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#560: The Magic of Walking

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#560: The Magic of Walking

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That's episode before four thirty three. CHECK THAT OUT ORLEANS. Latest book is called walking. We begin our conversation. Discussing the connection between Bipedal locomotion than silence and how walking instead of driving can help slowdown time to deepen our memories. Party makes the case that embracing voluntary hardship can enrich your life and how walking can be a step towards that shares. Why going for a walk help you solve problems? The most great philosophers Rosso committed walkers with the Adamant East story could teach about the need for exploration. How can you be when those radical things you can do in the modern age? WanNa take a walk doc after listening to show or maybe you'll walk while you're listening either way after it's over checking our show notes at am dot is slash walking. Arlene joins me now via clear. CAST DOT I o.. Oh all right. Arlene Arlene Kagame. Welcome back to the show. Thank you thank you so we had you on last year to talk about your book silence. You got a new book out called walking rocking one step at a time. How is this book walking a continuation of your thoughts and your book silence? I think their merchandise you know I walked a few years. PERSICO awoke alone to the South Pole for fifty days and nights under midnight. Sun Us the first in his stream but absolutely absolutely total total silence. Somehow you know silences APPs as abstract So walking is concrete. I'm very much about inner silence. Somehow walking on silence belongs to get her belong to get a lot of times people when they're walking. They aren't in the. They're not at the South Pole like you were there surrounded by traffic dogs neighbors but he still thinks silence going on when even when you're walking around in in a busy city neighborhood absolutely it doesn't have to be. Somehow I think in a in an annoy sitter noise daily life you need to inventing silence unit. You know you can't wait for silence to come to you and I think I am walking. It's some it's easier to find this in the silence. Compared Patrick like sitting down or you know looking into a screen well one of the interesting things you start off talking about in the book with walking is that it can change Asia our sense of time compared to win we drive or like or on a bus or a trainer airplane. So what happens. What do you think happens when we walk? How does it slowdown or speedup time? You know somehow time passes much more quickly when you increase your speed over travel and I you know it's somehow when new speedup in if a car it's like time narrows in when is slow down the walk. It's like time is is is expounding. It's counterintuitive because we think. Oh well if I can get someplace faster. I'll have more time aimed to do the things I want to do. But that's not the case I mean in sort of lived experience. phenomenology you. You'd get there fast fast. But then you still feel like I have no time like that just went by so fast. But if you take a walk it seems to prolong the experience exactly and I think you know that's something everybody who walks you know. Let's experience everything everybody don't shares. That's kind of the great secrets. All share that time is prolonged when the walk. It's like a time machine. Of course you know mathematically you know what to set. It's true that if the drive is said Oh walking you save time in my experience somehow rely fits absolutely the opposite when I speedup. Don't experience anything. Everything's the rush Eventually get to the place I want to go to I you know. I don't have any memories of the you know nothing happened. But when I walked the same distance a C thinks I listen. I smell things. The environment is changing much. More slowly. And you know it's it's enriching life so walking can not only prolong your life because it helps your health right So help you live to old age. But he can actually make you feel like fuel at on like a mental level emotional level that your your life is longer absolutely necessary. No it's obviously if you walk a lot you'll live longer. You will have a more helpful Elias. Few heart will beat. You know better in a better way you. Lungs works better you sleep at night. That's on the half the truth My Kids said Condo kept on all scheme even smaller three three daughters to them. Also Dad why do we have to walk Minnesota much false to drive and you know that's a very good question I found it very difficult to come up with good ulcers to crush on you know I tried to tell them you know oldest oldest health benefits but of course that sold a boring to kit. So you know. That's one reason. Cited sat down to write this book to write about. You know what you. We'll kind of wanders sheet count due to on in Ovitz Econom- Little Mystery Picasso. It each foot. You have this to six bolts thirty-eight joint some more than one hundred tendons on somehow those fit can become your best friends so you walk to the South Pole. It took you fifty days as did did it feel longer than fifty days did feel like you were there for eternity. I mean yeah you know this connor strange feeling that your own way feel that you are order fraternity on at the same time. You also feel that it's just this condo tie the second overhaul life so somehow you take time realtor Snyder Yukon beal time when he walked to the South Pole and that's not only been. I walked to the South Pole. So you know. Sometimes they'll do a little bit of door saying the Norway on you can. I think you can do anywhere in the world. The you know for a few minutes over so maybe some days you escape time which is a beautiful beautiful beautiful feeling so related to prolonging the sense that our life is longer related. That is this idea that it can walking can deepen memories and you mentioned a bit of what what. Why do you think that is when you walk? You smell things you see things you hear things that you otherwise wouldn't smell hear or see when you're driving in a car exactly so you have this strange bond between Slovina son memory and between speed on the forgetting and I think that's. That's you know just when you walk in walk in the street. I have a high pace on high forgotten something then slow dom to try to remember while so I have difficult or you kinda wondering if you're going to walk to the right or the left or straight ahead then also slow down to kind of focus so the a higher speed somehow the less intelligent you are in the present moment also you're forgetting foster and also think it comes down to feelings is like To walk away from a problem or forget the problem I speed up to try to forget but when our walk slowly somehow icon digest. Those feelings go through those feelings. I've had that same experience. It's hard for me to remember car rides by kids but I can remember walks that I took with my my neighborhood or on some hiking trail quite vividly. And what we've been talking about really reminds me of research that says when you do novel things time slows down because because your brain pays more attention and takes more footage of what's going on around you and that makes the memory seem longer because there's more footage to unspoiled later so that would be the the case when you take a walk. You're experiencing more stimuli that you wouldn't if you're in the seat of your same old car wasn't through the landscape. Yeah exactly and I think that's that's also about you know to just talked talked about. Also you know to to make your life feel longer because of course if you always have a high-speed always doing the same things driving looking onto twi- screens different screens on a PC. Or your telephone. Your intersocial checking a new solo time. Then it's feel like life is short and you know. Oh I'm fifty six aerosol tend to go to this different birthdays people turning sixty or eighty or ninety years old on at least one will do a speech talk about life being worked on old. His days weeks on the Air Sunday didn't really understand what was life and that's I think it's a bit sad and it's you know it's about the missing this huge opportunity to live a rich life then again a success if sometimes walk new different things slow dot com. You know live a little bit more the present not thinking too much because Finna thinking you're thinking about the pulse of the future then life fields long on you know. Life is long so in our last conversation about your book silence. You talked about this idea of injecting or pudding involuntary hardship into our lives so so let's do refresher. Why do you think it's important that we do that? And then the follow up question that is how can walking do that. You know I'm talking as a a No beach and when I say you know talk about the importance of making life more difficult than necessary obviously five been born in poverty and Saddam it it would have been differently then. Life is older the difficult. But you know if you're born in Norway or manipulates this in the states Really don't have of to do anything in life in the sense that you know hard enough to get the ultimate bed in the in the morning on multi George Mallory Mallory in a neutral tried to mount everest in the nineteen twenties family replied sauced. Why do you want to climb everest if him this little replied because there I think that's a very good answer because I think you know what you had in mind will start. You really. Don't need to climb Everest. You don't really need to do the thing in life in all. Choose to ease option like what often I'll have to choose between two things go for easiest but that's quite often mistake nick because the new also live like unfree human being because you live his appeal Stein that you always do the part and if you're going to live a free life you need to process time and you need to choose the most difficult options in life and and I look on my life. I think you know it's almost all the great great fun old excitement. I've been doing all great experience. Life the have been due to me to saint the most difficult to the east Option option of memory. Prolonging your sense of life. Doing hard things can can add to that exactly it because you know you consists all day looking onto phone but you won't experience in the thing you know you're not going to fulfill and they'll be potentials if you do the the opposite it'll make life a little bit more difficult to get duct to I walked and of course the walk is little bit more difficult usually than to to drive on or sit down but is so much more enriching. It's not you know do a little work. It's not life changing but you know all this is all all is something that is happening is all something. That's kind of ad linked to your life You know so somehow I think in also try to tell but my kids if you have to choose between something which is really easy as something which is more difficult. You should almost all try to choose the most difficult option. It's a struggle so you know quite often you know I don't do it myself but you know it's I think it's important to keep in mind and you mentioned that idea. Uh when you choose the easy way when we do that when we choose convenience we think we're actually we're being masters of our fate but you make this case and other philosophers have awesome. Is this case that when you choose convenience or ease you actually are becoming kind of a slave unintentionally he I think. That's that's a very valid point you you know like many philosophers have been writing about this on some Havi note. You need to choose if you're going to lead your own life or if you're going to be led by. I think you know if you are. You know walking since making your choices. Sometimes you know make life more difficult Gould's Necessary in walk a few kilometers extra getting up early in the morning. Then some of you know ill lead your life you in charge of your life and that's when you know life will feel great nothing to opposite you know to choose this east. Assumption is very much about you know in the long run for instance instance not to get You know not anti-technology anti-capitalist much you know but if she's trying to get up with addicted to different APPS on the mobile mobile phone you know you might quite nicely you know feel restless sods lonely and eventually you know. Many people tend to be depressed from from the tunnel living so shorter. That's the most tempting but little bit longer term. It's a big mistake. I think you talked about you. Mentioned Wali the movie wally. Yeah the an example of that so like in the movie the humans have to leave earth because it got too polluted but then they just become sort of this Dependent all this technology where they just Sit around in these chairs and got to the point. Where like they couldn't walk anymore? They couldn't do anything. They became slaves to the technology. Yeah exactly on you know. It's the Greece mentioned. This movie will years resembles because assorted my kids It made an impression because you know woolley is Eight hundred years into the future but you know a little bit or what happens in the move is happening with us today. We walk less and less. And I think that's sadistic because we are walking species on it's like almost salt bent says has always been walking in the sense that it was not we the homeless offensive Lineman to the possibility of welcome to legs. It was Gerald. It's also possible to walk on two legs that in mental human beings. I'll they have all this. You know been exploring by walking by doing something fiscal by experiencing. That's the basis of all over knowledge. On you know develop ellipoid meant over in all our brains but today we are. The first generation starts to sit more more move less and less on on eventually liken Wali hardly walk at all the way to move us said this is by multiple vehicles. Then it's a question you know. It's still still be whom assault. Don't walk in the morning and it's yeah. The statistics are pretty dismal. You highlight this fact that it was very stark. You compared the activity the physical activity of children who are going to school to physical activity of people in prison and people in prison on average get more physical activity than kids school. Yeah you know that was one of the things that really surprised me. But I did. Research to Margaret Guy Fulton Al's muscles you know so what people society spend the less less time doing outdoor centre felt that the people in prisons Those hard to find some statistics but in England the you know I found it It appeared at one quarter of all kids in four percent old kids in England the spend less stumbled stumbling over doing of doors a day. Actually one quarter of kids in England. Don't do any old doors at all during the average stay so you know it. Twas a bit sad to see that it's kids that spent doing the less time outside their homes in society Needle that's a very take tough. Start on their lives. And it's unfortunate stark because you know a big qualified for life type of great life later. We're GONNA take a quick break for your words more sponsors. After thousands of hours perfecting the science light box has figured out how to grew the perfect lab-grown diamond lab grown diamonds are essentially chemically the same as natural actual ones just made in a lab to make them these plasma reactor to he pieces of lab grown diamonds up to temperatures almost as hot as the sun about two weeks. Those Little Caesar turned into Full Carat Stones lightboxes hacked the process to consistently create their gorgeous stones. And here's where it gets really interesting. Light box lab. Grown diamonds aren't just made the same every time they're also priced the same. 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You are part of a line of philosophers who also were walkers so who are some of these other famous philosopher walkers that you've encountered in your your reading you know it's surprising lamented philosophers who kind of kept on walking of course socrates these Sitka Gore the restrict philosophers to just walk the streets and there it is offensive Copenhagen to talk to people and see what's happening around on the on on of course needs to Fabius said he could not think any great ideas without being walking It's also even reflected in over language in the English language. Just like in the which language dot like this you move on your being moved on on Moshoeshoe emotion if you go to Silicon Valley today you'll see you know people walk a lot. There have meetings on the walking on one. The reasons that inspired by Steve Jobs of course because he was a keen walker and the ad this on he told his kids no way. You're going to use too much products. For example you need to move around in Italy. I have to life and of course the possibility for becoming a new job. Spy Walking is not doc great but you know it helps a little bit. What do you think the connection is between thinking? Why do you think all his philosophy? Even Aristotle. He was a Walker Kirk. His followers recalled pair tactics. It's like you know walking philosophers. What do you think's going on there? The connection between walking analytic thinking you know I think all walk through in history. They have had the same experience in the sense that as soon stay get up two legs and start to walk the heads clear up the thinking more clearly ideas come into them is super. Good for their gratuity. Fortunately scientists have been started to study this phenomenon on incentive fourteen at the Stanford University in. US The test. The people you know so in terms of creativity giving them things to do what sitting on give me things to do after have been walking for fifty minutes creativity. The increased six percent by all the walking for fifty minutes and of course it doesn't last for days but they lost for few hours Sunday needed to do another walk so like Darvin than he was. You know really hard yet. This chart starting this walking puff so whenever he Kylo did manage to think in the third in Munster right he got up. He walked his walking. Hof Ten fifty minutes came back to his office Lonzo. His head was working on. He could do smerch so he has to take away. There's if you have a big problem a heart problem you're trying to solve maybe said of thinking harder about it. Just go outside and take walk- yeah and you know that's sometimes to Utah walking that you know you don't even have to think about that. Problem assaults or another of the big questions and history of philosophy catacomb up two answers to questions Johanna tossed yourself on socrates was battling cling to this question. I felt a stupid question but it in months to come up with a good answer because socrates ideals that they're thinking bill overhead over brain only eh but then you know as all walkers have experienced. Do you not only thinking the two had the also thinking that your video halt. It affected the whole baldy. Also thinking Badu with defeat. And that's the reason why you don't have to be aware of what's going on in their mind but to combat from walk and solicit you know with two solutions to problems didn't even though you had the genie's the famous cynic philosopher he said it is solved by walking Salvator Ambuhl llandough except computer quilts. It is I gotTA hanging on my wall veteran so another aspect of walking that you hit on the book is getting lost and we live in a world where it's almost impossible to get lost now thanks to GPS. Like there's always that blue dot on Google maps. That knows exactly. We're at what happens when we can no longer get lost. What do you think happens when we can no longer you lost anymore? You know. See the great advantages Google APPs ups. But you know I also really dislike. It saw taking off my phone and the reason I think you know one reason is because I saw call this the deduct. Actually we people. We have become less Intel gentle lost ten years. Thanks to you know all these APPs because we don't we don't do maths and the more you know you know you don't do navigation in the more etcetera etcetera etcetera. That's slowly makes us us. That's one side of it but also just not being able to get lost and more I think about you know it's that's that's that's I don't think it's good for anything on. I do remember. I was hiking. The forests Article Law Solo time. mm-hmm on of course you know it's a great experience not so no way. Are you get the little worried. you start to wonder You really had to think how to be creative. It's healthy for you Talking about to Todd Remember Will Smith Seven Years Sola mcgrilled doodles tenure soul They were all taking in the forest close to the reliving slow Eagle to be wore it because fiddles away on the you know try to find they back home and then suddenly my brothers said the big smile. ooh I got lost hair before so no bevy are now. It's a very profound idea that if you really want to know where you are in life you have to get lost. Exactly that salsa like you know it's it's really great breath experienced condos start on again and take it from there so I think that's you know that's the dog mentioned daily life be losing because us have google nuts if wanting about something you don't really need a knowledge or d to think too much coffee on with Belichick and find the answer in a second. Can By googling it and that's very practical but you know it makes over life slightly more poor do you purposely try to get lost when you take take walks. Sometimes yes absolutely I off in a mountains and enforce but also in the big cities when I get to a new city. I like to walk the city. I like to see the city in slow motion. I like to see the differ from a different angle than all the people like to France. Marseils we walk through all of La Layoff years ago from eastern La don't Cesar Chavez Avenue into sensitive award all the way to the ocean. And what's interesting will start a robot who travels in La Tourist on on on genus. They will sit in a car. They will see their sit through. The windows It's like you know it's like seeing the you know in on the screen on the veto not be but when we walked on sold a sense stuff says maters others but you know we sold over longer. Time is for the city in a totally new way. Sometimes you know we got lost. All the time smoltz. That's you know that's the way to see away especially because nobody else is walking signaled. Motorists don't let people walk in La where drug addict store or or prostitutes or insane people out that's also gave it an extra interesting dimension. Will you said you got stopped by the police. A few times wanted to know what you were doing. They were like. Why are you walking Weirdo? Yeah you know I actually read about you know. The police seeing a bit upset about people walking through Luke particularly era sameday. Another fault. Maybe it was kind of a joke but way east and I les. We're actually stopped by the police under suspicious because fear walking so it has to be something wrong. Something strange you know but as soon as you know the police the Eurotree Norwegians exploring during the city they also say if you want to take photos together with him so you talk about in the book. The idea that walking can serve as a way to transition -sition from you know in our day going from work to home or even on a larger scale might even help transition from different parts of the year. How does that look in your life? House walking serve as a as a transition point today. It does it by you know. I live in the city on I.. Berkeley City so I spent time walking. Vincent's back and forth to my office. It takes about thirty thirty five minutes each way Just by walking I see you know. Sometimes you know what lots of the same houses people this streets every day but I can tell by you know the faces. I see that the changing not a lot a little bit every day I can see no people who are happy. Consider into the happy. I can see you know how they feel is if they're in a rush It's nothing condo fantastic which is hunting but admitted walking king to walk into office. But it's all the small details to tell so big deal about daily life. Tell so big deal about you. Know the people living living the same situation and also it'll transform sue from like from having three kids at home it's you know it's so much noise there's so many things to do you So the rushing to the office I walk on the now you get into different mood on. I get ready for your life every morning to get to my office. If I've been driving save some type of course on my watch but other brault the daily life from home into the my office which would you know. Make me much less effective at at Yale facade thinking you actually need a little bit of time. mm-hmm you need to move slowly to get into a different victim not different mood before we get to jail. If it's possible few but I think you know again people tell. Tell me all the time. I'm so busy I don't have time lab. Nah butto reality is an average no beach today would spend the wrong for over doing social media every day and we live in this country probably like in. The states are on a two to three years time on that again means that the spend thirteen years over I stay in night doing social media so when people tell me into the don't have time for walking. That don't have time for that. They don't have time for silence. I think are underestimating themselves. So so you mentioned when you walk you see people you can see. They're happy if rushed and you can tell a lot not just by the way someone's face slopes about what they're what they are going through in life but also just by the way someone walks in there live you can tell a lot about a person how they walk. Yeah I think that's you know that's I've found that very interesting because of course we know walked on the street you see their faces on a few for a few seconds and that can tell a little bit but to me. It's to brief too short but the new look at people they walk you. Can you know you can watch them for ten. Seconds Hoffman it even several minutes if he walked direction and that again you know tell you a lot about what the people you know will conduct lifestyle living like Agai the streets where I live his army officer and you know the army officer he walks in a particular way. Kinda this confidence self. Through a self confidence walks up to St a Minova get into the city. A see this you know hipsters Zor subtly different guard congregate then again you see some big use You know the data lives somehow. It's -scribed into the bulbous. This also inscribed into the way they actually be walking like a bigger somehow in the life of beggar that condo you know inscribed in their gates. Who can you know? They don't get away from it. And so this you know the way people walk this kind of a based on you know their lives the social status and of course it's it's the gene so another daughters underbid walnut two years old and learn how to walk. You know they cut it. The still walks the same way. I've noticed that when I when I read that section I started thinking about how I recognize people and one way too crowded area where it's hard to see faces like at a park for example and I'm watching my kids. I'm trying to find my kids instead of looking at faces. I look at the whole body of these kids. See how they're moving I can fi. I can spot my kid by the way. They moved their body. Yeah except I'm not taking no kids but also figures you know interesting walks people walking. Walk it out two guests. You know what to thinking what's going on in the mind You know it's also. I read this report to police. Though of course to have depend on fingerprints in the investigation worked for for decades the dove the starting to analyze how people work and I think now walk Gender Thinking Event Schley not to be at least even maybe the more accurate and fingerprints to identify people talking about this idea of how walking or the way we walk changes the way depending on how we feel. You can always tell someone who's really tired from just life right so it can be a beggar or could be to someone who's really stressed out at work. But he said there's you notice that there's a difference between the tiredness of someone who's just world-weary and the tiredness is someone who just got back from a an invigorating hike that there's a difference between those type of Gates said huge difference on you know when a walk in the streets and see people are dull through are tired you know. It's a kind of a sadness quite often. Them they live is tough but then the new when you go for instance on a hike in the forests. It's it's it's interesting to see. Maybe even see the same people all the people in the start on ultimate on their hikes. They also look at Tocado a bit tired of it restless not happy but I think almost everybody a C.. Returning learning from a hike. They look happy. They are smiling I think that's just you know as you move on your being moved on. The hippocratic defaulter modern medicine for more more than two years ago. Of course has said that walking is the deceit but also said that. If you're in a bad mood go for a walk on. If you're still in but-but Gov for another woke on. That's you know the whole so I think for flavor. What if this everybody it is? It is solved by walking it. Sold by welcoming exactly solved by walking you talk about the story of Adam and Eve and that the story of Adam Adam need is a story about walking what can Adam and Eve teaches about walking and being human remembered I been to school learn about I other than eve. How animals tempted by eve on hold a chase? Also power lies us a dramatic story the today I look at at you. You know very differently. I think you know everyday life in paradise you know. They lost that one single very important thing and that's excitement you know it was. It didn't have the excitement at all. Life was very boring. So of course. It's tempting to try an apple from from the tree of wisdom as Adam did scientific the Fula bear reducing I don't think the rich taste of paradise I think Actually walked off Dope Paradise voluntarily because the Fed up in that way of course even Adam became the world's first of Wondrous Undersell deferrals explorers by leaving Paradise As I said earlier on making a lives merch more difficult than it had to be In that sense I think Adam and Eve you know kind of role models because of thinking. Oh I'm struggling with it on a think most people I know you know the struggling ailing with it that you know life quite often can be burr an exciting You need to find excitement in your life then then you actually have sometimes to leave what you doing. Walk Away Do something differently right the Bilbo baggins the hobbit when you walk in and walk out of the Shire to go on that and make life a little bit harder for himself. Well in this book you talk about you mentioned this guy. I'M GONNA probably knock knock at his name right because I think it's Norwegian aren't a NAS niece. Yeah you know each this improving right. It has improved since last time he has. Has this idea. This Created a formula for happiness. Yeah I think you know a leading philosopher and made his fomer lift for happiness and you know it's like happiness equals like you know a big partner glow under global foldable fervor or joy joy but then you also need in life in need pain. The ultra with a bullet pain you need. Mental Pain See knows a combination between Ryan glow that can be multiplied by itself or more on one side and then pain on the other side and I think that's something which is very easy to to forget in daily life that you don't take no you should only have fisher shoulder have happiness you know a talk to kids spills. GROWNUPS said that. You know All I won't be is to be happy. And then they know forget that it's a meaning with pain on still possible on the to Cellino. Pain is was given to us as human beings as a very important thing Ill Holes important. You know. It's all the way that you can. I just feel happiness is that somehow we relate to to pay in life so this goes back to your idea of you know putting struggle in our lives in another philosopher. Peter wessels whistle off. He wrote a book on the tragic. And he said that you know when you take shortcuts in life you rob yourself of that happiness or that or does it not rob yourself of opportunity to be human when you take a shortcut. I think so because you know it's early. It's possible to make life at least for most Norwegians and most Americans is possible to make life super simple super easy through almost every day. But that's a snow. You know suffers chest is all the mortgage process then living life as a human being you living ever the life you living ever unveil and feel life because it's it's obesity onto choose because you only got to choose to the ISA's option You know and the Freeman. He possesses this time and he possesses choices. he is key to fulfil her sis- own potentials on. I think that's Super Important Picasso thinking one way. All this talk about happiness I think you know happinesses overrated in the sense that people like to have happiness from minute. Two minutes Dan that's still possible. It's it's it's They're naive on your fixed. You know it's I. I think I don't enjoy freezing. I don't enjoy royal paid but it's an important part of life A few weeks ago this problem with my appendix ruptured of super painful out to go through through surgery of Cigna Hospital on I was very dull on the ultimate hospital Oughta few days I started to feel good again. A start to feel health again on us a great feeling that you know you know this. This is the weakness eventually. Leave your body and then if you'll strong again and you know I think that's one of the best feelings ever on if it hadn't been for the problem's been my appendix had that's problem and of course the Sabbath freezing its coupe Tolerable but then again eventually get warm again. That's the best feeling and walking as a way. You can add that a little bit of hardship into your life on a regular basis. I think it's I think is important actually to you know go to wolf from A to B because it's practical is good but sometimes you know I advise people to the extent like an advise anyone to try it to do some really long walks and Renault and go on forever skipped really tired. Rare South Dom Not because it's you know gift so health benefits but because it's it's a beautiful feeling on eventually at least that's my experience. Get Tired Kinda stop thinking you just being you you just experiencing the whole situation Then again then eventually make it back home. You can relax. It's it's a tremendous feeling. You have maybe have a shovel. Yes hoping to eat that food. Of course as never test the better off off you have actually been on a long walk are so you can walk in the city. Do it as frequently as you. Can you recommend all taking a you know a long a really long walk doc. Every now and then any other walks you recommend or that you've done like walking at night or walking in bad weather like just walk whenever yeah. I think you know it's it quite it has. It's live my kids to say we don't want to walk because it's raining You know that's again is a huge huge misunderstanding. Because you know I think in a quite often stinks. Looks more interesting and more beautiful when it's rates I'd also maybe you get wet. The to an even sleigh get into a house again you get to beautiful feeling of drying up on getting the heat back so I tied to walk totally in the pendulum better in a few weeks. Plan to walk the two friends. Just Walk Broadway away from northbound Ter- downtown Manhattan. Just walk it at nighttime. It's nothing big. It's it's free. The doesn't just doing it to see the city in the dark to see what's happening Dr Tool to hold lights She's Sutton expedition is just about. You know about learning about all the people on of course you know learning about myself one of the interesting arguments you make. The book is that the slowness of walking can actually be counter cultural. Absolutely I think you know also because so much inova society is about speed. Did you have to hurry up all the time. A robot assess the short on time daft goals from eight to be in high speed to have to have to be on the phone all the time they have to check. The News G. Times every hour. Although that I'll nothing has happened. The super restless attitude throughout the whole society and of course the government dismembers about speed they wanted to speed up because he got to create Gross National Product. Business is selected to speed up because elected not to consume. So you should hurry up from A. TO B. We should sit down and consume on. The educational system is also very much about speed. Because they're going to go through school as quick as possible to become become a good taxpayer. Oldest is good but you know has good sites. But they'll salsa husino salsa a little bit you know negative Stoiber data lives so in that sense I think to walk today has become almost radical. Things can do. Yeah it's it's a make you free Ryan said Sorted so an act of rebellion a lot of ways yes cells I take Fica. Also you know it's even a little bit on artistic in the sense that if you take the metro throw a drive a car. Take your play. Whatever someone else's deciding your speed deciding where you can stop? This is able to conceivable to can do et CETERA. Aw but if you're walk you do two pace you can stop whenever you're like you. Can you know you can look around. You said that sense. It's not a huge on artistic the thing of course but the sustain non genetic movement to be walking were Arlene working people go to learn more about the book and you work. I think you know it's been wrote a book on walking I've thought to make it really short As better year and a half to write those few words because my idea will start you know people people could spend one thing maybe to reading my book If they want to learn more the shouldn't necessarily Google me or walking. There should go walking themselves amid Ba- find their own self pulse. I Love Arlen Kagame. Thanks so much time. It's been a pleasure. Thank you by yesterday. 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Kay Special: Avoidance

Neurodivergent

19:18 min | 2 years ago

Kay Special: Avoidance

"Hello everyone and welcome to the neurosurgeon podcast. <hes> what we talk about things sometimes <hes> sometimes we talk about mental health else <hes> but more often than not we talk about of the thermal interesting things let unfortunately today. It is one of those days where i'm going to talk about something mental healthy <hes> unfortunately i'm not joined by damian's day without getting too far into of hats. I've had some shit going on and is affected our schedules recording a podcast this week week so i'm gonna be recruiting my lip so d- and damian's going to be recording his so hi my name's kay and i'm incredibly avoided. I'm probably one of the most avoid people that you meet that you make in your life <hes> so i wanted to talk about avoidance today and how how good i am and what i'm trying to do to kind of talk it <hes> so have you didn't know i've taught one bipolar disorder. Uh i have generalized anxiety disorder of of google disorders but because i've been focusing on the by the epa sorta kinda thing i haven't really addressed the whole avoidance sing and i'm in long term therapy. It's fun. It's great would recommend and <hes> and it's only recently the borough up the whole avoidance saying and that was quite a big triumph ryan for me like bringing up the whole avoid and stuff because <hes> so basically i started with farah pissed and he gave me a sheet of the stuff that i wanted to work in pharisee and in the back of my head i should mention the whole avoidance saying this just is no good. It's impacting so many different parts of my life but then if i bring it up i have to kind of what i'm that essar so my avoidance self would claim to be lightened now but i did so that was like a big deal for me so i brought the whole avoidance agents saying <hes> and i wouldn't say i'm that much better but i can recognize more now when i'm being avoid now my avoidance kind of manifests in a hundred different ways the main thing being if i feel like some things incoming calls me stress anxiety i avoid like the plague these could be basic things like going to shops or trying to make new friends uh-huh or they could be more dissolved things like so for example. I have a massive fear of learning new fangs because them i've got to try and that sick searching low of energy and i didn't have a lot of energy full stop. It's not just the whole oh exerting energy thing. It's also the fair failure so i could give you an example. Let's say for example. I'm hanging out a party in the playing paying a card game. <hes> seems unreasonable. The will we'll go with that for now. <hes> i don't know the rules of the card game so i will avoid the card game like plague because i fear that i'll be outed as being stupid or inept napped at learning new things so i won't play the card game which is just bunkers absolutely bonkers so car games aside side. It's not just the whole kagame thing because that would be a very specific kind of avoidance saying learning things and pushing anything outside side of my comfort zone so i could give you like a hundred examples right now <hes> so you're listening to the coast while done appreciate you talking about the po- coast talking about stuff. That's not really mental health a tool and swim choosing mental health because it's easier to record is hard so talking about politics and then being like oh my god. I've got a half an opinion like that's that's hard so avoid that like the placate geico episodes it require more research fill me with anxiety and dread no because i'm not going to enjoy what i'm talking about. Whoever it be harvey milk by that's my probably the favorite episode that we'd <hes> <hes> just pass no reasons because he's my hero and all that ship <hes> <hes> but also because brady anxious about doing the research. What if i get the wrong research. What is life like research anything. If i can't concentrate kind of that kind of pattern thinking lease its way into my very voided nature. It's water. It's emphasis so those were stopped me from doing do things another brady good example. Is i really wanna fly to canada to see damian. He's best pow. I think he's great <hes> et cetera et cetera. We've established that already. <hes> i'm terrified of flying and i feel a net of navigating at apple so i'll i'll just get lost to now be stuck in a country. Get there at all so to kind of battle that <hes> i can be booking myself a flight to edinburgh scotland which is not u._k. But yeah you know i mean <hes> so so i can fly on my experience that if this a year ago i would have just been like right. I'm never gonna go into anything. That's outside of my comfort zone soon. As a because i'm completely like a neptune doing say on the thing is with avoidance is that it's sorry you like embedded into who you all because i've been doing this for years. I'm like completely professional kind of avoiding stuff and people not really realizing being avoidance so to actually put it out <hes> in therapy empire relationships and stuff. <hes> <hes> kind of gives me a responsibility to make a change. The author difficult thing is is kind of deciphering between what is avoidance didn't and boy is just being lazy <hes> but for me there is like the genuine genuine fa of exerting energy she and the i do not have any more energy to spare <hes> <unk> of the basic things takes me a lot more energy cheech too just because my brain space and stuff <hes> but it's kinda doing these things despite it's funny because like i have conversation conversation in my head and it's kind of like avoiding k. and mum k. so i could give you like just an example from last night so avoiding k. didn't didn't wanna floss her teeth before bad because she's exhausted and was ready to sleep. I know it's really grossly dental. Hygiene is important so the only one time went to matsu and stoke myself among cable come in and be like stepping the <unk> get an unavoidable k._o. Be like it just to an among k. would just be like all kinds or hiking. You're going to feel like crap that he gained laddy so the dow just be going on again and again and again and again throughout the day which is brady exhausting managed to tackle the whole avoidance facing with having friends and social relationships and stuff because i so completely socially inept i should like come across with <hes> yet. I don't get social cues news. Maybe from depressed <unk> miserable <hes> and i've had examples where i felt i could come across some way the torch to someone about it and like what you on about you seem perfectly fine. <hes> call you know have niche. A niche personality ability in the neighborhood is kind of like why is that why is about <hes> some trying to be kind to myself and embrace that and i have half these moments where i'm like oh yeah i'm so i'm so cool like that's great but then like a half a situation that will make me feel like shit another become avoid and again and it's really difficult to naturally make friends when you're a recluse but really really difficult. We're of i've i've gone of kind made friends but soon as you're out that situation they fade in the kind of gun in that's fine. It's just life the point it really really difficult. I find absolutely mindboggling to get my head around this whole thing with traveling so in always wants to i rent kenya when i was younger and eighteen to do some outreach work but nowadays <hes> it's a charity thing <hes> but i was in a group of people people so they were kind. Whatever kind of they were dictating where we were going in the apple. Sauce is following along but doing shit for myself. Surely is just going to help build that confidence and for me to go. You know what you're know an act. You can do these things so that's where hoping i'm ready ready hoping i can get to and i really want to make it to counter to see damian and then i wanna make it like a annual thing vice versa <hes> it's really important to me and the idea of going to canada or just traveling. Gem really excites me. It's like yeah. It'll be a main saying. I have the money to do it. Nothing is stopping me in reality riddy apart from a few. What's what commitments what commitments but i could struggled as around if i wanted to so so it's just this fear in my head account i can't i can't do it so it's far easier to avoid and take situations like traveling for example sample off the table then to break it down and go right. What do i need to know to be able to do this. People travel all the time nine people that don't know the language like thank places. It's fine. I'll be fine but i can keep telling myself this but the fairest same by show late sometimes in life you just do things like fear despite the fair because it's an eight hour flight canada his raining any not tell people fly on planes all the time most times day. It's raining vikto. Doesn't there's a lot of things other things avoid in about good. This was like to look into my therapist so labor again so going out unless it's absolutely necessary so going to shops <hes> going to social gatherings going out <hes> komo london snowfall may brighten snowfall for me to say es and the you know what london is but brian's like a smaller city in the u._k. There's art galleries galleries says gigs cafes and restaurants and stuff. Yes i can't do it will the bloody time because i'm not reg the because that's exciting being extra energy and it's gonna make neon shis i void rather than having like a fulfilling fu rounded lies allies whereas you know year ago kind of accepting the fact that i'd never travel on my own or the. I never tried to date like yikes. That's an napa side of in itself but at least i try it like i tried maybe go strung along a beer or will a wise across different messages last experience and i tried <hes> before wouldn't even put myself out the x. meeting. Thank someone name and then having to get to know me is so much after so much energy and it causes anxiety but at least i'm doing that now. We're trying trying to do it but it's the same of anything i sit around all the time go ooh. I'm so bloody miserable. I'm not doing anything with my life not going anywhere and it's like yeah because you're not doing anything. You're not having life experiences <hes> so if you didn't know i'm i'm a musician <unk> home. I can't even say i'm a musician. I'm a songwriter and for the longest time i avoided that <hes> it's probably like the driving force in my life that brings me joy in give me purpose and makes me want to fall into the abyss but for free is as i avoided it because i was in a relationship with someone who told me i was shift so the idea of picking up the guitar filled me anxiety royalty and you know what if i am sure whereas now i'm writing. I'm trying. I'm failing something. I think is good and then it's really ready fucking shit but i get put off by the anymore if not make sense like joe you i don't see it is something that has to hold me back. I have this massive locomotive sponsor. Kinda guy tried a failed old <hes> but that's good at least are tried and it's gonna make me about to songwriter. No everything is magically fantastic. <hes> and it's the same doing gigs and was like what if i suck like going up been gigging for years going back to and it's like yeah you might suck like one of my. I just forgot the cold to like a chorus of a song and was like <hes> afterwards. I focused on a little bit. I shouldn't perform live. I'm excetera such a but avoiding i-isn't gonna make me any bets and actually in reality. It was one little fumble symbol as part of a set though was good say you've got a you've got a pick and choose council. You've got to pick and choose you'll moments of when to be critical age living co clouds and think you're amazing but avoiding something that is difficult. What make you happy you just be kind of living in this weird gray area or just not ready about that life. I'm not really about like what is the <hes> trying to think of the word. Mantra insure no conclusion. We'll say conclusion conclusion of my long story of avoidance just you you know be uncomfortable. It is okay to be uncomfortable most of the time you're not going to die when you're uncomfortable comfortable emotion the incumbent monday you just have to watch that feeling kind of paul's and if it doesn't pass that's fine too because otherwise kawais in your life is never gonna progress. You're going to be in this kind of completely despondent position of just la la my really wanna lift kind of gray life anymore but it's funny because i i talked today you mean about my avoidance because we are both equally very avoided people in quite different ways. Maybe we'll do a podcast about some point. Maybe not maybe we'll be to avoid voided today to coast about it <hes> but he can sparta out and he'll be like being voided and sometimes it's just annoying. It's just a poke at me but of a times ago oh shit somebody knows about my avoidance. I've been found out now. One of my biggest bits of advice is if you put in your life a name think you're happy just kind of living in this weird mcrae area. Tell them you're not be like hey. I enjoyed going to the cafe. I don't know trying to think of an for example but i avoid going to the cafe. <hes> sick you invite me out to the cafe doesn't mean i don't want to go to the cafe it means. I'm being avoided so i'll smith question. Are you just being avoided and then if you're ready good avoidance would tell them you're being void in anyway well. I hope you light this episode with just list load me <hes> and if he did cool great i'm glad you did because because i just feel like i'm talking to into the abyss iso bit with just talking. I should like my cameras should be on sawyer should be recording some some some sort of youtube video. I compete of it not because i'm avoided just because a copy of it <hes> sia. If you'd like this costs subscribe if you haven't and <hes> <hes> we are available on older things <hes> were patron at neuro divergent <hes> on instagram at narrow divergent put cost and you can can find me at at by polo park on youtube instagram and twitter and you can also find my music you say at youtube come forward slash k music or amongst facebook as well actually <hes> facebook dot com forward slash k. music u._k. You can't see me but i'm late. Squinting my is trying to remember <hes> euros. I feel like episode and take care if you're avoiding think about it since he can make a change by.

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These fixes really need to go into PlayStation 5  (The Daily Charge, 3/19/2021)

The 3:59

14:27 min | 3 months ago

These fixes really need to go into PlayStation 5 (The Daily Charge, 3/19/2021)

"Support for this. Podcast comes from progressive. What would you do with an extra eight hundred dollars. Buy a plane ticket. Pay down your student loan. Treat yourself to those shoes. You've been benign with progressive. You could find out drivers who switch and save save an average of seven hundred ninety six dollars on car insurance get your quote online at progressive dot com and see how much you can be saving national average annual car insurance savings by new customer survey to save with progressive in two thousand nineteen. The playstation five is amazing. If you can actually find one but it's not perfect and we've got a few recommendations for fixes that saturday's next generation console needs jamie. This is your daily charge here to offer his critical. Take on the. Ps five is seen that editor and gaming expert. Dan ackerman welcomed and k there. So the ps five piece of junk. You know people still knock each other over the head to get to their computers when the is going to be you know some some stock online somewhere so demand is high. People still want it. I've pretty vacant. It's it's probably one of the smoothest. Overall console launches germs of the hardware. That i've covered going back twenty years. That said you know there's a there's a bunch of things that still bother people. And i think that's becoming more obvious. Is we get four or five. Six months out of people have time to sit with the hardware and get acclimated to its successes also limitations. Yeah let's let's get into that. Is and i know you've got a story out today. That sort of run through some of the fixes. It needs a start up things. What is your biggest pet peeve with. Ps live i think the biggest problem everybody has once they managed to get one of these is the limited onboard storage. Now you have a nice sized solid state. Hard drive in there Modern consoles you think about a terabyte as being the average after all the system installed stuff and everything you get about seven hundred gigs of space. But there's two problems there number one. Modern games are very big. Forty gigs sixty gigs. Call of duty games are over a hundred. You know they get really big so you don't have that much to them and unlike some previous generations of consoles. It's not that easy to just stick another hard drive in there or plug in external drive in. They've done some some basically. Dram limiting whereby you can store and play he s four games from an external drive but not ps five games so that becomes a very intense limiting factor when you have a big library because every game is downloaded. Now i know anybody. Who's even if you get a game on a disk and you have the disc version of the ps five. It's still sucking all data off the disk get all the patches and everything and eating that much room on your hard drive. Doesn't actually playoff them. Physical disk so for folks who run like who want to buy a lot of games like once you hit that limit like what do you do you just uninstall certain games or the work around the limits there like how does that work. Especially if you don't have the option expandable memory. Yeah you delete games and then if you want to go back and play later download you've bought them digitally you own the games. But it's not like netflix. Where you stream stuff from the cloud and then it's just god. It doesn't matter you have to have the physical copy on your hard drive in order to play unless you're doing cloud gaming which is a whole 'nother category. That microsoft is stepping into the sony. He's actually been into for years in in its own way or you could just get an external drive format and then you could put all of your older games on there which is great. But it's not the same as being able to truly expand your storage next. I think especially today with the size of games where we're game developers. Publishers don't feel broadband at home. They don't feel limited and they feel free to say. Oh here's a five gigabyte patch just to play today after. You've already downloaded fifty gigs. That's the onus on you as a consumer to figure out where to store all the stuff right right which is real problem. If you can't get that expandable storage you hit to this a little bit with the with cloud gaming And this was one of your other issues and this is pace playstation plus and how it does or doesn't up to xbox game pass which is the rival cloud gaming service. So how does that work out. It gets we're bringing era now. We're getting just so increasingly complicated. Because there are mythic style subscription services at also offer online services that frankly should be included these game consoles just because you own them and then there were also cloud gaming experiments were sub services similar to in videos de force now or stadia and that is where a game actually much like netflix movie sits on a cloud service somewhere and just the content of the game streams in real time i pick up by controller at press a button and button input goes up into the cloud to a server somewhere where another computer is playing the game something happens and the graphical output is sent back to my tv and in this case through the console but there are plenty of ways to other to do that through your browser or through a we'll set top box kagame used the experimental slash not terribly useful phase or templates years. It's only starting dr starting to get good now so in terms of subscription services Xbox xbox game pass which people shockingly seemed to like It's like ten dollars a month for the console version or ten dollars for the pc version or fifteen dollars a month which is a lot. But it's you know not that much compared to subscribing to netflix. Or even stadia or videos g force now. It's just a streaming platform for fifteen dollars. A mantra game pass ultimate. You've got three hundred xbox game you can play a big chunks games on your computer. Some of them. You can cross play like you could just pick up a game on your on your xbox event go to your computer and pick it up there. If you have a compatible device you can play a lot of these games on x. Cloud which is the pure cloud streaming version of and right now that's restricted to the android devices but there'll be a browser based version very soon which basically means in a work on anything and you have the restrictions of five gaming. There were battery. The resolution is not assigned. I also get the ea play in that. Which is as version of a library of games and xbox gold which basically they're saying you can play games online which gets should be included with everybody. Some sony has their own version called playstation plus and for years it was the rough equivalent of the xbox gold. Say you get a couple of games amongst which are okay. They have a playstation plus collection. Which is a little catalog of fifty games or so for. Ps five owners. And it's good stuff like god of war and the original last of us remastered and that's cool and all but that's that's about it. The the the offering is much smaller. They do have a cloud based thing called playstation now but i feel like that has not that has not shown itself in the same way to be viable cloud gaming alternative. It's actually based on one of the very very earliest cloud gaming providers which was guy Which sony bought now twenty thirteen. Or so and i and they base their cloud gaming technology. Originally that so if you want to do cloud gaming on playstation and also get a catalog game two by two separate subscriptions gotcha so why don't why don't we move on because we get into this rabbit hole with a cloud gaming and another episode. Frankly while you to some of the other issues you brought up one of them a bit here. A lot about is control drift. What is control draft in. What exactly is going on with these controllers surprise. I'm hearing so much about it now because it's always been an issue for gamepads because game heads are all built on the same technology. Which is the same technology that arcade sticks are built on and they're all built on the same office parks the springs of the potentia meters and the and the little sticks. They all come from a handful of factories and frankly they have a limited shelf life. You move the stick around him the circle or back and forth so many times adventure. It'll start to wear parts and start to wear out. It won't track as accurately so drift is when you're not touching the stick. You're still kind of moving to the left where you're still kind of moving to the right and we had a lot of that joy con controllers for for the nintendo switch over the last couple of years and i thought that was largely because number one the joy contra pretty plastic at not super sturdy feeling edgy to people were really beat them up. I mean they would go there so small and people would get really aggressive with them or kids. Were getting really aggressive with them. So i could see that happening so a lot of people are complaining about controller drift on d do send controller for the playstation fide. I had not experienced it myself yet. But it's it's an issue that's out there and fix it. Did a tear down to the controllers that he said. Yeah it's the same stock springs parts and everybody else you know. After a certain number of game hours you can expect a certain amount of drift and there's some software fixes that can compensate for that. But eventually you may have to replace your your controller or if you're handy unscrew it and replace the spring inside of something which is probably beyond most people. Despite the fact that people complaining about it. I mean. I know that old xbox wander before the xbox three sixty controllers are geico. Rose you do. They had a lifespan of a couple of years. You'd have to replace them. So i feel like it's not the it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. I'm surprised though that after four or five months people having that problem with ps fav. Well the other issue have is with the the size which bigger usually better right now. I thought we were trying to make all the technology smaller phone screens which keep getting bigger. So something's better bigger better smaller. Everybody knows the. Ps five is kind of a statement. Piece is huge. It's an speak white obelisk. I think it looks very cool. It just doesn't fit in most living room hardware that people have for their for their home entertainment electronics case that i tried to walford on any of the shelves. Lets you know physically move the shells further apart. I think it's about fifteen inches and change tall. If you use a little stand that you're supposed to use it's closer to sixteen sixteen inches of clearance. Plus you want some extra space for venting heat considerations. That's kind of a lunch. The xbox series x fits in a lot more spaces and frankly it's the same volume if you measure it by chew begins both at four hundred forty cubic inches. It's just the shape is so different. One is a a black box. That's about twelve inches tall. The other one is just kind of spread out wide and wavy. And i think it's a cooler designed. I understand how thought practical for a lot of people definitely and we already know about the supply constraint issues in whether you could actually one but you spent a couple of months with this thing. Now we've been fairly critical of the ps five. But i'm just curious if there are any issues positive or negative or things that surprise you after spending so much time with the past five. I think that both the ps five and the xbox series x to focus on the five year because it's more of a pure gaming console. I'd aside from the things that we've talked about. Which are you know. I wish i had a bigger hard dry. There's some there's some subscription services don't offer the same value was the other guys but in terms of the operating system and the hardware and the the graphics capabilities the fact that there have not been a lot of major bug fixing updates. Salon is frankly one of the cleaner council lodges. I've seen going all the way back to the dreamcast. In one thousand nine hundred ninety eight or whenever it was i. i've really experience. Every generation of consoles that launched. There was a huge number of day. One you all my gosh remember. The xbox three sixty i think it had Almost one hundred percent failure rate on that first generation of consoles. Especially you know the old red ring of death. The two of those they had to recall or replace every single launch console so so compared to that or other gender the xbox one the needed a lot of software patches early on that a lot of us so i think this has been actually a very clean very healthy launched cycle And the fact that we're talking about. I wish i could use the extendable hard drive. There's actually it's interesting inside the ps five. If you pop. Open the cover. Which i'm not saying you should do but if you did there's an there's an end to slot inside which is thought where you could put a very fancy fast kind of hard drive so clearly. It's intended for some sort of internal expandable storage and you can go by these drives right now. The problem is the flight is not activated. So if you the it's not gonna work it's actually not going to boot up. It's going to say you have a foreign object that the slot please take it out and recruit your ps five so we know something is coming and the rivers have said. Oh this summer they'll have their own hard drives you but i'd rather be able these all instead of having to buy proprietary right. Well thanks for your time you can check out a story. Seeing that dot com. If you have any questions hit us up on twitter at the chart or for direct text semesters for me heading to see natsios slash daily charge. Everybody would you heard. Please scranton rates podcasts. It really helps out with david. Charter murder jane thanks listening. You think you've seen some you haven't seen nothing yet your come all the smoke. Maybe smoke matt. Bronze stephen jackson talking about life culture. We put the power in the players. Hand want to get into conversation. Chris oh these goodbye. He'll over. Air will all major podcast platforms.

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034  Take-Aways of Essen Spiel 2019

Nerdlab Podcast

33:47 min | 1 year ago

034 Take-Aways of Essen Spiel 2019

"Hello Fellow Adventures and welcome back to the lab where where we can form our gaming passionate into incredible game designs and learn Halter nerd like a boss. My Name's Marvin and I'm an ambitious game designer on Mike. West took develop a cooperative fantasy card game for this podcast. My vision is to take you with me on this exciting journey together. We will explore the secrets of different game mechanics mechanics and reach the next level as a game designer today. I have a slightly different show again after I was at essence Byu two thousand nineteen last week I I wanted to share my experience of that unique trade fair with you today. There were so many impressions it really took me a few days to process all of them. But now I'm ready to share my highlights with you first of all a few numbers about the fan this year. The fair took place for the thirty. Seventh time. And the organizers Organiz US I talked to during the told me that they have the feeling that there were even more visitors this year than last year's and the feeling was correct. Essence is the world's largest gaming fair which This year for the first time had more than two hundred thousand visitors just as the reverence difference last year. They were something around one hundred. Eighty thousand people so I already talked about the growth rate in the industry and it pretty much the same name with the fair where twenty percent more people are visiting this year than the last year and the same is true about new games because more than one thousand five hundred new games were presented at the fair on an area of about eighty thousand square meters and according to the trade fair operators this year were for an extremely large number of expert games among them So Games with a higher complexity which are aimed at experienced players the exhibitors abattoirs were distributed in six different halts which were also see medically subdivided at least to some degree. For example there was a hall All around the topic of tabletop gaming with war him as a flagship company in the middle of the whole And there was another hall for for all the Children Games and Family Games for example as you can probably Magin from the number of visitors. I told you the fair was really crowded. We were there on Saturday the fullest day of them. All and you could tell that immediately repacked on a parking lot number ten I'm far away from the fan directly at the motorway. But even this parking lot was already quite Arrived and in the shuttle bus to the fair pair. We realized then that would become very crowded. Day with many many people around us after we spend almost half an hour in The traffic jam with shuttle bus we arrived at the fair and made it pretty much Just in time to be there when the doors opened and and the fair itself it also was really crowded but it wasn't as if they were extremely long queues everywhere at most booze. You had to wait until the table was free. But that usually only took fifteen minutes or so until The current game that someone was playing over and that is actually the good thing about the fair. It's not only about watching or buying games. You can also really try them out on site and my goal was is to test a lot of games especially the ones I had on my list for quite a while so I wasn't really too much into all the new shiny games sir. I really wanted to play some of the older games that I have the chance before to play them. In the end I was able due to play seven different games at the fan at that day. And I'm quite satisfied with that because The most of the games were really good and playing games. Some of the day is some. It's quite a number of and playing. So many games was only possible because of the booth had really good staff who explain the rules and because we have played a few rounds of each of the Games and didn't finish them. It helped a lot to get the games explained by someone So we were able to start quickly and this was really a welcome alternative to always having to read the rules like you have to to do at home and while playing I was more interested in trying out games and collecting the ideas and not so much about the whole experience from the game and I think this is an attitude that you should take them because all the volume and the infinite number of impressions and the noise around you. It's really hard to create the same kind of atmosphere during a game that you know from your kitchen table at home so the gaming experience is different. And you shouldn't go to the fair with the attitude. Did you dove playing a comfortable session With beer and chips for example okay. Then let's talk a little bit about the games that we were able to play the family as I mentioned most of them weren't all the latest games on the market but rather some game that I had already long on my list. We started in hall six and probably the third or fourth exhibited. We passed the dark souls games boost and in the end. I have to say they had probably probably the most elegant way of testing their Kart game. They had a standing table where you could play one or two rounds of the game and a teacher who quickly explain the rules. Within ten minutes we were able to get a nice overview of the game from my perspective each booth should have a standing table with a predefined bar state to explain the game in less than ten minutes. I know it is a different experience than building your entire deg on your own and experience the whole story and so for but for me. That was exacly what I was looking for understanding the game. See if some of the mechanics interesting enough for me and my own designs to dive deeper into the game later on the dark. Souls Card game is A cooperative game aim for one to four players we with two players and each player starts with the hero and the starter deck for that hero. In our case we played two or three browns of the game with night and a saucer. The Blair decks contain different cards such as weapons armour and a lot of stamina. Kurt's Mon that some cards in a second. This debt can of course you will over time as you find more treasurer and exchange the soles of your enemies he's for news dominant cards and The deck also represents the character's health. So you can more or less. Draw as many cards as you want. But you really have to consider Not to die. In the beginning we then placed our hero card on cred based combat area And and then played a short encounter against enemies in order to use and equipment card to perform attack. You must discard one. Oh more stomach. Cut Costs The cost for the attack or defense are specified on the equipment cod. The stomach arts come in four different kinds by large aikens on the carts and the four types are Dick's charity faith intelligence and strength and and to perform an action you simply had to discard in the mount of stamina equal to the actions stemming our cost and then you resolve the action sometimes times the equipment was lost when you used it and sometimes it could be used more than once so it stayed on the table we only played a few rounds saw. Oh I cannot really say too much about the combat system itself but for me it felt okay but it wasn't something special. That really stood no doubt one problem I had with it was that all the actions held exactly the same way Strike with assault felt exactly the same same like casting a spell because all attack and defense types were initiated by discarding cards so it felt always you do perform the same type of action you always have to discard cards from your hand. I would have preferred to see some kind of different mechanics here for the different types. What I liked was how? The opponents behaved Even if we just saw only a little bit of that when the enemies activate they each performed the action shown on their cot which is usually attacking singer character on a specific slot on the cred that means their behavior is Somehow preprogramed and printed on the card however if there is no character in that space they are targeting the enemy attacks the the character with the highest taunt value in the target row and if there are no correct in that row the enemy tags the character with the highest taunt value in the other the role they all need to rose in the game that means they always take someone and you can move your heroes accordingly to protect weaker heroes And they will also different tech types such as heavy attacks a precise or magical attacks and some enemies weaker against some specific attack types But that wasn't really of any meaning in our test run but I'm sure it. It is important for the game. If you play the entire game so as the summary I would say the game was fun to play and I would like to play again. I really liked the The behavior of the enemies I know they were pre predefined and really deterministic. Bud that was that created some kind of not really a puzzle but strategic Decisions that you need to take in order to Kill the enemies with the least amount of resources so without without the least amount of cards from your deck so this was was interesting and I think the game has potential and it was looking for games with Combat on a credit based system. Anyway so I was quite happy to to find one at the three third or fourth booth I went by the the game you played next was when Pyre the turnover struggled collectible card game from Richard Garfield from one thousand nine hundred ninety four. No one one of US had ever played the game before I guess it was some kind of new expansion. We played but since it was the first time of us for us to play the game it all. It didn't really matter. The Nice guy started to explain the rules and I immediately realized how complex the game is. We had immense problems blooms to understand the game and for every card we wanted to play. We had to ask or a teacher if this is a move that is allowed or not. We miss triggers on the stack and possibilities possibilities to play reaction cards and then everyone of us has at least twenty years of magic together experience. I really was surprised. Just how long it took us to understand the core mechanics of the game. I just looked up the weight rating of the game on board Game Geek and was surprised is that it is only read with three point. Three five or five which is only a medium rating. The game was recommended to me several times for example for its twist on multiplayer rules. We played some kind of left attack. Where you're left neighbor is your pray? And you're right neighbor is your Predator and the Nice twist that we experienced during the game was the fact that you can more or less redirect attack that means means the Predator is not attacking U. S.. He intended but your prey instead which is beneficial for you. In addition to that the game also has some political boats in it But we didn't really see them during our test. Mitch we got our decks as a gift. And I'm I'm sure we will play the game again at home but I'm still afraid Of the rules because the complexities quite high of the game and and we do not have a teacher anymore and have to read the rules on our own again. One reason why I think the game is so complicated is because of its Iki- and there are a lot of icons on these cards. I think they're at least seven eight nine ten items on each card and they are not distinct enough they they all look pretty much the same. They're only second why they have the same form they do. Not Use really different colors so it is really difficult to due to see what kind of I can is represented on each card in the future. I'm pretty sure I will try to make an episode on how to design icons for your games. But I'm not an expert on. That would probably need need an expert to interview but this topic. I will dive deeper into the future. What I really liked about the game was How it handed the the resources? Because you had to a pool of Platt Tokens and you needed so SPLO- Tokens to To summon one of your your vampires. And then these tokens were not lost. They became the life life of your of your empire and you always had to To manage those blood tokens. They went from the pool to your personal poo due to the On the cards and Infield quite right how was implemented so not more to say about the game. At the moment I will have to play. I had more before I can do. A deep dive analysis on it but I'm sure we will played in our gaming croup once we had the time to read through the entire routes. What's the suck game? We played was New Expansion all of the deck building game ascension. The expansion is called Scouts and sailed and it adds ship And raiding to the Kagame me fuck more or like a pirate themed expansion. We played later short round and we lost a relative large distance against our teacher. The game was fun but a little bit too easy for my personal taste. It only has a weight off to on board Game Geek which isn't bad? But I prefer a bit more complexity in my my tech. Boom essential self is a pretty simple deck bill. You A quiet cards from marketplace. And these cards grant you victory points which in the end Decide who wins the game. The expansion adds these little ships which you can use to move around the map to get some advantage and you get this advantage. If you are next to card you want to buy from the marketplace because you anchor next next to Carter and Ankara is also the keyword that we're looking for this fouled a little bit well unnatural and to me and it felt I'd like was attached to the game and not really deeply Integrated in the card game rules and I didn't really into didn't really interact to to with the rest of the game am however it felt like a smooth deck builder but I didn't really really Like the theme of moving around with the ship's here so essentially says is a pretty good game and I'm pretty sure that the other expansions are good but I wasn't too impressed. From the from the ships they will for example a mechanic called rating in which you were able to steal steal treasure from one of your opponents while this is the end definitely fits to the game. I was missing some kind off for possibility to protect against it as a player. But there was nothing you can do about it if you had The most dry in the game you typically got raided from all the other players and well I would have loved at least some kind of possibility to do something against it for example building a strong armada of ships or something like that but There wasn't any after the game. We took a bit of a prey. We had some lunch We saw Tom Vessel. And had the ability to talk to Isaac Children's the designer of gloom haven who had already his appearance on the podcast. What caused and probably will be a guest in the future again and then we moved onto the next game And that game mm-hmm Waas saucer from white without games and I really liked the game so we play to play a game which which was a pity we would have loved to play with three or four players by I can see why they prepared the to play variants of the game So that more different different people were able to try out the game at the start of the game we had to build our own decks. That sounds complex if you think about magic for for example but it was actually quite easy. Each player was building a unique saucer addict by combining one of the four available character decks with one of the four lineage decks and one of the four domain Dick's each pile came with ten different cards Which added up to thirty card deck the character cards determine who you are? The linear carts represent the style of magic US news and the domain deck determines the training your head and the kind of followers you have each of the three decks also comes with a skew card that you place in front of you. They are always active And these scorecards give you special abilities that you can use during the game together together your skill cards also show your full character name which is kind of NEAT For example you might be our. ESPN's the Dimona largest all the outcasts. Sanctuary the game place over several rounds and eat Ron Players alternate by spending actions. As far as I remember we had six or seven actions per round And what I really really liked is the way you can use those actions actions You can use an action to play a spell. For example you can use an action to draw heart all you can use the action to gain AINU energy which is more or less monarch that you need to activate spells and costs belts and to play minions all you could play a minion for for example with an action and I really enjoyed having the freedom to choose what I want to do. With my turn Arkham horror. All the card game has a similar a model and I like these action based systems very much. The game also comes with three different battlefields And when you play minue must decide on which battlefield you want to play it It will only be able to fight and use abilities in that specific perfect battlefield and if you later decide you needed some wells you can spend action to move it from one battlefield to enable battlefield after all player than have performed the actions the minions fight And they fight by. Rolling battled is equal to their attack value and the dice. Show the amount of hits and wounds that you do to your opponents and taking minion thereby can damage or destroy other minions and If they are no millions they can conquer the battlefield and if you conquer tool three battlefields you win the the game. The game was very technical. Because you always had to react on what your opponent was doing you were able to enchant your minions able to enchant Chandi millions of your opponent And you re to Zaid which kind of battlefield you want to put your minions on you want to try ride to conquer battlefield. That is empty at the moment. Or you want to protect The better field. Your opponent has deployed his minions to it was really nice. It felt very very good and it was by far my best gaming experience on the entire Rachel. The reason for that is probably because the game uses all of the ESPN. I really like about gaming. action selection Qods dies and had a lot of technical depth after after that we played the newest expansion of Seven Wonders Seven Wonders Amada And the game at S- also ships was to the game. I don't know why so many game expansions are currently adding ships to the game. I have no clue. Maybe that was just a coincidence. But I also didn't like the expansion too much. Maybe I'm just not the the C ship Amara Guy I don't know In seven one does the amax pension at a new naval bart to the game on which you manage different kinds of ships Rhett WanNa Corinne clean. Want a yellow one and the blue one and every time you play one of your cards you can spend resources to move that respective respective ship forward for example. If you play Green Card you can spend. I don't know Some gold and wood to move your queen ship a a little bit forward and yes these ships at a lot of Additional interaction action between the players to the game which is actually not a bad thing but I don't know I didn't really think think it is necessary to add them to the game. It adds Quite a bit of complexity and The games last longer That wasn't exactly what I was looking for the fair there to to play along again. But maybe it's exactly what you're looking for at home so that could could be could be a good thing for people that are really experienced with the game and one to have a new experience Add to the game. I really like the balance of the CAU- game in this quite easy to teach to Absolute beginners but also has a lot of depths for for more experienced players. And and I really loved that there are multiple ways all from scoring victory plans and to win the game at the end with the expansion A lot of interaction is et. This comes with a bit of complexity as well and it gives you a new tactics and new strategic decisions which at the end is not really what is he's needed when you play the game for the first time so for beginners. I would recommend to play the game But if you are experience as I said and you might enjoy the new tactics and strategic decisions that you can add with Amanda to the game but I personally prefer to add that additional additional tactics and complexity to the cards that drafted and not to a separate board that you have to manage but that is only my personal impression. I have seen a lot of good reviews for this expansion as well. Unfortunately we were not able to finish our game so I wasn't able to see how the the ships and the Amada really effected the scarring at the end of the game. So maybe my My a review here is not Does Not Represent a full blown experience of the entire pension so chest to chest that we had to leave because as we Had An appointment with another game we were able to gather one of the few slots For A game from missed wall and and this was at a specific time slot so when we entered the the fair we walked by the booze of these Kumbang of this company which was at hall six and there were these incredible good-looking RPG tabletop hybrid game And we were asked if we want to make an appointment for a slot in the evening and we of course did and then we were able to play a four player round and of this game afterwards but that was also the reason why we had to leave from From the seven wonders game. I don't actually know I know the name of the game we played. I know that it's produced by missed wall Spanish company but I can't remember the name of that even told us the name. What was special about the game was that there was a latch? TV in the middle of the table and everyone chose a character represented by a small miniature and Then we played a little role playing game on that TV by placing or miniatures on the TV the end the TV recognized the miniatures and there was a small crowd based system on the TV and story that was driven forward. All what's by US moving on the table so it fed little bit but like playing Baldur's gate on with real miniatures and that was digitally support and everyone also had his player a mad with different cards. For example and some small coins joins representing Monopole Johns and health potions and other things and when it was your turn you had to put so cards on the on the TV or these coins on the TV to determine your action that you're he will should perform and the to be recognized that this for example Sawada fireball card. And then you had to choose The targets the opponents by pressing them a little bit Down on the TV TV and then the action was performed and in any viable was shown on the TV. It felt really great. I really I love the experience because it was sound support and Every player was able to read the story in his own in pay because it was shown in the con of the TV for each of the four players. And you were able to press forward whenever you are you ready this also also really well implemented But you could see that all of the game was was a prototype was still a prototype. There were some some Mina in a box here and there but the experience felt really really good and and we. We left a lot of constructive feedback and I'm really looking forward to to see more these kinds of games in the future because And just a fan of of digital games as an bought games alike. And I'm I'm still waiting for good implementation that Mary's the best parts of both of both worlds. I I have no clue what this game actually will cost at the end. And if you have to buy the entire system or if you can use your own tablet or pc to play late. I have no clue And I don't know when the game will be on kickstarter But if you're interested you should probably with the website of missed wall because Yeah the game look really promising for me and that also the last game we played on the fair and Then we went back home to the apartment we rented for for this night and play two rounds of a magic draft them unto onto late in the night so as a conclusion. I can say we lot of fun at the s spew. Two thousand nine hundred nine but they were also some some things which I didn't like too much First of all there are many many people and lot of impressions and this can be very overwhelming. Wilmington so Yeah I next time I I would probably go earlier. I'm so on Thursday. Maybe SMABY SMABY I. At least I have the hope that would be less people running around them. Something that I really didn't understand this The price of the Games that you were able to buy them. I came to Lafayette with the Intention to buy three or four specific games and the new executive which games I wanted to buy but all of them more expensive than in the Internet. That really surprised me. I was thinking there was a special discount for the fair or at least some additional bonus content that I would get But neither was the case. Yes and so I didn't buy the Games Someone told me afterwards that we in Germany have probably the best market for football games. That means that in other countries some of the Games are not even available to buy or more much more expensive to buy so so maybe this is something that especially for Germany that our games are cheaper here in the Internet but I was at least surprised. And that was the reason why it didn't by any games there. Another thing that wasn't to crate was Um that we were not able to experience the whole Fair With our entire group. We went there with seven people and yeah it wasn't possible to play anything together Yeah probably this. This was not Not a surprise at all but we separated in the beginning and yet we we see each other sometimes during the day but we we didn't really had a had an experience Altogether nevertheless we had a lot of fun doing that One day for the next year I I plan to go there Maybe two or three days to be able to play more games and to be able to talk to more people want to Talk to Mav the designers that are there. Yeah I want to attend to the Panels a little bit more and stuff like that. I wasn't able to do this year. So that's that's it for the show. Today it was a different one. I wanted to share this experience with all of you and next week we will be back to our normal schedule with an interview or a deep dive into a game mechanic. I

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Flexa SPEDN Bitcoin at Whole Foods / Bakkt News / eBay Crypto Update / Microsoft DID Bitcoin

The Cryptoverse

20:48 min | 2 years ago

Flexa SPEDN Bitcoin at Whole Foods / Bakkt News / eBay Crypto Update / Microsoft DID Bitcoin

"All righty, then guys. Welcome back to the cryptovest with me, your host risk Oni. Okay. I'll just out with it. I love -solutely. No hot proof for this whatsoever. But it's almost as if the price pumps in the crypto space and the news release is a rule out officially coordinated. We've had good news stories coming out encrypted for the last year. We didn't cause priced pumps. But the news coming out right now, he's unusually huge and the price poems that was in her neutrally huge as well. Now, let's not salad grapes. Because they got wrecked in short trade. I still don't have a good entry for that. So that's an entirely separate topic. But Harris some of the unusually big news stories that have come out all at once. So we've already dealt with these rumors about EBay getting into crypto did that yesterday. The only thing new have to say about this is that the Russian alpha EBay getting into crypto is to allow its marketplace to be used to buy and sell digital collectibles. Now. What that would be exactly what I would expect EBay to do if they will get into. Crypto. I'm thinking back to the first time. I even head the word EBay. It was when I used to collect the Star Trek, customizable, Kagame. And there was this one guy at the club into cold. Mock who always seemed to be able to get all the red caused that he needed like to complete his sets and so on and then one night is estim- where did you get all these red cards from and he set the wood EBay, and actually I remember when he said that an image flashed in my mind, all the ABI each, you know, obey like not an that was a wet had never even head before. I didn't know where EBay was. But in my mind, it was a place like a beach. You know, a nice sandy beaches. And so on EBay Sanei EBay going back to its roots and becoming a marketplace for digitally, tokenist, collectibles, and game items is kind of nostalgic for me and his rights in alignment with that brand. So I actually do do this wouldn't be a stretch for them. And it would be a big boost for critique or at large. Next story. Big one Microsoft of decided they're not scared of open Blockchain's. And then building an identity solution on bitcoin. So an identity verification platform. Now, this is not the closed source perfectionist or protectionists Microsoft from the nineteen eight thousand nine hundred ninety s this is the Microsoft with Sutton Adela at the helm CEO when he took over two thousand fourteen Microsoft has been you know, you can you could I could feel his DNA in in in Microsoft, since then it's the best Microsoft we've ever had in my view so Facebook religiously building their own token, maybe their own blockchain Microsoft on the other hand going the opposite direction that building on bitcoin. Now, the second paragraph of this article, I found in bitcoin magazine, it does an excellent job of giving a concise description of what this is. So it says announced on may thirteenth two thousand nineteen project. I own I o. Oh, n is. An open source layer two network built out of the public key infrastructure cold side. Tree nine practice is quote here. It is akin to the lightning that wig in. There is no secondary consensus among I o nodes close quote says a source close to the networks development team told that to bitcoin magazine, and they said this is like bitcoin book for ID's. So this is very very interesting. So this idea of a d I d a decentralized ID did a did decentralized ID. So this is created by submitting a bitcoin transaction and unchain transaction and paying the normal transaction fee. However, once that's done and the date was recorded in the bitcoin blockchain you can. Then the log in slash authenticate yourself, simply by creating a signature with the same private key. Right. And the. He incurs no transaction fee. So only when you want to date, the state of your decentralized ide-, would you be required to submit a new bitcoin transaction and pay another feet because you're updating the data in the ledger. So this is where it's rather. It's powered by the bitcoin up Reten feature which is where a bitcoin transaction allows you to include a small amount of text, which can be structured to mean, something to an extent system. So as far as the bitcoin network goes, it's just text in text failed at means nothing. But the system reading that data can interpret it so you restrict to that text to mean something when you pull out later now, what's interesting about Microsoft solution. As that you'll be able to include all your digital ID's INA single transaction as far as I can tell. So it's not like you have to submit one transaction foot each of your ID's. You can stick them all in a single schema, which is kind of being a good steward of the resources. Now intensive adoption. The fact that this is a Microsoft solution means the doors already open to many potential integrators. In fact, the last paragraph gives us a clue about this is as a coding to the announcement. A handful of companies have shown Ailey interest in running. I on nudes, including bitcoin hardware and security fem Kasa, data, datacenter equinox and internet security company cloudflare neglect, flare up salutes, huge. So this is like mind blowing stuff and then yesterday out of the new the blue out of the news out of the blue this story broke. This is all across the cryptocurrency space bluff chosen the coin. Telegraph article backed to roll out fast bitcoin futures testing in July of two thousand nineteen now this isn't actually what people think it is though in reality back to still in the same situation. It was less week before this news came out. They're still sorting out their custody solution. So they can get that regulatory approval. That's the real barrier to them launching so yes, great use a testing and all that that has to be done anyway. Right. But even if that successful until we see a headline that says regulators give back to the green light to launch we have to stay calm 'cause it still same situation. This this is almost like if you didn't see through if you didn't pay attention to the detail. Of course, they're gonna you use a testing, it's just it's just an excuse to publish a new story about backed as far as I can tell. So then we have some real retail adoption news, which one is this. This is a thus the bitcoin is to I want to look at the coin desk one here, it is you can now spend bitcoin at game stop bombs, enable them more. So he's actually spitting. So it says like huddle spend is the D in the N flipped around. Now. When this news story broke yesterday as someone news outlets. Go a bit carried away. And then when with headlines like Amazon owned whole foods now, accept bitcoin. On several go. I've looked at the coin. This guy called the first couple of paragraphs. He gives the gist of this says on Monday the payment processes startup, flexible announced the release of its new custodial crypto wallet Spedding, which allows users to spend bitcoin theory and bitcoin cash and g USD at a variety of brick and mortar retailers, although the mentions receive Fiat in the end the partnership enables new possibilities for people to look to spend crypto as easily as they might use Apple Pay. And thus we are entering the age of the hybrid where both digital theats and crypto currencies reside on your phone at the same time giving you the option at the checkout Welchel I'll use Apple Pay to pay with yet. Or shall I use my wallet app to pay with crypto? Now. I'm not discounting the fact that Apple Pay will inevitably launch native Sepulchre took guernseys right in the apple wallet. I mean, why wouldn't they? So Apple Pay may soon just open up your apple wallet? And you go in bitcoin, boom. So that would be a massive boost to adoption since all that complex. St. about securing them backing up your private keys that would all be visibly handled by apple in the in an apple cloud in all that and an open text by your fingerprint. So even apple wouldn't necessarily have access to your crypto private key. They could be encrypted on your device, and then just uploaded to the apple cloud for storage, Pepsi's, right? So let's calm. Usually the other interesting thing here is that one of the coins mentions can accept is the G USD which because stable, and it could keep NGO estate and in cash out by the Jimmy exchange when they wish or they could say salt that send it straight to my my Bank account in dollars. If you please. Now, check out this quote in the article about the convenience for foreigners. Whereas this is here, quote, whether whether that's a foreigner who's coming to the US and more easily able to participate in our economy or vice versa. So that's interesting. So this touches on appoint the Andrey is of the Nautilus made in one of his recent videos, where he says paraphrasing he says if I bought a plane with my credit card, am I carry in monetary units. Above ten thousand dollars say that credit card has a credit. Limit of more than ten grand. Right. I, you know, in the form you fill in are you transport in monetary units. More than ten thousand dollars you if you took your credit card in the back pocket. Transport in monetary unions of ten grand similarly, if I bought a plane with the pin number two, my hardware while it or the recovery phrase from my hot, what am I carry in monetary units above ten thousand dollars? Well, technically, the answer is no in both cases with the credit card and with the hardware wallet. Because carrying excess codes to data is not monetary units. Right carrying the monetary units themselves like gold coins. Oh cash. That's different. Isn't it? We don't transport digital money up on our person in the same way. They don't transplant money on our them when we carry a credit card in the same way that we don't carry out Email around with us, right? We might have the pass within our head. But the the g my if you like his or the proton mail is actually in the cloud. So you don't moving across the border because it is not it is that so this makes another case for my crypto forex market where we have an exchange. Where all the various Fiat stable coins trade against each other. Because that would allow me in Mexico to get my pesos stable coin and trade it for US dollars in traveled to the US spend, my US, stable coins and alderman, we go so coin de stone actually say much about the whole foods an Amazon thing, but this is the same story, and I just flashed up the bitcoin dot com article on this, but they say whole foods and other major retailers now accepting bitcoin yet, so not directly it's via this, sir. 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I recommend that you drool a Fibonacci retracement line from the all time high to the recent low, so and I said look how the price interacts with that over the next twenty four hours over the next coming days as it did night. So if we look at the triple screen him, what do we see what do we see well on the six hour job? What happened was bitcoin king down to that level? The twenty three point six level about seven thousand fifty five dollars found as nice support imbalanced higher from there actually from the bounced like thousand dollars pet coin from there, so. Yeah. Sticking with the bit mex- look at the one day whichever way you slice it when now vertically moving up, right? This power broadcast that I've been posting on Twitter recently. It's still intact. It still. Intact. It's actually getting steep. I don't know how you can get any steeper than vertical, but he seems to be happening anyway. So the next consideration is are we in an old coin cycle yet? When's that going to happen? Once once traders, investors, even speculators have confidence that the whole market is moving up will then gonna be willing to take bigger risks for big rewards, and that means old coins with high of volatility. I mean, that's really what greed kicks in. Right. So it's like look is the bitcoin gains in the foyer will traders say, no, we want to get as much money out of his bustle. So his the way to monitor the cycles is very simple way of doing it. And the way I do I glance seven trading the plot my side panel again, you can do this now or later Tyler to you. But in trading view, add these two tickets symbols to your watchlist once called total. So you what when you type a BTC, and it brings up all of the the. The cryptocurrencies have BTC in that take a simple, you just type into web total, and I've already gone in the actually might even being the index category. Yes. So when you when you type in total on trading view, you have to click the index category. Otherwise, it doesn't appear it is a crypto market cap. So total is the total market cap of old cryptos, and then the other ticket symbolise total number two with no spaces. So that's the total market cap, excluding bitcoin, and I like this because then enjoy you a candlestick shot of the market cap, including bitcoin or excluding bitcoin. So then I'll daily jot like today or actually on on the day twenty four hour view in my watch list at a glance. I can see the total market cap in actual Dulles. I could see the twenty four hour change next say the twenty four hour change as a percentage. Now, if the two indexes are up by an identical amount say say, they both show it increase of five percent on the day line. No, the new. Money has come into crypto as a whole. But also, no he's been evenly distributed between bitcoin and coins. Right. If you if you slice it like that in two categories, bitcoin coins. Now, what's been happening over the last few days as bitcoin is being going absolutely mental in double digit gains for us coupla days while that's been happening. The percentage gains for the total market cap have been higher than the old coins. Indicating that more of the new money that's flowing in is flowing into bitcoin. And now today we have a slightly different picture in the sense that as I record this the total market cap is up by four point nine five percent. But the oak on cap is about six point six five percents. Now, it's not so click what because we don't necessarily need any new money to flow into the space in in order to get an old coin cycle. Right. It could be new money coming directly to okay. Coins? Because now we've got a low of coins trading directly against the US doa, but it can happen simply when bitcoin rally bitcoin rally becomes exhausted. And then people use that high pitch sing that the bitcoin to buy old coins? And people do that in anticipation of bitcoin becoming exhausted and losing value against old coins. Temporarily so he's just the way of squeezing some extra bitcoin out of that cycle. Now case in point is X P, which is finally woken up after a long slumber. So I'm gonna look it up on the daily job. You look into this on YouTube. I'm showing here is these great big. There was the market down trend line which XL peanut actually escaped from a number actually skate from even when bitcoin came out of it. And so on and you had to over trend line down the button that it was formed. This this wedge, symmetrical triangle pattern, and it fell out of it to the downside, but he came back open again. But now it's just exploded right out of both of them, which is very very interesting. So on the day exile P is up sixteen percent. And that's only by the current price is a big head on that KENDALL. Actual tool gain for the day. If I were to measure, it myself was twenty three percent from Bolton to top from open to the hi eight's a big gain. If you ask me now, you can't see this on the podcast version book for you YouTube is out there, if I put it on my triple screen here it all happened on the one AM candle GMT, all of a sudden massive volume came in on the six hour job and. Boom owed the price went broke straight out of his symmetrical. Triangle to push excel p to a high price of nearly forty cents from an open of the open day two cents. A big boom the up either, you know, one thing I'm thinking about doing if we get an old coin cycle. He's taking the opportunity to offload Olympic crappy outgoings the app of just struggling around. Right. So as those prices get back to some way around where they were all just off load them, right and consolidate into logic cap coins theorems also approaching its next line of resistance. Let's have a quick look good. If their employees close I here, I'm gonna do daily job. Let's see. So with is a theory is next line of resistance as far as I can tell is twenty two hundred twenty dollars after on the much out. You wanna look at it. Check out YouTube video Subaru to eight to twenty would be a line of resistance in my view. And if it can break that I would say this leaves his clear to sail onto three five. Five. So don't quote me on that don't trade that within your own analysis. I'm just saying that just because it's interesting I like to play these little games of prediction without any risk on the table because then I can make predictions ever loosely without freaking out. So they we Joanie will go a thing that is all of God for you today. So please hit the like button. 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#225 Geoffrey West - Scale: The Universal Laws of Life and Death in Organisms, Cities and Companies

What Got You There with Sean DeLaney

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#225 Geoffrey West - Scale: The Universal Laws of Life and Death in Organisms, Cities and Companies

"I'm sean delaney and you're listening to what got you there. what got you. There is a must follow for entrepreneurs creatives high achievers and change makers each week. I sit down with some the world's most influential people and focus on the journey behind their success. We uncover the strategy tactics and routines. That help them get their now. Your journey so it's time to learn what's going get you there. But got today with sean delaney. What got there with sean delaney. What got their shot. The lady got got got laney. Jeffrey west is a physicist turn. Complexity theorist he is currently distinguished professor at the santa fe institute where he served as president from two thousand and five two thousand. Nine west has been listed as one of time. Magazine's one hundred most influential people in the world. He is the author of scale the universal laws of growth innovation sustainability and the pace of life in organisms cities economies and companies in his book scale. 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That's culture finders dot com jeffrey west. Welcome to what got you there. How you doing today very well. Thank you and nice to see. Beat your show. Thank you bring your phone calls of course toronto so i actually came. Cross your book scale from a guest. Michael madison and he recommended enough. And so when. Michael recommends a book He's a voracious reader and he says really intrigued him. I dove into it. I was just all over it. So this is such an honor. But i'm always intrigued about. People who sustain excellence. Do interesting things in their lives. What their backstory was like. And you've really interesting one. I heard that your mom dropped out of school by the time she was thirteen. And your father was a gambler. Any lessons learned from your father being a gambler that stuck with you throughout life. That's an interesting question I think the lesson was and maybe over reacted was Because he was a gamble For most of my growing up years Our financial fortunes were pretty unstable so And that of course a lot of stress in the family obviously and so by the lesson i learned was to be probably more cautious than i need. That is not to go that route. Then i would. I would not go the route of basically my life on on extreme risk where there is no fundamental basis. You know what i mean. That is the cost. My father dog year he studied quite seriously and he was extraordinarily smart man by the way but would seriously studied horses. Dogs understand kagame's and so on. But nevertheless i thought that Be a steady job was going to be the way i was going to make my limit so that introduced me to a much more cautious way than i made be should have been for the rest of my career because i think it took me quite a while so feel bad It's okay to sort of go outside of the box. Did a bunch of my later career has done that but it took me quite a while to feel comfortable but it's a good step but having said that it did stay going. Joe question actually stood me in very good. Stead actually in keeping A stable vision of what i wanted to do. Yeah i was gonna ask you how you handle risk because you mentioned your your career risk and you wanted to go down kind of kind of a more conservative esque path but then later in your career what you're doing within your field even outside of your field. It seems like somewhat risky. So i would love to hear your thoughts around risk. Yes so i would say. I've ever come to terms with it because None of us really do of course but and it's a ensure to judgment obviously in the end As to how much risk should take a night thing One of the things. I have learned since then is a big risk of us is somehow much worse in court a statement of course then being always safe. It's bit like you know. What is it only to bed. Early to rise makes jack healthy wealthy a boring. So it's a bit like that. I mean if you want life and eventually it becomes clear here. You're gonna have one life. It's not you know we're not practicing fan. Even this is it and some stage. You have to decide what it is. You want out of it what you want to gain why you're here what you want to contribute And and i think for me the recognition that stepping outside of the nautical boundaries Was became more and more important and in order to feel that i was living. I mean that was just for me. I don't. I don't profess that should be true for other people necessarily of the me who had been quite conservative and on my line This was refreshing and it was like a little bit not exactly throwing off the shackles but it was very liberating in many ways. And i began to realize that that was what i missed early on in my career and surprisingly right because you know must of my early career was in heinz you physics. You know coke's the and the on and I think i would have been more successful in that. Not really wasn't it was successful to some extent of course but I been more successful. had i been A little less risk of us in allowing myself to follow parkway's where i would assume think No that's just too crazy and everyone's gonna love they say a complete idiot he's gone off the data and I was very much had had by. Will the ones around me like. Call me an idiot at least twelve times a week so we can both identify with that. I'm wondering though you mentioned just finally feeling comfortable taking off the shackles was there a specific moment that led to this or was this. Just a gradual thing. You felt more comfortable say gradual. There was definitely gradual And almost certain deputies but it happened You know in spite of myself so to speak you know it. It was one of those cases where you could ascribe it to the mysteries of the unconscious. You know this. This is the image of oneself as the conscious of this other bits but is sort of helping to drive the system and not so aware and Somehow that pop was wiser of the conscious. In retrospect. I'm actually really intrigued by this. The mysteries of the unconscious. Is this something that you actively think about or at least even try to tap into a times. Yes in subways i do. I'm i'm I've always been intrigued by the psyche by the mind. Consciousness and so forth as i'm sure most bizarre in some form or another and part of that has been enhanced because i married to and had been married for a very long time to a woman who says is a union psychoanalyst. And so she's very much that way. And i died we. We have interesting arguments hogging discussions questions and But yes i i. I recognize the role of the unconscious and And and i very open to allowing intuition to play a role you know. I mean for example In a world familiar with this. Sometimes you have big decisions in your life. What job to take Do you want to make a move or one buying a house. I don't know. And what i have discovered especially the big decisions as six from the smaller. Decisions is that i am. You know since. I'm a physicist mathematical physicist. I study the details of the problem. Whatever it is sort of head to the pluses and minuses the cost of the benefits. And i it out and on small massa's like Buying even bottle vacant. I spent a lot of time during what is the best. And then i make the decision based on that but when it comes to the big decisions one of the things. I realized that by life is that yes i do Back but we're not actually make the decision. It turns out to be my intuition by unconscious that allowed to come through and often. It's one that is a nods will these calculations if you like the kind of analytic one of thinking And that is what i discovered in. My life is the Actually stood me in good stead even though and this goes to the risk question by the way even though in doing so one often fails on my god. What did i do. That was really stupid. Obviously not the right decision kind of a little bit of buyer's remorse feeling and then. Just say shrugging my shoulder and say. I'm sure it'll work out. Okay and i would say in enormous all the major decisions of my life that has proved to be the case. So there's no formula that. Of course i mean and so it's it's it's todd to You know it's hard to make that more on ticket and saying that it is intuition and the unconscious work. You're you're exactly. Do you think your conviction in the unconscious has gone up over time. After some of these decisions you said that i had a pit in your stomach feeling and they turned out to be better. And that's why you have more conviction related to something else. I think many scientists and thinkers of Experience and bad is The grappling with the problem especially conceptually grappling and trying to solve a problem Very often bud. The solution sorta seems to come out of the blue. I mean you grapple with it and grapple and then you know the you wake up one morning barrett is or you're going on a nice hike and then suddenly buoying it pops into your head in your consciousness and it's very clear to the process has been going on The joint on immediately conscious of where the brain a multiple general impulses of the structure of the your that work i don has been operating And on on still working on this issue on these issues in a way. That is very hard. Sometimes to get to consciously. I've had that experience many times. And i suddenly colleagues and friends of had similar experiences so there is something going on bail which is extremely hard to identify. Of course it brings to the fore the big question of what is consciousness and because the structure of the brain. And how does it work. What is thinking. What is buying other questions about. Which i have much more to say to be on his. You know. I always love hearing people who i believe. Have interesting thoughts articulates ideas like this. So thanks for for entertaining me there. We we started off asking about your father. And i'm actually really intrigued about you as a father because your son joshua actually ended up meddling as a rower in the olympics. What's something that you learned from joshua then about elite performance at the highest level. Gosh that's an interesting question to Yes so yes. It's quite surprising. Really because i'm i'm not nearly myself from my wife Leads some sort of professional since that. Were she suddenly. Wasn't i was very sporty as young man and my fantasies were my fantasy world beyond you know sexual activities was do sports. You know that. I would come a great football player. Or whatever and i was good at sports but i was never you know never beyond google. I could make make the team. But so so. Sports was there and out. Some joshua was Extremely was very toll resign jr and One of the great and that meant the had He was brutally uncoordinated So too big for his buddy relative to the kids the same age and this was You know. I think it was quite. It was amazing watching him Adapt to that in trying to play sports the that he would work on and and you know he so playing soccer or hockey for example. What was difficult because it's too big in a way where he went to college. He decided then Given given his size to been human trial rowing and got a very long story short He dedicated himself to rowing and became an olympic silver medalist. Go over better this by by one edge by the way which which is also an interesting because to You know to accept that you know the you didn't get the first prize. The gold medal by you know almost a fluctuation Going like this. You know which way so. It's hard to see him except that was also you know quite quite extraordinary and not let it sort of you know way too heavily on him but the going back to his adapting to that on was that the dedication was extraordinary and it was particularly extrordinary. Not it wasn't college but even more also when he was a graduate student because at the olympic level on everybody's affectively professional so the crew every morning crew. That's all they did was road. Meaning that were six hours. In intensive training day and boeing is considered the most intense sports actually because sport and the amount of metabolism is the highest many sports possibly with the exception equally so with Cross country skiing. Interestingly enough but So there was this extraordinary dedication to bad but it was a graduate student at the same time doing his phd and He was running a lab and so he would get up. You know and six in the morning. Go to drive Bound forty minutes to the training place. Go on the river train. Going the river train for six hours a get back have lunch. A late lunch Ban going into the lab work. Eight o'clock each some something. Some excuse for dinner and go to bed go to bed or they get up at six. And that's what he did. That was his life and it was a complete education to both the degree on. Thanks so he ended up. You know roaring in two olympics and ended up as the professor At the same time of sciences at usc so watching seeing that now. I can't do that. i have not. It's what is extraordinary is that i'm not very distant posting you know i'm you know i'm i'm someone that I i'm not a workaholic. I work when i'm interested And then what. Extreme to haunt of course. I am intense and disciplined in in those moments. But i'm not disciplined in what i consider the american sense which means the joe whiz working. The american ethic is somehow you always have to be working and I not like that and it's been it's actually been a bit of a struggle for 'cause everybody remedy since we always reworking goof off every once in a while lose interest Whatever and and to see our son Do this many years been to olympics. It's a year basically and And by the way even when he went to usc he was tempted to take a leave and because they wanted into row in third olympics and london london mix and he was going to do it and so as you could say semi commute between los angeles could but you know it cubs trying to keep the to reds of his life going but off the a lot of thought he decided that was really not there was advice book to see that dedication at once. Child is extraordinary because he was what is interesting. Is that that was not something. The us as parents instilled in that stat so brutal sense of discipline that kind of discipline we did in terms of the one thing. I've always Sort of tried to tell me how children and all my students post docs is that You do have to be disciplined. If you're going to succeed in terms of you know certain things almost like learning your times table. I mean we kids probably do anymore but you know that there are certain things that you just simply have to learn and know like the back of your hand and you have to do those and it doesn't what great thoughts you might have. What grade fantasies about what problems you might sold in less. You have the tools at your disposal. You're not gonna so and And that's a lesson of life. I think in general. And one of the things. I feel like an old farm now because one of i feel is losing is i feel very big almost victorian way of thinking. But i see that around me. Not that the you know the young people around Just as smart as young people always and they're very accomplished. But i get the sense of the same kind of discipline in that sense of learning tech and part of that is maybe because of the ease of computation that the computer has rightly and wonderfully relieved. Uss of lot of drudge work on the other hand. One of the weird things about some of the drudge work. Even though it's drudge it forms a way of thinking in your great it forms parkways your brain and i feel some of those are sometimes missing That's purely my own anecdotal experience. I mean i mean be tricky wrong if people actually study that that's my own Feeling as. I see young people today and suddenly the lessons i've learned and what i've tried to instill in younger people than having this having this groundwork got a build on something on just going jakob. The decide you're going to solve you know The meaning of live without sort of losing some of it of learning some of the features of life so to speak yet jeffrey. This really interesting. I i'd love to hear your articulation on how you view potential second third order consequences of this. You mentioned just the overall ease of computation now. And if there's the lack of discipline early would you think like this should look like moving forward then. Well i think it's comfortable also with something another phenomenon which you know is over familiar with that. Is the pressure to be not just specialize but the gonna be specialized specialized. I mean we all have to be you know you have to be an expert in one very specific thing. that's the way went succeeds. The reward system a in academia which is what most would of course is very much that way but my impression is in the business in corporate. Will it's quite similar You know you have to have something associated with your name but very special And the big picture and thinking broadly Even though most people. I think most people interested in ideas have that in the younger years that's gets beaten out of them in terms of the of the rewards and that coupled with this kind of Release from having to know some things. Because i can google immediately. I go on wikipedia. Get some you know some semblance of what the idea is on thinking about all the the the onset some simple problem or you know i do some calculation you know. It reminds me of Years ago when Calculators started to come in i so this is you know. It's hard to believe it's not so long ago. But i sort of hand held calculate they're looking for a but you know you you go to a stall on and you know something because the Ninetieth cents in those days. We still use reminding. Of course peter you give a dollar and the young person the the register up with then have to work out on the register. The by is two sense before. I not not being able to calculate. I mean which was astonishing to me. I mean i'm slightly exaggerating but not by much and that became more common. Well okay okay. You're really did that obviously But you know this way of thinking that that engenders and that's the point being able to subtract maybe two from one hundred years band subtract. Fourteen point five from a hundred is actually a useful way of thinking you know debated do that and so losing back across the whole spectrum of things that computers and allowed us this. This laptop is allowed to do Makes one it potentially introduces lazy. Thinking i think now. I may be wrong in that because it also gives you this incredible. I mean absolutely extraordinary talent to do other things. So there's clearly trade off and But my concern is More and more we're gonna lose The power of understanding things conceptually the idea that the principals involved the on generic ideas and so on and and the latest version of and of course zayi fantastic. I mean it's going to do some marvelous things but it means in a certain sense. If i may be exaggerating you don't have to understand it. It's just there that's the data and you turn the crank and outcomes of solution kind of you know. This is what you have to do to stop to reverse global waldman. This is what you have to do to not have a pandemic. But in the beja turn the crank mentally that's nuts because But in many things that kind of shopping in the day turning the crank of the bells and whistles a is extraordinarily powerful so yes. Let's let's exploited and we all and it will do wonderful things but let's be very careful that we don't destroy you know. Several hundred years of analytic conceptual thinking and ways of thinking. So that's what i'm concerned about. That may not happen. But that's my concern will really treat to hear. Even you are the more about your useful ways of thinking and correct me. If i'm wrong here. I've kind of taking you to be a very good first personable stinker and i would love when you come across something new a new topic you're going to explore. What does that process. Look like for you. Let's see what was on the theoretical physicists than physics is maybe the quintessential example of course of analytic thinking on these The way a a paradigm or structure for attacking a problem and It's it has several features which are powerful and important one is festival Not to be overwhelmed by the details and to think through and this is haunt because One off the essential features and the essential variables the essential drivers of what's going on You know so. I was trying to isolate that. And then i think the second part of it is to put that in in both in one of the better phrase dump make a mystic. What is where. Where is where if anywhere has caused an effect. What is what is trying what is primary and secondary and thirdly is to put that into a quantitative form and when especially loss about beginning a problem and that is you know just in general tons so for example. My migration from high energy physics into biology came balance for bunch of obscure reasons. But the question. That i asked myself was the the question i got interested in was about aging and mortality and So interested in what is the beckett by which one ages But the the question going to the stood pump. The quantity pod was to ask the question. What sets the scalable hundred years. Why is it that you know you. And i are destined to live of the order. One hundred years. You know you're not gonna live you know. Hopefully you'll live too close to that but you don't get much more than that. That's about what you yawn doesn't matter how good the medicine and health care is. The oldest living person ever was one hundred twenty two Was so you're not gonna the where does that come from. Why can't you live for five hundred years or five thousand years so so asking those kinds of questions I'll sort of be the framework that i initiate thinking about problems is festival as i say. Just going back to us. What are the essential features like in this one. Your about well you say you know the first thing that goes well. What does that mean aging and debt. That means you had a system was working just fine and then it starts to degrade something does go wrong. And then he goes so wrong. The thing just stops so obviously one of the big questions is what the hell always keeping it going in the first place through that fos metabolism. So you'd better ask yourself about tablets so it's that kind of thinking and then to ask you know what are the central pitches metabolism Sewn sofa and that's that sort of czyz waiver attacking problems. I believe me. I want to diving scale here in a second one more quick nuanced question. Here as you're exploring these ideas are are you writing these out by hand or you just kind of exploring these ideas in your head. Well i would say the following advice to anybody. I would say you should keep a notebook and you should write down these sorts. You're going and i would say most of my colleagues including my children of my wife dude that my colleagues suppose them i don't i'm i'm so lazy in a way i don't know what it is but i keep it on my a and i keep going back to it. I do occasionally writes something down because after work something out You know it was calculations to be done and so at some stage. Obviously i do because eventually. It becomes a serious a serious problem. That is the problem. My god this is an interesting problem. I can work it out. I can solve it And you know. I've talked to other people maybe bounded we collaborate and eventually paper is written so at some stage sesame. I start writing stuff. But i don't do it in a systematic way keeping a notebook. If you're an experimental scientist it is what is the debris good you have to keep up. Gb notable of every detail of what's going on much like doctor does with asian and. i think that's very good practice and i must say So touch us like milk here. Because i felt. That's a failing of myself that i wasn't more rigorous that goes by the way back to the discipline question. I'm not sufficiently. I've not been disciplined To to do that in a way. I could go back and look so forth but as i say at some stage i do that. Obviously i get loose. But so yes but i would. I would say that something one should do. You mentioned you'll talk to other people in your field to challenge your thinking it. It's something i try to do often. Who throughout your career is the best challenging. You're thinking ooh the question. Well i mean even if you would that be fantastic. If not though i'm wondering we'll what are they doing. What type of questions are they asking of you to help us. Or you're thinking buried a it's very throughout my career of course when you're young you have you know thesis adviser mental and was fortunate in having some outstanding physicists. My mentors who less the they challenge my thinking that they provided House is a role models by persson bank and thinking in some of these big tubs and thinking conceptually and A two or three of them. So i can tell you who they all my undergraduate. My one of my shooters was a mandate. Never bought won the nobel prize. That's metaphysics and He and then. When i was a graduate student visas thesis was leonard. Schiff wrote a standard text on quantum mechanics at that time and Then when i was a post doc. I wasn't executive by ben toy was pushed him into amending vicki by sculptor mitee And all three always wanted to think big and they all said pretty much the same thing they presented. What is really the arrogance of physics. But you should be able to work on any problem. That's what you're being trained for. Just any problem. You better think through how to attack it to set it up so there could be sold off these attempt to be solved and so on so they were extremely important was less. They challenged me. That challenge was of course that i didn't think in those terms you know i mean i just thought i was still thinking as most students during solving problems since you'll give it a problem there. It is solvent that you know you know electric debates or mechanics concert guy. You sold ceann something. But here. I think his the important point yes. Is that also what. I learned from band. And whether they said it explicitly on on i don't know but suddenly by sort of versus was equally important is also the right question and a veteran meal longtime to really understand. You know it's it's the question sometimes As much as the solution that is important and i think in that way. I was challenged. Evening wasn't explicitly later of course collaborations. I collaborated i mostly work. My cribs on my own but i collaborate with some wonderful people but i would say that. My best collaborations Himeji physics was managed to arabia. Who has a higher state. Now that was wonderful We did one piece of work that We were super excited about to do reduc mazza the problem that we realized one day that if it were right we got the nobel prize. But it wasn't in the out it was a it was great as a piece of work. But you know that's that's one of the hob things about being scientists often thing is you could come up with what you think is a great idea and You know you what you do is correct. But that's not the way it works. You know to accept that that's hog because you spend a lot of time. Motive energy won't be boashan. Sometimes it does work but later when i switched to biology The collaboration with james brown. Jim brown who was the is very well known ecologists basically Was fantastic and that led me to all the work the to do scale on scaling in general and so forth and he was fantastic and that was That was challenging in a very different way. Because jim was an outstanding scientist. He thinks he's he's thinks conceptually. Big in big picture terms is interested in big questions But he's mathematically challenge rather through two visits obviously biologists it's not as training and And i on the other hand you know. I have a set of mathematics and physics. But i knew virtually no biology and so that challenge of the challenge was a bringing these two different ways of attacking fundamental questions together in a collaborative way and that was incredibly challenging. becomes You know i had to learn to books but might be thought of as sophisticated mathematical derivation into english so to speak you know. We explained in very simple mathematical. What the sophisticated mathematics sighing and to really get to the heart of it and that's an enormous challenge and by the way it was that experience of doing that those what led to the work. The work that we accomplished richmond think a tremendous contribution moso really to be able to write this book. Which is has a book. Shine wrote about many things across the spectrum of science Many of which rely on detailed and sophisticated mathematical derivation and to write it without a single equation and not addressing the underlying reason for why it works. That is not just putting things dental and saying this is why the bathroom budgets worked and trying to explain in english language and it came from that experience that challenge of just winding down to queen. Which is what we do in physics. We're you know we're we're we're all trained him. Similar white we ryan down equations. We derive things together. And you don't have to explain you know. Of course what this beans underneath. We all understand that and Sometimes we don't by the way and sometimes that's what leads to great breakthroughs is that you've deluded yourself because we all agree you know. We're all take it for granted. That you sunday rounds. Oh my god you realize we actually assume this. That's obviously not right. So that's a very useful exercise. But this was in the in the extreme. And and i think it was because of that that we were so successful in collaboration in the end despite the fact that it was incredibly frustrating at times and i would sometimes come home quakes frustrated and angry and say what am i doing wasting my time. You know these guys understand simple equations. That was but it was indicate. I should say by the way to say this. You know or super deep relationship where you get pissed off the other person joe committed and you know you love their they love. You definitely executed your job correctly. I was even prepared for this conversation. And just thinking about that and you wanna talk about mathematically challenge. Believe me. I fit the mold there and your book. It's funny. I always can kinda judge how much i enjoyed the book by how i purchase them. How much. I underline so. I've got the hard copy. Which i'm obsessed with either kindle and the audio so i if i do the try in a book you know obsessed with it and you're the simplicity in terms of what you take as some of the the biggest most difficult things you could imagine consolidate for anyone understand. I would love to dive into the book scale. I would love it. You could define scale. I because i think that'll set a good foundation through his extremism fact. It's deceptively simple Scaling centrally is really sort of asked. The question You if i have a system on the object. What happens if i skated up in size. What changes i mean. So everything from you know Some simple object on your desk to this computer. what happens you by trying to scale up. this lack. Talk to double in size ten times a hundred times in size. Is that possible. What happens and particular. You know what happens if you have a living system us What happens if you made it one hundred times bigger. What i'm saying. That sounds sort of simple in a way and it turns out that is underlies much of science. The off trying to answer that question. How things change when you change. The scale of the system is You know is a fundamental question. I mean even so by the way to the universe itself because you could think of the universe for the big bang as escaping phenomenon started infinitesimally small just scaled up. And you know if you understood everything You would discover that as you scale to hop when the universe being mental tiny infinitesimal with all its various components what you would eventually galaxies and planets and life and then you be talking. That's a little of their concert version of it. But that's the point it's sort of buried in that question these consequences so out to answer the question. What sets the scale of human lifetime and a hundred years. And i would love for you just even even dive into what you're exploration found there. You started out by the way a number of reasons. But i got sort of interested in that question What sets the scale of one hundred years. And then as i said earlier it became very clear on that one Minorities wants to that question. When hunts dos the question. What is it as keeping system align could us alive. And what's going wrong. You know what what goes wrong with that system so what keeps us alive as metabolism meaning wheat metabolize so to speak. We just the food and send energy to the cells and that's the system we have basically Its simplest fall and And so when i started thinking about it i started. I look something extraordinary Because that Early on in biology in the nineteen thirties. Mandate max kleiber had systematized. Some data on right to means rock speaking how much food you need age. They stay alive. And what he had discovered the plotted the metropolitan rate versus the size of an organism. Now he's looking across multiple systems that He found a very simple result now. This was very surprising. Say what the simple result is in a moment but he found a it was surprising because after all we believe in natural selection we believe in english by natural selection beaning but Not only does the entire buddy but every subsystem every organ every cell type. Every gino of your body has its own unique history. Everything is historically contingent. And it's all happened by these random processes survival of the fittest and all the rest of the stuff. And so you know it's it has don't into it by sny level. Sort of the kind of randomness. Therefore you would have expected naively. It was not even if you plummeted. Something i'm better. Bonnie raitt of From you know Bows to awale of on a graph. Is that size. The points would lie not exactly randomly. But they'd be distributed all across the piece of graph paper. You're watching them all and one climb but discovered was that it wasn't like that at all they lined up on a on a simple line a simple curve with mine if he plotted them In order to get them on the grandba- but got by factors of ten so plugging rhythmically. That is sort of bloody you wait one two three four five grams budget. One gram grams. Hundred grams thousand brands. Because if you plugged into one-two-three wanted to get a mouse and aweil saint piece of bread fake you'd have to go many miles away. A whale is a hundred Types or massive amounts or anyway so the point is the point of this is that you saw is unbelievable. Simplicity in the extraordinary complexity of life. I mean metabolism is maybe the most complex dominated universe that is you take stop and you make life out of a metabolism nuts. So so the other thing that he discovered was the slope of this line. When plotted in this logarithmic way was very very close to the number three quarters which was also now subsequently the the analysis of billions of data but basically people plotted all physiological variables. You know hall raids lanes of bay auto and diffusion rates of various things across membranes. And so on all kinds of things that you measure life history events like how long does it take to mature how long you live. And so on all these various things and they all showed the same thing they all had a similar simplicity in how they scale and not only that the slopes of these lines was always a simple motorola one quarter so metabolic rate at the slow plunge despair. Three-quarters operate a slope of minus one quarter minus being the bigger. You are the slow the hallway actually and so on and lifespan seemed to scale with a slow close to one quantum. So there was this weird thing and there were maybe fifty seventy five of such grams but they seem to have this one quarter built into them so this number four seemed to play a determining role in the structure of life on the planet that is extraordinarily. That was that that. That's co quarter power or alimentary. Scaling and dan was a big mystery. An isolated stumbled across this in thinking about aging because lifespan and metabolic row metabolic rate. Both these property and so the question was when the hell does this. Come from because if you could understand where it came from Then baby you can understand something about aging lifespan and understand where this hundred years came from. So that was my sort of eventually my strategy. And so i started working on and the first thing you realize is and i did say this of these scaling laws. all organisms mammals in. But it's also true for insects fish crustacean plum trees. Whatever that in other words of them so engineering structure they all have the same scaling. That's pretty weird. Because we're not tree remove on. We obviously a satisfied scalable extorting so the underlying reason for this it has to transcend the involve design the evolved engineer design. We have and so what led me to realize was the thing that underlies this is generic to all of life and just to jump ahead all of life including so i'll social life networks that it must be something to do with the mathematics and physics networks because all of these systems have one thing truly in common and that is they distributed energy and information via networks any that these works tend to be high hierarchical like your circulatory system johanna way down to capitalize on your brain if you look at your brain similar kind of structure so to out got a very long story. Short taking that idea thinking about general properties networks working when brian enquist though salvo well-known biologist. So we were able to derive the origin of skating laws in particular the origin of the number four for these For different forms of life and that was published a series of papers in the latest and We went on in various forms to extended to interns ramifications. So things like growth. Can you take this theory. This is one of the great things about sort of physics of thinking of theory it's quantified. it's maxima ties and it. Has it relies on general principles of does but to do with the networks. You take those and your plights of different kinds of situations one of those being growth. What what it is to well. That was gross. Simple in this framework but metabolize. What happens is that energy gets when he goes to the cells gets allocated between maintenance repairs damage and replaces cells of the died and then grows new ones so you have to put that into mathematics. That's all controlled by the flow through the networks so you in mathematics and amazingly bad came understanding of growth cones and particular. Why it is we stop growing. It's pretty weird. When you think about it you eat voraciously your little and you grow quickly very fast. Almost exponentially And then gradually you stopped by the time you're seventeen eighteen human being you basically stop and even though you keep on eating you don't grow anybody get a little faster and saw but go unto genetically. You don't grow you stay pretty stable and then you die. And why is that. Why is it that suddenly you know. Now you know the pat on so would might be well the genes turn it off. Turns out you don't need this does it. It's the theory of the networks doesn't for you. Insides of very nice thing. That does it for all organisms and so that was very successful. They may apply digital things like sleep interesting question. Why do we sleep. Why is it. We have to sleep aboard eight hours and one of the things. I did not know too. I started thinking about it. I did not a mouse has to state for anywhere from sixteen to seventeen hours a day whereas elephant only stage three or four thirty two pretty amazing and you think way what you know where that come from. Well we worked out. But by the way i would let me just expand on that because something i meant to say about the scaling metabolic rate if better abolish rate increase is one of the things about this. Three-quarters scaling ball that is cooled. Typically sub linear scaling and if it were linear scaling and would say if double the size. I need twice as much energy. Which is the most naive level what you would expect if i get twice as big. I've twice as many cells and he twice as much energy. Obviously no it's not true. You're actually made some five percent. Energy is what the skating laws and it says ads because of the efficiency of the network so the bigger you are more efficient you come. Being less. energy is needed to support each cell so each cell is working less faud in you than it is in your dog or cat but your horses cells working less than you though yours And this goes directly to both lifespan and sleep because if you'll cells working less hard that creating less damage the working on the engine is turning a bunch more slowly so it can live longer so you live longer in fact. That's the origin in the end. Of why big things live longer the origin of the scaling law for sleep. And if you work it through to give you an idea why is it might be one hundred years. Why for a country to that. You can argue about. Why sleep goes. The asleep is weird because almost all timescales in biology Increased the bigger. You are live longer. Take longer to develop zone everything. Slows down big. Ui everything slows down in a systematic calculable predictable way by the dynamics of these books. But one of the things is that sleep is one of the timescales that goes in the opposite direction. You all the less sleep. So why is that. What's going on here. And the the point is that you recognize the falling. So you have to have an idea. Why do we sleep so that is to do without brains because you know i said a moment ago. The res from this viewpoint reason you age and die is your cells. a walking. they're creating damage and that damage that eventually humiliation of damage even though you do repeal so but you you mean you cannot repay face. It's too expensive so to speak to repair yourself precisely so gradually the system degrades. And that's the basis of the theory of aging modality but a The one organ the better not degrade very much a told is your brain because if you short off as you think all break during daylight hours so the Your trained damage in your brain. And if you didn't repair that faithfully within a very short time you would not be you. Your brain would be sufficiently damaged. That you would become demented. You'd be something else so built into. Your brain is You have to repair faithfully. So the number of damages. The number of repair mechanisms equal number of damages that roughly speaking so that the system remains pretty integrated. And of course you're also spending energy say so So what is interesting about that. Then is that If you do that then The the amount of energy that's putting into that's why by the way. That's why of all your organs buddy your brain union mess spent much more of your metabolism is going to your brain than it is a gram of tissue and the rest of your body spending a huge amount relatively speaking of spending much more energy keeping your brain in this sort of integrated state in this Repaired state so if you take that idea than what you learn is of course that The bigger you are on the the less energy is needed to keep this going because the this is three quarters of skating schedule so event From bands you can derive The an interesting scaling all of sleep and see why it is the elephants sleep only need to see for a couple of hours and Whereas a mouse needs sleep sixteen. So there's all these kinds of things that follow from Once you have a theory that explains the origins a metabolic screaming by the way also explains The the not just the scaling between organisms. But how you scale within yourself that is you know how you go from oughta down through your surgery. System for instance to the cameras. How bats is the scales of itself so it it's it's a very powerful theoretical framework. A system very similar tree correct. So yeah so. One of the things that we did was applied to trees. And that's that was of course an interesting challenge because it goes to what i said earlier. We're not trees. We looked like inside. You know if you take out sick versus the across Basically it looks like a treatment and it is very similar to retreat. But it is. It is different physically. Because you all you'll surgery system is bunch of pipes the plumbing in your house but your but a tree is a bunch of fibers. Join together fiber bundle. Bundle of is joining like electrical electrical cable thick electrical cable. It's got a bunch of in was inside. That's what a tree is applied to plants and trees of the same goals that they have this fiber fiber bundle and and as they brought out is just drawn. Buzz fibers just brought some some of the in gold away from bronze distant old way. Basically down to the roots so So twenty different and yet it satisfies the same skating laws and that's because the underlying principles of the network on same and so we have to work out a wiped out and that was that was very nice to understand Trees would and then to apply to any type of forest forest as almost like a super organism. How does it work made up of trees of different sizes and so on and that was that was really delightful. That was very enjoyable to see. How will that work and then to compare it to data this is crucial of being scientists compared to the daytime and see that my god all the predictions of the theory are Her short by the data in forest across the globe so that was very nice and also just a tight together. even though we're different than trump's nevertheless of the same principles apply the network. So much here i. This is vile of the book. All of this is just so fascinated me. I would love if you hit on real quick. Though i just around the scaling laws in terms of how they differ in in cities as opposed to biology. This is fascinating. Oh this so it was So after we did a lot of this work. Some which like vocal bell It was natural for us to ask you know. Can we expand bits. Two particular social organizations for natural to think of you know is is to what extent l. cities for example or companies Like organisms and in fact. You know there's a long history of goals of people discussing Companies and cigarettes often a biological lifelike Vegetables or use. You know the dna of company collegiate marketplace on a metabolism of the city. So at yours but So but he was very natural to do that. And so i followed different collaboration. The different set of people From some from social sciences and some from urban studies and so on to stop thinking about this and The first thing we had to do was to ask the question. That was the already been answered for us in biology because biology by when i started thinking about it as i mentioned much of the data on scaling itself had been analysed And previously you know the quarter pal scaling of been done and so on so oldest known but when he came to cities there was basically wasn't any big thought in these terms at all so going back to the biology one of the. What did we relearn despite the fact that the world is in the ocean. The giraffe is a long nag elephant. Trunk we work on two feet in the battle scars around actually to sort of the eighty to ninety percent level when actually scout versions of each other. I mean was that any tons of anything that you can measure measure anything about or a life is actually skilled. Vote since one mellon so in matt saints rab that point home as one idealized mammal and every single mammal that existed on this planet is just variant of that. One mammal is a scaled version of that. Now that's what that's what it says scheme say and it's because we have the same underlying dynamics joe matured networks question. Is that true. Since that is is new york. A scaled up los angeles which is a scout up chicago which is a scaled up. Santa fame live even though they different histories geographies and even different cultures and Well you know Something look differently but on the other hand. They obviously have great similarities. I mean the old places where people live they have roads and houses buildings bechtel minds so they will still trying to do siblings and most importantly viewpoint the road networks obviously transport networks results networks and social networks and so on so the first thing was to gather data and see to what extent ossetia's indeed scout versions one another so this mom's group of young people that worked with me put all that together and We discovered all these wonderful skating. Laws and And they were very eliminating. Because i sort of scaling laws which do with infrastructure which is the way you only think about a city you normally think of the city just as buildings roads. Some restaurant and what we discovered was that it was just like biology that They scaled in the same mathematical way as biology. That is if you've plotted them. In this logarithmic way going up by factors of chain in population population was taken as the size of the city. If you go by factors attain then Infrastructure for example the number of gasoline stations or the length of all the roads as plotted against the population size. Look just like it. Didn't biology plotted in this longer. Big waves a straight line. The only difference was that the slope of the line instead of being point seven five. Three quarters was closer to point a five but otherwise looked the same. Even more amazing was that it didn't matter what infrastructure was any infrastructure always scaled the same slope point eight five and even more surprising was it didn't matter where you looked in the world and is we. We looked at data causing states europe and latin america and asia. China japan all look pretty much the same with the same slope of point. Eight five as though is very much like jit so universality transcending history geography and culture And it had this economy of scale. So i probably didn't emphasize enough about biology in biology. I only on the bigger. You are the less cell is needed to stay line By twenty five percent say twenty five percent roughly speaking with each doubling size biology. So here citizens was that with each doubling of sides. You don't say twenty five percent you save fifteen percent so but nevertheless look just like biology so that was interesting but what was really interesting very exciting this when we look at what a city is really about that is it's socio economic activity and that is looking at things like Wages in the city The number patents produced in the city of its innovative strength About crime in the city breezes also innovative by the way of course crime disease unsown all the various things that you could find data on associated with cities We analyzed and we discovered to our great satisfaction base scaled. Mathematically in the exactly the same way except it had a feature and that was first of all the slope was not point. Eight five is it was infrastructure. Jump was one point one five. It was big enough one first time we saw something to be super linear bigger the one which meant the opposite effect to the economy of scale so the communists. The the less you need per capita on less roads for capitalist gas stations per capita the less electrolytes the cabinet. But now it says the bigger you are the higher. The wages opera capita the ball hats. They're all becomes more innovative capital borne disease per capita more crime per capita both schools becoming the more restaurants per capita anything socio economic activity regardless of whether it was good bad or ugly scouted the same way and it did it as far as we can tell across the globe so this was fantastic and we quickly realized which we'd already guessed beforehand. A five reduction proposals was that this was ought to do with the universality of social networks the underlying all this is the the universe out of the way people interact with each other talk to one another full groups with each other and soul. Because that's pretty much the same across the globe. It's sort of built into our social dna so to speak that we are who we are as human beings in the way we interact and that also leads to the idea. The what the city is is really a cauldron an incubator. it's a facilitator of social interactions. That's what the city is. And in that sense it's the most baldness machine we've ever built because what it does a brings people together in order to exchange ideas. Interact exchange ideas most of which joke pointless and useless to everybody else but every once in a while doing that. That dynamic produces their relativity or quantum mechanics or google or microsoft or amazon. That's what he that's where it from that phenomenon and so that's the machine doesn't that is you would not have a quantum mechanics by highs bugs sitting on mountain all the loan for fifty years or when he did it at age. Twenty six twenty six years and coming up with that or wouldn't have just basil's sitting in a mountain and a babia of coming up with this idea of amazon for example it has to be within the social now. Obviously that's who we are and the city's machine that facilitates and enhances that and that's what this bater was sort of saying and we so one of the ways. We tested this. Some colleagues at mit was We realize that you know one of the predictions for this. If you could measure social interaction the degree of sexual attraction the numbers attractions as a function of city size. It should scale you the same way. As all these socio economic quantities that is it should have this fifty percent addition every doubling should was the the slope of the scaling lunch should be one point one fine and We did it with our colleagues mitee write access to billions billions of data on cell phone. Interactions someone actually both landline and cell phone cell phone and so this was really big data stuff and where we analyze those the using those as a proxy for people attracting each other it turned out. Degree perfectly. satisfied the engine so Now one of the things that is still. The work is still very much in progress We have not really been able to derive the one point one five to the same degree that we can divide the one to five point. Seven five three quarters the one course in biology which is nice boy. Find package here. It's much much harder and the problem. Here is the in fact cities more complicated the biology because they are the interface. Between infrastructure the physicality of the city and the the flows in sort of infrastructural networks and flows the information flows in social networks and to have to be tied together. So you know. I don't know if you're forbid you must be familiar with pictures of social networks with show these nodes of people and the lines going to their friends and those friends and it's sort of up in the cloud somewhere you know sort of will somehow now become associated with You know Social media stunt from it works but because it is close we do do that but actually social networks and in fact. That's what we're doing now. We're obviously we're not but social networks primarily and always have been until now we have to be on the on the ground in fact even now you'll not in cyberspace somewhere off substance but you're not somewhere in the cloud literally you're sitting in a row front desk with juju in front of you. You have to have food around and you have to have a ball thrown but so be too with high to this. Two dimensional service whether we like it or not as to how sophisticated outfits so no matter what in tons of information flow you have to join the the flow of information social network to the physicality of the two dimensional surface on which we have to live because gravitation. You've no choice so That's difficult to put into back to solve. That problem has been very difficult however You know they're all we've made some progress in that we think we understand something about where this fifteen percent comes on. Please no i was just gonna say well. You're someone who likes solving difficult problem so it's very seriously i have to send you if you haven't seen it. There's this probably five minute long video. It's called one hundred fifty years. I think of of research papers and it shows the progress of research papers throughout the last one hundred fifty years and and the nodes of the network and how they lead to the next set of research papers. You'll you'll love this obits great. No i haven't seen that great of course but that actually is a segue to another aspect of this which is something that I'm intrigue me. And i'm really is the pot that now i'm in a sense. It's most interested in and that is the role of time and you just described a process. That is time you pollution of something and So let me go back to biologists second one of the things about biology. And i sort of intimated this is the we i said you know the bigger you are the less energy of cam proposal. that economy of scale but associated you behind which i didn't emphasize was a slowing down the pace of life. I sort of been delayed because life gets stretched out Elephants much longer than the mites. An old time. Scouts get stretched out in a predictable way. The opposite is true in such economic quantities because of the role of social networks and social networks. Have them something that you don't see in biology. That is husted feedback over for short periods of time. That is a talks to be who talks to see tokes back to a and that's how we build up these ideas. That positive feedback rebuild on ideas. As i say most of which are very interesting. But that's how we get great ideas. We'll have progress comes about from that inspired by that kind of dynamic and but that also leads to not just blow up capital rav less per capita but instead of slowing of the pace of life the increase invasive line and so another kind of prediction from this run structure. Is that the bigger. You all to foster. Everything goes in a kind of predictable way and we looked to all kinds data for that and and it's in the invert agreement with night. When we looked at record quite wiggle was the speed walking as a function of city size which was music. And that's a bit of a stretch but it was was producing to see but much more interesting. Is that of course refill that the pace of life has been it. Does increase as socioeconomic gets more ball zone and suddenly you know in my own life. My gosh pace of life now is so much pasta. My goodness me. I mean having to keep up with change. I mean the fact that you know i still operate with an iphone six whereas you know most of the people around being pretty much shorter have iphone eleven so they have and they hold ribbit. I watch you know. I'd saw well. This is a trivial example. But you know notre dame nightwatch. But i don't have you know i said well if i got an i watch i get the hundred ninety nine dollars i watch to or is You're gonna get a five hundred ninety nine. I watch eight or six over the hell. It is not so well. This is just administration want living whereas when i was a man no you know short changed but it was so much slow. My god talked earlier. I mean my god. It wasn't that long ago. When i remember the first Texas instruments hand held calculator came in and it was a bump. No more importantly was the tech. The one that came in make me was the hp where you could actually do. Write a program. I mean that was extraordinary. That was like in a took forever from from when you think abounded towards the buttons from having computers to that now took nothing so this is very important and One of the things that is about the theory was extremely satisfying as i said earlier. robbery applied this theory in biology to growth it Explain why it is stop growing on and that was it. I didn't emphasize this. That's intimately related to the sub linear scaling of metabolic rate. Three-quarters the economy of scale connor scale is the thing that leads to the stability of the system Of the rapid growth phase and by the way that plays a very important role systematically for the sustainability of live from the planet. Most things end up being in a road from destabilize state So better stay was staking. Things are changing the time calls over the relatively stayed with state. And that's why it's been around for couple of billion years now. That paradigm is terrible for socioeconomic system in a great discovery of capitalism and entrepreneurship coupled with the fantastic exploitation of fossil fuels has led to this extraordinary quality of life. That we have my god. That's what it so do to And that's great but we're now discovering repenting every price and that price may be the end of everything but nevertheless that's what it came from and that paradigm is has built into it over knitted growth not stable growth. A stay on the stability. I should say and so One of the nice things that came out of this theoretical framework was that the super linear scaling that is derived from the positive feedback mechanisms in social networks the super linear ling in fed into the growth equation so to speak gives rise to super exponential growth. That is you. Don't stop growing you keep growing and so that was wonderful. That was very consistent. And i was very excited about that. Because he bogeyed. My couldn't figure out how this thing could work but it would. All work is very consistent and it agreed with data but it had terrible consequences and the consequences. One i've already mentioned. The pace of life has continued to accelerate. Things have to get foster and false done and the second was the equation for growth had built into it something that is technically gold a finite time celerity and what that means in english. Is that in some finite time in the future Whatever it is you're measuring the gdp the number of aids cases. I don't know whatever it is the better crime. Is it going to become infinite which is nuts goals And the theory tells you what happens. The theory tells you that it is not an system is going to collapse. it's going to stagnate collapse and the question is how do you get out of it. Well we know how we get out. We have gone out of it. What you have to do is before you hit this so-called finite time singularity years one hundred years but it is in some quite finite time before you hit that you better make a major change. You better reinvent yourself. You better change the paradigm under which all of this is developing. I mean because you realize that everything. Like when i said the growth equation that assumes the so to speak the premises of what's happening on change during entered you discovered bronx so that sets kind of bronze age you got a coal that so sets a whole tone hole. Dominates everything follows for some jared Invent computers you discover the internet and these completely then become the dominant paradigm sort of backdrop. Everything we do so it's clear to avoid this collapse. What we have to do is at some stage before we hit the seniority. We have to reinvent ourselves by changing the paradigm going benching him. You paradigm baking major new innovation. And that's what we've done. And if you look at the data but also agrees with its theoretical framework qualitatively and quantitatively in terms of how the speed of which innovations have to come they hunt. You'll have to come false and foster and false. And that's what we've done. So you know. The economists have you know. People have been concerned about the sustainability of the planet for a long time one hundred years but suddenly in the last fifty years and the two most famous were in the seventies minutes that was a rodent studies about the sustainability of the planet. and then There was a famous book by poor justice. Standard call the population bomb. And of course previous to that there was of course milkis Who basically said can't sustain exponential growth. But they all said this. Basically and economists even beginning back in the eighteen nineteen th centuries said bullshit. Of course you can you know. That's rubbish memphis gone crushed and so on. And so it was when they came back in the seventies they. Economists said that's norm. There's no evidence that the system will not be sustainable and in particular you know the the main thing that you've completely left out with completely true is that you haven't take into a gun innovation. We innovate ourselves out of this. And that was true and bounce his time he didn't realize across the that we're going to be great innovations and agriculture in response to the demand and so it was across in To these studies in the seventies and so economists of this kind of mantra that they sweep all of this under the rug and say well we just innovate ourselves out of it every time of course we will. We have and It it's almost like supply and demand. And i agree with that by the way that's completely crazy. I think those previous things were wrong. But there's a price you pay for that he you don't solve the problem by innovating. What you are doing. Is postponing the problem. Because you're going to have to do it again they agree. You're going to have to foster. So i you know just a concert version. Something that might have taken a hundred years to develop thousand years ago now has fifty years. It's gonna take ten so it's kind of looney in a way because going to have to have an it revolution so every five years. Also we re not s- So that you know the thing is going to build up to something. That is truly not sustainable. That's the question. Wow jeffrey west i. It's so obvious. Why why i love your book all of your work your research. The book that you wrote that i love is is scale. I do highly recommended it. It's truly remarkable. I'm hoping at some point you you and i can connect again. I told you won't geelong believe i love it. I could go down rabbit holes with you all day so i. I really can't thank you enough for this. You're your works. Impacted me so i wanna say. Thank you so much for joining us on. What got you there bedroom. 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Podcast #92: Matt's Crap Trams

Shut Up & Sit Down

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Podcast #92: Matt's Crap Trams

"Around. Hello, everybody. And welcome to the ninety second shut up and sit down podcast, my name's Clinton Smith. And I'm here to be your Sherpur, upper mountain of board games shove it I love it. And I am joined by my as always irreverent and hit and miss colleague is Matthew lease the Reverend of irreverence may it's a British spring day outside. Doc, it's wet and I are indoors wearing a well lit Rome with gun Cup of Rubik bow St. recording in my little I'm she does last spare bedroom in which some of the sound foam to make the podcast. I'm nicer fell on you. And what you up in the night. That's it was hilarious. It was the thing is when when we talk about your baffling foam falling on me in the night. People need to understand this isn't like a small bits of phone. I this is something the size of a six year old yet the fell bodily on me in the middle of the night leading to me to think that I was under attack this. I mean this room is so echo, even with all of these huge trunks foam. It's still still quite equi. It never mind. Those not bad when I was younger. I attached a number of picture frames to my wall. Via a kind of network a webs- network of duct tape. Okay. So I kind of realized I was like, hey this duct tape is so strong. I can stick pitches the wall. But then because it was all kind of web together it meant though, no one night while I was asleep all of these pitches. Down in one big chunk as you can tell this struggle with life. And that's why we find solace in board games. That's one of the things I've ever done. Anyway, let's let's carry on. Well, we'll talk about your tramways experience lights. Oh, gosh. In this podcast. We're gonna be talking about new frontiers. The race for the galaxy board game it's big it's expensive. I've got mixed feelings about it. We're gonna be talking about some expansions commands and altiplano and for planner, and we're gonna be talking about L Dorado a game of Dorados and L's who love them. And we're going to be talking about tramways if you haven't heard of any of these board games, that's fine. And I tell you what's up tramways. But also excitedly mask is blood test is yeah. All board game. They've got to check. There aren't any components to my blood because I've been eating so many of them are the is let in we do feed. Matt all the bad games. Let's shut up and sit down trivia for you. So we're going to rush through these. And I'm going to start on by perhaps doing a disservice and rushing through Abe box. That is maybe the biggest box. We've looked at this year. Right. It's new frontiers. The race for the galaxy board game right now, we have stuff we're excited about on this podcast won't be talking about for very long. But what happened here is once upon a time. There was a deal is a beloved curious conned game called rice for the galaxy one of the ram the pieces of board game design. This game is really just a deck and a bunch of chits every card in the deck is a different corner of the galaxy. So maybe it's a cod might represent some galactic trendsetters who are having a cool futuristic legs disco. It might be a planet of lizards. It might be a space marine incumbent. What? Ever. But the important thing is every card is unique and players will play these calls from their hand into what's called that to blow. So maybe you are in the space marines, but I've got the rebel stronghold in mind corner of the galaxy. But the twist rates for the galaxy was always you paid for these cards by playing of cards from your hand. So you had to choose what you wanted. But then throw options away there's a lot going on in that ball game. But that's the basics now since then people have other games within the race for the galaxy universe. Which is definitely not that we really confusing if I use that. It's it's not even exactly there often almost the same idea for the game with the different mechanic, different conceits remaking coma. Because film, it's some of the same DNA different games. A few years ago, we had something called role for the galaxy which I quite likes. Eventually came out after being dogged by production difficulties for a while. We were really impressed. It's like a lovely dice game. Where as you you can acquire new dice, you roll your Dyson big plastic Cup the dice beautiful and it tons race for the galaxy. Which is this very high skill level Kagame into something a bit peppier zenia dicey. And I felt like that game definitely reasons for it to exist. Right. You might be able to see where I'm going with this because if you want if you wanna dice game role for the galaxy is a lovely game in its own, right. If you want a tactical Kagame rice for the galaxies phenomenal. Now, we have new frontiers. The rights for the Belic seaboard game which comes in and enormous like ninety pounds dollar box. And you. What's happening? The I always letting that's fine. But you said race for the ballot see an enormous ninety pounds dollar box. If you turn into Steve Brule, I hope so because I love Steve I I meant pounds. It's ninety dollars in America ninety pounds. I was abbreviating pound dollars pound. After over joking around pretending to do Tim skins. We we are turning into Tim Manera sketch for one I'm looking forward to becoming senile and just. The sit down thousand cost being one long run on sentence for me that you say to yourself looking at a window. Mike isn't. Yup. Okay. Goodness. Would new frontiers office the rights for the galaxy experience of playing planets and developments and putting them in front of you. And then every in development makes you better at certain things. Like, you've got trading issue, better training, all this stuff. However, where in rice for the galaxy planets cards now that enormous Keila discs where in rice for the galaxy developments were cards now that large rectangular tokens in rice for the county where trade goods were cards now, they're enormous. Plastic trade gets everything that race for the galaxy kind of by sleight of hand turned into cards and meant the entire game was just cards which also and this is really important meant the game was cheap. Now, it's all been replaced by an enormous physical because his race for the universe. Right. It's like this is a bigger than. I might call it like walk for the galaxy. Do I don't know if this was the first game in the series. I'd be like. Wow. And actually, this is a weird one because we're not gonna review when I'm to cover it. Because the only coverage I would give it was like by race for the galaxy. It's cheaper. And I think it's better which is just a death knell for this box. That thing of whenever for example, INTERPOL musical band. Release a new album. It just reminds me how good the first album is. Yes. And it's not the new albums of bad is just the first one was amazing. This is why I feel bad because new frontiers rice the rice for the galaxy board game if I played this first the top of my hat would be taken off. It's lovely. It's got so much color. It's every token and cod and the game has not what an experience, it's chist. But the bigness doesn't add anything. No, the fact that it comes ofter the cod game. Like is. It's almost like we're going through time backwards. What would have made way more sense? If this ball game had been I. And then the designer had gone. You know, I could collapse all of this into account and make it more elegant. But instead they've taking a game and made it sprawl as a question, though, is it like that this game, which is spoiling massive and bigger is it effectively the same game. Is it something that fans of race for galaxy who really want a big box expensive thing can have a little tree with it. Ooh. Is it that the game itself is different? And maybe just as good. It's a little from Columbine a from Columbia. It's a great question though. I would say it's similar enough that if I was teaching it to people who played rice for the galaxy that Kagame I would be able to teach it by going. Okay. Here's how this game is different. Okay. And I could probably cut the rules explanation in half. So she has that much DNA. But in terms of being a deluxe experience. It's interesting. And if you well, here's the other thing if you like for the gods, and you want something that's different. Well, my first answer is obviously definitely by row for the galaxy the big colorful classroom dice game. I can't imagine a human being who loves rice for the galaxy. Then what something special so the role for the galaxy and is buying experience the galaxy. But what they really want. My view is another more expensive version of the same game. That's an interesting thing is that like often we find that. When you do saw trucking gigantic components into games has an effect, and the effect is which is often one that you're not gonna be unexpected like in container, for example, massive resin ships. I found the joy of chugging around actually was added something to the game. There's no way they intended. That is the thing they might pretend the day, but nobody you can't know into you fiddle with it in a way and in the same way late rising sun, like they probably didn't realize that the fact that these miniatures was so bloody big meant the fact that when you boy. This holiday does this massive thing. I've just bought so defects of ascetics opponents when you hold them when you pick them up and how they feel to move around like if your play testing with standard materials, you can know that you can know how it feels to play the size of Cardo this print quality of card table. But when you make these custom big things in this going to do a specific final early print run to play test. Either Canada what you're gonna get and you might end up having gigantic big expensive components that best case scenario don't really add anything to the game or worse case scenario like just somehow make it was this is I'm going to follow your threat. I think I'm going to end talking about this by just picking one example from the game, which is something that improvement that would sound great on paper. But in practice is just funny. So in rice for the galaxy all of the planets, he might colonize our cards right in new frontiers. You now have an enormous bag where every single planner is its own unique quite large circulatory can so on players explore planets, you reach into the bag Joe McDermott and pull out a bunch of planets and then pick which you want to go to. So that sounds more tactile more more luxurious than just thumbing through some cards in practice when you actually play new frontiers. I mean drafting and pasta around these planets passing six lodge tokens around the table. That's all I mean on also funny thing while tokens that have called sounds good. The auto sets that they've taken from the cards and now put on the tokens because token isn't doesn't have as large of a surface area as cards the answers, actually shrunk. So a more luxurious component the web. All the theme is coming from is now, a little smaller little less detail. So what kinds of tricky stuff like that? I would I would if you for some reason super interested in new frontiers. The rice for the galaxy board game then by all means Google decide yourself with you want to experiment to pronounce. I think you can probably ignore this one. Okay. But we've got some stuff moving on Matthew as you've been going expansion wild. Yes. Expansion on Europe extended all the way to the beginning of March this year. He's a joke years ago that I wish I brought back this year expansion euhrer Nouri, which is my January where I review of expansions. Yeah. But obviously because of climate change it now goes on until much. So effectively I've been going back. I had a realization last year when I suddenly went my gosh combat. It's great. I thought we'll look let's just jump back in play through these. We got to play the most recent expansion little bit earlier the gathering. A friends, and I thought let's just go and do the whole hog. So I went back, and I played the tar city expansion. And then after that played the set expansion, do you wanna give like setting it Tassotti sets? I don't know man come up with a new ship shin guard. No one will know they made up name swear, no one will notice you're pretty good. Pretty good offend people who still wash it raw. I probably will find do you want to give the top line? To is commit. So commit is a big dumb war game. And it doesn't really play like a war game. But it feels like one. And that's what I think is the corvette I've got down to the brass tacks of white commit is wonderful. You have this board, which is an ancient Egypt's. You have pyramids in your little cities. And you go off and you find each other, and you try and take over temples and whole temples and really is game. Where you've got to just you get to ten victory points and the ways you get ten victory points don't often involve fighting, but it's one of these games where you look at it. And you like this is cool big desert. These little cool colorful miniatures of all of your armies, and you look at anything this looks like a game where we're gonna go out into the desert fight each other. And it is and it's not like it. One of these games that perfectly actually gives you the experience that it looks like you're gonna have because you got this colorful miniatures on a board. You these cool little pyramids, which basically just defor triangular dice, which you can flip to level up, your, parents lovely. And then you have a shed shop things where you can buy things from the sharp booklet, we call the wind less tweet go through one. And then quickly you'll plans the things from the shop evaporate as everyone else by the things you were going to buy and you're scrambling around fighting looking at points and the game ends really quick. And he got a very unusual structure, doesn't it? To begin with. It's just a really straightforward wargame sitting to the side about sixty tokens on game. Breaking powers. Yep. Everyone's dot com. Just like getting powers, which is absurd. Because the and then just as a practically demigods the games. I it's over in about now is very quick. And also the fact that within the shop these again, like we're talking with scale, you have these cool big miniatures that light you can be. I'm going to buy a giant scorpion. He's gonna wind around the desert with me and unlike in rising sun when you've got a joint scorpion, roaming, the desert with you, it strikes fear in people and it strikes joy in. So it's one of these things where it really does deliver on the promise of what appears to be. And I love her, and especially, you know, playing Inish more and more. It's like yet has a place as well thing. Like, I want a quick colorful by T game. Which is exciting doesn't ask that? It's welcomes expansions are interesting. Okay. Because so I need to go back and play. Some more of set is the the more recent one the more exciting one it's brings in the conceit of because it's already a game, which is basically based on Stargate untouchable property that most people who are not thirty five or older have never heard of any more. Because it wasn't it wasn't that was it. Let's be real. But it was fun and interesting in which there's about alien who is in ancient Egypt. And it's like what if ancient Egypt actually was maybe. Aliens and they were bad. And if people accidents go through a gate through time and have to fight them. And if. His name the guy who's madman. Again is good actor. I like him anyway. What a film. But we not quite doing. We've not quite doing. But basically, the general gist is that there are one group of people who are extensively also mentions, but that really toll and dangerous looking and they're being controlled by somebody who is just more powerful, and they're in charge of the desert. So it turns into an old us is one of those which means all of the other people with armies have to collude and make plans and buy powers, collectively. Because then they can like move pieces around the map basically trying to make that Ani's as diverse as possible. So that when you go on the offensive, you get the powers of three or four or five people when fighting against the big bad who is just nasty more powerful, and as access to all sorts of weird tricks, and it's one of these things where turning a game this, which is a free for all into an Lovie. One is interesting, and it's a joy to teach the new rules for because so many of them are things that you just say, oh, you going to do this now all the plays. Get what? One of the first things you have to do is go you'll need to give me one of your color chips, and the okay Ryan, and they give you a new ships. But doesn't I mean I've got one less action in the game. Hewlett. Yes. Have you taken away? It's like, oh because I can use them to do bad things to you. And they're like. So it really does like have a set of rules if pretty amplify this idea of you all you all the big bat. And yeah, basically creates a game mode where they need to then build these temples in the desert and then by doing that, they'll get permanent buffs and that if they can finish a temple and pull off a ritual than they can then travel through the dog. I invite you in your base, it's called a Stargate Emmanuel, but let's be realists Stargate. And yeah, it's it's such a cool idea on really like, you know, we've talked a lot in the past about like, it's really exciting. See people not just adding additional stuff actually adding things which which take a game you love and turn into a different game. And I kind of agree with that sentiment. But I also increase Nissan's ac- that sometimes that's just like a very tricky proposition. Yeah, I've always been a fan of expansions which offer something the helps you to see the game in a different light. That's the gold standard for me where if an expansion is exciting to play with. But then you go just, but I love the simplicity of the base game. Yeah. Then you buy the vice game. And you love the messenger the expansion. Yeah. You seem to have a bad version of that words. Just making you like the base game. I mean, I don't I think I on paper. I love the idea of this like enjoying the messing versus the simplicity. But it's very rare. I think that you manage that. I think actually when the seen that would be a video game which was the sequel to in a way, actually like the first modern x com game was kind of like this just really neat really tight. And then the second was messy, and then the deal see for the second X game just went full on light. And I really enjoy all elements of that. And and the same way it makes me joy like Rian joy, the kind of most simple basics. But in this. It makes the game more complicated for some people basically the game for the collaborators basically you're talking about. Yeah. Commenced set the when they're trying to work together. It makes game more complicated because they need to work. How what powers I going by themselves, but needs to talk to other people and work out how they're going to collaborate both in terms of what powers they should buy. But also where they're gonna move and how they're going to move on. On the map, and it creates a puzzle which is quite complex, actually, and he's like a little bit pandemic, but maybe more so of just trying to work out how you can physically move and physically unlock all these things and move your arms around in an optimal way. And I think it makes it it's so kind of abstract that I think it makes it probably very prone to backseat driving. But also it just and this is what I found actually with with both the expansions. And I do think that set may have more potential. I'd like to play it again on the slow afternoon because both all of the expansions just make the game a lot longer because they just expand the length, but with the first expansion, particularly just as a new shop, and I think in both these expansion the first expansions called Tassotti, tacitly. So tardy adds a whole new range of tiles. So you have like blue tiles, red tiles whiteouts and now black tiles. So you have four different shops. You can go in technically. But in a way that really did when I was playing with it was it highlighted the fact that the wonderful thing about combat is this initial bouncy of options so quickly filters down to being light was laugh. It's like another way that plays actually interact, isn't it? It is people buy things, and you know, because you wanted that. And also it helps keep the game pacy because it means that the point in the game where suddenly decisions the more important. Your decisions is actually being limited because there's just less stuff to by spending time looking low manual so by having this window close and having it being more time the game just goes on and on and the same thing is true with with a with set of being like, this is an interesting idea of what happens if you combine armies in the movement being like picking up and dropping units as you go to merge them all together. But it creates a puzzle that kind of just slows the game down isn't actually, it's interesting. But it doesn't really get the hall of. What is so interesting for me as playing both of the expansions. It's kind of reminded me and highlighted for me, the things that make command mazing, I think this is going. Be 'cause you've actually decided unusual and just do a video review on the expansions. Right. Yeah. Because because I did a video of you combat Yong's ago. Yeah. Six metric Young's the now. I was when I used to be younger. We always said that expansion reviews will really boring because often like, well, if you like this kind of thing that's more of it. Punches football games are often. I've I'm starting to find reviewing expansions fascinating. Yeah. It's odd. But I think it's interesting though, these expansions really have made me see commit in different light. And it's made me realize that you like as a game. It still has a lot of value today. I think this is why we often get cynical when kickstart his release expansions at the same time as the base game because. Yeah, I mean, you need that game to be released and you need players to react to it to find out a you need to work out. What needs? Yeah. Exactly. And the idea of like oh games coming out. We've got two expansions out of the gates. That's not going to be solid. There's no way. No. It's also think being if you give people too many options it's supposed to play this. If you get a game it comes with three expansions like, how do I do this? I'm very briefly you've been poking and expansion for all supply. No, yes, I have altiplano expansion. I really like a lot the traveler involves effectively adding another cardboard board to the. Collection of Boll decisions instead of archipelago of boards. It's like a circle of locations that you then travel around and this is another one that says in the middle of it. And I tell you it's those big bits of cardboard. This is a big table game. Really? Yeah. Like when you go the traffic expansion all the bits forget, it's you've got to play abodes going 'cause it's a real beast, but traveler really does ramp-up altiplano and make it much more exciting. I really like how to plan, but I can completely understand. Why people that's fine because it is kinda just fine. But something about it. I find very pleasing in terms of the theme ING and the pace traveling around the Andes picking up out Packers and carpets and putting them in your bag you on your like, I'm gonna make some glass. So I'm gonna make some woods. I'm gonna make some boats. They're gonna make some houses it kind of tickles the same H for me as we you Rosenberg's stuff like a feast fro Dan just being I'm kind of doing some stuff and having time maybe I'll get little points win. I don't cat traveler is. Cool because basically adds a little character who moves around between locations, and if you are in the same location as person, then you can basically like you can use a special things, you can trade with him for things you can do extra things and also you can buy these other special powers from like from him affectively, and it it basically added more of an element of. Real interaction between players because you also have the shed Marquette Webuye you can sell him stuff. And then the objects you sell then sit in this middle market, and you can't buy the stuff that you sold any other plaque can so yes, it means you actually like removing things from your bag like being like, oh, I'm going to get rid of this piece of silver or whatever. And then it means like 'have in my bag any more. It's like completely how the game. But I mean, someone else can have it. And it means that basically you're constantly looking at like a hawk and somebody will sell something you think I really want that bit of wood especially later in the game where it's like there's no more would visit would so badly. You are actually watching what other people do doing more like a hawk and also the the where the man travels to next is kind of like based on him moving around the circle, but to whether isn't anyone so you can kind of if you're late in the gay go, you can kind of choose Ray goes. And it also has the adaptiveness of you can be like, well, I wasn't going to go to this location. But because he's there what can I do Ignatz the game more dynamic? It makes the game definitely feel like the problem. I have without supply. No didn't really feel like in the base game. There was any good reason few not take your goes simultaneously. The only reason that you wouldn't do that is because there are some locations where you can buy a card, and you can choose whichever called you want. So who both want to do that? It's like, hey, you got that canoe. I wanted that canoe and technically it was first. So you have to play an order but ninety percent of the time. There's no reason for and it's just like it could be way faster, if it's just like go, everyone go, everyone, everyone go and anytime you and you could house rule being anytime you buy a card. Say I'm by car, and then you work out the turn order, but in this that sounds good to me like if players complacent, honestly, that's speeds up the game dramatically. Yeah. That's the problem is in the base game. You couldn't quite do that designed it. So you could play simultaneously. And if they had done, I think I'd like a lot more. What the traveler does is it actually makes seem reasonable. Okay. Okay. Because there's enough interaction that it makes sense. At the time of this podcast coming out. I will have released a new video review on I knew reineck Nitzia game cold Eldorado. The red watching me play this via the shuttle Instagram. Other game conceives talking about it's really good. So it's also super simple and most importantly shut up and sit down. Now has another racing game. We can recommend isn't flam rish. Wow. Eldorado is a game about expeditions rushing towards bicycles. I can't even I can't joke about other audits about the golden the the mythical goal golden city of L Dorado. And also right now if there's one board game on this podcast that you go out and order, maybe should be Eldorado. So this is an expedition game where everyone has a little wooden piece on a map of large hexagons that contain small hexagons. So like one, oh, it's a forest with a river running through it. And the next heck's winding mountain path the next full of villages. But this is all these X's this big sprawling map that you create before the game begins is your path. It's like your race. It's like a big wild marathon through the jungles. But what you're actually playing. A tech building game, and that's a mechanic web. That's a involved games where everyone has their own deck and to begin with him. I just have some advantages you have a piddly one machete value, which means they can move through a bit of forest, you might have some travelers who have a bit of money. But what you really want is like the trailblazer cards who will blast you through four machete. Axes all the millionaires who will help you just pay your way through like heck's. The heck's. The heck's of encampments by going have some money. Don't kill me. Kill me, some build I guess, but here's the catch. And the way the game works. Let's say it's your turn. Right. You draw cards, and it's machete machete coin coin on your rubbish starting of color. You could use that to go through a machete hacks than which is a jungle hacks go through a jungle go through jungle guy through village go through village, except because I had the board set up. You probably can't do exactly that you probably can't use oil your cards because it might be like jungle jungle than a river, and you don't have little all cards. See can't roll across the river. So any calls. You don't use on your ton though for the movement, you kind instead spend as money the two then by cod that goes into your deck. I really like already. It's you know, it's I can see it my head and I wanna play a little bit like flam Rouge in that. You've got a deck the managing over the cost of the rice. But unlike flam Rouge where you'll debt gets thinner and thinner in El Dorado, it gets bigger and bigger and bigger. So an example of how the game works is. Because also there camp spices whether cost of entering a camp space is you pick any card from your hands and remove it from the game, which which is good, right? Because it means if you go to a competent into the camp, you can take one of the crap cards in your hand and remove it from the game. And as you're buying new and bigger and better carts like Tigers and scientists and native guides. You don't want those crap cards the little bits travelers they're gone. But here's the catch the camps, which which that you remove cards are often not on the racing line through the board. So you're lying. Yeah. It's it's that's how I call it. My review its pitstops. I put in a little loon noise of the Jill being removed from a wheel. Someone removes the cards for the but yes, so it's the game is very much like often because of the board I could go through the jungle or I could take that river route. But because when you buy cards, they go into the discount, so these multiple tons to cycle round, even a chance of join them you need to be building your deck by some what's ahead of you in the in the in the journey. So if you wanna go down that river like way down the line you have to stop buying C camps in early. But then honestly funny thing my favorite thing about the game. And what makes sing is that players can't move through each other. So if someone's porn is in a hacks, you cannot it's not just that you can't stop on that heck's. You cannot move through them, which means and this is like goodness me. It's reineck initiate game design magic you desperately want to be. I if you're I it means you. Can always move to whatever actually want to if your second or God forbid, you're stuck between two players a lot of time. You'll late. Let's Joe your hand of cards and Matt that like the child Blaser who gives you like six machete as great. But the only jungle heck's you could move into your friends on it. Yeah. But so what it's great to be first. And that means okay to begin with. Right. Just that sensible. You just play whatever called you have to be in first place. What that means though is the players who out of the gate don't move and just the upgrading the deck. Like, yes, you're in first place. But those players who didn't move have a way better than you. And suddenly them moving real fast. It's just rock solid. You sound like you'll get a mechanize. Just it. Just sounds great. It can see I can see that. There's like some strange similarities to other race games flam Rouge. They even let you know kind of not wanting to get stuck behind someone if I hear. Yeah. It's just so good. So we weren't talking about it now because I have just on the video. But if you search for shut up and sit down and hold Arado on site or Google or YouTube, you'll find review which is also a review of the first expansion, heroes and heck's is which adds fun. Curses like blank cards to your Dak and heroes like Krista Dundee and Trude evident see references to famous people. I'm not wild about that. But you can hear me complaining about that in my video reviews. Finally, let's do a little talk about what might be the most interesting game. We talk about this podcast. Let's talk about tramways raise lilting, tram Lee. This is a game, which I will leave Matt's describing a second. But despite people on the periphery talking about it at never entered the mainstream. And last night we found out why that is. Yeah. It's a really strange ISA teric all game where extensively what you have to do is built tramways around a city, which has people in it and different types of building leisure places industries owns commercial residences, and we'll see a one residential residential places where people live normal house, and you build tramways, and then you can use the cars in your hand as well to also act as tram tickets to take people to locations to be like swiped there. And then this person is going to travel to a residential every time a person travels along one of your tramways, depending on whether that destination is you'll get some sort of bonus you'll then get net happiness because people have caused love trim the end the game the person with the most happiness in terms of how happy that customers are wins, but of stress so sometimes you do things you can increase the stress of the people driving running on your trams. And that will lose you points in the game the stupid thing if you send. Personality to work, you tend to get money and rewards. You people have stressed they associate your tramways with that's awful tram that takes me to everyday and the love you love, you take him home. And it lowers the stress associated with your train line. Also strangely after anyone rides at tram. They disappear forever. Which means you basically have a board to begin with this full of lots of little wooden meatballs. Who then go home or go to work, and they'll never seen again. And then eventually like more people will appear on the board often, it becomes this. Bizarre. It's one of the most interactive things I've played in a while in the fact that you are all drawing from the same pool of potential customers that will disappear after I've ridden one tram. And then you're also building tramways not just for yourself. But for everyone else in anyone can use anyone's tramways. But using every time you use tramways, you get a combination of happiness points and money based on factors. We don't need to go into. But also if you can build a really good tramway. The people will use but grudgingly. Then you'll just be racking up points and money throughout the whole game. Just because you Bill a great realm. It was so stupid about two thirds of the way through our game. We were looking at clock clock. Why do you have so many victory points at a time doubt? He he owned like two tiny curve in the middle of town, which none of us noticed. But anytime any of us delivered anything we used Clark's. He's like, oh, we got because you had to it was just a little network of tiny tiny, railways, which just was making huge amounts of points, a decent amount of Bank. Whereas I made the mistake very early in the game of looking at the board and not really knowing what it was. And and looking at our kind of initial plots we've been allocated a little bit similar something that lords Vegas of being like this the bits of land, and you can develop into buildings later, and I built some railway tracks basically would just intended to try and get in people's way to be like the Albee annoying. People people won't be able to get out of that. Or? I'll make these weird made his way curvy railways, Abbott because of the way have killed these railways. You can't cross over means. Nobody can go on this. So it's kind of being this Victorian baron villain. Really, my as the most annoying and all of England and the problem with that was nobody actually wanted to use these railways apart from me, and even I was kind of going out of my way. You built the most annoying charm ways. And then and then we'll be no one wanted to use. Even you know, even me, which is like, yeah. I kind of that's kind of the main reason why I could see why this was not like this is an independent game on the published games. Because I just couldn't read what it was. I was using that Chauhan last night, but we should care fi-. It's published by designer who's a lot of success making it there are loads of expansions for it. So it is published and we just talking about how like a publisher with a stable of games would make sense. They would not go near this. It's a sort of thing where you end up smoothing a lot of the edges off of there. And like this is not like it's not criticism. It's just an interesting nature of the fact that like I looked at. Oh, I think it's like this. And it's like, no it isn't. And actually because you didn't get it was in the you're now in an awful lot of trouble. I've never it was the hardest thing to teach I've taught in a long long time partially because like so much of it so much of your options about just wrong. Yeah. I've never teaching game. Had so many people go, oh, and then with this to this God in them at night with this is this is connected to this. No the auction every round begins with an auction, which was everyone to get a new card for their hands. Also determines Blair order. The auction is like nothing I've ever play very strange. This bonkers thing where you put your pimp on your vote. And then when no one else can put that can make the vote the same as anything to the left of them. But when it cycles back background, the first person can still bid what other players bid. Yeah. So your turnover from the previous round how easy the auction is for your next round. Yeah. And also, I mean, it's one of those games Webuye a little time. We play games where it's like the first game is a wash. It's just like you're learning the game and you play again. But my gosh like this game starts being handed four cards and being like one of these hand. I don't know. What's good? Let you have any idea. And then be like right after right into auction. Not only. And decide which when you won't. But the side monetary value of how much is worth. And the fact that is a game where you have this deck of cards, which he cycle through. And you know, like once discard his fallen, you can't draw you then shuffle that open an aunt cards to that. It means you're building a machine, basically. And if machine doesn't work you'll just in a lot of trouble. There are so many traps, it's I don't want to generalize. But in literally every board game ever where you can build like, railways and buildings like those things equally valuable or as in term ways because you build tramways, but then you can build yourself your own parcels of residential or industrial zone, which we just assumed that was willing to do. Jeez. It takes off the table melding all the components stuff buildings must be good. It was only when we finished four hour game of tramways that I was hang on building stuff is awful. The only reason to do it. Because only gets you one victory. It gives you basically that type of building if you build industrial gives you essentially a blank cards not blank, but extremely specific. That's going to be tiny up for the rest of the game. It's the mole buildings you build your putting passengers on the boards. But also, a everyone can use those passengers and be your clogging up your deck with garbage. Yeah. It's I'm really interested to check it out again with the more advanced board where we suspect that maybe there'd be less cities unless location so it will be more on the players to be inventing an economic ecosystem for people to use. I'm curious just to browse all of the expansions because he's put out so far four different ones for each color of buildings as the red green blue and yellow expansions all of which have like three modules to add things like conductors or central train stations. Or literally a dozen other things you into your game. I mean, I found it really interesting and enjoyable, but it was like especially for somebody who's fairly seasoned playing games and understanding games. I fell down like every star in the book. You know, it was. Big like, oh, hang on. The will. You know, these railway workers only to Bill ROY lines. Don't regenerate. And I've used the card. I would have had to have still in my hand at the end to get one back. And then being like, oh, it's fine because I can get another one that's caused by going to one of the blue centers on the blue symbol to Goto blue center tone have any than my hand. No had any of them. Also have any of the red symbols. I assume that they will owner there's no f- and get either of those things I should have been bidding from the first rounds got halfway through. And I think everyone is having a brain moment because I was like kept Santa Quincy. I don't think there's anything I can do. You must have you must must be something. And in my hand, and you oh my gosh. Yeah. It was I I just played the game really badly. And all it say about it. It's one of these things we have these calls that do different things, and you have to tactically think about what you're gonna do with those cards at the star of the round. And you're only ever allowed a maximum three things you can do. And he drowned anyway, so even if you go eight nine cards in hand, it's not gonna make a huge difference. But it reminded me a lot of original brass of being like having this hand of cards that you then have to make a concrete airtight plan with that then gets messed up other people doing things on spaces that you wants to then it's that combined with Tigers new Frattini's having this complex grid game Webuye one tiny power play of clock. Putting that tiny bit of rail between those two buildings like just made him. So many point. It was ridiculous you and I won't by people who are not as fair with mismanagement economic. Laurie light is. He said, I can't really do numbers. And he just absolutely destroyed. You all people offer I'm thinking oh goodness buildings not grading buildings. I was looking at like what felt like a traditional gain point scorer, Laurie just made a brilliant tram. And I was thinking about like, well, let's make loads of money. Meanwhile, lorries light with the game's called tramways, right? What happens if I just build a Radi long long tramway through the middle of the board, and then demolished everyone's I kind of think like we went into it being like, maybe magnate. Maybe it isn't. Maybe it's like we were approaching it being too complicated. We should have just made a big fun railway. I have no idea. But also big row. I I didn't fully enjoy all game tramways because I'm sat like telling everyone you can't do that. You can't do that his the question that's a legal. And despite all of that despite me reading the manual twice on the day. We replayed it before we played it still got to rules wrong. Still forgot that the first player gets whoever wins the first player auction. Also, get stressed and something else to do with traveling. It's very bitty. And it's one of those games again, though, light. We'll we'll from fine with these mad sometimes frustrating bitty Rosie things like for the ring off the ring, and I guess pipeline. It did I did wake up this morning being like kind of like to play that again. But it's so it's so tricky like when you have these games where it's like you literally have to play them once. And then next time you play them you you'll have a good time. I find it so hard to justify those when it's not an experience, which is just like really unique. Oh, magical life a war of the wolf the ring. It's like. It's I get that. Like, there's nothing like it exactly experience where it's like you're gonna have to work for this. But there's nothing like the tramways. Like you said it's a bit bras. It's a bit tiger and Euphrates. It's a bit food chain Magna. Yeah. And yeah, I would probably roll the play. I don't know. I don't there's magic here. And the fact that we both woke up this morning still thinking about it wanted to play it again, if you carry us about tramways, I would definitely give it a Google because I don't think it's the last time you'll hear about it. I definitely want to go back and play some more of it, especially flipping the board. It gave me an almost like a railroading thing of once trail the expansions of being I wanna flip this play with more of a mountain. High wanna flip it and make it harder to build tram? So that individual rail placement is important. I also ready interested in expansions. And I also know that it's kicks thoughts for a massive expansion is out. It's gonna expansion called distort Pia which will be hitting kickstarts later this year the text the game to the moon. What's trams on the moon? My company that I refused to believe it. Yes, that's tramways would definitely. Gonna to be playing it some more and talking about it and trying to figure out what the hell it is time for you to get your blood tested right to go. And I'm going to have an adrenalin test. I think whether just see how rod you are think. So yeah, they've told me like I have to be trying be as radically cannon. Then they're gonna check on the rat Olmeta. They don't endings wrong with my adrenal system. But like, let's check it out. Why not thanks as always listening to the shelf and sit down podcast. We're back in another couple of weeks with some more board and card games. And thanks as always Mr. Steve davick, providing funky sax that so colors this podcast. Thank you very much. Stephen played up funky. Sax DS. Stephen goodbye.

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One Year Later (w/ Lili Michelle)

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You can have that power if you if you want it if you're looking for that yeah and and it's k. To please you know they say no some ocean we prefer new york-based person but Gray onto the show mike. What are we got going on today. So we have a we have a guest and and we're gonna bring in a second but we were going. I was going through the little draft. We had the outline that we had before a when we were thinking about having on and i realized that this is the one year mark of us going into hibernation slash quarantine And we were supposed to have this guest on one year ago. We we were like should we even have her. Everybody had the disease. This person one hundred percent has a disease and senator disease can we were. We were like. We're like oh maybe we should send an uber for this person to come to the wherever we were going to record and ultimately we decided not to do it but then we were going through the outline and it's just hilarious. Because it's just so naive so i wanted to talk about that so that sort of a meta thing we're going to do. We're going to go and talk about our our year. Our year ago outline. And then we're gonna read it out. It's just gonna be hilarious and then we're gonna talk about that with our guest all right bring around and also okay so should return to bring her up and i talk about the story of the week thing. Well now it doesn't make any sense. Because i think you just did this whole thing so we could just bring her up. Okay all right so this this this guest is new york. Stand up comedian writer. She you know the these credits are hilarious. Because i don't even know if these places are open any more than you were comedy club. Carolines comedy greenwich village. These are all credits a year ago. I have no idea around. The closed was in the second season of a a web series. Called critical ashamed was isn't that great featured on sirius. Xm uni radio super phony person. Give it up for lily musha. Lilly bio is so old. Did you not go back to my new website. We didn't we didn't we said no. There's no way she made advances in the past year. We'll keep it the same. What's going on in your last year. Well i don't even know what a year is anymore. You know like. I'm trying to think about it and i'm like what happened this year. Other than just like being inside and stuff what. What should we have updated. What is your big field. Stop and then. You don't even say well it might. I don't i don't like less credits in my new bio is a writer iconic and i catch up chip enthusiasts catch yourself. That sounds like you would've loved true. You say that. Because then i could have told you for him from canada and i love ketchup chips. I say we can't talk about what we can talk about. What is a catch. And also that's your credit. Now i feel these other credits were better. Yeah you've lied grammars other vulture in like other stuff that i've done but i just it's like online everything's online now catch up. Chips are from canada. They're just flavored chips. You've never heard of him. Oh no no. What's what's the brand like lays makes lays. Yeah wow do. They taste like catch up. Is that what the thing is. It dislike catch up but also we all dressed which tastes like ketchup. Barbecue at mike. Salt and vinegar all mixed together Japanese people catch up rice. So we're kind of the same. You and i g does that mean you just put catch up on rice and mix it you put you. It's like fried rice. But you put ketchup in it. And then rapid an attack is pretty good. It's pretty. I love but anyways i would never have thought of you as being a ketchup chip person because on twitter. You're always talking about vibrators. So that's that's interesting. That's a that's a delineation from your. That was a year ago. Okay pigs of chase about plugs. Now's okay fair enough fair enough. Let's outline man we're going to. We're gonna talk to you a little bit more about your you and your whole thing about ketchup chips. Apparently and where. It's gonna be great. So i'm gonna read a little bit of this original outline an original outline from twenty twenty which was as we all know fifteen years ago and we're going to And then we're just gonna just to see this is. This is just hilarious. So the first thing we're going to talk about is the story of the week. Which was what we always do. The story of the week we were going to do one year ago was Mike on email about the virus in his building. Which is my work building. I flew me to right. You got an email that says that. Yeah that used to be like a really really big deal now. it's not. I still get them on my email but nobody cares because i think people just assume but yeah i remember back then like it was a very very big deal that you got somebody at your office had called because they would they would like shut down an elevator but don't use elevator seven or something like that right as if it could only stay in that now we trapped it elevator. That's all we thought back then. That elevators were the answer. You just have okay. That's a good point because it keeps going and then we're going to continue on with. What do we do with this information. And this is hilarious. Some say it's bad. And i think we mean by it. We mean kovin. Some say it's not. What are we supposed to be afraid of what we wrote. I we were so we were deniers own. What's the big deal to five hundred dollars an hour. Remember when like I remember i called you. And i apologize because i found out that i was exposed and i called my house like i just saw you. You probably have it. 'cause i shook hands with the guy who had it right and then we remember when like people would admit to getting it and they were like it's as if it was like the aids at were there like i tested positive. I'll and then you're like well. I guess you're going to die and we just yeah good luck. Oh my god let me know. Let me damn girl. Sorry you like magic johnson. You know like this is the day man. You wear gloves and shit back then or now what. People are so many fun gloves back then. I used to wear clean all my groceries before. I when i brought it in and then it sometime and went out for a while i would take a shower. This is a year ago. Okay you know before you're talking about by plugs. You were talking about five burgers at the time. What were you what were you doing. What are you doing a year ago. And then what was your like things were you in an like. Did you have like day office situation where you had to stop So i had a sales drop where lake. It was cold calling. So i have been doing that for like two years but we we went in and gave all of the best sales reps like laptops and stuff to go home with an we. Were just like joking. Like by and then the next day were all like oh we should go home and like i had to make a big deal of it because they weren't gonna let everyone worked from home and i was like i can't do this. I can't come into work. So then i laughed and then i just remember like crying every day why because i lived in a windowless bedroom and my roommates were one was like an army vet who hated brown people and hated women. It was like what truly like the most toxic situation that you could be in. How do you like literally play. I know i mean craigslist but okay and the other one was just like always on shrooms so i never saw him but i was just so alone and like no windows it was like a rough zuma's crying so you moved during the quarantine or pandemic move. I moved in the summer. Yeah so i moved here in july and then you said so. You moved in the became kitchen girl ketchup chips. I've been catch up girl my whole life. It's my whole identity before. I say that i'm persian. I say i'm catch up to girl. I wanna talk little bit about. How lily and we us know each other. I i met li like a long fucking time ago. Maybe like two thousand fourteen. Two thousand fifteen when fourteen were you working at the lantern like how long two thousand fourteen okay. That's what i wasn't working there for that long i. It was a year ago. That's when i started comedy and so lily used to waitress at this restaurant slash comedy club. Where a lot of open restaurant. it's a dive. It's a restaurant. I made it. It's it's super shady. I would never eat there but again it's in it's in greenwich village and it's like right around the corner from the seller and and it's it it used to be a really bad dive bar restaurant. Mike are know comedy club and he got a little better over the years. But at the time when you were there was a real shithole. Yeah but there's like some history there you know like andrew shoulder. Yeah they're a woman that will last a fixture. It's like a place where people came up. I don't think people coming up there anymore but anyways we i was like doing a lot of open mics there and then i used to sell tickets on the street. You're random people's barking it's called bari. I was out on the street for these two guys. And i'd get stage time and lee would always see me doing comedy that way so i knew as a waitress for like a long time and then like then. I started seeing you at shelves and stuff and i was like wait. Oh you do comedy now and now. You're like famous so what happened chip famous. Yes yeah what happened did you. was it. Just wanna do comedy wiser. Why did you want to start is because you were around it so often. Yeah honestly i would look at me on stage. And i could do a better i. Let's just say that is the biggest comedy inspiration in new york city. If this guy can do it. I can do. Yeah what was it like from your perspective because you probably saw so many acts like do you. Remember those days the lantern days. Yeah of course. I remember those days. I also like i was in college. So i am. I was like at nyu. I was just like working going to class. And i just kind of always loved comedy. Okay but i never saw it as a possibility you know like i never thought that i could have a career because i have very middle eastern parents. So they're not. They're still to this day. Not happy right. There were a way. He's going to say the record. You being waitress but you're in college so it didn't really count. I was in college. Yeah and they hate it into a truly did Did he do the whole thing. The whole whatever law school well okay yeah And so i look. I remember when i was in high school. I wanted to go to college. And i was talking counselor and i was like i really like photography. She's like why. Don't you major in that and i was like. That's a hobby. What did you major in photography. And he hobbies. Yeah exactly and she's like no you could and i was like that's wild so i did. I was subbing psycho analysis studying like stuff about the brain and the behavior. And then i kind of was drawn to comedy in the way that i was like. I can't stop thinking about it. It's like a boyfriend addicted to and then after the lantern. I got fired lantern. What do i do something you hook up with the boss or something like why'd you get fired. No no i got fired because craig fox Are learning yeah. Yeah he so i. I went to the hospital. Because i wasn't feeling well. And i like and then. The next was back at the lantern but i had like chills. This is back when used to be okay to like work when you were sick and cried kept like the door in the winter and like letting this cold air and i was like hey. It's freezing this bar. I'm not won. T please close it. And i kept telling him that and i guess i said i kind of sassy. And then he went to the my boss. My boss fire. Yeah i wish i. Oh that's that's the worst story than you sleeping with the boss. You know i. I think it was line piling up. That was just kind of the final straw because like i was very opinionated person so i kept being like. You should do. Mike's at three pm. It'll bring revenue and like these comics. Want the stage time. And then i had all of these ideas from what they should do for the bar and then they ended up doing it as soon as they left. Which is the worst rocket. It's like are you kidding me. Well that they told me. I was like stepping out of line for that. But they did. They did a start. Doing more predatory practices. I would call it ak opening having having open mics at three o'clock but you you hadn't started doing stand up then you were. Yes so then. I started working at the stand because i knew someone that i knew drove the manager. He hit me up being like. Hey we need a waitress. Do you want to work here. And i was like sure. I'll just love comedy so much. I'll be around forever but i like never thought i'd have the balls to do it and then working mare and then i lived with To comics and then as use like they both comics are like just. Try it and see if right i never. I've never understood it when people like there's some people who love producing shows and just being around comedy but i always think like. That's the worst part of being around comedies. The worst part the being on stage is the best part anything else. Besides that is horrible. So you're very already there. We gotta take the power you know like the power of being able to book and stuff That sounds awful. But okay. I get it some. It's disgusting. I want to keep going with so Continuing on with the year ago. Outline this is. This is kind of what we were talking about. So originally in the original outline we had a part about where we're going gonna talk about what is what is comedy going to be like. An kovin and these are hilarious. So is key. Stand up comedy quote unquote done for the next year and then have your show's been canceled. Do what are people what what are what. Are you going to do with all this extra time. I think we all know now with know that we just cry at people's to make it big or be dog walkers what are they gonna do what they do like. I feel like what happened to. I feel like a lot of people. Quit but i can't really remember what i don't think so. I think a lot of people. I think are still a big open maxine. I think there's still a lot of comics. Maybe not as many nobody. I think that's two things. I'm going to ask one. Is i think people talking about the people we came up with. I think a lot of them quit. And we don't know but i but i do know there's an influx of comedians. Who just moved here like somebody. This is crazy. Somebody emailed me on my website and was like this. This is such a so on brand from either like hi. I saw you link din. And i'm impressed with your comedic background. I was wondering if i could like. I'm spying comedian. From ohio and iowa. I could just talk to you and learn more about this. I was like yeah whatever. I'll talk to you. So i said yes. I'm talking on tomorrow. But it's like people are i mean. He's on the fifteenth comedian. I've talked to have met who have decided to move to new york city during the pandemic. You know so. Do think that like people are leaving but also like people are also starting. I don't know they do have you been doing. He's been like. I mean. I don't know who you hang out with or whatever but like have you met these new comedians who were like fucking moving here now to do comedy in new york city with that kind of barely exists. I mean i've met people. That are like open mic irs. Now there are open. Mics clubhouses big on open mic. And stuff like you could just test out your jokes they're People are starting but the thing is is that like. They're starting at a time when they have nothing else to do other than comedy. That's right so it's like once once you can party again. Are you still going to do comedy. You know yeah I feel me that the person who emailed you from your lincoln it that that person is also very crazy fumi vibes and it's this person from ohio so i'm wondering if this is actually just you from the past email yourself now. Can i have some advice. I wouldn't be surprised. i don't even know. Are you from ohio from ohio. But i told him in. The second one was like listen. I'm happy to talk to you. But just fyi famous or anything can't help you. But he liked. He didn't say you're famous. He said i like your like your com comedic background. I know a link did really like i have my regular stuff on there like i worked in advertising. And i've never had a beat your son. Yeah i gotcha moment. it's your son. I can't even i had. This is the second time somebody has reached out to me and like has asked to like have coffee with me to talk about comedy. It happened like four years ago. And i don't have anything for years ago and i just kept being like listen. I don't know anything but you can come to my office if you want and i'll talk to you. And now he's like he's like this like gay kid from north dakota or something and he's got like this amazing show and he's far surpassed me but it's like i just think about that sometimes about the people who asked me you asked me for advice and then they just don't take any of it and then the become famous. Well do you think. Maybe they're asking for what not to do. Yes i think you wanna look. They wanna look. Failure is we're not the same in science class. look at pictures of like diseases. You know these are the bad ones you know. It's like that okay. I won't do this. Don't start a comedy. Podcast nation asian. 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Say because you tweet about a lot. I don't know if you wanna talk about that right now. Yeah let's play this game. This game is called what you mean by that. Whenever we have a non east asian guests on this podcast we go the tweet feed and we search for key asian words and we see what you've been saying about us and what we've noticed as i searched zuma michelle asian zero results than i searched lily. Michelle anal nineteen results. So that's kind of what we're dealing with right now but before we get to before we get to the Before we get to the anal stuff. I did source for other asian word. I searched for rice yet. One tweet about rice and this is from twenty eighteen and you said on this is from november. Thirteen twenty eighteen. And you wrote. I want to get to the point in my life where i don't wake up and eat fried rice. What is you mean by that lily. I i. This is the time in my life. I lived with two comics. Who were also potheads and we smoke pot all night and we'd order food and then the next morning the fried rice would be next to my bed and kind of turn over and finish the fried rice. I like asian fry. Chinese food fried rice. That's what we're talking about. I did that this morning. I woke up. And i was hungry and it just may. I just made fried rice. I didn't realize until. I read this tweet that that's like a sad thing to do. Well at least at least made it. You know lillies literally bed. Fried rice bed fried rice. Some bad it was bad bad bad bed bad. that's heaven mouth. So why wouldn't you wanna grow okay. We we have these other anal ones. You wanted to do these co worker. Okay when does it tweet. This november eleven. Twenty nine hundred. Kohei coworker says hey. How was your weekend me. I did not have you done anal. Yes how was it for you do it. Did you do it that weekend. November eleventh twenty nine. Think so it's funny. 'cause november eleventh is remembrance day so i really really want and on remembered today but yeah so i did. I was with my ex. I i tried it. It was fun. And then i tweeted a lot about it and now people are like like. Hey it'll sex stuff. And i'm like no gay. Didn't like once it is funny. I mean then the next one Two days later. I did anal once. It got a new personality. This is very much fumi and he got one. He got a flashlight once and like now. That's his whole brand. That's a whole brand. So i think that's perfect. This break up is not doing you. Fried rice lights fried rice and flashlights. Oh my god. I look mike. Maybe we can talk about this thing. We didn't talk about up top. Okay yeah sure this thing i was gonna talk about. Yeah so this thing. I was gonna. We're gonna we're gonna we're gonna talk about this and we can talk about. You know you're you're you're you got immigrant parents and shit so i've been thinking recently about Getting a master's degree. And i was thinking about getting one in this is this is where i differ from other comedians. I was thinking about getting one in history. Why just in. General history like history. Okay question do you. Do you like to spend money on things that make no difference i do. That's why i'm in comedy. That's that is my thing. So i was like researching it because to your point. I didn't wanna spend a lot of money on doing this. Os trying to find like a program. You're gonna cuny was like oh maybe yes. Exactly there's cuny and there's like Masterclass history teaches the collects. Can you can you imagine if somebody took a bunch of masterclasses was like do. I have a master's degree now. chess That's not how it works. So i was thinking about getting in history because i'll be because i read history all the time i love reading history. I have a history book about vietnam war a note about just general. I have are you. Are you a forty five years old. He's pretty close pretty close but us forty five the father. But i'm pretty close. And i've been i've always loved history. I love reading history books. Well let me let me ask you this. Why now like why. Not before. And then what do you want to do. A for funsies does have to be a master's degree or you're just take class. You know so. That's a good point. And i think the reason why is because you know i. We always have all these hot takes. Comedians always hop takes on stuff. And like i'm always on. I'll be on twitter. And i'll be reading lillies anal tweets. It'll be like Hot takes everywhere. And i never feel like anyone is saying anything really insightful. It if that makes sense. Like i never heard salt my anal tweets. Here's the thing those don't have anything to do with history. So if you combine anal tweets with history. I think that'd be cool but for me. Never feel like comedians are ever write about anything but you just have a riff but like he's tired of it. I mean that's that's the hand gasping thing right like why do people give so much like. Why do people expect so much from comedians. Like why would you ever expect to learn anything. Comedian totally wrong. Yeah no that's what i'm saying but and it was just tired of it so i was like wow. I've always loved history. And i was like well. What if i tried to actually learn something instead of just having a hot. Take all the time plus i was wondering i mean i'll be honest with you i i don't i don't do anything useful any ever. I mean you know we. We do this podcast. It's not useful so for me. I never was like oh. I want to get his master's degree so i could like have bitter career or something like that. It just made it just like something. I really liked. I was like oh well. What if i tried to do this. So i was just something i was thinking about doing. Well i think the anti comedy. That's i think that goes along with this theme of. I think a lot of because you know we've been doing for a while. I don't know how long you've been doing it with me. But like i have friends now remembering i. I have friends who've quit and gone to coding academy now they code for tesla like fuck and right. I think i don't think it's test level. Like jake from a coder now and he makes a lot of money he just you know what i'm saying. So it's like. I think we're at the point. Where like if you do something you chase your dream or whatever it is for. How many many long and because you're thirty two or whatever it is now you start to kind of face reality and i have a lot of friends which i'm not gonna name. Who are starting to kind of think about things like grad school and or working for their parents. Were just kind of like looking at everything in. I'm thinking about that too. I mean how are you. Are you that much younger than me. I feel like you're not like before. I'm twenty six. I'll see you fucking twenty six okay. You're still young. you've been doing it for like two years you three years. Okay what does that. I mean i think during the quarantine i think. A lot of people have had these thoughts but like what does that bang for you. Have you had these thoughts. You have friends who are having these thoughts and is kind of like yeah. What's your experience been like with that. Yeah it's just kind of like this is not unless you're making a lot of money. Like unless you're tim dillon. Or like like a tv writer. Something like unless you've a huge following and you're making that much money like you're not really like cultivating something that could like get such a risk. And so what i'm thinking about now because my parents are in my head and i just spent three months with them. It's like why. Don't i just go to grad school. Well to go to grad school. Or maybe i'll go to grad school for history. Though i yeah go ahead go ahead but get like a skill that you could actually like fall back on See that's again. We're we're not the same okay. I'm getting history. Degree is not useful. I wouldn't go into teach. I would just have it. I think it'd be sweet to have. And i just like i like learning about history so i might as well get the degree in but if you wanted to go what would you get a degree in. We're have design our. Ui design okay. See that's useful. See ya good. You don't have to go to grad school from that. There's like all these like What's the like objectors. Whatever right or like. I'm sure there's like a google thing. Hope you do that you know. Is that what you wanna do. If you don't do comedy le let's go around and talk about what we would do if you had to quit comedy today. No i think i'd be an interior designer interior design. Is that really a career career career. Are you my mind. Your mom sumit's is absolutely no position to anyone. He's getting hit up on lincoln county. So don't hold on your do whatever whom he wouldn't do. So you have a great career ahead of you so you would to do that. Interior design design. I do love writing and but like at the same time. that's so one of the persian authors wrote funny in farsi and like everybody loved that book. I have heard of it so i met her and she basically we were on the phone and she goes yeah. Being an artist sucks. And like i made a lot of money in the now. I don't make any money and it's like okay. This is still like admire you know. And now she's like don't do it. Well there's so many people we've met on this podcast who are successful writers mingeon lee and stuff like that and remember she when she was on here. She almost one wondering like the national book award. And she's an she she still a writer but she's like oh. I just got a teaching position at some schools like whatever some some nice an amherst h. I finally have what is it called andrews. That was her big thing. And i was like. Oh my god you know. She's like a real like career person with a with a book and she's accessible but still worrying about health health insurance. So i get it you know but i would say don't don't don't do that because you you're you're actually. I mean we need. We need that ketchup chip energy. Yeah who else is gonna talk about ketchup chips. That's what gets you up in the morning every day. Yeah i'm the sole representative of to me. What would you do You know i i. I worked in like normal corporate for like a long time. And what i really hate regardless of what i'm doing is not seeing the fruits of my labor that it's so painful and even if you're making so much money like like it's it's really hard to work without a purpose. I think right. And i think that's why like y- comedy sucks but like it's very satisfying in a way that a lot of office jobs are not because you. If you're funny then you hear laughs and you feel good and it's like a very like one to one to one relationship and like it's just easy to kind of like measure your growth and just i don't know it just it just very straightforward right and my name might not funny. I get laughs that i bomb. Whatever so i don't know i mean part of me wants to just like work on a pineapple farm the other half just honestly like i think i don't know like something in education. Maybe working with the kids know they work with kids. You know my god that would be awful. I would think so would immediately warn the people. Do not hire you. Do you wanna work with kids. Seem tall like. I don't know college students energy catch up. I catch up chip girl energy. Yeah yeah fumi ever have you read marx. I know i'm getting you more to getting you more tomorrow. Marks know why the fuck would have remarks. does he have to donate where what you just described as what marx talks about all the time farm. No yeah ailing. Workers feel alienated from the products. They have because the the way that capitalism works is that you're worker and you never it used to be that like you're a worker and like your shoes you would work. I would make shoes. Here's issue. I make issue. I sell the shoe but now workers don't have that right. We make something you work all day. We don't see what we make somebody else sees what we make and then you get paid but you feel alienated from the thing. Therefore that's the whole thing about alien nation. I think that's the biggest. What's happening differs biggest difference between my old job in your current job. I think is that we both worked in like marketing. Or whatever you wanna call it. But i feel like you maybe see the fruits of your labor a lot more clearly and so i feel like you like your job because of that and then i think a lotta people are in my position. Where like you making these decks. And you're like who the fuck is this four. I think company should do this. And you spend all this time doing you fucking presented and you're like okay. Let's move on your next client kit kat. And you're like okay. What was the other company going to do what i send to like. We don't care because already paid. And it's like i'm gonna get you the marx engels reader and marks. I thought he was problematic. Wasn't he wasn't he capitalism. I thought he was like a. He's matic what do you mean. He's a huge communist. You're like what are you not bad. Genius he was. He's totally right about it. All this stuff. We always gets upset. And i know everyone's going to get up on me because of do apple. But he's a genius and he everything you described marx described. So everyone's oh you know. I feel i don't feel like a connected to my thing. And then here's a guy who d- who predicted that a hundred years ago and nobody reads them and then all he's a he's a communist. Fuck that's supposed to me. This is why. I want to read history. This is what this is so you can. School people in comedy podcasts google. So we're all so happy just being stupid. Y'know in this is. It's it's funny. I i would rather be so stupid. That'd be smart. Like i think about like the people like you know the the people that are in a frat or a sorority and then they go they get a dumb job and they have a girlfriend boyfriend. They get a gauge. They're totally i'm like. I wish i could do that. Yes one hundred percent a hundred percent. Would life be something like i like those girls who post pictures of cakes on instagram and seventy likes them. They're just happy. I wish i could be sounds so now. I have I have. I have a whole i was on a on clubhouse in there are there are people whose hold personality is that. They just graduated quarterback that house. I showed you the clubhouse where it was like. nyu girls it was called it was like nyu girls roasting tech grows or something like that right. Yes oh i saw that one run in. It's very popular but like the whole thing is like we just graduated like the. That's like that's their personality. Which is fine. And they're very they're killing it do you. Do you think you were always this way or do you think you were at one point and kinda. We're kinda cool with the. Hey let's go to happy hour. Let's do this and that's it go to bed nine. I think i've had moments being basic but from day one good break out of your mouth was on your like i hate this. I hate the already snowing i on. Yeah i think. I could lobotomize myself to be just a regular person i would if i wasn't. I wish i could just not be a creative person but yes it is and now i'm here with you guys so yeah i wish like painting. My nails made me feel creative. You know like. I wish that was the thing that all my god. I know people who make an entire day. Oh my god. Yeah i can cool you know now. I'm not saying like designs thing you know right. That would satisfy me in my creative ways like i. I can't do it. yeah. I know what you mean. There's there's a lotta times when you know. When i i've been at jobs where people are just like making little powerpoint decks and they're like so into the business thing and and i'm like wow they are really killing in this business thing and they go out of money and i'm just like you know i i don't get it you know i. I don't understand. I just want to make jokes the whole time like in my mind. I want to talk about how ridiculous it is that we make power points and we get money for it worked very funny that we just put some graphs on there and people make like one hundred thousand dollars right if i like. You know the thing about history. You know if i go back to two hundred years and i'm i'm in vietnam in in In eighteen twenty. And there's like a rice farmer. And i'm like hey rice farmer what are you doing. he's like. I make rice with this ox. And and i have rice. What do you do in the future. And i'm like well. I use a computer to put a triangle into a slide to show grow money for that. And get money for that and he would be like you're a witch and burning a wide ranging conversation. Yeah i enjoyed. Let's wrap it up like we're at forty five wrap it up so Let's rapid come on ten are working our fans find you. My my social media handle is lille's michelle l. i. Ls michelle on everything. You can also find social media. Asia is in part or also on the. The aby and you can find me on instagram at nice. Pass bro. please come to our zoom. Stand up comedy show every other friday. The next one is going to be march. Nineteen the one. After april second and don't forget to leave us a review at i tunes if you're an apple podcast. Listener enjoyed her patriot. Peon dot com slash asian. Not asian pod lily. Thank you so much for time. raw gonna join mike in his endeavors. To join or get a master's degree will be there in your masters degree lily Do not become a us designer Because the money is too good and you will stop doing comedy. So but i'm going to send us to my dad taught. Yeah tell tell him about that. And they anal jokes so yeah i think that's it. I think they know we'll see you next week. A conference tournaments are tipping off. Bubble teams are making their final push. Top seeds or preparing for what they hope is a long run draftking sportsbook. America's top rated sportsbook app is putting new customers in the center of the action at four dollars on an underdog when two hundred and fifty six dollars if they win. It's that simple. That's bet four dollars on an underdog in select college basketball games and if they win you collect two hundred and fifty six dollars. The bank is open. Download the top draft king sportsbook app and use code art. 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Podcast #91: The 2018 Pearple's Choice Awards!

Shut Up & Sit Down

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Podcast #91: The 2018 Pearple's Choice Awards!

"Thou. Hello and welcome to the very ninety. I shut up and sit down podcast. My name is Matt leased joined by Quinton Smith, aloe. Matt lease and this is a podcast all about ball games, four games and the people who love them. What if I like card games? Well, we have this along people say, oh book games like monopoly, and we like to think of board games as being a big manger full of lots of different kinds of manger. Yeah. I was trying to think of stable is what I went. I went full on big JJ. So get Kagame's board games party games. Big strategy games. We like all kinds of games in the game rainbow. And yeah, it's all fair game. It's a broad church. I like fair game was was that deliberate. No, okay. Well, let's move on today. We're going to be talking about a few games. We're gonna be talking about wingspan an economic game about managing birds. Yes. You heard that? Right. We're gonna be talking about chronicles of crime the game about being a detective, the is similar Tena Z cartoonish and gory as heck we're gonna be talking about franchise a game wishes. He'd played. And we're gonna be talking a little bit very quickly about ASO sh- Masol, aka woodlouse, chaos back on the older little card games with horrible animals on the dry, measure, ugly animals bucks. Isn't it ugly bugs, I'll be is a better name? I mean is classic arguable. Then finally, we're going to have a very special podcast because it is time to introduce and also go through the winners of the peppers choice awards. Am I natural staying in there? It's better than me just doing annoys himself. Every year the shut up and sit down forum users all vote, they have a little experiment with democracy. And they all aside, it's quaint. But of course, we are the fascist overlords. We've all had a little experiment with democracy heavenly. We have spoilers hasn't worked. And so, yeah, we're going to be naming what they thought was like it's really are games of two thousand eighteen episodes until about the best game production best game as with most websites. We're doing our games of two thousand eighteen in March. Yeah, don't happen there. I liked how you describe this competition last year when you said the pebbles choice awards was an opportunity for audience to decide whether mom and dad were bad and wrong. Yeah. That's accurate. Sorry. Well, we've got a lot to get through this episode. That's quickly cover some game. I'm going to briefly talk about wingspan because people have been waiting very patiently. It's been awhile since I lost podcast episode. And I said though, everybody spoke about wingspan on the next podcast a month ago. People know that you love birds as well. Literally cannot get enough in the same way that anything to do with eggs happen on the internet. And I get lots of people forwarding it to me. You must have the same thing with birds. Yes, together, though, our interest for one complete my form. But which interest came I oh, it was you're interested in X before I was interested in birth. True. Okay. Well, anyway, so wingspan is a game. The curiously has the race for the galaxy. A in my opinion, it's a monsters complicated Sifi card game from awhile back. This is a lot simpler. And I I the production is wonderful. You open this box. You have these beautiful watercolour aviary, Playa boards that you put it in front of you. You get our bags is it and this game is it would you say an egg gin builder. Yeah. I actually would. And you're going be building an engine with birds, and then you're going to be placing little plastic eggs on those birds come in a variety of Paso colors. I wasn't. I did just think of that. Then I wasn't sitting on the three-month like an egg. And that wasn't saying on that either. Thank you you talk about the game. Now. Thanks. There's hundreds of birds in this game. Matthew, there's a massive deck of cards like literally something one hundred fifty birds even one hundred birds in the real world, you know, what not only one hundred fifty bucks in this game is one hundred and fifty birds just exclusively from North America. What I know turns out the world stuffed with birds. So what you do in this game is you're trying to get points. And you get points from variety of things. That's that's just describable game. Yup. So more practically you have this aviary board in front of you. And you have a hand of birds, but cards and on your turn you're going to do one of several things you can draw additional birds you can acquire food which a number of big chunky custom dice that you roll to see this turned the world is full of caterpillars or you roll the minister acorns, so you can acquire food you can draw new birds you can play birds you can lay eggs on birds which victory points. But here's the catch when you play a bird like say, Matthew. I dunno. You've got something craps Finch. Oh, gone with this. Let's a goldfinch or and you wanna play that goldfinch. You're gonna put it into your aviary. You play out of your hand. He spent some food the venture was given a Caterpillar now lives with you forever. But when you play a bird, you decide which row to play it in. So let's say you played the Finch in the different bird can be different slots. But let's say you played that sweet sweet little Fench. And that's going your food section like the food row. That means that whenever you spend your turn collecting foods. The Finch is the finches power is going to trigger. Okay. Now, let's say it's light game. And you spend your time collecting foods. You got all the birds you ever played in that right for the whole game. So suddenly power the Finch triggers, which means you draw random bird, and then the vulture triggers, which means lion egg, then the goose triggers, which means you get an additional food. And so you kind of building up Combo's, basically, and the you're trying to balance the best row of birds, which is just the buds that lay eggs and get victory points with actually needing the buzz help you develop your engine, which is the birds job Erz and the birds the help you got food and save as I usually do this is my worst trait is aboard. In critic of saved the best for last every bird card. In addition to lovely illustration has a factor. That birds facts, I know, it's it's alright. So you're just trying to build together a sequence of things which are gonna pop off in a pleasingly elongated combo, Justin. It's stalling realms. Yeah. It's not. I just wanted to say that because it's not drafting and not drafting so it's not like, I'm just wrong. I just want to say styling that's considered stalk around. We'll tell you what it's closer to raise for the galaxy. Do you want to come up with as I'm talking about the next thing a bird pun to do with race to the galaxy rock for the galaxy? Raucous a mythical birds if they wanted to expand for this mythical birds that would be interesting so I'll cut to the chase. 'cause we do have the peppers choice coming up. I think it's all right. The production is gorgeous. It's got. I mean, this is this is so fussy, but like the box has this late linen. I think it's a linen finish. Which means the boxes self is kind of textured like you can run your fingers over it, and it sort of texture there. But it's so fine that you couldn't identify whether it's lines or hatching or whatever it's just like your experience artifact. Yeah. Well, it's you, you know, let them finish playing cards that you rub them and they're not completely smooth. And it's like very well who. Yeah, you do. Well, the the it's not the fact that the box itself wingspan is so nice is indicative of just how much TLC they're put it to everything inside little legs. Look, really good. There's legs. And this kind of this may be a metaphor for the game. You don't just roll the big chunky, and they're enormous beautiful wouldn't food Dyson wingspan. You put them into the. The back of a of a dice tower that looks like a birdhouse rattler other birdhouse they fall out the baseline low birds food. That's very sweet just for the record. I've I've stopped spending cycles on trying to think of a bird pun for race for the galaxy. Okay. It's distracting when hearts if you can do that. Then do Papa comment on the website. Chauhan's wanna move. We'll pick the best one feature as common. Oh, yeah. Good luck with. Yes. So everything is beautiful. The cards are lovely dystonia. Wouldn't is eggs the problem. Quince the games. All right. So I mean, but what people should know is if people said to me Quincy overpowering spent I would say sure, which if people have listened to even some episodes of this podcast. They will know man, I played like coming close to thousands of ball games at this point. If we say we play a board game that's like high praise and if people want to get wingspan, they definitely could it's lovely. It's it's the design itself didn't excite me. It didn't enormously. Impress me. It's it's relaxing. It's quite interesting fan of birds though, as well like, yeah. I mean, I going to feel like usually in the same way whenever we review Star Wars games were like, it's okay. But if you have those great you love birds, and I don't think you don't. Yeah. If they were going if any board game was going to corrupt me and give a good review to something. That's not that great. It would be wingspan the production quality of it looks super. And as we have seen like, really solid. Production. Quality does result in lots of people buying games enjoying them. Yup. Simone. Yup. And they've done a lot of jobs production. The theme is so unique. And so lovely I've never played anything within quite like this. Although I'm not entirely sure what's happening that the birds in your aviary, then join your evil empire in helping you get more birds stuck in the he got a make birds together aren't making omelet without breaking a few eggs. That's I mean, I kid if I wasn't trying to describe a game I could have worked in as a judge that you're gonna say coming home about breaking if you're birds, let's see that's working as joke. Yeah. It's so difficult to entirely pinned down with like nebulous card games and engine building games. Why they do that work? But yet there was nothing about wingspan that was enormously sort of exciting up that's another game, which fails to win the lustrous show up and sit down Quincy with super bird fan award. Obviously, I prepared a three D badge for that too gone boxes years ago. And we just yet to find the game is going to get that. Yeah. Alternate bird fan Quinta Smith ultimate bird fan award. I do know that no pun included are working on video review of wingspan. We're not gonna be doing video review. But I know that I believe they feel quite similar to me. So while shut down where we're doing video review, if you want to know more about wingspan than nobody included are doing review, and you know, what I might be recording a couple of segments for that review. Auditory? Yeah. It's funny as we mentioned open included for those of you who do not live outside of the podcast, all we recently recorded on our twitch. Channel a how many hours nine hours we playing for nine hours is the actual recording the video nine no. The the video itself of the game will be up eight hours we streamed for nice, suite eight hours, just a little cool eight hour game of twilight imperium, my pulled out all the stops. Of course. You get a dire. You did a an ova Photoshop overlay of the Maud. Yeah. We we basically really tried when you it's a long game. So we tried to have as many elements could to keep it entertaining. But also keep it so people could follow the game. And again idea of what was going on that's going to be on YouTube in the future. If you listen to this now, and in the recent terms, then you'll be able to go and watch on the twitch on demand. Actually, would you recommend doing that? Because it's quite cool being able to see all of the comments that went as they go because the community onto which if you'll pardon people works things and comment long. It's a joy for us to go back and watch people chatting about it because it's so interesting. So funny, it's a lovely community. You know, I used to tell people to go and watch it on twitch. Because the comments are just funny, but actually watching imperium back, I found twitch in addition to being really funny and adding a layer of jokes over the entire experience to also has people be like it's interesting that did this move when he could have done this. And actually all I pointing out plays. We didn't do why were in in trouble. And I thought I was quite covered. Like, there's one particular invasion. I did in the game TI that was quite set of IFO quite dramatic. So that watching it back to its I'd been like Quincy would be an idiot. If he didn't. Also, watching the explosions of excitement of just having moments where suddenly everything just blows up being to like not watch it live. But then still have apartments shame. We can't archive that completely. But yeah, as we said on the internet, we are going to be trying to put some of our favorite joke comments embedding them in. I think just because it's such a big meeting loves now. But it was going to say is we had no included playing with us. And they just reviewed them now boarding, which is something I'm more Dipak into I played it to players, and I quite liked it. But it was one of the things that just slipped off the review stagnant and go back to the wall. Yeah. There's just too many games too. Many games games. Let's we want to chronicles of crime. Why wouldn't we chronicles of crime or Guinness? How would you describe chronicles of Matthew chronicles of crime is a pretty good game? In which you are. Detectives trying to solve crimes and it's a game which has red flags ribbon through it like stick of rock. And maybe think this is going to be good. Because what does it do? Well, first of all skill QR code which actually weirdly the third act. I was not expecting in my life is that I'm actually coming round to cure after years of repeatedly going who uses QR Japan have figured out Japan's QR codes that just caused their society to be more efficient. They've just been like what the hell are these things? Why weren't they die to now being like, okay? No, they're great. But I think it's because the technology just better, and they just work that now. But yeah. So you've got pure codes for one which is not ideal. You've also got thing which allows you to put your phone into some of three d glasses and look at three crime when you get to a crime scene, you lift up your phone in front of your eyes, and then can physically move your body. Yeah. And then the looking around. And the really around a window into another room where you can look for clues which sounds which lame thing is it sounds Nath. Right. It sounds Naff. You these two things that basically think that's a gimmick. The surprisingly it's very good and one the reasons it's very good is because the fact that like uses is gimmicks to its advantage within the game on rather than just having them as a sideshow. Right. So immediately the thing I wanted to say about this since we played it all those months ago, we gave a really rough ride detective, which I just saw one one of just recently detective modern crime board game one one of France's biggest game of the year awards. A lot of people love that lot of people. Love is great for them. We had a few problems with it. But a lot of it was to do with tax tax was implemented in how the mother was wrapped around the tax chronicles of crime is one of these games in the style of detective Sherlock, Holmes consultant detective and other board game. We really like where you'll give a puzzle and you simply have to get the answers. You navigate an environment. You've on your friends will play cooperatively. You decide. Are we wanna go? Oh here interview, this person, go to this other place show this person this evidence, the Phoenix, right? Video games. If you've played that. Yeah. And then at the end, whether you went on our is a simple as you decide when you are done and the apple okay? Well, who did the crime and the who like occupational specific questions who was this person? But I to who was this person being blackmail to. And you don't know what those questions are going to be if you really understand the crime, you should never Trump. Yeah. And we finally got the end of it. And we really felt like we had cracked the main crime, which we had. But then as questions about stuff more like we didn't. So we didn't know about that. The main reason the QR codes work in the maze reason, it's interesting is not a gimmick is the simple way that this works is every item of evidence every location and every character card has a QR code the game. Interestingly has no text which is also super clever because it means manufacturing the game. It's language independent. They can ship the same copy to any country, almost I guess actually don't think of it the manual, but more importantly than that is the fact that it makes adaptable. And this is a game where. Why you get a handful of cases with the game. And then there's more you can buy because the game is basically run through an app on a phone. And it means you can play more cases. And it's really clever about it is you just have a deck of cards, which are faces that are have names that just a picture of a person. And it means that these archetypes of whatever this looks like can be used in different cases as different people like somebody can be a victim. And then the next time they can be a culprit, and they get a different name different backstory. But what's wonderful about this? One of them was a dog wasn't it. Yeah. I think there's a there's a monkey is. Okay. So you've got a deck of potential characters that can be reused in different scenarios. Then you have like a deck of locations, which again can be reused, then you have all of the crime things very nonspecific like upland object or like the crime cards. The crime Carter will just different aspects like poison which can be like all sorts of different things. And then basically if you wanna find evidence than you just scan that QR code and add it to the things you found and also the game. Knows what you found them. Was you interview people? It's the simplest being like, I wanna ask this person about this scandal thing, you wanna ask them about scan the absolute magic so rather than in indetectable modern current board game or even Sherlock Holmes consult detective, you might have the well consultant detective has thing that you talk to a suspect. And he just tells you everything detective modern crime board game. We'll have you talking to a suspect going. Well, do you want to leave him alone or spent five minutes, really like grilling 'em, like a kipah, whereas chronicles of crime, actually, despite looking more childish having what we thought was a gimmick has something so much more powerful. Which is you can talk to literally any character about literally any location any other character any other piece of evidence because you find someone who you think is the murderer Scott murderer scan park and your character. Ask them about the park or scan murderer poison awesome about poison and it's not free because every single time. You scan it deduct five minutes off the clock five in game minutes and chief is like he got us solve this case by the end of the. Day. So you have total freedom and yet more pressure more tension more intensity. But I think also the pace of makes the difference. Because when you know that every time you do something you're going to have to lose time. And that was the same thing in detective of being like, we're we're here. Now, what should we do in this? You just end up being like because you can do things so quickly you can do like three or four scans. And a couple of seconds. You can just have an idea and before you know, it if you're the one holding the phone just done it asking about on nothing. And then you've got the fact that each character is person in front of the has a different character that like, oh, yeah. One of those every case starts with somebody who has the people who work with you the police station. So someone might have the hacker in front of someone else might have the like, the forensic scientist. Yeah. So it's like, oh, let's ask the forensic scientists about this. And in a way that just semi formalizes assistant to make sure that you're passing the phone around, which is interesting rather than being let you have the laptop person. I mean, somebody will be using the phone for then. Oh, that's the friends. Scientists because that's in front of me, you pass the phone to me, and I have a go. And even the the starve each case, you get this little crime scene. You can look at which really was often quite gory. But also set the scene and set the tone. It's funny isn't it because it's not it's not like entrails splattered around. It's. You know, what for all the detective really wanted to nail the feeling of being a detective and some ways it does. Because it covers the administrative side of being a detective where like there's a piece of evidence from twenty years ago, and you have to find another piece of evidence in a box from thirty which is a real popping. Police chronicles of crime did something that was another big placement. Which is the very first utero case. It goes, oh, there's someone found by a river go to the crime scene, and you never that the phone in front of your eyes, and you see a river you til the phone up, and you see the sky until the phone down. And you see a corpse, and it's not disturbing. But like, it's shocking. You know, it's not gory. But there are some crimes in chronicles of crime. Nothing's nothing's particularly like PG v v turnaround others dead body. But it feels really close to you and everything else shocking. Yeah. Absolutely does. And I think another thing I'd say about it really in the way that it uses the technology in the way that uses the freedom that technology gives it of not having. Have loads of writing on cards many such contrast when we play detective where we were playing on a full-size table. And every time we were reading these cars allowed to another and funniest getting tired of because of his Buddy Ryan about salads and Coco's lunch breaks and stuff. But also as the game went on. We just had this kind of slightly messy pile of previous cards of evidence. Yup. Intermingled with the text of things that was important with this like stuff about how many corridors you walk down to get to the canteen, etc. So that trying to go back and understand the case. Remember characters carries with his name. Our this is what shocked me so yet. Sorry. The thing that's magical about it is we play detective on a full-size table. We played clinicals crime on a coffee table with substantial space, and even despite that it was so much easier to follow and visualize. The plot of what happened in this case because you just looking at a collage of faces hang your legs. You're like that guy. Did this this person bought drugs of this person met them here? And there maybe they sold this person this person, some of the storylines really dark and involve. Yeah. Detective on crime story. High can have like four people, which is basically four full names like Peter Hendrickson. And I'm lost. Yes. Whereas of crime can have some like some of the more difficult cases had like sixteen characters Yemane. If those were names, I could never remember them, but sixteen faces piece of cake. Yeah. Because he's just you visualize them. You can see it's it was really a huge apprise me. I'd love to play some more Davel. Now, we're talking now hearing talk about it. I think it's it's everything board games can be with so much of the book impress going crazy for detective modern crime ballgame I think we've got a cover chronicles a crime kids. It's it's it's nothing. It's Royal effortlessly gets around so many the problem detective detective stumbles into. But also, I feel like yeah. Everyone's me so much Phoenix. Right. Which is for the. Don't play video games is arguably a game about being a lawyer. But basically, our lawyer ended detective, and even though there's games idiosyncratic and annoying. They're also some of the best detective things imaginable in really silly way. And really just focus of fun. Exciting puzzles together, in the way to make sense. But just being able to follow a story and realizing that like, you know, the the problem I had with detective was it was so obsessed with trying to recreate the minutia of what it must be like the manatees of day-to-day of having a job, which is what we kind of skewered fairly or otherwise in life podcast Jenkin. But this is just so much more about the human angle of being like just trying to get a feeling for people and trying to work out and having gut feelings of bin Laden trust this woman trust this person. And you know, what else just before we move on? I gotta say critical of crime despite having that cartoony look was in a lot of ways more adult than. Yeah. Like it dealt with in a way that was. Like really on the nose, but it had characters who were like have black characters web them being black was referenced in the story, and it had characters who jog addicts where it didn't feel like the writer was out of their depth writing about drugs and addiction. It had some crazy bizarre stuff as well. But also like it just felt kind of it was caricatured. But it wasn't cartoonish. Exactly. I fell as we've complained about writing quiet law in the history shut up and sit down. I felt that I really enjoyed the writing in chronicles of crime, it's cooling, especially interesting in the fact that the different cases, I think written by different people. So yeah, maybe some of them are bad. Well, interestingly some of the expansions take it to like one of the makes makes you a bunch of kids trying to solve crimes, but in like, a Scooby doo stranger things kinda why? And then rather than just being police. So they're doing different things to different expanse. Interesting lovely. Yeah. Yeah. Let's move onto bub-bubba franchise. Yeah. I wanna play franchise. That was play franchise franchise is one of those things, and I don't usually ever get salty about this. But occasionally Wimmer at conventions will start playing a game. And then we'll have to stop playing game. Because it's like we don't have time to now or whatever like we started playing franchise, and I was getting into it. And I was feel really good about my strategy is really excited about playing. And I was like I do really well, and then we had stop. And then you went off and played it with other people. You know what? My I don't regret it at a good time. God damnit franchises something. We might end up doing a small video on because it's unusual. And I don't know I feel like it's going to fly under the radar if we don't cover it. This is from queens. Games publisher. We have you know, sort of mixed feelings about that. With franchise. They've stepped out of their comfort zone and hired an artist to do a really interesting and striking. I think quite strong board. This is by Ian, O'Toole thought you just going to end on artist. The artist. No, I would never. Not you know, honesty, they tend to do stuff that's a little more child. Well, they they've got a thing of what they do. They have made him really lovely games in the past absolutes. But yes, a franchise again where you're on fast food franchises. And the board is a here. Our map of America. It's like eightfold board. And also the map looks insane. It like almost looks like a parody of board games because what ends done you have all the different Sassi's from Los Angeles Denver wherever lots of small places as well. And then everything is connected by arrows or roads or dotted roads. Which is basically how expensive it is to travel. So there might be a little tiny dotted line running from Los Angeles, San Francisco, and that means you can travel along it for free. But that next to it might be a huge like bubbly cartoon arrow that winds all the way across American goes to New York. Yeah. You've dotted lines massive thick chunk hours. It's kind of like a campaign warm up designed by somebody who's taken a lot of psychedelic. I was gonna say, and you know. That has to be an apt analogy because I don't like using the it's like this but on drugs. Yeah. But no, it's it's just it's wonderfully bright, and colorful and curvy, and like, it's it's very artistic and you're saying it it actually becomes part of the game. Yeah. As you're trying to figure out how to get from El Paso to New York you end up having to like look for hours if you're playing where's Wally? Yeah. No, that's what I fell in love with immediately. I was like I love this game. Because this has a board, which is an intuitive. It's like trying to untangle spaghetti with your mind. But that's kind of perfect for the what what the nature of the game is because it's a game about running fast food franchises and about trying to take over America with your amazing fast food franchise, and it's all about looking for opportunities looking for like, hey, where we're going to open on X burger joint while the bizarre thing about the theme, though, is it would make perfect sense of the player boards will like I run a McDonalds, and you run a pizza place and those people might compete for the same fast food money in. The ryen forties, but due to I have no idea why or how this could ever happen in production. But instead, you're player boards. One person. Runs a coffee shop someone else runs a garish someone else runs a hotel, and this is to be an area control game where you're competing for the same profit margin. This is a weird world where people like I want a burger, but I do need to go to the laundromat. But I can only go to this town is just full of hotels, doesn't others that doesn't make. It would have been sergeant easy just make them all different fast food joints. Anyway. So I this is an area control game, which immediately turns some people and with good reason because area control is a fundamentally annoying general board games where people get points for having the most of their pieces cubes, let's say their pawns in a region. So if I have one point in the region and never none zero I win, but you need to have the most which means if you have five points a regional I have four then I've wasted all of my time. And you get all the points. Yeah. And that is just it. It's just a the role bones of area control. I have recently realized that I'm not alone in finding them just annoying because right? Yeah. Ideally in board games. We when other people take turns you wanted to be interesting in provoke and exciting whereas very control. It's often just annoying. I was in this area. Yup. And cubes and do I give up. Do I fight you? You know, we like L grandma. That's maybe the only area control game shut up really recommended. But with franchise it's a different take on the genera that I really liked because the main thing and franchise is the kind of own the root. Thank you. Well, what's bizarre? Yes. Because so the board is a mix of places you want to control big cities like Los Angeles. And there were all the points are gonna come from. But also, you can spend your turn instead putting little franchises along the way to places. Yeah. So I have Los Angeles. But then what's even better than filling entries up with my franchises is? Blocking like all the little roads to get there. Which means other people have to use those big crazy wobbly arrow expensive runs to us. So and what's interesting is that front franchise has like multiple stages where the beginning, you can go anywhere do anything. Then people start having to pay rose. And then there's this by point that you haven't experienced yet where about two thirds of the way through players dot going. Oh my God. I'm locked in here. Because actually without them noticing every single route around one of their franchises because you can only build outward from what you have franchise board. No, I started to see that even in the early game. We played who is the fact that, you know, early on you're like, oh, I guess I'll company doing so I I'll make a small franchise on this road. And then you suddenly realize roads have been bought now you just have to pay for the things. But then it's like all my network. I'll just go out there Congo. They most fall, which literally just cannot get New York. And you know, this is one of those cases where the Caddick shouldn't. But it does not quite being able to pass the boards if this open cleaner rose, and you can look at the board and the Megyn ago. Oh. There's one rule out of New York. There's enough to look at the game. Moves it sort of gentle pace that means you just miss stuff. And I think that's that was what I fell in love with was I fell in love with that it works. So well that you're looking at your money, and especially when you're doing well earlier, he's I think like nine dollars. I can I could I could go any on that road down for three. And then I could bump up there for five we'll take this shortcut just pay loads of money to go here. And it means you're you're is just kind of madly darting around this insane. Like connection thing looking for the next petunia? And I think what really I loved about. It was it reminded me a little bit of the woods Vegas in the way of like, the something about Las Vegas, which has people being like, a brash and stupid that that just sort of all like cocky or desperate, which really just amplifies. This feeling of you being someone in a in a loose shirt with tire who's a bit haggard and is either like swaggering around. It's about to make the life's biggest mistake and that game evokes that this game votes that kind of madness. Like a sweaty brow? A loose tired going gonna. I'm I gonna meet my business work just being this insane businessman who clicks their fingers and goes, I got it going to Kansas. Very, and I yeah, it's weird. Like actually wouldn't work if the board was clearer. Yeah. Which is like interesting. Yeah. It's it's weird. And also, I feel struck a really find balance between. Yeah. We find it tricky to read the board. It's the board is surprising. And this is a word. I think I need to use more in my board game criticism. It's mysterious mystery and franchise, but it's not difficult to read. Yeah, it's misery that comes from your own like problems section delusion. I guess it is it's the fact that you're looking at it. And you're looking at it and looking then suddenly it's road that you just had. No, exactly. And it's like that gives it a Philip quality actually like in the way that films are like not representations of life. They're like weird tropes and applications of how things work and people have Eureka moments where they suddenly stop and that car breaks down and look sign, and they know there's a different place, and they take that road. It's like that you something go. Yeah. So I was stopped show. Before I manage to mention it. But the reason the area control in this is interesting, and the reason it works is because it has a mechanic. I've not seen before Inari control where each city depending on size. We'll have a number of radio spices for franchises. So in Los Angeles. Maybe there's seven spices franchises. Now. The money that is generated if you have a franchise there is based on how. Yeah, how many free slots there are which means it's an area control game where the places only pay out when they are full. So for example, let's go to ally. If you doggedly spend money putting a franchise in every one of seven slots, that's great because you're gonna get a lot of points. But that's definitely not what you want to do much better to have a single franchise in LA to be the only burger joint in town because guess what the less franchise they're on a town, the more the individual franchises make money. So now what we have is an area control game where everyone wants to have the most franchises, and it's very slow to like build up your franchises in an area. But maybe if you could just wait for one more turn, then you're gonna make more money. So it's an error control game where the more franchises have more points. You have. But the less money you make which means everyone on the board. Like, let's say everyone wants to fill up everything. But Knowle's flip everything yet. There's also a weird thing of like because it's quite difficult to travel because of this system of arose. There's real joy and like going. Oh my gosh. No one's in like, Chicago. No, one can even get Chicago. If I just pay like seven dollars, which is preposterous riding this like massive plane of an arrow, although America, Chicago, and then also blocked this route with my two actions, then I've taken Chicago, it's spinning up money. No one else can get there for a while. Which means I can sit on it. But the board is just big enough and it does string players. So it's always writes this as far as I can tell a couple of times it tends to strike this really nice balance whereby everyone has their fingers and just enough different city pies the routinely throughout the game. What we had enough players would move into a city and be like, okay, I'm gonna move into ally. With you. And Bill the franchise and plays would go one because they were counting on I'm going to do. That is mine. It's so funny that like and also again, that's why the office -cation works nicely in the Yugo. Nobody can get get. I just drove down this road. I think it might work less while in it certainly would what two or three play. I also wonder as well it's sort of game where like, unfortunately because you have this weird that coffee station if you play it more and more like that will fade. I mean, maybe but also their stuff you can do to randomize the region so different every time. But mostly I think why it works quite well as maybe the sweet spot is four with five it might be a bit slow, but with four it was so good because most of your time was just laughing because two players who weren't you will getting really annoyed other. But in a way that they that wasn't true annoyance because they knew they screwed up. It's like don't come here. I didn't think used its creed is not. Yeah. You just think you know, you should reinforce it. But it's like you do like any military like video game being like, I should really built in defensive voices. Bubbled another firm. I have more money another attacking me. Oh, no. We're going to be experimenting with some shorter form reviews in the near future. So that's going to be fun says a lot that franchise like as soon as you mentioned there. I kind of remember all of the rules which for a game. We only played a few rounds of is a bit crazy. I mean, that's the other thing. It's just not only as good looking not only is it fun. But it's simple to teach. The teach is smooth teach on that one real real smooth ride down like a glass of Bailey's. Now, it's early way to finally before the pebbles choice. I'm just going to spend a few minutes talking about this. This new architects bugs game gain cold. Woodlouse chaos, I suppose because I I know the German navy's actual smash smash all crazy little thing. Gold. Are you done? Good game is called Carol. Okay. Oh, you exact just sending up to me. So this is a party game, which is real goofy for three four five six place. Many a deck of animals, which are things like woodlouse, spiders, cockroaches, all weird little bugs and every card in the deck has a different number of them. So a caught might be one two snails another Bobby five cockroaches. So now, what will happen is players. Take turns drawing secretly account from this deck and seeing like two snails now in the middle of the table. There is a number of cards showing each of the animals to show that position in the order. So let's say the snails right now are in position five you then have to telegraph to the rest of the table that your card has to snails. Remember how it's number five on the track. Yeah. Okay. Is that means you're going to have to clap? Five times that is Taliban is dealing with snails. You also have to slap the table twice because it's too snails. Okay. So now, so you're gonna go one two three four five slap slap, exactly. I love this is one of my favorite game to teach ever because it's got like cockroach solid. Also, they neighbors love it as well. They especially if you slap the walls instead. But if you do that and apply goes to snails, that's great. They get the card. They've got a point. However, here's the catch. You don't have to slap the table and clamp discreetly. So instead, you can go. Or whatever I think I just did that wrong. And the game is good. Because here's the thing. If no one gets it, right because everyone's too because if you guess wrong, you lose the point so players need to be pretty sure they know what it is. And they need to do against the clock. But everyone screws up or if players are just silent because they can't figure out what the hell you just did you get the point. And the reason would last works in his brilliant is because I would say about fifty percent of the time, the person slapping and capping does their level best to make it so confusing. They screw up and do the wrong number of classes laps which point. They lose a point. How tell if they've done it wrong it because it's because every time you can't there were points in the game where we were like literally no one around the table knew how many times someone summited class. But loosely there's enough people that ever everyone gets it wrong. And then they flip the card and we'll hang on. No. That can't be right because you slap the table twice. Then it's kind of just group thinking. You know, what go very upset about it? It's pretty far. Yeah. That these card games seemed to really good line. And being just the wonderful thing whenever you playing this sort of people just come over to the table, and they just confused and people who play a lot of games was. Schimmel with cheating be covering going. What the hell you doing? It's surprising to me that these guys haven't gotten a little more traction because although I guess cockroach poker, of course, the game in this series that everyone loves just wasn't talked about very much. I think we were part of a sort of resurgence of people going guys this game is great because I think the original cockroach Puckett came out in two thousand six. Yeah. It's it's been a long time since people have a now, everyone place cockroach poker is one of the best games. Exactly. But I do think the other games in this series. I think people might be sleeping on his. Well, they might only have good distribution in Germany. So if you're interested in this we've talked now in the last few months about cockroach salad and cockroach soup, which must be the same game. We've talked about cheating and cheating moth, which was kind of the same game. But sheeting B's the new version we also like that and now Schimmel homo, which means chaos Schimmel said Schimmel mommy's I'll sugar. No, this is this is this ashley'll assoc Masol. I beg your pardon. It's straight to your room. So yeah, I Google you could try googling Astle sh- Masol mean I wouldn't run in just you would last. Let's say for group is honestly, it's a cheap. It's a cheap ugly animals game. It's a tiny box. Fifteen quid for the amount of laughter. We got out of it. I think it's the kind of game which I'm gonna play like once a year. It doesn't have the same power coach poker because it's capital sloppy table. And it's intense. But as like a novelty to bring out once a year and show people what the more Monin laugh like it's great yet. This sounds like kind of raucous dinner party thing of being like less do this. Yeah. Let's just any again. It's like. They're a games where you think this is just this is everything games can be. But then there are the games that being like, this is just also everything could be a way of like this can just be silly and surprising. Yeah. Doesn't need to have any. It can just be something with go. What is this? What are we doing which is like in its own and it self a an aspirational to work. I think it's I think it's funny as it is because it's it's silly. But re it's so tense. I mean, all of those games are Cillian brilliant. It's no coincidence. You cannot just Chuck stuff award blog as we made the silly fun game. I mean lost people do that. But mentally, but the design is balanced series clearly very small because they consistently make things which are uniquely hilariously. I still get that you teach people how to play coach polka they kind of go. Okay, right. They don't really see what the game is. And then they go this stink bug. And everyone is just Larry the activists kind of quietly softly lying to people constantly is just the fact that you're talking about stink. Bugs and bats rats is inherently funny things toads, I do think. Yeah. You know, that's not something we've put together with this series. But of course, the one thing they do all have is herbal is little cute bugs. And I think the something about that. Just a little devilish little. Yeah. Goodness. How great let's move onto. It is. Goya's? That's the official inching for choice. I. Copyright malaise to those nineteen principal natural thing. Yeah. Do that. Thank you very much for bearing with us, Matt and I just have to change into our matching tuxedos. Matt you've gone for an interesting starve tuxedo there. Thanks. I don't know if it's still technically tuxedos. You not wearing the trousers. Well, I think I have put an extra bowtie. Yes. That is cancer something frankly, did you see those a lovely tweet showing? It was a photo compilation of people adjusting Robbie Malik, sir. Boats Oscars on the stage with this really one. Like everybody tried to. I love everyone kept being excess. I hope he's really hope. He's all right. Yeah. You know, what I mean like famous people, ROY? 'cause I really like him. I couldn't agree more. So, you know, who else I really like it is shut down form use a Seattle six thousand for just like he did last year. I think they should on an Oscar frankly an Oscar for best forum. Yes, afterwards put together on the forums. If you want to wash does have a message board, which is discussions dot shut up and sit down dot com. Yep. You can go you can post in threat. You can talk to nice beats a lovely community. It is I'll tell you what the thing that we weren't expecting that. It's become really good for people playing games online roleplaying groups, they play I think Ames skull that work but lots of play by forum games. That's nice. But also there's enough shut up down uses. They're all able to vote on a wards nurse exciting because we can see what they thought about the year two thousand eighteen and we're going to begin with the big award. This is in the Oscars. This isn't other people what ceremonies we are dessert. I hear it shut up and sit down. It's best game of two thousand Willie pin straight into the desert who I'm going to do this with respect to the g I'm going to do it in the order that heap. It up I'm drowning emblem orange before we find out what our audience thought this. What math? Oh, do we wanna do our own faults before after? I mean, I think you specifically made me choose what I thought my answers were before I looked to the list. So it makes sense fee to reveal them and then make me look like a fool, Charlotte. I kind of did the same thing. Yes. So all right. Well, we'll have the the shuttle puts it on top ten list and discuss it. So in join place, a number ten with seven percent of the vote, which is unusual. We've got dice game Gunston clever champion of the wild and the estates place number nine with nine percent of the vote. It's men at work lovely dexterity game at number eight, maybe high. It's key forged call of the Arkan's and also reineck Nazir card game reprinted high-society place. Number seven. It's loans at least number six. It's route number five the mind number four railroad Inc. Third. Best game two thousand eighteen brass Birmingham. The second best game. Welcome to which makes the urine for this. The top game of two thousand eighteen according to audience was with twenty eight percent of the. Votes decrypt. Oh, that's very interesting. I also it's interesting because I never would have said to crypto as soon as I hear. I'm like, that's a great. I sure. Yeah. I remember the crypto I had to kind of like I still feel like the crypto didn't get the ferris shakes from us. But that's the unavoidable of working as an editorial team. You know, like people have things we have wanted to revoke burqa. Usually we do disagree. If we don't run reviews together then fair enough because I remember when Paul review this. He liked Tipper. He didn't like a few things about it. And I don't agree with all the criticisms he made to be honest. But I thought it was well when we played to the first time, I just felt like a handsome thing it, it's pretty magical. It's definitely one of it's crazy. How rare it is the board games truly allow you to do stuff that makes you clever? Yeah. The crypto is a game where you can be capital C, clever even more so than codenames much more. So than code codenames like the crypto is a game, which you really have to build your own cleverness engine. And if it flies or crashes into wall, that's complete your new guys. But yeah. I've heard over Christmas with my family and initially quite bumpy. Because it was a bit more rules e than than people would have liked to that point. And that number of Sherry's, but people really got into it by the end, I kind of had a horrible thing for helping. I've made a mistake we shouldn't have done this. But then I was like we can stop people. Never was none. I never was really locked in by the end of it. But now, it's it's a fabulous thing. I think in many ways, I'm glad that people seem to be giving a fascist because I think many people kind of in the wake of codenames just though I need another game absolutely guilty of that. I saw it's a team game. It's for four two players. It comes in the same box code-named same price. But when you play it. Yes, it's a word game. But it's so different. Let's say you what else? I don't think it gives enough qudos for like for just looking so beautiful. Yes. Like has code names. And that was the major disagreement. I have pulled. I think he didn't like the art style of it. And I think he's just gorgeous. I think it's beautiful. Yeah. And also, you know, what else the theme ING of it, which is sort of like, I want to say cold wall spies. It's kind of early computing nineteen sixties like white plastic newses actually fits the game. It does like codenames doesn't cut names is very loose. Theme of like, you're picking spies out doesn't really work. But decrypt, oh the thing of like you could play decrypt in. Costume of like suits, and in a darkly lit room, and like, you know, your friends smoking if they're into that. And then like that would feel like, you know, sort of Cold War spy thriller. Yeah. Here codes and be like walking. Have you heard about the first little expansion the laserdisc expansion LIZA disc? It's I've now read what's in it. So if you haven't heard I'll be curious to hear your Foot's live at some of it, but it looked too closely. Okay. So the latest expansion is a module that means that players will have the option of into crypto. You just have to be able to decrypt what the opponent, you don't need to know what the word is laser disc, you get the opportunity to guess what the word if you guess fully two of the four words, then you win. So it's an alternate victory condition. I there's something else that. Oh, yeah. Another thing, which is it forces you to give words beginning with specific letters occasionally. So this turn all of your own ozone lettuce. If this all of your clues after movies, and you have. To do that with one of your one of your three clues. But if you give all three as names of movies, then you get like an extra bonus which enables you to do something. Interesting. Interesting Fosse's, the latter half ounce sells more like an expansion. The I bought this sounds like that's rule. You could now. Yeah. But no, yeah. That is interesting especially because it's quite delightful. When you you think we've got this world. We know exactly what this word is now being an it's the realization I love that. When you actually that's the difference real co breaking you can see our team going on. You can see the moment where they go. That's. Oh my God. It doesn't matter. What you right now? Because they know what that would love the doubling down on the like crap it's early era computing with expansion. That's like you're not gonna believe this. It's data on a disk like the expansion. Looks like a CD ROM drive. Yeah. No. But it's like, oh my God. It's a it's a circular disk. We read with laser. That's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. No. It's very cool. It's very cool. Okay. But of course, we before looking at this list named our own games the year. Didn't we so I'm down here? Matt yo game of the year was number rospa. It's brass Birmingham slash quacks of Quinlan box Quedlinburg, which we're not entirely sure it came out last year, but we're not gonna bother checking late last year. Life's too short to your play last year therefore came out last year. It's not true. It's not true. Now, those two games, obviously, incredibly similar games. I Birmingham being of course, a big slightly fiddly but slightly more forgiving euro game than its original. But beloved cult classic brass. I just wanna love a brass Boeing him. I've played a lot. I could play it. Now. I think about it every time I think about it. I want to play it. And every time I said Alpa geic side about playing and every player it does not disappoint on that. It's it's a wonderful production. It put Rosslea aims on my radar in a big way. And I've got I want to check out Melissa I do actually go. I've had in my cupboard for many years. It's my shaimaa super motherlode, which you just gave me I think like this. Occasionally, I I give out review copies and be like you can check this out. And sometimes people check it out. And sometimes they don't. Yeah. Yeah. Life is busy. And you've always got you stuff coming when you need check it out. But it's made me really want to go back and look at a lot their stuff more closely because there's a level of care and level of attention. I think these guys these people that good, I'm yeah. I'm playing supply playing a bit of Deisler in season two Roxy. I'm also picked up and again production values has just crazy. What I'd like to play again actually when annoy exhausted because I played that point which my brain was off. I tell you what it's good looks. Good. And also. Yeah, quacks we review that really recently I adore. I think it's one of my favorite games in recent years, as I said, I still feel that I played again since review a couple of times, it's so fast we to gains back tobacco evening, and it was just not a thing. That's lovely. I will say about I think quiet is also find content of of the year. I could see myself playing crypto for thirty years. I could see myself pulling out to crypto every other Christmas forever quacks. I do feel like has shelf life which is not criticism because most board games shelf life, but. Yeah. I think still get so my unpick for game of the year was I I feel I don't know why pick this by did. I'm gonna follow my heart. I chose welcome to. I mean. That's that's fine. Yeah. I was going to be like I think it's kept in sonar again. These in the card game. I think you'll me, but I'm fine with that. Yes. Some of my best times with that. You know, I don't know what it is about welcome to. I think for me, this is really just personal taste because it was the role and rights coming back as Jonah in a big way, which is a big movement. I need new genera emerging in board games is a big moment that year. So in some ways, the emergence role rights might be for me. The most exciting thing exciting movements to happen this year. Welcome to was the first one I played and also it's just astonishing. So for me it's made my game of the year. Because when we first played it and a friend of ours put in front of us. It was a moment of me going like, oh my gosh. I've never played anything like this. I love playing it. The tactician see and works is so unusual symbol tiniest played gun show clever before that bone. So we did. Yeah. Just didn't really click with that. It was fine. But it didn't excite me. Yeah. You're whereas welcome to immediately exciting. It's funny because you're a big fan of Wolfgang wash. But for some people from cover is going to be their favorite thing. He's. Done. But on it. It's fine. Like, I just think it didn't. It didn't grab me. It was basically playing bingo. It was very fun. But it was like a kind of a background thing was welcome to I found volume and interesting and also I think we're seeing a lot of rolling, right? But also, we're seeing a lot of the board game industry's obsession with components, which are leading to games, which heavily little plastic pens on whiteboards. I don't like that for a whole bunch of reasons. But I think the technology is not as nice, I think there's something lovely about activity of paper and pencil. Yeah. And I think specially in welcome to a game where you're kind of like effectively trying to plan our neighborhood of scratching stuff and stabling stuff. And the fact that it has you on the lining things and circling things gives you reasons to use a pencil in lots of different ways that makes you feel that you're doing work in a way, which is interesting, whereas there's nothing like about very daintily and carefully rubbing our Barker with a little with a little razor. It's like for the toilet. Imperium? Let's say you got really excited because he. Allies. You could check boxes in the overlay. I and welcome to is basically a game of check box. It is something very satisfying about taking boxes circling things. Yup. We're going to go. There's a lot of categories in the top threes for most of the I agree. I agree. I thought just for that one through one for the big potato all gloss over a couple of these real quick best expansion released in two thousand eighteen the number one slot. It's a tie with twenty percent of the vote between route the river. Folk armour the card game the forgotten age expansion, which is the one that cost you into South America, not play that one. I was a little disappointed with the psycho before it which was done which legacy because I was. There's an unusual thing central Don, which is the there's a weird play going on. And that's the first area. There's a weird play. But the thing that tries to I guess borrowed from the books like, but is it real awry, you crazy? And it's like that's not what does. Well. It's like literally fighting things that eating us. It's like, yeah. Maybe I am crazy. But this is not an interesting question to me because I can't engage with it meaningfully. I can't decide not to play the game. Yeah. Anyway, a few other things the bug me about that. But certainly I'm excited to play the forgotten age because I love the it's just colorful enrolling exciting to be like we're going into this permit in the middle of nowhere. What's going to happen? Probably awful snake monster things, and that feels like a I'm more comfortable with that. Then questioning around psychology. Yeah. I going crazy. I just want to buy a laser gun and shoot a dog. Yeah. It's yeah. My came out wrong. I don't wanna dog. So I like dogs. I mean, it's funny yet because the lovecraft is about more than just shut guns and explosives. But time talk about at the same time. Like all come horrid as well is is desperately running around hoping you're gonna find stick of dynamite. Whilst being chased by an assortment of bad things. Best kicks in twenty team. The winner is the win champing at the wild route and broths Birmingham short. It's heartening see champion the wall popping up all the chance ain't way it's been haunting to see the second Kickstarter doing really well because it's the game that we loved we tried to communicate people why we loved it. And people didn't see it, which is fine. I think really actually it was a live show. We did a packs unplugged the kind of make people realize that like look this is just arguably people's is just a box of animals. It's not true. It's not true. You've also got like some some gifted. Event ideas and some gifted artwork, which really does just get the imagination going. And I think we showed people it's not just a funny game. It's it's genuinely interesting genuine does raise interesting questions about whether or not you could rob a Bank better than a rhino. Yeah. I was if you haven't seen our live show of champion of the world. You should I think it's hilarious it. Yeah. But shut up and sit down champion the while. You'll find the live show. We did which involved the most contentious round was the audience and all of our panelists arguing whether it would be better or worse at doing a robbery than a Pacific octopus. Yeah, I very much fall in the Campbell that octopus kicked go through vents yet could unscrew thing site do feel like the experts honestly would give me a really a really hard. I think I'd struggle to be better Heison octopus. I can say that now in non-competitive setting. But I do think it'd be better than a rhino. But anyway, we're not going to get back into this. I saw I was typing away that up to check. Whether the the second kicks out of the water was still alive, and we can tell people the back. They cannot finished raising about fifty thousand dollars. But okay, bad news. The good news that second print run from the Kickstarter champion of the wild is going to be in shops. It's going to have some retail presence. But also going to have new events in new animals so the box we love is getting new variants of ways to play. Yeah. So if you were on the fence about I'd like champion of the while, don't worry because second addition with all kinds of improved qualities. I know that one of the new sporting events is musical chairs that's going to be great. There's lots of and it's definitely something which you needs kind of juror into a shape that you like. But I think that's fine. Yep. Okay. Moving on category, which we can spend a bit more time on best game production two thousand eighteen a top five here. I think it's it's super interesting rising sun getting thirteen percent of the vote evidential game of the big couple tree. If you sounds Coty. It also has some beautiful of all kinds of animals, don't like at all no million. I was like, no. But then it's like, I actually really don't like it. Yeah. That's fun. We have go joint number third place with twenty cents decrypt. Oh, and treasury islands, Treasure, Island course. Yeah. I was like that. Shouldn't like didn't really like it's wonderful the production of it since I review I've been told to us. Chalk pens. Yes. I did for the one to that. But still it's like it doesn't come which opens up. It's a beautiful piece of art on the map. But it's like they messed up some production. Is there something to be said that the best production for the it should be people pushing the envelope? Even if they screw up then people who just do something production is. Action is. Number two slot. It's men at work with twenty four percent of the vote and in the number one slot shouldn't be a huge surprise with fifty five percent of voting audience of voters its route. Yeah, I think route is. Aside from like, maybe the play boards could have been slight. Nice. I think it's just a remarkable production without looking at the awards Matt night both selected root as our own personal award for best production of the light the game itself. I have mixed feelings on the production is just stellar even actually rising sun has it's not a very informant production like it's kind of strange Tarantino esque mishmash of cultural things, which you know, in the same way. Like Tarantino was that was cool like fifteen years ago doesn't feel like cool anymore, but the production was so good in so many regards I fell almost pained to be writing view. I was like this. Game's not really that. Great. Also finding myself unable to not make the game. Look, absolutely brilliant vote because it's just such a gorgeous. But then seem on all the games I like gorgeous, and poppy and don't really like any of them. But well they picked up railroad Inc. But that's yeah. That's from the time in the right? Yeah. I don't dislike anything actually, I think there will just like, okay. I'm good. I agree. Route is a funny one. So there's an interesting thing where they've announced what's going to be in the next kicks for it. Which is two new factions, which is CROs and moles the crows down particularly interesting because the crows are a faction of spies and infiltrate spies to people's factions as you put your cards your crow cards in their hands. So people are hand gradually filling up with CROs, which I think is a lovely way to interact with people. But the thing that's the most striking to me about the second Kickstarter is they're going to include a completely new deck. So you know that that can route which is all the stuff you can craft all the special abilities. Yeah, they are putting out a new deck that they said is going to be essentially pushing the envelope and it's going to be weirder. And that is really interesting to me. And it makes me more happy that I didn't get my copy of route. Because if you've seen my quite long route review, I ended up saying the something about this game from a little bit unsatisfying. But I really did like it when. I was trying to figure it out as opposed to once. I knew me and all my players knew how to play and it lost a bit of that mystery. So it's interesting to me that. Yeah. Of course, we knew they were going to put new factions, but a new deck of cards is a way of making the game instantly hit an unknowable the I don't know if their knowledge ING, maybe route is better as a Joaquin experiment cosmic. Yeah, I was gonna say like cosmic recall were the designer Coa has actually named cosmic when he talks about putting the new deck. Yeah. Well, that sounds really interesting because I mean, honestly, even the fact that with the vagabond you've got like, you know, five different types of 'gabon, you can be I could see that being cosmic encounter. But with animals of being a kind of even if you have like, hey, you know, even with the current factions being like a new alternate. Birds are alternate rules. Start the game. Just being like, hey, everyone draw a card, and it's like oh you this race. And now one of these cards are your this one of this rice and just having weird randomize Asian of being like. Because then you are more into the over of like walk cosmic as of really like and the same as TI of being a game of trying to him. Sorry. Sorry of be trying to convince people that you're not the problem. That's kind of doesn't work at the point that which you know, it's imperium it kind of doesn't work because you get the point people have enough knowledge, they go no come without any problem. Whereas in know. It's all a bit academic in cosmic encounter. You can be like, they're really powerful. But you can be like. Yeah. But in this scenario that powerful who's telling the truth. Yeah. It's interesting but to circle back to the idea of being best game production. I'm excited to play again with the new factions then you deck once the Kickstarter reaches backers just to play with those little primary colored pawns again, the board is beautiful the pieces of beach for. It's just lovely stuff. Lovely stuff we move onto most unique or original concept in a game released into those and eighteen we've got a bit time. This we got stuffed fables the game where the book a book is the board, and you can turn pages to advance through the game holding on the troubled life of Billy ker a workplace game where you jigsaw together a bunch of different arts assets which form someone's memories and slow sort of like a collage you get to see their life, which is pretty interesting number three slot. We've got Nick phobia a game you play blind by touch the Matt Matt you'd if I remember correctly you love. Nick phobia. I don't like this. It's fine. It's it's not very good. But it's still lovely concept. I just have to get like guided by Quinn's clammy hands dry. The one years. My hands have been dry. Stop playing phobia, touch, my friend times my hands just become climate. But it was wonderful for all to be blindfolded. And really, windy tremendously. Clammy hands. Just I have dry self-conscious was also trying to pretend to be a murderer. How many was absolutely hilarious? How many hands of we shake in over the years of doing shut up and sit down more than had hotmail? Convention coin. I should have a lot of people backing up my dry hands. Finally in the number one slot. It's no surprise. The most unique original concept for a game. In two thousand eighteen is key forged, call of the are comes joined describe people's the twist of this to Mr. it's an interesting thing that we didn't discover it. Well, I didn't think about until after view is. I was like, oh, I bet Keefer which was designed as being an anti piracy measure engagements with problems with piracy within the board game industry Amazon over the past few years. So I wouldn't be surprised if it came about from the discussions that doesn't diminish it though. It's very cool idea in the decks in key. Voyage are unique and they have a little QR code again QR codes the year of the cure occurred. And you can scan it into your app, and then you own that back, and you can play with in competitions. And it's all entirely unbalanced, which means that some decks just better than others. But if they are good then you balance it by using your own handicaps within the game. And if a two good than the win tournaments, and then the basically not allowed to plan told him ever again because they've ascended the whole thing is wacky as hell. And I love it because it's simple and fun and seems to be like kryptonite to the more serious kinds of hardcore gamers it was. So funny are key for tribute quite good traffic. But just about the worst commenting community appeared on our YouTube key review. It was funny because it was all the same kind of person. But yeah, we sit in the review while this isn't like competitive card gamers, loads of competitive Kagame in the comments this inspire. Why don't I like it? Exactly, we covered you. It was a funny thing. I you know, I had a great time just playing messing around with it. And it's interesting how the lens Jewish people talk about him view. It is sort of broken. And I really hardly see I've had lots of people getting touch with us since our review of the actually saying, you know, what I fully look fun. And I also thought that it probably wasn't for me. But I checked out your review, and I thought oh, yeah. I'll give it a go and lots of people who've just been giving it a go and having fun with it who wouldn't have expected to. And I think that's cool and especially with the first wave of expansion. They just announced it being like, adding a whole bunch of new cards and keeping some of the better. I've verse way my favorite thing about the new announcement is that. Yeah. Every all these new cards which the new decks you will be built from. But there is a small chance that some of the cards in your deck might be from previous. Yes. Which is like just a lovely way to implement all the cards just being like, hey, this isn't going to be in the pool, but you might just get something random of being, hey, this shouldn't be in here. But it is in a way, that's like cool which adds. I'm like, really odd flavours things. But also for me is somebody who just likes to explore. These decks explore the game. In means having a new set things coming. I'm talking just if I want to ensure I'm gonna play that more and having you experience, I can just by some of the new dex new cars -pletely, I think there's one failing of me for will work knock for Trevi together. Which is I don't given hindsight's twenty twenty. I realized that actually I adore key forges high-concept. I actually I never said this in the review I love that you buy a decade. It's unique. I loved it. I can I get a pilot axon I like these and I like playing with these these are good. I just yeah. I'm not as solid as you are on the game itself, and I'm on salt of the universe. But I made a point of that in the review did say, but honestly, if fantasy might want to do the key the unique custom deck thing with the different game. Oh my goodness. All over like, if they want to bring net runner back with this format that would be fine. Maybe. It'll be a Star Wars thing. Probably Quinn's custom star was here. Yeah. You're probably right now, they've got this thing. And it's selling like hotcakes. Why wouldn't they do it with the property attached? Yeah. I don't know. Maybe next ward best digital board game app of two thousand eighteen and top three number three. It's through the ages door adult Balka, but see table top simulator, which makes hunting drink a number one. It's galaxy Chaka which I heard is goods area. Galax trucker out. Is coded by Vlada till himself Blau. He's a polymath. Wow. Well, that means polymath just means study multiple things like poly, multiple Massa was poly. Well, it's a poke him on the demonstrate someone doesn't understand English word summary going anyway. Yeah, I think about galaxy trucker law. I when I was sleeping in your house day because it's in a cupboard next to the bed today. And I thought galaxy has to stay over at my house Feb, it these days seems I've his differences. I sleep in my guest bedroom or Matt sleeps in my office surrounded by your outflow level with dozens of board games. What games? What games? I was thinking. We should galaxy truck on the street at some point. Oh, yes. Because it's fun. It's a good game. It's a good game. So fun. We're really enjoying using the stream to like get coverage of games we wouldn't review because they're dumb. Yeah. It's things we call it a long time ago. It was just things we wanna play again, your completely we move onto some weird. Degrees now that the four mites love, which all which I love as well. This is the Eric tongue bladder ward. He's a form user moderators for best game of the previous year. I only got to play for the first time in twenty eight teen. Top three being fog of love, gloom, haven and Israel. I mean, again, it's basically a rehash of the top games two thousand seventeen different category. But yeah, you know, what all still goods there? They're all still goods. Then this is a new category for this year. Best game of any previous that I only got play for the first time this year and top three alcohol of the card game concordia and flam ruse to see people finally coming around on flam Rouge scared best designer of two thousand and eighteen also designed as of two thousand eighteen. This might just be form is voting on who they think the best designer in the ball game industry is right now. Right. Which isn't you? You're saying you think this category should be like, well, I don't think that's fair in a way because it's not how it works. But is how they voted for this. I know, but I just wouldn't have set the category like that. Because it's like, that's what you kind of have lifetime awards because otherwise it's like, you kind of think will how many years does it like film director have to have bad films coming out before it's like all of the previous work is just relevant year. Carpeted, for example, like is fabulous director. A lot of his recent work is bad. Like, I let the idea still great. I mean, who's the guy who did space study Kubrick, the Oscars and the best doctoral goes to stat cubic? Yeah. Again, exactly it's like, well he made great foams. So who's gonna argue with? Modern films are not that good. And so you be giving people awards from the since the way this data becomes interesting. If you later on a graph over time every year like people are cooling Vlada this year anyway, but it's just the popularity thing. And it doesn't make it make sense to just who's the being the best. Okay. So we ever come. The answer is. Gosh. Yeah. Okay. So before we get well, that's my answering. Let's talk about your answer. So I kind of agree with you. It was Wolfgang washes year. Yeah. Of course, vote getting did a bunch of different games did quacks of Lindbergh, a push your luck potion. Bring we adore did against from clever a Roland, right? The is violet counts. Loved illusion game at low cue-card game delusions. That's just great interesting. And he did the mind which frankly is a sort of I've seen as a game that actors play from time to time, but no one put into a card game. And he deserves full credit for that. Yeah. I mean, this is the thing for me is somebody who didn't really wasn't really asked about gonna show cantons clever. I think is now available English under the name pretty darn club. Which is like a lot of lover. I wasn't that bothered even despite that losing I think he's like a really fun idea. Just really interesting I made my mind since such a clever idea for no game. But really for me. It's just two games in one year like quacks. I know I'm hotter on the most. But I love quacks and the mind. Just one of those games. It's has been everywhere in electric wave. You see people trying and talking about it and having an amazing time. But he's so prolific two games are just different. And he's really so many games short a time. Yup. And he's got more coming out next year. It's been really good for him the four mites voted for the top five to be Tim Flowers fifth-place than booking wash who've Rosenberg Alexander fister and bladder. Fata fister. Of course, another sort of. I don't want him up and coming because he's been working for a long time. But yeah, just putting out really solid boxes. Like, I love sky and his other games as being caddy. I've just forgotten trials. Right wasn't trial. Did blackout Hong Kong. So I don't know when I love sky came out was a couple of years ago. Yeah. I actually is one of the things with fister it was probably the Pfister a couple of years ago. Muna might not have realized that until this. Yes. But like two years ago, I putting outlay a couple of games Nigel time if you're new to shut up and sit down then we haven't covered any of Lauder fills games for a long time. But I think he's still. Loosely shut up sit downs favorite designer, you'll know him food designing code games. But before that, he didn't really do potholder names. So I'm not being mean, you just what did I say code game? So gosh, why would I say games? I have no idea Razi nothing to do with anything. But prior to that Vodson big heavy games that were all funny at will. Almost funny all unique ovary games like space alert. Galaxy trucker major night dungeon pets dungeon lords. And something I've forgotten that will come to me. But yeah, just a story designer and while we haven't seen any big games from him for a while. I've just heard rumors now that his next big game is currently been pasta being play tested. Yeah. He's a wonderful mind. Yeah. Although the one thing I wanted to say at six place in this list is reineck Nitzia ballgames. Unbe Boyd gaming a huge debt of the nineteen. Great games. Like Tigers Euphrates, and raw and samurai and Taj Mahal all kinds of little card games at high society, but we sort of I personally I was guilty of thinking he was very much in the past a lot of creators have a period where making stuff, and then they can literally made. Literally, literally not just using it as a ton of phrase, hundreds of bad games since then, however next podcast. I'm gonna be talking about a new game of his called Eldorado, which is great. And that really threw me because if a designer like Ryan can can make the nineties, but then still make great games now that suddenly puts him into a different category of like, oh my gosh. He didn't go away. He's still ready kiss. Call is coming from inside the house precisely moving on. We've got a category best artist of two thousand eighteen that top three being Chris Williams in our toll on number one. This might be contentious in this room Beth so bell with two percent of the vote who hasn't done any huge on. But it's refreshing saleswoman woman at the one of the no, absolutely. But for you and me where a big fan of the artisan second-place was ano- tool. Yes, you're the you're the I believe artists call themselves, the our heads and the art has. Yeah. You cut me open. I bleed through a gash must go. Why don't you talk a bit about what makes until so good? I think there is a joint appreciation between us. And you know, it's all about about details and beyond aesthetic details. But actually kind of mechanical details of somebody who's equally driven mad by perspectives. Not matching. Also think that there is a degree of push where it goes beyond in a stray Shen and does veer inter inter are, and that's not to do the quality. It's more to do with the purpose. You know, like if you illustrating a board. It's your job to make it look. Nice. It's he's he's too. He's able to do beautiful illustrations. But then he's also able to do like proper almost are designed lots of clean lines that that clearly telegraph how the game was even either actually. No because sometimes it doesn't do the best job of that. What was the game? That was really blew that. I was forgetting Lisboa Lisboa Lisboa is a really good example of like, you know, it's has such a vision of what it wants the ball to look like that it kind of in that case doesn't gel one hundred percent while with the game, and it's already a complicated game. And I can understand I didn't have problem with it. But I can understand how people go why is this board entirely blue? Whereas everything blue I get that. But I think. The what I like about their work is it is excellent, and it is precise. And it does come from a place of cabinet is also for whatever reason usually not afraid to actually put some some directory vision into it in ways that. This is this is being real are really in ways that like don't always work. It's the that illustration really is what you're doing a job. Like, this is your job do this. And there's nothing wrong with that. But this the fact that it does end up pushing against the edges in the way that sometimes doesn't always work. And I think is interesting that in Lisboa, I I love it. But I can see why people would say doesn't quite work. However franchise, you know, is like this this level of pushback of going beyond the idea of like this is an innovative ballgame looks like and coming up with a concept and coming up with the design, which is just different strange. I think franchise changes the game franchises. Really what excites me about until? Because we've seen him do tons of clean lines with Vitale asserted games, like the galleries VIN hostile Oxus favorite destroys jobs from him. And of course, this boa, which is clean, but messy. But anyway, but seeing him do franchise, which is a lot of bubble. Arrows a lot of bright bizarre colors, a lot of like stuff that is still cleaning its way, but also just a bit wild. I think what we're seeing at the moment is we've had a long era of board games that just look ugly. And then we have been lucky over the past five years to have suddenly being these games on ugly. And we've been to have a luxury period of games that just look. Nice games. Pop and games have clear, I can graffiti so you can track the game and track the systems, and you know, I think what's exciting is beyond that. Once you get that point where it's like, hey, this looks nice. It is readable is clean. It is not horrible. You've got this whole realm of exploration, which isn't just like a lack of paint liquor color, liquor style. But actually is like wall in what ways can the presentation of this artwork as art work really influence the way that you actually interact with the board. And as I say I saw in franchise. And I just think that there's a lot of people out there who are lovely artists who are producing lovely work. But I think Ian, is is one of the few people in the space now who's actually kind of pushing the edges of what you can do. And in a way that sometimes experiment, and sometimes doesn't quite work. But that's that's good. Yeah. Goodness. 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"Where we talk about anime. I'm rick kill us. Go first things first. We're going to speak about death. Note last time we spoke said definitely be tier be plus tier right option reminder. I think eight year before eight year. He just kept it s tier. And that's the point. I think it's a minus. At least i think it's sti you think. Yeah totally get it. Why do doesn't top thought so tiffany. I'm remember watching you right now dishes. Good yeah it's so fucking good like there's no real loose ends. Everything's tied up pretty well. I like in my opinion european to think so. Highly this shit. Yeah and it's a really good salary will enemy and i think it doesn't have cultural impact as in it impact. I don't know how much impacted a lot of other enemies. I don't watch as many cerebral animated as much so. I don't know the downstream impact of death. No but i will say ultra impact in terms of widespread nor do i like a lot of people. No in person if the total death now to the point where i mean if next net flicks is headed for a while and never gave it up. Yeah and you leaving trying oh and thought death knell has like a few live action movies and just in japan to yet ends. I'll hyun cool shit you. There was like a musical to apparently a definite musical. What i can't even say anything because was like you know sweeney. Tatas ask digress. But it's about barbara who kills people and that's a musical and it's a really good musical and timber movie adaptation and everything so people will listen to a seeing about that and the music too. Yes even get good tragic story out of it. Yeah is trying to You know he lost. I think to medicated on by using elza better character than by l. knew from the beginning row couldn't prove it using better developed or you just personally like in terms of development lights way more developed yet because he he goes through that journey of like you know this idealistic kid to to some for god complex and it is the god complex. 'cause you know 'cause he's the god of the new world if you're you're gonna have complex now comes to light that's like saying we have human complex sensitive human. You can have human conflicts. Army's not god bless now. A lot of people got that book. A lot of people didn't like him not allowed. Can we didn't like him. I'm seeing did not allow people. Did it like him. Everyone everyone also like stupid. Yeah by everyone was stupid. Row like musa roads she. She was just so impulsive. I play at bats. I for her but then chief forced herself onto light and he just kind of has to be okay with the situation and he rolled punch for a while now that i understand why he got him. It's just but like if you have the choice to pick who you want be used versus someone who's like are you gotta die. Do you know he had a hard choice to make it think. That's the worst part is humming. He was worried about her killing him while he was word. You've her just fucking shit up. That's that's like he's gonna because he's going around killing people at random to be cushy loved so healing damn. I got anybody say do wrong like everyone wants to love your bathroom. He said it looks like a stupid she is. I can't the only person you can really feel bachelor for our like does technically l. Our guess. I don't what are your when you're in league law enforcement. You have to be okay with like dying on jobs drug but like the same thing like with lights father. I do feel bad for him because he was manipulated like from the beginning to end. You know his his laptop was hacked by light was forced to quit his job in order to like. There's a sense of justice song. You know that japanese since suggests that longer like us really a victim of being like a police officer at least got to be the father of the god of the new word but he he looked down upon it. He was not a fan of here regardless of what he knows no props for life for making his dad. Happy quote unquote. A peaceful dash. Doesn't say anything about it. He made the world a better please. Crime rates were at record lows hypothetically hypothetically literally saying in terms of a show hypothetically there's good hey we talking about what happened in in the show will work in real life like having your care now opera. Akira i think in real life the world with theoretically crime rates. I think actually farmers would be at record lows now. In terms of in that regard the role will be a better place. Would it be a better place in terms of. Let's say you know your happiness index. You could argue that. In a dictatorship the world crime rates are probably way lower than almost anywhere in the world in north korea. When is life better. They're not necessarily not necessarily depends. You have to be the right type of person to being enough to make that problem is to to this like you need to be a pretty great newest person to decide. Hey my judgment is. i'm. I'm gonna have a coating of people these people but it's just was only they Aggressive crimes or like was a petty crimes to petty crimes. Went down and fear of the louis was like he was killing a murderers robbers. Yes in terms of like when he was killing people like his primary kills he was killing. You know major criminals and things and things like that and letting that trickle down would you also have to take into consideration in his path to not get what he's not. He's able to rationalize the killing of innocent people he's like. Hey it's okay. If i killing in the cure individually. I'm just talking about like in schools. How he won a pro about like using deaf. No nonsense like oh like this. Is my path going to talk about just in terms like actual crime specifically like actual prime. He was aiming to stop the huge aiming further violent right. he doesn't china. he was in stopping petty criminals. The things that i think he's gone up to the corrupt politicians at this is like here. This is like here. We're talking to each like this. The fourth kira a tearoom economy does dude was killing. Anybody who's is doing like things didn't like you know like are sure like if you're like harassing ago it's very wrong boy. It was just harassment at that point he didn't like i don't know the extent of hog the tv show so we have to assume he would have done something wrong to her but let's say it was just going to stop the harassment over harassment. That's still wrong. But are you gonna kill someone who just doesn't know boundaries. I'm in that i can. That's a line. 'cause that's another thing you have to Ticks iteration a lot of criminal justice. Right now can only be enforced after the fact so a rare even now you can see like police officers. Get all's about things like that. People harassing them stalking people when they know something bad is going to happen. They can't do anything until after the fact someone like light he's like. Hey i know this guy's gonna kill some. I'm going to kill light than move. Preemptively though light did but eremita mute. That'd be right so today. Everything all of those people are extensions of anyone me yes. They're extensions alight but in the sense like you know when you have that cousins. That's just not acting right. Yeah that's that's how these mecer. Yes but no sense that in maybe we me i would say that all light because i think they choose he chose him as his representative and he said hey. His sense of justice is direction. I want the world to go right at the end. They by proxy light is responsible for that right. So can we see license of justice in comparison to like no. I want to say in terms of terror. Gummy in comparison to let y'all give me such justice evolution by everyone is going to lead to terrorism. Use thinking because what did is what you're saying is what i'm getting from what you're saying not everyone but there's definitely going to be extremists when you like. I don dailey extremists yet. Absolute power corrupts absolute at the end. The so when you have people in that point i light is one of the few people i guess who could uniquely develop the nuances of that situation. The problem light doesn't see himself as someone who'd be there to be releasing this daily. He has a other larger ambition in terms of saving the world so in term. He's not looking at every little right. So in terms of distributing justice would give that to a more like a week. So yeah. so is he shaping the world while nicomedes to finding right and i think be especially because my light directly picked him to some degree if you're his consent of it is essentially doing it because at the end of the license not he'd stop. Of course i mean what he though because he sees has got right and he he listens to the will as he trusted so much. But if god were to just go back and say oh. I don't think we should kill them anymore. I don't think he album board if he if he completely did a complete three sixteen. I don't think you should kill criminals at all. Bats where i think. It's going to get a little scary If he said something like hey. I think we should be more judicious about we kill. That's where i think it shouldn't be a problem. I think we would have no problem following order. I've the the problem is when when we create like making essentially where the. Yeah you made a monster being the guy that that's what makes you could say a guy because only guy can come onstage. Yeah because you think about it. Believers aren't really like no one is a real believer of you there believable. They think you're at the end of the day. Everyone has different reputation of u. n. That interpretation is what they follow robinson's right so like inaccurately known as ever true believer in person because no one knows what a person right capable right so meek emmy in his mind he idealized us right. This is what he interpreted lights will to be and this is what he's doing so this is whatever meet doing. I can say he's this is what he believes. Likely your yard. Even if light himself doesn't actually believe that's very not like we can be like any any any text than they get different things from their same. We watch different shows. Get different things right. Same what your fan. And i'm an fan but that's just how i think. The progression of light is really interesting in the times in the beginning he was. He was explicitly only about killing criminals. But as time passes he's able to rationalize killing anyone in terms that yeah. That's just that's where like your too complex comes in. Because i in the path of me calling this world if you're against me that means you're inherently evil. You know 'cause. I'm a road by major with my action is good right or even if you don't necessarily believe he's he doesn't think you're evil you would think that it is a greater good for him to exist in munich. Yes okay. that's fair. that's that's probably the more accurate way to think about it on. But like i don't think he believes l. was. I don't think no. I'm reaching yet. He he had like such an appreciation for l. Yeah it's that the five it is a sense of love the l. vice versa l. Never had this type of challenge before our life or and. I think probably like the best thing to happen. He he made element loss before. You know there's probably the best gift you could get through. You know death. By the greatest case i never saw l. things an amazing character because like came up with death. Note amazing a thinker. Because if you think about it right if you think like out of nowhere if a casual person thinking like hey someone has a book that can magically kill anyone on the planet no evidence. No traces on earth could ever catch that person the most idealistic person and then is it an. I think we'll so crazy is winning introduced l. When you have someone with the ability of so idealistic rice and then he drops it in there and this guy is like hey what you think is impossible is not possible in that one episode they slip like hey he can be called boom like he. He puts people on the street and kills him and point there. And that's where you see if forces lightning bolt right. I wanna say like all the time but these these mugabe are geniuses like everything happens for a reason. Light has to be the son of police officer. That's the only way he can grow. With a sense of justice l. has to be like the genius orphan in order to like you know like kind of like the batman type complex you know has to say people whatever adam. How's parents die but you know something like that like these back stories like these little nuances. How they use them to shape. The characters is so smart to me and you know without l. light isn't who he is the joe he's because if you look at it in the beginning l. is objectively better because because he had to overcome the the ladder his l. Tribulation has l. That's when he is sent to god and you know they have this imagery. They're fighting on soaking buildings. Like mentally yeah. They're higher than everyone already like the imagery on the end. So we're watching it like when near is opposing light their ascending some sort of like elevator. I don't know if they started off on it. But i think because there was no light does that mean l. Light had to start from the bottom more his way up again in years making. I'm sensing greet just the position in terms of light hansel rise l. in l. successes have to rise to meet light but no they were like rising at the same time on the same platform. It's just like whoever whoever wins will win. And i think it's super important that mellows not a part of this at all because we know ellen never pick mellow he would. Here's the thing or he would pick and he so different from him because like does your is exactly the same thing. That's why mellow was important. I think nearby himself same way light by himself. I mean not like sing with by himself. Gene right yea mill yet and so the same way. We have to see talk about this. I'm bringing up to like an a plus right now. Laid the same way light had his own fingers his own hands. Terry making me missa taka. Chime the youtuber group l. had like mello and near he had his own type until how these these hands. They've arm wrestling a win to each other. It's just like l. Had like fewer like of greater quality. Than maybe i mean that's also another fight our show and especially in the beginning you think about it light. Was pseudo one of elle's hands especially was when you think about what he was when he lost his his members l. Has i think that was really really interesting. Part of the plot removing and mention. How john and everything like that they. I read an interview like the person who drew. I think his name's oma every thinking you about kira. In that moment 'cause he had to light foot innocence he didn't have for a really long time. I like like while he's cure. He has his beatty's is yeah. There's like no light to it. And so when he like he forfeits the definitely use like bright big is again like an idealistic person that sense but like he feels like a teenager again like a really intelligent teenager. Not just like have this. Power of god that i'll use that by disposal and everyone's tool in an who gets my way is just that's it. I don't. I don't want to deal with them anymore. And i think it's such a critical thing that they see that because they see all light would be if he didn't have power. Is it because you think about it when you when you see up to that point is like oh this is. The type of personality is realistically like the book made on. Yes but has base. He wouldn't think he would ever use this bright as the kids go hungry. I really do this person. Could i do this you know into like he. He's the only person to actually do it. But the question and that self doubt is here. S cat in the crazy part is that when he thinks that he can do it he'd be willing to lock himself up if he believed he was the one doing. Yeah that was the amazing if you think about it so i. I didn't finish my rewatch as of this recording. But i'm i'm so excited for this show. I'm glad every washing. I'm glad on on tomorrow. Likes to. And i'd like to. I would have noticed with tamala. Loves hanway she liked the beserk movie. She likes attack on tight end. She likes deaf now. Also the senior type of sane. And yes they actually. She tried to watch the first episode of psychopaths like and to no avail. So if you like these especially if you like dapple you will like psychopaths. Give it a chance and i think non black lagoons pretty good back. Our she'll be into like you know like the whole twigs early teller. Joke harto gun carta. It's a little bit every zoellick them themselves. They're mercenary merson. That's what i'm there's a show. That like in the scene. Universal human gunned and like they they deal with like gun trading over the same people. It's really cool. Talk about haiku. Because you've been watching haiku since we last recorded really good really. I could understand why would say like maybe top five legitimately the only reason i watched it. Because you put it in the tofte. If you didn't put any in south africa. I wouldn't even consider your opinions on it. I think it's really good. It's real it's real. I- i wholeheartedly understand your top. Five policing of that can even put it in my top ten. If i want it did not work as w my top top five remember. I switched off with something similar scholarship. That i i'd like you to watch too like when you have the time but we were stuck you. You've only watched the first two seasons. I watched you caught a completely go to the enemy. Doesn't mainga like on like everything on virgo. So i if. I know you and i know everything that this is. The same dude allows light as kiara the lows yarmysh from black clover that lows early on dvd s and tv. In general. you love she. She walk over. She walked right. I really do yeah duties just like this. All powerful. calvin loves all-powerful character. Do yes and it's kind of a larry through how it goes to. What did you like. Bike you'd I think it did a really great job about obviously the character development really really so it did a really good job of developing a lot of different characters and with very short. Yeah every everybody on the team gets something and people on other teams get a lot too and i think it was really important because it used something a topic. That's pretty much universally relatable teams or team sports and then it built off that and just added context for each individual via. What brings you to play the game. You know what's the game into you yet. Yeah and i think the last the last season really did a good job of bringing everything around full circle for her. Not especially yes. The last season did an amazing job. Bringing things along those circle for him but also a lot of the different players to Not just the different players individually on just the overall in bali. I think when you think about the way it was structured right in the beginning. It's it's like he not obviously is asked of a volleyball protagonist not just available. He doesn't have the physical characteristics. He has set he In terms of hi his stature is not what needs to be lettuces and make more than makes for right so then if you think about the premise for a period of time is just pretty much shown in can mean characters lacking in some department because he's not special turns out he is special in some different type of way. Your lock in. I think towards one final season. It reinforced the fact that hey you realize easily easily realize when he was leaning so much into specialness doesn't even have the basics of what makes a good volume. Yes right so bill. Now sees afforded an expose that exposed immediately and season on is to. But if you think about the subsequent seasons right it's kind of just highlighting him incoming specialists. Yes it to the point where it's makes it makes you believe a cake. I'm so special in this. Don't need to be need to be accepted. Okay he's bad at serving accepted. He's bad at receiving and it's fine. And then i think the way they do that in the season is when they introduced other the other shore character the yet nice. Everything is good. He's real he's before it before anything. He's just a good volleyball player right. But then add into that. The same type of lettuces seemed better. Athletic schism he jumps higher. Yes he runs faster so they frame it like. At the at the moment he was at that point he was jumping cairo Oh you can jump. High of this guy can do it. I know you grant more is that. He's like totally if you think about it like so. And then he just has everything down pat he received it does serve he dot l. He the box you blocks you not unblock that much. Yeah so like not just like like aside complimentary block. He's a one on one. Yeah he will stop. He's a defense on his own. So i think that part is really important parts of developed and then i think when they bring in but even before then like we have a player in the same way even though he's more On volleyball is who she g milwaukee toshi where his senior skill is just. He's left a left handed player. he doesn't have to receive his. You know he has a really strong dumpster. It's not perfect. He's not kaba and you got to be scared of his serve every time you know where so not a. That's why he looks at off. Seen some short players publicly bajo schumi were spectacular of volleyball players. We look at like it was. It was schumacher's hoshi assam a viable player than he not. He's excited to see what he can do. Like you have no fundamentals near only athletic. Why do i want to play volleyball against you. Now just want to crush you right right. Now he's not in his eyes like truly worthy opponent right. And i think it's really important to see in nata and the rest of the team rise to the occasion because i think it's an interesting transition where you see. Basically for the good part of the show. He not as using his special skill and relying on all his teammates. Turvy close to make up for everything and toward the end of the season. You see he not to learning how to fly on his own flying the vaccine. Yes an aside for. Were saying the the various imagery high the animals that the news on the feeding the sheer toys. Our crossman means crow. Crow the to resign moods white eagle the feazel. And it's like a mob who said yucky the the girl the blog on the old crows mob when they're attacking people and they all just like going to this one giant eagle. Yes exceeding like that happens because the foundation that has daichi whose name literally means foundation. Assad he like tanaka gift supporting. He not shema who. I loved their parallel tosco. But what i'm trying to say is all these little images that you get in to show that besides the bonds in the relationship and how people feel about volleyball you can just appreciate us. Hasn't yet you know. And i think that i think the important part of the beginning of of the final season is at one immediate abundantly. Clear that he's not gonna like not wait. I forgot is that the beginning of the final season in the beginning beginning. I think i guess beginning of the thursday. I bet i've been were where you know He not gets picked for. I mean we're toby on gets picked for the us team eighteen. And you know he oh kagame. Car targeting What is he told me. Actually now i feel like when i say the dub someone called until in and i think okay i mean to the sub. I started on the dumb and switch over to the right and then so it should show evasive one perspective. You watching the show. It makes it feel like kagame and he equally important and then i there were constantly reminded by everyone like kagama special right right katayama shows at the beginning like from the perspective of you watching the show. It's like he was there to pair. That's supposed to be together. Right via the dynamic duo and at the end of the day he not to has we know. Hey everyone thinks not trash really. But he's not that good except for it's just a quickie hat right. The one thing everybody sees it and everybody knows. Enter the point like wolves washio. Son say the sheer tories. Our coach right without the center. I don't see value in you yet and shoe and then at the end of the episode when the the opposing superstar set an otms. I'm terrible and which team just kind of the final season blonde boy Yeah yeah he said he's looking forward to setting to you I think that was a really pivotal point. I want to toss. Yeah because he's like one he showed that there's other people besides talking quick and there's other people besides calcium umbrella to toss it I that was really important. Critical part of it. Yeah like the fact. He's being seen as a volleyball player. Not like oh. He's he's on a good team. He's not part of the dynamic. Duo yes he's on his own. Yeah and that's that's the thing like when coggin taken out and doing the the under nineteen camp and not as little his own. He's trying to figure out that's why he's like he's gotta be bauble baba and do something. I gotta learn whatever. And so. I loved that a during the matches. His teams like interesting in the right place like every consistently like you can't consistently in the right place all the time bingo fluke a. He's dare he knows exactly what's happening that his brain for the game has changed now. I really liked. How humbling the beginning of this. These was just be extreme. The crying woman in because it 'cause especially when you think about him like you know they've won so many as come this far. He's basically a key player on the best. he's lean. Yeah but an the district yet in in the district but at the end of the day people see his deficiency and like just when he thought he could overcome them or comes to the point where he could be considered a top tier. He's like hey that's not the case it's not he's later so many were constantly reminded like there's so many people more special than him yet decided. Hi it's either. Skill is just more complete bible. And i think that was an important part that in in our heads we like. Oh try so hard but think about how hard he was trying. But there's not just people were better than him. Because of just natural talent people had the fundamental. They haven't they were playing there. They're trying to be good yet and like his just wanting to spyker delegate. I wanna be volleyball. I'll go back. i don't want. I don't wanna be off the court. Yes you know. Because he's been played off the court a few times. Yeah you know if it's besides pinch in which you can't really feel like fence to pinch living right but like you got to shore up your defense. Nishi has to be in the game anti she masks to be in the game or even play it with like a sued. The device captain. I don't go or something. Yeah but yeah Can you just who my favorite characters in haikou. He's thinking he's thinking it'd give them just let me know dicey ritchie now. It's not. I do like this. He's star who is he on the main squad. No he's not. He's on a different team. Different team only I'll tell you it's a boko danica gray here the spyker who has email mode. Oh really al of member I think he's such a top all right top five okay the top five but he can be top three if he was considering. We'll put over at the end where he was talking about how he was going to be an ace now. Yeah he's a he's i'm taking it all away. Yes i love that he was like. I don't like we're not going to lose them. The game yes nervousness. What happens lisa. Kay i'm a fucking with them but not like it's a his his journey has it's just not that he has a lot of character development. Are you see him being his funk time and time again and for him to actually like you know just overcome. did you watch a versed. They the cadres owls. Did you through the where the like. When he has his moments so cool. What i really like is how i think toys. Dan didn't let us forget the cheesecakes. Everyone's forget hey not the case. I mean anti aside like hey don't forget i see a especially at when he was one hundred percent. Yes do own aloe. What i love about being the ace on a show is just like all right. You're getting you're getting the toss us or like you can demand it. It's like triple eight. Women were for like walking when he just getting everything and like just get us and back. Yeah and like the aura. Dallas around him in all of the enemy so much they do these little things like the purple smoke coming from. And i can't not toss it to this dude. He's demanding and so inevitably. That's what it means like chaggaris Spiker setter. you don't have like the stronger. Senate spiker twins you russillo with the twin us a calling for like how's it. Well i can. They control the stuff you know. So he tosses. The someone else to the middle would agree. Decoy props to them having like a black character. That doesn't look racist very very very very well done blurry. They didn't just give him black hands him. The white underneath his human thing was normal. People have when he's oh he's dribbling off. I mean i guess. Why can't he be like a a basketball fan. An athlete you from absolutely sport athlete athletes. They played football in japan. He'd be on the team to. But i think will really ties together. This season for me. Which was low key was the final thing is like the the vice captain of of The nra sake. Yeah he was the one. Yeah yeah. she's just like a basic player. he's he's he's he's very he's basic player if you think about the ultimate clutch player. Because he's he's his if you think about his multiplier it doesn't diminish in any type of level of pressure if he's done it before always be able to do it and i think his conversation when he's talking to the people in the background about how great in how special all these monsters on the corridor he says it kind of brings it brings it brings about the conversations kate. It's not fair to sit there and just call the monsters. Because dismisses all the work takes them to put up there and a comet if flips the narrative. What the story was if you think about the way where i was thinking about. The story in the beginning is that he can't be viable player. 'cause he's short and he's not special and but then turns out he is special and that's what makes him be able to be available here when i think towards the end i think the the lesson changes from. It's not that he is special is that he worked hard enough to find out that he will special in. Maybe there's some people who start also more special than anyone special but like the thing is they don't call like being special they call it like being a monster yet right being monster and the thing is i think in that he not of the you see him like all. It's not me at assam. Despite your twin. He plays volleyball by how you rice like. He's obsessed you like and time and time again. That's the same. That seem attraction. That causes staredown Hashimi and caused. Why would she wanted to crush him. And that's the same thing when when you think of like college to tokyo cayenne yes. That's the same type of. I think it set up a really good position for a we grow to him or being or august from him. You're not gonna see olympic a kajiyama's just talented when he's thinking like himself an opportunity if you keep pushing yourself and opportunities are your telecom limacher yet but he is going on because he's like kagame his genius but he's like no i'm gonna work my ass off to become something special to the point like he's still like he's the best setter you know right if you think about it. I don't know where they stand right now as the final season i'm playing as of right right now and like the the candidate of the show. That was animated. I think even though like matsumoto's to emotional. But i can terms like bringing his team to another level. It's boy collar everyone can hit us tosses. I think blinding. I think blondie from first than our not in terms of being an actual leader by supporting his teammates. Every time you know mia he so selfish though as a setter. You can't be selfish. You can't be selfish at that level if you think about within us why he never meaning like listening to lebron versus jordan. Argument thing right. Lebron is a player that you could put on any team in with raise. The level of everyone on the right problem is if you think about when you because he raised the level of right one when you think about when you're on a team where everyone's already good You want you want you want blondie rather than What you call an orange hall. Because they're low. You have soon razor risks for right because if you think about it like a flowery once you have a lot of people who are already at their ceiling right. A ceiling razor is not necessarily needed so at the highest level. You want blonde him. We want the florio in high school. Year is more useful to have that. Because you can basically grow bigger team. Okay so what would you do. How do you feel like would be if he went there because he i think he was invited to play there but he didn't want to go there he wanted to like opposed to chicago. I don't think he would raise who she walkers level and you don't have cerebral like he's just that much of a weapon on his own. I think he's still like like if he was on that team. 'cause he just so much better than this but i think if i had to tooth for that specific team powerhouse seem like that there. I would pick pick. Blondie before we account to going into you know. I think i'm still taking because imagine getting the perfect pass because they had two aces on toys. Allah those goals shaky and lucy walker goes the first year. So he's like union to tell me he couldn't use like a perfect tossed him every single time leeway call would give him i don't here's the thing when you remember like i think the whole point is that he doesn't i think blondie gives good enough tosses. I don't think only call can give him better. Toss like i do not think. Then we've because he could do like the quick. Yeah i do not think oh we our could give better tosses than blondie could give to. I don't think there's anything we can do to that team. That couldn't do already reason. I am calling. Blondie because i was his name Mea at some optimal okay. All right so now that you watch it. What would you tear it. Tear it right now. Really good on things like plus eight. Yeah at least eight. I was able to the cultural impact of hiking. America's like low but volleyball players. They have like crunchy will is a control. Your reaction videos by professional volleyball players watching movies high level. Kids super fun to happen follows. 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089  The Design Philosophy of Riftforce with Carlo Bortolini

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089 The Design Philosophy of Riftforce with Carlo Bortolini

"Hello and welcome back to the lab where we transform our gaming passion into incredible game designs and learn how to note like a boss. My name is mobbing. And i am an ambitious game designer on my quest to develop strategy card games for this podcast. My vision is to take you with me on this exciting journey together. We will explore the secrets of different game mechanics and reach the next level as a game designer. This week i have the chance to talk to fellow game designer again and yet he is the designer of memoir and rifts and rift falls especially is is the game. I'm very interested about. Because it's a dueling card game that yet that involves factions drafting combos and many many different strategies that you can explore whenever you play the game so all the good stuff i love so much about strategy card games and so that's why i'm very happy to have the chance to talk to a callow battling today. Welcome to the show. Hi marin thanks for me here. It's a great pleasure. Yeah it's great that you take the time to come to the show and share a little bit of Of your secrets of game design with our audience. So i'm very excited to talk to you about your games. How you approach game design but before we start to get into the details. Would you please introduce yourself and tell the listeners. A little bit about how your journey as a game designer started sure So i'm italian. Thirty six is sold believing for the last night years in berlin. I actually starting to design a my my games when it was I was eight or nine years old when it started to actually have the first game it is and but at the time. I didn't really consider them to be gained. They were just like kind of things that i used to create entertain myself. I will send you for example to the vaccine farmer of my of my grandma. I come from the white blazer here and the phone will likely find with. My grandma was creating game about cows. She and salsa four or about likes king like like race of skiing in bonds is listening to his thing and it was very entertaining for me to play with dice and to play with With rules and condition to actually create certain things that could be repeated eventually by some of the players in order to to get some entertaining out of that and but after like this very early start. I didn't investing more time event and have been interested in also fight in quiet. Talented in mathematics is joy resolving problems and creating problems as well and i kept on creating Like as mold games also during diversity. I will study economics sauce. Always like very much in contact with statistic Ability which are kind of a basic knowledge which feed and feel are very useful. Forgive designer and wanna begin designer. I mean if you want to that you need to stand up. Quite in depth are like strategy and they'll start statistic ability especially if he wanted to do like heavy strategy games or even needle strategy games and wasn't joining like creating escapes and these experiences in. But i never really focus into that hundred percent what happened. Is that when it moves to believe. We'll put into become a dangerous having studying economics. Such as actually consistencies not exactly strong bind but i started to To see that. Iran like the cd. There were like many companies create video games and especially like a free to play video games for mobile phones and before it starts to say. Thank god burp. people will actually create games in. It's kind of strange is like the minority relies. That is something that you always love is created by somebody but the dnc anybody your life to events you believe to be impossible and certain point you see that are actually people and people you get to know that. Do that as fulltime job. This on my god. I wanted to that but jimmy is and before i started to to do things that was mostly august to me and which was creating board games because i grew up with magic the gathering. Paul kagame were hammer. And i've always been intrigued by four games way. More video games to be honest. The only thing that attracted me into the vegan Ward more time was the fact that way more money were invested feet against the boards by my patient will swagger and my passion drove me to to the analogy before Before when it was it was two thousand thirteen. And i started to to actually made the than sessile force which was i really love like by the line and this kind of dwelling games especially because it was coming from magic's seoul was something that was reminding me of that kind of word and then the ice started to create this game which was based in i will war with translating the middle and it was grading and it starts to feel how much enjoyed the process of creation even over first prostate tight. We're really not good silva you're not bad word I but on one side. I see the bedside seton but three simple tensions and And but gave me hope. Hope into the fight like that Four years later in two thousand seventeen. I can't stumble purely stumbling to such visa which was This company just created in another tech in in in the area of believer. I leave actually twenty minutes walking from replace. And i realize the Vegas founded Visa which was like a new company and just released this cottage garden this game and And they were looking for an aggregate of family friendly game. And i had this memory game which eventually later became the war. And you know it's kind of sometimes chance lapsing chronicity wish but sometimes things happen and this made me like a this enabled me to actually have my first game in the market and this gave me a lot of a lot of stamina and a lot of energy also because the game has been quite successful and have been very much Happy about howard like working out. And since then i just invested a lot of time into the game design all be a being full time for a one year when off and then like now at having the profession in parallel with mike coaching profession which is my passion which was like growth and this that will say that's thumbs like a like a great journey and let like many many of the listeners would would like to say. Let's take the same route that you you have taken to find a publisher to publish their game and give them the chance to to to work more on their on their hobby and yeah it a little bit more. Even if it's just a side hustle. That is what what many people listening to this. Podcast one to one to achieve. So i'm very interested in in the topic of statistics that you you mentioned and how you think it is helpful for your role as a game designer saul. It would be great to learn a little bit more about how you apply that to your game designs but maybe before we get into that let's Let's talk a little bit about About rift fox. Maybe you can explain a little bit. How the game How the game works. And though that the listeners have a better understanding of what we are going going to use ethnic psalm to to move through your game design process sure Reforest is to blur games actually sat in search of a fantasy. Wert it's a it's a game where are like Four different if different location in the middle and And you have to select a team made out of four different gifts which are both. Let's say so. Everybody has a team made out for affection. So perfection to me for fiction to you and insulting the game 10-faction so true faction are out every single game and you actually collect the specific decks of for each section. You create your own deck made out of which are like thirty six car. Each faction has nine car so nine times four thirty six card and the actually the game rotates around free very simple actions. You can blake from your hand you can or you can activate cards by discarding one over carson hand or you can do at check. Andrew action The game is a search of its I would say it's kind of a race game because the game ends soon as somebody triggers that twelve victory point threshold the Four sexually and as soon as somebody which is twelve or more victory points. You'll get to end of around wherever has more Find is considered the winner author game. It's it's a very elegant. Game is very simple in the roussette but we made sure that it was very deep experience in the senate very repayable as also the name of the company but my friends founded her wartime games. We wanted actually to read it to meet that kind of characteristic into into oregon injury force and What i really. I mean it's every segment is variable because like every time is very likely that your team is different. Because every time at the beginning of the drafting you receive a random faction and then so you affection your own dressing around affection and seven sectional reveals so when out of from ray of a beginning and then we do becca. Four fifty two. We have free extra faction each means. One st for myself and one st four Self before like every single game is quite likely to have like like different distribution and It's every single guild as a different ability. Which means i know how much i should give detail in terms of like Gameplay maybe maybe explain just one or two factions so that people get to get an idea of how they how they are different. Okay so i just before sending a special day actually the section. I just like a slight introduction of of the fact how the decks are for any single faction so when you actually speak for example the fire every faction are they represent the elemental every representative laments. fire air earth will Before when you actually collect affection against from the drostan you also collect a deck of cards and those nine card look like traditional cart. Before like present we select filter. You have nine times fire and four of this fire are at number five and then three card number six card as a number seven. The number they haven't up of it is both useful for accusation but is also representing the health point that the in a mental. The single car has so when you play card you actually have to choose between playing between and and or color so you have to choose either. I play for example fire and you can play up to free fires or you can play up to free five prison and the in you have to play ira missing column or you have to spread out them In addition locations were when you activate cart instead you have to discard a card from your hand. So you card from the hand before and you need to actually declare The number or the caller on the sold frozen beauty. Claire discard a five fire. And you can say oh. I want to activate fights and you can activate to free fives in independently from Wherever they are located in board or you can active of free times fire and you can activate after fires independently from where locating before every momentum does something specific. For example fire does free damage to the first creature in the ponant location location in front of itself and it does when damage to the light behind itself or impolite does to damage to the first in a mental. And then you can heal damage from a novel of your car's Mental around Your your board or water. that's too damaged. I settlement than it moves. Either one step right or left so which means run of a traditional cash and where it lands it does another additional damage to first enemy so the goal of the game is to actually use point. Didn't say before us. Victory find by killing the or during the phase of check. Andro which is the only phase where you actually collect back seven car to hand which is the first action i actually referred to before you actually get one point for each year. You control which means it's era is location where you have an elemental and your opponent doesn't have any you collect on point for that respect condition and then you drove back to some hand so we put the connected to escort. Impaction off to end was quitting action in the game. Say this could be like sort of general overview of a game of light. We call it magic unconscious or can you precisely be magic and contrast shot and they said about. Okay could thanks for the short introduction. I think the game Pretty cool and i would like to To start at the very beginning of the game and to dissect it a little bit so Let's start with the drafting part of it so The game has ten factions and each player gets four of them. And you have one as a put out of the game before the drafting star and one is I think assigned randomly. So why did you go with this. Trough being setup why exacly ten factions. Why does everyone play with four. And why do you put one out of the out of the game before you start drafting and so on how. How did you make the decisions that the traffic looks like. It looks today so it hasn't been an easy choice. That has been quite tough actually because first of all a game designer we need to pay attention to unseen This is something learned from Does agree to designers spectacle which is one of the most famous and remarkable giving you of designer nineties alone stole mean Wants to create a game. Always that you're creating a product before you you're creating something that has to feet inside the house of the people that a second has two feet on the size of the tables they're gonna they haven't tone and also in terms of production. You need to make sure that the game is actually as affordable as possible because the less it costs the more actually the higher the margin for company before the more the interests of the company itself has to actually produce the game or to invest energy time and money into projects so it's very important game designer and now i'm Many to the aspect of the production. No about how production works and how actually the logic behind our expensive a game eventually be the company because if you ready consider those aspects when you're designing your game once you actually deliver that game to the company or you actually present or future company. Those aspects are mostly already being taken into consideration and the company actually praised again a lot for doing that from experience they really appreciate the stock so at the federal from this aspect once you produce like research of a golden number which is fifty five one sofer's belief you produce a game which says like. I'm multiple fifty five cars sympathies. To five hundred ten hundred sixty five but i usually stick to one hundred ten number. I i kind of relate to a lot especially lately and it's something that like guests the company to produce the very good at it very Of cost before like okay. Let's see how many factions. I can feed inside a specific number and central and it came out like ten. Ten is also great number for another reason because second second second reason to have ten Replay so first of all the richer consideration to do. How many sections do we give to the players. The ritu options free or four and we had quite a bit of debate. If it were tested lot sri with just look for and i a month we were quite unsure about which was the best scenario but when we felt okay easily have like four affection each and we have like Which means eight faction dobie player and then we have choo faction out. How many Many different possibility combination that can come knock and it showed that matic's like statistics Type of the different repetition shows that the went to hundred ten different teams who can create fertile of free thousand one hundred fifty different mitch shops which was quite a lot laissez and Especially also consider that you can keep them blame. The same team against advocate team and begins keeps being gauging. We can also talk about that later if you want the reason why but we actually noticed that The kind of experience where a little bit more fun with four free or little be more aligned to our vision of the game it eight. We free the the it happened. That experience was more stable in the sense that the people were getting more and more of same caller disinfection wherever play and instead we for it. The caller based distribution was a little bit more stable. Because nobody i've decorated made four caller instead of free before like east. Your hand has been more mixed has more variety in your hand but the vantage was that potentially it can create more combos in the sense that it can come out with more uninspected situation. Saw at because if you have free faction is quite likely that what you actually expect. Show up before like this. Mix every single game looking almost the same. When while if you have four fiction the deck and the lack a little bit deciding which like caller cabal of which time and this like the term is that you have to adopt so we moved a little bit more in the tactical side that in the strategic site and a little bit and and also like we referred that it was emotionally more fun to have like more ability because you actually explore more of a game because imagine that he is compliant notice than when faction is slightly stronger than inaugural and is almost impossible to type situation. Because when you have to balance. Infection is very very hard to Perfectly balance there was like slightly different. Maybe like when is a little bit stronger. In more situations i've ever and infre- factual this was more problematic because giving the situation is stable. The kind of imbalanced designs and balances where more evidence in four before affectionate. They were less Less evidence before we put a lot of effort of making the guinness balance possible about having perfection was actually getting has more air to actually be a little bit more relaxed about two coming out with a super perfect night to the sent a balancing Balancing to limited and this was the reason why we went to four affection and then like ending will have created a defection game we haven't had any replay ability but a kind of mixing the same faction again before two extra was the perfect thing because it was getting the chance is to actually see long enough the same abilities. Therefore you can learn by stephen because the game has a learning curve. This is one of the issues that we have a player that they can see. This takes time to really master which is a good thing for later is something that maybe create resistance to players before like we felt. Okay let's see like the dan faction with eight faction in stein was good enough to actually show the players the infection again but always create something that will kind of break this this kind of seeing the same again again and was introducing new kind of new meet anew anew experiencing into the flow like oh my god is playing which is only and next thing you want to play vice my eyes out so you have to adapt to new strategy and yes to always think newly in the game and this is something we forced coming back to the drafting now. This like the reason. Why we're we're for fiction and defection drafting. Why would use to relate that first of all we didn't want all the action to be available every single time. Use trick with you. Read the front for a randomly the beginning then yet nine faction this find what you do you deliver one random each player. Why you do that. You give us coach play. Yes back you you actually support the exploration of the players and you kind of break the own blank habits and they own blamed panners so and this can frustration body but we felt there were more people buy it then the people that will be in frustration especially from what they will have discovered by having around infection your time and second thing at that point we just revealed seven fiction and we go back and forth with the easiest possible drastic Third sorry and everybody gets two free extra affection. As i said before and this was good in my opinion because you know that point so the agency the fact that you can choose your destiny still there because you pick free faction out of four but you always have to adopt and you always have to to see something different end. I think this is something that it's it's very much like something. I won't do have in my game so to have like a quite good level of control and but also to have like the certificate randomness guiding The in your in your action. The like making you explore different areas of the author of the games and the and this is why we ended up this way. So i gave were not every time overnight. Ten functionary into the game but steady nine. We're actually one is random and you have to choose wisely which tea which team you want to build around but single section that you have a beginning and yeah thank you so much. That's an awesome. That's an awesome explanation and there was Very much Gold and value in your in your answer And i can totally see why did must have been difficult difficult choice to make because some people really enjoy that That they can apply what they have learned in previous game In one of the future games and by by forcing them a little bit into another direction. They're they're learning. Effect is a little bit smaller than it could have been and that will will be very good for many players but some others might might enjoy the other way even more so I can see why this must have been a difficult choice for you And the thing the way it came out is a very good one so how often just curious questions. How many games did you did. You play with three or four factions to come up with a decision ha-ha. Let's say this task for me. As i mean i think like almost every game designer Trail blake us for me is key and i tested the game before he came out of the market between five hundred and seven hundred time. I'm a quiet dedicated designer regards. So i acted design short games because i can play test them again and again and it can eventually reach a very high level of in experience Let's say that we tested. I think around. Let's say twenty thirty times with a free the free affection variant each. I mean i done this than we actually brought the game to a fair and we wear play testing with free sex shit so we were also testing with a lot of people that we didn't know before to have some kind of impression. We were just reinvents. When when i think the team will naturally but you owner over one more games because we were we are free people against designer and the chew on herself warmer ten games as developer and a and Like they one of the true roman one of the chew actually owner of olmert against time in actually looking at investing if like the free volumes the free faction was valuable and also spend a lot of time into thinking thought. Because i really care about giving the best experience in two players and so even if fertile time i was used to play fast myself as a game designer with like four affection as invited people to break the pattern i have to south. Brickner patterson seek. You're listening to the bucks this reflection better. Because maybe i was wrong and and end like we actually made the decision mostly based out of a values and of perception and taste which means like okay. Do we want to have a game where you have more control but laceration or a game where you have a little bit more peration in a little bit less control and we decided to go to the second so never very important points in the design process is at a clear idea about the kind of expediency want to create because it clear of ideas that you have the less you actually suffer in the process because you have a very clear to jump values that drives that helps you to take difficult decisions because there's plenty of will be difficult decision. The design process. Especially when you have to collaborate with other people. I mean is by yourself even individuals very hard and when you have to collaborative for people way more potential to make the game way better but you have to be clear altogether to be aligned in the kind of experience you want to create. How did you. How did you actually do that. You came up with some high level vision for the game while the experience of it And cherish chatted with the with the developers or was some kind of i dunno. Let's say brainstorming that you together with them And how did you documented that you put it on On the wiki or on a piece of paper on the white board so that exactly that that approach looking like coming up with the vision of how. The experience of the game should look like so. I double this question. I mean first of all you have to have it clear yourself so you as a game designer as an individual create in games or adding the fashion to create game says august professionalism it. In my opinion you need to have a clear vision of sales before like what you want. What kind of experience are you invested in creating. What kind of spurious will do love your players. And the playoff games actually to play and this is something very important for example for me My values are in dudley one of the most fans in the actually that Listen everywhere today but his elegance. Before like i won't cred gibson. It's a very easy to learn. And they are fun since the moment you explain the rules. They kind of feel. Like i. Can i can muster it. I can okay. I really have some ideas out to play this game but the have very high level of death and this is something bad. Really really Nyc something that is a very strong of and against then of course repairability. I want a game that people keep replaying again again and again and again so i always focus like crazy quality and and then i i also have ever values like keeping the game as like cheap and affordable as possible. I want my game to look incredibly good or as good as possible so Very advanced modern game design. As i said before your very ambitious game designer like i feel exactly as you do the sense that i really want to create games that leave dan into the industry that people keep playing are they actually gained hived even after years and years and something. That is a remarkable in the in the experiences in this in there actually the history of the or a hobby into the borgen industry. And yes once you have clear. Your values is way easier to actually have a communication or actually to to to have a like to to interact with a teammate or with a company because they say okay this is my vision for the game. And then say okay. This is our vision for the game. And you start to actually have a dialogue about that. Okay how we should do that. And this this direction than direction they can satan but this aspect for me is a not so much aligned with what like to create and then you go down in the kind of details before but you start from this kind of mockery. Ah this big picture of the word and from vet the word you're kind of consistently create something that gets as close as possible in the as a final product as a final game in the market. But like i never teach my game to companies. I actually work with companies Safai i'd be working for a visa and with warmer ten games. You can say yes. He had just made two games the market. Yes but i never peach my game to our competence and the reason is not because unlike recumbent dole. But because i know that the simple is to companies given that they were before lead that than i have a good friend of mine. I have a very good understanding of what they stand for and they stand for the same thing i stand for before like i have very much. I very much resonate with them and can have like very tough conversation with them. Why would really actually challenge the experience the game and we really tried to make sure that we get out of the best possible experience. And you said before. I'll do we track. We use google. Docs google olympics offers to remember that. Name of a maverick share documents where we actually pull down. The media's of gate what should be the game what we think shooting in the game. What kind of experience. The game should be what aniston of the game shouldn't be because after it's been forte. Define both what the game has to be has not to be in order to actually clarify the design passed so that everybody is aligned and everybody's in spot and we can have a common ground from which to a built experience intensely as effectively and with less effort as also thank you. That sounds like we have a pretty similar approach and also pretty similar design goals for our game because we have we had the. I think the very same goals for for nine bucks for our game when we decided to start with it it was also about. We want to make it as easy as possible to learn but also Very deep so that people can play it and always discover new new combinations New ways to play and also make it very approachable with few few cars and few components so that were stopped we redefining the beginning as well And when we came when some difficult decisions came up during the design process. We were able to look back at our initial goals and guidelines and yet it helped us to to to make these decisions and at the end You will end up with a with a game that is closer to what you initially envisioned. And then when you don't have these kinds firm guidelines defined so. I really like that approach. Yeah let's let's talk a little bit about The different the different actions that players can take in rift false so you explain them in the beginning of the show you said that Three different actions play can take during during a turn saw In tell us a little bit about how you divided them into three different actions that you have to choose between. I mean you could also have created the game where you just normally in like in many other games draw then play a card and then activate your entire entire bottle anti qods on your on the board. So tell tell us a little bit about why you decided to split those into Into three different ones and giving the player only the chance to do one one one percent. Okay let's start from this start from a value of mine. I forgot to to share with you rhythm. And the time so i love my games to very good rhythm is like music. Have to be a of a symphony or better. Let's celebrate when you create a game is like if you create an instrument for a player to be played. Actually we use the same words nyc using music or visit player and the player place so we are like bill. Violence or can afford is saxophone. And i love to like create the best possible instrument and i think like the instruments. Electric creatively begins electrically. Needs to have a very good sense of rhythm of varying sense of timing and i think very much one actually start to visualize again remind started visualize. I'm county but at visualize experienced. I start to visualize how alad will feel to actually implement that specific kenny. How does it feel how does sound after the sound. I will save my soul. No effect to fill my god. This excites me. How good does it feel. Great so the british version before actually got to the main to the core idea of reform which was making Making it look as a search of traditional and I got this for for the rhythm from kief wage because gifford at the scandals in u n olives are kind of system actually. It was blamed the car. Not in a cost based actually mechanics and the mic and is it was based on the on the on the simply caller based on like system would actually have perfection and your car behind so you have to choose your play. This action about section that section and actually affection which is actually the section but tactic and really enjoyed blakey for jeff. Both his neck silas on my crazy player. When when real games and the i got into the the magic buck the metric times and i really enjoy the game a lot and enjoy the magic. That the sound that the game creates the I want to create something which somehow feels similar but give like a very different experience to that and it's a very more a very much more minimal and the game that everybody was just twenty euro can can afford and they can reap again and again and again which was something the key for june delivery besides the chief justice by a day but after you people blame the same deck when mcguinness shopper is almost always experience so various no repeatability. We see the same decks instead of wanted to create a game. That is mostly. I just took myself as as a benchmark myself as a player. That's okay let's optimize this experience with few like we thank you sorry for myself and i actually work in bed direction. So this this timing. I want to begin to be fast in the sense that fast but like five minutes but light between twenty and thirty minutes and before says We cannot just play one carpet. Time we as better if we played more carper times also because it feels good when you actually splash dom crowd you know. I love to splash on a top. How hot instead of just doing okay. Zoo zoo in this game i wanted. More like splash. Splash splash attack attack. Check andrew andrew. So i wanted. I was kind of feeling trying to optimize this flow before when you play you play from one to for card but most of the time you play shooter. Free as i said before you play over cartoonists collar same number so actually break down the simpsons of key ford in shoo in shoot levels. Because now you can play via via color as as key i play a number which was like another layer introduced on on the game somehow like on say and they blame the car down. I was feeding this very rewarding to you. Okay i totally free. To free association for same thing happens when you activate but i put a restriction because i saying okay. I want to people to acted more cars per turn. But we need to restrict this this this effect so somebody has to discard a card from his in and actually referred to the number over in order to actually before you cannot just play the cartilage of beginning without even thinking. You're playing down because you should pull down over the says Fires and didn't have any more to fire behind. Now you have fantastic fire but you can activate and you have to wait until the draw other card before accurate you know before you say. Oh my god. I want to believe for card play. Chewed have been after act but only make can activate them through the number before it can steal play a little card but how many cars at the number. I will have left in my hand. So he's like you have to like Resist concert is sort of effect. Where actually you're you're very much driven to play as much as you want. But then you have to think wisely because we got too much don't have any more amazon stamina to actually keep an attack and in this was like evacuation idea actually with former time games than starting to begin to unreal studied a lot and then that the check in road rules. Which is i think. One of our best rule i can with safari. Probably my favorites. I want the game to be very clean elegant as i said before because one of the main values and the before adding free action being perfect number because at that point we will have liked playful card. Activists regard reaction but was left of like elements like wrapping wrapping to gave her a very as booth and also the less action. You have the better if you can keep them. Having a deep experience reaction is celebrating. Four or five went down so in the spring like was. Okay i need to find a way to make people drunk hard. For example key forge people play card and they drill card immediately so there is no Interesting action but comes from like the drawing face his back. But i wanted to drew face to be a choice and like increasing more the purchase of time me into the four like you. Keep a blink cars when you play cards with a plane cars or you actually activate cars. You always get rid of because when you play cart or using it you put cargo handout when you activate card you always have to throw a card away in order to activate the card ready place down four and here with a check. Raw is the only action but allows draw and drew back to san. So you immediately reveal your hand as economic defense case but the fact is that now i also wanted. Okay is something that you wait to do until you actually exploited your end as much as you can. But i choose to introduce like search of effector. Counterbalance this the section. So it wasn't just like extra k. Just joe up to six. After cited the and introduced the rule about the control of areas so concerning of areas. It means that whenever you're location said before and no ponant is they're just before in this case you can also choose to do this action as soon as you have like six cardio. I just activated my card and return before and now a six card. And i have a lot of cars a lot of option but apparently i've tune location. They control because my opponents is not fair so check andro now. I didn't put laced. i'm gonna card. I do an extra damage to get your parts and that the goal of the game is to get twelve to getting to find his actually get one six hundred which is quite low so and this can station which is created from his very simple rule. This is also very simple. Explain creates a lot of attention. We've seen the player and even to the player lot of incentives to focus even more on went do the same and only emits Circuit where you know what i mean and also and every little thing the check rules in the rules that don't make people settle in various area of aboard because this is sort of air control game the second for certain aspects and it's a game that invited to spread but not spread too much or spread. But you have to understand how well to spread and this is part of those steep learning curve understanding time some support and the checkered rules. That says if you just stayed two locations you harm. That's out there. It's very likely that your opponent score free points five minus two when actually is gonna check your next time. The ford is through. The check and rules both works as a as a rule that joe cart and give you a good tension because like my god that dzhokhar now but maybe they'll meet so much cars the phones and also like make the opponent pay a lot of attention on your own hands on hand and on how you are well or not so well displaced in a different location in order to understand. When is the right time to do the chicken growth because sometimes when can choose to need some areas free before your crucial attack. But you have to do it in right time where you see. Your opponent doesn't any sent drugs so this mo- but actually choices that you have the game are what creates my opinion this kind of resume and this kind of good choices and kind of maintain the level of tension in the level of death alive entire Yelm awesome explanation again And i am really really Impressed how you came up with with those decisions And what they do to the game saw That sounds pretty good Another thing that i that day that it helps with think is that in many game design. Many games you often kind of a very complex bought state and that is especially true for card games And it's sometimes difficult for players to not only keep track of what's going on on the board but also when it comes to to debating stuff to do all the activation and i think it's really a clever design and elegant design How you did it in in riffles. You only activate very specific aspects of the board of the game Very specific cards are lanes. So you you're able to divide that kind of complexity into small chunks. That are easier to cross by the players and that that is something that is very I'm very very welcome by by many players of these kinds of games and that brings me also also to the to the next question so From from my perspective the game looks really like it would be well suited for casual gamers and really competitive gamers as well so Did you have one of those are in mind in particular when you design the game Or was it a always designed to be played by both boasts. Different audiences very good question. Both very very good question. Day as being i think. Two of the main Hard to solve throughout the design process especially for the second part of the design process which means the process. I it was Directly involved when it was directly involved with a company The floor when i was not anymore alone designing as a game designer was nyc are working with average. You guys and first of all the question of activation. I don a i mean i tend to be a very much drawn very much Attracted experiences which are compact which means like are not to khartoum. So i said before i praise lock before I call it. Exploration or collide. Lipid something that reduce little bit the level of control. But i do kind of is level of balance and i tend to like things where has quite good level of control but not so much. Let's say for example. Keywords is a game wet in certain aspects white because you have out but he has a very clever way to reduce the things that you can activate from Like simple you can just activate vaillant faction no and the in my game in re force what. We actually did the beginning. When i presented the game to the company the only main rule that changed in the among the free rules the only aspect of that change since when it presented again to the company and when we actually the game arrived market. Is this the beginning. I didn't have any limit to the number of elements that can be activated wants to discard a car. So you discard for a five. And it's quite likely that you have a lot of five out there. Because of most mike present carnage in your deck. The four light. It can happen that most frequent car near the most frequent cardio deg it can happen. Vet you have a lot of five to accurate new synthetics. No boat because maybe up fives i discarded from in ten cars. Good luck to keep track of and And golic to actually visualize strategically how thing could work up and this was creating a to kind of approach to kind of problems for civil was giving incentive to people to overflow to actually to make a flood of creature comforts to the to the to the board so before activating of everybody has an incentive to play and play play. Play saw he. I'd like twelve fifteen eighteen cars. You start acting because the more card you have the stronger vaccination wear and this was a big problem because we were considering e flight adding Justice play play play. play active. Active activity was a dominant strategy. That will be extremely boring because everybody would have done that. And the game would have been broke and we could have transferred and once the beginning when the activation was free There was the likelihood that somebody could actually apply the strategy. We never really see. Hundred percent of this strategy was really super super effective Wish it was so and two things to actually to contract. Structurally restrict this problem have been to reduce the number of exit. Find you actually reach a beginning. Fancy than we went to fifty then we went to trails because that the the short of a game the less likely is the as noble to happen and if the snowballs starts to appear it ends soon the game so it's not many players as their below this noble and suffering for a long time so okay it's noble don over. Let's play again. And and what we did was like a very good one or two developer. For june in actually had decided to limit the number of creature can activate return after free and then we had like also i can trip that against the said before play card active enough to free after discard a card and free actually told and this has been a of the closure of circle and because given the trip to nation. It's always better to start activating because you can never acted more than free and you core point mainly by killing save at every game core eight ten points on average killing so you you have to be the first one who keeps killing engine going so you have to make sure that they are always have a at least two of recruiter you connected in good enough position to actually make a very important damage to your like breaking the engine under and the actually the battlefield of opponent in a very sensitive coins so he cannot actually contract counterattack you back in ineffective waste and and this was all the game at vann like showed that of this Accurate free has a very good solution very elegant solution to a problem that that would have over vise required more evasive measures to be applied in order to solve it. Because it wasn't really it was really measured by a measure problem of the previous version of the game. And actually we come up with the solution. And since that we notice that activated free creature was a very pathway was very good was very wording. Was very crunchy. The depth of the game was there and actually was somehow more rare. Because now you have. I have for chretien acted eight now. I have to choose free out. Before before collective it's forbes over was not strategic shots that or tactic choisir. I have to be better. And then i you doing a limitation you increase the debt and you kind of off experienced by by far i will say that is something that i have heard many times from game designers and experienced myself that this is just a great moment in game design. When you find some kind of solution for problem that you have and instead of adding something new to the game you remove them something else and solve the problem or read your reduce complexity to solve the problem or you use the the the player choices to solve the problem or you put them kind of limitations in the game to solve the problem because it makes the game easier off the problem at the same time but most game designers when they experience some kind of issue or challenge in their game. Think about how they could solve it in the way off. Okay what can i add to the game. What kind of a mechanic can i add. Or what kind of component can i ask the game to solve it But oftentimes the better solution is to restrict something to to limitations or to remove them saying and coming back to my question before so that you designed the game for casual gamers offer competitive. Gamers true for ya. A this is a very good question. Actually i designed first of all. I designed the game originally from herself. In the sense that i am with memoir i cannot with a memory game in a nutmeg like such a big memory game player i if memory game player existent but i say i just cannot with decides with a game that i enjoyed. That was not a game that i really good match for love and also complained tonight in my like gin design career wildwood designing games. I designed this car game mainly for myself before. Say i want to something really really love. And and this will has been the the drive behind force. Once i presented the game to the company we start to fame who can What kind of player can this game fit. Fitbit kind of niche and So one side. It was quite casualty because like very elegantly simple. Free rules and on the other side was a quite nerdy. Because it's it's reflecting my own nature which is like a guy who loves family gains and lots lie kennedy low games with a little bit more for experience. Mayor is okay. Some expert games. I usually tend to be Like mortar drawn to a family or family plus the phone like ads. Family plus aspect. And but i mostly like a game right. Informatica before and I i love this kind of special abilities. Staff and unlike to make combos before labor was that aspect of myself into experience before we start to think but there in the market of a good game that actually breach this Very casual traditional at gaming experience. I can be like a seat super extreme google or a little bit less the less a little bit more complex Dot for example. And the this a collectible card games is there something that really tries to bridge the two things and it was also asking to some kind of show owners in ian invade unnaturally. They said not really. I mean we have like some games. Like surreal kind of stop. Which actually do this job but is an area is kind of is a niche in the market where no many games are no many games very before to say okay Then we have found the right place where to than to actually orient this senator. This game was a product and therefore we choose to go with search fantasy graphics and fantasy theme which is more nerdy indeed and decide to actually keep the the elegance of original design and actually to make us elegant sociable. And so two actually Are mainly like the people who likes easy game and then we actually trusted that somehow the rare us because both the free the free people of the company that you were really engaged by the game for us. Okay which that. We are not the only people. The word nike this kind of experiences. Note because you never know if a game is going to be successful or not use the other feeling and the feeling can't be true or not you just learn it. You're just understand if you're filling was right wrong when it's too late to change the seats because when the game is already ultimately the market the what has been done. He has to pay the money. You've done everything is too late to come back and So you have to trust in a certain way yourself and your own day status and your own understanding of game design of games in general and hope that the state will work out and like yes. So i think like the game exactly across over and for that reason we also mcafee game We also sell to actually proposed again to foreigners or to actually to The partners may propose the game to shop. They say this assertive own amid magic. As i said before or magic shot dotted and to give like certif- Clear feeling of what it is. So is something between the traditional gaming experiences that our grandparents were used to play and or or for five resident patterns and parents and actually experienced that they're more aligned with the ones. We grew up with Hugo and whatever thank you thank you so much for for explaining all of that about what drift towards your game. So is there anything else that you would like to share with the aspiring game designers. Out there that maybe. I'll working on their first game Any kind of advice that you would like to give them on their way before we come to an end of the show sure as their important to first of all to enjoy enjoy the process. Enjoy creating your games because joy is ever everybody in this game so we're playing to to remember. That is the most important thing because there would be many moments where it's gonna be hard as really hard to actually keep going with the process because he will see project fairly. You'll see that you're not working anymore or the as we were very involved. Don look the same. When they actually become physically games or iraq become prototypes. And it's very important that you keep them enjoying the process of creating an you. Just do it mainly the beginning for fun for joy then second. It's very important that you get very clear about what you want as i said before I'm very clear. I'm vicious says bad when you make a game I really good game. I want to make a game about standout to market. I just want to make a game okay. Game like thousands of people played and his forgot forever from now. No i wanted to make a game at the something game bat standout with market again. But it's it's remember and again that say something important and a game vet. After years and years. I come back to and i'm very happy and proud ceiling. Say look at the things they got. I'm very happy. So something that do for myself Because i won't be like satisfied about my life. And i won't fulfill i like fulfilling an immediate life and i want to lubeck what it created. A controversy created wanted to be some light rain feel k while i contributed to that very well. I'm happy about that so and to do that. You need to be clear because to see and look inside yourself. I would say to look inside your heart. Look inside your principal to look inside your vendors and see the reason why creating big game so you just want to grab the game because your joy them you creating that anyone just to create something for your friends than do that but if you want more from a game you want to become a profession or you really want to make money out game. Which is it's possible. Super hard Decibel or you want to really make a game that gets played again and again really creates very good moment to find enjoyment people then either level of commitment that you have to put into the same rises dramatically. It really goes to the moon in the sense that if the completely different so is this justin hobby something that you enjoy doing an even if you will never put the market is okay. Then okay look inside of south check the answer any say yes because he will like save a lot of time a lot of effort in a lot of energy but you can spend doing things that you rejoin more but if you really want and you really enjoy like crazy Hobby or you crazy. Like to yeti take the chance to live south to go beyond the limit and to see what happens when you actually allow yourself to change your mind in the of south to learn for the greatest like jim designers out there creatives because they're trying to learn from as many people as they can and and yourself to be really like Of like asked me the term naked outside there before like be completely at the service of what is happening and get old information you need to create the best possible experience for the south and for every single player around the word that will enjoy what you contribute degree create advice column. Thank you so much Saw before we before we end the show tell tell the listeners. Please how they how they can find you the internet or riff false because you explain so much so many good things about the game. I'm pretty sure some people will try to check it out. So how can they do that. Where can they find. Ripples hug refers. We have website but should be. I mean w w walk more times. The question remember that any second. Now one more times should be dot com. But if you want a check for one more time on goalie would find our website provides. You can find own instagram. She'd be ashok refers. I'm not so used to use a special for kansas city. And the new. They want to reach out for me You will find me on facebook on my name. Kabul cellini and that's at another website for my game design practices and profession. Before i just contact me on on facebook if you wanted to talk with me or to no better Addition informations about what we actually discussed. Today martin awesome. Thank you thank you so much for being a guest on the nut leper callo. Yeah i really enjoyed talking to you. And thanks perpetrating. The rich people severe. Okay okay then for the listeners. The next week keep shooting for the moon and not like a boss. Goodbye everyone why.

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Podcast #114 - The Ocean Grasps a Van

Shut Up & Sit Down

1:09:03 hr | 1 year ago

Podcast #114 - The Ocean Grasps a Van

"Around. Hello and welcome to the one hundred fourteen shut up and sit down podcast podcast about board games and games and boats and food, not. Game Board of Board Games. NAILED IVA I even folks for joining me. Today is Quinton Smith Hello wingels Halla. How you doing I'm? Okay As okay as anyone. Full months into a global pandemic can be. Yes, yes, isn't it great how shifting baseline can make everything fail a little bit better whilst Definitely being a bit was yeah. I I feel like we've talked about covered so much. In the last few podcast I'm going to do a real handbrake turn and say. Robin talking about coming. I'M GONNA Sell Center by. Saying I've been watching a lot of bake off. The professionals ever do you watch any great British bike? Do Not Watch any professionally or amateurishly. What I'm GonNa do is explain to people because I know. We have a lot of American listeners. Mostly American listeners to apple podcast Americans have cost recently would turned onto the the fabulous reality. Show a great off. I'm here to say if you haven't heard of partake off the professionals. I would go as far as to say. It is the superior shot well. For Fire It. And the main difference I've received from all the contestants. Being professionals is they have to work in teams so rather than just one pass by twenty Scotland's. To professional pastry chefs who have to make like forty little glazed tarts, or whatever and most like it, 'cause they get angry and yell at each other or sometimes one of them will cry. All those little moments of friction where a team you know is put under enough pressure that that the facade kind of cracks yeah yeah. If if you're just tuning in, this is the puck about board games. You give me something gave like baking cakes. I Like I like biking? I like hikes like during diarrhea things but I am fundamentally disrespect the concept of recipes in a way that makes me terrible Those things yeah I. Yeah, biking is like the most recipe centric form of of cuisine I would say. You don't have the scales in your house. They're awesome skies, I'd I'd. Like but I normally get away with it like I've got. A four specific thing and it does limit me to only doing the one. There's one cake that I can do. Fatty reliably one is. Party fatty reliably and by saying were 'cause I know them quite instinctively, but I couldn't give you any more precision than that, and so what you bake off is probably GonNa give me lots of exciting ideas I. would then ruin. I've gone exciting idea ever. How about all the exciting board games we're going to be talking about on this podcast sounds like a recipe for six. Hey. It's only been a few weeks, but I missed you right on today's podcast. We're going to start by talking about the game that everyone wants to talk about. I have got an early copy of pandemic legacy seasons zero confused by the number. It's the third game in the series following on from season to and I think it might be ruddy excellent. We're GONNA. Be Talking about innovation a game that is overwhelmingly Brown, and yet at the same time contains every concept in the world. Took geometric art a game. The could I guess theoretically contain every concept on how good you are using cycles and dry rice pens. We're GONNA, be talking about Spirit Island cooperative game about scaring colonizers away from an island, using spiders and Fi. So much spiders and fire. We're going to be talking about spicy as well the newest Kagame. Everyone excited and it is in fact pretty spicy. Alright, we're GONNA. Start with our desert I. Ever I have played the first few months of pandemic legacy season zero excited to hear about this. I'm pretty excited about hearing about pandemic Bugsy Season Oh. Okay so, if you're not a wet pandemic is I. Think I'm feel very comfortable. Saying one of the greatest ballgame designs of all time it is a cooperative game for two to four players where the map is a map of the world, and you fly around talked to my wife about this this week. Larry's you play the CDC an organization. I used to introduce when I talk pandemic like five six years ago is like. The Best Disease Organization in the world, obviously recent events in America have made pandemic a little closer to a fast than a simulation. The panic legacy, which came out five six years ago, took pandemic, and then offered a campaign, whereas you played through the story, which said of Matt one year in the CDC's life. You would stick on the board. You would change rules. You would explore the story so that I'm by the end of pendant. In addition to all the secrets in new mechanics, and Tokens and components got uncovered by opening the boxes in the box like you're opening an advent calendar. You ended up playing a different game. You know by the even just sort of April in the year was worth of games would be playing in your copy of anthem legacy. You'll board your diseases. Your rules would be different to everyone. Else's in the world. It was an absolutely superb game very briefly before Graham Haven. It was the ranks on. Geek is the number one game of all time. I at the time would have agreed with that then a few years later, we got pandemic legacy season two. which was this post-apocalyptic? Mad Max spin on pandemic. which took the game into the future did a video review of that as well I? Wasn't a huge fan of suddenly I wasn't as big a fan. As the rest of the board game scene, I had one big criticism of pandemic legace season two, which was the because. it's very small hit. It starts with a small map that you then expand outwards. It didn't feel like had that base that solid foundation of season one, because season, one pandemic, which is an amazing game and then built out on top of it season two didn't start with anything resembling pandemic, and you slowly sort of approached building a full game of pandemic And for me, that wasn't as entertaining. I should say that my experience of being disappointed in pendant season to is I think in the minority. A lot of people thought it was amazing I ever. Did you play either? These guys I'm sorry. Upsetting me still may about. A third to a half way through a the fast pandemic legacy. In no things meant that I didn't get to finish dot com pain so I. Don't think I've really seen it shine. and I haven't had any season to so I couldn't tell you anything about the annoy. was following on some people who were so some bits and bobs about it. But, yeah, pandemic receive for me is one of those things that I i. wish I got a chance to dive more into so I may just find myself getting more and more jobless during this Slash the next year. Everyone talks about this. What I will say is that if you were to stop, you're dabbling and like I do think seasons zero might be a really good place to start and maybe finish by which I mean I think from my occupies. This could be the best box of all three. I'm not sure it depends on what you're where you're going full, but I should stop talking around season zero. Give what they want. This game is which has been sort of hidden coyly by the publishes until I think. Yesterday at the time of this podcast released so pandemic seasons zero is a Prequel, and it is very very very heavily inspired by the cold wall, so what you play in the one thousand, nine hundred sixty one doctors standard pandemic right, but there's no diseases. You're going to be fighting at the start of the campaign. You are just fighting the Cold War You doctors who? Who are trained as spies, and you are going to be flying around the world, not defeating diseases, but defeating Soviet agents so rather than disease games get placed around the boards you and said fight these common San Diego looking at pieces, and I should say before we proceed any further absolutely adul-, the design of of season zero I feel like it's set of. closeable kind of cult while this is not a war game. It's very much like a Saturday morning cartoon of the cold. War as you know it's. It's more like. Well, how to describe it so the amount of people? My character has sort of either killed on neutralized in one game of legacy. The season zero is already it puts it into the. Marvel universe level of number of fights that I've had. A and one inch, so if you saw. The going around killing people better than that ever. In previous pandemic games, this idea that as your personal character who you're developing, the campaign got exposed to diseases. They would kind of increasingly become more and more likely to die in pandemic legacy season zero, and before any further describing this, I should say. There is a heavy embargo is to civil the secrets in the box. I, I'm not going to be teasing any anything other than what you find out when you open the box and stop by that's all I'm giving on this podcast and the official shuts down review, which will feature my thoughts on the whole finished. Campaign will be in just a few weeks. But so funny the you not really being doctors is, but you are pretending to be doctors, because rather than this idea that you might get sick and maybe die. You now have a little. Every character has a little possible, and if you spend if you start your ton in cities, the under surveillance by the Soviets, you lose cover, so there's this idea that you all sorts of like fight possible might eventually be burned when the Soviets. No the IRRESPON-. By excellently while you have within the fiction beginning doctors pretending to be sir, you are spies who are trying doctors as well. You will have to pick a cover occupation, which is why he can fly around the world, and this is a stick gets put into your possible so I think my character is like I'm a medical conference organizer, but in practice that just means I fly to Cairo kill three dudes and pretend time on. conference. So, that's pretty fabulous. the the big mechanical change here, there's a couple of them. And then I suppose I'm coming to the limits of what I can really talk about without spoiling the game. The big mechanical changes from Vice Pandemic fussed off I'll start with the one. I don't like so narrowly in pandemic when you pandemic is all based around this lovely mechanic. Where when you get a city, every city in the world can only hold three cubes. How disease that city as if you would have put a fourth Cuban instead, there was an outbreak which causes a disease to be put not in that city, which Max out at three keeps the one Cuban. Every connected city, so it sort of spiders out, and that can cause you know chain outbreaks where wants a d. POPs, and that Cuban another city that had three keeps. That pops as well It's a satisfied mechanic. It's terrifying its lobby to think about. That is one of the things that has been removed because how much you know about the called will, but if you put a critical mass of spies in a city, it doesn't create spies like through of sexual I thought that was literally. What the Cold War was about. Now. You've been listening to him and you can watching too many history documentaries on youtube again. Instead what happens in pandemic legacy season zero is a city parks when you would put a fourth. Lovey, red trenchcoat Soviet spy in it. You instead draw the bottom cod of the infection back on every cod has like a different possible bad thing that can happen for example. It might say you know the Soviets. Blow up a safe house. If there is one in south, America or it might say, put an extra. You know spy in every city. That's had an incident in Asia. The reason I don't like that is because for me. Pandemic is so much about planning and when outbreaks When you know the consequences of an outbreak, it's kind of a shame to just say like. Oh, now might happen that and you have no idea whether. Far In my Playa pandemic legacy zero halftime. Those outbreaks do nothing because it's like. PUT A spy in I've replaced with a thing with in this area, but you don't have that. There's no consequence but equal late. The consequences could be absolutely devastating what you're planning to do you just not. Say Horizon into things just eight as it is, it makes the game sort of a little more. Surprising. But it sacrifices that in terms of strategy so I'm not in love with that change, but what I do, like is a couple of other changes to the game. One of which is cities now allegiances just in the same way you you'd have in twilight struggle, which used to be the ballgame scenes favorite game ever I'm west. Cities can either be Soviet or allied or neutral and. Everything about the game implies that's he's going to have a huge effect. Light to it already has a huge effect in the game because it's harder to fly into Soviet controlled cities where it's easier to fly into allied controlled cities. And so presumably I mean no prizes for guessing though cities are pretty good change allegiance as you move through the campaign, and you'll end up having discussions like we can't let London become Soviet because that would ruin all transportation link. The big mechanic the big mechanical. Looking to kick get a kick out of as the vans. You'RE GONNA. Get saw. This game confirms. The skin was designed by Matlock and W. both of whom are Americans on this recurring thing that I found out from my American. Wife where Americans seem to believe that all bad things happened invents like the only reason you would ever Nevada as if you are some kind of criminal insuring Europe, we use vans to transport goods from place to place Americans. Use pickup trucks for that and vans are exclusively the domain of people who. who also somewhat troubling in one way or another so rather than curing diseases in this game you instead create teams of bad dudes. Advance right? You have five matching Aydin like a allied. Todd's rather than Cashman to cure disease. You not cash them in to create a van. Full of people who have alias that is either allied or via or neutral, so basically the cold you know, the is the eagles or some mutual name and that. Can then be driven around by players and the van whenever you're on ends, eliminates all Soviet as in the city that it's in. So you end up rather than just carrying diseases and to think about them, you then create vans which off something you have to think about the way you make the van, because let me tell you even if you make a van to clear up troubles in Pyongyang that vans going to have a really really really long drive to go and kill spies in your. So that's some sort of like. I feel sad, because this is very exciting, it's secrets has loads of stuff. I want to spoil even just in the first few months of planet. I can't say any of that so instead I'm stuck talking about vans. I have to say is a very bowl games. He things. I you know what the thing that everyone going to be really excited about Vance. What if I told you these vans with the cutest little plastic vans, you've ever seen little plastic vans with a little hammer and sickle printed on the back, driving around murdering people. is built tiny tiny, pretend communist city wherever the it's lovely, another tiny touch that will reveal how much scraping the bottom of the barrel in terms of can actually say about this guy without breaking the embargo, kids. It's nine hundred sixty one lots of the city names the difference. Beijing is called something else I should add that up before through at this point. I on the people to go home fully empty-handed, so I will reveal one more thing that is like. Immediately apparent as soon as you open the box, so it doesn't fit my definition of a spoiler, but. When you're making your character poetry, which goes in your little possible with little fake identity, the game comes with a hole in the face. You into the possible is bold and has no identifying features whatsoever. And then you get to missed, potato headed up by putting on a hat. Have classes a suit jacket all of this stuff and then when you make different identities for that same character, so what the game starts you've like you'll say identity your American identity and you get to dress up atmosphere potato heads, but the game clearly hints that you will get other Soviet. False identities, neutral papers, and then you have the same face, but you're going to dress it up different. So the eventually you'll have multiple possible. It's you can use challenge to different people with multiple names for your character, which is such a fun Cold War thing to do. So it's not. Like. That's the archetypal legacy thing, isn't it? The I is every every game is going to be different, but actually being able to strike off the signing. Every character can be different, but yes to build their own things straight away like it's really really nice kind of like symbolic thing. Sorry out while I was just GonNa say I have not played a pandemic legacy. That's had such a strong start as me and my wife, arguing about who would get like a particular shot. which is just very very pleasant. I also really liked the fact that they've decided that like since they managed to knock twilight struggle off the top spot on the BG one hundred. Instead can afford us up for the second sequel. Actually just try and make version of twilight struggle. The is all side pandemic legacy. That's. Nice shift in kind of tired and tired, and I dare, and yet that does make me excited. Yeah I guess because it's a pretty cool. It can stand alone in a way that the. couldn't necessarily so yes, exactly, that's something. I would also say while applying season two without playing season, one would be. The reasons that would be a shame season zero belt, so the lots of hints sister. You know setting up stuff that will happen in season one to, but you can absolutely. If you've not like, you, said before go straight into seasons zero. But if you want to know more details as to how I think about the against the couple of seasons, it just going to have to wait for my full video review, which will be in just a few weeks. I'm so excited to do it. refilled my vans hype. But equally petrol. Tank, tank hype tax. Okay so now I've talked about. Maybe perhaps even the most colorful exciting. Production of the whole year. Do you WanNa? Talk about innovation which you told me you've been playing recently the Brown honest and in somewhat like I would a written review of innovation on the site which I did, and it's maybe the meanest I've ever been about how a game looks. Tell the people why you've been enjoyed I'm so have you paying innovation online? Quite a lot like it's a game I'd like to already took about in my roundup of college at Games, contradict being possibly my favorite designer, a Netflix all. The past who I pitched a massive bulk review of like I. Just WanNa to review every guy and I wanted to see exactly why I find these say fascinating, so you can have a look at that on the website. Link in the. If you're looking at this podcast description on shut down dot com link to your roundup of games in that because I love that. So innovation is probably cultured. Not, necessarily most accessible game but me. The most widespread mice popular game on is in the American edition is definitely the Brown est thing ever. Having a slight Sepia, tired and a little bit of color. There's a a yellow edition is distributed around. Europe's is somewhat more colorful, but my sleep kind of sense of being more garish, the necessarily being. Bought, Exists in went up. In The because fundamentally, the always going to be bit Graham because it's. The entirety of human history expounded on a ten decks of cards one. Each dot represents a different age. I'm you all read? Sing to do what you would normally do in a civilization game and become the best by expanding and screaming vio neighbors innovation the reason why I wanted to talk about it is because I've actually like since since lockdown, I've been engaged in a kind of incredibly heavy jewel with a complete stranger, who I challenged, or who I picked around him game with all on the. Ball game arena. I'm ever since we've just been constantly matching each other as I slowly tried to actually become good at this game. That's awesome is great. It's been raining a of random chats in the little chat box about quite. A little things. and. and. We've just been going out and it's fails like A. Of the the bit. You did the Dopson That is actually cool. I'm your street fighter. attempt to become the best in the world. That street fighter it was. It was attempt to get into the top twenty percent of players yeah line. Don I failed, but that podcast is called the contend. If people felt like googling the good stuff, it's good stuff so this is being a bit like a and. I think in this guy wants. In about what's probably arching might twenty games outside at the moment. which is interesting because I think one of the things that people criticize innovation full. A law is a a random element fails like it's not possible to be good because. There's just so much going on. I'm not so be true. Because if it was random I, would have won more than. Clearly like an amount of knowledge and talent, you can build up at this game and I think that really excites me, so let's quickly go through. Innovation is actually about so you're trying to be the best civilization. But it is entirely a card game, so you've got cops reach. H has an array of symbols on them are arranged in a very particular fashion on a little bit of text explains what the action associated with that car is. So for example. COMP think of an example I don't know why, but what the last time I paid. Innovation I used a cod cannery which enabled me to can. Yes, so everything will have a tenuous relationship so every card concept, so you might have the concept of agriculture. Agriculture then when you activate dot, com, you'll be able to. Score points. Jewison things your school something not get you to winning the game. You Win the Game Not by scoring points directly, but those points allow you to. Claim achievements. Or dominations, depending on which version of the Kanye planning. Which single caused you talk on your Analysis you know you're one of four five or six steps towards winning depending on how many players you're playing with. The Cobra vote of this style is h has symbols on an has these texts on. How much of those symbols you have spread out in front of you on a top five different colors of cards dictates how strong you are at something, so if you've got the plant symbol than yogurt farming, and if you've got the consul symbol, YOU'RE GONNA! Be Barrett fence and war and such. A nasal interrelate with everyone else at the table, so we've I've got not supplant in. You've got no plants then I may be able to believe you with plants. Lets me do that. All you try and do something with plants. I'm just going to get it for free because I'm more plants than here. Rights I'm that back-and-forth is such a fascinating dynamic of life trying to constantly put cards down that. Let you do two things you want to do was also making sure that you've got enough resources of these different types to be stronger than the other person or to fight off attacks, or to be ready, and one of the joys of playing this online that you don't have when you're playing in pass, and I think makes it. Almost Susan to that is you have time to actually look at your opponent's Tableau and see exactly what they've got what they could do what they might be planning. And try and counteract that so with you to actions in each and you've got the opportunity to. Play something that gives you. The defense in an active is something else that will will get in the way of that plans on. These cards are so ridiculous like ten ten bucks. They get increasingly powerful as they go off and buy halfway through that. You're already doing things that seem like they should be impossible. The night would break the game if that was that was a thing on its iron, but boasted you access to these things, and you're trying to raise to get through those XS quickly as possible. On, his is a weird little night, man and I really hot. Recommend it like in terms of like especially as a play a game where you can just absorb what each other is doing. And tight the time to figure out what the what a implications of each of the cards. If. You play with someone more experienced you. You're probably GONNA. Lose over and over again, but it's GonNa. BE FASCINATING BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA lose in a different way every time. I mean I think that's probably the thing that I would. suggest people if they you know. We're looking for reasons to play innovation. You know it's when you talk about it. Being random, it's not it's not random. Who Wins? It's random which calls out of the games preposterously like vast repository of cards, an ideas and concepts and game breaking rules will shut off in a particular game, the exactly an interlock him such unusual wise like. You'll always have a bit of hope. Because there's always even been. There's been a few games where it's got down to We haven't got five achievements just needs one more to win. and I'm that, and I'm like well and way behind, but I also have twice as many of the symbols and much higher level much further through the through the ages. then than he is so maybe I've genuinely got chance of. Getting today taught cards because in a lost I, each like there's a load of cards that just make you instantly win the game like you can get to. You clear war one of them well. No nuclear wasn't a a nightmare. Doesn't that you win the game. It has quite apart. It's actually not called nuclear. Its Nuclear fishing rights and has won a bit of either is will. Vice. To the but it's easier active I every time you use it and one of the abilities is quite powerful and useful. So that's right. Oh, you've got new efficient. You can use nuclear power now. No drawbacks with this how? Well the drawback to having nuclear power is in very particular circumstances. The second thing triggers, and what that does is immediately removed from the game almost everything that has happened so far I. Remember this now. it's it's fully I've not seen it happen, but I love it because I said this in in the culture pace, like is possibly the best mechanical done in the entirety of vote games, because what happens, is you a ton of the cards? That you had apart from achievements. Everything else gets returned to the deck that came from or chuck dial an put back in the box. What effectively means is that you have just been bombed back to the Stone Age. And you start the game again own ICED, but with the victory points that it's as is so small, and it's so full of days I dance unlike. You will rarely get to those. Aged ten cards. The even now is someone who's played like twenty games online and multiple games in person in lots of different environments I've seen so few of I gen cards. There will surprising, and they will just kind of like. You can do wop now. Which is the most common refrain for this game and I I think it's worth it. I think it's west. They're quite steep learning curve and. Land Brown parents. Am I correct in saying that despite innovation being this tiny box? Filled to the gills with causing ideas that were expansion for innovation as well. Yet, they're all I've agile chance to play with them and notified arena so I've got a chance to go into them. There's only one expansion available for the European version that the American version I think has. has quite a few I think four or five boxes to available. No idea what they were getting into icon. It's sort of thing where I can't quite often. You ever a gang board of device game on feeling like there's not enough in vice game, so the fact that there's more stuff. Kind of. boggles me. I mean I'm I'm sort of a head being boggled at the of adding more cards to innovation, but then I suppose if I'm saying like this people if you WanNa try this game, the appeal is that there are so many. Why should it surprise me that there expansions adding more cards and ideas and concepts? Yeah, and I think this. Okay, I'M A. Is. Kind of Guy I. think could possibly be the irony game you play. AM. I think many people would do that, but I think you could. And I think if if that celebrity art with it. This is one thing you're tired of the obsessed with. You'd probably would want to check in a variety over time. Actually when you talk about dealing stranger, you know there are a few different sort of unusual side effects of doing this job working for shuttled. Sit Down and we talked about one of them in the last podcast number one on three. Talked about when you review something relationship to it changes often for the worse, but Yeah, I think one of the big side effects of me. Doing this job is constantly playing new stuff. I don't get to have that experience that I love almost more than anything in both games of getting better at a game with somewhat your relationship to changing you know you you almost learning the other player, and how they play in that informing you about the other player as well you know. Those are some of the biggest highs of how it all tabletop gaming when you play something, Song Times with just one person. And I'm sort of denied that in my job. It's a real shame. Yeah it. Some is definitely being a trait to actually have that time to be able to be focused on one one thing and you know. What, the reasonable! That time is because a match playing like one or two times a night. and. It's been stretching out. Over quite a long period of time, but then you've got the time to think about it and yeah I think. I was getting into that with someone. If you can find someone who's got a guy and you can. Just, go into an isometric guy when one of these online services and just play very slowly over and over again like innovation something like. Complicated an interesting, but. Simple Simpleton structure recommended. Lovely I do have a plan to make up for the fact that I've not probably explode. Any of Culture Games Messiah Nine Stars. Ryan innovation relay the I'm going to try and get into a g and say that the new one that's coming out of Control I. Know You try to prototype and I know you said it wasn't necessarily guy I also heard that from the subway very wrong about Games podcasts I. Have Faith shot snuck in a tunnel. bummed game as he I mean, he's definitely ten DOT COM Games. So well, I'm not one hundred I think there's some the wake of others and. I worry that he's not a traffic hit machine. However I do think Jane. Wall has played two games now. They will practice types. On a big part of the problem with them is the the wedding. They did to be fixed, so I suspect that I will be in staff. The final published addition, but I do think Mary's. He's the wildness of innovation as well as some of the intricacy of some of the other games in a way that is challenging, but I think could be could be brilliant I. Honestly I'm just kind of because it's about trading in the Mediterranean which I've discovered that quite like when. When when the team is vivid and I'm imagining you know Cosco Volleyball I. Get quite into that. Yeah. I'd I I mean cinematic vividness isn't necessarily something. I would say that culture to excels. We'll be a card with olive oil printed on the night or will just because with you know mercantilism to. Get Nouns is what I'm asking you will get. Every every college a GNC is named off to an island from the aginst. That's not trade goods it. I'm, not gonNA. I don't think it's really a game about trading. It's more of. Writing, and seizing, grabbing I'm sorry. Shoot that because he's taking place in the Mediterranean of his of old trading they it's mole slowly building stuff on islands and then stealing from your neighbors. Well. Let's move on then speaking of producing stuff on islands, I, I've implying a little board game out of Taiwan. Called Geometric Art. This probably be getting a full video on the site. It's only a little thing, but I did have a lovely time with A. This is a box containing six sort of dry arrays. easels plays the drawer on. And you can either play cooperatively, and then you're cooperatively trying to figure out what the heck one another adjoining or And then you to sit of draw something the at least one player on the table will immediately get and then the player who drew that thing on the play. who gets it both get points. Basically damage is about drawing with incredible handicaps. You roll a bunch of Dyson, the middle of the table. All of geometric shapes on triangles lives kind of covey lines spirals. The kind things that artists use, and then you get a category like for example we had one, which was things in a refrigerator and Playa. Simultaneously have to use all the shapes of rolled, but only once so if a dice the triangle USMC can any three-sided shape. If it dies shows a circle, you can suck oval that kind of thing, but you can gonNA use each of these things. Things once Sarah essentially. You've got to pick something that you can draw that. Other plans will recognize using six discrete shapes bots it has that thing from popular posse game just one where if any to is around the table? Draw the same thing that both penalized. So you WANNA go a bit unusual in a bit edgy without dumbing like you know. Yes, it's possible that someone can have like. A pig trouser in that refrigerator. If you draw that, it's not going to be good Freddie but. I. Like geometric a lot. I had a really nice time with it and. I did maybe like most of all is. It doesn't feel like other join Games. For. Awhile you know the site has only ever said if you WANNA join game bipolar mania, which we do absolutely love. Your mind was my very, but we think it's the join game. Geometrical is during game I played where you could have it and pick. Samania because the puzzle is not drawing or guessing really, although that is part of it, the puzzle is figuring out how earth like. I decided to draw a piece of Bacon in refrigerator, and I had like a line of wavy line spiral, a triangle in a circle and trying to draw a rash of Bacon with that was an axel delight. It was really really fun. Start to finish. Really nothing about geometric isn't right if we have. One of those really really good City party like Detective Club is a good example of this wet. Every part of the multi-stage round structure was figuring out what the is fun trying to joy is fun guessing his fun, and what's probably the most fun having a table of like four players who are looking at you and discussing what the heck that thing is. Like spirals triangles on your sheet and having light radically different guesses is again Radi Ready Fund also failing even is fun, because when someone fails you remove. One of the dice in the pool is in the cult budget fight you remove onto the dice in the pool from the game, so someone fighting suggest something which is extra money. If someone is I must be so biking I must be spike and must be better than someone goes I. Think it's a soft drink. The the person who's wrong means that you all have one less dice to drill with. She's light. It's just very funny by any means that by the end of the cowboy game you're trying to do the same. TOSCA was not easy in the first place, but you have to do it with like three sites. It's like draw a pastime using suckle anti lines. looked. Really Nice I really liked the idea of. The restriction on your light unite we all night at like the one of the things that increase creativity makes games interesting is when as interesting restrictions and withdrawing games, generally speaking restriction is you're trying to do something foster, and you're not an artist. Harassed or miss you an artist? In which has your taken any good at the game and not frustrates everyone at the table. Is. For the first time I had always I when I'm teaching, join game. If there is an artist or designer anything resembling that skill set as a matt lease at the table for example. I will. Make Fun of them to make, but I do that to me. Like Oh this will obviously win. Do that's my other players around the table? Feel less bad draw. Said of like. Cool the atmosphere a little bit in geometric. Oh, I did that. My friend, WHO's a natural artists and I was like goes on. He's GonNa win and he's. GonNa do great I mean. We started panicking and he was the only pass in the first round to join. We didn't guess. Something in a refrigerator and sleepiq Sushi and to do this tiny thing, which was actually a pretty We just didn't get it. So awesome restriction is coming from people's ability, not just from the time pressure. It's coming from Ashley. No, you've only got the shapes. The shapes clearly not the same shape as the you drawing how you're going to deal with that, but that gives you a totally different set of skills, the drawing upon on a unique every restrictions. The isn't as obvious is like all being good at roaring. Exactly although. On that's how matinee. It's not great manual translated from. Oh, I'm ashamed to say that I don't know exactly what kind of Chinese they speak in Taiwan, but it's not a great manual, but what really cracked me up is while I was struggling to learn how to play the game which succeeded in the end. It's terrible. There was one example of play which was like someone who'd use. Apple and aver, you have never seen a more technically proficient apple for seven. Days like in this during game, you'll be using shapes pictures like this, and it's like for all. The world looks like this Disney Apple, but you. Know I can see they used to try and go for the stem on my God, but it actually looks like they playing with restrictions, which really cracked me up i. who thought this was a good idea. It's. Having an example of play, which is better than anything any player will ever do. Gracious, I. I should actually mention I was pumped to say this. If, you listen to this and thinking Quinn's. Did you play ball games puzzling? Yes, we did we. It was my first time meeting up for big abode name. I'm trying not to be too happy about that. I'm not sure if anyone else in the shuts down slack is in the position, do it. but yes, we sat outside. We kept a distance from one another. We didn't components where possible, but also it's worth knowing the where I live in Sussex specifically in Brighton. On that many Cova cases so mi mosque up and sit outside. Of feel completely irresponsible so I just wanted the our audience know that that is still on our mind as figuring out what the play test. We still prioritizing playing stuff. Where Possible Hong. Spirit island is a game that we've covered on the site before pulled it a written review a couple years back. But there's a new expansion on the way coach. Jaga. And a something on one. It took about suggest month because. A great player experience I had similar to with innovation, but less competitive was playing with my My friend who? We got radiant despair item for a while and every other weekend we were, we were sitting and having a two player. Coop jewel. Way would. Really said Kim says the depths event. Try and make it harder and harder in great to to know it so. That's why I wanted to talk about what is fair. Island spare island is a game of at fighting off a relentless onslaught of invaders. It's got that pandemic fail of explosive, relentless ongoing suffering just kind of pouring in constantly, and you're having to rush around and fix it, but in terms of rushing around fixing it, you are actually. You'll the indigenous spirits of. Islands is being invaded and your that help the. Indigenous People. Of The island hand. Ward, off this invasion, and you start off and you just you just a quiet communist spirit that being like shove trundling about like the Hannah excellent living in harmony with with you and with the nature of the island, so you've had a good ecosystems in going on for a while. And then something comes and disrupts at and that's where the game starts, and on the most powerful creature in the world. The beginning I mean you're not really a creature, a spirit. Of just picked out a few days, because the names of the spirits is like one of the my slight, joyfully brilliant things about the game. You might be playing. IS OPTIONS HUNGRY GRASP? Spread of rampant green. Oh, the bringer of dreams and nightmares. Wow, okay, so let's let's take the oceans hunger grasp if I am as I am in real life, oceans hungry grasp. What does that mean for the game? So that means I should hungry guas would have a few powers that by around in condition on attacking. So you've got an island surrounded by water normally that wheelchair is just a dead side. Supplies Wed. invaders can come from, but otherwise it's not a landscape ocean. Across completely breaks. Dot will and mostly exists in the water and has destroyed range tidal mechanism that means that they will get stronger when the tie that what I can get stronger by pulling tied in, and then they can push tied back towards the land, and and overwhelmed so vehicle of you applying when you're. Ready Struggle with gangs inland like is very hard to have powers that will let you reach to the heart of the island, but. What's great about it as you can? Pull people into the sea and just destroy them. So have you can get your other a this is this is what's so great about this game, and this is why it's pretty interesting to collaborate and try with different combinations of spirits, different combinations of powers. Is that like I? Think the game where I I shouldn't hungry grasp the other? Playa was something that was that was great at shifting people around, so we would just in this thing of just like constantly hugging people towards the cowboys in the invaders towards the coast signs that we could drown them. So I. could just so if you can get one of them lined up here than I can just eat them, and that's not at all, and you're constantly solving this kind of puzzle. There's a really interesting dynamic within the game where you have these POW cards. Some of them have lost some of the slide, which basically means during a time some of them you can use before the invaders do all of that gripes in movement and Dimanche and some sly one. You have to off to that sire. Detailing with like a kind of future thing and All, of this is mostly predictable. Miceli deterministic like there's a cop you draw tells you whether they will be moving next Ny, but you know that that that same landscape that they moved to will be the one that they will be building on next rounds, and it's one that they will be destroying the round off to that. Like. You're saying with pandemic. You've got this ability to predict what is coming and where you need to add people and because you're a made up of power cops, and because you've got an action, cold garage, the beginning of each town. That's you learn something new place power structures in different places. You will slow to getting stronger and stronger and more powerful as it goes on like I am. Arriving back about how it's got a very clear like three act structure whereas this fast time. Less fast act where? G slowly learn like how the game walks, and how these people are going to be attacking in what you can do to deal with them, and then a second act things just catastrophically wrong. An everything could is all of these enemies expanding exploded, and they're suddenly everywhere, and you can just about your. You're just about saving some people, but you know actually doing quite enough is going GonNa go horribly wrong and the is almost wise satiny. In any way you managed to win. There's a tilt point. You become powerful enough. You've become just powerful enough to be slightly more powerful than them, and from then on. It's just kind of like incredible wash of like. How you will be doing tidal wave that will annihilate everything, and you would have picked everything in today's things and you. You can become so powerful in a sense of how that power builds is is kind of amazing, because it's not just that you have more of the currencies that come in age of the college, you have would have a special power and ability often be. Extra strong vision of the ability that you can do you have sutton resources available, and each has a college you play, gives you some of these particular forms of energy that you got to use up during the course of that time. You got to plan maze mayors right? It's like a, but if I do that, and that the not makes this thing so much more powerful, and then maybe without I can do this thing as well and your time get more and more elaborate is quite. A complicated game is quite a complicated game to get your head around initially. Or it's all quite deterministic, so you can't just follow the process. It'll just be very confusing fast rounds, but you get that sense of development. You get out sense of gross in it and I think it's I think it's really brilliant for that and. H It also has a challenge to like the standard criticism ops and one of the reasons why I actually a bit tentative about pandemic is the fact that with pandemic of lot of the time is kind of easy for one person to hold the whole puzzle I had. Someone can work it out then. They will just ended up putting everyone today. I'm spirit item is impossible because figuring out what you're GONNA do. Yourself is so tricky. And so much of the information about what you can do is contained in Qods intricacies. They would not be possible to tighten so all you can do. Is I look I could probably do some damage. I've ahead if we can get them into that and they're like okay. No, that's fine. I can move them into that of you. Can you do something about this? Because I can move them there if I don't deal with this. No Okay Yeah I can come up and deal with, and it's just. The whole game has those kind of like cascading ideas and you do genuinely feel like core pricing collaborating unlike finding out never quite knowing what you will can do that. As you walk, how as you learn from each other you? You'll gaining new stuff. More complicated, making a more powerful and giving you the flexibility, and I love it, and it's really wonderful to play a game which I wouldn't have thought I think it's probably said longer with more players, but with two players. There's just A. There's just a really good report to the game. The way you're describing. It reminds me of wrestling tag teams. You know where it's like the when you're when there's only two of you and the things you do so different. You know there's. Like you can kind of get lost in a three or four blackout game, you can have tons. You don't know how you for Tim, but with the way describing it as a to ply game, the I like the sound of using one. Another's constantly. That sounds pretty delight. Yes, yeah, that's it is very much you you start to learn what other people can do. And once she learned that you can stop coming out with more and more elaborate, wise of collaborating and and Yeah I love it with replays. You can really. Visit Oh bit where he will just stagger cards and trying to work out the limits of what you can do, and then there's a bit where you start talking to each other an. Going through what gach without scholar as the plans change every time you do that? And I think that's really yeah. I think I think it's very very strong game. When you were describing it's it reminds me of one of maybe even my favorite cooperative game aside from pandemic legacy, which is space alert, but that does a similar thing where. It's actually if they're. Called Games like pandemic players can work together, but really the public simple enough as you say someone to hold it in the head, one level above that is so complicated that everyone is can't call tobacco because everyone has to be so fixed that you don't think spicer is I think the level above that what you need both you actually it's so complicated that you need to delegate and someone needs to say okay. You need to go deal with the slime in the engine room, and not as a hilariously complicated puzzle for that. But, also you still need that quarterback role that To delegate to tell one another to do. Western forces, a hierarchy and you take one to have a captain is going to be like now. Actually this is what we need to do now you make it happen. Yeah, and the I haven't played that price recently. The time I remember really liking that because you know, quarterbacks exist not just because it's a natural human impulse, because some players do like doing that, so I guess it feels like a more elegant solution to be rather than make a game where no one can cost the back, but to acknowledge that play pretty will want to do that, so let them do it, but let it not other other plays. Yeah, and I think that that can be a question of like. Making shows that if someone can be. is nothing when we someone taking a strategic role and saying right, this is what we need to be doing overall. We need to especially in this direction. I think the time when that actually becomes a problem court becomes a problem is. When you know the. Yeah when someone takes your time when when the thing like the tactics it that dot dot finally level like how do I actually do these things with the tools I'd go in front of me because if you've been given US tools and you end up, being told how to use them as the most frustrating thing, always think of I went to a net run a may top. Early in that is of of everyone. Being really excited about net. Rana and someone had a deck and I said Oh. You can use my bag. That's fine I'll I'll. I'll I'll teach you how to play. And they. Basically took every time for me, so they were playing the game. I was just holding the cards, and it was so frustrating, and they went to obey and I just like furtively lake to move while I were. Just just to try and feel some of that of that feeling. In control. And they came back and told me that I'd lost a game because. I. Messed everything up. I. DON'T MIND IF I've lost the game and messed everything up. As long as it's me doing it. Gets. Better or worse than me winning having had like no import. So. Yeah, so I think something that can resist not impulsive. Good that you definitely could have someone who's like right. This is what we need to do, but they are not going to be able to explain to someone how they are going to do that. You're going to have. Your in cobs and the abilities that you've got in order to act out and quite often they'll come up and say oh, no I can't do that. We need to adjust the strategy. We need to address your thing and not back. Is. Is Really Fun and. It's a very small kind of moment, but it happens quite often volumes I love it. Where in those scenarios we describing in a team by Scammer, a game where one player has to of hold that side of the game one side of the game in their head. I love that you as a teammate took them and say hey, listen. I, don't want you doing, but actually it would really help me if you could do this action over here and you watch as you have IMP like a set of punch-card into their rally computing system, and you get to see a friend like. Hang on Ya, Ya Ya I can do that, yeah? I I duNno, it's not even me making a decision. I just like watching my like messing up my friends calculation, but then bending and just managing to make what I asked full work. You know what I mean. Yet absolutely that thing of. Oskar for something and in watching, someone crumpled into that. Despite. Often. and. You don't know how complicated it is. Man when man I learned video editing software you way back ten years ago. We would joke that if imagining a client who asked. Can you put tax context appear on the screen and we imagine this imaginary plus. Tax That's GONNA cost you when of course type? Thing in Texas on the easiest things you can do a video That's the thing when you Oscar teammate, and can you do this? Because, you don't know what game plan you have. No idea that's going to be easy for them That's going to collapse their entire mental. Yep Yep this this has that. That's what I would say. If I was going to give one thing about islands it would be. This has despite. then. What's the? What is it in the expansion that you're excited for? What's it cold? When's it coming out? The site is already be one expansion brunch inclu. Which adds extra spirits, his calling of necessary to fill out the game to its its full potential, because it has a mike stay, it makes decks like about five times as large, and that gives you so much more variety and interest. The new expansion is cold jagged loss. I think it takes up to six players, which I think might be a little bit hash or also in theory heineous night you allowed to do things. If you on different sides of the you can just do. Like you still have to have that discussion about what you can do in what order you're going to actually do things in, but all of the deciding and all of the the actions is largely simultaneous, so you could probably still. But amazing is just not more spirits in it. was. All while spirit is, is some spirits the. GonNa. Spirit about that. Conroy's cold, but is about the concept of time. So! rewind. Time. Night they've gone really really wild with the spirits, and they are like not beginning friendly, but should be absolutely fascinated and I've got a lot of I've got a lot of respect for the design had like I think it is it does it does everything right to make it as interesting as possible and like it's one hundred expansions while I'm really excited, because this is clearly them stretching to the limits of what they can do. It's really bill out of having played the game a lot and benign. What's the weirdest things we do? One of the spirits is basically build your own spirit spirit, who has so many different options and so many different powers that they could be able to take home that you get to decide exactly what is good and what is bad. through the course of the game that is that sounds punishingly complicated sired like fascinating. Yeah, I'm really I'm really really excited. Actually, wow! I, Live up to big exciting box, spare island, but I can't talk about a cute little small box I was about am I can close out the podcast with that ever. Have you heard of a little card game? Spicy I have this. Did we cover this on the news? And it was one of those games I didn't have a lot of information about birth had a good simple and gorgeous art and. Ridiculousness of. Right. That is a game about cats having a hot food eating competition. Yeah, in the same way that you know the cod game, war is about theoretically war, but. You're not gonNA feel like a cat. Even get a feel like. Spicy. This is from a Hungarian designer whose name I'm GonNa, absolutely butch called Jerry's all tangible and it's by German publisher to lovely production, absolutely gorgeous gorgeous production. It's a lovely logo. The box is almost entirely done up in gold. Reflective material to the box is basically like solid, shiny gulled the art is. Wickets, basically you've got three suits. From numbers one to ten three times, so the deck is like Ninety Qods plus an extra civic. It's so the three seats, Sabi Chili peppers and pepper like as in salt and pepper. And the cod up each depicts a the cat getting closer and then eating the thank so the one of the. Sabi is just Zombie be by itself. The two of us all be is a cat tail peeking into frame as the cat gets closer. Lewis Avi, unlike four or five I think the six. He is the cat realizing it's made a mistake. and. Then it just gets increasingly like fiery and angry, and then the number ten of each suits is the catlike breathing fire and. I think the ten of pepper is like a tiger, just crying. It's an most importantly of course as I've campaigned for snap before. This game does not include the logo on the COD. Bax United because cod backs. Okay, if you've missed my round on this before Cobb backs in Kagame's. Important piece of art because it's the piece of you will see way more than any other piece of art, and if you choose to put a logo or like in a sense, the games cover on the caught up. You're essentially forcing players to look at your Games logo, which is not something plays a designers would do in any other element of the game. They want every other with the game to let good so to your games logo on the back of the card is like just horrific like you're paying me to look at an ad anyway. Rontova spicy hides lovely, subtle caught up with like A. Tiger heading into the backgrounds. I've done all this of this far without talking about the game is this is a bluffing game. A Guy So light bluffing game probably falls into a similar categories scholar cockroach Polka with numbers involved. All is some of the DNA of the game cheat if you played that before so the everyone gets six cards in the beginning from these three different suits. Suits and you have to MTO hand of COTS. Ideally, that's one way to get points. Another point is to kind of stack euro building in the middle when the game when each round stotts. Let's say Your Tan Iva. You might put you have to put on a one to you. All three of a given suit, so you put a three chiller. So you put on a three well, we'll get to. You could be lying, but so you God and you say three Chile the next player then has a number higher than three of the Chili. Suits actually might say five Chilean card on the stack. The next plan might say nine chilly, but because the only one to ten that means the next has to put down a ten, and once someone puts on a cotton says it's a ten than the next person can reset going one two three, but you do have to stick to the same suit so around. Gilio Sabi will always be the Sabi. Catches? No one has to tell the truth about what they're putting at any point. So when you put on a cloud thing three chilly, it can actually be a seven Sabi, and at any point any player can say. Absolutely. Not just put down. You did not happen to have a ten chilly at the exact timing needed a ten I think ally, and then you, but the you contest. It's not enough to say. Was Lying. You have to say either. That's not the number, or that's not the suit. So even if you sure someone's lying, you still have to take the fifty fifty on. What are they lying about? An ideally about both things, but if not you can be in trouble, and whenever anyone Kohl's out, someone else for lying, you see if they were and either they were you correct. They were lying about what you said they were lying about. Point Stack of Caccia Building Up, you take as points, but if you said they were lying and they won, then that player gets the stock of cards instead and the other player, the new lost. The challenge gets a penalty of joins you cuts. It's basically you're during this thing of putting down cards and every time zone. PUT DOWN A card. Everyone's that have narrowed. There is being. Anyone going to call you on it, but. You. Know challenging someone when there's only one odds down is probably not going to happen. Because the penalty would be essentially losing two points, and all you'd gain if you're right is gaining one point, but of course I would that means it's the perfect time to lie is no one's going to call you on. Presumably all of the information that you're trying to build whether you think someone allying. Is Based on information that is very likely to have been lies. Yes, exactly so bad kinda summarizes the game, and it builds on so lovely crescendo, of course, where if no one calls a live long enough in the stack becomes like six or seven cards, the penalty of being wrong as losing two points, but the honest be right. It's like seven cards so as the round goes on on the stakes get higher plays less like likely to lie. And you always have the option as well. You don't have to put on a cod lionore. You can always pass, but then draw cards so penalized for not lying so that kind of summarizes the game very silly, lovely art weirdly was a tiny bit disappointed by only because I went in hearing like this was going to be one of the Best Games at twenty twenty, and it's unquestionably griots apps going in my collection next time I think. I do a round up of like good new Kagame's 'cause the roundup of My favorite traffic might've again. Spicy will go in that it's. The only reason I was disappointed because when I had it was so good. It's neither. A goofy game that excels at being goofy in the stomach cockroach. It's a little more Massey. It's a little miracle, a little more calculating, but ultimately it's still it's a game that wants you to calculate, but you don't have any real data. You know what I mean. It's rules explanation that takes me like three or four minutes to explain, and yet at the end of that like plays can still come out last through no fault of their own. You know what I mean, so it is funny. It is nice. It is good I'm keeping it. It's great play mole. It's beautiful to look at and if you want, a cognitive is looks good gins crisis spicy is a fabulous thing to buy, and I should mention it has some expansion box tucked in there in the box that haven't played. Yet it's it's more like an eight or nine out of ten rather than a nine or ten. Which is? I realized not me helping the game to a ridiculously high standard behaviour. Fan I was so excited to play this game. When I see a see people talking about. An epic new card game. My expectations sky-high is hard, isn't it the For that kind of truly excellent cod game is so sir tough, because so many incredibly shops things out that to compare against, and you know the whole field of card games kind of feels like it's in competition with each other like when anything that's like. Like takes twenty minutes. Is Biased in tidy on Qods numerical values and soups like that's already like most of the Games in history to something. Comparing something to an aside, some of the shop is modern games by things like the. Arch cat, like they will already there as kind of incredible examples at genre. 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GSMC Television Podcast Episode 310: Naruto Series

GSMC Television Podcast

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GSMC Television Podcast Episode 310: Naruto Series

"Watching tv has changed over time. Streaming has become the new norm. That's why golden state media concepts television. Podcast dives headfirst to the world of cord. Cutting wants to be on the loop of what's hot and netflix. Or if it's not a preference what about original shows in hulu. We've got you covered. Join us as we fill the blank and talk about movies to stream and what show. You should be vigilant this. This is the golden state media concepts television podcast home. Hey guys thank you for tuning in to the g. s. mc television podcast brought to you by the gs mc podcast network. I'm your host mr finn. So today's rundown we will be covering another four segment. Podcast over the naruto to bore to- series. Which is which has been making headlines on twitter as of lately. And i honestly just really wanna give my thoughts and critiques on this I know that a lot of the viewers here May have heard aboard. Oh and they've probably watched some of narda. But i just wanted to let you guys know more about it allows guys now that i'm also going to be covering these. Others saw the series. So if you want to know more to go ahead and just gotta stick around and at the end of the show. I will give my top three picks of the newest in for the board so cast in personally. I feel are super underrated. So besides that yeah. Let's go ahead and just get started our guys so for those who do not know what board till is or till is a sequel to the narda series that ended about say six years ago. The narzo series ran from two thousand to two thousand seven with director. Masashi he moto narda. The series had a continuation of the characters shown up in explaining. You know what exactly went behind in the original series and everything was tied together later with an osha putin a series that also ran from two thousand seven to twenty seventeen. So that's about like ten years right a way longer than the original run which is absolutely amazing. The putin series had so much absolutely so much more indepth personalities character with lower in the story I definitely recommend watching it if you have nots. But yeah that's basically my childhood as well. Like i said at probably may or may have seen or watch the show even like the manga. So yeah it's honestly just really beautiful to To watch recommend checking it out but with all that being said i did wanna go ahead kinda. Give quick at explanation of the series so we start off with narrow tone saas gay being the main characters are basically traveled child rivals and they are the are like these ninjas into this academy this academy hosts little eight to a sixteen year old ninjas that are trying to basically make it in the world That's kind of like their job classification. So they really start them off really young to get a job and most people do end up picking via the ninja classification just because They get paid as ninjas to go throughout the through their missions and yeah nardo honestly has just been though successful in the world in its. I personally don't really feel like it's a underrated. It's just there's just so much going on that people just don't really tend to stick around for it just because it has been around for about about thirteen years with the original and via continuation should not has become one of the most recognized franchises in being the fourth best selling manga series in history Selling about two hundred fifty million copies worldwide in forty six countries with one hundred fifty three million on of the cells Just being in japan alone and the remaining nice of a billion copies are elsewhere which is more than likely the us the us. it has become one of the Businesses media's bestselling mega series english translations other volumes have appeared all over Usa today the new york times listing it as the bestseller and yet it's one like awards honestly the narped says series has just. It's completely changed so many lives honestly and It's definitely something to keep an eye out for especially with the continuation so after the so much success. The creators wanted to expand the serious a little bit more with continuing that lower bringing in new audiences via the new generations. If you will that didn't grow up with the show like the rest of us in that. Continuation is bortles dr to next generations which began in the japanese english editions of the weekly shonen jump in about early twenty sixteen. Originally the whole series was made with a kishi moto but eventually he kind of pass that torch down to his to his right hand man achim moto and with that supervision of shamoto from time to time. You kinda come and just be like okay. We'll hate fix that or change. This but kishimoto is more of a cutthroat artists. If you will. He does not mind killing off characters. While iggy moto is more of that s- slice of life anime very in the moments if you will This is definitely something that you will see within that bore to- series so do not take its to heart when he sees stuff like that. I personally love slice of the enemy. Episodes been so people don't which still find. Everyone has their own opinion. Which i totally understand. However this is something a little a little bit of like a mix so definitely. Just keep that in mind when you are watching it so with these changes Kishi motive did pass that torch down to achey moto. He had his own his own mangga kind of brewing called samurai which unfortunately did not really make it past. I believe about fifteen volumes decreasing mega cells. Unfortunately they could not continue with the manga. So semra eight was fortunately down but not before we did get released. With more of the information of the backstory. It was kind of like a technology meets. Nardo nardo bore toe kind of looked that same area. I was very like a is kind of like stores a little bit. There was a little bit of like a lower length Honestly it was really really interesting. Unfortunately like i said it just didn't really go past that mega contents. They were thinking about going into a little more into yet. The anime version of it. But you know it just didn't go through. Fortunately so unfortunate there and with that happening kishimoto decided to go back into the boards a series and help out with the rest of a. What's going on at the mega chapters. Which we'll talk about later point but yet that's kind of like the duel between the two. They kind of like went back and forth in just kind of helped each other out so that being said sports the next generations has been aired for about four years starting back in twenty seventeen and continued to have episodes every sunday while the series does have pacing issues. It shows promise in the world what we knew before being exposed to a high technology in the world that isn't promise with the juiciest skills or typical of naruto role. Pacing nartay is very old. School should not be like with like the bushido throwing the sheer akins. Honestly a it's it's kind of hard to pinpoint what exact era denardo world in. I'll be revealed later that it is a bit more like the nineties. Eighties era which is definitely really interesting. Always but In the bordeaux series we would you kind of see more like a faster pace world we see more of technology And we kind of are able to see more of what they were able to build within that series so no. This world is completely different pace. that justifies That that the world is kind of coming to an end With the more high technology livid world but it's definitely something that via next generation of ninjas can prepared to change for that so all that being said Ah you recommend checking it out. The series definitely have really really great run. It was absolutely amazing. it was beautiful. It had so much so much character so much developments and honestly there's just so many like shockers going with that going with that a continuation One thing that. I do kinda wish for myself personally. Is that i I would have watched it more. As i was growing up. i i watched the series in the to me is a. It's basically what she would watch with like cartoon network but it was kind of like a adults kind of it was like a adult cartoon network but with more anime. So that definitely was something interesting growing up but fortunately i didn't really get to watch all around that time but when i did mandar artaud was just absolutely amazing. It was a really beautifully written. The via a the fights were also amazing. There was just so much going on and such much you know world to give so if you were able to watch a nar. Tova was coming out every saturday onto nominee. Give yourself out of the back. It was definitely just like a big change in pace of anime which. I honestly truly hope that this next series aboard to kinda help via the the new readers understand more about it They'll be able to have their own fire within them of learning more. About what exactly the showbiz. Their debts are should. World is becoming just because i know that it starts off a little slow but i am going to go back in via certain arts and just kind of talk about them throughout the next couple of weeks and it just kind of get to know more about anything that we miss and they'll talk about it so if you definitely interested in that if you just want to have a really good discussion the board so series. Just make sure to always check in with me every week. We're gonna be going over this and Definitely find any kind of mistakes or anything that we need to be looking at That we need to potentially just point out. Because i know that the series isn't exactly perfect just yet even like nardo had some flaws you know. A lot of the original nardo contents had a lot of fillers. Same thing with putin but honestly it's it was out for about ten years right so i don't really blame them for creating Fillers but there definitely was a lot of really good fillers well same with the board so series so while we are going forward if that truly do hope that we can find common ground with the abortive series. It's it's a lot of there is just so much going on that. I didn't really understand. I until they went back and i was like okay. That's kinda cool like this This is definitely different than narda. That's for sure but there really is a true true reason. Why they're doing everything even in one of ya the panels it was a can author handle Kishi moto stated that every episode boards. Who has is non filler. It all ties in with the the next episode early via the At a later points which is kind of hard to believe because there are some episodes of a little questionable about that but it definitely is going to be something that maybe at some point that we didn't realize we have to look back at it and be like. Wow this is right. This is definitely not a filler. I personally find it hard to believe but you know pressure in a couple years. It'll be wrong so yeah And the the next topic. We're just gonna go ahead and go over more about the the The narda world for the end of yours that do not know what nardo is exactly learn more about the characters learn more about what exactly the point of the inartful series is and yet Will go more into the continuation of or two and hopefully get some viewers to understand. Why bore toes great so yeah We'll see you after the break to know the latest and hottest music hidden in the air wedge left out. Listen to the golden state media concepts music podcast hip and top flooring. And we'll throw in news of your favorite artists concert and tour dates and so much more listened no further because this is the gold standard music. Podcasts do all right guys. Thank you for tuning into the g. s. m. television podcast brought to you by the gs mc comcast network. Like i said. I am your host mr event and we will be going over the the fourth segment podcast over the narzo to board so series. The last time that we were talking we go over the narrative series. A little bit more about like the history why was so famous and on kind of like the history between the two creators. Kishi moto and But i in this next segment. I did wanna go over a little bit more on the war in the characters and just kind of understand the more and also don't forget that at the end of the ad the whole podcast i will go over the top three characters of the the next generation who i believe were gonna be top tier. They're going to be the best the best in my opinion so to stay tuned for that Yeah so our guys Just from the look of benard series and just kind of how it up. it formed From the board next generation series We do want to kind of know more about the back story. Just that way that you have a better understanding of you know who are these characters and why are they so important. And for those for those of you who do not know the characters from the original story. We have The main people like arto saskia sassen choji e-e-e-e-no schick amaru nada. He broccoli ten ten neji. And of course there's going to be more like gara and Tamari and conqueror but those are more of a really side characters the kind of become relevant later in the series but these basically all just like Squads from like certain teams the main people that that want to focus on are gonna be narc zone saas gay Sacre in these teams are from the The hidden leafs village and kind of like the role of a ninja. Is you know you. This is like your job. You get a sign at a very young age which job career choice you want to kind of. Go into In that she's gonna be be like a medical examiner. Could be like opposed man or you can just be in india right so of course lockable picnic just just because you kind of learn more about like your family's history learn more about the ways of Martial arts in like a midget there. There is a lot of different lord behind it. A every single bill has its own kick again. Kite which basically is like a pass down. It's like a. It's pass down juicy. That only the the family members of village knows about so a lot of the people are kind of like for startling forced but like they feel obligated to go into that ninja routes. Of course you do see people choose different pass along the way but the main ones of course you know stick with it so you know as they go off from the village as ninja the also have the opportunity to battle other ninja to protect themselves and their village for people. That are in embassies guided. Maybe they don't really know much about why they're doing this. Maybe they're just literal. You know soldiers to only fight for the village. It's it's honestly kinda sad if you really think about it but it really does help the motive of a lot of characters in this series so just kind of keep that in mind as you are watching or reading the manga. Yeah so ad for those who do not do know main story. We know that the In the ritual narzo series. It was about narves zone. Saas gay who are rivaled. Each other on they kinda grew up together. They hate each other and they are practically eventually going to be like the strongest individuals in the world. See so marto machi he has. This is powered side of. It's called the the nine tails and there's basically know other tales out there these tales kind of give the the vesoul power power based off. They're like unique skill sets. So nocco has is. He has like a fox demon inside of him in fox demon was basically sealed inside of him by his own. Father who is monotonous is a monkey may not to was the fourth oka- gay who was amazing ninja so skillful. Unfortunately he did die. Sealing the fire are sort of the fox Inside of naruto and naruto basically had shunned from the village. Because about what's really unfortunate. Considering that his dad was the ho- kagame the guy is also basically kind of like the president of like the village. They are in charge of everything. They are also the most powerful ninja in that village. So kind of thinking about it. Manado is powerful and eventually nardo was to become akagi instinctively. He does not know that his dad is the cog a but eventually kind of like learn more about that And the story about saas gay is a saas gay. He is the sole survivor of the Jia clan so his name is sausage and everyone in his village is a guess it there you guessed it on the are able to possess a rare again guy called yet up sharing gone and the sharing gone is basically kind of late this power that enables you to you have a either really tactical vision as in like if you were to try to attack me i would see your attack before even attack me or maybe i'm able to copier moves on if you fight me like a certain way if you hit me a certain Attack like jitsu. Miami will to stop it as well or not. Stop if i'm able to copy that use it for my own and or also the chia are known for being like fire breeders basically but For those that don't know the whole way that the narcos series is made up is. There's this thing called in. What trucker is is. It's essentially just kind of lake pinpoints in your body that if you shut it off then you're shut off through that The art series all of their chocolate is basically not shut off like they're able to breathe fire produce electricity move earth. It's it's kind of like aptx. Lesson air bender s. But it's more on through like the forbidden arts that has been passed down through the generations through the a kick again chi- And they are just amazing. People i'm chalker is like the he'd to help them become who they need to be who they want to be a drought life and nardo has an extremely amounts of insane. Shocker inside of them especially with that That legend area fox beer inside of him and saskia kind. Eventually because he has a sharon gone he just gets really really good by himself. Objects like do training In his own little you know his own little way but yeah Chocolate is all within us In an nba. The enemy. it's on us. all problems. Create chaos just kind of pens on that person's mood that day honestly And ninjas are basically kind of like also the the The police they could be policemen. They could just be the authority figure within that village. I they kind of shoes. What goes in you know what stays and if you're able to possess amazing. Ju two three three than you are. Basically in charge so eventually become tired. You aren't able to really hone in certain chaka's certain zoos and create their own kind of you know their own kind of say so it's definitely really interesting to watch In terms of that everyone kind of has kick or the special ability so definitely keep that in mind that no one is the same but yeah so kinda going forward naar toe does end up joining a teen when you are Like ninja you are initially assigned eighteen. He a lot of the teams and up on in a three man squad. Typically and narda joins the team Which is called at team. Seven which is comprised of his squadron. You'll aggressive with other teammates that go on missions they earn money from these missions and From that team be have a sausage cheese. Like i said he was at soul survivor of the she hung clan. Has that charen gun which is absolutely amazing in a really a utilize him A lot more throughout the series are has tremendous strains and then we end up seeing more of yet. The the third teammate who is a soccer harno She's spunky Really loud really easily annoyed. Female lead. She has bright pink hair. She is a beginner at everything. She eventually does. Get a lot better but it takes a while. So a lot of people hate on her just because she had a really bad up beginning but she ends up just being so much better person in the boards series and also like the ending of putin so definitely do not keep her in on the sidelines. She does get like a lot better and guess and guess what. She has a Insane crush on saas. Gay saas gate is always consistently rejecting her Has absolutely no love for her. I still think he does. But that could be obviously a battled so yeah. It's kind of like a thing. They go back and forth in soccer absolutely loves him and he's just let now but they are led by this Skillful i'm joining leader In journeying is like the next step From shooting so there's like a there's like a ranking break so you have like the academy after the academy you have getting after getting you have seen and enjoining and then you also have the akagi Or your colleague depends. I guess like a cog is like. I said like beep president. Just because you're joining doesn't mean you go straight kaga yet to be released. Go full Within that village but yeah it's kind of like a ranking system and joining typically a the squad leaders of that certain squadron so we have kashi a- hockey who is that squad leader fourteen seven Also possesses the sharon gone by a tragic fate on that is leaders said in the series But he is it for his own needs. Doing he does help him. Seven become team bat. Odd that they want to be his amazing guy as he is easily. One of the best. Individ- is truly humble and skillful out. What he does he was part of a nari toes. Dad's a squadron who is monotony. Like i said before who also has other team members that played more apartment story of Shapur with open in renton Cacao she ends up being like the main character from that and he just takes on so much For those that don't really know about oba until october. The boy that was like i said on manado team Kokochin's team may be dead He gives his is his up. Sharon gone his own. Hotel is a huge so He gives his is too cautious. So that way that he's able to utilize the shotgun more than orbital because oto is crushed that His teammate red has passed on by accident. Who is said to be believed that could cause she killed ren and that's just like a whole different drama there honestly but it's definitely it's definitely in shampooed. I recommend watching more of it. It really really kids good. I i'm not going to spoil like too much but Open and wren are definitely to make characters in putin and kashi has to kind of like resolve his own passed through there but yet he honestly becomes so much more like cooler in this series. He ends up becoming the a six. Oh kagame after the The fifth who is us zanotti is born but she's not really really important. The board so series so is going over the the main people But yeah so but will definitely go over of via the teams and you know who is prized team and is like specialty are but Yeah thanks for listening to this second segment like i said we'll go over. What's gonna be next on the third of when we are starting but yeah. I'll see you guys after the break by tired of searching the vast jungle of podcasts. Nell listen close and here this out. There's a podcast network that covers just about everything that you've been searching. The golden state media concepts podcast network is here. Nothing less than a podcast. Bliss with endless hours of podcast hubbard's from news sports music fashion looking entertainment fantasy football and so much more. So stop blurted around and go straight out to the golden state media concepts podcast network guaranteed to fill that podcast is whatever it may be visit us at. Www dot mc podcast dot com. Follow us on facebook and twitter and download on itunes soundcloud and google. Play our guys. Welcome back for the break. This is on a mr biden with the mc television podcast. And today we're going to go ahead and cover more about the chartered bordeaux series on our last segment. We did go over more about the the nardello world What it is to and Just more about like what is the point of the animates life series But now we're going to go over more about the teams and who is comprised of each just because it's gonna be really really important later in the series of who In yeah so what. Kind of more into that is mature to stay for the end of the The podcast i am doing today. Just because i will go ahead and let it go. Let guys know more about yet. The top three Skilled getting at the new board to- series on. If you are just getting into it is going to be really really helpful so way that you guys can kind of already picking favorites But yeah without further ado. Let's go ahead and get more into it. So yes after. The after the series took golfing eventually learn more about the characters and just how important they are to one another for character growth. And now we're gonna get more enc- see what you know. Each team understand more about their reasonings For being in the show in throughout the series of north or does go go dark. Go throughout these trials and he doesn't end up meeting other ninja better dislike him. Either one of the same thing to be ho- kaga or you know like it. It said differently different villages. But it's basically the same kagame or you know to bring honored to the village or just become like the top ninja in their village general. So i we have a lady kerr not who is in charge of team aids which includes kiba hanadova encino widely considered as one of the most underrated teams in kona team. Eight is actually very powerful specializes in tracking and detection by the conclusion of the narzo series. This team went on to become very successful completing a formidable number of missions. Along the way even if out current i it played a significant role in the fourth grade. Intial war right to it's very end. It goes without saying that he may is one of the strongest in the series So with those that don't really know the characters. Like a specifically kerr nine is a a master ads. Guanzhou a she. He's not really shown a lot like she is but she's not like super super relevant in the story but the kind of a hybrid from the beginning which is totally fine Keep up basically has his his daga kamara They basically combined together so earlier in the other segments that every ninja has grown kick again guy. They have their own lead. Ninja away. hiba is a master of animal twos. So every everything that he does is with his dog which is pretty cool. Honestly i like that little spin Like something new you know so then you see a nada. A not a hugo she is part of the union clan. So kinda like coulda is a colleague divided. We have like the main village which is kinda and then we have the plan sosa virus asking and then we have the you the plan so the hugo clan has a very special kick. I guess. I just like the sharing gone whereas the god is more about like tactical Herb jitsu copying ganji zoos which is like a allusion. Type of fighting techniques jaka gone is basically more about seeing three somebody so if i had the bianca i could basically see through like your like your bones. I could see like what exactly is going to. You know crack. Or maybe i have to see a hundred miles away. I can see you know. I can see whoever it's honestly really really helpful It's like an all seeing kind of i which is really interesting Pinata is or she. She does go through her own like trivial trials throughout the series. But she doesn't it becoming a excellent. Should i be a part of that hugo clan. And then we have she no she is. He has his like his own. Family's is basically like they're able to master bugs. He has a whole bunch of bugs inside his body so whatever he wants to attack like let me let some of the bugs go from like under like his arm or something and honestly it's kind of gross but it is pretty interesting to see in battle. He was very very very tactical. Very skillful Throughout the series Unfortunately he does kinda get sidelined in the board series but he's a really good care to overall she does end up becoming a academy instructor. so he doesn't struck board till later in the series like i said had nada she becomes really important to bore toes. Well as she is or toes mother. Yep you guessed it And not advocate so. It's definitely something really interesting there. cuba he is. You know like. I said he's he's not relevant in this series. There's there's there's a character that's kind of similar to him but not really Is a lot stronger but Yeah fortunately he is just kinda cycling as well as we get to the next team we do have the initiative show so she could show. That's basically a team name where it comprises of you know schick amaro This team was built upon incredible teamwork in shrewd tactics which made up for the lack of its strength. its members were Shit martin era Who is known for his intellect You know who was famous for his sensory Jujitsu choji who was basically the powerhouse. When it comes to fighting together these three arguably on our the steadiest team that we've seen in narzo Since they assume up. I'm fortunately does end up passing. He is there's there's squad leader and he is very very important to them. Honestly if you are watching boards a series. I'm assuming you have seen an artist series so that you would know that he has passed like i said but yet it's it is pretty sad ob and then the next thing we go to is going to be guards team. I'm so guards Until shoot it or like their original has siblings conqueror tamari in ask the children of the forest gaza kagame. So you know as it earlier that the ho- kagi isn't always said the same in every village in the the sand village which is where they're from. It's called the causey. Cocky in all three of these should be excellent combat especially as its team a surprisingly You know gora the strongest. I mean honestly really surprised there. Although conquer tamari aren't really too far behind. I'm kind of end up at lacking a little bit. In terms of strength guard does becomes like a super big powerhouse. Guard does end up revealing that. He has his own I believe it's a one tale So you know how like narva has like the nine tail. A gar- has one tail. So he is busy. Almost a strongest norwich or they end up kind of Clashing a little bit series but they end up being super close. They end up being a best friends. Just like an arto. Desperate ruin else after always best friends after they'd be hard so And gar had risen to be like the next So he doesn't have become the ho- kagi which you know for that. San village and becoming the youngest kagi ever the process. So this team basically has a whole bunch of prodigies and they displayed their potential to the maximum within the show right so then the next one is going to be coating is strongest joni Might guy who is Expressly team guide. Which is consisting of rock league Hugo antonsson so just like guy Broccoli specializes in the use of taizhou in his masturbate. Inner gates over the years so for those that don't know the inner gates are a mike. I basically kind of like reading his own version of like to He basically has no jay z. Like he has not like chopper flow in that sense but he he has trained his body's so well to the point where he is able to kind of light. Create his own tied to that specializes in his concentration. So there's like eight inner gates And mij- does end up becoming seriously crucial in the the fourth war arc as well But yeah rockley kind of like he kind of gets better throughout the series as well like just like my guide he learns how to open the a gates just like him There basically sunan father even other after not actually related by israeli q. Honestly i really. I really loved them. Both energy was a Hugo prodigy He was strong enough to be promoted to the rank of joining during the two year time. Skip walton is exceptionally skilled in basically throwing like is in leg chains. And stuff like that. Unfortunately the team is no longer active after the death of nejra hugo during the fourth grade war. But you know nonetheless that were really really great team. naji is related to a nada. They are cousins and Boto is actually named after edgy. A really strange way. So because mary's into the us plan which is you know nor toby's democracy They have like a lot of respect towards naji and after he died there was a really big thing but they were able to keep it going. A that. Fire will so yeah. Recipes naji so after we just kind of talk about all these teams We kind of start to understand more about like just how important visa a specific ninja are to each of their own and just like how far they've come from being like basic niches to like amazing shelby However this is not exactly the end of the podcast. I did want to go more into Just exactly what is board and Like the characters more in what we have to look forward to this Just like with any other good anime series. Of course there is pairings Let's see so we have. We have shoji ends up marrying One of the The squadrons from the believe it was like the lightning yet. The village I can't remember her name like right off the bat but a bit of having a kid in that kid is tokyo on Basically of has the same kind of mindset choji. I'm she absolutely loves. You know a food. She's super sassy. She's really funny in this series honestly by absolutely liver And definitely up. See her grow more We do see that tamari from a garage team ends up getting with sugimaru and they have a kit the m. die Should i has maris is and She tomorrow's like outer appearance so Pretty interesting there. They argued realizing him a little. Bit more in this series of definitely keep that in mind in stay tune We also see that a saas gay in soccer have a kid Named sarda in sarda has her mom's monster straight And her dad's bishop risk. Which is the charen gun. Start as an absolute powerhouses. Well he is teamed with aboard ceo so yet be end up like really going full circle with it. It's really a definitely look more into that as well. Rockley has a kid. It's not really disclosed through. The mother is but his name is medically and mentally is also really awesome as well keller more about him throughout the series definitely recommend checking that out as well but yeah What kind of get more into the the characters a little more Aboard oh after the break Thank you guys so much for staying This far the podcast I definitely want to start doing more of these boorda podcasts. So if you guys are super interested just make sure to stay tuned. Follow me on twitter and will kinda ford with that. Tanf you wanna find out what movies to go. See then check out the gs amc movie. Podcast it's your ticket to the latest movies whether it's a new blockbuster event romantic comedy or action flick. This show has got it all covered. They talk some what to go. See now don't bother. What's hot on netflix. And everything in between that's gmc. Podcast dot com back. Slash movie dash podcast. When it's all about the movies. It has to be this new show. Don't forget to like them on facebook and follow them on twitter. Visit gs mc podcast dot com for more info. Our guys walk back from the break. I'm your host mr finn and thank you for tuning into the gmc television Podcast brought to you by the mc podcast network today we will be covering our last segment over the artaud series which is making headlines on twitter instagram and facebook break guys so i know last time we talked. We were going over more about like the characters. And why the relevance the story I know that we went over the certain teams and the relevancy. However i can't guarantee you that it'll be more full circle after. I kind of like explain about these new characters and just exactly who they are and why they're important as well Yeah so for for those that do not know or watch series just yet. The poor to animate takes place. Fifteen years after the end of the series So narcos thirty two in sale and so is the rest of the members of that That group that we were just talking about bordeaux is now twelve years old on like the rest of his as well And so we kind of like have an idea that you know what they're doing is more of a new legacy kind of thing board with his new legacy naar toe with his old legacy cutting passing down to choke the path down that torch. So that's honestly really cool to kind of think about Like that a little more so yeah so after watching the first episode of reduce e board till as older ninja verses a boy around the same age named komaki they end up. Playing swords. And the guy kawasaki. He states The novi are are over. I'm going to send you where. I sent the seventh ho kagame. Who is if guys do not know it is now naruto. Naruto is the home of the In the portal series board till looks up and he has a huge gash over his. I i in we see that. His is is also white He puts his headband. And then he states that you know i am still should novi so just kind of looking at that We kind of realize that this is like the new. Like dynamic duo the new saskia dart's l. however I don't think that's the case. I think that there might be a little more than what we're seeing here You know more about like who is this. This guy coa. What did he do arto were did he send him. Did he defeat him. Did he do something that he should be doing. You know it. It's a little interesting honestly. I feel like the direction like. I said that they're going with. I do hope that we see more about coa. He later in the series but What's more interesting is with. What is when our earth are what. Board toe is wearing We do see that. The village is destroyed It looks like it's took place a couple years bortles seems to be about like sixteen now. an like with like the episode in general. You know like i said he's twelve but bordeaux he has a sword in he has a cape and that sword cape looks just like saas sausages. So that makes me wonder where saskia in this you. I'll send you said the seventh. Which dr to so they kinda makes me a little nervous Saskia is one of the main original characters. Just like nardo in they do end up Heavy like a big fallout Original narzo series in the end up being best buddies. A naar toe is be a Sauce gate is the like the shadow of which is kind of like Narcos like the main face in saas gay like does all does all the fighting the background like he takes care of people that needs to be taken care of in saas. Gay is definitely that kind of guy. So it's just a little worrisome. I are we kind of seeing where Becomes more of a saas gay than like taking his father's mantle Wanting to be the we do see more into that. A little bit But moving forward dislike from these two original characters is missing in these two new characters be like the main center of attention. Would you kind of see that resemblance a little bit more which is pretty awesome with that. Flashback we dc boards. Oh with another getting his. Is sugar die and if you listen to the last segment we do know. That die is sign of sugimaru and tomorrow. Tomorrow is the one of the fan and shook. Suga mario is a or he is his best friend and States that he has his best friend as well. So i think that's a little cute to Honestly i really like that idea of like legacy in passing down that torch so that we do see more should die board interacting with each other I would like to see shikha die. have kind of a combination of his dad's powers and his mom's powers because his mom is actually not from the i'm kona which is the village in the head and leaves. She is from the sand so it should american a half calicut good combination of the sand. Y- jitsu just like his mom as well as the Drugs around blink as well as the The shadow the shadow promises. You to So i kind of want to see more of that. Be really really interesting if they do end up utilizing both those on chick die might be a good powerhouse there as well might be better than both his parents which bubby really awesome. See as well. Yeah so kinda going forward from that shook amari does have more say in what nardo does being seen that she kamara is like the right hand man. He's like the guy that's like okay. Well we need you this. We need to go to war. We'd whichever Which i i kinda like because it kind of goes from like nar tones trick amaro just being best friends to you are like my best friend in like i give you complete trust into this Really shows the dynamic more. The friendship Them growing more as friends. That's pretty awesome and Just of going from that. We do see a new getting name. Denki dickey is the air to come. If i come in marion oma. Gosh he is basically in charge of the company that is he biggest company Village has access to the The trains So that really helps with the transportation Seems to be more of a book. Smart guy rather than a juicy were like techniques He does want to become more. Ninja dislike board as boards. He'll kinda helped save him a little bit more from his self doubt. Self doubt The end up becoming best five in this episode And decides to undergo more of ninja training with board till Going into the academy. So what we do end up seeing though his first episode is at mortell He has his white. I which they showed the very first ten seconds of the abortive episode. So kinda teases like what. I kind of deal As he does end up seeing chara and he junkies body so as he realizes that as he sees it We see the white. I kind of like lineup. So that's kind of like a cooler nods like what we can't see in the future Board toes. I can do And we do end up. Finding out that is called like appear i or also known as the The jogging so i don't really know much about the jogging. I would like to that. It might be a good mutation of the bianca gone and charen gun or could this be a big big hybrid of beyond just because he is related to hit nada. A united does have add on bianca. Gone so it might be something like that or might be a different kind of mutation. Who knows i guess. We'll just have to find out but yes so not much really known yet about that. I but we do see more Getting the episode as well That the kids in board says academy classes choko who is the daughter of Kinda have similar personality. Joe is more extroverted berry. Sassy very light. Get like what she wants. Kind of person but she seems to be like a powerhouse as well. Very strong Along with yet new formation of the initial a cello so it comprises up show Shook die and then we have a new character annual gin. Gin is the sign of cy and You know site is basically a character that is like later introduced in the putin era He ends up working for at the the foundation With honda hondas. Bad guy he gets out of it. He joins team seven for a little bit while saas gays doing bad things so they ended up kind of becoming more cliquey and size like well. You know what i like. you know. So they'd of having a kid who's now engine either. Gene kind of has like a mixture of his parents. Choose as well. He has the The sensory Just like just like e-e-e-e-no and then he also draws just like si- Dealing aerial attacks from that. I'm from those drawings and Do kind of going from there. We do see that with solvay. Not really not much is really known about with sabi. Sabi is with Now in samir obvious kind of like a cat version of huma and now we gotta is still work in progress on them. It seems like jews crying on. I'm not really sure what what we can do that. Just yet but it might be more formation later down the road Samir is a team lead She ends up being more involved later in the story I believe that her arc is coming up so we learn more about her a little more and then last not least we do have sarita yuji. Who is the daughter of saskia sacre. She is also powerhouse. She basically has a saas gays. Sharon gun and she has a soccer is a monster straight and she kind of like combines. Both of them together out. It's really really nice to see honestly. I do hope that they kind of like combined with her. And they kind of show more of like what she can do compared to her parents and then Later we also see that. Original mario who is big time villain in the The original Ridge narzo series later putin He has a son named miki means ski. Is this pale. complected kid that A little Stake like but absolutely does loves borough or as a kind of obsessed Keeps talking about boards being like his his son while he is the moon Really know much about that yet. But that is a little weird but Of course animates can expand on that a little bit more But meade ski is seems to be a really good relatively amazing already you know being like a look the age of twelve pretty great I do kind of like this. Dynamic of having the new Canoe saskia the new soccer. The new nartay with a bordeaux tosa ski And then we kind of see more About like the other team were at denki donkey mentally in a wabi Metal is basically a like. I said like rock lease son observation. I know who the mother is. But yeah he's there He's very similar to his dad but instead of dislike taizhou to he has a little bit of a sue and he also is a master at his own taizhou which is called anxiety fists So basically he never hit straight. He's always afraid of whatever's in front of them but he seems like soon as try to figure out highlight utilize that an actual fight. So there's something that. I do want to see more of. I absolutely love him. Maybe like later on. We'll see exactly what he can do. But yeah and then we see he like this giant like like this giant stick he can kinda like produce like rocks from the ground to kind of come up as well as like walls etc so he does end up joining with dante and metal lee and to have their own team which is pretty awesome but yet not not really much is done by Just yet but This this episode honestly has a nice introduction of most of like the new characters in kind of seeing like what we have to look forward to as a series does progress. We do see more like their character and personality. And honestly i'm really excited about this This new series. It seems to be really really Hype but yeah next podcast Over like that next arc. That i was talking about. I'm gonna go ahead and watch it before we do the talking just so that we have more of like an idea but yeah most of everything that i'm saying. You know our theories. I don't know what's going to happen yet. But i do really hope that this is going to be more or i guess as emotional as nardo. 'cause i know that the boards series is a little slow at first but it does really really pick up so idea recommend watching more into it but yeah i'm i'm going to get my top three real quick. I do really enjoy of course mentally. I believe metal like so rockaways my favorite character growing up just because he had a fight with a gara. Broccoli is incredibly fast. There's this moment where he basically took off his weights and he was faster than sound like it was insane so that's just like how much he works out. You know. i'm so. I'm kind of hoping a lot for mentally. I really hope that he really does pick up from his father and become a super awesome guy just like him Especially with that anxiety fists. Kinda reminds me of You know broccoli's other Know what i'm talking about and then Some some that kinda see people's sleeping on right now is going to be strict guide. Should i definitely has a high potential rates especially being the daughter the sign of Tamari and chamara on both super intelligent both really scary if but like to see exactly what they can do with his character And then the last but not least Sarda i really really enjoy sarda. She is a amazing character If they did not start the via the anime of board. Till i feel like she would have had her own spin off honestly just because she is just such an interesting character in really really fleischer out of dropped the series so. I really hope that you guys enjoy your just just as much as i do. Because she is definitely one of a kind and she is the backbone of her team so with all that being said there's also hoping matsuda is going to have the same kind of traits as tachi. We'll see what happens. But yeah that's just my little insight. But yeah so dicky guys so much for listening to the g. s. mc television podcast brought to you by gsfc podcast network I would like to ask that you. Please remember to subscribe to the show in readiness review. That really really helps us. Also just please follow us on facebook. twitter instagram. We definitely appreciate it and definitely check out that twitter though because i am be posting meekly vacations that You know what arc will be going over indefinitely more board so content so yeah thank you so much. Have a great week of by. You've been listening to the golden state media concepts television. Podcast part of the golden state media concepts podcast network. 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Cortex

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"Wdc week ww de week. Is it still because we're recording on saturdays. It's still going or is it fully over now and friday like fridays is. When apple's thing ends as always love overhang is things going on. Probably into next week. I still feel like bellied dug into a lot of the stuff This year was more of a success from a how i'm feeling standpoint. Yeah not as busy that a planned. Really which part of the reason Saturday like i ride my week out pretty nicely. So i was only ever recording one thing per day That is much better than last year last year. Very rough for you. Yeah the biggest change for me. This year was moving. Like non essential things like just like regular things of this week and that's made things a lot better and has actually i just think it's been very helpful because i've also had more time this week to watch some session videos and dig into some of the bay stuff so Monday was rough but like that was just the way it was gonna be her as a super late recording published upgrade a hopeless to in the morning and then was awake until hop us full Which is just your upgrade. Ww dc recording scheduled day on monday. My thoughts are with you that day. Mike because i know it is a late night for you. Did we recording and the editing to turn that show around real fast as brutal loss me like. Why do you publish it that day. Like one just go to sleep into it in the next day or whatever and sometimes i find especially crave work there. There were reasons to do things. And sometimes those reasons mean you end up working really late and For me. I want to not only have our show out on the day of the keno rana wanted to be fussed And so i will burn the candle. Where every possible end to get it out that day. Because that's just important to me. I think most people probably don't care about it as much as i do. But i do just really cares. Important to me is important to me that we have the episode out on monday. And it's just a thing. I just want to do that. It's like a little commitment. I to myself yeah. I don't think you're wrong. And i think this is the way. Different projects are different. Which is obvious to say. But if you take that idea seriously it means you made very different decisions for different sorts of things. So i imagine on the spectrum of projects that you work on cortex is relatively unin- time-sensitive which is why we make a lot of different sorts of decisions about coretec. Upgrade is way more time sensitive and particularly the. Ww episode is the most time sensitive episode in a more time sensitive show because when we ever caught in. So like i say this i say this about every show that i made a sit in the show budget times. I don't like recorded content just sitting somewhere. Who from the moment. That i press. Stop on any show including this one. The clock is ticking. It's getting old and the longer. Leave it until i release it the worse i feel about it with especially wc. The content is getting old immediately because yes does so much more information that is coming out off to the keynotes and people were digging through web pages that downloading the bates on their phone. Step like finding that details. That if i recorded that kazaa thing is we go live on the show basically as soon as the keno ends So if i waited and published it the next day it's so old by that point so it's just important to me to get it done. Yeah we could record the show on tuesday and that would be great and in some ways it will be better in some ways. It will be worse because it wouldn't have that kind of energy that we have because we've just watch the thing What type of show you wanna make right. And the typhus show is make for that. Episode of upgrade is like immediate reactions. What we think you know and then as a spectrum shows and it comes down to cortex where we not only record at the end of the we always have It also doesn't come out until a week after right right so by this point like i know a bunch more stuff and the types of things we talk about in the way that we talk about it but the time we get to. The show is completely different than we. Could you know in theory could recall the show on tuesday and not released until the next tuesday. 'cause we want our immediate reaction but then that's a completely different show to the one that we can. So that's why. I will publish the show us to in the morning because the point is that recorded at day i edit and then however long it takes a long it takes it goes out immediately and then i fulfill i wanted to. Yeah it's it's like you want to maximize what sings are in their good attributes. And like i. I had that experience with your annual upgrade episode of was fun to listen to to to get exactly that. What are the initial responses of to thoughtful people about what we just heard in. Ww dc before the information comes out like it's a very particular experience. And so i i totally back your d- while normally with most of your shows would save mike. Don't stay up that late. they don't do that. That's dumb you have to know. Under what circumstances does it make sense to break the rules. And i think with a product that is delivering that thing the excited initial response and also what comes along with that is a lot of the initial wondering that people have. Ooh is it really this way or is it that way. We'll find out that has to. It just has to come out soon. So i do back your staying up until four thirty in the morning to get it finished because then it means people like me can just listen to it the next day. Okay it is like oh great upgrades here immediately. Like i watch the thing late. At night i went to bed. Did some work in the morning and then great afternoon break. I can find out what the initial reactions are too. What happens so as a listener. I appreciate it but as a friend of very sympathetic to knowing how much knowing what your day is in a face a follow up. I had level what hangover on tuesday. Just tired i was like i was wrecked by a plan for. I had nothing booked in on tuesday. That is a very good to says. They knew it was going to be bad. What time did you say you were up. Until i was up until hamas four published at two thirty at the studios while i went home and i just couldn't sleep mamane. Plus if you're slamming a rebel eleven pm is gonna mess you up anyway. Right there was one moment in the show where i ended up editing out but it was funny for me. That never done this before where you know when you your new answer a quick like you say something when you're gone. I did that. And i noticed myself doing is i. That's bad i was like like that. You know that's not good right because the average listener it just sounds like you're super board to the person who understands. This is happening at one in the morning. This back and forth. So mike's a little sleepy. It was just funny. Like i kind of caught myself doing it. As i was doing it. You know just like a fun thing to happen. But yes i that. They've just because i want to. It's important to me but the the content is dictated by that release in the released dictates the content and it totally makes sense. And i think it's also just a case of again. You need to know when to break the rules. And when or when is it worth super pushing things on like not all projects are worth super pushing it on. But sometimes they are and like. This is part of the decision making processes realizing. When does it make sense. And i agree with you that this is one of those cases where it makes sense even though it can seem totally crazy to people sometimes of jesus. Does it really matter if you wait a day. It's like yeah for some things it does for other things doesn't and this is a case where it does but i'm also very glad to hear that you were able to plan ahead and not have anything not have anything happened that day and just like work with that as opposed to last year where he seemed optimistic about how many things could happen in a day. Because you don't need to physically be there so it's surely going to be way easier. One of my very very favorite is now has a mac version timer. Oh on time listens of this show know about time ary and purely just wanted to mention on the show because joe the developers such a great job when the m one max launched. I was really disappointed. That app wasn't available to download. I couldn't download the ipad version. Onto mac and part of the reason for this was because joe was working on a mac version said this is a catalyst version of time ary and it's fantastic. I love it and in a really interesting way. And we'll maybe talk a little bit more about this kind of stuff later on on the show. Anyway this is one of those instances where in building a mac version. It's made the ipad version better So he's added a bunch of features to the app in general because they were good for the mac so like it now has on ipad like a sidebar interface which is something that was introduced last year at wb dc sidebars for apps keyboard shortcuts now for the application and also my favorite thing is you can set it so when you open a time. Entry it drops like the text casa into the description field. And if you start typing it auto completes projects and tags based on things you've recently set Really likes features. So like if i open it and i type c o offers me. Podcast recording podcast editing or show. Prep or with the cortex tag. Because everything's i've recently done. So i just. I really loved this up. Joe's do such a great job. Bringing it to the mac and now i finally jettisoned the abhorrent toggle application into the moon and i will never see. Nothing has gone from my life and i'm so happy. Wow jettison ended. The toggle mac. App is just. I don't even know why they bothered. They should have just had an electron based on the website. Like i just don't even though what bothered with that little toggle up. So i have the time or yep. I'm very happy to pay toggle. The company forever right for their wonderful service that they provide and one of the great reporting tools that i have on their website all super good. I do not know why they make bad apps right china's but they have an api again. Thank you toggle for current and an api. I love that you did that. So then time to developers can build applications to plug into your api. Yeah i wish more companies would follow that model of we do the core thing but we also have an api and so people can build stuff on top of that. I am picky clearly with myself. Where the togo app for. Mac does job for so many people. But i won't more out of it You know and that's why again. I loved that they have this. Api so then of developers can plug into it but yeah the map to timer. Map is really really great. I'm very very very happy. that exists. now. Yeah i literally installing it as as we were speaking and of course will most certainly be railing the developer with things that i want those. I was pretty early in the pay a process for this one. Because joe knew how badly i wanted this so he sent me like one of the first built and i really love being able to. I feel very privileged. That i'm in a position where i can work with some developers to get the features that i want from their applications so they would just some things especially around keyboard shortcuts and stuff where i just wanted them to work a very specific way and was able to make my case to joe and he implemented them that way and i was just really thankful for it. See i like being able to have that kind of input in places. I will have to say like obviously a very private person and not a big fan of internet fame in very many ways. But i'll tell you one thing that i do. Love is e mailing developers sometimes feature request and is like the hit rate for. Oh i listened to cortex like yeah sure i can add that keyboard. Shortcut is very high. And it's like that is one of the few times i'm always like okay. This is nice. This is a nice benefit of some level of internet fame is like email a developer probability of cortex listener equals ninety percent. We need to us in cortex branded email addresses. Hit right no like gray at cortex and just double the hit right in case anyone searching that is not a bad idea but it's not a bad idea at all. I may make a cortex brand email just for emailing developers to like. Please recognize one of these words recognize. Recognize my name recognize the podcast title. This episode of cortex is brought to you by fit pod. The fitness app that provides a personalized exercise plan. fitness plan. Actually fits you because when it comes to fitness football believes that everyone can be better whether you're working out three days a week twice a day more less doesn't matter because fit butts algorithm uses data and analytics to help you build on your previous walkout so that your next workout is scientifically proven to be better than the lost fit. 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My brain wrote you mean the technically i trading card game but i guess it's not that anymore as well like what is magic. God i mean this. This is one of these things that i just like. I don't even know. I don't even know where to start. Maybe we can turn to wikipedia. Right let me see how we compete is summarizes magic the gathering. I'm actually quite curious. What does wikipedia say magic the gathering. Oh my god this is a long one the see how quickly it can get through this magic the gathering the table top end digital. That's the point. Now is thinking of collectible card game released in nineteen ninety-three by wizards of the coast. A player magic takes the role of the planes walker back to with other players. Planes brokers by casting spells using summoning creatures as depicted on individual cards from the individual decks play defeat sarah opponent typically but not always by casting spells attacking creatures to joe damage to the opponent's life total of the object being to reduce it from twenty two zero although the original concept of the game drew heavily from the motifs traditional fantasy roleplaying games such as dragons the gameplay bez little similarity to pencil and paper adventure games while simultaneously having substantially more cards and more complex rules than many other. Kagame's that description so it sounds like you're doing one of the most boring things imagine sounds from this description. Oh my god. Yeah i mean this is. It's one of these things where had a part of this is i. I can't quite remember what context is ever came up in on the show. But i remember it because hmo animated for one of the fantastic cortex animated segments. Where for some reason. On some episode years ago a mench. We're probably talking about hobbies or something. And i mentioned how i don't really have hobbies but one of these things have been circling around for years and years. Is people trying to get me back into magic. And i made it off handed remark. Look i don't wanna get back into this game. Because i know that the only way of getting to get back into it is if i get seriously back into it like there's no casual version of this. I'm going to dedicate a huge amount of mental space to this. Or i'm not going to do it at all so was like i'm just not going to get into this but that's why it's like well. Time has come around that here. We are years later and through a variety of shark related events. I've ended up getting back into this game and have gotten quite seriously back into this game. And i absolutely hate the description on the wikipedia page so like here is the meh point about this so when you think about games games often have these two layers and it's true for video games and it's true for board games. There is the mechanism layer of the game. Which is what are the rules. And what happens mechanically in the game and then the way then you sort of translate that into a more. Human understandable thing is that on top of the mechanisms. You overlay a theme so the monopoly board game has a bunch of rules about how you move around. The board and like what various squares do but the theme of that game is predatory capitalism and can easily imagine that someone could have a game that has the exact same mechanisms where one player slowly has an edge and then grinds everybody else into the dust in an incredibly unfunny way over the next two hours but you could theme that in a totally different way. You could theme that as like medieval fantasy right. You could theme that as scifi and have it have nothing to do with property and collecting rent but all of the mechanisms could be exactly the same and so the recent that i mentioned this is is. I think like this game. Magic has one of the absolute most interesting game mechanisms that is like underneath the theme and the theme. I think that the company and the way that it works. They've done a fantastic job of once you get into it. The theme is really good is really solid is very strong at world building but it is incredibly repulsive to a lot of people when you first hear it described it does sound like the most boring and nerdy thing that can exist in the world so i think the the level of getting into this game is very very hard for lots of people. I think the theme can really bounce people off and it doesn't also help at the mechanics of the game are hugely complicated. But when you combine both of these factors. I think it is also not surprising. That in the sort of nerd and geek world magic has loomed large for like twenty five years. Something like that. I feel like it's had this very big place in nerd culture for a long time to dungeons and dragons yeah. I do think that there is something very similar to dungeons and dragons with that of its complicated. it's weird. It can be hard to get into but for the right kind of person you can super get into it and so sort of the short version of of what happened here is i was working on my video about sharks sharks. I wanted to one time go for infectious. It is infectious. It's totally infectious. We might touch on that later but for a bunch of reasons that don't matter now and it probably won't ever talk about that. Sharks project was without doubt one of the most stressful art videos. That i've made in years even though it doesn't look that way and after it was done I just. I really needed something to take my mind off the project and to just like decompress with over the next few weeks to be like okay. I need a break from this nightmare of a project and the timing just happened to be right. That magic had recently released the sort of mac version of their new online system. And i thought okay. I stream did. I was like let me. Just play around with trying to relearn the rules. And as i fully expected what started out as a just casual stream of let me see what the game is like. Now i haven't. I haven't played it in. Like twenty years turned very fast into a just complete obsession that culminated with me reaching number six hundred eighty one in the world. Florida goes spent much. I think there's a there's a bunch of lucky coincidences. That helped me rank that high. Do you have a sense for how big that number is like out of. How many are actually. I was trying to figure this out. I couldn't log a good answer. So here's my estimate like the company that owns magic. They published some estimate that they they want something like three to five million players eventually on their system. That doesn't tell you what the current numbers are. But the best. That i could figure out is that there are these programs that people use as like assistance to when they're playing to help calculate some of the statistics automatically and some of these programs report that they have hundreds of thousands of users. That's kind of what i'm looking for right like you. Six hundred and eighty one. Seven hundred or a hugh jackson billions able puck. Hundreds of thousands is enough to still stick with my original surprise. Yeah and it's a rank. That if i did want to pursue it if i could maintain that rank things run in seasons but if i was able to hold that rank until the end of the season like i'd get an invitation to one of their minor league pro events. Nothing i want more than for you to do that. Think so fun me to imagine you can per game and now a very like just to be clear. I'm very specifically not aiming towards that. Because the the moment you do well enough in the game it's basically like you have to be in the top twelve hundred to get a number at all and the company pulls from the top twelve hundred players to fill out there in person professional competition leagues. But at the moment that you have a number. I very intentionally was like okay. This is a great accomplishment. I'm totally glad i've done it. It's also completely validated. My prediction that the only way we're going to get back into this was very seriously But also this is the moment to consciously go and just don't care about the number anymore because that'll suck all of the fun out of it again keep playing but you're not going to keep checking your ranking so is saying yeah cool. I was concerned you were going to say the you given up playing the game which seemed like you punishing you know. I still totally want to play like. It reminded me a little bit about when we talked about. Vr and i said how vr was a really fun experience. Like i haven't had in years. I can honestly say that with magic. It's the same thing like there's something about it that's perfectly lined up with my brain. I have not had fun like this in years like i just love it but also immediately recognize like the moment. I was ranked. You've gotta just put this right out of your brain. Don't care about the rank. I played some more games after that top rank and like immediately plummeted down to eight hundred out of the top twelve hundred. And it's like that's fine. There's always a broader lesson here of anything that you do competitively or they should say anything. That humans do competitively. I think people don't appreciate the exponential level of difficulty and so like you think about world chess champions and at a certain point. If you're a professional chess player you have the chest system. That does the rankings of like. Oh what's your. What is your score in chess. That is a shorthand for probability of winning against a player with another score. But once you get really high up into that system that trying to beat the player. Who's the five hundredth best in. The world is twice as hard at least is trying to beat the six hundred best player in the world and then also when you're ranked like that the thing that becomes very clear very fast is losing is brutal for the calculation of what your rank is like winds get you very very small increases in like. Oh you're rank is great and a loss is like congratulations. You've just dropped a hundred and fifty rank points and if you win three games in a row you can go up five ring points this statistics in such a way that the minute differences between the players right you have this weird double effect that the players are incredibly good and that also means if you are slightly off whatever the level is in your ranking like you're going to plummet just brutally than immediately so that's why i was like okay. Don't think about this. Don't worry about this like don't actually try to set a goal of doing any better. You don't really want to qualify for like the in person competitions. The way i basically told to myself ok cool. You've beaten the game and now you can just totally play for fun and it doesn't matter like this is the best that you're going to achieve. But it was really funny. And i did quite enjoy it because i think there is something sort of absurd going from. Oh i haven't played in twenty years. And i don't know any of the basic rules to sub one thousand ranking in the space of like three weeks trying to see if i could find a leaderboard of find you want. Their whole system is very strange happened to have wandered into the game at a very weird point in their time where i think like a lot of companies because of the pandemic to change the way. They do competitions. Obviously they can't do them. You don't wanna be collecting a thousand people from all across the world into a stadium together like that's bad news so they've tried to switch to online and everything's like just totally up in the air right now. It's funny because his similar thing happened to federico he ended up getting ranked pretty well with competitive pokemon. Oh interesting also to the point. I believe that if he would have continued down the path that he was on he could have been in contention to be to go and compete in the impulse and championships. If they were such a thing at the time this kind of stuff where oh there's so many different areas of human activity and every one of them is completely a world unto themselves and they all have their own way and their own total self involved nece. Select part of the fun has just for me also. Just been trying to figure out like what's going on in the world of magic how to the competitions work now. What's the company doing. It's funny to just get into these whole world's where every world has their own little celebrities and it's just totally fascinating but yeah so this is the perfect kind of thing that just hooked into my brain one hundred percent at just the right time to be a nice break from a very difficult project. Ed so yeah. I got very seriously back into magic. What do you enjoy about the video game because like you know so i have some of basic understanding. I think at this. Because i i used to play the pokemon trading card game like i feel like i get the rules all different stuff but you know like the idea if you build a deck you have your strategy and you wanna play to the strengths of your deck that kind of stuff every souls. 'cause i'm sure i mean i've never played metric. I don't. I don't know how the game is played. But i just figured that can't be that many differences between most trading card games and then there's just the nuances of each game but like a basic level. But what do you enjoy about magic system and does it relate to the video game version. Yeah so. I think as far as i can tell magic is sort of the original version of this the genre establishing one. Yeah i think it is. I think every competitive trading game joyless from magic in some ways like oh. This is kind of like how. I have been aware of it from when i played pokemon causes just knowing that magic existed it was always the same places that you would buy pokemon cards and i believe i've remembering rightly the the original pokemon kagame was produced by wizards of the coast as well interesting. That seems quite probable. Yeah so if. I want to try to describe abstractly. What is going on. And what is interesting and what is fun. There's a couple of key features here. So i think there's something in particular video games do but that magic hits really well is i. Think a symmetry in games is super fund and very hard to pull off. And so what. I mean by a symmetry here is if you think about chess. Play chess mike. Do you know the rules. I have played chess. Good at chess. I play chess. yeah i know. I'm bad at chess i play. Don't worry i'm right there with you. Like i never got super into chess. But chess is the world's most perfect example of a symmetrical game both players start out with the exact same pieces and it's also perfectly symmetrical because at all times you know what the other person is doing. It's all right. They're totally on the board. Whereas if you take a game like poker it's still very symmetrical but it's a little bit less because you don't know what the other person has for sure but you do know. They have cards in their hands. You know what once you have so you know what they don't yeah you have you know what cards they can't because you are holding them and you can make some reasonable guesses and i personally find that as you turn up. The a symmetry dial games become more interesting but the reason most games don't do that is incredibly hard to balance a game where the players are more and more asymmetrical that you may or may not be familiar with it. I feel like starcraft. Two is a video game that's often held up as like the pinnacle of game asymmetry. Where there's three very different sides with very different strengths. But they're well balanced so it never feels like oh this one way to play is the best way to play and i just think magic may be the most asymmetrical game that has ever been created because you're playing with your deck of cards and Very abstract leave the idea. Is you want to use your cards in a better way than the other player uses their cards. But you just don't have any idea with. The other person is playing in their hand and the thing about magic which i think is unique. Compared to other games is the number of cards are enormous. There's a limited version of the game and the limited version has two thousand possible different cards that a player can use is already quite a large number for someone to even be familiar when to talk about setting limits. I think that's a good limit. What what do you mean to thousands of big limit still so that is considered the limited game. That is the version of the game where it's like. Oh hey have you not played magic. In twenty years you should start with limited. There's only two thousand cards to become familiar with if you wanna play the historic version of the game. Which means like all cards. That is twenty thousand different cards a manageable right. So when i'd say like as symmetrical have you are playing a historic game. Even if you have played for years it is still possible to be playing against someone and they use a car that you go. I've never seen that card. I didn't even know the thing. Is that god. Yeah but i think that makes a game super interesting. And when i was a kid i played magic a little bit like with kids in the neighborhood or a little bit. You know with some kids at school who played magic. But one of the reasons i got super back into this is because i think the online version amps this up to eleven. Because when you're playing your friends in life you have some concept of. Oh what cards might they use. Or how does this person like to play. But when you're playing online and you just get randomly assigned some person you have no idea. Like what do they like to play. What cards might they have. What strategy might they be trying to pursue interest in. I guess the online version gives everyone the ability to play while otherwise would have been competitive. Play what do you mean by that because people going to competition don't know their opponents. Yes exactly most the time right when you she's saying like if you were playing a kid you will play against your friends And so eventually you not only would learn how they played. If you played a lot you would learn what they had. Yes and your friends is got something new. Tell you anyway right. Yes are excited about the new that they have but implying online you know. It's like randomly assigned people. You have no idea what. Their strategy is all cards. They own a pick him from a twenty thousand. And i explain it like. Oh i find interesting is it is adding randomness to what would otherwise be assumed as a very kind of limited game right like there's only so many things you can do in a card game and or it is just called right like ultimately the cause being played but the element of being so many potential options that can come away as a different dimension to be aside. Just take the that makes that kind of brings this level of interest and excitement to the experience which i think on the surface. If you didn't understanding you would think probably didn't exist. Yes so i was trying to think about. How do you explain to someone who's never played. What might this game be like. And that's why i particularly cringe at that appear description. Because i feel like boring it puts all of the nursery rhyme up front and gives you no indication of what might be interesting and so like i was trying to think about okay. Here's the best way. I could describe sort of what the experience is like without actually explicitly talking about the game. So it's like okay. Imagine you were going to play chess with someone but the way the game starts is the board is completely blank except both of you. Just have your king on the board you know and so the basic rule of gotta catch the king is in place and it's chess but then what happens. Every turn is that each player adds a piece to the board. But you don't know what pieces the other player has. All of their pieces can do different things and so there are constraints in which the game operates. But there's always these possibilities for surprise. If i oh okay. This guy's added a piece that moves in a way that i've never seen before and i need to deal with that or you can run into weird situations where like i just don't have very many pieces and like this other person has lots of pieces and the thing that really gets me with the game is there are very many pieces which will change the rules about how all of the other pieces work so again. It's a bit like okay. Not only are we just continually adding things to the board but all of a sudden. It'll be like pawns. Can move backwards now. Rooks can jump over pieces on certain qods you compla- rules of the game is not that as a rule change it's a cod forces. The rule change. Yes so one of the things that the game is delightful about is explicitly having cards. That changed the whole wind. Conditions of the game. And that can happen at especially when you're playing against random people it can happen at any moment and you're like oh no like i am not prepared for this but that's also what makes it super fun so there can be cards where it's like. Suddenly i tend to be a very defensive player but there can be cards. That are like if you play defensive you will just lose in three turns so like it forces you to suddenly play very differently from the way that you intend to play and i think that can be super interesting and i think you can without a doubt make an argument. That magic is the most complicated game that humans have made because all of these cards and all of their interactions the possibilities can just totally exploded like what can occur in a game and the thing that is is like a great example of this. Is that the magic. Game is turing complete. Which means you can simulate an entire computer just by the interactions of the rules of the cards. Many games are turing. Complete like minecraft a couple of episodes ago. And you know oh right. The redstone stuff in minecraft. Lets you build computers. Like that's the computerese stuff inside of it or if you play factoria it's like oh right. There's red and green wires and that's all the computerese stuff. But those games explicitly added elements that were there to add. Computer program re stuff into them whereas the magic touring complete stuff is totally unintentional. Like the game designers never intended to say oh people should be able to simulate computing functions within our game. Now they just made so many cards with so many rules and so many weird edge cases that they accidentally built a system where someone can build a computer out of their cards. Which to me is hilarious. Don't understand what that really means. Like i get my head really broken me. I mean. I'm sure. You've seen this stuff in minecraft. Were like someone builds the minecraft inside. I've i've seen like you know like full video games inside of minecraft. Yes i've seen stuff but it's a computer game. So i understand how you can make a computer of it right right. This is what i mean but like so with the magic the gathering cards it gets to the question like what it computer and a computer means you need to have a certain number of ways that you can manipulate information. And i'll just leave it at magic cards are capable of doing that. Like it would take you a hundred million years but you could with magic cards. Recreate the game of minecraft that also simulates minecraft inside of it right accidents. Did it again. Broil it to a point where i was like. Oh i think. I'm getting pulled the rug out from them but i'll put a link to a guy made a video about it. That's based on a computer. Science paper that some total genie's wrote that i read through and was like. Oh my god my brain hurts so much but this is also so cool where they just proved that magic the gathering is turing complete. But what it just means a show by that is the variants of what can happen in a game is incredibly high and you can just constantly run into things where it's like. I've never seen that before or wow. I just lost in three minutes in a way that i didn't even know what's possible. That's so cool. If someone has watched my videos. I think it can be pretty clear that there is a part of me which really enjoys figuring things out and trying to figure out like what are the rules of this complicated system. And that's why. I have known for years that this is a game that if i ever got back into it like i would not be able to let go because it's just perfectly designed for exactly this kind of thing of it's an incredibly complicated system but it is also an understandable system if you can put enough time into it. It's just the variance indifferences incredibly high audi. You collect the cards in the virtual game. They do the same kind of thing that a lot of these companies do where there are virtual packs that you can buy you can also do it just like a free to play player depending on how much time you want to put in but you can just buy packs and then you have cards. I mean people always complain about the way companies. Run things but i think they have done some very clever things with. How do you get cards. That are rarer having sort of like a wild card system where it's like. Oh you haven't gotten a card but you can trade this in for a card of Quivalent rarity if you haven't gotten it by purchasing the packs. I just wanna do like we talked before about developers knowing the show. I just i just have to do a little shoutout to i. Don't know if any of the programmers who work on the magic system listened to the podcast but if they do just what to say. I think those guys must be total heroes for trying to program this into a game system because the the thing that is difficult to explain here is and this is one of the things that i like about the game is. It's a little bit like edge case the game so one of the things that superfund is try to find combinations of cards that were never intended to work together but can work together in a very strange way and then use that to win but it means that like pro. I cannot conceive of what a programming nightmare. This must be. try to make. It's also why this has been like a multi year project for the company and they are not remotely close to replicating all twenty thousand cards in their system like they are adding old ones as fast as they can. But it's like. Oh my god what i genuinely mean it that it may be one of the most pain in the ass programming jobs on the face of the earth to try to add in the old magic cards because all of them just constantly changed the rules about how the game works and debugging that must be a complete nightmare. You know when your computer freezes up get spinney beach ball and sometimes you may wonder like why doesn't the operating system just quit this program that we know is frozen right like the computers given me the spinney beach balls. It knows something's wrong right. It knows something's up. Like why do i have to be the one who force quits the program and the answer to that is. This is what's known as the halting problem in computer science where sorry computer scientists. If i put a little bit but the gist is you cannot use a computer program to determine with one hundred percents certainty. That another computer program is stuck in an infinite loop that it's not gonna work. Its way out of whatever problem. It's stuck into so that's why you is. The human have to force quit. Because there's mathematically no way for the computer know for certain. Is this program stuck forever or is it going to finish any second from now like you just can't know that and also why sometimes you get the spinney beach ball and then you go get a cup of coffee and you come back and your computer's fine because it was just working through something that was just gonna take a super long time well because this card game is turing complete. It has the exact same problem. There are lots of situations in the game. That can come up where it's like. Oh is this loop just going to happen infinitely forever shis to stalemate you can get you can get themselves into a situation where there is no way out. Yes and there's some really funny videos where neither player wants to hit draw but some action has been occurring automatically for eight hours and both people refuse to be the one to like. I'm not going to log off the system and give you the win right but neither player can do anything like a series of actions is just triggering more actions infinitely forever but the programmers can't know when that's happening right so that they can't like program into the rules a we know for sure this loop is just going to go on forever. Yeah so we can declare is bra it. Just be playing really slowly right. The economy even do it by time. Yes you can't do it. By time elapsed. So that's one of the reasons. Why like very few games would have this sort of property and also the sort of nerds who are attracted to this game. Love to set up that kind of nonsense right like oh let me try to exploit it in every possible way so i think you have both sides of it like this is really hard to program and also it attracts. People with programmer. Mindsets who are looking to exploit system like that is actually explicitly. 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Thanks a member for their support of the show and relay fm so it has now been two years since we launched the theme system on. Wow which is quite a thing so wbc twenty nineteen episode when we launched a journal to the world. Epo feels too long and too shorts. That could be one of those like pandemic time with that as well right or it's like you know true range time that we've been going through in those two years we've solved now of fifteen thousand journals which fills like a fantastic Because of various delays and supply constraints. We've solved more than half of those in two thousand twenty one alone so in the in these past six months we sold more than we sold in the last year and a half before that. Now we have. I think supply management under control in a way. I'm feeling pretty confident about things now. I'm very confident. It's all songs. Because i don't have to directly deal with any problems anymore. So i'm convinced that's all so for these two things coming together like now. The it's been around for a while we finalized basically what this product is now that we've got an non stock management under much more control whereabout to now launched a new thing. We've been trying to do for a while. Which is subscriptions to the things system journal. This is something that we wanted to do for a long time since like the beginning and it's something that people us. Hey why don't you just launch us subscription help your stock management problems The problem was it couldn't until we had a consistent and mostly reliable supply chain right. Yes we now have been able to secure so. We are now starting an option for a quarterly rolling subscription. Now what kind of really referring to this is kind of like a beta process. Your because we've and this is why we are launching it in the middle of the year and not at the start of the year so if there are things that we need to iron out we have time to do them before what is arguably on the issue not arguably definitely the focal point of apart like this which is the end of the year the beginning of right course so we didn't wanna launch it then because that would have been madness frank lane and also as well. We work him with our good friends at call bureau and we're working on this together. They have not done this before. This is the first product they have walked on with a subscription model built into it. Make thanks to them for helping us get walkout. yes definitely. This is the way that we're doing fennell right again. Beta thanks can change but this is the plan so when you subscribe you get sent a jonelle immediately and you then get into the into the shipping for the next quarter journal so if you become a subscriber at the theme system journal at the start of every quarter have journal because it would have been delivered to you before then so. This is october first january. First april i july first you will have a journal arrived with you before that point right so we are going to start shipping them out a month before that date But the hope then that it will arrive at people in time so when you go to buy cortex match dot com. You'll time is indicated on the page. So it will say like if you buy now it will be shipped at point and you'll next journal will be shipped at this point so one of the worst things you could do is to order between that time period races the thing that will look like if you ordered on like september second rice. You might end up point where you might have like a week where you don't have a journal but that's only going to happen that first time and then it will walk out and again. This is just trying to walk out the logistical this stuff. Right like we're all new to. It's it's very like so complicated. This is why it is a beta program. And i think it's very fair to say like we definitely want feedback on this because this is again when we first talked about this forever ago you pitch me on the idea of subscriptions and it was like oh yeah of course like that's that's definitely a thing to do and then when we finally get the logistics sets and then the details come round. Be like okay. So what actually happens when someone passes by and you realize oh in my head i had vague completely unthought outweigh that this would just be perfect but now that we need to figure out the real details. It's harder to try to figure out. What is the situation that makes everyone the happiest so real easy way of doing. This is impressed by now and you get one on october. First right but that sucks but yeah but that's exactly. I think that's not what most people want to have happen. You want when you press by your internal feeling as i have bought this. I would like this now please. Would you don't want is someone to purchase something just after the seasonal change over and then they have to wait three months for the next journal to show up like that's a terrible experience but this is also like we're just testing this now because we're trying to think of. What is the best way to do this. But we definitely want feedback for okay now that this is going to start interacting with the real world. Is this what people want. And expect like they get a journal now and then they are put onto the seasonal delivery schedule like we think this is the best way. But we're not one hundred percent sure Because it's like it's also you know this is kind of like a pretty decent time to launch because if you bought it now and he started using it on july one which is would be kind of the expectation right. 'cause you any quarter especially by the time ships out to or whatever then you'll be good you'll be golden. Because they lost for ninety days you should have your general before ninety days is up and that's it so again with this is like a thing that would just trying to work out but there is incentives to you if you do this by the way. This isn't just farrah logistical management process. So few things so not only. Do you make sure you have woman. You won't one because this will be a thing that if we as we're managing stock with keeping an eye on. How many do we need some point kind of stuff. Way of making the journal cheap subscribers so currently the system. John lewis twenty five dollars. If you buy one off courtly subscribers get the journal for twenty dollars and extras as tokens of our appreciation. There will be little things included in the package the only subscribers to the thesis to journal. We'll get the first ones some stickers. The only people that are going to get these stickers these mr journals subscribers and we're going to. It's not. We're not going to change the world at these. Little small tokens of appreciation that subscribers get as well as a discount. So i guess pretty great and we want feedback from people's if you do subscribe let us know what the experience is like and the way it will work is leading up to the point where the next payment is going to be taken. Cont bureau was engineer email. They'll confirms if you have any changes you wanna make like. Maybe you can do. That is super easy to do that. You just contact them do that and again. We're building out a system together. Time depending on feedback so this is like the next stage. I'm pleased launching it now in november. I would want to be launching in november. Sir have a good six months to get this like truly showed up. I subscribed because it's good for mass pos. Although i have just these things but nevertheless do you need a discount on your theme system journals. I'm pretty sure you've got like in your house right now. More than enough for the rest of your life only applies to me and you but if we are logged into our an account they afri sweet new you know we pay for the thinks not truly free. We've actually lost money by doing that. But nevertheless don't get like a thousand of them because that's the only money pockets like if we're approaching neuhof of the year so if you've got new seasonal themed you wanna work on. This could be a great time to do that. So you can go to cortex much dot com. You can check out that we also have the subtle notebook. Which by the way this idea. If it works we could potentially look up rolex to two inscriptions to Right so we have the subtle note. Because while i'm working on another product i think people might wanna somewhat seasonal basis or a frequent basis. So this is us china understand. Is there a market for it. Does it make logistical sense for us to your customers. And we'll sewer goes from the cortex. Merch dot com. Wbz time ww dc. I've been getting lots of people telling me that they. They want this episode of cortex that like they need to know how we feel about certain things nokia any anything in particular that the people want to know about for say can't imagine. I don't think that we necessarily have that much of an impact on the decisions that apple decides to make with their operating systems however felt like a very cortex. Yeah i mean. I think we like we can all just acknowledge right here that when megan frost came out with the map section of wabc and london was the central focus of the slot. That list number one on the list very first image that they showed on the screen was a beautiful. Three d rendered london. It was like i see maps team. I know you're talking. Directly to cortex it message receives so yeah. Let me sure maps a screen time. Api which we were the only people asking for shortcuts on the mac ipad multitasking changes and effectively the entire system. That you've been wanting to build with downtime. Which is focused now okay. Nothing is ever going to be exactly as you want. However you have been trying to use downtime which is mostly a parental control feature to allow you to somewhat automate the apps that you use on your device and the notifications vacations that you received during those periods of time and that is effectively. What apple's also trying to do with something called focus. Your focus is now an umbrella. Tom that includes do not disturb so. Do not disturb is now focus mode right and effectively. This allows you to build your own profiles full custom notifications and attention. So you can choose who you want to contact you. What apps you want to contact you if there are certain apps that you want to send what quote unquote time-sensitive notifications and you can also program custom home screens. That show when you have these modes enabled. I think this is really coal. Yes although a saint now but we're gonna talk about focus modes but don't let me forget. You actually missed another coretec specific feature in this wdc. See that. i. I want to mention lee. Don't let me forget that. Okay but yeah the the focus mode thing it. It seems very interesting. I've installed the developer beta on my phone. Oh ipad and my computer at an install it on the writing computer because before no. I my heart leaps into my mouth for a second time. I've just wanted to let you know right like. Don't worry mike. The writing computer. Upon which i record podcasts does not been computer as well as the other things that it does. Writing computer is not beta operating system testing computer. I wouldn't do that too. Don't worry wouldn't make any sense right. Why would not make any sense to add features to the writing computer. It's just for writing. Well no the the the unnamed feature right now. I desperately do want on the writing computer. But we'll get to that later but i held back for you and also with the certain knowledge that all of my streaming software would totally break on the developer beta like barely works on the regular release zero chance that we're gonna you down like literally cats but i was trying to remember. I think this is maybe one of the only. Maybe the second time ever. I've installed the developer beta and not waited for the public beta and it was mainly for that other feature. But i did also want to see the focus mode stuff because people send me messages. And they're like apples. Made a thing totally for you and it sounds like yes. Yes but the devil is in the details. I will say that. I am cautiously optimistic. About the focus modes. There's some parts of it. That i feel like i'm still trying to figure out how they work. And there's some things where. I can't quite tell if it's just a glitch in the beta or if this is the way something is supposed to work. But i'm honestly surprised that apple would make a system like this. I think it's much more complicated than i ever would have expected apple to do. It feels very un athle- like don't get me wrong very appreciative. But when you knowingly told me about this rumor months ago just to annoy me. I was feeling like apple's never going to do this. Like this is just totally on apple style. But they did. And i was totally shocked to see that they have these like three or four defaults settings that they wanna try to set you up with is like work and personal and a couple of others but that you can also add whatever other ones that you want just completely arbitrary yet completely arbitrary number of these things that they're also integrated into shortcuts so that you can turn them on and off with automation. Yeah i say. I'm i'm cautiously optimistic about these features. One of the things that surprised me. The most is immediately. It's on every device and this is actually a really interesting thing about them. Is how many features the mac glove as well as ios. yes yes. I was very happy to see that this year it it felt like slow. Unification would be the two way. And i mean slow in the best of all possible ways. Yeah we're in a bunch of radical changes in one place that didn't work other places like everything got better together. I think that this is the benefit of underlying technology changes so yeah one having their own chips because there are some features in micheals monterey the only available for 'em one max And then the other thing is tools like swift. Ui which are cross-platform development language and stuff like that and swift and swift you. I so like for example shortcuts. Which is coming to the mac. That was bill in swifty. Y an advocate So they could also build the new version for ipad. Os in iowa in swift you. I knew i So that's how all of this stuff is able to work. So i think what we are seeing is again. It's not that they unifying the operating systems but they unifying some of the things they need to advance the operating systems which allows them to bring features everywhere once right which i think is fantastic though. I completely agree one of the you know. There's always stuff that you find when you install the beta that they don't mention in ww dc and the tiniest example of this which made me super happy was low power mode on the ipad. As like god they finally brought low power mode to the ipad. It's on the mac to is it how i didn't even. I didn't even really probably one of the reasons is on. Both of them is. They wanted to add it to one of them. I honestly i expect. It was probably for the mac. They were anne for the maximum. They just did it to the ipad to just take. The ipad is a device where i'm often wanting low power mode. I've always found it frustrating. That is not on there. Oh my god. This is fantastic. Like great please bring these features everywhere and i didn't realize it was for the maxwell that's w great and reemphasize is this concept of unification across the platforms so cool but yet just two completely talk about the focus mode stuff the one thing. I'm not sure about which. I think is mostly a bug but the experience that i've had is it doesn't seem consistent to me about so you have a focus mode on and someone sends you a notification. Sometimes that notification appears on the lock screen. When you just open the phone and sometimes it doesn't. I think that's a bug but i'm not one hundred percent shore and that's the one part that i feel very concerned. About which way does this behavior go. I would recommend maybe keeping an eye on what apps the doing that. One of the things that has changed. I believe with these versions of iowa's and put us is notifications can now be set. A priority ranking is full rankings. Yes yes and they show up in different ways so if it's part yet they just they haven't been able to do any of this stuff. Yeah so it's it's i message is the one that is always my main concern like this is always been my like message sometimes. Just don't want you in the mornings and like even today was interesting like we were. We were messaging a little bit getting ready for the show. And i had on my most restricted focus mode. And sometimes your messages were showing up on the lock screen. And sometimes they were not and so that just felt like a bug thousand employees. Then because if you haven't sent that way and sometimes it works like that. That feels like that's the intended thing and then jumps through. It's the way it's supposed to work. That's what i would have. So you think the default behavior is that it shouldn't show up on the lockscreen. That's what you think is the default behavior. I mean if you've said that you don't want to hear from me well let me let me the actual. There's an option in here. Which i find so strangely worded if you go into your focus modes and you go into the extra options. Dim lockscreen now. It's not the. Tim locks the delayed delivery one. I feel like as my brain. Not working but i have such a hard time understanding the sentence. Notifications you receive. Yeah that are not in your allowed list will be delivered directly to notification center until the focus is turned off so when you go to notification center there now so i mean do not disturb right now and i have two things one is upcoming And one is notification center and the upcoming is a like collection of things where you just say that there are apps and it's effectively storing these notifications until late iran and his called wall in. Do not disturb right and so what that's meant to do. And i think it might not be doing it completely consistently right now right right. That delayed delivery is collecting paul innovations of and keeping them in that little area. And then when you're there and you get them all right but so notification center you can see that you have upcoming notifications. Yes the only thing that didn't feel very cortex see to me was every time on stage. I think it was. Craig was doing the presentation where he was talking about. The way notifications are going to be collected to summarize. He said like three times. Don't worry not people. And it was like no i want. The people like people notifications are app notifications. All the same to me like like i do want to collect people notifications. Whatever these systems are. And i just thought it was funny that several times he wanted to. I don't know kind of like allay people's concerns of. Don't worry your friends will always be able to contact you. And i'm sitting there like no no. I don't want my friends so that's partly why. When i was watching it i was like. Oh no this is going to be another one of these things that everybody thinks is custom built for me. An actually just completely ignores the one problem actually. I find that things slightly strangely worded and this is also the like apples language. For what is where can be a little bit confusing so like the lockscreen is not the notification center. But if i if i'm in a focus mode and i swiped down that brings up notification center and then what do i see there at different times like i don't know i'll just have to see a you know a couple of betas in but what i'm hoping is that the expected behavior with flipping the right switches. Is that if someone messages me. That doesn't show up on the lock screen. You know my thought here is to clarifies like it's not so much notifications. That are really thing that i'm concerned about. It's like distraction is the thing and even if i don't see what a notification is from someone unintentionally running into like oh overnight. You got five messages from people. That's a distraction to sort of flow in the morning. So that's all. I'm hoping is that. There's a way to hide that. Without having to use the god awful downtime system which i've turned off to try to figure out how to make the focus modes work. I feel pretty confident. This system can do that but it might. Just be a little too early in the cycle to be working reliably the thing this little presentation the the focus mode section they said about how this system ties into the custom home screen and your ability to select which pages show up as amazing. I like i had my mind blown by that part of it. And and is also one of those little moments where sometimes with apple. It can be very frustrating. It feels like things move very slowly the ad features so slowly but the real power they have is integrating and connecting all of their little features together. And this is the one where it's like. Oh my god that multiple home screen thing suddenly makes a hundred times more sense like why did they add that feature. It's to connect to this especially the fact that you can turn them on enough. Yes so it was like okay. Great like i was thinking about how i've had different ipads and it's like. Oh this is the research ipad and this is the couch ipad. It's like man with this focus mode stuff. If i can turn on and off the different ways that the home screen looks. That goes a long way to not needing to mess with multiple devices and just being able to have one device so whoever whoever had that big brain moment at apple of connecting up those features wash chefs kissed. Like what a perfect thing with things which is like again like i love when they make the weird decision is you can have multiple instances of the same app on home screens yes. I was very glad to see that was one of the things i wanted to play with right away. It's like okay but it can of have multiple things like oh fantastic. You wanted to have like the notes at on. You'll walk home screen. You'll of research home screen. You'll post them. You can be on all of them and then there has been funny things where people put like twitter app. Every i column on the home screen. That's been like around saying but that's fantastic. It might be a bug right now that you can put the same app on multiple times on the same home screen like that feels redundant but that's also hilarious super bowl like i'm really into this feature like i've only just started tinkering with it like i haven't truly set one up the way the i would want to. Especially because i actually think for me. This system will be best on my mac. Yes and my ios devices. Because i would want to set up a recording focus. Because that's when for me. I want the most restriction because i have my mac on do not disturb all the time but there are instances where i would like some notifications but if i turn them all for messages i'm gonna get every i message and i don't want that you know so i like the fact that i can have people as well as applications and i do believe it will be possible for developers of therapy. You messing apps to integrate with this. So who for example. If you had me turned on. And i messaged you in slack. It would still alert you. Oh that's really interesting You gotta call that focus mode live all caps. Like that's gotta be the name of your. I'm recording now. I mean i was just gonna recording put clinton certainly not invented enough now live right like old timey big big red sign outside the door like mike live now. live at. That focused mode is for sure. Probably could tie into home canton red light. Yes yeah genuinely probably could do that. I'm going to look into it. Because this is like super interested in you can ultimat- them focused modes have an automation like do not disturbed it so you can sell competent in these times but you can also automate it with a shortcut so you can add it to a shortcut so like for me. I have a shortcut use currently when record which sets the timer and puts my device on do not disturb but now it will set a timer entire murray and then put all of my devices once in the i am recording thing so yeah super bowl that the the across all devices thing is is just fantastic. That's that's partly what makes it a just a completely killer feature and that automation with the home screen stuff again like the. I just haven't had enough time to truly play around with it since putting on the developer beta. Because i gave myself a day where it was like. Now it's so stupid to put on the developer beta and then eventually cracked and was like i need to. I have to play around. But i i just love the idea of just all of the connections that can happen now. Like if i'm on my ipad setting a timer that's like the writing timer starts now and it puts it in focus mode but it also changes. What's on the home screen. So that the various that. I need when i'm writing are more accessible right there on the home screen and i don't need to try to design a doc that works under all circumstances. I just think it's so well done. I'm really happy with all of that. Also just a little feature that. I was very glad to see their and and grateful to whatever engineer put it in just the option to hide the badge notifications. Well so it's like that again is where my concern is it's not just notifications it's distractions and it's like okay. Great very relieved to see the option to say. I don't wanna see badge. Numbers is there as well. And i was like. Oh thank god. I'm so happy that's there and is a sign of like this is thinking about it in the way that i'm hoping that they're thinking about it. I'm surprised at how fiddly is. It's a pretty fiddly. Ui right like you go in and you send a bunch of check boxes and that's it's not typically the kind of stuff that we see from apple. They want to do it for you right. Yeah but everything's off when you try and set up new focus mode of stuff all manually and yes. This is what i wanted. There is a little check box of like. Would you like to change these like smart detection. No one i'll tell you into do it. Don't you try and do it for me. Bad stuff happens. When i quite enjoyed happening a few times and i was never in a good spot to turn it off was in the old system. Do not disturb had an automatic for turn on do not disturb while driving and i discovered that riding. My bike is apparently enough to make that thing that i'm driving a car so it'd be on my bike and someone would send me a message and be like i'm driving now. What are you doing that. you don't have a license in london. You can't be like apple you must know. I have running on my watch like currently cycling outdoors. How on earth do you think that. I'm driving a car right now so i saw that too and it made me laugh as like. You're not an predict. When i want to do serious work. I'll tell you what i'm doing serious work. This episode is brought to you by linked jobs today. Many small business owners a busier than ever and because they have focusing managing growing their business. 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There's no external monitor support To me this feels like a bad a foundation to work from going forward. I think this is the best implementation of this system which is now six years old right. And that's brunell this system of side-by-side apple side of up you know that's the way it's been for this amount of time and in the whole time the way that you've done it is a various modes of dragging things around with your fingers. Right and with the ipad os fifty multitasking. They've added to things. Which i think a fantastic one is this little pill says that the top of every open application which you can tap and it will allow you to set the apples of four screen. Set it as a split screen or put it in slide over fantastic super easy but the big thing is they have added keyboard shortcuts. Everything so okay. This is my favorite pop. Here's my question about keyboard shortcuts. Because say for everything. But i'm i'm having a hard time with some of the keyboard shortcuts and this some of this is one hundred percent developer issues because i get hilarious. Crashes sometimes and then the language of my keyboard changes which i find suggesting here is the use case that i don't think they have a keyboard shortcut for but i hope i'm just misunderstanding. So let's say mama ipad. I've to apps side by side I've got obsidian got ulysses. open. I'm working away and then i go. Hey you know what i want to put on some of my writing music to listen to you on repeat thousand times like a crazy person. Is there a way to open up music on that screen. Either in one of the two side by side ways or in a slide over without lifting my fingers off the keyboard. Because i don't think there is there is okay. How all right. So one of the things that's important to know is that there is now a new modify key which is the globe key. I i did love that. Like when i saw the globe key being used as the shortcuts key i thought oh that's quite clever and i also thought countdown. To how long will it be until the globe key appears on The next mac book. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if it does eventually show up on. The regular keep is on there now. Is it really. Yeah i believe the glow keys on the magic keyboard. Oh is on the actual laptop itself though yes Okay well there we go. Prediction instantly reached retroactively. I didn't even realize it was there. Yes the bomb left key. How okay it was. Just erase from my brain. Because i'm always on these mechanical keyboards. And i just forgot about it and assumed it wasn't there that i like so obviously. Mechanical keyboards extended keyboards. Don't have that key that you can bring map so my yes. I've matt camps lucky to be the globe case. That's interesting choice. Yeah i've always done cap blocks controlled who needs capsule. No-one needs caps lock very shifts. So this is the thing where so what we're talking about here. You wanna put either on the left or right hand side of the split right. Bright okay now. If you do it the way you would think you would do. It doesn't work right. So this is the way i've i've been trying to do it. Is i think okay two windows open. And i want to swap one of them for something else and so the way i try. I've tried to do it. Is i pull up a spotlight search. I search for music. And then i use the keyboard shortcut to try to put. It left right am i. I've had crashes and literally will switch to chinese sometimes like whoa do this but you gotta do it the other way around okay. What does that mean so you stop by glow control left. Alright say you wanna put something on the left or right hand side then do the spotlight such And then whichever app you choose will take the other side Okay interesting. i'm very glad to hear that. This was the first thing that i tried. Because this is what we have been asking for forever. Yeah that you can search and then you can just open the app on the left hand side so you can do it. You just have to start with. I one of change split screen. Then do you search and it will replace interesting that is so incredibly backwards from the way that i would think about it. But whatever I'm very glad that i've gotten used to very quickly. I've been doing this of unless you days. Something else which is kinda cool. You can use the keyboard now to select an app from the home screen. Okay i didn't. I didn't realize when you're on the home screen. You just press tab and then you can go left up down and right and it highlights each application you can just launch to. Oh that's that's really nice. Yeah i'm super glad to hear that about the keyboard shortcuts though because that has you know like i've mentioned research pad as like the ipad that i use for research and i have always loved it but almost always describe it in the context of using it primarily for reading and internet research because the is always just been too much of a hassle to switch back and forth between writing and reading and doing all of the other stuff and i think if i can use the keyboard to quickly switch between ulysses for writing obsidian for notes and safari for finding stuff or kindle for the book that i'm going through like being able to switch rapidly between those three or four without having to take my hands off the keyboard i think that does have the potential to really change the amount that i use the ipad and i'm like i'm just very very happy to hear that fast switching is possible now like i. I really think that that that could be a real game changer. For how use the ipad again. They have done a very good job of making the system that they truly believe in make more sense of how us in my opinion and they've added stuff in like this is kind of weird double menu. Bonao you mean the thing on the bottom. That has like the different tabs. Is that the one that you mean. Yeah this to you in an application you can hold down the command key and see what options are available for you of kibo cuts. But they're also actions you can perform and this is where if an application is a catalyst app. They've added all of the mac specific menu bar items and so now the ipad applications benefit from the us the also. There's also one if you hold down the globe k which tells you all of the things a system related that you can do. Yeah like you can bring up control center notification sentinel of keyboard shortcuts. Now that you can basically operate the entire system now with the keyboard which was a thing that you could not do before and that is because they've added this new way as the globe using that globe key is just fantastic for this too and it's just an accident because it was originally used for the emoji in language switching like basically wasn't used for hardly anything it's it's actually believe it's original publish purely language should change then they put emoji behind it but it it just works out that that globe idea to represent the languages is also perfect for these are the global commands for the system that are not tied to any particular apps. So it's like. Oh what a happy coincidence. And it's very interesting that that's where they put all the commands to thumbs up to that. The one little suggestion that might have for the team is an again. Maybe i'm just missing an obvious thing about this. But i like that you can now like move the windows round but there seems to be confusion about which window is in focus. So even like when you're pulling up the keyboard shortcuts. It's not always obvious which app in a split screen situation is the app that is currently focused on so they have actually added an for this. Now okay what have. What have they added so the top of each application. You have those three dots right in those three dots away. You can tap that and get it to do the multitasking things. The active application is now. There's a highlight around those dots. There was literally going to be my suggestion. Just add this in. Is this like developer beta to haven't seen that yet simba one kind of know what you're looking forward to see it 'cause subtle but it's there you know so you what whichever application has the little highlight around. The dots is the active application. Oh i'm very glad to know that that's there then because that was the only other thing i was thinking which have why. Oh these are the keyboard shortcuts for the wrong or i moved the different one onto the other side. But that is that is that is great man. You've you've made me a lot happier about the keyboard shortcuts stuff. Because i just was worried about now the one thing i really want to do with these shortcuts. I can't figure out how to do it. But i'm very glad that it's there one of the things i've always wanted from ipad. Multitasking is a way to control. It was shortcuts. that now exists So this is actually because of the fact that they've added shortcuts to the mac so mico monterey is bringing shortcuts and it starting a multiple year transition to becoming the automation system on the mac so has gone to replace alternator to do that. They had to add in a bunch of things that ultimate can do. Most of these are mac related but some of them. They've created ipod pause so a lot of files related actions now exist on the ipad. That didn't before like getting the contents of a folder saving to a specific folder in the files app grabbing falls from the falls is the things that show. 'cause couldn't do before but one of the things that it has gained is the ability to set applications in split view and slide over So there's a couple of things that you do one for me. I love it like i've had. I've show prep shortcut. i've had for years. Which will open a google doc and Time but now it can open a google doc it can set safari on the right hand side and then open notes sleight of the view as well absolutely perfect for me but then also the thing that we've asked for years full. Which is the ability to cry app. Pass you cannot do that we shall cons icon on your home screen of you are choosing and it can just be two applications that they will just open and be next to each other. I know that this feature is there. Because when i couldn't figure out how to make an app an arbitrary app disco to the left or the right. I started building some shortcuts. That were what are all the combinations of things that i could possibly want all right so so i made a shortcut. That was you. Oh and that would open up ulysses on the left and obsidian on the right and then it was like kay you kindle on the left obsidian on the right i mean you want. Because that's that's going to be the fastest way to get too specific apps that you want. Did you know way as well in the multitasking switzer. Will you see all the applications. You can now create and break multitasking in that view. Yeah i think that's. That's like a fun demo. I'm not sure. I'm gonna use that very much but that is cool to see one of those things that i wanted to. Every now and then was really annoyed that it didn't look right. Yeah yeah so. I can go in. Then now it'd be like oh. That's the apple looking. I don't need it in a split view to drag it out. I think also one of the little features that i wouldn't have thought to ask for. But i'm very glad as there is in that multitasking. You can now see what is living in slide over. Yes i always kind of felt like slide over. Was this really random. Look like i never knew what i was gonna get in slide over. It seemed like app sometimes fell out of there or went into for reasons. I just couldn't quite figure out and it's like oh now being able to just visually see you have p calc and the notes app in slide over as great okay. I can just see that. They're in what order. They're in a really really liked that as an addition even though like i would never have thought to request it. So it's it's nice to be able to see that and also from that window be able to boot stuff out. Like oh i don't really need music and slide over anymore and just get rid of it. I haven't done a good enough job is just underscoring the fact of how incredibly excited i am that shortcuts. His come into the back like this was very tippy. Top of my feature requests for the a really interesting because over this year i have moved most of my work back to the mac again right with about on the show before and shortcuts was the main thing that was missing because there were things i've been so used to doing on my ipad and my iphone that i can't do a mac or have a little problem. I wanna fix a my brain kind knows how to use shortcuts. That i couldn't do it on my mac so i'm super excited about this. Actually think there are bunch of things that i can do with the power of the mac that will be fantastic from me like fall management and stuff like that like super excited and i mean if you are a die-hard formation expert you can run scripts and social codes. You can use opposite of. Shell scripts that kind of stuff. It will work. Which is i mean. Frankly astounding honestly. They've built that functionality. And thing apple surprise me a lot this year honestly like they've added a lot of features that i want and then they've also implemented them in ways that i would want but wouldn't have expected them to do. Yeah i haven't had a chance to play around with shortcuts on the mac. I i think that was less high on my list. Because on one of those people who is using keyboard maestro and automated to do a bunch of the things that i wanted so it wasn't as high on my list but i am very glad to have a unified system and say okay. Now it's going to work the same way. I don't i don't have to open up these automated actions that i've been carrying around for years and years to do some of the stuff on the mac that i want to do. That is very nice. And i'll be curious to test the import of like. Hey can you just suck in all my old automated stuff. So i don't have to think about it. Be curious to see how that goes. But it will be really nice to have shortcuts on the back end from what i remember. It looked like in the demo. You can do the same thing like an o s where you can create pseudo app icons where you can click them unlike. Run the shortcut that way. So there every women you can run from app icon. They could be in the menu bar and in finding like great perfect. That's exactly what i would want. I think i saw someone say in in the relief. Disco which i really liked like you could create a folder in the dock. Like you can do does little stacks and just put a bunch of shortcuts in their bunch of shortcuts in it so cool. That was a really clever idea. But and then bring bringing widgets which suck on the mac and a comp leave not like. I won't widgets on the mac home screen as well like the notification center area of the mac is is pretty bad and it's not getting fixed which would add whatever like that one got left behind his ear but i never use it. Anyway koshien yeah. I'll just say like we've said before. I will say it again. The acquisition of shortcuts by apple is maybe the best acquisition that the company has ever made and years later after that acquisition. Like a very happy to see that unlike some other times when companies get acquired like it didn't just disappear into the behemoth the company like shortcuts really has become this totally core part of now all of the operating systems and i'm just so happy about that one. What i like to people that. I knew that walked on. Workflow is still there And like i see them in the videos you know concession videos and also just makes me feel good about what they're doing with it like that the people that made this up and cat about it until at something wanted to keep like wanted to make it they want to continue walking on and keeping it going at apple. Yeah it's fantastic. One of the engineers was saying that like it was interesting for them because they had to become mac developers this year Right chorus of four of them have made a maquette before right. They knew they knew. Ios apps that's what they knew how to make they add to learn to become mac developers. But isn't that. What catalysts does you don't have to learn how to be a mac developer. You can just not catalyst. Oh it's not a swifty. Lion app kit Now the version on iowa's is swift you. I knew i guess that explains some of the visual redesigns as well. That's why it looks different. Which is i was. I was also really glad for the collapsible hierarchy stuff. It's like oh thank god you know when you have a bunch of nested statements. Now he can just collapse all of that away and make it one hundred times easier just because there's so much has gone on his show cost associated in a way. I think we were expecting so much. It's been kind of missed. The app has been completely redesigned. Which would have been the story. But it looks different. The organization is different And then they've added in some features to make things a bit more neater which kind of has resulted in. 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It looks like of. It's very interesting it looks. It looks like a video game. i'm intrigued. This isn't the feature i'm jay. I'm apple maps. Go again. Because i wanna see about that transit stuff. I think you totally should like. I will just say here. Quite legitimately apple maps has been the butt of jokes for years and i think partly because of that people have not properly perceived how improved apple maps has become like i think people are just really blind to their slow but very good incriminating of features. I think part of the reason is because you don't need the cab because google maps is also berlin. Yeah i'm not like. I'm not saying that google maps isn't good. It's just like i just think people underrate how good apple maps currently is. And they're thinking about that time. They gave it a try three years ago. And one of the things that i've noticed. Is that apple. maps has started doing some of the. I don't know quite what to call it. But like the google. Ai stuff where they mark off districts for. You aren't official places but like if you go. Scroll around london. The apple maps will mark off. Like what are the commercial districts in these various areas. Like where is the actual high street of this town and that's outlined in orange as like boys that stuff incredibly useful when you're visiting someplace that you're not familiar with to know. Oh all of this area is residential area and then this area is the commercial area. Where shops and things are like. What a pain in the ass. It was be to build that kind of feature in but it's so useful and it's also so subtle that you might not even really think about it. That like the app is kind of directing you to. If you're in the city these are the places that you probably want to go. You probably don't wanna just wander around randomly in a residential area. That has nothing commercial for you. Lots of little things and apps. I really love that. Their defaults three d satellite imagery is back like whenever you switch into satellite mode. Used to then have to manually turn on the three d. thing and host found it's super annoying because the three d. view is super helpful but it's their apple maps also added in a feature. Which is the. I want to know when i need to leave to reach a particular area by a certain time which they just hadn't had for quite a while says like great that's added in of like i need to be at the airport by eight. Am on wednesday like. When do i need to leave by. I would totally recommend giving it a little try. And i mean all of these things are personal but one area where i think apple maps really does do a good job as i've i've just found that they're always better at the audio cues for when you're driving. They're just better about telling you like. When do you need to turn telling you at the moment that you actually want to know. Whereas i found all of the other systems that i use they tell you like oh turn left ahead but not as reliably at like the moment when i actually want to know. Was it this left. Turn or is it the next left. Turn or this other stuff. So i would totally recommend giving a try if you happen in a while. Plus it just looks beautiful so good. It really is very well designed in a way that i think i haven't given it credit for it's gorgeous. I think the colors that they choose are a really beautiful. It's a great looking map especially if you're in the new map area like they've like this was like a joke on the show now but i. I really do think that the map stuff is super interesting. I want to hear more from egg frost. Like tell me more about these maps and they're super cool features and i do think that the map system is the key to their augmented reality. Future like they even again showed just a just a quick little demo of like oh by the way in maps now we can pinpoint your exact location by looking at the streets around you and we can draw an arrow monde the street of which way you need to go like g apple maps. What might be used understand. You want to see apple's our future like look at maps and it's gorgeous that anyway. That was not what i wanted to talk about specifically but like i just love the maps update and i think it's really good and i use the apple maps app a lot so i wanna get you a t shirt that says maps totally one hundred percent but okay. So here's the secret feature. I was saving to the end. The thing that i was legit. The most excited about the thing that. When i heard it i was like going to install this developer beta on every one of my machines except for the writing machines and it is synchronized tab groups in safari right. Having gone not tell you how excited i am about. This is even more than the focus. Modes. this is like the best feature for me this year. In the operating system focus modes people who've listened to the show you know how like years of frustration and like all of my anger around that very high but like sink. Tab groups beats it out and it makes such tangible difference to the way that i work i can barely express it to you and like when i got that developer beta on. I've got three different. Machines is like thing number one of his doing is like making the tab groups for different projects and synchronizing them together and trying to pull out all of the random tabs. I have on different machines as like what bliss what bliss to to finally have safari work. The way that. I think it should work with these tab- groups so thrilled. I love it. A super high level tab groups allows you to now collect up a selection of tabs. And you put them into what is effectively a group of folder. And they live in the sidebar. So you can have multiple groups of tabs. They in cyber Or in a menu on the iphone and these tab groups who you add or remove him they sing because all of your devices. This is a really cool feature. I think of safari. What is interesting. Is the new design for safari very controversial so far. Yeah i i mean. I think it's fine like i think it makes more sense on the phone the Address bar on the bottom of the phone is improvement. Even though it's weird like it's it takes a little bit of getting used to it. They're on the. I'm and i haven't used the phone. But i've seen screenshots and stuff i am just so thankful they've gotten rid of that stupid carousel thing to like the cod catalog style. Like the way that you would go for tabs on the iphone. I have is now a great again. Which is how it should have always been. Yeah yeah it's much better as much as script. The safari design. I think mostly fine with it. I think the one thing that's weird is if you have a bunch of tabs open. The had put to put this like previously on safari. The thing that is like this is the u. r. l. bar here is the url that you are currently located at in the current version that changes depending on. Which had you have open. Where is that on the screen. So i i find that a little bit disorienting. It's like oh sometime. You are l. that i'm looking at is all the way on the right. If i'm looking at the right most tab. And if i'm looking at the left most habits all the way on the left like i don't i don't love that but overall the redesign i i would give it a thumbs up it's fine. I wasn't begging for a redesigned. But no i don't hate it. I'm trying to get used to the new tab view where the tab is also the address bar like getting used to. I'm kinda bummed. The pin tabs don't seem to be a thing anymore. I liked that how ever think type groups will actually give me better organization that way. I think i could get used to it. I would say that in the broader community is this is not loved. This design to to put it mildly. But i would say for me. I mostly fine of it because i really liked the type. Group feature think is really cool and actually helps me with organiz ation. I don't need to have fifty times open if i can collect them up into little groups instead. Yeah the only feature. i would request. Which doesn't seem to exist. Is i would love to have an ability to say. Open all new. Url's in a specific tab group the fact that there is like a local on sinked set of web pages. I find a little strange. And i wonder if that's going to cause user confusion with people when it's like wait. Oh i didn't know that. Because i can. I only have one device right now. I thought they everything would be saying. But it's not so it doesn't sink. Everything and i like the one thing i worry about. Is if the tab groups feature is received as unpopular because there is an inconsistent behavior. That people don't understand. And i like it's. It's always seemed weird to me. That safari doesn't sink any way it'd be a bit like aptx doesn't sink and people are like no. That's the way i want. Notes apps to work is that there's not supposed to sink only have this notes on this computer and it's like no no. That's just the way you've used computers for ten years. It's like that's not actually a better way to do. It always seemed to me. Like jerry state should universally sink just like your notes app state universally sinks just like your photos universally sink and i think people who argue for non universality sink in web browsers are just arguing out of the way. They have used something in the past. But i suspect that that contingent is quite strong and vocal. And it's why safaris default behavior is this split way where when you click a url and it opens a new page. It opens that page in. What is now effectively. This is your local copy of safari on this machine. And these tabs do not think only the tabs that you put in tab groups sink. And i just wish there was a way to tell the system either like hey this idea of local webpages is stupid and dumb and just synchronize everything or what i tried to do. Was i just created a tab. Group called tabs and i tried to find a way to tell the system like open all new. You are ells in this group. Yeah so that is just across machines. But as far as i could tell. There's no way to do that but even currently the way that it works. It's fine because if i am in a tab group all new tabs and new. url's open within that group and it's like it makes such an incredible difference about just a track of. What was i looking at for various research projects. It's i. I do not have the words to express how huge of a deal it is to not lose track of interesting webpages that i had opened somewhere or what happened. More often is like recreating on each machine. The same sort of groups of similar pages on topic and like it was just incredibly frustrating. And it's why. I talked on several shows ago about trying to figure out some way with shortcuts our system automation to like force this behavior by automatically book and opening tabs and it was just like it wasn't possible so sink tab groups was my holly lou moment in the keynote and i was so pumped and even on developer beta one works great. I'm so happy about it. There is one thing. I don't like about safari which is like hell. Basically every action is hit behind. That three dealt button. Yeah yeah. I don't know what they're trying to do there. That's very odd to me like looting the chevy button so like so many taps now to share something that that. That's like a an odd choice. The design brief their feels a little bit like someone thinks. Safari is much more space constrained than it really is. That's a little bit. What this design feels like. I think especially the. It's this way on the mac. Two i think is the most egregious pa. Yeah he's a good twenty inch monitors like it's fine. I can have one extra button there. But i agree with you. That is weird. And i've found myself being like i want to send this webpage to shortcut. Where the hell is okay. It's under here. And then like that's fine. I i can live with. I mean i can live with anything in exchange for tab group so many you know where the change design wise and actually safari has a history of radical changes and then some of walked back by the time the releases out I actually think safari is probably well see. The most design integration throughout the process. Yeah i wouldn't be surprised. I mean if. I had to pick one thing i would. I would probably say the tabs separate from the current url. Like that's the thing that i like the least but i also think i'll get used to it over time. It's just weird right now and i. I don't like the inconsistency because he's so new so different. Yeah one last thing i wanted to. What your thoughts are you tried. It yet is universal control. No no i haven't tried. Universal control laughed out loud at craig's totally ridiculous but also completely metal demo of i'm going to drag this file from my ipad into final cuts on the mac. I was like oh my god. My favorite puff unnecessarily dragged over another computer. So it went from an ipad to a mac book to an mac and the mac book did nothing in the process. Exactly especially for me. The fact that he dropped it into final cut of all things is like. Oh my god. I think that's an amazing demo. I have a hard time imagining. I would ever actually use it because i really love putting my ipad into sidecar mode with the laptop has a second monitor like i use that all the time. That's one of my favorite new features from last year or the year before. I can't remember. But i use that constantly as a quick and easy way to get to screens on a laptop but to me the big benefit of that is this is now all of the same machine and i can use it in the same way like i. I have a hard time imagining a situation where i specifically want to use an ipad. In that way with the mac i can imagine it. Yeah maybe i'm wrong. But i just i have a hard time imagining any way. That would be better than just side carding the ipad into a second monitor unless there's some app on the ipad only runs on the ipad. Yeah i don't know do you imagine a use for it. I could times like there are some experiences the i prefer on the ipad. I could also imagine. Just i have screen here and like i wanna have a full screen fantastic. How window. i'll just pop over an open. It rather than do the site the whole psycho thing. One of you know i can think as these devices can continue to get closer and closer to each other. It's almost like having a second screen. Rather than even the news cycle. There was just one little implementation detail that i just think is super clever. The or devices don't know where they are related to each other right right. They have no idea right. You put your ipad to the left hand. Side of your eye mag your. I might doesn't notice an ipad next to it the way it works. Is you have to kind of take your cousin. You push all the way to the edge of the screen and you keep pushing and then you see this kind of cuss trying to break through to the ipad. I did really like that animation. Like right when they showed that animation on the demos like. Oh that's a cool way to to put it like you're trying to break through this membrane separating the devices so when you do that you have proven wear. These devices are in relation to each other. And that's how it knows right. But i haven't since i haven't tested it. You must have to invoke some command on the mac. Say i want to push the cursor through right like it doesn't just work if the ipad is just open next to the mac like you must have to say what what you're doing is you're just like you push off the screen and then you keep going right. I guess what i'm asking is. That behavior is just default. Always that if i have an ipad open yep or another man and i have a mac open if i ever move the cursor to the edge of the screen if i keep pushing it will push through to the other device. That's just the constant default behavior. I believe so yes That is very clever them. I guess they also like the devices. No this device is in the proximity. The are open right so lincoln. It's got a no. There's a device fussed and that's using continuity right like it's not gonna give you the option if the ipad is locked all the screen. The laptop is closed. But i just think it's such a clever way of dealing with it that if you had your ipad like on the below monitoring you push on the left hand side. It's going to come in from the right hand side right right. It's just assuming that people wouldn't do that right. Yeah what are you some kind of monster who wants to have the cursor go off in the wrong direction get together screen so it's just like one of those things that i just loved. The design of that is just using kind of psychology really. I could just the way people do things. That's how we're going to make it work because what you've done that fast pa you can then move freely between them you've just establishing where it is in the first instance you don't have to keep doing the pushing thing right right Very clever i didn't really think about it very good. Ww dc overall. Lots of stuff. I think that ridiculous demo is maybe one of my favorite tech demos. I've ever seen apple. Do i think there there was just a lot of showmanship in that feature. It was really really well done demo and made me smile and was ridiculous but also impactful at the same time as as great as it. There's an apple at its best presentation style of like look at the way. All of our things are integrated together and this silly but also useful and fun. Lee designed feature that that we've created a plus demo for sure we get around out the show with An escort next question. Of course hashtag ask. What's ex do them every time. Now you can always send them in if you want to tweet you hashtag tax or you can use question. Mark oscar tax relief members discord haley. Ost have ever if you considered working a four day workweek be curious to know what your thoughts are on it. I mean i'm guessing with the number of shows that you record that you couldn't really do a four day. Could you squeeze all of your shows into forty i could. I mean it's red eye record five days okay. Like a usually canada. Depending on the week. I might record a show in three days or four days but might be on some days doubling up but i typically don't record every day i wouldn't want to though like i thought about this for a bit So the idea four-day workweek is in essence taking a five day week and turn into full right Nra sounds maybe stupid. The whether they're put it but it's the idea like of most people who have a monday to friday typically nine to five job. What do you think about. He the drop in a day or drop in a day and adding more days onto the other four. I expected it two ways. You would do it. But i don't walk monday friday night to five Like if i did a four day workweek. i've lost three days right. Because i i work every day. Mo- by and large. And that's just how i am. I like to do and sometimes it can just be simple stuff. Like i'm not sitting down. And ed in a podcast seven days a week right but i think my ideal for this will be more in the spirit of it rather than the actuality so working a little bit less than i do now but still every day robin restricting to just certain days Who wouldn't want to work less. Yeah i think. That's part of the usual way that i was here. The four day workweek pitched is that the second option that you said where it's like okay. Instead of five days a week at eight hours a day. It's four days a week at ten hours a day. This the usual version. That i hear pitch to the four day work. I think that can make sense in a lot of circumstances but it sounds like it doesn't necessarily make sense in your circumstance at all. Because i feel like i kind of maybe already have my own version of this which is what less five days but work every day right right. Yeah as you were talking. I was just trying to think. I'm fairly sure. I did do a four day work week. Technically at one of the schools that i worked at. But that's not quite the same. Because i was a part time teacher there but i was like going in four days a week instead of going and five days a week and i do think for schools. If i was a fulltime teacher i would totally push for schools doing four days of ten hours a day rather than five days of eight hours a day. I want one hundred percent push for that kind of change. I think there's a lot of jobs where there would really be a huge benefit for people moving to a four day workweek. Not least getting rid of sort of fixed costs of going into work of your commute time and getting ready for the day time and lunch expenses and whatever so i would say as a general statement for most jobs in the economy i i would think. They probably almost all benefit from a four day workweek. But there's a just like you. There's totally a difference. When i think about myself and it's part of the reason when i made that weekend wednesday video like what i've found working worked for myself is over the years i realize like i. Just don't when i'm in a working groove. I don't really need a two day weekend like the two day weekend is sort of wasted on me. And that's why. Mike current working schedule is to do two days on an a day off and then three days on and then one day off and then repeat and that works super well for me like my god has been fantastic pandemic schedule but the flip side of that is even though i don't have regular weekends of series of two days off what i do like after sharks sometimes after big projects i just take a bunch of time off and i think there's a way in which that kinda balances out with the weekends of. Yes i'm working more consistently over the course of the year but i also don't do that indefinitely and there are times when i'll just take a bigger longer break after the completion of a project. So that's the way i feel like. That's the groove. That i've worked in into over these years of i like the more consistent work i feel like for me one day off. Every couple of days is is a much better working schedule. And i think in my current situation a four day workweek would be worse if i was trying to do all of the work in four days and take three days off like i just think that would be a terrible schedule for me in my current situation even though i think that is by default probably the best answer for most jobs in most of the economy for everyone else that shocks video that you've mentioned a few times that really does seem like took out of you look my this. There was a long brutal project. This has also been a very long. Wdc episode so very long. So i think it's time for some more texts so like we always say two times this all of this and more tags get more text dot com.

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Podcast #132 - Dreamin' Of A Game Night

Shut Up & Sit Down

53:00 min | 4 months ago

Podcast #132 - Dreamin' Of A Game Night

"Crowd hello and welcome to the very one hundred and thirty seconds. Shut up and sit down. Podcast podcast it's all about the board games joining me on this veritable. Odyssey of pod is the wonderful abe folks fort. Hello and almost wonderful. Whoa vinton smith. Whoa i disapprove of this. That one day you'll get that quinn's. I believe he did that again. Should we retake that. Shall i flatter you more in this intro. Don't need to do it again. Because i'm going to prove why i'm better than youtube because my feature on this podcast. I think will be the best feature tom. Would you like to explain to people what we're going to be doing on this. Most special of odyssey's of parts of this most special odyssey's of pod we're gonna be talking about our ideal imaginary or dreamed post covid board game nights. We will talk about what games we want to get to the table. When all this. I just like i just stipulated wildly to suggest the bigness of what this is is all over. When can we get run. A table games. Are we gonna play together. I thought this would be a really fun feature to do. I thought oh yeah dream board game nights. There's going to be a really cute thing i did. He do either of you to get kind of sad while doing this. Yes i got a bit sad. I also got a bit financially irresponsible. During the sorts of i would i wouldn't call it research but the the thinking about this segment. I may have bought some things right on impulse. hang on. you bought things in real life for this feature of what your imagine favorable given that would be. Is this preparation so that you can make this. You're imagining bordering my reality in future. Yeah yeah i go. I got so excited about the games that i wanted to play in real life. The i've played digitally and now wants pain realized that i bought those games going on is going to be good and added them to the pile of games. That sitting in my cupboard. That's like a big label says one day. Yeah i guess that's it. I guess this is kind of sad because after the year we've had it's been so wacky it's not like we can be truly sure that these dream boat game nights will actually happen and everything feels so influx right. Now it's like this feels less a feature about what we will. One day i do and more feature about what we hope we can do again. Yeah attending everyone's gonna get their ideal board game night in one night. But i'm hoping that we can extruder all of these games over multiple sessions until we have over time played the giga board game. Night i since. I've definitely got the thing that there's a lot of different games different game nights i wanna have like. There is a single answer to this question for me definitely like different groups and different experiences in different environments. I wanna play games in an order. That is really important man. I'm really excited about them and really sad not happening for a while but yet as does there's too many different ways in which i enjoy board game so i think i think i know what my like official answer is for the spy. Most i got like a couple of little side answers to like all say quite important to me. Say like ketamine me cry when they actually happen. Maybe slightly all quit teaching. When you're crying. No good concept that specifically to you about the way the way puts in this game are going to seem like you've got lots but you just don't go away so fast. I know you're talking about though because i would one possible onset of this for me would be like okay. My dream board game night is just twelve people coming over and we play blocks our for six hours. And that's it but that wasn't a particularly interesting answers. So i didn't. That's my answer which is a first top me me. Grins is hyped. His absurd up so much of it needs to be finale. My aunt is gonna be weird. Seven east coweta middle like a weird sandwich tom. Europe that's my okay In my ideal post covert board game nights. I have a trio of gains and these are games that maybe this isn't going to be the most because i also had lots of differences. I had onces which i'll get into later. There's like another answer for a different kind of game night. But this is the one that i settled on talking about which is themed loosely around games that i played on t s the one quite like they were games. I was like That's pretty good. But i want to get them to the real table. I want to pay them on the real table because thi s felt like a freaky way to play these games the first of those which is very funny because we actually talked about current and future podcast a lot just before we started recording is l. Guerande so i love. I love playing it. And i know i'll love it more real life but it highlights it a load of wit stuff about this year and about playing these talk about but briefly. I'll talk about what grandes i is so grandee. Is this very sort of pure area. Control game where each turn each round. You will use one of five actions different. Every time you flip these connie's give you different action to manipulate stuff on the board with and you will use his actions to some variation of placing or moving cubes on a map with the twist. Being that you have to place keeps in areas that are adjacent to the king. Which is this big piece that sits in a region on the table one action the always available is to move the king around the board and area that he is in will score extra points at the end of the round and of course at the end of each round majorities every area. We'll get you a variable number of points with the added twist that some areas like your home area are worth extra points. And then there's also this big tower called the custodio which instead of plopping troops elsewhere you can instead otter you can always opt to throw them into the casteel which gets lifted at the end of the round revealing all that it'll people hidden underneath like cartoon bugs under a cartoon sofa that will also school points And those people then get to go anywhere on the board to swing more regions to your side. So what you've got is a very sort of like tight. Crunchy area control game of moving cubes making decisions and there's also kind of cases also was an auction mechanic playing these cards to choose which action you get is sort of strange auction. It's an automatic of things but it's very much a very tight pure air control game. It's it's so good but playing in tabletop simulator. Made me realize a couple of things. I see like tabletop simulates. What makes games more legible sometimes quicker and sometimes easier act kind of a detriment and i think that also happened during power grid which we paid recently. So i might slip between those examples but these sorts of like bird's-eye all seeing angle of means. You often have perfect information. And you interface with the game as more of a video game and less of a board game by removing that engagement with the physicality and subsequent limitations of that medium. You have an experience. That's very different kind of almost incomplete. Yeah i really feel that with the because entitled simulator even ballgame arena. You've got the detached head that lets you float over to look at exactly what your friends are doing. And physical board games are all kind of designed within mind that you can't just like elbow your way into your friends chair and look down at one time doing and building. So that sort of naturally to decentralizes your friends personal play boards holdings from what you're thinking about and there's something we pay power grid as well recently and dip into that slightly example as well. Where in that game. I felt like there was no no one had any barrier to just jumping straight for the calculator like straight away your whipping the calculator out. And because you've got that viewpoint like what's important to you can be really far away and i think that's psychological aspect so in grandee right like way or sat round. The table might interfere with you. Want to actually like mass with just because it's closer to you and psychologically feel like it's yours whereas in tables associated with the camera the whole board suddenly becomes like as equally available as anywhere else because there's no tangible. Physical presence of everything is some accents. I think i think that's the thing where like games that you play online on the internet. For whatever reason they allow you to engage much more with the puzzle and allow you to look at. It is like this is all of the inputs. This is everything that's going on newsworthy pizzas hair and like all of that. Element of the game is not just present but magnified because you really can actually take the time especially if you're playing a synchronicity to like so for example hey for me it's like i've been playing innovation loads and when a pay invalid innovation table. I am surprised by what my opponent does. Whereas if you're playing online at you have time to read all of their cards. Every todd and check with so i dive into that the puzzle way mall and get to like really like into the crunch and i think this is. Why wave either this past year reviewing like crunchy puzzle year games a lot more favorably than we possibly have done an years previous because the things that are magnified better but something about l. Granada is a really solid puzzle and it is really interesting like people who are good and good at math thing out and seeing the board and seeing what. Everyone's doing wilty well. But it's a game of gave art departure. Isn't it like nudge in pushing and pick in grumpy when someone puts a saying down they put thing down you go. Oh you do. That's my becomes a competition like you lose by getting into that competition. But that's part of the thumb like that's part of the funniest building up these little weird rivalries where you end up like picking on someone or like not being able to take a slight from napoleon and all those things kinda pour into it and i you can do that on the internet but it is is not the same. It doesn't feel the same. Like i don't know did you. Can you can shout. And you can talk. But you can't l. By someone you like dramatically stanford piece onto the boards econ physical altercations to come back into your board game a little bit like no to be. I don't actually do violence to anyone. You're playing games with on the incident in person. Ni- i don't i don't really mean actually elbowing someone but i mean dyke looking like you're going. I'll admit right now. Something i do that. I think is allowed in my case. Get spirited if someone does something really mean to me in a euro game where you have a lot of bits and pieces that yours personally in front of you like you know a nebraska wyoming little piles of factories things. If you do something horrible to me. I might reach over with one finger very slowly and just like smear. You'll nicely organized plan and i think that's fine but that that's sort of liberalisation of art you do think is allowed all of france's in lofty observations about grounded. Hey tom in your perfect board game night. here's why. I think you'll be ready delighted by when you play grounding in real life the board bigger than you expect. It was a sort of poorly compressed peg. When make me feel like i was there. Here's another thing you'll learn when you're sat in front of the real physical boards the artifact thing is is still not perfect brilliant. You know side. I the other thing is about it. If you're edition is old enough. The castle made if would. Oh we'll talk about another time. Maybe but i wanted to talk about cassia because that was also depressing tabletop city data because there was no way that you could lift the up and look underneath and all the cubes spilling out and it being this big moment instead you just pull cubes out one time by tracking a. It's just not good. It's just not good and eat like that brought me to another song weird realization about tabletop simulator. Where the best ones try that. Best the thing. That's nice nicer about tabletop. Simulator and isn't present in ballgame reader and table. Topi it to some extent is that they emulate like the game feel and you brought this up in your in your hands review queens sorting cubes onto that board and hence chanaka. I can only imagine what that feels like doing. My hands on review was so dumb. So i did a video review this couple of weeks ago and we mostly did our plato entirely that apply testing on on table. Topiary brother so. I had the bizarre experience before i wrote my script of sitting in front of a physical copy of hansard alone and doing all the things you do on the internet. Like pick-up accu- put it on route to see how it fell. Was like a vitally important. Part of the review process and taught me that placing cubes is great across. The board is great but also let me to weed realization that ties into this conversation about. How did you get a game that benefits from having a board that smaller than you expect. L. grandy benefits for having a bigger than you expect. I think he me out. The best boards in board games are either bit too big or too small and in between is like no-man's-land don't do is the most ludicrous thing. I have heard you but you know you know you want enough now. Tom you saying that will mean i will now be looking for opportunities to prove that point for the next nine years is perfect. Game night will mostly be showing series of boards arguing for the cases for the aver. Listen to games. I choose to play it. We'll talk about later. I board game night. One has a board. That's way too big and the other has a board this non existent. So you'll see you'll see so. I'll move onto the because i had three games i want to talk about. I'm gonna solve crunch the last two into one little thing. Because i'm aware that people have a finite amount of time in this board game night so we're going to compress the time spent talking about as will the time spent playing. We talked about this cable. Another podcast but i wanted to briefly. Say that. I'd like to pay this it. Real life vampire vendetta. Vampires scrape vendetta we. It's a lovely of bluffing lobby card game that we talked about few parkas ago and i think it's really really neat but it definitely needs in person and we talked about that during the podcast because kagame's in a kind of great. We talked about the length. You can go back to that podcast if you want to hear thoughts on that game. I think it's combination of the text on the cards. Managing your hand of cards is kind of slow and crucially. Not seeing a person. Actually playing card is kind of huge. You don't have that feeling of someone putting on the table and everyone sort of craning their necks going. Ooh or something like that or looking at someone looking at cards and looking at the table looking back and thinking what are they thinking as not present instead. You just got compress. J. peg of matt's face hovering over the tape horrifying and bam also has links of bluffing which in were calculated variables rather than emotive impulses and it says each apply high play the so many factors that make vampire data again. I really wanna play in person. However the loss game. I want to talk about is a combination of both of these. Things is a combination of a physical board. That i want to touch my hands manipulate things with anna card game that doesn't carry in t t s. Maybe i'll maybe we should do a fun bit where i asked you to guess fame fayoum despite them have cards and i have. I college board though anymore guesses cards and the board and it doesn't work. It's not the defensive christiane every game ever worked for you know the game that i really really want to play. This is more than else is inish. You haven't played initial irl with the seasons of inish expansion or yeah oh god the thing is in this expansion arrived just just before lockdown hat and it didn't get a chance to get it to disable blah that game. You convince the entire game of the base game and the expansion into the expansion box thing in the universe and no oh god abor. That's great news. Because i literally ordered both just before this podcast i have played inish before in person but i've had a board game cafe and i learned the rules like while we were sitting around the table and it was too warm. I had really sickly sweet side of that. Made me feel like i was having a heart. Attack wasn't ideal conditions under which play inish. But i was thinking about it and it has that. It's i haven't even tried to play tabletop simulates because it will be this unholy combination of those two factors that will make me sad rather than happy to play it. It's called hands of cards that you have to constantly pass around and it's area control where you move things around that just won't be as satisfying in table. Simulator also has a board that is slightly larger than it needs to be will it can be bigger than it needs to be or it can be smaller because you build the borders. You go so maybe it fits into both egypt. Egypt always tiles is way bigger than so. You've got a tiny board and you're somehow playing the game with just three of those tiles. Noah's numerous clips don't you. Which is the guy who like a really expands to take up more type of an. It's possible to have and that's not good. That's not good will ignore that while we'll sweep that under the rug but the also briefly talk about what seasons finish adds a and why i think it will be extra exciting to play it in person seasons. Finish ads this. We want a king variant to the normal game which really made me chuckle. Because i read the rulebook early the see what added before hitting that big purchase button. Basically the we want to king vary is a normal game of inish if the brand is among the tied players then you flip the we want a king tile over to the we need a king if no player meets the victory conditions. The bren wins just being the brennan. The brand being the first player. And if the brent isn't among the tied players than the players share the win which is like completely flipping the way the inish works on its head because it souls initials king-making problem which i think some people don't think is a problem. Some people do and i don't know where i stand. Stand on that after one game but it still sounds so exciting having this system where players will share a victory in this sort of like because you can also scale up to five players as well so it sounds really interesting and it's also load of other little mini expansion. Some new cards and tiles of player latte so. That is the game that i wanna play my game night. That trio of games strap in the long one so it's l. grandma vendetta in sh- would finish it. Strong it's a strong night is solid. Yeah strong nights drone. You'll notice that aren't using words like fantastical luminary. We've said strong and solid because the boards are all exactly the right side. Well you're trying to make fun of me. But i don't think it's working i think is smaller and is grandpa is bigger definitely bigger. They were bunch of other games. I'm excited to play person. I've been like saving up. Like etan is something that arrived way before long time ago and that's sort of strange thing that needs like minimum like four six players when it comes out that's something that will take up an entire game not. I'm so excited to play. That fire. them is still game. I wanna play physically in person because those wooden bits sound so nice. It's really lovely. Really lovely they were really sorry. I'm interrupting you just to tell you you're right. And the scenario complements pre master. And that's my that was my. I feel like i've just rambled but i've just got so many games i want to play and that's sad and so great it's good. It's good because what this means is that yes. This year has been very difficult for our staff because playing games online is hard and we have been able to spend time together. But it's great that we're all so excited by all these games so that we're coming out of the year we're not gonna be tired. We're going to be enthusiastic. Going to be hype. Play some games. Not all of them can be good. That's going to be a heartbreaking realization. That sorta come aver. Would you like to walk the people at home through your dream board game nights right side dream boat game night is just a wanna cook for people. I wanna put music on for people. And i want to just sit back with people like care about play. Something good right. That's what i really. What's the most important thing going to come back to that day because as what is doing not like there's a couple of things like my first instinct events is for this question. We're actually well. One of them was like genoa or libra. A ride. That a lockdown stidham. Uk like it came in repackage and so it was the first game die kind of go opened up at the manual knowing. I wasn't going to be able to play for some indeterminate amount of time. And so there's part of me. That's just like off i wanted to is. I want to get that game to detail. Figure out how on earth wax. This is an event rosenberg game. That has a resource will thing similar to what in glass road every turn resources will build up a little bit and whenever you grabbed them reset them two zero and take that many things but it's kind of sharing between you The haver push luckily. Anyway it's about monks in france. all islands. what you've got you've got to variance in the game nike's card expansion effectively inside the all of the cards double sided and you could either play the frontside or the island side which changes how much whiskey. I remember what the other thing is. that's annoying it's gotta be wine. It's called me. I'm going to check if you're checking something to check something else. That just kept to make what you looking detected a. This is my favorite section for podcast. Many that i've noticed that in every single edit as nice pause where someone google something never on just relax. It feels like well. Yeah a little bit and it was like actually definitely making theme song for him but in one day. Oh that's a great idea. You please do that tom. Why is just such for that. I had a huge very important realization. So people might not know this. Just now. it's the second edition of classic board game. Great west trail a game of managing cows. They've announced the second edition will actually be a trilogy of standalone games. So in twenty twenty two. We'll get great. What's condition twenty. Twenty three they'll be great in argentina sent argentina and then in two twenty twenty four million miles away when we'll all be wearing laser shoes. They've announced great western trail new zealand. And while abe was talking about libor. I just realized great western trail new zealand isn't going to be about cows. It's going to be about sheep. it's going to be building deck of different sheep species. I am so excited. And i have to wait three years now. That is the kind of revolutionary. Th we need in board games means that my game collection can include not one but two games about sheet management because shepherds. It's a big fans of lowlands. And i think the only people in the world you'd like that game but i think it's awesome. I was thinking speaking of sort of like dry games about collecting animals and etcetera. Who am i kidding. That sounds amazing. Doesn't sound collecting animals. They can be your best friends and you own them. Great and if you get hungry and eat them and eat them and wear them anyway. I was thinking that maybe my game not should've just been one massive game of feast. Foden because i did get quite excited about that. After hearing it's like a sunday afternoon game well does that mean. That quinn's won the podcast. I'm more excited about this fuel. It's wake quincy's game. now understood. We agreed on like quince. Got past and now. He's ready to glad that. I didn't have to talk about tom. It would be a pleasure for me to on some lazy sunday afternoon after lockdown as over to walk you through a long slow game of these roden with the norwegians expansion so you can have a whole outfits really well to. I wanna put some music on. Put some food. Autumn plant a long long long game. Because you could definitely a chilly midway through a game a-this furrowed and you're faced is longer than it is. It's just bigger than right to be. It's like not necessarily that law thing when you described it as a game you described it as as a combination of a day and a time span rug you know i that yeah i can see. I can see where you got confused. Because it's i call it a sunday afternoon game now. An afternoon is not necessarily longer than a game night. It just creates a distinction in the afternoon. I'm a bit more like chilled out. And i of this out right ireland's if you play the island variant. You get to have a whiskey and you get to cry whiskey and drink it if you play in france though you get post wine. And brad's i don't have either of those things that island. No you don't have either things island. You just have whiskey. It's just that about whiskey. And pete by for them have pete. This is the game that uses pete more than any game. I've ever seen him anyway. I call it when he talked about it. I can't tell you whether it's good. It's been something that's like on my list of things. I wanted to try since. I played gas road and was like i really like this. Oh you should try. Borat couldn't get a copy of it a tool size and finding a reprint preowned. The reprint it landed as lockdown star. It and i just wanna there's just something about like playing that is going to be like for me a big like it's not over but it's like i know that the world is going to be changed forever by this stuff at night is going to be saying are going to be with for a long time but it will be a bit of closure for me. I think yes. I want to do that. It's not really my perfect game night. It might be like i've looked through. I've read the manual twice now and genuinely doug entirely understand large chunks of it it's It's it's it's tiny. Got lots of writing on them. And there's lots of things about that. I'm not recommending this but i'm saying for me my first game night back is a good chance. They're going to be convinced people to play or libra however going in another direction like obviously and similar. Because it's like what arrives. Jerry lockdown that like. I am most hype for mice excited for and what. What was the only game that got cancelled. I had games cancelled as a result of the lockdown. Because i had them planned a. I didn't happen. Obviously it's twilight imperium big expansion. Which means that. I can be pink. And i just like. That's going to be one of the first big things i organize is like people coming over for a day me going somewhere with a big box strapped to my back We can apply. Carla imperium with greek of people played with the full. And it's gonna be it's gonna be like a big release a huge game Loved of weird fiddly extra rules. I'm not sure. What actually add anything. But like i do want to try the expansion eva. I'm not trying to. I literally am trying to poke holes in this So you're going to cook for people and then they'll will be taller experience with the expansion. Nine nine nine nine will cook for people for that. I'll make a big load of light of students sleep the night before said got something for lunch. But this is okay. This isn't this isn't my perfect game night. Zing is perfect You'll see why i'm doing this. Slow prelude and these weird bets minute. The other thing that i want to do so said big game night of say because i beg ridiculous i am sorry i want back to the pop like i don't drink but being in the pub with honestly with people don't always know that well like we had a pop group in the town. I live in And i went there and it was part of the routine to just be there. Play a couple of games and just do something. This full people who i've been playing games ways from not grape. Every pretty much every wednesday for the last year said some of the people. I've seen the most this year outside of shop and sit down and my other job. I wanna put causes tuscany in front them of them because we played causes a burgundy so many times and i want to see what they make. I think they're going to like it as much. But it's going to be there and then that's going to be a nice quick game so after that we can get everybody who comes to pop in for massive game of wavelengths and is going to be a country year. I then expand out and just like sit with a group of strangers potentially who knows who will come no knowing it will be getting to say what i am going to be in tears the whole night. 'cause it's just going to like falling back into that thing kite right so that's but that you know what those three nights they will important to me like to have to people that are really important to be particularly in the twilight imperium grape really really looking forward to that is can it be great however the perfect game night. I'm going to my career lovely food. I'm going to make something really something. I can get prepared. Beforehand doesn't take much effort to do under thing. Said assumes people arrive. We can say we can chat. I'm gonna get asti. I'm gonna put it on the table. I am going to make some really lovely rice with my rice cooker or gray. I'm gonna put some nice music in the background. It's going to be my get through playlist with my way of dealing with anxiety in life by displaying. Really lovely lovely lovely choose just going put not quite in the background and i'm going to sit down with four people. I care incredibly deeply about and we're gonna play the crew for about ten hours gonna play until the middle of the night and i'll say that's it. That's all i wanted to. I don't wanna play the game of doing a play those games. Obviously i listed like five games already. I just want to sit with people and just play that little coop card game. The apply just before lockdown and. It's just great and it's decided table qods people laughs. You pause every now and then you can catch up. You can keep on doing as many missions is. We can win all love each other a bit more in each other a bit boys. It's time goes on and just yeah. Yeah it's just a perfect thing for that. Particular situation like a an olive raved about a couple of times on the podcast already but nyc is very specifically like that is the failing. I wanna get with the people who i miss the most. The maimon is sat around a table playing a simple card game. And just keep it on gavin until a half. The people were drunk. And everyone's like knock it and we just like. Yeah i don vast is going to be affect his why. I like that answer because what we're not getting this year with lockdown and covert. Is that experience of being sat with people around a table. At home that homeliness that socialness and to some extent putting a big heavy complicated board game in front of people is only going to get in the way of that experience. Like i love heavy games but the focus of heavy games is the heavy game. And we've had heavy games this year. We haven't had warps. So i think that's a really cool answer. Is your answer cola. yeah yeah obviously. Hey we go. Okay so my perfect mode game night if i could have any particular board game night now. Here's what it would be pitcher. The scene youtube pitcher in the scene. You haven't given us anything to picture yet. Quint's i've only and ready to be filled with seen. Did you hear what tom just said. Tom explained exactly that he was doing what i requested. So stupid now. Yeah who's at the dole out. The doorbell rings. Here's the door. It's team shut up and sit down home. it's either it's matt. There's also two other people which i'll get to later but it's you three and why. Why would my gym game night in bellevue three. Well it's because really really like playing games with you three but also it's also the you would approach games the same way. I can speak my mind. When i'm playing with games with people who also worked for the site but to play board game nights a kind of do a lot of those i do a lot of three ply ball game nights a lot of flab game nights as soon as you get some more than four players though things to get really special because i don't play five playable game nights that often six or seven players eight. Those are like rare and more memorable so this team showed up is down the editorial seen us four of us and then there's two more people at my door so that brings us up to six people. Okay also very important here. You all arrive at the same time. So there's not like oh so people coming in off some people if they want to drink like six discrete moments. In the night everyone arrives at the same time. Get everyone bay abuse. I liked this. All of us have been in the left on the way up. And we've all done are highlighted. Said when we come in all of the focus is on you know. I mean i don't want to focus. I want to focus on the game people to show up. You've socialized on your way over your. You've all excited to play games then. I just conserve drinks quickly. I've got you something something. Sugared like super sugary hype top. Okay great great. Great whatever you want. I've got. I've got my host points from like everyone's beverages not to think about hosting because i actually hosting makes me super anxious. I hate cooking for people. Even though i'm not bad at it because it's just a trick if my anxiety so if people are coming over to my house and i do like i want to just be able to provide the drinks and everyone needs and they're not thinking about it and know that everyone's kind of wanted 'cause i don't enjoy that i actually really done on the come to realize about myself. So what are we play. We're gonna apply three verses three game of memoir forty four overload. Oh i if people coming yet. Comfortable right i. I thought about this for a long time. So if people unaware memoir forty four is a classic world war two game but not the kind of heavy simulation escape the a big fan of but like almost like a family game like a game with just like six pages of rules put up by days of wonder with little plastic men and little plastic tanks under charge around at map of acts against and the thing that makes me more forty four so frustrating in weird and wonderful. Is that the orders you can give to your team. Come from a hand of cards that you have very little control over so you might have hand. That's like entirely out move up down the left. Flank or honor assaults. But you have no ability to move people in middle of the right of the boards and that is a nightmare. Your opponent doesn't know that you can't do that so it's a game of adapting it means. It's a very tense game. We'll dice rolling and it's frighteningly clever but it's also very goofy and random and and and sort of like a has a lot of moments where you get high carb vine of accomplish leave. You've done this. It's it's it's very much a game of memoir forty four overlord however something different. It turns memo forty four from to play a game into team versus team game. I'm the overlord packs fantastic. There are just these paper literally paper boards that you roll out that i like about five feet wides so the board hasn't gotten any deeper but it's gotten four times as white and then you also in a row so it's in off in my dream board game night. It's three three. So everyone is playing memoir. Forty four against the person sat opposite them and only the passenger opposite them. Because you only have control over your little strip of the board but you can send units that you control over the border to the right or left to your friends to support them if they really need it. It's a fascinating social dynamic. And i think the thing the as we go through the evening. It's it's it's. That's what i really crave right now. It's the social side of things. It's the silly side of things and more forty. Four overlord is a is it creates so many fascinating we'd relationships because you're having a deal against the person opposite you that no one else at the table understands you have teammates but they're kind of separate from you and then you have who. Your teammates are fighting. Who have players at the table. You literally do not interact with ever any point. And i love the in western empires. I love games. That are so big that there are players who i do. Interact with because it to me. Creates this magical sense that the game is part of is bigger than i can comprehend. That's when i'd stop throwing around. Words like epic is if there are players who i don't talk to. Nothing sounds more epic than not talking. Something thomas blessed can you imagine anyway so but the thing about remember forty four overlord is. It doesn't necessarily long so that's just a couple of hours and it's also not such a heavy game that it went. Burn us out. So then what. Can you do with six players. And i love answering this question if i have that replica out of six or seven or eight players. That's such a good question because it really doesn't come along very often. I thought six plays dream boat game night. His what we're gonna play next team based 'cause mic encounter. The this is something. I haven't even played that was introduced in one of the expansions of fascinating and weird and wonderful game of aliens fighting with cards cosmic encounter. I won't get into the pacific. Cosmic is but one of the expansion to introduce a team variant so that you can try to six play. Game ornate play a game which is traditionally exit of where the wheels come with cosmic into tv. Two and i want to try that and also because this this board game night is happening. In the realm of my imagination. I can avoid the problem with cosmic which is one player around the table not knowing how to play and that band jiaxing the entire experience because in in my dream i ask now. We finished four rolled up the board and put it away and i won and then sites people. Hey what if we played cosmic you all know how to cosmic right and five people at the same time go. Yes quinn's we would love to play 'cause man of the image dots like the. What was the name. Yeah a sexist. Good have five ever told you play cosmic encounter. I know i know goodness okay. And then often of the memo forty four being counter now at this point everyone is doing also paul my decision making process forty four overload a game that hangs together if people drinking during it cosmic encounter game that hangs together if people are drunk by the time they arrive at. Because it's so unfair with then after that we are all either tired or drunk or on some kind of crazy sugar crash so then at like midnight. People look at me and go are queens. We should probably go then. I say what you could leave. Or and then. I take the leaves off of my gaming tables to reveal the red felt underneath and my i'm claes partnerships from raucously and a decades cards that i haven't even played with yet a vanilla new break in the deck cards and i'll say we could just play some cards and put like five ten to play cards for money but not much money not enough money. That actual feelings gonna be hot but enough money to transfer. It's so weird you to like to play card games for even a small amount of money like okay. I lost like you might lose. A maximum of four pounds is so transformative for how kagame's feel to play In a way that. I've not yet not yet able to put my finger on. But if any psychologists or listen to this and want to leave me a comment teaching me why kagame's feel so immediately different even if you're applying for pennies. I would love to know the us to that now backing in mind. The entirety of team shot up. It's down here so we can't play polka. Because i can't how big of a problem this is matt now can tell when i'm lying. It's genuinely like it's a real problem. We played matt. And i had to be put in separate games because it's it's it's truly disastrous and worse. I don't know how he knows. Is it one way. It's entirely a one way street. It's not familiar enough with each other. You know each other's towels has analyzed you over many years and has now got the measure of you sufficiently that he can see through any lie that you throw him well not quite i mean yes he sees through the lies but what makes it extra infuriates. Many is all the time but he also thinks when i'm telling the truth about half the time he thinks lying as well so we can tell when you're lying no he catches one hundred percent of the lies and twenty five percent of the truth the also categorizes lice. Okay which is infinitely more infuriating because it means if applying the resistance in the clock. Tower away wolf. And i'm telling the truth. He sometimes still thinks i'm lying which still ruins the game anyway. So horrible for that reason. The end of my dream boat game night. We can't play. We cut out actually. Yeah off for two reasons stuff. Now we find out. Why is an in this podcast quits can kick him out of his perfect game. Two good reasons first off. I don't kick him out. He chooses to leave at that point. Because that's the concentrate. I'm sorry but him. Leaving is convenient. It enables us to play poker drugs the pair down from six players down to five which means we can play prisco tequilla amata which is terrific. Taking game with a hidden role. But i believe you can only play with five sorry Yeah i see. I wanna be a card game by a series of videos is enough to happen in real life at some point points. I really i would love to bring back games. The done suck but the problem with doing that feature on saddam was that it really got in the way of my ballgame. Kagame play testing. Because like i've got a finely honed board game group down here in brighton but none of them have soup thrilled. If i'm like. Hey we kept by a cool expensive new board game or i could teach another trick taking game for an hour. What do you think of madrid board game night. That's okay good. I definitely do. Actually i do want to talk. That'd be wrong. I definitely do when a guy like they hang out much. Tickets tickets nine nine nine pounds nine nine nine pounds. Yes no tickets. Are free tickets a free and all by all the bible the alcohol for the evening. That's something i do always do the. I really can't be bothered with like avery. The at that you want to cook people is awesome. I wish i was like that. But because that stresses me out I get my mind's is he paying for the booze before we will get there. Which means that. I can feel like i've i've done. Okay i try and find out what what booze and drinks like as well to ought to get drinks in specifically for them is really sweet but is that that is a good. That's also a good hosting hack. Actually what the simplest thing you can do people will almost always bring snacks. Have you can provide a decent drinks cop a good range of teas and not is no. That spoke beverage is just make a just as i don't actually have access to anymore because of brexit but i will just be making a couple of giant pots of the best in the world which will be my drink. Solution games not You know if we're talking about dream boat game nights and brexit. I will say shout out to all the shot up on listeners. Who are in europe Because oh not even europe really but certainly europe in kind of the world but some of my happiest memories have been going to board game conventions or traveling for work and getting to play board games with europeans. Because i don't know why but when you go to boarding conventions in europe often people from different countries and different european nationalities. Making fun of each other is one of the things that makes me laugh harder than give you have a get around a table. With a bunch of scandinavians like someone from denmark sweden norway and they all start making fun of each other for stereotypical national things. I will be crying laughing. I love that so much really really. I felt like it's terrible that we've left the acceptable international dances own everything. That's the same way. If i make fun of a french person often. That's another thing brexit's taken from us. I mean i feel like it was always pop schengen rarely-paid anyway did you take me to include shangen joke tom. Sorry i didn't understand. I didn't understand it either shangen now. We're keeping the shangen. Okay but can you explain the zone. It must be for one person to get and one person alone in the comments will be sitting here right now guy now. That's a good schengen joke. It's just like just like the year it being able to take the savage the quiet you could hear it in like that brand is actually always being outside of thought. Because we're not. We're not parv and it's not actually schengen because the swiss can get in on it too switzer party but not schengen ali. Khan remember yeah. Are you part of the landmass. All yes i'd like to which scandinavia gets away with it. Because there is that bridge connecting sweden and denmark. So it's all kind of one big thing. I miss europe. I i love europeans already. Do if you're a european. Listen to this i miss you. I love you and on that note. Enjoying if you've been enjoying the opposite of podcast recently we've actually been getting a lot of really nice comments. i think it's okay to reveal. The tom has taken control of the pod rains and has been sort of managing the doing some extra time hours and love into making it better and people have been saying. They really liked the discussion of history in the carnegie episode. Awhile back tom me talking about running. It's here's a great designer and the last few episodes and if you to have felt that the shut up and sit down has been getting a bit better recently. We would like to ask you a favor. It's been a while since we've really put out a call to do this but if you want to reward us for doing our best to make this more pleasant listening experience we would love a review on whatever platform you. Listen to the podcast on doesn't have to be a long review can contain whatever words one can contain Now that especially the sort of the extent of what it can contain bought. It would make a large difference to us because it would help us got the entertainment podcast and that would help us to reach new listeners. So if you fancy doing that we would really really appreciate it. I think that the thing that we have demonstrated today is that we already want to play board games and board games lovely because the thing that is wonderful about them and they are still doing this. Jimmy pandemic you know. I've been able to stay in touch with people because of be able to say that. Hey you wanna display about game. And i've got to meet new groups and like hang out with some people learn new games and do all of these things but i all my word. I can't write for board games to do what they are made for. Which is gang a bunch of people around a table laughing and laughing and laughing. I it's going to be great. It's going to be gripe. I missed you guys. I'm really sorry that i didn't explicitly invite you to any of my board game nights that was you got me at the beginning i was like. Oh no he's actually inviting all suck thought we would but yeah i think i think i call him white board game nights this is. This is the thing. All of these nights can happen. All of these games that can happen. And we're all going to get us to see each other again and not be with each other and laughing and like ace terribly sides because sometimes are going to have people as a result of this a not going to be truly deeply heartbreaking. So that's the position you man. I'm so sorry but like we need each other where people where humans we want to be connected to each other. We wanna see each other. We want to belong and games can help that and i think that we were gonna have some really really beautiful board game nights in a future that will about wrap up for this spicy hundred thirty second episode of the shut up and sit down pod. Oh my god. 'cause i'm just pins thinking about these four kms enough. Just been so emotional. We will be back next week. Talk about more board games. I think we're going to have just a little teaser for you. We're gonna talk about some old crusty euro game switch is going to be good fun to take us down from this very emotional peak. We're going to have a nice dry trough to well. You know what we spent this whole episode. Talking about games that we apply. I can't wait to play. But i guess the white disease next episode is going to be talking about games that you can only play from the comfort of your true games. You can play online now. That's the theme. I hope it's the theme if we change the scheduling this episode bork. See now have a lovely week and because we normally release on friday have a lovely weekend everybody and see or hear or speak to you. Wow i watched this very senior.

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041  A year of Game Design and Podcasting in Review

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22:49 min | 1 year ago

041 A year of Game Design and Podcasting in Review

"Hello Fellow adventurers and welcome back to the lab where we transform our gaming patient into incredible game designs and learn how to nerd like a boss. My name is Mavin and I am ambitious game designer on my quest to develop up a cooperative fantasy card game for this podcast. My vision is to take you with me on this exciting journey together. We will explore the secrets of different game mechanics and reach the next level. Ask a game designer. The topic for today's episode is a bit unusual Because the time between the years is usually a bit more quiet wii than usual and I used that time to review my last year And I did that for Bose my rose as has a game designer and as a podcast and I would like to use the show today to show was used some insides of the last year the the highlights and also the pitfalls and derive some goals twenty twenty from them. If you also want to set your goals for twenty twenty I I recommend you listened to episode eight of the NERD lap about goal setting in this episode. I described my process of setting goals. One part of this process of setting and achieving goals is also sometimes taking the time to review what you have achieved left and maybe what kind of goes you have missed. And why and that is what I did this week and As I said I distinguish tinged between my Different roles that I have one role for example is my My role at the father and another one is my role as a husband but The ones I want to talk about today. are my rose as game designer and podcast and I'm going to start with Moralas podcast. In the last year I recorded a forty episodes and I'm proud of that of course but it is not exactly what I wanted to chief More on that later. But from this forty episodes I learned a lot The deep dive episodes about certain mechanics For example hut me to really learn more about these topics. And also the the interviews. Really helped me to broaden my horizon considerably. It was a great honor for me to talk to so many incredible game designers that had so many successes with their games And and it was a pleasure to to really pick their brains and learn how they Really approach game design and I really hope that it was also very helpful for us. Listless some of the episodes that I really enjoyed were My deep dive episodes For example episode forty about keywords instead she caught Games That was extremely rewarding for myself and it helped me a lot in my own. Game design endeavors whatever's an appreciable create more content round keywords in the future we'll also the episodes twenty eight twenty nine and thirty About Drafting Games were also extremely fun. And because I really explored new drafting games on the way and a really really dive deep into this topic. of drafting. That was also I opening for me to see so many similarities between those games and Also the kind of special ruled that each game tried to add on top of those common set off routes The highlight of of course also episode twenty two in this episode. I asked incredibly successful game designers like Richard. Gough you chamie stake my or reineck needs what the most important thing is. They wanted to know when they start their journey as a game designer and they answers were incredible and Yeah as mentioned wasn't unbelievable. Honor for me to talk to those those people and Yeah a convinced some of them to record a full full episodes with me. And I'm pretty sure that I will record some more episodes with designers from from this list in the future as well one reason why I want to do that is because because those episodes were incredibly successful Was We got to downloads. Because of course there's a large fan base for games like gloom haven spirit island Eh Dell or yawns end So the interviews with Isaac Children's Eric. Ross James Wilson or Kevin Riley have been last for me me and also for business. I got a lot of great feedback for those episodes. So this is something that I will Continue within the future of course I have have made contact with incredible people and I feel more and more like a part of the community already And by that I don't only mean the successful successful and well known designer interview for the PODCAST But especially you listeners. I'm happy to answer. Every email or message via social media media channels and walls just awesome to receive so much feedback from you guys And to see how much we have in common we are so many like minded people and I really want to do everything in my power to create a community in which we all learn from each other. And that's Twi. I've also set up a a discourse of this year to connect us even better to be honest. I'm not yet so impressed with the medium discord for that purpose. I am especially because you can't really structure topics and discussions Could do it in a forum for example So maybe I will set up a forum. Soon to replace the dischord but I'm still convinced that we can benefit infinitely if we support support each other on the one hand by solving tricky design challenges on the other hand by just sharing our kickstarter campaigns pains With our social media or even share all social media posts And maybe building a common mailing list because our target group job is pretty similar from what I've seen so far. The podcast also helped me to to build a mastermind group. We meet weekly in discord and talk for at least an hour about our goals. Our successes and failures The great thing is that we now really know what the others are working on and we really take the time to dive deep into topics. The advice from the Croup is extremely valuable for me And it is completely different from the kind of advice that you get from. Let's say a facebook group with a hundred thousands ends of participants because the people just don't take the time to to read your entire rules for example But in our Muslim and group that is absolutely common and we also Plan for this year to play test. Our Games Digitally on tabletop simulator. Role Twenty twenty or whatever suits our our needs best in that case if you want to to join our discounts over You you can find it by searching for not lab or just follow the links in the show notes. If you're interested in creating a mastermind crew there we will will help you to set it up and to To start a crew with with like minded people as well but the PODCAST was not all success overall. I definitely missed consistency a little bit. I did not publish an episode every week as I plant And then the summer summer there was even a bigger gap of several weeks Without a single not let this also had a significant effect on The number of listeners downloads. That's also why I- Inbetween often question myself. It was if it was worth continuing the podcast. I mean the time. Investment is extreme for one of my deep dive shows for example like easily put twenty hours of preparation time into into it That is time that I do not have of course for my game design endeavors and in addition to the podcast costs me money instead of making any money. I mean I had to buy all the initial equipment And I have to pay for the monthly hosting hosting fees and Sometimes for the for the effort hasn't make for the shows and so far no monetization is insight but when I thought about quitting the podcast I remember that create feedback that I got from you and it also gave me back So much this year or the last year that I really want to continue the podcast and I want to continue to build this great relationships with all of you for the podcast. My goals for twenty twenty really are to publish one show per week so I want to want to publish your show every Monday in twenty twenty eighty and Yeah if if you open your podcast APP and don't see an episode from the nut lab on Monday reach out to me Keep me accountable and put some pressure on me so that I will put up that that episode and of course I also want to increase increase the number of listeners and in order to do so I want to be a little bit more active in the in all of the groups out. They're the communities. Are there on added on game on facebook and If you want to to help to increase the number of downloads and listeners you can easily give back by Writing a review on itunes for example or Yeah just by recommending the show to to someone you we know that might be interested in the in the topics that That I present when it comes to game design. I have worked mainly on two different Broderick's last year. The first one is my adventure fantasy card game on which I spend the first nine month last year. A lot of time and effort was put into the game to to get it where road is at the moment I created several characteristics and a combat system. An enemy is the system and to let allows me For creating diversified quests and telling the narrative that is very well connected with the other game mechanics canucks. I played the game several times and made my adjustments and interrelations based on the feedback. I got from the latest. I I really really liked the enemy of the game and the storytelling aspect but I think it could be improved when it comes to The character decks and the overall flow of the game. The main challenges. I I have with the game Brian's tension duration Shen and character progression. What I mean by that is that the game could become a bit more consistent Lack place a bit too much of of a of a role at the moment Especially when it comes to the initiative for that has a big influence on how combat turned out and increased variety a little. Bit Too much for my for my feeling and Also some situations during the quest that Where there was not enough tension in the game? Some sometimes oblivious didn't see a reason to protest the quest independently And so they used the time to fully heal the characters instead of pushing the quest for what for example so I need some kind of mechanic that Yeah that pushes. The game forward independently of what the players. The game play itself could be a bit simpler and faster but We already had a lot of fun while playing with the campaign and And that is where the game is at the moment. I'm one more thing that I think that could be improved is the character broke Russian and that is still a little bit work in progress. Chris for me Because I find it very difficult to find the sweet spot of progressing or building building a deck through a campaign. So how many cards do you adjust after each quest if you look at deck builders for example they changed the deck really really rapidly during a game and if you look at the And other adventure card games for example they only add one. Maybe two WHO cards. So they're the truth for my game is probably in the middle but I still need to find that sweet spot. Yeah that may sound like a lot of defects in my game but Most of them really are like a little little defect that can be solved by by tweaking and and do not need to to be completely changed. I would say altogether. I'm very convinced that this game is at a very good spot to be developed further. Would I really liked the game and I really. I will work on it definitely in the future. The only reason why I'm currently not working on it is is that I had a different idea for another game last fall. And as you know new is always better and more exciting So why the adventure. Kagame really is a long-term project will mean the scope of the new idea was much smaller. the idea is to create a Trafton game based around the concept of the auto chest zora which was a very hyped Online game topic in two thousand nineteen eighteen and because this topic was Hot In one thousand nine hundred I thought it would be very important to make brokers with this game rather rather soon because Yeah Market attention is they are at the moment and there might be other people working on similar games. Sold goal really is to To get this game up to To kick start as soon as possible. Michael Wass to To really create a gaming experience that feels like a magic the gathering draft but played more like a game of auditors. In which you you do not control the actions of the heroes directly the communist Dan Automatically and who wins is determined by Housing Chadwick. Take your team. Combination is and how you chose to position your heroes. The focus is really on the drafting part And finding finding the synergies between the heroes over several drafting rounds your team will evolve and become stronger and stronger. The the fun in this game comes from four different areas am the first one is team composition. You should get some kind of feeling of achievement and when you find the missing pieces for your team composition contract you should also feel some kind of clever when you identify open strategies strategies during the draft. And you should have the feeling of discovery when a new team. Compositions are found and Should also be a risk reward feeling by My going for the less reliable cod combos during the the second area where the fun should come from is from positioning and deploying the characters. You should get some kind of feeling clever when your positioning Xinning is working and effective and maybe even better than the positioning of your of your point and Yeah I'm working on some aspect aspect that allow you to change the static combat situations With a little bit more Blair control some kind of Spells or combat modifications. The third area of fun is tactic. You should few clever when your strategy the Works and also when you are able to anticipate your opponents and respond. Accordingly that can be done by I hate picking Some heroes from them during the troughed off by picking certain characters that are especially good against their team composition position also by your overall strategy how to improve your economy and for which quests you want to go to improve your The victory points that you get at the end of the game and the last aspect is that there should be some kind of feeling of achievement when you must of the learning in curve of the game because as most drafting games you will you will get better the more you know about the game that means if you use the time between between two sessions to learn what kind of characters in the game and what kind of combinations are possible you should also be be able to improve your Your skilled during the last Three months I've created a five different print runs for for this game but I only did a couple of play tests so far with them with other people and that's that's The main reason why my my my goal for for the next month really is to play test this game more often and In order to do that I will also create a tabletop similar variant of Of the game and try to play as with with my mastermind group and and with Some friends that Do not live around the corner. In addition to that I of course have to work on the rules. They are not completely finished yet and I will do some tweaking here and there for for characters keywords and mechanics of course us and that is pretty much what I have done the last year I feel like I have developed quite a bit as a game. Designer I have learned so many new things during the last year From preparing for the PODCAST and from working on on those two games and especially from talking to so many many great people from the industry and I hope I was able to you Entertain you with me on this exciting journey because My goal is always to to learn to crow and Yeah to to share what I what I learned on this journey with you so that we can grow together but before I before I closed the shell there's one more thing that I wanted to mention one aspect that I realized in the last year is that I spend too much time working on the game. Design topics picks alone. And if you work alone you often get stuck and you really need someone else to to share opinions with and to help y'all when you when you're stuck and that's why Why I want to cooperate red with other people more and more in this year? So if you have any idea For Cooperation please contact me. I'm very open for that. I'm I'm looking for People to to work with Bisbee got to the to the PODCAST Or other a game design nine related topics especially building resources. Father Game Zayas Lacombe. Yeah I duNno websites of books Off Aw whatever comes to your mind if you want to be a guest on the on the podcast please reach out or if you want to just to just to talk about about your game or if you have an idea for a for a CO design If you're interested in the Games I produce please reach out I'm really open for any kind of cooperation at the moment. The easiest way to reach out is to write an email at Marvin at nerd like a boss dot com or visit my website at nerd like a boss dot com or Yeah join our discord. You can find the link in the show notes or or find me on social media By searching for Not like a boss so and that is really pretty much what I wanted to talk about this week. Next week we are. We will Yeah come back to a regular episode and Until then then keep shooting for the moon and nerd like balls. uh-huh

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049  Setting Constraints and Designing within Strict Limitations  Interview with Ed Rodriguez  Designer of Animus

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1:18:43 hr | 1 year ago

049 Setting Constraints and Designing within Strict Limitations Interview with Ed Rodriguez Designer of Animus

"Hello Fellow Adventures and welcome back to the nut lab where we transform our gaining passion into incredible game designs and learn how to. Meerut like a boss. My name is Marvin and I am an ambitious game design. Now on my quest to develop a cooperative fantasy card game for this podcast. My vision is to take you with me on this exciting journey together. We will explore the secrets of different game mechanics and reach the next level as a game designer in today's episode. I have the chance to talk to a great game design with whom I think I have a lot in common. We both seem to be into strategy card games a lot especially drafting as a mechanism is something be both. We both love. We are also both part of Yeah the same social media groups and we use Tabletop similar to digitize our ideas but our most important commonality at least for today's show is that we both that very clear goals and boundaries for game design journey especially with regards to limitations and constraints for the game design however they also some major differences between us First of all his tabletop. Simulated implications look a thousand times more professional than Mine and secondly he somehow manages to keep the limitations. He's that's himself and this is exactly what we want to discuss today. How to design a game with very strict limitations? Please welcome with me at Rodriguez. The design of animals the draft building game. Welcome to the show. Ed Hi how are you doing? Thanks for having me your. It's great to have you on the show. I'm really looking forward to talk to you and him. Yeah as a topic. Today we want to talk about setting limitations during the design phase and how to how to stick to them which definitely is not easy and. I have to confess that. I'm struggling with it myself. Sometimes but before we get to the main topic. Would you like to introduce yourself and tell the listeners? How your journey a game designer began all right well Be Glad to sell a like a mentioned. I'm Ed Rodriguez I I got started in the game industry. I used to work for a very small independent company called Wriggling Games and I was Developer on game such as quartermaster general. A Destination Neptune and a couple of smaller stuff that they put out. Nothing really are shattering. The the biggest thing out of Model that was quartermaster. General was a series. That's pretty much taken off. It's kind of a niece game of very fast. Plant World War. Two game that's not necessary. Just war to buffs And so I wasn't the main designer on that I just a assisted And was involved in development and then But around that time on my own I dabbled in some game design. Been very active on the game. Crafter you know Doing indie Games and also talking to other people in any games making the the tour of In the conventions and whatnot But through Gregan Games. I got to Start I I don't more in the business side of things in the marketing and business side so being at conventions Con Ed and she'll and Just a learning the INS and outs of the business there But I've always wanted to do not so much via game designer but I had like all these ideas of like characters and concepts that I wanted to Kinda get out data always like I know. There's a morbid thought. But I didn't want like my to die with me when I'm gone one day and That's kind of how animists was born. It was just At that I mean this has been like about twenty years in sort of development Originally started just a conglomerate of just a bunch of ideas. I was always a big fan of things that have like crossover appeal late. The games that have Different genres mixed into The video games do this a little bit more often. Like a super smash brothers Mobile Capcom characters from different franchises. Battling it out and you got movies like the newer ventures as we have characters from different movies. Altogether always was a fan of that and wanted to do something along those lines but as a very in the designer starting off I really wanted to make sure that I did something small. Something within my means You know one of the things that I I was GonNa talk about later when we talk about design constricts assume one of the things that could be a design constraint. Is Your budget and what you got to work with Not Everybody can you know pitch to publishers? Maybe don't don't even want to invest not really necessary to be a game designer. I think But one of the things that can Is Budget But anyway I am not with With that company anymore. But I've gone onto mostly do on the side. I do like freelance Combative stuff so anybody that goes out to Jim. Connor or anything like that will usually see me around But ADEMA says my first foray really first as like an indie designer with a you know a product of my own and and I it's an exciting journey. It's been a very long one. I don't think we're GONNA have time to go through the whole thing but I can give you snippets of what that process was like you know in in very short bits. That would be awesome because Yeah I took a look at animals. I saw it in one of our shared social media groups And it was not the first time that I saw it. I saw it several times and I was quite impressed of your presentation of the game. End The progress that you made so I invited you to the show because Yeah I wanted to talk about because it goes into assuming that direction kind of games that That also like and they also develop so I also mentioned in the beginning in the introduction that it seems that we have the same taste of game so What kind of games inspired you the most to maybe become a game designer or to design a game like animals will more specifically for? Animus of again. I I started playing magic a not when I came out around a revised edition so like nineteen ninety. Three ninety four Was My first probably game a right that and since then I you know I became a big fan of yu-gi-oh poke them on a lot of trading card games. That was a big Fan of those in love them and always wanted to do my own But you know trying to design a CG is don't even back then. I knew that was a daunting task in a new kind of foolish to try to create something that To go against the kind of the big three there So wh what. I wanted to do what I set out to do as I wanted to. Tackle some of my own personal biggest problems with those games even though I loved them one of the first things that jumps out to me is the cost investment. So you by buying into game magic like I just recently started playing magic arena and had to stop from studying suddenly spending a bunch of money on boosters because you know it's it's kind of addicting and it it's fun it's fun but it can be a money and I wanted to get away from that You know I don't want to make a game where you have to be buying boosters all the time and go more like the Living Card Game Route Trademark But I- Living Card Games also still felt too big for me. I was like that's a little bit bigger than what I WANNA do. I WANNA I WANNA go smaller. I WanNa capture the feel of magic you know an Pokemon and yu-gi-oh like one of probably the thing that sticks out to me when I think about was named as the ability to like create combos and our whether intentional or not you know you've played this corn and sometimes it'll be a chain reaction of things going on and I wanted to this kind of maybe one of the constraints was I. I was I wanted to focus on that feeling and make a game on that without You know that that money investment the other the other investment that you have in these Games is timing investment. You know you gotta spend a bunch of time building a deck before even play. You gotTA collect the cars that you want. You know build a deck and if you're a very serious competitive player you gotta play Jacks and you know. Learned the INS and outs of it and As I got older and a lot of gamers get older. You Start Finding that you have less and less time To be gaming to be doing things even though you love them very much And so again. Dow was one of the other constraints that I said. Okay I want to. I want to try to stay away from that one A game that plays very fast doesn't require a bunch of money to get in especially when You know with magic you can have. You could be a player that spend a bunch of money on cards and make a bunch of decks but then your friends don't WanNa have sex or anything So like living card game I wanted to create something where you just get one box and has everything that you you You need to play and just like you. I was always a fan of drafting And it's funny because originally the drafting was just actually optional. Rule until I realized how important useful it could be I listened to the episodes in your podcast of drafting And it reminded me of the stuff back I had to discover on my own benefits is out of drafting and so So those were like of the two big pillars of Lake big the game has to fit within. This can cost much can take a lot of time to to to play And so you know. That's that's how we got to that so it's a game where very simply the game is There's a there's a set number of cars in the box but when you go to play you take a subset of the cards From one set you half the cards. It's almost like you you have. You opened one booster pack and then you lay those out and if you've ever played a seven wonders do which if you're driving fan you probably have A uses a very similar Drafting mechanic where there's a there's a tableau of cards laid out. Both players can see them and but some of the cards are face down. And you're limited in Hard you can. You can draft at a time and you can Use the layout strategically. So it's not just what card you pig? But in orders you pick them because it will affect what's available to the other players And then from there you go into a very quickly playing Card Game Yeah. That is definitely interesting. Because it's your game that inspired you are also the ones that inspired me and I'm also very much into drafting as you mentioned and and also thought quite a bit about the different distribution models that come with a technical Kagame's like CC. Jeez Living Card Games and expendable card games cells called and stuff like that so and while I was preparing for this show today Talking about constraints I am. I got the feeling that sometimes Constraints can also come from from players and the market itself because as you mentioned creating a CC. G can be daunting on one side but also on from the market side. It seems that a lot of people are no longer willing to spend that amount of money and they are looking for games. That are Fit into one box so Would you say that This Can also be a some kind of constraint that is comes from the market that you no longer can really afford to create a CC for example because the the customers chest them want to buy something different abso absolutely. I feel that's definitely this is definitely a huge limitation And I would like to see things. Go more. The route of like living card games but It's very hard especially. If you're a very big company is very hard to ignore. The you know the booster pack business model Although I feel like that's know Debbie going on a favor so but before we maybe before we go too deep into our main topic today. Do you want to explain a little bit? How your game animals Works you talk a little bit about the the travelling part of the game but Tell us a little bit more about him. How the game plays out okay. So it's very simple I I I'm a fan of fighting games acre fighting video games and I kinda wanted to do something like that but but keep it very simple And actually one of the driving force I'll get into the story but The way the game plays is I mentioned the drafts. Initially a draft Now one of the most elite I think one of the more interesting aspects of the game every single card in the game is a unique car does no duplicates of any any card At all and there's only one type of card so where you have like magic where you have like instant in source reason creatures and things like that in this game. Every single car is a character and the Adair unique character their name and then they'll have a special ability that only that character has right There's this not repeated worlds. Some cars may have Very similar abilities are sometimes they'll have the same ability but triggers at a different time Your during the game so making a little different but essentially every single card is unique. And so what you'RE GONNA DO. You'RE GONNA DRAFT Getting text messages. Yeah you're GONNA draft These cards each card has type There's three different types which they have a rock paper scissors relationship which means when they're in combat with each other. They may have advantages and disadvantages. you have three car after your draft. You'RE GONNA have a deck of cards. So the draft only consists of eighteen cars each player's GonNa draft. All the cars are nine nine of each. And so then you have a deck of nine cards again very very small hand of three cards and then once per turn you can play card onto the battlefield now. The battlefield is also very unique. Where you don't just have a an open field you have The set slots that you can put them into you have a you have one Malay position yet. These two flank positions into support positions. They have spots on the board where you can place your cards. The where where. They are situated on the board determines whether can attack The Malay guys can attack the other guys do flank attacks each other and so forth So on your turn. You'RE GONNA play a car now Unlike other games there's no resources to manage crusade. There's no manna tap. There's no ongoing You Know Manitoba to accumulate you just simply if you want to play a card. You can play the car Some cars will trigger when they when they play Do you know all kinds of different things But essentially you're going to put cards out to this board and you know you're gonNA WANNA put them in a advantageous position and then you're gonNA use them to attack the place. It's it's a very much a head-to-head competitive game Now each card. If you ever look at an image of him you see that they have this big number on it ranging from one to three that is like a measure of the power level So a car with a higher number is is generally a more powerful card or or useful in almost every situation whereas like a loved. One car is not so powerful. Or just You know useful more specific situations and you would think you would draft your deck full of like the high powered level. Three's right make a big deck of powerful stuff. The drawback is that the victory condition. The game is your plan for victory points and whenever you're cards are defeated in battle ongoing you discard the level that they are count against you so once a player has ten points in the discard pile. They lose the game so you don't WanNa have too many out of your nine cards with. Most of them are threes Three of them. Are you know killed? You're ready at Ni- points so you WanNa like that. You have to take that into account when drafting but So to summarize you're basically GonNa you know draft some cards You you build a smaller deck of nine cards. You'RE GONNA play them out to a field and you're gonNA have characters Position or back in like a flank position. You can have way back in a support position where they're out of combat but they can use their special abilities you know to has their friends and things like that There's some some people liken it to what what Pixel Tactics So Pixel tactics. If you know that game will kinda give you an idea but It's a little bit even smaller than antidote but more streamlined And then you know every like I said. Every single car has special abilities. And here's where things get a lot more complex You know cards will do damage to each other. Though you know flip cards around and move cards From hands or discard pile things like that. And that's where the creativity comes in game design. Where was you know hot hot Make all these cards do something different within a very strict because everything's restricting restricted like? There's only one car you play. Return you can. You have only so many slots on the battlefield And if you have a full field you can't play anymore cards into a slot opens up now. You can move cards while they are in the field so there's some strategy and whatnot so there's a lot of like what I call sort of like design walls both in the Takata constrain the game and then yet I had to figure out ways to design within that and sometimes sort of break the rules a little bit because I think That's one of the fun of these kind of Card Games is having cards. Sorta break the rules in some way or at least change the paradigm of like a given match And Yeah I think that's an overview I don't know if I was rambling there but no I understood completely. It was a great overview and I'm really looking forward to to see what kind of firm yeah boundaries and constraints you created for the game in the beginning because I'm interested in it As I design a game that is pretty similar to yours. I mean what you. What your game does it. It somehow simulates team fight between two groups of Heroes Man. Yeah that is exactly what what the the game that I am. Currently working on does as well some twists of course and to be honest. I am having a really hard time finding the right Battlefield System The question I struggled with is how to position different combat roles like Tanga range director supporter And that is exactly what your game does very well. It seems that you have found a very good solution for that question in your game. So just out of curiosity can you? Maybe talk a little bit about how your battlefield came to be. And maybe what other ideas for for the future? You have tried on the way. Well real quick before I went to the battlefield thing Lake you would. You would came to mind when you were talking about like how to come up with like ten characters ranges and things like that one of the things that I was very early on knew that I needed to do or that I needed to do. Was that every card needed to be able to pretty much. Do a little bit of everything that needs to be good at it but it needed to be needed to be able to do some so like I. Every car can do a mealy attack. Every car can do a range attack. Every card has a special ability right. Those are the three basic things that you do in the game and so At every card at least has that ability in some way now They're designed where they're going to be much better than others but it makes us so that if you know you kind of get into a bind You're not stuck with a car that can't go into play right like if you have a car that like this card is very good. If it's a support position but you can't get it into support position for whatever reason you still can put it. Intimate antic can still do something while they're just may not be very good at it And not some games can't named But I've seen some games where they'll restrict your little bit too much with this car can only be played in that position. And that's all it does and you. You can't do that when you're out of luck so here you don't You don't run into those walls like that where you can't do a play it may mean it won't be the utmost hop the more But anyway so how. I landed into my my battlefield. Well it goes too early decision where I decided that I only wanted one type of card game. I didn't WanNa have a sore series. An instance and stuff like that partly because I wanted to avoid timing issues like or if I play this card and then you play this card which resolves verse and IT RE I. I wanted to try to overweight. That if possible So basically made everything creatures just creatures you put them into play and you fight with them And I was kind of modeling. The game one of the earliest Ideas of four-game That I had was the mobile versus Capcom. Fighting Games specifically Margaret kept. I kept Kaku where it's a game where you pick three characters. Would you only have one out in the battlefield actually at the at a time off the opponent but you can call the other two to assist you right in that game and I? I thought that was a good idea. Like that But a folk for a physical game being on a board that become too fun having one card out in the battle and then the others the others You know maybe doing some stuff on the side. I said well what if I just have them at one card. That's up in Malay. So he's sort of like the in front fighter and then the other car will be like a little bit further back and they can still do stuff attack. But they just have different parameters so that's why I ended up with the two flank positions so To give the viewers visual the battlefield phase plane looks like an inverted v. So you have one main mainly position. That's front you have to flank ones. That are further back than you have to support positions that I even further back. Salako a big V and again. This was the influence from like The fighting game. We have one fighter. That's findings have your mail a guy that ease of upfront and then you have to sort of flank was on the side and initially those were just going to be like. Oh they're just helpers they do stuff but then I realized oh they don't need to just be helpers they can just be fighters right there because as a turn based game you know You know the the players more than capable of controlling multiple characters once And that's pretty much how that came about in this position just I just added those as well. I know having only three spots seems a little bit to restrict their so. We'll add this other ones where you can. You know the characters you know. Don't fight so you could use it to sorta retreat your characters or whatnot and then opened up the design spacewalker. Say we'll I could make characters that You know if I put them in support position they stay there. They can do like a special ability or something like that Because one of the things that happens in this game is that as You have to play in order. So you have to have a character may laid before you can put winning flanking that one flank before you can play when his support And then the Consequence of that is that whenever characters removed from the board. They're killed whatever and the Oakland PA- SLOP THE SLOTS BEHIND IT. Half the shift up and sort of kind of simulate that you're bashing in on the opponent of for instance if your opponents playing card way back in In Rio position on. But it's causing you problems. Sometimes you may not have a direct answer to it but if you can take out the cars in front of it will force it up and then you can deal with it So those are some kind of the ideas that were flowing through my mind Over the years it took a couple years to actually you know develop that at sounds like a lot of interesting strategic decisions. Come out of that especially because the heroes have to take the other spot wants to this free. I really liked that him design decision and I can. I can imagine how I'm how this impacts the game the Gameplay so Let's turn thank you for forgiving me a bit of background with the battlefield system. That's that's helpful and I would propose that we now transition a little bit to our main topic setting setting constraints for four game idea and especially how to stick to them in for us as human beings it is very common for yet to complain about the constraints and our lives. I mean we complain about that. We have to live with too little time that we don't have enough money or other resources and and yes Sometimes those constraints can can really hold us back. So why in the world should we voluntarily set constraints for Games What is your opinion on that I think in game design especially the newer you are is a game designer them. I almost feel like the more constraints you WANNA put your put on yourself. Well constraints could be. I mean they could be self-imposed right. Or you know you can soak impose a for a challenge or you know like I mentioned before you might be limited by budget or or the time that you have to work on a game Another thing that could be a constraint. Also is if you're working with an intellectual property so for instance if you're making a a game that has Disney characters in it Obviously there are some restraints that Disney is GonNa put on you like. You can't do this. You can't have the characters collegiate right. You can't have any killing in the game whenever they gotta do something else So you know there's there's a lot of different things that can cause limitations but I feel like As a beginner game designer You you WANNA try to rein yourself in as much as possible Because it will just force you to be a and you hear this a lot. It definitely foster is creativity Like for instance. When I said to myself I only want one type of car. So how do I get the feeling of of a game like magic so a game like magic? Has All these different cards car types. How do I get the feel of all of that but using only one type of card right? That was the question. I douse the restraint. I put on myself and forced me and still forces me to be very creative And say Okay I wanna I want something that simulates an in an instant speed quick cards how do I how do I do that? I wanNA car to feel like it's very tinky. How do I do that? with with it only being one car and not relying on anything else relying any COMBOS. you know You know either I mean even could you say like go is a is a you know. has a lot of designing restraints You know there's very limited pieces. Ray Limited Not Decisions but you know it's like it's it's only certain actions you do although they might be many possibilities But yeah I think having Again but yours yours a player I think the more restrictions you want to try to put on yourself to a Help you think more you know. More focused But also keeping your game simple so that when you go to tell someone else about her you teach someone else. It's a whole lot easier for them. It's easier for you to describe it and it's easier for them to grasp and jump on in and the simpler. It is to learn a game. The more likely you're GONNA GET EBA to planning key planning because one of the things as game designers may need is. We need plate duster. We need people to have played says the game. So the game takes you know forty five minutes to Describing learn how to play As a play Tester. You'RE NOT GONNA YOU'RE NOT GONNA get any I think That way I I agree. I mean constraints drive creativity. Yes and that is very important for us as game designers because what we typically do at. Least I do it on and I think it's pretty much true for many other game designers as well when we do L. Game we essentially We take a lot of problems and challenges. This is how game design works and as game developers we tend to overcome these issues by addressing them with solutions. We have familiar with Probably based on our previous experiences on what has worked well for us in the past or what we know from similar games and although this is a great way to get things done Having that much freedom you can end up Discouraging new and creative ways of solving those problems and We by by working in that fashion. We are not really thinking out. The box so setting constraints really can help to get out of the comfort zone and create something that is New Innovative and And unique and your limitation about That you only want to have one character one cart tight. It's exactly In that main and never did you. I'm curious did you. Did you start with that limitation from from the early beginning or? Is this something that you that you Yeah developed over time. No no that was definitely a before I even had a game. That was one of the first ideas that I had was. I wanted to make so going back to magic. I liked the idea of the legendary characters named characters like I didn't want want generic warrior is all in front fighting. I wanted you know. Flayed Black Raven the fearless warrior with a giant sore. is upfront. And he's fighting for my team Theme is pretty important for me in games. And so I didn't want things to just be you know a generic You know fighters and stuff like that. I wanted lake characters to to you know be at the forefront. I wanted I wanted. I want players to care about the units that they're putting into play If that makes sense But what I wanted to touch on something that that Something you said made me think about it. Like one of the probably one of the most important lessons I ever. Learning game design From other better game designers Was Does the actress. What I call I call it. Design by subtraction Very often you can find yourself with a game design problem will. My game is broken in this way. So it's not working right and often in. I was here this often. You would start creating rules side rules to compensate for that problem or to fix that problem or anything like that. You start adding all this extra stuff and what was taught to me was well. Maybe the opposite is the answer. Maybe the thing that's causing that issue. Who Get rid of it. Yeah but it's it's a thing that I like I You know it's an aspect of the game that I really like a but it's causing a lot of issues. I WanNa just fix it. No no maybe fixing is just getting rid of it And your for physical or rather a more weight. Example of this is in my own game originally The cards all had different Do type so if you have cable the POK MON Games in other the POK Mon. They have like They have different types their fire electric sometimes they have combinations and they have different strengths and weaknesses. So my game used to be like that it had all these different types and And it was really neat. Little system was working. You know it's like okay. This guy is good against that and and You know but he's not so good against that and let's interesting stuff at least to me. I found that interesting. Most players didn't led to allot analysis paralysis. All you got all this other stuff to Parse fire but way So the water one. That's intuitive but what about the gravity type of hunters that like nothing was intuitive Trying to en- district years. I kept trying to figure out ways to make this type system work. I kept trying different. Layouts and colors and icons and things like that and eventually I just broke down a set. Okay I I'm in love with my own thing and I'm the only one that is lovely so I gotta cut it and it was the best decision I ever made. I cut it to something else. I basically cut it to a very simple rob purposes type of relationship and it made the game ten times better and it's still captured what I was originally going for. Whether which was I wanted some cards to be advantageous to others in the battlefield and a simple rock paper. Scissor thing Which I was fighting against because I always felt that was too simplistic Ended up solving it So design by subtraction is is is something that I keep in mind in another way that and I don't hear people talk about this very much Another way you can improve a game is by China find aspects of it that you can combine right so if you have two different rules that sometimes bump into each other. Maybe there's a way that you can combine them into one and You know to sort a smooth over a you know. There are the reasons that they're bumping And then come up with something else that actually saw solves both of those things. I'm not sure. Tell us. Apartment made mistakes but it was one of the things that I learned from other designers was try to find rather than trying to create all these sort of side rules or sides situations just trying to find ways to combine a different aspects of the game Into one and again kind of like the type system rather than using these different ones. Just simplify more finding ways to simplify the system as a whole designed by obstruction. I love it. Thanks for sharing that with us and I also love when when when it happens. Net released today at that time things combined into one and your game gets easier by that. I love when that happens and for me. That often happens coincidentally when when I try to think about how to solve them thing and maybe another mechanism from from my game that is completely in another aspect of the game solves the problem for me by by combining but I I do not really have A. Let's let's say some kind of process in place that helps me so that this combination of things happens naturally so is we have some kind of Advice here do you I don't know maybe every one to three months go through your game and look if there is combined the mechanisms in across the table also and see what can be combined. There's something that you do intentionally to achieve that. Yeah it's called plates and not just by myself You GotTa get other people to play a game like you know and another thing I learned is never assume that somebody is going to like before somebody plays it. Don't assume they're gonNA like or not like your game just present it let let them have at it Like for instance. One time I was at a I was at a college. I I got invited. The colleges was having like eight eighteen with games day and I was invited to go then and show my game. It was You know in sort of a Beta phase And you know and people playing in sitting and These two girls came by and and I don't want to say this in a wrong way but like my initial reaction was like. Oh they're just looking at it because they're seeing the pretty pictures that you're not like it didn't seem like it was their their type of games not something that they'd be into Just just Kinda like by the manners then and had seen them walking around whatever but they took an interest in my game and they asked about it and I gave him a very quick overview. I figured I figured they just want to hear what is it about. And then you know they'd be like okay whether it's not for me. Whatever and to my surprise they were like. Oh this sounds cool. Can I kinda tried out? Can we go and next thing? I know they're playing. The you know the game all the way through the having a blast and the also gave me a lot of good feedback of some of it was stuff that I that I kind of new and And I explain to them. Why didn't make her decision? But they did enlighten me and so the lesson from there was you. Just don't assume you know just don't assume anything about people Every every play testing is valuable even Like I've had not sure you've had this before where Have you ever had like someone sit down to play? Test your game and it's obviously absolutely eight it but they're playing anyway but you know Even from that you can learn a lot You can learn you know well first of all you can learn what problems with the game but you can also want another Bible. Let's go to Kinda learn was not every game is for everyone right. So like my my game for instance. If you're a very hard core euro gamer you like you know Hardcore Castles Castle Burgundy. Isn't that you're probably not going to like this game. This may be your your game because there are some randomness to And so maybe some Parker Euro Games may not may not like that. But that's Okay. Games. Don't have to be university. Don't have to be for everyone But to the tonight meander too much Biggest thing for me is an US allies. Just play testing and Through the play testing either someone who will come up with a suggestion like hey what if you did these two things together Or You as being a third person observer You know would you suddenly notice things because that's one of the biggest things I would say if you play testing don't always You be in the play test like have a bunch of people playing use it to the side and you watch record do whatever and just see how they do. Especially if you don't even talk to them you just like just let them do it and only interject on like really important stuff You can learn a lot and you'll be able to see where you can streamline things that's really my process most of most of the best work or best designed to join the game where because of these other people that are set to me. Yeah sure anthem. I also really liked to to just to watch when someone is playing my game. Sam Matt Yeah I mean also also like playing with them of course but I have the feeling that I get more out of a plate has settlement. I trust him. Watch others playing it So what I would like to try to achieve here for for. The rest of the show is to To get the the listeners. Some kind of advice or best practices how they could set constraints for themselves so Maybe we can go a little bit through the through the process of setting constraints four-game and and maybe the first the first initial point could be. When do you set constraints so I personally do it when very early so in the beginning of the of the design phase because I mean there is the same as I'm not a native speaker and my favorite here? Nothing is scarier than a blank sheet of paper and by setting limitations to yourself. This can help you to get some direction where you where you want to go. So first question would be when do you set constraint during your design process usually well? I think it goes to also the type of design. You are so Some designers like to start with a theme. I designed game game based on that and then others WanNa come up just have a mechanic and then theme comes later in the day. Designed that way So that might inform. You know The way you go But yet they pretty much one of the first things you WanNa you WanNa do is is Set limitations and you know it is hard for me to remember his Salongo but it it. It could be easy as like for my game saying Hey okay. I only want one type of card. Then here okay. That's one end. You don't have to come up with every single limitation that you games going to have You just start with that and then you see what you can do with that and then you realize okay while we're gonNA need more things. I mean a some dice or something so then you you know maybe do one or two days or something. You kinda expand but You know you wanNA just shot to try to keep it in reason It's hard to say because I think You know just like every person is different like every design process is probably GONNA be A little bit different but Eat you definitely want to like just Come up with Fake for me. One of the things that. I say to myself when I am. I coming up with a game ideas. What Eve motion? Or what do I want the player to be feeling right so animus I wanted the player to feel like I got all these cool characters and doing these cool things or what nine like. Coolness factor And that you know so you know that. Inform me and say okay. Well then I need to have cool characters but you know okay now. I know that you can't just have generic characters like everything's gotta be You know I think that's what led me to say okay. We'll we'll make every single car be you a unique character end. There's only one type of card in the game. That's kind of how I ended up there. It's Kinda like a meandering process but Yeah I mean the so many different Different ways I mean some pleasure say like I wanNA play a game where you just You know flip flip. Dice flicked ice across the thing. And you want to do a lot of different ways to start thank you. Yeah and you said something that that is similar to my to how how I approach it to my process and that is that you are looking to To identify what you want your players to feel and this is my first step in the process When I started the design process I think about where the fun comes from and and I really try to identify what specific aspect of the game should be the main focus so what what is responsible for the funding the game. What what is responsible for these interesting game states game decisions bought States That you are decisions that you are responsible for it as a player that you that you really enjoy and Additionally to that I also think about what is unique behind my idea or the game. I want to to to develop and you can. I can give you a few examples of the game. I'm currently working on which is some kind of Auto Butler Card game and I wanted to the funk come through creating a team competition so I wanted to the feeling of achievement when you when you find missing pieces for your team composition. I wanted you to the players. Too Few clever when they identified open strategies during the troughed. I wanted them to feel. Get a feeling of discovery When they find new team compositions that they might not be wealth before I one of them to get get some kind of risk reward feeling by Yeah going for the less reliable card combos in the game during the traffic if they take if they are willing to take the risk. I wanted that feeling of reward when they when they achieve it This is all under the sub point team composition. And then I have the second point which is positioning and deployment. I wanted them to play as few clever when they when the when the positioning of the characters on the board is effective and works how they how they planned holiday holiday build the strategy for him I wanted. I wanted also to give them some kind of way to To change the static. Combat Situation That's maybe something that needs to be done with spells for example so and I wanted them to feed clever when when one of their strategies worked as I mentioned and I also wanted them to few clever when they anticipate how opponents act and respond accordingly and. I also think that it's maybe not directly to During the game play I wanted for to create some kind of feeling of achievement when they When they master the learning curve of the game so in between sessions they could could think about possible combinations of of heroes. That would be would up a great team for example and those were the questions that are asked or as the kind of feeling that I wanted to create with my game and this was the first step and based on those those feeling that want to have in my game I then as a second step asked what you what what I need in my game to create those situations to fossil facilitations and Yeah came up with some kind of statement and got created this by you know by asking myself some questions for example. What is the core gameplay experience? Is there a game play loop that I needed my game? And for example what are what are the core components that I need in my game to achieve that and a lot of those those questions and based on those questions then created the constraints And I I don't know maybe it makes sense to talk a little bit about the kind of constraints that you typically have for your game so maybe I don't know if you have some kind of Sheet also where you gather all of the constraints for your game but maybe we can go through some some constrains that are typical for games. So what are what are your constraint that you really wrote down and maybe for other Games Well I mean probably the most likely one is what kind of components That you're GONNA be working for you making a car beam. Are you making a making just strictly a card game? You can make something of a board game with pieces Some that Stephanie. Something to to think about early on For me I knew that I wanted to you. Know they're not going to be aboard per se. It was mostly just GonNa be cards And so you know. That's that's kind of a limitation there a self imposed another thing that limited What I was going to do was And this wasn't actually really impulsive me I kept thinking that if I never got to publish this game to a publisher or or even if I've never went to kickstarter that I could still publish it through like something like the game. Crafter and game craft has limitations but they have late set number of cards per sheet that the pronounced like that so I designed actually the game around a you know. They're process there. So that's that's how I ended up with. The number of cards in the game are directly From that I'm very bad at writing. Things down Most most game designers have lake all these you know. Long designed documents and I very much go by feel emmy do. Write some stuff down Especially during team. Play testing and all that but When I'm initially coming up with design I I in this is just me and I wouldn't say that this is the right way to go. I just Kinda let my mind wander. I tried imagine you know magic the game out and what you said. What kind of Gameplay loop I wanna I wanna feel and then Once I kind of have a general idea what where I wanna go then then I may start writing stuff down but And of course always it's GonNa be a very very terrible game on until you actually played setting yes in play testers out but often You know the you know watching people play and maybe struggle through a bad game design You know again. There's value see. Okay well you know that thing that they don't like their I'm not GonNa do that Immediately game doesn't need to do that. And and it's Going back a little bit to what you said about Like designing the game towards for you know what feeling you want out of. The player almost always wrong about that. May I come up with ideas like okay? I want. I'M GONNA make bidding game and it's going to be about set collecting. I wanted players to feel clever about. Okay que they bid and they got you know. Got This clever set of items that you know work together do stuff. And then I played tested his game with people and they enjoyed that yes but the they have more fun than the actual bidding on. It was the theme of the game was bidding for storage options like the other show storage wars and people liked actually feeling like they're getting into character and the actual bidding in calling stuff out and they kind of weight even paying that much attention to what they were bidding for. Just the you know the loud Calling out of bids and bidding against each other. That was the fun for most people and I said okay. Whoa that's not necessarily what I went out to do. But Hey this is cool. So let's let's go with it so I think also being open to letting your game going direction that unit really attended to It is also within like you know Don't don't always have a hard not yourself either. I you know you're you're trying to constrain yourself but also you wanna be open to begin going Necessarily intended but maybe it makes it for better game absolutely absolutely and yeah I also I also like that because Yeah most most something that most game design as they that the game ended in a spot that they didn't plan for in the beginning And so you you need to be open and to do you can't constrain yourself too much but I also also have some some some points on my list of the of examples of of constraints you mentioned most of them You also already talked in the beginning about that can be an intellectual property your design for and that Matt Constrain Yourself. You might design for specific publishing methods like you like you said on Game Craft. I for example it could also be that you Designed for specific publisher. You want to you want to Yeah publish your game through. They almost of them have very strict design constraint on their websites that you can look to and then that might help you to To come up with your first constraints then another constraint could be that. The game has a certain mechanism for me. It was very very sure from the very beginning. That my game we'll be trotting game for example that could also be One constraint for you team also can be can be can be constrained that if you know. Your game is is a cowboy alien game. I don't know something like that. I want to explore. That can can be constrained for for for some kind of mechanisms that you can use in your game then also What I also like is complexity. You should should really think about who your game is. For and what kind of games those players play. So how complex can it be? How many components can have an how long can again be how many players and should be able to to play your game? And how old should these pay US be? All of those are information that I write down in the beginning to some of them. I'm more strict than others So for example I might change the the number of players in the end if I see. There's there's also a good three or four player variant of my of my play a game and willing to to change here but to some very strict for example. I know that this will be attracting game. Ended will stay attracting game. I might change the the way players draft But at the end I want wanted to be drafting. Because that's what I as I wanted to be and I think it is responsible for the. I'm for the kind of funded I want to create with my game Something you reminded me of a gone gone it. Please please You reminded something. I forgot what it was. That you you you said but I think it was when Utah Publishers. Oh you mentioning looking at auction site and seeing what kind of games that the and it made me think that you shouldn't ever You shouldn't not make a game because you think it's too Nisha seven audience right. You know if you have a weird idea that appeals to like maybe a couple people do it I know the JT JT Smith from the green crafter some of the Games. He creates he only creates just was friends. Bike this defy people in the world that he knows will play this game that's Ns waited designs it for But like give me a very very quick story A good friend of mine Aj from Van Writer Games or Manny. Many years ago when he first started his first game. He was GonNa Mickey's Ambi- game those a solo game and I remember when he was talking about the concept I thought it was Kinda cool but at the same time I was like I know a little bit naive. Who's GONNA play a solo game? It's a Solo Lake. Nobody plays board games by themselves. I mean they do but more than not you know. And I and I kept trying to cushioned towards making co-operative No no no I WANNA make a solo game now fast. Forward a few years later. He's got several solo games on this boat. That have done very very well and surprise to me. There's this whole community of Gamers that look for Solo Games. And so he not really carved out a niche for himself but he found you know this little niche and found some success there which has led to other stuff. Now he's making all kinds of games But you know it just started with just having an idea like matters this little idea that I wanNA do. Let me run with it and see where it goes So you know and also like There's a company SMIRKING. Dagger Right. A lot of their deems the reason they will costumer Naggar most of their games. Were very take that kind of games You know that would make most euro gamers cringe but there were very takings. Sort of mean games You know beat open each other. And in in talking with Kerr. He said that as they were looking at you know they will talk with with game. Designers engage designers. Were present games to them every once in a while. They would see a game over like mad. I would like to publish this game. But it doesn't really fit with what my company is. My company is a you know. Take that game. But this guy. Has This really cool? You Know Euro game with his Co. Drafting game it doesn't really fit so was mercury. Did it was day just changed up. They made a whole division on now they call it a they have a whole division. Now the customer can laughter where they make like these Like party games. That are not take that so you know if if you think there's a publisher you may WanNa work with and you have an idea you know. It's not a bad idea to still try and talk them anyway because you never know what might happen You know the the worst they can do is say no absolutely and I really like your Your example of the Solo game market here because What the designer did here is. He tried something new and that time. Maybe there wasn't a market for maybe. The idea was even unique at that time. I don't know and what it did definitely did. And that is something that you should try to add to your constraints as well. I mean the listeners. Here is to try to challenge yourself because To get out of your comments on and to create something that is unique. That can be a hook for your game later. That might be Might help you to tomorrow game and I good very good. Example here is is key fought for by the way For Key I'm pretty sure that one game constrained was that every day is unique. I'm pretty sure they had this idea. From the very beginning and This is a constraint that that has a lot of implications for the entire game process or design process and yeah it it created a lot of challenges fall for the for the game designers and They need to come up with new ideas. New Technology even to to solve those for me for my game. For example it is The unique aspect is that the combat should be automatic and that is also challenging me quite a bit because a lot of fun and games comes from Designing which unit attacks which other unit or we who which unit is supposed to attack and which one to defend and stuff like that if all of this is automatic and taking away from the player. Something's missing and I'm still struggling to find ways to To overcome this and to find new ideas how how I could fill that hole but it it tries creativity. It challenges me and I think that's a good thing and you should come with something similar as well. Also kind of on the flip side of the whole thing is Look at examples of what happens when someone doesn't have constraint And although this is not board. Game Related I think a lot of people point to this is example is Where you look at the star wars movies and You know the first especially the first original movie George Lucas had to film this with a lot of constraints a lot of budgetary constraints and materials and things like that And then you know became out with a fantastic movie. But then you know decades later when he had a chance to do the prequels It seems like there was no one to tell him no. He had no limitations like whatever he could come up with. Whatever I did he came up with. You could throw it out there At especially with a lot of the technology he developed. It was very easy to throw it out there. I want this. Ain't I wanNA alpine racing scene or anything like that and so Not Everything was the best that it could have been whereas again you look back at his first movie when he had a lot more Concerning me seem like he had a lot more constraints. He came out with a much more memorable movie than say something. Like the phantom menace. Which have you know a lot of extraneous stuff And or you know plot hose You can also look. There's A. There's a busy YouTube channel on the team of the Youtube Channel. But there's a there's a guy who makes a series on youtube caught what happened and he talks about a different video game projects that went really off the rails You know from big companies with very big budgets and it's very good examples of what happens when designers don't have constraints or they have too much freedom to create stuff or you have too many people involved Recommend a board game is still to take a look at because again it really drives home. That is like you gotta have some kind of boundaries. You gotTa have You know some direction. Oh of which way you're going and you don't you don't really designing vacuum You can but Again most of the things that have made my game what it is. We're mostly because of other people was people playing it. You know Ideas that were thrown my way You know just watching other people you know you know reactive and it's not always even a game play stuff like Sometimes Late for my game we needed to find a way to track of points throughout the game in the points. I've written on the cards and I noticed that when the players will play testing the game they would always align the cars are certain way right there were lining Eric and I realize oh the way they're putting it seems to come naturally will if I put the number in that little corner there with whether lining up they'll be able to add up all the numbers really quickly so that little that they did. It was very unintentional. Sewage is kind of a natural way that people have leaned on the cars Informacion on a graphic design decision for the games like okay That's where I should put you know the thing there. You know whatever So the point being that Also take a look at in examples of what happens when you don't have constraints Things can go really wild in a wash with kickstarter just on kickstarter campaigns when they start adding all these stretch goals and all this stuff without really having started out through. Because they're getting more more backers. I agree on that and you. We can seton in many different areas. I mean movies if you see as you mentioned if you see some kind of sequels or but also games digital games that are very successful and then the sequel has a lot of money and maybe less successful because they are not no new constraints on no constraints at all for the for the game anymore. And I would. I would like to mention one more thing here before we maybe come to an end feel talk already for over an hour and create discussion. But I want to mention one more thing here. It is related to constrains but not directly to setting constraints for you as a game designer for your game. It's little method that I use from now and then It which is called pomodoro method. And that is something that you can use to achieve the success very small amount of time because you you set a some kind of timer the this typically a US something like twenty or thirty minutes And I which is a constraint And then I asked myself one question during that time and something or maybe one design challenge that I want to tackle doing that time and I have only these twenty or thirty minutes to solve this problem and then I go into a deep working moat I put my my my mobile away. I turn my computer off if I don't need it And deeply work on that one question or design challenge and once I assaulted or after the thirty minutes. my My my timer my rings and I then take some kind of break maybe five minutes to get a coffee or to check my my social media or email whatsoever and then I said new pomodoro timer of for the next twenty thirty minutes so breaking down into smaller pieces And I think this is also something that is related to to yet constraints which I wanted to mention here as a as a little little tip your team. That might be helpful for someone out there. I never put a name to that But I kind of do the same thing But it's not it's not quite as structured as many things about me are not very structured. Y- sometimes often when I'm driving like I'm driving to work. I'll usually listen to You'd I'm listening to an audio book are just listening to music. But every once in a while I'll just turn off everything and on my drive to work. I think about my game or game that I'm working on or whatever something something game design related and I basically have the time between dry getting into my car and getting to work to think about that and so it's not may I guess there is a a time limit but in my mind. I'm not thinking twenty minutes or just more more visual cycle. I see my work boating. Coming up so better but wrap this up But that's that's definitely a I think. That's very awesome useful tool The only they specific timeframes avenue myself as usually denies the in the sense of Lake Setting dates for things like I may say like Okay by the end of this month I WANNA have the overall outline of many cards. This game is going to have or whatever And it's enough to be right. It just needs to be. I need to have a number. I need to come up with have something. And then you know adjusted from there Yeah having having Time constraints to think about stuff is really is and sending yourself deadlines and goals even small goes. Oh which reminds me one of the most important things that I my old boss at greatly games taught me and it goes back to what you said. The scariest thing is a blank page. Those one time when I first started working for him I didn't know what to do. I'm working for a game company and I didn't even know what to what to start and Because we had we were just getting a whole company off. The ground wasn't game design. We were doing all kinds of regular business logistics. I really just didn't know what to start in the most important thing that still stuck to me stuck with me to this day was he said to me. It doesn't matter what you do. Just do something start somewhere. Does that have to be the beginning of the game or any of the game? Just do something whatever. You are too smart. Just make one card today. Do that make that. Make that card or you know. Make this mechanic whatever And and that stuck with me and and I often do that sometimes. I have no idea where I'm going with something. I'll just whatever little ideas I do have put them on a job now and in kind of it's kind of like a carving carving sculpture. You just don't know what exactly it's GonNa look like but you're getting there and then as you as you would away with a weight then you start filling more details and whatnot That's kind of my game design process. Yeah that happens to me. Yeah when I when I hit a roadblock and the challenge that I do not know how to how to overcome and I might get into analysis paralysis for that problem and when when that happens I really liked you to two different things. The first one is work on something completely different something that inspires me at that moment instead of being stuck completely and the other thing is also related to our topic today it is Looking at my design constraints and think about About them and how they can can help me to answer that question that I might have problems with and because Maybe if I if I come back to it and Constrain that that really Gives me an idea how to solve it for example if you If you what you mentioned already that that if you have a problem and you try to come up with new rules and rules and rules and that complicates your game but your initial idea and constraint was to have a shot five or ten minute game in all the rules that you add. Extend your game links. That is not that. It's not helpful and you might. You might come back to to the to the conclusion that You have to remove stuff instead. Offer them adding new to it so I really enjoyed our interview today. I think we we spent quite a my good amount of time talking about the topic and we came up with great ideas and pretty sure it's helpful for for a few listeners out there and I'm pretty sure it is it is it was also helpful for me to think about it all of it and before we before we call it the show. I am. I would like to ask you how people can find you and make sure that they don't miss your Launch Okay. Well the most important thing right now is if you. WanNa know about the if you want to know even know about the game all the details. There is a website that I just launched this called animists card game dot com. I'm sure we'll put that in in the show notes Everything you need to know about the game as there you see a lot of our own art is done for the game so you can see a a lot of it there. and The most important thing I could see if you visit the site and you're interested in the game. Please sign up with your email. Because I'm not gonna be doing newsletters or anything like that. I'm simply GONNA win the kickstarter launches that is GONNA be the list that gets notified and so If you're interested in you WANNA know about it and I'm also using the email list as kind of a way to gauge interest in the game If three months go by and you know I've gotten only twenty five emails on well. Maybe maybe the interest isn't there or my marketing sucks or maybe guide three thousand emails But yeah the biggest thing is the website Animus Card Game Dot Com. Check out the game. If you're interested please subscribe. Yeah and I mean you at least have one email because I already subscribed and I'm looking and I'm looking forward to to To See your game hitting kickstarter and Yeah thank you for for being a guest on that show was discussion and I wish you all the best for for animals. Thank you use. Well okay listener. This was my interview with Ed Reuse the designer of animals that trust building game. I I really hope you all enjoyed the interview as much as I did. 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Digimon Adventure, US Digimon X Release, and VB News - New evolutions??

Lost in Translationmon - A Digimon Podcast

19:46 min | 3 months ago

Digimon Adventure, US Digimon X Release, and VB News - New evolutions??

"Hello everyone and welcome to new. Episode of lost in translation on this episode is being released as a podcast episode in lieu of usual adventure colin coverage the episode. Not being released this week. Now as is a podcast episode as well as youtube video if he is something. You'd like to say this episode. You can also check it out the youtube upload of this episode so in this pug cost. I'll be covering some anime as well as some virtual pet news just quickly instead of just covering the anime because there was no episode this week so festival. We have this new kiat now. This was provided by a wiki. Mon so you can see this. Wiki mon on twitter and what we can see in this image is that we have the eight chosen children and their ultimate evolution. Partners will mega in the dub. So what we have here is what you'd expect. Wolfgramm come on metal gear on hercules. Be terry mon mike. Mon rosemont being teeny tiny up here and phoenix mon over here. We also have holy ramon. He'll which isn't too much of a surprise because she was also in the database. So that's not that's sort of fine and then if we look down over here at the bottom we can actually see a different digital era and this is actually go dream on who i always thought was panama. Fully evolved. foam is a child. Because and i know i've told this story lot on the podcast mentionable posted the full a cute. I had this little printout and it had all the evolution lines for the pot in a digital and Had hold ramon as tomlin's fully volt full and had him on had gone ramon or golden on as his fully vote foam a while ago. I posted a blog post. Which recently re uploaded to twitter just to show everyone but i did a little bit of research of time to try to determine why they will go on as the evolution end basically. I don't without repeating myself too much. It was because go dream on debuted a few months earlier before serafimovska in the kagame and was also in the just one game. So that's pretty cool. I like gojra wants design. He pot as well with holy roman. I like hey have holy. Ramon and ramon ramon answer off human. So i do like how we have a bit of an alternate evolution path there as well as having holy one because it's nice to have both with saying serafimovska ordeal exists when we have those flashbacks to the ancient times in the show. So it's kinda cool that we have go drawn coming up as well so it's not it's not sit digital ones fondly having more of these branching evolution pods which is just nice because digital and started. Its life isn't franchises. Being virtual pet with evolution pods and the anime never willie sort of had those so. It's not kind of those now. Another thing to note is that. I guess we're just putting yamato joe mamie koshiro and sora as side characters because the main focus is touchy he cari and tucker rue. So that's the thing so that's pretty exciting to get this different kiat especially because we have what i would assume to be gone from the fairly certain it's ramon. It's just nice to be there. Like design very cute. And i'm kind of wondering how will have gone on planes the anime. I'm wondering eve will have pegasus of dream on or will have had him on wolf evolve. I'm not sure or maybe we have had him on having a different evolution pasta. I know that's something that could be foodi cool and same with holly ramona. We going to have angel. Momma evolve into holy ramon or is town one going to warp of all. We don't know but in any case it's pretty exciting and yeah i'm just pretty. It's a shame that we don't seem to have any other evolutions. Full the other children like it would be. It would be nice to say maybe police mon or aband- show lemon or any other sort of alternate solutions but nielsen as you Grime on here or cresco ramones. So i don't know but anyway. I hope you get more of these split poff evolutions and makes me kind of excited for the rest of the show. Next up we have some federal pat news and this is. I'm not sure if this is something that i'll be able to access easily or have to import from the us but these other box designs from the us release of the digital monster x which was race in japan. And i really adore these boxes like they just look like the original boxes that i remember from my childhood with the digital on them like eve i can access them in. Get them easily. I'll definitely be picking them up but this is also kind of a surprising thing we know. The preorders showed up in asian stores bad year ago year and a half ago. But i didn't expect it to be a wide wider western release. I am checking. Ab games daily to see if they put up listings. I really hope that they do and usually begins a pretty good putting up the listings before anyone else in like he began to strike the arava. It puts him up before any other country even us us will announce a new but then will come up for preorder in australian stores. Much quicker than everything also. I'm checking daily. That's that's pretty cool. And i'm not sure of be exactly the same as the japanese release on. I would say they may have one slight thing. The weakness is that they are two digital on screen in that spot. That is a unless they just showcasing the coliseum mode which be weird but you can only have one digital at a time unless you used the backup functionality. Econ raise them simultaneously like account on the digital in twentieth. So that's a weird thing that The to sprites on the screen in that sticker. This is from the diddy navy. Which is the digital news navigation. Channel that Postal news Does a strange. They're always really bad so actually watch these live. There always off the ten o'clock my time. So i'm usually in bed by then because i'm a child and yes so i don't actually watch these live. This screenshot is actually from with the will so of course in addition to wiki mon giving us news thank you also to with the willfully giving us some news as well so yeah. That's pretty exciting. Also this showing off the wave three digital monster version twentieth and of course showing off the best show which is the watermelon green and pink. Shell my absolute favorite end next of course also from the will we have the scan of the booklet comes with the vbb release now. I haven't got my baby yet. Apparently band i has shifted to from japan and then once from japan have it out as soon as possible trying to cover it as much as i can. I have old Coming to me including shadow. Hal and black role. So that's going to be pretty cool. A hopefully unless they cancelled thin. I'm going to have to be hunting down sunbeam's anyway so this is from the booklet that comes with the bay and sort of outlines. The evolution pods four h. of the deems so festival. We have the impulsivity dam which comes with all the babies and it sort of shows us different evolutions and still the mock one is my favorite name. I don't think i'll get it because that's the bad k. One but i just love how it's cold them came on the which you just lazy person like this is just a lazy person that so much so we see all the evolutions hia including shock mon which i don't think shock wants his name but we have shock due to moan which is kind of weird. Because i'm like ninety nine point nine percent sure that the baby is not waterproof. So please do not swim with your baby in order to get this cool like straight shocks. Look man i kind of love him though. So that's cool Next up we have the ancient warriors. Dim which was packaged in with the special version. Which is the neon green version. Which is confusing like we have this color grain. Full the impulse city deem but that band is the one that comes with the ancient worries of it also comes the impulse city team but a is mainly it. The main door of it is it comes with base additional demon that the ancient lorries deem which was an instant by for me because it has awful stage. Ramon who is my favorite. I love him so much. That's why i got the giants jam figure of him. Love him good boy so we can say the evolution policy and we get done obame on which is kind of cool we get gold vedran we get the on revolutions including secretary mon. Which is that's that's cool is. That is that the one fox with such with the mental of courage right. I don't know. I need to consult my mental trash again anyway so we also have magnum on a bunch of cool vehement evolutions as well as of course our adorable vedran from then we have the dim gog set x. Did you want adventure ones. We have opened one in government. I hope that band. I will do me a solid end. Release them qods for all of the digital adventure costs like i would love appel mon one. Please band i. I have spent so much money on this franchise. You me this one. So of course we have gamonal volving gray mon. We also have ogm on evolving into our owes only just only one album on to interestingly. Also don debbie mon. So that's weird and of course we have middle tyrone. I love mental tara. Vitamin very excited that that thank you band. I as well as she don't own which again another one. I kind of liked to say there. Then we have on. We'll evolve to need hoban. That's still kinda cool also album on but just one album on warriors. Sage ramon a bunch of cool digital in also valve on so basically digital on that show up in adventure a- showing up on these teams so again please more of these please multiple plays at all i want and so that that's pretty cool and you can also say that there appears to be a job suon so this one without any connections to anything else. One would assume that you can show chris whether that will be you have to be with somebody else's Or if you have to have the same deem can you just joke with yourself. I don't know. I'm not sure busy information about that yet but i dunno yet. We also say that h comes with an area background of The impo city background ogm own background government background and the ice warriors background then is also another side of this which it is the volume one of the dim concepts which are volcanic bait and blizzard tang so mechanic bait have bovine mon from digital links while defending have blue carmona from karma but the night. It's the chinese. Dj on mobile game anyway so volume on has a bunch cool looking digital as well as mousa tyrone who i just remember from digital doesn't three which is great. That's all i remember. And of course candidate ramon which is an awesome looking digital and muslim too. So i'm getting some digital world two thousand three vibes from a lot of these with valve mont showing up on the one and moslem showing up and masato random on everyone showing up. it's great. I love the band is deciding to pull out these digital on that have not shown up much speaking of which we have diepen mon- showing up in the blizzard. Fang one. that's cool so we have come on. We have become once evolution on crescent moon from digital on digital story sunlight flam on moonlight had. Chris known think and diepen mon of course from frontier and also another revolution. Moose mon who i believe is hulk. One with the detrimental. Hope going to have to consult that shot anyway. We also have the special teams which all the trial ones the promotional dim cots. We have the black role one which is coming out with the preordered. The one from band premium bandwidth japan. It comes to the. I'm lisa and i'm coming months with fingers crossed and the promotional deem cod show. How which you had to enter a lottery. Which i forgot to enter. Because i'm silly so prickly nabbed one on from japan and basically what these have is they just have one single evolution path which goes from on black roll onto blackwell game on and on shadow. Halpenny mon to meddle room on and judging by what we have here. We have been information about jewish inca. And we do have the doc meghan. So maybe we have. We do have a job risk. That'd be cool so have you have the This from the same world in action and you can join us so that'd be so we can end han russian. Oh i did at this job. So that's cool. I was one hundred percents that was brokers but there is so we have a bit information about the boss missions. The verse doom cod. Which you can use to battle was so that's kinda cool and that also comes with the dim qods n. Yeah that's basically old news. 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Why Aren't There Any Let Ups?

The OjiFanboys

50:42 min | 3 weeks ago

Why Aren't There Any Let Ups?

"I'm rick lewis. go today. we're going to talk about disappointing enemies or just let downs in general but to to start this list allergy pick again. Does some good five last picked. I think we can kick it off with fairytale very deal. Yes tells a show that we can clearly seem like we enjoy right but we. It's not a great show. And i wanna point out. I'm not on the on the bandwagon. Fairytale heaters because i think a lot of people are not gonna hit on fairytale unnecessary hate. I think fairytale was actually good anime for what it is. Yeah the reason. I think it was a disappointment. Is because i thought it was going to be something else when it's like when fairytale came out. It was supposed to be next up in terms of the great shown. Yeah and i started reading fairytale in high school like well late just getting into like reading manga a lot so it was like sophomore junior type shit and like i'm reading you and say one piece. Fives like this. Coup curator's gray not soon. Everything's like anyone's really likeable them going like. I don't know something just like it's cool. It's not quite clicking here. And i think because when i started i was comparing it to. Let's say a narrow or let's say even a dragon ballsy all think about it probably is more comparable to a food wars. It's it's really in an early episode. We actually made that comparison to right and it's not supposed to be taken at it doesn't it doesn't even take itself seriously for the most concerned about the power scaling. And how things. Just you know the kind decent munger paris's own scaling because like they establish like these aswering mejia's and like the the ten great wizards and shit like that or like the four burs. Something like the this floor saints the forest. There's ten things and like the four super saints. Let's coleman super and like they suck they suck all besides macaroni. Macaroni guy he. He kind of late like toward the end of the show. He he kind of becomes eighty relevant. Like if you think about the the whole design if you think about deserve a far like when people that he's kind of he's weakened all these again. These guys are all stronger than the saints and all of them bull even before we get to that part like the whole day established this s rink was very bright and s rink wizard laxest guild darts redoing that right and like even jill he was he was s ring guild railroad and then i think they made it clear at some point they'd be mentioned that s ranking does not invested year like no. That's not for me. I really had any more clear clinton more even and so one day they are so julia she's astra there could have been s franken fairy tale and everything like that but then they just kind of a abandoned the title did it didn't matter they. What would it look. What were you thirsty for. This title doesn't mean anything was 'sarin great. Thank you meyer. Jane and it's weird because at certain points show like towards the end. They kind of acknowledged that not stronger than says at some point somehow gray. Ab situation or something or but they've never been in her right so it was like at some point they just kind of taken that was the strongest factor strongest. When do we stand with this. It's like this is a lot of loose whole if you to keep the key disappoint for me. Once i accepted it for it was not a disappointing but initially when i thought it was going to be a traditional shown in top tier battle even on the fight. Choreography was create from me. Right so like. The animation weird's the power. Scaling was weird. The story was so it was. It was good for what it was. I still enjoy fairy tale. I read every chapter like what. I'd never watch it absolutely right. It's an important like i. I watched parts of like the last season right just to see some things happen but even like right does didn't didn't hit the way i wanted to. Kids will never hear about until so let's say for in i would impair it. Carry onto the next generation. I'll say punch man season. Two was a disappointment. Undo it season one. You know. I'm standing by be tier rating upon punch man season. Two makes it even harder for me to say that as bt in fact it exposes what when when you take things away like excellent animation. What what is one punch man with. A you think epa so meeting season two drops it below the beat here actually in all right. Maybe that's a bit strong. Maybe the be minus at best was because the story is a little stronger but still like i don't understand the motivations of the characters that are introduced and stuff like that. Well yeah. I think. I think the difficult part is one punch man. Basically relies on the support characters like the premise is supposed to be like ha ha. It's like a joke character and then build the world about pork. We see a lot of things because he's one punch man. Saitama really doesn't show up until the end so it's like what was good about season one like i really like in season one was on limitless writer doing his best to fight the seeking right like a strong emotional moment for me like i was feeling all infidelity. And i don't get any moments like that and season to this time you're supposed to even have like the guy who was on and i just because he looks like on i. I tried to feel attachment on track. But i think that was just part of comedic relief like so many real looking at it is just give them smackdown. Yeah and you know. What sucks i really. Like the villain. You wanna like him because like this story socks. Like the whole. The whole his backstory on why he loves villas is kind of weak sauce. It's super weak sauce. It's like oh i felt i saw the villains. They were saying like i saw. They were saying bad things about villains. I just wanted to be controlling. Not that old like superheroes a superficial and boastful like is like. It's a commercialism society so he won't turn it on his head like a like a my hero like my here. Yes oh yeah euros. A key literally just like like i was tired of the heroes being and i guess i don't know if that's part of the comedic relief or part of the dow's there was no comedic relief and you knew that was just kind of you know let me. Let's try to set this foil to saitama. Where he's like the quintessential hero and the for like. Let's have a quintessential villain like. He's only doing a headache. Villainy for hobby almost and honestly. I wouldn't even preferred if he was just pure bad guy. He just wanted to be a bad guy late in previous pockets. When we're talking about philly. They tried to do. They tried to give him a backstory. They talked to give them a story. So you could relate to or or even if you can't relate to. They might like a fallen hero. The fall 'cause he was training under like bang the flooring rock style. You know what. I mean right. But like honestly like the way they set up the he would have just been better as a simple bad guy. The in terms of he was training. He decided he wanted to he wanted to. He's a you know. He ran out of strong. He ran out of strong villains to fight so he wants to fight. Guys boom. Who wants to do anything he could he could have done. Better could have been. It could have been way better executed and actually really liked that character. I want it just when they did the backstory on why he wants to be a hero. Yeah this is kind of weak and it's like all right so they'd twitter ended punch man season to killing it. They took him away right. Garwe later gardner tournaments tomlin been missing for most of the season and then comes in and he kills this insignificant thing and they try to. They try to have an add some significance of the story. But it's like okay. Like he believed kills some random monster with no importance. I guess it shows how much areas and everyone else billing. We already know a hard tone regarding things we were let down. You feel like we don't want to drag you now. We just wanna like awareness to why we don't like these things. Yeah so again. I still think one point man. Stay in the beat here. It's gonna be two i wasn't. I'm not keen on a season. Three anymore i was i was if he on putting it on the letdown list but ricky convinced me and we can you convince yourself. I am wholly convinced i was not pleased mris. Yeah i really wish like if you were gonna get the same type of commitment from the animators. Director wasn't madhouse. the i remember like what. What production did it. I fully if you can't get that same commitment. I understand why jas j. c. staff the people that did all like food wars and then picked it up which like. They'll take anything now. I can't complain about who looks amazing food wars but like this is like john like like you're not gonna expect someone to be drawn extr extremely warrior. That's how they approached the same type of giant with one touch season too. I feel you know. Yeah and i think even even seasoned one handling it wasn't just well able ebeling detail like line. It is. Yeah it was like cool looking shit like you could take any random punch man. Put them as main protagonist antagonise. I'm going to defend this. Is mike my small defense. Little season two is just it was going through the wringer like switch studios last director. Delay like so many times. And want to hear that. When you're gonna watch on watch shades. They have to put something out but this is what happens in patient art but another down. We're fans we hardly. We really like watching and saw feeds zero amazing to us. It's amazing to us fade. Apocrypha was fucking. It was too. It is but i enjoyed it in terms like the fight. Stop and didn't care anything about the story. Right matchups really cool to where it was gone really and i really liked the characters. They're like the. What was the the spear the red spear not the all. Oh redlands karna. Karna aren't literally. She liked it. I think they could have done better. Because achilles my favorite he did really good. We have model nor phantasm on phantasm right. But these aren't defeats shows were disappointed. Fee krant order which is a mobile game you know. Yeah so if it's a successful mobile game you know what's going to have his own and but like the way to start. I think this is like the last part of the mobile game. Yeah and i think it was. Just it was weird because this simple way to put it as this was one of the only fates where i wasn't really looking forward to the next episode i was just gonna get through like he actually tried to finish it. But i just got blown to the wayside for me calvin i. I only have like a couple of episodes of life to recover. Managed to finish it props to you. You know at night if left. I was like anymore. There was an. I'm not gonna. This moment is always feel for the most part always be. Well john i feel right. Well as it's very structurally sound that. Your intellect super there was some cg right but if you into like super unique ourselves. I guess it lags a lot of a lot of the character. Structure a reused. You don't really even then like They did louis rental. Because i mean character and like fades day night day louis. Use her herber her being right and just put an end the personality in her right and this one us okay with that and a lot of stuff is it all looks structurally sound. It always looks good. Another thing like they did have like that first episode to china of explain things but then they skipped last part and having other. They're going to have like the king the camelot. One that's coming out as animated. Hopefully they do better on that. I think that should be really interesting. Yeah because it's like it's like the female is going to be mailed. This time it's not our to pendragon can be hurt their pendragon. Oh are they going back to fix that. I don't has fixed because this is like you know. Gender really doesn't matter as the is how whoever you remembered by you know stupid. Things like how this is fake granddaughter granddaughter. You go to like the time. What are they going to fix. I don't care some sort of singularity to happen in camarillo. We're going to fix the author thing. All the disciplines. No that's not. I don't think that's the issue is supposed to be on toria issue. Okay think by nature fate because there's like multiple pathways and shit like that you can have like a meal. Arthur pendragon versus arterial pendragon. And it just doesn't make sense because by nature what titan moon is an verse so that does is like a quick thing. We want to say that disappointed us. tokyo ghoul. Told me in. let me tell you. I love tokyo. Google season one. I really did and the way and it was just like so satisfying and they had you wanting more But then season two game season three game season. Four cam even the moggy cows. What the hell are you doing bro. Season two is that where he doesn't follow the maga. The is into the where they captured him and he loses memory he becomes the other guy by the end of season. Two was the end of the season to bro. I was. I was still there season to season to start there. But it's just like 'cause. I read the manga to alongside in seoul in the manga. He makes his own little group versus joining like the tree was a call. I'll give you two years versus like joining the other goals. He makes his own group. And you know like heated. You don't see he die like that. Would i read it so they they explain how hedy still alive whether the keep him in which would Together orange hair. The best. The best friend i think he i think about how you lease on. Well he never actually. I think he didn't actually dial disfigured face could because he's supposed to eat. He ate part of him so he can fight. Amman amman. what's his name was still cool. Guy name could train comedy and what's his name a good name. I'm new talk look at because it's going to come here. I think one of the key things about tokyo ghoul is like it just had such a great buildup on the story was going it was it was really even though it was confusing. The story was coherent and then and obviously like the initial late. When at the end of season two when they kind of switch over and like tonoki keys. I guess brainwashed her whatever anytime to the other guy keishu arima arima. Yeah so like. I think at that point is like okay. This is a confusing part of the enemy. But you can bring it around with the story and they try to help you build up and get attached to his team and the people around but like the the allegiances switch so quickly and like you're expected to just kind of accept so many things happened in the background right except that whoever 'send type targets is he was just like working in favor of both human and goal world right and then like people after they lost. The war just went to their other lives. Xyz blah blah blah. And like there's plenty onto how that happened the way draining. They were trying to kind of incorporate. That reza still much. A factor into show right. It just felt very forced to me and then towards the end these lot of powers keep escalating. That august is fine as part of the tokyo. Gold nature bill it just cottonwood kinda keep became like that building eater thing. Yeah and it's just like this isn't that that's not what the show should've done. It's awful. I felt like a skill too much for what it was doing before. Honestly i feel like if they just kind of started back some like the middle of season two and we did it. I think it would have been a lot better. And i didn't read the manga. So was the main any better. No no was. That's how it ended whatever so and so we move on. Yes we put bottle up here and you guys. I was like the like. I rolled my eyes and i borrow because i look naruto damage. That's why i don't like to put things. The disappointment remember. It just means that they didn't meet expectations. And what calling things inherently. They weren't as good as we thought they were going to be. That's all and i don't think anyone who actually watches borough or veto would argue that. It's not as good as you thought it was gonna be. Yeah that's exactly what happened now whether you think it's bad or good that's another conversation but it's definitely not as good as you thought it was gonna be. I don't think it's bad at the end of the day. Like percents like those cool things like animated. But i do read it monthly. I read a monthly. I'm coming back and you to know what's happening next. And it's good enough to keep them coming back until they kill all too. I'm coming back until they call on even just like how you can justify out. I also don't think you should naruto as because it shows called boto naruto next generations but his they i think they they kind of have to this point now one is supposed to be about born until right but to for it to be about borough till you need a villain. Artaud can't be now. This is this is all our i could talk about. Wives led down. You're gonna make me thing like how i think. Should've i think now it goes back to like naruto hanta under kogyo and things like that. I think there were too strong by the end of narda but they even if like now to stay as strong as the kagi he should not be so involved with all these little problems. You know unless it's an actual big problem. That's when he steps into the little problems get involved in show designed to the one where he goes to the kid on the train just that was supposedly an important mission it. That's what i'm saying is just like the whole car. A is should be a sense of a last on defense right right and it's just a card that they use too often. I feel all year. I think i don't think that he gets into what they bring. They bring the trouble to the village to easily because yeah like if if if the day attack the village so obviously he's not going to be somebody else figure it out. But that's the thing is we're used to that kind of happening with the previous ocala's cartier. Before he also use much older end we can save the four four kagame. It was like he was there. So there's that's the difference. I like age and like situations sometime back boss-like snotty by nature who she is she. Couldn't i just stipends her job to solve the problem right. I feel like the generation of ninja. They should be to some sort of par. Kasha generation should not be such as the generation compared to like nautilus generations. And one of the one of the. I think one of the things that exemplify that is how did my some hamas whole dirt here at i to explain why is he so bad. Why does he's not good. Why does he monkey like like if you think about it right so like i seen him use. I'm assuming he he can summon like dumb because he's someone small told i know he has a toll contract will contract but also we know it's possible to have met contract views scape. Does he has the hockey. And listening contrary. And he has. And i know he has all five elements right. So you think about on paper. Cool hamas right here all five elements he can do a wind infused russell gone. He could no. So that's another thing. They on all wilbur. Ross are not the same thing. So i understand because toes like i don't even think that's iraq because remember when they introduced like the one ross and gun in yamato did and did that big against kaku ask off so it was like know bortles as a pure ross interrogation and then there's a win style right and then north hoses. The russian sure again with the big explosion. Whatever and then he just puts a win style in his regular. Ross gun to make a bigger explosion. Is you just do automatic. Hang on he can't only people like crazy amounts of chocolate so bharata can't even do. Both the reason why broke kroto has when he can't do big like even his regular russ gun is not as it's like a small small rattling kokochin's is bigger than because he doesn't have the which is so weird because they gave him all the talented world. He's the son of hugo and it was a monkey but he has he has little chocolate users and i get. You can't give them talent and talk rubber like why. Why like they have no reason for him to have low chalker. I mean that's the attempt to like a power scaling. Which i do you guys know. Enjoy power good clean cut power scaling but like not already done that away so the fact that they're trying to reestablish like is heartwarming. But you know we go into the mongo. But the main problems will be olszewski's these god here type creature these people only noto and sausage able to fight but they've introduced them to the point where you have to get a bunch regular characters and i think it's such a terrible job in Maintaining the old characters beside rock li. Like if you think about it none of them besides no one besides schick amaru sacre and rock lee became joni side was size is head of on. i guess that's facto. Joe real quick you know. Cuba is a piece of shit. Because you can't dream to be whole kagame. Not even become joining on. He was just talking. All of the ship laying lose my god least respected him to be like talker but had some talent like still can if you think about it like obviously tons of jones but like talking about this at least one of the strongest in the village theoretically right there's hundreds of them in there so he's obviously important right in the show you got fucked in. His hobby lapped everyone in naruto generation. Pretty much and alisa whole last january and the other to like an on team. Oh aghia would on. I don't remember isn't it. But the snot nosed kids not knows navia. He he lapped l. To and i did. It is a time of peace. You know wanting to go to her shop to open the flower shop and choji but she's also like head of like community. But just not jimmy nepotism. They're trying to bring back the importance of janine title right but the now generation to generation where he was stylish. they're all literal war heroes. Yes exactly to war. Heroes bro and i even have the accolades choji. Especially because he went onto the saskia retrieval thing. And he's like he he gave more until on pain and show you know so has like a good resume. No freaking stop the ten tails no better better resume now for real. Her like a lot of people are getting smoked like the whole chicago. They also joining period. Yes as at least specialized johnny. Yeah it'd be like uncle johnny. An even on an ebola suits like a special joanie right which specialized in teaching play. That's the interesting thing special right. Like he was even good ed pro. I mean how that title eat noto started training. Losing good teaching naruto regular students like he talked corner. Hamlet lot homily every frigging has. Let's go back to disappoint. Guarantees has all five. Nature's told contract. My god women broken down can duel he can. He can do the win nature he can do. A win a natured. Ross and gone right for some reason keeps getting spanked by like not even main villains like people like say judo. Because you goes a problem bro. Kona hammoud navigating spanked by dougal. Shouldn't oh but that's what i'm saying here like. That should be dashed. Been like a test themselves. Shielded the got that much better. When he was a kid he just older not that much stronger right so if you think about it he he hasn't been like it's another thing. Judo or like is controlled. No like he. He lost the he loses control. That's what happened. He lost control and like because something in the water. Something he lost control phrase like there's something in the water and like able to stop him with a rustling with the because his his gun huge it put like they have to pay off the screen and they see okay right here got one of those but like that's the one style yeah right after he knocked them out after he knocks him out like he passes out from the exhaustion or like. He's always doing some ancient. What like literally half of his a one person late in the more recent series. He's the one. He's the one kid that actually they are. I had high hopes for him and hobby. Actually kinda shift the story and canabis the only one that's consistently shown his real you see her shirt but she's never taken elle's like he has okay. She don't take keep taking these disrespectful. Something we gotta like accounts work. That's really cool book akashi. He didn't tell me that. Does the pain is not an l. I don't care. Pain is nothing else does wrong. Those are going to the teammates for it to a does not taken in l. versus pink limited. People does not take that out So then if you take on even the most recent one. He was with his friend and like he was on the run. Some these botts like this often when you say but you mean actual robots due to. What is this. Show this show. It was a mistake. Same way adamy was mistake. Ninja tech was of the state and then they got to the thing that gave and this side character back from the war with like a mechanical arm. Our yes now out. Yea is eight. No down when i read that shit. I was so mad. I was like this dude is. Let me be generous. Let's say fifty years bra. He looks one hundred fifty years old cripple ephemeral disabled for you know we're all a able people like able to visit the. How do i wanna put it on bbc right now fuck it On surreal like we. We don't support this as everybody should have the opportunity to succeed every time attack now. Disabled prosthetic or not. But we're talking about an marion. Home should be able to cola hammer. Should be able to be more bro. Because even the ninja the prosthetics take chaka takes chocolate and so cuomo hamou should have above average talker reserves. Well we're well above average from being like the sars louisiana just trainees he can make. How many skinny make all in terms of canon. i think he only makes like five non canon. He does the multi vehicle. Yes so he and i was a kid. He did multi yes. I'm assuming as an adult. He can make at least touch her and tons usually granted. He was a little tired. And if like whatever and also don't even make that much anymore. That's what i wanna hear. Who are making wonderful task at the end of the day. He got koroma's arms. You gotta you need. Yeah but but if you think this is weird. Scene who struggle against these average asked people people know athletes to them bro. He should be like if you think about his age like he's like a good five to ten years. Older than naruto was at the end of opponent. I think literally if you take away you take away the the special duties and ninety hills. I think nautilus thanks now told. Yeah we have to now we have to but he becomes a really just in job by the end of the show and obviously as you can see in in this one. Call me garden bottle bottle. Like not using. She'd like the muddle. The manga like not san science. Bro' literally you saw the enemy of my figure of like something what i liked them just like a positive on that his fighting style was just like can't really use like a lot of hand styles so hints to do his fighters like no hanson raw. Thank eh one hand sand restaurants you can don't send them often right and i think we need duty was someone is do hands lines. I i don't. I don't get like dick affect the kona hammer gave him all these abilities just to let them fail all the time but aaron. We've we've kind of detracted from why. Why why why corn on was a disappointment. But that's part of it. That's a big one. That's no is part of it because it's like you have these characters that we care about so much naruto right into a crossing over into the next generation to have them like not up to snuff and to like you know to have the children. I understand that the situation will surpass the like all right so bus. Pass soup the previous one issue like that. And that's like a thing in narrow torn geno but not not as early. They just the the old. Even if i could justify you guys on and be like okay. Peacetime allowed to retract really frustrating. So so we move on those bringing and anyone is hearing kuna hamrouche. Enough interest are our last less down for this episode. We'll be bleach and let it be known. We are bleach fans. We absolutely love liege. But we see that bleach when the big three were were beach. False in comparison to now tone peace and everything that came before and after it. And i wanna put out that. We're not even the hugest one piece fans. We're not the huge. I'm not. I'll i'm not going to put bleach over one piece but i'll watch youtube before again to like really insight won't be. It's like that does this me. Personally i mean. I know when pieces better but i know mozart was better than like lever publicity losing. That's actually perfect. And i don't think. I know improve seemed like i don't care too much. I stopped probably stop watching one piece of what i read it. I read won't be like chapter the chapter in chile. I'm up to date and everything. And i still feel like not that. I'm not saying won't be disappointment. It's just this is how we feel about like bleach right now. So we'll let's let the lovely pointer. It's too long for me. i don't. I don't think there's long way too long. Do you have the same enthusiasm to when pieces. He did before. Oh i never had to hide much. That i had a lot of when it was on like when it was new when i was very new to me. That's when i really cared about one piece. I'm not gonna lie. That's ninety team. Song really did something. It wasn't to nominee for kids to ninety-one needed we had the rap has definitely forgives bro. Dream don't give it a blue onto ninety two. I don't has taken definitely. That's plead when okay okay. I didn't know that. Because i don't even remember it gets to us. It's definitely the desolate will definitely playing when it was on. But i think that's just the fun mason. We're trying to talk about bleach. Even talk about it because it's so is to talk about bleeds because you know it starts off very strong in oil and shot my sister for putting out to police. She's the person who come out to wish. I think to just slipped on youtube we saw was no. I was watching bleach early. 'cause i remember watching your fight warm before. Okay all right. Yeah so bleed starts off create interesting concept you know especially if you're you coming from like watching jaka show you know you have spiritually aware teenager. But he's like reluctant to go into it. He wishes he doesn't have his powers. Which after a while we forget that was the thing about each year very like he just wanted to be a normal kid that he wanted. That was the thing he really would just wanted like live normally even though like obviously that's boring for like wada reader watcher whatever and interestingly where it's interesting that you bring that up because his character fluctuates alive on the show because he goes from. Yeah i just want this to be regular too. I love each go when i love to fight. Yeah and what happened in between. We'll we'll i like not even like this. Is larry so he. He attained power to lie to protect us and save his friends. Which is very admiral. Shonen thing to do especially shonen main character to do but then when it comes to like Erin car arc. And wakeham airport where he's just like he becomes the same essentially and just this battle. Hungry dude become stronger. After every fight every time is on the verge of comes night that much stronger and children give it to groom john. Maybe he awakened something in him. Because that's really the first time we've seen each. Yeah we is this like know on fighting. Yeah and you could say maybe. That's the whole location. Form this kind of taken. Over and china foreshadow him like that part of him taking over but either way they either way you start to see a change in his character. Nine mullet growth inconsistency. I'm going to call and consistency because at the end of the day. You're in shonen jump as a shonen jump main character. You gotta be jude. A static thing into show right. You'd almost of the you grow. Do things you develop experiences name that but like what is going on is still the guy who is reminiscent episode of the last. But like the guy who's represented. He needs up now. Let's pray for him as as the main character and a shonen manga anime. You're your personality. And your your determination is the most consistent thing that's supposed to be in the show right and the fact that you can change from being disrespected person. The buddha reluctant hero to like an actively a person who's actively seeking combat. It's just a turn. I don't appreciate it just happens. Really fast happened really fast and unannounced. It's just like does it now. You know it should have been like usually get a. I want to jump into rate. He's talking about how much he jumped in wanted to save so much. That was his before he wanted to save rukia right and then all of a sudden i want to fight. You just saw alec ously some violence. Yeah okay okay. Not even bef- was before. If i ever like oh cure shows up and then he shows a oh. You're before i got this you know and then lay. It didn't seem like he was despairing in a situation at kyoto's going back to quote unquote four strongest. But it seemed like ours will just just more challenges ahead. Yeah which is a shonen thing. But i assure you spend all that time azam saying like what's supposed to be the real concern here you know 'cause if each goes like just like i'm just trying to say my friends take human you dip right and then and then in the middle of the fight where he gets the advantage. He's like yeah wants to be fair fight. When did all before were trying to win the for interrupting against john like the are you hit anything gets forty eight. Get out of it. It just seemed like you. Know homeboy t to kubo was reading like hunter and he really liked gone. Gone gone gone right there. Goku gakushuin edison goal was aguirre pointed of view. Yeah yeah he would give opponents fucking sensor beans you yon- over the central being does completely recovers you versus almost hit on what you don't want a sense of being does welcome to anime completely recovers. You doesn't matter. They end like you're full for the next ten days. Lie so i forgot about your fool for the next six workable. Yeah so he'd be popping like three a little problem sensitive problem. But i digress. Going back to like another disappointedly says you said he. Rescues goes to society rescue year the next arc before we talk like we can arc and leeches like this. So society visors aaron car. We can lower the next major plot. Point is like he goes after his training to. Its doesn't go after his training to get where he may get your power train get rukia new powers train. Get where he right the same exact thing. Yeah it's very repetitive. The only reason that i still like it because it allows you to introduce allies the soul society and get a new depth to his relationship owning right so i think those are the two things that i really forced his originally. I did right but upon reading that part of the manga and like my girlfriend telling me she was saying that the enemy the enemy made it seem forced in terms of because before that in the mainga it showed all the time. He used to spend huge she she. She's a big on like our. He may fan right. We used to hang out and watch anime mangled together. It's been that time together so if you think about it the way the manger the where if you watch the main good you would think that rookie is his main love interest instead of rather than just being like a really data mother. Watch the animated. It's like the guy sitting rookie is like the main love interest rather than just a really good platonic friend that gave him the powers. This help people. Yeah and it would make him think that the overheating things are nowhere when it was the whole time. It was no question if you if you if you're reading the manga. That's one thing that they did poorly. Okay on repetitive. Story was it gets a little time just like call on this time. We're going to do if a guy yet and she'd a it's literally the same shit like Power scaling leached is complete. Started off like have something and then it just kept introducing new characters one after every other of you different types of powers that youtube is going to have all these powers. Right bringing in his inauguration of all these things right like you bring in the elite guard. Right these guys are stronger than everyone in the society where we're when all this shit was happening. Yeah yeah the kings squad zero then forget a model. They are not strong enough. All our taxes are stronger than them. Now Yeah it not to mention the captain commanding smoke. That hurt i mean also laid. That's like one thing with the reboot. It's going to be cool to see these things happen. But that's all it is. It's not like i care about the story of a fan service of seeing lake. Toshio is my favorite character. Seeing him dues. Four hours spunk. Seeing paci get as october with a name and a bunk. Because we've been dying to see here. Seeing harrah's bangkok with the house. Sushi does a his moncayo of seeing say get hers on pocatello like urine. She has the final form of persian shinco. And stuff like that. This really cool. But the leveling one of the paris game just doesn't make sense to me anymore and you're judging along it overworked rebe which after awhile you keep powering up the villains to allow the heels to get more prominent one thing i did like i liked the full bring work because i know a lot of people didn't like into like everyone's week. Whatever it brought like reality and consequence said thing is like you're only human. You can only be so strong you can only do so much battle right you know you. Can't they only five five hundred. No like this is your human body. You can't fight like that anymore and so that was refreshing to me. I really liked. That was probably one of my favorite arkansas into show. Yeah that was that was definitely a good is supposedly brought a lot of structure into this show it reintroduced souls like for me. Personally i would have loved. The bleach ended like eagles. This powerful gear and she fades away. That's like last chapter like some type showed. That would satisfy me like the bring brought in a way. I enjoyed it. But then they immediately reintroduced it pirates. And that doesn't mean anything anymore because being human is not strong enough. Yeah okay lesson yet. that's exactly what happened. Don't hate bleach. honestly you could even save. You made it on. This list is because we liked the enough to think that you were going to we. Yeah we lake every anything actually did not like honestly no i liked. I told you like boito. I don't i like not so much that i will if we can sit. Aye stomach if we consider. No bortles part of naruto. Yeah so that's why it's like being let down is not the worst thing in the world you know. It's like you know that you did good on a test and then you get up. Damn i didn't do as hot. That's what these are. And so that's okay. That's okay here. Not everyone's going to be the not everyone and it shouldn't be the jason nice to have various phases hughes tears. We could these things real quick. Because i don't think we tear on tokyo goal. Plus i think he to lower. I'll try to be nice. 'cause i realize yeah. Okay i'll give it. That is strong enough to like you know. I can't feel we already know where you feel about one. Punch man fine be minus. Maybe a fake granddaughter order buffet. It's not we are. We know if it's not. We just like yeah. Whatever we had ever think that lord lord over very till we didn't tear fairytale sleek c b b minus can give. You can give me an. I'll give it a c. Plus i wanna the sixty plus i so i was just saying let me let me let me take a step back. There's love there's not. I really did. Like i read every chapter fair though doesn't mean you don't read every chapter for something that long. I do wanna see something as fairy tale anything else that loan that you would because those where i'm a masochist i'm like are constantly just like go through shit just to say you can even finish fifth grade order. I could not go home. Look at the trying to saga me. I'll give you the plus b. minus because it'll be nice because i really liked the power ups and some as news. Brough lightning finding dragon. Come now i'm thinking is devil slayer bro fucking fly. Among it way better. I showed you the longer the i really like that. I really liked the lightning fire dragon because losses could have put him down and he was like nelson. You put up with that. We've tiered please. We actually gave a but it's still you can get a good grade and stuff. Because he was supposed. Yes big three. Who throw you were supposed to be in the victory like come on. There's nobody in. A victory is not a cancelled to be part of something called. They cancelled like going now. 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#333  Sex With Trees

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#333 Sex With Trees

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Katie with moore as always is my night. A shiny chuck. The ones are the rescue. My favorite plus covered Mr se it's going on sure. Yes we are coming to. You live from rural thirty four studios keep katie radio dot com radio. Chaos dot net new. Who i think he's gonna find you tonight. Okay then again. I d say that every time and now you're saying that every time yeah eventually it's going to be an endless loop words let to mirror everything happening and happening. I can't let it not. Haven't we have a new porn pick of the week. We have new tips man and yeah a lot of other fun stuff except for not so fun. I got into i Finder bander. Yeah couple days ago sure expert. Driving say i'm a woman. I wasn't gonna say that wasn't going to say that. Oh please i'm not asian. Oh god wow see what you. You've you've just really sorry sorry. I don't you know what though we've talked about this before in florida. There aren't that many asian people so it. It's never been a stereotype for me. Like you know what i mean there. Just aren't that many asian people that live in florida compared to other states like california. Then you know there is lying one and oh no no. I'm not saying that they did that. There are absolutely there are but not in the same kind of numbers that you know other people see but in other places like like there was nobody to say well so so they don't tell dr what are you talking about. What do you mean. I don't ever see an asian person other owed. So i don't know what you mean. All right anyway. Yes but i do want to thank everybody out there. That checked up on me and as far as okay. Yeah so. I appreciate it. That's very useful. Thank you yes. I'm fine it might help. If you just out don't diddle as you're driving pretty good idea sometimes. You just need to get through traffic. You get stuck on a bridge. It fucking sucks for sure for sure for sure so you made it out piece. Yes car didn't know but you did. It's important yes. Oh sorry i'm alive. I was shaking like a leaf though. I was freaked the fuck out. Where even the girl ramp so cautious like are you. Okay are you okay. Fine she's like. Oh your car like yeah. There's nothing wrong with their car. Except they had a broken back bumpers a. Yeah well next car is going to be one of those pretty solid. I don't know it was kind of a tin can mobile. The science aren't exactly you know heavily. I love that car though. Well did press tad's as i said. Yeah it's gone now now. Kind do a better place all right though the red rocket And i'm very very thankful to have it. Oh jeez brake job and thankful that. I know someone who knows how to do all that mainly type shit that happened. Take it to mechanic so instead of it costing like grand. I don't know that it would cost that much at for some brake pads really. It's not that complicated. I mean it really means you fixed my ac before and you've done a bunch of shit. Yeah we was here again. It's not if it's not that hard. I if it requires you know the level of jehovah goes off and fucked at well. you know. it's all hard for me. So i have considered fixing the damage that you did this. I on and then. I thought well if i had like a garage i would. I would do it in a fucking garage and just work on it. Yeah because it's still rolled. It's still drove you. Just you out the top and You know said fenders from and the suspension was fine. See if all of that stuff would have happened down south. I would have had about five friends. Like i want it. I want to forego that was. Yeah but you know if you don't have like a spot to like tear apart a car for weeks on end. I mean it's you know. Yeah you gonna do. I know being real man's stuff. Let's go to my favorite segment of might not be the porn. It would pink katie wine. It's time once again funding. Okay so my porn pick of the week. It's really it's it's like men with power. What i mean is like really passionate. Seductive shit like like played like Leukaemia have a guy crab the girl and just like grammar army to hold it out and then just start like kissing her really slowly. Oh it makes me. Oh my god my fucking nipples are getting hard just even thinking about it. It's regressive sacks almost you've almost rotated back into a lake softcore just slightly aggressive old school ninety s softcore part but then but then i mean it really turns into some some strong kind of violent fucking. you're going like total fifty shades. Easy no no. No no no no. I'm not talking about would be smacky. Okay do they actually do if he smacky. And that fucking thing. I don't know i've never seen it. Hey do or okay. Yeah even pops then while balls upper two. But that's that's it. There's a lotta lead up to that. I'm sure there's some crabby. Whatever you're talking about there is got that kind of vibe to it. At least there is the trailers that i've seen. No no no there is so i don't know that's been kinda and and also people having sex with strangers. Okay like you know I meet somebody on a train and then out of issaquah bathroom then go their separate ways kinda like. That's that can be fun and it's one of those things you know if you're smart you just don't even ever really talk about like never happened. And that's the kind of the cool thing. I don't know that just said that dad turns me on or because my friend. She told me the story she she was on a flight she was going somewhere. And it got Got cancelled and it was going to pick up the next flight that anyway whatever. She had to stay overnight so they put her up in a hotel. She met some dude when there are waiting in the terminal and he was taking the same flight. He's like launches to stay in my room and then she's like yeah she goes. We talked all night at it was awesome and then that was it an of after that. That's always a good setup when you're actually out of town like that because then it is completely anonymous like really. I don't even remember your name. I have no idea who you are completely city so really. I'm not gonna run into you. Ever i mean the odds are. I can't do that anymore though. You know why yeah sure. What no we're not doing that. Oh we yeah. But i'm saying like if i if i went somewhere by myself. I'm not going to be like oh like i said we're not doing all right. I thought i thought we were doing that. That was happening. I'm sorry i've been. I've been well you know if i remembered i. I don't know what i've done all right. You smell like old ladies bathroom talking crazy. Who did you work for my father. Yeah exactly let's not get crazy. I mean you could guarantee. That's one thing i i won't jay one. Yeah i just never will now. No because i don't want to jail ever like for any reason. I don't care how much it puts these being thrown at me. No i am not doing that. Negative not while. I am in your house doing where now smoke but speaking of that will put you in jail. That was one of the questions that i put on. I put on facebook before. I got in trouble again. Let me just suggest that real quick help you. It's been a thing you know about able or whatever for different reasons really. This was a show announcement. Silenced this is this. Is this show announcement that from six years ago About my show on with the other guy. Yeah the fatman and it. It had a had my old law. Go on it but It was just a silhouette like one of my very first ones. It was just a silhouette of a girl. Yeah explicit nothing explicit. Nothing nothing nothing. The logo of the actual show right like king. Sex talk with dirty girl can get around it and was it was just like said what time we're going to be on. What number to call if you want to call the show and i got. I got kicked off for a week for six feet from six years ago. It's the dumbest thing that you know. It's their club. They read their rules like you. They've made themselves very clear kind. It's it's because i adjusted my preference. We don't like that. It could be here yet. A lot of the things a lot of things that happen to you. I think that there there are like hateful people online. They go and report things. That aren't you know what i at least. That's my theory. I don't know here again. This isn't a part of my life really what happens to you. Facebook does not seem like a place to be at all to me. Not not the least bit. I'm sure i'm sure it's great. You can talk to people cool Understood but you know people get wild. Yeah i mean people talk about twitter. But at least i can see some fucking titties girl. Second day. I don't have to like listen to people bitch about things. I can literally just follow some horror. That's traveling the country sucking de she goes. Johnny is vol. There's more than that. There's all kinds of show might tests all the time. Yeah this is what i'm saying. I can choose to like stay away from the other. Parts of twitter kicked off twitter facebook on the other hand. There's no boobs there. I don't like their is they're literally. There's nothing there for me i. there's no adult content. i would now i want. I want adult things. That's you know. Yeah i wanna told stuff dealt staff. I've lived this long to stuff the rewards. That's really you. Want to be a little sledding little hussy and put it out there which i do. Yeah well here again i i may may follow you on twitter here every once in a while. That's if i remember look what her. But if i'm going to. I'm watching all seconds. Egg often. Sure that's right. Slava dobbs alton my goodness. So my i have been extremely horny lately. So this is. I think i'm in my mind. Cyclical you know. Moderately horny You get a few days where you don't want ass a month a few days. Yeah then your mind moderately horny the rest of the mouth. And then there's a super hyper hardiness. That happens for a week or so. Oh yeah well. It's you're like wanting to hop on like the couch. And i do anything you're rub it on stuff. It had it well. It's it started. Because i already i kind of had a total digital fest today. Okay and then we fucked. Yeah and then. I'm still i'm ready to fuck like saddam's go like. Oh yeah let's. That's what. I was doing the brake job. You're you're you're doing a gentle out. Yeah okay and then you got laid. When i got back yup. Okay i got to them out. But but even my dreams have been affected lately. Because of it i will because of the stress of the car accident. It's kind of kind of makes me think a crash. But i know got injured so it didn't make me horn. I think it was the shock and a horror of it all to fred. Buy cars fog job. It rattled me. Okay aired me really bad or share. You realize that when you're in the car you're not actually enrolled rule. Yeah stuff can happen right So every really freaked me out and then it made me really morning. I don't know what triggered but like like the adrenaline lady butter. You just got a little lady motor. And i got a fair lady about her. You're exactly you're fucking. Your mortalities been called into question and immediately you want to go banging baggy beef. Yeah i guess so your life flash before your eyes there. I really could be Oh god then like friday. I oh i had a dream that i really came in my dream and it was fucking like i mean who was a. You probably did real life. That no i did. I came my dream. And i completely got a wet dream. Oh i totally did a bit of moisture. Moya's voice pregnant back bringing it back. Pancakes right so fuck was i saying you had you had a dream right. I had a wet dream. And then as soon as i woke up i was at stopped. Like fucking shuttering. I did it again. Okay yeah that's gutsy. you're right there. I mean i. I got out the machine even through on some actual fuck machine which is like a jackhammer. Yeah that's gotta dildo at the end of it as a platform. You sit on the bed. My bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-ba alabama bom bom. Yeah data remote. So you can adjust the speed. It seems like the action. I guess You know towns free so you don't have to work it. You know what i mean you can. You can have your hand on on something else or to other things or whatever you need to do. He can put it in. All different positions are like different like angles and lengths. because there's like a shorter Little piston and then there's longer liston and there's even double-ended deal. Do you can click on the end so you got like asset and pushes like. Hey wait a minute. How does double edit work. It's going the wrong way. I've put double don. Yeah like like two pointing direction. Double pronged yeah. He yes tuning fork for stuff to properly spread apart not like seven inches away. Yeah they're made out of. They're made out of material. That will move like summer firm and summer jelly like. Oh they've there's a variety of toys that will they get all but they can all be really really. You're going to want to stick to that end though. Yeah maybe i would say so. Well some people do some even vibrate like little vibrators in the toys toys. Both both hands a lot surprised now. Raspberries either. Yeah so you're fucking machine sheet of all. I my fuck machine involved and i had some porn on the laptop and i had my body wind to on the climate and i had another toy in my ass. I was just it was. It was a tire circus for a while. Or where'd you go outside and do the break you're in here waller. That wasn't that wasn't today. that was friday. Okay okay that was. I was the day after the accident newer at work. So i'd like i've got time. I've got space. I can put the fucking volume up on shit so awful. Pretty good congratulations. But anyway but then it. But but on top on top of that. though. I've been having dreams if you cheating on me okay which is just. I don't know. I don't know what seems like a lot of a lot of work for me. It really well. Yeah yes it is dealing with somebody else long enough to get them to fuck me. Yeah it's more effort than i wanna put into it. You know what i'm saying. I mean it's if. I had to put a lot of effort into it i. It's just not worth doing anymore. I've i've had projects before. Yeah that's fine okay. Now it's just a hassle like going out and dealing with somebody. I don't wanna go out and go deal with somebody. If you're not around me you know what i mean. That's so fun. well well. it's just fun for me. I i would rather do that with with you there. At least you're there with me. It's more fun you school at the corner over there something here just so. I know you're here and deal with that. You could deal with that that that bitch like. I don't have to deal with her all the time you could deal with her. Share the responsibility girl. That's right. I wanna do stuff to her. Okay your way more helpful at that. But it is if i was out by. What are you talking about fine. I'll hold the camera hold out so. They can't squirm away recording this. If he notices microphones x. Nee on april good They had these thursay's aztec death whistles. They sound like human screams and they might be used. The may have been used as psychological warfare. Oh i've heard they're like have you. Yeah it sounds like like a whole bunch of it like it's that stock can sowed you here in like deathly hallows. When those black things come out The oh okay. Whatever the hell. They are centaurs or centaurs. No go st black things that fuck baltimore sent out. Yeah no and. I just don't have a memory. I've seen all of those. I've even read one of those books. And i don't remember for something or death eaters. I think dr the death eaters. I don't know. I'm not sure. I could look it up. Okay we have technology. We're gonna use it so you can do that. There's a guy that got in trouble. He put a A scene in his front yard of it was skeletons. Strippers like at a strip club club. Meet of skeletons. it wasn't the death eaters. Were the people who followed all the more so anyway. So that's it they're well they're not the they were the actual little team meant then dement tours. There you go after them. Is that fucking sound of the screaming thing that the that the Forget what tribe. It was that use those patchy aspects. They also patchy has had a similar thing where and it sounded like that. Sound that the fucking dmed tours made it was like almost the same thing but it was like in a little fucking thing. They blew into the whistle kind of like to read kind of together set of like et cetera. Like a dot com death call. That's horrid o. Ge actually pretty creepy sound too and if you could imagine like thousands of people with those things in their mouths like making that creepy. Sal oh god like doing night like before the battle guy. You can't see shit. that's what i'm saying. Maybe creepiest balzac in the day. When people were super super weird about chet dragons or whatever other weird things they fucking believed in Yeah spirits and whatever but then again i people get pissed off by started saying you know like don't believe in spirits i have fucking my bilbo baggins dude for you got you got you have a lot of paranormal people for some reason are linked to you. I don't know why it's a strange fucking phenomenal. I don't do doodoo phenomena phenomena. I wanted to. I wouldn't have felt kind of pissed me off. You do it and it just drive by next time you don't have to linger doesn't matter you hit around. I like to linger nothin giuliani. We're talking about the desperate. So no i was talking about something else. Where are you. Yeah moved on the while. I can't help it you have you know. Sometimes i don't pay attention. Sorry i caught up with my prep work there. Yeah that'll then. But i also well yeah. I had an abc to yeah. Nobody caught up other than that we did. Baby will you said you were gonna during the pre show did -ccomplish task. Your man of your word oriented sometimes newer of goal oriented sometimes. I wasn't being racial that you were okay. I don't know what you thought. I heard a oriented. God there's this dude that he says his girlfriend is Is an escort and he loves it. He said he'd never date another girl who wasn't really up. He likes the money. Or what is what is what is his favorite part about his girl being hooker. He's in love with a hooker close but yeah he said Sometimes you know he. He's not really good at keeping a job get money. He doesn't via so it really makes her happy. She feels like she's doing something for people's likes the money maybe she's in a sexual derogate. Kind of you know she. She's she's hopping on quads and shit you know what i mean. They've ended warriors out hooking them up could be. I mean it'd be for charity but she's a well. They've been together for eleven years. Yeah and he loves the money yeah. He loves the money and he doesn't have to bank her like on the rag. You know what i mean. He could totally go out and get some strange easy peasy. I'm sure that's like half of his gag. It's almost like he has a permanent hall. Pass do kind of what he wants. As long as he's not being disrespectful true i mean it's just a poly way of life with some cash involved and you don't have to work anymore. Yeah that's true. Maximizing your potential. So what are you trying to so you to start no. It's no negative. it's too late for you. owe it is ni- no no there's young dudes the message me all the time. That have an old lady i do. I do think it's funny when they when they're like. Yeah you're a proper gills. mike. I don't know about fun to say about that. I know we've had this discussion before. Yes we did. I mean it's not that ridiculous no it's not. i jordan. Admitted what you have in mind when you think of health right. You're not thinking of a forty year old. No no you're not. You're taking a sixty year old. You're thinking i'm thinking way. Eighty eight eighty really. Yes you're going super old. I know that even a thirty out of thirty. See i know. That's a sixty. yeah. I mean come on. That's you know. But no cause. Also no i think about that. That young dude. Who's been on a lot of shows. And he's not a lot of guys that's dog stuff. No he loves the old ladies. Old oxnard old old. The one that we're watching. Yes yeah he's like like a light mocha black okay. New lights can anyway but he loves he loves fugger mike ladies brinkley's not even the word he he just. He likes him like own. Yes to the great okay. I mean i like you're looking for more words. That older regularly. i gotta get more descriptive. Hang on. I'm working on a painting a picture here. I stand by a painting a picture. It's going to be great. I prepped hard. Sores isn't unloading is. It plugged in my piece shutoff fray. Okay turn it off but might not turn back on again. Have you ever tried putting rice. Wants to an episode role thirty four when we come back. We're to have a new tits man to talk about so enjoy that didn't have hang We're going to go for the right one yum yum. It's time for a tasty and refreshing breath things neck character obviously as european. i mean obviously. Yeah so i mean he he would be on gut we've angle. Yes probably probably you know considering a vast verbiage is. There are more catholics. Catholics aren't exactly i mean. Circumcision is jewish people and americans. That's pretty much the lineup there. So you go other places snake in switzerland switzerland everywhere and. I know that i know that you know talking about us. African show little mario or whatever his name is he would definitely how he would. Of course he won't. He's italian you've had. You've had some very irresponsible foreskin owners. They've been presented to you and they have spoiled you. Fun attended on the prospect of putting that thing near you maybe thinking that fucking chunky milken. I saw yeah so y- all you guys out there who with skin they're like. Why are you always hating on. my can. just blame the assholes before you normally find. Yes they totally. You know what. I mean allergies. They did all. I mean if she had good experiences back when she was younger than that knob guy the all over it. I probably problem play. I've seen her do some really weird dirty shit for sure. I would not scare of that would have have an age now. It would have been brain beds. Ptsd therapy foreskin thirty. No all looking. Serb genucel itself only represent some the being percents. This and welcome back to you. Can katie's world ruled in studio dot com and you can start to litter can t katie radio. Tv radio tom. Katie radio gmail.com. None on facebook this week on lay and google me and you could see nudity on twitter again. You can't do that to pretty much daily. Yeah can't see places looking looking to. why are you look at. What's going on weird. We're going to build that wall. Tell you right out southern border right here. Yeah right here like everything things like. Flip it and give it back. Keep concentrated in the face of. Yeah turn especially when it's okay though. Sorry we will. It is fine. Right i am. There's there's this guy he was about. There's this guy. He said that his fiancee wants to get her x.'s. Name tattooed on her. Okay right before the wedding. This is when she decided to do this. She okay rewind here. Let me understand the connection here. She wants to get a tattoo of ex-boyfriend her her ex boyfriend's name tattooed on her. Yes before the wedding right. See dad yes you know he just he. He passed away a month ago. She was apparently Still holding quite a very large torture him and she was fucking devastated. He said so she's like i'm getting i. She she told him. It's like a month or week or something before the wedding and she's she's like i'm going to get his name tattooed on me or today. She excuse me what's dicey thing. I mean you know i mean if you're super close with somebody and you had a relationship with them for a long period and they died recently like whether you were getting married or not you. Maybe you've never had anybody close to die. You know what i mean like. If you've never had anybody that close to you die and then all of a sudden you want to get to. I mean it's it's weird Yeah i get where the dude would have a problem with but suck it up buttercup. We're talking you know. I could see where you might wanna run from that. I don't want. I don't view your ex dies. I don't want you to put her name on you know Not into that anyway. So yeah i'm not saying me. I'm saying but there are people you know you know what i'm saying. That didn't necessarily hate their ex. Maybe their new husband to be was maybe that was his brother. Maybe that was his friend. You know what i'm saying. I jud was a drug addict can fucked up his life. You know what. I'm saying that you slid in and you have a relationship but yeah i don't know it's not a good situation and i could probably tell us to for sure Yeah i i know. However i what i'm saying is i can see a situation where it might be. Okay maybe now. It might not seem out of line to do that to your husband before. Did they cancelled away. No he doesn't know if he's going to postpone it he put it out there. Like what the fuck yeah like. Ibm situational. i can think of a situation in which it wouldn't seem so bad but it would have to be a certain kind of a thing. It just seems harsh to the do. That's all i mean. Seems harsh on the dude. That's what i'm saying. Anyway i mean it could be a good cover up later. The you know the holidays are coming up and people light to get all fucked up. Should i get around family. Sit like that and then usually when you get a little fuck yuppie you get a real pre-game holiday cheer little horny. Horny sneak off into the bathroom. We've done several times. Parents house people doing christmas this year. Or they zooming christmas. What's happening you have. That whole zoomed thanksgiving and then you know walk away. Just walk out of camera banging totally still. Be out mike. Yeah yeah just required. See and that's the whole thing because that's kind of the fun is wake kagame. You could actually be literally writing writing a cock like right there. You could actually just be sitting on it as you're talking. You know what. I'm saying depending on the angle. The camera do like a face facing fucking gopro action. You know so it's like right there as you move it moves exactly with your head. Okay so you know as you're going grind grind easy just like you're laughing or whatever. You're doing grandma grandma. Oh stop it where you just say that. Yes well anyway. Throw that in there. You know well this woman. Sorry this girl. She ended up on. She didn't know she was on a group chat with her parents and it was like her parents and her aunt or something like that she was asking if it was okay to fuck dude when you're blackout drunk. She should i hook up with this theory. When i'm blackout. Their mothers like what. Well you know tried. I wanna be a wanted to be more than your mother. I wanted to be your best friend but her her father her father saying this is not funny this is. I don't like this joke here are like if this is a joke. It's not funny like that. She's like oh. Yeah i know which part of it that she would call her mother and ask if she she should hook up with a dude if she's blackout truck. Yeah okay so some. Some mother daughter pairs at though they have a show like that on on on one of those forgotten like i think. Tlc or something. I can't imagine to that at all. They're called like smothers said. We've literally met people that are like that. I know God and yet and yet you know what i don't know i lost track over. Kill kill. well let's go to your favorite segment by standing by his and on the news. It's time once again for shit man. Okay so this tits. Man are people that died bubis. Oh that were killed. I guess acetates titties like all of us. Not quite assassinated. Okay well if they were paid to do it and kill them. Assassinated right there were murdered. Moves seat accidentally slaughtered. That's going to be a news. Sleaze box or gator blade movie Tack killer boobs. Well whatever this woman. There's this one girl. She's kind of fucked guard like she was very very well. She was china. Give herself bigger tits with lean. Oh vaseline deal vacillation injection. Yeah that sounds like a great idea. She died well. You know it's fucking vassily. Inside your boobs. I mean it flat like on the package it says not for internal use. And that's because it's fucking oil petroleum. Okay yeah whatever it just seems like a horrible lube who just saying it seems like a no fun kind of luke lubrication for anything. I mean i've tried to jerk off of that stuff. It is impossible. I mean even even back in times when you had nothing. Vassili was not a good option now how no there are so many. Better things to us than vacillate i for sure. Oh you have to take a cue tip to you. Rita think just to clean it all out. No i mean jerk off then shoot your load a plug. Does it pops out like a little cork. It comes right out believe me. I've never had a stoppage issue of it. Just doesn't create the kind of friction that i'm looking for a hejab experience. Not at all okay. Well i'm just telling you they're not fun case you ever think about it because i i just part of you there like let's try this out by it. You said you could shoot it out. Like a plug shabby chevy come out. I wanted to see it. You're not like a plug. So tummy was in jackie. That's a bad needle show. How was she. She was pumping. It was south a huge. She was it was. It was a big syringe. Now there's another woman. Her boobs were implants. Were so big that it pinned her to the bed and she couldn't get up. I mean not. Like like s fixated her of the we're talking about. She literally got twisted up inner titties. So bad she like couldn't move. They like like one flopped over one way. One flopped overly other. It's got your head in your arms like anaconda you have see fucking snake ball style. She's wrestling with her titties. Always exit calm. Your tips comes from no good old ladies get giant floppy floppy. Her boobs were sixty four pounds. Four pounds on your chest and when you start having problems you know you can get up and she. She ended up having a severe problem. They had to call the ambulance and everything to try to get her up. She died because it almost suffocated her but the prisoner a all to have big giant and they were. They were false right. Yeah yeah and they were saline. So they were heavy. They weren't. Oh yeah yeah. I don't i don't i don't know it's never been my thing. I mean big boobs. Yes however big big overly done bolt ons really. It's just not you know. I mean some people are into it. I guess i bet. Most people aren't edgy. They cartoonish huge are they. Am i missing something. Well a lot of people aren't it depends what you would call cartoons. I call cartoonish the ones that are you know. They look like they're absolute philip. Thera fabio hurt her. I mean this this person. Whatever she died or we got hurt herself. I mean those were obviously had to been cartoonish lee large by definition. They weighed sixty four pounds. Thirty two pound feet up to say yeah that stance heavy fucking titty cartoon tap poets you. I would say see okay. So what what she looked like. It had to have been what most people would like. I would think you would think. I would think unless we're totally missing out. In a large segment of the population of the world that are into giant cartoons are kind of drawn like that. I guess you know if you go back to jessica rabbit. Yeah yeah. I guess i guess so. I've just. I'm not an alligator. I don't know what to tell you. Know like to fucking. Brian back to the olive. Well that's always a good fuck allergy. That's how i always tell myself there. A perfectly good people who like olives. They're not pieces of shit just because they like olives. I just happen to not care for them. I like them. Yeah and you're a good person and so by the year thirty For the week chit talk about some death. Bubis skinny little sad. Well anyway. i know sad. I mean you go into a giant description of using your fuck machine But plug and and button toy all at the same time. Well i don't know how sad really has so skill. what attend just that segment dippy. Though i'm sure there are some people that they could find are abused by somebody dying from their own boobs choking him out. Somebody laughed. i guarantee you if there's a fetish up there there's a thing there is. There's an accused tree hamper. And he got busted again again. Humping trees and this time he was highest balls and running from the cops. They caught him. You over there. Fucking come here. I fucking oh dre. I fucking the tree. You're fucking god damn tree. Stop it boy. Put you take away. Well anyway he They let him out on a twenty five thousand dollars but he This is the he is. He's apparently he's thirty six years old and he's always hurt. Anybody is easy hurting. The tree is he. Is he drill a hole. How's it happening. No there's no. There's a picture of the tree. The tree is actually it. Looks like he's got is giving like. Oh no no trees were harmed in the thing. I mean did like kids do this. I was asking for a well. I don't speak tree. what how do i know. They're living things. Apparently did you hear about arbor day. Know that's what i'm saying. Maybe the tree was asking for. How was the tree dressed. How was addressed. How much how much bark was still on it. Disarray was intriguing. Was the tree fucked up. Was their sap all over it. It like like one of those party trees like just like to go out like little hussy trees. You know those kind of trees years. The ones that deserve our. They're looking for it to be prude. Holes were right out there with intake heights. Maybe it is dan on iraq or something to get to. It is something living in there. Okay there's a bug or or some sort of shitting. Gahler's wang maybe. They were paid for their fuck and participation. How do we know we have. No idea do we. Maybe they they were maybe he was maybe being filmed or maybe he was filming it or something. Yeah public maceration right. I mean that's that's what he it's gotta be the charge. How're you you're your. I don't get it unless like what are you doing it in front of the school. Okay you have very little details about this whole situation. I do have a tree fucker yet. But he had. You don't know anything about the tree fucker but say where the tree was that. They do have a picture of the tree. So when you go to the show notes you'd be able to see the picture of the traders are looking doll fuck worthy by the way if you want like links to all the shit that we're talking about at the website in on this episode you know right. They're they're handy even the bumper. Yes if you have questions about. Where did you see that tree. Dick thing they're also and don't forget that you can get the brand new merch. The we got going on new design the very cool fucking shit. That people have already ordered an early like. It's right there on the front page for show anyway There's this one bakery. They're they have a new christmas pastry. That has a filthy name. Okay people are people are complaining about it Alright it's like it's like a cronut. The they have frosted to make it. Look like santa suit right Go on what do you think the name of it is. I don't know what is the name santa's nut well like you wanna buy to say is not in your mouth santa's not it's not just like a random not like somebody you met in an airport that cutting we're at santa claus yum nut really wanna starbucks jim nice go places to get. They're from but they're getting great marketing right now. So yeah why change it this way. Not no that's true. Dot is a thing like people are used used nut as slang ages. But that's not you know what i mean. Yeah no it really. Isn't i mean it's one thing if like santas santas literally got the elves jerking off like like you know that's a fab pacino. Her like like there's a whole line of fucking little little tiny. He'll with cookies and and saying akiko. Yeah and they're just you know. Don't work in santa for each cookie. I can just see like the motion just like over the top. So i knew you were doing the fucking jerk stickiness. I could see you. I'm like oh my body. Yeah or flare spastic. Some people would say that would be a pretty good description. I i mean. I move around a very animated what i talk and i'm just flailing spastic. You do you do when you should zag sit still will you almost got hit with the arocca troll. I was tossing it down in the perfect location. And you do it for a last second. Grab that was. Crazy is not a perfect location. Because the where it was going there was Number one was glass. Right there number two there was my nipple right there and you have a very good aim and a knack of just clipping the frigging just tip of the nip wish. I am have very large gauge piercings. Through so fuck it hurts when it contacts and pinched shit adamy. No and that's always intentional. But this time. I was aiming for a safe spot even if shiri were out out first of all let. Let's say where are you. And he rated zaib. Oh you were. Perhaps you literally had your pipe sitting next to you. Oh that was what you were worried about. Getting knocked me breathe. I think of alcohol. You drunk down now. You were high. Yes for sure though. Yeah okay so was it very well. Let room know now from your angled you could not see the perfect little cubbyhole could could you. There was no way you could have seen that perfect location right there underneath your armpit right on top of the catch. You couldn't have seen it well right because i was also staring junk at the time she so you not only was belly was a dark. You're inebriated you did not have a very good viewing angle. Even if you're trying to look and you just said you were busy looking at my cock at that time. This all of this being said you are not the expert and exactly that thing was heading right for the golden spot. Yeah you're going to hit my info like how negative can see see anything because it didn't happen no because it was dark. You're you're high and you couldn't see it. So what are you. you're just making stuff up in your head. You're i mean you. And i would add if i was aiming at your level. If that's what was happening i would take. You would want to sit still so you don't lose unintentionally because if you sit still i'm gonna hit what of aim before moving around. That might not have it and you may have an accent. Oh bruise on your navy from having you know whatever well speaking of not not really you know kind of having in your head. There was this dude. He bought some ice cream and when he opened it up. It didn't have one of those seals on them and it looked like someone slap their dick in the top history. Pictures of it to somebody pre humped push-up. Yeah he's by kuttab creamsicle. I don't understand why you would do that. He said it looked like that. There was just this weird dent and this this way someone likes was sliding their dick across. There is ice cream. Dewey believe this or dealers pictures. It could have been him. That did is what i'm saying. Fuck his own ice cream. And say i want to tell you. And then he he will. He had ice cream remorse because he wanted more fucking ice cream so he said fuck it. I'm gonna. I'm gonna tell you came this way. That's what he did. I want a different flavor insert rocky road and more money is create new flavors. Nobody fucked my my by delicious ice cream sandwich. Now there's a. There's a fucking doctor that i wouldn't trust at all. I mean some pretty fussy was well. This one was this fucking doctor. He paid seventy two nd for aladdin's lamp. Okay man after he fooled by a fake genie. Hey so this dudes out about. He meets somebody Claiming to be a genie a gin like from the lamp was smooth style. Well he he said that there was a trickster. Get gygi with it that pretended to be well. He was an occultist okay and he pretended to be jeannie. How did you make any wishes come true. Oh i said he would make him rich magic. Apparently not okay. So i mean have you. You've had parent or people this bilbo baggins guy. Hey man you need to check this out immediately. I think it's a real. Gd in real life. Yes this lamp this. I'm going to polish it. And it's gonna give me everything i would've make all of your money disappear kookaburra. Lots of money or all of your problems will go away. No but he was He was he was an indian doctor. And i always heard now. I don't care if this is terry. Typical indian doctors and they're like really good right. There are a lot of people in the medical field. Yeah certainly it's was very they. They talk about this all the time. Anytime we've heard indian comics talk about Growing up like that. You need to be a doctor. Dr thing right well. That's why i am. Not i am not very. I'm scared like this. i don't want to go to the doctor ever okay. He's that stupid. Oh very superstitious. You know doesn't gullible could be would it. He's like just a cardiologist. All the do does is heart surgery. I mean really. it's it's he has really good hands. He understands the vascular nature of the heart knows. It knows how to do these tiny little hugging movements. You know what i mean. I jerk it off. little things. zona turns into some kind of like autism or something. Take or something. Like i know how to do this. I don't know how do you anything else. And i'm going to just give seventy two thousand dollars to some dude who's like a genie. I haven't been to make you rich. Well what's what's the difference in that or somebody giving fug and seventy two thousand dollars. Church pat riley out. I mean what's what's the difference. There's no difference literally. Is ed from my perspective. I guess that's true. Yeah i mean one way or the other you know. He he had faith at. This dude was a powerful gin and some people have faith that you know their church leaders going to deliver them from whatever i mean. That's that's the gig. That's that's their thing. Give them strength. I gave you this money. So i am. The positive outlook are no my now. He wants it back though. I wouldn't go to the doctor either. Though i like. How long have had like things like this. Like we would never know about this. We know about this because of the information superhighway. That's true years past. You probably doctors who have done way more global things. I wanna i wanna you know. I think we're going to leave on this. Is i was watching a thing about good club soda. I don't know like i'm thinking about it. I was thinking about. Yeah live thinking about getting like sodastream or something anyway but how that feel just. I mean just poured on your pussy and i mean. I'm sure it's fine because all it is just carbonated water. There's no sugar in it. And there's no i don't think it would feel anything you would feel like pouring water on you. I mean you wouldn't feel. I mean i think like the effervescence carbonation would think it would tickle manitoba pouring like filling you up with it you know just like poor like down it. How many times. When girls girls will again in the bathtub and willow will run the like well. Flipper legs insider are as follow way to the edges. The subject to the to the faucet whatever and then click on the water really hard so just like shoot down. Our guys all gathered together and share these techniques with each other. Now we just figure it out okay yours to everybody thinks yeah everybody seems to abounded the fuck and spout and like pool jets and shit. Well we'll jets. That's a no brainer. Really see yeah same thing accepting the privacy room bathroom here. Not near like jet. Not what were you talking about fucking jet. I lost track. Started thinking about you fucking. The jet put nightclubs soda like oh highly carbonari like seltzer. Shine your snapped. Let me say. I have seen you spill gallons of soda on your lap over the years. Gallons gallons it did it did it. Tangle no felt like ford board water you. i don't know there may be a psychological thing if we took just a little bit at a time drop you know boarded and get your soda controlled cheesy kind of matter. Fucking dr brown's gustav. Fizzy water alka seltzer work. Like a bird it in there. If you'd blow up like maybe your head would get really bigger boobs. Maybe even bigger ass does that. Are we sure it doesn't work that way. Do you know that we are going to get out of here for the week. I've done all the we should do. So anyway yeah so. We all have stuff and i hope we all had fun music tech. Start fucking music here. Game month me dr shift. Whatever the fuck you're doing awesome do for as the everybody. Well see reports unpaid move. I like tacos and does.

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