20 Episode results for "Justin Robinson"

PICKSTAPE 02-26-20

Mickstape: The Barstool Basketball Podcast

32:20 min | 1 year ago

PICKSTAPE 02-26-20

"Home Game Saints One. Two slain plane remains the best kept secrecy. You went platinum with the game so on fellow. What's the word just watching the great? May Moore's the unfold before our very as what's going on. What am I missing? Buddy dog spent unleashed yet again. But for why they just because Now listen this is a man with with an ardent code who only strikes when necessary And yet I mean that the headpiece was against him too so this may be the most necessary. Well can you do push a man into a corner? He's GonNa Strike Right. Yeah let me just put this cage over this Mountain Lion Shirley. He'll like this no. You don't get the cage anywhere near now. What's up with you not then? I'll wait I'm surprised and I'm still waiting to see. I don't know which is gonNA show today Boy I mean that this. Rj Bear News. Clewiston again to see that I hate to break it to do blown. Lease unranked teams coach K. Thanking people again after embarrassing losses. Ano- man he's hungry is a log on Duke fans and I'll I'll say this again when motions. Yeah I watched the fight. Over at my my boy's house Not Brings Frenzy Frenzy over. And He. He's Zoe Black Duke Fan of met my life. You're only one and the Patriots Fan. Now is a Falcons Fan Bo. Talk about a bad batch. Yeah it's look it's not ideal but he He these Duke fans have this delusion about them. I'm not I'm not anything new here but so this was Sunday nine. Did any duke to roll off like two three losses here. This was after they had already lost one. And he's still pining for two or three more so they so they can get a lower seed in so coach k can take away their sweatsuits and everything. So that's then. They can really start playing basketball OKRA. Listen coach he's a smart guy. I've never said he's a dummy but Might be time like nine or so like sixty seconds or something like that in going to double overtime with a team. That's below five hundred and then lost that game by double rough delusion overtime game by double digits especially in college right barely double digits scored in the game as it's at a log on to C. Joe Leonardi keeps dropping Kentucky and bracket -nology. He admitted he's like listen. I don't get to watch as many games as I'd like to so all right job. Then what I'll say I told my bosses and they were pretty much get bent Leonardi. He's a listen I am. I am able to practice brain surgery in a couple of years. You understand my schedule. But let's say crack open. I've said this to my boss is in Bristol. I think I would probably be more accurate if I did more studying less. Tv very nicely said we really respect your desire to be accurate but it's great television in perfect content your content. You know people think it's pretty good so there's that Listen to this guy in. He keeps dropping Kentucky. Because we're in a winning conference which is more than fair because Gonzaga's a one C Dayton's a to those guys powerhouses so I get the Atlantic ten is just juggernaut after Juggernaut of you don't have to tell me about the ten the Richmond spiders you talk about a perennial threat to cut down the nets. This I get it. I'm not mad there but does piss me off. The Duke in particular doesn't move. It's like they're under tougher conference but they're not beating any of those teams tougher cops in winning those games absolutely should be the highest. I think he overtime. I think year to year. He just picks one of the two. He's like I that one it's there it's there you're not slide in Kentucky no matter what this year to do clear he's not sliding them no matter what he can't watch both tyler there too hard to seek out these games where they on two three channels at a time. Listen I'll tell you what school it's never. It's Never Kentucky doesn't get children but it is what it is doing. Eight straight lockup. The conference a couple of games ago. Drop Assi Yeah He sure. Don't want so early bad for the rest of your conference now we've There's no doubt about. It also stinks good guy. Yeah I mean I saw a video. Last night I think big FATSO quits. Boasted of at Roy was nearly passed out to stand in there. You probably wish he would have passed up Ribbon. Watch that team. It's not great. I do love. The cow chirped Guys lost in the nit. They're not gonNA make the NRT this year. Not In her shit about Roy Williams like it's fine but I'm just I just WanNa Little Continuity Lunardi you don't think they'll put him in the Iran if they suck out loud. They're eleven seventeen. You've got to be five hundred ninety. Do you have absolutely have to be yes. That's literally the only bore anybody. Euboea HIGHEST GOUVIA above five hundred ask. Blog was penned at ten eighteen pm last night. What do you want me to say? Comma capital fucking Justin. Robinson was our best player. Tonight me sitting here saying how coach gator refuses to play Joey Baker and how Castro Stanley hates basketball. I wrote this blow you will. We'll say I do know this a smile betting man would put a future on because these losses are making them better. You have to lose to win. I'll see you mother fuckers in Atlanta Martin J Mush Calf Gadgets. Daily hates basketball taking sweatsuit. That'll get it back boy. Better be in a whole pizza. I'm I'm texting spider And tried to decipher whether he already did something or just him saying like he's like I is like working on this now than ten minutes or twenty minutes later he just said all set and I didn't respond in between the so I don't know if that means he's ready or he's already done the thing now also usually means done the thing I'll be. Yeah he's he's good at it. Nobody does a thing in Luchino. He's done the thing like spider true up. I'll tell you on top of spiders thing doers. No two ways about it off San Diego State of one t right now to just hellish conference plan the mountain West Mana man most taking his sweet sweet time at times like pizza grease all over. His fingers is probably is yellow in the halls for Kobe. Is it's it's a. It's a mess. Let me say this never again. Will I bet on the Hornets in the points? Good you talk about slaughtered. Look that was like I was like. I haven't even started to check in on the pig. Nassau must've been the Hornets one of those like into the third quarter. I think it was the I n four to fifty five at quote traded from. That was the first time I saw anything out of that game. And I course lasting Hornets end quarter three and it's just not yet terry gone up against mild start at this. Looks like probably got blocked like the game. This was the best they could get. They had ninety like no words. This is and we've talked about it before. This is when social media managing the best. It's like there's there's absolutely nothing I can say here. That people are gonNA enjoy Yup one quarter final score next Tuesday. Those really only graphics you because they lost by forty points to the bases so lesson learned. Vegas Hardier. I don't know I don't see I don't know spreads six and a half. I was like I've been bitten before someone told me last night. There I can't wait till Tyler starts taking Jason Tatum player props on that. He tweeted one minute later. He was like wait a minute. I'm a wider. I don't want that out with the careful what you wish for my man. I'm a little a little something tonight. You BETTER NOT TATUM. Is Cole. Has Not hit a shot. Is his band a different beast since we recorded after that Huston game and I gave him the what four now blow but he saw whiteside was like it was. What's worse than lunch meat? I like chumming the waters. That's just let the ball bounce right. It was Lebron against The route developing playoffs. That's exactly what it was just taking it. Easy boys you gotTa pick. I guess that I was GonNa say you got ratted. I felt for the rat episode. I yeah you guys sniff out the rat. You warned me I look listen. You're looking good Like eighteen minutes into that game the remaining already. Yeah the remaining. Not so much wasn't great I'll be NEXTA. Yeah I'll be back. Hey I'm not done. I don't know if that's your call most better be holding a whole pizza like I know pizza. Martin wasn't really good. I wrote and I thought you guys were going to start. Where'd you get it from Bravo and it was definitely not really good. No it's upside down one. That's what they say. I wish I would like to read a blog to you. What do you want me to say fucking Justin Robinson? Was I best player tonight. Y'All be sitting here saying how coach Gay Refuses to Play Joey. Baker and how cash is Stanley hates basketball. I do know this a smart betting man would put a future on Duke because these losses are making them that you have to lose to win to go on a hell of a win streak thing. I would you guys know that you do have to lose to win. Do you You've got a coach. He did the thing again. You find a whoever just whoever you can from the posing sad and just thank them so you considered classy. I love it. It's a great move. Did you watch the interview of Children's after again? Now I will never want to await for us and he was crying My Dad was known. Believe me Blah Blah coach. Galas Consoling Him Tell Coaching. They shouldn't go because he just forgets the put his players in. I don't get it. He doesn't put in Bud. Old Age. Hits us all man but faulk all of you fuck everyone? That's tweet me. Hey Duke lost who cares? It's February march. We'll be okay. It's just like the Patriots when they lose when you guys say lose early on a FUCKING KISS. This is not early. It's ask for March man. It's February twenty six. Yeah I saw that last one tweeted. I'm going to get the right numbers. How many up ninety seconds to go see. Don't be an asshole when people say like Oh shoot one hundred and twenty seconds. It's fucking two minutes pal. Joy second sounds way more than two minutes. Okay so that would mean that more beneficial for Duke. You'd want it to sound like more. No we want less time. You WanNa blow huge lead in the smaller amount of time. Yeah coach pay more historic. I get it. Yeah you all went for the record books. You don't WanNa just lose. You WanNA lose a fire. Glory double digit loss and overtime. That's where we're doing this thing. Where like like last year at RJ. Barracuda's the the bucket every single. We'll get there. You WanNa talk now. It's fucking Jones was J. back styler. It's got a stat. I don't know if you saw this. Did you see today much with? Rj said he's a writer. You make sense does it. He's not that good. So let's I don't hate it. But what a wild thing to admit it also makes Ben Simmons look that much better because he's doing the same thing but at least he's so like an all NBA talent rj. Barrett's naughty but like if they had like five all rookie teams. Would he make the fifth fuck yacht? We all had think about it. It's like I don't know I mean we had some earth plant some good ball. I don't I don't think anyone in the world would take I j Barrett over Rui right now Martin would I was. I don't know you've never seen him with his right hand. Maybe he's way worse and Oiseaux right. He's in his thirties. It could not hold much worse. He could get to be fair to archer. I gotta get my ashes you. It's got a lamp. GotTa do what you gotTa do. I remember the last time. I got ashes Kobe. Kobe is so glenys all like Glenys dog. Shit ashes. Yeah and there's one God. Forget her name so walking around. I see her and her like Holy Shit like they worked for us. She's knows He's got the biggest biggest ashes and I'm just walking out of ood. Nice asked and she thought I was like Nice Ass Life Shin Weight so that have a nice ass. I was like no you got a nicer caboose terrible crash keeping it away dumpy. Shit. I'm Kobe Kobe's theory says that she's She never comes. Control never comes down here. She's peacock rashes. Mouth and stuck their head onto the puppies. Getting big wait pick Donald Donald. Yes she puts her head into the control room until she's peacock near visit. I Dunno Kellie Martin. No I know her her. As a obstacle nail sees upstairs. It could be any for sure. It's like a new new jacket new pair of shoes. You walk around the classroom. Sharpen your pencil. Couple Times. Glenys ashes. I I don't even know what happened. Like also has a hat on the probably walking away. Yeah but he's like a hat up guy like his hats like back here like like an old umpire I think Glenn should be our office on pyre at Begi should have to wear the whole like the Blue Collared Shirt fans and he just makes calls every day every day. You're out of here Smith. Take a hike. WanNa hear it. He just get a general like big empire energy. I don't know what it is about I've always cinemas like good bench coach. Tommy lasorda is. I don't know they just when I look at Glen Balls at the baseball everytime cleaning with you shouldn't buy a heating develop by. He should hang out by snacks like soul. That's a little overweight. Goes for the cookies. Oop Don't you do it outside? I'm sorry I told you I told you're asking the Jackpot now You you you made fun of for his picked. We we talked about it before you got here. As you sauntered into the room would you like to talk about? Tyler is Hornets pick last night out bad boy. I saw that so early on in the desert. Wow that's one of the worst picks Memphis seems. I don't see it to the end of the third quarter when they were up. A brisk thirty nine ABS- Fifty five points in the fourth quarter. Yeah I think there's twenty five nineteen and eleven points so the fact that they scored any at all in the fourth. I smelled out. That bucks picked like nobody else debt. That very few people are ready to ride with the bucks this year. So I'm proud of you for now. Alan Lowe with that line Karadzic Nuggets Woods. Easy for me Celtics illegal. Three three and a half of the Celtics is easy as hell. That game was never in doubt. And I'm going back to that. Well Tonight Celtics getting points against the jazz. Are you kidding me? You fucking getting me much. You kidding me. Who's getting home? Yeah no I have not wanted to jest or joke. Any kinds taking south exposed for an half Utah Not that it matters at Utah. And that's on a back to back. A what a what a suck big job. You got me with that face. Yes what do you mean you were the one who said Hey. Everyone look at me do this face and then. I threw out a picture of your face. Oh Chuck some soda do the noise the Earth Noise. You make your fucking pick jere no dude talking like schmos. I'm looking right now. Eight definitely wasn't so loud we didn't hear it starting to try to force. It is dead according to you showed ahead of Chris Cole. No free ads critical blank. Cola us we never do that. Mavericks Myers Five. Why the fuck this spurs only plus five. Who knows trash? I got some from both of those games. Boston you to Anita Marquis. Smart to get twelve points or more and a Celtics win plus two thirty an old. I think though when they're finished with nine it's of already accepted it kind of went off last night. There's no way he's doing it again. Six tonight thirty eight tomorrow scored tonight UP LOOKING FORWARD TO AN DALLAS. Burs back on the player points handicap. Luca's leader plus zero the Rosen plus three and a half. Kp plus seven and a half to Marta. Junior plus eleven. And a half seth plus fourteen and a half dijon tasteless fourteen and a half patty mills plus fifteen and a half. Brentford plus sixteen and a half having said that I like Tim Hardaway Junior. He's having a good month. He's getting plus eleven and a half points. The odds of plus six fifty. I'm going with Tim. Hardaway the second a Do something and then he did nothing. 'cause noise trader. Try it so give me just added were Houston minus eleven and a half. It's going to keep riding Houston until they fucked me over several times in a row in there to Houston eleven half and the under to thirty seven. The GRIZZ are on the Schneider wedding. Hitler and I'M GONNA ride it until right in both of these so they fall off so tonight probably when they fall off plus Tuesday. Who's the Memphis your Memphis Grizzlies? Justice Justice winslow got A. I don't think they WANNA game says now that my team. No more the fucking. Pelicans are at the Grizzly Stink Elkins lost two of his I ended. He went on believable. Yesterday Ingraham lost drew. Loss did not get the twenty one points I needed thanks drew UK. They're much. I'm struggling so anyway. How did you eat man? Fuck it upside down. Pete'S UPSIDE DOWN. I don't know what that means. All's down and my pants are mess eve everywhere Other cows the cows applied to the sixers rose stuff that again? I think we'll find out tonight like as like the cavs are so bad but phillies also on the road. Tyler would happen. Talk Talk Talk. No that's on me you concrete. That was out of my throat. Hell Yeah I'll never talk again. I motion is Philly on the road. But it's Philly without one of Simmons embiid so that's true that plays into all my. You'll never come on my throat. Don't try to become natural. Which what you take picking one of these teams cap split seven and a half all right Hickel. No it's actually scared me. I'm in a wild mood today. Because Duke made me really upset last night but I saw that I saw that pig rub. Yesterday was fucking fast and I was given out today. Tennessee close four and a half the Arkansas and Some guy called like. Hey just let me know. I still just deliver a package to a house. And they had a three hundred pound pig in the house. Jesus Arkansas's play tonight. You GotTa have their Arkansas and fast. Yellen razorbacks yeah wanted to go with burp the whole chance to. What do you got to give it a name? Them Lizard regurgitate our little Some garbage garbage. Yeah all right. Acid reflux dying justice fucked up without question Nets mine is. I'd love to like have nets minus two then Bradley. Beal scores fifty in gives a glare in a loss. That's my job. Stay off my Guy Cleaner. Fo- it's pretty corner clips seven there too. They're they're they. WanNa play basketball now. Beaten the Grizzly. Does that get you off this? Does that even count though so bad? I don't know does it matter of Africa today? Much really brocher game in my mind is occupied today. What's on your mind with Now the pigs man the pig's really on my I keep thinking about how majestic gallivanting around. Pigs will do that. Israeli scooting gleaning comes musher effort today. instruct recalls. So bad bill. It stinks so bad I can do it. Yes yes I've never heard it please. I mean they'll get him because he's he'll be two swell me fattier. Carry your bags. Tied him he's too easy going to be like strike inside. I can see what you're saying but you know it's a judgment call man that pitch three point one balls that is like now the self affair. I'll be back next. Time began ask instant replay going. He gets up right. The first time takes a sweet ass. Time seems to me we think a fallacy. Glenn is here all on much. Only you talk to the camera stays on you. Okay well yeah I would think so. So money is here in studio and regarding if you didn't know yeah I'm regretting. So yes so we need a new job. I as the Umpire Flurry offs. Great but we need to work on something. You strike recoil by strengthening cosby show. I agree I've been a long time. Give serious right now. Please stand up you know. Sit Down as well. It's all very much. Turn the camera towards I gotta get my stance. Yes we'll into the three pitching in Iraq Shaikh through all the good. God wants us now. That's why Moses better you're will. I'm a casual guy over. Collegiate Gavin. Joe I want one more do one more on a strike through this is like our. What's really give me a scenario to on a first in first and second to outs it's the bottom. It's the top of the seventh and two runs of just scored on the previous. I don't remember everything you just like a two one. On top Gordon say to say dose Joplin two one two out three two and the run will school. I don't fucking okay. Scenario Godly big. That's a big thick. I down and it's a curveball hitting the the black argument three way I won like you move you also didn't somehow I don't understand. He was strike three. He likes a lot of movement but I bet on the replay. We're going to say he did. No Movement Act lifted his off like I shouldn't be able to understood. Strike three perfectly party. Karate is basically karate you're saying the words you stink you stink up. That's a bad little bit you disgusting. Now 'cause you get the mask on the mask is you have to. You have to Yell Dog. Walking and there's a lot happening on strike breakouts Campbell. What's your story? See Tomorrow Basement?

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Ep53: Are Royals favourites for the league title?

Makem Takem

34:02 min | 1 year ago

Ep53: Are Royals favourites for the league title?

"The new book to this tweet make him take him one month into the baby. All the time to take stock of a few things Joining in making some no doubt ridiculous. Chris Chris thanks Dave how you doing. Yeah I'm good. I'm good ridiculous statements lined up this week list. Okay we're still in the group stage cop that's given US plenty to talk about on the first one I want. Want to jump into straight away First question for you. Obviously London roles start this season. Six and Aims left Indisputable Cup South Group. The question is quite simple based on BBC cop experience that we have all the royals current favorites to take league title. I've I've often this current. BBL's didn't right now in the cup what they proved to said the king of the South now they have to go mix the boys up north to be able to really cement that source statement. But what you see already An understrength side as well at the moment because Andrew Lawrence isn't in that and they're still able to produce winning victories than actually performances that she showed us as well. This team is very exciting. Going forward and Are Really can't wait to see the next stage of the season. Well Ray would balance out and get really good. Look at how good this team could actually be. Yeah no it's exciting exciting to see how good they seen Kobe. But like you say the one concern. I have is exactly what you say in making. This claim that Ali favorites league. Titles they've they've not taken on Newcastle. All that stuff to you would you know kind of thing about. Surely they've got to be. There will thereabouts for the League as well. I'm Sheffield looking crazy. Good this year goals go on looking exactly shabby die. You know those four teams in the North Group so until we see them play those changes. It's really tough to go six. Andrew Lawrence's Miss. Three of those six games sewn does is yet to play a single game exciting for the London City rose more also than even their first year when they probably spend twice as much as I have issue. Yeah I think it's a way better management going forward this year from understanding way you are point development going forward and moving forward as a group Because you know you don't need to highly expand on your first season. It's a nice thought that was you know as as great as dream was bringing a limp lives back together. It was unrealistic and it was always GonNa end the way the you know Yukon Contain Matthew. Brian Mannan Ashley on that sort of wage. It just detrimental to the club. And all they've done is just sweep it around. They see exactly what they need These these high impact players and not bringing the laboratory's twins and stuff like that and for them to play with such an executive team role that they do play works folks. I think it works more To establish more British performance and You know have in the main scores being British than actually just bringing in two stunts. Let plus you know. I'M NOT GONNA love money against them and their game against Worcester of the we came because the ultra looking great. I thought was destroyed stroke. Same doom well royals without Andrew Lawrence for another game. I was thinking. Yeah Fancy there's the ultra great and Yeah that looks to be some cash thankfully also have money on CHESA ZSA winning up in Glasgow money from the great thing as long as you say I thought bringing the lab twins in coming with a bit of ego then not want it to be all about them. They've happily take a secondary role but they still contribute and it's not like they're coming on just how it's not like a Rodman situation that we had where he didn't even know his teammates names de take care. He came in to take the pack down at Brunton beds back in the day and it was a payoff. Last twins have coming in actually done a job and not pro there. He goes with them. They've come and played hopscotch. Boskin played good team basketball. And you know they've really You know I put my hands up was worried that he was going to be an issue for them but really hasn't been they've actually added to it. You know in on city royals now six players averaging double digits And and this is you know they're winning games. Without what would be considered to that big plays in in Lawrence and saunders exciting to see what's going to happen when we have fully fit Full roster for London City rose. I don't see and you know this bb preparation reparation time. You know we've always been talking that you get to see each other teams and everything like that. Now you've got the biggest guy. Oh you can see 'cause you know what Solan this will bring you. You've forty seen what Lawrence's I is capable of distributing the ball. She play making his playmaking ability within this lake. These this is a very well balanced team in the united after what they offer what they promoted last season. I feel more that I believe in it more this season with with this talk lineup than anything else and going deeper and deeper into the season I think you know I'm putting my put my hand in now. Maybe the thing that these guys are going to win trophies and it will be a better season than last season for them. Yeah I couldn't agree more. You know people really excited. It lost season to see that roster come to the floor. I was more concerned than excited this year. I'm just excited by what they do. This this is a team should do. They well-funded Sunday. There's no two ways about that. They're still spending good money trying to build an infrastructure down there But they're doing it the right way. It's slightly more okay. We spending good money. But we're not going crazy and let's build from there You know on floor wise how much she can you credit. The performance in the Khanna changing dynamics or coach Gardner's based on this year. I think he's done I think he's done a great job in finding his broke consistency. I think he's been able to find the balance within what he has and he's brought consistency because before you were questioned. Sometimes we'll neighbor one day hot next week. Paul he seemed to be a consistent level all the way through. It's just more understanding understanding of what they do. They seem to be able to. They understand who they are a little bit more able to push forward they allow plays the American comes in and puts them on the shoulder this week he he was fantastic within the last quarter of two points coming into it ended up with seventeen great performances. And it's kind of this selflessness. awfullest nurse that allows players to be able to put put that team and say okay. This is how we got to win. And you know we learn from merciful than I think that sort of quality going forward in development team they are can only bring great things in the future you know on the floor. It's looking really exciting. Tim For this team could go and let you say you have a feeling that some form of silverware is coming their way this year. The caveats in that I watched the game this this weekend and the one concern I have is it feels like the crowd might be shrinking again. What your folks and I don't know is it? The lab twins of novelty novelty wearing off the Lithuanians in London of coming seeing. They'll have twins plan the city role so it's tick that box for them and that I really need to come back in. That's concern of walk base crowd. Do they actually have the. Isn't there. Novelty factor wall. They actually doing to engage people and to you know to sell tickets it. That's the concern. I have. I think you see. I'm not watching them a bit in. I would just bet through the promos on twitter trying trying to too tight. The program in a different way pushing pushing the social media value of it. I mean the heart ticket sell because there's so much sport in London anyway. Anyway it's several. There's several million people certainly s right so if you can open up that channel having to team I still have two teams in. London is better thing the one thing I do get with the did you know with the city royals is. I like the way they're trying to. You know at the pilots and stuff like that trying to define their home trying to define the you know 'cause it always works in London as like with football isn't it is come by Barbara and stuff that there is an identity to them. I think they just continued to work on that. And just continue to push the social media aspect out more and hopefully fleet winning will take care of itself and that she people stop believing this club. Anti now yeah. You'd hope you'd hope but the thing is I think that's the thing that clubs CBS coming. Especially when they're completely fresh clubs you know they made from nothing that come out of the the eighth ally. The London seat rolls have is that they think crowds are just GonNa pay such an organic process to spend a marketing. It takes time to build right crowds. You know it takes time to convert someone who comes once a season to twice a season to a few times this constant process. And you just hope you know stick to it. And they continue to engage and like you say produce content like Josh's producing listen to drag people into into the arena in into becoming roles fans for life. Hopefully they stick to it because it's probably a five six year process. That's a good crowd regularly Crystal policy thing is crossed on the floor gone. Well let's hopefully off the floor follow suit with that Let's jump the second question now. We're going to stay down in the south We all sorry school. Just pick up first win of the season At the Foot Sports Park Eighty to seventy seven against the London. Endon Lions again in the south group of this bb L. Cup stage Question for you is. How important for sorry was their win? Over the Lions How important for sorry was it for me to finally see them win because this team for them to it was massive and you you just saw on the players faces? It's like among. He's being taken off that they need glue and again I mean they were up twenty one points and there was some shabby play within the last five minutes about guys but pressure sometimes teams on this precious thing. I was believed. The pressure is a privilege in. You know you're in there for that reason and if you if you can acknowledge it in a sustained and be able to work then it's only going to bring you good things. It's exciting watching them you know. They is massive. They finally got that win because it does take that monkey off the back of but it's it's what they do with that win other sorry going to be that not now that go back. And only watch the good parts of whether they're playing or actually now down and look within their roster as well as their play. How how the hell do we key blow in these big leads? What do we need to do to come together? Because Kim tire will definitely always put him on the back. You lay make install of it. You Know Flanagan Etc Mike Criticism with him is that it's not his criticism because that's a stall of God he is and that's what we brought in. Maybe it's a criticism of you know how to take get further. They need more of a scoring guard but he discolor whites playing very well to you can see he plays with Har- meant more to him than probably everybody as well. They won that game. Plan the big plan Justin Robinson that the end of the game so I'm very very happy that they got because they do deserve it they compete. You never thinking it's been very small things maybe with the Russell. What they're doing as a game plan that has been in Brin them actually winning up until until now? Yeah I agree with you the concern I have the phenomenon and is a massive wing because what you say breaking that seal on the wins column in any season. He's and you WanNa do you WANNA do a month theme but like you say that noise that you just might. Then that's the reaction. You have a smile relaxed. We're talking to go winless in the the season you know but sorry yeah. It's huge but this whole idea that they lose they lose leagues saying but twenty one points seven minutes left in the third reports and I think they just going to cruise control. I think that stage and they did it I think it was a game down in Bristol and ended up that they literally just went into cruise control way too early tried to roll to the finish line and almost lost to you know start trying to manage and things like that way way too early. They need to keep the foot on the gas and and keep pushing through. I'm not so psychological thing you'd hope someone lights Heo with the experience he has you know has the ability to instill twisting nights. Yeah I think so. But it's also the way they play as well because you know tell there's a couple of times where it gets into silly foul trouble as well so he I I seek. Sometimes he has to control himself there. But it's it's the becomes the point where you know that the God isn't going to school the bull so you use newsham now on everybody else you go under every screen you you force him to keep the ball in his hands to the shot clock ticks down ticks. Downes takes down. Then you take full advantage each of the pressure that they're having to make shots would have been. It would have been crazy if we assume white actually might not make that shot that crazy step back home. I'm for jump shot. He might but that lady luck is always there Erin is believed to be good. You are called to get lucky so I think with this team you see this this definitely a core of eight that will fight for each other you have no doubt about that. Coach is doing a great job of actually being able to contain that and being able to make them fight every time they got in the flow. I've had no doubt about that but when it comes down to it they do miss that extra scoring in play maker that they have a me. We'll done a great job but it just isn't that type A guy that can actually take the ball and go school you know and calm. Everybody's numbs down. Stop teams taking big runs on them. And you know that's where that's where Guilford now need to go back to the video and start working with each other and say hey come on. This is the cycle It's a psychological Mac but we gotta stop it and stop letting swell every single time because it is just like a whirlwind effect yet. Yeah that's is. Yeah I and I agree with you on the situation with the Gulf like Wilkinson. Keanu one thing I would say. This is a different for me from loss to this year. I actually fill that yet. You're not gonNA lean on them for heavy minutes heavy points but you do feel they're gonna come in and inject something when they come off the bench and chip. I didn't feel like they had anything. You know contributing from the bench and I don't know why Henry stunning to a different planet issue I always thought he was. BPL level. So we'll see. I saw him play at least met back in the day. And I always always so we can make that step up and he struggled so far and his BB L. Seasons but this year averaging over eleven points a game. I think he's doing a good job. He knew coming Um and Hayden. I absolutely huge three effectively win. The game at the end was was massive. And you saw how much it meant to him. Fist pumping through the air. And I. It's great great to see that you just feel more of a team this year than they were lost. You and Connie have each other's backs a bit more this year. I think you're right. I think last year it was a big lesson for them because they still put together some very good performances last year. It's just it works for them. The consistency are now Now they really got to go into looking how we GONNA win these close games because there's nothing worse than probably dying for a season than looking down and you lose everybody lethal five or less because you know a deep down in your heart. It's something that we can do to stop that you know it's not because of the level etc because the level is easily balanced but one of they going to do as a club in. There's a team to be able to stop that. You know losing by five because you can live with that excuse by five but that's something that you definitely can't control control okay. Final question for this one. Then and again it's me shoving you off the fence. All School is a top team this year if they can find a scoring guard than they have the ability they have the ability to put Amongst up playoff playoff contender Okay so you think there's more additions needed someone entertainment to step into that role on what you see right now. I I think if you do bring in that scoring guard than this scholar white will only get fed up because it creates a more space for the three because he is the problem being that stretch that that stretch for with the very difficult to God but when you have when you don't have a playmaker that's able to school and you can sit on him. You don't enough to overhaul when it makes things difficult going into the season especially when you play each other four five you look at this group in the Cup now. These guys didn't play Java six seven eight times. Is this season. So you know that's not gonNa that's GonNa cut it when the going gets tough in the regular season. Okay so let's jump onto our third third question name as I said an intro. We're one month in so we're GONNA take a little bit stock right now. Simple questions here. Who was impressed? And who is disappointed. Thought being school. Isn't it. I remember that there was a lot of could do better mine if you take it in that so if you take it in that sense I think the to the to lead in the two leading teams that have come out and shot out. The of haven't disappointed so far oversee London and Sheffield I'm surprised by Sheffield. They started so so That was a big as a kink. Losing to Cheshire I think that was so cool for them. Because it's the game that they should've won this well But I think them two teams right now. The stand. That one's been in there. I would move. I think seeing as the makeup teams as well I will move worcester into that category need oversee. Listen the big man. I think maybe they might need one more to be a top four top four competitive but right now. That's the way they're looking going forward into is the season. I'm pretty similar to you. Yeah I think oil's obviously have to be the biggest positive takeout season. The navy impressed was absolutely again a new era so cheesy seems to be the new be has taken off welfare them in Worcester Sheffield again very very very good. I always nagging thing. When's IT GONNA collapse? I don't know why sorry Monica or no personally but he's away in the back of my mind is nagging Phil. He's GonNa fold up on the you know in your stomach going to happen that's going to derail it on the other one again kind of links Sheffield game and against Cheshire. That you're talking about my much positive is we. We have a little bit. Trump was cheches. Defense this is the first time and as you can kill me Chechen fans this is probably the last decade of actually enjoyed watching. Chechen play basketball because I play in Boston both ends of the floor. There's tons then. Just all our offense offense. Their offense looks great. And it's really unselfish and when they get flow in his beautiful to watch but actually care about defense shit and it's not some things in Cheshire in maybe ten years. Is it defenses. Ever been thought about the yeah. I'm actually enjoying what she Chechen play for the first time in a long time so I have to put that for me as a positive. I'm on the disappointed side the bit where we wanted people up now disappointed. I'm just before we move on. I was very impressed. Trust with Cheshire as well this weekend the shot making ability was fantastic and they do sneaking as well with the what comes especially because they've had to fight through so many injuries and every game they go into their underdog so just to show that extra presence if he can get that right at that club and be able to bring him with the bakes and control because you know at the point. God's good he's really good and he makes them slow in the shop Mayton ability or they could be something but it it it does need more going onto the disappointments. How K.? For me the two disappointed clubs the Newcastle simply because of the lack of leadership with the roster that they have and what they're trying to achieve in the one of the biggest disappointments to me a really close go. Because you know that that's a roster the bid a very deep roster is underperforming in my is that the lack glistening that they play with against Cheshire on the Friday night it was was something think easily to see you know they they only showed any type of effort even even when the anytime sorry with two minutes to go when the Game Amos on the line and I think you just can't live like that plays schouten slumps. You've got coaches standing there. That doesn't show any kind of emotion that might that'd be the way he does things but within the team that looks like they're really struggling to play together. It's just not helping them interesting. I've got to as well. Well I hadn't either of the two that you've go so and Manchester Expected Manchester to be one of the tough ones. But based they will. They didn't last year. You kinda like well. Maybe they'd China in the corner. Maybe they find something. But what a performance issue I'm wrong. They've had injury problems on no that recruitment issues as well but what they shows me is how much did their entire season last year. Rest on the shoulders and really Clayton. That's one they seasons shown to make because that go affect you that core is still returned and then they just. They're not even in the rice. They're not in the game or told him another injuries. And another trying recruit additional bodies at the moment but yeah unless things change the. It's A. It's a scary situation for the giants and the other one which I thought you jump Homa London in lions they were. They were the best team in the league. Lost Shit they won the league. They were this that and the other you know Robinson was was league. MVP and all this. The question now is do you think it's that big spending year that they had lost years. Now come come back to bite on the US and killed the mystics here. Yeah with with what with what you were saying. I look at London and they go in that can do better when personnel is better because is light lester as well. They're going to grow but London not the team that they were last year London or not. They haven't got the the insight the presence they haven't got the chemistry right together. They're just not as good as they were last year. So my my decision on choosing Newcastle in. Ah Glasgow was simply because of the what they have and the way it's underachieving. Because I think you see the problems that London have you see that it's not not the same as last year. Use that money big blow up and they can't repeat what they had lost year. So I'M NOT GONNA. That's an easy one for me to dismiss this same with Manchester as an organization. I feel very disappointed by the organization there because you might to semi finals and this is how you prepare for the next season. He's moving forward as a professional basketball club. That kind of sucks you give such a high and then okay well. It's just a one off and we continue to build what I feel very sorry for the fans and the direction of the coaching staff and everything because this obviously no backing going into that yet certainly tough situation for Manchester with regards to the lines. The thing that really scares me is could. They miss out on the playoffs this year. I think I think they could. Because there's a big consistency but with them they still got that triangle affect with Robinson. You you know. But they. They missed the score vaunted tavern you you know Jordan Spencer Flavor World last season you missing another big man so-called just actually make an appearance. I think it will change dramatically. A little bit too because it gives them the stat that character them but apart from that. It's it's a worrying time because of the recruitment that's on the floor. Yeah Yeah I agree. Yeah I think the issue is and I think what they showed us with regards. The lines is how good and how important tools because not only did he perform. I'm well himself. He enabled and freed up. Robinson to play you know. He didn't crowd him. He drew some defensive pressure away from him. So I think what it shows for us but yeah it's You wonder You have a feeling SOCO is going to turn up the NBA Gig as well. You know recording. I think it's a magazine show each week. He's going to be london-based for that. It will make sense continues at some point. He's obviously scramblers. Be Interesting to see if I'm what impact that will have. We obviously discussed last week. let's jump onto our final question of this week's podcast and it potentially could give me on my soapbox again so we'll give you a run warning instead of a spoiler warning warning. You Might WanNa come back seven or eight minutes. Yeah just finish off but the question is what are your thoughts on the new style TV coverage. BVI This season in in the big picture. It's fantastic because you know me living away from the UK. I get to watch it. I get to see I get to follow it. I get to see all the games that always on. I'm reading Ron and I don't have to miss out because there is that obviously there's no live. TV guide so every game usually at the same time. So I can rewatch checking sauce for would I can make sure I'm not to date with everything doing so. In that space and the ability that the League has to promote itself with is a is a bit about full it was last year however sometimes we use that key motion stuff lost when I was in. Belgium used it for scouting purposes is because every team has that's what loaded video to scout them excetera and we had to use Chemo version as the money. But as a pop from the picture quality that you know cookie. GPS because play people playing dockery. And this and the lightness and that it sounds like sometimes the swelled with commentary coming out of a can I think as good as it is. There is a lot of work that needs to be done. And but I'm just glad that they've taken the step forward. But when you look at it and evaluate bag steps needs to be taken as well okay. Are we ready. I'd off now. Yeah I agree with you completely. It's great every gang should be real cost. Content is king for the BB. They've got a ton of good content. Get out there absolutely so. The Youtube Concept Brilliant. I think that's absolutely wonderful. And the issue is I understand the process you know they they have the TV deal with perform and that's primarily for betting markets. You know the deal. They provide video video footage of every game live alongside commentary. You know that's the deal performing ultimately it's performance putting all this money to even fund any of this coverage whatsoever so if they can do that on the cheap. That's that's great now. Obviously what they do in these piggybacking that to be able to give it to the fans as well so you kind of say I'd rather have bad quality than nothing. It's all so oh I think that's great the concern I have is just what it does for the PPO brand it's embarrassing and this slot on the club's because there's nothing that they're doing bristol. The angle is looking off a cliff at the game is absolutely horrific. It's almost nauseating to watch. And then you talk about the lighting situation situation you telling me lester new calls don't have you know. TV standard lighting doing brand new arenas but it looks like I'm you know back in the North Bay in Cheshire where it's pitch-black a don't understand. My phone camera has the ability to adjust the lighting conditions pay cameras. How is this possible? I don't get it. I just hope from my my point of view that they have some kind of quality clothes in a contract that enables them to revisit and say look key motion. You either pick up your game. We'll get lost a move normally someone else. Because there's a a little different options on these tracking automated camera software an hallway. There's plenty of options out to look at another trial run Hawkeye and there's other other brands outlived doing it so for me. I'm just hoping this is just a year trial for the key motion to get the get the game together because they're producing really poor quality and it's no good for them because it makes that product pretty crap as well On a positive now I'm going to finish on a positive that the the quality of the Common Um and what the guys are actually saying is getting better loss chair. I sat with Muthana for pretty much every team. I'M NOT GONNA go team by team. But almost every team Tame I sat with the Mute Button and just listening to music while the game was playing because that country was awful. Okay this is getting better than moving in the right direction. The the relationship between the lead in the COCOM's is starting to develop the one concern. I have is that still to bias. They talk about way. Oh talk about one team and not the other that's understandable because they're fans of the home team But yeah that's the one tip I wanNA say WanNa give is. The commentary has improved massively this year to last year and commentary obviously comments at myself going to say this but he plays a big part in sports. I'm watching live sport so I think that's a great steps forward for I'm stepping. How right that was good? That was good. I'm very positive too because you you let you. Let them even argument there. I think what you say is definitely right because it is as well people do. Have to stop saying weaned because your job is like you do as a commentator is to teach is a and promote the environment and she teach him how how with the Game Amos being played in a way subjective. So I think it's hit is definitely definitely a massive positive massive positive to the to in the League I just think that there. There's obviously because it's new. This row Rosa needs to be crossed. But I hope it continues and I just hope it continues to get better because because that type of media that type of exposure has to stave in the league because it is the way that basketball is going it is it is a multimedia's for it is finding success on these channels is finding you know. Regular regular slots is easy to watch. It is easy to promote so I hope it continues to grow direction. Yeah and like I say every gang being free to air and Youtube is phenomenal. The concern I have is the the only people that are going to watch. That are already know about the game already. Love the sport or a fans of the clubs or family of the players we we need the TV. Do you know the gets us a new audience. This is about increasing reach and Brenda wins for the League and we go into the moment and until we get TV annot the cost implications are off the char but then needs to be some kind of way of working at TV deal. There has to be an innovative way of working. TV deal to make this happen opening until that happens the TV coverage really isn't GonNa make the move you know. Make the League. All the clubs move forward is not going to increase the awareness. The is so desperately need deposits. potus boy I'll tell you agree with that because that's always been our biggest If we can do with that and I think the spokane bowl can jump and but okay with we're moving towards it so hopefully within the next couple years we can find this solution to that. The thing is crossed it has to be the next big step for the BB L. to get you know. Daily terrestrial TV deal done some income tree view of the masses come watch it without subscription charges chasing bt and sky. We don't need to be doing that. He's actually detrimental for game right now. We know we need to be on and on TV or a spike. Dave quest one of these channels the everyone can watch in the. We can really start. You know getting into every household in the country. That's the keynote behind a paywall. That's not where we need to be. That's not possible. Needs Right now. Okay so that wraps up a slightly extended episode of make him take him. We usually worth. Thank you Chris. Again for your input today. Thanks very much for have make an. I'll see you again again next week and thank you for listening in home again. Remember if there's any subject you guys want us

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Ep76: Can an all-Brit team be competitive in Europe?

Makem Takem

34:35 min | 1 year ago

Ep76: Can an all-Brit team be competitive in Europe?

"The new to make him take him. We continue with all series and lockdown postcards. Tonight tonight we are going to have a bit of a look L. team. You're going just Chris. Just introduce Chris Paul the ultimate Christmas. Hey Chris how're you doing out of taken just onto my legendary that that puts a no for good reason legendary for good reason? Yeah that's too high they knock it out and after that so yeah. I'll take the first one on the second. Okay that's good so the reason for the podcast tonight. It's been so much talk in the last few days weeks about teens. Bb Gun into your. We've got the lions but then you invest a comment inside that you're in his premise of them. Invest in in the lines that franchise is mentioned boroughs Russell Evanston on the MVP pool cost recently and that was the one that piques my interest because of the conversation. That was the need for more imports slots to sell the BB L. teams can be competitive in Europe. Now Chris that's what's got me my question today so here is the one question we're going to discuss cannon. Oh British. Bb ROSTA competitive in Europe. I think the replays out there that you can make ten for me. I was believed that an import you need imports dictate the level of competition. So but definitely I think. Move there is. There is a chance where if you win you put ten plays on the floor that will actually compete within the level How far they get. They could do pretty but I just think. Sometimes you need that your input from that import guy this. Why do on one of these guys that really do celebrate that important thing because it is a step up in is moving forward type of situation but could you do it? Y'All think this ten twelve plays out there that you could put on. One team gets bell system and how long it took for is another questions. Yeah I think he was just kind of a bug back a little not taken away at me saying look surely not that desperate for import plans. We you know we wax lyrical every week on this constitutes about the quality of British plans that we've got an I kinda went down. Did the Conroy. Okay if I'm going to recruit British roster wear my going. I went Justin Robinson. Appoint God Ben Mc food at my to God's Yoga Dang beat my three Ali Fraser full. I woke up five. Looks like a reasonably strong five but then Kinda Thune okay. Well let's put that into European dimension. Nobody in horrible you missing athleticism and speed. It is that one of the main attributes imports will bring as another element. The you're kind of looking for when you're using imports. I think to a high level of comparison. I think to an understanding a veteran of how to play a repeat in style of game that type of competition. Don't get me wrong. Elite basis as a league basis. You have laws information on each other all the time play. Europe. You don't have that level of information you don't have that scout and available to you and till the very very final things changed teams operate so I think having place adaptable to play at that level. straight away. I think that's the way you you you really work on. The athleticism like you saved from the imports to be able to structure a team. That will be highly competitive in Europe like you. I wouldn't have a couple of definitely from me. I had Andrew Lawrence in there as well as Justin Robinson. Making one hundred Lovie Soco because obviously you played this year. Let's take him. I'll take him any way to European experience. Lovie man I'll go on see that's me done. I'm hanging up my headphones and I'm out it. Doesn't it depress you anymore? But a couple of years ago he made five and five. This is a row down on a couple of rosters. Come on on. This is a full man. I'm taking Jordan Williams. I always seek. Es the ability to play in that position on at five I is well. I agree my walkers being there but also a standup this season. I like to have a little testing. They're from the BBC. The season his alley phrases just because he has that kind of back to the basket. You put the right guys around him. I think he's putting opportunity to play very well in Europe so three up starting and five but if you took that sites and then took an imports about point. I think you look in a very good European competitive team figuring out where you can get better for next. Yeah I agree with you the phrase the thing for me was. I obviously wants to Feb at European balls. We've come and sign on. I lost last few years. And you just feel if you go against an Eastern European team or you know a lot Tamer Lithuanian team. They still know how to play back to the basket. I mean they still happy to put it into the post and you down. Which beal doesn't do is not used to it. We don't use defendant. Or is it like Saudi Fraser condemn deal with that? You talked about one point on really interested. Do you think that would be key if you tried to do this? Kind of rich flavor to team book brought some impulse into it is he. Effective bringing imports got European experience. How integral is it? That the guys that you do bring in on your import slots are going to be you know journeyman within Europe. They understand the competition understand the rigmarole of midway and more gains and all that kind of stuff. How big is Vegas really really important? I think an have employers where you can put bonus structures in as well To fire up guys to be you know. People sometimes sunlight bonus structures and everything but if you play them right you know they give give an extra competitive edge. They bring on. They helped lead teams when the down and stuff like this having the right mindset I bring added mindset. I think they bring added experience because they are paid to play. And that's it you know where an affront at a local guy Sometimes you know has a different mindset to that. They're in an environment that that the isn't home to them. You know they have to perform they understand as well even if it is a rookie moving onto a one. Two Year guy or even a veteran. You know you're still putting yourself out there in the spotlight now especially with. European competition is very very accessible to everybody. You know you. Can you see you see over the last couple years the transition from the Champions League two Euroleague etc to euro cop and how many players move along? How many young flies is buying the Champions League at the moment and move forward from that positions so yeah I think cabinet roster like that. I think as well. How do you might these guys play harder play more consistently and I think that's why integrate imports really really brings stroke to what you're GONNA do. Okay next question. Have you with the GAULS imports? Feels like we signed up see. Original question was cut an BBDO. Ross to be competitive. In your condescend proably could impose impulsive. Tip them over into that. Actually that very competitive that if you were to bring imports in which is specifically focused on specific positions so you looking back co imports. Biggs a wing shooting. What kind of skill says what do you think the maybe British plays could benefit from imports being brought in alongside? Or is it. Just you know which is GonNa look at what weaknesses have. How would you play? I'll play like a plane in Europe. You must have a a a debt in half core execution you miss the you can get away with the BB L. Sometimes getting a bit loose and it going backwards forwards backwards forwards in Europe. See you get a lot more for bats alarm. I'm looking a key key elements in execution where we can achieve score. You know when you take a take a roster like we had just then you know But you know people like Lovie socal is GonNa get you there make sure hustle plays etcetera with Aleve Fraser. Do you give him the role of started straight away to bring in an extra five just to make sure that you can share the minutes that to be able to as the Goes on he gets better and better and better site. Every input I bring in is a is an excuse for my English guys will my British guys to get better. Every single practice every single competition value in every single round. We have to continue to improve sight to make you bring in to to Mayo Strengthened on that roster of foreign lives. And Bring in somebody extra for ob. Soco as a Combo God so you can maximize Jordan Williams as strange skills as well. He can stretch him out and with execution being a high key and lack of scouts in available. You can definitely definitely with at European manipulate Larry is like that. No urines and it was something con around my benches well and started putting some places on that. I'm pretty much Joe. My bags exactly lot. You sang a stretch. Big Soviet will neighbor Joan Williams. And Andy Thompson would probably be my old of those guys. Happy to step out if not for you know mid mid slow to step out to the three as well. I think that might be one of the benefits that you could see. The European obscene isn't using stretch big. Maybe as much as other leagues around the world. So that might be a way that you can. Provide a bondage. I'm jumping across the coaching side of things. This was something con about a thought behind my head. Took the list of the coaches know running down them and kind of oversee cross not once owned British. 'cause WE WANNA keep you'll British flying and I was trying to think where where'd you go the concern I had was? I think there's plenty of talent in British coaches in the league. Think sommes between two of different coach. I'm not to go into the names on them. But how important is it? Would you be tempted to jump across the continent and bringing a coach as go your Compo boss? Champions League experience again. How much different is it for coaching? Point of view on the British countries don't have experienced you not and that's one thing you really have to work on. The first thing I'm doing is I'm not just looking at one guy to run the Shar. If we got into a competition like this we have to have stars and stuff because you have Midway Games. You have travel. You have different things different players that you have to the costumer and be responsible for different tactics different ways to look at the game everything like that. You cannot run this as a one man band and try to be successful anymore because the level is just that too high you need stuff to be able to contribute Madison. Extremely good coaches that what that would benefit from having even if he isn't a head coach at the talk having somebody like an older guy come in and that she help you as an assistant lead assistant head associate head coach. The can help might team grow into that position. That's not a problem to even if it was a team director or something like that somebody that understands that processed because it is hard. I've done it that travel when everything was really stretches used off and you as well as trying to win and everything that you've also got compete the weekend back in the league and you must have an idea that you go to work differently than three seconds ahead. Undestand schedule better. You know workers over your strength and conditioning guys to be able to promote healthy bodies all the time because school the tactics. The most important thing is that you get seven. Eight nine guys as health is also on the floor to actually complete before you can do anything so. I just think you wouldn't so I'll be looking now. A Coaching Structure Coaching not to go in as well. Because that's that's GonNa be a major benefit moving forward because these one my neck's is no sign you conduit because that people ought to do it but they will burn out very quickly because it is a high especially when you don't understand what you're walking into the idea of maybe bringing in a veteran coach from the continent who's kind of had their career as it were that don't know they've done the head coach job maybe won and troy fees that happy they've achieved and then now happy to pass on some of that knowledge. That sounds pretty sensible mechanic. Get a coaching staff. Maybe primarily British young. I'm bringing on our had. An old European had to kind of guide them through those obstacles huddles and mental them through maybe one two seasons in European competition. That sounds it. Sounds like a logical way to go to keep con- promoting British this British aspect jump into the level of competition. Now obviously the baby gets hammered for Salaciously your bla-bla-bla what have enough of the negatives if they were to jump into European competition oversee we still to ride has tried to qualify for the boss. Which Humphries they dropped down to your cup. I think account remember but I think they ran the team the either one it will come second pretty close one of gangs in Europe Cup. How far away from a final foles in Europe cop you think? Bb L. team safe from LAS as any of the teams lines or rocks. Or how far away juicing? I would realistic. I think just like a lot of bricks possible We are in a great position where we're able to play thirty five minutes of any guys. I think British possible really even at the international level as well. When you go against some of the top guys even dies when when we had joan you pumps Stuff like that was the consistency. In the way we could play the Let you play in the last five minutes. You know these teams. We've seen it so many times before playing in Europe ourselves. You see it the you know we can. We can stay with you for for thirty five. Thirty six last four minutes is twenty eight in I and teams just put on an extra gear because also they have the recruitment do that not only that they have the knowledge to know how to how to strategize within the Games and to get what they want. You know they've got three or four actual plans to help a play and they execute to it and it's just the high level of execution you know. I remember seeing a guy I remember. Seeing a ride is game where they go. I think Serie took him apart. Within the first the first quarter it was a big shock. They relaxed let ride has come back a bit and then they blew up again so you know. There's there's different level gives I think was really must important is how yes we will constantly find a play for thirty five. Thirty six minutes may recruiting. Look into play looking for experience and not just going in for one year but for more as an investment because I want to know how we can play. I want Americans. I want imports. That can play. That lost five minutes and teach. Mike is as well as you know the stars how we can compete within the impairs periods. Because you know get sick safe you go into the Euro Cup. You get six games to qualify to the next round. And that's it. You know if you wanted to go to. The Champions League qualifies you to play two legs which is eighty minute game which is another completely different than you know. You've got different things. Some people home away home advantage is massive to away games etc. So it's just is learn how to execute when when the pressure is really on everybody's ready good at hanging around. But sometimes I always feel that the weaker teams the stars have to rely on to be bigoted. Everything has to go wrong for them instead. Rock for us. Connie your on so. That was a two fold so coaching and playing yes. They saw deer. Being competitive is final five minutes. How much would you assign that five minutes? The importance of the coach. And how much is it? You know play is it a fight with the BB our rosters. Maybe a bit too shallow. That we don't run the talent down to nine and ten. The some of the European teams might run that deep. How much do you kind of assign so the ability to coach or the depths of the roster the ability and the coaches understanding his guys? So you know who gonNA play early in the season as a little bit harder but you know who you can execute sometimes you know everybody says why you gotTA play everybody. But there's there's a process to everything. Can we live in a world? League lives in the world sometimes. Ten guys in tangles out received a new. Never get to see that much consistency going on. You never get to build so you don't actually know who by the time you figure them out they're gonNA get is sometimes. That's why haven't played with with specific skill sets knowing exactly what you're going to get and everything is the better trend to be within a European aspect because it's one game one game means everything you know. It's not like league where you're gonNA play each other four times or something like that and you could drop to guy to catch him back off and the head to head nod. This is when you go into Europe with all the other precious you have to win that game so you have to have more of an understanding of how you GonNa win to actually play that game so I think that's the biggest thing for me. I think it's a little bit coaching but is also recruits in in the right plan. That you bring in to be out to get that WIG. And Gymnast the K Then. It sounds like you'll sign rather than hedging your bets as a BB L. GM. You need to say okay. We're going to bring this guy and he's Pablo European of Benca. A European venture is going to be two three project. We're going to sign him for three years. You know we we know he's done it in Europe before shown that he can do it so if he can't it's it's awful his really because we're the ones way the common denominator for not working. It is that the case bringing inexperience guys. I've shown you know that don't need to prove themselves and bring them in on a three day as part of this great European Project for Club in the baby. I think sometimes you as well as so you have locals you have local guys that you know you could if they play well you can get two three years out of them and I enjoy it because why would you wanna leave you live in Harbin. Everything's good you're not in. You're playing a the highest level in Europe or one of the high levels in Europe then to me. It's a balance to me. What the imports to guys that want to move on and two guys that don't mind. WanNa stay little bit older so for me. You've got them hungry. Cats THAT WANNA FIGHT. You got them hungry cats at one. But you can't afford them because then you're not one day you're going to be fantastic mixed you're going you're all so you need that control of the Hunga and the experience and within them for players how do I relate that to the six British guys have blown you know so I can be competitive in practice understand that we can't practice as much so what we need to do. Is We need to take fifty minutes. Maximize fifty minutes and everybody has a role. I mean we've gone into as a coach in stem for. We'd gone into such a thing where we teach everybody to be great. We don't actually teach everybody to them and how they can find a way in the game so you lose broke class etc when you play in. Your role. Plays are extremely extremely important in because they have to sacrifice for themselves and the team but also be able to do a job to make your best players bet. Sorry that that's a me is very very important. When filled in a roster yet say yeah a suddenly sounds just trying to get my head around this little bit opened up. The question is an old British. Bb Roster being competitive in Europe. A we saying that to be competitive pretty much. We need imports. Is this what we signed? You don't think you could see an old British Ross to be competitive in Europe. Is that where we are at the moment? I think when you look at the NBA needs imports. I think what you look at the Euroleague at these imports. I think every league needs imports to strive to get better. I think you need to change the environment. I think you need to be not just example push shop but there's only so far where you have a trend of generations that come through so imports to me are extremely if you want to. Improve Your program. Even an elite junior level have been the mixture of people from different places a massive benefit anything. So I'm strongly. I'm strongly wave understanding that. Them imports here not to take away British talent but to the fullest British. To play harder so for me. The import is the most important thing. When you go into Europe because these guys of the guys that you had you you get these guys to play your guys at a high level so yet to make one hundred percent. I'm always entitled agreeance that Yes. I loved the fairytale story of playing just an old English roster I think if you're going to do that you have to look at Serbia and some places like that. Where mega leaks? But even then they still had a French kid and they run the young guys. I think if you did it with you. It's a little bit more but I don't think up off. Development is suited moment to European gained. So I think that's a very hard thing to do so for me now. I think you must use this instead of looking at a negative that would take away opportunities for British kits. We all giving them as we're actually giving them. The ability to perform a high level was in practice. And the guy who well and you just just trying to change your perspective. Now we oversee sit outside of that and you've from a coach's perspective you think. British players interpret imports. That way or do you think they currently see it as a threat for jobs. You THINK MICE. British players in the BBC would lie import number to go down instead of going up for the kind of tinker with it. So they have slotted gone up. Do you think my sprays. Plassey import is a threat that I see the positive. It's that they don't think they do. I mean I think that's very very close minded. I think if you ask people like George Williams and stuff like that. They would love to go against imports because it gives them okay. He's the best on the team. He's paid the most and stuff like that. I WanNa be like that I want to be paid like that. I think if you take that negative attitude than I wouldn't like you playing me Because you would just be a wind really if somebody's there to compete against the net being paid more money off Go out there and try and prove it for me so I yeah I just think that if you do come to that sort of That's a very toxic environment to be in so I would never celebrate that so I won't guys want to see that as the challenge and move on because at the end of the day the role reversal happens the away. You would never expect. Jolts is prime to play in the BB L. You want him to play in the NBA. You know so sometimes. We're having Ryan Richards back yet. Come on you want him to be playing at a high level. You want these other guys if you plan that high level. And then actually when they're here because the level suits for them and and the competition suits for them as well I think then you get the perfect balance. Some we know is it development. We know is elite in everything. The standard is very hard. Yeah it's interesting how the majority applies that you feel like the players that might not see why. I'll potentially the ones that may be on the right pasta fulfilling their potential anyway the point that I want to talk to Galveston. Kinda jump away from this. You Know Oh British. Bb Austin while. We're talking about Europe but just kind of jump into it. I'm you see other high high profile. European Leagues Lot Turkish League Spanish. Pretty much every team in the top tier in those countries and to Europe. I think that domains what European competition means. If I'm honest I dunno what you'll foresaw. I'd only really want talk top three or four from the BB L. to go through. Maybe like I say the top third of the League Max will. She'll motif the banner or should there be some kind of prestige to it. I should be I think. There's too many competitions at the moment to be so much prestige a it's not like we've in football. Is it that the champions? The Champions League needed to branch out. Because really if you only had the champions of each country the competitiveness is as you're gonna be there because really only two or three teams actually dominate football at the same time so you're always going to have the same winners when never going to expand on that. I think I think the league are stronger And I think you attract better players with more teams played in Europe And I think the overall the growth of it will continue to grow. We better start to me. I've got video with actually having teams. I like the Germany like the spine. I liked the league. Play a lot of teams of in European competition. I think now takes on to us to be able to put that to stop building and try and follow that trend and if not then put that trend into then your vision European competition is more about you know excelling developing and improving a program. It's not a not necessarily a reward for performing well the previous season it should be almost most teams in the BB L. Should want to be taking on Europe to further themselves as a commercial lab as a as a pathway as all of those concepts one hundred percent. I think I've always strives. I've always fi for everything within this country that if the BB L. had two or three teams and a couple of teams plan Champions League MVP Barbara Cup. Plus three or a selection of fifteen players also played in that league a different level and kids gonNA top fifty schools in the United States You know where they play a European contact like on Sagger etc. Whether still at the high level you will see a natural jump instantly in the ability to compete at the international level. We've on national team. And I just think the whole program and everything grows plus all the work you do as a as a federation to bring in a lot of players Young Young Age tables got spire to see. Oh I can actually do this. You know I I can actually make your career. I can play at the highest level and it's not dream have to leave heads do that so so me. Yes I think they completely not only just develops the game it develops business develops the whole thing because we want to excel and put yourself around the best in the country an upper countries and I just think I always had the belief that it doesn't matter who you walk round Madrid comes you watch him you know. I know we're a long way away from your league and stuff like that or a massive business ventures in London Club but hey from Madrid. Tom Does matter if it's possible football. Whatever you're actually going to go watch that so I just think there's a high high level value to that. Yeah I think you're I think we're alone weather way from that. It'd be great just to say one or two teams from the BBC. Every season in some form of European competition you know just not regular. It almost becomes an expectation within the league. It's no longer that's novel we've Seen Insane Gone Europe for you. Why another for another one. It seems to be like you know I if you WANNA win. The league the expectation is or whatever. You're going to Europe next year. It's no or would you like to know you're going to Europe next year. Not where we need to change that mindset my opinion. I think it's where it gives us the advantage you look over on wax lyrical about the NBA in Australia. But the problem is at of ceiling geographically. They don't have an you know a continental competition. I can necessarily jump into easily. Not We do in Europe and you'll now saying some of the Best Australian plays Nick. Kaya thing is the latest one leaving Australia. Does his dream was to play in Europe? He wants to play in European competition. Now we could do that but you said keep some of the best plaza. It's a long way down the line. They WANNA play in European competition at the highest level. Maybe they'd just below the NBA level build league instructor and a culture. The puts some in that place in country because ultimately say you find me a British Platt who would and ideally love to be playing. The levels of European competition full the hometown Kabul they hung country. I WANNA stay at home if they could right. Yeah I would because it would be the I would say the reason I go hunting European clubs the work 'cause because I want to work the highest level of in Europe. I want to be that and to me if I could do. That here. WoN'T GUARD. I won't go. You know I would stay here on completely work with many teams to be able to do that as a problem because they have that. I'm Bishen to do it I think right now with the Euroleague striving with such a financial budget ahead. You know. There's this opportunity for us to jump in that champion's league jumping that Phoebe you're cup because that's cheap away about she grow in the guy here instead of having to full cout. Millions upon millions citing is was a minimum ten million euro budget ago. Some some incredible. Or you don't have to pay that to go into the competitions and you know you structure your club One thing that makes me laugh as well with the parent than Bullshit. Wasn't the fans that we were trying to get in on them We understood that the fans they will come to the Games because they associated with it. We understand that the week Weekday Games We talkative very heavily. A business to get in to bring in to promote you know to put people amongst to to to share ideas with everything so who is to bring in to heavily recruit businesses to come in and have packages etc and that that way the fans would slowly come this. They see the success in start understanding more. You know what we were about Going back into Europe. Because I think we'd be Avatar once a Hainan. The Russian tea we have Jerusalem as well And Disorder Roussel to and then all of a sudden we're making a profit that season because you you're in foreign something people haven't seen in a long time. It was just a different way of doing it and I think this way you know got into Europe. You've got both business aspect and fan based aspect that you can walk on without rupturing the boats much and actually teach people how to be appalled. Boston Borgen Yeah. I know it comes down to with this European thing. It comes down just a culture shift with embossed room. Uk players coaches clubs fans governing bodies. The whole CONACO coach shift needs to take place for European boss full to become the norm to become you know part of a mid week for finance as European guy. That's part of mid week. Kind of you know they get polished from the MRS or whatever it is and you know family out the kids get to stout light whatever Coach shift needs to take place and fingers crossed it. Will things crossed. It will because I I. I'm very much like you You know just to wrap up the European Bosco is a must if we wanna see the BB L. boss win the UK Titan next step to be a more credible score within the economy ecosystems sport and they need to be competing in Europe consistently. You know we need to be seeing some of the best tonight. Maybe not the row. Madrid's of the Cisco's or you know the fun about chase right away with some of the more recognizable names coming across some light supply in the UK as well Yeah not good okay Well that wraps up our podcast for today Chris. Thank you so much once again for joining in this appointment takes a habit us in the league. You can get your own back in some time. Just Cross we're going to one of the back end of this week. If you've got any ideas or topics you want us to discuss few episodes. Please drop us an email. It's team at my take him DOT CO DOT UK but yeah. 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S2 Episode 27  Who is the best British starting five from the BBL?

Makem Takem

32:59 min | 2 years ago

S2 Episode 27 Who is the best British starting five from the BBL?

"Yeah. Welcome to your latest is stolen of make him. Take him. Once again, we're gonna steal thirty minutes of your life to talk about British boss cable, thankfully on joined by Christmas. Chris. Hey, Mark, how you sorta voice today menu. What I got. But very nice. But I'm still here fighting down that Libya with you. That's good. Right. I don't want done. What you guys they think the BBC's to be ramping up a few gays over the last few weeks online. Chris voice is giving us to talk about. We'll save Chris market through our questions today. But we're going to jump into question one to make the most of his voice while still hit. So the first question for you, Chris as what has coach Levin DA done in goals, and we apologize. If we miss pronounce his name, I've been trying to check how to pronounce it Online's things cross. We've got it. Right. Just missing your friend Jackson when you say. The most some onions Robin kind of good for me right now. Was done. I think what he's done is that she brought consistency. And ownership back to the for the to play. He saw it out defensively as well more consistency with defense. I think they've been playing style on the would they changed every week? There was nothing more that he was always playing to the game that he's playing against and he's not anti looking at himself. And and would never really got the group together where I think he's turned coaches done a great job of actually bringing them ten play together. Looking eighty of seeing how they best fit with each other matching not the game style, but who is going to need to compete against an individuals who've in the next game. And that she bring that team corroborate together. He's done. Fantastic. And as completely changed them that their effort that the pressures into lifted they've they've able to explore new new ventures there ever to explore different lineups. And it's brought ownership back to the team. And he's done a fantastic job. So far. Sandy had a ton around there. I'm the eight games before here. I've the rox were five and three which still isn't a bad record since he's been there. Seven one an unbelievable turnarounds for the rox. The obviously season flying up the table, no is expecting this. And I agree with you that this two things that you've said defensively, he's completely changed. The rocks to give you some of the stats before he arrived. They were conceding Eighty-six points a game since he's been there. Seventy eight points, again, shoot change. It is changing just as the players on the wood, which is okay, but you enable to influence intensity and stuff like that. To the only game. They've lost lost by two points to Sheffield. I think that was more of broken down than anything else because obviously share food on school sixty two points in that game. So the consistencies ride in the ways manage to bring chara the ways managed to bring in and out of the starting lineup to to boost not just is not about who you start with his how you finish. And how we're going to get these guys into the position to win. And he's done that really. Well. Here. The thing. I think I'm most impressed with is how he's on the plays to his side of things so quickly. They go into him what he's trying to achieve. You'll see mentioned woods. He's coaching style was constantly changing constantly moving things around for me. The difference you'd go a young coach and experienced coach when you're young coach. You don't have your philosophy. This is how I you know, this is how my teams play basketball. They sees my style of of boss cable now sometimes that's good. 'cause you don't always be dealt attain. The complaint you'll start a boss, but often that's bad because you go hunting for style. It works which I think, you know, from what you'll sang. It sounds like that's wall would coach with date, whereas lavonia has has come in. And actually said no this is how we're gonna play boss where we're going to stick to it. And we're gonna make sure that it works force. Stick to what the play is good too. I would joining get some people to do things that it was very uncomfortable for them. Where he was the money is actually he's actually looked to what he has an just balanced the floor of made them meta game easier for these guys made the shots. More open it and all of this is just perception of giving the responsibility back to the players is very different difficult. It was worked. I first time job. He's been an assistant for a very long time. But the difference the problem of being the system is your ways, right? And being the head coach. You're the wonder if you're the far in seats in that's a big step from sitting down to standing up on the sidelines. A massive step in a massive jump. And I think would has done a lot. But it's definitely shown the more the more experience. You are coming into this league. I think is better because you're able to see it for what it is. Instead of actually what you're trying to make the yen. I have issues of an eye-opener as well for some of the. Teams around the league because often coach situation is secondary to the players, which sounds crazy. But often as the coach is almost, you know, a secondary decision over what plans you recruit each some. Hopefully, this really does show the difference in bringing in the right coach make to the team. I'm looking at the rocks. Now, would you say they guaranteed a playoff spot? One hundred percent. I definitely guaranteed a playoff spot. And I think the way that work in. I think they've bet she with the six or five games left. They have to play. I think they've put themselves in a position to say. We're not only guarantee in our selves playoffs for guaranteeing ourselves at top-five, finish one of the one nine games home in Rome. I think that's rambled them even to four overtimes to do it. But it's Recco for them. But also, let's let's face it. Before he came four overtimes with never been questioned because the most character to win that game, you know, and Bristol had lots of fight, and they showed a lot of character within that to keep coming back at them and keep people with a game plan, and that's the sort of energy that they got now. So I think they put themselves in an excellent position. I think they're locking oversee for the playoffs. But I think they put themselves in a right position to grab that top-four spot. Yeah. I think that a chance to talk for I agree with you. I think that pretty much lock in for playoff positions. We're going to discuss kind of the ploughs a little bit later on. But I think realistically, it's maybe one more win than our six games that they're going to need surely. That's doable. One headache that they have given themselves. Now, though is he is obviously increased his market value. Massively coach Leon on the. You hope and I'm sure you know, Duncan smiley was was smart enough to offer him this. Interim coach's position with club option on a on a contract for next season. If he hasn't will, you know, we'll live on the next year. He's oversee turned of eastern shore around he shown what consistency is really ill. Be crazy not to take auction for next because he sees able to the one thing that's going to hurt whilst goes when they lose your jar of next season. And who's going to bring in the, but the good thing is no is a core flares together. He's he's turned a couple of plays into more consistency. They show the growth of maybe now they can show into next season. So hopefully, fingers crossed they will let she stay consistency that she built, but grass club working off the core. And on the court seem to show that character he really fits that profile. Yeah. Fingers crossed for for the rox fans that coach is there again next season seems to have got things going in the right direction for them moving on to our next question. The lines have been stuttering in recent weeks. I lost three of the last five games. Which is crazy to to say, you know, they lost the flies royals rock sold on the road. They face the eagles this weekend at home with a Cup of books. My question to Chris is was the lines. Eagles results. Are reminder of exactly how the lines. What was that who questions when it comes to Newcastle? Yes. I think what what is done is. They think that there'd be now there's another such as a bad loss at the end of the day. I've never seen a very good team. It is. When is the last time in sport you've seen the team going through a whole season when they haven't lost? It doesn't happen anymore ready because of the level of competitiveness. I think this game against new costs for them was just make the statement that these guys are getting too close. And now we have to stop it. And now we have to show out back to our character. And the way that we're going to go forward moving onto this. They played Bristol oversee and Bristol have everything to lose, you know, going into that game. To get into playoffs physicians mentioned were the same as well. Ause go to they met them on the run. So now them three losses for them was very good. Very good pushback has said look at yourselves a move forward against the high competition show in state that you are not this isn't over it's still in their hands. And they still can come away this season with two three trophies. You must fell the culpa box. It was a wake-up moment that London the game massively pumped for that one. They got out of the blocks every scoring thirty one points in the first quarter holding a fifteen point lead. You know, the new call. So then at the half ended extended out to twenty two. It was a statement of intent to say look don't don't sleep on us. We are still the best team in the league. You know, we we're hit to to win everything that we can just felt like a been a statement of intent for men looking for for the rest of their regular season now. So they've got six games left. They've got flying scorch is raiders Phoenix eagles at home as our eagles away. And as at home could they do you think they'll go on being for the rest of the season? Now lines. Corey got one more loss in there simply because of playoff fighting team that Bristol. I think shown a different restore taken an injection of wakeup juice over this last weekend and showed a lower character even with that hard-fought loss in in Grozny are still things to them. Even though it doesn't show this big win for them. Because it showing I think coach was asking for consistency and shown it so that's the team that they can lose to. I think they can maybe I dunno pushing forward maybe never in ten game with the riders. They wanna win that last game home as well. So maybe one out of the last few games that they can actually lose out of this. Yeah. I think I grieve with the thing. If they were to go the next six games without losing one. That would be a huge achievement for them. I agree with you. I think it'd be one of those last two games lose your way at eagles. Because like I say they lost three losses. We're all on the road. So potentially that's a bit of a banana skin any. No they're coming back to face the ride as that same weekend. I'm to finish this as now I'm not come back a little bit tired after the long road trip to Newcastle. So yeah, I think they'll probably win five of their lost their last six games, which again, that's a huge Zolt for the lines looking at both these teams egos as well. Do you think the eagles are top full finish this year? I still think that they have the roster revictimizes a couple of key guys Fletcher as long as they can play that balance with Fletcher the foul mothers with one of the Williams guys getting off that they're good enough to talk for Finnish semifinal position in the playoffs. But I think that's where there are more and more. And with that in mind, the second half of that little Poza for you is if it is just a top four finish they exit the semi final stage of the playoffs will new costs will see that as a good season for that. Hope because this is again three is the three three gap in this year. They if they win nothing again, then is something has to that has to be some sort of shake up there, especially going forward with this club. Yeah. I think so I think we'll see roster changes potentially in some with them. The other quick question. We game we book also both. These teams is how important is close out to the season. Now, regular season lines pretty much they've secured the Tyler few wins away from it but bar in America. They should take league title Newcastle. They're going to be fine for not top-four finish and getting home court in the first round. How important is momentum for them entering the playoffs? Now bigtime importance. I think a big statement if they take second position as well off of left. I think there's a very high statement for them. But they need the momentum. They can get they need the focus that they can get going forward because they're very one-star this. They can they go one way you, you know, exactly who you need to who you need to derail to get somebody out. You know to get them shaky again. So they need to find that consistency in their play right now when it comes to this point if that give themselves a chance to jump and take that playoff tile. The eagles are on a good roll before the game against lines. You know, they're on a five game winning streak before that twenty point loss to the lions. I agree with you. I think momentum is absolutely critical for both these teams because of how close is at the top you want to win at the playoffs with as much confidence as you possibly can. And I'll be honest we've talked about it quite a few times. We're gonna talk about playoffs in a second so excited for the plans to start now as going to be such a battle every game is going to be really well contested. So with that in mind, we're going to now jump to announce question as I said playoffs ridiculously tie question to you is how many wings will attain need to secure a playoff spot to give you some history behind this the eighth-place team last year was shocks eighteen wins the before fifteen wins. The scorch is in the year before that fourteen wins leads force just gives you a background of where the kind of ball has been sent. Where did you think you'll be this year? Games left. I think fifteen wins will get you a playoff position. I think going into what's left especially with some extremely interested in head to heads as well. Which is still down the line. You know, it will like Cheshire. There's a lot of teams that. With the head to head schools. I mean Bristol have a big opportunity as well. Especially to take over Plymouth because you know, they're the head against them Plymouth at the head to head against Manchester. But then at the same time mentioned at the head to head against Bristol. So then three games, I think fifteen is going to be enough because of those that head to head sort of jump. What's going to happen? Yeah. I I'm around the same fifteen. I think sixteen guarantees you that spot is so much the rice with the Premier League football rice to four points, secure she safety. I it's never really forty points. You could probably slip a little bit by the I think the same this year. Anyone gets to sixteen there in south Elisa, rock, some royals. That's one more win and the sharks. That's one more win each. And then it really does just become an absolute bun fight between Phoenix right is fly. Giants. The moment. Phoenix rate is a one win ahead of the flies and giants. He's going to you have a failing it could potentially come down to the final play the fun games of the season. I it would again, I just think. With these with that head to head clarification in tiebreakers that they have. You can't lose against anybody anymore to really give yourself an actual guaranteed to get into the playoffs. You just have to win. You have the win you games. You can't look at anybody else. You can't look at all. We're going to be this manipulate anything. No. You have to go into the games now consistency in the mindset to win to actually be able to get into this playoff system or jaw together nasty tie. In the first round interesting. You mentioned she one of the subcontinent questions. I've got for you as a coach if you've got a double header. So you're one of these teams battling. And you've got a double header so say on the Friday, not your plan to lines. And then on the Saturday. You've got a game against one of these teams that you're going up against is there any strategy that with the cost for the lines. Do you might say, okay. We're gonna lose two lines. We'll give them that win where rest some players so refresh for Saturday's game, which is more important to us. You know, he's a double double winner for us is that some of the show coaches. I you think I think it does go through coaches minds a little bit. I think it saying you don't wanna get people because you know, the importance of the next game before to this game. I think what you just try and find is consistency within your play. You don't chase the game. You take away the scoreboard. I would always be the Gardner takes away the school board and put into the mindset now as well is that we want to see us because that's what we're trying to be right now, if if we're anything than the last seven months of all the practice, and the old the older character-building and everything has to be shown within these last six games to get through to the playoffs. So don't chase the scoreboard against lions. Just put yourself in a position where to be ready for the next game against the next game against whoever we have to play this really, very important. You're right. It's difficult having to manage the players as well because they are going to have expectations. They're gonna have their game plans ahead. I'm not gonna throw myself on the floor for that Lewis books. Don't wanna get hurt because the game tomorrow night. Or on Sunday is a big game for us in the one here. Tough to manage that. But it is going to I think be absolutely cake to these teams about Ling our that they do manage that that they make sure they're all on the same page because you don't want some players going off to every game and then others resting Khanna pointless so inches. If any coaches tight that kind of mindset moving onto our next question. Bit more of a big picture question now in this season. Khanna spot is British play as Dubai probably more. So than any other season that we've had before in the baby L. So the question I sent for you. Now, we come into the back end of the season. You should have a good luck. Cadet? What is your best British baby L starting five for the season? Is very long to stay in London with this one because you know, twenty of them play actually their win two teams. So. So. I think I think God the voice is still believe that Justin Robinson is probably one of the best British caused there in the league point guard role. What he's done in the consistency in developing that team Vince that she shown. His unit is quality within this Leauge because of him as well. I think I can be probably Jordan spent. His season was really rapidly increased. He's playing for a winning team. He. He brought himself. He's able to bring himself out of his cage the game loops easier for him. And I think that's because of what the the involvement of Robinson and playing around very good players for the BB L. Then I was flip across the other London team with the two forwards within I think Ashley Hamilton has to be put out there as well. I think the way he's he's controlled himself comeback from injury showed his worth within the team shows how we can impact how hard he plays. And the ways brought himself conducted himself over the season. I think it's been excellent for them. I think he's a big if he goes missing something's missing Matt team as well. I think too with Murphy Brian manning, I think he has to be in their things sometimes as well. He puts his team on his shoulders and goes for it. He's done a great job moving forward the program. He's he's the belief in the the royals as well going forward. I think them for guys a really a really the standouts for me and the fifth guide for me when you look over the other teams, and it has to be within consist. Agency. I think is probably defy that showing us well that he deserves to be in that top five British waspy will play of the year you show, you planning real big bull. Then no small ones. Hopefully could make a jump shot. Cleaning up the bullets may go off to offensive. I agree with you in a huge amount Robinson absolutely impossible, not to take. You know, ultimately the best British point guard in the league. But probably the best point guard in the league, full stop. I've also agree with you Hamilton and Brian manning. I actually think that going on one two punch developed that kind of adds to select to them on a disagree with you on the other two in the back court that she select to Joshua. Just he seems to control a gain this year better than he has done in previous years. He seems to be more influential in con- addict tight in the flow. And I think alongside Robinson plans compliant the point you release Robinson's play to the to God a bit more as well. And then the other player off put in the front court small forward would be we'll be over Denby how to huge season in sorry this year. Just despite everything that's wrong in sorry. This year, he continues to keep producing, you know, a professional level and has had some huge performances. We've talked about what is next year hold for him. And that's one of the big things at some of the ad love to see what he's going to end up Alsaud of that the quandaries I had Spencer. Absolutely. He was on the verge of it. He probably lost out to wheel choose the valley. They wanna be loved it as well. Yeah. He's pretty much. He's out there with those down in Bristol as well. You know, it does in Bristol as well. I think the strong guide not necessarily the best two seasons. But I think you know impressive as well. And then the kind of the two two ma'am from coal punch for Sheffield, monster talk, just Pule consistency. You know, the not massive flair players not going to school you thirty points a game. And you know, but you know, what you're gonna get every game from them one of the questions. There's a few questions. I wanna ask you around this con- this subject in your mind. Does it matter whether they're kind of the bone and bread British as in, you know, the likes of Hamilton, Brian manning malls, and through and through Mr. Yorkshire, all is okay. If they're a bit new Brayshaw like tuck, and we'll cheer I still I went with just pure British. I think I think it's a good thing. I think it's a good thing if they can represent I think I've been really homegrown talent. You really have to get onto it. I builds everything these guys that come in the off Joe possible to everything I was in. They have to come in and increase the level because you're using the to book to make ourselves better. Just like sometimes they try with the national team. They you bring in Joe possible to make the level better. If you bring in Joe possible guide just to survive. I just don't think is anything, you know, that to be better than what we actually have. So to me that you guys have very very interesting is interesting component to give you the we where you all week, and like talk and show, we'll give you that. I think they she step up for them positions where sometimes but what we can give that performance just because they come into the game of a bit. More game understanding than such young. Then such a young player moving forward on the other hand, if you have a better level of coaching as well, you're able to take that risk on the younger player and making move into that role player situation like Mazda does so well for so so wealthy Shiffman. Yeah. I think I agree. The is kind of the old school kind of fail. The guys that have come through the schist down to stem. What boss when you came mean somewhat fight to ease to play basketball? When you you know, what I mean, these guys have had to fight met. Bo I'm Babington off the sports hose of the UK to get just any time at any time in front of a ring. So yeah, you kind of have a little bit more more of a an understanding appreciation. We'll go through to get that. The other area. I wanted to ask you an at and this is my favorite, the, you know, we seem to seen a rise in the level of bridge plaza level, you know, seems to increase this year, primarily due to what the royals of dumb. But it's fair to say that we've got a few great British players in the league. And then there's quite a big drop off below to the next level of British players. I think bringing the I think bringing in what the roles are done this year is that she shown you where we she standing reality with the British place that were already here, you seem very disappointing seasons in mile is from Thompson than a couple of hours that were already here for a long time. Also, what you do CS have volleyball play a lot Mazda is to any team. So this this what it's done is. I don't know if this is a gauge, but where we are where we need to be. And also said a gay just to say will actually if we do invest, we can get these kids come back, if we do investing coaching, you know, having the facility not listen that's wrong to say have it having the project to be able to introduce kids back into the system is the right thing to do the knowing thing for me within the BB L is the guys that go away and play. Professionally for ten years in other countries, Lebanese for over countries, they come back at thirty two. You don't see that as much as what we should be that she brings back so much wealth of intelligence, and everything that washy helped more as Lee grows really do believe that. Yeah. Yeah. You've already see it. When you do see those people become on my stand Bassett Oriole for the split the likes of our laws guy. You know, he's gonna conic status in a sport. Not just in Glasgow. Not just in Scotland, but the whole of the baby, and it really does bring something more to sports, I say, hopefully, we see more of that happening in the future. As well. Moving onto our final question. Now, I'm sure you thought we were going to ignore it. But the fact that we had to quadruple overtime games. This weekend wasn't something. We were gonna walk away from not have a discussion. However, we're not going to get into the details of the games the question. I have for you. Crissy's. How many times is too many times when the game's really bad when they keeps on going. I remember years ago. But we watched Brighton. I can't remember who it was. Maybe it was Darby and the game ended four overtimes. I think it was seventy two seventy five. Everybody's dying for the God miss the law shots. Go. Go on wishy saying please go we can't win this. Please just let's go hard. I think on a school fest like that game in Worcester. You want to see that keep on going one hundred fifty hundred fifty two competitive wise is great. I think that's the uniqueness of basketball. There's ever too much of it. I think it's great that you play to win. And there's no I don't see that. There's any of a Federal Way of dealing with them free froze or something like that. You just you know, I just think maybe all of the you play three possession game. If it goes to five overtimes who wins that that wins. Yeah. I've I've gone similar thing down here. I actually do have an of this question in my mind this post three overtimes, I'm out. I'm sorry. That's enough any boss game. Game. Need a fourth over time. It can mean a scoring it wants as lost sex appeal for me. I remember us down at the two for one of the NBA preseason games. It was nets wrapped his back in twenty eleven that went to triple overtime one six one seven was the final score in favor of the nets. And I remember being at the back end of that game thinking, I'm done. Now. I'm finished I've had enough being overweight or you can eat buffet. I'm I've literally Eytan everything possibly cannon on not gonna get any more enjoyment. If I any more, and that's why I felt it might have had the fact that I was also parked. My pocket is about to expire. So I was about scout hundred pound falling Veronica pocket that might have been in my mind as well. But for me, I think three times that I'm out. I'm absolutely I'm full icon. Can't eat no more. I she wrote down some ideas of of otherwise finishing games off golden point. If you have three overtimes over time his neck score wins. Let's take you by two primary school basketball when you need to finish the Chinese off. Let's go next next next kit. Wings summit like I score ten points in an overtime or go back to kind of straight boroughs to clear. Yeah. That can go on for time as well. You look at tiebreak in tennis. They don't go any shorter than overtimes. But yeah, I was very much a mindset one fifty two fifty coal because it's you know, I think it's the highest scoring game in the BB. I'm done. That's too long for me. I don't have the boss. I don't have that attention span. Very true forty minutes in quick game. If I that tension on cricket. Attention span them. Sorry. Is a good spectacle. At are. They when when the games play really well and good, but I agree with you the forest law. But. Is if. Is school fest is definitely telling me, go hard. Even now, even that rooks flies game one thirteen one eleven that's not enough points for for for sixty minute game. That's not enough points us for sure. Well that finishes off this week. We've run out of time. Thank you for tuning in. Thank you Chris for providing us with your amazing insight once again, thanks again. Thanks survive. Thanks for your voice as well. Actually, go better as apoe ran on. So maybe you just need to talk. Testing. 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Ep57: Which Brits would you like to see in the BBL?

Makem Takem

34:23 min | 1 year ago

Ep57: Which Brits would you like to see in the BBL?

"Welcome to make him Take Him Cup group stages at Ohio the BDO From that As well as another couple of question in today's episodes thankfully thankfully as usual. I'm joined by Christmas Chris. Hey Mark how you yes. Not True Bats in a weird way glad to see the end of the group stages. His starts testing games in the regular season. I'm kind of is upon us now. So go ahead about But it was also some other big news pretty much. The moment we stopped recording released a podcast last week. Cj Gatti's formerly of Cheshire Phoenix Fame. Signed with the Newcastle Casa legals. So the question I have of the back of this. Is this too big signings that we've had a my question is which big gets his two eagles or so coach alliant. Yeah well you see we get these. He's been in the League twice. Everybody knows what he's about a here. He's in better shape as well so I think that's going to to help him. Because you know in Checchi get away with having one or two possessions off not get up and down the floor appropriate. And he's able to do that in Utah so but uh-huh he's kind of light for me he's that he takes his time. He tries to look around. And then if it says the job here than take it so to me I think maybe the bigger one of the two is definitely over overcoming in London simply. Because you know this guy is a two-time two-time champions legal team etc but the one one thing that really interests me more with this. Is it puts at triangle back together. Would you with With the guard and Brandon. Peel as well with Justin moments in brand pills. So that's more of a a a big impact. I think the net she having getty's where in some ways when you look at Newcastle. I think as a little bit more problem than just adding getty's Getty's yeah. Do see where you're coming from. I agree with you. I think this is the interesting thing for me with. Cj Guess is he does look very different physically Cleveland when he was lost in the League he was carrying way too much weight when he first arrived and to be honest with the first couple of weeks in Cheshire. I'M NOT GONNA lie. You kinda looked him completely. Abbas death breath you know. He was struggling skipping out all things positive by he was just a big guy. 'cause he was seven he proved that so wrong. I'm unplayed some big games for them The thing I have is new costs will make the move. They released Joan Mitchell who was averaging fifteen points and ten rebounds. There's one point seven blocks per game. I understand potentially on a personality situation with some of the issues that had that again. These are just rumors And you're bringing a CJ gettys taste who has again just rumors but maybe not the most team focused mindset. And he's previous clubs. Does that make a smart move or oh I did have an impact from that. Yeah I think it's going to be an impact because it does not see this that the the logic of I understand now maybe they look in that they need size to compete. Because you know Ali Fraser this big this big guys in the league causing problems in the twins causing problems And maybe they're feeling they've got the they they need the backup within that position. Maybe be able to control but with him. He has to fit into that system. I think it's a bit easier for them to fit into a system now. Instead of the this mobile that Chechen will play before but he he needs to achieve go into that. Make an impact straight away because you are losing the guy that was very extremely you know doesn't matter what the what happens during the week but on gay nights he was very very influential in scored rebounded and stuff like that so houses. Getty's get into that squad and that she show himself because it's a great the opportunity for him now because he is struggling to find consistency to play Because of whatever people say but he definitely does have the talent to be be at this level higher is just whether now okay a mind alert. She'd take this seriously within some sort of way in that she'd be able to impact act. Because again you can make a very good three with the phone they put a very good lodge lineup Newcastle. He can bring stability to it. I just think it's in his mindset warns Yeah and I think that's the case. This really is a huge opportunity to get himself to say. You know what I can play in Taizhou contending team I can play in eighteen unit with the team. Philosophy Eagles will expect that that expecting to fit within the team not to be the focal point that you may have been previously so I think it ah huge opportunity if he can get his mind. Roy and jump into. That team equals the Gauls to so-called lines. The one thing I have in my mind looking at you know lovie joining that team is one phenomenal talent potential to be best player in the League. You know that's that's not debatable. That's based on. He's Kinda history a mafia another place that he's played but he's another frontcourt player and then not lacking talent in the Front Court with with Alan Jordan. We pay oh you now adding so co two it you flip to the back. Coal Robinson is relied on heavily over the same thing in Dang Coda. Who's doing a good job ten points? He's averaging double double digit points. You've got Romero Lockhart to walls the for me. These are good players. But he's a good support plans there no impact plays and not just one day. Is this weakness in the back. Coal going to override any benefit adding you know over to the front call. Brings I think so. He comes to the is a bit intangible as well because he does he does give that off He can offer except maybe three point shooting. He does offer that speed slash drive life matchup problem in the smaller. God's Etcetera He I think he has. He has more of a mindset. Is it's a different Hopefully he wants to continue to work on his Gaiman up progress and get further out again after what what's happened to him in the last six months comes comes to an end. It's just can he. I think he definitely has. The impact brings the back to the site. I think may taken off the drive. He's more explosive. He can kind of play and smoother three men role but you are right. They do need some mm sort of outside scoring maybe some sort of scorn. That doesn't involve the dribble luck shooter or something because everything is based on at the moment running gun all around on pill To be able to make up they will make it easier. Robinson you do see that spent this Jordan Spence Lachey. He was that factor that we're able to get get the ball out of Robinson's hands. So yes I do agree that London as good as I will be within the team. Maybe they just need one more extra scoring God and yeah and the one thing that you pointed out that I think could be the game changer for the MS run and gun. I think this team you run something like you know Robinson Peo- Allen Jordan of your Soco Dying Koto as your five. Wow you guys can get out run. You've got some pace you've got athletes assume you've got fitness. You really have a dynamic team. And there's no reason they con- look too much run for forty minutes and just put pressure on the other team that again have to play transition defense for forty forty minutes. It's going to be an extended if they do exceptionally exciting brand of Oscar to watch But it really is. You know sugar shy in the sense of you is the win games by by a ton or you're gonNA come on really really quickly and be hung out to dry. Yeah it's ugly with ugly to have the you have a little from white defensively to get points yields have offensive rebounds for him to get extra points extra possessions so you can never going to really see the extra blowout. I just think there was going to be A. It's just GonNa Watch that team struggle. Sometimes you know and there's going to be that feeling between the Group of why we struggling so much so there's GonNa be a lot of work it's not just it's not destroying their everything. Be Great again. I mean that's that's the case because you know they you see where eh good and you see how they can be good but it's just if they can actually get it together as a group okay so back to the question itself which is big taste eagles or soccer to the lions. I'm flipping this on you now ultimately when she's bigger is going to be decided by where these teams finishing the League so so in your mind with these additions these must be coming close to the last changes that we're GONNA Sienese rosters. Is it lines. Eagles are GONNA finish high. I think at the moment lines will finish her. Okay so you're fine lines. Yeah I was thinking about. This is one of these questions. I don't WanNa while all these because I'm going to talk. They don't have. I still have too many concerns about the back court for lines. If I'm honest review I think if get down to get down to get to know so will perform a big producer in lions but I think gets his can produce a eagles. That's a bigger difference prince to them. So Yeah I've pretend to go against the Eagles Code Finish High than than lions but to flip this to these arrivals for both of these teams guaranteed him a top four finish no guarantees of anything cut. I think what it does. Do it. CHANGES THEIR POFF now. Now they have to work works because you can see you've seen within the BB L. Cup structure. You know. I still think that the problem will be deeper than Getty's for Newcastle. I still think there's a lot of get this the Guaranteed just because you're out into well-known plays live in such a fact. I think there's still so much for them to be doing. Okay okay. I think I forget his inside coat. Because it's to shop in the air that we call predicts carrio jump concussions coverage to jump onto. I'll second question Obviously we've now finished the group stages of the B. B. O.. Cut We moved to the knockout stages. Is this weekend coming up on the quarterfinals. A wolves versus Eagles Reuters. Lions Royals Phoenix shocks flyers Unfortunately don't have A bracket in the true sense of the words But what do you think is going to happen in these quarter-finals the question is who's coming out with the wins. I think I'm looking can fool of that cheats watching this was new CASA game with the two new big schools Nova cf gettys and a male Williams is coming into worcester who you see. See who you see missing big that she derived a little bit offensively for them. and bought Lebed's inconsistency in your you call so but what I like about. The whole competition is finally seeing this north versus south. You know actually happening and and I think maybe to me when he looked down the list the one team and especially after what. We saw this weekend with Glasgow. Cheshire it is I think the Chechen we're GONNA struggle with size against Rose S. That's actually probably a maybe a clear done by unless Chechen hit shots but the other three ties. I'm not sure whichever way these ones who I mean because you have lester as well. They're still rebuilding. I I think may be. Maybe they've got the edge London so far but Sheffield Bristol size against size. If you can control the if you can control the Gods be in Bristol for Sheffield then a that could be an actually a very interesting. Yeah No I. I agree with you the one that jumps out to me is definitely that Wolves Eagles game and like you said I off the. I think it's one. That's probably closest contestant partake. Now get his his coming into the into the eagles roster I presume he'll be playing I'm in that game against wolves. That's the only game I see going against seed I see. WHO's taking the road in Worcester? If I'm honest are just think they'll they'll just just have too much And his experience in Eagles roster that will see them through that a quarter final. The pressure starts to ramp up a one and done Situation and so I think the Eagles go above out of that I see Roy is beaten lines. I'm frustrated the other NC lovie. Soco plan that quarter-final as far as I'm aware I think they're saving into the regular season even though he's trained with the team for a week now so I don't understand why he's not playing I think Royal's Phoenix again. I think it was in Cheshire more of a chance but being down on in London. I think that's tougher And Sharks flies same thing I think if you take into Bristol ought to give him flies more of a chance but they're just too inconsistent. I contacted one of the guys in Bristol. Front office knows just like you killing me every time. I think you've got it together up about you and then you end up getting blown out by thirty points. Don't understand what's going on So you know. I think they're a little bit confused by what was going on as well If I'm completely honest but yeah I think Reid is rose and sharks were win the only upset for me is probably GonNa be gross versus wolves. Yeah so yeah okay I see that's and then for the north as well. I just think I this definitely the great. That's a a great match up there. I would like to see seem worcester versus Sheffield as well because a balanced pretty good but i. That obviously isn't the case now. But you're you're right against Bristol again you you you feel like they have the ability to beach. Ethel's no doubt if they play very well. Traveling away from home inconsistencies. Just short all the time so I think with Leicester Too. I think Lester a growing better. They've even more time now to even get together as a group with them play for so long so yeah. I think we've out of the worst of new costs one on just can't tell. Yeah that's that's probably the biggest one. That's that's the one that's going to be In the balance and that might come down to Chroma sation that first question go impact does get his house straight off the block dizzy. Come in and actually contract fifteen points ten fifteen rebounds because he has the potential to do that we've seen it previously or does he. You know struggle to fit entertain ethos so that might be well that comes down to. I'm looking at they. Start down to eight teams now in the Bill Kopp. We've seen these teams. Where do we think we all now with Gaza who you think is a favor over for taking the Cup as as a as a title I think still? I still think the royals sitting out there has probably favorites to take the cup because the united their rosters shape has been the same all the way through. You see what happens when you take out the deliverance twins. They will lose or they get it. They take element from that game. I just think that right now. It's still for me. The royals have that age in in going forward. Yeah I think thing. Yeah I think you're right to have that really. Bugs me is the Reuters May Not I don't WanNa say that favorites because I don't think they've played anywhere near potential potential. But I'm also been burned enough times to know that you don't say Reuters on in with a chance of winning something just yeah. There's a nagging something in the back of my head that goes maybe is going to gradually slowly but surely develop rogue closer to that potential for me. They finished top of their group and then nowhere near playing the boss. Well we know that the them individually and then as a team could play so just think maybe by the time we get into January. One is fun so is Ron is might be flying very true very too you can see. I like the match up to when when it comes to London. Because you've got Robinson Against Cartwright Right which is a very good matchup. They're caught right. It's definitely for them. Neck their guide that can go through Campell Keith. Nelson the active on the boards But together as a team you just never bet against them because they do have the experience they have that women Tabiti within the club and I just think I think the further they go on the hotter is debate against them. Because you know on the Big Game Day. They're actually going to pull something out of the back. Yeah I think so it's Like say a crazy man. Bets against the Roy is anywhere near that potential than I think. You know the silverware silverware coming at some point in the season for the Roy. Okay moving onto the next question. I'm again this kind of stems off. All the high excitement about seeing ob so code joined the the Lions and kind of question boiling in minds about British playas coming back to play in the BB l.. And you know we're starting to see some hi. It's Alan Bridge plays complain the BB L.. So the question I put out she soaker arriving at lines which other Brits would you like to see in the BB. I put a caveat though. Be Realistic Yeah what else. You can't say I haven't been with my of course you like to see Cavanna rather than everything like that but if you're talking about this state you have to look on where where the BB L. is right now to have people like to Vail. Joe was still around round even play such as Luke Nelson Miles Hessen Etcetera. You would want them in this league but the League con hold them and also it will never the growth of British basketball so these guys have to stay out for us to be able to improve the players when you look on Europe bosquet etcetera. Yea British players playing abroad in two hundred and fifty names. Come up to me. One of the matches South Bucci which is still four years older than the ABA so there's tongue-in-cheek into what you read but then when you look down on the list of the League's etcetera and you have to ask yourself because for me me. I was thinking that it would be great. Having plays like kings of their core in the League Teddy Oke Afo. You Know Devon vanished from coming back from injury because you know especially with the state of the League at the moment having that stability to unite to play within the Gods Accenture furrow Ryan Martinez. Well excetera tre plays like this and what one question for you for changes. The reason is is is the reason they don't come back. Is it simply because there is snow. Highest Standard No high European standard coming into the league. Because if it's amazing dancers the money's not that Kalonzo for me is that the BB L. can't compete with the wages. You know the some of the League's that playing in I don't necessarily think the league's they're playing you know actually that much higher standard ended the BB l.. Yeah if I'm on that she died today But it's just the finance. Will you take a look things. Glorify you know at the moment every the APP each player in lip gold is getting thousand pounds a thousand euros a month share car etc the standards of the kind of the same. I mean other players come with a price tag like five six thousand to their name. I understand that but I I really believe as well as because there's no direction till the way we are able people to set out as the League of how we can actually play within European competition and I think if that was there will be much more of a you know idealist. The deal is thing that you can actually bring them back because one thing that we do I think in this country we let them go to easy and we have no way for them to come back so we're always on a double edge sword. Oh Yeah No. Yeah I kinda know what you mean you know. You've heard other people. But for Steve Nelson who used to play it was in the club club. We kinda grew up with a you said it about Luke Nelson that you never wants to see him play in the BB l.. You know that was coming in made and it's damning it it it Kinda makes you angry at first and frustrated what Steve said but then you honest back and go. Yeah I understand that you know I can fully understand the if you end up in the BB L. in means things haven't gone right for you. The problem problem. You've got as we now. Pretend you know I feel the BB L. Performance wise issues but performance wise. You see the level may be raising a little bit. And that's what we need to do. We need to take the the BB L. to a standard where it's not seen as an insult to go back to the and it's showing you know as much as some wrong richards is is a good player. He's gone to other leagues. And you know shut lights out been phenomenal. He's not posting massive numbers in the baby. Oh He's not just decimating saying with Matthew amounting Washington else can post massive numbers into Bebo in so it shows that the standards there this kind of brand image to the players that the B. B. O.. has is is. It's somewhere if I end up that things have gone wrong or it's just I want to be back at home with my family or you know negative connotations necessarily and you just hug the B. B. O.. Move in a different direction and I agree with you fully is do we expect to be be able to be a fun of this nation for the best British players. No no that would be sad. The final destination has to the NBA. You know that's why these plans Wanna be even the guys in your elite to a certain degree they won't be contracts in the NBA. That's where they'd love to go. Are you look what he's doing. Now that's that's what we should do is looking so straight model because look how the Australia is now becoming a direct feed for the NBA. Yea and it's working because oil starting big players want to play in the NBA NBA in Australia because they know the Australian scouts are GonNa be AH sorry. NBA Scouts are going to go straight to watch. They're going to be them potential to get into the to the big show it is just a a major mind mindset instead shift that we asked to come over here because you have you have a structure hit that could actually what you have to. You have a talent base. Okay we do have to to work on you know coaching coaching standard etc but That's not impossible to I. Just think that too many times we we live in the mindset where everything is just better abroad. That's it but we've not enough. People are going over to find out because these players will come back Consi- I think isn't gravy. Every club that Iraq too but having call we to accept your Ben Lawson played in Japan it just you know. I think it's very sad. That is the case that we're unable to attract money or some ways but another thing. That's really disappointed. In a way that that we never ever tracked the players that are at the end of their careers to come back so we never get that knowledge base we never get that You would never ever the public- Dan clock have the plane in the beyond to me. That's a sad thing in a little white because all that experience that wealth of everything can to entrust an inject back into the league ideas the way people to it. You know more business like I've been around three or four these arenas in in the UK all all of them have social business clubs up there. All of them can do more to provide for finance but it seems like you stuck with the mindset the community mindset inset bic's so I think so many resources being undone but if we're able to bring back plays the have this experience bring back coaches that have this experience and actually try and build a brand ourselves. I just I can't see I can't see how else am this the mindset. It changed how we often the challenge in so many points that you just raised. I agree with and primarily the list of players. I go in front of me in prepping for these. Poke poke costs and guys in the back into that career. And I'd love to see them call. Johnson played in played for. GBP's he's he's he's Planning Isler. Ah You telling me. Iceland is a better league than the BB L. is probably more physical watching Watching them play that pretty hard core. But he's PLA- why why we don't bring him back into the baby. I agree with you. Hessen's probably three full years away from maybe being brought back him but imagine from Brum Right. He's from Birmingham so much. Bring him back. In launching a franchise in Birmingham for back fit offering an ownership opportunity potentially in Birmingham franchise sites to three years. Tom On this is all planned. We're going to a franchise we want you to play two three seasons for us for a minority share and a long term job as whatever he wants. Is it business side playing. We saw some in Congress. Bring these guys back in you know we talked about Joe Freeman down a scorched yesterday. Doesn't sound like he's going to be putting on the schools jazzy. But he wants to be involved. Ah He's loved being rejected again. This is GonNa that is played over one hundred fifty games in the NBA. You know he's played for some of the biggest things in Europe. He's last GIG. League was a Cisco Moscow. I didn't particularly go well for him. The champion Yeah. He's thirty two years old playing basketball but living in the UK. This this is crazy. The you know the the still at the stage where these guys won't come back for may be B. L. should be from eighteen to saint twenty two and then from the age of thirty thirty to thirty six. Yes then the in between bit we want them to go to your league team to the NBA. That's you know we should accept that is career trajectory of all brought aww stars. So how'd we you know the key is. How do we build a league that Dasa and it comes from the various I culture of you know you see now as well with other kids being insent Juku where they don't have any idea this this no strategic planning of maybe put him into Europe etc.? I understand education is a is a thing but also these these days in education. You can do a lot of line this experiences this everything that you can get the best out of a kid where where they say possible isn't for. Everybody Needs Education Asian. Everybody and people have to find a different way so I there is just to a different shift. I I have seen no of in England possible one thing I do see is which was a very big surprise me when I went to an aspire thing is the amount of twelve thirteen big kids. Big Kids now are actually starting to play. Play the game so now instead of light would joe you catch him at sixteen seventeen and you get a shorter period of time. Now you're able to influence more so if you're influencing listen kids at such a younger age and you have a very good professional league or a good professional league with standards going into Europe. You can see Dr Reaction then. Somebody's is going to grab onto that and take it but now like you say if it's a disappointment to play in this league then you have no hope going forward unless that mindset that stuff so yeah no again. Don't necessarily have the onces but you just feel that something has to change that we have to lock say. Make the A. B. B. L. More appealing. The one thing I would say is with the likes of Andrew Sullivan coming back and playing in the league. Justin Robinson you do feel that things are starting to create a plan perceptions exceptions British plant perceptions and starting to change. Obviously we see Matthew Brandon Manning and Ashley Hamilton coming back. Maybe not the best experience for them. They're back in the league. We've seen Andrew Lawrence comeback in this season. These are all good kinda green shoots. The League may be perceptually changing with the British players that may be the seas actually an opportunity Shunichi to come in and give some like betty as my boss will critter to the BB l. into help further things in enhanced because ultimately the import players a more likely to be transient implant seasonal too. And they gone you know whereas you could see if royals can build around Andrew Lawrence. He can be that franchise plan for for quite a few years now. And that's how you build a fan base so many kind of mutual benefits for the player and for the club to keep these players in late. You just you you love to see it develop into that kind of behemoth do you think is becoming more appealing for British Plaza at the moment or might just wishing it to no I think it's because the generation to laze they revenge Lawrence of being around a coupla them and their thinking. Oh He's now in the League etc so you know there's obviously this is. There's a buzz in their heads. But you know I still think that level competition some of these guys may be a better and I think sometimes more deep down with something most of them is the level of competition because a lot of them would always say of course. I want to come home but nobody allows me to be into that the clubs etc.. Don't allow me to to not think a different way. You know. I struggle struggle with that for a very long time. After my time Worcester. I wanted to leave because you could never see an and it hasn't even going back into Worcester. Maybe a couple of it's it's amazing. How many things have changed? But it's amazing. How many things of state exactly the same within mindset? So you know the problems they still exist that were there twenty years years ago and I think sometimes regeneration and different ideas no shave etc but getting more boss capable people in these guys coming back and helping witness out JOE coming back to help us out allowing us to change your standards housing. This really can actually be up to change the game in the future. Yeah and and like you say it needs to be a proactive effort I like is at the BB L. have turned round and obviously they've changed their salary cap situation. I don't know the exact details but is it. I think it's the top one or two British basketball players. The highest British possible players in each team Dunk Council. Is the salary cap. I think that's a great who've only one that's going to impact the few teams. You know you talk about halfway down and below then not. They're not challenging the salary cap at the moment it doesn't necessarily inform them. I know a lot of the solutions. Come for money you know. That's that's the League doesn't have the clubs necessarily have but something long on time if the League can become financially successful maybe essentially contract plays. You know what I mean the League having list of play saying okay. These fifteen plays if view sign any of these players. We will contribute X. amount per month to their salary a ton. The League requires access to these plans for photo shoots shoot some oxygen and Blah Blah Blah. All this stuff of a centralist is okay. Visa Key player that we think we can hang have league on really market all linked link to GP appearances essentially contract. He plays like you have with cricket rugby where you know. We contacted them. Essentially so they'll play for the national team as well I I think things. Obviously this is down the line. The League's nowhere near turning over the condom money. Could you know it needs to do that. I think those kind of things inst- needs to be put in place in the long term because this League Cup was seen that seen it as they complain about what they don't have but personally to to me they just don't fully maximize what they actually do and what they can actually attain. So you know everybody's people are in arena. Now you know but you still see big gaping holes you know. It doesn't matter with with rob less the hit changes team. But the way Leicester riders play. They play that way. So the on court battles there now. How do you get more money into the building? That's it's a different thing and then you look at teams Manchester that will just coexist with no identity at the moment. So why would you want to support them just because they're the local team etc.. Come on a you have teams in London. I I hear that they charge twenty five dollars a ticket I mean and they wonder why there's nobody sitting in there because what you would you offer into this so so there's a lot of different things that definitely needs to change but I like the fact that the better English players are coming back and support that because something you know we we have to continue to grow this game. Yeah made to make to not completely agree with you for the likes of Robinson Lawrence. In my opinion you know in my mind and the stock has risen massively because they've given something back to British boss Kabul with regards to the domestic league. You know that when they retire I will hold them in much higher esteem esteem than I would have done if they hadn't come back and put some you know put some seasons into the British possible league and that's you hope the other British place see that understand the you know the kind of iconic legendary status because that is important supplies and they respected and they kind of leave some kind of legacy that's going GonNa be increased if they come back into the an and help British people. We have talked talked and talked on that last question on that question. Do you know what I didn't even like my last question. So so we can scratch that one. Another Day But yes so we. We've blown through this week's episode at Chris. Thank you so much for your thoughts. Thank thank you for having me. Thanks again next week. You definitely thank you guys at home as well for listening in. I'm also a heads up. I'm killing myself at the moment trying to bring a con a new addition to our podcast output. In might be this week. It might take me a little bit longer. But it's a fun little project it'd be a different look than we've done previously obviously fingers crossed. We can bring you that outside of that. Though as as we'll be back next week with the usual make him take him discussion until you have a good one

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S2 Episode 21  Whos favourite for the MVP race?

Makem Takem

30:39 min | 2 years ago

S2 Episode 21 Whos favourite for the MVP race?

"The. Welcome to another episode of make him take. We've just finished off the international, Greg. So we'll dog into that a little bit. But before that will go through as usual as well. I'm joined by Chris once again, high Chris Calloway, very good. I think we both have to apologize for the light Pocock six week Rio. Boss, cable jobs, going the way it is. Quite literally, they literally did you had plenty of coaching to and just go back up from London doing the well qualifies. But we get back into the fun stuff of make him. Take him now. Okay. So we're going to jump straight into the games. I so the first question will look at that. And the question half the oversee GBD's make it through the beat Israel by thirty seven the Austria by three it wasn't enough. They needed to be destroyed by more than that. They'll now go onto Feis Kossovo in Luxembourg in the threat. The third round of the prequalify as unquestioned is what challenges GB have beating Kossovo Luxembourg. Well, you've got a very things with performed the problem is I see is the win will lose dominance escort development. Okay. Individually talented. We we have enough to be everybody. We had enough to be Australia. We gave a little bit too much respect for one guy Austria put into the free throw line too many times. But the squad development in the whole thing is enough to beat teams like Kosovo Luxembourg. They've already lost once to Luxembourg once in a qualifies back. I think this squad they have now even with limitations is strong enough to overpower them, the gaming Kossovo, probably be difficult as a hostile crowd there and everything like this Luxembourg if you don't take them for granted. I think that's going to be another NADA twenty point win within within. If we play the way we need to play. And if we get to business quicker, but I really think Shane though this weekend. What in that third quarter against Austria? We made some very bad decisions in transitional thing in just into international vase available. You know, we got the steel we turnover on the two one instead of slowing down, and they come back and hit the instant three, and that sort of thing you can't get away with in international basketball. So my my my ideas is women go back into this November. We've got to be ready to we got to be ready to understand the squad that we put together an actually how we're going to move forward because they've won three games in a row now, which has been a long time since that happened under the competition there this GB promise. What you have great foundation to start going forward. Again. Instead of always looking back on what it was. I think that we are strong enough to get through the next part and qualify for Europe. Rosty? Oh, I have no doubt that we have the talent light, you say, Vince, the off-court distractions and once again on the eve of all of these qualifies more stories break about how there's no money a an assistant coach paying for his own flights to Australia all these kind of stories, which don't oversee help the situation stories that needs to be in the public domain, and we need to understand what's going on. But they do cause issues as well. I think you know, as much as you say, don't take Luxembourg too easy. If we've done I think is pretty embarrassing. They lost by four team. Eight should bring I before people when Alexa, boat both home and away. If no that's a major signal to we've got serious even series issues when we thought costs, I think are huge challenge primarily. Because they've got Barisha dog Berisha is a phenomenal guard. He's not athlete is not overly quick. But he's one of the brides goings, the you know, I've seen play reads the game. Well, he's pure clutch. So it comes down to big plays. I mean manages the hidden time off the time. I think we will win. I think it potentially could come down to the head to head. I think we'll probably win in the UK and maybe lose in Kosovo over narrow winning also. But it might come down to that head to head by the biggest bodies is our athleticism annoy that Kanazawa the game going to outplay the cost of sound fundamentals that they have. I think yet I think you seeing that as little example was well, we played Australia with one guy kinda dominating is like taking all your opinion of and sometimes instead of at she value in them. I think we gave too much value to them instead of value to ourselves. I think for for able to maybe balance, I you know, your way it's going to get that squad together a week before. And hopefully with no, injuries, etc. Build on that. It'll be very interesting as well to see if next time if somebody lied big we Williams who will leave college will be able to come into that sort of environment as well as he's playing very, well, you get more dominant. Big. I wonder if Nelson we'll be able to come out of an environment as well, hopefully being a bit more fit. So I think if you look in forward coming into these next couple of games is what we're going to have how we're going play. And what we're gonna do. I mean, we made some errors against as saucers were trapped in the ball in the middle of the core. Go into aggressive not guide in thing. But that's all traits. You know, that's how we wanna play. It's just not the aggression because smartness is there and the speed on the break you execute or you go to pull it out because every possession counts them, try to hand them can be work. But you've got to look at it as the squad selection every single time. More more. What needs to be done, obviously within off the court more than technically on the court and being able to establish that just that rhythm going forward is such a shame that they turn their backs on on funding from TV and different different avenue rights when everybody knows this always been the case that the everybody knows that money is the problem. But still you keep on talking about the problem. So within the federation right for us. We saying this. But within the federation the first excuses, they give whether it's no money and the stand that, but that's probably the same for everybody. It doesn't matter. How much money you have always been the Moore's what you do with your sources, and what basketball is shown to be do in the past is when you take business trip flights when you do have the money. It shows your intention of way, you need to be next. Yeah. And I agree with you. I think huge issues financial the gall. So that focusing on the playing side games actually might play into the hands a little bit y'all talked about. Finding that unit in coming together. The games all come across affected two week window in August. So I I am a way to also on the seventh of August. And they lost games away to Luxembourg in twenty festival. Some that unity a not time together that my actually plan to GB's hands a little bit more. That is depends which cubs. They you know, you could also factor. The the high the club they less than needed at that time of the year, you know, different different than lease. They start September preseason training today star August, so you will win windows there, which you have to look at when you structure in this going forward, and who you select. Depends on club, qualifications, etc. For leagues everything like that. But this definitely the best time to actually get that unity in and see if you can build that group from that. Okay. Fine O'Connell wrap up on. This question is how confident are you that gbi will make it to the the qualifies proper fear of? I'm very confident that we have enough to make the qualifies especially in such sharing the second phase. And I still believe they could have done it in the first time out. Watching the game against stray United. There was definitely a chance to win it in that game. And maybe just decision making and learning needs to be evaluated for this. These things don't happen again in the next next. And I'm pretty comfortable myself as well. I think you know, Kosovo's a huge challenge. Get me wrong. But I think we can win. It might be that we don't win every game. We do Australia it and ultimately when a head to head with Kossovo. But if we don't was casing are. We don't make it through. How damaging is that British possible that we won't even be given the chance to qualify. Your of this very just plateaus. Would it does it stops e -bility to keep pushing on these people's does make decisions, you know, you gotta keep the pressure up. Good to keep in the highest level of competition. If you want to be shown to be successful United. You have to continue continue to push continue to drive to show the inaugural go away, and that we are actually here, and we do need funding because there is something within the sport. And if that level if the highest level is always demonstrated at the highest level good things will always come. Okay. We'll move onto a next question. And we'll jump back to the domestic. And the second question for you as an his primarily Jewish the fact that we haven't spoken about them for ages because it just been doing what do should we be talking about the London lines mall? I think yes, I think also natural progression will do because everybody coming into the season ago. They're going to start off good and then slack out again. Like most seasons. Before they drift off or tire loss. I think now personally they've earned the right to be spoke about a little bit more because they seem like they're just not willing to go anywhere. You know, you Jordan Spencer play very well. At the moment you Justin Rose and leading efficiency winning percentage. You you got tap. This very exciting to watch you go good Joe inside. And they're making very hard for you not to stand up and actually say any year this team it deserves. I like it because he's earned the respect to the of the league this year. So yeah, I think I think it's better that we're not force ourselves. Because I think the some teams that the force ourselves to talk about them because it's the way it is whether these guys just naturally progressed and now they're in a perfect position where they could actually win all four trophies this season. Yeah. And this thing, you know, we're we talking about and because just consistent we called awake off the week. There's no control. There's no blips that moment. They don't have a high turnover of plas- damage tweet during the week with the gods to comb sation about, you know, more than you saying that lines our lock in for the baby L tide raises a point the need to lose it game that drags ROY straight back into it. And we'll probably take it to the last game of the season. And then he says, you know, Donald's ROY flea mentioned London City royals and says, you know, they've still play lines twice and that's a game. So I still see them as lock him. I completely honest. I think it really is massively for them to throw away the league. Now, particularly how they're playing. How do you feel? I feel that given this that I have on the school prevented any type of injuries is really with them is really as well as talented is really at. She matched only by the royals right now. I think less don't. Less to have very good players. But then together, I think that's always going to be the fault for them. And I think yes, let's puts less to right back in it. But also, you don't have the guarantee that Lester is going to win every week now because they that unsecurity inside them where really when you look at it the two teams from the capital. So the only ones that from the capital, the only ones going straightforward at the moment and in one direction, there's no yoyo with them or anything like this is it now will walk into the end of the season. So for me, I don't think less than we have the catch out because I still see to issue losses in them. Maybe within the league state because they can get turned over by other teams. But the two hundred teams right now really the ones that are in poll position and just because them six losses. The. The capitals the roles. Road. You're naturally. Think about it as. Mistakes things. Well. Yes. With the roles the two most the too much consistent play at teams going forward. Not just consistently with talent. But also in culture and both of them are going to be very exciting to watch coming down, the straight. Oh, yeah. Don't get me wrong. You know, he's going to be an exciting finish the season. A an again as great to say that just struggle to see lions ultimately coming away with the win one thing. I wanted to the cross you see what you site. I think most people that listen to make him take him before know, what my opinion will be on this news earlier this week that London lines actually for the contract to liangelo. Bo. One. Is that a good idea and to how lucky he didn't accept it led? They didn't accept it. Because hey, BB doesn't need any more media circus. If you're trying to set itself, I mean places when you can take that because they've gotten establish league with this high understanding of what's going on. And they can see the difference between what and they understand a money. Influx is good for that lake. I think one that to happen again. No, they're doing. They wanna let that thing happen again. They they've done. We've it they they now have that water coming from there, which is a purist in the world or whatever and everything's marketed by don't think that will have a I just think we've in the league like this trying to develop it self and achy stand above move into Europe and stuff like that that type of money doesn't need to happen here right now, you know, that type of public- that type of this doesn't need to happen like this because it's kind of the we need to sell selves in the standard. This highest is exactly the same with the international. We need to show that you standards, a higher you need to set your own standards and just running for money isn't really the case. And I think they probably don't you the bullet more than any. Else? I think so. Ultimately, I think he probably is level. It could play in the BBC. We're not questioning that is just all the other garbage. It comes with him. How one is London lines going to deal with lavar ball screaming on the sideline sent? I'm a coach Vince on this on that on the other. And then what are the gonna do when Volvo starts criticizing and the laying in to the league because he does everywhere he goes, that's the only way he gets press is through the garbage disputes out of his mouth. Whether it's true whether even believes it on all is highly questionable. But he's the be strong enough of path organiz ation to rebut anything he says against them. Probably not. I think if he turned up it would, of course. Silence damage to London lions chances of winning doing a clean sweep winning any silverware and Boston with the country who stop me to just think it takes away the professionalism of that she what you're trying to grow. I think sometimes in the scope of people looking into basketball in this country. They don't understand that this profession. They still on the understanding of. Participation is very good. Some a lot of people looking into the sport. I think as we need to get over that and show the where we wanna lead in this. So taking the money for money say it's just not that would have been personally a disaster for me. Yeah. I've just glad we dodged that bullet couple of things with goes to the lions before we move onto the next question firstly, they've played five games. Some other teams in the league one is going to cause an issue and to last initial with the gods to venue, having move some of that games sportstalk at you EL impact is that have on. It could have a beginning new cost of when the mood the Rainer to move while two at she wind. I just hope I think always the specialty with damn to gods applying very well at the moment the rival to control control that the the white they play hopefully, they can just for them. They can just just just just just move into another gym in there. I to officiency where they go into when out of injury would worry. But that's the only thing I can see that will actually change the balance of these guys moving forward. I just think that just a bit too much together to let. Could be the little thing. That's always going to upset you. But I think maybe this is this just happened to Newcastle because I think Newcastle have problems. But I don't think there's problems within this sets are I think it should just hopefully normal transition the five games behind denting every looking at that. I think they looking at game to game. I think they've got a more professional judge on that. And just take every day as it comes. I think the thing is speed bump in the road. And I think the teams around them will say as a bonus for them 'cause potentially could it could trip the lines up. Don't think it's going to thinks I massively but throwing any unknown into the makes makes the talk rice a little bit more exciting white to say what happens at the back of that. Soak about how's this show middle to third question? London City royals play double header weekend this weekend. And he's a Friday Sunday is the Saturday. Head on the road on Sunday to play Cheshire Phoenix at five thirty off the having played Plymouth at home on seven thirty in the Saturday. Does this give Cheshire Trump's upset royals? It does with the pace. I don't think. If it was if it was the around, I wouldn't like Cheches John's is of winning in London. I think the chance that they have a winning against this team is because it isn't Cheshire narrator if they're able to influence tempo on them. I think it might make them struggle for bit. By think together, they're also coming off of a two week break as well. So these first games back. I just think I had just you just slowing inconsistent to where you walk into a consistent power right now that does keep on getting stronger, the UT that team does continue to get grown. The you know, you can tell that these guys know each other and like each other as well, I just think that override empower is the ability to actually win them type of weekends. Yeah. I agree with you. I think the one of the reasons this question comes up is the Cheshire bay of beat royals loss time they were in Chechen back in October. They won by twelve on that day. But the royals are such different outfit. Now compared to what they were back. Then. Juicing Voyles will rely on that kind of big hitters old. You think is depth of their bench that will win them through this weekend. I think it's the debt for the bench. But they always know that they have, you know, I think it's definitely the depth of their bench is the ability to rotate, but it's also the confidence the know the NBA gives them the the extra hostile that Matthew Brian at the actually Hamilton gives them, it's the extra speed. The gods are able to produce different tempo employees. I think they've got different aspects within the arrival to I think it's not just plan. I with them. They got a couple of different game plans and give different styles of play. And then they were always able to find energy for themselves. So the that just more unique them more complete. I think if they the thing is if you pull on Cheshire, I think they're crack where these guys you're gonna have to pull them three or four times before they crack, and I don't think that Cheshire of the ability to do that. So. I think for me. The interesting dynamic comes out the fat planned Plymouth on the Saturday. Yes. It's a home. Appreciate us a massive for the for the royals. But the right is a good outfit that strong negative challenge in. They don't have huge amounts of debt. They've obviously made an interesting Sonning this week. We weren't going to that. I'm not necessarily sure I agree with signing apply that you released because I had drug problems. I'm second chance for everyone. Wonderful. But I'm not sure that sends out the right messages, if I'm completely honest, but the playing against the Plymouth rightous team a strong the off quite good matchups when it comes to the starting five or even six plays rally for Plymouth. So I think that's potentially going to give them a challenge. I think the Sunday game comes down to can't Cheshire Stein touching distance. If Chechen stay within single digits of them through to the second offer, the full cool too. I think fatigue will plan issue and Chechen half. Fly power that. Yeah. I think so too is making shots isn't it was been the same with Cheshire is making shots in volume of offense that they can create can they can they create more possessions than the other team and. 'cause they're officiency oversee in score is very high because they they're very quick. The average score in every eight seconds in that team which kind of is benefits them to get off to a quick stop. But it hurts the later on in the game because then able to run their that shot clock bit, more and tie. It. A whole teams out when they got big leads. They seem sometimes not to slow the game down a bit. And let teams back in it because you missing instead of actually taking shots missing. So. This this team. They we've we've London they've got enough to actually break that down. So I think as well they've got enough as well to stop Wiltshire and crew as well we Plymouth because they're able I think I think the last couple of games Plymouth for show is if you if you talk show, I think it gets for difficult for a set orientated team that shoe offerings because the come through that point guard play. So with this team, I think this which onto that I think goblet gave him a very good hint. The last time we used to play them as well. I think they're bit more aggressive than Plymouth as well. So I think this could be a very this is if this is a double headed win this weekend. I think it's a major statement of their intent they're looking for a top three position. We've in the final standings. Yeah. Think such I think if. Come out with both wins. It shows resilience be the we want really one hundred sites showroom before. So it could be a big statement from the rose this weekend. Moving onto a final question of this week's podcast jumping to a bit more of a long-term view. Now, we're oversleep roundabout hallway just I've a halfway through the seats on. I'm gonna post this question to you who is your favorite for the seasons. MVP rice. You gotta stop with the winning teams. That's the way things. Awesome times oversee Justin Robinson as I think. He's better this season than it was law season and winning that title. He's more complete is a team player. He showed more leadership with this group. I think he's actually being style here for these guys moving forward, I think because of his excellent play as well as plays like children's fence to add she move forward and come into his own terms because he's got the Royal ability in possession role is understanding of role where he is. So in one way, you look at Spencer's. Well, but also you have to credit yet credit Robinson. For understanding his role on the floor making everything better. You look into the side. You got Matthew Brian man in his policy? Big numbers will season. He's playing tough is making that team tick. I think creates a different dynamic and everything this. I think they don't very well, but my favorite, and I know, you know, you can find that the not other tall and stuff like that. But my favorite would just a percentage in what he puts on his back every night. And he is a true caliber of MVP because he puts up MVP numbers stuff that the bureau hasn't seen in years is really Willie Clayton. Anybody that can continuously do twenty and twenty on the team that shouldn't be winning this winning? If you look at it on paper and actually change the dynamic of the program to me he is flat out leader in that race. Yeah. It's one of those. I agree with you really client has to be the favourite for it. Just on cheer outputs. Unbelievable Statses putting up in the way that he does it and he's against everything. He's not just putting out light shoe doubts against week teams an ambassador against good teams and that levels outlet. Good stats. He's being consistent against every team pretty much. He plays against I do have a concern that he's not playing for winning team. Agenda. Why there's this nagging thing that sits on my shoulders going to MVP. You know, they they need to be a team that's doing something. But I kind of reduce a little bit agree with you. Some of the other guys you've mentioned Robinson. I'm not sure does it make it more difficult that he wanted loss. Jaso back in VP trophies does that make little bit difficult for us to awarded to Robinson. And then the other one as the other one I wanted to pick your brains his Howie critically scoring MVP race. Can you have an MVP? That's doing other things just know scoring is you valuable player the whole. Yes. Score in Portland. But I grew gameplay is how you is not just when I look at an MVP of a league is that she being great at something, you know, being great at just of dynamics as well because you're much valuable players the person that you can't take countless with this. That's really the whole thing. This not just because you good night here night that now you if I take this guy out of team, it ain't going to click, and I think with the ones that we put forward a few to if ame- within that situation if you take out them replies of each team. I think is going to be. A difficult tonight. So with my version of Evie P for me, I think is always the guy that if he's not there is going to go wrong. And I think every everyone of them has that characteristic. Agree with you go at least in front of me tab Robinson, Moses, eagle's, NBA, royals Tyler school, shows Williams and Alexander shocks. You know, you take them out teams. And they collapsed. The thing I have is an is one thing. Like, I do not to Clayton is at the moment oversee we still got that way to go is it most valuable player in the league. So this actively the best player in the league. Now, sometimes you do get players on lesser teams. And that's not being derogatory to Manchester because I think if normal this year while they're doing that. So yes of note being rude to them, but you sometimes get plays on lesser teams that rival to produce massive stats 'cause the boys in the hands. There's no one else rebounding for the boat. They're on the point guard. That's on the court for eight minutes a game, you know, that in a lesser team enables you to build those stats. However, I think if you took Clayton and stuck him on any of the talk teams he'd still be producing big numbers that will probably be their best. Plath me too. I think he is he's gonna fit in anywhere because this unrelenting effort to go get it, you know, tonight. She played tough to be United spark in him, which keeps him above the rest. And really he's the reason why team this to two semifinals that shouldn't have got to semi finals more than likely never team that you don't wanna meet in the playoffs. Because if he has a great game. Yeah. He can really upset you, you know. So if you're the number two or three seed, and they finish off having the play you you don't really wanna play them because they can actually upset you like this. So going forward is he's just being the consistent apple in the whole basket weave everything and he's actually raised the game on these raises not only his teammates levels. But he's raised the levels of the Lee as well by putting stats out there that we haven't seen in a while. Certainly has you know, he's putting impressive numbers across the board. So yeah, I think we're by the grade as a stance for us Clayton sits the top of the tree of the Gauls MVP rice, still plenty of game to go and things can change people can make a move move full that. But what we'll do is. We'll let that rep is up hit this week. We've talked plenty to for this week's episode of make him take him. Thank you for listening in. We hope to enjoy basketball ramblings. Thanks Chris for joining me. Before we leave just wanted to give a little shout out to James, Gordon. They one of the behind the scenes people over at Manchester. He's leaving the club. I think at the end of this week in the next couple of days. He has been an absolute massive attributes that cups by consumer few times is Shane that. He's leaving Bosco really understands it. He gets how to build a commercial structure for possible team a hug to see him back in boss capable in the very near future. I think it's a shame. When we see people that have his skill set. And he's ability leave the sports thing is cross James that we see you back involved in Boston in some guys in the future. We'll be back next week with even more boss chat. But until then you guys have a good week. And we'll see you.

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In Concert: Carolina Chocolate Drops / Catherine Russell / Jon Batiste

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In Concert: Carolina Chocolate Drops / Catherine Russell / Jon Batiste

"From whyy in Philadelphia. I'm terry gross with fresh air. Happy New Year today. We continue our series of the interviews featuring staff picks from the decade that just ended with some of our favorite live performances. I are session with the Carolina chocolate drops featuring rhiannon giddens. They brought their fiddles banjos bones and jug to perform songs from the black string band tradition. After that it's our performance by Katherine Russell. Who Sang backup for steely? Dan and David Bowie before starting her own Solo career specializing in early jazz songs will conclude with John Batiste bandleader the late show with Stephen Colbert. He joined us at the piano to play sing and show us a bit of how he does what he does or can slide. They can cry Happy New Year and happy new decade today. We continue continuer end of the decade series featuring staff picks from the twenty tens or whatever we call that decade today some of our favorite studio concerts that we recorded over the last ten years I up is the Carolina chocolate drops a group that follows in the tradition of black string bands from the nineteen twenties and thirties. They all. We'll play a variety of instruments including Fiddle Guitar Banjo and bones. We recorded this interview in twenty ten. When the chocolate drops consisted of Dom Fleming's Justin Robinson and ran in Giddens? Only Giddens is still with the chocolate drops and all three have gone on to have solo careers. We started the concert with them performing forming. Your baby ain't sweet like mine. A talking about the one with the Swedish. Nobody's baby Cain Rolihlahla. Malak my baby Jake and and what to do even call baby all my babies. Oh Man Yeah in my. It's not just what to do. He the book. Now go along along the baby DOE Sweetie Sweet Fantastic the Carolina chocolate drops. Who chose that song and why oh? That was a song that I chose. That was A piece that was originally recorded by Filming Papa Charlie Charlie Jackson who was a a Six String Banjo player out of New Orleans and I just really liked the number and a lot of his numbers aren't performed anymore more. So that was one that I've kept my repertoire for quite a while string bands are usually considered a white southern tradition. And Your Band of African American musicians decisions and you've found a black string band tradition that you feel part of but did you fall in love with this music before you knew that there was a black string band tradition. Yep absolutely yeah what did what did you fall in love with about it. Well I fell in love with the the rhythm I I was a contra dance. Aaron scored answer and I just a was seduced by the Banjo. The rhythm of the Claw Hammer Banjo that just really pulled me in. And then then I found out about the history and then I went. Oh this is really deep and then it just Kinda I was done I was done for then. You know it was that was it so whoa discovering this music and falling in love with it without knowing. There was an african-american Dick Traditions did. Did you feel like maybe you weren't supposed to like get you know maybe you would never fit in with it. Maybe there wouldn't be a place for you. People think you are odd to to gravitate toward the music will definitely the odd thing. That's a definite just because they're at any any black person who's involved in folk folk music scene anywhere knows that they're it's either. They've been just the one of them or maybe someone else and I think That's how I was in Phoenix. I would I was the only black person but I was. Also the only person that was under like forty. The scene in Phoenix. I was in but but I just kind of clout on myself and I know just in had a very similar story I am learn. I just forgot the question weird. Yeah so yeah. We're all really familiar with being a black person. Yeah I guess I guess for me it was sort of. I didn't didn't have the same thing with the age thing because it was certainly lots of people when I started playing in Chapel Hill on there are certainly lots of people around my age doing it but I certainly was the only black the person at the time doing it but that was not gonNa stop me. I mean I think is characteristic of all of us Is that we were sort of misfits you might want. You might say in our own rights When we grew up so doing something just because it wasn't cool? Oh because you weren't supposed to. We certainly not any strange into that. Yeah I was sort of used to it because I was after I graduated from college. I really got into like Scottish music so I was always getting you know so you know how come you're the music you know and so I was just kind of used to that so it didn't really. I just kind of just kept on going just like Justin was saying how come you're playing that Kinda Museum. Oh I just liked it Yeah I mean there's really nothing more than that where you were already used to not being cool too because I mean you sang opera before that's Pretty quickly yeah. Part of the TR- tricky aspect of string band. Music is part out of its roots are in minstrel shows. Part of its roots are in black face and so it gets really Kinda complicated when you go back to the early history of that music So I wonder how what it was what it's been like for you to negotiate that aspect of the music and to deal with separating being the music itself from some of the stereotypes that were foisted on the musicians who played it. Think something that we have the the as a new generation of player in the old time music that we we're educated and and we're approaching the music nick At at at a emotional distanced that just has not been there in earlier generations before you you look back at those aspects of history and people just would say. Don't touch that. That's that's the worst stuff in the world and that's what's ruining the world and now in in this generation we're able to actually start piecing those things apart just because You know we wanna take take the benefits and also try to make which ride or see See what actually happened or or what was misappropriate or what was good because the thing about a lot of the black string band end. Music is not much of the music. was put down on recording. And that's a very essential part of understanding black music is hearing it and In delving into it you find some things that are offputting but at the same time you gotta think in in the context of the past and in the context of the president and that and that's been I think that's been something in the African American community that's been it's not something that we've done very much is looking back back you know. It's it's really been a forward push for lots of different reasons. And Don was saying that I think we are one of the first generations who I mean. There's still a lot outta stuff that's you know needs to be fixed and there's a lot of people that are still you know in in bad situations but I think as a whole one of the first generations and the African American community that has been able to look back without personally being as touched by it. You know like our parents. They went through the civil rights movement. They you know they went through all of these things and they're they're really personally wrapped up into a lot of this stuff whereas we're of a generation where we can we can. We're getting it through filtered through our parents and our grandparents and that we can step back and go okay so what can we glean from this. And what can we take from some of this really painful stuff that you know we might WanNa just kicked under the rug. What can we take from it? That it's the good stuff you know a lot of our early African American history. You know there's a lot of bad stuff in there but You know there's a lot of good stuff too. I mean the minstrel shows and the stereotyping and that's all clearly very bad but there's a lot of great music and dance and there's a lot of black musicians in dancers who who persevered through the stereotype and who were able to show their their skill and they're entertaining and they were able to do that. And so what we can. We can take the good stuff from that now. I think along with knowing that there was bad stuff now now dumb Among the instruments. Yes you play or four string banjo bones and jug so you actually use like animal bones or are they in one hand I do have Do have a cow bones and in my the hand I carry would bones. But that's just a that's a sound thing. Get the cow bones for us. A red cow bones are lissette. Our cows like the cavs have the best bones for percussion or they have big bones and the does the that makes the best like you know you. Can't you can't use the little ribs. Is that you see in you know you're a SM- the smaller pork ribs and the barbecue shack or anything you have to have the big Texas longhorn like bones and and I haven't made any myself. I've been fortunate that people have given me different bone JR and It's a it's a pretty It's a pretty intense process. But I've heard different ways to do it One Fila told me that you can put it next to ant hill and then throw it on the roof for a week. Gosh the Anthoussa to eat off the meat. Yeah because I mean you gotta remember when you got these these gigantic gigantic bones that have all the meat and the fat on it and you gotta get all that off and the two ways of found. Is that put an ant hill and the other one is is is boil it in water for a couple of days and I heard that that's a that's a an awful thing to have in house and Once you get the meat eat and stuff off and then you have to either bake them in an oven and throw them on the roof or or You know just dry them out and wants wants to dry you. Could you cut the bone down because at first there gigantic you cut those bones down you sand him and then you you can put a lacquer on it or lacquer or you know whatever you WanNa do after that to make him look Nice. I'd like to ask you to perform another song and the song is trouble in your mind before you play it for us Tell us why you chose it and what you love about the song. This is one that Justin was playing the reminded him in one day at a jam that he played it and it's a piece from a an album called music from the lost provinces put old hat records and it. It's just a nice breakdown and we just started doing it okay. Let's hear it uh-huh Head to head so you don't get something you don't get he don't trump uh-huh gala mind. You tell if you vote to go watch probably don't get troubling him. I don't get troubling. That was the Carolina chocolate. Trump's doing trouble in your mind recorded in twenty ten on fresh air. If you enjoyed that we also have solo performances and interviews with Dom Fleming's and Ryan and Giddens which you can find on our new fresh air archive site that's at fresh air archive dot org coming up a concert with one of my favorite contemporary jazz singers Catherine Russell this is fresh air support for this podcast and the following message come from the American Jewish World Service US working together for more than thirty years to build a more just and equitable world learn more at age. Aws Dot Org next. We have a performance comments by a singer who I consider it one of the best jazz and blues singers around Katherine Russell. A lot of the material she does dates back to the nineteen thirties and forties her. Her Father Luis Russell was a pianist. Composer and arranger and worked as Louis Armstrong's music director in the mid forties. Her mother Carleen Ray Ray performed with the all women's band. The international sweethearts of Rhythm Katherine Russell Came To our Studio and twenty twelve when she released her album. Strictly Glee romancing. She was accompanied by guitarist. Matt Munis Terry. They started with the song under the spell of the blues. which was an early hit for Ella Fitzgerald when she she was with the Chick Webb Orchestra? they head to the sky. When you pass by but would I want you cry because Ma Autism it goes Laura? It's okay Eh. Pretending each day alone. And under the sparrow since we're apart John Brings only heartache to me Oh they say satisfy no use to I Hey what goes on inside. It's true Ma since whereab- don brains only hot aches a You say satisfied used to Nancy is true. Thank you so much for performing that that's Katherine Russell. So sing in our studio accompanied by met UNICEF Terrie on Guitar. Thank you so much Soviet. I Love Your Voice so much I love a lot of early jazz and pop and and one of the things I love about your work is that you love that music and you bring it to life in such a such a beautiful and committed way thank you very much And you know you know the language of I think a lot of singers. Don't have the right rhythm when when they sing old songs that 'cause they grew up with rock and they just I just don't feel a jazz rhythm but you grew up with gas. I grew up with Jasmine. I grew up with rock to I grew up with blues. I grew up with classical. My mother had signal radio in the kitchen when I was growing up. And we used to listen to William B Williams make believe ballroom on W. Anytime. AM every morning morning. I was listening to Allah the mills. Brothers Steve Lawrence Andy Gourmet. Judy Garland Peggy Lee everything that was popular of the day. which and before that? So that was Late fifties early sixties now. So that really kind of formed my appreciation appreciation of phrasing of how the the people sang these tunes in those days. So I always you know was in the mirror with a toothbrush when I was a little girl. Trying sing these songs now. I grew up with that radio station too because my parents listen to it and I I hated it then I because I wanted to hear rock and roll. Yeah and but you grew up with parents who were jazz performers. You know your father. The late Louis Russell was Louis Armstrong's music director for a while. Your your mother sang with the international sweethearts of rhythm to which is an all women jazz band and so did the fact that that they loved the music Bring the musical live for you. Yes my dad's Music with some of the first music I ever heard in the House scrolling up and my mother was so happy that I kind of took to it. You know when I was very little because I'd like to dance and I love swing and So yes I would say say that their appreciation of traditional and different types of jazz kind of formed my young ears. They determined to get you to love the music. Did they play you things things and hope that you would love it. No they you know. Mom played a lot of different things so she's happy that I did but she also so let me listen to things that she didn't particularly like I grew up in American bandstand. So if there were groups on their she never told me. Turn that stuff off. I hate it. Never she always always let me. Listen To my led Zeppelin records loud. She let me know so. She got me Little Stereo when I had you know the kind that you pick up and I had that in my room when I was growing up. And she never said turn that down. I hate it this is terrible. She always let me listen to everything. I wanted to listen to well. I'm GonNa ask you to perform another song and this is called. Wake up and live and I love this song. I was not familiar with it until you sang. Tell us why you chose it. This is another song that I actually Heard when I was growing up I remember this It's as written by Mack. Gordon and Harry Harry reveal and. I hope I'm pronouncing that correctly. I remember that from the radio as well so I think that William B Williams played that one also and on the Chick Webb. That's also from this chick Webb collection. It's vocal trio on that collection and I remember that recording very faintly. Not when I was little and cab calloway also recorded got it. So I loved his version. Two and It just reminds me that I have to really do something with my life. You know I like to sleep late and everything so this is this is a good song. I'm from me and I should mention that Gordon. The lyricist for the song also wrote the lyrics for Chattanooga Choo Choo. I had the craziest dream I see you and there will never be another. You and Harry revel wrote there's a low in my life. I shook great song. Oh Yeah Beautiful. So let's let's do. Yeah the wake up and live. Don't mind the rainy pattern and you'll find it's my over matter dark. Clouds will break up. If you just wake up and live. Yeah wake up and live. Show the stuff in Beta data. Just follow through. What are you afraid of? You'll try it won't you. Why don't you wake up and live? Komati Shell Shell. Hey Phalle fine your place in the Sun Say just be aww live is lady. Luck is yawning. House Day is dawning. Don't let them get up and Show you you say just awake locked in today's I just can't shake up is do yeah. That was great. Thank you both so much. That's Katherine Russell. Singing with met Munis featured on guitar. So let's talk about your first regular Giga New York. I should mention you were a backup singer before you became a soloist for many years. Yeah but one one of your first regular jobs maybe your first regular job up was a catcher rising star a comedy club in New York. Were you saying When the checks were being given out really noisy and when there was a US famous comedian testing out a new routine? Nobody no none of the other must want follow the would kind of sync right in between to break it up a bit. Yeah so it wasn't necessarily going to be your crowd because they're crowded camps to see comedy nut not music. What songs one over for for the crowd how it was a fifteen minute slot for everybody? So comedian singer. There are few of us that sang and So I chose soul soul and blues so I would sing three songs and the first song would be kind of an UPTEMPO soul tune the second one would be blues or some kind of a ballad. Alad like You know read the Franklin And then the third one would be UPTEMPO tune and they would show. I wouldn't finish the tune tune so the band would kind of keep playing and I'd say good night everybody you know and leave the stage and so really After whatever comedian was on the Zinger they announce the singer and the people would go. You could hear it in the ground so not only. Weren't they my audience. But you know it would take a tune or to to kind of have them say all right she can sing. You know it's it's okay. And then they would go back to tallying up their checks Katherine Russell and Matt Munis Dairy Gary Recorded in two thousand twelve. Russell released a new album and twenty nineteen called alone together on which municipally also plays guitar answers as music director. Coming up we feature performance an interview with pianist. John Batiste the bandleader for the late. Show with Stephen Colbert. But before we get to that let's get in one more song from Russell. Immunised Aries fresh air performance. This is everything's been done before. Louis Armstrong recorded this. When Katherine Russell's Father Luis Russell was Azzam strengths music director? You're everything been done before to share a kiss a moment's bliss and here you spike. You love me sweetheart. It's thrills older hills but it's to me everything's been done before on the birds. Sing the song of Spring always singing above love me something to me Range we hate chain from what is trying though. Go to the Yet it all seems and everything's been done before to fall in love with stars above began with Adam and Ooh with you just do what's been that's Katherine Russell. And and Matt Munis Dairy stick around for John Batiste right after a short break. This is fresh air support for. NPR comes from Newman's own foundation working into nourish the common good by donating all profits from Newman's own food products to charitable organizations that seek to make the world a better place. More information is available at Newman's own foundation dot org. If you WANNA get smart on the economy and just ten minutes a day. Try The indicator we use. Data to. Debunk debunk common. Myths about millennials. And we looked at Coachella for lessons about the global economy that is NPR's the indicator from planet money. Listen now this week. We're looking back on the decade that just ended and listening back to some of our favorite interviews of the past ten years today or featuring some of our favorite performances. Our final one today is with pianist. John Batiste the music director at the late. Show with Stephen Colbert where he leads his band. Stay human when Batiste grew up in Kenner Louisiana just outside of New Orleans and as part of one of the foremost music families in that region. He started playing with the family band when he was eight. He played drums back then when he was seventeen. He moved to New York to attend juilliard. We recorded this interview in twenty eighteen. When Batiste East released his album? Hollywood Africans we started with a track from it an original call. Kiner Boogie John not welcome to fresh air. I really love your playing and I'm so grateful to you for being at the the piano so i. This is a really corny dumb question to ask a pianist. I know but how do you do it. How do like on Kenner Boogie that we just heard? How do you coordinate? The left and right has they're doing such different things and what they're doing so complex can you. Can you break down what each hand is doing absolutely and can you include some of those really like rumbling left hand chords as you've got going on there. You got to thank you as I think. The the the great thing about piano is that you can create eight this rhythmic momentum. And it propels you. It's like a drum but you also have tones so what I'm doing in my left hand is really recreating. The rhythm section effect of having a base in a drama. And maybe even a Barry sags down there tune in Rootin- uh UH goodness go Or doing something like Like you might have fats domino little Richard doing in in Just really keeping that going down there so while I got that happening in my right hand. I'm screaming I'm willing. I'm trying to figure out a way to make you feel what it is that I feel and I can do do that. In many different ways I can slide cry and I can even do a little bit of dance dance. There's one more time and and some of the left hand playing that you have going on and that track is really kind of rumbling. Can do some of the cords that you've included in a competition Asian Wall sometimes the emotion overwhelms you and you have to growl in this something. That of kind of developed my left hand that I really love when I get that feeling feeling. This is like a growl of ally in this. So I'll be playing you know NASA I was talking about so you know you put them all together in in the Gumbo you put everything in the pot and in the moment you just fly you know after after you make your one hundred Vatu Gumbo you get a feel for where to place these things and it's not really contrived just as the spirit in a moment that let you follow so you grew up in Louisiana near New Orleans in Kenner what were some of the most common rhythms and you started order does drummer in your family's band. So what were some of the rhythms. You were taught to play as a drummer that helped guide you in your formative years as a pianist things that you transferred to piano. Well there's an African rhythm that is at the base of much of New Orleans music in the bamboo rhythm and before I even understood that I was being taught this rhythm mm-hmm or that I was internalizing. This rhythm rather I was and it goes like this. It's you owe Alaska. Leila's Jane All Alaska is a Jane or a win the saints go marching in. Oh when the saints go ma in is in so much of our repertoire and Me being the youngest drummer my family at the the time. There were four other drummers my cousins and Not only was. I learned a bamboo but I was learning from them. So I have at four variations of it so by the time I started really playing and Get into the piano. I had such a rhythmic approach approach to it that it's still with me today. So do you want to translate that rhythm to something that you do the piano or there's a piece on the album album knocked turn number one rhythm I love episodes. Yes it's It's really something that kind of takes. What's that rhythm? But also my classical music training in love for the form and development of those sort of the in variation variation and kind of mashes them up and creates what I like to call the Gold Mine. has to rhythm is Were listening back to John. Batiste recorded on fresh air and twenty eighteen will hear more more of that after we take a short break this is fresh air support for. NPR comes from whyy presenting the pulse. PODCAST that takes you on on adventures into unexpected corners of health and science plastic in the guts of deep sea creatures crying after anesthesia building. Your own Internet. Each episode is full of fascinating stories and big ideas the pulse available. Where you get your podcasts or at whyy dot org? Hi It's Terry Gross inviting you to check out our new online archive collecting forty years of fresh air interviews and reviews. You can hear my interviews with people like David David Bowie of Franklin Johnny Cash. John Updike. Tony Morrison searched for names. You're interested in make a playlist for yourself or friends at fresh air archive five dot org. That's fresh air archive dot org. Let's get back to my twenty eighteen interview with pianist. John Batiste who was at the piano. He's The music director for the late. Show with Stephen Colbert N.. Leads the band. I hear so much monk in your applying again not imitating him but having kind of Absorbed him and made it your own things. I hear you you doing that. Remind me of mark is your use of dissonance Yousef kind of punctuation you you use of space of letting things ring out and not not filling it And the angular already of moment. So can you play something of your own that incorporates the kinds of things we've been talking about. Oh absolutely there's a A piece that I recorded twice. It's titled Red Beans and it's a blues and when you hear the melody it has that rhyme and also that space and dissonance this characteristic of monk but I I never copy. I try to absorb which is what I hope I done with this piece. Yes Oh that's great just to listen to a lot of monk. I have a few people who are listened to regularly. I always come back to them. I'll say I don't listen to monk regularly but I always come back to his music. Bach is another one James Brown Nina Simone. Let's contrast to hear some Bach and have influenced you know my goodness well. There's so much there. I think that Bach is really a The mysticism of music virtuality of music the the depth of how he's able to be so systematic and logical symmetrical at times super symmetrical to the point of It almost being A musical game of sorts yet it harboring such a depth apt of human feeling the range of human emotions and asking questions about the afterlife. I mean the Saint Matthews Passion. I was listening to that maybe yesterday a couple of days ago about three hours long and just listening to that makes you realize what's possible he's arguably the best thing that anyone's ever been in the history of doing the thing can can you. Can you play an example of Bach. That you think exemplifies both like the spiritual but also the kind of game like aspect avot in its structure. Oh my you know. There's something in the inventions which I mean. He's just chilling at home and he's like Mike is tough out there in the streets. y'All so kids. I'm going to write you these inventions and he writes these pieces that are among among the most standard of the repertoire. If you're a classical pianist you have to know these inventions of some of the first things I learned in you research and find out. He wrote these for voice kids but There to voices which I really enjoy. You know there's a The left hand and right hand And it's moving all of a sudden but it's just too voices in the the the simplicity acidity of how he makes something that is just to melodies playing in conversation asking questions responding thing sometimes the talking at the same time other times it's Call and Response Sometimes. It's in harmony. Sometimes there's dissonance just that's life. That's our journey exemplified in a simple piece that he wrote for his kids. That's it's amazing what I sometimes do their show when I'm talking to a musician whose doing a kind of musical autobiography is to ask them to Redeem Masan to take a song that we wouldn't expect them to like that they do or song that we think of as square too corny too sentimental song beyond redemption. And but that you love so is. Is there a song like that. That comes to mind that you would like to redeem for us. Well I love happy and you know it. I really liked that songs. Children's songs that you're talking about. Yes we know it clap. Does hand it. It's something that I I like about. These kind of melodies is kind of nursery rom children's melodies that are just so coherent and and they have a it's the question and answer thing that I I just love and in music that We were talking about earlier with the loneliest. Monk of course mark is much more complex but it's at at the root of it is the same thing which is y think children can respond to it in such an intuitive way. This kind of Ns it. Oh I get it now if you put a baseline on it and some different harmonies on it. You can get a vibe like Take a church on spring. Somebody emotions of it and then when you play Uh You know it just I. I don't know I like it. It's cool I now. Luckily you did with your life. You have you know if you have in your hands or aw if you're not you really WANNA show on shore if you have in your lab. Yeah Hey Gianbattista you've been so wonderful. I'm so grateful to you. Thank you so much much. You've been so generous with your music with us and an end in general Thank you thank you so much. It's a pleasure to be here and Till next time John batiste recorded in two thousand eighteen today. We featured a few of our favourite concerts. We've done over the past decade. 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Podcast #249  Documenting & Preserving Radio at HBCUs

Radio Survivor Podcast

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Podcast #249 Documenting & Preserving Radio at HBCUs

"Welcome to radio survivor. We're here for the love of, radio, and sound my name is Mundell Everybody Eric Klein here and hi I'm Jennifer weights. So today, we're going to dig into college radio, but we're going to dig into a set of colleges and universities. We haven't ever really touched on on specifically and those are historically black colleges and universities, which it should surprise nobody many of them also have radio stations, and then we're also dipping into their archives as they may or may not exist Jennifer what brought this on this topic onto your radar Lou. There was an article about an amazing project that's happening right now being led by Jocelyn Robinson and she is basically doing a survey reaching out to learn more about collections of archives at historically black colleges and university radio stations. And that piqued my interest because I am interested in college radio archives generally, and so I was excited to hear about this project that's taking a look at it very specific slice of college. Radio. Yeah. In one of the things the Jocelyn will explain to us is that. HP. As they're known often play this very pivotal role in in community life and in cultural. Life. For African Americans wear in places where these universities are situated, which sort of adds an. Additional layer additional magnification. I think to the to the importance of that work. So it's it's really great that just took some time to talk with us about that project. Yeah. I mean it's it's like everywhere you go a college station, I mean or a community radio station on a college campus or Integrated into a college campus is going to be a very useful way to understand a community to understand a place, and so the notion of preserving the sounds of college radio at historically black colleges and universities is definitely a very exciting story for us it radio survivor and what a great guest run the line with Jocelyn. Robinson the project director of the HP YOU radio station Archival Survey Project, Jocelyn, welcome to radio survivor. Thanks for having me. So you're in midst of a really exciting project to document a very specific type of college radio material audio at historically black college and university radio stations. I wanted to just first of all have you explain? What a historically black college and university is to our audience. Well, it's a designation that was established by the Higher Education Act of nineteen sixty five hsbc us, our colleges that were established prior to hundred, sixty four and their mission is to educate African Americans. That's that's pretty much it. So, Hec, you is the acronym, and so you're looking specifically at radio stations that are at HSBC us and so I'm curious what prompted the project? It's kind of a long story. I have a background in African American history and culture I. have. Worked with the African American Museum community for some time and at a certain point I switched to higher education and I. Have a master's degree in cultural studies with a concentration in race gender identity, and I have eight years of experiences a title three director at Historically Black College. title three is a an institutional development grant that's made through To to ABC's it goes through the president's office and it really is an. Influx of resources of federal resources across divisions in the universities and in two thousand thirteen, I took a production course at ISO. And got. Bit by the. Bug, the radio bug. What kind what kind of radio station is Waso? WASO is a public radio station that was originally founded at any college by students in one, thousand, nine, fifty eight, and there's a very robust community based program to train. Local people to make content for the radio. It's called community voices and got started in two thousand eleven and it's still going strong and has has trained probably several hundred people to make to make radio and of that. Those those folks you know a handful of us. are are devoted Automakers at this point in. In Two Thousand Fifteen I quit my day job to do it more. consistently, and at that time I had been working with WASO's archival. Material through the American Archive of public broadcasting. Pilot Project back in two, thousand, nine, ten, or so w ISO was able to digitize about three hundred hours of historical audio going back to the nineteen fifties but most. Most of it was in the sixties and Seventies. And also that into the eighties and was that. So that was like student radio material. For the most part, but you know there was it more from a student station into more of a community station and then into a public station. So had a bit of A. Trajectory in that that direction. So, much of the material was Civil Rights Era and into the Vietnam era. So really interesting stuff a lot of national figures. He came to the Antioch campus to speak with students to give lectures, etc, and the materials really fascinating. So I served as the as the station's archive fellow for several years and I produced a show called. Rediscovered radio. In which I used the archival audio to. Provide context for things that are going on in the world today and So it was a combination of interviews, the archival material in my own take on on things to some degree. And I just felt like. if Waso has such a rich. Trove of of historical material because frankly many of the voices in that collection are Martin Luther King Ralph Abernathy. stokely. Carmichael Alice. Walker. Gwendolyn Brooks Flow Kennedy the list is long. Wow And I've made pieces of around all of these folks and. So I felt like if Waso has a collection like this, what might exist at Is. Knowing that. Out of the hundred and five or so HPC's that's that still exist. There are about still in existence twenty, nine radio stations. And so a third of US have radio stations and I knew this because working at central state were WC issue is located. It is credited with having the first FCC license of an HBO. Station in nineteen, sixty two. So So I, I had a little bit of a connection there but I it was curiosity and so that curiosity was really Nurtured when I. Went Back to school after I. Quit my day job to get a Grad cert in archives and went to Wright state, universities, public history program, which is of very fine program and In the course of doing a class assignment I learned about a guy named Sam Br. Allow Ski. Who worked at the the Library of Congress and WHO had was quoted in a very interesting article that was in the rolling stone about digital preservation of of materials at a music recording studios, how reissues of the best of kind of albums was getting difficult because in the early digital era? there was very little Meta data attached to these early digital files and masters were being lost. And it was. It was difficult to to reissue some of these materials because various tracks were missing anyway. I thought that was fascinating and I thought he he sounded interesting. So when I googled him I found out that he was giving the keynote address at the very first radio preservation task force conference in Washington that's right. Yes I was there So I made a deal, I found out about it. I made a deal with my faculty to give me my midterms early. So I could go to the the conference with the promise that I would do a presentation on it when I got back and when I got there I sort of fell into that community of radio preservationists and Met Sonia Williams who is currently chairing the Communications Department at Howard University a longtime producer in Washington DC and I was invited to serve on the African American Civil Rights Radio Caucus of the of the task force which she chairs. And it so that you know the rest is history kind of thing I've I've been involved with that larger group talking about the issues of preservation of audio preservation and Just's. Having that curiosity again nurtured by. By folks who are curious themselves. Well and what I like about your project is you know I'm very interested in College Radio Archives in history and it's a bit overwhelming. So I liked that yours is at least finite, you know the number of stations that exist and and you can actually try to track them. So so that's what you're doing. You're you're trying to survey the landscape of what is housed at different historically black college and university radio stations. Could you could you describe a little bit? Is there a typical hp cu college radio station or are they just as diverse as every other college radio station? Well, they're just as diverse as HCC US they're incredibly diverse, they're large, they're small rural, urban, their public private. the radio stations are sometimes public radio affiliated with NPR sometimes commercial based. Some of them have a very strong relationship with their institutions as a teaching tool. some of them are a little bit more removed from that but. It. So they're diverse and and they'll the number is finite. It is a number that is something of a moving target and a shifting target because. in the I, know of at least three radio stations that have sold their licenses. and. One of them was Shaw University that was only in two thousand eighteen fit Ville State University in the in the UNC system sold theirs to WNYC in a two thousand fifteen. So there's a bit of urgency around at least identifying the the the landscape is you say Because, the FCC license is an institutional asset. And when an institution is at risk. which some HPC's are and many colleges are in this day and age that's that's not something that's unique to HPC's. But those assets can be turned into cash to keep the lights on and keep the doors open of of a college. So. which is one of the reasons why Waso Did the the the work put in the effort to? fundraise and and. Their own license and and Kinda strike off on their own, not so much because any college is at risk but. But the the landscape for Liberal Arts colleges is is sometimes pretty bleak. So Yeah that that doesn't have to be a factor in what goes on at the station. So Jocelyn Robinson is on the line we're talking about her project. Well, she is the project director of the HCC radio station archival survey project and and we're talking about what you're up to with with understanding this landscape of College Radio, Station Archives at historically black colleges and universities why why do you think it's so important to catalog the audio at these college radio stations Well there's a couple of different reasons and one of them is that HEC US tend to be keepers of culture in our communities in in black communities. particularly in the southeast, they are you know they to to my mind they are hallowed ground and believe it's incredibly important to to. Preserve and protect the legacy that that the institutions have and and as and as they are represented in their in their radio stations You know I. I think it's as simple as that they're they're important to their communities they're important to a larger Higher Ed the higher, the larger Higher Ed, universe and reporting to American history and culture. So you know. I think it's for me. It's it again it's kind of a a sacred. Duty to protect and preserve. Them. And can you can you give us a glimpse of some of what you've found so far as you've been going out visiting radio stations, interviewing people about their collections. Well. I. I have to say that I'm not finding what I had hoped to find initially which was. would have been collections. what I'm finding is I guess I use that word loosely? Yes. What? I'm finding is that it's in a number of cases fee institutions don't have the infrastructure for. Collecting. Historical materials that are related to their radio stations. the radio stations themselves I think are very much dependent on the general manager at the time. In some cases, there's two one or two professional staff. And keeping the service on the air is the priority. The next priority is is serving students. So. Everything else is peripheral everything else as auxiliary. And that. So that preservation piece. at. At a higher at instinct institution really falls to the Institute archives. And in many cases. I don't know if it's the ephemeral nature of radio or what? Exactly. But there isn't a relationship between the institutional archives, which primarily collects paper materials and and collections that are readily identifiable say as the president's papers or what have you. They aren't. Audiovisual materials necessarily, sometimes, some a few items might make it into the formal collections but that's been rare that I have have noted so far. And I have not had one hundred percent response rate with the initial survey. So there could be. Collections out there that I just don't know about yet. But for those that have responded and those that I have visited thus far. If there are. outdated his materials. They generally are few and far between they may be stored in an offsite location that no one has time to really go to or take me to at this point. And so I, I have found a handful of things but It's it's what it has done for me. Has, pointed out the incredible need for the radio staff and the Institutional Archives Staff. The. Library staff whomever is doing the the collecting on on campus to begin a dialogue. So that A preservation plans and disaster plans and all sorts of of of conversations can take place between the two. One of the things that is is doubly important is in addition to these historical materials these radio stations are producing content right this moment as we speak and at they have for the most part all switched to a digital platform so. That means that digital preservation is an added a need as well, and even having those conversations about about workflow about Metadata Schema about redundancy in in backing up, and that sort of thing those are conversations that also need to be had. So it's not exactly what I had thought it would be but it's This other thing that's really great because I've been able to to to spur these conversations on on various campuses and in some cases, the radio, the station manager and the institutional archivists have never met and never spoken and and now they're thinking of ways that they can write a grant together to. Start Thinking about? You know how they're going to to preserve the radio stations materials. So I in many ways it's even more fruitful and and interesting and exciting than finding. You know forgotton tape of Dr. Martin Luther King Junior. Right. Jocelyn it rings true rings true for me as somebody who visited called radio stations all over the country as well and I think you're absolutely right that often those conversations are happening between radio stations and and college archives it it's sort of a rarity when there is an established archive in special collections or in the library and the university archives. And I asked agree that the day to day work of a radio station can be overwhelming and so the archival projects get pushed aside. I think often often these collections are housed elsewhere too. So alumni often have tapes squirrelled away and so that adds to the complexity for you is that. You know there may be some of this material but it it may be it may not be on campus anywhere right all right that was part that's been part of the conversation everywhere we've gone and it's not just students it's former programmers you know that may have been professionals or you know station managers who thought well, this would be important to keep a take it with me when I go and. You know. I think that is the case almost everywhere and certainly during periods of time when the. To record a show and and keep it, you weren't. It's not like it was going to get. It will wasn't a podcast that could be played multiple times or something like that. So who else was what? You know. What you need Jocelyn. Robinson. Is like cart that you can produce that they could play on all these stations to ask the community of anybody has any cassette tapes in their closets I know we Jennifer. You brought a guest on earlier in two thousand, hundred where. The, the the clue, the missing clue for that detective as far as radio archives goes wasn't found until that guest was able to get onto the radio station and ask a elderly listeners if they remembered anything. I think this was. This was a specific latin-american mystery but we're on the line today with Jocelyn Robinson, project director of the historically black colleges and universities radio station, archival survey project here on Radio Survivor Mine Eric Klein with me as always been. Just so now I want to kind of dig down here because I think you have a unique position if unique experience. To me in my mind and my experience W. Y. S. O. stands out as unique in having an archives project and that's that's Antioch College in Ohio in Ohio Yellow. Springs Ohio. Yes. And Unique Radio Station College public radio station much more. So I think I in its functioning these days but still with a lot of community involvement and it stands out as unique is having a formal archives project I would say that Those don't tend to be in the majority and you've had experience to work there. and I wonder if you have a sense from from both working in higher education working at. An historically black college. And then working there it w why. So if you have a sense for for why a place like any college and to be a wire, so heads this archives project if that illuminated all why then perhaps. These. Other colleges and universities both HP US and. Just in general don't I don't know if you if you have any insights there. Oh, absolutely do and it's not what you think. Well full disclosure I also worked at Antioch College for a time in a higher ed capacity, the an in administration and. Back in. Believe. It was nineteen ninety-one. The radio station moved from the second floor of the Student Union to building on campus. And when it moved, the tape library was pulled off the shelves and thrown into bags and boxes hauled across campus to this other building stuck in a musty storeroom and there it lay for nearly twenty five years That is why Waso has a collection to a large degree. It was almost A. Benign neglect, would you say that? Yes, they. So at the very least, they didn't throw it. Away Right. which, which is often what what happened or that didn't get somewhere where you wouldn't ever find it again if it was California real estate instead of Ohio right. warehoused somewhere where I guess it also wasn't subject to many environmental threats. Well it it it had a bit of threat you know the. It was an older building, musty mildew, e There was a a mold bloom after it had been stabilized, and there were some difficulties with environmental apparatus, but You know for the most part the fact that it was still there in one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, one. is a testament to a a student run operation that. Had the wherewithal to have a tape library and again also remind listeners of the depth of of that historical record like tapes. Encompassed a lot. Right, they date back to the February of Nineteen fifty-eight. When the the radio station went on the air, we do have a recording of the very first broadcast. And using it really is it really is and and there were I wanna say around three thousand tapes. And that's not the tapes that folks have squirreled away and their in their closets because I'm sure that that many of the shows that were student produced and community produced have been had been recorded and those cassettes most likely they were cassettes by that point you know went home with somebody. and. and there are also a lot of debts that there aren't as many cassettes in this particular collection but there are some and they're floppies. At there are there is a very transitional. Yes. So so so it's very transitional and I think You know only having. nearly three hundred hours of digitized means that there is a quite a. Great deal more material that really hasn't been. Looked at in terms of its use or as a you know resource outside of the of what we we have available to us right now digitally, and that's just at one college. Just at one college. One College, that at at its height may have had two thousand students. So what you're saying that you know through the industry of student leaders and managers at W. Y.. So from the fifties to the the eighties, they managed to amass his collection of tapes there that then through benign neglect. was sort of preserved and kept and then and then rediscovered how many years later when we were these tapes on Earth and folks thought to do something with their at Waso in Yellow Springs Ohio. Well. Again, when when Nina Ellis was hired as the general manager in two thousand nine, she wasn't on the job for but a few weeks when the RFP for the the American. Archive of public broadcasting. came across her desk and that was the catalyst was You know we have these tapes maybe this is a funding source to do something with them at least to get them out of the storeroom and and stabilize them, and that's what happened. So they are now housed in a climate controlled humidity controlled, UV, controlled space, and so they are stable although of course, there's deterioration and the those that were professionally digitized in the course of the project had to be baked had to be you know th, they had to go through the tapes get. In an oven. Controlled in order to make sure that they don't fall apart, which means that they will fall apart. Once they're digital, it's a, it's a one time Riley. It's a very exciting and risky form of preservation. So I mean kind of. What you lay out here Jocelyn is is, is that does it isn't very hopeful in some ways in general for a lot of community and in college radio. Because it seems as though. It sort of reflects my experience in I think what? What Jennifer sort of mentioned as well is that much of the time having an archive having some type of The News Resources and assets stored is more often by accident than by program or sometimes it seems to have been In fits right. There are certain periods represented because as you mentioned, maybe student leadership or station leadership for period. decided it was important put some effort into it but but you know students graduate. Professionals move on their career and cycle through, and they're not always turned into long lasting programs that reflect kind of what you're learning and what you're seeing. Oh absolutely absolutely even in the the HBO that I visited when there's been a particularly charismatic and and forward thinking GM there there might be. Something, not necessarily archival material, but but growth in the station more wattage more equipment a a stronger relationship with the academic program I mean it it. It should trickle down into the the historical record but at I haven't really found that to be the case quite yet but I wouldn't rule it out because again, we're. Even a few steps away from really identifying whether or not a station has archival materials. We. As you're mentioning some of those trajectories I think A lot of stations aren't even aware of just their general history so. Even I found you know I found in my research that that sometimes I'm digging into student newspapers to learn more about a radio stations history that often the students aren't aware of. So I think they're often there are these. An incredible accomplishments that that go unnoted? So yeah, not only the audio. Not, only the audio that you're talking about whether or not that's been preserved, but even just the goings on of station and right it's program guides. All right. You know posters from concerts that the the the the radio station help sponsor or MC or whatever I mean. Yeah. There's. There's a lot of that. That's the voice Sir Jocelyn Robinson Project Director at the historically Black College and university radio station Archival Survey, project we're talking with radio on radio survivor today about preserving the sounds of historically black colleges and universities radio stations. Our guest has informed us that about thirty percent of the existing H. have. Radio stations or have had radio stations. So that's like a about less than three dozen existing possibilities to archive or or to hear these sounds and what's very exciting. About today's topic for me, is that the history of radio in this country and college radio are extremely Interlinked, and in fact, in a Lotta ways called radio is is is really like the. The the foundational moment of of Radio in the country and so to think about college radio on campuses of historically black colleges and universities, and the you know what what has gone on at those stations and how how the every story at every station Is such a unique portrait of those communities It's very exciting I'm glad that Jocelyn Robinson somebody's on the job now it's a, it's A. It's a, it's a unique, but it's very interesting that you had to that you had to write your own job description to get this someone needed to do it Thank you for begging for taking up that That Mantle Jocelyn you mentioned you mentioned learning about the first FCC licensed radio station at an HP see you so I'm curious if. What you're if you're looking at radio stations that don't have licenses as well. So are you? Are. You taking a look at at at schools that might have an online station or that might have have had a carrier current am unlicenced station in the past starting in the nineteen sixties or are you purely focused on stations that have that have FCC LICENSES You know this research is really did the gift that keeps on giving That's. That's a direction to take. I think ultimately I hadn't planned to look at radio stations that no longer have broadcast licenses during this round of of research but I have found that I really needed to do that to get. A better context for for what I was finding. And I think that ultimately the streaming stations low watt stations, you know all of that sort of thing is another another pass through. The the the research but. I yeah. Because a lot of these stations have. They sort of in college radio they've morphed over the years and they may have started out as. Carrier current and then maybe they were able to get an FCC license. and. So yeah, that's Their. College radio stations can be quite nimble and take all these different forms. So I'm not surprised that you're starting to notice that as well. Right but I do WANNA go back to to talking about radio stations that no longer exist and the one that I think is kind of interesting and exciting and I visited on this trip was WDC you which had been at the University of the District of Columbia UDC and interestingly they haven't archives. WDC You was the Premier Jazz station in Washington DC for many many years and there are a lot of old jazz heads in DC and it was well loved and. During the. Mid Nineties UDC fell on hard times There was a subsidy that they were no longer getting that caused a huge deficit. At one point they were unable to start the schools, sue the the the semester on time I believe in the spring semester. And faculty lost their jobs. It was a it was a a really dire situation. And they the they decided to sell the the the license and they had a buyer. It was a Christian broadcaster I believe they were commercial, but they were able to somehow finagle a at the opportunity to purchase an educational license. And it all fell through at the last minute. So the thirteen million dollars that the the university was was hoping to to receive on the sale was about to go up in smoke essentially and C. Span stepped in. And they were, they were the the next time bidder. And they decided to go ahead and pay the the the higher bidders price, and they bought the station. The UDC has a pretty good and and robust archival program and There is a collection jazz archives at at Ud see now and the radio stations materials are part of that. So it's not everything and it certainly isn't something that people are well aware of, but they have many recordings that have been digitized. They have interviews, they have public affairs programming, and they have a lot of of three dimensional materials, awards, and and framed photographs and all sorts of things too. So it's a very complete archive. Of A radio station that no longer exists and even they were thrilled to sit down and talk with me this week because it gave them an opportunity to figure out what to do next with their materials and and what the possibilities might be for research for public programming for producing as I have done with Waso's collection. So it was very heartening because they can also serve as a model for others to here's how you can catalog these materials here your best practices in their in their care and preservation so. So it was all good. So I guess I've questions here in DC, which is a station no longer exists but was at the University of District of Columbia Jazz station, Justin Robinson, do you know was this a student run station 'cause my I know a little bit about it. I have some recollections from growing up on the east coast and troubling lot to that area or was it more professionally run was it or more kind of community volunteers I'm trying to I'm always trying to get at this ineffable difference right between one station has an archive in another doesn't and it seems to me that there was some sense there at ud seed, university district Columbia that they were. Something historical was happening because of its place in the jazz community of that city as well as probably arguably in in the in the national jazz community is my perception. Correct was was there was there more of that sense of history at that station in part because of its focus on on jazz, which is such an important Music Forum in the United States history. Well I I believe it was a student initiated station they talked about you know some of its genesis. One one of the things that I have come away. From this project with as a as an interest in seeing stations, collect oral histories from those folks who are still around who were there when the station was in its early years whether it's still on the air or not and You DC at I think is is looking. To do something like that to kind of make the memory of the station come alive. And I think that because it's in the nation's capital because it's it has this unique role as the only public hbu in in the district that there is this this. Acknowledgement of of their their role and their historical. And I think when that is present. preservation happens. And I think that's Much. What was happening Waso Antioch College has always seen itself as as a place that is. As unique and and important to the the Higher Education Universe and and I an, it's not. It's no wonder to me that people there felt that these materials were important and needed to be kept. and I think that one of the things I do run into at HCC us is even though the institution is a keeper of Culture. and has that that that takes that mantle. So often in in the community and at the at the institution itself. That you know just knowing that that what you is important and worthy of of of preservation and worthy of of passing on two generations you know in the future is. it's it's a mindset and and I don't know that oftentimes when particularly in the African American community when and particularly in the south that You know. Getting that mindset that Y-. That are materials need to be? Preserved and protected and celebrated Sometimes, it's an uphill struggle for that and Justin Robertson. You're the project director of the historically Black College University Radio Station Archival Survey Project and you know, and we've the conversations come to this point in which we're talking a little bit about you know why and how stations particularly college stations have an archive may not have an archive to even go to even look at and you know you mentioned earlier on that that you. Worked in administration, right? You've you've been at radio stations, but you've also worked administration and I think that that's a side. We often leave out because we talk much about what happens at the radio station right in terms of the student management maybe or professional who's makes the radio, the radio whether or not they're saving it but you know the other side of it you've mentioned that in relationships that you're trying to foster at many of these huge is with. A, university. Archive, which often sits in a library. In different places in in the university but you know has ties to the administration and I. Wonder if you have a sense for why an archive or university administration college. Administration. Isn't you know also isn't paying attention to the radio station it is it because it has sort of looked at like a student club and right you know and and maybe is not. Serious. And for lack of better one of the things that's behind Paul's question today is that. We've learned on raise survivor over the years. Is that a lot of time? Especially universities don't see the radio as part of their task. Yeah it's IT'S A it's like a new. It's a new. It's a new item on the list to preserve sound text is more of their historical task. Absolutely. Absolutely I think that that that's the old school way of archives management, but it's increasingly changing and it's but it's been a little slow. You know But I do think that that is something that's changing as the the digital environment becomes that the environment that is most prevalent in terms of the records and information management on a college campus. So there was a time when the that the the archives generally is the place where the institutional records are ingested and. When that happens. There could be reams and reams and reams of paper. But that's becoming less and less. So so that that whole notion that we have to have servers and we have to have computers and we have to have knowledge of Meta data and knowledge of of retrieval and all of those kinds of things that archivist didn't have to bother with before. The those that's be increasingly becoming part of the job and you know and I don't know if it's because of the. Nature of Radio, and if you don't walk into a radio station and see how it works, you may not know. And so and also you know we're in this this culture now where all of us are documentarian 's so we carry around all you know archives of our lives in our phones and that's not how people fought in the past you know. That that preservation piece was something that and particularly in our You know our American Puritan way of of seeing that to preserve your own materials how you know what Hubris. To. To preserve something because you did it you know so I think that they're all kinds of layers to to the preservation puzzle. preservation question and certainly you know being humble and and and having humility and feeling like Oh what I do is not that important. Is is a factor that leads me to the question Jocelyn. Robinson have you uncovered any sort of musical programming that's been archived in any decade at all at these historically black colleges and universities Yes. I have I haven't listened to it because we didn't have the capacity to play it back where I where we were. But at a South Carolina state, there is a Sunday morning radio show that features choirs from black churches in the in the region, and they come in live and and perform. And there's a whole stack of of You know a whole spindle of. CDs. So there's some of them are fairly recent, but they go back years and And there are a few folks who have recorded their own shows here and there have said, yes, I have tapes of of of my of my shows but that's that's something that does exist. Yes. Yeah. I'm thinking about an episode of survivor where we spoke with an individual that was running their own. Like I don't know off the Books Archive, how do we put it? It was RIMAC Michael with his hip hop Radio Archive where there was just There's just these bootleg tapes essentially that fans had made sometimes college radio sometimes community radio especially of hip hop in the late eighties and early nineties, and just you know how it was played that day on the radio by that DJ is really a unique. Archive. Because it's not just the list of songs. It's it's how they're mixed and how they're presented and and what people say about them when they played them on that particular day Joe so you know we we've learned how the college radio in particular played an enormously important role in in the early days of hip hop. And I wonder if you've uncovered any connections to hugh stations in particular these archives. I haven't really and I think that's probably because I have been focusing on at risk materials. So, our conversations have tended to be do you have open reel tapes? Do you have cassettes and not really looking to you know later formats and the music that would have been. You know naturally going along with that but that's not to say that that doesn't exist for sure. A suggestion. I'm curious what you know you've been kind of serving the landscape and visiting stations and obviously learning. That a lot of introductions need to be made between Arcus and radio stations. So what what's next? What's the next phase for you after you can complete the survey? Well, I think my findings are. As, I said not exactly what I was hoping for but I think that it does lay the groundwork for agencies and foundations and. institutions to begin to do some thinking around how can we support these stations and these institutions and get something going. So the good work that's being done today can be preserved as well as the legacy of the work. That's that's taken place in the past. So I I really see it as as more of a of a narrative a story that needs to be told as opposed to here's a list of of materials that I found. It's really much much bigger than that. And do you have From, these visits do you have any immediate advice to college radio stations that have materials lying around? Well. Meaning audio materials so that might have real to reel Zain. Old Yeah old real reels that are in a closet somewhere which should they do? Well, they should take advantage. I. Of the of the expertise that exists on their college campuses and and. Open relationship with their institutional archives. If they don't have time even if they don't have the expertise is the journey they can start on together and that's kind of been the case in in certain situations. And You know the the the first thing is you know make sure that it's cool dry dark and and if you can get the material stable than. You have you buy a little time and and can have some conversations about what to do next and particularly if it's material that is identifiable as to its content if it's significant, a case can be made to to try to ameliorate the situation for that material is as quickly as possible. So. You know, as far as the other parts of it are are concerned they don't have time to to to really undertake. A, you know a large scale You know purge of that storage closet that's that's filled with with boxes of all sorts of things including a bunch cassettes. so You know part of it is, let's all stay in touch. Let's figure out how we might be able to pull together some workshops and do some rudimentary trainings on best practices in audiovisual archival preservation and and see what happens. So and and and everyone's been onboard. Even those who really don't have the time or the resources They know that that it's a it's an important thing and that the fact that they've been alerted to its importance and and realize their their role in this continuing legacy, this continuing broadcast legacy then they start to say you know that what I'm doing today is important too. So we have to make a plan for all of this. Are there. So you know I visited radio stations where people have told me. Things to the effect of you don't WanNa know the sorts of things we've thrown away. So have what sorts of things should people not throw away maybe maybe you can send the battlecry people about the types of things they should be keeping at radio stations. Well I guess. You know any. Material that is that you can't play back. Until you figure out what what the content is. Don't throw it away. and. Don't throw away the playback equipment that you have at this point I was just at Elizabeth City. State University and they have cart players. They have at least two huge reel to reel machines they. They have other equipment that's in the storage area. This offsite storage area that also houses some of their. Media and. You know that the one of the librarians who has an R. Archives background was a part of our our conversation. You know that that material is now not going to be thrown away. Don't throw it away. Even if it doesn't work, someone might be able to use parts from it for a another unit that that actually can be used at a library and the good thing is. That most state archives associations are really good at sharing information. The Society of American, archivists is good at sharing information. There's list serves for all of them. You can. You can find somebody who can and resurrect an old piece of equipment or you at least try to find somebody who can re read an old piece of equipment and there's another institution that may be able to help you out with playback to figure out what you got. So I mean I think part of it is don't feel like you exist in a vacuum. There's a an incredible network of of of institutions and people who can and will. Help if you know, they know that there's a need I think archivists are some of the the most generous generous colleagues I've ever worked with. So you know. Don't don't throw it away until you talked to somebody no matter what it is. Jocelyn Robinson. You're the project director at the Stork Lee Black Colleges and university radio station. Archival Survey Project Thank you so much for joining us today on radio survivor to scratch the surface of preserving the sounds of each. Radio. Thanks it's been my pleasure. Jennifer thanks again for getting a hold of Jason Robinson. For that amazing interview and we covered so much I think about college and community radio. In, general about this, pressing question of preserving the legacy in addition to obviously the topic at hand, which was preserving the legacy at historically black colleges and universities. Yeah I'm really excited about these these partnerships that I think she's starting to form here at at individual stations and universities, and I think it's it's really the first step and a step that can be it can be an example for many other college radio stations, community radio stations just to get these conversations started about preserving your history and preserving your present and I. I. Really like that I appreciate that she understands the challenges not only with preserving the past but also preserving current content. Yeah I mean we're living through very interesting times right now and college radio stations around the country are certainly worth listening to now, and in the future well, we covered a lot of territory on this interview So if you want to kind of. Dig Deeper on the topics and loud advice that was given out. You can go visit our show notes at Rayo. SURVIVOR DOT com slash podcast. It's also of course where you can listen to this episode and all the past two hundred plus episodes of Radio Survivor, which is available every week, and that's where you can learn how to subscribe in Apple podcasts or Stitcher or spotify whatever your favorite way to listen to. PODCASTS are, of course you may also be enjoying us there on a on your local community radio station, and we really appreciate that you tune in and support your local community radio station. 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Nikki Glaser, Andrew Collin and Justin Robinson guest

Doug Loves Movies

1:26:34 hr | 2 years ago

Nikki Glaser, Andrew Collin and Justin Robinson guest

"Don, candy, wrapper screening. Every. Bindings doug. And I love movies. Coming to you. What's again from Tacoma, Washington? Just rearranging some of the chairs because all of the chairs because there's people sitting directly to the sides of us. And I want them to be. I try to be awesome. That guy said it was also all right? Somebody gave me a shit ton at donate. He's already. So yeah. Get your faces ready for that. All right. It's Saturday January nineteenth. And we're at the Tacoma comedy club. Four twentyish, and it's time. To see some name tags. Where's your name tag? Yeah. That's what I thought is the closest Saji doesn't have a fucking name tag. Look at him with his arm. The thing all cocky, Scott of the dead. Great job, Scott. Jeremy he said of ET and my face is the moon. Not a compliment. Very Brady what sequel that that was the name of it, right? But you drew it you see through it for you. You're disqualified, sir. Let's talk about hers bridge in the hood. Your name's Brigette. Okay. I saw you guys walking the streets. I love the lights on the name tags. That's amazing. Still can't read them. But they look great. This was got this. You've got the fuck in Infinity hand. That sounds like something like an invention that lets you jerk off forever. The infinity. All right. Well, lots of great name tags. Oh, there's that. Judgment day. Doug shipment day. I saw that one on the internet today. But yeah, great job everybody and be ready to whip those out again later that MRs Doubtfire ones, really. Really quite special. And yeah, you hit lower those people behind you want to see the show, but. Next time I asked for the name tags, hopefully, someone from from the facility can bring the house lights up a little bit. That'd be helpful. It's not my first time here. Time for Doug plugs. Everybody's favorite part of the show. Where's he going after this? Where's he going to be the weekend? Go well. Vegas for one. Douglas movies is coming to the comedy cellar at the Rio hotel. It's actually on the first floor. But you get the idea. That Sunday January twenty seventh and four twenty Douglas movies is back in LA on Tuesday. January twenty ninth and Dallas Texas hyenas on Sunday February second also for twenty. Yeah. Hyenas? I mean, I it's not as good a name as Tacoma comedy club. I'm serious. I mean, I love eaters but shit Tacoma comedy clubs says exactly what you need to know. Is just like, oh, some silly laughing animal whereas that where's that going to happen? All of my dates lakes are Douglas movies dot com. From the corrections. Depar- having talked to the corrections department while I've been Bailey. But I I did have to reach out and have a discussion with them about. How Kieran nightly was in four of the pirates of the Caribbean movies. Yeah. The the fourth one she was not in. She was not in on stranger tides. So I'm glad we cleared that. Worked out pretty good. Let's check out the prize bag. I don't get too excited. I had to fly here. And I I only went with a carry on. So it's it's lovely items. But they're small starting with my my most favorite thing. I was here in October at the Tacoma dome. Participating in call the Lebanon haze cannabis convention in comedy festival. And here's they're beautiful, sir. I really liked it cert- giving one away today. So you can't. You could hope town pride that shit at hopefully, we'll come back and do that event again here because it was such a good time. Here's a little red kerchief. Ben Danna thing. You could do a pocket square. If you're gentlemen, shove it down your pants, if you're. No, no. I don't know what I'm saying anymore. The weed is to good here. Douglas, movie sticker a Hank hill sticker. Check that out. Raise your hand to kill raise your hand. Do you know? Hey, hell when you see him. Yeah. He knows. And then I was in San Francisco last week and lovely people the dispensary called spark gave me a really nice grinder that we share with you guys on the off chance at the winter like marijuana hard to imagine somebody who doesn't in this region. But I guess it happens all that is the price. Plus, I'll throw some fucking donate ease in there. Keeps them to throw to throw at the audience. Yeah. And if I guess I'm gonna throw donate ease at my guess. Please give it up for Justin, Rob Andrew Collin, and Nikki glaze. Seeing this person on a. A real accomplishment. Other y'all know me, you don't know me. From that thing. Yeah. On real world in nineteen anyway. Sorry offense to. Doogie Horner and Tom took are, but you're on with them. I feel at this time. I really feel it. Yeah. You're definitely the most famous person in Tacoma right now. Okay. Person should get a plaque. City of. Would I take this car downhill straight into the water? He whatever does lost control and just gone go to fake may have at least one is certainly maybe even on per maybe on a bird. I mean, it's for Cisco style streets around here. And I don't know why you don't get air more often. When I'm just walking around a pedestrian. I'm like God. I wish I could get air. Like these cars could if gun at a little air to be a head. You're right. It's true. I was just on a run, and I some, and I and I kind of like, I don't know your laws about jaywalking. But I soon you can because there's just like patches of time where no one's coming. So just I'm not an idiot. I think I'll be okay. So I went his car came out of nowhere. And I wanted to get. Haunted me. And I just I, you know, I was embarrassed. So I did the thing of lashing out where you're just like oh. Like that kind of thing. And then I flipped them off. And and when they were like far enough away where I feel like I could get away. I flipped them off. And then went on a run. And then I got back to my hotel and the guy, and he was like that was really upsetting for me. But you you've got so mad at me. I was excited. I saw you. And I. And I. Like fan fan. So I was so excited for that guy. 'cause I guarantee you are zero celebrities jogging Tacoma. This is the city. Visit what you want to stay in your hotel room for a couple of days. That's true. That was amazing when you can't feel it. It's nice and warm and your room just sit there Tacoma dome. I do like this city. It is both beautiful and sad. You know? It's like an eater. It's each. And there's something beautiful that against all at one. You guys got everything here. Glad you didn't take that offensively, and you kind of embrace it because you know, it's so true. It's so true, beauty and sadness every corner. What I will say that it's chilly is it can get here in the wintertime. I will still visit because it's west coast chili and not fucking east coast. A weather put that west coast hill is like it is this no joke. It's beautiful. It's our ran outside today. It was great. I mean, it rains all the time. It's it rains a lot here you as always ready for the rain. You just assume it's going to rain like at some point in the day, right? Because I was getting dropped off at my hotel the other night, and it was right before my show in the manager was like, what's do you want me to pick you over the show? That's like a good impression of him, by the way. Like if you take birth. For the show. A legit, Tony if you know, Tony so. What could mail Tony? I hope I hope the internet doesn't find out. And he goes. He goes all pick you up and I walk over because it's close enough. And he was like, oh, no, it might be raining, and which I found like it. Yeah. I think that's also like it might be like dangerous it might be raping outside as what he was saying to me like it might be raining that was like a code word because they didn't do streets. Couldn't be alert deserted around here. That's true. But again, it's because no one wants to be out. So it's only the most hardy of rapists. You. Most rape, Mr. Lacey. They're all through like, oh, I do today. But burr. Rapist out about here are probably dressed like the I know what you did last summer villa. And you know, they're all like Gordon's fisherman. Already. Don't trust that Gordon's fisherman to not semen or the worst. There. All right. Let's beat my guess instead of instead of just one of them. Let's start with her. Nikki Glaser everybody. Host of you up with Nikki Glaser on Sirius XM channel ninety. Serious are rental car. Tune in. Every morning Monday through Thursday, two hours every morning or very least find somebody who does have and get their code because serious is not good keeping people from sharing their code. Really? Yeah. You could give it like ten people. Oh my God. I didn't hear it for me. I did not endorse that. Yeah. Yeah. So I have a show every morning on that. And it's great so fun. What happens you'll be back in time for Monday morning show. Yep. I my schedule's insane. A show on the Martin Luther King day. Yeah. Work we're coming into work. We're working Loda. Yeah. We I we we I don't know why why am I working, I know rents. I think it's 'cause your rents. That's right. Okay. Sorry or you just want to give racist. Something new to listen to. There's so Avery that everything's sutdown. On that day. I wanna give them new content. They're going to be said racist. Truckers are going to listen to you all morning on Monday, but take you for being here. And you got two more shows tonight that I would mention if they weren't sold out already, but they are. Straight up. Brag. Dexter Nikki directly to her left is gentlemen, who's opening for her all weekend long. And you've heard him on her show. It's Andrew calling everybody. Thank you. Thank you. How's it going, dude? It's good. I'm good. I don't know. I'm nervous. I haven't seen that many movies. So just. Step outside catch up on a few. You have a DVD. Cram all night, we got like the hotel has six channels of HBO. You a really could've really studied a shitty eighties movies and pay for a room for me. I sleep out in the streets with right this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm out on the streets. Win t town bay. Call t- talent. I read that I read that. We don't go go call. All the hotel brochure then. I read t town is what I say everyone loves me down bay. Yeah. There it is. Thank you. Would you say that here? The people tell you to tack off. But they give for being here and panelists. You know? I'm in love him. If you've seen Douglas movies in Seattle or Tacoma because he roams between both areas quite freely. Nomad? Yeah. It's just said Robinson everybody. Everybody. A k a Rev his name on on the radio show is Rev in flake. Oh, yes. Reverend play go radio name. Yeah. You gotta have. Christ. Jesus christ. No, no. Well, I am ordained universal life church because anyone can do that. And then the infla- goes because I had a video game character that so just based off a game character for Reverend. Yeah. Waco is because I had a wizard with the last name in Waco. His name. Yes. Absolutely. Play go. Space. Tried to kind of Italian a little bit at the end there. I just picture like a guy like a Mexican dude and Robert Rodriguez movie with with a clerical collar, but he puts his bible and shoots fire in people's faces to me that's revenue Twi go. Sorry. I took the name as a dumpy fat white guy with a beard and bald hair. But. At your mornings on k s I w the rock. Hey, I w ninety nine point nine. Yeah. We do the morning show with Jay and MIGS. And I know you love me because I do all the trivia questions. And yeah, I mean, you're the more, you know, those guys have been on this. So, but they don't know shit. Yeah. Pretty much I especially with Andrew here for his first time. And and Mickey's a frequent competitor. I wanted to bring in somebody strong. What? And JIMBO what that means. Is that some shit sequel the Dumbo? The guy at works at the circuits. Year palm, JIMBO. He's got big ears. But he can't fly. All right. So really quick though because Nikki you have a morning show up with NICKY. So what should you should give Andrew Collin? A he's on all the time to give him a nickname like morning show lick. He does what is puddle boy. Puddle? Okay. So. We're on the road together. And and the key had been on some podcasts that morning, and he's getting a lot of feedback Deums from ladies just say different stuff being and one of them said you make me puddle paints. And the he told me this like bragging, and I go, she means sheep. She's not turned on by you, you made her laugh so hard. She peed. And then I funny. Fun. That's come. That's definitely com. Dawn by his story. Some podcasts that she puzzled or. And so he was like a little boy. And I go you are I can't deny. Reported puddles and there so we both named ourselves. We are. -ality? Overnight. I woke up in the morning, and you relocate bottle boy on Instagram. You know, what's young demographic? Fourteen eighteen I'm telling you know. All right. All right down down. Do you have a nickname? Everyone's well, somebody tries to Peter nickname on me. But it never six because I don't I don't hang out in groups. Gotta be gotta be around people that all start adopting it, and I just I change it up all the time. It's hard to get nicknames going over DM's and techs. I agree. Yeah. I've never been a nickname person. Either. You're the glaze now the delays. Throw a doughnut at you. I call myself dog sometimes. Oh, please. Don't sell snow glazed on you said you never say never say, glazed. That photo boy. Have a bell in the studio cut first thing in the show. You ring it when you got glazed. Bell would be broken thou. On the show tonight. Apparently, you don't pay attention. When you are. She's not getting any no. That's all I talk about picante. I'm so I yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It happens enough. Oh, dear. Oh, let's move on to the part where you guys share. What you brought for the gift? What do you got just oh fancy the ghost of Christmas past bunch of shit that either got or I found for Christmas. I think in our house. So I think most of them are pretty cool. I wanted to start off with a fifty five count of candy canes. Candidates. You magin? How mad you'd be? If there was only fifty four and they're. Like fifty five isn't a normal number. I was kind of surprised at that town like you need a fifty count and just five extra. You're getting like that would sell me. I'm like fifty five. A board game that I'm pretty sure I got as a gift on the Cellophane's. Nice little party game. What's it called just one? Oh, I see a board game for loners. Solitaire. Volunteer. You'll love this. If you're really lonely. Here's some fun feta play before you go shoot up a place. Candy. This christ. And a bottle opener. That is a key. It's actually a wedding souvenir from my wedding. My stink bunk, weddings. So it'll actually open up beers too. You got married to a steam poke. Yes are boasting punks. Yeah. We did it out in Vegas. The Bonnie springs ranch. We had everyone go out there and got all dressed up in. Mean to steam the simplest is went Goth meets Brown. So think of all those loaner weird kids what and they discovered like the old west or Victorian times. And then they add like years and shit to it. And boom, you have steam. In will Smith's wild wild west. Yes. Right now. He definitely deserves to have ownership of that will Smith's while. While. Wow. It just means you like to dress up like that, essentially. Yeah. Like with steam punk. It was like instead of electric city. Everything is still essentially steam powered so lots of pollution and to size all of the horrible conditions of Victorian England God. Yeah. It's fun. Okay. I get it. I think I'm sold. Very a lot of rust. Yeah. A lot of a lot of steam come to run away. Oh, yeah. Finally, the the Goths bringing it down. It's too hot to wear in the sun. Let's go Brown. Earthy man earthy Goff. All right. Well, thank you for all that keep back down throat with the other bags and Andrew what do you got for us? I know he's sprung this on you yesterday. Yeah. I they wrapped it so I feel all right. I'll run after the gift shop at the hotel all this for you. I put it on her. Wonderful. It's a wonderful gifts off unless you're looking for like aspirin or something that you would need in a hotel glass. There's a lot of products that have nothing to do with what you might need it. She's like everything here's supports local. It's all local artists or supporting artists. I'm like, I don't feel like I should be supporting this anymore. Sounds like in may blink. If I worked the by a night of. Guys, guys, sit around shit out of glass, get it together. Good. But other stuff it's like, this is the job. Don't even. Four from art. Are you interested in a stack? We have a lunch Ables made entirely out of glass. I'll take a pizza. All right. So this is not glass. This is edible edible lips. Oh, that's made. By a local artist. He told for my lips. If you want to. Right. Okay. There we go. By like, like wax. No, you could eat these are cookie. It's oh, it's a cookie cookie. Cookie. Cokie, Lou thought it totally is Jonah. It could be vagina to-. Oh, she sold it to me horizontal. But now I gotta deal at four dollars. Skid vertical? Okay. There's more. Yeah. Oh, and they're all individually, wrapped this lovely her wrap the cards. We she put protective wrapping around a deck of cards. I get it around fucking face cookie. But God deca card protection. Yeah. So you guys know these. Yeah. It's a gift that keeps giving really, you know. And then this is the big one. This is okay, sir society. I'm sorry. This is also wrapped. Sorry. It's in here. It's it's a glass. Then she laughed and that I don't know. Found something that's a show fish. I think. It doesn't it. Just looks like a like a blob Akam. Does what like I guess it's a to get nice pussy live with glob glass com. Really does I'm not trying to be crass for the sake of it. It really just does look like it, really. I mean, that's that should be thing. Like, you know, an interesting name board. I forgot whatever. This is so many babies that didn't happen. Turned into a nice nice piece of glass. Yeah. That's it job. Andrew that's your first prize bag attempt. And I think you did great. Thank you. I give the. Somebody gave somebody something to eat and a hobby. Yeah. Third thing. All right. I just have one thing. I I was gonna I didn't have a gift I went to that dome gift shop with you earlier, and you purchase all these things before. I don't like anything in here. And I knew there was some good stuff in there. Sore being like, I don't know what I'm gonna do. I was going to just bring the sex kit from my hotel room, and that's twenty eight bucks for like a convents blue like no sorry a used. It's ten bucks. Then I went on a run to go to the ten things. I hate about you stadium in town. I love you. Cool. Yeah. Okay. So then other. Breeze over that he Betty's ledger voter. Voter grace die before he died before. Yeah. Why did you help out? Why do sit encourage I told them this is late in his career. And I told them my favorite movie was ten things. I ate about you like late in late in his. He was like he was already the joker at this point. Yeah. He was the joker. Yeah. And I told yeah. Sincere bugging love that movie. I love t town. So good, isn't it? I went and saw that Saint, but when I was running there. Iran has this old toy store that has like old vintage toys, plus like new seven everyone has different and I'm walking through and dorky. So what's? Joking. Hold hold game. Tricky to not associated with door. Go. I often get told that I look like a WWE wrestler named. Charlotte flair and I found her toy. I like. The person that I've been told I look like I think and this is so cool. And I'm so excited about I'm going to sign it. Yeah. I love this. She's so cool. So it. Yeah. I bought it. Oh, the Glades. There you go. Place dog Charlotte flair. Looks like a coaster coaster tumbled up to the floor. Oh. This. It's got Bill Cosby on it. Says I love pudding. Pudding my dick where it don't belong. Phil. From. I would claim that say that I grabbed this bag from backstage. And it had that that's what it had in it. Coma growth through here. And that's what he sold after shows. Oh my God. You by lucked out that I grabbed that bag. Oh. I need a minute. That was really take. I did not expect that to be so fucking funny. I was like no way. This coast are going to have a good joke on Cisco. We said yet the brought a smile on my face. Where is along. Don't love code would've made no sense like five years ago. Like what? There used to be joked that used to be at hannibal's act. Oh my God. Okay. One question before we get to the the games portion, which I'm sure is what Andrews really nervous about. No, I'm not nervous at all. Well know yet your hot Reverend. Blushing just in. What was the last movie? You saw in any format. I just actually this morning ended up going back to back and watching the documentaries on the fire festival. So fire fraud, and it just fire. Oh, that's shit is amazing. Like it is insane. That just this like sociopath who apparently just loved the movie Wall Street decided to charm, the shit out of so many people like I watched the Hulu version I and it just shows what a total dick bag is. And then the net flex went. Basically just in shows you like every single person that he fucked over like ethically. And it's just it's amazing. How him in jail rule just took so many rich white people people's money to so much. Yeah. Yeah. I don't really feel bad for recommend one over the other. No companion. I I should watch one just to see because one of them actually has the dude in it Billy McFarland and just watching him score. When they ask him random questions. It's kind of fun. But then you get to actually see the people that were involved in it who believed in him with the Netflix one. Yeah, they say that you should watch the Hulu one and then the net flicks. One is like a bonus footage. Yeah. That's basically. Yeah. Start with. That's what I did. I mean who doesn't sponsor this show. So do whatever you want. Whatever feels best to you guys. Andrew. What was the last movie? You saw I saw creed too. Yeah. Yeah. The big great et Al area. Yeah. Wasn't. That's kind of unexpected. Wasn't. Fired up about Cree too. This excited when they get around to creed three. All about to you guys. Yeah. It was it was. All right. Yeah. Right. I'm sure it's fine. Like, I don't know why there's more they make you feel bad for the bad guy so much that it doesn't feel like you don't give a shit at the end when they fight, you know, why did decreed fide like? A handicapped person all seen it. Yeah. Yeah. He fought a guy in a wheelchair and. Nice wheel. Drug goes kid. He fought dry drama. Why do we care about him? Because his mother didn't talk to them or something anyone seen it. I bet there's a lot of people. Drag owes mother doesn't talk to. Drag. Oh, like what the fuck. Yeah. So. Yeah. Like so after drug lost day like all of Russia. Sad. Yeah. And so then empathize with his experience like rough as opposed to just being broken Russian piece of shit. Yeah. I don't need. What's with that guy? Yeah. Anyway. People people random shit during this show. Andrew don't worry about it. I like it. You don't have to handle it can stand up. What you just move on? Nicky. What was the last movie? You saw a star is born. Impression hair thought face. No. I really thought that I thought lady Gaga. I just thought her I didn't love it. I gave it a solid B minus. I don't know. I wasn't swept away in it. I just thought they had amazing chemistry. Definitely think they've had sex. Like one hundred percent sure that Bradley Cooper and lady Gaga bad socks. 'cause we kept the dog. Right. What he did that? The dog so much. I'm gonna take it home with me. Holds. Scene. Of course, you fall in love with that dog. We're all supposed to like, oh my God. He's such as a guy. The dog. Like, of course, everything else said that he liked he took home dog. I have. No, I have. No, I just their chemistry was off the charts. And it was just the way she talks about them on the talk shows. You're just like something went down. So I like that about it. I can your monkey your Gog on Prussian. About about Bradley Cooper. And how great he is. You know? Well, the thing about proudly as one hundred hundred people can be in a room and one person does it most of the people in that room. Go know what the fuck you're talking about with this analogy over and over. But if one person does. Bradley Cooper, Bradley Cooper. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you. So very bucks. I just try to jazzy. Like. You know that song by friend. My friends Stephen Faulk brought this up on Twitter that saw line is the deep end deep. I don't I lot been what really she says leap in. And it's about a pool you fucking dive in don't leave into a pool. Defend watches. I dive in. You're right about that. You asshole. That's just crazy to me. You don't you should dive into a pool dangerous, especially but the shallow pool. But you turn the more you hit. Well, hopefully. I don't know you know, that Bill like the thing that bothered. Let me just say a couple of things because I just got beef with this movie that everyone finds so perfect. Okay. She sings like two lines in a parking lot. Like, he writes, a whole salt around. Then she is like I don't want to sing. And she goes out in knows the whole songs that she did it right with like he wrote us that was unbelievable. It's more amazing that he knows all the words to saw she told him in a parking about because he's the one that's fucked up all the time. She's been thinking about her songs. So many I could I could keep going. But yeah, did you like it? What? Oh, you did. We saw once though I got to go through that that weird period where it's like on airplanes. And I watch it too many. I should watch it again. I mean, I guess it was I don't know. I just there were so many moments where she was like he's chasing her all down like trying to get her to come tour with them. And it's like any girl in her position. Would be like, yeah, let's do it. And that she's like putting up such a fight. And that she goes to work and one person says one like she puts on her clothing. She's pushing them out the door. She's like, no. I don't wanna go with you could stop leave me alone. She goes to work it takes one her boss to be like while you're kinda late. She's like I'm leaving at like what? Okay. You wanted to go by this Bill that was for nothing just go. I could've left. We could've saved twenty minutes. If you just went like you wanted to don't let your golden parachute get called the door on the way. I think that. Lead. Yeah. We're Golder zone of okay. Okay. Home. Like, yeah. Put it was pretty aggressive traveled a long way to be here. She came from Arizona settled down. To zone. I mean, anyway, all right, right. That was a great latest movie round up a lot of tips different tests. The first time that's gotten applause at the end of it. But this is the pie. Why say? Dear Tacoma comedy club. If we bring up the house lights just a little bit. Oh perfect. Lots of. Feast is on the. How you guys are going to do it. So I if you have to pick one name, there's so many good ones pick one and bring it back to your seat while you do that. We're going to go to brief commercial break. We'll be right back. Hey, there new sponsors this episode. So I'll just talk about me 'em Las Vegas who was coming to see Doug loves movies at the real hotel comedy cellar in Las Vegas. This sunday. January twenty seventh at four twenty show of hands. I can't see you. Also coming up, and I'm very excited about it on April nineteenth at the Royal Oak theater in Royal Oak, Michigan. I'm doing my annual. Countdown to four twenty show. It starts around ten fifteen pm and then at midnight. We'll do a countdown to four twenty and then we'll go outside and do you know what? And I'm also very excited to say that my four twenty show this year is going to be on Saturday April twentieth at the Wilbur theatre in Boston Massachusetts place that recently went. Recreational marijuana. So I couldn't be more excited about that. All right. Back to the show. All right. We're back. We did it good. Good job. Everybody. Always so many good name tags here, you guys never disappoint. And I appreciate that. But let's start with just in what you end up with this one was tweeted at me, I think by someone named chief wacky do and it is my face. So immediately I'm down for that. And then it says TJ to Doug mid day or Dutchman day and then just candy. So it's also like amazing. Dutchman day is day. Luke out for document day. You'll close to me now. Great jobs. Lots of candy on the two. Who you play for Andrew avengers Infinity? Chris. What? Come on. Have you seen this? Why where's the stop? So weird. Why are you just wiggling out? There you go to go to the Glades. All right. Having fun, actually. Who wants to be figured? That looks great. See that for a second. Find the other failures. Thank you. You wanna put it there? You want to like it? Okay. Cool. I didn't know what you were doing for want anybody's hand to be in that thing right now. I gotta show to do the way you're working that thumb. Holy christ. People need to pay attention. I'm sorry. I I mean, this club already has better lighting on the to heckling it's up in the corner. Tacoma is dim as shit. I got. Stupid. Stupid like Joe. Oh, lighting everywhere. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's not that. It's like every store you go in it. Just feels like a coup guy's dorm. Ru. Everything's low lit in this town, every place near should have the head you reading glasses when you walk. Because the lighting is very low. And it's this curls out of love to talk about it's bad here. But I have never noticed. I only noticed today. Andrew and I were walking in. There was a smell of human poop that was probably human. Yeah. I think she's talking about the smell of human fish. No. I haven't noticed that. Tacoma, a Rome. Okay. Stunning. Let's say if you could make anything run people are gonna love you. All right here. We go. This is beautiful. Melissa's doubtfire. Just send this to be earlier. And showed me this. Maybe just amazing Photoshop and I've never felt so beautiful as I do on Sally fields body and face just like my face on her face. So I was like, wow. I look mazing. Yeah. It's a line pretty. Yeah. But I love it. I love it. Yeah. Throw that they're throw them all down on the floor, actually. They're just so just the artwork is so good is tracked. It's true. Kick mind, we got a show to do here for some games. And this I won this. First one is called. Swift justice. Normally, I don't like to play games favor any particular guests, but Nikki doesn't win this one. I'll be surprised. I'm going to read the IMDB description of a movie that happens to have the same title unrelated to a Taylor swift song. Fuck. I was nervous. A lot of Taylor swift songs lineup with movie titles. And this is one of them. Just guesses often as you'd like and the person who gets it. Right. I wins. Do you have any guesses? Nikki now. Yes. I do. I do. What's your pre guests began again? Oh, yes. That is a movie. But no, that's not the one. They chose today. You know, what this is? I'm almost out of disadvantage because I know so many of her songs that it's like too many things to choose from. No that's not going to sell. I'm not going to sell never mind. Hey, if there's folks sitting around this lady keeps talking could you ask your stop? All right. Let's do this. Let's do. Android. You have a previous. Yeah. Back to December. Keep no. The deep cut. Even the name of one of her songs. It is back to. Yeah. Don't you guys when I was gonna ask you to try to say it, but he went right into. There is no have trouble sleeping. Playing back thinking about while you leave. About some or all those beautiful what from the passengers? I'm going to waver. Taylor swift. All right. All right. Let's do that. Okay. Are you ready for it? Yeah. But the title of a movie. Although I will watch a movie called are you ready for? I sure better be dancing and better be in VR. Here we go. This is Taylor swift song. That's also a movie don't don't yell out guesses from the audience, please and alien orphan. Mac and me. I wish there was a Taylor swift song called nine any fucking Taylor swift song. So I'm just going with this say, but that's a Katy Perry song. Really and alien orphan is said from his dying planet to earth where he grows up to become managerial his adoptive homes. First and greatest. Superhero? Superman. Yeah. Jesus. I don't even know. She does have a sequel. I'm literally cannot name a Taylor swift song. No. But you know movies. That's awesome. It was fun. Nikki, well, it's gonna be rough from your on. My only chance to shine. God. Yeah. We've been playing Justice for a while in the show. Now, we've gone through all of them. I think I think I haven't done begin again yet though. So do that. If the guests are people that don't listen to the show. But now we're gonna play this is special just for today. It's great that Justin Robinson just one this first game. Because this next game is called meet the Robinsons. Sweet. You're going to go first Justin, then Andrew, then NICKY. And you're each going to bid on how many Douglas podcasts been going for about a little over a decade. Now say a little over. I mean few years over. I know right. It's crazy. In all of those years. We'll start with us in closest without going over wins. How many guests on the show have had the last name Robinson? Think about it in your head all the famous Robinsons and all the ones that would agree to this. And then give us a number Justin Robbins. And of course, it's obviously there's at least one because you're here. Justin robinson. This is true. I'm going to say six he's going six. Yeah. Now is this prices right style closest without going over. All right. So yes, six what do you think Andrew? I first name Robinson or no. You know, it's funny. You should mention that it should count. But it doesn't 'cause I had Robinson Crusoe on once Roberson. And I was like, well, I don't believe that expression. No man is an island because you're here. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go with. Go with nine nine. Nobody agrees with that. Terrible. Be right. What do you think? I why was gonna go with all take the right under five six six. Go five then. Because I think it's going to be three. I mean, it is without going one its without going over just say one. Bullshit bullshit. Right. This right. That was so amateur. I apologize soul. Attacked and I go. Go back to. He wants that seven in me. Okay. Stick with also have seven now. The real loser. Either way. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm hearing a loser. There. It's a lose lose. Two at best. What are you? If you've been listening. All right. Let me break it down for you guys. So exciting. Justin robertson. Heretic day recently, first time guests on the show. Becky Robinson, good. She taught me to do a impression of Jennifer Coolidge. Oh, wow. Really? Well, did it and I just went. Oh, yeah. That's how you doing. Oh, wow. You love him on the office Craik, rob it said. That's three. He did it before he became a movie star. But he did it after doing my show from love Simon. Nick Robinson was a guest on Douglas movies. That's four and then who listens to Star Wars minute podcast nerd. I mean, I'm grateful. There was at least one. So thank you. Yeah. That shows of course, co hosted by Alex Robinson, and that brings the grand total to five rob. Nine wins. Good. Even Robinson can't keep track of so many just all over all over the place. I used to think I was related to all of them like football and everything. Yeah. Twenty-three in me and you're like sorely mistaken. Pretty much. That's what you. You gotta be invited got to be invited to be related. You've gotta be related to some of them. Right. I have no idea. Maybe sure having the last name. I think gets you there a little bit. I do fall everyone who's named. Justin Robinson on Twitter. That's fine. Just to kind of creep him out. Yeah. They'll talk to him. And it'd be like a other me how you doing? We're kind of save name like, I know. That's so weird. Yeah. I go a different route. Everybody has a name Doug Benson. I murder them. Like, the one aren't any left tax don't make anymore. I hope there's no more because I'll do. I'll be the first person they call. Where were you the night that the person you threat, the guy? Guy. You're gonna do that Boyce when talking to the dick. So I think it's good when police are interrogating him to try and sound like a Muffin. Right. I was on stage last night. And didn't know that those things were there until I was on Saint to the freaked me out. So. I try to do my joke. But looking and trying to get more information about what was happening over there. Yeah, they're both. They both have their hands. Folded like they're praying that the comedy is going to be good data. Learn waldorf. After hotels, and right and one of them has fucking Christmas had on stage. Don't you guys have a ladder? Or does he prefer to hurt? War. Good. I don't know if you does about me, but. But I'm trying to become an impression. I really really working on my impression is that. Wow. Oh. Last man stead. All right. So this is the game that's going to determine it all whoever wins this game. Someone's gonna go home with all these bags of stuff, courtesy of all of us. I have I have it thrown donate a second who wants Dona. Yeah. It's called putting it hands. Nikki would you like to throw Donut? Yes. There's no way it's too dim in here. It's too stupid in here. That's not what I meant. I hit the guy. All right. Hey, don't worry about Justin's just because it's been on the floor. All right in the back. Don't worry about it. I try to win. Sorry, guys. Probably should've loved it a little bit. There got a little. Got a little bit on that one. All right bring the lights for that. But. Thank you. There's a few more left in there. What do you call? These mickey. Doughnuts. Yeah. It's very easy. Right. Do people. Call don. That's what's Arnold always thought growing up to these are called Donets. So that's what I call them. Now. It really is a door -able. All right. So the game last man, STAN audience knows how it works explained to you guys. Real quick. I'm gonna get the name of maybe one maybe two who knows maybe three actors and actresses. And then all four of us have to make turns make turn Kurds. All right. Come on. You guys make attorney let's make some turn change your life right now. No, we're gonna take turns naming movies that those people have been in two can't think of when you're out. But also, you have your lifeline. You can go to you can go to what's his name. Justin, TJ TJ. Yes. You can go to TJ. Mickey can go to Melissa Chris Andrew can talk to the head. Great. That here this guy. What's his name? Chris. Oh, it is Chris. Reich it he took the tarleton thunder toy in added tape to it with his name. That's what sold me. It was. Yeah. Yes. Pretty impressive engineering for your Washington sanely, expensive collector's item. I have at home. You have. I actually have that at home. Yeah. It's really cool. That's like somebody on hoarders pointing to pile of garbage collectors item. All right. Where is she? Where's grit city chick? Yeah. Hi, what's grit city? That's tacoma. Yep. It's the great city. Change your name to t t town chick. Hell, yeah. Did down dim city. Cool. Sounds like a horror movie, I don't wanna watch Tim city. Town where all food is presented on carts. Then city. What are you? What's your actual name grit city? Check. Michelle. Okay. And what's your suggestion today for last man Stanton? Jeff gold. Ladies love. That's pretty good one. I got to look at the panel. Where's your confidence level on Goldblum? Andrews not feeling entirely. I want to create a safe space for Andrew. I I know you know, who he is. I know we the tall guy. Yeah. Thanks. Thanks, bro. Let's get another name just to just so we have have a backup here. Whereas. Whoa. All right money. I didn't expect someone named bunny to be so. So swell. Spe-? I wanna make sure I have the right one. Do you spell it? I good. I. Eighty. Why why why that's how you spell? It. Can I see an ID? All right bunny. What's your actual name, buddy? Listen, man. Wow. That's her name. Dickey? Babysitter your kids. Yeah. Okay. So this is a long time ago. Not recently, I babysit for Muslim in and I can do a pretty good, Leslie Mann, and she talk like this. TV like what she she was awesome. They were cool. Yeah. This is the line from welcome. Welcome to win say, what's with all these dolls? What's what's with all these dolls? That's pretty good. I don't even know the showing. Okay, buddy. This lady's yelling at me. Wait what I'm still ios stuff? Okay. Bunny? Oh. You know, what you're going to say. Are you going to say, Leslie, man, what's six? Planning through. She picked. That's not her name. I asked you what you real. That's an actor. I thought bunny was Leslie man, I saw I said what is your real name and yelled you, Leslie, man. But that's not got ahead of yourself. I'm sure you smoked a lot of weed. I'm very proud of you. But I need you to focus. Not pick such a shitty. Name. Leslie van is just too. Okay. I love Judd. And Leslie says hi to be sometimes so. Right. Can you picture it? Like, I'm judge friend. You know, you just got worked into it had to be okay. Okay. So we've got Leslie. Jeff goldblum. Let me look at the panel. I don't think you're feeling better. Thanks, Leslie, Mann addition. I didn't know all right. I got I for three. I exciting game. I want everyone to have a chance where is? Queen L Qasr play. Clean out. Where are you at? Oh, I could see you high side section over here. It's really guys. So people sitting over there can't see you at all. So just talking into the void. But what's your name real name, Jennifer? And why did you call yourself that? Queen L costly. Don't you have to dress up as specific person when you're cost playing? And do so many different people that she has her own name place. Oh, no. All right. Nice. And who's your suggestion for today? Really? Do you? Do you have any that are less dead? Man, just kidding around. Because Brittany Murphy's dot going to hear it. Okay. So I'm sure that didn't help fell as much but today, we're gonna play films of Brittany Murphy. Leslie, man, Jeff Goldblum. Mickey you won that last game. So you gotta go first then Andrew then Justin then me I like to play along. And don't forget about your lifeline. I recommend using it early. But I'm crazy like that. What do you got Nikki clueless? Lead off the Leslie man, I was little forty year over surprised. I think Mickey is saving those Leslie man's to really clean up at the end. Justin, the fly. Jeff. Okay. That's how we're going to play. It. Do you ever when Jeff Goldblum was described earlier as tall guy? Yeah. He's in a movie called the tall guy. No way. That is so fun. Title, even the Brown. Yeah. Quite wait. What? There's people try to say it's the tall, man. But I disagree. It's my show. Back to you. Nikki ladies talking again. This is forty forty those. Did you see that movie? Keep who's right Paul or Leslie. I don't remember the plot line enough to wait. Upset that they made her more more terrible than she needed to be. Remember, I feel like Joe actually wrote down things that Leslie said to him. When you see somebody say, that's Paul Rudd. You're like come on. Paul road, you talk. You don't talk to my Paul Rudd like that. We all do feel like keep we like, he's hours. Yeah. There's nothing. He can do roses sweetheart clueless. Okay. Back to that. Again, Andrew eight mile. Oh. Nice. Just it knocked up. We man. Oh, I have to say cause I just saw in it's nuts. Welcome tomorrow in. Yeah movies. We're. The cable guy. Yeah. Oh fuck. The cable, man. Cable, dude. You got this Andrew oh independence day. Jeff. I was like those ladies word in that. To sin city ready. Murphy. Full title. No. That was the full title of the first one. No, I think there was more words even in the first one it was. All right settled down. Thanks, guys. Intense. Care for that. What was that one where she was all like? And he was like sorry every movie. Oh, yeah. Rhetorical. I wasn't. Was it hoping for actual answers? I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go deep Jeff Goldblum and say invasion of the body snatchers. George the jungle. Photo. It's not it's not like sex and the city towards in the jungle. No, it's not. It's not most part. Georgia. Yeah. That makes more sense George in the jungle passer-by. Got it. Thank you. You're good. You're not gonna win. Anyway. I know. Who address? Yeah. Shit you use your lifeline? Curse. Chris. What do you got? You're a Toronto. Yeah. Drastic part. Jurassic park. Yeah. I guess I should have been more more clear that movies were Jeff all has a certain open count. Just in Jurassic world. You could do that. Stepper down. I say clueless to then. Then you would be out. You gotta make sure they were actually in the sequel. For you say. I'm gonna go with long as we're talking sexy. Joel George Jeff Goldblum in the jungle. I like I like the say always. But I think he was at its peak in a movie called nine months. Nice. Yeah. Grant was like, hey, I'm the skinny one settled down. Mickey. Seventeen again. Thank you. I liked that movie not gonna lie to you. So good. It's really it is Leslie man's graded it. Yeah. Matthew Perry's great at it, briefly Thomas leadin screen. It's just it's really if you wanna watch a movie about children. That's not annoying. Seventeen again skip that old George Burns shit eighteen again. They need a really good job with the remake reboot. Andrew you already. Chris. Do it twice once. But what did he say? Do you? Remember what he said when you went to Chris. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I said it already. Yeah. What did he say Jurassic Har Har Har he said Jurassic world? Yeah. Leave leaving a lot of Jurassic table Jurassic five. One dollars. That would be the right answer on. Doug loves hip. Hop. The jungle Jurassic your. Jurassic? Drazek Dono Jurassic me help you out. He's not in drastic park three. Okay. That's only one is not. Back. Replay college. I did. Justed? I getting it. Right drastic to the lost world. It's fucked up at that wants fucked up the title because it's they don't do it. There's no to and they do it out of order Stoudt say you guys. But do you have your switch something else you are to your life? I'll just go to something else than guardians of the galaxy. Okay. Wait, which wasn't that? Guardians of the galaxy volume two. All too. Are you gonna say fall too? Yeah. He's a he's a you're right. That was close. I don't know. What you do it over there? Jesus. I don't know why you weren't just say Thor ragnarok. 'cause I was thinking of the wrong movie. Yeah. You do see him in the second guardians. Go ahead. Nikki uptown girls. Britney? Yeah. That was good. Justin. Came back at you fast way. Too. Fast, lifeline, TJ, hell TJ. What do you got? Girl, Interrupted by Britney. Murphy was in. That's right, you, okay. So I'm going to say stick into Brittany Murphy. I'm gonna go with oh shit. What was that? She said it in the movie. I'm not gonna tell that's not it though. Right. I fucked it up I'm out. Mickey out. Yeah. No way. I said it wrong. You did. Said George of the jungle or okay, you're out to. I just want you to. I wo-. It's okay. For me to be on with anyway. New york. Okay. Wow. What I was talking about. Now, it's one where she's like in a psych ward. And she's like she knows who murdered somebody. But she won't say don't say just a. Wow. No idea. Jurassic world, default when kingdom. I'm hoping he's in it. I have no take one word out dress world fallen kingdom, really. Nikki you ever gone to Melissa yet. Have you? No good at all. Right. Save it. If you got another one, I don't okay, go to Melissa. Hotel of hotel. Which ones? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He is. What just to? Nothing. I got nothing. Really, really? Yeah. See? Stay. Oh my God. Never won anything. Have never won anything the opposite of dancing with the stuff. Yeah. I know I was on dancing with the stars. I got I voted off. And now I've won and its redemptive. Thank you so much Melissa come get your stuff. Get out. Get your blue. Melissa. Yeah. Come on down near front of this. How do you get everything? Thanks. She gets all of awesome. No. I don't know. Hey, you two. Yeah. We've got the same look. Yeah. Yeah. Keep it. Thank you so much joy. Justed passed me your name tag. If you could tell us what you'd like to plug list. Weekday mornings if you're in the Seattle area, you can listen to me Monday through Friday, six to ten AM on Jay and MIGS on ninety nine point nine w. Six forty seven eight forty seven. You can hear me ask questions. And then also I've got a geeky podcast with the show with a BJ called geek nation where you get to talk about a lot of geeky shit. So please subscribe to that on all of your stuff. Yeah. I don't know where the speaker is on. This thing though is they didn't one of the fingers. Yeah. Put your hand in your hand. Anyway, it makes some scary noise. Sounds like a storms come in. Someone's gonna joke off like they never have before. I mean, that's Edrich call and what have you got to plug, dude? Just go to my Instagram, Andrew t Colin, and then I have a podcast called happy never after. And then on Nikki show you up when the Glazer every Wednesday. It's great channel ninety five Sirius XM. Thank you a lot of fun. I mean, you took one of Nikki's plugs. But that's cool. Yeah. I'll give him another plug. He's seriously. So funny on Instagram. Andrew t Colin you should really follow him. Yeah. He was great here today. Funny. Stand up is so funny. He's opening for all my tour dates I am on the road every single weekend across America until like the end of summer. So go to my website, Niculae's dot com. And check out what I'm going to be in your city. Come see me. Is this a reference to you Andrew? No, that's a reference to your show reference to my show. I mean it fits. Where are you one of those before? Yeah. On with you not with me. Hope not you've been an intern. Yeah. I think everyone has no. We have a gentleman right here in the witness box went, right? This is we do to kill a Mockingbird say differed action here very easily. Or or four angry men? Don't do four Dame. Angry men. Do I one don't go. That's what you get good people participate in a good way. Get a Donut. To hear that. He really thought it was going to give the. Heckler kate. Ward for yelling out as I am doing. Yeah. Out. Love it. Take you to the Tacoma comedy club. Yeah. All you guys. Thank you for showing up every time and one more time for I guess, Justin Robinson address pollen Glazer. He likes to get out of here early. To beat beat the traffic. As always the Lakers are shit. And this was just weird timing. Andrew the former intern is a shit. Dealing. Room.

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March Madness Betting Strategies

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March Madness Betting Strategies

"Sports gambling podcast is brought to you. By my bookie dot AG. The official online sports of the sports gambling podcasts. Use the promo code S. G P fifty for a fifty percent deposit bonus today. The sports gambling pack has partnered up with play ball dot com for our March madness bracket challenge free to enter and one hundred thousand dollars for a perfect bracket. Join over at sports gambling podcast dot com slash madness. Smart scaling pack is also brought to you by vist a digital exchange that lets you invest in and trade sports teams. Like stocks FanFest is launching a free March madness portfolio challenge on selection Sunday with a five thousand dollar cash prize for the winning portfolio sign up for free at fan. Best wagering exchange dot com to instantly receive a thousand fan bucks. Welcome everyone to the sports gambling podcasts. I'm shown stack them on agreeing with my partner and picks. Right. Real money. Kramer, what's up Kramer? What's up, Sean? Well, it's up man. Everything's up, Sean. Yeah. What does that mean? Well, golden Tate. Golden Tate has been signed by the New York football giants before we get to that. Let's welcome on insidious. It's March madness we got the database. It's called me. Oh, man. What a great time of year despite me losing some of these locks. That you know, I started getting on the Kobe train. I went over to my bookie data AG deposited using bitcoin. I was I was honestly shocked. How quick it was in there because I was in my coin. Now, I'm going to sound like a company guy here. Obviously, I was in coin base in it's still said pending, and then I clicked over to my bookie, and it was all ready in there with a sweet, you know, I added the promo code gotta sweep fifty percent deposit bonus. And then you lost on couple locks at ahead that we're double digit winning by double digits in the second half. Right. This is hitting into your eventual release from the show. No. It's it's great. I mean, not losing. Money's not great. But it is March madness are came through. Yeah. That was that was awesome. San Diego State Penn State. I had a little taste. That was my big big ten prediction to get get on them at like forty five to one shown young careful talking about having a little taste. We might wanna pull that Gus fig act, but they they went down to overtime. And I got dammit. I love the way that team played. It's a it's a real change. Because I they had that perfect Cinderella format. I'm just all in like took a long lunch at work today. Go to Buffalo Wild way saw a soda post soaking up, some b-dubs great beer. Well, I'm not gonna pay. If I'm taking a long company launch also not gonna post me drinking drinking coffee, but is the podcast afraid of rain. Calories. Mostly off calories. It was first off. It was eighty cent boneless wings. Buffalo Wild Wings, and Sean. What can we do have some breaking news? Really actual breaking news. Breaking turns out Kobe. Oh love. This turns out. Mike francesa listens to the podcast. Well, checking out our I two. Great. And I'm like what a one star. What did he say immediately on my, oh, what did I do wrong? Oh my God. Well, of course, you remember? This is great. I I mentioned that Mike francesa might be a little racist. Because he was very giddy over the fact that hotel Beckham's asks was outta town. Yeah. One star review titled garbage. By goodfellas twenty four had March thirteenth two thousand nineteen just relaxed Koby. Enjoy the poetry all all the one idiot. Does is curse a lot and think it's funny or emphasizes lame take. And then he likes to call any old white guy racist for nonsense. They never give winners or good angles. Last time listening dash unsubscribe, and man we lost garbage two hundred thousand dollars. So doesn't Mike francesa goes by the alias goodfellas? Twenty four this is so this is based off Ryan last pod. Going hard on Mike francesa. Do you know that though, I know Kobe? Okay. Why else would be upset over? Head. Why else would be? Maybe watching college basketball. I've lost a lot of money on. I see what you're going. I see listen, it's. Yes. So that concludes that Sean, well, listen, I if if you don't want us to be run outta town with these horrible Mike for Sesa related reviews. You got to clean out or slate. Give us some sweet five stars. It's March madness man, we crave you heard the fan wagering exchange. They're giving away five thousand dollars. We got a play ball to they're giving away five thousand dollars for the refer the winning bracket thousand of the winning bracket hundred thousand for a perfect bracket. Got my bookie given out stuff. All this. We got to keep the contract train rolling. And that is one of the things we gotta do is. We got to give ourselves some good. I tune reviews. We always appreciate that. And. This is the March madness. Betting strategies podcast. We're gonna talk to a couple couple pros professional handicappers spread investor our own Christian Pena from the sports gambling pass network. And then we'll break down. Our nuggets are trends. The stuff we've accumulated from years of betting on March man sin. If you guys wanna take part you want to cash in on the picks. I mean conference tournament action is it's already buy juices are flowing my head with eating felt like I was on drugs. Fanshawe's great. It's wonderful. This time of year wonderful to work for a company that like our main job is TV. Yes. TV's everywhere. Well, Ryan, and we also work for a company whose main job is gambling in that. As my bookie. Daddy, g get that. Sweet fifty percent deposit boats using the promo code S G P fifty their model over there. It's pretty simple play win most importantly last. But not least Toby what is it? You got to get. Paid. That's right. Joining us on the my bookie dot AG hotline is James Alberino from spread investor. You can follow me on Twitter at spread investor. What's happened to man? Guys doing good time of the year. Happy March madness now you're already out there in Las Vegas is that right? Yeah. I got here yesterday and the crowd starting to file in a lot more crowded on Thursday and sports books are pretty booming. So it's fun. I'm jealous. I'm driving out next. You'll be here. You'll be out here. What this coming out? I'm coming out. I I don't know the Dan the database may be joining me, but I plan on leaving Los Angeles around ten o'clock on Wednesday morning. Great. Mewing out all the quote equipment. John. Well, so all right. Let's let's get into it. Have you have you gotten pretty deep into the conference tournament action? So far. I have a lot of what I'm noticing so far and you got picked up on this. But the teams that won yesterday. A lot of them have come out that strong first half. And then they flamed out in the second half. It seems to be the theme of today and you'll see Kamara a lot of that applying for a third day in a row. They'll get tired. You can either look at angles for the under or look to shave those underdogs in the second half life. Yeah. I notice. In particular. I follow you on Twitter. Follow the Instagram stuff. And it does seem like you're more active in the first half second half market than some of these other guys is that is that something you've picked up over the years. Yeah. You know, the market for the first half or not as officiant as. You know, full games. Everyone's looking at the full game spread there's a lot of tickets on the task that you have certain team. But you know, we're gonna come firing out whether it's their off a bad loss or the other side of the spectrum there really firing and they got a lot of momentum. So some of these teams and some play well statistically in the first half. So I'll always look at that. And you get cheaper number two. Twenty minutes is enough time for chalk to cover, you know, four point lead people just like stay away from it. But says definitely value. It does seem especially if you're going chock in the conference tournament or Chuck early on in the in the main tournament there the first half has some value because you don't have to worry about. Hey, you know, Aleve getting too big or some late bullshit fouls. Adjusting the number throws. Yeah. That's really they're not you don't have to the great thing about a first half bed. Is you don't have to worry whether or not they're going to intentionally foul, and it's hard. In the NBA game. Let alone a college game. There's no consistency team two team on like what the rule is. Hey, if you're up eight are you still going to have some teams Wilson teams won't it's really tough to track. Some of these team. It's embarrassing embarrassing, dude fine. Just when you foul down thirteen with a minute deck, and it's like, come on, just go pack your bag. If you're also with college players, there's so many that are bad free throw shooters. I still say failed play the chances man, there is absolutely nothing worse than taking one of those like minus eight and a half second round matchups between a one and eight and next thing, you know, down the stretch free. Throws the number one number one seed. Nope can make all the free throws. They're going. They're going fifty percent each time and bullshit backdoor. Covers that I too like the first half showing as you know, so minimize your your variants. Yeah. It really does. And and and like like, you James to say, and there's really opportunity to. You know, some of these teams know other gonna come out, and yeah, you can really take advantage to that. What kind of stuff are you looking for in these conference tournaments? They are going to use to the actual tournament going forward. I think that are playing a lot better defensively. Now is going on teams turned it up an option, you know, the the sense of urgency that the season's coming up looking for teams that are really peaking right now. Because it's a sport where you can get by and make noise and get national attention and and make waves in this tournament in a single torn amount. If you're coming in playing a good stretch of five six games. So you gotta really look at some of these teams in like nothing is going gonna make, but you know, to apply the topic for the breslin comes over big win verse Iowa, and then they come in and and beat Maryland today, just because they're hot. So there's definitely some crossover with copper forment to Mark Venice. I hope they make it man. They've got they've got some bad luck the past couple of years with a bunch of injuries. Yes. Now when you're when you're as far as these defensive teams is there anyone in the conference tournament right now, that's jumping out at you that you're seeing like, oh, man. They're playing much better defense than I would've thought. Or if they get into the tournament. They have a low ceiling because their offense is pretty limited. But if they win the Pac twelve their defense has been unbelievable five games. They've helped teams to fifty two points per game during this five game win streak. They'll Washington a forty seven hold our state the fifty one. And as we're talking right now are eighty three points on UCLA right now. So that's impressive. Look for teams that you know. Like a decent. Do they play particular south? They play really good. Do. They play a really difficult press. And then you have to plug that into their matchup for the real tournament. And and look at okay this team typically gets by with inside presence as opposed to outside shooting. They may struggle vs on. And you really gotta look at the the matchups itself that's Sunday night. In addition to just what the statistics are saying From Compass ornaments, and and a little beyond my hokies are one of those teams that if the though the wrong team gets matched up against them. They have the chance to dispose destroy amid major team, but also get destroyed. So I agree. I mean, I I'm we'll we'll get our stuff with a little bit later, Sean. But I do I wanted to sell selfishly ask what what's your take? My Virginia Tech hokies. You know, they they have the most wins in school history, and the ACC really impressive shoot the lights out of the ball. The death is an issue, and you know, in this ornament, you're going to have to face the team that prevents them. They're so relying on the three ball in certain games. But they'd be played good defense. I think today verse Florida's day. It was impressive book. What do you far to stay too? Big shots at the end of the game. And an overtime. I feel like Virginia Tech has over team so much Justin Robinson. They're the type of team that they could really do wellness tornament the first weekend in advance the Sweet Sixteen if they get hot. It's just they have to get hot in the first week. Well, the way things have been going for Ryan the sports load a little bit right now. God damn it. The the giants traded Beckham Virginia heart rancor how many weeks of beating Miami. And losing Florida state. So, but hey, John's decide golden Tate's. Things are looking up for the G men now. Did you see my comments started? James is fig. Do you go golden Tate? Should you see my note on Twitter show? Now, what did you say giants they figured they would motivate ally by bring in a guy to fuck. His wife. That'll get them fired up, man. That's that's that's that's the end of the box thinking that you've come to know and love with Dave Gettleman. And sure I don't know if you see this. But I'm actually wearing a giants shirt shirt today. I got my got my giants t shirt today still showing solidarity still. I I was actually scoping out. Some fire Gettleman shirts today that's got to happen. Anyway, we digress. Getting back to March madness James, I know you're great about putting out these guides with a ton of information ton of analysis ton of stats all over there at your website spread investor dot com. What can we look forward to in the March madness gut? Guys got a whole bunch of stats anything from a team's win law up your versus top fifty their distance to the first round the second round coaches record in the tournament. Ken palm ranking the fish defensive efficiency turnovers per game free throw rate, especially a lot of that. The average guy would look handicap the game then pull from three four five different sites. This eventually that on steroids packed into excel spreadsheet, and then on top of that you got friends that you want to look at the teams that are hot coming tournament and team better ice cold coming in that you wanna fade or over under trend that a really telling an off the number in the market because team peaking and maybe the plane better defense physically good guy to get you through the tournament, and you know, not only for brackets, but a. Beth early on as well, Sean. You know, I'm a big fan of both numbers. And yet she this is Ryan. Sheets an organization he was getting fired up. He had a Gus Gazza over there. No, it's one of those things. I really I really enjoy the fact that you know, it it does take time to build a nice spreadsheet. James this man, James question for you on your tornament. Like, hi, how are you going to pick teams? Like, do you base anything off of off the court issues like LSU what's happening with LSU or what's happening? I mean TCU's been involved in this thing as well as as much as Kansas. So do you are does that hold any water for your pick on? No doubt. Yeah. Then in time the microphones are only going to be more than press conference and the kids you get more questions than if wait nineteen twenty year old kids. So you gotta look at that LSU circle Florida tomorrow. Arta isn't distracted like LSU right now. Florida's are sticking overtime. Yeah. I it could affect conference then the real ornament. Yeah. I'm kind of the same opinion. I saw on Kim poem saying that he had Bradley playing LSU. I mean, this is a hypothetical, obviously. But I instantly was was like, oh, man. I'm all over that to fifteen match LSU is they become the nobody believes in team that somehow becomes. So so talked about a negative fashion. They become incredibly underrated win one for way. I think I think her way to like that kind of rallies that LSU Louisiana. They thrive on Russia. Be right. Yeah. He's they're trying to cast blue chips to LeBron's going to be. They're looking for some Space Jam extras. Now now James before we let you go definitely want to get your what I know. It's tough the brackets aren't out yet. But what is one bold prediction team was bracket, y seed wise, whatever it is what's one thing that jumps out at you already that you you feel confident in in as far as turnament prediction. I'm going to the money line on Wofford in the first game. And if the events in the second run as well thinking, the Sweet Sixteen is a really good team from southern conference Twenty-one knowing in the southern conference on the Lebanon one against the spread run. Cameron Jackson and pleasure McGee who really good players on that squad. I could make noise ornament and they'll be anywhere from seven to nine seat. I think obviously Vegas starting to get you onto them with that type of began to spread run. But I still think the more will be caught up not they've covered the spread in this run by almost nine points per game and the twelve game so definitely gonna be value on them. And even if sharps know about Lawford ninety seven percent of people who were feeling brackets probably more than that at never seen that y for player dribble a basketball this year. So there might still be value offered. Awesome multi chocolate snack, right? At the desert, the cosmopolitan room service. All right. Well, awesome. James? Thanks for calling in makes you check him out on Twitter at spread investor spread investor dot com. And yeah. Hope to hang out with you out in Vegas, man. Good luck out there. Yeah. We'll connect next week when you get in and try to link up for sure man, look. Got good luck later. Awesome segment was spread investor makes you a check them out online. And make sure you join our March madness bracket challenge. That's right. S? She we've partnered up with play Balto dot com. 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What's happened to mitt longtime? No Sieg is I- DFS. Coz, I don't talk to you for two months now. Now share you only want me at the primetime spas and see how this relationship is going now. Question. How much how much did you guys pay Gettleman? Not enough serious question. These these man that is just been it's just really I just talked to spread investor, and he's also he's also New York area guy, but tough tough week in particular for Ryan with the the hokies going down back getting traded tough times. Everything sucks. Thank you. Arpita Alabel checks hanging out on a beach in the middle of free agencies things are status quo. And but in Boston land that show was hilarious. He's like diving into the water where where the hell was he the cockiest move. I've ever seen in my life. And I live for all also it's it's pretty Larry like what short end of the straw, you in the paparazzi thing where you end up covered Bill. So you okay. Hey, let's see we got all these models, supermodel. I think Bill Bella check might be shirtless somewhere. Rubel how desperately they just taking photos of let the guy I gotta give it to the guy. He's like in his mid sixties jumping into fucking ocean. He married or. He's he's he's married blonde with him at every Celtics game. But didn't he break? Is it a second wife? Yeah. It's the second life. Yeah. She's she's younger, but not like Bob Kraft young like, she's not she's not like comically young. But you see all the picture. I don't think we've talked about this all the pictures of the the owner of that massage parlor with Trump. I did with the world. I'm going all in on Trump. Hey, listen, you know? Donald Trump is this guy Florida business guys going to network with some other Florida business owners, right? Wait is such a world that we can even imagine when it comes to the one percent of the world of Donald Trump and Robert crafts in this Madam is just in it to win it, and I had Meyer her business savvy. I mean, you think she's owner of a four forty nine ninety nine. But yet she's hanging out with Donald Trump. And that's just a coincidence. This woman shopping. That's one of the best. Dry cleaning. Food. And oh, yeah. Show not discreet it off. It's like you're at a Harris teeter. It's right next to a heritage you're leaving the parking lot and you see fucking craft and Trump going into. Is it ever like an impulse buy like you go into albertson's on your way out? You're like what I use use a blowjob from a thirty four year old Taiwan. Well, it's like the bag. Boy tips you off like looking for some actions like three doors down next to fantastic, SAMs isn't tire paycheck, probably propping up the Asian or days. Oh, man. All right. Pena back to business here. A March man is Vegas. Artie. It seems like it's already probably buzzing out there. What a, you know, do you notice a shift when people start coming in coming in from outta town. Yeah, really starts this week in a week from the NCW tournament. Look, honestly, the conference tournament week is very much what I would say mostly professionals. It's kind of you know, there's not as many tourists in town March madness and the NCW tournament is, you know, as you guys know it's a little bit of an amateur hour aspect, and you can kind of compound that. Because in the past whatever it was two or three years March are Saint Patrick's Day was also on that weekend. Yeah. So it's kind of it was kind of the perfect storm for a little bit. If you're talking in terms of professionals, recreational bettors and kind of what goes on here conference tournament time is kind of their version of that March madness in again, I I fall into this too. I think that there's so much going on. It's probably one of my favorite time of year for different reasons than betting. It's more of a social aspect everyone Fennelly friends for. A couple a week out of the year that and hang out with me. So that's why I love it the tournaments. I it's so deep and so different man. It's such a different feeling. I mean, again, Mark Meltzer wrote up a great article detailing everything on dot com. Kind of what goes into this? I mean, there's lines thirty minutes to cash your bet. There's thirty minutes to police them. You gotta plan ahead. You got to get your mobile apps. It that's something that's important to you of kind of what you wanna do. And again, everyone's different things. If you want the social aspect of it, you can surf certainly have that if you really wanna make money at it. You gotta kind of block out the noise, and I've certainly fallen victim to that. So it's all about what you want to get out of if you wanna have fun. Enjoy it. Then you need to take those steps if you wanna make money gonna take those steps, but it's all all of the temptation the world to throw away money. That's for sure. Yeah. I'm I'm I'm so jacked up. I'm I'm finally diving in super deep in these games. And yeah, I I know definitely are planned Friday will be to post up over at the west gate there and that in the cooled theater they got going always a fan over there. And. Yeah. It's just awesome to watch in that quick cyber movie theater style seating. I was I was speaking this people I work with and I was explaining the energy in the room in the west gate like movie ballroom during March madness specifically, and that's just like you have this crazy roller coaster of just that degenerate energy of the back. The back door covers the overs coming in cheers are sync up perfectly with the betting lines. But but more specifically like there's an energy in the found myself at work getting very like talking with my hands and explaining like, basically, these people who were very close to a work that I'm just this degenerate who loves this rush. Room with a whole bunch of other degenerates experiencing the same Harz has that you know, we get to see the thing. I mean that was that was great. It was kind of. Immobile, and we just happen to cruise up to the sports book right towards the end of that game. Recall the beginning of like, mid second half. I as you know, I'm very mad. I mean, the other thing peanut pilot and a bunch of things you should be looking for. But also like all about the vape pens medication at all times in Vegas is just a beautiful beautiful thing. Coffee beans covered with Charlet. Right. Little upper little down, right? You're the first person. I will never forget this quote. I wanted to bring it up again when I it was like it was like four maybe three or four years ago was one of the first couple times that we met each other. And somebody looked at me and they're like, dude. Like, no, we need to get food in Ryan lift amigos. March madness is the only time of year. That growed many to remind each other they need to eat food. That's very true bride on your wedding day. Like eating a nanna you're gonna pass out 'cause you can definitely go twelve hours without eating now. Yeah. Because you just you get that rush. And normally even with NFL, there's these the ten AM and then the one o'clock kick and then the lake game. There's these little staggered windows or you can collect yourself think we're heads at. The sixteen games at one day. You're just the money came fly out of your pockets fast. Enough key for me is really stay away from the edibles last time. I went right Ryan's recommended edibles fucking dinner, and I'm just like paranoid. And like everyone else is fine. I'm just sitting there about to go crazy and punch everybody. Right. Right. Recommend edibles. It's like Indiana Jones say everyone needs a whip to right? You're you're a savvy user who knows exactly what you need. You have all your your amount style in you get here pressure. Muniz said, no, here's a smaller dosage, it's nothing. We bring out Colby or or you know, our chargers San. Of chocolate. You don't see the guy for data listening on casually making my opinion of you, non toughed it out man that was a mental battle had experiences with other drugs. So the storm. It's not for everybody. That's fine. I'm trying to bring everyone onto the the awesome level. But to be social if we're at a dinner together, we'll just a bad idea. You know? Maybe that's why it's the medication. How can a p other humans? It's just sometimes not necessarily thanks for the thirty year, old fashioned was delicious. Okay. Peanut going. Let's let's talk games a little bit. We're we're trying to make this podcast about big picture stuff. Overall trends is handicap and styles when you're looking at the March madness slate either conference tournament or when the tournament actually goes down. What are your steps? What do you what do you look at? What do you look to hop on fade where do you start? It's really all the things, you know, the NCW tournament is really I think people make it a little bit harder than it needs to be. You know, it's everything that you hear. But largely ignored is really what I would tell you the easiest way or the best way. At least the most likely you have to make money you wanna play contrarian maybe more than any other situational spot in this in in the whole season of NCWA look at last year. It was a little bit a little bit profitable. If you were a Chuck better favorites where ten five and one start on Thursday, Friday, wound up seven or eight and this long long-term favorites in this in this tournament are not profitable seventeen and thirteen overall was was the two years last year and then fourteen and fifteen two years ago fifteen and sixteen twenty sixteen and then an ugly ugly thirteen in nineteen all the way back to two thousand thirteen nineteen all the way back in twenty fifteen you go back again four and twelve the opening week. So it's it really does pay. I mean, it makes sense when you think about it, right? There's this much like the Super Bowl is the most public you're ever gonna see lines. Every underdog is undervalued, every favourite is overvalued. I don't know what the, you know, the one sixteen matchup that is final. Happened is going to yield in terms of what kind of happens again, I read something if you had basically parlayed every single I think it was what forty nine or fifty eight now or forty something like that for one Virginia loss last year, you if you bet one hundred thousand you would have only made basically two to four dollars getting up towards even money if you had the ultimate open parlay. So it really doesn't pay. I think that there's a a large amount of people out there that do do that. And just take a five percent ROI that that is something you could do obviously crash and burn last year. The other thing that double digit spreads these gross gross underdogs. They really kind of do well out there the bigger the spread traditionally as you break down this data, the bigger the better the underdog dozen. So it definitely makes sense again. These are the most public lines you're going to see I think it makes sense Tabet late. If you're going to, you know, take that stance of being controlling played the underdog because again, every public better if Duke is minus twenty there are going to lay minus twenty they're going to minus twenty one they're going to leave mine is twenty two and as we've seen over. And over it'll pay too late when you're going underdog. So everything that you kind of see out there that people largely ignored is very very true. The twelve five matchup is obviously the D kind of the big one that people talk about and not one will certainly come into play again. Eight nine is also the other one to take an underdog. So there's tons tons and tons of data and trends out there. But those are the biggest ones keep it. Simple and play contrarian. Yeah. I I completely agree. It's it's I think in general if you were to just blindly go contrarian, especially if you, you know, Sean, I know we're gonna get to our our manifesto's later. But yet teaser alert one of mine is don't get involved in the one or two seed games. And I think if you eliminate those and just go contrarian on the rest of the field, you're gonna do. Well. Well, and I hear you Ryan. But I this is interesting set up new Doug obstat. This is this is an interesting trend. I'm all about playing dogs big dog bad. But. Here's one that's interesting, and you know, a little easier than it seems but the tournament winner the the team who eventually wins tournament has gone eighty and sixteen against the spread an NCAA tournament gains a past sixteen seasons and the last four years the tournament winner has gone twenty four an ATS. So there is something to be said if you like a chalky team, maybe to win the term it you have a strong opinion on a on a chalk team to win the tournament. There is maybe. Saga? There is maybe something to taking them ATS the entire way through and just and just riding that and finding that one team that won that one horse. You're going to back. I definitely agree. There's always gonna be value in the dogs and stuff. But that was interesting. I didn't realize that the tournament winner did that well ATS because usually or just in my head and totally I would think oh they are playing well early. They adjust the line everyone kind of sees a coming. But it seems like twenty four no the last twenty four games tournament winner. That's pretty impressive. That's crazy. Yeah. That's that's a nice step four straight years. Yeah. Look out a can't happen again this year. It's bound to adjust a little bit. You would think some teams would cover a little bit more. But yet that's one of the latest stats found Pena. What else dogs are always a good one? Are there any sort of stats inside the game that you look to look to go to stats inside as a bunch of data any sort of particular data sets you look it? Yeah. Looked at the again, I think people largely over quantify this in. It's everything that you hear about that you largely hear about it. And then you get your your start drinking and everything takes over. Right. You don't care anymore. You wanna look at teams that in theory have great guard play and play defense, but you need to take that a little bit next level. And again as Koby I'm sure can attest this as he loves college basketball as much as I love baseball. But their stats within stats like you're saying, you know, defensive people normally look at point scored or points allowed well teams that slow the game down like Virginia's for like a Bradley. You know, all these. Teams obviously, they're using the both ends of the shot clock. They're not they're going to be in the forefront of you know, whatever stout. You come up with to quantify defense. You have to look at you know, field goal percentage allowed. You have to take a little bit of a next level turn in. Yes. Into those defensive stats, exactly. And again, call beacon elaborate on this a ton more than I can. But you you can't just look at that. And say oh this team plays. Good defense. You have to say what does that mean in kind of go from there? The other thing is teams that struggled on the road. Most of these are neutral site games. There's also a very very. Kinda crazy trend out there that is basically teams that play a game in their home. State are incredible ATS in the NCAA tournament as I'm trying to bring it up to something I head highlighted here earlier, but we can come back to it. But basically the smaller distance a team has to travel. The better has storage. They have done ATS. I believe it's about sixty five percent, but we'll come back to. But those are really the ones dig a little bit deeper. Don't just get lazy and say this team plays. Good defense. Look to see field goal percentage turnovers. All those type of things I was just talking about too. I mean, I also think that we talk we touch on this every year but guard play guard play into veteran leadership. If you have like like, Nevada's got five fifty senior. So I know that, you know, they're not going to be afraid of the moment each three chino them big this year. It's getting hi here. Sean it's getting real. But. But. But yeah. Guard played to me if you have a point guard, they can bring it bring up the bullet doesn't turn the ball much. I I actually think point guard is much more valuable in the tournament than than a big center or something like that Sean in the tournament. It's important to put the ball in the basket more than the opponent. Great great point. Thank you, very very bad Ness there. Thank you. He's one of those guys will get penetration going for Jason win. So there you go. Suit was too tight. Okay. Pena? What four we let you go here. What's one one? Takeaway one one thing that's already kind of off to the side. No the brackets are out there yet. But one angle you're looking to play. It seem like you're already kind of v. Nevada. What's one thing? You're you're already got your mind. You're already get your eyes locked in on gambling wise for the tournament. Yeah. I mean, a couple of teams out there that I think definitely have it in them Welford buffalo look legitimate this year, and they're going to give somebody very hard time. The other thing like I said don't over don't over complicate things. If pace of play is something, you know. That's obviously going to lend itself to an over. If you can get teams that, you know, run up and down the court and conversely on the other side in terms of all that stuff. You look I, you know, we talked about this last year when we did the in person podcast. And again, I told people this up front there. You know, this is something I've done throughout every NCW tournament is I pick a couple teams that basically I just need them to get through one week. If I think are one game if they can get through one game and make it to that second round. You can really hedge against them in a team that even makes it like Nevada with such a great run last year their price was so show. Hi, you hedge against them. And again, it can be a little bit of a. A costly situation for the first couple games. But eventually, I don't think a team like that's going to get there. So you can bet against them the whole way. And again, I believe whatever it was last year with three hundred to one for Nevada. They have the same team coming back again. I'm not talking about Nevada specifically again this year when the bracket comes out, I'm sure that we'll kind of go all over over that in just you'll pick a couple teams that can get to at least a second round because in theory. There's only what four round. So if you can hedge basically twenty five percent each and every time that they play with such a big payout at worse. You're gonna break even eventually provide you at least, you know, bet responsible. You have the bankroll to to manage that. When you know, if you have to break it down all the way, which is obviously very unlikely as well responsibly. Or if you don't wanna bet responsible you go to my bookie daddy. Right. Pena? I know you're on a forty two one by the way. Okay. Yes. The not quite the three hundred to one last year Pete. I know you're hitting on a ton of baseball stuff on both on your on inside Vegas and on the website. What else you got going on baseball? Otherwise, what can people find on the site and find on the podcast? Yeah. Baseball full swing. Somebody's got to handle it. That's my passionate and even through much madness. Obviously next week on inside Vegas. We'll be going digging through selection Sunday believe will be out on Monday night for everyone and kind of looking at the field looking at stuff that stands up. We're gonna map Pearl of runs the pushing the odd show at the palms. So we're going to be digging over selection Sunday all that type of stuff, and then we're going to be doing some in-person stuff throughout the week while you guys are in Vegas. And then after that at on ask dot com all baseball content coming out from me. And again, a lot of people forget that baseball is really starting in six days for the opener in Japan and then on the twenty eighth for opening day. So while every. Ones is one way that means the futures market and everything else is not being paid attention to too great time to get involved. Don't just put it off to the side because you wanna bet March madness all the time take an hour out of your day. Go read some content and get ahead of the market, Sean. You should bet the Phillies to win the World Series while you're in Vegas. It'll be so much fun because bursar going to bring change to DC. Yeah. That was great. What he said that already started? Tampering? It's it's baseball. No one's going to there's gonna be no tampering. Come on. Relax. All right. Looking forward to hanging out with you when we get out to Vegas. And of course, check him out over at the sports game lane podcast network. Subscribe debt, the S GPS dot com. Give them a following Twitter as well act Christian Pena? Thanks, again, P and appreciate it, man. Take it easy. We'll talk soon. We'll see out there Nick velvet. He's coming seem. We're also brought to you today by fan vest. That's right fan base. Wagering exchange. It's going to be the stock market sports fan is a digital exchange. Lets you invest in intrigue sports teams like stocks to monetize your sports without Luther walk up, Dan vest replaces complicated. Odds with intuitive tradeable sports teams values are determined by the marketplace perfect time to five the value of dogs. Pimas launching a free to play March madness portfolio challenge on selection Sunday March seventeenth with five thousand dollar. 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Then he proceeds the talk about how makes sense because the teams are going to be cautious. Some of these teams. This might be the biggest stage they've ever been on. And we bought it. And then for like six straight years. It was profitable spent a little rocky lately last year it got murdered. But I'm gonna do it again. I'm going to really really really just create the excitement of the betting the betting window clerks day when I walk up there and say, I'm a lot of bets all the unders first-half read the numbers. So then I proceed to read off. Two. Four. Eight six under eight oh, eight under all the way down the board. And I encourage you to as well, the great thing to really fuck with them. You got to do like a different dollar amount on everyone. I'll be like. All right. I'm gonna go to win when to win one hundred on each one. Okay. It's a lot of capital though. You gotta you know, you gotta throw it down. I also grew sorry shot. But the continuation here is go the night before don't be jackass, and wait and a giant line like either get the app. I was explaining this to older fellow work that you could actually go in a casino and download an on your phone and go to window deposit, cash blew his mind, I recommend you do that. Or make the best the night before. Why not they it's nice. You get it out of the way. There's no stress you roll out of bed. You you turn the game on in the room. Anyway, sean. Yeah. Lifesaving tip. Ryan. I maybe not lifesaving strong strong play. Okay. I hear that first half hunters. That's always Ryan's go to play. This is a new one that I actually better to Sean. I know I believe this new one that I'm bringing up I did some research and. Here's one that's interesting. The the first four. Yes. If you take those guys to win outright in the first round that's actually been a really strong trend. The first four team has made it one. I four team has made into the round of thirty two all six years. It's been happening. Some of them to the Sweet Sixteen to the final four VCU. Syracuse. Now don't now. Around do you mean the first round the playing game? Ryan, we're not having this conversation. Again, the first round is when they're sixty four teams the first four is when there's those games decide. Extra bullshit seats. Look really look for these eleven seeds that win and get into the first four to only cover the spread. But also to win outright is dog. Well, he's air was money last year. And and I didn't realize what it was you know, how successful it was how successful of a turn. It's been these pets. Tennessee went to the Sweet Sixteen winsome Martin. I think a lot of it has to do a little bit on what Kramer said is that you get the nerves out. Yeah. You know what? I mean, the nerves that you get your shooting legs. You get your touchdown. And it's typically it's going to be a bigger conference schools that are in that randomly in the eleven or twelve like, it's not a common seed for Texas. You know, but because they have this playing game. They're going to throw a bone to the bigger conferences to you're kind of getting this weird this this miss equity in the seating. And that's why you we've seen NC state or Syracuse or make these runs and you see like you head over to to to Joe Lynn. Hardy's predictions, and he's got state Texas plan in one and Florida NC state in the other classic team. Yeah. That have immense talent they recruit. Well, and they're just they just on down year. I was looking at Jalen orgies brackets. And I was just curious on this is going to break looking at his brackets and Virginia Tech planes, Saint Mary's little scared about that, buddy. Yeah. I would be that would I would be very scared of that. You know, why is Saint Mary's is good? The I think actually they're not a great matchup for Virginia Tech. Like, I was saying earlier, I do think that the the hokies will give them trouble Saint Mary's. Yep. Now, they're interesting March man spending tragedy as this is the focus of the podcast. Another little nugget chisel away for listeners know team that has ever lost their first conference tournament game has gone on to win the NCAA title. So we talk we've mentioned that before of. Oh, hey, maybe these maybe these big programs kind of tank it early in the conference tournaments L rest up for the actual tournament. Historically. It's never happened that a team has lost their first converts tournament game and then gone on to win the NCAA. Is that the words they users it lost in the first round of their conference tournament. Lost their first conference tournament game. Okay. So because otherwise that would be crazy loophole because all these tournaments heavily. I'm taking it. Now. Again, I'm just pulling the shit out of Raynham random stuff and finding online. But I'm I'm seeing it as like if you have one of these teams that we haven't seen a number one seed go down yet. Have we sorry who was it? So one for Jimmy last year. No, no, I'm in their conference tournament. What number one seeds have gone down? So far this this year? Yeah. I don't think what. Go through conferences. I don't let databases working show. I don't think ahead loss. But that wasn't their first game was it. No. That was the championship game. Okay. Right. That's what I was trying to remember if any of these teams lost the first one, but I I don't think so I think I'm back on the the trend of like just play. Well now deal with it later. Let me ask you this though. So there's one game happening the Saturday at eight AM, California or Pacific time. Whatever you want to say you NBC at Vermont. Now, if you'd be wins that they will be sixteen seed Virginia's already pretty much a lock for the one. Five percent. Twenty five percent chance. We would see that. Now, you gotta love for Jin. Exactly, you gonna think Fe going gonna be Dunkin. They're going to be. So much pressure. Fuck it up. That would be a lot of pressure. That would be spread going to be like Virginia, minus six. Pick him pita hit on a couple of things that are kind of old pearls of wisdom. Again, don't be afraid to factor in court. It does seem to matter when these teams play close to where they're actually stationed. It does seem to make a difference. And I think it was last was it last year. We did we either talked about on the show shown or we wrote about it. But the the idea that the the five and four seeds are undervalued because they are often the short short favorites. And even though it seems like the public side. I think last year the the fives did well, correct. Yeah. Normally, and this is almost a square sharp contrarian plan. Everyone knows all the twelve. That's where he looked for your upset the twelve don't be afraid to rock the fives. If you're if you see the match ups, and they make sense the twelve's of almost been getting too much hype. Now generally do. You wanna g- nor seeding? And this is just kind of like that reverse contrary and thing where everyone's going on the twelve. And now, maybe there's some some value back on the fives free-throw percentage another Sean time-tested stat. That's always great to look at because it's a couple points here there that really could make the difference. Ask ask myself who is big on Houston to beat Michigan last year in Houston had an eighty eight percent free throw shooter at the free throw line missed both Michigan hits game winner. Fucking lose. More like a girls headband right for Houston. I missed it. Maybe they haven't. Appropriate way to dress. It's two thousand nineteen Michigan hits like a half court shot or you know, a little bit past half court. But I mean, I mean talk about a bad break is of team could make free throws. We wanna talk talk about some stats. We like show. Yeah. I I've been I've been thrown out some little nuggets. So as you know, we'll we'll believe this out later. Sean hates the free plugs. But definitely if you're if you plan on betting on March madness after you've you've gone and gotten the spread investors cheat sheet, and that seems pretty awesome. He 'cause you know, some of the sites he was talking about in the data. Sources Ryan you love that use of the word data source. I do like spreadsheets probably some gradients in the spreadsheets. You wanna talk about merging multiple data streams into a spreadsheet and making a beautiful. That's that's my shit. Head over after you've got the spread investor guide their head over to Ken, palm dot com and pay. He's not paying us. I know, but just fucking do it because you need all the you need this information. He makes it all it's easy to digest visually. And I'm gonna throw out some of the some of the numbers to look at over the experience metric, Sean what is this? Well, it's how much exp- how much game experience the these teams have I love that. Because guess what it matters when you're looking at these mid majors when you're looking at the smaller schools, and you see like, hey, great experience. They don't turn the ball over. They hit their free throws. And they turn the other team over I'm in. I'm one hundred percent in right, then and that's why I'm so in on this Virginia Tech team right now. I think they have just about all that they just don't have the depth. So what team Virginia Tech? It's it's it's weird. They fit my model. They they're they're they're not they kinda turn the ball over. But everything else they're great free throw shooting. They turn you over. What's the furthest? I've gone in the tournament recently nowhere. No, I'm if you're under Greenberg, they've never made a sweet was perpetually in the fucking bubble is fucking bald. Head bouncing around one year, sixteen close them. What are you? Why? Are you trying to right now? Kobe why are you where's e c u? Hey areas e c Edwards in the NBA, man. Komo's. No mother fucking curry true. Neither of the other Curry's. But. Yeah. So Sean pointed app at the free throw percentage mostly though, I like the turnover percentage I like two teams that don't turn the ball over. I like teams that can turn you over. And then styles right styles makes make fights. Yeah. When I see when I see a big conference school that presses. Or is that? And or maybe they selectively press, and they're playing a school that is maybe a mid major. But they don't really have a ball handler. And maybe they they turn the ball over a little too much. I know like this has run out potential where if you can if you're seeing that eight nine point spread you might be like, oh, I don't know. That's a that's a good. That's when they can run games away because they're gonna hit their free throws. They're also gonna turn this team over and it's gonna get out get out of hand quickly. The other thing I like to look at Sean, honestly is how much do they use their bench like the teams that don't use their bench at all? Like, that's they're gonna get tired. Yeah. Short rest if they do advance. You gotta look at the next game. It's a fairly quick turnaround. I mean, again, I go play basketball, and I couldn't be ready for a game a week later. We're probably not the best example. Maybe not. But yeah. So that, you know, and that's too when we come into we, you know, another hidden gem that we always hit on was Tom Izzo on the second day or a second game. Because these these better coaches, it really the the better coach is really make a difference on the short rest. Right. 'cause that first game. Everyone's nervous. Everyone's jacked up, whatever. But the quick turnaround the Friday the Saturday, we're maybe didn't have time to prep for your opponent. 'cause you didn't know what it was or, you know, the Thursday to Saturday Friday this Sunday, whatever it is that turnaround on one day rest. That's where the coaching really can jump out at you. Because both teams will be a little tired. They might not start out. Great. You have to figure out how to use your bench better. You have to maybe drop some place you have to use the strategy more. And that's when talent maybe doesn't isn't as strong. And that's really why these these smaller schools get on a run. Is you bring in a shack smart when he had his good run or stuff like that? Where they they really control the team Brad Stevens like the team really rallies around him. They get these short rest they're able to adjust. They come in with good strategy. Then they get the momentum. These young kids got confidence. And all of a sudden, they don't give shit and they're getting to the final four. Wow. Sean nice. I like it. Nice. Something else. I like Shaun see that coming for. He didn't see that cut into point point distribution. I like to see like how much does this team rely on the three pointer? How many how many points are they getting at the line that can go either way almost like if your team is hot. There's almost no variants. So this is where I'm getting to a lot of these metrics kind of help. Indicate variance if a team gets a lot of their points from three pointers. I think that that there's a high variance potential, right? That's a team that could upset. This is again, why Marshall last year shooting for half court if they can if they can if they have a slightly efficient offense, and they can they they are committed to the three you never know. But on the flip side of that it can get out of hand quickly. Because if it's not there, and if it is if the moment is too big, and that's kind of where I like, I do like the first half owners because. I'll bet I will bet on these kids not coming out and shooting the ball as well as they can. And every one of these situations because for whatever you wanna say about all the big moments. They played in. It's it's different for most of these schools. There's a handful of kids that are getting ready to play in the NBA. Maybe it's not as big. But everyone else like this is a big moment. So let's say what forty eight fifty the teams. It's it's it's a moment where so as a team they're not gonna play as well as early on. There are nine. Vietnam. Maybe it's ten minutes. But that's why I like kinda shaded in that that that officiency in the first half. I'm with you. I mean, I think you're right percentage wise, I'm just saying that teen certain teams get crushed last year. Like it was comical on Twitter. It was it was. I think he went four and twelve one day. Yeah. If shown if the first half overs are headed prepare for the Twitter feed. Just notification after notification and in ri-, just like, listen, it's a long term investment. I'm not getting out. Now can't wait to do. My sixteen in Instagram story debut on Instagram story. Look at we'll dab on that in Vegas. We'll definitely on the Graham while you're there, or are you going to bet if? Why not? I mean, listen, how are we going to Sean ankle if there's one thing we we've gotten good at it over the years. It's multitasking when it comes to betting and watching game. So I did go four no ATS in the AFC. Are we ready to admit the quality isn't quite there? Garrett Gilbert is better than. What are your what threats to the audience a couple nuggets or while? You're while you're pulling up years view. View strategies, my thing, honestly, is I just my I watch a ton of college basketball teams. I know I know what seems like honestly, I don't get to trapped into the analytics of my thing is like obviously guard play like I mentioned before one of the first factors. I look at obviously experience experience of being in the moment. Like a team. I don't mean that I'm definitely going to ride Nevada. Heavy I got to see the match ups. But one of the things that stands out to me is a they are very experienced. Also, they as you saw I think the second biggest comeback NCAA basketball tournament history. They came back Cincinnati down twenty two they don't stress most most teams going on twenty two the fucking game is over they like not we've been here before. And they came back for reason rightly they came back to do something. And that's the biggest thing to me. And I I haven't followed the super closely, but all signed it seems like there's maybe some problems maybe they're just waiting for the tournament. Turn it on. I mean, I mean it happened today. Granted New Mexico is not. I mean, not New Mexico. Boise state's not, you know, a tournament caliber team, but they were like fifteen early on the vodka the didn't panic. They ran their offense. And boom it came storming back took the win. I think that almost got their next year's goal is to let's do better. And everyone's back in college basketball nowadays it matter so much. I mean, even like a team like Brad they love their point guard. He doesn't turn the ball over much to me certain certain things that I pay attention to central Florida central Florida team that you love central Florida. Well to me, I just think they could be a matchup problem. You've got this gigantic center if they face a team that is not used to playing that. And then you also have a guy named dock ins who's like killer instinct, NBA player potential doctors are always killers. Yeah. There you go. And so nobody number two in the country in Ken palms experience. Metric do you know who number one is? Hartford. You're going to get that Wailers joking. Another random said I like to look at when I'm handicapping, these ofensive, rebounding percentage shown loves it sounds. It sounds like what does that really matter? Extra possessions extra frigging possessions, especially if they're not hitting their shots in the first half, little nervous, whatever you get extra possessions. You're gonna win the game. You know, Ken palms all about the efficiency in all these different formulas. But if you have more shots, you got a better chance the polish. One other thing you lightly touched on it like full court presses Texas, Texas, Louisville used to with Pacino, but West Virginia, the if they get in certain teams that run or Kansas state. They don't always wanna full court press. But they're just very tough defensively. One of those things you get to hit the under definitely on those ones. If you're not going to touch all of them like Kramer, says look for if whoever came states plan in that game to be because candidates just disgusting offense anyway, so that's their game. Cincinnati another one I think in general you want like this. It's the styles like which know which teams are going to rough the other team up because there are definitely some teams that are going to be in this field that don't like getting beaten up. Yeah. And they haven't faced a full court trap with with a defense with that much athleticism other side of that is holy shit. You might run into a game where the refs just take the press away from that team. And we've seen. That before too. We're all. Have you have a bunch of guys on the bench because they have two or three thousand and it completely changed. It changes the the dying. Wow. The dynamic of of the game. And I I would say more than anything you should be aware of the kind of team. They like are they zone defense team. Are they oppressed team? Are they trying to play fast? Are they trying to place? Like are. They a game pace dictator or do they kind of morph into what the other team plays? Its basic information. You can get it without even really watching them play a game. Or if they got a guy that. Okay. So let's just say the other teams going on ten run there. The favourite does does your other team have killer. Like to me like there's always a guy on a certain team you need possession. That's crazy run you need someone to break that run. That's Dwayne Wade thing where it's like, do you have a guy that can get his own shot whenever they need it. Yeah. And that's why like I said when I mentioned central Florida Dawkins has that see I pay. Attention to shit like that. So as much as yeah. The analytics I do dive into a little bit. It's not necessarily the deal-breaker. Also. I mean, I I actually liked to look at what you just talked about more from the other side, which is I like to see which teams don't have that. And especially if it's due to injury or something like that where they're they're trying to make a new person that alpha that always I feel like that does it usually work, especially if it's, you know, come this time of year. So I can be aware of all of this just by starting right now and digesting everything we have another philosophy that I don't know that we wanna do. But it's fair. Tony bennett. I mean, let's zoo with with Klay Thompson things that go on Charlottesville are just horrible. So I mean, if you want to back them back them at your own fucking. I got to see the bracket before I form my opinion. But they do look better than ever seen a Tony Bennett coach team. But hey. So I mean, we're almost double what are give me. Like, the the one team that's going to be a one to see that. Is you think will will not be in the Sweet, Sixteen LSU ones obvious? They're they're not going to be there to she didn't and compulsion really surprised me inland. Artie. Lanark plan, Bradley. No, there's no way they can get a two seat. He switched it. Yeah. You got to you. Gotta switch yesterday. Was they were playing Bradley. He's now he's he's still got him as a two seat, actually. But that's crazy. One the SEC LSU. I'm betting on LSU. Hopefully, there's two ways you can see that. I'm still stay in my corner of thinking they're gonna rally rant and we'll see how this SEC conference tournament. Plays out. But yeah, another one to Tennessee because Rick Barnes doesn't have a great track record in the NCAA tournament their athletic team, the coaches that showcase every year. There's something that trend that Bob Huggins is another one that never really went very far in the. I mean, I think he took since two final four back in like ninety two sides that he hasn't done much. Did he take view to phone for took WVU to final four? But I you know that, and I guess the other thing is we we kinda mentioned it in the wind value in the fours and fives. But definitely target that one team that everyone's picking up set. Yeah. Upset and maybe that's kind of what I was getting at with those twelve seed upsets Murray state because they become the sexy pick Murray state. It's going to be the sexy because they got the star that's gonna third picking the draft. I like some potential opportunity to fade them depending on who they draw. Yeah. I mean, you you as fun as job Moran is the root for he's probably you want to bet against it because the market won't support. And you think that he's going to be playing a big school? And you don't think they're going to have that circle that they've heard about this kid. Yeah. Shut up about job rant. He's. But what what I mean. Take the other side of that. That's what I'm saying is pretty awesome. Take the Mirant side. Yeah. Like he can get his shot. He might be good. I mean, what Virginia Tech? What's the projection on? Yeah. See they're just going to be that. Typical sexy twelve pick that everyone's, but, but that's a great idea. That's a great matchup because that he's there the kind of team that I would be like I'd be I'd be all over Virginia Tech rate. Yeah. Because they don't score. They score everything. It's all to pointers. However, I would be Saint Mary's. I think with the points what they're going to collapse on them. And they're just gonna shut them down and frustrate them. It's a buzz Williams defense. We talked a lot about Virginia. I apologize. Yeah. You would give Ohio State of Texas on one of the twelve that'd be a that'd be a tough draw. Maybe they'll draft to a six. We got we got plenty of March madness content coming up for participating in the Spurs game. And did next time. 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S01E00 SCTP - PILOT "What's Seawoman Chronicling About?"

Seawoman Chronicles: The PODCAST with Sandra Sealy | world literary news

24:34 min | Last month

S01E00 SCTP - PILOT "What's Seawoman Chronicling About?"

"You have you come for tools. News and interviews about and four writers of the caribbean and beyond well then welcome to see woman. Chronicles the podcast with me sanchez. ceiling your host. No they're welcome to see woman. Chronicles the podcast excited new. And i'm enjoying the early coaster ride to getting here. But i hope you do too. I'm scientists caribbean multi genre writer rate lowest stuff poet author and blogger from burgas. A coffee. lover's. Oh my gosh if you could smell my house right now. The aroma and just Got this brand not sponsoring me with flavored ground. Coffee that you brew. I'm not talking to creamer or that. You know three in one potard steph and the flavor. Trang is french for pretty good okay. It's folger's in my cup anyway right along. I am looking forward to sharing with you a couple times a month and just to let you know this is season one episode zero So yeah so a couple times a month and you know. And then there'd be some bonus sessions thrown in here and there might be something topical than just have to get out or may be behind the scenes or you know something special but today since it's our pilot give you an idea of how this'll work. You can typically expect three main segments first. one is see. Women's speaks to me than there's a guest spotlight and then featured writing up now if you're a creative in particular raider you know that it's usually a lonesome pursuit. It's not necessarily always a bad thing but during these times it can be tough and you know it good to know that you're not alone or not or not but i'm hoping that will help. I'm hoping that you'll find some inspiration. Maybe learned something new and combat for more. So let's go to the first segment see. Women's speaks so i'm going to divide this session into to I i'm going to answer a rating question from you would have my beloved podcast subscribers. So dead easy. You could just leave a voice message on peach that easy or it could be a social media follower There might be a a question coming from them. So that's what i'm gonna look at or i'll just choose a topic to fall. Focus on really. The second part of the woman speaks will be the rating world news. And you know what let's kick it off today. And now the writing world news roundup my in our south east asia according to the pen international which stands for poets playwrights editors and sas and novelist penn myanmar on march ninth. There were two poets killed during a peaceful demonstration by students and youth against the military coup in barbados caribbean. The national cultural foundation recognizes poet lawyer esther phillips as one its features during international women's day in march end in the uk and caribbean on march. Eighteenth twenty fifteen booker prize winner. Us-based marlin genes will be part of a collaboration with his alma mater. The university of the west indies attend annual creative lecture for the university of leicester in toronto canada. This month esteemed jamaican-canadian raider. All of senior released her poetry collection entitled condemning. Coen's aren't we delete it in the united kingdom according to independent co dot. uk and. i called the book. Industry fells billions of trees. It's down to authors to demand to be printed on recycled paper. Something to think about and intrepid at writers with roots in five different caribbean territories happen long listed for the two thousand and twenty one siham. That's the one caribbean media. Boca's prize for caribbean literature. And that is sponsored by cm owner of the express newspapers tv six and the opium radio network now in its eleventh year. The prizes internationally considered the leading literary award for caribbean writers and recognize books. In three john nra carrier categories poetry fiction and literary nonfiction and to barbuda's for a special update to celebrate world poetry day on march. Twenty first as declared by unesco caribbean writers and the barbados creative economy network in conjunction with the Cave hill school of business present. The impact of poetry honor society and economy. It's free of cost. It's on sunday. Twenty first of march twenty twenty one at two pm atlantic standard time to register. Leave the lincoln the show notes and they're also on my blog. Acsi women's caribbean writing dot org. Or you can go directly to the university of the west indies site so it will be moderated by yours truly fantasy lead. The focus is moving toward sustainability for caribbean poet. On world poetry day presentations will be given by the court case. He'll school of business head. And economists professor justin robinson attorney at law and cultural practitioner. Lynette eastman also who founded the barbados creative economy network and cultural ambassador and veteran khalip. Sonian beloved dr anthony. The mighty gabby carter performances. Paying homage to literary giant canal breath will feature barbadian poets leshan griffeth and winston farrell. This online forum to will be held via zoom on facebook live and it's intended to stimulate discussion about giving poetry more economic prominence and linking this niche art form with sustainability or artists to round up this particular part of it. We're going to note some days of observance for writers during march on march. Third was international raiders day march fourth world book day in the uk the week of march seventh to thirteenth was read an e book week march twentieth world storytelling day and on march twenty. First at the. I'm looking forward to world poetry day now. One of the things that i felt was important to also honor our own few literary birthdays that we should recognize our african american. Novelists ralph ellison of the invisible man fame march. I have been his birthday. Celebrated american children's author dr seuss on march. Second colombian novelist and short story writer. Gabriel garcia marquez march. Six award winning english raider with jamaican roots when my favorite andrea levy on march seven ca titian born british novelists and playwrights carol phillips also in march and french seventeenth century philosopher rene descartes if you've got international rating related news. You think i should share. Be sure to visit. C women's caribbean rating dot org to contact me or look for the lake in the show notes. I'll do my best to fit it in and our second sade would be the guest spotlight now. Obviously i haven't got one today but let me tell you. I have got a lane up. I kid you not. Alas the next few seasons fabulous people are right so as far as go will be likely to be global expert in a related area for example for our first episode. We're going to have poet author podcast host of the wet spot and robert gibson of passionate words. Editing services is otherwise known as passion. Poet him perusal of the immediately saw errors. So i said a editor did this. And she's like yes. Yes i was very proud of it. But it's era that this. And then and then i said okay no problem. I'm going to go through this from beginning. Oh you'll have to do that. She said but this was going to happen. I wanna go through this. And and i guarantee you they are more arizona three or four that you just showed me. 'cause she was she literally was gonna look at me. I'd tell me that. I should charge on the for the for ariza z. Or it could be a trail. Caribbean raider like author sherry jones from barbados setting. Good morning america book club and the world on fire. Okay no of course the cloud. I mean that is huge. All my gosh. I think maybe. I'm trying to think how long because i known for a little while by had to keep it a secret until the announcement when my publisher actually contacted me and they said well we have excellent news. Jemmy has told us that they're selecting but what what late. What do you know and Yeah that was that was. That was a a dream. Come true i just could not believe it couldn't be that and We have to do some stuff leading up to the amount. I had to give them some information. I had to record some videos and sawn and send to them and it was just. I was doing all this stuff. And i couldn't talk about it. You know but it was amusing feeling and i just felt really proud to know too. That you know is a book about betas. It's firmly centered barbuda's after them to choose. It just felt lake. a real. a real validation. I felt really. I felt really. I can't even say how excited exhilerated s tactic all those things we're excited right along with. You mean caribbean layers. Facebook is lloyd out its borders. So i mean. We're really an. I am excited to share your story as much as i can see what i mean. Got you got to tune in And segment three featured rating up. So just i will bore. You just just see. Have a little bit of background. See women's caribbean writing my blog. How it really started. Was you see what happened was way back. When and two thousand seven their boats. I would have been taking my writing a lot more seriously and doing some digging finding opportunities. I call them up and When i'm not rating it on a little slip of paper. My computer crashes or making my friends crazy with the email. So i decided you know what instead of doing all of that. Where did i put it in one place. And that's how. I designed the blog. The way i did for c. women's caribbean reading So what you're gonna find. There are tools because The elevator to work for global writers. I found i would get really excited. I do the curate. A go through the go through all of the submission guidelines and all of that. And i get to the bottom. People from my neck of the woods aren't eligible so that sucked. So that's why i started to pull things. Where international raiders and then found. Not just our raiders from the caribbean but global raiders to That might not necessarily be from the first first world nations quote unquote Would be eligible. So that's why is a focus on the caribbean which is largely underrepresented area and often lumped in with latin america. But that's another story so there is us where there is a cadre of talent Some the world is familiar with others are emerging and doing some phenomenal things and that's way the carribean With my roots. That way celebrate the so much. But as i said. Global raiders are open to these opportunities to all right. So let's get back so there might be rating festivals. It might be publishing opportunity. Some even paid Usually the the ones that i choose. You don't have to pay a fee normally on. I try to bet it. As much as i can't i'll ask a the contest coordinators questions as well all right so the other thing is of course not everywhere is where you should have. Not every publication is what you should have on your rating credits. So i really try hard to make sure that that top and then as a result of that i decided for social media instead of having a page have a group. That's caribbean writers eighteen more than eighteen hundred members for more than forty four countries and growing. And it's wonderful. Show news. we celebrate each other Discuss certain things and connect right than the other pointed. Wanna make yes this podcast on my blog. You're hearing writers so you might think okay is another creative. I'm not. I'm not involved either. Not true very often. A lot of these off do want work from photographers and from visual artist and of course with our digital media there are some even that. Go that way as well so i would say. Leave yourself open if your photographer if your visual artist or you know someone that is you should send them. You should send them to my blog to see what's up okay so Just so you would know. I normally would put the highlights. I don't i don't put the whole thing from Safer example there is a particular opportunity that's being described. I would normally put the highlights with their boat. You can contact them in case you have any questions If there's an entry fee if they're if they pay if there is if there's an idea of when they come when they're going to be out that kind of thing also. I do that as much as i can. And and then there would be a link to the full submission guidelines. And of course i always encourage people read it once twice three times more than that. So you're going to get an idea of what the publishers are looking for as well as of course word limits if there are themes rates information and of course dad lights. So you know what you're my. I see woman chronicles podcast subscribers. And for that give you an all right now. This one is the colonial passage to literary journal seeking to capture american and black diaspora rating from around the globe. It strives to old present. Each distinct piece of rating as a passage worthy of reader's attention and encourages emerging. Aniston raters to submit to the magazine. However they want work from all artists of all backgrounds engaged in the colonial project regardless of race origin gender disability or geographical location in addition they also welcomes submissions from visual artist. Marie told me about this photographers and graphic designers that relate to the prose and poetry that publish besides the rolling submission they have for their other publication. The first issue in this case is to be published. June twenty twenty one is the theme migration and movement. They're looking for an published essays creative nonfiction stories flash fiction and points that connect to the decline project with topic such as migration immigration forced removal the middle passage etc. I said you go to the blog and find everything. Their deadline is march thirty first through actually accepting submissions between january eleventh. To the end of this month no entry fee. The managing and founding editor is audrey ship so the other details including style and other highlights. As i said see it on my blog. See women's caribbean rating off. Pardon me see. Women's caribbean rating dot org. And as always. I'm gonna give you my two cents. If there are any notes and of course there are full their links to the full sub mission. If you don't see the post I normally would have the most recent posts in the left widget and if it disappears. That's no problem. 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Ep50: How much is Coach Raftopoulos to blame?

Makem Takem

31:12 min | 1 year ago

Ep50: How much is Coach Raftopoulos to blame?

"The tonight can take him episode fifty you will back to run through the questions of top off to the we can be election last week I thank you for listening in and breaking listening record well I'm going to have to say thank you again because to me riders never in this game from the very beginning. If I'm coach Paternoster I have no idea in T- mama's watching in front of me personally for me it tells you more about Newcastle's they've actually competed once this season and they also have another loss had a big loss My walk was going to be one of those showing lights probably the best British big man in the league this year he's now pretty once again he has rejoined me high Christ at a mock how you this morning sir very good very good recruiting this noisome Broughton earliest rebounds a game so far this season how fifteen twelve against the eagles that's great to say that The Roy is only ran a six seven man rotation you have a Colorado wanted them I think that's a great acquisition the other one that's great to see from Brits point of view as Warburton starts averaging eighteen point three points and thirteen any questions that go through to a jump straight into the first question obviously we all I kind of battle the titans and the historic big names in British possible this weekend when the Eagles he's done in social media posted him sitting in a hospital bed after surgery how tough is it going to be Ferrara's to replace him Carajas Eagles came away at ninety four eighty six winners Oversees the Bureau Cup so we're not really sure about it but the question failing the they need one maybe two more pieces to the puzzle that they want to make that as soon as possible so regular season starts they're ready to go right you know it's not just that it's the way they conducted themselves against Newcastle the passing was also and everything like that they still have a very good you know in caught right they still league for Plymouth years ago he plays her well at Worcester is that influence on the core he's GonNa you know it's going to get your rebound score points but it's GonNa be tough victory is quite unique for big he's very dominant he's sixteen he's been probably a very big in somebody like hall and Palmer or something you have to worry about it's it's your last question is who does eagles ride as result tell us more about who position but they they have enough talent to be there but they just need to figure that out in the quick the changes come the better off yeah I agree with you on the OH plans lost Jae Rav and the big haters and eights unusual for riders to make such big changes obviously going into this third fourth game with a cup run because it was a completely non-existent less decide and one that I haven't seen ready for outrebounded played out Esa did everything you can tell coming into this game that new cost of the Volvo C gone through the fact of losing and haven't had such an easy got a fantastic job that can share the getting going so it's not it's not all over but robbers got some work to do the crazy there's definitely some sean in line you who does the result tell us more about saving give you just completely disappeared he's Indian alleged on insists by that Hussein than against Phoenix had a ridiculous game off the bench thirty points and thirteen rebounds how important is it for the really step up to the mark but it seems that maybe the eagles defense is a little bit more fluid than it used to be in different places going to carry the white on different noise you saw things the thing that's impressive far in the few Khanna Games just spreading of love that they've got Fletcher a big game against the ride is twenty eight sorry because I remember commenting last week the was that united they looked and they looked like they were fighting between each other they were angry with each other charlotte distributing well this is a completely different newcastle performance. The one we saw last week when they lost the Scottish Glasgow rocks and like you said go is five to seven in the morning five to eight and now I can't take through a busy weekend in the B. B. O. and and secondly you know these two types will favorites when we get to April I think I think more for Newcastle this year I still think less I hope that mentality studies because new cost is being three four years now with no trophy so a if they keep playing like that could I think it's very very strange if you can go into a season of say these guys won't be contending just because of the history and the makeup of their clubs we'll be there and they're about to the end of the season I just think both of them are going to go on a different pasta in seasons before moving on to our next question then Oh yeah the strange one because they've obviously had reasonably big changes in the summer yeah they've kept some of the what you may be considering say over the years before the season we will waste kind of Gone Eagles riders that seeks story to tell there the big hitters firstly is that still the case they went back to that mentality in the end of the full quarter but apart from that they shed the bull they moved the ball very well very exciting to watch this point of the season the the not as competitive they don't have that firepower they still have brandon peel who's doing brandon for the eagles coming forward that they've obviously changed mentality the last few years you could kind of cities this player will that plan you know one of these couple of places that are GONNA so far behind last season are they sees as London lines I think two or three players in the incense Jordan Spencer proudly Chad behind a maybe even Bristol at the fighter identing they've been out to replace them so far and I think it's obviously Sharon I've seen their struggle what we consider through the top of the table all share and looking at the London lines they've lost their opening two games and pretty emphatic lost by twenty-five to wolves on the weekend and then by fifteen to their cross city rivals the royals this weekend question for you is how Sherron Bowl there's definitely a different shift in mentality is definitely a their understand there was a dodgy stage in that game where thinks can stop the comeback trophy wise anyway so with I mind either perfect segue to to my actual sub question within this one in a big position Alan Jordan I don't think they will change I think he just needs to play a different style I suppose pleading Cheshire is being so used to like run and gun God knows what's going to happen offense which Louis Chesser really known for into play in had a easy going forward I think that the group stages will they can get through to the funding to the next stage of the B. B. O. Cup so they're in there so I think in recruitment wise it's GonNa be a long it's GonNa be a long core changes might math to be made hill things Mr double double again but an Justin Robinson who's running the show but the clicking in the debt and the structure of the depth of the roster just isn't mattis season them changes it with the slow stop of a hats austere they still won the biggest prize at the toll amount of the of the campaign so it I I think so too I think the what they've got could enough I think that it will be a different game backup in Newcastle if I've learned from this that they Konso into these games because they have the season unless this wholesale changes I agree with you I think it's a minimum of two additional prize at Impact Place the concern I have is you know the roster changes do you think it's going to be wanting one or g think they're gonNA just plump for bringing in a more talent I think the and you can't do that and expect to still be way were exactly and to be perfectly honest it on the show if that is the case then that makes me alarm massive alarm bells yet because of the way the season structure but there's some really to think about how am I gonNA grow around he'll and Robinson again because I like city royals that's GonNa push them out of that top spot which obviously after winning the loss Jay is is is crazy to think look at the moment that potentially going to scramble for a playoff place they're going to be alive they can know can be in the top full not with the improvement from some of the other sides that we've seen backup tab and to have that too big punch and it just isn't there with the quality that they have at the moment so it's GonNa be ivory really let's face it off this weekend the biggest team in London Line now definitely know it's hard to say that they're gonNA finish above the royals uh-huh structured God and being able to execute within that system but they just need something but you know we've Justin Robinson there William coming in again he's not gonna they're not going to have the same impact Jordan Spencer hired and I'll be only worries me with regards to lines the way they elegance sorry with the competitiveness sorry but I can't you know if this was this scraping for percents than anything because it isn't the same quality that's out there to be you know there has to be a lot I mean to me last season Bristol was such a big addition he's not he's not the same love is not going to produce consistently we'll we'll tab digital and Spencer you're either going to argue that it's a whole haywar Marya or go almost exactly the same notes in front of me the people they brought in to replace laborious time John Spencer and this is now tissue specs in a good boss will pies but they're just not the same level as the players from before you know for example you've got Jordan coming in replacing dairies on winning the end but the thing that we won't have a conversation is about twenty nine seconds left in the game the score is ninety one pace perfectly balanced for a lovely lost twenty nine I am with Brandon Peel Day you still got a great sound Dacian to build from and it's that you know it's the debt for the team which they can actually work with so it's not alarmed six seventy five physician in the playoffs maybe the less greasy I think they battling out I think it could be with this roster if changes Tori trump for bringing in more talent I think which to go what you've got there at they are kind of role players that the guys come in maybe the change maybe a change in rowed for London this year will they're able to find finance and boosted that side early coming into the star of the seasons so with that in mind rumors were rife last year and I'm pretty sure that dream as well as far from the truth there will see financial situations London lines different way to what I agree contention be along these lines and that fans you mention them just now as we move on to our next question sorry position to win the game as well so and to be able to take take a lead and you know him being able to manage fouls title to die make any changes where do you think this roster ends up when we get into the not this kind of preseason cup thing that we now have hyde or every time every time it was a one shot game guilford struggle to be able to control themselves to put themselves in and in the last twenty nine seconds sorry don't schoolroom Plymouth school an additional five points to take the win the question I have for you is how much blame bliss type for that look this is one of the hardest jobs because it doesn't matter what good technical we can't say on camera on Youtube but from everything we understand them for what we saw before the technical was handed out he co for time out and then cancelled I've been in that position were at the point where you're always fighting I think to myself he needs to keep a calm head because he has a hard enough job it's already with the with the roster the has to be able to win you saw within evening even from the beginning of the third quarter every time the game was the feeling that they're spending an awful lot less this year you know that they'd caught they've cut their cloth accordingly I'd say potentially thirty thirty percent less on applying budget actuator season where did you see the the lines I think right now they're probably better than Manchester Etcetera I think they might struggle Kim been able to manage his own demeanor has to really be a concern because they need everybody including him and seconds but topless gets himself objective for the game those of us that didn't see it basically got a first technical earlier in the game and he's set in the time out when they came back on the time out have been charged to him and he kind of went off the deep end a little bit a bit crazy and rescue my second techies out the game do I blame him no I don't blame him for the loss but it doesn't help when you when you lose your headline that general is really difficult because this is they had an interesting one let's put it that way they went down they were in the right is a ninety six nineteen even this job you're always going to be judged for one or two three four five maybe forty minutes a week I can understand his frustration as last week's episode haven't even more of you listening in so thank you so much for your support I'm sure on the main reasons for increasing numbers has to be Christmas question because I don't know what my own service to the question if I'm on you I agree with you you need to as a coach the title been hearing cancel it so the timeout was given cheerleaders come on installed during the cheerleading and he always refused to speak to his players because he said I didn't talk to you know they they house such monuments season last season and for it to come down like this then hey they're gonna have to find it is there not potentially they sees a for the playoff positions in the last few weeks of the season which is crazy to think off the back of winning also lost you know even if I feel that I've been held on by up until the time out that's it there's nothing else is not like you know the world collapsing you have to situation be able to take yourself out for yourself look Alvin goat is time now we're in this game we haven't won offers two games and because you know there are short numbers and every piece is vitally important because they are there on the level they just need to find that the need to find that discipline that that ability to win and acting light that is just not really GonNa do it yeah no from my point of view so me if I'm topless I'm blaming myself I'm not GonNa lie I'm GonNa be I'm going to be really disappointed with myself in that situation I think the difficulty you have a lot of people see head coach is almost untouchable in season but ultimately these are professionals required execute we all see it's clear today that he only really has Schuyler to be able to make that big shot and Plymouth just ninety two on the clock with thirty four seconds left one trap tailgates found out second time down the floor tie game you're incomplete he can't have on a short roster his guys his important key guys style in out in gametime situations he can't with ninety two coach when it's ninety one a piece with twenty nine seconds to play right that's very true you guys need you as well at the same time they need to have level heads I mean I say that about it when you look at the situation with Tayo as well Crean's go to be able to keep his best players on the floor with the last two minutes to go he and you know if we're honest each other that doesn't help the situation losing control that you can understand if a player loses control loses mind because I have let my team down thrown out when they need you the most is easy to be a coach when you're up by twenty down by twenty you earn your money as situation and you know I'm not overly concerned if I'm sorry fam- right now it sounds crazy there were three but they've run the wolves close they through the game rammed him up in the fourth quarter took that away and it was very difficult for Guilford to school but they still can't in the game they got that ability to be to keeping the game and with a school with a pass first point guard it makes even harder so his management there is effective and it is in the heat the game I understand that and the red mist goes and everything but in the situation they are they will go to everybody is going to work together at that club but not enough oil management or a leader of a team you can't hopefully they've discussed this and they can move on because the professional development no matter when they are in their career how experienced they all they still have things to learn and you know if under management I'm having a conversation with him it's not it's not you know that threw me probably the big thing to to get out of it and you'd hope so management have that very calm it's not criticism it's not a disciplinary the coaching side do you think sorry management we'll have a quiet conversation mcree on off the this game and author of what how it unfolded the discipline it's nothing like that it's just a cream what happened a. k. that's fine you understand that's probably not the best course of action right appearance in your in the game every game you could've won the game every game and you need to learn from that experience need to just adjust slightly and way against flies into a son degree the game has been throwing away against Plymouth that's not that bad they're three teams I should be competing against that compete against them. It's not something that we could have said lost you control this no need to panic you force their pull a stupid foul they go to the free throw line giving them extra points it's the calm the somme white too think a hopefully now that conversation has already been had as in the direction of what they've got who they are where they're going to be at the end of the season can go from one of the greatest job to the loneliest place in the world especially when people don't support you anymore don't support the way your direction goes and everything so I'm just confirmed that he understands now in the day the you know he has some kind of regret all understanding that's not going to help his team win the two point lead halfway through the third quarter and they end up losing by two what's the deal with Bristol Choking Viglen they're going to be a much better team coming out this me too because this is all a learning process right now you know your on demand but you're still willing to compete and everything they didn't just have a twenty two point I to me watching that game they lost that game three times you know that eight point lead as well we totally it's just just checking the you know that's not great right and and we move on from that there's nothing else beyond that four sorry though it is an influence on what is going to happen in a tight game like that the other question half you oversee my background is kind of management of club them than the that's why I totally agree with what you say the club need to stick together because if you create on that job done it as well I had the same feelings in Leuven they need to be able to put themselves in the position where the season starts and they're able maybe to bring in another couple of players to be able to learn from every who minutes left again they put themselves in every contention to win they had every opportunity jody Williams founds out in the first off they can Austria for sorry fans now I did definitely didn't say that I think the only time we say competing was for Worcester for the wooden spoon I think we said mm to cover as a club and really like you said from the season the season that they had lost season they could actually be pushing into the top again really push it clearly dominate it was the we've inside and everything like that but then to me it turns to a point now where yes they have an interest in roster I think onto the southwest they had a big game against Worcester ended up losing it ninety four hundred ninety six but the thing that I wanna talk about is the fact that they had a twenty why shouldn't work brilliantly for this couldn't be better because they are going to get that was their team maybe under level compared to some of the bigger teams but you have

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"Cried passion, then patron tree of college. Football leaves here is the Paul finebaum show. Our one podcast. We welcome you to a Wednesday the day before the NCAA basketball term it begins in and the big story at least around here. Whether PJ Washington will play or not for the university of Kentucky John Calipari meeting. The media today. He was been he has been in a walking. Boop. Will he play or not we're awaiting his status and John Kelly Perry is a meeting with the media right now. And again, I've been doing this thirty some years. I mean, it's play to the training. Stay in. The moment is is the the message to young guys go here on the island. We'll go here next. Nick man's K. Texas news in Abilene. What what do you see as you're looking at the the game film? You're talking about how you wanna make sure that you're focusing on yourself. Everybody is a game plan going in what's up challenges to hit the mouth and the net game plan goes away. That's right. That's right. They again, we've got to take care of the ball because they wanna make they wanna steal balls. They play aggressive. They're five man can shoot. So if you don't go play him he's making shots the championship game. They played he made the two threes. And ended the game was your five, man. So you look at this and say they've got drivers they got a couple of guys that are making threes. They can stretch you out. They can get you near the basket. I mean, they're good. They're good and defensively. They're not just giving you baskets. You're going have to fight because they play the well-coached. Still here left of the aisle. And we'll come back down to the second row Owens. Simpson's. You optimists coach consistently had success recruiting players that have a future in the NBA. How do your players on this team compared to the great players coach in the past every team, I coached his different. And I mean that literally like I come in each year. And it's a brand new team. This team is skilled one of the higher skilled teams that I've had. This team has been able to stay in the moment and be about each other which in this day and age was social media with the clutter around them with the people. The flattery they get which is you're better than sewn. So you should be shooting. More shots, y they hear this the enable being enabled and the fight that this team has done. Unbelievable. Is there an Anthony Davis or Karl towns and nail get men? Now, they want all thirty of them want me to mention them right now. Do you guys mind if I mentioned all thirty? The two billion dollars in contracts those kids make I can do it. If you want me to but these kids are different now. They're professionals to they're going to be in that lake, but they're doing it together. And in different guys doing it. The one advantage we have with this year's team has retrievers. I mean, I'm not coached a twenty three year old since I left, you mess. And he is so professional and how he handles everything practices preparation training himself and also getting his body. Right. So you know, he's one of those guys now he's not been in this tournament. So he's another one that you look at other than PJ the other guys really Nick played a few minutes, but he's not they've not been significant in this thing. So that's something. We got to see how it turns out on the second row here. We'll go to the far left next. Jerry tipton. Lexington herald leader I was going to ask you about read. And how big of a challenge is it for him to to stay focused with finally getting to the NCWA. And then with the final four in Minneapolis hometown. Where it is. That's what I hear. Wow. I grabbed him today. I said you prepared your whole life for this. And I said have a ball man have a bowl. And if he relies on his training instead of thinking all the he will be fine because no one trains like him. And whatever you ask him. I can get on him like really hit him. And he's fine. He never wavers. I mean, I scream he missed a free throw last game. And I just looked screamed at him make a thorough cross. And he made the next one main. He's. I had a ball coaching them. I mean, absolutely every day. I walk in kind of like I used to say what you mall Murray who would smile. Make me smile every time. I see him when I walk into Jim Travis I smile, I know he's going to give us everything you can Kentucky basketball summing up with Cal said at the very beginning of this news conference that PJ Washington's sprained his foot in the Tennessee game. Kalinowski x rays in the MRI all came back. Good. But they wanna be extra careful. So he's seeing a specialist today. He wants to play he'll be Jacksonville in the next hour or so so you can you can interpret this. Anyway, you want I'm not trying to be a foot specialist in terms of what you can and cannot see on an x Ray sprain is a sprain. There are many degrees of sprain. The problem is is your. Player. He's your most critical player in you're playing in the NC double A tournament. So what is the net effect? Can he get out there and play? Of course, they can p people played on broken foots far worse. It's the effectiveness that people will have to be concerned about and then the danger of reinjuring most people believe Kentucky can get out of this weekend. Dany Ramlet running this team question is next week. When Kentucky will have to deal with schools like North Carolina. So that's where we are here on a very busy Wednesday on the eve of two of the wildest days of the year, Tim Brando will join us. We'll get his take on it. He saw he seen a lot of college basketball this year. Jay bilas. I think the questions will be similar for both. Mike white probably won't ask him about PJ Washington. And I have no earthly idea what we are going to be asking Katie Nolan, but she will be here. And we cannot we. Wait, her virgin appearance on this program? Your phone calls as well at eight five five to four to seven two eight five eight five five to four to seven to eight five look forward to talking to all of you. And let's begin with Harry in New Orleans. Hello, harry. All afternoon, thanks for taking my call. Thank you. Well. Have a real quick question today for you. Was the last time that you can remember that you've ever seen a college boy like Zeile on just overwhelm the the game while festively and defensively. And I'll listen I'm interested in what you have to say, I was talking to some people the other day, and it's a different situation, Harry. But the last time I saw someone and by the way, there is a different seeing someone on television and seeing someone up close on never forget the first time I saw certain player. I was sitting at the scores table press row about twenty five years ago and my jaw dropped, and I I saw him many more times to play in his college career. I've never seen anything like it. And I have not seen I on in person. But but but to this day, I've never seen a more imposing player on the court. You have any idea who it was. Shaquille o'neal. Well, that's a good answer. That's schule. I mean, absolutely. He's absolutely. The most overwhelming now Shaquille. It wasn't an Nesher keel in the NBA was still pretty overwhelming. But it was Shuki. He'll in a college game. That was that. I was struck by spoken to many people that have been courtside was on. Brandon will be with few minutes. He's seen a number of zion's games. But I it's it's it's it's it's a size. It's mobility. It's his demeanor. All of those things that make him so special. I think it's just amazing. How much of a difference one one man can play. And I'm sure they're blessed to have him back and. Appreciate your answer. Paul. Thank you very much right to you on Ron is up next in Texas. Ron go right ahead. This is Roe from Texas. Thanks for taking my call. Thank you. I'm you know, I'm I am person. But I also happen to attend two years of Abilene Christian. Okay. So I'm I'm following them. But here's two names for Madeline Christian that I'm sure you recognize them. Well, appreciate that were there when I was in school that Longley. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And Randall Tex. L? The more infamous than Clinton lonely. Those are two major figures from the seventies major figures from nineteen seventy eighties. That's the year. I started there. Yeah. And also got to see Thomas Henderson play acu and the national championship game the small college national championship game. And I believe that was seventy three. But you know, I I don't know if they have a chance I heard a rumor that prior to their. Being named to the tournament. The coach kicked out there to best players for some college violations. It's a rather strict school. I would imagine right to wrong. We're up against the break. Busy first couple of minutes here with cows news conference will update you if we have anything new to add we'll talk to Tim and Jay Bilas about the impact of that injury. And your phone calls at eight five five to four to seven to eight five listening to Paul finebaum show podcast. Okay. We're back. Let's get to the call today. Five to four two seven two eight five. And what about Brad in Arkansas? You're up next. Hey, brad. Hey, how you doing today? Okay, buddy. Hey, I was wondering how how do you think that Indiana and Arkansas how do you think Arkansas is going to be able to? We're talking about the NRT here. I thought Arkansas played really well. And I caught some of that game. I was really happy for coach Anderson. And again as people told us the first game in the NFC sometimes can be the more difficult than that game. I believe it was on the road. Nice conversation yesterday with no one Richardson about one of his former pupils the most famous people, Mike Anderson, thanks for the call. Let's check in with Robert in Alaska. Robert, you're on the air out ahead. Those are there. Yes. I don't know if I'm the first person ever call from the last go, but I'm here. I do all the SEC. We get it on the dish network. Thank you. I was wondering if you think that Clemson and our Bama will make it next year in nineteen national championship game. And if they do that would make it I believe for the last five years that happened. And if it did happen, do you think they would go to eight teams instead of four we'll thanks for the call from Alaska. First of all, Robert, I don't think anything would make the college football playoff go to eight teams next year. I for some reason I'm betting against it. I don't think I don't think clemson's gonna get back. I think the they have they have too much pressure of the year that they were defending champion. They made it to the semi. They did not get to the finals. I would take Alabama right now over Clemson to get to the national championship game. Thanks for the call. Do. Appreciate it, Mark. And. Shadow new you're on the air. Go right ahead. Paul first caller longtime Liska, thank you. Hey, I won't get your caller. I listened to call the Lance. He's from Jasper, Tennessee. I don't know if you've been in that area where he lives probably would would stay away from any place. He is. Yeah. It's a combination of seeing the movie Mississippi burning I have the little town that that probably. Describes Jasper with the population say the movie deliverance. Yeah, you know, I tell you what this show is this show is gotten considerably better without Lance calling in. Yeah. I don't know where he gets his college football dollar doesn't have. He doesn't have any. Though, he sure does it. And another thing I was ask you, you know, we had. We'll wait here you teach the first couple of years. Right. And you know, once you're if they can is through tree is college basketball. Well, Markelle he has no future deller shoe. It's impossible to predict until he testifies if he if he testifies, and it can be and what he said is collaborated, which I think it will be then I think shooter in college basketball is abysmal. Yeah. He made a big mistake. I'm sure. You know, hopefully down the road, you know, fusion, good coaches, get second chances and. Listen, I don't want to write them off completely. But he is in big trouble in terms of future job. Thank you for the call Scott is in Louisiana, and you are next up. Hey, scott. Hey, great to talk to your Paul. Thank you. The segment that you had the Monday with coach Brown was super. I agree. Totally. He was. I've been communicating with Dale since then, and he's just one of the greatest people I've ever met. There should be a the court at LSU should be named for Dale. Or after you know, our lease the the street that runs between tiger say him and the P MAC should be renamed. Dale Brown drive. So I hope you'll put that out there. And I want you to know how much your show is meant to me over the years, followed you had some personal and health problems now and also met you buddy, Mr. Marcus spears out of trade show in Las Vegas several years ago, just just by chance, and he was super nice to me. I don't know if he would remember me. But that would that was several years ago. I've been to many trade shows over my years and have made a lot of people. And if got time I wanna tell you an interesting story about John Ferguson. Well for those on John's, a legendary voice of the Tigers. He also did a lot of basketball for ES for for the SEC on on. When it got its grew grew. Up. You know, I went to LSU from seventy five to seventy nine and graduated in December seventy nine. So I remember, you know, the bow Ryan situation. Sure. We we call are. We went to school in the air. John. Ferguson was just a. Wasn't incredibly important pioneer in broadcasting, and you know, sadly people pass away, and we we forget them. But he he is a quick thing about his son, John go ahead, and he spelled his name Joe J O N. He looked a lot like John in the face. But he was a tall Talla, man. He actually lived across the street from parents in central Anna. So we got to be front rarely friendly with John for a few years, and he would come over and visit and I hope he's out there. He'll he'll come mother who is in pretty bad health right now. And the last I heard about John is he became a flight attendant? And that's the last thing. I heard about him was Scott number one. Thank you for saying what you did. And I certainly wish you only the best with your with your health. And I hope you'll call again soon. Thank you so much Paul Paul you meant so much to me. I really thanks for taking my call. We appreciate it and all the best. Thank you so much. Really nice call. We're up against a break here, Tim Brando, and Jay Bilas, some of the guests. We will be talking to in the first two hours of our program. Knowing better to talk to about college basketball than our next guest, Tim Brando. We are also going to get back to your calls it eight five five two four to seven to eight five again if you just got on board. John Calipari confirming today that PJ Washington has been in a walking boot he sprained his ankle against Tennessee. The tests showed. Positively. But he is going to see a specialist right now in Jacksonville. He's expected to play his effectiveness. We have no earthly idea. We'll be right back. You're listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast. Welcome back. We continue here on a Wednesday. A lot of news going on. We got the tournament the four in Dayton continues. Tonight. Two more games. Let's get right back to our guest list. And no, none better talk about the NCAA tournament, and Tim Brando who's been busy, wrapping up his Ray com. Career last week of the ACC. And of course, doing so many games for FOX Fox Sports one TIMMY bay it's March, and what a pleasure it is to have you on our program. Let me tell you spring has sprung the cherry blossoms and Bradford payers out not only insurance, but in Chateau, Brando and truth fort to Paul, and you know, I was thinking about that first job that they always talking about that you were talking about with Dale health, and you out and that might have been this report times. It wasn't one of these days. I'm one of these days. You're you're gonna have to bring me back to report. I think there's some warrants out for me for unpaid bills. But I think it's time for me to be a grand marshal of of at least, maybe the Bolger's city or the the Bose your parents. Paret? Yeah. That. For I still remember caddo BOS you're parish. I think I've got that. Absolutely. No that it tug at my. My my heartstrings. There's I was listening to walking from the boardwalk hotel in in Naples to the beach the other day, and some some of your fans there tweeted out your interview with Dale, and and I listened to it, and it just all boy that it was it was just the best. It was vintage stale vintage call so. Yeah. No, I thought I was I was retro at this week with Dale on on Monday and knowing on Tuesday, who's next Sonny Smith, wimp, Sanderson. Well, give it give it to the state of Arkansas for doing whatever it was that was necessary to make sure that Nolan Richardson gets his name on that court, right? By the way, that was never. There was never the same kind of bitterness at LSU with Dale than than what the bitterness was for Nolan with Arkansas when he left and for them to have figured that out. You know, let's give that state Tim. Why isn't DALE'S name on the court? It's it's a joke. It's just a joke. It's as listen, I live in Louisiana. And I I love my state at used to live here by choice. I can live anywhere. I like, so I will say things that others won't say because it it needs to be said Deo ruffled feathers along the way because gale was going to be a good to everyone. Not not just a select few. He was going to be good to everyone when it was not necessarily necessarily. Popular to be good to everyone Gail was the first white member of the Louisiana WCTC. Okay. So there were people at times that Dale would would would upset along his, Pat, and frankly, Paul, you know, this enough about my career to know there have been times when maybe I didn't act in my own best interest by telling the truth telling the truth is not an easy thing to do. But in the end as you look back, particularly once you get to a point in your life, where you think okay, I've I've succeeded enough things that if I can admit some failures in some areas, I will be I will be the the barometer for those that are lying to themselves. Okay. And that's what Dale was all about. And that's the thing. I took away from coach grounding, the time that I was living. Listen, there were a handful of influences in my life that helped get me where I am today. But none none none greater than Daniel. Other than my father, Dale was the most influential in terms of making the understand what it was gonna take to be successful into know that along the pathway that we're going to be those that weren't as happy for you. As maybe you thought they should be. But to understand that you've got to get beyond that rise above it. That's what ground is all about. And listen, I. The issues that at Louisiana state university that abide by just the near circumstance that that the board itself is appointed by the governor. I liked this new governor, he's democratic governor. I like him, but they need to take the steps necessary to make sure that Dale Brown's name is on that court. And if someone says, okay, well, we need to get soup gutters name because of what she did as a women's coach on the other side, then so be it. Good. Get it done. But for Shaquille. There would have been no Shaquille O'Neal statue. If not prevail Brown and Pete Marich, God rest, his soul. His name is on the the building. And he was gone. He was dead. That's why it was easy to have it done this notion that you have to be dead to have your name put on a building or on a floor is. I mean, that's as bad as the police rule that we have in our state, there's so many areas politically where we are behind the times. And this is yet another example of that. But. Sadly, they've got bigger fish to fry right now because at the mockery that they have made of their basketball program in their entire flooded department in lieu of what's taking place right now. With regard to the FBI y. Tim what will finish up then we'll take a break. Maybe get some thoughts on the term. But, but what's your best guess being integrated into the world of college basketball? You are in in relation to LSU's future. We safe assumption ways not part of it. But what's the trickle down? Well, wait should have been fired the moment that he didn't accept the invitation for a meeting with his athletic director. So why is he not fired? Why why why is Jim believe not firing him Paul? He should have been fire at the moment that he said he would not meet with them. Okay. I get the fact that from his can't you're saying, well, we're on a federal wiretap. This is an FBI issue. And I'm only up and because I'm lawyering up. I can't talk to you. We'll guess what as an institution. LSU doesn't have to concern themselves with that they needed to say. Okay. Well, then you're not gonna be with us. You're fired. So what do they have to hide? Why did they not know? Why is Joel Eva the director Avila's new sounding fifty surprise that will Wade's name and voice popped up on FBI wiretap. I believe the initial peak Tamil story all occurred in October. And then we knew what a month later that he was being subpoenaed. So how could the athlete department be surprised if the department of surprised that this is going on then the director has no business being there? I mean, that's the bottom line. If you Tober that his name along with Shawn Miller was up. What is the first job of athletic director, get to your coaching that coach I need to know. What of this is through? And better know, everything that there is a true. Or is it not true? And if there's more to this than what we already know what is it and to know now, and if I don't know it now, guess what you're fired on the spot. That's what he do as a as a leader of a department of athletics. That's what do that is your job. You can't just go out and hire a search firm to hire you a coach. Now, you're the guy that hired him that your responsibility to know whether he acted on the up and up, and if he didn't you get rid of him? Instead, I'm reading stories. Well, I was surprised no idea. You had no idea. Everybody cover. Basketball have an idea we knew about it in late October. So that's the problem. It's stick, and it's a it's an embarrassment to the state of the Anna into Louisiana state university period. Don't go anywhere, Tim Brando, was his we'll get his take man that was quite a take. We'll get his take on the the basketball tournament, especially what's happening with the PJ Washington. And we'll get his take on Johnny saw all last week at the ACC. We are coming right back to listening to Paul finebaum show podcast. Let's consider the secret life of the Imos nesting doll living, most of her life in the dock inside the other nesting Dole's. She has plenty of time to think if we could sadly, she has no brain, however, when in most nesting dole, his gyco not only saves people money, but also has been providing great service over seventy five years. She thinks it's obvious. You should switch because. Yes, twitching gyco is a no brainer pitchy in most nesting Dollond lot in life. Back. So glad you're with us, Tim Brando joins us or continues to join us, and we would like to get TIMMY be to tournament and really eager to get your overall taken in our remaining moments. All let me first off say because you're right there in Charlotte. What a wonderful job the people Charlotte did and the fans of the ACC felt thank you to them. I don't if you had a chance to see it. You're busy. I know in Nashville, but when we close the door on Ray com sports, and I always everybody at ESPN and the ACC network nothing, but the greatest of success, I think west durum has been hired who was with us at Ray com for number of years what he's son, and I know what he them of North Carolina famous smiling. And have it though west is going to be the prime voice of of SEC of ACC football. But for us going off the air, they came with the Jumbotron and the camera in the under eight time out and paid on a homage to rake sports, nearly forty years coverage and put the camera on Mike Jamin ski and myself and a good number of the eighteen thousand or so stood up. And you know, we're not accustomed to being booed of into being cheered. And and getting standing ovations quite the opposite. We we generally get third. By fans of game. So that was a great great honor. And it was a tremendous on, and my many thanks to go spans in the ACC John swap with the Commissioner, and and the people of those schools, you know, the fans of the schools that we come every year or two ACC tournament games. I get it right year for the ACC. But also the SEC in the starlet of all I think Tennessee, you're on the monarch's gonna make the run to the final four. They they along with Texas Tech on my to off o- off the grid picks to make it all the way to the final four. The reason I like Tennessee is the draw that they have they're going to get for Jinya in the elite eight, and I think they match up extremely well with Virginia because of the quickness and athleticism of grant Williams in Admiral Scofield and and their their guards. And the fact that now they're getting some three point shooting from their guards that. Was lacking a little bit earlier in the year? I think that they can hold up well against the Kyle guy and tied to Rome. I do think those two are on a collision course in that bracket. Texas Tech is going to be in the zag bracket. And I think that is going to run into issues on that side of the bracket with both Nevada and Texas Tech Nevada returns, the two brothers transferred from NC state that are really legit basically the entire team that made it to the Sweet Sixteen and barely lost a loyal Chicago. And sister Jean last year. I think that that'll be the toughest test for Texas Tech. I think they're gonna get through Gonzaga might even get bounced by Syracuse in in the second round. I think that the opportunity exists for Syracuse to once again fool everybody and get to the second weekend, North Carolina and Duke, I think about gonna make it to the final four. But I think North Carolina's path is easier than dukes amazing to say this. But it's true Duke is the overall. Once he gets no favors by being in the same bracket with Virginia Tech who they'll have to match up with and Sweet Sixteen Virginia Tech team that by the way beat them without Justin Robinson about a month ago. They get Justin Robinson bad, then they also may have to match up with Michigan state who just wanted to big ten tournament and as a good favor a little bit. Like, auburn's didn't matter. Auburn seemingly won the SEC title. Seemingly didn't matter that that. Michigan state won the big ten title and swept Michigan because they got a hundred draw. Michigan did that have to play Duke and the regional finals. But I think ultimately do is going to wear down in the tournament. Because of who they have to play with are gonna go North Carolina. I think has the sweetest draw and I see North Carolina Duke final first time ever in the history of the NCAA tournament that those to meet in the national championship. And I like North Carolina to surprise everyone and beat Duke for the national title. So let me follow up on North Carolina. They are in Kentucky's regional everyone says that PJ Washington will play the test on the ankle or negative. You've watched a lot of college basketball you start playing with an ankle. What does it do? And what does it mean? It means that he made out the at one hundred percent when they're trying to make everyone thinks that he is. And that's a problem for them. They didn't have the ability to outscore Tennessee when when Tennessee really wasn't at their best and going through a six or seven minute drought in the semi finals. That's the problem Cal has. And by the way, they're great young team. That's doing I think playing a very high level, Paul. But they're not as talented as North Carolina. The tar heels I think a lot of people impression as well. Yeah. They beat Duke. But they beat them without scien-. Don't let this an story. Take you over. Okay. Is he a great player is he a generational player? Yeah. He is. But North Carolina can beat you with Luke maye. Who is an incredibly consistent player gets a second chance points out the Oiseaux he can also shoot the three Colby white should have been. I always see he's a better guard than trade known Duke. And that's just a fact he's a better offense guard trae Jones, he can do more things than trae Jones RJ Barrett and camera tish have not been playing the part. I saw Duke go to for fourteen and still win the ACC title because Florida state couldn't hit the ocean. Florida state has problems scoring from time to time I've still fit by the way, the Seminoles are going to go elite eight on their side of the bracket to winter Hamilton's done an incredible job. But North Carolina's a bad matchup Purdue they would've beaten to without Zion Williamson game one, and nobody talked about it. Because Ziya Williamson got hurt in Dame won their Kobe is the best pure guards better than no than than the Noah was he's better than tiles. And was and you add that with Cam Johnson who's the best pure shooter. Cameron Johnson is the best bureau distraught about and you know, I think that Roy's team also has a real edge here Paul because they're tired of this narrative that if science world, and we're all welcomed into it Zion Williamson's generational player in a great kid. It's sad that there's so much negativity out there about the exposure he's gotten and by the way, I got no problem with all the exposure. Because he deserves it the problem with the exposure is so much of it is what we're gonna go. Where's he going to be at the next level? I don't care and the majority of college basketball fans don't care. That's what pisses people off about zoo. The they hate Zayn Williamson or do it's that they hate the narrative they wanna enjoy college basketball for what it is North Carolina is the most under appreciated tar heels team in my Ford. Decades of covering college basketball, and they're going to have a mental edge going into this tournament that people just do not understand Tim. We are at the end, but this was an incredibly enjoyable segment with you as always look forward to talking anymore times as assuming we'd get you off the golf course. Well, if it's not golf or being big daddy for these grandkids are going to Home Depot for Terry. I'm here for you. We heard you head quite around today and your return. Yeah. A lot of fun. Thanks. Thank you. Always great. Tim get picking Tennessee to make the final former not getting past the semi finals to make it. And he does not predict Duke excuse me, does not predict Kentucky to get past North Carolina in that regional Tim making a lot of friends here today, especially in LA shoe. We'll be right back with much much more.

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Ep52: What difference would Soko make to Lions?

Makem Takem

33:42 min | 1 year ago

Ep52: What difference would Soko make to Lions?

"We'll take a walk through the weekends British boss Action Thankfully Christmases join me again. Chris Hey mark how are you good I'll run of increasing our listeners cloudy welcome to make him take him once again a too long you know there's a lack of understanding between that and some ways as well it seems like they knew costs will just don't understand who they are because they it took them so long to take the time out in the second quarter third quarter after that Sheffield big run and you have to question maybe it's not the can the game and you know what is it you talk about leadership is there a fear factor you know Fab wasn't the easiest to play for he certainly instead in their armored they've got comes out again and this note that there is no leadership there's no there's no buddy holding together it took them passiveness because they show that aggressiveness on their responsibility but what I really worry about is whether leadership comes from in dead moments of the game where they actually may be new cost of taking that turn in point but what you see again just pure lack of maybe leadership on and off the floor assistance the this sub implies as well the on pulling the white light Hussein again he didn't really play very well he keeps keeps dafoe out the that's not something we expect to see from you call so usually as soon as they get their nose in front get double digit lead you're just saying dust as they put away from you you don't see them slip and let you be Mr and after less lost Cheshire that we coughed up by plane exactly the same way with no effort and everything like that and I really thought that aw within this group of players just don't there was there was a key moment when you're watching that game it's it started right they ended the first half with with old respect should we put it politely but setting amount of fair if you didn't kill those games off I was gonNA call you our does cool you out and issues on the first question I have for you and again I'm interested to see what the fan's perspective might be on this as well but the first question is up in the northeast have Newcastle lost a defense they actually they can run on you all the time and they can increase runs and everything but all of a sudden it becomes no sharing that the united becomes in okay good I think my talents there but so far they've shown in these crunch close games that they've not got what it takes to win and that's no new cost us to oversee losing by three in overtime this weekend food scored zero for the place on to take it back fifty then all of a sudden figures into their eyes they stopped playing slow in this king who actually put it together yes it's GonNa be it's GonNa be interesting who steps up in this situation because the moment you've got you know I don't question talented new cost of God I think they play within that tempo they slow their own tempo down they look confused they stop picking at each other and is a very massive I think well what fabulous better than what they are the moment is understanding who he has to play I mean a plane with two very small gods when they play in transition intensified in the armor and any any team that's willing to play this team you gotta sing it doesn't matter if they go fifteen points up now if we can get at them start running on them and actually and let's see if we can increase I'm phyllis plans to the questions we've got certainly a bit of a mixed bunch of questions this week some focusing on team someone players and someone bigger the killer in them since lashed what I what I see from watching the game against Sheffield because I was blinded a bit when new cost of Wenham Platelets fifteen point lead twice in a game you you you have to take a look at yourself as well and really see where that problem is coming from you know you can't it now when you look on the other side and you look at McKnight midnight can control and you know Nick Lewis can go crazy a couple of times it doesn't matter because you know you've always got the position played the same way that new cost that used to play against them they can't handle that right now and maybe that's part of it as well you know not just the fear factor of new cost and when they're up by fifteen again white sharks at halftime towards again against the rocks they lost by two in overtime when they were up by eleven at the half editing from the floor as this an understanding of how they wanNA play sometimes it's you know it's going to get you into trouble and when people run on us that but their understanding of how they wanNA play together plus against new causes not understanding who they are and how they how they can win ahead it's okay against teams going into these possible playoff positions you can't go into you can't have a problem two weeks before them find they've come back into this game and and it really does for me from the SHEFA point of view stem from this depth that they now have you know they still have injury shoes you know they're still relying on the bench players last couple of years you still saw Newcastle basketball if you understand what I mean in that system now it is growing point but it's a warrant ah understand with each other that this is how we play and I think that's really what Fab was always very good at even even though they hadn't won anything so you have to give a little credit to Sheffield but my concern don't sit with Newcastle you know I regret team Tana talent coach but it's just in these close didn't thing because you know they also come from a team that is looking to win so time is also on the against them okay so moving on to our next question the bb L. Social media kind of drum started beating this week is over so coach tweeted out but if a crook pins in them and they've also got team working guys as Mazda top that can control am nine the can control I mean he he went twelve has that he's been able to find these Champions League first team final four appearance back that up last season as well with a second team appearance you know take tweet ended it with an a lion Emoji I'm sorry presumption is that he's about to re signed for the lines off the he's stint on you know chef really impressive yet again and that never say die mentalities maybe someone that's been missing from Sheffield as well so this is great for them and their fans you know right you still have the same problem afterwards in the only thing that's happened is that you've played some easier teams in between or you haven't played the teams up to level they've got to go back in and they're gonNA find a way I love Ireland what do you think question as what difference will Soco Make Jones aligns just a little joke in start do you think lovie circle make more money than the B the growth that pyramid between Peel Justin Robinson etc in debt and the way they complain yet for me if you get the Tillis writes all of the teams combined yeah there could be a better marketing strategy with this one the lake very good for London and be able to get an anchor appoint of scoring appointed toughness in the point of acceleration and just even aims and ultimately is likely to be these close games that make or break your season yeah you can't you can't go into the second half of the season into league clay you know with especially gang you I have a feeling you're getting an exceptionally distracted so co who's doing a nightclub appearance at three o'clock in the morning and then expecting to play the following day guy really was the actual tire for this one yeah and I you know I don't want to do is detract from Sheffield here what they've done is a great job again talking about this but lovie what they're going to get is the solid a solid smooth forward that is going to be very good is a fab not being there anymore is gone maybe slot factor the opposition has gone as well not the case even if I have four quarter and they give the eagles a bit of an z ninety percent of the best out of him because that is sometimes enough to play in this league so he can he can honestly be an impact I just really hope size issues he let's face it he's coming in he's coming in from Syria he's always had the little tag on hand where he sees the fight for what he hasn't that when he you know because ultimately he's going to own a hell of a lot more going to nightclubs insane high and high fiving people in the crowd and from basketball and that's why he's coming back to London let's not you know we we across town in London you've got the laugh twins doing a job for the royals and not playing a huge amount but my goodness may fans in you know and laid that they've still got a chance to break back into the game that that is not a game that egos again a necessarily close out and you just destroyed because at to drop it and I imagine this is part of the thought for London lines yes we're going to bring lovie and yes he's a phenomenal player and if we could sign and we would anyway but he's GonNa bring you'd hope so for me you bring Soco in and they're starting five is looking ahead of a lot better than it did however my caveat as is which so cold running marketing campaigns to drive ticket sales dry find engagement so you know as much as he's following his great they need very structure should you know ideas and communications to pump through him to his following that's what they need to be doing in my concern is all going to capitalize the most on it and all they we're gonNA draw fans that will come to CRV play but convert those fans like city roles I've no doubt wanted to do convert these fans into long-term lines good news because I understand he he's a great aspect for the for the national team as well he's great is is great for so you know there's literally no one else doing the heavy lifting they've obviously lost tab from last year Bristowe from June the front they brought in Alan Jordan impactful he's only averaging twelve again so this has to work maybe not just this season but also next season otherwise we could see the you know demise again and drop off within that organization is a change in London you can see a change in their finance this year because of what they put on the floor from the beginning of the season and the players that they haven't been out side it also is above the level of the B. B. O. His demand in Spain would be pretty high get a much complain contract so much better for his boss will create but he uh or are we getting distracted Boston what was the Assad Venture I'm an I hope so because he is good at basketball and I hope he can what the London get what London Gez fantastic claiming that what London is a is a small full that will help them with their offense you know with that have contracts was supposed to go the way in the change of Contra as changing coach he probably would still be in Mercier if that didn't happen and the report Unicorn to love island we will need quake as possible player so I really hope we're able to manage he's able to manage this expectation and to be good version of SOCO MRIs huge for the lines and huge for the BB L. Because for the Lions Appeal at the moment scoring twenty eight points a game because there's no one else to do it coverage from you've got to take this opportunity while it lasts because these things don't come knocking on the door but I think he has I do think he has the discipline in the thank substantial minutes and they still come out with these winds yes they make mistakes these players but you they come into you know they're coming back into the game and they get wins against top level teams ABO vice versa I think those two signs of big as well you know but you can see that lines of save them money in that building for the regular season Detroit so ought to be up to do that I just hope that the the London also as well they're able to manage this to were able to get the best out of him pads I'm not sure they will yeah is is it going to be another hit of a one-season destruction course where you bring in this and that it's not gonna be it's GonNa take told and ends up like a circus because it is able to work out yeah and that's the thing about that controlled but you know deep down realistically no that isn't the case because right now they don't have the roster to do it so hey I really hope that this lovie Soco thing works out knows at the moment in the UK he can go to his Muslim fry sauce and he can come through these other things and probably and more in a year then he done in five playing basketball so we get in good so soco things created I think Sam's a great God spring off the bench tons of energy really versatile class Wasi dying Kodo again another great backup uh-huh fingers crossed they've done their homework and they feel a marketing plan that's going to execute okay so let's move on to our third question then what next so are totally agree he has the power to to what she bring in more fans into the into the sport than any one time event does b again even with Vince Vince can try to convince the fans on united he's he's out there to win this competition because the B. B. O. comp because the defending champions him and as well as over because he's a great guy but he he needs to really manage this right he needs to be up to take not just for this season not just as vice he's instagram following within that he is going to draw tickets house a concern I have is I don't think London Lonzo great amongst themselves I think one of the poor teams in the BBC actually decision to be able to match their intensity and what everything they can do that their ability to score and everything might biggest concern just watching it offs they can go they can probably be one of the teams that can also drop into the nine tending rotation they can go deep off the bench but again just because of the following in a location where he's playing so yet this has to be right for them this has to be right for London of voice unite the you can see not every year that's that pretty go the boss these Bristol flies every year I'm always interested by them because when you look at them they outside he they outrun they can play organized they can you know they can play they kept good balance within their roster they have the ability to put sixty points of new in one you know that's a great backup situation for the Justin Robinson you know give him some time to stop to breathe maybe take him off ball moving to the to God Dang Dang Makoto play the one the mcginest defensively united them is consistency and effort they this so big but sometimes they play with beat the right is by twenty points amazing performance this weekend they beat the lions by three points do we think the ceiling is for this season's flies this season but that she to provide for the future as well yeah fully great I think the opportunity huge I think it'd be great to see you playing the BB l. You know there's some great match Asian Yeah and Yeah I completely agree with you can see one that cutting their wage about budget overall and to that doing what we talked about I don't care well any make sure that capitalize on and off the floor lawns really drive these marching tune that God because he's very red you're gonNA get a play with two point two million followers on instagram playing for you in energy hopes to walk that's going to be huge those London Dhabi's again are going to be great to walk you know they gonNA capped clause that's the thing you need on say that back loading again they've just signed Sam to Wasi Dying Kodo which I actually think Qatar really good song under the radar because of the social media kind of fire that the less effort you know it's like driving is like driving a Ferrari at seventy miles an hour you just can't he liked that if you want to continue to build watching this team grownups jet down to the South West Bristol plus a tough start to the season but things seem son to go their way we can before this one into the sea last week I'm afraid I know a lot of what we did wrong maybe it was my rent I I don't know but let's see if we can pick up again be a game or Lafferty for the social media point two million that just finding that fate cannot who's taking what role in the team these kind of things may be that's the situation you know they've gotten great plans weirdly both named Thomas you know Fred watching them build season after season they continuously do get better with the product that they put on the floor I just feel now that that inconsistency able to adjust that switch then the season is extremely high for them because they have got the ability to have got the players they have got the rotation to be able to imp and you can easily you always in the one thing would bristol is that you know you always in a game with them because you know at one point they are going to switch off if the sometimes defensively in the inconsistency of effort because when they do turn on they're very very good but when they don't that very susceptible people score easily on the it's right is phenomenal performance you know but then you look at other Games a lot you say they just didn't seem to turn up mentally they didn't seem to be that I'm wondering whether it's calling me Pov that transition that I have no idea which hold them sticking them in no idea which pigeonholed do they belong in you know you see them some weeks and the last couple of weeks particularly the game again act do very well in this league yeah I dunno the Bristol's a funny one for me if I'm completely honest I just don't know you know you try and pigeonhole clubs into okay they're gonna be this against against Plymouth in that they told him told that young team off the floor point site but they can't do it when it's easy you gotta learn to be if they can control the effort between them if they can control the the ability to not make so many mistakes between the pickup up to do that consistently all the time and this is going to be the tipping point to Bristol in going forward because hey you gotta play with that intensity of earlier defensively to be to assigned to a role which they need to do because it is coming through you do start to see it because it points they play extremely well the body able to give what they can give do what they can do to make this team as good as it can be because that sometimes what you just miss in and rosters there so to me it's it's not the ability that will they come together I think it's the way they do come together as ever they are so inconsistent in results inconsistent between quarters led teams take advantage of them and again just provide a massive crack in there justin again I still see some of the downside to what they had last year which is still within the system site I think I truly believe really maybe on these two players offensively below that you're looking at a dozy on twelve Thomas Edwards on under eleven and Bradley their other import only on ten hello my biggest concern for them is they don't control what they connect you can control themselves effort you can control your cells playing with size now given up ten it didn't that question last year remember I go on the US as well because I believed in what I saw very pick up the slack it's it's that because you see that as well I saw that a couple of games back with it was like a power struggle with WHO's what are we doing here okay you're going to jump off the feds now the playoffs are on the moment yes because I think they're good enough to make the playoffs because offensive rebounds a game because you know you have size something that in your mind says a team you can control yourselves and I think deep down when you look at the roster can you to get better and better or do you think they're going to have a couple of games a couple of bad games a couple of you know a a an end up in that precarious position of doing make the playoffs that don't we of a big picture question we we see it year in year out obviously we have different budgets different financial restraints for each of the teams some are able to spend home for my when I feel like they're getting better which is great you know it's great to see particularly if you're a flies and like I say about you know battling that three point I see that they're mistakes are then or what they could use as a team you know how they come together is they come if they can't reduce them little things and take things on that night there is no real excuse at the moment because you are sometimes just playing one game a weekend so if you're if you're not ready for that then hey they're not again so or why they put themselves in that trouble I think they dig their own hold and hope overcome it because they do have the roster and the players to be able to do it you take sorry this year you can put effort you can put energy you can put everything that within a culture that you run at your club etc etc but winning horrible horrible Nag in the back of my mind that we will be having this conversation you know we will be getting into a in why Bristol still struggling to secure seeing glimmers of the Bristol flies team that we see every year especially to you now kind of a sub question is do you think they gonna continue this project tree and who is that too much weight on these two players the when it comes to the big gangs if things work out how to stop Frank Thomas Gentry Thomas is anyone else going to St budget for nine you budget for nine guys where you're able to you know united three of them you're GONNA lose at the end of the season because you have to bring him in because she in school with our best leading scorer off the floor in as kind of no United States you do you to question whether they as a team they find LSD finding out about each other win against lions getting the win against right is they've had all the you know they they had a big comeback win against scorch is I think it was opening game at a season where they came back from a huge deficit to beat them in overtime so we aims that sometimes does come down to money so he is as as a coaching staff you always budget for if it was a normal season for something you always practice and then the final the final three which would be the last last three on your roster how'd you impact the scale of your youth development which is another B I wanna be a part of the club the next three as well with the guys that want to chase down and make an impact within the team to bring in that team dynamic to push each other teams and I think there is a bigger gap widening from the bottom teams now going forward I think I think sometimes the budget really helps me three two seasons in most cases I think that genetics play a budget gap is is is the same for we've in maybe six seven eight awesome players some have to really scratch around find every single penny they can to rub together to try and get him on the floor that's competitive So the question I have to you and you mind she was in the League of impact in the the rise of your professional growth side in some teams I when you look at it is very year the club and how do you budget that moving forward and just cannot be a one year off the year of the Yeah I agree playoff place I don't understand why this season locked-in already you know and that's the thing I'm scared of the maybe they don't have that consistency and that confidence to carry on playing but taking what role if they can continue that then yeah absolutely the potentially break into that top six that would be great for Bristol this year I think however on the same as you I kinda think I have a year I think that's why this nice sustainability there's also a big divide within budget within the League and it's also down to the teams it does happen as a byproduct because of the profession is in the show it shouldn't be a case of being able to survive on the community based project as being a professional is going to be a community based thing which unfortunately remember this is a professional you know you're you're listed as a professional league so the community based thing Tom I you know it's GonNa be another talk maybe we'll they get in we're GONNA be talking about this in March Times than what they should be there and essentially a few more tickets ellesmere port you know potentially but are they really going to be able to compete if you know eagles and ride is a driving heights more money and that money will get invested in players then you look at the other end of the table the likes of Cheshire Manchester Sorry to certain degree how are they going to generate any more money us of what they want to project and if they really do have a five year project or actually what they're trying to project further forwards and actually what their identity is are they just you know that that's the thing you have to look at a businessman you know you go into an organization and you look at it and say okay so where's where's the opportunity yet Cheshire Manchester Cheshire is going to be the contenders who show him progressions for youth who's doing this because of budget issues you know when you look at teams like what really her ticket prices bigger crowds you know their own venue that can can put more money into the club I just think you're gonna see this really starting to wind up the thing I would love to say and whenever organization so there's a lot of differentials I see that there is a gap I see it does her you can see that straight away even with this B. B. O. Cup competition you know probably about twelve hundred in our organization so for me I think transparency water each of the teams overplaying spends on what each plan contracts length and value I think that leagues do it you know the big part of the conversation when you talk about things like the NBA and your league you know what they contract values are and what I actually think is going to help players that's right it's who's been overplayed who's at the right club with the right identity that WanNa win united who shows intense straightaway who's going to be you know and if there is such a gap in in budget you do get a big playoff in a play differential but for me it's the culture that you want to bring I also think that club's culture and what they're about should also be in the spotlight to why should you support this club why you bring in fans in for growth of an organization I just don't think that as well as as well as players salaries being put forward it from a plan perspective rather than a con GM perspective criticize is applying budget gap widening in the BB L.. I'm what impact you think that's going to have as as we progress I'm to be impact scores etc then the next three that run the roster for you with a role players the guys that can fit the vice that you know that the one a state I think he's actually a great stepping stone for players to actually say look what good value I am I'm only on eight hundred pounds a month here another team's will then look at them and say actually I think they're probably put these guys that level of competition where you can actually play at this level so am building for future you can actually provide a different stance and have had within the League so now you can actually put youth players in if you had them at such a level you know we're we're actually building for the future for the game if there's no money there then obviously tax that they're paying we'll help you this season because you've got a tough financial time but ultimately if these teams collins get anywhere near the salary cap they shouldn't team shouldn't be team has to spend at least ninety percent of that salary cap you know I am that means that they keep a competitive league and you can't spend Monte percent then you're not going to be in the lead Ah for me the planet bunches widening every season we go through and you're only gonNA sit can bigger and bigger you look at ride as Eagles Rowing Facility now expect to see them making you know and that salary cap probably needs to be lower than it is now in the UK so teams can get close to it however teams are able to over that'd be huge move forward and I think you know from our point of view it'd be a great discussion point right what is the value of each player who's who's the bogging and who's being overpaid I think all tracks and what is the total spend for each team I think that should be out in the public domain there's privacy issues around you know plays on salary should they really be in the public domain other professional see it I'm going to put it out there is I would love to see transparency I would love to see older players contracts out in the open how much is each playroom bolts the length of the you went into administration they had to find a venue which was a smaller capacity. Then maybe that's when these kicks in and says okay we're able to you know the overspend from the likes of riders and Eagles and you know what are you trying to achieve where you going within the five year one coming out to pay my money yeah definitely I think the multiple you provide the better it's going to be let's Manchester this year now extension in budget etc you know you can see that but also know you to come in and play play within these unit you got a different structure eight we gotta find a generate money somehow we got to find generate a plane team somehow so we go to bring youth these teams right now could a great opportunity to put one thing I'd also want to add into this I love the Australian model of how they do this right so the Australia model similar to the BDO franchise system they have a salary cap but every it's not going to subsidize the like Manchester giants forever but if they have a tough couple of years there venue situation this year where effectively the company that owned their original V we will not the problems with the TV that this no actual money being paid to clubs where they've actually got set budget where you can start to work from everybody seems take a look at this as well because how you how you GonNa push forward and promote the League in the biggest guile how you actually going to get better and be able to put teams within European competition come from scratch to okay so you gotta make that money but how this no incentive and also you know you have you have into cup competitions I never understand why all structure can they put in place to make sure that it doesn't pull illegal teams to you know apart and that's the concern I have okay well that wraps up another they certainly have the talent we have the talent just they can continue to to improve as they have lost couple of weeks okay then moving onto our final question and this is a bit we shouldn't be in the league long-term unless we have stepped up I'm paid close it's what the top teams are playing is just a it needs to be this otherwise we're going to have these got widening episode make Him Take Him we've gone on a little bit longer than we normally would so you get a few more minutes of our crazy ramblings Thank you Chris Forgiveness your thoughts once again thanks Thomas Gentry Thomas Fred Savage in twenty five and three gentry's average in Nineteen eighty-four the great stats my concern is all they leaning to have comes more and more of a consent as each says go by because I just I can see it either destroying the league so pulling PA and making talked about him so far away from each other Shen that represent the league if we're not moving forward with a price plan that connect she afford things like this can afford consistency and you know it's such a shame as well and you're going to end up with fifty sixty point blowouts we came we count very true and also where Lee the league that'd be cool we'll be back next week they'll no doubt be more crazy topics russ to discuss but until you have a good week and we'll see league and I'm not just talking about Manchester every you have to bear in mind I wasn't under false leads force with the lowest budget we probably paid off Manchester paid on salaries excuse me again next week Yep really good thank you again for listening in home if you guys have any questions topics you think you'd like Costas Gus we play we play the league format we play everything but when you win a trophy you win the money for your club for me this by playing budget gap that's GonNa wide and you know I feel sorry for the teams are very well rum the plan division one because that's tough you know but yeah I think it's a concern and you hope the league having conversations about it and thinking about recco episodes do drop us an email team at make him take him UK all dot co DOT UK or contact us on social media just drop as a message on facebook or twitter the destroying clubs you know the moment there is no second tier that you can drop into a professional organization Division One as in Boston I don't care who says it is offense this model for the NBA Ova spin they get the luxury tax and luxury taxes and distributed to anything that you know has a tough financial situation install

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Capping the Card with Ralph Michaels - NCAA Tournament Betting Tips Sweet 16 & Elite 8

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33:35 min | 2 years ago

Capping the Card with Ralph Michaels - NCAA Tournament Betting Tips Sweet 16 & Elite 8

"Very exciting. News for us here at bankbook dot com. I'll be joining wagertalk today in studio to do some videos also be doing the wagertalk podcast to promote paying the book. Promote my end, I'll be betting guide and chat with some of the guys in person that join me on the show here. So very excited about that. Make sure you keep an eye out for that. Also overpaying the book dot com where your one stop shop for sports betting. News and information lots of great stuff out there for the upcoming major league baseball season. Most of it written by me, including my thirty. And I'll be Susan win. Total previews team by team betting tips and players to watch all my future stuff posted over there as well. Kyle hunters still doing daily college basketball picks Parker bike still doing daily NHL picks, and he'll run that all the way through the playoffs here for us. So plenty things going on over at bang the book dotcom. Bundle. Is you know this? And every dish of being the book radio presented by our friends over at DS is sportsbook BTV two hundred is that promo code one hundred percent deposit match bonus for the sports book one hundred percent deposit match bonus for the live because. Keno at bet. The sl. It's only a game until you bet we start things off your today with our first guest that is professional handicapper Ralph Michaels from wagertalk dot com. Well, if I was going today, man, no doing great. And I'm in for anyone else. That's in town in Vegas. You also be on the Las Vegas sports sign with David coke. And an I that's here. Locally in Vegas. ESPN Las Vegas eleven hundred from two to three Pacific. Yeah. And I'm actually going to also be on Brian blessings radio show tomorrow on Cass HP on sportsbook radio. So definitely looking forward to that kind of making the rounds while I'm out here in town to say, the least but raw for plenty of time to talk about that today on the videos and with the podcast, but let's get into the NC double A tournament here. And I talked with Brad powers and Kyle hunter yesterday about the team still left standing and book Cinderella stories are great upsets are great. But it's also pretty nice to have essentially fifteen of the top twenty teams left standing. In is I it's made for unique setting people think they're probably doing well in their brackets. But you know, I manage a bracket hair. And I think the bracket I did all but three people had all their Sweet Sixteen teams left. So you know, I it's been a truck tournament so far, but we also get to see the elite teams now playing with added pressure. It's gonna make for great Sweet Sixteen round. Yeah. It really is. And of course, all these games starting here late on Thursday and Friday, you know, so we'll do the the betters box on Thursday. My MLB betting podcast and then Friday likely circle back with Kyle hunter since we didn't get to talk too much about the elite eight we'll see how much of that. We get on our segment here as well wrong. But you know, when you look at the sixteen teams left standing here and really Oregon playing like a top twenty team here over the last several weeks. What are you expecting here in the Sweet Sixteen? Are you expecting these top teams to really show out and play well against the week competition? You think that you'll because we've got so many good teams we could see some surprises. Well, you know, I think from here on out. We're not gonna have any spread over eight. You know, so anybody beating any team on any given night. It is you know, is what you can expect. Then you know, you may look at Oregon, and you see their twelve seed, but you know, I've been on them for a while they've made me, and my customers a lot of money, and you know, you look at Oregon. And you have a reason why they're good. Now. Remember, they lost Bobo Manute Bol of five star recruit after seven games. Dana Altman spent the entire off season dictating offense and defense around mobile. He goes out you have to reinvent your team. And now you're playing to the level you can. So when you have a team like Oregon, it's not all of a sudden they flick the switch, it's they had a completely change the makeup of their team. You have one of the best March madness coaches and Altman and now you're playing in a league defense down the stretch. So you know, to me, it's no secret. I think eleven of the last twelve national champions have had Ken palm top twenty offense and defensive efficiency ranking. So it's whatever's playing best on the road. You know, can can bring home the can cut down the nets. Or that's a big thing. Here. A lot of coaching a lot of very good coaches here left in the Sweet Sixteen. We do have some coaching mismatches. You'll we'll talk about those. Little bit as we go forward here. But they're all let's go ahead and start well, sir in the east region. I know this is one of the late games on Friday. But we'll start with this Duke and Virginia Tech game in DC. We'll just kind of go straight down the bracket on the left side. Then straight down the bracket on the right side time permitting here because we do have to get to wagertalk videos, but Duke in Virginia attack, you know, these teams play each other coach K and buzz will or buzz Williams know, each other very very well, not a whole lot of surprises here in a matchup like this. Do it. Touchdown favorite. Yeah. You know, I I like the dog, and you know, you look at these teams, and you know, while everyone talks about well Virginia Tech beat them without Zion. Williamson back on February twenty six, but you also gotta remember for Virginia Tech. They didn't have their point guard and one of their best players. Justin robinson. So no one mentioned that Justin Robinson wasn't there. You know, he just came back. If you games ago, I think he's the difference. When you have when you have an elite point guard who's a four year ACC starting point guard, you know, and he missed a twelve games. His first game back with St Louis. The only played twenty eight minutes status feet, wet against liberty only played twenty nine minutes. Now, he's ready to go after some extra rest. I liked this Virginia Tech team. They're going to control the pace. It's going to be a low scoring game. You know, we saw what UCF can do. The thing about Virginia Tech, and buzz Williams is this they allow the three when they do cut. They always undercut. They always take the guy into visit lane. Which is Duke strength. Duke strength is not shooting the three which Virginia Tech will allowed but still defends well lower scoring game. I like the hokies. Well, that's an interesting point to make. I mean, you know, at this point in time, you really wanna dig into those schematic advantages. I think there's one in the LSU game. It's coming up here against Michigan state for the Spartans in particular. But that's a really important thing. You know, Duke has not shot well from the outside did wind up shooting pretty well in that gaming. It's UCF which is really the only reason that they manage to survive that game. I like the point that you brought up there that a lot of people were talking about this specifically saying well that was duke's scare, you know. That's that was just what they do in the tournament. They're awake. Now, they're not gonna have any of those problems going forward. It sounds like to me. Maybe you took that game to be Duke has some flaws here, and they may continue to show themselves. As we go forward. Well, we know they have flaws. I mean, you know, it's been it's been well documented that, you know, do cause a team that doesn't shoot well from three pointer three point percentage there only three hundred fifty three teams in division one. There are three twenty nine thirty point seven percent if you can keep Zion out of the lane, and you know, taco falls could do it. Virginia Tech's clearly not the same team. You know, UCF severity tall team. Virginia Tech's not. But was Williams has a different type defense, you know. And you look those situations. I mean, Duke has a weakness boom, if you can if you can bring that weakness out for some shoot two three. Yes. Barrett. Hit a huge three down the stretch. Yes, redder. Should he three down the stretch ten threes? I think that was the most or second most they hid all year. But can that team hit ten three's again in the next game? With added pressure in DC where the hokey is, you know, are going to be just as close to do with the home crowd. That's to be seen. But ultimately, you think that prevails right? You'll take bridging the tech plus the points. But you do think Duke wins the game. I will not surprised to Virginia Tech wins. Will I bet Virginia Tech on the money line? I don't know if I go that far, but it it's a game that I would actually think about betting Virginia Tech on the money line. So no, I don't expect to to win if Duke wins. It will not surprise me. All right. So with that in mind here, we moved to the other game in the region. LSU Michigan state. This is the early tip on Friday night. And this is a big coaching mismatch four Sparty in Michigan State, Tom Izzo going up against an interim head coach still no we'll wait for LSU credit to LSU for navigating through the first two rounds without we'll wait. A couple of very close games to say. The least Michigan state not really tested got. I think fortunate that Minnesota beat Louisville in the first round, I think would have been much tougher second round game for them. And here's Sparty as as a six point favorite. Yeah. Color, me color, me green. I am on the Spartans LSU's last week sixteen was two thousand six yes. Sometimes you have a young team. And you have a lot of young players, and you don't feel the pressure. You know, when you have trae mount waters, but Michigan state, of course, matches up with Cassius. You know, and when you have you know, when you have Nasreen and Emmett Williams is a couple of your leading scores that are freshmen, you know, you can get through the first two rounds. But then you look at their first two rounds, you know, and they play Yale and Maryland, but you look at their season as a whole, you know, the only top ten defense. They played the entire season was Kentucky, which you know. They pulled out a surprise and Florida state which they lost earlier in the year. You're now facing an elite defense. Yeah. You face the Maryland defense that was pretty decent top twenty five. And whether you do you ended up having to, you know, win by two you know in a game though. It's very close. I think Michigan state runs away from this game. I think the coaching now you're into your third game in the tournament. You have a coaching mismatch. You haven't experienced team. That's been there and done that you have a team that, you know, couple of the players played here in the big ten championship two years ago when they held the big ten tournament at Washington DC so familiarity you have the region. I I am I am Michigan state and no question in this game. On the schematic advantages that I t's there before we started talking about this game LSU has to get to the rim where we saw that you know, what the game winning bucket that they had there in gaming. It's Maryland they have to get to the rim. Fourteen point two percent of their two point offense on dunks and dunk attempts and smarties well less than five percent on dunks and dunks attemp dunk attempts here this season. So this could stay doesn't let you in the lane. They were fourth in the nation of field goal percentage against on dunks lay ups and Tippin. So for issue they're going to have to make shots, and they're probably not going to get a whole lot of offense rebounds against Gail. They had twelve against Maryland. They had ten held below their offense rebounded rebound percentage for this season. So like, it's not just a matter of the coaching mismatch here. I just don't think LSU matches up. Well, you know in the other thing to remember is, you know, Tom Izzo was living after Michigan state's win, you know. And e you look you look at. At twenty point win. And you say, well, why are you living? Well, they had twenty two turnovers. That's only the third time this season they had over twenty turnovers. And you know, that's a lot. And Nick ward hasn't played much only play ten minutes against Bradley. He came back from injury and we played twenty minutes against Minnesota. And and you ask is a why? And he simply said this. We were beat they played Michigan in the finals. They won the big ten tournament. This was their fifth game in nine days and a brutal five games. Ohio State Wisconsin Michigan Bradley, Minnesota LSU lost in the first round of their tournament. They were fresh only their third game in nine days. So the reason Michigan state played poorly in those mind turning the ball over was they were dead tired. Now, you're fresh legs. And again, I see I see a blow out here. Or that's an angle that you mentioned here this morning on Twitter that you sent out that, you know, rest is very very important here at this time of the year. And in fact, you felt an angle from since we're talking about rest here. We'll go ahead and work it in you found an angle that seems to be a little bit of a small sample size. But it's still a pretty solid return. Well, it's actually a contrary in atom because you know, we talk about coaching, and I think the better coach team. It's more important the second day of the weekend. So what happens now when you come out of the first weekend you're through the weekend, you're in the Sweet Sixteen or in your ear in the second round. Doesn't matter that some teams played Saturday the week before and then playing on Thursday and some teams played on Sunday because of the pods now if you have different day rest, there's four games this year Purdue played Saturday, Tennessee played Sunday. Michigan Saturday, Texas Tech Sunday Auburn Saturday, North Carolina Sunday Kentucky Saturday. Houston sunday. Does that give the edge to the team with more rest the extra data prep? Well, no, number one. They're not sure who they're playing. And here's the step since two thousand eleven there's only been eighteen occurrences where one team has four days. Rest on one team has five the teams with four. Days of rest one day less twelve five and one against the spread. So don't worry about handicapping thinking. Oh, my team has one day less to prep. Four days is fine. These are twenty two year old twenty one twenty year old kids that can rebound after four days. Playing a second game at forty eight hours after brutal game is different scenario. Getting back home to your settings getting your trainers getting to your locker rooms in your son and your and your hot tubs. And and you're and and working your body back into shape again four days or five days. It doesn't matter but actually an edge to those with four days rest versus a team with five days rest. Certainly interesting to see how that angle plays out here this weekend. And let's move to the west region here out in Anaheim, California, Gonzaga, Ford, a state quarter state knocked off zag Akins aga- want some revenge. This is their chance to get it and point frankly, you look at the two Sweet Sixteen games here in the west region. These could very well been final four matchups. Yeah. Isn't it? Great. It really makes for an exciting Sweet Sixteen and you know, I look at it. And my first thought is this. The revenge doesn't mean one thing to me if you're the Sweet Sixteen how much more voted May's motivation. Can you have is you lose them to the Sweet Sixteen last year may make you more motivated? I don't think. So. I think yes, you're going to remember it. Yes. You know, you may be fired up, but fired up sometimes can be a negative. You know to Florida state. I'd say boom everyone's talking about the ads the number two favorite. We beat them last year. We could beat them again. And I am highly invested in zags there. My top future play, you know, moving forward. I played them a while ago. So by all means am I Zacks fan. But with this spread being seven or seven and a half. I like Florida state. You know, they they run ten guys they're deep. They have guards their starting guard. Six foot four and six with. Five. I don't know if anyone else in the country has that type of height and length in your two guards. It changes the passing lanes for teams. And that's why they're so effective there. So let there so long that they just changed the way a team plays offense. You can't play your normal offense. I think Florida state keeps us close. I think the vagus win the game. But I think the spread is inflated because of that revenge situation, and I'm going to jump on the value. There in now you've got four states seven and a half point dogs here in this one total one forty six and a half. And as we talked about yesterday with Kyle hunter, if you missed that segue mixture, you go back and check it out Anaheim, California, pretty good too the under although most of that sample size from the big west conference tournament these fourteen certainly better than what we have out in the big west. And let's move onto this Texas Tech Michigan game here raw for we've got Michigan at two point favorite pinnacle now showing one and a half looks like Texas Tech little bit of a preferred sharp side here early in the week. You know, I have Texas Tech in my bracket. But this game to me is is the game that I cannot come up with a side. You know, I look at Michigan and I wanna play against Michigan. Why? Well, you saw what they did against Michigan state. They had double digit leads in all three losses to Michigan state. Couldn't come up with enough second half offense to keep it close or let alone win the game that concerns me. But then when I look at Michigan. This to me is the personnel match up of the entire Termine. Charles Matthews is an elite defender Charles Mathews missed the last three games of the regular season, including that Michigan state loss. He came back. He was only playing twenty three minutes against in the big ten tournament against Iowa Minnesota and Michigan state again, he's now back and healthy. And. Michigan with him on Gerry Cole ver is going to be again what I consider the match up of the entire tournament. Garrett covert is going to have to score twenty points. But when you have the number one defensive officiency like Texas Tech, does you have a person who's going to be a lottery pick in the draft like Jared Culver and Culver had a bad game last game. He had a couple of other players that needed to step up and get double digit points. So I think that's a positive that culvert didn't wasn't the leading score wasn't a best player ostensibly and Texas Tech. It still be buffalo by twenty. But you know, this is a game that I am not even going to fathom an opinion on I thought Texas Tech early. But what you know when I saw Michigan and and Matthews back and the way he plays. I love Charles Matthews. I love the way he can take out a player, I've gone back and forth. And I honestly don't have an opinion. I'm just gonna enjoy the heck out of watch in this game. Yeah. I think that makes perfect sense especially because you're talking about very small margins here. Both very good defensive teams which teams scores show up which seems scores. Get more shots to fall feels like the type of game that you really don't wanna be all that invested in so wrong as we wrap up the left side of the bracket here. Let's assume it's Duke and Michigan state in the east region for the elite eight I think it's obviously the most likely outcome. Judging by the spreads. We have on those two games. What's that line? Look like to you with do Gant's Michigan state in Washington DC coming up here on Sunday. I'm probably about three and a half. All right. And as we look down in the west region here where really no match up in the elite eight would surprise me. Let's see a does win the game hold serve as a seven and a half point favorite. What does that look like against Michigan? What do they look like against Texas Tech? You know, if I did a power rating in that bracket with zags being zero Michigan would be three Texas Tech four and Florida state six. So obviously, I think there's some value with Florida state. And I think this would be a three point favorite over Michigan four point favorite over Texas Tech. All right. So move over to the right side of the bracket here the south region. And you know, we touched on the south region. You had a great stat last week on the show about so many teams in this region that played a very very low tempo. Couple of them here in this first while the late game on Thursday night, Virginia Oregon in Louisville Kentucky. This is a very low scoring game certainly Virginia eight eight and a half point favorite, which is a pretty big number giving. A total and the number of possessions expected in this game. I agree. You know, what I talked about Oregon earlier, you know, ten straight wins. Ten slate covers alone fifty four points per game in that stretch. And no team has shot over forty two percent for the ducks. If I can have one coach in March Dana Altman would be in my top two or three. So you know, he's the guy that knows how to get it done. You. You're looking at a game that I expect to be you know, first team the first team to fifty five wins this game. So anytime you have a defensive team that's playing as well. As anyone you're getting you're getting basically. You're getting basically fifteen percent of what the what the leading team is gonna score with an eight point spread, you know, Oregon's the only way to go for me, if you know Virginia has proven that they got behind early. Yes. They came back their number four and assist to turnover ratio, which I love, you know, at this point. They do have some offense of scoring. But I I agree with you. The possessions are going to be few and far in between the pace is going to be slow the first team to fifty five wins the game. And if I can get eight points in a in a game that I know the winter's going to score fifty five I would back a team even not as hot as Oregon. So obviously, it sounds like you think Oregon I mean, obviously talk back to make with the spread of eight and a half. But it feels like you think Oregon is is a live dog here for the upset as well. Yeah. You know, I probably will pick a few. You know, it wouldn't surprise me. If I do a small money line wager on on a Virginia Tech and in Oregon situation, just you know, if you're strong, and you're playing both of those and you want to parlay to money line bets and get a real nice pay off one little bit. I'm not I'm not big and I'm not advocating betting parleys. But in that type of situation where you got two big money lines. And and you wanna take a little crack of both of them. You know that that's a nice way to go to have a huge payout. If they both hit or through the bottom game here in the south region. The earlier of the two on Thursday Purdue takes on Tennessee this game. Virtual coin flip Tennessee up to a one and a half point favorite at some of the public offshore shops one pretty much everywhere else out there right now. So we pretty much have a coin flip here between two coaches that are hard to trust in March. Yeah. You know, you do have Purdue making their third straight Sweet Sixteen appearance, which certainly is something to put a feather in your cap. But you know, you look at Tennessee. I have not been a fan of Tennessee. And maybe I've just been hard on him. I don't know. I just I watch him, and they don't seem to play the same type of elite defense at some of these other players do, and you know, you look at you look at their Ken palm ranks and their three on offense or thirty three on defense. What thirty three's not bad? But you know, the impressive thing about Tennessee to me is this you want experience when you get Kamar chin your to this point. Well, when you grant Williams he's the SEC player back to back seasons. First time that's happened in the SEC in twenty four years. A lot of that could be 'cause Kentucky gets ones and Duns not around for two years. But, you know, Tennessee's top six scores have all been with the program for at least three years. So. When your top six scores. This is the third time they're playing in this type of setting. That's that's something that you can't you know, that that type of experience is something that you can't shy away from. So you know, I I've again another game I've gone back and forth. I'd love to have a stronger opinion on you. But you know, these are Sweet Sixteen games that I watched a both teams. And you know, I I have reasons to not play both teams. And it's a game. I'm going to be not on again. So both they have a stronger opinion for you. I just don't have one in this game. No. I completely understand. I mean, this does seem like one of the tougher handicaps maybe along with Michigan and Texas Tech here in this. We'd sixteen round. So I guess we'll just go ahead and group this together here, then as we look ahead to the potential elite eight match ups, what is Virginia look like against the winner of Purdue in Tennessee again my power ratings. If I have Virginia zero I have Tennessee four and a half Purdue five and a half and Oregon seven so that would be the difference in the game. If it's Tennessee, you know, Oregon, I would have them about two and a half or or a three point favorite. Or move down to the mid west region here this one in Kansas City, and Kansas not making it to Kansas City. So they don't get that advantage at the selection committee tried to give them North Carolina. And Auburn the first one here on Friday in this region. You've got North Carolina here a five point favorite big total on this game on a total that went up. Now, it's coming back down a little bit at one sixty two. This is a tough handicap as well because Auburn is such a high variance team. Yeah. You know, I like Auburn a little bit on this. And you know, you're looking auburn's number three in turnover margin, which is something. I look at you know, they shoot three's. The season's most shot threes on the year. So you know, what you're going to get with Auburn. You're going to go up and down North Carolina. Normally has the edge. Why? Well, they're number six tempo in the country. They but you look at their offense. And yes, they they are high scoring, but they are very efficient. They're only number seventy seven in field-goal efficiency. They come down. They shoot the ball often. They rebound the ball and they get multiple shots. But if you can hold them the one shot you can win the game. They're a team that has nine players that average ten and a half minutes. They're leading player for the tar heels only average is thirty one minutes. So they come at you and wage. Well, what is Auburn do all run actually has ten players at average between eleven and thirty three. Minutes. So while North Carolina runs multiple players in runs that tempo. That's something. Auburn can do. I said North Carolina has that number seventy seven field goal officiency. Well, Auburn is number thirty actually quite a bit better. Even with those three point shots and too. Hot teams North Carolina comes in seventeen and to their last nineteen. Auburn comes in at ten straight wins. I'm going to lean with the Tigers in this one. Or it's in the bottom game here in the mid west region. The late tip off coming up on Friday, Houston and Kentucky. And I think some people may be a little bit surprised to see the respected. Houston's getting in the betting market with Kentucky, only a two and a half point favorite. Well, you know, March madness is is like the NFL playoffs. If there's an injury. There's so much public money. You don't get the balance of the injury. And right now, I mean the question is this PJ Washington. If PJ Washington was playing had his cast off and was healthy Kentucky would be my type of game of the year. But when you're leading score leading rebounder. Third most three pointers on the team. And the only starter that shoots over forty one percent. An easy first round draft choice a high first round draft choice. He's still has his hard cast on as of this morning. So they're gonna try to take hard cast off see what happens and if he's ready to play. I don't think he's going to be ready to play. Therefore, I can't be on Kentucky. Now does losing one elite player make it strong enough where you like the other side. No. But it's close. I don't think it Tukhy gets passed the next two rounds without Washington if they have PJ Washington in I actually picked Kentucky to go to the national championship prior to the season in my bracket when I thought he was going to be healthy. So to me it it's a pass because of PJ Washington status. If he comes back plays a few minutes in this Houston game. And they find a way to get by. I'll be on the Wildcats probably the rest of the way. So obviously, it's pretty tough then to forecast out these elite eight lines because we're just not entirely sure, it seems like we probably have to operate under the assumption. The PJ Washington is not back if they get past this Houston game. So what are your potential elite eight matchup look like here with North Carolina Auburn, Houston and conducted? You know, I flee, you know, North Carolina's the favourite, you know, without Washington. I probably make North Carolina, you know, about four four and a half same as the Auburn line and Houston a few more points than that. You know? We'll see there's already some, you know, the Kentucky fans can be vicious over there in Lexington. And they're jumping on PJ Washington is dad that he just doesn't wanna play and wanna prep for the for the draft. But his dad was pretty so pretty Boca on social media that he's never going to ban it his teammates. And if he can plays gonna be ready. So we'll see what happens. But I it's unfortunate. You know, when you have teams like this in situations like this where you're star players out. You know, we're talking about this elite group of Sweet Sixteen. It's too bad. Every league players not playing as well. I mean, we're talking about Kentucky, you know, one of the most talented teams in the country year in and year out. So what does it guy like Washington worth to the line point and a half two points, something like that? Yeah. To me, it could even be it could even be more than that. Just because he has set a big deal. I mean, you know to me he he actually the offense goes through him. And there's very few people that are six foot eight that you know, we're not talking about Zion that can dribble the ball. But you know, the way when you watch Kentucky, and you watch the the way he he's part of the offense in offense and defense in both terms. I almost make him at this point two or two and a half because without PJ Washington. You have Hagans a freshman a point guard hero a freshman at shooting guard Johnson a freshman at strong forward Montgomery's playing center and re Travis has has been filling in for Washington. So you have four freshmen and a first year transfer playing without Washington. So, you know, having that sophomore there to me is almost worth two and a half or three. In this setting because of the situation because of the pressure and because the expectations. Well, if Michael's professionally and together over at wagertalk dot com on over there right now or else, you know, what? Adam let me just bring up one thing about tonight's games. If anyone's listening to this on Tuesday night, there are some absolutely phenomenal scheduling spots in the non smaller, conferences example, Creighton played Friday and Tuesday where TCU playing Sunday and Tuesday, there's several more. But let me mention this one because it's mind boggling Presbyterian played on the road Wednesday on the road Sunday on the road Tuesday three road game seven days Marshall played at home Tuesday. Gotta by playing at home tonight seven days rest to home games Presbyterian, three road games with in a seven day, period. So check those out wagertalk dot com. Check out our videos daily, check out our pod. I do. An NBA stat sheet. Of course, the first pitch the daily baseball newsletter. OB starting af logs up there as well. And again, a lot of information and one thing I want to remind people when you're going away your talk. There's a lot to be learned from handicappers even if you don't buy their plays. If you go to a handicappers page wagertalk you can see their last twenty plays win or lose. You can click on their place, and you can read their write ups when you get to be Sweet Sixteen then there's first rounds. 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Ep. 93 - National Championship contenders, Rejuvenated Kentucky Wildcats, Underappreciated players

The Sidelines with Evan Daniel

20:01 min | 2 years ago

Ep. 93 - National Championship contenders, Rejuvenated Kentucky Wildcats, Underappreciated players

"Paul of fame coaches, national champions lottery picks the best minds in basketball look into the sidelines with Evan Daniels. What's up college basketball fans? Welcome back to the sidelines podcast. I'm your host Daniel college basketball insider over f s one as well as the director of basketball recruiting at twenty four seven sports. Today's episode is the ninety third episode of the sidelines podcast. We're going to bounce around a little we'll start with some talk about the Kentucky. Wildcats. And why think that they are a national championship caliber contender? We're going to dive into some of the other contenders. And then talk some of the least appreciated players in America before I get to that conversation with Conrad company. I want to make sure that you were subscribed and supporting the sidelines podcast and the best way for you to do that is to go over to apple podcasts and or your favorite podcast app. Hits a subscribe button for me leave a rating. Leave a review all those things are very helpful. And you can also shoot me a note over on Twitter or Instagram. The handle is at Evan Daniels. Now, it's jump that conversation with Conrad company. It's time to go with Evan Daniels. Send it in big fella. I want to welcome in Conrad company producer over at Fox Sports. And at this point, basically, the co host of this podcast. It's been fun wrapping with Conrad on this show and talk ball. What's up car? Ed. Hey, man. How's it going co host come with the page or something? Oh, man. I appreciate it. Let's get more back to you in this whole college hoops season last night, man, you were back at the Kentucky. Vanderbilt game seems like you're in vain game every single week watching this top level competition now last night PJ. Washington was awesome. What's your name right now? Two weeks in a row I made it's over to Vanderbilt, and it's kind of easy I live. I don't know five six minutes from campus. So I can slide over there. And I was there for what turned into a massacre Kentucky was up forty five to fifteen in the first half. They looked really impressive, by the way. Maybe as impressive as they've looked all season. Oh, Bryce, drew the Vanderbilt head coach was reading about them in the post game. And you mentioned PJ Washington. One of the best games of his college basketball career. It was pretty dominant nine of fifteen from the field three of three from the three point line, twelve rebounds, three steals. Twenty six points. PJ was nothing short of tremendous. And he impacted the game in every way. He rebounded. He played hard. He ran the court. He finished around the basket, he made three three pointers as I mentioned. And that's you know, that's been an area that he's shown a little growth this season. But he's coming off. They beat Kansas. But he was four from three in that game. So his ability to stretch the floor is a pleasant surprise for them this season, man. He was he was just really effective if if PJ Washington consistently plays like that Kentucky is is a different team. Jay definitely affected the game in many ways last night. And he was dominant down the stretch. How do you feel about his NBA draft documents point? Do you think he's leaning more towards coming out now or sticking around Kentucky? Well, I think he's definitely gonna head to the draft. I don't forsee him coming back to Kentucky for a third year. Now that said if he were to stick around and decide he wants to go to college for two more years. I think PJ Washington could turn himself into an all American caliber player and likely this you see player of the year. But I don't foresee that happening. I think his eyes are set on. I'm going to the NBA and try to make that work. Now that said he is a six foot seven power four. Now, he does have a massive wingspan at seven two in his game is developed some. But I would say as of now from a draft stock standpoint he's looking second round or late. I and he's going to have to continue to develop and continue to develop that jump shot show, some consistency there if he's going to make the NBA and make a difference. But I definitely think that he's he's likely out of there. Now as of right now, I'm this Kentucky team is she the best player on this team. Who's most important for this Kentucky team to make it even March? I don't know that he's the best player. Obviously he changes the outlook of that team when he's playing like he did against Vanderbilt the guy that I think is probably the most important piece would be Tyler hero. And I think if you've watched this Kentucky team over the past couple of weeks. They've progressively looked better in better. And I think some of that has to do with Tyler hero playing better and better, actually. I thought he was really good in that game last night to more from scoring standpoint not necessarily shooting Saint point everybody thinks he's just a shooter. He's so much more than that. He was six thirteen from the field last night and outside of a Dunkin finish at the rim. It was mainly mid range stuff. Pulling up hitting runners floaters. This is a kid that can really score. And I think you can make a very strong case that he's the most important piece to that puzzle. Because not only they need somebody that can score like that from the perimeter. But also somebody that can keep the defense honest with a long range shot the other guy think you could make a case for would be Ashton Hagans and his completely different the reason that he's so important to them is the havoc that he causes on the defensive end in with his ball pressure is averaging two point three steals a game. But he just takes guys out of their offense with his defensive ball pressure and his ability to slide feet and his toughness physicality, but I think just because of his natural scoring ability. In potential shooter that Tyler hero might be the most important piece to that Kentucky team. But obviously, this is a team that's improving and getting better. But I think those two guys their roles are so key and important for Kentucky success now digging with ashen Hagans, you just brought him up over the past month. He's actually been the one that really gets offense starts during the drink for the team. I mean, he's dishing the ball over the place. I mean, he's really starting to come into his own fence. I mean, basically, the start of January what's changed him to make this leap. I think the biggest thing that changed is they had a addition by subtraction. And I'm referring to quad green transferring, and that's not necessarily hate on on quad. I think Kentucky was lacking identity at the point guard spot and ashen hagan's is no longer have to look over his shoulder and see when he's coming out. And he's the guy he's got the ball in his hands. He's guy running the show, and he's responded in a big way. And obviously he gave a lot of confidence from his ability to defend, and he's honestly, I think I've. Said this on this podcast before. But I think he's one of the more competitive kids that I've covered and I would put him right up with Michael Kidd Gilchrist and Josh Jackson from evaluating high school. I mean, this is dude that loves competition. He loves to compete. He loves to lock up the opposing teams best defender. And I think he's he's really taking advantage of an opportunity when quad left to step up fill that role in his confidence is only grown, and he's he's progressing very nicely. And I think the other thing you gotta keep in mind is he was a freshman and a lot of times, we just expect these kids to come in and be great will not everyone can come in and have instant impact like John wall from game one. If you look at Ashton Hagans numbers over the past couple of games. Vanderbilt eight assists, Kansas, eight assists, Mississippi State, nine assists. Auburn six assists. I mean, that's really impressive three of those teams. Ranked among the top twenty two teams in the country and he tossed out twenty three assists against those teams. So I just think from confidence standpoint you see him building. And that's a good sign for Kentucky because that position is is ever important in to have a guy like him that can disrupt the opposing team's offense. But also get your offense going and really run run. A team is extremely important. Yeah. I mean, there's not a better time in college basketball to really start putting your roster together and really start having glue come together and obviously with hero playing well PJ Washington plane while on the stretch and now at international Hagans is this Kentucky team contender this year. I they were preseason favorite. But now it feels like they've kind of revamped everything and they're ready to go into March. This is a completely different team than the team that played first game of the season. And I think a lot of people wrote them off. And I think the crazy thing is in Kentucky fans have seen this over the years. It's like this is a team a young team. So the team with freshmen in major roles not just asking. Hagans and not just Tyler hero. But Emmanuel quickly has a big role. EJ Montgomery has a big role. Jamal Baker didn't play it last year. And now he's back from an injury and his has a role pedia Washington Lee, a sophomore the guy the only guy on this team with experiences re Travis and I didn't even mention Calvin Johnson who's leading them in scoring fourteen game. So I know that's a long way for me to say, certainly they are a national title contender. I said on this podcast couple of weeks ago that I still had them in my final four. And I certainly still believe that they are final four caliber national championship caliber basketball team. And I think that they're upside exceeds just about every team in the country except for maybe Duke, which is saying a lot. I think this team is getting better at just the right time. They're seventeen and three overall three the last four games. They'd be ranked opponents John cale parks got this team going in the right direction. And I think these touchy Wildcats are most definitely a national title contender going to be talking. Tenders how many schools do you legitimately think this year could have a chance to win at all this great question. And I just said that I think Kentucky has as much of side and they country as anybody outside of Duke. So Duke is certainly contender. You got three the top three arguably, the top three prospects and all of college basketball and very likely the top three players to get picked in next year's NBA draft. Or three of the top four Duke is certainly a contender. I think for Jinya is certainly contender. Their offense is better than it was last year. They still play that staple defense. I like Virginia like Zaka. And I think those four would probably be my current final four. And then I think probably in tier two you've gotta through in Tennessee, Michigan Michigan state. And so I think those seven I would say those are like the top seven for me in terms of pick a group in the national champion is gonna come from that group, and then maybe the tier three would consist of Nevada Marquette. But I think those I seven or the seven that. I would I would say the strongest chances of winning a national championship down seven teams that you consider to be a national championship contender, which is a lot. I mean because usually this time of year when the cream of the crop really starts to rise going down the stretch. I know people especially it comes in March. You're gonna look for those Cinderella stories. You mentioned Vata Marquette at of those two if you had to pick one to make it to your final four, which one is it. That's a great question because I'm really impressed with what air muscleman is done it Vada and the experience they have in that group and their ability to score with those twins. But then Marquette is a team that I think is really playing tremendous basketball right now they won seven in a row and they've only lost one game. Since November third thing about that. And I think that they have an absolute star college basketball star and Marcus Howard, averaging nearly twenty five points a game shooting at forty three percent clip. And I think the the house or brothers are really. Saying well, so I think Marquette would be the team that I would I would probably go with Steve will hausky is really done a tremendous job with that group. Yeah, we'll speak in his Cinderella's or even like programs that are not as appreciate his birthday probably should be. But they still made into your tier three which is pretty good. Let's talk about some of the most under appreciated players now. I know you have a list where do you wanna start? Yeah. Well, we can stick with Marquette. I think Joey Hauser is in the midst of tremendous freshman season and his not a name that's been brought up a ton nationally. But he's he's been a big big part of Marquette success in the last games. Conrad eighteen of thirty two from three think about that. It's served over fifty percent from three over the last eight games averaging over thirteen points in that span. But it's not just the the scoring. He he does a good job of rebounding. And he's a team player that can pass and he's so versatile too. You can use them out on the perimeter. You can throw him inside a little bit. I just think his versatility. The shooting is obviously a major impact. But I think nationally he's been pretty underappreciated, and I think he's only going to get better as one of the best freshman in the big east conference. Another guy that I think, and I've talked about him on the podcast before is Dwayne Sutton over at Louisville. He is just an absolute perfect fit for Chris Mack. And I think he's probably the most important player on that Louisville basketball team. That's now ranked in the top twenty they're fifteen and five but this kid, he's just so tough and physical. He's a little undersized at six five six six, but he's a tremendous rebounder averaging nearly seven rebounds a game. And I think maybe the difference in scenario that he's improved and showed a lot of growth of the past. Couple of years is catching shoot three point ability. It's made twenty five three pointers on the season. And I think he's kind of the heart and soul that Louisville basketball team. And he deserves attention in credit because without him a little not fifteen and five I think he's arguably the most important player on that. Team in the third guy. Conrad that I would go with is over at Virginia Tech. And this is a kid that I really liked in in high school. I had him ranked in the top seventy players in the country. Six foot two guard. Justin robinson. He is coming off the best game of his college career thirty five point game where he hit nine threes, and he tossed out eight assists, very impressive. But he he's having a big year for Virginia Tech averaging over fourteen points game, five point, six assists impacts it in so many ways for those guys. He knows how to run a team. He's obviously making jump shots shooting. Forty two percent from three. This is a kid that I just think brings it on both ends. And he hasn't gotten the love that he deserves nationally as a senior that stuck around and that's bought in. And I said it about Dwayne son in Louisville, But he's the heart and soul of that Virginia Tech basketball team in a tremendous leader. And gather deserves a lot of credit for the season. He's having and. Virginia Tech sixteen and three and Justin Robinson's big part of that. It's so tough in college basketball because there's just so many games happening. There's so many different colleges. But when it comes to March, you know that these guys will be talked about we've on your recruiting. 'cause I know that you've been out and about a ton lately you've been value in high school talent, the past three months who do you think the best prospect is in two thousand nineteen? Well, we we moved Anthony Edwards over at twenty four seven sports to number one back in November. And I've seen Anthony Edwards. And James wise, and coal Anthony does the guys we have one two and three in that order quite a bit over the high school season. And I still think that Anthony Edwards is the number one prospect. I think he has tremendous upside I six foot five very impressive physically. He's got a strong strongly built frame. He's a tremendous athlete. He's got a scoring package that is ridiculously impressed with. No, he can still be a little more consistent shooting the ball. And he's been a little up and down with his effort during the season this year, but his ability to create space is ability to get to the rim and finish to go with the physical gifts and the potential he has on the defensive end, and the he's he's kind of that new age guard Conrad that off the ballot just so tough to contain and he's really good and pick and roll situations. And I think he's one at least for now there's there's a lot to play out. We'll see these guys all star games quite a bit coming up in March and April and McDonald's game Mike hoop summit and I'm looking forward to evaluate. And then further James Wiseman SATA really big senior season much improved from the summer where he was hurt. But just really impressed with his rim running overall athletic ability. He's continues to improve and progress on the offense event. No he's had a really big season. He's going to he's honestly gonna give us a tough decision to make when it comes down to it at the top of these rankings. So it's been pretty impressive to see him kind of bounce back and really have a strong senior season. And then comet I saw Cole Anthony out in LA this past weekend at the Nike extravaganza is probably the best. I've seen him play. And. For those that don't know. It's the son of former NBA player, Greg Anthony. But Cole is a six foot three point guard. I think he's really developing into a point guard. I've always called him a combo guard. But if this past weekend was any indication, he is progressing nicely. And it's as under control and patient as I've seen him, and he really looked silicate run his team get his guys in his spots. And one thing I noticed about him is always talking on both ends offense getting his guys in spots defensively making sure that everybody's in the right spot. And everybody's there to rotate and just really impressed with his performance this past weekend. So those are the guys I think at the top of the two thousand nineteen class that have separated themselves, and we'll see how plays out here over the next couple of months. Yeah. You mentioned James wise. But I know that he's already committed to Memphis. But the other two are not where do things stand in near recruitment. And do they have a favorite as of right now? Yes. So you mentioned that James Wiseman off the board headed the Memphis. Play for penny. Hardaway Anthony Edwards. I think we're gonna see his recruitment come to an end. I don't know here. Some time the next couple of weeks. He has already taken official visit to Georgia. He's been to Florida state, unofficially. He took a visit to Kentucky official Kentucky this past weekend. And he's going to go see Kansas on February ninth. I would actually be surprised if he sets up other official visits. But I think it's certainly a possibility. But I think we're gonna see a college decision from him sometime within the next month. The teams that I would say are the favorite, maybe Georgia and Florida state. But I do know that that visit to Kentucky went well. And and you can never count them out. So a little ways to go. But I think that the news here is I don't think that far away from Anthony Edwards making his college choice in terms of coal, Anthony, he is put this off has been adamant about an actually spoke to him at Nike extravaganza. And I asked him when he was going to make his assistant and all he would tell me was in the year of two thousand nineteen. So he. Give me a very director. Great response. But in the year of two thousand nineteen is what he said, I think the North Carolina's the favourite here organised certainly heavily involved in all men was out there and watch them at the Nike extravaganza. Then Tony Stubblefield organising came the next day. But I would say that North Carolina would be the school. I think is the favorite right now. But I would guess that we're a couple months away from from him making his college choice. I know I'm certainly looking forward to your these guys end up. Yeah. It'll be it'll be interesting because I think those decisions could really impact college basketball next year. So Anthony Edwards colon curious to see how those decisions play out Karam, man. I appreciate you jumping on the podcast. It was fun. I appreciate before let you guys go. I want to make sure that you were subscribed and supporting the sidelines podcast. And as you know, the best way to support this podcast shoot over an apple podcasts and or your favorite podcast app. Make sure you're subscribed. It's also important to leave a rating in review. That's extremely hell. Full. You can also shoot me a note over on Twitter or Instagram. The handle is at Daniels as always thanks for listening.

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Foles Rolls

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Foles Rolls

"Yeah. Welcome to another middle of a highly questionable week this guy right here. Always in the middle of things that are highly questionable is good is what do you like on the show today is a mean still here feel like he never leaves. He's under the desk. Are they goes making the right move by leading falls walk. If L Sean Jeffrey catches that ball in the playoffs is n- foles the starting quarterback for this football team. I remember talking to Rodney Harrison about this. And he said if the ball is caught. Yeah. Nick foles would be the starter. If it's not caught. This is what happens both sides did right by Nick foles didn't have to come back last year. But he did. So because he just won the championship in one of the feel of being with the organization again and giving it another shot. He was happy as a backup. Philadelphia just returned the favor by letting him go. This isn't what's best for the franchise. You should get something in return for someone like Nick foles, but they did the human thing they helped the guy who helped them while they also he was just an insurance policy. They also did the right thing by their team when you consider that even if they franchise they'd have to make cuts left and right just to get under the salary cap. And for what to potentially trade him to a team when now it feels like his suit. Aren't getting thinner and thinner there's probably only two teams you can even sign with as a free agent. So it just didn't make a whole lot of sense financially for the eagles. And when you think about what this team is you have to commit to somebody. You have to commit to Carson Wentz or you have to commit to Nick foles, obviously, they're probably only going to get maybe a twenty twenty third round pick as compensation for foles. But obviously you commit to Carson Wentz. And see where this thing goes rather than just have him as an insurance policy and potential trade bait, but having to cut people as a result. I don't think this team has been given up yet as a whole with Carson Wentz as the leader. Well, see now the play of I'm telling you that they tried to save money. And you know, what unit backfire then so, but by you know, he goes more play of hope for you guys this here two thousand and twenty five the other guy wasn't in Carson Wentz. I bet you three games into these. Again, it's going to take five years for Carson Wentz to begin what kind of predictions those with four sausages wave that you menacingly. Starting to that. The Celtics will figure it out. They got smoke last night by the raptors again, we check in with them. And Kyrie Irving seems like he's not having a great deal of fund the teams in that conference have a better player than Boston's best player. They're thirteen games over five hundred but in order for the Celtics to get better the way that the Sixers and the bucks and everyone else in that conference has gotten better is for Jason Tatum to be their best player. He's taking a step back in everything around them as a mess, and it's all getting blamed on Kyrie Irving. I think the answer is in the question here, it's nearly March and we're still trying to figure out if they can't figure it out. They had their moments where they've come up with big wins against the Sixers against the thunder early in the season against the books and the raptors, but they've been more inconsistent than they have been consistently. Good. And when you look at what the problem is while they're talking about effort all the time. They're talking about these young guys not playing writer or not. Having the proper experience. They're staring at a five seed right now, which means they're going to have to win road playoff games with those guys who have no experience and with those guys will give you that effort really to figure it out now and heavy stretch of games that will take carry them into the playoffs because there has not been enough evidence that this is the fourth best team in the east at best. I thought that the Celtics they have these genius goes, you know. Got good press for the last three or four days. Ngo was pounding his chest saying looped the guy got here. He's real what happened? Now what happened? AG dating was done. Hounding his chest. He was I didn't behind the curtain. They wanna face using. Okay. He wasn't pounding his chest. We talked him office position. Is it mostly for growing on the Lakers? My father is enjoying two games under five hundred they play the pelicans tonight. Yes, they need to start winning these games if they want to get into the playoffs. But I'm pretty sure I saw on get up today. Mike Greenberg argue that LeBron should sit for the rest of the season because it's a wasted season. And then tease to the segment after the commercial break wide tanking is ruining all of sports. Lebron James still dominates the entire news stream here even with a sub five hundred team. But he doesn't have anything to do. Short term. This season is not going to be about a championship. It wasn't. When he got there. Either losing eighteen games to injury. He's gotta take care of his body. This season doesn't matter to them. If you consider making the playoffs a success for the broad and the Lakers consider this even if the Spurs and clippers just play around five hundred basketball the rest of the way, the Lakers are going to have to win basically two out of every three games the Lakers with LeBron James have gone twenty three and nineteen so far. So it doesn't. Really, look good. I'll go ahead and predict right now, poppy style, they're not going to make the playoffs. So this is going to be a disaster of a season. The NBA playoffs isn't going to look very fun without LeBron James. So I'm pretty sure that that suggestion by Mike Greenberg might not be the worst thing in the world for yourself. He's wanting playoffs without the last several years. What I tell you one thing to Marseille Magic Johnson these backing leaving town. It's Joe predict he will see what who engineer these crap. You know what I mean? That's he was one that got running the sold. John Ron he wanted to all the young guy for these guys you need Brown backfire him. And now, you know, he's wearing back on the stand. The next move will be these town. He's leaving down soon. Get out of here. Magic take the paper bag on your head with you. Should without science count on their resume. No, okay. They want me to say more than that. Because we have a full television show to fill. We've got Virginia Tech beating them last night and Duke has played all season with Zion is the post presence they build all around him last night. They're sitting there. One of their star players isn't scoring nineteen minutes and fifty eight seconds because everything they do has been predicated upon Zion in the middle. And what you're seeing right now is discombobulation that team will not win this tornament without Zion. It can't play very well without him either. It is a little disconcerting like you mentioned RJ. Barrett doesn't get a bucket for twenty minutes because there can be games resign will be infallible in the future and in the NCAA tournament, and they're going to require him to do a lot more. It is a little disconcerting that they lost over Judah texting. That didn't have Justin Robinson. But if you look at what happened since the injury, those are back to back road games against the team that never really had a whole lot of debt whether or not you give them the one or two seat. Honestly, probably not gonna matter because if they are whole and playing well, they're going to run through those first few games anyway. But I would say that you give them a bit of a break here and still right now have them as a one-seat. Everybody's talking about these big guy Williams. How about the guy from from Vicini update? You know, what I mean, Terry Black's share you know, that guy had about twenty five points. Fifteen rebounds. He was real deal. Nobody talks about these guys. Everybody's talking about Duke and Zion with win without scientists s at one team. But these guys blacks year, he's real deal. There's a black here. Take hot stuff a K. Relax you. You'll meet hundred fifty dollars for saying you're telling me, let's make it. They. Wow. It just went up. Let's make a deal that was that a lie. The negotiate. Who should we crush more Vlad junior thinning the miners? The Blue Jays or LB we can crush everybody here because people wanna see a nineteen year old Fien be great at baseball. And it's insulting to our intelligence to have the general manager of the blue Jay say that he's not ready to be a major league hitter. When it's obvious that he's ready to be a major league hitter. But the big business of sport demand man that you take into consideration the long term over the short term if sending him back to the minor leagues because minor league players do not have a union get you an extra year of this guy on a cheap contract. That's something. You have to do because you are not predisposed to get free agency in another country when you get your home grown players. You wanna keep them, and they wanna keep him cheap for as long as they can that makes perfect business sense. Yeah. Just wanna crush Ross Atkins the GM for like you said insulting our intelligence and saying that he just doesn't seem like a major league player when he's getting the highest rating of all the prospects highest you can get like an eighty got an eighty. He's clearly ready. This. This is the type of stuff that's going to make the Karla Mary's of the world, keep choosing football or another sport. Just the idea that you have to be under their control and they're under your under their thumb before you can actually flourish when you're entirely ready to flourish. We know what the deal is just say just the honest with us flat senior Imos be so proud of you song wonder how that feels. I wonder what it feels like a hugely up Lennick father birth me. Nex highly questionable encouraging. Just gonna fall on his head. Just gonna hit him as. Two. Size forty four black belts. But these people on out he is sort of an indifferent. Lazy sense? A myself TV shows brought to you, but me like, great taste and only ninety six calories. Time to let again, didn't miss them at all no a little bit. Seriously. What loved if you as question you give topics in events. We question. The question of this. This fake tough guy, would you touch hissing radiator of any kind of radiator hissing. Would do you get near it and touch it? No, okay. The personification of a hissing radiator in the NBA is this guy. Russell Westbrook and. That's a foul on that pirate. And plays center for the thunder eighty. Oh, see this kid touches him. And yeah, that's the wrong guy touch him. And that wouldn't have been so polite. If that kid hadn't been a kid I've been at a game in Utah last year. Russell westbrook. Got really mad at a fan for saying. Hey, how's your ankles? I mean, obviously he is. I'm not sure what it is. But a hissing radiator. He did talk to the dad though, I thought that was pretty cool essentially telling them, hey, your kid just can't go around touching strangers. But in the end like this interaction between players and fans, it's going to come to a head at some point. It's probably going to be with Russell Westbrook. Okay. But we don't need to go serious. Societal point just watch. How quickly this kid sits down when he realizes wait. Wait a minute. What am I done? Hey, can you gotta pick on someone your own size? You know, I was planning on that game. Kills me. Don't be a bully Zia Thomas. Do you question if MBA things give untold Neo matoco, look, oh, my father loves that name. You wanna say it again, you want to and all he is three points sharp shooter the record for threes in a minute is twenty six he's trying to beat it here. Let's see if he does. That's an awkward is interesting for them. Believe to answer the question that NBA teams to take a look at a guy who I Thomas can block on the regular. Also, I think stamina and conditioning. My something of an issue here. You might want to the path is going to be coming from somewhere else other than right at your right hip. Not sure about the basketball, I q on this land is yet. This guy would be a monster. If every was exactly this speed and distance. He just got a new job. He's shooting coach for Marco, FOX. Maybe. Oh. Do you question? If this kid should be cutting down these trees. All right. Whenever we're cutting down trees around here. We are barely avoiding mishap. So we go on to Indonesia, how close was this to being something horrible. So we encouraging. Just gonna fall on his head. Just gonna hit him as that. That's too. That is one way to win at hide and go seek just smoke him out to the trees down who get. Mom losing at this game. Let me go get the machete real quick and get these kids out of the treat. If you were climbing that tree would have taken down your own way. Lookout funny things. He's funny to shame. His pets. I try that wouldn't need them at that. It would be my weight you see I would just get up there. And then everything would fall out. And then you'd wonder all why did we do that to the floor? That must have hurt the floors so much when he landed on it. Do you question? If these cranium calisthenics athlete, he said, we're luck nailed it. It wasn't about bowling didn't nail. It. Listen to the question. Do you question at this? Ukrainian calisthenics athlete is a Warlock where else are you going to get that kind of coverage? Let's check in with some previous library of Warlock footage. This is like seven or eight and things that we buy denim fide. Sports thorough investigating all proven to be warlocks certified notarized where the ball go where to go. Yeah. This wrestler on the floor. Where did he come from? That have been very quick. We might wanna show that again. Yeah. This is my name is. That's your favorite one. Very good. That's impressive to there. And now, let's check in with this. Ukrainian calisthenics athlete is this Horlock. Get the hell out. That's not possible. What is that? It's not possible on me. That's not right. That's not accurate. Oh, wow. I mean why that's not Warlock? That's just impressive president deserves a round of applause right there. I mean, good. Oh. Is that real be real? If you tried that you break your arm. Yes. That's probably how that would go. Yes. If I tried that I would probably if I had three break a third arm as well. It would even get halfway around. I don't even know if he'd do that. Do you question? If it's still got it. Years have been unkind to Steven Seagal. He's seems to be retaining a great deal of water. Let's check in with a martial arts tournament here. Whereas even scholars out. Yes, how many black belts is wary? Size forty four black belts. But these people out he is sort of an indifferent. Lazy sense? Hunter Pence they're really taking a beating. Now look at him though. Now. I mean, the guys that just falling. What is this is this? This isn't even nineties movie. Even wrestlers are saying, this looks terribly fake. Here for any bonus Steven Seagal footage, you've got. No, you guys have to send buddy type. Why do you think I recognize that he was retaining waters? He has a thyroid condition like I do as well. Question broadcast on clevelander hotel, beautiful south beach, Miami. I'm again, two things the blue seed he said vastly on the rating cinematic experience seat on all that the one where Samuel Jackson. Spoiler alert gets eaten by a shark like ten minutes, and you tell us what to watch on TV tonight. We tell you intrigue. Tonight on sports that oil is at Maple Leafs. Okay. This bet involves cat poop. We liked to do this for some reason on the show. I don't like it at disgust me every time, but sports fans, they bet whether or not to eat horse poop or dog poop and here maple leaf fan has said that if the Maple Leafs rally, the cat poop will be eaten. I don't care it. Anyone says this is real poo? And this is going to be disgusting. I'm literally gonna do a couple of choose. And then chase it with water because I'm gonna peel. I'm not here to this. Really can't watch this. I'm having a hard time. I'm sorry. I'm not joking. That's is your your intrigue me. Why do they go all the way to poop? Why why can't you eat cat food? Maybe a ball of cat hair. And who's holding them to who's holding to this, Dan? There's nobody else there. You were making yourself eat the cat poop. This is ridiculous. You're making dance. I mean, we don't have to televise it though, Popper you in true, see c. Guy made a big mistake. But it you got it. You've got to put some salad dressing on it. You know catch goes down this year. You know, he's better. That's gonna do it up. That's right. That's what you've gotta do. You think he said catch off cash up cats? Tonight on E, very Cavalieri. Poppy, how would you describe a llama Llamas aren't very popular in Cuba, where you're from very popular the lake me, see like, maybe some type of is without the stripes on it, or you know. Florals camel real smoke coming. Okay. Small Cam, very good. Let's check in with the gift for Jay Cutler from his wife. What are you saying look cute? She is spit came rules. No. They sped. I mean, how close you should say food or water and she's good to go. We can make mittens fam-. The whole family can have mittens really touch us about. Fight watch this all day long. There you go. Jay, we need one. We're buds Reggie comes. When you call her. She's basically dog. I mean, she's really clothing and. They sure loves me. So the Lum is kind of cool though. Excited for our law. Donor. He's not going to be very happy. When it goes to the bathroom in the house is your you intrigue. As poppy whispered before we started this. How's it going to do with alone loan on good question reasonable question? How about you? Bob, your you intrigue. Oh, CC very intrigued. That guy is stole ten million dollars from though Fay's. He's buying them. What's happening is that in? I don't think the llama cost a million dollars, but it is stolen money that it was booklet. That's only offered today. Thank you for washes same couple of people tomorrow. But on Friday, we get rid of him. Hey. You know, I was really fooling around. But this really nice to have you back. I don't believe you at all. I used to be gone on Friday.

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WAS Outlook w/ Fred Katz and Mike Prada; PHX w/ Michael Schwartz

Dunc'd On Basketball Podcast

2:42:41 hr | 1 year ago

WAS Outlook w/ Fred Katz and Mike Prada; PHX w/ Michael Schwartz

"Our first three man pod of these off season outlooks because previous way too boring outlook instead and because of course we're era completely admission of what's going to happen with these teams what at least on this pod we are welcome in for cats of the athletic and the new who wizards beat writer at least for purposes and Mike prey to of espy nation longtime wizards preview outright you did it is outlook podcast guests yeah so I I think you can provide the nice reasoned approach approach here and Mike can provide the completely depressing wizards fandom outlook here but unfortunately richly with that may be one of the same Yup that's since since I did a terrible the job of ensuring a as I always says it's really becoming a tradition unlike any other matters is a tradition unlike any other the annual late eight September injuries wizards injury surprises which came out with Wednesday Thomas this time out six day weeks with a thumb injury What is it been in pastures? John Wall was one year Do you remember the Mecca Okafor neck issue of a few years ago. Oh Yeah Oh yeah because they did the Tatra thirteen fourteen yet yet that was due to that there was a martell webster one. I believe one year If I recall technically Dwight Howard was one last year although that obviously ended in a certain way and I am sure I'm leaving some off. I mean I feel like Bradley. Beal got hurt in September one year missing time yeah. It's a it's a long attrition and I actually John Wall is happened twice. It happened to twelve thirteen ended happened a couple years ago so yeah. This is a long tradition in wizards land tha I guess we can already had it because see miles also got injured since the double specialists here yet Washington insiders believe that it's the Tober surprise but true Washington inside that its the September surprise beautiful so fred what bring you in here especially around the team on a daily basis ed the place I want to start with this. Group is where the hell these guys are going right now to get you guys impression the new regime overall in a second but I could just what is the direction of this franchise out John Wall of course a Ted Leonsis saying he's likely to miss the whole season with was first he'll surgery and then exacerbated by an Achilles tear. I think it was in the shower right is that is that what the that is what they said well. Do you believe that I mean you know I'm sure I have no reason not to believe that I'm just saying that's what they said. I wasn't with him in the shower. I didn't see it happened. When a guy when a guy gets injured in a game we can say it? It happened in a game but when a guy gets injured in the shower I gotta say they said it happened in the shower because that's how journalism works usually will by that logic then nobody can say for sure whether it happened in the shower because presumably nobody nobody was with him in the shower correct corral only John can say if it happened in the show really we should all be saying according to the team no matter who we are and how close was to John we are accurate. We should all be saying that but unfortunately not not everybody has the the attributive fiber of a true true true beat writer but I thought that was the people who are like Oh probably heard it like in a club or so they they people have no understanding of what it's like to actually recover from a major surgery like that when you can't walk like it's very plausible that you could like fall in the shower and you know considering during how vulnerable his that area was after having that surgery I mean I I see no reason to disbelieve him other than these people who feel like John Wall has like some sort of partying image that this fit into so anyway. I guess I didn't mean to suggest any sort of conspiracy by saying that I declare yes of course the Washington Wizards no conspiracy but where I wanted to get to is he's active play this year a team I think we can all agree is not a playoff contender. It's difficult to see how they will be playoff contender in the near future unless this wall makes a miraculous recovery next year which at his age with the injury history is somewhat doubtful. They're very capped out due to that wall extension of were the whole these guys going and are they going to trade Bradley beal. What do you think because they've been very adamant about not doing it so far? Yeah I mean as of now I I have no indication that they wanNA trade him at all and I think it's completely possible that come February or even come next summer that changes but but every sense that I've gotten that change hasn't even come close to starting yet you know they're not. They're not even close to their as of now. They're adamant. They aren't trading Bradley Bradley beal so so it's possible that it changes I just. I don't think that they're getting there. I think what they're trying to get from. This year is like just just hope that they hit on some of the young guys I think they're in a similar spot right now to like the nets were in in two thousand fifteen twenty sixteen when I was Sean marks came in what twenty two February twenty fifteen something like that in twenty eight no twenty fifteen they made the playoffs right. That's right. No I know I know they lost to the Hawks in the first round but it wasn't that didn't didn't didn't line Holland's get get fired in the middle of that season. It was like Tony Brown coaching in the interim or does that sixteen sixteen sixteen right yeah because they stretch Darren Williams uh-huh anyway that's casper no not not a different and even and even if it were. I don't think we need to talk about the Tony Brown Nets era even on the nets even on the nets outlook Sanderson. That's are the closest basketball team to where I'm currently so I can see the confusion. I think what they're trying to do right. Now is just kind of find their Spencer dinwiddie find that equivalent of guy find their carris liver. They're hoping rehydrate Moore. It can be one of those guys. I don't know if they necessarily think like Oh Wagner is going to be this great guy or Isaac bongos GonNa be this guy or Justin. Robinson is going to be this kind of the person who you know this diamond in the rough they found but but I think they believe in those sorts of players and now that they think that one or two of them has a chance to become not like a star are anything like that but a contributive. Mba player I think if they find a couple of those sorts of guys have really ends up panning out as as a number nine pack and that's kind of what they're trying trying to get out of this year and I think in an ideal world John Wall makes you know as good of a recovery as he possibly can they hold onto beal they have welcoming back in in two thousand twenty twenty one and they can make a couple of moves to compliment them and then they can fight for something for the twenty twenty one playoffs. I think that's what they're kind of hoping for but even if that's the case it's like man okay so you're just running back and fighting for the eighth seed again is that is that really what you want to. I mean I think realistically realistically and even like a best case realistic situation like beat the way this is going to work is you are going to have to tear the whole thing down how much they did this. Summer knits going to take years to build back up because that's the situation the organizations in Mike do you agree with me that a bill trade needs to happen happen sooner than later probably especially if like Fred said the the analog is to the nets the nets traded their best players or uncovered veterans you know they didn't have acid bills caliber but only trade book Lopez didn't say let's keep Lopez around. I guess they did for years here but I guess the point is is that assuming that if your goal is to find the next Spencer Dinwiddie the next Joe Harris the next all these guys certainly you would want to maximize is your chances of both having assets and playing time and presumably if feels already there than you certainly have trouble with some of the playing time and it seems to me and this is the part the sort of unknowable but I think based on what's happened around the league with superstar trades and all the movement there was a window where they they could have fetched a lot more for Bradley beal than they may have been able to fetch a year ago so it seems to me like they probably need to do that. It's hard to know again like we don't know what the offers czar but this seemed like a good time to strike on Mike Conley went for two draft picks and more this series old and has a worse contract so it seems to me like it was a good market to trade star and they didn't do it so I guess maybe the market will get better in the future but it seems like this was a missed opportunity. If indeed the goal is as Fred Said said to sort of try to find some time in the rough. I kinda think that that might not be the goal. Maybe the goal is like just we're pinning our hopes on John Welcoming back we got him. We're damned with him Dan without him and this year sort of a wash in that seems foolish to me but I it's really the only thing that could explain a lot the reluctance to trade bill. I think I oh I think that's what they want like. I do think like I said like in an ideal world. I think they're just Kinda. Hoping John Comes back in the best shape that he can possibly probably be in then they can try to make whatever the heck the run that they're gonNA make in. You know twenty twenty twenty one all that being said. I don't know where that's necessarily coming coming from like. I don't know if that to me I would think that will be coming down from Ted Leonsis because that's not necessarily how this summer went on top of that a lot of the pieces that are in the front office right now our not the pieces that were putting together this summer you know because they hired everybody so late at the end of July and then they still brown people in in August and even September learned with Rod Thorn and all that kind of stuff my I'll take your your nets thing one further about trading bill they treated their guys. I mean Ted Leonsis told me and and later said in a press conference that they want to replicate the clippers clippers trail blake griffin the trading Tobias Harris Different different circumstances obviously around the Blake Griffin on trade than the bill one but like they traded Blake Griffin. They traded Tobias Harris like that's how they got their pieces. You don't have the clippers are really good. It's not because they have a bunch controve big names in their front office. The Clippers yet GALP STAB smart people. There isn't a clippers are really good is because they got really good pieces to put together a good basketball team. That's why the clippers were good. You guys many smart people in your front offices. You want you gotta get good players and I know that sounds like super super simple but like the wizards are lacking saying assets for players anymore. I feel like that's the thing that we all do and we shouldn't do but the clippers are are lacking good pieces theralac the clippers the wizards are lacking good players and they're lacking assets and Tommy Sheppard tried to restock the cupboard with the second round picks Grunfeld traded away and and all that kind of stuff and it was it was a nice start over the summer but it's it's going to take a lot for them to put together pieces to make a competitive team and like Bradley beal is a guy who can do that one thing I will say and this is not like basing this on any sort of information that I've heard it's just kind of like me throwing this out there as as if you did want to trade Bradley beal like you might be telling everybody that there's no way you would trade Bradley beal thing yeah and on top of that on top hopping that like next year's free agent class is I don't know if they necessarily missed out on the best. Maybe I'm just being overly optimistic. I don't know if they necessarily missed out on on bills optimal value. He still has two years left. A next year is free agency. Class is just such a drag that Bradley L. E. Bill could be by far the best player available in like from the time period of twenty like February until the end of the summer if he were to be available elbow you might still be able to get like a lot for him especially if he's playing the way that we all expect him to play Harley. Talk a little bit more about a potential bill will trade in a second but first this from bleakest last couple of months. I've been on the road. I've had more downtime than I usually do and NBA podcasts casts than this one of course are in a bit of a downtime so I've been using blinking just more than ever if you feel you can't find the time to read all the books on your list of your someone someone who wants to read nonfiction books to Improve Your Life and your knowledge blake when he go. 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I think that if in fact act really true that they don't want to trade him as of now I think that it's because they are actually overrating how good he is a number one in the sense that Oh oh this guy if we keep him he can be really the foundation of you know a really good quality eastern conference plant could hit. It and I don't think he's that good night twenty six. I I got better last year at least offensively. Maybe you can take another step or two. I don't see him as that level player. I see him as a you'll lower end all. NBA A tabloid didn't make it this year. That's number two why the hell is he gonNA WANNA state at this point and maybe they're counting on the supermax but it's been pretty he clear especially for people is already had a hundred twenty million dollar contract that he's gotten that the supermax in and of itself has not been enough to get guys to stay it also has to be a really competitive situation which they obviously don't have here and so that brings us by third point which is kind of along the lines of what you're saying. Oh you know if you're you'd be saying in York in a traitor. If your goal is eventually to trade him I mean this roster that they put together seems like it is almost calculated to convince both beal will end the fans and Teddy Leonsis that there is no hope but to trade so you suggesting that the front office is working against the Assira typically additionally like setting the bar so that the owner will finally approve mystery that they make at probably not. I'm just messing around here. I don't know I I'm not saying that that that's necessarily at I mean but that outside of the realm of possibility when it just I mean you saw like letting go and signing ish Smith Yomou moves like that. We're just kind of like a few assets for Cetera and ski but nothing not significant enough to make up the difference in quality and a youth between those two players but regardless of whether it's digital. It seems like that is the inevitable outcome of this roster. That's been put together with that. Yeah I think so one of the things I think about to if you if all of this happened nine months ago let's say like in early December of this past year when it seemed like they were after this bad started unlike actually then you fire the GM you create this like kind of Dream Team of people from outside places in this collaborative office and you adopt this posture. It would probably probably make a little bit more sense but everything that sorta happened last year with I they trade Kelly Oubre for a win now player that they don't resign assigned Trevor Reza and then after saying we're not training Otto Porter suddenly they find out the news about walls diagnosis and they trade him for two players that they don't even tame anymore and just that sort of short term thinking in that limbo that happened in that period they right now are paying the price for that you you could argue that actually the reason that they're doing what they're doing. Now is a there is no rush. They don't need to wait the maze. We'll get more information but they had a whole season season. Get the information they wanted and they wasted I think I think maybe that's really the lesson here. Last year. The way that the Pasha they adopted last year is now has ripple effects. That's GONNA cost them this year. Regardless of what happened with wall because I mean you look at like kind of the trajectory of what they did from July July and it's just totally F- hassard answered it makes absolutely no sense and from a long-term planning perspective and that doesn't just go away quickly you have to pick up the pieces from that and the ripple effect. What does that mean? They missed a window where it would make sense to trade deal because they needed to know more information. Okay look. I know it was a different. GM who made the reporter trade but we are not talking about like I don't mean right now this free moment I mean like wizards people in general are not talking about how baffling in retrospect the reporter trade ended up beat up so totally I like at the time but no but charge disagree completely I completely disagree. I agree with you. I actually it was a good move. I Yeah I think I think the logic ended up not making any sense at all with the way that they executed it. They say they made the trade because John Wall got hurt in that it would it would open up flexibility for them but it didn't open up flexibility disability for them and the two guys they ended up receiving for him grant. It was a different. GM who let those guys walk but Bobby Portis and Jabari Parker both ended up walking they they wouldn't have been right up against the tax this summer. If they kept order they would have been close to it but there would have been ways for them to to avoid and didn't they also to get out of the tax last year because they made that move they got out of the tax with the with the accompanying with the accompanying Mark Morris Trade wars is Wesley Johnson Trade Yeah yes but that was a big part of doing that. Help them. Get out of the tax but like if you're barely over the tax it's not that big of a deal. They weren't aren't going to be in being barely over the tax when you're not necessarily in danger of being a repeat like a repeater tax team I think is a really really overrated overrated thing when it seriously hurts your team in the future like if you have to pay a couple dollars in tax dollars when you're not going to run the risk of being a repeater because you should identify by the fact that your team has downward trending and you're not gonNA need to pay the tax the next year if it means not going out and signing say if Smith for six six million dollars a year you suck it up the following year because it means holding onto otto porter they had other offers where they turned down an offer where they could have gotten a first round pick bronco porter. They traded for two young guys who they said they wanted to get a look at and here's a quote from ready Grunfeld in February we wanted to ourselves some flexibility moving forward and to get some good prospects prospects that we can look at and players have good potential that can be part of the future it also helps us with our current players Thomas Game Thomas Bryant their development and it gives us an easier opportunity community to sign them and keep them very they do that. I guess they sign. Tom Spray signed Thomas for me. They didn't keep Thomas Ski. They didn't keep the guys who they traded the the logic that they put out there for the Puerto trade the porter trade just wasn't they didn't execute on. It and I feel like that just needs. That's that's a that's is just you have your talk about all these different philosophies but but I think I think what France point is that all of this incongruity yeah exactly. There's no presidency presidency of logic three months earlier. You're treating one of those players that could've had the flexibility to have the rights to to for a veteran that was an unrestricted free free agent that was much older and you did that just two months ago and having complete agreement there but that move in and of itself like they got off a guy with a bad contract for just got expiring contracts in exchange. Look that good but but I think I think that's sort of I'm not I think to focus on each individual move. I I think sort of misses the big picture of what is plagued this team in what is still playing this team which is when you're not really sure exactly where you're going and you make all these moves. It's now. This new sort of group comes in. I know they're allowed to saint people but this new setup this new philosophy. You're starting back over again so it was just the whole leader was just a missed opportunity and this is sort of always been the problem with the Grunfeld regime is that you take some of these moves in isolation and they sort of make sense on the merits of what sort of it's true at the time but it never adds up to anything that signals direction where you're going and so that becomes doubly painful win you you instead of kind of finding. Gm right away you wait awhile to create this new Leadership Council for an office thing that may or may not work but that's time that it costs you in I think even now it doesn't quite seem like really know where they're going so every move may make sense but if they add up to it's like it's like an equation. That doesn't add up to what it says up to. It's like a broken equation. I'm beginning to think that Ernie Grunfeld was not the brilliant tactician. I thought he was so fred. this is a good chance of transition my next topic which is what is your impression of this new regime here that they brian. Can you describe you Mike Glued to it here with this you know the Council of elders or whatever you want to refer to it as you talk a little bit about about the process of bringing these guys in obviously had two big names in their sights that didn't work out and just what what the arrangement is right now and what your overall impression of that group has has been today yeah. It seems to me that so far Tommy Sheppard is pretty much been behind all this stuff that fans would actually care about you know the signings the basketball logic all that kind of stuff Tommy's been around forever. I mean he's been in basketball for twenty almost three decades twenty five twenty seven years whenever it's been when he he started with Denver in the early nineties and I think he's very well respected around the league I I don't think the key was necessarily a an extension of Ernie Grunfeld. I really don't think that's the case. The thing that I am really curious about is that teddy out to says is that he's changed right. He says that he did introspection over the summer and he realized that his philosophies and the way that he was running the team and the way the he did things things didn't necessarily work and he needed to edit them and that's great. That's a great thing that you want to hear from an owner but for now that's just talk right and Leonsis forever has the guy who cares about making the playoffs who cares about getting an eight seed who cares about short term over long-term right and that's kind of how the wizards have operated now we talk about Ernie Grunfeld and and these kind of short term Kinda bandaids that he's put on teams over and over again and how it's kind of eroded their their their their future but at the same time the reason those moves are happening or because of the culture of the Ted Leonsis set up now. The owner says that he changed at the same time. This is a guy who only when was it four or five months ago fired Ernie Grunfeld not because of the aretha trade not because he held onto those guys at the deadline get him and Jeff Green or whatever when he could have gotten second round picks for them not for Puerto Not for losing all those second round picks now for process but because the wizards didn't get the seat and he said that the day after he fired him at a press conference that was why it was because they didn't make the playoffs extremely results based reasoning so I wonder the wizards start the season is in ten games under five hundred and fifteen hundred five hundred and then they're twenty five hundred and so on and so forth and if they really fall to the bottom of the League which is very possible is that going to trigger the former Ted Leonsis and if that's the case then it's going to be really hard for the wizards to build and it doesn't really matter Tommy Sheppard banks are ashy brown things or so how any of these other people they brought in the front office think it's good because Ted Leonsis is going to set the agenda just like every owner does for every organization and he's going to decide all right. It's short term when John Wall gets back and healthy. We're going to play for that season then they're going to be sitting there fighting for the eighth seed and trading first round pick so they could get to thirty eight wins and maybe sneak into into the playoffs right so I think so much of this depends on how much has teddy on his changed and has he done what it says he has. All the words words are right right now when they actually start playing basketball games and we see that there's an actual change then I think you could have a really good organization Brett Greenburg who they promoted is now persistent. GM is a really bright guy and his unbelievably well respected within that organization some lower level guys who they're giving more of a voice I think are bright. People they bring in Dean Oliver over who's obviously very well respected and Johnny Rodgers who people at the clippers jus- just raved about They're expanding their pro personnel department. They had one of the smallest front offices the league now it's one of the biggest they've made some changes which you can look at beyond just the people that they're bringing in and you can say this is how a good good organization would operate and I think it's very encouraging but until we see a play out until we see if ted Leonsis has changed or not. It's hard to say exactly how they're going to operate operate because that's where it all starts yet mike. Do you buy the this new regime. Are you overall pleased with just what's come out. I mean from my perspective respective. It's kind of similar to the Wolfpack who I think. Some of the process stuff has been good. They've been saying the right things they've made some moves on the margins that are taking advantages of opportunities you know like debutantes traded and gain those guys in the Lakers re re refilling the cash a second round picks but then maybe the big thing in the wolves case. Jason was drafting jerk culver here. It's not trading bill hasn't worked out or emissions. It hasn't worked up. It doesn't look good at least to me in culverts case not training bill etiquette all of our cases so are you buying that. This is a new day now with this wizards front office. I'm always sceptical when someone in response to trying to do one thing for many years in finding failing than does the complete opposite thing I mean this is just sort of like what happens on rebound relationships. You know you go to doing the exact opposite of what you once did. This is the exact opposite of how Leo's want top rated not just in terms of short term thinking but also terms of who actually had his ear I mean it seemed like it was famous around the team that Grunfeld job was to talk to and there was not really a great connection between the rest of the office and Ernie and Ted because Ted sort took his accused directly from Ernie was very one to one corporate relationship and now he's talking about God's an open door policy. Anyone can come in and talk to me and everybody shares the decision Susan making it. It's one of those things automatically think. Is this really what you want to do or is this just very much what you didn't do last time in your over well and also it seems like like isn't that a recipe for Leonsis making more decisions personally when you get right down to it that no one person has the party maybe mischaracterizing correct but I have no idea none of us really know because this is not how anything is really operate before right like it could work out that way. It could work out a different way. It all depends ends on the people involved in this again. One of my fears a lot with with Ted is that he often knows the right thing to do but he sort of doesn't always appreciate what actually it goes into doing the right thing in a way productive I think it's a quality of a lot of these types of people where they take this theory of. I mean we're all we've probably all read range. The new book by David have seen this idea that it's good to have outside perspective when making decision makings. You don't want to many insider people. I'm I'm sure that Ted is thought on some level like it's good that they have football guy in there. It's good that maybe there's a tighter relationship with the mystics who by the way are fucking awesome in really fun to watch. Maybe there is something to learn their is nice have dean Oliver as a coach not as a member of the front office. That's a unique arrangement but if the people in the processes processes are not right on a day-to-day basis it kind of doesn't matter so it's really hard to. I fear that the mistaken like sort of this overall structure of the the Front Office for the real problem which is that the functions on a daily basis rather than sort of overarching. We have the way it's set up. I think it's more just sort of have everybody in Iraq each other. Maybe this will help. Maybe it won't but it's kind of hard to tell really in by the way would have been nice if they had done all this before for agency you know one. One thing that I think is that we can't necessarily overlooked. Ted is really really good at branding his decisions and so he has said this whole time there's this innovative new this is this innovative new way the new NBA right and so so so Daniel Medina Tommy Sheppard and Sasha browner all at the same level in one does kind of operations and one does is the GM and the the other one does injuries and we can name a million different ways that those things overlap right so I I have been trying for the last three months to figure out what happens swing those things overlap what happens when there's a decision on John Walls you know Rehab has to be made because that's medical and that's basketball or you know there's a certain technology. They want us because that's operations and that's basketball or whatever there's there's always overlap. You can't necessarily categorized this and the answer that I've consistently gotten. Is your overcomplicating complicating this. We're just going to use simple logic. You know a basketball decision when you see it. It's a basketball decision and that's it and if that's the case in Washington for Justice Potter yes yes. It's what was it Miller verse of the US Right I care it was the one where he just said. Basically I know pornography game. That was the Miller case that was Miller. Aren't you a lawyer here anymore yeah well. There's juiston on this well. I was never one. I'm pretty sure that was the Miller case. I'M GONNA look this up when I'm when I'm done with this but but I don't remember what I was saying I have no recollection of saying I got it. I am saying I now remember. I am saying that if Tommy Sheppard is just doing the basketball decisions and I know basketball when I see cadenas doing medical and I know medical I see no that guess what this isn't innovative. All he did was promote a well respected Longtime Assistant Vinci. 'em Who a lot of people think was a good move and that's fine and he brought in a long time sport scientists to run sports science and they're not the only team Abbas have a sports scientists in their front office brought in Sashi Brown who yuck he's coming over for football but if he's not going to be involved in the basketball decision making process. It's more just kind of the organization organizational decision making process. It's not that revolutionary of an idea this. Isn't you know you promoted your assistant. GM Internally Turnley who's who's a young up and coming guy who's extremely well respected as well. That's that's not a huge revolutionary thing and that's that's fine. I mean that's completely find you. Don't you don't write it. Might it might work but that's not this huge thing that it's been marketed up to be so I think we have to be cognizant. Missile that when we talk about it because it's either or either there are going to be overlaps and you're going to have issues that need to be sorted out with how you do this or I no basketball decision when I see it and this is just kind of a normal looking for an office that's bigger than it used to be. I mean ultimately if the people work well together or work if they we don't it won't but we have very little insight into how that's going to happen and sometimes the more people you bring to decision. I'm actually like fairly actually sort of uh-huh open to the idea that like you don't WanNa over procedure lies stuff like this as kind of silly as it sounds I mean these basketball is a tricky thing these there. There's a lot more that is going into a basketball is now compared to years ago. I think we can get burdened by process or by kind of a bylaw or how things supposed to be a man sympathetic this actually I'm sympathetic to this idea well. I kind of know when I see it because there's never ever really away dependent down but if the people the right people aren't empowered Howard in the right situation and they don't work well together and they're just sort of thrown together I mean it. It's one thing to have a lot of people but if they're just thrown together just because they have a few different print things on their CV and you think that just because they have those and you bring them together to add up to something called it all comes down to how it actually works and that's just consistently only where I'm just very skeptical and he'd see before I really believe it. because I think world you can make a relationship like Ernie and Ted work really well. If you know it was the right person we always say you want owners to sort of stay away from the team right. Ted Certainly stayed away from the team in terms of what they were doing other than putting down that playoffs mandate so it could work. It's just a matter of do you have the right people. After that impassioned discussion of how it's important to avoid over procedural izing using I'm not going over procedure relies on cast and note that we must move onto a bleak as they are the twenty nineteen twenty wizards prospects here so ah Fred. How are these new additions to the team GONNA fit in Hachi Mora they signed ish Smith to be the starting point guard Kazaa Thomas who should be healthy close to the start of the regular season? How do you see this group shaping out here? In terms of how those new players Phoenix they really don't have much now in terms of hold-overs who are actually healthy this year yeah so I think their best ad was Daba Spurt Dan's. I I think he's probably the guy who can who can contribute the most. I love that trade. I want to tell me that that was the best trade the wizards of ever made and I think it was a little little tongue-in-cheek about it but but like how often you see the wizards get like a nice trip where Elvin Hayes at one point well. It's funny you say this was basically the jared Dudley trade figures very similar logic. Yeah I mean look it was it was a good move. A bertone's is he fits them well. He's he's he's GonNa catch and shoot unbelievably. He shot the exact same percentage to the decimal on corner threes last year is John Wall shot on layups which is just just wild to me. He's an unbelievable shooter. Coming off an unbelievable shooting year they need that and I'm a little underwhelmed with the other guys that's who they got you know if Smith I think is really nice backup point guard but him and you're starting roleplaying thirty plus minutes a night can lead to some some issues and end and CJ miles is coming off kind of little. He was a little bit better in a memphis than he wasn't Toronto but but he's he's coming off of low bit of a down year and obviously he just had the surgery did get them for free lesson for free designed to get rid of yeah they were. They were trying to get rid of Tommy. Sheppard said that was the quickest is trade. He's ever been a part of and I promise you it wasn't because he was so excited to get. Cj Miles because he they were trying to get rid of trying to get rid of Dwight. Actually a win win trade thought Memphis saved a bunch of money to wants to white got bought out and that gives them breathing room under the tax so the understand why both sides want to do that one yeah for sure I think bertone's is going to be the guy's GonNa make the impacts a lot of the guys who they got are just Kinda guys who like I said they're just trying to take a chance on you know they sneak into and Lakers straight and that was a great move they gave up nothing they gave up a million a million one in cash and they get mobile who I don't really know what he's GonNa end up being but you know he's taking a chance on for free and Bongo and service Burton yeah yeah exactly and Banga Banga is certainly intriguing intriguing six eight potential point guard who still a teenager and and you know Jamaica Jones is is. I don't think he's going to make the roster and you obviously get that twenty twenty two second second round pick because they're just trying to get rounders and it's like that's kind of what their off-season was so for talking just a guy who's GonNa make an impact Bertone's when you're in prison so far I haven't watched him as much as other player. Other people have obviously from college. I know it seems to me that he's got quite a lot of ability but I'm not quite sure if he really Kinda knows spacing and those angles has like the intuitive sense of where to stay in how to fit into a team setting. I think it's possibly develops that he he developed basketball late and he certainly has town I just I I'm a little worried because I'd need to see more but it seems like he has the profile of a player that the wizards of SORTA followed for a few too many times over there some of that sort of where individually Kinda adds up but it doesn't doesn't really fit in a team setting should be better than Jabari Parker in that regard but he sort of reminds me a little bit of that sort of quality but I think at the ninth pick I can understand Stan I think initially I was very surprised that they took him. I think you know talking to Ricky. Donnell actually studies these guys. He was kind of perplexed that they took him as high as they did but I I can understand that at that point in the draft. It's worth a swing somewhere. I'm just not sure what he is. positionally don't really know he can guard fours can he can he do do that. is too slow to guard threes. Does he have enough shooting range. I just think there's a lot that he has to develop to be able to kind of fit into a team. Setting on at least there is sort of space to do that and I will say what's Nice about having batons on a team here and I totally agree that protons was definitely the best position. Is that for one. He's someone someone that does all is kind of the complete opposite type of player. He's all about sort of how he space the floor. How do I play in a team setting? He does only what he needs to do to help help the team. He's not really one to step out and kind of play a very different style of game. He's always moving always running so it's good sort of player for brew to kind of have to be out at his position to learn but also tons can play five and theoretically you could have tons in Hachi more play together at the three in the Ford certain lines so he's versatile so that would I think gives them a good platform to succeed but I I gotTA admit I. I'm a little worried just because of the profile player years rather than how good he is at the profile. He's got a modern Physique League Combo forward explosive around the basket he he's had some decent recent moments one-on-one defensively but the help instincts have not necessarily been their you know kind of more of a Harrison Barnes style ice. Oh game which I think he's actually have plenty of opportunities to uncork this year with really he could end up being their second best score as well who is it. That's who else go to shoot yeah. I mean especially if a bill trade is consummated before the trade deadline I mean he's just going to like I think they may actually be be going to him regularly and trying to trying to develop them but yeah he wasn't wouldn't have been by pick their due to some of the the negatives that you mentioned and yeah I mean and then you throw in also the Thomas Bryant contract me in their three biggest moves not trading bill drafting rury at nine and then that Brian contract you know have it really been that amazing even if some of the more marginal moves you have been upgrade so I'm and those before they made all these changes to the front office. Perhaps you know the the not trading deal right in the frenzy and drafting Rui but it hasn't been that encouraging so far again now if we works out I'll be wrong there but I have to admit I was a little surprised that you were so down on the Thomas Brand contract not because I necessarily disagree rebe it was I I. That's not the feeling that a lot of wizards fans have I think a lot of was actually quite excited about him so to hear logic was interesting. Yeah what will is I mean. He's he's a a young senator who put up numbers and eight. Maybe you could put him as a solid offensive center but I think he's a bread maybe you can you have a different impression near but I thought he was pretty atrocious defensively and doesn't necessarily have a ton of tools on that in to get much better. Oh he was not good defensively and he's like shockingly we know strong which like you look at him and he's a big guy and he just gets pushed around still like guys will finish over him like he's not there and and strong centers will just out muscle him on like the boards and and when they're trying to score around the rim like the Stephen Adams of the world the white sides Drummond's. It's like those those big centers will just manhandled him. I know he spent the summer working on strength to to me the Thomas Bryant deal. That's first player ever to spend the summer working at its strength more than I did so hey hey I'll tell you what the just gained. I just went to Italy for thirteen eighteen days. I gained eleven pounds and thirteen days so I was not working on my strengh word. Just your strengthened different body parts yeah. That's that's that's. That's not a muscle. Watch situation going on the Bryant the Brian Contract to me though is like it's the ultimate bet on the character of the Guy Contract. I don't think I think if he comes back and has the exact same season the wizard tad last year or that he had last year the wizards. I don't know if they would necessarily tell you flat out but they will think to themselves that eight million dollars a year is too much for him. That is coach. Tell me that the coach there told me the Thomas Brian is the hardest working player he's ever been around so that's why they gave him that one very hard very hard any any works. He works like crazy off the court and like I. I try very hard to make sure because everybody here everybody who's decent basketball your oh what a great work ethic Thomas Bryant from every single person who's around him and people who are Great Indiana have said this that dude that works every single one of his teammates like always and it's it's been the case since he was young and that's kind kind of what they're betting on their betting. He's GonNa work so much. This is going to get better. you know he does have a seven six wingspan so like if he just gets strong strong enough like if he just gets in the way of dudes he won't be good defensively and he has lots of improve on just on the mental side defensively like signal calling was not good last year here he was out of position a lot pick and roll defense was a problem I there was there were a lot of issues where he kind of looked confused and looked like he was just this Kinda playing in the wrong spots but like if you can just get strong enough and just merely be quick enough and have an get himself into the right position barely enough afterward he just get in the way of dudes seven six wingspan like he. He's he doesn't necessarily have to be the worst defensive player in the League. There are ways he can get better. There and I do think he's a very very good offensive center. Look at his efficiency numbers less. You shot sixty nine percent on twos. I don't think he's going to do that again. Ed but that's pretty damn impresses and yeah he's Kinda. Got This like innocent like puppy kind of quality that is actually really useful on a bad team because it's really hard to keep the mood light and it's really hard to keep the spirit up and I really think they missed an opportunity to capitalize on that more last year by kind of playing him behind Bobby Portis and I agree that there's some intangible value there it's not that much money of course you can say the same thing right. That's Tim Connolly were rewarding. The guy is work harder. It's like you're saying it's not that much money like giving one hundred and nine hundred million to Jamal Murray hundred and seventy excuse but went ticket How do you guys see some of these lineups situations and of playing time situation shaking out? I I think like a small forward where maybe re could get some time there in theory. They've got. Cj Miles they've got troy brown up. But who do you guys see as starting starting at the three for this group I think I think assuming cj miles not healthy going into it. I think it's I'm pretty confidence foot foot surgery at the end of July but he's still not back to my knowledge. I don't. I don't know what his timetable able is. They were supposed to have like a reevaluated around now and haven't heard anything on that so so. I don't know what's necessarily happening if he's not good to go like it's it's going to be Troy Brown. It'll be crazy if it weren't around. I mean is he. What are you guys thinking him at this point? I think if you ask a lot of people around I think Tina Frederick prone only knows better. I think one thing that they didn't win. The state. They made less years. They play enough because he was quite a useful players showing a lot of skill that they didn't have and they really should have given him more of a platform. I know hands I mean we do this all the time. We're like anything that's like Kinda slightly new and shiny we get excited about but he was for a lot of fans was a breath of fresh air. I don't know if he's a three these little small I kind of think it would have been interesting to see him him. The N. Bill kind of dislike a back Horta bunch of half's but I think it's worth giving him more time and I think most fans would be really happy to see him play and I think he's got I like that he's his playmaking ability both on and off the ball from a print position. I think it's unique unique skill that can can be tapped into. He's got to get better as a shooter and he's definitely a little small for three. I mean he's definitely not guarding the quite Leonard's of the world but I think people would be pretty happy if he played a lot. I gotta be honest other than dribbling. I'm not sure like what he's really good at. At this point. I think he's going to become good cutter days all right thrown into the starting lineup. Hey Nate we're not we're not talking about the two thousand Thousand Sixteen Golden State Warriors here by the way he would hit the shots a Harrison missing the finals but yeah no. I think he's got he's. I think that that sort of thing thing though I think he didn't really get a chance to show some of the things he could do. I think he is a really good passer. I think his playmaking is pretty good. It's court sentenced terrific. You know he's sort of he's an excellent rebounder as as if he's an excellent regarding to he will he will be an excellent rebounding too but of course the problems as three but yes. I mean that sort of thing. He's probably playing a lot of position I don't think we're looking at like a superstar spectacular player but this he strikes me as a kind of player that a good organization would figure out some use is for and I don't know if this is the right one but there's some there's some stuff there intelligent wiser channeled into the right sort of skills can make them interesting type of player. I think how good he becomes is going to be dependent on how good of a shooter he is like he was not a good shooter last year and if he just flat out can't you like if he's a thirty percent three point shooter shooter then he's he's GonNa Struggle and like he he I like I've talked about with him like He. He was not comfortable from the NBA three point range range last year and I think he's got a little more comfortable throughout the year but he was just never comfortable doing it. His form was inconsistent. Some shots you see his elbow all the way in another shot out to sea elbow all the way out he just there was no consistency with this form and like anybody will tell you like if you're not having consistency with your foreign from shot to shot no matter how good or bad your form is. There's no consistency that's when you're just totally screwed on twenty four foot shots and his hid no consistency we'll see if if that was rookie thing and if he gets better at that if he gets better at that and he can be thirty five percent three point shooter I think he could probably run some pick and rolls be good at that. I be like a not a great passing one but a a really good passing two three and kind of a good six man type of player if he can't shoot though then you've got a problem he's got to be able to shoot a three. I think it Kinda all starts there for him. Offensively maybe he could grow up to be like Evan Forty okay someday if if he can improve shoot that's kind of the that would be unbelievable science if he grew up to become shorter to be shorter set him and Sarah I don't I don't think they're journeys. Are that different to be honest. I think the way they both came in the League and the player that sat around skins kids become a tickets pretty similar trajectory so we could see more could be ongoing Saito to be just like much more of a like difference maker. I defense me not on the ball but like just a smarter guy like like Troy. Brian doesn't pop out like Oh man this guy's playing so hard the way Cetera et Cetera athlete than him so I would agree with that you probably yes sorry I'm the only one who could do decent cross racial comparison podcasts. Yeah we got Evan Thomas Unbelievable Yeah. I think it's hard a lot of people make the comparison. I don't think so much of Saturday's value like you said is. He's an amazing off ball defender and it's it's really hard to project how a twenty year old is going to be off a little let alone to project that a twenty year old is going to become come like an unbelievable off ball defender agreement there so any other playing time battles rotational battles that have peaked your interests with this team gets ready crazy one you ready for an absolutely bonkers one. Oh boy just Justin Robinson. That's it's not even listed on Roy world's Washington right now that I'm looking at one injury away right well. That's what I'm saying with Isaiah Thomas Thomas out for the start of the year. Someone has got to be the backup point guard and it. I can't imagine it's going to be they have a lot of point guards on the roster because Isaiah Thomas is hurt and GM walls hurt and so so now you need another point guard and Justin Robinson is sitting right there as an undrafted rookie on partially guaranteed contract you have Isaac Banga you have Troy Brown. I guess who can play Point Guard in the pinch but deal want him to be your fulltime backup point guard behind me. If he's playing with peel they can kind of I share the ball you can do that but you still probably want another point guard there and you have a couple of open spots for non-guaranteed guys and and I would have to guess just using logic of roster construction Justin Robinson is going to have a real chance of of getting their Justin Justin Robinson also not listed on the Washington Wizards official roster page. Oh no no they're sorry D- just doesn't have a photo I mean yeah other times photo or a number on certain asserts roster official page. NBA Well. That's where I'm going with. This and I'm sticking with it. I think it's I think it's a great positional battle and I'm excited assigned to to report on it every single day from next month. Yeah I got nothing add up right as far as battles. This is the crunch time lineup for this group well I can I can I add one more. I WANNA. I WANNA get boy this. This is why we bring you up right to this is great. This is great. I this is this is amazing radio. You told me that you had until till like three forty eastern or something and it seems like you are definitely going to be using up all of that time. Yeah we're going to and a half ars wizards guys. That's how this works Fred. I have a question though like you would think one argument against your just rows and theory is that Oh here regard yeah no let's can we can. We just spend the next twenty five minutes just around so I was just going to say like like wouldn't make me when you're done talking about it but I go like your take. The trash out counsel L. It's just going to say would it make more sense to just play Chris Galvin at that point yet. She's so good by the way did you watch last night. Yeah unbelievable Gal man if people are not watching that team missing out. Can we talk about the really interesting good Washington basketball team instead no no. We're GONNA talk about Justin Robinson and then and then we are going to talk about my next positional thing which is which is which I think is a little bit more intriguing but my mind goes straight to Justin Robinson. You think Rui are bertone's search the former pro. I would think that Burton's start the year usually how go a I'm guessing that it's also nice I think we should have someone needs to beat out. What are the real question to me? That was ill will restart at the end of the year that I I don't know but I would think starting probably start Troy Brown at the three bertone's at the foreign time sprint five. I would think you don't think they will play real three. I could see them doing that as by doing that yeah they could it especially if you know you need now transplant after one a little bit more but yeah I guess that he does not start but it may be bertens's. Shooting makes that a a little more viable to still have enough shooting on the foreign protons shoots more like a three and so re if he can't shoot as much but they're actually runs awesome stuff through it. We'll see me I'm sure they were happy with his similarly performance. I wasn't quite as impressive as far as transferring that to the NBA but they've got a lot invested in him. I could see them really wanting to start him. Have that be part of the narrow also like frankly. This is a sinister aspect to this but like just starting these rookies even if they're not any good like increases their trade value you in just increases your overall perception as an organization as like oh we just drafted owners starting as a rookie so magazine that happening. I don't know from from ten thousand awesome feet away miles. I guess it comes down to whether Scott Brooks shares that vision or whether he's more looking out for himself in winning gains because I can imagine him feeling like he's a hotseat Scott. Brooks also is very much of I mean look at Troy Brown last year. Look at basically any young guy. Could you thought that guy could get playing time and played under Scott Brooks. I mean even all the way back to like Russell Westbrook who played behind Earl Watson when I got into the League Scott Brooks is very very very much of the mindset you gotta earn it in order to get there. You need some sort of obstacle and that's GonNa make the guy work hard. I'M NOT GONNA hand anything out to anybody. Even if they're ridiculously high draft pick who's really talented and no matter what type of situation the franchises and so I would be surprised and they I don't think I don't know how Scott Brooks wheels because I haven't spoken to him about it but I don't think the front office believes that really is a three that's yeah the SA- Sir you know better than that. I would I've a prediction here guessing this. Scott Brooks will not be the coach of the Washington Wizards passed this year because because he's too expensive and I'm sure he's on a maybe maybe you can correct me on this too but he's I think he's on like five minutes as making seven million a year now there's there's. There's no option. Also it's just a straight five years. He's got two years lost five years two years left. Okay yeah then maybe you will be the coach 'cause they. Just don't want to pay him and pay somebody else for a team. That's doc mini good well. Luckily they got into the luxury tax last year. So there's the there's the money aren't they one of the lowest revenue teams in the NBA despite despite being in like a pretty good market. They're going to get that that John Wall insurance though they're going to be there you're GONNA get a lot of money from the John Wall insurance so that that can be reappropriated elsewhere. That's money didn't necessarily think that you were going to be getting two years ago and they obviously got some insurance on this deal from last last year now. I don't know how that changes the way that they're going to operate but a t shirt we got done walls insurance. Hang the banner put in a banner and natural water. put it up breaking crazy right next to the zoo. PD The banner so what is What's the crunch time for this group is they're going to be crunched episode? It's like when I assume Bradley beal we'll be in there. I guess it will be in there. I guess protons will be in their Thomas. Bryan didn't play a lot in certain a lot of crunch times last year but I suspect he'll be in there too and then who else was on like really not else right. I mean it's unless it's Jahine me or they're gonNA play protons at the five year. I could see that is more what I'm thinking that they would go small I would have thought that maybe I'd say at Thomas get plenty of crunch time looks if he was healthy but yeah I mean they don't really the funny thing. Is that like we could like concoct all sorts of scenarios it really they don't have that many options anyway so kind of works out that logic work Let me roll with it. I could see if their season really falls off quickly. I could see the crunch time stuff like I could just see a pivot to Rit. You've gotta give all the opportunities to the young guys now and like I could see crunch time just being like give let it Smith Round things and obviously have bill out there but go with Troy Brown play Hachi Mira at the four and play Thomas Brian at the five and let these guys feel things out in high pressure situations Isaac Banga Admiral Scofield Mo- Wagner put those guys in order of how much playing time they're going to get this year of Jesus Man Wagner Bogner Wagner okay. We're the three I offer Berg bog and Scofield Wagner is number one. I think they came pretty close to drafting wagner a couple years ago Wagner was I'm. I'm not a good reporter Troy Brown yeah yes owes troy. Brown was the I fifteen at fifteen troy Brown was the the number one guy they had at that spot. Not I forget who was the second highest guy on their draft board and then after that was wagner so he was like nick pretty close to being the fifteenth pick before the Lakers took him at a twenty five they they liked him a good amount at the draft now now I don't know if they like him necessarily as much today as as they did at the draft for seeing him in in L. A. Last year when he struggled and he didn't make the German national hits shots yeah I mean that's like is he got blocked John Times last year and he he got seventeen times last year and he took sixty nine shots at the rim like that's like twenty five percent of his shots at the rim. He got blocked not ideal do not it's finest. You don't go to the Rim yes yes yes is but if you don't go to the rim than you gotta hit the shots away from the rents it's true but he does have a little bit more competitiveness and a little bit more defensive chops rim protection than your your typical just pure stretch for Ryan Anderson type A guy in theory but you know he's got it become like not only just like an adequate shooter which is not even there yet ah statistically but like a really good shooter to be a rotation player yeah I mean I think I think he's GonNa get the most time I think Banga is going to play a lot in the G. League week and I think Scofield is gonNA play. He was the third Guy Right Scofield. I keep looking my my Jewish heritage me look at Scofield and when it pronounce it Sheffield every time really field Schlomo field mental mental sounds about right but I think those guys are going to be in the G. League SCOFIELD'S A lot smaller than I realized when I saw him. I don't know I had this vision. I mean he's hell yeah yeah like he's like he's like he's thick but he he's listed six six but I don't think he's six six now. They want him to be PJ Tucker. That's what they want. That's what they hope. Let's find that type of length though does he know and like ah he needs more flexibility whatever you scout will tell me like just not flexibility in the hips and so you wonder about the lateral quickness because of that got more. That's what he's GonNa do. Okay strengths for for this team. This should be a short section. They have Bradley beal. That really seems I mean picket role play with Thomas Bryant Roll Man the probably have like three games they put up one hundred and forty points a surprisingly on we're GONNA say oh look at this offense. It's just because they haven't been scouted anything else. As far as I have another question what they're they're. They're going to be good corner threes. CG Miles really get a corner threes. Bretons really good a corner threes Bradley beal really good. They'll they'll have games where they're gonNA hit like I don't know if they're going to be all the way high up in in three point shooting or anything like that but but they have spurred ability they have they're going to have a game where bill hit six threes in Bretons hits three or four and miles all sides three or four and someone else gets hot and they had eighteenth reason they they win a game. That'll happen I mean I think they could be better offensively than some people I think I mean they were surprisingly competent and granted with a different cast of characters and a little more shot creators but you know nobody that you're going to be really pining loss for like Puertas and Parker but they actually with bill and running the show they actually were they close to a top ten offense for a lot of last year. After John Wall went down wrong they were they were I believe eleventh in offense proficiency after the trade deadline how much of that was fuelled by. I like the way Parker was planning on offense. Though in the hot streak he had a probably a decent amount they had really really good offensive numbers in Parker played against reserves so so that was part part of it part of it was also the bill was just on fire the final half last year and like. I feel like that could continue to happen. He's really really good. He's a he's a great offensive player. You have him running your offense then. You're probably not going to be a bad offense like you're not going to be a bottom five offense or anything like that and and if they can play miles and because they can get to sublime ups that I think could be pretty difficult to stop with miles and Bronze Bryant Rolling to the Rim Bill now is Smith Smith and his lack of shooting doesn't really fit into that as well. If you'd like an off ball point guard who could shoot threes. I would be so much more convinced with that lineup. That's that's what that lineup is missing and that's why I say if Troy Brown can shoot if he can be just a thirty five percent like if he's thirty five to thirty eight on catching catching shoot threes then that changes that lineup you can you can flip him out. You can play him next to bill because they did that. A little bit last year with Grandma's one and you can play Brown right at the one and now you've got brown beal Bryant who can shoot threes and is a really good roll man and then you got miles and you've got batons. That's that's that's a lineup. Were five guys can shoot threes then and you can run pick and roll with Bill Bryant and half guys space and that that's that's a pretty good offensive unit but the need that last guy who kind of be the off ball secondary facilitating if only they had the opportunity to acquire one in in their prime for less than ten million guaranteed a season over three years who was on their team last year interesting. It's strange hypothetical Michael so if someone who might be able to throw up like check yeah if he's good in an international terminal better. This is a bonus though yeah. I don't know I refer to him. Someone who could throw up a Czech guy a disturbing image. That's what happens is in our two of the podcast so so fred of we get to the weaknesses section here what you're saying about the shooter's but with Brown who just has is not even come close to showing the level of competence from three point range that you're describing Ruari not going to be equality three point shooter this year in all likelihood. Some some of these other guys is crafted bench ish like it seems like it's going to be difficult to get to those lineups that really have a lot of shooting around spacey one that they can throw out there so and you know who who knows what the injuries are just wanting to get the more time. I think those guys really hurt them. I WANNA go back to a question that we discussed at the annual Caesar's buffet eat off offense summer league. which is you brought? This up. Fred likes to answer your question. Who is the best defensive player on the Washington Wizards this season? This is like favorite question since you came up I don't I don't I don't mean my favorite question on this podcast by the way I just mean my my favorite question into ponder in life in general answer but the I'm curious what your answers what will help my answer is a generic Jones. How about someone who is likely to beyond beyond their roster? Come the start of the regular season marry. US or I will obviously the Answers Jumeirah John's yes. The answer would be Jimmy Johns. I agree that the answer would be unbelievable rebound considered keeping him. Actually I think he just like the crowd is such a weird player. This is like the team for him to be out that absolutely absolutely ridiculous rebounder just insane. How good of a rebounder do this any anyone because you got Justin Robinson my friend and I think I think Jordan McRae is GonNa make it didn't they decide just an Anderson to he's their best defender Yes but again not not likely to be on the opening day roster? The I have the idea with the actual answers I answer I it's Yodmani me. I think that's yeah which how about someone about the plane rotation. How about someone yeah how about someone who is likely to be in the rotation because 'cause Mickey Miller? WHO's the backup center Wagner? I was thinking Wagner would think so too and and they only have to traditional Brian he'd right. I was thinking Wagner I mean I think if you're going of guys who are projected to be in the rotation. I I think over the course of forty eight minutes. It's probably Troy Brown but I think if you need one stop for one possession at the end of the Game Bradley Beal Bradley Bradley Beal Bradley beal will turns up his defense the final four minutes of game. I mean it's not like he's phenomenal or anything like that but he is way better on the ball at the end of games like a lot of all-star Dr and throughout at least the way he defended last year which I thought he was worse defensively last year than he was two years ago but he would coast throughout games especially off the ball and he it would hurt you defensively because of the way he was playing. I think it was a workload thing but sure oh you know if you need one. Stop at the end of the game. He's good on the ball. Help help help pay attention more off the ball. If if you know what situation you're in but throughout the course forty eight minutes if you're just like who's giving you the most value over the entire higher courts of the season or the entire course of a game like probably Troy Brown. Is it Burton's. I guess what we're saying is that a weakness might be their defense well well well if he can improve his hip flexibility. Watch out for Admiral Scofield. I mean I'll I'll I'll. I'll tell you what this team. Kim was like two and a half points one hundred worse than the cavaliers last year which had the worst defensive efficiency. What do you say this team? What do you mean the Washington Wizards like the Washington Wizards? Sorry La- last year the wizards were like some two and a half points per hundred worse in defensive efficiency than the cavs were who obviously thirtieth in the worst moments of efficiency in the NBA's database going back to nineteen after the trade debt no no found on the year right it was like like one twelve point seven or thirteen point seven compared to one sixteen or whatever the heck the cows were oh so they're better to yes. I'm I'm sorry I saying worse well. I meant better though sorry about that. Yes the wizards were twenty. Seventh or twenty eighth in defense and the cows were thirtieth. The wizards could be worse than that number considering the fact that offense goes up every single year and they're going to be more threes this year than the last year and the average offensive you know the average points per possession this year in the NBA will probably be a little bit higher than it was last year considering the way that the league's trending and the fact that the wizards just let all of their defensive-minded minded players go sat around ski has gone and Areso who was not great defensively but was still one of their better defenders is gone and they didn't really replace them with defensive-minded guys and I could just see this team giving up one hundred and sixteen points per hundred this year yep I mean the the good news is they no longer have parker import is so maybe that'll be addition. Contraction probably any other like just big weaknesses that might bill underrated for this group that we haven't talked by this isn't really this is sort of only tangentially related to this question but I'm actually curious because I know neighbor earlier like is was last year as good as a guest Bradley dealers. They're more room to grow. I personally Cillian little worried because his minutes load if you look at how many minutes he's played in his career yeah the time. It was insane how much they're playing a mustard. Should I think they were doing it because they wanted he wanted to make all. NBA and they probably wanted to make all NBA sleek. Give that contract down. Maybe I'm wrong. That wasn't the only reason it was also because Scott Brooks just genuinely doesn't believe that minutes or that big of a deal he believes that you can rest guys in other places that you can set them for practices and all that it's got Scott once and Scott is a very charming guy and like you know as the ultimate King of the Dad joke and one time when answering answering bring oh no he is a answering answering my five hundred eighty second question about Bradley beal's minutes of the year Scott called me such a millennial like he he just doesn't believe in that stuff he's going to do. They're going to more of an analytic model which means turning to catapult technology. They use in all all that kind of stuff to. They're going to have to change it or else. Bradley beal like really is GonNa Diana Wizards uniform. They're going to have to change something so yeah I I but yeah it's it's. It's because Scott just doesn't really believe in it and bill is so competitive that he never wants to come off the floor so he's never gonNA ask out. I look this up recently wait. Did you realize that bill is already played almost seventeen thousand minutes in his career in the regular season plus another sixteen hundred in the playoffs. That's a lot more than I would have that. I think a lot of people would expect only just turned twenty six so you would think so I don't know I think it's not really a weakness per se but I this is another reason why I wonder if they miss the window to really get valley for him like I'm. I'm not as convinced that his trajectory upward is actually as upward as it may seem like that it may have been and I love. I love the dude. He's so much fun to root for. He's got such a smooth game. He's such a great person but I don't know if we're going to get anything better than that from him. I mean here's the thing that you have to add to its its those minutes for a guy who missed time early in his career for stress fractures which he and his doctors doctors and his trainers all say was because of over usage yeah I remember the old company line was like well. He was growing and I just remember rolling my eyes at that one so yeah I I. I think he can get better. I hope so I think I think I don't think he's done getting better. I think he will be better this year than he was last year. As how is that going to occur what shots elections he took so many mid range that backs last year which he loves that and he's like I mean how you can improve your shot selection with like nobody else on the team's. GotTa take every difficult shop. Yeah I mean he's GonNa take really difficult shots but he's GonNa take more threes. I I really think you can you can founded condiment taking nine or ten threes a game. You can do that. I think. Will this second change. Yes I may look for all the for for all the crap that Scott Brooks cats yes. He wanted bill to take a lot more threes last year that was on bill not on him. He wanted bill taking nine or ten threes a game and bill took seven which like not a terrible number or anything like like that but if he can take nine or ten I think he should be taking deep threes. That's my big thing. I don't know if they're going to do this. This is just like my my really natural has like the a forum for that. I mean those are kind of more four guys who shoot like more of a set shot which he doesn't really shoot to my record no he doesn't. I think he can do it. I watch them during warmups. I know he's an NBA player. NBA Players are great and he just drains he's. I think he's a good enough shooter. I think you'd have to work on it. I think you have to spend an off season on it and didn't spend this off season on it. I think you would have to spend an offseason on it but my thing is like especially with if you want space run a pick and roll with Thomas Brian At at twenty nine feet instead of at twenty four feet pretty much every Bradley beal threes right on the line and you want some more space if Bradley beal can hit a twenty-seven foot or you can run a Thomas Bryant pick and roll at twenty eight mets one way to open things up talking to categorically chain offense but it's a nice little wrinkle that you can add and they could use a couple of extra nice wrinkles. I think yeah I mean let's I agree I agree with you made it if he could do it. Consistently I would think they would have already done it so that's really the the issue here. I'm not saying he can't but he doesn't have the type of poor for Europe Eric Gordon Dear Steph Curry's Ryan Anderson us to shoot him for Thep Our our second Ryan Anderson Reference on his Lillard. Does he have Lillard strengthen. The lower back and Lillard is actually one of the few guys who really like can shoot a jump shot but it Brielle so you've been like he he'll shoot a jump shot sometimes more of a such out sometimes to all right. Let's see where the quick thing I I do think he can improve a AH playmaker as well like his patients patients in the pick and roll his general passing. I think that certainly better yet. That's the thing that would probably a show show up at the most to me as well Let's get some predictions on record here for this wizards season Sarthe you might think if field plays as a decent number of games. They're GonNa Win Twenty Nine Games or twenty eight games. I think if Bill Mrs. Significant time they're going to be the worst team in the league. I will give me a hard number here here because the the well I'll give you the contract. The contract is that you guys don't miss more than their history has indicated twenty seven fifty five all right. I'll go twenty two and sixty that defense just going to be really rough so i. I think there's a pretty good chance of appeal trade because they're gonNA. They're gonNA really struggle in the beginning so that I would price in a little bit yeah defensively I I mean there's no way they're not bottom five. I don't think I just did coming up to XERS Phoenix product another candidate there to be in the bottom five so when you're starting with that as a baseline and I think I agree with you. Freddie could get as bad as you know some of the worst defenses of all time even which you know we talked about like okay you're ranked number twenty seven hundred ranked number thirty but if thirty is three points worse than twenty-nine that you really like yeah that that makes it a lot harder to overcome with offense and the offense offense I think is the harder part to project. Obviously they're extremely dependent on beal also just point guard with Isaiah already out I mean we haven't talked to him about him because he was injured. Zulu zooey is gonNA come back at some point. He'll I mean. I thought that was a good signing. I think he's GonNa provide needed job creation but I don't think he can do it efficiently. At this point in time would bilas off the floor. I expect them to really struggle. I think when bills on the floor you know I could see them approaching kind of being like a number seventeen offense with bill on the floor because I'm willing to worried about their shooting etiquette is older and can't shoot and otherwise taking some strides that area but then we'll deal is off the floor. I think they're going to be a close to a bottom five unit unit again so through that together. I'm kind of looking at maybe the number twenty offense overall and number twenty eight defense. Would you guys go that. It sounds about right. I I admit that my sent my prediction is in part based on cynicism that they're not gonNA outright. Throw in the towel. This this is great. This cynical prediction is that they will have more with last year. They shouldn't have won thirty two worst Klaly Lawley team than than thirty two wins. They just sort of didn't that famously thing that that our friend Jake would occur as memed over and over again which is telling us is saying we will never ever take that have seared into my brain when thinking about their record yeah I mean I so I am going to ultimately go with go little Harland. I'm GonNa go go twenty stuck between twenty three and twenty four here. I think I'm GonNa go twenty four wins for this. Here's an interesting question what would would have to happen for them to make the playoffs other than divine intervention yeah I mean are we assuming like you know. The rest of the teams are still in the league like you don't see just like abhorrent comments dowd sterling comments made by one third of the League and they just get completely kicked out and you know sixteen seen teams up. Eighteen teams left yeah so jaanus get suspended for the year. Kyrie gets a suspended for the year Brooke Lopez's get suspended for the year and everyone else gets suspended for the year. No Bradley beal would have to be first team. All you have to be that good. I mean probably right. I mean it could theoretically could there be a world where they off to a decent start and then they actually make a we now trade Isaiah Isaiah Thomas would have to return to being at least very good and Bradley beal would have to I think he'd have to be First Team on the EBB and Thomas Bryant would have to be like legitimately a very good a twenty and ten senator who's more than just twenty and ten like not empty numbers twenty they sort of have to have like the kind of year that Charlotte had a couple of years ago where they're just suddenly came into camp shooting zillion threes in car everyone by surprise yet. They had like good players on that team though I'm not saying it's you're talking about the Al Jefferson Year no now the the the twenty six sixteen Gotcha forty eight with yeah like I said I am not suggesting this will happen. I'm just trying to imagine if there is a world like like what would happen. Well I got one for you would've thought welcomes back that might that might be would that actually help them given his injury situation given his backups yes I. I guess you probably yet so I I think so yeah and presumably he would be back unless he really were able to perform it like a real level but that won't happen because they need that insurance money member yes so you can hang the banner yeah. I'm just a it's just like ten million dollar banner. It was like like like they get fifty percent of his salary. It's just like the ten dollars like two days like half a half of his half Emerald Emerald dollar sign on all right. I think the grotty gas here so yeah so you got what it takes to make the playoffs but best best case scenario for these guys I think it's probably I mean in terms of wins is probably the thirties I think the best case scenario in terms of the direction franchise is that Brown and Brian Ah in particular but also to really establish themselves starters Hachi Murray shows enough flashes where you think this might be a player we can have in our core are and that really is independent Hammy wins. They have so. What's your number there thirty five thirty two? I mean it's possible I guess that gallison carry get suspended ended simulate the world a trillion times. Maybe that happens once for Fred best-case scenario yeah here's what happens so so James James Harden trash talks jaanus and Yatta gets really sick of all the I should have been an MVP talk and then Janas goes after James Harden. That's honest get suspended and then there's just a trickle down effect for the rest of the League because everyone thinks this is really cool and wants to be like Janas they all get suspended to the cool hip thing to do and then the wizard sneak in the as he's way too much for we are a humorless program. I know I listen I think and I think the best case scenario by best case scenario you mean just like the most possible wins right thirty. I'll say thirty that's exactly what I had as well and then worse case scenario I was nineteen wins worst-case scenarios fifty mobile tree. I think fifteen fifteen sure sure what what if they trade bill and all they care about in Biel in a bill trade is is many future pieces they can possibly get so just young developing developing guys they don't care about getting somebody who can help them today and as many or they forgive us many picks as you possibly can and they just do it just for picks. I mean Dan Dan what's on this team. Fifteen is so low. It's very loud. That's like I mean you're just not going to seventeen eighteen by the knicks was basically the worst anyone has been in the the Post Pinky sixers era at the knicks might have been seventeen in two thousand fifteen as well but what one thing that I will mention it one that will match which we haven't mentioned and I don't know if this is going to be a thing or not I've. I've been told that it's not but by the way saying a thing makes you total me. I am a total millennial. I was born in nineteen eighty nine. I'm very much you are literally really a millennial. I'm quite literally millennial so so that's fine. That's another millennial thing over. Do you think that Scott that was just like you did the word literally from my mentioned. Do you think this guy was just being very literal with what he said to you and it was not pejorative all he was just like he researcher. You're when you were boarded just figured it was tied to deliver the fact right he he was expecting me. They'd just say you know. Did you know that you're a genzer a Mazda my thing which I don't know a thing or not a thing is looking at Sashi Brown did with Cleveland if he is and again they say he's not involved in the day to day basketball decision making but if he has a hand in the overall philosophy and they do come to a place where they want to trade Bradley beal his is entire philosophy with Cleveland was we are tearing this thing down to the bottom. It was football hanky right. That was what he was and I'm not saying they're necessarily going to be in a place to do that but if we're talking worse case scenario maybe we factor into the worst case scenario of okay. Sashi Brown is involved in the overall. Maybe not the day to day removes and deciding this players good players not take a risk on this guy. Don't take a risk on this guy but he could be involved in the situation that we are in as a franchise is not where we WANNA be. The way that I know how to do this thing is to me to be shocking if he weren't and so that's what he did in Cleveland and I asked him at the intro press conference French if he believes that that is the way to rebuild earth that's what he what the situation dictated and that's why he did it and he gave me a complete non-answer on answer and I am as uncertain of how feels about it today as I was before I asked that question so I don't know I have no idea if he decides where you're GonNa tear this thing down. Get as many as as you can for Bradley beal get as many as you can for Burton's. CJ miles shooting forty two percent from three trade him for a second round pick right now. That's what we're GonNa do you and we are going to play Justin Robinson and Troy Brown and and Thomas Bryant and whatever other guys we have who are under twenty four years old on this team mm-hmm yeah yeah. I think you can win fifteen games like that yeah. I think it'll just it'll take too long to get to that point. That's true but yeah as possible. I I'm a yet I do think that AH with Leones assists philosophy I mean it's just whether he wants to make the playoffs. I think that if you have a roster were that really is just a total impossibility as as opposed to feeling like it's just out of reach then maybe he's just beaten over the head with the need to rebuild it may be that is ultimately what ends up happening here intentional all or not so wanting to keep in mind of course the lottery odds do not favor the tear down the way they used to and in the know lottery so you know maybe that's a complication Asian trying to project. What Sashi Brown actually thinks that you might as well be happy cabinet but here's the thing is like there's no way for them to be halfway competent if they moved the you know I mean that's that again? It all gets back to that inflection point so yeah but anyway. I'm going to go with nineteen wins. I don't think they can get to fifteen th sad is that maybe for for Mike you you know really wants them to do as poorly as possible. Fifteen verse Nineteen Wins just four wins at that point to enjoy mislead. Are Anything else you you guys wanted to hit any points that came up that you didn't get a chance to say with this. This loaded three man booth here. Can you imagine if there were points that we wanted to get in at this point and I do remember by the way since thanks to someone tweeting it back at me that one of the other October September surprises in the injury world was Allan Anderson that that one year so a who was actually going to help jared Dudley and a back problem the next year or maybe I'm imagining that anyway Allie Anderson. I forgot about him. No I think they acquired him with the back issue right and then the thought was oh. That's why Milwaukee traded him was the issue but then he ended up being okay and actually helping anyone. That's all oh I will on that spectacular note. Thanks a lot for joining us on this rollicking yarn of offseason pod of looking forward to seeing. Can you guys that in Vegas next year for to eat off if not before then US guys. Thanks for having US thank you so as football football season. Danny has joined our nerd fantasy league for the first time so most Sundays we get together at my buddy's house at least until basketball full season starts and I'm doing all the research for the fifteen sixty but for now I actually have my Sundays free really enjoying to sit back and watch football but once you get there clearly you're not gonNa want to go out to eat at miss the Games you don't WanNa make something at home. It's not as good you want to just relax a on Sunday. 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You're probably just expecting like perpetual fifty win seasons for for basically the the the rest of the time I definitely wasn't I definitely wasn't expecting a nearly decade. Long playoff drought so but we are well. There's I mean if the west weren't so crazy this year. You're maybe a you might say they added punchers chance of ending that and you know they have a lot of young guys who could take a step forwards on the projection systems. We like them Kevin Pelton. I had them in the mid thirty. S Four wins but I guess Esu where we can start is obviously this team really struggled last year. They had a ton of injuries. They had a ton of holes. So how do you think they've done at improving this team based on where it was last year yeah the big thing. is you say a ton of holes. I mean they were craters at the point guard spot and the power forward spot almost not even a certainly not any starting level players at those positions but almost not even backup levels. You're playing. I'll guy teams shift down so you had some decent three men playing the four which is okay but this team was last in the League in rebounding because they just I just didn't have that legitimate formante put next to De'andre and and then obviously the point guard spot has been just a huge huge weakness for the last two years you bring Tyler Johnson who's not even really a point guard and he looked like a big upgrade over what they had so I do feel like Ricky Rubio even if for Utah obviously they wanted to upgrade for for where Utah's at and it's teams development but for the sons Ricky Rubio is a huge improvement of what they've have had without question there you're actually you're still a little bit hot as possible to turn it down a little bit more yeah. Let's see I'm using just Peter you could get also probably move it away from you'll okay I'll do that that might be and how you're how close are you to look at pretty close has this here did start spark starts. We're speaking passionately like you're pretending that you're getting angry again about how bad the point guard situation but I mean they know lower. Okay I mean you look look at the list of Point Guards Devon Booker's played with the Anthony Mountain Elliott Kobo the last couple years as his friend Tyler Ulis. It's been pretty embarrassing. Yeah okay okay now the as good are you on like absolute minimum right our or can you. I'm pretty close to minimum. Yes I've just looking at my minute in your it's like but it's a it could just be the softwares is kind of in a way. Is this okay. That's it does perfectly. We get a little bit more echo that way which but it's also not as not so. I think that's that's perfect okay. I'll just react to what you just said about bringing bring in Rubio so I've Kinda hot take for you okay. I actually think that Tyler Johnson is a better fit for what they need next to Devon Booker then Ricky Rubio is okay. Why why did Johnson is probably better defensively at this point and that's that's been one of the underrated things is that they haven't really had anyone who could defend at that position? You're not to mention having someone I mean Dante Mountain Kobo and going going back to euless who obviously hasn't worked out. He's out of the League now so and a Kobo might be on his way there at Melton is on the team anymore but I think Johnson he is really shows us. Stay Healthy Sodas Rubio but just to be more of a competent shooter and I think he's a better defender putting the ball in Rubio's hands might be useful as far as setting booker up on occasion but booker is not he's not just like some standstill shooter that you just throw it to off the pick and roll and maybe ethic playing with Rubio help the off ball game but that's you know it doesn't take a ton of talent to just throw passes to guys coming off of screens US early so I- Rubio certainly the way he played in the World Cup was encouraging but in the NBA game where you've just gotta be able to make that three pointer off the ball. I can't like Johnson still better as if then Rubio now where I think Rubio can really help is running the team when booker is off the floor getting them out in transition a little bit more like that's where he can help but I think actually actually Johnson to me could be better at and also interesting that the sons have one of the most expensive point guard rotations in the NBA but the I take it you disagree with me. No I don't necessarily disagree. I was actually going to say I think we're all help. Most is when bookers off the floor because this team just had last year no other creators outside of books so I so much was forced on him. I think it'll be helpful for him to be able to take I don't WanNa say possessions off but possessions where he's not the sole focus of everything and I think it'll be helpful for a rubio to potentially generate open look for booker remember the last time he just had a spot up wide open three pointer in theory with another primary playmaker on the floor that will happen with Rubio but I think Tyler Johnson was incredibly underrated last year so I don't disagree from the fact of the just straight fit but I think there's so many other aspects of Rubia that I think it certainly improves the team as a whole will yeah that's true and it'll be interesting to see where tied Jerome Fits in in that point guard rotation too but I think you're definitely that's going to be something something that money Williams is going to want to do is split up Rubio and booker a little bit more if Johnson and revere healthy because if you take Rubio and booker both I thought the game now again you're really struggling to get someone who can create offense even run a basic. NBA picket role because that's not something that Johnson can really do if you're running him at at the backup point guard without Booker on the floor and I mean getting that secondary Creator U-b-e-r as more of a guy who can attack off advantages same same thing with the bridges Cam Johnson is not gonna we'll see how much he plays but he's not going to do that and and Co and and John Carter had not known for they're picking role billed either so unless it's tied jerome who really is ready right away which could happen splitting those guys up seems like a pretty good idea to me on so you mentioned Point Guard Power Ford you also mentioned as it opens or they picked up Dario charge there. How do you like his fit with this group? You know I've always really liked tim. I think the offensive fit is going to be awesome because that's another shooter where you can almost put a full lineup of shooters. I know you're probably going to say Rubio's not a shooter but you know so be. I would never say anything negative about the Mike and sons twitter is well aware of my positive stance on all things no question but yeah just being able to completely space the floor around eight and run some Rubio or booker pick and rolls those with him. I think offensively fit is going to be seamless defensively. He I am not as certain obviously that's kind of to at at least right now. Negative defenders at the foreign five spots certainly not you hope the Andrei becomes this but at this point not a true rim-protector so certainly worried about the fit defensively defensively but offensively especially with the experience at Shara Chaz playing with towns playing with embiid playing with those types of big men. I think that the offense of Mesh will be great yeah and one thing that charge does provide. I'm not I mean he's white and he's Europeans. I think a lot of people think shooter and he's also been typecast is that in Philly in Minnesota where there are some other options that took precedence they'll probably be the case in Phoenix while but at least he provides some good passing thing from that position and with Booker taking a step forward in that area Rubio is one of the better passing point guards for the first time really since the Steve Nash era you can look at this team is actually having some decent passers on it and I think that can really be additive especially when you've got eight new who is one of the better rookie finishers that we've ever seen last year u-b-e-r Guy who can get out for some dunks as well the the team could run a little bit more and more effectively so I do like that aspect aspect of just they've got some guys on the Steve Now that are actually smart players in good passers which is not something that you could have said they had in the past and honestly I would say Aden's in that category too. I think he was an underrated passer. He didn't always get to show it and as a rookie. There's so many other flops that and other little things is it you need to work on but he's got the vision and I think I think he could certainly eventually become a player in that category as well. Yeah I thought at times even Vigne was almost too aggressive as passer which probably you'd probably rather a guy start that way and you can and have some natural vision as I mean that's the thing is this on his film going back to two Arizona. you know I thought sometimes he was just a little bit too eager to make that first Ez pass out of the post when when he got double teamed teamed and you know they just a little more patience and waiting for something to develop on the weeks I had to make a decent pass to a guy who might be kind of open at the arc versus you know the next level pass to the cutter the guy who's wide open on the weak side it will be the next that for him but yeah I think this this could be a group that can move the ball around a little bit and that's something that I think could really help booker because you know whether it's his own proclivities or whether it's just been the lack of options. It's probably a combination of the two you know. He spent just a Lotta time on the Baltic. Ben Taylor did really nice video on him how he really likes to back it out. Just Kinda set up the chessboard attack and he's taking steps forward for sure but to see him be able to be part of the whole everwood making quicker decisions. I kind of wish Kokoschka. We're still there yeah in that regard. Let me ask you about that actually mean how what did you think of the job that he did. Do you think he deserved to get fired and then we can move into a two there are other big another big offseason acquisitions Monte Willett. I don't think he deserves to get fired but I think it was somewhat clear that the players weren't fully buying into everything he does as a coach. It seemed well. One player has gone Josh Jackson in particular but overall Paul offensively his you know he he runs a pretty scheme and the ball was flowing a little bit more than it had in prior years but if when you talk about the leader coach who's going to really compel players to play harder. It just didn't really happen so I think it was one of those things where it wasn't isn't fair. I don't think anything he did was deserving of being fired but when you win nineteen games it's understandable why especially with some new pieces in the Front Office with James Jones being elevated early on in last season even in the preseason a you understand why it would happen but I don't think there there is anything he did per se deserve it. Yeah I mean I guess you could say that alternatively. He didn't do anything to keep the job and convince you necessarily that he was the guy going forward but yet like with the lack of performance and the turnover in the front office that those really the writing on the wall for him. So what do you think think of their choice of Bungee lives that there's at least the fact that they're able to get him when he was in demand that the yeah the Lakers wanted him as well. It seems like they stepped up with a pretty a big contract. certainly his character credentials are impeccable Abu. What do you think of him as far as what we saw from him a few years ago Oh in New Orleans and what is fit would be with this group now yeah? I mean like you said first of all any time you get a coach to Lebron James and the Los Angeles Lakers seemed to want that's a huge win for a franchise that's been at the bottom of the western conference standings and in some ways the anti eager eager since he's he's such a passionate guy and you feel like all the leadership aspects that were and I love your so I don't I don't want this to sound negative but you know some of the stuff that may have been missing. You feel like he'll be able to rally the troops a little bit more and the big thing to me is his work was with some of the big men AH obviously Anthony Davis New Orleans and then even whatever is able to do with Joel embiid last year in Philly. I think he could be a coach knows how how to get the best out of gender eight and I think that was one of the most important parts of whoever the higher would be yeah. I think my concern for Williams is that is it seemed like his Pelicans. PELICANS teams always punch below their wake defensively yanked. That's ultimately what had a if you look even like a guy like Eric Gordon right who's now lauded is a pretty good defense or defensive player in Houston as pretty good defensive tools Alvin gentry did much better with Gordon in New Orleans but although only had him for one year but you know Gordon was one of the worst defensive shooting guards underbody Williams and you know part of that was politically just didn't want to be in New Orleans at any health issues as well and you know Ryan. Ryan Anderson wasn't a creek power for their either but you know even when they were playing like Omaha Schick and a D. together. They weren't a great defense would say probably they drew through holiday on that team is what they had to pretty good defensive talent. They Punch blow their weight and unfortunately this son's team to me. does not appear to have a lot of defensive talent so I think other than maybe Rubio and Tyler Johnson Mikhail bridges is okay. I think you'd be Air Baynes too because a backup center could could be as a stout defender for awhile though he's kind of more of a system guy. You're an individual difference maker so I I am very concerned about their defense. I my prediction would be that you know you're looking at a certainly bottom ten and likely up autumn five once again defense my other was this group. My other concern is just the pace obviously New Orleans that he played a slower pace and I feel like the signs especially with Rubio Booker Eight and they should be at their best getting out running being in the top five ten pastes so I'm curious if he's going to adjust to his personnel or whether he's he's going to stick with what what he did back with the Pelicans yeah and he came out of that spurs system cut his teeth under Gregg Popovich at a time when Popovich really before Popovich made made the transition to running a little bit more and having that beautiful game offensive back in the first decade or so of his career Popovich's were pounded into Tim Duncan and you know get back and play defense played two bigs together so I'm really interested to see how it works out there. I mean they definitely just needed some overall stability ability at that position. They've just had so much turnover with the amount of money that servers paid in the link contracts five years. Probably it's probably a five minus this one because that's the coaching contracts always reported as five years but usually there's a team option on the end of that doesn't get reports guessing. It's it's for years but no I mean they. I had to pay up to keep him in the Lakers if they're offering a similar deal what they're offering Tai Lue only offering three years to William so maybe that was what made the difference for him in the I'm sure they've committed to him and at least will be a chance for these guys to develop assistant plus. I got my Buddy Ricardo voice on the staff. Now how big man whisper so I think we we can assume that you know the Andrea and it's going to become the best defensive center basketball within a couple years here under a Ricardo's toodle question one thing is the actor is defense. Though that I think is underrated and yes I looked at the stats last night he had the worst field goal percentage allowed not at the rim among players to defend five-set shots per game but I think it's perimeter defender defense is pretty underrated. the note I risk their I well I I will say on a switch I think and and blitzing I think he's good when it's you know having to just retreat in pick and roll divas. Maybe you don't the category of parameter depending but I agree with you in terms of being able to switch but the question is whether he's I don't know if they have the personnel to deploy him that way. Then I totally agree with you there ah yeah I mean the big example to me. The the Suns beat the bucks two times last year which is kind of unbelievable when you think about it but the job he did on the honest for much the game was very impressive. I mean Jaanus is almost unguardable and De'andre certainly made it tough on yeah and not only you mentioned the Eh the rim protection stats but just blocking shots. You're not when you consider seven five wingspan or one of the more athletic centers that's been drafted. That's what got him drafted. the mobility that he has the things that stuck out to me is number one just not being able to get into position but what's kind of most discouraging about it is even when he's there somehow he manages to not have that much of an effect on the shot and you know what he does get blocked every once in a while. It looks really good but you guys just go up running whether it's just a lack of timing or recognition or whatever it is you know he's not like getting these like I'm going to get you up in the area over Sean home style like highlight Cya blocks into the seats but he's also just not able to really like get his chest in front of guys forced him to miss that way and also just like it seems like guys are just able to get the ball. Ronnie just doesn't have the timing to get his hand on the ball even when he's in position so I'm not sure the that is the kind of thing that necessarily can be improved. shot-blocking is somewhat of a raw skill that you just Kinda have because you have that timing you just have the hand eye coordination get your hand on the ball around the rim and so I think he's really has to focus more on the verticality aspect just getting his chest in front of and he's so strong two guys will bounce off him that seems to me what he really has to focus on and then also just the the conventional pick and roll defenses while again he has the raw skills via media but just gets caught out of position was not able to play that game to onto a letdown to pick and roll coverage where he's able to kind of stuck the gap between the ball handler and the Guy Rolling to the Rim and you know make it difficult on those guys. It's very easy to read him for the offensive player right now and and that's the frustrating thing because you look at them coming back to draft day. He's got all the tools he's got as much agility as anyone a seven one chiseled he should be a dominant defensive player at some point in the league but for other reasons you stay Obviously rookie wasn't the case last year yeah and I'm just I'm hard pressed to think of guys who woah struggled as much as he did who got to I mean maybe you could say average but it certainly to get to above average really like a difference making defender went again and I think some of his issues are just things that you can't necessarily prove we'll see him. He's got good coaching to do that A. in theory now so that should this this will be a good test but yeah I and if he gets to averaged defensively Yankee can be a pretty good offensive player whether he evolved beyond being a play Finisher Fisher or not it is very is going to be very interesting as well as you could really run stuff through him as opposed to one of the Best Pirot finishing bigs in the league and you'll get gets like some quick posts ups here and there whether it gets beyond that is GonNa be very interesting. Can he be a Karl. Anthony towns style offensive force a Yokich style where okay you put this guy on the floor and you have a good offense because he's out there is going to be more of a defendant guy and you know because that's what he has to be to justify that draft slot if if he is only going to get to average or below that defensively yeah for sure and I think one a part of that is the three point shooting that he's been working on quite a bit for whatever vert reason eager didn't want him to deploy last year wanted him to work on other things offensively late but I think if if he can also become a floor spacer in almost have a five now type of deal. I think that'll help him immensely but yeah you're right lots to improve with him yeah I'm interested to see how the three point shot it comes along because he shoots pretty flat ball good good natural touch could touch her on the rim a hook shots but he's Kinda got more of that rehashing Rehab. Humor is another guy like this. I mean there's a lot of guys like this enemy history where you know the way they shoot it flat it works better for fifteen feet seventeen feet which I think is another underrated aspect victims of his game on those face up jumpers but it's tough to extend that out to NBA three with that kind of Arkansas. I know something that the sun staff worked with him. Last last year was trying to get a little bit more arc those kind of one of his assignments going into the offseason so we'll see whether that has improved or not not Let's see here what else I wanna ask you about so Devon Booker obviously is another guy who did not play in team. USA Bill Simmons happy with that. I don't think that really matters one way or another night but it probably could it Houston gets it matters in that respect but what is the next step now now for booker you probably as Spain had to be happy with destroys that he made last year but it to really get to an all star level what remains for him I think the biggest thing is just a competing better on the defensive end. Obviously it's been one of the worst offenders in the league the last several years and and I've always thought that once the team was a little bit more competitive the effort level would go up and he would at least get to being around closer to average slightly below average defensively but offensively. He's really the full package of in twenty six and six last year in age twenty two season is something that only some of the best players ever have done honestly it's it's just only Lebron James and Oscar Robertson have gone for twenty six six and they're aged twenty two senior or younger being six assists per game of course and to me it's just the three point shooting and that was kind of surprising zing for a guy who's won a three point shootout seemingly with ease shot thirty two point six percent last year and he's just a lot better of a shooter than someone who should be shooting thirty two point six percent so if you feel that percentage can go up to say thirty eight percent and he still hitting the the two point shots at the same rate. I don't see any reason why he can't score thirty points per game so I guess that's kind of the two things that are the next level for me. Yeah the end just getting him. Some more opportunities indies for catching shoots. Absolutely I think it will be important and I mean the good thing about his game is that while the three point shot doesn't go in that much teams I do really respect him out there so that he is able to open up the rest of his game just due to his reputation any we'll take some pretty deep threes as well you know teams are we're going to go under on Devon Booker so he is able to really draw the defense it in that regard and the biggest thing to that I'd been wanting to see from him was that the team was actually better offensively with him on the floor and now certainly when he was off the floor as you have recognized their weaknesses were so ugly that you know they're the worst offense in and League by a mile when he was off the floor but he was actually able to drag this group up into semi competence with his floor raising ability so I'm very interested to see whether he starts looking like okay. This guy can be the best offensive player on a good team if I think he's got enough talent around him offensively elite as a supporting group now so that's a that's going to be what I'm watching pretty closely and then obviously the defensive numbers I mean those are just I mean it as good good as he was offensively you know he was worse defensively in a lot of the on-off metrics and I don't believe that that's the case. I think he's certainly as a positive. How's IT player overall but I mean it's been that way for basically every year of his career and it really just not that bad? It's just off ball. Help Defense Defense really just is not able to provide very much other than the occasional steel so has to get a lot better there. Maybe with a little bit less civil load that he could be helped with that this season yeah exactly I'm wondering modestly one of the biggest positive aspects of the Rubio signing could be taking off some some of the offensive load to let him a put a little bit more energy into defense because really when he was on the floor last year he was doing everything offensively creating shooting that that understandable that some of those defensive metrics would go down. How do you see Cam Johnson fitting into well? I guess we can start first. How did you feel about about the trade move down from six to eleven and pick up Johnson an charge and then how do you see Johnson fitting into this group Brandon Clark Truth Third Thought he would have been a really nice fit next to eight and so if that would have been the pick I would have absolutely loved that trade 'cause like I said earlier I think Charlotte is going to be a really important piece potentially a piece for the future? Obviously he'll be a restricted free agent next summer but I think he could be that long-term answer so that part of the trade totally fine with a Cam Johnson. Obviously nobody was expecting him to to go at eleven and so my initial reaction was a a bit flummoxed thing but I get now looking at the whole off-season what the sons did was try to improve their shooting. They were one of the worst three point shooting teams last cheer both in terms of threes made per game and three point field goal percentage and if they feel like he can be a three point shooting difference maker. It's still was probably a little a bit of a reach but it's one that I understand the question is where's he gonNA play defensively and that's the question that I don't have an answer to right now. He's probably can guard guard. NBA Threes but with so many threes in the floor and another player will get to I think McCulloch bridges is one of the certainly the third most important part of their a future right now. You still have uber who is going to log a lot of minutes at three. I just don't know exactly where the minutes are gonNA come from since I don't I think he can guard force yeah. I mean the and look to see what happens. There backup four is a little bit unsettled out they signed Frank Kaminsky yet to WHO a one year deal at the room exception with a second year team option which makes me like that deal a little bit more than I had those still Kaminsky is basically played lead welfare two months out of his career so I'm a little skeptical also is not a does that help their defensive problems that any of the four or five is I mean I guess with the Baynes trade a baby. They offered Sean Holmes similar contracting. You just wanted to go to Sacramento instead you know it would have been nice if they re signed him. After the resources they put in to get him originally but yeah I think maybe there could be some minutes there. It has lots of friends on the opponent as well between Uber. Aa and bridges and in Johnson. I guess it's hard to get all three of those guys on the floor at the same time unless you're just GONNA play a point guard or maybe you have that with the backup group a new day. We're going to get with those guys enough offense around Rubio or tyler. Johnson is the backup reporters off the floor that maybe that's a can the thought he had it is interesting to try and see where Cam Johnson is GonNa fit in because I share the same concerns about him. Defensively you mentioned Brandon Clark sacred embroil is someone I might have been interested in there but it seems like for the ninety seventh consecutive year you know they really want so who can contribute right away whether it's through free agency agency or the drought and other picked some young guys in the past but so yeah I was not a fan of that pick but I mean the the reality is even at number eleven. I think a lot of people overstate state the type of player that you're normally going to get there and so if he's any good done that to find pep. It's just a question whether you know if he's even a solid rotation player in couple years. There's nothing wrong with that. Pick and obviously shooting is at a premium with just high release at six nine me I. I do believe in his shooting ability so I. I'm not wording to shovel dirt on that pick. I think we're willing to shovel journeys. I thought they should just taking Kobe white accepts and just stayed there. See I actually disagree with you on that because I think this team really needed a veteran point guard to stabilize thing rookie point guards usually take a couple of years especially if they're not the very top tier of of rookie and this team just didn't have time to continue to wait. I know that sounds ridiculous. Since they're still projected to be Kinda does well that was my I thought the Rubio signed. Why didn't care for just like okay? Yeah you can stabilize things that get you to three two wins this year but like with this young group. What does it get you an MBA? I realized patients is now in short supply after what's likely to be a tenth year out of the playoffs but still I still think that you know that that's how you end that kind of thinking his what his head them staying not building something for the future and I was just an awesome. Maybe whites just gonNA suck. I've said that about about two teams. I said about brought Minnesota too so maybe he's not any good that was their evaluation but yeah yeah and I think just like again. It sounds ridiculous because they're not projected to make make the playoffs anywhere. I don't think the Rubio thing was like oh now now the sun's definitely making the playoffs. I think it's just getting to a level of competence. I mean winning Nineteen Games. Obviously in in the past tanking Devon Booker is never tasted winning how long until he asks out and how much can a guy like Rubio helped booker help Eytan and and really stabilized that point guard position so I don't think it's about I think that those types of things and getting some success success save winning winning thirty five games would be honestly an incredible year for where they've been so I think if Rubio can get them there and then next offseason you say okay hey. How can we really make that next step? I think that would be why that's important and why I didn't really care to draft a rookie point guard this year. Yeah I would have thought that maybe Tyler Tyler Johnson could be that stabilizing force to start next to to to start next to booker but yeah I I understand that thinking and you know perhaps getting into competent system. We're really helped booker in Aden and if they develop a Rubio helps them with that you know I think your your point is a good one but I think what's going to end up happening is that we're going to look at Rubio and a couple of years back behind the son's really need upgrade point guard and this was their chance to get someone. I'm one who I think has the town I think also just I really loved the fit of white next booker pushing the ball and also being able to shoot and having some defensive town again you know a rookie is not It's not gonNA help you win games this year but they already had tyler Johnson so I by fear is just like when you really have a chance for Booker and eight and to be ready to win two years from now you're going to look at the point guard position. They don't have anyone and they have no way to get anyone whereas white could have been ready at that point as well and they could have gone the veterans stopgap route route and also you know saved some money for the next couple of years as well by not spending seventeen million a year on Rubio so I didn't care for that so you are in favor of the Rubio saying that it sounds like yeah I am I mean. Is it a little bit too much money a little more than what I would liked sure but I feel like the sons were always he's going to have to overpay and you look at the free agent market like they were never getting camera. Obviously they were never getting Kyrie Irving so when you look at the actual point guards who were table I mean I suppose Saturday. ASCII might have been an interesting fit especially with what his contract it ended up being but I think that it was understandable and that was the a position to go all in on as much as three fifty one is going all in for the census offseason. Yeah I think I would prefer sadder and ski or or day on right right. I mean I think those guys give you don't have the same experiences Rubio but I think they give you. Maybe a little bit more defensively at this point in their careers and shooting it is probably I have the boulder between all three of those guys but with the price being lower than they wouldn't have had to make that deal for Josh Jackson related give up some assets as well to get off oftentimes they could still maintain Uber's capital and give him that deal anyone else you're thinking is going to be able to take a big step forward this year for this team. Yeah I think McKell bridges is the other guy somewhat overshadowed last year by all the losing and the fact that the number one overall pick on the roster but he quietly at a really really nice rookie season and his on defensive spectacular already one of the leaders in steals per game and I think he can become one of those really prototypical the three d. type players with perhaps a little bit more shot creation than he showed last year because he showed almost none so I think he's the guy who in your to I'd be looking to make a big leap and I really think that he is at least for now. That third piece in a future booker Eytan bridges a trio yeah I I liked what he was able to do. Offensively a I'm not quite as high on his defense is as you are wouldn't say I think he's very solid and key executes his a a smarter player than they've had in that position that defensive numbers for him were good is don't think he has the half's to really guards some of the best guys in the West. and I don't think his feet are like incredibly amazing as far as like pressuring the vice think he could be a solid defender there in shooter so that's your for where he was drafted. That's a solid solid piece to have anybody at the three position who can defend competently in shoot competently as an extremely valuable player. I don't quite see him as the defensive difference maker However Annette End Monday and I've been looking at I've been watching defensively so from disagreements are what makes us interesting so. I mean what impresses me what impresses me with bridges the way I've seen him just swipe the ball the way you'd expect the best player on a high school team to swipe wipe away from kids who don't know how to play basketball. You know he's he's doing that against James Harden so that's one of the things were see that he's already doing that kind of stuff as a rookie. I'm like okay okay. How good can you get defensively so but at the same time idea I do agree with you about the Haft? There were times when a a bigger player was on him and he just had absolutely no chance definitely needs to get stronger to be able to defend those types of things about Kelly oubre and his bit there I mean he he had had a pretty good run in terms of scoring and then got shut down with that thumb surgery at the enemy or are you thinking that he is also a long-term starter for this group or is this kind of more bridge that two year thirty million dollar contract and and we'll see he's got a d. I guess here's a better way to put it. Do you think he has to get a lot. Better are based on what he did in the suns uniform last year or do you think that you know he can really contribute to winning as early as this year. I think that a two the deal was perfect because I'm not sure two years thirty million Ghubrail it was a no-brainer bring him back because of for nothing else what he meant for the culture culture in his valley boys Hashtag that that he coined and everyone just really loved playing with him. I'm not sure refused the long-term starter because first of all I think McCall bridges is the long-term starter at the three. I don't think he's big enough to be your long term starter at the four either so I really like him right. Now is the sixth man to bring some energy and certainly looking at the sons bench right now. They need another creator. we've already talked about staggering staggering booker in Rubio but even top of that the bench is a lot of guys who shoot not a Lotta guys who create their own shot so I think having him be the offense. A fulcrum of the bench bench would be as best role for the next two years but I definitely needs to become a real real core piece. You'RE GONNA WANNA sign to his next contract probably probably needs to become a better shooter certainly needs to show more defensively again another guy who has some of the tools but hasn't put it all together on that end yeah and he's another guy the thought when he was drafted with that massive seven to wingspan and his athleticism was he could be a combo forward but he just hasn't redeveloped. He's been much much better in Washington used them a lot more on the ball. Even defending point guards and the hope is that he could play some four play alongside bridges but yeah it's kind of tough to see that in a you hope he can shoot it a little better but I think defensively loop it less gambling getting stronger. I mean the one of the issues that he had was getting posted up a lot last last year as well as they descend double team help automate he would just get put in the goal so whether it's getting tougher getting stronger defensively or than improving the shot to give you could do either either of those two things and maybe throw pass once in a while to their crab but yeah if you could do either of those two things then I think he could be a really valuable players and there's nothing wrong with that contract. I I agree. I think it's about the right length of time for guy is going to be twenty four. Maybe he can really take us up for to be part of the score or maybe they move on from him in a couple of years but he did show some flashes with this Yeah there's no question and I think the trade to bring him in. I mean trevor. Ariza clearly didn't want to be in Phoenix so I think getting a guy who can at least part of yeah no question at least be a party or team obviously half of last year and the next two years that was already a win over and that signing just inevitable healthy residing was kind of a disaster and so is the the Anderson trade although they at least got him to reduce his is guarantee a little bit but see i. I disagree with that because you look at what they were giving up. They didn't really give anything to get Anderson. You know they gave up. Oh Oh yeah no. I'm talking about purely just on the floor. You're in did it leave the team yeah Iraq I think both the Reza Reza and Anderson actually worked out out in that they're able to get guys who did exactly so that actually worked out well. I mean Anderson Those to get part of that was just to get get saved heat. Some money but Johnson is way better than Anderson right here so yeah that's the thing like even joked about the suns having one of the most expensive point guard duos but you know that was a sunk cost. The Brandon Knight contract was a disaster and they were able to turn that into a useful piece. Oh I think that was a nice job of upturning of a huge negative into a player. WHO's it's been productive for them yeah? I don't think they necessarily have any regression candidates on the maybe contains who was your you have no i. I Agree Korea. I mean they're only player not born in the nineties so he would be the player but it's it feels weird to say that for a guy who I'm actually excited about getting watch them a lot for this Australia run in the People World Cup and now I think he's the perfect guy to push aiden because eight and seemed to really respect the big physical centers Stephen Adams handed his lunch a few times and eight and seemed to learn a lot and respect the guy. I like that and I think that Baynes we'll have his ear so I think that was an important trade for this year and for how we can help Eytan and then to me. I don't know where this guy developed a three point stroke but I'm excited to see if he's GonNa shoot it a little bit more while I mean that's I mean he had a huge game against France in the World Cup. Philly fans are still in flashback years ago but yeah I mean. I don't know if it's like it doesn't look very good so maybe they were not excited to see it because the crazy form that he has a but if it goes it and could allow them the space the floor are at and I think Baines is just the exact model for what can help eight and get better taking charges moving his feet. I mean if you could put Aaron. Baines is brain ended Deandra Aden's body. You know you'd really have something there because Baynes you know just great at verticality. He's not worried about getting dunked on which is a great trait. Wait for a senator to have. He plays really physically so that I do think that he can help Phoenix get better defensively. It's just you know the question in is in Detroit you know Baynes really was not as good and he's in his early thirties now. He had the two best seasons of his career. I think in Boston yeah and but in a lesser defensive system with lesser talent around him you know he can kind of get traffic coned a little bit. He's not athletic enough to really cover the ground in Boston. Where selfish really getting funneled into amuse ill to be really effective so given the age and you know he also has a lot of trouble finishing on the pick and roll? He's not really a pick and roll threat at all wasn't asked to do that in Boston so I imagine like you're saying he's probably GonNa be more of a spot up shooter. We'll see whether that's really part of his game or not but I do worry that especially on that second unit unit that doesn't look like it has a ton of defense on it yeah that he could be exposed having to defend more in space than he did a boss yeah certainly a concern but I think overall he. I don't know how many minutes he's even gonNA play 'cause he's not going to be playing with Aidan and you'd expect eight and be playing. Maybe mid thirties minutes per game so I I'm. I'm very happy with him as the backup center but you're right there could certainly be some issues on the second unit. Yeah I thought that was good trade for for them. picking up tides wrote number twenty four and Baynes who I I mean he's basically in terms of salary right about the level of some of these guys who signed for the room exception like your Ed Davis Kevon looney those type of guys writer on there in terms of salary or only atom for one year he's also got a little bit more size than some of the Backups Cup centers who signed this off season. You know competitive like Anna's Cantor's replacement in Boston abso- and then to get number twenty four this year for that bucks pick next year which there's a year in the future and is probably going to be higher than twenty four and a draft. That's not really projected to be any better than this year that I thought that was a piece of business for them to take advantage of Boston's we need to cut salary of course then they also had to do the Josh Jackson Trae John Did a lot of the good for that because they took on the salary Baynes but in and of itself that those good move yeah. I think you know talking about some of the smaller moves the sons made and I think it's easy to nitpick some of the stuff obviously in terms of pure value the the Memphis Judge Jackson Anthony Mountain trade with sub optimal for the sun to say the least but I think if you look at this team and the whole it's much improved they they have a veterans like Rubio in Baynes and overall just their depth is a lot better and the last couple of years they they were relying on G. League players to play key roles like sometimes even starting point guard and you know the Minnesota Trade the Memphis trade the value he was always there but when you look big picture this team actually has NBA players to put around Booker in Asia now and that could be said the last few years now I agree with you. Are there I think so. Let's look at the the back court wing rotation player here and give you a few of the guys that we haven't talked about yet and maybe we could they are who do we think is gonNA play the most out of this group so of the guys who aren't necessarily established. NBA rotation players got giovane Carter who they picked up in in the Jacksonville Elliott Kobo tied Jerome Jalen Lecue and Cam Johnson so I put those guys in order for me in terms of who you think is GonNa play the most between Gene Carter Akobo Jerome mccue and Cam Johnson. I don't think Carter and a Kobo are gonNA play at all and I wouldn't be surprised if one of them was gone before the start of the season so those two are definitely at the bottom. The two rookie is I don't know about I could see them not playing much the first month month and a half but especially when in injuries inevitably come. I think they are going to get a chance so I'll go cam Johnson one jerome to who else do you have in that group a missing Lecue across across look you it feels like is essentially there is going to be there G. League shuttle guy and from what we we saw him in summer league I think he's incredibly intriguing. Almost physically a mini westbrook type obviously he wasn't drafted so he's nowhere are near an actual westbrook type of projection but he's the type of guy who high ceiling low-floor type of lottery pick that I'm really interested Dec- how he develops but I couldn't imagine expecting anything from him the series so I really think of those five of the two first round picks Cam Johnson Johnson ties Romar the only two with even a chance of playing this year so I'll go Cam Johnson one tiger up to you have real quickly if they do move on from Kobo. Would that be something mean that you'd support I mean they did Invest Thirty first picking him a you know a year and three months ago nate sadly I'm used to them. Investing top five five second round picks and moving on within a year or two so at this point again I would say is a sunk cost. There's so many guys ahead of them in the point so so you just didn't think he was any good enough to to to for you wanNA keep him around. I mean the Guy I would have preferred to keep Melton quite honestly because I thought he did at least have have that defensive mentality that I thought he could have been a good fit next to booker but now just looking at how many point guards they have acquired and where he is I I I'd be okay with moving from him. Yeah and I'll tell you what you said about Lecue. He really intrigued me as well. I thought his first step was blindingly fat and and that's something that you really at his jump shot is a very very raw at this point but hopefully that's something that they can improve for a with their G. League team what do you I think it's crunch time lineup for this group. I think it's GonNa be Rubio. Booker Bridges U-b-e-r in Aden and then Charlotte's depending on the match could being there for either bridges rubel yeah and maybe we'll see how if they need a little tougher maybe charge and charges a better shooter probably the new brand. Maybe maybe even bridges as well I worry about him in Eaton defensively to be sure but I'm not sure that you know putting Kelly oubre in that spot is surly going to help much either. We haven't mentioned Frank Kaminsky at all yeah. Where do you see him fitting as eager to play power forward? Is He going to be backup center. I think he's going to be the backup for again. I don't know exactly where all these minutes. You'RE GONNA come from and we get to Cam Johnson or it's really like where is he gonNA. Flake is it feels like Uber At least last year played a lot of minutes at the foresee figure that might happen again so between the three and the four it's there's there's GonNa be an odd man out so I feel like that could be Cam Johnson early but I think they signed Kaminsky expecting him to be that backup four and like what he brings his as floorspace or even if he doesn't bring a whole lot else yeah we'll end. I mean the balls gotta go in for your like really has not shot at well other than those last couple of months in his Charlotte career at that age where you wouldn't necessarily expect him to improve that much I think if it were me I would probably rather be trying to play Cam Johnson but more array of the four insulin backup units where you're not going up against like as May power units second units in general have gotten a lot smaller and if the other team does have big. Is there not as skilled where they're really going to hurt you inside so I would say Kaminsky maybe when Baines injured complacent five if you really need like a stretch element but I would I would start with the idea of having him being largely out of the rotation in trying to get minutes more Johnson. A new break is also kaminsky is is not necessarily a future type of piece of but just fit him in where you can cause. I just I'm not I'm not buying him as a solid rotation player what do you see the big strengths for this group now. This is gonNA sound weird for a team that was at the bottom of the league in three point shooting last year but I really think that that's what this offseason was all out. outside of Rubio was just by adding shooters with obviously Cam Johnson. Perhaps the best shooter in the draft drums a pretty good shooter. A Kaminsky is a shooter so I think that even Aron Baynes is sort of a shooter so you Oh of course Yeah Charlotte says should've mentioned him. I is probably all that a very much a shooter so I think they're going to be able to put a lineups. Were everybody. At least a threat is a three point shooter and that's it's not something that they've had in the past and I think that that's going to end up being one of their biggest strengths obviously with you'd expect Devon Booker a shooting more of what you'd expect from percentage wise after last year just thirty two percent yeah. I think that a and it's funny because a lot of these things that we're thinking about our are relative to where they've been yeah and I think they are for sure. GonNa take a step forward. This year. In the depth for example is just so much better right. I mean you're not much much relying on Josh Jackson and just complete. Nobody's at the point guard position. You're you're just you don't have these guys out there who are just clearly not not. NBA Players and not only not NBA players like Jackson who's just taking a ton of shots and actively hurting the team offensively and also can't shoot so he's acting guarded when he doesn't doesn't have the boy he he was just such a destructive player for them getting moving on for him. I think is definitely addition by subtraction so they do have a lot more death but still you know they have a lot of pieces. He's here that are kind of question marks like Johnson he's He's twenty three and he's the rookie and he can shoot but generally rookies just don't contribute and Tyler Johnson and Rubio the or pretty big injury risks and if Tiger Roma's to step in again another pretty polished rookie overall. I like him at number twenty four to eventually really develop into a a backup point guard but again that's a that's a question mark and Kaminsky at backup our Ford if that's the way it is. I'm not sure they're bridges. Riches again was a rookie last year but you're to say that he's going to be a starting quality a three. He's got to improve you more where he was last year. U-B-E-R again is another guy who has was kinda been on the fringes of star quality so I think if everyone takes us up for the depth can be an asset for them but I'm not quite willing to declare that a strength at the passing and we talked about yeah. I think looks looks pretty good anything else pop out to you again. That's relative to where it has been before but anything else pop shrink for these guys. It's it's tough nate. They've been at the bottom of the league offensively and defensively the last two years really so I agree with you about the depth and I think really just just the biggest thing could be how good of a big to our booker in Aden and just the offense that they're able to create for themselves and others you would hope would be the strength but with eight in particular remains to be seen if that'll be the case but I think that if if we're looking at best case scenario booker takes that next step eight and takes that next step and you're able to have a dynamic duo that you just can't guard one on one and the Fulcrum of the two of them would be that strength something that I would say could be strength. is pick and roll play now. aiden is a wonderful finisher. I know that the coaching staff was really trying to work gun with him on his technique. As far as when the role went to set the screen it making sure he set the screen low enough that the defense had to go over the screen but between Rubio and Devon Booker I think Eytan is such a good finisher if he can just clean up his technique a little bit as a screener a and I'm sure they're going to work with them hard on that he his raw tools and you know again. He was one of the finishers around the rim as a rookie that we've seen to the that puts pick and role-play could be something that they can hang their hat on yeah. There's no question that should be a strength to weaknesses. What do you see there well? I mean they've been bottomed three defensively three straight years so defense as a whole still certainly not going to be a strength and then last year they were last in the entire league in rebounding percentage manage. I don't know how much Frank Kaminsky is gonNA help that per se Aron Baynes probably should help that a little bit sharper. It's perhaps a little bit but I still expect them to be one of the worst teams teams and rebounding yeah and I mean it's just the defense could be a little bit better. They do have at least some competent defenders out out there some guys who have some tools but I still believe it when I'll see motion so I agree with you there. It's better just because it can't be much worse than htay. Take me better coudl regression to the mean made -actly yeah and the rebounding could be a little bit better but yet 'cause they've always been just so small at the four t dry Warren and Uber. Aa Bridges the Josh Jackson I mean those are the guys that are playing most their minutes at the four war which seems like a broader group but those guys are not quite the rebounders that you're Alfred Commute type Combo forwards are necessarily so yeah it'd be interesting to see whether Eytan eight and can take a step forward from a defensive rebounding standpoint as well but your other problem is when you're so bad defensively and you're allowing penetration even if you do force miss at the rim they're giving up shot types where the defense is scrambled where it's more difficult to rebound as well see I. I could see that being an issue. I'm concerned about health a little bit yeah with these guys in particular the departure of Aaron Nelson Now David Griffin who worked with him with the sons got him to go to the Pelicans. The sons had a pretty good health record. I'm just generally release skeptical of any organizational aspects with this team when they're trying to do something news I I don't know who they've gotten to replace him a but I am a little bit concerned there especially especially with guys like Johnson and Rubio as injury risks of Devon Booker F- has made it through. I think more than sixty five games in quite some time to to so my recollection as well some of those are like hand injuries which aren't necessarily on the medical staff so I I do other guys eight. Ninety is GONNA be buying vying charts like those guys have had major injuries but I'm a little concerned. They could take a step back there especially with the training staff turnover and you know I probably my biggest story at valley. The son's was on the training staff years ago and how incredible the job that Aaron Nelson in staff did so this certainly isn't manager Dick to them but Booker and Warren were hurt pretty much twenty games a year if not more the last three or four years you know so I mean they're they're not they're not guys have been consistently hurt and I don't know how much of that is ten a hamstring with booker concern and the lower back I mean he was missing games like a and it wasn't it seemed like he was always like on the cost of another entry entry or would have some soreness in that chain and so I have to get shut down again. It was an ongoing saga exactly so that's why I mean maybe if maybe a fresh perspective could could help but I think that's one of the biggest reasons why I was okay with Booker missing the Fiba World Cup at the flak he got for that that was kind of ridiculous. I would love to see him out there. Playing I thought it would have been beneficial but he's had so many of these injuries that lingered and that have really ruined seasons that ah he absolutely needs to come into training camp one hundred percent healthy all right now time we've all been waiting for start with a predicted record for or the Phoenix Suns a obviously there's GonNa be some variability around this where you can have locked where good or bad in close gains they can send you four or five wins it in either direction the more extreme cases but just in terms of the quality of this team. They're point differential thackery record. Where do you expect them to end up the season okay nate I you reference Kevin Pelton? RPM Projections earlier he does have them at thirty eight wins which was a bit surprising to me and then five thirty eight dot dot Com has the suns at thirty five wins here so I'm GonNa be optimistic as well and go thirty five and forty seven. I think that the talents been significantly upgraded did and I think that last year in particular the sons were better than nineteen when team clearly didn't show it but between the Booker Injuries Josh Jackson as as you noted it was a big addition by subtraction and just overall much better depth much better shooting. I'm going to go thirty five and forty seven so I still think they're going to be a bottom five defense and if that's the case it's you really have a ceiling on where you can get and I still don't see more more than I mean if they could get to be an average offense that would be a tremendous victory for this group given where they've been in yeah they have upgraded the shooting eating but they still have a lot of question marks there and we'll see you know again condemned because if you're going to get to being an average offense overall that means with booker on the floor you know you're probably getting pretty close to playing at a top ten level. I'm not quite sure that Devon Booker is the number one center drove that maybe you can get there but he'll have to take another step forward award to do that. In the ways that we talked about so I mean I still Kinda see this group as you know eighteenth to twentieth offense and bottom five defensively offensively and that kind of team yeah I think thirty five wins might be a little bit strong for that sort of a group I think and also it just seems seems like things always go wrong with the team and there's so much of a record of that. I can't say I'm a huge believer in Money Williams coaching especially to improve the a defense. There's just an overall instability organization. Maybe Williams will help that so to be significantly below you. I'm GonNa go with twenty. Eighty seven wins for this group but I think that's actually thought it'd be a major step forward. Were last year but it's just yeah I realize a lot of those pieces are gone. They brought in some other pieces that are competent but I still if you're defenses that bad. It's just really really hard to get into the thirties and wins plus. You have an elite offense which I don't think these guys will. Where where do you see them ranking an offense and defensive? What do you think of that project that I just said? I think that's interesting. I think that they could could be a top ten offense with booker on and I would say overall middle of the Path is where I expect them to be. I just think there's a lot more firepower on that end and and losing some of the negative pieces and really just the fact that you'll have competence to positions that you didn't have I think is gonNA improved them. Significantly defensively. I agree with you. I do think that's still certainly going to be an issue. Certainly still a bottom ten defense probably still a bottom five defense so I'm right with you there on on the defensive side but I think that they do have a little bit more juice offensively just having booker nate in there and now having another secondary playmaker with Rubio and the fact that you won't have such insufficient point bird play on the court for significant the amount of times as was the case the last two years at last year with Devon Booker on the floor negative six point nine net rating one fifteen on defense which which is was atrocious. WanNa wait offense which is close to League average competent I could see that number with booker on the floor. When I was was on the floor he had the best rating of anyone that was basically if negative five net rating so if they could even have like a negative five net rating overall you know that kind of puts them about where I'm projecting that which would be in the twenty seven to thirty win type of range and again that would just be such a step forward for teams overall rating last year was negative night and even with booker on the floor was negative seven so I'm a and again I just I can't believe that their defense could be good until I see more from eight and I I really am very worried about his ability to to be a defense ruining player? He has to get to where he's not that before he can get to be competent there so the and I'm not sure that money Williams is the guy to get them there in that system so yeah I think twenty seven seems about right to me but I do think they have some upside offensively defensively a I'm not sure so what if you have thirty five wins as your prediction. Where do you see it as best case scenario for these guys? Sorry I get a real quick small sample size theater for you here. We go okay so with in seventy six minutes. I know not very much at all with Tyler Johnson u-b-e-r booker originate on the floor hundred twenty points per hundred possessions so again I know seventy six minutes it doesn't matter at all but that was during the stretch where they were playing well. Were they went to Oakland beat golden state upbeat Milwaukee at home and having competent point guard on the floor with those other four players players they were at least able to show flashes last year. I'm not saying they're going to be anywhere near one twenty but that's just kind of where I think why think they could be a league average offense once you have tyler Johnson Rubio on the floor the whole time with with the booker and maybe tied Jerome Providing supporting minutes yeah and that that is the way at this prediction could go wrong for me is that I'm focusing on the guys who are still here saying hey here's what they do these guys but maybe the focus should be on the guys who aren't here or anymore at and who replaced them and maybe the those players who are still there didn't deserve the blame for what they've been these last couple of years and you you know it was on these guys who are just like frankly not. NBA Gaudy rotation players. Maybe and I am pricing that in picking him to win. You know eat more games than last year with their their nineteen last year right right and they earn that with their differential so I am pressing that in a little bit I'm just kind of hedging my bets between Hey. These are the sons and you know this is what they were last year and a art. They did make some improvements as well. So what do you see the best case scenario with these guys best best case scenario would be close to five hundred quite a bit optimistic but it would involve the you'd have to be a top ten offense. Essentially we agree that the defense isn't going to be terribly great needs shooters around the floor and the fact that you've got true professionals like Ricky Rubio Tyler Johnson Clang the minutes that terrible point guards playing a fact that Josh Jackson isn't there anymore. Mugabe takes a step forward eight and bridges take a step forward and they challenge for a playoff spot still probably don't get it but at least be playing competent basketball the whole season yes so give me a number of their forty one is that I'll go go to my spreadsheet hard number. I'll say forty forty okay I'll probably be right around where you are for a best case scenario abroad. Go the with thirty five because again I I think I mean it's tough for me to see these guys was a top ten overall offense again. Maybe there's some upside of the defense that I'm just not seeing I'm I'm skeptical there so I would say thirty five wins you know where you're the number twelve offense and you're the number twenty four defense. Yeah happen like that would be about how worst-case scenario. This seems dangerous because I'm sure when you asked me this last year I I know I wasn't at nineteen eighteen so I'll go with twenty five wins. More injuries like you said injuries certainly a concern especially with booker since he seems to Miss Fifteen to the twenty games every year and the team just doesn't have a rudder without them so Aidan doesn't develop still the same defensive issues Rubio's shooting struggles are a bigger bigger deal than I expect and twenty five wins certainly seems possible based on what we've seen the last few years yeah I'll I'll put it down at twenty one again with you. Uh when we do these were not saying oh you're player's GonNa miss the whole season but right when a guy like booker especially with him during that can recur Rubio has his own hamstring bring issues Tyler Johnson Noise Mrs Time and did again for significant portions of last season it and he's going to be playing hurt a fair amount so that's why I'd go twenty one because again there especially if an injury hits at the point guard position. We've seen what that can do to this group so yeah. That's that's where I go twenty one worst-case scenario all right eight. That's that's all we got here anything anything else that sticks out about this group is your overall feeling on the season before we go sure yeah I mean the big thing to me is booker's reputation nationally and obviously it's somewhat of a hot button issue on twitter the double teaming and a pickup game thing was the most ridiculous regular argument I've seen in a long time but thankfully I was on vacation happened. I was spared that it's a good thing but I just think that the the general public that's not watching the sun's. Every day doesn't see how good the sky is incredible shotmaker. He is how is creation nations skills of improved significantly since he came into the League and I think he's just a an obviously you win nineteen games right around twenty games every year. You're we're not going to be seen as too big of a star but I think that he's better than his national reputation and I think this might be the year that people start to see that a little a bit more yeah. It's really he's a fascinating case for evaluating basketball players and guys who put up stats are the are the best players years on bad teams are some of the most difficult to evaluate because there's a couple of ways you can look at number one is. Shouldn't you be driving this bad team. higher another way to look at it. It'd be like well. Hey if you actually were on a good team. Would you be able to change your game it and contribute more efficiently on that kind of team and and do more role players stopped it when you're trying to evaluate how good players which we do all the time we rank shooting guards. We rank the best young prospects of so. I'm really interested. We should watch his door open. The series his development last year was very encouraging but yeah hitting more threes and really on the defense event just not being a complete disaster a are the two things that he has to get better at this any continuing to improve as a pastor's big steps forward. He had the ball in his hands put up some Ross's numbers but he still does miss is passes through either because his passes are inaccurate or he just doesn't see guys and also just because his game overall is not. He's not GonNa just like attack the rim so so hard that helps me force. He still works in the mid range. He did a good job. Though of reducing his percentage of mid-range shots is post up also something he's really worked on a as well. The one thing that a an analytics guy told me that he does a really good job they measure the distance that guys travel from from the start of their posts up to where they released shop basically like how far are you able to back a guy down to get into good position before you release the shot. He had one of the best marks at that position Eytan. It was actually could have improved there by the way but that that's Kinda interesting so his post game is underrated as well could be another point especially with the shooting that they hope to have around in this year but yeah I'll certainly be monitoring him very closely. I might even watch US unscarred exciting just just getting since censor. I think there's only one a national TV if you don't count MBA TV so the the Nasima fans too many chances so I get that and I get that when you look at those win totals like you say that's just going to be what your perception is but I think he's got another another level that I would hope this would be the season it feels like he has more of a roster around him. Kim that could accentuate a strength certainly more so than the last few years and it really the biggest thing. I'd be watching this year Booker Eight. If those guys develop into two you all star level players than this franchise is on its way if they don't then they're stuck in the mud. I mean as much as we debate some of these ancillary moves. It really does all come down to with those two guys that yeah that's exactly right and a lot of debating was done on some of the sons ancillary moves in that's exactly how I feel. It's it's all on them now and I think that's that's kind of what this offseason set up that with with adding Baynes adding Rubio are they now have the supporting cast not to and not to be a playoff contender per se but to where they should be able to show themselves out a little bit more and I'd say to a lesser extent of bridges to it's now on those three great to see if the sons are gonNA eventually become one of those rising young teams or whether they're going to have to start over again I will thanks again for doing this. and Are you still working on the jump as I understand what you're taught yeah so so watch the jump you you're not a on there though clearly as this podcast shows you probably should be but you're a dude everything behind the scenes for them and obviously the jump is essential watching for for anyone anything else you wanted to talk about before we go here as far as doc promotions or anything like that I think that's about it all right well. 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"It's time to get up with Purdue and Tennessee and overtime thriller. Sweet Sixteen did one call the side the game. And did they get it? Right. We'll answer that right off the top. And then Duke back on the floor tonight after a close call on Sunday. Can they find a way past familiar and into the elite eight we've got to look ahead. And then Jalen, it's the Greek tweak. It's an ankle for the best player in the game. How bad is it? And how does it impact the race in the east? You've got questions. We've got answered I'm get up starting right now before we go any further we must extend our deepest sympathies to our friend, Mr. rose. So sorry. Michigan dollar ugly. My goodness. I'm feeling sad. And blue I see it. I feel your pain. You went from sake shots last night. The only shots anymore. Waiting all morning for that line. All morning, John. You will get that bracket. Let's begin with last night. Like these these in do in Tennessee in the Sweet Sixteen picking up in the second six minutes ago, we retired at sixty seven but not more Admiral Scofield willing along three Tennessee had been weight behind. They came all the way back onto three minutes to go back and forth. We go down one not be more. That's Ryan Klein with three next sentece possession Scofield again, a three again, that's it down. Again. He was twenty one Tennessee two point lead. Forty seconds do down three how good was Ryan Klein seven ten from three point ranks twenty seven points. Twelve seconds ago day Turner, no Williams. Yes. He would Twenty-one Genesee to what are they draw for Purdue under three seconds ago? Carson edwards. Nobody's fouled. Take. Another again keeps inbounds elevates. You. Tell me. Good bad kobylt. Talk about it a moment one way or another. He got three shots. He missed the first he made the second and third were tied. We're going to overtime and the OT with belong to the boilers Edwards driving to the home to his twenty nine per do survives in advances on the leading. They win in overtime. I I'm getting back to lead since two thousand I heard. I'm happy for myself. And I've ever my guys have coach paint. And you know, it's something that we definitely works really hard. And a lot of people counted us out at the beginning of the year. I just keep reaching that. And you know, we're we're just going on plain for there's lots be proud of even right now, it's hard to feel any of that. Because you're always known when this happens to you. And but again, Purdue credit biggest thing. Disease. You know, we we left this program winning four seniors. We let this program winning. That's the base we really came from the bottom and to make Sweet Sixteen dream, come true. Khaimah Balu short. Top to see it end like that. We'll talk about them. Carson edwards. Meanwhile continues dancing he escort ninety seven points. So far in the turn of third most through three games in the last twenty five years, you see the names Steph curry Jim for debt. We'll talk about the game in a moment. How about one Virginia take it on twelve seed Oregon's second half where we think it up game tied at forty five tied to Roan ruling three with three minutes and thirty eight seconds left thirteen points. No point having sports in Strom three and how did Andre hundred kids that wide open. He actually child guy. We're open the double team finding hunter for the bucket. Virginia wins at fifty three to forty nine. Tony Bennett is moving on. She was an amazing year. And then we got to the NCAA tournament, and that was so hard, and I knew this was going to be an important year for all of us in our lives. Whatever it brought I knew we needed to kind of band together and needed each other and to go through it and to respond up to this point the way they have in the regular season and then to get into the NCAA tournament and being that spot where we were down fourteen and fight, and then continue to advance that that stuff will stay with these guys. So again, very thankful, and you know, you just want an opportunity and here we are. Okay. So I don't know what your bracket looks like mine's a little bit busted. But anyway, Virginia and for to Purdue will meet in the elite eight on Saturday something only thirteen percent of people predicted ESPN's tournament challenge. Virginia last reach the final four nineteen Eighty-four and Purdue lasted so in nineteen eighty let's talk about the foul. Greenie back to the Tennessee game. It was a big one. And you kind of wonder a lot of people talked about jase. Should it have been called to? They get the call right in your opinion. No. I don't think they did. But it's not an egregious miss. I mean, the Carson kicked his leg out. And that's where the contact came from. So you could argue hey, you shouldn't be in the position of ever making contact with shooter. I don't think if it weren't put it this way. If it weren't called no official would have said that official made a mistake. No other official would have questioned a no call in that situation in my judgment. Now, the fact that it was called him. I, you know, up in arms about it. No. But it's pretty clear in referees. Should know that shooters. Kick their legs out in order to get that kind of contact and that is offense initiated contact. I'm on the side of protecting shooters. But when they kick a leg out, and that was not heavy duty contact. I mean, he wasn't even knocked off balance. He came back down in the same spot. He left from I wanna make it clear for anyone. It didn't see the game played decides the game. You cannot overstate the significance of the call shot doesn't go in Purdue is going to lose and Tennessee is going to go on to the elite eight if the call isn't made and the result is reversed. So it is as big a call as you can possibly make Jay did you think it was the right call? I thought it was right? Call the time. I just appreciate the gamesmanship. Right. And a lot of shooters do kick their legs out a lot of shooters. Don't have the whereabout at that particular moment to kick their leg out Carson at did that play was dead. He found a way to get open. The catch the ball. Now. The Monday Turner kind of lunged out. I think if Lamont attorney what more straight up said of lunging, I don't know if the rep mix that call, but I give way more credit. The Carson at words for putting up in the position. To make the call also reminded me of the shy Elliot play when he was on his tiptoes, and he almost was out of bounds. That's first foremost idea. However think it was a file I agree with the leg kick what they bumped hips. And once that happened, I think that's when you gotta make the call one way or another the call was made Purdue finds a way to win the game. And for those of us who watch a lot of big ten basketball. I mean, this is a remarkable story. What Purdue has done the conference didn't get enough? Attention this year. They didn't get any attention. This is a team that outside of Carson Edwards all of their players from last year graduated this was not supposed to be their season. And here they are one win away from the final four. I think the attention problem came mostly from their non conference schedule that early on the one up losing a game start of the season. Cincinnati got blown out and did not play well early on in the non conference. So they were under the radar for a good part of the season. But in the last month from February on they've been excellent defensively they've held their opponents of thirty eight percent from the field. That's second in the country in that time period only to Houston both. In the Sweet Sixteen now Purdue in the right, and let's talk about two weeks ago. Jay Williams yet. I sent you a text sound just how good is Carson Edwards at the next level. Because you watch this kid play. He has had a really int- college season. He's like a five eleven Derrick rose type player. Yeah. That's the kind of pacey plays with stylistically. And Jay's point about not people know who, you know, Purdue is I don't think a lot of people who are a lot of teams are on college basketball. Because Purdue is at one of those sexy objects. They're not as shiny object that everybody based into Ryan Klein last night. It was hotter than Cayenne pepper. Okay. I mean, literally they combined for fifty six of the team's points, just those two players alone. Then playing Virginia like Virginia's great defensively. I don't think Virginia's gonna be able to stop. Carson at words Virginia's gonna need to score to win that game. Clyde twenty two points in the second half. He never had twenty two points in a game before that just got insanely hotline as you mentioned seven threes. Here's how we're going to break this up here this morning, we're gonna look backwards and we're gonna look forwards at these games. So. We'll get to the west bracket games coming up a little later. But let's spin it forward now and look ahead to some of tonight's action in the eastern bracket. And that of course will be the team, maybe no one paid attention to produce. Because no one paid attention to anybody except for Duke Zayn Williamson, and certainly a lot of people hoping that the ride doesn't come to an end tonight against the team in Virginia Tech. They did beat them during the regular year albeit without Zion. So if we're gonna see Virginia Tech pull that off again tonight, I think it would be a pretty significant surprise Jay Bilas. How do they do it? How does it happen? They're gonna have to spread them out. And that's what Virginia Tech does very, well, they're very good three point shooting team. They've got Justin Robinson back there. Left-handed point guard. I think's the best point guard. They've had probably says Bimbo Coles. He's a terrific player. Still not completely healthy not one hundred percent. But back, and then they've got a big Jim Carrey black share that can pull opposing bigs away from the basket they can play through them. He's an excellent passer. They're more than capable of winning this game. They won earlier you mentioned Duke NEB Zion. They didn't have Justin Robinson. But they got. Keep Duke out of transition. Make it a half court game for dukes offense. If do gets up and down the floor turning them over and defensive rebounding and shooting out ripping and running then Duke wins. I think it could be a game. But I also think Duca win this game by fifteen to twenty points. And I think that Kerry black share because it is down which they play Kerry blacks. Here's the one guy that can't get him bowel trouble. They don't have the size at UCF have. Now that teams do have this is I think Michigan state has more of that size and L at sides. But of carry black shirt hits foul trouble. The you're not gonna have anybody. That's gonna stop Duke from tacking getting points in the pain leads the nation in points in the paint. And that's where his I Williamson company are Eric. That's where they have their field day. If carry black shirt gets in trouble, if they aren't making threes the game could be a rap Jalen has screen green coming up later on about dukes. We'll get to that a little bit later. Let's stay in the east region though in talk about Michigan state and LSU. You got two great point guards from water waters. Caches Winston who do you think's has the edge in that game? When you look at it. I'll give the edge to Michigan state. The only problem we have is Michigan state. Turn the ball over at times. And if they turn the ball over against LSU LSU super athletic, and they've got not only trauma waters, but Schuyler maize is is a fantastic player. He's one of the toughest players out. There makes bigshots huge shots against Maryland. I think the key is gonna be the glass if Michigan stake, it's offense of rebounds. Because LSU's not a great defensive rebounding team bind up the difference. But I wanna know after Michigan goes out last night. Jalen rose route four or again, never. Tonight with the banner conference to the. You guys Rupa Carolina. When goes out, I don't root. I'm a professional. Tom Izzo, but I'll never root for the Spartans to leave it here for the moment. We will have much more on the turn amount as we go. But it is a jam packed today. And I want to get you to the NBA game of at night last night. Jalen rose, clippers in his fascinating. And it is all as usual about because the clippers have been great. But no one has been better on your long than that. You can't stop them and change they should just watching finish around the rim. He's terrific around the basket. Greenie more points in the pay off dunks. By anyone since Shaquille O'Neal has done it in early two thousand that one the butts of seventeen now here we go getting the year. Also the versatility. This is a seven foot guy using Bolton hands cross it over two guards and lift the finish with four guys. Couldn't stop them there on stoppable. Here's the moment that gives you pause boxer fifteen watch running back up the floor. We're going to zoom in on this for you. Here. You will see Jaanus stepping foot of Garrett temple and down goes the Greek freak with the Greek tweak. He was scored thirty four nine boards five six bucks win. But none of that feels like the story. Now, the story is Janas limping off the decide he would stay on the bench for the rest of the game. Let's hear from them afterwards on the significance of the ankle. We'll just we'll of see how he feels tonight's feels tomorrow and. I think there's we talked about it before the game balancing our health his health with him playing well and feeling good going into the playoffs. So you know, it's hard to have both. But we certainly going to have that. The bugs have been the best team in the sport all year long. Despite the fact that they have been bitten significantly by the injury bug, Malcolm Brogdon out six to eight with a foot in the midst of a great season Merite chat with on Dante. Even Chen's was out for the season with a foot. This team has continued to play through all of this. But this is a loss. They could not overcome clearly be honest significantly hurt. Jalen, that's a wrap. No, no one that. But how do you think if it's you how are you handling him the rest of the way through the regular season? He definitely doesn't play the next game. Like one thing you gotta do what a great players protect them from themselves. And when he came out and say, I don't like to miss games as an organization. That's a rare flag to me that are I'm going to have to be more cautious on this situation. And the thing that continues to fascinate me about today's athlete they've gotten bigger they've gotten stronger, they're clearly more athletic with the shoes have gotten lower and lower. And so him wearing those Corta cut shoes as a seven. Player too. So very agile allows him the Billy to move and be quicker. But at the same time, it lends you to situations like this could you just expand on that for a minute because that's something I hadn't really thought about and I'm sure a lot in the audience. Also are not aware you're saying that the reason that they're going to the lower shoes as it gives him more flexibility. But it also leaves him more at risk to that kind of injury. Absolutely. Your ankle bone is exposed and every time that you get a chance to step on someone's foot verse think about somebody hurts the ankle would do they do they tie their shoes tighter? But if your shoe was lower that had no affect it will some stylistically happened with the game too. And I would say I think the most important thing for a walkie is not to thinking microcosm to think bigger picture this Clinton number one seat, you Clinton, everyone see and get healthy everybody in that training room from outcome broadening everybody back there, and I also think for the bigger picture for them to is. We saw him tweak his ankle that wasn't a turn UNLV. You saw that. I don't know if you saw that it was like barely. It was barely Tilton. Yeah. So that gives me I mean, that's that's something different for him. I think that's something to pay attention to going in the playoffs because that wasn't a big tweak at all. And they're just a couple of games from clinching number one team. So right, and you play them for the next couple of games you're saying and try to let him sit out four game. Get russia. You bring him backward game against the lower Ponant. You try to clinch the number one seed, that's the most important thing. But I'm just going back to ankle sprain. Again that this frame. This is not this Jay rose. We'd had so many springs into game. That's not a bad sprain for him to walk off the court that way something bigger with it first happened. I thought it was a foot injury. Didn't think it was an ankle injury. That's what I that's what made me relate. What I was saying about the shoes. So it's gonna be interesting to see what happens when he gets into Mara. What a shame for this team again in the city that is weighted what feels like forever. You're a chance I adopted them. Just because no one pays any attention to them and hear the other dropping huge record. Okay. We'll have more basketball as we go. But now something we have been. Looking forward to it. Feels like for the entirety of our lives. Tim kurkin ESPN. Oh, no. Links cout. He's got big. Here's and helps him stay back on those laws innings minus plate appearances from left-handed hitters with pants up. I'm four foot nothing. But I got the giant hands helps me on the basketball court by career is over. I could never go on television. Do I really sound like that? Delight walk. Nice to see I can't believe you're still playing that. After all these years more to it. Don't you hear and see view? It was the first guy that impersonated me. And I said tell me that you can impersonate others like Jack Nicholson, he goes, no, I really do. Bad and honor. Okay. Let's get to some storylines now that opening day is in the books. We're not just here to make fun of you wanna get your information ki L story line Harvard in quake it off to the debut. We was hoping for he went over three with two strikeouts. He was booed actually after the second strike out. That the Phillies did beat the Braves ten to four and Manny Machado. Also went hitless in his debut. Don't want over three with two strikeouts. The Padres one to nothing more on that game though. And what's real story was in a moment. Robinson Pinault got off to the start Mets fan. We're hoping for in his I bet homering to left center field off masters who actually had a nice day other than this giving. Jacob degrom all the run support. He needed the Mets beat the nationals. Tutu nothing and balls were flying out of the ballpark Dodger Stadium daughters. Hit eight home runs. The power was on display. Four off of former ushers add Greeky, Jack Petersen KiKi Hernandez each hit two of their own in the dodgers beat the Diamondbacks. Well. Two five and how about hobby bias to home runs for him on Thursday fresh off his career high of thirty four and twenty eighteen that's a search. You wanna see from him for five four RBI? The cubs beat the Rangers twelve to four. So let's start with Bryce Harper because everybody has the spotlight on him. What was he going to do in his debut? What are your thoughts seeing him debut in Philly? Well, he didn't get any hits. But people in Philly are so fired up, and they should be they needed to add a big bat in the middle of the order. He is still a great hitter. He is precisely what they needed. However, they upgraded tremendously before he showed up jeans skirt JT real Nuccio Andrew mccutchen the things they did in the bullpen. They were demonstrably better before they got Harper. I believe they're the most improved team in the National League. And I think with Harper there. They are a pennant contender when they simply weren't at the end of last year. And I think that's the most interesting division as we go into the season to study. Jacob degrom juice gets the contract extension, right? Before the season begins, and then he picks up right where he left off. Where do you see the Mets in there with the Braves and the Phillies and the national? Well, I see four contenders in the National League east. In fact, the hardest question answer is who's the fourth place team in the analysts because they could all finish first and all four those teams could finish fourth the Mets are right there. What they they're starting pitching. Is so good as we know. But they made so many upgrades to their offense which had to be done that I think they're right in the middle of it. But this is the reason why they're starting pitching. Jacob degrom had a historic season last year. He's arguably the best pitcher in the game at the moment. He was brilliant again yesterday, and he's had his Tommy John surgery. There's no reason that think he's not going to be great for the next five years, which is why they locked him up. And that starting pitching puts them right in the middle of this super-quick Laura brought it up over the Manny Machado. He didn't get any hits yesterday. But that might not have been the most interesting thing for San Diego, the guy lined up next to him is actually the big story there for NATO. Junior made the team. He's twenty years old six four he can fly. He's about the best prospect that we have in minor league baseball. And now in the big leagues he got a couple of hits yesterday. I saw him in spring training. And I love that the Padre said, we're not gonna worry about service time. And if relation we're going with our best players, and this is the best shortstop on our team making it clear, if they didn't if they waited twelve days to bring him up, then they would get another year control over him. But they're going for it. Right. And maybe it wasn't smart to do that. But they're telling their their fans we're trying to win now. Eight years old and eighty five days, it's a signal to the players in that clubhouse. I think and to the fans, and it's a great message to send in my mind. Major league baseball is back with us. All morning long. We've got a lot to do four weeks right now. You will know we're kinda Murray is playing in the NFL. But why wait our expert is it how's he knows what's going to happen? He will take you through all the biggest story lines as we approach the draft. And he is the of college bass. But Diane is the only star going tonight. We dive into basketball royalty tournament talk. As we roll out. It's on ESPN. 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Stream dot com slash get up. For more information. We are back on get back to last night's action in the NCAA tournament Florida state aimed Gonzaga zags but one scene turning defense into offense. Josh perkins. An eleven point lead. At halftime. Secondhand still holding that lead really tomorrow. No, Brandon Clark. Yes. Zags lead eleven again later, it's eight as they were holding lead most of the night, and it's more. Again, this time he will finish with the dunk elitist ten and this over three minutes to go. Once they got this as close as four, but would get no closes normal junior knocking down for three and Gonzaga survives and advances to the elite eight seventy to fifty eight mar let's talk. Minute man. It's a culture a winning and hell. Yeah. Older guys the younger guys. This is what you do against ACA you win. And there's also times and the game. Whether it's. In the first half when we're making a run or when somebody's making a run at us like Baylor did like, Florida state did the older guys. Sometimes they say something. And sometimes it's actions. Coach v will actually join us live in our next hour here and his team was relentless on the offensive glass scoring Florida state seventeen to four on second chance opportunities. Chuck thirty four percent on initial possession shots six of seven on second chance opportunities right now. Jalen, avert, your eyes. Jaylen I'm so sorry. But I have to do this. He'll take it onto Michigan. Then. You see that? You can six in the first half the worst boring have in school history the NCAA tournament Matthys trying to make something happen there. But it's stripped vide Moretti knocking down the three pointer on the other end Texas up sixteen points now just over five minutes left up by twenty one and that lay involved with contact and one Kover at twenty two point seven one win with his John. Really that good shouldn't define who. We were Saudi Washington was great to bring that up. I was really up. Bad day to have a bad day. I guess a really good Texas Tech team. We have a team yours. Best defense in America. Playing a best offense in America in Gonzaga. We'll see a lot of points on Saturday. It's gonna be a low scoring game. Yeah. I'm already kind of shake into thing about good. But I didn't know they were the best team offensively. But I got great respect for coach and their program as do everybody in our locker room. So, yeah, we'll have to guard at a high level because that's who we are always thought when you get to this tournament. Gotta be who you are. That's obviously who we are. And we're going to figure out a way scoring points to. So Texas tracking zag had beaten the lead on Saturdays. Something only seventeen percent of people predicted ESPN's tournament challenge. Texas Tech never has reached the final four Gonzaga looking for its second appearance in program history and this time yesterday, Jalen rose was much happier. He was talking about wanting love it wolverines. This is how he's dead. He'd be watching the game. The nine thirty nine correct. So around like nine twenty popcorn on stoke. Gotcha. Okay. Melting the butter doing all that sought little pepper seasons. Saw all of that. Hot Saki, putting it in a microwave covering it up a little bit going back and forth with it. And that's going to set the table. Okay. Now, depending on how the game goes more sake and door to drink may chain. What is a little softer a little hard now. How come? So you got a long night last night. So this is what happened according Twitter daily. Sake. Two straight shots. Take us inside the household last night watching that on fold. I I wanna give Texas Tech credit. But I ain't you know, are they that good? That's what I was thinking when I was watching the game because we only have sixteen points at halftime. So I'm eating my wings. I brought the leftovers I show them to you as my appetite. Okay. And then the sake was I was in joying it then they start making Bank shots from the corner. And all of a sudden not discovered this bottle to kill it. Palatable to me and. I just started drawing. My sorrows. And that's about as good. Let me turn your question. How much of that was great defense, Texas the great defensive team. Good. Good. Is that what happened? Michigan was awful. They shot one of nineteen from three they missed open shots. They turn the ball over like crazy, and it just it just fed on its own. And look Michigan was not a great offensive team all year long. They'd had some problems on the offense event, but their defense bailed him out, but in this game, everything went wrong. I think you heard John say, you know, we shouldn't be judged by this as to who we were all season. This wasn't who they were all season. But they were they were awful now, Texas Tex the best defensive team in the country. So you have to certainly give them credit. I wouldn't I wouldn't have expected for Michigan discourse seventy five points in this game. But getting held under fifty come on. Nobody's that good. But we've been talking about this all year, we always talk about our squad. And we've always been saying that it seems like Michigan misses that alpha. Iggy brass Dak Bryce tickets could be that a little bit. But you felt like Jordan pool could do more. Charles Matthews was had some injuries about the course of the year. You felt like he was going to explode. Nobody really took on the mantle of being that guy for that team. It was a couple of plays last. I don't know if we're gonna be able to show them that like really highlighted like who Texas Tech was versus how we were performing and we weren't making shots. But at the same time, they were all Hudson. This ball is hopping right now. Okay. And that was after off it's the revile uncontested layup basket in the fall we were behind the got. Now, you give up a good shot to get a great shot. And you go for steal you a second late, and they not got an open three. So I wanna give them credit. But I agree. That's the worst that I've seen John beeline coast team play in the NCAA tournament. And that's why we're going home. So disappointing in for Michigan team that went all the way to the finals that year ago talk quickly about Gonzaga. Now, they've been a little under the radar all year as they tend to be. But they were they were number one. Remember three for a period of time. They've got really good players. How does this team compared to the team that went to the championship game? If figures ago, do you think they're making another run like that? I do they're not quite as big. They were bigger back that Zach Collins. Karnowski? So they they were they had more size and fall this team is a little more athletic up front little quicker and with Brandon Clark there. I mean, look what they did to Florida state and Florida state's long athletic really deep out rebounded by nine. They dominated the paint area. And I thought their activity level defensively. They were fantastic thing won the game on defense. And usually aga- you think of them winning their game on when the games on offense. They won that game on defense. I was a really impressive performance a lot of people know Ryuhachi mar share, but Brandon Clark is making himself into a motto repaying. He's great. And I want to transition to tonight's games. Again. We're gonna both do review and preview because a lot of blue bloods on the floor tonight as we look ahead to the mid west region tonight, you get Carolina Auburn, which should be a hundred eighty degrees away for Michigan. Yes. In Texas Tech. Right. This game should be in the eighties. Maybe even the nineties and then Houston Kentucky. So we get all the blue bloods in action tonight. What is the key? For Auburn, Ken. They knock off the one seed in Carolina. It's one ten in a row over that stretch. They're making twelve threes game. So they're not going to have to increase. The tempo like they do with most teams try to get them playing faster. Carolina loves playing there. So not only do they have to shoot it. Well, which I think is a key. But they have got to rebound. Carolina's an excellent office of rebounding team. Auburn is not a great defensive rebounding team. So they allow second shots to North Carolina North Carolina's gonna beat them rose. Maybe the Scots dot enjoy this, rob. This one's a ride offensively. And I think we're North Carolina. Look, they try to beat you rebound basketball and points in transition, but they're going against Gars Jared Harper. I call him mighty mouse. He's about five score against anybody nation and then Bryce Brown. They can stop those two guys defensively that ain't North Carolina. Being a great position interesting thing during this ten games threats that they've had win. Harper struggle. Mccormick has come in and been quite good at the point guard for them to how Kentucky quickly they take on Houston. PJ Washington is he gonna play the not gonna play. What are you going to happen there? I know you're not a doctor if he plays in plays healthy at a high level they win if he doesn't they'll probably lose. I think the differences Kentucky's interior strength when they can throw the ball into redrafts BJ Washington together than I think Kentucky's better. But without PJ Washington. I think it's a it's a hard road. Yeah. Dr even say a Holiday Inn express some time Jay Washington a little bit late for that line. But I think if he can still play I think it's still have an advantage down though. I think that's where Kentucky has had their bread and butter the whole. A year. I think it comes down to their gar- play defensively. Young guards to get challenged last game. But they really met the challenge. I think they're those guards continue to improve reminder J will pick them to win it all jockey. Yeah. And so we'll see we could get those two blue bloods, matched up in the elite eight for the second time and just a short period number that great game. Carolina Kentucky played just a few years ago. Know, the reminder the women's championship continues tonight at seven you can see that on ESPN and to the NFL. We will go next the draft is on the way, we know Colin Murray, we'll go. Hi, four weeks from Now, Dan Orlovsky has a very bold prediction about another quarterback. It surprising. And it's coming next. Number one. I'm telling you. Happy Friday on get up. And let's run the floor with Jalen rose hardened dropped thirty eight points on the nuggets and Houston's one hundred twelve eighty five win have the rockets past Denver is the biggest threat to the warriors in the west. I've always felt the Denver Nuggets. Have a terrific have had. It's ridic- regular season. We have seen this group guys actually have playoff success. I always feel like the Houston Rockets. Hat would it to be the second team in the Western Conference to push the Golden State Warriors as we continue to run the floor big night for Joel Embiid with thirty nine points, thirteen rebounds in the seventy Sixers one twenty three to one ten win over the nets Philly now three games up for the third seed with seven to play how important should securing that three seed beef for the Sixers should be very important law. And also keeping Joel them be healthy plan with the hairband last night had a little comfort going knocking down his jump shot. Really facilitating in the half court. They are my choice to win the Eastern Conference this year. Tell Dwayne Wade and the heat victory. Aureus overdue convinced -i and the Mavs in the final meeting between the two future hall of famers, pretty special. Wade takes the all time head to head record eighteen seventeen. What's the lasting legacies for these stars? Not only champions at hall of famers, great ambassadors with a game. But I need to tell everybody secret. Dwayne Wade is doing a farewell tour and y'all giving Dirk affair Royal tour. All of these videos are saying about a dirt. He wanna kick it with Luca. He wanna play with Kristaps Porzingis. He want to play late in the season to get DMP's stand on a Dallas cowboy side aligned with the form off these things. I see Dirks cuter before it gets a statue in doubts there yet the Spurs retiring. Nobody's jersey last night. We Tim Duncan and Tony Parker. Among those on hand for the ceremony. Here's coach pop under nobly impact on the team. I had the word to stop going to do. Geez. Always. What do we need that? Why? This is what I do. I sit at home. I watched the draft. And we picked people that I've never heard of. Sitting there. Emmanuel Jin ability. We just. He's gonna be great. He's this. Okay. Whatever. Okay. Whatever. I love it. Okay. You played against my new and a lotta times he gets overshadowed by spurts legends like David Robinson, Tim Duncan. But how great was he gonna to say what everybody's thinking? I want to hang out retired him. Don't he looks like? I want to have been with you last night. And that would have been a whole. Clutch. Okay. He was disciplined he took chances. Like they talked about when you talk about the Spurs. They normally don't take risks. Everything is calculated. Okay. And also he was got a sacrifice Hooda team. Remember a lotta times he didn't start, but he always finished and in modern day. He's one of the first player. Those one of the best guys on his team that really wasn't considered a starter. And I think now players are more. Welcome to be reserved to start the game knowing that they're going to finish great sept- tail and let's get to the NFL with greeny. Absolutely. Because the NFL draft is now less than a month away. Dan Orlovsky is here with us. And he's got a variety of bold predictions. I have screened these I agree with every single one of them or laugh gate. What is I well? Your New York Jets get their ideal draft situation and someone comes up and trades at number three not for Dwayne Haskins. But for Houston defensive tackle at Oliver eight nine. This guy was in the conversation for the number one pick and for some people's eyes. He's fallen out of the top ten top fifteen not after yesterday yesterday's pro day four seven in his forty yard. Dash hit a four point two short shuttle that's faster than saquon Barkley. So there's a lot of teams they're going to look up to move up the Tampa Bay bucks. The New York Giants potentially move off to number three your jets trade out. And then you get a bunch of pick someone's going to drive that all the jets absolutely are open for business on that pick. So I agree with it. Whether it's the quarterback or not what's next the Washington Redskins are gonna draft Daniel Jones future quarterback. Don't forget last year. They got out Smith, and he's not going to be available in the future. But they liked Alex Smith because he's very intelligent. Daniel Jones is very intelligent doubt. Smith because he's great accuracy wise in the short intermediate passing game. Daniel Jones is great into the short intermediate passing game with his accuracy out. Smith is a good athlete. Daniel Jones is a very good athlete. So the Washington Redskins are going to draft. Daniel Jones do too. Their quarterback of the future. Little known fact angle Jones played on Jay Bilas basketball team once upon a time. But that's neither here nor there for this coaching. What's next? Indianapolis Colts become arguably the best team in AFC when they draft AG Brown. Ole miss a lot of love to Jay Metcalfe is teammate. But AJ Brown is the stronger receiver is the better resell. Andrew luck last year, his comeback with TY Hilton that that connection again, if you add AJ Brown who is in my opinion, juju Smith Schuster type player to this offense with Devon funchess. Now, he's a strong body receiver that offense becomes almost unstoppable. The colts could be the team to beat in the AFC going into next year. And finally, another quarterback lock it up. Drew lock is going to be a top ten draft pick. Listen when you watch drew lock state. There's so many things about his game that are intriguing, but it's just that because the offense at Missouri didn't necessarily ask him to do a lot. But you see the physical talents there. And there's a lot of examples that he's very bright player outside of Colin Murray. Drew lock is the most intriguing or. Wildcard draft prospect in this draft because there's so many aspects of his game that go that guy could be my French is if the brains match the talent he's going to be a top ten draft. What look historically we know the way this works is the quarterbacks always wind up moving up artificially or otherwise higher than we originally project. So we were talking about lock being there at seventeen for the giants. Now, you don't believe that's going to wind up happening. Why is Haskins? It feels to me like people are talking themselves out of Dwayne has gone through this process. You watch all this tape. What is it? You think that people are seeing that is concerning that I'm not seeing it. But here's the I don't know if it's necessarily concern with Dwayne Haskins because there's so much thing that you love a lot of people are kind of saying he's got so much NFL talent around him it receiver where it was. Mccall in or Paris Campbell or whatnot MacLaurin. So there's so much talent around the go. Okay. The other quarterbacks in this draft had that much talent. Would they had fifty touchdowns? And there's greenie there's a beauty in the unknown when it comes to the NFL, especially at the quarterback, right right now, you don't necessarily know what are these kids flaws are? And so you go we can we get past that stuff. I still like Haskins as a prospect, but teams are gonna fall in love because of Patrick Mahomes, and kind of the off-balance athletically type things that we've seen Matthew Stafford drew lock has a lot of that in his game counting down to the NFL draft. And we're also can and get down. Sportscenter tonight stern after PTI was sage and Jay Harris. They will look at the revenge factor for Duke and their game against about tech tonight is tonight's game against the patriots of must win for the Celtics and the best moments from opening day all that more sportscenter after PTI on ESPN and the ESPN app and gather everyone around the table for the Applebee's neighborhood top plays around everyone. Marlton all over. So that means it's time for marches Applebee's top plays. These are the neighborhoods plays and just get ready, folks. These are good we start with number ten, and this is going to be girls basketball state championship watch this five one senior Kelly Shire what a shot she's five foot one. She would score twenty nine points be named the game's MVP the championship game. She's going to play at high point university. She's five one terrific that she's able to knock down the shop on the perimeter life that I'm happy that they were using the shot clock. Yes. What is this? This is. Call it on Seinfeld. Racer? Frisbee golf. I call them the fastest known as MC beast. Okay. Which is a great name for a guy who plays frisbee golf. And what do you think that typical as good sport? Right. I never thrown. A it's called a disc, by the way, I can't even throw bright green green cultural. Look at this kid from the seat of his pants look at somebody got a. Alive. This is more basketball. How about the layup here he hits it off the inbounds pass at the buzzer though for the win. So that has a little more to it. I wanna stay championship. That kids going to Syracuse to play next year. Name is Joseph Gerard, the third. This is college beach volleyball. I want you to watch what's going to happen here. This is this is a legal watch. The foot. Take it. Why can't kick it? The done contest. That's a six to Taylor bully. What did they are you going to say it again? I never got the ball. And I fell on my face. I believe that number four. This is some high school hockey. You gotta watch this twice. So you see between the time. We're gonna show it to you again. It's a good hundred percent. This is in Canada or Minnesota. It's actually handed. It is. Okay. No. It's actually in California. Way off his club, lacrosse you. Probably see this because it went viral watch. Bye. With that play. Who are average? Was his name number two east E H, L hockey. This is in Atlanta. Great save from Sean Bonner of Atlanta. I'm this shouting out Atlanta as many times as well. Down. Maybe gladiators win good stuff right there. For number two. Finally, high school across in Georgia off the face off and watch behind the that goal that will soon. One. Three. How? It was made they had to practice that. All eyes on on Jalen rose. We'll tell you why he's not the player vortex needs to worry about get up continues in Jeff.

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"Sports gambling podcast is brought to you. By my bookie dot AG. The official online sports wick of the sports gambling podcasts. Use the promo code S. G P fifty for a fifty percent deposit bonus today. Welcome everyone to the sports game. We pack Sean stack in the money. Green with my partner and picks. Right. Real money. Kramer, shutout out the daylight savings shutout daylight savings vary unnecessarily early Todd cast for taping here, but Sean I need a full eight hours the work of my crop. Yes, daylight savings is fucking us. We're recording this early morning on a Sunday here as a bonus to you listeners. So the content train can keep chugging along targets more conference tournaments with Kobe AK, Dan debates, what's up call me happy March madness guys having March madness. Indeed, it did feel yesterday felt like a touch of the madness we got some madness. When South Dakota state was a heavy favorite in the summit got upset by the worst team in the summit. You know, what that was we use? We use them for our picture for the last parts. Right. That's right six what happens immediately immediately. They were. They were in our like just throw them all in apar- lay. Right. Yeah. Partly. Blown children. This is why you don't bet parlays also had Binghamton upset. Upset Stony Brook. I mean, you had something that really had me going. I just enjoyed watching college basketball yesterday was great youth soccer. It was supposed to be a full day. Use soccer all the games got cancelled. So why they can't it rained on Thursday in the fields were still wet. So go figure, but I got to watch Gus Johnson. Make very awesome trendy makes the world takes reference. Which led me down in internet? Rabbit hole of just watching old. Gus Johnson clips like the Kansas state Xavier game. Then I I had forgotten about that. So I posted the Adam Morrison game winner, I guess how long ago was that. Just ten ten maybe a little more again. Yeah. And that that was back when CBS had figuring it out, and it was Gus Johnson and Bill Raftery going together. So you had the excitement. So anyway this game winning shot. If you haven't watched the video head over that gambling podcast. It's it's just it's glorious. Gus Johnson loses mind you hear Bill Raftery in the background just going. It was it was unbelievable play CBS make that happen or give the tournaments of FOX and let FOX figure it out. So I trust the FOX will figure it out there using and Sean we'll use it touched on this before college basketball. They're using round ball rock. Yeah. They must that. What do you mean? No one's use it off. Hera up with Gus Johnson. Not a bad deal. Not a bad deal. Indeed. Okay. So we're going be getting to the conference tournaments here. Second. We've more important news, Sean, what is that the NFL? Oh, yeah. There you go. You always got to the NFL. No fence Koby kind of trumps everything. It is the sickest thing ever the National Football League. We just did a solid ten minutes unless five casts about in Tonio Brown, go into the bills. He most of listened to the podcast and done the math of holy shit. Sure. There some chicks with some giant butts in buffalo met. I I I'm not a wings guy. I'm not a deep snow guy Shawna. He heard you talk about if you're working in the end zone. You're not fit for buffalo took a personal. He took it personally just them. He said, you know, what I don't wanna play for a shitty team that plays in cold weather. I wanna play for shitty team that plays in slightly warmer weather, can you imagine in Tonio Brown in Las Vegas with John grin. What could go off specially with this pay raise he negotiated. I'm still a little puzzled on this. Like, why do they get ridicule Mak then I thought like because they want to but they're going pay into eighty one. Well, you gotta understand Jon Gruden doesn't give a fuck about. Steve clearly making that statement right there. But hey, I mean. I it's a good trade. I guess third and fifth. That's the part. I is this purely because of the amount of money that they could only get a third round in a fifth round that that surprised us is the NFL every every year, we talked to these we look at these trades ago. Oh my God. Can you believe they got a player for just the third and the fifth? I hear you there. But this this is also the part where we remind everyone that Trent Richardson was dealt for a first round pick. Oh, there are some badge trades on. He's got eight touchdowns in the. Two point four yards per carry, by the way, play the lock sound effects. We faded Trent Richardson. Ching anyway. But Sean, you even knowing what you know, you are still shocked by third fifth for an Tonio Brown right at that point. You were like in my eagles, grab them. No, not because he you're giving them all the guaranteed money. It's basically agent, and you got a little this this trade was he also be one of the best players in the NFL. Yeah. But he's a receiver. They still don't have a quarterback. They got rid of their best defensive player. They're going to be horrible. Get ahead. Amari cooper. Hold on his daring is there are sorry. David car around. He still thinks his brothers in the top five. Yeah. According to him is still a franchise quarterback. All right. No other. Well, since we talked Sean, and I said, well, at least they're not gonna trade alleviate Vernon. Alleviate Vernon which does retarded I'm fine with that trade. I'm absolutely fine with them getting rid of that contract and getting offense lineman. And I'm assuming the fact that you're silent right now makes me believe that it was also a good deal for the they got an offense of Lyman. I'll take this. Yeah. But they've just got rid of their two best defensive players. Well, all right now, you're getting ridiculous. It's one thing for you to tell me how great landing collinses after the fact a little be Vernon hasn't done a guy thing and all these people that are like well, look at all the left tackles yet again, go against I watched all the games. He's not a guy that excites I missed JP because at least he would make an explosive play from time to time. I have no problem with them. Getting grew getting rid of Olympia Vernon. That's that's my two cents. Here's the thing. Dave Gettleman falls in the Jon Gruden zone in the fact that since he did the trade is inherently a pad trade until proven otherwise fair. But. They brought in you know, a top notch guard. They now have a legitimate guard duo, which I can't remember the Lyles silly that still need some tackles, you they're getting their the hope is maybe now they draft. I don't know they're drafting hash back. This is difficult because they're drafting has why haven't they trade for Rosen yet? This is why are you going to keep alive at this is insane. We're in the Rosen thing, I thought you're on the case keenum thing, I'm on the we should probably get another quarterback somehow Sam Bradford he's he's out there. No, no Branford is not a fucking frame. You're gonna have to give up a one to get Brad. The case keenum was he knew the offense. He would million dollars cheap. The case for Rosen as he's on a rookie contract with the fifth year option, and you can get him for. Let's even say the second round. So no brainer. You go for Rosen. Couldn't believe you wanna keenum that bed. No, I want anyone that is the here not five million place to be a bottom ten quarterback. Here's the thing. Because I think you, you know, it would be much more interesting if they could slide in a quarterback and draft one more linemen and actually having offense slot. Thank you Lenny anyway, enough about the giants. What about your boy? Michael Bennett, the patriots. I liked him. I thought he was productive kind of a bummer didn't work out. But I just seemed like it was a money thing. Yeah. The stay up to save money. So they can sign someone like Tevin Coleman. He. No, they I mean if the eagles signed Tevin Coleman for any amount of money. This will be the greatest thing ever year. Sean shitting on the running back equity. Well, I wouldn't signed having Coleman. But at five million dollars a year. It's not it's not crazy. It's not you're not paying twenty five or thirty million dollars a year. Like, you're gonna be paying with saquon Barkley number to overpay. What's up pearls retired? No, he's still. He hasn't retired eagles taking a running back in the first round in there in a mock draft. They never do that. So I would be. I'm just fingers crossed because that would any any other football. Oh as we're recording late breaking news. The jets traded San Sam darnold, please. I'm just fucking. Kylo murray. Yeah, go he's going the cardinal. Sorry called me can pull shit man right now, take Gary Gilbert, you see my Gilbert better Sam darnold right now. Look at you monkey you you want it and last thing on football. The patriots looking looking to bring the band back together. Danny amendola now available as a free agent. Martellus Bennett wants to join his brother in in patriot land. I don't know jeeze Michael Bennett, not going to take a pay cut. That was my favorite part of that story. Yeah. He wanted to pay increase the I think the eagles. I think went to him and offered to restructure deal. The kind of guy it'd be like take money, bro. He said he said, no, thanks, in fact, I want more money and then so okay. Yeah. We give get right on that. We just get over to. Pen and paper here next to my cell phone, and you've been training. I'm good trade for the patriots. I don't know why the eagles gave him away. I don't think they gave him away. They did, you know get some drafted round pick. Maybe. But he's also he's also ten million dollars for a guy that's going to be a free agent next year. So I like how he Roseman who plans a head. Yeah. Looks ahead, and you know, gets put together Super Bowls. It's a solid move. He was an important part of that defense this show. He was but they're they let them go out the door talking to me. I think they'll use their first round pick or giving gave up a seventh round pick to make juicier for the patriots to take. I mean, generally when you trade with the patriots. It's bad move. Patriots of made some bad traits. Chad johnson. Signed him. How they've just they not Bill check than she is. Not amazing Bill. Check the coach is amaz-. It's a baby fucking wheel, man. So I am scrambling to find the pro football, focus, great. I'm Michael Bennett. While you're calculating that. Ryan. I'm going to pull up the sports gambling podcast grade of my bookie dot AG today. Plus, you know, why great customer service, easy deposits and withdrawals. Over a bitcoin. You want to get paid right? Mybookie dot AG helps you get paid live in game. Wagering all the college basketball action. You want NBA f Korean baseball's in there somewhere e sports. Political props celebrity stuff. My bookie dot G has it all. Cough. Course, he got golf EPL talion Siri, a whatever that is fraud. Slig- we won. I have no idea. Possibly possibly some form of soccer or some new weird gear paean sport. Whatever it is my book eve added you has you can bet on it. More importantly you can win play win. Get paid. Mybookie dot g s g p fifty for that fifty percent deposit bonus conference tournaments. Let's talk conference tournament. Sean take it away Kramer well away. We're we're in a bit of a pickle Coby. Coby paying attention to me because we need Kobe here. I'm here we have some tournaments starting on the on Monday. I guess potentially today. If you're listening to it today, we have no odds, call me. It's like the vortex of gambling has gone into a black hole. And there are zero odds out for this Big Sky tournament. We're talking about a one bid a one bid tournament. Right. Yep. Definitely the winners in everyone else gets to go home pack, their bags realize, they're in the fucking Big Sky tournament or in the Big Sky conference. I assume it's Montana or not. Buddy northern Colorado is not bad. But I would say Montana's the favourite northern Colorado play second and third of either we were state or eastern Washington. I'm looking at according to Ken palm. It would go Montana. Northern Colorado eastern, Washington Weeber state. That's what I said. Not in that order, but. Of these teams it, you know, we're talking about an eastern Washington team that's fourteen and seventeen overall plan better the second half of the season. Yeah. Okay. So is there any reason we again, we don't know the odds yet? But is there any reason for someone to take shot and someone of isn't Montana here? Yes. Because I think it was two games ago. You pull up Montana schedule. I think it was two games ago. They got upset by somebody in the conference. I believe it was does it not matter though, leave him was Sacramento. I'm just saying that they're capable to me beat. But I think mon- Montana went to the tournament last year. I would expect them to go. Again this year, they got that experience. And I also think we were states down right now. We've heard that I'm gonna I'm gonna makes it up. I'm gonna roll the dice on the northern Colorado bears. I like I like the fact that they can win on the road eleven and five away. It's kind of it's kind of clutch stuff you need from team to possibly get upset here and it just boring to take Montana. So gimme the northern Colorado bears where does Weaver state where do they have from Utah Utah? Who's from Weaver state, oh, boy, Damian Lillard Damian Lillard from Weber state gangster. Yeah. I'll go Montana or bust. The one thing I will say is that the Weaver state that the this is this is a conference Phil mostly I would say the two especially Colorado, Montana. They're slower teams we were state as a pace team. So if you're going to take a stab, maybe take a stab with one of those I'm gonna go with Montana to man, I've been up to Missoula. I liked this hippie college fans defense in this conference, though, that's. Now if you look at Ken palm every one of those teams averaging leading up one hundred points for game. They're adjusted defense everyone's mostly in the red Montana in northern Colorado being the only two teams that are even above average. That's what you need an above average team. That's again, we're talking about the Big Sky twenty-seventh overall with conferences. So we've probably ex we should expire our discussion on this conference because it's dog shit and are well, all right. So over under fifteen and a half for the seating. The winner of this conference. I'm thinking fifteen over. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Probably fifteen seed if it's Montana fifteen if it's not sixteen northern Colorado. Fifteen a MAC conference again. No odds, this is being played both at conference site sites. But also, I believe the final four are played in Cleveland. We've already had no we've already had the bracket laid out for us. We have they do a format where the top four teams get a by buffalo. Toledo bowling green. Kent state. Are those teams any any reason to look past those four teams? Yes, it was the dark horse coping well this conference actually probably the best. It's been twenty years. Really? Because I remember. Couple years who who is the kid on that Ohio team that was a little tiny tiny guy. But they think they got to the Sweet Sixteen to your. We're good. Was it a role? Boykin was it. No, it was it was after all. Anyway, the point being the MAC not too far off with the Football Conference. Does they show up? This is definitely going to be a multiple bid conference. How many bids will they get? Well, it depends. Like if you don't think they're going to get a second bid. Unfortunately, Kent state flash is going to be in it. Unfortunately, I don't think if if unless unless loses which I think is very possible. Buffalo lost. Buffalo was great at home all year, but they did lose two games on the road at northern Illinois and at bowling green this year. So I can see someone beating buffalo because this conference Toledo deserves to be. I mean, they're pretty they've been great all year. Bowling Green's been pretty good all year is a good conference going flashes. Good play. All right right now. The the MAC is a single bid conference according to Joe Leonardi, and I don't even see one of the teams from these conferences in the last eight out if it's because their strength schedule is that what Ken palm lake some notion Colby Ken palm has them as the number nine conference. It's a very good conference here, man. And that's why I think I I don't expect buffalo to win this tournament. Wow. Okay. I think so many statement gonna upset them buffalo, of course, from the eastern side of the conference. But I mean, look Toledo bowling green. Those would be the ones I mean, but you can find value in some like you can find value in Kent state. You can find value in Akron. You know, what I mean like, I don't I wouldn't bet on them to win the whole thing. But it's I would it wouldn't blow my mind cause they're good. They're good basketball me, I'm gonna try a long shot at Kent state. How do you win? How do you win these heavy when these games offense of rebounding with your leading? Oh boy leading the conference only offense. Now, again, I'm building a case for a long shot here. But I can't state leading the offense of offensive rebound in conference play and real quick. We should get let's throw a plug plug over to Ken palm on not paying us. But these these visuals the visualizations of especially for conference play the way that they show you overall. And then what what they are ranked in the conference. I find. A very useful tool, especially as someone who kind of popped parachutes into the season later, very useful tool. Kind of see the see where they are measured against their peers as well as overall I would say this about buffalo buffalo selfishly. I just want them to be in for March madness because they play a furious tempo. They're going to be no matter. What though if they? Oh. So there this is a two conference well there, and they lose the MAC will have to no matter. What? Well, this is a team that I'm going to circle as someone maybe a fourteen seed would we say fourteen potentially even even better higher. Yeah. Because this is a team if you look at their number their statistical profile and full disclosure Massenburg only seen highlights, but they have some of the things that you're looking for. They beat Arizona in the tournament last year. They have some of those things where they they're gonna. They're gonna handle the ball while they're gonna play fast. They know what they're doing. They're they're the team that's going to define the pace play a little chaotic and they're used to. It. So that's always a recipe for an upset. Come comp-. Should I right now? There are six seed. That's what I'm saying. Really good awesome. They beat Syracuse by double digits this year. So they're winning is easily. Then. Potentially. Like, I said look there some of their only losses came against northern Illinois and robo. Lose this conference. It's a better conference than you realize, man. What's your play? I'm gonna go with Toledo. Buffalo a six seed. Yeah. Wow. That good, dude. They are they really CJ Massenburg. He's going to be the NBA. What's their overall rank do, you know showing you got twenty five what's can palm got them for for rank here. Buffalo thought they were in the twenty s. I take that back from my my. Yeah. Buffalo auto auto win. I love this team together both going buffalo. No, no. I said Toledo. Sorry. Chun's not paying attention. You know, I'm, you know, engaging in the podcast. They are one of. And they are fifteenth in Ken palms experience metric, we love this tournament time. The the only red flag is they are one of the worst free throw shooting teams in the country. A lot a lot to think about here with these teams. Sean should we move on? Yeah. We spent a lot of time on the MAC, let's go to the Mia can even less relevant conference. So we're all about here, less rowboats. This is all about just taking shots at Colby because he's a fucking soccer mom when it comes to these small. Wow. This conference this year. This is a great. You know, what's funny is every everyone else in the world is talking about how this is top heavy season for college basketball, but the database is telling us how the mid majors are better than ever. I think they are the is the bombs thirty to thirty. I'm not talking about the me. But I would say I would say there are some teams in mid majors that are better than the average team coming out of a mid major. I still think the big ten in the ACC in the big twelve. I'll stop I think down ACC in the big ten are just they're at another AC's gonna have three fucking number one seeds potentially is is Regina gonna get past the first round. I don't. Yeah. Sure. All right. Let's talk about this knowing nothing about this conference. I'm hoping Virginia plays Norfolk state because Norfolk state that would be great. You you might remember a few years ago, they upset Missouri. A fifteen seed in they beat number two, Missouri. So Norfolk state, of course in the seven five seven, which is a hot a hotbed of talent in the Virginia Beach area. They are the ones he'd they have a buy along with NC central and NCAA t do do they have the drumline come out during halftime for these schools imagine. So yeah, I'm on man. I'm watching them EAC sit down and rewatch drumline, again, one of one of my favorite sport. Is that low key sports movie? Is that going should have got a mention there when we're doing smarts movies on Twitter. We'll see I will say this though Howard did upset Norfolk state earlier in the week. So that's that's what you want. You wanted to team? They just upset them. And then earlier in the week. They got revenge on their mind. Norfolk state is top three in conference offense efficiency conference defense efficieny well-rounded game. I'm gonna go talk to give me more, folks. Eight. Norfolk state plays defense they play off one of the few well rounded team, I'm all over Norfolk steak. Well, again, if you yeah, what do you think men, but guess what do you think they're conference? Odds would be my getting minus two hundred or we talk in more than that. I would say they're probably minus odds. I don't know how I don't think. This is one of those conferences where there's a clear like buffalo, and you really think they can get in and get a win here Koby in the first round. But I think I think they're athletic covering a double digits. Fred, maybe. Yeah. Do their fifteen seed projected to put it in perspective. Depending on how Ken palm has them at like two fifty and the next best team in the is three hundred two to ninety eight. So they. Substantial gap there, but you know, at the end of the day who gives a shit. I'm a little worried about my favorite college name out there. Maryland eastern shores with the play in game. They could take down Norfolk state. Let's move the Tuesday right before we do that. Okay. We're talking about March fricken madness here. 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You know what I mean? Came using technology. I still use a notebook when I write down. My my games for the we we appreciate you. We appreciate you a real quick before we get to the Tuesday games. We do have a ticket punched. And if you haven't watched it, you didn't watch any of them like a if you've never watched any Murray state, perhaps you should you should get into it. Because I don't know is this the guy that like they'll be already the tournament guy. They will definitely be overrated. Amc Papa Jones winter what? Jam Marantz just throwing down dunks left. And right Belmont might still get in at an at large bid real all those white kids. Looking sad. Couple of light skin black eyes. You could see there was something going on there. Anyway, I I'm hoping what seed will will Murray stay be. You know, should I see what Lynn already it's kind of unfair to say we have to pay for Kobe to go to the Joe Leonardi bracket tally class today teaches out of like, some Pennsylvania say what type of CD it because you don't know how the other conference are gonna shake down. What happens if Fresno state wins the mountain west, I hear you. But just gimme the database where what seed levels we looking at twelve. Yeah. I would think twelve till I could see my Virginia Tech coke. He's having a face off against Murray. State. Fuck this is the same thing has happened last year with Alabama and that who is the guard Sexton. I didn't wanna see a guy like that. You don't wanna see do that can actually handle the ball Monday Tuesday. Let's let's let. Tackle the ones. We don't have odds for I the sun belt Koby. We we have some actual teams here. Right. Yeah. Georgia states had a long history of being good and the NCAA tournament. We've definitely seen them do some damage, right? Yeah. And Lafayette's been hot of late. Now, they did choke last year. They were supposed to they're the one-seat last year in the conference tournament and they choked. So maybe they get some revenge. This year, Texas state's been solid, but they just fucked me yesterday. So fuck that Xs state leading the kaffirs in defensive efficiency, we don't even have a a bracket yet. But based on the way that it's set up here. They almost look like, they're a let's just give the better teams more buys format. According to Ken palm, we have Georgia state than Georgia Southern than Texas State than UT Arlington. And then after that, I'm guessing we don't need, maybe Louisiana. Yeah. I'm going. I'm going Georgia. Southern right. Top three defense top top three offense. In both do they also run the triple option basketball. They are fast paced team, they do play some offense very similar profile to Georgia state defense too. I mean keep in defenders fifty point two field goal percentage. Keeping games I'm going with Georgia state experience. They're gonna say before. Well, not only do they have the the tangible experience of being there before they also have. An experience advantage state is is in the top there. Twenty-ninth in Ken palm experience metrics metrics where Georgia Southern is more middle the road. Are you worried about Georgia state from the line Kobi could that be? Zeal. Yeah. Yeah. I am because. They've lost because of that. Yeah. There. She percent from the line tell you that most of these shit conference schools all shoot poorly from the line free-throw percentage two hundred and fifty in the country for Georgia Southern so not much better there, Sean. Yeah. But they're still better. Again, Georgia Southern we're talking about a whole bunch of rotten apples. You're going to get some you might get a worm in any of them. I don't know is that a thing. Confucius say let's move on. I'm taking I'm gonna continue to go Chok. I'm just going all chalk. And that's Georgia state. Then I'm going to save my upsets for the actual tournament. Yeah. I like Georgia state's Kobe's point. There's an experience thing there. They handle the ball. Well, you, you know. So I mean, we're going to get to this later in the week, Sean we have our March madness handicapping strategy. For that. But you know, I like teams that don't don't turn the ball over and turn the other team over Georgia state fix into that profile. I just you're right about the free throws. That's the scary part. So laying points might be scared them in the futures market. Maybe not so much. Let's talk about the S wack, which should we give Sean opera to tell us what this is played in Birmingham, Alabama. Give you all the clues. I can what is the what is this acronym. Stand for Sean. Let me see it stands or she don't she Birmingham. Alabama alabama. It's a little confusing. Because it's not actually. Yeah. I got it. Why are they planning this in Birmingham? Did I is this a copy and paste fail on my on my part? Actually. No, it's in Birmingham. Again, we don't have a bracket. We don't really care. This is going to get one team out. Anything you want to throw in here about the s y I mean, we're talking about number thirty two. So if the meek was the worst, this is the second worst. I mean, there is something to say here. Look, I know this team lost yesterday, Texas, southern but they did win at Baylor net organ this year. So it's too. It's a to school race, basically, maybe Graham is in their view prairie view. They don't turn the ball over the they put up some points. Yeah. Seven point seven per one hundred Cording to Ken palm. And yeah, they don't turn it overplayed number one in defensive efficiency while more. Do you want from a team, and they're called prairie view, which makes me think of prairie dog in it. So hopefully, but I'll say this man, just because Texas southern kind of a weird team. I don't know how they lose these games. But yet they win at Baylor net, Oregon. So if they got in they could be they've shown that they can hang with the big guys. These are the kind of schools that make me worried about my betting the first half owner in every game because Texas southern for example, they just go. Yeah. Number five and tempo in the country. They just go shoot a lot of threes. Two threes. They're actually a pretty pretty efficient offense all things considered considering they're gonna shit conference. But again, I'm I don't know if it will be chock, but let's go Texas, southern good luck with your prairie view pick a real college. Now. Goes Texas southern to just because of those winds that stands out to me got to keep it shock on the best school name-wise in here. Is Arkansas pine bluff? So just now come on prairie view AM. You don't even have no idea. What that means? It's it's the best name the conference. Why the pine bluff one makes me think of the the pine barren episode of the sopranos just running around the the anyway, let's talk about a real conference, Sean. Oh, ACC first of the big boys. Get started this is gonna tip off March twelve Tuesday. You're listening to this on Monday. That's tomorrow. If you're listening on Tuesday that's today. They're in Charlotte, North Carolina. No, no surprise there. They need to get this thing away from the the blue bloods and Carolina to seems unfair advantage. I think they didn't DC recently. Didn't didn't they do it in Brooklyn. I think they did that was even worse than idea. So I guess they've improved. The ACC is absolutely loaded. Again. No, we have for this conference. I take that back. Virginia the favourite plus when fifty two plus one seventy five North Carolina three to one after that. We have the second tier teams, which is Florida state and Virginia Tech which were still kind of in seeding order. And then after that it really starts drop off Louisville thirty one Syracuse, forty two one Clemson and NC state fifty to one and then a whole bunch of teams. We're not even going to mention because they are just astronomical prices. Any of these long shots have shot clemson's the team, right? Real quick. Coach cases scien- expected back for the tournament. Supposedly, I've really been enjoying tweeting. All this news about him playing for the Knicks. All this like, he's gonna come back dot dot dot for the Knicks. He's gonna play for the Knicks. You'll be ready for the tournament the playoffs. Twenty are we I mean, do do took some more shrapnel. They lost someone else with what an MC L sprain. Wasn't. Yep. In in general doesn't feel like the year. I mean Duke needs the state get healthy. Why would even why doesn't Duke just say fuck it and just tank NBA style. Wouldn't we be nice for Duke? I mean, you don't wanna end up a three though, do you? It's too does that really matter like, they they have they on their ads does think they lost to is to seed also lost VCU. They're capable of losing anyone. That's why they need a better seat. But in the past couple of weeks they've gotten their ass kicked twice by Carolina. And they lost my hokies. My hokies. They need to re they need to get it together. There's no real value to me. I mean, yes, I think they probably make it to the semi and loose, right? Like, I think they're gonna win the ACC two days out of your mind doing so things I had to come back giving the extra pep. They're going to get that rematch with North Carolina, and they're gonna it's hard to be team three times. So they do have. So the ACC works in the format where you've double by so Virginia, Florida state, Duke and North Carolina will be starting with the quarterfinals on March fourteenth. I think you actually going Carolina to me. This is the Carolina year where they win the tournament. They're playing great ball. We know that Virginia at some point Virginia's gonna have to play team like Carolina, and they're not gonna I know the narrative is over Jinya plays a lot better offense this year. They're a better team. Don't remember what happened in them last year? Fuck all that. I think they will forever struggle with teams like Carolina creative teams that can put the book the ball in the bucket, regardless how good the defenses and that I'm going to take outside of my hokies, which you know, Ken palm loves number eleven overall. I think that's because they play defense defend the three point line and hit threes there gaming the system a little bit. No, Justin Robinson. I think. Virginia Tech for the same reasons. Duke, like just take the I don't know if you need it right now, you're playing good ball. You need Justin Robinson back. Hopefully, he's back for the tournament. All of that being said the value in Syracuse, though is. Is is is pretty. Dog baby is clashing or circus. The long the Kimmy. Syracuse is one bay Heim rallies. This rallies the squad. A couple of big guys beat up on each other. You couldn't see them playing stifling defense all of a sudden stake in their way in I could. I mean Syracuse is circuses circus right there the same thing every year. I just don't this. Maybe isn't the year for them because there's a lot of numbers year for them. But there's a lot of teams in this conference this year that can really put the ball in the bucket from range. And that's how you beat Syracuse. Right. Like, even Virginia Tech, which not historic basketball program. They are horrible matchup for Syracuse this year. They have a big man who can put the ball on the floor, and they can shoot threes. And I think we have a lot of that in the ACC. So maybe Syracuse Syracuse one of those teams though, and this is always with them as the season goes on they become better and better because it's it's a system it's a complicated zone system. Where the more they can the more. They learn the more. They can do the more complicated. They can be for me if you're gonna. Take a shot outside the big three Florida state already in the quarter-finals. So I might buy a little Florida state and Virginia Tech and just like I feel like you can find value after that with twelve and fifteen to one for two one of those teams. One of those teams will most likely be in the semi finals. So that's my two cents. Right. I like Syracuse is the long show. Okay. Yeah. Same here. Syracuse is long shot and no-one on this podcast is talking about UVA. Ryan, I know you hate him. But I don't them. Them not strong enough. I should know that you NBC one the they moved along to another round. And and then when the stunning Stony Brook got upset so you going to get Binghamton and pretty much they're going to go play Vermont in the champion. Would wouldn't wouldn't it be great forget rematch? No, I I mean. Yes, if it happened again, but it won't happen again. And I throw this out to let Shawn finish his point about UVA UVA literally last place in division one college basketball at tempo three hundred and fifty third place. All right. That's too ugly. Give me get you ever. The great though NC but little sprinkle on cues longshot, forty two one. Are you kidding me? And I think the one kind of thing when I was starting to look at the good teams and where their weaknesses are surprisingly Virginia is not a team that's turning teams over. So that would be something. I would call out as you know, come tournament time. They're not they're not forcing. Anna turnovers. Another reason why like North Carolina here, you know, who is. A lot of turnovers defense turnover percentage. Twenty two point four leading the conference by nice margin. Second is North Carolina State number one. Syracuse get the turnovers fifty balls, and let me find something awesome. They do on offense. Okay. Well, whatever either way it's great team funder for and. Yeah, dude, I love just betting on Syracuse in the tournament. Syracuse Michigan state. It's easy money. Yeah. All day. These good coaches can whip these guys in the shape. This is when they show up early rounds in March madness and the conference tournament. That's when you play the March madness. I'm sure we'll mention a million times on short rest you love behind you love. Are you little bit worried? You know, he recently killed a guy. Yeah. But. This is the great thing about being a coaches. Hey, I'm looking forward to the next Hitler homicide. Okay. I'm not I'm not stuck thinking about the guy plaid, Dan. He's back behind the wheel for the Mexico. That was a sad story. That was really sad. He just Jim bay Heim ran over some guy. He's an old guy. Driving a nice gotta get these guys found out. He doesn't drink. But the guy the guy was like crossing the highway in the middle of Dante stallworth story. Well, except except they I wasn't coming from a club in Miami drunk and high he wasn't coming from a club or sure about gave him a Breathalyzer. And he says, I don't he doesn't drink at all. How old you think he is sixty eight seventy four jeeze he was born during world World War Two. Wow. Yeah. Saint some shit. All right. You think you can hang in the ACC conference tournament. He was hanging casts rations and Nazi air raid warnings. He has seen some here's a crazy thing. So if I were to tell you order these guys in terms of age. Jim boeheim coach K in ROY Williams. Well now that no bay age. I'm gonna say the oldest ROY Williams is is seventy four coach K is seventy seventy-two ROY Williams. His only sixty eight coach case. He he doesn't age baby. Fucking. He's got he's got a blood boy, Zion Williams, he recruited him. He got a little crazy too. Much blood cramped up your. The science fiction movies. It's always going on in the south where they have that slight accent. Like, they they have a basement of babies hooked up to machines down there. Here's the crazy thing of all this. I know what's going on Bobby Knight is only is seventy four or seventy eight. He's only four years old, buddy. Jo. But how? Yeah, I wouldn't. Thrown chairs. All right, guys. I think that about wraps it up for this bonus episode of these sports gambling pad gas. Thank you for participating in the Spurs game. And make sure you give Kobe Danta follow at the Kobe D. And of course, subscribe to the college experience also get in our bracket right now sports we back as dot com slash madness. Four sports game the podcast. I'm shawn. Stuck in the money green? And he is Ryan special shout out to Jay Bilas son who got the special treatment for me SPN to show him on senior night where he got the token come in at the end of the game and hit a three pointer. So congratulations Bilas, your son was a mostly failure, Kramer, let it.

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