6 Episode results for "Kansas Administration"
Hour 1: Rick Barnes
"We want the best of both worlds. We want a hybrid a smarter hybrid cloud approach. Ibm helps banks personalized experiences with watson while helping keep data secure. The world is going hybrid with ibm. Visit ibkr dot com slash hybrid cloud fried passion and pageantry of college. Football leaves here. The paul finebaum show our to podcast. And hello and welcome back. We continue to talk about the situation in kansas Formerly lsu were less. Mild is under employed in case. You missed it earlier. The headlines of course have been screaming since last night that les miles in kansas have mutually parted ways. That's a rather benevolent way of putting less were shown the door. He had a disastrous. Run there but it was what happened. In two thousand thirteen at lsu that ultimately got him fired. Reuss feldman has covered less miles for a very long time in bruce. Thanks so much for the time shafran we want to talk to you about including your pizza just hit about the the nfl mock draft. But let's start with less miles not a surprise. But what do you think Finally pushed kansas over the edge and And did away with less after what has been coming out for days if not weeks from baton rouge untenable this the idea. Kansas jeff long's the ad there obviously sec. Fans will remember from his time at arkansas. It's just been an abysmal run. And the fact that has searched process get less miles there in the first place was kind of a jolt in kind of a head scratcher but now after what had come out from Over the weekend. And friday from the lsu part of this. I don't know how in twenty twenty one kansas could say. Oh yeah we're okay with that just even if you look at the wording on how jeff long explained the move last night it was just like we got to win more games. It was like wait a minute. There were some really Disgraceful actions that are alleged against less miles from his time at lsu. And i don't know how they could look the other way with a straight face and say okay this a guy who the lsu administration had clearly put some you know unique situations around him and stipulations in dealing with people and some of those allegations are so troubling and so disturbing. I really think they had no choice but to move on. And the wording parted ways whatever they just had to make a change and get him out of there. And i'm suspect at some point in the nazi just future an after avenue. Ad as well. Yeah that was. Obviously a lot of people are going now and you know jeff. Long didn't exactly distinguish himself at arkansas. Were shown the door there and surprisingly or maybe not. Surprisingly the program has been on fire under hunter year. Check but i mean how can you. How can you possibly keep jeff long on the job after mean and football's only part of the problem. The basketball program has been under fire for years. Exactly i mean there's issues with the ncaa and the basketball program ac- basketball is a bigger deal there than football. But i think in this. It's so many issues. That are layered together. And i think it's the tone-deaf aspect Jeff lungs long relationship with last miles The allegations in the things in those investigations about less. They are really disturbing. Act act especially as they relate to student workers there. I think it's really troubling and the fact that k. You in jeff. Along the way it was explained. Even if you look back i think over the weekend. Less miles attorney gave us gave a statement that i think makes may kansas look quite honestly even worse that they kind of knew about it and that they were okay with it was almost like well because other people were alarmed by now that it was that it was something that was like shouldn't have happened just because of the perception on it i just think it all of it is made that tenure. Look so sketchy. And i just don't know how your kansas how you don't kind of rip the band aid off at this point and say hey we gotta make a different a different move here. I just think right now you look at it yes the. Ncaa extended the dead period much longer. So they don't really have to rush in through this coaching search process. But who's going to be making the new head football coach higher in this. I mean this is a lot of stuff for the kansas administration to sort out as they move on not just from last miles but i think as they move in a different direction for. Who's in charge of the parliament. Bruce you mentioned less miles attorney. Who who has been who statements have been laughable just appears to me and maybe others less miles decision making when it comes to hiring. Attorneys is almost as bad as into the game clock management. But let's move on to another situation. Which is more pressing for young college players all over the country where pro days or happening today tomorrow and and really for the next few weeks you did a very deep dive on the draft and not only that you just. Didn't you know throw a bunch of names up in the air and see what what would stick you talk to people that really matter in the industry. Take us through your work. Yeah so really what it is. It's looking at it from talking to college coaches. I've talked to dozens of them in the last couple of weeks about these prospects. What they like what they may be. Don't like how they use them. As getting br prepare for some coaches who who actually coached the players and it was fascinating to hear some of the things about certain players. Like i knew like you. Demonte smith was a phenomenal player at alabama. I did not know. One of the anecdotes dotes. I got from this from talking to coach in the. Sec was. He talked about how their their players will come off the field after a drive. And he's calling out our coverages and basically what they found out was monty. Smith would go back to his coaches and basically debris them and he was. He was pretty much always right about what he was seeing. Introducing from what teams were trying to do so. Yeah we know. He is a great receiver. But i think some of the nuance about. What's what makes some of these players. So good whether it's whether it's devante smith's intelligence and football acumen in the weather. It's like the strength that you see from the jomar chase in a how he is just different from a lot of other shoot receivers strong hands super strong lower body great ability to make these contested catches. I think some of those detail. Things are what the nfl is really trying to get at. So you know it's fascinating to see also know there's a linebacker kentucky who stock is about to blow up because you just hear about. This guy wasn't a really a one. Year wondered davis but he was a A guy who was expected to be really good player in two thousand nineteen and then had a hamstring injury right before the season now. Nfl teams are discovering. He was really productive this year but he's super versatile. He's a really long athletic guy who they expect to test really while you're about four days. Who should his explosiveness Athleticism should really be showcased. And so i think now because this process no combine. The scouts couldn't be on the road the way they normally warren twenty twenty It's fascinating for to hear about. Maybe these early later discoveries that people know these guys were were good. Because they've seen the film but i think now just in terms of the intel. They're trying to gather. I think it's just different this year than it is normal year. So that was what i i really tried to get at in the store and the athletic today bruce. Trevor lawrence obviously is going. I but but after that you had some very interesting picks Especially couple of quarterbacks At the at the top four five in the draft headed. You arrive at that. Well it was really from talking to people coaches and scouts. I did talk to for this The buzz on zach wilson is very interesting because he was really on. Nobody's radar about a year ago at this time at byu because of covert and how it their scheduling. They didn't play many very good teams. Normally they would play and they had these teams on their schedule for the power five opponents so the scheduling. They were better than everybody. They play in twenty nineteen where he his numbers were nowhere near what they were this year. he was also played hurt alive. So i think you see guy who physically he wiles coaches with his arm talent. I mean they rave about how the ball jumps out of his hand his ability to throw accurately on the move all these crazy off platform throws but then there's some other question marks about the level of competition the durability he's not as big as justin field you certainly not as big as trae lance Some of the two of the other guys who are in that consideration after lawrence mean justin justin fields looked phenomenal against Against clemson he didn't look very good against northwestern right. And so i think for scouts who are looking at body of work. They're trying to figure out. Who is he gonna be in the nfl right. I mean dwayne haskins. The last the quarterback look great in a one year. He played at ohio state and then he really struggled in washington and has already gone from that trae. Lance north dakota state had an amazing two thousand nineteen really his only euro planning. So now they're going to figure out try to figure out what are we getting in the nfl. I know a lot of people. Try to make the comparison of dak prescott. You know things powerful. Ken run smart kid super competitive and they see a lot of that in trae lions. Fantastic article You should check it out on the athletic bruce. Thank you very much as always for dropping by now. You've got a lot going on. We appreciate it. We'll talk soon. hopefully you got it. Great stuff from bruce as we continue much more to come on the program. We'll talk to the chairman of the men's basketball committee a little bit later on. He's also the athletic director at university of kentucky and the head basketball coach at the university of tennessee. Rick barnes right around the corner. We hope you'll stick around to and listening to the paul finebaum show podcast and we welcome you back. It is a the eve of the sec basketball tournament and all eyes will be on nashville beginning tomorrow night and eventually our next guest will make it over two and a half hours from knoxville to national to partake. We're joined by coach. Rick barnes of the university of tennessee coach. Thank you very much. It's great to have you on. And i'm wondering if someone who has literally seen it all in your career from final four appearances two elite eights number one rankings. How would you describe this. Utterly bizarre season that was under the cloud of covid. Paul utterly bizarre The other night was the first time all year long when we were getting ready for the we had a little time to talk about our seniors and it was the first time that i literally have stood up in front of our team in in our what is a make do meeting room and took my mask off and i really wanted them to take their mask off because i wanted to see their faces. I really just miss seeing them. Even when i talked to players after practice you know there were six feet apart. I have a mask on. And then i'm sitting can wander in a chair six feet apart. It's been really hard. And i really admire the players. What they've done to try to help us get through it and certainly everybody. That's involved just to get us to this point. Do you own or rent your home. Sure you do. And i bet it can be hard work. You know it's easy. Bundling policies with geico geico makes it easy to bundle your homeowner's or renter's insurance along with your auto policy. It's a good thing too because you already have so much to around your home. Go to geico dot com dan quote and see how much you could save. Its gyco easy visit. Geico dot com today. That's geico dot com in. And i think as as a result of what you said And what we've seen all year. We've seen a lot of unpredictability. And i'm sure that would be applicable to even your own team. You're right in the fact that you know you feel. I think the coaches do have a feel for their teens. But it's hard to have a feel for for the people when you don't get to look in the eye. We do look them in the abbot. You don't get to see their face their expressions and so it has been hard that way and we other than our to seniors. You know relatively young guys playing you know three young plan Or three new guys playing a lot of minutes. But i think all i think you look around college basketball where you see a team that can get beat by twenty-five thirty turn around the next night and beat somebody about thirty. I i do think so unpredictable and and i do believe that emotions have played a big part in it where players You think about our players. We try to do everything right in terms of the way we've been told to handle the kobe and they leave us. We haven't had any meals together except the night before a game and then you go back to their dorms. We ask them to stay apart there with the contact tracing so everybody kind of goes wrong way. It feels almost like groundhog day. You get back up and do it again next day and it just seems like each day just runs into each other as a coach who's had phenomenal success in tournaments and i know there isn't a template for this week national and obviously next week When when everybody heads to indiana so what do you rely on to try to to find some commonality. I say all this is your team. Did end the season quite quite well the other day against florida. Well you know. Paul we get over there and are shooting. Time in the arena is seven fifteen thursday morning. We had a thirty minute. Time there and we'll leave that that open as an optional time for players and we have some guys that are already told us they want to be able to go in there for those thirty minutes. And then i think we get an hour at a memorial coliseum which in the past we would have handled that ourselves withstand within the sec bubble. You know that's our time so we're not going to go to a belmont or a late david lipscomb or wherever. We might decide that we could get a place. So that's that's different and so we'll get our work done here tomorrow as much as we can because we obviously we don't know who will play yet there's possibility of three teams so we'll do as much as we can but i do think this time of year it's mostly about us. We'll do a lot of Preparation for this game. Coming up on friday and a ballroom at where we're staying and do that and Film obviously but once that games over with once we know we're gonna play. We'll we'll get together but at the prep work will be done in a ballroom in in terms of your tournament in relation to your tournament experience. Coach what what have you seen. Great players obviously have something to do with it especially some of the ones that you had two years ago and kevin durant at texas it. Is there something that you you lean on and at least mentally. That helps prepare you to help. Prepare them for what we are about to see. Yep all. I think what i've learned through the years and i've had some great people have been able to talk to about this time of year. Odyssey being around been around doing long time. I think the real key is that your team is fresh mentally. I think that's the biggest part. I think that you want them to be as fresh as they can possibly can be when when it's time to go especially in terms that if you want to win it you know you're going to have to play. What three straight days and do that so this week and is awake that you know. You can't do a lot this time. Just everything's gonna be short and sweet but with that said we we look around out but now i'm starting to watch a little more college basketball this week and you watch team like appalachian state who punched her ticket last night. Against one former assistant coaches they had a out. It got hot and he started shooting. The ball had seven out of eight games coming into the tournament. They ended up winning it. And we've seen that happen until you see some teams that can lynch pin to this time of year and just catching lightning in a bottle and then you have some teams that are really on a roll then all at once. It doesn't work but the key. What you wanna do is handle your preparation if you can just handle your preparation in really believe that you're ready for the game when it starts that's you can ask them your players from like i said a coach's standpoint you. It's our job to keep them fresh mentally that you want in a great frame and You know mind where they are excited about playing in physically. You want to be at their very best coach barnes. Whether it's co coach. It is hardly breaking news. The has exploded in recent years of outstanding coaches. And i think you coming over here You know help play a big role in that and then what we saw two years ago with a number one see but how would you describe the current state of basketball in this league. You know paul is as good as in the country. And i think we're going to still be fighting to break down a number of years of perception where it wasn't a good league. It was an athletic league. But you look around. You look at the success. So many coaches in our league. And we've got a league full of terrific coaches do and when you have that you know you're going to when you have coaches that have experienced i've been around thirteen. Get better and you look in our league. How many teams. I think have gotten better from start to finish. And then you look at the level of competition key and we're turning out guys that are one and done going to the nba and that's abc's the last couple of years that's taking place. And but we have continued to kind of replenish. Replenish it then. You go back to our our challenge with the big twelve this year. We won that. I think in two years so the league is terrific. It really is. I just again. I know there's been perception of it in the past that Off said when i came into the legal and a badger bad year we should get six teams in the ncaa tournament. But this is not a bad year in the sec. This is a year where i like to see us. Get seven maybe eight teams depending on what happens in tournament but I just think the future. I think what's happened with the officiating. With what the office has done. Sec down bringing in my kids. That i see great days ahead for the sec coach. One one more question on that you mentioned and i would agree with you no matter how much success this league has won a couple of years ago. Three years ago there was. I think eight in the ncaa tournament and you you know just being such a centerpiece two years ago. Why do you think it is that. I don't know maybe it's media. I have to assume perception of the basketball elite. But why why kansas league or what will it take for this league to to scrape all that away. I think consistency this time of year. I think me matters a lot. I do think that. I mean you go back every year when you look at it. Preseason poll. i mean it's pretty much the teams that that you would expect to be there every year regardless of what. They've got coming back where they are. That's kind of ingrained. I think and i do think the media has plays into that. That's their job to do what they do. But i think for us to really turn. It is to have success this time of year and we can do it a number of years. You know back back. I think that will help us as much as anything ray. Conversation coach all the best in national and beyond. We really appreciate you making time. Thanks paul thanks for having me you bet. I always great to catch up with rick barnes. The head coach at the university of tennessee. We have a lot to do. We'll talk to the chairman of the men's basketball committee. Mitch barnhart in the next hour. He's the ad at kentucky and we'll get to your phone calls at eight five five two four two seven two eight five. We are coming right back to listening to the paul. Finebaum show podcast. Welcome you back here on a tuesday afternoon. We're going to get your phone calls in a moment. Eight five two four two seven two eight five. Two guests already with bruce and coach barnes. Let's give you some headlines from this day and the awards are out for the south eastern conference coach of the year. who is it. Nato's from alabama. Herb jones wins player of the year and defensive player of the year scholar. Athlete of the year goes to vanderbilt freshman year moses moody of arkansas. The sixth man of the year j. T. not from arkansas. As well so that is on the eve of the a lot of debate has centered around. Who would get coach of the year. Would it be nato or eric musclemen. And i don't think that was an easy choice but nato is also a candidate for national coach of the year other headlines today committee finds no racist intent in the eyes of texas song. Maybe people who disagree with that and michigan. Some things never change the athletic director up. There says jim harbaugh does not face a wins quota in twenty one. He can have another bad season. And we'll be pleased as punch. That's not what he said. That was my that was those were my words. But i'm just doing some interpretation of of of michigan ease anyway would love to hear from you. Eight five five two four two seven two eight five and mel starts it off in florida. Hey mel good afternoon paul. Happy tuesday thank you very much. I was calling about this story about rush poked. I'm sure you've read the gory details. I've tried to. Yeah that's assuming it's all untrue. It's still not a good look obviously People are going to believe it whether or not but what's his agenda what what's going on paul. Remember something here in the. Let's just for the sake of argument. Assume it's all true that he said that's him on the that's him on the on the tape he was. I think if i remember correctly he was having a conversation with the head of his booster. Was not believe you're correct. This is not rush. Probes going public saying i think this nefarious things are going on at the school at that at others. He's just talking. Like coaches talk. And i will tell you mel coaches talk like that coaches are all usually it's it's competitors but even even a coach like rush probe who knows all these people you know he i. I really don't know the context and it's like in any courtroom you play you play an excerpt or something out of context and you can. You can get multiple meanings. But i mean he was simply explaining. This is how it's done at this school at that school and other schools. And what would he know. Yeah remember. Jeremy pruitt is one of his closest friends. He worked for him at hoover. High school he's been a head head football coach at some of the best high schools in the south for twenty years. He's every one of these coaches has been in his office trying to recruit his players so he knows the way the game is played. I'm i'm not giving any credibility to what he said. I know russia very well. I've had many private conversations with him. Nothing along the lines of what we may or may not have heard these tapes. Well even if it's completely just coachspeak idle talk. You know people are going to believe it. And there goes your. We told you so. Alabama georgia paying players. And that's why they're recruiting first and second or third It's just not good optics. But mel let me. Yeah it's like The situation at tennessee. When that i think it was dan patrick or somebody who talked about the mcdonald's. I don't know if that's true or not But like you said once something gets into the into the wash there's no way to undo it and yes but even even if even if these things are true. And i'm not. I'm not being flipping here. I spent the early days of my career as an investigative reporter. This stuff does matter to me but even if the allegations are true what are you. What are what's going to be done about. It is my question and you think it's it's a certain way at one school and not a certain way in another. Yeah that's that's a good point one. One last point applies to this situation or less miles. But what emma favorite quotes it help keeps me grounded in humble when i think my head's getting bigger every twenty four hours. The world rolls over on. Somebody's sitting on top of it. You're right and that's a good thing to remember. Thank you very much i. I like quotes like that. Because they do keep us all humble and for some of us. It's very difficult. I will say the thing about rush. Probst i i know. He's being vilified right now. He's he's having a particularly tough time where he is and i sincerely doubt. His shooter is very bright. He has been a very good high school football coach. One of the best ever and but he's but he's always been linked to trouble. He's been unable to outrun controversy. And that's just who he is. But if you're if anyone is going to ask me or wants to ask me. Do i think anything will come out of this. The answer is no i. Don't i think this is a very hard to cooperate. It's impossible to cooperate unless rush probes comes out and says yeah it's all true. Let me let me give you chapter and verse in the odds of him. Doing that are very slim about infinitesimal. Let's get back to the calls and check in with jackson who's up next. Hello jackson her there. I was asking that utah. Rustproof was the most untrustworthy in the south. Well let me ask you this. I i know his resume. Pretty well I've always found him to be strangely. A straight shooter untrustworthy. Yeah i mean you can go there. In terms of the fact that guy had a secret family. Not a good look But no he is. He is not gotten along with administrators. Is he a hothead. Yeah but you know he. I think the problem for rush probes is this. He was heading to be a head coach at a either a group or five school or maybe even Power five school years ago in his career because of his own demons. Got in the way. And i don't think he's ever recovered from that. And he continues to win championships. He continues to have an effect on people but he but he can't outrun trouble. I believe that. I mean he almost gonna alabama head coaching job but yeah he won. How many states the road hoover four or five. You got two days after. He didn't get that alabama job things kind of went south for him. Well if you're asking me. Jackson could rush pro do damage to a lot of people. If if he did. I tell all book for the sake of argument. Yeah of course he. He knows he knows the way the game is played. And let's forget college. Football for a second rush probes could blow the lid off high school football in the south. I mean he could easily. I mean there are i mean. We all know their their power programs that that operate like lie colleges and there's not anybody out there watching who's familiar with high school football and in big in big and small towns who hasn't heard a story hasn't heard a story about a young man moving from one part of town to another So he could go to a better school. It happens all the time. I've heard a million of them and so have you and and rush probes ran. One of the he ran football. He ran in football factory at hoover. High school let's let's be honest. He did and then once the kind of do the same thing georgia without those. Yeah but but guess what. Jackson everywhere rush probe has gone. He's one and he's had booster supporting him. And you know there's a reason why you hire a guy like that because he's because he wins. Anyway let's take a break before we Either praised him or buried him to to quickly. More of your phone calls at eight. Five five four two seven two eight five. We are back after this. You're listening to the paul finebaum show. Podcast we welcome you back in. We are open for business here. Busy first half hour. With bruce feldman and rig barnes we have mitch barnhart coming up university of kentucky. Also the head of the men's college basketball committee he'll be making the big calls with his committee and a couple of days Very soon i should say let's get back to the calls at eight five five two four two seven. Two eight five and butch is up next. Hey butch thanks great to hear from you. Thanks for having me both been Probably twenty years. Since i called go back paltry country club all my goodness. I do remember those days. Oh boy yeah They're just trying to rake russia over the coals. And the guys built so much you know who the winner way before the mtv thing trustful got the that's why you know it same region everything else. People don't realize This guy's done nothing but been recorded. What every coach talked about high school copter. A big high or big college. They know what's going on. And they taught each other and it's just a it's just they can't act ignorant to no of course not in a and i i think the bush you wouldn't course because you're exposed to it but i think the average person and i don't mean to classify that but i think the key casual sports fan. I should say would be shocked at what happens in high school athletics. Of course starting college and it still in college every coach. Everybody just adores has had a call dislike that in the past month probably once a month they know everything that's going on and they don't. They don't deserve what they need to be. Yeah and and what's interesting. Is you know it used to be that basketball. Was the dirty sport in high school with the a you but football is far behind right now. And look. if you're nick sabin or kirby smarter or any major coach you have to have some distance between you and what's going on but you have to. You have to protect yourself but you also know what's happening though no matter where he is right and no matter. What but i'll tell you this. I've met him to time and he's like you said a straight shooter. No i mean. I know it's not popular to say that I've always liked rush pro because he is You know people were just taking the baseball bat to the panatta right now. But but he is. He's the official. He's this week's you know. I know be more and i would say if it ha- if it had not been for The outrage yeah like a everybody could at blonde to it. But at the business you gotta. These guys are making their money. They're feeding our family. They're going to do everything i can had for the personal failings and hoover. He would have been a college head coach. Yeah that's true. He's great at it. Thank you thank you. Yeah i mean i know. It's easy to take shots. And i'm not i mean i i don't really i mean i know what the tape purports shot. All i'm saying is is that him on the tape and even if it is what does it mean sensational but what's it all about how about j. j. j. and knoxville tennessee. Hello jj thanks for taking my cows on collar. But i've watched it from day one. Thank you i. i've always wondered. Why when everybody ask you How you're doing that. You don't use. Rick brags line. What did rick say when when asked him has doing. He's done good. He says yeah. I'm good but it's early. well rick. it's always way the other thing. I wondered Was was anderson. Still riding at the journal or siler their two cents. No when you were in. knoxville Tom siler was about to retire. But i got to know him and spent time with him and not only that tom. Sawyer tried to help me get a job out of college. He was one of the greatest. The greatest people. I've ever met so you knew. Damn well i do remember. I vaguely remember tom. I knew ben. Bergh ben bird very well Who is a wonderful guy. And russ bob remember those two. I didn't know thomas well but yeah ben. Ben was on all the basketball trump's the reason i was asking you about andrew son i was Knocks in in. Ut there in the late fifties and of course he was big time there. And i think it is and fifty. But i heard stories about black. I guess they would do well. Now when you descend. But i've heard like he only win at town as gay straight about once every two or three years that a runner would come by this column to take up to the journal. Jj i didn't know that by the way before anyone gets upset gay street when i was in college was the main street in knoxville. I don't even. I haven't been downsized downtown knoxville in a while but What happened tennessee theatre. Still there was one other thing. I was wondering about was. Hey i hate to do this. Jj but we're about to run out of time. We'll finish this conversation soon. Thank you for the call. Do you own or rent your home show you do. 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College Football Permafrost Teams
"Welcome to the solid verbal. Asked me a man one forty. I've heard so many players say why wanna be happy. You want to be happy for day. Eight of state won't welcome back to the boys and girls monday. Ms tight hildebrandt joining me as always over there in damn near tropical chicago illinois. The one and only frigid dan rubenstein. Sir how are you. I'm pretty good tie. I was a few hours ago with a shovel digging into are attempting to dig into the the cold icy morass of sadness. That is the piles of rock hard frozen snow that are in front of my garage. Because i needed to get to teach tie. Tj trader joe's. I needed my vaguely artisanal creative snacks that you loathe but probably secretly love and i was thinking to myself. We're deep into winter deep into winter in this. This blustery icy mid western time of hours by there are probably people listening in tucson. La hoya delray or something like that. That are enjoying themselves. Plenty and i'm thinking to myself. I can't help but think that certain college football teams even feel this way when it's warm out. Yeah it's true that they're just. They're taking any possible tool to try and jostle to try and loosen the situation. They're in to clear a pathway and no matter what they do. The can't seem to make headway. Luckily i have a car with pretty big tires and a chance. Didn't it was fine. But i was thinking to myself in the dead of winter. Who finds themselves in this type of situation. Metaphorical situation as it were and i ask twitter. There are a lot of teams of teams in an icy morass. So i brought the idea to you. And i needed to make some dough babies as well because i needed to reverse that type of sad thinking so i did that recently. I got even more thinking about the teams. We might talk about today. How do you get out of this. Icy icy doldrums frost. You're talking about permafrost. Dan album permafrost. That's what i'm talking. And i submit the teams to you for your thoughts and for our conversation and here we are ready to and i'm gonna say throw some comforting positively cocoa on this frozen ic- tippety cocoa continue. Yeah not just warmth but delicious warmth. Because i want to. I want to look at these situations in terms of not just be problem oriented but solution-oriented and this is where we find ourselves on this very icy cold midwestern monday afternoon. Boy this weather thing for you in chicago has really been an existential experience hasn't it. I apologies from people. I know hear from jodi with an eye and her friends and family saying it's bad and it's usually bad but it's not like this which i don't know how to interpret but it has affected me yes just trying to be honest. Look it's cold out there. You're getting a ton of snow. We got thirty inches and we got five more on super bowl sunday so it's a long cold winter for many of us listening wherever you may be. We wish you all the best. 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But we do appreciate the support near and far follow on social media all the usual hot-spots twitch channel with now of course because of the news of the new college football game at some point presumably in our natural lives. We're gonna be streaming a little bit more that. Ncw fourteen stuff. Just to keep the whistle. Nice and wet quiet now daniel before we get into that icy permafrost layer of college football team. Yeah i don't play the breaking news coming to you. It's a fun sound. What the hell. I'm not yelling. I'm just to play cool. Okay still kind of getting over my vocal thing. But we've got a big ten schedule right. Remember remember this point in time maybe like six months ago maybe a little longer. I didn't do the math. I remember waiting on edge to figure out what's the big ten gonna do now that they've plugged the season back in. We had an abbreviated big ten schedule. Conference owner i. This is a much much different dynamic because this is a normal schedule. We've got a normal schedule for all the big ten teams here. It came out any immediate thoughts and looking at some of these draws kind of a spicy non conference slate for the big ten between washington oregon auburn colorado notre dame for purdue in addition to oregon state there's some oklahoma and nebraska. Yeah match so there are some i. Think what indiana has cincinnati. If some high quality teams michigan state miami a lot of intrigue i would say in early to mid september and then we've got a dublin game if i'm reading this correctly between illinois and nebraska zero yep a natural game to play in dublin. Sure your classic lion fans across ireland. will be very pumped up your ill. Il annoy schedule. Yeah it's not too bad. it's not too bad. What about that illinois roster roster different story but his schedules show okay s schedules go. I got away. Game against penn state and of course their their home against wisconsin in there but in looking over all the schedules i looked at illinois is like damn this. If bret bielema could spin some sort of magic in champaign not an impossible schedule to get to that six win mark now. I mean you. Miss what the michigan schools and ohio state. That's always somewhat of a positive. And they miss indiana. I mean you're talking about that's a lose -able and exceedingly lose -able game so sure a nice soft takeoff for the bret bielema era for four illinois michigan's back half of the schedule is pretty dicey as i think we enter into the twilight. Part of jim harbaugh's tenure in ann arbor. It's north western michigan state. Indiana penn state maryland and ohio state aloha ohio states in ann arbor. But it's not an amazing stretch. Well how states starts off with what we assumed to be a pretty tough one to with minnesota tanta morgan going to be there to at least twenty twenty eight and oregon columbus returning the favor. That never was this past year of course with the big ten and pac twelve not competing in non conference game. So we'll see what organ looks like. I think that defense is gonna be pretty interesting for the ducks against the first quarterback for ohio. State penn state getting wisconsin and auburn in the first two of three weeks. Yeah i think could be challenged. Rents that's going to be tough. I i stand by the fact that i think penn state is going to be a little bit better off. Maybe than we'd expect. The quarterback thing to me is is a huge unknown. At this point it was last night. Said even bigger deal this year. What jumped out about the penn state scheduled to me is that it feels like there's adequate buffer. You don't have any murderers row situations on that schedule. You've kansin an sort of a down week before. You've got auburn. Then you've got villanova before you've got indiana. I guess iowa after indiana is maybe the one spot but otherwise illinois before ohio state maryland before michigan rutgers before michigan state. That's a decent set for them. Sure i look at the iowa schedules. Well in terms of perennially good to very good to excellent teams a category. Ia fits into somewhere the back half of their schedule. Is atta wisconsin team. Who looks like they've taken a pretty big step back on offense northwestern who'll be starting a new quarterback minnesota at home illinois at home northwestern on the road in that rivalry game missing michigan. Ohio state michigan state. Not that michigan michigan state. Coming off of last year are all that dangerous but with year. Two of mel tucker and a- bounceback year from jim harbaugh. that's a. That's a nice road. It's tough to open with indiana and iowa. State iowa states on the road for iowa but otherwise pretty. Nice late. For the hawks i we. This is a territory. We like to own a nice easy. Roll out for iowa football. It's it's kind of nice. It's not bad it is real bad really not all me and northwestern. Mrs ohio state though michigan in ann wisconsin or both on the road. They have a tough stretch in michigan. Minnesota iowa wisconsin if those teams are hitting anywhere near their ceiling at that's a tough one for northwestern A new quarterback in a new defensive coordinator who i mean the produce schedule looks real tricky notre dame iowa ohio state northwestern all on the road i was i felt like i was on an island. This is where. I like to pat myself on the back that i didn't fully understand the jeff brom adoration during that louisville flirtation and i think we've reached a point. Where if they don't make a bowl game this year. I don't know what his buyout is. I know he's getting paid a whole bunch of money. And i don't know how long you can pay a coach a lot of money to go and eight. And wow that's where we're out with has your has your jeff. Brown river of enthusiasm hits crest. All i'm saying i. I was on an island. That i wasn't that enthusiastic about jeff brom that a lot of a lot of that leverage came from him being from louisville net job opening up but i understood that things have gotten a little bit interesting. The defense took a nice Step forward early on in his tenure in west lafayette. but i. this is me patting myself on the back thinking. I may have gotten it right back then. I hope it's not the case but it is. It's tough times. There is the issue. For purdue sure they've got a road game against yukon but also road game against notre dame against iowa the bresca against ohio state and against northwestern. I mean the clear when you look at purdue and what they do and don't have yeah brutal. Yukon is almost assuredly a win illinois. there's a good shot at it being a win. A good shot because it's at home and whatever and then after that nebraska because on the road michigan state's at home. That's there's a decent shot there. But otherwise i guess if wisconsin continues to look kind of underwhelming an offense. There's a shot there but i. It's a big shrug for me. On purdue football right now and not at done a deep dive of their roster their injuries that position battles whatever. It's again the icy morass february. I like that word a lot today. For whatever reason but this is This is tough winter term. Sledding you know it dawned on me this sound now that we got bret bielema back. I just need chop off the gobble. Roddick s it's in reference to november. Which once again is a month. Filled with turkey gobbles and we let him get his feet under him september october. And this is where. Eleanor shines so need a november version. And then just a regular borderline erotic version without the gobble breakfast. Correct three hundred days tolbert. Yeah exactly december te all right so not a lot of news dan. Shall we get into our topic for yeah. I didn't really enjoy the super bowl all that much. Now's the only other bit of commercials with the best part of the game or the good. I didn't pay too close attention. There are a joy isn't there. There's a will ferrell one for gm. I enjoyed horrific beard. Terrific beer wary. Nordic yeah yeah. Let's get to our game. you're is sale. we're talking college football permafrost. If you go to wikipedia look a little bit more. What is permafrost in well. I'll tell you. It is ground that continuously remains below zero degrees celsius thirty two fahrenheit for two or more years located on land or under the ocean so i cannot think of anything more fitting to talk about here with relation to the season with relation to the teams that we're going to discuss now. It should be noted. Permafrost can thought it can take extra effort and warmth and cocoa positively. I mean it takes like global warming. It takes a real event okay to thaw out the permafrost but it can be done. And i think we're going to look at some of these teams here today gonna try and evaluate. What has what has gone wrong. Why how these teams sunken to these depths. Gotten this cold. have they hit rock bottom Is there any obvious optimism in sight all of these things. Let's start with virginia tech. You're is nice. Virginia tech. So i'm looking at virginia tech right now over the last couple seasons and of course they've had just in their last four years running it has certainly been a little bit of a case in terms of the onfield results of diminishing returns kenan for his first year by the way it's five years now five seventeen eighteen nineteen twenty seasons. Yeah oh my gosh accounted for years right yep so tended for the first year they win the belt bowl everyone's excited about justin flint After that though nine four with a loss in the what camping world bowl to oklahoma state near after six and seven if you count the bowl loss in the military bowl against cincinnati twenty nineteen eight and five if you count the ball loss in the bulk bowl against kentucky and then this past season five and five in the acc which is where they've been sort of five and three foreign four and five and five with ten acc games. You're talking about another five hundred season so the equivalent in a normal year of another foreign four year in the for all all the good that they may do in winning games they bring to the table as well and the first season. It should be noted without. I believe but foster transition to justin. Hamilton occurred correct. So didn't play in the bowl game like a bunch teams opted out of that bowl game. But you could make a very strong case here. That things are trending in a bad direction. You brought up something interesting on the recruiting front which all of the stems back to recruiting. But if you could for our captive audience. Dan number merely chips over the last couple of seasons for virginia tech relative to some of their peers. In the acc. We'll just the the last five classes have featured five seven seven one zero blue chip players and if virginia tech to me and they're a little bit different than some of the other programs on the list we're going to discuss. This is all relative to the permafrost. I mean they've won games. They've been competitive against good teams but in terms of the trajectory. It's getting colder and colder. And i think in two thousand eighteen when the edmonds brothers both got drafted in the first round. There were five hokey players drafted in that draft in the last two years. They've been one total so there's a direction that virginia tech is heading so much so that whit babcock the a d of the hokies had to issue a vote of confidence that yes. I've called a press conference but no it isn't new fire and announce that we're leading justin food wednesday go because that's where the program looks like. It's heading in terms of in this. I think it comes down to vision. I think it comes down to the little things. Which is there are very few head coaches who can sustain a pretty high level of success. Virginia tech is a big time program. They are a big time program. And frank beamer retrospect. We're probably not giving him enough. Respect not cry. Whatever and so when you look at general direction of virginia tech. I think it comes down to quarterback interesting air from jared jared evans. He leaves after a year to go to the nfl. Wanted to virginia tech. Maybe he believed you as an nfl. Pick whatever he was not not an nfl quarterback promising freshman year. From josh jackson. He leaves ryan willis kansas transfer. Not the answer. Head and hooker promising has injury issues and weird. We don't find information about him early on in the season why he's not playing. It looks like it was an illness. And then it's a braxton burmeister team quincy patterson a blue chip quarterback. He's now north dakota state for somebody who turned paxton lynch into a first round draft pick. There's something about this. Virginia tech offense. They can't run the ball. The sudden cleal herbert's amazing. There's there's no there's no solid ground to this offense and we're talking about also. What was a probable top ten in the country defense in two thousand seventeen that is completely fallen off. Had its moments this year. So there's some combination of justin fool went to not connecting with his assistance not connecting with players on his roster not connecting with recruits. Not necessarily making virginia tech a destination that people want to go to an remain at that. And i know he's got a pretty big buyout. So who knows what. The future holds for just in flint in terms of longevity in blacksburg. Again a big time program. No matter what they've done year in year out these past few years this is a team that it's very difficult to talk about the teams who have succeeded in the acc without including virginia tech. Who would recruit three stars and get them drafted. Pretty high would get on teams first and second teams just doesn't exist that just does not exist in blacksburg right now. And it's hard to see justin day having some sort of revelation and nailing a second act at this point. It's hard to turn around a program that is now just sort of stuck in that five hundred ish area without really threatening good teams in the conference and so i i think they're stuck as long as he's there and yeah i don't mean to you when you watch virginia tech and you see and hooker look electric one week and then has like does look fully unprepared the next week. It's hard to see growth. It's hard to see course reversal and their ceiling is still a big time program. That develops underrated players in the mid atlantic region and can get to fringe new year six territory. By and i i still. I don't i don't change the ceiling. I don't change my perception of the program overall based on these past few years but it's hard to see that course correction under fuente. it is. Yeah i. I'm big on trends when i'm watching team and i think back to. The early days of thinking was brian. Kelly at notre tame like year two or year one but the bowl game. They play the champs sports bowl. I remember against florida state. That was sort of like the apex of the season and they had been building to that point. They were playing really well playing hard. The this was not a great football team but it was apparent that they were building in that they were getting better. And they're gaining some steam in momentum and that that carried through two subsequent seasons Even if it wasn't the best football team there is at least the consistency of effort and to some extent of consistency of results. It would you associate. Virginia tech football with the word consistent. At this point. I mean they've been consistently mediocre are sicily inconsistent right. There is if you can't figure out quarterback and maybe. I'm too scarred from watching. Braxton burmeister with they have it sued social quarterback. It's everyone saying. If after five years and braxton burmeister he made some plays late in the year he had a good game against virginia made plays against clemson. But you know they got blown out by pitting and clemson. It was ugly. I think they gave up ninety plus points and he led them to know. Second half touchdowns is that what i'm saying against pitt. Clemson pit on the road so in terms of where the program is today in february. It's hard to see after five years if you don't have a clear answer or interesting battle for quarterback it's hard to see this turning out alright. We like to talk about you. Get one chance to hit the reset button if you're an amazing coach with a ton of leverage and goodwill within a program you might get to. I've seen that sort of conversation bandied about different places. We're at the point now where. There's just a full lack of quarterbacks. Wanting to play for virginia tech and stay at virginia tech promising he leaves for tennessee right. And so there it is. That's that's the point. That's the that's the point. It's there seems to be something amiss with player quality players. In what we saw caleb farley opt out which is okay. that's a personal decision dealing with bigger issues than just football this past year. He was a bright spot on that defense in the two thousand nineteen season but it almost seems like a day today. Virginia tech internal issue that has yet to be dealt with successfully. Yes top part. The whole thing watching virginia tech week-to-week felt day to day and week to week it. You never really knew what you were going to get. I think that there's a talent issue. I don't think it's an aberration to look at that number of blue chips. See it dwindle. They were tenth in recruiting in the acc. Last cycle not going to act like virginia tech is some juggernaut the game but they should be better than tenth. Tough place recruit to understand that but it's it should be better than and When you see guys outgoing and there are questions about the guys income even on the transfer portal guys. That could have gone out and made more of an attempt to bring in that. They didn't end right over time. That adds up so we had on the show. We love on the show. I think we're a little partial to guys we've had on the show but it doesn't mean anything play ultimately while we talked about the advert bump for a while. Of course they were. I really liked watching evans. The jc transfer early on. I thought they were buying themselves time to develop whoever and it just didn't happen. It didn't happen for them. And we keep. We kept hurrying hurting hearing justin fuentes. His name come up for jobs open jobs and then just sort of dissolved into the ether. You go to miami. Florida state going here and i don't know maybe there's a reason for that. Maybe there's that reason for that. That when people started digging into what's happening in blacksburg they're like i think we're good. Hey dan before we go any further. 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Someone was there didn't go to a bowl. We had retried for the seasons. Did make the fiesta bowl. In twenty fourteen going ten and four lost that game but still ten in three season regular seasons pretty big deal at arizona beyond that it was mostly a five hundred team under retried. Even if you go back to the stoops era of arizona football it it sort of ended up for an eight but was mostly like three and eight or five and seven or out. A lot of those are hard out even in the down ish or the average the foreign five in the pac. Ten twelve five and four arizona was largely a hard out because they would put guys on the field like codeine kerry like. Jj taylor like even a new solomon was looked to be a pretty good bj danker year in a row. He'll tate at the end. They had certain weapons that it didn't matter who they were playing they have these gravitational guys running a pretty lethal rich offense and they were tough out. You were going to have to beat them. Fifty two to forty nine at one forty four. Am to get out of tucson with the wind. Sometimes and i don't know if that's necessarily their season they're ceiling. Excuse me but they've they've long. Been a hard out outside of i. Guess the end of the stoops. The beginning of the end of the stoops era and What was either twenty fifteen or twenty sixteen where arizona's pretty down under retried and than he of course leaves amid bigger circumstances internally but the somewhat higher was kind of a disaster and that culminated with will they lose my seventy two. Seo this year yeah we should also point out that twenty twenty results and circumstances are different. The twenty thirteen year two twenty seventeen year. Whatever but the fact remains arizona has a ceiling of a pretty good program and are now in your your permafrost zone there in the permafrost zone. So that the i guess the most obvious place to start is in the recruiting game. If we're gonna talk about it with. Virginia tech. Let's talk about with arizona. You have to go back to twenty seventeen to find the first cycle. That arizona isn't ranked eleventh in the pac twelve in recruiting. It has not been a strong couple years on the recruiting front. Why is that dan. Why is there a reason. That athletes wouldn't wanna go to tucson as just a destination not totally separate from the fact that you know. Maybe the scheme doesn't fit. What they do blah blah blah but is there is there a knock on tucson as a destination. Tucson's fine i've been to tucson. it's warm It's a school that's into athletics. They've had what national champion basketball softball team. Shutout was jennie. Finch right yeah. It was their incredible pitcher way back when so. It's a school that's enthusiastic. If you've watched narrow zona game against bigger opponent at home especially at night. That stadium can rockin. There's there's enthusiasm for sports. It is a basketball school. There is the element of la being the major population zone nearby where there are a lot of talented players arizona. Just a tougher task that in that they don't have the the pick of the best players in southern california. Asu right now. Based on the profile that's been raised by herm edwards and some of their results big games. And you know if you if you're a top offensive player. You have chip kelly. You have a good quarterback usc to throw balls to you or hand the ball off to you. Whatever oregon's recruiting southern california well arizona needs to me is either some sort of mastermind like rich rod. Where he's going to. He's going to have a such a specific system where he can just identify some players who are a little bit more raw and mold them to his system baby at a new solomon khalil tate. Whatever that he has he has such a successful football mind that he can make it work or at somebody who can come in and tear everything down to the studs. Lay down a new foundation and say this is what a winning culture is this. This is the type of player we're going to bring in. These are the types of coaches. That i have. I have found across the country to come in who have connections to top high schools and high. School coaches are. We'll we'll feel comfortable having me recruit them. Whatever and arizona concede. Arizona can absolutely be that hard out. Eight four seven and five nine and three of everything goes well type of program once again. It's hard for me to see that in fish with the lack of program building experience rich rod had that obviously having someone had that but things were trending pretty hard things are trending downward for rich rod as well but the higher of jed fish when the story started coming out that that was the president's preference not the a preference and that brett brennan enthusiastically allegedly wanted that arizona job with what he's done at san jose state being as impressive as it was him not getting the job it. There are certain reasons that programs can stay down in. That is the type of decision making at the top stays consistently bat. And we're gonna get to kansas. And i worry about that with arizona. I liked jed fishes hires. I am curious to see. How do you succeeded arizona. Well you got convince. Talented players come to tucson. You gotta go to texas a little bit. I would if i were arizona. Go to the midwest and see who you know. I'll esteemed signed me up. I bus to tucson. Well here's the thing. What are you selling if you're arizona. You're selling warmth. You're selling attractive. Humans on your warm campus. So you gotta go to cold places sometimes and say why not. It's not the worst idea. And i agree with you on the recruiting front. You know just looking at these numbers it pops off the page at you that this is a place where you could very easily sell. The weather like sure. It's easy to say now in the dead of winter but when you're in the permafrost needs something needs some warmth arizona's gotten there clearly not selling it and so i don't know what it takes to to invigorate that program with more talent but i think that's where it starts and guy james franklin like he's not going arizona but james franklin can recruit. You need to start with somebody who can recruit the hell out of that program and recruit to a vision. Say this is not just. We're building something special. Be a part of things on the ground floor. Like this is how we're going to use you. This is our vision for the program. This is the type of defense. We're running this is how you're going to be used in this defense. And this is how we're going to develop you. There needs to be a specificity of maybe jet fish has it. i'm hoping he does. That would be incredible if he does. But there needs to be a specificity. That i don't believe kevin someone had in two thousand eighteen seventeen whenever he was brought in that you try to grab a big name because suddenly he just wants a job and you can afford him. That's how you set your program back. Both in terms of culture in terms of talent level in terms of recruiting in terms of reputation arizona lost to their rival by sixty three points again. It's twenty twenty but that's a pretty far far off from where arizona should be. I mean they won. What ten games on. Twenty fourteen at just arizona is not a hopeless place in the way that places like vanderbilt in kansas or rutgers maybe not anymore but can be. I think tucson's in a much better place in terms of being set up to win. I know they redid their facilities. Relatively recently i just think it's very tricky. And if you if you hire two guys who are not fits in a row. You're talking about maybe a decade of permafrost. That's your permafrost yet. Jed fish by the way would not pass the hudson news test. He looks a lot like the guy who coached me in baseball when i was eleven years old. Nice patriots quarterbacks coach or something serve. Yes the quarterbacks coach for the new england patriots and was also think the assistant. Oc some sort of offensive assistant for the rams right as well. So he's got some experience. Like you said bounced around could be fine head. Coach definitely doesn't pass the hudson news test and Came in under awkward circumstances. Where maybe there was a split at the top among who they really wanted to lead that program right this by the way from roger sherman. Here's my stat of the day since two thousand ten only thirty three. Nfl quarterbacks have managed to start eight games and throw more interceptions than touchdowns. Four of the thirty. Three of had jed fish as a quarterbacks coach offense coordinator in six seasons coaching nfl teams coaching for nfl teams. The only fish quarterback who did not throw more interceptions than touchdowns as jared. Goff that's brutal. That's matt hasselback. Chat henny bortles gough. Gough and twenty twenty cam. Newton now is going to go into those seasons. Everything's not always on a coach. Their circumstances beyond coaches control but in terms of what arizona may have had available to them in terms of coaches wanting to come to tucson with a specific vision. It's definitely riskier. Definitely seems riskier. Yeah roger sherman of the ringer just got engaged. Congratulations roger hodge. The best good dude. All right where are we going next. I might have to keep that sound around for beautiful. You wanna talk about kansas a little bit sure. yeah okay. So what at one of the bullets here. We jotted down. Our shared. Doc was has the team hit rock bottom. If they haven't they're kind of bobbing along the bottom. It's hard to get worse than in texas. They seem to do pretty well against sometimes. Yeah it's hard to do worse. It really is hard to do worse. What we've seen at kansas just to recap over the last. Let's go back to the white era. All right twenty twelve one and eleven three and nine three and nine. Oh and twelve to in ten one and eleven. Three nine three nine. Oh eight nine in two thousand twenty. You gotta go back to the mark. Man gino era of kansas football. When they went to the orange bowl you remember that season twelve and one on on the orange. Bowl's big deal but outside of that you are not gonna find any double digit wins going way back way back. In kansas football way way back in kansas football. I'm scrolling up kapadia i. I've got a ten in one season in one thousand nine hundred five under burt kennedy but otherwise there's a couple of nine win seasons in there it's a it's a basketball school right. Yeah i mean at least it used to be. Are they still got a basketball. He'll franken still there. I don't think they're that good this year. Okay but this is not a football program. That is rich with any tradition. They tried to go. The route of some splash. Hires with like charlie weis. Trying it again now with less miles. Yeah i was okay with the less miles higher I think the logic was that they got so bad under david beatty that bringing someone in with a lot of enthusiasm like less miles might be enough to energize the program. I don't know if i was right about in spurts. Yes can they get up for games. Yes texas shore but in terms of building any kind of lasting success. I think you're on the money about like what you said with arizona. You need a guy who's either a creative genius or somebody who can come in and recruit to a very very specific plan. Otherwise on how you do it. You have to get lucky at this point with kansas. There seems to be. And i jeff long went way back with with less miles and hire less miles. Jeff long came over to To lawrence he was the ada at arkansas less miles just hired mike debord as new offensive coordinator who has had stretches of interesting offenses improved things a little bit at indiana and but like is not is in his sixties. You not reinvigorating. Things with mike debord. Maybe if you if all the talent is in place you can have a pretty decent offense but there is an element at this point with how kansas hired with the reputation. Kansas has just in terms on the recruiting trail with the recent results. When you look at recent scoreboards there has to be an element of self sabotage internally. There has to remember the episode of the office. Where michael scott. Alfredo pasta before running a five k like. That's yeah there's something about the kansas athletic department and football program that there is you're starting out with alfredo sauce in your oh no and so they have to get lucky. They tried to go outside with hiring turner. Gill way back when and that obviously didn't work out but there has to be an element with kansas. Football of we are a blank program. We are a blitz like crazy. Take chances on defense recruiting this specific type of player which is going to recruit a bunch of the fastest three star safeties. We can possibly find in the lower plains and southwest whatever who wanna play immediately and this is what we are. We are an option team. You don't have to be an option team. We are spread team with this type of quarterback. And he's gonna play early but before you go out and even find a coach. There has to be an element of we cannot find a retread. And that's what they've messed up doing with. Charlie lyson less miles david beatty was okay. He's a hungary younger player with a good reputation. Recruited well text. Sam didn't work out there. There has to be an element of going out spending money. And what do we see with baylor as they were they were down and out obviously with everything that happened and rightfully so and the go in the higher matt rule they pay him a ton of money and he has complete autonomy. He had taken a program that you know temple was actually in a pretty decent place. How golden was pretty good. Whatever temple is in a pretty good place and he got them to new heights he was able to go to a place that has certain limitations and maximize the th the abilities. Their kansas has to go out and find you know lance leopold. Whoever that says here's a seven year deal. We're going to talk to you for the first three years. Here's a great assistant pool. These are the facilities upgrades you asked for. And the that coach needs to have that specific vision that is uninterrupted by management and short of that kansas is going to be mired in this not even mediocrity but that permafrost and so permafrost right. This is not a program with as you mentioned. This is not a program with a winning reputation of winning history. You go back to you know. The mark ngo years were pretty good until they warrant but todd racing was pretty good. They've had players that they've developed into. Nfl players have gone on to transfer other places to finish their development to get to the nfl. But it's not impossible. It's not impossible but it it's means patients it means identity and it means kind of the if all of my instincts are wrong then the opposite must be right and so if jeff lungs instinct is i'm going to hire less miles who bombed out allegedly and interview with houston and hope for the best him. Yeah he's vegan. Now okay and cool but also you want somebody who so hungry that. They have binders full of their plan. As to what they're do when they're finally a head coach at power five school and are just going to go balls to the wall. That's not less miles. That's just not less miles and so it's fine that piece of funny dude and dyes his hair and is good front of a microphone. Whatever by kansas needs to try at least five times harder than everybody else to convince. A good coach come to kansas. And it's it's going to be money and it's going to be autonomy and anything short of that. It's just another to ten season. Yeah there there is a little bit of a wizard of oz quality to bring in west miles. Isn't there. it's it's great to have the the funny man who everyone likes and can relate to and likes to talk about in the twitter sphere but at some point you got to produce dan and it just doesn't feel like things headed in the right direction it hasn't been for awhile and I recall. I think it was a friend stu mandel when they hired less miles. He's very skeptical of the move very skeptical the move but Acknowledged like hey if you can get a little bit of momentum going and he's got a personality that maybe could turn people on the program and build some enthusiasm. Everyone acknowledged right from day one that it was a transitional higher that right he was hoping to you know maybe breed the next great coach. Who could step in and fulfill that Kansas destiny in well. Here's the thing to happen. The kansas administration also needs to decide because we saw stories recently of should kansas be a football school. Kids feel the football team. Where if gonna pay somebody. Four five million dollars to be a head coach. Can't be less miles like you. The investment needs to be. They're not just monetarily but belief trust vision kind of thing that if you are not all in on football that's cool totally good but don't throw five million dollars into a furnace. Don't throw four million dollars into a furnace. It's irresponsible and can be used in better ways so that kansas decision needs to be made and it just doesn't seem that like when you hire less miles you don't hire somebody with a vision. You don't hire somebody with a certain degree of hunger. You hire somebody who wants to be a head coach. That's it and so. I'm not looking at kansas as impossible. I'm looking at kansas. As you really really really need to have every tool available to you to to burn this thing down and start over and anything sort of that is just not. And i'm talking i mean. What is the kansas football ceiling. If kansas well set of hiring less miles they went out and hired matt. Rhule's somehow or they hired a sean lewis at kent state or they hired somebody who has done a really interesting job a younger guy whatever. What's kansas ceiling as a program over three years they should be able to make a bowl. Yeah and that's i think that's my point. That's the great irony in this. Kansas has been really bad right there their plumbing the depths of college football in the big twelve but is it really impossible to get a little bit of momentum and find yourself middle of the pack in the big twelve clean. Kansas hired chris climbing. Yeah was fired leopold. Yes thinking of that too. It's it's very gettable that nice meaty middle portion of the big twelve not hard to rise at our that level. So you know they're in this awkward spot now or they're clearly not building a program but if they find the right guy i think in a matter of a couple years could they find themselves in that middle of a pack of saying they're gonna contend but if you're kansas you'll take middle of a pack any day of the week of course. I think it's totally doable. But i don't think less miles is the guy. I was enthusiastic about the higher on day. One not some not not at this point. I know better now. Yeah and what it also is going to be is hiring somebody not just with. It doesn't have to be power. Five tracker doesn't have to be a head. Coaching track record but it has to be somebody with a force of personality to go with that organizational and cultural vision. It has to be that person who is going to say. This is how we practice on day. One is that we practice sunday to this. Is how we recruit. Here's our messaging here. Is you know somebody who has that three. Do do better court porpoise jargon for me tie that holistic three sixty thinking right right. He's got thirty thousand foot. View has figured out from soup to nuts. Yeah right. But that's not necessarily. How athletic director athletic directors think. And maybe that's why search firms get involved because they have to go to athletic directors. And say you don't hire will must champ to your head coach. It's it's not necessarily clear that he's learned from his mistakes things like that and so it's a. It's a tough ask. I mean if you're a coach why would you go to kansas. If you're chris climbing why would you go to kansas. When kansas state operationally is a much better place i get that the answer. Is you have to pay him. Seven million dollars and you have to give them a seven million seven year contracts. Something like that right. And it's it's gonna take a big swing and less. Miles was not a big swing. Why don't we do one more team team. And then rapid fire house that that's great. Let's do it. South carolina dan south carolina. Speaking of will champ will much champ relieved of duties after the twenty twenty season I guess during the two thousand twenty season right it. look this. This was always a very curious higher right and there was a nine win season in year q. Of mush champ at south carolina where we started writing and reading stories about how he had learned from his past experience and over the course of time. I just i just kinda lost. Steam loss team will champ reverted back to the mean and what we got instead was sort of a bowl eligible ish run of things here seven year one nine four year two seven and six four eight two and eight in twenty twenty in the awkward season. Now you know look this is. This is much champ stepping into a spot That had been long. Occupied by steve spurrier so big shoes to fill look south carolina self in this by now ashamed beamer. They were just kind of treading. Water will muschamp. And i guess the question is where do they go from here. I don't feel like this is as big of a thaw job as some of the other schools. Certainly not as big as the likes of kansas right. Oh of course yeah. It's all relative though. Because of where south carolina and we could talk about tennessee. We could talk about michigan. Obviously kansas in a much worse place arizona. Much worse place than a school like South carolina or michigan but also south carolina. Not a powerhouse program they got. I'm not saying they got lucky. With steve spurrier because they were just flat out. Really good with steve spurrier but they timing wise. They got quite lucky. That steve sprayer was available. And that steve spurrier wanted to hang around columbia for a decade. That's amazing to have that sort of personality. That's sort of legendary coach. Who wanted to come to your school lou. Holtz did not work out south carolina. Now he didn't he went five and seven twice. Brad scott that ended in disaster. You know you just use power program but south carolina does need that element. Because they're not far from talent they are. They happen to be far less sexy school in their own state of those to power five programs. That's a setback if you're in the atlanta metro area if you're in the charlotte metro area there's talent available to to come to south carolina. But what are you pointing to. Recently with will must champion with the the gamecocks pointing to one year. The offense is interesting but the defense is a nightmare. The next year the defense is interesting. The offense is a nightmare and they're dealing with quarterback injuries and they'll have an interesting player. Like deebo samuel but it feels like a blip how long ago the steamboat samuel. Feel like he was in columbia. It feels like a minute and it's been like a year and a half. So i. I am confident that south carolina has an interesting ceiling. But i'm also confident that it's getting more and more difficult because if you are a good player who is sec caliber. You're going to go to georgia florida. Clemson you're gonna go to a school that's in that state or that's in that division and have a better chance of maximizing your potential. I i look at how. Shane beamer retain mike. Bobo immediately had hired away as not the best sign now. I don't love mike bobo. He's fine he's had some success. But there is an element of a new coach coming in and reacting to his hires with a. Wow ooh i really. This is an interesting staff. This is how good poll that tells me. The coach can recruit both in terms of assistant coaches and on the trail the high school the transfer portal the jc. So everything. i've heard about shane. Beamer is interesting but south carolina's also on kind of a weird treadmill between vanderbilt's and the power schools thing you know they don't have the reputation historically tennessee. They haven't put together a unit as good as recent kentucky defenses would like. What are you selling. Modern south carolina football on. It's a difficult question to answer and so south carolina right now in terms of permafrost need to find a quarterback they need to find very specific onfield vision and they need to recruit like crazy. They need to pull in state guys like they were doing with spurrier with lattimore with clowney guys like that easier said than done given the superpowers in the area but recruiting has to be priority one two and three and there has to be an almost unparalleled culture built in columbia. That is that is very different than what will must champ had there because the ugliness of the end of the month champ era can ever be seen again. Yeah that was not a good way to close out for walmart. No and then the in the disappointing thing is they bring in this recruiter that recruit and then they would feel the top thirty defense like i mentioned but then the offense would be a nightmare or they would have an interesting offense and the defense would get gashed on the ground. Like we've seen the last couple of years and it has to be. I mean if the shane beamer thing works out. It's going to work out. Because he hires amazing assistance and puts together probably he he'd he'll need top seventeen eighteen class annually to get this program anywhere near seven and five eight and four on a consistent basis. Right i mean are you. It's hard to know shane. Beamer is not somebody who has called amazing offenses or defense. he's been a special teams coordinator and seems well regarded as a human which is a great first step. They made the higher relatively quickly because his history and columbia whatever. But yeah that south carolina treadmill where you're never gonna recruit as well as at least two teams. Maybe even three teams considering what tennessee has been able to do on the trail. You're never gonna be able to recruit as well as them. And maybe i'm wrong. I'm always open to that. I'm wrong all the time. But that's that's that first challenge then the second is. How do you keep people there. How do you keep assistance. Like what is what is the assistant pool going to look like if all the sudden offense coordinator defensive coordinator pops and they put together. Top ten twelve unit. What what kind of commitment to south carolina have because it's not necessarily seen as a coordinator destination like some other schools in that area are yet and look. They've done okay on the recruiting trail. You know they're about middle of the pack in the sec. And in given year it'd be middle of the pack this year. Not as much this year dead last but right i think we we consider the extenuating circumstances and maybe take it with a grain of salt but The sec is just so flush talent that you gotta compete on that level. Got real some of these four and five stars in and to your point. You got to have coaches who can build towards a vision and who can build some momentum you know. Build the system build this thing so that it hits critical mass and recruits to itself Will muschamp will certainly not able to do that. Time at least happy that they didn't go in that direction twice in a row where they didn't say will must champ didn't work out. We're going to hold off nc of gus. Malzahn still has a job. And we're going to grab him if he doesn't that's again. One of those things that can set a program. Gus malzahn very good coach. But situationally is gus malzahn to build up south carolina at this moment probably not probably wanted to make it. Work with auburn. I liked to shane. beamer higher. Yeah it's not necessarily go hot head to a known nicer guy or to go defense and then offense whatever. I think that's dumb you just gotta go to the best possible guy. You can find that shane beamer. That's great but go and double retread is just always going to fail. It's always gonna fail. We're about an hour here. Dan okay do you want to hit a couple. Rapid fire do rapid-fire syracuse. Dan where are we at with syracuse. Syracuse won game two years ago when one ten this year man. Five and seven between four and four four eight. Excuse me the first. Two years of dino. Babar's scott shafer air was a mess. Doug marrone was okay. Ryan acid onto pinstripe bulls trigger. Gotta go back to the nineties to find The last time. That syracuse was paul disney. Loni i was paul paschal loaning that was donovan mcnabb. Yeah so that was big east to as dan conference yeah. Syracuse is in my view. A much much much much much much much much colder version of arizona with a sprinkle of kansas and that it's basketball school. You need a coach. That vision and i thought dino babies was that guy i i kinda still like dino. Babar's me too. I think dino babies is a pretty good coach who found himself in a situation in syracuse now. What he's at each for two years then he's at bowling green for two years bowling. Great not an easy place to win. They've had some pretty good coach. Urban meyer was their Way back when. But he didn't hang out at either of those places long enough to sustain success and syracuse is a. It's a tough job. You mentioned the basketball schools in dull. it's i think syracuse is alarmingly closer to ann arbor than it is to miami just in terms of the conference affiliation and recruiting to play football. I don't know it. Just there's there's a sense to me. that high. Three stars in that area are much more likely to go to indiana. Purdue penn state. You know what your. There's not much to choose from in western central new york. I always forget. I think it's central new york. It's like north central north central. Okay i don't blame dino babar's for taking that job because he had been an assistant for so so long when you have that opportunity to coach power five you jump on it because you see where it can lead now. Syracuse has the geographic disadvantage with recruiting. It has that disadvantage of you're taking on teams in your conference that are in. It's night and day in terms of location. I don't know it's you have to get so lucky. You have to get dukes point guard during your offense or something wild like that and he may have just missed his window dino bearers to to make a leap after that ten in three season the thing i like about dino babies is everybody seems to respond to him pretty well personally. He's made good Coordinator hires not always. I don't love sterling gilbert. But i liked tony white from san diego state. I like what he what john lewis did there. Was i think his first two years. Dino babies i two years north central new york so the syracuse job is going to be difficult. And i still like dino babar's but it's another one of those places that the specificity envision even if they're amazing the talent availability is always going to be such a tough mountain to climb. I i it might be one of those lightning in a bottle. Get your grungy. Eric dungy random talented quarterback in portland oregon. And if you're not able to get lightning in a bottle if you're not able to get a couple of interesting transfers from somewhere in the area it's tough to expect annual births it justice and i'm still optimistic. Because there is that weirdness in that dedication is sports that syracuse has and i still do like how dino baber seems to raise. What what we're looking to resonate with players right but there is that element of your need a lot more injury than they've had these past couple of years and you just meal you need to be able to evaluate three times better than everybody else. So let's do real quick hemi me. I'll go quicker than that. Sorry you wanna do michigan you on to vanderbilt. Let's do michigan state and vandross to close it out. We always dunk on michigan in tennessee. So we'll leave them out of this but right it's go michigan state. Let's go vandy so you know. I walk vanderbilt. I think is the easy one. Vanderbilt is perennially bottom tier of the sec. James franklin had a little bit of success there. I think we're really excited about derek mason. High everyone we talked to at the time of that higher was super thrilled that he would go there and thought it was going to work out long haul. It didn't but now bring in clark lee. He's very clearly wanted that job he was all in on. That job. did a good job at notre dame on the defensive side of the football has familiarity with vandy so we wish him well but advani's vans got to bring in talent. Dan recruiting to a school in a city with high academic entry points. You're recruiting against georgia. Tech and notre dame and duke and north western. And you know some of those are in bigger cities but the the level of competition. Vanderbilt's gonna be facing relative to the big ten west relative to george attacker. Duke is facing. You're gonna get embarrassed a lot at least at first and to get embarrassed with a very tricky course load. It's i mean you're you're eventually maybe maybe going to be a part of a rebuild but i i think you're right i think that there can be something solidly built at vanderbilt. I nashville can be a plus by. I think clark is going to have to absolutely nail. These assistant hires. He's going to have to expand. I guess the vanderbilt brand nationally. I don't know how you do that immediately. Other than i guess. Selling nashville selling academics. But then you're competing with stanford that it's it's a tough sell. It's an absolutely tough sell. And so i don't know i don't know that amendment from the school from the athletic department in terms of what they're up against in the conference i think about the jeff collins experiment at atlanta and he selling fell out of atlanta and there have been embarrassing moments. Right watch tech football another embarrassing moments. But i also feel like there is a little bit of steam. Here's a little bit of steam georgia tech and they were plucky in spots this year. They played heart. I don't know if that translates to on field success a lot of times it does but at least you get the sense that there's a very clear direction and a lot of around that direction so can quickly do something similar in nashville will see. I mean history. Says probably not the idea. Though that he went there that he's from there that there's going to be buy in and doggedness to clark early that perhaps wasn't there for some previously failed head coaches and again the the the deck is stacked against clark louis but in terms of the creativity involved in figuring out solutions to problems in having a very specific kind of player in mind. That fits what he's trying to do on both sides of the ball and what he's trying to do with that culture. I think that is an advantage that he is going to try to on earth every possible recruit turnover every stone he has. He seems to have a good reputation. He was in demand last year as a head coach interviewed at a few different places. So i think he has a better chance of succeeding than perhaps derek mason did who had his moments and certainly james franklin did well but on the field i am. I'm very cautious. But there is that element of personal buying that. I can get seduced into enjoy seduced. Seduced him har- hasn't necessarily worked out for jim harbaugh always but still had some good seasons final. One very quickly michigan state go. They're not necessarily in a permafrost situation. It's year to. They don't have a clear quarterback of the future which is troubling the last couple of big cruise to michigan bites. It's still pretty early too. I mean if mel tucker is loan season is twenty twenty as a new head coach. I'm willing to give them some time. The returns recruiting amazing but michigan state can sell a relatively recent defensive identity and try to rebuild things on offense. So i'm not super down on michigan state but i i enjoy mel tucker. I enjoy what his ceiling be as a recruiter as a program organizer. But i'm gonna need to see a promising young quarterback in the next year and a half before i anticipate thawing to me make sense. Are you even when we're talking about big ten schedules. It was like well. They have michigan michigan. State penn state like there is still something in the back of my mind saying michigan. State's is a tough out on a schedule. Even if that's not necessarily the case they still have that reputation to me. It doesn't matter on the football field. But i think there is that element of these. Nfl players went to michigan state. Sure this is what it looked like when we were in the rose bowl or the playoff. Don't look at the results in the last decade and there is that element of michigan state has recently played and one big time. Football games shirt hat sure. Kansas south carolina arizona. All these other schools can't come anywhere near saying well. And hey look. I didn't sell michigan state. Well there's recent success in the last decade. Yeah and that's more than a lot of the schools that we talked about today can say they were in a playoff semifinal. Like five six years ago lost. But they're in. Some big games are in the cotton bowl rose bowl you know. So this is a program like you said with some real history. They've got the recent success of turning out. Really good defenses I don't know how hard you want to her cousins. But there's a starting nfl quarterback and what it's a program that i think could point to stability stability over the last decade. Plus that is not something. A lot of college. Football programs have toward seattle sour with dantonio but still bowl team upon his exit. Now you bring in mel tucker twenty twenty s a weird year. I think you gotta give it some time. But he's a guy who they obviously were very excited about the pay a lot of money come over from colorado a ton of money well and it's not like that program was built on the back of blue chip recruiting eventually recruiting to an interesting place on a mark dantonio. But there's still an element of mel tucker seems to have a big enough personality that they're going to need to go five and seven six and six and they're going to need a guy to pop as an all american they're going to need a guy to pop as the thousand yard rusher or you know making plays that end up on the instagram feet of sportscenter or whatever. The metric is for success in twenty twenty. One they're going to need that initial chunk to build on. I agree all right. Well this has been fun dan. Thank you for imparting some of your wisdom. I know you're passionate nonsense. Yeah i wish you best luck in thawing that chicago permafrost. It's been cold out. There looked at the day looked at three week. I've been looking at forecasts and hasn't hasn't gotten me gone when when in march is it going to start to come back to normalcy. I think early march i. It'll get into the high thirties forties. Okay which is apparently tropical for for these parts right. I mean. I'm wearing long dance to trader. Joe's this is no way to live. You're going to sox. Were to socks to. Sox got a pair of regular socks socks under my wool. Socks got long dance. Got a big old jacket and beanie and you've been you've been out of california for a while now usually it starts to like used to it but in new york. I didn't have to shovel. I didn't have to drive. I didn't have to shovel out before i drove. Just walk out of your building. Get on the train or something like that. It doesn't impact your day to day as much. I swear to you. I'm gonna have learned eventually to complain less. I sorry we're laminant. I nine know. We're all frontier. Listen solid verbal. Dot com is the website for ballers dot com. Is the patriot twice a week. Now in this year off season. I think the show we're doing on thursday is going to be valentine's themed show. Oh you know. We talked a lot about thawing permafrost. Maybe we do that. Courtesy valentine's show. I'm ready. I'm absolutely ready. We're gonna thaw things out promotional for that guy there my good friend dan rubenstein for myself tie hildenbrand as always stay safe. Stay warm stay healthy and stay salt.
02/03: NCAA bans Kansas' Silvio De Sousa for two years; Michigan schools get upset; NC State scored only 24 points (?!)
"Hey there. It's Gary parachute. Sunday, February third two thousand nineteen welcome back to the eye on college basketball podcast where we sometimes discuss Campbell fighting an leaky black sometimes we also discussed Takashi six nine legal troubles. Matt norlander is here with me. And it was an interesting weekend. In college basketball from games perspective. I will be Michigan bowling green beat buffalo. Indiana shock Michigan state at the breslin center. Arkansas shock dillas you at the mayor of each assembly center, North Carolina one at Louisville Mississippi State, wanted ole Miss Virginia tech, humiliated NC state in Raleigh Kentucky, rallied to beat Florida at the vaunted Odom Zion dunked allot, we're gonna get to some of that. Perhaps most of that before this podcast is dumb. But I wanted to start with the big news from Friday night. And that is that the instability finally ruled on Sylvia desouza, and it was not a favorable ruling for Silvio or for as he suspended rest of the season. And all of next season. Other words, the instable a didn't technically Indus college career, but it. Came really close you will appeal, and perhaps the appeal will be successful. But if not Sylvia will not play for Kansas again until the two thousand twenty twenty one season. And that's if he ever plays for canes again at all norlander got a ton of thoughts on this topic. But let me hear yours, I yell. I'll try and be brief here parish because I want to let you kind of take your swings. I do have a call him up that went up on Friday night after the ruling came out at CBS sports dot com. If you haven't read it, please feel free to go go in check on that. I would love to have been in the room or rooms as this decision came to be would love to know, the people on the reinstatement committee, which is not which by the way is not like the committee on infractions that like came down on Missouri and stuff like that different groups operating here within the play. I think that's important to remember there. There are different scenarios and different reasons. Why teams or players might receive suspension Sylvia was trying to get reinstated? And he had this voted against him. I have a hard time believing that human beings involved in this decision could have truly been satisfied with the verdict that they came down on it's completely unfair. I mentioned a particular resolution weirdly enough, by the way. So we're in slack on Friday in Paris, drop, something it could've been all four or five minutes before I actually put it on the page. The solution Bella parish bring it up. I thought that was just way too funny that we were on. The same wavelength their parish because I don't think we'd ever discussed that before heard from a number of people in college, basketball coaches, and otherwise that were frankly, killing the intimately over this one of them quoted in the story, and I you have to have the rule there. But I don't agree with the severity of it whatsoever. This is all tag it with this. Trust me, I got thirteen more minutes. But I'm going to reserve myself on the podcast a lot of what I think is in the column. This though to me is the first indication that the instable a is using plenty of what came up in court. I will remind listeners that Silvio Susa was not sat by Kansas until the very day that the verdicts came down against the three Adidas men in October, and he'd been sitting since then before that he was expected to play. But this is the first instance where we are seeing the instable us what came up in court as evidence to its own investigations in rulings, and it has come down harshly on yet. Another player. That's uncomfortable stance as it takes its time getting to the schools, and the coaches and the twenty nine hundred tournament not going to be interfered with parish. But. It just doesn't sit. Well, with me that you have all of these players continually getting hit with these suspensions with their level of guilt and knowledge in high doubt. And yet they're the ones do on Hernandez Miami. Brian Bowen, there've been others like Ayton who is allowed to play. I can't make sense of what you know. Why one can in one can't and yes for those listening that might be screaming about what about this? I on Williamson factor. I can't answer that for you other than to say that, you know, when that came out, you know, obviously, I made some calls and was told that Duke was extremely diligent in checking on Williamson's background. But that's not gonna stop the cynics and sceptics from basically screaming why is Silvio Seuss allowed to play. When there was a transcript of a phone call between the now found guilty Marocco talking with Kansas assistant Curtis towns in about wise. I on Williamson's. Family member was seeking similar things to what Soviet sucess was, you know, this is a whole messy thing. But Susa should not be sitting two years. Well, I think I can't answer that question of why did de'andre eight and get to continue to play. And why did why Zion playing in? Why Silvio was not allowed to play the answer to that is Kansas held Silvio desert out until it ruled him in eligible at the advice of the incident blaze. So that they could start the reinstatement process. Otherwise, this was going to be an even link the're situation. In other words, if Keynes's because I had a coach asked me this morning. Why did he went all the way back? This coach did the Cam Newton why when this stuff came out about Cam Newton that his father had possibly accepted impermissible benefits for a son to go to Auburn. Why? Did Cam Newton get to continue to play. But then still doesn't. Well. It's very simple. Auburn just said, you know, want we ain't sitting him. We're gonna play him. And then if you guys can investigate and find us or the family guilty of something improper, then we'll deal with that. If we have to deal with that. And we'll vacate if we have to vacate, but we are not sitting down our player that is also what eras ONA essentially did with the eight last season. They said we're not we're going to let him play. We don't think anything's happened. And even if we think something might have happened. We don't think you can prove it. And if you can't prove it some day, then we'll have to maybe vacate everything, but we're going to we're gonna keep playing our player what Kansas decided in advance of this season is that there was a lot of evidence that suggested something improper went on with Silvio Sousa. And if they would have been playing him this season, they would've wrist someday. Vacating whatever happened in the season. Because probably going to have to Kate. What happened last season that's a final four because Sylvia was involved in? So what Keynes's decided, and I think wisely is that we just can't risk that. So they said him out. Didn't they ruled him ineligible? Then they seek reinstatement. And that's how we got to the conclusion that we got two on Friday night that make sense it does it it absolutely makes sense. And it's important. Remember with all of these cases that while motivations for potential instability. Infractions and filings can be similar detail surrounding each player school potential booster are never the same. And it's it's it's the unending problem, frankly with the instable and how it hands out punishments. But Perisher you're you're on the money with that. But was deceased specifically. I do think this was the the truly the first case because the bow and stuff even though suspension came down that wasn't before that case went to trial and a lot of stuff with Hernandez was not tied specifically to stuff that came up in. The trial and just as a quick aside. By the way, we have now had all of the assistant coaches that were tied to the what was to be the third trial. We haven't brought on the podcast, but we should remind listeners if if they're waiting for something that might not even happen now, book Richardson, Lamont Evans, and Tony bland have all pleaded guilty. So there are still dockings and. Doc and Zimmer coach still are scheduled to go to that same trial. Again, it remains to be seen if they will plead guilty. If they do we will not have more potential new evidence phone call stuff that that could come out in that trial because they awfully guilty. It won't go to trial Chuck Person still to go, but we have not touched on the GP. So I figured might as well. Now's a better time than any to bring it up remind listeners, but anyway continue with with. I know you still got plenty of the chamber here on the stuff. Yeah. So because I think. I don't know what the majority or minority opinion is I don't guess. But certainly my thoughts that I shared on Twitter Friday night ran counter to to most people who do what we do. And what they were saying because it seemed like almost a consensus was this socks. This is unfair. Screw the NC double A. And I guess I would just go slightly in a different direction here. I'm on record for more than a decade. Now telling you, I hate amateurism a hate these rules. I think the ridiculous the idea that the instable and basketball coaches and universities can can profit off of the talents of these young people. But the young people can't and the people around them is is I think morally wrong completely outdated and something that I hope does change someday. And sooner rather than later. I hate the rules, but the rules are in place. And so if you get caught violating the rules there is a price to to to pay I feel badly for Silvio because there is no evidence whatsoever. That he knew what was going on. And I actually believe that he did not know what was going on. So when he has his college career ripped away from him. And the really the only thing he's guilty of is trusting an adult in his life. That stocks and I'm sympathetic to that. And it's why I would not have been outraged if the insead ably would have handled this differently because I'm on a very human level sympathetic toward toward his situation by all the counties rock-solid young, man. Good student argh worker who is now being punished for something. He had nothing to do with that sucks. But I don't know what the alternative to punishing him would actually be. Although you referenced it, and I will get to eventually, I do think there was a compromise a reasonable solution here that almost anybody could have endorsed. But I will say the alternative to the instable a affectively ending his college career is allowing Kansas to play a player who was only on campus because somebody paid his guardian to get into roller Kansas, which is why I have no idea how I have friends on that Kansas staff. I respect the Kansas have friends in the Kansas administration. And so I know they disagree with me on every level here. But I'm just being honest. I don't understand how anybody whether it's the athlete director or the head basketball coach at king's as can be so indignant as it relates to this case, I'll make this really simple. The only reason Sylvia Susa is at Kansas is because somebody was paid to send him there. That's it more. Specifically the same guy TJ s Nola who's phone record show. He texted Bill self. And told him he do anything and everything to help Kansas as players that guy. Paid Celia Susan's guardian twenty five hundred dollars and agreed to pay him more at which point Sylvia susa- community, Kansas. Those are the accepted facts of this case, and they'll k- this is in reached that the won't let us a player who is only there because it's guardian was paid to send him there. I mean, am I the only one that thinks that's the funniest thing ever norlander? Please explain to me how anybody at Kansas with a straight face can say they should be able to use a player. The instable has determined is only at Kansas because his guardian was paid to send him to canvass. The reason why Kansas is reacting this way is because from what we understand certain agreements on facts and circumstances with the case had to be made by most both sides in order for the process to even move forward. One of them being that Kansas had to accept knowledge that TJ Espinola would be defy. Find in the purview and kansas's for the for the effects of this case as a booster. And because of that. It's really what what I mean. It's it's really just a hell of a chess move by the instable a here, perhaps it was being pedantic in the way that it wanted to set this up a Kansas was like we have no choice, but to say that gas was was a booster in this case. I'm Kansas Kansas refutes that. But it had to accept that to get to the next point where he would even be considered for reinstatement and the installations. Okay. Well, you know, what if he's a booster? Then this is what we gotta do. Here's here the circumstances surrounding it, and we're gonna we're gonna give him a two year suspension. The point you're making is not inaccurate at all. I don't think Kansas was expecting this harsh of punishment. I'll also add another detail when I sat in that courtroom. I heard cast Nola say that the intention was to pay any foul main Silvio. Uses guardian another twenty thousand dollars, and the only reason that did not happen was the movement of this case, and it going public. So that is also although it's not hasn't been. Detailed extensively by the instable in its release. Or obviously mentioned by Kansas. The motivations of gas Nola to pay foul main were very much on the table. And also, this is why on Hernandez Miami was set for more than a year or would be he's now declare for the draft is because he never technically signed an agreement with Christian doctrines, but he entered into an arrangement. And so because of the intention was there, even though Evan Daniels reported that he received less than five hundred dollars actually had multiple sources confirmed that with me, it doesn't matter in the way you had set forth to do this. And so I think those similar principles are taking play here. Here's what I would say about the booster thing. Because that is what the Kansas athletic director. Was explaining. In advance of kansas's win over Texas Tech on Saturday. He said, listen, they're saying that we had a booster who paid? Silly Susan's guardian to get him to come to Kansas. But like Tito has no not really Kansas booster. We were just told if you want to expedite this process and not have to wait for us to investigate and then rule then you need to label him a booster ruling. Ineligible. And then and then seek reinstatement. So that's the only reason we label gas Nola booster because it was our only real option. We had no good alternative. But we don't actually believe TJ gas dole fist description of a booster. And I understand that that TJ gas Nola might not actually fall under the umbrella of what a booster typically or traditionally is. But here's what I would say to that. I don't care because TJ s Nola bought Silvio Susa for the. Exact same reason a Kansas booster would. Gets paid. See this guardian for the exact same reason, a Kansas booster would to get him on campus because he was working for Keynes's because he wanted things for Kansas. So I don't really care if if you technically qualifies as a booster because his it doesn't change the facts of the case or the intent of the violation when you hear an Alabama booster went out and bought an Alabama football player. Why was he doing that at Alabama booster paid a guardian of of football player? Why was he doing that? To get him to go to Alabama. Well, why was gas Nola paying? Silly guardian to get him to go to Kansas. So the motivation is the exact same regardless of whether he's technically a boost or not he's a guy who works for Dita's were Keynes's head a zillion dollar contract. And he's got text messages that show him telling Bill self I will do anything. I have to do to get you the players that only time I've ever felt you is with the Andrea eight L Awale. Yes. So his motivation is that of exactly what a traditional booster operating outside of the rule. Book. Would do I'm going to pay this person money to get this person to enroll at the school. I want him to enroll at so I I've had some canes. It's fan say he's not really a booster. I don't really care. He was operating. Exactly the way booster would operate. His intent was was clear he wouldn't paying Subbiah guardian to help with the school. He was paying to ensure that he enrolled at Kansas. That's the truth. And the only person denying that is the guardian who is frankly. A liar. And people bring up the Dewan Hernandes thing. I would say this to that the reason I feel sorry for Silvio as an individual and not so much would want her name, this is because one hundred did know what he was doing again the rule suck. But they are the rules and one her name was was knowingly violating the rules. So he gets he gets. I don't care, but Sylvia where I'm sympathetic toward him. Is he didn't know? But that doesn't mean that he can't be punished or shouldn't be punished because these are the rules in place. And if you don't punish a player for the actions of the adults in charge of him. Then that will just go to move. Every what that means. Every time is guardian parent coach, whomever accepts whatever to send a player somewhere. Odds are you won't get caught because it's hard to get caught. But if you do get caught you just say, hey, the player didn't know. And then the incident says the player to know player didn't know that that system does not work. And so if you're going to. Yourself to the concept of amateurism. You've got hold the student out athlets accountable. For the actions of the adults handling the recruitment arrest. There's just no way to enforce the rules. I agree. But I would also extend that to say, well, then that's fine. But if you're going to if you're going to say that the the student athletes are going to have to pay a price, and the and you have to you have to safeguard against this. I understand that then hell for every head coach has his staff. Do something the exact same principle needs to be applied. Okay. Especially with the adults, especially when you know, we all know, the coaches are aware of so much of this stuff that's going on. And if they're not then it falls on them to be aware of it. I'm sorry. But when I see these particular desouza anyone that is trying to make a way to get into play major college athletics as a way of greatly improving their life. Okay. And the motivations of guardians, or parents or whatever that might be working Macintoshes above their head. Who knows how much they don't know. There's probably plenty of instances where the players are extremely privy to this. And they are told to play none the wiser I get that. But you know, it feels a little gross or even more than a little gross. When you have these adults screwing up the screwing up the process and now you've got to do. So who's not like this surefire NBA player and has real world impact on his future earnings in basketball? He's originally from Africa. Who knows what his path is gonna take him on now after all this. I do I do have real sympathy for desouza, and the instability could have been more innovative and creative. I don't give a damn if the current rulebook doesn't allow for it. You know, what the rule book didn't project that we would have an FBI investigation. And by the way, Mark Emmer in that commission enabled change in the rule book and relatively quick fashion, by standards, you could have done something different than just say. You've gotta sit at least two years. Well, the thing that I think the instability should have done even more than because I think you have to punish Silvio Susan some way, otherwise again, it's impossible to enforce the rules you and I are on the same page here. And we both came up with this independent of each other. What I would have done if I were working for the incident. First off let me say this because you made a point you want to start seeing head coach if players are going to be held accountable for the adults in their life. You wanna see head coach is be held accountable for the assistance in their life. And that would mean in theory Indian field at USC, Bruce Pearl at Auburn any other coach who had an assistant coach wrapped up in this FBI investigation. Shawn Miller at Aaron Jona. I would say the rules are written to do that. Now, it's how the coach control charges where it calls. Jim boeheim, nine games and cost whomever else. D- a suspension like the rules are in place to hold head coaches accountable for the actions of the assistant coaches, it's just as it relates to the FBI investigation. The NCAA hasn't even like investigated that stuff yet. So we're not there yet. I would assume someday Shawn Miller is going to get hit with coach control charge and have to serve some sort of something. But what the incident can't do is fire. Coaches. So they will punish eventually the coaches who were running these programs who had the assistant coach while now. But all they can do is punish they cannot fire, and they can make it to school feels like it's in its best interest to fire, but. The system set up the way it set up. I don't it does seem on a very surface level ridiculous to watch Brian bow and never play college basketball and Silvio Susa gets spent for two years, and then the multi-million dollar coaches are just riding along no issues today. But that is the system that's in place. I find it unfair just as you do. Circling back. What I would have liked to have done if I were. If I were in charge of the instable voice there, and regardless of what the rule book says is allowed not allow like let's just get creative. And let's do something sensible. That is something I think most people could agree with I would have said. Civil suits cannot play the rest of season. But at the end of this semester, he can transfer to any division one university. Choose and he will be eligible to play next season that way, you're not further punishing him because he by all accounts didn't know what was happening. But you're also not allowing Kansas to benefit going forward from a player who was only on its campus because somebody was paid to send him to that campus. And that's honestly, I think the would have been better off permanently ruling if you're not gonna accept my my proposal, which is leading transfer at the end of the semester and let him play next season. He's basically he's allowed to play anywhere next season other than gains because we're not gonna let Kansas benefit from a player whose only on campus because somebody was paid to send him there. It's why if you're not gonna accept that. I would have wrote internally eligible before I just did two years 'cause they about this. What if he decides to stick this out for whatever reason and he's on that team and the two thousand twenty twenty one season, and again, let's just play along. He comes one of the best players in the country, and Kansas goes out win the national championship. Can you imagine the outrage if Keynes's someday were to win a national title by by using a player in a prominent role who the incident Belay has already determined only was ever on the Kansas campus because somebody was paid to send him. They're like if you just can't let that happen. And I don't even know why it's so hard to grasp in like some of the Kansas fans. The reactions to this is has been hilarious. They keep bringing up Josh Selby. They say, okay, we understand Silvio had to be punished. But like this is excessive because if you remember Josh Selby took even more in permissible benefits, and he will only suspended nine games. I guess I would just seems unwise to voluntarily bring up your own sketchy pass with impermissible benefits as a way to criticize a current insead. Ruling kind of getting caught cheating on your girlfriend, and then saying, you know, when I got caught cheating on my last girlfriend. She only left me for a month. So I don't understand why you'd break up with me forever. When she didn't because like cheated on her way worse than I teed it on us. Like what you might just want to leave all that ad of it just sort of focus on the president. But regardless I just don't see how the incident lake and allow. A very basic level. I don't understand how the incident Blake can allow in right now still technically possible you if he doesn't win his appeal if he wants to stay Kansas. He can play not next season. But the season after that, I don't understand how you can let Kansas use a player to maybe when a championship who you've already determined is only on campus because somebody was paid to send him there. That's where again, this is different than one Hernandez one Hernandez knowingly accepted impermissible benefits. But nobody is suggesting the reason he's at Miami is because he was given impermissible benefits. He went to Miami and agent the way the story goes was hooking him up poking him up in attempt to represent him some day, but he was at Miami farce. We know he was at Miami. Because that's just where he decided to go to school not because somebody paid him to go to school there. Silly to Susan's only canes. It's because somebody was paid to send him to Kansas. And now someday Kansas steel going to have a chance to maybe win a big club title with him that just. Crazy to me. I we are we are way deep on this on this topic here. So I I only bring this up as I don't even know if it's the devil's advocate, Kansas and self, and that staff would argue that actually Silvio chose and wanted to be there so out if it was simple Silvio, go Kansas. Then you don't have to agree to pay somebody twenty thousand dollars to make sure he does I understand that. I'm just I I'm just putting it out there at least that the because I think I think in the statement from Friday self actually feel like that was out there on Friday. I might be miss remembering that, I don't have a right in front of me. But I thought this that they even made the specific noted Sylvia chose to come here. He wanted to be here at cetera et cetera et cetera. What else are you going to say? I I actually by the way, let me say this in fairness in complete fairness. I will accept that. It might be true that that is where Silvio wanted to go to school. But I you also have to acknowledge that the guardian clearly had the juice in this situation. And when you were an adult dealing with a teenager. It is not difficult ask any coach who's ever been caught up in one of these deals? It is not difficult to manipulate a situation and convince a young person over time. No where you really wanna be is at Kansas you control the recruitment. You can keep certain coaches away. You can try certain circumstances. And you might be doing it because your motivations are all pure or you might be doing it. Because somebody's promised you twenty thousand dollars if you do it. So I'll I'll accept that. Maybe Silvio really did just always dream of being Jayhawk. But that ain't really how the reporting on his recruitment went down. Everybody was shocked when he when he said he was committing the Kansas shocked. You don't you? Don't get shot. Docked when somebody commits to school. They've always you've always thought because they've always said that's where they wanted to go to school. So I'm just gonna however it went down, exactly. I feel comfortable still saying the main reason Silvio Susa was ever on campus campus at Kansas is because somebody was paid to push him in that direction. And I don't know how you can let a school benefit. From a player that it's been determined. Those were his circumstances over under its February third is record this podcast over under April. First Silvio to Susa announces that he is going to pursue a professional career. I would assume that he's going to wait this appeal out, you know, because you know, what difference? Does it make right now, you know, Kansas is gonna peel? There's no real timetable is my understanding. But. If you've already waited it out this long in hopes of maybe playing again in college. Then I don't understand why you wouldn't just wait out the appeals process unless you assume there's zero percent chance that you'll be successful. And I don't think there's ever zero percent chance when it comes to the instable Ed because they're wildly inconsistent. You'd never know what they're going to do. If I were them. I would deny the appeal for the reasons I've already stated, but they might grant it doubt. It doubt. It I would assume he sits this out like he's going to just ride this out. I should say. But if the appeal is denied, then he'll he'll I would assume leave school and embark on a professional career and whatever form, but I don't think he's gonna leave school before the appeal is is determined one way or another. Okay. That wasn't a direct answer. Because I know you don't know the time line, but well, I'm gonna say over. So. Over April first over April first, he won't he won't before April. First announced he's leaving school. That's that's my guess. Yeah. I agree with that. I I think that's probably probably right. But I I I do think he leaves school. Eventually, I don't think he ever plays for Kansas skin. Okay. That's thirty minutes. Let's move on and get into some actual basketball results of the weekend. We're gonna do that in just a moment. But first check this out. What's up? Everybody will Brinson here. I wanna let you the pig. Six podcast. It's the world the universe is only daily NFL podcast features me. We'll Brinson alongside sets guest is Jason lockenfora. Brady quinn. Brian McFadden, and even beat Briscoe we down with starting in the NFL every single day every Friday yet joined by Vegas picking every single game against the spread. He gets you ready for the weekend and get your picks. Locked in make sure subscribe to pick six five anywhere that you listen to podcasts. So no lender. Let's start in the big ten because it was an interesting weekend specifically in the state of Michigan. I know Michigan losing it Iowa on Friday night. Didn't surprise you. Because you pick Michigan to lose Iowa. I would've maybe done the same thing. But I refuse to pick Friday night games. Then on Saturday. We got a another upset involving a Michigan team, which I do think was a surprise to everybody. Michigan state lost in OT to Indiana at home Spar, thirteen and a half point favorites. Still lost rest in peace to Indiana seven game losing streak boy that came out of nowhere. It did. Which one you wanna hit on? I wanna go chronological hit Michigan. Let me bask in my pick. Also, by the way, also had Maryland losing don't bypass both. Correct. Picks there on Friday night perish. They don't count picks. Don't count. That's going to be you know, what that's going to be. Our new quick end of podcasts. Just eleven seconds. I'm gonna pick a couple of Friday night games or perish refuses to although this upcoming week. We might actually have your podcast ready for a little bit before Friday. So we'll see we might actually we might have a twist in that listen I will play a tremendous game. Biggest win of the season. There were not there wasn't a load of big time losses here. But given Michigan losing Michigan state losing in the way that it did Tennessee was in a tight one than pulled away late if Tennessee lost. We really would have had some calamity atop the polls, and it actually would've set up a one versus two Duke for Ginny matchup this weekend this coming weekend. Instead, it'll be number two versus number three point. I'm making here is that sometimes I feel like we can get caught up in the moment of these losses. And we forget historically that you know teams that make the final four playing the title game. We national titles in almost all instances. They will have two or three games in a given season where they stand out as exceptions to the rule of their of their general performance. I think Michigan state falling at home for just a second time in twenty three tries against Indiana. That's right. Indiana is two and twenty one in the past twenty three trips to east Lansing. I think that was a prime example. And then I awoke which is a strong. And actually, Luca Garza quality big man took advantage of breasts stakes who did not have who who had another bad game for Michigan. He's been a a really good freshman, but he's he's really hit some walls here or there. Just a fantastic outing for the Hawkeyes getting a signature win and getting that much closer to being a real instability tournament team that clue tracking toward that now. But it's it took advantage of of a big time opportunity there and was able to score a point per possession against the Michigan that has elite defensively. So for the Michigan loss. I don't think too much of it. I still consider Michigan. Which by the way is twenty into the loss is both reasonable at Wisconsin at Iowa. But still put Michigan in that top five to seven overall tier in college basketball GP, I've not looked at your rankings. I don't know where you have them as I know you'll answer that momentarily and then with Michigan state overall, Indiana doing that. I was just chuckling. Ng watching this game parish because I joked about picking them, and I didn't I wasn't ever going to really take him on the podcast, but you so outright. It's just funny. Like the one game you so outright. Dismiss of course, like we're not going to be idiots. We're not picking Indiana would to win this game. We picked them to cover and then lo and behold, they do it and they do it without their leader. And who coaches will tell you is their best player. Jon Morgan he goes down with six minutes to go in the first half with the shoulder injury. Dude has encountered so many of those in his career, by the way, this joined Morgan has just shoulder problem after shoulder problem that sucks, and they were able to overcome at winning OT get a huge win. Indian now has top three weird resume and all of college basketball. It's thirteen and nine it's four and seven in the big ten, but it has wins over Marquette luvell Anna road win at Michigan state. You can even if you wanna mix in Butler win don't know how much value that has. I don't think they'd be in the tournament. If it started today. But I guess I can almost guarantee you that if they remain bubbalicious throughout they're going to have the best top line wins of any teams that could be really fascinating to see what happens there, but the streak is over gets back going in the right way. I've got I awoke sixteenth in Sunday mornings top twenty five and one. I've got the Michigan team that it beat a ranked fifth dropped Michigan state after the loss to Indiana down tonight the top ten right now if you care confident you probably don't it's one Tennessee to for junior three zag Ford, Duke, five, Michigan, six Kentucky, seven North Carolina. Eight Nevada nine Michigan state and tin market. So yeah, I wasn't shocked that Iowa was able to Michigan. I was good in that building. They'd beaten good teams in that building before even this season. But I mean, obviously shocked that Indiana would go to Michigan state. You just. On a very basic level. You never expect to watch a team on a seven game losing streak lose one of its top two players. And then beat a top ten team on the row like just not ever supposed to happen. It obviously wasn't supposed to happen yesterday. They were thirteen and a half point underdog. And if you would have before tip off said they're starting at thirteen and a half point underdog and oh Joon mortgage gonna play most the game. Well, then what is the line jump to fifteen sixteen seventeen. So that was a massive upset, and I don't know if you saw the post game interview. But art was asked about it. And he was like, you know, they missed a lot of free throws. And that gave us a chance to hang around. You know, basically saying we weren't 'perfect in Romeo shot at the buzzer of regulation just ridiculous in ridiculous in a bad way. And art like, listen, we'll take it though. We're not going to nitpick winds at this point. We've been losing a hole boys lately. So we'll take whatever we get. And if we stole a road game at MIT. Hagen state, then we're going to be happy to snap our seven game losing streak that away. And exactly right. You don't usually think of teams that lose seven straight league games being legitimate NCAA tournament at large candidates, but there is a very reasonable scenario that has Indiana entering March with an opportunity to get an at large bit. I don't think that's crazy. We'll see what happens there and see. We don't have time on work, and how long he's going to be out or not see Phil take cortisone shots and can get back out there soon, Indiana. Now, does it gets next to at home Iowa that respond how they responded on Thursday? And then then Ohio State and then at Minnesota, we'll see I don't know never lot of work to do. But their their resumes shaking out in a really in a funky way. They need to accrue more wins in a big way. And I would I would argue help themselves significantly if they can steal one of their three remaining road games at least one at Minnesota at Iowa and Illinois. Oy before they get the season only road opportunities. I think they gotta get at least one of those two also booster overall chances. But we wait and see as the net rankings refreshed, Indiana bumped from forty four to fifty for people that are curious on that. And. Wofford twenty eighth. So that's our that's our podcast update. That's going to be happening. The rest of the way Wofford twenty eight that means they were quad one opponent, regardless of venue. Shouts to the terriers. Shouts to Spartanburg of these two things. What was the more ridiculous for junior tech winning by twenty three at NC state and holding NC state to just twenty four points or Memphis falling behind twenty seven to one at USF, which leads to Jeremey Martin scoring forty one points all in the second half comeback attempt that came up just short. I mean, those are some really wild things of ACC team being held at twenty four points in a game and ACT falling behind twenty seven and one and not like to Virginia, but to USF team that is fastly improved. But still energised today just four and four in the American and Jeremie Mark getting forty one points in the final twenty minutes of a game. What which are the that was all kind of ridiculous, right? Yeah. Man. Sometimes I love the sport. Because it's just stupid. We had that yesterday with the Memphis thing. And I know you're going to eventually return serve on this aisle. Just say this the start of that was absurd. You know, as since penny Hardaway's people are jealous of us, and my MBA background. They've dropped two straight. And they got off to that. Brutal. Start back to back losses albeit both on the road. Memphis, thirteen and nine I think this is about going what I thought it might be for him. But Jeremiah, Martin dropping forty one and a half is just stupid. He is one of according to sports reference. I looked it up sports. References data has sixty one players outscoring NC state alone. I since got a number of responses on Twitter said well, this play wasn't accounted for in. This could player wasn't accounted for in one person in particular had actually the number is seventy seven player. So whatever it says at least sixty one or as many as seventy seven players on Saturday outscored NC state GP. This is this is bonkers. I mean bonkers ranked team at home going against a Virginia Tech T. That is good. Don't get me wrong there. Virginia Tech played like crap as well. It played terribly. Put forty seven points on the board in one in blowout fashion. You never see this ever. And I mean ever this is the lowest in the shock luck era. But we're talking ranked team at home in the mixed installation tournament, it's scores twenty four points. It scored two in the first ten minutes of the game it managed four in the final ten minutes of the game. It averaged point four five points per possession. I think this is so notorious that if NC state gets into the tournament, and we'll see what wins it can have. It's going to be like a home loss to a quality team. Almost never gonna cost you a seed line. I think this will it is it is so agreed Asli terrible. I I don't get it. This is the that famous screen cap. And I think I think someone someone messed around with a graphic, but there's famous. Famous college football screen calf with with beamer and tech is going to overtime with Wake Forest zero zero. And he's got his hands up like he won the national championship. This is that for college basketball. You have a forty seven twenty four final. Just so weird last thing on this NC state was twenty seventh and Ken palm and twenty-second offense of officiency at the start of this game. It is now forty seconds in Ken palms rankings a fifteen point switch regardless this late into the season. When you're dealing with twenty plus games worth of data is. Outrageous and dropped from twenty second offense efficiency now is fifty sixth overall it is it is hard to do more damage to your resume in one game against they major conference opponent that's ranked than what NC state did. I texted buzz Williams after the game. I was just like what in the world was that? And he takes back. You said it was bad ball. But it was a good fight. And I I don't know people realize the Memphis weird game and the NC state weird game. We're both happening at the same time. And obviously one involves two ranked teams and the other involves to unranked team. So there's a larger audience for in state for Gina tech than Memphis UCF. I had them both on. And so people are tweeting all my God. Are you guys watching insead state? This is embarrassing. If you've seen these like, huge check out Memphis yet. Like Memphis was performing worse than NC state. NC state was performing. ACC all time low. I mean, it was crazy. And to your point about penny. I've got some obviously a lot of friends who are Memphis. I live in the Memphis area. But some of them are sensitive to the criticism. So, you know, Jeff Goodman, and Jeff Eisenberg other people were getting their jokes off right about penny. Hardaway saying earlier in the week that other coaches were jealous of his staff. And so now everybody got jokes. And they weren't you know, my friends are like why is why is good penny. And I'm like, I don't think Goodman hates pin. I think when you say what penny said. And create headlines with words anytime somebody's got an opportunity to get jokes off. They don't get to jokes off. It's a little bit to a lesser degree. Like Jalen Ramsey situation with the Jacksonville Jaguars. Remember when he was just talking crazy about every quarterback like been rob Pittsburghers songs and Matt Ryan socks and didn't really matter if he was right or wrong. He was just like calling out all these guys. And so then this past season everytime. J the Ramsey compete for touchdown, especially if it was by a quarterback who had criticized like it was all over Twitter. I seem Jalen Ramsey. I watched that do get beat for more touchdowns that season than I watched anybody else. And I don't even know if that he might be awesome or had a bad year. I don't even know I just know that every single time he got exposed. It was a big deal that everybody wanted to bring attention to because of the way because of the things he said in the preseason and with penny this past week. It's the exact the exact same thing. Like when you're going to create headlines, we'll words people are going to be very. Anxious to to to put those back on you as quickly as they can as intensely as they can. And when you say that on a Monday, and then spend the week getting blown out at Tulsa and fall, a high twenty seven to one at USF will then you get what you get you get what you get and I didn't really fully get, and I am begging you not to go back into like a radio segment into this week. But I I I'm truly backing, but I didn't quite get where he was coming from. Because I have not felt as though that's the case. Now, he might staff might have a certain. Perspective on this that they feel like other people are jealous of them. I don't think that's the case. But whatever it is. It is not been sure I mean, it's been glorious for you. There's no doubt about it. He has he has provided that program for many reasons as provided a lot of good copy things that discuss this is the latest and now after saying it has dropped two games. And his team is not good in the process. Jeremiah Martin's superman impression excluded overall. But but we'll wait and see again. This was always just the test your let's just see how things go the more real analysis on Hardaway and his staff and their coaching and what they can do. We'll come once Weisman's on campus. So North Carolina a one at Louisville and Kentucky one at Florida. We're going to get into those games next. I here's this. Hey, just because the fantasy football season's over doesn't mean. We don't have plenty to talk about. And that's why the fantasy football today podcast gives you episodes year round coming at you. As per week during the off season to catch you up on the latest news and get an early start on your two thousand nineteen preparation. Check out. The fantasy football today podcast right now. So you and see one at Louisville UK one at Florida norlander. I wrote about one you wrote about the other which is the more impressive win. I think it was the game that you wrote about parachutes, I think I would lean toward Carolina. Not not just because it's the revenge win. You know, frankly, the better team Lewis better than Florida. The way the Kentucky one was impressive to me in that. It's Kentucky is is showing that it can win in different ways. Like if you watch that game. The I seventy five percent of it. You suck a Florida teen that looked to be in control and on the verge of getting a really important win. And then Kentucky just locked down. Defensively in a way that was really impressive Kelton Johnson. After being consistent hit some good shots. Made some good plays PJ. Washington was consistent Tyler here. Excuse me. Tyler here was well, North Carolina was looked like such a more motivated in different teaming is Louisville than the home law. So that that had taken on. And that was the last time that UNC is lost. So a big win for you and see which is now. I think Kentucky and UNC and getting their wins yesterday. By the way, they are. I we've maintained the Kentucky's right there in terms of national title contenders. I dunno fluency has been there and dropped out and been there, whatever. But my point is those teams now particularly in light of the Michigan schools losing like we are. We are you know, it's hard to get our arms around all the teams at this moment that are that are in that discussion from Virginia and Duke, Gonzaga, Tennessee, the Michigan schools throw Kentucky North Carolina in there. If you want as well, and Kansas, you know, by the way, gets Susan news and just destroys Texas Tech. That was an impressive performance by them. And they got some good stuff out of Dotson in a body. So anyway, I was a little more impressed with UNC. But both teams get Goodwin's and the top shelf of college basketball continues to seem relatively thick ROY set down his post game press conference at the yum center on Saturday. And he said I just feel like Chris and I switch spots from where we were three weeks ago. And it really is what happened like Louisville went into Chapel Hill and just over. Carolina start finish. And then three weeks later. Carolina goes into the center and just overwhelms Louisville from start to finish completely destroyed them on the glass. I put this in the column. I don't know if you saw belivel- little miss thirty six shots in the game and only grab seven offense of rebounds. Which means North Carolina had a defensive rebounding percentage of eighty point six. That's a better rate that any of the any team in the nation currently possesses on the season. And then on the other end of the court North Carolina grabbed eighteen of the forty Phil goal attempts it missed which means UNC at an offensive rebounding percentage of forty five point zero. And that's a better rate than all. But one team in the nation currently possesses on the season. So they is absolutely edema had no problems and had no problems. Even though leaky black one involve no leaky black, and they get it done GP that was that was all the more impressive. But I believe that this is another one that I had I think you took Louisville. On the Friday. Oh, I did not you're gonna have to check that. When I took I took North Carolina. I actually expanded on the thought I said, I know the makes no sense to watch Louisville pound North Carolina North Carolina, and then was gonna lose at Louisville to North Carolina to the same team three weeks later, but it would be the perfect college basketball thing like that's the type of thing that happens in college basketball, all the time. And so I will take the tar heels on the road. We were in agreement on this game. It honestly was a lot like what happened in Oxford yesterday. Just a few weeks ago. Omiss goes to Mississippi State beats Mississippi State here, we are another Saturday. Mississippi State goes to ole miss beat Sule miss like these things happen not saying they make sense, but they happened fairly regularly in college basketball day, do and that's why that's why we love it. We have a good time over although not I say somewhat noisy weekend. But not an exceptionally noisy weekend. Overall to player performances shout real quick MCI Mason, a Baylor drop forty as. They want again and Chris Clements who I believe you've talked about on inside college basketball recently. And I know we mentioned on the podcast. He is he is trending toward three thousand points in hurry. He had thirty nine. And I don't know if that team's going to get to the tournament or not I really hope it does. Because listen, everyone loves the simply tournament small school team with dude under six feet who can just straight ball Clem is one of the best ever in that exact mold at that role. And he he went out and did it again Campbell one. We'll wait and see if in its tournament, but he should be at three thousand points before we get to March. Dietrich loss and also had another big game for canes. That big twelve player of the year, we go back and forth from like, it's obviously Dietrich loss into maybe Jarrett Culver sneaks in there. But. Another big game. And that was a huge win for Kansas to your point on Baylor. Six in a row, and like it's like thirty points at Oklahoma twenty six points over TCU. John gas away tweeted earlier today, the efficiency numbers just from. I don't know maybe January first through today. I don't know the specifics maybe it was from the start of. I dunno whatever it was. But Baylor's like the best team is playing better than anybody else. In the big twelve right now, I did not put Baylor in the top twenty five and one, but I actually wrote about them extensively in the post just explaining that because frame for Sheila from ESPN tweeted that Baylor is going to be ranked on Monday. And I think there could be ranked on Monday. I don't know that it's a guarantee, but the argument for them would be exactly what gas away tweet it which is better than anybody else in the big twelve right now and have been for a little while the argument against him is and this is where I fall, I'm more of a body of work guy than a who's hottest right now guy. I know you and I address approach our rankings differently. And that's fine. It's all subjective. And there's different ways to do this. But I am mostly a body award guy. And they still got two. To horrific losses on that resume. I think it's Texas southern loss and a Stephen F Austin law, simply put nobody would losses like that multiple laws like that is even sniffing the top twenty five and one the idea that I considered Baylor. Despite those things on the resume is evidence of how well they've been playing, but I will not use the politics column on anybody who ranks Baylor on Monday, because it's a reasonable thing to do even if even if I'm not doing it, Scott, drew would probably and keep in mind that three weeks ago, we sit crispier does. Absolutely. So this stuff can change your voting today. You maybe have to go Scott drew big twelve coach of the year. I think so when my ranking my power rankings, which are obviously weekly update Thursday if Baylor wins at Texas on Wednesday. I'm salmon have no choice mind is more of a have you done in in recent weeks, if not days and have you looked doing in Baylor's been incredible from three point range, and if they win they're gonna be seven to at that point in the in the big twelve I'm going to have to put them in squeeze him in the naturally from rankings perspective the teams that are in that fifteen to sixteen range all the way into even. They don't land on the page, but twenty two twenty three it's been kind of a cram. It's been it's been a tough squeeze as of late. Now, you get Baylor in there. It's a it's another one as well. But but yeah, anyway, we wait we wait and see on that you wanna make our Super Bowl picks. Do you have a Super Bowl pick? What do you mean? Of course, I was to pick. Why would I not have a Super Bowl pick, Jerry you're Super Bowl pick? Then. All right. I'm going to share mine, and you're gonna share yours with a score to. I hope I'm gonna go score a Gami. Do you know what score Gami streaky? No idea. What you're saying right now. Okay. Score. A gummy is a cool little deal here. I think it was the term was either the the idea or the term was originated by John boy of Espy nation score Gami is win a scorn and NFL game happens that has never happened before. So for example, as you would obviously be able to guess like the scores seventy two forty eight has never happened in NFL game. If if the Super Bowl ended, and it's not going to. But if it did and with ram seventy patriots forty eight. That would be an NFL score gummy. So my fish prediction will be score. Gami however, unlikely to be and weirdly enough, I would think that in the history of the professional National Football League. We would have had a twenty five to eighteen final. But it has never happened. So I'm going patriots. Twenty-five Rams eighteen NFL score. Gami? What is your pick GP get to twenty five at three touchdowns. And what you do how do you into twenty touchdown in there? Maybe an mistakes point. We're combination of field goals, maybe mixing a safety. You can get there. I mean, there's listen there's there's there's been twenty five thirteen games. There's been twenty five fourteen and twenty five twelve and twenty five ten and twenty five six games before. There's just never been a twenty five eighteen game going Rams thirty four twenty seven. Okay. You follow the NFL more closely than I do. Isn't it true that the Rams have been considered the better team all basically all season? Yes. I would say more. Yes than no. By the way, thirty four twenty-seven has been NFL final forty six times. Just so, you know, but yes. That is true. But I don't think the gap is that big. Okay. But I'm gonna get three points with Sean McVay the goat and go girl. Calling son McVay the goat when he's going. Bella check. What showman? Showman face. The goat already pretty pretty clear to me. Just throwing around terms like this. This is this is actually one of my side. Like who cares? But like people drop like this stuff and sports now, it's just it. It has become so commonplace like what is even mean anymore. But anyway. Thirty two years old brilliant offense of mind in the Super Bowl and got a smoke and girlfriend. He's the goat. I tell you. What if the patriots lose this game? It will Mark back to back seasons in which and we'll see how the game plays out. It will Mark back to back seasons in which the patriots would have lost the Super Bowl against a coach with an innovative approach to the game Belichick gets credit for that as well. But but that would be a theme because what Doug Peterson the eagles did last season. Obviously with the with the Phillies special in kind of helping clinch that Super Bowl just keep an eye on that. I doing quarterback was born a senior I was born we really out here. Trying to pretend to my born the same year. I was born gonna win the Super Bowl company is not forty nine. That's not true. What are you talking? You every time. I say somebody I was like Tom Brady was born the same year. I was born in there like there's no way. And I'm like, I know I know he looks older than me. But it's true. Tom Brady is only like six months younger than I am. But both born in nineteen seventy seven where are you going to watch the game here GP, mentally hosting a Super Bowl party at fits casino in tunica with Jerry, the king Lawler, wrestling, icons, me and Jerry the king down. GP? You have lived some life. You're watching this with Lawler. How did this even happen? On like, it is kind of cool for me on a very basic level. I grew up idolizing Jerry Lawler like you cannot overstate how big wrestling was in Memphis like this. Andy Kaufman win through his wrestling thing. It all happened in Memphis. You know, all the big came through here at one time. Hulk HOGAN, Randy savage, the rock every like Memphis. Wrestling was the thing. It was Memphis. I think first real professional sports franchise. They had the mid south Coliseum that seated like nine ten thousand people and it was sold out every Monday night for Memphis wrestling. Jerry Lawler was the biggest star. And so when you talking about the biggest figures in my childhood, it wasn't like Larry Bird. Magic johnson. It was like Keith Lee in Jerry Lawler, and now and then over the years, I've because of my job I've been in the same circles, Jerry and we've gotten to know each other I wouldn't say we're firm. Her friends, but we're certainly friendly like when we see each other. It's always doing and like the seven year old thinks that's the coolest thing in the world as it relates to this today. I dunno fits just reached out to me and said, hey, would you be willing to host Super Bowl party with Jerry Lawler? Here's what here's what we can pay. And here's what we can do as far as rooms and dinners, and it all seemed like it all seem like it's worth doing. So that's where I will be a little later on today. I'll be done in tunica at the sports book and at the fits casino with Jerry, the king Lawler might even wears crown for minutes. He'll let me I think you shouldn't try and get a photo of that. That should be to be a good time me, you know, with the still the baby four months old, right? We'll be chilling. And actually, that's not the worst thing. Sometimes it is. It's totally fine. Just to hang out at home with the family take in the outside of this. When you go to Super Bowl parties, I find I don't I don't really I really don't care that much about the commercial creativity as much as I guess, maybe I wanted. But when you're at a party, you never. Really hear the commercials and the stuff that people wind up talking about the next day. In fact, even the game you often it's hard to focus on and I'm not that invested in the game this season, I'm still recovering from bear's loss, and in just tragic fashion. But but yeah, just chill at home here. And then once the Super Bowl wants to Super Bowls over NBA more. So than college basketball, but basketball at large really does take up a lot of the attention in the in the sports world as it rightfully should. And I'm eager man February's here and believe it or not as we record this cheap. E is it six weeks to selection Sunday. I think that's the number. It's coming fast. I have to ask Rosty, he'll know. He would he he's got it counted down to the day. But it is it is approaching fast. And yeah, it's that time of the year. I mean, you know, what I realize what makes me realize more than anything else that football is over in the I guarantee this happens to you to the amount of radio request. You get starts to triple starting tomorrow because people aren't talking football anymore because it's over. Yes. They'll be weighing more requests for college basketball guest on radio shows than there has been in November December does that happen to you every year it does. And I think some of the radio hosts actually on the podcast that we thank you. I'm gonna put this out here right now this year because I'm like a work at home dad with two kids. I just can't do them. I as we have to juggle so many things with our schedule even to make these podcasts happen when we can do them the the idea of going on radio shows, and I am super preached. If the opportunities. But if you want to do at eleven o'clock on a Wednesday night like I can turn that. But three o'clock in the afternoon when I could easily have two kids screaming their heads off and crying. It's just not feasible. But yes, you're right. The content of sports radio adjust in a hurry after this. And then once March hits, it's the great irony. That's when they really really want you on and we're never busier than in March ever. We'd have no free time. So I'm glad you brought this up and because. I feel guilty all the time because I have to either ignore or decline radio opportunities, and I feel guilty on just for obvious reasons. But also like I host a radio show where I need people to take time out of their day to be on my show. So then like, I feel a little ridiculous declining. The same opportunities on other people's shows. But the truth is like we have so much stuff going on. It's very hard for me to do anything. Additional to what I'm already obligated to do every day. I fly every Monday and on Tuesdays. I wake up in New York. I have to ranked stupid basketball teams that I have to do a radio show at then I have to go do a television television. Tell me studio till one A M then on Wednesday. I wake up record a podcast rank basketball teams do another to our radio show, then television all night then Thursday, I'm flying straight into town. Do a radio show than Thursday night up. Reintroduced myself to my children then on Friday morning. Wake up rank basketball teams podcast do another radio like I feel bad when I have to tell people, you know, I really don't have time. But it's like we really don't have time, and I don't wanna get too much into your personal life. But like you juggle and a lot every day in at home while you're trying to work, and it really does become overwhelming. So I guess what I'm saying is if we aren't able to appear on a radio show, if your producer ask us to please know that. We wish we could. But the days are ridiculous right now. They are. But but yes, still try and make time regardless nine asking for any listeners to share pity on us because we love doing this podcast. Love listenership, and this is the it's it's the busiest. But it's also I do believe the February March I just love this time of year. I really really do. So hopefully, we got a great Super Bowl on CBS hopelessly. It's another tight one with the patriots seems like everyone they win a about three points or fewer we wait and see. But we both have you have the Rams winning the pats winning. Also, let the record show you are not willing to make a Friday pick on a Friday podcast. However, you are willing to make a Sunday pick on Sunday podcast. Caught me in there. And by the way, speak for yourself. I do want listeners to show pity on me. So you don't have to Lander. But I would appreciate it. If you would recognize just overwhelming my life can be sometimes shafter Devon, Danny chest Carolina Shasta, Terry fatigue. He's alleged to learn now and remember, go subscribe the college basketball podcast via apple podcast. You guys have been great about doing that. Thank you so much. If you've already done it if you haven't yet, it only takes a minute less than even so do that subscribe at favorably five stars favorable comments. And. Oh, you forever. And appreciate you for even longer than that. We've got to talk to you again on Wednesday morning, maybe even late Tuesday nights. 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Now that the san diego padres thrown their first no hitter and luke epstein will be here for a conversation about his book our team on the nineteen forty eight cleveland indians and the lesser known story of the second black player in the major leagues. Larry doby. i'm in washington dc. I'm the author of the queen and the host of slow-burn season four on david duke. Also in dc. I think i got it right this week. Stephan fats author of the book. Word freak a few seconds of panic. I just live in fear getting your location wrong. Stephan you toward the paint off the walls. Last week i did. I mean it was pretty obvious where i was or where i wasn't. I mean you know what my background looks like here in dc. Is there a broncos helmet. Yes okay. I think we're good. Yeah i think you are in dc and with us from the west coast. The reliable joel anderson slate staff writer host of slow burn season three upcoming season sex. Hello joel yoga more. Do doing well. have you. Thought about putting a petit helmet. I don't have any of a lot of. Do you have any stuff yeah. Do you have a helmet. I know. I don't think people were getting helmets. Back in the ninety s. Like that i have like a little bit of warm up gear and my old cleats which i think. I'm pretty sure i stole. I don't think i was allowed to take those. But i took them anyway. That shouldn't case them in lucite. Maybe more maybe to the tcu sports hall of fame. Yea share that. They could use a door jam or something like that way no jersey. You know. I wasn't good. I shared i- i- suited up only a couple of times for home games. You know what. I think my name was on the back of it. I couldn't even tell you. But i definitely handed it back in after the game got it washed and i didn't get to keep so. Are you one of those college. Football players ties to share a number with another player on the roster. Because there's like two hundred guys on the sidelines. I had three numbers two years. I came in twenty five. When i suited up for game i was thirty. Four and then my the next year i was seventeen. For some reason. I just was leftover clearly Which actually would have been a cool number for ryan back but yeah i mean i. I didn't register any stats or anything like that. So pretty sure they were just like whatever kid. Just take whatever number. We got seventeen stephanie. You gotta love that running back. Yeah absolutely yeah. That's good yeah. Major league baseball opened. Its regular season on april first. The washington nationals didn't open their regular season until april sixth because almost a dozen players either tested positive for the corona virus or may have been exposed to it on the other side of the continent. The nhl's vancouver. Canucks are in the midst of a two week. Cova hiatus as at least twenty-six people in the organization including twenty two players have tested positive all apparently for the brazilian corona virus variant. Meanwhile baseball is welcoming. Fans back into stadiums and the nhl and nba are two nfl. Commissioner roger goodell told reporters that he expects full stadiums come fall and fans in khaki shorts and pastel shirts. Where crowded together at the masters over the weekend. Josh sports remain in very weird. And it still feels a very tenuous place though. I guess you know when you're your lizard brain kicks in it's like wow. It's cool. Their fans in stadiums cheering baseball games. It's patrons at the master's stephens fans. Oh my god Are we going to be cancelled. Now by the regrettable move by so over the weekend. I went to see some outdoor music on like public kind of lawn thing not that far from where you live stephan. It felt really nice and people were distanced and most people were wearing masks. And i felt pretty good and reasonably safe. I've had one vaccine at this point. And so i think that the baseball stadiums for example that are open at like twenty percent capacity or twenty five percent capacity which is the vast majority of them. I don't personally have any problem with that. And i think in this purgatory moment that we're in. It's just this like constant internal push and paul about like a really want to be out and doing things and going places. And it's an understandable human emotion and impulse which i have felt and i have acted upon and so i don't think i mean you guys are welcome to say super ever you want but i don't think i can sit here and be like how dare they go to the masters or how dare they go to the games but there are these sort of about liars like what's happening in texas the texas rangers stadium where i just saw the video of the opening day crowd on twitter and it was just like so revolting and horrifying to see a full baseball stadium in this moment and so it is just interesting. Where when you see a of smaller crowd dollar. At least when i see kind of a smaller crowd i'm like oh that's nice. It's like vision of the future. Muzio larger. This is the dumbest thing i've ever seen in my life and like i can't imagine ever being in like a crowded space like that ever again in my life. Yeah i mean. I think that we're pretty much sort of through the looking glass. This thing right. I mean we've always sort of been building up to this moment and somebody was going to have to fill the stadiums. I if somebody was going to do it maybe they didn't have to do it but somebody was going to feel their stadium up first. And that's what it's going to look like and we're just going to have to deal with it. It was because there's going to be in texas a florida right like one of the to the right because the marlins and the raise aren't gonna fill their stadium under any circumstances right exactly like if they welcomed everybody in with free tickets stood. They still probably couldn't sell it out but yeah so inevitably this was going to happen. This is going to be the same we have. It's just going to be a test of will find out soon enough whether or not. They hosted a superspreader event there in arlington texas. We'll find out soon enough if you know. Our fears are overblown. But it's hard to think that. I mean you know people still being hospitalized. They're still spikes and places around the country. People are still dying of covid around the country. So i mean we're basically still having the same fight we've been having in the past year. Except now franson is have more discretion as to whether or not they want to fill out their stadiums. And you know i mean. I'm sure that jerry jones if he was given the chance you know today if i if there was a way that he could host an event there at cowboy stadium at full capacity. He probably would do it and he would be allowed to. And i think that's something we're going to have to get used to in the next couple of months and hopefully it doesn't drag us too far back into the battle days of winter when you know the pandemic was at its worst but i kind of feel like the argument over this is over right steph. I think arguments definitely over. And i think it's going to be one of just personal preference. Are you willing to go. Sit on a lawn and tony. Upper northwest dc. Where people are going to wear their face masks. Or are you willing to be a patron sprinting toward the award ceremony at augusta which was like the weirdest one of the really weirdest images i saw in the last week. Overhead shot after the decky. Matsuyama wins the masters. The fan sort of rush toward the area where they're going to hand out the awards and let them put on the green jacket and it was just really odd. And i've become interested in the forensics of all this looking at the videos and seeing how many people are wearing masks or not. I looked at one picture from opening day in for the texas rangers. And i counted eighty three people in the image sixty seven of them. Were not wearing a mask eighty-one percent. So i don't know at this point. We're also going to face the reality that a lot of people are getting vaccinated and a lot of people in texas are getting vaccinated. So i think we're going to have to be less judgmental about crowds than we have been for the last year but i think that's that anxiety of watching big sporting events with lots of unmasked fans is still going to exist. So vouch has said in reference to a place like nationals park. Which at this point. I think is twelve percent capacity. That's right at the bottom of baseball. But i think the nationals and the red sox are twelve percent he said if you have an appropriate prudence spacing of people. The risk is very low. The said about the rangers critical of that. But that's i would not start off with one hundred percent capacity very political statement there from dr fauci. But you'll recall that last year in florida to santa's gave all of the team's permission have fo- capacity then and it was only due to like the forbearance of say the miami dolphins that we didn't have a full. Nfl stadium in twenty twenty. So i think you're right. Joel that people like jerry. Jones are obviously. What's what's going on with the rangers baseball team. That the kind of social stigma at least in certain places around allowing phantom at full capacity has has lessened good thing. We haven't seen this event earlier and one conversation that some of our colleagues. We're having today. That i think is really interesting is around is. They're just going to be a day. When people stop wearing masks is gonna happen really gradually are people going to start wearing. Doug tags that say i've been vaccinated so going to be an i'm with two doses of moderna t shirt you can wear our stadium's going to require people to have vaccine cards. I'm greg abbott would be happy about that in texas the yankees and the mets are apparently requiring full vaccination or a negative cova test. No i think that you know. I think anything is pretty much possible at this moment. Right now is we're still sort of moving towards would a post pandemic life looks like and you know. As as i mentioned people were still sort of dealing with this. I think the person that baby sort of best typified the national sports mood. You know people that are involved in sports with somebody else from texas baylor. Women's basketball kim mulkey After baylor was eliminated from the women's basketball tournament a couple of weeks ago. And i think she didn't receive a lot of heat for this because the new cycle sort of moved on and it was like a particularly crowded sports calendar but she actually argued against cova testing period. That you know that they should. They didn't she didn't want she didn't test anybody that made it to the women's final four. Because you didn't want to ruin the opportunity for somebody to play sports. And so i i'm torn as to whether or not. She didn't get any attention for that statement because of sexism. Because you know people. Just don't pay attention to women sports and it was easy to sort of overlook what she said or because it's not that controversial anymore. Maybe some people think the well you know what sort of pass this. It's not a big deal and people can essentially make the decisions about what risk factors the amount of risk that they want to take. Another factor. Joel is that that there's no sort of there hasn't been an overwhelming consensus. That outdoor gatherings have led to huge spikes in covid positives. I mean there has been. There was a recent story about new research. That was done last month. That there wasn't a link between nfl games. That had a lot of fans last fall and an increase in infections in the areas around stadiums so there is some evidence that the nfl counters that there was no evidence of a causal link. There could just be correlation between the fact that places that were inclined to have. Nfl games with crowds. Shirley be places that are inclined have indoor gatherings or to have relaxed rules in all sorts of different ways consensus. I think the well there could have been a spike related to other things as well. But i think the general consensus is that indoor events are much more dangerous and in terms of there being the likelihood of the possibility of a superspreader moment and so again i feel like the of teams that seems like in baseball in particular are thinking about this in a responsible way or in the right way and her following lake fao cheese advice and it's very easy to fixate on the texas rangers and we should be fixing on them because what they're doing is as pretty appalling but i don't think that every sports entity and organization is being irresponsible or even doing anything that other kind of large organizations are doing no. I don't think so either josh and yeah. Baseball's got the lowest risk factor because it's outdoors but even according to cdc guidelines baseball ticks high risk for a lot of other things. People not wearing masks when they're sitting in one place for an extended period of time outside inability to enforce restrictions on social distancing there are no restrictions on things like yelling and chanting and singing Game and so people don't have anything or yellow so yeah mean the. The sports are managing these things. Well but that doesn't mean that this is flawless. It's really incumbent. Upon sports teams owners players unions to be in charge of this. Like this is supposed to be a top down sort of thing. Our government said the ones that is supposed to protect us. Some sort of lay down with the ground rules are. That's what contra costa county dead right. yeah right. i mean that's the reason why stanford women's basketball team spent most of the you're on the road because there were rules against gathering Particularly inside if the government is going to allow it. I mean it's hard to sit here athletes money-making entities to say oh. Yeah i'm gonna pass up on that money especially after a year in which they lost a tremendous amount of revenue so whatever's happening now as a result of the government. We have. I was gonna say the last thing. I think we should addresses that. I think what we're seeing now is the distinction between what happens in arenas and stadiums and what's happening inside the leagues and teams themselves. And there's for me like the real disconnect now you've got you've still got By and large of course the number of covid positives in the number of illnesses among players in sports has been fairly low because of aggressive testing and care. But we're still seeing these cases like with the nationals. Who only played like five or six games so far this season compared to ten or eleven for other teams because they had games postponed and the vancouver canucks which is a full fledged outbreak. In what is now april of twenty twenty one inside a professional sports team. I'm so it's still raises the alarm bells that we still have problems not just societally but even managing sports and the nhl is like you know. We're going to postpone. We're gonna delay. The end of the regular season will start the playoffs later. It'll all be fine. But you've got a variant spreading in british columbia and issues with vaccination and canada that are sort of raising a new the the questions of how smart it is to keep going for teams and leagues it. Just kind of close. I mentioned that we probably won't have many more covert conversations about this. Because i think we're pretty much through this. I i saw in the frozen four this weekend. Umass won the championship. But they played the semi-finals about their goalie lindbergh because he was isolated because he'd been exposed to code and that's probably one of the last time. We're going to see outcomes in games affected by kobe. So i'm just. I think that like at this point really what you think the last time. We're going to see outcomes of games affected by covert. I mean they're still canceling just worked out and getting people are getting vecsey vaccinated and you know i. I think we're gonna be leaning into the kim mulkey. Ethos going forward is opposed anything else. And i'm curious why the nhl hasn't just taken vancouver out of circulation like they could just be like you know what we're done with you like that. Would that would be the very kind of unsympathetic burden i mean. I guess you could look at it either way like there is a sort of like a denial in saying like. Oh yeah we'll finish the regular season. We'll delay the playoffs. They're going to. It's not even just that they're like vancouver's gonna play all of their games all of the games that they've missed they're going to make them up and so i don't know whether it would be better or worse for them to just be like vancouver. You guys just like get healthy. Get better and we'll disliked. Play the rest of the season without you or to just delay delay delay. I guess just like cross your fingers that everything's gonna be okay and you'll be able to quote on quote. Finish the season as normal but josh the integrity of the results of scotia north division are at stake here. Because you wouldn't want to have an unequal number of games compared to the mass mutual east division or the discover central division or honda west of division stephan has learned that the nhl is sponsoring its divisions. This perhaps can be a discussion for another week. Next up we're going to talk about these sports feats that still have never been achieved. This week's bonus segment for slate plus members. We're going to talk with the author of our team about the nineteen forty eight cleveland indians. He's gonna stick around. Four conversation about bob feller in stephan will tell his famous bob feller story. You'll not want to miss it to hear that you have to be a slate plus member just thirty five dollars for the first year. You can sign up at sleep dot com slash hangup plus. This episode is brought to you by progressive one of the country's leading providers of auto insurance with progressives name your price tool you say what kind of coverage you're looking for and how much you want to pay and progressive will help you find options that fit within your budget. Use the name your price tool and start an online quote today at progressive dot com price and coverage match limited by state law. The san diego padres have one just two minutes in their fifty two seasons of existence and none since nineteen ninety eight they also have the worst winning percentage in the majors. Edging out the miami marlins. So it's fair to say that. The padres are so inconspicuous the not even known for all of their losing. But the twenty twenty one padres do have two of the most exciting players in the game in manny machado and fernando tatis junior and they were headliners for a moment last week. Thanks to right handed. Joe musk rove who grew up about ten minutes away from petco part moscow of pitched a no hitter on friday beating the texas rangers. The same ones we talked about the previous segment. Who had a full stadium. Three nothing the patriots had been the only team in the majors to never throw on. Now every franchise has a no hitter with that feet crossed off. It got us wondering what are the other sports achievements that still have been done yet and so before we get to that stephan. You actually watch the end of the game on friday night. Did it feel like sports history. Yeah did i mean somebody on twitter. Said dude on padres is throwing no hitter. Turn on television. And i did because i am obedient and it was great. I mean every no hitter feels like history because every no hitter is history there have only been two hundred and sixty three of them since one thousand nine hundred one. I've never seen a no hitter. Live but my favorite no hitter. Memory is listening to dave righetti of the new york yankees throw one on july fourth nine thousand nine hundred eighty three on the car radio. I was listening. I was driving home for a weekend. I was interning for the providence journal that summer. I remember pulling into the driveway before the last inning and running inside to catch the end of the game they set the kick and the pitch tastes got. He's of the ball game at the yankees. He'll congratulate but that of course wasn't the yankees first no hitter. It was their seventh. And what makes joe. musk groves. No hitter really cool and interesting is that it was a statistical anomaly. Occurred the history of the franchise apart. The padres were an expansion team in nineteen. Sixty-nine they played eight thousand two hundred six games before one of its pitchers threw a no hitter. Compare that to the montreal expos who also joined baseball in nineteen. Sixty-nine it took them nine games to throw a no hitter by bill. Stoneman on april seventeenth put another way. The expos franchise needed ten days to throw out hitter. The padres needed eighteen thousand nine hundred and ninety five days. So i think the taxonomy of quirky sports feats josh might fall into two categories. Pretty normal stuff. That hasn't happened for no good reason. Like the padres not having a no hitter and extraordinary stuff. That hasn't happened because it's really hard to do. Yeah it's kind of interesting to think about the kind of guy guardrails to put on this conversation because there is stuff dislike records like we could talk about you know when wall somebody top wilt chamberlain's hundred points or any number of things like that and then yeah like you said. There's just like weird stuff like this and there's for me it's kind of like sad. The padres threw a no hitter. Because it's i like the preservation of a trivia question or just like a weird dumb thing that doesn't really make any sense and really the only comparable thing that's left now in baseball and this one is just like about thirty percent dumber than the not having no hitter is that no marlin has ever hit for the cycle. That's the only franchise that does does not have a cycle. That's hitting single double triple and a home run for the same player in the same game and that's just like a little bit lammers all. I missed the padres. Never having thrown a no hitter. Another lose a franchise. It actually is pretty cool. At least to me. Because i have not. I'm trying to think of ever thought about the padres. Since tony gwynn retired when i was growing up in houston there was a family that live down the street from me joey and audrey and remember their last name but they were fans of the san diego padres for some reason. The only people. I've known him on tire life. Who padres fans. I've never thought of them since the eighties. They also the only family in our neighborhood had a pool but but they were padres fan. I was kind of cool for me to think about the padres again. Just because i've had not but yeah it is kinda sad that they've lost this of trivia right that something that made them distinctive. Besides they're losing. They're losing in the inconspicuous and you kind of wish that that kind of stuck around. Because i mean no hitter really doesn't tell you anything about anything right like it's not i know steph and said that it's a big deal feels like history but i feel like you said how many times it's happened. Two hundred and sixty three sixty three right in more than you think right. Yeah right it's a couple of few times a season at least it ceases to be an impressive accomplishment when somebody who's stoneman is that the guy your business if you would give you a pat on the back. They're not doing it every day. I'm happy to have to no hitter. It's like writing a ten second run sub ten second one hundred yet. It's very impressive. Not a lot of people have done it but it happens enough that it's not quite that big of a deal anymore so i asked on twitter now that the padres if there are no hitter what are their meaning feet across all sports that have never been done and a couple of the responses were just like certain teams not having achieved anything like cleave. The cleveland browns never playing in super bowl. The seattle mariners never making it to the world series. Detroit lions never appearing in a super bowl. There are some college football things joel arizona. I didn't actually notice era zone. The only pac twelve school never to go to the rose bowl. That's kind of embarrassing. Come on arizona. Dick tomey desert swarm era. Wildcats hadn't done it. They were really talented in the nineties so they had some some dudes ben mathis lilley of of course noted that michigan has not played in the big ten title game. That has been around for very long. Though no met has ever won the mvp award a that was surprising right. The one that i thought was the best. Actually it's not quite the same as the padres hitter. But i still think that it's in the sweet spot where we're talking to adam hirsh noted there's never been a perfect sweep of the nba playoffs and the warriors actually came really close in two thousand seventeen. They won their first. Fifteen games before Lebron heroically won a single game for the cavs and that finals and the the warriors ended up sixteen and one. Do you feel like stephan. Is that the kind of feet we're looking for. No perfect sweep sweep of nba player. I mean the difference. I think is that no hitters pretty prominent. I mean you'd have to sort of scrape your brain to come up with the sort of manufactured anomaly. The perfect sweep. I think came into the sort of consciousness back in nineteen ninety-three the same year. The dave righetti through hitter when moses malone of the sixers said that the team's goal was fo fo. They were going to win. Four games in all three of the series and go perfect twelve no. They ended up losing one game like the warriors did but that does feel a little more manufactured. But i do. I do like that. As a weird statistical thing because it shows some level of greatness the way that a pitcher having an amazing day throwing a no hitter shows some level of greatness. I mean does it fall into the same category as a perfect season in the nfl. The the patriots almost got two thousand nine hundred. Thanks thank you new york giants and now it will have to be twenty two for perfect season. That feels more like these group. Achievements that we've attached some statistical significance to as opposed to something or superhuman like running for three hundred yards in an nfl. Game right or five home runs in a major league baseball game. A lot of these things were feet. That would be impressive but not necessarily things. You wanna watch. Do you really want to watch your team go through the playoffs. The nba playoffs undefeated. Sucks like i. I don't i wouldn't i don't i wouldn't enjoy that. I wanna see close games. I wanna see a team pushed. I don't wanna see anybody that dominant or you know the thing about a no hitter. Is that which you're actually a very boring game. I guess you get the tension. Get the tension of of of seeing somebody go through it but like it's a game without offense that essentially right and that list of things that hasn't happened so no. Nfl team has ever scored four points. That be cool to read about. But i was not wanna watch that so even better if it was a field goal and a one point safety. That is my dream for four time with the other team. Having to safety that would be that'd be your ultimate. That would be football all right. I'm going to run through some of these. Um we've ever aggregated them across some articles. Some reddit threads and you guys can just stop me if you have any any comment another kind of nba perfect thing. There was almost achieve. Was the boston. Celtics eighty five eighty six when forty and one at home so there's never been a perfect home season and then be but that seems quasi. Achievable rockets beat them into in at home in the finals. By the way they beat them in the garden that year just just for the record was basically the nba champions the cayman. That's true the twin towers. This is another one. I thought was interesting that it could be done. But i understand why it hasn't. Is that no pitcher in major league. History has ever gone through an entire season without losing a game and qualified for the title meaning like had enough innings pitched that it would you know they would qualify. Statistically that seems like it. Could maybe happen someday. Stephan 'cause like pitcher wins. Losses are sort of random and you can imagine somebody having like an awesome season and also getting lucky and just not being recorded with a law and sort of the same way you can imagine. Jacob degrom going oh in eighteen doesn't match having scored a single run for him all season. So yeah i mean i think some of the other statistical ones are that we'd like to see him and it's always round numbers right like we still had a twenty strikeout. No hitter in baseball. There have been twenty strikeout games and you'd think like joel no hitters dime a dozen some dude. We're striking out more batters than ever. At some point we should see those two amazing feats combined. I think that would be cool. Why are you stopping there. When at twenty seven strikeout no hitter. Think big like the little league though the little league perfect game. yeah. I like this one from from red. There's never an nfl. Been a touchdown awarded for a palpably. Unfair act where referee. Like if somebody comes off the sideline and just like tackles the dude at the one yard line. They can awarded a touchdown. Do you think should happen to the same year that they played against the rams and the nfc championship game happened like inside the ten yard line. But that should have been a touchdown never been never been in overtime in a super bowl. Nobody's ever run for more than three hundred yards in an nfl game. Joel would like to see that one. I would love to see that the nba ones. I think are interesting. Never been a scoreless quarter. That is definitely in the joel anderson hall of fame of things. That would not be fun. Do you guys. I lived in the dallas area when that mavericks team was there when they lost to the lakers. And i d know who played the most minutes for the mavs that night. Ac green. this was april. Ninety-seven the maps do pointing in the third quarter. They only lost via the. They'd only scored ten points in that quarter. They would have been the lakers leading score. Quarter does happen. A lot in women's basketball and i think we saw one in the late stages of the ncaa tournament. Yeah only ten minutes right. I don't that's never going to happen now. I don't wanna say an acid. Say never but like i cannot imagine. Nba team going scoreless. Four game at this point. So i think it could happen. I think it could happen. It probably won't happen. But i think it could theoretically happen so the thing that that could happen. That has never happened as father and son playing together so if lebron brawny or on the same team and a couple of years like that's the thing that's happened in baseball with the griffey's but never happened in the nba. And then i guess the last thing would say is that. Nba record around individual scoring mentioned one hundred points for well in a game. The thing that i find so fascinating about that is that it's all about kind of convention and about sort of the niceties of the game. Because what stopping. I mean you've seen this like when guys we're going for the scoring title just like taking every single shot and like kobe. What you can. You can choose what adjective you want. He is the most selfish involved star player of the mall. Got squared eighty-one in the game. But there could be some night. Where like the words like you know what staff. We're going to pass it to every time you're going to shoot fifty something threes. What i'm saying as more selfish we want. We want to see more individual scoring records. Especially when you're not in contention for anything just you know. Try to try to make a thirty. Three's in a game. That's why i like the baseball records because you can't manipulate them in quite the same way. We'll someone go eight for eight in a game. That would be really cool. We'll someone as i mentioned. Hit five home runs in a game that would be really cool to but they're not dependent on teammates to help get it done though you know. There's nothing wrong with with manufacturing records. Either so steph curry nebula manipulate away but see steph. Got one hundred and twenty and again of next beluga plan on his our team in the second player in major league baseball support for this podcast comes from paypal. Small business owners. Turn your smartphone into a cash register pay pal. Qr codes or the safe and easy way to get paid in store and they deliver the same security and trust pay pal is known for online in person. Even if you're a cash only business with paypal. Qr codes you can accept credit or debit with everyday low fees. There's no additional hardware or software needed generate your unique qr code from the pay pal app and display it on your device or print it to display in store customers. Scan your code with their paypal app. You only need your smartphone. Learn more at paypal dot com slash. Us slash get qr code. This thursday april fifteenth is jackie robinson. Day in major league baseball. It's an annual celebration of the player. Who broke the league's modern color barrier and this year will be the seventy four th anniversary of robinson's debut with the brooklyn dodgers. As far as i know this july fifth will not be marked by a similar kind of special celebration by major league baseball. july fifth. Two thousand twenty one will be the seventy four. Th anniversary of larry doby first game with the cleveland. Indians dobie was the second african american player after robinson to break the modern color barrier and he was the first in the american league. Historian is very different from robinson's though it's just as inspiring and infuriating luke appling tells that story and a bunch more in his new book. Our team the epic story a four men and the world series. That changed baseball luke. Welcome to the show. Thanks for having me jackie. Robinson signed with the dodgers. October forty-five he didn't play the whole minor league season before his big league. Debut in brooklyn larry doby. He's playing in the negro leagues for the newark eagles on july fourth nineteen forty seven. He his major league debut for the indians the very next day. That's really remarkable. So how did that happen. Yeah so bill back. Who was the owner of the cleveland indians. He bought the team in one thousand. Nine forty six had plans to integrate. The indians pretty much off the bat vac head tried to buy the philadelphia phillies in nineteen. Forty two whenever he was a minor league owner and he really wanted to integrate that team as well so he has integration in his mind. He waits until. Jackie robinson breaks the major league baseball color line april of nineteen forty seven. And then he sort of decided that he's going to take a much different tact than branch rickey took with Robinson as you mentioned robertson has basically an eighteen month. Build up for whenever the siamese is announced with the brooklyn dodgers to the time that he actually debut on the brooklyn dodgers. Vex fought that this sort of thing puts a put a little bit too much pressure on robinson that gave him of a lot of time to be under the spotlight to have to go through a bunch of things rather than just getting thrown into the the major league fire and even told told a reporter from the pittsburgh courier that one of these days the indian players are going to go onto the field and there will be a black player with him so he decides to take a completely different tact with. Larry doby wants to infuse the indians with talented nineteen forty seven. They had been sort of six place team the year before and so he starts scouring the negro leagues they come across. Larry doby who had just won the negro league world series championship with the newer eagles previous season. Doby tearing up the league in nineteen forty seven vic consults with a manly and decides to purchase. The contract of larry doby on july first dobie himself does not find out. He's signed by the indians until july. Second he plays another game with the newark. Eagles goes to a train station in newark new jersey and then is on an overnight trained to chicago the very next day it is a whirlwind for dolby. Look do you mind briefly telling us like the impact of losing players like dobie had on demand lives of the new york newark eagles. And broadly the negro leagues because this sort of like drip drip drip thing and then all of a sudden the floodgates opened right and they were they were putting a really weird position to as much as vac who was because historic has viewed historically as really noble progressive guy. Totally low balled. The eagles and fm manley the owner in terms of her price for for asking price. Larry doby because he knew that you know because he knew that she would know that she couldn't stand in the way of this progress even though it would hurt them financially. Yeah f- family is is a is a key figure in all of this with her husband abe manley. They owned the newark. Eagles purchased the team in nineteen. Thirty five brought them over to newark in nineteen thirty six. They've been trying to win. Negro league world series since then in nineteen forty-six. They had sort of a roster. That could finally do it. They had leon day amazing pitcher on that team. Then of course. Monte irvin larry doby the thing to keep in mind is that the newark eagles had already lost don newcombe to the brooklyn dodgers before the nineteen forty-six season and branch rickey practiced a much different sort of tactic than ricky thought that the negro leagues were kind of a racket. And he's words. He thought that this sort of contracts they signed were not standard that they were a little bit flimsy and he believed that after each season every negro league player basically became a free agent so he did not consult with the newark eagles in terms of signing don newcombe. Who was a young pitcher for them at that time and so manley was furious at this idea and she really thought that earlier owners needed to be compensated for finding developing the the players on their rosters with as you mentioned he did contact manly and offer to offer her some ca- compensation and it was low and manley talks about in her autobiography. How that that would have offered ten times that much for a player of dobie talent if he were white but she knew that if she tried to fight him or blocked toby sort of way into the majors it could start a firestorm of criticism both within both among players and also within the black press which at that time really wanted to see black players crossover into the major leagues and do well and as joel was saying it was devastating for the near newark. Eagles they drew a record number of fans in one thousand nine hundred eighty six. After the war they won the world series the next year the fan. The fan total was sort of slashed in half they were leading the negro leagues again in nineteen forty seven and manley said after dobie was signed. It was like the air got taken out of the tire. The players kind of didn't have the same sort of fire as they did before that That they kind of sense that things were maybe sort of crumbling in the morale went and by nineteen forty eight. The eagles were averaging a little more than thirty thousand fans a season so Fema manley end up unloading the team. The next the next season so the thing that comes through very clearly in the book luke is that you know this decision to just throw larry be into the fire. It was not very sensitive to dobie as a human being he gets to you know the clubhouse in cleveland. It doesn't seem like the players were really prepped. For this one player in particular the first basements sees them as a threat like he's gonna steal his job. The players vary like kind of ostentatiously refused to play catch with him on the field. Certain players don't shake hands with him. You know it's unimaginable. What this must have felt. Like for dobie tat. Have this like amazing achievement. First player in the american league also feeling like he has to perform well else that discredits his race and discredits the entire negro leagues in the dot com and to get the sort of reception. It just was incredibly hard on him. Yeah and dobie himself was a introverted quiet shy individual and he doesn't really have a lot of time to sort of wrap his mind around what What's happening and what it means. He literally journeys overnight from the negro leagues to the major leagues and he is unprepared for to come. Just as the players on the cleveland indians. Who had found out about this only a day or so before are sort of a unprepared for what what is going to happen dobie. In addition to that was a second baseman in the negro leagues for the newark eagles and the indians the previous offseason had just traded for joe gordon who was a former. Mvp for the new york yankees and he recovered his form. That you're in fact. He was the starting second baseman for the all star game. The indians infield was pretty set at third shortstop. and second. So the only place where you could really play was first base and first base was being manned by an individual named eddie robinson who is from texas and was really struggling to sort of make his way in the majors. He was twenty six years old. He'd been in the service in minor leagues and he was struggling to sort of raises batting average above two twenty. And so when it's announced that larry doby is going to be starting at first base the second day that dobie is on the indians eddie robinson. Quits the club and says well. I'm just not gonna play then and you can definitely see that that. The indians players rallied around robinson and they're yogi never starts a game not only at first but anywhere in the field the rest of that season the does seem like there was a fear for further dissension on the indians and so he becomes kind of a bench. Player and Is quite isolated Alone fruit for most nights and Not really sort of a part of that team. That's what i didn't realize remembering. No larry doby history. That that the year he came up he didn't do anything but he was ostracized and benched. He only had five hits over the three months that he spent in in the big leagues with the indians in one thousand nine hundred eighty seven and that winter because of is bad performance. You right how vac and branch rickey in among them a nobody signed anymore players from the negro leagues that the view was that jackie robinson looked like the outlier and dobies experienced press. Experience presaged of this caution. That that that pervaded amount among big league owners but things change in nineteen forty eight and the subject of your book is the one thousand nine hundred forty eight seasons. So how does larry doby go from last guy on the bench outcast ostracized by his teammates to an integral part of. What's gonna come a world series winner. It's really one of the most improbable stories in baseball. History as you said in one thousand nine. Forty-seven seven larry. Doby does not look like a major league quality player. His teeth chattered whenever he came to bat because he was sort of sort of nervous Beam where he where he was and just the ostracisation that that he faced. In fact after the nine forty seven season he went to a coach named bill mckechnie on the indians and said. Can i even make it in the majors. Macaque told him. I don't think you're an infielder. I think you're an outfielder and that's what you need to do. Dobie is so inexperienced in the outfield. He's never really played there before. He's checking out books in the library in the offseason called how to play the outfield. He makes he goes a spring training in one thousand. Nine hundred eight tomah manzke. Instructional nineties really missed out. He goes to spring training in nineteen forty eight. The indians have eight outfielders vying for just a handful of spots and is it is sort of understood that dobie is not going to be among those. He needs more sort of season in the minors. If he's going to make it at all but he comes out and he's a completely different person. It's like night and day. He is suddenly sort of tearing the cover off the ball and he makes a lot of mistakes in the outfield. He has quite an error-prone season early in one thousand nine forty eight because he basically has to learn the entire position on the fly and early in nineteen forty eight the indians or sort of contemplating at various points whether they need to send him down whether he in fact does need to sort of learn how to play the nuances of of a position that he's never played before and every time they're thinking of doing that toby hits like a mammoth home run or does something that sort of hints at his athletic potential and they just kind of continue to keep him on the roster and basically by the midpoint of of the nineteen forty eight season toward the the world series. Dobie is the indispensable star of of that team. Obviously you know. The big piece of the story is is jackie robinson. The first black player to play in the majors. Because of that larry's story tend to get overlooked. It never even occurred to me that maybe they those two men had a relationship. And you mentioned that you know. They did develop a relationship. And that larry actually leaned on. Jackie robinson and a lot of ways to get through mean was pretty much a really difficult time for him correct. Yeah wouldn't dobie comes up in one thousand nine hundred seven on the cleveland indians. At that time it was the standard practice for baseball players to have a roommate on the road in hotels Of course dobie couldn't stay in some of the hotels that the indians were playing and he was often shunted to separate accommodations and even if he was staying in the same hotel as the indians. It wasn't practiced to have a white t room with the black teammates. So dobie was quite alone a lot of the time and this was a thing that he really talked about particularly to black reporters at that time. The sort of isolation an alien nation that he felt and just being alone constantly not able to take his mind off of if he had a bad day if he struck out any sort of thing like this and really the only person at that time they could sort of understand what he was going through was jackie robinson and so dobie talked several times in interviews about how they would call each other late at night whenever they were alone in their hotel rooms and sort of work through these things that they were dealing with that. The white teammates wouldn't have been able to understand in fact. Probably very few people would have been able to To understand it. Basically through that entire for sheer from forty seven until midway through the nineteen forty eight season doby is pining for some sort of roommate that that he can talk to and and get and get his mind these things what he gets a satchel page in nineteen forty eight and those two did not always get along. You wrote that. Someone had broken into the american league's elderly legend whose lofty reputation preceded him. Page could act and speak in ways inconceivable to dobie can you sort of explain the differences in the tension between the two men. Yeah they came up at very different times. There are sort of occupying opposing ends of a generational spectrum pages. Seventeen years older than dobie. He was forty two when he broke in with the indians in nineteen forty-eight dobie was twenty three in one thousand nine hundred forty seven So page grew up at a time. just extreme sort of jim crow and he kind of develops this persona that enables him to sort of navigate the segregation that he's facing while he's on the road. He did quite a bit of of of barnstorming Dobie kind of looks at page and sees somewhat of a caricature Perhaps like almost like a step and fetch it sort of figure and it wasn't the sort of image that dobie himself wanted to project tc. He keeps using the word the term dignity and he didn't see that in sort of pages persona and page is just kind of this. I mean he's he's basically a baseball legend. His lower crossed racial lines even before he made it into major league baseball. And so they were kind of at loggerheads with the with each other job was always sort of telling page you have to act like a big leaguer. And page was doing his thing he. He occasionally missed Trains he occasionally didn't show up if it was raining outside Things like this and dolby was frustrated by it and it does reflect the sort of different experiences of these men growing up. We haven't talked about dobie childhood but he grew up in new jersey went to an integrated high school. Only a handful of black students but he was a legendary figure as an athlete. And you right in the book. How how dobies first taste of actual searing racism and segregation comes when he is inducted into the military yet dobie grows up our least he goes to high school in paterson new jersey and he becomes a four sports sensation. He is so popular in high school. That there is a testimonial dinner in paterson that is convened in his honor. His senior year and and poems are composed about him music is composed and he's given like a gold watch something that hasn't been for any other athlete at that time. He certainly faced racism from the stands on the field. Things like this but he claims he didn't get his first real dose of until he went into the military he gets drafted into the navy and he takes a train from newark to chicago. Where he was going to do is training and he kind of looks around the train and he sees white recruits and black recruits together. And he's thinking to himself while we're all going to the same place we're all gonna fight in the same war we're going to be in this together and even sort of recognizes people on the train. People from his sports city played against tour people from his high school but once he gets to the great lakes naval training station chicago. The white crew immediately separated from the black recruits and dolby says many times. It was the first time that racism really kind of punched him in the face like it. It was just sort of starkly drawn out for him and and it really wounded him. So we haven't gone through the whole kind of excitement of the nineteen forty eight season. And larry doby heroics in the nineteen forty eight world series. But we'll leave some for the book. Help give st the book sales here but we are going to have stick around for the bone of segment. So that stefan can tell his. Bob feller story bob feller being one of the four men that is written about in our team by lou kaplan luke. Thank you so much for your time inc. rats on the book. Thank you josh. This episode is brought to you by mortal combat. Are you ready to fight on april twenty. Third don't miss the action of of the year. When mortal combat the worldwide wide phenomenon comes to life mortal combat is in theaters on. Hbo max april twenty third rated r. under seventeen not admitted without perrin present. And now it is time for after balls. We've got a few responses to my mentioned last week while i was in western massachusetts of williams and amherst colleges and also joel correctly identifying their conference as ness caq new england. Small college athletic conference. I said that they played some good basket ball out there and it's true. The williams men that e. e. p. h. s. after founder ephraim williams that fs one the d three championship in two thousand and three. They were runners up in two thousand four ten and fourteen before transferring to michigan and making the nba. Duncan robinson was an efe and mistake. Forty-three footer. at the buzzer in seventy five. Seventy three loss to wisconsin whitewater in the twenty fourteen final rival amherst. Meanwhile one at all in two thousand seven and two thousand thirteen and was the runner up in two thousand eight but listener at official tweeted. That few coaches anywhere have been more successful than the women's coach at amherst. Gp gra mackey. Look him up at official. Wrote heck named after ball after him. Okay so we're going to do in. Thirteen seasons grammatically has a record of three hundred and seventy seven wins thirty two losses three national championships in twenty eleven and an identical thirty three zero seasons in two thousand seventeen and eighteen. He's taken the mammoths to eight. Final fours was shooting for another one. In twenty twenty when the tournament was cancelled. After the second round undergr- mackey amherst also has had winning streaks of sixty eight games overall and a hundred and twenty one at home gr- mackey told the new york times in two thousand fifteen that he liked coaching. D three because it gave him the freedom to coach his kids soccer team in the off season. Gp cra mackey. coaching legend. Joel what's your gp gra. Mackey can't believe the women's team is called the mammoth that's their mascot. The amherst mascot. Yeah interesting okay Well very appropriate to start this with not quite primetime hoops so win. Hubert davis was announced as the new men's head basketball coach at the university of north carolina. Last week it was further validation of dean. Smith's more traditional ideas about program building. Not everyone who plays on. A team needs a letter jacket. So let me explain. Sure there were plenty of reasons to elevate huber davis to the top job at north carolina. There was an alum a formerly overlooked recruit from virginia who eventually turned himself into a first round. Nba draft pick by the new york. Knicks davis played for dean smith and has been an assistant at north carolina under roy williams for the past nine years a role that connects them to the programs glorious past in its slightly less glorious present but davis has resume also includes a fairly reliable predictor of success for future college basketball coaches. He spent the last few years. Coaching the tar heels. Junior varsity team a holdover idea from the smith air. Unc yes north. Carolina still has a junior varsity program. Just like your old high school. Well maybe not quite like your old high school but the heels. Jv team a throwback to a long ago time in college sports when freshmen weren't yet eligible to play on varsity teams and pro sports leagues didn't have nearly as much money to entice college stars to leave school early north carolina's. Jv team started as a freshman team which weren't all that uncommon forty or so years ago. Lots of powerhouses had freshman teams schools like ucla nebraska and texas. Just to name a few keep in mind. Even the former lew alcindor better known later as kareem abdul-jabbar in described by the associated. Press in one thousand nine hundred sixty five as a quote younger combination of wilt chamberlain. Bill russell was stuck on. Ucla's freshman team in the nineteen sixty five sixty six season. It abdul-jabbar's autobiography giant steps. He wrote over. Preseason matchup between his freshman team and ucla's varsity which was then coming off of its second consecutive national championships. Six months earlier the game was never close. Abdul-jabbar wrote there was no defense against us. I scored thirty one points and we won by fifteen. That's pretty much how. Ucla freshmen handled the rest of their opponents that season which were largely freshman jv teams junior colleges across southern california abdul. Jabaar road we went all twenty one of games and not one of them was close. So when the ncw finally embrace freshman eligibility in nineteen seventy-two sports illustrated wrote that quote basketball coaches prefer to think freshmen were allowed to play primarily for basketball and more specifically to help them get ucla by that point. Even a blue program like unc had to use gimmicks to keep games close against ucla and the nineteen sixty eight national championship game. Dean smith and the tar heels resorted to that will boring ass four corners offense to keep things close against abdul-jabbar in the bruins and it did not work. Ucla one at twenty three point route. So if you colleges reason though maybe we could get a little bit more to some of these highly touted freshman guys like david thomson at nc state kazzee russell at michigan or even john lucas. At but for as many coaches who wanted freshmen would on a court. Many more were against the change. Opole of major college football coaches at the time indicated. They were two one against using freshman on varsity teams. Imagine that right. There was also a belief that the nc double a.'s. New freshmen who was pushed by faculty athletic advisors particularly those who worked in administrations concerned with saving money as the new york times wrote. Then they're feeling is that by eliminating freshman teams. They will save money as you see. That clearly worked out right anyway. Deemed smith unlike the vast majority of his peers elected to keep a sub varsity team at north carolina. A profile of the schools. Jv team last year. The new york times wrote that smith wanted to give regular students a chance to be around north carolina basketball. Well also living potential welcome to learn the varsity system and that's apparently what it was. It wasn't really a pipeline for players for the tar heels. Varsity in fact i can't find much evidence that any junior varsity player ever became a significant contributor to seize varsity remember within a decade of freshmen being eligible. Unc was already leaning on rookies. Like michael jordan but it did turn out to be a really good way of developing coaches or the very least. It gave them a chance to work a sideline of their own roy. Williams coach north carolina's junior varsity team for eight seasons while serving as an assistant for dean smith drought. Who's the coach at stanford now coach to north carolina. Jv team for three years. While working as an assistant for roy williams. And even phil ford. Who became the first freshman under dean smith to start in his first college. Game he coached. Jv team north carolina in the ninety s. Four few years. Roy williams like the concept of a jv team so much that he started one while he was a kansas and out of the jayhawks. Jv program came margin now. The head coach at maryland. Steve robinson who was later head coach at both tulsa florida state and another guy. You may have heard of john kalahari but that team only lasted for a couple of years and it finally ended. When the kansas administration argued that the male junior varsity skewed schools title nine balance and williams was angry and his folksy sort of rich grade. Way saying that made me so mad. It was the most ridiculous thing i've ever heard. People will use excuses money time. I think it's hogwash. Because the value you get from it is so much more. So it's no surprise that. When roy williams returned to north carolina as the head coach in two thousand three he kept junior varsity program and later. Place hubert davis in charge of it. But if the program is as important as they say it is still can't find much about it on the internet. There's no schedule no record and not even right now a roster on the team website so maybe the best way to keep up with the team is through its instagram. Page at unc. Jv ball the last post. There's from march third. Twenty twenty promoting the team's final game of the regular season against milligan college tennessee. But there's no update on the final score. We do however know that the north carolina. jv plays as many as eighteen games. This season all of them about three hours. Before the varsity games at the dean smith center they tend to draw a few dozen fans game. Family members students looking for free food and something to do their schedule. Mostly consists of games against local community and junior colleges and prep schools. No they don't play any. Acc games because nowhere. The program has a junior varsity team and the hills. Jv rival is probably hargrave military academy which has alums including larry brown who played a post grad year there on his way to north carolina where he later played under dean smith. All roads lead. Becca dean samantha. So anyway huber. Davis released doesn't say much about his experience. Coaching the jv but some of his former players told the inside carolina website that he was very much an acolyte of carolina. Way the jv rennes the hills. Renown secondary break an offensive system. Smith made his famous as he did that. Stupid ass. four corners offense. They run an elevator. Door played at three point shooter. Open at the top of the key. Just like all teams. Do you know if you watch them. They look awful. Lot like the north carolina. We're all familiar with. Except say you know jerry stackhouse ottosson right so now davis will get a chance on the varsity like surely many of our listeners. Date after getting called up from j. v. let's just hope that he'll be as proud of his promotion as he is of his wife stefan any. Jv experience for you. Oh yeah the most embarrassing. Jv experience was that. I had to play on the jv ice hockey team in eleventh grade. 'cause i just wasn't very good. Did you star or the jv team that you're the star playing ice hockey at all but scored a few goals. Going against eighth and ninth graders on the other other teams being from louisiana. Anyone who can ice skate as deserving of applause from me. I shouldn't i should. I should him to louisiana That was terrific. Joel i do want to circle back to your comment about the mammoths at the beginning. The mammoths are actually knew. I had forgotten this. That amherst was the lord jeffs for a century and then in two thousand seventeen. They renamed the the team and created a mask. Because there's a mammoth skeleton that was discovered by amherst professor. That's in the schools museum. Because lord jeff was was a british general. Jeffrey amherst who in the eighteenth century wanted to give smallpox infected blankets to native americans. So were there was no way when you said british general those no way that anything. That followed was going to be good. I got me. I just as soon as you said that they had to change it. So it sense ray for the man. That's that is a show for today our producer. This was margaret kelly tilson to pasha and subscribe or just reach out good. Asleep dot com slash hangup. You can email us at hang up at sleep dot com and don't forget. Subscribe to the show and rate and review us on apple podcasts. It helps us out. And you wanna be helpful. I can talk for joel anderson stephan. Fats and josh levine. Remembers all mobility and thanks for listening.
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"Phil steele as this page. They'll still has this page of verified twitter followers that follow him and none of us are on. my virus. Verification got denied today most pet. He's got melissa. Joan hart on here and sold at o'brien sold at of ryan falls everybody. She also hates us. It has sold data brian. Yes what is this list. I mean this is the thing about phil steele. This has a sheet of jean. Here of every verified. He probably has an updated that list for since two thousand seven like most of his fucking magazine. Damn jack are we ready to go. Who's dave softy mailer. I don't know if that is gerry. Dinardo dead dead. He may be dead. Because i told hall phil steele doesn't update stop. This isn't anything new. I told you just like most of his magazine. It's old stuff we saw last year. Okay he's still alive. Good for charity. Marta by the way. Brian meeting casey shared like a great podcast building experience on sunday night. coming back from marinas wedding it was kcbi bibs tommy. And trent case who's in the middle there on the left and I was on the right. Casey fell asleep a few times. I fell asleep on jack's shoulder for like an hour. I'll leave that wedding. We left eleven thirty but we didn't get back. We went to like four mcdonald's before we actually only want for. We got to the one we got we wanted to. We ordered forty mcdonald's no forty mcnuggets. Four doubles four. Small fries a big mac. Three waters diet coke coke. Isn't mike my credit card. Statements like fifty five dollars millions on mantell williams talk show listening. Oh fuck dude. You're all you're talking about as mississippi the first four back to each other and brandon's already telling jack shut the fuck up before the indra music is even rolled. Yes congratulate -gratulations random. You're watching the youtube. You'll see he's showing us. He's a national champion national champion mississippi state university. Okay so baseball not football. Last there was awarded the most recent national champion. That's true brandon. Jack showed me this the other day. Some dude in our facebook group was furious. We talked about college. Baseball and college football podcast. Well some dude in our facebook check and suck my fucking dick okay. That is the sentiment. Most of the people in the facebook group had which was dude. Shut up. it's it's june. July june enjoy and mississippi state like the scc school also his school. He wouldn't have talked about. It had been one of our schools. I love that was like you want. Would you like to break down the weekend. Slate sir and my husband. I had to go out there. Because i mean we send somebody out there trying to grow the game and i had to. We had to have some star power out there. It was great content for the podcast. Yeah sandia enjoyed it. All right you ready. I'm ready are you. How you been doing casey. I've been doing all right. I would like a psa right now. My voice may give out at any point. I've got the. I have a cough cough going around the office right now. Dan big cat is claiming that it's everybody who's been at the jersey shore at some point in the last few weeks which it is checking out But i might die in the middle of this podcast so okay. Cool cool katie. How are you a little concern. Now i'm saying next. Casey but otherwise i don't have any other symptoms. She slept on my shoulder. And i have. I don't have the cough. Jack women talking for three minutes you. What's in that story twice. Yeah but that's a good location concerned. Now i'm actually. I've i've probably need time to focus. Listen i here's the thing. I had two options either to sleep on my producer shoulder or on vibes shoulder. Who is like dating one of my close friends. I felt like my producer was better support system there also then like midway through. This is just your sleep body. It turned into like you want crawl up yelling. How's it was after marinas wedding. I had some alcohol. it happens. Who among us. Oh my god okay. let's do it. Hi welcome to unnecessary roughness barstools college. Football podcast brought to you by the delicious and the beautiful and the wonderful high noon art seltzer. They've got all the best. Flavors they got the peach in the lime grapefruit black cherry. It is all delicious. It's real juice real vodka for real people like you and me high noon. They go everywhere we go and today. I am in still in mississippi. I am in my mother-in-law's basement but the other three idiots are back in manhattan. High hits we ben in manhattan i. Why are we idiots. Why are you taking so many unnecessary shots at us. I know the name of the podcast but she did it. In one of your gas station reviews. You said who i if. I'm a dumb person. If i have to do content with casey smith everyday. What did i do to deserve that. I love when people get all upset about those. Fill out fifty seven seconds of gas station content. Hey i normally make fun of my boobs. So i'll take it. I guess i've always done to gas station reviews. I made fun of your boobs. Wants and just your name the other time. So okay. Lisa i'm getting shouted out. Yeah katie. didn't even make the from you. Hi katie hi brandon. Our things find normal holding down the fort here and while you're gallivanting off mississippi. My grandmother died. So thank you for the condolences so Yeah huge you. Haven't you've said hi to them two times. Yeah you haven't said to me what's up dude going on. I tried to tell him to be nice today. And it's just not working jack. How are you great when only be saw. What are we seeing you in three d again. Conscious picked up another three star recruit. Victor rose a number to recruit out of the state of connecticut. Class at twenty two. Where did you see that. That was thirty minutes ago. But i just sort of ticker in here brandon. When are we seeing you in three d again. How hard is it to be number. Two recruiting state failed so is from connecticut and great brian. How he was anyways. My second is when am. I going to be back. I'll be back monday in the office. I'll be driving back. Friday and saturday and i'll be back monday and we'll be back on schedule. Which brings me to my next point. Katie were two minutes into the fucking show. No it's okay so recording. Yes okay that i leave. No you're still. You're still there okay. Okay so i'll be back next week. We'll be back in the office together and everything so my next asthma is i have decided already mentally turned the corner towards football season and guys executive decision starting august first. Let's go to times a week. Love it. I love that. I completely agree. Once the fourth of july holiday is over even though we still have. I think it's fifty eight days until kickoff. I looked it up yesterday. It is your truly on the downhill. Slide in a good way into college football season. When do you want to release. We'll figure that it'll probably be sunday. Thursday always use or record. Sunday sunday wednesday. Something like that. I don't know figured out two times a week august. I starting august first. Because i'm in that mode right now where everything. I do every spare moment i have. I'm looking at either a phil steele an athlon or i'm watching highlights on youtube. I'm fully in college football mode. Now i am too. I'm going to be honest. I'm already a wanting to get in fights with people on twitter. about stupid takes. Handed was awesome in every fight last night. It was awesome. Yeah you're mixing it up on the mentions. Oh i was throwing great. Well we list these five games. You did a graphic katie. Texted me the other day was katie. That was awesome. Yeah cheney literally texted me. While i at the funeral anyway nonni knowledge is afterwards. I remember what it was but she she said you know. Give me your five most anticipated games this year so i sent him to her and i thought our five. They're all very similar. I think jack had one that. I wish i had a thought of yet. Cincinnati notre dame which. I think is fantastic. Katie went kind of a different direction where she actually chose. Games are probably more portland washington. I mean in the context of that conference. It's very important May i went with light main. Casey both went for like three or four. Non conference games and then alabama am and people are. I'm there's one of my techs. It's one of my takes. We're gonna get there in a minute. But people were pupo. And casey for having alabama in miami number one i had it number four and i thought that's fucking ridiculous. I mean everybody is so beaten down by how good alabama has been they ton of just intellectually allow themselves week one alabama miami. Everybody's gonna be watching that fucking game. It's gonna be so much fun. Yes when you look at the other games like you could say. Maybe they'll be more competitive as what we've seen the last few years to me opening weekend alabama miami. We don't know what miami's gonna look like we've said it. They right there at the corner. We don't know what alabama is to look like crazy me that i think that's going to be a really fucking fun game to watch. Here's here's here's my take miami's going to cover in that game. Mommy might win that game. I is not going to be a bad football team and everybody was beaten down by. How alabama re loads every year. This is a different level of reloading alabama has to do and they're not going to win that game by thirty points they always do and also and also the fact that like it is. It's miami. i understand. They've not been that good as of late. But it's still the university of miami. I love the fact that alabama in miami are playing opening weekend. It's a massive programs non conference game. Why would i not be excited. They were good. They were good last year. Miami was and the year before. I said miami was going to be good last year and because the year before i kept bringing up that stat that even though the year they want six and seven and lost to louisiana tech in that random game every single game was within seven points that they lost so i mean also backed advisors talking about no. It's not good if you get paralyzed Talking about the unknowns. We don't know there was a list that was released this week from pro. Football focus of the top quarterbacks that we're going to get and they they're unknowns are the same known and one of the unknowns for me is how will dear king play toys. Acl what december. Twenty eighth the ballgame. How healthy will he be if he's listen if he's healthy. Alabama will win that by lot. But i'm begging on him being rice young as well. Yes yes. We're making waves much unknowns. We're gonna get all that. Casey the one problem you did you had it number. One and clinton george has got to be normal. Yeah no i. I looked back. And i was sitting next. Katie when she was making my graphic and i actually was gonna put clemson georgia. But then i didn't want us to all have the same number one across the board. And so i was like well. I'll just mix it up a little bit so that it doesn't look like we're all having the exact same answers but the fact that they're i mean. Yes georgia clemson is a is a more probably more competitive game. But the fact that they're on like aren't there on the same weekend right. Yeah there wants to two thirty and one's interest so that what hell of a week one we have. Oh yeah hell of a week one but all of these people were like. Oh i'll have a casey's smoking like all right dude. I'll give you some good shit. I guess but like let's all relax here and then when someone called you the name you don't like to be called. I was furious. You see that we are blocked that little. Okay so i am. How many trivia wins. I have to have. How many podcasts. Do i have to have a where where people will decide. I'm not a moron standards. Did fucking guys got seventy dollars called me more from mississippi. I'm seventy five percent more intelligent. That ship he's probably a moron yet and also like like get better chirps people like if you like. He was like. He's called a moron from mississippi. For reason like that's those two seasons ago find something else by the season three for us. We just three and this is officially season three. Oh wow so. He's been three okay good. Well let's careful with that yet so make sure still. It actually looks more like germany right. Inglorious bastards that's all. They know that they're not germany. Let's put that down from what the germans john that's how they know they're americans shoot. What are you doing. The militia jack. What did what do we do. It's a secret okay. I'm ahead so lit. Let me load off the show. Somebody knock on the door there or somebody or here. You're in mississippi. So my here by the way the seat that he's sitting on this is just such an old person seat. This is a very mother-in-law house. Yeah yeah it's awesome. It's awesome right out of an antique store. I'm very much. I'm in my mother-in-law's guest room in ripley mississippi. That's where i'm at so all right. Let me lay out the show here. Because i want to own fire off several things I haven't been here to really focus on college football in a while. But i'm ready to focus on it now so we've got. I've got five takes. I would like to go ahead and get out there for the two thousand twenty one season. I'm to go ahead squad on these takes okay. I got those five Then we're going to have our we're gonna to build our ultimate road trip for the twenty twenty one season. That's what we're gonna do. Yes so last week. Jack came with a great idea and he said we should go through the twenty twenty one season and pick the game of the week that we would most want to go to and we can't overlap stadiums. The problem was is it was just us and we didn't look at it beforehand. We were just staring at a schedule. Which does not make for a good podcast. you know. it just doesn't make for wonderful listening so we decided that we would all come this week with our list and then we would make an ultimate unnecessary roughness road trip for two thousand twenty one less so if we all disagree on said game we have to argue about it. I know you said you wanted to draft. But i think we should squat up for once and pick one game each week so i went through several reiterations of several preparations preparations eight through. Ged preparation h. Is the one that is going to be on the hall so i am going with. I've got several. I got five games per week so that we can start. How long have you been planning that. I wrote all this out last night. No what you just said. How long have you been planning that. So i sat down last night with a pen and paper and i went and bought. I'll tell you what you know. What's great about being down here. Walmart's walmart you. There's no walmarts and new york hub. Buddy buddy i live in fucking jersey newark. Nearest walmart is twenty two miles away. Okay i hear in every single town. The biggest building in town is walmart. The second biggest billing town is the oh walmart okay. That's where i'm at right now. I am thirty seconds walmart. I went and bought. Nineteen of the spiral bound notebooks for twenty five cents a piece. I am plucking ready. Let me walmart you know what else i'm near a sonic. I went to sonic sonics right out the front door. That's awesome great. I just showed katie. Why i stopped you on your preparation. H. on your whole comment. I had chili cheese tater tots and a route. Forty four sweet tea for lunch. Yes he made a him. Roy joke whatever they had no idea and i had to let them know how discuss it. I am like picturing. He's fine. Fourth i got. I've got the five tanks. We're going to do the ultimate road trip correct. Yes and you guys. Jackie had some lists. You wanna look at no. I just thought the pro football focus quarterback list was interesting so as their top fifty players in college football this season list. I just thought we don't have to spend that much time on it. There were few interesting. I mean i don't wanna ruin it but there's a quarterback on that list that's very love is that quick. Okay that in law for those listening hours just pointing at somebody on our podcast of for somebody. That was loved the quarterback that was low. I haven't seen that particular less yet. You sent me the fifty best players in college football last night And i thought it was ridiculous. I thought it was fucking ra- So yeah we'll discuss that. I gotta get my takes off and then anything else. We got some news Looks like oh. Yeah we gotta talk about this kansas thing. Yeah yeah has less miles a piece of shit. My column probably yeah. Yeah i mean what a tweet by me was my kansas city star. Should be paying me for the promotion. Did for them. Fifty thousand link clicks for the kansas city star from our account. Oh that's the most they've ever had in their entire existence. Why didn't you just blog. Their store and the clicks for barstools forced to go to a wedding. And i didn't want to be called the scumbag for not going. Who would do that. Yeah i know definitely. You definitely would have flown under the radar. Had you not gone to that wedding for sure. I never would have been invited that wedding. Oh no no. I know but jack was invited and he chose to go to the wedding which was a smart move. In retrospect because certain someone who didn't has gotten fucking roasted for it you didn't have tickets to the bucks game. I didn't i couldn't even watch the weren't even any. Tv's at the place. Where why am. I got married this weekend. I think because finally the world is open. Or i guess the country is open so everyone can parties again. Yeah i advise against getting married. You're playing at the right way casing. I know i don't want to get married. Sounds not great to be honest I had sex just two months ago. Thank you very much. Okay so i mean i. We talked about this routing. I talked about this on our drive back from the shore house last weekend. You remember when we're in mississippi me rudy and katie. And you're like it's wild that the three of you guys don't necessarily know who the next person you're going to have sex with us and rooting are like it is really crazy that like if you are married and you are a very loyal person like you know forever. You're going to have sex with yup. That's a wild thing to think about schedule. Every every tuesday night. After mac and cheese and pork chops. I'm not this doesn't sound like life for me. That's like pork chops. I do love mac and cheese. I married you just not for me right now. Maybe one day living. What's your favorite southern food. Because casey let me tell you something. I've had fried okra. I've had a i've had some are corn and people down of northbound even of you know in texas what sweetcorn in different collard greens or my favorite. I'm not a big green sky. But i liked it. They're available collard greens with like the really crispy bacon them. Put a little bit of vinegar on them all oxytocin. You like hot sauce. I put hot sauce on literally everything. But dan you get some fresh cooked collard greens and bacon some vinegar. Some hot sauce. By the way i ran into meredith again. Who had last year blonde hair girl. She had cancer and she said i ran into her and omaha took a picture with her And send it to. But i forgot about it until now well send it to me anyways i will. I will meredith shutout all right g. cans. Should we talk about. Kansas is the dumpster fire. So a it's a dumpster fire that was. I don't think it's dumpster fire now. I believe rosa was speaking of the. Kansas won the hiring process this year. I think they hired a good coach landslide home from buffalo and they got a lot of transfers from buffalo. I think kansas will be considerably better team from the absolute who knew that when we were all wrong we were all stupid two years ago when they hire less miles where you're like. Finally kansas get serious about football. Finally kansas hire a real football coach finally less miles getting another opportunity. It turns out no he. he was trash at kansas. He was trashed. She was human. Ming and now it comes out that there was a player at kansas. Who was going through. Some things and another player threatened to kill him and when he went to less miles in the kansas administration. They didn't do anything about it. They offered him fifty thousand dollars to shut up. Well just unbelievable what to make it to make it worse. The guy the kid wasn't from what the story that was written in the kansas city star made it seem as if it wasn't necessarily that he was going through something. He reported anonymously to the kansas athletic department that the players that live below him or selling drugs and then they i assume those players put to into together and said it must have been him who anonymously reported they knew. It was anonymously reported because less miles brought them in to his office to say and talk about art. I think mile said. Hey stop that shit just so you know. It's on people's radar when less miles found out. People under team were selling drugs by the way kansas stunk under les miles so those three players. Whoever was who knows if they're still on the team they they may they. They probably weren't even that good to keep around to like Two while they were selling drugs and then after that then they became a little bit of robbery. Saying we're gonna kill you because you were snake snitch. Also like the little details of like he would notice that like the lug nuts on his tires would just be loosened. That's fucking terrifying. No yet the the guy. The player that was threatened to be who is threatened fucked with three players on the kansas football team. That didn't fuck around and not in a good way on attire. that is like no. They threatened to kill him. they wanted to yes. But i mean just like that's like just in the next level threatening. I'm gonna fucking kill you to your face like that's just like doing sneaky shit note. I think they actually. It wasn't going to kill you. Throw in like what mcgregor said this was like. No no no. We're gonna kill you you just don't know how can i just say one thing. Yeah of course again if any body marshall every threatens to kill me and barstool tries to get me shut up with fifty thousand dollars. I'm going to take the money fifty cats. Ck our probably negotiate up to one hundred. But yeah i'm definitely taken the money and shutting up up for sure i don't if they no no because the money one hundred k. has good that's an outdoor kitchen. You're gonna leave your kids without a dad. But i feel like they're not they're at least going to fix the problem too. And gimme the nine asli reporting trying to get the problem fixed and only got worse. What's going to happen after you take two hundred k. o. Then they're going to want the money they're gonna rob me and kill me. Yep exactly so. You're you're dead and you don't even have an outdoor kitchens leave and go stay with his family like the witness protection program. Fuck that. I think outdoor kitchens or so bad ass air so bad outdoors showers or even better though. Oh outdoor showers or boss to anything that should be inside really outdoor. Tv's outdoor anything at your house. That should be inside is a boss move. That's a good point. Seven outdoor toilets. That means you're very poor. We don't we. Don't want that but outdoor outdoor showers and outdoor kitchens are definitely top of my list but yeah this situation is so it's just like fifty thousand dollars to tell some kid to shut up and go home. They didn't even offer them fifty thousand dollars. They offered him a ski. It was equated the fifty thousand dollars it was his scholarship and then his per diem so he got fifty k. And his trip home. Don't worry i'm not really worried about the player and what they offer. This is just further proof that les miles is just a colossal piece shit There's all this stuff he's tied to lsu with the sexual assault and the hiding nat There's this like less. Why don't you just fuck in handle some business one time. Why don't you fuck and say hey don't kill this guy entre say hey you're going to kill somebody you're off the team. Hey stop raping. People know you just want to win. Football games less is done done done. Now he's done so he's on the list for sure and the more that comes out the it's like. How did kansas not do their due diligence with all this stuff with him. That's what i'm so confused. I understand this happened at kansas. But we had this exact same conversation. The last time information came out about him. How did does not know this was happening. Did they just not care. Do they not look for it was it. Was it hidden who knows. But he seems like a real bag shit. While the one thing i say about kansas. They got new athletic director. They got new everything new coverages. They seem to be going in a positive direction. Like i said. I love the jokes landslide over in buffalo. I think he's a legitimate coach that they finally got instead of a character unless miles in a really shitty asshole character unless miles brandon told me that you died at the college world series in omaha. You were you. Were actually legitimately dead for a couple of hours higher. You feel now. Well let me tell you a more update days story okay. this is about revitalize this is about the drink that sponsors us. That has absolutely fantastic. Their strawberry drink is my favourite tasting. Drink in the world but about friday last friday. I decided to go play golf down here in mississippi with my my friend and you guys now yeah i do. His name bradley barton. He's an almost fan so we go out. We play a little golf. I play twelve holes. And then i pass out and i get my head my mind now the last time this happened in new york i my migrants setting in when i had to run on the treadmill and we went back to the office. I got a couple of invites them down. I ran went away. I was fine. I was able to to get everything this time. I did not have ri- light and try another drank. Needless to say the migraine set in. And i was toast all night. Bombing everything i overeat a lot and i need my revitalize because it takes care of me and i don't even know if that's the story they won't tell i lived. Well i mean they want people to know that it re hydrates you for sure puts all those electrolytes back in you. I'm sorry that you pass out after twelve holes. That's a sad sight. But to add here. Casey going on new york is not like going outside and mississippi. I grew up in texas asshole. Well i grew up in mississippi. It was hot and it was ninety degrees and it was not the heat humidity. I know i know it's hottest fuck. I'm saying this. Which is why you needed to take some provide alight with you. Meanwhile those of us that were maybe on the east coast drinking a little bit. I needed revitalize very badly. Because it's really good when you're dehydrated. It's good when you're hung over. It tastes amazing. Like you said the orange one is my favorite. But the one that's popping right now is the black label the barstool black label the blue one. We made our own version has stolen stars on it. You can get it right now at convenience stores the parcels sports store get liquor stores and i say this all the time and i really can't say this enough the fact that you don't have to look like an asshole shopping with the baby. Shoppers is my favorite part of the strings. Like going to get the other brand while you're standing next to like baby. Wipes is so incredibly awkward to me but that blue flavor of that we did is also delicious. it's fantastic. I love the strawberry. The most with the blue flavors. Very good e- drink half before you go to sleep half when you wake up you can drink them throughout the day like we do whether you're dehydrated from working out at does truly help your hangovers. And we're all partying right now. Most of us are so make. Sure you go grab your revitalize again you can tag at drink. Provide light and your morning after stories go to partial sports store and get your vitali black label today and don't pass out like brandon. Did twelve holes. Sounds like a fun saturday. Damn right this morning. Frank solich Step down ohio ohio by the way one of the favorites to win the mac. They're they're very good team very program and he is stepping down so what that means is old teddy bear. Brown is now the oldest coach in college football. Yeah what a saint and still. He did comma teddy bear. That's a compliment. Hold on katie. This literally what you told me before. The show i was like. Oh so you said yeah. Matt ramsey oldest coaching football repeated. Your fact yeah. I'm not saying it's a bad thing. I just so it's kinda spicy today my thing we're like why does he do it. Close the year to the because he just found out how sticky is right health issues. Mark my bad. I missed that part of the announcement. Yeah it's like health concerns. No because he doesn't really worry about old people and their deaths or funerals or anything you know it was funny. Katie though everything was fine when you text me that i was sitting in the funeral. I was answering you. I was like okay. Well i was thinking about the games. I was on the games i was like well and then you sent the follow text. Don't worry about it. So i'll put my phone number. I love that you were just like. Oh shit i gotta get or these answers. Because then i text her and i said do i need to get them to you today. Can i get him to tomorrow. When i'm not drinking. And she goes. Well brandon's out of funeral so we can revisit this. I like all right. So brandon is like mourning the loss of a family member. And i'm too drunk to look these games up so this is the ground. I don't think we ever got on the phone. This is the grandmother who was a huge alabama fan. And i think. I've tried to call her on the show. A couple of times last year to mess whether about alabama but So she announcement she she got buried with a bear bryant hat and an alabama crimson tide blanket inside the casket sal huge huge alabama fan. So it was at her request. Yeah yes she was. She's bedtime alabama when they played out or how. Clean our house now just elephants and all his roll tide shit. I didn't get anything. But a couple of cookbooks. So the alabama memorabilia. No i don't. I do all cookbooks. So any o'reilly auto parts hats or no. no no. no. We're actually related to dillon. He dolan says he was. Could he make the funeral or was he had a shift. No nice close tuscaloosa. You didn't know how to get the guy got it so all right more news anymore. News i don't think there's a whole on news talk state tattoos guys they want. They're asking for all their stuff to be reinstated. Which brings me to a question. I'm sure you guys talked about it on the show last week or last two weeks but with the nfl stuff passing and with players allowed to get money now. Is it time to forgive every player that ever got punished for taking money. Is it time to forgive every booster that ever gave money. Is it time to forgive. Every coach that ever got busted and got out of the business because he was giving players money. Is it time to do all that or do you say no you. They were the rules. Dan you broke them so you're always looked at his now. Cast i mean my inclination. Say yes you should forgive all of them. But i know that that's not what's going to happen. Like the big one is should reggie bush get his heisman but we did talk about that and i said i thought he should have gotten it back even before the. Nfl stuff came. I thought it was always ridiculous. We know who won the heisman. The year that reggie bush won the heisman. I think they should get vince young. Who should have won the heisman. I i'm a big. I'm a big proponent of five years after the awards given out let's do a should have one at the guys on the guy who wanted to the want keep it but otherwise you know give charles woodson stoop peyton manning give give choices somebody else. He'll theory that would be that'd be great. That'd be electra. Tv though like the master ceremony how they have to like put the green jacket on the next winter like they have to just hand them their trophy like a marketing room had been dominant. Sue went to marketing rooms house and and had to repossess by himself. The that's i watch. It would be fantastic. How i have a few news notes. Go ahead all right. We'll start the arkansas wisconsin and notre dame offense of line were all sponsored by barbecue places. All in their respective college towns. I think that's great right. Barbecue in arkansas is going to send us. Some barbecue is great. They're the official offensive. Line sponsors of the arkansas razorbacks. We'll see they're going to send us some some barbecue up. Get sam penman. Unblock me on twitter. Okay i'll ask them that too then. This was interesting on the nfl front. This was from july. Sixth cave on thebault. Which is who's probably gonna be a top five pick. His first and i'll deal was with phil knight in tinker hatfield who were both loaded and both big boosters of the oregon program and it was just an art piece. So are we going to see kind of You know how some businesses we'll just somebody on staff pay them one hundred fifty thousand dollars a year. Just be just do whatever because like they're like a friend family or something like that though. You see that in organized crime a lot is that what boosters are gonna feel. Boosters are going to start working like mafia members shredder. We're just we're just a transition period. It will be confusing. It will be. It will be hard to follow for awhile. Guys will be getting their money but eventually the incidentally will just say what controlling this is like is like a controlling a flow a dam or controlling a a raging river is just this is leading towards him just getting actual salaries of five ten years down the road. It's wide open now. I don't know it's the wild west. I mean whatever a guy can get. He's gonna get who the guys who've been now make no mistake. The boosters like the accuse phil knight or something but big boosters at schools have been paying players for a long long time and now they can do it right. They have reported on their taxes. Now that's all changed at doing that. Anyways they were just lying about what it was. So i mean i. It's like it's murky it. You don't really know what's going on. But i think you can just rest assured that players are getting taking care of now and it will streamline itself into a sensical system very very soon. That's what i mean anytime. There's money it will eventually figure itself out in the most efficient way possible brain. What i said when we talk a couple of weeks ago was that it is also going be like the snowball effect because you know they came out and they said you can't do alcohol or only fans or gambling whatever but then they basically said you can do anything else other than byu in coffee. But that's gonna start getting murky to like. I think it's getting get messy because are going to start finding ways to do cameo like like all of these things are not gonna be able to regulate so it is moving towards the salary thing for sure but like the in. The idea is amazing the way that it was implemented all of a sudden you can just do whatever you want outside of like adult tie brands. Like it's gonna be a pain in the ass for a lotta people. But i think that's the best way to do for sure. See footing into it would have been a mistake. I love it. I'm saying that. I don't think that schools and i mean obviously the nc double a. Who are just clowned. Basically like it's going to be very very hard to have any type of containment on this all right so anymore. Yes yes ruckers. wide receiver. Karnal davis was knocked out on july fourth and the jersey shore. I don't know if you saw that video. That was a good not a good video. I should say that. He he was injured. Dimitrius roberson a us. He was a big recruit when he came on as wide receiver. He was at cowley went to georgia. He transferred the auburn and then conveniently. There was a report surface again. The georgia media decided to put out that he is a felony charge against them. Which is actually just stemming from like parking in the wrong place and car. Yeah at the university of georgia. Then there was one tuffy to third. Oh my god. Did you see that dog. So cute jesse creature. That is my only. He was walking out there and fly like flew through and he got his attention for a second. You haven't only thing about that as a unc. Fan i gotta say and state cute dog and much better than those two balls about cheap perfect human or perfect dog there. The wolf pack. They have a dog as mascot. You wolfson dogs are like the same that looks like a wolf husky but it looks like a wolf. Looks like wait. What do you expect them to have a tame. They contain a tiger but they walked off. That's fucked up. How they tend that tiger tiger should be in the lyles exactly. That dog is domestic. Dog is being scott. Wha- we have now we have south carolina. Did you see this photo this guy. Yes crop top gang I love that. And then this wait. 'til branding is back to talk about this. I refuse to shame that katie. What do you like. So what's your problem with reveille. She's not an aggie. Yeah come back on that one asshole. Nc state rival the whole pack of wolves not their mascot give the crimson tide is not a fucking elephant. You won't alabama just have a whole bunch of water and just stadium until everybody says they want you think they haven't thought about having an elephant walk them out. I got some bad news for you. They definitely tried to do that. But he's saying that if you went through to the actual mascot name that they would just drown everyone at bryant denny because they're the roll tide. Oh that would be unbelievable kind of thing about threat. Just drop a swarm of yellow jackets ono. Don't do that. Don't do that casey. We're not gonna talk about that okay. One last thing casey. We're going to talk again about this texas guy. Did you see this brandon. The kid dancing locker. Whatever over these We're not shaming wiggled. Dickey was six are no or not. I'm just not knowledge to let them do stupid either way. Is i have some beef with you. Guys ben grinding away at this social account for four years shane. Beamer reaches out to us on the social account. And i text twice in our group chat shane. Beamer falls us. Shame beater tweeted at us. Shane beamer just interacted us with even garcia. No reply outside of katy. Which i understand things going on but but right now right now and but like come on guys. My grandmother died. I don't remember this. is it tax. It's back when i hit a live in grandmother. No it's not. Jesus condolences to the marshall football player. That unfortunately passed away. And tanner morgan's father tender morgan the quarterback from minnesota who passed away That was really unfortunate And outside of that. I think we i retweeted umass. Football is back to full capacity to not there ever will be full capacity. Oh cases tattoo got updated. Yeah what was the update out the gig onto your forehead. No it's always been there. He got more details on my face. Apparently that's creepy. Yeah he definitely. I mean. That's my face is tattooed on a man's thigh or at brennan. Let's get you five six five six. Well you've already given one. No i haven't yes. He did or was it. I just remember you said this was your take all i. It's a part of my take. Okay here are my five. Tech's okay if you read. What's he going. Bathroom north watts. He's just doing test one. Okay number one. Every year we walk into a season. And there's this theory out there Of non ball fan said. Oh it's going to be one of three teams every year. Only three teams when it's alabama years clinton every state every year here is the thing in two thousand twenty one alabama clemson and ohio state are not going to be down as programs however alabama clemson and ohio state are all going to be down enough that it opens up the field for more parody at the top of college football this season if you walk into the season thinking oh it's alabama it's clinton's ohio state you're robbing yourself of a wide open top of the field and comfortable this year. There are two teams to programs. That won't right into that under just as strong as those three. So that gives us five. And then there's others like notre dame texas. Am iowa state that are in that six to fifteen range that can compete for a playoff spot. I think there are five programs. This year that our ultimate national title contenders and i put one of these teams who i've had it on the past as my national title favourite as of right now georgeanne that same that i have on in the past. I have realized over the off season. They will finally in two thousand twenty one. The team that their fans have pretended they've had the whole time. It's the oklahoma sooners. So i saw her number five and six georgia and oklahoma four and five. Or yes. okay. I believe alabama clemson ohio state georgia oklahoma or your five national title tier teams this year. The second year has your am notre. Dame's your your other teams but this year that's here is not very teams fighting. Oklahoma may have a defense this year. Oh oklahoma so two years ago oklahoma fans were wrong when they said oh we have defense. Now we haven't even now have now jovan new orleans and joe borough throws from ninety five touchdowns now they actually have one. They have a pass rush. They have a good defense. They have a lot coming back on the defense. They're an actual decent defense now and their offense their main. They're only question mark to me. Is prince rattler really elite or is he oklahoma elite because there's oklahoma elite. They can win. The big twelve went to a conference title and gets playoff and shit the bet or there's really elite which is winning national title. I don't know if he's really. We'll find out. But i having a stroke. Their receiver core is very very good at always moms other guys are you okay. Yeah why because he hates oklahoma. Oh no no no. No no no. He's rational home brand walker tells the truth at all times brandon walker has never lied about oklahoma brokers. Always been right about oklahoma. So when brian walker finally looked at oklahoma and says oh they're legit then you better fucking put the money down there legit. They finally got a legit running back. Kenny brooks. he's just a guy. But they got eric great from oklahoma from tennessee. They got like four or five transports in tennessee. They can fill immediate holes for them. They're very very very good this year. Georgia's my choice to win the national title. But i think georgia oklahoma one this year. Do you think that okay. Let's let's hypothetically say spencer. Rattler is elite to see when the heisman we'll certainly be in the running for it We'll do the heisman. Michigan conference doesn't play defense. They will be all the marquis games and he will be in playoff contention so yeah. He'll he'll probably be in your for the heisman ceremony i think. Jt daniels for the heisman ceremony for giving these guys stay healthy But if you look at alabama clemson ohio state everybody just assumed assumes and that's fine but two years ago alabama was not in the playoffs. They weren't and they're not. You know ordained to be there every year and this year everybody assumes bradshaw. That's going to be great. Right is gonna be that. Because he's alabama's quarterback he's like five six. He's probably gonna be really fucking good but i can't put them above somebody who spencer rattler who's proven at this level. I like oklahoma my second. Take my second take. And this isn't five because i just like combined like three in that one. I think the big twelve can be the number two conference in the country. This year by nasty. Sec behind the sec and challenge the thing about it if texas is any good which is which is a stretch and steve sarkissian. Everybody thinks he's forty six and thirty five tom but if they're good that gives them a strong three because iowa state a national title contender there a second tier national dinner and then oklahoma's a first year titled too. I mean i don't think the acc has to. I don't think the big ten is your has to you. Don't think that that. Acc with clemson north carolina. And i'd say here's the thing about north carolina. They have the best quarterback in the country. They lost every receiver both running backs. He is going to be surrounded by entirely new guys. Offensively defensively they'll be good but i don't think they're they're jumping to that level yet. What about miami. Miami's a wildcard. I think they could be an eleven one team and pretend they also could be a mirage. Right i just. I mean i think that this year the acc would be more of an argument that they could contend has a charm. Rose okay. yeah why he'd lines cocaine. No no no. No i just. I'm sorry my nose etched in. Okay jack can. I disagree about the unc. Part dying. the. I think that you find a reload. I just don't think we can get by clinton so i don't think like will be the top of the acc act makes it's gonna be clemson. It's not gonna be us by some maybe miracle of god otherwise no who have clemson never really lose it last year notwithstanding how they never lose the second best team in the acc they always randomly lose like the fourth of six best team in the acc someone. Yeah you know who that is going to be for them this year. Nc state nc state nc state is going to be good but see. That's my argument with that. Is that like the. I think that the acc is more of a you much better than see. Stay way way. More competitive conference has been because trevor lawrence has gone quarterback wise. I'd say the topic i will say. It does fit the narrative that clemson's playing nc state at clemson. Nc state never beat clemson at their own stadium. They always beat them. Or what i mean. I think i like. I'll meet yes Nc states arrival of unc. For football. But i just don't. I'm not worried about them from a football standpoint bill rivalry but that's definitely something that can sneak up. They have the talent and the depth this year. They're definitely planning raleigh jar. No they're not all week for planning roy. I love it. He said no. They're not as if it was just absolutely they made my list for week four I will say though with ohio state. I was talking to two big today again. Everybody's always excited about the next guy after you'd have somebody like justin fields. But he's doped about this new quarterback. Of course he has because he's a fucking ohio state fan who stoked about any by the. Where's the grey in the scarlet. He's he's stoked now and then next offseason he'll be stoked about quin yours. The recruit from texas. Who's like the highest recruit. They've ever ever twenty four seven has them as a perfect one. Point zero zero zero zero. He's a higher recruit trevor long or obsessed with this guy bleacher report put out an insert grim posting. We've identified the next patrick mahomes about. He's still has another year of high school. i wanted to somewhere in texas carol. oh yeah dona southlake carroll turns out now yeah they do but still. I mean like yeah. He's he's excited about j. T. shrout for for for a week for a month and then it'll be the next guy We now here's the thing about ohio state clemson alabama every single one of them replacing their quarterback every single one of them replacing their main running back every single one of them alabama's replacing every receiver the four receivers over the last two years. I understand their alabama. And i understand. There's going to be a bunch of five stars but you've got teams like oklahoma and georgia than built for this season. Just like lsu was built for two thousand nineteen and nobody saw it coming. Oklahoma and georgia built for this season. Alabama's not albums hoping that they gotta quarterback. They're hoping they got running backs. They're hoping that always five stars be great receivers but oklahoma georgia railroad now. I like the oklahoma take to him. You know that. I've been team oklahoma for three years until they get to the playoffs. But the biggest thing that you said which is absolutely true and you know big twelve fans lose their fucking mind every time we say this but the big twelve does not play good defense in comparison to other conferences but if oklahoma can play good defense in the big twelve then it will be a cakewalk for them. I have that the big twelve hasn't been playing good defense this year. I allstate has got a great defense. Oklahoma's got a great defense state has a really good defense. So this year. I think but you don't even have to like compare them to like an se or a big ten defense like they just have to be a good defense within their conference because half the teams don't play defense. Yeah no that's true. And i just think objectively look at oklahoma boys looked at him as a phony as a fraud. I somebody who could win. That league was built for that league but when they get in there where they lead athletes they could not hold up. And that's been the case. This year i think they have the athletes plus the elite the teams what the athletes a clemson album and ohio state are all in transition years. These are not all strength years for them. These are all transition years for them so and their transition years are better than anybody else's great years but it's still transition year so i think that's why i think oklahoma is a legitimate. Not just a threat the playoff when they get there. I think they can actually win. This time locum brandon. No no no no not welcome you light. You'll get a on mistakes me. You mocked me. For saying spencer rattler was going to be a really good quarterback. I drafted oklahoma last year. Along per se in jalen hurts was great and they can win a national title. Then that was ridiculous. No i well. I didn't say they could win a national title. They're gonna lose in the playoff. But i said that jalen hurts was a good quarterback but when we drafted teams last year. Oh she's gonna like spencer rattler just because he's an oklahoma quarterback here we are a year later. Welcome there's a difference last year and this year last year he had never proven anything. He was fine. Melting still wasn't an elite. He was fine. The lost two games but this year. I think he's going to be a lot better now. my next he's rubbing his hands together. I if you're listening to this and not watching the youtube you're really doing yourself a disservice. Because brandon's facial expressions and hand gestures today have been off the charts. I think the new playoff will drive an exciting surge of group of five football. And i think group of five football is about to catch fire. I think it's about to open up the sport. This happens in the next five to ten years. But once you see group of five teams able to get playoff spots and once you see us cincinnati. Let's use natty for example. Know jack doesn't like him but they're the best to provide team this year. Let's say look to stay there ten years and they in the first year of the expanded playoffs. They made it and they made it again all of a sudden. You've got a group of five alabama. You've you've got a group of five program that can that can absolutely stick up there and make the playoff every year and it changes the dynamics. Cincinnati now maybe sucks a little bit of life away from ohio state. I'm using him as example. I don't know if that's going to happen. But i think these top nine or ten group of five teams can have such a competitive war every year for these ten eleven. Twelve spots the cincinnati's the ucs memphis The the the boise state of the world nevada's of the world. I think this is going to be such an exciting subtext to the season. Everybody says only three games matter every year. Still going to be very teams. Know when you get these fucking sixty teams fighting out for these three two or three spot one or two spots. It is going to be fucking electric. And what does it mean. Let's say let's say. Cincinnati were to catch fire okay. Let's say they were test fire. Let's say just for argument's say they made four or five playoffs in a row. Does the big ten say. Hey cincinnati come come dance. I don't know is that certainly. If this were integrating fourteen could make that happen. Yeah i mean it's going to get really interesting because we knew with four spots in the playoff that a group of five team was ninety. Nine point i'm going to say ninety nine point. Five percent never going to make the playoffs even if they went completely undefeated because having four spots and five power conferences. Whatever like that was just impossible so they were all fighting out for those at large bids in the the big bowl games now with the expanded playoff. You're absolutely right. Because they know that they could actually make on a stage where they play the ohio states in the alabama in the clemson's and all of those games matters so much. That's why i hate this. Whole argument like expanding. The playoff makes the regular season matter. Less it does not. It makes it matters so much more to teams like cincinnati. Because they know they might have a chance to go in and beat nick sabin in the playoff if they play well throughout the season so i love it and also from a gambling standpoint. It's gonna be really fun. Because like now i mean you already gambling on like the big group of five games. Now you're gonna be paying attention to the group of five even more so so a couple more takes. There's this notion out there that lsu is going to bounce back this year. And i think it's fucking stupid like say that i've like to squat on the tape at lsu was average last year that will be average this year because they have an average head coach and they have above average talent but they went out and found defensive coordinator. Nobody else wanted they. This is not going to be a back program. jack. I don't want to deal with the lsu smoke. Don't don't let this particular we just wanna go and tell you lsu by saying they're gonna win tantalum games no no. They're really not. So where do you think are going to be. Here's the i think the sec down this year. i think alabama's gonna be good not elite. I'm sorry. Limited refers at alabama by alabama standards will not be elite. You're not seeing alabama's gonna be bad. I keep wanting a preference i just like in your last. Take when you say. Clemson and alabama teams go. This is a lower tier. Alabama team can still god tier college football. Alabama am georgia or your top three sec teams after that four four four for thirteen minus vanderbilt. All the exact same auburn lsu arkansas mississippi florida kentucky put them all in a sack thrown around and drawn out the same even with mrs offense. Their defense might be the worst in the country. Plus listen our say this about i really. I'm looking forward to watching them this year. I think lane kiffin. Great father figure those those players out there. I think i think anybody would. Daddy issues would love to watch miss this year. He's he's just a great. He's able to be that team and he's he's just a very good father figure. I just want to say that about lane kiffin i. I won't say anything else. But stephen garcia followed me on twitter. Who did because he interacted anyways. I just now. He just follow me on twitter. Okay super okay. We're just gonna brag about stephen garcia. Well no. I'm saying that jack was right about us. Not interacting with the tweet. Had we interacted with. I mean shame. Beat or whatever by the way brennan do you know. Lsu's win total and a half under. I think i'd now. I i would think over their schedule. You guys you're falling for. Let me tell you another thing. You'll talk let me tell you this. Oh boy not his piaget going under. I'm making a statement right now. They're losing the ucla and now they shut actually. Ucla has game ahead of time. I game okay okay fine. I'm writing some people. Wait what's the date. It's leasing starters back fourteen. They've sixteen starters back last year. They replacing entire team. They also had bopha pollini who may have been the worst. Sec defensive coordinator of all time and then on top of that. Their schedule isn't that hard. They avoid georgia they avoid. I think they avoid florida. I'm they play. They play for it. Of course what am i saying. But then they have to play obama. And i'm of course. And then between ole miss florida. I think they could even find a way to win because they play florida at home and then i think they'll lose that almost all right. I mean that's the ucla lsu line. Right now i would assume it's like where's the minus four and a half it's at ucla. I would take plus four and a half right now when you see always going to be favor about getting kicks off. That's that's a crazy before the game before because they have is in like year. Four chip kelly. I tell you there. If chip kelly is ever going to be any more time for coach. Oh two i would say. It's more time for him. Did you see that list. Somebody tweeted us. That i tell you. I tweeted from the not on it. Oh i just can't. I don't love lsu over under the way just to win. Totals next. jim harbaugh's number six. Bring your bring your brandon. Really your five favorite win totals next week. Okay we'll write that down. Did you see this hottest coaching seats. Heading into two thousand twenty one list are do scott. Frost is number one. Do you agree with that. Although i think today's news of albert's being named the russia led richard pryor bison a year. Yeah hotel is five jim harbaugh is six clay helton is seven number one pays to probably be number one herm edwards seems okay so number one scott. Frost is wednesday. Three is is randy. Edsall four herm edwards five coach. Oh six jim harbaugh. Seven klay held eight. Walt bell and nine dana diamond. You tip while. Her members is only on the list. Because of what's going on behind the scenes I don't think for anything that's on the field. So we'll we'll figure that out but yeah i'd probably say for wednesday should be number one two and frost process a very strong one or two but again i think traverse the football guy being today's buys me here i don't think he walks in and fires hometown guy in your that anymore anymore. Hot takes from you. Yeah well there was one more so jat mentioned. Lsu's over eight and a half. I think the over under total that. I would marry myself to the most right. Now is indiana under Eight and a half. I think in the end of the the biggest fraud from last year. It is assume that. Be a top fifteen team this year. In fact michael. Junior is number five on that pro. Football focus quarterbacks list. I think that is one of the dumbest things i've ever seen in my life. And he has nowhere near the fifth best quarterback in the country. They're going to start owen one. They're going to start one and two. I looked at this earlier. They're going to start two and three start three and four. They've got some really tough games. Early they gotta go to penn state as well. Indiana is going to. They're gonna fall on their face. Yeah play cincinnati an out of conference. Can i just say this. And i know we only had to go one year without it because it was the global pandemic but these these non conference matchups sounds so sexy and i don't know if they would sound sexy the sexy if we didn't have last year happened but boy do these non conference matchups out the big ten in the big ten steps. One was some conference games victory in week. One has penn state wisconsin and indiana where they start at at iowa starting then cincinnati in week three. They got at penn state in week five. They got at ohio state or the state at home in week. Seven at michigan week nine. They're gonna. they're gonna be flirt. Losing season all season indiana. Because be interesting. Wait you know who. Indiana was last year brandon so yup and what in minnesota the year after their breakthrough fell apart. Wh- that yeah. That's what i was getting it. I'm not sold on indiana being one and done entirely but they were. There were a fraud last year. There was not getting blown out by ohio state. No me it's hard to tell like. Especially like look at the michigan and penn state. You don't really know how much of its covert. How much of it is a year. How much of it is just the environment. Like i think penn state will have the biggest bounce back out of all of them. I think penn state is a is a great ten for for bounceback. Michigan's not going to be fine. But i don't think. I don't think it's going to be like bounce back to where michigan fans want them to be. I mean who's really do for. Lsu has to be do. They only went five and five michigan again. The fact that we knew they probably wouldn't fire. Jim harbaugh over the fact that gave him an extension. It was good for them to give him extension. They got they didn't have to pay him as much money. Show all right here. We go wait. Hold on yes. Can i go get another water. My throat's dry. Yeah go literally a high noon. Washington will i guess they didn't eat. That's not a bounceback. Because they were supposed to be in the pac twelve championship game. That is phil. Steele's number one. Is it surprise team or and who was. Who was his number one overall team. Wasn't someone surprising to. Oklahoma is oklahoma. Which isn't that rising. But i would say that i mean. I don't think there's a lot lotta places out there that have oklahoma number one. I agree and i the thing about oklahoma as if you study them. The the problems they've had recently are having an actual defense and a fake defense but now they have filled so many holes with with transfers. I mean they have. They probably hit the transfer puerto harder and better than anybody. They got tennessee. all tendencies. the players and eric gray. I think it's an all american running back waiting to happen. And they picked up that wide receiver from arkansas. I recall correctly and didn't even meet him just went and got him. They didn't even meet them and they had a running back or h back that got arrested and kicked off the team this past week but i looked into it. They don't need him. He was just one of one of like fifteen options. this year. Heading into the season for spencer rattler oklahoma lincoln riley. I know there's a lot. There's a big a lot of questions out. There is an elite coach. Not just a great coach. But i completely agree with you. They really have a chance to be calm. Maybe something in. Maybe they take a step forward. That's crazy to say because they've made the playoffs so many times maybe step forward to be winning a playoff game. Well yeah that's that's the step right. I mean they permanent playoff. They haven't proven they can win in the playoffs. So that's that's what i think all right. Let's fill our ultimate road trip for has won't do that. yes also. I just like everyone to know that. Normally we do this podcast. And the other podcast. 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Two seven seventy three. So how'd you guys won't talk about do we want to nominate a game Every every person nominates game from wait one week two and then we'll decide what game. Yes so so we will. I think we should just go round the table like wine. What our number one nomination is. And if it's unanimous than we know if it's not then we argue it or we'll go ladies first. Casey starts then then katie. Are we doing weeks zero to right now. Why don't we go to hawaii. Ucla okay yeah sir. Put that down. We're going to hawaii or do you want to go to fresno we know we're going to hawaii okay. I'm which i do not want to go to fresno california week one despite my graphic that we put out saying that it would be alabama versus miami. I say we go to georgia at clemson. Yes agreed so. You're you're nominating georgia clemson at charlotte. So that's a neutral site. Yes i agree with her all right well here the ones i thought enough yet to nominate one. I thought of penn state it wisconsin thought of that too in the nfl iowa. I cross off list because of all those stupid ass bitches. Iowa sneaky one sneaky one north carolina virginia tech on a friday night. I saw that one. I saw that one too. Not thrilled about lsu ucla but i think unanimously we will. We will go ahead and decide best game of the week. We will knock out now here. You gotta think you think okay so this is taken away george clemson. You hit those teams one more time. Yes but but it doesn't take away tire stadium though. Yeah so that's why. I liked it because neither of those teams playing tiger stadium casey. Lsu definitely sorry death valley. Death doesn't take away death valley so we're going unanimously. Jack georgia clemson arlit k. That's easy georgia clemson. Charlotte is wig one. Put that on the graphic your week to source ula more difficult. Are we still going to be the same order. Do you want to mix up the order. we'll go say more because that was easy. Let's start the order right here with you organ at ohio state. Same girls just gonna we haven't even seen lists pre. We have our own lists. You can see it on youtube right. Now look brandon own lists suck it all second. Art have cheer them. The i have two other ones on. Yeah what are together joining the help. What are you what are you doing. We thought about it individually. We've prepared. There's two other games that we yup i think four games. But here's a trip. That i would like to take at some point in my life. Utah at byu. I wanna go to. byu only go to provo. I wanna go game out there. It looks beautiful as the holy war. It's it's epic. I think there will be a time to catch. Ohio state later in the season. And i think it's shocked go. Oregon allow states. I don't want to go to utah. Byu or at iowa state. how is it chocolate oregon. Ohio state not chocolate. Take georgia clemson georgia clinton. But i don't want to take two weeks in a row. Talking iowa iowa state would be a good trip share and at mississippi. I mean know events. I'll hey can give you guys a sneaky one to to put on the table though a sneaky one am at colorado so we could go to boulder. I do want to go to boehner this year. but the way i feel like boater border colorado colorado and utah are going to be the same weather same fucking same fucking night so i'd rather go utah. Byu in week. Two jacqueline was your. What was your point. Your state oregon state organs find was state. Okay so majority organ at ohio state. Okay talk ask pitches all chuck. I have different ones. we could go to oregon. Okay we can revisit if almond because utah. Byu and do what circle. I'm the only one the only ones that think outside the box here. No one outside. The boxer reminding ready for my week. Three outside the box. Why are you can go first every time you said to keep it the same so that time. What are you going for a career. I this time. I will go first jacko first week three. Cincinnati at indiana. We're not going to go into indiana ever again Sorry in the nfl. But cincinnati indiana we get to see two teams we get to see or two pretty good teams that have high expectations and also we get to see a indian. Are they legit in when it comes to tailgating for football whatnot. I know there are a basketball school but the second year of a pretty good football program. So cincinnati and indiana is in a bad pick in. My book is brandon. Aren't so i. I have several here that would like to discuss auburn at penn. State you know. Sec big ten clash a going to knock out penn state. It's great road trip. But the one i'm gonna nominate is outside the box because i am capable of that thinking. Well if you're i think you're about to say the one that i'm thinking i i always. I don't like watching this field on tv. However i feel like if i go there and experience an in person might get a new appreciation for it and this is early in the season. I think the weather would be good. Here's the weather we avoid. We need to avoid the south in september. Okay avoid the hot in september avoid cold november. That is my role. So we're gonna go north. We're gonna. I'm gonna nominate oklahoma state at boise state. I do not hate that logic. I cannot look at that field it hurts. My fucking is like i. I'm sure the weather is fantastic. But boy that would hurt to stare out for an entire game all right what's yours mine. Nebraska oklahoma. Why because i think that after all the waves that nebraska last year they're talking about playing and like before the season they were playing like different countries and know they were. They were all about playing. And then you've got oklahoma. Who's a really good team. You've got big ten versus the big twelve. I think you'll actually see how good spencer rattlers against a big ten defense and i want nebraska to be good again i think nebraska is good for football is more fun. The nineties were more fun so nebraska oklahoma like a again non conference games are warning them to be good and then being good two. Different things well right. But i'm saying if i like going to games in norman unless they're playing 'em because in it's terrifying but i think that that game will probably be a night game and nebraska in norman would be a very cool game already. Say it's an eleven. Am game and at home and got really mad. Yeah yeah it's i don't wanna do it if it's a noon kickoff. Oh no no no. No no i r. It's an kickoff what's yours catherine. It was going to be the auburn penn state game but to keep us from all doing four different ones. I'm going to back Sincere indiana oh i. I got on now. Hold on holum jackson something that was erroneous earlier. Okay glared now jackson. Something that was your was never jackson something. I was running us because he said the jersey cough. He said indiana. We'd never come back to you but that's good in week. Eight ohio. Ohio state of indiana doesn't really have much competition. Oh i see. I have that one too but i have. I think the better one week eight. You know raymond. Yeah yeah so all right. So let's decide. If you guys are going to going to ban we got a better. We go week memphis at. Ucf we can go to florida. No yes we go the jump. How's it going to week eight. We gotta figure out. I okay so all right. So what are we going to do week three. We're not going to indiana auburn penn state. Yeah let's go. Auburn penn state straw. Who cares brandon who we have two votes. Then you guys have to agree on one. Two votes majority rule. Do you agree with brandon on boise state Good luck i fucking hate that field and then back down from nebraska oklahoma. No one wants to go with me to fucking norman such disgusting game. That's my thing. Save up for your principles you want. I want boy. You say oklahoma. Say so we're going to auburn. Penn stages chalky chalky chuck. Chuck just awesome stuff. We go to penn state. You know we look like yahoo sports college football just covering the surface of things right now. This look like and it's going to be a great game. Penn state loves barstool going to. Why don't you to wideouts this year. Okay well week four. I have one that. I definitely don't think anybody else is gonna take so. I'm just to go out and say it out loud so you guys can poo poo it. Ready texas tech texas awful. No here's my reasoning. Because when those two fan bases get together they fucking hate each other in austin. We're never going to go back to austin because awesome doesn't have a great Game day atmosphere. As much as other places however i think that texas tech and texas are pretty similar this year. We're going to see how quote back taxes and that game in week four is going to mean a lot for the conference. And i'm telling you guys texas tech fans are fucking fun to party with feel texas would blow and i love. I love austin. I look for any reason to go to austin. But i know i'm gonna i'm gonna get pooh-poohed on and it's a good good fan bases. I don't think the game will be that good. It's i could be wake forest kind of weak. Yeah i mean. There's one shot game that i think everybody else is gonna have. That's why i thought outside the box on that one. Yeah it's almost like we're going to have to settle with that. But so here's what. I wrote down for week four. I wrote down by the way and wait three. We just didn't talk about alabama and florida at all. I have it on my list. But i don't cans and We also didn't talk about one. That i was virginia tech at west virginia buffoonish ship to virginia. They make it people week four though. Here's what i wrote down. I wrote down. Kansas at duke. Because my god just give me the worst game of national. No there's a yukon. You mask game later on. I wrote down clemson at nc state and kansas state and oklahoma state never never experienced water And then my my mac entry for the year. Oh toledo at ball. State muncie is beautiful in that time. September and then tennessee at florida. But i think ultimately it's almost like by default you have to go. Nuredaim versus wisconsin too. That's so chuck is also the rematch last year of lsu at mississippi state that week. I'm saying i'm very unbiased. National journalist so i have put zero mississippi state games on the west. Let's because you're not gonna meaning good the did you watch. Lsu mr protecting sure. I'm just saying fluke tight. What look i unless you was terrible. I i think we have to go. Notre dame at wiscon- verse wisconsin at soldier field. Gazettes does not make fun of you. Katie they had a bad coordinator on defense. Right now. ause you who's defensive coordinator this year correct. You have no fucking idea. I had a that because they hired. Somebody never even. Better fucking coordinate. Then they run. They aren't somebody that coordinator defense looking at my sheet. I made a sixty page power. Five preview move on. I'll find so we're talking it up again. I don't think i'm going to be. I mean bake national games. People put notre dame wisconsin on my list. And i got pooh-poohed for that. I think it's interesting because it's dot com going back home. But i also think it's going to be a nightmare but i have to go with it. Okay week five now. We're getting down to some nitty gritty. Saying that there aren't they. Jones doesn't know how to coach. Defense is like insane. I'm not saying that everybody's assuming that he does though everybody just send me. He's going to be good based on. What based on what i mean. Even if he's average it's a huge upgrade. If he's average they're still going to be not very good. You can't be averaged in the sec. West defense corner. It's five years of nfl experienced but we'll see. I'm going outside the box on week. Five and i don't give a fuck. What jonathan what. What you're gonna say. Texas games like auburn. Lsu jaffer you testy today. Now just say she got oklahoma. Kansas state you have texas at tcu and the cincinnati dame who jackson a half. I love the troops. I love america and you know when people talk talking about going to football games. I about going to army navy with anything. Only these teams success and i wanna go to. Ucf navy and beautiful. Let's maryland on this beautiful fall day. Ucf at navy. Why don't we just go the week. Pro the two weeks prior. We had the the big discussion about week three. We don't know what to do week. Three let's go week. Three army september. Eighteenth that's when call plays. Oh no why not that. We don't know and then all this week we begin this week. We get to go then this week. We go to cincinnati notre dame. No this was going to michigan. Wisconsin no alabama madison. I wanna go back to madison. We've been in wisconsin. We didn't go to the game. they didn't get to go ask her katie nominate here. All missing alabama. I just wanted their arts. The fuck you. I think their offense. That's going be offensive battle. Sec we're gonna do jack they not it was close last cincy notre dame right. Yeah you did. Who a navy. So katie. and. I and i said michigan wisconsin. You you've already said no to that. Ucf navy's just going to be so gross wants to watch a football brennan does. Apparently it's it adds about weeks. No jacket saying no all right if we can't them we're not going to cincinnati. Can we make. Can we make a team decision here that mississippi state at an is probably good for the team. Yeah i concur. I can't we just go to college station for that game. We probably should. It's gonna be hot as hell. I'm just saying week five. It's both of our teams playing each other. You've never been a kyle field. None of you guys have been to kyle field. You've never been to college station. We went to start the last year. Let's go to an this year. Mississippi say dana. All right. Lock it in. And that's not chock good friends none of my suggestions on the heart and soul of the fucking podcasts. Better make but arguments brain go. I in week. Six this to me is the most loaded week. Okay it's very loaded a bunch of shit and you just took one our games out. I know back to back nelson. Chocking answer would be alabama dana correct. I'm just looking at this. So i'm just i'm just now that the answer. The answer is oklahoma texas a alabama. An answer well. I think oklahoma texas is always look i. I look at georgia at auburn. Because that's an incredible rivalry at oklahoma. Texas i look at penn. State iowa no-name. Virginia tech and this is a loaded ass week. It is but if we're taking taking the most is we're taking the most iconic trevor. Whatever we're doing here. I think you have to go oklahoma texas. Yep i agree. I think we should go to the red river. Shootout red river shootout. It is and we're gonna continue to call it a shootout 'cause fuck everybody also wrote down boise state. It'd be way i wanna book. Byu and what's your obsession with one way you look at this beautiful beautiful gun. Bowl is in texas. it's in dallas. So what i said shitty area myskina nebraska would have been good that way to a loaded. Weight name of virginia tech would've been great. It is a lot week. But i think for for the college football experience we've got to go to the carnival. It stinks there but Okay so week seven. Who's going first. Then katie. I have to one of them. I'm guessing brands talking about miami. Unc the second one ucf in cincinnati. About neither of those. Oh all right. I was going to say miami at north carolina. Let me tell you something if you're planning a college football trip across football stadium trip and you don't go to baton rouge louisiana have to include the best stadium the best tailgating the craziest fans and you've got to go to florida at lsu week seven. I have that written down to more than ucf. Cincinnati yali. I can tell you about the actual game florida. Lsu those teams could be better than both ucf in cincinnati proportionately. Me better i think it'd be. Ucf cincinnati be better. I also don't think right. Why do you want to go to cincinnati ohio. I'm not i i'm thinking. Probably forty five degrees there. I agree with lsd. Lord of being a better environment. I was thinking more of the matchup dislike what it means storyline with the probably. Whoever wins last the best group of five team asian but have on. Lsu so we're not gonna guess okay okay. L. let's see florida working a draft. So i can have all the games i wanted. Well then that would have been stupid graphic. I told you. I wanna do a draft. So i can go to byu people. You're all of a sudden a mormon all right. Look me blond hair. don't have sex. I'm a moment. Florida alycia multiple wives right to imagine that by trading. Wanna got okay. So what did we decide on florida. Lsu floored lsu alberto. jack's yeah okay. It's his opinion more than both. Lsu it is also who wants to go to cincinnati ohio in october. What about my wife. Miami north carolina. So bad i would be fine. But i just not. It's not unless you better. You in maybe notre dame florida at lsu again kind of kind of wild card here. I will let jack leadoff off on this one. Yeah i mean. We're in deep into october. So i guess we could go down to orlando. we already said no. there Obviously probably chock. Pick is no usc at notre dame. But it's gonna be cold up there. But i guess if you wanna go to notre dame e kinda wanna go when it's ninety five ninety degrees you kinda wanna go when it's a little chilly outside. So i want to piss off notre dame. I think it'd be funny if the day that you you. Us's at him. We go to fucking bloomington indiana. Be funny funny. But here's the thing though brandon. Usc at notre dame is the seven thirty kickoff and a night game at notre dame would be sick. aren't i i'm on board for usa. Norway i had it written down i wrote down. Nc state at miami. Ohio state of indiana oklahoma state of iowa. Stay in memphis. ucf i ucf is sneaky sneaky. But i mean if we're gonna go to south ben and it's a night game when you've got the you know the iconic usc helmets klay hiltons on the hot seat. I think that game would be so sick. This is so chalky. I'm doing one next week by myself. And it's going to be my list okay. We'll put out a graphic. it's not chalky. it's just. I mean i also coastal upstate for week talking. It's truckee but it's the ideal trip do you want. Is the ideal trip going to ball. State against ohio. Know unless it's tuesday night in november of college. Football boise state bluefield. Go look at it yourself. Byu with a bunch of morons. Comb an obsession all of a sudden with byu. He's found his people iowa state where people aren't trying to get word living got aims. I have one. Don't worry right. We get usc at notre dame. Let's week nine pick brandon. Probably going to be like indiana against. I'm gonna go with the state not i'm torn between two. I'm torn between two two and you know I'm a little second notre dame. We've been talking about two months after less we can't get. Yeah they're up because we're going there the we before. We hit the stocks we're going to. We're going to get the list so there okay. I'm torn between two and it's michigan and michigan state. 'cause me a rivalry game right up in my and my ass gimme that. Gimme georgia florida at jacksonville. Okay so my two that. I'm trying to decide between our georgia florida. Jacksonville or iowa at wisconsin. That's going to be so that's like watching. Old people thought casey nine six game that game. I just wanted i. I you know. I'm trying to get back to madison. Try back to madison. You wanna fuck and going. I wasn't how. I think iowa's going to be pretty decent this year. What not scoring big grocer game. It will be a gross game. But i also like georgia florida. Yes it's like when it's when it's a good game it's great. It's can kind of a little bit overrated. Sometimes i don't know i've never been. I've been multiple times. You've never been. Katie what's your pick. I wasn't do you and seed notre dame but second option. Probably georgia florida tac. Yeah i think maybe that that rivalry and atmospheres overrated. But it seems cool. You get to talk. Get to experience to columbus. Go to penn state. Don't care we haven't got ohio state yet. Yeah we do oregon ohio state. Oh already know all of you guys you guys at the the largest outdoor cocktail party. Let's go georgia florida. Yup came after ran in week. Ten this catered to you sir. Oh yeah i'm ready to go to texas at iowa. State alum ready to go to the worst part of the country to brandon. Where where are you going. Oxford by fucking govan. I don't care. It's the brenna walker. Morley crumble living. Body okay good away brand. Did you see that. Who liberty picked up a born again christian after he was kicked off of the tennessee. Football team. I'm gonna say this. I think for the sake of the podcast. We have to go to the hugh freeze game absolutely not going oxford mississippi. We're going to washington. No we're gonna aims are first of all hold on arizona. State week right here. We're just skipped. Lsu alabama michigan. Indiana auburn am ohio state nebraska. I do kinda want to nebraska oregon and washington top five lists. Yeah i know. But i played content above it texas at iowa state. Both of those teams are always you'll see versus arizona's very sneaky good. That's going to be the winner of the south. That's not the best game in the pac twelve week between Oregon and washington is my top choice. We've gone to a pack twelve school yet no longer going to washington. Are we going on washington. We're gonna say okay. i got it. Oklahoma aims oklahoma iowa state. Oh perfect day. Playing a norman week twelve so go. There not just really ought to go the bathroom in the middle of this. You got three weeks left here jack. Three weeks jack. Okay oregon. We're going inside on frames. No no sales meetings. So here's the thing here's the thing now. We have not run into this yet. It took us two week ten. We have a two to square off. Then you guys winning because you guys are near the heads and guys all equal table. No texas iowa state. We're going aims. I consider three equal. Okay so were each other. Brennan going aims. you're gonna hams. I kinda like work in washington. Yes oregon. i watched this going to be good. Those are two very good teams. This year i listen okay fine. I do agree. I do agree that you are going to be good this year arizona state if they don't have a big blow up put the coaching staff. And what's going on behind scenes. They have a good football team this year. Arizona state could see post season self ban by the way. Can i throw out much sure. Yeah what week eleven. We could go to washington the very next week we could arizona washington. Yes so let's say okay aims week ten washington week. Eleven because the game that i had was michigan at penn state. But we've already gone to penn state so we can't go back so we're sale gating week. Eleven we're gonna aims week ten twelve. We go to norman for you. Yes why iowa state. Oklahoma twelve actually was going to say virginia tech at miami. Why we're we're out of our stuff but that's not bad. I don't hate for everybody. So we tune we're going you know what's funny. He went back to mississippi and mississippi haircut just came back right on texas iowa state and we tend. Yes and then week eleven. We're going state washington. Yes and we're tailgating report out air force colorado state. I had written down. I too shy. We'll make sure okay so week ten. We're locked in texas iowa state week eleven were locked in at what's going to washington and sailed. Well great week eleven games. It's a good game. We like the other options for me. Were miami florida state and michigan penn. State at ole miss may not be awful. Take you guys inside. The thought process at home s. isn't on the goddamn tape have to go you. Can you take me. Colorado state at the air force have have elevation sickness. Son vinnie orcas oxford. Mississippi is not part of the ideal road trip. All right not week. Twelve twelve. i'm going to try to fuck and wiggle my way back to madison again. Nebraska was as you put every home game. Wisconsin back to madison. It's unbelievable to master wisconsin in the bud grant november. I don't care about that okay. So that my other options my other options are iowa was at oklahoma. But we're already going. Oklahoma and virginia tech in miami twelve. No no no no. We're not going to oklahoma. Yeah you're not why. Oh oakland i have to. I say oklahoma twelve but we just been aims two weeks before that. Yeah we went to just very top team we saw. Can i share a secret week. Twelve deepen november. Somebody called colorado states at hawaii is line week. We're going to hawaii already. Virginia tech set miami. I just i. I take you all of you guys iowa state but i like the. We're going to miami but we also just saw hornets a utah people. It's going to be cold up there to gain height. Byu game and then saturday. We go to utah wrongdoing thirteen. We're going to three day trip for games. I we go to madison. What mom wanted to medicine. But i like it all right. What we we're going to say home annul. Yes we just saw. I would say played two weeks before. Let's go fucking. Ask the bathroom jack. I recorded be fine. You didn't even hear you say that social we just take a pause now since we're all arguing dropped. What's your official one. Yeah what's your official twelve. virginia miami. We're going to miami takeover. We're hitting south beach. I think we should. I scratched the aims game now and then go to iowa state oklahoma. You all put that on. You wanna go to aims. What well okay. Okay brannon if we scratch the aims game. Then where do we go. Week ten washington. Then what do we do. Lsu in alabama or say nebraska. I say lsu rela o liberty ole miss. You have to do it the content that's gonna come wanna fuck it almost katie in the name of content. There's no content. They don't pay me enough new content piece of shift trying to guess to texas tech texas earlier. I'm like i like austin Contact i say we stick with ames in week ten. We sail in week. Eleven and we go to south beach in week. Twelve virginia legitimately be the big twelve championship. Game disaster. okay so you could do. Mississippi state arkansas and swings again so week. Ten brandon little rivalry there. Okay so what are the week ten options if we take off the table i have l. Seal at alabama mississippi state. Arkansas indiana michigan oregon washington usc at arizona state. There's all right. Yes and then liberty illness. Okay i don't if we take it off. I don't think we should do. Lsu alabama because. I think we've been too many. Sec games. i like indiana at michigan. I don't know the problem is we. Don't we're not seeing him. That's the issue. We have georgia florida's other sec sec game the week before. Okay wait wait shut. The fuck up went okay. What what if week. Ten weeks tailgated oregon washington and then week. Eleven would go to miami florida state and then we we go to iowa state oklahoma who loves in on that miami florida state is also on my list because it should be good rivalry. It's not been recently but yes good call brennan. So we're we're sailing week ten. Yes you're going. Florida week eleven. We're going to norman week twelve. Yup love it. I love about this. We're not going to any of these fun just hypothetically in a fantasy world week. Thirteen all right rivalry week week. Thirteen spending thanksgiving together in god's country and we're going to my mom's house in west point mississippi. We're going some thanksgiving some green bean casserole mac and cheese some. We're gonna eat all that and then we're going to start with thursday night. We're going to watch mississippi state when the egg bowl after the crap. Now no one thousand percent. Because i want his mama's cooking and then thanksgiving right in the walker household and we do eleven thirty morning and then we we ever that game and the next morning we get on a plane and we go to another rivalry game go to raleigh north carolina. That's where we watch. Yes sir yes state. And then on saturday we finished robbery weekend. And you can hate. Take your pick. We can go to alabama when go the iron bowl. Florida go to issue. We go to oklahoma oklahoma state. We go to bedlam or we can go to allows eight michigan clinton south carolina. But i think iron bowl is better that way. We stay in the south so we go rhino thursday. Unc nc state. friday and alabama and auburn saturday. Tell me that integrate weekend wake up dead tomorrow. 'cause okay i too much dick. Oh she told me earlier. Never you never have enough of that. Sorry okay she's now convulsing stuff you know. She has a she has data my katie. So hopefully she'll okay so to recap our for jackie back from his hot and tasty this okay now. Casey's down down don't know what to do. You live on not great. I thought lost about four hundred scheduled barstool athlete post today nearly blonde burn this office for the ground crew scheduling everything on twitter instagram on our teams. We still need. Oh we've got one major one week. Thirteen auto mention but ohio state at michigan. I literally said it. Oh sorry no. I love that too. All right. ohio state of michigan's good art to recap wait and wait for john for jack week. Fifteen army navy and we fourteen best championship game I wanna homer acc. But we're probably have to. I think i'm dying so next week. It'll just be me jack. And katie sin flowers and requests for feet picks to to me. I'll get them to picks. Hey we'll get the necrophiliac's we're gonna have will open. Casket will be open on the foot end. We can charge. Just just come up and look at them l'ecole to you katie. All right so gentlemen wonder to tell brennan what happened. Tell brennan what happens. We were gonna film it episode anywhere as time to get her. Like i'm in. The bathroom was answered the phone while all the time urban for discussing i facetime. My parents not friends anybody. When i'm in the bathroom doing anything season shower. Yeah okay relax. I really need. This is gentle. Fell in miss. That office can tell you that. Always that gray is just because you're shining faces not here to light it up. While we're at it unplugging some new merch be a nice human. You can see it on the youtube we can see. This is the blue version on the front. There's a i mean. I'm literally dying as we're speaking if you're dying there's a piece thank you imprinted. The biggest era of all time. There's a peace sign on the front. We've got blue. We've got barbie pink. We've got off white. They're very nice. And they're very software power season. Three of this podcast. You've never even suggested a t-shirt idea or tank top idea. We're plugging your show. I have i absolutely have. We are the i think i always buy stuff. I honestly think we are the worst in the merge came. jackie missed. Along has happened are so down jack. A lot first of all i had an absolute like i almost said you can keep it in the youtube. He's probably very funny. I legitimately almost but coughing all right. Here's played out katie's now paying people to lick my feet my casket you missed. Three cats are college all ultimate road trip. Twenty twenty one san represent week one still on the road trip we wait for you to recap. I'm kidding recap boost joke week. Zero not one zero. We're going to hawaii. Why for two to treat ourselves. So i know they're playing but we'll away. Yes all right. We're gonna ukwa in hawaii and zero in week one. We are headed to charlotte to take on georgia and clemson there. We go georgia wait. One week to we're going to columbus. Ohio received the oregon ducks at the ohio. State buckeyes week three happy valley auburn at penn state or we we might be big. Ten heavy auburn happen state with four. We're going to another neutral site. Might be going to remain neutral sites campus. We're going to nerd aimed at wisconsin in chicago. We five. We're going to college station with the unnecessary roughness rivalry battle no best this year. Thank you there will absolutely be bet there. I told you. I remember brennan. It is not me that you have to worry about that. I understand that but you know that the two other co host of college football show will not let that fly and you know that mississippi state a week five and facing. We're actually probably going to have to really go rhino. We actually need good way. You know already. We're going to be out of different one. No not that. No not that we. Yes this one. I don't think that was happening now. This was happening. Oh okay you guys can you can go to that one. I'm gonna like okay. What oh yeah. No i know which one. I haven't okay weeks that we six we're going to Dallas texas for oklahoma texas. The right of a river we seven. We're going to battle rouge. Florida at lsu. Wait eight we're going to usc at named southbound nut by the way nothing else out of the box i we're such chalky bitches. We also adjusted non power five. But somehow y'all just ended up week. Nine georgia florida jacksonville. Wait a minute for science. Let's issue with that. It's still like i know. It's not a campus but so gain feeling the campus is. we're not going to the union. We're not chick-fil-a college kids around the corner from here absolutely not a chick-fil-a around the corner from at all. It's it's pretty places. Five to okay brandon now week. Ten eleven and twelve. Jack missed all the new the new jobs. We rewrote week ten eleven. Twelve jack Every suggestion you've got thrown out and week ten. We are now going. Where ceo gating again. We're going oregon washington and the one that i initially said. We're going to oregon washington and then we eleven. We're going to miami at florida state alone. Hassi we're gonna go miami florida state for some robbery action and we. Well we're still going to iowa state oklahoma pretty good great. I love it. Sounds good. I would love to go to tallahassee and then i suggested we turn and then we twelve That sounds great. I want to go to that game and now we have a three parter for rivalry week. Can i guess yes okay. Thursday night we are going to mississippi starkville. Yes then on. Friday we are going to fuck. Are they not not. We're not gonna fall. We are going to be great content. Fuck and then. I'll give you a hint. It's somebody in this room team. Another campus garroted. I mean jackets. Pretty easy for your up we're gonna. Nc state yes. And then saturday. We're going to our state michigan alabama auburn the iron bowl. Okay nice awesome. That's a great trip can't wait and then what conference championship game. Tweedy decided the best one. I think we should add the on the graphic the one that means the most for the playoff through the the conference championship game. That means the most for the playoff implicate. Just to be dick's. Or the mac go to detroit and then week. Fifteen army navy. I'm i'm creating my alternate lists next week. I just wanna go and give you that. I've got to go to at least one matt game. Sorry i gotta go to matt game and guess what they'll be. Why you boys stay idea. Why don't we just make an alternate list together. Because i i was gonna be shit shawki. I'm so i'm gonna die. I mean physically going to die. The bart simpson should be writing on blackboard. That's shopping list. Oh you're fine. It's going to be fun. It's content. jd wanna almost jack this. That's when cripple when you re when you re watch this you're gonna see brandon. Absolutely lose his mind right before i become deceased. It should probably be a clip on the internet. That'll be phenomenal for content. The the game. Not casey dire. No also that'd be good for content. Well we're gonna go to. We're gonna go to three weeks basketball games this year. Katie grant content. Okay it would be. I love we go to death. But i think that him and ado in rough out here in a room together for the kids would be amazing in the name of conference that was alive. We have we have those lists. But i'm going to be honest. I don't know if i can. I can speak much longer are you. Don't have to speak. I do wanna tear apart. One of these lists We won't do both. We'll do the top hundred players next week. So jackson me the list of pro football focus ranking all one hundred thirty quarterback starting quarterbacks in college football and you do not have to debate. You can jump in when you want to First of all pro football focus. I think is fantastic. I think they they're. They're very unbiased. I think they do a good job. I think you know. Look past the guys recruiting rating. Look past the guys where plays and they look at the actual production. And i appreciate that. However there i feel like this list just goes wrong so many places. I'm gonna start at the top guts. Spencer rattler at number one number two. I think sam how far and away the best quarterback in college football coming into the season because he's proven more than spencer rattler a hundred percent more. He's done it. Twice as opposed to wants and sam how last year it is people think. Oh he just handed off those running backs. Those running backs went off and great stats same. How still had i believe. Thirty five hundred yards thirty touchdowns seven receptions in a kovic shortened season. He was fantastic his years if he were playoff for years. You're looking at a guy who would go down as one of the all-time statiscal great. He's not going to play for years. Gonna play three but is three years gonna stack right out with trevor lawrence's you see some what this list. They have a tier system too so they have spent so rattler in tier one by himself as easily and then they basically tutors five alone. are they expensive. Rather a very good quarterback. I don't think you can justify him being over sam. How are being in a tear by up to say even if you try to make the argument that he's better than sam how much i agree with. You can't yet because we just haven't seen that on paper he's not in a league zone You cannot put him in elliott zone yet. Maybe all season. But they have derek king at three dylan gabriel. Ucf at four. I'm fine with that. I think michael junior at five one of the most overrated players. I've ever seen anywhere michael pennants. Junior is fine. He is a solid quarterback. Call him in above average quarterback. He is not an elite quarterback. He's not a great quarterback. He is somebody that can manage the game and and make plays fate. And he's fine but he's not the fifth best quarterback in the country period. That's just ridiculous mattress six. I'm fine with that. I think makarau is is is really really good. He's also really bad at times but his good outweighs bad I won't say every everything you know. The grace mccall seven point out a couple that are too high and to love. They've got miles brennan. Lsu at number nine. There's zero guarantee miles. Brennan's the starting quarterback for lsu up. He's been next guy for seventeen years and it could be max. Johnson like literally could be him. There's no guarantee. Miles brennan is the quarterback lsu and they're certainly nothing to tell me he's the ninth best quarterback in the country that is crazy Yeah carson strong tan. They got Emery jones at fourteen feels a little high. He's never proven anything. Conurbation lack who. I think he's underrated makenzie. Melton at sixteen. Who knows what we're to get from him. They got brock party. At seventeen feels low. I feel super bowl. If desmond river at forty Melodic willis at nineteen feels really low. I think he's a top five to ten quarterback in the country and then they got. Cj strahl ohio state. who's never taken meaningful snap got. Bryce young's never taken a meaningful snaps. Twenty twenty two Jt daniels at twenty three seems very low. I think what we got. Jt daniels last year was fantastic. I feel like he's a top five or ten quarterback in this country i also. It's very strange. He's not on that list. There's been a lot of luck. Rankings from different people coming out and maybe this is me from this room but also so high. Jt daniels in the top five if not top three in every single ranking has outside of top ten driven by me. I think. I've been driving the j. daniels bus a lot but i think we're probably higher j. daniels than most people. Because we're right. I'm right and you guys can ride in that way brandon. You make the occasionally all the time. Until he until he then like walks back and says something. Yeah twenty-six wisconsin brammertz also. There's no reference of jackson thirty jerkovic either way. Forty three is just the first forty seven year old man ever starting college. I'll be back because he's still starting. I do not know he's played for like seventeen follows on twitter next. He's been calling me for a long time. Oh wait he didn't ena he's asked remember. He actually falls on twitter. He's a bar so athlete. That's what he is devon leary. Nc state forty four. I think he's rental. Oh yeah they're you go not a lot of really bitch about but i think they got a couple of wrong at the very top okay. Who would be your top. Five right starting quarterback in So i go sam how for sure i go. I'd go eric. King provided he's healthy for sure. I tailor sure corral for sure daniels. And then i would say who. Jt daniels on no. I would probably go now. I'm saying about loud. Whose guys about say oh Does now you didn't so that'd be your five and you put eighteen dollars at six. I'm jay probably six. Have have me willis way up there. Yeah that's what that's what i. What about you guys. I would do. Sam how spencer rattler derek king. Jt daniels matt corral ladies there. Oh sorry i gotta take one out. Timberlake willis out well hidden. Take him out. Don't gabriel gator. With my six over dylan alive but when glele forget about dj fuck. We are the off off line. We'll talk about all our top ones. I know we'll do. Let's bring our top five quarterbacks next week next week i gotta fix our fucking. I'm gonna fix our trip. And then i'm gonna do that. And then what does the other top five hundred right now. Yeah we did have a list here supposed to bring you wanna do your drive. Let's do a quarterback draft quarterback draft. Late what other lists. Are we supposed to bring next week to bring a list radio. Nobody remembers what list the screen. Why because i don't know you're going to be on it anyways. It doesn't matter yes. It'd be looking good to what the fuck was that list. Sexy titled five. Whoever listened to this show us. Tell us jackal jack and kayla in back to they'll tell us or you're just gonna tell them give them to already listen back to. What do you tell us. He told us he said on this on this podcast and i actually thought we should write it down but then i just didn't write it down. It was early. It was like twenty minutes. In what listed he asks for top five. Somethings i don't know unbelievable died from dysentery between now and then so make money off looking your feet though. Yeah all right. I think case he's is where i usually like to stop the show. Okay so casey haiti jack. The show is over. Can't wait to see three d brandon so you monday.
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"Phil steele as this page. They'll still has this page of verified twitter followers that follow him and none of us are on. my virus. Verification got denied today most pet. He's got melissa. Joan hart on here and sold at o'brien sold at a ryan falls everybody. She also hates. It has sold data. brian. Yes what is this list. I mean this is the thing about phil. Steele has a sheet of jean. Here of every verify he probably has an updated that list since two thousand seven like most of his fucking magazine damn jack. Are we ready to go. Who's dave softy mailer. I don't know if that s gerry. Dinardo dead and they dead. He may be dead. Because i told hall phil steele doesn't update and you stop. This isn't anything new. I told you just like most of his magazine. It's all old stuff we saw last year. Okay he's still alive. Good for jared marta. By the way. Brian mean case. He chaired like a great podcast building experience on sunday night. coming back from marinas wedding. It was kcbi bibs tommy. And trent case who's in the middle there was on the left and I was on the right. Casey fell asleep a few times. I fell asleep on jack's shoulder for like an hour. I'll leave that wedding. We left eleven thirty but we didn't get back. We went to like four mcdonald's before we actually only want for. We got to the one we got. We wanted fucking. We ordered forty. Mcdonald's forty mcnuggets. Four mcdonnell's four. Small fries a big mac. Three waters diet. coke coke. isn't mike. My credit card statements like fifty five dollars liam on mantell williams talk show listening. Oh fuck dude. You're all you're talking about as mississippi the first four back to each other and brandon's already telling jack shut the fuck up before the indra music is even rolled. Yes congratulate -gratulations. You're watching the youtube. You'll see he's showing us. He's a national champion national champion mississippi state university. Okay so baseball not football. The last there was awarded the most recent national champion. That's true brandon. Jack showed me this the other day. Some dude in our facebook group was furious. We talked about college. Baseball and college football podcast. Well some dude in our facebook check and suck my fucking dick okay. That is the sentiment. Most of the people in the facebook group had which was dude. Shut up. it's it's june. July june enjoy and mississippi. State like the sec. School also his school. he wouldn't have talked about. It had been one of our schools. I love that was like you want. Would you like to break down the weekend. Slate ser and my husband. I had to go out there. Because i mean we send somebody out there trying to grow the game and i had to. We had to have some star power out there. It was great content for the podcast trade. It all right you guys ready. I'm ready are you. How you doing casey. I've been doing all right. I would like a psa right now. My voice may give out at any point. I've got the. I have a cough cough going around the office right now. Dan big cat is claiming that it's everybody who's been at the jersey shore at some point in the last few weeks which it is checking out But i might die in the middle of this podcast so okay. Cool cool katie. How are you a little concern. Now i'm saying next. Casey but otherwise i don't have any other symptoms. She slept on my shoulder. And i have. I don't have the cough. Jack women talking for three minutes you. What's in that story twice. Yeah but that's a good location concern. Now i'm actually. I've i've probably need time to listen. I here's the thing i had. I had two options either to sleep on my producer shoulder or on vibes shoulder. Who is like dating one of my close friends. I felt like my producer was better support system there. Also your midway through. This is just your sleep body. It turned into like you want crawled up yelling. It was after marinas wedding. I had some alcohol. It happens who among us my god. Okay let's do it run through our ass shit to ten or man and we could not stop. We failed To make our coaching points in our points more compelling than their fat little girl. I may know how we don't know we need more dogs. Hi welcome to unnecessary roughness. Parcells college football podcast brought to you by the delicious. And the beautiful and the wonderful high noon are seltzer. They've got all the best flavors they got the peach in the lime in the raipur. The black cherry. It is all delicious. it's real juice. Real vodka for real people like you and me noon. They go everywhere we go and today. I am in still in mississippi. I am in my mother-in-law's basement but the other three idiots are back in manhattan high idiots. We ben in manhattan. What i why are we idiots. Why are you taking so many unnecessary shots at us. I knows the name of the podcast. But she did it. In one of your gas station reviews. You said who. Like if. I'm a dumb person. If i have to content with casey smith everyday what did i do to deserve that. I love when people get all upset about those. I've just. I'm just trying to fill fifty seven seconds of gas station content like i normally make fun of my boobs saul take it. I guess only two gas station reviews. Funnier boobs once and just your name the other time. So i'm getting shouted out i guess. Yea katie didn't even make the gas station review. Hi katie hi brandon. Are things find normal. Hold down the fort here in while you're gallivanting off mississippi. My grandmother died. So thank you for the condolences. So yeah huge. What you haven't you've said hi to them two times. Yeah you haven't said to me. Oh it's up dude going on. I try to tell him to be nice today. And it's just not working jack. How are you great when only be when we were seeing you in three d again conscious picked up another three star recruit victor rosa number to recruit state of connecticut. Class twenty two. Where did you just see that. That was thirty minutes ago. But i just sort of ticker in here brandon. When are we seeing you in three d again. How hard is it to be number. Two recruiting state chill chill. Chill chill chill aaron hernandez from connecticut and great brian. How was my second is. When am i going to be back back monday in the office. I'll be driving back. Friday and saturday and i'll be back monday and we'll be back on schedule. Which brings me to my next point. Katie were two minutes into the fucking show. No no it says okay recording. Yes okay that i leave. No you're still. You're still there okay. Okay so I'll be back next week and we'll be back in the office together and everything so my next asman is. I have decided. I've already mentally turned the corner towards football season and guys executive decision Starting august first. Let's go two times a week. love it car. I love that. I completely agree. Once the fourth of july holiday is over even though we still have. I think it's fifty eight days until kickoff. I looked at up yesterday. It is truly on like the downhill slide in a good way into college football season. One do you want to release. I don't know we'll figure that out it'll probably be sunday thursday like always Or you know record. Sunday sunday wednesday. Something like that. I don't know we'll figure it out two times a week august. I starting august first. Because i'm in that mode right now. Where everything i do every spare moment i have. I'm looking at either phil steele or an lon or watching highlights on youtube. I'm fully in college football mode. Now i am too. I'm going to be honest. I already wanting to get in fights with people on twitter. About stupid takes was in an every fight last night. It was awesome. Yeah you're you're mixing it up on the mentions. Oh i was throwing awesome. Great well we list these five games right. we advocate. He texted me the other day. There was katie. That was awesome. Yeah cheney literally texted me. While i was at the funeral and knowledge is afterwards remember what was hide it. But she she said you know. Give me your five most anticipated games this year so i sent him to her and i thought our five. They're all very similar. I think jack had one that. I wish i had thought of yet. Cincinnati notre dame which i think is fantastic katie and went kind of a different direction. Where she actually. Joe games are probably more importantly oregon washington. I mean in the context of that conference. It's very important May i went with light main. Casey both went like three or four. Non conference games in alabama and am and people are. I'm it's one of my techs. It's one of my takes. We're going to get there in a minute. But people were pupo. And casey for having alabama in miami number one. I had it number four and i thought that's fucking ridiculous. I mean everybody is so beaten down by how good alabama has been they kind of just intellectually themselves week one alabama miami. Everybody's gonna be watching that fucking game. It's going to be so much fun. And i mean yes when you look at the other games like you could say. Maybe they'll be more competitive as what we've seen the last few years to me opening weekend alabama miami. We don't know what miami's going to look like you know we we've said it they right there at the corner. We don't know what alabama's gonna look like crazy me that i think that's going to be a really fucking fun game to watch my take. Miami's going to cover in that game. Miami might win that game. Miami is not going to be a bad football team and everybody is just beaten down. By how alabama loads every year. This is a different level of reloading the alabama has to do. And they're not gonna win that game by thirty points like they always do and also and also the the fact that like it is. It's miami. I mean i understand. They've not been that good as of late. But it's still the university of miami. Like i love the fact that alabama and miami are playing opening weekend. It's a massive programs non conference game. Why would i not be excited. They were good. They were good last year. Miami was and the year before. I said miami was going to be good last year and because the year before catching up that even though the year they won six and seven and lost to louisiana tech in that random ballgame every single game was within seven points that they lost so i mean also backed advisers talking about. It's not good if the you paralyzed Talking about the unknowns. We don't know there was list that was released this week from pro football. Focus of the top quarterbacks that we're going to get into and they they're unknowns are the same known in one of the unknowns for me is how will dear king play towards acl. What december twenty eighth and the ballgame. How healthy will he be if he's listen if he's healthy. Alabama will win that by lot. But i'm banking on him being their rice young as well. Yes yes we're makin. Waves much older unknowns. We're gonna get to all that tracy the one prom you did. You had it number. One and clinton george has got to be in the moment. Now i i looked back and so i was sitting next to katie when she was making my graphic and i actually was gonna put clemson georgia but then i didn't want to all have the same number one across the board and so i was like well. I'll just mix it up a little bit so that it doesn't look like we're all having an exact same answers but the fact that they're i mean. Yes georgia clemson is a is a more probably more competitive game. But the fact that they're on they're on the same weekend right. Yeah wants to thirty and one's interest so that what hell of week one. We have a hell of a week one but all of these people who are like. Oh i'll have a casey smoking like all right. Dude i'll give you some good shit. I guess but like let's all relaxed here. And then when someone called you the name you don't like to be called. I was furious. You see that okay. So i have many trivia wins. Do i have to have. How many podcasts. Do i have to have where people will decide. I'm not a moron. Fucking guys got seventy dollars called me more from mississippi. I'm seventy five percent mortality. He's he's probably a moron yet and also like get better chirps people like if you like. Here's like he's called him more on from mississippi for reasons like that was like two seasons ago. Find something else by this season three for us. We just three and this is officially season. Three r wow so season three okay. Good well let's careful with that. So yeah sure still. It actually looks more like the germans see right glorious bastards that's all. They know that they're not germany. Let's put that down from what the germans do night. That's how they know they're americans shoot. What are you doing. The militia jack. What did what do we do. It's a secret okay. All right so let me let me quote the show. This is my knock on the door there or somebody door here nine here. You're in mississippi. By the way the seat that he's sitting on is just such an old person seat. This is a very mother-in-law house. Yeah it's awesome. It's awesome right out of an antique store. I'm i'm very much. I'm in my mother-in-law's guest room in ripley mississippi. That's where i'm at so let me lay out the show here. Because i want our own fire off several things I haven't been here to really focus on college football in a while. But i'm ready to focus on it now. Also we've got. I've got five takes. I would like to go ahead and get out there for the two thousand twenty one season. I want to go ahead squad on these takes. Okay those five Then we're gonna have our we're going to build our ultimate road trip for the twenty twenty one seasons. That's what we're gonna do. Yes so last week. Jack came with a great idea and he said we should go through the twenty twenty one season and pick the game of the week that we would most want to go to and we can't overlap stadiums. The problem was is it was just us and we didn't look at it beforehand. Were just staring at a schedule. Which does not make for a good podcast. Just doesn't make for for wonderful listening so we decided that we would all come this week with our list and then we would make an ultimate unnecessary roughness road trip for twenty twenty one less so we all disagree on said game. We have to argue about it. I know you said you wanted to draft. But i think we should squad up for once and pick one game each week so i went through several reiterations of several preparations. Preparations a through g didn't good preparation. H. is the one that is going to be on the whole. So i am going with a. I've got several. I got five games per week so that we can stop. What how long have you been planning not planning. What is something. I wrote all this out last night. No what you just said. How long have you been planning that. So i sat down last night with a pen and paper. I wouldn't ball. I'll tell you what you know. What's great about being down here. Walmart's walmart sleet. You know walmarts in new york. Buddy buddy listen where. I live in fucking jersey. Their nearest walmart's twenty two miles away. Okay i hear in every single town. The biggest building in town is walmart. The second biggest building is the oh walmart. Okay that's where i'm at right now. I am thirty seconds from walmart. I went and bought. Nineteen of these spiral bound notebooks for twenty five cents a piece. I am plucking ready. Let me walmart you know. What else on the air. A sonic i went to sonic sonics right out the front door. That's awesome great. I just showed katie. Why i stopped you on your preparation. H. on your whole comment. I had chili cheese. Tater tots route forty four. Sweet tea for lunch. Yes he made him. Roy are they had no idea and i had to let them know how discuss it. I am like picturing fourth tanks. We're gonna do the ultimate road trip correct. Yes and do you guys. Jackie had some. You wanna look at no. I just thought a pro football focus. Quarterbacks was interesting so as their top fifty players in college football this season list. I just thought we don't spend that much time on it. There were few interesting. I mean i don't want to ruin it but there's a quarterback on that list. That's very love. That is that link. Real quick okay that in law for those listening hours just pointing at somebody on our podcast of for somebody. That was loved the quarterback. That was well. I haven't seen that particular lists yet. You sent me the fifty best players in college football last night and i thought it was ridiculous. I thought it was fucking re So yeah we'll discuss that. I gotta get my takes off and anything else we got. Some news looks like oh yeah. We gotta talk about this kansas thing. Yeah yeah here's less miles a piece of shit. My column probably. Yeah yeah. I mean what a tweet by me. What's my kansas city star. Should be paying me for the promotion for them. Fifty thousand link clicks for the kansas city star from our account. That's the most they've ever had in their entire existence. Why didn't you just blog. Their story and get the clicks barstools forced to go to a wedding. And i didn't wanna be called the scumbag for not going. Who would do that. Yeah i know definitely. You definitely would have flown under the radar. Had you not gone to that wedding for sure. I never would've been invited that wedding. No no i know. But jack was invited And he chose to go to the wedding. Which was a smart move. In retrospect certain someone who didn't has gotten fucking roasted for it. You didn't have tickets to the bucks game. I didn't i couldn't even watch the wherein evening. Tv's at the place where at What am i got married this weekend. Everyone i think it's because finally the world is open for. I guess the country is open so everyone can have parties again Yeah i advise against getting married. You're playing at the right way. casey. I know i don't wanna get married. Sounds not great. To be honest. I had sex just two months ago. Thank you very much. Okay so i mean we talked about this routing. I talked about on our drive back from the shore house last weekend. You remember when we were in mississippi me rudy and katie. And you're like it's wild that the three of you guys don't necessarily know who the next person you're going to have sex with us and rooting our. It is really crazy. That like if you are married and you are a very loyal person like you just know who you're going to have sex with yup. That's a wild thing to think about. Every every tuesday night. After mac and cheese and pork chops. This doesn't sound like life for me. That's like chops love. Mac and cheese marriage is just not for me right now. Maybe one day we'll be. What's your favorite southern food. Because casey let me tell you something. I've had fried okra. I've had a i've had some are corn and people down of northbound enough. You know texas. What's sweet corn and some of the different collard greens or my favorite. I'm not a big green sky. But i liked it. They're available collard greens with like the really crispy bacon them. Put a little bit of vinegar on m. Oh hot sauce you like hot sauce. I put hot sauce on literally everything. But damn you get some fresh cooked collard. Greens and bacon and vinegar. Some hot sauce by the way. I ran into meredith again. Who had last year's blonde haired girl. She had cancer and she said you were struck. I ran into her in omaha. Took a picture with her and she said to send it to you. But i forgot about it until now well send it to me anyways i will. I will meredith of shutout. She can't say. Should we talk about kansas. The dumpster fire. So it's a dumpster. Fire that was. I don't think it's dumpster. Fire now because i believe rosa was speaking of kansas like one the hiring process this year. I think they hired a good coach. Landslide poll from buffalo. And they got a lot of transfers buffalo. I think kansas will be considerably better team from the absolute who knew that when we were all wrong we were all stupid two years ago when they hire less miles. You're like finally kansas. Get serious about football. Finally kansas hiring a real football coach finally less miles getting another opportunity. It turns out no he he was trash at kansas. He was trashed. Lsu human. Ming and now it comes out that there was a player at kansas who was going through some things and another player threatened to kill him and when he went to less miles in the kansas administration. They didn't do anything about it. They just offered him fifty thousand dollars to shut up welp just unbelievable. What do i make it to make it worse. The guy the kid wasn't from what the story that was written in the kansas city star made it seem as if it wasn't necessarily that he was going through something. He reported anonymously to the kansas athletic department that the players that live below him or selling drugs and then they. I assume those players put two and two together instead. It must have been him. Who anonymously reported they knew anonymously reported because less miles brought them in to his office to say talk ab- ar- i think miles just said. Hey stop that shit. Just so you know. It's on people's radar when less miles found out. People under steam were selling drugs by the way kansas stunk under last mile so those three players whoever was who knows if they're so on the team they they may they. They probably weren't even that good to keep around to like to while they selling drugs and then after that then they became a little bit robbery. Saying we're gonna kill you because you were snake snitch. Also like the little details of like he would notice that the lug nuts on his tires would just be loosened. That's fucking terrifying. I know the the guy the player that was threatened to be who is threatened fucked three players on the kansas football team. That didn't fuck around and not in a good way on a tire like that is like no. They threatened to kill him they wanted to. Yes but i mean just like that's like just in the next level i mean threatening. I'm gonna fucking kill you to your face like that's just like doing sneaky. Shit i think they actually. It wasn't going to kill you. Threaten like what mcgregor said. This was like no no no. We're gonna kill you you just don't know how can i just say one thing of course again that if any body every threatens to kill me and barstool tries to get me shut up with fifty thousand dollars I i'm going to take the money fifty k. k. our probably negotiate up to one hundred. But yeah i'm definitely taking the money in shutting up for sure i don't if they know because again by one hundred. Hey good. that's an outdoor kitchen. There's a double. You're gonna leave your kids without a dad. Well i feel like they're not. They're at least going to fix the problem too. And gimme the nine asli reporting trying to get the problem. Fixed only got worse. What's going to happen after you take the hundred k. o. Then they're going to want the money they're gonna rob me and kill me. Yep exactly so you're dead and you don't even have an outdoor kitchen like leave and go stay with his family like the witness protection program. Fuck that. I think outdoor kitchens or so bad ass air so bad outdoor showers or even better though. Oh outdoor showers or boss to or anything that should be inside really outdoor. Tv's outdoor anything at your house. That should be inside is is a boss move. That's point except outdoor toilets. I mean you're very poor. Yeah no we don't. We don't want that but outdoor outdoor showers and outdoor kitchens are definitely the top of my list but yeah this situation is so it's just like v fifty thousand dollars to tell some kid to shut up and go home isn't even offering fifty thousand dollars. They offered him a. It was acquainted. The fifty thousand dollars. It was his scholarship and then his per diem so he got fifty k. And his trip home. Don't worry i'm not really worried about the player and what they offer. This is just further proof that les miles is just a colossal piece shitting. There's all this stuff he's tied to at lsu with sexual assault and the hiding nats. There's and then he got this like less. Why don't you just fucking handle some business one time. Why don't you fuck and say hey don't kill this guy entre say hey. You're going threaten to kill somebody. You're off the team. Hey stop people know you just want to win. Football games. less less is done done now. He's dunzo he's on the dunzo list for sure and the more that comes out the it's like. How did kansas not do their due diligence with all this stuff with him. That's what i'm so confused saying. This happened at kansas. But we had this exact same conversation. The last time information came out about him. How can does not know this was happening. Did they just not care. Do they not look for it was it. Was it hidden who knows but he seems like a real bag of shit. Well the one thing i say about kansas they got new athletic director. They got new everything new cultures. They seem to be going in a in a positive direction. Like i said. I love the jokes landslide buffalo. I think he's a legitimate coach that they finally got instead of a character less miles in a really shitty asshole character unless miles brandon. You told me that you died at the college world series in omaha. You're you're actually legitimately dead for a couple of hours. Are you feel now. Well let me tell you a more updates story okay. This is about revitalize this is about the drink that sponsored us. That has absolutely fantastic. Their strawberry. Drink is my favorite tasting drink in the world. But about friday last friday i decided to go play golf down here in mississippi of my friend. And you guys now. I yeah i do names bradley barton. He's homeless fan. So we we go out. We play a little golf. I play twelve hulls. And then i pass out and i get my head get migraine now. The last time this happened in new york. I my migraines started setting in when i had to run on the treadmill and we went back to the office i got a couple of revitalize drag down went away. I was fine. I was able to to get everything this time. I did not have ri- light and try another drank. Needless to say the migraines set in. And i was toast all night bombing. Everything they've just i overeat a lot and i needed my revived light. 'cause it takes care of me and i don't even know that's a story. They won't open. I lived well. I mean they want people to know that it rehydrate you for shortcuts. All those electrolytes back in you. I'm sorry that you pass out after twelve holes. That's a sad sight but to add here tasing stand on. New york's not going outside and mississippi. I grew up in texas asshole. Well i grew up in mississippi hot. It was ninety degrees and it was not the heat humidity. I know i know it's hottest fuck. I'm saying this. Which is why you need to take provide alight with you. Meanwhile those of us that were maybe on the east coast drinking a little bit. I needed revitalize very badly. Because it's really good when you're dehydrated. It's good when you're hung over. 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You can tag at drink provided light and your morning after stories the partial sports store and get your vitali black label today and if we don't pass like brennan did twelve holes. Sounds like a fun saturday dan. Okay relax all right. This morning frank. Solich Step down and ohio ohio by the way one of the favorites to win the mac they're They're very good team very program and he is stepping down so what that means as old teddy bear. Mack brown is now the oldest coach in college football. Yeah what a saint and still he did and teddy bear. That's a compliment. Hold on katie. That's literally what you told me before. The show i was like. Oh so you said. Yeah matt grounds the oldest coach in football. I just repeated your fact. yeah. I'm not saying it's a bad thing you're like. Yeah well so. I kind of spicy today Nubile my thing like why does he do it so close the year to the loser because he just found out how sick he is right to health issues. My i missed that part of the announcement. Yeah it's health concerns. No doesn't really worry about old people and their death surfing roles or anything you know it was funny katie. Everything was fine when you did. Text me that i was sitting. I was listed in the funeral. I was answering you. I was like okay. Well i was thinking about the games. I was googling the game. Well then you sent the follow text. Don't worry about it so put my phone number one. okay. I love that you were just like. Oh shit i gotta get her these interesting because then i text her and i said do i need to get them to you today or to tomorrow when i'm not drinking. And she goes. Well is at a funeral so we can revisit this. I was like all right. So brandon is like mourning the loss of a family member. And i'm too drunk to look these games up so this is the ground. I don't think we ever got on the phone. This is the grandmother who was a huge alabama fan. And i think. I tried to call her show a couple times last year to mess whether about alabama but So she announcement she she got buried with a bear bryant hat and an alabama crimson tide blanket inside the casket slalom huge huge alabama fan. So often it was at her request. Yeah yes she was. She used bigtime alabama when they cleaned out our house where the clinton house now just elephants and all his roll tide shit. I didn't get anything but a couple of cookbooks. So when any alabama monrovia. No i don't i do. I do cook cookbooks. So any o'reilly autoparts hats or no. No no we're actually related to dylan. He okay dolan says he was. Could he make the funeral or was he had a chef. Not oh no no. It's too close tuscaloosa. He didn't know how to get the guy. Got it so all right more news anymore years. I don't think there's a whole lot of news news. Stay tattoo guys they want. They're asking for all their stuff to be reinsert. Which brings me to a question. I'm sure you guys talked about it on the show Last week or last two weeks but with the passing and with players allowed to get money now. Is it time to forgive every player that ever got punished for taking money. Is it time to forgive. Every booster ever gave money. Is it time to forgive. Every coach that ever got busted and got out of the business because he was giving players money. Is it time to do all that ordeal you say no. You were the rules dan. You broke them so you're always look data's now cast i mean my inclination is say yes. You should forgive all of them. But i know that's not what's going to happen. Like the big one is should reggie bush get his heisman. But we talk about that. And i said i thought he should have gotten it back even before the. Nfl stuff came out. I thought it was always ridiculous. We know who won the heisman. The year that reggie bush won the heisman. I think they should get vince young. Who should have won the heisman. I i'm a big. I'm a big proponent of five years after the awards given out let's do a should have won it if the guys on the guy who wanted should've let him keep but otherwise you know. Give charles woodson's peyton manning against roy smith's to somebody else in theory that would be. That would be great rugby electric tv though like the master ceremony. How they have to put the green jacket on the next winter like they have to just hand them their trophy like marketing room had dom consume went to marketing rooms house and had to repossess myself. The heisman i watch would be fantastic. I have a few news notes. Go ahead all right. We'll start arkansas. Wisconsin and notre dame offensive line were all sponsored by barbecue places. All in their respective college towns. I think that's great right. Barbecue in arkansas is gonna send us. Some barbecue is great. Their official offensive line. Sponsors of the arkansas razorbacks i. We'll see they're going to send us some some barbecue up him. Unblock me on twitter okay. I'll ask them that to Then this was interesting. I'll front this was from july six cave on. Which is who's probably gonna be a top five pick. Yeah his first. Deal was with phil knight in tinker hatfield who were both loaded and both big boosters of the oregon program and it was just an art piece. So are we going to see kind of you know some businesses. We'll just have somebody on staff pay them one hundred fifty thousand dollars a year. Just be just to do whatever because like they're like a friend a family or something like that though. You see that in organized crime a lot is that what boosters are gonna i feel like boosters are gonna start working like mafia members shot just we're just in a transition period. It will be confusing. It will be it will be hard to follow for awhile. Guys will be getting their money but eventually the incidentally will just say you know what controlling this is is like controlling a flow a dam or controlling a raging river this leading towards him getting actual salaries eventually five ten years down the road. It's wide open now. I don't know it's the wild west. I mean whatever a guy can get. He's gonna get who the guys who've been now make no mistake. The boosters like I don't want to accuse phil knight something but big boosters at schools paying players for a long long time and now they can legally do it right the report on their taxes. Now that's all that changed that anyways they were just lying about what it was so i mean it's like it's murky it. You don't really know what's going on. But i think you can just rest assured that players are getting taken care of now and it will streamline himself into a sensical system very very soon. That's what i mean anytime. There's money it will eventually figure itself out in the official way possible. Well i'm brandon. What i said when we talked about it a couple of weeks ago was that it is also going to be like the snowball effect because you know they came out and they said you can't do alcohol or onlyfans or gambling. Whatever but then they basically said you can do anything else other than byu and coffee. But that's gonna start getting murky to like. I think it's going to get messy. 'cause they're gonna to start finding ways to cameo like all of these things are not gonna be able to regulate so it is moving towards the salary thing for sure but like the the idea is amazing the way that it was implemented all of a sudden you can just do whatever you want outside of adult high brands like. It's going to be a pain in the ass for a lot of people think that's the best way to ensure for sure footing into it would have been a mistake. I love it. I'm saying that. I don't think that schools and obviously the nc double a. Who are just got clowned. Basically it's going to be very very hard to have any type of containment on. This aren't so anymore. yes ruckers. Wide receiver karnal davis was knocked out on july fourth and the jersey shore. I don't know if you saw that video. That was not a good video. Should say that he. He was injured. Dimitrius roberson he used. He was a big recruit when he came out as wide receiver. He was at callan. he went to georgia. He transferred the auburn and then conveniently there. Is the report surfaced again. The georgia media decided to put out that. He has a felony charge against him. Which is actually just stemming from like parking in the wrong place at the university of georgia. A then there was one tuffy to third. Oh my god. Did you see that dog. Just a creature that is on my only thing. He was walking out there. And then i'll fly like flew through and he got his attention for a second. You haven't only thing about that. It is as you an see fan. I just gotta say. Nc state cute dog and much better than those two bowls that i got to say about cheap perfect team in perfect dog. They the wolfpack. They have a dog as their mascot. You come out wolfson. dogs are like the same. That looks like a wolf. it's a husky but it looks like a wolf. Looks like what do you expect them to have a role that they can just tame. They contain a tiger but they Spot i fucked up. That's fucked up. How that tiger tiger should be in the wild dog is domestic. Dog is bracing guard carolina. Did you see this photo this guy. Yeah crop top gang. I love that and then this wait till it gets back to talk about this. I refuse to shame that katie. What he's like. So what's your problem with reveille. She's not an aggie. Come back on that one asshole. Nc states arrival the whole pack of wolves not their mascot derive credits. untidy is not a fucking elephant. Bring you won't alabama logistics a whole bunch of water and just the stadium and kill everybody. They want you think they haven't thought about having an elephant. Walk them out. I got some bad news for your. They've definitely tried to do that. But he's saying that if you went through to the actual mascot named that they would just drown everyone at bryant denny. 'cause they're the roll tide. Oh that would be unbelieving tides. Got right how about today. You're sorta snacking. They just drop a swarm of yellow jackets. Now don't do that. Don't do casey. We're not gonna talk about that okay. One last thing casey. We're going to talk about this texas a guy. Did you see this brandon. The kid dancing locker room. Whatever over these we always. We're not shaming wiggle. Dickey was six actually are no or not. I'm not knowledge to let them too stupid either way. I have some beef with you guys ben. Grinding away at this social account for four years shane. Beamer reaches out to us on the social account. And i text twice in our group chat shane. Beamer falls us. Shame beater just tweeted out. Shane interactive us with stephen garcia. No reply outside of katy. Which i understand things went on but but i do right now and like come on guys. My grandmother died. I don't remember this. Why should i go the group tax. It's back when i hit a live in grandmother. No it's not. Jesus condolences to the marshall football player. That unfortunately passed away and tanner morgan's father tender morgan the quarterback from minnesota who passed away That was really unfortunate And outside of that. I think we re tweeted. All of it umass. Football is back. To full capacity. To not are there ever will be full capacity. Oh cases tattoos got updated. Yeah was the update the gig to your forehead. No it's always been there. He got more details on my face. Apparently that's so creepy. Yeah he definitely. I mean that's my face tattooed on a man's thigh all right brennan. Let's get your five takes takes already given one. No i haven't is. She did what was it. I just remember. You said this is your take. Oh it's a part of my take. Okay here are my five tech's okay if you read. Where's he going through what he's doing. He's test okay number one. Every year we walk into a season and there is this theory out there of non non-fossil fans had. Oh it's going to be one of three teams every year. Only three teams when it's alabama state every year. Here is the thing in twenty twenty one. Alabama clemson and ohio state are not going to be down as programs however alabama clemson and ohio state are all going to be down enough that it opens up the field for more parody at the top of college football this season if you walk in the season it's alabama. It's clinton is ohio state. you're robbing yourself of a wide open top of the field and comfortable and this year there are two teams to programs that while right into that are just as strong as those three. So that gives us five. Then there's others like notre dame texas iowa state that are in that six to fifteen range that can compete for a playoff spot. I think there are five programs. This year that our ultimate national title contenders and i would put one of these teams who i've had it on the past as my co national title favourite. As of right now george that same i of hate on in the past. I have realized over the off season. They will finally twenty twenty one of the team that their fans have pretended. They've had the whole time. It's the oklahoma sooners. So i show her number five and six georgia and oklahoma four and five. Or yes. okay. I believe that alabama clemson georgia. Oklahoma are your five national title tier teams this year. The second tier has your am dame's Your your other teams but this year. That here is not very teams. It's five oklahoma. May have a defense this year. Oh oklahoma so so two years ago. Oklahoma fans were wrong when they said oh we have defense. We have even now. Jovan new orleans and joe burrow talks from ninety five touchdowns now they actually have one. They have a pass rush. They have good defense. They have a lot coming back on the defense. They're an actual decent defense now and they're all fence their main. They're only question. Mark to me is spencer. Ratna really elite or is he oklahoma elite. Because there's oklahoma elite they can win in the big twelve and went on a conference title and playoff shit the bit or there's really elite which is a national title. I don't know if he's really. We'll find out. But i mean having a stroke their receiver core very very good at always is mems other guys. They are you. Yeah why because he hates oklahoma. No no no. No no no. He's rational home. Walk tells the truth. At all times brandon walker has never lied about oklahoma brandon. Walkers always been right about oklahoma. So when brian walker finally looks at a woman says legit then you better fucking put the money down there legit. They finally got legit running back. Like kennedy brooks each just a guy. But they got eric great from oklahoma from tennessee. They got like four or five transfers from tennessee they can fill immediate holes for. They're very very very good this year. Georgia's my choice to win the national title. But i think it's george oklahoma. Wanted to this year. Do you think that okay. Let's let's hypothetically say spencer rattler is elite. Does he win the heisman. Well he'll certainly be in the running for Then we will. We do the heisman machine. They've waited conference play defense. They will be an all the marquis games. And he will be in playoff contention so yeah. He'll probably be in your for the heisman ceremony. i think. Jt daniels in highland ceremony for given these guys stay healthy But if you alabama clemson hieaux state everybody just assumes assumes assumes and that's fine but two years ago alabama was not in the playoff. They weren't and they're not. You know ordain to be there every year and this year. Everybody assumes bradshaw shaw going to be great right is going to be that because alabama's quarterback that he's like five six and he's probably gonna be really fucking good but i can't put them above somebody who spent spencer rattler who's proven it at this level so i like home my second. Take my second take. And this isn't five because i like combined like three in that one. I think the big twelve can be the number two conference in the country this year by the sec behind the sec and challenged the thing about it if texas is any good which is which is a stretch. And steve sarkissian. Everybody thinks he's gonna be great. He's forty six and thirty five line. Tom but if they're good that gives them a strong three because iowa state a national title contender there second tier national title contender and oklahoma's the first year titled too. I mean i don't think the acc has to. I don't think the big ten is your has to you. Don't think that. Acc with clinton north carolina. And here's the thing about north carolina. They have the best quarterback in the country. They lost every receiver both running backs. He is going to be surrounded by entirely new guys. Offensively defensively they'll be good but i don't think they're they're jumping to that level yet. What about miami. Miami's a wildcard. I think they could be on eleven one team and can pretend they also could be a mirage right. I just i mean. I think that this year the acc would be more of an argument that they could contend as a compost. Okay yeah why are you doing lines of cocaine. No no no no i. Just i'm sorry. My nose etched in. Okay jack can. I disagree about a unc. I'm done the. I think that you will be fine and reload. I just don't think we can get by. So i don't think like we'll be the top of the acc but just if an act makes clinton it's not going to be us by some maybe miracle of god otherwise clemson never really lose. It will last year notwithstanding how they never lose the second best team in the acc. They always randomly lose like the fifth or six best thing. They actually say someone. Yeah you know who that is going to be for them this year. Nc state nc state nc state is going to be good but see. That's my argument with that. Is that like the. I think that the acc is more of a much better than see. Stay away way. More competitive conference has been because trevor lawrence has gone quarterback wise. I'd say what the top i will say does fit the narrative that clemson's playing nc state at clemson nc state never beat clemson at their own stadium. They always beat them. Or what i mean. I think. I like i'll admit yes nor nc states arrival unc. For i just don't. I'm not worried about them from a football standpoint. Maybe a rivalry but that's definitely something they can sneak up. They have the talent and the depth this year. They're planning raleigh now. They're not yet. They are weak forward-planning raleigh. i love it. He said no. They're not as if it was just absolutely they made my list for week four I will say though with ohio state. I was talking to big today. Like and again. Everybody's always excited about the next guy after you'd have somebody like justin fields but he's stoked about this new quarterback of course he is because he's a fucking ohio state fan who stoked about anybody that wears the gray and the scarlet. He's he's stoked now and then next offseason he'll be stoked. Quinn the the recruit from texas is like the highest recruit. They've ever ever twenty four seven has them as a perfect one. Point zero zero zero zero. He's a higher recruiting. Trevor along the four obsessed with this guy bleacher report put out an answer grim posting. We've identified next. Patrick mahomes about quinn. You're he still has another year of high school and high school. Does he go to somewhere in texas. Carol oh yeah dona southlake carroll turns him out now they do but still. I mean like yeah. He's he's excited about. Jt shrout for for for a week for a month and then it'll be the next guy. Here's the thing about ohio state clinton alabama every single one of them replacing their quarterback every single one of them replacing their main running back every single one of them and alabama's replacing every receiver. Four ram receivers over the last two years. I understand their alabama and understand. There's going to be a bunch of five stars but you've got teams like oklahoma and georgia that are built for this season. Just like lsu was built for two thousand nine hundred and nobody saw coming oklahoma and georgia built for this season. Alabama's not alabama's hoping that they got a quarterback. They're hoping they got running backs. They're hoping that. Always be great. Receivers but oklahoma georgia railroad now. I like the oklahoma. Take to him. And you know that. I've been team oklahoma for last three years until they get to the playoffs. But the biggest thing that you said which is absolutely true and you know big twelve fans lose their fucking mind every time we say this but the big twelve does not play good defense in comparison to other conferences but if oklahoma can play good defense in the big twelve then it will be a cakewalk for them. I do that. the big twelve. Hasn't been playing good defense this year. I has got a great defense. Oklahoma's got a great defense. Oklahoma state has a really good defense so this year i think but you don't even have to like compare them to like an sec defense or big ten defense like they just have to be a good defense within their conference because half the teams. Don't play defense. Yeah no. That's true. And i just think a objectively looking at oklahoma always looked at him as a phony as a fraud as somebody who could win that legal bill for that league but when they get in their lead athletes they could not hold up. And that's been the case this year. I think they have the elite athletes plus the elite the teams what the elite athletes a crimson alabama and ohio state are all in transition years. He's not all strength years for them. These are all transition years for them so And their transition years are better than anybody else's great years but it's still transition year so i think that's why i think oklahoma is a legitimate. Not just a threat to get to the playoff when they get there. I think they can actually win. This time welcome brandon. No not welcome. You'll you'll get a squad on mistakes sees me. You mocked me for saying spencer rattler was going to be really good quarterback. I drafted oklahoma. Lash saying jalen hurts was great and then they can win a national title. Then that was ridiculous. No i well. I didn't say they could win a national title. I knew they were going to lose the playoff. But i said that jalen hurts was a good quarterback but when we drafted teams last year. You're like oh. She's gonna like spencer rattler just because he's an oklahoma quarterback here. We are a year later welcome. There's a difference last year and this year last year. He had never proven anything. He was fine. i knew melting. So it wasn't an elite. He was fine lost two games but this year. I think he's going to be a lot better now. my next he's rubbing his hands together. I if you're listening to this and not watching the youtube you're really doing yourself a disservice. Because brandon's facial expressions hand gestures today have been off the charts. I think the new playoff will drive an exciting surge of group of five football. And i think group of five football is about catch fire. I think it's about to open up the sport. This happens in the next five to ten years. But once you see group of five teams able to get playoff spots and once you see a cincinnati. Let's use us ninety for example. No jettison like him. But let's they're the best provide team this year. Let's say look thicker to stay there ten years and they in the first year of the expanded playoffs. They made it and they made it again all of a sudden. You've got a group of five alabama. You've you've got a group of five program that can that can absolutely stick up there and make the playoffs every year and it changes the dynamics. Cincinnati now maybe sucks a little bit of life away from ohio state. I'm just using him as example. I don't know if that's really going to happen. But i think these top nine or ten group of five teams can have such a competitive war every year for these ten eleven. Twelve spots the cincinnati's the ucs the memphis The the boise state of the world nevada's of the world. I think this is going to be such an exciting subtexts to the season. Everybody says only three games matter every year. Still gonna anthony teams know when you get these fucking sixty teams fighting out for these three two or three spot one or two spots. It is going to be fucking electric. And what does it mean like. Let's say let's say a cincinnati were to catch fire okay. We'll say they were catching fire. Let's say just for argument's sake they. They made four five playoffs in a row. Does the big ten say. Hey cincinnati come dance. I don't know is that certainly this integrated fourteen. I can make that happen. Yeah i mean it's gonna get really interesting because we knew with four spots in the playoff that a group of five team was ninety. Nine point i'm gonna say ninety nine point. Five percent never going to make the playoffs even if they went completely undefeated because having four spots and five power conferences. Whatever like that was impossible so they were all fighting out for those at large bids in the bowl games. Now with the expanded playoff. You're absolutely right. Because they know that they could actually make it on a stage where they play the ohio states in the alabama's and the clemson's and all of those games matters so much. That's why i hate this. Whole argument of like expanding. The playoff makes the regular season matter. Less it does not. It makes it matters so much more to teams like cincinnati. Because they know they might have a chance to go in and beat nick sabin in the playoffs if they play well throughout the season so i love it and also from a gambling standpoint. It's going to be really fun. Because like now i mean you already gambling like the big group of five games. Now you're going to be paying attention to the group of five even more so so a couple more takes There's this notion out there that. Lsu is going to bounce back this year. and. I think it's fucking stupid. It's like say that. I've liked to squat on the tape. That lsu was average last year. That will be average this year because they have an average head coach and they have they have above average talent but they went out and found a defensive coordinator. Nobody else wanted they. They're not gonna be bounced back program. Jack i don't want to deal with the lsu smoke. Don't don't let this particularly. I just wanna tell you lsu saying they're gonna win tantalum games. No no they're really not so. Where do you think are going to be. Here's the i think the sec's a little down this year. I think alabama's gonna be good not elite. I'm sorry sued. Limited rephrase at alabama by alabama standards will not be elite right. You're not saying alabama is going to be bad. I keep wanting to preference just like in your last week when you say clinton in alabama teams go. This is a lower tier. Alabama team can still a god tier college football. I think alabama georgia or your top three sec teams after that four four four for thirteen minus vanderbilt are the exact same auburn lsu. Arkansas almost florida kentucky. Put them all in a sack thrown around in your drawn out the same team. Even though mrs offense their defense might be the worst in the country and plus listen. I wanna say this about. I a. I'm looking forward to watching them. This year lane kiffin. Great father figure to those those players out there. I think. I think anybody daddy would love to watch this year. He's he's just a great. He's able to baby that team and he's he's just a very good father figure. I just wanna say that about lane kiffin. I won't say anything else but Stephen garcia just followed me on twitter. You did because anyways. I am just now. He just followed me on twitter. Okay super okay. We're just gonna brag about stephen ross. Well no. I'm saying that jack was right about us. Not interacting with the tweet had we interacted with shame. Beat roy whatever By the way brennan dino. Lsu's win total eight and half. yeah under. i think i'd take the over. I would think over. There's you guys you're falling. Let me tell you another thing. I don't see you talk. Let me tell you this. Oh boy not his hand going under a statement right now. They're losing the ucla week one now. They shot actually. I've ucla has a game ahead of time. That first game. Okay okay fine. I'm writing the some people. I what's the date. It's they have six starters back. They've sixteen starters back last year. They replacing entire team. They also had pollini who may have been the worst as the defensive coordinator of all time and then on top of that. Their schedule isn't that hard. They avoid georgia they avoid. I think they avoid florida. I'm no they don't they play. They play florida of course when we saying. But then they have to play. Bama and i'm of course and then between ole miss and florida. I think they could even find a way to win because they play florida at home and look. I think they'll lose out almost all right. I mean that's the ucla Lsu line right. Now i would assume it's like where's the minus four and a half it's at ucla. I would take plus four and a half right. Now you gotta. Ucla favor about time getting kicks off all the way. That's that's crazy. How they play before the game before like year. Four chip kelly chip kelly. Kelly is ever going to be any time for coach. Oh to i would say it's time for him. Did you see that list. Somebody tweeted us. That look i told you tweeted from the not on it. Yeah is he is. You just can't i don't love in lsu over under to win. Totals next excreta. Bring your bring your brandon. Really your favorite Win totals next week. Okay well write that down. Did you see this hottest. Coaching seats heading into twenty twenty one list. I do scott. Frost is number one. Do you agree with that. I think i do. I although i think. Today's news of albert's being named the nebraska led richard. Pryor buys them a year. Hotel is five. Jim harbaugh is six. Clay helton is seven day. She is to me number. One edwards seems okay so number one is scott frost to is wednesday. Three is is randy. Edsall four herm edwards five coach. Oh six jim harbaugh. Seven clay held in eight. Walt bell and nine dana daimona. You tip what. Her members is only only lasts. Because of what's going on behind the scenes i don't think for anything that's on the field So we'll we'll figure that out but yeah probably safer. Wednesday should be number one two and frost. Frost is a very strong one or two. But again i think five hours the football guy being hired. Today's buys him a year. I don't think he walks in and fires hometown. Guy in your that anymore anymore. Hot takes you. Yeah well there was one more So jack mentioned lsu's over under and a half. I think the over under total that. I would marry myself to the most right. Now is indiana under Eight and a half. I think in the end of the the biggest fraud from last year. It is assume there will be a top fifteen team this year. In fact michael. Junior is number five on that pro. Football focus quarterbacks list. I think that is one of the dumbest thing. I've seen in my life and say he is nowhere near the fifth best quarterback in the country. They're going to start owen one. They're gonna start one and two. I looked at their schedule earlier. They're gonna start two and three. They're gonna start three and four. They've got some really tough games early. They go to penn state as well. Indiana is going to be. They're gonna fall their face. Yeah that's the place. Cincinnati in outta conference. I can i say this. And i know we only had to go one year without it because it was the global pandemic but these these non conference matchups sound so sexy if they would sound sexy the sexy if we didn't have last year happen but boy do these non conference matchups. Shout out the big ten. The big ten steph. One was conference games. Big ten week. One has penn state wisconsin and indiana. You know where they start at at iowa owed one Then they they got cincinnati and three. They got at penn state in week. Five they atalaya stay. Stay at home in week. Seven at michigan week nine. They're gonna they're gonna be flirting with lucy's in all season indiana interesting wait. You know who. Indiana was last year brandon. Yup what happened the minnesota the year after their breakthrough fell apart that. Yeah that's what. I was getting it. I'm not sold on indiana being a one and done entirely but there were a fraud last year their best win was not getting blown out mile high ohio state. No it's hard to tell like especially like look at the michigan and penn state. You don't really know how much of its covert. How much of it is a year. How much of it is just the environment. Like i think penn state will have the biggest bounce back out of all of them. I think penn state is a is a great candidate for for bounceback. Michigan's not going to be fine. But i don't think. I don't think it's going to be like bounce back to where michigan fans want them to be. I mean who's really do for like lsu has to be. They only five and five michigan. I mean again the fact that we knew they probably wouldn't fire jim harbaugh last year of the fact that gave him an extension. It was good for them to give him extension. They got they didn't have to pay him as much money. Show all right here. We go wait. Hold on yes. Can i go get another water. My throat's dry go literally a high washington. Will i guess they didn't. That's not bounced back. Because they were supposed to be in the pac twelve championship game phil steele's number one. Is it surprise team or and who was. Who was his number one overall team. Wasn't someone surprising. Oklahoma is oklahoma which is rising. But i would say that i mean. I don't think there's a lot of places out there that have oklahoma number one. I agree and i the thing about the home as if you study them. The the problems they've had recently are having actual defense and not a fake defense but now they feel so many holes with with transfers they probably hit the transfer. Puerto harder and better than anybody. They got tennessee tennessee. Good players and eric gray. I think it's an all american. Running back. waiting happened and they picked up that wide receiver from arkansas. I recall correctly and didn't even made him just when they need them and they had a running back or age back that got arrested and kicked off the team this past week but i looked into it. They don't need them. He was just one of one of like fifteen options this year. Heading into the season for spencer rattler oklahoma lincoln riley. I know there's a lot there's a big a lot of questions out. There is a leak coached. Not just a great coach. But i completely agree with you. They really have a chance to become. Maybe something maybe they take a step forward. I know that's crazy to say because they've made the playoffs so many times. Maybe i guess stuff forward to be winning a playoff game. That's that's the step right. I mean they get the playoffs. They haven't proven they can win in the playoffs. So that's that's what. I think all right. Let's filled are alternate road trip for wanted to that. Yes also. I'd just like everyone to know that. Normally we do this podcast. And the podcast. And i just barged in there like it was and then do we go dying but i wake up with a cough tomorrow. We know where it came from. The whole the whole fucking office has it. So who's an impoverished one. I didn't even look. I just realized it wasn't kate amos crew. Oh yes i think but. I don't wanna walk in on unsolicited anus. I know well. Oh katie remind me to tell you story after this pike. Oh no okay. I don i. Now i'll be getting. Dm's to tell them that story. 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We're going to build the best road trip okay. Twenty twenty one with the that of one stadium visit and you can only see a team twice so you can't visit us one stadium more than once and twice fourteen. Okay all right so Any other rules. Nope all right Let's see so. What i did was i went through every week and wrote at least five potential games I have seven week seven week three. So how'd do. You guys won't talk about. Do we want to nominate a game Every every person nominates a game from one week to and then we'll decide on what our game is. Yes so so we will. I think that we should just go round the table like week one. What are number one nomination is and if it's unanimous than we know if it's not then we argue it or we'll go ladies first. Casey starts then then. Katie a. redoing zero. Why don't we go to hawaii. Hawaii ella okay. Yes sir put that down. We're going to hawaii or do you want to go to fresno we can go sound. We're going to hawaii okay. I do not want to go to fresno california week. One despite i graphics saying that it would be alabama vs miami. I say we go to georgia. At clinton yes agreed. So you're you're nominating. George clinton at charlotte. So that's a neutral site. Yes i am agreeing with her. All right well here. The ones i thought of yet to nominate one. I thought of penn state it wisconsin indiana iowa. I cross off list because of all the stupid ass bitches. Iowa sneaky one sneaky one north carolina and virginia tech on friday nights. I saw that one. I saw that one too. Not build about lsu ucla but i think unanimously we will. We will go ahead and decide best game of the week. We will knock out now here. You're gonna think. I think okay so this is taken away. George clooney hit those teams one. More time yes. He doesn't take but it doesn't take away tire stadium though. Yeah so that's why. I liked it because neither neither of those teams plays in tiger stadium. That's lsu death valley. Sorry death valley death. That doesn't take away death valley so we're going unanimously. Jack georgia clemson. That's easy georgia clemson. Charlotte is wig one. Put that only graphic yet week to source the more difficult. Are we gonna to the same order. Do you wanna mix up the order logos anymore because that was easy. Let's the star of the order right here with you oregon at ohio state. Same are you girls just gonna. We haven't even list. We have our own lists. You can see it. On youtube right now brandon own lists suck it all suck it art have children that i have two other ones. Yeah yeah together. Join the help what do you what are you doing. We thought about it individually we prepared. There's two other games that we yep. i think three four. But here's a trip. That i would like to take at some point in my life back. Utah at byu. I wanna go to byu provo game out there. It looks beautiful as the holy war. It's it's it's epic. I think there will be a time to catch. Ohio state later in the season. And i think it's shocked. Go oregon allow states either utah or iowa at iowa state. How is it chocolate. Oregon ohio state but not chocolate. Take georgia. clemson is to take george clinton. But i don't wanna take two weeks in a row iowa in iowa state would be a good trip also this year and he stayed at mississippi state events. I'll hey can i give you guys a sneaky. Want to put on the table though a sneaky one and m at colorado so we could go to boulder. I do want to go to boehner this year. But you think the way. I feel like Bora colorado colorado and utah going to be the same weather the fucking same fucking night. So i i'd rather go utah. Byu in week two. Jack what was your. What was your point. You're still most worthwhile state oregon. We'll go to say organs. Fine yeah i had. I was state okay so majority oregon ohio state. Okay chalk ass bitches. No not chuck. I have different ones. We can go to oregon any okay. We can revisit if you talk why you and do what. I'm the only the only ones that think outside the box here. No i've got one outside. The box reminding ready ready for my week. Three outside the box. Why don't you go first every time you said to keep it the same so that time. What are you go for. I this time now. I'm gonna go first jacko first week. Three cincinnati at indiana. We're not gonna go in indiana ever again Sorry indiana fans but cincinnati and indiana. We get to see two teams. We get to see are two pretty good teams. At least that have high expectations. And also we get to see a indiana. Are they legit in when it comes to tailgating for football and whatnot. I know there are basketball school but the second year of a pretty good football program. So cincinnati and indiana is in a bad pick in my book. Brandon aren't so i have several here that would like to discuss auburn at penn. State you know. Sec big ten clash a go-ahead knockout penn state. It's great road trip one. I'm gonna nominate. Is outside the box off because i am capable of that thinking. Well if you're i think you're about to say the one that i'm thinking i i always. I don't like watching this field on tv long. However i feel like if i go there and experience an in person might get a new appreciation for it and this is an early season. I think the weather would be good. Here's the weather we avoid. We need to avoid the south in september. Okay avoid the hot in september. Avoid the coal november. That is my role so north. We're gonna. i'm gonna nominate oklahoma state at boise state. I do not hate that logic. I cannot look at that field. It hurts my fucking is like. I m sure the weather is fantastic but boy that would hurt to stare out for an entire game. What's yours mine. Nebraska oklahoma y. Because i think that after all the waves that nebraska made last year there timeout playing and like before the season they're playing in different countries and know they were. They were all about playing. And then you've got oklahoma. Who's a really good team. You got big ten versus the big twelve. I think you'll actually see how good spencer rattlers is against a big ten defense and i want nebraska to be good again i think when nebraska is good for football is more fun. The nineties were more fun so nebraska oklahoma like a again non conference games are warning them to be good and then being good two. Different things well right. But i'm saying if ideally like and i like going to games enorm- unless playing an because in it's terrifying but i think that game will probably be a night game and nebraska in norman would be a very cool game it's eleven. Am game. and i got really mad. Yeah oh yeah. It's all. I don't want to do it if it's a noon kickoff about it's an kick kick department what's yours catherine. It was going to be the auburn penn state game but to keep us from all doing four different ones. I'm going to backs Sincere indiana oh i. I hold on now. Hold on on jackson something. That was eroneous earlier. Word jackson something that was. Yes wasn't jackson was onus because he said in jersey cough he said indiana. We'd never come back to you but later in week eight. Ohio state of indiana doesn't really have much competition. Oh i see. I have that one too but i have. I think i have a better one week. Eight you've got usa. Raymond yeah so all right so let's to serve. If you guys are gonna change aren't gonna ban. We got a better weekday memphis at. Ucf we can go to florida. No yes we go the jump house. Why would you going week. We got gotta figure out. We grew okay so all right. So what are we going to do. We're not going to indiana auburn penn state. Yeah let's auburn penn. State struck no bake brandon who we have two votes than you guys have to agree on youtube votes majority rule. Do you agree with brandon on boise state Good luck fucking hate that field and then back down from nebraska oklahoma. No one wants to go with me to fucking norman such a disgusting thing for your principles. You boy say oklahoma state. So we're going to auburn penn. State chalky chalky. Chuck chuck awesome stuff. We go to penn state and no. We look like who a yahoo sports college football just covering the surface of things right now. That's what we look like and it's going to be a great game. Penn state loves barstool going. Yeah they're doing to wideouts this year. Okay well week four. I have one that. I definitely don't think anybody else is gonna take so. I'm just going to go out and say it out loud. You guys can poo poo. It ready Texas tech texas all awful. No and here's my reasoning because when those two fan bases get together they fucking hate each other now. It is isn't austin. We're never going to go back to austin. Because austin doesn't have a great game day atmosphere as much as other places however i think that texas tech and texas are pretty similar. This year we're going to see how quote back taxes and that game in week four is going to mean a lot for the conference. And i'm telling you guys texas tech fans are fucking fun to party with tax would blow and i love. I love austin. I look for any reason to go to austin. But i know i'm going to get i know i'm gonna get pooh-poohed on that it's a good good Fan base. i don't think the game will be that good. It's i could be forced kind of week. Yeah i mean there's one shot game. I think everybody else is going to have. That's why i thought outside the box on that one. Yeah it's almost like we're gonna have to settle with that. But so here's what. I wrote down for week four. I wrote down by the way and week three. We just didn't talk about alabama and florida at all. I have on my list. But i don't can't. We also didn't talk about one that i was virginia. Tech at west virginia would be fun ship to virginia. They make it people week four though. Here's what i wrote down down. Kansas at duke. Because my god just give me the worst game imaginable a yukon. You mask game later on down at nc state. Kansas state and oklahoma state never never experienced water. And then my my mac entry for the year l. toledo at ball state. Muncie is beautiful in that time. September and then tennessee at florida but ultimately it's almost like by default. You have to go. Nuradaim versus wisconsin at soldier field to. That's so chuck is also the rematch last lsu at mississippi state that week. I'm saying i'm very unbiased. National journalist so i have put zero mississippi state games on the west. Let's because you're not going to be good did you watch lsu thatcher. I'm just saying fluke tight. Look unless you was terrible. I were neater. I think we have to go. Notre dame at wiscon- verse wisconsin at soldier field. Because that's not not make fun of you katie. I know what the answer is going to be. They had a back coordinator on defense last year. Right you defensive coordinator this year correct. You have no fucking idea. I had no art because they hired somebody who's never bene- fucking coordinator. Then they hired. They aren't somebody that coordinator defense looking at my sheet. I made a sixty page power. Five preview move on. I'll find out so we're talking it up again. I don't think it'll be chock. Bake national games. Like people like notre dame wisconsin on my list. And i got pooh-poohed for that. I think it's interesting. 'cause it's dot com and going back home. I also think jacqueline's going to be a nightmare. But i yeah we have to go with it okay. week five are now. We're getting down some nitty gritty. I mean saying that there aren't they. Jones doesn't know how to coach. Defense is like insane. I'm not saying that everybody's assuming that he does though everybody's assuming he's going to be good based on what based on what i mean. Even if he's average it's a huge upgrade. If he's averaged they're still going to be not very good. You can't be averaged in the sec. West defense coordinator this five years of nfl experience. But we'll see our our. I'm going out of the box one week. Five and i don't give a fuck what y'all think. What what the usa. Mississippi games like auburn lsu. Jaffer you tested. No you say she got up at kansas state. You have texas a tcu. Cincinnati notre dame who jackson a half. I love the troops. I love america and you know when people are talking about going to football games going to army navy well that anything only these teams excess. And i wanna go to. Ucf at navy and beautiful annapolis maryland on this beautiful fall day ucf. Why don't we just go the week. Pro are the two weeks prior. We had the the big discussion about week three weeks what to do week three. Let's go week three army september. Eighteenth that's when uconn plays all now why not that we don't know and then all this week this week we get to go then this week. We go to cincinnati notre dame this. We're going in michigan. Wisconsin no alabama. I love madison. I want to go back to madison. We've been michigan wisconsin. We didn't go to the game. they didn't get to go. katie nominate. here ole miss alabama. I just wanted their arts the foxhole you. I think their offense. Let's offense of battle. Sec skeptical always do now. They did not close loss. Cincy notre dame right. Yeah and you did brandon. You did who at navy. So katie i have to. And i and i said michigan wisconsin. You've already said no to that. Ucf navy just going to be so gross. who wants to watch a football brennan. Does apparently it adds no rain back. No no all right. Okay kent. We're not going to cincinnati. Can we make. Can we make a team decision that mississippi state at an was probably good for the team. Yeah i concur. I can't we just go to college station for that game. We probably should. It's to be hot as hell. I'm just saying week five. It's both of our teams playing each other. You've never been kyle field. None of you guys have been to kyle field. You've never been to college station. We went to start the last year. Let's go to an this year. Mississippi say today an. She's right all right. Lock it in. And that's not chock good. I was pregnant. None of my suggestions on the heart and soul the fucking podcasts. Better make but arguments okay. Brennan you go first week. Six this to me is the most loaded week. okay today. loaded a bunch of shit and you just took one games out. I know back to back now. Saw the answer would be alabama dana. Correct i'm just looking at my list. So i'm just i'm just I'll be answer. The talk answer is oklahoma texas alabama. An answer well. I think oklahoma texas always looked at I mean i. I look georgia at auburn. Because that's an incredible rivalry look at oklahoma texas. I look at penn state iowa. No-name virginia tech. This is a loaded as week. What if we're taking the most. I've we're taking the most iconic river. Whatever we're doing here. I think you have to go oklahoma texas. Yep i agree. I think we should go to the red river. Shootout red river shootout. It is we're gonna continue to call it a shootout 'cause fuck everybody also wrote down boise state at byu was i want to byu. And y'all what's your obsession is one way you look beautiful. It is beautiful. i'm this fun. Gun bowl is in but grab of texas it. In dallas so said shitty area michigan nebraska would have been good that we did it so it's a loaded week nor name of jeannine took great. It is a lot. But i think for you know for the college football experience we've got to go to the cotton bowl. It stinks there but Okay so week seven. Who's going person I have to one of them. I'm guessing breath talking about miami. Unc the second one ucf in cincinnati. I was talking about neither of those. Oh all right. I was going to say miami at north carolina. Let me tell you something if you are planning a college football trip football stadium trip and you don't go to baton rouge louisiana the stadium the best tailgating the craziest fans and you got to go to florida at lsu and week seven. I mean i have that written down to more than ucf cincinnati. Yeah i can tell gates about the actual game. Llc florida the those teams could be better than both ucf instance annetta proportionately better. I think it'll be ucf. Cincinnati ba. i also just don't think cincinnati ohio. I'll probably be forty five degrees. I agree with z florida. Being a better environment. I was thinking more of the matchup. Just like what it means. Storyline with the probably whoever wins. That's the best cooper five team in the nation but have on so we're the l. Lsu florida where. I was wanted on a draft. So i can have games wanted well but then that would have been stupid graphic. I told you. I wanna do a draft so i can. I can go with my people here all of a sudden a mormon all right. Look at me blonde hair. Don't have sex. I'm a moment in florida. Lsu you have multiple wives right. Imagine that adviser trade into one. I got okay. So what did we decide on. Florida florida out granola jack. Thanks yeah ok. His opinion more than both stores. Lsu is also who wants to go to cincinnati ohio in october. What about my. Why is miami north carolina so bad. I mean it'd be fine. But i just not. It's not unless you. You maybe notre dame florida at lsu again kinda kinda wildcards here I will let jelly off on this. One yeah i mean. We're getting deep into october. So i guess we could go down to orlando. we already said no there Obviously probably the chalk. Pick is no usc at notre dame. But it's gonna be cold up there. But i guess if you wanna go to notre dame e kinda wanna not go when it's ninety five ninety degrees you kind of want to go into. It's a little chilly outside. So i want to softener name. I think it'd be funny if the day that you. Us's at notre dame we go to fucking bloomington. indiana would be funny funny. But here's the thing though brandon. Usc at notre dame is the seven thirty kickoff and a night game at notre dame would be sick. all right. i. I'm on board for usa. Early renown. I wrote down. Nc state at miami. Ohio state of indiana oklahoma state. I'll stay in memphis. Ucf i ucf is sneaky sneaky. But i mean if we're gonna go to south ben and it's a night game when you've got the you know the iconic usc helmets klay helton's on the hot seat. I think that game would be so sick. This is so chalky. I'm doing initially by myself and it's going to be my list. Okay with autographing it's not chaki. It's just i mean. I also coastal upstate for week at a talking. It's truck but it's the ideal trip do you want. Is the ideal trip going to ball. State against ohio. Know unless it's a tuesday night in november that's college football state bluefield. Go look at it yourself. Byu with bunch of morons. Come on. I know you can reduce your obsession all of a sudden with byu. He's found his people all right state where your people aren't trying to let me know. I have one where i want to go to aims. I have one. Don't worry we. Usc notre dame yes let's her weeknight pick brandon. Probably going to be like indiana against. I'm gonna he's gonna go with that. I should say ohio state not nuts. I'm torn between two. I'm torn between two two. And you know. I'm a little second notre dame. We've been talking about two months after we can't get yeah. They're the list because we're going there the week before. We hit the my socks. We're going to stay in although noting list. So they're off okay. i'm torn between two and it's michigan and michigan state. 'cause give me a rivalry game right up in mom and mom s timmy. That demi georgia florida at jacksonville. Okay so my two that. I'm trying to decide between our georgia florida. Jacksonville or iowa at wisconsin. That's going to be so that's like watching. Old people thought. Casey watched nine six game game with just wanted. I i you know. I'm trying to get back to madison to madison fucking going. I was in town. I think iowa's going to be pretty decent this year and what not scoring be grocer game it will be gross came but i also like georgia florida like yes. It's like when it's when it's a good game it's great it's can kind of a little bit be overrated. Sometimes i don't know i've never been. I've been multiple times. You've never been cool. Katy what's your pick i wasn't into. Unc notre dame but second option. Probably georgia florida jack. Yeah i think maybe that that rivalry and is overrated but it seems cool you get to stretch and get to experience to columbus go to penn state state. I don't care. We haven't got ohio state. Yeah yeah. We do oregon ohio state. We're all of you guys. Have you guys at the large outdoor cocktail party. Let's go georgia florida okay. Brandon ran in week ten. This one's catered to you sir. Oh yeah i'm ready to go to texas at iowa. State alum ready to go to the worst part in the country according brandon. Where where are you going. Oxford by fucking golden care. It's the brenner walker. Morley crop poll lawson horsera-. Everybody okay good way headline did you see that. Who liberty picked up a born again christian after he was kicked off of the tennessee football team. I'm going to say this. I think for the sake of the podcast. We have to go to the hugh freeze game. No absolutely not going off mississippi city. We're going to washington. No ghana aims are first of all hold on areas in a state lord. Week right here. We're just gonna skip lsu alabama or auburn am. Ohio state nebraska. I do kinda wanna go and branca oregon and washington on your top five lists. Yeah i know. But i played content above it texas at iowa state. Both of those teams are always youth versus arizona's. Very sneaky. good. That's gonna be the winner of the south. Oh that's not even the best game in the pac twelve week between i know oregon and washington is my top gone a pack twelve school yet. No seed washington going on in washington. We're going to say okay. I got to. Oklahoma aims oklahoma iowa state. Oh perfect day. Playing a norman week. Twelve so go. They're not just really ought to go the bathroom in the middle. We got three weeks left here. Jack three weeks jack. Okay oregon going inside on frames. No sales meetings. So here's the thing. Here's the thing now. We have not run into this yet. It took two week ten. We have a two square off. Then you guys winning because you guys are the heads you're right. It's all equal table. No texas iowa state. We're going we're gonna aims. I consider a youth equal. Okay so brandon. We're going aims. You're going we're gonna hams. I kinda like. I work in washington to yes organ. I watched it too soon to be good. Those are two very good team this year. Okay then okay. Fine fine i do agree with. I do agree that you packed. Going to be good this year arizona state if they don't have a big blow up with the coaching staff and what's going on behind the scenes. They have a good football team this year. Arizona state could see post season ban by the way out here. Not sure yet. What week eleven. We could go to washington the very next week. Okay we could arizona's say washing. So let's say okay aims week ten washington week. Eleven because the game that i had was michigan at penn state. But we've already gone to penn state so we can't go back so we're sailboating week. Eleven we're going to ames week. Ten twelve we get to go to norm for you. Yes no why. I was dated oklahoma. We actually was going to say. Virginia tech at miami. Why we're we're but that's not bad. I don't hate for stop so we were going. You know it's funny. You went back to sippy. And it's mississippi. Haircut kiss came back right oh on his iowa state and we tend yes and then week. Eleven we're going to arizona state washington. Yes and we're getting a air force colorado state. I had written down i to to buy we'll make sure and that's okay so weekday in we're locked in texas iowa state week eleven were locked in going to washington sale washington. Well great. we didn't have many good games. It's a good game. But i'm saying like the other options for me. Were miami at florida. State and michigan penn state. Ain't ole miss may may not be awful. Take you guys inside. The top process at omegas isn't on the goddamn tape. Go you know you're not gonna take me to colorado state at air force. Have elevation sickness send video. Oxford mississippi is not part of the ideal road trip. All right not week twelve twelve. I'm going to try to fuck and wiggle my way back to madison again. Nebraska wisconsin. I put every home game for wisconsin. Madison it's unbelievable. Up to master wisconsin in the bud grant november. I don't care about that okay somehow. Other options my other options are. I was at oklahoma. But we're already going. Oklahoma and virginia tech and miami we wealth. No no no no. We're not going oklahoma. Yeah you're not. why. Oh oakland i have to iowa say oklahoma twelve but we've just been aims two weeks before that. Yeah we went to top team i can. I share a secret week. Twelve deepened november so cold colorado state's at hawaii is i knew each year old. We're going to hawaii already. Virginia tech that miami. I'd just take you all of you guys iowa state local job. But i liked the idea. We're going but we also just saw oregon utah people. It's going to be cold up there to byu game. And then saturday we go to utah. I'm doing that with thirteen. We're going to do a three day. Trip for games really not gonna go to madison wall to the medicine. But i like it or what we were going to say. No yes we just saw. I would say played two weeks before go back. Take you fucking to ask the bathroom jack. Somebody else i record. It'd be fine. He didn't even hear you say that social we just take a pause now since. We're all arguing with your official one. Yeah what's your official twelve. We virginia tech. We're going to miami. we're hitting south beach with. I think we should. I scratched the aims game now and then go to iowa state oklahoma. You all pulled that you want to go to ames okay so then okay drennan. If we scratch the aims game then where do we go week. Ten washington then. What do we do with lsu in alabama nebraska. I think lsu l. o. I say liberty illness you have to do it. The content that is going to come onto one of only skating in the name of content. There's no content i got. They don't pay me enough. Do content that piece of shit. I was like trying to get us to go to texas tech texas earlier. I'm like i like austin content. I say we stick with ames week ten. We sail in week. Eleven and we go to south beach in week. Twelve for along legitimately be the big twelve championship game. The fastest okay. So mississippi state arkansas and again so week. Ten brandon little rivalry there. Okay so what are the week ten options. If we take aims off the table i have. Lsu l. at alabama. Mississippi state and arkansas indiana michigan oregon washington usc at arizona state yes and then liberty. It'll oldness okay. I don't if we take it off. I don't think we should do. Lsu alabama because. I think we've done to messy games. I like indiana at michigan. One to. I don't know the problem is we. Don't we're not seeing him. That's the issue. We've georgia florida as we were all sort of. Sec game the week before. Okay wait wait. Shut the fuck up and went okay. What if week. Tin way sale gated oregon washington k. And then week. Eleven to miami florida state and then week twelve. We go to iowa state oklahoma who loves that in on that miami florida state is also on my list. Because it's a great. it should be a good rivalry. it's not been recently but yes good call brennan. So we're getting week ten. Yes you're going to florida week. Eleven we're going to norman week twelve. Yep love it know what i love about this. We're not going to any of these fun. Just hypothetically a fantasy world thirteen all right rivalry week week. Thirteen spending thanksgiving together and god's country and we're going to my mama's house in west point mississippi. We're going to thanksgiving some green bean casserole mac and cheese some. We're gonna eat all that and then we're gonna ride over will thursday night. We're gonna watch mississippi state when the bowl after the that. Now you wanted to know one thousand percent. Because i want his mom's cooking and then thousand thanksgiving right in the walker household. Yeah and we do eleven thirty morning and we and then we ever that game and the next morning we get on a plane and we go to another rivalry game. We go to raleigh north carolina. That's where we watch. Yes they're lana state. And then on saturday we finished robbery weekend. And you can hate. Take your pick. We can go to alabama and go the iron bowl. I don't to state at florida. When go to an lsu going to oklahoma oklahoma state we go to bedlam. Orange michigan clinton south carolina. But i think iron bowl is better that way we stay in the south so we go on thursday. Unc nc state. Friday and alabama and auburn. Saturday tell me that ain't a great weekend. I'm going to wake up dead tomorrow because she okay. I too much dick. She told me earlier. Never you can never have enough that. Sorry okay now. She's now convulsing all right. Good stuff you know. She has a she has data night. Katie so hopefully show okay so to recap for jackson back from his hot and this okay now cases down on not great. I thought i lost. Aw four hundred scheduled barstool athlete post today nearly blonde to burn this office for the ground. Cool cool everything on twitter and instagram. Good on our teams. We still need. Oh we've got one major one week. Thirteen at auto mention but ohio state at michigan. I literally said it. Oh sorry no. I love that too. All right. ohio state of michigan's good art to recap wait and wait for john for jack week. Fifteen army navy and and we we fourteen best championship game. I want to home. Ac but we're probably have to cases. I think i'm dying. Who also next week. It'll just be me jack. And katie sim flowers and Requests for feet picks to to me. I'll get them to picks. Hey we'll get the necrophiliac's we're going to have to have an open casket but it'll be open the foot end. We can charge. Just come up and look at them little to do. Katie david All right so david jackson ones or twos. Tell brand what happened. Tell brennan what happens. We were gonna fill episode. We couldn't find anywhere we've as time to are her where i'm in. The bathroom answered the phone. While all the time before was cussing facetime. My parents not friends. I don't facetime when i'm in the bathroom doing anything your shower. Yeah okay relax. He's really gentle k. Maybe fell in. I do not miss that office. Tell you that is just because you're shining. Faith is not here to light it up while we're at it playing some new merch be nice human. You can see it on the youtube can see. This is the blue version on the front. There's a i mean. I'm literally dying as we're speaking ext dying. There's a piece thank you imprint. The biggest of all time. There's a peace sign on the front. We've got blue. We've got barbie pink and we've got off white. They're very nice. And they're very software interval power and season. Three this podcast. You've never even suggested a a t shirt idea or tank top idea. Now we're playing your the show. I have i absolutely have. We are the i think i always brought. Low of underserved represent by stuff. I honestly think we are the worst in the merge game. Jackie missed a lot. Has happened are so now jack a lot first of all i had an absolute side. You can keep it in the youtube because probably very funny. I legitimately almost but coughing. All right out katie's now paying people to lick my feet and my casket you missed. Three cats are caused ultimate road trip. Twenty twenty one reference in week one still on the road trip we wait for you to recap. i'm kidding. I know i was joke week. Zero not league one zero. We're going to hawaii for two to treat ourselves so good plan but we're going. La yes all right. We're gonna ukwa in hawaii and zero in week one. We are headed to charlotte to take on georgia and clemson there. We go georgia clemson and wait one week to. We're going to columbus ohio where we see the oregon ducks at the ohio. State buckeyes wait three happy valley auburn at penn state or we might be big ten heavy auburn at penn state with four. We're going to another site. Might be going to many neutral sites. We need on campus. We're going to notre dame against wisconsin in chicago we five. We're going to college station with the unnecessary roughness rivalry battle no best this year. Thank you there will absolutely be bet you know there. I remember brennan. It is not me that you have to worry about understand that i understand that but you know that the two other co host of ours on the college football show will not let that fly and you know that mississippi state at five and facing. We're actually probably going to have to really and we. Actually you know 'cause y'all were already we're going to be at a different one. No not that right now. Not that we yes. This one happening now. This one's happening. Oh okay yeah you guys can. We can go to that one. I'm gonna like okay. can somebody what. Oh yeah. I know which ones not happening okay. Weeks at six we're going to Dallas texas for oklahoma texas. The red river we seven we're going to baton rouge florida at lsu. Wait eight we're going to usc at her name southbound nut by the way nothing else out of the box. We're such talk bitches. We also just non power five but somehow he always ended up week. Nine georgia florida and jacksonville. Wait a minute for science. Let's the issue with that. It's still not a campus but so we're not feeling the campus five. We're not going to union. We're not even chick-fil-a and college kids around the corner from here is absolutely not a chick-fil-a around the corner from at all it's pretty close by five and two okay brandon. Now week ten eleven and twelve. Jack missed all the new rewrote week. Ten eleven twelve jack. Every suggestion you got thrown out in week ten we are now going where sale gating again. We're going oregon and washington most of the one that i initially said we're going to oregon at washington and then we eleven. We're going to miami at florida state alone tallahassee. We're gonna go miami florida state for some reaction and week twelve. We're still going to iowa. State oklahoma pretty good great. I love it. Sounds good i would love to go to tallahassee and then i suggested we ten and then we twelve That sounds great. I want to go to that game and we now have a three parter for rivalry weekend. Guess can i guess okay. Thursday night we are going to mississippi starkville. Yes then on. Friday we are going to fuck are they. Not now. we're not gonna fall. We are going to be great content. Fuck and then. I'll give you a head. It's somebody in this rooms team. Another campus there. I mean jackets. Pretty easy to figure out. we're going to nc state. Yes and then saturday. We're going to our state michigan or alabama auburn the iron bowl. Okay nice awesome. That's a great trip can't wait and then what conference championship game. Tweedy decided the best one. I think we should add the on the graphic the one that means the most for the playoff algebra the conference championship game. That means the most for the playoff implicate championship game. Just to be dick's or the mac go to detroit game and then week. Fifteen army navy. I'm i'm creating my alternate list. Next week i just want go and give you that. I gotta go at least one matt game. I'm sorry i gotta go game and guess what they'll byu. I'm gonna say why don't you. Why don't we just make an alternate list together. Now because i list my i was going to be shit shawki. I'm so i'm going to die. I'm physically going to die. The bart simpson should be writing on blackboard. That's how shafi this list. Oh you're fine. It's going to be fun. It's konta almost jack. This that's all we check when couple when you re when you re watch this you're gonna see brandon. Absolutely lose his mind right before i become deceased. It should probably be a clip on the internet. That be phenomenal for content. The the game. Not casey dying. No also. That would be good for content. Well we're gonna go to. We're to go to three weeks basketball game this week this year. Katie gray for content. Okay it would be you. I love to death. But i think that him and ado in rough and rowdy. You're in a room together for the kids would be amazing in the name of conference right. There was a lot worse. We have everything we have those lists. But i'm to be honest. I don't know if i can. I can speak much longer are you. Don't have to speak. I do want to tear apart one of these lists. We won't do both. We'll do the top hundred players next week. So jackson me the pro football focus ranking all one hundred thirty quarterback starting quarterbacks in college football and you do not have to participate. You can jump in when you want to First of all pro football focus. I think is fantastic. I think they they're. They're very unbiased. I think they do a good job. I think You know look past the guys recruiting rating. They look past the guys word plays and they look at the actual production. And i appreciate that however there. I feel like this list just wrong. So many places. I'm gonna start at the top. They got Spencer rattler at number one same helen number two. I think sam how is far and away the best quarterback in college football coming into the season. He's proven more than spencer rattler Hundred percent more. He's done it twice as opposed to once And sam how last year it is people think oh he just handed off. Those running back knows roy. Max went off and great stats. Same house still had. I believe thirty. Five hundred yards thirty touchdowns seven receptions in a kovic shortened season. He was fantastic his two years if he played for years. You're looking at a guy who would go down. As one of the all time statistical great. He's not gonna play for years. We're gonna play three. But is three years are going to stack right up with trevor lawrence's do use them. What this list. They have at tier system too so they have spent so rattler into your one by himself as it comes and they basically over to. Are they expensive rather than a very good quarterback. I don't think you can justify him being over sam. How are being gonna tear by to say even if you you try to make the argument that he's better than sam how much i agree with. You can't yet because we haven't seen that on paper. He's not in a league of his own. You cannot put him in elliott zone yet. Maybe ll season. But they have. Dr king three dylan. Gabriel uc four. I'm fine with that. I think michael junior at five is one of the most overrated players. I've ever seen anywhere michael pass. Junior is fine. He has a solid quarterback. Call him above average quarterback. He is not an elite quarterback. He's not a great quarterback. He is somebody that can manage a game. And and and make plays louis fate. And he's fine but he's not the fifth best quarterback in the country period. That's just ridiculous. metro at six. I'm fine with that. i think. Macaroni is is really really good. He's also really bad at times but his good outweighs as bad I won't say every everything but you know the grace mcauliffe seven. I just want to point out a couple. That are too high to low. They've got miles brennan. Lsu at number nine. There's zero guarantee miles. Brennan's the starting quarterback for lsu concept. He's been the next guy for seventeen years and it could be max. Johnson like literally could be him. There's no guarantee miles. Brennan is the quarterback at lsu and certainly nothing to tell me. He's the ninth best quarterback in the country. That is crazy. Yeah carson strong. Tama got Emory jones at fourteen feels a little high. He's never proven anything. Connor obeys lack. Who i at missouri. I think he's underrated Makenzie melton at sixteen. You know who knows what we're going to get from him. They got property at seventeen. That feels low. Feel super super-low if desmond river at forty Me willis at nineteen feels really low. I think he's a top five to ten quarterback in the country and then they got. Cj strahl for ohio state. who's never taken meaningful. Snap the bryan. Young's never taken a meaningful snaps twenty and twenty two Jt daniels at twenty. Three seems very low. I think what we got. Jt daniels last year was fantastic. I feel like he's the top five or ten in this country. Yeah i also very strange. She's not on that list. There's been a lot of luck. Rankings from different people coming out. And maybe this is from this room. But i also got so high jackie daniels in the top five if not top three in every single ranking outside of top ten driven by me. I think i've been driving the jt daniels a lot. But i think we're probably higher j. daniels than most people We're right. I'm right and you guys can ride in that way brandon. You make them occasionally all the time till he then until he then like walks back and says something that yeah twenty six wisconsin's mertz also. There's no reference of jackson thirty check on the way forty-three is just awful. They're the first forty seven year old man to ever start calling about because he's still starting going. I do not know he's played for like seventeen follows on twitter next. He's been following me for longtime. Oh wait he did. He's acid remember. He actually falls on twitter. He's a parcel athlete. That's what he is. L. devon leary. Nc forty four. i think he's ranked lolo Yeah so they're not a lot of really bitch about. But i think they got a couple of wrong at the very very top. Who would be your top of starting quarterbacks. And so i go sam how for sure i'd go. I'd go eric king provided he's healthy for sure. I sure corral for sure daniels. And then i would say who. Jt daniels no. I would probably go now. I'm saying about loud. Whose guys about saying oh Does need and so that would be your five. Would you put details at six six. I would have. I'm having a leak willis way up there. Yeah that's that's what. I want you guys i would do. Sam how spencer. Rattler derek king. Jt daniels matt corral. I would totally six there. Oh sorry i to take one. Timberlake willis out. We'll take him out. don't gabriel. Fuck my six over dylan lock a lot but when glele fuck we off off line we'll talk about all our top ones. I know we'll do. Let's bring our top five quarterbacks next week to bring next week i gotta fix fucking. I gotta fix our trip. And then i'm gonna do that. And then what does the other top five until right down to bring. You wanna do your job. Let's do a quarterback draft. I don quarterback draft. Wait what other lists. Are we supposed to bring next week to bring a list. I didn't know nobody remembers what list wires the screen. Why because i don't know you're going to be on it anyways. It doesn't matter yes. It'd be looking good to what the fuck was that list. Sexy title five wherever. Listen to the show d. You mustn't tell us the jackal. Jack and katie. In back to they'll tell us you're gonna tell them. Give them work already. Listen back to it. What do you tell us. He told us he said on this on this podcast and i actually thought we should write it down but i just didn't write it down. It was early. It was like twenty minutes. In what listed you. Top five somethings unbelievable that guide from dysentery between now. And then. so we'll make money off looking your feet though. Yeah i saw looking. Casey's feed is where i usually like to stop the show. Okay so casey haiti jack. The show is over. Can't wait to see three d brandon so you monday.