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"justin maxwell" Discussed on The Great Fail
"Alert. It did not almost three years. After the company imploded. it continues to receive tonnes of coverage articles books podcasts documentaries and movies because the public's tenacious obsession with theranos is failure is just as a live now as when we were enraptured by the young founders promised to revolutionize the health sector at the center of it all was its pioneer the charismatic elizabeth holmes who was a nineteen year old stanford dropout when she started the company back in two thousand and three homes and her power of persuasion promised to disrupt a system of traditional pathology that she deemed archaic unsophisticated and even inhumane. What she came up with was an instrument that would allow people to take single simple blood test and see immediate results a proposition that would make her. The youngest ever self made billionaire. Now what i found so fascinating about fairness was that in interviews with former employees. They all talked about the corporate culture within the company which was based on secrecy paranoia and intimidation all perpetuated by homes at the helm. My name's justin maxwell and my physician at theranos was the needlessly lofty head of user centered design and development which translated to desire. Justin was one of these employees and in this episode. He'll explain why the corporate culture turned out to be the precise type of environment that allowed for a company like theranos to thrive to cover up its intricate labyrinth of lies and for more than a decade full powerful investors leaders and innovation and the entire world as we waited eagerly for homes vision to become a reality. The thoroughness story is a master class. in toxic. corporate culture anyone who's been in a noxious work ecosystem will recognize moves from the theranos playbook to understand how theranos cultivated its culture. Let's go back to the beginning. When elizabeth holmes dropped out of stanford university in two thousand and three she ready had a plan she had conceptualized a state of the our blood testing diagnostic device that would enable people to inexpensively analyzed their blood with a single needle prick the sample testing for around two hundred conditions within minutes and by using the words therapy and diagnosis homes form. The word theranos the company that would raise over nine hundred million dollars over the next decade and become a darling in the tech community by two thousand and thirteen theranos introduced itself to the world and was met with bold headlines celebrating the promise of its invention the inside deal with walgreens the second largest pharmacy chain in the united states to install theranos blood testing boots in forty of its retail chains. They also signed on capital blue. Cross cleveland clinic to offer the testing kits. The also formed a partnership with safeway or three hundred and fifty million dollars at the height in two thousand and fourteen theranos was valley to close to ten billion dollars with homes having more than fifty percent ownership. The young ceo became an overnight sensation rubbing shoulders with high profiled. Movers and shakers rupert murdoch. The oracle founder. Larry ellison she even made friends with bill clinton. The media also went wild for her with features in the new yorker forbes tech crunch the new york times style magazine amongst many others for a while they loved homes her quirkiness and intensity. The press embraced her uncharacteristically peculiar ways. Comparing her to the next steve jobs as she traversed silicon valley in her version of the iconic black turtleneck those who came in contact with homes talked about her like she was ethereal being it attract talent from the biggest companies like apple and people that wanted to be a part of this moment. Well what attracted me about. The position was the hype that had been built up around it. So i had been told about the opportunity while i was still at apple and it was presented to me as as a special squad opportunity where some of us would be taken over from apple. Chew this biotech company. With a steve jobs like figure they were going to change the world and the fact that this person was a woman meant even more after. All of silicon valley breakout stars. Mark zuckerberg sergey brin steve jobs cure. Was this young attractive. Brilliant and charming woman who commanded the respects and even admiration of the oldest man on her board the media was ready for someone like homes and many were happy to place her on a pedestal. That is until the wall street journal article that shattered the illusion on october fifteenth. The wall street journal began publishing an in-depth expose on the company. Journalists john carroll. Roux had received a tip that led him to the ex employees who claim that not only did. The technology never work but the company heavily orchestrated methods to deceive the public. The scandal astounded in paralyzed the entire v. c. and medical world theranos. The company had seized attention with the ultimate promise of how technology could make a great leap forward and change our world for the better was quickly revealed as a sham ex employees described. What a shit show. It really was behind the scenes. And that was that the prototype blood testing machine. The edison actually didn't work like for instance was occurring at walgreens beneath its sophisticated. Blood testing unit was actually lots of broken parts. Exploding centrifuges and machinery coated with sticky blood. Although edison was claimed to be capable of testing two hundred diseases the reality was it was more like twenty diseases former employees admitted that the testing was so off that if one hundred people had syphilis and they were tested only sixty would return with positive test results. The wall street journal article snowballed two weeks after the article came out the fda release a statement that it was performing an investigation of theranos equipment. And the next month the three hundred and fifty million dollar deal with safeway fell apart. Theranos unleashed its team of attorneys. And there were many of them all against the media but that didn't deter the wall street journal in fact that december another article alleged rigged test results from theranos. This time walgreens announced it was suspending. All of the testing at the theranos wellness center until all matters got resolved. Except it never did. By two thousand eighteen things were becoming crystal-clear theranos was charged with massive fraud by the us securities and exchange commission holding homes and bhawani who were actually found to be lovers but hid that from the investors also but for them to be liable for criminal charges in the elaborate scheme that raised more than seven hundred million dollars and for making false statements about their business and technology to its investors and partners. How in the world did so. Many people get.
"justin maxwell" Discussed on WLS-AM 890
"Secret agendas truly a threat to democracy itself. I don't buy it. But I know you might. I am actually a card carrying member of the Deep State Trilateral Commission, Illuminati and the Mason So I disagree. It's John Hall Show C and you should listen to it. Sometimes it really works weekdays 5 to 7 on 8 90 W L s But you didn't hear it from me. May have missed stuff You want to hear again? Get the podcast at dot com from 8 90 double L s Welcome back. This is the entropy. Rashard number 855236 30 to 28 855236 30 to 20 Josh in London, Ontario, Canada. Wow, Josh calling from abroad. Your bench pressure go for Josh. So my question for you is, um, recently my girlfriend and I had split up because my political beliefs are different from her family's beliefs and her family. They're obviously Democrats and I'm a Republican. Know her and I got along fine for the year. When we're together. We never really discussed political matters. Consumers is genuinely interested in them. Anyways, I was wondering if you had advice on overcoming a difference of values, relationships or someone who has identical moral beliefs. So I think we should have the same. General moral beliefs is the person that you're dating. I think when it comes to dating people go about this wrong, actually have this discussion with Joe Rogan on his podcast Recently, I was saying that People who don't think seriously about why they're dating end up with the wrong person a lot of the time and then end up stuck. You know, the fact is that the way that you should approach dating is the way that you approach you know anything else. That is an important decision in your life, namely with the goal in mind. If you want to form a relationship with a person that is likely going to be a long term relationship in which you build the family in which you build a life together. You want to make sure that's built on the fundamentals solid basis values because the very beginning Isn't all dating at the very beginning, or at least a lot of it is built on whether you think the person is hot or not. But what studies center show What what personal experience for every single human beings. He guesses that personal relationships change over time. For the first couple of years. You have a very high degree of what Jonathan Height calls in his book, The Happiness Hypothesis, Passionate love, and you have very low levels. Of committed love. They're basically relationship based love and then over time, passionate love, tennis, proceed and sort of value based love tends to really increase over time because you're building a life with somebody. You have to know that that's going to happen before you start a relationship, because if you think that every day is going to be like the first day than your mind, it's not the way any of that works. So you have to think a little bit longer term. I think there are a lot of people who find themselves falling into relationships because they don't really think about the politics. They don't ask up front. They don't really talk about Used and then their shock when the person disagrees with them on fundamental things, and this leads to you know some pretty significant gaps. Like for example, we have a producer here. His name is neck and neck makes. I would say strange dating decisions because Nick very often will. We'll see to date people who he finds to be. Not just personally attractive, but also at sort of variance in values with him has happened several times, and I've told them what you ask up front. And Nick says, Yeah, but you know, they're really hot like Nick, I I get it, Dude, I get it. But here's the reality. Nick, if you want to have, like a long term relationship, maybe he's too young. Maybe doesn't want a long term relationship with somebody, Which is another thing, right? If you're dating for another thing, then you can basically do what you want. But if you're looking to date For the long term, and you really should ask, if, like the person is a liberal wolf trainer before, for example, you decided ate them. But you really you really should like that should be like upfront. That's that's the thing that actually happened, Josh just dumping just a dumping Nick right under the bus, and then after I drove over him for actually put it in reverse in the segment drove back over him to make sure that the body was cold. But that's my my take on relationships here. Is that a relationship so far, sir? Yes. So recently to my family member of mine after the whole black lives matter thing started. We had a disagreement there, too. And he told me in the car with a man like, Listen, if you don't think Trump's racist and you're a racist, and that means that you're not worthy of having dinner at my house, you can't be under the same roof as me. I'm sorry, man. You're excommunicated from the family. Like it's just me. And you know the family's probably one. The most important units like do I try to make their conciliation? We bring justice to clear some of this money belong together. I mean, honestly, the person is going to be insulting to you that they say that you are a racist. I'm not friends, people who think I'm a racist, mainly because they're idiots. Really? I'm not friends, video people who think I'm a bad human being don't tend to make like a great basis for friendship is one thing to have differences of political guys have tons of friends who just dread man politics like lots and lots of friends who disagree with me on politics, many of them famous latest free on politics, and we've had those discussions publicly. But if the person after you thought it was a bad person, which is what it means. When you say somebody's racist, then they can take a hike. I'm not interested. Very well, Thanks a lot, And I really appreciate it and appreciate it. And don't be like Nick. Josh. Think about what you're doing before you started dating. And that's also beauty. We're going make a poster here at the office. Don't be like neck and taking a picture of Nick whittling. Robin, Michigan, You're on Ben Shapiro Sugar for Rob. I am calling about the Ah Ah, last week when the obscene papers were released, Um there seems to be an overall lack of attention being drawn to it as far as the names that were put on as far as like Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew, and there's no response on the people regarding the information that within this paperwork And I just My question is why not? And why isn't there more journalistic? Ah, you know, questioning going on regarding this? I mean, the answer. Rob is a couple of things. First of all the actual witness in the case, there is some serious questions. Asked about her veracity. Alan Dershowitz gets named a lot in these papers, and Dershowitz has basically said he's in a suit for libel. The woman who has done this. Dershowitz is fairly Taste fairly aggressive in is sort of legal presentation. He's basically said that he would be willing to sue this woman in order to get her to stop making false claims about him. She has made some claims that you are plausible some that air something you know something seemingly outlandish. The problem is that there's no support basis. Yeah. For what Julie Maxwell herself has claimed is my understanding that the documents have been released. If are not just laying axles on testimony the documents have been released are people who have sued just like Maxwell, so their allegations against his lame axel. The party's gonna be interesting is when The government cut some sort of deal with his lame actual to tell the whole story. That's the part that I'm gonna be interested in. So far. She hasn't said a word is my understanding, Rob? Well going to work. There's reference to FBI having pictures or videos from the 2014 request for that. I don't know if that was just an inquiry that was actually based on fact. I don't know The answer that either Robert, I'll keep it on. And I mean, I think they went when she's lame. Actual actually starts to talk. The the amount of the amount of information it spills out of her is going to be rather extraordinary. That is, if she's not suicide it first. So you know We will see if Justin Maxwell makes it to the point where she can talk or if or if she is Jeffrey Epstein as well. Rob appreciate the call John in Seattle Young bench before John Morning band. I'm calling you from mostly peaceful Seattle, But I'm sure you probably saw the SPD chief had a home of hers up in Northern Washington. Had a bunch of protesters show up there last night. So somebody's giving out those addresses publicly. And I'm sure it was Sean..
"justin maxwell" Discussed on KNBR The Sports Leader
"Games in giants history with Marty on KNBR six eighty the support this is Marty Lori with another great game in Giants franchise history we're gonna go back to August sixteenth of twenty fifteen it's eighteen T. park it's a day game is a Sunday forty one thousand nine hundred for there to see a match up of Madison Bumgarner on the hill for the giants a lefty and Joe Ross a right hander for the Washington nationals now this is the fourth game of a four game series in the first game Vogelsong over Strasbourg the giants won a three to one the second game asphalt over shares giants win an eight to five and the third game Peavey over geo Gonzalez the giants win a twelve to six so here we are in Sunday Madison Bumgarner beautiful day in eighteen T. park against the Washington nationals as the giants go for the sweep here the lineups today Taylor render own Bryce Harper Escobar Zimmerman Desmond worth Rameau's and Joe Ross for the giants in twenty fifteen think back to these names blogroll Duffy belt Posey pants Crawford Justin Maxwell Kelby Tomlinson and Madison Bumgarner why some of those guys in the prime of their careers all right Washington as ME hits the first for only a walk to Jason Morris Mars the perfect performance so far of Madison Bumgarner and the giants forth a breakthrough block gets a base hit Duffy flies at the centre Posey grounds out to third and hunter pence comes up and knocks one over the wall in left field and the giants are up to nothing Homer number eight for hunter pence next hitters Brandon Crawford and hits the ball to the top of the wall in right field and we've heard that noise before they called a home run replays then invoked and they up held the call the empire it is a home run Crawford had said and the giants are up now three to nothing well in a giant fifth Tomlinson gets a basic Bumgarner gets a double in an R. B. I. the giants are now up for nothing that's been built go out and that is the end of the fifth inning Washington with only one hit as we move into the seventh inning Bumgarner now faces Casey Jansen and he hits one out from broader hits on.
"justin maxwell" Discussed on KNBR The Sports Leader
"As we look at another great game in giants franchise history. Chris this one we're going to go back to June ninth of twenty fifteen now giant pitchers right hand, Chris Heston, he's going against the Mets and city field that he's opposed by Noah Syndergaard. It's game one of three game series giants in the Mets and they face off in a night game. Twenty three thousand one hundred fifty five there at city field. The lineups in this one. For the giants. I o key panic begun Posey belt Crawford. Duffy Maxwell an Heston for the Mets Granderson to Hotta Duda. Kc flourish, lagaras, Campbell wrecker, and Syndergaard Chris Esten made his major league debut. Chris in twenty fourteen. In September thirteenth. Dodgers ninth inning losing have nothing. They put him in the game. And that's as major league career started. Here. He is June ninth at city field. The giants had very high hopes for Chris Heston Morty big guy wasn't overpowering but had the good sinker. That was a weapon they figured he could use to affective nece and through minor leaks. He displayed a lot of promise before he could make opening day rotation that year, he did not. But he was able to work this way into this start, and he was able to work his way into the history at the same time, but very special night is coming up. So here's the way it starts in the giants. I I he gets a base hit panic Basit first and third and Pagon feel this choice. Get some in. It's one to nothing the Mets. I listen takes a call third strike to hotter grounds out to third and Duda strikes out swinging the giants fourth they add onto the lead Posey a base hit belt strikes out. Offered a base hit first and second. Now Duffy lines out to shortstop but Maxwell member. Justin Maxwell gets a hit to load 'em up Heston singles, and I okay singles the giants up three nothing bases loaded. Two down the one one fastball grounded and through into left field base Posey into score around thirties proper. Here comes throw.
"justin maxwell" Discussed on The Dropout
"From the finger instead of having big needles. Stuck in your arm in tubes and tubes of blood taken out, but the article concluded, quote, precisely how theranos accomplishes all these amazing. Feats is a trade secret. Former theranos employees who quit out of disillusionment couldn't believe what they were reading. I fully expected the company to. To last maybe two years before running out of money and goodwill and running into the ground. So it was completely shocking. When we met Adam Volmer in episode one along with his work buddies, Justin Maxwell and Mike Bauer -ly they were watching from the sidelines is Elizabeth began popping up everywhere. They were starting to wonder did the company really turn things around when the whole like Forbes high profile media blitz kind of came around. And I remember like among this group being sort of having this moment of like where we wrong like. But at the same time like knowing we weren't wrong to we had this massive amount of skepticism thera now and actively turned away at least a habit isn't people who who were sitting jobs there and felt like a crazy person for for a good period of time there even veto Veniamin. Apple's former head of software and a former theranos board member was wondering what on earth was happening after all. All he'd raised serious concerns in walked away from theranos. Now, I'm reading the press. Now, I'm seeing things pop up inside of Walgreens. And I'm wondering maybe it finally works. But I'm still in my mind, remembering all these other things and saying, I still don't believe I still don't believe it. Avi was right in reality. At the peak of Elizabeth's fame theranos machines could only run about a dozen tests and with only questionable accuracy, just before theranos launched its first wellness center at a Palo Alto. Walgreens in September twenty thirteen they couldn't even get the technology to work. Here's Adam rose, indoor alab director at theranos. He's being questioned in a deposition about the many lab. Another word for the Edison. There are no blood testing device. When you're the mini lab was not working to me. It wasn't giving accurate results. But the fact the machines weren't functioning didn't seem to deter Elizabeth you're about three months away from going live in the patient setting. Did it concern you that a number of tests weren't working on thoroughness who's devices? I I know that we made mistakes, but we were trying to take this forward. And at that time thought that thought that we were doing. Realizing their own devices weren't going to cut it Elizabeth and sunny had found a shocking work around. There are no started buying and using blood testing machines from other companies by the time they were about to enter Walgreens it had already been going on for years. Listen to what sunny says in. This deposition point twenty ten is the first time it'd be bought the Siemens machines those Siemens machines with the same ones already in use it other lab testing companies as in their noses competitors. But neither their biggest partner. Walgreens, nor the public had any idea at that time we were told of the story and her vision for Serono's, and it was great. We thought there something really special is going to happen. So to capitalize on all the attention. She was getting Elizabeth called on one of the most exclusive advertising agencies in the country shy day, they created those iconic nineteen Eighty-four and think different apple campaign than you'll see why nine thousand nine hundred eighty four be like nineteen Eighty-four Elizabeth ever obsessed with apple wanted them to make her an icon on the same scale. Mike potato and stand. Fear ITO were on the shy at day team assembled to work with theranos. I recently met up with them at a studio in downtown Los Angeles, here's Mike by title was a magic supervisor. And what I was in charge of was helping to shepherd along communications. Or the Walgreens partnership Dr reach out and STAN I was a group account director. So I was the lead manager led the team and was the key client contact with Sonny Bomani for the first meeting Shaya day brought together group of its most senior executives at their offices in Los Angeles. These offices, by the way, are exactly what you'd picture ultra-modern totally distinctive industrial. The outside is bright yellow inside. There are trees growing through the floors and a coffee bar that feels like an art installation surrounded by surfboards Elizabeth and her number two sunny flew in for the meeting from Silicon Valley on a private jet, everyone from the the highest levels involved. And I remember seeing her through the glass, it'd be like who is this person. What is this this this this product? So it was the flick. Stature of everything felt very like, I don't know like a politician. Or like royalty. Was there like we were only out the red carpet? The team was taken with the theranos vision and like pretty much everybody. They were also struck by Elizabeth who made a dramatic first impression. I mean, the first thing if you ever mean, Elizabeth that you've noticed is her voice. It's extraordinarily deep. It's it sound ten like it was she was a man or a robot or both a man robot. And so you were kind of struck so demeanor why she carried herself like a highly educated highly intelligent person, which she is. And you know, you're struck by her her very measured way of talking and responding to you, and it did feel as Mike said almost like a very, well, polished politician. And apparently, Elizabeth in sunny were equally taken with Shaya day stances theranos, eventually inked a six million dollar retainer with the agency which later increased to a staggering eleven million dollar agree. Here's Recode's CARA. Swisher on that. That's a lot of money for marketing. I'm always wary. When people do a lot of marketing same thing with office furniture. The offices are too nice. I always like I wonder what's going on here. As word got around about this secretive new client everyone wanted in. I think the vision of wanting to change the world. I mean that was the vernacular that was used was just like changed the world that was really attractive to the type of person that worked at work work, dick tie it. So a lot of people were raising their hands to work on it. We have so many people that were I wanna I wanna work on this. I this is the type of work that I always wanted to do in my career, but it wasn't long before stances things. Started getting weird for starters. Elizabeth would fall off the Grint she'd go dark for a month. And when you say she'd go dark were you trying to reach her. And then she was just unreachable known tell you what was going on. Yes. Is that typical not given the ambition and the desire. To move quickly. And then be completely unresponsive was odd. Very odd us there were other strange behaviors standing Mike say they witnessed. Well, there was one instance where we went up to Palo Alto. And we were trying to get copy approved for the website. And she didn't want to have that conversation on. She was really excited about showing us these little crocheted finger puppets. If you will. And they were for potentially for children after they got their finger prick that they would give these away, and it was like talking to thirteen year old girl how excited she was. And she talked in a different tone of voice. It was interesting. Oh, she was using a different voice in this. The inflection was a little bit different. Yeah. It was a little bit more. Like, I said it was child like a little bit stands job was also to manage sunny. And he says sunny didn't make it easy. So you and sunny got to know each other pretty well as well as anybody could get to know sunny, guess, we couldn't find much information about his background. So it was we weren't sure. Besides a few things that we found on the internet. We weren't really sure what he was all about. So I think the behavior for me around him was his emphatic discussion around what the product does. And why it does what it does. And why we shouldn't ask for any more information. And that what seemed odd to me? It was that he didn't have any training as a doctor. He didn't have any training running labs yet. We try to get to those answers. He became almost angry that we'd even ask the question. And that's what was really bizarre to us. How are they about paying their bills? Nls terrible. We couldn't get him to pay on time still Mike and his team were busy working on the creative. They wanted to be in over two thousand Walgreens stores at a really short timeframe, which which put a lot of pressure on Mike was working out of the retail work to get the retail work done. Just everything was based on this tiny drop of blood. So we wanted to make that a big portion of the of of the brand was we wanted to have really strong human portrait's where you really looking into their into their eyes. The work. They were producing was vivid and powerful in one sign you see a child with big blue eyes, a quizzical look on his face across it in bold, type it reads goodbye, big bad needle everything that we did every piece of communication had a feel like he felt the importance of of the mission even something like a little sign was hanging down from one Walgreens and Paolo Alto. It had it had that gravitas that felt like this is something big. But before they could unveil the campaign to the public shy at day had to make sure every claim Elizabeth and sunny were making could actually be proven and that wasn't easy. I mean there were specific claims like the four hour claim that was like you can't say that unless it's four hours hundreds of tests on one drop was an interesting one because if you wanna say hundreds of tests on one single drop that it has to be hundreds of tests on one single drop no in beginning. And you have to be able to prove that. That's how you do the test. You have to be able to do it. Then not in ten years. Not in five years. You have to be able to do it, then they amended the copy in forged ahead, but things got more bizarre.
"justin maxwell" Discussed on The Dropout
"People this made on a really nervous. There were patients who are third and fourth stage on college cancer patients at the university of Tennessee that had given up their basically their blood to test this device we had gotten word from Adam Volmer who was mechanical engineer working on the internal mechanism for the device that light was seeping in and with light seeping in corrupted the blood too. Elementary data thus corrupting data that was a very unfortunate situation. And as it turned out like we had all this various sensitive chemistry that of people were working on. And it could be as precise as you wanted. But if you screwed up the introduction of the blood into this cartridge it was game over you would get a wildly wrong result. Right. But I think we all knew from where we sat that like, it seemed like we were very long way away from having a working product are going into the study fell utterly premature relatives where we were at. They just weren't like we weren't generating reliable reproducible data. These employees didn't know the test results wouldn't impact the actual treatments given to these cancer patients and would just be for research purposes. Elizabeth kept that detail for most theranos employees regardless they hated making such vulnerable people, Guinea pigs. Did you raise the red flag? Did you internally say? Say I think this is a problem that sort of feedback just went like. Generally ignored Dr enough cycles dot it just felt like there were people like myself and others who disagreed with a lot of these decisions and just being. Overlooked again, we gun on a confronted Elizabeth to that information was suppressed, and so I said I'm going to take this Elizabeth directly and have a conversation with her of which I did. And she basically conveyed to me that I should not intervene that this is an incredibly critical juncture in the company's current fundraising. And I was like that's unacceptable from unethical perspective, I just cannot stomach it, and I confronted her with this information, and she gave me an ultimatum suppress it and continue on business as usual or I said I was resigning and I decided to resign nights slipped. My resignation letter underneath or door and under the head of HR is door. And I left for home. She inevitably found out that I had resigned. And she frantically tried calling me I would not take her phone calls. I just literally had nothing. I wanted to do with that company anymore on his departure left. Her former recruits stunned on just said, you know, Elizabeth is lying. She told everyone that tech in this situation worked and it didn't work at all. And I'm going to go be a fulltime chef for my family. Sounds like a pretty big one eighty. Yeah. But soon they'd be out the door to Justin sent Elizabeth to management books and a pretty epic letter of resignation. Do you mind? Reading starting on that second paragraph. Hi, I'm resigning. Good luck. And please do read those books watch the office and believe in the people who disagree with you. I wish I could say better things. But I think you know, exactly what is going on at their theranos lying disgusting habit, and it flows through the conversations here like it's our own currency. But I really. Truly believe you know, it already and for some reason I can't figure out you allow it to continue. I feel like oh, you this bad attempt at an exit interview since we have no HR to officially record it Justin Maxwell years later. Justin would see her just one more time. Yeah. There was this point in. I think two thousand twelve and I was standing in a CVS covered it in my own blood. Having just been hit by a car, and I turn and I was picking up like vicodin or something and Elizabeth's right behind me. She's like, hi, Justin, totally regardless of the fact that obviously just been hit by a car. I was on a bike. And she she just says, you know, we'd really would really benefit from having you in the company right now. You know, shame that things turned out the way that they did or whatever just like, okay? It's really good seeing you Elizabeth thank. So I didn't think knowledge in any way. No. There was just like you would just been hit by a car. No. It was it was so. On a certain AVI ran into the same problems with trust. He says he started to raise issues when it was proposed that their nose transfers some stock into a nonprofit foundation that might sound innocuous. But basically, it would give Elizabeth even more control over the company because by controlling the phone there. She would've voted control the shares. Void didn't make any sense to me. And it wasn't that big a deal in the grand scheme of things. Oh than it. Didn't make any sense word got back to her. I think that I raised an objection to this. And I think this is this was the last straw for her. And for me word got back to Elizabeth through Don Lucas that board member you heard from before who wants helped Larry Ellison get his start then. Elizabeth goes dark on me. And Don Lucas called me. So went to visit him, and he said, you know, Elizabeth would like you to resign from the board cutting to the chase. He literally said too many questions by this point AVI was irritated and seriously question many claims Elizabeth and theranos had made. And it was like, oh, something is very wrong here all these promises. None of them have happened. All these people involved, they're all gone and nothing even lined up. And so. I pull this all together. All this information together printed it all I said, Don, okay. I'm gonna give you choice. I think that there is a chance this company can make this product work, and I would love to stick around with you and help you to make it work. And we probably need to revisit how Lisbeth rule and everything else and do a few few things I'm happy to stick around and do that. Or if you want all resign twice. He said I want you to resign. It was like out of a movie, and there's the prized that he said I'd like for you to resign.
"justin maxwell" Discussed on The Dropout
"That. Elizabeth kept successfully recruiting from Apple's ranks poaching several of honest, former colleagues, so where are we right now, we're at Kupa cafe in Palo Alto. This is where you would meet Elizabeth this is where we met. Elizabeth this is where. But for people outside of Silicon Valley, this is a place where tech people would come in chat about big news. They still have. I think there's a reputation with this place that like things happen here deals your conversations happen. So it fits like a never, right? It's like fits into that story somewhere over there. There's a forty million dollar check. On his old apple colleagues, Justin Maxwell and Adam Fulmer soon came on board along with Mike Bauer Lee whose wife had worked at apple with both of them. So would you call yourselves buddies work, buddies? Oh, yeah. For sure Mike injustice, worked on honest team designing the Edison and other products software. So Justin starting with you. What made you take the offer on and others involved in my recruiting having hyped it up so much. I had just gone in there with this expectation that I was meeting brilliance. And so that thinking that I was meeting the next Steve Jobs next is after Burg something like that. That just created this impression of I was in awe of this person's drive. So for me, this was something that could make a positive dent on humanity. Adam was an engineer generally. I was like, yeah. This is somebody I want to come work for we wanted to see her become that Bill later like everybody wants to work for the next few jobs. It wasn't long before they started to see they were designing something in the apple style for technology that really didn't exist. Like there was an overall feeling of like, we have absolutely no need for apple designers here that didn't make sense at first. But then as we started to learn from people saying the tech doesn't work or the scientists matching up then we understood right? That's why you don't want us here. It's not because you don't like us as people is that like we actually can't provide value to this company right now, if the under the foundation isn't working on top of that they say Elizabeth arranged things. So that everyone was purposely silo, and they were sworn to secrecy to protect what Elizabeth felt were trade secrets, but it was like the left hand. Didn't know what the right. Hand was doing. I would be on Mike are managing. It was like actively kind of trying to foster this competition or I don't know how a complete distrust for the organization that she'd built under her. But despite this chaos, she even managed to poach offi Tavini in from apple. He was Steve Jobs right hand at the company. He led the software team that developed MAC OS ten obviously, even in the Steve Jobs movie like this. I'll be today's our chief softwares, and he wrote a demo program is likely built a great car. We haven't built the engine. We put a golf cart battery in there to make a gopher a little bit, AVI. Joined the board in two thousand six but quickly got frustrated with what he was seeing. I think what you didn't expect was I would actually ask a lot of questions and that if things weren't going as they should be going that I would ask tough questions. How would she respond when you would ask tough? Questions. You know, she was really good at I would say deflecting them. So it was generally probably I would say more of a non answer or a evasive answer. Which is we don't have the contract right now. Maybe I can get that for you later things like that. He wasn't the only one confused by the company. It seemed like employees were being hired and fired really quickly. Here's Justin Elizabeth did a great job of recruiting amazing people. I would watch those people that I trusted disappear. Our office was right next to the general counsel and the head of business development. Both of them were people had tremendous admiration for they were extremely sharp and knew the industry, very well. And they just vanished. And then I think like two weeks after I started the CFO was just like promptly fired or disappeared. Right. And. That was disconcerting on them theranos is chief design architect notice the same thing should do not want to hear other people's opinions. She wanted positive results. I think that you know, anyone who basically told Elizabeth no now disagreed with her perspective and point of view, you were immediately terminated it was just a very unusual environment. Yeah. There were posts to glass doors website from employees wear. They acquitted it to a South American dictatorship or a drug cartel. How would you describe the culture of their in house? Justin. I watching people that I really trusted vanish. And then actually noticed thing that this person is willing to lie to me about extremely trivial unimportant things. And how do you know? She lied. Oh, because we were discussing some product design over Email, and she was expecting me to stay in the office late to finish it up. And she's said something the fact of you know, like I can't I can't help without right now. But I will get back to you when I'm in the office tomorrow, and she was actually just in an office right down the hall from me, and you could see her sending you. So I walked over to her and had a bit of an argument with her and then walked back to my office. And she stormed after me came in and shut the door behind me and said don't ever walk off on me again. But did she acknowledge that she had lied to you? Of course, not and things went beyond. What implies say it was casual lying just as Elizabeth had convinced the apple recruits to come aboard to design a product for technology that didn't yet exist. She was trying to sell a product to big pharma that wasn't ready. One incident was particularly troubling to Ana Elizabeth had convinced a major drug company to let their nose test. It's technology on terminal cancer patients in a study in Tennessee, really vulnerable people