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Episode 60.0: A dark secret (the real one)

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Episode 60.0: A dark secret (the real one)

"Welcome to your office on Comics. My name is Sarah Century. You might know me as being the host of this podcast. And also we have another host safely how long you might know me as being the other host. And today we're so pumped. We have a special guest who is an integral part of this podcast that you don't always get to hear on the air. But like literally there'd be no podcast without her take a happy to be here Kate Warner. Tell us about yourself. Oh, hi, I am an electronic musician in Denver have a solo project called Mirror fairs and abandoned said I'm in called church fire. I like to Tinker with electronic circuits and I like to plug things hub. Things you want to do more of it, right? Yeah. So I'm in the process of learning all sorts of things like the embedding audio from an HDMI signal and crash machines. I don't know. It's all a bunch of nerdy bulshit. But yeah, you know how to get a new job when the entertainment industry kind of fell apart after covered. So trying to do the thing off which is like wild I have a brother-in-law who is a musician and it's just like by career. We'll see what happens next. Yeah, but so also can't you edit our podcast boss is not the only podcast you are in the works of editing. I don't know how to talk about a project that's not announced yet. There's a project was not announced yet, but he'll also but you're looking for additional package that didn't work. So if people wanted to be in touch or follow you or learn more, what would they what would they do? Yeah. Well if anyone was interested in talking to me about audio editing their podcast birth I believe in original music content or casual sort of consultation work about microphones or had to do remote Zoom recordings or getting high quality of life things from guess with non Pro setups, which is basically all of us. You could hit me up at sound b s for you at gmail.com like sound bullshit for you at gmail.com off was sound bees for me to sound bitches for you. Oh, yeah. It is on benches for you. Yeah, actually but spool. That's what's nice about them both not something that anyone wants to have an invoice whatever it's better than when I was working at an admissions office for college and some of them was like off my email is dick hole 69. We were like, oh God. What you doing? This is a college. Yeah. You should probably get a new email address. It's not that hard. Yeah, it's true. Not difficult. Yeah, so kids the best there was a very long time when I was very guilty of recording with my mic on 100. So I was screaming on every podcast. But you didn't know did you listener as Kate fix that I'm not saying you should do that and have Kate fix it. I don't think eight enjoyed fixing it but can't did fix it. So you want like a skilled badass queer person to help you with your sound Kate's words that we plan to have a promo. No, we did not plan to have a promo but it just naturally flows from a little work though. It all came together so off we are going to be talking about six horror films today that we all watched and we each chose to events will talk about why we chose them and what our goal was we wanted to talk about films that maybe you're not going to hear seven podcasts cover this week. So we each chose to movies for the other two folks on the call to watch dog. And we chose one from like before 2010 and one for after 2010. So something older or something newer and we wanted to choose movies that were like a little bit less known not likely to be covered on all of your your podcast episodes that are spooky for spooky season. I am a child and will always be a child. So here I am but first I would actually like to hear about from each of you should start with Cate. What was the first horror film you ever saw and like what context did you see it in? Oh, yeah the first horror movie. I saw was the Twilight Zone movie. It has a bunch of little stories in it. And the one that stuck with me the most was the one where the guy is on the airplane and he can see the gremlin on the man some single the wing. Yeah, it's terrifying weird creature and it's showing the plane apart and everyone keeps trying to tell him to calm down the senior. Remember the most is when the creature goes up to the window and he's shaking his index finger at the guy John Lithgow. Oh, yep. It is John Lithgow. He's good at acting up antic and sweaty that's on his resume. I'm pretty sure I don't know if this was ever confirmed but I feel like one of my brother's teenage friends terrorized me after we watched that by going outside of my window, but my older siblings had advised me all the time. So I don't know if I imagined it of course of course. Oh my gosh, there's was the do you remember what the first horror film? You saw was? Yeah. I was thinking about how normal it was for other kids to terrorize their siblings and how it was friends with these two sisters that I would watch a lot of horror films with this is just a sudden memory that I had but I was friends with these two sisters that would always watch horror films with me, but they would like fight all of the time and just like slam doors and like always be yelling. So it would be like eating popcorn while these two sisters constantly tried to kill each other kind of we'll cuz you had all Brothers right? I had little brothers so I had a brother Or younger than me, I was mean to one of my brothers. I think one of our I was like before 10, you know as a young kid, but mostly I just had to take care of them sucks. But yeah, the first horror film that I watched I believe was it's hard for me to even remember which one it would have been because of how many that I watched but I remember a few that stuck out like I remember a hell-raiser sometimes in retrospect, but I mostly remember whenever I was a kid I was really into this movie called waxwork, which is just this film where all of these teenagers that are assholes. Basically, I guess like that's the only way to describe teenagers in horror right is like they're all just a bunch of assholes. There's five of them their ass home, but like this guy invites them to his Wax Museum and they're just like get out of here. Where are you talking about? And then this one girls like I want to go because she's the rebel, whatever. Yep. He's like I'm into waxworks suddenly. And so they all go for some reason even though one of the guys there is her eggs. He's really mad at her but she died first or whatnot know because of you as far as who is a werewolf. He goes to the werewolf waxwork and then he becomes a werewolf and then he gets and little did you say, you know, that's a real way where does work through fax museums? Oh my God, the the rebel girl goes to the sexy vampire place and she kind of goes Buffy the Vampire Slayer for like ten minutes of the movie and then she's just like dang it. He's just too sexy and so she like kisses the obvious vampire and then it's just like dang then she shows up later as a vampire to terrorize her ex, which is pretty cool. There's a bunch of other stuff in it where it's like good girl who shows up wearing pistol and like long skirts. She dead. Spanked by the Marquis De Sade and then whipped and stuff and so it's just really weird that I watched. That one was like five years old. I'm like, this is probably the first time I'm seeing on television and it is teaching me a lot. I remember that movie and you know, I was addicted I just kept coming back again. And again, whatever the hell that movie was, but also just how leg spooky it was I was like this is weird and then I was really excited about watching more horror films. I love that song is actually our second time recording this episode because Loops a doodle the file got deleted. It was my so last time I'm pretty sure I said my first movie was leprechaun or fax it which it could be but I'm going to go with Gremlins. I think Gremlins, which the horror comedy but is very much my style. I'm a horror comedy buff. I just thought To be terrified and giggle about it. I know last week in the episode with with staff. I talked about like when they're throwing shoes the leprechaun. I don't know there's something about getting to have a giggle in the middle of stealing really afraid that does it for me. I mean, I can't imagine most people haven't seen Gremlins, but you know like so it's a Mogwai if you feed it after midnight something bad will happen something bad happens and like these little cute little babies become. Oh no, very gross like lizard skin not so cute little babies, but I will always remember there's like a moment with the Gremlins are going just like Hog Wild in a toy store KB Toys and I do not know why but one of them has lipstick is smoking a cigarette and I think is like the situation is sort of made to make her seem like she's either, you know slutty or a sex worker or like it's not clear but like she's a bad girl. She's the only girl yep. Yeah, like Smurfette of the Gremlins the evil Gremlins and for some reason I just love her. I think she's absolutely Divine. I think she is like hilarious and I want to see her full movie. So I remember there wasn't a lot of what I would call parenting in my household as a child. So I was just watching these movies. I think Sarah last have you talked about having a somnia like wandering out and like just watching a movie and that was totally me as a kid too or like my mom would be up late and would listen to the TV really loud because children aren't people and I would like to talk about and like watch it over her like shoulder from behind the couch kind of thing. Yeah. So Grim line, so real positive memories of Gremlins. I remember being like I would like to get a gremlin is that somehow a problem because I will put water on it immediately and then I'll have so many Gremlins, which is I think why my parents were like thank God Gremlins are real bred Pub. It's a nice movie because it's similar in between. It's not too scary for a kid, but it's scary enough for kids. Yeah, I think quite frightened. Yeah, there's a part someone about the staircase that can. Oh my God, there's so many scenes in that movie where I'm like no, thanks, but then like Dick Miller stars in it, and he has that Lakes goofy smile and stuff and you're just like on and you see the Gizmo and you're like kind of like gizmos so cute. This is actually a very disturbing movie and then also Gremlins 2 is extremely disturbing because that's when they all go through the transformation. Oh my God, you're right about his Gremlins 2. Yeah. I just remember being very like it was like if he walks turned dark and that was a good a good thing for me to be thinking about. Yeah. I like these cute things that have a dark underbelly, I don't know. I love Gremlins. I want to watch it right now. Now that I've talked about I'm still remember that scene where the mom battles that wage. The kitchen and cuz that was so scary. It was disgusting too. Like I always used to think about what the worst smell that it could exist would be and it was a gremlin that you bring in the microwave good special effects some good puppetry and animatronics. Yes. Yes, and also like it's a you know, like a Christmas enough movie. It's a little bit Christmasy. It's one of those Christmas Halloween movies. Yes. Yes where you're like I get to watch this from the beginning of October through the end of December as many times. I worked and my parents are like Oh wait, we're not there so we don't care, LOL. Okay. So let's talk about these movies. We were going to do them in chronological order of when they release. So the first film which is the one I chose or one of the ones I chose which is called cat people. It is from 1942 and I chose it because Mom I don't watch that many horror movies and all the movies that I will hate to suggest. I was like that's too popular. That's two recent. That's two misogynistic. That's two and then I had like a little bit of a break down. Then I found cat people and was like this looks like exactly what I want to watch and oh my God, I fucking love it is so so good. The base premise is there's this full rental. She Slovenian, I believe woman who she's so sexy in this guy likes her so much and he's like, you're gonna be my wife then like cut to be married and she's like, well, I can't kiss you were have sex with you because if I do does he turn into the cat does she turn the cat if she kisses she would turn into a cat and okay, she would eat him to a panther. Oh, yeah, she would turn to a panther like eat his face. And so she's like I can kiss you my love and he's like, oh, it's okay. I always love you. And then essentially it's like JK. I'm in love with this lady. I work with and cat ladies like I'm not here for that. I think I am. Your face and that's why I liked it. I think it feels super Queer as a movie her relationship to be in this marriage is like, I don't know like I read someone writing about it that I feel like a very buy movies a game like sure I I buy that but I also feel like she just wants to like hook up with the lady that works with the guy that she's married to. Oh, yeah, like that's who she fell off around, you know? Yeah. It's very high on her career is this movie you don't rate very high. It is definitely that right because the whole time she has I would say a passing interest in her husband and you're supposed to believe that she is driven to murderous rage because she just has to have this guy that she is not logged into and it's kind of like the whole time she is more clinging to heteronormativity than she is clinging. Yes the person which we see as gay people we prob We dated somebody who did that a lot or we have been that person ourselves because there are moments where you are just like yeah, I guess she kind of likes her husband, but then every time the woman shows up her heart starts racing and she follows her there's all of these scenes of her kind of stalking this girl in a way walking down the street after her birth stuff and you're like, yeah, I mean she's doing it because she's going to turn into a cat and she kind of wants to eat this lady but isn't the whole eating the person thing supposed to be the analogy for sex in this movies. So I'm eating refers to a lot of things. Yeah. So like I feel like I just feel like home. She did want to eat her. I feel like it was a bit of a slow burn for services like wait a minute. Sorry, so you're right off, but yes, you're right anything about like a dark secrets. Especially like in the forties, especially with women in this way feels at least analogous to queerness like the dark secret, but especially with like a cat, you know, and and the way that it happens because her sexuality gets ignited what I liked, who is it feels like At first the film saying like, oh her sexuality is what's dangerous and then it's like oh her jealousy is what's dangerous and I don't know if it's intentional or if I'm just like reading into it, you know from 2020, but it feels like at the end there's this Twist of like, oh, no, she's not the danger the danger is created around her and she's reacting to it particularly with the psychiatrist. Right? Who's like the super creepy character and like her husband's BFF and what the fuck why is he always telling her husband? Like what happened in their therapy sessions? Oh my God. Yeah. That's a little bit Breezy. Yeah. I feel like people are pretty weird to Iraq. In this I don't always love how people are to her. I'm just like hmm. That's weird. Cuz even the guy she's just sitting minding her own business drawing and stuff in this guy's just like what's up ever thought about getting married to somebody being since I mean, no queers that when you're in a relationship that you don't want to be in and you just bring all of your time and the other room drawing. Yeah, and then there's a scene when she's eating dinner with everyone and I don't know if they had just been engaged or just been married but that woman in the restaurant and oh, yeah, so she walks by she's like are you my sister and she violently talks all this shit about her. That's not even internalized homophobia. It's like what you had to do to defend yourself against the possibility of rumors. You might be gay maybe especially in nineteen forty-two right? Like especially when you're already using at them. Isn't therapist might just be like, hey, I think you should get a whole bunch of shock therapy and or Bata me. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean he even threatens that right like he's like we have to commit her. Well, okay. So looks like what I like about the movie is there's this way of the movie tries to present itself as like you should identify with a straight guy who would like. Oh, no his wife won't put out. Obviously. He's gotta find a new wife, but you can't like I mean, I feel no empathy for that character as compared to Irene like Sarah was saying if anything she feels like she's overwhelmed and I'm like, hey, I feel just overwhelmed like 24/7 is very relatable could be like, I don't really feel that much for like, I don't know. He's he's an architect and he's like my God and that part when he's talking to his coworker and he's like, wow, I've never experienced sadness. Oh my God. I have no empathy for you zero. He's like, I don't know what this weird feeling is you made it to like 28 phone number. Something without ever feeling sadness what like you didn't have like a pet that died or something like we might call that actually a disorder wage the people who are sick in this are not the people were being told are sick. Well, all right. So there's a sequel to this movie. Of course. I'm just like of course... Yeah, it's called curse of the cat people which completely deviates from this film. It has the couple like the couple who get married in this have a daughter and the daughter is weird basically like she's just odd and doesn't fit in and she envisions. I renamed kind of this queer Fairy Godmother in a way. She just shows up in his like you're doing great. Everything's awesome. You're great. You're so creative and amazing. I'll be your friend forever and like all this stuff and them The whole time she's like yeah somebody who's cool and different like me and it's not really a horror film. It's just a really nice Christmas movie for the most part but then there's an undercurrent of murder you off somewhere in there. So it's kind of one but that movie is great. And it's one of the best Christmas movies other than Gremlins because if she has this, yeah this weird undercurrent of just like it's spooky and it's weird to be a kid and watching that movie is a queer person of course is just like yeah, this is a little girl who had all of these social faux Paws and stuff like that and the whole time she's just like I just think about how cool it would be to have this friend who's this cool lady and all of that and that's like what her interest is in the movie with her parents are just like you're weird and it's because you have somehow inherited Iranians bullshit and it's just like but she's just a little kid and I don't know. It's a really weird. Because eventually she does kind of end up conforming a little bit but then they kind of loosened up on her too. So it's more like a compromise movie and it's kind of like, I don't know that Girls Club out in like twenty years and this movie is going to be sad about it. I think and you were telling us that both films are directed by Val lewton, right? No not directed. They're produced juice. So he took a producer for the most part and he had a contract at RKO and was interested in kind of making interesting horror films on the smallest budget possible because that's what they were into a long time. So he made a bunch of movies, but he made all of these really interesting creative decisions with them. So that's why Val lewton is still somebody that people really remember because they're just like, yeah, he did like cat people curse of the cat people. He was at least the person who like brainstormed it right and he did like, I walked with a zombie and all kinds of interesting horror films of that time. And the way that he does certain things in his films like he'll produce some of them some of them he directs. Yeah shock to new he did a CAT people as a directing. Okay? Yeah. So the cat people is where the origin of the Luton jump comes from. So the Looting jump or the Luton bus. Basically is that scene where she's walking after the girl Irene is like Walkin After The Other Woman, I forget what her character's name is and it just keeps showing their feet and then the girl just keeps getting more and more scared and the tension is building and building and building and then there's a bus that stops and opens the door. So you hear that like and so like you get a jump scare, but it's not real like it's something that's completely ordinary that just breaks in and it's just like, oh, haha, you were being scared for nothing. So like now jump-scares are used all over the place, but they don't have the same build for the most part that this one did this one has this kind of fast paced through the entire thing and home. Really compelling to watch because at the time this was, you know, the early days of cinematic horror, so you didn't have anything like that similar maybe to some extent but this was like the first time you really saw like a scare in a movie when it has such a like a specific impact, right? You know, the music prize is the footsteps are rising you got attention attention attention attention attention attention. Oh, oh wait, it's not what you thought it was worth waiting for a hissing cat and he was like the hiss of the door right? I got chills thinking about it so good. Yeah, it's super effective. It is really good. That's why Val lewton is one of the best-known producer office. He wrote A Few scripts didn't direct anything but he was a producer who was very Hands-On and his production. So yeah, it's interesting though is to watch movies like this and be like, oh, yeah. Also this was kind of like the beginning of them doing this stuff. Right? Like it was kind of the beginning of film, you know, like they were just working out horror films. It's so fun to watch all things like that because it there's a weird way viewing it from the log. Twenty-twenty where it's like, oh, I've seen that a million times and it's like oh my God, but that's the first time it happened. Like that's so cool. And it has such a nice effect in the film because it's like the field is very weird too. There's lots of things that I don't understand. Why is the Statue so important? Why do we just going to flash back to this weird King who apparently killed a bunch of the cat people or dog killed him? I don't know not clear why he was she trying basically a tattoo when he first comes a picture like he's all what are you drawing? She's like, oh, it's nothing. You can't see how much and then you should see the piece of paper fly away and it's like tiger with a panther occurred basically just be as soon as you design and then you were saying Kate like how how random it is when the other woman will off or is in the locker room and she gets scared. Oh, yeah. It doesn't make sense to me if you were in a locker room slash swimming pool and you were really scared for your defense job. Bizim to be to just jump into the pool instead of getting out of it. And like she's the one who's first believes in the cat people. So this point she believes that she can turn into a book a big big cats like water wait, it's usually I think that scene is so compelling that it's so cute one of those things where it's like I'm going to go ahead and page my logic off so that I can know exactly cuz you're like, oh the reflections off the water and then weird light and how everything is kind of Shifting really makes the whole thing work. Also by the way down in that time there was you know World War Two propaganda films that were like, oh you should hit the water with your oars if there's sharks around because their cowardly and that'll scare them off. So I would say that we don't know like what her working knowledge at that point, whatever and for sure I thought that she was like, well I know about big cats like with the Fukushima big cats may be nothing wrong. Exactly because it's also black and white. Like I think the other thing you get from that swimming pool is like you were saying Kate looks so much reflected light. So it ends up being a very bright scene with like a dark shadow coming across so that contrast is super cool. I mean the whole thing comes together super well and it's kind of like like any tapestry if you pull on the individual string enough, like it'll fall apart. I would also probably want to mention that they didn't really have any, you know animal treatment laws in place about the history. So you might get a little turned off by, you know, these giant cats and cages and a couple of scenes with domestic cats and little bird and Incredibly small cages, but you know, nothing is ever like strictly home. Yeah bird on screen. So it's not horrible. It's certainly a mark of the time. Yeah, like you're watching it and you're a distinctly aware of what year it is. I just like the track. Of the animals. Yeah, the fact that they would even be like three giant cats right next to each other and just these bars with no terrain or natural elements and then that environment. Oh, it's horrible circus style. Oh totally exactly but like it's also permanently where their house. Yeah, it's that's that's pretty sad. I also didn't go to zoos in 1942. So that Thursday will be what it looks like. I have no idea, you know, I did other things in nineteen forty-two but not not the zoo's. Yeah your past life, you know, I was Irene Woody and yeah. Yeah, I just saw a cat people was super duper fun. I really really enjoyed it. But our next film which came out about twenty one years later exactly twenty one years later in nineteen sixty-three is the haunting and that was chosen by you Sarah. Yeah. So the haunting 1963, this is one of my very favorite movies of all time. I love this movie. I watch this movie for em, Ago for the first time I think it was TCM at like 1:00 in the morning or something and I was watching it and I was just like oh my God, who is this person with like a black turtle neck and long necklace who shows up like being very clearly gay. I were just remember everything about this movie from as far back. I was watching like older films pretty much and it's based on the Shirley Jackson story. Of course The Haunting of Hill House, which has been adapted multiple times and this time was the first film adaptation and the way that they shoot it. It's like the story of Eleanor Theo orange food and other dude who doesn't matter wage semaine. It's really know a couple guys know Theo blah blah blah and blah blah blah. So, dr. Mark way is actually like the one game And I think the other dude is named Luke. It's so dr. Mark way is there because he wants to prove that Spirits exist in the whole time. He I mean he opens the film just like theorizing and being like black ghosts, huh? My hobby blah blah blah. Yeah. It's so funny his voice overs like a bunch of people died fortunate for me. I know he's so weird wage, and he so he of course continues to toy with people's lives because he has money and that's what the rich do so he compels you and Eleanor Eleanor who is somebody who had a psychic thing whenever she was young and then Theo who is psychic lesbian at her finest and wears black turtlenecks off and definitely as gay and then Luke is just somebody who wants to turn it into like a bar or something. Like what are you how are you going to turn this into a bar? It's in the middle of nowhere. But it's a giant house they go to it to prove that ghosts exist and they're just like haha. This will never happen except for Theo. Who knows what's up? And then everybody of course has to be like, oh God this house is haunted as hell. So it is extremely haunted it turns out and that is what this movie is about. It is so good. It's the thing that movie it's a movie it is a few wage is really like the spotlight on Theo. Well, there's just like this moment and I remember when we when we did the recording the first time we all three talked about it, but it was like she was talking about like her of artists like life and and we like to do this and we like to do that and we do all these things and now is like, oh are you married and there's like a beep and then he'll know and you see Eleanor clock what that means and she goes on, you know, like I'm sure you'll talk about it more Sarah like she calls her a natural she tries to distance herself from her but wage. Really this moment of like oh, oh, oh where you can see like no really likes Theo and doesn't like what that might mean about her. You know? Yeah, that's super clear. Oh my God. This is like one of the queerest movies so queer. Yeah, and there's such an interesting character. So in the original script, there was a scene at the beginning of the movie. That was all she is having an argument and the door slams. Right and you don't see the other person but the door slams and then she walks into the bathroom and in the mirror and lipstick is written. I hate you suck like a guy wouldn't do that. Right? So and that's kind of like what they were going to start the old story out on whenever they were cuz they give know like this long introduction and with the owner just shows up, right so they cut Theo's intro she had her own intro as well. Just like nelda's because in the book she has a huge role. She is like half of the book basically it's all through now sized dog. The same but or like actually no sorry. It's not through Nails eyes. I feel like it's through like the house as I as pretty much. Oh, yeah, that would make sense. I mean in the movie. It's like it's definitely nail as the main first-person perspective. We get her internal dialogue, but the human Nails screen time is way higher than the dudes even when they do in the house the first night that known they were scared by the pounding on the door, then they tell the guys what happened in the guise, of course don't believe them. They were all we were all chasing a ghost dog in the yard, but I don't see happen. Yeah, I don't see that but you see the whole scene with Melanie you so we believe them but the guys don't and then there's another scene where Doctor Mark away is in this room and no walks in and he's like, oh this heart was just playing itself and we didn't see that either. But I guess we believed him because he's the Paranormal expert right? Yeah, and then like the whole time is just like well, we just thought it was more important to focus on t o and now maybe Holding hands and it's great. Yeah, which is great. It is really interesting. I love this movie so much. There's like a few things. I think of one of them being Theo whenever she first appears she's so interesting like the way that she enters the room. She is like just immediately so captivating and you can understand, you know, Nell is kind of put off by her a little bit even from the beginning kind of see the sense of fear of Theo a little bit and talks about how like Brave Theo is and there's just kind of a sense of Envy of her and I think that that's something that we all felt. I felt envious of the oh, oh my God. Oh my God, you were everything but then I also think of yeah the hand-holding scene where she's just like that's not my hand or whatever. That was really interesting. I think of the scene where Eleanor calls her unnatural because that is one of the most impactful scenes. I would say the most impactful scene of the movie Home. Cuz it is all about fears lack of response to Eleanor. Just kind of openly being homophobic to her like she calls video unnatural and Theo just like off at her like oh shit, like you did that. You just said that yeah feel visually is based on lesbians like yeah, that's like what life looked like, yeah, you knew walked into like a lesbian born nineteen sixty-three. Everyone's like oh, hey, what's up? Yeah. No, she's dressed like fashionably but like minimalist am trying to like avoid people that's another thing that I think of is like whenever Luke puts his hands on her shoulders and she's just like don't touch me like that is one of my favorite scenes in a movie ever. That is so good. Because when do you ever get to see a woman do that in a movie? Just be like know keep your goddamn distance. Yeah, don't see it. Especially for the young cat character like Russ Tamblyn plays George. I'm just young attractive party. Dude. I can do whatever I want. I know I hate it so much deal would be put in the same position of any other female character of just being like sneaky, you know, like whatever. Oh now he's won my heart like either to laugh it off or to reciprocate right? And in this situation Theo in no uncertain terms is just like back off do not touch me and I think that that is like just inspirational like there's just so many things about it and they're all things that Mark her as a queer character. There's not received any denying it when in a like to you you had mentioned that sometimes people see that that relationship is negative or predatory. Yeah the actor that plays Theo Claire bathroom had called her character predatory. Like I don't know how much she thought about that before she said it or you know, whatever I'll forgive, you know, whatever because I see and people are from a dog. Area and stuff like that. So the fact that Theo is establishing what her boundaries are and actually openly flirting with Eleanor. I guess at that time probably could have been seen as predatory since gay people were all his predatory sure exactly. They're either predators are victims, right? Yeah, but what I what I see is like a different like an alternative that right like Theo is protective. Yo puts herself between now and the knocking she's like, well, I guess you can't sleep alone. I'll come sleep in your bed with you. And yes, there's a flirtatiousness to that. Yes, there's a way she's sort of chiding her homophobia, but there's also like a real desire to take care of now and to see that Nell is not doing well, right but where the men are old. Yeah, but when the men do decide to do something like go get rid of her. Yeah, and they're all very patronizing their own. We should have sent you home forever ago, and I was like, maybe you need to not get so wrapped up in the house. Stop letting the house work its magic on you. Like we just need to send you away. She understands the situation. She understands that now doesn't have anywhere else to go and she warns her about being in love with Mark way, right? Yeah. Well, she's like don't fucking do that and now is like, you know denial and I think there's so much going on for now, right? Like she's literally being haunted and she's like the house is talking to her and she's got some queer shit going on faith and she's got some weird. I'm going to say daddy issues going on with the professor. It would seem SE if I just described a film like that but it's not it's tight and it's it's taught like emotionally taught to where where there's just there's so much happening and it it's just so fucking good. I loved the 1999 haunting cuz that's what the first one. I thought and upon re-watched. You know, I have some qualms but I think the places where it's strongest actually come from this adaptation and obviously the source work the original work as well. There's just a job. Much emotional depth and Real mind-bending Horror, right? Like there's a point where you pointed this out last time where one of the doors swells wage. Yeah. That was one of the more visual practical effects in the movie other than just extreme camera angles and everything. They were taken to create this sense of you were talking about this month. So how everything is show with this weird disorienting camera angle and all of the mirrors and claustrophobia, right? Like they're manufacturing claustrophobia in this enormous house. They do all of these bizarre, you know overhead shots and all kinds of things that wouldn't really work. And then of course in the end they have that staircase right in the staircase is literally almost its own effects like wage. They are looking down on the staircase like you're seeing the staircase shake and stuff like that. Like they do a lot with basically nothing. It's pretty interesting to see. Yeah, totally. It's so good. It's so so good job. Have to take like for actors and then like a fifth one who comes in towards the end put him in a a fucking huge house and film him Wow way to go. What a great movie. I loved it so much. I was so glad you picked up Sarah. It is my favorite Theo is my wife and or my ideal self. I was going to say yeah when she comes on screen your kind of like Sarah. What are you getting off? She does kind of look like me, right? Like I almost like manifested it or something whenever I was twelve and like Goofy and awkward and a little punk rocker like this is where I'm going to be turtleneck wearing lesbian who was kind of based on Susan Sontag just like all of the lesbians of that time literary lesbians who are a little bit predatory are literally all based on season. So I'm stuck like shows up wearing a turtleneck sweater and his intellectual. So people are like watch over her. She's not only a psychic but husband him. Yeah, she's a lesbian and smart. Yeah, it's like all of these things that terrify. Oh and has clear boundaries. Yep. It's it's wow. I think the haunting I'm going to watch it. So many more times. I think one of my like every year around Halloween watches because it's so compelling and it's so scary especially for a film made in nineteen sixty-three. Like it's really quite terrifying and I love that. I'm just so excited. Unfortunately, we have to move on. So the next movie we have the discuss is life force. We're going to jump twenty two years into the future of this one is from nineteen eighty-five and Kate. This one was your choice tell us about it. Yeah. This is a sci-fi horror movie, which is regrettably probably my favorite genre of horror just because there's so many bad sci-fi horror movies, but they tend to be a lot of fun. This one included. It's directed by Tobe Hooper who's known for like Poltergeist and text log. Chainsaw Massacre, it's based on a book called space vampires and that's literally just what it's about. Oh my God, I did not catch that. It was based on a book that is called space vampires. I love that song you I was going to love this movie from the very beginning because these astronauts are investigating the spaceship that's like in the orbit of Halley's Comet and when they go out and they're the spacewalk to go off Westgate the hatch that opens on the side of the spaceship looks exactly like a coffin and I was like, okay that's a little heavy-handed but I'm fucking in any way these astronauts end up taking some of these vampires back to Earth and they're just are wreaking havoc. There's two guy vampires in one head lady vampire head lady vampire lady vampire. Yes mam hbic. She is so nude. Yes, she's naked for the first thirty minutes of the movie at least fucking shit up and electrocuting people vampires dog. Blood they suck life force which manifests in this blue electricity from people's faces to people's business. So the lady vampire sex life force other people's faces. You shall we pray before a kiss or right after a kiss and the dude vampires. You don't really see a lot of them actually turning people or anything because their main job is to funnel energy from all the young people into the hbic. So the main character also regrettable is this tool named Carlson name is perfect in the most hilarious way because she has all these epic moments in the movie but his fucking name is Carlson. So he has to be I see at one point near the end of the movie She's Like the web of Destiny carries your blood and soul back to the Genesis chapter of my life form Carlson. Maybe he should be something more epic but he's pretty much a joke. He's basically the thrall of this vampire in, Georgia. She's in his dream. She's fucking him in his dreams. He can see inside of her mine and she can see inside of his mind. There's an amazing camera with Patrick Stewart because she can switch bodies and she jumps into the patronage and spotting so fun. There's this whole beautiful moment where she's talking in her voice and Patrick Stewart's voice of the same time. My band made actually ended up sampling that part in the church for a song called wage is if you want to check it out. I love this movie mainly because it's just completely over-the-top when people are scared. They scream bloody murder when there's something bad happening like all hell is breaking loose. There's some gore there's tons of chaos and overreacting in general and overacting. I thought it was super fun. I like the Patrick Stewart house. I also threw the whole thing was like, oh maybe he just like looked tell a different in nineteen eighty-five cuz that was when he was young even though literally Star Trek next Generation started like five years. Later or something. Not even right? Not even 3 years later. Yeah. Oh my God. So I was just like, oh, I'm sure he'll look completely different. So the entire movie I was assuming he'd have a much bigger role. So I kept being like is that off to me when you forget that because he is alopecia. He was like the fucking same for forever. Yeah, right. So and then whenever you finally shows up and is just like I love you, cuz there's this very close almost kiss moment. It's between very cross and Patrick Stewart. Yeah possessed but still and also that guy named Carlos and his like losing his shit through this entire movie. It's fucking funny to me because he's a good actor for that role. He's screaming his ass home of his girlfriends are over delivered. It's super dramatic. It's so over-the-top. I love this film so much. I feel like I don't mind that it's ambition outpaced. It's reach wage. Like it's just it's kind of cute. It's okay. You got scientists in space meeting vampires who look like that people but also look like sexy women cool, then they come back to earth and they feed off of people and people died. Oh, no, they don't they turn into zombies that are that are also vampires bombies. I don't know it's hilarious and then it's like there's all these like religious symbology. Right? Like they're in a church when the mothership like is pulling the life force out of like the planet there is not a piece of this page just can't be Delight. You know, it's just why does she need to be so naked all the time? I mean, I don't have a problem with it. She has the most perfect. It's probably ever seen like great but the like frame it works perfectly, right but these her breasts, right? Right, right, okay. For her in the beginning of this movie. It's like escaping from this research facility being completely naked around. All these military guards is actually pretty good defense for a little while, but not totally good point. You know, they don't even know what they're looking at. Of course. She is psychic powers and she can make people drawn to her just you can select their life force out. She doesn't need the physical effect. I mean they were wage into the plot there like Hello. Can we get away with having a naked woman and this movie right? So so funny it's so hard time. Yeah, they're all freaking out about it. And I'm just like, why don't you just go for it? I mean like Carlson is all like oh it was the hardest thing to pull myself away and I'm just like, why did you yeah, you don't seem like you're having a very good time. Maybe just go for it. That's one of those times whenever I realized that I would be like the most likely person decide with like the anti-christ or she had totally and at the end of the movie. I mean, I won't give it away or whatever but wage. Kind of just like just get in doesn't do it to the Rapture. That would be being a fucking vampire for eternity. I think of it a shot. Why not? Yeah well, but she says it like you've always been one of us wage, which is very much not clear to me like the the vampires come here at some point and they like turn some people far back like right. I see three years ago, like whoever it takes at least, because it's right cuz it's right on the trail of at least comment, you know, I love it. They clearly just blew out their budget on special effects and big like whoa crowd shots and to make up is like hit and miss the acting's hit and miss I mean Patrick Stewart. You're like, dude, do you just kill every finger in and he's like, yes, I am in October and you're like, oh right. Good point. I mean right Sir Patrick Stewart great point. I loved all of it. I felt like it was super queer in a very weird way where like there's a point where she's like, I look dead. To your mind and I found an image you found news using I became her and then I'm like so cuz they're actually like they're humanoid bats is kind of what they actually look like and there's just like something about like, I love that idea like a he doesn't recognize her. I remember seeing this woman like how long it's just so funny that I love anything that's like manipulating men for being misogynists, right? And that's part of it and he is yeah terrible. He's awful. He says like a bunch of things where I'm like, wow, I don't know what kind of frame of mind I'd have to be in to say something like that. Totally. I don't know if I ever could and then there's like the the brief period where she's not with him where she's like kind of out in England fucking people up which is like, yeah pretty pretty funny like cuz it's all like they kind of posit it like she's seducing them, but being like a person who's been around men's club. You're like, I don't think that's the full story here. But like I'm kind of for her like killing this Farm guy for basically no reason cuz I believe she has a great reason wage. I mean and they're treating it like a virus that's spreading around everyone's panicking even the prime minister's what got infected but one of the funniest things about this movie is just how many inconsistencies there are with how you become a vampire how you die how you starve if you explode if you just get all desiccated and turn into dust it's obvious to me and the harder they tried to explain it and the more time they spend trying to explain it the worse it gets so funny or yeah, like you turn back into your original body and then explode wage, it's good times. You know, it is it is weird. You're like, it's a sci-fi movie. Wait. And is this a contagion movie? No. Wait, is this like a zombie movie? We know is this vampire movie and dead. Kind of like that like how like that it's like fuck it will do it all like that's going to make for a weird movie and it did my God what the fuc was even that scene in the helicopter where Patrick Stewart off the other guy. We're getting their blood sucked out of their face and turns into this bloody glove and the middle of the helicopter. Oh my God, right hbic forms out of this bloody game Google for like half a second and then screams and turns into blood again. And then she said when it's like, well, I can't you've done this before it's like, oh she was waiting for the Hypno drugs to wear off. Okay. Sure. Sure. Sure. It's just for every weird thing and so fun. I'm so glad we watched it. Okay. So the next movie also chosen by Kate and we're going to jump super far in the future is troll hunter from 2010. Yeah. I picked this movie because my friend Tom Murphy recommended it and it pretty much always have to trust his recommendations cuz he watches log To read all sorts of interesting things. And you said it was fun. So I gave it a shot and feel like going to ask people about this movie. They haven't watched it but it's basically just a cute not quite horror movie but each accounts found-footage type of movie set in Norway about this team of three young journalists who are trying to pin down who they think is a bear poacher and they end up finding out that he's a troll Hunter and he's this grumpy kind of just sick of his job working for the government killing trolls guy. He lives in his trailer and they catch these trolls on office and they're super excited and realize that it's a real thing. I just think it's cute in this movie how they maintain the whole time that it's found footage even to the end of it. Actually. I think my partner was half watching it in the beginning and working at the same time and she saw a little bit of it and was like is this real and like just I just smiled at her like watching mean like wage 70 Story troll. No, I don't I don't think the seventies storage girl was real. She said that she's like, okay so fun. I really liked this movie. I just loved the characters around really good. I loved it. Like they they dig into like troll mythology a little bit. But you know, there's that tension of like some of the things I mean, these aren't things. I've been taught about Trolls but it seems pretty clear out of context of film did something really like about Norwegian troll Legends. Some of them are fairy tales and some of it's true and and that's like a fun tension. There's also like this whole through line of long Patrol Hunter works for the Norwegian government and so like his Handler shows up and does like, you know, press things where he's like, oh, this was clearly a bear, but he also get to see him like using a pause to make tracks kind of funny Dead bears. There are in it to be fair and then like the kids are so cheeky. They're like, why did this bear across his legs and like stuff like that? That's like really cute dog. And I don't know but it was actually legit scary to write like cuz there's times they get trapped by trolls and the trolls are like really violent. And yeah, there's some good attention and that scene where they smell blood of this Christian man, cuz they can smell you. If you have Christian blood through the troll stench that you have to scrub all over your body. But yeah, all of the exposure to the song on the troll Hunter uses these UV flash beams to kill and catch the trolls other little things. But yeah, they had the I think you were mentioning this last time sir. It's just impressive but they're able to deal with such a small budget in this movie big part of is the CGI, but it's fun. It's different from any of the movies we watched and totally totally it's very easy to watch unless you have wage some motion sickness stuff from hand held cameras, then you might just want to be careful. I actually usually get very sick to that. There were only two times. I had to close my eyes and it was good and they're being chased cuz the edge It gets like too too shaky, but for the most part it was really beautiful. And I mean Norway is gorgeous. You get so many beautiful vistas of like the fjords and even like the the tundra off when it essentially is is it environmentalism film? It's a film about like how humans, you know, one point he's telling the kids the story they they built this highway and because they wanted to build this highway through territory. He was sent in and had to kill them all and he just massacred them. And there's this the actors brilliant, you know, who plays the trollhunter there's so much emotion on his face. It reminds me of like a disgruntled all like cowboy in a way without like all the you know, fucked-up Parts someone who's been through so much and is so tired of like what Society is doing and that was super compact. I really I cried in this movie because you could just feel his pain when he has to like, you know kill them and it was like I thought really really compelling. Yeah, there's definitely some environmental Club. Themes and then also a commentary about how bureaucracy and government can be so stupid and there's that government guy that's trying to You Know cover it up with Bear Tracks and then it's like they're works at the power grid. Yes. It's like they they run the power lines and the kids are like, this is a circle you ever curious about that. You have fun with these electrical. Let's just run in a circle isn't that suspicious to you? And he's like, I do live the way that like these kids with their like fresh eyes, or like, excuse me, excuse me, excuse me at all. These like bureaucrats were like moon ever thought about it. I think that the kids getting excited about finding trolls is my favorite part and how it's kind of contrasted with like the jadedness of the guy who hunts trolls. I think that that was all really sure it's kind of a movie that's just easy to watch in a way and it has some commentary on it, but mostly it's just kind of neat looking like has a lot of funny parts like it's done in like, you know, mockumentary kind of way in a little in a little bit. But yeah, I liked it. I think it's a really good movie. Yeah and aside from it being very fun and beautiful to look at it's really fun to listen to if you're interested in sound design or sound effects. Some of the troll sounds are really cool. Like if you have a subwoofer get it out. Yeah, it's it's it's got a little bit of that that thing that makes drastic change it to me like a horror, right which is like the idea of something so huge approaching and you can hear it so much sooner than you can see it and it gets louder as it gets closer and it's like very very like 10 Santos. And scary there's a great moment when they're like in a safe house and they're like only one hour till sunlight and then boom boom when you're just like home and that's really really fun. Yeah, I would say like very adventurous very beautiful perfect amount of scary for me. I am a weenie. And yeah, I just I'm so glad you chose a kid. It was like a really really fun fun movie. So the next film which is when I chose is from 2016 and it's a girl with all the gifts which is an adaptation of a book. It is delightful. It's a zombie movie about sort of like the second generation of zombies. I think maybe their parents got turned and they were in utero or they got turned on. I don't know which one it was. Do you know, I think it was the former. It seemed like a bunch of women who were in the prenatal univ. She's totally right and the little zombie hybrids hate them. Without that's super gross. And yeah, so the they're like the zombie kids who like crave flesh and and are like super violent but are also like kids home. So the main character is this young black girl named Melanie the whole film something that you came she is, you know, very compliant. She wants them to like her she knows all of her captors name she tries to be really kind to them and like there's like this moment where they're rounding all the kids up for the experiments cuz they're literally being experimented on by Glenn Close which like what? Hey, what's up and Thursday? It's like so sad and you know, she's so compliant. She puts herself in the chair. They're going to lock her into and she says good morning. So and so good morning. So and so and she's so much trying to show she's a good person. Right? And so then outside of this compound the world's at least the world of England is just covered in fast mindless zombies they call hungary's and so the cell Generation of children are like they're Hope Oh, but what happens? Hm, I wonder operation gets overrun by hungary's and so then Melanie escapes long and she's like, you know going around like trying to figure out what to do and finds out she can control them. She can tell them what to do and the hungries will and so then it's just sort of her figuring out from there like a zombie Adventure movie but it has a really cool couple of twists one is like there's a blocker which I think we talked about a little bit last time. It's like deodorant. Yeah like a gel blocker app hides what human smell like, right Melanie could just walk through the zombies and they don't care about her but the humans have to have the Blocker on and that's like pretty cool and then called well, which is Glenn close's character. Like hey Melanie, you're going to have to die to save everyone because I can make a vaccine by killing you and dissected you and there's this amazing moment where Melanie's like, I don't think so. Maybe this is my future not yours. And it's like such a cool shift and such a neat power differential in the book. Melanie is white but it's it feels pretty important that she's black and move on because there's so much, you know, she's a young black girl and the woman who wants to experiment on her as an older white lady and you know, there's so much power differential there and then it gets reversed in the end which I think is part of what I love about life, but had you both seen it before no. Yeah. I decided already. I watched it. I think not quite whenever it came out but a little bit later, of course this movie got really good reviews and stuff like that and it's a very interesting movie like it's fascinating the way that they kind of rethink zombies a little bit. This was definitely out in a time whenever I was like, I don't want to see another zombie anything ever back then it was just like dang I do actually that's how they get you every single time. There's always one every couple of years or you're like, I do still like to see these movies and girl with all the gifts. Was that definitely Jose. Credible there's so many great parts of it. And yeah, you like everybody, you know, even the people who are clinging to this old take on Humanity. I just think that there's something interesting about how this movie kind of takes a step back and shows the hubris of the world. It's just kind of like maybe humans aren't the best thing that we can have, you know, maybe it's just changing and you have to accept that and it's just kind of interesting because it's being like, hey these people need to let go and sometimes I think that that's one of our hardest things to do as people is to like light go off but that's what this movie is about. So there's still a sympathy even for a character like Glenn Close because in any other movie she would be the hero right because she's just I'm fighting. Yes. I'm like going to the page to fight it but she's not considering that there might just be a completely alternate solution, which is letting go of humans basically totally and how she's all in fact. Did with blood sepsis seem to me like a pretty good metaphor for kind of the whole story humanity is sick and you're going to fight this to the end, but it's going to kill you so toxic. Yeah. Yep, that's good. Oh, that's good cake. That's such a great read on it. I love talking to both of you about this movie cuz you always pick out like things I hadn't thought about but that's such a good point that like her blood is turning against her and it's like that's how long and how toxic humans are. I also live like the the sport hour at the end. Yeah. I love how the zombie infection is a fungal infection and how it manifests and grows because how interesting mushrooms and fungus are cuz you're just like, oh dang that's like actually probably the most profitable of all of the how to become the zombie kind of things cuz it's always thought acid rain on your grave or whatever. It used to be somebody summoned you you know, and like all of that kind of stuff but I think in this one, it's just like no spores are weird wage. How they work. Yeah, it's cool. Cuz there's like the next phase of the contagion is the sport hour. And and in that moment when Melanie's like it's not your world anymore. It's mine. She lets the spores out unless like such a cool moment there. I really like it too because there's like, you know one human survives and it's a human that like is one who is like, I don't think we should kill them and let them build right one of the most symbolic things about that right is that Melanie doesn't throw out what humans have built that's kind of the thing is is that she really is taking it just to the wrong place, but she's also like teach me what you know, and then I'll take it, you know into this new world. Yes, and I think that that's interesting because a lot of times it would be like absolutely New World Order we have his bought a whole new Society or something like that and it's just like no not here. Melanie is happy to learn from a human, you know, like somebody who's not infected or I mean, I guess like we'd have to even think of a different thought. For it then infected. Right? Right, and it's not like this perfect world is perfect solution. They're zombie movies where you know, it ends with the zombies winning and it's bed and in this movie, it's like at the end off the zombies don't have everything figured out. Yeah, they're taking stuff from this other history, but they're starting from square one and you know taking this movie from like a civilization standpoint. It's maybe not, you know humans but an alternative to capitalism or something that's plaguing Society if we did figure out another system, it would take a lot of work and start from a very booked up Elementary Place shit fucking good read on it too. It's totally I think it could totally be an analog for moving away from capitalism. Right like the move and Caldwell's mind right, looks at Melanie and he's a commodity that and sees a you know, like a resource not in like a collaborative or good sense, but like in a extractive sense, right and and that's cool is the lab metaphorical. Literal and how important is that? Yeah. That's fucking good. Oh, did you find movie? Okay one more Super excellent movie to discuss. I am so freaking excited say you chose from 2019 knives and skin. Yeah. So there's a bunch of good horror films lately. So whenever it was, oh, let's do one new and one. It's just like well, I've watched all of the horror films from all of the era's including the nineteen hundreds and stuff. So I had a pretty wide berth to choose from and thought I chose this one specifically just because I think that it was underrated. I think not that many people saw it. It's kind of just a fascinating movie. I think it does some things that I've seen a couple of other people try to do and kind of fail at and or it fills in these kind of blinks that are left. So I had just got finished reading dead girls and it is about basically it has wage. Of essays in it, but the first essay is this writer talking about how our society commodifies dead women, you know sexy dead woman. It's like you fell in love with the beautiful girl like that kind of thing and it's disturbing and weird and she goes off like she definitely goes into shows like Twin Peaks and True Detective and all of that, you know, and kind of just died sex. What we have is going in our modern media landscape where a lot of times it's all this story about these pardoned male detectives and all of the costs that their job has on them, but then there's literally just a dead woman laying on a table like the whole time and they're having these like, you know other conversations and stuff and we're seeing their character Dynamics. So it is an issue, right and the way that knives skin does its storyline I think is what was really interesting to me because you have this Trope that's really upsetting and then in this I felt like they used the idea of a young girl. Dying like a teen girl dying as the motivating incident, right? Like that's what this entire movie is about is all of these people reeling from that. So in a lot of ways that set up exactly like Twin Peaks, but there is zero sexualisation of this kid and it's just a completely different story just by humanizing her and removing that and being like, yeah, she was a kid. She was a jerk sometimes and like not everybody liked her, you know, she was also just a kid and we all watched him through the entire movie who actually killed her because you're introduced to this giant cast of characters and the thing is is that nobody killed her. So there's no aggressor in this movie. Like all of this stuff is a reaction to what happened, but people don't know what happened and then when they find out it's anti-climactic in a way, right? Oh, yeah, they just have to sit with that and that's kind of how death actually is and life like a lot of times is maybe there's people who are tangential to you that die. Are you down? Whatever and you hear about it in these ways and you get bits and pieces and that's like part of what works and something like Twin Peaks or True Detective right is like you have these pieces to a puzzle and you're being walked through it odd, but in life, nobody walks you through it. And so that's why I think knives and skin was so interesting because it was a lot of people who are at a loss and who coped really badly and like couldn't figure it out and had all of these conflicting feelings about it. And then also primarily it's about people who move on from that right like by the end of it. So that's why I thought this was an important movie Just because it kind of does something that we haven't seen a lot and that's kind of the deal lately is like you'll see a lot of times women directing horror films and you just get a different world out of that because of all the shit off like gets left out in a story that's written and directed by men. You know, usually they're like, yeah that made that detective really sad, but you know in Twin Peaks, what's happening with our mom her mom is like not even a perfect. In the movie she shows up every now and again just to be in hysterics and everybody's like, oh, well, she is just hysterical all the time. So that's what she does and it's just like she lost her kid and that's that's horrible and you actually see the mom character be flushed out here. So yeah the moms having a trauma response and is unwell, but we actually get to see her be a character in in her grief is so it feels so real and that's what I a lot of what you're saying Sarah and then I that I found so compelling in this piece is it it felt like so much more real the teen girls that I knew that the team that I was those people could be dick heads, but they also were like really good people who tried really hard to figure out how to live in in the society and I think it's a really compelling piece to in that there is a bad guy, but he's just like a bad person. He's not a murderer. We don't see him do anything. Holy violent small violence as I would say but like he gets his comeuppance and it's sympathizes with him to the extent but like also doesn't ever let him off the hook the whole. Yeah hold him to account. Like that's one of the primary plotline resolves in the movie is him being kind of publicly humiliated. Yeah, and he's not remotely the main factor which is nice which is nice and he's reeling to like you watch this and you're like, oh my God this poor guy and everybody thinks that he killed her, you know, like that's terrifying but then that doesn't change the fact that he treats his girlfriend like garbage, you know, and also his girlfriend is lesbian and dates really cool other girl, which is nice and doesn't usually happen in these movies. Yeah their romances so sweet it feels like they keep it a secret less because they're afraid of what people think of them but them because they found something precious they want to protect and that feels really hopeful in a very dead. Away, I also will think about them passing trinkets to each other in the bathroom stall that are all like they've been hiding them in their vulvas, you know, and like they're all covered and pussy juice and like handing it over the edge of the stall. I will think about that for the rest of my life. That's one of the coolest choices to make as a filmmaker because there's no words. It's just them engaging in this intimacy and there's a way their fingers touch and you know, it evokes sex. It's meant to evoke sax. I believe tell me if you disagree y'all. Oh sure. It's beautiful. Jensy. We're story that being either gen-xers are millennials when we were as young as these characters are were supposed to be there's no way would have seen a story like this. I loved it. All the main characters are like young women and then like the one really sad mom and then you know, there's like some other side stories about parents acting I never made this connection before but it's like kind of about parents action like teenagers and teenagers actually like paranoid. And that that feels very real for a lot of people's experiences too. Yeah. It's a very kind of quiet Powerful movie. There's no jump-scares kind of like how grief should be almost dull and there's an emptiness you don't even really know how to react kind of like that one Buffy the Vampire Slayer episode through the body purposefully quiet and but this movie is a very rich at the same time. There's really beautiful colors is really beautiful music and all of a sudden. Oh my God the haunted. Yeah, there's all these different characters and relationships going in with the parents. There's a mine Dead who is kind of on the edge of the story. There's the mom that's all into puffy glitter paint and making all these cards and they're all very quirky and kind of add to the feeling that you get into in Peaks where all the townspeople have their own Side Stories and make it really unique weird and interesting. But without all the misogynistic both should and you'd plus a lot of other cool. Yeah, I I think There's there's a two elements to me that make it distinctly horror one is there's a lot of different parts where we cut to from like a scene that's very rich and filled with life to the dead girl's body and it's her body moving as if it's being pulled by a string or moving as if like the center of her body muscles work, but not her Limbs and just like sitting up against a tree off she like, you know died over there and and I think that makes it really haunting and eerie and it part of what I see them doing there is is their function of weird fiction where it's like what's real. We want to make you question what's real and and is her body actually moving and if so, what does that mean that to me is just like those are some of my favorite scenes and I know that's hello in a way but there's so beautiful and they're so creepy. Yeah, they're compelling you're like what's going on? And is she actually moving around it questions the whole reality of the story and the second element is is what you said K. It's these octopus No remixes of eighties songs that are just taunting and Sarah. I know you really loved them but was it that you were drawn to about them? Oh, I think just that like it's such a odd way to as you know, somebody who really study his filmmaking. There's not that many precedence has for a film that just stops the movie to like watch teen girls doing choir acapella song. You know, I'm seeing those really kind of sometimes honestly, like just beautiful Odes to like any number of things I guess and it's kind of how you see them cope, but then they use it to help her mom cope too. So like there's that scene where they're singing and she you know is actually sitting there and listening to them while they do it and that kind of shows were doing in her. Yeah that scene earlier whenever they're singing and she's like go ahead and sing this and they're like we just did. Yeah. She was like, wow, I didn't even hear that, you know, and then like at the time And she does hear them like she says and like listens to them and I think that that's interesting. So it's very interesting the way that they use it in this film, you know is just giving this quiet screen time, I guess to like young women is always something that you just don't see that often in movies and it's kind of the stuff that like made me think of a little bit The Virgin Suicides and movies like that where you're just like wow, this is a kind of a horror film and then also it's kind of just this really beautiful Art House movie, but then it's one where it's like, I think people will like study this movie going forward and be like, this was something that was doing stuff that other people didn't really deal with this time. Yeah, it's different for sure. I think it might be our lips are sealed. They're singing and caliber. They do sing that song. Yeah, I hear that right? There's a few. Yeah. They sing Girls Just Want to Have Fun and melt with you. You can't remember the other ones. Oh my God, I swear talk about every fucking song. It's just so good. There's so many interesting reversals right of things that we're used to in this movie. And I think that it has such a powerful overall effect. And it's like it's the kind of our movie that will make you cry and then kind of give you a hug and I loved that. I also love like there's a long sequence of the end. That is the dead girl walking away from the camera and and like sort of waving back at her mom. Yeah, like walking backwards, right? Yeah. It's just really it may be super emotional. I think it's like a real incredible film. I mean, these are all super fun films. There's like a reason to watch all of them and they all do very different things from one another. I think it's fun that we chose such a an Eclectic slate of films for this conversation just sort of organically. But yeah, I mean, I think there are parallels in different ones, but I think all of them offer interesting and or hilarious takes on what horror can do. I don't know. Single of these back-to-back-to-back over a couple of days really made me remember like sometimes when I think of horror, I only think of slashers right only think of demonic horror, which I actually really liked moniker cuz I think it's you know, usually really funny but you know slash is not always for me and I think that these are all films that are Testament to the fact that like horror can do really incredible things and I think she said in last week's episode what I love about horror is is that it it is a function of weird fiction or vice versa weird fiction can often be horror whatever but it's it's because it makes us it makes us take something we take for granted and look at it differently. You know, we take the dead girl Trope for granted and knives and skin makes us look at it differently. We take straightness for granted and Cat people basis. Look at a different way. We we take like a buyer's even for granted their life force makes us look at life. We spend 75% of the actual movie explaining the inner workings of how you become a vampire and it only ends up making it more confusing off. Which is fine, but no I you know, I think all of them have like they just for me at least help me think about what really is horror and it's so much bigger than than what I usually assume that so I found this was like also very encouraging and my partner watched all of these with me except for cat people and was like, wow, I really like horror question mark she just like not something they thought they'd be saying before that happened. So I don't know also just like thank you both for choosing such fucking cool movies. It's been really fun to to think about them and and not even just watching all of them was just such a fun experience even weird ass fucking life force like for all of it's weird twists and turns the whole time. I was like, this is amazing. I'm having the time of my life. I'm really glad I watched cat pee or I don't know that I would have caught that one unless somebody literally put it on the list. I probably would have gotten around to watching the girl with all the gifts at some point and I'd seen the other ones but watching all six of them over again to go back. Was a really random nice collection of movies. Yeah exactly. I'm super fucking grateful to be on the Pod with y'all editing. This is like the funnest thing I do every week but trade-off is now I have to listen to my voice for a while. So you have a great voice. So like what's not to like nobody likes listening their own voice. I mean unless you're special me. I've just become entirely numb to it from having to transcribe my fucking like recordings. Yeah. I liked all of these movies as well. Yeah, you seen a lot of them before though, right? Oh God. Oh my God. Yeah, I watch movies all of the time. And also I got a huge jump start on watching horror films and life. So I just watched so many of them. I think I had seen all of these actually no, I hadn't seen Kate's movies. I didn't see a troll hunter or life force. So I still got some new one and I also enjoyed both of those because both of them while I am Watching them. I was like, no other person would probably help me to watch this. I think that was exactly what I thought when I was watching was like these are Kate Bush is a way for us cuz they put it on one time with my band and we had no idea what we were getting into. So it was a pleasant surprise. It is a surprise, you know, like you don't know like all kinds of junctures like wage and they're like, you know what it was a lot of what the fuck moments in this movie worship. Well, that's that's that's also the fun of War Two in my mind but keep thank you so much for taking time for us and coming on this side of the mic. It is all so fun to talk with you about different fun things. We talked about Star Trek and and 2019 I think and now we've talked about this delightful horror movies. And if you want to find you on social media wage, they find you probably Instagram is the easiest way. My solo project is up there as mirror fairs and my band is up. There is church fire 666 lub You can also search for both of those projects dumping camp and listen to slash bike music. Yes by kids music. It's so good. Thank you both so much for this. This has been absolutely delightful. I love this podcast and I love horror movies. Thank you. This was so much fun. Yeah. 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Episode 60.0: A dark secret

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Episode 60.0: A dark secret

"Welcome to you bitches on comics my name is Sarah Century. You might know me as being the host of this podcast and also we have another host. Or? You might know me as being the other. Today we're so pumped. We have a special guest who is an integral part of this podcast that you don't always get to here on the air, but literally, there'd be no podcast without her AK. A A.. B. Here Kate Warner, tell us about yourself. Oh Hi I am an electronic musician in Denver. I have a solo project called Mirror Affairs Independent. Cold Church fire I like to tinker with electronic circuits and I like to plug things into things. You WanNa do more of it, right? Yes. I'm in the process of learning all sorts of things like D. embedding audio from HD signal and. Restaurent machines it's all a bunch of nerdy bullshit. But yeah, you know had to get a new job when the entertainment industry kind of fell apart after covid. So trying to do the thing yeah, which is like wild I have a brother-in-law who's a musician and it's just like by career we'll see what happens next. Yeah. But so also kate you edit our podcast. Ours is not the only podcast you are in the works of editing I don't know how to talk about a project that's not announced. Project was not announced at the also other. But you're looking for additional podcast editing work. So if people wanted to be in touch your follow you or learn more, what would they what they do? Yeah. Well, if anyone was interested in talking to me about audio editing their podcast or pus believe in original music content or casual sort of consultation work about microphones or to. Remote Zoom recordings or getting high quality recordings from guests with non-pro setups, which is basically Elvis. You could hit me up ed sound bs for you. Edgy Dot com like sound bullshit for you. Jim Dot Com. Oh I was sound be is for me to Bitches for you. Oh Yeah. It is on veges for you actually. spoke. That's what's Nice. and. They're both not something that anyone wants to have an invoice. Whatever it's better than the when I was working at an admissions office for college and someone was like. My email is dick whole sixty nine. We were like. Doing, this is a college. You should probably get any address the hard. Yeah. It's truly not difficult Yeah. So Kate's the best. There was a very long time when I was very guilty of recording with my mic on one hundred. So I was screaming on every podcast, but you didn't know did you listener as Kate fixed that I'm not saying you should do that and have Capex it I don't think kate enjoyed fixing it can't did fix it. So you unlike skilled bass queer person to help you. With your sound case where it's at, we plan to have a promo. No, we did not plan to have a Promo Code. It just naturally flows from at all worked out it all came together. So we are going to be talking about six horror films today that we all watched and we each chose two of them's we'll talk about why we chose them and what our goal was. We wanted to talk about films that maybe you're not gonNA hear seven podcasts covered this week. So we each chose to movies for the other two folks on the call to watch, and we chose one from before two, thousand, Ten, one for after twenty ten of something older something newer, and we wanted to choose movies that were a little bit less known not likely to be covered on all of your your podcast episodes that are. First booth he sees an I am child and will always be a child. So here I am but I I would actually like to hear about from each of you. Let's start with k what was the first horror film you ever saw and like? What context did you see it in? The first term via saw was the twilight zone movie. It has a bunch of little short stories in it and the one that stuck with me. The most was the one where the guy is on the airplane and he can see the Gremlin. Man Some legal the wing. Yeah like this terrifying weird creature and it's showing the plane apart and everyone keeps trying to tell him to calm down senior remember the most when the creature goes up to the window shaking index finger at the guy? John Lithgow Oh. Yeah. It is. John. Lithgow is good at acting panicking sweaty. That's on his resume. Pretty sure. I don't know if this was ever confirmed but I feel like one of my brothers teenage friends terrorized me after we watched that by going outside of my window. But my older siblings showed by me all the time. So I don't know if I imagined it. Of course of course. Oh my gosh there. What was the? Do you remember what the fish worship Yeah. I was thinking about how normal it was for other kids to terrorize their siblings and how I was friends with these two sisters that I would watch A. Lot of horror films with this is just a sudden memory that I had but I was friends with these two sisters that would always watch horror films with me but they would like fight all live the time and just lay eggs slam door, and like always be yelling soy would-be like eating popcorn while these two sisters constantly tried to kill each other kind of. Hit all brothers right I had little brothers. So I had others that were younger than me. I was mean to one of my brothers I think whenever I was like before ten you know as a young kid but mostly I. Just had to take care of them. Sucks. But Yeah the first we're from that I watched I believe was it's hard for me to even remember which one it would have been because of how many that I watched but I remember a few that stuck out like I remember hellraiser sometimes in retrospect but I mostly remember whenever I was a kid I was really into this movie called Waxwork which. Is this film wear all of these teenagers that are assholes basically I guess like that's the only way to describe teenagers in horror. Right is like they're all just a bunch of assholes. There's five of them are astles but like this guy invites them to his wax museum and they're just a get outta here, where are you talking about and then this one girl's like, I, want to go because she's the rebel whatever. So she's Lake I'm into waxwork suddenly, and so they all go for some reason even though one of the guys there her ex he's really mad at her she died i. Know because I do is i. who is aware wolf he goes to the Werewolf Waxwork and then he becomes aware will and then he gets. Did you know that the real way where work relax museums? Oh, my God, the the rebel girl goes to the sexy vampire place and she kinda goes buffy the vampire slayer for like ten minutes of the movie, and then she is just like Dang it. He's just too sexy and so she like this is the obvious vampire. And then his just like Dang. Then she shows up later as vampire to terrorize our acts, which is pretty cool. There's a bunch of stuff in it where it's the girl who shows up wearing tests still. Like long skirts she gets spanked by the. Side and then whipped and stuff, and so it's just really weird that I watched that one was like five years old I'm like this is probably the I I've seen I've seen on television and it is teaching me a lot and I remember that movie and you know I was addicted I just kept coming back again and again. To whatever the hell that movie was, but also just how leg spooky it was i. was like this is weird and then I was really excited about watching more horror films and love that. So this is actually our second time recording this episode because whoops doodle the file got the lead. So last time I'm pretty sure I said my first movie was Leprechaun or it which it could be. I'M GONNA go with Gremlins I think gremlins which horror comedy but is very much my style I'm a horror comedy buff I I love to be terrified and giggle about it I last week in the episode with with Steph, I talked about lake they're throwing shoes the Leprechaun I don't know there's something about getting to have a giggle in the middle of feeling really afraid that does it for me I mean I can't imagine most people haven't seen gremlins. It's MOG WHY? If you feel it after midnight something bad will happen. Something bad happens and like these little cute little babies become all no very gross like lizard skin not so cute little babies but I will always remember. There's like a moment where the gremlins are going just like hog wild in a toy store kb toys. And I do not know why but one of them has lipstick is smoking a cigarette and I think is like the situation is sort of made to make her seem leg. She's either you know slutty or a sex worker or like it's not clear but like she's a bad girl, she's the only girl. Like smurfit of the families, the Gremlins, and for some reason I just love her I. Think She's absolutely divine. I think she is like whole areas and I want to see her movie. So I remember it wasn't a lot of what I would call parenting in my household as a child. So I was just watching these movies I think Sarah last have. You talked about having insomnia like wandering out and like just watching a movie and that was totally me as a kid to or like my mom would be up late and would listen to the TV really loud because children aren't people and I would like creep out and like watch it over her shoulder from behind the couch kind of thing. Yeah. So gremlins. Real Positive Memories of Gremlins. I remember being like I would like to get a Gremlin, is that somehow a problem because I will put water on it immediately And then I'll have so many gremlins which I think why parents were like thank God gremlins aren't real. Press. It's a nice movie because it's somewhere in between. It's not too scary for a kid, but it's scary enough raking. Quite frightened. Yeah. There's parts what about the staircase that. God there's so many scenes in that movie where I'm like, no thanks but then like Dick, Miller stars in it and he has that legs goofy smile and seven year just like on and then you see mon you're like Gives me so This is actually very disturbing movie, and then also Gremlins to is extremely disturbing. When they all go through the transformation Oh, my God you're right that his gremlins to yeah I, just remember being very lake. It was like if e walks turn dark and that was a good a good thing for me to be thinking about. Like. These cute things. It have a dark underbelly. I don't know a love Gremlins. I WanNa Watch right now now that I've talked about. I'm still remember that seeing where the mom battles, that one in the kitchen. That was so scary. It was disgusting to like I always used to think about what the worst smell that could exist would be, and it was a Gremlin that you blow up in the microwave. A Good special effects some good puppetry in animatronic. Is Yes and also like it's a you know like a Christmas enough movie it's a little bit Christmas. It's one of those Christmas Halloween movies yes. Yes. Where you're like I to watch this from the beginning of October the end of December as many times as I want and my parents like Oh wait we're not there. So we don't Care Elo. Okay. Let's talk about these movies. We were going to do them in chronological order of when they were released. So the first film which is the one I chose or one of the ones I chose is called cap people. It is from nineteen, forty two and I chose it because I own watch that many horror movies and all the movies that I wanted to suggest I was like that's to popular. That's two recent that's to misogynistic that's two, and then I had the glue. Meltdown then I found cat people and was like this looks like exactly what i WanNa Watch and Oh my God I fucking love it. It is so so good. The basic premise is there's this full foreign she Slovenian I believe woman who she's so sexist in this guy lectures so much and that you're GonNa be my wife then like cut to their married and she's like well, I can't kiss you or have sex with you because if I do does he turn into the cat does she turn to the cat if she kisses Cat. She would eat them panther. Oh. Yes. You would turn panther like eat his face and so she's like a cannot kiss you my love and he's like, oh it's okay. I'll always love you and then essentially is when jk I'm in love with this lady I work with and cat ladies like. I'm not here for that I think I'll eat your face and that's why I liked it. I think if feels super. Queer as a movie her relationship to be in this marriage like I don't know like I read someone writing about it that eighteen very by movie and I'm like I buy that but I also feel like she just wants to hook up with the lady that works with the guy that she's married to. Yeah like that's who she follows her around. Yes, very high on queers this movie. Very high It is definitely that right because the whole time I'm she has I would say a passing interest in her husband and you're supposed to believe that she is driven to murder Isr age because she just has to have this guy that she is not that into and it's kind of like the whole time she is clinging to normative than she is clinging jazz the person which we see as gay people we've probably dated somebody who did that a lot or we have been that person ourselves because there are moments where. You are just like, yeah, I guess she kind of likes her husband but then every time the woman shows up her heart starts racing and she follows her there's all of these scenes of her kind of stocking this girl in a way walking down the after her and stuff and you're like, yeah, I mean, she's doing it because she's going to turn into a cat and she kind of wants to eat this lady but isn't the whole eating the person thinks supposed to be the analogy in this movies also eating refers to a lot of things. Yeah. So like I feel like. I just feel like. She did want to eat her I feel like. Like wait a minute. Sorry three right off there. But yes. You're right. Anything about like a dark secret especially like in the forties especially the women this way feels at least analogous to queasiness like the dark secret. But especially with like a cat, you know and the way that it happens because her sexuality gets ignited, what I like to use it feels like at first the film saying like Ooh her sexuality, what's dangerous and then it's like, ooh her. Jealousy is what's dangerous in I don't know if it's intentional or if I'm reading into from twenty twenty, but it feels like at the end, there's this twist of like, oh no, she's not the danger. The danger is created around her and she's reacting to it particularly with the psychiatrist, right? WHO's like the super creepy character and like her husband's bff and what the fuck why is he always telling you? Like what happened in their therapy sessions Oh my God? Yeah that's a little bit breach e Yeah I think people are pretty weird to Irene and this I don't always love how people are to her. I'm just like M- that's weird. 'cause even guys she's just sitting minding her own business drying and stuff, and this guy is just like what's up ever thought about getting married to somebody you. Mean how queers that when you're in a Hetero relationship that you don't want to be in and you spend all of your time in the other room drawing. And then there's a scene when she's eating dinner with everyone and I know of they had just been engaged or just been married but that woman is in the restaurant in soil. She walked by she's like. Are You my sister in? She violently talks all this shit about her doesn't not even internalized homophobia that's like what you had to do to defend yourself against. The possibility rumors, you might be maybe especially in nineteen, forty two. Like especially when you're already seeing a therapist and therapists might just be like, Hey, i. think you should get a whole bunch of shock therapy and. Adamy yeah. Yeah. Well, and even threatens that Ray Liotta he's like we have to commit her well. Okay. So like what I like about movie is there's this way the movie tries to present itself as like you should identify with a straight guy who like, oh, his wife won't put out obviously he's gotta find a new life, but you can't like I mean I feel no empathy for that character as compared to Irene Lee Serra say if anything she feels like she's overwhelmed and I'm like, Hey, I feel fucking overwhelmed like twenty four seven. Is. Very. relatable. Compared to like I, don't really feel much. I don't know he's an architect. My God and not part when he's talking to his coworker needs like never experienced sadness May. Think. Oh my God I have no empathy for you zero. He's like I don't know what this weird feeling is. You. Made it to like twenty eight or something without ever feeling sadness why? Like you didn't have like a pet that died or something lake Might call that actually a disorder think the people who are sick in this are not the people were being told her sick. Well. All right. So there's a sequel to this movie, of course. I'm just like, of course, dot dot dot Vince called curse of the cat people which completely deviates from this film. It has the couple like the couple who get married in this have a daughter and the daughter is we are basically like she's just odd doesn't fit in and she envisions Irene as kind of this queer fairy godmother in a way she just shows up in his like you're doing great. Everything's awesome. You're great. You're so creative and amazing. I'll be your friend forever and like all this stuff and then the whole time she's like, yes, somebody who's school in different like me and it's not really a horror film. It's just a really Nice Christmas movie for the most part. But then there's an undercurrent of murder. Somewhere in there. So it's kind of wine by that movie is great and it's one of the best Christmas movies other than gremlins inside. Because it has this. Yeah. This weird undercurrent of just like it's spooky and it's weird to be a kid and watching that movie as a queer person of course is just like, yeah, this is a little girl who has all of these Social Faux Pas and stuff like that and the whole time she's just like I just think about how cool it would be to have this friend who's this cool eighty all of that, and that's like what her interest is in the movie and then her parents are just like you're weird and it's because you have somehow inherent. Hirings Bullshit and it's just lake but she's just a little kid and I, don't know it's a really weird movie because eventually she does end up conforming a little bit but then they kind of loosen up on her too. So it's more like a compromise movie and it's kind of like I don't know the girls can come out and twenty years. On this movie is going to be sad about it I think and you were telling us that both films are directed by. Val. Luton right. No not directed their produced. So he was a producer for the most part and he had a contract Arcadio and was interested in kind of making interesting horror films on the smallest budget possible because that's what they were into at the time. So he made a bunch of movies, but he made all of these really interesting creative decisions with them. So that's why Val Luton is still somebody that people really remember because they're just like, yeah he's the guy who did like cat people curse of the cat people he was at least the person who brainstormed at Ray and he did. Like I walked with a Zombie and all kinds of interesting horror films of that time and the way that he does certain things in his films like he'll produce some of them, some of them, Durex Yeah Jacques to now he did a cat people as a directing. Okay. Yeah. So the cat people is where the origin of the Luton jump comes from. So the Luton jump or the Luton bus basically is that scene where she's walking after the girl Irene is like walking after the other woman I forget what her character's name is and it just keeps. Showing their fee, and then the girl just keeps getting more and more scared and the tension is building and building and building, and then there's a bus that stops and opens the door. So you hear that like she and so like you get a jump scare, but it's not real like it's something that's completely ordinary that just brakes and is just like, Oh, you're being scared for nothing. So Lake now jump scares are used all over the place, but they don't have the same build for the most part that this one did this one has this kind? Of fast paced through the entire thing and it's really compelling to watch. Because at the time this was you know the early days of cinematic cores. So you didn't have anything like that similar maybe to some extent by this was like the first time you really saw like a jump scare in a movie when it has such a like a specific impact into the music rises footsteps are rising tension tension traditions attention intention engine. Oh. Oh wait it's not what you thought. It was waiting for a hissing cat and there's like the hiss of the door, right? Got chills thinking about it so good yet super effective. It is really good. That's why Valentine is one of the best known producers. He wrote a few scripts didn't direct anything but he was a producer who was very hands on and his production. So yeah, it's interesting to watch movies like this and be like. Oh. Yeah. Also, this was kind of like the beginning of them doing this stuff, right? Like it was kind of the beginning of thumb. You know they were just working out horror films. It's so fun to watch old. There's a weird way viewing it from the Lens of twenty twenty where it's like, Oh, I've seen that a million times at it's like Oh my God but that's the first time it happened. That's so cool and it has such a nice effect in the film because it's like film is very weird to like. There's lots of things that I don't understand why is this statue? So important, why do we just get a flashback to this weird king who apparently killed a bunch the cat people or did they kill him? I don't know not clear. Why was she drying basically a ted to when he first comes a bigger? Is All what do you drawing? She's like nothing you can't see much and then you see the piece of paper fly away and it's like dagger with a panther could basically just be as soon. As. You were saying kate like how how random it is when the other woman will call her is in the in the locker room and she gets scared Oh. Yeah. It doesn't make sense to me if you in a locker room slash swimming pool and you're really scared for your defense mechanism to be to just jump into the pool. Instead of getting out of the and like she's the one who I believes in the cat people. So at this point, she believes that she can turn into A. Big. Big. Cats like water. It's understood actually I think scene is so compelling that it's it's one of those things where it's like I'm going to go ahead and shut my logic off of that I. Love. Because you're like, Oh, the reflections of the water in the weird light and how everything is kind of shifting really makes the whole scene work. Also by the way back in that time there was you know World War Two. Propaganda films that were like Oh, you should hit the water with your oars if there's sharks around because they're cowardly and that'll scare them. So I would say that we don't know like what her working knowledge at that point. For Sure I. Thought that too I was like well, I know about big cats like with the focus she had cats maybe nothing. Yeah exactly. Because it's also black and white like I think the other thing you get from that swimming pool is like you were saying Caitlyn reflected light. So it ends up being a very bright seen with like a dark shadow coming across that contrast is super cool I mean the whole thing comes together super well, and it's kind of like Tapestry. If you pull on the individuals string enough, it'll fall apart. I would also probably want to mention the they didn't really have any. You know animal treatment laws in place in. History. So. You might get a little enough by you know, these giant cats in cages and a couple of scenes with domestic cats and little bird and incredibly small cages but you know nothing is really strict harmed or. Hurt onscreen so's not horrible. It's certainly a mark of time. Like. You're watching your a distinctly aware of what year it is just like the treatment of the animals, right? Yeah. The fact that they would even be like three giant cats right next to each other and bars with no terrain owner natural elements and their environment awful circus style. Oh, totally exactly. But like it's also permanently worth their house it's that's that's pretty sad. Yeah. I also didn't go to zoos in nineteen, forty two so that very may well be what it looks like. Yet. I did other things in thousand, forty two but not not the sues your past life. You know. I. Was Irene Woody and yeah. Yeah. Yeah I just capital was super duper Fun I. Really Really enjoyed it. But our next film which came out about twenty one years later, exactly twenty one years later in nineteen sixty three is the haunting and that was chosen by use Sarah Yeah? So the haunting nineteen, sixty three, this is one of my very favorite movies of all time. Loved this movie I watch this movie forever ago for the first time I think it was tedium like one o'clock in the morning or something, and I was watching it and I was just like Oh my God who is this person with like a black turtleneck and long necklace who shows up? Like being very clearly gay I just remember everything about this movie from as far back as I was watching like older films pretty much and it's based on the Shirley Jackson Story. Of course, the hunting of Hill House which has been adapted multiple times, and this time was the first film adaptation and the way that they shoot it. It's like the story of Eleanor, the O. Orin, dude and other dude who doesn't matter A men, it's real. Just a couple of days. No Theo Blah Blah Blah and Blah Blah Blah so Talking Marquis is actually like the one guy's name and I think that they're dudas named Luke. Dr Mark Way is there because he wants to prove that spirits exist in the whole time. He I mean, he opens the film just like theorizing and being like. Most Ha-. My Hobby Blah. Blah. Blah. Yeah. It's so funny is voice overs like a bunch of people died fortunate for me I know he's so weird and he so he of course continues to toy with people's lives because he has money and that's what the rich do so. He can pals Yohan Eleanor Eleanor who is somebody who had a psychic thing whenever she was young and then Theo who is. Gloves be an utter finest and wears black turtlenecks and definitely is gay, and then Luke is just somebody who wants to turn it into like a bar or something. Like. What are you? How are you going to turn this into a bar? It's in the middle of nowhere, but it's a giant house they go to it to prove that goes exist and they're just like This will never happen except for Theo who knows what's up and then everybody of course has to be like Oh. God this House is haunted is Hal so it is extremely haunted at turns out and that is what this movie is about. It is so good it's the Theo movie it's worth the movie. Yeah, IT IS A. SPOTLIGHT ON THE AUTO There's just like this moment and I remember when we did the recording the first time we all talked about it, but it was like feo talking about her artists like. And and we like to do this and we like to do that and we do all these things and Nell is like Oh are you married and there's like a beat and then feels like no and you see eleanor clock with that means and she goes on you know I'm sure you'll talk about it more Sarah like she calls her natural she tries to distance herself from her but it's really this moment of like. Oh where you can see like Nel really likes the Oh and doesn't like what that might mean about her you know. Yeah it's Super Queer Oh. My God. This is like one of the queers movies. So Queer yeah, and the such an interesting character. So in the original script, there was a scene at the beginning of the movie that was the O. is having an argument and the door slams right and you don't see the other person but the door slams and then she walks into the bathroom and in the Mirror in lipstick it is written I hate you like a guy wouldn't do that right? And that's kind of like what they were going to start the story out on whenever they were because they give Nell like this long introduction and with the Oh she shows up right. So they cut theo's intro she had her own intro just like now does because in the book she has a huge role. She is like half of the book basically, it's all through nells is all the same. Or like actually no sorry it's not through. Now's is I feel like it's through the houses is pretty much. Oh. Yeah. That makes sense I mean in in the movie, it's like it's definitely nil as the main first person perspective her internal dialog but the knows screen time is way higher than the dudes even when they do in the House the first night that known theater scared by the pounding on the door and then they. Tell the guys what happened and the guys of course don't believe them. They were all we were out chasing a ghost dog in the yard but I don't see happen. Yeah I don't see that but you see the whole seamless Nolan Theo. So we believe them but the guys don't, and then there's another scene where Dr Mark Away is in this room and Noah walks in he's like, Oh, this harp was just playing itself and we didn't See that either but I guess we believe him because he's a paranormal expert or right yeah and then like the whole time, it's just like well, we just thought it was more important to focus on the Oh and now maybe holding hands in best she's yeah, which is Great. It is really interesting. I love this movie so much there's like a few things I think of one of them being theo whenever she first appears I think. She's so interesting. The way that she enters the room she is league just immediately. So captivating and you can understand you know Nell is kind of put off by her a little bit even from the beginning and you kind of see this sense of fear of Theo a little bit and talks about how ably brave Theo is, and there's just kind of a sense of envy of her and I think that that's something that we all felt. I felt envious of the. Oh. My God. Oh my God you're everything but then I also think of, yeah the hand holding scene where she's just like that's not my hand or whatever. That was really interesting. I. Think of the scene where your calls her unnatural because that is one of the most impactful scenes. I would say the most impactful scene of the movie because it is all about Theo's lack of response to eleanor just kind of openly being homophobic to her like she calls the Oh unnatural and Theo just like looks at her like Shit like you did that you just said that yeah. The Oh visually is based on lesbians. Yeah. That's like what lesbians looked like. Advani Oh walked into a lesbian bar nineteen, sixty three everyone's like, oh, Hey, what's up? Yeah no, she's dressed fashionably but like minimalist and she has to like avoid people. That's another thing that I think of is like whenever Luke puts his hands on her shoulders and she's just like don't touch me like that is one of my favorite scenes in a movie ever. That is so good because when do you ever get to see a woman do that in a movie just be like no Goddamn distance. Don't see it especially for the young kid character like Tamam. Plays just undestood young attractive party dude I can do it everyone I know I hate it so much theo would be put in the same position of any other female character of just being like You know like whatever Oh now he's one my heart like either to laugh it off or to reciprocate rain, and in this situation the oh in no uncertain terms is just back off do not touch me and I think that is like just inspirational like there's just so many things about it and they're all things that marker as character there's not really any denying a win and I like to. You had mentioned that sometimes people see that that relationship is negative or predatory. Yeah. The actor that plays Theo Claire Bloom had called her character predatory league. I don't know how much she thought about that before she said it or you know whatever I'll forgive you know whatever because I see and people are from a different era and stuff like that. So the fact that Theo is establishing what her boundaries are an actually openly flirting with eleanor I guess at that time probably could have been seen as predatory since gay people were all seen as predatory. Sure. Exactly. They're either predators victims, right? Yeah. But what I what I see is like a different an an alternative to that right like you is protective. Puts herself between Nell and the knocking cheese like welp against you can't sleep alone come sleep in your bed with you and yes, there's a flirtatiousness to that. Yes. There's a way she's sort of chiding her homophobia, but there's also a real desire to take care of Nell into see that Nell is not doing well, right where the. Yeah when the men do decide to do something that are get rid of her yeah and they're all very patronizing their own. Oh, we should have sent you home forever ago and Theo's leg maybe you need to not get. So wrapped up in the house, stop letting the House or gets magic on you. But doesn't like we just need to send you away. She understands the situations understands the no doesn't have anywhere else to go and she warns her about being in love with Mark Way, right? Yeah. where she's like don't fucking do that and Nell is like you know. Denial and I think there's so much going on for now Rachel. She's literally being haunted cheese like the house is talking to her and she's got some queer shit going on and she's got some weird I'm GonNa say Daddy issues going on with the professor it would seem messy if I just described a film like that but it's not it's tight and it's it's taught like emotionally taught to where there's just there's so much happening in it. It's just so fucking good I. Loved the One, thousand, nine, hundred, nine haunting because that's what the first one I saw and IPOD rewatch. I have some qualms but I, think places where its strongest actually come from this adaptation and obviously the source work original work as well. There's just so much emotional depth and real mind-bending horror, right? Like there's a point where in case you point this out last time we're one of the doors swells. Yeah. That was one of the more visual practical effects in the movie other than just extreme camera angles and everything they were taken to create this sense of you're talking about this Sarah Ho every scene show with this weird disorienting camera angle and all the mirrors in Claustrophobia, right like their manufacturing claustrophobia in this enormous house. So they do all of these bizarre overhead. Shots and all kinds of things that wouldn't really work, and then of course, in the end, they have that staircase right in the staircase is literally almost its own effects league. They are looking down on the staircase like you're seeing the staircase shake and stuff like that like they do a lot with basically nothing it's pretty interesting to see ya totally it's so good. It's so so good. Yeah. To take like four actors and then like a fifth one comes in towards the end, put him in a fucking huge house and filming while way to go what a great movie I loved so much I'm so glad you picked Sarah is my favorite Theo is my wife and Self. When she comes on screen, you're Kinda like Sarah. She does kind of look like me right like I almost like manifested or something whenever I was twelve goofy and awkward and Little Punk rocker this. To be the TURTLENECK wearing lesbian. WHO's kind of based on seasons on dog just like all of the lesbians of that time. Literary Lesbians who are a little bit predatory or literally all the. Asuncion. Shows up wearing a turtleneck sweater and his intellectual. So people are like. Much. Over here, she's not only a psychic but. lesbianism. Lesbian and smart. Yeah. All of these things that terrify Oh, an has clear boundaries Yup. It's it's I think the haunting I'm GonNa Watch it. So many more times things going to become one of my like every year round Halloween watches because it's so compelling and it's so scary especially for film made in Nineteen Sixty, three league. It's really quite terrifying in I love that I'm just so excited unfortunately, we have to move on. So the next movie we have the discuss is life force. We're GONNA jump twenty, two years into future. This one is from nineteen, eighty, five, and kate this. One was your choice tell us about? Yeah this is sci Fi horror movie, which is regrettably probably my favorite sub-genre of horror just because there's so many bad fi movies but they tend to a lot of fun. This one included and strict by Tobe Hooper who's known for cultist in Texas chainsaw massacre it's based on a book called Space Fanfares, and that's literally just what it's about Oh my God I did not catch that it was based on the book that is called Space Vampires I. Love I. Love. This movie from the very beginning because these astronauts are investigating this bishop that's like in the orbit of Haley's comet and when they go out on their spacewalk to go investigate the hatch that opens on the side of the spaceship looks exactly like a coffin and I was like, okay, that's a little heavy handed but I'm fucking in anyway these astronauts ended up taking some of these vampires back to Earth and start wreaking havoc. There's two Guy Vampires in one head lady vampire. Head Lady Van pedley vampire basically the H.. She is. So. Nude. Yes. She's naked for the first thirty minutes of the movie least fucking Shit up and electrocuting people vampires don't suck blood they suck life lifeforce which manifests in this blue electricity from people's faces to people. So The lady vampire sex life force out of people's faces usually right before his or ray after a kiss and the dude vampires you don't really see a lot of them actually turning people or anything because they're main job is to funnel energy from all the people into the HVAC. So the main character also regrettable is the tool named Carlson. Karma is. Perfect in the most hilarious way because he has these epoch moments in the movie, but his fucking name is Carlson. So the HVAC at one point near the end of the movie She's like the web of destiny carries your blood and soil back to the genesis of my life form Carlson. I've. Maybe he should be held something more epic, but he's pretty much. He's the basically the thrall of vampire and she's in his dream. She's fucking him in his dreams. He can see inside of her mind and she can see inside of his mind, there's amazing camping with Patrick Stewart because she can switch bodies and she jumps into Patrick Stewart's body. So Fun Hall beautiful moment where She's talking in her voice and. Patrick's device at the same time. My Band made actually ended up sampling that part in Church for Korn bodies. If you want to check it out as love this movie mainly because it's just completely over the top when people are scared, they scream bloody murder when there's something bad happening hike all hell is breaking loose. There's some goer there's tons of chaos and overreacting in general and overacting thought it was Super Fun. I like Patrick Stewart appearance I also through the whole thing was like, oh, maybe he just like looked Hella different in nineteen eighty five because that was when he was young even though literally Star Trek next her. started like five years later or something not even right. Oh. My God. So I was just like, Oh, I'm sure he'll look completely different. So through the entire movie I was assuming he'd have a much bigger role so I kept being like is that Patrick, Stewart. Will you forget that because he's a picture he looked at the fucking same forever right so and then whenever you finally shows up just like I, love you Carl's. His there's this very close almost kiss moment. It's between Mary crossing and Patrick. Syrian. Yeah. Possessed but. And also that Guy Carlson is like losing his shed through this. Movie, it's fucking funny to me because he's a good actor for that role, he's screaming as Asa. His lines are over delivered. It's super dramatic. It's so over the top, I love this film. Much I feel like I don't mind that it's ambition outpaced its reach. You know it it's it's Kinda. Cute. It's okay. You got scientists in-space Meeting Vampires who look like bat people but also look like sexy women. Cool. Then they come to Earth in they feed off of people and people die up. No they don't they turn into SOM- bees that are also vampires Vom vs. Larry, and then it's like there's all this religious symbolic gene Bradley they're in a church when the mothership like is pulling the life force out of the planet, there is not a piece of this just can't be delight. You know it's just why does she need to be so naked all the time I mean, I don't have problem with it. She has the most perfect. It's the probably ever seen like great. The like frame it works curbing, ripen these her breasts. Right right. Okay. Her. In the beginning of this movie, it's like escaping from this research facility being completely naked around all these military guards is actually pretty good defense for a little while here. Totally. They. Don't even know what they're looking at. Of course, she has psychic powers in she can make people drawn to her to see can select their life force out. She doesn't need the physical effect I mean they were it into the plot. There like how can we get away with having naked women in this movie rights still Tony it's so hold time. Yeah. They're all freaking out about it and I'm just like, why don't you just go for it? I mean Lincoln Carlson is all egg. Oh, it was the hardest thing to pull myself away and I'm just like why did you? You don't seem like you're having a very good time maybe just go for it and nine one of those times whenever I realize that I would be like the most likely person decide with like the Anti. Christ. We ended into the movie I mean that will give it away or whatever. But you can just like just giving doesn't due to the rapture that would be being a like vampire for eternity. A shot lie not yeah. Well, but she says like you've always been one of us, which is very much. Not Clear to me like the vampires come here at some point and they turn some people are back. Years ago like. Takes. Who is coming to come? Because it's in. The trill of release comment. You know I, love it. They clearly just blew out their budget special effects and big like. Shots into make up is like hit and miss the Acting Hidden Ms Patrick Stewart you're like, dude, do you just kill every thing you're in and he's like, yes, I am. And you're like, oh Could Point. I. Mean Sir Sir, Patrick Stewart great point I loved all of it. I felt it was super queer in a very weird way where like there's a point where she's like I looked into your mind and I found an image found news ought easing and I became her and then I'm like so 'cause they're actually like their humanoid bats as kind of what they actually look like and there's just like something about. Like I love that idea like a, he doesn't recognize her like. I remember seeing this woman. Be, like how it just so funny that I love. Manipulating men for being misogynist right and that's part because he is. Terrible he's awful. He says like a bunch of things where I'm like I don't know what kind of frame of mind I'd have to be into say something like that. Totally I don't know if I ever could win and there's like that that brief period where she's not with him where she's like out in England fucking people up, which is pretty pretty funny because it's all like they kind of positive like she's seducing them but being like a person who's been around managed, you're like that's the full story here but. I'm Kinda for her like killing this farm guy for basically no reason 'cause I believe she has a great reason. I mean in they're treating it like a virus that's spreading around everyone's panicking even the prime minister's would have got infected. But one of the funniest things about this movie is just how many inconsistencies there are with how you become a vampire how you die how you starve. If you explode if you just get all desiccated and turn into dust, it's hilarious to me and the harder they tried to explain it and the more time they spend trying to explain it the worse against. So funny or they yell at you turn back into your original body and then explode. It's good times. You know I it is it is weird. You're like, is this a sci Fi movie wait? No is this contagion movie. No wait is this like a Zombie movie vampire movie and I kinda like that I kinda like that it's like fuck it we'll do it all you're like that's GonNa make for a weird movie and it did God. What the fuck was even that scene in the helicopter where Patrick Stewart and the other guy were getting their blood sucked out of their face and turns into this bloody glove in the middle of the helicopter. All Night God, right? HVAC forms out of this bloody goo for like half a second and then screams and turns into blood again and that she said, and it's like well, why can't you've done this before? It's like, Oh, she was waiting for the Hypno- drug. So we're off. Okay. Yeah. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. Is just for every weird thing. So Fun, I'm so glad we watched it. Okay. So the next movie also chosen by Kate in we're GONNA jump Super Far in the future is troll hunter from twenty ten. Yeah. I picked this movie because my friend Tom Murphy recommended it and up pretty much have to trusted recommendations because he watches listens to you reads all sorts of interesting things and he said it was fun. So I give it a shot in Philly. Gwen ask people about this movie they haven't watched it, but it's basically just a cute not quite horror movie but still counts found footage type of movie set in Norway about this team of three young journalists who are trained to. Conduct who they think is a bear poacher and end up finding out that he's a troll hunter and he's this grumpy kind of just sick of his job working for the government killing trolls guy he lives in his trailer and they catch these trolls on film and they're super excited and realize that it's a real thing. I just think it's cute in this movie how they maintain the whole time that it's found footage even through the end of it actually I think my partner was halfway watching it in the beginning and working at the same time and she saw a little bit of it and was like is this real Emma just smiled at her? I? mean the like. Seventy story troll no I. Don't I don't think the seventy storage roles she said that she was like. So, Fun I really liked this movie. I just love the characters or overly good I. Love that like they they dig into like troll mythology a little bit but there's that tension of like some of the things I mean these aren't things I've been taught about trolls, but it seems pretty clear from the context of the film. It's something that like about control legends some of them are fairytales and some of it's true and that's like a fun. Tension, there's also like this whole through line of Lake but troll hunter works for the Norwegian government and so his handlers shows up and does like you know press things where he's like Oh this was clearly a bear, but you also get to see him like us bear paws to make tracks kind of honey dead bears there are in it to be fair, and then like the kids are so cheeky they're like, why did this bear crosses legs? Bad. That's like really cute. I don't know, but it was actually scared to right like there's times they get trapped by trolls and the trolls are like really violent and there's some attention that scene where they smell the blood of this Christian man. Because Megan smell you if you have Christian blood through the troll stench that you have to scramble over your body. But yeah, all of the exposure to the sun, the troll hunter uses these UV flash beams to kill and catch the trolls of the little things. But yeah, they had the I. Think you were mentioning this time Sarah it's just impressive what they're able to do with such a small budget. This movie big part of his the CGI by it's fun. It's different from any other movies we watched. Totally, totally, it's very easy to watch unless you have some motion sickness the from Han tab cameras than you might want to be careful I actually usually very sector that there were only two times I had to close my eyes going there being chased because the camera gets to choose shaky but for the most part was really beautiful and I mean Norway's Korge you get so many beautiful vistas of fjords and even like the Tundra in what essentially is, is it environmentalism film? It's a film about like how humans One point he's telling the kids story they built this highway, and because they wanted to build this highway through troll territory, he was sent in and had to kill them all and he just massacred them, and there's the actors brilliant who plays the troll hunter there's so much emotion on his face. It reminds me of like a disgruntled old like cowboy in a way without like all the fucked up parts someone who's been through so much in his so tired of. Like what society is doing and that was super compelling. I, really I cried in this movie because you you could just feel pain when he has to like kill them and I was like I thought really really compelling. Yeah. There's definitely some environmentalists beams and then also a commentary about how bureaucracy in government can be so stupid and there's led government guy that's trying to cover it up with bear tracks and then it was like either works at the power grid. As They run the power lines and the kids are like this is a circle. You ever curious about that. That was funny. Yeah. They're these electrical edge just running circle isn't that suspicious? I do live the way that like these kids with their like fresh eyes or like excuse me excuse me excuse me at all these like bureaucrats moon ever thought about it. I think that the kids getting excited about finding trolls is my favorite part and how. Contrasted with like the jaded? Of The guy who hunt trolls I think that that was all really great. It's kind of a movie that's just easy to watch in a way and it has some commentary on it but mostly, it's just kind of neat looking like has a lot of funny parts like it's done in that like you know sh mockumentary kind of way a little a little bit. But yeah, I liked it. I. Think it's a really good movie. Aside for me being very fun and beautiful to look. It's really fun to listen to if you're interested in sound designer, sound effects some stroll sounds are really cool like if you have a sub Woofer, get it out. Yeah it's. It's. It's got a little bit of that that thing that makes drastic park to me like a horror right which is like the idea of something. So huge approaching and you can hear it so much sooner than you can see it and louder as it gets closer and it was very very like tense and scary. There's a great moment when they're like in a safe house and they're like only one hour till sunlight and then. Boom. And that's really really fun. Yeah. I. Would say like Berry Adventure is very beautiful perfect amount of scary for me. I am a Weenie. And Yeah I just I'm so glad you chose a kate it was like a really really fun on movie. So the next film, which is when I chose is from two thousand sixteen. It's the girl with all the gifts, which is an adaptation of a book. It is delightful. It's Zombie movie about like the second generation of zombies anyway me their parents got turned and they were in Utero or they got turned on experimentation I don't know which one it was. Do you know? I think it was the former. It's like a bunch of women who were in the prenatal. Literally. Right. In the Little Zombie hybrids eight themselves out super gross, and US. Yes Oh. The they're like the Zombie cans crave flesh and are like super violent but are also like kids swimming care Jesus young black girl named Melanie. The whole film. Suddenly you came she is you know very compliance she wants them to like her. She knows all of her captors names she tries to be really kind to them in like there's like this moment. where, they're rounding all the kids up for the experiments. 'cause they're literally being experimented on by Glenn close which like what a what's up and it's so sad and you know she so compliance, she puts herself in the chair. They're gonNA lock her into and she says good morning. So in Soga morning so and and she so much to show she's like a good person. And so then outside of this compound, the world at least the world of England is just covered in fast mindless zombies they call Hungary's and so the second generation of children are like their hope. Oh but what happens? I wonder operation gets over by Hungary's, and so then Melanie escapes and she's like going around trying to figure out what to do and finds out she can control them. She can tell them what to do and the Hungary's will, and so then it's just sort of her figuring out from there like it's Khuzami adventure movie but it has a really cool couple of twists. One is like there's a blocker which I think we talked about a little bit last time it's like deodorant. Like adult blocker. Hides what human smell like right melanie could just walk through the zombies and they don't care about her but the humans have to have the blocker on and that's like pretty cool and then caldwell, which is Glenn. Close. His character is like Hey Melanie you're going to have to die to save everyone because I can make a vaccine by killing you anti-sect. and. There's amazing moment where Melanie's leg I don't think so I think maybe this is by future not yours and it's such a cool shift and as such a NEAT power differential in the book Melania's white but it feels pretty important that she's black in the film because there's so much. You know she's a young black girl and the the woman who wants to experimental hers older. White Lady and you know there's so much power differential there, and then it gets reversed in the end which I think is part of what I love about it but it had you both seen it before no. Yeah. I had already I watched it. I think not quite whenever it came out but a little bit later. Of course, this movie got really good reviews and stuff like. That and it's a very interesting movie like it's fascinating. The way that they kind of rethink zombies a little bit. This was definitely out in time whenever I was like I don't WanNa see another Zombie anything ever and then it was just like Dang. I do actually get you every time there's always one every couple of years I do still like to see these movies and girl with. All the gifts was that definitely just incredible. There's so many great parts of it and yeah you like everybody you know even the people who are clinging to this old take on humanity. I just think that there's something interesting about how this movie kinda takes a step back and shows the Hubris of the world. It's kind of like maybe humans aren't the best thing that we can have. Just changing and you have to accept that and it's just kind of interesting because it's being like, Hey, these people need to let go and sometimes I think that's one of our hardest things to do as people history like like go. But that's what this is about. So there's still sympathy even for character like Glenn Close because in any other movie, she would be the hero right because she's just like fighting. Yes I'm like going to the Mat to fight it but she's not considering that there might just be a completely alternate solution which is letting go of humans. Szekely, totally in how she's all infected with blood sepsis seemed to me like a pretty good metaphor for kind of the whole story. Humanity is sick in you're gonNA fight this to the end but it's GonNa kill you so toxic. Yeah. Yeah. That's good. That's good. Kate. That's such a great read on it I. Love Talking to both of you about this movie 'cause you always pick out like things I hadn't thought about, but that's such a good point that like. Her blood is turning against her and it's like that's how sick and how toxic humans are. I also like the sport tower at the end. Yeah I, love how the Zombie infection is a fungal infection and how it manifests and gross because how interesting mushrooms and fungus are because you're just saying Oh dang that's like actually probably the most profitable of all of the how to become as Ambi- kind of things because it's always like acid rain on your graver whatever. It used to be somebody summoned you you know and like all of that kind of stuff but I think in this one, it's just like No spores are weird. Here's how they were. Yeah. It's cool. Because right there's like the next phase of the contagion is the spore tower in in that moment when Melanie's like it's not your world anymore it's it's mine she like let's spores out unless such a cool moment there I really like it too. Because there's like you know one human survives and is a human that lake is one who is like I? Don't think we should kill them and let's build. One of the most symbolic things about that right is that Melanie doesn't throw out what humans have built. That's kind of thing is that she really is taking it to the next place, but she's also teach me what you know and then I'll take it. Into this new world yes and I think that that's interesting because a lot of times it would be like absolutely new world order we have his whole new society or something like that, and it's just like, no, not here Melanie is happy to learn from a human. You know like somebody who's not infected or I mean I guess like we'd have to even think of a different word for it than infected right and something like this. Perfect world is perfect solution. There is Ambi- movies where you know it ends with zombies winning and his bed, and in this movie, it's like at the end, the zombies don't. Have everything figured out. Yeah. They're taking stuff from this other history, but there is starting from square one and you know taking this movie from like a civilization standpoint. That's maybe not you know humans but an alternative to capitalism or something that's plaguing society. If we did figure out their system, it would take a lot of work and start from a very backed up elementary place shit. That's a fucking good read on it too. It's totally I think it could totally be an analog for moving away from capitalism right? Like the move car wells mind right call Mel looks at Melanie he's a commodity and sees a resource. A. Collaborative or good sons but like in a extractive sense, right and that's cool is the lab metaphorical or literal? And how important is that? Yeah that's Fucking Good Oh look fun movie. Okay. One more super excellent movie to discuss. I am so freaking excited Sarah. You chose from twenty nineteen knives and skin yes. So there's a bunch of good horror films lately. So whenever it was Oh, let's do one new and one old. It's just like well I've watched all of the horror films from all of the eras including the nineteen hundreds and stuff. So I had a pretty wide berth to choose from, and so I chose this one specifically just because I think that it was underrated I think not. That many people side it's kind of just a fascinating movie I think it does some things that I've seen a lot of other people try to do an kind of fail at and or it fills in these kinds of blanks that are left. So I had just got finished reading dad girls and it is a bow. Basically, it has a bunch of essays in it but the first is this writer talking about how our society com modifies dead women. You know sexy dead woman it's like you fell in love with the beautiful girl like that kind of thing, and it's disturbing and weird. And she goes off like she definitely goes into shows like twin peaks and true detective, and all of that you know kind of just dissect what we have going in our modern media landscape where a lot of times it's all this story about these pardoned meal detectives and all of the cost that their job has on them but then there's literally just a dead woman. Laying able like the whole time and they're having these like you know other conversations and stuff and we're seeing their characters. AMEX. So it is an issue right in the way that knives and skin does it story line I think is what was really interesting to me because you have this trope that's really upsetting, and then in this I felt like they use the idea of. A young girl dying like a teen girl dying as the motivating incident, right? Like that's what this entire movie is. About is all of these people reeling from that. So in a Lotta ways that setup exactly like twin peaks, but there is zero sexualization of this kid and it's just a completely different story it just by humanizing her and removing that and being like she was. A? Kid. She was a jerk sometimes and like not everybody liked her you know she was also just a kid and we all Westin through the entire movie who actually killed her because you're introduced to this giant cast of characters and the thing is, is that nobody killed her? So there's no aggressor. This movie like l. of the stuff is a reaction to what happened but. I don't know what happened and then when they find out, it's anti climactic in a way, right? They just have to sit with that and that's kind of how death actually is in life like a lot of times is maybe people who are tangential to you that die or you know whatever and you hear about it in these ways and you get bits and pieces, and that's part of what works in something like twin peaks true detective right is like you have these pieces to a puzzle and you're being walked through it but in life nobody walks you through and so that's why I think knives and skin was so interesting because it was a lot of people who are at a loss and who cope to really. Badly like couldn't figure it out and all of these conflicting feelings about it, and then also primarily it's about people who move on from that right like by the end of is so that's why I thought. This was an important movies because it kind of does something that we haven't seen a lot and that's kind of the deal lately is like you'll see a lot of times women directing horror films, and you just get a different world out of that because of all shit that like gets left out in a story that's written and directed by men usually they're like, yeah, that made that detective really sad but you know. In twin peaks, what's happening with her mom? Her mom is like not even a person in the movie she shows up every now and again, just it'll be in hysterics and everybody's like, Oh, well, she is just hysterical all the time. So that's what she does and it's just like she lost her kid and that's horrible and you actually see the mom character be fleshed out here. So yeah, the MOM's having trauma response and his unwell, but we actually get to see her be a character in briefest. So feel so real and that's what I a lot of what you're saying Sarah and that I that I found so compelling. In this piece it it felt like so much more real. The teen girls that I knew that the team that I was those people could be dekalb's but they also were like really good people who tried really hard to figure out how to live in in this society and I think it's a really compelling piece to in that there is a bad guy but he's just like a bad person he's not a murderer. We don't see him do anything holy violent small violences I would say but like he gets his comeuppance, end its sympathizes with him to the extent but like also doesn't ever let him off the hook hold. Him To account like that's one of the primary plotline resolves in the movie is him being publicly humiliated? Yeah, and he's not remotely the main character which is nice. Which is nice. Yeah, and he's really to like you watch this and you're like, Oh, my God, this guy and everybody thinks that he killed her you know like that's terrifying. But then that doesn't change the fact that he treats his girlfriend garbage and also his girlfriend has lesbian and dates a really cool other girl which is nice and doesn't usually happen in these movies. Yeah. They're romances so sweet it feels like they keep it a secret less because they're afraid of what people think of them them because. They found something precious they want to protect, and that feels really hopeful in a very different way. I. Also think about them passing trinkets, tweet each other in the bathroom stall. That are all like they've been hiding them in their volvos you know and like they're all covered position Jews and like handing it over the edge of the stall, I will think about that for the rest of my life. That's one of the coolest choices to make as a filmmaker because there's no words it's just them engaging in this intimacy and there's a way their fingers touch and it evokes sex it's meant to evoke sacks I believe tell me if you disagree all Oh, sure it's beautiful. E Queer story that being either Gen xers are millennials when we were young as these characters are were supposed to be, there's no way we do to seen a story like this. Do you have to say I, worked in hourly rehearsal. Studio for musicians, for like six years, we had whiteboards in the rooms and the thing that people always and forever will draw on anything are great Dick Dick Stick stick's everywhere. That's the only thing anyone ever wants to. Draw. So I just thought I was fucking hilarious and touching tender and made me smile to see one girl, draw a pussy and slide it over to the other girl. No words just like okay. Cool. Thank you for not drawing it to yeah that's literally a proposal, right? Yeah. You're just like Oh God. We're married leg I. Know it's like she's coming on pretty strong at that point but how nice would that be to have it in high school? Know when you made the point last time that Lake we always see. Exactly or or symbols of jacket come is always like a thing that we're seeing. We'd never see like you know the juices of a vulva. It's a very different thing to just like put on the screen and not have like a lot of like pressure around Ray and I think that's that's really amazing. You know and that's not even to address like Trans bodies and non binary bodies and how those bodies are unscreened 'cause. That's whole. Never conversation that we can't get into it. You know minute. Eight. But you know I think it's also like a lot of people have any. You know we don't see anything about their interior life were have no romances or all these different things it's is nice I the I love all the main characters are like young women and then like the one released sad mom, and then you know there's some other side stories about parents acting I'd never made this connection before, but it's kind of about parents action like teenagers and teenagers actually like parents and that that feels very real for a lot of people's experiences too. Yeah it's a very kind of quiet powerful movie. There's no jump scares Kinda. Like how grief can be almost stolen? There's an emptiness you don't even really know how to react. Kinda, like that one buffy, the vampire slayer episode of the body whereas purposefully quiet and but this movie's a very rich at the same time. There's really beautiful. Colors is really beautiful music in all of a single Oh, my God, the haunted together, all these different characters and relationships going with the parents. There's the Mind Dad. Who is kind of on the edge of the story? There's the mom that's all Linda puffy glitter paint. Cards and they're all very quirky in kind of add to the feeling that you get into in peekskill, where all the townspeople who have their own side stories and make it really unique weird and interesting but without all the misogynistic bullshit and plus a lot of other goals. Yeah. I I. think There's there's two elements to me that make it distinctly horror. one is there's a lot of parts where we cut to from a seeing that's very rich and filled with life to the dead girl's body, and it's her body moving as if it's being pulled by a string or moving as if like the center for body muscles work but not her limbs in just like sitting up against a tree when she. Died, over there and I think that makes it really haunting eerie part of with is see them doing there is is a function of weird fiction where it's like what's real we wanna make you question what's real and is her body actually moving and if so what does that mean that to me is just like those are some of my favorite scenes and I know that. Way But they're so beautiful and they're so creepy. Yeah the compelling you're like what's going on and she actually moving around a questions the whole reality of the story. Yeah and then the second element is is is what you said. K. It's a Cappella remixes of eighty songs that are just haunting and Sarah I know you really loved them but was it that you were drawn to about them Just like it's such a odd way to, as you know somebody who released studies filmmaking, there's not that many precedents for a film that just stops the movie to lake watch teen girls do a buyer acapella song you know and seeing those really kind of sometimes Annesley. Lake. Just beautiful codes to like any number of things I guess and it's kind of how you. See Them Cope but then they use it to help her mom cope too. So like there's that scene where they're singing and she you know is actually sitting there and listening to them while they do a and that kind of shows a healing in her yes I've seen earlier whenever they're singing and she's like go ahead and seeing this and they're like we just did Yeah. Wow I didn't even hear that you know and then leg at the end she does hear them like she sits and listens to them and I think that that's getting. So it's very interesting. The way that they use it in this film you know is just giving this quiet screen time to like young women is always something that you just don't see that often in movies and it's kind of the stuff that like made me think of a little. Bit. Virgin suicides and movies like that where you're just like this is kind of a horror film and then also it's kind of just this really beautiful art house movie. But then it's one where it's like I think people will like study this movie going forward and be like this was something was doing stuff that other people didn't really do it this time. Yeah it's different for sure I think it might be our lips are sealed their singing and the. They do sing that. Yeah. Ocean though, right there's a few. Yeah. They sing girls just WanNa have fun and Melt with you. I can't remember the other ones Oh. My God. I just talking about every fucking senior. Good there's so many interesting reversals, right of things that were used to in this movie and I think that it has such a powerful overall effect and it's like it's the kind of horror movie that will make you cry and then Kinda give you a hug and I loved that I also love like there's a long sequence of the end that is the dead girl walking away. From the camera and like sort of waving back at her mom. Yeah. Like walking backwards, right? Yeah. It's just really maybe super emotional I. think it's like a really incredible film I mean these are all superfund films. There's like a reason to watch all of them. They all do very different things from one another I think it's fun that we chose such a an ECLECTIC slate of. For this conversation just sort of organically. But yeah, I mean, I think they're parallels in different ones but I think all of them offer interesting indoor. Takes on what horror can do I don't know watching these back to back over a couple of days really made me remember like sometimes when I think of horror only think of slashers right only think of demonic horror which I actually liked moniteur because I. think it's usually really funny but you know slash is not always for me and I think that these are all films that are testament to the fact that like horror can do really incredible things and I think I said In last week's episode. What I love about horror is, is that it it is a function of weird fiction or vice versa weird fiction can often be horror whatever but it's because it makes us it makes us take something we take for granted and look at it differently. You know we take the dead girl trope for granted and knives skin makes us look at it. Differently we take straightness for granted and cat people makes us look at it differently we take like vampires even for credit. Lifeforce makes admitted lifeforce spend seventy five percent of the actual movie explaining the inner workings of how you become vampire and only ends macking Morgan. juicing. Just flood. But no I you know I think all of them have they just for me at least helped me think about what really is horror and it's so much bigger than than what I usually assume So I found this like also very encouraging and my partner was all of these except for cat people and was like, wow, I really like horror question mark in which is. Not something they thought they'd be saying before that happened. So I don't know also just like, thank you both for choosing such cool movies. It's been really fun to to think about them and and even just watching all of them was just such a fun experience even weird ass fucking life like for all of its weird twists and turns the whole time I was like this. Amazing. I'm having the time in my life. I'm really glad I watched cap people I. Don't know that I would have caught that one unless somebody literally put it on the list. I probably would have gotten around to watching the girl with all the gifts at some point in the other ones but watching all six of them over again together was a really random nice collection of movies yet. Exactly. I'm super fucking grateful to be on the pod with Yale editing. This is like the funnest thing I do every week but trade off is now I have to listen to my voice for a while. So great voice. So like what's not to like nobody likes listening to their own voice I mean, unless you're special me I just become entirely numb to it from having to transcribe my fucking like recordings. Yeah. I liked all of these movies as well. Yes, you've seen a lot of them before though right Oh, my God. Yeah. I watch movies all of the time and also I got a huge jump start watching horror films in life. So just watched. So many of them. I think I had seen all of these actually no. I hadn't seen cates movies. I didn't see troll hunter or life for. So I still got some new ones. And I also enjoyed both of those because both of them while I was watching them I was like no other person would probably tell me to watch this I think. Exactly what I thought what I was watching these kate. Of Fun Memories of life for us because I put it on one time with my abandoned, we had no idea what we were getting into. So it was a pleasant surprise. Surprise you know like you don't know at all kinds of junctures like what the fuck and there was a lot of what the fuck moments in this movie for sure. Well, that's that's that's also a fun of horror to in my mind but kate, thank you so much for taking time for us and coming on this side of the Mike it is always. Fun To talk with you about different fun things. We talked about star, Trek and twenty nineteen I think, and now we've talked about is delightful horror movies and if gonNA find you on social media, where can they find you Probably instagram is the easiest way. mysolar project is up there as mirror fears and my band up there as church fires six, six six. Love it. You can also search for both of those projects on band camp and listen to slash buying music. Yes. By Kate's music, it's so good. Thank you both so much for this. This has been absolutely delight I. Love This podcast and I love or movies. Thank you. This was so much fun. Yeah. We're a podcast that is all about making comic books more accessible to lgbtq folks and women. So if you have a question about anything related comics, comic adaptations, pop culture general conventions, cost play, new name it. That's what we're here for. You can send us your questions at bitches on comics at gmail.com. Unfortunately, Jima does not like the word bitch they're pretty judgy about it. 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Episode 35.0: A big effing queer party

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Episode 35.0: A big effing queer party

"Welcome to bitches on comics. I'm your host. Se Flee nor and my favorite number is five century. My favorite number is infinity have a question from Ria via instagram. See you can reach out to us any way you want from instagram instagram. You asked can we give them episode on animated shows? If you want to make it gear. Elo You know we do. You can talk about the different ships like lean from adventure time pretty much everyone on Steven Universe pretty much everyone on Sheera but in general. I just love to hear conversation on this. Most recent era of animated shows over era. Thank you so so much. I'm rubbing Mahan Creep. I love this. I'm so excited. Yeah I mean these were all really good shows so get so yeah. Let's start with adventure time. I'm actually re watching adventure time because hello quarantine and I'm writing a binge guide about how to watch it and just watch the marceline episodes because that's the best part and yeah. I think it's really good on a rewatch. I'm even you know the first time I go through anything especially if I know it was made by. Whiteman I tend to be very hackles raised ready at any time for something to be so offensive. I can't keep going and I will say adventure times use of ice king. It's ice king. The best thing about ice king is his relationship with Marceline. I think that's actually a really interesting story. The worst part is how he kidnaps women all of the time. What the like Ha. How was it funny? You know women are kidnapped all the time like this a real thing that when you fictionalized and make like. Oh my gosh ice skating. It's doing it again. Mark Up to something bad him and like well maybe we should have a world will or you should have a future. Where like that's not funny. So is king decide? Pretty Falcon solid show big fan. I really love the relationship between Princess Bubblegum and Marceline actually like the slow burn of it especially like a children's cartoon and because at the time cartoon network Caba Kabosh on anything queer in children's programming hand because they were salty XS and the XS. Always so fun so hard. I mean if you have people be committed loving relationship the second best thing assault you access because they with their feelings the entire series so it's certainly good. Queer relationship gets put off until the last episode like Zena by their super each other through this entire series. Yeah for sure. And you can with the episodes call but there at the door that they have to sing yet to get in and this is like the first I remember being like Oh marceline bubblegum. You got some drama some baggage and I wanNA see more of the act that song. Also all of marceline songs are so could which like. Thank you. Rebecca sugar for your service to our things stress. Yeah I mean that is one of the most likeable couples. I think in modern television. Even I think that you know you have the classic dichotomy of the person who's kind of a rebel who wears a lot of black and then the literal princess. Obviously something right Prince. Edward every person is into that L. Say that it's one of the match ups that we see a lot but it's because it's so classic and we all. I think we're really rooting for those two. I'm sure that there were some people who was shipped other people with them. But that's just bizarre. These two were obviously made for each other so thousand year long relationship or whatever it is like they've of course they've been together and of course they broken up and you know. I love that they end up back together and looking out for each other at the end. It's like so I mean I love the salty stuff. I love their conflict. I also love whim marceline. She's trying to reconnect with the ice king again. This is the best ice. Can we see? And she's at the Kings House and she's trying to be like. Oh you're Simon. You're this person I I used to know who actually saved my life as a child like I care about you and I feel really complicated about the fact that you don't remember who you are very sweet. So we see this huge side of marceline especially because she's presented so antagonistic and one of my favorite reads like that over time. She's just like kind of lost her connection to humanity at this point in sort of regained it through her friendship with Finn Jake and Princess Bubblegum. Who's not human but is much more connected to humanity than I would. Marceline is the beginning. But who knows? I'm not a scholar on these things but I really loved the Ice King is like Oh if you met any cute boys and there's this moment where Prince bubblegum and Marceline make eye contact and they're like L. O. Fugger now. Let's not do this here. But right and I have done that with XS like we have walked into a room. And someone's like. Oh are you two sisters and we look at each other. Let's not correct it. Let's not let's just not right now and I just thought that was really real moment of being a perfect presenting person in the world you know. Yeah while adhering to strict censorship guidelines exactly right because they had to again like. I think that we have to acknowledge that when we talk about this like your rights are a lot of these storylines are really great but they also have a lot in common with nineteen thirty s cinema where they were trying to sneak through some gay stuff and they had to do it in a very very clever way. So have we come a long way little? Yeah I mean I also think like the story of how we actually find. The bubbling kiss is pretty important because it was written without the cast and the person who was storyboarding woman was like. Are you kidding me? Come on? Let them kiss and I think actually wrote something like that in the margins and so they changed how the the episode played out instead of having them be like aside hug like Gals pals. They let them actually kiss again. Like I think that was the first Queer Kiss on cartoon network. In children's programming people would have been looking devastated if you did not do that. So my God for everybody who is watching out on that one because the sheer happiness that that one kissed granted so so much of fandom is nothing to be dismissed. That was huge. I so so many people and the fact that it came this fucking close to not even having is kind of upsetting because you know. I- How the hell else are you gonNA and their story. I'm with you because I don't think I would even like adventure time if they hadn't done that. Because even that simple kiss. It just suddenly justifies everything because so much of being a queer person watching. Tv is learning how to read the coating right or like film TV Books Comics. Anything it's knowing how to read the coding and be like. Oh there's my people that helped me. Whenever a woman shows up who is interested in art end whereas a black turtleneck. The lesbian has arrived. But nobody else. I'll be with a group of people even queer people and we'll be watching it and be like yeah. She was a lesbian. I loved the lesbian. The most and people are just like what are you talking about? There was no graphic lesbian sex. And that just like. Yeah the coding. You know that lady who has a long necklace around her neck has like a black turtleneck. You know looks literally like Susan's dog. Because that's still the lesbian stereotype like seventy years later. Thank you know you can just visualize and read these things that that person is supposed to be a highly sexual lesbian character on there so much stereotyping of lesbians as non sexual too. So that's a piece of that as well but yeah I mean. I think you learn how to read the coating because that's a survival mechanism right world. That desperately wants to erase your existence and the existence of people like you. You'll learn how to survive by reading between the lines they still want to use you as a fucking storyline though so there's still gay people in Cinema. That's just kind of the thing that is always baffling. You know as as that with a lot of these cartoons people are willing to let you go so far. You're always willing to commit to that. But the fact is that doesn't mean that they're not fucking mining. Our goddamn lives. First STORY ARCS link. They definitely do that to you. Absolutely I completely agree. I think that it's where the barrier as trope is so prevalent and comes back time and again. Luckily none of these cartoons do that. Also I can't imagine a cartoon where that would happen but I'm sure it exists and I think that that kiss says to the audience. You're not a piece of shit who's crazy and make this up. It's here it's cannon and it's important to people who would be like. Oh come on. You're reading between the lines a little too much. Which how many times have I heard that my God? It's like Oh am I. Here's a little onscreen smoother Reno so you can know that. I'm not making shit up. In general their relationship is really sweet but I do think had they not kissed at the end. I would not say that adventure time is one of my shows. I like Oh yeah no. It would not age even remotely as well like at all. I mean I think that that's one of the big problems when we talk about zingers something as people go. Yeah I mean it was so sub textual that it really kind of annoys me to watch it back so I don't know I have watched zero Steven Universe even though I've watched your panel I've watched a lot of people talk and do interviews and things like that. I have watched none of it. So you're going to have to be the person who cares time? God Stephen. Reverse is amazing. It's amazing I know you don't watch a Lotta TV. Sarah so I get it you get a pass. Get there someday. Isn't that he just one where it's like? I'm going to watch it all at once. Sunday will end. There's like fifty plus episodes in the first season. You know it's like it's okay that's GonNa take you minutes. The episodes are eleven minutes long so that is like a saving grace just like adventure. Time shorter form. But Yeah Stephen University incredible creative IRA becker sugar. A non binary woman who really cared about queer presentation being super positive. She did work on adventure. Time has mentioned. She's a big part of why bubbling came together and a huge part of the musical elements of adventure. Time especially as they get better you'll be like Why the songs I'll get better. Rebecca sugar was there so Steven Universe is all those great things brought to a very different story. Incredible Music Incredible World Building beautiful relationships between people. If you haven't seen Steven Universe I wanna give you this opportunity right now to pause the episode and skip ahead. Because I'm GonNa Spoil some things because you can't really talk about the Shipping. Without spoiling some aspects of it so basically. Stevens a half human half. Gm hybrid gems are aliens from planet called Home World Gem home world if you will and all of the gems are coded as non binary women and Steven is like this kid. Who's like I'm my mom kind of turns out? He is kind of his mom because his mom gave up her physical form to give birth to him because gems don't procreate gems can make new warriors and whatnot out of the soil. So it's a really cute thing. He and his friend. Connie or like bff's as the series unfold. You realize Stephen Is Trans and gender non conforming and so that's pretty fun. I think the kids are like weirder to ship. But Oh let's talk about some J. Hams okay. So first and foremost the the love of my life. The only person I would die for. I say that about literally everything I I watch and read. So don't ask me Garnet. Garnet is the Best Garnett is a you know tall woman who is black and has like a sort of fro and a beautiful British accent and she is sort of like the main Gemin- charge. Her buddies are pearl and Amethyst. Yes they're all named for gems and we learn about Garnett as Garnet. Then we learned that. Oh my gosh who knew gems confuse point pearl and Amethyst Hughes and they become Opel who is not either of them but connected to them influenced by both their physical and personality characteristics and is like a new person. I love all. She's so cool. Garnet it turns out is the fusion of a Ruby and Sapphire who have chosen to live together. Because they're in fucking love so they are presented as a queer couple the first time we see them actually kissing the first episode that they appear in but it was censored when it appeared on cartoon network. I believe and then now it is nonsense. If you get a version of it. They end up having a wedding. That's really adorable. They're interesting representation. Also maybe polly emery because they do fuse the other people they fuse together. They with Pearl with Amethyst. They're great and the other character. I ship is flora. Floyd is a very minor character but she is. I think eight or nine gems who've decided to live together. I have chills all of my body. And they point their flirting with Garnet Garnet. How do you decide like are you done? Are you going to get more gems? And then they'd be kind of lean towards her. They're like we're always looking for someone else who might Wanna joy. And it's like so cute. So Stephen is just like a big fucking. Queer Party. It's the best. Yes I know a lot of people. I know that our sound engineer. Kay appreciates Steven Universe because sometimes breaks into song with you and your partner. I have not watched it. But I'll get around to it and then I'll let you all know what I think too. Because there's a lot of sadness and so like Philip. Being sad is a part of queer culture. It's part of being alive to be fat. But it's the quote from Tara. We asked who do you relate to the most our friend of the pod. Tara Bannon was like I really most whoever's saddest still my favorite line because I was like Holy Shit. I think I'm the saying like whoever's crying like yeah I'm crying with you and you know and also like parole. We find out that they actually she and Stevens mom were together for a long time. Like five thousand years and then rose met Stephen's dad when they got together. It doesn't seem like she in Pearl broke up because of it but when she chose to give up her form that was like a pretty clear break up with both of them. And there's a whole reason like once you get through all of this season's in I'm not going to tell you that now you'll realize like oh there's a real reason this character gave her form and it has to do with her own guilt and culpability in some things but it's not as cut and dry as it seems that's the other thing. I'll say about both adventure time and Steven Universe is they do their world bowling so freaking well. They don't start with like a garden at one point in time there was a blah blah blah or they don't start out quote unquote beginning. They both just drop in in meteorologists. We start in the story and you have to sort of piece together like adventure. Time takes place after nuclear fallout on the planet. But you don't know that until you sort of piece the clues together. And then they have some episodes where they directly address it Steven Universe. You don't really know like why is this kid with these like aliens and like why are they his mom's but also they're not his moms and then you piece together. The story of what happened and why they're on earth what they're doing and I think both unfold very beautifully. Yeah I am sure okay. Let's talk about Sheera. Okay I can talk about Sheera. Yeah I watch whenever I was a little girl and I have to say that I turned into a gay person so I think the power show on the new reboot. Oh yeah so. I watched obviously the first season. I don't think I've watched any seasons. After that. They came out so quick. There's been like four seasons in less than a year. Oh yeah they're kneeling. It is great a lot of people behind that. Show Jalousie Nice. It's somebody who comes a couple of people who come from independent comics world though the fact that we're seeing major animation deals with Netflix. And stuff like that coming out of independent not that many people read it and whatever there was a certain era of cartoonist. The alleged got really dismissed and I think a lot of them have done really well for themselves. So that's definitely nice to see and the fact that we just have such a Queer Lens on the show. Now it's kind of unavoidable. I mean Bo- obviously Queer Catra Scorpion Lake all of those characters. I mean even Adora I would say stand tells you strongly that fucking hair poof. That's a queerest shit of a resume. I mean yeah there's always gonna be the issues of who gets to do what and what stories we get to tell but I think for a show that doesn't have any on panel kissing really between Queer couples that this is still unbelievably gay. There's possible ships in all directions. So I don't know I think that there's been some criticism I remember somebody writing. That was how you're bathing and all of this and I'm just like I mean it can't really be queer baiting because it is totally artists to make it and these characters just kind of our queer. I don't know there's not a conference children. They're all on their children. Like what the fuck onscreen because their children and also would say children's show like what are you like? We can talk about Queer baiting and we should and we should have a very critical conversation about it but I think sometimes people misdirect that fire at queer creators. And it's like what are you doing. Like don't do that is like they said that about killing eve to and it's like no we see. She wants to bone her like the whole time zone. Other women she pulled company. Idaho's character right that whole situation. It's so queer but it's also that person's a murderer it would be hard to date that person that's even though there's such a strong report between those two characters and it is a very queer relationship. Obviously they totally want to get it on. I think that yeah. You can't just say well they don't so it's queer baiting because I mean she's a killer she is getting so dragged into it already you know. She's already crossing tons of professional lines obsessed with her so she's already crossing every moral line and then she kind of like if I have with this person then everything is over. I go back to my life. You know so. It's a one thing that stands between her and just kind of becoming a complete asshole herself. You can't really say Queer Baiting to that because there's great reasons for her not to sleep with Villanova. Well when it's a terrible metric if your metric is queer baiting if they don't have sex right that's a problem because that's sure queer people. We're we're not boiled down to our sex acts like that is not existence plus also like a sexual people exist lesbians exists as sexual non Binary People Exist East an Arrow people are real and so we can't make everything solely about sex acts a because we don't want to go down that road you don't WanNa be the only way you can prove your queries by who you fuck. I don't want that especially a sense leg. I literally like never have sex. I think I made a joke about dating people like every three years and that is very true of me so yeah I mean if not having sex. I wasn't a lesbian anymore. I would probably be straight by now. It just is such bullshit metric exactly. Those people have totally different lives expressions. Needs once of those things and Jacqueline whatever it is it fucking is none of your business. If somebody says that they're gather gay and even in the story is you know where people are explicitly stating that. They are gay lake. There's enough queer overtones to it that you can kind of. Just let that go. There's an explicitly non binary character in double trouble right in Raven. Even the villain aside always gets their pronouns right. Even the good guys always get their enemies pronouns. Right in those are the things that make the series so damn clear I mean the Pastel Rainbow. Goodness from the fucking start of the theme song. Sorry Pretty Gay. The pair who've pretty gay both fucking little belly thing that's buys fuck they come on. These people are glitter is a sparkly Pastel. Princess who's got hips Cravo? Get people get really intense like I do because queer coding gasoline about it. We told like no those aren queer. I get it also. Cricketing doesn't quite satisfy our need to see representation and it shouldn't but also like Lexus. Let's aim that critique at the right people people who actually capitalize off this stuff or like arl networks making the decisions or the. The people who are choosing what story should be told like. That's where we need a direct that I R- she is clear. I mean Scorpio is like a big butch lesbian who's desperately in love with catcher. And she says it all the time sometimes she uses the word friend sometimes she just says. I want to spend time with her. When will she wants to spend time with me? Those things are expressions of attraction in love and and connection that are queer even if we don't have the perfect label for them. That's the other thing to think about is. This is a world where it seems to me. Homophobia doesn't exist trans-phobia doesn't exist and that's the world Noelle. Stevenson wanted to play in one where we didn't have to walk around with like a hello. I'm queer hello. I'm by hello. I'm gay like signs because it could just be intrinsically part of the world. That's not enough for every show. It's not enough for straight. Creators is not enough for networks but when a queer creator is like hey I'm GonNa create something so fucking queer that everyone's queer you gotta be like fuck. Yeah I'm in. You know like it's so good you see people of all kinds of indeterminate. Genders in the show who are in relationships each other who are carrying each other. Who are like almost dying to protect one another. I don't know how much can you get. I mean I've written stories that are about entire marriages where nobody has. I think that there's just that emphasis on that. I guess is very bizarre. And it's definitely something that POPs up a lot so you think obviously when we're fucking saying that about cartoons that gets real sketch but then whenever we're talking about something like Kitty pryde sexuality or something. Why is it important because it's literally been raised? So yeah that's a big problem. You know. This is a big difference. It's also by a bunch of straight people and you know people who have a vested interest in not ever making that character be bisexual you know because of this this and this and this and none of them are really valid reasons for a lot of fans so yeah. I don't know I think that these cartoons all do a great job of actually there queer representation because once again I mean we are talking about a show that is like for everybody but you know for kids as well. So it's like all ages got to kind of keep it light on this stuff and then also there's tons of subtext everywhere. All of these characters behave queer. You know like I think that that's all extremely important stuff. That really gets dismissed in that conversation. And I'm kind of glad that there's less of that conversation popping up lately I guess absolutely and then I we have to give a salute to the first lesbian. A trench coat and a big hat are girl Carmen. Sandiego I mean she has to be a Rou because God. So what are the things that make us think of Carmen Sandiego as lesbian I would say her incredible dressings? How elusive she is. She's good at stealing. She's GonNa Steal only a girlfriend. Yeah lots of things fashion girlfriend. Yeah Wide Brim Hat. Very Lesbian trenchcoat very lesbian. These are all very lesbian things. The fact that she likes to do things jumped backwards off a cliff while laughing and you know all of a sudden like an inspector gadget helicopter. Pops out of her backpack and she flies away. That's all stuff that lesbians do. Let's call it getting ghosted lesbian. I'm just like actually. That's how most of my breakup take place you just when you fly away. Never talk to them again if you can avoid it. That's the greatest thing I've ever heard. Of course on this show. They keep following her around. But Yeah I don't know I'd say that she always kind of struck me as that just because she's also not tied to anybody. She doesn't have the strong alliances. She has a lot of people working for her. But she's kind of on her own and then of course they totally lake parodied. Carmen Sandiego a little bit with Lucy. Diamond in the movie dubs so I think all of those things make her read extremely and they had a new cartoon which I thought was pretty good. I mean it had its issues and kind of you know etcetera etcetera but I mean it was fine. It had some really cute moments like I like. There's a moment where the kids are like in jail. And then I kind of bored and so they start seeing the Carmen Sandiego song like everybody is like into it that whack and then they let the kids out of jail. I thought that was like super duper funny. So Yeah I'd has some highlights some lowlights but you know for me. Carbon is just. She's the enemy of independence and creating a world she wants to live in. Her name isn't carbon city over but like that's what everyone knows her ass because last name she chose and that to me all the Bass Lesbians I've known in my life are people who are like no you choose who you get to be you name who you are. Oh you're not. You're not whatever people told you you were okay. We choose a new name. Like what are you wanted to be? You know like I see that up. Yeah so I mean that's another good reason cartoon cartoons it's been pretty fun to talk about. How gay they are only usually. They're not clear baiting. 'cause that's pretty extreme accusation to level headed show. That is a for all ages but watch him so. I really like doing this. Podcast and I think that's something that we're in agreement on. Yes hard same. Oh good all right. Well clear the air on that and I think that if I could choose anything to just do for a really long time. Apparently be this podcast. So if you WANNA support is doing this podcast. 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A super active twitter where we post comic book panels places where you can find free comics right now. All of that is our contribution to continuing to build a beautiful comic Book Community Fuller Fearless Feminist and Queer folks. WanNa make the coolest community be part of and you know where you can join us on. Patriots Dot com slash bitches on comics. Yet that's why I was talking about. I was like you should go to patriotic. This week's comic of the week is Butch Heroes by RHEA bird. Oh what a cool project. So it's a little bit different than most of the comics we've been reviewing. It is a queer history project and slash art history project. That is about retelling. The stories of Butch people throughout history and a lot of these people were punished for their Bush. Nece to different degrees and a lot of them aren't remembered in history really and so part of what we do being in. This project is reclaiming that history and putting in in the context of the time describing people with the language at probably best represents them and without making any judgments about anyone's gender identity. I think it's really bold in part because there is a lot of discussion about gender identity and I know there can be some animosity between people who think that trans identities are threat to butch identities and Roselle is like no. We are not GonNa do that. We are just GonNa talk about who people were. We don't have to give them a new label or tell them who they have to be. Or what we're just GONNA use the TERM BUTCH WITHOUT ASCRIBING GENDER IDENTITY. Turn and just explore these identities. It is so cool. It covers people throughout history of all kinds of again gender identities but also of all kinds of racial identities. It shows people in these beautiful illustrations. That bro Delle created that are just really touching and some of them are well. People are being punished and so they're being depicted as they were punished but even in that they're such a tenderness to the depiction in such an honoring of that person's experience. It's really freaking powerful. I've found yeah I mean there's no disputing the powerfulness of this comic. It tells you these life stories. Broken down people I never would have read about. I'm a history buff you know. I've read tons and tons and tons of history. Where almost so he's written out so the fact of just being able to read this and to have you know any kind of a centering of butch identities I think is really important because of course that is something that I mean. I'm says Lesbian Aifili. People who look like me are pretty much the only representation in a lot of movies that we see and stuff like that. It's kind of fend for fem stuff all the time so just having a celebration of that at all is a huge huge thing. We don't see you know so it's very interesting to see it also being tied to so many historical events. Very interesting to me. Because you're looking at these things these massive events and you're going always there were people in every part of history like every single step of the way we had queer people. And here's what we know of their stories and so little of it remains so many more people must have existed who had queer identities of all kinds and we just don't know about them and so it's easy for people to just say queer happened five years ago or something like that something that's only existed for the last hundred years you know. Gay People didn't even exist before that except for like Oscar Wilde or something and it's just like no there's all shit people. We just got forced into marriages and gross terrible situation. So I read in these stories like some people lived as another gender. There are lots of people who lived as men in the world in this book without knowing if that was their identity or not. We can't make a judgement but lived as men so that they could be with their partners. And it's really incredible to see how people have always been really fucking good at gaming the system you know to me. That's really hopeful. In these stories date back to the Fifteenth Century in the book. And I think they're they're even some older ones. If you go to bro Dell's website and I also think it's really important that brutal themselves is non binary and Trans and identifies as butch and wanted to talk about. What is this lineage? I have inherited through this journey. And I think it's incredibly intimate like you said incredibly powerful for giving context to historical events and filled with so much respect and love that it's really powerful powerful to read and I found it deeply emotional like I had to read it in like four bio chunks. Because I was just bawling just like I didn't know I know these people existed. I didn't know what life was like you know. I think that we have a society that works very hard to keep. Lgbtq plus people isolated and to keep us convinced that we are new and we are wrong. Just like you were saying Sarah and to read all of this and be like God damn it. We've always been here. We were everywhere and we will continue to be everywhere. Gave me so much. Hope even in the face of the horrible things that happened to some of these people who are portrayed in the book right but then their stories to like the person who was just given the opportunity would not live as a woman anymore. You know like just wouldn't do and was put to death as a result of that so brave and it's you know the kind of bravery that nobody talks about it. We talk about how brave it was for like Paul Revere to ride a horse through town talk about whatever else you know like everybody else gets these her ROIC ARC's but in some cases and not very often but some cases you'll see people talk about you know people who were victims of inquisitions and things like that and the bravery that they showed. And that is epic braver. There's no denying that but people are never a part of that story and just being able to see how much of part we always are was such a important thing. I guess because even though a lot of these stories and tragically. There's not any guarantee that are stories. Don't end tragically like we all live in these tumultuous times and hatred towards gay people or Queer people has not gone away and it. Won't you know like probably not anytime soon? Unfortunately maybe someday in the future that we're all working for but not today so I think about it. Think about how people will try to raise our stories too so the fact that hundreds of years from now somebody might go. Oh that person you know really did something for their community or like really accepted themselves in this really brave way that we don't hear about that's the utmost of hope because that means that from the very beginning we're talking to ourselves you know like a thousand years down the line we're having these extended conversations with people in the future and people in the past and so that means that we never stopping existing. So I think that's all really beautiful absolutely. I think that the transmission of the book is really important totally in addition to I mean. There's so many layers here we could just we talk about this all day. I mean there's just so much take from but I want to talk a little bit about the Trans in my experience with it because I think that there are a lot of people who think that you're only trans if you go through a medical procedure or you're only trans if you use. Hr It or you're only trans. If if if if identifies transmit binary person and it can be really tempting to to minimize my own experience of the world. Because I don't do those things or a haven't yet is a better way of putting that because transitioning as a lifelong process. I firmly believe and I think that. What's so hopeful about? This is Roselle really says like these are trance stories. These stories these are non binary stories. And it's all of them and we don't have to any single person any label. We can just accept what they went through who they were like. You said Sarah their bravery and being themselves and helping their community and really honored those stories. That's something that I think is really really powerful. Because it provides again like we were talking about this counter narrative that says there were never gay people and I see any time we go into the archive. Anytime we reclaim stories. It's a very fake odium. Practice in you know Michelle McCoy was like listen. Let's go back to win. Let's go back to win and really believed in looking at what was in the archive and instead of accepting things for where they are examining them from where they came from and so you know he does the the history of madness quote unquote and he talks about. Where did asylums come from? They came from Lowell. The importance of history is in not the dominant narrative but in all the counter narratives that live with in that narrative or don't live with that narrative and I think that in that way Brodel has done something truly truly profound to say that Queer People Trans People Non Binary people are here have been here and even when you have tried to snuff us out by killing us by rendering our identities legal by making life damn near impossible to live by making our sexual acts illegal we will fucking survive if in nothing more than memory and lineage to one another and by Bro. Delle creating this series of paintings that tell the stories of lgbtq people we all are benefiting from being able to take. These are my ancestors. This is where I came from to me. I think about a lot is how hard it is to trace lineage. When you don't have birth lineage. I was adopted as a kid. I know my biological family but they don't. I'm like a child of adoption so my mom doesn't know her dad. My Grandma didn't know her dad so on in such forth my biological family and so there is this sort of question mark that happens in sort of where do I come from. Who Am I? What does it mean to be alive and being queers a huge part of WHO? I am being trans is a huge part of WHO I am being. Not Binary is a huge part of who I am and so I get this alternative lineage that I can look at it and say like this is where I came from. This is who's memory. I'm trying to keep alive. This is who I'm trying to honor my actions and choices in the world to me. It's incredibly hopeful project even in its pain and it's honoring of painful experiences and I just I cannot recommend it highly enough. I think that puts heroes is absolutely required reading. Yeah Yeah you're a podcast that is all about making comic books more accessible to Lgbtq folks and women so if you have a question about anything related to comics comic adaptations pop culture in general conventions cost play. You name it. 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REShow: Kyle Brandt and Kurt Warner. Hour 3 (08-27-19)

The Rich Eisen Show

52:56 min | 2 years ago

REShow: Kyle Brandt and Kurt Warner. Hour 3 (08-27-19)

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Media group used to be just one n._f._l. Network that was it and just one or two shows and now we've got ourselves a full-blown media group and and i always thought like you know n._f._l. Total access is is <hes> the first show we ever did. It was the first show on the air. It was the first word that was ever offered. <hes> was uttered on n._f._l. Total access now sixteen years ago coming up this <hes> this november always thought there would be another if you will tent pole show there would be another one that people would tune tune into n._f._l. Network to watch and we have one and it's called good morning football and one of the highly talented members of the highly talented group of good morning football right here kickoff hour number three of the rich eisen show in new york. It's comprehend. Everybody gets to see it. Sir i am thrilled to be here. But what am i doing here. What do you mean what are you doing here. Michael irvin ervin that's true barry sanders kurt warner right and the guy that makes schrager giggle in the morning was on days relies a guy doing forget the real uh-huh world. Don't forget real ramping hurdle seasons. That's right. I am wrapping but let me i have told you this before the also find under the what am i doing here. This show has the best guests dan day out. It is a cavalcade of movie stars who dropped out for me to get this was daniel buddy. Daniel day lewis actually his right foot drop down. That's the only only talks about his left. His left one the famous put this is awesome to drop out. I reached out to you as you did and i wanna find out on your rich okay. I went on dan patrick show about a year ago and i wanted to fan on him. I didn't get to do it. Dan who dan patrick. I think it was in the same spot. I wanna fan and always my jerry jones invitation. Dan who i've watched a lot of you rich okay okay early two thousands of e._s._p._n. Sportscenter yes. I've always loved what you do. I love it. This is very cool for me to be here talking to very and i think you have if i may hey i think you have one of the truly underappreciated this sportscenter commercials okay which one is that i think it is the one where you get sent down to the mine all saw all right and it's fantastic i think i used to i used to watch this all the time and you're sitting there and junior high school announcements and dance there and we had to send rich down right and the woman the girl sitting next to you. Can she goes. Take it away rich. You go thank you courtney. Let's see that james k polk pride and all j._v. wrestlers. Turn on your uniform coast by the end of the week. It's great. I know on the girl turns me goes to the school. I don't think even go to the school. It's crawling fun back story. Tell me that it's funny that you mentioned dan patrick because that was about like year two year three for me. It's sportscenter senator and i it was very i was very sensitive to the fact that i was the one chosen to be sent down. I hear you okay. I'm being i'm very honest. I told a very honest story. The other day about a sportscenter commercial would not let me wash my hands coming out of the bathroom and i was this one i was this is particularly sensitive because i worked my ass off to attain what i thought a certain level of sports center and there were others who had been hired after after me. Why am i the one being sent down to high. School and dan pulled me aside. Get over it. Ah essentially i mean that was his message was get over it. This is a funny commercial. Get over. It really sit again. Did you have thoughts on who should've been sent down horsing charley steiner. I don't remember on pretty much name anybody including our first our guests tomorrow and mike greenberg greenberg hard they should be sent down to the minors but you've got to roll though ritz that you had the guidelines great lines or where they they asked me to buy i am beer all of that stuff and we shot it in an actual high school and it was tough for me to go through it but i got it out and and it's now one of your favorite sports center but dan literally was just like pulled me aside like what's the matter with this great stuck it out exactly you feel the same way about the role when you interrupt interrupt the broadcast with the williams sisters beads when you were behind camera. Do you remember that one too. Yes encyclopedia acknowledged sports. Remember that one tasers were there on right and i'm not sure i think it's dan somebody else and there's all this noise offset and you're getting your hair beated by the williams sisters in an interruption. I had hesitate <music> everything about that these days. I wouldn't be able to do that commercial. It's also a good one if the williams sisters wanted to reboot sequel sequel wouldn't be able to do it. Sorry i'd forgotten about that one. It's a good one. I fun well in in the green room of our show back in los angeles in <hes> because i've had this on the back of a chair of any place i've ever had an office since then is the kid is isan <hes> shirt or that that was that lou duva war and the sports the robe the silk you know the the cornermen silk doc that lou duva warned the sportscenter commercial where you know they came in during the commercial break and i could come into the prompter you know you know cut me low cut me and i i did ad-lib spitting out with my pinky extended and the funny thing is when you watch that commercial is they bleep out lou duva the famous cornerman because they had to they could not find three to four continuous safe for work seconds to actually edited commercial because he was acting himself self and he would curse up a blue streak so they had a bleep him out for the commercial so he took off the silk and i remembered they they just left it on on the side and i can. I about the lecture so i've had it to this day. I eat this up this behind the music of these sports commercials when they would come to you guys with an idea like right. Was it really kind of antsy about who gets it's the beginning who whoever it must be kyle brandt they they they they would come up with a campaign that we would hear that the commercial campaign was coming and we all. They didn't say a word. All sportscenter anchors are you. Are you doing one of the spots and then dan would eventually say. I'm doing like three or four drop. It share it knowing that what what sort of ripple in our pond that would leave. You know what a master all modern mattiello's. Please compare notes like who's in what how many lines you have and then the people from e._s._p._n. Who are part of the wieden kennedy ad agency they would have like this big loose-leaf a booklet of all the scripts them at ten spots that and they would literally hold it up like like a like. It's like a poker hand to their chest to make sure nobody could it's crazy. The cards handcuffed to the risk was really like that. That's so good is one spot that stewart stewart ni- ad libbed okay totally ad libbed and it was when they came up <hes> and they were shooting commercials around november and we ask them like how come there's never been like a holiday themed sportscenter commercial and pain. They're like well. We just never really thought of it. We're like well. We have an idea for one beautiful and we you you know had an idea for one and they're like. Is there a script like no. We'll just do it and we're like role the cameras we told him what the idea was that i was at my cubicle which she was my real workspace stewart would come up to me because he had an office so i'm on my workspace typing away on a script and he would come up to me and present to me a a holiday gift and i opened it up and it was my i._f._p. My earpiece and i put it dan and i it it fit me and everything. How do you know this is what i said to my. How'd you know in me. Just like you know just 'cause essentially what the what it was and then we would look at each other other we did this looked at each other paused gave this quick bro hug and then backed off happy happy holidays and then he walked away one take done and i would. I've seen it on the air once and i have not seen it again. I would love to see that spot. I feel terrible. I don't remember this one. I thought i knew them all. I'm telling can you they they air. It hardly aired it not on youtube. I don't think i don't think so. It's just you could look it up. Rich stew sportscenter christmas and then having had like did little jingle in the back and the date at the bottom looked like it was around christmas day. Obviously you guys were full producers on that. We i mean they didn't even have it in. They're little script that they're holding to their just one or the other e._s._p._n. Guys were like oh great. Now is an scott. Come up there on the breaking the rules. Dan just walk with their own one day. I love that stuff. Well look. I appreciate you bringing that. You and i and everybody is fanning out on good morning football. I mean what i say that at some point i knew there had to be you know another live tent pole tune in in everybody's watching and last year at <hes> in london <hes> <hes> was me and irv and we met with the jacksonville brass rask before the game that we were calling and the jaguar players would come in walk right past me and irv and everybody else went right up to peter. Everybody loves rakes nano no no but it was the show that yeah 'cause the these eight is now. It is on television sets in every locker room now. There's no question about it. I know so what you are doing your first few months where you just figured you just throw stuff against the wall and nobody seeing it anyway now here sir now now we get crazy so it was a nickname for the show is total excess like because we go we go wild. I cough sometimes totally right because it is excessive and it is we get these screen cap's sometimes from inside the facilities. Yes and you start to think wow so richard. Sherman is really sitting there watching that and we just had a segment that was sort of critical richard sherman analyst it makes you feel about that big but then i don't know what am i supposed to do not do it. I don't i think players if they feel it is fair yeah and if you are having having fun and not making fun. I think players absolutely can handle it. I there's no there's no doubt about it certainly if they know that the core of it is a love of the game and that what you're doing is not just for the sake of having fun at their expense yeah i i think players will absolutely i think so chris collins with came on so once and he's i. I like what you guys do because football should be fun and that kind of became our defacto motto football should be fun right because it's real heavy sometimes especially these days but we try to have on every every day every segment well. I mean karl brandt here on the rich eisen show when we did start the n._f._l. Network everyone was calling it. The no fun league and a lot of people might still do that right now. I understand but you know all the idea was to have fun right from the get-go and the commercial campaigns you talk about sports and it was the same people with steve bornstein who launched the n._f._l. Network from e._s._p._n. Brought in <hes> judy fearing who is <hes> behind a lot of the sportscenter commercials. She was the one who came up with the big man dance challenge commercial starting on network. We also also had the n._f._l. Total access spots with dear mr fantasy playing in the background. What about it's good to be rich that one you know in deuce mcallister looking gained watches. I mean that's a great shots frozen moment in time. That's great through a loop and looked at images like i agreed with the with the blinky was blind line. Giant cable knit sweater on bag is how it's so fifteen years ago and watch. This looks godley as all get out but you're looking in yeah. Yeah that's it. I'm like that's a commercial cold tub. That's the one with chris samuels of of <hes> washington yeah man and and that was a real oh call up my my favorite one that i gave i gave my <hes> my my own wrinkle to see similar to extending the pinky for for that sportscenter one was looking on the hood for for <hes> <hes> for a replay sure yeah and the the script called for me to give a thumbs up to the wrath. I just pulled away and i just gave them headlines now. I can't help back this your instant replay underneath the hood. I'm like what's that doing. I have no idea how do you think that's gonna work this year. I see i didn't like the fastener vari- thing ah just to me the bedrock of that when you're at home and you're on the couch and you're watching your team did my players foot. Come down in green or white. We look at it. Oh it's way he's out of bounds. It's objectively. It's just so cut and dry a pass interference. Thing is nuts. I mean really is and i. I hope it works out. I'm obviously rooting for right but i kinda pulled his arm down but did it affect the catch. I think so it's just so so murky. It's not the second foot. Come came down or it. Didn't it's like we're doing greco roman in slow motion. I'm concerned about it. I am yeah. I am too 'cause of the unintended consequence in a way <hes> and and then <hes> <hes> you're leaving after good morning good morning football tomorrow i'm fired up <hes> and then you're heading off to call more bears games. How's that been for remind. It's nuts the bears calbears that are really cool thing last summer. They said all right last year they had five preseason. Games played the hall of fame game right and so there's a preseason game number five live. I know you've never done play by play at any level which i hadn't but since it's the fifth preseason game nevermind a traditional broadcasts. We almost want you to try to do a little version of good morning. Football make like a podcast about the bears worry that second and six and tyler breakthrough and complete just be you i did it. I got the plane down somehow and they invited me back so i do the last preseason game and now nobody plays and so it's just me jim. Miller and dave wants that chopping it up about the bears for three hours launch. It's incredible i with me that'll mustache where it tells zach thomas stories and get into it. We love it here. Once got great stories and i grew up in chicago suburbs when he was head coach so i remember really really really well so that'll be tomorrow on our thursday night. Soldier field like the mansion of my dreams. It's an incredible thing yeah wants that was the bears coach when we first came on the air and and and he had some classic press conferences that we kept on replaying over and over just for giggles between takes for total access i remember that he's probably got some really great does and it's just he had the most desperate forever doing it now. It's still cool and ironically always had it. It's actually been in the headlines this week ritz. I was thinking about well. We're talking about no. No we're talking about unforeseen retirements. Yes and everyone's talking berry and calvin johnson. The ricky williams one was nuts when when he was once it was coaching the miami dolphins oftens and i felt like it was ten minutes before the season ricky i'm just done and he had his addictions about the weed and whatnot but like i want to hear wants to take on that because that blew my mind. You know what it's funny any i had we. We had junior ceo on dolphins cam justice. This was breaking okay on total access and and anybody out there for watching n._f._l. Network knows exactly where i'm going with this one car and we we told them like look. We have to ask junior ricky ricky williams charleston even though you know it's not good news for the dolphins and you know we're turning the page you know the the quintessential. We're only talking about the people who are here. Type of italy and they're like fine. He's ready for it so i asked the question and he called me rick in response called me rick the rest of the interview rick eisen the show. I like it and we were we were wondering if that was just his way of of protesting and i said i think if he was protesting recalled dick. That's what i mean like if you're going to mess up my name but he called me rick the entire time so i was rick on the set that for a very long time anytime junior seo came up it's rick here's rick that's amazing i know because he definitely called me rich to start a thanks and then he transferred to rick that he did. It reminded sir. Excuse me dick. I'm sorry rich will available to us. Maybe junior say i was going there. I didn't think that he rick you. Did i got rick. I got rick rolled in a way. Have you ever been rick at any point of your life. It's kind of a cool name not to my face. It feels so different than rates to my face. He was junior sale to my a junior. Sale of all people ask about ricky williams. I know shoe contracts not happy upon hey this really fast because it was a lot of fun as always i look look forward to returning the favor by coming on good morning football tomorrow. I'm thrilled. The heavy rick added fact here's daniel day lewis called callback callback call backs everywhere. Peter schrager need burleson kay adams every single weekday seven a._m. Eastern only on n._f._l. Network at kyle brandt on twitter kyle brandt n._f._l. Now on instagram good to see her. This was the throne kurt warner's making his way to the studio when we come back. You got a whole host of n._f._l. Stars talking about andrew luck's retirement retirement okay aaron rodgers would one right who else we got an rogers russell wilson drew brees shawn watson everybody talking about all right. That's next on your phone calls. At eight eight four two zero four rich here on this edition of the rich eisen. Show in sports at trade can make or break your team. A good one can mean a championship but a bad one can set your franchise back for years years and it is no different when it comes to selling trading in your car. You need to make good choices and with truecar. You've got a star on your roster. 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Honda the official vehicle of the little league world series christopher okay yeah. We'll go quick here. You mentioned it earlier. Rob gronkowski ski talking today on his new cd partnership about retirement <hes> he got really emotional. <hes> take a listen. I wanna be clear to my fans cams. I needed to recover. I was not in a good place thought football was bringing me down and i didn't like it and i was losing that joy in life like the joy. I'm sorry let me i really really was and i was fighting through. It and i knew what i signed up for and i knew what i was fighting through and i knew i just have to fix myself man. Do i love rob. Gronkowski count skiing. I love gronk. That's been always the beauty of him as he's just himself. Growth gronk be gronk was always the phrase right it was also the joy that he appeared here to get from playing football exactly and how it mimicked the way we feel about what sport and and just the carefree attitude we all would love to be able to have that in our lives and in our jobs and to see him emotional like that everyone's just missed a spiking guy the crushing beers guy the shirtless dancer but but again let this all be understood here when we hear about andrew lock being the thinking man the <hes> the renaissance man the book reader and how that's a problem for <hes> drafting players in the n._f._l. That's not bronx m._o. And gronk bad sounded just like andrew. Luck did two days ago except he made his announcement a few months ago and he's not a quarterback. He's tight end. It is really not much difference. His body's beaten up and he is done with me and he says physically he's ready to go mentally. He's just not there is what he said today. What else do you have over there. Yeah so a whole bunch of quarterbacks were asked about injury retirement. What's <hes> rip through those starting first with andrew roger aaron rodgers. I thought it was pretty disgusting. He's making a really tough decision. I mean before that you know he makes the decision. I don't know why that doesn't stay in house. Kind of protect protect them a little bit. Although when i think about it i thought it would have been <hes> more of a standing ovation type thing a thank you than than booze but <hes> i said this morning i wanted to percent respect act him immensely for his decision. I salute them for choosing quality of life in my opinion not playing with them but just reading some. I'm what is teammates said you know tough guy what he went through to get him back on the field. <hes> is is what it means to be a leader by by the way just to make sure that the disgusting part is not the decision luck had to make the booing is what he was referring to and i think he also gives voice to what i was saying yesterday. Don't blame adam schefter. Whoever in-house did not keep it in house in god it's adam schefter and an atom confirmed it with somebody is no way he got it and said oh yeah it's just the biggest story in the national football league yeah in years so i'll just go with just unsourced nah so somebody didn't keep it in house and busted up the way that lock was going to do it and then as we all know led to the boeing shafted and lead to the boeing. It's whoever told adam schefter led to the boeing and like i said at the top of the show i say once the dust settles andrew luck comes back from whatever vacation he's got and then we see jacoby perset perform the way that i believe he will the colts will reach out to look and say show up at a game we want to have you on the sidelines and do it one more time and the fans will get a mulligan and i think it's all an and so the last time that he's maybe it'll be the day that has he officially retired you sign. Maybe can come out of retirement assign a one day contract or something like that. Do it over do it over and the fans get a mulligan. Tom brady on andrew walks retirement. You know his life. Everyone has the right to choose what they want to do. And you know he had a great career and he was obey player. Everybody wishes they could be healthy all the time and and it's a very you know it's a contact sport and he's certainly had his historic tertiary injuries so you guys are tired different times some at the end of the season. I'd seen a lotta guys retire before the season gets going and and this is just one those examples. It's just amazing. He's a forty two year-old reigning super bowl champ and showing no signs of of flagging and and lock just was unlucky to be behind an offensive line or to have a general manager that didn't fix it when it was clearly a problem and brady's got the luck of having the patriots organization and bella check being his coach and mcdaniels essentially being as o._c. and just the scheme that out the big hits. You got russell russell wilson next. This game can take a toll on us. You know physically but also emotionally spirited everything else. I think that he's demonstrated it with glass last year the whole time he's gone through everything and <hes> being highly touted. Obviously you know being the number one pick and everything else is a lot of pressure on. I think that <hes> he handed with grace. I think he handled did it really well and and you know had a tremendous career for for how long he played. You got brees over there. Drew brees okay. I think i'm probably like everybody else. <music> a bit surprised and stunned to <hes>. Are we heard it when we're on the sideline. Actually somebody got wind of it during the game so listen andrews a friend you'll exchange change text messages with them from time to time so i'll be reaching out to check on it really is amazing. I still can't believe it yeah me too. I still cannot believe it does shawn watson 'cause he's taken serious man. Yes already. I mean just in his first three years here and a knee injury sorry to knock him out from one year to that was non contact. I believe in practice correct after he dominated seattle yes right. Yes okay what else let's see. Let's give a listen here. I was it was something that <hes> of course caught everyone off guard <hes> you know he can control his own future sure and he's a great player is a great quarterback wanting top five quarterback in the lead and and <hes> you know he. He's doing it for the reasons for himself. I mean there's what else is there to say except what you hear from these quarterbacks and i'll just reiterate this one more time as i said at the top and i said yesterday you know if you're lookin' looking for me to just slam the entire colts fan base or rippon luck for doing this decision last-second or thinking thinking that he's thinking of nobody but himself. You've come to the wrong place. That's not what the show is about. That's not that's not the way i'm wired. I don't i'm not wired that way. How i am wired is to look things in a nuanced manner and also potentially to give you a little bit of an inside and everything else. Let's look at this look retirement through the prism of all the guys that we just heard talk right there and all the other guys who play the position and play the sport and just think about the the the the mental and physical preparation that they have to go through in order to play this game been played at high level and the fact that they do it. We can we count. We take it for granted. I've stand on the sidelines. It's amazing. These guys get bigger stronger faster sita. The combine combined every year. You know it's amazing. When be these guys pay more than one game when clowney clowney ran at forty and if andrew luck is not into it to the point where that guy was not into it who comes back at sixty percent not still into it anymore is putting himself in the way avin clowney twice a year. It's better off that he steps away and it's better off the team to really is aren't we step away. Kurt kurt warner pro football hall of famers just about to walk in. He's part of the n._f._l. One hundred ceremony tonight that's next here on this edition of the rich eisen show from new york city. Hey listeners just wanted wanted to take a minute to thank all of my great sponsors and all of you great listeners for supporting. This podcast certainly couldn't do this. Show without either of you and i wanted to remind you that you can support work my sponsors by going to my show page at podcast one dot com clicking on the support this podcast button and there you'll see all of my wonderful sponsors and help make this show uh-huh possible so thank you for downloading subscribing and of course supporting now back to the show stay tuned for sixty seconds of eight news headlights right after this podcast n._f._l. Season is finally here and if you're looking at some excitement make bet the sl. You're you're betting partner so i can use betty live betting platform to watch all events and even bet all the games till the final whistle of course new members get one hundred percent bonus match. All you have to do is use promo. Code d r one a one whoa. That's double your money to start winning today. Why should i choose bet the sl bet. The asai has been paying winners winners for twenty years but you're wondering how easy is the site that the top rated on betting review sites bet gsi has very user friendly interface and mobile site bet the side the fastest payout in the industry simply add money bed win and get paid that the s._i. Offers betting options for everything bet on things like the n._f._l. The n._f._l. The n._f._l. The n._f._l. and even the n._f._l. And also and be n._h._l. U._f._c. and all other major sports politics takes reality t._v. sports virtually everything. Try live betting. I'd bet the side where you could bet on all the games from start to finish. Did we mention they got the n._f._l. Every play i every minute until the end also i just remembered new members get one hundred percent bonus match using promo code d._r. Wanna one. That's double your money to start winning today today. Once again go to bet thea side dot com and use promo code d r one a one get this limited time hundred percent bonus cash offer now. It's only a game until until you bet it at that. Decide just a friendly reminder that t._b._s. Is your home for m._l._b. On sundays this sunday at one eastern as he's just up the road from here in the bronx we are at the mouth of the holland tunnel in downtown manhattan. I wanna thank today's guests for being here. Kyle brandt rant just left us from good morning football beyond what the good morning football gang tomorrow morning barry sanders and michael irvin chris berman kicked off the show as well and i turn to my right and i find one of my favorite people my compadres from n._f._l. Network pro football hall of famer but more importantly father to starting nebraska wide receiver the dad of kate warner kurt. Warner's here seem to be fired up about that. I mean come on now. I just love the game so i not in your kids do well and a walk on stuck with it. He's just he's just a great kid. I mean that's you know you've met him. I mean that's the coolest thing is good football player and all that but he's just a great kid and so when you have a great kid does nothing but work is but off to earn that position we're so so proud of him and we're as you said we're excited. I mean we're that's why i might not be too many of our production meetings this year now. He's maybe something that i missed no. I'm trying to get through as many games i bet i bet you're going to be all over the map. You do monday night football for on radio. You do our shows. You're gonna have to be many those nebraska. Yeah coach coach and friday nights for my mother. Son is a sophomore in high school so okay friday night which team which team is brophy college prep in in arizona so we gotta i win last week and ice wind force against the top ten teams so what sort of start for us what sort of coaching disciplinary my son or for everybody else uh-huh that's like that's like jimmy johnson with irv and everybody else and it's hard no. I think i'm harder on my kids than and i am everyone else you just you know the potential you. You'll get there right. You see him every day. You know the potential you want them to nothing but great so sometimes you push them a little bit harder but it was so funny the other day when <hes> you tweet you commented about it on twitter there was an actor robbie mel who could not throw intro properly and it looked as though is terrible and got roasted on twitter for throwing this manner and some some movie and i said i kind of felt how i understood how he felt because of a sports commercial i was in. They refused to let me wash my hands coming out of the bathroom for the timing purposes of the commercial and they're yeah so i understood how this guy was throwing this way. He had to throw this way. Perhaps because of the way the cameras in the sound equipment was around for half and so perhaps so i said i know how i felt that i would much rather be known as somebody who can't throw a football than somebody who doesn't wash his hands coming out of the bathroom and what did you say chris brockman. You're like well. What about guess kurt. Warner your name one thing if you're an actor with that the face of the n._f._l. Net law and you can't throw a football a ball. That is a whole different. There's just an expectation that comes with you know so much about football and all of them. I mean you know what you guys know what i mean. This is kurt favorite pastime. He says he loves football but that's not much. He loves his wife. That's understandable all right underneath that is tearing me any sort of new one regards. There're physical attributes. I might display and you you know i'm not a big fan of some of the skits is that we do want on n._f._l. Game day morning. You're not ready for this wrestling. We're doing okay okay with that but you see tuesday anything that we do physical that you're involved all about those skits on sunday morning. I love those things for you to come out and you never felt the dunk tank with rich throwing. Oh yeah yeah there was no chance when he ran up and pushed it with his hand. There was no chance he was in there with the football fans kurt warner. You're on the rich eisen. Show <hes> okay. I'll give you the floor andrew lutts retirement. You thought when you heard it well. I mean you know obviously the original thought was everybody was surprised by the whole thing thing i think football fans fan of the position fan of guys that carry themselves the right way and carry the torch of the n._f._l. Disappointed the from that standpoint because he's just he does everything right and i enjoy watching him. Play the game so that was the one side of it the other side of it <hes> fully understand stand what he's talking about. You know going through my career the way that i did whether it was the years that i was sitting around hoping i could get back on a football field and play the times that i got benched in running scout team <hes> or times when i went through injuries where it starts to suck away the love that you have for the game because what you love is competing what you love is sunday afternoons and when that's taken away from you and it becomes about everything else you do you start to wrestle with the idea that i started playing this game because i love the game now. All these other things are taking more of my time and attention attention and i can't even get to do the thing that i love to do so fully understand that part of it <hes> you know and you have to believe that in a lot of people are gonna say. Why did it happen now. Why is it happened two weeks before the season. I feel like a part of it had to be. I don't wanna go into another season. Where every single week take everybody's wondering this week that andrew luck plays and the team has to answer the questions and jacoby wonder. Am i going to be started this week and you know because it's just going on for so long. I almost feel like he was like. I need to step away for the benefit of the team as well as my benefits who i can get away and get back to just kinda lovin life again because he's been through the struggle for so long. That's part of the thing that makes it so sad and i know again. Whenever i say man i feel for him and it's so saddening to me i get it. He's making he made millions. He's getting to keep millions. I understand one of members of our of our profession said it's like the most millennial thing that he couldn't handle rehabbing all that sort of stuff to me the fact just knowing of him and knowing having met at him that he sat there kurt warner and thought the only way out of this was stopped playing football right had to have been patently miserable miserable depressing sadness. No doubt i mean even put on another. I remember when i was benched. I was running the scout team. They were holding cards up and saying okay throw to the guide circled and yeah i was making. I was making a lot of money and it was a great living but i was miserable. Every day that i went to work going. This is not ought why play this game. You know not to make the money or the fame or to to last as long as i play because i love competing and i love going out there in the ex's anos the knows in the cat and mouse part of it but i was talking about. I was like i just want to retire. I don't want to be a backup run scout team from new york that that was actually in arizona in arizona and that's a whole different level because it's not even the rehab in the pain and the struggle of just being able to to feel good when you show up to work every day and i know a lot of people out there like will you make a lot of money in all. I understand that but a lot of guys don't play for that part part of it that is a huge in huge blessing and benefit to this game as you can set yourself up for the long haul but some guys aren't wire just to go. Oh okay so. I don't get to do what i love to do. That's okay because i'm making a lot of money and that's what i think. A lot of people at home don't understand is that there's people out there just play this game because they love it if they can't do what they love they would rather step away and find something else that they love to do rather than just come to work because they can or because they make a lot of money and i truly believe when you heard andrew lucked talk. That was basically what he was saying. Is that my love for the game. <hes> this other stuff has become stronger stronger in my mind then my love for the game and it's why i retired. I think it's why most guys retire is because you don't wanna put in the time in the offseason anymore. The preparation asian part of it the expectation that comes into okay you just play the game but now we expect you to throw for three hundred yards and three touchdowns next week and carry the team those things start to outweigh your love for the game and that to me was when it was time for me to step away when the physical and mental toll outweighed aide just enjoying showing up on sunday afternoons and <hes> and i think we all come to that point at some time some earlier than others and i just believe leave andrew luck with all these been through. He came to that much earlier than we all wanted. I'm sure more <hes> earlier than he wanted <hes> but i understand that feeling and proud that he was willing to because most guys are going to just hang around going man making a lot of money. I'm just gonna try to hang around and i'm going to be miserable in the process that you know that he was able to step up and go. I'm going to walk away from all of this because i'm not enjoying what i do. On a daily basis a few minutes left with kurt warner actually about four minutes almost on the head here is it's hard out that being a radio out yacht so <hes> last thing for you. It sure looks like i mentioned new york here here here. We are in new york and sure looks like it's the same situation with you and eli now with eli daniel jones it it it. Has that possibility here now. Daniel jones wasn't drafted as high as eli. You did not have the whole whole history with one single franchise that eli clearly has here in new york. It's not sure perfectly apples to apples. Do you think we're seeing this play out in some way shape or form year this year <hes> why i think it has to play out in some way shape or form but i just think there's a there's a bigger grace period for for ally than most guys would get and you know. I don't really know what that looks like and i've talked about it a lot with a lot of people i think eli has earned the right to kind of see this thing out the way that he wants to and that doesn't mean for the next three or four years. I think for this season because we've seen what daniel jones jones has been in preseason if we believe that's what he's going to be in the regular season. He's earned the right to kind of play these sixteen games but i always reserve <hes> <hes> the right to say if there comes a point win. The organization believes daniel jones is the better quarterback hands down without a doubt. You have to make that decision at that time <hes> but outside of that i believe this is allies season to play out sixteen games to show people where he's at and figure it out from there. <hes> in the clean break is to go let him play this season and then if we believe it's time we usher that in next year as opposed to ally sitting on the bench for eight seven six games at the end of the year while daniel jones takes over <hes> and i believe that's the perfect scenario but as we know in this business is not a lot of perfect scenarios that play out. Did you see the photograph after the bengals giant's game in cincinnati natty where the entire media crowd like three rows deep boom mikes were around daniel jones and off to the side was illogic putting his shoes is on by himself. What do you think what do you think was going through. His mind based on just well. I mean i think similar things what went through my mind when i was in those situations that here's what i've done what i've accomplished yet. They can't wait to replace me and you know what a tough feeling that is again. Mind came in different ways. I mean here's eli manning. That's a two time superbowl champion for this organization that is done. I mean it's done everything everything and been a model citizen and representation of this organization <hes> but i know the feeling the feeling is this. This is the n._f._l. And they are always looking for the next guy and looking for the guy the heir apparent the guy to replace you and the young guys played really well and so a minnow relies going okay. I'm gonna i'm gonna show him. The next sixteen games that i belong as the starter but every day you show up to work you say is today. The today is today the day where they make that move good to see kurt warner one hundred affair this evening or i'll see you on n._f._l. Game day morning season preview. Show next tuesday won't won't see you in person even though you'll be part of the thursday kickoff show from chicago where you calling it on the radio then i'll see the following weekend right best brenda warner sur la best the most important warner in house man thank you that's when you're supposed to say you know best of your wife and the crew zoos. We love you know ooh. We know we know hi. This is gillian with court junkie. A true crime podcast hassle covers court cases and criminal trials using audio clips and interviews. I'm excited to announce that i have formed a partnership with the law and crime network and that court junkie will now. That'll be releasing episodes every week. Some episodes include the case of a man who admitted to dismembering his father's body but swears at trial that he didn't kill him and the case of of a woman who is charged with murder after she pushed her husband causing him to fall out of a highrise building court junkie is available on apple podcasts and podcast one dot com. Uh it's october tober twenty-seventh two thousand seven mark richt georgia football's head coach strolls across the turf of municipal stadium in jacksonville florida in just thirty minutes minutes his bulldogs will kick off against the florida gators and for once richt is brimming with confidence. Both teams are now five and two so neither is really really in national championship contention but for richt. This is still the most important game he's ever coached. It's chillier than usual today. In jacksonville the city see that's hosted pretty much every florida georgia game since the nineteen thirties jacksonville is supposed to be a neutral game site but it doesn't feel that way correct. It's in florida for crying out loud and a game called. The gator bowl is played here. How could it be neutral. Rick thinks as he looks up at s._c. Of orange and blue gator fans the gators brought the bulldogs to heal in five of their last six matchups. It's given florida a huge mental. Allege made the buttoned-up georgia coach desperate enough to do something crazy at least for him something with swagger. Maybe a little arrogance something to get some fire in his squad's belly. Even if it pisses off some football purists something in other words very unmarked rick lake in seven seasons at georgia richt has built a reputation as a man of faith. Who's quiet decency stands out in the cutthroat world of college football for him. It's simple you win with integrity you lose with integrity. It's the georgia way. That's what makes this right now. The most off the wall moment of mark ricks entire career as kickoff approaches rick makes his way back to the cramped locker room stands before his players players and reminds them of his plan to snap their losing streak. He tells them if you don't get a celebration penalty after our first score. You'll all be doing early morning. Runs is welcome to jacksonville and the seventy fifth encounter at this site between these two better rivals however you need to compete if you're going to have a real rivalry and in georgia has lost as we said fifteen at the last seventeen almost nine minutes into a scoreless game with georgia face in third and goal at the florida one yard line star running back no sean merano takes a hand off and jumps over the pile of linemen in front of him marino up attack georgia touchdown and here comes the entire tire team. Watch this for excessive celebration. We may have fifteen hanky jamir on this one. I can't believe this playing. This was absolutely the plan. Ric decided that he is going to try to find his team. He's tired of having the psychological advantage. He's willing to give up the penalty. Nearly every georgia player on the sideline russia's the field penalty flags fly in every direction the c._b._s. Cameras cameras swing to the other side line anticipating a reaction from the gators. Tim tebow florida's phenomenally talented sophomore quarterback looks confused infused sodas tvos coach urban meyer meyer is frantically waving his florida players off the field to avoid pointless penalties meanwhile rick take it all in happily and knows his plan worked. The gators rattled as the second half unfolds. Georgia's still doesn't give away its lead. The stafford marino georgia touched the bulldogs match every tibo touchdown with one of their own and win the game same forty two to thirty for the first time in years. The florida georgia game lives up to the hype. A rivalry. That's been uneven in the last decade is incredible once again. Georgia's full team touchdown celebration quickly gets a nickname in the media. The gator stomp richt is thrilled drilled but he's created an unexpected new problem while he made the rivalry competitive again he also just encouraged urban meyer tim tebow and the entire florida team to spend the next three hundred sixty four days plotting their revenge that was just a preview of sports wars to hear the rest of the story subscribed to sports wars on apple podcasts or wherever you're listening right now.

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Center of Calmness in Business w D K  Warinner

The Authority Project

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Center of Calmness in Business w D K Warinner

"All right we are live and gentlemen boys and girls i am. He were my good friend. Decay wherein warriner trying to get their right either way and i am very excited about this because he we're gonna talk about the center of calmness in business so if you're if you have anxiety if you're struggling with what if if you're overwhelmed right in west was that there was there when we're looking for. Thank you stressed out overwhelmed. You know perhaps even even lightly depressed uncertain. That's what's call mrs about. Do you run your way through that. That calm this point right and then then your freedom to move in whatever direction to move to get it done right. I'm models things week. So that's what we're here to help you get over. This is what case here for. I'm excited are you ready to go guys. Are we ready. Are you ready for this now. I ready to do. Can you really help us do today. Yes again all right well. We shall see okay episode of the authority project. All right ladies and gentlemen boys barrels. Feast your eyes in tune your ears. It's that time again. We are live with another episode of the authority project. It's the video. Podcast streamed on facebook. Youtube twitter and periscope where we talked to digital marketers business coaches and creators of all kinds on how built authority airfield. And how you can mimic developing authority building your audience and attracting better clients to your own business now without further ado. let's bring to the virtual stage your host. Brian s arnold. All right here. It is brian authority project evening edition. I am late today. Eight o'clock four o'clock or less or eight o'clock in the evening in we're in the middle of this because my we have the center of calmness men decay met. The guy became wearing a is here to help us. Yes we are good. We are good. I wish it has some. I wish he has some bitter newcomb music but Hey i'm i'm sure we'll hear natalie here will be all right in a group that works for me. Take calmness vibe that writing there you go so let's get started. You're here to help us help us. I'm getting to the central comets in business but before we get started. Please tell us who you are personally and professionally. Thanks for the introduction bryant. Such pleasure to be here on the authority project and i empty. Kate warner imax. Father of eight children total of ten of us in the family. Then i live in texas. About five years i've lived in the mid west lived in florida a couple of other places but mostly getting it done right so i've had a chance to work at several different. Corporate environments have an mba masters in engineering. So i've been down the educational route two and of course through all those experiences. See my sheriff. Both success and failure that generated a process. That really focused me in this concept of calmness. Okay okay. I was thinking that you need disincentive with hbo children. Oh absolutely had eight of them. I had five of them right all natural born children who stepped right and you can just imagine. I just think if you have one or two kids which is a little bit more common writing and it is a Say jane comes up and ask for something or you take out price. Whatever and then and that donald come in and then you'll spend some time with him. Well wait. Five kids work is that you multiply that by two and a half right. Just a constant stream of blah blah blah blah blah blah. Shift shift chip shift. Yeah so i suppose that is where some of the some of the concepts released the need for these concepts so began awesome awesome Take us into the project that you're currently working right now. Which occurred project. I'm working on a project. Actually that that is launching as a program. The program itself has called stressed to success. And that. but that's really the end. Let's begin at the beginning. Which is a method that i developed to to address the issue with with myself a chronic anxiety. So even though i'm doing all this stuff right. I had an underlying issue of chronic anxiety that that had developed in my own life and i was only two years old. I was in some kind of accident. I can't really explain what what triggered it but there is something about that loss of control. It happened that day in florida on the back of the bike. Where i just it. It triggered a panic scenario. Right now i i know. There's there's there's probably not that many in the audience experiences personally but there's there's several million folks in the us at a minimum that that have some form of anxiety that's like clinical level that something that's treatable by hand. This is big of as attention in my life. And i carry through on the oldest experience talking about alter these educational opportunities as well as in in the corporate environment until in one particular very difficult political scenario at one corporation. I win at a total shutdown. And at that point i had it was it was it was point that i'm sure a lot of a lot of your guests have reached at some point or another way that you simply realize shift must be made right or else or else they. The alternative is so much more negative than than if you don't make that shift and so i began putting the pieces together. I have a little bit of martial arts background. And some other stuff that that i put the. Nra began focusing us some training efforts and really put thousands of hours of training into developing a way to overcome this chronic anxiety. That were nearly would take you know. Therapy prescriptions perhaps a lot of support groups. Things like that to manage anxiety. But i need to do eliminating zayed. Because i i have a lot of aspirations. I want to move forward. I want to be able to give back right and that was one thing. Is that the the sixth seventh and eighth children in my family. Were all adopted. Art at my part of my give back opportunity where we're able to go out into an eastern european orphanage and and and finding that needed a home desperately before they were aged out of the system and moving in adult institutions where they were gonna have a time of surviving and it's my vision to go back and and help other families find children that they can they can help and bring them out of the orphanages a back in the families. But in order to do that i've got a i've got to get some stuff out on my own right in the business world and so that's put all that together and that's where this concept of center of columnist came from gazette through the method that i developed which i called the decay method of anxiety elimination. I found my own personal center calmness as i shared this with a couple of clients. Just one on one. I found that they were able to find their own center of columnists as well. So it was a transferable method not to teach and from there. I started the podcast senator columnist to start a discourse in a conversation in bring multiple solutions. Actually not even including my own but looking at other solutions that are out there for the audience to find ways to reach their own center of columnists and then from there. I began thinking about the the corporate applications. Where i know for sure because i was in those scenarios where you stressed out. You're out of control. You don't quite have the avenues. Are the directions that that would get you to the point of success. Because there's somebody in your way is a political agenda working against your project or any number of different scenarios that exist and are kind of artificially there with inc's or even or even medium sized businesses where not everyone's interests are aligned with the direction of the business right and we'll get into three three components of overcome that but you put all that together and that's where the stress to success program came from because i know there's a lot of folks in corporations that are stressed. I was and the solution. They need a quick solution because they don't have time to go to the himalayan mountains meditate for six months right. I need something right now to get this done in india back to work if you will and get back to being productive and productive but fruitful and successful right where they said that's great stuff that's great staff because i i guess just knowing some of the corporate world is like i think the biggest thing for corporate world of being stressed out that you kinda get stressed out with every mistake every mistake is like why. Why did you like. It was like like like like like the world's going to end. If you one big mistake so i think some of that deliberate enemies just in the nature of competition writer you want us libyan even this much and feel that if you have you lost everything even though that's that's not really true. That's a reception If the strong perception absolutely so tell us tell us tell us what. What is your daily routine. Look like my daily routine will right now. Because i'm in a developmental mode it is. I'm pretty much wall to wall. And that's why. I need a method like mine to moving right so i will not. I'm already added to the. I'm still in a corporate job right now. So i hit into the working strategy work right now so where. There's a lot of coordination meanings Some kind of inherent in natural conflict as a result of that plus the regular course of business customers calling seven. There's a ladder a lot of moving parts and to manage in the corporate environment. And then after that. I'm working on training digital marketing Almost podcast as well. And and i'm working on that all the way through the evening Some time with the kids at night wife and then go back into it the next day pretty much so it's it's a fast rolling at least at the present time awesome stuff man. That's awesome awesome So this this scenario here so we have a business. It's just one person right. Whistled for noor. We have all the hats. We have families right in naturally as the business goes on. You're going to feel some type of burn out. It's just it's inevitable Until you're able to get into a place where you can get an assistant. Get a team going into that kind of thing. So overwhelmed overwhelmed. How do we deal with it. That's the question. Well there's a. There's a three step process that i like to call out in these are if you will three stages they may they may occur simultaneously or in individual might choose to go to them stepwise but the first step and actually the most difficult one simply to acknowledge the overwhelm. I find. It allows also preneurs as well as managers in the corporate world believe that they're indestructible right and they just with more put more effort in right just put through more gas on the fire in will arise and and And out all the opposition will be able to keep moving for a bit as as you mentioned it. Really only relate or results in burn out. I'll rather than rather than you know. I. it's not exactly like a rocket engine right where he put more energy into it. And you just keep moving forward a little bit quicker usually burn out you get a little bit of an explosion or whatever but the first step then is is simply to acknowledged that okay. Yes i. I realized that i'm overwhelmed. I need i need to change something up to To keep moving forward and just that initial step back you to think about your engage in the moment and you're just working working working really not unlike the schedule i'm working with are now step back for just a moment like i did sunday morning. I was actually doing a meditation time. Where he just sat back and realize well who who am i in this moment and and that helps to be able to see the stress for what it is and be able to acknowledge okay. Yeah i am stressed now. My method doesn't require that you even identify the source of the stress. Only that you're stressed at once. Once you see that then suddenly that becomes a problem that you can solve right. And that's where my decay method of activation comes in the next step is to is to activate my body. Master is that we have. We don't choose to use most of the time you're there were too busy or for whatever reason we neglect that part of our existence where we're not taking that that brief moment to step back and activate the energy flows and and and restore our strength before we go into that three which is to achieve. And of course we've been trying to achieve right up to the point of burnout out right to overwhelm the stress in. Take just a moment. It doesn't take very long when you get good at this to activate the mind body master in creed that level relaxation and columnists that's always available to us. If we would only just reach out and grab it author these methods right and then and then go out and achieve not just what we were to achieve before when we ran the but perhaps even more. Because now we're taking steps with clarity and the clarity that comes from you. Like sation columnists dip grabs assistant. Get the border or and engage in a collaboration. A joint venture and matter matter of fact took a columnist moment in a moment ago as i was speaking with another colleague and an idea that he had brought up some months ago. That just went right over my head hit me in a different way and it was just because my mindset it shifted and i realized while there was a lot of power in in when he was suggesting rather than taking the extra what dozens or hundreds of hours of time to spend on my own idea generation of oregon idea except reach out and grab it absolutely so funny that you say that i talked to a caught a Calling in my last week. And he's like brian when you just do it. Well you know. I was giving them more diseases like gazetted. A brian stop it. Just just just put it out there. You just do it also. Sometimes you just need that need to hear somebody else. Say it I think let me put to this question about being anxious. Maybe like maybe for like a new new central client or a new event or maybe just anxious. Because you had this. Politics is to do list. That's just like so thick that you you. can't you get anxious just from just a mental mental. Like you know overwhelmed just like how. Am i going to do this. When i you know in you know hundred percent all three of those agai- potential opportunities if you will right to both experience i wanna be careful to to Not just suggest but say with some level of experience. Because i've been really working with us for about forty six years. Now right take take it off way back to my original trigger point is an anxiety and itself is is a. It's a it's a. It's a method of signaling danger. It's like an alert signal but what we're at creates difficulties when that alert so strong that it actually takes your strength away and that and that's the first thing that happens right eventually. You actually lose some of your breath you lose you know some of your heart function and in your muscles are like like in in a quiver tension state if in a in a full panic attack scenario where you completely dysfunctional. Completely shut down other initial warning is not necessarily bad to this isn't about suppression right. Wanna feel better but then you have to let zainy inform you and help to take you to the next point but in any of those scenarios. It's not so much The anxiety of course is a dangerous thing. Okay i've got an unknown client right. I've got an unknown a set of tasks that i even finish them. I'm not sure what the result is going to be so at the same time out for whatever reason decided that these are on my task lists and they must be completed. Coming up. there's thousand unpredictability is in an in an event that that needed to be managed. And i need to have control over all thousand while none of those are really a hundred percent. True right there there. A perception and really. It's it's the the mind expanding into each of the potential issues in those scenarios Don't yet exist. Even though they might have they creates the feelings i-i-in slow decay method actually works to shutdown that response. So it's it's not that the initial alert signal which is information is is necessarily lost because the anxiousness once once you've noticed it gets you to the point where you will actually take action and that's not bad at all right But what it does. Is it the amplifies. The full body response so that so that you're not stuck in that in a way it's sort of like visiting emotion but not as we heard before not basking in it or not letting it overwhelm or or belt. You buy just okay. I'm going to visit it. But then i'm gonna i'm gonna take action based on what i know to be true. And what's interesting. Is that once you pull yourself out of that that That tempts that. Tenseness are the tension of up fooling or a full anxiety attack. You get clarity right as the first thing you achieve with that. And then intuition informs will. What's the next task. That's on the list. When like if you're if you're if you're approaching somebody new perhaps somebody of of even greater authority than yourself and your nervous about alma gonna approach this person who's got more credit than me. So as intuition informs how you're gonna approach that person maybe it's another contact. Maybe you bring a gift. Maybe there's some action you can take on the way into to warm that connection before you actually make it right. And so as the intuition of forms from a perspective of clarity and you start to achieve a level of confidence right with with your approach with what you now have to do. Although it may look daunting at first. I you well really out of out of the hundred things need to be done. There's only three that. I have to do right now now if i don't do them right now i'm going to be but there's only three that i had to do right now and then you proceed from clarity to confidence to control right so now. Now you're in a much more precise mindset to actually attack each those three well informed if you will. I don't wanna use the research and imply that this is a very difficult But but really it's a. It's a thought process that resembles our research if well but it's intuitive and gets to the point where you know exactly which precise points ahead due to move forward and then and then you've actually made it productive use of anxiety if you're able to go through the great stuff man. I love that. I love that. So let me let me talk about triggers Like a season of doubt. Because you're in a business Still you're trying your best right. Things are working. Something's not working. Somethings working sometimes. You have these highs. He had his lows In the back of your mind you here. Do you think you hear the this. The signs of you know only you know. The most businesses fail within five years. Then then you know you're not gonna get this result monetize as much as you thought you then all these things are like crashing in on you. You know these. These doubt doubt doubt out doubt. How'd you get to the point where you're you know you're Yourself with positivity something to get over that how do you. How do you deal with that. While the first thing that i would i would say on that is With regards the methodology. That i use is really your your how how much those about really influence your forward direction depends a lot on. How much tension your carry right. So so if you're if you're tencent and say can take it in the seeds of doubt for quite some time or if perhaps even gotten feedback from friends or family sang. Wow you're way out on a limb there. I don't know what's going to happen. I'm not sure if you're gonna make it Any any kind of Negatively they might actually be receiving not just in in concept into your into your mind but actually directly from folks that are that are actually working to influence you in a negative way Perhaps i'm not. I'm not blaming them. It could be very unconscious on their par- debrincat that info generate a lot of internal tension. And then that seed of doubt. They may come in from the news or may come in when you hear about a business failure or from any other source that the internet perhaps just as as you're scrolling through your facebook which admittedly supposed to be spending a ton of time we knew right you just catch a like a warning signals summits as one of the economy's gonna collapse or whatever they say. What's the point you get this. What what's the use or the doubt really begins to take her in. But if you if you have an informed process and you have a direction that you're clear on because you've previously achieved the clarity as to what you're doing what you're purposes and a have a passion built around that'll having having done all that work up front and then simply releasing the tension may have built up. Well now that seat about still coming right. So it's it's not likely that you'll be able to avoid them all but when it comes it's gonna bounce off because it's not able to resonate against i think guitar string own maybe The head of a drum right. I think they have a drums. Probably a better analogy in this case if dramas Mallon it just. You know it's it's really nothing. It makes a little sound but nobody gets you excited about it but if you stretch that drum and he hit that with the mallet when i can hear it in the next room and that's what this the scene of doubts doing right. It's it's hidden at ten drama and you're able to hear it in in your head so loud that it's shutting down but if you just provide that you reached that center columnists in suddenly you take the same hit. Maybe avoid some of it was with some wisdom. You take the same him but he just doesn't have the same unlimited So can you give us Daily that we can do today. That can make an impact force now possibly. Is there anything like that that we can do today. Yes absolutely. I can give you give you a a four. Another four is not always the best number depending on your culture. We'll tell you a pre work and then a three step sequence about that in the pre work is you simply to relax your muscles just as as your like right now. I'm standing actually can relax my muscles all away from top my head down to the soles of my feet that's a very straightforward practice sending. A lot of folks would would know about that then in the second. Step that i take in my sequences. I actually put my hands right over my belly. Button can put my mind. Focus right there in the emotional center at i just observed but then with intention drive that tension and there will be tension there It shows up almost like the surfrider. You've got you've got waves of emotion that coursing through your emotional center with an engine. You call those down until it. Re- represents or resembles like a smooth pond right so that that's really the first activation element and then from there. We go up to the to the head right in the end of the thought the thought process and of course is very easy to visualize all different thoughts coursing thoughts business thoughts a family thoughts of perhaps if you have a faith or a hobby or all that usually hits you at the same time you can you can do the same observations in your head just by just by putting your mind here focusing right and just a first observing and then just allowing although thoughts just to settle in fall i can imagine actually them falling from their energize state into just settling into kind of into the ground if you will or or into the latte and you can generate just that alone will generate a lot of mental piece and then the third move That i'd recommend for your audience is actually put your focus in on your heart right and we all have. We all have a purpose and a passion. We're all moving forward. Someone right. if you're not figure out what you're going that will be the first step right sensory. My sequences is actually put mine. Focus on the heart. Which is actually a form of radio station right heavy. Are you familiar with the concept of of Somebody executing an action or doing something and and it said as as folks watch them while the heart's not in it and part of might sequence we make sure the it right by putting your mind space right there and actually radiant in gratitude for the opportunities that we have and we all have something to be grateful for and gratitude is a key part of the practice in actually changes your entire vibration. You knew that such that you come out energize you come out ready to ready to work ready to get some stuff done. I love that that. That's great man. I love that that is perfect. This is this has been great man. I do have one last question or get out of here. I access to all of my guests when they're here So goes something like this. They hear you. They have some of the same interests on the same path. That you that you're in maybe there's doing corporate world I do. I know people. Instant kuroda watched the show also that people who solo preneurs. Watch the show in listen in there trying to still figure it out in there. There's you know there's going to be overwhelmed. And and maybe they maybe they maybe they do also want to help people in this path to that you that you that you've done. Can you show them some gimson. A tip or two of how to be an authority in the space of helping people with the same but this these same types of on emotions High categorize it. So if if i understand your question you're asking how someone might become an authority in the space of helping corporate or overworked professionals who are leading the personal or professional life to to eliminate anxiety stress and overwhelm correct. Yes why was the first step and and what. I have enjoyed a most in my journey through my bag. Cast at central problem is the first up to that. Is simply to find your own center of columnists right so when i reach out and work with and speak with other professionals that work with emotional transformation emotional management or even health. They they they look back and say wow. You're very calm right instead. I think that's a critical first step as you find your own center of columnists in the second step would be to figure out. How is it that you develop that senator of columnist in it differs for each of us right because there are hundreds of ways to do this but i would say the key is to to distill. What process was it. How did you get there and distill it into something. That's teachable in a very short format parliament. My format is about ten minutes long. I can take someone from start to finish through to the sequence in just ten minutes. Does netflix ten minutes. Perhaps to thirty minute lecture. Perhaps it's short webinar. But still your process downright and then the last and final step of of this. I think is just be willing to tell your story. Share share the dark moments. Share the moments. That where you where. You kind of revisit. The pain of the past and once you once you lay out that story and and put it in front folks. Powerful it establishes authority. I love it. Incredible stuff man. Incredible stuff I feel calm. I feel calm is it is calmer award comes word. I feel more calm now. When we first started here is one of the great stuff. I in the everybody to actually go to go. Look at this washes guys show. 'cause i i told you before that every time i watch your show i just feel calm this komo come about me. Which is i mean. I think everybody needs that. Especially in this year of twenty twenty Right now so please tell people where they can find you after the show. Well i'd say for anyone who is willing to reach out to me by email. I know that's the difficulties days Given all the different the different different methods of social media communication. But if anyone reaches out to me at relax me decay at gmail.com. Be happy to supply a copy of my book which introduces a system. The decay method. As well as i have a website which introduces some of the things. I'm working on it. Decay warriner dot com. That's decay k. w. a. r. i. Double in dot com awesome stuff. Thank you so much sir. Thank you brian. This is a a relaxed. A very very laxed episode as as you can tell by email You're going to get their listen to this guy. This guy is the real deal for us. Go check him out. Connect with him. And i i feel better already. I feel better already. I'm definitely going to do these steps. These exercises that. I need because It can be stressful. I mean i mean everyone gets dressed right so look into this look into the Into decay stuff There is this different definitely proven. Method matters that you can take so. I'm great people before you get out of here please. I want to impress upon you to go to the authority letter. 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Episode 30.0: Im not against sexy ladies

Bitches on Comics

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Episode 30.0: Im not against sexy ladies

"Bitches on comics I'm your host. Se Fleet. I'm Sarah Century the writer not the Queen of the fourteen hundred. You might have read about in history class. We have a question from Mike on Twitter. Have Y'all talked about slash considered bad girl comics and some recent reboots slash inventions of the property is which played Van Parrella Chastity Painkiller Jane Et Cetera. And attempts to make them less male gaze centric so basically you just want to know what we think of a lot of these comment characters that have been really over-centralised hyper sexual as as we say totally and you know we talked on other episodes about how the ninety s was an interesting time for comics and a lot of these have a root in that era of becoming very like okay but creating about comics. Is You keep making more of them. A chance to redeem or adjust some representations. Let's say Yeah definitely this is like your wheelhouse. Tell me about your your comedy. I'm obsessed with all of those comics. Van Pelt for instance around since the sixties but she gets revamped in the ninety S and revamping. But she gets you know. Rebooted very much Morris actualized. She becomes extremely sexualize around the time. She's still really good character. She has only gotten better in the last several years. And it's mostly because a lot of women who have been writing her. There's been men who did really good takes on Van Perlas well. One of my very favorite runs was vamp rail volume for where she first gets her long term girlfriend. Obviously people do great stories of either gender. It's just more likely the woman is going to do a great job on a character like Van Perla because this is a character that has been so hyper sexually so many times by men and then you still even now you go to buy a Van. Perla comic and the cover. Is You know negotiable. Sometimes it'll you something that's really great looking. And so many of the best artists in the world work on that comic. But sometimes you also end up with the brokeback physician that we talked about before. Or You just have like a cover. That's basically just vamp role is ass or something or like just her crotch. She's on her hands and knees or something all of those things where you're just anything to. Your Point Sarah. The reality is if you're a gender minority you know what it's like to be treated like a piece of meat. Yeah and so you are going to be thinking about that when you represent someone in a comic. Maybe has historically been represented that way. We're not against Van Barilla's costume whatever she wants to wear. We're like more power to Ya. Honestly I WANNA make a note that there's different characters in different moods and different tone if Jean Grey shows up dressed like vamp rela than it's out of character and it just doesn't make sense van Perla dressing like Pearla makes perfect. Sense is literally part of the plot that she is from a planet where everybody dresses that way. Yeah like she was like stripping in front of her therapist. And she's like I don't know why you all stifle yourself so much with all this cloth. Yes yes I believe in love this and support this and you go be yourself and Perella. She's empowered and that's something that's very important in that helps you differentiate because never have been. I mean I'm a lesbian and I'm not against sexy lady is but I am definitely against objectification and there's a huge difference between those two things. A lot of people make bad faith arguments. There's a lot of bad faith arguments of Oh we'll loop was different about it if I do this way or that way and it's just you know that you know what the difference is we can tell when we look at it if it's something that is obviously just kind of male centric porn or whatever early soft porn probably but still you know like. She appears almost entirely naked on a lot of covers. So you know. And that's alienated some feminist. I don't always think that that's correct because I think that as we said she completely owns right. Yeah but there was a huge crop of women that dressed exactly like that in the nineties. Yeah regardless of if it really fit their personality or exactly Angela barely whereas e close but she's wearing armor so it makes sense same with Red Sonja. There's also a fucking God. It's it's a little different when these characters. Maybe don't feel cold the way that you and I feel cold right right. Like Squirrel girl does not wear any of it even though she has for think about this but I think it's interesting that like you know there are other ways to depict people. Yes I think. The the new stories of IMP- Roller are some of my very favorite comics. Right now. I'm pushing almost everything by MORVAN PERLA COMICS THAN I by X. Men COMING STRAIGHT. Now which is very surprising to me but true and worth it and I think the Red Sonja van Parrella team ups are great. Because that's you characters that are constantly dismissed and then they are kind of finding their power now and it's a lot more fun to read honestly so I love those series. I think that they're so good. And I think that one of the biggest things with Red Sonja in one of our patriots exclusive extended episodes. I talked a little bit about red. Sonya's original background which was essentially her being punished with chastity vow for getting assaulted herself and so that was so problematic and so bad and it was all written by men for the longest time Gail Simone came along and gave us such a powerful Red Sonja and you like chills. I've you haven't read Gail Simone's on new buzz. Then you're missing out. You should definitely check it out. It's great to me. That's like they almost reset the character entirely because that element of foundational slut shaming that was present in the early days is gone because it's written by Gail Simone written by women somebody who has a vested interest in Red Sonja being powerful as opposed to somebody who is in this. You Know Hyper sexualizing outfit. And doesn't have a lot of character. Grow recapitulating a reality. That happens to survivors right. We don't need that. We don't need us not with commentary on IT OF WHY. That's most exactly so yeah. I think that that is another case of greatness and then we just keep going through this list. I mean there's characters were sexy lady characters that haven't really been revamped. You have like lady death and stuff like that. I think the lady death is kind of still the same and you know whatever I don't want to be mean about lady death because whatever she is fine to me. I always make those adjustments to where I go. There is obviously a market for this somebody. Who's coming in here and buying these comics? So I don't WanNa say like don't do it just because I'm not a big fan but I do want to be clear that there is a reason that women feel uncomfortable often. Buying that comment absolutely absolutely. I also think that there's something in. It's exactly what Gail Simone did with Red Sonja. It's exactly what happens with the leader chastity where it's not just we're GONNA put more clothes on them more we're GonNa let them be in charge their story. Those are important things are they can be important things right like those are great shirt. Whatever but it's almost like the actual storyline. Lets them come face to face with this sort of discrimination right and let them deal with it? In a way where it's super empowering so chastity storyline gets to move from being like the victim to be like this in she's bad ass even in the early stuff. I don't mean to like denigrate that at all maybe I do. I don't know asterisk. I'll come back to this. I won't and you won't know they didn't so chastity is just such a cool character. She she like blade. She's got a lot of blades skills except she's like this cute little hobby. Not that I mean it's hotting. I'm here for Blade. She's just a different kind of hockey. He's also an actor and she's like a struggling actor and just you know maybe she's good at which is not without good out is unclear and I just love her because she is this feminine and not and violent and not and vampire and not and whatever binary you have she just breaks them down and I think that's such a credit to the Leah Williams. Run Right yes and I think that's like we can take characters who have been misrepresented hyper sexualize. What have you? And we don't have to. Just throw them out wholesale. I get why some people might avoid titles like fair. Do what's right for Yulia by what's comfortable for you and everything but and I understand too because I run whenever I was living in rural Missouri and I would walk around with Vamp Rela Comic. That's a naked lady. You know that gives it. That makes you kind of unsafe. Because people are homophobic. I mean not everybody obviously but you know a lot of homophobes and places certain places in the world and so whenever that is the case then that makes it hard to go by that comment because you might get any level of harassment because of it for being queer also just for being a feminine read or Female Person. Yeah if you wear your outfits whatever you want you will get cat called in and to bring that comparison. I think sometimes like Oh you must be cool with the Salud economically. Must be cool with this right. That's not how any of that works. No and also you know there's just various reasons why it would be not always the most comfortable thing or you know there's times where you'll read a comic and you go. Why is this character not wearing anything? You know those kind of the deal breaker for me. A lot of the Times as one very just don't understand why she's being constantly sexualize. Vamp Rela is one of the most sexual characters so it makes perfect sense again. You look at this character. Almost every story is about her hooking up with somebody and having you know all of her side stuff which is her being a detective in all of this stuff that requires a ton of intelligence and also looking at humanity and thinking you have a lot of hang ups that I just was never raised in a culture that had those so all of that to me. I think makes her so interesting. I love that about her. I love how she's constantly wire. Humans like yeah. I don't know Van Parrella. You tell me there's one where in the Geordie Bel Air Red Sonja van pro series where this guy's wearing a wedding ring and he hides it and Van Pearls Thought Processes. I don't understand marriage. It's a very strange custom. But I will respect it even if you don't like enter head because that's like the custom of where I'm at right now. So Meyer or to respect them. Some kind of monogamous boundaries. That are ridiculous to me but you know what it's Y'all's thing. The person who's doing wrong is in that situation. So what's always the best about being prelate? She's so intelligent and she has such a interesting view on humans decisive right like she just sees right through the bullshit. Yeah she's a really. This is like your thing is kind of dumb. So I also think teeny Howard did hack slash and hack slash was always a pretty fun comic. It's very girl in hip huggers with a chainsaw. Kind of situation you know really usually wears armor. You know some kind. Maybe some jeans just in case something happens with chainsaw but hack slash act slash g-string and yes. She's better now. It's a better comic teeny Howard takes over. Did a couple of runs like quite remember how much but it made her be. More empowered. More intelligent had a lot of qualities of a final girl or something. Oh I did think it was cool. I didn't know this that Van Parrella was created by forrest j Ackerman but also trina Robbins Yup for women's Comex. Yeah so to me. That even gives her a history. That is feminist. She is so interesting interviews when she talks about van. Perla too because she's the person I think that maybe even I wouldn't say coined the term but the person who I remember most explicitly using the word hyper sexualization to describe the difference between sexualization. Because she was talking about Van Perlas she said I designed a costume and leader. People hyper sexual is it. That has literally nothing to do with me. I'm like I think it's so brilliant about that. Is it really makes us confront that? We think certain clothes make someone sexualize or not and make them deserving of being sexual or not yeah. Zika ridiculous clothing cannot change. It should not change anything about how someone has experienced in the world whether or not a woman is wearing shorts or a burqa or woman is in a bikini. It's your fucking business. Yeah let her wear what she wants to wear or not. And that is so frustrating to me in the comics. Because I think so often. It's also the way we're so voyeuristic. Mulcher and we are so we are trained in the mail gays because that's what most films are made from. That's what most art is made from the becomes popularized. I'm not saying like you know your people are making there are lots of different perspectives but what gets celebrate a. We'll get celebrated. What makes the big dollars you know? And so I think it's like why did we ended up getting mad at Van. Parrella WHAT ARE WE MATT. Trina Robbins like they didn't do anything wrong. Yeah and what's also really interesting about? I think that just entire situation is that at a certain point. They tried pretty recently to redesign fan. Perlas costume and make it kind of jam rush where it has. She's wearing shorts and trench Colin a lot of clothes. She's wearing a lot of close compared to what we normally see. And I think that to me was just a weird part of her to be the hill that you die on. I guess I it's fine to redesign costumes. Every TIME FAME. Perla shows up in a different costume. It looks great. You know. There's not really you can do about that. She just looks great but I think that one of the things is that VI imprint. Having more clothes on doesn't change how you're drying her and it doesn't change the position she's in and it doesn't change. What the vibe of the CENA's so to me. I always think it makes sense that she wears this. Trina Robbins design. That doesn't bother me at all like and there's just a difference in how people draw her and design. It was interesting because that arc is good where Caitlyn is doing the writing and it was a female creative team for the most part which was nice but at the same time kind of Van Perla showing up wearing a ton of clothes. It just gave the book at different feeling away because in some ways it it also like you said it didn't make her not sexualize. She still has a ton of cleavage. Oh Yeah I mean. That's the thing is. She is sexy no matter what but also whenever you go out of your way to be like okay. So she's feminist now because she's wearing more close to me was you know James's Feminine. Yeah exactly I love out Vampire Ellen van Parrella caused for me as a single character. I think she calls one of the best dilemmas. I could have around. Being a feminist and comic books is do we have the right to write her off wholesale and unite both come to the same conclusion like no no. I love her way that like. I don't think that being slutty in whatever way you define that I tell us slept for a very long time. I don't think that makes you not a feminist. I don't think that makes you a bad person. And so why would I apply that to this comic character? Who uses her body this way because she wants to? That's great that's wonderful. That's the fucking dream right. The dream is for everyone to be able to walk around wearing what they want when they want and be left fuck alone yeah and I think that sometimes we make the mistake of being like. Oh let's let's sanitize her because that solves this other problem and it's like it doesn't do anything we know about. Yeah and people were used to certain look from Van Perla and kind of changing it up. I think people will be like yeah. Whenever I'm like sharing a cover from one of the books I have a hard time during one of the new costume. Just because it feels pantries sends right her censor her support her to be her bray. Yeah and I don't WanNa make. It seem like feminists wouldn't have a reason to criticise vampire or to be sure of because there is a ton of stuff where you read it and you just go yet. This was definitely somebody who love her like I do. I guess is fine but she has a long history of really good stories as well so I just think that she's a character that you can't really dismiss and I obviously just love her all of these characters. Actually that we just talked about. I never got really into which played. I'm sure that if you're reclaiming it it's great. We talked actually pretty recently about how much we didn't like Michael Turner's supergirl so I wasn't a big fan of the are in their original run and alienated me from it. What about Painkiller Jane? That's owned by Amanda Conner. Palmy audie paper films. Yeah and they did that. Great run on Harley Quinn. So it's kind of the other side of that. If you liked their run on that read those comics are really fun. I think that that might be how they met. I don't know cute cute audible so yeah I don't know I like all of these characters pretty much. I'm not a big fan of which played but to school. Whatever yeah I think Painkiller James. The only one. I didn't which way that I wasn't. I think it's more. I haven't had much painkiller Jane right but when you walked in I was like I would die for chastity. Oh Yeah thank God. No I get that. I get the right response. It really is. Yeah I mean it's fine. Sometimes there's sexy lady and Comex and it's good but sometimes it's awkward and there's just a constant line that we have to be engaging with and drawing her ourselves comic of the week is Angela as guards assassin. The main story is written by Karen. Gillan Hensel by Phil Jimenez inked by Tom Palmer and with colors by Romulo Fajardo. The sub story is written by Marguerite Bennet and Kirin Jilin with by Stephanie Hands. This is your your jam. This is my. This is everything I love in the world. He's like encapsulated in this comic. I love it I just love it and then I love it and then I love it some more so basically. This is the story of the sibling. Too Low key and four and they don't know she exists because okay because she belonged to a different publisher in the so that's the real reason she belong to a different publisher and then she ended up in. Marvel's hands out of lake. The Weirdest Little Switcheroo you've ever heard of but that happened in comics kinda regularly during that time where like all of a sudden everything belong to marvel and DC specifically independent ten years before something and then it was like Oh No they're all in universe so now I guess we'd better figure out where the Heck Angela comes from. They figure it out so instead of there being nine realms there's a tenth realm that Angela was raised in but as yet heaven and as far as Thorin low key no they don't know the rub exists but as far as Odin and Freya are concerned their infant was stolen from them and killed by the Angels of Heaven H. E. V. E. N. I believe and it's the tenth room. All those are the same place. Angels Heaven Tenth Room But then whoops it doodle. We get reconnected to the tenth Brown through something out of original sin. I can't even remember what it is. I think he goes there. And like I'M GONNA kill some people for killing my sister that he's a pretty fucking funny and she's like I'm not your sister you dick face and then her mom is like look. I'm not your real mom awkward. That's why you don't have a and it is. You know that's not this comic but this comic is basically it starts with Angela. Repeating what would happen before she's stealing the child of Odin and my belief is free again but it might be a different woman. I can't remember and she stealing the baby and every bug you can't feel babies and she's like yes I can. I'm Angela. I'm made of awesome. She has this like gorgeous armor just head to toe. She has some mystical ribbons. That are never explained but are Kinda like a prehensile tail but like eight of them or four of them. I think maybe might exaggerating. And it turns out the baby's possessed it's not like she is like stealing a child and kidnapping someone But she is she is. She's not she is to get the whatever possessing the baby out of the baby but anyways that's sort of like the the wider story what this is really about is the romance between. Angela and her laid the Sarah who is a major and a bad ass fighter and the coolest and is an angel heaven. It has jokes. One liners is very good narrator situation. We definitely have xena Gabrielle Match. Up here where we have somebody just narrating the warriors amazing actions which signed me up every time. I will be there if a story. There is nothing that will stop me and Sarah is just exactly what you're saying counterbalance to Angela Angeles very self serious and very intense and super hot. I mean Sarah's also super hot but Sarah's like a little bit calmer and may suffer being yeah it makes fun of her being serious and scary and then kisses her on the mouth like a lot and it's like they're just so in love and I know you have to read every single one of the comics in this run. It is so cute. There's like a side story where they run into the Guardians of the galaxy. And it's like some of my favorite guardian stuff. Sarah and Angela Kisa bunch because Marguerite Bennet has got our backs. She knows what we need. And it is a Los Angeles so much and I love Sarah so much. If you don't know Sarah is a trans woman. She is fucking awesome and she and Angela kind of fall in love through their experience of both being outsiders from the angels because the angels have a an investment in binary gender how they organize their everyday life so women do the warrior fighting stuff and men are scholars and essentially monks. The interactions between Angela. And Thor are amazing. Because Thor is very angry and ready to take Angela out and Angela does not give a damn and so it's very interesting and fun to watch for his full one hundred percent most posturing and to just completely fall flat. Okay so I want to talk about this scene where Odin son decides that everything's fine. You've got the baby here we all are. You just have to the baby and Angela. Just chuck the baby until like a pit of fire. There's more to it you know like I don't want to tell the whole story but there's more to it you know maybe she didn't totally just like actively murder this child but just the look on. His face is really amazing to be funny and Hilarious until funny. I it makes me think of Angela is just such a bad ass and such a wild card to the point of nobody can guess what is going to happen because I mean you know that would not be a thing. You would guess what happened absolutely that I was. I'm totally on the same page. That's one of the things I adore by. Angela is that she is doing. Angelus thing it you know me and I very seldom. I'm surprised what I'm reading story. And that just made my eyes go point like yeah and I think what's Nice about this run in particular between of Hell is also good at this too is. It's one of those ways where it's really distinct that I think some people forget when you're not reading multiple comics telling the same story which is that the comic is telling you the story from a certain perspective so we get to see four. Not Through thors is right to begin to see a thor. Who's like a little bit annoying? And we see Loki as like. You're not nearly as clever as you think you are like please back up and has the drop on you so. I don't know why you're even bothering exactly exactly and it's fun to see it from that side and I love thor and Loki in different depictions at different times for all kinds of reasons but angela brings some of the same cell seriousness that I think both of them have which is Kinda cute to see that runs in the family and manages to also be like highly unimpressed. You know like that's like her main state of being is like none of Y'all impress me isn't because she is the most impressive. Whenever she has the wings she gets that suit of armor. That is one of the most beautiful panels I think in a comic pretty much so watching the money. That's out of control. That whole idea says just and Sarah just standing there talking and being like. You're looking good like haggling. Can't tell you why I was going to say also in that same sense like the wings but also a lot of the times like some of the most beautiful panels are when Angela and Sarah are kissing. And there's just this way that they're depicted with the colors swirling around them and they just look like they're really in love and in a world where we don't get to see all of our characters kissing on the mouth poison ivy and Harley Hem. It's really amazing to know that you really do get to see that with Angela and Sarah I think love is so respected by the creators and by the comic itself and buy them. It's just super inspiring. I think yeah I loved it. It's epic it has a very feel a lot of ways but it goes a few steps further because it's a comic and they don't have a budget so they can and it was so good. There's just seems that will kind of You know. Take your breath away a little bit because the coloring is so gorgeous every part of it is just a really beautiful comic and two of the. Best Writers. I think that have been working for the last decade or so. You just can't beat the team up. And the fact that they really got to kind of reinvent this character alongside of the other things that they were reinventing like Jilin. Obviously the journey into mystery that focused on low key so you know ultra tomase well in this universe doing really kind of ingenuity things so young. Miss Extension was nice. I believe the next series. Are they only written by Bennett or believe so? Well you know they pass the torch you know but we'll it instead. Any Hans is is an artist who I just am obsessed with. I think that her work is just remarkable. I read a a two thousand nineteen comet called die and her work in it was just. Wow this is the first place I ever met her work and I was just like I'm in and it's nice now going back through and like seeing her name everywhere and being like. Oh Yeah that's why I love all of these comex. The art is so good. Yeah it's beautiful you. Kinda go wrong with this series pretty much. All of these creators are just at the very top of their game here. Early and Angela is just such an inning matic and underutilized character so highly recommend watching her babies and firepit some people on the mouth having a great time to the podcast check out our patron where Patriot dot com slash bitches on comics. We have lots of perks all kinds of levels. No matter what you think you can handle help us out because we love making this podcast and we gotta Pay Kate. Everybody's gotta eat including sound engineers. Also have this zine from Khartoum. Oh near called something right. And how did you find this? Actually I think it was via twitter. There was as in sale. That was happening. I believe and then she might have just shared. It talked about it. Something very cool. So it's a it's a zine based on Carta Encarta during his talking about her transition and about being on H. 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Episode 29.0: A tribute to Ace the wonder dog and all our pets

Bitches on Comics

33:49 min | 1 year ago

Episode 29.0: A tribute to Ace the wonder dog and all our pets

"The Bitch is on comics and I am one of the people on it. Se fleeing war. I am the other person who has on it. My Name is Sarah Century. You might have heard of me your favorite pets from comics and pop culture attribute to ace the wonder dog so they used the wonder dog. That's a good spot to start my dog as recently die eight and we miss him. He's a very good Doggie. He loved the PODCAST. He loved Sarah and Kate who's often present for the podcast and he would like stand outside the door and wait for us. It's a very sweet dog and I miss him very much in so I was like I. WanNa do something for him. Let's talk about our favorite pets from comics. I also were honored. Like your cats mean everything to you. I am says if you follow me on social media you understand that my entire world revolves around what my cats are doing in the moments that is. You have the cutest cats to meet both of them. They're so different and shockers so small. Shock is a very tiny with a terrible large attitude problem. Which is great and very very similar to her mother. She kind of looks like me a little bit. I don't know we both have long noses. We have the same expressions because we always are looking at people like what is wrong with you. That's Of our natural face arresting. What is wrong with you face when I picture you and your cats? I picture the picture where you said. Never Talk to me or my cat's again army and my daughter's again names being super cute with her head poking out the leering face behind her. Oh this is a real special little. Kitty hurt by people in her life. And then she got taken in by the Dumb Friends League and she has respiratory issues and things like that but she is the happiest cat in the world and she says just because you say your name. Sometimes I think I was like Oh hi nips And you can hear her from three rooms over. She has a very loud. And it's very charming very endearing And then I have a little dog who is brother. Po Impo is just weird little shorty. Who's read and Super duper cute? And He loved as with his whole heart and soul and he would stand underneath ace and ace's like a big black lab slash German shepherd. Cutest thing in the world. We had a painting of them and it told it. Looks like they're about dropping album like they look really cool. Yeah that's the best. We're so lucky. Love Them Society so my first one. I'M GONNA start with is like the saddest this satis satisfy but like has a very sweet ending But like is hard to read if you loved pets so call we three and it is about an arm of the military that does experimentation on some pets to create like drones essentially like operated by pets. They've made semi sentient so they can make decisions and basically the three prototypes is dog. Which is one cat is to in bunnies three and their names are banned it tinker and hammer the bunnies name q learning bar and Super Sad story but then at the end lake the have a family. The bunny saves the dog and the cat from another experiment. That was made very poorly. And so or thing did not handle continuing to be on this earth but then didn't tinker finally person and they become like a little family and it's really sweet so I always lived that one because it's such a sad story and I fucking love it. It's so sad I you know. I'm vegan reading. That comic is extremely extremely hard. Yeah you just will weep. There's no avoiding it. You can't do it but is like a classic story how pets when it comes to comics. Who will think of every time? There's a super cutie pie chewy captain. Marvel's kitty cat slash floor can who becomes goose right. Yeah in the film. Is Goose also floor Kim of lurking flaking? Kitty Soak you Yeah I love that cat. What a great cat. Yeah when they did like a Promo for the movie that was just the cat everybody likes like oh it was like Oh I'll be there. I'll see you. Oh is that a timer with the kitty playing with it. I'll put that on my phone. That looks like a good movie to see. I think I'll watch it. Jessica cruise the green lantern in DC has a lot of cats and a very well stated affinity for cats. If you DC superhero girls. There's ones where she's like holding. Three cats rattled so couldn't relate to that more pretty strongly. Relatable for me also streaky. The Super Cat. Streaky is great because streaky just goes around thinking mean thoughts about everybody because cats are evil like women or whatever the trope that women are like cats so streaky always has mean things to thinking and supergirl just is constantly. What are you doing streaky? I love it. I love streaky. I love lying cat from saga. It's pretty much the only thing I like about saga lying when you lie lying. I just constantly calling people out trying to save their lives by like telling a little Phil and Lancaster lying. I love it. Yeah it's also very very big cat. Yeah Love Lion Cat. Yeah and then. Seeing the is so heartbreaking. Where the person is I did like a bad job or something in Lang Lang in. It's like oh no I love you. I don't think I got that far. That's adorable it was so hurtful I died is one that people share all the time and love the transfer politics right the the cat that has like the three faces yes he adopts the Kitty and then Lee around being later cat super q like level little mutated Kitty Kitty of the future who has about attitude. It's like you know Trans Metropolitan is about him. Being kind of a jerk and the cat is also the same exactly. Echoes the themes of the comic. Yeah for sure. Pets do resemble their owners. Isn't that curious? I absolutely adore old lace from runaways Both in the comics and in the TV adaptation. I love the adaptations old lace. Like I was glad got adapted when CG was really good because it's really believable in the relationship with arsenic very cute they have that like psychic connection and so I love old days. I love the idea league. Dinosaur being alive today deep pretty cool stuff. What about Uh Kiki's delivery service? Gd The cat. With the bonkers. Is You'll know that one. Yeah but no. I love that cat. The cat is so great. I can't leave off. Lockheed Kitty's dragon who's like kind of a pet and then also kind of like a normal being just like communicates differently. Yep which makes me luck. Even more lucky does really fun so cute always done. And it's so perfect because Kitty pryde would have a dragon. That is obsessed with her. Because we're all obsessed with exactly everybody is obsessed with Giddy pride and every comic that she's end so as well they and we should be. Data's cat spot spun spot so cute. What a relief. The end of generations is whenever spot comes crawling out of the wall. And data's spot you made it and they just embrace just the gentlest little spot survived for horses of swift wind and like show VACs Gandalf's horse those two are super duper cool. Swift funny in the reboot because swift in is like a labor organizer for horses which is the greatest concept. I've ever heard yeah and I adore it. Yeah also Danny Moon Stars Horse Bright Wind I of course and Aragon which is the Valkyrie source that she got from the Black Knight because the Black Knight got turned to stone and she was kind of like so is anybody GonNa Take. Care of this horse that's like has wings. No no I got it care of. And then whenever black neck gets out. He's like what happened to that horse and she goes. Oh Yeah I guess so so here but then by then Horsey had chosen a new owner so like name missed out. He had to go get a different horse. I love Nibley from Futurama. Oh is this very intelligent being who because he was left on the planet that was collapsing is cuteness instinct kicked in and he just acted like a little baby beauty by and so then he wears a diaper canned food talks. Like maybe and it's adorable and is also very intelligent being who are still adorable but they eat so much I love the Niebler must have like a pocket dimension inside like eats. Elephants is animals and like one bite. Yeah it is hysterical is and then of course. I have to shot out Robin Hobbs. The realm of the Elderly Saga night is was not a pet. But is like a wolf brother to Fitz Chivalry. And it's just like the coolest representation of this wolf. Who's like a human? You THINK YOU'RE SO SMART. You poor thing. Let me help you. Let me help you with your problems. And it's so sweet I totally totally love it. And of course lion from Steven Universe Literally contains a pocket dimension. This is like a running theme. The floor contains a pocket dimension. Niebler must does interesting I love Crypto. The Wonder Dog Super Dog. So crypto is the best in grant Morrison's new fifty two action comics ran. There's a story that's Christmas. Time AND CLERK. Who's lost crypto? Cryptos been gone for a really long time so he goes into the Phantom Zone and finds crypto. Oh Oh my God the tears that is another story where you just will die whenever she is just like a boy and his dog and it's like no way. Super Boy Crypto Talk. I am definitely putting Liz issue on the reading list as money you you'll cry but it's such a tender. The dog does everything for the owner league. The dog sticks it out and waits for Clark to come back. I love by. There's also this this kind of random dog which is midnight from the tick. Tv show. Oh Yeah and what I love about. Midnight is midnight as a super dog and of making fun of Crypto. All that and is not with what they're called like freedom five maybe they get killed by a super villain and midnights not. Their midnight is a black German shepherd and looks a lot like my dog as looks leg and we used to say that. Ace was kind of a philosopher and like a anaylyst. A French existentialist definitely pan sexual leg not into most people but was pretty deep and ends up becoming a self-help atheist and says there is no god. There's only dog a book tour and it's just like incredible and it's so funny and sweet and whatever I see it or sometimes I'll just watch the clips of that from the Dick. Because reminds me so much of my dog. Oh and also is just like if philosophizing dog is what I want most in the world. You know it is so fucking cute. It's so cute. I WANNA give a shout out to friend of the PODCAST TANNA door knocks cat Mr Spaghetti cat. Who made us all smile earlier today? Shoutout Mr Spaghetti cat. We love you Mr Spaghetti hat realist. Okay what is the story that you live with? The Squirrel shadow decades cat the Squirrel Shannon Slash cates cat. Shout out to the podcast again. The person who did the music for the podcast Gato or Katie. Taylor has a cat living in her house named Click Bait the kitten who is her roommate. Scott Gatto has bill the dog bill. Murray the dog the dog. This one's for you bill. Murray Bill Murray. I lived with bill for a while and I love bill. He's a really good dog. He was so obsessed with the cats. The we lived with the it was just so uncomfortable. We would walk around and it would just stop staring at those cats. It's been seven days later. You GotTa Stop Anyway. He's really cute also cute. It's heads the best house about your pets. People on the Internet a comic of the week is Constantine. The Hell Blazer written by James Tenney in the fourth and mingle art by Riley. Ross mom college by Ivan Plasencia letters by Tom Napolitano. This is probably my first favorite comic as someone read comics when I had read enough comics to be someone who bred comics. Do you know what I mean. Like every call because my favorite. Because I've never read comics before. This is incredible Batman Superman. And then it's like okay. Now I've read sixty seventy comics like now earning. Yeah like maybe having a little bit of understanding of what's happening in this genre. I love the art in this. One is probably the coolest. Constantine I love the are I think are totally changes. The tone of constant this book to me. I think for a really long time. Hell Blazer lost what was fun about. I'll yeah John. Constantine we had a lot of really dark and terrifying stories with him. That are really good through the entire original. Run of Hell Blazer. I would not ever disparage those stories. Because they're really fun to read Vertigo as a entity. I think just turned out some of the weirdest comex monologue a lot of the old concentrate. It's again it's like the it's the reason I love horror. You know more has capacity to push us in our minds to a different kind of place. Read like we're kind of afraid we're curious titillated riling. We read horror because we're gross like we're just gross beings and so. I really liked some of that early stuff and some of the early stuff even when they started. I established that Constantine's bisexual like some of that stuff is like fucked up. Yeah and amazing at the same time like where you're like this is not right and Holy Shit. That's so fascinating. Yeah and I think was so interesting about this one was that it kind of got him back to. Ground Zero and it allowed him to be all of that fucked up only to be just as terrible as we know him to be but also we got to see him. Be Fun and flirt with people into actually have a good time which I think he was really overdue for a little while from what I remember chronologically like. I don't quite remember where I read this. I know that it was certainly after I had kind of taken a break from. Constantine for Awhile. His series ended. We have a slew of really depressing stories. You know well I just don't remember exactly where I had read this but I do remember it just feeling kind of like a breath of fresh air because we get to see a new style of. Constantine we get to see him as I say just being a complete screw up but also doing it in that way that we can sympathize with because there's no bones about it right even from the very beginning there just like this guy's like bad terrible at everything. All of his friends suffer from being anywhere in proximity to him literally haunted by hundreds of ghosts because he has cost many people their lives at some point in his career in the dark arts. Those are his friends. Close people that he ever actually interact with on a personal level and they all have great reasons to despise him and you know his friend was at Gerry. Who was with him for ever? And who just got completely screwed and the story just another person. Who has these terrible consequences for? Interacting La- John. Constantine here he is ready for love again. I thought you totally nailed it. It's it's in tone in literal colors. Everything was so dark of Constantine again a lot of it's fantastic and exciting interesting but this is so totally different and it still goes to dark places but the coloring is bright and even when you go to hell how looks like something you know. It's like it has dimension to it and and there are people who are there are always people in Hell because that's hell but you know there come to life in a different way in this run. I really really love the art. You know causing all long and lanky. But everybody's kind of long again like distorting our perception. I think a lot of words about the dark arts and hell inhabitant could in baton. Also I'm like a limitless. Being wasn't being like what would you be like you just some jackass when he really is? Yeah there's no part of the story where you really forget that he's a complete jackass doesn't forget it. He's very aware of it and I really enjoyed what was he had to come face to face with his terrible choices with Victoria. Victoria was one of his exes. You just cast off. Essentially you basically got hooked on the dark arts and the like leftover shoot like pushed her aside and was like got should to do. Yeah there's that quote from her where she says. Let me pretend that you were my man more than you turned out to be or something that was just like. Oh God yeah. It's kind of a parade of exes and it's not great Georgina. Who had a lot of subtext? I think with Victoria. Tell what their relationship was my mind. They were definitely together for like she had kind of like went off with John for awhile and then Georgina couldn't be there for her because she couldn't pick up the pieces of John's terrible decisions and the effects that it had on Victoria who her and John have to team up to take care of. This situation help Victoria because now she is just become a complete. You know dead Demon Monster. Yeah like something. They've never seen before. I think what's cool about that? Is you see this a lot when Constantine comes into contact with sandman constant comes into contact with like swamp thing like a lot about like the psychic capacity for trauma and like how how some people GLOB onto the darkness in a way. It's different than other people. Yeah I think that's true. I also think that something. That's always really interesting. Constantine is that by his own terribleness. He also shows you. What's terrible about you? Oh yeah that's something that he always does to people. People will be like. Yeah you're complete ass and he's like I am but check this out. You left her too and like that's what he does with. Georgina and Georgina has every reason to be completely disgusted with this. So yeah so. It's really interesting whenever they team up and then also he still betrays. Georgina instill ins the situation really badly. She says. I'll never forgive you. And he says neither will I not like they're they're later to me. That's something that's interesting because as much as all of these characters you know. His interactions with Alec or swamp thing is always just him being kind of like your dude will. You're a God and like you should have known better and just because I can come in here and completely throw you off lake. I shouldn't be able to do that. We then trace favorite frenemies. I feel like Oh yeah. They're really interesting There it's such a weird matchup such a good one but yeah it's always so interesting to watch the way that he has a tendency of like really bringing people down in God of the story is going right. He also doesn't in this way that makes them have to accept things that they don't love about themselves. I feel like he has no pretenses about who he is. Yeah like John. Constantine is kind of a piece of Shit Yeah and is aware of the fact that he's kind of a piece of shit and openly lies to his friends again and again throughout this arc. Even just this like five. Six issue arche laid betrays people for absolutely no reason and you know what I like about him as a characters. I feel people really get that. He has a code and his code is very different. Yeah his coat is like stopped. The darkness costs and that can be children. That could be lovers. That could be demons. He's double crossing. It could be himself like he's sins himself to hell should be no John Young because he's been there a lot be because he's exercised a bunch of them are killed and so you know he says himself into that war zone and it can be really this concerting like wow the gwydir piece of shit and it's like well God but he's so consistent. Yeah and you meet those characters. Sometimes the Tanna doesn't show up in this or she has a cameo of the Tanna but that's it by was always so funny about her in. Constantine is that. She's not a bad person and so whenever he tries to her face to face with her demon. She's like I. I'm good dude. I don't understand how you have such a dark relationship with magic like I'm doing fine. Check out my cool to cartridge. Learned a new cartridge daring. I'm like one. He's got everything. Good everything terrible out of it. Another piece of it rolling Constantine's also survivor abuse highly abuses. The child he grew up in an incredibly homophobic time that shows up a lot throughout the comics early. People were getting beat up and bathrooms getting beat up people he. He's straight passing. I guess he also is one of those people where if you look at his bend dude kind of pretty boy like et Cetera et Cetera. A lot of people back in the seventies certainly would have just kicked his ass for being. You did right and I think what's great about this comic is that VAT backstories all there. And it comes up in these ways that if you've read all you're like. Oh my gosh. Wow like do get constant. Yes they sure. Do they get him and he gets to have a boyfriend which is very exciting. All my God. He owns a restaurant and he's like I know my brother a picture of him. Because I was telling my brothers big John. Constantine Fan and I was telling him about this story this morning and just being like this is really good. You know we have similar likes for this character so I was excited. Tell him about it and then I was like now. Look it is boyfriend. Oliver and Preston was just like I'm barely get. Yeah President how do you just like? He's so cute and presents a news. I mean yeah. And they're like a really sweet couple they are. There's this moment where you're like. Constantine you did like this is great and causing you. Can't you know there's like reframe whenever he's like romantic? But you can't live me. The Doug News is only like I will hurt you. Oliver is just like smiling he he I know. Oh my God in that. He has the biggest arms to Constantine. Leads exactly what? Constantine I wish that will. We're only talking about the one story. Arc. I will say I wish that that relationship in general had been able to last longer than the relationship. Kind of the run-in yeah Which unfortunately short lived. I think there there could have been more cool stuff to be done there. Yeah it's been cool is I? Think that legends of tomorrow which now has written. Constantine out of the cast has done a good job with nods especially in this run in general I think despite what I sometimes. I'm like Matt Ryan is a great John. Constantine yeah he just nails it Jones voice more than anything half of who he is like when you read a junk. Constantine comic you're like Oh this is a bloke Dick and I get it. I really liked the adaptation and legends. I think they needed like bisexual floor to take. Sarah's plays couple. Sarah can't flirt with everybody through time anymore. So they had to bring in John. Constantine do it in this. Is Charlie her part. You know picking up the slack. Yeah I loved this story and I think it just put. Constantine back on the right track pretty much. Yeah I also again going back to the art. I think that this was again a piece. That was distinct first ones. I love where the art was so like. You know it's the Tinian joyal run. And it's not like the previous art we've seen on this book at all you in the societas with Superhero illustration. Yeah absolutely I think gives it a really distinct flavor? The monsters are really good at coloring on them as all really really really incredible and I love the way. The panels are used or not used the typical way we think of them and one thing I am always going to be telling people about is like the reason comics are so incredible is how we have learned to make variations on this theme. Yeah we say okay yes. This is how panels work. Here's what we create a literacy like. Here's how you know what comment bubble to read necks and this is one where it's okay. Yes okay okay. Okay and twist. I'm going to twist everything that you know about how to read this. And one thing I noticed as well this is available on DC universe in the way it tracks panels confused it so we couldn't it was like Oh it was like mixing up the panels and giving them into reverse order. 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Episode 39.0: Colors thatll blow you away

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Episode 39.0: Colors thatll blow you away

"Welcome to bitches on Comex. I'm se flea nor your resident. Non Binary Person Welcome to bitches on Comex also for me. Sarah I'm gay. We have a question from. Colette collects on twitter. Very cool name collect collects I feel like there are so few women doing interiors comics and I wanna read more comics by women creators especially when they're doing interiors. I've read blackbird and I'm absolutely in love with black stars above but I need more. What do you recommend Quite a question. Yeah that's it's a lot. We talked about this a little bit on as like are six or seven episode. We talked about women doing interiors and particularly doing colors in the history of that in comics and I was wondering if you just tell us a little bit about that again. Well I mean I guess that probably the most important thing to remember is that there have always been women in comics all the way back to the beginning there was you know rose. O'neill who did like the QB DOLL. That was from her little shortcomings thoroughly the one panel kind of illustrations. That had words with them. I think that qualifies as Comics. You know we call Marmaduke comics so I call that Comex so they've just kind of always been around. Of course we talk a lot about Jackie. Ormes of the torchy's strip but she was one of the first black animators. I think that it's important to that. There was always women making comics and a lot of them. Were doing the art to eggs. Now it makes it not always easy though because back in the day. Obviously a lot of women worked underpin names and things like that so that they would be taken seriously or they would continue to get work and what it was predominantly considered to be what men did right so even back. Then you know. It's really hard to find solid runs of things. It's hard to find. An epic story goes over several issues. You can kind of only find single issues for the most part through the Golden Age. We didn't have those long format stories that we have now for the most part sometimes but not often right a lot of the Manga. Honestly Rah in this kind of long sweeping epic feel to a lot of comic stories and you know eventually the USA followed suit and that's kind of what we see now so you can look on Wikipedia and find list of female animators from one hundred years ago and they always existed. There was a lot of problems for them. A lot of them became really famous. You know like made a lot of money so like Rosa. Neal was one of the richest artists in the world. Actually by it's been a long and winding road because there's definitely a lot of history there but it's also very difficult to track so it's hard to find complete volumes to read totally an something that stood out to me and tell me if. I'm wrong Sarah but this is what I remember you saying. Was that women were wanting to do more of the art and would be applying for our positions. Men were more likely to get the pencils. Assignments and women were more likely to be funneled into colors because that was considered lesser. Somehow it's weird to recapitulate an argument. You don't agree with but that was what you had said. Is that accurate? I mean that's true of animation as well. There's actually a book that's called Queens of animation that talks about some of the first woman that worked for Disney. And how it isn't he used to hire women and then whenever they super had to because it was a bunch of strikes going on they hired women for the inks department so they would basically just be tracing. I'm inking is more complicated than just chasing but to them day after day like they start to feel like. I'm just doing this kind of groundwork is essentially and that was kind of the case and of course women rose up a little bit from that as kind of the same with comics women. Colorist are still doing so much work. There's a ton of them to mention if we're GONNA talk about women working on interiors even if they're not doing the full scope like they're not doing the pencils and everything. Women do colors still all of the time the just you know we'll blow you away so you have. John would and she was a person who did. Almost all of the DC superhero covers seventies into the eighties. So she was all over the place like tons and tons of work from her. She did the swamp thing series and she was on that series for ever. She was there in the Allen. More run all the way through till the Nancy Collins run the things that made the old swamp thing comics so surreal looking. That is partially touch on a woods work. Because you're saying she was doing primarily colors there she did all the colors like beset. Did the okay. That's what I was like. I didn't remember doing the. She does the color out like almost the entirety of that. You can't get any of the psychedelic of swamping without the colors. The colors are. That's the thing they've done a lot of that recovering stuff so we keep seeing new editions. Where it's not touchdown woods colors and people are like what is this Like she hoped to find it like she's part of what that look was. You can't erase her work. You know people really are dismissive towards color. Sometimes and it's like you know. I don't WanNa be dismissive to the new colors. But they just aren't doing the same thing that she was doing. They feel pressured that they need to you know. Make it so realistic. And it's like but that's not what comics were looking at that time you can't make Jack. Kirby's pencils look hyper realism. You know so. You put that kind of coloring pal over. It doesn't look right aide. So yeah I mean Jonah would is just one Laura allred. Of course it has were on any comments at this point mostly with her husband but they're one of the best artistic teams you know husband wife. Artistic Teams in comics definitely Christine Strain. Did the colors for the runaways. Bunch of other stuff. She's currently working color. Is Of course? We talk about Georgia Bel Air. Who was on so many books at this point? I mean I think that pretty recently she was on pretty badly now. She's like writing some of the buffy comic so she's definitely somebody you keep your eye on because she's really good at coloring Versatile you know it's amazing to see. What an incredible creator dirty is I really. Yes she kind of vacillates from like horror to superhero comics to her work on. The Asgard series is so different than her work on something like red lands. Yeah it's wonderful to watch her work she's really good. There's a pretty good interview with Georgia. I'm sure you could just google it or I can find it and put it in the show notes. We'll see what happens. And she talked about what things were left up to the colorist versus what things were like dictated and told her and there was a point where she switched the blood color for one of the scenes from read a traditional red using an orange in in the interview. She really talks about how that changed the mood. And how it made it much more of an alien experience believe. This isn't the Asgard. Run Uber Talking about Sarah. I found it's so important for how we think about comics because I tend to think about them as a whole set. And that's why we often do talk about art because I think you and I are both very keen on that but I found it really fascinating to think about okay. Well what what are these things are coming from the Creator's coming from the year writing the Xyz Team? Here's the color sketch and which things are like the wiggle room in the playroom for the artists. So I thought that was really cool interview for that. It's need to think about how colors have had such an important impact on like we talked about before the mood and feel of comics but also just on literally. What's on the page? It's it's pretty awesome. Yeah I completely agree. I think that it is one of the most important things about the comic art so Tamra Bond Villain has also another one who has been working on tons and tons of comics lately. She's great we all have Glenis Oliver who did almost all of the experts for a very long time. There were other colors working obviously by a lot of the original demon bear saga. You know things like that. That's why she worked on and she was brilliant. So we have of course Murray Severin. Who's probably going to be one of the better known? Among the colors of this era she kind of made her name doing a lot of EC comics where she just went wild on the color palettes and it looks amazing. She's a really good pence lower but unfortunately once again we're talking about somebody who like you know your lady kind of situation. She was the color is she was like the head colorist. But that's as far as it got really. She did some pencilling and some at work for them but didn't get like a really long run. Unfortunately on anything that we can really link to and then Adrian Roy is the final colorist. I'm GONNA bring up. She did a lot of the early new teen titans so she was really good. If you're looking for color is lake. There's a lot of women colors. Yeah I think that's what's cool about that. Lineage like history aspects. It's so interesting to see the way women have shown up in comics throughout history and illustrations words. And I think that's really really important. I wanted to add some more. Recent works to the list for people who are interested in reading titles that are done with women doing the interiors so xena Warrior Princess Vida. Yala has been writing that comic and the art is by Olympia. Sweetman is really really incredible. The art is show remarkable because it somehow manages to capture the likeness of the actors who portray Xena and Gabrielle. And whoever else and at the same time twisted entirely so you feel like you're really just in the comic is always on my favorite list so I think it is absolutely required reading in Olympia. Sweetman does just really really fantastic work in another one would be more in the traditional comic book realm. I have a couple for that. One is moon girl in devil. Dinosaur which is written by Ami Reader and Brandon Montclair. The Art is by. Tasha boost does and the colors of Tamra on Blaine. Who You mentioned Sarah so I think that mean girl devil. Dinosaur is a more traditional superhero comic in sort of the appearance of it. But I think that they're really great ways. The art is playful or communicates how frigging smart Luna? Lafayette is just clever ways. Things are illustrated. Shown I love the doom bots there so so funny and I think the way the colors work on his part of what makes them funny. That's ABC's Great. She's so so good. I completely agree. Think they mean. Girl and devil dinosaur is such a playful comic with any serious elements in the art has to match that tone and boost doses. Pencils and bone billings colors. Really do that work together. And that's super duper exciting than the Black Panther World of Kanda written by Roxane gay the arts by Alpha e Martinez and Fula Richardson and that art is. Oh my God. I mean we're so used to in comics just seeing so many white people and what. I love about World Kanda. As we see so many black people we see so many people who are Afro futurists and so they have African roots and traditional African garb and some ways and then. It's like hyper Sifi. At the same time and I think that that art really carries Roxanne case beautiful storyline and writing with the influence atanasie coats. He was sort of like this. Supervising story connector person. So I think that one is really incredible. Just a variety of shades of skin tone the different hairstyles the facial expressions. They also in that art really. Interestingly used foreground background to communicate the way that all the women of the door Malaysia. Our training in living together. But how do you have a secret when you're constantly around other people? Some of those panels really stand out in my mind so I think that is a fantastic run. We couldn't be here if we're not gonNA talk about Angela. Queen of Hell written by Marguerite Bennet the main story art and colors. Kim Seem to and Israel Silva and the stub story is by Stephanie Hans. Seventy hands like my favorite favorite comic artist. I think does some of the most beautiful. Incredible trippy dippy art. And they frequently in the Angeles Stories Have Hans. Doing the sub- story art. It has this beautiful impact of making everything. Feel like you're in kind of a hazy memory which is part of what they're doing. This up story is frequently a back story and I think that art is just show potent so beautiful. She also did die. I think she did a cover for Black Panther world of Kanda. She's kind of everywhere. Her Art just constantly makes me pull my is so beautiful and she really shows the love between Sarah and Angela in just these really tender moments. I often say that when it comes to Angela Sarah their panels where they're kissing the give so much care to how they presented so you get this sort of swept up in love feeling. And that's all the art. The art does that because usually those panels don't have any words and not writing. An art are a permeable boundary. But I would say the art is what delivers that sort of ood feeling. I get when I see the different scenes. Were Sarah Angela. Kissing and some it's brilliant. That whole I mean we already talked about how much we loved that series but the art was a huge part of that absolutely and the next. I'd like to others one's pretty deadly which is one of the image comics written by Kelly. Suda conic and I believe it was created by the conic and the artists which is an rios so they collaborated on the creation of the story and then colors by jury Belair and pretty deadly is only God what a great example of how you can use panels. Interestingly how you can have this almost high art feeling for this very weird Western story and how those things blend together and how the desert and the planes are portrayed and how water interacts with those spaces. There's so much movement in the pages on pretty deadly and so I mean Maria Olson below just fucking killed on that. Yeah that's such a great example of George bellairs work too because it would not look the same if anybody else did it those reds and browns that she uses to make it look like this kind of middle of nowhere desert feeling but also a little bit different than what I've seen before because I've seen a lot of like western comics and they don't take this care with making the earth look as dynamic as every character right like every injury is just interacting with each other in this really great cohesive way. I always think that people look at the desert and see like something about themselves. People look at the desert and see like a barren wasteland. That's your problem. And it seems really clear that both Rio similair look at the desert. Least this instance and see show much depth and layers and it's not tan. It's red and brown in a little bit of Tan. Oh and black. And here's where the shadows interplay with the color of the land and it feels so purposeful and distinct. I really really love. There are in pretty deadly. It is really really great. The different people working together to make this comic the comment. It's excellent to see so we're GONNA make that via comic of the League. Just obviously from our tone of voice you could probably but yeah just in the meantime if you're looking for anybody who's just a great interior artists to women working together to do grade and written by woman. I think pretty deadliest feminist in one of those ways is the best of what feminism can do. It is so integral to the very framework and molecular structure so to speak of the story and the art and the colors that you can't even necessarily tease out. What FEMINIST ABOUT IT? Because it's so everything is feminist. Like every part of this is deeply feminist. It's love it. I love it so much. And you know I'm a sucker for a western up in the West. But most of them like oh so by Western you mean fantasy about killing indigenous people not something. I enjoy Western. Racism those don't have to be synonyms any longer. You look back though. I wasn't in the southwest but I was in Missouri and I definitely had a lot of relatives. That were major. John Wayne fans will say that those movies do not age well. Understatement of the century and understatement all right so yeah I mean. There's so many. I want to just take quick moment to shout out Manga artists we like Mongo but neither of us are huge. Manga heads so there might be. Sometimes you know you don't feel like we talked about it enough and maybe there's better people to talk about it just in general but I will say that I do love these artists so Tania del Rio does the Sabrina Manga series. That isn't Rad. Rumiko Takahashi of course does Ron Mama. Half which is such an important comic. Of course there's a lot of conversation about how gender is portrayed and stuff like that but still groundbreaking comic and Naoko Takuji. Who is of course? The creator of Sailor Moon and those are all three women. Written women are interiors. Everything they kill it. They're really good. So there's about ten billion others to live now emily. Carol is doing brilliant brilliant horror comic. Oh my youthful the writing and the art. They're gorges. I can't recommend them enough. If you are a horror fan. I wrote a whole article about how much I like her. Comex and of course we can go ahead and link to that she is a complete bad ass her coming great her are is gorgeous and she makes some of the most interesting choices. I've seen as far as art goes on the page and how that ties was story kind of the to working in tangent with one another. I think it's one of the best examples of that as far as a horror comic goes. We absolutely rave about the Kelly Thompson. Ms Marvel series and of course Carmen. Caneiro is the person who does a lot of the interior art team in Clara. Love together odd. Yeah it's really good. They complement each other and we talked a lot. I don't remember when the comic of the week for the Kelly Thompson. Miss Marvel has gone up or will go up by in that. We definitely talk a lot about how much we appreciated that art so she is great. Of course we have Trina Robbins. Who his more known as a historian at this point but she did do some comics kind of hard to track down for the most part other than her women's comics which was a big game theology that she had with a lot of other women usually wear women and has kind of underground comic style. So you know. If that's like not your thing she also didn't wonder woman comics is very difficult to find. I have a five issue. Wonder woman comic. It's good curb. Saic wrote it but not the easiest defined Nicola Scott did the birds of PREY WITH GAIL SIMONE. And that is one of those runs that you just. Kinda have to pick up. She is incredible kind of just the best honestly. Birds of prey was also her first job. So whenever you look at that comic and you're completely blown away by just remember that that was you know her first Gig. She is amazing. So you have Jill Thompson of who did a lot of fillon art? She did a series that was called Finals Vertigo. That I always remember which was about college students who were doing increasingly fi kind of things to get through their term and so they end up like in death fights with each other and you know people get turned into different creatures and just all kinds of bonkers stuff happens. That is another one where I'm like. Good luck finding it. I have no idea how many copies of that even exist. I don't think it's ever going to get reconnected. Probably but it is really really good so if you can find finals by her she also did scary godmother really fun art with her. We have a couple of artists that do a lot of queer friendly porn. So you have Meghan rose gadgets. Who did this coming? That was called. I've been kidnapped by lesbian space pirates. Which is a narrative story that is really fun and great if you can find that but she does a lot of porn comex and then Choline couvert does a few porn comics but then also does a creator owned comic called Bandette Amanda Conner. Of course we talk about all the time. She does a ton of Great Harley Quinn covers and stuff like that. She did a the Harley Quinn series from twenty thirteen but she didn't do the Interior Art on that. She did the covers the writing but she has done the interior for the Harley Quinn and birds of prey series jail so did the Interior Art Van Perla death and destruction series which I really loved so anything by Amanda. Conner is great colleen. Doran is one of the most famous I think women illustrators and she did her creator owned a distant soil and she also does tons of commissions. You console hire her to do stuff. She is a huge deal. Highly recommend a distant soil. Epic fantasy stuff that I think. A lot of people would love Becky. Cloonan does the art for Gotham Academy. That's all really good. She was also the first woman to ever draw Batman in the Batman series. So that's kind of a huge deal star wars legacy which has the pencils by Jan. Dr Cima Gender. Samah is absolutely incredible. She also did a run on x factor after Peter. David wrote it. And that's really good. But the best thing that you can get is star wars legacy which for my money is one of the Best Star Wars Stories. That's ever been told. I believe that it's out of continuity because it was before twenty fourteen. There was one of the dark horse series before marvel but the franchise out but everything about that comic is bad ass and they focus in on the twice ally you get to see all of this great development new characters. That series is brilliant. And I'm in and out of the Star Wars continuity but I love star wars legacy in pretty much the whole thing was done by gender Osama on the interior power. Pack was created by Louise Simonson. End-june Bregman Jim. Brickman did almost all of the issues if you're into kind of it's from the eighty s in it's for kids so that means that it's still pretty dark but it is still a really good comic and Jim. Bridger are is incredible. She is currently on the Mary Worth series. Which is obviously a long running cartoon Strip Jillian Tamaki teams up a lot with her sister to do coming slakes Skim and this one summer. Both of which are absolutely brilliant highly. Recommend you check those out and finally I just WANNA recommend a lot of people know this person outside of comics but Kate. Beaton obviously did a ton of really really good humor comics. That are you know just must read the book collection. That's called step aside POPs which is one of the funniest things I've ever read in my life. Those are all so good I love it. I also don't talk about just a couple more. People I know were throwing a lot of names and whatnot. You all we. Also if you're interested anybody WHO's a patron at a five dollar level or higher? We do a written reading list every month. So we do write this down for you. We tell you where you can find it and we tell you exactly what issues et Cetera. So yes it's a lot to throw at you but hey become a patron will just send you a little list a little reading list. I also WANNA add Julia K. Who writes up and out comic Julius Incredible Artists? She writes about her experience transitioning and she has this great book called Super Late bloomer. It's a collection of her cereal cartoons and somehow manages to pull together a really beautiful cohesive story by somehow. I mean. She's incredible artist. I also GONNA talk about a couple of non binary artists who are doing great work because I think whenever we talk about women. My brain goes curious because as a non woman. I think that sometimes it can be a little. It's like let's talk about other folks too so as are monster. Has This beautiful web comic. You've probably heard me talk about it before but I'm gonNA keep talking about it till I die so get used it. It is called s skin. It is a beautiful story. About a non binary person navigating the world is a very alternate history world. Beautiful really incredible stuff says fe are monster. Then we've got archie. Bongiovanni coup does illustrations for auto straddle. But it's also written a graphic novel called a quick and easy guide today them pronouns and they just obscene about flagging. And it's very cute. They've been talking about how you can flag like Bandanna during a pandemic on their twitter. It's been great but our rights Greece bats which is one of my favorite serial comic strips. Very funny about all these Queer and Trans folks who are really close friends. And they really cute comic about how they're all doing in social distancing and I really enjoyed that the last one I will talk about is Scott Tran. Who describes himself as a feral queer is just really really great comics? That are really really fun. Just about different people dealing with their gender identities or sleeping people in the world and so I totally recommend checking out ear work day are at Queer rebels dot COM. And you can check out all the stuff so those are some of the the Non Binary folks that. I wanted to shout out as well. Yeah 'cause you can also it's great that there is more people working in comics. These days is feels like comics are just getting better and better. I can't put my finger on exactly why what I'm sure that it's an increase in diversity and more different people working on comics and that just makes thing better. That's just my theory. I'm just throwing it out there. I don't know I'm willing to have this debate literally forever for the rest of our lives because we will have to even if we fucking didn't want to write but yep sure we'll happy reading folks we gave you lots of folks to think about doing interiors just work. We also frequently highlight writers. Who are women and Non Binary and Trans so just keep tuning in? 'cause we have more and more good stuff for you do you can get a subscription right now to a Lotta things. Let's face it. You get a Netflix subscription. You get literally so many subscriptions but we also have a subscription and are subscription is decoded which is a thirty day bunch of stories situation. That's happening in June. And it's all creators. It's super duper cool. We're super excited to be editing. This project every day and pride you get an original science fiction fantasy horror story or comic by Lgbtq Plus Writer. 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He's Richard He lies to his family and says we're going on vacation. God damnit read and Maureen an asshole and so he and the rest of the fantastic four go into space. They're like okay. We just eat some people to literally stand here for four minutes. We'll be back before you know it. Time moves differently bla-bla-bla. It'll be a year for us four minutes for you but just in case. So they all go and recruit people in its ant man. Scott Lang it man she hulk some Pop Star. I do not recognize and Medusa from the in humans queen of the in humans from the humans. She's the Goddamn Queen and stand there for four minutes. And then guess what they don't come back so then it's like they have to be in charge of being the fantastic four but the future foundation. Which if you don't know about is the cutest single content like gonNA cry. It is all the little children who are powered in way or another. One is the clone of a super villain trained to do horrible things. A bunch of them are aliens. It's just like cute also reed and sue's kids right. Franklin and Valeria. Valeri is hilarious. Because is basically if a super villain was born to a really wholesome family dynamic so cute ten steps ahead of everybody always so so much smarter than everybody and also really genuinely cares about the people around her unfortunately like wants to be a super villain kind of is very grateful to her. Mom LOVES HER MOM A lot. So can't one hundred percent there. It's all so cute. I mean this is a recipe for hijinks. Right it's like a school for superpower kids who are being like led by a person with no superpowers but a good suit and then some other people I love it. I love everything about it. Every single page I felt like was pure. Gold it is. The Art is incredible. Obviously Mike and Laura Ohrid have been doing fantastic beautiful dynamic pop culture looking centric kind of comex for a really long time. Yeah I mean I I read them in with Madman. I remember the first volume of madman coming out and not being able to buy because it was an independent comics. So mail ordered it. I've been reading. Those two are incredibly longtime. Obviously a madman comics were in black and white but Laura comes in later on some of the most dynamic looking colors. I think we've seen when she is really incredible. One of the testaments to great colors like they just seem obvious like this is what it should look like and that kind of sucks is like your job is to be office look so nicely. It looked so good. Yeah there are so bright and it makes this comic just pop every panel kind of jumps off the frame at you in the best way. It's really great. And all of the characterization brilliant I think but Scott Ling. As the morning father is very interesting. He's so sad through the whole thing and then is kind of the person who has to rally everybody even though he's extremely depressed so I think that that's pretty fun to watch. I love Jennifer Walters and this or the has. We'll call her. This is one the best representations of her ever. I think one of my favorite. It's just like such an aside. Someone asked her question and she's like she's answers casually but in the frame she hasn't broken spaceship on her and she's just like carrying having a casual conversation. Oh God I love the Moose. And she's called the Gen because like one of those little groups of kids. They love her. They love her. They think she's the greatest thing that has ever existed. She and Wyatt Wing foot go on a date and they're like oh no we must stop the so like usually is just so misogynistic and terrible and this is such a great in version of it. Thinking was like this is one where it's actually really cute. Because they just. They're not trying to date her so much as they just love her so much that they don't want any dude who isn't cool enough to be with so they're just like no. He's going to hurt her feelings because he did before. And that is unacceptable to us so that was cute. It was adorable. You know and of course. Jin being who JEN is has no idea. Any of this is even going on. She does not pay attention to make all her the Gen. They'd she doesn't notice that she's just kind of busy doing other things and she's just like Oh. I guess like these kids have kind of a culture around me. That's just a side note to everything that's going on there. So cute and everything. They tried to do to stop. Date dislike blows up in their face and they're being held by Bentley. Who was the character for before is like the clone of a super villain? Who's like this little kid who's trying to not be maniacal will at least for appearances but sentence ends up being so wild and intense and like and then we can dominate all of the species? What do you say? Thank few steps so cute. I love the whole thing is also the issue where she hulk in Wyatt dance. And they have the footstep patterns like the dance patterns all written out on the page so a really fun. Page to look at is just watching. My weight is really sweet in this too. I really appreciated his relationship with she hulk and how they were Kinda like. Don't really have time still really like you like by. That was all Q. I love Miss Thing. Of course she was really fun and I love how it was kind of played that not a lot of people knew who she was or like knew what the deal was with her being on the team and she's like well superheroes have been ruining my life forever. You're not even going to pay attention to WHO I am. I guess that all makes sense. Doesn't it like this? Seems like the logical sequence of events that you guys would totally say that. I'm not good enough to replace the thing. I'm not even replacing the thing. She hookers those thing replacement. All of that was really fun and of course Medusa always find love to see many great humor and kind of playing around with her legacy. I guess as always interesting. I love to see her away from the in humans because God but yeah this is like honestly one of the cutest comics I've ever read. It's really sweet. It's heart is deep in marvel continuity. So there's all kinds of references from all across the universe and you. Have you know people who are trying to step up into the role of heroes whenever? They're at their lowest ebb and that was always going to be such a classic timeless story of triumph is basically people being like. I don't know if I can do this. I just lost my daughter. People deeply depressed. Nobody told me that things are going to be like. I didn't even know I was signing up for this and then being like okay well I have to do. I think was really nice to see for madman. During this time whenever he was literally just mourning the death of his daughter. Pretty much nonstop loved. This atman I point where he goes to confront the Yancy street gang who like their. Who were really struggling with like the thing being gone. Even though they're rivals they just miss him by giving him shit which is so cute. It's so pure. It's like we miss our rival and it's like such a tender moment but then like man protects his team and like he doesn't vary atman Wayne. He's like now you know. I'm not read Richard. Usually kinda lines like don't work for me but this situation. It was so perfect because it wasn't actually delivered without much malice. It was just like I'm not gonNA fuck with you. I'm going to put an end demus. And it was nice to see that part of ant man in this version but yeah I think it's such a clever conceit such a nice way to freshen up the fantastic four. It is so heartwarming. There's a beautiful coming out story for Trans Character. It's very very simple. Very accepted surrounded in love. I just I thought that was super duper cute. The kids are all so precious and I love anything about children who are quote unquote supposed to be evil and then them grappling with their morality in their impulses and their intentions. And I think we get a lot of agnes in. It's just if you need to like just make your heart feel a little bit better. Go read this comic. It is GonNa make you feel a lot better about the world yes and I think that this was one of the earlier things from for action to that we saw where it was just like. Oh this guy goes onto Hawkeye and some other really great series. So this was of the one where I was like. Oh this is somebody to watch. Yeah and I think the fraction really knows how to write kids and I will say that is not easy. That's not an easy thing to do. And few people get it right. Action REALLY GETS RIGHT. Kids. That's true. Yeah that's actually something I hadn't thought about your cracked about the children interactions in this. 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REShow: Kurt Warner. Hour 1 (10-23-20)

The Rich Eisen Show

57:50 min | 9 months ago

REShow: Kurt Warner. Hour 1 (10-23-20)

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I am humble hosts getting set for fun three hour show here. Mike del Tufo and Chris brought him. Over there hey, you very good very, very well to see you. and good to see everybody right here on NBC sports on Peacock along with our. Radio partners, satellite and terrestrial as well. TJ Jefferson has settled into his seat see that you said Punt Rich I. did not. I was just focusing on everything because I don't want to. Get thrown off by the fact that you miss. That that's a bad way when Rico literally you're the first person everybody sees every every single day here on the rich Eisen show. TJ. So if you miss it, I, don't want to feel like that's a harbinger. It's it's setting us up three hour show that's not going to be dead solid perfect understand. But that one was in fact it's solid and that's it for this edition of the rich Eisen shake. Thank. Weekend everybody. You know what I it's amazing that Tj can make that PUTT. But it's a rarity. Today especially today especially. Wasn't going to go in this direction, but I'll go in this direction based on the fact that you're very proud of the PUTT that you made. TJ Jefferson Davis Fan Amazing. He could focus on that. After hearing the footsteps. Of both the eagles and giants last night. That highly. The word. What's the best possible word for competitive? And if That may be the most generous adjective I could apply. To the NFC east. Wasn't. Great. Well I. It's just. I mean. Philadelphia finds out today. It's a great one sprain of the MC L. for Lane Johnson who. It's been a revolving door for him. He starts then he comes out. Some days, he doesn't play I mean the injuries that this team has suffered. The Sean Jackson returns then he gets lady hit. It right on a punt that technically should never have happened because had Evan Ingram actually caught the ball that Danny dimes dropped diamond to his hands. Any Times if Daniel Jones and? Through a better ball I don't think I, I, saw better ball Danny dimes at thrown. Last night, he threw some good ones by the way. So that some high register. Hit Evan Ingram in his hands giants would have basically had let's just get one more I down and we're done rapid ib Graham. Gano. Could have kicked a field goal to just keep things out of out of reach. You know I would have been nice and because you know we we all know. Eagles are making any two point conversions these days none of. The team is the king of the phillies special suddenly cannot dial up a two point conversion play that the entirety of the stadium sniffed out before the snap. Ingram catches up all. There's no pont. There's no Deshaun Jackson injury and also know is we know Philadelphia Eagles come back and win. And Win. Boston Scott God bless him all three foot five of them. Come on coming out of the backfield. Boston Scott. Look Man I. With all respect. Say Right. A listed five seven. Okay. Listed Honestly Taller Boston Scott Tom Cruise. I've never been really round Tom Cruise or Boston Scott and. They're both. Since he's number thirty, five Darren sproles three point five, she's the ball out of the backfield. After after a personal foul facemask penalty on our on Jason? Kelsey. Hope, he took the ball from the one yard line because the giants couldn't stop. Laying hands on the ninth and tenth receivers that are out there for the eagles in the end zone. So the Eagles get the ball on the giants doorstep. But now it's all the way back damn near the twenty yard line and that's when wentz throws a perfect beautiful in Boston Scott for the eventual. Go ahead, game winning touchdown to a he just needed a little more room to throw the ball. That was a great pass. A great catch was I hate to say it, but it really was so. Nice I. Guess this is the ultimate. So far description of the eagles season. Which is sure. It doesn't look pretty and yeah whence is frequently more down at up. But Game on the line against San Francisco and against the giants whence makes the throw. And The Philadelphia Eagles Twenty to twenty. One win brings them two to four and one. and. The Eagles phrase that pays I guess right now. The. Title of their season, end your look back video. Twenty Twenty Philadelphia Eagles. No pictures in the standings. That's the title of America's same. Pictures in the standings. Look at the standings I mean I guess if you want to expand that look this standings today when online at. Looking at the screen right here on the rich Eisen show. It's up there right now for our radio listeners, it's right there. I'll see me photographs in. There's no pictures. Still go and that's it just logos. Next up. Bad couple weeks. The Dallas cowboys now they got the Washington football team. Look it up right now the eagles who are in first place with them right now, the all statistical heat tie. Against Cincinnati didn't sitting there you know. Like a pile a, you know what or helpful. When it all comes down to it. Cowboys V. Washington football team this weekend game of the week. then. Dallas Philadelphia. and. Your cowboys could be born for. Just, a couple of weeks time nine days from now. Put your head on the pillow. Mike. McCarthy. Can put his head on his pillow and turns Jerry Jones because they're sleeping over and say to him hey, we're tied. We're tied with Philadelphia's a matter of fact, we're in front of them because they have a tie and. We just beat and we've got the tie-break. Or? Not. Nfc East Twenty twenty though pictures and these standing Oh. My Gosh. I feel for the giants fans out there saquon Barkley. BLESS HIM WITH A. Surgical mask find out. So we follow Andrea Kremer she's doing the game as you know with She's doing it for Amazon prime. Storm Right and. Apparently I did not know this that saquon jet to have surgery on his knee 'cause waiting for the MC L. to heal on its own. No so surgeries this week. Screw his me got so jacked up he has yet to have it opened up to surgically repair. And then devante frames running. Bless him coming off the couch he gets hurt. Sterling Shepard comes back. Touchdown sure does so does. Golden. Tate. But I'll tell you what am I? You know it's I'm sure he's feeling horrible and I know he was saying that after the game. But when we were at the combine in Evan Ingram. was there. Was An absolute physical freak there that day he's jumping out of the building. The typical combine warrior that everyone thought could translate onto a great career certainly as a tight end position that has always been featured the giants offense and that's always been. You Know Eli Manning's. Good. Friend and he has been I mean giants and giants fans are waiting for him to come and put his name in A. Tight End Pantheon. Here in the present day honestly Kelsey. cadle yeah. I haven't been all of my weeks. He might not be as physically. You know you know. Physically as big as those guys but. kind of like Noah fant kind kinda of like any if you think of Jimmy Grams Tom and agile athletic. Jimmy. Graham for sure. Let's go like that's the guy that's start. Making. Plays for your quarterback who needs it WHO NEEDS IT And for him to be open and for Daniel Jones to hit him in the hands. Great through and that would essentially put the eagles in the bind burning timeouts and getting on the other side of the two minute warning for the giants and being in a position where they could run the ball effectively. Maybe do one little play action pass here to. Get you some on second down even get that first down and get out of Dodge and get that win and you're in the position of being too in five on all the you laugh all you want. But that's also a team that just now one two in a row almost. Three in a row I know almost doesn't count, but the giants had something going. I feel for the giants fans today. And then I realize, I'm a jet Fan scrat- I mean at least they're coming close. You gotta you gotta tip your cap to Joe Judge here they're playing hard. They are without question competitive. They are without a doubt somebody that shows up and he's going to give you a game if not beach if you don't have your your game working. Jets aren't even close as by the way just say this. Moment for me. Sam Darnold is back at practice. It looks like he's going to. He's going to be back at practice today if all goes well and he's going to be a second consecutive day where he's working out and getting ready for the bills. In, ready to return. and. You know how I feel about this subject and I'm bringing it all together because this is a New York sports story I'M A new. York guy. Mikey D. And with your from a different exit than me on the Turnpike crossed the river K. cross the river. But, this is very, very difficult to see. Very difficult to see at least you know Daniel Jones. Because the Washington football team went to and didn't get it at least he has matched Jimmy Garoppolo. and. Big Nick mullins. And Brett Ribbon. and. Soon to be Josh Allen. As people who have wanted metlife stadium. This year. Adam cases saying that Donald is going to go expected to stay. Here we go. Here we go. Here we go. He's going to be out there. And maybe he can add his name to everybody else. That's one game at metlife. It stinks it's terrible. It's awful. This is I. I can't remember a New York sports seen as bad as this one right now mets didn't even make the playoffs. Nets made you know the bubble but WE'RE WAITING FOR CAIRO A. To you know. Play with Kevin Durant. Or? Otherwise known as the only other guy who he could look at it and think that he could make the shot at the end of the game that he's ever played with. Knicks are really I don't know I mean the Nixon, the jets are are doing it outright now for. Worst Franchise in New York City. You know I feel about Don. What that same? least the giants though honestly at least they're trying. So at least you can hang your hat on that giants fans if you WanNa, hang your hat on anything. But. The Philadelphia Eagles are to four and one they are terribly banged up. I don't even know if I. You know I don't even know if they're going to be buyers or sellers as you heard Albert brewers saying that Zach? Ertz was on the market before he got hurt. Dea Dea, make a move for a team that clearly needs bodies right now. What you're to foreign one we'll see what happens with Dallas. Then they get a by and then they can rest up. Maybe sitting there. Coming off a bye. In first place in the NFC. East Eight four, four, two, four riches, the number to dial right here. What are you have over there for your poll question Sir what do you see yesterday? We did best team in the AFC. Let's just run it back. Best Team in the NFC this time around. Let's go bears bucks, packers, seahawks. Okay. Give me that one more time WHO's the best team in the NFC bears bucks, packers, seahawks. WanNa make the case for the saints. Rams. You could call a safe for two zero four rich. That's what we've got phone numbers for. Here's the way we go on this Friday program. We've got ourselves. A guest at the top of our third our he's the commissioner of Baseball Rob Manfred GonNa Join US program we're getting set for game three of the world series this evening. Let's go. The Best of five from here on out, best define called the pivotal. During this not pivotal. He said pivotal game three I you know as you know I think that's peaking too soon. Game fodder pivotal or decisive game three is not that pivotal. Well pivots lead the one topic understood. You could say that about all game threes exactly that are coming at one but that doesn't mean not if it'll gained five if is pivotal because. It. Puts somebody one game the precipice precipice of ending the series, and if it's the world series and that's pivotal. Joe's Joe should know better mean he's called enough on saying the only way you can make it up as if drops the fray sniffing it instead of in the hunt on a future Thursday night football game as he has done by request of the rich Eisen show in the past. But Rob Manfred will join us in our number three. So the actor mark strong the brick who's got a new television program called. Temple. And a lot of folks definitely will recognize mark as the bad guy in virtually every. He's great. He's great. Sherlock Holmes Sherlock Holmes kingsman secret service. He's been both kingsman movies. Which is an outstanding film She's am. Played a good guy in nineteen seventeen or he had a brief here early on. As. One of the British soldiers who or British officers before the soldiers went often to that. One long as seen distance. What a great movie. That is great. Movie mark. Strong GONNA join us in our number three. And I up is going to be my buddy Kurt Kurt Warner. Who I think is the is also a dynamite guests a perfect guest on the week where Ryan. Fitzpatrick lost his job just. Six Games into a season in which he does think that the guy that has been drafted to replace him is going to at least stay put where he is because the team is winning. Team is five hundred but the team is winning and suddenly he now loses his job out of the blue same thing happened Kirk when you lie manning got drafted with the New York giants. And so so much of Kurtz history I think can play directly into what's happened this week. And plus the one thing that we have yet to hit on this program. Daniel Jones falling straight on. Hit that I have not given my two cents on that subject. because. It's basically my worst nightmare. And I'll just leave it at that. We're going I know. It's my worst nightmare. Yeah. So I'm going to treat that with the respect it deserves nobody else's giving. We also have my three games that are underneath the radar screen that nobody's talking about for the week seven ahead. Also, I am hooked on a feeling I do have a potential upset. Also Chris Brockman giving his sneaky good games giving you three contests that he believes can make you more money than you have in your wallet or bank account. Right now they did a coin flip and also We go higher register. Three three options from our sports world our beliefs that we need to go higher register in order to actually believe and also one last item it-it's. We have indeed received. Suggestions from our viewership and listenership. For. Mike del Tufo boat name. And Only God. Are they fantastic. All my God they're fantastic. There's one that I keep on thinking about that makes you. Think I know which one it is and I'm like. We're not showing anything won't show anything I'll just read them off. One by one we'll see. If. Mike. Will consider putting that on the back of his currently unneeded or putting that on the back of his currently unnamed. We'll take a break. This is how we're rolling Kurt. Warner is next my football fame friend. Whose Son I am rooting heavily for this weekend in big ten action. Coming up next. You know. It's really scary seeing just how much you could have been saving on car insurance by switching to GYCO. It's almost as scary as that homemade elf costume, your mom major wear and junior high school no gyco gainer the memory of tripping down the hallway oversized pointy shoes bought they could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. Stop Waking Up at night in a cold sweat people wondering what happened to that green onesie just switch to Geico, when save fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car. Insurance. One other item it didn't hit at the top. As soon as we went off the air memory said you know can can you flex out of a game to covert concerns? Remember I said that yesterday because with the raiders having Cova concerns and basically practicing without their starting offensive line who may not? Be able to play in a game on Sunday. because that's the first day after they've been placed on the covert nineteen list that they can be retested to see if they can come back on. That if if they're if they're testing in their completely free in a test that day, then there were allowed back only on Sunday. Can you flex out of a game due to concerns about that? You answered? Yes. And what I say that coming out of Monday night football, my favorite game of the week was going to be. Sunday night football smart flex love. It seahawks cardinals baby. I am fired up for that one. On, our friends in NBC and Sunday Night Football Sunday at seven eastern time football night in America with Mike Thereto. Again, we're back here on the rich Eisen show on peacock as well as our radio networks together eight, four, four, two, zero, four rich number to dial lots of time for your phone calls But Right now, I'm keen to take the phone call of my good friend who I reached out to this week as soon as I heard about Ryan, Fitzpatrick losing his Gig out of the blue. For Two of them and I read a tweet of his this week about how he felt for Ryan in many different ways because he knows the feeling. He is my buddy Kurt, Warner from NFL game, they morning pro football. Hall of fame as well as Westwood one radio, how are you sir? I'm good. How are you? I'm doing fine. I'll give you the floor because I mean when when. When I saw to come in the game against the jets for that Cup of coffee on Sunday Kurt and I saw Ryan Fitzpatrick you know raising his arms like the night king to try and get the fans all excited and hyped up for two of. I thought to myself when to a got named the starter maybe they knew it at the time and Ryan was just like, okay this is it and reveling in the moment and I felt really stupid when I heard how gutted Ryan Fitzpatrick was and then I read your tweet so I'll give you the floor on on this This very sensitive subject matter quite frankly. Yeah you know and I've heard a lot of people say a lot of different things about Miami being three and three, and they're not the great situation and there's a apply and you know everybody should have known this was coming and you know all that stuff is valid I. Think the point is simply that no matter when it happens no matter what the situation when you feel like you're playing good football and makes this this move like this it hurts I mean we're all competitors we all WanNa, play, and then maybe fast forward a little bit because you heard Ryan talk a little bit after the season was made that he doesn't know if this is that was. His last start in the NFL. He doesn't know how much more he's going to play in. So then it's even heavier because not only do you realize you know that the teams going in a different direction, but you're starting to think about your longevity, and if this was the last game, you never really got to prepare for this being my last game for guy like myself I knew I was going to retire I knew in my last game was going to be played but you know for a guy that doesn't know that and all of a sudden bang is out of the game and he realized Oh. Shoot that might be the last time I play in the National Football League I. Think there's so many things that are heavy about that and you know he also talks about why I've been benched many times and that's one of the arguments that a lot of people will say as well you have plenty opportunities and he didn't take full advantage of them. So you know why should they stick with him here but I really believe Ryan was saying I'm playing some of the best football I've ever played and our team is winning and being successful. Why now you know this is what one time where I didn't expect it when you're not playing well, and you've got a young guy behind you, you get it when they go. Okay, we're just GONNA. Go to the young guy. That's an easy move when you're playing well, you never fully understand why and when I was in New York and went through this I give so much credit to Tom. Coughlin when when you brought me into that room to tell me that they were going to ally now I think a lot of people in this business they'll bring you in and they'll point two reasons why you're not gonNA be discarded. Well, you didn't do this well enough for you didn't do that well enough for the team's not what whatever when Tom Coughlin brought me in. He actually looked at me and said Kurt you're the reason that you know we we're a playoff team in this moment your reason why we? Started this season five into you don't deserve this isn't fair but I feel this is the best move for this organization moving forward and I have one hundred percent respect for that man because he looked me in the eye and told me sometimes this is how the NFL works. It's not fair and you know it's not right by a lot of different standards but sometimes, it's the right decision moving forward and what I think you know coach Coughlin was saying was yes. We're a playoff team in this moment, but we're not a very good football team quite yet. We've made some strides a year before we reform twelve I guess we started five and two. So we were showing some signs but. I think he realized this team is not ready to compete for a championship yet, but we have pieces that will be able to help us compete for a championship at some point and Kurtz not the guy. He's not going to be here long enough to be the guy that leads us to a championship that guy is going to have to be Eli. So because the team's not quite ready, but we're going to get there I need to put my young quarterback in. So win the team is ready to compete for a championship. My quarterback is ready to compete for a championship and we all know what happened in New York that he got ready and he led them to two championships and. That worked out perfectly I. believe that's the same thing that's happened in Miami is that they're playing some some good football right now they're coming together as a team. They're young team. I don't think anybody thinks they're going to compete this year, and so the idea is will ryan you're playing while you're not going to be that guy that's going to lead us in years to come that guy will be to So let's get him in and get him ready and he might have to go through his lumps like Eli Manning did but we believe in the long run when this team is built to win a championship and compete, our quarterback will be ready to do the same thing and. Now, we actually have a chance to win championships very much like the giants did and but here's the deal Kurt to in. This is another piece of inside I'd love to get from you here is that when you were five and two then just in obviously Miami three and three now there is still the business of well, you never know right. So we need to continue to win and obviously for everyone else in the locker room who does think of five and to start back then or a three and three start now is the building block to win right here right now and we saw what happened attack. We see that any snap of the football means the backup is in. How did you deal with the fact that? Okay, you might still have to play here and you still now have to get your your the team ready in yourself ready as well as you're expected to be the professional in the quarterback room for the young kid that just got in there. What is Ryan? Fitzpatrick thinking right now. Four yeah. I. Mean I always say this is that every time I signed on the dotted line to be a part of a team. I never signed or there was no fine print that said, well, you just have to be a good teammate and do what's best for the team. When you're the starter I signed on the dotted line to say I'm a part of this team and whatever this team needs me to do. I have to do it to the best of my ability regardless of whether I liked the role that I'm in or not. So I start with that because I remember you know when I was with the giants times that we would take train trips To philly and I remember sitting on the train and the hanging with some of the veteran guys and hearing them grumble about that exact thing is we're a playoff team right now why are we making this change right now? Who knows what the season could bring who knows what we could be by the end of the year and if we get into the playoffs and we've seen that numerous times happened with the giants they. Got Into the wild card team it went all the way to win a championship. You know same thing happened when we weren't a very good team in Arizona and almost WanNa Championship so I understood the idea that, hey, you never know what happens come playoff time and so there was some grumbling in some veteran guys go man we don't get very many shots at this and right now we're competitive. Why are we making this? Move. So one of the roles that I had was the have to be an extension of coach Coughlin into the Locker Room to make sure guys brought into what this decision was and that I couldn't allow it to divide the locker room. It would have been easy for me. Yeah. You're right. I don't understand it. Why does this have to happen because we're a and feed that but it became a big role of mine. To diffuse that and to let people know that, hey, this is the reason they're doing this and this is the key and yes, it might suck for me or it might suck for our team right now. But in the long run we believe it's GonNa pay big dividends. Another example is as you said, have to go in and play I think it was maybe the second game that he played in his career we played. In Baltimore Against that Great Baltimore Defense and you know it was probably the worst quarterback performance I've ever seen in the NFL. I was out of sorts he was overwhelmed guys were walking around. He couldn't really figure out what was he was doing struggled all day long they put me in at the end of that game the end of the game I drove down with Gortat couple touchdowns in the last quarter and you know it was kind of picking apart this defense. and. It was another moment where you could see everybody on the sideline. Go see this is why we shouldn't have gone to the young guy. I had to go to coach Kaufman as soon as that game was over and I said coach first thing you have to say in your press conference if he lie is our starter will be starting next week and will be our starter moving forward. You have to make that announcement to the guys to let them know forget about. What happened here? This was a growing pain for a young guy that we needed to take out. So we didn't beat him up too much but he's going back in. He is going through learn from this and grow, and we are going to rally around this guy, and it was vital for him to make that statement early because the longer that happens where oh I see what Kerr did and we saw an ally did the harder it was going to be to continue. To gain that locker room back and prove that this was the right decision, and so you have to be able to facilitate some of that even in a role that you don't want even in a backup position even when you feel your the better player at that particular time, you have to jump into ranks and go. Okay. What is my role here? Now that I've been pushed into a backup spot and you know there's always two ways to go and we've heard many. Organizations and many quarterback rooms where you know the one guy won't help the other guy or the one guy divides the locker room I think fits his role now is to continue to be an extension of the coaching staff and continued to convince that locker room why this move was made and why it was the best move moving forward. Even if you're not a part of that, which I know can be very. Difficult but to me, that's the role that he has to play and the key role to have a team You know that's going to move forward and be able to grow from a situation like this. I, can't I mean Kurt Man I've been around you a long time and I know who you are and I know you are with your your family, your wife you're awesome wife so I know who you are. But I did not know you did that. By. You know going to conflict in saying what you said because you didn't know the cardinals and what was happening with the cardinals that got you basically into the hall of fame because you did what you did in Saint Louis Damn near again, you didn't know that was a possibility for you when you went to Coughlan after that game under those circumstances, how tough was that for you? That was hard because you're right. I mean I was in a position and you know the first thing is I knew my you know. The extension of my career was not gonNA happen in New York if I was going to be a starter somewhere first of all, I knew wasn't going to be in New York I knew they drafted Eli and he was going to be the future. No matter how long I stayed there. My career was not going to finish out the New York giants. So I knew that first and foremost and so you know they're really I mean I. Could have fought it as much as I wanted but I knew that was a reality but you're right the second part was I was playing that year I was hoping to get sixteen games that year to parlay that into another opportunity knowing that would end up taking over I hope that I could hold that off for an entire year but you're right I didn't know what the future was. I didn't know if I would have another opportunity but. Again, the bottom line is you have to take the situation you're in and you have to figure out what your role is and what's the best the best way that you can handle where you're at now I couldn't sit there and selfishly go. Well, I'M GONNA try to continue to fight for me because I don't know what my future is and I've got to make sure I get a future. Again was to be the best teammate, the Best New, York giant that I could be and I had to navigate what that looked like and that was how I navigated. That's what believed was my best role in what I could do. That was best for the team in particular moment and had to believe that somehow some way what I did done in those nine games or somebody would be willing to give me a shot and I'm grateful that the cardinals did and as you said I was able to write the end of of my book You know all my own terms but yeah, I didn't know that and like I said fits doesn't know that doesn't know. What the future is doesn't know if he's going to play another game and that's that's part of it but you know it's part of the role in the situation that you're in and for me that was the way I navigated it to say this is the best thing I can do for the giants I've got to put my ego myself aside and do what's best for this team you know and also looked at it grateful that they gave me nine games that they brought me in and gave me an opportunity to play and at least get back on the map and it was that nine games that got me an opportunity in Arizona. So I was still grateful to the. And grateful to coach coughlan on how they handled it even though it wasn't fair or you know I, didn't like it or didn't deserve maybe to be benched at that time that was still grateful for that opportunity to the giants gave me a couple more minutes left with you curtain before we move on to something else. What did Coughlin say to you when you came off field and told him that prior to his press conference after the game in Baltimore? What are you? Yeah. I don't remember his exact comment You know I don't think he was thinking about that I think he was wrestling with that idea. Okay. What's best you know you to move forward here the rest of the season because you got to remember that year in New York it was coach coffins first year he was under a lot of scrutiny. There was a lot of dissension in the ranks, not just because of this decision, but because of other things that that he brought. To the team so there was a lot of dissension on that team and there was a lot of speculation that he might be one and done in New York. So there was a lot of things going on and so I can see kind of you know his wheels turning a little bit on. Okay. What do I? What do I do now you know I made this move and now this just happened and what's the best thing for for? Everybody involved in my situation moving forward so I don't remember exactly what he said but he heard me and you know I can tell you some other stories about coach Coughlin in and the respect I have for him and his ability to learn listen even at that stage in his in his career is pretty impressive and so what happened was he was thinking about a lot of things when I told them that he heard that and in. Hearing that and understanding how that you know connected to his decision he went out and made that statement and the team move forward, and we all know he ultimately was beloved in that organization and what he did and and all of that stuff. But some of those critical decisions early on he was open to listening and understanding what I was saying any took it to heart in I think that was ultimately what allowed him to have. So much success in New York Kurt Warner here on the rich Eisen show. Let's let's just turn the page. Then and look forward you. You've watched a ton of to tape preparing for the draft a couple of years ago you know earlier obviously this year Stephen, watching him what do you think he brings the equation what do you think the offense is looked like with fits that he can now bring take maybe to another level what do you think? Well I mean fits has been doing a great job these last few weeks at seeing things getting the ball out of his hands just grip it and rip it when he sees it and I think that's going to be key for two is He's got to see it and get the ball out of his hands. All things that he was really good at in college. You know he got the ball out quick. He made quick decisions he was accurate with the football. All, that stuff was key in his college success. He's got to do that in the NFL. The one thing is i. know we are really kind of connect him the Russell Wilson because of the size and and some of those things but he's not the athlete that Russell Wilson is at least in my opinion what I saw in college. So he can't try to prolong things with his injury history and where they're a team, he can't try to make a play. You know on every play he's gotTa. Realize win can get the ball out when it's just a bad play throw the ball away live for another down as he's learning as he's growing and S, he's getting. acclimated to the NFL game, my biggest concern is still the injuries and you know if he thinks that he's a good enough athlete to kind of run around and make plays I think he's going to get beat up and you never know how that affects the guy moving forward. So what he did in college, do that in the pros you know, can you see things? Can you react quickly? Can you get the ball out of your hands that to me needs to be where this offense is and what needs to do in the early stages to have success to hold his confidence, and then maybe as much as anything protect himself physically he's trying to learn the game. Before I let you go. Kurt Warner into this Friday and I will see you over the weekend and Game Day morning which I'm excited for. The the film session for Daniel Jones. In the coming days watching him run free and then. Shipped over nothing. What's that GONNA be like for Daniel Jones Kurt. I think there's there's going to be two sides to it. Yes. The first thing like if I got out there and laugh at Daniel Jones and criticized him everybody could come back and say, do you couldn't run eighty yards in your backyard? You know at any point in time you know. So to me a great place a great run, he's not the only one that's ever done it where you know Kinda that monkey gets on your back as you run an eighty yards and you try to get all the way to the end zone and then you get a little off balance, you get a little fatigued and you fall. you fall down I think the saving grace they scored a touchdown on that drive you know wears probably would have got beat up a little bit more but I just to me it was just impressive watching him run and Washington outrun all those guys for as long as he did But yeah, there's no doubt. There's GonNa be some laughing and some jokes in the locker room and probably practice every time. He talks runs moving forward but you know sometimes you gotta be able to laugh at yourself and move forward but it still an eighty yard run. Pretty impressive and not many guys not many quarterbacks will ever finish their career saying I had an eighty yard run. It's just one of those. Yeah. And didn't score touchdown you know yet a ninety yard catch in didn't score a touchdown. That's always going to be a part of it that you know the deal you know what your longest run of your career was Kurt Are you? Know but probably less than twenty five. You know what it prices right rules is you know for me it's closest without going over. You just can't go over. You didn't know I would I would say less than well tell Kurt you you win the showcase it's twenty three yards in two thousand one does that jog any memories of you running twenty three yards in two thousand, one at all. Kurt, absolutely, not as much of that probably should jog my memory because probably only had two of those in my entire career very very uneventful and something I do not and will not remember my my kids do remind me. So somebody tweeted last week that Joe FLACCO had a twenty eight yard sack he gets sacked for twenty eight yards. Fourth down. Against India and I was with the cardinals and I was kinda trying to weave back and forth because there was early pressure and down, I was just trying to get opening so I could just throw it up You know because you had to enforce down and I got tripped up and had a huge sack. So I tweeted that there I sent that to my kids I said, did this beat me and they like, no dad, yours was twenty eight yards. Yard, sack, which is longer than my longest run in my career. So it's embarrassing in my kids remind me of that all the time and so I don't know if anybody's ever beating that. But that's you know I'll take eighty yards and fall on the ten any day over a twenty eight yard sack. Curtis you know I root for you and I root for your family and your awesome family. You're awesome. Wife you're awesome kids I am a huge Kate Warner Fan at. This weekend Saturday. I'm all about the mustache kid the walk on who's got the seon his chest. Now I am so proud of him and I cannot route harder for Kate Warner on Saturday. I appreciate it us. He's amazing young man and pretty cool to see you know from walk onto captain as you said. It'd be out there starting in the horseshoe It's the best draw the first game of the year you gotTa, you gotta be everybody and I'll be in my hotel room in la cheering him on not gonNA be able to go to this one but be cheering on and so it's GonNa be fun theme out there. You know hopefully they can do. Some damage and help your wolves a little bit. I will be on the same zoom as you rooting just as hard for your son but probably a little less since he's not my son I'm sure you'll be through the roof I'm very excited for you, and again that see on his chest means so much I'm sure him and Youtube congratulations on that. Appreciate it take yourself. Kurt thanks for the call. Kurt Warner. Kate Warner. Walk on. He's got the C. on his chest in the horseshoe tomorrow baby so That is it's a couple of things that he said that I wanNA. I WanNa hit on about what it was like back in two thousand four and that decision that conflict made that they how about that Kurtz? Like, Hey, you got to go out there and say it's still allies team. Imagine that's the. Imagine right. We'll take a break eight, four, four, zero, four, rich number to dial. We're back you're on the rich Eisen show your phone calls at eight, four, four, two, four, Rich Commissioner Rob Manfred. Become. 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Rams niners, seahawks cardinals top to bottom best division in the NFL. And I did not. Nope no doubt. Very excited. Very excited to see that game big time. Back, here on the rich Eisen, show network rejoining are peacock streamers. You know. Again I'm I'm when Kurt said what he said about how Coughlin at the time. In two thousand four and it looked like he could be one and done is the as the coach in. New. York despite being five and two don't forget again like when conflict came in, you remember all those. Problems Tiki Barber was having and he's basically telling him like you need to hold the ball up. On tight, calling out TIKI which. Nobody did. Yeah. And drafting Eli and starting Kurt Warner who lost his gig to mark. Bolger and Saint Louis. What are we doing here? And The whole narrative about the two thousand, seven giants. Team. was. How Coughlin had? Put together a players. Coalition within the building. To talk to him. And have a communication line open to the locker room through the leaders on the team. That was necessary because Coughlan was Mr Year laid if you're not five minutes early and. Things like. The the way it was described like you you know full metal. Jacket. Of. Very very difficult. Bind his players not a coach that could talk to players even the giants season where. They won the super bowl the first time. We were there in the building? NFL Network we. You know final week of the season when the Patriots were going for their sixteen and and the giants gave Moran and nobody at the time thought, this would be a great super bowl matchup because the giants. If you remember it just was sneaking into the playoffs and they didn't have anything to play for and the. Day. went out there and played. You know what to the wall and that bore fruit later on. And just in terms of bearing fruit think about that decision that. Coughlin made. Go to ally when he did. Ca Two, thousand and seven been possible as Kurt pointed out that the reason why you make a move like that when your team is performing as well as its performing that you assess looking over the steering wheel and see in the road in front of you, do we see a championship right there over the head of the car or are we looking? At the horizon, line and. See a championship there because by the time, this car gets to the horizon line. Our quarterback, our hood ornament needs to be ready to win that championship. That's what Kurt basically said. was decision that Coughlin had to make him what Brian Floor is is probably thinking about right now with tour. And Ryan Fitzpatrick. That that decision that he made going to ally then led to a championship in two thousand, seven would have been ready. For that playoff run in two, thousand, seven if they had waited two, five, zero, six given Kurt more time with the giants would curve even made. The hall of fame because that would have put off the timing for him to show up in Arizona. So Coughlin making that move. Looking back on it. Saved this. Job. And then. Got You're ready to go. For the first of two super bowls. And then got Kurt on the path to Arizona where he almost won the super. Bowl. So you could say that that decision that conflict made. Started align his hall of Fame Path. Got Kurt on his path to the hall of fame, and if conflict makes the hall of fame, it's because of those two championships that Eli one for. I can only hope. Brian floors is choice for two now comes remotely close for everyone involved as what I just described. Wow. Yeah. I'm thinking that skirts telling the story before. Eight four four, two, zero, four, rich number to dial. Let's go back to the phone lines here Let's go to a to and Oregon what's up. Me I been. Hunky Dory. Say that. Whoever decided to put TJ on is a genus. Because I, have been rubbing his comments about pretty much everything. He says, but he represents the real fan the one who it's so exciting when their team is doing well, and the heartbreak of when things are not going as well. And I would love to see him actually on the death. With Brockman because those two going at each other and del Tufo for thirty days yesterday with the Manny's comment. that. I'll give you the floor there. TJ. to the we all know each other do it. I appreciate that that's very nice of you to say TJ in the desk next Brockman but we have to be socially distant with each other and plus I think you you. You mind your position right there. You're. You're making it your own I put your stuff there. You you make more knickknacks over until you tell me the move. I have noticed that. Thank you for the call, Judy I, appreciate that. I need from you and that is. DO I. Get excited with my parents right now or is this just at waiting from you fall in I don't think it's a pit I think the we're we're still seeing how this offense looks under foles obviously a couple of weeks ago where they did not perform well in foles is first start against Indianapolis that looked terrible But we saw the second half against Tampa could spark something that we saw on Carolina and The Rams thank you for the call Tutti the rams. Have had problems with the bears and the defense before in two thousand eighteen. The year that they did make the Super Bowl. They did not perform. Well in Chicago is a cold night. We'll see what happens here but that twenty eighteen defense that the bear showed. A couple of years ago appears to be back in two thousand twenty. So you are what you are. You're five and one and got nick foles saying things that if trubisky set them, we would believe them a little less point. Eight four four tool full rich number to dial for the radio audience. We'll be back in a couple minutes. With my two cents on Daniel Jones. And for the peacock audience, it's just US chickens here for. I'm a rooster. Difference. Already teacher I mean look at I can S. S to get better golfing and we'll be back at first. I thought that was my mom calling. You, know it wasn't her. Okay. By the way to de left a message Mohur whatever. Jefferson to Jefferson. I was wondering where Mrs. I like that. When you say things, you never know who's out there listening and take them to heart and. That was awesome. Read into you things that really don't exist. They're like my teams being good since I've been on this show. By the way. This she's taking more of an on air role. It has gone into the crapper for TJ Jefferson Sports. Mush the on air. There's no on air much more than the guy that you're right sir, not true. WHAT IS DINO babies record since he called him since we're happy birthday by the way he wish he did birth didn't push to have dino. Very. 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Episode 17: Whats a miwacle?

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Episode 17: Whats a miwacle?

"The bitch is on Comex. Next podcast geared toward making comics more welcoming to LGBTQ folks and women readers and me and Sarah Welcome everyone. This is a very special Christmas this episode of Santa Your Bitch and it is about our favorite favorite of all of the holiday a special and I think really all of us can agree on one thing and the true meaning of Christmas is found in this one classic Christmas special the x men animated series. Please have yourself a little Christmas starring the morlocks in the X.. Men what is a morlock. What isn't a morlock seriously? You Go and you look at the morlocks. You're like what is happening. This is a full commentary on classism. The morlocks x men comics are based on the time machine by H G wells which is a book about time machines and machines of time and they live in this kind of utopia but then oh oh look there's a CD underbelly to that. And it's basically classism. So the morlocks are kind of subterranean you know disfigured. have terrible terrible things going on in their lives all of the people who live on this if world of thoughts and feelings on them. That aren't lots of opinions lots of opinions but don't really we help them very much. The relationship between the X men which is messed up. It's really interesting. The mutants actually lovely right. Yeah we're close. Somebody would use that word. I don't know if I would but I would call them uniquely beautiful you would. I mean I think they're all I mean. They all dressed like my friends. Now if you look at look look at those old like more like comics and shows are morlocks now. They're all wearing hoodies and jeans. That are torn. And I'm Oh that's very fashionable and then I'm like Oh you're supposed to communicate that you live in a sewer and the it's poverty also weird part is like how do they look worse on some scale against scare quotes worse. It's been the beast literally covered in blue for head to toe and yeah I think his witticisms are keep him. I hi. I'm witty so as you can tell I'm overcoming. He's kind of that token character something where he doesn't have the ability to pass but he is is so amiable to other people that he so eloquent from UTICA speak in such good language. We feel more comfortable around around him and then we have to steal medicine to survive and everybody is like shutdown. That is a problem for me. I'm upset I'm upset that you you robbed an ambulance and almost hurt someone. But Hey we're getting ahead of ourselves so so the opening scene of of this special is just so the singing is so funny because there's follow then you just hear cyclops follow and then and and jubilee reads him hard. Yeah there's like cyclops is having trouble with his voice which. I don't really know what that implies is but like not a good thing then rogue grabs jubilee and flies her to the top of the nine-story Christmas and Julie's never I seen a star before she's like emotional about getting. I mean which is fair enough. Yeah finally I'm not trying to hate them jubilee. Yeah the running theme though. Yeah she's kind of underdog of this episode. She's just trying to have a family the whole time rogue is like why don't they just fly to the top of the tree. Stupid God eh. Now put this star up there for you and then just like ten feet away. Wolverine is sitting with his back to them like three feet from a fireplace. That is huge. There's only one chair to chair to Salkin. This is angry chair guy. He's very upset. Staring into a fire. Hates Christmas turns out hates it. Big Old surprise from this guy cyclops calls him. GRUMP is which is so cute and unfunny. cyclops is really trying to get out of his terrible personality in this episode. And it's just not working no because it just goes with you. He's like he just hates all the fun that we're having and jubilee is like is it fun choosing. Let's go shopping. Yeah oh I beast decides he. He wants to make a beer from a poem. Non Alcoholic for the record children at home. Yeah but then it explodes. And that's not how you make. That read goes everywhere. Yeah that's called blood you. Why are you sticking your tongue and open beakers this guy? Does it all the time so ridiculous. He's like all right look at this chemical full concoction. I've come up with now I'M GONNA put my tongue in snap 'em covered with grey for. Let's keep going now. I'm covered with blue. Fire could go wrong. Oh now I'm like a giant Catman. Perfect yeah that doesn't happen in this episode but it does happen. I mean it's the story of Peace House House him just being like I should just experiment myself more. You know what I'm GONNA taste it. Yeah done I feel like they're sending some weird messages about this guy and scientific perfect ethics but that's a story for a different day so then half the episode ends up being this story that goes off of jubilee going shopping gift. Shopping the mall for all our Fans X. men for all of her family people who she's trying to bond with that just can't be human to her because the X. men don't understand this is why I love it so much. I watch this as a little kid. I didn't celebrate Christmas really and so I always think about being a kid in having not really any understanding of Christmas and then watching the X.. Men Special where they have no idea what the F. Christmas is leaving. Oh my God these are people people. I have no idea how to celebrate Christmas in neither do they. Jean Grey and gambit getting a cook off to me the best part of the entire episode is the cook off and also the fact that game tries to put time in one of genes dishes and gene. Who is very much a white lady is is not? She's right now. I have been for spices time. By the way you time. High One of the mildest of all of the spices in God jeans response is to to knock him across the kitchen telecom nieces and knock all of these pots and pans on his head a pot full of water that extensively boiling in his head and she goes sorry again. You suck which few shea she gets really just one over on him this entire time. The two of them trying going to share space and a kitchen is one of the funniest things. That's ever happened on television on Christmas on Christmas television. It's just the best in an x men comic. It's beautiful really. Does he get really speaks to tension of the holiday. People get pretty tense for lots of reasons. And it's funny to see like these superheroes heroes have the same sort of banal fights over time and it Kinda helps me understand the dynamic between gene where he is kind of a goofball goofball a little bit of a jackass and she has no basis for a measured emotional response to any situation. She is never responded bonded normally to anything. And so he's as something like I'm GonNa put some spice into this dish. And she loses her mind and Phoenix. You will burn and wanted to so they just argue with each other through this entire episode out like spices about cooking. She literally really calls him swamp rat which is kind of slurred. But okay like what's going on Jeanne. But then meanwhile jubilee decides the people she needs to take shopping topping our storm solid choice. Yeah and Wolverine who a risk rumpus literally rumpus and GRUMP is turns. Turns out doesn't like mall for all of his incredible powers it is the mall that brings Logan Lo- yeah that was how he was defeated defeated. Finally in death of Wolverine. I remember I'm pretty sure they were like you have to go by tie them all. And he's like the hello. POPs the clause yeah. They're just covered in plastic perfume spray and it was really the the part of Logan the film that really it was like. Why is there? No Oscar for this. Why isn't there a lady who just walks up sprays perfume in his base and almost gets gutted for new reason as an on Christmas Eve by this guy who has no control of his temper and his out of his mind with rage and just would is happening? Why would you bring Wolverine over in any keeps being annoyed that it still Christmas even been thirty seconds of the episode you? You just walked from one room to another. That would be a different day. Tomorrow's Christmas steps up stalkers step steps up Christmas again then for no explained reason. Listen there's suddenly cut to their ice skating. Yes that's what you do. I am told by people who know what Christmases and how to celebrate it in places that are not rural Missouri. Well they do say go. Buy your gifts. I have something to hold while you're skating. I'm sure is the general general rule for ice skating and then ambulance just flies off of a over past right onto the ice storm keeps it from crushing some people because it storm. She does the only caring about people that we've seen in a long time in the show. And Yeah it's full of morlocks and they're just trying to steal some medicine so that they can keep a kid alive which makes Wolverine even angrier. Your reissues Lake. You're lying and you're stealing. morlocks would light died of a grandmother okay. Racist was literally a mass murderer. Wolverine I think you need to sit on your hands here and then Julie's like what Obama presence presence. Yeah it's so funny. What terrible people the X.? Men Arthur this entire episode. Like you said it's like they read about Christmas in a magazine magazine and they're like I can do this. I know what business yet this so then they go into the sewers storms. Like what's wrong with. What do you mean? There's something wrong with one of the morlocks. The back story they totally. Yeah deadbeat dad maybe you should come and check on us some time because storm had taken leadership of the morlocks from Callisto them. Yeah and was like well. That's cool you guys got this. I'm gone and I'm still in charge. They're like they're like yeah. Maybe you should have done something interacted with us. Check on sometimes. Like storm goes Well I guess we're going to the sewer for Christmas. The jubilee walks down a ladder into the sewer with packages in her arms and carrying them and Wolverine and Storm Refused Alpar even though their presence for Wolverine and Storm Storm's wherein one awesome Jack. She's just baller. She like walks right in. She knows you. You know what the deal is. She knows she's GonNa go see her conflicting X.. Callisto Lake I'M GONNA just go ahead and stroll roll on and look good. Police says like yeah you kind of left us high and dry in storms like God. Yeah I can't love you like that girl. We're in two different worlds. Include like. Yeah you're like the one who literally stole leadership from me. This is the worst break-up ever this break up sucks anyway. This little boys dying. I guess on Q.. Lead over there was a dying child. We're here for a reason. We were just having some tension between us and then jubilee just like wander off like a weird child child who was so uh-huh funnier and Julie. We need a miracle in. She goes what's a miracle. He didn't help me local miracle she doesn't answer I just it's like it's something we need one tier and then she goes. Nothing thing says nothing does nothing. What's a miracle? That's what I asked myself every Christmas and then it just ends up being like these storylines still somewhere gene. Gene gambler fighting over Christmas dinner not answering the phone. Not even though. There's a child's life on the line storm rogue is with them. Yeah but not helping and more mediated. Oh it's cool. I brought my med kit into the sewer where I'm going to do random surgery all of a sudden on this kid because we've decided that maybe transferring unsparing wolverines healing factor blood into this kid. We'll help which does not seem like it is based in science and anyway wolverines like it not helped some people that it has helped some et Jasser technical sense you think. I don't want to help. The kid didn't really know we wanted to help saying rush. Limbaugh rush about these people this entire time. We don't think you want to help this kid. Wolverine Actual. You haven't acted like you did this entire time just now. You've only said you hated Christmas. List this entire episode. He said horrible things on morlocks in about Christmas. So I don't really see how. When did you talk about how you wanted to help the kid like this doesn't make sense? He's just pulls out. His blood transfusion storm goes and finds one. Oh right right right so these two extra shows it was later goes and finds a blood transfusion kit that we just have them they must know what else would you have for. All the blood trend source wolverine up up to Leach And then for thirteen second gives over his blood and then we'll bring gets pissed. RIPS THE IVY out stands up. This isn't gonNA work work not helping walks off and you didn't even try. You're not making any effort and you're actually about ready to kill this kid because the straight upset IV's up and ripped out of your body rather than give blood to this kid. It is. Why always dying on a table in a sewer and that's NBC showed up? I was GONNA say that's the spirit of Christmas. But yes that's when be shows up with his bag just like say in the sewer and starts making jokes. Yeah he's like what's up. Everybody has been anyway. I'm going to be here all week. So if you have any need for comedy just go ahead and buy tickets. You can get them online pre-sale entrance this milder Gig and then in the background jubilees still with this kid. And it's like her broke US Christmas tree. It's worse than Charlie Brown's Mike Smith twee jubilee like you're not side of her head. She said she's odd. Lots nine nine show you what they look like. Tell me. This isn't real question. Is that really helping this child because I feel like you should have told her that. That's not what Christmas trees look at trees fucked. Go somewhere else. Then they go to the kitchen and they're eating a weird green. Yeah it's like a soup. It's not a color and the delays. John Sad you know rather don't things. I don't want any of your food. That you made in the seward things then Leach Leach hops up just fine leeches good now. We just like good at work and we're like I believe it Christmas. It was like what is it. What do you mean you believe in Christmas? Then they're like. Oh does that mean that. You'RE GONNA stay for Christmas dinner. And they're like no jubilees faces like. Oh Oh me. Hey listen I guess. I do have a few packages of prepackaged food. That's mostly candy. I guess we can have that. I will not eat your sewer. It will certainly not be inviting you to my house. Yes cut to the mansion where two gorgeous gourmet dinners are laid out and fucking gene is like. Oh well we can just heat it up again later. And Gambit says Gabe it does not Cook TV dinners and and so all of this food is thrown in the trash. You can't give it to the morlocks. They can't serve it to the rest of the X.. Men when it's cold no trash is the only possible solution and that's the spirit of Christmas. That's it there's no more there's no like what what I I hear those labels Ding Ding Do. So you know this Christmas. I hope you pull your loved ones close and tell them nothing. UH-HUH I hope that whenever you interact with me going forward that everybody can understand that. This is literally what I thought. Christmas was a kid and I would watch this episode again and again and it is man it is so good it is really many of them are so saccharine somebody Christmas specials. And you know I don't celebrate Christmas. You don't celebrate Christmas so it's like why would i. I don't watch most of them but watch this and I was just dying. The dialogue is awful awful. Everyone sounds tenny donors in anything. Nothing makes any sense. Why why is this thing happening torture jubilee for wanting going to be happy? They're like Oh you wanted to have Christmas. We're going to the sewer suck. It shouldn't be about to die. Play presents whatever whatever absolutely but guess what. There's an eleven year old boy who's about to die. So why don't you hear reality check. It's amazing like so you have a mansion Shen or mutants Yes to help mutants right. It's clearly mostly empty. Yes you'd like seven people living there right. Yeah so that's good. It's seven is enough seven. We're not GONNA add anyone. We don't watch desperate need help in debt. They're being so they're so fucked. They live in a sewer and they were actively screwed over by the x men whenever stormed leadership. Yeah here's restorative. Justice will give you some fuck in packages candy and then we're out of here. 'CAUSE MEL and you're super not coming into my house like that. If you even look me directly in the eye Eh. There is no self awareness of the classism and that is this episode. There's no self awareness of Jean being like like the whitest white lady in the kitchen. There's just no just is like every moment comes to you out of avoid or something and yeah brilliant and then there's like this awesome moment where storm is like neal was stolen. Your Oh yeah. What does one of those things where I'm like? Oh Shit wait. What's how things are tints between these two and then it's just like a neil and I'm like died and then what happens next O.? From keep telling her it's fine. I wrote a fantastic think about it but we don't want you reading it tonight so you know what Bill Spirit of Christmas is not giving a fuck about anyone i. I was like ambulance and stealing. The medicine and healing spirit of Christmas is at least. You're not a morlock in have yourself a more like little Christmas. Here Sarah how do we support this podcast while you know what I would do if I was gonNA support this podcast. I would get a patriotic so that I could give money to look unloaded. Put It on or you know cost because there's a lot of cost whenever it comes the podcast. 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Episode 50.0: Theres always weird stuff

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Episode 50.0: Theres always weird stuff

"It. Breaches, on comics. Your host Sarah Century I'm your host. Wait a minute. I'm Sarah Century. Day We have for the first time ever to people asked a question about the same thing. Khloe love scoff ways an Ivy and Tigra pride both on twitter reached out and said, Hey let's talk about Tigra. We want to hear what you think. We WanNa know where the hell she's been WanNa talk a little bit about what went wrong in the past with her and what potential she has for the future. Yes. I added that last part but that's because it gets real bummer. Worry if we only talk about the bad parts of things but TIGRA super excited that y'all asked about her it is such an incredible experience to think about a character like this I started reading the Cat and then sort of worked through your best. I kind of avoided some of the lowlights but you've read some of the lowlights haven't you sir I mean yeah I guess. So I think that tiger is one of the characters that I am probably the least familiar with because a lot of the Erez the I was reading these books she was either not in or she was very very badly written as kind of hyper sexualize round the men you know like that kind of. Like This is intense and I read her whenever she was dating Hank Pym which was pretty Terrible come on people such a nice guy about it too right like total nice guy like she thinks on Nice. Like. So angry like, Oh, now we're just friends earn. Wow. Dude that's intense and then for some reason, Janet got back together with that guy and I just don't understand it but I wonder if it could be perhaps the writers. Yeah writing. Writing well, so tieger came out and I think it's like nineteen seventy, two in the cat I think that might be right. It is yeah and the cat is like four issues about greer grant Nelson is really interesting because she was created to be very feminist character. She is the protege of a scientist who is like, Hey. Screw mankind. Let's help womankind and she's like I want to help women live at the upmost. They're potential physically mentally emotionally I wanNA harnessed female intuition and make it something that she can wield power and it's so cool. It's so fun like she's like. Empathetic and that's a superpower. Yes, it is. This is so cool. Yes. It's written by Linda fight. So it's very important to note that it was written by a woman. Yes. Because that was not a thing back then for the most part. So yeah, it was also part of a three comic initiative where Marvel Comics decided after not ever marketing women at all, they were going to try to sell three different comex that focused on women that were written by women, but they were thought of men. So nightnurses, one of the others, right? Right nightmares and then there's a third one and Shanna the she devil Oh, that's right. Shanna. The she devil, which is like sexy John. Ladies. So basically, all these comics were like sexy Cat lady sex. Ed-. Sex Sex, a jungle lady. So it was ridiculous just from the start, and then of course, after an actively not marketing to women for such a long time and then being like here's all of a sudden we have bugs they took the failure in sales of these books as being indicative of the fact that like women just don't Wanna read comics basically instead of like maybe women don't WanNa read comics where they're hyper fucking. Sexual, is right and they did hire women for the most part to write the stories which was helpful like Marie Severin also did work on this and stuff like that. So there's women involved in this, but they didn't really have editorial control of any kind and like they were kind of presented with these ideas were they were like I mean there's a quote from Linda talking to Roy Thomas and just being kind of like why. Why am I right Cat lady comically can't I. You know a superhero in her own right however because she did have that insight she did a good job on this coming on it and it's one of those coming say kind of just never stood a chance because of all of the stuff that's around it and it doesn't really have much to do with the actual story, which is kind of fun. Honestly. Yeah. I mean I actually really liked a lot of what I've read of. Tigra and it's I've skipped the Bendix ship and. I'm like, why would I read that? Upset and I if you did read it and you're pissed like you have nothing but by support yeah. As Carol Danvers Fan you have. Yeah. My support whenever we talk about this writing a female. Guess what scarlet which is like one of my favorite characters. Women don't really fair to well, that's all I must say I. Can't I don't even WanNa waste my breath seriously. But that's that is how I kind of look at the world is like I tend to focus on what I think is a good representation and try to skip the ship. That's bad because like how many bad books have I read by white men like so many because we're trained in those books and we're educated him those books and it's like fuck that. So yeah I mean we can't talk about the vendors little sexual assaults essentially she's like hyper you know she's like I'm cat. So I'm Horny I'M GONNA. Rub on all my teammates. It's like crack I hate it yeah. I don't Blake how men do that. Come X. or they're like, here's this lady and I'm like disgusted by her but attracted to her in. So Weird. So year with a lot of characters amora poison ivy. Characters are kind of that like FEM towel archetype a little bit. But then of course, with tiger, they have the excuse of just completely removing any. Kind of decorum I guess. Yeah. Because like greer after she's the cat, it is giant sized creatures number one rate name. She gets turned into the wear cat or the wear red or the cat people are like, oh, no grows dying. We have to save her now. She's a Cat Lady enjoy this bitterly ironic turn of events. God, and then of course, she's always wearing a very tiny bikini and you know what? Whatever, whatever you want girl but also she doesn't get to wear. It's you. She gets to wear one men make for her. So yeah I mean I think that I still really like her I think she's funny I like this she has this balancing her of the quickness of like Spiderman but she also has a lot of heaviness in she lost her partner very young and she was pushed into marriage very young in in even though she wanted to go back to. College, her husband didn't want her to, and then he died and he was a cop and then she finds out there's like a secret white supremacist arm of the COPS JK. It's all of them and she has to take them down. You know there's cool stuff that happened she gets to be cool but it does seem like she ends up being this easy way for men to air their shitty feelings about women and yet to be like feminists are and women are, and it's like they try to hit her sexiness against her womanhood and it's like women can. Understand. Why they have to be sexy and horrifying or sexy end like dangerous and there's always weird stuff with like Benda's. On specifically but like seriously, there's always weird stuff with him. I was just thinking about like whenever Janet Van Dyne and Carol Danvers are having a conversation and Carol Danvers just keeps being like year lakes sled years something like in her head. But on paper is they have a really interesting dynamic because is just like well, we can't do it without you Janet and Janet's just like Okay I. Guess You talked me into it at all like funny. So to me like sometimes nail the character pretty good. I think that there's moments with Tigra where I'm just like Heke out with even the Indus stuff, but then it's just like the overarching. Situation is just like. The I think that she started being written by a woman maybe we should bring back women to write this character I duNno. Sarah that seems like a bridge too far. Let we've been right about women. Hard time with that just kidding because it does feel like it's particularly tied to her feminist roots. There's something about the fact that she was made to be feminist that makes men who are creators and writers her one to hyper sexualize. Herman. You were telling me about one of a covers. Yeah I mean that's a terrible story. But basically, if you read Marvel Comics the untold story, you'll find some pretty aggressive stories behind that original the cat story because as I said, it was just kind of sexy ladies time or something, but they had women writing and working on the story. So yeah, at one point, there's a story that Marie Severin received the cover, which is like actually a really good cover. Wood inked hurt naked like had drawn her naked and had shown everything basically. So Marie Severin got. Like her desk and had to fix it and bring out the whiteout. Cover up the pubic hair like we can't fucking run this wally wood Q. Imagine like the hostility of that workplace like to have any and. All this shit that happens in comics people do under these guises of leg. It's and. It's like, no, that's that's sexual harassment. You are clearly trying to harass her like there's no other reason you would do that than to make a woman feel uncomfortable because he knew there's no way were gonNA print it it's tough larval. I'm like I wish I was in front of him and could tell what I think. But yeah, well, I mean ever severin talks about it she didn't get interviewed. That much in her lifetime. But whenever she talks about how the men, she'll just be like, say that women gossip but men gossip and they call it networking and she talks about how she sat at a table with them and would just like sketch in her notebook basically and try to like completely ignore them which I think is just a huge testament to what you literally had to do to work in. Comics of the time but it turns out good despite that and I think that there's something to be said about Tigra kind of being able to still be really fun and really good. You know whenever people are actually writing her character instead of just this weird trope over woman who just wants to sleep with every guy I remember even reading her and this is kind of a terrible time for her. But like in the West Coast Avengers, she was also kind of great because she draws lines right. She's dating Henry Him for a second and he's a total jackass like he's a complete Nice Guy Jackass to her and she doesn't put up with it like she leaves she doesn't have anything to do with that guy. So the fact that there are stories where tigers like no I have boundaries, what the fuck. I set my boundaries and you can respect them because I'm literally like a Tiger woman tear your face off I think that that's a great like I love CNN sides of I just don't see enough of it. You know it's like a huge bummer and I think that she's one of those characters almost more. So than a lot of the other characters that we talk about, you know she gets kind of the end of the stick to the point where even I haven't read that much of her stuff and I'm like all about like this, but it's hard to read some like it. was going to say there's whole storylines that I find unreadable like I'm just like, why would I do this and even the ones that are really good or that I liked like, Michelle. Z. Did a T. Gra run for tier one through four and the writing was really great put the art was so hit and miss like they review these incredible whole sequences where it's all negative space all you sees the outline of her and she looks cool an intimidating and catlike and you know so so flexible and cool things that I I like about her in it's like nipples everywhere and she's Wearing a tiny something and you know you can basically see her butthole. What the fuck so I like her a lot I get why she's so frustrating to like not because of her right because of how she's been treated by both at. So interesting because its Meta narrative right? Like there's the the way that the comic creators who are who have written her poorly have treated her. But then also how than they replicate those systems of power and treatment inside the comic so you Like. You were saying with Hank Pym and you're like, oh, it's not hard to see what you're trying to do here. Buddy. Yeah. It was so interesting to me because I felt like. So often they would have female characters pitted against each other but you're dealing with characters like Janet van Dyne doesn't really do that. You know not sense like she was written terribly unlike the sixty is. So you know having Jan dyne versus Tigra with liking him and they were both we both don't really want. That to me was great because it's just like. They wouldn't that makes sense. Of course, the story still just primarily focused on Hank Pym, which is why it was not that great of a story. But Louis C. These glimmers with her and she is a really really good character. What's more awesome than this character she's like the where cat that stuff is cool. You know I wanna read that character of course, and then whenever you have somebody who just writes her terribly or dismisses her because she's been written terribly then it's just a never ending loop. It just keeps repeating itself and I just I just hope that you know all of the Tiger fans out there who obviously exist and are very emphatic about. Both at least two of them wrote us this one question I just hope that you all get your just desserts I hope that you get what you want out of this character. You hope that somebody actually this character gets to write her sometime and the it just gets better for her because I is a huge bummer to read like people just letting their sexism go on this character unchecked. Totally I think she has so much potential I think are so much better that hasn't been explored like how do the cat people perceive gender? What is gender mean to her is she woman and not is she a non binary woman? Does she feel a war between her two sides or is that just people not being able to see women? His people does she feel at peace? You know like we could do so much I would love to see someone like Amy Chu Tear Not Great. You know just get in there and like explore. This character has been treated like garbage. You know yeah, I. Mean. She's one of the ones because I think that she is on par with somebody like Red Sonja or something. Was Written by Roy Thomas for a really long time like. Really POPs up a lot when you're talking about incredibly sexist portrayals of women in the seventies and eighties but I don't know. I think the IT gets turned around. You know Gail Simone starts writing Red Sonja and it gets so so much better. So Tiger I think is waiting for that story. She's had some good ones like I. Don't want to say that there's like bullshit in her storyline because like I said, there's these moments tiger where I'm like hell. Yes you're the best. I will totally like support this character like I would buy a tiger series in a second you know. The best. But also it's one of those things like with poison ivy or something where you're like I'm GonNa buy this comic. What's going to be an literally something terrible could happen to this character could be super sexist in the first few seconds or you know as you say like they the artist and writer don't seem to see eye to eye on what they're trying to communicate with the character. All of that stuff unfortunately does allow a tiger I think that like the overall consensus is we just don't think that she's gotten what she deserves as far as story arcs go absolutely not and I. I think that you're right she's ready for San's like she came about in. This important time in feminism. Really cool to see someone who is a feminist and cares about -tations woman on binary person someone who gets what tiger it is about because I see so much I love like you were saying I I read her like Shit Talk Dudes and I'm like, yes thank you. I see her beat up fifteen crooked cops and I'm like that's great. I love this. You know I, see your flip off of a building and I'm like that is so cool. She is so cool and also like Tiger woman like you said. I love it I get the hold hold ups with women being compared to cats my God but that's because it's gone. So wrong, it's Obsolete. It's gone so wrong. So many times that we're so overdue for it to go. Right? We're so overdue for a great Tigris story absolutely where would you take your like if you if you've got tiger tomorrow, what do you think you would do just like off the top of your head question a little bit of the extremely binary way in which. She. has been presented and kind of basically just questioned that original arc a little bit and kind of look and see where she can go. You'd have to make sure that she was being a sexual character but not be gross about it which angling almost only I'm just going to say straight guys have not done great with that with this character agreed. Just emphasizing stuff like that I would love to emphasize a sex positive story with her and let me some Nice. Yeah. Basically just you know any kind of stuff like that I, it's hard to say because you'd have to go into kind of her past a little bit but you'd also have to look at a new way of telling stories I think and so yeah, I don't know I'd have to think about it a little bit more but those would be major themes for me I think absolutely you know I think I would give her a bff, some woman who isn't going to treat her like shit all the time. She's a pretty much around men or women who don't like her and. I actually think lots of heroes would like her idaho totally before they would have with her. That's the thing. Right? Leg Tiger would be super fun to hang out with guys always think that women are like intimidated or fight with each other. Then it's like we would all want to hang out with tiger. Give me a break all hang out with her she's so cool. I don't give a shit who she dates flirts with like I really don't care like it's fun to be around people who are super flirty and stuff I don't know that's fine I. Just I will once again. What what did you do? Why did you do? That's our other podcast men. What did you? Why did you do? Well yes. So let us know what you think of. Tigrayan, we know we have some die hard fans who our listeners thank you for your amazing question. Thank you for carrying about a character who is like so cool and so underutilized, but we'd love to hear what you're thinking. If you could write Tigray relic, where would you take yet? Tell us. We, want to know. I'm just saying I'm going to hit. We didn't I'm just like I don't know if this should be in the next interview spot. Just getting. Straight. Favorite forums. Anytime. Anytime. It feels right. Week's comic of the week is very the lead by Gabby done and it is illustrated by Clare. Hellers by McGill more. To. Miguel Morteau. Letters by Mike Fiorentino. Okay. This is my my favorite indie comic of Twenty Nineteen. I loved it. I. Loved I. Think it is so fun. It's super duper queer. It's like unapologetically a commentary on the state of the world and of comics and journalism, and it's just cute. How does it do all those things at once I duNno, it's steamy. Sex Scenes Scott Cute. Bisexual disasters flirting with each other love that. Everything about it I just love it. Yeah. It's really good. It is a kind of a murder mystery situation. I mean I had no idea what this comic was going to be about. So yeah, I was surprised by. The weirdness of the story was basically just one day. One of them being like, do you happen to lay be into me and then the other one being like I do happen to be into giant her is that you think. Like House, and then the next page is just them having sex and the. Whole Gorgeous beautiful page like way. This is. Move Oh. That is that is what I'm into comics for a delightful sex scenes. I appreciated it just being kind of like a plus gay sex. On top of all of this other stuff. Sometimes, you read stuff where the Queer story is just kind of stilted or you're just like, why would these two characters even be and each other's something and you don't see a Straight relationships where you're like I don't know why these two characters even like each other like the smooth set that up for me at all. But yeah, in this one, it was just kind of like the spontaneity of it sometimes and how yeah. It just kind of happens for those two after they've been working together for awhile and stuff I thought that made it seem pretty true. Yeah. It felt very real to lake the sort of happenstance. Connections happened. You know yeah, and it's not you know epic love story or something basically just a relationship that's happening all this other stuff is going on. So yeah, I mean all of that to me is pretty realistic and so I, commend it and think it's a really good. You know maybe temporary relationship that they're both going into. Yeah. But like still to be positive like nobody's living's freaking out about it, it's it's really nice like you. said, it feels very true. Very real right and you know it's really the story of the main character and her being an intern, and then becoming a more advanced journalist through this weird relationship she has with the murderer censor messages, right? Yeah. So she goes to see the murder rate. The person who everybody thinks is the murderer and right away she calls it in his like e you didn't kill these people. What are you talking about lead? Husband and her son, right so yeah, you didn't kill these people and then she's just like I definitely did. Thank you. She's like, no I killed them is super killed them checkout how the ways I killed. It is it's like way too much. It's like. Making doth protest too much. Then that becomes a new story in and of itself because she hasn't talked yet. So she just couldn't right she only talks to her. That's right. So she'll only talked to her and that's kind of the setup rate is like this girl wants to stop being an intern. She gets mad whenever that story breaks because it's like she's the news instead of being the reporter of the news, and so that's pretty cool. I don't know I liked how it treated journalism definitely I thought that that was interesting and it's like, thank God, because so often we have characters are journalists and we don't get to see anything cool from that Lake Right. Superman and Lois Lane at the daily planet and it's just like what's even happening at the daily planet nothing basically sometimes, it plays in but it's it's fairly rare a story that's been going for like eighty years. You know journalism in comics are like so entwined one another and at least representations of WHO's in journalism and whatnot in the comics and it was nice to see someone be like, okay. Yeah. Let's talk about it. Let's like really explore what are journalists experiences like within this sort of world and I just. Loved it? Yeah. It's super good. I. Mean the art is Great. The color is great. They have kind of a unique kind of a deeper color Palette like I think that they use a lot of blues and purples and things like that, and it looks really nice. It's very kind of neo nor. It's definitely has a lot of those elements to it, but it's skewed like. The tropes are kind of skewed a little bit to make it more interesting. So I think that they did great on this coming I see why you would call this your favorite of twenty nineteen. I didn't read it in two, thousand, nine, hundred i. just read like yesterday. So I can't I can't hold it up and try to but this is like one of the better. So you could pick up definitely what I really liked to like it just let squareness be a part of life. It doesn't have to be like a big remarked upon thing, but it is still plays with like people have to come out in the world even even if you are openly queer for one. So the main character is by and she meets a cute boy in their flirting and she's like I something I have to tell you I'm by and he starts laughing and she's like what the fuck and he's like on by and I was all these cuties isn't Like it's so sweet. Like what a fun way to represent like a queer relationship you know to like let things be weird end. Let people have awkward relationship conversations. Again. It feels so real it feels so tenderly and intentionally rot tens of people color in lots of strong bats, women, tons of awesome queer characters it just for me it had all the elements that I love in a great comic and it brought them together. So uniquely like you said that Color Palette because it's got that neo noir, feel that rich darkness right with dark colors rich and so they just feel like they convey a mood of like heaviness but intriguing it is such a murder mystery you just to flip through it and read it. So quickly because you're like what what what what? Is this again what who what she didn't she did. And I. Love It. Yeah. It was really compelling. I loved the lady in jail. She was hilarious. Yeah knows knows how to tell a story knows how to keep people entertained. Like trying her and at every turn and I always appreciate a character that can do that great neo nor. kind of murder mystery stuff i. mean this is all stuff where if somebody said those words I'd be like, oh. Yeah. I'm totally GonNa read that it's Queer Neo nor murder mystery. I've never heard of the like would go pick that up immediately what's not to like Like what's of you? Oh really cool powerful characters who make interesting decisions. Great I love it Neo Noir. Just? Yeah. Every single thing we can say about this. Is like not good enough to describe it, and at the same time should be a great reason to pick it up bury the lead Gabby. Done Super duper incredible fun, and I'm coming back again to what you said Sarah about the colors I think they really are such an important part of how the story is told. I always love when the colors are part of what makes something click in. It, just this book delivers on it. Mirror podcast that is all about. Comic books more, accessible to lgbtq folks and women. So if you have a question about anything related to comics, comic adaptations pop culture in general conventions, cost play new name it. That's what we're here for. You can send us your questions at bitches on comics at gmail.com unfortunately, Jamil does not like the word bitch they're pretty judgy about it. So we can't have it spelled out it is be dot T. C. H. E. S. O. N. C. O. M. 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Episode 50.0: Theres always weird stuff

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Episode 50.0: Theres always weird stuff

"It. Breaches on comics I'm your host. Sarah Century I'm your host. Wait a minute. I'm Sarah. Century. The Day We have for the first time ever to people ask a question about the same thing. Khloe love, Scoff Poison Ivy, and Tigra pride both on twitter reached out and said Hey. Let's talk about Tigra we wanna hear what you think. We WanNa know where the hell she's been WanNa talk a little bit about what went wrong in the past with her and we'll potential she has for the future. Yes. I added that last part but that's because it gets real bummer three. If we only talk about the bad parts of things but TIGRA super excited that y'all asked about her it is such an incredible experience to think about. A character like this I started reading the Cat and then sort of worked through your best of I kind of avoided some of the lowlights. But you've read some of the lowlights haven't you? Sir I mean yeah. I guess. So I think that tiger is one of the characters that I am probably the least familiar with because a lot of the Erez the I was reading these books she was either not in or she was very very badly written as kind of hyper sexualize and round them in you know like that kind of. Like. This is intense and I read her whenever she was dating. Hank. Panel which was pretty. Terrible come was on people such a nice guy about it too. Right like total nice guy like she thinks on Nice. So angry like, Oh, now we're just friends her. Wow Dude that's intense and then for some reason Janet got back together with that guy and I just don't understand it but wonder if it could be perhaps the writers. Yeah. Writing. Writing well, so to your came out and I think it's like nineteen, seventy, two in the. I think that might be right. It is yeah and the cat is like just four issues about greer grant Nelson is really interesting because she was created to be very feminist character. She is the protege of a scientist who is like, Hey. Screw mankind. Let's help womankind and she's like I want to help women live at the utmost their potential physically mentally emotionally I wanNA harness female intuition and make it something that she can wield power and it's so cool. It's so fun like she's like. Empathetic and that's a superpower and it's like, yes, it is. This is so cool. Yes. It's written by Linda fight. So it's very important to note. It was written by a woman. Yes. because that was not a thing back then for the most part. So yeah, it was also part of a three comic initiative where Marvel Comics decided after not marketing women at all, they were going to try to sell three different comex that focused on women that were written by women, but they were thought of. So nightnurses one of the others, right right night nurse, and then there's a third one and Shanna the she devil. That's right. Shanna. The she devil, which is like sexy jungle ladies. So basically, all these comics were like sexy cat lady sexy nursing. Sexing Jungle Lady. So it was ridiculous just from the Star and then of course, after an actively not marketing to women for such a long time and then being like, here's all of a sudden we have bugs they took the failure in sales of these books as being indicative of the fact that like women just don't Wanna read comics basically instead of like maybe women don't want to read comics where they're hyper fucking sexual. Is Right and they did hire women for the most part to write the stories which was helpful like Marie Severin also did work on this and stuff like that. So there's women involved in this, but they didn't really have editorial control of any kind and like they were kind of presented with these ideas were they were like I mean there's a quote from Linda talking to Roy Thomas and just being kind of lake why. Why am I writing cat? Lady comically can't I. You know a superhero in her own right however because she did have that insight she did a good job on this comic on it and it's one of those coming. They kinda just never stood a chance because of all of the stuff that's around it and it doesn't really have much to do with the actual story, which is kind of fun. Honestly. Yeah. I mean I actually really liked to live what I've read of Tigra and it's because I've skipped the Bendix ship and. I'm like, why would I read that I have set and I if you did read it and you're pissed like you have nothing but my support yeah. As Carol, Danvers Fan, you have your support whenever we talk about Bennis writing a female. Guess what scarlet which is like one of my favorite characters. Women don't really fair to well, that's all I guess I. Can't I don't want to waste my breath seriously but that's is how I kind of look at the world is like I tend to focus on what I think is a good representation and try to get the ship. It's bad because like how many bad books have I read by white men like so many because we're trained in those books and we're educated him those books and it's like fuck that. So yeah, I mean we can't talk about the benefits a little I mean it's great. It's it's the PIMM run. You're talking about it's the there's you know sexual assaults essentially she's like hyper. I'm cat to and Horny I'M GONNA. Rub on all my teammates. It's like. Crack Black, hate it. Yeah. I don't like how men do that. Income X. or they're like, here's this lady and I'm like disgusted by her but attracted to her and so weird. So you're with a lot of characters amora poison ivy. Characters are kind of that like FEM towel archetype a little bit. But then of course, with tiger, they have the excuse of just completely removing any. kind of decorum I. Guess. Yeah. Because like greer after she's the cat, it is giant sized creatures number one rate name. Gets turned into the wear cat or the wear red or the cat people are like, Oh, no gross dying. We have to save her now she's a Cat lady enjoy this bitterly ironic turn of events. God, and then of course, she's always worried like a very tiny bikini and you know what? Whatever whatever you want girl but also she doesn't get to wear what you want and she gets to wear what men make for her. So yeah, I mean I think that I still really like her I. Think She's funny. I like this. She has this balancing her of the quickness of like Spiderman, but she also has a lot of heaviness in she lost her partner very young and she was pushed into marriage very young in in even though she wanted to go back to. College her husband didn't want her to, and then he died and he was a cop and then she finds out there's like a secret white supremacist arm of the cops jk it's all of them and she has to take them down and you know there's cool stuff that happens she gets to be cool. But it does seem like she ends up being this easy way for men to air their shitty feelings about women and yet to be like feminists are and women are, and it's like they try to hit her sexiness against her womanhood and it's like women can be sexy. Understand. Why they have to be sexy and horrifying or sexiest like dangerous, and there's always weird stuff with like Benda's. Rag on Benda's specifically. But like seriously, there's always weird stuff with him. I was just thinking about like whenever Janet Van Dying and Carol, Danvers are having a conversation and Carol Danvers just keeps being like you're lakes lead years something like in her head. But on paper they have a really interesting dynamic because is just like well, we can't do it without you Janet and Jan. it's just like okay I guess you talked me into it at all like funny. So to me like sometimes nail the character pretty good I think that there's moments with tiger where I'm just like Hanky out with even the vendors stuff, but then it's just like the overarching. Situation is just like. The I think that she started being written by a woman maybe we should bring back women to write this character I dunno Sarah that seems like a bridge too far. Let within right about women. Hard. Time with that. Just kidding does feel like it's particularly tied to her feminist roots. There's something about the fact that she was made to be feminist that makes men who are creators and writers her one to hyper sexualize. Herman you were telling me about one of a covers Yeah I mean that's a terrible story but at least. If you read Marvel Comics the untold story. You'll find some pretty aggressive stories behind that original the cat story because as I said, it was just kind of sexy ladies time or something, but they had women you know writing and working on the story. So yeah, at one point, there's a story that Marie Severin received the cover, which is like actually a really good cover wally wood inked hurt naked like had drawn her naked and had shown everything basically. So Marie Severin got that like on her desk and had to fix it and bring out the whiteout. Cover up the pubic hair like we can't fucking run this wally would imagine like the hostility of that workplace like to has any Andy. All. This shit. That happens in comics people do under these guises of leg. It's. And it's like, no, that's that's sexual harassment. You are clearly trying to harass her like there's no other reason you would do that to make a woman feel uncomfortable because he knew there's no way they were gonNA print it it's fucking larval I'm like I wish I was in front of him and could tell what I think. But yeah, well, I mean Murray's ever in talks about it. She didn't get interviewed that much in her lifetime but whenever she talks about how The men she'll just be like people say that women gossip but men gossip and they call it networking and she talks about how she sat at a table with them and we're just like sketching her notebook basically and trying to like completely ignore them which I think is just a huge estimate to what you literally had to do to working comics of the time. So the fact that Roy Thomas Hired his wife to work on this character and she was just like. Why are you making me? Right? A cat character this I wanNA write comex but I don't WanNa rate weird sexist trope comics like that's kind of too much but it turns out good despite that and I think that there's something to be said about Tigra kind of being able to still be really fun and really good. You know whenever people are actually her character instead of just this weird trope over woman who just wants to sleep with every guy I remember even. Reading her and this is like kind of a terrible time for her. But in the West Coast avengers, she was also kind of great because she draws lines right? She's dating Henry Pym for a second and he's a total jackass like he's a complete Nice Guy Jackass to her and she doesn't put up with like she leaves. She doesn't have anything to do with that guy. So the fact that there are stories were tigers like no I have boundaries what the fuck. I set my boundaries and you can respect them because I'm literally Tiger Woman I'll tear your face off i. think that's Great. I. Love. Sides of her I just don't see enough of it. You know it's like a huge bummer and I think that she's one of those characters almost more. So than a lot of the other characters that we talk about you know gets of the short end of the stick to the point where even I haven't read that much of her stuff and I'm like all about like this but it's hard to read some like it was going to say there's whole storylines that I find unreadable like I'm just. Like why would I do this and even the ones that are really good or that I liked Michelle Z. did a T. Gra run for tier one through four in the writing was really great. But the art was so hit and miss like they review these incredible whole sequences where it's all negative space all you the outline of her and she looks cool an intimidating and catlike and you know so so flexible and cool things that I I like about her and been it's like nipples everywhere and she's Wearing a tiny something you know you can basically see her butthole you know it's like what the fuck so I like her a lot. I get why she's so frustrating to like not because of her right because of how she's been treated by both it's so interesting because its Meta narrative, right like the the way that the comic creators who are who have written her poorly treated her. But then also how they replicate those systems of power in treatment inside the comic. So you now see her like you were saying with Hank Pym and you're like, oh, it's not hard to see what you're trying to do here buddy. Yeah it was so interesting to me because I felt like so often they would have female characters pitted against each other but you're dealing with characters Lake Janet van Dyne doesn't really do that. You know not sense like she was written terribly and like the sixty S. So know having Janet Van dyne versus Tiger Uh. With. Him and they were both kind of like we both don't really want. That to me was great because it's just like. They wouldn't that makes sense. Of course, the story is still just primarily focused on Hang Pan, which is why it was not that great story. But Louis C. These glimmers with her and she is a really really good character. What's more awesome than this character? She's like the wear cat that stuff is cool. You know I wanna read that character of course, and then whenever you have somebody who just writes her terribly or dismisses her because she's been written terribly then it's just a never ending loop. It just keeps repeating itself and I. Just I just hope that you know all of the Tiger fans out there who obviously exist and are very emphatic about. Both at least two of them wrote us this one question I just hope that you all get your just desserts. I hope that you get what you want out of this Kerry hope that somebody that actually respects this character gets to write her some time and. It just gets better for her because I is a huge bummer to. Wake. People just letting their sexism go on this character unchecked. You know totally and I think she has so much potential. About, her that hasn't been explored like, how does the CAT PEOPLE PERCEIVE GENDER? What is gender mean to her? Is She woman and not is she a non binary woman? Does she feel a war between her two sides or is that just people not being able to see women as people does she feel at peace? You know like we could do so much. I would love to see someone like a chew tear into Tigray in get in there and like explorer you know this character he's been treated garbage. You know yeah I mean, she one of the ones because I think that she is on par with somebody like Red Sonja or something. Was Written by Roy Thomas for a really long time like I. Really POPs up a lot when you're talking about incredibly sexist portrayals of women in the seventies and eighties but. It gets turned around you know Gail Simone starts writing Red Sonja and it gets so so much better. So Tiger I think is waiting for that story. She's had some good ones like I. Don't WanNa say that there's like all bullshit and her storyline because like I said, there's these moments retirement where I'm like L. Yes you are the best I totally support this character like I would buy a tiger a series in a second you know you best but also it's one of those things like with poison ivy or something where you're like I'm going to buy this comic I don't know what's going to be in it literally. Something terrible could happen to this character could be super sexist in the first few seconds or you know as you say lake, they'd the artist and writer don't seem to see eye to eye on what they're trying to communicate with the character. All of that stuff unfortunately does happen allow tiger I think that like the overall consensus is we just don't think that she's gotten what she deserves as far as story arcs go absolutely not and I. I. think that you're right she so ready for Fem San's you know like she came about in this important time in feminism it could be really cool to see someone who is a feminist. Cares about tennis representations of women and non binary person someone who gets what tiger it is about because I see so much. I, love like you were saying look I I read her like Shit Talkin dudes and I'm like, yes thank you. I see her beat up fifteen crooked cops and I'm like that's Great I. Love This. You know I see your flip off of a building and I'm like that is so cool. She is so cool and also like Tiger woman like you said. I love it. I. Get the hold ups with women being compared to cats my God but that's because it's gone. So wrong, it's glass. It's gone so wrong. So many times that we're so overdue for it to go. Right? We're so overdue for a great Tigris story absolutely where would you take your like if you if you got Tigra tomorrow, what do you think you would do just like off the top of your head Oh. Just take it back to basics. Probably try to go as you say, probably like question a little bit of the extremely binary way in which he has been presented and kind of basically just question that original arc a little bit and kind of look and see where she can go. You'd have to make sure that she was being a sexual character but not be gross about it which hang league. I'm going to say straight guys have not done great with that with this character agreed I think just emphasizing stuff like that I would love to emphasize a sex positive story with her and like some Nice. Yeah. Basically, just you know any kind of stuff like that it's hard to say 'cause you'd have to go into kind of her past a little bit, but you'd also have to look at A. New Way of telling tigers stories I think, and so yeah I, don't know I'd have to think about it a little bit more but those would be major themes for me I think absolutely know I think, I would give her a bff some woman who isn't going to treat her like shit all the time because after that initial run of she's pretty much around men or women who don't like her and. I actually think lots of heroes would like her I totally beef with would have with her. No that's the thing riot league tiger would be super fun to hang out with guys always think that women are like intimidated or when a fight with each other. We, all want to hang out with tiger. Give me a break like Oliver hanging out with her. She's so cool. I don't give a shit who she dates are flirts with like I really don't care like it's fun to be around people were super flirty and stuff. I. Don't know that's fine I just I once again men, what did what did you do? Why did you? Like. That's our other podcasts men. Why did you do it? Well, yeah. So let us know what you think of. Tigrayan. We know we have some die hard fans who were listeners. Thank you for your amazing question. Thank you for carrying about a character who like so cool and so under utilized but we'd love to hear what you're thinking. If you could write teague relic, where would you taker? Yeah tell us. We want to know. I'm just saying that I'm going to hit. We didn't I'm just like I. Don't know if this should be in the next radio interviews by. Just getting. Your favorite platforms? Anytime it feels right. This week's comic of the week is very the lead by Gabby done and it is illustrated by Clare Ro. By McGill more Miguel Morteau. Letters by Mike Fiorentino. Okay this was my my favorite indie comic of Twenty Nine Nineteen. I loved I loved it I. Think it is so fun. It. super-duper Queer, it's Lake unapologetically a commentary on the state of the world of comics and journalism, and it's just cute. How does it do all those things at once I? Don't know it's steamy. Sex scenes. Scott cute bisexual disasters flirting with each other love that like everything about it I just love it. Yeah. It's really good. It is a kind of a murder mystery situation I. Mean I had no idea what this coming was gonna be about. So yeah, I was surprised by. The clearness of the story was basically just one day. One of them being lake. Do you happen to lay be into me and then the other one being like I do happen to be into giant? Her is your thing does like eyebrows and then the next page has just having sex and a whole. Gorgeous. Page. Wage Oh That is that is what I'm into comics for delightful sex scenes. I appreciated just being kind of like Oh. Yeah plus gay sex. On up of all this other stuff. Sometimes, you read stuff where the Queer story is just kind of stilted or you're just like, why would these two characters even be and each other or something and you don't see it? You know it's the same with a lot of straight relationships where you're like I don't know why these two characters would even like each other like the smooth set that up for me at all. But yeah, in this one, it was just kind of like the spontaneity of it sometimes and how yeah. It just kind of happens for those two after they've been working together for a while and stuff I thought that that made it seem pretty true. Yeah. It felt very real to like the sword of happenstance. Connections. Happen you know. Yeah, and it's not you know epic love story or something is basically just a relationship that's happening while this other stuff is going on. So yeah, I mean all of that to me is pretty realistic in so I commend it and think it's a really good. You know maybe temporary relationship that they're both going into. Yeah. But like still allowed to be positive like nobody's. freaking out about it. It's it's really nice like you said, it feels very true very real right and it's really the story of the main character and her being an intern, and then becoming a more advanced journalist through this weird relationship she has with the murderer censor messages, right? Yes. Oh, she goes to see the murder by the person who everybody thinks is the murderer and right away she calls it and was like you didn't kill these people. What are you talking about like? Husband and her son right. Yeah. You didn't kill these people and then she's just like I definitely did. Thank you. She's like, no, I. Killed Them is super killed them checkout how the ways I killed. Way Too much and it's like. Doth protest too much. Then that becomes a new story in and of itself because she hasn't talked yet. So she just couldn't right. She only talks to her. That's right. Right. So she'll only talk to her and that's kind of the setup rate is like this girl wants to stop being an intern. She gets mad whenever that story breaks because. She's the news instead of being the reporter of the news, and so that's pretty cool. I don't know. I liked how it treated journalism. Definitely I thought that was interesting and it's like, thank God because. So often we have characters that are journalists and we don't get to see anything cool from that. Superman and Lois, lane at the daily planet and it's just like what's happening at the daily planet nothing basically sometimes, it plays end but it's it's fairly rare a story that's been going for like eight years you know. Listen comics are like so entwined in one another and at least representations of WHO's doing journalism whatnot in the comics and it was nice to see someone be like, okay. Yeah. Let's talk about it. Let's really explore what are journalists experiences like with this sort of world and I just. I love to. It's super good. I mean the art is great. The colors are great. They have kind of a unique kind of a deeper color Palette that they use a lot of blues and purples and things like that, and it looks really nice. It's very kind of neo nor you know it's definitely has a lot of those. Too, it but it's skewed like everyone of the tropes are kind of skewed a little bit to make it more interesting. So I think that they did great on this coming I see why you would call this your favorite of twenty nineteen I didn't read it in twenty, nine, hundred I just read it yesterday. So I can't I can't hold it up and try to tell but this is one of the better comics that you could pick up definitely what I really liked to is like it just let squareness be a part of life it doesn't have to be like a big remarked upon thing but it is plays with like people have to come out in the world even even if you are openly queer for however long. So the main characters by and she meets a cute boy in their flirting and she's like I have something I have to tell you I'm by and he starts laughing and she's like what the fuck and he's like I'm by. All these cuties. cuties flurries legged so sweet. Like what a fun way to represent like a queer relationship to like let things be weird and let people have awkward relationship conversations. Again, it feels so real. It feels so tenderly and intentionally rot tens of people color in it. Lots of strong bats, women, tons of awesome queer characters it just for me it had all the elements that I love in an a great comic and it brought them together. So uniquely and let I like you said that Color Palette because it's got that neo noir, feel that rich darkness right with their dark colors but they're rich and so they just I feel like they convey a mood of like heaviness but intriguing, it is such a murder mystery. You just saw going to flip it and read it. So quickly because you're like what what what what what? What what she didn't she did. And I love it. Yeah. It was really compelling I. Loved The lady in jail. Funny she was hilarious. She just kind of A. Knows knows how to tell a story knows how to keep people entertained. Drawing her and at every turn and I always appreciate a character. They can do that great neo nor. kind of murder mystery stuff I mean this is all stuff where I'm somebody said those words I'd be like Oh. Yeah. I'm totally going to read that it's queer. Neo Nor murder mystery I've never heard of the like you know it would go pick that up immediately know what's not to like. Like. Out of you. Oh. Really Cool. Powerful characters who make interesting decisions. Great. I. Love It. Neo Noir Oh. You know just yeah. Every single thing we can say about this comic is Not good enough to describe it, and at the same time should be a great reason to pick it up, bury the lead Gabby done super duper incredible fund and I'm coming back into it. You said Sarah about the colors I think they really are such an important part of how the story is told I always love when the colors are part of what makes something click in on. It just this book delivers on. A podcast that is all about. The comic books more accessible to lgbtq folks and women. So if you have a question about relief, the comics comic adaptations pop culture in general conventions cost play new name it. That's what we're here for. You can send us your questions at bitches on comics at g mail dot com unfortunately Jima does not like the word bitch they're pretty judgy about it so we can't have it spelled out it is be dot T. C. H. E. S. O. N. C. O. M. ICY S at gmail.com and remember there's no I'm bitch. If, you'd like to support the podcast you can do so by rating and reviewing us on Itunes spotify stitcher or wherever you listen to podcasts. I'm Sarah Century and you can find me www dot sarah century dot com and twitter and instagram still Sarah. Century on those I'm se flea or you can learn more about me at Se Flea Dot Com you can find me on twitter and Instagram at se underscore flee north. which is on comics is recorded by Kate Warner who plays in the band church fire. You can find them at Church Fire Music Dot Com our music is recorded by Katie Taylor who plays as Earth control pill. You can find her music at birth control pill. Band Camp Dot COM, which is uncommon recorded in. Denver Colorado. We want to recognize indigenous peoples who have inhabited and do inhabit this land. IRAP AJO nation, the nation, the Cheyenne nation, and others who have been erased from our history and collective memories through colonization.

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Episode 68.0: Harley and Ivy are still on the naughty list

Bitches on Comics

28:20 min | 7 months ago

Episode 68.0: Harley and Ivy are still on the naughty list

"Bitches on comics and happy holidays. I'm your host. Se flee nor i am your other host serious century also enjoying the holidays overhear. Yes we both love a cold and winter and being inside check. Check check under a blanket covered blanket with a bunny on your lap rabbit. yes I am sitting by the fire with my dog. Who is definitely from the desert who sits so close to the fire. I'm afraid he will catch lame but His older brother did once. And we put it out so i think we can handle it. It'll be okay if it happens. Yeah we got a game plan and its dammit which works. Usually you know something that loyal listeners will know as sarah and i are not always the hugest fan of the holidays. But if you're gonna have to live through this time of year you gotta find ways to cope and one of mine is comics and comic related programs that are holiday centric and then also the bob's burgers holiday episodes and sarah. You're a big fan of some special christmas holidays style things as well. Yeah basically any time. Superheroes tried to celebrate the holidays. It's always really funny to me. Because they don't know how to do it and like they always mess it up and I think that that is especially true. Here i mean. The only person who succeeds i think is red tornado. Both of them get into that. Good old christmas spirit. But today we're talking about some batman episodes and if there is anybody in this world that doesn't know how to celebrate christmas it's wolverine but the second person is definitely batman man. Yeah for understandable reasons because he has like some christmas time hangups. Crime doesn't take a holiday. Neither do are never take holidays. Gosh probably should. I might wanna try so. We're talking about christmas. With the joker from batman the animated series and the next one which is holiday nights from the new batman adventures which is like the same thing right. but just the branding. They rated that show three times and brave and the bold. What was the name of this episode invasion of the secret santa's point so i wanted to get that across. Yeah they always. Do so brave and the bold really fun for all of the obvious reasons but the exclamation points really help. They really do christmas with. The joker is maybe the most famous episode of batman the animated series. I would say. I think that almost anybody would be able to reference this is mark hamill joker it is very finest. He escapes his. We've argument at christmas tree so funny. It's really funny. Yeah and he's seeing jingle bells. Batman robin yeah. I never think jokers funny. But i do think this joker is funny. I think the mark hamill has this gray ability of going between actual laughs and then just being so so scary at the same. Yeah totally so. He's the one. I mean if you're going to talk about the person who excels at the most. I'd say it's him but there's many jokers that are of many flavors there's three jokers in fact sorry comic books Anyone inside a speech is three jokers. You must choose. The higher joker actions yeah jokers seems pretty high in this episode. He basically just goes missing right so batmans like. Oh my god. We've got a patrol patrol patrol. It's time to patrol and all dick wants to do is like can we please watch is a wonderful life and like no there will be crimes that must be dealt with the bat signal indica. God damnit he's always worried he's like. I never watched it. Because i could never get past the title like just there until completely rain on dick's parade pretty much late is just like i just want to hang out and have a christmas. I'm the batman batmans. Don't have christmas batman. We have christmas. My dad was a doctor. And i am a batman. Yeah we work at night. We don't get christmas but there's nothing going on right like the kind of jesus christ but then they do get that bat signal. Is you side. And it's our friend. The joker oh right. It's not even the bachelor at sit down to watch the movie and jokers on every channel. Yeah and he basically just like. Hey mike kelsen people whose game i some dead people get that noodle working overtime batman kaz. I'm barry commit murder on christmas and batmans just like looks at dick late. See full jew index. Just like jesus fucking christ like let's just go beat this guy up. I told you. I am the batman and we do not have says index just like. I don't even know what to say. I just wanted to sit. Not allowed chum too good so yeah. Try get joker and they succeed. Classic like joker batman animated episode. Yeah he tries to blow up a bridge. Batman stops his henchmen who are named donner and blitzen. The record then he's like an old warehouse where there's like a joker in lubbock says there always is actually creepy music holiday. Yeah the dance sugar plum fairy as well. He's like fighting a giant soldiers. We soldiers so it's all basically a hell of jokers design. This is how the joker sees christmas absolutely my god. It's so funny just like perverted toys. That are late coming to life to kill you and you should just little lewisville's personal harley as there. Oh yeah. I don't know what he does like. She's just kind of like there. And she opens a present in yeah. She's very random. But you know. I'll take early days. Yeah this is like one of her early appearances. It's not the first one but it might be like the second or third right and she's still just kind of another henchman at this point right. She's sexy henchmen. Who giggles like. That's it yeah. But they ended up getting the drop. On joker yeah it's all the classic elements and then of course they go back to the mansion and Bruce in mind it's a wonderful life at turns out does have its moments. It does have. Its moments as bruce wayne hater of fun and joy. I love it. It's totally ridiculous like you said it's one of the jokers. I can really like enjoy. Yeah yeah. I'm not a huge fan. Neither of us but it was. It was fun to see him sort of be more of that like really funny but really dangerous character. I actually laughed out loud a couple of times which i usually don't laugh at all with joker so at all yeah gaya. That was what was interesting about. This one was that he is actually kind of funny. Like that. thing with the dance of the sugarplum. Fairies is honestly hilarious. If you're going to try to kill somebody you wouldn't just like shoot them. You would do this you know. There's something really funny about it and then like you know there's a classic moment where he almost falls into the thing he was going to use to kill people and then he gets caught by batman and spirit at the last moment and he's like pissed off you know he's a fucking batman. Yeah perfect yeah it really is i enjoy. This is actually one of the best. I would say one of the best joker stories to a fun batman story. It's a fun robin story because the whole time you just are like dick. Your your childhood is weird man and then the joker actually being funny and having camel be behind this character. Which i kind of miss i agree. He's such a good job with like making his voice gravelly. Yeah really does okay. So the next one we have is about holiday nights. Which was the premiere episode of the new batman adventures. It is the same show which was rebranded from batman. Tia's to the adventures of batman and robin to then the new batman adventures all the same show all the same storyline. The style ism is like a little bit different like gets a little bit dialectic and sleep. The intros are like the same on all. And it's like sam. You know paul dini's still behind it. It's like same same same pretty much. So this episode is. I've seen it a lot of times. I watched it a lot as a kid. Watching it back makes me understand certain things about myself. It's like surprisingly really high at the beginning. I just kind of like pushes okay. So they're both just sitting and harley as just. Oh i wanna have like a christmas christmas stead at a diet you know which once again we talk about this again and again harleys a jewish character. I always think that we maybe could stand to hear a little bit more about that. I would love to hear about her relationship to judaism 'cause it's mostly just to her celebrating christmas and stories but that aside because that's a whole episode that neither of us is the best person to. Yeah yeah yeah. We'll have that episodes someday soon. I'm sure but basically she's talking about how much she wishes to have. A christmas and poison ivy just goes like dom and just starts leg pushing her down on the bed and lake in hurley's just in her underwear and she's smiling so big time of my life. Poison ivy has her hand where she was kind of henning harley to the bed a little bit and you're just like what the fuck man saucy opening really got away with a lot here like kinda surprising. It's looking love. Actually when the british guy comes the us and the women are like we are so poor we have to share a bed and we don't even have money for clothes. I feel like that's what harley and ivy are doing only era ben like slash. This is the best experience of my life there in like a tiny like kitchen apartment and there is only one bed. Oh there's two of them in the thing about the structure of the episode is there's like three sub stories with an it goes from december twenty second to january first and there is a comic book adaptation. I believe conflict comes second. But i'm not sure it's also in by polity by paul dini and there's some extra jokes in the comedy to that. I think are really good. And they talk about her being jewish yes address where she's like. Aren't you jewish. And she was like. Yeah it's still can celebrate christmas. Yeah actually the comic is first and the tv show is the adaptation of the comic. So the more you know. And the tv show there is no mention of her being jewish. No but if you want to read that comic as you watched the special which i highly recommend it's called the batman adventures holiday special nineteen ninety-four number one and yes written by dini and it is almost like shot for shot the exact same ours liquor to which is. Yeah which is funny. But yes harley does talk about jewish in that and is exactly like you said like. Oh let's who cares. I can also do this so yes. It's december twenty second. There poorer not wearing enough clothing. So cold i wish each other around. They just have to huddle together on their bed. Their one of their four for two beds. It's hot it's so high. I was just like oh my god. This is a cartoon. But what's up. you love to see it. You know indeed indubitably so then they're like well we need money. Who has money bruce wayne. Yeah it's so funny because this whole episode is just them pranking that guy so hard. There's like oh bruce wayne's under the mistletoe and all these women like try to mob him basically so it's like there is that acknowledgement of him as a sex symbol. But neither harley or ivy. Have any interests like that right. it's totally just. I'm using him because he's a rich prop for them. It's so funny and it feels so In line with both of them as characters and when you take a step back from it you're like well this is like almost a good thing right or like taking money from this millionaire and like yes. They buy some nice things for themselves. Which like and they have so much fun. It's such a date night right like surge so cute together in this episode. I was just like it's wild. How many people watch those just like. Those two are very good roommates to each other. I'm just like Yeah no they're definitely fucking Lady time roommates who share a bed who also laid literally are on this beautiful date together where they're just like reach for the skies steal all that you want from this like department store fuck rich people just like yeah you marry that girl lake you marry the girl that takes you the department store by like robbing bruce wayne but you know that's just what i would do. I don't want to tell anybody else live. It's a pretty good way to live. Yeah so you. Batman figures out. What's happening. He falls down the elevator shoe. And they're just like. Oh i guess we're gonna kill him anyway. That was literally one of the funniest things i've ever seen as being like. Oh hey di no. But i love when. They're like on their shopping spree. And they both put on lake sixties clothes or seven point at each other and then like are about to kiss like yes is so sweet and they're like really feels. I mean this is the cutest moments in this entire series. There's a lotta sweet father son bonding you know. And stuff like that. For a bruce. And dick in the series and selena's really cool but it's mostly just her trying to prove herself to him or him just like not trusting her i guess and then her being like yeah well. You should have trusted me from the beginning. Yeah there's other cute moments but this is literally the most romantic episode of this entire series. I think i completely agree. They're just so cute and they're just having a good time you know like yes technically. They're doing something illegal but look they're not murdering a bunch of people all they're just like hey. It's the holidays. This guy has more money than he was. Do with like. get ourselves something special. And i hard time condemning. That personnel wanted christmas. I might give you a christmas. And i'm just like oh my god what. I wouldn't give to be either one of those little mary you to also lake. Let me be there to when they have a really cool fight scene at the segment. Where harley and i are still on the naughty list it was so kinky suggest leg. That line is just like seared into my mind. I will never ever forget it. And it's like yes. You are naughty. Indeed and of course. Batman beat sam because it's his show but it's cute because that christmas tree crushes them which is hilarious. They both get like pinned to the ground by the christmas tree. And she's like you got your stupid tree or you. Happy in harley goes yeah. We just went on a beautiful date with the love of my life. Of course. i'm happy. No it's so sweet. I was just like i love this episode like i loved this as a kid. It holds up really well for sure everybody. Thanks for listening to the pot. We're super pumped to have you here with us. You know what you can do to help us out. Is you can rate and review us on your favorite podcast platform. We're not even asking you to go to multiple platforms baby. Just choose what you're already listening to hop on in their gives stars. You give us anything less. I will cry then right. A nice word like oh these bitches. That's good enough. We love it. The next segment is about back girl. Barbara and clays. And so there's like this. One kinda sucks because break capitalists. She's a cop. Yeah hundred thousand leg. It's just kind of. I mean klay in this. He's not as defiant as he is. Sometimes you know so. His character isn't as fun as we'd like it to be. It's a really short story is a fun little fighting basically. So it's not so bad or anything yet cleveland. Some cool stuff. That i was like. Oh that's cool. Like i always forget that his body can do pretty much anything. I do want to note that renee montoya and she looks good. Yeah this is like a thirst episode for me. Because i was just like. Oh and here's renee montoya leg dressed like an elf and stuff and like not wearing pants at all. And i'm totally fine with that and then harvey is. Isn't it as santa which is really funny too but yeah it was fine. It was cute. Not enough rene. Of course Was being a helicopter which she was sometimes on this show. And that's fine. I guess for her on the show you know then. We cut to december thirty first. So we skip right over the christian holiday and it's joker time because it's always going to be joker time issued a compilation right and he's just screaming just going off. It's actually pretty cute. It is kinda also thought this one was like a pretty decent joker story. And then there's like a beaumont where batman like figures out the the scheme you know and it's like oh this'll be easy joker will stand out in any crowd and then jobs cheeky. He gave everyone a mask of him. I appreciate that that was cute. 'cause it's like you know befuddling batman is always like kind of an adorable move. I guess it's true. Yeah yeah like. This is kinda cute and flirty too. Yeah you're right. There is a good amount of flirtation going on. And then you know. Here's the official summary. Puts it the ever. Alert dark knight. Snatches the bottle and sprays over the controls because you know joker hidden in the back of the head with a champagne bottle and then he wins stuff then he wins last. Little bit is january first and the next day but it's only hours after midnight. We like cut to a cafe and commissioner gordon's like having a cup of coffee and the servers leg. I think you'll be drinking alone tonight. News like no my friend. I gonna be here. My friend is coming safety. And he's there and then he's like that's nice gym and then like leaves exactly and gyms like all right. You got me feel like but the whole park goes please. Yeah i would ship them almost except for. I really do like them. Just as being weird friends there boso awkward and strange and gyms just like maybe just a okay. Yeah i love it. it's so funny. The final episode. We'll be discussing is actually from the batman the brave and the bold or batman the even the bold and This one is called invasion of the secret. Santa's it is so cute. I really liked this one. Yes same i loved. I thought it was great. Ps brave and the bold is a super underrated cartoon. So if anybody wants to watch something. That's really sweet. Starring batman then. That's a pretty great place to start and he has like a little bit of that. Johnny bravo humor so goofy feared than the other series. We're just talking about the batman slash lashley new adventures about it captured. That sixty s field batman has modern right. So it's actually really good. I just don't think enough people loved that series. Because i'm just like i loved it. I watch it all the time. It's super cute. yes it has. That cold open live like sports master. I love sports master. I think he's funny villain bullying and fighting batman and blue beetle. Oh i know what cuteness too. Because i'll have that man. Yeah and then. Like i live where he's talking to his suit and then he's like. I don't think batman talks to his sued. Like i don't think suits sentient dick. Yeah exactly. it's so funny. I really wish that that character had been in the series more because that was a really fun little short appearance because all of the episodes always have a cold open. That goes for a few minutes and they're always really fun. But then it goes into the greater episode which is red tornado who is an android. I guess what we would say but definitely kind of a complicated old school dc hero who in the original days. I believe shared a body with i forget her name ma something but she's like kind of an older lady. They've changed red tornado. A whole bunch of times. And this. I believe red tornado is just an android lake. There's not an alternate personality or anything and it's again very cute. It's so funny because he'd like poses as like a college professor but like looks exactly the same and is an android toxic and android like discusses things like christmas. Spirit and red tornado's like christmas spirit heard of this. Yeah and so like the whole story is red tornado trying to feel christmas. Spirit right yeah. He's decorating his house. He's making presents. he's going caroling. And he's like i don't feel any and batman of course being the worst person to talk to you about the hall. It's just like having traumatic flashbacks childhood. And how his parents were killed. I was brad the night that my parents died. I lived at no matter what's happening. It is relevant specifically to the death of his pass. God yeah every add up tation that kita christmas. He died at the opera movie. And its way. I guess what happened on valentine's day death. Yeah his parents died. I hope you didn't play celebrating you. Monster so like yeah. That's basically like every batman story but this one it makes it so inappropriately hilarious because he's just like sad and upset about it and then red tornadoes just leg. I don't know what the christmas spirit is like. do you want to fight the villain. 'cause funhouse shows who unleashes an army of robots and. Oh my god. It's so cute. Oh man they fight the santa's which is always. I love anything where someone has to fight santa. Because it's just like you know there's something just so wrong about fighting santa right but it's like really funny 'cause you're like you shouldn't be doing that but he they're not the you're fighting santa. Oh to q it is cure. Yeah and of course. Red tornado finds the christmas spirit. And the ends very touching heaven batman and batman. Just like i like christmas spirit to like fighting crime more than he says again. Chrome doesn't take a holiday and neither do okay. About man i hope. Red tornado had a good christmas. At least sorry about your parents again. Oh isn't returning again. Like blown up at the cia having to be taken to star lab. And he's like oh. This is a wonderful sensation. The christmas batmans like nope longtime ago. Sad stuff happened. And i'm obsessed about it still. And i'll never not be upset and it's relevant everything that happens. Oh my gosh. And then alfred leaves him a president in his car. And you're like alfred. you're too good too good for this this batman however much they're paying you alfred. All i can say is it is not enough. Oh my god no not enough. That whole bag of issues to hold him always crying oof lot of crying. I'm guessing yeah. Yeah so if you're looking for something to do with your holiday. We have recommendation. Those are all really good. Christmas with the joker holiday nights an invasion of the secret. Santa's truly giggle worthy delightful. Some of the best joker representations sit. Good time i ship it everything that happens in these episodes. We're a podcast. That is all about making comic books more accessible to lgbtq folks and women so if you have a question about anything related to comics comic -tations pop culture in general conventions cost. Play new name it. That's what we're here for. You can send us your questions at bitches on comics at gmail.com. Unfortunately jima does not like the word bitch. They're pretty judgy about it so we can't have it spelled out it is be dot t. c. h. e. s. o. n. c. o. m. ics gmail.com and remember. There's no i'm bitch. If you'd like to support the podcast you can do so by rating and reviewing us on itunes spot a fire stitcher or wherever you listen to podcasts. I'm sarah surgery and you can find me at. Www dot sarah century dot com and twitter and instagram. still sarah century on those. I'm sec nor you can learn more about me at saf dot com didn't find me on twitter and instagram at se. 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Episode 64.0: Spy stuff, Russia stuff, spy stuff

Bitches on Comics

35:46 min | 8 months ago

Episode 64.0: Spy stuff, Russia stuff, spy stuff

"Welcome to on comics. I am sarah century. I am going to travel to sweden with a group of friends for a festival that occurs only once every ninety years only to find myself in the clutches of a pig and colt nine messy and the pacific northwest in one thousand nine hundred eighty three. I let a loving and peaceful existence but when my pine scented haven was savagely destroyed by a cult led by sadistic monitoring jeremiah sand. I was appointed into phantasmagoric journey bill with bloody vengeance and laced with deadly day. We have a question from self-described loyal listener hayden halo elizabeth hayden. We w i recently read black widow volume one shields most wanted and was bored as hell. Honesty i love. This is the third time. I've tried to get into black widow. And i have no good reason for not liking her her books. I love action movies and comics spy stuff and redheads. Hey i appreciate the love. But for some reason i can't put my finger on it. The story just doesn't hit for me. This is so frustrating. Are there any characters or stories that y'all know you should love. But for some reason they just don't work for you. Would it be a question. Yes yes the end. That's the record. I don't wanna get into this. I'm just going to say that there's current x. Men stuff that doesn't work for me. sorry everybody. I don't talk about it on twitter because everybody is having such a good time. But there's things where. I'm like a-list enjoying that. We want that for you. Oh yeah that's all of it for the most part. I mean jeeze but yeah no. There's definitely things where i'm just like. Everybody liked those. Are you sure i mean. I think that we both have that like. That's why the last man. I think for both of us both lake. Everybody loves this. And i just cannot get into it for. I mean reasons that we could go into. That are very valid in my opinion but a lot of people can pick it up and be like this is a fun. Goofy weird sci fi story from. It's time you know. I think it was like the early two thousands or something that it came out. I don't remember but i didn't enjoy it. Yeah and i think it's always tricky for us. Because i think as critics it's literally our job to figure out why we don't like something so i don't like something i just think about it a lot like around a lot a lot. Almost more. it's harder. It's harder to think of something nice to say about something than it is. Say something mean to say about it Would you like think shoe right. Look it's irritating me so much have to know what the fucking thing is and why it bothers me. You know yeah. People don't always understand that. I think about critics because it'll be something where it's lake. Alright something that is negative. I'll watch something that i don't like and then it's just like oh my god i hate it this and this and this and this week will pass and i'm like i thought it was okay. You know so. It's like i'll change a lot. My views on almost any are loosen over time. I dislike things less after. I've had time to sit within justify a little bit more and i just think that a lot of times critics people. Just don't get at all you know it's like oh this one thing that you said in like nineteen ninety nine or whatever should be what you believe even like twenty some odd years later or something. It's just like no. Oh my god. My beliefs have changed on that film literally three days after i wrote that piece. Well it's also like i have a professional responsibility to examine the parts. That don't work right. It's rare that i write anything. That is just completely glowing. Unless i'm only focusing on one aspect right like if i'm writing just talking about this one thing in this bigger work i'm not gonna get into all the other problems or what might be problems because that's not what i'm here for her right. Generally if i'm writing about a work as a whole. I'm usually say you know this part didn't work for me. This is really problematic. Or what have you so. I'll link maybe to somebody else who talked. Yes you i'll be like this is maybe something you should be aware of before you jump into this story. Because i'm a big fan of comic books. Which means if i'm recommending anything before like the year twenty ten or something it's like this might be real dicey late in a certain spy if you can get through it. It's good you know but you know at this point we would turn down a story like this just because it has this offensive element to it right. But you know there's a lot of things that are foundational to comments or something even if you're just like read this comic the sandman or something. It's like there's going to be stuff. That's really rough for you. And the san man you know. Oh yeah there's gonna be a real graphic intense blink you know. I'm sorry i didn't write it sometimes. Like i mean nine times out of ten. I'll look at something and be like. Here's what i liked it. Because i think that i don't know i sound really mean when i criticize things and i think that people will take it very personally and i won't think about how mean it is and then i'll just be like. Oh my god. I was just a visceral this thing. Because you're finally sharpened tool. Your point is to be as cute and specific as possible and vice cutting. It hurts when someone is very very clear. But what's not working. Oh yeah yeah one hundred percent. Yeah i try to like lighten on it a little bit just because some of the biggest things that i regret in my writing are times whenever i've been too critical and i'm just like okay. You didn't need to bring this five other things. But then sometimes the things that i regret are when i'm actually too nice about something because i'm like i should have been a little bit more critical about this thing. 'cause this piece of art for whatever reason has hurt somebody over the years or whatever i don't know is complicated. This has nothing to do with the question that you asked but it does get does away. I liked it so we're keeping it. Oh yeah we're keeping like either way lake has to stay because we only have so much time to record so it's tangent it is the tangent podcast sometimes. That's for sure. Well all all podcast in all fairness are the tangent podcast to share it. I think it's fair to not always know where you stand. With black widow. I think various specifically is a character. Who people have really flattened how interesting she can be multiple times and that even when people do good stories with her sometimes. They're still flattening her into this lake. X. ballerina regrets times before spy now because of trauma a excellent at playing both sides and all of this stuff now. In my opinion there are many many interesting black widow stories. I just got finished writing a piece on all of these. Obgyn's ends that were released in the nineties. And yeah i mean she comes across kind of flat. Generally and i can understand why it doesn't always hit you because she is not always written that well i guess i don't know even in kind of her better stories. There's times are just like so question. Mark yeah specifically about black widow. I tried to read the whole volume. And i was very bored so i don't think you're alone hayden. I think i made it through three issues. That specific run. This is the two thousand sixteen title. Yeah i mean it's like trying to be an action film but like you know. Action films are more than explosions and murder. I mean good ones right right. That was what was hard for me in this in like i was thinking about it. Because there's a lotta panels that have no words. And there's like pages of panels with no words and i was like. Is that my problem. And i'm like no. I fucking love shit. That has no words and like has barely any plot. Like that's my job when it comes to comex weird comics but i'm like to me really is like well. What's the tasha feeling. All we're seeing her killing people and then her people talking about her by. She's not really active in her own story. She's she is in like a technical sense because she's actively killing people or writing them but it always has like seven other things going on and you never really know what she's going through emotionally people really keep her at an arm's length i think whenever they're telling stories about her which i think is a mistake. Because i think it's like oh. She's a spy like they don't have feelings. They don't experience things and part of what i was going to critique about the book is it felt like a bit like an mc marine which like. I enjoy them see you. I'm not fully hating it. But i don't think it has a ton of emotional depth. There are plenty of that defy that to be fair. Yeah however when. I think about the winter soldier one of the things i really like about. It is the way that natasha. It's not that she's treated like she could be the bad guy right. Because i never buy that. But it's the way she reacts when she realizes even the people she trusts see her as dubious right like riotous. And that i think is what's interesting about her and literally. That's the setup for this run. You know she's been blacklisted. By shield is literally exactly like how win cap is running out of shield headquarters tries gillian. I'm like this should work like this should work but it doesn't come together and that's the other thing i wanted to talk about is if it was easy to write stories. That were amazing. We wouldn't have any flops like we wouldn't have craft classes. We wouldn't have people who forty bucks and then their forty first book. I think i finally got it. We think those books are great but that person is you know self evaluating because there is always something with stories. i always think best described as genocide. There's something that makes stories come together. I have lots of different thoughts about what that can be. I think it often has to vulnerability. We read things because they make us feel something that might tell like hippy. Dippy oshii goshi. But i'm an editor. I know what i'm saying. Here it is important for there to be emotional tenor to a story. Otherwise we stop reading it. And that's why. I stopped reading black widow in this specific instance. This two thousand sixteen run. I had no sense of what was at stake. I had no sense of the emotions. Yes she got turned out as a spy. Okay but that's happened to her before. I don't know what the stakes are there like you know. I'm watching a shield agent. Say hey i'm gonna beat you up the tasha and no part of me believes him like no part of me is like what if he does. He might get her this time. I'm like this isn't a talk show romanov. I'm really not impressed. So what's the stakes. What's happening where are we going from. Here what is she feeling. What's going to change for her. If this sticks what does she lose right. Like where will she go. We don't have a real sense of that so it's hard for us to emotionally. Buy into the story. If i were to diagnose what was not resonating at least for me that would be what i say is like i don't know i don't know what she feels. She want's don't know what she cares about. Because i think she's this almost ubiquitous character. Who is like you said. Sarah constantly flat. There isn't any built in emotion for me for her either. I don't i don't know what she cares about. So why do i care hint. I don't and so righty yeah i. I think it's interesting. Because i think out of characters that marvel has black widow has a ton of memorable moments and not a ton of memorable stories though like there will be a ton of moments with her where i'm just like holy shit lake whenever she shoots daredevil in the chest one day because she just is like year about ready to fuck everything up and i can't have you doing so she just shoots him and he's lake You shot me. And she's just like. I didn't kill you and it's like this. Nice thing that she did was not murder him because like it was down to that for her it was like am. I going to have to kill this guy. He's literally one of the only people i've ever cared about in my life and i think that that's so interesting and there's so many moments like that. I also love her as a supporting character. I think that she is a really good character to have whenever you know you need somebody. Who has their eye on the prize. No matter what you'll have all of these emotional outbursts from everybody and she's just like you fools. We need to make it to the god damn finish line and i think that that's very interesting for her. But i am going to say that this is definitely a character who a lot of times has come across flat as hell because it's just people taking off their you know lake okay so traumatic past in russia at the there's always some annoying stereotypes about russia only it feels like she's stuck in a loop rightly constant this fucking shit about her and i think that's why so. Many people were really frustrated by her representation in was at the second avengers film or the third withdrawal. Sweden did all the flashbacks to her in the red room. Come on to me. Like when i think about that. What's so frustrating is like i don't want to be defined by trauma. Certainly it influences. Who i am. Certainly there are ways. It will show up when i'm triggered when i'm having a hard day or whatever it is and that's all valid but i don't spend every day reflecting on the worst things that have happened to me and then last my main motivator you know like i'm trying to different life. I do like how they will do things with her. Her movie representations has been bad. But i do like the fact that they have her being this character. Who is taking care of everything while everybody else is off dealing with their own bullshit and there's emotional problems. She is just like sandwich. Do you want to eat sandwich. I just like that about her. You know like. I like the part where she is emotionally. Kind of not correct. You know. she's a character who people they don't know how to interact with her sometimes because she really is just like here are the list of things that i know that. Make people better sandwich. Yes that's a good description sandwich. Murder bad guy. That's what i will do anything to protect anybody you know. I think that that's something. That's also very interesting. She always will do literally. God damned anything just to make it you know and i think that those things are all very interesting but yeah people trip on her all of the time now. This question wasn't necessarily just about black widow but when we're talking about black widow i do understand what you mean because i've read tons and tons of black widow and i love that character. There's a few great stories but also there's tons of comics where i'm just like spies of russia's stuff by stuff. Oh my god. She's the black widow so she like turned on some dude. Whatever for a long time in comics of course it was men desiring her that defined her a lot too so is like not easy sailing for the most everyone. I'm jay host of the unafraid. Podcast on unafraid. I share stories from the queer community that help us to grow. Learn and understand that while we are all different there is an immeasurable beauty and that diversity. The unafraid podcast as my labor of love. And i want to share that love with you. New stories are aired each week. So you can check out unafraid on your podcast distributor. Right now so yeah. That would be my thing with this specific character. But when you're talking about things that people just recommend you and just like you're gonna love this and you open it up and you're just like i do not love this and then you keep trying and you just can't work for you. That happens to me all of the time him where it's just like i just can't work. It just doesn't work for me. And i think the there's repeat offender writers. I guess so. I just kind of steer away from a lot. Like i know that i'm not gonna ever enjoy something that dan slot right and so i'm just like i mean. He blocked me on twitter. So yeah i bryan cave on my fokin dance. Slot totally man. I hate saga. Know why it's not that. I don't know why i know exactly why in i can't stop thinking about it right lying cat. I'll always go to bat for cat's amazing. I think that's frustrating about saga is. There's moments show close to great in the things that go wrong in it are all about. I think the privilege of the person writing like you can't google how someone refers to their gender gender. You can't google that you have to transgendered we don't fuck and say that you know that like we do that come on so i think that's a piece of it. Sometimes i think people also i've been thinking a lot about the phrase stay in your lane and it's interesting because you're listening to this later but we just talked about odyssey which i would say like is an interesting sort of like not exactly in someone's lane right matt. Fraction is not a lesbian. However like it works. So i you know i'm not always i don't think you have to be every identity right absolutely not and it's it causes a lot of problems whenever you expect people to only right what they are because you were talking about people who are writing team books books with many many characters so if i was just gonna write what i am a bunch than it would be just a bunch of like white lesbians and every story which i'm not gonna say it doesn't appear in my stories but i will say that it is a mistake to make that be the only thing i think the point that you're going to compound on is that it is a mistake to do that without any reference or reverence right lane like a sensitivity reader pesos sensitivity reader. Maybe two know i mean. I think you're right. I think it's like i'm a firm believer just based on a lot of what i've read by a lot of black authors by a lot of latin authors about like no one's saying you can't write people of color and you know that's obviously what i think of because i am a white person however you can't write a point of view character who's a person of color if they exist in this world in this society as a white person. You can never understand that experiences. Like i think that that's very valid and so i don't right point of view characters. Who are people of color black latin next asian american doesn't matter i just i just don't write them because that's just not my goddamn business. I do however right. World's infused with tons of diversity. Because i live in a world filled with tons of diversity. My friends diverse. So i'm trying to create a world that reflects my experience an idealized version of my experience usually or like a catastrophes version. When i'm feeling really dark and writing my like post apocalyptic. But i think that that's important to think about is what stories do be have a right to claim and it is the tangent podcast as are they all but i do think that that is part of what sometimes goes wrong is just because the tasha spy doesn't mean she doesn't have an internal world. She does just because she doesn't express for emotions doesn't mean she doesn't have emotions just because she's a badass. She doesn't have weaknesses. That aren't being a silly woman. Three you know like you can explore these parts but they have to be done authentically in hate the authentic sometimes. But you said it really. Well sarah what was it. You said reverence having a sense of reverence to the stories that you're telling even if they're not ones that you are. I guess because like very few of us are russian spies airy few so like writing writing a story about a russian spy. But that's kind of the thing right. You see the stereotypes of that character affect her life her creative life early her life as a character because people still keep our at an arm's length so you do see people be like. Oh nobody trusts me. Like people still see me as dubious. No matter what i do or how they're for them i am and then it's like you see the writers do that to her to they're just like you say emotionally away from me and leg. Oh she's so mysterious and it's just like yeah but it's not the same because like you know. Nick fury is a good counterpart to her. I'd say that's kind of a different take on the same theme right. He's a spy also and all of this stuff but people again delve into that character a lot more and he's had way more issues of comments about him and people seem like they're less distant from him you know people will entire story is going into his life and stuff and it's not all about just the one sad past thing but also like punish are like those are all dudes that are kind of like lack widow so much more airtime and like have had people go way way more into their stories such a great comparison. Yeah at the end of the day. Like that's the beef. That i have with a lot of these. These depictions is like people are not archetypes even comic characters artists some degree. Because we're again did with like a meath. Oh but like people are people and stories understand that and even when people do things that are like completely unconscionable or out of character which people do things that are out of character in real life but when they do those things it should mean something like there should be meaning to the way that natasha's engaging with her world in we're using the tosh is like the standard for any character there should be meaning behind it and if there's not that should mean something at least why write a story if there's not going to be something to it something meaty like. I actually found a lot of those panels really beautiful. I like the way in the sixteen. Run the tasha drawn. She looks cool. I like the art style. I just wish there was more story to it. And that's always going to be where i land. I guess i would like to understand what's happening. And why why's the story different than every other lack widow story. That's just like the same ole shy of action hero blah blah and. It's just like yeah. But i mean come on you can do all kinds of extra stuff on top of that and i think she is super interesting. Like i've said a bunch of times through this. I love black. I think she's a great character. And i do understand why she's a difficult character people to understand because she is somebody who is emotionally a little removed from people. And also yeah. It's hard to know what the hell she's going to do. But there's something fun about that too. And so i like those moments where she's humanized and she doesn't know how to make something better so she offers like a creature comfort or something like none of these are the things that i like about her a lot. You just don't see that much of a in her stories. I almost have to go an extra mile till read those parts into the stories because the people who write her a lot of times. Just don't read that into her. Yeah and i think what. I also hear what you're saying as much as it is like a bit of disappointment and maybe even a little frustration is also like. There's so much opportunity. There's opportunity with natasha. There's so many interesting things you can do with her. And that's like the hopeful thing. I'll end on this. We can have great black widow stories. And i hope we will in the future to you know like i hope that someone really wants to explore her really gets her. Who sees all the potential that we see in like the possible stories in her gifts. Her hands on her story. And me me me. I i was gonna say hello marvel. Please call sarah because clearly. She got a great story. And i would like to read it so yes thank you so much for a great question hayden. Yeah listeners. If you don't already you can join us over on patriotic. We do all kinds of bonus content bonus episodes where we review our favorite. Tv films sometimes just like random things like hey want to review. This weird thing was on dc universe. I think i'd do. It is a delight we also have reading lists that are drawn from our episodes every month. Tell you where you can learn more about the shows and the comics that we name drop quickly as we go through a very intense list of things. It's who we are and we want you to join us you can turn. I said any level as little as two dollars a month as much as hey you name it and we will give you this content. Share it with you and you'd be even more of a support to podcast. We know you love as you listen to us right now. So the comic of the week this week is going to be a boy by kazoo. Irma gad erm again it's so good and so is ridiculous i have no idea. I have no context for this comment win. It came out knowing kind of that. Classic like almost astro boy. kind of era manga. Lick but yeah regardless. I mean it doesn't even matter. This is one of the best horror comics i've ever read in my life flat out period. This artist did a bunch of horror comex. And your i mean. We'll talk about those coming up is really good. And they've made movies out of a couple of them. They haven't made a movie out of the cat eyed boy. But the story of this is the cat. Eyed boy is a horror host. Basically you know like the crypt keeper. Something right kc boy. Is this character. Who just looks so creepy. Obviously half cat half boy and he goes into like addicts. And thank you giggle. Emily yeah he kind of follows the stories you know so he pops up in the background of some of the stories that are happening sometimes. He takes an active role. There's this page where he's just like. I really liked sleeping. That addict too bad. The building burned down looks at the reader and goes to so long so good. It's so good and of course you know the theme is there's a few horror stories in this. Yeah i mean they're all so interesting. I love that. It does that thing that i think horrid better than any other genre right which is like you know something. Oh no you don't at all outing is what you thought. It was like lovers of decades. Turn out to be like goblin demons. Yes it's so fun. And then like they have a kid with the person that they like. If bolivia whether the person's i've to save my child picks the baby. The baby's i d. I don't love it. Yes there's like the one where he has a different dad. His dad stole the house. And the child of like the guy who lived in it before and then the corpse just keeps regenerating resurrecting and coming back again and again. Oh my god these comics that are just such a damn delay especially as such a longtime fan. I thought that it just comes together so so well so if you're training into like any kind of horror manga like this is kind of. I mean there's plenty of grey options but this is a really god damn good book and it's over five hundred. It's so long and good right now at least at the time of recording. It's on sale on comics. So it's like oh five hundred sixty four pages for like eleven dollars. It's really incredible. Yeah definitely and it's gorgeous. I mean like every single page so seemless and these weird body horror stories you know just the classic style of body horror. Basically is a lot of what you see in this and i love that. And they're still funny. It's really funny. Yeah there's jokes definitely it's like almost exactly the e c style of horror comics or something where there's all of these jokes of put in through the whole series but it's also terrifying is also really scary but jokes kind of help you a little bit. Reconcile how upsetting everything you're saying is like all the best horror comedy totally totally. I also love that. There's like no moral ever. Here's maury with no morals. I liked to different about area in a lot of tells from the crypt and stuff like that. It's always here's his bad person doing a bad thing and they're going to get punished and it's like everybody gets punished matter who the fuck you are. Very good person. Sorry buddy married a demon this matter being punished extensively in a horrifying way. And that's gonna be. it is still trues about humanity. Like there's a lot of mob mentality that comes up but not just your humans demons slash goblins also have mob mentality. I love the cat. I boys rejected from both worlds. He's actually considered to human by the goblins and demons. He's like considered a nightmare by the humans. I think he's adorable personally. His so cute. I love him. He would be my baby to raise a cat. I boy baby. Yes too bad that your house burned down. Yeah exactly like. I raised this baby. Who burn my house no regrets. Oh god he's he's charming and creepy at the same time i just think is it is hard to walk that line where you can create a very creepy character that i can't get enough love. Oh yeah that is really good writing. you know. This is definitely one of those comics. Where i'm like. Why hasn't anybody who doesn't like a film series on this or something because that would be something that people would probably go nuts for. I personally am happy for it to stay comic. Because i think that it is incredible. I believe that the drifting classroom has a film version. Yeah i think so. So some of his works have been adopted. I don't think this one house. We'll check that after recording to make sure i'm correct but yeah this comic was just ridiculous. I was amped ready to like it. I was already sold on this. And i feel like it. Outdid itself pretty much every turn. All of the classic horror tropes are at play the kind of morality. You know that you see a lot of the best horror films and you know. Japanese are obviously huge. Huge legacy of great horror works. And i would say that the stands among the best of them like this is just as good as like quiet on or any of the other ones that i really love audition like any of the japanese horror. That's happened over. The last century i think would stand on par with this. Absolutely the illustrations are beautiful. I love reading manga. I don't read a lot of it. I know you don't either. Compared to some people i would some manga. I loved some manga lot. Just talking about in cub. I enjoyed it so much. I love the illustrations. I love the way the shading is used. I love the way that japanese culture is so influential. Obviously that's where it is made in that makes sense but it's nice to see that sometimes comics can feel like they're trying to strip away culture so anytime that i can see culture. I'm like yes a lot man. I love it. Gets into different. Mythos and i don't know what not to love what not to love. But also i found that it was adapted into an anime in nineteen seventy six. Oh and it was like twenty two episodes and then young. So we're gonna have to find that. I know it will do for a bonus review. Apparently a live action film in two thousand six but in in japan. So we're going to have to find those. Yeah and i feel kind of lake. I mean wow we have no right to even talk about this comic. If we don't know about all of that. But i will say that even just walking in just the comic by itself this is honestly one of the greatest works of horror. I've ever read. I completely agree. I think my favorite format for horrors actually comics which or can be very hard to write in comic format because so much of what we consider horror from tv and film is contributed by sound and so to build a capture that and put it in comic form. I get less freaked out. But that doesn't mean i don't get scared. It just means. I don't feel on the physical over like i'm going to have a heart attack so for me. It's a little bit easier to engage that way but it's also creepiest. Fuck i mean can i. Boy is not precious precious to me boy. Precious but can i. Boy is very very creepy and and upsetting to run into canada. Boy you know a good time in life if you do you know no. That's the thing. Every person that crosses his path incurs damage of some kind. So it's like ooh boy. You're a wild child. When i think there's also some know i haven't thought about this a lot so you'll have to tell me if you disagree sir. But it seems that there's also some commentary going on about children and also about women and about how agency has taken from women children but then it's reasserted through these sort of demon goblins totally hoses. Human women and children are like look how fine i am. I could never do anything jokes on you. Egypt face. yeah it is really cool. Yeah i love the monsters. All of these stories are just wild. Truly while boy. Wow all of it. I think is just it puts it on a master list. If you would love any part of what we just discussed then you will love. 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Episode 36.0: Theyre both into plants

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Episode 36.0: Theyre both into plants

"Welcome to bitches on Comex. I'm Sarah Center. I'm am looking at a hellraiser doll right now I'm se. Flynn and I'm looking deep into Carol's is Denver's Today. We have a question from Johnny longtime listener. First-time hi Johnny first off. I absolutely love the podcast. Oh Gosh keep up the great work. Oh we will. I was listening to the latest episode about Poison Ivy. And it me of something. I've been wondering for awhile have. Id and swamping interacted. Have they have a they have have the end? That's the episode by no further explanation needed. But Yeah I don't know I have seen them interact. I think that they have an interesting interaction with each other. They both knew each other before. So Pamela New Alec Alec New Pamela before they were associated with the green where they both students of Woodrow's yeah they were both in Lake. I mean you know this changes but lake you know they both knew. Woodrow some asshole. He's a huge astle. Equally asshole to both of them. I would say he does really terrible things to both of them in slightly different ways. Obviously he kind of manipulated ivy in a lot of very creeper terrible professor dude kind of ways which is slightly different than the impact that he had on. Alec but he comes back and kills a bunch of people right in front of him just to prove a point later. So who's to say? What's worse but eight? The flu around McMahon hate. He's truly a monster anytime. Somebody makes an attempt to Layton him in people's is I find it to be highly upsetting because if nothing else he is essentially somebody who went to a lot of huge problems in her life so I think that one of the most important things is that whenever swamping erse comes to e the swamp thing you see him have kind of immediate need to do he does good things almost automatically kind of just because of whatever reason he's still being guided by Allied Great. So he still thinks of himself as a man who becomes a monster which of course we find out is not the case but he has these kind of ethics that he's holding onto for dear life whereas whenever as an ivy is bonded with the green it is through a traumatic process of experimentation and she is reeling from that in the first appearances that we see. She has a lot of kind of ECO Fascist ideology so she wants the humans to suffer and things like that. You know things that are fairly relatable but not necessarily good so she eventually comes around. We have a long process of her healing and kind of being destroyed again and healing. We see that a lot with her so I think that just the sheer difference in how they approach the green and that situation their new powers and things like that is some of the most important things to observe whenever. We're looking at any kind of a friendship between them which they do have friendship but they are extremely extremely different in how they came to their powers for sure and I think that the way they're portrayed is so different right like in the beginning something is treated as a villain and then there's the we talked about it in our very first episode the whole Allen more comic run where he ret cons history and sort of makes swamping not a man trapped in vegetation but actually vegetation come to life. That is in fact not a man. We talked about the gender identity swamp. They I've used them pronounced swamp thing. I'm also very aware that lots of people who are gender fluid or gender non binary gender non conforming us by Neri Pronouns. Not here to judge I've been sliding back into using he for swamping because he often calls himself he. Yeah we've been kind of on the fence with that and I think that was even what we I said was. It feels weird to call him he because I know that he's just always been written by these people who aren't necessarily always looking at how non binary you know. Something is as a premise. So it kind of borders between Or is it. You know thing accepting his own identity. Yes it it's kind of the easiest one to Parse but at any rate definitely non binary. My new outlook is that something uses. He's slash say you know and really? The truth is swamping. Mostly communicates without words. We translated into words because hello where people who have to speak externally but a lot of swamping his communication. Their communication is with the green crew connectivity with plants through being literally connected to them. But I think it's really important to think about you. Know yes something was a villain fitting got some ret conned into being more. I'm connected to the Green. I'm just the voice for nature that's been treated with some nuance at different points. Today knowing really looks at swamping and thinks Oh what a villain but they do frequently look at Poison Ivy and call her a villain and I think the important piece of it is like because it will tend to gender swamp thing as a man and is a woman identified woman and is very feminine to Jerry Very Feminine presenting in her attitudes her connection with the green is extremely feminine like Oliver Stories. Based in femininity. It eco-feminists too right. So it's the idea that humanity's relationship with the planet is a recapitulation of men's dominance of women again a little bit binary here but know that we have lots of nuance and how we're thinking about these things and also that this is how other people are presenting so we kind of have to find our own way of looking at it. I guess exactly and so. I think that it's that feminist peace. In how outspoken. And how limit? Kerr politics are like ides's comfortable with going to war with humanity at different points so has swamp thing been but he's always been sort of like called back quote unquote. I'm using scare quotes to reason a different point. And it's the revenge plot line and things like that whereas we're very willing to accept the poison ivy or radically violent right exactly exactly so. You talked a little bit about the green. I think that's show important. Never we talk about either of these characters because they don't interact a ton in comics. Unless I'm mistaken time and again usually sometimes an alternate histories or alternate futures. Or what have you? But they are always connected in theory because it's not like something connects with the green and then steps out of it. He's always connected to the green and you understand. Ivy's relationship with the green better than I do. Sarah do you talk about that a little bit actually? I don't think I do because they are terrible. It establishing what it even as little as one understands I think what I what I would say is what I understand is that I understand nothing. Basically because they exist in the same world. There's definitely crossover. There's been times whenever ivy like you know there's people who ship those two. There's been that very casual romance thing that we see every now and again between those two which I always think is just the most bullshit thing in the world they are not the fucking same okay lake. They have almost nothing in common. How they view the world nope how they view the green absolutely not what they do with their day to day lives how they're treated by the heroes how to treat their human partners. These are things that they've fucking. They could not be more different and I think that whenever somebody tries to put them in a relationship together also they knew each other informs that neither of them Identify with or comfortable with anymore like neither of them really want to go back to their past selves. So that idea to that you would come out of something that cataclysmic and be like. Oh now I'm just GONNA to like hook up with somebody that I associate with that time period in my life. That doesn't usually happen. I mean it does sometimes but it's not usually great. And why would you want to you know? These are all things that make me be like. I just don't really like it because it just doesn't make sense. It's one of those ones where you're just like no. They both have really long standing relationships with human partners. That can't hope to understand themselves. And I like those because they give you a lot of interesting dynamic. I learn more about something through Abby Arcane than I do through swamping absolutely. I learned a lot about Poison Ivy. Through how she interacts with Harley. So I think that those are important dichotomies so whenever you take that away and your wealth. They're both into plant so I guess they're married now kind of reductive. I can see why there might be an attraction. I guess but Totally I think that they would have a lot to talk about but I don't think that they would choose long-term companionship with one. Another and with here I think like. Why would you want to be with someone? Who's so similar to yourself like. That's not a great way to grow. You know it's not a lawyer. But complete opposites. Exactly exactly. They're basically the same in like if you work together but later on the same thing that you both really like or yes exactly. You're all set completely not compatible whatsoever like it just doesn't that story line doesn't make sense. And I think it is something that is extra grading because it just kind of pushes hetero normative ideas onto these characters that we've really explicitly stated how important it is to their personalities that they are not that you know absolutely and I think that Alec Slash something has a desire to still be connected to humanity and I think that ivy finds herself connected to humanity. I don't think she usually wants to be. She has to struggle with it to a pretty intense degree. Yeah that was my sense. Why well some people so I don't want to overstate but I think that those things are really important in like the differences between them are great. I read somewhere. Someone was like ideas and just female swamping and that blew my mind. I was a coup thinks of them like that. I've realized people do people think of her as like the seductress version of obscene. We're just like no. They're so different. There's so much of a different nuance to both of those characters that I think they would see eye to eye on some things but it would be very difficult for them to have a long term conversation even with each other. That was swamp. Thing's entire focus is a his role in the green and how he treats the green and you know what his interactions are. A lot of Ivy's focus is telling humanity a step the book you know. I think that that's just such different approaches. And they don't combine. Those are not similar. They both really light green things. That's like what they haven't come in Italy and they were both abused by the same terrible human. You know. There's not really a great foundation relationship or even a friendship honestly but I can see why they meet up and talk. Yeah yeah and I see them. As part of a lineage is how I was thinking about it and I think that one of the great examples of that is actually Neil gamons black orchid number two black orchid the second black orchid goes on a journey to find herself and she's with her like little sisters slashed daughter. Weird and then she meets Ivy. It's not a great representation of IB. And then she meets swimming really struggled with Ivy just to make a note of that like the Secret Origins Ivy. There's a lot of really cool stuff in that. But they definitely by the end of it or just like yes. She's hysterical. Yeah they do they do fall on some deeply misogynistic tropes around her. Moore's law unfortunately but I mean if you're GonNa look at somebody that actually was trying to extend some sympathy towards the character game in was one of the first to do that so agreed in a and I think the art shows that even better than the plot like I think the around ivy engagements works as really powerful in that is partially game in right like it's a conversation between writer and artist and I think it's just a bummer. That so much of the plot ends up being like really damning of her. When it's like what you were so close so close the also like in the alternate history of injustice gods among us that was based on a video game. I did not realize that and is about where superman like real jackass so a lot of villains. It'll be like the good guys in this story line in the year. Three search issue. Twenty two I in swamp thing team up to save the burning forest around them and actually start fighting with each other ideas like trying to kill swamp thing and he's like what the fuck don't kill me and she's like your asshole and he's like no. I'm trying to protect the and she's like. Oh wait I like that idea onboard. Let's do it. Let's just agree. It's really cute. Actually they touch foreheads. To me it did not feel romantic at all. It felt very like when you're talking to somebody before you have to go do something hard like grocery shop and you're like put your heads together. You're like are you ready? I'm ready ready to do it in movies. All the time has nobody makes that. It was way from Super Gay or whatever even though like sure but Super Gay. Yes these two different standards agreed also in swamping from two thousand thirteen when rot world happens. It's a lot of the overlapping story between swamping animal. Man Twisting comes back out of even remember where he is the green I think and he comes out to like the real world and search around issue thirteen and the world is like pretty much gone you standing in the by you in desert but ivy is there and she's been preserving the green in sort of like a jack and the beanstalk kind of thing up stock at the top. She's been helping keep the green alive and they don't interact very long and they end up disagreeing about what the right way to handle things is but. I think it's a pretty good. I like that and she's like. What are you doing like don't do that? Don't do that. Alec Goddamn it and it's pretty totally. I mean the thing is that in the end. I've always going to be paired up. I think with women almost always because she gets really annoyed without dumb. Hold dudes are like enough fair enough because they always are around ivy but constant thing is being like hello mail presenting character. Could you please not fucking step on the goddamn flour and everybody was just like? Wow was that person all mad about. She's hysterical. Yeah instead of like. Actually she has a Goddamn you know. She has a really cool swamp thing too because he put wings on and create horns for himself. That's cool and cool version of ID. She has like really beautiful lip color. If anybody knows how to make that color happen on human lips please email me. I would like to do that to my lips because it looks so cool and then the last one I was going to mention we were just talking about this. Sarah is Justice League action which is an animated series for DC kids. There's a really funny episode where I think it's called bag green thumb or something like that where Ivy controls swamp thing where he's like you know. I became manipulate plants. I'm a play it so funny. And everybody's getting their asses kicked by like this Combo and it is weird because I like my future husband. But then she's like hanging thing. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah that sucks but it was a really funny cartoon and also kind of I mean you know. Swamp thing was out of character to very weird swamp thing. It's like not not any the I've ever Before or anything but I it yeah. There's like eighties movie swamp thing or something. This is like Bunny Edgy. Swamp thing that does not exist coming swirled. He's pretty much straight man in every scenario. Swamping you so sincere all the time you know like he doesn't have that edge. The obviously ivy has lots of other characters. Have he's no? I must protect the green. So yes it was very off character representation but hysterical if you want to see them. Interact in a way that you're just not gonna see in the comics. That is so funny. I love that. She's like pulling his strings. Like kicking the Justice League's ask because she's like. I'm Ivy Ella. Yes that's always the most important thing that we see a lot of power for my absolutely I mean she's always holding back pretty much anything else on poison. I don't ship it. We do not ship. Let you take nothing else away from this episode. We do not ship it and it's me I ship everything but I do not ship it but I do love both of those characters and I do love when they interact with each other me to like a kind of. They're almost like cousins or like you know college exactly comrades-in-arms they've been through some book in. Dark Shit similar things in some ways. It's not quite as extreme but I was just reading the New Kelly Thompson. Captain Marvel between nineteen and it kind of reminds me of the wave Rogan. Carol are able to be like we're not friends with like we're cool. We're never going to be But like we're cool as we've been through similar trauma oddly enough because we're of them was traumatizing the other one but you know it. It's a complicated scenario but in this back and forth after a while. Yeah that's fair boundaries. Are Fair this feels like. Oh we have a common trauma a Haman gift and literally nothing else in common so of course we would like like you were saying it's like they're co workers they're gonNA talk around the water cooler and in this case. The water cooler is a beautiful plant that they're gonNA stand next talk the best best case scenario and seeing them together. I think you're right. That people do shoehorn and a romance. And it's always like wom Wong. I know and literally Harley is standing right there she's always. She always literally less than three feet away from Poison Ivy. Like get away. I need to spider need some space. You've been within three feet of me for the last seven years. Hardly wait this is a this is an attachment thing being weird. I can't tell listeners if you didn't know we have a new fiction project called decoded. It's a pride anthology. What we're doing is we're publishing a story a day for every month of Pride. It's kind of a way to bring pride home and we have subscriptions on sale. Don't we Sara Yes we do? They are twelve dollars tell may seventeenth and whenever they go to the regular price of fifteen dollars if you ask me kind of a steel either way but and that's twelve dollars for thirty stories right. Sarah I hope so. That's what we've planned. And every single person who publishes with US comics short stories flash fiction longer form short stories. They're all LGBTQ plus writers so you are actually helping keep writers writing. Yeah we're paying everybody in which we like to do. We give the money to the people's so if you're ready to buy a subscription right now for only twelve dollars make sure to go to DAKOTA PRIDE DOT COM. Comic of the week is red. Sonja and Van. Perella meet that in Veronica written by. Amy Chu ARP by Maria. Scenario colored by Vinicius Andrade letters by Taylor Esposito so fun. I love those comic. I didn't know that I needed this comic in my life. Yeah we talked about how Amethyst Really Fun Comic. This is so fun it is just like every panel. Every page is just delightful. I love everything about it. I love everything about it. I love the title. Red Sonja and Van Perla meet Betty and Veronica. What else could you need out of life? That is incredible. The fact that this comic even came into being is just majestic they. I believe also intended to end this series after the first run because they didn't think it was going to do that while or they didn't know how well it was going to do and they've expanded this series. I think there are on issue ten now. This series is so so fun. Amy Chu is an incredible writer. She did a ton of work on Red Sonja already. Her Red Sonja definitely to me is one of the ones that just kind of we talk about. How good Gail Simone's Red Sonja was? It's kind of that to amy you for me like in a Lotta ways and Amy Chu had writing partnerships and worked with a lot of other really good writer. So I'm not going to say that it's just those two holding up the franchise but it is definitely those that always right. The Red Sonja. That in my head clicks the best right. And that's the one that we see here and I love her so so so much. I love this Red Sonja and all of her actions through this entire comic. I think she's kind of the standout character. I was GONNA say the same thing and when she's a at Riverdale high. I don't know if I've ever been a more attracted to anyone like she's clearly an adult she's not a teenage. That's like nothing with Riverdale too though right where you're like Asian people who are like playing teenagers and they're all like in their late twenty years. It's like I feel weird about this because I'm like that person is attractive and I'm like Oh my God. I'm talking about high school student and I'm like I'm not but I am because fiction is weird and this is weird. That's how it is with Red Sonja not teenager definitely not. It's like she's caused playing for me. Yes analii that has like a football player and it turns out something that I find unattractive find very attractive on Red Sonja. I mean that's not going to be the first time we say that about Red Sonja who can do literally anything and still be complete babe so yeah no. She is clearly an adult. It's really funny to watch them kind of walk around with the teenagers and be like Yep. We're all teenagers here so he's like always ordering a beer look at a coffee shop every diner and everyone's like do do you have ID and she's like I'm Red Sonja. Give me the Ale like I have a sword. Take her sort of way. She's so she's so mad and she just gets more violent until she gets her sore back again. It's actually less violent for us just to let her keep the sword when she takes her sword to football practice. Oh my God it's so fucking funny like what the title is is one hundred percent what the title is these characters interacting with each other. I mean now they're on Dracula and now they've gone into Van. Perlas world but for the longest time it was them. Interacting in Riverdale. High is basically what the first argus. So it's you know. School newspaper stuff is happening. Empires et Cetera et CETERA. Someone's like Sonia you're feeling all your classes and she's like I literally don't care I'm fucking Red Sonja. I don't know what to tell you. I'm firm her Katya than what does that mean. She doesn't wanNA wear the clothes like people trying to make wear clothes and she's just like Hilton's like where my pants and she's just like I never bother with fucking don't you're right. I just thought about how definitely Red Sonja is the one who will go into a fight completely naked and not give a shit. She does not care and she wants adventure. That's the funniest part she's all you promised me adventure to vamp relevant printers like why do. I have this grumpy date with me. Like how did this happen? Where grumpy girlfriend that. I'm constantly trying to appease I guess I'll do it but and that's like Van Perla a hundred percent just to be like I guess I'm in this weird position right now. So just do the thing. It's like you take two pairs of characters who have great chemistry love. Love Red Sonja and Van Parrella. They both have a bit of an odd couple thing but also like really supportive of one. Another God I love women who've got each other's backs you know and you get that you compound them together. Oh the hijinks the preciousness the Hilarity I just I love it so much. I love it so much. Yeah I'm obsessed with this comic. I think is one of the best that I've read. That just is so fun is like one of those ones where every time I see it in my pool list. I'm like I'm going to have a great time. I'm going to be able to read something goofy. That's great and has a lot of sword fighting and Van. Perla like biting people and of course Betty and Veronica doing jinx as they do best and it is kind of their story. I want the newspaper print article but a vampire cult. I know that was so funny. And then like yeah. We can't talk about parts of that without giving away the whole thing. The responses the interactions. There's a detective whose name is Irene. Who I think was really fun in this. She's usually very anti anti-cop but her colourlessness was endearing and yet just the whole thing honestly. It's one of those coming where it's just like the title. Obviously people kind of I remember people being like. I'm really not sure about this being like it'll probably be good because I saw the creative team. I love all of these characters. I've always loved all of these characters. We've talked so so much. About how much love him. And she's grading. She's not really the focal point. She gets to kind of step back and let Red Sonja. Meanwhile Betty and Veronica also are pretty prominent. Their characterization isn't really that much their interactions with each other and with Vampire Lynn. Red Sonja are and they have just so many. Good one liners in this comic. There's just so many of funny little jokes of like yeah it's not like we like three. You imprison or something. Why would you wanNA leave Riverdale till like vampire after she literally got thrown in prison for like eating all the blood and the blood bank? There's Goofy Shit like that. That's Super Fun to read. It's so funny to see this juxtaposition. You know what I feel like it does I feel like adding Red Sonja and Van Parrella just shows how absurd betty in Veronica's lives are already there not like you don't blink an eye basically. Yeah look I'm upset that I didn't get my article in the paper. I'm said that I'm not doing well in school. And also I'm going to solve this murder. The stakes in those two things are so different but not to a high schooler right to high school or it's all the same so funny and I love the Red Zone Ian Bumper like wrapped up in it. You know the fact that red zone he joins. The football team is hysterical. That is hysterical. She's tried to solve a murder and she ends up in this role. Because why that's kind of what the comic is like is basically aiming to obviously just having a great time without ridiculous those premises and making it just as fun as it needs to be to succeed because like we didn't come here to read like watchmen like we didn't come here to read something that's deep in serious. We wanted to read something. That's really fun. These four completely ludicrous characters interacting with each other in a way that is actually kind of tender because they all have each other's backs to such a degree so yeah I mean everything about this is great like I can't. I can't recommend it enough because it was just fun. You know well. The writing is fantastic. The pacing is so good in the writing. The colors are beautiful. The arts fantastic. I think it's always hard when you have a actor who portrayed by actors like well right to then try and capture that likeness but not too much right. Take them out of the experience. I thought that they are really balanced. It well yeah. I always think of the artists who do that. You're just like this is like a creepy thing to read. Because it's like you just staring at these people's pictures and drawing them specifically who they are. When does it just become tracing kind of yeah totally? So this doesn't really fall into that pit fall at all. I think that the Veronica for instance very unique looking Veronica but you can tell her apart from being Perla who has essentially like a lot of the same features so yeah. I don't know I think that. She the arts scrape. Yeah I mean it's totally one of those topics where you just run out of ways to say. Oh this is really great. Great read it. That's like the final answer to this whole thing is that you will not regret it. If you look at that title and you go in your head I might like that. Then yes you'll probably like it. You are correct mirror podcast. That is all about making comic books more accessible to Lgbtq folks and women so if you have a question about anything related to comics comic adaptations pop culture in general conventions cost. Play new name it. That's what we're here for. You can send us your questions at bitches on comics at gmail.com. Unfortunately g does not like the word bitch. 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Episode 58.0: The miraculous year of queer

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Episode 58.0: The miraculous year of queer

"Welcome. To bitches on comics I'm your host se flee north and I am also your hosts, Sarah Century and we're here to talk to Rachel polly. Welcome, Rachel. Hi Rachel. So excited. Very exciting, where can people find you on the Internet if they need to look up your work? Well, do have a website Rachel Dot Com long indeed to be updated. That, if we've ever find the time, your facebook pretty regularly can find me there. I'm pretty much up to the limit how many people I can have without paying a lot of money show any do so I'll let people just following my page rape. Excellent. I have to find some people to unfriendly. Choose the no. I have that problem all of the time where I'm like listen I follow too many people and my whole pages. But. Then it's like I don't want to hurt anybody's feelings I. Don't know what I'm tempted to do actually is to say something really radical politically I hope lots of people would unfriendly. It works every time it works every. Time, it really has a me. I feel like many of the people I went to high. School. No longer friends on facebook that's up winning for all of us really. They needed to go. It's all right. As I needed mind. Well I'm a big Fan of your work we definitely have read so much of your comics outpost. So it's very exciting to talk to you today and I read a bunch of interviews with you because fortunately, the Internet is full of interviews and I read that you had gotten your star in Tarot I believe whenever you were a student is that correct? I was actually teaching college at the time Oh. Yeah. Okay. Just out of graduate school I worked for year IBM got help me. A desperate to get out of that, I got a job teaching college. You're of funny. Like so How I can find some other works decided to try writing comics. So I I kind of contacted marvel turns that they were. The right. So one point I'm giving a talk at the college you know that's What it was, and so it's mostly students in the audience you know. So Somerset, how did you come to cheer you know at the College as well I could your job at marvel comics and that just brought the house and people. Like one of their professors as they always called US became a teacher at the college she couldn't get a job writing for marvel comics we. I. Love that with. The reputation Cla with the students. And what are they like a non academic response, etc. So exactly I love my academics, my friends, but there's a reason I left the academy it's a lot of leg. I. Deserve to be her justice else you know you're. Kind of here. So beautiful. I saw that you had basically been reading comics your whole life. So I was curious what the first comex that you got into like what is the first comics profession you know? Are you know I'm sure it was. Like. Way Back in the fifties real funny animal comics. Yes. All the bugs, bunny characters and Disney characters. Wonderful. Dock and uncle scrooge and stuff like that. A little. I'm just just recently read a couple collected little lose things you know yeah and this is glorious. Oh, my God they live. So well, I agree I think that Lulu. Is Amazing. I'm the same in that way that I grew up reading a bunch of little kids comex and stuff like that. So people are like when did you get into comics? Always. I. Could read you know. He's Dr Seuss I. That also hero Connex into those and I've read everything you. Know. Romance Convicts and Katy Keene. Even Western is the only ones I didn't like the war comics I just. Don't click with them but because I'm really old and ancient. Like the last year or two of Captain Marvel before DC out of business. Oh yeah, and they were just so wonderful. ACING. Yeah I belly laugh when I read some of those captain, marvel great yeah they were so and he was really into the Greek mythology you know. Yeah. They always said you know I don't know that. We you know. Is this herb in the Odyssey that saves at this is from being. Animal. Yeah I had no idea that's what I was a kid you know. Moly. Only. So many layers. Also. Helped with the Vertigo Tarot deck and I heard that at the beginning of that that had been a conversation about doing a Superhero Tarot dig- and I heard my my knowledge that one of the editors Sharon ca to it was her name. She proposed to curb chief editor after vertical tarrant happiest. The characters is the biggest car you know and count like the idea and deal and you'll approach. They became the art whoever? then. They called me because I was Tarot person you know. So Karen Charon Neon I spent a week at a hotel in New York City just going over who's cards would be you know Basically, we signed characters and scenes each of those twenty two cards and incentive on today, and he then it was developing the minor account of the for suits and you got in touch me for and my most of that was him, and then it was all day. Amazing Art got to write the book. Is Really Fun Yeah it's gorgeous. It's so beautiful and the book yeah exactly. Yeah. So Fun. It seems to me like Tarot and comex particularly ones that do dealin mythos with a be superhero or not like there's so much in common right? It's it's about I'm newer tariffs a please experts tell me where I'm wrong but my sense is like it's about the story of us all we all are on a journey at some point and we're all all of these things at different points and so I was surprised when I was learning about it but then I thought about it and I was like, why is that surprising to me like? It makes a lot of. happened. So when I first got into, Tarot is seeing like a comic to me. Be these scenes if you like. A scene from a complex story except you had before or after. So very mysterious. You know someone read my car I started with. The T shirt and Carter I remember. So vividly was the sixers swords which shows looks at a word child sort of huddled overseeing it a ferry boat and very minister pushing them across the water towards a small island. That's all you see you know. SORT. Sticking up in the boat. And it just felt like what happened before what happens after who are these people what's going on and then there was a book that you can look it up but the book didn't really tell you much it. It seemed like I was telling you but it was justice mysterious somehow. Right but anyway so it foca comic books I mean, that's what really intrigued me about it. Stories I love having ideas affirmed. Backley. That's so cool. I didn't get there something really special about the comic formed Tarot you know the marrying in Sarah and I talked about this time of images and words and layered meanings and how characters become miss logical right? Because there's different takes on them. There's so many people who've written Captain Marvel, for instance, shown him in so many different ways, and so it ends up being like an oral story. Right? We have a little bit more of a sense of people as collections of things rather than like single characters. Yes. Oral history I really liked is actually. People, contribute to it. Somewhat different way. Yeah. So funny. So when I, I read them I didn't really realize as a kid that somebody wrote them somebody drew them. It was just there you know. She goes in those days almost never had the names of any creators on it. It's the company wants to own it and everything and keep. Any money going to the creators. So Captain Marvel. Family and your captain junior you know the capital had his own comic and he looked totally different and this very confusing to me i. I really couldn't understand. W. Looks in the other. Kotnik. Pundits and kind of funny or something else about that in his own conduct, which is more realistically drawn kind of gorgeous you. Now he had this like really cool hairstyle and that's over got his hairstyle from. Oh, I heard that. Yeah. That is so wild. It was copied Captain Marvel Junior. A huge Captain Marvel Junior. Fan. I luckily. I'm going to be thinking about that for just days. You folks you. Like a little thing was getting pictures of Captain Marvel Junior. Side. And then maybe I'll get the haircut and then it could. Good. I'm committed. Along. It's wild. Can you like if? Comics crew will be captured jazz. Difference. That's going to be end of your competition done. Rich apologised created it for us. Well we have to talk about doom patrol because Oh my God you're run is just mind-bending in the best possible way and it's so gender Queer and Trans and sex positive and here he had positive and we'll at least period discussing. It acknowledges the. Happen. Guess period positive. Really picked up some of the fans I'm sure did I was deeply moved I was like this is so powerful today it even still feels like the things that you were doing are so transgressive for especially mainstream comics and I'm just curious what it was like to be doing that at that time and you've mentioned some readers did not love the period. Stuff but hey, I did so some readers did. But like what was it like creating at that time? Would you do anything different today or would you I don't know just would love to hear about the creative process around it first of all, you know was vertical. So was not exactly mainstream either was copy connected to mainstream commerce was patrol had been. Before vertical came along but nobody's straight a lot obviously but anyway but so was kind of connected with verdict was also very daring. With great working for. One of their favorite things was to take old mentioned characters and do wild stuff around them and that's how I got to do. Tomahawk have you ever heard of that common long time ago Tom was kind of like Daniel Boone kind of character but the American revolution I you know, I read as a kid I remember it being a favourite and yet when verticals Timmy, we're doing thing in which you know we do a modern revision of an old comic. You know it's been kind of forgotten. What would you like doing? Meet I said Tomahawk I don't know why. It ended up becoming my actually my revision of the American Revolution. Yeah, you did that for what was it vertigo visions was. Right thank you. Yeah. Anyway. So it was kind of in that city but grant Morrison done and he was just amazing and that's what inspired me I really wanted to do something inspired by Grant Morrison. But s what I might do differently I feel like now I look back it's an entirely take shape until actually the famous issue where Kate Godwin came in coagulates right which also but basically the issue about my most ridiculous super villain which was caught peace. And greatest of all time. I die. But. She does sound really strange and I tell us very loud. Fabio but I mean. Letters column is you know some of these fans Rodin and they thought I was attacking them. Making Fun of him for the sexual inadequacies I was so bizarre I mean first of all, it wasn't really a joke on inadequate no men spheres. Comic books because there's been these carried mostly Green Arrow, but other characters ridiculous armory of impossible weapons rate green Arrow quiver back at a boxing glove Arrow. Two Missile Arrow. Like that and they came up with this absurd Scott piece guy. And I need that story for him. Yeah. Okay. Why does he go around with this clogged weapon and I thought okay well, he felt inadequate because when he was in high school this grosses you out with him and he said why, Oh, you're too small and then in the next panel I, talked with a friend and her. He said Oh I. Don't know whatever I think about it, but he's wounded for life he. You. Know. So that's how that came about. But then introducing Kate was you know I talked to a friend of mine a transgender woman I was doing a complex. Okay. Be a character. She said to put that in the back of my mind, and so I did it I cars based on her on Kate Bornstein, a famous transgender activists wonderful person people wonder like how disgracing basically just kind of my friends. To some of the people I knew you know what they were like and what the world that it was lacking in feels like she could be one of my friends like it feels so weird to see her in the comic in some ways because she is so relatable. So late yeah. When she's like this is getting weird which is just Getting weird she like even for me and I'm like, yes even for you. And like I don't know I also love the way that thinking a lot about how the comic form gives us. So many ways to communicate who someone is and I was really touched by the the pin that she had about being trans. Lesbian. And I was young. That is such a powerful way to communicate so much and I see so many queer and Trans Comics doing the same thing where don't want everyone to have a speech. Darla Gorlic I am air, Trans Lesbian now no right like. Offers. But it's cool that we can do these visual cues and give them to center stage in a way that helps us be like Oh yeah. I love her even. Now that. Is So. Beautiful. I. Really. Great I love that she's from your friends that makes my heart. Really happy. Yeah. And actually somebody made a few buttons and I think gave. To someone. Go Oh. Wow maybe I meant. Yeah. Yeah. That was nice I wish to do that. Do patrols got a new generation of followers you know yeah I was GonNa ask, did you check up on the new comex or have you watched the new TV series at all? I tried to watch the TV series but I don't like watching things online. To like get a channel, ATV. Working. So I haven't really watched too much of it It seems very, very good in many ways. You know I really like what they're doing I have this feeling of Brent Morrison I think it's more grant Morrison than me, but that's Great Grand Morrison's work. So wonderful. They bring in the ministration later with Dorothy. Something else. So so that actually I got that from grant you know wasn't he introduced very subtly hinted at it Oh. Yeah. Okay. Okay and I thought well what the hell you know. Let's go all the way. I thought it was so funny when the when the male adult is like I, some reason seven days a month you have more intense experiences with your versions ever. Called the period dude relax. When She talks some great work was done around that I men in particular. Allen more swamping. Brave yeah. All these years all these centuries you know he's the first I ever. saw it to say the time of the war is when someone's having a period, right? sloppiest you know. Moon. Several days a month you know. Hey. Yeah I'm starting to piece it together in my mind. Yeah. You know took Alan more to out. Yeah. It is very interesting. That's such an interesting issue too. That's just. Really was yeah we were talking about things we loved about coagulate I wanted to know the fact that she tries for the Justice League and Justice League turns her down I think was like something that really did help establish so much in that run where it was just like when I look at doom patrol and I think of that team in general to me that just that made it click so much because it's just like these are totally the people who do try to get into the Justice League and the Justice League is like absolutely not. I think particularly her costume that she was walking away from the Justice League with I was like. Girl, I see why you made that choice and I can see why you weren't there not. You're my company. Patrol. So come on there. And you know what's interesting is that people refer to her as coagulated name was used once or twice now right? Yeah. I think somewhere someone told me recently maybe Joe Kerala that but um basically the name was a joke. Name a costume with just for. How with the Justice League? Because one thing I loved about doing patrol again from grant was the carrot had their name didn't have secret identity names right Pacific been robot man but then we'll call them anymore on cliff. Garvey was dorothy young ever had a secret identity. I liked that call those really create Tasha. So that's obviously what I did too. Yeah. So I want to talk about your new comic work by really quick before we go into that I, do want to mention because read your new gods run. Rate I love new gods so much, and I was just curious how that even came to be like what's your history with new guides were as much a fan of Jack Kirby's work as all the rest of us. At least much. To me, they're only few things in comics. Genius you know. And the new gods is one of them and the reason is because Kirby reading just know that he was going deep deep into his psyche you know and it was stuff up that was really like terrifying and powerful and secession. Amazing. So I really loved that whole thing and then I think it was Tom Pirate Tom. PYRE. For Tom pyre wrote me into new Gods Got Simon. Remember, how he juice of me as so for some I issues herself tom he out and I just took it over. That's so awesome and then you had a fairly lengthy run on it. You are on it for like a year, right? Yeah. Yeah. You're always the published. You know not enough of a following and I had issues with the art because the resignation comics that was all. TITS and ass time for female characters. One hundred percent. Yeah. With ridiculous impossible body postures. I like to joke that I would have resigned processes if they hadn't fired me. All of. Right. Because John Byrne wants to take it over. Everything. New Editor you WANNA total control but you know we got some good stories and that was great. That's true. Yeah I enjoyed it a lot. I understand what you're saying about the I I also have talked to multiple writers who are just like, yeah it's not always like on us when that stuff happens like we'll put stuff in the script that's like please don't sexual I did actually. I had a character based on the Goddess Sixteen now. Today. His name was pronounced degrees anyway but I said that she's tall and slim flat festive. Covered head to toe. Right. Looks like she was raised in a nunnery you know in advance. Get back to. You know. She must have huge breasts. Yeah. Yeah. Like why would a woman be in a comment if she does I you know, Lake. It's ridiculous I. got an email want some writer who's doing some project. I guess those suffering is being connected to, and he said you really wants to touch base with me. You know and it wasn't thinks he said to the editor. This was a new writer. You know who's really excited byun his project and he said the editor. Be Guidance. What do I need to keep in mind? You know about the female characters near said, big. Ass. It gets done that. You wrote me go. What the Hell? You can big ask them big tits only a tiny ways we have to. Actually be a human sized frames. You can stand but your and your eyes have to be facing in the same direction. Work that out leading. Yeah Jesus is right The ninety s but also I mean even now you see that stuff even now. It has a long legacy, but I think it has changed a lot over time so. Welcome to the People's podcast so. We woke up this morning and we decided to be socialist, and therefore what we're GonNa do is make sure that all of our tears patriotic you get all of the things no matter what tear you subscribe to you. So you can subscribe Tier One, Tier Two, tier, three, tier four, and you still get the same amount of content, which is all of the content because once again, this is the people's podcast we are here we're Marxist and we believe that everybody deserves to eat. So you did have of like a fairly lengthy break from comics. Now from what I understand, you're working on another book. I say a break from comics but that literally just means that you writing like seventeen books. Doing. All of this other stuff. But yeah, I was just curious. What are you working on now? How did IT COME TO BE? Kind of return to connex is largely from Joe Kerala and editor I approached me to do story a couple of cheese and other people approached me. From doom patrol. Balaji now and I I love love love writing comedy comics grazing to to and now joe as a project that he sold and he's me into Colorado was 'em and it's It's called never ending party. Excellent. That's so cool. I'm so glad to hear I'm going to be able to read a new comic from you. Yeah. Looking forward to seeing in print. Exciting. My career is Joe Kerala, and the artist is Eva Cabrera. Okay yeah, and she's so great job. That's so exciting. Are you working on any other I? Mean I know that myself this is the main thing I'm doing and I'm doing like seventeen other. Projects on the side you working on more books currently. I've got a novella which maybe long enough for small book, it may not be I'm going to have to. And that's kind of getting to the stage of wouldn't large erection. So clean it up type it I write everything long and type it some almost finish typing up the have revisions to, and so there's that and then I have a longer short novel installed and that's about. A wearable Colton. Central Park. This that and I've been telling the books for. Tarit ex. Couple more coming up. But the main thing I'm doing now is because as I just started really into, it is called an underway told the tale and the subtitle is my life in Tarot storytelling magic. So it's like a life story thing but it's All about magical things and things that are mysterious and strange, and what's happened to me in the power of storytelling and the power of Tarot cards and ancient gods and Goddesses, and definitely going to have to pick that up. It's going to be a wild but I'm going to go. About it does sounds amazing as he has talked actually a little bit. I think about Trans allegory with where wolves I think just the way that we're wolves have been treated. It's like now we see more commentary around and I just think that that's all really interesting. I. Really could see how is the connection there and the connection the idea of being cursed. Transforming against your will it's a horrible curse clerk people in general with you know the right wing was saying, well, people are just making your choice have to be gay or whatever the accidentally say, no, one would choose this who would have such a difficult life you know and lots of my friends at saying yeah, I, would. Yeah. percent, gay, people really like being. Yeah you want to be those guys. I like favorite part of myself. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean. So I can see the whole idea of where Lewis has. Energy and not a curse you know, right? Kind of the changes it right like that kind of just takes the narrative back and changes an. I you know what I love about that too I. Think it really to me captures the thing about my clearness that is so important to me, which is like change rapidly things change people change is about change and so yeah. So often when I hear people say it's choice I was born this way I'm like, Hey, more power to you I know that. I could have lived a life as a street person as a SYS person I could have existed that way for at least some period of time. Yeah. I. Mean I don't think I would have chosen that I think that was the life laid out for me and I diverted from it. You know and that's something that I think is powerful I don't take. The choices I've made I feel empowered by absolutely. Yeah, if. There's no way to know what alternative could have been Some science fiction, you kind of waited funeral certain flight home I see how long have you would have lasted? Sliding doors style, right I it's like I say. Nowadays is possible to come out really young. And the support. I mean I came out in my early twenties and that was difficult you know yeah and I just had to be really strong who I was, which is okay. I like that you know at the same time I didn't expect to that I. Keep My. Terrible secrets woman life you know and then I just couldn't couldn't be done I realized that it was not possible to do that. Right and you said that that was a right around the time before the recording started. You're saying that becoming a writer coming out all of those things kind of tolerance cited. And sewing my friend short-story and coming out his transient lesbian. All the same year. Back. Friendly honest metabolism miraculous us about sign in one, thousand, nine, hundred, zero, five, I guess it was when he published four separate abors. And created modern physics. And I think also Tricia us for Queen Victoria but I think a miraculous memorize year. That's beautiful. You're talking about like how how long could you go down that path and I realized I was non binary maybe Oh, I, always forget five years I mean what I don't even know what time is anymore six years ago five years ago whatever. But for me, it was like being given the key that helped decode my experience that second place over what happened to me as a child and be like Holy Shit this was me telling my parents that I wasn't a girl. This was telling my parents that I wanted to be who I was not someone else. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't have the words to say Mama and follow I am non binary I would like for you to respect that. For the kids who can. I was not that kid I was like, please love me I will do anything please love me and now I can see and feel that and I feel. So I haven't had a miraculous year yet I hope I do. It like a bunch of books or something, but it did it does feel a bit miraculous rate feels like a miracle to find yourself in a world. So deeply invested in making you repress all those parts of yourself and I should say myself it feels like I'm miracle define myself in a world. So invested in that, it's so powerful to talk about how how we find ourselves and I. Like people who are like I have known I was this since I was this and I never doubted I'm like Oh my God. Yea I'm so happy for you every day I doubt if I am good enough enough number. We have different experiences. them now I do yes. Yeah. I've had experiences this weird compensation several my friends. It's so strange. They don't seem to connected Toledo 'cause they've known me for years and years and I'm a nice sheen so. Taliban language. But talk about how they just can't get behind saying them saying and it's just strange. It's weird. You know. Stuck grammatical stuff you know I say to them well yeah. I get that I. found it awkward to it I. You know but you and me, it's just awkward for them their lives. Can't you see what's more important here? And they can't. Yeah, it's like a long standing right where it's like. You know how it goes like where people who are radical and revolutionary in their time than like as time goes on there just like Whoa whoa these new ideas though. Right. Shave. Right. Yeah Okay Binary. That's where I draw the line and it's like. Well, it's not your line to draw. Okay. Actually hostile to the concept. All right. Exactly. I mean really bizarre even understand it. Somebody's they were nasty right wing ideological people but they're not right now the people to supportive of people is just if having to reframe how the use grammer, it's still. Here, it is. You know there's plenty of things debunking. Oh we can trace the singular they back to chaucer and the Bible. I'm a cool I'm all about whatever evidence makes us feel good but importantly book you. Say the US. You can say I hate this bitch they're the worst grade. Find me don't care but just use the day then. Yeah. Basic basic courtesy you know. What it is being nasty about me Oh you need I don't mind just an Great Alex. You were talking about coming out in the early seventies and I came out in probably like I don't know late ninety s or something like that, and just the differences I guess it's wild to think sometimes about how much things really have changed because things I look at Young Queer people today and I'm just like, wow, it's so different for you than it was for me Ed. The late nineties and so in some ways better in some ways, it's just as hard. You know and in some ways even worse I would say you know it just depends on what store you have. But yeah, it's kind of interesting and I'm sure maybe even more. So from your perspective just that we changed so much over this time and yes. Some people some people still do resist it right. Sure. Of course they do. Yeah. Say that. No, you're correct. Audience. You're. Okay. Republicans. We've got people. Right. I mean, they're not perfectly cool with me but fine. Right I accepted the exist mad at them for it. Actually, it would really be great. Right. Wing person came up and said, I'm okay with you being clear you know and I would say thank you I'm not okay with you being Republican. I'm hoping. Okay. Choice. Yeah. Exactly. Oh my God this has been just ridiculously beautiful talking about Little Lulu who I have not thought about. Five years and I was like Oh. My God. Little Lou was like my hero is A. Cab much mayhem. Can I 'cause this? Beautiful? Gift Anthologies. You know darkhorse. Publish them. Mostly black and white, but a couple dollars in color I reread there's just glorious. Stanley. Artist. Just any real time I think. Beautiful things actually in the. Never, ending party. Is One of the main characters name blue and so I said to Joe I said is okay. dyonisis goes who little Lulu wonderful. Oh it's so sweet. This is why we love to talk to creators. So inside scoops. Yeah, we don't want keep you too much longer so We'll go ahead and wrap it up by it has been truly incredible to talk to you and yeah. Is there any final thoughts that leave us on that you have or? I just want to say I just be all I've seen different areas of things you know. I really love this time we're in the outside world is horrifying. Comics is so much wonderful new energy. You know and I love to see the rate stuff going on. You know we both read the we're still here was that the name of that. Yeah I mean that was such a mind blowing Lee good and Thala. J- I was just like it must be so amazing because I know even from my perspective growing up in the nineties reading comics and you just illeg all of these women are being terribly sexualize rampant homophobia everywhere illeg just constant racism and all of that, and then it's like years. Later we have these all queer anthologies we have so much more diversity I think that that's great. Yeah I don't know it's just so exciting to the League people who have been inspired by your work and are inspired me work creating new works and it just feels like there's such a proliferation of of Trans Creators Right now and you have very grateful for the web comic format. Cool Shit that they can't get published or maybe don't want to act constraints and that's like to me. That's just as exciting. We know you find something similar in. Cairo, wishes kickstarter. Used to be. Tarik. Publisher and they were going to have to invest fifty thousand dollars. It had to be really mainstream couldn't freak out people and stuff like that. Or Mental. So it was very narrow range of what could be done and now star you can raise not that much money and you can publish it yourself. So this great stuff is names on it always wanna be creative things all kinds of different kinds of styles, itself and a lot of stuff to. TERADATA now yes. That's so true. My partner just had their birthday and I bought them. A Queer Tarot deck and it's been fairy fun. All right. So much for joining us today and we're GonNa go ahead and let you go but this has been incredible and of thank you so much. Okay. Thank very much. We're a podcast that is all about making comic books more accessible to lgbtq folks and women. So if you have a question about anything related to comics, come out of nations, pop culture in general conventions, cost play, new name it. That's what we're here for. 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Episode 22: Playing footsie naked

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Episode 22: Playing footsie naked

"Bich comics I'm your host as easily nor and I'm Sarah Century thanks for listening the question from Kelley low comic bookstore really within even a half hour radius around me. One time I went into one. They told me that order something and then I never heard back and they seem to have forgotten about me. I'm not sure what to go back on a regular basis to get a pull this going. So what do you think is it better to wait for the collected volumes. Or should I be looking to get these on an issue by issue basis. It sounds like the situation that you're in specifically specifically you would certainly WanNa be waiting for the collected editions. It seems like you wouldn't have a consistent set up to where you are able to look for the issue by issue scenario radio. It seems like the Comic Bookstore is really out of the way. I have experience with this. Whenever I was a kid I wanted to buy comics more than I wanted to buy anything in my whole life so desperately look forward to the time when we could go to a comic? Comic store was like an hour away so it was like on Christmas. If I could get my parents to drop me off at the comic thirty minutes I could go spend all of the money that I had saved up on it right weird. I love that. Yeah it's real nerdy so I bought a lot of comics that were like the background story. You know the birds of prey whenever it was still being written by Chuck Dixon you know and all of that kind of stuff. I was buying doing that stuff. It was ninety s and I was in love with Comex so I would wait and try to collect everything and it was really frustrating and it gets really frustrating to do that back. Then they didn't really have trade paperbacks trade paperbacks or essentially made for you. If you're a person who has any kind of accessibility issues I would say. Absolutely wait for the trades. You can order them easier. You can order them from various places you don't have to go to a comic bookstore to order them. You can get them online. You can get them from a bookstore and get them from from your library. You can get them from your library in pretty much any library. Even if they don't carry them they probably have Inter library loan like I wanted to read the judge dredd. I'm nervous yes you like it. I don't love it. Yeah but we have different opinions about judgment. Love the movie in care of the comic. The only get Mr Inter library loan from like actually three or four towns over from Denver. I live in Denver. I can't judge dredd but fine. Whatever they got it for me and I was able to read it so go in? If you can to your library and just talked to somebody say like I have some books that I'm really interested shouldn't reading they might be a little bit more obscure maybe go in with a list. I don't know where he could get a list. I mean maybe from us from Patriot. If that's what you're into yes policed is important Morton. We've talked about that a little bit before. preordained is important if you really care about a title because comic books are just really really poorly organized. The way the sales work. So it's important if you can do that you can't don't feel bad Kelly. It's okay it's okay. I don't do a police right now. I'm not a huge fan of the local conway stores that I've been to. I also have just like a little bit of an obsession with being in my home. I'm tourists so I really love home. The other thing I was GonNa suggest and Sarah and I both do this. And I find it affordable for how much I read is you can get marvel unlimited right or DC the universe those are the two APPS for big companies. There's also comics Allah. Gee that's owned by Amazon and I believe it's called HOOPLA. That people have been telling me about. I haven't tried that yet. AM looking forward to it. It seems like it's going to be a good. Maybe non Amazon way of buying certain Comex overdrive yet. Libraries have a digital ability to to read comics. Mix Right so we've talked a little bit about where you can find comics and how to read comics and things like that but the specific situation that you're setting up here it just seems like if you tried to do issue by issue. It ended up missing ally and nobody wants to read a story where you're reading chapter to chapter three chapter five and then you don't get the last chapter you know absolutely so yeah. Just wait for the trades. And they're easier here to find their collected. They're literally made for you. Yeah I always recommend trades for people who are like I just want to get into a story. Yeah it's like okay then go pick up margarite benefits bat woman and just like dive in pickup saga of the swamp. And just go wild so I think that it's going to be a great opportunity for you. It's notable to the Issue by issue stuff is not something that is currently increasing much in value over time like it used to so there used to be a huge collector's market. That was driving a lot of this stuff. It's still exist somewhat. But it's not the same so I would just not even worry about that. A lot of the older comic collectors were really opposed to these trade paperbacks wchs because they were like oh it's GonNa kill the collectibles market but considering the fact that most of us live in poverty. Now I would say that that was already kind of on the way out the door so say lobby Our friend of the show. Sarah wanted to ask what are some of the first square comic characters out of all of the coming characters so I think the earliest one I have is from nineteen sixty eight. Do you have an earlier ones there. Yeah I have the ultra humanite which is a woman man. Monkey Situation Yeah definitely strange. Little strange old superman villain very rudimentary a understanding of Gender Dynamic Spec then of course but that was definitely an early take on a pretty clear character and then what do you have for the sixties. So I have captain his gums and his pervert pirates by S Clay Wilson in Zap comics from nineteen sixty eight. I'm not saying it was a a good thing right. But that was definitely a underground comic. That was super explicit sexually right and then you have the women's comics books trae Rasi Gay comics which is Howard cruse. Nineteen eighty women comics. They might have actually been like seventy two or something seventy one. Maybe but you know early and then you had ahead of course a lot of the people who are working on that went on into their own comics. Roberta Gregory and people like that. Has You know the naughty bits comic and that kind of stuff. Also of course love and rockets. We brought up multiple times. That's one of the earliest traditions of Queer characters. The ever made it anywhere close to a mainstream audience. I would say then you know then we start to get in text. DYKES DYKES TO WATCH OUT FOR YA. Bechtel that was nineteen two opposites sub sects super text. And then yes we get into a lot of subtext mystique misdee- he does denny. Constantine Richter and shatter star a lot of these became also outline or star. Who was one of the first came out but before four northstar? There was an incredibly stereotypical character. That was called extreme. No I believe that that name means stranger bizarre something just an unbelievably offensive ends of character. Honestly people did not enjoy that people were really upset about it and fair enough Tara from team titans not teen titans was alluded to perhaps. Let's have a romance on the horizon before the book was cancelled and then it kind of goes into northstar coming out who his whole coming out story was awful all full of stereotypes. You know his gay mentor. WHO HAS AIDS and is dying and the young kid and there's just all kinds of stereotypes barrier types in that and then of course as I've said before Northstar is almost completely written out of the book? He gets a mini series. A few years later where there is no mention of him having come out so it takes a long time for him to actually come out really after he comes out and then of course you know. Now we're in the modern age and then there's you know billions of other characters. Some of the other ones I. I just thought were interesting. I think I think a lot of these characters as having been out for a long time. And it's like Mike God. This is like no time at all. So Constantine was confirmed as by in nineteen eighteen ninety two when it was confirmed with one half of a line and the odd bloke and then nothing for a very long time Oliver. Yeah years years later years later we got Oliver ICEMAN. ICEMAN wasn't outed till twenty fifteen gene. A lot of characters like Moon Dragon Valkyrie. All all of those characters who are highly heavily closeted. That woman is fridge in the late seventies early eighties and then comes back as a lesbian in. Like two thousand eleven even so about women's only been around for you know the last eight years essentially we've seen a lot of growth obviously over that time but she was really. I believe one of the early examples of queer person who has is our own comic. WHO's in a mainstream situation absolutely Loki really became solidly gender fluid and buy it was implied before in two thousand fourteen? Yeah it's it's ridiculous honestly a lot of this stuff was incredibly slow moving and even characters our of course of course storm had a fling with Yukio. We were reading comics. Were storm was in a hot tub with Yukio playing footsie naked. You know but it was immediately not ever brought up again. So and you know Michigan Destiny Who every person knew that? That was a lesbian couple. It's really difficult to hide. Those two characters as being I mean you know maybe a lesbian and then gender queer couple or maybe a gender queer couple general but like essentially there's a queer couple right you know who at the time would have been considered lesbian and yeah we're only just now. We just now saw their on panel kiss for the first time and it was a flashback. So you know. We're still waiting through this stuff of Kitty. pryde still straight you know. Lay Charlie Quinton in poison ivy. Twenty fifteen they were confirmed that took years. And also you know they haven't and been able to make that story work except for in bombshells and then for a really brief time in the Amanda Conner Series and Both of those I think are great but it's really painful Foale to love those characters sometimes to see the way that they're written jug head was only confirmed as ace in two thousand sixteen and that didn't transfer it to the river. He's he's he's Allah Sexual Rhino and that stinks coagulate Trans Woman in Doom patrol. That's nine hundred ninety eight. I believe created by Rachel Pollack right away. Hi so as created by a Trans Woman Very interesting character. We're talking about her earlier. She is a sex worker. WHO has sex with rebus and then contracts contracts superpowers through their sexual encounter which I love and find weird? Different Times have a prophylactic exciting characters who died in the Sandman. There's that that's a big old list You know in hulking and wiccan. They were five. Sadly sadly was like early for this list. You know so you know now. We have America but we don't see enough of America America I'm sorry a lesbian who can kick star-shaped holes Mr dimensions and highs you. Princess in is like Latin x person. Yeah ye-yes she's the buzz. Where is this story yeah? Why don't always see more of her time? Yeah I think part of the reason. We don't see it for a long time is supposedly you know word on the street is marvel for instance had a no gays in the Marvel Universe Verse Policy Under Jim. Shooter's eighties tenure. Right or just the comics code in general so we can say yeah. Jim Shooter wasn't budging on that. But that was definitely something that we can't boil L. Down to being one editorial decision for sure for all of the editors had a fairly anti-woman approach for a long time. Not I'm not gonNA say all of them. I'm sure there's great great dude's not all men or whatever but it wasn't move. Yeah the facts. Don't always back you up on that. Not all men thing thing but I will say that someone worse than others and I also will say that any kind of hostile misogyny is probably going to reflect how you view queer people as well so if you're already hostile to women you're probably not going to be super accepting of gay people and it doesn't seem like there was a lot of acceptance during that time or even into the nineties. Uh even into the now you know we still struggle to get this representation so absolutely and I just don't WanNa leave them off because they end up being like kind of acute power power couple is midnight or and Apollo them. Yeah and they ended up parenting together. which is pretty cool? Yeah there's story is really hit and miss because you have people like Mike aac Millar. Sorry Mark Millar writing them but You Know Damn I don't know what to say sometimes it's Q.. Like I'm here for when he not in writing it. I have that ability. We were talking about this on a different episode where ability when whenever gene comes up like fine up with some blinders on. It's me was queer characters. Yeah good character comes up. I'm like this is great. I just love people so badly. Yeah Apollo midnight are iconic and they certainly were characters that were outside of mainstream. But yeah we were talking about like Pearla and stuff imprint. As a character who after years and years and years was outed as being sexual and end got a girlfriend and it was really gosh darn cute and it was actually kind of the best story for her because it was after a really long time of people dismissing her and then she had this kind of interesting queer personality that we got to see a lot of all of a sudden added all of this dimension to her. That's kind of the thing that people forget is when you are taking a character. That isn't very well known or it's a character who's been thrown under the bus a lot of times that we don't see a lot of like if somebody like Van Perla who's regularly dismissed. Part of her story has always seemed very queer and so to add the queasiness adds so much to her character. Because it's almost like a block is being removed from them right totally. I I feel exactly. I felt with Loki. Yeah about ICEMAN. He's wrong characters that after years and years of subtexts we finally get these better better stories with them in the way that they got to have better stories is the way that a lot of us get to better stories inspire coming out of the closet. Eh Rachel Summers Mater. First appearance in days of future past which was the alternate reality version where Mystique and destiny kill Robert Kelly and then the future turns Olympic all the X.. Men Die in this and that and then Katie Pride as I think forty something in your old person gets sent back by Rachel Summers who we have no context for in this but we see a red headed girl named Rachel Summers and we think the sounds familiar. I think I could say summer offering. Something's happening I don't know what so. She helps kate. Pryde go back into a young Kitty PRYDE body right so for that whole arc. We're dealing with Kitty PRYDE. But we're also dealing with Kate Pride in kiddy prides fourteen year. Old Body I don't know if you've ever thought about what it'd be like to be fourteen again but it sounds terrifying. I would hard pass one of the things things that would be. Terrifying about a post apocalyptic future going back into the top five concerns about the future absolutely being sentenced my fourteen year old body. Yes dislike so Rachel Summers comes back a little bit later. We find out that she believes herself off. To Be the child of that Universe's the days of future past universes. Jean Grey Summers Right. Both of whom died is that stories. PHOENIX cyclops Aby. There is another theory. His Phoenix is the dad of Caracal so phoenix and Jean have baby. Yes and I like that theory so much so much better so calling her. Rachel Summers doesn't even make sense. Which is why a lot of people call it? Rachel Grey right now because of course she's always had the most extreme of mom issues and if you if you were just a young queer in your mom was that God damned perfect in that like drop dead gorgeous and every person. Whoever meets her loves her? Then you would have all kinds of complexes and that's where we find our girl. Rachel Grey so Rachel Grey Half Siblings and the summers sort of yeah like different universe siblings they talk about it. They have weird interactions. That are them being kind of like. Hey Sh guess what we sort of have the same parents Question Mark so Rachel drains strife brother. Yes because stripe is also a claim of cable slash. uh-huh oh strive so scrapers like drunk train. I mean who's really better. Just mad about everything mad about his parents mad about his brother mad about everybody. Rachel numbers also WanNa make a note was a hound in the future. She was trained to track down other mutants. Her mutant to liberty was something that traumatized her because she was put into the service of tracking down other mutants the killing them essentially hot. She's such a babe and she also has the incredible leather outfit with the spikes on it. The Red Leather and then she had her like crop. It's been years and we're all still everybody's like Oh yeah this character straight for sure you should you should just believe leavitt and his leg. I'm sorry this is the same character that had a rat l.. From nine hundred eighty five nine hundred ninety nine uh-huh and she wore a red leather studded outfit everywhere. She went casually so Columba. She ended up. Actually doing this really interesting thing to which was in uncanny x men at a certain point. She decided that she hated the beyond her. So much that the whole universe I would be better without the beyond her so she was going to restart the whole universe and kill everybody. She'd ever met the beyond your sucks. So bad I'm just is GONNA kill the universe and remake it in my image and the x men were a little put off by that. It's really funny. Actually because rogue comes running in and Rachel Summers as saying that Roy goes no your mom's Phoenix No. She just goes running to tell on her so that was fun. That was very rogue I would say for that time period so they stop her but wolverine ends up stabbing her and then she goes through the siege paralyze and she comes back and Excalibur and excalibur. is where you see her. And Kitty Pryde be girlfriends. Yes yes remember that nudge. Very girlfriends after after that she's gone completely off the rails. Nobody knows what the hell to do with that character. So that's pretty much the Rachel Grace Story now. UCR and they're like well she's dating nightcrawlers now and it's just stopped trying to make her be straight. It's not gonNA work so awkward when they do that when you're like the characters queer. I'm not telling you to make the character where you wrote them. Queers is the most queer coded character I've ever seen mom issue red leather Raft Hill Kiddie Kiddie prize. Best friend or you. Serious long hadn't put that they showed a bedroom for a little while and whenever colossus came back from the dead Rachel Summers instead of being happy that Colossus was back from the dead said. Does this mean you're going to move out of our room. That is so and in the end. The comic the end Kiddie parade is like the president of the United States. And Rachel Summers is her friend and WHO's always at her side in lives with her and they share a bedroom just gal pals just gal pal. Pretty sure it's like Miley on vacation. Yes Scalp House Gal hanging out smooch. Adama Lips Yeah. That's what I do with my gal pals. Yeah that's the story of Rachel. Grey Gal Pal extraordinaire. She really is in the week. Is the pervert art by Remmy Boy del words by Michelle Perez. It was great. Oh this is a comic about a young Trans woman living in Seattle who is dealing with gentrification and being pushed out of the ability to support or herself and she's a sex worker and it's about the relationships she develops individually as part of her sex. Worker friendships her relationship with other a trans woman and it is just beautiful. Yeah it's really interesting. There's so much about this comic and yet the plot is just look. That's pretty much all that happens. If you're looking for things that happen happen in a story or the tone and the mood. I think that is why this is comic. Stood out so much. A lot of people put this at the very top of their twenty eighteen list. As you know one of the best comics of the year I would go so far as to say this is really one of the best comics of the decade really and comes from a perspective that you really don't see in Comex at all. Oh so you don't see in comics from sex workers. You really don't very often see comics from trans people at all in comics. But that's part of what makes it so great but also it seems like that specific viewpoint in Seattle at this specific time when a lot of people are getting pushed out and a lot of artists are getting getting pushed out to me. It granted so much depth in perspective. Yeah anchors it to a very specific time in a way that not many comics are right you know maybe like Levin rockets in the early eighties is like very linked to like that punk culture and things like that but a Lotta Times comics try to exist completely outside of the Times that they're in a superhero comics and those almost always don't make connections to what's going on in the world or you see what to me was a really bad version of it. which was when Lois? Louis Lane is taken on Donald Trump or whatever in that new series I call you know there's things I do love about that series but I didn't love that aspect of it. I think that what is interesting. Thing about this one is that it is exactly in the moment that it is right yeah. It captures specific experience in a way that is universal yeah and it is so filled filled with longing and loss and desperation those moments where everything feels bad and long you no. You can't put words to it in a lot of ways. It's profound in that way. I think because it gives that voice to just the depression of needing to move move on and not being capable of doing it yet literally because our society will not let you. Yeah she lives with street harassment. y'All gal she lives with you. Know going on a date with a woman and then her husband popping in like hey three way time and you know she deals with her girlfriend judging Her for be okay with her body polly Ameri where because of the character themselves is not a perfect character which is important according to know because there's other characters that come across fairly badly in this but then also. She isn't the best that she is going to be right so you you see her make mistakes where she is not necessarily communicating things very well. She's with this person who doesn't give a lot of physical affection and you can tell that that really wears on the character actor but then later that means that like her attention goes away and so they have this kind of inability to see eye to eye and is like it's not a bad relationship Lucien ship but it is a terrible relationship because see I write like there's nothing intrinsically abusive but they just don't agree on this fundamental doc plays absolutely an eater the head I think about it is it captures the experience of being so hor that you cannot fix your life. Yeah A- and having been there at times in my life and I know you have to Sarah like if you haven't been there you just it's really hard to understand what the experience is like and I think this captures how devastating poverty actually is and then also the fact that cheese making boundaries. And she's doing a good job of trying to draw these lines. I'M NOT GONNA put myself in this terrible position just because I it desperately need the money but then also a lot of her job ends up having to be in these kind of comfortable situations and doing that. You know because is needs to get money to do things you know needs to move on and that ends up in some ways tying her very much to the moment that she's stuck in so she ends up meeting that guy who is like wanting to make more of an emotional connection yeah but then also in some ways wants to control right now. Uh He's a widow. Who was married to a trans woman and is really transferring? A lot of feelings aren't the main character and the reason we're not using a name maker doesn't have a name in the space. Jason share some sort of nom de plume so to speak those are really good. Double Entendre for that one. But she knows she doesn't and she doesn't give her real name just doesn't come up and there's so many tensions in this. I think we're really incredible. There's tension between city life and she's from Rural Michigan Michigan and grew up hunting. And you know there's this juxtaposition of the imagery of the hunting and the sex work and there's just position of the emotional situation. She's he's an Kenzo's things as well. Yeah being pulled in a lot of directions at the same time and then also people constantly trying to establish control over her and her being elusive allusive. In this way that seems to draw them in more but means that as she's trying really hard to establish this as she's giving different names and things like that those are ways to keep people from getting to keep her right. Yeah she's trying really hard to put these distancing places and people are continually ignoring that. She doesn't always AH articulated so it makes it difficult I think from all the sides are like a lot of people are having a hard time finding an emotional center and she she is as well. Yeah but in her quest to try to kind of establish what she actually wants and what she wants to do where she's going to go and things like that she. He's just running into a lot of people I think that are trying to impart their will on her. Absolute makes it really a very interesting story to read. Because all of the time I am she is trying to push that away but also needs this emotional thing that she gets from people whereas we all do so. It's just fascinating to watch the jags exposition of pushing and pulling. Yeah just all of that. Like through this entire thing the emotional resonance or any person who's been in those desperate poverty situations nations and then also you know people who have been in situations where people try to make you be something that you're not absolutely it's just so profound you know there's so underrepresentation of what Trans woman have to do to survive. You know to to butch themselves up or to make themselves look like they're dead itself and and it's really hard to read and also it's really empowering to see this character choose of self over and over and over and over you know. She chooses her and she chooses to stay alive live. That's not the only option you know. There's also a lot of sex and that's causing a lot of graphic sex. Yeah a Lotta Lotta dogs and then also also the art is really great and dreamy but dreamy. Yeah I love that description. Yeah but it's what would you say kind of like a Animal Rights anthropomorphized people. So they're like human bodies and then like dog head or cat head or or whatever and it it seems to be on by gender So people who are ciswomen. I should say our cats I think by and large and Trans Women are sort of these these puppies but it which sometimes right because the guy is a Baldo yet. It's interesting that they're they're clearly. One of the things that are doing the rim doing and this is playing with our conceptions of how gender animals yeah and so you get the sort of weird overlay of experience where it's like I I don't always love anthropomorphized says place where I felt like it worked really well in it was. It was surprising right. Because you don't see these styles styles match no and so playful childish. Almost things times again been mousters. That's obviously it's not not always but it has a whimsical. I should say as a whimsical quality to like make animals humidity but then here with themes and the plot points. It's incredible yeah interesting very very interesting. Just an emotional book. I was going to say it's emotionally profound in a lot of ways because there's no easy answers answers as a great great way of describing it. You know it's a lot. About what decisions do you make when most of your decisions are taken from you. Yeah and it's it's inspiring to see a character figure it out and it's devastating exact same time offers to rescue her and make everything better and and she is not rescue. Yeah and that is not what I want like no matter what happens for the character of the book. You're like this is her choice. Even if given L. Limited set of options. Yeah it's beautiful. Everybody has Tarita if you'd be into a book that is about all of the things that we just talked about. You've got to check this out absolutely The Mirror podcast. That is all about making. Comic books. Looks more accessible to LGBTQ folks and women so if you have a question about anything related to comics comic adaptations pop culture in general conventions cost. Play you new name it. That's what we're here for. You can send us your questions at bitches on comics at gmail.com. Unfortunately Jima does not like the word bitch. They're pretty judgy about about it. We can't have it spelled out. It is be dot T. C. H. E. S. O. N. C. O. 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Episode 46: The Road To Booga

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Episode 46: The Road To Booga

"Welcome to on Comex. Century and I should poison ivy and Harley Quinn. I'm SEC in were also reported. This is a pro that ship podcast dating back to the very beginning Harley right are Levin Karlovy. Love, it. Stay we have a question from B. is for Bethany on instagram. I would love to know your thoughts on how harleys newest adoration relates to tank. Girl Harley. Quinn has more storylines and I know tank girl from the movie only, but they both give off a revolutionary anti-establishment vibe, but they're still very different and Bethany was also talking a little bit about the film representation in birds of prey as well so many things to talk about. Yes! I can talk about all of them I think. You've come to the right place. Bethany so I loved reading tank girl as a kid. It's early nineties stuff, right? The comic started in the late eighties. Okay cool well sounds about right because the film came out in one, thousand, nine, hundred five. Yes, the film just hit. It's like twenty fifth anniversary, so yeah, tinker. All the movie is a very different thing than tank girl to comment. Tangled. The comic is basically just kind of anarchism late eighty s early ninety s style. They've been making Tangaroa Cummings for a very long time. There's a lot of conversation about what the inspiration of girl was. Obviously tank girl is somewhat based on Hopi from love and rockets. There's like kind of no denying that they say. Writer Allen Martin says that he he had a crush on somebody who had a resemblance to hope he or a character from love and rockets I don't even think they could legally say. The directly based on Hopi, but they're just like. Oh, yeah, like yeah, we We had a crush on a person who was like that character, and so that's where this idea comes from by. You know. Basically it's different from love and rockets. Because obviously we've talked about that a lot of times where it's this kind of slow-burn epic I guess whereas with tank girl. It's just I want I want to blow things up. You know the things that we all want I. WanNa Fuck I want a drink. I want to blow things up I WANNA be me. She loves having SEX WITH THE KANGAROO. Guy, Who loves it because like she's at war with the kangaroo guy is kind of at the beginning, but then she's just like yeah, but lake, dam. So she dates them and that's that's true in the movie as well so they're all short stories. You know they're all just a few pages long, and it's whatever bonkers stuff is going on. It's kind of the style of political commentary that you get in the ninety s from punks who are just kind of like blew everything up. Though and you know, drink a lot of bearer, fuck the man I won't live by no rules, or you know all of that like I mean I'm saying this is somebody who like literally is still pretty much upon by. Ninety s punk is definitely kind of where it becomes mainstream and loses its political a little bit, and that's kind of how. It goes a little bit. It loses his political edge such as it was, but it's still going. They're still doing tank girl comics, and the thing that Harley and girl do you have in common? Just as a starting point is the fact that they both have really interesting supporting casts obviously we just saw the birds of prey movie where the birds of prey, unfortunately kind of were the supporting cast of Harley, though they all obviously deserve each their own movie, but they worked as. As a great supporting cast, and that's kind of how it is. What tank girl! She has a jet girl, Love Jet Girl Jet Girl is the best in the movie. She's so cute in the movie. She's kind of different. I mean Naomi. Watts is beautiful from then to now and like so gain the movie. She's so gay in the movie Yeah Yeah. She's more gay in that movie than she is like Mahala. Driver something for like literally has sex with a woman in. Just, like damn girl, you gaze so in the comics. She's gay and that's great like she's the best gay person. She's in love with submarine girl, and so they have this kind of similarly chaotic thing where you know. Jet Girl walks around and thinks deep thoughts to ourselves about how much she likes her girlfriend, and like it's just great. It doesn't get enough screen time like whatsoever it. It just doesn't and then. Of course there's Barney and I love Guga's while, but I wanNA. Talk about. Barney because this is the character who just kinda comes out of nowhere all of the time and they'll be like Bernie. Where the hell did you come from why you have a boat and she's just like Oh. Yeah, I! Mean like this is just like my boat. That's my friend. who like he's dead now? But like now so it's my bow, or whatever like do you need a lift or why? They're in a war Bougie integral or like? We're never going to get out of here alive, and then party is just like Oh. Yeah, but I mean like here's me and I have like all of these motorcycles. Listen Motorcycle Outta here and she drunk and it's really funny. She's constantly showing up completely wasted at like two PM and being like. Yeah, absolutely I'll save your life of course like you're my best, he. I love the characters I think it's actually the best thing about the tank girl comics because we talked about this a little bit I don't love the tank girl comics tank girl, I love jet girl, a Barney love submarine girl I love Buddha I think because hysterical I'm into all the characters is just so happened on the page. That are you know a real bummer? There's there's a decent amount of fat shaming in some ways. Tank girl is definitely a manic pixie dream girl. Everything's got weaknesses to goes into militarization at a certain point. Point, which is Lake I? Guess, but that's not super pong. Yeah, I mean there's tons and tons of fat jokes and tank girl and I think that culturally in the ninety s probably like reviewed a lot of things differently. I guess I don't think that there was probably ever a time when it was really acceptable to fucking be shut. People about like anything to do with their way, but like they've. They know it's pretty acceptable right now. It was like a huge fucking story in endgame. That's right I. Mean it's not acceptable to me. I think is. Friends. 'CAUSE I'm like. Oh, well, maybe back then or something, and then it's just like no I was not a piece of shit, then either like so I don't really know I can't make that comparison. Just the fact that like our culture is shitty about it, and it needs to stop, and it's not fun is not Super Punk fucking sex I. DON'T REALLY WANNA. Read jokes like that in Comex at all, and unfortunately, there's like a ton. Ton Of them and tank girl over the years over different creators, which is like I mean you would think that at some point you know it would kind of ironed out, but unfortunately not. That's what makes it difficult sometimes to recommend tangle to people because you go well. I don't know if you're going to be able to like zone out during this five page long fat joke that exactly, and that's why I differentiate between liking the. And Liking the character and some of the comics are really good though. There's great moments you know like it's the thing you. You're kind of walking a mind filled in the way that you don't want to be actually. Yes, that is like as a fat person. I walk with enough discrimination against I. Don't need to find it in my comics. I think that was a hang up for me when I. When I i. read the Comics But I. I watched the movie to prepare for US talking about. About this, and it reminded me of all the things I really did love about the comics. It was like a nice reminder of like I love tank girls, chaotic energy look I. Really do it's Super Fun. It's one of the things she has in common with Harley. Quinn and Lori Petty. While what choice for take girl? Oh right so good. She killed him. Yeah, I love it and movies, not perfect. It starts in a weird. But it has just that good fun comic Book Energy of like. Losing it, everything is wild. Yes so fun, right? Yes, there's a comic adaptation of it. That's pretty fun to. The things that overlap about hardly tank girl are some of the things that I love both them their chaotic energy. I loved it. They are just like no I make the decisions really like that energy from both of them, but they're like. No, no, no I'm in charge. Great supporting cast like you spoke about, and I think that supporting cast can be like a technical way of talking about it, but it really is also about their relationships. Relationships mean a lot to both tinker on Harley Quinn. We don't always think about with someone who's so chaotic and they both can be kinda selfish, but their relationships motivate them. Their relationships are what make them round. Characters Harley Quinn's relationship. Poison Ivy makes her become a more introspective better person tank roles relationship with Buddha I. Don't know if it makes her a better person, but it certainly brings for a lot of JOLFA. I think it does too. Though because there's like this one that's called the road to boot. Which is a pretty fun series. There's this whole story between them or she's just like. What things are great with me and booger right now, but it wasn't always this way and. Flashback to whenever they ponder tank, and then like they didn't have enough money for it, so they ended up losing her tank and she's like tank. Liz. Take girl without a tank and they're at war. All of these people are coming after them like they have all of these problems they have. No weaponry boobs starts just like reading a book you basically. Gold and so. They starts getting really into this book and being like poetic. and. So. He's kind of getting back in touch with themselves. Tanker wants to kill him because he keeps saying things out loud because he's such an attention seeker, so he's like. Yes, absolutely, we're going to this place with these people and tinkerers like shut up my God, so they have this tension in these fights through the entire series where boobs kind of leg. Oh, you're mad about that. That's kind of how he fights. Towards the end there's a scene where his legs. Would you marry me or whatever and she's just like? Yeah, and he's all really and she's like I. Mean who else am I going to marry? I was like this is the love story of our times. Between this site, chaotic, little woman and this kangaroo man. and. They're beautiful cast of friends so good. That's one of the better tank girl story is honestly if you can track down road to Boob that like pretty funny and doesn't have a lot of the same fullbacks. You're like yeah. That's Great I. We'll have checked that out. You know my my instinct was like. Yes, he's made her a better person, but I haven't read that. Run the thing that to me is like Oh my God. The thing that is about Harley. Quinn take girls characterization. The way! They both smile mischievously. Something and Calbury bad whenever I watched back through birds of prey I found myself so delighted by something that intellectually I didn't register, but how every time Harley does something she goes. That made me really happy because I was like no matter. What Hurley's having a really good time and Temp world feels Riley having. Last same cackle, same cackle. Or the entirety of the first tank, girl movie, and so yeah, I mean. Margot Robie is going to work on the next. Hey, girl movie, and I think that that can only be good, because it's GonNa be Super Fun I hope that it's different than Harley. I think that it would have to be but I. Hope that it is a hope that she gets to kind of explore another chaotic side of her personality. Kind of what we've been watching on screen and I'm really enjoying it, so don't know just having like women behind the tank girl franchise in that way because Rachel delay always talks about all of the problems that she had just constant notes from executives being like I. Don't think that like affirmative I'm has a place in cinema. Like. Because she talks about it, she directed also. Freddie's dead. which for my money is the best Freddie movie? This is a very controversial stance amongst horror films were. The first nightmare on ELM street is unbeatable and like they wanna fight me about the fact that I'm like I like number six. I? Love was sequel that everyone hates. Originally is incredible Oh. Yeah, she's totally incredible, so yeah, if she can bring maybe Rachel and Lori Petty in some capacity into the new movie. That would be excellent. I think that that's more important even than bringing in like the original Allan Martin and Jamie Hewlett because they lake I've been doing these stories for a really long time, but they've also kind of kept taint girl in a Rut in some ways You know their character, so do what you want. Definitely, but also I'm kind of like I want to see like new places for tank girl to go I'm excited about the new ideas that we could see how she's different from Harley. Who owns tank girls film rates right now, but if they're not a DC comics property, then they're probably going to be able to get away with a lot more than the Harley Quinn movie was allowed to ask so. I'm looking at just like unbridled anarchy, basically what I really want to see out of this film, and that is kind of what the two characters do have in common, but tinker goes. Completely different direction with it. I completely agree and I think that what I generally see is harleys. Anarchy is less. And ten girls as much more political, but Harley did vote for Bernie. And I was GONNA. Say you know that doesn't totally hold up under further investigation. 'cause tank girl oppose apocalyptic wasteland water rights, etcetera, etcetera, all kinds of different things, water rates is just one thing, and you know. She really is advocating for anarchy in a time and place where people earned to organize the same way on this post buckle world whereas Harleys, usually in a world that still exists although in the new Harley Quinn animated series in season two. I was even noticing more similarities with the even the tank girl film because it. Is this post apocalyptic Gotham where Batman is gone and the villains have divided up the city. City and so I thought that that really did lean on her political leanings there because she's constantly I, don't want to cover up the city I want anarchy. All I want is fucking anarchy. Let's have more anarchy and I thought that was an interesting way of showing the political aspect of it as well, but for me. The big differences to our lake I think harleys not nicer. That's at the word I'm looking for, but maybe a little bit more acquiescent. She's more a cartoon character. She's more bugs bunny about things. Tank girl is bugs bunny, but she is also a punk, and being means something different than harleys like Harley. Themed you know that's not, I could see these to having conflicts based on. Yes, certain personality differences like being punk wanting to destroy everything drink beers. Obviously, we see a different side of that with Harley where she's getting drunk because she's experiencing pain and stuff, but in the morning Hurley's going to wake up and go to work. You know like she's going to do things. She has ambition. Her ambition is hilarious. Ambition through the entire film, right? What is tank? Girls in Bishen? Everyone basically so there's a nihilism to taint girl that I think that hardly honestly doesn't have it all because she tries to preserve things and people alive. You know so even though she wants anarchy. She still has a comparatively naive view of what that would be like. She would want that to be a good hearted. Situation for the most part you know with lots of pranks whereas. Girl is like burn it down. You know that's a great way of describing the difference. Is trying to get out with like harleys more still a people pleaser like even though she's learning not to be in part of her relationship with poison, ivy is learning not to make her personality about everybody else and make her life about everybody else, but doesn't have that same problem. Girls a lot more selfish and and I don't mean necessarily as a bad thing I think that tank girl knows who she is to a very different degree than a Harley does. Yeah, I think so too. is very comfortable with those elements where you see hardly really have to struggle with it right so I think that kind of crisis of conscience would be a little bit different, whereas like ten girl just make sure every single time that she's aiming her guns at the terrible people, and then she doesn't feel bad about it and. She's to dental regard than she is to Harley for the most part, but yeah. I get that vibe in the movie and I. Hadn't I hadn't read much deadpool when I read girl, so I didn't feel that as much in the comics, but yeah with the movie I was like. Yeah, this does have some big deadpool energy. Or maybe deadpool has some big tinker energy. Yeah, so that's that's US talking about Harley, Quinn and tanker. What are you all, click? Do you see parallels between the more dissimilarities? It is up on twitter, instagram. Send me a postcard and we would love to hear your opinions. Wow. Everybody would've wild June. We just had. Why is it was wild? 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That was related kind of one offs and miniseries all over the place like. Like I love that stuff, but for my money, this was the best one because this is creating a whole different part of the world right? You know it's like we ended up with so much more mythology. Basically, a lot of people were like. Let's explore the characters that were already on the table, and that's a really great idea, but this kind of just goes in its own direction. Right from the very beginning. Touch on those characters I think this is some of the Best Cain and Abel Oh Gadjah. I'm not irradiated by their presence. I'm not trying to get them off. The page I'm like okay. Oh interesting. Yeah, she rides so well. Her came. Enable is incredible, and they're still like we talk a lot. About are the characters the same in like when someone else gets a hold of them as if a new iteration and this felt like a seamless continuation. said that, but not just sandman world, but like in able I mean the thing that I love about the Sandman Comex. Is How tricky they are to me. It always makes me think about what we try and talk about the way the brain works right and enjoyed because it's the dreaming dreams of trippy and. Cetera et, Cetera et Cetera and I just thought this built on that in such beautiful way. They're still trippy stuff. They're still at cool like I love the crocodile dude. He's cool, uncle Monday. Uncle Monday I love uncle Monday. He's so funny and I love that he contains these dichotomies. He's truly a gentleman, and like a very gentlemen sense right, and he'll be like. Oh, I'm going to go eat. Somebody like that's so cool. It's kind of beautiful. He jumps into the water. Has Crocodile Form sometimes and yeah, he's an amazing character. A lot of it is based on African gods, and the stuff is just so amazing I love the girls that are in the center of this. There's the girl her two younger sisters right and then her girlfriend are kind of the focal point in a way and one of them is dead without being dead at. At a certain, and that is just some of the weirdest coolest creepiest, just such a good plot twists kind of and just so great to watch unfold in front of you, and then resume early the goddess. Who's Oh my God the main character to see her? Not Know what something means. I always think that's what the Salmon Stories did best is they took these God or God plus almost beings, and gave them moral quandaries. Things never faced before, and that's exactly Hopkinson harnesses that energy in this, but it's so far because there's really not a skinny white dude. She's a big fat, black woman who's a bad ass and sexiest buck. She's amazed. God Damn! That woman is hot. Yeah, her ship. She has amazing boat that she. A riverboat and that's the big problem. Right is that the boat ends up her. She ends up in the water at a certain point, and then is kind of stranded. It's kind of the same as a lot of the same man stories like the best man stories, where is about a god whose powers are for some reason kind of stripped from them temporarily like not entirely, but temporarily and her having to get out of that and like. The? Ways the all of these characters end up having to work together in a strange way, even if they don't even directly in our act is kind of mind blowing to me, it's just like every single thing. We loved about this an man. It's those interconnecting stories, the deep dive into mythology, just gorgeous art, unbelievably gorgeous art in so fun to see religions and spiritual rights that are not Christian that are not creek. That are not Roman. Roman on the page to see African traditions and African diaspora traditions, treated with such tenderness and care and represented. You know sometimes I think about in in Constantine. There's so many bad examples of black religious traditions they strip away the agency and the spirituality that comes with these things, and they painted as and I'm gonNA use scare quotes. You just can't see me dark matter black magic, not in the sense of like black capital be magic. Magic done by Africans or African Americans or black people or the diaspora, but like the band Magic's. It just so happens to be done by black people and so fucked right like It's such a fucked up. Economy set up in the first place, and this is such a beautiful I want to say gentle way of reclaiming it. It have to go head to head with these sort of fucked up mythos that exist in the DC universe's. It can just sort of crack that open by saying. Saying and here's something else. We just happen to have not explored. That exists. You know and it's like yes, yeah, I mean that's it right? It totally just dive into things. We barely saw dressed in San. Man Does and so you have so so much to love about this comic. I think that NAO Hopkinson. Is such a great writer and has been writing so many novels and things. I think the first thing I read by her was maybe the salt roads and the seller is brutal. It's so good it's devastating. It's one of those books where almost every page I'm just like dear. God this is one of the best things I'm ever going to read in my life and being also still devastating here I feel like it has more kind of fanciful. Air Is kind of more comic book style absolutely. Brutal stuff in here. There's still stuff that's even just alkyl Monday in itself you know like. Down on people does having a casual crocodile God you. Know is very terrifying. Just in and of itself and having a girl, he was dead without being dead. Yeah, her girlfriend has still figure this stuff out with her. It's certainly haunting and eerie, and has all those things that I think are quintessential to the sandman universe. Some I don't know it feels like it. Just like the story always existed, didn't it? It's so good it feels timeless, and that is I think such a to Hopkins Writing Oh. Yeah, absolutely I mean this entire creative team just knocks. Knocks it absolutely out of the park. The interior are incredible, just beautiful. The covers gorgeous the lettering all of it. It just is one of those comics where you're like. This is like a class on how to make a comment. Oh, on like you couldn't make something like this, but you could learn about comics from this because it just is so perfect. The amount of P- roses so perfectly timed. The art is so so good and just intersects with that storytelling so so. So well how they balanced like using traditional smaller panels, and then a full page spread realism to magic, just all of it. Honestly, this is one of my favorite comics. I have talked about it multiple times I wrote an article about it. 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Episode 38.0: Everything has some hopefulness

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Episode 38.0: Everything has some hopefulness

"Welcomed vicious on comics. My Name is Sarah Century. I have two cats on his name. Shaq the other one is named. They're really you die messy and I have one dog named Poe and he's just a little person in a dog suit creepy than I thought that we're GONNA keep it above level on that one. Never never never never welcome. Got a question on instagram. Had to double check that but yes it is instagram that we got this question from Ab. What's your favorite book? You've read during Rona for recent listeners. Were in the middle of the pandemic and it is called the Rona that will probably still be relevant whenever this goes up. I'm pretty sure I can't imagine it will be not there anymore. Yeah so I know that you read a book that you were really super stoked about I would love to hear about. Is it called? Yeah I mean. I've read more than one book but I'll say that one book that I have read was Sir see by Madeline Miller. I kind of jump in on books I read. Whatever looks even remotely interesting to me. The cover is just kind of a classic Greek face you know so it has this kind of orange and black cover. That looks really cool. I like Sushi as a character and I don't think that she has really gotten not much flushing out for the most part. I'm talking about Sir. See the ancient Greek character so I did Google it because I was like wait. Not Sir see from game through or like associate from wonder woman only. Yeah there's a few services but they're all kind of based on at least in some ways so certainty is the one from the Odyssey right who ulysses goes to the island with his men and Sir Syed turns them into animals right like that's her gift. This just flush out her story. This kind of tells you where she sat through the whole thing and whenever she does ultimately start turning minutes be sits because literally one of them like assaulter. She opens up her island to people who are visitors. Because she's just like Oh. It looks like you almost died on those rocks your choppy waters with broken ship. You know let me help you out. And that of course ends up going really badly for her at a certain point so she starts turning men into animals like pigs specifically and you know roasting eating them so I love it. That's pretty cool. Yeah no she feels bad about it later because this trajectory where she kind of started being a little bit heartless like a little bit you know. She's one of the God she lives on Olympus and everybody's Dixon's she's kind of just raised in this bad environment she falls in love with a mortal who becomes a God and then the once. Beautiful Scylla of Salih encrypt is fame. Silla falls in love with him and he falls in love with her and so certainty. Easy transmute her into the Monster Scylla Silla kills all of these men and she has to live without further rest of her life and even whenever she comes face to face with Cilla. She's like there's no mind behind this creature anymore. Like I literally destroyed this person and turned her into this. She has to deal with a lot of the horrific things that she does throughout time but also the fact that she has put into isolation she's put into exile by Zeus on this island and stuff like that so people start sending their bad daughters to her. There's all of these women that just have terrible attitude problems walking around her island and he's just like okay. Don't look at me and don't be in the room with me and the girls are like. I didn't WANNA lick it. You're stupid thing. I would definitely be one of those girls in this scenario and they leave after a year if they're undergoing exiled to services island and all of that is really funny and kind of up. It was just like a long good examination of Sursee as a character which we've never really seen so it was groundbreaking work. I love love books. Like that. Where we're sort of takes this especially female characters we're characters who've been villain really flatly in another. Yeah Yeah exactly. Villain is treated like their dynamism reason they'd be villain like this is a weird example but like sent. I thought was really good. I was not expecting to like it. And my partner very stone to like looking through things and we're like let's try it Angelina. Jolie's a babe and it was great. I really enjoyed it so yeah I mean. I think that that sounds really great. I'm going to have to read that for sure. Yeah it's great and I believe that Anthony. All of your brought up. Not only that. He really enjoyed this book. But the there is a prequel to this. That's called Song of Achilles. I am currently have a weightless on the library's copy of an audio book on it. I think I'm like number ninety years eligible. No whenever I get there forty three years when it's my turn. I have another book. I WanNa talk about after you talk about one. Yeah so I am reading a book that I have been like dying to read so I went through a kick where I was like. I read a lot of fantasy and I got really into it and I love fantasy written by people who are not white men. Why wonder because it's good and I'm not gonNA qualify that statement. You're good. I was like fuck that. We just talked about tiger so just like players. We've been too nice. We've been too reserved without condemnations. So I read this Cameron Hurley Trilogy. It was called. It's called the world breaker saga and I read the first two books in like a week because I was just like Holy Shit and then I was like all right book three. I'm GonNa go find it you. It's got to the library and I. It was the first time I had read a fantasy trilogy wear. I caught up with the book so the book wasn't out yet. I thought it was and it wasn't. I was devastated. It'd be like two or three years since I just got the copy in in January. Got An art copy and it is so good. I've been reading some of Hurley's writing as she's been getting ready for this to be released and the book is a huge sweeping epic narrative. And it's a little bit sci fi and a lot of high fantasy so it's about parallel dimensions about how one dimension starts colonizing another basically because of global climate crisis their version of global climate crisis and it is so fascinating. The setting is really cool at their semi sentient trees. And so I love a book where the environment is part of the problem you know. And so the trees hunt people and there's a bone trees that are like I'm not quite clear how they exist but they eat things and then they use their bones to build themselves. It is terrifying. It is so good. There's tons of cool email characters. There's a bunch of different non binary characters one of the strengths of it is that Hurley. Ask yourself if we're to really take people being binary seriously. We really need to take it seriously. And so she has like four or five different societies in this one dimension that each have different ways of looking agenda one of them is binary one. It has three options. One has five options. There's a character who literally as they live. They change gender so they might be he for most of a book and then be she for awhile in the be they for a while and they literally their body changes to fit that. So I think it's just so ambitious and it's hard to write a book like that big and there's so many different perspectives and so many different characters and I was sort of the first chapter when I got back into this because it's been a couple of years I was like man who's what who's what. Oh and then it just clicked back together because again I think Hurley's just incredible and it's really cool to is you know. She had one way. The story was GonNa go to actually was supposed to come out last year and didn't come out until this year and you know I'm not one of the people who's like Damn you give me my book. I get why some people get excited in tenth. She really retooled him and she was like. I don't want to write a book. That's about as pessimistic. Says nothing's worth anything and nihilist and like everything is going to end. She said I want to read a book about hope. And what happens when the world ends? And you're still here so it's been kind of trippy. I'm not quite done with it but like finishing it up in a time. That's kind of world Andy. Evan trying to work in like an essay about what is it like to read a book about a hopeful end of the world. The world is kind of ending and gets not hopeful but like maybe you could do something productive in the next phase. I don't know it's just been such a fun adventure to your back to these characters and be like. Oh Hi Luna. Hey good you see them be like assholes be great or whatever it's been just so much fun yeah it sounds really good. That sounds awesome. It's epic what was another one. You had I just realized how bleak they are. Actually I was reading the Third Rainbow Girl which is story about women that were murdered in the eighty s on their way to the rainbow gathering and it is really devastating. It's an interesting study of the place though as well so it's a true crime book obviously and it's about unsolved murder so that's difficult fucking Christ to deal with. I don't really do light reading. I don't know what to tell people I I think it's the best kind of True Crime Book Right. Where delves into the people around in the people who are affected by the situation that happens? You know I'm the girls lives how they got there like all of that stuff. You know all the stuff that's actually really important about these cases like we don't really give a shit about the murder anyway so great But that is a just kind of devastating book and I also am reading a book. That's called the history of concentration camps the global history of concentration camps. Which is you love to keep it. Light Good God. You know that'll tell you pretty much what that book is and just on the title. It is very very upsetting but everything has some kind of hopefulness to it. It's like if you learn more about it. Maybe you can stop it. You know that kind of stuff. Finally I just WANNA safer things. That are actually kind of improving. Unlike the reading that I do which is almost always very bleak as I just noted. I listened to the no sleep. Podcast a lot which is just a horror podcasts. The I find to be really entertaining for the most part and I watch this movie. That was called knives and skin. Which is kind of a inversion of the dead girl? Trope where it's sort of twin peaks ish but it's by a woman you know so it's kind of better to the women characters which is kind of the twin peaks that I've been looking for for a while And of course I don't want anybody to come and yell at me and tell me about like there's great powerful female characters. I know but terrible things happen to them. You know like and I know that terrible things happen to them to whatever you don't have to see it is Bums me out. I don't know but I have some skin was kind of for me. You know the girls still dies. The character behind the dead girl trope in this does die. But it's you know what's the fallout for a lot of the women in the community so I think that that's a beautiful study and there's a lot of beautiful acapella singing so ooh that sounds really fun. I was gorgeous love that I also. There are three sort of comic collections that. I have read that. I've been loving slash graphic novel so I read Vida Allah and Emily Pearson's The wilds. Which I know we made a comic of the week at some point but like I can't talk about it enough. What a fun story again. Dark right and the world zombies all that jazz but it's so exciting and hopeful an interesting such a good twist on zombies. I found it really like I just enjoyed thinking about it like I just ruminate on that that story all the time. Now think about it and I'm like well that's so good so much. The other one is blood in Bonnets by Emily McGovern which I have found just so the antithesis of the world and exactly what I need right. Now it's basically like pride and prejudice and zombies but it's a comic and it's told with vampires instead of zombies. There's a character who really reminds me of you. Sarah especially once I read that fabrics wrote about Youth Lesbian Vampire. I forgot about that fan fiction that somebody wrote about me so good Sarah Vaughan Century so funny does a Josh unruh and Sir Daniel Swanson wrote that and I believe that is available. Yeah they have a patriot. They do pulp stories and that one is so funny. Oh my God. I was like I can see Sarah doing all of this. So maybe that's why I thought of and Blah Blah Blah his character. Who's like a vampire lesbian? She's like hey meet me later and the main characters like I shouldn't do that right I'm going to I'm going to. I'm going to meet her and then I'm GonNa read you a little bit from the back of this because I think it is perfect. Bloodless and Bonnets follows the clueless debutante Lucy. I don't agree that she's clueless. She's pretty bad ass. Though Ruthless Bounty Hunter Shannon Love Sham and the exuberant poet Lord Byron as they flirt bicker and slash their way through early nineteenth century Britain in pursuit of notorious Vampire Lady Violet Travesty Aka Sarah Von Century so fun. It's it's violent. Travesty is my favorite man. Oh my God I wish i. It rhymes with Sarah Century. So already off to a good start but also. Why didn't I change my name to that? That's like a great name. Yes it is just too perfect. I've really really enjoyed it. It's been like a taking a break from things you know laughing about. Nineteen th century English People Fighting Vampires Sham Lord Byron or like Berbar Bad and Lucy's like are they because they seem pretty sexy to me so I enter that troop and I've just really been enjoying that book so we thanks for asking us about what we're reading. We really enjoy talking about it. Yeah they're all pretty fun books except for the ones that I said which are very very depressing very upsetting but will teach you a lot. You can still buy a subscription to decode it for only fifteen dollars. You get a story day for every day of pride month. That means every day in June. You are getting a story from a Queer Creator about Queer things defined broadly people in their own voices making awesome science fiction fantasy horror and comics. Yeah that's sounds really cool. I'm excited to be a part of it and we're excited to bring it to you. In June. Go check out our website to coded PRIDE DOT COM and via subscription today. Comic of the week is Captain Marvel from Twenty nineteen written by Kelly Thompson. Art by Carmen Carnero colors by Tamra on d'alene letters by Leighton towels. This comics good. This is ridiculously good so good. I love it. I Love the art. I loved a story. I really liked the covers. I don't know is there anything I don't like about it? I A does the covers for the first stint. I was just looking up. Who Does the covers? It's the greet one who we've talked about many times and Paul mounts the later. The covers are less good. These ones are really good. I love the first arc and anything. That's Amanda Conner. Are That means that you have that really dynamic art style that draws your is immediately so I always love to see her on covers. Of course let's textural and it's so exactly Rabs you it's like. This is so incredible. The interior are as you said is brilliant. It's really good at doing character expressions and faces and things while showing this epic scale behind it. So that's always something that's really interesting. You see a lot of these leg touch base. You know human interaction moments but the way that she does is instead of doing just talking heads are a close up on. The faces is usually. You'll see like this drawback and see what is going on behind them kind of situation while they're just chatting with each other and that's a really effective storytelling methods. So I'm sure that that has to do with the script but the way that is pulled off here is really good and the artist absolutely meets that challenge again and again I get where we have to recapitulate origin stories. Especially when we're reclaiming them as feminists and as queer writers to be like okay. That's not what happened. This is what happened. I get that but this isn't do a lot of that like we. Don't really get any backstory on Carol. They're like the movie out. Come on you get the point. She just kind of building on Kelly. Pseudo Connex exact I to me I feel like you know there was runs in between these two but I think that she's done a really good job of just doing a continuation of Kelsey conic. Also Kelly thompsons. I work at Marvel was on the Carol core series. That was so cute which was written with Kelly pseudo connex so kind of a history with the character kind of returning to the has been really interesting for me just as somebody who really liked that original miniseries to watch agreed. Yeah I loved Carol Core. I loved the Kelly. Seekonk run on captain. Marvel I think I have like if not all of the Trade Paperback Damn. Near and I think that you're right. This totally isn't that lineage. Picks up where Casey left it but also is lake so refreshingly lake. Let's just tell the story in the present? Let's just stay in the story and I think that that really pays off the for story arc. There's an island where none of the male heroes can get on the island but so cap. Tomorrow's like vogue it. I'll go boo. Does that before she knows the men camp but you get the point and then it turns out times moving differently on that island and so it's been the hours since people have been able to get in but it's been weeks months. I can't remember on the island. And during that time. This sort of like delist. Villain nuclear man has like created his own little post apocalyptic. Hell scape where he has taken all the men and turn them into like his minions in suits and then all the women are like freaked out like fuck you got to fight these guys and fighting so when I I think that's important background because when you're talking about them having these emotional conversations or even just like interpersonal as. She hoped nice to see you. Those things are against the backdrop of machines that have exploded. And just the decay of apocalyptic wasteland. And so you get this really cool contrast between foreground and background really cool contrast between the resilience and strength of the women against like this dominant will of this misogynist. I just what's not to love? And he is essentially the Stanton for all of the comic skaters and people who are just kind of Shitty fans you know being like. Oh woman you know he actually directly says some of the stuff people were saying about the Captain Marvel movie and stuff. So you can see that. There's definitely kind of. Meta textual presence there. She's kind of making them collectively into this kind of buffoon. Carol Denver's just gets to beat the crap out of and of course he's through the whole thing betraying his secret attraction to her and stuff like that so I think that all of that was pretty interesting and gave her a lot of room to be able to be like. Oh we're going to use this guy as a punching bag it's GonNa be fun. It's so satisfying. It doesn't have to be anything beyond that. But also importantly it is beyond that. Because you know she establishes a crew of women in the how defeat this guy. Which is you know something that we've seen a lot of times recently but it's also deserves repeating like team up with a bunch of women knock this guy out of power. It's kind of obvious solution. Absolutely the broad strokes of it within that they're so many deeply powerful moments between characters like at one point she hogan has matt are connecting and they both their powers are not working on the island and she is like. I've really been feeling my powers have dominated my life lately and it's been kind of a relief not to have him here and has matt's like yes same. I'm really glad I'm not just destroying everyone. Around me with a noxious gas at all times. And then they both get their powers back and they know they're going to say right before it happens there connecting having this conversation and they're like but that's the way things are and be who. I need to be when I have my powers pack so you get this little mentor relationship in just three five panels. Max I mean even one panel. I can't remember exactly but it was so potent and it was so incredible to see as a comic lover. I love anytime older. Comic characters are reaching out to newer younger ones connecting with my love. Captain Marvel Miss Marbles relationship adorable and I think that this was again. She helped him has met. Had this incredible moment. That was like something. We don't always talk about heroes like. Yeah fucking sucks. Yeah I think to that later has met. Has that moment with Carol. That's really interesting. This is later in the series. Carol goes you know I'm so sorry I'm being such a terrible mentor to you and has met his like. Are you serious everything you've been doing? You're in a terrible position. You're doing everything you can to protect the people around you and you. I mean that sets the best example possible lake. I don't want to be squishy but I WANNA say you know you're doing a good job. I'll be happy if I becoming hero like you someday and carols like well right because that's like Carol. This is constantly. I'm not doing enough. I'm failing she's literally the most powerful being that we have and how she she constantly feels like she's not doing enough and she's constantly holding herself back. I think of careless someone who's constantly torn between worlds and experiences and I think that that's what makes her so dynamic and fascinating. Always absolutely as I felt like Carol Jess was so strong in this. Yeah I wanted to add one note. Which is that something that is extremely important about looking at Carroll is. She's also very very confident person so seeing that kind of merge of ing torn being confident being able to do things being capable your anxieties and your lack of confidence in some respects aren't erased. She feels like her human side suffers right and I love it. Think a lot of us feel a lot of women who I think. Work really hard and have to do a lot of work of many different kinds. You can start to feel sort of burdened by that to the point where you wonder if you are still connecting with humans. In the way that you're supposed to so I think that seeing that kind of reflected here was really interesting. That's a good point Sara. I love that. It's like her internal conflict. No way makes her weaker and it makes her no less decisive and it makes no less of a leader. I mean when she gets there. Everyone's like Oh thank fucking God please. Please take over. You know we need to see you punch nuclear man in the face right now. I mentioned Carol Jess and that's the ship between Carol and Jessica Drew Spider Woman This very long standing ship. The started even back in the late. Seventy s totally. I mean they clearly have just an incredible chemistry. They're funny together. I love the justice constantly. Like come on. Take yourself a little bit lighter Like it's going to be okay and then also has own deep resonances around like I have a kid. My stakes are really high all the time because I have a child and this person needs me and I think that Carol. We made fun of with Stephanie Williams. We made fun of the fact that Carol Owes Child Support in the movie. And I feel like it's almost like that here we're carols also like this also my kid This is something that I have to have to help. Just get there and like it is my responsibility to everything's fucking carols responsibility you know. She's like I'm the boss a space. I'm the Buzzer Earth. The boss of these people. I am responsible for everything. So they're dynamic is so sweet when they come out the Joe we both go to men. I was like well. We're weird. How Weird. Why are you doing that? Yeah no it doesn't make any sense. It's so weird to watch them. Connect so profoundly and so consistently in a way. That isn't necessarily friendship right. Like we all have a really close friendships. But there's a difference between your friendships. It's not lesser. It's not greater but there's a difference between now you treat your partners and how you treat your friends and again and again with Jason Carroll. These are lesbian. Mom's leg they literally are lesbian. Moms but okay you know whatever. I guess. We're just going to do this thing instead. Why is is jumping into be the mom of these kids and then we still end up with straight carol for some reason got it. Whatever so like there's this scene to that I loved between them where all this between them in this comic all really good and they don't disrespect the bond between them which I think is the most important thing you know if we're not going to have the ship be confirmed or denied. I guess we're just going to deal with the fact that lake honestly they have a very tender and real relationship in this regardless of how we view it and something that was so great was Never Jessica is like urging her to get yourself checked out. She's like I think you're having some issues and maybe you should go get yourself checked out and she just kind of consistently brings it up again and again and again. There's that scene where she keeps trying to her and to going to the doctor and actually getting checked out for some reason the chance up going to Tony Stark. Her and Tony Stark. Have this kind of adversarial relationship so they just kind of keep exchanging barbs wall. Captain Marvel is on the table waiting to be checked out. And there's just a senior she just keeps being like well and like adding and getting the last word in all of the time and then the spiderwoman looks at her just with the most loving smile in just like Carol. Please shut up. And it's just so adorable because she needs to tell her to shut up definitely in that moment but also she's telling her how much she loves her. You know at the same time. Yes it's how you say I love you too. Words shut up. It's pretty beautiful so I loved that I love their relationship through this entire thing. And it's kind of one of the strongest parts of the book. Yeah for sure for sure I mean I think I would say female friendships are and you know with an asterisk for carriages. Are Absolutely the strength of this work and so many depictions of strong women in comics in others genres in anything. It's the soul strong woman. There's one strong usually white usually straight women to save us all and it's nice win. Comics aren't like that when you can see many different kinds of women who are strong in many different kinds of ways who are from different ethnic backgrounds who have different relationships so gender and sexuality like it's so nice to see that an end to be like. Wow these are really great. Heroes like they're really really cool. I love it. I think it's great I currently. We're on the last of injure story. I think they probably by the time goes up that all of wrapped or will it industry who knows uddhav but yeah it's been really interesting I've loved this book. I thought it was great. I also wrote an article about it for Seifan Girls. Just because I think it's such a good continuation. Think it's easy for people to fall off of the comic. Sometimes because they go Kelly C. To Connex run was great. And it's like absolutely. Here's some other great comments that we're coming out right now. That are very important to keep buying. Because they're all great. I mean Kelly Thompson is just kicking. Ask I mean she has a great run on Deadpool? Happening that is just so good. It's like peak deadpool to me like love it and I'm really happy with her work and I think she really cares about all the continuity lineage of heroes of these stories and making them fresh and making them like you were saying Meta textual and so we're constantly commenting on the world of comics on the world of superheroes wile really telling these super compelling stories about superheroes and I just love it. I agree really fun. Thundering mirror podcast. That is all about making comic books more accessible to Lgbtq folks and women so if you have a question about anything related to comics comic adaptations pop culture. General Conventions cost play new name it. That's what we're here for. You can send us your questions at bitches on comics at gmail.com. Unfortunately Jima does not like the word bitch. 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Episode 34.0: The longevity of grief

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Episode 34.0: The longevity of grief

"The on Comics your host Sarah Century. I'm your host wait a minute. I'm Sarah Century. So we have a question from this dumb rumpus on twitter. Who's PODCAST IS ARTIFACTS OF INFINITY? Yes artifacts Infiniti go. Check it out. So this rumpus says just finished the fringing episode loved it? Thank you so much. Can you think of a story or a few stories where women character is killed and other characters react but it isn't frigging like a quote unquote how to handle character death? Well kind of thing. This is a surprisingly difficult question. Absolutely because even when they're death is handled. Well there's problems too. We were just talking pretty recently. About crisis on infinite earths and how sexualize supergirl looks in her desi and even though it is this incredibly powerful moment beautiful and just so impactful scene but it also has kind of a visual element to it. We're like really so. I think that there's one though was the first one that comes to mind for you for me. It's actually from Bitch Planet and it is make Hautmaki. Oh yeah he's killed at the end of like the first arc and it is devastating. Yeah it is unexpected. And it's like a really important moment in the story line because it's what really defines what's wrong in this society. It's like they think for this moment. That if they play Meta tron they will be able to earn their freedom. I not convinced this is rigged and then they figure out how to make it fair quote unquote and then. Her neck is snapped on the field by guard right from the opposite team. And it's just they freak out and of course of course and it's just so devastating the characters all react with such violent emotions and reactions. Of course they would. Of course they would. And you really feel the anguish. And that's what Bitch Planet is about. Which Planet is about how women particularly Asian women particularly Black Women? How their bodies are commodified? And how Trans? People are treated in this society that believes in a binary where women are submissive to men. And it's meant to be painful and it's meant to be a reckoning. I really firmly see it as a reckoning on behalf of the conic with Caprivi Age white women do horrible things in bitch play. They do horrible things to other white women of color. It's terrible this happened to also because Mako was determined to play Meta tron. They didn't want to put her on the team because she's tiny right and so many turns about wait so you can have a certain number of players on the field but based on their weight and so make could be on the field at the same time as penny role and penny role is huge awesome. Oh I live by your own my heart and so they have make. Ob Super Fast and penny could take a bunch of guards and so make Oh decides to be on the tape make. I am how you win. I am how we get off this fucking horrible planet. And so she's in control of her fate right and so though her death is tragic and proof of how brutal this world is. It is based on a decision. She made yeah until there's a triumph too. Yes and into me like a real important aspect is did. The character make the decisions that lead to their right. I think the defining feature of frigging Alexandra dewitt is not a character who makes decisions right. She is used as a prop to motivate green lantern. Mako Machi is not killed to motivate anybody. Right it's a de motivator. If anything they are so depressed afterwards what are we like? Oh my God yeah and I think I felt right which is a big thing with the biggest problem with fringing. Its own now. He's sad for three issues but then he's over it and it doesn't matter. Yeah soon as he defeats the villain. He's back to normal and getting someone else and it's like what. Yeah Yeah Yeah. That's what sucks about it so bad so I would say our friends the good the bad and the basic podcast had up a few times that Joyce Summers on buffy that her death was handled really. Well I agree with that. That episode is devastating devastating. They do such a great job. At withholding a lot of the lake sound they would usually put to make the show funnier or softer or or thrilling. And so there's just a lot of broken heartedness. Yeah in a really tender way and it's something that's going to continue to affect these characters for the rest of the series. Yes so that's something that's really important about it. Too Right is the longevity of grief. You don't see a lot of that. We have character deaths that occur incoming so they can just bring people back and show. Sometimes they can do that too but it's not even just the bringing it back. That's the most problematic is the fact that it doesn't matter that they left that they died. These big things happened and people just kind of get over. Yeah well and I think that's an interesting thing for a show that has killed its protagonist twice right like death is a very common companion in buffy right but then Joyce's death given so much weight right. I do love. The buffets deaths are always giving consequence right. Because she's Australia so the something has to happen but I really think the way they handled. Joyce and I love. The buffy tried to find even when Joyce got sick you know. Buffy tried to find supernatural reasons. Because you wanted something. She could fight so she could protect her mom. You know that that's feels like such a humanizing moment for buffy but it's like Joyce doesn't get sick because of buffy right Joyce's sick because she has a brain tumor and it's totally irreversible. There's nothing that buffy can do it just as final incomplete and done the office of terrorist with new reason completely meaningless like disconnected from who? She was as a character. She Warren like nothing. Never know and it's her first night back in her home on my like it. Just the layers of horrible that that death is. I think the Joyce's is allowed to be again like tender. Yeah the other one that I thought of because I think that it's a pretty good example. Also from TV is killjoys potter potter. Is this significant female character. Who is a poor little rich girl kind of character? And she really does like figure out who she is in the course of her storyline and she decides to use her privilege to help the people on this planet of minors and as she's like sitting down to sign this document with this other powerful woman she signs it and then the woman stabbed her and kills her and it's because she put herself on the line they know she's capable of murder at this point she has killed people and it sucks it sucks. It totally sucks from Potter is. I think. It should suck. When a character dies it should really just suck. It sucks when people die it sucks. It's just like heart of life but it sucks. I hate when it's treated so lightly. And I think in the Solo Movie Val dies and her husband her companion for business parter. Her friend is like well guess. Go on another highest it. Everything about the story about the character all of that and I think in every way that's truly potter's The opposite as Joyce as is again make Hautmaki Bitch Planet. You had another example. I think in the X men's inferno series that whole time period. They had to this and that story was Ileana. Rasputin who's going to be in the new mutants movie. That's magic so ill Janas whole arc was just awful. She is with her brother Colossus. They are on a pretty standard X. Men mission she gets pulled into limbo dimension which is essentially held by a creepy older. Dude named Velasco. She watches the X. Men Either die or become transformed by the evil of Limbo. So Kitty pryde is there. She becomes actually very catlike 'cause she grows detail and she is vicious Ileana despite how much she loved Ileana because to her ill Janas just this relic of who she used to be. Basically and she can't live with that and so her and Ileana have this incredibly complicated relationship where Ileana wants to see her as her best friend. But Limbo has changed Kitty. Pryde and may be this terrible creature and it does it to everybody there except for storm who becomes like a wizard also exception yes. So storm helps raise Liana and train her but Balasko eventually kills storm and ends up with magic and so magic is just abused really badly and gaslight and terrorized by this guy who's essentially king of limbo or whatever and whenever she gets back to the six one six her regular world she is fourteen years old they just saw her and she was six and nobody knows really what happened to her there and she doesn't talk about it but everybody sees that there's this new kind of demonic energy around her so her story just goes along and along whereas basically her being kind of inside and having these like evil motivations and things like she also was twisted by limbo and having to rein in because she loves her friends so much and that's a lot of what her arc in new mutants is so once we make it to inferno that's whenever limbo comes to earth right. There's there's literally toasters that come alive. And people just demon toasters and couches and her fate so fun and all of the appliances like refrigerators with faces on them. Come after people and it's so fun but that trump so much how appliances come alive in comics especially just so so good but that is amazing and that whole story is great because Ileana has this arc where she just goes and does things that are questionable and she feels like she's always losing control of herself a little bit to her darker side or the dark child the sword all of that but she in the end chooses to be good to sacrifice herself that is why she goes right and that's the end of her story effectively for a really long time. She eventually comes back of course but she's turned into a child again and then she dies of the legacy virus and she's dead for a really long time she comes back eventually. It doesn't get better for a really time. But she does the right thing. And it's she chooses her friends and she chooses to fight for things that she believes. And I think that that was very important and it happened. Alongside Madeline prior's death and metal in prior is like a clone of Jean Grey. Cyclops married whenever Jean grave was at the bottom. No He's Iraq. But he's Super Ereck to Madeleine leaves her. He walks right out on her and she's a kid cable. Hughes later to become cable you causes that whole situation. So Madeleine has all of the reasons to become media of the X. men and she becomes media of the X. Men. She tries to kill her own child and tries to kill all of the x men and she becomes the Goblin Queen and as bad as she has like costume right. Oh God it's a bonkers costume. It has a lot of undue happening and the other day I was thinking about home. More people should 'cause Goblin Queen and Goblin prints because Golden Queen has his outfit. Where you're like. That's kind of sexist people like what's going on. But then her boo of the time. Have Ig where's the same outfit? So he's wearing tiny little brief in like all of that so it's funny because it's like at the beginning. God that's really sexist. I wonder why she's wearing that and then have it comes out of the bedroom wearing the same thing like ready to approaches day. You know and just go through life dressed as the Goblin friends about it but I was like. I really wish that people would cause play those two more and then I remembered all of the reasons why you would never do that. For instance if you have a child at all you probably don't WanNa cause play as Madeleine prior. That would probably send a wrong message to a lot of people. So that'll in in the very end ends up. Basically getting merged with Jean Grey's consciousness so what that is is the Phoenix Madeline gene or three different entities and the way the madeline is defeated is basically Jean being like get in here you and they merged consciousness kids here know. I share a body with the clone of me and we are kind of three. Yeah they have all of the same memories now so even though gene is an either of those people they have the same memories which is weird. Because there's a bunch of weird things that that means that gene. Hastert remember for instance. She has to remember having sex with topic so shirt. That's her husband's brother. Madeleine did it. So she has the memory. Now it's pretty amazing care sharing a body. I'm like yes I am in I am in. I am in more of this please. Yes that whole thing. Basically gets dropped as a plot point. But I think that if you were GonNA end Madeleine story doing it in a way that or zas gene to access her compassion and to share space instead of pushing it away I think is the it's the most jeetan slash madeline conclusion that that story could have and I feel like she had an arc as much as I Miss Madeline and I always kind of wanted her to stick around and I think that her Scott actually had a really interesting and healthy dynamic between themselves before Scott went over did his Scott stuff. You guys Iraq but yeah. I don't know I think inferno handled. It's does that kind of had to happen for the stories to move in a different place. I think they did. Excellent with both of those does amazing. I WanNa hear as like an artist. Sarah how do you handle death in your work? I don't usually kill characters in anything. I write a lot of horror but I don't kill characters because to me. Death isn't the thing that's like the scariest. I mean because death effectively is the end of that story right but then the stories of other people continue and sometimes there's something really interesting about that but my relationship with death has always been kind of an interesting one. I think that I tried to view it as positively as I can you know and I just I don't know it affects me in a different way like loss. I think is a long term thing so most of the time I just kind of avoid it because to me is the easiest thing to do to elicit a response from somebody and I just don't know that I've ever had it be that pressing a character. I'd you know I wrote that story in like the new flasher whatever which was basically a mother's body growing around a room Instead of death like I try to do stuff. That's weirder and I guess it's just I don't WanNa right about death that much. Yeah Yeah you know that's interesting. I think likewise I'm like that's not the most interesting thing to me sometimes grief. I think there's there's like a lot of absence like parental generation stories. Because that's also my story. I think grief in that way that is sustained so I'll have a character who misses a character from a longtime ago. Who passed away because to me whenever I lose people. You don't lose them all at the same time. And it was kind of wood so heartbreaking about it raise you have that gradual long process of loss of further laws like you. Don't just lose once. It's an ongoing loss process in ongoing grieving process. So I think it gets interesting as a creative point morally. I'm also just like people should just have to live with their decision. So kind of yeah. Try to force people to have to live out their full story. I Guess Yeah. Leave things open ended. I don't always want to make definitive death. Yeah I never have the story about like an assassin. It's essentially about like the assassin conscience and like realizing all the things she justified for her whole life for like you can't justify that and I don't know whatever it's enjoyable but I think the I don't like when death is treated super lightly. No and I think that every death I've experienced in she usually significant in my life and I think that like we have a cultural. It's really uncomfortable with grief. I think like that's what I prefer to spend my time portraying the grieving process if anything is like how how we grow through that. And how do we grapple with the loss of someone we love? It takes time for me whenever I I lose any person or creature that I hold valuable. I guess which would be most creatures. I have to think about it for a while and I have to sit with it before I ever actually have a full reaction a pointed out like twice now. That grieving is a long process. Like it's your whole life a and I think that if you're someone who's not lost someone I think that in general society wants people to believe that you just Kinda like move on And I have like a very firm believer that you never actually move on you. You learn to live with it. Yeah like I. The loss of my father was fucking horrible and I could totally had but I also like have learned to like remember the really amazing things about who that person was to me and to hold the complicated parts to like you know all the ways that it was just really fucked up my child you know so. I think it's I think when when stories oversimplify trauma relief these really complex human experiences. It just cheapens it for me like across the board suddenly like Your Romance Means Shit to me right now if you can't if you're gonNA include death and not include grief like you don't get anything like this has to be more weighty than that you know like the reason I liked. The Potter story from killjoys is like her boyfriend. Aaron Ashmore like that defines him for the rest of his life. It doesn't motivate him it. Actually Getting D. motivates him becomes very despondent and his friends like start to move on because again they're layer removed from the death so they have a different grieving experience. And he's like fuck. I can't handle this and that took like okay. Great and then like three seasons later. He's still fucking broken up about it and I'm like thank you. That is what life is. It is difficult Yeah it's There's more to a. I think than we see ally and stories and I don't know to me that's more interesting. I guess you're here This week coming of the week is human star by Blue Della quantity volume to. Yes I love. Oh Human Star. I started reading a human star when I was so humans are a web comic and it has been collected two trade paperback volumes. The only one I could find for sale was volume. Two VOLUME ONE IS OUT OF PRINT. And everybody's snapped up a volume so if you volume one you lucky duck. It is so good I love. Oh Human Star. I found it because I was writing an article about kick ass. Lgbtq plus parents in science fiction and fantasy. And I found a human stars googling and looking around and it is such a delightful and fun story. It's about two characters who are lovers two men who invent and then one of them dies and then his partner brings him in a robot body which is like pretty fucking cute and they like start trying to figure out there queer thing again which is really fun and then they have a android daughter who is trans. She was created to be like the inventor who passed away. So Alastair is the Dow Jones call him DADS is the data who invents a and then passes away and then comes back as like an android and his partner Brendan. Is this sort of ideas man. But allister's who actually figured out how may I should work. It is a super sweet story. It's a lot of talking heads but it is about clearness. It's about being in the closet. It's about coming out of the closet. It's also about trans identities. Because their daughter Sela was created by Brendan actually to look exactly like Alastair but then as she came into her own self she was like. That's not who I am. I am a woman and my name is Sola and I think it's a huge testament. That Brandon's like okay. That's who you are. I love you you you and then Alastair comes back to life. This kid has been alive for a while. Just being raised by Brendan and he's like. Oh so you were made after me. But you're Oh okay. That's who you are yourself and it's very very cool to see these. These Queer DADS who grapple with their own identities and also grapple with their kiddos identity and always come out the better for it and come out on the positive side of things which is not to say. There isn't conflict is just that they they find these really powerful ways to work through it. Then I think is really intriguing. Yeah I mean there's definitely conflict. I think that Brendan pushes a little bit. Too hard in certain parts of it. Because you know that's part of the thing is Alistair back in. The day was afraid of coming out of the closet. And then in the current day turns out that resurrecting him via android doesn't mean that he got over his fears. I Guess Yeah. He's still him right. He's not like a new person really. But that's what Brandon wanted. And so you know. I felt like that was a little unfair of Brendan. But I think that it's an interesting conversation to have and it's definitely one that the way that it plays out you know is telling a story. I thought that was very interesting to watch. Brendan's reactions to that and then to be like well I brought you back because of this and this and this and it's just like oh so now there's conditions for the things you did like. I mean I think that in certain points I was like Brennan. You need to step back a little bit but at the same time you know. That's true sometimes of us in relationships right like sometimes we'll catch ourselves and be like you know. I'm really pushing this person too hard or something so I thought that that was interesting and then of course you know he does have a point in a lot of ways because he is just like. We just went through this. You literally died and now you know you. You're still afraid to like. Hold my hand all of that stuff. I think that's one of the most interesting tensions for them. Right Brendan is now old. He's lived through all of us. He's older he's like you've been gone. I've been okay with being queer. My own and the he also was more okay with his identity. Even before Alastair passes away I just love it. I love it all. It manages to be so Seifi and so domestic. So like about these internal what I think of smaller conversations but the stakes are still super high. And it's still full of just humans trying to figure out how to be together and love each other when the world is is not perfect and neither are they right. I just I love it. I Love the art I think. The artists super super distinct. It definitely feels like blue della quantities art and I think it has just really good facial expressions which I frequently bring up because I I always think facial expressions are really hard to get right in my opinion. And when you do it's just like last chef's. Kiss I love it so much and I think it's clever that deliquency uses different shades to communicate if we're talking about the back story or the presence story and so the back stories and like an orange shades Palette and then the present story isn't a blue shades Palette yes That for me was confusing in the beginning. Because I once again didn't read the first volume so I didn't have that established for me and so that was a little off putting but then once I figured it out I was like oh it makes perfect sense. I was just like why is it? Is it day tonight or like totally figure it out and then I was like. Oh it's like past to present. I get it now great volume two. I as well then. I went back and read the web from the beginning. I love all the characters. I think they're really rich. One of my favorite characters is Lucille via Santos. She is an entrepreneur in the Pacific limbs. Business. She has a prosthetic limb as well. I think maybe more than one and it's really cool that she and Brennan have this really nice relationship. They support each other. They challenge each other and they just really be scientists and nerds together which is pretty cute to see if she just like nerds out so hard. It's so endearing you know those were some of the best parts of the book. I mean it's all about the human relationships between all of these people and you know the heart behind every thing that they say so. It is a really good book. I think I was mentioning before we were recording. I saw this for the first. Few pages was just kind of. Oh is this entire comic. Just going to be talking heads. I don't know if I can handle that right now and it was just kind of checking out like almost immediately so. I think that it's a testament to how actually good this book is that it pulled me back in so hard because yeah I was just kind of being a Pumpkin just being like I don't WanNa read a bunch of people talking for like ninety pages or whatever you like cursing my neighbor because I'm such a comic ner comic. Nb leg even if I'm kind of mad while I'm reading I will still read it and be like in some ways. That was good. You know always think of something good to say but I will resent a a little bit but this one I mean you know. There's nothing to resent. It got so interesting as I was reading so yeah as I said just being something that I kind of quickly was trying to like right off and be like all right. How am I going to put a positive spin on this or something? It kinda turned into lake. Oh this is discussing a lot of the things that I have questions about when i read stories like this. Yeah no this is actually the comic. That is filling in the blanks for a lot of other stories. And it's doing it. By focusing on queer characters and queer issues but in this broader a Sci. Fi kind of way and I thought that all of that was just fascinating. So it went. From with a and how grapples clearness and how it uses one to like. Play off of the other like. I thought that was really really clever. Oh yeah it's super clever. I mean that was kind of the thing and also you just see how much they truly truly love their kid. You know you see how much they love each other. Even though it's hard and like all of that kind of stuff that we really just don't get to see very much you know we have parents you know. Queer parents like Apollo midnight or where? You're just kind of like all right but this is still mostly a superhero story. Mostly two dads trying to relate to each other and also this broader sci-fi context that is going on that kind of allows to have a deeper philosophical questions. So yeah I mean. This is a really brilliant comic. I thought that it was very well done. Absolutely you can still catch volume two trade paperback or you can go with no age. It's just the letter. O Human Star Dot Com is his blue del. Conte's own human star. It is a delightful meditation on what it means to be alive. Who GETS TO BE HUMAN ARE THE ANDREWS PEOPLE? It is really really fun. And it's in hyper queer setting which to me is always like thank you. Very Much. Comics is the love of my life. I loved this podcast so much. I will be still doing this. 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What was your favorite thing about the comic? I think my there's so many layers The cat I really really liked the kitty in it I thought the panels were used cleverly and the way that panels were sort of broken or shifted or took up a different amount of space than like the normal spread. I thought looked really really dope but my very favorite part and I'm not great with names of characters. I think maybe her name is tiger. But it's a female character who is being someone whose cat calling her and the way that she deals with street harassment is like aspirational. I wish I could just be like her. And snap my fingers and be automotive. And it's like so cute to see that rendered you know that scene where all of the flesh and organs are ripped from the skeleton and it's just a panel just like. Oh that isn't really good panel. I mean he definitely was a hard character to like one page so considering the fact that that's true I didn't really feel very bad thinking that it was okay for him to have his flesh ripped from his bones absolutely and it looked cool. It looked very metal. This is like it was one of the gothic comics. I've ever read in my life. Yes as just you know. Total quiet goth protagonists guy. Who's studying trying to work on his thesis and like all interested in mythology and all of that stuff and then by night he goes to Lake Goth clubs and dances and has fun with a lot of other guys and they do things like Bow House Karaoke and to me that is all what takes precedence. There's the idea of him and these demands and at CETERA ET CETERA. Is Way more of a subplot in this comic because a lot of it is just kind of the interactions between characters? Even whenever you he's talking to like a aware wolf or whatever it's still about the interaction between them and like the dialogue between them more than I think it's about whatever else is going on and they have these kind of broken down human moments you know where all of this bonkers stuff is happening. And he'll be like all of this stuff is happening and then somebody just goes. Hey let's just have a drink about a goth guy and like and so and yeah you know. He's really interesting as a character. I think is cool. Whenever there's a guy who gets really jealous of his girlfriend dancing with some other guy or whatever and his response. The protagonist response to admittedly removed from the situation is definitely not to like slut. Shame her at all and just to be like well. We're not really here for drama. So I don't care good like somebody who's trying to kind of slut shamed her to him. It's like one of the female characters is just. I just don't like her because she doesn't even pay attention to how much this guy's in love with her and all of this and he's just not really having it and I thought that that was kind of an emotionally mature moment for comic because usually it's that's not how this plays out so I liked that he wasn't really taking sides he becomes friends with the guy like who is upset about the fact that his girlfriend or friend is with another guy. All of that. I thought it was like the character beats that kind of carried it and of course the art which is really beautiful and all of the dots and how the magic kind of comes to life on panel. I think was really interesting and fun to look There were parts where it was kind of talking heads for a long time which is always hard to draw dynamically by then it would come out of that all of a sudden go to mythology magic stuff happening and I thought that those panels were always really gorgeous totally. I thought almost every single panel with tiger is just like beautiful. Like she's so cool. This is so beautifully rendered. Her power is like so remarkable. And I agree with you. One of the notes I wrote to myself was it's remarkable the gradation and the texture that is achieved with the use of the points that this would have worked as well as I call it a comic. I always appreciate to see comics that make black and white works specifically because I love black and white comics. I don't think every comet can be black and I think some comic sexually look Kinda bad as black and white comex but this is definitely not the case and this is a case of the black and white format makes it look a lot better yet and I think given like liquid talking about when when tiger basically pulls a willow on that guy and if that had been in color it would have been so much more gory than was you felt like real retribution in this actually kind of forgot. That's what she had done when I was like. I wish I could do that. I don't WANNA like flay everybody but again like don't fuck with tiger. She's not here for you. You know come into it. I'm GONNA say is. Sometimes I do want to do that. I mean after you just have been followed by so many guys just seems like the same guy forever. Yeah I don't want to deal with you again. Here's how this one will go. I'll do magic. May I mean it would be incredible to be able to make someone just like go away? Who was being violent towards you so yeah. I thought this was like super cool. I thought the characters were well-developed and yeah I just really enjoyed it. Yes Oh did I thought it was pretty good. I read it earlier today and I think the IT stands by itself you know. It's kind of a very strange comic and I like to see things. That aren't what I normally see so I liked it at gas mirror podcast. 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