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"karen fraser" Discussed on The Eleventh

The Eleventh

10:39 min | 4 months ago

"karen fraser" Discussed on The Eleventh

"Of the cross. The journalist Paul Kelly was following the events closely. The role there Kerr richland fraser other dignitaries and the joking beforehand and as they allude to the crisis whitland says in a typical wetland joking aside he says well it could be a question of whether I get to the coin. First for your recall or the you get in first with my dismissal. This is Whitlam to Kerr they all. They all laughed but for this was no joke. It sent the shivers down his spine. He was the prime minister alluding to the possibility that Whitlam might actually try and get could sect as governor general if which LEM FELT. The curve was not sufficiently accommodating of his strategy. And this comment this joke from. Whitland just convinced Kerr even more that he could not trust which one he could not confide in which I mean above all above. Aw He could not indicate to Whitland any reservations. He may have head about Whitlam's tough it out strategy at a time when he needed care onside more than ever whitland with trading him with disdain the very next day. Whitlam went on. Tv and publicly undermined curves authority again. So it must salon. Kerr accept your advice. Whatever the Governor General takes the advice from his prime minister and from no one else and must act on that advice. Unquestionably the governor. General must act on the advice of his promised. Four days later sir. John Care asked for permission to consult directly with the opposition leader. Malcolm Fraser and Whitlam quickly agreed. He was just that confident that Kerr was on his side. Maybe he even thought that Kerr would help him to keep the pressure on Fraser. Same Night Fraser. Went to see her as you've heard the leader of the opposition. Mr Fraser was called to see the Governor General. Sa- John Kerr John's also in the prime minister. The prison crisis. John's Kiro in it. Any meeting like this is bound to be seen as most significant. When Fraser arrived at Kaz residence he was given a drink and sat down for what would become very long chat. We now are caught a lot about this first meeting. And it's extraordinary. It's the first meeting during the cross between the governor. General and Malcolm Fraser. The conversation lasts about an hour by drink. They settled down and Fraser explains to Kerr that the opposition of taken this decision. They will not retreat. He makes it clear that he believes. The governor. General has got a role to play in the crisis. So He's putting the iron on occur so in this first meeting the question of dismissal comes up and they are discussing it Paul. Kelly has paste together a series of separate accounts of this meeting today towel. What was said? And according to these accounts discussion went much further than just rising the question of dismissal. The Governor General indicated that he had concerns about his position. He was worried about the possible threat of dismissal. From whitland now if that happened. That's extraordinary if that happened at Mainz at this first meeting a signal to fraser that hey. The governor. General isn't worried. Richland Martin against him so this would be a place of enormous technical advantage to Fraser in public. Fraser refused to say what he had spoken about. But whatever it was it was information that Whitlam. It didn't have and gave Fraser an advantage of what the Governor General to Government House yesterday. What it was a private conversation and a very friendly conversation. But I think it'd be improper to say what the nature of was been publicly putting care and his place. Fraser now went out of his way to flat him. I believe it was quite improper for the prime minister on two major national television programs to say the Governor General will do this. The Governor General Mass do that the Governor General must do as I said. The monarch has got a position. The Governor General has got a position and it is wrong for a political leader to say that the monarch or the Governor General Mass. Do as I say. There is an independence in an obligation to preserve the constitutional processes. And I have every confidence. In our Governor General. Only November supply had been blocked the more than three weeks an intense precious around that everything and everyone in Parliament House. Paul Kelly was running around like a headless chicken every night. He sat down at his talk products. Ride his copy and try to make sense of the chaotic twenty. Four hours to just unfolded. Every notch is a blind panic every night. We're trying to sort out. What the Hell is going on in this cross? We know we're getting close to the showdown so on this one particular night. He sits down to write. It's those died the sixth of November. We know it can't go on for much longer. I spoke to live a members spoke to Whitlam's advises on a daily basis. They were rock-solid. We're going to prevail cousy LAS. The opposition eventually got got no option but to crack on probably started writing at that stage but Kelly wants to know what the opposition is thinking. Earlier that day Fraser had met with Kerr for a fourth time now. Kelly wanted to see if there was any sign of a change or went down to phrases office the opposition leaders office at six thirty PM. And of course what you're trying to do. All the time is assist. Well we're both leaders and what might happen in this extraordinary battle of nerves and brinkmanship and I knew that fries would saying the Governor General that dies. This was clearly very important die poll. Kelly knew that Fraser wouldn't tell him what was actually said. It is fourth meeting but he wanted to get up close with him. He wanted to try to read his face. He needed to get a glimpse of what he was really. Thinking are one on some Garden Soza Better Rotman story and I asked him how he felt at this point. The issue is likely to be resolved. The thing that struck me about it was the just with the confidence he radiated and it was a different sort of confidence. To Golf's Gulf. Confidence was always temperamentally induced. He declared with a red face that he was never more confident of anything in his life than prevailing with the Governor General Prevailing. In this cross phrase. It was different. Fraser was determined but contained. Calm Calm in control of himself. Measured are said to Fraser Heralds. This cross is going to be resolved. What's your view about what the solution will prove to be. And he looked at me coldly in the eye and said with the utmost confidence. I believe the Governor General will intervene and he will dismiss Gough Whitlam as Prime Minister. Had you react to that comment? I was shocked. This is the greatest game of high stakes constitutional poker with Sane but is phrase just playing the politics of brinkmanship or does fraser have a real inkling that this is going to happen of course back then Paul. Kelly was just going off what he could raid from phrases vice but now he's got a much clearer picture of exactly what was said at that. Fourth meeting between Fraser. And we now know what. Fraser said to the Governor General earlier that Diet Gyro Lama and what he said earlier. That day was extraordinary. He said Taku for the Kerr had obligations and responsibilities as Governor General to resolve the crisis and if he did not intervene to resolve the crisis than the opposition will have to go public. They would have to go. Public criticize incur for failing to face up to his responsibilities. Now just let that sink in because up until this point the opposition had been playing very nicely with the governor general but Fraser was now threatening to turn on him in a very public. Way Fries. Threatened Kerr that die at your alarm law no Christian. This was phrases belief for. He had the upper hand and Kerr would ride with him. Paul Kelly says the decision to allow Karen Fraser to meet with each other was a catastrophic mistake by Whitlam Bar agreeing with this. Whitlam showed one his lawyer confidence incur and to his complete underestimation of Malcolm Fraser. Fraser Exploited Brindley these conversations. He had with Kerr and Whitlam. Whitlam again was just proven to be technically inept move. The time was almost at zero. The supply crisis was now in its third week and the government was almost out of money. Something had to give and right at the moment when things were them most tints. Whitlam did something totally unexpected. He.

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"karen fraser" Discussed on Two Less Lonely Girls

Two Less Lonely Girls

10:28 min | 8 months ago

"karen fraser" Discussed on Two Less Lonely Girls

"I'm not very good at compromising like I. I went out this weekend with my mom and this dude and my mom made the comment that she was like back you know. And she's not like she's not like a subtle insult like she's always been really supportive like but she said you know now you're not she goes. It's not easy to find a man that's going to be okay with what who you are. You know what I mean. But that she didn't say it like that. But that's what you meant eight hundred Z. But she didn't mean it is. Sean Noah didn't sound county at all I just paraphrased in county way but okay okay. She was basically like. You're very bossie. Yeah you don't like to compromise. Yeah you're fiercely independent yes it's GonNa take someone who understands that and and I was like yeah I was like it's it's mentally ill how much I date like. How much I want to date comex over regular people name? It's a real problem like mentally ill but my mom was. She made a point she was like. It's there's no no way you're gonNA find a man it's hard to respect a man who's going to be okay with you being like. Hey Watch my dog go on the road for a weekend again with these three dudes who are funnier than you. And who have all been on television. I you know what I mean lies not wrong yes not wrong and and that is truly like like people go. Oh it's it must be so easy to date as like a comic 'cause you're out all the time and it's like no nothing could be like one hundred percent wrong. Yeah and I remember when I got out on my relationship the way that that settled in like the weight of that reality settling in was fucking terrifying defying right. Like I always thought it would be so easy and it just isn't it doesn't feel right. You know well and also a problem I find is and this is gonNA sound narcissistic but added to the list of other things. I've said it's narcissistic is that I feel like especially with my other podcast guys. We fought a really unique space where I have had the past six years to really work on myself in a unique way that most people wouldn't won't I mean like pervasively Ed that everyone else won't have the opportunity to do and I think it's really paid off and I not only do. I feel like I am a way better partner. I I feel like I know exactly what I want. What I'm looking for all these kinds of things And and I don't think that anyone else who was even closer close enough to my age to date has had the luxury of doing that amount of work in that particular space which dating and relationships and so now in trying to be a better partner. I've actually just become too like too good that I'm no one even wants to deal with it because they feel like a piece of shit around me which again sound so crazy narcissistic but it's feedback. I've gotten from multiple men as Mike. You're you're like you make me feel like a piece of shit because you're go to girlfriend and I was like I mean that as a compliment but I mean it's it's it goes along with my over achieving in fucking everything that I do but I've like in other the areas like I haven't had the time to you know like comedy. Everyone's putting that amount of obsessive time in and obviously there's a talent level there too. Oh that you know. Some people are just born funnier than others but in relationships. Like we're all kind of given Jack Shit and also well. I mean not not well given our parents. We're giving our parents and I was like and I was like I also yeah grew up in a place where like I'm not saying like they're like Romantically in love. Like it's a fairytale but like I. I'm not fucked up from anything. They did together watching the lobster last night. Yeah yes you know when the couple like the guy with the limp couples up with that girl from from and the fucking world And and they're like if there's any problems that you can't resolve yourselves you will be assigned children. Yes yes yes loud. That was my parents. You know what I mean. They just had they just kept having children. Yeah and it's like like hiring a baby as your therapist. Yeah you know what I mean like so I like I look at their example and go. I've done so much work around that but it's like I feel like but it's still there it's still in there you know in in my last relationship like I adopted a dog when things were a little on the rocks smoke. I look at that now and I go. He didn't WANNA dog But I did it. uh-huh as I was like this'll fix it and it didn't million worse right Yup. Yeah made things worse and he he was I mean rightfully fully so he like resented me for it up until the end. Yeah because I you know made this like it was just like a gigantic decision. Yeah Yeah But that being said I think we. We assume that we're like done. You know what I mean. No I mean I'm sure I'll have a new uh-huh new person. I'm talking about within a week with the I'm not. I don't think the go week I was GONNA say within two months. Yeah are you taking time off. I mean I don't us fully I don't I I'm always I'm always taking time off. It's like there was only one period when I was even on dating apps and that was because we clearly don't feel like talking about pop culture today. I know sorry guys we do that every in every once in once in a while there is a story I wanNA share every once in a while we episode does which I mean. I'm pretty sure it's against luminary contract but it's fine. Well well no no. No no this is not a relationship podcast but I think this is just an example of talking about self work this well this this was inspired by Justin spiritual journey journey. So bringing it back. 'cause I can sell anything. This is Karen Fraser and Rosa Bakers spiritual journey nailed it Be Yet that I don't know I don't know I Well I'm not going to get the dating apps was just something I did. For Cure Cure cure stood my therapist. Because I agreed that anything that she recommended I would do with within fucking reason. And that's fine you know. That's how I met Corn Guy and Yeah aw yeah man he. He's for I'm glad to have him in my life but it's like it's either like it's like the people I feel very deeply for. I like basically can't talk to any of them anymore because because it gets so tumultuous and then there's people who like I like them but they're not the ones and then there were still friends and you know we're going to slayer concerts together right so what you did last night literally what I did last night. Yeah Yeah I was. It's crazy 'cause like a couple of weeks ago now I felt like I was just like so sad And then within I can't believe it's only been a month With this person. I can't believe that it's crazy But I'm having so much fun that's good I'm happy for you. Yeah Well I mean I. It's it's we have you. Have you win again announced this publicly or people just fucking no because you guys are always together now and people just fucking okay. Because I was like. You're trying to hide it. I'm like I never listened like if if there was like a reason to hide something because of politics or whatever I understand that but I was like in this case I mean besides just like the doing the courtesy of informing your acts. I don't think that there was anything to be hidden right on reason. Yeah I still haven't informed. You probably should do that and informed real well not that many people fucking. Oh okay. Yeah so I'm just like keeping it you know I. I don't want to jump the gun. Yeah that too you yeah. I understand that that's weird. Because especially if you make a big thing about it and then if it does it goes south that everyone can be like saying. Yeah Oh it is embarrassing are saying. Yeah I'd also like I'm going to La soon yeah This dude will also be in La And let's get you can keep the gossip oxypan little west coast well and it's just like I would like to give my ex the space You know what I mean. 'cause like that's what I would want from him but I also don't know Offi even gives a shit like I truly don't know years. Yeah sometimes sometimes you're so busy worrying about like oh I hope my ex's comfortable and then yet held. I know like the full I don't care about and you're like fucking raw for weeks and I'm like hey you know what I mean. Then you feel like autumn highly of yourself exactly exactly. That's truly y. I haven't said anything because I'm like I just don't think that he cares but it's fun it's a it's a fun it's a fun back and forth. Yeah Yeah it's a lot of. I just hope people are thinking about me. If it's negatively you know that's my goal really I love to haunt to haunt. I love to haunt haunt us. That's what we called following Justin. ontong I don't I have no interest in like haunting wanting my ex's or anything like oh I lo- I hope you can't sleep at night. 'cause they're thinking of me really not not even like still in love with me just like that. I really got to them really yeah. It's called being vindictive. Yeah I don't my vinick. I have a very vindictive side but it's different different than that. Not all not all of them just a couple of them. It's because you have love for the U. or some kind of love like I actually hate my ex which is a new. which is it's a new thing? I've never overheated an ex before. Yeah I've hated XS but then I then I think about it and I'm like like the guy you know that one acts with the FIDORA's Auras. Yeah he I don't hate him because I'm like he still has to live inside of himself. Well that's so funny that you said that because I because I was talking to my mother and I was like I was like I. I can't get that mad because I was like the biggest punishment is all of all these people have to live the rest of their lives as them and I get to be me dude. I Yeah I had my ex when we broke up This isn't my ex comedy. This is different expert. He he called a friend of mine and tried to hit on my friend..

"karen fraser" Discussed on Dr. Death

Dr. Death

05:15 min | 1 year ago

"karen fraser" Discussed on Dr. Death

"Out. Since all of them appeared to be amateurs or or very new. I didn't know what this poor man had done. His clothing was not as nice as many of the other men, and I felt bad because he seemed to be really trying had no idea what he was doing and about a month later. I sent Bruce in Email and said, so how did your new man work out? He didn't respond, and it was never mentioned again. Memories of these men stick with Karen. She tells me she had forgotten their names and their faces for years. But now she can't stop thinking about them. All because of what happened on a cold day in January two thousand eighteen about ten thirty in the morning. There is a severe pounding on the door. So I came down expecting a delivery and look to the street, and I turned and two men in navy blue and one of them said, are you Karen Fraser, are you? Karen Fraser, you've got five minutes to get out. There's been a serious crime. Bruce MacArthur has been arrested. My name is Justin linked. This is uncovered the village. I'm an investigative journalist, and I've always been on the lookout for stories that have been passed over or forgotten and four years ago. I started working on a story that was both look good people. Just don't disappear cars located, but he was nowhere to be found. It's it's kind of like, I feel terrorized a string of queer men of color had gone missing from Toronto's gay village between twenty ten and twenty twelve for a time fears of a serial killer stopped the village, but the fear faded away the police closed their investigation the media moved on. Still those disappearances nagged at me. This was personal. This was my community. It started to become clear that their sexuality and their skin colour made them easier to forget easier to write off. But I never imagined where the investigation would go just how awful it would get. This is a story about missing men. Yes. But it's about so much more than that. It's a story about homophobia and violence against marginalized people. It's about a community that demanded answers and didn't get them until it was too late. Right. Toronto's gay village is only about three city blocks. The main focal point is the intersection of church street and Wellesley street. It's not hard to notice that you're in the heart of gay Toronto. There are pride flags hanging from shop windows and telephone poles. And as you walk up church street, there's a bronze statue of Dafur man with a flowing coat and a walking cane. And then there are the twenty foot tall poles. They're decked out with giant rainbow spirals and on the top is a shimmering disco ball. They're supposed to welcome everyone to the church and Wellesley village, they are incredibly Godley. The gay village has been around in one way or the other since the nineteen sixties early on. There was just a few discrete bars. And then there was the gay friendly travel agency, and then the clothing stores queer as folk a TV show that ran in the early two thousands was set in Pittsburgh, but filmed almost entirely in the church and Wellesley village. For lots of people the villages, a sort of refuge. There's plenty of village residents who were born outside of Canada. But who've adopted it as their second home, others are pats from small town candidate like me, and like, Joel. I started seeing him around the local pubs are unsure street. He kind allowed character. And so am I guess that's Joe Walker came here in two thousand eight from Anna toba, he's very vibrant person. He was constantly laughing. He's talking about his friend scanned arosh. Never everything was hilarious in life. I loved it. And for it. If I was in a bad mood. He would draw out to me and the IB fine to his friend. He was just skin to he had come to Toronto from three Lanka or he had fled a decades long civil war. He lived just outside the village and had a wide circle of friends. It is the same man. Karen Fraser, remember standing in her garden years ago? Like,

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"karen fraser" Discussed on Dr. Death

Dr. Death

06:30 min | 1 year ago

"karen fraser" Discussed on Dr. Death

"For seven years men were vanishing from Toronto's gay village. The community always suspected a serial killer. And they were right in the new season of uncover the village host Justin Ling investigates to spates of brutal murders forty years apart. This is episode one. How can you not see this? You can hear the second half of the series right now at CBC dot CA slash uncover or wherever you're listening right now. Maybe you've seen the headlines in February two thousand nineteen Bruce MacArthur appeared in Toronto courtroom. He was sentenced to life in prison for killing eight men. Macarthur's conviction answered some questions painful questions ones that had hung over Toronto's queer community for years, but it also reopened old mysteries. Mysteries that go. Back decades to a time when being gay meant being a target to win the community had to defend itself because police wouldn't when the closet was for many just a safer choice than coming out to a time when queer people were winding up dead and their killers were getting away with it. Our story starts in two thousand eighteen. Green yard if flowerbeds. This is the section in the middle of it. They tore up last winter and Doug down a few feet took weeks. Of course, they don't call this powdery road area for nothing to ground is wrong. It's a sweltering day in August. I'm in the backyard of tucked away house on a quiet street in Toronto. Here was all green until they came two weeks ago. You can imagine the mess. That it made Karen Fraser lives here. She is an unlikely central figure in this whole story. She's showing me your garden, or at least what's left of it. England can side of this hill. I've known Karen for the better part of year. She's slight she has a head of swept back red hair big Brown eyes, and an oddly endearing sense of humor that is what kept her saying. I think throughout this whole horrifying ordeal. We have deer. Come now. Her secluded backyard slopes down to a pair of railroad tracks beyond that is a deep ravine. Eliminated. Yeah. It's a leafy hideaway in the city. It's also the perfect place to avoid being noticed. Compost pile in the corner for leaves in the fall. And apparently it had things. And then over around here, we'll have to the whole reduce data kits for the major. Just a month before investigators were here combing through her yard her garden and the wooded ravine below they sifted through the dirt and the soil one bucket at a time painstakingly looking for clues it would become the largest forensic investigation in Toronto police history. They scoured it basically scoured it all the way down, but they didn't find anything back here in the end. The dead. Basically all over the ARD cheese. We had a lot of lilies until reply Phillies. Karen is trying to help me picture her yard as it used to be. There were flowerbeds and big colorful stone planters. To daffodils along near lots of Perry. Wing coke. I like it because it starts very early in the spring. You get something all of this was designed and maintained by her faithful gardener, Bruce, and he took good care of it. It was quite lush should Bruce. How does run of Karen's backyard conscientious? Very professional very talented, very kind. Their families had known each other for years. We got a call from Bruce sister saying that her brother had just purchased a gardening business. And she said, I understand you have a double garage, and you're not using it. So simple arrangement. Sure he could store his things in our garage. If he would cut our lawn when we went away on the weekends in the summer and over the years he expanded. He decorated all pots on the property gave us things at Christmas. Yo- it just it grew. Was never social. It was just a nice working relationship. Simple. Not complicated. But it wasn't a one man job. What do you remember about the people who went the hand when he was landscaping your place? Many of them were. Obviously newcomers some were quite shy. Most we saw once sometimes just head of hair going by the window holding up to hanging baskets. We didn't actually meet him at all. I think of all the men who met the horrible fate. I know I met one I think I met a second, man. One time very shy stared at the ground, and Bruce, and I were bantering back and forth. And I could see that demand. He had with him was staring at the ground and laughing because he found it funny to second man, I really felt sorry for him. He was off to the side. And Bruce was annoyed with him said. He's just not going to work out.

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"karen fraser" Discussed on As It Happens from CBC Radio

As It Happens from CBC Radio

01:58 min | 2 years ago

"karen fraser" Discussed on As It Happens from CBC Radio

"Today police laid three more first degree murder charges against bruce macarthur bringing the number of people he is accused of killing two five here's part of what toronto homicide detective hank in singa had to say at a press conference this morning at obviously the city of toronto's never seen anything like this so it it is very tired very draining for everyone whose revolt it's a serial killer um alleged serial killer killer or he's taken some steps to cover his tracks shortly after uncover these victims that identify these victims and hopefully get some good news horse closing news to the families of these victims toronto homicide detective hank it singer at a press conference earlier today bruce macarthur is now accused of killing five men salim asan mageed k n andrew kinsman dean less awake and so rouge moody police say they discovered human remains at the bottom of large flower planters found on properties linked to mr macarthur since his arrest on january eighteen to police have searched a number of similar properties among them a home and leaside where he sometimes stored landscaping equipment karen fraser owns that home we reach ms fraser in toronto miss fraser i can only imagine how disturbing this must be for you how are you dealing with the latest news today well at this point we had gear fill audited uh maybe not the extent and you know yarmuth grew into neutral i have a feeling that my brain turk it and shall getting the back corner instead of bringing out a little bit of time and think about it uh when detainees first show up at your door i'm getting a little vague on time now last thursday about ten o'clock and and what happened what did they say get out and had been a serious crime you have to get out right now.

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