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"k santos" Discussed on 10% Happier with Dan Harris

10% Happier with Dan Harris

04:40 min | 3 d ago

"k santos" Discussed on 10% Happier with Dan Harris

"All right. Let's get to today's episode. Twenty twenty as we all know sucked extremely hard already but we may now be entering into even more difficult months ahead as winter sets in and the case loads appear to be rising so we asked professor. Laurie santos to come on the show. She is overflowing with science based strategies for navigating this difficult time this is the second episode and our two part series that we are semi facetiously calling. Winter is coming. If you missed last week's episode zindel segal a pioneer in mindful treatment for depression and anxiety. Go back and check that. One out laurie. Meanwhile as a tenured professor at yale where she teaches a blockbuster course unhappiness. she's also now. The host of a really popular podcast. A really great podcast called the happiness lab and in this conversation we talk about how to handle the holidays in a pandemic how to have hard conversations with your family combating pandemic fatigue in your own mind. The need to double down on self care these days. Why the things we think will make us happy. Probably won't and the cultivation of jomo the opposite of fomo and time effluence. Here we go. Laurie santos laurie santos. Thanks for coming on. thanks for having me. It's a pleasure. So let me just start with your course which there been a bunch of articles about your course in the new york times in new york magazine and so i've been following your work for a long time. But can you just describe how you became interested in teaching this students. And why you think it took off in such an incredible way. Yeah so it. All started when i took on a new role so i've been teaching for over a decade. Now which makes me feel very old but in just the last couple of years. I took on this new position. I became a head of college on campus. And so y'all's one of these weird places like hogwarts where they're like colleges within a college like connect griffin doris leather in sort of thing <hes>. And so i'm head of silliman college no relation to slither and even though people get that confused but what that means that. I live with students on campus. Like my house is literally in the middle of their quad. I e with them in the dining hall. I kind of hang out with them in the courtyard as i was seeing student. Life up. Close and personal and honestly. I didn't like what i was seeing. I was kinda shocked at the level of mental health. Dysfunction that my students were dealing with it was something. I was kind of blind to while i was like up at the front of the classroom. Which sort of embarrassing. Now in retrospect. But i kind of just didn't see it but you know so many students reporting. They're depressed and anxious and this caused me to like look. Is there something weird about yale or something. We're doing wrong but conceptually to something. We're seeing nationally like right now. The national statistics are really scary over forty percent of college students today. Report being too depressed to function. I shouldn't say today. this is more two thousand. Nineteen sorta of pre kovic time right so in two thousand nineteen over forty percent of college. Students were too depressed to function over sixty percent report. They felt overwhelmingly anxious most days and more than one in ten said. They'd seriously considered suicide in the last year. And so these are national statistics but this bore out what. I was seeing on campus. It just felt like you know honestly. We weren't meeting our educational mission at yale right. We're bringing these students here but you know for students in my lecture and forty percent of the kids out there. Too depressed function most days like they're not learning computer science or chaucer trying to teach them at yale right there just kinda missing it and so i thought it was sort of part of my educational mission to sort of fix this and as a psychologist i thought you know. There's lots of work on the kinds of practices. You can engage with to improve your mental health. It doesn't have to be this way. And so i thought i know i'll develop this whole new class about living a good life and all these evidence based practices students could use. I no idea. I thought it was going to be thirty or so students. Because that's what's typical for a new class. And i remember yale. Students don't register ahead of time so it's like once the classes offered you kind of watch. This little graph of how many students are interested in your course and the i noticed something weird was happening. Was that the graph in most classes went from zero to one hundred students but mine had an order of magnitude difference. It went from zero to one thousand students and then it went over. That and i was like this is strange and that was because over. A quarter of the students at yale wanted to take the class the first time it was offered over a thousand students and so that created lots of logistical hurdles. Like finding a concert hall. That was big enough to fit everyone. You know joked about putting it in the football stadium but that would be a little cold. And yeah i mean when it showed me. Was that students you know. They don't like this culture of feeling stressed anxious. They're really like searching for solutions. And i was sort of proud of them because they were really looking for evidence based solutions. Like they didn't want platitudes or just kind of self help but they wanted to know what did the science say about how you could live healthier.

Secrets from the Happiness Lab With Laurie Santos

10% Happier with Dan Harris

04:40 min | 3 d ago

Secrets from the Happiness Lab With Laurie Santos

"All right. Let's get to today's episode. Twenty twenty as we all know sucked extremely hard already but we may now be entering into even more difficult months ahead as winter sets in and the case loads appear to be rising so we asked professor. Laurie santos to come on the show. She is overflowing with science based strategies for navigating this difficult time this is the second episode and our two part series that we are semi facetiously calling. Winter is coming. If you missed last week's episode zindel segal a pioneer in mindful treatment for depression and anxiety. Go back and check that. One out laurie. Meanwhile as a tenured professor at yale where she teaches a blockbuster course unhappiness. she's also now. The host of a really popular podcast. A really great podcast called the happiness lab and in this conversation we talk about how to handle the holidays in a pandemic how to have hard conversations with your family combating pandemic fatigue in your own mind. The need to double down on self care these days. Why the things we think will make us happy. Probably won't and the cultivation of jomo the opposite of fomo and time effluence. Here we go. Laurie santos laurie santos. Thanks for coming on. thanks for having me. It's a pleasure. So let me just start with your course which there been a bunch of articles about your course in the new york times in new york magazine and so i've been following your work for a long time. But can you just describe how you became interested in teaching this students. And why you think it took off in such an incredible way. Yeah so it. All started when i took on a new role so i've been teaching for over a decade. Now which makes me feel very old but in just the last couple of years. I took on this new position. I became a head of college on campus. And so y'all's one of these weird places like hogwarts where they're like colleges within a college like connect griffin doris leather in sort of thing And so i'm head of silliman college no relation to slither and even though people get that confused but what that means that. I live with students on campus. Like my house is literally in the middle of their quad. I e with them in the dining hall. I kind of hang out with them in the courtyard as i was seeing student. Life up. Close and personal and honestly. I didn't like what i was seeing. I was kinda shocked at the level of mental health. Dysfunction that my students were dealing with it was something. I was kind of blind to while i was like up at the front of the classroom. Which sort of embarrassing. Now in retrospect. But i kind of just didn't see it but you know so many students reporting. They're depressed and anxious and this caused me to like look. Is there something weird about yale or something. We're doing wrong but conceptually to something. We're seeing nationally like right now. The national statistics are really scary over forty percent of college students today. Report being too depressed to function. I shouldn't say today. this is more two thousand. Nineteen sorta of pre kovic time right so in two thousand nineteen over forty percent of college. Students were too depressed to function over sixty percent report. They felt overwhelmingly anxious most days and more than one in ten said. They'd seriously considered suicide in the last year. And so these are national statistics but this bore out what. I was seeing on campus. It just felt like you know honestly. We weren't meeting our educational mission at yale right. We're bringing these students here but you know for students in my lecture and forty percent of the kids out there. Too depressed function most days like they're not learning computer science or chaucer trying to teach them at yale right there just kinda missing it and so i thought it was sort of part of my educational mission to sort of fix this and as a psychologist i thought you know. There's lots of work on the kinds of practices. You can engage with to improve your mental health. It doesn't have to be this way. And so i thought i know i'll develop this whole new class about living a good life and all these evidence based practices students could use. I no idea. I thought it was going to be thirty or so students. Because that's what's typical for a new class. And i remember yale. Students don't register ahead of time so it's like once the classes offered you kind of watch. This little graph of how many students are interested in your course and the i noticed something weird was happening. Was that the graph in most classes went from zero to one hundred students but mine had an order of magnitude difference. It went from zero to one thousand students and then it went over. That and i was like this is strange and that was because over. A quarter of the students at yale wanted to take the class the first time it was offered over a thousand students and so that created lots of logistical hurdles. Like finding a concert hall. That was big enough to fit everyone. You know joked about putting it in the football stadium but that would be a little cold. And yeah i mean when it showed me. Was that students you know. They don't like this culture of feeling stressed anxious. They're really like searching for solutions. And i was sort of proud of them because they were really looking for evidence based solutions. Like they didn't want platitudes or just kind of self help but they wanted to know what did the science say about how you could live healthier.

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Why The Oil Industry Doesn't Fear Biden

NPR's Business Story of the Day

03:47 min | Last week

Why The Oil Industry Doesn't Fear Biden

"To learn more on the surface. The oil and gas industry is losing a friend on january twentieth. Donald trump the departing president gave fossil fuels his loud support. President-elect biden supports efforts against climate change yet. Some in the oil and gas industry are feeling cautiously optimistic. Npr's camille mosque. Explains why you might have heard that biden's win could mean the end of the oil industry. President trump warned it. Would some climate activists hoped it would and in the final debate biden himself said this transition from their own industry. Yes it is a big statement and that would be a big change over the last decade. Us oil and gas production has boomed. The shale revolution turned the united states into the world's top oil producer. A lot of that remarkable growth happened. During the obama administration and trump promoted the jobs in prophets that resulted but emissions from burning oil gas and coal are the biggest contributors to climate change. Which is already starting to have devastating effects around the world. So how could biden tackle those emissions step one might be a ban on new drilling on federal lands and private loans. It's a different story. They do not have the power to your sake. Somebody in south texas. You can of drill anymore. Rene santos's with snp global plattsburgh says that that kind of a ban would be significant but not the end of the industry is also expected to restore some environmental regulations. Which again won't eliminate all gas. The big question mark is what a climate bill look like her personal. Don't think it's going to be sensitive radical unless you know the more liberal side. All the democratic party gets a lot of influence which are so we see right now. It does not appear to be the case. Climate activists and scientists have called for ambitious action. That might be impossible to push through congress if republicans keep the senate so for now. This doesn't seem like a doomsday. Scenario for oil gas. I don't think it's a wholesale assault on the oil industry. It's just not going to be in favour like it was under president. Trump halima croft is a managing director at arby's see capital markets. She says the biden is serious about climate change but also doesn't plan to do away with fossil fuels. We actually wrote a note over the summer about the biden. Energy plan called hugging the mid line. Not just because. I left the ladas but we really did see this as an effort to sort of the neo. All the oil and gas industry sees room for some compromises and negotiations which might raise the question. What about biden's big statement about transitioning away from oil and gas jin. Snyder is a director at in virus. Which provides data's oil and gas companies. She says that was hardly breaking news. To insider's they know that a global transition happening a move away from fossil fuels is underway at the society level regardless of the administration biden also said quote. We're not getting rid of fossil fuels for a very long time. Snyder argues a president who manages a gradual shift. Away from oil might actually be better for business. The gut reaction is that this isn't good news for the industry but we're actually cautiously positive and politics aside right now. Oil producers are facing a more immediate struggle. The

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Amazon opens online pharmacy that delivers prescriptions

Behind the Numbers: eMarketer Podcast

03:51 min | 2 weeks ago

Amazon opens online pharmacy that delivers prescriptions

"Amazon launching an online pharmacy customers will be able to buy prescription medications through a new store on its platform code amazon pharmacy. So now when you're at the doctor you can ask them to send prescriptions to amazon pharmacy. Just like any other retail pharmacy. Like you did before. It accepts quote unquote. Most insurance plans poll amazon launching. An online pharmacy was the points. What could possibly go wrong. There are two aspects of the recode article that used santos marcus that i thought were interesting. One is the fact that a lot of things that we didn't anticipate buying through amazon. Now we do so routinely. So i think that bodes well for prescription drugs being part of that but the other part that concerns me quite a bit is the just the number of knockoffs and how unregulated the amazon marketplace. Seems to be at times mock I would never bet against amazon in anything possible. Hitch in this. Is that the prescription. Drug markets skews toward older consumers. They they're the ones who who need this stuff more and that on average somewhat less comfortable with ecommerce younger people had the a lot of The pandemic learn to deal the e. Oh so that that's favor. But i'd be astonished if this flops blake yet had mark's got it exactly right. It's sort of the logical next step for amazon. Now that the pandemic has gotten older generations. Used to shopping for essentials online so sort of the next step beyond grocery in every other day household essentials and this is the age group that they're going to need if they want this to be successful so i think the time is right. Context on this story is comes about two years after amazon com susan company pill pack for seven hundred million dollars is also made other moves into the health space. Health insurance space amazon. Berkshire hathaway and j. p. morgan chase in twenty. Eighteen launched a joint health care venture code haven. We've yet to see where that's going to go. I'm was prime. Members will of course be able to save money paying for medications generic and off brands without using health insurance which is interesting. that's just chace took hit following the news. Drugstore companies like cvs and drug distributors like cardinal health. This will no doubt as well as vice out of walmart target costco's pharmacy businesses to joe this album praying and sharon tell up the wall street journal noting quote. Most americans still prescriptions at the traditional drugstore. Us prescription drug sales at pharmacies was over three hundred billion dollars in two thousand eighteen coins health research firm. A via nearly four billion prescriptions filled each year in the us in march. Mail order prescriptions. Mail order prescriptions. Were up twenty one percent from the previous giving them a six percent slice of the prescription drug market. Hi shannon lost two years. According to suntrust robinson humphrey. Wasn't there a time not long ago when there were a lot of rumors about amazon getting into not the prescription drug business but healthcare coverage insurance coverage. Am i imagining that. Or i might be the time with the two companies haven joint venture with halfway and j. p. morgan chase. So they got together to basically trying to put together some kind of umbrella coverage for all three companies. And somehow i pulled on everybody's sources provide coverage for all of their employees. I think that might be the thing. Maybe i i guess. I was on the impression that it was more comprehensive than just those companies and that they were basically going to try to roll out like you know obamacare. You know amazon care but yeah whether they were going to roll the roll that out to other companies as some kind of a model yet to be seen but i think with their own folks

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Hong Chau & Nico Santos: Superheroes And Superstores

Ask Me Another

05:57 min | Last month

Hong Chau & Nico Santos: Superheroes And Superstores

"This is asked me another. Npr's our puzzles where games and doing the dishes fourteen times a day. I'm jonathan colton. Here's your host fear eisenberg. thanks jonathan. We're here with comedians jordan. Clever from the daily show. And judy hegel from late. Night with seth meyers. Are you to ready for another game. Yes let's do it so the english language we are speaking at right now. There are many. There are many words that english speakers use everyday. That are actually loan words. Which are things. We adapted or outright stole from other languages so ready to give you the origins of alone word. You tell us the word okay. We're going to the root and then you're gonna okay. Great okay all right jordan from an italian word meaning scratch. it's the spray painted artwork. You see on the sides buildings graffiti. Yeah that's right. And graffiti is the plural of the italian word So i guess when you just do one spray paint. That's gra fito. I like arguing. That in court your honor graffiti minor a lesser sentence. That's the most annoying graffiti artist out there. Who is out there tagging buildings there's like actually technically graffiti all jenny. Here's one for you okay. From the french term for a heavy twelve fabric made in the city of neem. You probably not wearing pants made of this material right now and maybe you never will again. So i'm looking for fabric fabric. That they make pants out of a by won't wear it again. Well 'cause it's pandemic times zooming so we don't have to wear pants. There was that was zoom joke. I wonder if that was like a hint that it s best us or something along. Those parisians bestest pants. I know i really nice. This is the best ones. They're expensive but they're worth it. Is it denham denham. Denham is correct. Yeah well done yeah. I can't get the lethal weapon question with somehow the fabric the fabric from the jordan. Yes from a word for a corpse reanimated by supernatural powers in english. It means an undead creature. Zombie me correct. Some big yes yes. I thought it was a word grade by grade berries all right. This is the last clue. Jenny this for you in sanskrit. It's a word used to describe hindu gods descending to earth in english we've taken that divine concept and used it to refer to james cameron movie avatar avatar. I'm sorry find out. I'm an etymology. That's what we've all discovered. Congratulations to answers for me to get real cock. You could start this game being like okay. So you're giving us the root you're giving us the route expertise over here okay. That was amazing. That was so fun. Thank you so much for joining us to talk to you and play some games. Thank you for having a. It's such a treat to have this like contract as a reason for human contact. That's why we do it our next you. Contestants are a couple in quarantine nico santos from nbc's superstar and two times survivor contestant. Zeke smith nico zeke. Welcome to ask me another. Hi how is your quarantine going. I think going pretty pretty well actually only got a couple of fights which actually to me. I feel like they were just missed. Communications that led to your slightly spirited disagreements nico. You're in the middle of shooting superstore when all of this happened right. Yeah we were. We had only one episode left to film and then we had to shut down production. Yeah we went up to burbank and we cleaned out his trailer and took the toilet paper with us. We did like walk around. The superstar sent seeing if we could find toilet and mysteriously all the toilet. Paper onset disappeared really. Isn't that interesting yeah Before any of us got to it somebody else. Well i mean you could also say that you have you have some really great set designers who are concerned about accuracy and they knew store set is going to be out of toilet paper. So let's take that is that is the one great thing about working on a show set in superstore. Is that anything i wanted. I could just ask for when i moved into our apartment. This was before i was dating. Zeke i needed a lot of new stuff for my apartment. And i just sort of right around. The set was like that espresso machine asks. What about that. Vitamix mysterious or another vitamix. When shopping on the set of your tv shipped advantage of the perks of this job after hustling for fifteen years in this business. Okay we have. We have a couple of great game so you guys ready for some games. Yes great so you're going to be competing against each other in this first one. It's a music parody. Game that combines. Kitty cats and the internet okay. Did you know that those were two separate things probably not. I

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Hong Chau & Nico Santos: Superheroes And Superstores

Ask Me Another

04:05 min | Last month

Hong Chau & Nico Santos: Superheroes And Superstores

"And as roma's joining us right. Now we have jordan. Clever and jedi hegel o. How are you guys doing doing. Great as well as you can be right now. Who are who. Who are you quarantining with jenny. I'm quarantining with my partner. Liz and my son who is six. My list has a very grown up lady job so she goes into one room all day and does zoom calls where she says things like she says. Business phrases like Well we'll have to see if the juice is worth the squeeze. And that's not what i'm solving for. And wow what was happening. She i mean she says things that i've just never a side of her. I've never seen before having that thing. We were like who. Who are you is that. It's like really impressive though. Because it's like very like she's a very confident and she uses business lady terms and she uses them so like casually. Yes so it's kind of neat to see your partner do what they do because you hear about it. But it's kind of neat to watch your partner. Excel at what they do. Yeah jordan who are you. Who are you living with right now. I am with my wife right now. I like the journey is like it's nice to see your partner. Dana day out and see what they excel at and that is not the experience. My wife and i are having we are. We are watching each other disintegrated happening. It feels like talked to friends of mine. Who have been married like last week was the week like a lot of initial explosions. Took place of like yelling at people for like. You're closing the door too loudly. My wife thinks my voice is just too loud and not like an incident of being loud once but just generally j just too loud and we had. I don't think you fully mean that. But i think you also do because you've been in a room with me for the last month and a half but we're better cooking. I think that's the one thing we now know how to cook. You guys want to play a game. Yes i'm very excited about this game. Okay so first of all you are going to be competing in this game. So we're gonna go back and forth This is audio quiz. About famous movie quotes. We're gonna play the dialogue. That comes right before a very famous movie quote and you just have to jump in With the quote okay right okay. And if you don't know it just makes something up and it's possible you will still get credit all right jenny. This one's for you okay. I don't know if that's fair. I don't know is fair. I feel before we started this game. I felt like. I'd seen some movies but maybe ever seen one. No you've definitely seen this but maybe it was a long time ago. That's a classic chicago blues lick like they really laid out. I'm walking to walk you down a path here a little bit. Danny glover okay. Is this a lethal weapon situation. Oh yes this is like this characters. Well known line that he he says right after meeting milk. The yes pre problematic okay. So this is the thing he's gonna say to mel gibson. Yes gladys okay okay. Let's hear you got to get this. come on. are you the guy from braveheart. That is i mean pretty much pretty much. That

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Brees throws 2 TDs, Lutz hits FG in OT, Saints beat Bears

AP News Radio

00:44 sec | Last month

Brees throws 2 TDs, Lutz hits FG in OT, Saints beat Bears

"Will Lutz is fourth field goal of the game a thirty five yarder in overtime gave the saints a twenty six twenty three win over the bears let's also connected from twenty seven thirty eight and thirty nine yards out Carol Santos had three field goals of his own for the bears with his fifty one yarder with thirteen seconds left in regulation necessitating the overtime period drew Brees was thirty one of forty one passing on the day for two hundred eighty yards with a pair of touchdowns protects everyone it takes obviously deep instrumental big stop all this but it's enjoyable ranging or special teams no catering through the saints improved to five into and are currently tied with the Buccaneers atop the NFC south the bears drop to five in three one half game behind the Packers in the NFC north David Shuster Chicago

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Woman Dead, 2 Others Wounded in New York City Restaurant Shooting

10 10 WINS 24 Hour News

00:54 sec | Last month

Woman Dead, 2 Others Wounded in New York City Restaurant Shooting

"Ah, triple shooting and the University Heights section of the Bronx. Early this morning, a 19 year old woman was killed. Two men wounded. There have been no released at the call around 7 15 Monday morning, Three people shot two men in stable condition at ST Barnabus and a 19 year old woman pronounced dead at the hospital. It happened inside the restaurant on Jerome Avenue Avenue and and North North Street. Street. Socrates Socrates Santos Santos was was in in the the kitchen kitchen eating eating when when he he heard heard the the shots shots about about Lucia Lucia and and I I ran ran I I only only stopped stopped to to him him no no more. more. I just run. He says he was there with a friend who is deejaying to about 20 to 30 people before leaving. He helped one of the men who was shot in the arm. You say I got shot. I got shot and that's a win. There. Who handsome neck in the urn of run. At least one shot was fired outside the restaurant, leaving a bullet hole in a parked car. Samantha leave

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Bears rally to beat Buccaneers, improve to 4-1

Newsradio 950 WWJ 24 Hour News

00:34 sec | 2 months ago

Bears rally to beat Buccaneers, improve to 4-1

"Tony, or to use a 38 yard field goal by kicker Cairo. Santos with just over a minute to go in the game helped lead the Chicago Bears to a 20 to 19 victory over the Tampa Bay Buccaneers last night on Thursday night football that when means that quarterback Nick Foles and the Bears are now a surprising for and one on the NFL season, it wasn't an easy game by any means. We just kept fighting kept fighting. And everyone just, uh, you know, throwing punches, and I said the big thing from tonight was, we've got to learn how to go through a fistfight like this and come out on top, and you don't want to member Lee. But if it if it's what it takes

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Court: Pot smell alone can't form basis for vehicle search

AP News Radio

00:56 sec | 2 months ago

Court: Pot smell alone can't form basis for vehicle search

"Is the smell of pot sufficient cause for police to search a car in Pennsylvania the answer is yes it can be enough a Pennsylvania appeals court overturned a judge's ruling that state police did not have a valid reason to search a car just because it smelled like marijuana the higher court said Lehigh county judge Maria de Santos should have considered other evidence that did support the search the Allentown morning call reports police found a loaded gun and marijuana in a passenger's possession but because he had a medical marijuana card the judge said he should have been let go prosecutors successfully argued the search was legal police have a right to conduct a warrantless search if they believe there's hidden contraband inside a vehicle but new questions are now arising because marijuana is permitted now in so many states I'm Jackie Quinn

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Florida's Governor Lifts All COVID-19 Restrictions on Businesses Statewide and Wants 'Bill of Rights' for College Students

WBT Afternoon Programming

00:29 sec | 2 months ago

Florida's Governor Lifts All COVID-19 Restrictions on Businesses Statewide and Wants 'Bill of Rights' for College Students

"Santis lifted all restrictions on restaurants and other businesses in Florida today in a move to reopen the state's economy despite the continuing spread of the virus. The Republican governor's order allows restaurants across Florida to immediately reopen at full capacity and restricts the ability of city and county elected leaders in the state from taking their own steps. Santos, also calling for a bill of rights to protect college students who face expulsion for attending parties and violation of covert 19 guidelines that the schools are trying to enforce.

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Los Angeles - California Battles Largest-Ever Fire As Tens Of Thousands Flee

Clark Howard

00:48 sec | 3 months ago

Los Angeles - California Battles Largest-Ever Fire As Tens Of Thousands Flee

"Battle the state's largest ever inferno was, tens of thousands of people fled blazes up and down the West Coast, and officials warn that the death toll could shoot up in coming days. We get more from reporter Rene Santos homes burnt to the ground. Years of memories gone, the North complex West's own fire, leaving people trapped. Among the now missing Kelly Burke because I tried calling her House phone's turned off and 16 year old Messiah. His mom who's out of state now scrambling to book a flight to California. I love you. Please call me Let mom know where you're at and Michelle rank or Aldridge is praying her sister Kelly is safe after flames ripped through her Bury Creek home of 20 years. Neighbors. Tell her Kelly left with friends. She just wants to know she's okay.

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"k santos" Discussed on Gee Thanks, Just Bought It

Gee Thanks, Just Bought It

07:49 min | 3 months ago

"k santos" Discussed on Gee Thanks, Just Bought It

"Doesn't need to burn around like or like booty shorts. Yeah. You should be making F- leisure at this point. So so is it is there like do you find that people are really at a baseline where they're like Whoa so moisturizer you know like, what do I like sunscreen? Oh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So where do you start with people? So I think like with the burner, her is like when we were teens, we had that Saint I've scrub. Got Won all these awards and it was late rubbing gravel on your face. Your face would be so raw and you'd be like Look Ma I. Also are perfect teen skin like pre acne I was rubbing that I was taking off layers down to like raw boned being like. Horse right ex-. Would like sting the out your face I still kind of like next pants. They do help with acne like if you have like. Like topical like Somehow I get cystic acne sometimes but try experts do work but I also know that like you like really limit the amount of alcohol you're putting on your face that drives it out. But I think like so yeah. But the basics I feel like just a gentle like everyone's like gentle cleanser but like. Get a counter that like works for you like bill doesn't mean what does that mean? You don't want your you don't want to like. So you don't want your face to feel super tight super dry. Or. Like after you wash your face like you don't want to feel like you're you're superabrasives your face. So in the and now skincare her a lot of scheme companies put like the levels, and so it's like you want something around like the Ph of water. I have to Google that is not something gets nothing like right in the middle. You want it like you don't want it to be too harsh or to check. To. Be Banned. So I don't know I. Guess the One I use is the indy league I like it because it smells like tomatoes very together. It sounds really good. I'm literally. It's tomato and strawberry. It's Indie Lee. So good. I'm looking. Right now just so I can like ask you questions about it that works for me but Yeah. Anything until people also really like that soy cleanser from fresh I actually really liked dislike condor fresh fresh great. Don't sleep on cash. And so I think. But yeah, I, think the thing that they have in common is that there's it's not harsh and it's like it's doesn't stretch. Yes. Doesn't STREP Europe beautiful face. Well, if you're just starting out that if you're like a thirty five year old male who has never really done anything beyond like soap and water and like maybe CFL like. I don't know and and you're also sort of like you know because I imagine a lot of men out there who like. Understand. That washing your face isn't. FEMININE OR HOMOSEXUAL? But also being like, okay. But for thirty five years, that's all anyone kind of the messaging got. So like you know, I'm a little intimidated to walk into a store and like ask or like. 'cause there's probably a dual knowing how it feels to be a woman. There's probably like a dueling thing internally where it's like I know that it's fine but also, I don't WanNA walk in and be like and be like totally out myself as somebody who hasn't been doing anything with their skin for thirty five years so like. If the women or the partners of these new jobs. Are responsible like forgetting I don't know like sometimes it's just about like like you said, if you put it in the bathroom, it will get used. So how do you stealthily like what are good like? I, Dunno not generic but like can can help a spectrum of people 'cause like I feel like it has to you know change us to start at home I can't I couldn't send down to the store to get like skin care and expect him to know what to ask so like if I was doing. I don't know if I wanted to stock my shelves with something for like. I Dunno facial fuel like what would you get? That's like, okay. This is basically like a safe. The. 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"Oliver Karaz was born and raised in Germany mostly in rural parts of the country his mother was German and his father was from Iran in came from a long line of doctors. For me, it really starts in some ways with my dad and. The timing rapidly had every reason to become a social activist and and so he came to Germany from the Middle East when he was very young around twenty with no money in his pocket no language skills. And you personally then worked on of odd jobs, but he eventually became a psychiatrist but what has really shaped me much more than being born in Berlin is. Social. Active. Isn't that I that I saw him live and that he really made our family mattress we always talked about talent responsibility and the need to use. Whatever telling behind to help those. Around us that we can make a difference. Given that your father was Iranian and your mother was was sort of. German. An Uber even though you were born in Germany, did you feel did you feel as Germany everybody else? So I didn't have a second identity. We only used spoke German at home and yet. As you say I was also a not always fully accepted. So if I give you an example, my school twelve hundred students and you could pick out to the didn't look like everyone else and I was one of them right and even an enlightened country like Germany. That is notable. So I had what I call a visual accent would people would see me on the street and they would ask me how to speak German. So well and But they also school the skipped my name when reading out scores because they weren't sure how to pronounce my last name and opportunities taken away and even at was physically threatened so i. I think that really shaping in many ways because I realized. Very early that in order to be as successful as everyone around me I would have to be dramatically better in really work much much harder than anyone else and so that used to be strong work ethic in me. For the record Oliver is somewhat down playing his work ethic. Because just out of high school, he actually started his first successful company. It was the early clunky days of the Internet, and he designed a way to help people send emails more easily and he wound up selling that business not for a ton of money, but enough to get him through medical school. But. After practicing medicine for a couple years Oliver realized he couldn't stop thinking about that first business he'd started and how he wanted to start another. So he quit his job in medicine and consulting job with Mackenzie and eventually moved to New York. That was my goal was actually to start another company that that's A. Healthcare, but I I'd also realized at the time that I sold my first company and far too cheaply in that I should learn more about business I and at McKinsey God exposure to balance sheets and panels and hit a lot of very practical experience and what it means to manage business. And I think they fondly of my time at McKinsey was one of my better decisions. McKinsey GonNa Mackenzie is a little bit like going to business school. A lot of people at McKinsey have come from business, schools. In that. Many people go to business school thinking they will find a co-founder. Did you were you actively looking around at your colleagues to think maybe I can do something with him or her you know maybe that person. Absolutely and were you just thinking about different business ideas all the time? Well, it is actually very hard to find good ideas and my definition of a good idea was that it needed to have a great mission I. wanted to make sure that we actually do something good in that. We stayed true to sort of talent breaks responsibility, but also wanted to be a large market and to have a great motor rounded and also I wanted to be based on contrarian inside. Because I thought that all of the best companies have that at its core. While she wanted mission, you wanted a company that could kind of dominate its field by building a motor around it, but was also contrary and that's that's that's those are some interesting. Criteria. And that's why I screen for several years rejected pretty much every idea that that I came across And meanwhile. While you're going through all that I guess you meet this guy Cyrus Masumi. WHO's another McKenzie consultant and and just you just. Become friends like he's like somebody like in and you guys start hanging out. While we got put on study together that required us to travel globally and you've ever done that it meant frost were sixteen eighteen hour days together for three four, five months on end and we really. Got To become great partners in that and and what we realized that we had some. Very complementary skills. Cyrus is one of the most charismatic and gregarious individuals. You'd ever meet his very passionate. He could be more forceful, which sometimes was needed to be effective with clients. And you've talked to me now for a little bit as you can probably tell. More dispassionate and logical and more measuring. German? More, German in many ways, right. also was effective with clients by by. and Cyrus is American right? He's American this but that That close listened and how we work together that really started friendship and we stayed close for the study and be caught up over lunch pretty regularly denounce different business ideas off one another and. I think we connected because we had similar interests because. On. Some levels We were equally passionate about what we're doing higher says, passion was more visible to others than mine but we. Were close enough together that we both accepted. The other as. individual that that we could learn a lot from. Was it was it clear pretty soon after you start hanging out, Sarah's that this was the guy because you were. You're on the lookout for a partner. They I think it was was absolutely an option I know reality is that. With. Both founded companies before Mckinsey and we both knew that we wanna do it again and as I. was always great about being. Very honest. Rather than just nice and and I value that a lot. Yeah. All, right. So So this guy, Cyrus Super Charismatic, really smart clearly, the two of you start to to work together. And what what kind of business ideas are are you coming up with? While we kind of fell in love with a new idea that came about a one of these launches were Cyrus. Told me about how he recently ruptured his eardrum by flying with a cold and then found it very difficult to actually find a doctor and he had asked for recommendations and called down his insurance directory listing started with the as. Doctors weren't accepting new patients some no longer accepted two centurions one provider Pasta Way and so he said, well, why does it take four days to the doctor when I'm in pain right? And why can't this much easier? And we. Both very quickly. realized the potential of this idea from. Working at project be new helps us the for actually spending millions of dollars for marketing to grow their patient base because they had wasted inventory, right they had something that I like to call hidden supply, which is these last minute cancellations no-shows reschedules. That the that go to waste, and then on the other, there are the patients who had a hard time accessing this. You thought it immediately clicked with these my God. Yes. Doctor's appointments connect patients to doctors. Yeah. Well, look if you go through the forfeiture that I had read, it's a great mission right? We're making one of the most personal needs more accessible for for patients we can help patients to get in fast we can help the doctors become more efficient. We can make the entire health care system more cost effective people out of the emergency room things like that, and it's a marketplace. So there is a strong mode and clearly anything in healthcare is a large market and I think the contrary and inside that we had. was. The fact that. Most people thought it's normal that people have to wait twenty four days to a doctor because there's a doctor shortage in read our inside was really no doctors have asthma debate ability because of these last minute cancellations, no-shows reschedules and so I felt very about this idea. So. So you member like how long between the time that the you had that first conversation To the time were both you said, let's start this business was like monster or weeks or days. was was weeks. We what we what we started doing is actually. Mocking up the side in how imagine back then in powerpoint pointing just the wire. Website. Yeah. Wire frame. Exactly. We would. We'd go into starbucks and we'll chat up strangers and say, Hey, here's a five dollar gift card. Give me your thoughts. Sorry I'm GonNa. Go back. You just go to people in starbucks Gift Card and say, can you give me your thoughts? Random Person? The absolutely that's that was sort of our market testing. They wouldn't. They would be like excuse me this is a little weird. You're my space. Might also happen from time to time but you know there's lots of people on starbucks is very in German of you. That's debris because usually he would be to report tentative about doing that. Well, you know I think there was a lot less rejection than you think people actually quite open I. Suggest you try this out but if you If you're unthreatening in Luke harmless as we probably dead and then they'll be pretty open. You went up to and starbucks and you'd say, Hey, we're thinking about a company here. Can you just look at his powerpoint give you five dollars Gift Card and what was in the powerpoint, the popcorn and was just what we thought. This website would look like and we would ask them is the set service that resonates with you would you use it and and we got an incredibly valuable feedback here and really set us in many ways on the on the right track right? So and what pointed to the two of you decide let's quit McKinsey. Let's. Let's pursue this. Probably a month or two after we initially discussed idea did anybody say you were crazy for quitting? Everyone. Everyone told us. Crazy and got a lot of negative feedback on the idea to write people would say this is Bloomberg out I would never pick my doctor on the internet or I already have a doctor or you know doctors wouldn't accept patients that that are looking on the Internet of all kinds of protections that people had when they were thinking about their own situation by. When when you talk to people and starbucks, they actually thought about it much more positively. So we were encouraged enough to say, well, this is going to work as long as we get out of our circle and don't ask McKinsey consultants doctors. The responsible be better. All right. So you are in your thirties at this point. And presumably were making pretty good cash at McKinsey because you were probably you'd know expenses you're on the road all the time so. When you quit, I'm assuming you had some money to launch the business and probably live off for a while. Yeah. So I very deliberately had never raised my living standard to the money that the paying McKinsey and I had saved every dime so that I could. No be in a position where can fund this embraced can afford not to take a salary for a couple of years. Wow. So so a couple of hundred thousand and you saved. You know. Maybe. I'm to Germany to discuss personal finances but. I had. Built this. Radio, you can tell the. Story Yeah I I had I had enough money to live off for for several years but I also Saturday night both finance the company early out of our own savings so that clearly diminish We had leftover after that. So now, you both decided to quit. and. You have some technical expertise because you had. You had done some coding but this is next level stuff. Were you able to be that technology founder and Cyrus was going to be the the sort of the business founder? Absolutely not as I add coated but at that point, I had not touched a computer for a long time We knew we need to have a technical co founder and so Sarah's knew a guy named Nick Guanzhou from the time together, trophy software, and this is another company that they would both worked at the that's the company that they're both previously worked together and Nick just brought a totally different perspective and really educated Addison me on a lot of things and and he was really the one who understood a building a seamless experience for the consumer and ends May. Zach Docs. Early Genius, did you did you have the name dock from the beginning? Not, not initially we we went to several phases on on what the right name could be for for while we wanted to have a descriptive name. So we looked at physicians, dot Com Doctors Dot Com, and we actually tracked down the owners of one of these domains and they wanted several million dollars for the domain name. And and we were finding the company ourselves. So that was out of the question. So then we just sat in a room and we brainstorm a list of fifty or one hundred names, and then started eliminating names until we arrived at Dr. What does it mean? or it doesn't mean anything which was the WTO bit we could. There were zero search results. Okay. There's no meaning behind his ACH. There's no meaning behind and and in hindsight it was precisely the right thing to do because it really was a blank slate for us to fill with with meaning and really build a brand around. Zero such as October we started. It address nate the right lake once you know that it takes more than three weeks from picking up the phone and dialing for doctors till you actually see someone you realize Oh, this really not much else that we have to wait so long for to get. And this is more important than most of these other things you already have. Fantastic access View Magin. If air travel way that healthcare workers that wouldn't be an expedia that wouldn't even be Delta Dot Com that would be individual phone numbers for every plane. Imagine. If that happened, you know a half the planes would fly empty it would be a massive pain and that was actually the state of health care before sock. Is Amazing that that the nothing like this was out there in two thousand seven. I look at I. Think. In many ways you couldn't build it a much earlier. In the early days. When we went out there, we were the ones installing Internet of the doctor's offices. We. They they were a many times just migrating from a paper books to scheduling systems. We were at the cusp of digitisation for healthcare. We were just lucky in our timing to get this right in and start offering the service when that also happened. All right. So you decide to pursue Zach dock and it's the three of you. I'm assuming really just at the beginning and were you working out of out of one of your apartments? Did you guys rent space? No, we worked out of respect for. Many. Times we came to make yet the nicest apartment and and we could bring breakfast Burrito and bake him up and you know the the reality is that we originally had a pretty ambitious launch plan right so we got together around July. We wanted to launch by December of two, thousand seven. Something interesting happened were nick send an email suggesting to look at what was then called techcrunch forty. Take is is now a household name but the draw for us back then was there was a fifty thousand dollar prize now it's called tech crunch disrupt think. So it's a major a startup competition. It's a startup competition and we were the first class of this was much less known be budgeted two hours to fill in the application in really which will send it off. He didn't think about it anymore that there was an early July and early August we've heard that we had been accepted, but there was a complication we'd have to be ready by September eighteenth or. That was three months sooner than we had originally planned to launch. So you'd have a live website by September that is right that is right with doctors with doctors, right So we actually debated for a few hours whether we should even tried to go for that but we ultimately said, yes, we can get the website working and we wanted to have enough doctors just a bars wouldn't look pathetic. Brayden. Coded Night Neither Day and nick really busted his but he did the patient facing side of the website and that was the programs. What was potentially even harder because we're tried to launch a marketplace was to actually get the initial supply on there and remember the website wasn't there yet so. Tires ended up going door to door for doctors offices. Excuse telling them a powerpoint page, and this is really a testament to cyrus sheer willing determination if you think about what it means to really start a company early on, there's nothing to show right you may be a powerpoint but there's no website there's no patience. There's no other doctors no social proof and it has to run on passion and very clear that that is Cyrus superpower. He just went to random doctors offices or he had like a list of doctors offices and he started kind of walking block by block. Well, there's a lot of walking involved a we launched in Manhattan so you can literally go down the street and you see. The signs and you walk in. And he was basically saying look, it's a way to connect you to patients. How was how many by the way? What was your objective? How many doctors do you need to sign up to have this website look okay by September Between six and ten was our goal. Okay. So just doable it is a was extremely hard really. Is telling doctors is one of the hardest things to do why were they saying? Well, first of all, it is baby very hard to even speak to a doctor they are being shielded. Their time is very valuable. Office managers are trained not to let anyone talk to them to protect the doctor from people walking in selling them stuff shirt them. Secondly, they many didn't want to give up control over their calendar which has to write. We ask them to post times that a patient could book into it and it was just a far fetched idea for many of them the patients would actually do this. So he got a lot of knows he got a lot of knows. He'd go there and he just simply not leave until he got a chance to speak to the doctor and a few times. It was even escorted out by security. I really think one in a million could have put this off. I mean was he going to particular kinds of doctors or was he generally focused on an Internet general? Practitioners Ob sobe began with dentists Okay. Because our thinking was that. People go to dentists most often, and we wanted to make sure that we have an offering that is relevant for patients as often as possible. I. Got you so so eventually unassuming, you do get what six to ten or how many did you get by September of two thousand seven Eight. In the meantime, you inequity doing the back end stuff you were doing the coding and building the website does right and as you were building it. How did it look? So. The bit that Nick Build looked awesome for the time I think. It was impressive. We were. Very. Satisfied that we had a scroll bar that we had a map that we had back then already the insurance selector and a lot of feature that. Weren't to be found really anywhere else. All right. So September two, thousand, seven, you are ready to reveal. This service at. Tech. Crunch. And Doth Review present or did did Cyrus kind of wishy the spokesperson? Cyrus. I presented Nick stayed behind in New York to make sure that the less the website was actually up and running This is in San Francisco that you went to the we flew out to San Francisco and So we lost sock talk in front of Eight, nine, hundred people. A lot of them were journalists when the judges opened up with feedback guy covers ocoee who we newnan in valued. As embezzles forever apple he came out to said he he didn't get it. He would never use this in front of everyone right and. His direct load something like honestly Oh, it just never occurred to me to go to any doctor that's really burned in in my brain and what was worse is that he seemed to be right we didn't get a single booking. We were hoping that this PR would get us out of our initial batch of users, right because your other. So many tech journalists there. So you know the publicity may be would would would lead to bookings and that was the hope but. It actually took three days before regard our first legitimate a patient, and and in the entire first month, we only got five bookings. You come back from San Francisco and. You know you had Guy Kawasaki. Say I don't I would never use this service? I'm sure he feels differently today but man maybe then Ezio said that but did did you come back feeling like like dejected like losers or or were you excited like how did you feel coming back? While you know I think we obviously hoping we would eventually get more bookings and In the beginning you probably refreshed. The Bookings Report Hundred Times a day by as we were thinking through what we realized. It was really a typical two sided marketplace challenge It's just a classic chicken and egg problem. You need the supply to get the demand and you need the demand to entice them supply and for dark was even trickier. Right when you think about it, healthcare is hyper local. Very complicated. So you have to match. Supply and demand on a Zip code specialty level, and then we have thousands of insurances take. Until we realized that our odds of actually finding a patient that wanted. An offer there. Quite low, and so the best path forward was to methodically build up supply, and so we just kept going put up a huge map of Manhattan on the wall, and then a sleep put little flags on of where the doctor's brother we're on the website in which insurance is accepted and we just we knew the perseverance. Is the name of the game. Back in just a moment how oliver and Cyrus Begin to drum up interest in stock and how they even start to raise some money at figure out how to dress differently, stay with us guy rows and you're listening to how I built this from NPR. Hey everyone. Just a quick thanks to our sponsors who helped make this podcast possible I to epic provision maker of epic bar beef was nature's idea the epic bar was. 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A lot of their offices especially back in two, thousand, seven or sort of technologically in the Stone Age. There was incredibly complicated to sink the doctors calendars with ours. Because none of the software was actually made to sink. Were even in the places where we had syncs up and running, we would frequently get. Feedback while the punishment didn't happen because the doctor wasn't available and we really couldn't figure out why this was the case because when we did screen chairs with the office to their calendar and and our calendar, it was identical right and couldn't figure out why that's happening. So I decided to sit next to the office manager I went there and got to know him and his family photos of his dog. I fixed the printer taught a better strategies to play minesweeper still couldn't figure it out. Until one day, the doctor would come out and she'd say, Hey David I'm out next Friday. And then what does David do does he go into the calendar and block out next Friday or does he take a post? It note On a doctor out next Friday and sticks this too is monitor. In the real world. These post it notes, of course happen and but once you know that Matthew Friend, you can start filtering this out and that's one example they were literally a thousand point, one percent solutions that we had to figure out to make this work. Wow. That sounds I'm getting exhausted. Just hearing about that because this is like even like Google calendars, right? Yeah. Yeah. That was that was early days and what we were extremely focused around were making show the experience was fantastic. If something went wrong, we fix it. Right. So I was our customer service I personally would call the doctor and and confirmed the appointment was all said if it wasn't I, personally contact the patient to let them know and then I would offer them. Amazon Gift Card alongside with an apology those actually one case where it didn't catch a patient in time. and. The were in the subway to the doctor, and so I raised them to the doctor's office and picked up a bouquet of flowers on the way there and met them in person to apologize. And that was really a turning point burs. The service has to work and we need to be have this patients I attitude in in terms of how it works completely ingrained in the company. All right. So you clearly need to kind of grow this Were you offering this service doctors for free at the time? Initially. We for free by we eventually started charging fifty dollars per month. But Sam doctor you come into my office and you say, Hey, if you pay me I can bring you more customers. I would be skeptical I would've said to you you who whose, who even knows about you. You'RE GONNA you're asking me to pay you money for Phantom bookings for maybe no customers I mean did some of the doctors say Many. The US summarize our sales challenge. Right? It was very hard because even if you wanted to, we couldn't easily share how many patients their competitors are down the road God like that was something that was confidential. All right. So you are you got this chicken and egg problem. Not, enough people signing up and he gets skeptical doctors but you know that the service could really benefit the doctors, but you also need them to pay for because otherwise you know but business. Meantime at a certain point I'm assuming you guys start to think we'd better go out and look for money if we're going to really make this thing work. Yeah. Yeah. That that happened in the spring of two, thousand, eight we decided we raise series. And we we make the rounds we get in front of a number of the big name, BC New York the also go to Sandhill road in impel. Toho Santo Road we leads and road initially were very successful at all we got Polite knows. and. Ray No feedback control someone took us as I told us you know what the idea seems. Good. But you're consultants I'd and the perspective of its consultants can't get anything done and what realized is that even though we had both founded companies before our Mackenzie Pedigree in our keys and button down shirts, they were really hurting us, and so we wait rank Khakis and button down shirts. It sounds crazy. Were they pleaded pants or were they at least nine pleaded please. Yeah Yeah. Yeah we after hearing that feedback We very quickly just went to the next gap and bought jeans and t-shirts and from that on the combos with VC's when but a lot better. So you went from McKinsey consultant look to this are the tech casual uniform of jeans and t-shirts that that's exactly right and we introduced ourselves not as NBA's and McKinsey Consultants but we introduce ourselves previous entrepreneurs that are starting their next company. was was anyone biting? Were there people who were like? Yeah there's a great idea I'm in. So interesting enough we had raised some money from. Friends and colleagues, and many of those they invested in US business plan unseen just based on the fact that we. Were giving up our careers at McKinsey to pursue talks. So that felt really a great. and. As we started changing how we appeared in how we introduced ourselves to venture capitalists L., we started to get offers and so in August of two thousand eight, we ended up raising five million from KHOSLA ventures expeditions mark. Wow Mark Banya Jeff bezos, and Venus is. All their. Funds are in which sounds like a lot before you WanNa do it's actually. Kinda limited because you still it seems to me in two thousand eight even though you have five million dollars a lot of money you still have this problem which is you've gotta get. Customers, and then to get customers, you need lots of doctors had lots of options but to get doctors, you need lots of customers booking through the site to you do that precisely D- These five million dollars per lily earmarked for making New, York, work, right, Miguel, I market work but. immediately after raising the money the financial crisis hit. And You may remember there was rest in peace a memo that went around about startups, right? Yes. About start ups, never being able to raise money arrested in peace good times. So we got this job is to make the money stretch in. We probably learn not during this time This was really our first go round making hard choices and what I want to be frugal and not to do things we can't afford and We learned to not let money replace critical, thinking and creativity. But now we continued to grind away at New York and at some point felt while if you want to get. To the next level we have to prove. Dr Isn't just a New York City phenomenon. Right? We had to prove that it would work in a second city But at that point, we didn't have the money to do this anymore, and by the way you're still your approach was still the same. It was door to door. That's right door to door and how how you building awareness about the about the fact Zach existed with customers with potential customers. So we it was day very difficult to get someone. To the website. Yeah but when they did. They loved it because it was such a step change from how healthcare used to work for him. Right they used to have to pick up the phone and wait on hold and then plays scheduling. tetris. With the office manager, can you do Wednesday morning about Thursday noon? Friday afternoon, and now they could do the same thing in a minute and have complete overview about the ability patients loved it and they told their friends. So we we started to get word of mouth. Going, and so we saw New York really taking up and we felt like, okay, this does this go into work in New York. At a minimum rate, but we also realized that it took us a fair bit of time. And money to get it going. In New, York and do we couldn't with the money we had left from the five million easily expanded into a new city at the same time. Raising money was going to be difficult because the next generation of investors wanted to see that it works and other cities as Walter. So we were a little bit in this catch twenty, two we ended up. Applying to. Force boost Your Business Competition Four. Forbes has his competition as sell to where they give away money right to they were promising a hundred thousand dollar prize. And at this time. We won. And Yeah what did is they gave us one of these large publishers. Clearinghouse is sex and very useful actually used to cover a hole in one in our only conference room. There was a hole in the wall and we covered it with that. At, this point you are, you are working out of an office, not not an apartment at this point we were working out of A. Shared Office space we work. Yeah. So they had given us publisher clearing house is is check but they fail to give us the small check for three months and we were getting really nervous, but it would still get it but. But ultimately, we got that one hundred thousand dollars and that's what we used to launch and our second market in DC in Washington DC and would did it require you guys to move down there or were you did you hire because I'm assuming you had to? A lot of your early capital was going into sales. Business Development hiring sales reps, is that right? Right, we had a couple of sales reps at the time. A. Very first employee ever was a sales rep is still with the company today and He was great. He figured out how to. Really charm his way. To the doctor. So there were no more security guards escorting anyone out. When did you? I'm assuming that even in two, thousand, nine, two, thousand, ten, and beyond we're not yet profitable. Far From It? Yeah. Far from it right because it's a capital intensive business. Yes. We obviously invested heavily in customer service wanted patients to have a great experience. And we had a quite sizable engineering team because that was actually a major engineering effort. So what started to happen when did you start to kind of see? A real turning point. Yeah. So we we we had launched New, York successfully with. Years. Of hardwork, we've gotten it off the ground is transported that to DC at work well, in DC, and now he said, well, why are we not in more cities and so we actually we raised serious be with fouled respond and We used to expand off the East Coast Francisco then Chicago and we just got better better at it. So we then ended up raising serious and two thousand eleven from Goldman NTSC, and we primarily use this to grow our sales team and sign up more more doctors in from two thousand eleven till two thousand, thirteen, we launched roughly thirty new cities I read that by by two thousand, fourteen would covered. Like forty percent of markets in the US, which is huge I mean that's right I mean that's a huge number of cities. And in that year evaluation. Of tzakda. Past Billion Dollars I mean that's That's pretty remarkable i. mean you were kind of on this like really rapid trajectory and you a pretty straightforward model right and you were charging doctors a flat fee every year and then. They could take all the bookings they wanted and I think that by that point like by two thousand, fourteen knew it was not cheap. It was expensive viewed really raised the price it was like three thousand dollars a year, right? Something like that. Yes recharged Dr Three thousand dollars a year and and there was a flat fee. No matter. How many bookings Actually facilitated for them and and the reality was for some doctors that got a lot of bookings that was a great deal. Yeah. But but there were also doctors that God a lot fewer bookings and for them that fixed cost was actually too expensive and some of them were starting to leave the service, and so we got into a situation that required us to invest a lot to stay where we are and then invest even more to continually grow our overall provider base, which means we had to build out a massive sales team to always sign up more doctors right and. Some point during this time L. Nick actually ran an analysis showed that it would take several years if ever fries to make our money back on on many of the doctors we signed up because you would have to sign up. X number of hundreds of thousands of doctors paying that amount every year. To make your money back to to make sort of our the cost of the sales team back. Wow and L. it. This was pure that would make us dependent on external capital for our very long time, and now it's a clearly there are many companies that have taken. Grow fast at all costs approach. And They Held onto this forty extended period of time by L., it clearly puts talking to a dependency to. Investors in their mind says, yeah. So. Meantime. You know I I from what I understand. There's disagreements I mean there there are you know the leadership team including Cyrus he he's I. Think he's he's sort of his position as the flat fee model is actually the best way to go is that a fair assessment of of his position? Yeah. I think that's right. I. Mean there were two fundamentally divergent ways held the business could go forward right. One way was to continue to work on optimizing the unit economics of our subscription model and the other way was to think about how to make it more transformative leap and then find a new more profitable. And more sustainable model and. Their. Look I can certainly understand The reluctance and taking this leap if companies rechange their underlying business model once they have a certain scale and then live to tell about it, right. We know the names of the companies that have done this net flicks, but from DVD's to streaming adobe. From box software to the cloud, but there's not a lot of companies that do that. and. Needed to make a choice which which direction I wanted to go. And and I should say over that. Became intensely personal for you because hugh and Cyrus really disagreed on on on the direction of the company should take. Steps down he he left the company and you moved into the role of CEO. Those right and what ask you about this neo. Beauty's in the flies of this show is its simplicity and we talked to one person or sometimes too. It's a single narrative, and so we don't have cyrus with us to tell us what happened but I wanna ask you about this time because. This was your co founder. This was your partner This is your friend and he was leaving the company. How did you feel at that time? I all I can say was a very hard and very emotional period for everyone involved and It was certainly a departure But how was through that given these two divergent choices you you couldn't. note, both of us could be useful to talk and. I have to imagine that for for period. China. was sort of the friendship. Look been we were very close we. Were not only friends we had worked for eight years believe together fourteen hours a day, and we probably talked more to each other than to anyone else in our lives but you know. Still touch from time to time and. I think he's joining us on from sideline. He still at prison million owner of the company Yeah, he's still. Here's the thing I mean we've we've told stories about breakups we've had we've had episodes were there were married couples who split divorced but continued the business e O products. Susan Griffin Black and an her husband Brad They continued the business stacy's pita chips continue the business after the divorce sold it for a quarter billion dollars. You guys were worth value to one point eight billion dollars at this point. was was ever party that just thought you know, God look at what we're doing on the core we're going and. I mean did you in service it down and say you know this thing is just growing and? Let's just figure this out. I think the challenge is that it's not as if there was an article way to decide what the right path forward is. As long as investors wanted to give us money growing all costs was yeah. Fine Strategy. The question was just how dependent you wanted to be on the continued goodwill of investors. It sounds like you were tired of going out raising money. You didn't want to do that anymore. Oh, not at all but I think you want to raise money from a position where you know what your turn to is and and. It wasn't clear that the business model would work in in a way that that we could just flip a switch and be profitable. Yeah. So. That was a tough year for you. Two, thousand fifteen. There was an article in business I think business insider, and it was about the sales team. It's October that year and it was. It was some allegations that you know Pete member sales team using adderall even cocaine they were under immense pressure. They were working all the time when you saw that article. And I'm not saying you even aware of any of this. You may not even aware of it but I. have to think that that article really alarmed you and and maybe even embarrassed you. Look A. There were a number of articles in two thousand fourteen fifteen. Didn't absolutely get everything, right but Budweiser I can say is that At. The time doctor had their sales team and we're. Getting very quickly and Your maybe maybe. Too focused on. L. Hitting targets and. Not. Focus enough on creating a strong culture the I hear these stories from six years ago from from time to time and from from now from candidates and and really every time. This happens like a Gut Punch. Because, this we know we're completely different company now. On on so many levels, but clearly, you saw that in new that you had to change something. While yes, I look I l there's a there's a couple of things about this. Right? We are a technology company, but we had said ourselves up too much about. Instead of writing wins and really too little about being adaptable and darning and and building the trust required to try things that now pet the risk of failure. and. So one of the first things I did is to change core values. You know to emphasize those behaviors each one of our values adaptable, not comfortable and other one is progress before perfection learners before masters right and. We only kept really one DIA CONSTANT DEL patients I. Personally that. That was more of the culture that I thought was right for Doc to succeed on many dimensions. So, you take over the company it's got high valuation, but you're still not making money and you know that you've gotta change the underlying business model you're never gonNA make money. And from what I understand this is the beginning of what you have internally described as the second founding of the company. That is right. That is right and that basically happens in in two thousand, eighteen you you launch this new business model where instead of the the dollar membership fee. Basically, you would charge doctors a lot less like two hundred or three hundred bucks, but then every booking you, you would take a cut from that booking. So like a travel agency. A little bit charge for new patient booking. So the existing patients to practice we made free but yes, there was the fundamental idea and. It sounds like such an obvious thing to do but but here's the problem with it and why why are we thought it was incredibly risky to try this. Our best customers that had been on for a long time. They got lots of pockets right and if we start charging them per bookings, their prices go up very significantly in some cases ten times more and that seemed. Competing, insane to us. In. Particular because when we talked to other companies that were at gone through similar changes and even pricing experts, they're number one advisor was make sure whatever you do never charged your best customers more and frost would be precisely. The opposite. In the thing that was counter-balancing this in our mind was well, maybe we'd be able to bring on a lot more doctors because the barrier to entry is now much lower that was there was the back and forth in the team to figure out whether that's the path we want to want to go. So, this is still a risky strategy because you're depending really on new bookings because the two hundred dollar annual fees dramatically lower and I have to imagine in year one, you actually saw drop in your revenue in the year one of of this curve. Second founding. Right. Well, it's from a risk profile worth at that. Right the warriors that you lose all your best customers in with it, all the bookings day used to be getting. and. So we needed to be ready for a very significant drop in bookings and revenue and the second Challenge was here that. The beauty of this approach modest and we got all this money upfront right and Sharon. Now to bond, we're getting paid after the booking with with a thirty day payment periods, we had a huge working capital requirement to make that happen. So did you see a drop and revenue in two thousand eighteen when you rolled this out? No we didn't because we actually didn't see the doctors leave the way that we hit on -ticipant did in fact, you know while we had very much worried that they would be upset and some of them certainly were upset. We were providing so much value to them that. You know what? What took you. So long I knew as getting a great deal all along. So that worked really well, and we had piloted in Georgia initially in April. Two thousand eighteen and then that had worked. So we we then all allowed in Colorado a few weeks later that work to, and from there we went to Washington state and again, very positive results and after these three days. Okay Great. We know this works does it out in our largest most important market? Let's go to New York and that and terribly horribly wrong. They the doctors in New York. Not only were so pissed off they actually I read. mounted a change dot org. Petition I. Don't know what to to to end this practice or something. They were really mad. They were really really mad and I guess you guys responded you said, are we won't we won't roll this out in New York for a while. Yeah look in New York. We. Facilitate Roughly, one in five new patient doctor relationship in the entire city on dock and so. The economic impact for the providers in. was much greater than for the providers in Georgia Colorado Washington. So yes, to give you one example, there's a dermatologist and so and he paid under the ultimate model ten doctor say paid thirty thousand dollars and under the new pricing model, his cost was going to go up from thirty thousand dollars to roughly three hundred, forty, thousand dollars. Wow. So what was your response to that? I? Mean it seems like a pretty reasonable. Concern. Yeah. So look after the conversation with the Dermatologists I. Actually. Put down the phone and I thought you know what? He's right. And so I pause and we regrouped and. We did a couple. Of things during this time, like the first one is we just went on a listening tour. You know we talked to provide their feedback and we just adjusted our this plan to give providers a much longer grace period to decide whether the wants to addition to the new model or not, and then. So then we read on New York six months later and and when dramatically better. So the strategy works and you see results from the strategy pretty quickly like within a year. Within a year, we had we finally at some incredible momentum was really going better than we had expected in our wildest dreams. Our existing client went down to essentially zero. I mean people still retire and and move jobs by no one really left the service and we were adding more and more providers because the barrier to entry was low and So in two thousand, nineteen we began growing profitably. It sounds like two thousand and nineteen was really the banner year. Two thousand nine hundred was a was a fantastic year and honestly we had so much momentum coming into twenty twenty and feel like, Hey, we worked really hard for three years and profitable and now the sky was the limit until. Tells Sam until March of two thousand twenty. Two Marjo twenty twenty and that's. That's really maybe the third founding DOC right? Well, I want to ask you about March twenty twenty because. Your Business is based on people booking with doctors and going to the doctor I have to imagine your revenues must have plummeted like every other industry like I mean doctors offices are still in most of the country. Slow or are trickle of patients coming in. With the lockdown started happening we saw impersonal bookings declining anywhere between fifty to ninety percent by the end of March I'm not surprised and lot of that buys I was getting was to. Lay off people and make sure that we hunker down to weather the storm but I saw an opportunity to build windmills, right so I thought well, we need to be there for our patients. We should be expanding into telehealth and I need every team member to help me do that and so we. Really went all important and supporting video visits and I'll probably June eighteen began redesigning the tire marketplace support virtual care, and so we actually released. Doctor Video Service and we made this available to. Any. Physician whether they are on soccer. for free. And by the way head, you plan to do this. How long would would I mean I'm imagining if you said in in February district I really want to focus on telehealth Would you have expected that by May would have been ready to go. Absolutely. Not I think what has been really fantastic to see is how? We really finished two years of roadmap in two months. Wow, and it's great because it's just gives us a window on what the next phase of doctor will be and really looking forward to that in my mind were the point were Amazon started from going. Books to also adding CDs. We have just gone from doing only in person to also A. Doing telehealth and I can't wait to see how this unfolds. It sounds like you. Might be reading between the lines but. You. Really, admire and respect your co-founders particularly. Cyrus and the work that he did to to build this company but I wonder if do you think that you will a I dunno, rekindle your friendship i. Is it something that is in the cards because a break is? Is Emotionally, it's hard Mesa really hard. Yeah, look I Do I think we'll work fourteen hours together again maybe not but you know I I've gotten through tougher breakups and reconciled in my past, and so I think we are we're in good shape and honestly know we are meeting were talking from time to time Yeah. We both have things to do and places to be so we're. Not, hanging out all the time. But it's now also five years ago So We are we're merch focused on making our join the baby successful. When you think about your journey and All Its happen to you how much do you think this has to do with? with luck and how much do you think it has to do with with the hard work you put in your your skills. Well I'm going look I I believe that there's really three ingredients to success. In order importance there are lock the talent, then hard work and. The only one. That's comedian. You control his how hard you work right and Now working hard to gives you more shots on goal It helps his day on the top of what you your talent allows and absolutely restarted at the right time the right place. So What what I'm proud of an all that journey has only that yet when we were wrong and when be had to revise and. When we needed the grit to actually make it work. I L we lived up to that and and that's really The all that anyone can ask themselves to. Oliver Karaz co-founder of Zach Braff by the way, remember how they originally wanted to call it physicians dot com or doctors dot. com. COULDN'T AFFORD THE MILLION DOLLAR PRICE TAG to buy the domain name. DOC DOT COM wasn't only available the price they paid for that domain name. Six Bucks. and. Thanks so much for listening to this show this week, you can subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. You could also write to us at H. I. T. at NPR DOT Org. If you want to send a tweet, it's at how I felt this or at Cairo's can also follow me on instagram that's at Guy Dot Roz. Our show was produced this week by Jet Anderson with music composed by Tina. Bluey. Thanks also to Julia Carney Candice Limb Neva grant and Jeff Rodgers I'm guy. Roz even listening to how I built this. This is NPR. Black voters play a crucial role for any Democrat who seeks to win the White House but some big devise amongst that block and some serious influence

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Washington, D.C. - House Approves Bill To Create Smithsonian Museum For American Latinos

Weekend Edition Sunday

03:21 min | 4 months ago

Washington, D.C. - House Approves Bill To Create Smithsonian Museum For American Latinos

"A Smithsonian National Museum of the American Latino is one step closer to becoming a reality. The House approved a bill last week with bipartisan support in favor of it. And while the road to the museum opening is still long, the bill is sparking celebration and conversation within Latino communities. Here's NPR's Isabella Gomez. Salsa singer Celia Cruz. The traditions of the Dialogues, Martos Holiday alone is worth and the farm workers movement. The Smithsonian Museum of the American Latino can potentially explore Ah lot of the contributions of latte next people in the United States, but there are still logistics to work out. The bill now goes to the Senate. Then it gets signed by the White House, then the government to determine how much the museum will cost and where it will be. The location is going to be the biggest concern for me. That's a story the Rodriguez who's been lobbying for the creation of this museum for the past 15 years. And he knows where in Washington he wants it to be. You cannot Not be on the national Mall. There's also the cost, half of which will likely come from the federal government. The rest will be from donors. We all remember stories of how really stepped up for the American resume. We need to make sure that we have our donors like an overwintering. Bodegas estimates that building the museum from Scratch could take another 10 years, which gives lots of time to air some skepticism. Can one museum really encapsulate so many different cultures and experiences? Will it expand on what? Letting me that or let next identity looks like for Afro Latinos and indigenous people? My immediate reaction is I'm nervous simply because The branding of Latino lad, especially by stands. Broadcasting doesn't reflect the fact that Afro Latinos exists. That's got the knack Liston from Boston who studies the history of music in Latin ex culture. She says she thinks the museum is a good opportunity to finally have some tough conversations on race. Gender immigration. I think this is Ah, very exciting Start. If I'm gonna be honest, I do think that there's definitely a way for us to get it right. It just requires a level of honestly, I think some people are now becoming aware of that we didn't have before. And she's not the only one with some pause. Bala Santos is a museum educator in Chicago. She says she doesn't want the Smithsonian to brush over the struggles. Immigrants face when they come here. With an overly optimistic message. I would love to have Ah latte next museum where you could say they're actually structural inequities here. And it isn't about cease up. Whether it's about how are we setting up our society's? That's why museum champion is toward the Rodriguez says. Now is the time for people to raise their voices and explore those tensions. These are all historical moments they need to be laid out. It's not a story that's going to be very clean and print. That's not what we're trying to do, and it's not on the shoulders of one single Smithsonian Institution to tell that story. Well, a Santos says Now is the time for all museums across the US to reevaluate how they convey Latin ex

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Is This The NFL's #MeToo Moment?

The Lead

05:36 min | 4 months ago

Is This The NFL's #MeToo Moment?

"Can you give us a sense of the build up to the publication of this report? So there's been a lot of drama swirling around the Washington football team, but suddenly started to get all of these dots that you could start connecting. There's a lot going on within the front office. That really doesn't add up firings in retirement in July in the NFL. Rarely happening tonight. We're! And we're too high level personnel executives who were abruptly fired and Alex Santos in Richard. Man were fire. No reason was given as to why they were fired. Then today, longtime radio announcer for the Washington football club Larry Michael announcing his retirement, he spent sixteen years with the team, the man who had been there the radio voice, he abruptly retired without any sort of official comment from the team, and he started to hear this buzz rumors flying about a potential bombshell report on Washington's football team and owner Dan Snyder. This is absolutely taken over social media with speculation running rampant then by Thursday afternoon. The Washington Post dropped the story. There fifteen women who went on the record, alleging widespread sexual harassment within the Washington football organization that spanned just about Daniel Snyder entire time that he is owned the team, so these were women who works across the organization in marketing and ticketing and finance in there were also two female reporters, one who formerly covered the team for the Washington Times and Rianne and Walker our colleague from the athletic, who also went on the record to accuse one of the men who had? had been fired of sexual harassment as well. It was the sprawling account as you mentioned fifteen women accusing sexual harassment in Washington. Can you summarize some of those accusations? Yes, so it was a lot of the very classic cases of sexual harassment things from making lewd comments about women's bodies about their breasts about their rear ends about the the clothes they were wearing to very overt sexual comments, propositioning requests to go on dates, just a lot of overall inappropriate workplace behavior. Behavior from superiors directed at female employees, and it did not seem to be a secret. Some of these women who went on the record with the Washington, post talked about how the other people who worked in the organization knew about it. They talked about it amongst themselves. There were places in the building where women were advised not to go. Specifically, there was a stairwell that had basically transparent stairs and women were told. Do not go there because there were men who. Who would stand underneath that and look up? Their female colleagues skirts all of these things that are blatantly inappropriate and wrong and workplace environment, but had been persisting for more than a decade, all fifteen of these women went on the record, but one of the few who allowed her name to be published is a woman named Emily applegate. What was her experience like working inside the Washington Organization? It was miserable it really most people know times a comment on my appearin. Screaming at you for something that you, it's not your fault. And then somebody makes a comment to you about what you're wearing and it just snowballs from there. she cried at work regularly, she felt belittled, imagined us being called stupid on a daily basis, and then also almost in the same breath being hit on for your appearance. It's a miserable work experience. Experience to the point where she no longer wanted to work there anymore and no longer even wanted to work in sports, and we should note that Emily applegate's former boss Mitch Gershman who was the team CEO at the time both denied and said he didn't recall conversations referenced by Applegate, telling The Washington Post quote I can't comment on something I can't remember. But Lindsay what actions has the team taken in response to these accusations from emily applegate, and the many other women, well many of the men who were accused in this story, all ready been fired, and we're kind of fired in the process of the Washington Post. Reporting this story, the team can say that has taken measures to address this because some of these accusations date back to the early to mid two thousands, so some of these people no longer actually work with the team and then some of the people. People that had new allegations have immediately been fired or left the team. They've started their own investigation. They hired an attorney Beth Wilkinson. The name might sound familiar over the last several years. Wilkinson took part in notable cases involving Hillary. Clinton Brett Cavenaugh and Michael Flynn and she told us we can confirm that our firm was retained by the team to do an independent review of the team's culture policies and allegations of workplace, misconduct and Daniel. Snyder and his wife sent an internal email to everybody who works organization to. To apologize for the culture, the statement saying in part, the behavior described in yesterday's Washington Post. Article has no place in our franchise or society. The story has strengthened my commitment to setting a new culture and standard for our team, but without specific apologies to any of the employees into these women, and there have also not been any public apologies to the two female reporters who were not team employees. The team has not publicly addressed them as well

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At least 15 women are accusing Washington Redskins staffers of sexual harassment, report says

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00:39 sec | 5 months ago

At least 15 women are accusing Washington Redskins staffers of sexual harassment, report says

"On Thursday, The Washington Post published thorough and. Story on toxic workplace, culture and sexual harassment allegations, The Washington football franchise related the incident stemming as far back as two thousand six. Here's some of the key takeaways from the Washington Post report, fifteen women who worked for the team have alleged sexual harassment and verbal abuse to front office members, Alex Santos and Richard Man along with longtime radio Voice Larry Michael had been accused of harassment. There have been no specific allegations against owner Daniel Snyder. The team has hired a DC attorney to review their culture and the allegations of workplace mixed misconduct

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At least 15 women are accusing Washington Football Organization staffers of sexual harassment, report says

Todd and Don

02:09 min | 5 months ago

At least 15 women are accusing Washington Football Organization staffers of sexual harassment, report says

"Got an update on the Washington Redskins. You know, they're they're They're changing the name. But something is something else is that they've got a bigger problem than just just a name thing. 15 women who previously worked for the Washington NFL organization, they have now alleged sexual harassment of verbal abuse by former scouts and members of the owner, Daniel Snyder's inner circle. This is this is this is this is blowing up the meat to movement bigtime. Now among those accused of misconduct. A former director of pro personnel Alex Santos, the former assistant director for personnel, Richard Man, the third as well as the long time play by play announcer and senior vice president Larry Michael. He's been doing play by play for the team for I don't know, maybe 30 years. He was fired this week and nobody knew it. Nobody knew what was going on. All of these people have been fired. Let go, and it's kind of bit hush hush and under the table. Several other names have been mentioned, including Dennis Screen, He runs the business operations for the team, former chief operating officer Michael Grisham. They're talking about in alleging sex parties involving a lot of athletes, team owners, some coaches from other teams as well. And this is all unfolding. There's there's a lot of other weird stuff involving this. That Is circulating on Reddit and on Twitter this morning. None of it's been confirmed, so I'm not going to go there. But it's a really weird allegations involving the Washington Redskins football team. Crazy man is not only is the name extraordinarily offensive t many people, apparently, but it goes deeper than that. Yeah. Allegations of a sexual harassment, toxic workplace and culture. Which span from 2006 to 2019 where raised by 15 women, all but one whom spoke to the Washington Post under conditions of anonymity. They didn't want to mention their name. So take that with a grain of salt. No. Yeah, right world is going crazy. Yeah, get just get rid of don't even not not even the name just get through the whole team. Just the whole team, not only in and it's Yeah, they're kind of crumbling around just cancelled the

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"k santos" Discussed on Experts on Expert with Dax Shepard

Experts on Expert with Dax Shepard

03:30 min | 7 months ago

"k santos" Discussed on Experts on Expert with Dax Shepard

"I mean I spent a lot because I'm buying my computer so much but I get up to get snacks. Yeah I changed location a good bit ruin your changing locations sprint there. Yeah that'll break up your triglycerides sprint into the kitchen. To get your goldfish. Okay make the sprint last. Four seconds maybe sprint in your living room gonNA circle end into your kitchen. Four seconds yeah in particular multiple hours of sitting can contribute to a rise in the bloodstream. Fatty acids known as triglycerides probably in part because muscles at rest produced less than contracting muscles. Do of a substance that breaks up triglycerides and they do this whole experiment with this basically the stationary bike that they invent and they have these athletes common. Do these quick exercises and it helps but they they're still working on this and the bike is not like right so it's just saying probably good to burst around a bit do some bursting and disembark okay. So you talked about you. Guys both being Magna cum laude I get my mouth shut. I thought maybe you were gonNA bring it up. The lead didn't and then I didn't want to Brag but I'll brag now that I'm Suma Right. That is nice. That's Nice Allier Suma at Georgia like probably Kumla. Ucla now now. You asked if Stanford's pass fail and I mean it's not it might be right now during corona but it is not generally but I did read this article in The New York Times about these past fails and a lot of students as she was saying. This are particularly concerned because they're trying to raise their grade point averages in their final year or two of college qualify for law medical or business school so I do when she was saying and I was like that is crazy but I do kind of get it if it matters in like their next step. That sucks yeah. I guess it affects nextstep but when I heard that Stanford was pass fail. Maybe I just read something that it was being proposed. The argument was the people that got the Stanford are already a students They've proven yeah right. So what is the point? They made it now. They can just learn which I think is cool but I agree. It poses this issue about when they want to go elsewhere. Yes no I mean I think if you enter college and it's pass fail and you leave and it's pass fail that's fine. That's like a standard but right now it's like if you have one year left and you have a grade point average just just about right now. Grades aren't lifting it at all trying to bring your grade point average up you. Can't that stinks. I hope everyone passes in conclusion in summary. We hope everyone passes. That's all for Laurie. That's it yeah okay. We loved her. Yes she was great and again. I was really fascinated with how many of her five things were principles of a shared that in my meeting and then someone then went and watched her shit. Oh yes it's all the up. Yeah I love you time for NAP..

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"k santos" Discussed on Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard

Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard

10:38 min | 7 months ago

"k santos" Discussed on Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard

"Fun and then what other Laurie do. I Know Laurie. Short for Lauren Lawrence Loren Loren. Oh thank but you know. Laurie Bell Laureus Short from which I love. Because of all Martingale Laura. Lie Tongue's strong feelings about Laurie but but I have very strong feelings about. Ezra an Justin Justin the other name. I have such profound feel about it. Well so the the coolest kid in my school was just into sure shoora and he had moved from California to elementary school. So He's from Kelley any. He was the first to have the Lee Pinstripe Denim jeans which became really popular like the next year. And I yes and I clocked. This motherfucker was one year ahead And then my cousin Justin. Lebow was like the coolest guy ever knew was sponsored as a BMX freestyler. He was sponsored as a snowboarder and he was in a band I loved. He was just the coolest and his name was Justin. And then a few don't Justin's and they're all cool. I guess many justice like Justin. Willman the magician. He's very cool. Nita's magic for humans legit for humans. Yeah he is a slick do he's there. Yeah it's a strong name is to e next to make a p baby if it's a boy we could name Justin. It's an interesting thought because I would be more inclined to name the baby like Ezra 'cause I think maybe the P. Baby will be capable of like genius yes highly intellectual pursuits but doesn't have the physical shape perform any kind of athletics or dancing or any of the things that would make you. Cool your idea of cool is so specific. It's like cool. It's like you can do shit. Really well physically. I think it's cool. To Be Smart. Yeah Yeah but but but just again. The Justice I knew are more like they were chill. They the Babes loved them. They were great at everything. They were like all the guys like them. Maybe our P. babies very likable. Our baby is gelatinous right. Or It's disgusting. It's it's in liquid form. It's not in solid fight. It's not gelatinous show Latin on how. Yeah Oh no one. It's sick like we have no experience with P. Children to know what their symptoms would be like. I guess if it got gelatinous. It's already jaundice looking. Well you could never determine if the kidneys were shot it. That's kind of part of its charm that in spite of looking so unhealthy thrives yeah. It'd be nice therapy baby to have a little brother sister. I could see a p. Baby being one of the X. men I don't know a ton about X. men but one guy's in a wheelchair right and he liked makes all the metal fly around like RPG be very powerful in a superhero world could even be the leader of the whole gang just sits in a toilet bowl come it they come to a toilet bowl that lives in a fancy toilet bowl probably like a crystal clear toilet bowl so that they can see him without having to lean over the toilet bowl to communicate with them renovate my house to make sure to make all the toilets translucent story Yeah Hey Laurie she talks about this psychologist Liz done. Who's doing all this research says if he for someone to spend money on other people are happier than when they spend money on themselves which was really interesting and so. I looked up. She is Ted. Talk is really worth listening to and yet says that but it also like they did this experiment with kids like starts even when you're too they bring these two year olds in and there's like a bowl of goldfish. They give them. The goldfish are very happy. Of course sure cute and then they have the stuffed monkey and they say like Oh. There's no none left for the Monkey. Can the monkey have one and they all like say sure and then give him one and then like mapped their response to after they received the goldfish and after they give the goldfish away and the kids are happier after they've given it away? Oh Jr is interesting. Yeah but okay. So this tedtalk was she'd already put out the research saying that and Tedtalk was basically like I put up this research and then I was like but this doesn't apply to me like I don't really give to charity and I don't really want and she's like maybe there's something wrong with my research of she went back in and basically the new conclusion is the benefits by when the people feel that they have a sense of connection to those that they're helping me and they can easily envision the difference that they're making So they did this experiment where they asked people to donate to either unison or this organization called spread the net and they picked those because they have the exact same goal. Okay but because UNICEF like this big well known charity and people don't really know exactly where things are going and spread the net like a very specific motivation which is for every ten dollars provide one bed net to a child with malaria for money. People's gave the spread the net the happier. They fell after but with UNICEF F. The emotional return on investment was flattened. So matters if you feel like you're connected personally it's also the kind of the Paul Bloom empathy thing it's like you feel one kid one net. I'm like in late to that. Yeah once you get into unison. So it's like a billion people just gets diluted you're feeling of impact. Yeah but even if you donate one thousand dollars you then no like. Oh I did this. You can like really connect you go. I got two hundred kids bednets so anyway. I thought that was interesting news. Okay so you said. The article in New York Times said five. Second bursts of exertion help break up lists rides Yeah four seconds of high intensity exertion repeated periodically throughout the day might counteract some of the unhealthy metabolic consequences of sitting for hours epidemiological studies indicate that most American adults set for at least ten hours a day. A total that is likely to reduce now that many of us are home. All Day. You in quarantine. I think I'm sitting like fourteen hours a day really. Oh sure I think you are to about are you..

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"k santos" Discussed on Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard

Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard

02:26 min | 7 months ago

"k santos" Discussed on Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard

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02:50 min | 7 months ago

"k santos" Discussed on Experts on Expert with Dax Shepard

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"k santos" Discussed on Experts on Expert with Dax Shepard

Experts on Expert with Dax Shepard

06:39 min | 7 months ago

"k santos" Discussed on Experts on Expert with Dax Shepard

"We know we're safe but we get to experience enough of it that we can kind of comprehend it. I don't know an reason. I think people are still fight about that. It's actually a great mystery. My colleague L. Paul Bloom has a whole book on this about how pleasure is kind of weird right. But that's one of the theories it's like sort of practicing what those things feel and that's true for fear that's true for sadness right like why do people watch depressing movies you know. Why DO PEOPLE WATCH? You know terms of endearment something like really Super Super Sad. That's dumb like with that. Feel good right but we like to engage those things like year and sadness even discussed or pain sometimes people who eat the really hot hot chili peppers. So it's almost at the point of really hurting your mouth but not that bad. I'm going to go through so much. I told the story once on here but I have very distinct childhood memory of coming up on a pile of horse poop in the woods and I could not stop staring at it was making me sick and I hated it and yet I just and even walk away and then I had to go back and look again and get to the brink of throwing up and I have no clue why that was happening but it was a good fifteen minute exercise and just grossing myself out. Yeah looking to some bread. It's like like really dig this weird anyway yet. Another feature of the mind but yeah back to the breath I think regulating your breath. Controlling your sympathetic nervous system is a way that we can make. The threat is threatening right now and I use it I can watch myself. Kinda get really anxious of Panics Rolling on twitter and I've just been realizing like this is the time to do just like three D. belly breaths and afterward you just you feel so much better. Yeah okay number. Two was do acts of kindness and of course for in a that is like be of service. You have to be observers. It's so tell us the advantages of doing acts of kindness. Yeah I mean the advantages are huge and I think our culture just really doesn't realize this is another spot where I think our intuitions lead US astray. But also our culture like right now. It's all about treat yourself like self care like as soon as cova kicked in. It was like article after article about bathtubs self-care which is like again. It's not the bathrooms but the point is there's an opportunity cost to do stuff for other people right and so there's all these data suggesting happy. People do nice stuff for others acquainted for income or happy person. You tend to give more to charity. You tend to volunteer more. And there's some lovely work by folks like Liz done and others that show that if you force people to spend their money on other people they end up happier than if you force them to spend their money to do something to treat themselves. Yeah well okay. So an air explanation of that is my real. Problem is thinking about myself and all my needs and then craving but when I'm helping you it's nearly impossible to be thinking about my own desires and wants and so I'm just stepping out of that craving it forces me to stop thinking about myself and I find great relief in not thinking about myself. No totally think as we get inward focused. You know again this is what the Buddhists getting back to injure. Traditions realized about desire. Soon as you satisfy your GonNa come back right and so that the craving is just going to be a vicious cycle that you can never get over but the hit that you get from helping somebody. You can kind of do that again like you get the sort of warm glow as scientists. Call it from kind of helping other people. This is the sort of happiness that we get from doing. Nice things for others. It just kind of feels good so both gets you out of your head but it's also the you get kind of a double reward hit because like it feels good to help another person and then the research suggests it also helps your social connection right because often the people were helping. Our social relationship is going to give back to us. You know that service that you're doing in AA which is often with other addicts. Those people could help you when you're in a tough time so you're developing these meaningful important social relationships which is exactly. Yeah we we had this discussion the other day about being charitable and whether that's just ego or not and I was arguing no and you were saying everything stems from a selfish perspective of an an ran point of view that you can't do anything on planet earth that's not selfishly motivated now. You could have different selfish. Motivations that have outcomes that are beneficial to all but there's no way you can pretend that is this organism on planet earth. You're not I starting with your own desire. I guess yes like that is borne out by an evolutionary perspective. Natural selection would hopefully not believing stuff in that was actively bad for our own reproductive success. Just wouldn't do that right. That might not be the motivation in your head when you're doing it and so as onto polished you probably remember these. Biologists distinguish between what they call ultimate level. Which is like why is it selfish for your own survival and reproduction versus what's the proximate level. Which is like what does it feel like to you right now and your head right and so if you think about why you might want to have sex with somebody at the ultimate level that is always about getting your genes your next generation. That's why the instincts there but at the proximate level. You're not thinking about babies like you're probably thinking about like movies early didn't even they didn't even know that made a baby for years or when or why or yeah and so. My guess is like doing nice things for others. When people have this motivation works the same way right like selfishly natural selections like Oh help other people because reciprocity and you'll get all these goods leader and this is so great whereas the proximate level where like we just feel better if we do stuff for other people or we just really are motivated to do nice stuff rather people so sometimes it can be both and like. That's good yes. There's diminished returns when we satisfy ourselves so I can buy the perfect house and then I can buy the perfect couch and I can make the perfect meal and I can have the perfect wind and a certain point. I'm just going to Max out on things I can do for myself to amp up pleasure. It just keeps falling off whereas every person you help in the gratitude that you experience. That's not a diminished return. It doesn't kind of run out. Yeah and I think this is something that happiness researchers are just starting to figure out which is like so everything we do for ourselves. Has THIS APP teaching the researchers call it? He Donna Adaptation Right. Where it's like you buy yourself a new phone awesome for the first week but then you know over time you just get used to buy a new border bike and the first time you ride. It's great but then time number eighty seven. You ride it. You're just bored with it. But what's weird? Is that acts of kindness that we do to other people. Don't have that feature. I think is there like individual. There's a moment you do act of kindness and then you do another one it like you. Just don't get the adaptation to doing more of them. Each one is as good a hit. And so you you kinda end up helping yourself by investing and doing nice stuff for others because you just. It's not a subject to this attestation. Over time.

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"k santos" Discussed on Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard

Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard

06:39 min | 7 months ago

"k santos" Discussed on Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard

"We know we're safe but we get to experience enough of it that we can kind of comprehend it. I don't know an reason. I think people are still fight about that. It's actually a great mystery. My colleague L. Paul Bloom has a whole book on this about how pleasure is kind of weird right. But that's one of the theories it's like sort of practicing what those things feel and that's true for fear that's true for sadness right like why do people watch depressing movies you know. Why DO PEOPLE WATCH? You know terms of endearment something like really Super Super Sad. That's dumb like with that. Feel good right but we like to engage those things like year and sadness even discussed or pain sometimes people who eat the really hot hot chili peppers. So it's almost at the point of really hurting your mouth but not that bad. I'm going to go through so much. I told the story once on here but I have very distinct childhood memory of coming up on a pile of horse poop in the woods and I could not stop staring at it was making me sick and I hated it and yet I just and even walk away and then I had to go back and look again and get to the brink of throwing up and I have no clue why that was happening but it was a good fifteen minute exercise and just grossing myself out. Yeah looking to some bread. It's like like really dig this weird anyway yet. Another feature of the mind but yeah back to the breath I think regulating your breath. Controlling your sympathetic nervous system is a way that we can make. The threat is threatening right now and I use it I can watch myself. Kinda get really anxious of Panics Rolling on twitter and I've just been realizing like okay. This is the time to do. Just like three D. belly breaths and afterward you just you feel so much better. Yeah okay number. Two was do acts of kindness and of course for in a that is like be of service. You have to be observers. It's ten so. Tell us the advantages of doing acts of kindness. Yeah I mean the advantages are huge and I think our culture just really doesn't realize this is another spot where I think our intuitions lead US astray. But also our culture like right now. It's all about treat yourself like self care like as soon as cova kicked in. It was like article after article about bathtubs self-care which is like again. It's not the bathrooms but the point is there's an opportunity cost to do stuff for other people right and so there's all these data suggesting happy. People do nice stuff for others acquainted for income or happy person. You tend to give more to charity. You tend to volunteer more. And there's some lovely work by folks like Liz done and others that show that if you force people to spend their money on other people they end up happier than if you force them to spend their money to do something to treat themselves. Yeah well okay. So an air explanation of that is my real. Problem is thinking about myself and all my needs and then craving but when I'm helping you it's nearly impossible to be thinking about my own desires and wants and so I'm just stepping out of that craving it forces me to stop thinking about myself and I find great relief in not thinking about myself. No totally think as we get inward focused. You know again this is what the Buddhists getting back to injure. Traditions realized about desire. Soon as you satisfy it's just gonNA come back right and so that the craving is just going to be a vicious cycle that you can never get over but the hit that you get from helping somebody. You can kind of do that again like you get the sort of warm glow as scientists call it from kind of helping other people. This is the sort of happiness that we get from doing. Nice things for others. It just kind of feels good so both gets you out of your head but it's also the you get kind of a double reward hit because like it feels good to help another person and then the research suggests it also helps your social connection right because often the people were helping. Our social relationship is going to give back to us. You know that service that you're doing in a which is often with other addicts. Those people could help you when you're in a tough time. So you're developing these meaningful important social relationships which is exactly. Yeah we we had this discussion the other day about being charitable and whether that's just ego or not and I was arguing no and you were saying everything stems from a selfish perspective of an an ran point of view that you can't do anything on planet earth that's not selfishly motivated now. You could have different selfish. Motivations that have outcomes that are beneficial to all. But there's no way you can pretend that this organism on planet earth. You're not I starting with your own desire. I guess yes like that is borne out by an evolutionary perspective. Natural selection would hopefully not believing stuff in that was actively bad for our own reproductive success. Just wouldn't do that right. That might not be the motivation in your head when you're doing it and so as polished you probably remember these. Biologists distinguish between what they call ultimate level. Which is like why is it selfish for your own survival and reproduction versus what's the proximate level. Which is like what does it feel like to you right now and your head right and so if you think about why you might want to have sex with somebody at the ultimate level that is always about getting your genes your next generation. That's why the instincts there but at the proximate level. You're not thinking about babies like you're probably thinking about like movies early didn't even they didn't even know that made a baby for years or when or why or yeah and so. My guess is like doing nice things for others. When people have this motivation works the same way right like selfishly natural selections like Oh help other people because reciprocity and you'll get all these goods leader and this is so great whereas the proximate level where like we just feel better if we do stuff for other people or we just really are motivated to do nice stuff rather people so sometimes it can be both and like. That's good yes. There's diminished returns when we satisfy ourselves so I can buy the perfect house and then I can buy the perfect couch and I can make the perfect meal and I can have the perfect wind and a certain point. I'm just going to Max out on things I can do for myself to amp up pleasure. It just keeps falling off whereas every person you help in the gratitude that you experience. That's not a diminished return. It doesn't kind of run out. Yeah and I think this is something that happiness researchers are just starting to figure out which is like so everything we do for ourselves. Has THIS APP teaching the researchers call it? He Donna Gadap teach-in right where it's like you buy yourself a new phone awesome for the first week but then you know over time you just get used to buy a new border bike and the first time you ride. It's great but then time number eighty seven. You ride it. You're just bored with it. But what's weird? Is that acts of kindness that we do to other people. Don't have that feature. I think is there like individual. There's a moment you do act of kindness and then you do another one it like you. Just don't get the adaptation to doing more of them. Each one is as good a hit. And so you you kinda end up helping yourself by investing and doing nice stuff for others because you just subject to this attestation over time.

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"k santos" Discussed on Experts on Expert with Dax Shepard

Experts on Expert with Dax Shepard

12:13 min | 7 months ago

"k santos" Discussed on Experts on Expert with Dax Shepard

"I'm going to figure this out. And then what the discipline taught me is like? No what's built in is just all these biopsies. All these stupid strategies intuitions. That are just completely wrong and leading you astray the time. Thanks a lot natural selection. Like what did we you know? Wait around for this. This sucks. Yeah for me the tastiest thing I can learn and it's why I love Malcolm glad well it's almost entire. Work is in pursuit of debunking. A very commonly held intuition and that is a deeply fun thing about psychology but also a deeply frustrating thing about psychology. Because we get that. Our intuitions are wrong. But we actually don't have fantastic solutions for fixing those intuitions like the mere act actor realizing like hey. My intuition was wrong before it doesn't immediately update it which means you can be like an expert psychology and have like the years of training that. I do and still suck at life and still have really bad tuition. Still get wrong all the time. Do you think that humans? Actually I don't know if this is true but I think it is that humans have the highest emotional capacity than other animals. So we get blinded by those in a way that others don't yeah. I think we're part of the problem is like we're carrying around these sort of like old school emotions tendencies. Yeah some people call it our lizard brain but I don't know if that term's fantastic but basically like we were carrying around this old school architecture. Inner minds at the same time as we have these really smart frontal lobes that can and do all this stuff but the interaction between those just doesn't work. There's also all these ways that our brains are shaped. Just make no sense whatsoever. Now that I'm doing work in the happiness space one of the ones. I've been super interested in lease saintly as it turns out that the circuits that govern wanting in the brain. Like how much what you crave and what you go after are just completely different than the circuits that govern liking like we are actually going so. I know from your history doctor. You probably know this. You see this a lot in the context of addiction like you're craving in the wanting systems like go get this job or go get this thing then you get it and you're like I'm super habituated to this didn't even work right and system doesn't update. I mean it's just like not working in the way that we think and then the flip side is true right like there's all these things that feel really nice when I do them for me. It's like meditation or like a really hard exercise. But I don't have a craving like I do for you know like a sugary snack or like a drug user would have for how and I just have to like force myself to be like no no. No it's GonNa feel good like just force yourself to do it but then I like it and I'm like systems. Why can't you just frigging talk to each other? Everything would be so much easier. Yeah in is that. Because the chemistry that the frontal lobes and you have to imagine that the frontal lobes kind of in charge of the pleasure behind meditating or things that are you know are productive and positive for your future in a sense that though the chemical actually isn't as strong is that rewards center one that is like Faulk e. kill all those things. There's just no comparison in the strength of those right. Yeah part of it is that. There's just certain things that wig out the dopamine system. That's that reward. System like heroin was basically kind of almost like synthetic dopamine ways like drugs mimic these chemicals. Really well so part of it's that the chemicals are different for the good stuff that we really like part of. It's just like the systems are different so the liking system is registering information but it's not updating in the wanting system and that just means there's this disconnect there's actually cool kind of techniques you can use to try to get its update better. One actually is mindfulness and taking time to pay attention. You know if you are really mindful about what you like you know after eating your like. That feels really good. I feel really calm now. You can kind of get your wanting system to notice a little bit because it's like. Oh wait there was a reward. They're like Spitzer little dopamine like I should update things yet in my experience. Because I'm a very big proponent of exercise that actually mentally have to link the negative thing that's very very powerful for me so it's like I know what I feel like in the absence of exercise that has to be motivator versus the marginal uplifting mood after I exercise. Yeah I think both of those are super Yeah for me for me. It's the noticing the good parts afterwards which I tend not to do I. This wonderful yoga teacher wants to at the end of a practice would take a moment. When you're Shiva's it'd be like notice how you feel right now like really notice how you feel and if it's different from how you felt when you start in whatever and again my liking systems like wait a minute does feels nice like John this again. You know we should get together again. I totally agree with you. I've had that that that sensation post yoga where I'm like while. This is the sedative I always dreamt of when doing drug yeah. It's one of the many tools we don't employ when we're feeling bad. I mean there's evidence. Now that like a half hour of really strong cardio can be as effective as a prescription zoloft which is one of the leading anti depression medications. But you know psychiatrists don't prescribe exercise if people they prescribed pharmaceuticals so we forget that there are other things that can give us those hits especially if we're paying attention to the benefit in the end you're think the NHS right in England. They years ago stopped. Prescribing inhibitors for people with mild depression and instead prescribed access to a gym. Or some kind of you know trainer related. Exercise did yield on the long term. Better results which is fascinating is tricky. Because I almost feel like the liking system is attracted to things that take time that are slow processes and the wanting system is like a quick. Fix Yeah totally. If you can get a you know a heroin level banged your dopamine system. The wanting system notices that and it really likes it right but yeah the slow burns. You know. It doesn't as much but but again it's it's so frustrating when you think evolutionary because like I don't know if every quick hit evolutionary was like the thing that we really wanted like natural selection could have built in some slow Burns that had them you know but somehow it never did you get the in biology and psychology and then you get your masters in Psychology. Then you get a PhD psychology all from Harvard. Monica Harvard Harvard Harvard Harvard. We'd love and you have the distinction. We interviewed tall. Ben Shahar and I do think it's interesting writer. The Gates that he teaches the most popular class at Harvard. Which is unhappiness and you teach the most popular class in the history of yell which is also unhappiness. Yep So what I glean from that as we all we want won't be happy right. I mean I think that's exactly the right intuition also. Funniest the tall did this about a decade. Before I did you know. His glass was huge. Famous are heard and then he went off and became a popularizer and did other things and then many years later I did the same thing yell and get all this press for and what was funny was in every article I interviewed for like this is like my their other schools. That did this before me. But Eh somehow never makes it into the media but yeah I think people really want to figure out what they can do to be happy you know and I think in this day and age people really want evidence based strategies for what they can do to be happy. You know these days. I think students are as much drawn to the humanities or great literature to explore this question of how live a good life. I think they're like what does the science say about living a good life you know give. GimMe the neuroscience of the good life and I think that's part of what drew people to my in toss class which I think is a fall. I think my read is a lot of the stuff in science. Right now is just validating. What great literature and Philosophy told us before and good religions and things like that but you know bracketed. I think the way students want is they. Don't just want to hear what somebody did. They're like show me the graph that this makes my anxiety better and then I'm going to do it so to that exact point. I watched you on the news. Recently in reference to Covid you'd given five tips on how to feel good in quarantine and got say four of the five or like tenants of AA and like. Isn't this interesting that like some of these things are known but they do eventually take data to be recognize Israel. So you're I was deep belly. Breathing right yeah. This is important to explain because I think people can sometimes get pissed off when I give this tip because everyone's had the experience of like getting really mad at somebody's like just take a deep breath and like nephew But but scientifically. We know that this is one of the few ways. We can hack our automatic nervous system so quick biology lesson even though I didn't really take the right biology classes. But I got enough to do this. This podcast the sympathetic nervous system is your fight or flight system like it. Evolutionary is built. So that when there's like a lion about to jump out and attack you you can either freeze or flee like it's ready to like tighten. Your muscles gave heart beating fast and to do that. Has the shutdown all the other normal systems like your digestive system shuts down your immune function shutdown. Your Sexual Systems Shutdown. Just like runaway. Right we are now in the context. Cove it into the context of lots of life stressors just like activating that fight or flight system constantly right. It was never made to be on repeat like a youtube video that keeps going. It was meant to play the one two minute spot and then shut off. But we don't do that and in the context Cova. I think it's really hard to shut off because this crisis isn't going away. The one way our bodies have to hack you other than actually shutting off the threat which is impossible is to to regulate our breath such that our bodies think the threat is gone. You know you're sprinting. From a lion you cannot take deep breaths right. You're just like chess breathing. You're running a marathon right but if you just like really slowly take a deep belly breath then your mind is like hang on. There can't be alive. We're not running away anymore. There's a lion activate the vagus nerve once you do that you kick in the opposite system. Which is the Paris empathetic nervous system? That's what's like the rest and digest turns back on your immune function turns on your Gestion and all that stuff but the key is the way you you kind of. Turn it into high gear. The way you turn on the rest digest is actually through your breath that would happen. Naturally if the lion ran away and things went back to normal and it was chill. You'd be taking deep breaths but you can kind of force it and SORTA HACK THE SYSTEM. So the statement that like usually pisses people off. Just take a deep breath. I'm like no no no this wonderful neuroscience like hacking your nervous system totally works your breath and your heart rate in your brain are all connected up and you know there. There are a few ways to hack the system. Because you don't want to have full control over your autonomic nervous system because like you might not turn it on when it needs to go on but this is one way we can do it in a nice way and it has these corresponding effects on our her on what we're thinking about on what we're able to think about lots of evidence that those kinds of Brett's can reduce anxious thoughts right because again you might not just like threat- threat- threat- threat- where's the lion. It can like you know back and focus on the stuff we wanNA focus on. I'm just now realizing as you explain it. I think that's part of the major appeal to me for motor sports. You're exercising this exact same thing so every single turn a challenge in every single turn has the stakes of death. Potentially I suppose so it forces you to be in control of that panic so that you're doing your best thinking you're staying calm wallet inches lap after lap of almost mastering that of pushing that feeling aside and keeping yourself aware in calm making good decisions and there's something very rewarding about that a lot of people kind of get a high from it but also self report being like almost zen afterwards right and ability to like shift back and forth can be really powerful because we definitely do things that put us in. Lake death situations. This is another stupid weird thing about human nature is that we love sticking ourselves into awful negative emotion situations like. I'm a huge huge fan of Halloween and I love watching these haunted houses that show the lakes snap videos of people freaking out when they're getting scared. If you showed those pictures to sue an anthropologist who studied fear they'd be like these people are miserable but these people pay like sixty bucks in some cases to have someone do that to them. Why that on here? A lot like what is happening there. I think when we have fear of things we want to get as close as we can to the thing. We're afraid of but in a safe way so that we can process it like work through it so I think that's why we enjoy murder mystery shows because it's like it's are alternate fear but we're consuming it in a safe environment..

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"k santos" Discussed on Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard

Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard

12:15 min | 7 months ago

"k santos" Discussed on Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard

"And then I think I was drawn to the discipline to be like I'm going to figure this out. And then what the discipline taught me is like no what's built in is just all these biopsies. All these stupid strategies intuitions. That are just completely wrong and leading you astray the time. Thanks a lot. Natural selection like what did we you know. Wait around for this. This sucks. Yeah for me. The tastiest thing. I can learn and it's why I love Malcolm Gladwin. Almost entire work is in pursuit of debunking. A very commonly held intuition and that is a deeply fun thing about psychology but also a deeply frustrating thing about psychology. Because we get that. Our intuitions are wrong. But we actually don't have fantastic solutions for fixing those intuitions like the mere actor realizing like. Hey my intuition was wrong before. It doesn't immediately update it. Which means you can be like an expert psychology and have like the years of training that I do and still suck at life and still have really bad tuition. Still get wrong all the time. Do you think that humans actually? I don't know if this is true but I think it is that humans have the highest emotional capacity than other animals. So we get blinded by those in a way that others don't yeah. I think we're part of the problem is like we're carrying around these sort of like old school emotions tendencies. Yeah some people call it our lizard brain but I don't know if that term's fantastic but basically like we were carrying around this old school architecture. Inner minds at the same time as we have these really smart frontal lobes that can and do all this stuff but the interaction between those just doesn't work. There's also all these just ways that our brains are shaped. Just make no sense whatsoever. Now that I'm doing work in the happiness space one of the ones I've been super interested in lease saintly as it turns out that the circuits that govern wanting in the brain. Like how much what you crave and what you go after are just completely different than the circuits that govern liking like we are actually going so. I know like from your history doctor. You probably know this. You see this a lot in the context of addiction like you're craving in the wanting systems like go get this job or go get this thing then you get it and you're like I'm super habituated to this didn't even work right and system doesn't update. I mean it's just like not working in the way that we think and then the flip side is true right like there's all these things that feel really nice when I do them for me. It's like meditation or like a really hard exercise. But I don't have a craving like I do for you know like a sugary snack or like a drug user would have for how and I just have to like force myself to be like no no. No it's GonNa feel good like just force yourself to do it but then I like it and I'm like systems. Why can't you just frigging talk to each other? Everything would be so much easier. Yeah in is that. Because the chemistry that the frontal lobes and I have to imagine that the frontal lobes kind of in charge of the pleasure behind meditating or things that are you know are productive and positive for your future in a sense that though the chemical actually isn't as strong is that rewards center one that is like Faulk e. kill all those things. There's just no comparison in the strength of those right. Yeah part of it is that. There's just certain things that wig out the dopamine system. That's that reward. System like heroin was basically kind of almost like synthetic dopamine ways like drugs mimic these chemicals. Really well so part of it's that the chemicals are different for the good stuff that we really like but part of. It's just like the systems are different so the liking system is registering information but it's not updating in the wanting system and that just means there's this disconnect there's actually cool kind of techniques you can use to try to get its update better. One actually is mindfulness and taking time to pay attention. You know if you are really mindful about what you like. You know after after meditating. You're like that feels really good. I feel really calm now. You can kind of get your wanting system to notice a little bit because it's like. Oh wait there was a reward. They're like Spitzer little dopamine like I should update things yet in my experience. Because I'm a very big proponent of exercise that actually mentally have to link the negative thing that's very very powerful for me so it's like I know what I feel like in the absence of exercise that has to be motivator versus the marginal uplifting mood after I exercise. Yeah I think both of those are super Yeah for me for me. It's the noticing the good parts afterwards which I tend not to do I. This wonderful yoga teacher wants to at the end of a practice would take a moment. When you're Shiva's it'd be like notice how you feel right now like really notice how you feel and if it's different from how you felt when you start in whatever and again my liking systems like wait a minute does feels nice like John this again. You know we should get together again. I totally agree with you. I've had that that that sensation post yoga where I'm like while. This is the sedative I always dreamt of when doing drug yeah. It's one of the many tools we don't employ when we're feeling bad. I mean there's evidence. Now that like a half hour of really strong cardio can be as effective as a prescription zoloft which is one of the leading anti depression medications. But you know psychiatrists don't prescribe exercise if people they prescribed pharmaceuticals so we forget that there are other things that can give us those hits especially if we're paying attention to the benefit in the end you're think the NHS right in England they years ago stopped prescribing. Sri Inhibitors people with mild depression and instead prescribed access to a gym or some kind of you know trainer related exercise did yield on the long term better results which is fascinating is tricky because I almost feel like the liking system is attracted to things that take time that are slow processes and the wanting system is like a quick fix. Yeah totally if you can get a you know. A heroin level banged your dopamine system the wanting system notices that and it really likes it right but yeah the slow burns. It doesn't as much but but again it's it's so frustrating when you think evolutionary because like I don't know if every quick hit evolutionary was like the thing that we really wanted like I don't think natural selection could have built in some slow Burns that had them you know but somehow it never did you get the in biology and Psychology. And then you get your masters in psychology then you get a PhD psychology. All from Harvard. Monica Harvard Harvard Harvard Harvard. We'd love and you have the distinction. We interviewed tall. Ben Shahar and I do think it's interesting writer. The Gates that he teaches the most popular class at Harvard which is on happiness and you teach the most popular class in the history of yell which is also unhappiness so what I glean from that as we all we want won't be happy right. I mean I think that's exactly the right intuition also. Funniest the tall did this about a decade. Before I did you know. His glass was huge and famous are heard and then he went off and became a popularizer and did other things and then many years later I did the same thing yell and get all this press for and what was funny was in every article. I interviewed for like this is like my their other schools. That did this before me. But Eh somehow never makes it into the media but yeah I think people really want to figure out what they can do to be happy you know and I think in this day and age people really want evidence based strategies for what they can do to be happy. You know these days. I think students are as much drawn to the humanities or great literature to explore this question of how live a good life. I think they're like what does the science say about living a good life you know give. GimMe the neuroscience of the good life and I think that's part of what drew people to my toss class which I think is a fall. I think my read is a lot of this stuff. In Science. Right now is just validating. What great literature and Philosophy told us before and good religions and things like that but you know bracketed. I think the way students want is they. Don't just want to hear what somebody did. They're like show me the graph that this makes my anxiety better and then I'm going to do it so to that exact point. I watched you on the news recently in reference to Kobe. You'd given five tips on how to feel good in quarantine and got say four of the five or like tenants of AA and like. Isn't this interesting that like some of these things are known but they do eventually take data to be recognize Israel. So you're I was deep belly. Breathing right yeah. This is important to explain because I think people can sometimes get pissed off when I give this tip because everyone's had the experience of like getting really mad at somebody's like just take a deep breath and like nephew But but scientifically. We know that this is one of the few ways. We can hack our automatic nervous system so quick biology lesson even though I didn't really take the right biology classes. But I got enough to do this. This podcast the sympathetic nervous system is your fight or flight system like it is built so that when there's like a lion about to jump out and attack you you can either freeze or flee like it's ready to like tighten your muscles get your heart beating fast and to do that. Has the shutdown all the other normal systems like your digestive system shuts down your immune function shutdown. Your Sexual Systems Shutdown. Just like runaway. We are now in the context. Cove it into the context of lots of life stressors just like activating that fight or flight system constantly right. It was never made to be on repeat like a youtube video that keeps going. It was meant to play the one two minute spot and then shut off. But we don't do that and in the context Cova. I think it's really hard to shut off because this crisis isn't going away. The one way our bodies have to hack you other than actually shutting off the threat which is impossible is to to regulate our breath such that our bodies think the threat is gone. You know you're sprinting. From a lion you cannot take deep breaths right. You're just like chess breathing. You're like running a marathon right but if you just like really slowly take a deep belly breath then your mind is like hang on. There can't be alive. We're not running away anymore. There's a lion activate the vagus nerve once you do that you kick in the opposite system. Which is the Paris empathetic nervous system? That's what's like the rest and digest turns back on your immune function turns on your Gestion and all that stuff but the key is the way you you kind of. Turn it into high gear. The way you turn on the rest digest is actually through your breath that would happen. Naturally if the lion ran away and things went back to normal and it was chill. You'd be taking deep breaths but you can kind of force it and SORTA HACK THE SYSTEM. So the statement that like usually pisses people off. Just take a deep breath. I'm like no no no this wonderful neuroscience like hacking your nervous system totally works your breath and your heart rate in your brain are all connected up and you know there. There are a few ways to hack the system. Because you don't want to have full control over your autonomic nervous system because like you might not turn it on when it needs to go on but this is one way we can do it in a nice way and it has these corresponding effects on our her on what we're thinking about on what we're able to think about lots of evidence that those kinds of Brett's can reduce anxious thoughts right because again. You might not just threat. Threat- threat- threat- threat- where's the lion? It can like scale back and focus on the stuff we wanNA focus on. I'm just now realizing as you explain it. I think that's part of the major appeal to me for motor sports. You're exercising this exact same thing so every single turn a challenge in every single turn has the stakes of death. Potentially I suppose so it forces you to be in control of that panic so that you're doing your best thinking you're staying calm wallet inches lap after lap of almost mastering that of pushing that feeling aside and keeping yourself aware in calm making good decisions and there's something very rewarding about that a lot of people kind of get a high from it but also self report being like almost zen afterwards right and ability to like shift back and forth can be really powerful because we definitely do things that put us in like death situations. This is another stupid weird thing about human nature is that we love sticking ourselves into awful negative emotion situations like. I'm a huge huge fan of Halloween and I love watching these haunted houses that show the lakes snap videos of people freaking out when they're getting scared. If you showed those pictures to sue an anthropologist who studied fear they'd be like these people are miserable but these people pay like sixty bucks in some cases to have someone do that to them. Why that on here? A lot like what is happening there. I think when we have fear of things we want to get as close as we can to the thing. We're afraid of but in a safe way so that we can process it like work through it so I think that's why we enjoy murder mystery shows because it's like it's our ultimate fear but we're consuming it in a safe environment..

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"k santos" Discussed on Experts on Expert with Dax Shepard

Experts on Expert with Dax Shepard

10:16 min | 7 months ago

"k santos" Discussed on Experts on Expert with Dax Shepard

"And foremost please excuse. Our tardiness. Two minutes was really tell we had a little conversation. We're in Monica's apartment. And she was a looking. I Say I'm always the one that's late so this is not to throw her under the bus but she was doing some things I said. I think we're getting close to what she said anything for minutes or under a fine. What what's your stance on that? Yeah I think. Four minutes are under academic. We always window for classes usually like a six minute window. Oh Can the students leave at my school? The students could like leave after ten minutes. If the professor didn't show up when so messed up his. So My UNDERGRAD INSTITUTION. Had It that you could leave early like that was like you left before the end But then the Yale institution like it was switched and so it was like this weird culture shock of Lake. Some people showing up early and some people leaving early in his lorry. Were so excited to talk to you and you came to us by way of what I think is a God living among us. Which is Malcolm Glad? Well he emailed me and said you really need to get him to Laurie. And let's just take one second to talk about how much we love Malcolm. No Malcolm is fantastic. I think I met Malcolm for the First Time. I was like a new assistant professor. I just started at Yale and he was doing this dinner party with one of my colleagues and the whole time I was just like. Wow this was like right when I think The tipping point had just come out and I was God among men. You know apex glad well as I was learning about you today. Laurie excited. Because you've done a ton of primate work. Yeah I did Collagen anthropology but it was like anthropology side Major. Unofficially you got a BA in both biology and psychology. Al From Harvard. Yeah although it was kind of a little bit of a like a trick though because they just they just started this new joint major and so they hadn't really worked out like which classes you needed to take yet and so I manage to get a biology degree from Harvard by taking the minimum possible amount of biology classes embarrassing now. I try to teach things like genetics. Because I'm like you. You know that stuff. They see Geez de Cuba going exactly. Did you have a lab as part of that? I did some lab stuff but not that I remember super well mostly. I did animal behavior stuff that was like my main thrust in biology which the monkey work. What was the genesis of your working with animals or or studying animals in relation to human psychology? Well it actually came out of a hatred of running human experiments. I started doing work when I was like a freshman working in a lab that studied humans and we studying this thing called implicit memory which is just this phenomenon that the stimuli that in your world they're kind of affecting you without realizing it. You know so if I give you a list of words that are all related to elderly people. You can kind of prime that without you realizing it right but the whole point of this effect is like you're supposed to not know it's happening but it's something we teach. We teach like in the interest class. So I you know a freshman. Loria go in to try to test implicit memory in these. Freshmen who are taking a class about implicit memory and at the end of every study. I'm like did you have any ideas. About what the study was about and everyone was like. Was it an an implicit memory? Study and we're yes. And then we'd have to throw out their data and so moved to go to animals like animals. Don't have hypotheses about what the study is about. They're not messing up my data with their big conscious thinking brain and so that was part one. So let's digress. For a second this is one of the most fascinating aspects of anthro which is like they're studying humans for one hundred years and you just almost can't study human and we're trying to figure out the study you're a part of and you're you're almost probably trying to be a great subject and help the professor or person doing the study. Get the results they want. It's all were conscious of all the things right. Yeah and it's super I mean that and it's like super hard to get it why humans are really like because of all these cultural influences right like if I want to study the human. It's hard to not be studying the American human or the Zimbabwean human or like you know your culture prevents me from knowing what's really in to being a human and so so monkeys book for both of these reasons where a breath of fresh air like they don't have all these cultural influences messing with them and they definitely don't know that they're in your study they don't want to do a good job in your out actively not want to fish. Sure I listen to your podcast. And there's a couple of different areas and I really wanted to explore in. I'm kind of obsessed with status. So many primates are are highly social. Animals were the apex of social animal. Right and so. We have so much hard wiring. An evolution to make us cohesive group. And I think we're largely unaware of it right so I do wonder even your your primate studies like you're capuchins right there. They're very smart. Did they ever interpret your status as being like Alpha do any of the people conducting the experiment become the Alpha? Yeah not so much with my guys. We because status wasn't that much of a thing like the other one alpha male and so on but researchers in chimpanzee labs report this all the time in fact would super interesting as you get cultural differences in these different primate labs so the chimpanzee labs in Japan. The chimps are really clued into who is the high status researcher. So if you come in and you're like Joe Freshman like I was in that experiment the chimps will dominate you. And you can't get them to do anything or whatever but then the Pi principal investigator big head. Honcho comes in and all of a sudden the chimps are like Oh gosh. I'll do everything you want. And so it's like the chimps are somehow of just such a question. There's somehow implicitly. Picking up on the human status is not just like we're all higher status is like well some of the humans might be higher status but like some of them are completely low ranking and I should just abuse in the. Who's you would have to be that we're sharing so much nonverbal communication that they are able to witness how we look the length of time who has the floor of the longest. They're probably just aware of subconsciously as we are aware of it. Yeah I mean. They're not looking at people's academic titles like somehow we're giving oft these cues that we don't even realize which is so fascinating it is it is. I love it okay. So let's go through your history a little bit because I always liked knowing why people gravitated towards the thing they did so you're from Massachusetts. I'm probably saying that wrong. I have a hard time with that word and your dad is from a chain of islands that I would have only known because the Canary Islands or close. He asks them. My Dad's side of the family is from Cape Bird Which is a set of islands off the coast of Africa? Very few people in the US from Cape Bird but they tend to like cluster in cities that were big like seaports or whaling ports in particular. So like the whaling ships would kind of go around Africa. They would stop and fuel up in these tiny islands off the western coast of Africa called Cape and Cape Verdeans. Were like I'm going to get involved in this. Seems like a great lucrative enterprise and so they wound up kind of in Massachusetts like my my hometown new Bedford is the town of Moby Dick Right. So it's like Oh wailing town you know for today and so so you get these tiny clusters in seaports but but it's sort of an African Portuguese mix I'm like Biracial by nature. But even more biracial because you know one of one of my sides already biracial by nature of the way. Those islands work and mom was a guidance counselor in school. You actually attended a Massachusetts. Yeah that's right so she she always really loved education and kind of wanted me and my my brother to like go off and get the best education we could. She kind of instilled that in us from a really early age. Were you delivered and I check off a passion of hers but it wasn't necessarily something everybody in my town did like. I don't know anybody else for my town who like went to Harvard or like my Taibbi League schools and things so it was kind of it was kind of a strange thing to do to double down. It was a working class town. I assume yeah because I mean it was back. In the movie. Dicta as it was the richest town in in the US but wailings not like a super huge industry anymore. There wasn't new industry that kind of came in I never see the whalers on the Forbes one hundred I know yeah so so yes so. It wasn't in a town where a lot of people went off to these schools but But it was awesome. I mean we completely changed my life. It it's nowadays when I advise high school students. Your I'm like education is the way to completely transform what your opportunities look like definitely worked for me but wh why were you drawn to psychology because I have a really offensive theory on most psychology majors which is generally they were from a pretty fucked up home and they kind of wanted some answers or they themselves drift in a little confused ups? There's no need some answers. What was your. Maybe that's because I never wanted to do clinical psychology like. I never wanted to shrink or help people. I was just fascinated by people. I was like one of these nerdy kids. Who like you're the mom was always like go? Go play with your friends. Like stop paying out with adults like I just wanted to kind of be watching people and pay attention the whole time. Are you the oldest? I am the oldest always psychologists even before I was technically an academic psychologist. Yeah and it sounds like your interest is in interest. I share which is like. I'm deeply curious about why people do the things they do. More than any other thing like most specifically why I do the things I do because so often. I think I know why and then upon closer inspection. I don't know why I do it or I have to learn because there's all these biological impulses in the mixers there's ego there's culture there is so dense. How much stuff is contributing to our decision making right. Do you think you know why you wanted to know why people work. The way they did. People are just weird like where weird as organisms like. They're no species on the planet. That has kind of like us. You know we should be just one of billions of other species or there should be some species that are. Kinda like us you know. We're just even our closest. Living relatives are smart. But they're not making podcasts or having are around them like communicating like sharing ideas. That are in my head with your head like no other species. Does this really so weird? But at the same time we're also just like not good understanding our own. Psychology self insight is a problem for our species even though are so smart as a that was something that always fascinated with me and then. I think I was drawn to the discipline to be like..

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"k santos" Discussed on Experts on Expert with Dax Shepard

Experts on Expert with Dax Shepard

01:34 min | 7 months ago

"k santos" Discussed on Experts on Expert with Dax Shepard

"Will COME WELCOME. Welcomed armchair expert experts on expert. I'm Dan Sheppard joined by modest mouse. Man How you doing good. It's the Sunny Day in Los Angeles is a little rain yesterday and now the Sun's back today we have Lori Santos who is a cognitive scientist and professor of psychology at Yale University. You know she has the most popular class in Yale's history on happiness and she is also the host of the podcast the happiness lab so everyone should listen to that. She's very fascinating and has such good tips for wellness for feeling happy professor right now especially right now so please enjoy Laurie. Santos we are supported by shady raise. Monica shady raise makes the handsomeness sunglasses. I have a few pair. They're very high quality in there so inexpensive. That's what's crazy is the look is fantastic. Reminiscent of some of my favorite brands there out to do differently. Premium polarized shades at a fraction of the big name brand costs there an independent sunglasses company. Just some big corporation overcharges for shades. Everyone knows sunglasses are way overpriced there insane and break them or lose them and it hurts expense. Glad you're bringing that up because the best part of shady raise is their warranty replacements if shades are lost or broken for any reason. It doesn't matter what happens. Okay now it's already a winner but they're just throwing this..

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"k santos" Discussed on Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard

Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard

01:34 min | 7 months ago

"k santos" Discussed on Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard

"Will COME WELCOME. Welcomed armchair expert experts on expert. I'm Dan Sheppard joined by modest mouse. Man How you doing good. It's the Sunny Day in Los Angeles. Is We a little rain yesterday? And now the sun's back today we have Lori Santos who is a cognitive scientist and professor of psychology at Yale University. You know she has the most popular class in Yale's history on happiness and she is also the host of the podcast the happiness lab so everyone should listen to that. She's very fascinating and has such good tips for wellness for feeling happy professor right now especially right now so please enjoy Laurie. Santos we are supported by shady raise. Monica shady raise makes the handsomeness sunglasses. I have a few pair. They're very high quality in there so inexpensive. That's what's crazy is the look is fantastic. Reminiscent of some of my favorite brands there out to do differently. Premium polarized shades at a fraction of the big name brand costs there an independent sunglasses company. Just some big corporation overcharges for shades. Everyone knows sunglasses are way overpriced there insane and break them or lose them and it hurts expense. Glad you're bringing that up because the best part of shady raise is their warranty replacements if shades are lost or broken for any reason. It doesn't matter what happens. Okay now it's already a winner but they're just throwing this..

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Michael Lewis in Conversation with Malcolm Gladwell and Jacob Weisberg

Dell Technologies Podference

03:00 min | 7 months ago

Michael Lewis in Conversation with Malcolm Gladwell and Jacob Weisberg

"I was asked to moderate a panel with two of my oldest friends. Malcolm gladwin jacob weisberg. We've known each other since the nineteen eighties when we were all young writers in the magazine. Business malcolm jacob for now the co founders of pushkin industries. The company that produces against the rules which is now underway by the way pushkin also makes a bunch of other great shows like malcolm zone revisionist history and the happiness lab with dr lori. Santos i've been watching on the sidelines over the past year as malcolm and jacob started the company so i was really happy to have an excuse to ask them all kinds of nosy questions about what they've learned about running a business together and the challenges they face and the challenges right now in our quarantine world will those are unique. You'll get to hear a little bit about that. Here's our conversation. 'cause i don't actually know the story so i would love to know how you decided to start pushing shake right. It was jacobs a star. Well i'd started one podcast company already. Which was panoply which came out of slate but as things evolve panoply turned into a technology company. I thought i was starting mainly a content company and one of the shows we'd started with revisionist history With malcolm that show was doing really well and there were some other shows. I was really interested in doing so was sort of when the earlier company under Ceo i'd hired. Who i thought was making a good decision. Wanted to make a pivot that i said. Hey maybe it's time that document. I started our own company and only do what we wanna do. I was on holiday with my family in. Can't remember where. I was somewhere in your italy in italy and jacob was in some. I think if i can tell that you truly horrible health live the villain said and he said he said that he he summoned. We do something crucial when you talk about says. I drove halfway across italy. Show up in this horrible house but road and then he likes sat outside a little chairs and had coffee and he said i wanna start a company. That's out began. What did you say yes right away. Yeah struck me as well. The backstory about this is that jacob has been. I've known jacob for thirty five years and through for some significant portion of this. I would always say jacob. I don't know why you wanted a journalist. You'd be a really great businessman. if you just. This is what you could make a huge amount of money. We could all get rich. Jacob forgotten but i would always worry that if i when i said that i was insulting him because what he really wanted to be was a writer which was saying was a bad writer and i thought better business fan

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"k santos" Discussed on Tamarindo

Tamarindo

02:05 min | 7 months ago

"k santos" Discussed on Tamarindo

"Listeners. We have some important information we want to share with you from needles. Us The largest Latino Civil Rights in advocacy organization in the country. We know that even in the best of times making healthy decisions can be tough and the corona virus and economic crisis hitting. Our country isn't GonNa make it any easier at schools nationwide or close to help. Stop the spread corner bias. Millions of children are flocking the digital platforms and are being exposed to environment wear their rights and health are at risk. Because there's a surprising way that your child online activity can hardly hell when food and beverage companies aggressively target them with advertisements for junk food on many sites in platforms by Educational Lifeline? In respect children's rights bargainers rely on big data and digital techniques to blur the lines between content in advertisements in reach children in teens through websites social platforms and mobile devices making tougher. Even the most involved parents protect their kids from these practices. We need those. Us believes that the practice of targeted marketing is a major racial in help issue because companies specifically target Children Youth of Color with marketing foods and drinks. That are low in attrition in high in sugar salt and fats this reinforces health inequities way that the children are more likely to suffer from obesity or are more likely to develop diabetes and heart diseases adults. This is especially harmful to the nations that you know children. They get a double dose of targeted marketing in both English and Spanish. Increasing the number of ADS designed to negatively influence attrition choices this issue a back seat to basic corona virus survival. There is hope that when this crisis is behind US Congress will do the right thing to better protect kids in the digital space until then you can learn more about digital privacy and food marketing and what it means for your kids with some of the resources that will have link in our show notes. We WanNa make you aware to remind you that. Even the most caring and informed parents find the changing digital space. Talk to navigate in but with but it's worth trying for the health of our children you can learn more at you migos..

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"k santos" Discussed on Tamarindo

Tamarindo

04:21 min | 7 months ago

"k santos" Discussed on Tamarindo

"Welcome to another episode of the podcast in the closet brought to you by the krona virus. Shayla welcome back to the closet. We you are probably still on cloud nine from fabulous event that took place yesterday. Although when they're listening to this it'll be a few days after that but can you please tell us about? Luna and Tamarine does recent partnership this story Storytelling Workshop. That happened via zoom to. What are the highlights? Gosh it was so beautiful Brenda so the event was called. Your story is your superpower. And that's what I feel like. We were all kind of coming in touch with you now. It was beautiful. I started off by you know. I'm not an expert in teaching storytelling so my contributions to the grounding exercise and walk the participants through kind of how to set intentions in how to set a soft intention for the event. So kind of you know. Grounded us in in the exercise and yeah it was. We had an amazing turnout in and it was just a testament to people need these kinds of offering and how healing writing can be you know so whether using it or because you want to share your story with the world or you just need it for your own personal growth. You know fantastic spent has exploded a lot of people. I think there was ninety. Plus registrants amazing methods us. Honest here and you know it's it's it's that we that we really wanted to host. Because it's part of our mission is to go to to amplify voices are stories and we want to hear more of yours more of your voices in mortgage story so that was was all about that fantastic. And we have a joint my thoracic today to the Fabulous Team. Luna for basically putting pulling it together. It's amazing joint cow. Okay Joy Mothra Cup for Thanksgiving shoutout to them and they're the they were the storytelling experts that brought in the great content for that partnership. So much fun. Originally this was going to be a live event right that we ended up committing to do it. Virtually so beautiful that we were actually able to provide this workshop for so many more people than we originally because we did it virtually so that was really cool to excellent. Well you know what someone else that has adapted to the Times is actually today's special guest. We have actor Comedian Carlo. Santos who plays Chris? Morale is one of three cousins. That are the central characters in the Netflix. Show head defied personally. I think that character steals every scene. I just really really identified with Chris. Mortensen Listrik the coconut. The Whitewash Mexican. If you will of the series and just the way. He was kind of struggling with his identity. I'm sure that spoke to a lot of our listener. So super cool to have you legged get a chance to interview. Carlos was so so much fun and you know what it was. It was great and I got to preview the the interview and I have to say that it was surprisingly comforting Carlos. Take on how everybody is dealing with the corona virus in their own way and that every single way is fine. Like every way is perfectly acceptable for how we are all coping with. What's going on today superbowl exactly before we dive into that interview? Though a couple things one is we're going to have a PSA for y'all but also. I thought we could maybe quickly also tell folks that we have more of this virtual gatherings happening. We're actually hosting a podcasting workshop. So that's coming up and you can follow basically go to our website that many podcast dot com for everything that we've got going on. And when you go in there you could actually sign up for our newsletter. We are going to preview newsletter very very soon and we want all to not miss out on any of the thumbing the cheese so stay connected and sign up for that anything else. We should highlight for our folks or is that we have a lot. I think that's it we're doing. We're doing what we can for. Y'All yes doing what we can with creativity of using digital tools so that we can keep this thing going. Even though we can't be together in the studio I miss Shayla and Youtube. Soon Zoom. We'll have to do all right. So let's I take a quick break. We'll be right back with our chat with fellow.

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"k santos" Discussed on That's What She Said with Sarah Spain

That's What She Said with Sarah Spain

10:13 min | 1 year ago

"k santos" Discussed on That's What She Said with Sarah Spain

"Available for free on the online course site core surro- and over four hundred and ten thousand people have been ruled already. I mean this thing his taking the world by storm. It's causing go on television shows and you're starting your own podcast which we're GONNA get to and it's it's not that surprising when you think about it if if you teach a class psychology and the good life or the science of wellbeing were you know basically how to be happy. People are going to be drawn to that but I still imagine that. There's a part of view. The couldn't have possibly envisioned that it would blow up like this. No it's still completely surreal. Honestly I mean from just on campus. It felt really surreal. All right you know I designed the class thinking you know probably like fifty students would take it and that would feel like a lot of students on campus when over a thousand students enrolled and I had to teach that class laugh in a concert hall that so you know completely real and Humboldt and I was like wow this is totally crazy but more crazy was when I started getting a lot of outside type press for the class a couple of weeks into the class. There was a New York Times article about the class in in the kind of like exactly what you said which is like you know no one ahead. Y'All students like many college students face this mental health crisis but I think the article is more about you know. I'm one in you. Yell students can have mental health crisis but then they're also kind of really lucky. You know they're young. They're like nineteen like they got into Yale. Most of them are pretty harrowing. You like what about the rest of us like. If eighty two class on happiness you know what what about the poor you know fifty something you know all the rest of us and so how is kind of what launched the next wave of kind of when it became really surreal which is that we had the national national news media and international articles about this class it kind of became the thing that lots of folks were fascinated by like why all these young yell kids needed to class on happiest. Yes kind of figure out how to live a good life and the fascinating thing is of course how you can you can kind of say the same about other parts of life. I had a former lawyer turned yoga studio owner who does presentations for law firms and other big companies on mental health and gratitude and presence in whatever and he felt the same way about his fellow lawyers. Why is there this dearth of of happy successful lawyers. There's some of the most well to do professionals and yet there was this suicide crisis amongst them and you can apply that to so many places right and so much of that of course which you talk about in your class is that we don't still still really understand what makes us happy. We have a lot of misconceptions about what will bring us happiness how to find it and how to keep it and and also your dilemma which is of course you can tell people how to get there and they still won't do the things that will make them happier. you have a new podcast called the happiness lab so I'm not going to give away the entirety of your course or all those things but I do want to get into the things that will maybe push some of those people who are reticent to get involved into better understanding. You know what you're teaching in this class and and how it's not just okay well if you smile more your brain will make you like really small for real right like it's it's. It's pretty in depth in terms of I'm having to rewire ourselves. Yes yeah I think that's right. I mean I think you know the sometimes people see here that there is a class on the size of happiness and they think it's going to be like all who or like like you know positively and like your smile all the time I get letters from people who take the class sometimes and they're you know they come around with the weather usually starts with you know I started this thinking that was gonna be like hippy dippy crap and I you know it's California stuff and in practice like what the science well-being is about is it's like really a rich empirical. TIRICO science and the way it works is to say okay. Let's there's some very at some people out. There are just happier more satisfied with their life than other people. What are they doing right you know what are they doing right. And what can we copy. If you're not feeling satisfied. What can you do to kind of feel a little bit more satisfied and when you look at the science but they can say you get which is kind of striking is that we don't have a great gauge on what we can do to be happy. You know we were just talking about the work with the monkeys jesting that we're really good at getting out of her own head. We can make all these predictions about what life will be like. You know if we do take certain kinds of actions. You know the road not taken like we can make lots of predictions about what are what is going to be like depending on how things go the problem is that a lot of those predictions are off like we have these motivations to seek out certain things and we often. I think that those things will make us happy but in practice they don't work in the way we think and so that's why I think the science is so important. I've Kinda gotten. You know almost evangelical about trying trying to get the science out there to as many audiences as possible from the online class to the podcast. It's the we need some help here. You know our our central motivations the the things that we have that it's telling us how to make decisions. They're not leading us in the right direction. We're kinda going wrong and science can really help us decide like OK. Actually those things don't work in the way you think and you might need to be seeking out other stuff that you didn't realize from your own kind of decision material brain's not telling you the right thing to do and that's why so many of the feeling. We're working really hard. You know we're putting time into our own well-being but it's not the only well we feel like something still missing yeah. It's fascinating that you use the word hippy dippy because I always say that what I'm talking about this kind of stuff because that used to be what it seemed like to me as someone who was a very grazed by lawyers. Everything must be proven questioned everything type. A overachiever like Oh that sounds very flower child Donald but as soon as I learned about the concept of Neuro plasticity insurnace science behind it I completely changed my tune and now I'm like all in on it and now I want everyone around me to be all in all of them to learn all the things and so we're going to get to that part the frustration that you feel when you have people around you and you're like do this thing. I swear it will make it better and they still refuse up but I wanted to you know that actual science that you talk about because it does I think for a lot of people who are reticent to really jump in they need that like like push of like no this is proven and we can show you how and why let's start with the GI Joe Fouls. He can you kind of explain that and how that influences what you were saying about sometimes your brain. He doesn't even know what you need to do. Yeah I think the G. I. Joe Foss. He's one of my favorite cognitive bias us in some ways. It's scary cognitive bias I don't know if you're listening all my age or about that children of the eighties basically but if you remember Gi Joe it was just Kinda g army cartoon no-one Really Remembers. Gi Joe But but many many folks who've enjoyed the cartoon remember how ended which is at ended with this public service announcement or gi. Joe Explains like don't talk to strangers raising you cross the street you you know big things in the US but ended with the child thinking. Gi Joe Thank you Joe. Now I know and then Joe would say this for you and knowing is half the battle and then it would not do you know if you remember the but but this is what we think we think you know knowing is half the battle once. I know like what I should do. I'm just going to do it. You know I can know well how many reps I need to do on day and like that's good. I'll just get really buff like there. I can know how much sugar I should have in my dire much sleep. I should have and I can just do it right but the sad thing is like that's not the case. You can know exactly what you're supposed to do. The TAT doesn't immediately mean you translate it into what you're supposed to be. Actually doing you know like I know. It's really good for me to get up and do a half hour of cardio every morning but you know if I hit the snooze button every day just knowing that is not going to be enough. You have to actually do the stuff and so that's been the kind of this. Gi Joe Fallacy so that's the judge Ovallis you think that knowing is half the battle but it's Kinda not and so we really teach students to not fall prey to the GI Joe fallacies kind of one of the principles of the course and even the podcast which is I'm GonNa teach you all this stuff. That science says you know. It's not well. It's going to be real. Scientific results else you're. GonNa see graphs and all this stuff but then it's up to you to translate that into your own here because if you're just here the study like that sounds good you know brain plasticity. I'd love up to change my brain but you don't do anything like nothing's really GonNa Change and so much of it to stems from these very strongly held ideas about happiness happiness that turned to be misconceptions ideas that we've been taught or have for whatever reason ingrained in ourselves that this will make me happier if I do X. Y. Or if I achieve achieve or can you talk about how the studies and science actually tells us that some of our most widely held beliefs about what makes you happy are wrong. Yeah I mean it's really jarring and this is the spot where you know I keep this stuff and my students will fight me about it right because it's like our intuition strong you know so so one of the one of the best ones is is money right. You know if I could just get more money. I'd be happy or so many of those like plays a lottery in thank you know like the day. I went powerball. You know it's going to be awesome day right but does that really happen. Well you can look to people who have lots of money and ask if they're really happy and what you find is that you know it's it's you're really poor and I give you an infusion of some more or money. You know if you're earning like ten thousand dollars the US right now and I double your salary. That's GonNa feel good. It's GonNa increase your positive mood and it's going to decrease your stress levels but but if you're earning enough money that you kind of have a roof over your head and food on the table researchers kind of define this at around seventy five k. and the US right now. We're just you know pretty so you know decent middle class wage if you're earning that much and I all your salary triple it. You don't get any corresponding increase in your wellbeing which which is definitely not what we think you know. Some of your listeners might be earning around that level and they you know if I could quadruple my salary like things would be better but the data when you really look at people who make those different salaries suggest that that's just not the case you can also see this when you look at it kind of wellbeing levels of people who are lottery winners. You know you're kind of we're getting more anecdotal here here. But what you find is that don't folks just aren't happy. we were able to interview on my podcast. I interviewed this psychotherapist name Klay Cockerel he's the psychotherapist to the insanely rich rich so he has clients who earn more than fifty million dollars..

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"k santos" Discussed on That's What She Said with Sarah Spain

That's What She Said with Sarah Spain

10:06 min | 1 year ago

"k santos" Discussed on That's What She Said with Sarah Spain

"My name is Laurie. Tinto's and my dilemma is how you get people people to do not really want to do like even know what we need to do to be happy. We don't want to do that. So how can we force people to behave better. I mean I feel like you're the expert thread on this right. You literally teach the class on this but seriously I can imagine you've got when you've got a third of the students at Yale in your classes probably going to be some that aren't listening or aren't buying lying in or you've got people in your work or personal life that don't care about all the research you've done all the ways that you can prove that our lives actually get better when we're meditating and connecting with people and exercising and being grateful and all that goodness so even though I know you're the expert. I know you're not immune to having people around you that you'd like to help and I feel the same way ever. Since I got into into learning more about neural plasticity in the ways we can actually change our brain and personality and moods. I've been wanting to share it people. Which is why I have people like you on the podcast to get as many people as as possible to sort of buy in on it and join me in this new super happy place that I founded understand all the science that backs it up so if they're not naturally predisposed to believe it they'll they'll by in and I bet you research would tell you the same thing as the author of the book better than before which I've been reading which is about sort of changing your habits and she writes that people respond better to watching someone else live great life to have an practice good habits than than being told about it why they should do it and that they respond better to you kind of talking about about how great it is and then letting them be versus nagging or demanding that they changed so it can be tough. I've got friends and family that I want to shake because they aren't doing the things that they could to make themselves happier more satisfied edified but I know that they respond better to saying join me at Yoga or check out this great book than to say tell them what they're doing wrong repeatedly and I think that's all we can do but I'm sure you already know that like. I said you teach the class on this girl. The Commission's spoken my guest this week is Laurie Santos professor of psychology at Yale University Director of Yells Comparative Cognition Laboratory and Canine Cognition Center and the head of Silliman College at Yale in January of two thousand eighteen started teaching a class called psychology and the good life and it's breaking attendance records at the university. She's won countless awards as a student and teacher and in two thousand eighteen she received a genius award from the Liberty Science Center in New Jersey. She's also also hosted the new podcast the happiness lab which launches today September Seventeenth we talk about her groundbreaking course about finding and maintaining happiness and how our brains trick us why the Gi Joe Fallacy leads us astray and how to rewire ourselves to lead happier lives plus her work with dogs and monkeys to better understand human brains and stuff like do dogs really feel guilt. Take are they more rational than humans and learn new things plus. Our dog breeds all that different or is it just their training and their experiences. I think you guys are GonNa love this. I really love talking to her. That's what she said. I am super pumped for this and yes I know I'm going to get all the comments that I say that every single podcast but this time I really mean it even more of the other ones because even just doing the research for this has been so fascinating and all of you who are regular listeners to the podcast are absolutely going immediately understand all the ways the the things that I always talk about are going to come to a head and sort of become one in this conversation with Santos before we get to all the amazing stuff you're working on now. I quickly the and I want to do it more quickly than I usually do because I want to get to all that good stuff want to go back and start from the beginning when you were going up in new Bedford Massachusetts. Your Dad was a programmer. Your mom was a guidance counselor when you were growing up. What did you think you wanted to do when you were an adult. I think like you know there. Just weren't that many people who had all kinds of crazy careers when I was growing up so if you went to college you're either going to be a doctor or a lawyer and I knew I didn't want to be medical. Doctor that just blood is icky and that stuff so I think I wanted to be a lawyer but I have zero concept. What lawyer is actually did your data's Cape Verdi in which I believe is like an African American Portuguese descent. That's right yes. I'm Kinda Biracial kind of a mix of lots of different ethnicities. Yeah did that affect you growing up. Were you in an area that was it's pretty diverse. Yeah I think there's lots of Cape Verdeans in new Bedford lots of Puerto Rican Portuguese individual like other kinds of like lucky. Latin X folks folks and I think that was awesome. It kind of felt like you know you're growing up with like these rich communities of people from different backgrounds but kind of just this idea that you know everyone was kind of a mixed six and diverse is when he growing up in new Bedford Being Cape Verde and isn't all that strange because there are lots of keep brigands there but I learned the hard way that everywhere else in the world like they're not that many Koreans Iranians around you. Kinda have to explain it to like what ethnicity is. Most people myself included before reading. This did not even know where it was like. Yeah people are like you you Cambodian like what are they know and so if the set of islands off the coast Africa and they there's lots of folks around the northeast because folks came over on whaling ships and kind of jobs that way so go to New England seaports you tend to meet a lot of Brady and so a lot of your work is predicated predicated on observing people understanding people and even now animals when you were growing up. was that a natural thing for you or something that came about later in life yeah. I think I was always sort of a natural psychologist. I was like you know the kid that would always like try to hang out with the adult table and find out what was going on and you know what people's motivations whereas best I think you know I was always sort of fascinated with mind and how people work and just kind of the puzzle the fact that people you know they don't always act in the way you think they're going to act or you know even kind of trying. I understand my own motivations you know why is it so hard to get yourself to do. The things you really WanNa do or you know like why do we rationalize like they're just going to be so many puzzles that human behavior her and even from as young as I remember. I was sort of fascinated by them so you're in high school. Did you do sorts of activities or sports or anything I was like a full on nerd and just like not very athletic. I played I played baseball like little league for a while and golfed which was mostly just 'cause you know what's fun to Kinda around around in a golf cart so not huge not huge sporty sporty chick sadly so not into like music and theater and stuff. You're really just interested I in in your studies yeah. I did a little bit on the theater side like if I if I was going to be characterized by anything I'd be more like you know theater nerd and not even an acting nerd more like blake back tech folk stage crew stage so you ended up at Harvard University and while you were there you were a research assistant and your travels to an island east of Puerto Rico really influence what you wanted to study before that trip did you have an idea of what kind of psychology would be would be of interest yeah. I think I just Kinda did no. I mean the kind of Allah psychology was sort of interesting but what that trip changed is i. I ended up working with a faculty member. There who does work with with monkeys like basically studying how monkeys thinking what that tells us about human nature and so even when I was just like a sophomore off more I got to head to his field site in Puerto Rico and it Kinda just a lot of things for me when you when you're hanging out with interesting group of monkeys it's like completely habituated to humans and they're just fascinating and you kinda wonder like well. What are they thinking. And how are they different from us so that Kinda just launched a long path of me trying to study this question. About what makes us human mind in unique yeah. There's there's this fascinating studies about monkeys that I think are like the gateway for so many people my favorite class in college as an English major who only took one thing remotely related late into like psychology and stuff was human bonding studying how you studied rhesus monkeys to help determine patterns and raising human infants and stuff so it's really interesting that would be the thing that sort of spurred you to not only continue following psychology but specifically the psychology of animals so at that point you come back from that trip and what do you envision in terms of your career based on your newfound interest in that yeah. I think you know maybe for better for worse. I'm not sure I was thinking my career back then you know this is a ninety s when like the dot com boom was happening and people just were like no one was scared of jobs. We're like Oh. I'll just you know found facebook or something like that right. so. I just Kinda thought the scientists fun you know I was sort of enjoying asking those questions questions and kind of exploring thing I was a little bit blindsided when my senior year came around and I had to pick a career but your next step of doing a PhD in kind of keeping going with what had been working so so far seem to make sense at the time yeah she stuck with school you got your masters and PhD from Harvard in psychology with the focus on cognition brain and behavior sure and was it right after you were done with your Giga Gail Yay kind of happened in like really fortuitous where near Gale was looking for somebody doing this on and I was Kinda in the right place at the right time in some ways. It's really fast like most people in my field you know do what's called the post doc which you Kinda like training. Someone's lab for a while before you become a professor. I was a little bit more on the fasttrack which wound up being amazing just amazing place to kind of do my work but you know it was a bit of a sprint for president right out of Grad School. You know basically teaching college students in my late twenties right as a professor there so there's a little bit fast yeah absolutely so was the Comparative Cognition Laboratory and Canine Cognition those in existence at Yale when you arrived both of those kind of things that I had I started up the starting with the Comparative Cognition Lab. That's the lab where we try to study like how monkeys make sense of the world to get some hints about how humans sick and the idea there is is it. If you really want to understand what makes US special you know why we have sports and podcasts and language and conversations like we're doing now like you actually have to figure out what animal all do and why they don't do the same stuff that we do and so I started a lab where I also was doing research in Puerto Rico where we studied monkeys and then more recently tried to to study this question with some critters..

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