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Justin Peters on Joshua Harris

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Justin Peters on Joshua Harris

"In the meantime the politics lord is with matt and andrew rappaport clark of the christian fun community. He brings up the <hes> about a year not inherit the kingdom of god so it is speaking about the afterlife yeah but that's the context of this is. This is a hard thing for you. James context the context says in verse sixteen but i say walk by the spirit and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh so this is how we live our life eamon that enters into a person and makes them do things is that do you believe we're puppets and god is just puppeteer that <hes> we would be able to go there and and that was a that was a blessing but <hes> without some of the donors we might not be able to to do that so all right. Jeff is going to try to come in next week. Maybe during the week jeff and i can work offline too so i will read cody's email now or question that he sent me justin <hes> so sorry. I'm gonna look that way because that's where the screen is and but here's here's his question he's got two of them and so he says question one. I have a young native american friend asking if it is wrong for him to participate in dances with his tribe doesn't does at different venues that just showcase native american heritage and tradition. Most of the dances were to petition deity rain dances or some kind of thanksgiving to address for successful hunt or asking for a successful hunt. I personally likened it to yoga that it. They are pagan ceremonies. Christian shouldn't be part of what you to say so just what do you think you know. He's he's a native of american. That's do wants to do native american dances that used to have the meaning of it being toured a deity. Can you practice that today. In different situations the situations yeah. I would say that would be problematic if if it is if these dances are in some someway connected to spiritual spiritual overtones connected pagan deities the rain god or you know whatever the crop ghader. I wonder if if there is a connection that yes that that would be wrong in. It's not that these gods little g of course it's not these our real. They're not <hes> but <hes> but they are connected to pagan notions of god's pagan gods anna hannah. Thank you see that principle laid out by the puzzle offers creations <unk>. I think it's very good parallel right here. <hes> <unk> read i corinthians ten the beginning about verse fourteen else's will lose nineteen. What do i mean the end that i think sacrificed to idols anything or that. An idol is anything so no. These items aren't real. There's you know no but a say things which thinned out gentile sacrifice they sacrificed to demons and not to god so it's not that these gods are real but <hes> anything that raises itself up as a deity is is demonic spire so the god may not be real but they're actually aren't demons behind these pages of shifts so if if there's a connection there in some spiritual sense i would say do not do it as a lever. Don't do it now if it's purely of if it's purely cultural like a i don't know you think of an example of i don't know like a a square dance at bluegrass festival. You know that would be kind of a cultural thing or a or a river dance guest from ireland. You know something that's just cultural. It's not it's not connected to any kind of spiritual since then. I don't think it would be a problem but but if there is that connection yeah i would say don't do it. I guess i would i think that <hes> i agree with you. You know i liken it to and you know that i have the background martial arts and in the early years of martial arts <hes> it it was was very much tied to at least some of the some of them were very tied to a religious type of thing and i think that when we have that when he has that connection to the to whatever it you know this that spiritual idea then i think we have to be a little bit more concerned but the karate started shifting and changing and nowadays people see it as exercise or self defense or you're just good to you know just i guess really the one of those <hes> into it doesn't have that spiritual component associated with it anymore. I think some of the issue cody you mention attention the yoga and yoga i think still has that spiritual connection that karate lost brazilian jiu to never for head it just saying there's it's not a spiritual component to that but what we end up seeing is that you know if it has that notion that there is a spiritual component to it. I think that then we have to identify it and say maybe stay away so that's how i would say i think maybe some of the native american dancing may be you find because people don't realize it's to a deity and it's lost that spiritual connection used to have and now it's just something people see as a traditional traditional dance of native americans so i wouldn't really be able to give one hundred percent answer only because i'm not familiar enough with the culture to know if it has that spiritual side to it so <hes> on is really would be a question for your friend to see how much of the people who are watching that dance or doing the dance think that there's a spiritual connection to it and if no one sees that it's there's any special connection. Maybe it's okay but i would be. I'd be careful and so <hes> his second question. Justin cody second question was what is a christian to do with a loved one on on life support or in a coma or nkhoma told by doctors. They will never come out of it. I don't believe steve. We have the right to take the life by pulling the plug and there's way too many stories of people coming coming out of these conditions. So what do you think about that one. Just him will after cathy. Take my wife that if i were if i ever am all life support. I'm just being kept alive by machines. <hes> in that it goes on i mean i. I don't want to stay there. You know i just take me off life support and if god wants me to with a wheel if not then i'll go to heaven so <hes>. I guess that's a decision that it's just left up to the family members <hes> me personally i would be kept alive on a breathing machine now if there was some reasonable hope for vaguely to recover. That's one thing but if it's you know if it's all the doctors pretty much agreed that it's just he just can be a life sport. Indefinitely that's only keeping alive and he's not aware you know. I'd rather go so it's just a family decision. I don't wanna. I don't wanna put my hands all the if that's something that's going on in your family. Now i wanna influence that other than just say if you know pray for the family members recovery and if if that does not appear to be happening suspicion artificially kept alive if it were me there i would want you out once you just let me go joint decided amongst your family members. I think you know my wife and i've talked about this as well and i think that what i notice is i think i would have a differing view depending who the family member is in other words. If it's if it's someone who is saved saved. I think let them you know let them go. <hes> remember first off one of the things we have to remember number. I think when we look at the premise of the question it is about the fact of there being artificially kept alive by technology and is it taking of the life to let nature take its course no words. The machine is what's keeping them alive. Are you actually actually killing them by unplugging them. We yes and no i mean it's it's not exactly the same only because had they not been on the machine. They wouldn't be alive. The machine is keeping them alive and so part of the thing that you have to work through. I think is the question of is this device. That's keeping them. Alive is it. Is it killing them by taking it off or is that that natural circle nature taking its course now if they're an unbeliever personally i i've said to my wife that if someone comes as an unbelievers was on <hes>. I think i would be more likely to want to see them. Stay alive as long as possible so that they they could repent. That's would be my position but if it's someone who's a believer hey i mean we'll see him. In heaven and heavens wtn's way better. Let them let them go buick christ. I mean that would be my position so i'm just added in vincent vincent mute yourself now. I know you're going to get this working because you helped me test this out so how'd royal gentlemen god bless vincent much so i am very glad that tomorrow friday that's all i can say so. You have any questions for us vincent north probably for for justin well. I only come on that so i don't really really know where y'all are on at the moment so well. Let's see we we were talking about. Josh were harris leaving the supposedly leaving the faith which he really didn't do we talked about we talked with a roman catholic traditional catholic so you know how that went that went just as usual usual y'all see that other singers response from skillet to the all these all dropping away eh an interesting reply yeah it was it was it was pretty good. I kinda doubt sit it. Was i've heard of skillet. I don't know anything anything about him. Up music's not not not exactly my kind of mute either but he makes a lot of good points he did and and i guess in a way i was gonna say this pleasantly surprised that he did it because i don't <unk> sorry but you know i've seen too much from contemporary christian music to have to go into a situation like that and and i give them the benefit of the doubt unfortunately most all all but most of these guys are pretty weak the logically but anyway but yeah from what i read. I thought that was pretty good so let me see we had a question in here. I don't know if you're going to want to answer sir. I'll be happy to someone's asking although i think they called you. Just teen edited added in there. So how are you identifying today there today. Just in today's i woke up feeling like command like every other single day of my life. It's it's motorol. What can i say. I'm just on a roll well. Maybe tomorrow feel like just eat okay so the question is what are your thoughts on discernment ministries especially service christie <hes> now you could just speak on discernment ministries if you want. I'll be happy to talk about joshua service christie tapie to let you talk about joshua. I'll say a little bit about a long story short. He i contacted me ye five or or so years ago and initially he seemed actually nice a teachable in humble but the more i talked to him. You got increasingly belligerent and increasingly off the rails. I mean just like to the point where he thinks. Pastors are on biblical typical preaching is unable. I mean it's just a looney tunes and anyway some of you probably know but he called me any trying to get me to condemn macarthur in unbeknownst to me. He's recording the phone. Call put it up on youtube and you you know i said nothing in that conversation that i'm ashamed of an is funny because a a month or two ago i was i went looked at it and i was reading the comments communists in the in the youtube in the comments section that youtube video it literally all of that i saw i'm sure there some that are not complimentary towards me but all the ones that that i read and i read a number of of or or in my favor so my my flesh is like <hes> the email oh josh <unk> <unk>. Thanks josh appreciate you. Put that up there. You know adopt. He's a he's one of these guys. That thinks that everybody on the planet is lost except him and <hes> he has a hyper hyper separatist he is he's angry in. Here's the main thing here's the ear spiel joshua he's got no church not member of a church russian in all of my critics without exception to the loudest and most vocal in angriest of the the critics that i get one thing they all have in common or members churches well and this is one of the things is you know i actually shing no joshua personally <hes> he. My first encounter with him was in new york city where he did. He came to new york city to do evangelism <hes>. He doesn't know the laws in new york so in new york women are allowed to be topless. It's something i can't stand <hes> and basically i. I know that when we do the open air <hes> you know they want to come over and display themselves and and you know so i had already talked to her basically called her out on her sin told her to stay away from us and we will just basically ignored ignored and not be calling her out but he did. He came up. He kept calling around. He kept calling the police because he thought it was wrong. She was topless and he's calling me an unbeliever ever because i won't condemn her not realizing i've already talked her but he doesn't take that into account and what ended up happening is. He ended up just basically what the police did is. They came and they only wanted to know who kept calling and they basically siklie. Turn my microphone off because they assumed it was. It was me or someone and you know he's. He's a very effeminate guy. <hes> he works works as as a like in a like a haircut or or something like that so he manages a hair salon. He's he in new york. He didn't have a church. He's never had a church that i know of. He doesn't think patches are biblical as you said one of his arguments. He's a hairdresser sir. He's he manages like he was a hairdresser. I think but he manages like a hair salon. At least that's what he did in new york okay yeah he <hes> but you know we had we had. I took him out to dinner. When i met him. We talked <hes>. I saw mmediately no church attendants <hes> he feels he's he's the only one that can really do discernment and everyone else has problems <hes> that you know he can spot in everybody. The real interesting thing is he has the this degrees of of connection so if john macarthur is <hes> speaks at a conference or friends with or whatever with a with piper piper has been at a conference with t._j. A._g. jake's that makes macarthur heretic in which case i said to him well. You and i've gone to dinner and know each other and i've been with macarthur so that makes you a heretic somehow. It doesn't work the same way when you when he supplied that way right and that's the thing i always find with these people. It's they have a double standard and that's what he has. I mean look he's picking apart people in and someone same joshua who it's the it's the guy service christie <hes> online by the way i should mention i mentioned in chat but bill bill was upset that someone was thinking that i was busting thing on bill for calling you just just seen. I was just busting on justin because i like to do that. You know it's kind of a habit part time hobby of mine to give just a hard time so has nothing to do with your your typing too quick but <hes> service christie is is you know he's he's got problems and the problems are he can't discern himself self. That's realistic. Scriptures really clear. Where would he should be doing. It should be attending a church and that's an issue anyone who doesn't attend church and they wanna do discernment. That's a real problem okay. I mean just just that. That should be the first question you ask anybody because a guy who who claims that they're doing discernment and they've so discern themselves out of church <hes> what he's doing is trying to build a platform from self <hes> and so that's what he's doing. He's he's trying to go out and you. He wants the bill all these connections of people so you can call everyone else a heretic and they're all wrong and he's right and it's a lot of click bait. It's a lot of oh look. Everyone wants to know how john macarthur's a heretic and justin peters is a heretic and everyone else's a heretic justin yoon. I've talked about this. One of the biggest biggest problems we see in discernment ministries is that they're not discerning especially about themselves about themselves yeah and in there there's very little accountability and not not all discernment ministries not at all but <hes> but some some over this way well i would say you you taught friel some of the best i mean your your ministry is a discernment ministry but i think you do it you. You guys do it. Where there's a line you guys won't cross but you guys are also tied to a local church very much so <hes> and yet you and i know some people who say they do discernment ministries <hes> josh was not the only one but we know others who you know don't they don't attend church. If there's no accountability in their life i do know some who claim they do and actually don't yes yeah. There's some who i i know some who claim that on sunday they'll go online and do church because they're out there online putting adding videos out or something or you know they're having church in their house with their family but but the reality is uh you know when you see someone. That's says they're doing discernment ministries and they don't have a church attendance. They don't have accountability in their life. That's where received problems yes. That's right and i would just say to a just to tag on that. I strive for for a guiding principle andrew. Anybody's <unk> the disarmament that do i strive for jude jude you <hes> versus two to three to kind of be my guiding principle and <hes> not to expose it this fully here don't have time but basically if you read you threw three says beloved wood in other words. I wanted to write to take you about are coming salvation. That's what he wanted to. I wanted to write to you about the gospel people but i felt it needful necessary to write to you to exhort you to earnestly contend for the faith once for all delivered sites for certain men of cramped in unawares unnoticed so in other words what judy was saying to his readers brothers. I would love nothing more than in to to right to you about the gospel. I would love nothing more than to write. You better consolation as wanted but it was necessary for me to do this. It's necessary for me the right to you to warn you about these false teachers so warning people about false teachers is good. It is necessary. Twenty six of the twenty ninety seven books in the new testament do warn us about false teachers but it is a task that even though it is necessary and even though we're commanded to do it it is is a task that should grieve us than it is necessary to do in the first place yeah and i'm trying to look up in philippians when i when i preach rich through that book <hes> you know there was a spot where would paul says in philippians is he's actually says to them. Breath basically when you when you are having to confront false teachers you should do with tears and that's that's what i don't see with a lot of these people who wanna do discernment ministries. They wanna make a name for themselves more than their concern for the lost <hes> i mean that's the thing when when and you get a guy like joshua like service christie you know he the issue i said with him as he thinks that you know i'm not i'm not saved yeah. I'm guilty of being a heretic because of my associations will then you should be sharing the gospel with me. You see an and that's not what he's doing. That tells me he's not concerned about. Oh my soul. You know see i'm concerned with where he's going to spend eternity because i look at his behavior. I looked at the back to what we're talking about. Glaciers five the walk of his life. He doesn't seem to have a concern for these people that he's discerning about and putting discernment in air quotes sir the the issue there that i see is he. He's just he's just goes. It's like he's gleeful. When he finds something he can call people out on and that's not the way we're supposed to behave exactly i mean some of these guys in he would be consulted example these guys it's like they would be disappointed if they go on morning and there was nobody to go after if you ever get to that point and this is something on guard myself against but if you ever get to the point where you would be disappointed needed if there's not somebody to go after or or people then you're a very dangerous place very dangerous place. I think i think the thing end up seeing with most discernment ministries a lot of them. At least what you end up seeing is they come in and what they do is they are they come in. Maybe even with a really really good thing maybe they they blow this story. Sorry and expose something that needs to be exposed and they get a name for himself and then maybe they break another story and it's like wow but then they gotta keep going once. They built that platform. It's like they want to keep that going. They want they want that to two so it's so then you have to start cutting corners because you have to find okay how do we how do we do this. Where it's you gotta keep finding someone to expose so we kind of cut corners and they they kind of said this and they really didn't mean this but we'll make it sound like they did type of thing and and then eventually they start making things up i mean it happens so many times. The of injury makes make things up because they got to keep it going. They gotta keep that platform building. They'll have click bait. They'll have all those sort of things that's not pleasing to god awed and they'll feel spiritual about it but i don't think it's biblical. I'm gonna keep looking <hes> so not according to you no and i'm going to keep looking for the verse philippians as we add john so john is back said john. If you have any questions for us tonight. Actually i did have a question. Thank you very much john. We're glad that you came in. Oh sorry just and we gotta give john a hard time because i mean we just do. I'm okay with it so joe. John was involved just in in trying and to get matt to buy me lunch he actually or dinner he tried he he he actually was involved in in that and if failed it did fail then glad it failed but i got to give him a hard time for one day. One day will will buy you lunch or dinner. So your question is john. I was listening to a <hes> a one year teaching andrew when it came to you said something about there's just one muslim guy who wrote a document and you call it q where the guy said the he tried to disprove that jesus never claimed to be got in the gospels and the the funny thing you mentioned about was the guy in before his chapter one yes. She said something about that. Ah this document doesn't really even. We don't even know if this document really even exist. Do you know what i'm talking about. I know exactly what you're talking about. As i pull my book what do we believe off the shelf so i can give you the the citations so so so q. did not start with a <hes> with the muslim q. is something that the liberals stands for coolum and it which means source german and so it is the just trying to figure you're the full title of the book but it's zealot the life and times of jesus of nazareth and it's by razor aslund now he he takes the same liberal view view that many others would do and say that there was a source document that you have basically she was the first gospel supposedly and then matthew or mark wrote off of queue and then matthew and <hes> luke basically took what more grote and expanded it and then john was a complete jones. Were they finally said okay. We look we have jesus god so it's it's like the idea that this embellishment had gone on now. The issue is we don't have any historical evidence that hugh ever existed. They've they've supposedly reconstructed instructed it because they have they start with the start with their conclusion that there was there must have been a document that mark got it from and so starting in with that as a starting point from there they end up building this whole thing up and so what they do is they take the gospels and try try to reconstruct what they think this document q. would have and build it from there. Okay so cue doesn't exist but and so in his book what he ends up doing is at the very beginning of his book he ends up saying that you know we don't have any historical evidence for key. We haven't found it but then the rest of his book is based on these this whole argument meant for the gospels not really being the gospels and you because of q you see. There's a problem there. If we don't have historical evidence we don't have any copies of anything improves q. actually existed and you build the whole thing saying that the gospels weren't really the gospels goals. They were embellishments. You're doing it based on a fairytale. It's something that doesn't exist okay. There was no cue and i believe i don't know where justice that that with this. We'll see if justin i agree on this one. I believe matthew was the first gospel. Okay people say mark because it's the shortest but i i think matthew would have been the first gospel because that's the gospel written to the jewish people and so that would have been needed earlier being written to jewish people people versus moore luke. That would have been written more for gentiles so that'd be my argument. How justin was shaking his head so he prays or is it well. Q. is just short for coa and co elem is a greek is a german word that means source and so the idea of it is came out of german liberalism and so they believe there was a source document for the gospels that was the real gospel both and argued the way they argue is that the real gospel doesn't teach that jesus is god that it would it would have taught jesus is just a man and so that's the argument but anytime i have anybody making an argument and they're basing it off of a document humint that we have no historical evidence that it ever existed like bigfoot yummy yeah. We'll know bigfoot exists. I met him. His name is ken cook. If you've ever seen him he he looks like bigfoot. Meanwhile justin justin just just texted me because he was looking up the document so here's the or the verse here's the verse i was looking for earlier philippians three eighteen for for many of whom i have often told you and now tell you even with tears walk his enemies of of the cross of christ. If you're gonna do discernment ministries that's the verse. You should have pressed into your mind that you're going to do it even with tears. Here's when you have to call out enemies of the gospel so all right. I will anything else john well. You mentioned earlier about mark. Being the first gospel possibly being written. You said the reason why some people say that is because it's a shortest. That's not much of an argument. I always thought it was the shortest because it was written primarily to the romans and how they like to read his quicken and to the point and that's basically what walmart did he went ahead and wrote it in a very concise you know yeah. I don't know if i might be. I don't know if that's why he wrote it in shorter but the reason that people say mark was i i is because of their starting point that the others embellished that there had to be one author one source that everyone embellished from and their argument argument would be that jesus was <hes> not god in the original but he later they argued he was god you know so basically <hes> <hes> so that's that's what <hes> what we ended up seeing and so really where we come down to it is we have to we have to recognize that. The gospels were all written without the need any of the others here. Here's a quick thing we're going to end up wrapping up the show. Sorry i came in late but but may join in next week but really think of it this way you have <hes> the democrat right conventions going on right in there having their debates. You don't have a single newspaper. You don't have the new york times saying okay. We're going to write the first i article and then the rest of you work off of what we said because would you end up. Seeing is the the washington post the new york times boston times. They're we're going to have different views of the same thing okay. They're all going to have a different articles after each debates. There's some similarities. Thirties and there are some differences with each one of them why they're all i witnesses to the event and that's the issue you're speaking when you look at the gospels you're looking <music> at at basically looking at the fact that we have <hes> i witness accounts of something that happened and and that's what's going on okay and so we're we're basically trying to. They're trying to say their hats. That has to be telephone game. It doesn't have to be. It's not the telephone game with newspapers after the after debates. It's not it doesn't work that way and so these are eyewitness accounts. That's all reporting so with that. We're going to close up because justin and i have to be have to join pastor jim osmond to start recording for the andrew rappaport rap report in one little take along thing. You can always throw in anything you want. Batman yeah it one of the arguments <hes> for q in in the gospel mork <unk> fewest resurrection appearances of the other of the of the gospels on john has the most mesa associates <unk> embellishment legend krypton oil that whole line of argumentation. This is thrown its head when you look at first commits an paul records by four <hes> the most number of resurrection appearances back christ in strength <unk> before the gospels his was the earliest record and so all that it's just it's it's it's liberal you know scholars up in their ivory towers trying to discredit the gospels with us very poor argumentation to will let me give you some i mean this is the thing folks don't know and and john you'll be familiar with this. You know as i went through the gospels looking for the references to deity christ both direct and indirect <hes> and i i ran the numbers okay of all the verses every time jesus read someone's mind and things like that those are those are things only god could do so. Here's the thing matthew the when you look at math you over forty. Five percent of matthew's gospel refers to christ as god for mark. It's forty six to forty seven percent okay so so they're basically the same. Luke is thirty nine percent in other words. If you wanna say that it was embellished luke is the the one that has the th the least number of direct and indirect references to the d._v._d. Christ now john overwhelmingly you know john is like sixty seven percent okay but what you end up seeing the pointing. Those numbers out is to say they try to make this case that mark being the shortest has the fewest references to the dea christ in the other two added onto it will the reality is that's not true. <hes> the reality is is that we end up seeing that that mark and and matthew have almost the same percentage wise in the number verses that they have and then luke actually has the least east and no one's arguing that luke is written. I saw just the thought we're gonna. We're gonna close up because <hes> i'm looking at this text between jim and justin and they're putting memes basically making fun of me for forgoing long so and i'm looking at he's he's got someone with braces at pointing like this justin's having fun all right so we're gonna have to close up of folks so they care. Thanks john so just again justin. I win dot com. Oh i like that justin. I win dot com. Thank you well we should we should put that up there. There we go just an dot com is where you could donate to justin peters and i get the bragging rights. Don't forget forget in the comments to put hashtag just an i win. When you donate to justin i would appreciate it all right so so with that. We're we're out of here till next week and for you guys to know next week we should be joined by vocab malone so if you have some questions about black hebrew israelites <hes> that <hes> that would be a good one for <hes> for us to join in <hes> so please come and check that out again this is put on when hosted by striving for attorney if you want to donate to us go to striving for turning dot o._r._g. Slash donate we could use your support and just in is going to be podcasting soon. We're waiting for the new website but <hes> we we have <hes> we're working being behind the scenes not just in some me and someone else we're working on getting off his old stuff ready to put onto the new new feed for him to get his podcast back back out there and so <hes> you know we will <hes> will be having that soon and katie is right. Andrew loves to embarrass justin austin. You're right there so thanks for for listening guys. I hope that this was helpful for you. For those who get frustrated traded with our traditional catholic friend understand that he needs to get saved understand that that we keep wanting to share the gospel with them and point out the differences that that he has in his catholic church and the gospel. That's by christ williams. If you're listening read the book of hebrews read the book hooks levers there you go and so <hes> so so when wants me invite service christie onto the show would be awesome. <hes> yeah no wouldn't he's. He's not the kinda guy that wants to listen and respect anyone else's view. He just wants to tell you what what he thinks. Everyone should believe you look. You're gonna say something to justin. You look like like you were gonna say something about service christie now. You look like you're gonna say something allows just because i don't know james is still yeah yeah. The book of hebrews hebrews to roman catholicism is like kryptonite superman but you're batman all right okay so we'll be back folks. If you want to check out more of justin i end pastor jim osmond osmond. Make sure to subscribe to andrew ref ports rap report podcast because we will have that we'll be discussing joshua harrison others who have pasta sized <hes> that will be what we have this week so check that out and we'll be back here next week. See then us all right well. Thank you guys we're going to we're going to close this down and then justin and i are going to jump over to another meeting so see all thank you very much. Allow you gotta get in earlier too. Sane see you guys.

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"Rep delia dish where we provide a quick hip according according to the ministry of striving for eternity. Would you like to go to israel well you can if you'd like to to join striving for eternity. We're going to be going to israel in march of twenty twenty. One cents a longtime away from the recording of this episode food but it is time for you to save money. If you want to go with us we will have the speakers at striving fraternity which includes pastor frank mullah's dr anthony silvestro the end myself andrew rappaport. We will also be joined by justin peters. We will be going for about twelve thirteen days. I think it's a thirteen day trip. We we'll be going to a lot of different places. We're going to start off right away. In tel aviv then we'll go to caesarea nazareth basically basically all of the sites you'd expect to see we will be at each of these sites being knowing having a guide from israel teaching us the history but we will also be doing demotions at these different spots with the different speakers from striving fraternity and justin peters now. I must tell you there's been a a lot of excitement about this trip and therefore it is filling up quickly so if you wanna make sure you get your spot you need to make sure you register as soon as you can so go to twenty twenty one israel trip dot com that is twenty twenty one israel trip dot com and there you can get the details about this trip. Registration will open very soon for the general public so make sure you go to twenty twenty one israel israel trip dot com. This podcast is part of his time before attorney administration for more content or to request a speaker seminar to your church attorney dot org.

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Apologetics Live with Justin Peters

Apologetics Live

2:00:21 hr | 1 year ago

Apologetics Live with Justin Peters

"The and why switch and and you rep Hort Clark of the Christian Fun it took right. I think we're live trying to set up. Started folks little bit different as you can tell Justin and I are in a hotel with this closer get get prevent some of that light. That's right above us. Probably not the best So folks let us know those in the chat let us know if you can hear us. Okay just because it's a little different setup being on the road as we are so hello if anyone wants to join just go to apologize live dot com to come in and and So you can join us and see rain. Just get going to send this over the the link over to Mr Slick if he wanted to join but we'll see so Justin Justin was For folks who are watching Okay good you here. So just is out here in Pennsylvania. Actually I kind of like this. I look bright and you look like yeah put this over here. Sorry folks in this is horrible to do. When it's live is play with the camera? That looks much better and I gotta make sure everybody start for having to adjust this all right all right so Rosie Grope says Hello Andrew Jackson just in from Vegas again getting rid of the mouse. 'cause that so So we were. We're in Carlisle Pennsylvania trying to just adjust this all right closer. We need Justin looking better. Okay so what if we do until until Anyone comes in with some questions if you have any questions if you have any questions For specifically eeyore were to faith eighth. Be a better topic would be good to ask that tonight but What I figured we would do until folks come in with questions and we? We may not go as long. So we'll see how how long we ended up going tonight just because it's been a long day and because of that oil someone needs to sleep. I don't know why I'm getting my second wind sleep much last night at all. Oh yeah the there is a noisy neighbor keeping him up pounding on the walls of the room. Wake up her so so I figure we. We could do Justin Let's talk a little bit about Thank you Fascinated by these notes. Not really this is what I could do. Is I actually put the notes right up there as people Comment and are more light on Justin with yeah dark. I don't know that there's anything we can do about that. Oh no worse. The the problem is there's a light right over the camera That's the problem. It's what happens when your mobile like this. In fact go back. Does it not not just okay. So so she'll you should come on in and join us as what you should do. Go Politics Live Dot Com. Hey Addison Abigail Abigail sorry. No that's goodwill low. Addison okay so so Danny was following us on online. So that we're at had dinner. We were Kinda rushed bit. I guess I should just announced that right. So we're we're sitting here. We had dinner. We're having some great fellowship. We were sitting with Chris arms in in the hotel lobby and I was the one that invited Chris to come back so we can hang out for a while and we're just kind of hanging out and all of a sudden I went. Oh we got the show to do like right now so I ran in here and that was a little bit A little bit busy. So let's talk about until folks folks come in with questions and again if you if you WANNA come in just go to apologize live Dot Com to get your task any questions. So what I WANNA do is talk about what the topic was tonight or today at the luncheon will start with that For Folks I. I think many of the folks will probably who you are. Where full mortar faith is in and what your ministry is but for folks who don't want you? Just explain briefly they the brilliance in the naming of your ministry and the forethought ahead ahead of Justin Peters ministries. I promise you that is a a lack of creativity apart not narcissism. I really what else to call it so if I put a little more thought into come up with something better but now it is what it is but what was the question. What I'm talking about today? Yeah well actually we've got some moment So we got a question. Did come in at least here from Facebook user. How would you respond to a pentecostal? That says towns is private prayer language. Yeah great question. Listen so I hear this a lot and I know a lot of people are very sincere when they say this that. I've heard a lot of people people say. Well I don't speak in tongues in church you know. I don't do it insurgence as something that undue privately between me the Lord of private prayer closet or you know kitchen table or wherever they like to pray and it's something between me and the Lord and understand understand you know that wouldn't be will say that they're very sincere. But but here's what I would say to. That is that that is not incongruence with the purpose purpose of the spiritual gifts. Why do we have spiritual gifts generally speaking what are they full? Well we we know from scripture that they are for the edification nation of the church the building of the body. They are not far our own private use K.. They're not for our own private use. If you have the gift of mercy for example do you go into your private prayer closet and just show yourself mercy you know no we laugh at that right. That's comical so don't exert ourselves and we don't join us it so so why do we carve out an exception for the gift of tongues. Why do we say okay? Well all of the other spiritual gifts for the education church but for this one that one. I'm using for myself. That's not why we have spiritual gifts that's not why they're given in. There's there's no harm notable reason to carve out an exception for the Gift Thompson it's just not in And there's no record of anyone in scripture orator testament praying to God and anything other than a human language which nowhere everyone prays Jesus included Braise in a human language a known language so Yeah no people very sincere when they say things like that but Sincerity is not the issue. Truth is we have to stick with scripture and we have to remember that a lot of A lot of Pagan Religions Mormons vacant. Some Mormons Bacon tongues a lot of Hindus speaking tongues even as Pew Muslims. Lonzo can believe it speaking tongues. There's a lot of pagan religions. It's bacon talks so it's not a uniquely Christian practice at least the charismatic expression expression of it is not this unintelligible extended gibberish which is not the genuine gift of languages. Okay so we got And for facebook users. If you go to apologize live dot com or even I think even in the nodes at all it. There's a link of how to get facebook to accept so we know your name but why won't Mike. Why won't Michael Brown will call out Tibetan? Why will Michael Brown call out todd? Bentley in in your your opinion why Michael Brown I guess it says why won't Michael Brown Todd won't won't call. Yeah that that's one of the for those of you may have seen my video. I did it you can go my. I did a video entitled my response ought to Michael Brown. Michael Brown wanted to debate me about physical healing. said he wanted to have a quote past oral discussion about physical healing and and the summation of my response was no. I cannot have a pastoral discussion about you with anything. When you won't call helped manifestly obvious charlatans and brazen heretics he? Michael Brown doesn't call these people now. He calls them her brother his brother he goes. Benny Hana's brother he calls Kenneth Copeland his brother in in even Todd Bentley he won't call out definitively he said in a statement that was recently released days ago that He's not qualified signed for ministry. But yet they the statement also said that Todd Bentley is gifted by God. Todd Bentley is not gifted by God. Todd Bentley Bentley is a wolf is a goat. He's he's lost. He's not gifted by God for anything he is. He is under the judgment of God. So in one of the more of a mature Christian is a discerning Christian in in quite honestly. I'm sorry if you can't tell like if you can't tell that someone as bad as todd gently as a false teacher then okay for folks. Don't know enough about Todd Bentley. You're just brief overview. What are some of the things that would cause type ben-ruby what should be so discerning? Thought wait you don't have to be very discerning about the bank todd. Bentley is one of the worst of the worst the worst. This is a guy who says that God told him into kicking elderly woman in the face of his biker. Boot this is a woman. This is a man who While this Lakeland revival that was going on back in two thousand and eight and this was the biggest thing in charismatic movement Bill Johnson endorsed Heidi Baker. John Arnott all Even Michael Brown the whole time the supposed revival is going on Bentley was drunk. He was having an affair with a female member of his staff even Hughes married and had children. It was discovered in rather than repent of his sin and go to his wife. He went ahead and divorced. His wife is his handicapped wife his wife his original wife Shona has no knee in her left leg her handsome surgery for anyway. It has no knee and probably didn't look real good for a faith healer to be married to get one well anyway He divorced her left after left. His kids married this adultress Management I mean. This is a guy who kicks people in the in kicks system literally in the stomach kicked a guy with colon cancer in the Gut. The guys the guy belongs in straightjacket. I mean he is manifestly evil in when you say mashes you've actually been close enough to him and you have a particular view with him that you don't have with all teachers. Yeah I think Todd Bentley's demon possessed. I genuinely believe I don't say you don't say about many people to that. I've ever heard the only do that. I believe are genuinely demon desolate than I would almost bet my soul on Tom Bentley in copland. I'm I'm just glad I wasn't listed. They're not into todd. Bentley and Kenneth Cope when I believe her actually demon possessed I. I don't think I don't think he's supposed prophet false teacher. But but time Bentley I believe is absolutely is and In in a statement statement came out Michael Brown just days ago about Todd Bentley said I have not endorsed todd. Bentley's since two thousand nine or this Lakeland revival. What's going on in two thousand eight and everything that I just said about him divorcing? His wife kicking elderly women and kicking and all this that was is known in two thousand eight. So it's a shame it is honest and it's an honor. Shame that Michael Brown is so lacking in discernment so profoundly lacking in the servant. Michelle says Thank you so much Mr Peter for your ministry. Lord used your ministry to deliver my family out of the charismatic chaos pres- vote so We have a facebook user. Ask The question. Where's the Sushi But that's okay because Noko radio. Our friend over there might even draw He he said he said the Sushi boy tonight so he he has the answer is Mike. Ross yeah well. That's that would be Noko radio myself. He must be watching on twitter. So let's See there was some other questions that we have as a Mike. You're a saga thing about the UH Tim. Keller that they almost made me laugh out tonight. Sir Douglas Well. I don't know what you're you're so you have to. I share with us. What am I do? Oh he had this picture of wealth. Tim Keller's over years ago. Had the male ballet the answers performance shirts really yeah. I didn't know that it is it is Keller. He's in New York all right so let's see There were some other questions that I did see. Come in Okay so Andrew S. how does Justin feel about the nominations that associate as reformed charismatic. Yeah reformed charismatic. Honestly I think that's kind of Oxy moronic term. I don't mean that as an insult I simply mean it as has it. They're they're they should be two mutually exclusive positions because one of the One of the pillars of the reformation was Solis critera scripture alone and the charismatic movement charismatic position by definition does not believe in Seoul whisker. Tura They do not believe that the scripture is sufficient because they get dreams envisions and God speaks to them and all this kind of stuff and so the Bible the you cannot hold to the care at the continuous position charismatic position and the and the sufficiency of scripture. At the same time they're mutually exclusive positions so You know I'm not saying that. All charismatics are awesome. That's not what I'm I'm saying but I am saying that you cannot hold to the charismatic position and the sufficiency of scripture at the same time they are mutually exclusive. You've positions it's like having a square circle it doesn't it doesn't exist can have it can make said did blessings brother he also said here to serve So we had Find I saw another question that popped up earlier. Danny's Danny said. Just would you say to those who claim Those who claim that those who follow the word of faith and New Apostolic Reformation or at least getting some type of typical doctrine. What I say? Those who claimed those who follow word visionary arguing Saddam's will anything start with this night and they take his question asked this because I think S. opening on it you have a view that Like Islam is less of a threat than were faith right but appeared Schwartzman spiritually speaking and then within word of faith. Like a guy like Benny Hinn. You'll say at least the Gospel goes out once in a while while with him. But there's others that there's no gospel at all and you make a distinction. Even there to say at least at least the Gospel could be heard even though it's you know even if it's a he's giving a whole bunch of false doctrine also sometimes give some biblical truth. So I think what this is saying hang is least if they're sitting under Benny Hinn. They're getting some sort of biblical truth so try to there. I think my guess is they're trying to justify you saying there is better than nothing. Yeah it but it's it's it's really not a couple of points I have no doubt that there have have been people saved listening to Benny Hen preached now before you think. Justin has gone off the deep end. I heard Benny Hinn present. The Gospel Gospel plenty well enough for God to call one of his own to himself now. Once that happens once someone does come to Christ. Let's say they were saved by Gospel by hemming not everything false teachers teachers fall. Some of it is right. You know broken clock is right twice a day so Benny Hen has has presented the Gospel plenty well enough for someone to hear. Respond get converted But once that happens in that person begins to grow in Christ. He's not going to continue to listen to Benny Hill. He's GonNa Leave Benny Hinn and he's GonNa go get some sound teaching from biblically. Qualified defied man. Oh now as far as humor not enter as far as well. It's better to listen to any hand. The nobody well no. It's it's not because my wife gave me this illustration one time. I thought was really helpful in every the area of life we want the best and we seek out the best right. We want the best mechanic to fix our car. We want the best plumber to fix our leaky zinc. We want the best dodger to give us medical care. We want the best dentist. You know we. We seek out people who are qualified in trained in their revealed expertise. Except when it comes to breaching it wouldn't comes to preaching when it comes to the nurse -ment of our eternal soul anybody you see how backwards that thinking is There is no area that we should be more careful in ban in preaching ban in the the the people to whom we listened for Biblical instruction. A man should be by the way but anyway yeah why why Compromise on that. We wouldn't compromise on anything else. Why do it there? Oh so everybody starts off as a baby Christian in. I know that there are a few baby very immature believers that would listen to a minivan or a Dolo stain or something like that. But here's the the old babies grow up babies. Don't stay babies. They always grow up and so as Christians began you. Start off as a baby Christian but you grow up and and you mature you progress at works and you do that. I made the screen brighter. That so I was denied. Answer your hope any answer you question how well the best way to do. It is to come on in go. Politics Live Dot Com and join in and then then we know the get. The answers A facebook user sorry He didn't allow string yard to use his name yet. So it says Justin. How would you respond to? If one doesn't speak in tongues they don't have the Holy Spirit we hear that being this versus non actually believing this. He's just because they saying. How do you response on thinking that but we do hear that a lot? We hear people that say. If you don't th that the tongues I actually was online facebook this week. Debating this with someone. That was saying that. That Tung's is these sign that you're baptized presently spirit yes just false it's just not a biblical position at all When a person gets saved he is in and dwelt by the Holy Spirit of God? When when you got converted you got all the Holy Spirit you're ever GonNa get you? Don't get part of the Holy Spirit you don't get a third of him at conversion Asian and then you work your way up. The rest of God gives the spirit without measure so when we when we are saying we are. We are baptized. I urged by the Holy Spirit into the body of Christ in we have the person of the Holy Spirit residing within us who aluminum meaning of scripture sanctifies us helps us to understand and obey scripture in thereby we grow in the grace knowledge or Christ so the is just a Pantley on biblical thing to say well. If you don't speak in tongues you don't have the spirit. Well I don't have a spirit. I'm not saying I mean that's about a life if you'll have so much that you don't have a Holy Spirit then you're not saved when I think the way they come to this. Is they start to say that Baptism Holy Spirit. They see this at at the time had the gift of tongues and that's tied with baptism spirit in the book of Acts Right which is transition transition book and we the other times where people get saved and there aren't. There's no speaking in tongues there. Where some of them will do is they say? The only sign of backseat spirit is speaking in tongues. Some of them will see infra. SPRINTING's twelve thirteen words has were all baptized into one spirit. So they save. We're not not if we don't have the tongues than we don't have the spirit of the spirit we're not saved. That's the way they would argue it. But there's actually nothing it says that the gift of tongues is the sign of the baptismal spirit at something. They interject in fact the whole the whole chapter of that. Paul Paul argues in first. Corinthians twelve is to say we don't all have the same gift so we shouldn't all have the same gift of speaking in tongues that were appointed to give turns owns is. We don't have this yet and so So let's see Joe April gas to get done. That's pointing spiritual gift. I don't sort that. We don't all have gift. Yes he says. Hey guys thanks for all you do. When's the next time you to come to Nicaragua? So have you been to Nick C. I.. Joel I haven't been so I I really can't say when the next time is by. Ken Say this. If you invite us we'll come and that's how that then. That would be the next time. Our Book Australia wonderful trip brothers. Good food to the joint. It wasn't the Indian food. No Okay my stomach. It's not strong enough to know my mine either mine either Sushi. I'm good with Sushi. I could do Okay Al from New Jersey Guy Gets a New Jersey folks you know giving shadows to Out Says Oh. That's one when we asked him. How do you answer those out to different percents question okay? Well his question was how do you answer those whose who would say if you don't speak in tongues Tung's who not baptism Actually is little different question but it was answered in their previous one so Let's see and so folks if you WanNa come in Dan and join us. That is the best way then. We actually get to dialogue with So here's someone that just says a l. says to you this. This is from a youtube Thank you Mr Peters. You had helped me too much when I got out a handing out L.. Bibles I talked to people about you and your ministry. I always pray for you and your family thank you Are Recognized Ella from twitter. Beckmann I used to be on twitter the self-imposed ban that you're on that you're not allowed so so the joke is I posted posted a video that just put out and someone came after. Meet saying that somehow me posting. His video was a violation his self-imposed twitter ban. which if it self-imposed he can come back anytime he wants? I don't I just not sure We gotTA shout out from from the bar. The BAR PODCAST Wayne Domains right there watching on facebook. What's noticing you g three? We're going to see him and g through also see Andy Lonski. He's going to be a drillers He says hi guys Randy asked the question. Any any thoughts on Perry stone seems people hang on his every word end prophecy here in West Virginia. Yeah Yeah period. Stone is another veith health and wealth prosperity preacher is not as quite as overt with the prosperity aspect of it as are some among others but it is there in fact I would say it's even it's becoming more pronounced as teaching up. Say He's big on scatology you know. That's his thing Israel and Cataldi and all that but you know it ended really. That's neither here nor there because he's faith and if you're teaching faith doctrine and Juju not qualified. Were you got against Jews bed. Do what's up with that kind of you uh-huh so yeah Barry Stone's been at news UNGAVA. Bizarre video of alone came out a few months ago him getting my heart always speaking in tongues while he was checking his off screws. Oh that was. That's why he's he's like Oh yeah he's got his phone and he's like you know a Homina homina praise. Brady's Brady's Brady's like just texting away. New Shirt there. Justin I win Dot Com. And that's nice that that showed up nicely Hey Bobby this is where the quote we asked question. Where's bobby he says? Hey Justin Andrew we miss you and the Fil A.. Hey this is fun. Bobby Bobby is for folks. Who Don't know we're in the Philippines? Being Bobby was the guy that was helping during the conference and and it's like every time you turned around there was bobby if he was just always everywhere. Hobbies Barnabus everywhere. Yeah Yeah what a good good brother brother of man. I Miss You guys in the Philippines. I know they they call the I. I got a call from Pester Armand when it was New Year's for them so as is like middle of the day for us and we were actually trying to get on a flight or getting back from forget what it was and they they were they had called and Eh to to what. Let's watch a fireworks in the Philippines twelve hours before we sit here as a great trip. In fact I wrote about our trip. Some in My newsletter it's going to be coming out here shortly. She says okay. What is the difference in prophecy and fortune telling That the palm readers do don't judge I've been around both yeah I'm not sure I've ever been asked the question quite like that but How others of yeah? There's there's really not much difference what we should do. Hey I'm just a good anthony. Say Hi to apologetic live. You had addressed into Justin. How are you doing well? How about you good? You should just come into politics as long as you can join us back from orientation at a at a sports club join. So we're not allowed to say that on the air anymore come on Gun Gun Gun gun anymore. I'll give you give you go with the show's over and you should have some more sales where I was at last weekend's I talked to some people that have been devastated. Their families devastated by the they are and So we spend time talking to them and to to buy yourself a DVD To pause and stuff so hopefully they'll they'll get it and help help their families. Well thank you brother. I hope that that's the case. Pray that it is just for anybody listening. I have a standing policy if you need my resources and cannot afford them. Let me know email me you know. I had seen you one for free so so I can afford them. Don't don't be trying to get me free. DVD You're not. You're not in the but well well. Anthony might disagree. Heads is what happens live. Show you call. You're going to end up on. Her case has two topics tonight. We'll talk about you once we hang up now that we know you can't watch live all right good but I anthony so she question. What is the difference between promising fortune telling that the raiders are very little very little so it's a distinction without a real difference In in fact a lot of what. These so-called prophets do is what's called cold reading psychics psychics. Do the same thing you know. Sylvia Brown and I guess Miss Cleo or whatever you know some of these people they go up to somebody and you can ask general questions. Postions that abroad enough and you can key in on some of the things that people say their body language and you can make some educated guesses and then you say oh it will so and so you start making these kind of general statements and you big bullies cues and at an actually sounds like you have some pipeline of some secret knowledge. When is that's not it at all? Just picking up on cues and language and you know making educated guesses from eh so there's really not much difference there there. The gift of prophecy since a foretelling the future is not an operation today so facebook user. Anything is giving you a warning here Spin US keep up the good work justin but keep an eye out for Andrew. Can't can't trust any of those Jersey types unfortunate. I can't see who that is. I'll go back on facebook later to find out who that is Now just as a a regular here and she has the question. Are you guys reformed right. Well Okay Vince. On your definition so the let me give you a little history why I would hesitate So you had the Catholic Church that developed galloped. What they a theology based on covenants and seeing themselves as a continuation of Old Testament? I'm judy awesome. And you had the really reformers came out and developed what was called reformed theology and many people refer to in Covenant Theology as Reform Theology. And then what you have is people who have taken with John. Calvin the ideas of Calvin and calvinism awesome and we'll talk about the doctrines of grace made go think of calvinism and Saquon calvinism or doctrines of grace. They call that reformed theology and reformed. Theology is much broader. In one sense. I wouldn't be I wouldn't be In my since neither one of US would be reformed in the sense that we're more. We are dispensational theology and so that would be different than reform theology once. Now if you're speaking of it as far as the doctrines salvation in how were saved. Will there we would agree with Doctrines Grace Boehner right all right. So Oh I like this question. Justin Melissa here is asking. The question has justin begun his dedicate. podcast technically old broadcast. That are that are currently going in. It's under the label of decay. But they were recorded order a long time ago. I have not begun my new podcast because I am on the cusp of having a brand new website website totally revamped in zone wanting to launch money website and the dedicate broadcast at the same time. So how long have I been asking you this question. I know I know it's going on two years now. Melissa I've been asking us on a regular basis as well willing and he doesn't need to wait for the new website. I mean it's all there is already you could actually disarm. Oh he was a good idea to wait and launching both at the same time that was before we put all the ones out there now. They're they're all out there so I say going very shortly very shortly thank you for. It'll be a little busy with G. Three Yeah Yeah. I'll get past three. And Lord Willing Lord Willing after not three it should start okay Andrew had said the question he asked he said. Thank you for your answer Melissa asks I I found a church. That is mostly sound but the past teachers spiritual gifts. I feel out of place because I am a sensations. It's hard to fellowship with others because of this suggestions by the way ladies clarify before you answer we believe in spiritual guests to mm-hmm we just don't believe all of them continue. Just yeah. Yeah and that's an. I'm sure I'm sure Melissa. You understand that But for anybody else listening As a secessionist I do believe Internet both believe in the spiritual gifts We believe in all of them in the sense they all at one time were in operation including the apostolic gifts assigned gifts but those sign gifts tongues interpretation of tongues languages interpretation taste language The gift of miracles gifts a physical healing those gifts those apostolic gift. Scientists are no longer in operation. I do believe that can still heels most people today but only when it's his sovereign will to do so that is not the same thing as saying. Someone possesses the gift of healing that I do not believe so but as cessation EST Andrew. Nye both believe in the gift of teaching gift to mercy to get expectation to giving it gives us the talent All of these gifts are very much an operation in the church today. Only am stall gifts from now specifically to your question honestly I of course I. I don't know where you live. I don't know if maybe there aren't. Maybe there's another option for you. I would say the option of driving want you share about your wife have forced us to drive that. Yeah this kind of goes back. Most most thing that hearing the word of God exposed by biblically qualified men is so vitally important. It is the most important thing I tell people. No matter how far you have to drive find a good church. I don't care how far it is in even if it's too far to go every week better to go. Oh to a good church once or twice a month than a band church every week so seek it out no matter how are you have to go Talk to out. What if it's too far to go every week? Talk to the elders air. Let them know your situation. I'm sure they will be understanding before caffeine. I got married Kathy. It used to drive long story short. Cathy was married before me her husband John died so she was a widow. died Dinah very early age of heart attack but anyway Before I married Kathy when she and John Were married they drove. If they lived in billings Montana they drove from billings Montana to Bozeman one eight to church as a hundred forty miles one way one one way one way in. They did it every week every week because church was that important to word of God rightly divided. was that important to not. Everybody can do that. It makes me feel better because I have like a sixty mile ride to church so it makes me feel a little better. It's like six in the morning or leave leaving. We'll get up at five something six something to to be able to go to church. It's I I cannot me personally I cannot Join A church. That is cares. It is continuous Even if they were the phrase open but cautious I kinda thing. I couldn't do it because it is. Is that important of an issue to coming so Melissa just say I don't know where you live Kgo. TMS Dot Edu and they have a search their go to resources sources. Find a church in. See if there's a church you know within one hundred miles of young and probably is but the church go to what we did at a lot of people just couldn't find a good church in their area In Bucks County Pennsylvania and they. We're actually driving into New Jersey to Somerset. They were driving Think about an hour over an hour to get to to church every week so they ended up Getting enough people together they. They contacted master seminary and they're great advanced program and worked with great advance that they would send out a pastor and an and plant a church and so it's a new church plant and Masters Church of Bucks County I'm still in New Jersey and where we're looking to move even though it may mean you're further away from other things were were closer to church so we can do more actively church so we're in the process of moving just be closer to the the church so there's this interesting so a facebook user this question. Would it be fair to say say that. It would be wise to avoid all the teachings of Dr Michael Brown. I've heard some within reform circles that Dr Brown should be listened to since he does a good apologetic some issue homosexuality Jewish objections to Christianity. And you just got this one today from someone. So yeah I would. I would say Yes it would be wise to avoid all the teachings of Dr Michael Brown. It's not not that. He's not right on a lot of things you know what he is. I have heard Dr Brown Michael Brown Debate penal substitution area tolman. I couldn't have done any better. I mean he was very good but the Bible has qualifications of an elder Bible teacher able to teach sound doctrine and refute. Those who contradict and Michael Brown does not refute those who contradict sound doctrine. He calls him his brothers and that is such a shocking lack of discernment as I said earlier. One of the marks of I think it's one of the marks of the mature Christian is a discerning Christian. You cannot lack discernment in be a mature Believer at the same time can't do it Hebrews Tampa and so if you cannot call out Todd Bentley and Kenneth Copeland Benny Hen as false teachers. Then you don't have any disarmament I mean that. That's this calling those guys out. That's basic mental one ground level discernment and so Not Qualified to teach. I'm sorry may sound harsh in a no No not everybody in reformed circles. Ripples would have agreed with my assessment of Dr Michael Brown. But I don't know how you get around Just I'm sorry I don't know how to get out so so no I would not recommend human own anything. There's other sources that you can go to who are qualified. This one will get into detail. Answer quicken the question of slavery in the Old Testament is justified. Yes moving on a the. The problem with the slavery in the Old Testament is people want to apply the slavery breathe happening in Europe and America with the African slave trade totally different. The slavery in the Old Testament was economic system. And you just one two and so And obviously would it be. It'd be justified in the sense. That a book Leman. Paul doesn't say run away from your your your master says go back home yeah All right so are you working on anything or have you done anything. Revealing the problems with Hebrew roots movement. I don't know if if you have I will be. I'll say this I will be interviewing shortly on both here. Probably and on the Rack Report on author of a book that I'm reading right now now So from halfway through and I do think that I'll probably have him on Hit The book is is Torah ISM originally. I thought it I was going to support Hebrew roots boat as got through it. It is an excellent apologetic against it. So I may deal with that out of you even if you deal with roots really. I don't deal with it. I mean I'm pretty familiar with it. It's bad it's bad juju up again with the fan jus again the bad Juju you dealing with Hebrew roots come on that user fee. That was. You're saying that's not in context. It's a micro aggression aggressive there. You go okay so here we go. Vince has a great appoint here a Benny Hinn. Paula white are the Romeo and Juliet Bala genetics quite nerd. That's analogy in many. Of course you know they. They had fleeing about ten years. That's right too vague. Remember how about that see. I don't follow it as much as our president needs new spiritual advisers. Yeah like vice president just it. Just just get your spiritual advice from your vice president stopped. He's other buzz. Okay so From Youtube at striving fraternity. Do you think the the false prophet in revelation might come out of any are also have you. Have you tried to get copland airlines to advertise out of politics. That's interesting Oh you know as far as a false prophet revelation the out it. I I don't think so. I goes against good ruin album. That's that would not be my I guess but Copeland Airlines. I got so funny somebody all this I have actually sat. I was GonNa ask you actually sat in. Kenneth Copeland's is private jet. Yeah you gotta you gotTa tell that story not his newest one but the the previous mall so about ten or so years ago I was preaching Friend of mine's jobs in North Fort Worth which is where Kenneth Copeland's compound is and my friend my pastor free He asked me if I've ever been on Kenneth Copeland's compound registered as no. I haven't liked to go. Yeah sure let's let's go. I've been there since but anyway So we went and we just override on the property and which I still can't believe I think they're more tight now but we drove right on and we went down. Follow this road down to Kenneth Copeland's hanger. He has his own hangar in airport. Basically in the hangar was open and I've always had a bit of an interest in aviation I just Kinda like one of my hobbies not a right but I think it's interesting so anyway we got out and we walk into the hanger and there's two of Copeland's private jets hits ski boats. Motorcycles fancy cars yet. Another plane like a between moral order award to era kind of a biplane. And that's just as Toya's he just goes around for fun and but anyway there was is privatised. Oh my friend and We're standing there looking at the jet. In this lady walks up works Kenneth Copeland ministries. He said May I help. If you gentlemen and my friend said Yeah I'm just here you know zone my buddy here Mr Copeland's jet in he likes airplanes which is true and she said okay so she starts telling us about his jet and then she says would you like would he liked to sit in it like. It's an open the door and my money. Randall is his name. Rentals starts starts helping me up the steps and next thing I know I am sitting and Kenneth Copeland I can't think of the irony of the you know just being there no Zandt. I was walking around just fine. After I got the job that crippled he needed needed a new one because the the demons of of of just impede I messed up his. Yeah so yeah I Had A gospel drank in my pocket and on little walked out because he does need the gospel. Danny says might different Christian. Bale's is with us now. And what's up now. Kristen she was. She's at Pastor US Eastern Redwood City so Wow Okay so sedan. Dangers got moved to has got the kudos there for hanging out with her. She's she's her family's very great Richard Story. Richard by the way from the voice of reason radio podcast which was a great PODCAST listen to and if you don't know Richard on if you know Richard Richard was I think correctly it was. He was hit by a truck remember correctly but he is In a wheelchair And it was neat to see for first time I was actually when when they they they actually wanted to evangelism and he wanted to stand up with his Bible and so he had two guys holding him up so he could stand up and preach abry asks. Do you think the influence of charismatic teaching has caused the SBC to start down the slippery slope. NOPE that it's currently on while that's not too controversial the topic Richard Ferber brother blessings on you. My friend Yes I do I absolutely do. I think what you're saying in the SBC is what happens when a denomination of firms tmz at least theoretically inherits but it does nothing says nothing about sufficiency and The SBC in. I can become become a little bit. I was born reared educated SBC. I'm not asking him more than I am. I was Yeah it it it the. SBC IS A it's it's basically a functionally charismatic denomination because the vast majority of SBC SBC folks believed that God speaks in dreams or visions or still small voices and that is by definition practical implication of the charismatic position. Russian Beth Moore is charismatic and She is she is the queen of SBC the SPCA had a female pope. It would be breath. More and Yeah it's I think it's absolutely a lot of what's going on and now you're seeing this. BC Dive headfirst into social justice intersects analogy and all this stuff and it's just the SPCA his own a fast downward trajectory a fast and it's it is all because they have abandoned or at least you may have never affirmed the sufficiency subscription and. I'll just say this For those of you who are interested in issues with espy. We seeing some of that my podcast. That will come out this Sunday But ally and I will be will be dealing with L. L. Muller and some comments he made on the his the briefing. Let's say elmore may be a hypocrite. I'm sorry to say but you'll have to listen to podcasts at Moeller what he said is right. It's just he won't address those same issues when it comes to other people within the SBC. Beth more and so if you subscribe to the rapper podcast Sunday. That will drop in that dilemma. That might be quite enlightening will do two episodes on El Molar From from that one podcast so this facebook either says there's lots of churches and these churches in quotes Promoting that the Bible makes us literally on fire. They use the word often and it's it is becoming very popular in conservative circles. Could you give us some thoughts on this. Yeah you usually when you see God sending down fire that's is not a good thing for the recipients. Ask the province of all Yeah but this yeah. This is a charismatic thing. Did they have adopted. Todd Bentley's ministry in fact it's called fresh fire so it's all fire fire. Fire you all the fire. Earth God anthony so we have a facebook user here saying hi Andrew and Justin Brother Joe from New Zealand Australia. Praise God for your ministry deathly call contacts from churches. I want to go to New Zealand and Australia please. He's like Zealand is one of the most beautiful countries. I WanNa go this beautiful place. We need a bunch of churches down there to just travel around the Australia and New Zealand. Boy I feel for you guys in Australia. What's going on? Yeah yeah that is okay so rosy asks. Hi Justin can you you address people speaking the prophetic word into someone's life please. Yeah the only prophetic word that should be spoken in. Someone's life the scripture. So if you WANNA speak a prophetic word to somebody read read scripture to them with the way. You had a prophetic word. We're just not per unit prophetic word for twenty twenty two th recently. y'All go to my youtube channel in search prophetic were at the title. God gave me of Prophetic Attic. Word for twenty twenty and US ratings on the comments that they ought I had gone off the deep end adjust. It's it's Yeah you did them at you and I talked to like you know like a year or so ago about the idea. I had the idea that wanted to like on Monday. Start saying that. Have a prophetic Eric. Word on Friday and a Monday Tuesday Wednesday build up to it and then we we talked about. I said the problem is that by Monday. By by the time we get to Wednesday people who have written all together. So you didn't well to say. Here's a prophetic word to do. What shot but that was very? I enjoyed it Suggest it just says would you say pentecostal oneness is Christian. No no not one call Stolz deny the trinity one has. There's been a call styles are motorist. They hold on what's called modal. They they reject the trinity. They they believe that God Just changes modes You know he in the Old Testament he owned he had on his father had than in the new test put on his son had and now they didn't the Holy Spirit Hat They reject the trinity. So if you if you're the trinity you reject the God of the Bible is one being in three persons so oh One is pentecostals. If somebody understands what one is GonNa Coastal Teach Oneness Pentecostal as teachers. Then they cannot be Christian so KT asks Youtube says at striking for training. What would you do if you if church if a church you visited was doing soul schreider study in the women's group and I guess I'm wondering visiting visiting visiting to visit or visiting to preach I could say this? I was in a church where I was the I was the speaker. I was the guest speaker and I didn't know some of their positions And so I came in speaking showed up early. ended up the talent of their Sunday Sunday. School found out that they Believe in female pastors and some other things and so I did ask just before If if I had the freedom to preach whatever think God's Word Said and just before I got up to preach I said yes so I started reaching from I Timothy Two A message that got me never invited back KT WOULD I. I would say is If if that were me I guess maybe if you're looking for a new church I don't know boot are visiting that search with those of you might join it That would be. That would certainly be a red flag for me. I would. I wouldn't immediately write them off. Coast you know the larger churches more. Sometimes things can slip under the radar but I would certainly WanNa know what's going on there on the l the the the the leaders elders of the church know what's going on they know what Priscilla I Shire teaches and if they're not aware than than tell what she teaches and encourage them to do their own due diligence. It's really you know no. It's not hard to find out what she teaches. And now if they stick to their guns and say no. We have no problem with this. Then I would would be looking for another church. Got One next question's GonNa be fun but facebook user this question. How do you differentiate orangeade between healing a a healing from God or from Satan Slash demonic healing? As you've said you believe God heals today but when when is it His sovereign will do. So can you please explain. Yeah Okay I'll push back a little bit on the premise of the question because I do not believe that Satan or demons he'll keo people. I don't believe that they heal people now that having been said we do know from scripture. We see in the New Testament a couple of different places that demons. Whether it's Lucifer himself you know anyway. Damon's eight they can cause illness they can. Can they can inflict illness now. They can only do what God allows them to do. You know they're on a on a leash goddess holding the other end of that late so they can only do it allows them to the but they can apparently from scripture they can inflict sickness now. What better way to get to divert? Somebody's somebody's about away from sound doctrine away from the purity of the Gospel own to the sidebar things signs in wonders inhaling what better way for demons to divert people's attention away from the Gospel to those things than to have caused some kind of illness in them and then they simply withdraw in simply by their withdrawal. The person recovers covers. That's not a healing. It's just the demon withdrawing from person but if the person thinks that that's a healing oh you know and then in there where are they. They're they're right into the health and wealth. Prosperity Gospel So I I believe that happens But that they can't heal they can inflict sickness and simply a withdrawal than the body's natural ability to recover. You know slowly over time. Immune recover from that. But that's not healing. That's a that's Monica distraction. I think that happens now when God he also on if God if God truly heal it I'll tell you a little story of something happened to me. Andrew in our in the Philippines in May and when we were there one day. Hey how lost use of my left arm right. Yes I completely lost use of my left arm long story short are you. Are you going to tell where I became a faith. It's not very good but you got your back so okay. So our two years ago I had bulging disks in my see foresee popsy six burder along the right arm two years ago almost three years ago and they did surgery. They fuse those Vertebra. I regain the USA Reidar so about two years ago then in This past May when we're in the Philippines one day fill wall see some leftover in because my experience a couple of years before I thought. Oh boy here we go again and it was. It was getting gradually worse to complete on right because a a lot of it I could. I could do certain motions with my left arm but I could not push down ahead no strength to push down and I lost all the feeling in the fingers in my left hand. All my fingers were not couldn't feel There was a couple of doctors in the church that we were at and they didn't pay more about that you got to a they didn't have an MRI they don't even charge you charge me lately. There was a doctor took him just bay. That will take it right over. Yeah they did an tomorrow on me. He made me do more reaching than the the results came back in And sure enough. I have two more bulging disc this time one just above Bob and one just below where I had the disc ball two years ago and So anyway after get back stateside common doctrine San Guy. That did the surgery surgery previously told him what was going on sending the emory results. And come in and and sure enough to more bulging disc and I'm scheduled for surgery August the eighth of two thousand nineteen and But then one day all of a sudden literally all of a sudden about two weeks before surgery all of a sudden I realized I can. I've got my strength back. I can use my left arm can push down and the feeling in my fingers. Lingers came back and I let it go a couple of days and it maintained and so I call it my surgeon. Anna Say MM-HMM DR Morrison. I'm not sure what to make of this but I've got all the strength back in my left arm. The feeling has returned to my fingers and he said Oh come in. Let's take a look. Someone in gave me an exam in a few strength tasks and he said well as long as you don't have symptoms. We're not going to do. Surgery and surgery was cancelled. And so here we are now about five months later. I've still got all my strength. Still have a feeling one of two bus abilities as I said you bet you skip the part that I prayed for you on the plane for healing you skip that part see. That was an important part a cream so but what a great fake yard could be healed. Justin Peter I know people are GonNa say the people are going to say but he's the Walker crutches but I didn't want to heal your legs because you might chased me after all the abusive giving you. So that's I mean it's clear why would well many how many people were praying for me and So there's only two possibilities one those bulging disc at least one of the bulging disks that was pressing spinal column just moved a little bit in relieve. Leave the pressure and that's how I got my strength back in my feeling that's possible. The other possibility is a god healed me. I haven't had another MRI which would tell the tale. But the doctor didn't order one. So I don't I don't as right now I don't know which of those two new possibilities it is. I don't know Time will tell I. Suppose if it's if God didn't he only and it's just that desperate move a little bit then eventually it will probably move back. I'll have the same problem at surgery. So time will tell I don't know I don't know I have no problem with with believing that God may have me but I'm not saying he did. I don't know whatever it is. Here's what it is bottom line. It's a good merciful providence. Providence of God and I'm grateful for whatever it is great for kids. I like this next question. Coming in from pester Aaron he's up in the Seattle Washington area. He says Andrew if Justin tried to treat you to lunch. Will you let him or fight him. Asking asking for a friend. Muski for that friend is probably Mr Matt Slick but Why don't you? Why don't you explain? You know I mean Matt me feel bad when you explain this answer but it's it's it's been very difficult. I finally pay for a meal last night of not Baber dinner last night. It is very difficult to get. But that's because I had a word from the Lord. Yeah from folks who don't know there's a new podcast that were doing all the Christian. PODCASTS commute podcasters. Cold Theology throwdown. It's it's It'll start dropping next Tuesday On once a month month will drop off all the first three episodes in on that third episode. I prophesied that That Justin with by me find Sushi this week and So so it happened sees Aaron so each need a prophecy to happen there. There you go erin is probably Aaron later in had comments like to to Anthony So we got this was a Joe Gas and he goes he switched over. Are you to be Youtube. You're invited to Nicaragua good. I'd like to go. I'm like this next question for you. Adjust Andrew Asks Andrew ask Justin when he's going to get a new episode of decay of get. Keep those coming. Okay Andy Andy Andy. Andy says you embed Andy have addict. I never can pronounce and his last name Lawn. Zack's loans ASCII. Who knows crazy name asking who knows? Okay here's a question from Daryl He's from the. What are we even doing here? PODCAST on crucial me and Darryl says hey guys this is Darryl Karen and I are watching. She wants no of your wives will be g the three my wife. My wife will be there for the record. My Wife's Darrow will be there justin. I don't don't know possibly possibly. I'm not sure this is a real busy time of year. Kathy does all the paperwork of the ministry. All the stuff that I'm allergic to she does and So that it works. Yeah I gotta be allergic to it. Okay she wants to come where we're still kind of trying to figure that out the possibly fifty fifty coin. Flip at this point but you did say I think yesterday I think yes. I said I really got a book. My flights two G. Three. You don't have an answer tomorrow tomorrow. Today's tomorrow we'll talk to me and over his Dylan. All right So here's here's one from Chad. If people speak in tongues that would mean they aren't art converted would that would that mean. They're not converted from a brother in. Pa I think we actually Chad we answered that earlier. So if you go back and religion either on Youtube you or get the podcast version which this should drop his podcast tomorrow. A kind of answered that one Here we got So so edifying listening to to both of you guys hope one day you will have a conference in Miami. There's a real easy way to make that happen. You get a church to invite us to come. It's it's really that easy We don't have the Miami a have you. I've been to Miami to but not to speak up breach church Miami Bible Church David Ds Pastor. Don't I would love to come back. Would love to come back and and for the record Neither just nor I have speaking fees so bill always think they can't afford you know these for me. I usually just ask that. least they try to cover the travel expenses I think you're kinda similar that way right. I mean so so let's see. Here's here's Oh actually here. We go watching watching now if I don't know if you remember over her lead Desmond and the rain was actually I think is her name but watching from the Philippines missing. Both you guys is about your wisdom and sense of humor. Awesome to see the to you again. Ha Ha and taking notes so she runs. She is with the radio station that interviewed us. She was on that interviewed me. You had the U S somehow. They must've known personalities. You are the more serious interviewer interviewing you and I had the one that was more playful or joking around fitting right great to hear from you a Bushel. Okay so I can't pronounce that name. I don't read Japanese. Japanese has your Japanese. I don't know so Watching from Okinawa Japan Do you have any videos. Produce specifically for Joseph Prince a clip We can share with her friends. Who are fond of learning from him? Praising thanking the Lord for your ministry. Thanks for reading. Yes I do. I have a couple of clips of Joseph Branson Manson my DVD clouds without water to that was recorded back in two thousand sixteen. So yes he is. He is word of faith. He's Helping Wealth Prosperity Gospel. He's clever because he knows seems to no more than a lot of the other ones do but He he is a false teacher. Yeah but there. There is a little bit of him in my seminar clouds without water to Jeffrey asked Japan. Yeah I I actually almost almost. We're trying to get to Japan. This year didn't work out so wherever you are in Japan if you most churches down there By I was close to going. We're trying work it out with the Olympics being there but just didn't work out So Jeffrey in light of the issue of meals asked has met slick ever ever treated either of you to a meal as looking for treat you. Yes you have presented at the boardwalk. Yeah I know I know. Oh He's never treated me. Oh no there's there's there's some videos of US fighting over the bill I've had succeeded every time I will eventually buy meal and I will deserve so much abuse. I mean so much abuse because I give a lot of abuse I mean I give I give. I'm just a little bit abuse. If you WANNA see Go to to Justin. I win Dot Com that that website right there. There's a video you can watch. That explains it. You get to see Jost Justin choking me unconscious it was horrible was doing Dean gene was answering price on. Because we're so far behind in comments doing says depends on WHO's asking. Ll just don't call us the C word so wasn't sure what that was forget. I'm forgetting that was a while back. We mentioned Wayne Doing. Can't wait to see man. Maybe he he means that Calvin is towards Oh I don't know. He was so responsive reform. Yeah because they're seeing some some others here that are so let's see So it looks like so Dwayne was on facebook there and then we see he went to you youtube. This must been watching on a couple ones here. Just pop back and forth but Okay so this this is from Melissa who he has to Kushner earlier about the distance and she said no church is in my area. That are not pentecostal. I drive an hour to this. Current Church might be time to move It's it's hard you know the there's moving. There's a lot of times you know folks. We have self limitations. And there's Times TMZ or we put a limitation ourselves. Say Oh I can't go there because my job is holding me here my family or something. We have to decide what's what's important and there's times where we say You know what We we move. And if you can't move and you can't find a good church. Maybe maybe you can work with you. Know some seminaries to bring someone in Atlanta Church started church so those are some options that you could always try Brenda in. I'm not sure if this is just based on the last name don't know if she's she's going to be joining us to Israel but that name looks familiar of some Canadians. That are coming to Israel with US but Justin I can't wait for the new website. And what's what's that other. Were there just again for the new website of what I'd cast. Okay we need your encouragement. Thank I thank you guys for helping me. He 'cause it's usually just me giving him the hard times okay Chauhan's who thinks he should start his podcast like the new ones nail bashed Raise your hands on your this coming. Thank you vinny Glenn Grad always have a few listeners. Yeah let's see what we have a ton of these Get okay. So here's a here's a question I get to Joel asked this question. I know. Struggling fraternity has a Patriot account for receiving support. Is that your favorite way to receive support from individuals actor. No we don't we don't have a favorite way. You could go to striving for eternity dot dot org slash Donnie and donate to us. Pay Pal Patriarch. Send a check. Whatever works easiest for you is what works for us if you want to donate to Justin Peters Instead of going to his website go to Justin. I win Dot Com. Because there's a link rate they are to his donation page and make sure in the comments somewhere just put comments in that say Hashtag Justin. I win you know so Just for fun. Just Justin really appreciate that if if you get that you have to go to justify win dot com to watch the video that explains it Let's see so here is a that's written to Andrew so To see forget more questions. Okay here's one I don't know and if you're able to give an answer or think about this facebook user says why did eakins family die also Because of his sin in Joshua's chapter seven so I don't know if you I'd have to get I didn't Fredge that's been yet had one have to go. Look that up so I don't get this one. I don't know who accusers. But it's like soap oper- Andrew so it's price only said earlier on the UK. Rosie says he indirect with Justin. Peters can you please speak regarding those. Who speak the prophetic word and we had that? Were already right okay. So did they they ask again or did we don't think we scrolled over Here we go. This is a funny one. I'll tell the story about this question and then you can answer but facebook user says what are your thoughts about France of Francis Chan in his agreement with the Roman Catholic belief of Trans Substantiation as men so the podcast Hud cast that drops. I think it's this Sunday. No no next Sunday next. We deal with our Muller and Social Justice and and I was trying to use an illustration there muller saying like liquid platform with. Look at where I've I've been and that should justify where he is now. Oh and I tried to come up with an example and I'm trying to think of an example of somebody who seemed solid years ago but isn't today and I just throw out. Francis Chan not realizing what was going on with Francis Chan so next morning I called Bud. Texted butter like Francis. Chan is agreeing with the Catholic. Nothing Church on on Lord Supper easing. Oh I thought you knew that. That's what you used him. As an example I went no but it makes the argument much stronger now so I knew you ahead of us on this. Because we saw short clip of Francis Chan told me metrics substantiation how it's the real presence in that kind of thing haven't seen Foale con the video of that sermon and full disclosure. I'm not saying that what I have seen as troubling greatly so but honestly I didn't even need that got to be troubled by Francis Shannon. I'm already immensely. Troubled by his partnership with an endorsement of Mike. Bickel IOM of you've been in Todd White Todd White is another one that is just so so manifestly obvious Of False teacher and Francis stand calls him a quote great great man of God. This is a guy who goes around on the street. Lengthening opening people's legs that's an old parlor trick and charlatans and been doing for decades He's an obvious false teacher in France sustain causing his brothers. I mean as kind of like with Michael Brown and all these others that he he won't call out and calls him is brothers. I mean if you think todd white is a great great man of God. I have no interest in anything you have to tell me about the Bible. None none none Kissel Ivan Ivan town is a two parter so after he'd this says hey guys love you both So find to have you both on here. I know someone where their church has been using more hill. No Song worship They are specifically using ones. That are theologically accurate in lyrics example Mana Sarah's but it's really hard for this person to deal with during worship service any advice advice other than other than run. That would be my advice off the bat I wouldn't I wouldn't necessarily run from Church Church immediately. The first yes. That's true he'll saw would not do that. As strongly encouraged people and churches do not play Hilson. Music in your church. Do not play Jesus culture because these these things they come from false churches. They come from colts in even if some of their songs will pass a doctrinal smell test and quite honestly some of them. Do you know not all but some of them do It's very dangerous to sing their music because he put the lear example screen in the unsuspecting person sitting out there in the Pew. They're looking up Sunday morning reading the lyrics singing along and then they see in the fine print because they always lead legally amped this up there they see on the fine print music by Hilson. Oh also I think I'll check them out. They must be okay. We're sticking their music right and so they use their music as their own. Perverted form of evangelism absolutism. They use their music as as a hook to pull people into their false theological system so brother. If our you when I would I do I would go to. Leadership go to the music director the pastor. They elders and lovingly gently. Not In an accusatory way. Not Saying would is anybody watching Lovingly explained to him what Hill Song Years and You pinpoint him to have some resources. I can see it and ask them. Please don't sing this. Please please reconsider singing this stuff and hopefully Hopefully they would do so. You are actually coming in. You should come in. This is a live show where you're supposed to come in and ask questions or taking so Richard Story. Sorry says female pope I will use that. Love it To which. Kt says love. We Sary's and Radio Chris on holds emerged story story. They were Kinda half the team. There wasn't balancing the universe. Just Chris but Chris was doing that because I gave him a hard. I've been giving him a hard time as well. They they got consistent where they were doing sir doing weekly shows but they replay shows. I kinda got a little bit. And so he did show by himself to make sure that the first year they had a show So here's a question for Moreland Wilson. He's a with the Gospel Truth. If you listen to that It's a podcast and also. He's got a youtube channel. I've done us a debate. A couple of debates and interviews there So moreland says what would be a a approach to begin dialogue concerning word of faith. Nonsense incense I have many family members who follow different individuals. That are a part that are a part of this movement. Yeah thank you Marlin. Great Question. what I like to do with people start with something very simple and concrete just to kind of get a feel feel for where they are in their willingness to submit to God's word and I'll start with something easy like healing physical healing and I'll ask them they believe that it's always gonna be healed and they will inevitably say yes Kasit. The object in they don't show examples of faithful servants of God all throughout the Bible who were not healed. who were sick and who were not? He'll Moses Executive Orders Eleven Elisha second kings thirteen indict of in the Orleans David several places Some some seventy one. The also Paul's Second Timothy wrote to Timothy Take a little wind your stomach and you frequent almost didn't they. Bustle ball himself. In relations for thirteen had a bodily illness flat out says he was. I am bodily illness and so then I ask them. What do you do with them? And so now the ball's in their court they're going to have to decide. Who am I going to believe this prosperity? Preacher this word faith guys and listening to or what I see in black and and white right in front of me inscription and generally. You're going to get one of responses. I enough had both. I've had people literally I show them these things in scripture in the have I've literally had people say I don't care what that says I know God what make people sick. My God wouldn't make anybody sick and I think well you're right. You're God what the the God of the Bible so if their if their heels are dug in if they if they refuse to have their theology corrected from scripture. Then there's no other card to play there's nowhere else to go after that You you talk about the weather talking about who the ball game but you can't talk about the Z.. Because they're they're not willing to have the record from description So so but on the other hand if you get a response something more like wow. I don't know I've never. I've never seen that before. I never thought about that before. You know if cents a bit some humility before scripture A willingness to bend their need to the truth. And that's what we hope to see this. What you want to see and you spend more time with that person digging deeper into the word of God in the nets as kind of what you're looking for is just a willingness to think for from that person to think? Wow maybe I do need to take a look at this. And that's that tells me that they're at least just willing to bend their need of scripture and which is a hallmark of a bully before we get to Andrew who came in. He's irregular Darryl asks a question there from the water we eat. What are we doing here? podcast who he hasn't been podcasting a while they'd been kind of busy with life about they have Some foster kids and so he asked this question. What will happen I will we drop it new episode of what are we doing here or new new decay grow? What what do you think? What's your prediction? I'm not serve as Tom Mind. Lord Willing I don't want to the Lord Willing. I'm hoping in about two weeks. Maybe sooner than that. I'm I'm hoping about. I'm going to bring Andrew through in Hello Andrew interest from Australia's injury. Hey so injuring. How are you brother the other two well unfortunately on from the hill zone side of things unfortunately the bread reflects Which has never sat? Well with me. I've never actually agreed with a lot of end. A lot of the Bethel stuff is what might actually things things to and I thought Dr to deal with the church with the Neil this end I guess some some of the songs we stopped seeing I think but I guess my question is in Churches Warning signs to look out for Richard judges becoming it. Okay Yeah Yeah Great Greg question brother a warning signs. I would say several things if you start hearing things like God spoke to me. God told me something. That's a big red flag. Bore my antennas. Go Up really fast. When I hear that I agree? Let's qualify. You're saying from a pastor because we did the the theological throwdown podcast where he talked about hearing from God and we we did make some distinction that there's some people just have bad language because they just that's all they know. So you're saying when you hear pulpit yeah leadership when you're hearing it from the leadership that's a big red flag when you if you if you notice a a diminishing of sin not much talk about San Not much talk about the wrath of God That's a big red flag. If you start hearing things like you know Jeremiah Twenty nine eleven eleven and taking that out of context and God wants to bless you not harm you give you a future hall. I can so if MHM now. Yeah those are court there would be some of the the mild irs stuff but nonetheless big very very very concerning because it tells me the direction starches going obviously some of the things that in any church. Typically you say you have not yeah not yet not yet but then waived going through it. You're saying you're you know they're playing like for example that city I are playing hill. Song and You Talk to the leadership and they recognize that hill song is a colt and it's bad but but they still think the music is good and okay. Well that might showed the startup. Where they're they're not discerning and they're they're starting to to allow things in slowly and so that's the chih-ming away you'll see things when they start when you have leadership that starts making excuses his for things that they were especially if you hear them say well we know that's bad but then that's a beginning point? Okay yeah now I have a much bang. Usually I'd like I said we've We've appointed youth NASA. So he said so. I think this Waco Knicks way at some point this year he has doubts We've just gone through senior pasta as well. A Pasta stepped up We've had a lot of changes to on a lot of. It does happen in the history of stuff and a lot of times. This happened. Yeah we need. We need us from youth. Minister definitely goes. I didn't have one. We went down to two ministers for awhile. We had three Three at one point and end So we had the senior the system and the lady who takes care of the council. It's in the counseling side of things which Judge Office And I'm not trying to defame that I'm just trying to kind of I. I don't know what the word is the church really unless it does start to speak warning signs and if I see them I will run and I guess that's really really the best that I can do isn't that just keep my eye a opin. Well try to you know. Look try to meet with your leadership trying to get to to help them. Let me give you the side of a pastor you know pastors often are being bombarded by a lot of people and it's hard it's not easy and they have a lot of people ask him to be involved this ministry this ministry this Ministry and Sometimes they get worn out they get burnt out and they get tired and they're not always doing what uh-huh what's right sometimes. Because they're doing what's easy They're being boarded all the time so having come alongside them and lift them up and support them and encourage them to do what's right. Maybe sometimes. That's all that's needed. So maybe that's something. Yeah do do while. He's he's also at the moment when he gets back G. You only gets back molest token because one particular song. I think it's called silo. I what I stopped trying to mix evolution into it billions of years. And that's a red flag. That's not necessarily a red flag. That's just liberalism. Reflect Illogical Liberal Theology Ashcroft Baptist. Church is name of my church however however Dan Patterson is one vow former pastas and he works for as I am now as a Paula just add had. He's a great guy very approachable. The very reason that went to the church was because he was and his very friendly very approachable and he's he's a really Nice Guy Side I have I have very little issue actually with lots of stuff specifically typically with people but we did also have a women nailed his past about a year and a half ago. You you allow for Women Pastors Women Elders. You Bet memory care. That's I would actually say that's passed a red flag. I've done thinking I'm thinking that it's like they don't play as much as a mile does for example but our loud banging I mean. That's a tough one to two year to say that there's not serious issue there. I'm I'm not saying that's not a serious issue. I'm just saying is that really. I mean there's a local Presbyterian church within walking distance that unfortunately one Claude is the the next one is probably closer than this church. The guy to at the moment but it's kind of tough to decide. Well I would. I would recommend Mendon Presbyterian Church over a bad baptist Virginia necks. Yeah I came from the Presbyterian I've I've I've done that I've done quite a bit Many yet 'cause we got twenty minutes left to try to get a lot of questions here. So thanks Andrew. We'll see you the thanks for having me your welcome Nice Andrew enjoys comes in so let's see we got a couple. I'M GONNA I'm trying to get through some of these quicker there's some notes okay so Dirk says for years now. I've supported a friend's campus ministry. He leads it but those But for those years he continued to sit under an assembly of God. Pastor shows little to no discernment recently gave applause to a newer A.. New Heavenly Tourism Book you need to dodge okay Over over this time my friend has continued to grow in in his Denomination beliefs and deny sound doctrine also showing little discernment And a hyper love attitude. TORD false teachers. Should I continue supporting the his ministry I I would say I would say justin repeaters dot. Org and then go to the Doni Bar. That's what I would say. I would say that would be a very a very good use of your support Definitely not be supporting that guy. Yeah no that's a that's a shocking lack of disarmament so that that bad. What did you bet I knew you were GonNa GonNa rip the diggers again? You know Okay so here facebook facebook users says what does a Schreier Cicek you can just over that one Ciller Sarabeth more two peas in a pod. Basically I mean they they pretty much teach the same thing yeah they're very very similar. Priscilla Sire teaches they. You can learn how to hear the voice of God outside of Scripture and she has a whole series on that in fact. And so that for me is Disqualifying yeah yeah. She's big in social justice stuff and all that so darryl says From what are we even doing. Your Raucous love your brothers. Thank you for your ministry. Keep preaching the truth of God. Like cody from Texas says enjoyed Justin's Justin's walk through the voices. That's on your old podcast. That's on the podcast. Feed for dedicated and on your flash drive of from that series. Will you have have him elaborate on his position on his age of accountability and justification for it. Also I'd like him to talk about his position on and Pleading elite pledging allegiance to the flag. I've changed my position on that and agree with him. So if you could briefly go over those yeah okay thank you glad you enjoyed the Witnessing to the witnesses that was innocent. Did you listen you why you're surprised that I listened to your stuff. I don't know okay. I don't recall you saying anything about how did tell you. Listen to all the PODCASTS. Make sure they were with. I listened to her Angel Cap. Excuse me age of accountability. And you know that's it's not explicitly taught in scripture I've kind of in others like John. Macarthur have inferred it from you know when in the Old Testament Jewish tradition custom when a when a child was began to transition to adult was considered to be an adult roundabout year age. Twelve in. This is hard age of accountability ability. Thing that isn't in the Bible. No it's not finish the job. Here's this is one of the few very few areas justice denied disagree on the How it there's A? There's a clear distinction distinction in scripture between a contrast rather should said contrast between the nature of children and the nature of of Salvation Conversion of Paul says. When I was a child you just think like a child reason like a job talk like a job but when it became a man I did away way with challenge things you know their children? Think like joyner young very childish thanking a five six. Your old child is not going to be able to wrestle with sin but God darn it to you. That's because you don't know the new thing. Oh you had transgenderism. Do you know the new thing is now trans ageism where you have no. I'm not getting this new where you has awesome you. Have you have people that. Think there really are five and six year olds living cribs as adults okay. Okay I digress games grandfather and he thinks he's an eight year old girl a thirty six year old girl and so soon adopted into his family know the culture is not going insane. Yeah Yeah thank you almost forget. So you're though that we think as a child yeah at least one of us was paying attention to what he was saying. A five six seven year. Old Child is thing about this one. Children children aged five six and seven. They believe in Santa clause if they're talking about Santa Claus they believe in so their intellectual capacity is such that it allows house for the belief in a red suit who goes all around. The world visits every home in one night on a sled pulled by a team of flying wind rain do their intellectual capacity allows for belief in that in. We're GONNA Trust that same child who believes in that to wrestle with the Trinity Godly sorrow over Sin Repentance the wrath of God no no. I'm sorry there's the away so anyway I'll become second resources. You're Kunia good book to get his go to go. To Justin's website just appears that Oregon get his book on Childhood Conversion. I think that even though there are some things he and discredited as action action excellent work on explaining all the the details. It's going to play a much more detail than you know than here so Do the book is do not hinder them. So I just computer so get that Nigga all right let me get this answered quickly with Diverting it Melissa's questions how do we answer people with regards to Muslims having visions of Jesus. What ought to say here unless you wanted to answer it? Here I'll just say that we we got. We're going to address this in greater detail on the theological throw podcast. That will come out Tuesday at had four. PM Eastern time so we get into a lot of detail on that one and just explains that in much more detail of time in the ten plus minutes we have left but is there anything you want to hear of well is that is a good question that you wanted to answer. We have got about US talking about it the so yes Melissa. Thank you very much great question we do we will. Endor said deal with more much more in depth but suffice it to say right here I am beyond on skeptical and I put no wait in in these claims of Muslims having visions of Jesus none at all. But I'll flesh that out more detail detail as to why I don't on that podcast. So Theology throwdown is the name of the podcast was to get on your podcast APP. It you can get it now Just Jason Says Missing Andrew and just together again. So that's because I I always look better when he's nearly 'cause he looks so good and I don't so okay. Oh I don't even see just like this one just from facebook User Dir Andrew and Justin Andrew. What exactly is Hashtag Justin? I win well. Well okay I'll quickly just say if you go to just an I win Dot Com Justin. I win Dot Com. There's a video that explains the whole history and there's some fun pictures and if you watch the one video and keep watching there's another video where role while we're in the Philippines say cheese yet. Instead they said on three they said just an I win so that was brilliant. I loved it right so. KT's S. A. Are you doing. Are you doing the Justin. I win thing for shepherds conference again if so what. What will you do this time yet? That's that's word started and see people like Justin. I win. Basically what Justin I win is is if you guys donate money to Justin's website at through Justin's website don't commit money to his ministry just put Hashtag Justin. I win and I get the bragging rights we we keep trying out give each other. And so I've I'm calling calling on all of you to help me give to Justin. That's really what Justin Justin I win. Is I want to tell just in I win. I want bragging rights on. I need your help. So that's basically in a sense is short. That's what it is So let's see there were some. There were some questions Russian's here. of learning from Philippine says time to go to work and and yes saved radio in the Philippines. Thank you Thank you for your time and To give question Conversation Sir Andrew Still Finishing the book you gave me But thanks again. God bless the two year in the rest of the two thousand twenty journey. The book I gave her was. What do we believe? Okay so someone who wants to know Chris Justin. Are you going to talk. Are you going to talk macarthur into doing a strange fire conference us. Stranger Stranger Fire Conference. Okay Yeah I don't I don't have that much pool. You Talk Macarthur into doing much. Just out. They do they. It would be great for them to another a strange higher part two or stranger fire Dutch so some of those issues in the truth matters conference of dealing with efficiency of scripture. Sure but I'd be all for see look at this K- t- Hashtag Justin. I win So that's good Let's see there was. There was a couple that I saw. Were we're putting justin to sleep. He didn't get much sleep last night. So just so you guys know He's staying up for you guys Where was his by quickly Here we go all right so From facebook or what preachers do you recommend. Manned are good to listen to Spending yeah there. There's a Guy Charles Finney in here are he's just yeah okay but John MacArthur at a great didn't agree with him on everything but he agrees with us now with us now. Infant baptism and a whole lot about so anyway Gala Artsy sprawled on John MacArthur Steve Lawson votive welcome. You know those are some of the well. No names Fill Johnson's great preacher expert and excellent excellent preacher. And there's some no names that you know my pastor Jim. Osman Alexa play in go to knob spell. Because I I know you won't Kuni Church Dot Org. That's the church that my wife and our part of until we moved recently to Montana K- it's K- ot Oh ot in a church DOT org. Jim Osmond's master very good friend of mine and I tell you. He's one of the best preachers I've ever hurt take nobody knows about him and there's a ton of breaches out there like that. By the way I'm appreciative. I love the big names. You know the big named guys I appreciate on the love them. They're good good guys and I'll tell you what. There's a ton of preachers out there. That are just as good just those good. They're just not no uh not tell you I really have a heart for these gusts. Jim Osmond has one. And you know it's But anyway go to Kuni Church Not Oregon. He's going through Hebrews right right now. It is fantastic. I would I would add to that Justin Peters excellent excellent exit of scripture. But let me give you. Encouragement urge me. You know who's the best pastor to listen to yours your pastor a lot of people supplement. Were they here on Sunday with someone here on radio five six days a week and your pastors the one who is pouring. He's the one who spending ending time or should be at least pouring into your life pouring into to having to help you know God's word for he's the one pouring in that you would be growing in your spiritual knowledge in your in your spirit maturity he the one. You should be listening into the most so I would say your pastor is who should be. The most star Spinner Anil radio now first first time someone on facebook so he tries to counter burned over. District's those are fun So this probably the last the question for the evening Maybe not both the James White supports Michael Brown. What does that make him? False teacher or confused. Now I'm just really curious to your answer to that spot a no pressure but I. I can't help. They asked you would you. Would you like to Charlie early Charleston's questions instead. Oil His his nonsense. He's coming up with. He's allowing. I've not I've had very very little all time of bear very little time. One with docker wide James White so it's hard to say I'm not talking about it I don't I don't get it. I'm sorry a blonde SPA. That's a you know I think that's I think. And I think this is like you and I had talked about this in the past. And I think that he's got is a blind align spot that people have when you're friends with someone you you can have a blind spot and overlook Areas is that you disagree or overlook things that you should say to them and you don't And so the the reality is that You know that is something we have to be aware of you guys here watch regularly know Matt Slick and I disagree on lots of things There's things people have asked me. Well I call that out on it publicly. I have no need to 'cause I call things out to him privately. That's that's where it should be handled. I areas where he and I disagree. Don't have to be And I I just wish I wish that James White would be saying. Hey I talked to Michael privately about things. I disagree with You know and we do handle it so Unfortunately I'm not hearing that. There's this one probably neural. Think of Urban Omar. You're going to bring them up so rod right asks. I'd like to know Justin source for Benny Hens conjuring up the ghost of Catherine. Kuma on Kathryn Kuhlman was a faith healer in the Sixty S at fifty sixty seventy S. Pretty well recognized. He was responsible for ending at least one marriage and manifestly unqualified to do what she was doing. A false teacher been in Kathryn. Kuhlman was Benny Hands Model and ministry. They never met. She died shortly before for they were I think he never met her personally but he went up trump getting. I'm just looking for Mr Finney. So we do her. We're He went to her meetings. And if you look at old film of Kathryn Kuhlman in Watch Benny Hinn today. They're basically the same person. Kathryn Kuhlman more white dress. He wears a white suit or used to anyway. Dory's only it's in his book. I believe it's I believe leave that account. That story is in good morning. Holy Spirit okay. I think that it's in my master's thesis seizes our road. It's been a long time. Some pretty sure. Good Morning Holy Spirit. I can tell you the paged and have to look it up. Okay so just a a pastor. Armand just started watching Armand two minutes left and you come into this so all right so I know he's very his he not only him. His family is great. The kids are like hoping I by the way for New Year's Eve. I got a New Year's Eve. Gift his little son actually said more more than two words to me. Three I got three. We're we're working on. I said but next time I walked five. That's that's the goal so let me end it this way If you guys want to join just an I like for like two whole weeks You can do that when we go to. Israel in March of twenty twenty one were both going Dr Semesters going going and doing some speaking as well and you could join us it. Just go to twenty twenty one Israel trip trip dot com twenty twenty one Israel trip dot com. And that's where you could get all the details. It is yes it's expensive but the the thing is is that We it's covers basic everything but I think lunch I think one of the lunches is covered. 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I was there with a family that was trying to bring me back into judy or bring all of us back into Judaism very different circumstance. But we'll be going together and it's going to be a lot of fun. It's going to be a one of those once in a lifetime experiences. So if you can do it we'd love to have you come with us and join us And sort so to close out. Go to Justin Peters Dot Org checkout everything Justin has be going. They're clicking on it every day. Waiting for the new Website Click Click. Click Click and subscribe to dedicate. Yes since none of you could spell. Get Your podcast APP and Search Justin Peters and you'll find it that way Anything you WANNA NISA before we close out no thank. Thank all of you for watching and your questions is encouraging for me and all that kind comments and Enjoyed -joyed God. Bless you all so Thanks for watching next week. I don't know what we're GONNA next week. 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Costi Hinn Interviews, Part 2

"Welcome to did a game where we are studying to show ourselves approved rightly the word of truth so we can worship God in spirit and truth deepening our knowledge of God thereby enabling us to deepen our love should your church conference you may contact at Justin Peters Day's program if by some chance you did not I am interviewing custody Hin H. I. N. Yes as in that absolutely thanks Justin so yeah I'm I'm trying to be some big baseball player and not very good but I'm not a good to get to know custody and hear about his testimony which he is now sharing with you I asked him if he would be willing to be interviewed for my radio up and and Kosti where you left off yesterday you were at d. Bu and very much warning to be a baseball player and At this time you are already working for your Uncle Benny and driving a Hummer h two school and of course like you said my coach is telling us about God's sovereignty in I'd already worked for alkyl Danny I was driving homer and I was thinking awfully where we left off yesterday Kasey so pick back up there forest brother in continue to tell us about God's working in your life finds you and your family doing well and I want to thank you for joining me for today's installment of the program I hope that you heard yesterday uh real Christian mayonnaise talking about God's sovereignty and You your sentiment was well how do I get on the good good at least in those seats were planted like we talked about and I graduate definitely did not go on to play professional baseball I was just thankful to have in our struck by what you said about how you heard one of your coaches talking about God's sovereignty this was a Christian may an apparent Hin Kosti called me December thirty th of last year two thousand sixteen so just a little over a month ago as of this record and oddly enough my family starts calling me a Baptist and the joke in my family with my dad and my mom and my uncle and others was tide of God's sovereignty so God was God was not the end he was a means to in the end in the end in the Prosperity Gospel is not God mink and left me a voicemail and just could not believe what I was hearing we made contact with one another just a couple of days later and Spin Blah hours on the phone together and we've spoken on the phone a number of times since then and just I can't tell you what a blessing it is for me goodness you're responsible then for for us taking a little hit back then things were played for a great program and been apart Dallas Baptist University in the baseball team there and so I begin to feel a compulsion to go into ministry and program and share with you the things that he has already shared with me and he began that yesterday telling us some about his was growing audits health and wealth and God is basically just a conduit to to give you those things and so that's right kind of expressing myself to my dad and my family in a very you know can't we all just get along kind of way into ministry together but I'm getting set for the big time and God's GonNa do it all for me of course because of faith that he will in so I'd grown up a lot during my call stuff but it has to match the Bible so my team that changed from of course when I was young and I wholeheartedly supported whatever we did too maybe not do all the weird stuff so people would actually WANNA come to our church now because the church had done does down and it was just honey if you go back and watch it the Fifth Estate Yeah I'm I'm one of the guys they interviewed Asian technically charismatic. I'm open to all this stuff but it's not even real turn but let's say I'm on the biblical you know Kosti went to Dallas Baptist so he doesn't speak in tongues anymore and he doesn't believe in the gifts and they would tease me and I I used to tell them listen I believe in all that you was bad press to be in at that point my dad was traveling the world and my uncle was very famous around that what year was this stop doing you know hearing services elected instant healing and then stopped teaching things that aren't in the Bible and then in a way we're looking at about two thousand nine two thousand ten okay he's not packing stadiums as beautiful home on the beach here in San Juan Capistrano Dana Point area and in our house in Canada I met just the most beautiful girl my world was much got point in America and the momentum is lost while I'm in college Dateline Cessation Escanaba continues to that point I'm just a I just if if it's in the Bible let's do that so stop talking in tongues unless you can interpret bring your home to meet my parents after keeping her a bit of a secret for a long time and here's the reason why I wanted to be conservative hungry for the word to know more about God and just a a moral wonderful woman so I kind of blow the roof off this thing and see what happens so you know I bring your home and just like I predicted I had three I've met this gal but you probably know having to go with this my parents had one question does she speak and that was that was back in two thousand four I think it was but anyway I digress I'm sorry go ahead it just jog my memory in California when I was living out here our family had multiple homes and so naturally the Prosperity Gospel we had multiple homes and so kings declined a little bit and maybe it wasn't as much of the economy as it was you coming out with your material I don't know it's just changed forever I wanted to marry her and she's a new convert and was graduating from his US Pacific University she's in the nursing program loathing the day that I have to introduce her to my parents but knowing that I can't go into ministry I can't keep moving forward with her relationship I can't do this properly at all unless I just point because there's no greater motivation for evangelism and for Biblical passion than a young Christian man saying yeah or for other mystical reasons because they hear from God didn't he he reveals plans and I use pastor in flash associate pastor in already tried my hand in business you know I tried to get well the I tried to do all sorts of things that I thought the big driver so I'm just head over heels I wanNA marry her nothing's GonNa stop me and so I go to the word and she the parents are saying I can't marry her they're using scriptures that I know are proper I'm going to study this thing and prove them wrong and I'm going to marry this girl love is a very okay just didn't think that she's my wife and then of course my parents their view is going to be she's not spirit filled doesn't speak intelligence even saved and I'm going to my Bible at this I am there and I just thought this is she's the most meek and wonderful and God fearing young woman's Disney convert like I said but just actually decided to me one time when we were at a service in bless her Heart Justin g tried so hard to speak in tongues brother I'll tell you she did the just people had just had enough and so in light of that I wanted to go into ministry my dads church in Canada so I on his I see we hadn't even talked about this at least I don't think we did you know I was interviewed for that Fifth Estate Benelux years obviously a lot of this stuff is in decline and people in America are starting to get fed up you know the you've offending parents not being able to marry me if she doesn't do something that they think she should donor all fears in her mind so she no no it at the same time I thought this is wrong something is off here this can't be normal and yeah I was about to say that spirit filled is she spirit filled right I'm secretly okay I'm in college during those years anyway so that two thousand four two thousand five into that Bowie nine that what's he funnels me in his plan unfolding in my life as I enter supposed- Ministry with my dad and I had met this wonderful beautiful girl her and that was she tried so hard finally one day I said what did you feel she goes nothing pressured experiencing our thinking but what a true spirit filled person is thinking that this isn't biblical this is man made this is a show this is just about that so you know I would do and God just funneled me. In obviously providential early in his sovereignty to ministries audit itself it was was soft but also breaking 'cause I saw her trying I felt you know she's so wonderful trying to do this maybe thrill you know do what comes tip of your tongue or her hands and just say just begin to exercise your faith and I remember looking at her and like just saying that at jog my memory in but yeah so anyway I mean that was before even I'd come to a true understanding of the Gospel in place of g we went to ministry and here we are so well so it was her after trying to speak in tongues and trying to impress my family please them of course in her mind you gotta remember Hinz and so she's just scared to death around the same time and said hey would you be willing to come and take a position with us here in California then pay much but maybe you'd want to I am in their tower I really do love Christ I really am his child and this stuff that they're pulling at working on me and so I as a part time youth pastor Mary this Gal that didn't speak in Kong's but she loved the word of God and on urge that we're at now and on staff with needed a part time youth pastor docked in this is thousand

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Justin Peters and Word of Faith

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Justin Peters and Word of Faith

"Welcome to Romans road. The podcast of me Eddie. Roman this is where we talk about. Vandalism and apologetic then all kinds of Christian stuff today. I'm coming at you from within the Great Corona virus plague. I'm hidden away safely. I have a interview today with Justin. Peters Justin Peters is a man who has done a lot of teaching and investigating on the subject of the health and wealth movement. Some call it the name it and claim it basically the teaching out there that says if you have enough faith in God he will give you what you want. Be that wealth or health or basically solving all your problems and so people in this movement would be guys like Kenneth Copeland and Bethel church up in Redding California. They're kind of like the new version of of this movement and as I go on my facebook recently. I'm seeing a lot more of this kind of teaching out there. So for instance an article. Not Too long ago. It said Charismatic preacher Kenneth Copeland tries to heel corona virus through the TV screen. And you might have seen this video really creepy looking guy. He is a tried and true. False teacher been around for a long time scandal. A Lotta people. He still manages to rip people off all the time and so his latest thing as he is looking at the TV screen and he's got his hand up and he's basically saying if you touch my hand through the TV screen. You will be healed of the corona virus so Not sure they're going to him from hospitals yet to ask him to help them out. But so yeah. So Kenneth Copeland is a You know well known false teacher. Unfortunately he is also believed to be a real teacher of some sort by lots and lots of people and then another article on the Sacramento Bee. So this is S. A. C. B. E. DOT COM SEC be dot com a recent article of. There's a headline California mega church cancel services and trips to local hospitals to faith. Heal the sick and this is talking about Bethel Church and reading and think about that headline so. The church is canceling their trips to the hospital to heal sick people because of the crow virus. Some kind of wrong there you know if if if these people really have the power to heal the sick all the time then. What's a little Virus GonNa do. Stop them so anyway. Articles like this just kind of prove the ridiculousness of people who claim that they have power from God to heal people whenever they want and this kind of thing so anyway this is the faith movement the health and wealth of Prosperity Gospel and so. I thought this would be an appropriate time to unleash this interview with Justin. Peters I actually recorded this a couple of months ago but Now is better time than any to release this if you are not a Christian and you see articles like this where you have all these people like Benny Hinn and Kenneth Copeland Joel osteen all these different people who claim that if you believe in their version of God their version of Bible teaching if you believe that if you have enough faith and you're going to get what you want whether it be money or health or whatever and you look at the looking at the stuff and you're saying this is kind of hard to believe. Well it is hard to believe. It's not true it's unbelievable. The Bible actually talks a lot about false teachers. Jesus Christ himself talked a lot about wolves in sheep's clothing in their desire isn't for your good. It's for your money. It's for your destruction all kinds of things like that. So so yes. These teachers do exist. Yes they do. Call themselves Christian teachers they actually use the name of Jesus bought. Unfortunately they are wolves chiefs clothing. And we're going to let Justin tell us more about that. Just two quick technical note this was recorded in the middle of a convention hall during a conference for the most part. The people in the background aren't too noticeable but at times they got pretty annoying. But anyway you'll be able to get through that. The first thing I mentioned is an experienced I had with a faith movement person. I wanted to get Justin S- thoughts on that so I asked my question and he took it away from there so here we go more often. The NAH I will run into someone who agrees with me in all the main doctrinal points of Christianity but they will be very into something else you know I was. I was preaching a little while ago and I was at the bottom. I was kind of next to appear next to me. There's this big huge structure and this lady's their opener preaching. She's a many. She's agreeing with me and then at the end of it she says Do you do any miracles? And so I said no. I don't I don't and she said well. You should be able to do miracles because because Jesus said we're supposed to be able to do these things and I have seen that kind of thing in certain areas if I know there's like a big pentecostal church around all kind of see more. There's people around there but you know this is something that you are dealing with all the time and so for the people who are listening. Who might not be familiar with your your seminar yet. The teachings done. Can you give us just a little? A little overview of what it is you do. I have a seminar. That's entitled Clouds Without Water. Which is a reference in the book of Jude Verse Twelve? It's one of the ways that he refers to false teachers. The picture that Ju- draws is that false teachers have the appearance of having some nourishment but none ever falls from them. They they leave the ground below them dry in parts but my seminar deals specifically with what's called the word of faith movement that's the proper term given to a movement that's more commonly known as the health and Wealth Gospel the Prosperity Gospel Naming and claiming Gospel. The teaching that. If you are a Christian it is always God's will for you to be wealthy and it's always God's will for you to be physically healed You should never be sick or if you do get sick then. Physical healing is guaranteed. As long as you have enough faith as long as you sow a seed in some preachers ministry. So you can reap harvest As long as you make the right positive confessions. Then you can activate hailing God obligated to respond to whatever you confess The money that you so and It's our it's our birthright if you will as Christians to be wealthy into be healed It's led by people such as Benny Hinn. Kenneth Goi Copeland Jesse duplantis dollar Joseph Prince Joyce Meyer Joel Osteen. These are just some of the more prominent names and and Unfortunately Eddie this stuff was created here in the United States we in the United States of America. We created this this false gospel and we have now exported it to the rest of the world and it is the face of Christianity around much of the world today. Now for many of us we've seen tbn we've seen different channels where you know. It almost becomes like a comedy among Biblical Christians and they see these things that kind of joke about it. 'cause stuff is so outrageous that people could possibly believe this stuff yet for a lot of people. It's not a joke. This is a real experience and I know for you. You came out of a background and you actually. We're we're in a time of you in your life where this was a very personal real thing to you. Can you tell us about that? Yeah I was born and reared in southern Baptist Church That's mob the logical background. I suppose but when I was at a teenager a neighbor of mine came up to me by the way I guess I should preface I. I have several palsy. I was born with cerebral Palsy Walk on crutches and use a scooter for long distances but When I was a teenager this neighbor of mine came up and he said Justin God has spoken to me and he's told me that he's going to heal you. Wow as long as you have enough faith how did that make you feel Well you know I I had no I thought I was Christian at the time I wasn't but but when I hear this guy say God spoke to me. I didn't have a biblical theological framework to say. Now wait a minute are no. He didn't right I just thought he did. I thought that God spoke to this guy and He told me about a faith healer. Who is coming to my hometown named Nora? Lam L. E. M. Chinese lady who's dead now but I was very very expectant on. I wanted to be healed. I wanted to be free of my cerebral palsy. And free of my crutches here wanted to be able to run and jump and play like all the other kids you know and do do those kind of things so I was very hopeful about it and Long story short went to see Norrland Fully expecting to be healed and obviously it was not he'll so that was my first exposure to the movement and Let me also say real quickly. Though that some have made the accusation against me that the the reason that I do these seminars is because of that like a revenge revenge yeah bidder of I get that a lot but I I think I can honestly say that. Nothing could be further from the truth. I understand now that I'm actually am and I have a much healthier understanding of the sovereignty of God Healthier Theology of human suffering and the purpose behind that that There's not a bitter bone in my body about not being healed I accept this. God's good providence in my life It is it what he is decreed and His grace is sufficient for me is strength is made perfect in weakness and in if I have to live the rest of my life with several palsy. It's okay you know. I've got all of eternity to live without it. Well the amazing thing and the sad thing about the faith movement. These teachers you you. You listed as they present a view of Christianity that basically says any kind of suffering is out of place and he kinda suffering shouldn't be there and so in in that kind of theological background. It would make sense that if you're sick or any any kind of things wrong with you. It should be healed. That's the way things should be. But when you study the Bible for yourself and just read what it says you find a very different picture. You find suffering if you find suffering all over the Bible yes and it is. It is part of the fallen world we live in so so that alone is just. I think the big tragedy of this this movement in that it doesn't allow normal people who have their faith in God to just go through the normal suffering that happens in in human life that's right told tragedy that's right so so obviously you're someone who comes from a background it's more than just. L. Let's make fun of these crazy people on TV. This was a personal thing. Just from hanging around the the exhibits arena. I've met people who kind of looked over at unit. That's Justin Peters and I learned this this this woman. I've actually talked just yesterday. I talked to a couple of people who basically were saying that because of your teaching they came out of the faith movement. And so. That's that's A. That's a beautiful thing. How often do you talk to people who are still in it and going through it and dealing with this stuff all the time Eddie All the time now here at this conference llosa's doctorate sound convert so we don't really have a lot of people. Walking around that. Are that are following Benny Hen or Joel. Osteen here but tons and tons of people. Tell me that they were in it. God delivered them out of it. And that's what you would expect from a Christian. A Christian can be in serious error for a season. But once he sees the truth from God's word if he's truly regenerate he's GonNa been the need to that truth And and God pulls people out of that deception of the Holy Spirit is not a weakling if he's strong enough to save us a strong enough to deliver his out of deception. Yeah I mean all the time. I get emails every single day now Eddie from people all over the world that Tell me that God by his good graces in providence have has pulled him out of this deception you know and now just so. I don't forget if someone wants to get a hold of your your conference that's on DVD or any kind of your teaching. Where can they go? You have a website. Yeah they can go to my website. Justin Peters Dot Org. Okay Justin Peters Dot Oregon I feel kind of funny about the name of our website. I promise I'm not trying to be narcissistic. I'm just not I is Eddie. Roman DOT COM. Oh I feel better now. I can relate so whether you have friends and family in this in this movement or not. So what what what do you call? I called the faith movement. What do you call this? Yeah Oh the technical term word of faith but I usually say word faith or okay New Apostolic Reformation. That's kind of a twin movement toward a faith. It's and really what we're seeing today. Is that word of faith in a are are just blending together. Just kind of becoming one monolithic stream. Ar It seems. I kind of look at it as an old heresy in new wrappings with new graphics and just kind of more catering toward the younger crowd. You know so. So yeah whether you have someone that you know personally in this movement or not you need to get Justin's materials and check this out because this will affect you at some point if you talk to people because it's growing and there are probably people around you who are in this very sad and yet very important for Christians to be ready to help. People Guide them out of this movement suggestion. One thing I'd like to do here is tell you about an experience. I had when I was out witnessing and I'm going to get back to this peer story. I started talking about a little bit at the beginning. I don't WanNa go through it and just get your take on why she would believe the things she said. And this this kind of thing so I get done preaching a sermon. And there's a big pierced next to me. I'm the way it's set up You're you're on the kind of on the street. And then there's a peer next so you're right next to the base of it and this lady she you know applauds my little sermon. I did there on on the street and then she asked me why. Why don't you do any miracles? And I didn't know what to say. So what is she thinking? So I'm a Christian in her eyes. I just preached a Gospel Message. And she's thinking whereas America's like is it she would say that yeah well She's clearly been influenced by word of faith. And my guess is she's probably in it. Hook Line sinker from what she's saying but see has the same basic fundamental. Herman flaw that the word faith New Apostolic Reformation Bill Johnson Bethel Hill Song. All these guys make they take things that they see that are described in the Bible and they think that all of those things are prescribed and not everything that is descriptive is prescriptive. I believe that everything that is recorded in scripture as having happened happened. I believe the Red Sea parted. I believe that God made a donkey talk. But you know what those things are described. But they're not prescribed I. I haven't seen any red parting sees today. I haven't seen any talking donkeys today if you have seen any talking donkeys. You probably need to spend some time. He's in chapter five and lay off the sides. These things happen but they're not considered they're not supposed to be normative. They're not supposed to be Prescribed as normative the apostles had the ability to perform signs and wonders. They had the apostolic gifts To Be Apostle you had to meet three requirements. You had to be a first person eyewitness of Jesus. He had to see. Jesus Reyes from the dead. You had to be directly appointed by Christ to be an apostle and you had to have the ability to perform the signs and wonders of an Apostle heal the sick on occasion. Raise the dead young cast out demons. The apostles did these things Eddie but Christians at large did not do them not even in in the in the Apostolic Age. You don't see believers at large going around performing signs and wonders in fact you can look at acts chapter to acts Chapter Five. Both of these chapters say that the paraphrase here the both of the tax mini signs and wonders. Were taking place at the hands of the apostles among the people So you don't see Christians. At Large. In general performing signs and wonders postles did And just a couple of exceptions of that with With Stephen in Philip. But that power was conferred onto them by the apostle. So but we're well past the Apostolic Age. There are no more apostles today and if there are no more apostles today than there are no more apostolic gifts today right now as I say that I want to be careful. I do believe that God heals people today but only when it is his sovereign well-to-do. So but I do not believe that somebody actually anyone. Today possesses the gift of healing. Those are two different things. This is a good thing to clarify. What would be the difference so there? I believe healings still happen today. As as do you buy what the difference between God healing someone and someone having the gift of healing what what is? What's the difference so if if someone had the real apostolic gift of healing which they don't but let's just have fun here? If they did they would be able to go up to a sick person. With one hundred percent success instantly verifiably. He'll that person right on the spot. No psychosomatic healing no gradual healing over time. Grad slow recovery know a real healing. So it'd be like what you see in the Bible based it would be what you see in the Bible people cone up behind the apostles trying to touch them just because they know they're going to get right right. Yeah you see them. You would see them raising the debt. Nobody's doing that today. Nobody's doing now. You know this is such a great thing to know not just towards the faith movement but also sometimes an atheist will be criticizing you and making fun of you say why. Why can't you only? And there's actually an argument out there among atheists. Why doesn't God heal amputees with but just knowing this I mean it just? It's such a simple explanation. It is yeah. It is prescriptive versus de script. That's just a great concept to have with everything in the Bible. You know if the error is thinking since so and so did this in the Bible that means God wants me to do that. Same thing too and like you said. Nobody's parting the Red Sea's today because I was a one time event first specific purpose and we shouldn't assume that God's going to allow us to do those same drains that's right yeah and tangential to that are related to that Off I hear charismatic. Oh will Jesus is the same yesterday today and forever. So if he healed people in the New Testament New Testament his ministry of the apostles healed and Jesus has not changed then. The same thing that Jesus did in the states should be happening today. The GOTCHA got you without one Yeah Oh yeah. I've heard that many times but that's that's bad logic because they're logic breaks down very quickly in with a very big in clear and obvious example. Okay he's the same yesterday today and forever so he does not God does not change so you know we should be doing things that were happening in Biblical Days Right. All right Are we still sacrificing animals? He's the same yesterday today and forever great does not change well. They were slaughtering millions of animals in the Old Testament. Why aren't we doing that today? Can we still not mixed fabrics in our clothing and all that Yummy just ad Infinitum here? So it's their logic. Breaks down what they don't understand is at Yes it is true that God does not change Christ does not change immutability of Christ immutability of God. But God's revelation has progressed and through the centuries culminating in the person of Christ so it's not that God himself has changed his character and his nature's on change unchanging but his revelation has progressed. You know that's why we're no longer doing animal sacrifices and the all these old testament laws and rituals and things and feasts and festivals. We no longer have to keep an observe his revelations progress fundamental harm neutral. Error that That charismatics may we'll even with the miracles of Jesus and the disciples wasn't the purpose of those to mark the coming of the Messiah. It's right so I'm GONNA move on with my my lady at the Pierre Story so that was kind of found foundations. Or you know I I said I don't do miracles and then and then I basically said well. We don't do miracles anymore because Jesus has already come. I'm not here doing trying to do miracles to mark the sign of his his coming by very quickly. She basically started saying well. According to the Bible we should be able to do whatever we want. We should be able to move mountains right and and so I actually asked her. I said there's one over there I did. I said there's a mountain over there Can you move it and then I looked around. I said actually I don't see him out and I said how about this. Peer this peer standing next to me. Can you move it? And she kind of looked at it and I said I will get a piece of chalk and mark where the base of the peer is. I just want you move over an inch. You don't have to move it much and she actually said I don't WanNa do that. 'cause there's a lot of people around here and I don't want to hurt anybody actually said that. Wow and and then I basically just stuck on that I said you really picky could move move that and then after the law she goes well. I don't think the Bible's really talking about moving stuff literally and it was. It was interesting because one minute. She was very adamant. And then the next minute it was like because if it was if the first time in her life she had actually thought about. It's like well maybe it doesn't really really mean that. Now that's a verse. That's another verse that they use. You know we can move mountains so I I know you had to deal with that one. Probably a million times saw. So how does the faith faith movement use that verse? Yeah well it yeah. They use that as as basically a blank check. You know whatever you speak to Will will come into physical reality. You can create your your own reality by the words that you speak this is doctrine of confession but in that same context from Jesus talks about moving them out and he says whatever. You ask Whatever you ask in prayer believing you'll receive. The context of that is prayer. We're when we ask for things prayerfully when we go to God in prayer and ask for things that are in his will they will be given to us when we pray for things that are within God's will they are granted to us. This is not a blank Jag. It's not saying you can speak to whatever mountain is in your life and and It is obligated to obey your words. That's not at all. The whole context of that is prayer going to God in prayer. When we pray for things that are within his will God will grant him if we pray for things that are not within his will. Guess what. It's not gonNA give them so so. The Great Commission isn't for all Christians got into the world and move every huge object. You can find on a just a bit. Just keeping that in mind. According to his will I mean that that really is the key and yes? I've actually seen faith teachers. Say things like to say it has to be done. According to God's will that's wrong right yeah and I know I hear this all the time Eddie you and they say you should never pray if it be. I will well. Jesus did if it be. Your will let this Cup pass from me. That's a good example. Dafalla James did go to James Chapter. Four James. Now have in front of me right now at paraphrasing here James said come now you say we will go to this city and do business in Make a profit. He says you don't even know what your life has tomorrow. Rather you should say if the Lord Wills we will go to this or that city and do business make a profit. Yeah so I mean James. Right there says No. Don't don't presume don't presume upon God's say if the Lord Wills we will do such and such. Wow so Jesse. Know it's it's. It's very easy for Christians who are reading the Bible to find all these errors. It's pretty simple actually yet when you live in that when you raised like you when you raised in and you have this this nice person come to you and they generally want. WanNa see you healed and and you're in the middle of all that it's very easy to just think this way so why I don't want to do is to give people listening this the idea that. Oh you know if I know these verses I can just shut these people down and show them that the wrong. Yeah we're definitely supposed to refute error but the more important issue is these are people these are. These are God's created people who are lost. Maybe they're caught up in some false teaching and when I talked to someone my goal isn't just a to shut them down. Make them look stupid. Show them that the wrong. I want this person to come out of this teaching and to to find the truth the truth of God's work so knowing that you talk to people in these situations all the time what is it just kind of in general that you point them to or or how do you. How do you help a person to just be begin seeing the error of the teaching and just pointing towards the Truth of the Gospel? Yeah any one of the things I like to do with people I start with something very simple and very concrete For example physical healing. If I'm talking to someone who's in this movement or influenced one degree or another by it. I'll say do you believe that? It's always God's will be physically healed in if they're in this movement one hundred percent of the time they'll say yes because that's the theology. Yeah I say okay. So you believe it's always God's Willoughby he'll and then I'll go and I'll show very simple clear. Cut Examples of faithful servants of God. Who were sick in the Bible in the Bible? Yeah that's Great. Ex- chapter four verse. Eleven God said Moses who has made man's mouth who makes him dumb or death or seeing or blind as it not I the Lord Elisha Second Kings Chapter Thirteen Elisha died of an illness. David was afflicted David was sick. Timothy take a little wine for your stomach and you frequence the Apostle Paul himself and I don't even go to the Thornton Flash. Second Corinthians Twelve I go to glacier chapter four the thorn in the flesh that could be taken and I personally don't even think the thorn in the flesh was a physical illness. I don't think that that anyway. Okay but go flip. Over to Glacier. Chapter four verse. Thirteen Paul says. But you know that it was because of a bodily illness that I came and preach the Gospel to you the first time persona. They're very clear. Yeah in fact just a few weeks ago a couple of months ago I was at Andrew Woman. He's another prosperity preachers at his Kerris Bible College now talking to a young man. There named Tom and I I had this conversation with this. Is I ask people to to look at these tags because I just want to get a feel for how willing they are to been there nita scripture and I asked Tom Saint Question. Tom D- believe it's always God's will be heal yes of course so I had him flip over to exodus chapter four verse eleven. I said please read that. He just stared at it and I'm going to paraphrase here I went to. I went to Galatian chapter four. He didn't like that went to glacier for verse thirteen. I said Tom read that. He just stared at it now. He's holding his own Bible. He was sitting there reading his own Bible. And I I said Tom what does that say and he just sat. There stared at it silently and so I read it. I said Tom Right here. Paul says that he had a bodily. Yomas and Tom Finally looked up at me. He said to me he said that's what you say. Why all know Tom? That's that's not what I say. That's what the Bible says. That's what you say Eddie. I literally could not get him to admit that what he was reading in. The Bible was actually in the Bible and it was his own Bible. I mean he literally could not admit that what he was reading was actually there and so all of that to say if someone is not going to bend their need to what they see in plain black and white right in front of him right out of God's word there's no other card to play that's that's that is that is it that is that's it you know there. There's nothing else you can do. Talk about. The weather talked about. Who won the ball game? But if they're not going to be in their native scripture. There's no other card to players nowhere else to go from there however if you get a response more like wow well you know. I've never really thought about that before. I I'm not sure you know if you sense a little tenderness if he wants a little willingness on the part of that person to to have their theology corrected from scripture. That's good that's what you want to see and you get that response. I do as well and I get. I get both of those responses. Yeah but I I do get that absolutely so one of the main things you do. You show them places in the Bible where it's very clear that a servant of God someone their faith in the true and living God. They were sick you know. It's not a guaranteed thing. You're going to be healed. What would be another thing you do to to kind of try to get people out there? Yeah and like I say that's just that's just a little kind of diagnostic thing again to kind of see where they are so if they are willing to do that then we're going to go into some deeper things and we're going to talk about. I'm GonNa Give This Person The Gospel. I wanted to see if they understand what the Gospel really is. What repentance really is Christians looking at people in these different movements we miss that step? We just assume this person is Christian but there are a little bit confused on this issue you know and so we miss just a very basic step one question. Is this person even a Christian? It's a lot of cases. I found that they're not the reason they are acting like an unsafe. Person is because they're an unsafe person. That's right so I think that's that's great wisdom just to want to do the diagnostic. See basically see how willing they are to look at scripture. Then you take him to the most important thing in scripture which is a jobs bill and and I gave Tom The Gospel as I left him. he never said another word to me. After that I but I gave him the Gospel he was planning on enrolling at Care S- Bible College This was in October. Actually when I was talking to him so he told me he's GonNa be enrolling this semester and I pleaded with him. I said Tom. Please don't please don't and he just stared out the window and I left so I don't know why So did you go to this college in your outside trying to talk to people or what? What were you doing? I was preaching at a church in the area and Since we were so close to cares we went in. I just wanted to see the facility so I just go in on my scooter. You know and I'm two around in there and Boy You just can't imagine how massive this this facility is unbelievable. And so I. I wanted to talk to some people and I talked to. Several of the students asked invited them to come to my seminar. The detergent town and None of them did. The weather was really bad a lot of big lizard but none Kenny. Couldn't they just bring one of their professors and just make the weather go away because some of them teach that too? Yeah they do. Yeah they do. They teach that you can control the weather but They they have. They have very little luck at doing. So you know I. I watched your win clouds without water. I watched it a while ago. I let someone Barra. I never saw it again. So if you're the Christian new borrowed that you need to give it back but anyway I watched that that video and even though I'd seen little things on throughout the years heard about Benny Hinn doing some crazy antics. When I watched your your video series I was shocked at the level of craziness and and just deception and claims that these teachers make about God. I mean they're they're part in there where where where the couple. They basically claimed that when they're flying in their jet They control the weather so they'll have a good flight. The WHO who was that. Yeah that's Kenneth Copeland Gloria Copeland technically one who said it but She and her husband both claim to be able to control the weather and But it's not just the Copeland's I've heard Jesse duplantis say he can do it. Pat Robertson believe it or not a couple years ago he tried to rebuke hurricane. That was coming in to the East Coast and so we actually talked about it before it came in. Yeah before I came in so what happened when when it didn't happen. Yeah I know. The hurricane came on in slapped predicting and They when stuff like that happens they just ignore it. They just pretend like it never happened. They just move on they. Just move on. Because that's that's one of the things I've always been fascinated with. They'll make these great claims of you know it's kind of like the people who predict the end of the world on this day it's GonNa end and then the next day they're like okay. Open your bibles to chapter whatever and it's like life just goes on like as if nothing happened. How is it and you coming from a background of this? At least you know when you were younger what what does a person in this movement. Think of when. They're promised something from their prophet or their teacher or the person who basically says if you do this then this will happen when it doesn't happen one they think and and what. I've seen a few people I've talked to. They basically think oh man that means. I'm not good enough. That means I don't have enough faith. Is that basically what happens? When people don't get their their amazing dreams fulfilled by the false teacher. What happens that's right. Yeah it's their fault Because if you begin with the premise that it is always God's will be healed a person prays for that healing for days weeks months some people for years some people for decades but the healing never comes then. The question is well whose fault is by definition. It can't be God's fallen Bhagat's I gotta be your so guess who's left cheerful. Somebody asked you this when you were when you were young Is that what she is? That how you took it like when this guy said if you go to the Miracle Healing Service and then you leave the next day you know. You're you're still the same. How did how did that affect you at that time? Yeah I did it. It It it threw me for a loop in fact even tried to. I was so expecting it to happen. And then it didn't happen. I even tried to convince myself. Oh a little something happened I I think I think I can. I think I can move my right hand a little bit better now. I was just grasping at straws thinking. Like certainly something happened But of course it didn't you know When when Jesus healed someone in the New Testament it was a full complete total irreversible irrefutable. The whole town was amazed. Yes right and Non Of this stupid psychosomatic stuff that we see from these faith. Healing Charlatans the one video that I've seen going around a lot is the guy who who's in in his what he calls evangelism. He's going up to people and saying you know. Do you have one leg shorter than the other light. Yeah and then he makes the thing grow using. I think it's like an old old school. Yeah trick it's an old trick. Yeah huckster have been doing that for for decades. Fifty seventy five years. They've been doing that. Maybe longer. Tons of people follow these. They fall for it. It's a total it's sleight of hand. It's just. He's slowly manipulating the angle of one of the feed. As compared to other one like he'll he'll pull the he'll out a little bit to make it look like it's growing or or even swinging the legs very slowly to to the side and I. There's there's kind of expose videos on YouTube. How he does this. But but it's it's total and so based on the fact that the person want so much to be healed just like you and your experience with well I think my thumbs moving a little bitter that kind of thing they just fall into a tight. That's right it's it's so sad when my wife and I when we were expecting one of our sons we have four boys and so I think it was on the fourth one We were expecting boy and one of my one of my wife's friends was asking her Do you want a boy or a girl and wife was like well? It'd be nice to have a girl I have no idea what that'd be like and this woman basically said well. Here's what you do you get you go out and buy a little red dress. You hang it inside of of the room that the kids are going to be the kids room and you just tell God that you want a girl and you will get a girl and we were just dumbfounded. I thought it was a joke. But then now she really thought that this lady in that movement and she was basically saying you can get what you want if you tell God what to do like to me. That's the most offensive part. Yeah we're telling God what to do. He's right that's right it's just. It's it's blasphemous it's crazy. Yeah and here in just in the last few weeks as of this recording you know the the whole Bethel thing with that little girl all of Who died girl? The girl is all over the news where yeah girl at a church. She is and the people in this church. Bethel basically was one of the leaders who said. Let's pray for her that God would raise her from the dead. Yeah so I'm sure you were following. That story what happened there. Yeah this little girl Two years old or so tragically died the girl. Little Girl's mother Callie. I I think I'm saying this right highly. Gall was there last night but Kelly is one of the lead singers on in Bethel music that comes Bethel Church Bethel music so wildly popular these. Yeah and Beth Laura in Redding California okay. So she's one of the leading singers and Bethel music and so since he was kind of in a place of leadership in the church. You know this became a big deal. Her their little toddler little girl died so they started having a series of meetings where they were literally Eddy. They were they. Were not just asking God to raise little olive from the dead. They were actually commanding. All live to come up out of the graving. See this on Youtube video of it. They have this chant. Olive come out of the grave. Come out of the grave in Jesus Name Olive Come. Out of the grave. They're literally it's they weren't humbly asking that I mean he resigned. Twenty-seven pointing man wants to dine in your judgment. If somebody dies I I've never asked God to raise anybody from the death. Yeah you just believe God's word you just believe is already trust in his providence and sovereignty when someone dies their their dad and they go to wherever. They're you know prepared to go but I mean that would that would be weird enough but that they they took it a step beyond they weren't asking God. They were commanding just like Jesus commanded Lazarus come forth. They were doing that to olive expecting it to happened and of course it did. That's tragic you just like first of all that is that is weird. You know for it and so much the stuff that comes out of Bethal. It resembles something more attuned to some weird new age ritual. That happens out in the desert somewhere to some weird stuff yeah And yet this is something that happened this was all over the the American news like PTO unbelievers all over. The world are writing at this. And I'm sure some of our thinking is going to raise this kid or not like. Is this really going to happen? Is it stopped in their mind. Is this stuff really true? And yet here's this I'm biblical group doing a totally UN biblical thing. And of course they didn't get the result. They they wanted because it was the whole thing was just off a million different. Oh Yeah and you just think about the people who were in that church who are wailing and commanding this girl to to rise from the dead and making their demands on God like when it didn't happen what are they thinking so many of them think well something wrong happened. We'RE GONNA go ahead and keep on believing this this stuff but I'm sure a lot of them are like am I in the right place and you know and what what a what a horrible horrible thing and yet this is. The kind of person does the kind of situation you're dealing with all all the time and so so many people here in this conference me included. Just really appreciate the work that you're doing. It's an important work. It's a messy work because when you start getting into people's lives and seeing all these relationships you get a lot of opposition. I'm sure you've had a lot of people who don't exactly love you. Don't exactly has list. We really just appreciate what you're doing again. If you're listening this I would encourage you. Please go to the easiest website to remember for Justin Peters and that's Justin Peters Dot Com. Check out or ORG. I'm glad you're here to direct my error. Justin Peters Dot Org man just an ice. WanNa thank you so much for coming on this podcast and I just wish you. All the best in your. There's a squeaky chair here. Let's it's been dry. I if if we had an a faith that squeak would just begun as we were heretics at is back. Anyway I just WanNa thank you so much for coming on the show and again if you haven't heard Justin's material yet you gotta get a hold of it and if you have if you're expecting a child don't put a red dress in your closet. 'cause it ain't going to do anything so again. Justin thanks so much for coming Eddie. I appreciate you present you brother. Thank you for your work and I love you guys at living waters and keep it. 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Santa Pause, Part 6

Christian Podcast Community

23:07 min | 1 year ago

Santa Pause, Part 6

"The word of truth so we can worship God in spirit and truth deepening our knowledge of God thereby enabling us to deepen our love welcome to did a game where we are studying to show ourselves approved rightly and you make contact and Justin Peters without Christmas but we still do Santa's no big deal it's interesting how defensive how defensive they get and how quickly they Hannah we never taught our children to believe in Santa in that seemed to bring a lot of controversy no matter where we were usually does my parents were highly offended and said that we ought to teach them to believe in this being they could not see but trust that he would bring them good things we felt it could possibly cause confusion down the road with their faith and appeared at me while trying to convince my son that Santa was real I was pretty offended but explained that we made Christmas about the birth of our dear savior even God Gan very wise when children learned that Santa isn't real we didn't think it was too far removed that they might wonder when God's stops being real in fact one all the more convinced that we did the right thing when our children were younger thank you so very much for this series we are very grateful to you and your precious wife for sharing finds you and yours doing well in I want to thank you for joining me today we will finish up our series entitled Santa Paws Nine People People get really riled up which is interesting to me 'cause the very same people that will say oh well Santa's no big deal we keep Jesus as the focus of the woman in front of US decided to interject that Santa was watching my little boy properly replied that Santa isn't real this lady was taken aback in you're not being fair and at Santa taught our children to be good my husband and I thought it wrong to lie to our children good for you rightly so to the truth I'll caps truth my family and I always enjoy listening to your program we have learned so much through your careful teaching we have been really thrilled at your series on when my youngest son was about four or five we're in the grocery store checkout lane naturally he decided to act up and try to add candy to his little cart so as I was correct it so defensive if you were if you were to say anything negative about Santa the very same people say always no big deal Jesus as the reason for the season we keep the now mind you now mind you this several years ago as our children now twenty six twenty and seventeen at any rate we absolutely loved your historical account of San you with all of us in Christ and I'll leave the name out I want to thank this dear sister for her very kind email and so off to me says a lot about just how real Santa is remember what we were talking about First Corinthians ten no the gods of wooden stone or not real focus on him but we still do Santa boy if you were to if you were to challenge them even lovingly so from a biblical standpoint maybe they shouldn't do biblical consideration of Santa Claus and I want to conclude by sharing a few emails and have received from you and talk about those a little bit and then just but there are spiritual forces at work behind this that are very real and so anyway but thank you for that email couple of concluding thoughts so let's get right to it I E mail dear Justin thank you so very much for your program in your deep commitment there was much in it that we didn't know or didn't put together these past couple of days you've shared the attributes of Santa and how they are in fact God's in his alone we true I mean at Santa Causes so much so much tension in so many homes I mean it is just unbelievable thank you so much you and your husband absolutely did the right thing okay the next email this also from sister in Christ she writes Justin rejoicing in your uncompromising bravery on confronting the Saint Nicholas Issue I have personally taken the stand for years after being biblically born again in hearing really hearing the lyrics of the Song Santa Claus is coming to town through a biblical worldview promoting Santa's omniscience omnipresence such as he sees you when you're sleeping he knows when you're awake he sees if you've been bad or good I was literally appalled when I realized that the song applies the attributes of the biblical God to the man or myth of Saint Nicholas Lyrics L. love this email to because see notice how she says after being biblically born again and really once again a Catholic form of Nacro Nancy praying to the dead condemned by scripture blessings of fellow Berea and Christ and we're supposed to do that's what I this alone five twenty one is all about test all things hold fast to that which is good and she gives her name I want to thank you dear sister as well for this email and you're absolutely right and you know this is a percents Booy I'll tell you you watch you watch some cackles getting raised very you very quickly and so in that to me that in and of itself during the lyrics of the Song Santa Claus is coming to town then she she put two and two together and you know that's that's what lady was born again she was a sheep who heard the colliver shepherd and she was born again and as you would expect from tones to this whole Santa Claus myth absolutely all right the the next email I'm going to read lever begins to read and study God's Word and begins to do what I s Lonnie's five twenty one tells us to do test all things through the lanes of scripture and so thank you very much for this very very encouraging and indeed a lot of Catholic over oh you may have heard me say before that that verse test all things that's not written they're just take up the white spaces it's there for a reason this and this also comes from a sister in the Lord and Hurry Mail was was quite lengthy and and but she aw but out of sensitivity to her request I'm just going to read a small part of this and talk about it and she says she a slightly extended family members very very big issue and just so you know dear sister and others listening you're not alone well for a little bit of background Santa has been a very big issue in her family both immediate family members and and this has I've heard from so many people both in this series and article that I wrote in asked that that it not be read on air she said please don't give the name certainly not going to do that fact I'm not including any names here but I don't Santa Paws Several years ago so many people have emailed me and told me that this has been a big issue and in their family as well they once they came a genuine faith in Christ and studied scripture and began to understand some of the attributes of God they said you know no we're not GONNA we're not GonNa do this this is soft persecution no nobody's shoving bamboo shoots up our fingernails or anything but it is so it's not hard persecution like that holier than thou accuse you of being arrogant that's you know it's unfortunate but that's just the way it is this is fun thing we're not GonNa lie to our kids and we're just not going to do this but you know as soon as you do that as soon as you take that Stan there's going to be three people quite possibly members of your own family to accuse you of being a legalist accuse you of being if someone asks so basically your question is this should we just kind of agree to disagree you know she's she's not comparable alone not judge them for not doing the whole Santa thing or is it a bigger issue than that where we should proclaim it not that I will lie about believing in San but it is soft persecution and reading the entirety or email she has been through quite a bit of Soft persecution because of the Santa is I have I think you should take a stand and tell people what you believe and why you believe it and believe what they want to believe well I think it is a very important issue because of all the reasons that we've discussed it is important I cannot imagine any scenario in which Jesus would say he up I'm okay with that to keep their view of it between themselves and God and let others do whatever is not sand to them in let those who think it is in Lee think of probably already been recorded while somewheres mortem recording this will now but anyway she says is it a stumbling block issue a liberty issue that a person should and ask them this question say if we were to be able to sit down with Jesus Christ if we are to be able to see him in sit down a big deal about it and if other professing believers have no problem with Santa you don't say anything and just kind of let everybody do what they WanNa do and by the way we're going to do this on your quote Unquote Birthday aside from the fact that December twenty fifth that's not technically his birthday but aside from that that's fun go ahead in Lada your kids go ahead and tell your kids that there's this being that looks an awful lot like me are you okay with us teaching our kids that he is real in that he is watching them omniscient from the North Pole that he's real so I've Kinda got this Yuletide twin out there yup that's okay I'm cool with that difference I cannot imagine with us teaching our kids that there is this figure this being out there who possesses many of your attributes because of the attributes of God and is especially when it's it's a a matter in the in the home with family members causes not in his word but his attributes are in his word the commandments are in his words the moral character of God it's in his word the jealousy but we're GonNa do this on the day that we set aside to honor your incarnation are you okay with that in dear friends and so yes you really are in fact lying to our kids and telling them that there's this figure that possesses many of your attributes around the you know whatever the dining room table and have a conversation with him and ask him the following question Jesus are you okay you and but she closed her email with questions on just read the question and she says so my question would be even though the shows you've probably your we know it it's not even up for debate speaking of jealousy there's a there's an enlightening story in scripture owners is is it is it something that we should just for the sake of peace keep our convictions yes but don't look at it that way I know that but that doesn't mean it's right doesn't mean it's okay it's not okay it's not okay to lie to your kid share this with you there's a man named Fini's P. H. I. N. E. H. A. S. Fini's was driven it doesn't matter what I think about it doesn't matter what you think about it what matters is what God thinks about it well how can we know what God thinks about it because it's in his word no Santa and he's a real figure and he's going to come see them once a year he has many of your attributes obviously he's not real but we're going to teach our kids at he is real I did not destroy the sons of Israel in my jealousy therefore say behold I give him my covenant of Peace It's it's not okay to ascribe the attributes of God to some other figure and teach your kids it's real it's not okay in and a scenario in which Jesus would say yeah that's okay that's fine it's okay no it is a big deal and I know most people don't look rising on what's he believes about Santa at all she steadfast in that but her question is is it I guess as you know is it a hill worth dying on is it's sounds of Israel that's so interesting passage of scripture is it not this didn't anger that's why we should take a stand against Santa Claus that's why it is a hill worth dying on that is why we take a stand and we should not be really man in a media night woman so he made him a he made them a human shishkabob basically that's what he did he ran a spear through them through a newsroom lots of people died in faith never having received the promise they were martyred but obedience in and of itself is always its own reward has turned away my wrath from the sons of Israel in that he was jealous with my jealousy among them so that of God and his word so we know we know we don't have to wonder we don't have to speculate we don't have to put pontificate upon it we know how God would feel God it pleased him why did it please him he please it pleased him because he said he he saw that finised did this for the right mode ten through thirteen when this happened then the Lord spoke to Moses saying finished the Sun Valley as are the son of Aaron the high priest its own wrath towards Israel it subdued his wrath God is pleased in honor us when we are jealous for him but notice how God was pleased by Phoenix's jealousy for him this act actually subdued when you saw this this is really man joined himself to a midnight woman who was worshiping all joined himself to her now I'm not obviously teaching that we should be going around running through anybody with spears today certainly not advocating that obviously uh he will honor us when we are jealous for him and our dismissal of Santa should be out of jealousy for our heavenly father you can look this up numbers chapter twenty twenty five Fini's was driven by jealousy forgot and you know what phineas did he ran a spear through in his race in he ran on through with a spear bad thing to do right now numbers chapter twenty five let me read this to you versus is right in you trust God for the results came so as we wrap this up difference if you do Santa with your kids by Jealousy for God and this is excuse me this is recorded didn't pardon me numbers Chapter Twenty Five Ama there midstream and Santa maybe they've got kids and they've they've done

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Benny Hinn Repents with Justin Peters

Andrew Rappaport's Rapp Report

1:05:23 hr | 1 year ago

Benny Hinn Repents with Justin Peters

"Have you heard the good news. Benny hinn repented and <hes> andrew not so fast on that <music> welcome to the rap report with andrew report we provide biblical interpretations and applications this this is the ministry of striving for eternity and cushion podcast community from all content or to request a speaker for your church go to striving for eternity dot well. I guess maybe just maybe justin peters is going to disagree agree with me yet again but but just in didn't benny hinn make a confession that the prosperity gospel is is false else teaching yes this andrew. He did for about the fourth or fifth time now in his ministry. He's done all right so for folks who may have had their head in the sand and don't know this week earlier this week. Benny hinn came out with a confession fashion. That's actually the title of it on his youtube channel and i wanna i justin play this for folks that we have some context and then you and i can discuss this. It is about four a little born in four minutes long but i am going to be playing it at a little bit quicker speed. Just we get through it so let me play that for you and then justin and i are going to discuss that because i think we're gonna find that well. We don't quite believe that. Benny hinn actually did repent so here we go so it's all about our broken. Our old man we call that the flesh must be broken must be out of the way and today said lee among a lot of circles. All you hear is how to build the flesh. It's a feel good message. That's what you got there. It's all about feel good. God do good all that make money off of it and i'm sorry to say that prosperity has gone a little crazy and i'm correcting my own theology and unit all know it because when i read the bible now i don't see the bible in the same is i saw the bible twenty years ago and steve straying from whom we go back years he actually he was in my wedding. People don't even know that code is magazine began with my father-in-law charisma magazine started with harlan and i'm edited his daughter. Steve strang was were in my wedding. We go way back and he's already asked me some. Are you ready to make it public as well not totally because i don't want to hurt my friends. Oh my love who believes things. I don't believe anymore and i will tell you now something that i think it's an offense to the loyd instant offense to to say give a thousand dollars. I think it's offense to the holy spirit to play surprise on the gospel. I'm done with the i will never again. Ask you two thousand or whatever amounts because i think the holy ghost is just fed up with it. Are you you. Did you hear me. I think that hurts the gospel so i'm making this table for the first time in my life and frankly. I don't care what people think of woah so. I had a guy well. I'll tell you who was dan willis. I i love dan with don't today. Please again just if your listeners and no no. I'm not gonna hit. I don't even be a part of it so when the environment to telephones. I think they will not like me anymore. Because if you look at the word of god i don't wanna get into now my shocking rocking you good. Let's have a high five on this one. If i hear one more time break the back of debt with thousand dollars. I'm going to rebuke them. I think that's buying gospel. That's buying the blessed. That's grieving the holy spirit. That's about all i will say if you are not giving because you love jesus. Don't bother give i think giving has become such a gimmick. It's making mississippi to my stomach and i've been sick for awhile. I just couldn't say now. The lid is off the you. I don't wanna get to heaven beauty puked. I think it's time we say it like it is the gospel is not for sale and the blessings of god not for sale and miracles are not for sale tail and prosperity is not for sale all right so with that that is the first of the two clips that we're gonna play and we'll you know there's there's a lot in here justin that a lot of people are making a big deal about and a lot of people are saying that he genuinely repented. You don't believe he did no no not for a second. Do i believe he did not only do. I not believe that he did. I can conclusively prove that he is not repeated repented. There's just so much there <hes> to break down for one thing. This is not remember we own. We only have one hour justin. No i'm working on my own as you know. I'm working on my own video. <hes> that will have a lot of <hes> video of any from twenty five twenty eight years ago and some video from a few days ago <hes> that that will conclusively prove he has he has not repented. This is not the first time that benny hana's done this <hes> he has quote unquote repented <hes> from the prosperity gospel four five times and <hes> <hes> going back to the early nineties after the very first major expose zeh that was done on his ministry by inside edition featuring a very young looking now of what's his name bill o'reilly bear young looking bell rock but they did a they did <hes> an expose on benny hinn and it was it was not using profanity here it was damning i it really was <hes> for him and he came out and he made this big public apology in fact. I could play short clip of that if let's see. I don't know if i could just play in it allow. We'll get the audio okay. We'll try. We'll try this okay. This is just this is right. After the very first big expose was done on on him i because calling so there you go preachers who live in big homes and drive big cars ought to reexamine their calling <hes> well. That was an early nineties <hes> so he said this before or he said it again about a year and a half ago. <hes> said that he had repented he. He's done this periodically throughout his ministry but he always always goes back to the same theme because that's where the money is. He always goes back like a dog returning to its vomit. He goes back to it calls. That's where the money is bread and butter so this is nothing news second thing i would point out. Is that <hes>. He says that he is believed this for some time nine now in fact in interview that he did with charisma magazine that was put up just a couple of days ago as this record. He says that he is believed this now. It's this change of heart for the last two years <hes> but he couldn't make it public because he was afraid of offending friends sounds of here's who still believe prosperity theology afraid of offending some of his friends how about offending god dad that's who he should be afraid of offending the alpha and omega not his not his fellow fake faith healers <hes> so that right there tells you that this is not genuine. If he was truly repentant he would be so eager to make this right by god that he would. He would be out there in the forefront immediately upon discovering this a new revelation for him that prosperity theology not actually sleep biblical the no he was more afraid of offending his fellow prosperity preachy friends about offending god <hes> in in you can go through been hands ends tomlin flight now go to goes twitter fake right. Now i've got i've got video of bidding hand from just the past few days days of his television program that he is telling people to sow a seed so one hundred twenty dollars seat. I mean this was just from a couple of days ago. Okay okay but hold on hold on just because i i'll act as the devil's advocate and in this case. I may actually be doing that. <hes> we don't usually want to advocate kate for the devil but in this case maybe he is. I wanna play a clip because he's he's given what may be an answer. You pointed out publicly on your twitter feed that that he had that video out and he provided yet another video to explain that which you have mentioned so let's let's let's share and listen to this. I know many of you have heard what i said monday night about what i stand on plus parity because of all the lord jesus is doing in my heart which is very real and i did an interview yesterday with steve strain on his podcast that i think you'll really enjoy listening to somehow today by mistake. One of my old tapes got on one of our social media platforms that we have corrected that are still some old teachings are there that i'm sure you'll probably watch watch out here but i do not want you to believe that i have changed my standard possibility as i have declared monday night very clearly. That's been all over now now. It's gone viral but please again. Watch or listen to what i did with steve strang yesterday on his podcast. I think you'll be blessed. Bless you okay so and i believe he even took that video down so wouldn't we wouldn't we we say that he has genuine repented and look we even see the evidence of it the evidence being that he has he's not only repented ah but he's taken the video down that you said <hes> he was asking for the hundred and twenty dollars say seeing sowing seeds yeah. He did take that one day on <hes> now he makes. It sound like this was video from ten fifteen years ago. Now i mean this was still pretty recent soon within with at least within the last couple of years you can just tell by looking at that. He's he's considered. The old re pretty much looks the same in that video that he's talking about that. He took us today so this was not very long ago at all but it wasn't just that program. I mean literally his time. John is absolutely filled filled with this teaching going back. I mean you go back act earlier this week before the week before that all throughout august all throughout july author g i mean literally it it is it is schlaug full of this stuff <hes> so now if he was as serious as about as what he claims he would be taking all of this stuff down. I mean my goodness guy has a media team like no other immediate pays people to do this stuff foreign still up there well and to think about the fact that he said that this change occurred two years ago yeah. That's what he says. So was he sinning against his own conscience then yeah i mean that's that's one of the that's one of the questions come literally i mean go back glass two years looking at us as television programs programs and it's full of prosperity all she absolutely full load so <hes> there. There's no he hasn't he has changed <hes> also even in his confession he he's being disingenuous. He's he's created a lot of problems for himself itself. Actually this confession repentance. He says that in the last two years let's just assume for the sake of sake of gob kicks and get absurd that somehow in the last two years is theology has changed on prosperity in despite the fact that his media time line for the last two years is still full of the same prosperity theology but let's just say somehow all of that so everything <hes> on my <hes> twitter tom lawn and all his all his television programs last two years were some every single. One of them recorded more than two years ago just for kicks giggles. I've sega. Here's a problem he's created for himself. A says that this is a new discovery because he is growng closer to the lord and he is now discovered this will just by saying that he is immediately disqualified himself for for being a bible teacher so you're telling me benny hen that you have been teaching prosperity theology for forty years ears and you're just now discovering that it's on biblical this has been a staple of his teaching this his bread and and butter teaching it is what he is known for and so that for which he is known he is now saying he's been wrong about the last forty years then then you don't you're not qualified to you're not apps to teach you're not able to teach sound doctrine in your certainly not able to repeat those contradicted so this major discovery has just been in the last couple of years when he's had four decades of teaching the opposite or the man obviously has a fundamental misunderstanding of how to read a deter scripture scripture he he's he's would say biblically illiterate and yet he's been teaching the bible for forty years well the argument. That's some gonna make justin is who are you to question him. How what expertise do you have une benny hinn. What expertise do i am yeah. Did you may be right some small little paper on his ministry. Yes media. I wrote my master's thesis. On <hes> verma master theology had southwestern sooner he wrote my master's thesis on and <hes>. I have read most if not all of his books. I have been to seventeen different. Benny hinn crusades all over of the country <hes> i've been in the trenches. I've talked to people <hes> a a a know what goes on a been in there so <hes> yeah i mean i'm i'm pretty well versed on banana know how he does what he does on. Nobody has told i know things about being ah i haven't even talked about publicly so would it be fair to say that you possibly know the hint family better than the hint family no no well. You know they're teaching. You know the teaching. They're teaching. Yes i know they're teaching. I know how he does what he does. A know where these wheelchairs that just magically appear on the platform. I know where they come from and how that works i know held all day <hes> screen people to get up on stage because i've tried to get a stage myself part of research <unk> repeal so yeah i mean now. I know how he does what he does. <hes> so is this is this is kind of and i don't say this in any kind of americans but this is this is small. We'll have studied this stuff. Here's another problem. Here's in this is a big one it. It may be one of the biggest ones that he's created another problem for himself and that is this you can go back in you could literally could had find thousands thousands of tens of thousands of examples of benny hinn saying variations of the following god is speaking to me in. He is telling me that if you will so seed lead into this ministry you will reaper hearts so a hundred and twenty dollars so a thousand dollars <hes> so seven hundred seventy dollars chrissy comes up with all these different numbers based on different things all the time. I feel an anointing. The anointing is so struggle. I've never felt the anointing strongly as i do right now. <hes> god is speaking in whatever god says we act on it. He claims that he he claims that god. God speaks to him. All the time in god has told him for forty years multiplied thousands upon thousands dozens of times throughout the last forty years. God has told benny hinn to tell people if they will so assayed they will report i now. He says he disagrees with that opus. You've just outed yourself binney in as a false prophet you just outed yourself as a false prophet and this is one of those. This was one of the first things that i wanted to talk with you about because my thinking when i look at this he's claiming that what he's taught for forty years is false is false teaching but he wants you to believe him now. So all this time he was close to lord he was hearing it directly from the lord and what he would. I didn't hear him do is say i was lying. I was deceived. I you know the the issue. I have with what he says. It wasn't specific especially to himself because if somebody was teaching some for forty years and they realized everything i was teaching was ally i was saying it was coming from god. I was either deceived her. I was lying one or the other. I don't hear that from him. He says i got a new revelation well. This is just a continuation of the same. I'm hearing from the lord talk but now now it's contradicting what he used to hear from the lord so it's like okay we have a contradiction and yet he doesn't he doesn't discredit what he's done for forty years as being false teaching and him being a false teacher but he's still saying it's coming from god. The seem the very same thing that we have issues shoes with a claims the spiritual authority so that no one can question it because it comes from god but if the other message came from god and this message comes from in god and they contradict each other then obviously his one of his messages if not both are not from the lord <hes> the <hes> yeah you can't have it both ways you can have it both ways so if i if you no longer agree with this theology than than john what you've just done is you've just admitted to the entire world that for the last forty years you have not been hearing from god like you claim you have what what do we call. People like that people who say the lord spoke to me when in fact lord did not speak to them. What do we call people like that. The bible calls them false prophets <music>. He's painted himself into a corner. Here's the things i noticed with this. He gets. There's one point where he says. Are you shocked. I mean the audience is clapping. This was my first indicator that the audience must be in on it because if you've been teaching something for forty years and this is the first time you're ever going to announce it and you have people that have been believing this and i mean we say believing this. They've been putting money behind it for years and now you're going to say it was all wrong and they're going to clap and say you know great amen. Give a high five. That's not the reaction that some more have if they were told everything they were taught was a sham. They wouldn't be cheering. Yeah no no they wouldn't. I don't know that the entire audience was in on it. I like i don't i don't think benny and before that program before as he walked into a studio radio there in <hes> elissa california that he before the cameras started rolling. He looked audience. He said okay gaz now. I'm about to completely change theology yeah. I want to go along with the year. I don't think it was necessarily setup no but i think there were probably enough people just like when they do the the staged <hes> healings and things like like that i think there are some people that did know they were supposed to clap at this especially because he hears he gives a high five to a guy that it's almost as if he knew the guy was standing there yeah sing benny hana's such a master manipulator of people out when when you're there you're you're there in the studio. The lights are on the cameras are rolling. You know this is being recorded and the quote unquote man of god walks up to you gives gives you off if you're predisposed to this. If you believe in iran as a man of god and you obviously do because you wouldn't be there the first place if you did the naturally going to you know you're going to go along with it. It's it's the same dynamic about how it gets people to follow over when he slaves them in the spirit and all this stuff and <hes> so well. Have you seen his friend. Dan wilson has he has he come out and pulled support for benny because he was named named bhai name. Has there been anything. I mean 'cause 'cause one of the things you know better than i write is that when benny hinz nephew kosti got saved i mean the family kinda. They didn't treat them so well. We'll put it that way <hes> sort of cut him off and whatnot. Do we see benny's friends friends doing that yet and maybe we need to give it more time but you know are they. I mean i don't see them. I'm calling him out and saying anything as if there may not be believing that this is real either yeah. I don't no no it'll be interesting to see what people like <hes> his steve munsey in <hes> mike murdock invited speaking of mike murdock when benny so you would just start in on that clip say if i hear <hes> break the back of debt with a thousand dollars seat again if i hear that again i'm going to rebuke that the person he's talking about. Mike murdock mightn't nets one of mike murdoch's famous lines of broke. The back of poverty with a thousand dollar seat mike murdock what was literally owned benny hans program teaching that very thing very recent now. It's on his twitter timeline. I'll within a year ago oh from right now when it was recorded. I am not a hundred percent sure but it's it's on his twitter timeline right now. I just got through watching it a few minutes before the start coordinates so <hes> as it's going to be interesting to see how many friends react to this but been has has not repented. We'll see how long this last <hes> now. I will say he has gone more deaths in his confession this time than i've ever seen him do it before he's he's made overtures of confessing and repenting own this issue before but this is the most in depth of heard him <hes> go into it but <hes> it's not real repentance. That's andrew because real repentance bears fruit. There is fruit in keeping with repentance in what benny hen is. He kinda hinted at a minute. Go has not done among other things talk about <hes>. He has not come forward and said you know i've been lying to you for four decades. I've been lying to you. I i i have not god has not spoken to me all these thousands of times that i told you he was. I lied about that or or at least say that he was deceived right. Maybe he was deceived. They thought it was the lord. I think you and i it is. He was deceived. See breath. This brings up a whole other issue because benny hana's constantly claiming things like he's getting a gets words of knowledge. <hes> just in this mode in his most recent healing crusade is most recent one. He's getting words of knowledge about people in the studio audience in a classic benny he and he'll point up to someone <unk> delayed up there you have a you have a problem in your soaker and so god is giving him this information real time so he he's doing this right now that he's doing this right now and so if god can give him words of knowledge in real time about people in the studio audience got speaks to him all the tom tom how is it that god did not bother to say at some point in the last four decades biddy. What you're teaching is with right. So where do you believe that god will give him words of knowledge about some ladies shoulder problem up in the the twelfth row in the studio audience and god will give him words of knowledge about this about that at all god just talks to them all the time but has not apparently bothered are thought it necessary to give him a word of knowledge about apparently false teaching that he's been teaching for four decades. How does does that work. Well and it's kind of interesting because we know that it's not a word of knowledge. He's getting he's. He's getting people handling. They go through a screening process so he knows exactly where people are sitting in what they're wearing in different things like that so i. I think that the whole claim that they try to make as i i'm. I'm seeing someone wearing a red shirt or whatever it is. They already has that information so that would make me be liar her that that would make it lying not deception. I yeah i mean he. He lies is easily as you and out breeze and i and that's not an exaggeration i mean he he is the consummate wire a lot of what these people do whether it's been in or someone like kale <hes> some of these people that you get up on stage of plants so more of a lot of those just cold reading and you can see eh <hes> psychics do this all the time. Jonathan edwards does not not the puritan jonathan edwards but you know the the psychic jonathan edwards. He does this all all the time. He'll go up. You know it's it's cold readings. Sylvia brown used to do it. She's dad now but <hes> the these faith healers like benny hen and others they do the same thing they psychic stew. They just cloak okay a little bit of christian lingo so so what i want to ask you after this break. Is you know he tried to do a secondary message to try to say that hey this is a real change. In my heart. Ivan corrected this problem. I think he meal yacht called out and he's he's. He's doing even more damage troll now. <hes> i want to ask you when we get back. Whether you think that's secondary message that he did basically trying to say we understood was was not what was actually happening. Do you think that that is legitimate. So that wanna talk about that right. 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That's bearing good fruit in listening to the interview that benny hinn did with stephen strang in by the way this raises this is another problem with stephen strain and charisma rising stephen strang the editor charisma magazine has known him by his own admission since the nineteen seventies before fourbillion even got married well stephen strang knows benny hinn really well knows what he's been doing for the last forty years and yet and he's been friends with benny hinn through the entire forty years of his deception and lies doesn't speak very well stephen strang but but <hes> anyway back to the point is that if benny hinn was truly repentant then that would be bearing fruit route now remember. This isn't according to benny hinn something <hes> that he came to just yesterday. He said his heart changed on this beginning two years ago simply by reading the bible well. Maybe he should spend a little time reading luke chapter nineteen in in his bye-bye zakiya zakia tax collector who had exploited all of the people in his you know under under his purview when he was confronted by christ christ met him in he was broken he he was given a godly sorrow per second corinthians nineteen seven over over his sin. It resulted in bearing fruit in what the zaccheus say well. Let's go to the tech zaccheus luke chapter nineteen. He hurried came down received him christ. Gladly when he saw they all began to grumble saying he has gone to the guest of a man who was a center zakia stopped and instead of the lord the whole lord half of my possessions. I will give to the poor and if i have a fraud anyone of anything i will give back back four times as much. That's what repentance light bears fruit zakia said half of what ah own i'll give to the poor if the fraud at any one hour pay him four times as much just stole from now i will not unreasonable. It is not possible for benny hen to repay the untold hundreds of thousands indeed millions of people. He has defrauded over the last forty years. There's a couldn't do it if he wanted to. If he were to pay back four times as much all all of the money that he's defrauded people for the last four years could down the national debt so it's not possible for benny hinn to do that but what he could do in what he should do is he's truly repentant. If let's let's just say benny hen was he's just now come to saving faith in christ. If that is what's happened than what he should be doing right now is confessing that he lied to people for forty years confessing that he has lied about major vance in his own life and ministry. You should confess that all of the thousands and thousands of times that he claims god has spoken to him. God has in fact not spoken into him. He'll confess to that. It will confess that all of the people that he claims were healed up on his platform. All these miracle crusades at he's done for forty years. It would confess that. None of these people were healed. He knows they weren't he should confessed that you should societies invest allied to you. I knew these people weren't he'll. I said that they were allied to you out. I told you that a check up with their doctors. My team checked up with the doctors. We don't ever do that. I lied about that too do so he should confess all of these lies. He should empty his ministry coffers. Take every cent that his his ministry has every dime in the bank every piece of property he has sell that give every cent of it to dr turnley sound ministries. He should join doctrinal sound church sit in the pew submit himself elf to biblical teaching by biblically qualified elders and sit there in learn for years and years and years and i would say in all likelihood never preach again fia radically see a radically if he jean-louis wait did get saved at some point theoretically years and years down the road. Maybe maybe but but he would have to. He would have to a bear. Some real fruit in keeping with repentance is to save people lied to people he has entered been has cost people their lives. He has told people that they were healed when he knew they weren't told them that. They were healed told them that their sickness will never come back. Total ought not to listen to the doctors in by the way. I've got video of him saying that to a pregnant woman telling just from a year ago just from one year ago telling her the doctors are all don't listen to your doctor. People think he's hearing from god they take his advice and they don't go to the doctor or they do stop taking their medicine because if they take their medicine that's for sure sign that you lack faith in solo in a in an effort to not to betray any lack of faith with six people stop taking their medicine in a lot of these people die needed confessed. All of this shut shut everything down. Shut your ministry down. Emptier coffers in in go work at walmart. Well look here's here here would and i was you went right to text that. I was thinking of going to which is key because that's the one that i think everyone is bringing up because that's the clearest example but let's take take a a real life example right of someone in his own family. What was the response when kosti hin got saved when custody hin got saved and recognize everything he had been teaching was wrong. He repented what did he do. He confronted the false. Teaching called halted out re wrote a book on it and you know it had the effect that his family wouldn't talk to him or upset with them. Things like that and now we don't see at least yet benny hinn publicly naming names <hes> saying that people are not not not save because of false teaching or saying what they're doing is false teaching and you brought this out earlier. He's worried about his friendships well. That's not what you you see. Was that case. That's not what you see with kosti. That's what you see with any believer. A genuine believer is concerned about what god thinks first and foremost and what people think second and so this is the big issue that i see with them is even though i think he's doing this video you mentioned and i know for folks who are watching watching listening just going to be putting out a video this week giving a lot more evidence to support the arguments. He's making so you hear benny hinn in his own words. It's but i find it hard to believe that this is genuine because as you said justin. This isn't the first time he's done it. He's done in this in the past several times. I know you have some video clips that you're going to be able to provide for folks where he he does that. I kind of think that it seems and i don't know his heart. I don't know the motivations but it seems like there's times in his ministry. If you you wanna call it that that he feels the need to kind of repent pretend to repent and this. I don't know maybe it's because the FBI has been investigating instigating him and there's some thing reason he thinks this will benefit them. Maybe but for anyone who's following benny hinn if he goes back to teaching prosperity then no matter what either way he's a false teacher feature. I mean that's the ultimate proof right there in the fact that he's done this in the past several times now. This may be the most clear but i still didn't see the specifics civics that i think someone that has genuine faith would do. I mean if someone has genuine repentance. They're going to be naming. I was wrong when i did this. I said this and this this they they wanna give the generalities that he did even though he's more specific here but the fact that he says the lord that this is everything he that he taught was is false. Now he's saying this is true when he goes back to teaching. What he said was false then we we have no other choice but to conclude that he is a false else teacher on one of them 'cause they're mutually exclusive. I mean is there any way out of it for him. No no there there is no way out of it and in in i don't think benny hen had the foreside or the biblical knowledge ultimately. He doesn't have to the region racers that he needs to understand the corner that he has painted himself into. ES theologically he has painted himself into quite the teeny tiny corner here and so yeah we will know <hes> not only will will know that if if it goes back at some point fighter down the road year or two or whatever now if he goes back preaching prosperity theology will know that he hasn't repented know if he goes if he preaches at all aw from this point four we know he has repented if he preaches at all i if he ever gets behind behind the pulpit again for from this point forward he should should not be teaching anything anything. If he it was truly repented he would be so overwhelmed by the burden of of the the the weight of his sin the gravity evidence of what he has done for forty years not only exploiting poor in sit in desperate people for money not only exploiting the widows widows for personal financial gain not only giving sick people false hope not only of ripping the heart add an NFL andrew up into these things. I know what goes on at these crusades. I've talked to the people in wheelchairs. I've talked to the people on the stretchers shire's literally. I've seen stretchers menuhin precise before. I've talked to the people lying on the floor on a blanket so sick with cancer. They can't even lift their heads. I've i've seen these people. I've talked. I've talked to the poor mother in oklahoma city. That many did crusaded her. She was there with her little little a little boy in her. I can't remember the name of the condition right now but our boy was born with only a brain still just a stamp not the justice down just enough to keep his heart beating in his lungs breathing in i've talked to i've talked to her. Talk to people like this and they're so desperateness poor mother so desperate for her little boy to be healed ashiq eighth benny hinn money. He has no idea what he's done. If he has is no idea how many thousands if not millions of lives he has wrecked and that's not the worst of it. That's not the worst of the worst of it is the injury that he has done to the gospel of jesus christ for forty years. He has spread this theological poison. All around the world is brought reproach on the name of christ. If he was is truly repented this man would be honestly brought to his knees under the the the weight of what he has done for four decades in the furthest thing from his mind this point the furthest thing from his would be picking up a copy of god's word in preaching preachy from it. He's in no place to preach in if he was truly repented he was no that one thing. I want folks to two. Here's is the compassion you have because i know a lot of his supporters think that you just hate benny hinn and you're just a hater you. You're the the arguments. I'm sure sure many make is that you're just upset because you don't have enough faith to be healed and because you have cerebral palsy for people who don't know and the argument would be well you. You just didn't have enough faith so you're you're upset with him. When really it's your faith. That was lacking. I hope that people are listening. Because what you just said has nothing to do with being upset with benny hinn because of anything that's personal europe's that would benny hinn as i am as many others are because and he's he's teaching a falsehood. That's damning people to hell and he's doing it in the name of christ then that's in the spiritual realm and has an eternal consequence but in this physical realm he's he's living high off the hog on on the last two who pennies that people can rub together and taking people who are desperate wanting to cling to any kind of hope and he uses that and and this is the thing here these people they want to cling to any kind of hope they can and that is what he ends up using to build a living off to get them to say. Here's i want anything i'll give you that little bit of hope is complete charade. It's a fake hope. It's a false hope but i'm gonna give it to you so you'll give me money and i could drive my fancy cars and drive and flying my private planes. That's in the physical realm is disgusting and and i want folks to realize this has nothing to do with a dislike for benny hinn. I don't know him but i look at the teaching and the teaching that he teaches his damnable. It leads people to hell. That's the concern that both justin and i would have and i know that you're gonna do a video going into a lot more detail with this and we'll provide the link to that in the show so if folks if you wanna find it just look in the the show notes if this airs before the video comes out i will update the show nuts just so folks know but in a couple of minutes we have left justin <hes> <hes> why is it. You think that this will last this and this hypothetical maybe you you won't have an answer. Is there reason you think thank you might be doing this if he's not being genuine <hes> despite him saying that i he says in the interview with stephen strang christmas is as i'm not doing this because of my critics he even says i'm not doing 'cause my nephew. I don't believe that i believe i believe that <hes> the interviews cost you has done the two books now that he has written custody schmidt very vocal meetings been he's been on CNN <hes> aw talking about this. It's brought a lot of pressure on many hit. The spotlight has been turned on him because people you know they're looking at this and there's any this year old nephew. FU this is your flesh and blood he used to work for you and so i don't believe for a second that <hes> costes genuine conversion region has not had a a huge impact on him but unfortunately this point is it has not changed his heart <hes> so he is absolutely doing it because the <unk> i'll close with this andrew. You're right. I don't hate any <hes> people. Ask me all the time. It's been here know as a fake yes if he does or is he deceived himself. Yes he is second timothy chapter. Three verse thirteen paul talks about men who are deceiving in being deceived. Both of those dynamics can be org insane person benny hinn <hes>. I think perfectly fits that he is deceiving actively deceiving people and yet he is being deceived himself. <hes> so <hes> i would love nothing more i would call it honestly love nothing more than to see genuine fruit in keeping with genuine repentance from benny hinn. I would love that. I would love it. I won't benny hill. I don't want to go to hell at all costs. He doesn't want him to go. Custody loves his nephew in. I don't love benny hand like kostunica's <hes> but i i i can't say i don't want them to go to hell. I would i want him to come to genuine saving faith in christ but from what i've seen from one of her just two days ago in the christmas interview yesterday. I guess that hasn't happened yet. Well don't you think don't you think if he genuinely repented the first person he would have gone to. Oh is kosti. Hin has nephew. If i were he yeah that's who i would go to. I mean to me that that seems like the the the the clearest proof that he's he's not genuine in this because if if his nephew has repented repented of the very same thing he's claiming he's repenting of and has already gone down this path and he is come to the same conclusion in the first one that someone will go to would be someone like that a family member who's already gone down this path and say you're right especially when the person has written two books on on this subject so the fact that he hasn't at least that we know of you may know more than i hi but at the as far as i know of neither of them have claimed that they've spoken to each other about this issue and and snow going yeah now. It's going to say so so if he hasn't that to. Me is the real proof that he's not repented yeah. I don't know for sure if he has her hand and causing are supposed to talk sometime in the next couple days <hes> tomorrow monday i guess but <hes> but but i haven't talked to in yes i don't i don't know a hundred percent so we'll see but <hes> that interview that he did with with charisma sma stephen strang just yesterday <hes> to me that sealed the deal that that told me he is not genuinely repentant he may have. He may have some level of regret. He may have a guilty conscience. He probably does but a guilty conscience which is not repentance that traveled concepts is not is not a change of heart das hedda guilty conscience and and he killed himself and he killed himself sorry yeah so we have a couple of minutes left and we we have something that you and i wanna talk about after this but <hes> with folks but here's here just last question that i had for us. How should people who follow benny hinn respond now now that he's come out with this should what should their reaction be. I would hope they would feel betrayed. I would hope they would feel like what's going on. I've been listening to the staffer emptying years now. He's telling me that staple staple of his teaching he was wrong about <hes>. Maybe i should find somebody who actually knows what they believe in why they believe it so so yeah it'll it'll be interesting to see what the fallout he has. I don't know but again <unk> with most of vinnie hands followers you have to make the assumption and i'm not being judgmental when i'm saying this that <hes> all been hands followers source one hundred percent of them are either very immature christians or they're on regenerate themselves. The cannot be mature believers and i will say definitively that benny hen has zero mature believers who who listen to him on a regular basis in believe you sound teach because if you are immature believer by definition you wouldn't be following benny hinn so <hes> so they're either false converts on regenerate themselves or they are immature believers in for those who are immature believers who have been listening listening to benny hinn <hes> it is generally my my prayer that <hes> this will be a wakeup call them that they would they would leave word word of faith. You have style reformation. I hop in a are all this stuff. Leave it and turn some doctrinal sound teachers <unk> biblically qualified men who who actually are able to teach sound doctrine refute those contradicted in start growing grace knowledge of the lord jesus christ and that would be our prayer for for his followers for him. We don't you mentioned it already. We don't wanna see benny hinn die without christ we want to see him repent and income to genuine faith like his nephew and i just think what could happen if god did a work on benny his life that he genuinely came to faith and that would be that would have a ripple effect if he came out the way kosti did and started to name names and to expose things <hes> <hes> from the inside i mean from the very very top that that would really be able to expose things so that the gospel can go forth <hes> so yeah we we pray for that that so but we'll let us close out with a couple of minutes that we have less just because you and i have something special going on in about a year and a half if we we plan ahead. Don't we yeah yeah. I'm not sure i've ever planned anything out of a year and a half before so i like to plan ahead the plan that for his we you and i are going to be going to israel in march of twenty twenty one along with pastor frank melissa dr anthony investor of the four of us will be doing the devotions <hes> thirteen days going to a lot of lot of lot of sites sites in israel and so this is kind of one of these things that for some people. It's a once in a lifetime opportunity. Now you've been to israel. You're gonna be returning in two thousand twenty <hes>. I've been to israel but it was a long time ago. I was sixteen years old so i'm not gonna say long ago because someone's going to do the math. Let's let's say was a little bit more than ten years. We'll just leave it at that and let people guess but that's pretty good guess but yeah so y if folks want to join us and my my encouragement is that this is going to fill up quickly now if you're listening to this live or shortly after we recruit we dropped this <hes>. We're gonna be having one more week. So september seventh up to i think september fourteenth you can get one hundred dollars off if you register and put it down payment now one hundred dollars college is not a whole lot when it costs like fifty one hundred well. What do you get for that. Would you're getting is by israeli law you have to have his his rarely guide and and you have to pay them what they what they charge so we have an israeli guide or morelli boss bus driver all those things have to be there <hes> it includes your your hotel stays and includes your breakfast and your dinner basically everything but lunch is covered including the flight from JFK new york now now if you're not in JFK you there's a discount you get and you meet us in tel aviv so if you want to do that i think you get a thousand dollars off for two to cover the flight but that is something that this is a once in a lifetime opportunity for many people to be able to do now. The reason we've booked it out so far is so you've time to save and so if you wanna come with us there are as far as we know right now we are limited to fifty five slots and that includes the the guide so that's not a lot. We're probably going to fill that quickly so i want to encourage you to go to a website to get all the details. There's a lot of details tells air and to be able to sign up. It is twenty twenty one because that's the year that we're going to go twenty twenty one israel trip dot dot com. That's twenty twenty one israel trip dot com and if you go there you can get all the details you can <hes> register. There's a form you fill out. I filled it out and you. You put everything in so you can put your downpayment. If you do put the down payment. It's like five hundred dollars down. You don't have to pay it all all right now. There's a payment plan set up but if you pay it now and something happens you can't make it you get most that back. I think all but <hes> a hundred and twenty five dollars i think is non refundable so my encouragement to you is save your spot. There's gonna be a lot of people that were going to fill this up and then we're going to end up patting people on a waiting list so my encouragement is go to twenty twenty one israel trip dot com so you could join justin dr silvestro pastor malysz and myself striving fraternities is putting this together and we're we're excited to be able to take people to go to to the very places that we read in scripture and see the very place where some of these things happen. We're going to go to the very mount where christ preached the sermon on the mount in matthew seven five to seven. It's going to be a neat experience to actually be there. I've been on that mount. I've sat there and thought about out that that sermon we're actually going to read through that sermon justin. You've been to israel recently. How do you think that has impacted you and others especially as far as when we come to reading the scriptures well always always have always heard from people. Oh you've got to go to israel. It will really change how you read the bible and and i will bring it alive. I'm not sure it's changed the way i read it. As far as it has to change parvenu or anything but i'll tell you what enter it it. I certain brings things alive a main <hes> it it is <hes> it is a surreal correo experience to go in. Beware beware david goliath to go to the pool of bethesda esta <hes> to go to the pool of siloam to to go to go to ca- parnham you know to to go you too. I mean all these places that you read about in the new testament is <hes> as i go to these went to these different places you know i'm just i'm replaying everything anything mind opening of why this happened right here. I mean you can say you can touch it. You can i mean it. Just it really elliot's it does bring a it does kind of bring things to life if you will in a now when i go. I read the new testament. Asman are real read about jesus healing at the pool with this man. I've i've seen that i've seen it. I know where he did. It looks like you can <hes>. It's just <hes> i it's a surreal experience. It really is <hes> would strongly strongly encourage people. If you're able to do it do it. You won't regret headed. I promise you that it exceeded my expectations so i'm eager to get back there so i'm looking forward to then so <hes> lord willing is as as long as the lord gives me another year and a half of life and assuming the rapture doesn't happen between now and the kids look forward to go but if the rapture happens. I'm perfectly quickly fine with going there. I i'll wait for the new jerusalem. That's okay with yeah yeah yeah yeah the it'll be even better yeah so folks go to twenty twenty one israel trip dot com get all the details. Please come and join us is going to be the really great experience. We hope for everybody <hes> it is going to fill up so don't don't think oh i have plenty of time because a lot of people people are gonna think that's a lot of time. They have time to think about it. You don't know what's going to happen in a year and a half we gave a year and a half so you have a lot of time to save for it but you need to reserve irv your spot early so go to twenty twenty one israel trip dot com and there you're going to get all the details so with with that just and i wanna thank you for coming on. We're gonna we're gonna look forward to as video that you're going to be putting out soon and <hes> exposing everything that we've talked about out in much more detail. I'm looking forward to that. I know that there'd be a lot appeal. That'd be plus by that so i appreciate you coming on and helping us because you you really really are an expert in this area and you know the benny hinn very very well and we all learn and gleam from that knowledge when you when you speak and i hope that folks see that you don't speak from a hatred for benny hinn you speak from a harder compassion for where he's going to spend eternity. Yes yeah i i do what he's done. I hate what he's done. I hate us ministry but i don't hate him and <hes> and i do pray i do pray that the lord would be gracious in grant him repentants unto salvation and we thank you for coming on justin and and next until next week remember to strive to make today an eternal day for the glory of god is podcast as part of the ministry for more content requested speaker seminar to your church attorney dot org.

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Beth Moore Defends Egalitarianism with Justin Peters and Jim Osman

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Beth Moore Defends Egalitarianism with Justin Peters and Jim Osman

"Today we're going to be talking about how I hate having to do this again. We always seem to have to deal with her breath more no not again don't wrap report last night I guess just to ruin your night and said Okay let's let's record on this there is a clip of Beth more this is Hersh speaking at the carrying well conference and because they know a whole lot more than me but I said this I sent this clip to you guys I welcome to the rap report I am your host Andrew Rappaport glad to have you as an I am joined by but let let's START I wanna play this clip because it's really this is where we're GONNA end up talking about and so in Washington flying free put it as excellent clip on the question does complimentary in caused abuse and that is the topic she's looking to raise so let bit by then and so a lot of what people may here at that point we we cover may already have been covered or things like that so you may need to be aware that it's going to be a little hard to hear this is from someone's phone at the conference way back and so let's let's listen to her it may be a little bit light or or soft I'm going to try to boost the volume as best I can two brothers Jim Osmond and Justin Peters Because when ever talking about Beth more well it's good to bring in the big guns at the time this airs just in you and I will be still I believe in California just wrapping up you'll be just wrapping up truth matters I'll be up in northern California Komo content or to request speaking for your church go to striving for eternity dot org geology 'cause I leave Ted up to Redwood City but by the time this drop spent sure there's going to be a lot of discussion that we will we will be discussing this video clip we're going to play in the influence culture they say warming contributed to eight in many winner it should be career is visible give a listen to this kid they are what is that noise certainly not uh-huh Areso investigation it also we uh-huh it it is a species hey it's your I'm he is no source in human the interesting sorry about that it seems that I have seen saying brace ourselves they were relations Compliment serious is being the more than raw dr how we'll stop there she walks off stage there's a whole lot there I'm going to put a Lincoln the Laura Horse's turn first off what what's your overall thoughts of why she did this what her her message was at this conference where by the way got here that she said that I think really needs to be exposed orange prison generation Z.. Morton use in the SBC Jim Uneo well position and is snow yeah meth more claims to have a high view of scripture she just quoted there the Apostle Paul in yet no no it's someone was kind enough to transcribe that I sent that to you guys or at least some of that and I'll have that in the show notes along with the a facebook link unfortunately this was facebook couldn't download it therefore we had some technical issue sorry about that so guys let's talk through this there's a lot it in a recent tweets she actually seems to here I'll just read it to you talk about she says no I was not subject follows that social justice engine there's a lot of different cars following that engine and egalitarianism is one of those one of those cars uh-huh I think a number of reasons one thing Beth Morris heavily heavily invested in the Social Justice Movement and this is one of the cars that nobody ever said Paul's our savior but she's she's throwing shade own the Apostle Paul and what he says about the roles of men and women I if you didn't notice there were men in the audience why do you think she's becoming this voice for abuse spin deified so Beth more seems to take this kind of taxes along the lines of what's called the Red Letter Christians Paul and Jesus are not equals. I know this is hard for some swallow but Paul is not our Savior Paul would be horrified I believe by the way he that Tony can polo was well known for beginning that somehow the red letters the red words more inspired authoritative than the Apostle Paul's words audience when she said things like that she is the champion or this voice not only within the SBC but also among people not in the SBC who followed her teachings never cake and eat it too she's trying to keep one foot in the conservative Wayne but really I believe in art art she's she is Egalitarian and she is smash complimentary them and equate it with misogyny and abuse and All of these high crimes against women throughout Chris Charts Culture joining me apostle but I would like to say something here I believe wholeheartedly that all scripture is inspired by God authority truth but the persons themselves obvious told her what it actually means but she's she's she's flip-flopping on both sides of that of that issue she is clearly attacking and part of the Social Justice train this worldly philosophy is invaded the SBC and other nominations. Jim What do you think people complimentary in ISM egalitarianism the idea that we see in these is the fact and some people have broader definitions for it but the the issue is really dealing with the women's role in the church can a woman be a pastor preacher Sunday morning sermon can she have authority over over men this is the issue now the EGALITARIANS would say no woman can do anything a man can do women can be pastors women can do she's doing preaching on at pulpits Beth more claims that she's complimentary and I don't believe in a believe in her heart of hearts she is egalitarian she openly preaches on Sunday morning a morning service which she does do anyway so either way she's fitting in the definition of y'all -tarian there's some people that have a abusive us she's she's equivocating on the meaning of the word complimentary in because she wants to earn the she's a complimentary and then she wants to come out and definition of complementary where they're going to say that a woman is to submit to every man so your wives are supposed to submit to every other man in the church Beth more common for her she tries to have her cake and eat it too says yes I believe that all scriptures inspired but all is not our savior well that would be an abusive definition and not found anywhere in scripture the issue really comes down to what role women can have in church and so and there's different levels some people have some people will say they're complimentary and they're gonNA say well a woman can preach conference as she was doing there but not on a Sunday she obviously gets a lot of positive feedback and affirmation and support from people who want her to go this direction you could hear the people applauding and the jared award media more than it is Sudanese people our power has and she has very bad thinking it's she the question is not hall versus Jesus no one is he doesn't like because the limits her to not have authority over men to not be preaching and teaching men she doesn't like that the is defying Paul Right the question is who wrote the scriptures that especially those verses she doesn't like we I have to start there because I think you're right she equivocate on this I think we just heard in this clip she clearly is defending egalitarianism reason she's pitting Jesus vs Paul with this red letter view is the fact that Paul wrote things in I Timothy Two twelve to fourteen I think what you said Justin is really interesting in this tweet between Paul versus Jesus that she tries to pit because this exposes a real problem that she that's where this is coming from so the question really isn't are people defying Paul the question is in this isn't an urgency question does she actually but his writings were just as inspired as everything that Jesus said there there is no difference between The the word the authority epochs position with her with her and so therefore we should really start with some definitions because we're speaking of terms that may be new to some pe- they were but it's all written by him he's just he's making a false dichotomy she says that Paul would be history and and she conflates it with the inspiration and Orthodoxy so she wants to like justices have her cake Anita to she's she's attacking she's the champion of that voice of a plane outspoken egalitarian and Just know better than I do as she claims to be a complimentary but if she in Paul's words are just as the new stops gone breathe as Jesus words Paul himself was not deity Sunday morning corporate worship in in clear violation of I timothy two I well so it's it's dried either what Paul wrote is from Christ not that he actually speak it but did he god actually write it that's the issue scene look at what happened became elevated above safety and wellbeing of women so high core has it become that in because he didn't write a single versus scripture he said things that are quotes but he didn't write a single one the way she's trying to say Paul did do they rejected they reject what it actually says he they either try to come up with some other meaning for what it says or they say that's just Paul mm faced with the scripture they don't like like what Paul says in I Corinthians Timothy Two twelve to fourteen what did much of the world of complementarity theology is now inflated with in Erin See case in point notice how often are world changes are dismissing that's not as as saying this what have they done they've had a low view of scripture because they're putting Jesus vs Paul Andrew Rappaport we by Biblical interpretations and applications this is a ministry of striving for eternity in the Christian podcast community galleons by saying they have a low view of scripture. Will you know why we say they have a low view scripture as they do true because when i WanNa Galateri that still holds merits doesn't exist it's like big foot rumors and grainy photos Irvine I believe by the way he has been definers you know money is Dean Fine Paul but what we know of Paul is recorded in the new test durians while claiming to not attack commentaries the airing so she's speaking out of both sides of rebel either she's not defining it properly doesn't really exist every denomination it's GonNa Galateri has gone liberal every single one up well the the issue I think here again it's it's conflicting because if we look at the people who are Gal -Tarian we claim that they don't believe in and say well show me in a gala -Tarian show me a denomination that has looking at the transcript which he says right complimentary in theology has become such a high core value that it inadvertently by proof of what we Janis is trying to create a crack between the red letters if you will and in Paul's words because posits things it she just does not like and in earlier in the clip she says it we have conflated commentary in ISM with inaccuracy in eight of levels of the words Christ in words of the puzzle has already scripture. They weren't the abused us they were they were God breathed and so she's creating this falls the dismiss server the right one it's all scripture this is why we would say they have a low view of scripture because they do it it's not the saying you have to be complement -Tarian to have a high view as scripture or become and -tarian is equal to inherently were saying that if you're going to believe in the answer is no she should've got off stage then right I mean that's the answer but then she wants like you're saying and -Tarian compliment terrorism 'cause abuse we heard in the very beginning of the clip she says does complimentary theology 'cause abuse you can't point to I don't know of any complementary in that would embrace abusing women I know people who take complimentary and theology smuggle this end because what she does the rest of what she says is basically say yes it does and people that aren't trained in who would lead to horrible consequences horrible Actions from that the allergy as well so she's she doesn't WanNa have a discussion on the relevancy of the text should be reserved for men and not women and so she she's subtly she suddenly says that if you are a complimentary UNISOM you've deified all and abuse that theology which leads to horrible consequences but you could do the same thing with Egalitarians too I know of Egalitarians who and all of us know complementary Nazem misogynistic and is abusive to women and that's just something that we have to you know that's a form of begging the question she smuggling well complementary and ISM doesn't treat women a spiritual equals in the church complimentary Nissim leads to abusing women which you say you're against and that's when we stop and we say hold on commentary doesn't end the discussion when when she says a we're against abusing women we agree complimentary Nasim abuses women. Well that's something that you you can't prove the focus of the debate because she she smuggled something into the discussion here and and it's worth noting she says you have deified Arian Theology is abusive theology and we're against abusing women so it should begins with that we're against abusing women and all of his complimentary in say absolutely she goes on to do is to answer that yes I I said the answer is no but the real answer's yes yeah inclusion into the premise argument and then arguing from there well I mean this is filled with logical fallacies right that the topic for this conferences does comedy says as inspired scripture taking it seriously that a woman should not exercise authority over a man that woman that the Office of Preaching and Teaching Scripture in the Public Worship Assembly we're against abusing women that's horrible and we should treat women as spiritual equals in the church that's right we would affirm that you treat them spiritual equals in the church Yes we're on board with that John I didn't say I was four abusing women I am a complimentary and therefore you you're in favor of using when you see how she smuggles in the definition a definition of does egalitarianism lead to an all out apostasy with women in leadership abusing and oppressing men well no of course it doesn't but all and and what she doing there she saying if you take seriously and believe in Goppel mentoring them that's defying all as worshiping all instead of Jesus will know we're taking what instead she wants to smuggle in this concept of abuse well if you take all seriously there that women shouldn't teach excise ordeal remain then you must be a complimentary the use of women no it doesn't but she views abuse as I'm not allowed to preach in the Southern Baptist Church therefore I'm being abused and that's a misogynistic position and so then and this is what liberals do constantly they they shift the terms of the discussion so as that it to redefine word so that if you harm this thing within your affirming Excellencies while if you affirm ABC you have to affirm X Y and Z so she'll say things like a complimentary in ISM has led to abuse their Hora compliment which is years but yes complimentary does cause of US imagine if we were to set the terms of the discussion the opposite direction used the same the same way of arguing that she does we'd say she's given us the context she's talking within the SBC but if that's not the view of the SBC therefore she can't be taking that extreme definite and she'll never prove is that preventing a woman to speak at a pulpit or pastor a church causes them to be abused sexually which the issue that the the SBC was addressing the reality is you can't prove that it's not going to be there she's does this over and over Gore debate they don't even pick this up because you obviously did pick it up Jim Wright because everything she then goes on the rest of that clip only coming out of the closet with with her egalitarianism that we've all known shields to my practice and what I think you end up seeing here we all know that Egalitarian put women in leadership had led to the abuse of men and here all the ways that men are abused by Gallup areas is that we done the exact same thing that she has listen to be saying that's what causes the abuse she has the stick within the definition for the SBC therefore it the which she hasn't proven they're not all preaching they're not all pasturing in fact I know you you're pretty protective of your pulpit you don't let just anybody Oregon where she's going to try to say well this is what the SBC had to let women preaches that that's where she's GonNa end up going with this she's she preaching your pulpit is that abusing all those men no I don't think so we regard the pulpit I mean we let you in a couple of times telling us this is this is the view of the SBC so right there what she's done as another fallacy by equivocating because she ginning she says Noah dozen abuses caused by satanic influences and wickedness of the human heart but you know in GM says that but and then she this so when she goes to address everything else in complementary Nazim it's it is a false argument 'cause she's already answered that question but what does she do she gideon's representatives come from churches that don't hold some of our the allergy some of them don't hold complimentary in theology or secessionist theology some of them come from charismatic churches that are for is she's she's GonNa quickey on all this stuff to us things that she has she's ready said the theology isn't because she's already defined it as the SBC well show us where in the SBC they've does because you know what there's plenty of men Jim I know in your church you've got a lot of godly men yeah that's right yeah I was just GonNa say it's it's interesting how she she brace subtly shifts upbeat questioned cannot be trusted I was blown away because you know on this podcast we had Fretilin in circles of the SBC formed so she's given us the context okay she's answered the question it's not complimentary in ISM that does we do have we do have standards that we keep in regard the pulpit of fact we just just recently we address this very issue with having a local Gideon's presents using complementary and is now if she is attacking the complementary in ISM that says that all women are submissive to have to be submissive to all Michelle Leslie come on with an open letter though that several women had signed asking her questioning her about her position on it other Baptist had a female pope would be Beth more you cannot question her she is sometimes I'm just it's demonic or sin and grow selfishness in the human heart 'cause abuse demonic influences however has the culture gobsmack at her at her lack of self awareness the things that comes out of her mouth is just utter hypocrisy in in that's great but we we a broken clock is right twice a day so we know we don't let every man here preach and the best more cannot be trusted because she cannot be questioned absolutely absolutely the the open letter was very clear very succinct sexuality and she basically slammed those women as saying well they don't they didn't come through the proper channels they didn't do it the right way they don't have a nation be doing this softball questions I mean the ball was sitting on the T. begging to be knocked out of the park and Beth more dived and she did she did just exactly what she horrible doctrine and and in years past we have allowed them to come and present the Gideon Ministry and talk to people about what they're doing we just said no we're not going to do this anymore did in this video she says oh I affirm all scripture I believe that all scriptures but she did not answer the simple direct questions he's submitting the the open letter she just won't lower herself to that standard in and ask questions that should be buried N. well that's not the species view nor is it complementary and you correct we'll see some complementarities might say that's their view but how they operate is you're always victims perpetual victimhood status I'm the victim I've been oppressed and that's exactly what biff Moore's doing is playing the social justice victimhood car you know poor Beth more all these people picking on her yeah I I'm convinced on just on the other side of the coin of point does egalitarianism itself leads the abuse bet no technically doesn't does complimentary newsham itself under no other circumstances would we allow one of those guys to take our open address are people so why should them being a gideon all of a sudden giving him a pass for that so but that's not that's not because there are companies that provide health care for women to get pregnant women I'm waiting for culture be like well that's not fair plus you need leaders about this stuff but no one can question her either so that's part of the social justice mode of operation that's that's on Sunday morning well if you believe that then you're not complementary yes I believe that all scripture is inspired I just don't think for example in this in the topic of our conversation here yes I'm complimentary and I just believe that a woman can preach to the gathered body conservative Lingo but the redefine those terms they they will use the terms with which we would identify but they ascribe to those terms different meetings APP themselves in a conservative mantle but they completely redefine the terms it's like what the Roman Catholic Church does with Grace Oh yes we believe in and going after the in attacking the women who had the nerve to question her so justin by her own word does this mean that we can officially say attention where we've decided now that we're not gonNA have a Gideon's common present from the pulpit unless they're meme Gideon member of our church and the reason being is because a lot of eight example what you just said it yeah she's she's about that she's above US little peons I asking questions she's above these lady how far too many SBC congregations and SBC seminaries so few women are in any visible area of leadership that walked me that she would have the audacity to say this so I wrote it down because this wasn't in the transcript that line of it but she said those who can women who are being abused by the system itself or within within it by people that are in a place of power don't have any there is a man want to get pregnant I think you need to pay for medical I could be pregnant it goes against the very definition right breath more is it here's another thing that the social justice Allah tactics part of the social justice taxes is that they use well hey this is one of the things I saw that she slipped in right from the beginning right because she says she says it's it's not the theology email to turn to they don't even know where to go you know where I would go if I wanted a female opinion my bride zooms that every man in leadership is an abuser and every woman and churches complicit with it if you have nowhere to go yeah let's see in our culture that we're in today it has been so confused that in her mind this now makes sense I mean you have people that are when you look at this whole thing with gender quote and say she's complimentary there's no way because what does she arguing for women in leadership the very definition issue that we don't like those people or those people or anything like that it's not being abusive just not want to ask you this question because there's something she said toward the end just totally shut so yeah she cannot be questioned she is she is that Gee is that of whom cannot be touched see is it until people have if I think this was an interesting quote she had I thought that this shows how she gets spun up in her her rhetoric and doesn't even think about what she's saying she said and the nonsense that goes on where people are moisten I were just talking about this earlier today we're waiting the health industry argue that the women aren't in leadership because think about it so you have a couple of different ways to to Parse this and with her you you end up having ride spread that it deserves the entire revamping of the entire SBC to to remedy the situation you know we have we have one of the speakers at striving for attorneys soon to answer and this is why this is hypocritical to to for her she's playing the victim in this being like Oh look you can't you can't you click he was he resigned from church over claims of sexual abuse it was a strange thing and seniors if they can't find a woman didn't know where they are in my house that's that's where they are and where do the we're bringing up so I think the one thing that really is clear is she is finally come out and made it very clear she's not well they don't need a woman in leadership to turn to woman if it's at the women are being abused because there's no women in leadership that can put a stop to this well okay it's a different ways because she is never clear words if you're going to Parse it that the men in leadership don't have a woman to turn to because there's not a woman in leadership leaders can you point me specifically anything that fits this description and chances are good it would not be able to point to any southern Baptist Church that fits the in Paul's words are fired is Jesus will then you don't believe in the verbal planetarium's Scripture I believe God speaks to me today but what he says to me is not as inspired scripture is you say they you know they they make these false dichotomies and they try to because the man still gonNa Abuse The woman that's in leadership right but when she argues that she's not an egalitarian there's no way you could take this about should just speaking all these generalities again that we would agree with it abuses wrong etcetera and then she describes these situations where the shepherds guarding she she mentioned that at one time and my challenge or would be where is this church what which church is it into the name and the city that it's in the name of the Church and who are the turn ism were a woman I tell you that the woman is being abused by someone needs to call the police and start investigating and God help us if the police and he stepped down and some other church brought him in and all the guys the SBC pastors local pastor said no Harris. If you're going to believe God wrote this then you believe God wrote all of this even the parts you don't like you telling me that there's not an equal number of women in the average southern Baptist shirts and there are men I would bet that in most southern Baptist churches there are more women than there are men she's GonNa a complimentary and she's very much against it yeah and she she does an another sort of sleight of hand here is that she begins to speak are women are in these churches they have nowhere to go to add they're being abused and the men who are abusing them are just protecting the shepherds. It's shepherds guarding shepherd Sir I've always been independent Baptist I've never supported denominations anyway but you know it was interesting at the end of this because you said she plays the victim description and and and so she speaks in these generalities and and but without naming any specifics as if as if what she is describing is so I also you put a woman in leadership if her if her stinking is correct every man is an abuser in every woman the victim putting a woman in leadership doesn't change it this I mean I I think what she does she gets like herself kind of like the the African American pastors where they get into the cadence and everyone just gets into it and they don't that's not going to happen and so there so we have your men in leadership SBC putting a stop to a man who wants to be a pastor again who has been involved in some questionable practices as a leader so right there this isn't as such as a pastor pastor frank malls he's involved right now with a pastor who the the SBC group local group is preventing a guy basically the whole cadence and this woman is walking passing amen preach it and he's preaching Little Miss Mufid I think she gets you to that 'cause she's like if does she puts it to ever like every SBC Church and it's everywhere in the sec she does this strange analogy I don't know if you guys really understood you know if if you're GonNa if if you're trying to say that she's saying this that the the women being abused have nowhere to turn to because all the men in leadership not that that is me sick and that is the more has put me in a place where I have to defend SBC church pastors and that's uncomfortable here Grace we just believe you have to bear it will then it's no longer grace Zi what I'm saying so they use the they use the same terms but they ascribe different meanings to these types about what they're saying I have a friend of mine says Black Pastor Preach Little Miss Muff it and people will a minute and I was like I can't happen we were in this missionary housing and he's like he's doing it was used a complimentary and isn't that is abusive that's unclear she she's having both ways you know what what Andrew is an aspect of this just makes it's a new low in American evangelicalism when Justin and I have to come to the defense of the SBC we'll see I've never been part of a denominational church these are in on it and now I will enter the witness protection program victims world who sees things are playing the victim card again so is it complementary that is being well we're we're being attacked because we're speaking the truth what truth is she speaking she she said is competent the topic of her thing record she quotes a passage from a Fijian's and she does it so she could play the victim card in in she quotes there where she saying for the glory of God this podcast is striving for Turkey Ministry for more content to Speaker for seminar to your church but a segue attorney dot org despite what he wrote if you actually read what he wrote you realize he wasn't a Christian he he was a human secularist go to trash the country social justice claim evangelical lingo claim conservative Lingo in but they redefine they hear what she's saying they hear the emotion she has in it and they they feel she's right when you parse what she actually says her actions and what she defends deny it it's much in the same vein is you hear Democrats on the what is defending speaks louder than what she's claiming she might have a solid statement of faith when when we started talking about that because I was thinking Hitler everyone likes to say Hitler was a Christian and you what did he do with Bible believing Christians he killed him he she says she's complementary and wash defending egalitarianism she says that complementary in theology doesn't cause abuse while she defends that it does cause abuse you you you know there is that thing where people say one thing but their actions speak louder than their words I'm in prison he used Christianity and said I'm a Christian look I'll put it on my my logo but he didn't believe it by his practice point and this is how she gets away with it though is because of the fact that she does this it's a smokescreen people don't see it because doc level where we're patriotic we love the united were patriotic we just believe the United States America's the single largest cause of evil in the world same lingo but she is a scribe ing new definitions to that Lingo this is part of what the Social Justice Movement does they take your language in redefine she says in the thing that we just read write that she's talking about complementarity in ism causing the abuse but yet it's not the president of the SBC that position if it was handed to her own a silver platter by Fiat saying Beth more next year word on the mentally transformed the United States America right yeah well he did just in a bad way but no I I was actually thinking of different politician making with this don't Jim I don't in here in here's why don't a couple of things I believe that even if we're going to install you as the president of the Southern Baptist Convention she would turn it down I fully believe she would turn it down because she doesn't want is also saying in this quote that company terrorism itself as being abused so what truth is she actually saying the when you re through this whole thing we're we're patriotic we love the United States we believe it's the most unfair country depresses the poor that it's that kind of thing they they they claim the patriotic label and then the thing is the truth cheese claiming is egalitarianism defending him yes he's as I said a minute ago she is using the those terms and make them mean something that they never met you just triggered Jim there here's the fact that there's even serious discussion about her possibly being the president of the Southern Baptist Convention tells you that the SP for two her owner silver on a silver platter but that having been said the fact that these conversations are even taking place in the SBC US an assertion of our own her own qualifications to take over the presidency you think that that is an endgame clay that she for stations that those conversations wouldn't be taking place it's just like in the United States of America what according to Gallup roughly seventy percent of the people in the United States he has lost the battle has been lost the war has been lost if the SBC was as conservative in was as faithful the America claim to be Christians or if that number even remotely close to be true we wouldn't be debating abortion we wouldn't we wouldn't have enshrined homes she will gain more power in the SBC attacking the abuse and being the spokesman for all. Now you can get really do you get the feeling with Beth Moore part of this coming out against complementary and Hasim is is a is a run or sexual marriage by the Supreme Court of the United States we wouldn't even be having those discussions so the very fact that those conversations and discussions but I think she's doing this for I was gonna say I kind of agree with with Justin before different reason I think she read rejected because SBC women she will gain more power than being president I believe because the president won't be able

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Andrew and Matt are Back and so are the Trolls

"Ricki. Par Christian puck. Right. We are live. I don't know. Matt did you hear the introduction music? I don't know that was playing. That's weird. It was not playing through the system sorry about that. But we are alive and we thank you for joining us. This was we just get started or any there are some super chats. So let me first introduce us before we go to the super chats. If that's okay, I am Andrew Rappaport, the host, and I am with striving for attorney ministries, and we have. Matt slick in the house, both of us together. It's been a while since we've been together, Matt. Not long enough. All right. So John Trine gave to ninety nine cents super chats. Thank you very much for that. And as always, I mentioned that the super chats to Karm dot org. It goes to help support them for folks. Good of we need that just really need it. Yes. So and for folks who, who know you know, this is politics live is show, that's put on by striving for trinity. But we work with Karm crazy idea to Christian ministries, working together, Matt. That's kind of insanity house that what it I don't know. I think we don't take each other too seriously. And that's probably the thing that don't take you seriously complete joke. So hey, you know. And I don't think you seriously. There we go for experts here. Come on. That's right. Be I mean you might as well get your theology straight now. So that when you're in heaven, you don't have to change like me. I don't I don't know about you, but I'm. Changing. I'm not holy in perfect life. You are. So I've been gone met to your favorite area place. You, you really love going to now you gotta you to tell you why teasing. But why do you say it that way? Okay. So Matt, there's a couple of things Matt really doesn't like one is noise, too much noise too much noise. The other is traffic and the Philippines had a lot of both. But I had something that is not willing to do. And for folks who want to make sure Matt's faces on here when, when I'm saying this, but Matt, I enjoyed some balut. That face from that. So for folks listening on the podcast, Matt, just made a very interesting face of complete disgust. Because. He cannot handle eating balut it tasted sweeter was like having sweet egg, you know, I'm going to start hurling here pretty you want to explain what is. You too. I don't wanna. Okay, so balut. We Justin Peters, and I were in the Philippines to do some conferences, and I actually spoke more than you. And I did on that apologize. Cruise we did together? And we felt a lot. Yeah. I think in those we did we did you did. I think either you did nine than I did a messages in seven days. Right. And this trip I did twelve messages in ten days. It was do some math on price pretty close. So what was that? You did. How many so I ended up doing twelve messages in ten days so he did to it's ten for twelve okay? I'll get a ratio and I did nine in how long have we, we were gone for. It was like a seven or eight day. So technically, I guess ten eight days, seven nights, so that's going to do the math on that of nights, all eight days. Okay. I'll work it out. You work it out. So, so we were we were out in the Philippines, and, you know, one of the things that wasn't courage ING was I ran into some people who listen to this show, and the reason that's super encouraging is this is playing live in the Philippines at eight AM Friday morning is when we start. And so we, we run eight to ten Friday mornings, and there are people who watch live from the Philippine. So they're getting up early and check in this out, and they had people say, how helpful this show has been for them and learn how to answer questions. And we, we really had an impact there in the Philippines. I have a podcast, my rapper podcast dropped this weekend. Justin peterson. I got together. And we discussed the, the two weeks we were in the Philippines, and it was the a great impact now new year, urine courage, when you hear these things, but we had several people that are in were, I should say, in were to faith churches, and are not anymore, a number of people who left victory, Christian church, which is one of the big word efface churches, and the other g twelve and they were telling us and still content even as last night, when we're just before Justin I recorded, we got a message from someone that was letting us know that because of the theme out we dealt with the issue of women preachers, and over that issue, they realized they had to leave their church to two women preachers. And so it's, it's neat to, to realize that, you know, we could fly to the Philippines. And literally as one person said the whole country is talking about the conferences that we had. So it's good to know. There was an impact there. So good. So what is I'm just reading what Bill is saying in the Chad? He says welcome back, Andrew, Matt will spend time in purgatory while Andrew, the Saint will go straight. I like Bill bill's a good guy all of a sudden. Hey, so there there's a new thing I guess, on Facebook where people can put up these voting's. And I've been noticing some, some websites had voting on podcasts. Well gospel track planet decided to put up your favorite living preacher. I don't know if you're even on that list actually met. Oh, but I got paired up in round one. Vs Phil Johnson. There's no way making it. Pest round one. John MacArthur up against like Kenneth Copeland like seriously. That's like a no brainer. All right. I have to go. I'll have to look to see if Matt six on the list. What's the gospel track planet? I should I should look to see if you're even on that list, that would be bad. What if you're not even on the list? Then all of a sudden they would go up in value. Tracked comparison thing. But anyway, I will say, okay. Here I will get you the. How do I how do I get the link? Well, here's here's the put the Lincoln the chat here, and I'll put it in the. You don't have a couple of hours to vote against me is really funny. Phil Johnston said that he, he voted for me. I said, good. I voted for you. So it's Jeff Durban versus tallies. I, I like this one cost the hin versus Benny hen. I can't. We see the result of that one. I think he's gonna win James white versus Craig free overseas. Platt, Lawson versus Alstine Lawson wins there. Diong versus Packer. Ferguson versus Ray comfort, Copeland versus MacArthur. So that's the that's the first half. And then Paul washer versus Stephen Fertig. Matt Chandler versus Mark Dever Francis Chan we talked about Francis Chan in the Philippines. We could get to him. Chan verses Biki and let me turn his volume down. And then we had, let's see ouster beg versus Ravi, Zacharias voting Bachan versus Bill Johnson Nevo twins. They're Justin Peters. Made it. He's going up against Frank Turk in round. One me versus Phil Johnson, and Al molar versus John piper. You know, I suddenly I like gospel track planet even more because you didn't make it to the list, Matt. Nigger rivers down hill. Okay. Someone has only only we probably heard that someone's TV or what was. All right. So, but yeah, it was it was good being in the Philippines. Good to be able to meet some of our, our listeners and be able to see them face face take some photos with them. That was encouraging. I'm gonna I'm gonna try to get the video of me having the balut just so you can see it's disgusting. You'd explain what it is. Okay. All right. I'll explain what it is. And so Justin Peters had the same face that you had. So what balut is is. They take a duck, egg fertilized duck egg, and they. I'm not sure you. Stomach. I'm going to actually. Microwave. You tell me when you're ready. The best part is Mack. Okay. You take it fertilized duck egg, you let it grow a little bit. And then they boil it. So depending on the stage of development, you have different stages, and you'll get the duck having well, sometimes it'll be pretty well developed, so that would be something you, can you can look at all right. We'll give them at the thumbs up. We're done mad safe. Yeah. Get video from that. All right. He squad went dead. Oh, matt. There we go. All right. I was I'm you. Oh, did someone muted me? Oh, okay. Well. And we're just gonna people are not allowed to come in here and mute the hosts. All right. So cat. Let me let me add you in and ask you because I don't know when let's see, when when was I muted. How did I explain what a balut is? I heard something something stage of the duck and then that was it so maybe to start over again. Oh, poor Matt. Okay. Go ahead. So basically, what it is, is you, you take a fertilized duck egg, you let it grow quite a bit. And you at different stages. You can, then eat the duck egg. They they boil it. So it becomes a hardboiled egg. It's very sweet tasting egg is really what it is. And but that's basically what it is in pending on the age of development. You either get it with the beacon and Alton testi-, or you just get it where it's just a Little Brown piece of something in the neck. So we'll give math thumbs up. Okay. I just I enjoyed it tasted good. So didn't enjoy the pig's blood that I ate. But I ate anything that they put in front of me, basically. But so but it was a good. It was good conference. Matt. We, we definitely got to see a lot of people who were very. Who are learning a lot and one of the things that was unexpected. We were down in this Abhu, which is there to, to we did too discernment conferences. And the one in Sabuku was very interesting because what I didn't realize as we're going to Q and A was there were three rows of female pastors, all like right to my right and a question that came up because both Justin an I had dealt with the role of women as pastors and why we feel trong and what was very able as it's wrong. Yeah. Why the bible says wrong, okay? Let me just get someone who is Dwight us blocking. Yeah. We're just going to Egypt him. So obviously, the trolls are here in full force, blocking us in meeting, the very, very adults like is little babies. All it does, they should know that all it does is just vindicate us. They hobby. You know get your kicks from it and think it's funny. But what you don't realize what it does to at least to me. I can tell you what to me. I don't know about you, but it actually encourages. Yep. And, and they're in and muting and. I was gonna say that what it does for it, it L helps encourage me to work harder against lactose and losers. That system put together, you know, it's funny though is I noticed that the time that we get the trolls in the most is, when you and I talk about things like word of faith. Yeah. Interesting expansion of the gospel, missionary, preaching you're teaching in the Philippines. There's obviously a spiritual battle going on in the enemy has his servants, and they listened to the cry and whining of the of the false spiritual side. And, and they serve it, Nick amended do things like this, that they think are fun when it said nothing but foolishness immaturity, and, and malicious intent and I would say, this is the proof that they know God exists, because these guys that say they're atheists, and would argue that they know God doesn't exist. They would not if they really believed it, they wouldn't waste their time. Coming into Christian groups just because distraction, they wouldn't do it. Yeah. So it's just me. I moved a great deal and twenty six hundred twelve very skinny kid. And so I grew up with the mentality of bullies everywhere I learned to resist them and other fight against the mostly mentally and then later physically, but the capability of physically, but the thing is that, you know, I carry that over to now they're they behave like that bullies in it. Would it caused me to do is go? Okay. I'll just work all the harder. Yeah. Do so we had so picture the scene. We I didn't realize at the time that there was these three Rosa female pastors. And. The question came up because Justin idell with what the bible says about this topic and the question was, you know, if we're in a church, where female pastor, how do we transition to a male pastor? And if no men step up, what do we do? And so is my turn to answer. I so I came in and basically, I just was my first okay? We're just gonna keep tossing people. They're just it just gets annoying, but. Someone just muted came in a muted. So basically, what we end up seeing is that. Way they got to do. I'm trying to help. Yes. Are go ahead. Right. Right. I'm john. Yeah. I was trying to figure out who need me. I didn't know it was you. But we getting we're getting trolls in the watching fade to. Yeah. Okay. So, so it was you know, I just had a quick answer. You know, I want I was my turn to answer. I so I just said, you know what do you do to transition from a female pastor to amount? Pastor fire the female, pastor no men, step up close the church and there was like cheering from everywhere, except for this one section the right where they all win. I guess I was a little bit too, too strong on that. Yeah. I've said something similar of radio people, vast. What do I say that women need to step down, and, and it's a men, don't do anything, then they just sit and do nothing at the church doesn't work. It doesn't work it fails because the men are failing to do their jobs. And that's what it is. Yeah. That is what it is. They were not there were some who are unhappy. One of the guys didn't like that. I, I mentioned him by name, here's his quote that he said Matt. He said that a now I'm gonna paraphrase found quote directly in front of me. But he said that some people say that the love of money is the root of all evil. But I say to you that the lack of money is the root of all evil, if you want proof, try not having money, and the devil will come out in your wife. So let me ask you. I did he quote the verse properly. No. What is the verse versa address? But it's the love of money is the root of all evil all kinds of evil. Right. But his argument is that the lack of money as he sits with a picture of his Lamborghini. So, you know that that's what we end up seeing from, you know. These guys are out there, trying to get money for themselves. You know. Who said that it was, this was the, this was the quote unquote pastor of g twelve g twelve is a church that wants to take dominance over the government. That's what the G is for. They're gonna take they're gonna take dominion to an air type church. I know. But what's the name of the pastor who said that I look up his name again? I have it in my notes. I've heard that quote recently, I just forgot who it was. Yeah. I it's a heresy. It's and notice notice what happen the lack of money. So it's, it's an alteration of the word of God, and then the development of doctrine based on experience in complete submission of to God to the person's preferences, the elders we should see at this point, while he's preaching and teaching that message what we should say, are the horizontal flying of the elders as they have launched themselves in the knee tackle position to shut him up. And then drag him by his ankles, off the stage so that he doesn't say any more profound heresy, but the elders didn't do their job either. Because they, they unfortunately end up agreeing with them, because it was one of the elders I think that was upset with me. So this was in Philippines. Yeah. This was in the Philippines is. And we actually had Justin had one of the guys he mentioned. And this is really going to get you spun up, but. Joey, Joey Bonna facia is a one of the preachers down there, and he has been promoting building bridges, and so his good friend that they friends from. Well, we're gonna see what that is physical richest. Now he wants to build bridges with Catholics. And so his good friend, who he calls a leader and a summer or the Philippines. So he is friends with both Sanchez and all Justin did was quote the guy and his son, David was very unhappy with that said that, that all Justin did was quote him. And he was saying that he was missed. You know, his slandering him. He was doing character assassination. His brother Joseph jumped in and I said to his brother Joseph, if quoting your father is slander, then you've got a very low view of your father, right? Because it's your father's words. So let me ask you this because I, I talk about this with Justin on the on the rep podcast, is it okay to call out public ministries, is it because the thing that we kept hearing was, we did you go to them privately. So do we need to go to people privately about things they say in public before saying, good question? I think bible. Bibles and say about that's particular thing. So it's a little bit debatable, but I think it's a good idea to try and contact them first to see you can say, try to contact them and then go just for that, that reason, people can't have that complaint. But if they're gonna say something publicly, then I think it's game for a public review, but I like the idea of going to the privately Joyce Meyer. She says said some things publicly in her writings as and of videos that heretical we tried to contact her, and we have it all documented, and, and no response. So okay, we tried. And so he went forward. So that complaint can't be leveled against us. And that's exactly what Justin, I did we actually tried before we start at any of the conferences, we wanted to have a get together with these false. Teachers before we got there soon as we got there, and it was interesting because I had said that we did that and one guy actually posted. This was a beautiful thing is. He posted the picture. Of the message that he received from. So one of the local people, they're saying, we'd like to get together Justin Peters, Andrew uper coming in town, going do determine conference, they'd like to get together with you. And he wanted more information, and they were, and he said, well, let's get together and discuss it and the person never showed up. And so he says, we'll see you. You know you didn't invite us. Yeah, you got the invitation you had the date the time, but you wanted more requirements to it and, and that didn't happen. That doesn't mean you are invited. Right. You know, and to be fair, I mean, if we don't know all of the people how to a lot of these were to faith, guys have a lot of people between them you go to a website, and you're not going to get hold of a Benny Hinn. You know. But you know, we only do what you can do. I mean say, look, we we went to the process that they provide it. So that's what we did. And we there was nothing that came back. What are we gonna do? Down there and, and sneak in, in the after hours, wait in a closet. And then when they walk by jump out, you know what are you gonna do? I would love to see you described that picturing you like sitting Betty. In revival like sneaking underneath the underneath the stage or something waiting to pop out. Yeah, I would and weird hair straightened. That would be good. But, but you know we you and I both know someone that did do something similar to that didn't wait night. Why don't you tell that story? You mean what Justin did? Yeah. He you know, he's told the story every time and you know how he went up to was it. Timely dot Bentley. That's right. Do you know the story, you know better than I do you went up there? What fractious? Yup. Or and try to get a healing. And I you know, I know he work, so. He looked up behind him literally walked onstage, and it's not like just with crutches going to get there. There might be people who don't know who just impede her condition. All right. You're right guy. Very good point. So Justin Peters has several palsy which means he can't walk very far he walks on crutches. He usually is in a motorized scooter, and he found out that Todd Bentley was doing a live stream in his area, and he had realized it was going to be the next night, and it was in being aired in twenty some countries. And so Justin thought wouldn't this be good? If we got the true gospel message to be proclaimed on the airwaves there. So he walks up, and, and this is the irony is he it's not like he can walk quickly. He got all the way and there's a short video on YouTube. You see him when he's just behind Todd Bentley. And he just turns them and says, Todd Bentley's like, oh, we'll pray for you. Thinking he's up there for healing. And he goes. Justin, just says I have a word and you know, very well mess. What, what is that? When Bill say a word in those charismatic circles, what does that usually mean I mean to Lourdes, telling him something to tell you the it's from God. Yeah. And so what did he do? He he basically quoted Matthew seven twenty one to twenty three referring to Todd Bentley as someone who's gonna hear the Lord say, I never knew you depart from me. You practice lawlessness and Bentley. I, I, I love when Justin explains because he goes, you know, he'll be like, you know, this guy says he has knowledge from God and yet he didn't know what was about to happen. And the guy. Just he should've known. Yeah. Justin goes and the knuckle it gives me the microphone. So. Todd, Bentley says, who's the man and just goes you are. He starts preaching the gospel as they usher him out. And when you heard that story you decided that Justin Peters is who I called him that man. And hence the reason. He liked that. That was awesome. It was he's he is one of the boldest people. I know and the humblest at the same. Yes, he's a great guy. He has. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was how did they get around? Okay. I mean did he run? Okay in the Philippines, on a problem was it was a little bit hard, actually because we were innovation where basically the only way we could get him in had to go in the van and pick him up from his shoulders, while someone else picked his legs up, it was the only way we could get him into the man. And then we're picking his scooter up and having a low put that into the back of. And so my back was hurting by the end of that trip. And but then we, you know, it we're good in most of the places we went to on Sunday. We went to different churches. He went to the church with the elevator. A mix sense. Yeah. So I went to the church, there was an hour and a half. Two hours away and had four flights of stairs. And so it should be. Yeah. So, but it was it was it really was good. The food was good. I know you wouldn't have liked it. But I enjoyed it. No. Thanks. When I went to the Philippines, you know, we had we didn't have as good as you in a lot of ways. But, you know, ships and and sleeping in some odd things. Once we had to sleep in a I remember our mattress was an eighth of an inch thick and underneath us was a much chickens underneath the shed. We, we were we had puts mosquito netting up and then to go out in the bathroom, you had to go the bathroom into the mosquito netting and go out into an outhouse, and they warned us don't sit down without checking what you're sitting on because creatures would get in there. And so that was the worst situation that we had, but we also said at a nice hotel, too, but, you know it was great. The food was fine. But they don't know a lot of people don't know that what you mentioned earlier why, you know, the noise, that's where you only place only time I've ever had a severe. Dear. And it was a severe panic attack. I might entire life, and it was well was stuck in a van and the driver, the driver. And he was honking, the horn had his Filipino, whatever music on those guys in my right talking to a guy fronts conversation. Two guys behind me, and I was getting overloaded, because I have a not an auditory problem with too much noise. Just what it is. And overloaded and panicked. And they had to stop the van and took about twenty minutes from me to recover. So I went into shock. So that's when you were in, because you did son I didn't do as you got to ride a jeepney this. This fun. And we also went out to a man. We went out to some place, there's no electricity. No running water. It was no air conditioning. No hate the whole bit. And it was like an orphanage and the day they just gave us their food basically, and we left him a lot of money for that. And they gave us these fish they'd caught of an much to them to Loppy, but these are small to Loppy then we went to another place. We rode on little scooters. They had to have guides take us up and we went up into the hill aside hill country, and there were it was really interesting. I mean, the chapel was four posts and a single wall with a cover and that was the chapel. And it was maybe twelve by twelve kind of thing, and there were these village huts and you could see through them because the, the thing. They used to build them. Weren't always that good. And we were sitting in trying to have a bible, study teaching time in this woman comes in from the from the village, and she's got a baby, next to her, and she just takes offer top as ours breastfeeding, right there. Okay with ever, but it was just a different environment in the men were all gone because they were on a long trip trying to get some. How them that you, you're muted by almost dejected. You yourself. We just had to checked another, another very looser wacko her, so tolerant, man, aren't they other hypocritical? So I leaned were you on when you went to Philippines? But we were in the bottom third bottom quarter. Oh, so that's, that's the area that has more Muslims, were, we were in the Catholic area in Manila insa. Boo. Yeah. Yeah. We. I don't know what to me say because I thought about the church. The last five seconds. You were mentioning the church and you could see through it. Yeah. And then what was interesting was while we're trying to have a discussion about the Lord and things it would just culture difference. This woman comes up, she's got a nice, baby and is ringworm and they'd have health problems and she just drops her top inserts breastfeeding like it was just normal. And so we're trying to have a study and it was no big deal. But just the, the difference of culture and how they were, but I will say this remember this I'm sure you experience the same thing, the warmth the friendliness, the people it was great. You know. Hold on, Mattie. Mutiti again. Bill Gates muted you on corn videos. So they what they just come in to this. This is like the seventh the seventh one that what they're doing. It's probably one person who's going creating a new account coming in. It's, it's always named Bill Gates something black charger, and yeah. The very material. Dischord server. I'm kind of juggling three different pages. Now, children and okay. Let's let's discuss this. I mean, well, actually, I don't know if cat you have any questions tonight. Was just going to ask about a topic that a lot of people are asking, but I'm seeing that there's a Christopher in here and I don't know if he's here with a legitimate question. Not. So I love for years is not legitimate. You're saying no minds legitimate, but I don't know hearts for and I'm hoping he's not a troll, but so far so good pretty long. So I added Christopher so we'll, we'll see Christopher you have any questions you can meet yourself. I've turned up your volume. Yes. Yeah. Not troll. Actually. You've been here before I recognize. Now I remember looking at your picks. So what's your question for tonight? To the Neue. Covenant like in the first versions of Schefter nine I'm not been fulfilled in Christ. Detailing the way come to all I know of Bill. Building. On. Tonight by went about like. If. Person else's blood basically helped understatement. Are some to that. Awesome. Yeah. There's like it sounds like a fan on behind your son, speaking really, it's really hard to hear you something better. So try that again. Two. Yeah, you're over modulated to turn your volume down all all. I'll try that. How about that? Little bit better. But turned down some more. All. How about now a little bit better? Those I can go without meeting. My I myself. Okay. Okay. My question is in regards to dresses chapter nine verse five and whether or not applicable for today. Genesis nine five. Chile will require your lifeblood from every base, I will require it from every man from the revenge brother require life man sheds men's blood by men's lead. She'll be shed. Rainbow. The covenant was app, get rid of the cat here. The old covenant was abrogated, if you go to thirteen and he was nine fifteen to sixteen you'll see that the covenant with its stipulations and things like that are no longer in effect, don't have to worry about them. That's a long short version. The capital and never sin will maybe except that capital punishment. Seems to be promoted in Genesis. I mean enrollments. Right. That's us wondering too. I, I wasn't sure if there's a connection between nine five and Romans thirteen like the first couple of versus in that chapter. Well, you know, the idea of the government, having the right of, of execution is still there, and it was reiterated New Testament, but the way stuff, either do a deeper study on it. And but I think Andrew, my Nola, but more about a Jewish background, but the new stuff falls aren't at the Old Testament covenant system, which was abrogated. He was eighty nine so don't have to worry about those things. And that's a general statement to study that more to see what's going on with it. But that's how I would launch what initially. Yes. I'm good. I have another question if you guys have time sure. Okay. It's actually having relations like the billing Burgess thing Andrew mentioned earlier on in the video chat. There have been some, some Christians have been promote bridges between even Catholics, I know of and buy up scripture brought up on scripture guards to what Rome teaches, and I'm claims of the pulse gospel that they tended to nothing about that too much on his suggestions in regards to how I can bring the truth of Rome, new the gospel to the professing to Christians. What do you say to those who want to unite with the Roman Catholics in various issues? Yeah. Even like train Dover's like stay like, like movies, movie script those things. I. Movie scripts, I thought was joining with Catholics Alison movie scripts, so I didn't action. Me. So that would be the means of joining a with Catholics on the Catholic, and even quote Ryan movie together on like spiritual stuff. Well, you know, this is. It could be difficult thing. Can you work with Nathan can you work with a Mormon depending the certain context you talking about spiritual things me? I probably would not be able to work with a Roman Catholic on spiritual. Because on the county probably isn't saying, you know, so. You know as the bible says, in segment, six fourteen bound to go with unbelievers for what part of his, righteousness lawlessness. Fellowship is light with darkness, so sacred six fourteen talks about this, that we got be careful of where we draw unions. So that's actually I've actually brought that. Very thank Rilling with the guy though, with the guy but you keep mindset doesn't apply to. The script situation. Well. It is kind of a gray area because, you know what if I wrote a novel and they wanted to turn into a movie what I Bill to work with the unbelievers onset. For example, about the promotion of the movie. What do you do? It's a situation. And so you gotta think about things and. And I would say way h situation on its own its own merit. And according to conscious of the individual. That's fair. Well, like the topic like abortion or whatnot, because I know they're like Roman Catholics that we could that's on the abortion issue, if they want to the joint movie on, like, being antiabortion violate Corinthians, six fourteen eighty well, understanding what's segmented six. Fourteen means is another issue was it mean to be bound with an unbeliever. What does that mean you know? So I don't know. We have to look me, I do to some degree, but it's. Hold on. I gotta take care of something. We'd have to look at and, and expound on and then apply the principles out of that be to individual situations. I try not to just say, okay, all of it's wrong all of its good all of bad. But to try and work things according to. According to wisdom fairness and as sometimes situations can. Well, make things difficult. Let's say to, to deal with certain applications of scripture. Okay. That makes sense. Yeah. Second corinthians. Six comic acid to use other other passages like an Old Testament. That would be figures without taking context regards said, not behind the wheel. Honey to unbelievers. You know, I tell you, he's asking are there any other passages other than the being. Unequally yoked. Oh, similar patches is like that off the top of my head. I don't know. But we do have that brick apiece at six fourteen eight through eighteen as you said, I look what I could do. Just look on. And while you look that up, let me just say this for Christopher is, you know, some people a lot apply that only to marriage that a believer shouldn't get married to numbly. But when you look at it talks about partnership, which if you're doing a book together, or movie, script, or, which are like that, you have a partnership, if, if you're having a partnership, and it's going to be a movie about. I don't know going to college, maybe it's not a big deal. But when you say that it's a book about spiritual issues, you know, now, you've to you've now, you have a partnership on something that's both light in darkness. Now, the partnership is dealing with the issues that you have a difference on. And so if you have, and this is the whole thing that why we had an issue with Joey bonfire. She owes relationship Sanchez there in the Philippines is because that's light and darkness. Oh, these he claims to be like the only way he that Joey Bonifazio is not in violation of that is if he's not a believer because there's no way the Roman Catholic teaching Roman Catholic doctrine can be a believer. And so therefore when they worked together on spiritual matters. That's why just an I had the issues with it because he's promoting a Roman Catholic teaching Roman Catholic doctrine. And saying this is. You know, this is a good thing to do. Can't do that. You cannot promote the lies in the heresy the Roman Catholic church, and you gotta be very careful to not join with them and thereby accidents promote them. It's I. Yeah. I strongly, they're just while the pressing ideal is there's a there's a Christian guy that I know who runs on the young history, and whenever I brought out there on the Catholic. Sure, he doesn't really think it's that big of a deal here. Call the radio show or come in and talk talking here. And we slowly list out things and show him with the problems are with Catholicism all the concern, I would have is after a long period of time if he's if he's showing no concern over that. And he wants keep working with a Roman Catholic on spiritual matters. I would start to question his salvation because the only way the Holy Spirit. If he's in dwell with the way, spirit, the holy, spirit's not gonna let that continue. Unless he's not a believer. So that I mean over a long period time. You gotta start question that with them. The way for point of my knowledge. I think he's, he's talking about the gospel. Several times came to know inside now. Just enough with the day per heresies of the Roman Catholic church, the case either. Or maybe basically several years ago, I went through both. I'm not sure you ever heard of the book book called on the gospel according to Rome by game. It is an awesome book awesome. I have it. Very good. That's, that's I got US Open. My eyes to evangelize Roman Catholics. Good. Yeah. That is really a good book. Yeah. He I went to the book together in basically a condition that Roman Catholic to be vandalized his conviction was. I mean recalling how he would deal with offer shoes, basically. Only have worry about. We're told not to worry about audio for we're toll to worry about that the essentials, and the Roman Catholic church denies the at least one essential justification by faith in Christ alone and promotes idolatry. Those are the two major things and it promotes a form of idolatry in the Eucharist in its its false teachings. So it has got some serious problems. I. And seriously? If like I said, if he's not concerned about it. Anyone who is not concerned with where lost person is going to spend eternity. You have to wonder if they're saved themselves because. As a believer, you're going to be concerned about that. So if it has been going on for a long time. You, you may wanna start evangelizing him. All right. I appreciate the feedback on, I will definitely on talking about go from there. All right. Well, thanks for coming in. If you so cat, you had some questions and I should announce that allies is in here. So welcoming guy he's way that works very well for those who can't see you. It works. Great for radio. Yeah. Feel the presence of my way. Cat had had a question. Let's. Like an opening was just going to ask you, and you can decide to address it or not, or whatever. But a lot of things I'm seeing come up right now against anti even just anti-christian is in the bible right now. It's going to argue about how God condones rape. And I'm just gonna ask if you guys wanted to speak to that. And you know what exactly does it say booklet specially in the Old Testament for anybody who is listening? And of course, all always glean a bunch from you guys. But. Where does it say that, God condones rape? I don't know I've ever heard them giving a saying because it's allowed and it happens in God doesn't like comedown and smile, everybody who's done it. And what about those who lie about God like the Theus in the complainers raise issues like this should God done Smyth them as well? Oh, yeah. You know, when people raise questions like that had this race to me, you know, they'll say what has got condoned. Rape. I said, gimme the verse show me the verse where he condones it. And there's no verse that condones rape. But what they generally are saying, well, then why does the girl have to marry the rapist? That's condoning rife. That's not condoning rate. To the what that's that we brought up to people are an in. It's not just one person. That's why it's going to ask and see if I can get your opinion because then that means that the victim has to be stuck with him. And it's horrible. You know, I can't imagine, I'm going to be like that. But, but there's, there's a cultural thing that they people are absolutely unfamiliar with, and what they are do doing committing. What's called ethnocentricity? They're judging another culture by their own culture by their own standards. That's with no centrist. He has. And not to say that, that rape is good. And my saying that, you know, here in our culture, we all right? But should be punished, and he should be jailed. And I think if you other things to be done, but nevertheless, what about that culture? What do you do with in that culture, which is basically a granny, and you don't have internet? You don't have police patrol. You don't have prisons, what do you do for punishment? We get a lock them up because if you lock them up into a room, which they didn't have they didn't do that kind of thing, that's more of a western civilization, kind of an invention, more or less. But, you know, they didn't do that in the Jewish culture. They did the Roman culture. So what do you do what do you do? Well, you make bible says that pay for if they steal. They pay four times what they stole and restitution that has to happens because when a crime is committed restitution is the issue, not just simply isolation and so restitution here in the in the sense of a woman being right. Is it doesn't own? I suspect also that the, the not inscription about suspect that the relatives of the woman would go have a discussion with the guy behind the tool. Shed if you get my drift and stuff, but anyway, so aluminum who was d- flowered, whether by choice or by. Force was then considered right. Or wrong damaged goods in that culture men wanted to marry virgins. It was extremely important. Now, a widow that was socially acceptable to a widowed children, whatever, but a young maiden you had to marry a virgin because it was a symbol of purity before God before the culture, society, your acceptability Mary, virgin, she had to be pure. She was not a harlot. She was not a bad woman, because the, the, the woman was extremely now the word valuable is, is a is a wrong way because it looks like so as she's an object, but there was a sense in which women were valued in a very great way. And as the soil into which the seed was planted, because a seed is what gives life, they were just the, the soil, not in genetics. And so who she was what she? Was was was very very, very important. All right. So if she's rape, she's deflowered cheese damaged goods, but in a society. Sorry Ray did you cry enough? Did you do this enough? Well, okay, there you go. So what they did was it said she probably will not be able to be married, not because, you know, one would marry her or as capability, but clued merrier look what happened to her. She is, you know, even rape get near her right or wrong. That was that's what I remember hearing that is largely the, the, the cultural situation. So the rest of to Shen. Saturday, ben. All right. So the restitution was to marry her and become responsible for her in this situation, and he could not divorce her. It could not send her away, and it was one of the restrictions that was removed or the rights are removed from him. And so he was stuck as an obligation to take care of her and society would know about this with him. And he was responsible for her. And they were more sympathetic to her in the situation than to him now. Right or wrong. That was, what would happen, and that's why it was talking about marrying the rapist because who else would? And then she might become destitute, who's going to take care of her, because she had a man in a family to take us how it wasn't agrarian society where you don't have running water when you flip a tap, you know, called nine one one and things are fun, so to speak. So there's no place where it says that well. That are lemme ask you question with the culture did people choose who they married, did they marry for love? Rarely they did you know, but it mainly was for by pre-arranged marriages with a family families get together and my daughter with your son or vice versa. And dowries were given contracts were were made. And if one of the parties broke the con- contractual agreement there can be penalties. I on sometimes penalties could. Could be severe in some areas of financial severity public shame it was basically scandal to, to kind of break that covenant bound of commitment that the family had made their exceptions, of course. But it was really very serious thing. And he didn't marry mostly for love, which is an reason I bring that up is because the main part of the argument is a misunderstanding of the culture they want to as you mentioned. They want to apply culture, where we get to choose marriage that wasn't the culture parents chose the marriage. You didn't have a choice. You didn't get to choose who you married. Your parents arranged it. You might not get along. You had to learn to love one another you. So, so when we look at what Paul says that wiser Smith, their husbands, and their husbands to love their wives like, Chrysler's the church. This isn't a culture where they don't get to set up their own marriage. It's just this is expected. That you're going to work this out, you and, you know, your marriage with you was obviously range, because she wouldn't have picked you. That I would I would I would agree with have said that it actually was. Yeah. But, you know, the, the only place where you see it mentioned that rape is in what's called the evil bible. Which is basically where they completely misrepresent the scriptures. Yeah. So, you know, it's not, you know, they're, they're breaking one of the one of the essential rules of, of harmony, which is the how you interpret, the bible, we look at the context. This is dealing with the cultural context. Okay. And so what we, we end up having is the fact. Oh, he's so bold this little child. And you're gone again. All right. I wonder if one of his diapers are filled. Yeah. No, so, so the reality is, whoever the troll is that's doing it. Here's, here's a simple thing that you're displaying for everybody view have no argument. And, you know, it you're such a coward that you can't even come in here and attempt to, to debate the topics because, you know, you're, you're now there's someone in the in a chat, that's keeps telling us that debate J dire. Well, Mark, this is an open hang out. You can have J join us, we could discuss it. Whatever you want to have the debate on come on, in, if you wanna have a formal debate have J contact may go to striving for train dot ORG, contact me and we'll set up a formal debate I should let folks know if you want to join the hang out, just go to apologize live dot ORG, and that there's where the link is to join there was someone who I was waiting for him to come in met. He didn't. Come in. I'm trying to look up his name now again. So quite is very happy, man. And he, he just said, I'm gay can I come in here? I said, sure, we like happy people. So why laughing at that? So, so folks, if you wanna come on in just come in, you can go to apologize, live dot com and and join in so ally, you're, you're mentioning a book with an I think is referenced the cats question, Basie some ways to navigate conversations of book. I highly recommend. Why don't you talk about it? If. The, the, the troll muted you there. You can you hear me now. Yes. Now weirdo. Yeah. Cat cat wrote in the texture. I can't phrase response as well as you guys and that just made me. Thank yes, you, can if you practice how to navigate conversations, you're able to ask key questions and be able to place yourself in the position to identify weaknesses and the book tactics is great because it helps you stay in control of conversation without being in a situation of risk. It's a very book teaches you how to stay safe in conversation while at the same time, also key questions to bring about the bring the forefront possible weaknesses in another person's position. So that's, that's a really great while I really great tactic tactics. Teaches y'all hoes of so you how did you come to that conclusion? Well, well, I heard has doing there about the book and when I when I what I loved about it was it you so many practical. Here's the thing when you talk about apologetic, evangelism, and all this other kind of stuff when we talk about the theory of it all it can be very complicated. But people who are who are listening to stuff like this, or podcasts or debates they really wanna know like, what will how do I do this with my neighbor? What is look like in real life? And I think a book like tactics helps kind of give us a picture of what that might look like and gives us tools as to not, what to say, necessarily, but it provides us away of how we should think, and there's reasons why we asked certain questions that we ask conversations, I think very helpful in that regard. How do you know that to be true? I'm sorry. You li-. How do you know that to be true? How do I know what to be true? Would you said you see what I did there? So what I'm actually doing is going through some of the tactics that they give you the book is written by Greg cocoa. And an excellent book in, it will ask you, it will teach you how to ask some basic questions helps you navigate conversations and I just gave away two of the ones that he calls his Colombo tactic, which is asking questions to get information to basically see where someone's at. So how do you know that three true is a way of trying to they, they make a statement? Rape is the, the bible condones ripe. How do you know that to be true? Is he get them having to answer? Here's a reason why kept because most of the people most of the fessing, atheist don't even know that they have no answers there. So blind give you as instance what happened in New York. We had a guy named James he, he was shouting. There is no God, because there's evil in the world. There is no God, because there's evil in the world. And I just turned him that's a claim. Anytime someone gives you a claim you ask a question. I said, how can there be evil without God? He never thought about that all of a sudden he had to think questions change the way you have to think to give an answer if I just have to look for where there's holes in your argument and try to poke holes in it. That's easy 'cause I don't need to listen to what you're saying. I just need to listen for where I can poke a hole. But if you asked me a question, I have to think through that and give an answer. It's different thinking process, it's called a Socratic model from Socrates. And because of that you're forcing actually think through things James didn't have an answer. He's like, well, you tell me what is I'm like, I didn't say it exists and he kept he, he wouldn't answer. He just go you told me what evil is. I said, okay. Evil is the absence of good and good is defined by the nature of God. How can you ever without God? And he threw his hands up and walked away because there is no way to explain evil if God doesn't exist. Right, right. So when they say that when they argue about rape, you don't even have to get into trying to explain the culture of, of the times, and all that you can ask question. Why is rape wrong? God doesn't exist by what standard because. Good. Because it's it promotes of Lucien progress. I mean, if we're just chemical reactions, then in that world view. Rape is nothing. It's just two chemicals reacting. Sometimes they react one way, some another. But it's just a chemical reaction therefore it doesn't have any moral good or bad, when they're going to argue that it does. Well, they have to be arguing that rape is a universal absolute standard. Because they're saying that it applies to everybody there, saying that it applies outside of what we think. But what makes the act of rape wrong? You have to be careful though. Because when someone says, you know, you know, rape is evil, they might not necessarily be saying it from the perspective of their worldview their atheist. They might sail. Yeah. Rape is unfortunate, but there's no standard in my world view. But the problem is in your world worldview, what appears to look like rate, it looks like your God condones, as we wanna make sure we make those careful distinctions clarify show that that's not actually the case because what I've noticed too, when people use those Old Testament, passages what they do is, they don't say, look, God condones rape. And then there's, there's acts the text is actually saying that they are interpreting attacks in particular way, in for jarred of sense. And they're saying, look your bible promotes what I am interpreting as rape and look there. That's why you know, there's something a problem there. And you need to point out that that's not. Their interpretation is incorrect. So what they're doing at that point. Is there? Tempting to do an internal critique and you hear this a lot, they'll, they'll pretend to step into your worldview, but notice what they what they do. And you showed this very well Eli, they try to step into our world view, but not completely. See the only want to step into the world view to say that your bible condones rape, but then they leave the worldview to explain that this is wrong. And that this is actually rape. Right. So they, they leave the culture, they don't they don't fully embrace the internal critique. Right. They jump in but only part way, you know, so what they're doing when they do this, and they're trying to do an internal, critique if you're gonna make an internal critique you step fully into the world view. You don't do partial into the worldview, and that's what they often do they, they go in partially just to say it's wrong, they'll say, yes. Well, this is what your bible says, and it's wrong but the bible doesn't say troll. Because the different culture. I think also important to, and this is what you just said is huge. I tried to point this out. I just recently had an interaction with the, an atheist on YouTube, where he offered. Critique of my world. I kept. I kept reminding him that as long as you throw rocks from your foundation. You're not getting anywhere. You cannot do it internal critique. And then sneak in things that my world do doesn't grant. So say for example, how do you know God is not deceiving you? Well, that presupposes that within my world, do there's a there is a, a possible world in which I may be I may be deceived by the God of the bible. And that's not that proposition. I may be deceived by the God of the bible doesn't fit within my worldview. See what he's doing is jumping from his worldview, where he thinks there is a possibility within my world that I might be wrong. You see what I'm saying? So I didn't let him even say that. Because within my world, you I can't. Be wrong since God is, you know, in my world from within my framework. There is no such thing as a possibility of my God. Not existing that possibility that you snuck in there is actually an element within your worldview in which my God is not an essential feature of of the world. And so people try to sneak in these kinds of things and Christians will will fall into the trap, because they'll say, well, yeah, I guess I could be wrong. Well, not, if Christianity true, you can't be so these people sneak in these these these elements that we need to point out that is not a genuine internal critique. What you've done is you snuck into my world view. And you smuggled in when you sneak into the movies and you're you smuggle in some candy that you're not supposed to bring in people are smuggling in atheist to candy in your Christian worldview, when they try to do any time you've done this often he li- toast area. Oh, yeah. I've had the smiling when he said that Matt, do you notice he it seemed like this is a regular thing. He he's done poker. And then there's a different world candy were view. But you see what makes sense it makes sense, hopefully, is, is that I pointed out, and this is important that possibility and impossibility is something that exists under God not over. God. In other words, God himself is the standard of possibility and impossibility. My worldview is not one in which possibility and impossibility. This idea of contingency, stands over my God. So if you are going to say, is it possible? You could be wrong that question assumes that contingency possibility and probability stands over, my God, such that my God is not necessary. I would say probability is under my God, because he's the one who establishes the very standard of what's possible impossible. So why do you lie? So, so what is the point here being is what you end up seeing appeal make arguments cat, you wanna not just quickly jump into the answer the argument. Okay. You wanna take a step back and evaluate the premise of the argument more often than not they've failed premise, one of the things you could do is show that when they when they have to win an argument hats to rely on logical fallacies and has to rely on things that are logically, invalid, then, you know, it's wrong because it's if it's from God, it's going to be logically, valid okay because God is a logical being and so that becomes the thing to look for right? And by the way, I should like, you know, you life. You don't know the book tactics is coming out with a second edition soon. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Study guide that comes with it as well. I encourage people to do small like book studies on that book alone. It's a it's excellent. Because I think verges the gap like when you have apologetic content in your, your mind. Then the other challenge is actually spitting it out in a way that actually makes sense. So I think that book is a good. You know, a good gap filler kind of creates that bridge and connects what's in your mind onto, like you realize conversation. So. Know I've not read. An audio book. I, I downloaded the audio book audio I didn't know that. Oh, I didn't know that. Any other questions kep? No, he I mean I could always ask about different things. But now no, I can wait. Thank thank you guys so much. But you can wait. We're waiting for you to ask questions so users here and you know, I'm just rambling person. Well what about this? The like the other Andrew never asks questions. I just had it on. But, like, come on. He has. He has plenty of questions we could give you to hit what mine was a long winded discussion. You know that's because he like. Or on this one. It was all Eli fault, it, would it would have been mad fault. But ally answered long winded Cam. Himself as trouble troublemaker anyway. Sneaking in that can. You see this. You come in. I it's because import Rican, I see how it is just instantly had to go there, go to the race card because when I get on the automatic sympathies. I'm jewish. So you must plant medic and mental. Matches his like thinks he's slick, but he's not he's not slick. We notice. Holiday combined. Wait, wait. Did you guys hear what he just said? He wouldn't. He what did matches say? I couldn't catch it. We were all going at the same time. They're Matt says you slip all of you combined do do any of you here believe that is slicker than all of us combined. In fact, we. Inca car salesman. So, okay. Okay. If it's greasy, course Courcelle, I agree Mattis liquor than all of us. But if it's being slicking outsmarting, I'm just saying Matt, have you ever paid for dinner people outta dinners mine? For dinner. All right. It's gonna happen. Well, let's. Hey, no. Actually, I won't be at Mantar, but let let's let's see what happened on one of the after shows with the council. Let's play a clip was injured. The one that helps you get the podcast back. We can you hear that? Yeah. He did help did it. Don't don't. You think yo dinner for that. Does that come through it all are now for me? I was playing the clip where, where they asked you, if I helped with the podcast and you said, yes, and they said that doing think yo me dinner. Figure this working. Sorry. Oh that'll that's funny. That's classic. The reality is mad has not has not been successful. So I'm not coming to Mantar. Unfortunately, the last year, Mantar Matt, why don't you explain to folks, what Mantar is? And why it's the last year of Mantey. Manteaux is if you were to it's in the central part of, of Utah, and once a year, they had was called the anti Mormon miracle pageant in June. So I'll be going in about a week and a half two weeks spending, but three days there for days, and it's hot and it's where the more there's got the geographies important. But what's really interesting? Is this places in? Middle of nowhere kind of thing and the town's next door like you know, couple of three thousand people five four thousand people kind of thing. And so there's a temple sacred place in Mormonism, and it's up on a nice hill. And so what they do is they use that location with this hillside to enact a play and the hill comes down, and there's this flat area, and you get twenty thirty thousand people in this area. And so they do this film film knack, reenactment of the early days of, of Mormonism full of misrepresentations half truths, of course. But it's it's done and it starts at. At nine o'clock. I believe, remember correctly and eight o'clock, right? Was it? Eight. Was it? Eight start getting dark. Yeah. And so what happens is Mormons are going there for for hours privates. Previously, you know, they wanna get good seats. They made a big deal because you can't get in and out in five minutes, there's, there's thirty thousand people there twenty thirty thousand people. So they trickle in over two three hours and the, the, the Christians are there like the poor seals are going through the shark infested waters, kind of thing to get to the, the place where they, they hold their pageant. And so what they've done. The Mormon church is bought a certain stretch a street and blocked it off that we can't go on it. And they've tried to reduce the effectiveness of the Christians who attend. And he's Christians are from all over the world. So that people from Brazil, and think, Scotland there Canada, of course, affect from here you. You know, Nathan Lindsey they're going, and then Cameron's going to be going, and you sticking five six or seven people from his church running van they're going to drive down. So from hair my house. It's about a seven hour drive to get there, but we're gonna get there and. Benefit as their we'll do a camera and try to interview people, and they'll be this last one and the Mormon church officially has stated that trying to go into different directions and stuff. But I've heard I won't say it on air, but I've heard some other reasons. Well, part of part of the fact is that in that particular area, by the way, that temple is the first Mormon temple, most feel, we think it's the one Salt Lake City Salt Lake City was was the second temple built first one started is is my understanding that or it's reversed. But the this temple in Mantar is that area around Mantar is the least from what I understand the least Mormon area in Utah. And a lot of people think it's because all the Vangelis and that goes on because of this, this pageant, they have because you get a thousand Christian, you get hundreds of Christians of Angelides into thousands of moments. Yeah. It's, it's really something. I mean, the Christians have a prayer meeting, they, they pray their Vangelis causing that there's approaches that I don't agree with, but that's okay, say anything would I'd like to do is go there, and I like to pick off the hecklers. So we'll have like Ehrich evolve LA he'll get up and do open air. And so I'll go and to stand thirty feet away from him. And that's it. He's usually sees me there. There's not, you know, then things to get it before the years. He knows. I'm there if anybody's gonna start hassling him, depending on the situation, if it's a good heckling interchange continue because he can use that. But if they're just being difficult and obstreperous than I'll go in and intercept them so that he could be free to continue preaching and teaching me doing that. Matt steals, my heckler. And when when you do it. I go, I go, you know. Yeah. Last year met didn't realize 'em sitting there. I get this guy. I'm not trying to bring them in as a heckler build a crowd, and mattress, looks and goes, I guess, question and just pull them off too. I was like, what are you doing? What was your technique? It's all good. That was like Andrews, not answering the question. I have the answer. I, I will purposely not answer, some people's question when I do open air because it gets their voice louder. And that's what I wanna get. So I like ignore certain questions. I'm ignoring the question was like, well, I can answer that for you. It's like dude I was working on it for like ten minutes. Yeah. Let me figured out. Work. We okay good. You know, and that's okay. It's people wanna help. There's a saying that Bill mckeever introduced me to Bill mckeever, the founder and director of Mormonism research ministry. But our Bill says eight you clean your own fish. If you're talking to somebody don't go jumping in their conversation. It's rude. A lot of excitement there. There's a lot of energy going there. There's a lot of confusion and things like that, that, just what it is. You know, nothing's perfect and people make mistakes. I certainly have others. Have, you know so, but it's a good witnessing environment. It really is. You know, one of the things I like about Mantar is you. And I both worked on a book called Sharon good news with Mormons, which is now out for one year, and it's twenty four different people. You and I are two of the twenty four authors with twenty four different tactics. Different ways of sharing the gospel with with Mormons. I should say churches, grace, Lardy saints. I should say because we're not suppose they don't wanna be Mormon anyway, got new revelation. They're again, they're going to change name their choir. But we end up seeing is. When you go to Mantar you get to see really what we see in that book, sharing the news, Mormons, because there's all these different people doing different things last year, I saw, and that was the first time I've ever seen this. There was people that actually I saw a couple of things that we're first time, there was a girl who was watching different people do different ways of sharing the gospel. She just put a little sign out that said you get candy if you can sit against the wall for three minutes, and she's or pole and you had to stand on a right angle, and she would have all these teenagers just trying to sit there in and stay for three minutes. Get a piece of candy and she had them for three minutes to sharing the gospel with them talking about how you know. You know they're trying to hold themselves up by their own standard and it doesn't work. It's better to Technica show you using one day because there was this grass area, and you had a guy in a headlock, and you're this little New Testament, you're trying to shove it down his thrive ever. Something that, okay? First off, I, I wouldn't do a headlock. It would be a chokehold second off mental. Yeah. That was the fundamentals. We, we actually get people who come out there that are they too will claim their Mormon of Angelides in the Mormons. We get the fundamentalists. So what are the differences with some of the fundamentalists and what we only think of with Mormons. Well, there's even more than groups. There's over a hundred different groups that used to book of Mormon and offshoots of Mormonism. So you'll find that are group's. And then you got to figure out what it is that particular group holds too and, and it doesn't make it onto figure things out there some odd groups around there as well. It really is a great with environment. For those of you who might be interested in attending, you know, you can meet you in Salt Lake you know, we could arrange things on the way down there to Mantar, but it is a great environment just picture Christians from all over that you've never seen before, and you're talking to them, or just listening to them, and they're doing things in a way that you might not consider as being appropriate for yourself or which had a thought of it that way. It just there's the gambit is there and it is a commodity. Right away with Christians. And, you know, I it's really neat. It really is. So if you wanna go. There was someone we're mentioning ally. Mentioned the book tactics, and Greg cocoa runs a ministry called stand to reason they had someone out last year, and who came out and did son. I was the first time I had seen this that what, what she did was just 'cause like I was saying, there's so many different people with different different ideas. So the person's Amy hall from Stanford, and what she did was just put a board just a whiteboard like. The big kind of like a cork board type thing with post its, and it was just give the reasons why you hold to which won't said, atheist, one said, Mormon. And just be were writing reasons. And as they would write the reason they stopped to, to write down why they're Mormon or why they're atheist and as they're writing it. She has time to see what they're writing and interact with it. She just gets them to stop and really, it was a form of voting of which one is more whether eighth Theus, or, or Mormon, and she really didn't care, which one whichever side, there, she was going to witness to either one of them, and it was just funny to watch how how she did that. And she came up with the wall, shoot down there. She's watching everybody and said, I wanna do something different. And that's the thing I like the most about being down. There is seeing the different ways people will will as you met hold a sign and you just walk around with a sign and start conversations. The sign is, is Mormonism Christian, and it's a big sign and is Christian dot com. Excuse me dot com. And it just takes you to the website is at the best way. I don't. I don't know. Is it not the best way? I don't know. Is it a different way? Yeah. It's different way. But, you know, several people will hold up these signs. And, and these things are readable from a thousand feet away. And so you, can, you know, that, that people are going to be going home later and just looking that up because I don't wanna talk anybody. So it's just it's just a not I'm not saying it's a better way. It's just another way that people witness out there. And, and so I was mentioning the fundamental Mormons and Charlie put a link here. The, the fundamentalist far those that still believe in polygamy. They believed that the Mormon church went awry by changing from polygamy, and I have met some of the folks there that with their multiple wives. Also, you do see that out there was a multiple life. Once. I'm waiting for this Eli, I'm, I'm waiting. Face face. What? Smith married. Like twenty six women. And so one did this several years, they would ask for women to dress in period attire, and where a sign saying, which wife of Joseph, they were. And they worked at talk to anybody. They just sat there and more come up and see, like twenty six women of varying ages. They try to kind of coordinate represented, you know, and this woman was this old that this young tried to do that it was very effective and the Mormons were very offended by it. Well offended because several of his Joseph Smith's wives were young teenagers. You got that, right. There was some of his wives were already married. Some of his wives were sisters there are there is one who is married to someone. He married the sister, and then married the married sister. So, yeah, there were he you know, he had very young wives. He had other people's wives. Now, one of the things that really's been hurting the Mormon church, I think, is something called the internet. Yeah. Darn the internet Bill and I talked Bill mckeever night talked about this. He noticed that about ninety six ninety six ninety seven year two after unit really became the internet that they started having problems with the Mormon in the Mormon church. In fact, there's a new phenomena out which I need to do. More research is called the new Mormonism and not show official category. But it's been hearings have been called in a new Mormonism is arising out of the problem that the internet and facts have caused so the book of Mormon has been changed. The doctrine code as has been altered, the archaeological evidence for Mormonism is just not there the documents legal documents against various prophets. You know, are there various things that are really problematic for Mormonism the, the mountain meadows massacre issue? Which I went two hundred fiftieth anniversary where it was where the Mormons killed over one hundred and twenty went men, women children murdered them that's another story, but nevertheless. Don't forget, much thought. Okay. So we're talking about the internet because we're talking to multiple wives and how that's really hurt. Yeah. So the new Mormonism and so what they're doing now is saying that the book of Mormon, these various things, they're not meant really necessarily to be all that archaeologically starkly accurate. But they are used by God to get you to feel his presence and are used as a door to truth, the spiritual round. So we have to worry about all the facts and contradictory information anymore. You just have to worry about that burning in your bosom burning in the most I called. You have the same situation. I, I don't wanna bring the conversation to the issue of methodology, but you have some Mormons actually using a this is. I think I direct response to the lack of evidence or contradictory evidence is there. They are using a sort of presupposition approach in which, you know, you can't just point to the evidence because they have their interpretive grid and someone speaking with Mormons, you'd kinda have to use a presupposition approach them 'cause appointing specifics just going to interpret it might of their, their ultimate commitment. So you want to be sensitive to that. Otherwise, you kind of run the same risk of talking with some atheist for you, just, you know, you're just piling evidence verse your evidence versus evidence, and it's just a never ending saga of comparing, who has the most will the internet really has. I mean, we is really done a lot damage to Mormon church, you, you have they used to deny Joseph Smith's, otherwise. As many of them, especially the younger ones, and other people's the ones that were married the internet revealed. That's now that's out there. There's things like the, there's a book of Abraham where Joseph Smith, Sposa got these plates that are these hieroglyphics, and he interpreted it, and then we found a Rosetta Stone we realized he didn't translator should say. And we now know he didn't translate correctly. But one thing that is interesting. And I don't know if you if you know this map at Mormonism actually helped to form the internet, the way it is today, you, you wear that story with Santana, okay. Now I gotta hear this. Oh, you. Okay. So Sandra Tanner when she talks, she has talked in her testimony on that on the when we went on that apologize, crews, she was actually, the Mormon church was so upset with her. And her husband Gerald, that they were doing all this research on Mormonism, and they had to Moore. This is a day before the internet, you had to go into libraries, and they'd go and get these documents and make copies of them, and then they would have to basically run off copies of copies to produce their stuff. And when the internet came out, they had put a link to someone who had released put basically, the manual of, of what goes on in the temple ceremonies, and they had a manual and this person, put it up there, but that was copyrighted material. They were so upset with the tenors the tenors had a link being a bigger a bigger website, people went to ten or site. And from there found this link to the manual will the Mormon church sued Gerald, Sandra Tanner for having the link. And so the question came down is were, they were sponsoring for the in. Information that they linked to or not. And this really would've changed the, the internet, if they went the other way they sided with the tanners and said the tenors are now responsible because they didn't put it up. And therefore they were able to keep the link-up and the person responsible is the one that put it up on the internet. But had they had the Mormon church one. You think about it. Math think about all the links you have on Karm dot org, you would be responsible for everything that you link out there. You put anything you put a link up there. Someone could change that underneath it, and you could be responsible for what they did. You think on a website like Karm. There's no way you'd be able to track all of those links, so it, it would have radically changed the way the internet ended up happening because we wouldn't people would be less likely to put links to other sites up, and that was all because the Mormon church suit tanners, because it's something that someone else put up. Well, yeah, but they, they wanted to get the tanners the Mormon church wanted to put a stop to the tanners because the, the town is doing such damage to the Mormon church, just by the truth. You know they did a great job. They did a great job. Yeah, I know you're books are packed. I'm looking to find where mine is. But there's a book about yo thick probably about, I think two maybe three inches metal. No, which book, I'm referring to me, it's one or two inches. It's, it's a book that has the almost four thousand changes in Mormonism four thousand. Eight hundred four four thousand three hundred nineteen changes. The book of Mormon why is that significant? The book of Mormons plus the most. It history, the church fund the Mormonism in the history of the church. That's their seven volume set history, volume four four sixty one the book of Mormon is the most creek book of any book on earth at a man could get closer to the precepts of God by following it by any other book on the book has been changed. What Santer told me she? And her husband Gerald did was they had an original book of Mormon off the Pratt hot off the press. You know, the regional one not a copy of the regional the original. And so I actually have held an original also an original ritual, the first printing of actually held one of my hand. But anyway, so what they did was they, I think, either she read or he's read the regional, whatever and one would read the original word for word and they had gone to mimeographed the entire current book of Mormon for the year that did the sun. And the seventies, I think it was ladies and then they circled all. The changes and three thousand hundred thirteen changes. That's what it is the book of Mormon and I will use that pretty effectively to be able to refute Mormonism. But yeah, it's worth getting. You can get it off their, their website. Utah. Lighthouse ministry. We're gonna I'm gonna put it up right here. So folks can see this on camera for those three hundred three thousand nine hundred thirteen changes in the book, Mormon and this will give you an idea for those watching on the video. If you can see this is it. Is that right? Goes this way, right? Yeah. So you can see what they actually had to do as mimeograph. And they write notes in there of all the changes this isn't a book. That was the importance of reason, his so amazing because the, the book of Mormon was after the printing press wise, that's important, there should not have been once they had one copy that Joseph Smith. Translated. There would never have been a need to do any other changes if it is the most accurate book that ever was. And so when you have a copy when you're making a handwritten copy from another manuscript you can copy it and make a mistake. But when you do this, with a book of Mormon that is after the printing press, and you're keeping an accurate, you only have to get one and once you have that mimeograph, you can run off, as many as you need, and they're always going to be the same. So the fact that there were changes shows that it's ROY. Wrong, when it says it is the most accurate book that there is because it clearly wasn't accurate. They needed to make changes. But there's been changes since they did that. Yes. Let's see this was the trustee. If it says, which what the twos were. So this was the reprint of the eighteen thirty addition of the book of Mormon so Transi with the other year was, I guess. That's right. They McGrath xeroxed off, whatever you wanna call it the original. And then. Yeah. Wrote an on that. That's right. And it is so valuable what I'll do is carry my New Testament Greek New Testament with the actually this is sort of California Ludo, fared. Idaho doesn't happen. Switch it in my trunk of my car. But down there, I did all the time, and I would I had a book of Mormon that, you know, Ilford up like you know normally this way, I moved to sideways and I put tabs across the pages one, God, married Myrna virgin, the trinity justification or salvation by grace, you know, various things, and it would have that, and it would also have the Greek New Testament and defeat thousand nine hundred thirteen changes the book of Mormon and between those three, I was told that destroyed a lot of Mormon testimonies, and, you know, with the facts, I'm, I'm actually excited, maybe I shouldn't mention this on air because someone will get the. Word back those those trolls will probably get word back. But I actually have Mormon missionaries coming to visit of so excited met, we I have been on the you're not allowed to go. Visit list for a very long time. I remember when I came out to Idaho, and they had the temple opening up by you. One of the guys I forget, who it was soon as I got there, I think it was Cameron that said within me being there. Five minutes they were taking a photo of me. And when, when I went to tour it just Arturo told where a silent tour, no questions are allowed to be asked. So they, they had me pegged right from the beginning. But they, I I'm like type actually whenever I move, I write them, the Mormon church and I request the book of Mormon that used to send a missionary and my last house, they'd inside the missionary. They just sent a bible when I moved to the house from in now nothing when I've gone out to Utah. Every time I go to Utah requests. Mormon missionaries to visit. And I get nothing. So I'm really excited. They're going to they're going to send three Mormon missionaries to come. Visit me. I can't wait. Gods? I think it's, it's a good opportunity. I I don't get visited. I don't know why they don't have it made it chose witnesses, don't come. Visit me. Yeah. I know why the Jehovah witnesses don't visit me. But I can I can tell you what you should do if you want them to visit, you met you have that picture of yourself on your front door, take that down. It's scares the neighbors. That is true. That's why your house has so many people only at Halloween thinking, true, an e life facemask, stand out there and see how that were then you're gonna have people. You're gonna have people all the ladies are gonna be pounding on your door. Yeah. Something's going to happen. You know, maybe my wife, I pay more attention to me, who knows actually know your wife isn't even going to enter the house. She's just going to be standing outside staring at the front door. Oh boy. Now. She's gonna go. I can look at this out side are going and look at that I'll stay out here. I'll stay cold. So, but yeah, I mean there's a reason that the they don't like visiting people that actually know things and it's interesting, there's someone in the chat who's mentioning how the Jove witnesses are trying to make a comeback. Have you noticed the new tactics that Jove witnesses have been doing that? Because they, they don't out city. No, they don't go. They don't go to homes anymore so much they set up, as you know, you, you'll remember this when we went to Dallas they set up in, in the airports, places like that, and they do not talk to anybody who wants to engage with them. That actually knows anything. They're just like, oh, no. We're just here to give him information. They totally they're now being trained not to answer us at all. They just cut us off all together. You know, the question I have the jobs witnesses. Why do your buildings have no windows? Why do you not want the light to get writer? I always say that with, with abortion clinics Andrew Andrew, who says he's got a question for us. Actually, he said, let me in LL. All right. That was in relation to the face mask on the dole. Oh, you want to. Andrew ask two and a half smart people here. I actually do have a question, not a question as such but I just like myself camera two. It's gonna say the maturity on the other ones that are trying to change. The book say the Scientology has apparently tried to redoing of they've oaks. Twelve interesting on the basis on a big fan of the Bank, Mr Bigan Billy Shany's, actually not, which is. Subscribe isis. But yeah, it's kind of interesting to, to that all this religion, the subway having to change the books and also gonna say, I was visited about. Oh, about a month ago by to join it'll be witnesses. Missionaries and they came to my out of my said he have this income to always will come back into month that was about two months ago. Is that AUSSIE month so that different done the United States, months? As in this thing. But like I came out like a month ago that was Andrew Andrew, that was Matt's. Really, really, really bad attempt of a joke. It just just move on with it. Just just he tries a forever. Okay. He tried. I recognize it's pretty good. I missed the title. Yeah. Yeah. Well. It's AUSSIE humor or American humor never mind. See, he's just too two. And Andrew remember that Matt said there were only two and a half smart people. Well he, he thought you were half and Eli, and I were the smart ones, and he doesn't even care. And you will. Well, clearly you just prove that raw. Some lady, isn't it? All of. Because you're keeping. Why? She's keeping an eye out for all the troll. She's booting. I was gonna add that's the two and a half. Is that is that his age or intellect? I. At eight intellect and you guys are all dumbing it down for me. So I just have great gercy in, you know, Biblically just submitting to you guys. Husband. Well, yeah, yeah, but you guys on our social up. Okay. Honest level. Yeah. Osha level. Mm into losers. We got someone that came in. We got about maybe ten minutes left. I'm gonna add in. K D. Yeah, we're gonna see less than more than a couple of seconds, so kitty. You can K D, not Katie K D. You can on meet yourself. Let me see if I go, I'm you too. You can ask your question. Oh, I didn't have a specific question. I didn't realize that I was asking specific question that's on here last week. I just came into what you guys this week. I just I like man all the people here. So I just came here to watch Al. We. You must have a bad bed sense of judgment. If you like met Andy other people here, he said, notice that. That's pretty funny. Things last week, if you wanna make fun of him and through, I can help you do that. This was God for instance now historical. He was back then. But he wasn't. Me there's something else. I said that I knew I told them, I told them I was in jail for preaching the gospel one night. And so I was singing hymns in Hebrew, so I wouldn't be in a bad mood. I was trying to, you know, not be depressed. And he said, why are you singing in Hebrew? And I said, you know, is there some wrong with Hebrew? What's your problem, you know? So what did I say interesting, and then the whole week, every time somebody asked me about it, they said, yeah, Matt wasn't willing to put up the video to it. So nobody got to see it. It's up. I did put it not take it up or not put whatever it's, it's there didn't do anything to it, but I was in Hebrew sing in English. So they could understand you vandalism. I knew I could say that the video is up because I, I needed the video to get the audio for the podcast that that'll drop guess, tomorrow, I think tomorrow drops, but yeah, the, the video is up there now. No sense. Matt the. Pala just doesn't know about other faiths. He doesn't know that messianic will sing in Hebrew, and then the next course will be an English, although he didn't know that. And so, you know. And understand that I love you. I wouldn't come here and poke fun at you. If I didn't love you, but no, I don't have a specific question. So if you have better things to get to certainly. We, we could point out once again, that met has some troubles understand some things. He just said, he stands corrected, but everybody can see that he is sitting. I am. So. You know so show is that you as the president there on your on your profile. Yeah. That was shot at the Ronald Reagan library, so you can see Jimmy Carter say with me. I'm fine to teach them the gospel, you know, 'cause he's out there in the left. Because he doesn't know the gospel. You may know a lot about peanuts, but not the gospel, and the reason I did that was I, I was wearing a t shirt with the with the casino on it. And I thought, if I if I go live and my, my camera goes live someone's going to make fun of me for the casino t shirt, so, and I don't actually go to casinos, I was just wearing an old t-shirt. All right. Well, I haven't I actually having chance to listen to last week. But I'm sure that I probably should do some editing. I was told because like the first the episode that just dropped I didn't have I didn't have a chance in the Philippines to do all the editing. I just tried to put it up and I was late. And so I just was in a rush and you know, Matt was pretty good twenty thirty minutes on. So what do I do here? I'm a I'm a tech. I'm a IT tech, but I kick it this to work. Hey, anyone can you get this link to work? It was it was radio weird. Well, it's beat up on that night. All right. I'm here. I missed like four weeks of beat up on that. This is this is my therapy. We discovered I tell you before we started the show, very unusual happened in that. I would if I did the show under one account, we had all kinds of problems for the show under different log in account. They're all the problems went away, and it took a while to figure that out. It was it was weird. We computer ticket HP for five years, and we would every now and then get together talk about these anomalies that we couldn't figure out that just didn't make any sense that would have been one of. By the way. By the way. Hello cat. Be love. Yeah. Hope you have a great evening. Hero stick to paint. Do she a? She had a busy evening early on. She was kicking out the trolls with us. Oh, wow. Them out, too. Three separate windows. Open for three separate locations. Just juggle them all their crazy, Mr., Mr.. KT KT online says that I was making up for lost time. That's why. Well, yeah, I was on my own server, and people just kept coming in, and telling me whether run person I am so, you know, I guess that's why set up the server isn't it so that you could tell me what, you know how horrible I am. Warfare means you're doing great things the word up. All right. Well, we got about seven minutes left in the show met any, any new articles you're working on for Karm at the moment. No, I'm just trying to catch up on some things are hopefully going to be some changes Karm. And so I'm prepping for some of those hopefully, we'll see what happens later sip. We're hoping some news, some changes. Match going to be replaced by a cat. Yeah. It'll improvement. I love you mad. Don't take curiously unless I say I love you, Matt. No problem. No. There's there's, there's gonna be some changes, Andrew, and I have spent a lot of hours clocking about a lot of stuff. And let me let me because you brought that up Andrew elected just say to people that, that Karm has actually. Don't know this, but the server crashed on Karm three years ago today today is, is it's the June sixth and it crashed. We've not recovered from it. And there's been a lot of issues, a lot of things and I'm actually very distracted and trying to focus as you even as I'm going through here because of the conversations at Andrew. I've had nothing against Andrew, all, but there's a lot happening and it's very difficult for me sometimes to say focus is just a lot happening and. Like I think you're, you're planning on working on some articles on NPR, if a lotta I wanna do is once stays kind of get back in place is finish up a section on slavery, because it's, it's not a very big section but it's kinda necessary and then jump into an A R new episode information because that's just going to be a long huge project is not going to be an easy one. Is this too much? Yeah. Actually, that's how we kind of started this show talking about Justin, I Philippines to deal within a are because it is that is unfortunately, the branch, quote, unquote Christianity, that is putting across the world and very, very popular right now in Africa surprised how popular in the Philippines, but that's really what we're seeing in a lot of places and is a very dangerous. I said this at the at the conference met be curious if you agree, I, I was arguing. That Eeyore in word of faith is more dangerous than Islam or Catholicism or Mormonism, because Mormonism has left. Drove witnesses have left Christianity made it clear that they were separate that. They say we don't have the gospel, and they, they have it, but any are were to faith there. Still within Christianity, trying to recruit from within Christianity. They haven't separated, and that's why I think they're more dangerous to you agree or or have a different view. I don't know. I wouldn't disagree, but I don't know if I would agree, but I but I'm not disagreeing either because what you're doing is you're putting your finger on the pulse of the danger. The danger of apostasy from within now I've read some deeply read some NAR material written by some of their authors. And I'm gotta tell you. There's a lot of good in a lot of what they say. And that, that's a fact and some of. Argumentation is quite good. And I could even learn a few things from some of the things that they're saying in the way, the genes, look, and put things together as you check. Yeah, that's consistent. So there's a lot of good. Well, it's the issue of the miracles is the issue of the submission of the gospel. It's the issue of present day, revelation to profits and apostles today in a power control area and this can affect a whole bunch of areas. NAR is huge and it one statement doesn't cover it all. So it's certainly has the potential of, of destroying the, the true gospel from within now I I let me clear for folks. They don't jump off on, on what you said, in and taken out of context. So we have it on the freker lease. There are things you can learn from them, because of the fact that even false teachers are going to tell enough truth to make it believable to make it something that you're going to buy into so not everything that you're gonna hear an NA or church or something like that are is going to be false. Not everything. But it's going to be the, the things that you are gonna see their false are going to be the distraction to pull you away from scripture to pull you away from really the things of God. And so I'm just gonna mute e because we're getting feedback from sorry. Dude, but Andrews asking about hill song. And I, I would say, you know, if you listen to if you listen Sunday's going to drop Andrew rep which rep report, if you search for that you're gonna see Justin an I we're gonna talk about health song. Why it's so dangerous why Jesus culture so dangerous. It's not that the, the music some of the lyrics are good, some of the lyrics could sink to my wife, and there would be no big deal. It's it literally could be sung to a boyfriend girlfriend. But there's some lyrics that are heretical. And when you you get those some that are good. And then you start following them. And they use the music as the hook to bring you in. That's when they pull you into their coal. And yes, I said, it's a cult, I haven't I have an episode on rap report with Amy Spearman, we go through it even shocked her because I let her explain what it was. And then I went from my book, what do they believe I defined a Colt. And I asked her, whether it fit the definition one by one. She ended up agreeing, the s the or is a cult so stainless, it is so with that we're gonna we're gonna close that we, you know, we didn't do that. We'll go quick plug for my pillow, we see we've been out of the at a six so long our sponsor, they sponsors the, the Mets lick live, which can listen to Monday through Friday and you can go to dot org to get the times, and then the phone number to call in, but Mets like live is a radio show that, that Matt does with Karm and we have one of their sponsors with my pillow, great pillow. And if you're interested in picking up, you can call one eight hundred nine four four five three nine. Nine six tell them you heard about it on politics live. We would appreciate that, though. We don't actually get a kickback for it. But, but, you know. Might pill. Well, I'm not saying this because they help support heck. I used that thing. I love that thing. It is the pillow. I sleep with. I took mine to the Philippines. Yeah, I'd go I'd take. Yeah. It is it, I use it for years. I love it. So it's not just that we're saying, oh, get it because they support Carmen met. No, it's because his great pillow I love it. And I am trying to get the president of my pillow on he. He is professing believer. He came from a alcoholic background, and he he's got a testimony that he is now sharing publicly which is very interesting. He's a big supporter of prolife ministries gave a million dollars to some prolif- Misha's. That's got into a lot of heat with the leftist. But hey. So understanding and, and fairness, the left is just I'm gonna, I'm gonna be doing a podcast, I think soon met on with some called green terrorism, or what I call economic terrorism because that's what we see, we see Georgia passes a Bill that Hollywood doesn't like and it's like we're going to hurt you financially. If you don't do what we say, they'll yet is what it is everyone lives in fear of losing their job or losing business. If they don't agree with things that certain people say must be agreed to terrorism Asian. They weaponize their position they often is that if you don't agree with their liberalism. This is it's a form of copy of actually of oppressiveness of Marxism totalitarianism, and it's a form of, of terrorism because of the fact that you live in fear of not being you could see this when he always thought it interesting when Barack Obama was president. Criticize Barack Obama. It was like they lowered their force because they didn't want to be overheard. Criticizing. Now when you hear people talk about Trump, even if they want to say something good. It's amazing how people have to I say. Well, I don't agree with everything. He says, I never heard anyone say that with Brock Obama, no supporter of Brock Obama. Did I ever hear them say, why don't agree with everything he says, but and they were and you could be assaulted yet. Whether it was guy that. Yeah. 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Can Women Preach? and the Word of Faith

Apologetics Live

2:13:48 hr | 2 years ago

Can Women Preach? and the Word of Faith

"Pala jenex law, which. And, and you before. Par of Christian. All right. We are live apologetic live. We're glad to be here. Sorry about the late start. Folks. I hope everybody can hear me. Okay. Folks in chat. Just let me know if you can hear we were having some difficulties with speakers, and things like that. So just give it quick shout out in the chat, if you guys can hear us, I'm Andrew Rappaport from striving for eternity ministries. And I guess just as we got started. I say that says hang out on the air is live hang out on the air going away later this year. So maybe that's the problem is, maybe the problem is that they're getting rid of our hangouts. I don't know. But we have a special guest thirteen night. Many of you will know the. Name. It is Justin Peters, and there's some applause there for Justin. John John has his hands up in the air and pray. So he's he's happy. You're here. Justin. Yeah. I'm not sure I've ever been given canned applause before we could do it again. If you want. For for just in. He actually, we should we should do more of this sound for just and we, we mentioned his name. So we feel like we're in heaven because Justin is here. Of looking at myself on this by phone kind of tilted up. And I'm just realizing what's like I have a halo around my head because. No. That's a good effect. That's a good effect. You know. That's. I did. I did an interview with Todd Friel and didn't realize the whole time that the way the light reflected, it, I had the same thing. I didn't realize until I watched the video afterwards, I was like, oh, that's bad. All right. Well, we're finally live. We've spent the last half an hour trying to figure out Google hangouts in some of the technology and figure out why Google hates us, I've convinced of it, but they they're probably going to yet again, move to something totally different and not tell us and will have to figure out something how to make it work. I guess they're going to them looking at this. They're going to a new thing called YouTube slash live streaming slash webcam because that's where directed me wonder if that would work for you just an on your MAC. Yeah. I wonder that would be worth a try, but I, I should send that to you. We could try to see if that will work on your MAC, just for fun. But all right, try that we could try that on your MAC, the thing I just send you. But okay, so we're going to try to do this. This this show. Little bit discombobulated. With the fact that we had just the way that things started here. So folks, thank you for those of you who have been waiting those of you who came in appreciate it. We know that we got a late start, and Tim sorry about that. We wanted to make sure that we can get things working. Oh, no. Matt saying he cannot here. Justin. That's not good. All right. Well, we're going to have to see. I wonder I'm really wondering if we need to just move away from Google hangouts, all together. I think they keep moving do. Yeah. Point for now on. Yeah. Matt, if you could just go ahead, maybe bump out, and then come back in that, that's what seemed to work for me or either that try using a PC or laptop or, or something of that nature, just seeping it in and folks who want to join you can go to politics, live dot org, and that the links to join our there, so that you can come on in an ask any questions. But first, before we get to questions, I guess, some preliminary stuff, I should mention this is a podcast that you can hear we do this live. But it turns into a podcast called the politics live. It's part of the Christian podcast community, and it is ministry of striving for eternity. Justin Peters is from a ministry called shoot. What's. Jon helped me out there. What's, what's the name of Justin's ministry? It's, it's such a hard name for me to remember Justin. I win dot com. Oh, yeah. Just that. I wind up comes the website that's really good. Yes. I think just helped me out what's the name of your your ministry again? It is I got to come up with a knee name. Justin Peters ministries. Really a really not that narcissistic. I'm just not creative. I don't know. Spent more time. You know, there's a real problem when you have Justin Peters ministries. You know it's going to be hard for anybody else to kind of take over unless their name is them. Justin peters. A little built in insurance on that at Ezra's voting Balkan because he calls his voting. Welcome ministries. But he's got enough kids, one of them's got to be named voting because he's he had to run out of names by now. He's got what nine kids, I believe. I don't know. He's got quite the quiver. Full. He's got an entire softball team. All right. All right. John says that your ministry should be clouds without water ministries. Clouds water cloudless waters. There you go. Well for folks who don't know who Justin Peters, is you are well known for your DVD series cloud clouds without waters, and it's a series, you do word of faith. But you and I have been talking a lot about a different topic recently, we were down in the Philippines. We're dealing with this issue of women preachers. There were some interesting reactions while we're in the Philippines, we you and I did a podcast together. There's some interesting reactions to that, and I recently, my latest podcast I did on, does God allow women pastors preachers. And I gotta tell you. I don't think I've gotten, so I, I got a lot of hate mail. But what I found more interesting is the hate mail. Most of the hate mail, I got were from people who practice homosexuality. I thought that was very interesting because one of the conclusions I made it why I think this is a such a serious issue is the fact that I think that when you allow when you reinterpret the word of God to allow women to be preachers or pastors. I think it's you lose the argument to argue against homosexuality. And I said, I think it's a steppingstone for homosexuality in the church and. Well, not to interrupt you. But just as to support that point look at look at where the United Methodist churches, you know, they are is the vote recently to embrace almost hourly homosexual marriage just left been left to United Methodist Church in United States. It would have it would have passed overwhelmingly. It was just more conservative Methodists in other parts of the world that, that come tip the balance against it, but the United Methodist Church started ordaining women and putting them in his pastors long before they got to the point that they're at now and yet look at where they are now most UNC churches here in the states would would embrace that you're absolutely right. Is interesting, Matt and bio, let folks too, because some people may be wondering, where's Matt slick, so Mets lick is in Manta. Utah is Manta Utah. They do this event every year. That is a pageant where they reenact the book of Mormon and there's. Thousands of Mormons that go to that. And there are over three hundred Christians of Angelides ING out there right now and mad has gone to join them. And but when I told Matt what we are discussing give me an interesting St. statistics. He had looked it up and he said, eighty percent of the denominations that accept female preachers within two generations accept homosexuality. That was, and I think it's because once you let culture interpret the word of God then cultures going to do that. And now you have to accept everything else, you lose the argument. Jason manning is joking obviously. But he says he hears that Joyce Meyer's is, is trying to get in here to ask you some questions, Justin. I don't think that's true. Yes. That's what I said. We wish true Beth more if you're out listening. What am I saying? Of course she's not. She she's only in the echo chamber. But we're gonna talk about her because there's a very important thing that happened this week with Beth Moore, but let's, let's start for folks. Just Justin you. And I both take the same position that a woman cannot be a pastor of a church cannot preach in the church. So why don't you explain the position that we both hold, too for folks? That may be this is the first time hearing it given overview of it. And then let's start talking about some of the specific things, especially what happened this week with, with an open letter to best more. Sure, yeah, there's two different positions. Basically, enter one is complementary in them, the other is egalitarianism. If you're an egalitarian you believe that men and women can ensured fulfill the exact same roles both in the home end in the church, including that of the pastor. If you are a complimentary in as you and I are. We believe that men and women are of equal value before God license three twenty eight crystal clear about that. We aren't equal value before God, we're both both genders created in the image of God, but God has designed or design men and women to fulfill different roles different. Unction in both a home in the church in God has designed it. That men are to be the spiritual leaders in both the home and the church and positions of spiritual authority in the church are reserved by God only four mitt. So this is not a male versus female issue. This is not trying to oppress women or control them in any way your argument that you're making agree with it. I'm just for, for the sake of the audience, the argument you're making is that this is an issue of how you interpret scripture. And what is scripture say? Correct. Best correct. What is your thorny in? If you say you're thority is the word of God, the bible than you have to come down on the complementarity inside the bible is crystal clear on these issues. You just there's no amount Andrew, no amount of Herman gymnastics, that you can do to come up with any kind of Falun biblical case that women can hold positions as fearful thority in the church, or they can be pastor or an elder, same thing. But yeah, there's just no amount of Herman ical gymnastics. You can go through with impasse, and pass the common sense test to make that argument. But that's what that's what he Galleria. Try to do. And so the interesting thing with this, and let me just pull the scripture up because you're saying you're making a claim we wanna support it right. This is first Tennessee to twelve to fourteen I think one of the strongest texts on the subject, there's another in first Corinthians that says a similar thing, but Paul in the press this Paul by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Or in other words, the Holy Spirit wrote this, this is an instructional letter when it comes to Herman IX, the, the art and science interrogation, there's different genres have different styles of writing. And this is instructional so this is not something like the book Genesis where it's historical narrative, and it's accurately recording, what did happen? So the fact that Paul says, I do not permit doesn't mean it's Paul's opinion apart from the Holy Spirit. This is Paul giving instruction by inspirationally spirit for the church. On how to function. Okay. Because a lot of people try to Paul's just Paul. It's not Jesus. He says, I do not permit a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man rather. She is to remain quiet now. Here's the key people. Don't like what was just read? But first team starts with four. That is a purpose clause. It tells us why that instruction is. So why is it that Paul would say, by inspiration, Holy Spirit? That woman is not the teacher have exerciser over man or but to remain quiet for Adam was formed, I than eve and Adam was not deceived. But the woman was deceived him became the transgressor. So this goes back not to culture. It's very clear, the argument for this instruction goes back to creation, Adam was formed. I eve sinned? I so it's the creation order sin order. So we, we can't argue that this is a cultural ish. Hugh. Very next chapter. He's gonna argue for pastors that there to be men. I mean, husband and wife, you can't have a woman do that. So that's kind of hard for a woman to do. Well, nowadays, I guess it isn't so hard because you have plenty of guys winning track meets for female so. Don't know what to do with that. Yeah. Yeah. Did you see that in the news, the highschool, there's a whole bunch of high school girls that have now are they've done put in federal court, they've sued because at a federal level, because the fact that all these men are entering high school female sports and getting all the scholarships? Yeah. Yeah. They should because, you know, I mean these guys that are like okay for, for a couple years, I'll run as a girl, and I get into college. I get a free ride. I gotta run on the girls track team. Okay. Yeah, but I get a free education. You know, it's, it's the end of female sports. This nonsense one not turn. You know why not has been decide that they want to join the WNBA. Then, you know. The. Come back. I love it. I love it. When science comes back to, to bite liberals, you know, there's, they say there's some big on science, well, here's some science for you either male or female, the there's no in between. You're one of the other. Your next chromosome, or y chromosome? Yeah. I wanted to get back to you for sympathy to 'cause you, you, you kinda nailed it and reminding me of the just taking podcast with Daryl Harrelson Virgil Walker. I don't know if you guys heard to last the recent yes episode, but they hit her out of the park in talked about the very same reason about women teaching and at the end there, he makes point Daryl Dell makes the point saying the gods say you should not murder in do you, not understand what that means? Right. And did he not say you should not lie in K? So where what part of what I do not allow a woman to teach? Confusing to them. You know, we and, and. This is why my most recent Andrew Rappaport rap report, I dealt with it. I went through all of the arguments that they give and just in, you know, them, right Phoebe, and Chloe, and all these others, they claim are apostles, and their their pastors their leaders of the church, you know, oh, the churches meeting in someone's house that must mean she's the pastor there. It doesn't say that, that, right. That's like saying, you know, Michelle Obama lived in the White House, therefore, she must be the president, you know. No, it doesn't. There's plenty of people actually heard the White House that are not the president. Right. It's, it's, it's not none of not one of those passages pointed out that any of those women were actually pastors or preaching every one of them, actually, like you look at Priscilla Aquilla was always there for, for everyone who wants to say that because the Goss. Spur was shared with a policy that it must have been Priscilla. I could say no. When we look at that I would say she was absolutely silence said, not a word. Her husband said everything. Detects leads me. I mean, if you're going to read into the scriptures, I read that in as just as well. Right. Right. Exactly. Exactly. And yeah, they use these used as a examples another, like the women at the tomb, the women at the tomb, they first ones to preach the gospel. They say, well, no, they, they weren't preaching may were reporting what the scene. It's not like they were opening up the tax doing exposition. They were just reporting what they just witnessed a and b they weren't in church. The turps had not even yet been been established. So it goes back to what I said earlier, you've got to do some incredible Herman Herman ducal gymnastics. And you've got to do some serious ISIS reading into the text of, meaning that just simply is not there yet. I mean it was interesting because, you know, they'll, they'll bring. Out these different passages and say, well, you know, if if someone is if a woman is treated well, by Jesus, that must mean that they could preach, how many people meter. Just in, in your church. I've been to your church. There's what like two three hundred four hundred people there now ruffling well about two to forty two forty Sunday. How many pastors are there? We have four elders for other. So does that mean the other two hundred plus people other than those four are being oppressed, because they're not pastors? Well, I tell you, I'm not an elder at church and I don't feel oppressed. So the fact that you're not a pastor doesn't mean that there's a Prussian automatically does it. Not no not. And I don't think a single woman in our church would say that she feels a press. Absolutely not. Because the argument they usually do is that if you do not allow women to preach and Beth Moore made this argument. I mean I, I find this amazing all the people that got on me on Twitter for commenting Beth more about her being a pulpit when she talks about the sexual abuse. She actually is now saying that the sexual abuse may be caused by the fact that they don't let women preach like this is the oppression on real, so, yes. So, so. Just appalling, absolutely appalling. So I mean well, there's no time she doesn't jump on anything to use it to push her. Genta. And we're gonna we'll spend some time if folks don't come in we'll wind up spend a whole time we could talk about this. But this is the thing I do want to first start off with is the argument that people make that somehow women are being oppressed. Yet. There are qualifications for a pastor in I Timothy three and Titus one. The men are men being. Have you heard this argument at all that men are being oppressed because they're not allowed not every man is allowed to be a pastor. They're not qualified not everyone's qualified is anyone arguing that the men are being oppressed. I haven't heard anybody saying that. But the women are. But the women are. Funny. How that works? Yeah. All right. So, so we're, you know, we take a position that women shouldn't be pastors. They shouldn't be preaching. I have seen this very emotional issue. Justin. I've been I've been leery very leery. That. That to open my Email. So because every Email that I've been getting ever since the podcast, this Sunday has been blasting me for different things. So I was kinda glad though to get this one. Justin. This was an Email that I got. Just last night. It said, I benefited incredibly from your podcast, it is the most organized and comprehensive yet, concise treatment on the subject that I have come across before listening to it. I was not confident at all with my stance. Not only have I made up my mind on it, but I am now confident to discuss it. This was huge to me because I'm surrounded by almost solely by Ecclesia getting the word wrong. Then I can never say the word, but where everyone wants it to be equal. L give me the word again. Not complementary. Nazem Galateri, egalitarian egalitarians most of the time. So, so here's a guy who surrounded by egalitarians, and he finally feels the confidence to, to be able to discuss it, and, and have them it's here, and we hope this, this politics, live will do the same for you, because we hear a lot of emotional arguments. We heard it down in the Philippines. Justin, we've heard it with Beth more recently. And I would like to address an issue at best more. I know you've read the letter that's been out. I know I have, but there is a an open letter to Beth more, and I will all actually have one of the initial signers of that my podcast for next week, Michelle Leslie, she's gonna come on. We're going to talk about that letter in, in some detail, but. My question for you. Just I wanna get your, your reaction from the open letter that's out there. First off, let's talk about the letter described the letter described to me or for really for the audience why you think this letter is so important for her to answer. I mean it's a public letter it's out there. Anyone can see you can go to Michelle Leslie's website and see it. And I'll have the Lincoln the show notes. But why do you think this, this open letter to her was important to put out there? Why do you think it's important for her to answer? Yes, Andrew, I think this is vitally important. I would encourage people, it's all several different ladies website, blog a the, the website that you can go to if you want to sign the letter put your name to the letter is Michelle, Leslie dot com. And so the letters posted in several different venues, but I think it's just this particular website, where you can actually a fix your signature to it. So go to Machel, Leslie dot com, but these ladies it was Michelle, Leslie. Lisbeth prada. Debbie Lynn casper. Susan. Hey, Martha piece, and I think there's a couple of others signatures on it now as well as like original signatories, that these ladies have put put this letter out there for in basic, the later, the letter is focused on one issue, and that is Beth Moore's views on homosexuality. I don't have the letter on. But, but it basically makes the point rightly so that. Best more has for several years, then. Openly endorsing in commending Jin had maker, Jen hat maker is a lady who has come out very much in support of homosexual Christians of the notion that homosexuals can be Christians. She's come out sport of homosexual marriage. Beth more Jim hat maker are very complimentary of one another publicly so repeatedly so lavished praise on another. And also Jonathan Merritt Jonathan merit is. Young man relatively young man who is a homosexual. Now. He's a bit too having at least one homosexual. Encounter. No from people who know him. Well he is a homosexual. He, he will stole recently he will never marry a woman. He just recently, very recently has in fact, it's even in this open letter you can go and read the open letter for yourself, but he made fair. Crude remarked to Dr Owen strand. Dr Owens strand has written articles about the biblical view of homosexuality. Criticizing revolt comforts, and he made a comment on Twitter that there is never a reason because he was funding something that he saw that there is never a reason for men to cuddle one another in then. Jonathan Merritt responded to Dr Owens, straighten and sit come on over. You can be my little spoon, which is just disgusting. I meets straightening, don't say that. So all of that, to say Beth more in Johnson merit lavished praise on more than one another, so in Jonathan Barrett is known for his pro homosexual views calls themself theological liberal, so the question naturally arises, Andrew, if, if you're if there's this mutual admiration society between best more Injin hat maker, in Jonathan Merritt in you notice that Beth Moore is very quick to. To chime in only issues of race on issues of complementarity Lhasa Galateri. And she's more Galateri. She's very any kind of like a made to type things. He's Johnny on the spot Costa letter Johnny spot to China lease issues, but on homosexuality. She never says anything about it just complete silence. So you couple her complete silence on that issue with her very visible friendship with pro homosexual people like John hat maker Johnson, mayor in the question naturally rises will. What does Beth more believe about homosexuality? And that's what this letter asks hurts. An open letter to Beth more detailing all of this stuff and all the everything in there is documented really well, so basically the letter asked more. What do you believe about homosexuality? Do you believe homosexuals can be Christians? Do you believe homosexuality is a San you believe unrepentent homosexuals, unrepentant practicing homosexuals, who die in that state? Do you believe they go to heaven and so that that's the that's the gist of the letter? It's very simple very straightforward. It asks her very easy questions questions that you and I could of you and I could answer instantly mean easily easy softball questions. You know. In so it's asking dancer and state or position. So I'm very grateful that this letters out there, and we'll see what happens does far. I don't think there's been a response from bath more. But it's getting some traction, a lot of people have signed, it at last, I looked earlier in the day, something like one hundred seventy two ladies, there's there's over there is right now over one hundred ninety one hundred ninety three there has been, there was a she did have a response, possibly, though, let me read from a Facebook post that she she has. And I know you're not really a Facebook guy, but I had seen this in and grabbed it. I could send it to you. But it's from living proof ministries Beth more. And it says from death and this is exactly what it says, beware of bible beaters, void of the Holy Spirit where the Holy Spirit goes the Holy Spirit shows. Now I'm gonna stop there. Does that make any sense at all? No. That's, that's the thing people thinking all that's fit. You must acquit yet. I mean it's like people just get into this thing where it just sounds good. So it must be right. And that makes no sense. Okay. So here's why, here's why say makes no sense. The Holy Spirit is Omni present. He's everywhere. There's nowhere that the Holy Spirit is not. Okay. So he doesn't really go anywhere. But let me let me see. Where the Holy Spirit goes the Holy Spirit shows next. Now, I think about it. What does he show, actually? And how does he show it? What did he show it from the word of God, which is what we resort to you? And I when we argue this point. I don't know. All right. We're the we're the Holy Spirit. Goes the Holy Spirit chose if the fruit of the spirit is not, evidenced, they can hang bible verses on the on their limbs all day long, but something still wrong with that tree. Jesus said, you know, a tree by its fruit, we are called by God to be people of both word and an end is in all caps and spirit. Yes, yes. We diligently study the scriptures pour over them in our lives. But if we do not have the love of God in in us and evidence through us, we are no different than those. Jesus called out in John five thirty seven to forty to quote and the father, who sent me has himself testified, according concerning me you. You have never. I heard his voice nor seen his form nor his word dwelt in you for you do not believe the one he sent you study the scriptures diligently because you think that in them, you'll have eternal life. These are the very scriptures that testify about me, yet, you refuse to come to me, and have life. I do not accept glory from human beings. But I know you, I know that you do not have the love of God in your hearts on quote, now, I don't I actually don't know what translation, she's using their with the I don't accept glory from human beings. I found that interesting actually it got my curiosity. I think I'm going to try to find out which what translation she was using. Because that's kind of interesting. Yeah. I do I do kind of agree with her because, you know, we are called to be people of, of the, the word and the spirit, but those two would agree, wouldn't they Justin? Yes, absolutely. The word in the spirit or never in contradiction. One another, obviously, I find that so offensive on so many levels. See put this up. Apparently. So the letter the letter went public June eighteenth, Tuesday, June eighteenth she put this up yesterday Wednesday, June nineteenth, so, you know, roughly one day later in a lot of people are saying, this is even though she didn't mention the letter specifically it, this is almost almost, it's almost certain she has the letter view here. If that's the case, the passage that sees quoting here. John five is she if she is when she is, if these comparing the, the ladies, who put this letter out to the individuals that Jesus was addressing in John chapter five Andrew, you know what she's doing? He's calling these ladies unwritten generate correct? That's what she's, she's calling these ladies lost. Because Jesus was addressing unremunerated people. That is just so offensive on so many levels rather than just answer the questions, which, again, our softball questions, easy softball sitting on the T waiting to be hit knocked out of the park rather than do that. She despaired these ladies caused her motives into question, and anteks suit them under general. Well, I think I think the thing that we, we end up seeing here is. If anyone was to say, if I say that Beth Moore's unreturned. How many people would come after me from her her crowd injury? You, you know what I do with obviously with out Waterson and are not taking a lot of heat from a lot of criticism over the years. For more faith people I can honestly tell you never have I been criticized as criticized as FIA athle- by word, faith people as I have by Beth more defenders when I say something against Beth more. I mean the claws come out and some of the things that have been said of me Beth Moore's defenders, man. They put anything that word faith at here at his said about me put in the shade. Never never seen the kind of vitriol, even from word, faith people as I have from Beth more defender. So. So you're saying they would come after me. Oh, just if I if I may I like the jump and let you know, a little background me. I shared your clouds about waters on my churches, Facebook page, and I literally I must have had like three other women just rip me to shreds for sharing your video about this, and the truth of it, and, and, and literally got to the point where the pastor had to go ahead and just leave the entire post because it just got out of hand in oh and nothing. I'm saying that I have a I go to a heretical church or anything. But I'm just saying there's a lot of women in there that, that do clean to that false teaching and I you know, my heart is that, you know, I just wanna go ahead and correct outta love. You know, I wanted to go and, and show them the truth of what they actually teach in their theology. And you know and unfortunately you know they have that, that mentality of you can't touch nor the. The Lord's anointed, you know, we all heard that little phrase over and over and over. So I mean. Yeah. I know what you mean when for some reason, you know, the claws come out when you start touching the annoyed. Yeah. I mean I I've seen this with her followers. They really rip into. They've ripped into me when I've criticized her and she is quite think I wanna focus on what you said, just because she's calling people on. Regenerate. Right. Okay. She's saying they don't have the Holy Spirit. And if anyone was to do that they would get you know with, with her. But, you know, that is actually what's at stake here. She is putting herself where it is her you either agree with her. You're not saved is, is the way she lays it out because what's the standard that she has the Sanders, her own her own belief? If you don't hold to this. She's she doesn't support it with scripture. She, she talks about pouring through the scriptures. But, you know, one of the things that's always lacking in her teachings is the scripture. Certainly the scripture in any context, proper context. Yes. She she'll quote, bible versus I mean, she'll read on I've listened to a lot of her teaching my wife and both have, but ninety nine times out of a hundred in not. I really don't say that in hyperbole, assay, geniune, -ly ninety nine times out of a hundred. She gets the meaning Rome, she gets all she gets the context. Also get the context wrong. You get the me. And honestly, some of the interpretations that she can come up with, with scripture is just mind boggling. I don't have the kind of creativity that she does to come up with interpretation of some of the first is that she, I'm not that creative. I don't know kudos to or for how creative see is I mean some of it is just absolutely looney tunes lunatics. So we think we recognize. You're not that creative, Justin. Peter's ministries enough said, all right. So I'll vouch, I'll vouch for this. You know, there's I hate driving in a car with Matt slick, because Matt slick, I listen you know, he's he likes that heavy base type music. So it drives me absolutely bonkers to be in a car with him. But it's a it's a tough call between being in a car with him and being in a car with you because I you know, being in a car with you. I get the choice of you have to channels, that you have on your, your dial the Catholic channel and the word of faith channel, it's like no, like. So I don't want to be in a car with either one of you just for the record. Well, it's. Yeah. Yeah. Get the go long road trips that's entertainment Catholic channel. And sometimes those thing, but solos thing get so repetitive. So. So, so I have added in both James, walk ins of the five SOLAS podcast. And also for the first time that I know of captain America himself is here. Chris Han holes from voice of reason radio. So both of them are here. So if you guys want to meet yourself. You're welcome to do so. By the way, James is the one who sent you the Batman t shirt that we still. That's great. I still want to get the picture of you wearing that Batman. Yeah. I need to take a picture, except I don't want to come across like promoting myself like the spiritual. Okay. So James, send me a semi a t-shirt of Robin, and we'll just then he can wear that and together. We'll be Batman and Robin on it tonight. For the record Andrew. Nobody wants to round the car with you, either. So. Either. So have you ever been in a car where I'm driving James? No, no, no, no look. I'm a very safe. My, my know my racing days are out of my system. I I don't I don't do double the speed limit anymore. I mean real no. So this letter went out, just Justin. Why do you think the issue of trying to get Beth more to, to really get her to come out publicly and nail her down on the issue homosexuality? Why's that important? I mean, what's the big deal? What if it matters that she's got a bunch of friends that are big on this, who cares? Well, friendship is not the issue in and of itself. You can be friends with a homosexual. You can't have fellowship with a homosexual, but you can be friends with one for the purpose of vandalism. But the reasons so important is this Andrew Beth more protrays herself certainly claims to be a evangelical bible teacher. She claims that the word of God is her thority in yet. And yet, she lavishes praise on gen hat maker, and Jonathan merit to people who has expressly denied the thorny scripture. And yet, she treats them like her brother in sister. In fact, she did a interview with Jonathan Merritt that listened to just yesterday when all the stuff was coming up. Listen to it yesterday. See Jonathan Merritt did hold program talking about fellowship Christian fellowship. Well, Jonathan Merritt is not a believer. He's not a Christian and don't say that to Demane him at all the scriptures very clear for Scranton chapter six very clear that homosexuals, feminine homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of God in yet. See treats him like he has this. This man needs of vandalism. He needs to be fans allies, not to fund as the lever. So she claims to believe the worth God's, he claims that it is a story she claims to teach it. And yet, what is what's the saying to her millions of followers around the world? Is that she has no problem with homosexuality because she is firming, these people as her brother and sister in Christ in? So what does what does that convey to all of these millions of people who follow her listen to her believe her to an authority on the word of God? So this is very important. It's very important in. And it's really painted her in a tight spot. Because if she if she were to come out in say, yes, a belief home six is of sand. No practicing over sexual cannot be a Christian. No, a practicing homosexual will not inherit the kingdom of God. Yes, this must be repainted Sierra to come out and say that then and a lot of problems for her, which maker, Jonathan mayor and all these others like minded, but. But I really don't think that's our position. I really believe that she's theological liberal on this position. I think evidence speaks for itself, so she's in a very difficult spot. Now, if she does not answer the letter in honestly, I don't really expect her to. I don't think she will. Yeah. Adult. But her silence own, it speaks volumes doesn't, I think it does. I mean, Andrew, you know it's not up from anybody. I think speak to anybody could ask me any question about ministry about the al-ajeen about my doctor. We may or may not agree on every Manucher of eschaton g or things like that. You know. But hey, you asked me where I stand on something? I'll tell you. No problem. Is especially not on something of this magnitude that is so crystal clear from scripture, it, this is not whether you're pre millennial post millennial pre-trade post tree of I'm lineal post, you know, we're not talking about things like that. We're not talking about who you think the book of Hebrews for this is a this is an issue that is crystal clear there's no debate about it. Amongst people who believe the bible, who believe it to be thority of an air vision. There's just no debate. So, you know, our John MacArthur RC sprawl had different positions on S catalyse. There was there's no difference between them on this shoot because it is so crystal clear from scripture, you know, this is easy, as I said, softball sitting on the T waiting to be knocked out of the park. And so are her lack of response, we'll speak volumes. Yeah. And the, the thing is, is that. As you said, this isn't son. You could sit on the sidelines about, especially because she is pushing something that I think is the steppingstone to allowing homosexuality in the church if she's pushing so strongly for women to be preachers and pastors and to be preaching on Sunday service, which she does, which she does. And then this becomes a thing of okay? If you're going to say you're going to do that, and you're going to say that, that you think that's biblical, then where do you stand on this next issue because this is where everybody always seems to go once they get women Pratt pastors preachers? They always want to go the next step to. Well, now you have to accept homosexuality, and it's say again. Oh, yes. Saying always absolute error always gets more era, always. And that's the thing that I see this so dangerous. I actually now I'm going to say this. I know just in you're not gonna disagree with this because I've talked about this. But I'm going to say this is going to ruffle the feathers of many, and I don't say this with any joy. I don't say this with any glee. I'm not happy to have to say this. But I believe Beth Moore is one of the most dangerous evangelical alive today. That is strong. That is harsh. But it's true. Why? Because she's deceiving people. She is getting people under the guise of bible teaching, she is getting away from the bible, and getting people to feel their way through the bible. It's all emotionalism. Yeah. Absolutely. And it's, it's Dane, it's. Danger to the church, and in house, e terp, prescription, you're, you're gonna learn how to interpret the bible by, by the way, that the people you listen to interpret the bottle. If you're listening to John MacArthur, Steve Austin about a Balkan that, you know, some of these guys in our C, sprawl, who's in heaven. You know, you're gonna you're gonna you're gonna learn how to rightly interpret scripture, if you listen to Beth more solo scene. Enjoy Meyer you're gonna learn how to ice scripture. You're gonna learn how to take a passage in spin it in twist it and turn it up this way in that way. In make it say whatever you want it to say, that's, that's what's happening. This is why it's so dangerous is because the she has an enormous following. I absolutely agree with you that she is one of the most dangerous people in the evangelical world. Today. More dangerous and biddy Han, because she has a much broader followed. She she has a conservative following in Benny hen. Most of his followers are not even in the realm of evangelical Christian. I mean, most feel recognized that is I mean, maybe Michael Brown can't, but the rest of even. Oh, sorry. Did did that slip? Sorry. The but she is within evangelical ISM, and she's still seen as a conservative. She still seeing an propped it up by the southern Baptist convention. So that's why I think this has to be addressed is so dangerous. The president of SPIC JD Greer fully endorses her Russell, more fully endorses herb. You have all it's all of the big wigs, and the in the SBC are either fully supportive of, of our or will not call her out by name in any kind of critique. I literally know of no one in the SPIC who is in a position of leadership at the convention level that will call her out in our air, caller out through, what no-one isn't that though the kind of that the unwritten rule in? Yes. BC though is that you don't want to. Yeah, you can't you're not allowed to actually criticize another Southern Baptists that's right. Go, you're exactly right. The only people who would now to his to his great credit. Dr Owen strand the has to his credit, but he's, he's a professor as scenario, but he's not he's not in a position of leadership at the convention level. You know, not, not with not in that sense, you know, so, so Mike might concern is what's going to happen, when JD. Good or. Steps down as president and Beth more becomes president because that's, that's the big word right now is saying that this is going to be something that's going to happen. Right. I know. And. There's a lot of discussion about that, that here's here's about take on it. And I don't think I'm right. Beth more will never be the president of SBC, not, because she would not be welcomed as such but because he doesn't want it. I really don't think wants to be president of this. I don't think she's scared that way, the gig that she's got going. Now is she? Oh, yeah. Pay cut. So I don't hurt. She's just not geared that way. That's not sheet up wanted if it was handed to own silver platter. I don't think she would take it. So. But here's the Neal point, the very fact that these conversations are even taking place that there is actually serious discussion about it that they are prominent pastors in the SBC, who would welcome that if, if, if the fact that this conversations even taking place that serves youth lost. Yeah. The DNA is. The snakes are already in the bushes. And they're they're they're doing their jobs. You know. They're they're. Yeah. Maybe there's a few church doors. We need to Nell some these on. Now, you said, CC's like to ninety five theses not feces like something else that, because that's how came across. I'm just I didn't want to open up for James and Chris, I added you guys in I, I know that this is a topic James. I know for you. Very sensitive. You've dealt with in the past, but anything you guys want to ask of, of either. Justin awry or add to the conversation. Now, I just know it's it's been pretty difficult. Because the church that we're in now, the church have Frank Mullis pastors. And I'm directly under him in a discipleship manner, as well as a pastoral manner. You know, we're still under the SBC and, you know, whenever I tell you that there's just like a desire, just completely split from them, because of the direction that they're going. I mean it's, it's unreal. I mean, we do speak out against it every Sunday, we mentioned Beth more and the heresy the that they're promoting the FOX teacher that just a very dangerous path. Very unfortunate. Yeah. Yeah, it really is. I'm so glad I'm so glad you guys are doing that. And Frank is doing that. It this. We see in. I don't say this because I've got a personal acts crown I, I was as we see I was born rear. SBC went to SPCA seminary was as we see for the first thirty seven years of my life. I'm afraid SPCA done. Stick a fork in it done there. There are some good men in the SPCA, there are I don't mean to say that there aren't there are I have good friends to SBC pastors good guys, but there's too few of them, just to few, they're trying to save the SEC, but honestly, I'm afraid they're just trying to put a little floaters on the Titanic. You know, it's amazing me. Justin, was the fact that here, you got a group of men who are SBC years ago. I remember sitting down when marked ever came to my seminary and, and hearing him lay out. He said, we several of us came up with a twenty year plan. It's the only time that you have a denomination that started going liberal, and they brought it back. It's the only denomination. I know of that came conservative from going liberal, and they did it because they had this long term plan. But this the crazy thing is the. Very seen men that had the twenty year plan that turned it around within their own time period. They're the ones letting go liberal again. They're the ones not taking a stand on social Justice. They're the ones that aren't going to be taking a stand to, to do something about this now before before you answer. What that because we just got a super chat and for folks who don't know where to super chat, is because I know Justin is he's technologically. Well, okay did take half an hour to get him in here. Okay. Super chat. Justin is when people like something said or appreciate the show where they wanna show, it by donating money. And so it shows up in the chat and a comes up. So full full belly bear gave nineteen ninety nine and his comment is. And so we always read the comment when someone gives a super chat. And I say this all time the super chats, go to Karm dot org. They do not go to striving for Turney who actually runs this, this. Podcast and show. 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Quote Batman on quote, thinks he's the pope like preacher. I saw video of him sitting on a chair and being hoisted up over the shoulders and carried into a church, which proves he thinks he's spiritually better that all of us. Oh, that's great. Full belly bear. Yes. I've actually I haven't released video but I do have video in Philippines of Justin being hoisted up on a chair and carried into the ball that we were going to speak in because they're the ramp was broken. They had a chair in the ramp that just suppose going on. But it was broken. So it was the only way to get him around. He he likes to be carried around. I know it's. When I was in Ukraine everywhere in Ukraine has steps. I mean, it's just literally every single place. I saw had steps and the church that I was pitching at head steps, and there's just no way for me to get out of them. So they put me in this chair, and they hoisted me up. And I have you ever seen the video of he's dead now but Bishop, Eddie long several years ago, and they put him in its hair, and they hoisted him up and may an apostle, and wrap demon this girl, kind of thing. And that's really kind of what I felt like, but I hated it. But it there's is either that or be preach outside. So. Well, that would be called open air, preaching. Yeah. Just saying. Hey, Justin just to give you a little bit of encouragement. I just as this show is going on re T, a message just got on Facebook because even though it's, it's late for us. Well, it's later for me than you, but it's daytime over there in the Philippines. And so from the Philippines is was is responding to me. Send me a message and just want to say that, you know, once you how we're doing since we left Manila, he said, I keep playing and replaying your podcast on the attributes of God. The very short and easy to understand. I shared it with my wife and then he said this, and I think this courage said, I was able to talk to a missionary friend who goes to victory. Christian fellowship church whose pastors were called out during the conference. He told me they wish the speakers talked to the church, I to get context any, any thoughts on that. And I my thoughts are told him is we, we tried. We asked. Before and afterwards they declined to meet with us. There's no need to meet with them when, you know, they're they were public statements that they made. And I said to him, is that the thanked me for clarifying this, if, if they're offended by you and I quoting them, it means they know their quotes are wrong. Because they don't want the quotes out there. Right. I mean, if you said it you should be proud to have it after. Yeah. All right. So, and I guess Chris Han holes aka captain America, and we did you and I did take a picture, actually, you and I in the Philippines saw in the mall, captain America. We took a picture with captain America because we, we wanted to feel close to Chris Han holes from voice of reason radio and for folks who don't know Chris, he, he is. He's a police officer by day captain America by night, or really what it is, is he dresses, as captain America. And, and this is the part that, you know, I have to say nice things about him when I say this, and I hate it, but he goes, he dresses up to captain America and goes, like children's hospitals and just, I like makes the day of these kids at it's like, okay, but I mean, we wanna make fun of him because he's a grown man dresses, captain America, but he is making the day for, for these kids, but he's obviously. On his show. He's got the gift of gab. But here he's, he's like just like I'm just listening, just go on without be. So cool. That's so cool. That's really encouraging. And I have no doubt that, that opens up opera -tunities for captain America to share the gospel to with these kids in their, their parents. And that's just really cool thing. Chris don't, don't. He's typing in the corrections. Don't just type them in on meet yourself. Mr. got a podcast voice of reason radio. Come on. Yes. We are trying to force you onto the show. We should just all go silent until he you know, it'd be for horrible radio. If we did this and, you know, make him actually say, Hello, people in YouTube or saying, come on. Chris, they all want to hear your voice. We want a voice of reason on this subject, sir. And he's not gonna do it. We can't we just can't get them. All right. Well. Wow. I know. Captain America failed. I just saw Chris to go there. Hey, chris. Hi. How you. Well, I was trying to just eat dinner and enjoy the program. But, you know, Andrew being Andrew had to find a way to force me on. Hey guys. Doing well doing well. How about you? Blessed? Tired? Trying to stay awake. Two two weeks of training for my job. So. Have you? I don't know if you have you had a chance to see this open letter to Beth more yet, Chris. Yes, actually, I'm sure you're going to deal with it on your next show, like every other podcasters going to, but what are your thoughts? Well, actually, rich and I recorded yesterday because my training. And so it's going to drop tomorrow morning and that was what we lead with. I think the letter that Michelle and the other ladies put together is, I think it was solid. I think it addresses a genuine a genuine problem that. A lot of folks simply are trying to ignore an, that's she's Beth has a history of spending time, and promoting people who are very problematic at a minimum downright heretical at the words, and she never seems to catch any kind of any any problems or any concern for it. And so, I think it's an entirely appropriate to say okay. Here, you are someone who is very much about lately social Justice. You're talking about misogyny. You're talking about racism, part and parcel, with the whole social Justice intersection -ality issue is the LGBT group. And if you are so remarkably silent yet, you're maintaining these associations with people who promote this, where do you stand because this is important? You're jumping into their camp, you're making pitches for them by saying, we need. To be part of this social Justice movement. If you're going to make that pitch. And I think Bodey Balcon said it perfectly you have to be all in, you, don't get to pick and choose when it comes to the social Justice movement. You can't say or I'm okay on issues of racism, LGBT you will be devoured alive asked. Martina navratilova. What happened when she did that, you know, outspoken, lesbian tennis player who said, no transgender men should not be women's sports and they destroyed her. So Beth more is being remarkably silent. She's going to have to answer this at some point. I think it's better that Christians asked for this question, and ask her to take a stance, then she finds herself in the crosshairs of the social Justice movement. Yeah. That's exactly right. Yeah. If she were to come out with a biblical position on homosexuality, she would lose her woke card. In heartbeat. And I'd say to Chris goes what, what you just said Jonathan dean this way as well. Si. See professors are love for John hat maker, and Jonathan Merritt. I would like to know. What's this question was in what I would like to know best if you say if he believe the what the bible says about homosexuality. Have you fans allies these people? You say you love them. You say you love them. Well, have you lovingly told Jonathan merit that if he dies in the state that he is? And he will perish for all turn ity because the bible says that he will. So, yeah. I think this is a letter that best more just can't answer, but in not answering it she has answered it. No, I, I absolutely agree with that. It's she is such a popular figure that it in life, lifeway is you can be sure her handlers. Right now are just absolutely keeping her away from any response to this. Because no the second she steps out if she endorses LGBT lifestyle as being as Jen Matt hat maker, put it relationships that can be holy, but half the SBC, despite where it's going is going to jettison her. She denies that. LGBT can be holy ended. It is sin. There goes the other half. So this is for her. This is a public relations nightmare, and that's not what was intended what it's going to be. Yeah. Yeah. And I hope hope that it is a hope that it's smokes her out for who she really is. Because she is not the on the theological, conservative, that people think are, are to be in fact, just today on Twitter. I had can't remember saying of bird, something burdening what he's a professor of New Testament professor of theology seminary, and he was he was going to bat for Beth more in Q me accuse me of, of, of covering for abuse from men because because of this open letter that, that thinks she oughta answer, then that means I. Pose her calling out of Beauce for men sexual abuse for me. So I must be in favor of men sexually abusing women. Well, the fact is there, there is sexual abuse that goes on, but the here's the interesting reality, the same reason that the sexual abuse goes on, is the same reason that the abusive allowing the woman to preach goes on, because people are not living and following by the scriptures. You're allowing other things to be more important than God's word, and you're not practicing completely what's scripture say in the church and he goes for both. So it's kind of ironic because on one hand she wants to reject the scripture, so she could be preaching at a pulpit on a Sunday morning, and yet she's upset because other people for not following the scriptures and sexually abusing people. Well, wait a minute, both the wrong, according to scripture, once you reject the scripture and say it's cultural will them what gives you the right to say the sexual abuse is not cultural as well because, you know, I don't know if you guys realize but. Can't remember, if I heard this on my on, Al molars briefing today that they're actually, in teen vogue, a teen magazine, that's supposed to be about teen fashion. They had an article promoting prostitution as a real job to teenagers to thirteen year olds promoting prostitution as a way of making money to thirteen year olds. You don't think that this culture is trying to redefine everything in the realm of sexuality? Yeah. Red sex work is real work. Yes. Yeah. So. Insanity insanity all round us. All right. So let's, let's I want to shift gears to were to faith for, for at least the time we have left since no one else came in. There was someone who came in, and we didn't get chance to Ataman because he just dropped out, but. I'm gonna I'm gonna let the expert who is in here. Answer an Email that we gotta striving for turn ity. The reason I'm doing this is basically that way I could just I was gonna say my Email response was going to be go to Justin Peters dot ORG. But better yet, I'll actually ask this of the man behind Justin Peters of Justin Peters ministries full belly bear just gave another superjet said can women can can women street, preach to the lost. Okay. So before we move on, let's answer that because we may have some differing opinions here. I'll go I put this the stake in the ground Justin's gonna disagree with me to, to a degree possibly, so first off. Let me let me correct, the and he and full bear gave a dollar ninety nine for for that question. So I guess that's one way to make sure question gets answered. Right. You, you, you give a super chat. We're gonna ask the question. Okay. So first off, I have a problem with the way it's worded can a woman street preach to the lost. I don't think it's preaching if it's preaching like if she's opening a bible like we do in a Sunday morning. And she is reading Texas scripture exigent net. Text explaining the meaning of the text giving the application of texts than I would say, no. Okay, because we don't we don't see it now can woman, evangelize a man. Well, I have a lot of reasons. I don't think it's wise, but I think a woman can evangelize person now if woman is talking to one on one. Can she do? Like Ray comforts, good person tests. Can she do that? Okay. I would say shirt, can she shared her testimony assure? 'cause she just read scripture, I would probably say sure can she do at one and one? Yes. So she could do what want to do it with, with three or four people, or five people, or however many people, I would say, maybe but if she's going to when, when you put her up on a box, and she seen in a in a position where maybe she could be seen as an authority now. It becomes a little bit of a different area. Now, let me say this. I cannot look, I can't look at the passage in I Timothy two and say that, that's going to apply because the street is not church. Okay. And I think I two is within the church. I think that there's some issues there that are grey areas. But I think what is clear is she cannot exegetes scripture the way we would do in a church that I would have real issues with that can share how she got saved. Can she just read a scripture Verson like God do the work through the scripture can? She just do a good person test. Like Ray comfort, does I, I would say, okay. I don't know that I'd comfortable. I'm not super comfortable with doing it on a box. But that's there's multiple reasons for that Justin's gonna have a different take. And I think, you know, he's, he's almost swayed me, and so maybe this'll be the this may be the one that pushes me over the headship issue, just had a long talk about this, and he will be honest with you, folks, I've talked about this issue of women, open air of Angelides ING, and I would say that I've heard a lot of different arguments. I think Justin put gives the best argument I've. Ever heard against it. Now, I've kind of set him up pretty high, too. Like there's high expectations now. But that's why I went I so that he can now convinced me maybe by the end this show. I'm going to repent and change my view completely, but I'm close, I will admit last coversation. He's got very close. So go ahead. Justin. You lift me. Now, trying to remember what I sent. Well, you're about headship and the example, everywhere we see in scripture of headship, and so that was. Yeah. I mean you just. There there's, there's something to be said for this. There's something to be said it was not a random flip of the coin that all of the apostles were men that was not a random flip the coin, it's not a random flip the coin that all the elders in the church planners and evangelist, and that they were all men that that's not a random thing that was designed. And even at chapter six I was I was reading day. Next chapter six. You have an issue that raised up Ray, thank to the first real kind of a crisis issue of the, in the in the early church, and it had to do with the collection of for the widows to, to care for them. And it's interesting fact, I'll just flip open to it right here. Now this time actually on out this time while the cycles, increasing number a complaint arose on the part of the hell and Jews against the Hebrews because their widows were being overlooked in the daily serving the food. So the twelve apostles summoned the congregation of the desirable calls and said it is not desirable for us. The word of God in order to serve tables, therefore brethren select from among you seven Mehan of good reputation full of spirit of wisdom, who went we may put in charge of this task. So here, you have kind of I crisis issue that arose in church and end the puzzle said select. From among you, seven not, not women. And this su- care for the widow. So, you know, it's a good opportunity for to put, ladies and charge of helping the widows. Right. But no, they said to seven men to do it. So all throughout you. See you see men taking the leadership roles in the home in the church. There's just there's absolutely no biblical case to be made for women preaching. Theoretically, Andrew agree with you, that, that a woman could one on one share of the gospel. I agree. I do not recommend it. I think you run into all kinds of potential difficulties there and misunderstandings. So encouraged me to do that with the end winning to do that with women out on the streets. But yeah, when you when you step up and you start taking the word of God and reading it and expounding on it. You've you've entered a different realm. Even though you're not in church out on main street standing on the box grant, you're not in a church per se. But that is still, you're still taking by virtue of the fact that you're exposing us word, you're, you're taking a position that's already goes, God's words thought, but yeah, just just there's no biblical case that can debate for a woman to open air pres just goes against the natural. Order of things goes against what we see scripture. So. So. You know, we got a couple of. Was that what you were talking about? Yeah. Chris, where you're going to say something. I just had been really having anything planned that I was just would agree with, with just an actually, I mean scriptures pretty evident allow the headship in it pies, back the God's created order. And when we. Try to make the case that well, if, if women can do this or women can do that. And, you know, then we maybe we can twisted this way or go that way, I think we're stepping outside of that a little bit. And now it's like we're all the caveats how what things can we do? How can we do it? This can we not that way? And I think that's part of the problem is, is rather than looking at house. God laid this out, what is the order, he set up how we see modeled in scripture, how do we see it? Modeled in the church and let's do it that way. It's like we're trying to say, well, what are the ways we can get close to the edge here? It'd be okay. I mean I look at it and I used to be one of those that the I didn't see that it was a big deal. But the more I look at it and, and, and the more I heard the arguments kinda like Andrew over over time. There's been a lot of arguments made some were not so nice on either side ultimately came down to. We're saying to people repent believed the gospel, we're giving commands when we share the gospel, if you are preaching this from the box if you're on the street corner, commanding this, you're, you're speaking with the level of thority. And this is not a. A situation where you can unless you were at a place where you knew it was just only women, I think you would have a hard time being able to say you're not exercising thirty to anybody in your shop and I see that as being problematic at amendment. So I, I agree with just on this. I think ties back screen in order. We see the headship male headship throughout scripture in that reflects God's relationship with the church through Jesus Christ. I don't wanna mess with that. And in the, you know, kudos, everything you just said, Chris and throw in one other thing, just for clarification. And in addition to what we're talking about just support. It made clarify a little bit of the question was cana- woman should preach. Really the question should they should a woman preach, and we're not talking about a matter of -bility. Oh, I have no doubt that there are many, many women who could who have the ability to do it. Who have the spur scriptural knowledge that, that, theoretically would have the ability to do it? But that's not the issue. We're not talking about or women spiritualism in are they can they know as much doctrine as man, we're not talking about that. We're talking about sued she is. She permitted to. So I just want to make that very clear for all of our listeners viewers, or whatever there, we're not talking about a lack of ability or capability. It's roles. It's should seek. Not really can't she that make sense. This this and just for some gets more super chats in full belly bear gave four ninety nine saying Andrew such a gentleman that he doesn't want women's standing on the box because they might slip and get hurt. That's exactly the reason. That's the reason that's what Jason manning gives two dollars. And says Jesus is Lord praise Jesus. So we have that. It's nice that I'm to be a gentleman. I would I would like to your Chris Han whole say that I'm a gentleman that, that now that would be neat. I'd have to clip that and use that often. Andrew, you're a gentleman clipping that. Hey speak. Speaking of clips, I have something I've always wanted to be able to play. I've never had a use for this clip yet, and I really still don't have a use. But Justin Peters is going to have a new podcast. You guys know that he's do you know okay? This is going to be really bad. I'm going to say this, but Justin Peters has one one episode that he started to, to start his podcast. And basically, what happened was is that he hasn't done any since then. Okay. Guys guys, Justin Peters has almost seven hundred downloads on a clip that says coming soon. I don't even think I've got that bond ever. There are people just in that are like. If he gets an actual podcast out. In three years of podcasting. The one podcast episode we have that's the highest is about two hundred fifty two hundred seventy downloads that was with Michelle Leslie as a guest. So him doing introductory podcasts as outclassed all of our other. So you see, just that says, is, there are a lot of people that really really, really are anxious that tells me that those people have subscribed, and they're waiting. They're waiting. But I'll give you give you guys from behind the scenes this was this was me, trying to introduce just and when we did that so I'll play this for for your enjoyment, at my expense. Higham Andrew river from the Christian exa- bent. Let me do that again. Yikes. Justin here must that must be it. Yes, I'm very intimidates. So they heard it just admits. He's very intimidating. I grabbed that because I said, there's gotta be some time with that cubby used for fun. So now is the time I guess. So just and we got an Email into striving for turn ity and the subject was. Holy laughter. Okay. So this is one that you're better equipped to handle the me. And so thinking if you give an answer here, I could just direct them. Not only to Justin Peters dot org, but also to, to here to be able to your answer. But here's the question I'd like you to, to see if you can give an answer. Well, okay, it says, I'm a Pentecostal believer in a believer in everything that comes with that doctrinal. But I have been young in the ministry, and I just have seen people who laugh hysterically at things. Like the Toronto blessing. Do you firm guys like Rodney Howard Brown and Bill Johnson and movements such as that? Or do you see them as not the work of the spirit? It's been hard because guys like David Wilkinson think it is not. And I just want to be firm on firm one because to me, I seeing it made me. Grievous little immediately red flagged in my spirit. I'm young, I just going on in the ministry and want to be led. Correct. So how what's gone Manson liberty? His name is. David. David is he is. He watching I have no idea if he's watching, I did. I realized I should like that. I was gonna ask you this, and I said, I should have emailed him and told him but I'm going to send him the clip. You know, send them where where this is in, in the clip. So if you want to speak directly to David go ahead. Yeah. Yeah. David, I'm so glad you sit that question the end and I was really touched actually by for one year humility, and acknowledging that you're young. And you have a lot to learn. I mean, we all do, but, you know, being young, you know, older guys we've got a little bit more a little bit more of the rear view mirror, then you do a little bit more gray in the beard. You mean there? Yeah. Got lots of great but. Yeah. Appreciate your humility in recognizing that. And, and also I was I was, I was encouraged what you said when you saw this you grieved at it. And you know what? Honestly of that, to me sounds like the working of the Holy Spirit inside of you that you see something even though you may not know why it's wrong. It just instinctively greets you. And there's a reason that it grieves you becomes it's not right. It's not as with anything that we see practice. Our first question that we need to answer is, is it difficult. Is there any scriptural support for this? And the fact of the matter is, is that there's not, there's not in fact, we see the opposite in scripture, when we see men who find themselves in the presence of God old or New Testament. We see people who are overwhelmed by the holiness of God overwhelmed by their own sinful state. Even John writing the book of revelations as an apostle is writing the book of revelation, when Christ appear to fellas as that man, we see we see is saying, whoa, is me for I'm ruined from a man of unclean lips and live among the people of unclean lips for my eyes of seeing the king Lord of hosts we, we don't see anyone in the bible, getting their chuckles off of God. We is just completely foreign scripture. The opposite of Addis history. We send people overwhelmed by his holiness and they fall reverence before not the they don't laugh at him. So it's, it's very biblical. It's a pagan practice actually Hindus through this people in into kindling laugh, uncontrollably. It's not something that Christians ought to do. So all of your concerns are very warranted. And that check in your spirit that you had there's a reason you had that checking your spirit. So. Yeah. And I would concur with everything they said, I mean, there is there's a lot of stuff. I mean, he mentioned some other stuff with the some individuals Rodney Howard Brown and Bill Johnson it. Yeah. These wolves these are false teachers absolute. Yeah. The Toronto blessing and the Brown revival. For folks who may not know who some of these people are or what the Toronto, blessing or the revival, the Brown viral or some this. Holy laughter. Could you could you explain to folks, what some of the stuff is, I mean, I and I'll give you my take and then because you're going to expand on it and answer much better than I do. But to me, it just seems like it starts off with can speak in tongues. I feel more spiritual because I'm doing I have this personal experience. And then I get a word of the Lord, I feel like I do more because I got this. I got even more spiritual and it becomes this thing where I have to outdo, that, that experience that emotional experience to get a high almost like I, I have to keep going to where now it's it's barking like dogs. It's this holy laughter. They have holy vomiting. They have all kinds of things where people are claim to be drunken the spirit and they act like they're drunk and you see this stuff and. It reminds me of it reminds me you back when I was in high in college. I used to work at a bar, and I used to be I've done every bartender, I was used to I'm ended up making most of the money just doing being outside the bar with the parking the cars. I was actually a bouncer even by the way, just in our that might with my big huge build. I was I was actually Pouncer. But the thing was is that I was the what bouncer no one, I was the bouncer like the, the other bouncers used to laugh because I was the guy that didn't look intimidating until you had to deal with me. Half the time. I just use my brain. I'd be like, you know, I'd, I'd get in someone's face and be like I want, I want you outside you and I right now at pump the side door open, and they had marched right out. And I just close by. But see these people being completely sober and watched them. And they looked so foolish to me. And that's what I, I see with a lot of these movements. Could you explain with some of the more what's, what's, what's Bethel about, what's I hop about the these different names mentioned? Maybe could go into some of those. Oh, yeah. There's an awful lot there. But to what you were just saying, one of the fruits of the spirit of self control would be sober-minded. So controlling what you say McCain's Matic movements. Exact opposite of that. So it's not the work of the Holy Spirit. You had things like the Toronto glistening Pensacola, revive all the Brownsville revival of. The late Clinton about ten years ago with Todd Bentley. But these supposed- moves of the Holy Spirit with within the charismatic movement. It's all these movements, whether it's Toronto Brownsville Pensacola, there's one going on now and mobile Alabama. All of these things are marked by. False. Prophecies unbe, theology. Heretical crystal Aji oftentimes, a lack of preaching on repentance, an emphasis on signs and wonders and feelings and emotions and experiences. And in everything that the bible does not focus on what these people focus on. Their emphasis is on the Holy Spirit. And yet, we know from scripture, the Holy Spirit always points to Christ. He doesn't never points to himself, always points to Christ. So the they are, they are rife with the it's kind of like a modern day version of Fini's them in a sense, Finney, whenever he preached. No. With his decision region ration-, you'd have lots of numbers than after he left the town that he was in was left in a worse state than it was before he got there. They started calling it the burned over districts because it was so rife with immorality, even after the supposed revivals happen. That's what you see what these, these more modern day movements is, you don't see a transformation of the city at all in if the Holy Spirit was doing the work that they claimed he is doing. You would see some fruit of that, but you just don't. It's modern day burn over. District when you when you see these things. Crop up. Up into a lot of these meetings personally, and I've been the lakeland. I can tell you, there's, there's hardly any gospel being preached there might have a little bit of Elaine, go there, but there's no infants awareness of San personal holiness. Geniune repentance taking up the cross. It's all about getting buzz. It's all about getting some going from one experience to the next these ridiculous manifestations these ridiculous emotional outbursts emphasis on, on prophecies that are always false. So they're God has nothing to do with this stuff. It's all purely pagan. In driven by Boashan, inexperienced, not by the word of God. So other than that, I have no problem with. Other than that. Okay. So let me let me ask a question. I don't remember where I saw this was could have been Twitter combining. But the question that I saw asked was, oh, I saw it on Facebook. Someone asked can I listen to Bethel music, and they made it comparison between Bethel listening to Betham music and listening and, and eating meat offered unto idols so that they were basically saying if the you can eat meat over into idols, can you listen to Bethel music because as long as you know, that there's problems with some of the songs listen to the other songs. And I'm guessing they're saying, you know, whether it's an attorney, I, I don't know the context of that question. But that came up. I know how I answered but. Let me ask you this question. I should people listen to Beth music. I know your take on that. So, and then after that, when you say no they shouldn't because I can I was on the radio interview when they asked you that question. So I know your answer. But when you say, no, then the question will come up as, as a follow up. Okay. What about meat offered unto idols? Is that the same thing? Yeah. No, it's not the same thing. It's you're comparing apples to oranges. There's really no no, not even a change. Intial relation to those two things. So they're completely dispirit arguments issues that you're dealing with you're right. No. You should not be listening to Beth all you should not be listening to hill song, Jesus culture, Bethel hill song, and for fun. Let's throw in elevation church pastored by Stephen. Fertig. Yes. Of course, they produce some songs that will pass a doctrinal smell test. Some of their songs are really wonky in some of them, some of them do pass doctrinal smell test, some of them even have a almost a almost account monistic bent to them, believe it or not. But. And so these they songs are enormously popular. And I've been in churches in good searches. Dr Lee sound churches that saying he'll songs. And it makes me bristle because here's the danger. The unsuspecting person sitting out there in the pew, and they're looking up on the screen in their singing lyrics, and they noticed down in the bottom left hand corner ethic is about him western corner music by he'll song. Oh, he'll saw. Well, we're seeing their music. So I think I'll check them out. They must be okay. We're singing their music. So I'll check them out. So these churches quote unquote because they're not churches hailstones. Not a church Bethel is not a church elevation church is not a church. Lack of Ben call themselves, but these churches use their music as a hook to pull you into their heretical system to pull you into their false, the Oliver the use their music as fundraisers, they make enormous amounts of money off of royalties selling their music and searches feeding these so to speak make them Norma snaps of night, often their music. That's one thing in your sporting colts when you do that. But also, they use it as hooked pull you into their theology. It's, it's kind of like a twisted outreach for them their own twisted version of evangelism, if you will. And so, yeah, I just bristle when us go into a church sing hill song songs. I mean it's I tell you what macho coot and communicates, ain't no hilson going on at our church. We don't even say Michael to be. With songs much less hill song all this stuff. So anyway, that's how I feel about that. It's, it's, it's dangerous. It's very, very dangerous. Right. And so we're getting a lot of super sets tonight. Full belly. Bare just bringing out people that are just liking this full belly bear is four dollars ninety nine cents. And he says, Clint Eastwood has a lot to say on this on the YouTube channel Lutheran satire. Funny things. All right. That's just go. I love it. Yeah. Let's let's see. Can we find can we find Clint Eastwood, because that I think you made me watch that. And that was hysterical. Clint Eastwood Lutheran. I'm guessing this Lutheran satire. Let's see we could share screen that should be able to work. You, you made me watch this. Yes. So let me let me share my screen and just, you know, if you guys hear it, okay, give me a sums up just, you know, in the screen off to say anything. But just so I know that you're hearing. So let me share this and here we go. Only only three minutes long. So let's enjoy. Oh, wait. I know what I'm going to need to do. I hold on. Okay. Now, let's see if you'll hear it. Okay. Where do you want me to stand right in front of the Mike is good? And you guys just want me to read some hymns. Oh, these are better than him way, more inspiring, and relevant. Oh, I feel like dancing. It's foolishness. I know. But when the world has seen the light, they will dance with joy like word dancing now. Yeah, this is a religious song. Yeah. About god. Yes. The bible, God that's the one. In the secret in the quiet hour, I wait only for you, because I want to know you more, I want to touch you. I want to see your face. So you're telling me that people sing this stuff in church. Yeah. Men sing this insurance. Well, usually just the guy in the praise band sings. It everyone else, just puts their hands up in the air and sways to the soothing soft rock rhythm, like they're at Phil Collins show in nineteen eighty six. Well, that sounds about right freedom freedom freedom, freedom, freedom, freedom, freedom, freedom, freedom for when oceans rise. My soul will rest in your embrace for I am yours. And you are mine. He sure I got the right words here because this doesn't much sound like church music to me. What does it sound like like, what would happen if my six year old granddaughter married, a care bear, and they wrote their own wedding vows? Yes. Lord, yes. Lord, yes. Yes. Lord. Yes. Lord. Yes. Lord. Yes, she has voiced in the script. Pink cadillac. All right. Next song. What's the matter? When I guess I'm just a bit confused, this Christian music doesn't really talk about grace forgiveness in any meaningful way. In fact, a lot of it doesn't even mention Christ by name. Right. So what's the problem? Well, since Paul says, in Colossians, three sixteen that the purpose of sacred music is to teach people who Jesus is. And what is done for us? You'd think that people who write sacred music today, might at least one name drop the sun, God and the one of their little did. He's. Yeah. You'd think that. But now. Upon urine. Call upon your name. I mean, never actually say your name, and this song. Saul oceans seeing. Say. Dude. Why are you making fun of all our songs? Maybe it's because I don't much care for it when Christians toss their greatest musical treasures in the garbage in order to sing a bunch of Josh Grover knockoff, barely religious cheese, ball, balance for soccer mums what, you know, something better will help out this. Now, I will cling forever to Christ my savior, true. My Lord will leave me. Never whatever he passes through Rennes deaths chain breaks, through sin, and pain. He shatters home. Els follow him through. Dude that was awesome. Can we record that with the band are the good? Oh, we've got the best praise band in the state, these guys can play anything. All right. Let them know the song has three sharps seven courts. Yeah. Okay. We'll never mind that Mozart. All right. So there you go. That's some good stuff from Lutheran satire, which is always fun to do. So we'll stop sharing their. Okay. So, yeah. That, that's some good stuff that you made me watch. One day. Yeah. My favorite line is like six year old granddaughter married. A care bear. Gold. Yeah. That's good stuff. All right. So. So I guess with that James dropped out. Everyone dropped out, Chris, Chris here. He's got his headphones on. So now he's now he's ready to do. Some, some real podcasting. Now, now, he's ready. He probably has his professional, Mike. They're the kids have left him alone. They closed the door behind him. So Chris, if you had one opportunity to ask Justin Peters, anything now, is it no pressure? Put me on the spot. Hopefully. And Justin, if there was ever time that you that you wanted to ask, captain America anything I mean, now is the time that you'd be able to ask captain America himself. You know what it was it like being trapped in water for what was it forty years, you could ask them? Well, I tell you, if it was, if I would say, how can we be? How can you play a character like captain America in basal liberal, politically scouts really? I was so disappointed when I saw on us all close for me the easiest way out there. Lawmen. Left-field big-time yet. Claes captain American like how come I I was almost as disappointed as found out? Andy Griffiths was also liberal. Offense. He was like, oh, come on. Seriously, Andy Griffiths. Yeah. But chris. I am. Sure, I mean I just think what you do. So great. Sure that you have had to have had to have had many opportunities to share the gospel with people through through this, too. Is that right? I would like to say that the case, Andrew tends to inflate what I've done. A little bit. I seen pictures. Okay. I didn't you also go to Comecon and things like that, which, hey, those are great up to share the gospel, too, by the way. But I've seen pictures you with hospital. I tend to focus on the positive. There there's been two times when I've gone, and it's been with, with other groups that were not religious law. He's kinda subject to what they were what they wanted to do. So I didn't really get an opportunity to talk with the kids, so what it's getting a chance to, to see their faces in be. There has always been enjoyable, but it's, it's a secondary thing at most all do started as a thing with my family. So my primary desire is to, to do, what rich and I try to do in. That's spend time talking to people about Christ shared online share the gospel that way. It's illegal. Andrew loves to make a lot of this. It tends to be the truth is. It's a very small portion of what I spend time to her, sir. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm just judging by your Facebook. I mean, look anybody listen anyone go out to Chris holds Facebook and just look at how many pictures just examine the pictures and you decide if his life is kept in America, I it, it just looks like it is. It's a hobby and so I share my hobby, I out. But if you look at my Facebook, my Twitter, it's also filled with far more stuff from boys, the reason radio over the last keepers. Well, I'm just glad and this will be my first chances saying that I'm very glad that voice of reason radio has been consistent over the past several months and I- shocking, but you guys like have you guys missed an episode since I gave you all that grief about missing episodes, only one, we did miss one episode, but we ran a rerun which was something we had not done before. And thankfully, we have like three years with podcast. We do that with now but we've tried to be very consistent because thanks to your generosity being able to be shepherd conference. It. It gave me an entirely different perspective on what we've been doing because I got to meet face to face some people who listen to program, we're small program, but to fact that you still get to even occasionally meet someone or talk to someone who has been impacted by the program that changed my attitude. Great. And I began to realize there was something that, even though will we may never have the, the massive reach of some of the other programs, which is entirely fine. We don't need that. Anybody that listens? God is using for his purposes. And so I wanted us to be a bit more consistent about that. I take issue with what you said. I am not generous. I take issue with that. Okay. There's no evidence that either one of you in, neither one of you would be that same Facebook stuff that Andrews talking about go back and look for the one where I show, you the viewed Afo crossway ESP preaching bible that I not purchase. He did. So, yes, understand, he wanted to know what sputter lease. But, but how did you say, buttery soft buttery soft, and that was the phrase that was used when the preachers bible came out, and all the plasters went Gaga over the goat skin leather? And I went now I understand I have I have mine right here. I love my ESV. Goats gin. Actually, I ended up, I ended up getting a second one hold on because this one's the two has the two columns. I like the one column and I ended up getting to be able to get a second one because someone look at look at look that the one cop them that's the one I like better the one column. So I, but I, I take issue with that. I don't think there's evidence Justin I win. Everyone should go to Justin. I win dot com. Enjoy the videos enjoy the pictures, and donate, just saying donate to Justin Peters dot org. Can I hey, Chris do you what do you think do you mind if I embarrass Justin Peters bit? Like, whether I say, yes or no will matter while. That's true. Let folks, let me give you some reasons you should go to Justin. I win dot com and donate to Justin Peters and just in the comments section put hashtag, Justin. I win share it online people know you gave to him in that way. More people can give to him. But just in just this year just, just this year, not the whole time you're minister just this year when you think about how many countries you've been in. He's going to have to count this up. I already see the gears are turning. How many countries have you been in this year alone? Okay. That's far have been in. Honduras. Philippines ukraine. Canada. So I, I guess and the United States. Well. For four four four international countries. Just this year. Now folks. Listen, Ukraine, Uganda Philippines. No. Not uganda. Rain, Philippines and others onto our sorry. Okay. So just think about those places think about, okay, just in is in his motorized scooter, which doesn't work well in a lot of these places. Okay. Let me tell you why I, I'm gonna I'm gonna get myself in such trouble Chris. And I'm going to do it anyway. Me into. Yours. I might need captain. America's bail me out of this one folks on your own on your own. Here's the reason, I would encourage you guys to donate to Justin Peters dot org. Okay. Every single one of you I want those who are listening right now as long as you're not driving get onto the website, Justin. I win dot com. Okay, go there and send a donation. I'll tell you why. Let's get enough money together for Justin, so that he could travel with someone so that he could take a ministry partner when he traveled, I've been able to I've been privileged enough to travel with him on some of these things. And I can tell you, he, he won't he's like no no, no, I could try to manage. I he tries to manage everything in these places where I mean, we're joking earlier, about them lifting them up in a chair, because he can't he can't walk long distances. He has the crutches for folks, that don't know. Justin has cerebral palsy. I remember I interviewed Phil Johnson on my rap report podcast and we were talking afterwards because Phil was also supposed to be going to crane, not as long as Justin. He was going just for a shorter trip. And Phil Johnston said to me, this is for me to go to the Ukraine is a big deal. It's a lot of effort. He goes, I don't know how Justin does this. How does he go everywhere like this, because it's not designed for someone with his his handicap. Folks, if we could get enough money to Justin Peters ministries, maybe Justin will be able to take captain America with him everywhere. I mean, there's no one better than captain America. I'm just saying. If you could get captain America go. Now, think of it could be. It could be Batman and captain America. I mean what better duo? That's the team right there. Right. But, but all in all seriousness, you know, a lot of these trips that just does he does alone and, you know, maybe we could donate enough money when he does these trips he could take someone with them have have the resources to, to bring another person to be able to help out just thought. So folks, get out there right now start donating go to Justin. I win dot com. Put in the in the comments hashtag, just on wins, because that gives me bragging rights in a back and forth battle that Justin, I've had over who could who could out bless each other. And so by doing that you're basically, giving me bragging rights over Justin, that I've, I've made sure that I win the battle of bragging rights by making try implore all of you to donate to Justin Peters. He tried to get me back. He just you bought a book most expensive book that you've ever paid for. Why don't you? Tell that story how you tried to get me back. Oh man. I, I, I don't want. Sound like the bag had after all the abuse I give you see this is the advantage. I have is he won't do it. He just won't even give him abusive. I have I have gotten way more people to donate to your ministry Tim, what you paid for that book. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I guess that you like that. I mean, I did we had you when you were at our church, we had a an auction for one of your books, and to go to the ministry, by the way, not history. A wanted to have some way to return to you a token of appreciation. And so Jim Osmond, our pastor. He started to bid. I don't know what it was start at five bucks or something like that. And a couple of raise their hand and you went up ten hour, as my hands like fifteen raise my hand again, then I just started out bidding myself. I have it myself because I wanted to wanted to return favors. I don't even know how every time he eat throughout the number. I just got raised. It was like, the, the best part of it was when you did that the first time and it dawned on him what's about to happen. And he realized just getting you back. We just we looked at each other looked at you. And finally, he's just like just in one. You just save us time. How high do you go? Go instead of you bidding yourself. Like he's just like anyone else. Get a bid above this. No. So just how much you can get. Yeah. I think quitting somewhere around hundred forty bucks. Got your book. Yeah. You got you got it. And for for that much. I definitely signed. I should've signed it hashtag Andrew. I win. Oh, that would have been good. What about? Yeah. Yeah. And the reason you're saying that is because when Jason Lisle was there, there was no auction for Jason's book. And I was starting to think maybe there was some Hanky panky going on with you, too. But no. Now, I believe that he had no knowledge of what you were going to do. That's different denomination, the Hanky panky. Oh, no. Did I say no? Jason Jason law came out to Putin in you're with us. Andrew, I'd have never met, even well I take that back amid fear very briefly about a year ago, just for like literally two minutes, but got spend a little time with it. Kourtney here last month or whatever it was go. And what a nice guy, what I really, really nice guy humble guy, really liked up allow he's, he's a good guy. Yeah. He is very, very down to earth. Yeah. Yes. No, no pun intended for astrophysicists that really wasn't meant to be, as I said, I'm like ee. Whoops. Yeah. So let me, let me say this is well, Jason manning in chat. Justin is saying that James white on the dividing line. At dressed, the professors letter to Justin Peters, about the open letter to Beth more. So that'll be something. I'll have to listen to haven't heard that yet. So. Yeah. I actually did listen to earlier today in, in James it gets out with. I'm very glad that he addressed this in. We, we need we need to decision needs to get. It's gotten a lot of traction needs to have more. I wish some, some big news news sites would pick it up on me like drudge or anything. But, you know, like I dunno Christian poster Baptist press or whatever's out there goes a. I think this has a potential of, of offering a lot of clarification one way or the other. So but I really appreciate James talking about. Well, I was ready hadn't done it, yet and actually do it right now. I actually know who is the, the man behind Christian news network. And so I'm gonna send that to him and see if they'll do something with that because they should. So I'll get get that out to to him. If he hasn't seen it. But there's, there's let me, let me refresh this page and see. I mean, there's almost as of now three shy of two hundred signatures of ladies and these are just ladies that are on. It's Michelle, Leslie dot com. And if you go down to the post for June nineteenth, is an open letter Beth mortgage. Just search open letter to Beth more. You'll find excuse me Michelle, Leslie, and, and you can sign on there. So and I agree with what Jason saying. It does need to be up on the drudge report. I agree with you. We, we should get it up there. Any, anyone know Matt drudge? If anyone out there, happens to know Matt drudge, you know, please feel free to send that over to him. I think that's actually what it would take it would take. Like national news to pick it up for the SBC to go. Ohno ono. This is a problem, we actually have to address and we might need to deal with Beth more like. Until the national news, gives them a black. I don't know that anything else is going to get them to respond. Yeah. I think that this is probably too afraid to touch it. I, I don't know probably Christian post to wish they would was this, this has the potential being earthshaking in the event Jellicoe world. And you know, hold on. Let me play this the southern Baptist they, they actually did answer, her open letter. No. That's just crickets. I'm sorry. Sorry about that. I thought there was actually an answer. No, there was no answer. All right. So with. So just thanks for coming on. You get you gave some clarity to the issue of women as pastors the issue with Beth Moore in this open letter, which is I agree with you. It's very important. And I do think that it does need to be answered. I don't think she will unfortunately but and then, you know, some of the stuff with word of faith in a are you are the expert in that area. So we appreciate that anything's anything you're working on any trips. You're going on anytime soon. Anything you want to share with us about what's going on? Justin Peters ministries. Well, the podcast is county getting Donald stages of getting my intro out tro. Working, so that, that is coming up a head a supposed to be in Brazil next month of, but I'm gonna have to I've got some surgery coming up and you have to have some got some bad disks in my in my neck. So we'll have to. Probably surgery in about three weeks or so, something like that. Take time off, but load willingness should be backup and Adam in relatively short order. So von got pretty busy fall schedule coming up and speaking the truth matters conference, I think they still have some openings for that that'd be great for people to come out for that looking forward to that, so. Yeah. Podcast and surgery. Will this little that, but do have some projects in the works? I'm gonna write a mini book on the spiritual death of Jesus, which that's a whole other. We all make it as that, but this whole other issue, so anyway. Well, that's good. That's good stuff. And so the first podcast is. Is what win the day? I don't know. It's should be it should be honestly. I'm hoping it should be within let's say. Let's say. Let's say a week it should be coming up within a week or so. All right. And, and you and I need to, to work on getting young more than just I tunes. But Chris since you're on I, I don't know if you've seen in the chat, but you're faithful probably I'm gonna guess you'll correct me if you think I'm wrong. But probably when you're most faithful listeners, KT, she says Christopher should have Andrew on as a guest or just an or both. So just a thought I just an on. I'll be glad to come on. Definitely we should set that up. You should have them have him on. So anything going on with voice, a reason radio you share. Nothing, you know, earth shattering nothing that we're, we're, you know, we don't have nearly the busy schedule that Justin has. We're just trying to be a bit more as we said earlier trying to be a bit more consistent and trying to. Get more programs out and be more diligent to interact with the folks listen to the program. So we've been very grateful that we, by the way. Yeah, I think we did pick up at least a dozen listeners, thanks to you, like hawking might my show all around shepherd's conference. So thank you for that. By the way, only as dozen. Well, remember we started out three years ago. We were thrilled to see double digits a week. Now. We see somewhere anywhere for about seventy five in a week in that first week when show up. So we're absolutely thrilled. And we did see a little bit of a bump come up from that from shepherd's conference. So thank you for the, the free advertisement. It was fantastic. I got to work harder at this. I'm not happy. I wanted to see these two hundred. Okay. Truth matters has coming up. Maybe I'll get a banner. Listen to voice of reason radio. Don't do that will throw you off the campus. But no, we're so we're just gonna continue to try to do that. And try to be more faithful to listeners we've this week. Like I said, we actually recorded early so that we would have something to drop tomorrow because I mean, I've been in training all weekend next week for my for my rear field. So as we continue to do that. And as we as God makes more opportunity for us to be getting more information and more involvement were hoping to I'm hoping actually sit down and start writing again. I got like complete writer's. Block at one point just afraid of the keyboard is hoping to get back into that, and start putting more content on our website as well. All right. And your website is slave to the king dot com. All right. So folksy praying for Justin as you heard about the surgery, you know, he, he was in the Philippines with pain, not complaining at all. And. This kind of guy he is. So so, please seriously. Donate over there to him. I know bunch folks were giving super chats in here that goes the car, but go and donate to Justin. Right. If you can, I would, we would all really appreciate that. And so that would be great. So in closing let you know this is part of a ministry striving for turn it. If you want, check out some of the stuff we have you could go to striving for turn it out or g we are part of the Christian podcast community, and you can go to Christian podcast community dot ORG CR growing list of podcasts. I think we're up to like ten or twelve or we've kind of put everyone on hold for a little while because we've had way too many coming into quickly. And we we actually had to put him on hold until I'll be headed to California in a week. Be out there doing some work with living waters and needing some teams doing some vandalism and so. Then we'll be down in San Diego area for for a week. And then when we get back, we're going to start ramping that up. We have I think three or four podcasts that are in different stages of being added to the community. So we have we have a number of new ones. I, I should I should, you know, right now, think as I think about this, I should list off some of the ones that we have. So we have Andrew reports rap report. I wonder who does that one. Yeah. We have Andrew reports daily wrap report and that is a two minute Monday through Friday. So the other one, the first one is a longer one where this week for those who are watching this live. I will have shell Leslie on who've been talking about that open letter. She's senile talk about that. My daily, we're going. We're go through series of encouragement trying to encourage people with encouragement did a K with Justin Peters. There's, there's one episode out there, right now, letting you know, it's coming soon. We have been waiting anxiously theology gals couple reformed gals who talk a lot of different issues. They're targeted toward ladies, but a lot of good content on their politics live, that's this show. So you wanna be a podcast or that is well kind of the name says for podcasters good one to listen to if you are a podcast we have five SOLAS podcast. Their host was, in here earlier, James, walk ins five Sola wonder if there were formed. Hard to tell. What are we even doing here with Darrell and Karen Updike? They are folks here in New Jersey, and they just sit around their kitchen table, quite literally and talk about different issues. We've recently added the way radio, Chad print Mawr, if you're familiar, Chad, he's got a very different way of dealing with addiction. He's got an addiction ministry. He's a pastor and his way of dealing with addiction. Is they go through the Helberg catechism? That's right. He actually thinks the bible has the answer to addiction crazy idea. The newest one that we have is every minute every day ministry podcast with James white, no, no, no sorry. The other James white not Dr James white, this is the non Dr James white, but it a good show some guys that are in ministry sit around talk about different issues with ministry, we have to affiliates the Phillies mean that they don't host with us. But they. Still get some of the benefits of, of being in the community and they offer some of, of that. And that is the blue stocking Baptists off. Those of you who say with the algae gals, I like reform, I like talking theology is a gal, but I'm not Presbyterian, while this is the Baptist version. So you got that they got a great series on Mormonism, by the way that they did. And then for, for someone like Chris, Han holes this'll be a special. And if he hasn't been listening to this. And Chris O make fun of me because this is clearly not a show for me. Are you just watching with e Franklin and Tim Martin? They do a monthly show where every month, they will review from a Christian perspective some movie, I think they most recent one, they did was what's the genie one Aladdin so they just did that one. They did marvel endgame, which I actually saw I saw posted on there that I watched marvel endgame, and, and OB, appreciate to know that e Franklin said, basically, same thing that you said, basically, the same thing that everybody said that if I was going to try to understand marvel endgame, I was twenty movies too late because that was like the end game. And I didn't attend any of the plot because it was all laid out in twenty other movies that I didn't watch. So but now I don't have to watch. I can just. Go to are you just watching and learn about the movies, so that I can talk as if I know something about them? All right. So thanks guys for coming on checkout all those podcasts. Appreciate them. Check out voice reason radio as well. They're not part of the community yet. Hey, just saying just throwing it out there. You know. You know. Like I don't promote you enough. All right. Thanks guys. Thanks, everyone for listening. I hope this was informative to you. 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What God Did in Uganda, Part 5

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What God Did in Uganda, Part 5

"The word of truth so we can worship God in spirit and truth deepening our knowledge of God thereby enabling us to deepen our love welcome to did a game where we are studying to show ourselves approved rightly contact at Justin Peters Dot Mike in his wife Carrie and their brood of youngins live in Sand Springs Oklahoma just outside of Tulsa and Mike Change there was no help wasn't helping it was just you know just an event and so they were pretty shocked prosperity approach and if it's not prosperity it's secret friendly it's you know dealing with emotional you and yours doing well and I want to thank you for joining me I'm joined again today by my friend and board member Mike Miller in preach preach and teach on these trips in the I wanted to just spend some time letting you hear from him and me as well talking about he said that there were a number of pastors who came to this particular venue from all around the area and and they were stunned that out the trip that we made four years ago to Ugandan which we saw God graciously just move in some very unique very strong very very dry matic ways in the in the lives of a number of people chief among them I suppose pastor bill in Uganda Mike One of the things that that we we didn't preach a gospel based on wealth or the Gospel we didn't preach about felt needs but instead it was if he's a sixty s and so and they have American pictures on television and that's that's what they know of American Christians and that they know is the you were Americans right they just could not believe we were why were they so surprised we are Americans have been going goose there was a that was one of our larger venues to preach in pastor bill told US afterwards it's a good good friend of mine dear brother and he and I've been on a number of Mission trips I would I guess I could safely say real mission trips because we actually it struck us we were was it Kabuki village I think just to Bukidnon whatever they could good times seminary were macaroni university was founded by you know a prominent prosperity preacher from America Back Amazing Africa for a long time to done for a long time if you remember out that the one seminary that's they're good issues dealing with your life issues dealing with your you know how to improve the conditions of your physical life and they see it as very very superficial among the African drifting off a little bit there okay my phone okay four and they'd have a revival people get excited he they would do their accountability people will come and then there would be no lasting lasting his affinity with these American preachers and they'll have to persuade them that we were different so there's a reputation overseas even Philippines unfortunate expert from from our shores I remember when we first got the pastors that are that are grounded in again the word but they were they were not real thrilled when they heard that Americans are coming to their village on the surrounding village passes over there they were not real thrilled but these Americans coming because I thought that's what they were gonNA break because it before commissioners in there before experience with a pastor into ginger if you remember I mentioned before we get we went to Jinja with its insured evangelism we were Americans in testimony for a lot of the churches here in America that are biblical that along the quote Unquote Christianity that the United States has exported to the rest of the world is Chile has exported a lot most foreign countries and not just Africa but we hear that from inference Mars and Pakistan and India Orphanage and of stuff which is it's all well and good but that's not that's my Christian work per se in got to that our first night there we were staying that little hotel I suppose you could say yes yes in wow what a blast the end with her you know with her Gaudy get up and the way you know the way she looked and that was the first thing that came on the screen when they turn that too so interesting there's a there's a sense and we saw this also a little bit in in in maybe an India's well that and if you're if you're bringing over kids and they turned on the TV in that little that little black and white TV that was in the room I remember the very as that little TV warmed up in the in the in the bill the bill didn't really know but he was in yourself as a Christian pastor and he was he was somewhat taken aback by you're an American to preach that you don't want to collaborate with other Christians with that because it's all about you know isn't a lot of alternative for these foreign believers they don't they don't see the alternative though one day you have a solid part of the world but not a lot of Americans to that you know American Christians are sorta of that ilk in something that the church that professing church base there's not that kind of sectarian sort of divide amongst genuine believers and it wasn't with bill he was not concerned about losing him you know more profound talked about you know we talked about false teaching we talked about solar scripture and things like that but he also got into the seminar talked about those things there is do show up a lot of times they don't even preaching all preaching water wells it's you know make beds you know everything that we were going to say those quite the contrary and I think that's that was actually refreshing thing I think in a way disagreement on you know people were persuaded on but it's not as though you know we showed up and everybody was you know in agreement right right indeed indeed well so recently as of this recording recently pastor bill had an opportunity awesome gardens they know there's no gardener the the kids came up to our room bills has happened and when some talking with some other Christians you know when they've gone over there they'll have you know the go to church I couldn't I couldn't make it yeah yeah little monitor issue but Mike tell us about tell us about your time with Bill Lebron the Gospel wherever town they go into and you see in Paul's letters I mean he he mentioned as many of them by name as he can within that limited you to come stateside right came to the United States and I was really hoping to seem came to the shepherds conference and you're there orphanage maybe the pastor the biblical preach once or twice Availa Sunday morning but does not any confrontation over any kind of you were there in California in area now I was I had planned on coming and I couldn't wait to do it see bill and and then I had to go off and have some surgery summarily but it's not master's seminary but bill correct me on that I mean they went through a lot of difficulty they they managed to get bill visa. I don't know how they did mm-hmm so he was surprised by that and they were also surprised Bill Bill would share his MAZURKAS Christian missionary show up and do some things preach and things and then the next day you have you know a false teachers they just get one after the other after the other after the other of this teaching mission a tragedy I mean it it it truly is and and these preachers were just stunned that we were Americans when we came and taught we taught and they could not believe in the states here a few months ago absolutely and you know the whole situation was really a miracle that it even happened because we had tried several times to get Villa v patronage saying it's all you know own hands income by see that in Africa was conflict you know there was in terms of the churches calling and that's the easiest way to do that was engines to these other cushions and he told them that I don't my friends you know these are fellow believers I don't own these people awesome so bill decided that he would he should go and this this group match exactly I think they're affiliated with me it was like a a member of the family you know and then what was also really interesting there is that he had a person passer even even warned him that he shouldn't share his Missouri's passing today was still his Missoula's away how did they because take the very the very first thing that I saw on that screen was Jan Crouch the then Co President of tea patronage you know and I don't think that way genuine Christie's don't think that way Judy Chris went to collaborate with the Christians it helps in Africa people from different parts of the world to come into representative at the shepherd towns also have involved in that on Ethiopian Airlines to come to Los Angeles and the cheapest ticket got in their last day and a half early in the show but lax you know basically every picked him up at lax let me get Japanese tourists but no injuries that's another story I won't tell him and we took bill you know just they didn't come with me to Africa's so the need to this person who's been you know pretty important person in our lives and So we did when he told me he was coming and we'll pack family up we'll go we'll pick him up at the airport we'll drive them Oklahoma to California traumatic asks Dr. Conference that he'd he'd never really met he just talked to a couple of times on the Internet and I'd never met him so we dropped her off drove out there who've been in an RV which we've never done that before that's that's an invention and so I can only the company United States and we could not get it secure I mentioned that a few the programs ago and so they'll have an opportunity with other pastors that Master seminary the up and who knows what not Christianity is number many Christian churches in Madagascar and the big white American and we're like best friends I talked to a miracle because not easy to get and bill scraped the phone together to buy the cheapest ticket because anti-missile conferences and then you know the the people are cry they don't know me really meant Paul Washer one time and it's always so amazing the instant fellowship instant affinity there and here's here's a guy from Africa who opened his lum here's a guy from Madagascar uncommon it was really neat bill spend that week in most of the next week there with the master's seminary on Washer deal with false brethren somebody comes to support them and they get you know they have issues and for them to have a person that there's never time they ask bill about how he you know how they came to to know even how got it brought him out of the pentecostal movement and you've spent some fellowship with him took them took them to amount of the season nature the beach near the just spend some time with him good for him to meet those guys and then to be encouraged because you know oftentimes emission organization. Leichhardt cry they also have a couple of days at this little apartment and me and the guy from Madagascar Bill looks like best friends have you been best friends for centuries you know there was the tiny of it we couldn't go to the conferences we are only able to get their spend a couple of days pick a bill from the airport and they had to head back of what Jesus said you know he said behold pointing to his disciples behold my mother and brothers and sisters you know these are the in other words this this is my family and we'll pick him up at the airport and we'll have a couple of days with him you know to me and my family had never met no one person you've never been to the United States absolutely nothing in common culturally or or anything and yet you meet in his there's an instant bond there there's at instant kindreds can bring together and you can see their picture of the unity that's in crisis there is no Jew or gentile there's no true Jose Conference there and he listened to that pershing and the fruitful for bill get to meet PLO yes good apparently spirit instant fellowship and it's like you're with family and in midst because we are we are with family bill you know reminded with like minded believers there's an instant bond instant kindred spirit and you just it's just it's something that can only there's no other explanation for it other than the working of God's Holy Spirit that is the only explanation again it doesn't happen because you know you this is my that we have we have family all over the world and and I've experienced this again it's just amazing how you know people from such different circumstances in backgrounds God is genuine and faithful is very refreshing. Sierra fashion for them I'm sure I can't even talk but we're we're still close friends but still collaborate with him in the Gospel it doesn't matter with language barrier Kurt in the Philippines they have that reunion you know at some point next year when he comes back if it's the Lord's will it's too in every everywhere I've gone whether it's to Uganda or Philippines or Ecuador India you know just Europe wherever it's when you're properly contextualized the gospel to local culture which you know there's a place for that but that's not why it happens because Jitney Pastor Jimmy in the Philippines we'll have brief period of time only only the Holy Spirit can do something like that only God can bring people together like that that should have very little doc I don't guess I knew that our members sitting out there waiting and thinking what in the world has taken him so long Uh this sort of Christian Nassar Christian there's just really Christian whereas those that are gathered him what a lifesaver Kurt was you know we would never have found anything and for your free purpose of your listeners. Kurt was a young man who armie express that so he finally got to come to America and it turns out that nine marks having conference next year and he may come to that Mason that one so take solent that's not gonNa be you're not talking about the T. Four G. Conference are you I'm not sure conference in Washington DC except for the speed bumps but the traffic is horrific and there are no road signs you know and so for us it was a complete mystery improv initially became our local guide to help us get from when the end of the Philippines the other getting lost they don't believe in road names there long I mean I didn't think it was that complicated but yeah you're in there for oh my goodness you're in there forever so avenue and then he gets another job interview awesome job but for him to take that Johnny can't help us and so turns the job down so he can help us we thirty dollars and you know nobody there to greet him in this life I've got what have worked out a solution but they weren't gonNA solution in that town we're faith he always tells me about this guy named Mike you know who he is the task watch never met they were kind of hoping I think we do and it turns out they don't rent cars really they just may never rented a car there what they do they rent a driver you know the different places in preach yeah it was amazing of course take care of him he got a job eventually that IBM or something of of Kurt Warner precious precious brother he was India's and and I you know I I wouldn't trade any faithfulness you know yeah yeah man I tell you yeah you just you saying that just brings back those those memories thing in the world for the for the things that I've experienced overseas with with like minded brothers and sisters different parts of the in it is it's the like we're spying medium and that wasn't there I kind of regret that should have been it was Emma doctrine in what scripture teaches but it is it is a neat thing to see that doctrine the power of God's word from every tongue tribe nation gathered together with unified hearts worshiping the lamb and all these other You know these Sir yeah indeed and just what you're talking about meeting a brother from Africa and you really have take superficial differences just won't matter anything 'cause we're we'll all be I'll be gathered together as family worshiping Arcane so the Church and Christians need to focus on just the simple message of the Gospel and there's time for for additional instruction in here to pick up a car we rent cars question and then turns to the guy next dresses do we went to call next year he maybe that and we may go back to knows that I mean that that's what strikes me you know he goes there he preaches nobody listens to him he doesn't see anything happening he doesn't they couldn't that's why it took so long when he picked the car they were trying to figure out how to do it. I'm a little you know I think is as good idea I go to the Avis and fill in the Philippines Amos this degree and it is a power of the Gospel Mike I tell you every every trip I go on I'm just not that need convincing of it because I believe at the logically cahen up north and they went to the village lame fairly can speak English you can writing pretty well we we barely have a conversation you know he he's been looking for a job with her job he finally gets a job interview and they required him to work on Sunday refused to do you lost sure the Gospel you pull those teeth yeah absolutely absolutely just like you said a minute ago it is it's a little it's a little foretaste just a little little peek little little foretaste of what heaven will be like when we're people and the the we we get in the car and you know for the purpose of ulysses totally lost all the time the roads are very nice in the Philippines and Your friends this this is what we do and we appreciate your prayers as as we go about and and do the Lord's work in this capacity uh you go over to those places it's not you know about digging water wells and pulling teeth and having something to do or even feeding orphans there's a place for needs and all that other companies itself out but you imagine if you know just to seek you know hypothetically bills to Kampala and that evangelist instead of teaching heard the sufficiency of scripture a really neat and encouraging thing to see it play out right in front of you right before you there's a place for that additional instruction that needs to happen in the we'd have to refine our theology and understand some of those concepts but you know it's not Mike Thank you very much for joining me brother appreciate you appreciate your friendship procedure The you're the church that you're pastoring your work there that that's what these these spoken about friends family relatives strangers whatever focus on that and if they go overseas and their appointees the Detroit of Japan from what I've read in I'm curious to see how things work out a lot of these churches are populated with Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah I remember when we got there and you you had planned on renting a car and you're going to drive around I can remember thinking in the Gospel in the word of God and Mike just a couple of like literally about ten seconds for next year we think we're going to Japan together is that right four God yours your host Justin Peters welcome to the Program Ladies and gentlemen I hope that this fine spirit be with you all thank you for listening to did we hope that you were encouraged and edify by what just her in the Gospel at Maccari University all his years ago what if he just gone into self help tithing or something right Oh lord wills that's the plan we'll see how it turns out there's a church in Asaka and the teachers Nagoya and the going on that but talk about the most important thing I talk about salvation I requested I and the other will work themselves out and we trust that you will be doing God's work in whatever capacity that he has seen fit to put a UN and give to you just be confident that the power is maybe months and it got worked at and same thing this module in India I would encourage listeners wherever God hasn't played all right Mike thank you brother and dear ones thank you for listening until our next time together may the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ the love of God and the fellowship of his holy if you have a question or comment Justin retreated and more teaching resources would like to have him come preach at your church conference I just indigenous Japanese people but also foreigners who work in Japan so I'm going to have a multicultural multi theological audience could deal and where we're at and then got senator skirt this young man what was was eight about-turn courtesy just a very smart man computer programmer very young India appropriate venue got with with bill you know I he hears the Gospel Conversion and then then God refines the and then later got the issues it's physical ever know anything about bills conversion you know it's not bill went up to him and said yes. I I've heard the gospel from the amount converted the crisis in the weeks afterwards for bills converted.

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The Danger of the NAR with Justin Peters

"Storrow in the five. Solas podcast. James. Watkins is also here in. You know his voice a little bit more on this podcast and do mine. Even though I've been a guest on the show a few times but this is my first attempt at the intro. And he said. Do you want to do the intro? And I said what do I say because I only know the intro to the show I do with Karen so off to get a little sharper at this. But we're here live at the G. Three conference in Georgia. We are here with a great brother in Christ someone that we have all grown to respect tremendously Here with Justin Peters and Justin. Thank you so much for being us. Thanks James My pleasure. Thank you brother. I know you really get bombarded at these conferences. I it's a pleasure for you to To take a little bit of time to speak with us I do think that the this is obviously a topic that you are very familiar with I Really WanNa talk to you about the new apostolic reformation. The Charismatic Movement Something that I'll wait to do on the podcast. Is We do for some reason. This podcast attracts a lot of people who aren't as mature in their faith as a lot of other people. Some people who are just hearing about some of these things for the first time so. I usually like to break things down to a level where they're able to we talk about New Apostolic Reformation. We talk about and some people. Just don't know what it is So it is a pleasure of mine to be able to have you on one of the leaders in the world in the knowledge of this particular movement. I've talked about a little bit because like I said shelby and come out of that. Movement's Yeah But just for those that are listening the New Apostolic Reformation Eeyore. Whenever we talk about that what exactly. Yeah is that movement. What do we mean by? Npr right well. The term itself was first coined by C Peter Wagner and he began what is now known as the reformation or people referred to it as at The belief that there are modern day apostles. They will say that God has restored the Office of the Apostle to the church. The Apostolic Offices is now you know up in up and running again. Apparently after about a almost a two thousand year hiatus somehow But yeah there's modern day apostles. Now this is a very very very closely related movement to the word of faith movement to health and Wealth Prosperity Gospel in a are. Is Everything that the word of faith movement is even worse. It has even more emphasis own. Miracles signs and wonders Modern Day Apostles Some of the big names in the word Emmy Excuse me the Reformation Movement would-be Bill Johnson out at Bethel. Church and I say should put that in quotation marks. Because it's not a real church but Bill Johnson Chris Balaton BEFFA music. All that stuff Heidi Baker Todd Bentley would be part of that even though he's kind of fallen out of favor. I guess he got so when you get too extreme for the NFL you know you're really out there but Yeah they but they teach like were to fate that it has always God's will to be healed physically healed. You should never be sick or you. Can you can be if you do get sick. You can be healed as long as you have enough faith and they contrary to what a lot of people think they actually do teach prosperity a lot of people. Don't normally associate the kind of Ben Han Kenneth Copeland prosperity teaching within a are but they absolutely do teach that. Yeah we were actually What we were involved them was in a or and they also taught the prosperity. It's very familiar to me. The language that they use them as is very much a form of complete and total spiritual abuse Very damaging To those that are coming out of you know. She's like man. I've been wide to this entire time in a lot of anger as a result of that. Oh yeah now I know you do many conferences I know you've spoken G. Three before. As far as I q and a sessions breakout sessions and you do seminars. Such as clouds without water You've devoted your entire life to this aspect of ministry now. What what are some of the the biggest heart hills that you have had hold to you From those who are coming out of this because Har Har Tails you said. Yeah Yeah just the most extreme cases that you have heard Oh my goodness yeah A few years ago I was preaching a little church in South Dakota and there was a a younger couple in the church and he the husband died of remember what the illness was but he contracted some progressive disease and died while his wife was heavily into in a are and as was her family members so when he died his wife and her side of the family would not allow her husband to be buried because they were convinced that he was going to raise the debt in fact they were saying as he was declining in health. Oh He's GonNa recovery is going to be healed is GonNa well then. He died But even after he died they wouldn't let him be buried his parents were clear thinking believers and you know they're they're grief-stricken macos are Saunas Dodd. They WANNA have a funeral for their son but his wife and her side of the family that no he's going to be raised from the dead and they literally of his body was just kind of in limbo therefore from what. I understand about three weeks. Oh wow before they ever buried something. Similar just happened at Bethel with a young young girl. Yeah Yeah I'm serve people listening probably heard about all of highly doll. I think is how you pronounce her last name but Yeah little all of little two year. Old Girl died suddenly at Her mother Kelly is one of the lead singers at Bethel music and so when this little girl died they can store in South Dakota. They would not take death as the final answer and they believe that she was going to be raised and You can look at videos of some of the services that they did their rallies for for this girl lack better word rally I guess and it was not even a matter of them praying that God would raise her from the dead and it wasn't even them commanding God to race from that they were. They actually took it a step further. They were commanding olive to be raised from the dead. They you can see this. I've got video of it there. Everybody in Bethel it's huge Congregation they're all channing. Olive come out of that grave. Come out of that grave. In Jesus name they put it to music and they got instruments going and you see these hundreds of people in their singing this over and over and over olive just like Jesus. Said Lazarus Lazarus. Come out of that great. They're chanting and singing olive. Come out of that great that. That is absolutely heartbreaking. Oh it is. It is You know let me say I don't want this to come across harsh at all. Your heart obviously breaks for the parents of Little Olive. I mean losing a child especially one so young. It's the hardest thing apparent. Could ever go through in. Your heart does go out to them. But you know they they are. They are part of this moves. Actually what they're owning. This is their theology and you know sowing and reaping is a biblical truth. Like they take it not like the prosperity preachers. But they have been sewing bad theological seed and they're reaping the harvest of it now in all in a very unfortunate very unfortunate way but the you know bad theology has consequences and And Bill Johnson and his wife Benny they. These are wolves. These are not pastors. And never mind the whole female passer issue but these are not these are not pastors. Either NOT SEPARATES. These are wolves. Yeah so I mean it. Really uncovers a very major issue One that that even even within the Evangelical Camp by Little Old Baptist Church in in Nebraska even Is All of this really stemmed from the insufficiency of scripture right? Absolutely because you had these people who are basing this is if you know we're trusting in God we're trusting God but they're not taking what he is revealed to us as the truth is just not sufficient. How do we as believers within the church? How do we combat this? How do we combat this this? I think it's the most dangerous thing within the church is is the belief that the insufficiency of scripture yes just not sufficient how do we at that is believers james only way to combat it is through is doing what what tightest one nine says to do? We are to teach sound doctrine and refute those contradict And you've gotTa have both. It's not an either or it's both. Andy teach sound doctrine. And you refute those who contradicted and So we we have got to be doing that. We've got to be teaching her to our house. It's not just for pastors is. Yeah no yeah. It's not just for pastors At all of this is a vitally important. Part of the life of every believer. We've got to study to show ourselves approved on God rightly dividing the word of truth. You can take the Bible and they do. I mean they have the same Bible we do. Yeah I got the same Bible week out but they take verses of scripture out of their context in twist them to to say something that they don't say This we need to be teaching our people. Herman Knicks how to rightly. Divide the word of truth the importance of doctrine the importance of the Olivetti and when we have biblically informed people in our churches. And they're not going to be nearly as susceptible to this strange doctrine. That's coming from these wolves it's interesting. We're we're here at a conference about worship and I think it was voting baucom. Yesterday he was talking about Feelings as opposed to digging into the word of God to see to inform our worship. And that's what I noticed as a former worship leader A lot of the songs that are written today especially by these ministries Bethel and elevations and all these other ministries that come from the word faith. It's very feeling motive repetitive. And there's no. It's not grounded in the truth of scripture. Yes they might reference scripture here or there but it's not grounded in the truth and I see a lot of people getting all emotionally worked up but it ends an emptiness. It's not. They're not filling their heads with knowledge of God to know how to worship God properly dried. That's absolutely right deal There is a palpable disdain for doctrine theology amongst a lot of non charismatic churches. But especially in the in a are they view the intellect as the enemy basically. And you're exactly right there everything from there the preaching and especially to the music the music is is absolutely centered on the emotion. It is I I've watched videos of Bethel services and they can have one song one song that lasts thirty minutes forty five minutes. Fishes for repetition repetition atmosphere set in such a way to generate these emotional responses right And that kind of brains up question here. We talk about Bethel we talk about Hill Song All of these heretical wolves and the music that they have on the I believe it's Hill Bethel I believe or both mainly funded by the music that they produce. So yes it you know you see Churches Baptist churches who will have soames playing and it is from these. You have so many people who defended. Well Come found that Every blessed come fount of every blessing. It's written by heretic but we sing it in churches. Is it okay forced to? I mean we don't give them credit or is it okay to have those phones playing within the confines of the other church the fantastic question James. Freund thing yeah. It is true that some of the hymns were written by people with serious theological issues with some of them written by people who later kind of fell away. Process is not many but there's some of them and the argument is just what you said that people make. Oh We sing hymns that are sung about people with serious issues. Or what's wrong with singing Some of these hill songs are Bethel music songs that have good lyric and some of them do not all of them. Some of them are creepy but some of them do have we'll pay pass. A basic God knows smell test. So what's the difference between you know the question origins and singing BEFFA music that even if it comes from bachelor the lyrics are okay. Here's the problem. His problem with the hymns. We're dealing with him. That yeah may may have been written by somebody with with some issues but we're talking about people that have been dead one. Two three hundred four hundred years and there is so much time that has elapsed between the person who wrote it and the songs that we're seeing now. Nobody when we when we sing those songs today. Nobody is thinking in the back that. Oh no about this guy who wrote this. You know it's not a There is current. He's not currently. We don't we don't make that association. That's the last thing I mean. Honestly how many of us even really know the history of these hymns and so it's it's kind of a moot point regarding that it's not the same thing with what we have with. Betham music and song this is contemporary. We are singing songs. That are coming from active false churches active. Dinh's of rules and there is that association with this stuff because the person sitting out in the Pew on Sunday morning looking up at the lyrics and they're reading they're singing the songs you know reading layers and see in the fine print music by Hilson Guzzo by Bethel and Google. There you go you know it must be okay that we're singing their stuff so I'm GonNa go check them out. They use their music as a hook to pull people in to their false theological system. It is their primary means of Their own twisted form of evangelism. That's that's how they fund their operation. It's how they expand their camp their their music is key it it it is. It is a huge huge part of how they continue to do what they do. Here's another point. I told this to Todd friel yesterday now. I'm going to. I'm going to illustrate absurdity by being absurd and K. Now these are false. Churches led by false teachers. Bethel in Hill Song and let's throw in Elevation Church elevation music with that illustrate the absurdity by being absurd if our to say hey. Let's sing this. Let's say for for some reason planned. Parenthood decided that's right some music. Let's write some Christian songs and let's say planned. Parenthood wrote some Christian songs in the lyrics. Work you know they would pass a doctrinal smell test an hour to hand you that the the music for this song that came from plant appeared as A. Here's a great song for us to sing in church. You read it over. That's pretty good. I like that song. Oh by the way it was. It was written by planned parenthood. Would you sing it in your church? No of course. Not Because you'd think I'm not gonna I'm just GONNA promote music. That baby killers rightly so and every time you sing a song the CC ally the what is it the what does he see the licensing. Krista they get a royalty from temperate. Gail licensing thing. Yeah they get a royalty so every time you sing that Song Bethel. There's a little bit of money that goes to those false churches. Would you sing a song knowing that a little bit of money every time you sing that little bit of money is going to go to planned? Parenthood he wouldn't do that and I would submit to you. That Singing Hill Song Music and Bethel is far worse right then that I take a back seat to no one in my pro life stance. I'll take a backseat to no one in that. But if there's anything worse than sending money to planned parenthood it would be sending money to a false church that blasphemes the name of God blasphemes Christ teaches at different Jesus Different Gospel in his leading people to hell while they're murderers and they're on aspect as well as you have a documented cases of these people coming out of these movements and their response uttering hate towards them Just I mean what? I told you this before but whenever we were in the charismatic movement. What made me finally see? Hey it's it's okay to call these guys out for what they are Is whenever you openly rebuked Todd Bentley. So you've brought top. Bentley's name a little bit ago and I think you got a nickname As a result of that theology Batman. Yeah Yeah Yeah Andrews background with a smirk on his face but They really respond with utter hate. So I mean in a way. They're they're murderous as As planned parenthood. Oh Yeah Yeah. Ver- very very unfortunate Now Justin you. You have a lot of good materials for people to be able to understand this material. I have one of them right here. Clouds without water in this volume two is an updated version of volume. One correct What are what are we? Everybody can get it from Justin Peters Dot Org But really what is the content of this? Yeah it's to DVD's and it's about eight hours of teaching but it's my entire seminar. All the videos have video clips of all these false teachers binney hand Kenneth Copeland Jolo Seen Joyce Meyer Bill. Johnson Joseph Prints and I'll let people see and hear for themselves what they're actually teaching. It's not just me saying well. Kenneth Copeland said I play the clips? You see the video clips. You say what they're teaching right out of the Horse's mouth and then point by point. I corrected from scripture. Just go through and correct it from scripture. So it's It's a critique of the word of faith movement New Apostolic Reformation. Yeah and I think that there's one I'm not sure. Let me know about this. 'cause I've been wondering for a while is one of the most hilarious theology videos that I've seen I think it has Victoria hosting and She said Jesus was manned until God touched him an and she says moments and that's encouraging today and then it breaks over to you know that's heretical. Today is that real. A Rosette edited though. It's a real clip. No it's a real that was originally from you or somebody piece that together. No no yeah. That was mine. I found that video Yes he was leading a like communion Lord's supper search and Yes she's quoted her exactly right. Yeah she said that Jesus was just a man until touched him in his career the inside and that's encouraging day radical Larry seen it Shared I shared every year. Pops up in my memories on facebook You you also have other material as well I'm very found of and I grabbed it. as smif aspires for pastoral ministry. This your book do not hinder them made me rethink the baptism of children. I know we got like a mature. Daryl where where we at here? I understand the Paleo position better. I'll say that understand. It better not completely convinced but I understand it. Better just probably now wants to correct et over here. Yeah it's important for us. Understand the position of others. I mean even these. These wolves like the those scenes. The HINZ Copeland's Johnson's. It is important for us to understand what these people are actually believing what they're actually teaching so that we can correctly rebuke these teachings. Yeah and You know I'm I'm very encouraged by what seems to be many people that are starting to come out of these colts and you know you can only attributed to the power of the. Gospel that is brought forth by faithful believers. Yeah Yeah that's right and you know James kind of tagging onto that one of the great the logical ironies in all of this. Is that the people in word of faith new reformation. They would look at people like us sadness and they say oh you don't believe in the Holy Spirit you don't believe in the power of the Holy Spirit to the contrary so faults to the contrary I am so confident in the power of the person of the Holy Spirit of God that I do not believe that someone can be in dwelt by him in. Stay in this kind of deception and even if the Holy Spirit of God is strong enough to save us. He strong enough to deliver out of deception. And so there are some scattered seep in these falls church. Absolutely there are some scattered seat now. There are no mature. Shake zero there there. There are no mature Christians at go. Did these churches none. Because if you're mature in Christ you wouldn't be going to these Turkey slow but there are some immature. Christians are baby Christians but what will happen when they hear the truth when they see the truth from the word of God? Explain to them. They see it. They're gonNA come out and that's GONNA stay there. That's what I've seen in scripture of promise. All these wonderful plans for our lives of you know if we tied just just enough in this ninety day tithing challenge than God is. GonNa pour down the blessings of heaven owner We're going to prosper in all of our ways. But you know what I started reading the book of acts and I Seen Stephen. Getting installed a Peter. Getting crucified upside down. You know I started seeing these saints and I was like us this loosely because none of deserve good in this life I use this very loosely but if any body ever deserved to have complete blessing and prosperity in this life it was those followers of Christ who went out in and proclaimed that Gaza despite their shortcomings if anybody deserves if anybody deserved it. Surely It was the Apostle Paul after his conversion right In his rightfulness and we know how that ended. Yup Yup just just looking at them and then thinking about what I deserve. But I'm being told I deserve the complete opposite very insulting. I believe to the Holy Spirit. Yes indeed absolutely absolutely well Justin. I'M NOT GONNA take up too much more of your time. We're here at the g three conference I want you to be able to enjoy it No both of us are a little bit under. The weather is aimed. We both kind of in gold. Yeah so I'm not gonNA take anymore of your time. Obviously we can't get in it's Austin thing of the AR. This is stuff that you've studied for for years upon years But I do encourage everyone. Justin Peters Dot Org People are there is a ministry that you have ever considered supporting A Faithful Servant of the Lord Faithful to the Gospel fateful to Fatefully helping people that are just completely Called called in this This colt and that's exactly what it is. Colt Movement Support Justin Peter Support his ministry In in help in any way possible the biggest way you can help us proclaim the Gospel Into anybody caught up in a cold. Weather's Roman Catholicism Mormons or somebody in the in a org at the Gospel is still the power of God to salvation and I'm very thankful for that So just thank you so much for being with US tonight. Thanks to the biggest pleasure I've had on. This podcast is having you. Oh Man Soy. It's an honor brother. Keep up good work. Thank you We'll as a gentleman. This is James. Wadsworth fossils podcasts. As always may all that you do be done to the glory of God.

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Episode 274  Justin Peters talks Biblical Worship with Lifesong Radio

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Episode 274 Justin Peters talks Biblical Worship with Lifesong Radio

"You're now tuned in to life song. Radio a weekly podcast dedicated to accurately studying the word of God in a comprehensive and biblical manner. Listen in as host Jimmy Hicks Phil Ramsey Blake Shaneco and Mike Wells dig into the word line by line verse by verse leaving no stone unturned. Grab Your Bible and your notebook and get prepared to study the living breathing. Active word of God. Now here's your host of life Song Radio but I wanNA welcome to live song. Radio come to Ramsay. I'm Mike well and I'm Blake Shankar. We are excited to bring you a special episode of Life Song Radio where we're going to take a break from our study and honestly I think we need a break. After truth we just came out of the theological mountain we climbed in Romans. And I and I think we need to take a little bit of a break and take a breath And today we're We've got a special guest on us and the topic of today's show is worship. League is this is Really a topic that. I know all of us agree on that. We we desperately need to define Davis desperately need to To get in line with what biblical worship is because honestly it's something that When you look at what we see and as biblical worship not just in our area but but all across America what we what we see. I passed off as worship is not true that will go worship and so we got a special guest joining us today. It's Those will be watching this and joining us by video. You've already seen It's a world renowned teacher and author and conference speaker. Justin Peters Justin brother. Thank you so much for joining us this wink. Well it's really good you with your brothers. Presidium imitation very very much. It's an honor to be here though. Like I said you're a you're conference speaker teacher and author but also man I I know Because you know watching your videos and watching your teaching opera for as long as we have. It's so clearly evident from your teaching that You have a deep love for God and a deep lumper his word and I know. That's what fuels you're teaching and so fan just for our listeners. And for the sake of our audience. Can you take just a minute to introduce yourself? Sherve absolutely James Justin Peters and I am originally from Vicksburg Mississippi born in Rear University and then went to Spain area. Fort Worth taxes in almost ten years ago married. A wonderful lady Cathy and she is originally from billings. Montana I'm from Mississippi's Montana. We actually met in California but We we live up in Bozeman Montana now just about two hours. West a billings kind of in the mountains as a column beautifully already. I did live. We live in northern Idaho up until about nine or ten months moved to Bozeman Montana just to be closer to some family so says that's where we reside I have. I do have a ministry fulltime evangelism of people. Think I'm a pastor? Not a have a pastor but I'm not esther I have kind of an accurate preaching teaching ministry at traveled across the United States and internationally quite a bit as well preaching and teaching us word and what I'm most known for is my engagement of the word of faith movement. The health and Wealth Name Claimant Prosperity Gospel the doctrine that says it's always God's will be wealthy always gets will be physically healed and I- exposed this movement for the farce. That it is that this is not what the Gospel is about. So it's not my only interest first. Commitment is to expository preaching in shoes other topics in a deal with Israel. It's kind of known for this cloud soon. Har- that's that's me in a nutshell. I suppose so our goal in in speaking with you today as I mentioned before is to is to discuss biblical worship you know in this country The numbers that are found. There's there's there's roughly four hundred thousand churches in existence in America right now. I would feel safe in saying that. I believe are don't believe that the majority of these churches are biblical in their worship. When I say that I mean a God centered. God focused fashion of worship. And I guess. Let me clarify that. Because I don't mean that I think everybody who attends these? Churches aren't honestly worshiping. The best way they know how. But what I do believe is I believe the majority of the people just don't know any better and have never been taught the true biblical fashion of worship is so these people congregate together and their worship is Manson entered. Its man focused. Because that's all they know they've never been taught they just don't know any better. Let me just give me a clear example. And this happened. Just in the last couple of weeks locally It's a local pastor more more regional than really local here but posted a video. I guess everybody. Who's church being the way it is right now in our country you get the one good thing about it? If there is a good thing that's come out of it. Is You get to see how other churches worship and how other churches because everything is online now and so You get the benefit of seeing that and so having seen this video. This is what this guy said before the worship started. I'm just GonNa read the quote to you. He said here in just a few minutes. We're going to absolutely go for it in faith and yes. I want you to worship because you love God and you want more of an for yourself but also wants you to worship like somebody else's life depended on it because that just might be the case so who is it that you're worshiping for today. Who is it that you're believing we'll have an encounter with God today because your faith field worship right now and so that right there man is just a clear example of what I'm talking about. Man Centered and man focused which leads to the first question saying all that to ask this question. What is biblical worship? It's not that I mean my goodness Nadan God by what he said so he doesn't have the first idea about what worship is or biblical worst when when the Bible talks about worship we are do. We are ascribing in recognizing inherent intrinsic worth and value and when we worship God. We are recognizing that we are. We're a scribe ing net. We are bidding are need to that we are. We are telling God we know who he is. We know what he's done. We know that he is worthy of our adoration. He is worthy of our praise is worthy of our obedience is worthy of US giving our lives holy to him it because he inherently worthy of all of these things we acknowledging that we are ascribing. We are publicly staying. This that God is inherently buys character by nature worthy of our honor of our obedience of a life lived out in a self sacrifice to his glory. That is that is what worship is absolutely not on any level what that guy said that. It is In worship is something as so the vast majority of professing believers has have such a shallow understanding of what worship is they? They think that worship is singing. A song worship is you know singing some little contemporary Christian diddy. I could sing of your love forever over and over and over again and you you throw your head back and closure is a sway and you know in more emotionally engaged. It is the more it engages your emotional. That's that's really worth with with hardly any concern at all for the content for the object of our worship. Galway himself worship is not just singing a song that is part of it provided that that is just one expression of our worship. Thinking is a part of that. It's a small part that but if even at the singing is not if it is not centered around Doctorate Lee Sound lyrics rich theology. It's not really worth I mean. There's tons of things at gager emotions in make the hair on your arms stand up in but that doesn't mean it's worship me. If you WANNA do that you can go go to some secular concert. Get the same experience. It's not worth in. Music is just one part of it. work that does not about us. It's not about our preferences. It's not about what what we like. Or what we think engage most is a bad guy. Odd It is about lifting up it is about ascribing in recognizing his inherent value and one of the one of my pet peeves is that we hear this firm in In Navarre Evangelical Churches. You know we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA start with worship and they were going to the preachy. Yeah no the mizzou account what people call worst. The music is just the vehicle that gets you to the pinnacle of the worship. Which is preaching. The preaching is the worship. When God's word is read in it is expanded upon Raleigh when when the word of truth is rightly divided in in we magnify God through our preaching direct teaching the Public Proxy Proclamation of the Gospel. Who got his that is the pinnacle of the Worship Service? The music just Kinda prepares your heart for that into vehicle to Kinda get you into that mind frame where. I'm ready to hear the word of God taught so you know the worship Minister of the worst pastor. Let's the music gas. Yes just. It's really a unfortunate misunderstanding So many people vast majority of professing believers have just such a basic in terribly shallow understanding of what we're this and I'll take a step. Further worship is not just what happens on Sunday morning in an hour or an hour and a half. It's how you live your life where to live our lives as living sacrifices to the glory of God in how we comport ourselves how we carry ourselves. How we handle trials hell. We obey the word of God win. It's hard to obey the word of God when we obey the word of Godwin. It costs us. Oftentimes cost US dearly in yet. We obey God's word because we know that that's what we're supposed to do and we know that God is worthy of it. That is worse that is that is also a huge component of worship. It's part of living out our lives on a daily basis leading the word of Christ dwell richly within us and we obey what we know and live our lives as as living sacrifices to the glory of God that that is also worshipped. So it's not just an hour hour and a half Sunday morning. Would you say also to add to that just in the worship is not an experience? Right it is. It is not an experience like I mean okay. Let me say this. It can be but not every experience you have is necessarily worship so in. Sometimes people ask that question because a lot of times we hear here now is is. Let's get ready for the worship experience like that being thrown around. Yeah Right. Hey done somebody say. Let's get ready for the worst experience. Will you tell me right off the bat you don't really know? What worship is. Yeah you don't have any out on what it is. Yeah I mean you go to like Bethel church comes to my mind or elevations church in. They have really talented musicians. But it's you listen to what they say it's just. It's it's vapid shallow. It's now they think they're experiencing something in their feelings or engage in. They're probably getting goosebumps. And all this kind of stuff and they they may even cry is water and they think that's worse. No God is spirit must be worshiped in spirit and in truth and so if we're not worshiping him based upon a foundation of Biblical Truth Doctrinal Truth Understanding Him for WHO. He is not who we wanting to be. But who is Those components in place. You may be having some kind of an experience but it's not a worship experience. It's not you know it's it's it's not worships the follow up on that are true worship. I mean we. We had all worshiped. We worship something at all times. It may not be the right thing to worship but are true worship of God is is isn't a permanent attitude doesn't it doesn't start and stop when we come into a building it doesn't start and stop when we have the the music playing you know. A lot of people They they are quite that and that's one thing that we have to. I feel like I'm constantly correcting people and and and people will think I'm I'm probably a humbug on those things but I try to. I want them to understand that That hey we're GONNA WE'RE COMING TO CHURCH TO WORSHIP TODAY. Yes we are but let's not mix and mingle that with. Are you talking about music or the whole should be a worship I? It should be about user experience about messed up. Don't kill me. Gazza should be. It should be is a corporate worship when we come to church. It's US bringing that true worship that we have in our in our self with God. Our our personal worship with him. We're bringing it or our family worship. We're bringing corporately but yet that doesn't just stop when we leave the church doors in fact it it's enhanced by that and in fact it. It's what gears us for the whole week for our permanent attitude toward worship of God throughout the week throughout our whole day throughout our life. Yeah I would say I. I grew up around. That worship. Was that I I mean I wanted that. In the youth yes youth group. I wanted the experience. Because you felt like like you said Justin and and you're getting all excited and One of the things that I used to do is is. I thought well if I didn't have that experience if I didn't get the goosebumps well then God wasn't at that worship service right acid. That's how I thought and then it wasn't until A few years ago whenever radically changed my by how you worship that worship was more than just music because you said it and and that's exactly how I was was Worship was music and then we had the preaching out three or four years ago. That that's me so thank God for Just the ministry like yourself your ministry and others God illuminated me to the truth. Of what worship is and One big truth because our pastor of a local churches small home church and We went to the G. Three conference and and their One of the profound truths that we heard was that This not the worship pastor right the pastor of the church. He's leading in that worship. It he he needs to be the one that everything's flowing through. And he's approving of and so I like that. There's no SS- particular term worship Pastor There's elders of the church and those elders are the ones that should be watching over their flock their sheep and their congregation protecting us. And we're that and what everything stems from. Mike is is from the true of God. It's not something that they create right is not something that we were getting this from a local Music Ministry or something like that. But everything's got to be rooted in the word of God. If it's not rooted in the word of God it cannot be true worship. Is That A. Is that a valid statement absolutely weapon you must be John. Chapter Four Goddess Spirit must be worshiped in spirit and in truth and so if the truth is not there then it's not worship it might be entertainment but it's not worship. Well Okay so off entertainment. Justin I'M GONNA take us to our next question and I'M GONNA use a term that I'm sure you're very familiar with and I know we have talked about this before on the radio but we see a lot of churches today especially in recent years where there's many churches moving in this direction and some even rising to the level of a mega church so seeing growth by the numbers declaring that success because of the type of attendance that they have and they're always blasting conversions and Baptism numbers almost on a weekly basis. Right look at what we did this week and in doing so they start deploying certain tactics and they said these are churches. That we call seeker sensitive Churches and they deploy these tactics necessary to get the unsaved people through their doors as many as I can get as possible so a typical secret sensitive church might look like this. They'll have certain theatrics the state of the art tag. The great lighting music. Entertainment that we've been talking about and typically their messages are a lot shorter than a Bible based Church that because they believe that that bores the unbeliever. So let's keep it down about twenty minutes or so and also to in that. Let's not really a talk about repentance. Hell any type of judgement or San because that just might offend somebody Celeste stay away from that. And so just what would you say are some of the dangers of becoming a secret sensitive charge in really that should be an oxymoron seekers sensitive church because there's only one secret in that has got seeks those who will worship him in spirit in truth But a seeker sensitive search by definition it it caters to lost people. We're going to. We'RE GOING TO MAKE CHURCH FUN WE'RE GOING TO ENTERTAIN PEOPLE. We're GONNA MAKE OUR CHURCH. Look more like the world so we can attract the world into it and we're not going to talk much about seeing we're not gonNA talk much about repentance. 'cause worldly people don't like those things and so but we're GONNA we're GonNa Bring in the rock band we're gonNA bring in the strobe lights in the fog machine and you know have the where the skinny jeans up on stage and do all this make make us convince a world that we're here we're gorgeous like they are aware skin. I said I wear skinny jeans. They were just messing with me about that. Before we get I get justice. We're doing the same. He's got points us to do. Just that whole the whole a effort to to appeal to the the young worldly crowd in Oregon. We're GONNA it's like. It's almost like the the kid on the playground at school that nobody wants on their team. You know and any sitting on this on the sidelines singing. Oh pick me pick me you know. That's really what we've reduced Jesus to like. He's this little kid on the sideline he's like. Oh pick me. I'm cool. I'm cool please. Just give me a shot. I'm cool I can be like you you know. That's basically what the secret sensitive movement does to Christ and to the Gospel ended. It is it's a bait and switch. When you look Jesus and look at I guess if you WANNA find may be counted the prototypical seeker in the New Testament. Go to mark chapter ten. The rich young ruler. Good teacher what must I do to be saved? How did Jesus aren't what? Oh Hey man you know I'm so you know I just I wanna meet your needs and and I know life can be hard and look at here just here. Taika Satan dogs up in. What can I do for you now? That's not what he did he he didn't say. I can make your life better. He said everything you have to give it to the board and then take up your cross and follow me. Jesus was the most seeker unfriendly person ever. I mean He. He confronted people in there said he told them to repent. He told them to take up across. Now when we think of taking up a cross today in today's Day and age we just think of kind of making it through some tough times pulling their selves up. Barb straps Muslim through a tough season or something like that. No win when Jesus said Take Up Cross. Two thousand years ago people knew what he meant because they had seen crosses action they knew what across was across was a place of death across was an instrument of execution. Jesus was I knew must be willing to die for the Gospel if called upon to do so. I mean follow me in die. I mean that that that is the most the the way that secretive churches quote unquote searches tried to do church in. What Christ did the message that he preached? You could not have two more polar opposite extremes. I think a lot of people today when he talked about taking the cross they think. Well I. I do my church on Sunday and I go on Wednesday and I done my my cross bear in this week. You know. That's good that our on Sunday. And so that's how they view that and you're right. It is such a contrasting difference between then an and now about when I asked you though. Because I'll get this a lot too. I would have been one of the ones. That actually was a proponent of his three or four years ago which was well come on now if Satan can use these different texts and theatrics could not God also use these for good. Is it really wrong to have all these elements included in our worship? As long as we're focused on glorifying God will form thing. Satan would pretty much be the last entity that I would want to follow us as a model. Yeah so that that's just a that is a dumb a really a really dumb thing to say but It isn't an inherent diminishing of the power of the Gospel Seeker. Sensitive Church is thing while people aren't really spiritually day. They're just Kinda. They have a spirit book. Cold they have the sniffles. And we just need to bring Amana track them you know. Kinda hopefully though here a little bit of truth law away. They'll they'll pick up some point during their to kind of help. You know oil use a little biblical lingo loosely. And they'll it'll help people have her life. No that that is that is contrary message of the bustle. People are not fiercely. Sit there spiritually dead they are tad on the toad dead. Don't need help. They need resurrection. They don't need a boost for the week. They need heartbeat. Because they're flatlined spiritually in the only thing that can awaken them is. The Gospel is the Pure unfiltered undiluted Gospel. And they are seeker. Sensitive Churches are trying to appeal to fallen human desires. So whether we're talking about the secret sensitive movement or whether we talk about like the Prosperity Gospel stuff were to stuff. They appeal to fallen human desires in out. That's how they draw these big crowds. That's why Joel. Osteen has the largest church in the country because he he combines all of this stuff he secrets sensitivities to faith. He's he's got both of these heretical. Guns a blazing and so he's got the largest country but yeah. All you're doing is putting a bandaid on a gunshot wound. People people need resurrection in the only thing that will resurrect them is. The Gospel is the message that you are a center if you die near sand you'll spend eternity inhale during the wrath of God but Christ has made a way for you to escape his wrath. He lay down his life on the cross. Perfect person gave himself as is perfect. Life is perfect sacrifice to satisfy perfect raft in if you will repent of Sin Turn from San Entrust Christ Christ will save you. You will pass from death to life but then once you're saying you're not promised money you're not promised healing. You're not promised that you're going to have your best life now. You're not promised any of these things. The what we're promised is tribulation. What we're promised is persecution. So I mean think. About how counterintuitive. How polar opposite Jesus message is the biblical message is from the secret sense of churches? Come to us will will be your life coach. Basically you know we'll help you to have better. Relationships will help you have more meaningful family. Live and helping you know. Better career and Blah Blah Blah as opposed to the Gospel says you're dead in trespasses in Sans if you die in your Sandra and the wrath of God forever but Christ offers forgiveness. If he will come to him he will save you. He will forgive you of your sands the wrath of God will be removed. You'll you'll have new life in Christ but that means the Bible does not say some of those who live God in Christ. Jesus may be persecuted says all who live Godly in Christ. Jesus will be persecuted. The that's I think that's why a lot of a lot of secret sensitive churches. Stay away from that message of San repentants judgment because those are the things that the lost world unsafe. They don't WanNa hear that they don't WanNa hear that there's persecution that comes with it. Give me Jesus that gives me the new car and the new job in the fan. The Fancy House. That's what that's the Jesus I want so you're right on point. I think Blake's go head like well. I just wanted to follow up on what Justin was saying. It was in Mike. You're saying Jesus take up your cross if you're GonNa Follow me mistake of your cross But also in Luke Fourteen. He talks about counting the cost before following me. Says a man doesn't build a tower without counting the call stride he says and he says hey you should hate your mother and father you should love me. Hate your mother and father. That's a that's a more of a that's him describing. You should love me more. But there's these calls with following Christ but I would also say this that the reason I think we're seeing this Manzi Pansy just young men playing this part in pasturing if you will. I don't think they're even pastors. I think they're entertainers that they will. And they're standing another on Sunday. Mornings is net of the of the teaching of theological teaching. They're not sweating it out during the week getting in their commentaries getting in the word studies. They're not doing their studies. They're trying to appeal to the math. They're trying to appeal to the world rather than to their sheet rather than teaching Steve Lawson. He says this in his in his Book About The Gospel. Focus of Charles spurgeon was may I beg you carefully to judge every preacher not by his gifts not by his Alexa culinary powers not by his status in society not by the respectability of his congregation? Not by the prettiness of his church and it goes to what you were saying just and but by this does he preach the word of truth. The Gospel of your salvation. And I think that's that's more we've got off. That's where our pastors have gotten off a lot of times these preachers. If you will is is they just give a feel-good message but rather than sticking with the word of God X. Positional preaching. That's exactly right. That's exactly right. And that's that is that that is one of the marks of a true church is a a true church will be led by biblically qualified. Mehan and they will preach sound doctrine. They will refute those who contradict do exposition Do Church discipline when it is necessary sacred sensitive churches. They'd never heard of church discipline much less. Do it practice it per matthew eighteen They are sensitive churches again. These aren't searches there. This is gonNA sound really harsh. They're not churches there goat farms. I would agree unless they are farms. And in now what happens? Is that in some of these churches like? Let's just take Eddie Juniors churches an example gateway is that right is a game Houston. Is that what you to know? Not Houston The DFW area. Yeah Eddie Junior yeah. I've been to church a couple of times before in. It's all about entertainment in its it up. It appeals to the most base measures of what fallen Flash Wallets Amina honestly. Sometimes it's just gross at the things that they do. It's it's worldly to the extreme This this is not a church. This this is a goat farm that they're not fading seat. They're entertaining goats but what will happen is. You'll have a a smattering of a few sheep. In some of these large false churches smattering of view. Seat now they stayed have either not yet heard the call of the shepherd and gone to him in conversion or they're very young Very immature believers but what will happen inevitably and I see it all the time. I get emails almost daily basis from people. They actually do get generally converted in as a Christian does they began to read and study. God's word for themselves. They begin to grow in their understanding a little bit of scripture in his that happens in there truly dwelt by the Holy Spirit. Then they start realizing something's wrong. Something's wrong they may not be able to tell you the difference between you know imputed infused righteousness and use all those illogical terms and and but they know they instinctively know they know because the Holy Spirit is bearing witness to this that something is wrong in. I've got to find truth. Where can I find truth? I get emails from people all the time. Like this. And in when you point them the truth if they're truly regenerate they're just like a sponge they just soak it up in their grateful for so sometimes people ask me. Are there any real Christians in these churches whether we're talking about faith or secret sensitive or a combination of all that are there any real Christians a qualified? Yes but the only ones that you would find would be very young believers who just don't have their theological legs under on yet but they're not gonNA stay at these false churches. We all start off as babies but babies grow up babies. Don't stay babies. They grow up an once. They start to grow then. They realize something's not right in and they start seeking out truth. That's what happens something. I wanted to touch base Justin. That really I know this. Probably Your Bailey Week and you probably wish it wasn't but touch base on the growing Bethel Jesus Culture Hill Song. Elevation worship this this movement in our churches today and in it. It seems popular We see songs like oceans Reckless love actually. In fact I heard a church seeing that this past week forever rains. We have lyrics that like spirit lead new where my trust is without Borders and nothing compares to your embrace we. We see them filling the large screens of not only just a charismatic churches or New Apostolic Reformation Churches but rather hey we've seen in in some reformed churches as well badges churches pentecostal churches methodist churches. there on the screens every Sunday morning and and we see everything from electric guitars. Drums Professional Solis. Too small choirs with nothing more than a keyboard and a few singers singing this and so we see the music. It's it's emotionally captivating. It brings me to tears. Swaying arms up in the air What's so what's not to like about this right. It seems right what what's not liked to like about these guys. Well it's a it's a great question in. It's a question that I answered at a concert at the G. G three conference in got me in a lot of hot water but stand by now down here. Let's establish I that Bethel Hill Song in elevation. Churches ARE NOT Real Churches K. elevation urged hazard by Stephen Verdict. Stephen Verdict unqualified to be preaching scripture. He associates with false teachers endorses. A he'll song is prosperity. Maybe a little prosperity but nonetheless prosperity Charismatic Very Charismatic in Prosperity Gospel Bethel is New Apostolic. Reformation is a step beyond word faith even Bethel has this Mid Theology they believe is kind of sterile a belated. It is their duty to take over. The seven mountains mandate and not take over the various institutions in the world in Christianized them in the naval. The world will become Christian. Dan In all then will Jesus come at or even candy but Bethlehem new have software from mission. Also as the name implies believe that there are modern day apostles and they have this inordinate emphasis even more. So just more your score fight. An an emphasis on Oracle's signs and wonders know the gold showing up in the services and graves poking even though there's some people say they don't really do that way. Yeah they do actually grave looking and I mean bizarre Dr Demonic cul tick kind of stuff so so the Bethel Hill Song in elevation. All these are false churches so let's establish that now they all have music outlets and they write a lot of music at as you were saying like tons and tons of churches even Sala. Churches will sing on in their Sunday morning services. A lot of their music is very bad when you read on the lyrics. It's it's like it's something that you would write to your boyfriend or your girlfriend. It's this hyper emotional. Wrote BORDERLINE ROMANTIC. Kind of stuff creepy. Really honestly some of it but some of their lyrics Allameh. Some of their songs have lyrics. That are okay. They do some of their songs would absolutely pass a basic doctrinal. Smell test. Some of them. Would you could even say the lyrics are actually pretty good. But here's the here's the danger. They use their music as a hook. They use their music as their primary means of expanding own tent. And the way they do it is they they. They write these popular songs that get played on Christian radio stations and there in the churches and so the unsuspecting person sitting there in a on Sunday morning in there looking up at the screen. And there's the lyrics in in the bottom. I think it's left hand corner. Whatever you see in fine print music by. He'll saw music by BETHEL's will does A. Oh Oh he'll saw bethuel they must be okay. We're singing their music so I think I'll check them out. And so they use their music as one of their primary cooks to pull people into their false theology there their calls basically and I have no problem saying that That's what they are. They are theological calls in. They use their music as a primary way to get people into their system. Here's another aspect of it and now this is GonNa take this a little bit explanation but bear with me as I said in an interview G. Three a few months ago talk. He'll take a back seat to no one owned my pro life stance my hatred for abortion human. But if there's anything worse than that when you sing their songs on Sunday morning let's just hey up in allegory agree with the. I've been in some good churches to churches. Were they have sung some of the songs and I when I see it out there just like oh but trump but if a church is doing what it's supposed to do according to the CC L. I. Guidelines Every Time. A church sings one of those songs than if they report it like. They should then they are. They are required to sand in money every they sing one of these songs to the Church that wrote that Song Road in produce that song so if a church is only up up doing what. It's supposed to do every time you sing. Bethel Saul you're sending money to occult if there's anything worse than sending money to planned parenthood. It's sending money to a called. It's sending money to a false church that preaches a fossil. Jesus a false gospel in his leading millions of people to hell by what they teach. If there's if there's anything I would be more opposed to giving one red cent of my money to more so than planned parenthood. It would be Beth or he'll solar array planned. Parenthood is lost. You know their lost people obviously lost people. Do lost people do doesn't doesn't diminish the horror of it lost people. Do it lost people. Do these people. Bethlen you know they. Obviously they claim to be Christians in. They are blaspheming. Christ they are bringing reproach on the Gospel. The preaching a false. Jesus a false gospel in doing so. They are leading the millions upon millions of people all around the world who followed her to hell to go on your point there with planned parenthood laced with them. You know what you're getting up front with these with these people battle in Jesus culture and and he'll saw you don't you know you know it's trickeries what it is well you. You said something to Justin. I think it was g three. Maybe it in that interview and I think we ought to post that interview as well because it's a really good interview with Todd. In fact I helped you up on the stage when you interview. I just had to throw that out there. Yes the ground but but You said this you may the point. But we don't. If planned. Parenthood was to write a song. We wouldn't see it. So why do we sing these occultist songs right even? That's I think that's the deal that we look at Avid. And we've people boy took a lot of heat for saying those things. A lot of people appreciated but a lot of people took it a game a lot of heat but yeah. I mean to as I said the G. Three conferences to illustrate absurdity by being absurd. Let's just say for whatever reason planned parenthood decided? I know how we can bring in some money. Let's let's write some Christian music and let's make sure the lyrics would at least pass. Enough of adoptable will smell tests so that most Christians would sing. It wouldn't think much of it so so. Let's write some Christian music now. Would we take those lyrics? Let's say the lyrics are great? Let's say the best lyric since how great our in we we put. Would you put a song up on the screen in your church on Sunday? Morning with fantastic lyrics if in the fine print. That said music by planned. Parenthood course not. So why would we do it for battle? Why would we would for il-song elevation knowing that this money? You know his copyrighted. The money's been filtered back to the Church to promote a false gospel. Like you said earlier. Some of the music is al-Qaeda's saone but we don't want to support anybody that puts out a false gospel so it's just to be safe. Haven no mature Christians can discern. You know things. A lot of people can't so especially stay away from it. I would say so. There's some people that would come back to that and say well this this and this because of that right and I'm Gonna I'm GonNa leave that for that interview with with Todd and you 'cause you you don't have time to get into that so I think you answer that on that interview but I will say this this question here. A lot of people say well Blake. That's okay. Maybe corporate worship fine. What about my private worship? I would if I can if I'm discerning and I can listen to. That should be listening to that. CanNot be listening to that. What would you say to something like that? Well I guess I'd probably pretty much come back to the same question. A are you comfortable with sending your money to call and be. Let's just say it was planned parenthood. You know putting out that music. Would you listen even fiscal? Would you listen to it in the privacy of your own home knowing that it came from planned parenthood? My guess is you wouldn't yeah not agree. I agree so one last question for you regarding this and this is something that I've had to do because I I do the music in our church and I've had a lovingly rebuked people that listen to that and and there's a way we can do that but how do we gently and lovingly God. Our our youth our young adults or anyone who who may who may be a part of this right that. Listen to this daily. I I know K. Love they pump it out constantly and there's a lot of people listening to Kayla you know. There's there's no really other alternatives. So how do we? How do we lovingly teach our brothers and sisters in Christ and lead them away? Even our pastors are maybe. Maybe I'm using ministers. How do we lead them away gently from this boy? Great Question I would say for one thing. We've we've got to. We've got to educate our folks on these movements are in what they teach you've heard the illustration tried and true Australian. There is some truth in it. I don't deny that but I just say I would say it's incomplete you know. Bank tellers are not ever given counterfeit money. They just know the feel of real money so well that when a counterfeit bill comes across their fingers like That feel right so in other words no the truth so well that anytime a counterfeit comes you immediately. Pick it up and I agree with that but it's not always enough when we're dealing with things like this because Bethlen hills on all these groups. They claim to be one of us. They claim to be evangelical and Paul said in Titus Chapter. One verse nine he says Teach Sound. Trinh end refute those who contradict. It's not an either. It's a both and so yes. We are to teach sound doctrine and refused those who contradict to be able to repeat those who contradicted. We need to know what they're teaching that is contrary to sound doctrine so that we can biblically repeat them. Okay so I think we need to tell folks who these groups are what they teach what they stand for and just from a real world experience. I've had to do this with some people and people say well. Maybe they'll take it harshly. I think a true brother and sister in Christ to who you know where to exhort one another where to rebuke WANNA. That's what we're to do. You Know Paul tells us the the one another to this. This is us being Christians ride. There's sometimes we have to tell people hard things and I think this is a warning or sounding a warning to our brothers and sisters if they are apart of this or if they if it's a movement and they're following this movement we need to warn them so that they don't go astray so that they don't lead Young Sheep Astray right whether the blood on our hands if it will but we need to be just as we need to be. Sound the alarm against these people because we would be doing the same thing against any other heretic. At least I would hope so. So let's do this with the let's do with especially these groups here in anybody else that has to do with the new apostolic reformation that has to do with this secret sensitive movement. That's not preaching the True Gospel that's leading people. Like you said to hail we need to be sounding the warning we can do it in a loving white. We can pull it into a side. We don't have to make a mockery of things we can just say how just want to. I want to let me I turn you into this teaching right here I. I've turned a lot of people your teachings and people have just come up to me and thanked me for that and really in essence thanking you for for your ministries. But that's I think that's to our listeners to our people it's okay to sound a warning to people to the sheet to be pastor that's one of the qualifications you gotTa Tate Sound doctrine but yet those but if you go to jude also that brings it down to an individual able to. We're all called as Christians to be able to defend our faith and rebuke those it. They come against us. But I in with this here just and we live like sat outside of Memphis Tennessee rural community. Most churches are fifty to one hundred people many a lot smaller than that. And many of these charges are preaching sound doctrine true biblical worship and though their numbers. Hardly ever if any increase at all yet when I look around they say other churches who are flourishing in numbers. What word of encouragement would you give to those charges out there whether small or big that are preaching sound doctrine accidentally the Scriptures and worshiping correctly as the Bible says but maybe not be experiencing a growth in number? What would you? What were of encouragement? Would you say to them? That's that's such a great question and it's a question that really pulls it my own heartstrings. Not that I've I've ever been in that situation or I've been pastern. That's been a pastor. That situation haven't been but I have traveled all across the United States all around the world. I've been hundreds of these charges and I have such a tremendous heart for our faithful shepherds the vast vast majority of whom are in these smaller churches in there. They're not they're not no they're not in the limelight. They're not being interviewed on. Radio programs are not being asked to stay at the big conferences that they are faithfully shepherding their little. Flops THEY ARE. They are studying to show themselves approved. They are rightly dividing the word of truth their shepherding their flocks feeding the sheep disciplining the sheep on when it's necessary per matthew eighteen but their nurturing them. They're leading them. They're they're preaching the word of God they are. They are honoring Christ's and in their churches. Most of them are pretty small under in. They're not saying the growth and I just wanted if you're a man who's in that situation. Let me let me just say to you. How grateful I am for your work. How grateful I am for your Labor because it's going to be you guys one day that's going to be at the front of the line. Not me I mean I I am I am very grateful for the big names. Some of the heavy hitters in our own biological circles We all know John MacArthur. I love in respect. The stocks offer John McCarthy Steve Lawson voting welcome in Phil Johnston Alastair Bag and all these names that we know and I'm profoundly grateful for for Paul Washer is another man Love so grateful for these men but I am equally grateful for all these unknown faithful shepherds out there. They're just doing. They're laboring away in their known only to their little flocks their little churches outside of their nobody knows about those guys are going to be in the front of the line one day in. If you're one of those guys I would encourage a key. What your honor Christ by doing your work. Your hard work continue to do it in. Trust Christ for the results I tell people that obedience is in and of itself its own reward sometimes when we obey God he does bless us with some tangible things that we can see You know sometimes. He does do that like he did with Daniel Hannan. I'm Michelle as Orion Daniel Chapter One. They were faithful to God and God. Honored them gave him a friend on the inside. Favoring the commander favor in the eyes of the commander of the officials they're Daniel Chapter one. Sometimes God does things like that and he blesses us in in tangible ways. Sometimes they're not tangible. But obedience is its own reward so faithful shepherd out there. You keep doing what you do. Keep laboring in the word. Keep Shepherding your flog. Nurture them protect them from the wolves in when you lay your head on the pillow at night you will at least have the blessing of having a clear conscience. You've done what you're supposed to do. And Trust God for the results we array God in. We trust him for the results. Whatever those results are in church is growing if it's if you're not adding new members and if you're not looking at building a new wing to your sanctuary or whatever you know what so k. It's okay doesn't mean you're not successful. No he'll be new TRUSCOTT. The results spent some time with Todd. Frio few months ago and he he. He hit some good comments about that. Your church is only a failure when it's not biblical. You may some may come some I go. I say God's one that does editions but if you stick to the Scriptures and obey obey to them. You are a success no matter what number. That's right Jolo. Stain is an abject failure he's got the largest He is in abject failure. Ed Young Junior Fellowship Churches. The name of the churches came to me AB failure. These megachurches are there. Abject failures even Arctic even further that now. Since we're doing playing that you just I know we're we're kind of wrapping things up here and man. We have really appreciated our time with this evening. And thankful you know we're kind of small town Roy. Area like feel set Appreciative of the big hitters. Out there like yourself. I know you may not claim that yourself but your ministry. Has I know for the four guys sitting at this table. You been instrumental in our lives. And so so thankful for that and and just excited to spend this time with you but before we leave I did want you to share a little bit about some things that you've been working on You did this To our Youtube Video During this this cove this current crisis of today and exposing some of these. These modern prophets and faith healers share a little bit about that with our listeners if you will and then also to share with us about the free conference she got coming up with a Andrew Rappaport. We'd love to hear a little bit about that and how our listeners can it can join in on that. Yeah so about a week or so ago. I put up a video youtube. And it's by far the most detailed video. Don But I've at book allow different video of Copeland Lou in Chuck Pierce Anna Sean boats. And Bill Johnson Injure Wall magazines these others things that they have said related to the To nineteen virus the pandemic that were going through Tracy coup in basically. I have never seen anything like this. Pandemic that has more acute in more irrefutably utterly laid bare on every conceivable level out completely bankrupt. The word of faith movement is in the the the Prophetic Movement always so-called prophets. I may the pandemic over nineteen thing has been one. Big unstoppable wrecking ball to host system to this whole abberant theological system is just utterly laid it bare for the whole world to see on every level and so. I put this video together. It is about all two and a half hours long joke with my friends. I said this Bird the avengers don't have nearly the special effects I've got a few layers of comic relief in there Couple of movie clips snuck in there for comic relief in. The kind of illustrates absurd things. But the but yeah it's It's got quite a lot of tracks on earlier today. hundred fifty thousand views or something like that. I hope that it will continue to grow and it goes. It really does expose these this movement for the force that it is it is. It's a great video not say I. I've watched through it and appreciative of the things that you expose Boca on the phone at the the just the videos that you use really helped bring to light the things that these guys are doing. Not just out of your mouth but out of their mouths That that expose themselves not just in Peter said this and he's he's spreading rumors this is. You're taking the clips of them themselves and their ministries and what they're producing for the public and exposing their very words And so that's very helpful for the watcher. The Listener So we thank you for that. We share with us This conference got coming up. That's that's something I know. You're probably excited about. Andrew is quite the character and you guys are GonNa do this This'll online conference together. Share with us about that. Yeah I'm looking forward to that. In Fact Oh oh you call footed the day escapes me Dan. Hey Hey y'all are burning on the spot good dove so yeah may early it? That's right So yeah go right there. You see the. The website is at the yeah but goaded striving for eternity. Internet are GonNa do this this conference and we're GonNa talk about discernment Organ Talk About Some teaching out the air. We're going to really emphasize the sufficiency of scripture. And that's that is one of my hobby horses. I guess I'll tell people that the real battle over the Bible today is not at least the radically. It's not over in Antsy as much as it is over. Sufficiency in we are losing that battle today. Big tyrod every fall theological mischief today in the in the Evangelical World can trace back to an abandonment of the sufficiently scriptures and so That's that's what we're going to be focusing on so I'm looking forward to that in. Its first free so yeah. I don't know you know but state of the lockdown and all that will be in by the end of another five or so will but it's awfully it'll it'll be a good tool for people they all livestream in in watch it and so I think we'll be okay by may thirtieth. I mean I think a couple more Sundays of judgment on covert nineteen by Kenneth Copeland. Don't take care of you. That's good stuff you did on that. I enjoyed that showed not only. Did he kill it on on March Twenty Nine at twelve noon? But then that didn't work. And so then he started conjuring up this heat. Wave is mythical heat way you know that was going to burn virus and I kid you not the the very next day in newer Texas which is North Fort. Worth openness is the the that was on April. The second he was released on about this heat wave that got told him about and he conjured up commanded to calm April third. The next day the high temperature in Newark Texas was forty two degrees early on a thirty one degrees below low average. Now you can't make this stuff we let love your your comment about he He declared it gone. And then he said it was diminishing and you said something like well how can it be diminishing shriveling and he said I digress? That was just nonsense is what it is but we just till we just pray that people are awaking to this and we know that there are still be people in the dark but people like you ministries like this disarm ministries little we just pray that. I we. We just pray that they continue to album people's eyes and ultimately no. It's the work of God. Justin thank you so much man. We really appreciate your time. And God bless you guys and God bless your your your ministry and your family's so thank you. Thank you Justin folks. That's going to do it. We will lessee back here next time. Adult Life Song Radio. You've been listening to live song radio. You can follow us on facebook and you too and if you want to continue to study throughout the week check out the resources available on our website at live. Song Radio DOT COM. See you next week for another episode of Live Song Radio.

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Encouraging Tweet from Philippines

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Encouraging Tweet from Philippines

"The. Rep. Delia dish where we provide a quick biblical interpretation applications. This is a ministry striving for turning. Encouragement means to give someone confidence or boldness to do something, and I want to encourage you this week. But one of the things that encouraged me was a Twitter that I got we got a tweet from a pastor down in Sabuku Philippines passer. David wanted to encourage both Justin Peters in myself, because of the conference that we had done down there, and he sent a message and this is a very encouraging message. Now, let me let you know that in the Philippines. There's an issue with tithing. They put it up as a doctrine, that's almost like a sin. If you don't give ten percent to the church that comes into play. We had spoken. Also about women's role in the church and whether women should preach. And this is what he said the conference, by the way was called snatch. So you're going to hear that. Here's what he said update on snatch LA. Local pastor in boo preached on Sunday that from now on, they will only preach from scripture and have rejected tithing as a doctrine a woman was also asked to preach, but she said, quote, no, I won't find a man to do it, unquote. That's greatly encouraging to both dressed in. I why. Because it says that people understood the things that we are teaching as being from scripture, and they were willing to stand up with boldness and take action that encourages me to encourage others this podcast part of this time before turning administration for more content or to request the speaker or seminar to your church, attorney dot ORG.

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Womens Ministry with Susan Heck

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Womens Ministry with Susan Heck

"To The rap with your harvest and report where we provide biblical interpretation and Application Mrs Ministry of Striving for Eternity and the Christian podcast community for more content or to request a speaker for your go to striving for eternity. God more right well. Welcome to another edition of the RAP report. I'm your host Andrew Rappaport and I have a special guest. Today we're GonNa talk about well women's ministries and deciphering women and materials but I have with us today. Susan heck she is with with the master Dot Org now. One of the things is that we have a mutual friend. And that's how we got to know each other and and That's Justin Peters and I should say that as of now is the time of this recording. Tomorrow will be our snatched him from the flames home addition conference that Justin are doing. But you're listening to this. I think we had a wonderful time. Justin just knocked it out of the Park I. He did an excellent job even though it didn't happen yet but well it's just an. I already know that he did an excellent job or will. But if you haven't watched the snatching from flame home edition it will still be available where we recorded it. Unless of course there's technical issues and I'm speaking in the future but as if it's the past but it will be recorded and it will remain on striving for train dot org slash online dash events or just go to striving fraternity dot org and click the online events. You can see everything there and so Susan. Welcome to the RAP report. Thank you enter. Thanks for having me now you and I got to meet at the Truth Matters Conference and yes I had heard quite a bit about you because just really not to embarrass you at all but just in praise your work very very highly and get it. Praise from is kind of hard and so when he praises somebody when he praises somebody. I pay attention so I I was. I was glad to get to meet you. And your husband at a truth matters so tell us a little bit about yourself. Well I was brought up in a baptist ministers home so I grow up new. The Gospel and God and I got saved baptized three times. But never my life never changed and Went off to Moody Bible Institute where I met my husband Phil. Johnson was his roommate and Phil Johnson. Which my dad's church. My Dad advertise Phil and Phil said to dad. My husband. My Pastor's daughter is coming here and you need to date her because she tends to get in with the wrong crowd so anyway fill introduced us and the rest is history but Still thinking I was a believer but I was not so Basically the first years of our marriage I really was Tore MY HOUSE DOWN. Brick by brick so to speak and at the age of thirty got arrested my heart in. I don't need to go into all the details at Lord. Save me. I repented of my San First Time. I saw myself as a center and my life really really changed and that was thirty four years ago and after that I just I started hungering for the word like before I read my Bible every day. I thought that's what no Christians did. But it never had any meaning or didn't mean anything to me other than words on a page and so My Life Transformed began to put off sand and became under submission to my husband and just wanted to know the Bible so I started memorizing scripture. My husband had most of the New Testament memorized dry met manning and so. I started that journey myself and actually just completed that this year completed the New Testament so I have a passion to help women to be strong in the word into to know and love God through scripture and that is my passion and desire so that's kind of a nutshell that's the short version so you got a couple of pastors in your family. Their Dad husband my son my son in law. Yup We do. We're blessed though. Thank only my dad was a godly. Man He really was and he expounded scripture Bam. Fortunately he was of the pain of decisional regeneration out prayer prayer and so as a child. I DIDN'T WANNA go to like I. Didn't you know my dad preached on? Hell in so I didn't want to go there so most of my decisions as as a teenager and a child were emotional. I really didn't understand the Gospel. I really did understand repentance. I didn't think I was a center. I had nothing to be forgiven of until you know God. Just he really literally slapped me down and Humbled me and I wept and mourned over my sin. First Time in my life and as so God. I'm so thankful and I have a passion for people brought up in the church. That know all the religious lingo. But don't know priced. They don't have they don't know Christ so no. That doesn't happen more than you think. Way More for them. Yes you know one of the things that you said which maybe people like heard and went. Wait what to memorize. Even a book of the Bible is something that people think is impossible to do But I'M GONNA ask you this question because I've done this myself. Not The whole New Testament but I would. I would memorize book by book though my problem is I wouldn't keep up with it so when you don't keep up with you end up forgetting it but here's what I found in. Memorizing books of the Bible was an working at that memorization of it is even say the book of Titus James Fi Leeman Philippians books. I didn't work at memorizing the Gospels. Maybe I should but what I ended up doing in my own head was developing an outline for that memory so I may not be able to tell you specifically what else in titus speaks about the the older men with younger men and the older women with younger women. But I know it's there and I know what it says. I know it somewhere in the middle of the book. Roughly like nausea Jewish. Probably when I have to. I'd have to look right because I didn't memorize versus verse. Numbers numbers however made there. Yeah because that'd be even harder but but did you find as I did that. Memory Book of the Bible actually helps you to get an outline and to get the context of that book. Oh yes very much so. I don't teach a book of the Bible. Gye have memorized because it so insightful and helpful and yes I do find that and I'm like you. I don't do one one two three but I can tell you some of his worst chapter James about the time you know I could tell you what chapter it is. Or where's the chapter about wisdom or you know the rich man or know trials or whatever so. I see that because I've memorized it and I can take excellent breath. You know it is but not exactly so. His chapters in verses were added later they truly not. Everyone knows that yes. Paul wrote a letter. He wrote a letter. So yeah you spend with the smaller books I used to do is i. Would I just print off the book? I hadn't titus because that's a smaller book and I had it printed on back two sided sheet of paper that I would fold up and stick into my pocket and everywhere I walked I would pull it out of my pocket Now I mean now you have apps. I have an APP on the on the phone. That helps me to memorize and so you could. Just it's a it has like games. You can play to help with memorization. It's called versus and it's IT'S A. It's a helpful but the thing that I really was it was funny with the book. Titus is I could still remember which which parts were right on a line because at folded in thirds and then thirds again slip in my pocket and kind of that third top third middle third bottom third. I memorize kind of in those blocks it so I could actually see it on that paper. Oh that's good but it's it was taking it was really utilizing the time of. That's typically if someone's in an and they're they're walking to go get a cup of coffee at at the cafeteria. It's a great time to sit and as you're walking don't trip but pull out a piece of paper out your phone and mean peel are on their phone anyway. The instead of texturing memories right So that's right. So let's talk about women's ministry. There's never any problems at all in any churches women's ministry right now. I don't think up. Oh boy it's a mess. I'll tell you it is a mess so I mean. There are many popular women's teachers for people that will write material for for Women's Bible Studies. And I I remember. This is many years ago my wife went to. We went to church and they started doing a Bible study on and they were using Beth more and and she's even worse now than she was. I mean this is like twenty years ago twenty five years ago and my wife is sitting in this Bible study and yes she's gone because you know were members of the church. We want to support the events that that go on and Moi is going gets to to know some of the ladies and talk with them disciple them and she's sitting in this study and she's just moist naturally quiet person and she's listening to this and she's coming home and she's like you know. This book is talking this and this and this and they're and they're discussing this and it's just like should I be correcting them? I'm like well that that's wrong. So yeah she's like all right so she goes back and corrects him. And says this is what Beth more saying but this is what the Bible saying after like three weeks that you just looks at me says. I'm not doing this anymore. She goes if they want to do this book study. I'll wait till they're done with it and do something else with the ladies. I said why she goes. She goes first off. I'd rather I'd rather go to passer conferences with than this stuff. It's just fluff. There's no content and when there is content. You can't trust it. It's wrong so she she just said I'm done with it. That was my introduce introduction to Beth more and women's studies and what I found is there are there are some Beth. More would be one. That is the she is a very divisive person. What I mean by that is there are people that if you dare say what I just said that she's full of fluff and has no content or actually says things that are wrong or even worse now that she says things that are unbidden local. Like that she's having dreams of Jesus brushing her hair It will divide people will. Actually I knew pastor. That just stopped talking to me when macfound out the he and his sermon had promoted. Beth more and I said. Are you familiar with like you know? She claims to have dreams from God and dreams that turn out to be untrue. He stopped talking to me over that. And I'm like wait. What but she is become almost as divisive issue. If you if you don't speak highly of her people will cut you off. Of course the thing. I always gets me puzzled as they say that they're tolerant. Will you know actually Andrew Bet? More is the reason I'm doing what I'm doing today. Other than God is sovereign. And he's the one that's given me. I never intended to do what I'm doing. But about twenty five twenty five years ago a friend of mine asked me if I would listen to video of hers. She do. You know bet I said No. I don't ever heard of her so took the video. At that time. I just started writing studies for the ladies in my church so it was a you know a a vhs that tells you how long ago put it in the T. V. in my husband watched fifteen minutes he said. I'm going going to watch the whole thing because I wanna give my friend adequate review of what I think so. I watched the whole thing and this is really drew. What happened. I turned off the television. And I said Lord if you WanNa use me for your glory I will do it. This is disgusting and she was twenty five years ago and she was saying the problem with Christians is they have attention spiritual deficit disorder in the in. The solution is since still a no. He's got an I thought. What is she talking about? And so it was honestly Andrew through that I mean I already had a passion for women and was teaching women that I never wanted public forum at ever. I never planned to be an author speaker but I did. I told the Lord I will go wherever you want me to go. I will do what you want me to do to help. Women this is disgusting. And she's the one that women are listening to today. You know like she even said if if I'm America's Bible Teacher America is in trouble and we are in trouble women that listen to her and follow her. It's divided me to places go but I cannot stand by in and not say anything when I'm asked what I think of her. I tell that she's also teacher. And there's so much out there now and you're right you're exactly right. She has just become linney. I hope she saying anymore. And it's it's greedy. It's grevious to me. It's very grievous to me and so I'm with you on that one and that's what people gravitate to. That's what women gravitate to the unfortunately woman to me you know that she's gotten the platform she has with with not any content. But this is why I think we are hurting in churches so much because the the women in churches. It's like in my opinion many churches. What they do is psych okay. The pastor's wife for some other woman teaches a study. And I know that when I was pastor there was this expectation my wife would lead a women's Bible study my wife's not a teacher and I think what often happens is people. Churches put the pastor's wife in that position. They don't WanNA teach so they get some material. Beth Moore's okay. We'll get that but you're not doing the ladies in the church a spiritual service by giving them material and saying we have to we. We're going to read this and let's not digging deeply to the word of God. I mean what she should would Beth. More should've answered with that. Was Not to sit still but to study to show yourself approved exactly Herman. Ix are despicable and she has anywhere she had. She had nukes. She has said there's G Bevan I've told a will be beaters Justin's why I've told because my daughter lives in Houston and I know we're bath lives in I. I really would honestly Andrew. I would love to go to her house with a Bible and sit down and talk to her. I wouldn't let me in her inner door but just to talk to her based to face and I just I agreed. You know the blind leading blind the both the edge. She's making those women to for two more of And she is that's what scares me and her followers are becoming just like her and I know because I've dealt with some of them. They're vicious their main. And it's IT'S GREVIOUS. It's just grievious to me. Oh yeah I I don't get I don't seem to get as much hate mail And when I do something about Beth more then I but that that's really the thing you nailed it. Her followers are very just like her. You'll know them by their. You know when that thing came out with John MacArthur. You were there when he told her go home unit. That's been united met you. She has continued. I don't have social media do instagram Marie stuff but but Kathy keeps me abreast of all this. But she's really smart. She's been mocking him since then. And yes one of the signs of a false teacher according to jude their markers and even if I was confronted by a Man. I don't agree with I would not be out mocking him in public or like that so grevious mocking taking him out of context in doing it. She's not she's not dealing with what he actually said in the context of and she's definitely not addressing the context of the day because just earlier that day at that. Conference Justin did a whole thing on hearing the Voice of God and showing how people like Beth more looking for some extra biblical information dreams. Which which again I know deal with when I go through in the statute from flame seminar. Go through the entire book of Jude On. How do identify false teachers? And and yeah. We'll have a clip of Beth in there but the thing is that when you see this you just mentioned something that I think is really important for folks. Is You know being able to Go to her house like you're right. If we went to her house she wouldn't see you or I that I want. Yeah I know but she should. I mean look I. I've had the privilege as I'm sure you have to get to know people that many of us would would look to in Christian circles Names that are big names but I have some of those people. I'M NOT GONNA name the names here but I know of some people who I've called up on the phone and had to say look you know you you said something. I want to get more clarification because I think what you said was was wrong and you know. There's there's one individual where I I remember calling him up. Recently this is this is someone who's known around the world and I could call him up and say. Hey I think you know there's an issue here and he apologized and was like you know what? Let me let me explain that. I didn't word that well Gave you the wrong impression so please forgive me for that and this is someone who is? Who's got a busier speaking sedro than you? Which you've been pretty busy speaking. So you're you're almost as busy as dressed in when I looked at it. Well not right now been shut me yes? It was becoming very busy but yeah but the thing with viruses. I don't know if you've been doing this. I've been speaking around the world right from my house. I mean I've I've preached in the Philippines this weekend preaching an Oregon and I don't leave the house actually kind of liking that aspect but it's not the same feeling as when you're with people getting to meet them. No I miss it. I miss it a lot but I am starting back in July. I'm going to Florida so least at least I have one out. You're you're going to Florida in July. You're supposed to plan those in the winter months. I know we'll see an hoping to resume my schedule soon. But it it's in the Lord's Hands. And he has given not a lot of other ways to minister so an online conference. I'm going to be a part of one of those next month. So we'll see what what the Lord has I mean? That's the that is the the reason we did this national by the flames Justin. I had are scheduled freed up and we're like well. Let's let's plan something. Let's do something and We actually thought she may may. Thirtieth may be too late. Everyone might be out of the house by then but the turned out well because everyone else started doing conferences after we started planning it. So but but let's let's talk about what would good women's ministry in a church. Look like because I think that you know we could look at some of these women and say okay. This is problematic. And there's some who. I do think that there are some that sort off with with good intentions but once publishing companies get involved it. It's it becomes this This thing where we got it we got to. Soften it. Sorted appeals to more people. I know in I. I have one book that went through publisher. It's sharing the good news of Mormons. There was twenty four authors. We all wrote a chapter. It's very sick book but I. I was frustrated with the publishers. Because I have a phrase that I've been saying for you know going on thirty years which is that I I do. Open air bans with my share. The Gospel in the open. You know for two reasons. One to clearly communicate the Gospel message to to get one professing atheist. Tell another professing atheist to shut up in other words. I WANNA conduct my behavior in such a way that even someone who hates the message respects the way that I present the message. And so that's why called embassador. Evangelisti needs to be a good ambassador man. I was fighting with the publisher. Like look this is the way I said it for years. And they're like I think they worded it like to have one unbeliever ask another unbeliever to be quiet and like it doesn't have the same effect with publishers. Do that because they want to sell and yeah. I think that that happens. I also think that what ends up happening is pride. I think that pride is a a very deceptive I really became aware. Pride in in Christian circles I don't know if you know the name Marquee Hill. He's an evangelist. He's was a well-known evangelist. And and he and I used to be friends and so we went to this conference Called the deeper conference. He was speaking and there was a line of people out around the corner to see him to talk to him and he wanted me to. You know to give them something where we got to think. So I you know. As kind of often the in the hover position is people. Call it like off the side waiting to finish beacon someone and then. I just walked up to give him this set of DVD's that he wanted. And you know. I was just like I just said here gives us the and he thanked me and he. He wanted to ask some questions. I'm like dude. Just you got a long line of People. I'll talk you. Just give me a call next week when we get back home. He goes all right. I'll call you as a mocking way. He said I'll call you well as he said that I had three people come right me and I'm talking to me and I realized something at that moment. They really didn't care about me. They cared that mark knew who I was and they wanted to get to know me to get to know mark now i. I did something that was wrong. I lied I actually told the guy because I I actually felt that pride like ooh look these people want to know me and then like realized they really didn't and so I ended up lying and saying I had to go meet someone when I really didn't just to get away from the guy because I didn't know how to deal with and I know since then I've learned how to do. It's one of the reasons I when I go preacher with very comfort. I don't do the Sunday Saturday after Shepherd's conference. I'll go out a week before so I could do it when no-one from shepherds conferences there. So no one. There's just unbelievers there. There's no believers who are who are going. Oh You know ray comfort you know so. I think those things happen. But can you explain what we should look for? Good Women's ministry church. What's that look like? Yeah I can you know I believe first of all she can come under the umbrella of the pastern elders pending on the church government so everything needs to be approved by them and in our churches are elders have asked that we just studied the Bible. And so I. I ride my own Bible. Studies have written thirteen today. Most of them are six have been published. Others are on their way to being published. But so I I ride expository studies or women in verse by Verse Application Illustration For Women and so we study the Bible. And if I'm not teaching other women that do cheech. It's mainly good sound theological material so best the first thing. It has come under the authority of the elders. And if we do other books like during the summer they also have to be approved by the elder board and so s just for our protection and so. I think a good solid women's ministry would be founded on scripture and we have small groups. We have leaders that are proved that know how to facilitate a discussion than you'll have to confront air. It's brought up and so I teach and then we have discussion time and fellowship and then we also have a very active tightest do ministry where old women get together with younger women into cycle damn in the areas of Domestic things the sevenfold curriculum. It tight titus to teach them how to be sober-minded love their husbands their children be pure keepers at home and good and obedient to their husbands. So we have. I think that's a healthy women's ministry where they're being taught the Bible but also being disciple and so in our church. We probably have ninety ninety five percent of our women that are either deciphering or being disciple and again. It's all under the umbrella protection of the board and so we're we're very very thankful for that but definitely I would not gravitate to the materials that is not based on feelings or psychology or. I never ask a question. Like how does this make you feel? It doesn't doesn't really matter how it makes you feel it matters what God says in so I try to. We stay away from all that kind of material sue. Stay away from S. Y. I. Bible Studies With that stands for now. I do not know chance for show your ignorance. That's where everyone sits around in a Bible study having not studied it all and just go. What does this mean to you? Yeah Yeah No. We don't do that so you know. I am thankful I think there are women out there. I've met damn on my traveling excursions. There are women out there that really want to know the Bible in. They really want to be instructed in truth but there are far more other women. I think who gravitate towards the best more type studies unfortunately but again I think it goes back to leadership in if your elder board and your pastor is not sound be a theologically biblically. Then you're GonNa have women that are weak and and they're going to be instructed in things that they should be so a. I'm thankful for the protection of that again. I think the you know we're seeing a weakness in the churches all all around. It's not just it's not just women's ministry. My husband has often said from the pulpit pastors our politicians in cowards and can tell they can stop being politicians in cowards. The Churches Not GonNa be strong and it's Dacian so wish your husband would say what he really thinks he does. Do you think it could be just because it's easy to do a study that you just pull off the shelf. You don't have to prepare much. Do you think that's why it's become so popular it's easy? It's probably because I did the same thing you do. When I first started looking to you know to be published because once I needed to do it and I I would present my Stepdad Moody or other publishers. And they want me to cut half of it out I go. How can you do that as the Bible study? Can't cut out half of it. So through the Lord's gracious providential kindness Focus Publishing Sought me out and they started publishing have a contract with them so they published it in its entirety the Lord Willing So. I'm thankful that you're right. They people they just want the bottom. GimMe the bottom line. The bottom line and I'm sorry you know the you gotta study to show yourself approved. You know a workman that needs to be ashamed rightly dividing the truth. So I mean I spent fifteen to thirty hours for every message. I right and You know to study properly. I do my own outlines. I you know like I said I memorize before even teach it in. My husband goes through all my books before they're published to make sure they're theologically correct in so that's just for protection you know To offer something out there that women can sink their teeth into. Hopefully you know you sits on that one highlight because when I do. Our Bible Interpretation Made Easy Seminar. We teach people how to interpret the Bible Insurance. Come in for weekend and do this and one of the things I do at the end is to say okay. Look this sounds like a lot of work when when you you lay out all is required all that you should be doing to do. Study of God's word it sounds like a lot of work and if you've faithful pastor this is what your pastors doing every week so if it sounds like a lot then you should be praying for your pastor a lot more because this is what a pastor should be at least doing we can week out. I know it blows people away when I would say that for me. A sermon is an is an average. It used to be about thirty hours thirty to forty. Now let's say it's twenty to thirty just think it's reduced because the more you study in the more you pre the there is some that you retain s and you learn how to do things quicker. I've learned how to work with my e study software better. I've just learned how to you know no more scripture now. I have a better understanding so it goes a little faster base. It's it's a lot of work. A lot of my case with my Lago set definitely saved me time of not having to pull books and open. 'cause I can get it but I have learned how to not not all the rabbit trails of. Oh let's go in research this now. Let's look at the right. This is of interest so I've had to learn to do that. But this you know for people who hear what you just said. That seems like a lot fifteen to thirty hours but I think this is the problem that we have in church. I'll even say with Sunday school. You know a lot of people are familiar with the answers in Genesis survey. That was done where they talked about. The reason people were leaving the church. Was they left when they were in Sunday school because in Sunday school we teach faxes if it story and then they go to school and they get evolution as if it's a fact and I think that's partially true but the other part that I think is true is the fact that who teaches Sunday school any warm body. Anyone who's willing and they don't study. Okay here's your material. Here's the material you have to teach tomorrow. They they read it maybe the night before they come in. It's a bunch of. Here's some crafts. We're going to do with the kids. Here's some things we're GONNA do. Here's a little story. They haven't studied it out to me when I was a pastor and in different churches we we. I've always kind of had it where we wrote our own material we as a leadership. We provided an outline but about ten hours study of work. It's a lot of work and but it's worth it in. I gotTA answer suggested often says I wanted to answer to God so I better have it down right. Yeah I try to say the different to where where it's just my opinion in we're scripture says so. I want go ahead. No go ahead now. I was just GonNa say I I WANNA I wanna be accurately dividing the word of truth than I. I've seen the changes in our women. There there's they growing spiritually and you know Shows up in their home life in their marriage and I'm just so thankful I want a go to other churches in honestly Andrew. You know it's it's grevious. Some of these women they they don't know. The simplest things are in the Bible in their struggling with all kinds of issues in their home. But they're just not equipment scripture and so I'm very thankful for the opportunity in my own church and to be able to help women you know in other areas too so Anyway so we don't want to do after this break is. I would like to go through some of the resources that you have because my hope is that people will go to with the master dot org and check these resources out and start ordering them for for their church or or having you come out and speak which it would would be a good thing although I do. I did take a look at the website and I see you did dodge a bullet. I I see. I see that may fifteenth and sixteenth. Thanks to Corona. It looks like you dodged a bullet and you don't have to be out there with Jim. Osmin at at many church there. So it's a very good. You'd you'd Dodge that bullet for folks who who who who don't know Jim. Someone who's been a co host with me on this show in episodes in the past so speaking at his church several times but he's a good friend and he he is. He used to be a mutual friend. Justin Peters Pastor so but after after this break I want to go through some of the resources. What what makes your resources different than other resources. 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Bookstore more order directly from Amorim Dot Org and you can also get that at the striving for eternity store striving for turn ity dot. Org and I should mention that we are as was will be mentioned tomorrow. But if I'm this drops it'll be yesterday at the national from the flames conference that we are having a striving for Turkey moving sale all of our books all of our syllabuses for the struggling fraternity academy are all half off because we're moving striving fraternity and we're looking to reduce what we have to move so we're offering to you fifty percent off if you just use coupon code move so just put in coupon code. Move with your order. And all the books and Silva's will be fifty percent off so of that so we're back with Susan Heck and again. The website is with the master dot. Org Now there's as we've been talking. There's a lot of resources Susan for women's ministries have produced a number of them. And what I'd like to Deuce come to just go through so that if there's people are saying you know. I did go to a church where we had Beth more. We Wanna get some solid stuff. They WANNA reach out to get some of your resources in. Could you give us an overview of what resources are organized? What people can expect with them? What kind of sets them different from Beth? More and then. What are some of the topics and things that people can learn? Thank you yeah. I have written Thirteen Bible studies to this day. I'm just finished a study. Second Timothy and six of them have been published in book form and the next one was getting ready to be published when covid nineteen games so Goal is to have them all published and I do hope to keep writing. So they're all a Briton. Steady on James Colossians first Peter Discourse on and on so my my studies written in an expository fashion. I'm sure your audience knows what that means. Verse Biber's through books of the Bible and I have steady questions at the end of every chapter and so's digging deeper. I have application questions. Unusually scripture memory one verse based on the text and so they they are media studies but they are written in a fashion that I believe even the the newest Labor could understand my idol studies. They're also on Dvd and then also on Youtube have a youtube channel and a lot of my teaching can be found on Youtube so ladies could go through a Bible study on Youtube and then get the homework from my website. They download it and so they come to church or their home and watch one of my key chains and then do the homework. And so there's there's a lot of you know. There was a lot of ways that they can do that and I do have churches that do go through my studies and I'm just very thankful for that. They got as using them And then I've written other books you know helping women put off life dominating sins. I've written a book on a twenty tests for little children out of first John. A call to discipleship Kabul scripture memory. Another book it was getting ready to be published. Covid nineteen name was speaking the truth in Lavenham post-truth World Abbott. They can find that but that right now on youtube we just recorded that at my church so they can get it in audio and video format. It's not in the book yet as taking the in post truth or because I think we've lost the art of the speaking truth and there's other things like that resources that they can use those. Those are more you know. Those other ones are more like booklets more than you know. Big Bible study so anyway that there's a lot of different ways they can do it audio video on my website. They can listen to teaching that way or Youtube or purchase a book on Amazon or through me or third focus appreciate so for folks to know if they go to your website with with the Master Dot Org. The Youtube Channel is the bottom of the page is a little link on the lower right to get to your youtube channel. So I mean this. Is You have a lot of material but you know when we when we think about this I think about the way most people try to teach which as we said earlier is just they wanted just read something and then facilitate a discussion about what people think about. Whatever was reading. It doesn't sound like your studies are really designed for that. It sounds like your studies are designed for actually doing some homework. You actually have a tab on your website with lists of homework and it's more like what we were talking about rules of interpretation in so I'll have my you know. Sometimes they'll say man you have a street through the whole by bly don't but I want him to be able to find those nuggets of truth for themselves and so I'll I'll ask them to compare and contrast I'll ask them to look for things that are repeated in scripture and why does all repeat this. Or why does Peter re this phrase or this idea and so I want them to be thinking on their own so I don't? It's not just a fill in the blank I will study is not just busy work. It's it's work where I really want them to be to be thinking. And then at the end you know what? I was going to change your life. What are you GonNa do about what you just taught you know? So it's one thing to be. Here's our steadier. But we need to be doers of the word and and that's why we have the small group so they can pray for one another hold one another accountable for the things that they know they need to change. But God's help in his spirit so yeah they're they're not they're not for fluffy people so if they're looking for flats while it had over to Beth Moore's website but not mine but I really wanted help women. I tell you it's been a joy could have been doing this now for thirty years and I just have. Joy met women all over the US in the even now in other countries semi decide all through sky idea is just a joy to these women. You know getting whole the truth and growing and learning and then deciphering other women and I've lived long enough to see that passing on passing on and it's a joy and just I just want to keep keep doing what I do. I can't do it anymore. Till The Lord. Thanks Home. Whichever COMES FIRST. Well not too soon. We hope for sure but you. You also have another resource that I didn't hear you mention. Which is you have a podcast that you do and you. Obviously I could see why you and Justin Peters get along so well Justin's ministry is called the other way. Let me think about the name. It's hard for me. Remember Oh right. Justin Peters Ministries website of Justin Peters Dot. Org I see you and get along so well because your podcast is named Susan Heck podcast. Actually some guy is doing that for me. I don't know he he's the one that start taking my step and doing it because his wife wanted to listen to me and while she was going today and he said you care by. Take all your teaching and podcast. I don't care I really have nothing to do with that. And even the Youtube Channel. I know I don't really do anything. I have someone in my church that wanted. She retired now. She said you know we really need to get your teachings online. So she's the one that Joe video me on when I teach and then she would sit up there and all the bells and whistles on it so if it can help somebody on a thankful to have it available anyway I mean the this is using the technology to get the truth out in. It is sad that we have to battle against so much error. Be You know. It's it's a frustrating thing it is and it's getting worse and worse it really is in. As just as Christ said it'll become worse and worse and boss cries also prophets will arise and if possible deceive elect. They they won't be able to but I'll tell you they're trying to do a good job of it. Yeah Yeah you know. It's it's always amazing to see how how people think that we can ensure get along with the world and not have the world affect us that you know we could play. Nice with them take on their belief system and somehow convinced them that the truth is in Christ. Why would they? When you've already given up Christ for the world you know what do you? What do you think would is the greatest danger in women's Ministry and Churches? The greatest danger that I see is the lack of biblical knowledge and They don't there's no desire for the pure milk of the word and therefore they're not growing in long with that would be an addiction to Social media I just heard a sermon by pastor macarthur that he did two weeks ago and he was talking about the importance of fellowship with one another and he was talking about the danger of cell social media. And I'm just really disturbed when I will talk to women as I travel and speak. Who are biblically illiterate. But then when you kinda probe a little bit and ask personal questions Bell Fan. Two to four hours a day on facebook or Instagram or just meaningless trivial staff searching recipes online searching our for some recipe. That's going to be eaten in ten minutes and wasting time and so I think we're just the best what I see. It's women that are as talking to a Gal. The other day that I disciple in New Jersey and she said I just can't I needing women that are older and Godly in that I want to emulate and I said that's an indictment our church and it shouldn't be that way. There should be a plethora of older women in every church that young women can say. Yeah I WANNA I WANNA follow her. She falls Christ then. They're just not there because they rather no be involved in trivial drippings of the day and they're wasting their life so that's that's what I see. You asked me so I told you. Do you think you brought up a point. Though is D- think that with Burr? If you remember back in the eighties the worship wars where based on the style of music that you wanted to hear in church they started dividing the church into a traditional and contemporary the traditional is older congregation and the contemporary for the younger congregation and which ended up really being that they just split off churches where had more traditional churches and contemporary churches. So that those those groups didn't even get to know each other within one church but now they're in totally separate churches. Do you think that that divide in generation had had a play in all this in the fact that you're not seeing that titus model of older men to older to younger men older women to younger women played out. Yeah I would I would. I would say yes that has had a big. I believe that has has a big keith impact on it because I remember after my husband graduated from seminary and we moved back to Oklahoma I was just all of a sudden just struggle with the fact that I didn't see that happening in churches. There was not this decide bullying going on and I wondered why that was so neglected and and I do believe there is a big divide and so we haven't raised a generation of men and women as the importance of Biblical discipleship or training in how to study the Bible in had learned the Bible. And you know we think no popcorn call God and and one bursts today is in the Guinness through our you know spiritual battle of glide every day. We're crazy work and so Enforced that's what's being modeled in the churches today. I mean I even see this with like the way the church. Some churches do Sunday schools. There's it's it's as if everyone's kind of broken if you're older. You have no children you you can hang out together. Then if you're younger you have children. You Hang Gay if you're if you're the college and career the singles you hang it. Yeah and it's all divided. I we were in one church that with my wife and I would do once a month have a dinner and we take it a different couple or individuals from each of those kind of groups because we saw everyone segregating that way and just have them over for dinner to get to know one another and people start realizing they had so much they can learn from each other And it was very healthy for the church. But I don't see that being done often. I think you said that the titus model just is is something not being done in churches and I think that adds to why were were so endemic as a church. We don't realize with wisdom and so we put old people on a shelf. We think they have nothing to offer when in fact they have. I mean I have two women that disciple me once eighty six one seventy six. They've been working with me for thirty years and I still I'm sixty four but I still value my time with them. And and being mentored by them and learning from what they've learned through life's experiences and Growing and things like that and we just don't value older people and we stick them in nursing homes and and you know it. It's it's sad and yet there's there's a lot of benefit there and I am thankful we have a lot of different ages in our church and I do see that there is not that divide but I do think you're right and I think the on the millennials but I think there's an issue there and they they would rather learn from each other their peers. Which is what got Rian moments. Ruffle then to listen to the older saying you know who's gone through trials and struggles and they walked with God for twenty thirty years can pass on such such help if they would just you know seek it so yeah since because this this is the thing how God has structured it and we. We're we're so ignoring that. I mean I remember when pastor. It's Chinese church and maybe it had more to do with the Chinese culture but when we get together the all the children I noticed would were. Kinda always together. Nine hundred my age it was just anyone under eighteen and so the older children naturally looked out and cared for and watched the younger children and I was able to watch as those younger children matured. They took on that responsibility of taking care of the younger kids. And the matured better. They learned how to to be serving church better. And I think this you know that is something that we we've we've so divided all the age groups in a church. We started with the children. And now we're doing it to the adults and I think it ruins the discipleship that God has designed You know yet I I would agree. I would agree. So whenever we can do to reclaim that biblical model is good. And I am thankful that God his using media least get the message out there to two sessions on discipleship in its on mighty champion and I'm hoping to stir up some people. Well you know I am. It has been such a blessing to have you on and to be able to discuss this. Because quite frankly women's ministry is unfortunately for many pastors something that they just hand off to some woman in the church that wife or someone else and try to forget about. And I think you're you're charge your your council of saying that the the pastors of Church should be involved be active should be known what's taught. I think the materials that you're providing are necessary for people Again I just WANNA encourage people go to with the master dot. Org check out the materials. They're checkout where Susan is going to be speaking she. She's speaking all over the place so she's probably speaking somewhere near you if you if she's not then here's my suggestion a go talk to your pastor and say hey can we get. Susan speak at our church. Here's here's how you do it. You just go to her page. You Click on speaker schedule. And there's a link at the bottom of how to get ahold of her to have her speak. It's it's quite simple. Actually and you should do that and have her at your church especially with the fact that You know for people who do what we do. It's kind of hard when all of sudden all speaking events stop And so Help help her out by you. Know booking her in your church to make up for events that she had to cancel But except for that one at Kourtney Community Church with Jim. Osman skip that one. You dodged a bullet there. You're safe I mean. Even Justin left that Church. I know he wants to be near the grandchildren. But you know I've been to that church four or five times so it was sad that we had to cancel. It is what yeah so listen I WANNA I WANNA play a game with you that I do with my guests and just you know there's no pressure on you all the pressures on me so we're GONNA play a game Time now to start the miracle transition game now I know that you listen to this podcast religiously so you know what this is but I'm going to explain it to everyone else who doesn't so. Here's here's we replaced game. Susan you're GonNa give me something an object our topic. Whatever it is and my job is to get to the Gospel now. I don't edit this part so if you stumped me you stumped me and you know it's happened before but the the goal of this is to train ourselves to be able to transition from the natural to the spiritual another words the thing with evangelism that you'll find so hard is how do I start that conversation. Well the reason it's hard is 'cause people don't practice that and this is a way of practicing. We turned it into a game. You could play it in your small group Bible. Study when you're church with just having people over for dinner just throw out a topic and say can you turn that into a spiritual conversation can turn this? Get this to the Gospel. So Susan is GonNa give me something and while she's thinking about that that's the whole reason. I give the explanation to delay. Give her think about something. And she's GonNa give me something and I have the job of transitioning from whatever. She gives me to the Gospel as quickly and not just quickly but as tactfully cancer. It's a smooth transition remember. This is as if you're having a conversation with somebody and you WANNA be able to go from wherever they're talking about to the Gospel so Susan. What am I going to transition to today? Why do you think that Cova? Nineteen came into our world That seems to be a popular one. These days is cove in nineteen second. Might BE ON PEOPLE'S MIND WHY would cove in nineteen come into world well? I think there's a couple reasons. I think we look at what you know scientists doing. What's you know they're doing in trying to push science to to it's extreme because I don't believe it came from from bats in nature and just the reason is for the chemicals to change the way they did it. Would it would take about eight hundred years of change to be able to occur that that much from from the the SARS and whatnot so I think that it just comes from people trying to push the limits of what they could do see how far they could go and that could can be helpful but it could be dangerous because when we when we say that we wanna see what we could do without having ethics without having some way of saying is this right. Science can do lots of things but the question is should science. Do some of those things one reason why I would say. Science shouldn't do some things like this. For example is experimenting with these things can cause problems such as infected bat with a virus and you perfect that but then someone decides what we gotta get. These bats will sell them on the market bad idea right and it spreads but we. We need to ask sometimes the questions. Should we do this? Can we do this? And we see this in a lot of different areas. Lots of things in our culture that people say. Well I can do this. I can love someone of the same sex as me but the question is should we do that? And where can we get that standard from will ultimately were where corona virus can from is the fact that we live in a cursed world and where we get the ethics from if it's going to be a proper ethic and has to have an absolute universal standard and the only way you have that is in the nature of God alone the one that created the universe. He gives us that standard of ethics to say whether what's right and wrong whether we should do something or not. And that's that sin entered the world and that just all. The diseases is the curse on on the entire universes curse because of what Adam and Eve had done and when we look at that we end up seeing that all of us. If we're going to be honest you and I we break God's Law Eli and we still we covid. We break the Commandments. That God says we shouldn't do God's written his lawn or hearts we would we know that guilty conscience. We have when we do. Something we know is wrong. That's telling us we need to get right with God and the way to get right with God is to turn from trusting herself as a good person turn from trusting our good works and turn to Jesus Christ alone as the payment. Isn't why him alone because he's truly God and truly man being truly man he could pay a fine for other men but being truly God he campaign attornal fine for more than one person and that is what makes him unique and what makes Christianity unique someway encouragement would be to not worry about corona virus. But worry about what happens a second after you die get right with God today. Turn from trusting yourself or your good works or your genealogy was raised Catholic all die Catholic. Turn from those things and trust in Jesus Christ alone. So that's how I would go from Wise Corona viruses in the world to the Gospel. Oh I wanna let give you some time to wrap with anything else you WANNA you wanNA share anything else. You have coming up than waiting for publishers to start publishing books against yeah just A. I'm a that's my hope. But in the meantime I'm doing writing and online conference and a memorizing Fassi's so doing that since I've finished a new estimate so it's been a great book during. This is a time for everything I'm doing. Brace time to refrain from embracing well. That's socialist. When did you start windy? Start memorizing that book by about March of this year. I'M IN CHAPTER THREE WAS. Did you start that because of this whole pandemic or do you just use by God's Providence? You started says I was GonNa Start in Genesis and I thought well. That's a long book. I think I've always wanted memorize ECCLESIASTES. I think it's such a great book. And so I thought I'll start their Bingo to genesis. So it's been a joy but yeah I don't really you know I just would like to encourage your audience especially the well. The men too but the females to to really you know just make sure that what they're reading listening to is is sound doctrine and enter to not gravitate towards the fluffy happy stuff that is out there and they wanna be strong in their faith and they're not that's not gonna cut it. You know listening to that other stuff so whether it's me or somebody else or you know. Get some man stuff gets John MacArthur staffer solid biblical man. You know to to listen to and spend their time wisely. Well I appreciate you coming on. I appreciate the wisdom that you provided and let me ask just one last question before we go when you when you memorized this stuff do you go back and read remember. Is it or do you memorize the move on or do you kind of I review everything This morning I was reviewing olive leaf. That was my last New Testament to memorize so I do try to read. I try to review everything I've memorized within a couple of weeks period of time always Moi's reviewing and So I don't lose it and then when I noticed that they're some rough places in certain chapters. I'll try to those armed fast track Tried new first thing in the morning. Otherwise is day goes on. It's kind of harder to make yourself be still do that stuff because I'm pretty pretty active so But Yeah I do. I'm always reviewing and but I do I review. Try to get into two to four weeks. I I try to review the whole test met somehow and law the books. I've known like when I met my husband was only eighteen and the me media memorize Colossians back then so I've had that memorized for. We'll be married forty five years this year so I can you know clashes backwards forward on those because I had it memorized for so long. So the more you review it the more it just rolls off your tongue. And that's what I found so I try to keep a good review system going because I don't WanNa lose it. I WANNA be able to use it when I t JEN Also Biblical counselor so I you know council I liked to be able to just to have it in my head to be able to help people so I think that's where my loss was I. Would I would memorize as you had memorized books as I went through preaching them. But I didn't go back and review and I would lose it but I still keep kind of the someone in my in my mind. Just good. Yeah so folks go to with the master dot. 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