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Tales From 2 AM, Part 1: It's so hard to say goodbye to Steelers yesterday

Behind the Steel Curtain

20:09 min | 2 weeks ago

Tales From 2 AM, Part 1: It's so hard to say goodbye to Steelers yesterday

"Pittsburgh steeler fans in. it's time once again for tales from two a m. My name is brian. Anthony davis i am so glad to be here with you on this show. This is going to be a great week. In steeler nation as the steelers are about to welcome. Let's say right now. Eight count them eight new players and it is coming up only days away when we are recording. The show is sunday morning. And i cannot wait so we were having some trouble with the sound to start the show. It looks like i'm hoping that as back up and if somebody can let me know on the live chat if it is okay with a thumbs up. That would be fantastic. So what we're doing is we're going to get ready for the draft. We're gonna talk about that. We've been talking about the draft like crazy. That's that's what you wanna talk about. Probably gonna talk a little bit less about the draft on this show today. And i don't think anybody would mind a little departure from that and please excuse me unshaven. Usually i like to shave before the show and get ready. I spent a weekend with the With my boy scout troop in the woods. Camping out in a frigid frigid rainstorm. So we i am back. And i figured that i'm roughing it with you guys today so i usually don't take that. I really make sure that. I look pretty good. Sorry i got. I got a little luster there. Sorry my good friend ryan lynn bugler says he sucks anyways by. Yeah i guess. I do so Ryan thanks for the kind words and have a great day. I hope you do. I hope you get find something better to do with your time and i appreciate it so anyways so as we're doing here we're looking at what the weak the week was and we're looking forward to the draft but something big happened in the week that was for the pittsburgh steelers in it didn't happen directly to our team. It happened to our great rivals. The baltimore ravens did it again and they drive me crazy because ozzie newsome was there. He's now gone. Eric decosta's there is the gm and their wizards they do things. Like crazy there to get more picks to get players all the time. This time they got rid of a player. They got rid of pro bowl. Right tackle orlando brown son of the late. Zeus brown who also played for the Ravens and the browns way back. When in i gotta tell you. This is a trade that they made with the kansas city chiefs. Who desperately need help on that offensive line. They send them to them for. What i think is a king's ransom back when the native americans got fleeced by the us. Look we weren't the us ed but fleeced by us to purchase manhattan for twenty four dollars. That might be a better deal than what the kansas city chiefs the chances kansas city chiefs gave up everything so the ravens have a first round pick. They have three other picks now. They're giving giving away their second round pick. But they're getting in the third round. Pick this year too but it seems like they gave a lot and because of that trade. What's going to happen now. The ravens another left tackle now. They were right tackle. whatever they're doing. I mean you have the health of their big left. Tackle already to look at who went down in the steeler game last year last on november. First so that's something to go ahead and look at but they might bring in all hundred illinois waiver. Here's the thing all hundred villain waiver win. The steelers found out that he was visiting last week. The ravens the steelers but the sealer feigns. Some of you were up in arms about it. Some of you were really upset. How could he do it. We had one of our guys from slack channel. Somebody here is would he even possibly consider going there. The guy doesn't have a job the steelers unless there's something we don't know it's killers having offered him a job so he's a free agent with no prospect. I mean doesn't know what he's doing in the fall unless he wants to retire. Obviously he has not put in retirement papers so he probably wants to stick around in the league so my question is this. Why is it so bad if he's wearing purple next year when we're not offering him anything in black and gold so that's what i'm thinking here. I hope he ends up as a baltimore raven because once a steeler always a steeler in when we let you go when we show you the door and you still wanna play. Go get a job. This is about your family. Get a job. And if it's with the ravens. Hey it's our loss their game whether we're not talking about how he's gotten older and maybe his skills have deteriorated. That's not what we're talking about here. We're talking about the fact that we can't expect a player not to get another job elsewhere. So that's that's what. I'm thinking so just like i said with bud dupree. I will stand up and i will clap for him when he runs into that stadium. Out of the tunnel wearing tennessee. Blue white and red and silver and all those colors so that is that is the big thing here so you can't be upset. If big al is a raven i would cheer for him to for all the services that he had here. He was great he. He did his own thing as timothy says he hasn't officially signed yet. Not until after the draft. But you know you know how things happened and we saw with tyson a lulu thing to what if the steelers and of not getting an offensive tackle in the draft. We talked about this recently if the steelers were signing them we would signing him. We would think that they were going to sign him after the draft. What if they don't get what they want in. They go for another position and they go to him and say hey instead of going to baltimore we'll give you this or will match it and he wants to come back. Just like tyson a lulu. We should just happened. You know that could possibly happen to but let's not go to guy for leaving especially when it's really we'd offer him a chance to come back or at least so we think that's what i'm saying so i know it would stink the semen black and purple. But i'm not thinking about the player. I'm thinking about the man and the man and his family so that's what i'm hoping. Now we have some other things here too in. Wow i see. I see a very close family friend in the live. Chat so nice to see you here. Great to see the first time. I've seen the live chat. Nice to see you. I gotta tell ya the steelers or looking good in this draft. No matter where they go they can the can screw up shore. I just don't really think they're going to screw this draft up because if they don't get the guy that you think they should get they know who they're getting so if they don't get a running back in the first round they're gonna get the center or the left tackle or maybe a corner because corners up there as well not just because of the justin lane thing don't think they were looking at the corner way before just lane when eighty nine and a sixty stay in the right lane. Justin lane bad joke. We call lust and jane here because jeff hartmann mentioned him on one show back in the fall and we didn't want to mention his name and he He got all up in arms about the fact that jeff was talking about him not being ready to start in the second year as far as that goes so with justin lane being arrested. I don't think it's going to change their their draft picture whatsoever. If they're going to draft a corner high in a we talked about them. Drafting a corner high with steven nelson god and with the shohei. Dan getting up there in years and having one year left on his contract now he can still be extended. They can still do something like that. But i think justin is going to change the draft order but if we get back to the fact that if they get a center in the first round they're going to get the running back in maybe not the second is i don't think she wanted williams's falling. Let's say maybe the third or the fourth they're going to bring in running back talent they're going to bring in a center. It might not be the guy you want might not be create humphrey and it might not be a left tackle right away but you're going to get him. You're going to get those guys in that mix. So that's kind of what's gonna happen. Don't worry about drafting corners timothy. Colman i see. I i get it. Haven't had the greatest looking and drafting corners. There's been a few there. Keenan lewis was a good pick in the third round in ninety nine another good. Pick william gay in the fifth round in one thousand nine hundred seven. Excuse me two thousand two thousand seven two thousand nine. My gosh. i'm having trouble with my decades here. Must be sleeping in a tent for the last two days so yeah we already burned situation. Remember already birds that thing. They went completely against what rick hoover saying here. Rick hoover says draft the epa in this draft. Yes and i agree with you and the bpa could be one of those guys. Do not draft the position so whatever they draft. They're going to draft the best but they're going to get the best player available in the second round the third round and the kind of already burns situation. He was the sixth corner. Taken in the two thousand sixteen draft they would have waited another okay. What they pick him twenty five. They waited another thirteen picks xavi and howard who was almost defensive player of the year last year. Behind t. j. watt. In of course the winner. Aaron donald but they did not get william jackson the third cincinnati took him right before they picked. They had their heart set on this guy. And what do they do. they panicked. They don't normally do that if you look at. Who they draft. They don't really panic that way. So what happened there like okay. We gotta get a corner. We liked this already burns guy. They took him. It was just the wrong move but if you look back in the last twenty years of drafting i could count less on one hand on one hand but maybe about four times been love the pick that they made in that. It didn't work out. And if you do it i mean right away. We're saying sixteen because we're seeing already burns. We're going to say thirteen because of jarvis jones. We're not saying eighteen yet. You know that. The i mean the jury still out. Terrell edmonds could have ten year career here. He hasn't done anything horrible. He just has not been a first ballot hall of famer. He hasn't been pro bowler but he's a great complement to mika fitzpatrick. And it's working. I know minka wasn't there when they drafted him. So everybody's split on terrell admins. But you know they might offer him that fifth round tender. We just know what's going to happen. There sean davis. I consider him drafting a safety and they've they've had some luck with safeties so he came out as as a safety tim so i'm probably going to not mention him there. I like how big boing boing boom sorry boom says. Edmonds is not a boss. He's not minka but is also not mike mitchell. Jordan bausch versus sutton. Hey they gave sutton another contracts. So let's let's kind of one of the things that you really can't say but look look at this the teams that get the great corners. The teams that get jalen ramsey their draft. In these guys high. The steelers were in the top ten. The top fifteen now. I agree what i'm saying here is not going to your change. How they evaluate talent and you know getting a guy in the second round the third round. I it but if you're going to get that blockbuster corner you're gonna have to get them early. Just like a quarterback. You wanna get a quarterback in the first twelve picks just like i really think you wanna get a corner. The first twelve picks. There's some good guys out there. If they decide that they're okay. With the back issues of caleb farley. They're going to draft caleb farley. But that's weird. Because he might fall. You might follow them. Then they've got a. They've got to make a decision at that point. What if a guy. Like patrick 'certain the second false i. He's not going to. I doubt what if he does. If he's there they they'll probably take him he'd be a great value but the thing about it they can't they can't get somebody at twenty four and expect him to be amazing at corner. He could be good he could be solid. There's there's those guys that end up working out. But what i'm saying here is. It's just like a quarterback position corner quarter. You've got to get those guys early. When ben roethlisberger fell in their lap remember. They weren't expecting to get ben. Roethlisberger everybody in pittsburgh and that was one draft that i was twenty four seven coverage and just as a fan i was all over and we. If you don't remember. We were reserved for the fact that philip rivers was going to be the next quarterback of the pittsburgh steelers. There was no doubt in anybody's mind. Then eli manning happened. Ally said no san diego so they make that deal but they knew that san diego valued rivers over rothlisburger. And i think a lot of that has to do with the just. They were six years removed from the debacle. That was another manning draft manning going number one to andy in one thousand nine hundred ninety eight and ryan leaf going number two to san diego. Ryan leaf reminded. Excuse me ben. Rothlisberger reminded some people of ryan leaf during the draft process in. I you know. I don't have confirmation on this. I just know in my mind. That that's what san diego's thinking so they valued rivers did not want ralph's burger. Rothlisberger fell to number eleven. That's kind of the way that you wanna get those quarterbacks early in that same draft. The buffalo bills traded up to get jp lows men so he was the fourth quarterback on the boat kind of a stretch in you know what when you stretch for a guy like that doesn't work out so that the trade up workout so you wanna get the good ones so this year. We're talking about a quarterback people say. Hey maybe the steelers could take quarterback. You don't want them to take one at twenty four you wanna trade up to get one if they're going to do it because a lot of those guys are going to be god and then you settle just like. He did with artie birds. So that's what. Bpa means now i to go back to one more thing about players falling into your lap. The ones you don't expect to be there in the best example is a story from one thousand nine hundred nineteen seven. Tony dungy was the defensive coordinator for the steelers at the time and he goes to chuck knoll and he says you want to send me to purdue to check out rod woodson we know all about 'em but why are we wasting our time chuck. We shouldn't even go. He's never going to be there for us at number ten. So what happens. He falls to him. They snatch them up. Tony's like i'm shocked. I never thought he'd be there. It fell in their lap. Those kind of things can happen to so all. All's i'm saying you struggled with rod woodson. You struck cold with bit. Ben roethlisberger those guys fall some. You're not always going to strike gold but if you listen to dave scofield's staticky from a couple weeks back. I believe we can half ago. He he talks about the best player. The best teams in drafting overall in the last twenty. Some years the best team in the afc drafting is not the new england patriots and they used career average value from pro football reference. And it's the pittsburgh steelers. The best team in the league was new orleans saints. I think the short was in there to in detroit's Hasn't had a a great record. So you that's that's one of the things we look at here. So i tell you what we talked about. All andre villanueva possibly becoming a baltimore raven and we're going to not really talk about that but we're gonna talk about players when we come back after the break that left the steelers and broke your heart and we're going to do that right after the break here on. C. it's tales from two a m.

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AP Laboratory - Episode 43

Arrowhead Pride

47:35 min | 2 years ago

AP Laboratory - Episode 43

"Down. What's up everybody? Thanks for joining us today. Swanson on the lead the draft, endless for airway pride. This is the AP laboratory closing out your week here. And we got we got a little bit to talk about today. I've joined as always by my co hosts fight him on Twitter at chief and Carolina. We'll start with him Mattie, laid Hello, my friend. What's going on? Can't your beard has not grown since when we last recorded. We are wearing matching royals gear. So that's kind of cool man. We had on the straight out of Kaufman tank on well Craig's, not wearing royals gears. Carolina gear. There's probably a soccer team named the royals that he would be more likely to wear than the Kansas City barley hop on Twitter. He's also here with us. Love is just taking over hosting duties when he didn't feel like kids, moving it along quick enough. He just he just naps right in there. Slowly nudging me out. I better get this out of the way I before Matty, does, if you like the show, depreciation views. That'd be great. It's a helps the show it helps show get farther reach. It's apparently a good thing. So we would definitely appreciate that. Guys have been doing a good job at doing that. We appreciate all of them that have been. I took a day and a lot of guys gals. Everybody's out there doing it. It's great. So please keep that up. If anybody much five star review of by their code, we will make Craig read it live on our next podcast because he can't in fact, read binary as we found out earlier this week. Yeah. It's, it's just one of the many things that create can do fun thing about Craig's some of his charting last year for, you know, the defensive stuff he built an app for it. This isn't a joke. He built an app to chart, Bob Sutton's defense will he was the originator of the advocates. So it's not surprising that he can build some form of. That was really good. God legit laugh out of me that, that's pretty. They were all really good. I I was very funny. What we wanted to do today. Is we kind of wanted to do something a little different this week? We wanted to give the chiefs a mulligan. And the mulligan, we get to choose what happens with that mulling and so basically take any off season move. The chiefs have made to this point. And we're going to take turns changing one thing now the reality of it is, you change one thing, there's a domino effect so things get a little bit out of hand after that. But I think we all kind of have some pretty strong scenarios here that, that we think would make a lot of sense just to make sure that I'm breaking up my length of conversation because if I keep talking mad he's gonna get on me for being the new Matt lane. Craig, I would like you to kind of present your mulligan. And in kind of where this whole thing took you the one rule that we have with this thing is you cannot Adnew money. So you can't Adnew dollars to this got to be within the same financial resources. Right. And so that means it, I can't just go out of my way here and sign Bradley Roby to join this team in free agency, and call it quits there because I would have to come up with ten million dollars in caps base in order to make that happen. That is currently being used there. And I think with this kind of scenario, we're just kind of trying to look if to this point we would have done things differently. Maybe they have that your money earmarked for other things we don't know. We think that they probably have another move up their sleeves, but, and we should probably get this podcast out before June first, because it might happen, after I which is why the perfect time to do it. But trying to do do something differently within the. Resources that have already been utilized. So craig. Go ahead kick us off. Yeah. My move that I would make an early on in the process in free agency. I would go out of my way to try and put a competitive offer in front of Bryce Callahan cornerback. He's currently in Denver his cap number four. This year is four point two million dollars. That means I have to move on from at least four point two million dollars in order to do that. I'm moving on from the salary of Daniel Sorensen I and. Yeah. And I am also moving on from sabre Xavier Williams to do that. Both of those guys are guys that I think are definite roster potential there. I think that they can both make the roster. They can both play as depth pieces. But neither one of those guys is going to make the same sort of impact as Bryce Callahan. Ken Bryce Callahan, is more of a slot corner. He's a shorter guy. He's not going to be a guy that you're going to stick out there and really, you know, oh you gonna lockdown. Cornerback one now but it gives the chiefs a little more flexibility. Yes. Can't. I was gonna ask, how does that manifest itself with with smaller corners, like kindle fuller in Bryce, Kellyanne on the field, so you might have been going there? That's exactly where I was going wide receivers in the NFL aren't necessarily going to these towering, you know, guys anymore. They were at one point. But now it seems to be more predicated on smaller quicker, route runners good hands Bryce Callahan is a guy that you can stick out there and trust. He's going to be able to do that. And even if you're just signing him to be a future slot corner. Maybe you push kindle fuller outweighed, I don't think I would I would rather play Callahan outside, but even if you did that you've got another body under contract with talent four twenty twenty four twenty twenty one it makes your overall cornerback group much better. And you got rid of the cost of basically two guys that are going to be depth. Pieces in with Colin Saunders. On the roster. Now, you still make the same draft pick moves here with Colin Sanders on the roster Xavier Williams becomes a little less important. Yeah. With one Thornhill on the roster. Dan Thornton becomes a little less important. So undoing my work in free agency. And I'm trying to move on from those two guys to add a cornerback that can start. And then maybe you don't even have to go out of your way to do shod and or he's cornerback four. And that makes your entire cornerback group better. That's a cheap valuable cornerback for in my position. Earn my opinion. That's good. That's song. Yeah. Or, or he beats out know various ward, and then you're paying various ward, pennies to be your cornerback for that's that's you're in a good situation much better situation at the quarterback group than you were, you know, in the current realm of where the chief stand, I still get a little nervous about having all slot quarterbacks kind of in that regard. You have relent and fuller in Cal. Mahan all better in the inside. But it's still better situation. You're now in kind of a little under the radar thing. We don't know how this new pass interference. Reviewable stuff is gonna be out this year. Maybe having Waller shiftier outside corners, not relying on their physicality strength. Lot scrimmage may be something that works out in your favor. Maybe it doesn't I'm not sure but it also gives you that long term control. And that you can keep Callahan next year and you're not stuck having to keep kindle fuller because you have nobody else. The other part was the figures on Bryce Callahan. This. He makes four point two year one and eight point three for years two and year three. I mean, that's, that's a reason the three year deal act and age twenty eight twenty nine thirty so you get. Yes, a solid solid deal for him. And like Matty, said, you are going to be a little less physical. Maybe you can be high pointed at the catch point a little bit more. That's why you keep various word on the roster. He still has us because a lot of the teams that the chiefs are going to play. You're probably not going to see that towering wide receiver very often. And in those situations, you can put ward into long teams quick throw in fades, then you're going to begin to go. Oh, hey, analytic say you don't need to throw fades anymore. So don't even run them just eliminate them. Route trees one through eight now. Let's not get started on that. That's, that's an entirely separate four podcasts on its own. So, yeah, there's there's no way that ends well. For anyone Mattie. Give me your scenario. Gimme your mulligan on this off season. So months scenario has a lot more repercussions. It's longer. Chain-reaction was, so we're gonna try to keep it into short pieces discussing after I to cutting Dan Sorenson nothing against him. He just makes more money than I think the guy's gonna be worth the team. I don't see that sheafs carrying five safeties. And I just think that Lucas into watts are going to provide more as backup safeties than Sorenson is given their price point. So so we can go. He saves me about two point seven million dollars this year. I'm using that money and the next hundred I'm fabricating nowhere for this debate here can't to signed Philip door, set wide receiver. He signed for two point quiz shaking your head over there. He signed the patriots for just a lot of thousand dollars more dust, no big deal two hundred thousand dollars. Awards. I would save by cutting Danes cutting. Save your village out to no matter. You have to cut you have to cut, Cody Thompson. Because I said, so why can't I catch them all save more money? Anyway. Thompson. No, I'm cutting cuss. No. Can't do it. I'm creating new rule. It's done. Oh, please. The draft rolls around now. And now when my picking the second rose up, I don't have to panic in trade up from coal Hartman, because I already have the exact same player on the roster. In Philip door set. I had the fast guide as run routes catches. Okay. I guess already have him. I don't need him draft him now. So I don't trade up. I stay Pat. I draft. He came at calf now having these two wide. Receivers Metcalf may not be a super need seeming. I just brought in somebody. But here's the thing, he still downfield threat. He can still get vertical. And he gives me a wide receiver for next year. Then my draft stays the same still take him Thornhill, Colin Saunders. And now have this fifth round pick the play with one of mine do this fifth round pick. We're going back to the cornerback. Well, we don't need another safety. We're taking Corey Ballantyne. I know he did get shot unfortunately shortly after the draft. But he's gonna be okay. Just give me a good athlete. A tier one athlete if I recall eighty one. Yes, while tier one athlete at the cornerback position. Give me this guy. Let him get molded by Dave merit by Sam Madison just get him on my team. Let him fight the Shaun Fenton and tremend- Smith and Mark Fields for this kind of see before five spot take him to your wing get more talent in the building at cornerback. And again, we already picked up that fast wide receiver in Philip door, set that we got by saving Daniel Sorensen, who says, no can't. No one. But I still think you should have had to cut Cody Thompson just because. And now that he's K on the roster. He doesn't need Cody Thompson, NEC. That's what I. Shin. I don't need all Custos, because all he does is be big run vertical that's decay Metcalf coating Thompson is entirely different type of wide receiver. You're not wrong. I think Cody Thompson has more special teams value. But I really just wanted to see you have to cut your son, and you strong. So I mean that's my mulligan. Sorensen's out hartman's out Philip door, set decay, Metcalf, corbala tided, that seems like a big win to me trade value. But I also would have taken at upstream, let's, let's posit this, since we're since we're on this theory. And, and we got a little time to work with here. What are your expectations with Corey Ballantyne year? One. Not much. I think he's developmental. I think he needs some work. So, yeah. He's like he's that trim on Smith role. I think you can get him on special teams play. And you might play him one or two weeks later in the year to deal with injuries or unfortunate circumstances to get snaps. But he's a guy you're looking at for your two three down the line. And I think he has a better developmental Pedder path to success as a cornerback tremend- Smith died. They both have really good athletic profiles in obviously months. Smith. Provide some value in the return game. For what it's worth tramonte myth was a tier three in his three cone was awful really off that up. That's not you're not wrong his long speed was released. Yes. But he, he was tier three due to his three come Valentine's west Mead senior bowl because he kinda showed up. He looked very outclass that first day, but he got his feet under him. He kind of settled into where he was in just. Better each and every day. So yet it might take your it might not be till later in the year, but I liked the bringing him into the team. I think his upside is higher than overshot fitting. So I want a higher upside cornerback on this team coming out of the straffed or off season. And unfortunately the draft stint phone great for the chiefs to make that move. So I fixed wide receiver. I feel like with the Metcalf Philip door set providing that vertical threat and then getting that extra corner in the buildings all expensive. Daniel Sorensen who get like the guy he's a great Blitzer. I just don't getting that many snaps this year. So you're, they've got a logjam and safety. I mean they do they've got young cheap options there. Like it makes too much sense. I don't think Daniel Sorensen's on the fifty three when it's also done. I just I think that he has value still though, that that's the problem with this. I think he's a guy that maybe they could dangle as a trade candidate. Maybe because they don't need to cut him. I just don't know. And I, I think this is a. Situation where they hold onto him and let the process play out same with Tano pass. I mean like some of these guys like they might Daniela and then choose to move on from him. Or maybe they try to get one of these, you know, like. Parker airing Gert back chart various war. You are we sure to. Tato pass new kit being bring back a flyer some team that links the length and says, I can figure she's swords though is like we've talked about. It's a crowded safety room in eighteen knows. You're not moving on from Honey badger. They know you're not moving on from Thornhill or watts. Most likely, I mean, it wouldn't be too crazy to have a second year day, three picket moved on from. But I don't think it's happening. So then it's Jordan Lucas, Daniel Sorensen. And I mean, maybe the team does like Sorenson more, but they actively chose to pay George Lucas more money to stay this year. So if you're another team looking at it like you can't sit there and thank chiefs are about to keep all of those safeties, you gotta think someone's coming out so third looking for a trade partner at all if you're another team, just sit and wait to someone's gotta be cut loose, especially I will don't play three safety's very often right now. And I'll at and I'll add to that it might I believe George, Lucas money, you can cut him with zero dollars dead. That's. I believe I'm gonna have to double check that. But he signed a tender. I believe I believe that there's no. Is that right? Yes. Looks to be Caruso, it might and I think I think George Lucas is settled in a little bit over two. Is that right? Yeah. Two point zero two five. He actually only save six hundred thousand dollars less than Daniel Sorensen. Right. Right. So it could adversely V just come out and mentioned Honey badger Sorenson and watches all more of box type safeties playing close to Leonard shrinkage. The only guy that he's mentioned deep store in hill. And you saw last yet, that's where Lucas was definitely Lucas. Lucas deep to he he mentioned Lucas deep to as well. So he has talked about Lucas, as a deep guy. And I think if you're going to play if you're gonna if you're gonna put him on that little tender. I think you have a plan for him. You want him you wanna bring him and keep him on the roster. I think that'll be fascinating. I say this from from Mattie standpoint I don't know. Not that I'm picking it apart because I kind of like what, what he did there for the future? I just don't know how much those moves help this year. I if you're looking at it, how much do those individual moves help this year, met cat receiver got a lot better? Where was it? Did get a less setter. But it's looking it's looking more and more like maybe. Maybe tyreek hill is gonna play sooner rather than later, like he's, I think is pretty well. I think we're all of the opinion that he's playing at least the back half in the playoffs. Like I think you'll be eligible for that. So with that, improv that becomes a logjam at wide receiver now that it's a bad thing again for the future. But it makes it makes the miekel pick a little worse for me personally, but they didn't know that, that what it could be. I mean if tyreek does play they going forward? I mean, even tyreek hill does play I think that we're all of the opinion that he's probably not playing for the chiefs going forward. And I know you were talking about this year. But putting decay, Metcalf Sammy Watkins who he would keep in that case on the roster. For twenty twenty is already a great start in it frees up your twenty twenty draft and not have to take a wide receiver early. And I get it doesn't doesn't add much to the defense this year because it's a later round corner. It's developmental guy, but I think I'm improving the offense not only in the meantime, retiree till is out, but also the high ceiling of it floor, if Sammy Watkins does miss time or if they do get all three guys healthy, what you going to do with Sammy Watkins, Travis Kelsey Tyree, kill decay, Metcalf on the field the same time that blend of size and speed across the board. We thought the offense was dangerous last year with Chris Conley, make Chris Conley, fast and catch the ball downfield much huge difference. So that's kind of where I'm looking at improving the offense with that move and adding development. Corner to the mix. Yeah. After the break, I will reveal a scenario that only tweaked the draft no free agency just the draft will break it down after this. I'm Avery truffle men and I'm hosting curbs new podcast. Nice, try it stories about how people have tried to design a better world. And what happens when those designs don't go according to plan season. One is called utopian. And it's about the perpetual search for the perfect place. It includes cannibalism, fascist architecture, poly-amorous, hermetically, sealed domes and Courtney Kardashians dining room chairs, but not necessarily in that order, new episodes of nice, try come out every Thursday. Subscribe for free on apple podcasts or in your favorite podcast app. Hi. This is Peter Kafka. I'm the host of Recode media. He's an awesome podcast that I make about media want to tell you about a specific episode. I think you will listening to Jimi Petar president his PIN, one of the most powerful programming networks on TV also one that's under a lot of stress. He's down the fifteen months we talked about what he's doing to reshape that thing and, or keep it competitive all the other sports networks and the internet in general. It's a good conversation. You can listen to it for free. Jimmy Petar was on the Recode media podcast with me, Peter Kafka, apple podcasts, four wherever you are listening to this message right now. Well, guys you both presented. Some very interesting scenario. Talk down on us. Don't talk down on us. They're good. I liked it. In fact, I have no qualms at all with getting rid of Dan, Sorensen's contract. I think that's a smart approach. But I tried to make it a little harder on myself. I tried to I tried to challenge. I try to challenge myself, little your pals. Okay. Rumble. Well, hang on here, you're out here making us outside like the easiest move in the world. Is cut, Dan, you don't know my relationship with, Dan? So we're in soon, don't act like this was an easy move for me. We had an emotional conversation about letting him. Go, your hairlines are both very similar. They get out in the garden garden to garden gardening. It's back to gardening. Always always guard. The garden of the gods is in Utah dance Lawrenson from Utah Craig has gardening. Probably planted stuff in that garden. He's hiked. He's hiked Utah like no doubt square foot. Have it, you the, the garden of the gods is in Colorado is no it's not. Geography. Podcasting one to one. Well, Craig, why don't you lightness? Well, the garden of the gods is in Colorado, I've hiked it it. Yeah. Yeah. Well, is it Mount Zion? Is that in Utah? Yeah, I believe. That's correct. Have you hiked Mount Zion? I have not. I saw that glimmering your you definitely hiked it anyways, I decided to go route without free agency. Just try to do it just with the draft. So I'm not. Oh, sorry Craig, you have something to say for what it's worth mounts is in Jerusalem. So I thought there was a national park, maybe Zeino there's sign in Jerusalem. Guy parts. Cast over. Talking. Yes. Just now I'm getting rid of miekel Hartman as well. I know that comes as a shock haters. Yeah. And I'm not trading up for anyone. I'm taking one Thornhill is sixty one then I'm turning around Matty, and I'm taking decay Metcalf at sixty three. Kaaba kelly. Yeah. I know right? Here's here's where things deviate a little bit, I and this was hard for me, because I really liked Colin Saunders. I'm saying goodbye to call and Saunders. And I'm making a slight trade up for Justin lane in the third round eighty third that she's very easily could've traded up to to that spot. To select Justin lane with pick one sixty seven which they aren't using this miekel hardman trait. So I am going in addressing the cornerback position with a very good player that we are all very high on, we would have been happy with Justin, laid at sixty one we would have been happy with just lane in a trade up at fifty six, we had I believe just in late in the top fortyish player and how he how he felt eighty three was kinda surprising to us Craig what to your athlete was was Justin lane. Justin lane was a tier two cornerback but just barely. I mean like maybe half a point two or three quarters point away. So he he's a guy that we would have been ecstatic. High upside, great ball skills. I would've loved to have him on this team. Yes. He's learning the play the the position still, I think, cra- Matty, were you the highest Justin lane of all of us. I believe that was the case big Justin lane. Fan right here. And if we take him early in the second round if we had taken over McColl hardman the draft would have instantly improved for me. Yeah. Like I kind of looked at it. I remember sitting there on draft day and miekel Hartmann was still on the board. As the cheese for pro ching their third round pick. And I was just saying, like I kinda was pessimistic for some reason that they were they were not gonna take just kind of had a feeling I wonder like if he's still on the border this point. There's some reason that they didn't take them like this should've taken him at sixty three. I wonder why the she's were super interested in Justin laid. Why do you guys think that I have I have a feeling maybe just tackling? I mean spags does he not trust him as tackler. I do think that he's got a little ways to go. Like I don't think that he's a year. One guy necessarily I think that he does have a high ceiling. But you're you're relying on him to pick up the playbook and be able to develop as a cornerback quickly if you want him to contribute this year. I'm not sure just lane. Moves the needle, too terribly much in twenty nineteen. Now again, just like Matty, said about Corey Ballantyne, you've got high ceiling twenty twenty twenty twenty one and beyond. I like that move from that standpoint. But I, I don't know. And I think I even said this before the draft, I don't know that Justin lane is a day, one St.. Starter. But there weren't a whole lot of day one starters in this cornerback class. So you would be you would be right to go after a high ceiling guy in that situation. And see for me. I agree these day one starter. But I think he's a guy that's not a developmental project like Corey Balentine I think you would expect if you took Justin lane that he's started reps at some point in time in his rookie year. He just has to fix vicious. He's not doesn't need a complete rework. He just needs to pretty much make everything. He does techniques standpoint a little bit better. It's not terrible. Some of it is. But not all of it. So I mean he needs ramps to I mean. For the chiefs. I think the issue may be a little bit of sloppiness with his footwork, and his ability to not always break aggressively on stuff. He's sometimes breaking little to lay a will passively on passes that are cutting off in front of him. So I can see how the chiefs wouldn't have him. His highly graded is I do David, if you weren't looking at the Pierre upside key could do in every system, but purely for their system that being said, third-round complete deal for him in my opinion, he's going to be a good pro n even if it doesn't start in week one by the midpoint of the season. I think he's a guy to earn reps for whatever team. He ended up on his length and ball skills played like. And that's part of it too, like he may not. He's definitely not going to be refined year one, but his link made up for it at times, very up and down. Sure. And, and, you know, if they value some level of consistency. That's fine. But I don't think anybody anticipated various word really making any kind of, you know. Contribution in year, one either. So it's like for sure. Okay. You know Justin laid. Yeah. In the third round. I think that's incredible value. Whether or not he makes a big impact in your one, the value. There is just excellent for my from from, from my look at it. Okay. Let's look at it this way. Then Colin Saunders your one versus Justin lane. You're one who has the bigger impact in that both of us for this team specifically, I think Justin lane does throughout the whole year because there's a chance for him to have more plankton scum week one. I think Saunders probably could see more impactful, snatch based on where he is. But it's the same thing I think, on Saunders needs a little bit of work for the NFL to. I don't think he was a day one time. A guy just Justin lane has a wide open position. He's competing for for starting reps. I think that's kind of where I fall to is, you know. Yeah. Opportunity, and there's not like a giant amount of talent at the quarterback position. I think he can make a bigger year, one impact than Keith reserve. Can I'm sorry. And I think you know. You talk about long to like there's value there. But if you're telling me by the end of the, you know, maybe the chiefs wait until the training the, the trade deadline to make a move at corner. They let things play out. But you just laying he has a little bit of runway. I mean, they could they could get by the first six weeks, six weeks of the season. And then, you know if he's ready he can come in and make an impact in the second half of the season. You would like them to be ready week one, but I mean sorry I think he could I think he can make an impact in by the end of the year. Yeah. Same token up. So go ahead, Greg. If you're still talking just well, no, no. Keep going. I'll just gonna play off the Colin Saunders point here. What's your plan kind of with the interior defensive line? If you're if you're losing all and Saunders you're losing kind of that next pass rusher to spell. Chris Jones, are you what's your playing on the interior goal and Ford making this move. Well, I didn't cut Xavier Williams. So there's part of that he's going to have to be involved somewhere, and I think you're rusher, I that's, that's where it gets a little hairy, because he's definitely not a guy that has passed rush like a ton of passer Shabila but he is depth along the defensive line. But yeah. Their key. Yeah. You're, you're ends are kicking in in. Maybe you're leaning on them a little bit more. You're piecing it together. It's not as dynamic of interior of as a rush group. Like it's just isn't. I acknowledged that in. Yeah. Xavier williams. He's got a little bit of pass. Rush ability. I think he had three and a half sacks the year before he came to the chiefs. But I mean he's not a guy I'm overly hyped about from that perspective. And you are gonna lean on him a little bit more for sure. And I do like the way that the quarterback group looks I like the way that the wide receiver group looks I liked that they still have one Thornhill. I, I like a lot of those moves for certain, but I just I, I don't know if the chiefs really are year, one go all in. Not that necessarily that they made the right moves to do that this year either, but I think that they need, I don't know. I think they need a more impactful cornerback and, and they could still. Will be in the same situation that they are right now and go out and get a guy and let Justin lane take, you know, like you said, six games, eight games ten games and, and still develop and be a contributor at the end of the year. And then you go forward, but I just still would have worries about that position. And I'll add to that they would be kinda put in a long term issue, potentially along the interior defensive line if they take calling Saunders a believe Derek, Nadi might be the only one under contract technically next year. Now, they might get something done with Chris Jones, obviously, and that would change the complexion of that group. But I if I look at it right now, I'm more worried about the quarterback position than I am the interior rush. And if that's the case, I do think even if just Elaine may not be a day one starter, the value, there, specially for when the game start mattering more and more. He could make an impact late. We're going to. So the, the chiefs new show launched this week, and we are going to go ahead and recap episode one right after this. Hey, I'm Spencer hall. I'm Holly Anderson. I'm Ryan nanny. I'm Jason Kirk. And we're the host of the shutdown full cast avengers of college football podcast. It says in the script onto riff on what that means and basically, what is already spoiled every Tuesday. We talk about everything from cooking. Disasters to pro wrestling, too unfashionable pants worn middle school. We also do talk about college football every now and then, like mascot fights announcers, fleeing the early and unfashionable pants that coaches where now if you want to college football, exactly as seriously as it should be taken subscribe for free on apple podcasts or in your favorite podcast app. Well, for at least the summer, we are going to be breaking down the episodes of the franchise. The new chief show produced by the chiefs by sixty five toss power trap. And so the first episode actually launched on Wednesday this week, it's going to be streaming. I believe on YouTube on Facebook. It's going to be streaming on Fox Sports midwest. Fox Sports Kansas City we all had a chance to watch it. And we were we're pretty excited about it's gonna be fun to watch, especially of as we get farther along this week. They covered, you know, the end of the season, it was just a very dark way to start this thing. Craig. We we'd lead with the Ford like that was that was a problem. It really was rough to relive all of that again and have to deal with all of that nonsense of and I mean Andy Reid called it out with the whole, you know, we were four inches away that spite Andy Reid still has some spite for that for that situation. Yeah. I mean eighty feels like they were right there and you should. And I think even the concept of the show happening under Andy Reid lets you know how close he thinks they are this isn't happening if Andy Reid doesn't think they're Super Bowl contender. Like I think that's the first thing to go with this button up as Andy is about stuff, this whole the franchise is coming out if they don't think they're really close, and they lead off the series just with subtle slander of D Ford engine how unbelievably close they were to moving on their show in the replay. It's it was the worst, I saw Jeff Schwartz. Tweet out today that after the off-sides penalty, there was zero chance that deformed was coming back to Kansas City. And I looked if I looked into it, too much, but I just wonder after that statement. And, you know, you I don't know what his opinion of what the locker rooms opinion of deformed was all that. But just that subtle shade. Just made me wonder if there's just more to the D Ford story beyond just that I you know, I, I don't know. But I just thought that quote from, from Jeff shorts was interesting, personally, we know that, like anybody thinks sitting read is just happy. Go lucky all the time is fooling themselves. Andy Reid once this ring Andy Reid is willing to do a lot for this ring, if he feels like he can lay that at the feet of default, which I not agreeing with by any means there, there are a lot of situations that game that could have changed the entire tide of it. But man it sure felt a little bit. Like there was some extra heat on that I think Andy feels like the way the team was designed. They played good enough to win that gave like the way the team was made up last year played last year. They played a game to beat the New England Patriots advancements Super Bowl in the only thing that stopped him was Defoe. Lining up offsides. Like you said, I don't agree with it. You don't agree with it, but I kind of feel like that's the way Indy sees it based on how the team had performed all year. You didn't really ever expect the defense to get a stop? And then they kinda get this one big splash, play which was how the defense played all year, and it was the gated by the guy that was a the best defender. If we don't laugh, we cry. It was a punch. They lead with the gun. They really did. They did a great job, but just making me feel miserable. One thing that really bothered me about the first episode the end of the show. It was it because our good pal in argued friend Dane van wise, moving on from hit pride to go back to the chiefs in produced this show. That's not why I am. I'm so upset I'm upset because the chiefs and sixty five toss power trap did not put Craig stout in the credits creek your the back. Your beautiful head may end the side view of your beard made in appearance on the senior bowl footage for the first episode of the franchise. Okay. So little story here. Kin watched. It live or close to live close not quite life. I had dinner with my family. And after the kid bid I jumped on YouTube star washing it can head clipped that picture and threw it out there. And of course, I didn't look very hard at it. Can't was just razzing me about some dude with a giant red beard being in it, and then the show to it, and it was, you know, senior bowl and it's covering the senior bowl turned to my wife and I said, I'll have to look in the background to see. Oh, wait a minute. And sure enough standing back, there interview David long in the background of one of the pictures videos. I wonder how tall the ladder was. They took that picture friend to catch you just your head. He looked like a normal sized human being. At least four runs up on a normal ladder. I just followed around people I wanted to try and blend into little better, there in the interview, scrim. Yeah. Well, you did a good job. But the beard just does not show. So Craig I done a favor for you. I've updated your IMDB page I've IMDB page. Apparently the only problem is. Nightmare. The birthday only goes back to the nineteen hundreds. This is. I think I don't know. They don't have birth dates in the eighteen hundreds on the IMDB that's unfortunate. But other than that, I also the other thing is there's a character limit for running. Like I was trying to explain your your broad horizons of what you are what you do on a daily basis. Your many skills. That's I ran out of room on the page. So. Lauding bus can figure this out, so. Man. I keep coughing up a storm. I'm sorry about that. But anyways, so we get Eric Stonestreet, living out all of our dreams being in the draft room watching film, with the scouting department guys, it doesn't matter how hard we work at all. This are only of being in that room is to be on a hit TV show. Craig's probably well on his way with the. Page is up. I I'm going to start taking his calls. I'm now Craig's agent. If anyone needs someone to be tall red head with beard, I I'm in that's our only shot of one of us getting on into the drafter. But I you know, I thought it was really interesting. A couple of things that vit said in the in the draft room. First off. He said someone didn't have a great week. I really wanna know who that is, who. I don't remember who had a bad week. Give me someone who had a bad week. Probably one of the linebackers. Kris boyd. Oh Chris Boyd. That's the answer. He was talking about Kris Boyd. Chris Boyd's good, one or any single Wisconsin often. He was talking about Michael shortly after that, maybe it was him because they were talking. Maybe they didn't cut that out. It was like disguised by like being so obvious the other thing when Brett was talking to Eric Stonestreet in the draft room. That's a sentence. I never thought I would say when he was talking to him in the draft or something I thought was kind of interesting. Is he said the senior bowl, this is where your second and third round prospects are, and lo and behold, the chiefs took two senior bowl participants in the second and third routes? He went out of his way to point out to Stonestreet that and I mean, I think Stonestreet new this. I feel like this plan a little bit toward to the camera. But pointed out, that a lot of the first round guys tend to be more juniors guys that are coming out early that are the better players that didn't stick around for their last year. But yeah, no he, he made it a point to say that's where the bulk of the second and third round players are. And we, we got to talk to one thrown hill. We got to talk to call Sanders. We we, you know, we're kind of in front of all of those guys. And that was the cool part about the senior bowl was knowing that a lot of these guys had a shot to be drafted by the chiefs. And they come away with two of them that was just really cool and even more so than just a senior bowl to more picks on day, three were also from these kind of all star games at the end of the season with Rashad, thin in Nick Allegheny. So whether it's to senior bowl or not at all breath, each had also mentioned day three, like I thank you very much, Patty. They've read each likes these guys that get their full for years in college. They go to these all star games and show and he mentioned it again, the versatility think that's something that's huge debris Vive. So you get these guys that were card show versatility in these all star game settings. If you really wanna pick up on a trend for the chiefs moving forward in terms of the draft really start there. Look for versatile guys that play in these all star games that might be a good place to start narrowing down your kind of what you expect from the chiefs, and the dress. And I believe he's very on. Go. So jay. Never gonna get his his wish of a twenty year old rookie coming in at all. Won't have more likely to get a twenty four year old. Yeah. It'll just there's, there's no chance of that happening. I dare Dadi enduring Daniel senior bowl participants correct? I do. I don't remember. I believe I'm gonna have to double check that and someone's probably gonna get my mentions and dunk on me, but I'm pretty sure during Daniel played in the senior bowl as well. So I mean beyond that, I mean, I thought that was the most interesting piece one thing that kept like showing up for me. Oh, actually, there's one more thing about Revie each and I thought it was just kind of interesting. And I really do believe this five that, you know, he talks about how the guys in that department really are best friends, and they have, you know, they're able to yell and scream and fight and all that stuff about things. But at the end of the day, there's, there's that, that, that bond that they have I actually believe that a lot of the way he's gone about things it does feel like that unit. That scouting department is a very tight. Knit group, and he really believes in his people, and he believes in their process. I firmly believe that about that particular department. I think so too. I think you work in tandem, and you have to rely on everybody else's evaluations as much as they do. You kind of become very intimate with the person themselves. You figure out what they like the things that they look for things like that. You don't just get that by hanging. I think even said to Stonestreet at one point, you know, if you watch enough of these guys eventually become second nature doesn't take doesn't take a rocket scientist figure this stuff out. So you, you've got to know the type of guys that you're going in there with, because people can figure this out people can't do so you have have to have some sort of, you know, friendship and kinship throughout that entire process. I think that's throughout the entire league. I don't know necessarily that's just within the chiefs organization. I think a lot of those scouts, just know each other are friends with each other. I just think it's kind of a very a very tight knit group. Yeah. And I think the big thing they talk. About what just being able to get into these heated debates than come back the next day and still have a good relationship that. I mean, that's it's health that you have to have that in that room because we've had debates just between us in our DM, or in Verson, if you don't get along with somebody that kind of holds over to another conversation. So the fact that they're good friends only helps kind of working through the whole process. I was asking talk to Jake anymore. No. Yeah. Jake's he's gone. I was kind of thinking about even your joke about the twenty year olds, the twenty year old prospects like we all do have, and we all carry some things that we like we don't like Ed. I mean it manifests itself, even in the jokes like we're kinda like that, too, like out, like we all know and have a good feel for the types that we get and like the types we like and prefer. So I thought that was funny beyond that, honestly, like one thing that I forgot because of this season just because of how grand in amazing last season was and you know dog season all that stuff. It's been crazy. I forgot Patrick Mahomes is on the cover of madness year. This flat out for got. So we're watching, we're watching him do is photo shoot. I'm like, oh, yeah. And like any other situation, you would normally that would be like a lead story for a month to. We'd still talking about it. We'd like we look really held onto that, you know, but that happened right about the same time as Tyree kill news. I think that just kinda killed a lot of the heat and steam from that story. So I think that's really the cause of it because I think we'd still be going. I mean we're still going on and on about him being the MVP because he's mazing. So I think that would still be there if that tyreek hill story hadn't a kind of blown it off the front page. And I kinda just wonder if like the onfield stuff has really just dwarfed like the on field realities of how good he is still just kinda doors. Like oh, yeah. He's. He's, he's on the cover of a video game. But more importantly, he's also the goat, the baby goat. So, you know, I'm still just amazed by the stuff he did. Well, that's going to do it for this week's episode, the second episode of the week, we will be back next week on the YouTube channel streaming our mail bag and then doing a full episode later in the week after that we will catch you.

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BONUS: Yeah, I Said It: Why Steelers fans shouldnt fall for news out of Training Camp

Behind the Steel Curtain

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BONUS: Yeah, I Said It: Why Steelers fans shouldnt fall for news out of Training Camp

"Welcome back listeners to another episode of year. I said it is always. The show is hosted by yours. Truly Lance Williams WanNa give a big shout out to the CO host of the standard standard is a standard and the editor behind still curtain Jeff Hartmann also WanNa give a big shout out to the Oracle of all steeler knowledge Dave. Sto feel and lastly WanNa give a shout to her Brian Anthony Davis. Those guys are outstanding. I call them the wise as men. Make sure you check out all their podcast. If you want to check out this podcast you could check it out by going to any podcast reader. Slash feeder do a search for behind understood curtain dot com or search for yeah. I said it you can search on Apple. podcast Google play spotify stitcher any of those platforms orange forms also big announcement the show will now be on youtube starting on Saturdays will be doing it live on Youtube Z correct program on you to as we do the program so you can join us that way editor will also be available on audio platforms on this particular regular episode of Year. I said it I want to say the following. Don't believe anything that you hear in terms of news coming from training camp. Let me say that again. Don't believe any news that that you hear coming from training camp and that's no disrespect to Jeff Hartmann her Dave Scofield to host the Grind Anthony <hes> Pity Davis to Jim Wechsel to Ed Bouchette to mark Kabali to Chris Carter the any of those guys who who do fantastic work L. Lally F del Lally <hes> salt like don't don't believe anything myself included. Don't believe any report when it comes to training camp because in the famous words of Edgar Allan Poe believe leave nothing you hear and only half of that you see you know because in the beginning of football season particularly when you're talking what about training camp what's the popular phrase hope Springs Eternal. I mean Hail. You've listened to all of these pundits. Talk about the browns and how the combination of O._B.. Jay and Baker Mayfield they're going to the playoffs. They may win the Super Bowl. I mean hell that should convince adventure that you shouldn't believe anything any news. That's coming out of training camp. I mean at this time of the season. The raiders are relevant. I mean the big news right. Now is Mr third and fifth in a hot air balloon. I mean how people are even optimistic. Stick about the Mongols so at this point in time. Don't believe anything that you hear coming out of training camp. I mean if you were to believe everything that you heard coming out of training camp deontay Johnson will be Calvin. Johnson Juju is faster than you you same bolt. Oh Lot is demand for defense is faster. Justin Lane Sucks ardy burned his plans salad football. The the defense is beating the offense and seven shots look man none of that means anything in the beauty of it all all is you have your own two eyes and the game is going to be played very soon. I believe it's August ninth is is the first preseason game. Kill me if I'm wrong. When the first game is played that's when you can judge what's going on in preseason and in training camp in even of that to Edgar Allan Poe's point only believe half of what you see because the offense is going to be down down from a package perspective? The defense is going to be doubt down from package perspective so you're only going to see what they want you to see and that includes the same things in practice I mean how much can you glean from the team beating up on the team team in training camp any because that doesn't matter it doesn't matter if all Alah is killing binney snail junior believe it if you want because it doesn't matter anyway it's all hyperbole. All of this is hyperbole at this point in the season. You might be saying to yourself. Why are you arguing that all of this hyperbole when you want Because I want you to consume it with the right perspective I think the content and fairness to all the names that I named is solid. They are seeing what they are seeing see but it's within a certain context a very limited context in practice so what they are actually seeing and reporting on in terms terms of the totality of everything doesn't really mean anything. It doesn't mean anything until you play against somebody else now. If you want glean some salient information from a training camp post or something like that wait until the teams go up in drills or they go in these these split practices where they practice another team where you can see if what you are doing actually works because somebody is really going one two hundred miles per hour in trying to stop you. I mean currently the defense isn't playing balls to the walls and trying to really stop the offense. I mean quarterbacks play with red shirts. That's not football in the red. Shirt is don't hit that guy. I mean guys taking days off guys. I take it out on reps guy sitting on the sidelines door mental rep.. I mean look all of this is worth something but don't believe anything thing that you see. Don't believe anything that you'd be just a out and create your own opinion based on each preseason in game is then from that you still can't take much of anything from that so the only time you can start forming a narrative around this football. The team is when the season starts. You know you'll hear stuff. The defense is really fast L.. The defense is getting interceptions early in cab so that means that the deep is going really beginning interceptions in pickoffs and <hes> this stuff and some recovery but it doesn't mean any of that all it means is on random day in July and August Justin lane gotta interception or get pancaked or will be bagging groceries <music> very soon. None of it matters so again to the point like Edgar Allan Poe said Nah apologize using an Edgar Allan Poe reference beacause Edgar Allan Poe is a famous Baltimore Ian and because he poplar is the use of the railing in his. His novels Gus Pittsburgh steelers don't like the Baltimore Ravens but back to his quote. Believe nothing you hear and only half of that you see because it needs to be embellished right. It needs to be that piece of cake with extra icy. Helen needs to be multiple slices. A cake would extra icing because if it's not embellished you're not gonna read it and if you've ever been to training camp I mean I've been a training camp several times. Honestly honestly training camp was boring. It's hot you really don't have an idea of what's going on. It's disjointed you have sessions and drills going on everywhere so it's Kinda Kinda hard to glean what you're watching and what to look for so with that being said you know consume it as you want. I mean the one thing you probably can glean from it that maybe actually truthful that you can really take from would be if a guy is just absolutely terrible. Guys not physical not holding up is not fast. He's dropping a bunch of passes asses so on and so forth didn't whatever more than likely in that situation. It's probably a rookie some and drafted guy that wasn't going and to make the team anyway because that's that's the veiled secret any N._F._l.. that the N._F._l.. Doesn't really like to tell you that treaty camp is essentially just to get guys and in shape it really the workout rookies and trying to help veterans or new veterans that you bring in to get acclimated to the system and trying not to get guys hurt. I mean a preseason for the most part. The last two games in my opinion are useless even the game the third game where guy the first team plays you know I have I mean it's still can't glean anything from it or take anything from it. So you know the most important thing in preseason moving forward during the regular season is staying healthy mean. That's the biggest information you could take from any of these can't reports. It's probably the only thing that's truthful and actually real so our injury. Report of guys are hurt. You can't really fake that that is what you actually see. That's it like Dante mockery lot of reports about earlier. This wiki dislocated his finger. There were pictures out it looked grotesque but guess what the guy

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Talkin' The Star: Justin Layne Interview

Blogging the Boys

18:37 min | 2 years ago

Talkin' The Star: Justin Layne Interview

"Hey listeners we're in the heat of one of the greatest sports events of the year. You guessed it March madness. And the best place to stay on top of all the NCAA tournament. Coverage CBS sports HQ, what is CBS forte. Give it is the free twenty four hour sports network. That's built profanity just like you from nonstop highlights to news and analysis. CBS sports HQ has got you covered checkout. CBS sports HQ. It is always on always free not to pay a subscription fee or have an expensive cable package. Download the CBS sports app on your phone fire TV Roku or apple TV start watching today. What's up? This is Connor Livesey with the talking the star podcast tonight wrong with another NFL draft prospect interview Dama with Justin lane, Michigan state cornerback. What's going on? Elsia awesome, really excited to have you on the first question. When asked him if he just started pitching yourself yet less than a month before the draft year. I know you're one of the top quarterback prospects in this draft or how how unreal is this experience for you. This is crazy. Just a lot. Also grace. Was able to be missing as a top corner. So, you know. And I know the recruiting process was kinda crazy like I was dating big con school. You know, you that's obviously it's kind of a shell shock you as well. But I'm sure you've never went through something as crazy as is. I guess stressful might be a bad word, but just how much crazy this experience has been you've probably never going through something. This this crazy before right? Yeah. I haven't this is the first time probably since high school going to copy that's plus to. We're gonna talk about crude in process later. I know that's that's a lot of fun to get dive into. But I wanted to talk about your perone with he's just about a week ago a little bit more than a week ago. You hedger your party sat on your combine numbers. Very good at the combine in Indianapolis. But she went through the drills, and you have some beatings and stuff like that. How'd you pro over Moscow? And how you you know, maybe you helped yourself what's some of those drills? And maybe some of the interviews that you had just being over sit down and talk to him and not a crazy combine setting. I think you will. In school and just anything. As. Got a chance to see them. I mean, the last time we left assume. So it was just great as being back there. And it is shown the coaches that I can move my side that I have great balls. 'cause overall I went pretty well. I mean, I got a lot of things. I mean every team was there there. So I mean, it was over pretty Shelley. And you know, you we talk about the combine the meetings combine, and it seems like I mean, I'm kinda speaking out turn probably better questions for you. But I feel like having those us having those meetings at your pro day when you're in a more comfortable setting, it probably makes you not as nervous as you are in the combine near train station, and your and hotel rooms coaches asking crazy questions, you know, it's probably a little bit easier to go through those things at your product or. Cool. And like I said we use that on your combine numbers. You're you're in a four or five in the forty. You're really good short. Shuttles. You have changed direction drills. Really good jobs. Everything at a combine was you wait in exceptionally. Well, your arm link your size, your weight talking going back a little bit seems like it's been forever. Even those just a few months ago talk a little bit about the combine, man. And just how you know, we talked about how crazy the whole experience has been that that's one of the top moments and this draft crosses for you. Just talk a little bit about the combine. And some of the things you you you like to do in Indianapolis, and you showed off your skill set their combine over I was crazy crazy, man. So anyone? Nice overall like these friends. I mean, it's just it was just something different. For some that I've been in college was more series. Got a chance to kind of just explain like the business out of NFL. I'm not not as just like the this through football. And everything is kind of getting to know me everything. All grady. I got I got like. My personality. I feel I just I miss you just pan with hard that really know what how year unless you cut. So so I kind of like over ice buyers. I think I think energy is definitely hoping to process, and you see like a guy who's very very honest, very genuine in the way, you talk you talk to some guy. Sometimes I know these teams sometimes it kind of feels like they're putting on a front. You know, they're they're they're trying to prove something they're not or something like that. You seem very a guy who's very humble, but also very confident the way you kind of carry your business, and I think that that translated on the field at Michigan state. And that's kind of what I wanted to dive into is coming out of high school. You Steve you were wide receiver recruit you went to Michigan state to be a wide receiver. You then transformed into a quarterback in the middle your true freshman year talk a little bit about that, you know, coming in out of high school only did you ever play quarterback is in high school or anything like that. What about? Joanie junior a little bit. Just a little bit wasn't really like it was kinda just like. Okay. Garden type of field series. Like, I never did any DVD Dras until I got to college. So you come to Michigan state. They're looking at you receiver. You know, you your athletic? You got the link you got the size. What what was the I guess the reason for taking you from wide receiver and put you a DVD was it a was it a what was the not issue? But what was the reason they so, you know, we're gonna make you switch. We're gonna change positions for you. I didn't know I just posted you. And we had a lot of injuries, especially difficile cornerback. And I was actually a funny story. I was at one day, and I was messing around with Dave is I was playing defense on. And I was like, yeah. Play different types of things 'cause DC and then that does he moved to quarter like going to one at once they made a play. And then like the next day. I was a fool corner. And then that game I played. I gotta pick six so they kinda like just happened like. You made it you you did it yourself. It wasn't really coaching decision. They just saw you playing like man when he had quarter. Yeah. I mean 'cause DO as mentioned like, okay. He can see me playing both conduc coca like, I'm never really really going to do it. Live. I've never really was going to do it. And I think it's awesome. That you know, that's one thing that you've found watching your games and kind of going back and doing research is the first game you played his according you had an interception, and you return it for a touchdown. Correct. If so how about that a little bit you come in as a guy who was receiver and the middle of core. You get an interception, and then you get to the touch you take it to the end zone. You almost had to feel like man this easy quarterback. Because if it is and I'll just stick with this. Remember that home every day to was the game gonna cover too. So like. In the car. I have it. On the one case. 'cause I was like hey yard pick six for that. College game. I was six. Wow. Sure, you had a lot of trash to talk to your other quarterbacks and defensive backs on your team. After that, you're like man this easy to play corners here all night. All night, all Nonoo. Just having like this. I was with those story line. Before we move on. I wanted to ask you as well, you have come out of high school. You went to high school, Ohio. I'm sure you had some other offers coming out as receiver where offers you had coming out of high school. I had a house they Alabama Florida Notre Dame. I big ten schools. Florida Florida stand Kentucky everyone's out. I lot offers. So what you know that that was one thing that I noticed when I saw that. You'd had some offers coming from Ohio State being at home by a little bit surprised that you left Ohio State you go to Michigan state. What was what was your as where you're always in Michigan state fan? But what was the reason behind it? You know, skipping out on how to say go to Michigan state. It was kinda like a. I'd probably say we we decision. I kind of what my father and my family. We kind kinda did are pros and cons. And and I just feel like who's the that's like he was only got. Like, I feel most comfortable embracing stay. I just felt the loyalty in a family ice MC behind everything that they've screeching and just hope philosophy us. We when be so I just take my chances. Of course. Like everybody from Cleveland, Ohio. Whatever you I agree with house state different. That's gonna say it was a little bit. You know? It's different. Like, you said that good word to use it because most people who grow up in Ohio, you know, go to school they offered from Ohio State. That's like the place they go and went to Michigan state, and it it obviously worked out really well for you looking as we talked about earlier, you know, you're looking at one of the top quarterback prospects in this draft. I wanna talk about your game a little bit. You know, just the style a player you are for folks listening who might not know a lot about Justin lane. You know, obviously, they can look up your sides. They can look up your wings. They can look up your athletic, ability and say may this guy's got side got Lincoln got athletic ability. But but the guys who don't watch the tape. You know, obviously me I see a guy who can who can play man he can play press plays on your kind of verse house guy one thing that I really like with your statement is we always talk about corners who run routes like receivers who kind of know the routes receivers running. So they're able to run the route for the receiver. That's one thing. You do very well other than those things that I listed. What are some of the pros about your game that fans and NFL seems really looking? To get their hands off. Probably america. You're not a lot of things this this is far as with the receiver about to do just may stuff kind of ways. How to feel about that run based off of that like Rhonda's play receiver too? So I kinda I kinda know his way out. So I kind of see the movie I thought about you. He's my long. This. This is where salmon comes. For sure for sure. And that's one thing that I noticed, you know, we talk about nuances receivers route running ability, but that translates that that's one thing. I see that kind of translated from your probably receiver days your cornerback. As just being able to pick up on those nuances that the receivers do what their head gear their their hands chest over their knees when they're break into, you know, just seems like you're very like, you said instinctive in that regard to read what receivers are doing and know which way they're gonna go, and that's obviously a big trait for corners in today's enough L. So the next I I wanted to ask you is you you progress each year my eyes on tape on your numbers each year. Michigan state going back between your whole career emission state. What would you say? Is there a certain game? They're certain play. Is there a certain moment in your career Michigan state where it just you can go back to and say, that's the moment at clicked for me. And I knew that one day I was gonna top your quarterback prospects. When they see. I'm probably was the one that was like, okay. It's like I'll probably say my sophomore year allows someone something year we play Michigan just just atmosphere and just how this. Hi, max. Just over on game. There's my confidence leverages Claes's is. I that's the game that transition. From there on I was playing quarterback half of competence on. So I get that part over. Okay. Cool cocoa. You obviously played a lot of really talented teams talented receivers. Even some tight end, you might have covered in your mission status or one player that stands out in your career that you kinda just point to go man that guy was a tough cover. He was a guy who you know, SOLAS routes. Well, no matter how competitive was at the catch point. He always hold in the past there just a receiver that you remember throughout your time at Michigan state where you just point your finger to and go that guy's really really good. Semi Qasem Indiana had a great hand big bodies my six four to twenty five something like that. That's like he was a pretty good grade receiver, especially at the catch point. Yes, very sticky. I'm not I'm not sure what his first are both see like eighty two you'd very fast. I was going to be okay. And he was ordered in as well. So okay, that's pretty good. And then they should result state killer. Great ball skills. I know how to laze body to catch the ball. So I mean, it was definitely a lot of great receiver especially playing in the big ten how receivers all of them pretty fast shifty guys. I mean like in a big we got we got some good. Mexico's every game for sure no doubt about it. Just a few more questions for you. I appreciate you taking time. What's the player that you kind of look look a lot of tape at you turn on the tape. You say, you know, hey, I maybe not model you're going after because you know, obviously, I think coming in. You wanna be Justin lane in the NFL? You don't wanna be somebody else? But what's the guy that you kind of moderate your game? After and go, you know, like that guy size might have linked up. You know, I play similar to this guy. Coming in or just looking at. Hey popeye. Hey Popeye saying. Keeps to these Avia rose those prime month not three is. I look at Jan ram. Jalen Ramsey, so like swaggie at it's like getting but definitely they're just leave. They'd be rose. All right. Cool. Cool cool. And as I said, it's not more questions for you in your off season. I noted this year hasn't really been in office. But what some of the things you like you and your off time when you're not practicing playing training for football. I love watching movies, especially scary movies. My mom, actually, my mom, actually artists opinion. I like drawing a lot. And that's what's your favorite scary movie. Ooh, favorite scary movie. I'll probably have to say. So was scary movie. You can do favorite movie and then. Have your favorite my favorite movie is a lotta basketball outta basketball background and my favorite scary movie. Ooh, that's kinda hard. I'm like, I watch industry movies films that come out watch. Have you seen the new movie that awesome? Awesome. Good. I'm seen it yet thought. It was pretty good. I mean, I thought it wasn't better than get out. But what I'm hearing. But little gotta get loose storyline on it. I get deal. Good deal. I gotta ask you today was opening day in baseball you baseball fan at all. And not. Okay. I had to ask them over the day. All right last question. I got for you get you out of here. You know, we talked about some of the things you do. Well, but, but I wanted you to, you know, kinda tell us tell people listen tell anyone who's listening. What is the NFL team to draft? Justin lane say you. You're the board. You got another corner. Right. Their tags touching. What are they gonna get outta justifying? That's gonna make him better than player. Be. Like, I'm just gonna land. I feel like flag. Every in the ways progress, no matter where what I'm doing. I'm still waiting for way to get better. At today. I'm away doesn't give him a loss of what they would just really good deal. Appreciate you coming on, man. I had a lot of fun. Like, I said all the top quarterback prospects in the Strath guy. Who's sweated to go at the end of that. I one really excited to see you know, where you go. Like, I said we got a little less than a month. They'll draft day anything you doing anything special in between now. And then I'm just trying. I'm just trying to let's pretty much, but really cool. Good deal. Good deal. Thanks Justin for coming on. Again. We're on with Justin lane. Michigan state cornerback one of the top close by this draft. Great athlete. Great size. Great coverage ability good run support everything he did on tape and his last three years of Michigan state or something that fell team's gonna fall in love with thanks so much, Justin. Thanks, everyone for listening. This is Connor live. And we'll see you guys next time.

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BTSC Steelers 2021 Draft Roundtable: Welcome to Pittsburgh, Tre Norwood and Pressley Harvin

Behind the Steel Curtain

30:57 min | Last week

BTSC Steelers 2021 Draft Roundtable: Welcome to Pittsburgh, Tre Norwood and Pressley Harvin

"Now that the nfl draft is here you need to subscribe to the sp nation nfl. Show our team of national and local. Experts have the nfl draft covered from every angle. Plus we're bringing in big name guests and leaving mind from around. The industry subscribe to the espy nation. Nfl show wherever you get your podcast for the best coverage of the nfl. Draft and beyond pittsburgh steeler fans. It is the last time. You'll be hearing for myself and jeffrey benedict tonight. It's the steelers seventh round pick. We're going to introduce you the first one. Of course they have the second one and that we will be unveiling live but once again my name is michael beck and jeffrey benedict from behind the steel curtain dot com. The steelers have selected a cornerback. Finally trae norwood that means consecutive offensive players after four consecutive offensive players. Jeffrey how do you feel about the utility knife defensive. Back as mike tomlin called him on. Nfl on his on his introductory Card reading what do you feel about this. Pick i. he's alright. I mean it's a seventh round pick. What you're here is is more. The steelers are looking at a bunch of different players who are on the same level and saying you know which one do we want to take a shot at to me. He looks like a developmental version of campsite. And cam sutton was a third round. Pick this. This guy looks to me like someone who could become that he plays inside. He plays safety He's got ball skills a lot of questions other places if we remember when cam newton i came out He could cover people and he had ball skills and that was pretty much and he could be played pretty much anywhere and he's turned into one. Good cornerback so this. This is kind of that guy like he. He's he's a developmental version of that he could become that kind of number four. Cornerback the that can just kinda lineup anywhere. Yeah i think one of the things that a lot of people gotta keep in mind is when it comes around picks more often than not. These guys aren't making the team they're like you're saying developmental pieces. Maybe hit on them. I mean a year ago because the practice squad was extended All the draft class was able to make the team so for them to have hit on another pick. Why would be significant. But judging by the way you started this off. I don't think you feel like steelers. Found their new nickel corner. I wanna say this. I find this little more interesting. He was a starter as a freshman sophomore. Lost his junior year to injury and was a starter as a senior right One of the things. I've been saying is i expect the steelers to take more guys. That aren't the pure potential. Or they have that one trait like when they when they remember when they took a the free safety. Who had like all the interceptions world. But he couldn't play football like like. That's all i can do. Catch a ball Instead of that's going with a guy here who has a lot of experience. He has played a lot of football. And i think he may actually work. You may see this guy hanging around and find a role in What the steelers do because this is. He does something that they already know. Something they are have worked into their defense. All need to do is teach them to do it. Better teach them to do it in an nfl level and he can be a kind of zone man hybrid. You know for when you do your pattern matches got. He can be that he can be the guy who drops deep and deep ball. If you're only given him you know your job is taken. Whoever goes deep. That's an much easier job. That's a much easier job and that's a job. I think this guy could be someone who does. Maybe not this year he could be on the practice squad. But you look at our depth chart. There's room for him. To make this team make this roster on the fifty-three simply because we've got four cornerbacks. Yeah you're absolutely right as we sit here. Couple penn state offense lineman goff back. Go off the board back to back. Michael main will fries as we inch closer to the steelers. Last pick of the draft they are basically in untradable territory. So i'm fairly certain they'll be making that pick but as we sit here. How do you feel about that. Secondary depth charter. Especially cornerback Where does this guy slot in right away. I like this depth chart better than most people. the steelers cap justin lane through through his legal troubles. They have kept him So i think he's sticking it. There's a good chance that justin lane is still on this. Roster i think james pierre's your number three corner i think justin lane is probably our number four and this kid has a of good chance to be number five and he you know. Obviously he's gonna have to play special teams. He's going to have to do some other things but he can be that he me. That guy in the end of free agency is we crept towards the draft. We are saw karl. Joseph visit the steelers before he signed in oakland for the amount that he signed for. I think it's safe to say he didn't like to roll. The steelers could offer him butts Do you think that this is a pick that might be guy. That's more slated to be a safety or do you think this is a corner all the way. What the point he's being picked and where he would probably fit on the depth chart right as a dime back similar to camp sutton. It's a gray area. Are you a safety. Are you a corner. The way they use they're gonna use him. It's kind of a mixture you know. It's more in that pattern match zone Or if you're the guy you're kind of playing safety even if you're a cornerback So so i think he's kind of a mixture and that's exactly what they need here. They need that. Slot safety mixture that gives them a guy that can play in this pattern match defense on those plays the plays if he gets if he improves and in the future takes over that role. Four consecutive defensive players Taken here now. I like i mentioned earlier. Are you happier with the with the depth across the defensive board right now. Our steelers still need a little bit more work to do. I'm good with it. I think we can roll with it. I was not expecting looking at the all the things. I wanted Like i think. I've told you before. I wanted like eight. Third fourth round picks really to fill all the positions where you wanted to guy. You're like roche laying on to upgrade talk. We want someone at center. We wanna running back. We want to tighten. We wanna cornerback. Wanted edge. rusher. We you know we want all these positions you're just not gonna get every single one So they're gonna have to roll with some positions where guys are just going to have to step up. The seals are gonna say you're the next one up steph up and they've done that before we've seen goodness sakes we've seen Ross cockrel in and antoine blake. Play cornerback on this team. We've seen john boston vince. Williams be linebackers. We saw vince. William start as a as a linebacker in his rookie season. you know. we've seen this stuff happened. The steeler going to ask some people to play roles that they're probably not entirely ready for and this is the kind of like cornerback is kind of that position. One guy goes down and your your depth. Chart is looking like someone stepping up like someone stepping up above where they should be so dame. Scofield throws this into our slack. Channel saying Traynor norwood is a slot corner all the way. Are you comfortable with a seventh round. Pick starting on day one for this team in that role. No and i don't think he will. I don't think he will I think i think we're looking at him. He could in the dime again. That's where he's gonna get. His time is going to be inside in died. And that's that's okay. That's like your skill and that's where you play like mike hilton. A very specific skill set. He came in as an undrafted free agent and made noise from right from the get go because the steelers were like yup. Go do what you do man. Go to your skill and that. That's what this guy can offer and really. That's what he looks like me a little bit of film. I got to watch here. And what i've read about him. He looks like the guy. You want in pattern match zone. Who's just gonna take the guy and just just every play. He's taking that deep guy. It's what he does and i think that's how they'll use them. We are flying through these picks right now. I think the steelers are one. Pick away from being on the clock. So i think we might just based on the time frame of this. I think we might just merge us in one podcast. If mr brian anthony davis is listening because We are flying through this. We're almost there at the next pick. And i don't really want to get to our final thoughts on this guy quite yet but before the steelers are on the clock again one pick left basically. This is the zone where you're just. You're just nabbing the best guy that you don't think you're going to get as an undrafted free agent. What spot to go. That's really tough is this could be like a k johnson if he continues to stay on their I like him a lot really at this point. It's it's just pick a name you know it could be. some scout. Was pounding the table for some guy being like no this guy's underrated and they'll just be like all right. You know that your seventh round. Pick you get that. So we'll we'll see we'll see. I would not be surprised if it's a wide receiver. Yeah very nearly on the clock. The rams pica's in denver and then it's the steelers. The steelers have taken a wide receiver every single year. Since two thousand eleven. Any chance that streak is about to end. Yeah yeah i think it is. I think there's a chance I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't But it would be it would be it would be an interesting streak to see end and and it would be straight up. Because they brought back to your juice smith schuster. It'll be one hundred percent. There are set to go into the season. And honestly i think i think you'll see fewer receivers snaps than you saw last year for the position because of the titans ends. I the running game. We should be fewer third times like we better be fewer third down in ten situations. We shouldn't have as many times where you've got four wide receivers on the field so cross your fingers. But i don't think why does he was an easier. Which is why. Hey it's a seven pick who cares. Yeah one thing is though goner. We were sort on garner's last year james. Pr took that job. Justin lane took that job one of those stepping up in a different role this year. Are they gonna want them to be goner if we get a wide receiver someone like that. Who could be goner. That would be a great. I would be a big time. Pick for them. I'd also i'd also love What's the punters name. There's upon like oh presley. Harvard in the third or matt duffy fat under the old one. Pick your poison. The bigger one. He looks like a rugby player. Man that's honor man. Did you watch him pie. And i'm like that's how you put like we. We always get these really skinny guys and they don't have the leverage like you. Don't get the right action on your son jeff. Hardy old soccer coach always told me that he's like the problem. Is that like all. These guys are too skinny. That's why they can't point bbc collaborator. Jeff hartmann sums up perfectly just before the steelers. Get their picking here He he makes a post on twitter of the old ricky. Bobby jeff Dear baby sweet. Lord jesus praying with his hands crossed. Make the last pick a punter. That is hilarious. That is completely on branford. Jeff hardman we will know momentarily here as your your timer goes off your naptime or i'm assuming starts to to ring jeffrey right on that. That was that was that was. I don't know what happened there anyway. So back to trae norwood before this gets in a are you. Are you feeling this like there were other corners available other corners. Steelers could've taken throughout the draft. Are you comfortable with this pick. I like it like. I said what i talked about breaking the steelers. Cornerback cursing drafting. And i think that starts with drafting for the role. Drafting a guy whose skills don't draft a guy and say we can mold him into something what he's already done it who's shown the ability to do it and put them in a role that fits their strength. And i think this is exactly what this kid is. I know it's just a seventh round picks. There's a good chance he doesn't make it but he has an exact skill set that has immediate ability to be put on the field as just boom. That's here you go. You're the guy in the slot on the on the side with the trip wide receivers and you're the guy taken the one who goes deep like you you can put him there and have him play. Probably you know. Eighty five percent of what cam newton gave you in that role Doesn't give you the versatility campsite and gave you yet. But it's a developmental pick. It's not that if you can get him on the field. Keep him in the nfl. Then you've got time for him to To develop and i see we were on the clock here. We are officially on the clock. As we wait for that. I do wanna mention tree. Norwood's athletic score two point. Seven out of ten like on the not great comes from his size though. He's five eleven one nine to twelve inch twelve reps on the bench which is gonna hold someone back as a free safety beyond that is vertical. Thirty three and a half inches is fine as forty four. Five eight which which is a good score in this His three cone and his shuttle were listed. It's very poor however but president stick size three cone. Wow yeah so it is interesting. Here we go got the pick steelers select presley harvard. The third the putter is going to pittsburgh. -partment is celebrating are we. Oh my goodness how you feel about them out. Sewers of a brand new punter ladies and gentlemen. Well it's a big day in pittsburgh. I'm not loving that for jordan berry but that was the rumor all along that they would get this guy. Punters are people to ladies and gentlemen as joe tells the hartman to jump on this livestream that come celebrate this pickle if he does that. Laugh your head off. Your this is amazing. This invasion around. But i'd like this partner. He he has a great quick kick He gets the ball out and he can booming. I love this punter. it's phenomenal. it's absolutely phenomenal. People are gonna people are gonna love this kid once they check and it's great. It's seven threats. It's your second seventh round pick. You know there's not. There's not much riding on that one. Yeah no absolutely will. All i try to load up some pictures of the guy to make a quick little graphic but how do you feel the punt this draft as a whole because now we officially have We have all the the names brought it. Well i watched film yet. I've i've only started watching film on like my first couple of guys Because i've been busy doing all this other stuff but it's it's You know the old deal. Hannibal from the team in how. You'll love it when a plan comes together. This draft is kind of come together. We got a quarterback who can fill the need we have. I think it shows a lot of faith in the guys that they already have from. The steelers We got an edge week. Our outside linebacker. We got our inside linebacker. We got our tackle. We gotta center. We got a running back. We gotta tie down like we. We can sit there and debate like well. Could they have done it in a different order sir. Of course there's tons of ways you can do it. But they got all the physicians filled and then also like through in a wildcard with a bizarre defensive. Lineman pick that no one. No one understands our guys. They found a way to get the punter hilarious. I am. I'm giggling on this one as i'm trying to put this graphic together in put put the put this draft. Put a bowl on this draft. This kid is huge for a punter. He is like a barrel. He looks like a rugby player. I think the best looks like a rugby player bought on has it. Looked like some of these pictures. This apparently this kid can throw so i. I don't know that's interesting. I guess you could say but added another dimension team but clearly. I think they were over over the the punting ability of jordan berry Story fro the jordan berry Heads out there but Now they moved on. They try to do it last year. They do it in the draft this year with. I believe that's the first punter selected. Danny smith was at his pro day. So what do you think is the steelers last. Pick of the draft going to be the guy that has the most production. You're one. oh he's going to make the team. I want to speak to our super tight here from austin smith. Thank you. I will make sure like. I know i'm splitting splitting film. Rooms this year with kevin smith. It was crazy last year. It took me weeks to get everyone out He's he's already on it. He's got a couple in the key already gone. I've got to catch up to him. But i will make sure that i get a breakdown this or and you can expect video that includes me hand timing clips of him planning on youtube which is incredibly inaccurate. Way to get. Hang time. But i will do that is going to happen. this this is going to go down. You can expect this broken. Pick to be broken down a lot by yours truly. I love it. I love the owner. And i wanna call you up michael. You're saying When we were on for the six round Afterwards you were saying like we have four offensive picks. We had four defensive picks. We had three defense picks at the timing. You're saying we need a fourth defensive. Pick and then special teams and everyone's like yeah that's where we get the putter ads. What the steelers dead offense players to start the draft four defensive players and then o'connor to put the ribbon on it. Yeah no it really is funny. It's the perfect symmetry four and four and one. It's beautiful. I think the steelers were probably most in love with this kid. Since the drought process began. Like danny smith was at his pro days. Chew gum is here. You just love it. But i guess chew gum and draft punters. And he's a lot of punters now. Apparently i gotta go. Oh beautiful. But i guess we can talk about it now. We won't be on the those. The series closing podcast. Suppose for this draft class. So if you want to a bowl on that pick or not even the pick the class in general how would you rate this draft class on your initial reaction. My initial reaction okay. i'm gonna give it a b plus. I'm actually pretty high on it. I don't think they like absolutely went out and crushed it. But i'm i'm pretty high on this draft class i think. Of course i've i have i. Obviously they need a body for cornerback. I haven't been as low on cornerback other people even with the losses they've had I didn't think edge was as big of big of a need. And they've found exactly what they needed their guy who's productive and knows what he's doing so even the late round picks were they were well distributed like we can. We can sit there and say yeah. They waited for senator round. But the guy the guy fits the steelers so well and then you you know for tight end. We got a guy who with incredible upside and a solid floor like i. That's a great pick for a second round guy the we'll see then it's going to be a it's going to be a fine is to be a fun training camp. I can tell you why if if they if they allow us at latrobe. I'm gonna be there cheering for the k. So i loaded up the stats here. He averaged forty eight yards per punt last year. In twenty twenty. That's boom and i'm pretty sure jordan barriers right around forty five. I think last year. So those three yards Do matter his his long last year seven yard punt so this guy has got a bazooka leg. Espn didn't carry the other stats. But it's upon her. I mean getting back to to my thoughts in this draft class as a as a whole. I pretty happy with it. I think they nailed all their major holes. I think pat i. I know some people were upset about it when it first happened. Once this guy starts catching passes. I could see steeler fans fall in love with this guy in quincy rochet. I think another guy steelers fans can fall in love with. I think this is a really good draft. Just when you look at it look at it on paper like i think is extraordinary. I think as the days are as the years go on. I think this could fall. Fall into the category is one of kevin colbert's best. That's really how i feel about right now. I really liked the value. They got some pics. I really like some of the names on the other. One's twenty twenty one pittsburgh steelers. Is this a is this a playoff team to this draft. Class push them back into into the land of the playoffs. I think so. I think it filled the holes. And i think you're gonna see you're going to see some of these young guys fill roles and improve the roster as ago. We're gonna make it better. I think you're gonna see growth from last season Because they've got some real nice guys on last season that are going to get real chances to shine now chase. Claypool should have an expanded role. Alex smith getting his shot. Kevin dotson will not be sent back to the bench. This season. they do that i will. I will flip but they're not going to do that. They're going to start him you know he's going to be there all sixteen games. Use our best offensive lineman last year. So i i. I'm a big fan of it. But you were saying this is to me. This low key really good draft. Where where would you rank it among. Let's say since two thousand seventeen last. Four draught five drafts. Yeah twenty seventeen. When that was over. I was jumping for joy. My oh my gosh. They killed the strike as time went on razi draft crew. This right the devin. Bush draft really liked that one as well last year's draft even though they didn't have a first round pick really good as well man. When you have to compare it to those tramps honestly. I could even go as high as number two like and that might be pushing it a two thousand seventeen. I remember when. Pj walk film lap. I was sitting in an airport. And i remember having to contain myself because i didn't want to look like the lunatic waiting to get on a plane. I would look really bad. Yeah exactly so. I was out. It's like sorry your unique look go. So that's a great question man. Like when i think about it purely from like the night of the draft ending i think i could put this draft is number two. I think i might be higher than most people. What are your thoughts. I would put it from my initial reaction to it. i would put it third. Because the devon bush draft. That was my guy that was one hundred percent my guy so i was super high on that draft. Loved deontay johnson. Well as after. I got the film. Yeah yeah. I'm still gonna put that higher just because devon bush so i would say two thousand seventeen two thousand nineteen in the two thousand twenty one. I wasn't as excited about last. I thought that potential but that was a really good draft too. So i yeah. I think it's a really good. He's a really solid draft. They did a really good job. Yeah i i'm. I'm quite pleased with this one. Do you have a favorite pick third round pick center sticking it really is because i was. I was rooting. People are like oh jeff really loved creed humphry. I wanted him because he was the best fit for. What the steelers traditionally do. All these other centers were out there. Minor's hill myers dickerson. All those guys don't fit with the steelers do so i was on crete. Humphry even look at it and saying okay. he's not really a people mover. he's more of a pass protector. He's outside zone strong. But he's more a wolof and not a move people guy and with kevin dotson decastro. You want someone who can move people. There just wasn't the guy that i wanted right. There wasn't the right center there. And i kind of mentioned that in some of our stuff is that the there really isn't a center that fits quite right because i never looked at this guy. I never looked at green. Never considered him as a center is either guard from illinois who cares But the steelers steelers do their work man. The steelers do their work and they found him. I think he's going to be a really really good fit for pittsburgh. Yeah i wholeheartedly agree with you on that one Now he honesty in all honesty he's gonna transition to the nfl and the reason he's a transition to the nfl. Well is because on one side of him he has david decastro and on the other side of him he has kevin dotson guy and he's got ben rothlisberger who can sit there and tell him. Look this is what you're going do like this is what you need to get down. And once they get that figured out once they get the refs between him and this kid down he's gonna be fine. He's just like kevin dotson did fine when he was coming in next the marquees pounds in you can tell marquees. Keep an eye on him watching out for making sure he was okay making sure. You didn't miss assignments dotson and decastro gonna be able to do this for this young center. He's do really good. he's my favorite. Pick okay a couple more things before we Table in this one Do you have any predictions for under free agent. Is there one name that you're looking at like. I hope they still match up. All all the ones i wanted all the ones i really penciled were drafted. They ended up drafted. I didn't think they'd be drafted. They were. I honestly have nothing. I could see them. Trying to chase k johnson if he if he's not mr relevant here but I know tampa bay doesn't really need another receiver. But i could see them. The receiver recruited people are to be after him. Yeah all right so last question here. Of course we're talking about the seventh round picks In this podcast specifically what do you think of Trae norwood and pressley harvard. In the third the biggest punter. I've ever seen in my life. I'm pumped these two really good seventh round picks. I predict that both our seventh round picks not only make the roster right. they're gonna make the roster and they're going to see actual snaps in the season. Both seventh round picks which is kind of crazy. I think that. I think that happens a season and it may not by the end of the year. I think even if you don't see injury by the end of the year you could see both of them get snaps. Yeah as for me. I really. I have a pretty big fan of how they rounded out this draft they nailed all the positions of need They got the partner. That's gonna really really going to change i think this team's as far as special teams go. They haven't had that weapon that Punters really can be jordan barry. How many times he screwed up a punt to be completely honest and put us in a whole but snowman puts five dollars in the tip jar anymore on jesper owner. He's got a canon of leg is really what it comes down to Danny smith was at georgia tech for his pro day. Outside of that whoops not really too much more to report other than he is a unit Love the pick. But jeffrey i'll give you the final the final thoughts here day Just just take us out with this with this draft class in your final thoughts even talking michael about special teams this draft with the punter in tow at the end has a fantastic special teams draft. it's been a good offensive draft. It's been it's been a solid defensive draft and it has been a fantastic special teams draft all right so i wanna thank every single person for tuning into this. There's going to be one more podcast today. Breaking down the entire draft. That's jeff hartmann. Dave scofield and brian. Anthony davis not sure if anyone else's joining them but i know at least the three amigos will be on there so look out for that. I'm probably in a couple of hours time or honestly. I'm not sure when that's going on so keep an eye on her twitter account. I'll make sure knows when they fire that up but Click over to behind the steel curtain dot com. I cannot stress this enough. We're going to have a breaking news when it comes to the undrafted free agents Going to do film rooms and all these players knee jerk reactions all the podcasts. That you might have missed are going to be on there as well make sure you're following along social media. Instagram facebook twitter just search bond steel curtain. 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The AP Draft Show - Episode 5 (2019)

Arrowhead Pride

50:12 min | 2 years ago

The AP Draft Show - Episode 5 (2019)

"Sir. A very merry draft. Miss to you. Thank you for joining us today. My name's Swanson on the lead film draft analyst for aero head pride. This is the AP draft show come at you about a month away from the NFL draft. We got lots to talk about today. We're gonna talk about trade ups into the twenty one to twenty four range in what kind of player pool we could expect based on recent speculation. We're gonna talk about round two corners with Craig because we've been talking a lot about a potential round one age wait till cornerback in the second round. What does that mean what players are going to be there have Craig break those down. We're going to end the show with a mailbag as we always do. But I'm gonna Jake's here with me as always find him on Twitter at Jacob Morley. Jake. How're you doing man not-so-good? Why? Well, did you did your phone break? Again. No is the three closing no thriving. I'm not living better be five e with your business one dollars three cents. I spend their every day on a coffee. I'm not doing well because my time line has been flooded with nonsense free agency nonsense free agency has been done since the first eleven minutes of the tampering period. Let's move on. Let's stop talking about it. If you're team signs, a free agent at this point in time. He's not that good. And it's not gonna help your team that much throwing shade it, but shot Bruin. No, besides good. I like the shot, but what I'm saying is let's move on to the real game changers of the offseason. And all that we have coming up in that is the NFL draft class what we should be focusing our tension on if if if draft misses a thing free agency is your thanksgiving and people should be playing after giving his win you're allowed to play Christmas music. So you're allowed to redraft profiles from here on out. This is a fishery. The there's nothing else to pay attention to except for draft season. We're it is upon us. And yes, so we're we're here to to help you do that. And one of the ways we're doing that kacie draft guide. I know we've talked about it every week. It's something we're really excited about and it's basically our passion project and all the stuff that we are bringing to you. When it comes to the podcast. And when it comes to, you know, the profiles and stuff we're doing on Arrowhead pride in the videos and all that stuff. It's kind of rooted in all the stuff we're doing what the draft guide over three hundred prospects are going to be ranked over two hundred write ups about how prospects specifically fit the Kansas City Chiefs, and we're so excited to show you guys this stuff. I think we're gonna have some teasers out here in the next day or two let you see the layout of what one of our pages looks like we've got some really cool features Craig's working on something very unique. He's been working on this week about, you know, Cornerbacks in kind of helping us athletic. Profiles and stuff to help predict success with the with the cornerback position. I'm really excited to read it. So we've got a lot of cool stuff. If you go to gum dot CO slash Casey draft promo code nerd gets you the guide for six dollars ninety nine cents. And it's it's it's it's gonna be really awesome. And we're we're about debt I this week, Jake, we've been watching the bottom of the Bill prospects like we're well over three hundred prospects now, but we wanna do diligence and kind of get the guys that are going to make the guide to make sure that we don't lose any diamonds in the rough. And I've watched some very good prospects this week about you the rough is it's mostly just the rough. There's no. Diamonds. However, there was a diamond that you. Yeah. Oh, yeah. So I mean when you go through this stuff, you definitely are looking for a lot of times. It's looking for traits like one or two things that guy can do are even if it's just like a handful of plays that you see a guy to that kind of make you open your eyes. But there was one specific person and he played for p played for a really bad college football team in Wake Forest. And that is offense lineman offense of guard. Phil Hayes Hanes this doesn't it? Leading that guy, but he is an absolute Mahler in the run game. And if there's one thing I like to watch I'll admit it all admit interior offense of line is my favorite position to evaluate. It's the the tape like twenty seven minutes long, and it's just guys bumping up against each other. And it's not fun. Always. But Phil Haines is is fun. He is the type of guy that's fun to watch. Because he is an absolute soul crushing run blocker actually tweeted out a Jif of him today. And I kind of just said if you're going to be around this guy, you gotta keep your head on a swivel because he's not satisfied in less. You're like in the ground your noses in the dirt. And that's just how he plays. He's got violent hands. Super good punch. He tested in the elite range on his RAS. So he's a guy that I'm actually really excited when I think he he may be a little bit overlooked right now because he played for such a bad college football team. But he's probably someone that NFL teams aren't. Probably know quite a bit about. But in the draft community. I've not heard him talk about a lot. He is fun. If you get a chance to are usually wouldn't say go and watch them off guard play for fun, but he's a fun watch. Okay. So I was gonna ask you this from a cheese. They lean on zone. They lean on outside zone. Is that guy that makes sense from a an outside zone team? Now, he's like so in my negatives. I just put like, you know, he's not like the fleetest afoot. He doesn't move super. Well laterally on tape it he didn't show that. So he may be a little bit of a scheme fit, and maybe not a great fit for the cheese power. Right. And so he, but also he scored he's in the elite range in his relative athletic tests, L. So he might be a guy that just really wasn't asked to do that a ton. Or maybe you that still has the Atlantic ability to do that. But you didn't see a lot of that on tape. And in fact, you saw a lot of stuff that was suggest maybe he couldn't. But a guy like that. You just never really know. So you get your hands on you get him in camp because he's got those elite traits. But he's he's a mean, dude, he just to tell her. I mean, those are what make this thing fun, though is finding guys like that. Amidst all of the. Let's say that she's do draft him. That's that's what you would lean on is. While the tape didn't really show that it looks like he's going to be able to fit in that outside zone scheme. But the cheese must feel that he's got the app lettuces to get the movement skills. So and and he's got the testing to back it up. So he'd be guy. That'd be really interesting to keep an eye on. Okay. We're going to bring Matty onto talk about potential trade up candidates, how the board could look when they get to that range that they could trade up, and then we're gonna talk to Craig about Cornerbacks after that. But we're gonna take a break real quick here. And we are joined from his car. By Matthew lane in Carolina. Find him on Twitter at chief and Carolina. How're you doing bud? Doing good. This is the the normal Thursday setup for me when the joint office at work is full of multiple people. We have to get pushed out into the car. So hopefully, MS it as yet commitment most days the office is available, but some nights it gets busy in there. Somebody else up there and then enjoy hearing me blab about a football while they're trying to haul time office life. I like how you like Andrews Matt like this is like not normal thing. Like Matt's always like much down on something in his car. Eating his lunch at nine o'clock at night. Yes. That's all fact, I appreciate the grind, man. Shred the shred this shredded. Yeah. Here we know gradually shred I forgot where the all diversion of grinding the tape. That's a blast. It all the end us. I think at the same time. How dare you of all the maybe maybe we're not think we're the target of those things retrial mart. Came failed. Much much better. Welcome to the AP shopping store podcast with that is the worst joke that has been told on this podcast. It stated the worst joke. I think that's that's a stretch. I that's a pretty bad one. I'm gonna tell an inside joke in knows gonna get organ laugh. Do you think there's any rotisserie chicken shopping mart? Yeah. Yeah. I think I think most came to do. So in fact, sell rotisserie, chickens. Okay. Let's talk about real football out. So after we recorded the laboratory, we kind of word sitting around round tabling talking through scenarios, and like trying to have a realistic expectation of a player, there's a potential for a player we like to be there in that twenty one to twenty four age, and then you kind of took the liberty of doing some research. And I think it's pretty accurate. I think this is pretty close to what will happen. Matty wants you just explain what you did. And how you looked at it and the players that you think are probably going to be gone in the twenties. Right. So what I was just doing when we were talking about it was going through. And just sliding in guys I think are one hundred percent going in the top twenty and I tried to air on the side of caution with this. So if I think there's a chance guy falls, I didn't put his name down just to kind of get a general consensus of who's gonna be there after pick twenty if we do want to trade. Up. So we were just going through knocking out quarterbacks one wide receiver one tight end. This isn't like a top twenty players, although it's pretty close. Just because these are the guys that are consensus top twenty picks by everybody. But we're just looking at the players. So we have about eighteen guys that I put in. There is definitely top twenty picks. And that's still doesn't include three potential first round edges in Brian burns, Montas, sweat and Cleveland Farrell now, there's no way that not a single one of them going without twenty. There's a good chance that too there's even a chance that maybe three you're kinda running out of pigs at that point. In time said the whole point of the exercise was just the sea at pick twenty one if one of these defensive in type players was going to be available for trade up. Right. So it's not less Acerra. Like, a you're going to have a pool you're not gonna have one of these three to choose from. You're not gonna get to handpick which one, but it's more. There's good edge talent that we think might be available at. Twenty one just based on how the poured will or very likely could play up. Yeah. Absolutely. And that's what it is. I think if you're looking at twenty one specifically like I said, I have eighteen names that I put his locks for the top twenty and you're gonna put in you're gonna slate. Most likely you're next to players if you're looking at any of these names that I have left, and I won't read every single one of them. But you're looking at probably getting burned sweat or Farrell. Two of those three off the board in your next two picks. Maybe a fourth quarterback of team really likes Daniel Jones. But that leaves you pick twenty one maybe even twenty two you're left with one of those one of those three edge players left, baby. It's not your first choice. Maybe it is. But it's just showing there's an options and not have to trade up into the mid teens to get a defensive end. Once you start to break down, the entire classes a whole. I think this exercise is kind of important. I think this is what teams are doing. You know, they're looking and saying the Vikings are going offense of line the. The Broncos are going quarterback. They're kind of playing through all these scenarios to kind of understand how far up the board. They moved out of curiosity. How many quarterbacks did you put in your conservative estimate? I put three and I feel very confident saying at least three are going to go in the top twenty. I think Murray's lock Haskins should be a lot. But I think you're starting to hear a little bit of information that some people think the NFL isn't as high on him. But then you hear the whiteboard stuff. So I still consider him as I mean, when I say, a lock your I'm probably talking above ninety percent in my mind because you can never say I certain that someone's going and injury lock. There was way too. Many people his probation a lot of interest with like heavy investment of their scouting department. Whether it's a head scout coaches, GM's rat drew locks pro day. There's no way the NFL just not interested in his physical tower at this point in time. So I think one thing it's fair to say with all this is you are rooting for quarterbacks early and often to force people's hands on Daniel Joan. Yeah. You want all three of these quarterbacks gone by the time. The giants pick their second time there at seventeen believe in is you all three of these quarterbacks going, and you don't want the giants to have taken one of them. You want them to take Daniel Jones. You also want teams to feel desperate to protect their quarterbacks and take offense lineman and a good offensive line class. Like, those two keys to getting defensive into fall is getting as many often of Leiden as many quarterbacks off the boards. You can quarterbacks always go strong line class. That's why there's a good chance. You don't have to trade up to fifteen to get a defensive end this year. That's kind of where is like in your routing. You're rooting for offense of line aid. I think that the teams there's there's some teams that very realistically could take offense of line. Right. You know, you think about the Vikings. I like the Vikings gotta be like almost near Loch to go offense of line, for instance. And. That's that's that's those kind of moves their helped the Panthers. The Panthers are going to be a pretty important one. Because I think they could go. So if they do choose to go offense of line there, then that's a huge win for the chiefs. Yeah. And that's the next step of the exercises starting to slate. Some of these players into actual fits net. What you can expand beyond the top twenty. I can start looking at what you think about twenty two three four going down the list even farther right now. I wasn't looking any specific. It's yet. But over the weekend, I'm sure I'll get bored at some point in time and start doing that in like, you said, I already think the Panthers the giants are the two big teams that are kind of pivot point for the chiefs in terms of getting a defensive end you get once you get past those teams. Yeah. There's other teams that could use them. But those are the two that I think are a little too far forward that you feel super comfortable trading up in front of. But if it gets by them, you can trade up in front of the raiders or the eagles pretty easily in those kind of other teams that you think are going to be heavy on the pass rush market. And I think you can go back or earlier even into the draft. And I think a huge pig is at number three would the jets do with that third pick. Do they take edge? Do they'd go tackle or they trade out of the pig too. They take edge. You're gonna start seeing that run on edges. Go earlier. Yeah. I agree with that. That's definitely the first one that changes probably the bigger grand scheme of the draft is what the jets decide the do. I was just thinking specifically from that. She's perspective with getting a falling edge. Like getting that last guy. You're looking at the Panthers. The giants are kind of the last team if there's one left after them, you absolutely have to trade up as soon as you can if you get by them with two or three guys that you still like on the board. You feel a little more comfortable waiting to the early twenties rather than jumping straight up there. But yeah, the jets I think everybody knows that they're lead Owen? They need to pass rush. But they're also willing to trade out based on having to give up picks last year. They control the entire draft will know picks one or two most likely before the draft starts are good idea. But the jets you have no idea what they're gonna do. And they can change everything. I think the other thing that is worth keeping an eye on is Oakland at four if they take an age, they definitely could double dip like, I don't doubt about it. But maybe they're not as about double dipping, you know. Maybe they don't trade up from you know, twenty four to twenty one or twenty four to twenty like that's another thing. I'm kind of keeping on if they edged maybe they're not as desperate later in the draft to go acquire one. So that's another thing to think about, but I do think that they're going to have to jump the raiders most likely, I think that's that's gonna be poured. The goodness. The chiefs though is twenty one twenty two twenty three that range. It sounds like they're willing to sell. Yeah. And if you find these teams that are willing to sell, especially if the board doesn't fall the way they wanted to if they're looking for even more offense lineman, especially interior guy, you can probably snag them back at pick twenty nine you can get a very good interior offensive lineman. If that's because you need like like teams like the Vikings or even the Texans who just need any single offense of Wiedeman. You can trade back. Maybe they'll be willing to take a little bit less on value chart to get back out of that pick just to gain that extra pick because that means more to them than fifty extra points, or whatever it may be. So it's looking like a buyer's market still you hear more and more teams everyday willing to train back. You're looking at like I said that twenty two twenty two twenty three range you gotta get ahead of the raiders, especially if they don't take an edge with I beg. Okay. Matty, if you had to guess today in a trade up who do the chiefs get with the let's call the twenty first pick. I'm still saying that I think Cleveland Farrell is going to be the last defense of n left on the born. I'm not one hundred percent. Sure. Why the why we don't think the NFL likes them as much as they did at the beginning of going into last off season. When people thought he was going into the draft. But out of all the hype you hear about people he seems to have the lowest. So I think he's the guy and thankfully, he perfectly fits what we think that chiefs are going to be doing defensive end. Yep. I totally agree. That's that's lockstep where I'm at right now. That's Mattie lane. They for joining us. But thank you guys. I'll be here next week with a even worse joke than the supermarket joke or store market, whatever. I even went west because that was pretty bad. It was amazing kichler, man. We're going to take a break, and we'll be back right after this. I'm music colleges. Nate Sloan songwriter. Charlie harding. We're the hosts of switched on pop the podcast where Charlie and I breakdown pop hits to reveal how the music works. And why it matters. It's our job to help you find those hob moments within the music, whether you're a pop fanatic or a skeptic a teenager or an octogenarian non musician or professional composer every music lover. Will discover something you're opening in switched on pop. Yeah. And we think you'll have a lot of fun with us because you're going to get to hear from amazing guest musicians. Song writers producers journalists listen to switched on pop. Every week starting in March on the apple podcast app or wherever you get your podcasts. Find him on Twitter at barley hop. It is Craig's scall- in Craig. I'm so tired. I don't even feel like giving an old joke right now. Oh, wow. I don't man. Well, I'm over here. Drinking coffee at eight forty four. So I that makes me young. I get. No, no, it doesn't it still doesn't like it. I just I don't lie. We were talking earlier like the grind is real right now. Homestretch case forgot kick right now. I don't buy reserves. We're going exciting. Like, I I'm energized in a lot of ways, but also the grind Israel. That's all. Okay. So we talked to Matty a little bit earlier about trade up scenarios to that twenty one to twenty four range, and you know, one of the things that we've kicked around here a little bit is the edge, you know, going early on edged and then waiting for round two at the cornerback position. I wanted to kind of define what that means. With names who do we look at as round two corners, some of these guys? Maybe all these guys are about to talk about they don't even be there at sixty one. Well, wait a second. Can I just jump in here? Real quick. I'm looking at this list of players, and they all look like reaches to me Craig at twenty nine. Why would you take any of them at twenty nine? Well, you know, one of them on the list is a guy that we talked about earlier this this week Justin lane, but let me preface this with that. When I made that Justin lane pick. There's a lot of people that screamed reach and then as the week went along Matt niller the draft network guys a bunch of people came out and basically told everybody. Hey, Justin lanes going early round too late round one. It's because they listened to the pod. Yeah. Absolutely. We inform all these people. Clearly course, but the thing is in the past three drafts. There have been an average of nine Cornerbacks taken before pick sixty one. I mentioned that before. But let's bring it up again nine that's nine ten and eight in the past three years. So if you don't think that Justin lane is in your top ten corners, then. Yes, you're probably right. He probably will be available at sixty. One. But if you do think that Justin lane is one of the top ten cores in this class. He ain't there. So let's go through some of these guys a little bit. And we'll talk about him a little bit and talk about the the sorts of things that they bring to the table and about you know, what we could expect that she's were to get him like that. Yeah. I think that's a good approach to that. And some of these guys have been mocked in around one. Let's start with the money. Or are you a got to talk to him at the senior bowl? What do you think about him? I like him a lot when you watch them on our warrior, the thing that you see the most is that he's long any as ball skills. And he's quick, and those are the three things those kind of things we're going to hammer home through this segment that boat Brett VJ Steve Spagnolo of said they want long fast corners with ball skills. Amani fits that. And he also fits in a zone scheme. You don't want impress very often. But he's a guy that fits really well on zone scheme. Smart guy would be able to. Run all these pattern matching coverages that spec. Knowle's gonna put out there. He's probably an early round two guy. He might slip into the back of round one particularly with like the patriots there. That's seems like a very patriots guy. So he'd be a guy that they'd have to either take it twenty nine or if he fell sorted toward the middle of the second be able to trade up. Okay. Let's talk about Joe Juan Williams. The man the man so nice. They named it twice in his fresh name Giovane Williams, six three to twelve at the combine he is huge any as fluid hips. He ran his Jila drills. Really? Well, he's just he's going to be a project guy, but that sort of size and lettuce ZIM, you just can't find like you don't find athletes like that to go out and play corner. He's a guy that's going to need development. You'll you'll be able to give. A little bit out of him this year. But he's definitely a year two year three year four kinda guy. He actually might make it to sixty one. If some teams really just need guys that can step on the field immediately. Joe haunt probably isn't that guy this year. So he might fall. Okay. Let's talk about the man of the hour. Justin lane cornerback Michigan state, recent wide receiver transfer transit transfer. I guess that's. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. See if the grind hashtag. People had both ways for Michigan state as recently as last year long as well. Crazy fast ran really fast and probably the best ball skills in the class at coming from a wide receiver was highly recruited wide receiver. So he he's a guide that you're going to be able to put on the field immediately another zone type corner that could play really well in some pattern matching schemes understands route distributions from playing as a receiver. He just makes tons of sense for this chiefs defense, but again early round to maybe late around one for him. Okay. Let's talk about a guy that was really highly regarded, even as recently as three months ago, two months ago started kind of taper off lately after combine interviews didn't go great after his athletic testing was very average de'andre Baker from Georgia. Yeah. And he's a guy that leading into the combine everybody said was really going to test through the roof like they expect. Him to test. Really really really well. And then he didn't. And he bombed the interviews. And then people kind of took a second to reflect his tape wasn't ever, particularly great. He's got a lot of holes in his game. He's not particularly big. He's not particularly great at the ball at the catch point. But he is a good all around corner. I do think that his range now is that late round to spot. I just don't know if he fits the size speed ball skill parameters that Steve Spagnolo is going to want at that point. But he's a guy that can kind of do everything, and that's another kind of requirement for Spagnolo. So I think he could be a guy there at the end of the second round, especially for a guy that was getting round one buzz a couple months ago into the second round. I think that's about where his value is maybe early third. Okay. So another guy that I think were probably. A little bit lower on than some, you know, you don't know exactly where his range is going to be Trayvon Molin, the cornerback from Clemson who finished incredibly strong with his national championship performance. Yeah. And he's he's a guy that the second half of the year. He had really really good tapes. So he kind of came into his own as the year with along another diverse guy that can do a little bit of everything. He's a good athlete as well. And he's got enough link that I think that he could function within this scheme. But he he's not really put that on tape for consistent years. He just kinda came on late. So there's going to be a lot of questions. What player are you getting? I've always kind of had this early round three grade on him. I don't think that I'd be mad at taking him in that round two range. And I think that's probably where he'll go. But there's a lot of questions about him. I wouldn't be surprised to see him slide towards the end of round three just one. Those guys that falls through the cracks after everybody goes for all the bigger names early round three or late rowdy or three for him. I had him as early round three. Okay. Okay. One more guy want to talk to you about. And this is a guy we loved talking to the senior bowl in one of my favorite players in this entire class rock. Yes. In ascending player from temple. What do you think about him? He he's to be like the darling this week in the draft community. Absolutely. He had his pro day. And he looked really good at his pro day. The his agility were the thing that was kind of really low on him because he did bench. Really? Well, his vertical was good. His forty was good. So everything looked pretty good. And then he got to the agility drills any looked very stiff, and so people had some questions about footwork about what he was going to do. He did his pro day this week and looked great. So I think a lot of those are eliminated. But yeah, he's definitely a guy. Like, Joe one that you you're going to have to of learn with him on the fly. I think you can get more out of rock than Joe one year one just because rock is just kind of escalating through he started. At Presbyterian college went to temple last year. He's only been at temple one year. So he's going to be a guy that still learning the game of football learning to speed of football. But he seems to be a quick learner. He's a guy that's got the right kind of football character. He's got the right wiring to be a group player. I would be ecstatic if he's there at sixty one to jump out and take him there. But I just feel like everybody loves him so much that he's going to go much earlier than any of us think I think he's an early round two guys. Well, yen. I mean, some people are saying he could he could slip in the late round one. And I get it. Like, you know, what you wanna talk about Bill check. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Makes character. Yeah. The football character. The the ascension that he's seen the growth and development that he's had over the last year. I mean, I could see it, man. Absolutely might be more. There might be more projection to him than than some are giving them credit for I think so too. He's coming off. He's got this wrestling background that really makes him a force at the line from from a press standpoint, he's really great with his hands. And so I think that that that's not teachable like you don't teach that in football. 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We speak with the top athletes of enemy from world. Champions two rising stars also bring you in-depth analysis on technique in our Monday morning, endless segment. We talked to some of the brightest minds in the game. We answer your questions regarding the latest news and headlines of the world of professional finding find us on apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. And it's time to do a draft mailbag bag here with Jake to answer some of the questions that you guys put out there. Thank you. As always for all those questions. We're gonna try to get through as many as we can't at Jack Oliver Casey asks is Christian Wilkins, a prospect that you would like the cheese to trade up for so Wilkins. Like I like the player a lot. And I think I'm probably I might be one of the higher grades that. We have on him. I don't know if that's a guy you trade up for though, I think if you're going to try to trade up you're looking to identify edge, a very obvious need. Now, the exception would be like if over inexplicably falls to eighteen I'm just I'm doing stupid things. Just try to get him because he's a top five talent for us other than Annalong interior defensive line. I'm probably focusing on trying to acquire it edge. And if I can't acquire an edge in the trade up on probably just gonna. See what sitting there at twenty nine on Jake. Yeah. I don't think Christian Wilkins is a guy that I necessarily would be excited about a trade up for. I think if you sitting there at twenty nine depending on how the board fell I I would be actually excited about that for sure, but I'm just trying to walk myself through. So if they trade up, you know, say they tried up to twenty one or twenty two kind of like, we think they might and the guy is Christian Wilkins. Like, I could be talked into that. I. Still knew there would be starting quarter. I'm starting to think can't Christian Williams play that strong hand. I d- end. I think he can I don't know. But I don't think that's necessarily where where you want him to live. I don't I don't know if I would want that to happen. And I. Maybe in a pinch. He could do it. But I think you could do it. And I think you could do it at a pretty decently high level because he's got a little bit of banned. These. The splits. But I mean, I don't know that's an inch. That's a good interesting question. I'm just kind of the wheels are kind of turn it on that. I'm talking about it. But I yeah. I think I talked into him. You're gonna trade up. I wouldn't be I wouldn't be slamming my fist against to table though. I would be scratching my head a little bit. I wouldn't be upset like he's a good football player. I think would the way I look at is though if you're gonna trade and asset let's say you trade your third round pick to move up to get him. Now, you've got two seconds not a ton of flexibility to maneuver around two. And you still need an edge. And you still need a corner. You know, so it's like that kind of just pigeonholes you'll little bit to address get a good football player address a need. You're you're not really addressing the right? Our guy country boy asks who are some late round edge gems. Well, here's the thing. There's not a time. If you're going to talk about like day three edges. I don't think there's a ton of guys that make like tone of sense for the chiefs. Right. Like, there's there's good players. But as far as like are they going to are they going to fit that long, you know, dense four three defensive end kind of mold like, there's really not a ton of guys maybe like data to if you're gonna talk about day to like, I think there's there's some guys that makes sense. A Charles a mini, Hugh might make sense. Maybe even an Anthony Nelson. It sounds like they're going to want some longer denser, six four two hundred sixty pound kind of edges and so there's not like a ton of true edges like that. I don't know what you think gee, guy for you that that's interesting, you know, Spagnolo has talked about, and he's even said he wants guys that fit the mold of someone that can withstand a lot of stunts in Twiss someone who's really good at that. Is why it Ray from Boston College? In fact, that's like probably his best trait is is he can really come screaming through on those on those stunts twists, and he is that bigger kind of bigger edge type that could probably play with his hand in the dirt. And that's what he does right now not in love with them. And that's why he's a day three type guy for me. But when you talk about late round guys, he's a guy that when we talk about traits when you talk about things that he can do that's something why Ray can do. So I think he's a guy with keeping an eye on. And and that kind of stands out to me just because you know, the D coordinator said that's the type of guy. And that's something. He is good at. So he's a guy for me worth keeping an eye on on day three. That's white Ray out of Boston College even outside of that. Like. Guys, go early if they do. And I think that's the reality. I think that's why we're talking about trying to move up. The board is there's really just not a ton of guys that are really fitting the mold. Wasted motion asks if Tyron Johnson from Oklahoma state is a legit for three forty guy. Like his pro day was does that show on tape in do you like him the late arounds Jake are primary evaluator on tyrod Johnson? What did you think about him? We'll to answer the question. Yes. He he is four. He's fast. You can tell he's fast on tape. That's about it. He looks. He looks like a track guy. You know? He does he looks like one of those types of he's out there. He's fast. He's trying to get like news running form on his nine route. And that's just kind of how he is. You know, when I watched and I actually watched him today, and he ran that super fast time at his pro day, and it gets you excited that speed gets you excited, but he doesn't have great hands. His his route tree is more like a stick. And he just doesn't he doesn't look like a wide receiver right now. He looks like a fast guy out there football pads. And so that's kind of your concern. Now, do I like him in the late around? Sure if you if you sit in their like late day three. That's again talk about traits. That's dominant trait. He's fast. He can run. You can take a flyer on a guy in the seventh round. Sure. I could I could see that that'd be fine. But he's he is a project. Make no mistake about it. He is very much a project displays chief asked. What does this year early lack that keeps him from being your safety? One jake. I'll let you stand for him. Because I know he's is he your safety one or as we'll be if he tests like I think he's going to because him and Chauncey garner. Johnson are so neck and neck right now and garner. Johnson tested. Well, so he's a sliver ahead of Adderley right now. But if Adderley tests just even above average, he's going to be my safety one. And so really tangible question nothing, he's he's my safety one. I think if you're looking for a guy on the back end with range that's going to be a playmaker. That's gonna take the ball away. He's going to be the guy that you wanna get. And I think he's one of the best cover safeties in this draft class. If not the best I have some issues with him. And it's not like, I mean, I still think he's a good. Player. I think he's one of the top thirty players in this class. Maybe thirty five maybe even a little higher than that. I think there are some questions with him tackling on tape. I think you know, he he missing very easy tackles that he should have made. I do like the level of competition. Here's the thing that is kind of an issue with him. He hasn't played a high level competition consistently. He was hurt during the process. His senior bowl. He did not get to show what kind of player he was at the highest level because he was working through a high ankle sprain. He really didn't get to do much at the combine. And now he's leaning on his pro day, which is today, which is today may or may not have happened when you're listening to this. So this is this is a big test for him to see what he what he looks like what he tests that that could help him through the process. We've talked about it on this very podcast if he comes out and runs a four five which is not a terrible time. But for him, it would be that would be that would be detrimental to his process. He's he's around you need see needs to run fast. Yeah. And he's he's a very good football player. Don't get me wrong. I think he's got a phenomenal mentality. I think he plays with his hair on fire. There's not a ton of there's not a ton of holding his game. You would like to see him tackle better. And I I agree with that. But for me, that's probably the that's probably the fourth thing on my list for say. So that's like a preference thing. But if you're talking about a safety one if you're talking about safety one, I mean, we're not talking about separating. And that's what if you would say like him in Transi garner Johnson. I think are pretty unanimously exp-, especially on this team our top two safeties. Chauncey garner. Johnson is a better tackler. He's a little bit more physical things will versatile too because played outside where he's made inside think we can do that. I think I really think he can. And so that's that's why I think you're you give up that physicality for a guy that I think is better in coverage on the back end, but we differ on that a little bit. So that's an interesting one to talk about for those players. I like both those players a lot. But. Yeah. So I think that's I think can't hit the nail on the head. That's that's what most people are going to keep him from being your safety one level competition and the tackling concerns. I mean, honestly injuries to he's he's been doing. He's not to this guy. There's there's not there's no knock for being safety too. That's the other thing like this. Here's a good player. He's a really good player at lush in nine asked with all the defensive line beef in the draft. What late first day to detach goals would make the chiefs take a long hard look before addressing oppressing. So one guy I think that would really I if he falls because of injury because of off field of Jeffrey Simmons is sitting there in the back end of around two. I would do it like I might trade out for Jeffrey Simmons in round two in around two. Yeah. I would move up and he's got talking. They're talking late for early second. Yeah. Saying if you sitting there around pick forty if he's if he's air forty just trade up and get. A top ten player. That's not going to be available to start training camp. He may miss part of his rookie year. But you're getting tremendous value. Some guys that you know, like trista we talked about this him this week. And this is a guy that I've really enjoyed getting into his tape, and we talked about in a little bit on the laboratory round two. I would I would not have any issues taking tristen hill the defensive lineman from central Florida. He has some of the most fun tape in this entire class. He doesn't know totally what he's doing quite yet. Like, he's still putting it all together. I think but his first step get off is exceptional. He gets into the chest of interior offensive linemen with consistency. He's disruptive. He plays with his hair on fire, and he kind of eases lower Radic at times, but he's flexible athletic explosive, powerful plays hard. He's a guy that I really like so. Yeah. Like, honestly, I I don't think I really have a ton of issues with taking interior offensive line. It's just where you get them. You know? I don't think you trade up for into your defensive line necessarily in us. It's like a consensus top five guy for us like like a all over. Some of the twenty nine like if the board sits bad, and you know, Wilkins's there or to there at twenty nine like sure go ahead chillers other guy that I was going to mention that. If you sitting there around thirty five forty he starts slide a little bit. He's a guy that could be disruptive, you know, into your in from an interior pass. Rush perspective might be a guy that would interest the chiefs to move up and get because they need pass rush any way, they can get it. The quarterback is is interior at once. Yeah. Yes. Interior disruptions production and interior disruption matters at Ryan eleven Alexander asks what are your thoughts on Anthony Nelson? Jake. I will let you start on this. I love Anthony Nelson. I really do and his testing numbers and Anthony also guy played it Iowa. And he is just a guy. That's as as a as a pass rusher. It's a little bit of a slow burn. And he's he's kind of a smooth. Guy. He tested really, well that doesn't really show up on tape. You can tell a good athlete on tape. But he's not like your twitchy explosive type guy. I think he's a guy that that can play edge compla-, and he can be an eight sack guy. Eight sack year, maybe pushing double digits in his prime. But what really gets me excited about Anthony Nelson is just just dominant. He can be in stretches in the defensive run game. And one thing I love about him is I believe it was Mississippi State. It was a bowl game. And he had I mean three plays back to back to back goal line. Stand tire plays late in the game that his team needed. And that's that's heart. That's that's you look at a guy and say like what does he have what it takes to be a dominant player. And when you put them on a goal line stand like that, you know, that's like the just old drill of of saying. It's you've verses the opponent. You can't let them cross the goal line. What do you got left in the tank to make a stop? And he did it three times. A row, and that is I opening to me. And I love that stuff. Because that tells me Anthony, Nelson is a guy that loves the sport. And he's going to go played out there for his teammates. And then on top of that he tested really, well, so exceptionally so you know, you say doesn't show up on tape. But you gotta really wonder. Okay. So then how was I wha using? Maybe we're not asking him to feel gaffe quarterback is much. I don't know. But he's a guy that does really intriguing to me size weight speed effort. All that all it's there. He's got everything is toolbox. So he's a guy that I really like, especially when you start talking about that second tier of Pash pass rushers in this draft class. Anthony Elson is right up there with any of those guys at Johnston twenty nine asks which players do you trade up for on day two. So you know, I think it kind of just depends on what happens in the first round. Right. So if they'd move up if they use the third round pick to try to trade all the way up to twenty one or twenty. You know, you've kinda gotta make some decisions there on how you're gonna move maneuver the board because you've got two second round picks. You've got a v six to seven at that point. So or two six seven the there's a lot of decisions you gotta make because if you're too aggressive after being aggressive with your first round pick. What are your you've got a huge gap in selections? You don't have any flexibility, you're probably dip into your twenty twenty arsenal. I think it's just kind of depends, however, allience of this question, you know, if they need to move up you look at guys like one of those quarterbacks Justin lane falls into the late thirties, you go aggressively grabbed him Jeffrey Simmons like we just talked about player like him. I think it's definitely to address either Edger corner. I think that's really if that's your if you're if you're trying to to maneuver the board it's going to be for an edge or corner. One of those guys we talked about with Craig trying to get into that tier little higher or. Maybe or a guy like Jeffrey Simmons or something crazy happens edge where I don't even know. I don't know if I don't know if there's really going to be an edge that makes sense. It's probably one of the course, if you're going into round two corners, one of those safeties that we even just talked about, I don't know if that's thing. I don't know if they want to try it out for a safety. It depends what they do at twenty nine due at that first pick. If they go out and get an edge. Then they're not going to trade up probably for one unless they are absolutely in love with that guy. Then maybe they double dip and do that. But that's a tough question to answer. Truthfully. Because so because we don't have all the information yet, you know, it's really gonna depend what they depend on what they do with that twenty nine pick. And that's what's that's what's. So fascinating about this whole thing. And this whole process is how they're going to maneuver the board, and you know, Visa's gonna be aggressive to acquire the players you likes. But how does he do it? I have a couple of theories with how he could do it with his two second round picks, and that's actually going to be a full fledged article in the guide. Kind of talking about some Brett features tendencies, and some of the strategies that he's done to trade in maneuver the port because even though it's only been one year. There's a lot of sample size of things that he's done. So that's going to be something that we're going to have in the guide, and there's always always always two or three guys that are sitting there around pick thirty five forty on the beginning day to that people are wondering what they they're, you know, Josh Jackson was a guy like that last year miles Jack has been a guy like that in the past Reuben foster was like a top ten pick until he wasn't, you know? So there's guys that even we're we may be talking about right? And maybe not even talking about them because we're just like it all has no chance in the top twenty. And then before you know, it second. Yeah. No cans, look. Over. But he doesn't you never know. He's one of the more controversial guys in this draft class. Would you be shocked if he slips out of the first round stunt still and I'll be mad at that. Don't take him. I'll be mad. But a compared to some of these other talk about you know, pre like guys that are like peg top fifteen guys right now. He's a guy that I think could fault probably not. But but if you have a five percent chance it happens every year. Someone does fall every year. You're always surprised by somebody. Well, that is going to do it for this week's episode Zengqi for listening. We will be back with the AP laboratory on Tuesday in another draft show again next. Spencer home by name is Jason Kurt. My name is Ryan nanny, we combined. We form the shutdown full stride. Keep telling you this forecast is technically college football podcast. But it's also a show about care disaster regional grocery stores. We love Tennessee Batman, homeowners associations bears in video games. Pittsburgh. Batman the hell of being drafted a group. Text unreliable legal advice. I mean, there's also some actual football discussion about coaches having contracts coaches making terrible decisions or coaches saying really stupid things as saying released. Yeah, there's lots of stupid things in this big dome. 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Jungle brothers dot com and at jungle brothers movement. Yesterday justin lang josie. Let me give a little intro about who you are and how on plays and then i'm going to hand he's view of you. He was on the way back when i was a very well back when all this. I'm still a brown belt. But when i was a very early around into too i did a stint of training at a gym in alexandria and one of the legends. Who i trained with the gone. I'm alex practice practice practice gets brought. I think it's so i try with alexander. Alex was was a coach. There and catches rob whitaker indrajit series staff. Alex always said to me. You have to fuck and train with justin you injustice. He's like you're like mirror image. How you meant yeah mirror images of each other and was that. What do you mean man. He's really strong. He's he's really flexible. He's got a gym. He's teaching people very similar. What you guys are doing a jungle brothers and naturally the competitive sodomy was like jim. Like mine straws. Yeah okay alex. Anyways we did get the opportunity to raw together once and it literally was like fucking meeting my match. There was like there was limbs. That could go anywhere. The rangers were all strong that was control everywhere and it was like it was really cool. We finally got to connect. And so that was how i met justin and i think we had. We had a little chat. Maybe about what we do in training sort of thing but not to any great extent. Cut to a couple of years light up when i ruptured my acl again. Trying to jitsu talking with a friend and he was like man. You go see justin. You go see him for your rahab so i was about nine months or twelve months into the post surgery but i thought i'll give just happening. You invited me down to jim. I went dan. You took me through a few simple tests. Basically what you how you sold your your knowledge and yourself to me. In that moment. I was like this is the fucking place i need to be together to get back to where i want it to be and i felt like i was really good hands and you also took me on to a regime which is quite different to us in many ways and we'll go into what the difference is. I light up. But i was really impressed with the spice. And we've how you sort of carving your own path and you had this idea of helping optimize people who have knee injuries and other injuries from sports and whatnot. And so yeah. So that was it. And i've been training with you now. Three months three months yet about that. And it's been fucking awesome. And so i've wanted to get you on the show since and and yes. That's a real pleasure to have you along. Have anybody good man. Could you give us a little background on you. Sort of way james. Hey came into the whole thing. And i go to an interesting story. Gone back with your dad and with the rugby league and all that yeah basically grew up in a football families dad. We moved from queensland as new south lost sydney In ninety four when he sought a coach in the corolla shocks. And i did my first introduction to like again being a trainer as mixing the guy to ride and gives. You probably get qualified for this. So i did a ahead right now. I was helping out. And i'll sit around on the field and stuff and then i did more liberal one sports china's a think it was fourteen in the middle. I decided the time this is limit on this thing. I think there is so i did. It have been fifteen point now but became a level one sports trying to fifteen. I was typing ankles running on the field reserve grade given water out. I mean i always say lucky to grow up on a farm are dropping out professional sporting environment guy from straight from roy. Cross the road to shock. When i play. It's like a five minute walk every day after school and then spend my whole from three thirty to come with died. Yeah so that was marsa. Introduction into that became a pay didn't didn't really enjoy personal training for white loss. It was just wasn't my thing So i got into our into went to united sports science so went down the path initially and then disorder. I didn't want to still wasn't right for me. And i decided i want to do my own things so i lift training sports teams in the early thousands and just trying to my garage and we got too busy for that. Catholic nyberg compliance council came. I keep doing this. So then i'll move into about one hundred and fifty square meter spice and we were doing mainly gym work. Started doing a bit more rehab there. It's just sort of flight on. We outgrew that let be moved to a spicier yours in carrying bar and then yeah now. We've of an exercise physiologists. I you know working with accusing exercise to fix things or improve health and wellness We finally specializing musculoskeletal. Rahab got a team of staff as well that physio another ap sport scientists and an another person trainer as well who run what we do from the gym. So that's the way it's does the Does sport science. Is that any kind of precursor a prerequisite for a for exercise physiology. They two separate degrees. Now what's actually. It's the same degree like it's a bit to be honest. It's it's a bit complicated. so you do An undergrad degree in in sports exercise. Wherever the cost emis but you can be a sport scientist. You can be an exercise physiologist and you can be an exercise scientist. Is the confusion all issue so exercise sinuses. Basically you haven't done the additional training to it's more like a university qualified sort of personal trainer essentially that might offend a few people much all but that's working with healthy populations an exercise physiologist. His training to use exercise for chronic conditions. Little rehab and as a message across iva going between physiology. Ap now and then a sports scientists you actually have to make criteria to showing that you can out of test things and You'd normally work more in a professional sports scientists. But i actually hold that qualification as well as an exercise physiologist. Sorry yeah just sort of means that you do testing for more for sport rather than Injury rehab but we actually used of that testing for our rehab height. We put you on the load cells and that type of thing when you came in so using that sports sites equipment to like monitor injuries. That type of thing. Yup that was one of the one of the things that i think. I was really impressed by. And and something. That i saw greg value in was when i came in you the tests that you do and i'm guessing the test of change based on the individual and what their situation is but they're very very scientific approach like it's very very accurate you'll measuring things is kind of guesswork. I mean i guess you. There's always a bit of guesswork but you're juicy not as much as you can see. You're trying to get these things down to where you've got like really clear data. And then that's the data that you're operating off to kind of determine when someone is rahab to win the good to go back as an odd to science and the science in auto think usa. And i think like with we do try to be objective in terms of getting like measures of leg strengthened symmetry from side the size of your operating a deficit like say under ninety percent. Liam symmetry there. And you're doing jitsu particularly doing cutting sports like field. Sports and strive for forty soccer. Whatever hockey you increase risk of injury particularly had an injury and then there's the deficit so just to clarify that for folks who here hearing this and and like trying to keep up. Its you're saying that when essentially one leg is stronger than the other to a degree. That's that's less than well. There's temps in different. Yeah for sure that will probably be because like if you if we if one to say took ten jets goes from your gm and they weren't injured and you tested limb symmetry holly likely to have like the isometric a probably not going to be a if we do leg extension testses sit in a chair pushing to these load cells that measure force like the old seated like extension and that raises quote strength. It's holly luckily plenty of them will be one legally under ninety percent like probably the non dominant leg but So i mean most people who aren't even have injury walking around is symmetrical but after an injury what we know. Is that if you have a neighbor or meniscus operate problem over near rake out that limbs symmetry can get down to like thirty percent like even twenty when you get out of surgery like evidently moved in the much for like six weeks in that first period it gets very weak and people can go back to sport at like try. Fifty percent symmetry and the research. There's a study that was done that looked at meeting these four criteria and basically it was this if you meet these four criteria on Strength balance jumping and landing. You get symmetry greta the ninety percent your risk of a second ice. He'll injury guys from forty percent down to ten percent so a thirty percent reduction in risk by meeting these targets. But you know you said about the Taking the guesswork yet. A lot of people. It's all of its gone around at the moment like knees avatar scorning and we do that For certain people at jim but some. I'm getting a few people that have tried to do that. And it hasn't worked for them and it's because the You know that that might be say exercises medicine but you can overdose on medicine. That exercise is like a bit of medication. It doses the knee with with load. But if it's not the right time of not from right condition it can potentially make it worse and on the flip side you can unindo serve you. Sit there doing a one kilo ankle white on your on your ankle. And you're doing lee extensions and still six months surgery will at under dosing and you will never get back to ninety percent limbs symmetry so the art is how far so got the saw hanson. We can check it. The art to it is hell thought you push someone eight session to create an overload. That gets this. Tissue response is a great term called mckenna transaction and. It's the scientific explanation for why how exercise is used to mechanically load the body and provide stimulus on the human tissue cell and your body responds and adapts that stimulus. I mean if anyone that's like riding to their rahab that's such a cool thing to look up his mckenna transaction so exercise therapy mckenna therapy so like mechanical therapy next mechanical because as mechanical going through it so again if you had guinness someone's treating your knee still with manual therapy. Therapy paying they're putting the hand touching perking breaking all stereotype stuff. Yeah there's a. There's a we do that we physiology does that But there's a time and a place for it and some probably traditionally in stryer and a lot of other places where he had that goes for too long as my knee feels great but that this conditions long-dormant in the body and then all of a sudden you've got to try to get back to jets and you haven't built the capacity to do what you do so reeb cyst all about. What do you want to be able to do in sport or your life and then in your training able to injure what you guys are doing. You've got to make sure that you can meet the demands of what you need to be able to do and hopefully excited demands and then you're at less risk of injury if you do have a bulletproof party for bj because you basically building these tissue capacity to handle someone compressing you or getting twisted. I mean just doing a program like that one iran like it's it has to. They will just cut down the risk. Because it's like you your training all the movement patterns that underlie should you. So but you try them in our salvation and you put them all together and then the whole stronger united so and that's essentially what we're doing with rehab you so Yes that's basically. That's sort of rehab. So that's the to to to pick a term used before that the dosage pace and finding the right balance not under dosing. Not overdosing. And i think for i think fox anyone that's training can can understand that it's lack. There's a sweet spot with even simple stuff you come into the jimmy. Don't five by five dead lifts. There's some there's a load there and there's an amount of volume that's that's bang on. You laid that session like fuck. That was tough. Bits offer a couple of days but come back and wait to wake again strong but then you can also just cook yourself with that fry back. Maybe you're dead lifting often your overdosing on that thing hundred percent and you're taking it too far so that exists in training general right. It's it's it's it's the You wanna bring it back to Physiology think it's cold. The hans sil- stress at patient model If you look that up and it's basically when a stimulus applied to the body hummy. Isis is disrupted and you go into accountable excites. That's baseline apply the stimulus which is like a white training session. When you leave that session you'll body is in a catastrophic state tissues broken down so if you were to perform another session. While you're below the curve below stasis you wouldn't perform you did a bench procession then as did another one. You hit the same numbers because you had tissue breakdown you go home. You go why what happens is that it stops dropping and the curve starts trend backup towards baseline but with training. We know that you get this. Overcompensation of super compensation cycling south comes and it goes above some of that stimulus. You end up. Above the hairstyle is the baseline. And then if you time another stimulus again then it drops polo and it goes back to soup compensation and you. That's that linear progression. That people get in strength. Training is that just adapts to stress and always say to people like in rahab moi's scientists like the women in africa that way the nick rings and the other they call but in the lights and lights on in the in the top thing. The body just adapts to stress. It's unbelievable like in most of the time. Boys like oregon. If a rehab file strength doesn't fix everything it doesn't like surgeries are record. Things lock things unstable. If you don't get surgery but most of the time for the majority of rehabs. I reckon people either not consistent enough or or give up on the rahab stop doing the process and we always talk about the process which is just rocket up to training and heating e fuller medicine. Yeah taking the prices to becoming beta giants. Get on the mat three four five times a week so most people give up on that before they actually truly find out if that exercise therapy program was going to fix that problem and i go to surgery too early Like i said there are stiffly conditions. Where exercises of had them is not going to work anymore. And you need Backs can get to a point where you need a disc replacement spinal fusion and trying to build strength or even. Relax the muscles and not going to get you need to go in terms of like with your pain. Sue but i'll say this. I think that stress adaptation model. You've if you the most injuries If if you drive that up and you stay consistent the body heals itself. United three natural history. Just the body is very good at healing. So if he's going to facilitate that hailing with that super compensation model. Is it possible. That one part of the jane poll could basically hack it. And i'm talking about anti paul and his brother used to heavy squats and then they'd go jump out on the fucking rugby failed and smash everyone lighter. You remember when you guys would be like you. We go do heavy squads before we before we play. Forty and all is always like dude. That doesn't make any sense to me. He was like feel fucking awesome. Yeah it was a long time ago. I was young. He was the elder brother. Locate you that does not surprise me now. I think so. I mean if you want to think critically about that what you just said that. Let's just say he's probably with these genetic makeup he's probably scoring one fifty and then when he steps out on the field in i probably betide but he can still squat on thirty hopper and then the skinny white kid is like nasa's voting seventy kilos even. If he doesn't do. Jim pennies fresh still so far below athletically and he's still based anyway but look at other people talk about joe. You remember this. It was like like you have to train chest and shoulders on the same day. Otherwise the anterior. Deltoid is getting injured. That was a member that there's like bad programming. If you do chest on one diane shadows on the next just like these anterior deltoids is full of people's bodies. Now i mean it does make sense three pushing movements that you do it together but you can do anything you want to do like this dude you on on a hammer or die and their bodies to dance to it. You can score everyday. I mean at some point. You know if you keep going with say. Fob sits squads every everyday you probably just end up over time maybe adapting to that and be able to handle that but if you go if you rent that program up too quickly i won't. There's if you're actually maxing out on each of those days. Yeah but in maxing out the problem so much dislike overseas is like if you say it's you max out once a week and then just went sub max seventy percent for the next four days and your body could handle that then you throw in another maxine die us. Keep doing that same private scoring every day. And then you do on on imax on monday thursday. And he'd rather die seventy percent. And then you max and over a period of years you went to maxine yet. The women in africa their bodies just adapt to stress just amazing. But no one's going to probably do that. People are doing it. What are you doing it for but you do. You know you see these programs that people come out. And i defy what you should do and often i get good results because this is just in. The words of craig alexandretta the three time Sorry five time champion triathlete. He is a friend of mine. He said more is always better. Unless you get sick or injured said we're going to the gym and people are like you recognize should put the white up or did you recognize. I could do another one of these g. Reagan do another session of jit's. Yeah i just remember this more is always better unless you get sick or get injured. Sounds like anyone. That's doing like the boys yet. It smeaton grange and they're producing level in fars even the guys not in the ufc and they all would like to think that they are. I mean i can't speak from a brought just not my doing the work like i just grinding everyday. The hit multiple says sessions every day. Get booted if you'd right. Rock up the sessions from the off line. Yes sort of in run a yeah like ah doors are going to work and stuff but again even then. It's it's like they're not doing that tonight. The fought teams to make money to produce good fodders. And you know. I mean it's a big thing to take on a fodder and do the work and they win because we're not winning bayton up you know. So so yeah i mean. I just think that you know that that fundamental principle is you know. We all are on rigorous in everything that we do. So we're going to do something do it. Where we're rigorous now rehabs. So i like people to be trying to rehab you own a knee like i think need to be every second night you know just hitting at least three sessions a week but you can get good benefit from doing one session or if you get jerry lakeway if someone's doing something wrong in their rehab and then you actually take that away so because again if they're doing a loading that's irritating the knee even just actually taking that same doing any extra rehab was like we have decided they probably is a game because you you stopping the wearing out process of the nascent doing some tissue learning that might be annoying the author artists in the knee. And you stop doing that. Then they will instantly better in without any sort of strength gain a question about the rehab. And i guess it's a fairly young pay doing three years and A question like a language feedback that you get from clients so say. I feel like a lot of this. You're talking about with paypal and become becomes to do with strength but more for the rehab say if you have like tendon and ligament that's been damaged yep and we've come to the rep range that we know a safe. I think historically from studies and tests decades of knowledge being put together so we know what works based on the papers and stuff over time but still in that process. There has to be a bit of a feedback process from the client or the person right so like say you go okay. This person and he's reluctancy and high volumes and they need this month dosage and you have to make sure they're any more than that in the weeks because we're going to start this process. And then they need to somehow let you know how it's going to do with pain like you know because you're not going to test the maybe for Like with any force plates or anything of that point. But like i guess the questions around. How do you get feedback of some especially. If it's in the tendon ligament do you ask for the feedback thing there or is you have to rely like you said period and then get feedback after four weeks and you always earned the side of caution economy get one so like for instance for a tendon tendon. Rehab will be. You'll have pining your rehab. Tendons like loud. They they put in your body to handle highlights like loud that like to be overloaded very quickly and they really don't like to be delighted. Let's say for instance. Excuse me they say for someone starts running and i developed a sore achilles. That's probably come about as a result in sparking the amount of light this gone through that achilles nephews futures are removed that stimulus. It'll probably settled back down but it develops into look at ten and please. You've got like a pathology in the tendon. The an what happens is the ten will lose. Its capacity to do what does which is store released lowered. Then we need to do is we need to strength training our way out of that you need to use exercise to load it to rebuild that capacity. But you know that you'll get a have pain when you lied that tendon so we would say let's work at a pain threshold of two or three out of ten to two to three out of ten of pine and that would be a guide for attendant. If someone does can you just define tend to not 'they or pathology what are we what's actually main like an irritated ten done some sort of damage to the structure of the tendon and now that tendon has lost its capacity to storm release energy. Sometimes that might mean that at some like you develop a lump on the tendon. Sometimes they might not be up there. They might just be some inflammation on the surrounding tissues around the ten. Say it's normal exclusive. there's different issues. You can get with tendons but essentially they or another big one is that you'll get pliers. Applying all year sock applies running. Then they just the the pro guys then have a month off and go to obey third party and they used a lot running thirty as awake forty carries awake plank. Two games a week and training and then all of a sudden it goes to zero so that tendon sitting there going was malaria getting forty kilometers of running a marathon runner. And then all of a sudden you just cut to zero. So this explained through. Tim gabbert's research in acute to chronic workload. Ratios the people that are doing sport like you need to get forbade. Jj i mean not so much but you could still apply like your cute workload is the amount of load that you do. In one week and the chronic workload is the average workload that you've done over the previous four weeks society. If you're used to running you go for four two and a half chirons tank as a week and you do that four weeks in a row. Your average forty kaiser over four weeks. The average workload is ten kilometers. If you then the next day or the next week you run twenty kilometers that wakes guy for four or five chirons that'd be an acute to chronic workload ratio of two to one and what the research shows a sweet spot for juicing load and increasing load and seeing this sort of like point eight falls any below. One would be a reduction in load anything above one is more. You've done more that week. Compared to the average of the previous four weeks. So there's a sweet spot of like eight five to one point three. So i if you guys if someone's doing two sessions a week and they straight away went to four and you're talking about sixty minutes of jit's twice a week hundred and twenty minutes and they go to twenty forty. There's a really good chance that they're going to say my back. Saw the body's just not used to that on top of that fidgets he can twine you bloody and then you've got an injury but just don't like training load and wondering why you're back stiff if you've doubled your workload. So you can reduce the risk of that happening. Sporting teams now using what's sports honest and measuring this and they're respecting increases increases. And they'd just they'd tracking every play. Look at how. Many exposures to like high-speed running. So if you check your hearts paid running exposure up too quickly hamstring strains if you choose to work in the gym and build the tolerance in the off season and yeah you've reduced so we know right that through that acute chronic workload rice. Is that the way you don't get engine is. You've got to develop a body that can do chronically high workloads more lard every week. He's better as long as you've built up to it safely so having lord every week. He's better a body. That's actually capable of doing a lot of work. You build this thick links on the china builds resilience to load right. Yep so bodies capable but the thing is if you try to get to that point too quickly. You'd spark you load if he's in park you load. So you've just based on his ten ks off you multiply that by one point two or you know you might increase. Its twelve coloma's next week. Not guarded twenty. There's actually some science behind it. Can that can guide you on that. You know just back to your question on of the ligament. Let's say like in dudes always doing greg ligament injuries to their knees in. Njit right on that if laxity depending on if there's a degree of laxity that's sometimes bryson the and they brace it in a range that doesn't stress the ligament so we might do nothing in a range of thirty degrees knee flexing to ninety. That's the rains at the bryce is set in. And they'll show you go. You're working collies riding a bike. Yeah working middle range but if you went to look at your name that stresses the ligament on the if the media liggett and if you bend it back to five stresses it so we might on that one the loading and i've got some more discomfort because just cleaning that take always say in rehab. How of paints too much civil if your needs saw at a one out of ten cleaning teeth. Let's not be too concerned. The one hundred ten doing a leg person reform. 'cause you just gotta sony right but on a ligament though you wouldn't push it like attendant because you that ligament to scar up it's like a it's a it's a stretch out and that supports the knee and you scar up and he'll type so if you're sitting there getting into someone did a great to and there's laxity in that ligament and your knees a bit loose test for that the fees test for that yet then and you stop banging away at the end of ryan pushing through pine it can heal lacks so now you've got this Lack of a lax ligament there. That's not as tight so you wouldn't want to be ligament i'll be like let's try to load without putting too much. You know if you respect ranges ligament you want increase. That could actually put some light through the native. Stop the cords atrophying and you wipe compromise the healing of that ligament but like a muscle a muscles not as resilient as a as a tendency. If you strain you hemi or your peck again. You want some parents say if they don't on a muscle and tendon if they don't feel pain in the ballpark you your your under dosing. Not because you need to apply strict. You need to apply stressed to get in the app. So has this on canoe just before you just for folks who are listening and less knowledgeable in the failed. What's the difference between attendant ligament so you could say you'd see your achilles tendon on the back of your foot that's the when you jump and land. It's like provide this like spring. It's for energy storage and release side. That's attached as the muscle to the bone and then basically a ligament often attach bone to bone. So you've got like in your knee like the the the the medial ligament guys from the bite in the upper leg to to the lower leg and it stops that joint from falling apart. All these different ligaments around joint spine to bone and then tendons generally guy from a muscle into a by connect that pot. Okay so so. The desert contract all property then to two tendons yes whereas not to a ligament like it moves. But it doesn't it doesn't contract. Yeah i mean into the rates. Any you asked me questions now. Essentially it it'd be it's a ligament is designed for support not for energy storage and release. They'd be a degree of like pliability to the ligaments of those twist watson inside squats collection as inside those. Yes so the the guy from Summers the gymnastics police touch at christmas. I'm oh yeah like. He's big on doing. It does yeah. The twisting talks one hundred percent. So i mean it looks ought even think there's any research out there but when you look at what i need as when you sidestep at vegas in when we do jittered very so it doesn't make sense just to train linearly. You have to put so you have to put some sort of stress. So i've got no doubt i mean the no so we know that ligaments adapt to lie because the acl ligament gets thick out in a competitive season in the off season gets thinner. So it'll have it's got some your depths to load as well but when you said to me how does it upright. It's not what for storage and release of energy support joint. So yeah. i'm i'm a big believer in doing those knee bending activities to stress it and and to keep the joints pliable particularly as you get out on. I mean it's Then there's like meniscus like that's another t. sheets like a shock absorber in the knee and you know. The meniscus can heal. I wonder when someone does like a bone can heal and say when someone has a stress fracture often guy like you know we gotta stop sport. Stop me i walk on somebody gonna crutches or even like a safer instance like a stress fracture in verbal in the back. It's often we've got some really good luck. Angel mcdonnell dr paul net sports physicians that like are refer to because they've got an understanding of what we do and say someone's got a stress fracture in the vitamin a back. Rest for six weeks. Minimum is generally the thing that you do right to let these barnhill up. Six weeks as the bone healing. But i wonder a. I'm like if someone had to say yes or no rome do. Do i think that an element of loading would help facilitate the bone. He'll like some sort of dislike compressive stress like walking. Mom saw the bone. would probably. he'll better if you walked the earth rather than just lay down in a in a bed for six weeks for that bar agree. Now the the acl and this is this so my first. Ico was done by merv cross. Who was the guru nieces. And my dad when i did my. Ceo coach's son. He was said to the club. Doctor who's the best. And i said cross and merv crosses one of muscle niece sydney and i'd why patella tendon downs mcgruff money reconstruction. His son. Tom cross is a sports physician. And he's doing the cross bracing protocol and what it is for certain types of ruptures of the ligament is mid substance rupture of the ligament. Which just bisoli rupture straight through the middle if they get the knee locked in a brace for four to six weeks. It's four weeks the protocols this you locked knee in bryce for four weeks and at ninety degrees those two ends of the torn ligament closest point of looked at that stallone at emory that the anatomical closest point they are getting almost. I'm pretty sure everyone is done. Mid substance it's been about thirty guys or midst ruptures done this article. I'm pretty sure all thirty have hailed. I call it a four and a topical here with ico reattach itself back together again. Now that's one way. They used to put the a sort of screw things here to walk on others. So i said to what i met with tom. Kosovo right my i saw. Tom wants from my shoulder and he works. As i dream pets was was yeah. He's a good guy man. He's a cold and very personal. Like just go conversation with a patient. You'd be all under human. But a he he said to me you put them in a in a on the scooter and he said no. Don't do that anymore. Crutch because we found that on the scooter still like on the knee on the padding the scott so i just want the name locked in a embrace so he talks about why ninety degree and ninety four weeks in the hostile would yeah of got one of my one of my football who spoke to me about rehabbing. His knee One of my guys is doing. At the moment he'd be about four weeks. And then i get to move it from. I think. Thirty to nine. Am weeks four to six. But basically you're in bryce about wakes. But i slowly wean you off the lochner like fat four weeks But what they're getting so with no writing he wants a nor lighting. He's once that ligament to find itself and it finds itself and they getting these four anatomical hails so people say to me are just for a visualization. It's like like ligaments. Super tiny rocks very short. Yeah my guess it's probably like Pinkie finger maybe something like that right. And so and so you'll sign. It's not in the middle. And you've got these two little bits of finding these little strands and they kinda just hanging out and you need joined the they will start to find funny and then just like graft happening and what they do at the moment so when someone is two percent so now when somebody and this is where you know like i love the icl rahab so we. It's called a shared decision making model. This is like really important information to put out to the jujitsu community. So if what does i see. Oh now what should happen is they should sit down with someone and be educated on. What are your options. So options are that you're finding out what top erupt you had and you can look at that. So the doctor looks at the skin and a report so in actual the radiologist reporting on they they do report on amid substance rupture. But the kid is this of cinnabar seven people to tom who have contacted me at ico rehab. There's different bundles. In the in the icu. And what happens is that are coming out of the bone. One bundle can flip forward like a fringe on like an ant. Like someone's hey and then one bundle can flip back the way you want to guy for for the rupture. That's good for bracing. They know now that if one bundle flips forward that they'll still get some sort of hailing looked at ninety but they call it a non anatomical. He'll it doesn't heal out. Lock your true. Icl ligament so you get a fifty percent hail and you know what you could say. I'm having fifty percent like people to operating with with partially torn. icl they wouldn't even know it Heaps people do. I felt fine after i did mine. I could have like when i was in under the initial wave or two. Yup i was. I felt like i was back to noble. We know now that people if you do the stability training some people can cope with attanasio. Peter wallison paint the senate. He played in the narrow without an aco. Because you've just done the bouncing price. Perception work down there are just. There's these cases like that that are out there and it's naive to think that they don't exist not aware of those those cases now this research to show that even without bracing the can heal so We walk around off. Ruptured your your acl. Ligament it will have some sorta hailing the only problem is. It's like did it. He'll up his knee outbid laxity so when they do. The lachman test is that a bit lax the hailing. And you want. I guess most people would want a like a proper functioning. Ico but here's the kicker again there's actually a lot of research to show that like if you go. Non operative and you don't even do the bracing protocol that people going back to the sport to sport with jewelry you go do a rigorous rehab like lots of hopping landing balanced perception strength work for minimum of three months and more the returned a sport at about five or six months. If you didn't go with surgery and you can have a stable knee. It might not be it might not be stable on a stable test but functionally if you got and jumping. Land your stable. We've got clients taking that option in their gym like if you want to go the pricing let's say for your can't bracing protocol and you but you know what you mean a bryce four weeks as you live at home you gotta work in walk around so we go to a gym. That's done that and she's pay she couldn't afford to be in a bryce looked at ninety four weeks on surgery. So we actually in that nina. Brace for a period of thomas she will have got some here. We look at the royse gain. 'cause being four months five months even she loves some sort of healing. But she's doing all. These julie's stuff's in the gm and she hasn't had surgery but she isn't going back to support yet but there's lots of cases now where people have gone back to support without surgery without the bracing protocol and the copying so the shared decision making processes this. What type of rupture do you have. If it's the it's the flip bundle one. They don't like those sort of recommend. You're probably better off getting surgery. August going on operative and uprising. Because i want the full anatomical. He'll bryce it if you've got the proper mid substance russia. I'm thinking it was son. I'll be like dude. You bryce full wits. It's four weeks. Just get it done because you don't want if you can avoid surgery it's a big surgery taken a lot tendon there's different types of graphs but you you're taking often taking some hamstring tendon ato on tendon out drilling holes in your one hundred brazil. You don't want surgery if avoid an affair fierce like. I'm not anti surgery at all. Someone's you needed to stuff but now and knowing that realizing that will need it to fix them. Ico ruptures and they're getting this not even will might he was not so so then if you if you could actually if you've got the good top if there is such a thing you can go into that bracing protocol and then then you just rehab it now if you if you get the so. But what's happening now. People are getting this mid substance rupture then not even knowing that the pricing particles option beginning going to a professional even a doctor surgeon or professional and then not being informed about their options and they yup yup yup get surgery. So i'm a big believer to in gonna see certain that are gonna be weightless because they dislike surgeons that i know they just like they're trying to get you to avoid surgery more selective one hundred percent they just because they're so good so that it needs to rep surgeries to make money. I guess i mean it's just like anything else if you struggling for work in need the work. But i'm not saying point. But i'm must sign that every like i'm sure there are differently surgeons out there that would lock more work. Who would say. I guess you need surgery and short but the reality is that like every other profession. You've got to do your homework. Someone said to me once so you've actually got to rely on like yeah you do. Doctors get stuff rome. Get stuff wrong. You know we all can make make different judges but this this information about the bracing protocol sure. He's you know it'd be getting some resistance from different parts of the health communities. Of course these the old school surgeons would be like man. It's ridiculous you know how this bracing protocol come say. Merv cross is old school and say what happen was story when something like this. There was a go. She did a poll and she was in tears and she's like forever reason she didn't want to have surgery she already not sure what the reason why she was. So concerned about getting basil surgery and move. Cross goes to well back in the day we used to put people in a cost that not even had surgery and we had some success. So let's look at doing that. And that's an option. And she did it and he'll on the skin. Oh we might be on something in the other. Collecting and more and more people But but offset literally seven. Maybe six people across the tom. And i've only had one that said the mid substance and it's actually not that uncommon to have but i just seem to be getting all these flip bundle people that have getting flip bundle but he said to me that they were putting him in the bryce like say three months ago that would have put a flip bundling bryce but now they're finding a clinical research they find out that the flip. Bundles are getting the sub optimal. He'll they know that now. So now again. That probably would advise against by beginning of the bryce fed inconvenience. Show chance of a hailing how how New is this. Is this shared protocol. The shed decision making things fell. And how many if any people practicing it is it. Something industry wide that people are trying to actively spread. There is a code kieron richardson. he's a physiology. From w i did course. And he's not operative approach to acl management and hayes leading the way i would say in the allied health stream in terms of the research about it. He's advocating just to you know to look at it as an option. And he's putting the research out there and again in his words he he went to a conference like a i think like a surgeon a medical specialist conference and he said he was mocked is getting mocked from the crowd presenting this research. Sign that the ico consider. He'll like so. I mean he's probably really pushing hard in terms of getting awareness yet. They always feel like an. He's been on tour. So i came to study about ten years ago administrative me down on my knee and it was like. Ico's can spontaneously caught spontaneous healing of the aco without any intervention. And i said to the surgeon. What do you think of this study. I took it in and he goes. Yeah we know that they can heal. It's just a matter of what what heels to like this flap around and attach the pcl at just. It's just it's it's like tissue tissue just floating in their. Why anything i like. You cut your hair and you can get a hair drops on your ear can start growing. Even how does that. It's actually like sits on your skin. Just attach it. Can it can like hair can do that just just follicle pay can just fall on you and it's true things just like it's just like if you bought is like a patch of dirt it just things forty needs how you body heals right. So so anyway. He basically said yeah. But it's what happens. It takes time for someone and what they're trying to do is bracing protocol is developed powell by having more More people have gone through the bracing protocol but mark. My words like the amount of people who go normal. It's just accelerate Going to accelerate in in the coming years because more and more people like offsent. So what we do now is say serve you sit down with a professional athlete and they get the perfect rupture for the healing the the bracing protocol and at the moment. Let's say i don't know. I can't say for sure. But let's say they're getting thirty from thirty mid substance rupture have held in that ninety rice pliers still looking at that nail medical stuff in he just gonna get out and norman slide. And that's an option. righty say. Let's go what we know. We know that nine months process. It's proven proven. We'll just get it done. He'll up and you can be back playing sport in nine months to guarantee the only problem with that guarantee is that a lot of athletes at a professional level that return to sport criteria and have a second ico rupture. I can't see t locomotor research considering. What the numbers. How many people get a rewrite shot but happens a lost considerable and and if you meet the criteria i gave you that one you know. Payment I think the ritz. And it's like if you don't meet certain criteria just that an ingrained complete sense right like if you if you if you leg is deficit. You're at more risk of injury. No shit ever a nice to go back digits before you ribs hailed you're probably to tweak it a little bit sort of like that right so in terms of this so highly anyone is doing the shared decision making protocol. If you said to me how many people do i know. Is i now if you went to see so when you sit there tom to. He's not biased. He'll sit there. And i put pressure on you and present it but has one of the goes on said to me. Oh like some trainer said to a justin laying are. He's he's anti surgery. Fucking belmont surgery of i'd like sakes. All i'm doing is unaware of the racist ignorant to say that. I'm aware of the research shock. That guy and like if if i'm aware of the research all you do. Is you sit down and say look. You've got the perfect one for healing but we've only had thirty from thirty healed that's science. I'm and self but you know what get surgery and that would be taking taking all the information and make the best decision for you. If you don't if you weren't like all would think that. If i was professional that would be clearly. The best option right now is to actually have. But i know. I in a row plant. Who's just had our an ico and will be happening regularly to wrigley. Might they get like i nine to fifteen season or something like that across the whole league across the league happening in the nfl at the moment. Lock all the time probably like fast. Cutting synthetic services. You know. i'm just big collisions. If you could just get like that's gonna revolutionize ico management. He's just going to this pricing article. Because it's i've got thirty from thirty. It's holly locked onto something and that auto think he's had one. I honestly think had the perfect rupture the putting the actually hasn't healed up full anatomical so if the process right now i'd say od be pushing for the price but i know that the clubs will. I've arrived and doing that. Sinaloa just kept surgery. What's the healing time difference in situation for both well. I reckon they're getting these full healing. I can get a full healing in four to six weeks in the bryce. But then you have to rehabilitate the knee. And i think that i'm pretty sure. So so there's a case. Study through karen of some i think of And again i don i to be. It could be anywhere from like after four six nine twelve weeks or something that just went back to pre sokha. After i feel rupture well because what would have happened it would have hailed somewhat with rest and then he just rehabilitated that knee and if we know that people case studies out there where people are operating without a knee with without any without ceo in the knee that will if it's partially healed him oversee they can operate as well you right so so what did you see. You know when you do your acl. There's this is position particularly in non contact icl's so when you need it gives way without anybody touching you said quote a non contact If someone touches you when you sidestep that would be an indirect contact contacted you but not your knee but then a direct contacts like scientist. Fuck affiliate i. So there's if you go yelich if you if you non-contact contact i-i'll injury which is the main top of aclu that happening to a lot of female athletes. Different reasons. different body types hormone levels q. Angles at knees stuff strength balanced perception jumping landing ability of the the better. You've got an all those. The probably the less rescue alvin injury. You do. Non-contact icl injury. So what were we saw talking about. Cannot be brian just to divert. They're just on the misconceptions around surgery. Because you've a very strong case here for the u. Putting forward for the right situation yup not getting surgery. Why is it that soju would wanna be avoided and i mean i ride but from from your for people listening like yeah but i got something. That's broken. I going get the surgery. They put it back together. What are the cons. Yeah yeah. I mean 'cause for me right i didn't. You can see that it was going to take. You saw like things. Like i think as i wanted a million chance that the nsa susu that there's something wrong then you wake up. But my august surgery. My lateral meniscus. That is walking my knee a certain position and i just ran through the risks of surgery and one of his risk. Was that where it's placed. It's near these these nerves that their concert like there's concern with and if the surgeon makes a mistake he just said there's dire consequences death but a slight function functional limb and it's like i think he said it's like one thousand small. It's it's a lotta means like all my gabardine with it so those but then there's just like the cost the cost of surgery the cost of rehabbing from the surgery. What what what. Most people looking at to go through a proper rahab from an acl reconstruction and then follow through with the proper rahab. The time spent in the gym and all that off the back. What what what what an aco cost these days. Don't even now three and a half to five grandmother hungry pay for everything insurance market you. Fifteen hundred back on initiatives as well. Well let's say included and all that that's about five grand site and then i mean most people we do it a little bit differently because we just do rehab differently where we put people into group trading after a certain period of time and then along need physio treatment so we quite also feel. We don't reba reba with the physiology. Because that's al actually business. Model is not that we can sort of into its best for the patient savage mark. Be so you've seen a physio twice a week. Six ninety bucks a hit and then but most people in a seeing with the traditional model most people are seeing a physio for twice a week for six hundred eighty bucks a week. Let's say get back forty percent on private health but that'll run out a hits a hundred percent look maybe ten days thought like yeah arkan five grand if you had goes for like nine months to return to sport or it's recommended that you do twelve months of rehab but sometimes again that might now but you need to be working with someone who's trained for that at least six to know if you want to get back to a field sport for non at twelve months and most people a they getting jim program from their physiology or so most people should they be going to see the zero actually that i should treat transferring to exercise professional that knows how to use exercise. Three applicant exercise physiologist And then you. And i do the training luck in you. Go see the physio back. Then you go to the gym and do strength training program to strengthen my back and then you return to work citing was sport you did just return to sport program so that's the negative surgery but jar wanted to mention before we're talking about how this bracing protocol they sort of sign. This would have been lockout. Cut back in the day without an acl. the kite. This this came from. Tom crosses caveman theory. That you you know you. You will hunting down wall based and the wall based got the better of you it toy. Ico and you limped back into the cage along allowing your sod four weeks and you'll body detail itself but this caveman theory about how people operated on health things healed itself back in the day you know so i sort of feel like that's sort of feel like most things in life heal themselves like this the natural trivia given the space in your just like carrying on cape mocking that law down died. And it's not like you can just lie for four weeks you gotta get up. Gotta toilet trump. I mean we be active year likely active. The point with the may not on how specific about what with the whole movie. Nathan four weeks is like they would have been instances where people again back in the day got. Maybe that was when they were enough as a time when they were but like we had to just keep walking but like essentially most injuries gabeira. That's exercising rahab. So i was going to say to you. Know what these muscle tissue injuries cracking study. That was done. They took a bunch of people with significant muscle strain in the cough or quad hamstring. And what they did. They took off the group and have started rehab three days post injury and half started ten days. Injury started doing exercise by sliding rehabilitation seventy gap. One three days ten days. Post the group that started three days post got back to sport three weeks earlier than the group. That's out of ten days parts. So that means a seven day delay in loading up. The tissue resulted in three week. Delay in returning to sport. I think it was on grade to muscle strains in the quad hamstring cough but it was a seven day delay site. Starting three ten days post resulted in three week delays took three weeks longer to return to sport. If you if you delayed that rehab boy seven days. Say now and we have injury. Lock like a muscle strain or attendant. We are doing. Why some metrics naughty injury. They're going to muscle strength to an isometric lighting so not move in the joint for even starting to push the envelope there and as long ligament damage. Long as you respect the healing in dark so you can do loading of a knee. That's had ligament damage without moving and are symmetric loadings compromising tissue but we can start that early but if you start if you just white two weeks and you sit around and move is getting all this atrophy of the quarter in that you go into space. And you don't load-bearing quickly your quad just diminishes then you just get this loss of balance. Preception dynamic capacity the knee strike these real capacities of human tissue. And you lose it now. I think once you lose then. It takes longer to regain lighter on solid white by early intervention with certain types of injuries not every injury but certain types of injuries. You know you just getting back to sport much earlier in so i mean that just just having a shared decision making approach on anything like what are your options on on like. Yeah we've been talking about the al but you know you just got be talking to someone that that's opt out the information you're not well. That's i think. I mean that's the real challenge with the whole thing is who you know and who you have exposure to at that moment where you've got the injury and you'll seeking advice right. We have this conversation with people all the time. And i'm sure you would have encountered this in the past but you'll have someone a friend of yours somebody now. Gm whatever who hurts their shoulder and they go see a gp and the gop is like all you gotta shelter issue. Go see the specialist. And i go see specialists. Now you put in the system man. We gotta do concern on your shoulder. You know like okay like that's the process whereas if they went to say let's say physio. And even then as a ryan could say shit vizier yup who just puts them on the same process or they could say someone. That's got a similar perspective to you. That is aware of all of the options and all of the data and they say well look man. There's a couple of different pasi take. Let's talk about what that might be. Maybe strength training. Maybe a little therapy so the outcome for that individual is completely different hundred percent and i think that that's i sliding doors madman high. Yeah which by. Yeah yes so. I mean that i mean. There's there's a book code surgery. The ultimate placebo. It's written by an orthopedic specialist. Mike harris i think so i'm harris and yet it talks about surgeries that were done in the past. So this will. This is another really important. Point for people. Is that like when you. I you get wrinkles on your face on the outside of your body. Things droop in muscles. Sag whatever skin wrinkles on the face only in inside of the body that weighs two living. So let's say for instance right. Someone gets back pain and they guy on my back then classically and get back pain doing. Gt and then they stop subbed. Org back pain is like then. I wanted to stop moving. They become protective of back. It's like yeah you need to stop for like wanted to. What you've got is just aches and pains like one or two recessions. They should just be talking to you. Guys guy will what can we do. Just stop moving again and again if you keep moving. It'll luckily resolve itself. Someone got go back pain. I stopped moving. Probably gets worse. Because of the lack of movement we can get worse because the lack of movement you start guarding and then i guess scandal. They're back on my backstop getting they'll do anything to get it better Got to see a doctor. Just get put in that system. We'll just talking about then. We'll get a scan the scan says this can you back and it's like well. We know that. A large percentage of people over the age of twenty and it gets progressively higher have disposes. And don't have any penalty back so on a on a on gaining i've got this powders and zero pine so if you have some sort of this bowl of something that's finding on an mri scan when you have pain that may only not be attributed to the Yeah what's going on the inside of your body. That's a really important point. And what happens is so even look. They used to label taes in shoulders. They just used to be a standard thing that just have surgery and hips shoulders on taes. We're just routine and this is one of the surgeries that this doctor talks about in this book is that the now nail unless some if it's extensive damage to the library of see there'll be a point where you need to have surgery to get stability back in that showed about on a small tei but he went so the big issue though is when someone says of got piney shoulder and i scan. The show is a liberal. Today is the pain because of the libel tape was the pioneer. Because you just wake piss or you might have a source often tendonitis. I ten and ours like inflammation of the tendon. Ten pathologist agenda. It's like so we is it because there's a tiny bit of sliding around the head inside. The shoda was just because you do any strength working. It's be nor if unless it's like extensive damage the majority of time. If you do the correct loading like you require surgery to fix your pain. Just put him up. Just put them under. Don't do surgery have them come to then. Give him a rehab program. Well this picked him into it so they talk about. There's a great i'm not. That's that would be an awesome neekam and should have done that. I'm pretty sure that say placebo right so that surgery. The ultimate placebo is that so why would someone think they got better after after surgery so i got an injury and that guy for surgery. Why would someone you know. Let's say the surgery didn't work. It wasn't required but they got better is like well. How about just hide five grand. You wanna fuck better the power to believe totally and you've got an talking about that system you have people who are there. To perpetuate the job perpetuates the success of that system. So i could like after. I had my knee surgery right. I'm gonna fuck lot of pain. Swollen and a lot and say the surgeon for the follow up and the first thing he does is he does the same test he did on my name when i went in prien from what. I could tell the responses because my knee didn't fucking budget was solid as with without an acl and it was the first time he's like there's a lot of movement there then he goes and checks it again surgery. And he's like that's a solid icy that's not god's rock-solid so he's just reinforce counseling and you're right hands and i and i don't necessarily dispute that i'm also very aware as a coach someone who has an influence of like i mean an authority position with the person i'm working with a client. Yeah you can you. Can you can bias towards how effective your your methodologies offshore. I mean even just the way you talk to people around someone goes if this assay. Someone was doing gibson. They went off the mat. And they're back so this is something general back to back. So why does no good fucking affected you. Back is is like you can just catastrophe situation massively. And what what what. The modernist approach is you. You shouldn't talk that you shouldn't say you've got damage on the inside of your back. And we say a clinically significant funding. And let's explore that and and see if you know exercise we can look at the management for that particular condition rather than you got damage to your back. You need this. You know you're going to need really intensive rehab and ikat. Do you use all these strong terms. And that situation is very very different and can really impact. On the success of that rehabilitation people with chronic pain just from like you know just when when the thought processes strengthened around you know in a around pine like it's it's a real problem in catastrophe is a situation can bite the injury worse so look. There's actually on that right. There's a there's a guy called adam mckinsey's from the of course. He's a controversial physiotherapist from the fallen on instagram. And he's like mayo therapy sox. That's his mansion's always rips on stretching probably rips on stretching static stretching. Well look. I think he would only fucking how to back and forth with this guy. Yeah honey yeah yeah well you know what's interesting is that its way joey is he's like there's no evidence to show that study stretching improves attendant. And if there's not and but always cited people when people talk stretching. I say love to myself on my instagram during the fronts plate so i know a little bit about stretching. I couldn't do the front splits. They don't quote after about two years and did it. he'll anything i just know that like. If you stretch you can improve the range of motion at a joint and it can give you degrees of freedom to stay out of trouble if you get caught in a weird situation and you can there. Well maybe into the tissue when someone doesn't have the range of motion a guy there and they get put that position and tez but everyone's got an endpoint. So i'm gonna go there but then keep going keep stretching me in a says so. It doesn't really have a protect mechanism. I would say yeah because giving you more degrees of freedom before you tap or something like that all whatever bail before these slip this more range before tugs and you lay on your arse before it actually pays the tended increasing range of motion right in terms of. Do you get injured less. Say if you stretch. I mean the nitpicking. And it's like oh you know pr probably know. Research shows that if you do static stretching but most people right. They starkly stretch. They stretch anything. They haven't done it in a dose that's caused. I like a challenge to the tissue to become more flexible. So i do think that a lot of people's pursuits in stretching. I just like it's just like it's the wrong approach. Yeah but if you live to the wrong with it like the limbaugh say. Asian coach of taichi is at the ghetto bus. Stop because i actually saw wants and you've at the bus stop. There was just this little old white ladies sitting mayor and just legs to get in a lap on. And then there's the you know. The eighty year old is in lady behind her and she's moving her arms above ahead head and flopping around then she probably the end of that ice squat position and she just kept doing it right so you got moving. So i'm lucky using stretching just to keep your body moving for general health and wellness. I think he would dispute. That's not good for you but when you start talking to be at odds picking on him just because he was intentionally bang controversial to get engaged on instagram and i criticized him on his. I called him out. he's language. Yeah roy and then and then it was real funny because then he had like these essence coaches one in particular who follow. Who's obviously a big fan of his then started coming on the attack against may and so turn into this big thing which was exactly what he wanted. Ready to go types of engagement on this. But i was just like you're in a position of authority there in your intentionally using your intentionally using your your your refusing to address the nuance of what you're saying. So that people will come in you get engagement on this thing. Yeah i'll look at one hundred percent like that's he probably seats back. It's like ties. radio talk. Show host actually the controversy. Like i couldn't i couldn't look i'm just like i'd actually die. Even really probably is the person that but you probably just fund actually hate it. I hate getting into that shit. But i was like this on doing it. Follows and he's misleading them by putting this bullshit out there. So i'm like and when i said that i look at the rest of your stuff on a lot of great. How like this one puzzlement. He's my issue with it. Yeah i think. I think are said you about the about the commented on one thing and i think i think it was him and it was about. Everyone was bagging the plank for core strengths. Either because you know. There's this thing like if you well. That improves your core strength scott. Well yeah if you do any functional activity will you can improve your core strength. So i don't know what it was. A bad was supposed to be the plank. Does it do you need to do with the core. And i don't actually come in and said. Do you know that in gymnastics training the plank can be done can be done for cochrane the movement as well but it can actually be done to hold a protracted shoulder girdle as progression to planche work and i said so in this price i talked about is the plank. Good for core strength. Yes now or something like that. And i say well an actual fact i think in gymnastics strength training will i did is. Why use it to go to a to a two hand. Plank hands and feet. Plank protract shoulder goto to resist the retraction of gravity on your shoulder goto into a plot slain into an elevator plots lane into a frog stained into a tuck plunge into an implant into into into a full plots and i is it ascend. That just like oh. We're using like this an expert. They're talking about. Let's not dog on the plank because the planks actually a good thing if you progressing to plunge quick yup. That's the only time i've popped up. And i just think the conversation just actually fizzled. Add just went quite. Because i think what always saying ssangyong high level forum. Get back to this guy's blog. There's a cracking blog. he talks about. Why treatments work until about treatments. Paying touching importing pricking whatever and this is what he's big gripe with you if you saw me and someone robs it and assist like a ligament that needs to heal the mc l. need to be massage to heal. I don't think it does is wrong with doing it. Probably not is it worth. The nine bucks depends on how much money got like. But so we should educate people to say that just because treatment hasn't gotten any evidence doesn't mean that you can't do it but let's not get into that barry. Here's this blog wide treatments work by saddam megan's he he goes into why things happen and it's like let's say for instance like we sore back. Someone gets a sore back. And then they finish hits and then it gets progressively seora and you put not pretty get better because apparently sore again and then all of a sudden like are they to go get treatment. Assads physio australia. Who about go see someone. Good go people. They and then two days later that back. Emma feels good. That is he's he's really good. It could even be with exercise all magog even exercise treatment and on that just just after. Someone's that they're vulnerable point. They just so conditions are cyclical they say pain can peak and then it can start to come down and if you time your magical treatment exercise cracking manipulation message for for that natural downturn of the condition you can look like a genius but what happens if you just two days away from that happening anyway if you just kept moving. That's one of the reasons school like this. Like the cyclical conditions is also natural history. So that's another one would be know most things just like some pines you bang. You're oh by your funny by it. Just gets better on its own but at that moment you do a misdemeanor augie and do the you know i rubbed the hanes together and something like that and and you rub the joint and you get a better like sell them. I mean that that thing really works well can get back on the limbaugh. So that's you know so. I mean natural. History is one of them and he goes through at ten different things. The will to believe so again. If you get surgery the will to beliefs. I i all all went and saw this girl. Who's like as as the he's the man heard these treatment and like then you gonna pay a thousand bucks for it. The wizard yale year. It we had a guy. Yeah he was actually the wizard. So but this is all critical thinking thinking critically about and i'm begging to critical thinking and not. Just sorry not just because someone told things because that's because it doesn't matter on something like a sore back but then it matters win though on like when you get guys. Ico surgery when you need. It is perfect rupture then it matters that you actually think critically that you're aware of the research so not die one one off whether it's manipulation drawn nailing message. We know that makes you feel good. You know some people feel good So we know that that's can definitely do that. But then it that same thinking they can get you into trouble if you don't think critically and yet not aware of all the options with With the research. Can i ask you one v eight. What is that tom. Extent on that. Okay can i ask about your gym leave us. Let yeah cool whatsoever you carrying box. Okay matt i'm do you serve the general population mostly or like i haven't been there And i've seen your instagram and stuff. And i say that you got athletes working there as well but there real regular people who do you serve they mainly so we are. The oldest client at the moment is sixty nine. We had a seventy nine year old but they dropped out. I think and youngest kids classes about seven ilic. We've got everything we got moms. We have people doing personal. Pretty rehab athletes. Sports performance We we we'd go to a twenty percent split between performance trice sport hall of performance athletic developments a young kids in adolescence wanting to strive to be the next. You know whoever we body recomposition trying we call it so like my wife's mom. Three kids just wants to look good. Stay fit and healthy and we train them away at me. Enjoy these chats. I'm a little critical of dislike the whole hit training with just like the intention to burn calories. Sort think it's bullshit. Yeah well short. You can do that. But i feel like you actually do it with with a mindful and more of an artful approach like way you do things that agree in a good feel body so like i run the saint hill but we try to run thresholds with someone in the deep end. Like i'm just seeing and so these other big conversation about what's bad technique. What's bad technique is it re- soon really gonna do. They're back then lifting around back and actually the research shows that i mean slept around back that it's a problem of starting neutral and then just ran and just like the degrees affliction increase dramatically will. Yeah it's probably bad. But i mean is doing pushups with elbows flaring and probably back in. The dials like yeah. That's bad but it's like whoa. Are people getting injured. More doing that than people doing correct movement and the reality is is actually like scapula disconnections like what's bad shoulder blade movement. So someone's gonna funky shoulder blade and they'll pain the show like it's the we'd scapula movement that hitches like well baseball's tape libraries to be able to throw the ball at a certain speed. It's just like sometimes because you play that stole of god game that you develop a symmetry is that bad when you get a sore shoulder now that wife observations on the jitsu matt so just just breaking down. What's bad that thing. So i mean so. I do think there's this body rico percent of of our machine is like for the girls we do. A program complements the female frames. Lots of hip thrust work. And you know just goes down. When i have a big upper body majority you know like some do. It's awesome so we'll give them a pregnant when he big upper body. But i wanna get this most stolid training comments female with. What's the saudis disease. I guess they want. And then we have a men's bunge to stay fit and healthy back in ball just in sheldon tries to reidy over already. And you're saying from what maybe you can explain it. You have people working on personal programs for their goals altogether. Yes group-training is so. When i say you say group trading. There's often there's a you know like you guys prescribe a workout for the group and you'll have regressions and progression foot for that particular. Push up and you got the in columbia. They ain't gonna push out and you've got your goal is doing handstand. Push ups and the push ups prescribe that that would be good group training. In my opinion. You've just did practitioners know how scowl load on the spot for whoever comes to that close. Then you've got then you just got this workout. That's just this is the worst and most even ones that you won't be bit critical of in terms. Just that bashed by hits on most of those places probably got some sort of aggression as well. I mean they're not silly. But once you sort of put the timer on and you wanna just and music up and there's no thought going into it. That's the way you start doing things that just don't agree with multiple burgis and your hips can't guard of that range or you don't strong enough. He just cranking on your back. I'm just like yeah. I'm not really a you know. I'm not really big fan of that. I just think it can be done then. Might be inner stoller wildcats. That can really do well it. But i think the programming's sometimes a little off and it's hard to actually good trying to facilitate that. We've we speak about this this a lot and i think that on paper that style of training and that approach to exercise is fine if the human that's has really good buddy awareness coordination and like a good general level of of strength. And then it's like fine you can you can throw yourself into the fire of thrust as and babies and running whatever because you just have like enough kind of hardware and software to be able to do it pretty well even under the stress genetic masimov him but most appointee then not the white guy most most people coming to a gym. Don't have those things. They're not add base of of what i would consider. I'm sure you minded gray that they've got they've got Imbalances they've got areas of thomas that paid them from moving. Well then have the same kind of coordination necessarily or mind body connection so he put me to work out like that where the intention is to go hard and fast and they're not able to regulate themselves you know and you can try that over time but i think that before they get to. That point is a high risk of injury. And also you just not developing your slowing down their time to develop those sorts of attributes. Coordination's show we own our that people get like we tweaks in him like. I think that we don't get yeah can't think touch wood any anything crazy from training but like who's to say that juanita taught lessons been dead lifting for a long time just doesn't rupture by doing away to just four. Whatever reason you you've so we actually had to go. He's won before we go. I who has was back. It be strange peck benching and i said to him. Okay let's go through so like to do this. If someone gets like a nickel and ajay say did you hit you build upsets. I did you guys. Y'all went sixty. I eighty eighty seven half to two by five ninety two and a half on the third rep of the first thing. I can't remember if that always was something he i just on the first trip on. Then he felt this niggling and he's and he's pick erected backup or you went through your normal prices doing build upsets before he works at said did you. What did you lift last time. And he went in. I think it was like ninety point. Five being on using fractionals. What was before that eighty nine most before that so there was a spike. We didn't just guard from seven th. Let's try ninety two and a half today Say just didn't try to do something that he was unaccustomed to the same tom of morning that he trained. And it's one of those ones where it's like. What have often i like. It's not a big deal. Nothing much happening. We did some floor press and just reloaded either about five days. He's back probably seven to ten days lighter bench and wouldn't even be a great want to just be just a minor picks climate. But you feel it doesn't feel good but just heels. I'm so quickly because the body's to healing. So i like to. Let's say if if we know if you do everything correct you've got regressions and warm ups and stuff and you be progressive. People can still get in trouble that it's like of course people are gonna get engineer james a lot more if you don't take care in tech precaution si- The way i say it is you. You get injured whether you do or you. Don hundred percent. A nature of the injuries changes yup. And why it was put to me. Once that i really liked was that you if you are inconsistent training process you are going to get small injuries and occasionally doing something contact sport. Obviously the risk is a lot higher but you are going to get small injuries. But the hope is that they save you from the big injuries down the track. Yeah one hundred percent like in the pursuit of trying to minimize. We know that these. Aco prevention programs can reduce the risk of an ice eligible up to seventy percent and females. So in in the in in your process of doing and landing and building strengthen your quads that you know you might hopping lane and roll your ankle. You might openly and strenuous off muscle for whatever reason of course like it's like we do it at the preventive. That is such a good point. You just made out that. That's exactly what you're doing it. I do think there are like say what the concept of live athletic for me. Like you've got an unbelievable culture. He i was so excited to come down to the gym. And i saw the post about doing the lineup and consuming. Gripe on that you interested by you. Let the kings to someone delivery the grape now anyway but but the concept of athletic was to live athletically. So if you get chased by a dog down the street can you run down the street without tweeting hamstring. Rupturing your achilles jump over fence and survive in like it just makes sense to me athletic in life just to to to do be able to do the things you want to be out of date. You don't limit in boy Limited by ally of strength to go on a holiday and walk for for six hours. A day live athletic and in the shoot of doing that. I studied three my twenties and early thirties pilates. I didn't study your. i'll go to either pay a yoga instructor. But i studied stretching. And i practice stretching. I looked gymnastics strength training so i looked and said who were the strongest on earth. Powerlifters move the fastest weightlifters. Who can You know who the best pound for pound. Movers gymnasts who can run the fastest track athletes. And i studied in. Who couldn't reach probably got the most you know. Artistic stall of movement you might say said a dances ballet dancers. Pilates yoga that studied. I went on pursuit of studying those different forms and work of different coaches and i took enough in probably did more for sport so like out. My style of training and athlete is bobbio strength training. We actually do a lot of olympic lifting. Because i think it's a skill itself self and rather invest tom. Apply is like jumping pliers. Because most sports you don't move above asks if you're weightlifter so why we laid his base and just get strong fan through. Babo string training gymnastics training so that you can twist turn tumble for and be strong. In all those positions that underpins sport we do the base of athletic so we sprint do hopson lanes and different types of athletic drills because that underpins field sports you movement forms like martial arts. You lock you. Think the limitation gymnastics strength training. Is that just a leg. Strength semi pistols. You can do or even whited pistols. Sometimes you just want to get you back. Got a good squad and you systemically strong preach. Yes so i mean you guys. I mean are probably you know like i said doing a lot of the movement stall gyms and practitioners at a prescribing that i mean offer we transition more sport and rehabilitation and i mean. I grew up when i was when we moved to sydney. A guy called. Paul grime annexed bodybuilder. Arnold schwarzenegger's best man at his wedding. He owned a gym at shocks in in the lace club. And my dad was new coach. So obviously they got to know each other and my brother train there and did some gym work at the sharks. And then he moved his gin from the league's club to this gym. Miranda and when. I left school. I was fortunate to train with him and a guy. Could harry aiden. Who was pulled friend now. That old school guy and we just did odd school bodybuilding. Look i was never exposed into drugs or anything like that was just you know just we. Just try and fricken and hard. My like. it was just like dumbo. Work just super sets we. He's super center because he thought to get me fit for for bowl. Which is some element of truth but we just like lifted heavy lots of isolation work and probably. The probably the biggest. I ever got doing that. I think is the need a loaf of bread a day eating enough literally life a better day and loss white bread white with magyari and i mean world because it gave me carbohydrates offense bearing in projects bearing gained muscle a bit puffy in the face. So look here. I studied like all of those fundamental areas to to not been doing it for a long time to to be coming up with the athletic just on that goes to I was gonna say happy to chat about whatever else but if joy if you had those any specific questions about knee injuries like anything is questions. Donna brazile time talking about getting off track. I didn't. I was going to ozzy say we should wrap it up there and i would. Actually i would love to get back in another time to just continue to go deeper. And i i think that the the pc on at the back end like the what you said about your about the purpose behind live. Athletic is it. Echoes what jungle brothers like al values are. And that's we we defined different why we use the term durability and robustness yup and also the ability to to express yourself but it's the same shit it's being able to handle. What does that you being able to run away from a dog. Catch the boss go jumping on a on a fitness class. What they're doing something that you're not used to that you have a body that can do those things you know. And that's percent. And that's where is where is your. Where is the you know. The the the move lift. And what's your philosophy on the fight. That just i'm just interested tonight. We look from like a. What's the lunchtime. We created jim to be the ultimate training space for us. We said that from the beginning a gym that we want to china and we will going around town doing over there. Don't cross over there gun down to the f. The calisthenics like traveling around pacing shit together. But we like this should be somewhere where we can do all of this so that was one part of it. The other part of is that from like a this is obviously very simplified but looking at what the human body was required to do Gone back to like pre like right together at five days. It's like you had to be able to shift objects had to move yourself around an ever changing terrain and you had to be able to defend yourself or attack. Yep so fight. Lift move was an element of that. It was it was it was general physical preparedness for a savage environment. That really wants to try and kill. You can join the you know. That's that's so good is because jujitsu changed my life. I did like gave me confidence doing jujitsu. I mean crowded space where he can do. Obviously luck we were friends. Go jujitsu gym's and like oh. This is lots of people like for people that are doing your job. Well so it's not like anyone. Stealing aren't think stealing clients off each other. But i reckon like to bring that in to the gym it's cool. I mean But it did change my loss. Are i believe that philosophy. You could say kids doing. Because i want what i want that because if there's some decade that's given them trouble or they just get caught i don't want them to go looking for fights again the probably like you get aware that there's a there's a black belt i can fuck you up actually gives you way to say that. Hey i've got these martial arts skills and there's no way iman maybe they're over the cliff aries at those as you know so. I'm like that much anyway. Take a very. We've said about this. Before but i you know it's it's very much more constantly athletic. You're bringing in think if people can learn that it can be a life changer. Doing the jets part of the leader that that can be a life changer to people's confidence in that and the other ones that is that this is such a cool place. Like a mccoo. And i wouldn't say gyms call. I think we're very good at what we do. But if people out there and they to if you're cool this is like an unbelievable like it's it's it's sort of seigneur on instagram. But to sort of walk in and like even like the mezzanine is cool like ms nina is cool a frigging look call as well and on like it's it's credit something unbelievable he so i think if as it expands it's going to be to be good. We'll thank you man. That means a lot to us. Yeah that's cultures cultures. Always been important to us and sometimes it takes precedence over other elements of building a successful business. But we've always held to that thing that we want to create a place. It was special and unique. You may tom. where can people find you. How can they get in touch. What's your what's your website. Yes so the websites. Live athletic dot com. Today you are mainly post on Justin langer underscore you pay or live athletic. Underscore you pay. I've got the bite the private and business one But yeah you know. I just i think if you just Google live athletic. It's stumble across my data somewhere this. I thanks for the shout on that one. But like you thank you for coming on today and for giving us like just a little insight into the fucking inner workings of you know all of the knowledge and whatnot you in there. Yeah no thanks having me pleasure. She's always thanks for listening folks. If you enjoy that absurd please help support the show. Take screenshot of it posted on your tag justin tag us. It just helps get the word out. There and people are who are doing amazing work and the more exposure that these people can get in the more exposure. I get the more it helps us do the work that we believe is important. Thanks for listening. 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The War Room: The Green Machine & Pat-TE take center stage for the Steelers

Behind the Steel Curtain

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The War Room: The Green Machine & Pat-TE take center stage for the Steelers

"Fans welcome zip. Say still unheard unheard show not purposely taking behind the scenes into the minds of kevin. Call mike tomlin or even that really this week. We're going to keep looking at the rookies. We just the pittsburgh. Steelers drafted is twenty twenty one. Nfl draft non peaks. We went through a few of those. Those peaks loss weight went through some of the undrafted. Free agents you're seeing a lot of content across the different behind still could podcasts or on the on our website behind still couldn't dot com your one stop shop for nonstop shop for all things. Pittsburgh steelers step aside. I want to focus a bit more lost weight. We focused a bit of a deep dive on. Quincy rochet this week. Come on kendrick grain and pat framers And then we'll look at a few other things as well toward the end of the short. So let's kick off with kendrick green. I've never watched type from kendrick. And i think i will still to the experts to say he definitely has absolute mainstream as i mentioned when we profiled kendrick green couple of days before the draft and that was in wilson won't be able to do. He had a prospect grade on. Nfl dot com of six point. Two one to land ceiling height. It's fluctuated some places. Report a seeks one. Hot other six four height Coordinator dot com. He was recorded at six to three hundred and five pounds. Thirty two and a quarter inch arms hands ten and one eight inches. If you're interested in that sort of technical pace. He was drafted a number. Eighty seven by the pittsburgh steelers first and only third round draft pick and that was the twenty fourth pick in that round that he has a seventy seven inch. Wingspan as well with chose say able to pull off another website and that's quite interesting at his pro day He was able to test with a four point. Eight eight four time. One point six nine ten yard split twenty-five bench reps four point six seven seconds for the shuttle seven point seven nine seconds for the three Three point five thirty five point five vertical and nine non foot eleven inch broad this off hoping from a numbers perspective tristen works who we know offensive tackle the tampa bay buccaneers let into a super bowl at three hundred twenty pounds. How to thirty six point. Five and ten one board jump in worse was a fair bit taller. As well i think is about six weeks Drain therefore has a lot of goodwill body strength. You know if you look at chris. Lindstrom of prophecy peak here. Four point one nine second time forty time one point six eight second ten split thirty point five vertical jump and nine nine broad jump shaq mason who we know from the patriots. He's a god one of the best in the nfl season at an eighty four. Five point four and pay Ranking seeks out of god's and it was a dr blocking manning georgia tech. He's six to three ten pounds thirty two vet vertical non-point two inboard jump. That's pretty credible. Then when we look at someone like a kendrick grain for the pittsburgh steelers because his athleticism is jumping off the tapia. He played offensive and defensive offensive line festival in high school. He played one season at defensive. Line that read should in college level. He had fifteen sacks as a senior in high school and it was a wrestling. You nervous a wrestler. As well. And i think that show up on a bit of his type on going to begin to comment on on how wrestling translates to different sports but no doubt being able to should center of gravity the ebitda pal a leg. Drop the works differently k. Pods wrestling you know. Even i nervous an outsider Here's actually full. Recruit is a defensive tackle way to seventy pounds in illinois wanted to use them as three take three take defensive tackle pretty interesting from that perspective over so we know kendrick grain was drafted out of illinois Lovey smith the head coach talk. They're back to mike tomlin from when was the tampa. Bay buccaneers as well supreme. Interesting from that. He's only allowed four career sacks and had to recreate holding penalties and according to sis. And i think. I believe as well from when i was doing some of my research with of him as part of the pick he's actually blowing Had twenty blocks blowing. And i think loss g there were Three ron and to protecting your model around. But needless to say that's incredible from a guy that's had thirty. Three consecutive starts only three at center Any any sort of waiting to cinderella. Because doug kramer according you look at him on type in united said the film. Louis the film to analysis to experts like jeffrey benedict. Don't outside in katie smith. But you can certainly say on film to. Google looked any old twenty two zero him. He can fought even on youtube. He's the only one allowing for in that line. And when you think about him next to kevin tolson it's incredible. It's the thought of the guy being is mainly us and being able to challenge equally one of the other cool parts that i found when i was doing some research scored at seven hundred pounds. about a year before into the nfl draft at the same time. Create humphry canosa. Squat seven on japan's when brandon schiff weiner. He's a god played with the washington. I think he's just signed as well as franchise tag When he was at iowa in his loss she he could only do six hundred and fifty. Five pounds in the squat so really and truly kendrick. Green is a very athletic performance. And we should pittsburgh sudan's we should be inspired by that that shows up. Is these guys steal at the pete number eighty seven. I think time will tell time will tell. That's the case but who knows will say engineer. Free come through. We can come through but one of the things is that challenge that he's got since the steelers drafted pouncey eighteenth over rural twenty ten and putting a strain the lineup pretty much early sixteenth. Rookies of stepped in as a maid started at center. That's listened to per year and of those sixteen half of them were dropped in the first or second round so kendrick grain really does have cut out for him. That thing said we know that this causes. Pj fenian jc house in. How and they're hardly garlic array mansfield the two time all person who held off webster's a fifth round rookie. But they've done this before in phoenix. Thirteen korea. Nfl starts five at center house now. Thoughtful games last season overseas and they play center. And we know are you can go back and look at Jeffrey bendix audibles. They're the basically show that house and how little light sason collapse apart from scheduling changes ben roethlisberger throwing few injuries on a defensive side of things but looked is massive expectations. I think that we're putting on kendrick. Great bay ready for him to make a few mistakes you know. The other thing is snapping the ball when you've only play three games there and you've you've you've come into. You went to college defensive. Lineman joe sit there and think he's gonna make the mistake. We sold the penalty of a mistake when snapping the ball. I guess if you lock in that penalty being touchdown wildcard game against cleveland browns. Still fans they prepared be patient with kendrick. If we're patient with this guy. I mean i right now come up with another nickname for maine grain. When he's without he's always going to be majoring grains name. You know it's it's never going to be taken away from him. Grow to come out with something odd. Cooling cohen the grain machine. If he comes off. That was the nickname for australian box and passionate about that. He was my my favorite boxes. Danny green Spelt same way so maybe we can call him the green machine of the offensive line next to dotson the destroy but regardless this is really exciting to watch still fans name to curb expectations been nature member that not every third fourth fifth. Second round pick is gonna be on. The defensive line is gonna be kevin tolson cheese. I'm confident kenji green being able to give it a go. And i'm excited for him and i think it's exciting. It's exciting to watch him. Go to camp battle against the guy like finney. Does this bring out the best. Bj feeney does this put pressure on hasseneli that we've got to bed house in house sitting on the practice Eligible again. Then she if not disallow like us to get rid of house now the other thing. I'll walk about this too is. It gives us flexibility. You know what if. What if to castro does what if dolts as an injury you know really on season. We've gotta go out of the can come into that now. We don't want that. We want to be focused on the senate position but it does equally. It means the bj phoenix into one of those sports. If he absolutely had to you know. I don't think he's performed very well at god for the my reminiscing about him on tape there but at the end of the day. Pick like this allows flexibility if he's recording actually in there at the six point to what. I do think it's important. We only leave him to the senate position. The biggest thing there spy dec- garlic this come in and make a difference a guy that i mean the the gaza toby madam is a terrarium guard. A few weeks back but the things that may is that he's a passionate. Hod main gritty play knows what it is quite pittsburgh steelers football. He talked about that in one of interviews. He talks about the fact that that's sort of the top of football that he wants to play. I'm excited by what adrian klemm city cities that mean nastiness that you can't teach but the coaches like to bring out employees the fact that he's called that that's exciting for me. Clemes confident he could tell the clem news research on him and just covering the basics. I could tell that in the press conference do woodworking meteor my profession of bates. Usc and you can tell they can kendrick. Grain was a k. Peak for them You know and i know. I called kendrick green before the draft and i had him potentially in the fourth round. I didn't know that pat frame or anything beer there on the board and he's apply walkout in pot. Two of these wake shirt. I didn't know the frame as would be there in round two. I'd hoped but it didn't visit. That's why i was confident with five piece together that he was the guy over create humphry because we knew we had kendrick rain. That are new. Those guys try. He'll that went much lead in the fifth round to. Cincinnati bengals mission. Say how trae hero fits in there. i'm my view. Paint boss still fan but he would have been much better going to pittsburgh and being converted at the end of the day we go to playoffs. That was one hundred. Fifth hundred and fifth on daniel jeremiah's hundred fifty draft prospects. He was one of the centers there. He's a guy that's rank consistently in the top ten to twenty thousand pay. God's incentives Dinner of course lost couple of years of college football. As well grains. I employ a big cited foreign. Be patient with him. As i said before. And we'll get the best that we could hope for out of kendrick grain. It's not to season but seasons to come. And yes i'm excited save. Continue that tradition in the number fifty three now before we go to a break i just wanted to so joe recap of what the secondary rooms looking like right. Now for the pittsburgh steelers in pot to has said look into pat. Fry anything a couple of other points about. She's rookies but i think it's really interesting to say was sitting in night labeled a number different under your free agents lost week and went through all those guys that was thinking this particular left we did have. The news was sort of broke Twenty four hours or so. I recorded steals worrying. Loss week around. Terrell edmonds not getting signed on the fifth year option. And i don't think that necessarily faces long term prospects for the pittsburgh steelers if anything. It might be able to help us. Keep him But currently disputes big seals will have the most money in the nfl next season of salary cap At a at about seventy four million dollars if he goes so their projected right now people forget that's going to need a included. Tj what money so you can scrap instantly twenty twenty million that probably more like my closer to thirty million off that we go minka to come. We go bush to come with a bunch of different all the players as well probably an extension for to it You know just to name a few things. I join into some of these. These cornerbacks now. We know that this cameron sautin hiding the proble left. And right cornerback. Oh you know the the two daughters safety. Terrell edmonds they are making fitzpatrick. Didn't go justin lane. Who still going through this criminal charges. And i personally. I think he might make it Purely because trough peak. But i think that he's in a really interesting. I think is a big challenge chain within what he realizes. You've got secure brown there. Who's interesting player. Who who was someone that could have been drafted from a fourth round. I think he's all the guy that's really gonna come into play. There could be a bit of a sort of a slow corner option. I still think. Brian poole sitting out there and free agency. Let's let's look at him. You got antoine brooks junior as well here in some depth chart sisters a free safety. I wonder about that. I didn't think he's he's more strong safety. Slot corner dawn linebacker soda players. Well malls killebrew. He's in there too. He's in the same of spot but also complains that inside linebacker position. You've got trained. Norwood is what he's going to be. I think he's doesn't have the sized strong safety obscene. He's more of a free safety. The plays because Into the middle of the field. But he's everyone from what i understand and even btc slack channel vision. It's whether he's forty considered produced to that fiji that's interesting. He's reading quarterbacks surly reading the the water offensive sort of lineup will formation if you like you've gotta garlic wade there as well. I don't know necessarily how much he's gonna be. Drew james peres comes back. We know the steelers liked him. Walkin hader That's gonna be really interesting as well as haydn. Continues to progress in years Stephen denmark comes into the squad. Hayes look what he's done on tape he's sneakily you know. I think he could be quite a bit of a interesting sort of challenger if you are look justin lane there obviously aboard an optimal it as well. I'm jeff portland writing. Excellent little expose on him On the website hunstville curtain dot com. So that your check out one out. It's got a few starts from him as well. you know where he can make the scored ordinary. He could be one of the older. God's earth is a veteran spots. You know on the practice squad least and then you've got mock gilbert who i think. He's the nephew of the cousin. Jerusalem and i think he's the nephew of have shown gilbert. I like what i see from him on type. I really like what i see from him on type then again. He's a guy. Like i'd be open to you. Design took skinny. Go to the practice squad bring like studying g cut justin lane for that. I'm open again getting ready to line. I think we've proved to the jolt. Pretend that bills game osteopathic. He's prove that before. Let's bring in one of these uniphase. We're gonna lose so. I know that the steals necessary do business. That hey i'm open to it. Bay fans welcome back pox stills wore for this week. i'm that prevalent. i'm your host of this show is always like to say we look to sort of in the mind of a kevin. Colbert a mike. Tomlin and i'm con. So what can we expect from. Steelers fifty fifth peak of this year's. Nfl draft pat freemuth. Well he's a six foot. Five children japan taught in a guy that's being said nicknamed baby gronk. He's the fifth. Penn state taught him to be drafted since two thousand ten. Marcus was the guard. That was a second round pick. He was a guy that i was cheering for. The people might have had if it was last week's episode or you listen to this reaction peaks. I had money on him for the steelers. It was more of a when. I saw him being available on day two. That's going to be a fit. But i also just wanted the steelers to walk at the tide interim thought i've ever tune being drafted with the twenty fourth picky for nausea hour. So we're both worlds aboard again. If create humphry going elliott. That could happen. A totally so arizona potentially upgrading their offensive one. So that's where he came into play. I think the thing with pat. The truly interesting is that you look at his numbers. Let's start with the numbers as a freshman. Todd end penn state twenty and eighteen. Twenty six receptions agency eight yards on average of four point. Two hit eight touchdowns Off that was really good. Start to his time at penn state then as sophomore sophomore. He had thirteen games. Forty forty three hundred seven average eleven point eight at seven touchdowns and then twenty twenty four games twenty three receptions three engine ten yards thirteen point. Five average touchdown. I think the interesting part about that is. That's four games. Look at that production if we would average that across twelve games not necessarily the thirteen twenty nineteen but you look at the twelve games. He would've had a conscious automatically multiply by the full three. But let's just say he would have probably had over seven hundred fifty yards in twenty twenty. You would've average is probably at high. But he's certainly would have number touchdowns he had thirteen touchdown catches and zero drops in the red zone. That's incredible that's sort of red redstone threat. We need anything we were about choice. Quite mean what about the the jets wipes that hey rain people so worried about where he was going to line up on the line and then when he ran ran you didn't. I was going to do it now. You've got to throw these he abrahams. Well what what we can do in some of the you know the to todd and you know the double tight end sets in. The red zone is going to be incredible when you think about patrick. Framers arm stick saudabad. It's fans with a peak ac- and they're scratching their heads. But you know he's the guy that had a six point three prospect right and it was a guy that we profiled early wakes of steals war. Him he's a god that was projected to be started in the first two seasons. He doesn't have to do everything either. And this is the thing that i love about. The pig pat frames does not have to be the one that catches all the footballs and mexican food. Never signed eric right. And we had vance mcdonald still retire if he didn't shooting still tied ran a garlic jesse james and we'd still need to pay pat front and he would probably be a. We'd bring a walker and golic and mako pruitt with someone like that patrizio fans since mila. If we had taught him that you've been confident really give. We really had a and i might have had a couple of tynan's egypt vance jesse or you know when you had like eric brown on they'd together but did you really sit during be real thrilled with the talking room. I think bending reliable talk it. Now i'm bringing garlic pratt. Framers who he's bendy for the as he does need to do. Some has have some block development. That's definitely said he's never going to be your marks. Mattocks bates sorta guy. He's never going to necessarily be the full. Eric ebron but if you could be the combination of the two. He gives ben options. He gives options with garlic jalen. Samuels even more of an h. Back role and pat framing did a bit of that. But the thing that i look at the peak and that's the thing i liked about several of the nfl draft piece garlic. Dan mall buddy. Johnson's another one. But he doesn't help out on offense but the thing about pat free amid nausea. Kenji green and twenty stint demo. Janea helping the offense. Post ben if ben is only got one more year left if he gets a major injury interviews with cheese lift. These guys can be on the roster in two thousand twenty three twenty twenty four and. That's what i'm excited about with a patrick frame. I'm excited to see what it can do with less pressure on him but equally are really excited about what with the weapon that way going and potentially be creating offense. The walking will come really feel the won't come. I'll select a lotta type. That i've seen as well as listen type vision of him where he really went to that second level you know he was. He was off the off the ball in terms of use formation lineup. And he's run through block. The guy continued on these stories. Running back come up. He fights vexed extra yardage from what i see him when he gets the ball into his hands. You know and i think that's an exciting prospect for for pittsburgh steelers fans look at. We want tough. Guys won't guys the gir- the extra mile. Pat free is one of these guys. He really really. He looks for the look for yardage off to the catch. He's a big body you know. He's got the these great arms as well while he doesn't actually have to live up to the whole baby gronk lack an for instance the nfl draft. Bob will you know so talked about him as being a perfect fit for the league And that he will be amaz- smacks did use the number three tight end in the draft. Post-olympic visibly second behind call pits. But they talked about him as being a player that despite his injury in his route rat running is improved. Know we know what stills contributes has a rat right and we know what students can do in terms of developing wide receivers pat frame. It's joined the friday organization to when it comes to walking side of things where we expect people to be to block look at what. Jj doesn't know in the wide receiver a game as well. you know. he's previously run a four point. Seven two in the forty he said. A four point seventeen short shuttled time frame as the max squad of almost six hundred pounds. A three hundred fifty four pound power clean. I mean these guys you know. He's he's a big bloke. He's a big book to catch. You know honest excited to see what he can do. You can fill that hates jersey. I'm excited unexcited. See what number was i saw. You know one one projection onto the head. Mid eighty eight eighty seven number. You know maybe the eighty seven avoids and being compared to some of the other titans around the league. Maybe you just take per show elected of eighty eight. You know nerve. This is a bit history. They lynn swann. But can i let a different position. What it what about an on last week went through a number of different free agents. That was still sitting there on the board as we enter the second round. If you lock her free agents the free agency. I should say a couple of those names. Just sort of thinking really really want show. Hi there is a depth pace was hey protection in cases still didn't get a couple of guys. They wanted like a kendrick grain position. You know a dan more genius to really think that like he's going to be that right back up you know you know. I think he said that famous drop in the end zone in the super bowl. What heavy. I just wonder whether this is a sort of god that we ended up cutting the doesn't really make the real stuff doesn't austin rita that's still available right now. Do we bring russell garlic russell. Braiding i mentioned these. Two names all sweet. But it's been sitting with me for loss. Wake in terms of since i did the podcast since i listen back to it as well is do we have the debt faces. It's k- physicians. All center lane was being released as well. The left tackle the steelers look. Upbringing humid from the business. Next bass player. That's sorta guy. I would like to see the steelers cat rather than sort of sit there and just assume did a guy like joe. Hey he's gonna work. I mean i saw eric fisher get a nine point. Four million dollar deal of we know that allah hundred wave is now going to the ravens. Thinks he's base was like eight million over there. Good luck to win a new. I lost waco sort of said economist ravens jersey. But you know all the best to him. Good luck with it you know. We can't wait to what she get smashed by the steelers rush defense next season. It's gonna be fantastic. I'm really looking forward to it But we'll see a guy said it lost week. Mitchell schwartz is stone aboard. Do we move zach. Banner if tackle you know just ducky means cheeks complain more of the depth pace. It gives dan more time to develop dinner. I just i just wanted they. You know that's gonna work but it goes back to one thing. It goes back to the cap. Or captain we have. And that's where i think. Colleague ricky wagner. Who mentioned lost week might be really helpful for the steelers but i just wanted. I just want to really go back to that because starting to sit there and you know we look what steals mamadou in much. But how does that affect the gaza roster and it's not just the god that we know that we saw in previous seasons. How's it affected. Gaza and peaked up to the offseason. Where they don't have a high barner suit we need to worry about. They don't have a high That we need to worry about. There's not going to be a bunch of lost money in terms. If we were to cut them they have a massive impact on the displacement. Either so i just think it's really important thing is still offends me. Think about is the number of editions that we've mentioned association. We going to have to start you know as as the weeks go one there'll be moments different milestones where we got to cut the squad back and obviously you know we got get get through the rookie minicamps which is starting rookie. Minicamp stocks toward the end of this week as well. You know we got to throw those things to sort of see where that foles but don't be surprised to see a few of these that i believe. Don't be surprised that some of these off season additions that we've had a not necessarily gonna be on the rostov. Same goes from linebacker position. You know there ause like even williamson still around there. Ause like quantum alexander believe still available. Caja ride to four andrae campbell. Utah your whitehead. You know. There's some fairly decent. They still sitting there markle kendricks. Even you know stimulant untouched. And they will be names at houston they going. I don't want any of them. You know you don't wanna chicane gore griffin either. You don't want to vic beasley. But or nick zere boswell but the end of the day. These are gods. That might be able to help with that. That death might be quicker than events williams. They might be better than having them all as killer. Bring our all these different special teams. That could dinner for the who come from the undrafted rookie free agents. That we've got you know in terms of some of these guys in the secondary. These things are going to think about because this squad is is put together. We want compete for our super bowl if you pay for super bowl. You're as strong as you can't every position when now starting to get through that sycamore. Free agency to you. Know might take teams to go to different camps which unearthed the nfl's now approved the mole pre covid stall camp so inch instills cop till the tribe. But that's team. We've got to kate. Watching for and iza as i believe. Do not be. Don't be surprised to see this deal as make some years like these are still and i mentioned him at the start of the start of this week. Shore toward star. This way through that secondary are still believed that bads favorite out there in terms of brian. Pool you know. I still think the steelers should go off to him. I think you could get him on a two year deal with you. Know he's twenty. Nine years old are thinking. He had lost deal. His his average pay per year was about five mil. Can we turn that into three and a half minutes arneses as well. Maybe it's a roster barnes next year if he makes the squad is is incentive laid and i think what he might be able to do i in secondary. I go back to brochure berlin to mention las week. He played for the chiefs las g. He's a great depth pace as well. And i say there's two names because i don't really think we need to add much more. I saw in a previous article. This week to steven nelson comeback with his tail between his legs. If he's based during this ot think i'd wanna bring steven nelson back to that locker room. I liked the idea of getting younger. Birthday linden pool. It's experienced guys. They'd birth twenty nine years old. Brian poole played forty two percent of the snaps I believe law season for the jets. Brielle employed sixty four percent. These two guys. That could really help. Add some veteran capabilities to the corner. Particularly if a guy like joe haden cutting judo particularly if cam sutton's paying off to different things and we don't feel the rest of the secondary sort of optus. Scratch the just some things to think about. I think there's a bit less going on from from a safety perspective. A darn thing is though that depth there is we sort of talked about. Loss week maybe. Tj swearing Cindy her the played with the browns loss g. But he's he's now thirty four nine jeff. Hey south deputies. Thirty are like malay- hookah if you really think you need to improve that free free safety area and he's better than an actual bookstore during the free safety. Even though i'm seeing listed there on some depth shots Easy more athletic than a trainer. Would if you can bring him in for two point. Eight miller out there thereabouts. That's going to be really good value for from our perspective. But look we'll see what happens. Look forward to rookie minicamp over the next stop appreciate starts toward the end of the week If he doesn't win it when it does stop in the next couple of weeks real afford to seeing those rookie starts with just more him more from them about they sort draft jenny. And that's really really exciting as well. Look but as. I said last week behind the curtain dot com. Your one stop shop for all things. Pittsburgh steelers has ever seen withdraw mates. Jeff mentioned at one of his router dot poku k. One if you want any article about the draft pick so you want or any coverage that we've done upon still kid if you scroll down a little bit. There's actually a tab that says all you need to know about day one peaks or you need to know about day to peaks or any each day through picks those is still being updated if you click on his articles it will then have a drop down once you and your into his articles have everything listed by date and little synopses and title of all the different articles that we've the tamer for juice behind the curtain dot com on these peaks gonna check him out. It makes it so much easier. Need a scroll down. They'll be a little black ball with a couple of holland articles in it's just after that You know so. It's probably a couple of scrolls with the button. Or a couple of clicks on the down on the scroll bar. That really really helpful have a compatible. They don't need to go searching. And they're trying to search the grue- search through espy nation. Or even through the behind the still can harm page. 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The AP Draft Show - Episode 7 (2019)

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53:47 min | 2 years ago

The AP Draft Show - Episode 7 (2019)

"Hey listeners we're in the heat of one of the greatest sports events of the year. You guessed it March madness. And the best place to stay on top of all the NCAA tournament. Coverage CBS sports HQ, what is CBS forte JR. Q. It is the free twenty four hour sports network. That's built for fans just like you from nonstop highlights. News and analysis CBS sports HQ got you covered checkout. CBS sports HQ. It is always on always free not to pay a subscription fee or have an expensive cable package. Download the CBS sports app on your phone fire TV Roku or apple TV start watching today. A theory Mary draft miss to you. Thank you for joining us today. My name's Ken, Swanson them lead film and draft analyst for aero head pride. This is the AP draft show. And I believe this is our first episode of April for the draft show this year. I'm always by MacOS final on Twitter at Jake Morley. Jake, it is draft this month. My man the really the best month of the year. Oh, yeah. Without a doubt and this year, especially what I mean, you got the draft. Obviously that little things coming up. You've got the master's. You've got the final four. You've got wrestlemainia this weekend. You've also I'm forgetting one thing thrown stats coming out gingers games coming out. There's a lot. There's a lot here. I think the vendors movie comes out during during draft week into it is like the twenty six I did not do a good. Dan, didn't do a fan of a favor for all of us nerds hold on though. Because you member last year we would write each sought. We saw the movie last year on the Friday of draft weaken little kind of a kind of a little history at me, and Jake we actually take the Friday off of draft miss weekend off like we both get off we go do brunch. We go do a movie or something like that. We just clear that whole day and keep it available. Just to kind of soak the whole dry never work the last month of April the last Friday of April in my professional career. I don't think you have thirty. I think you're right bad one of the cool things that's going to be happening is Craig's actually going to be coming up in celebrating drafts with us this year partially because there is a something that is not been announced yet that will be announced here in the near future that we're all really excited about and then, but he's just going to spend the whole weekend with us kicking it question. What who's to captain America? This year's draft class. You're making me think way too hard to circle back to that. Okay. Is this cliffhanger? You're gonna maybe say at the end of the season. Yeah. Okay. Let's do that a couple of housekeeping notes if you like the air. Hi, pride podcast network. Please feel free to give us five star reviews. Apparently, that's a good thing. Speaking of five star reviews Jake today. I just saw an update there's fourteen people that have given the Casey draft guide of five star review. And no one has actually seated yet well to or my parents to know, we got some really trusting people out there. I appreciate this port. I mean that was cool. I really appreciate that. Like just the fact that like someone said today, they gave me they gave us a five star review because they appreciate our work in the effort and put in like, I promise you we have a lot of effort in. We are in the finalisation stage. Everything is edited we are we are finalizing pages as far as kind of just lay in the guide out and all that stuff, and it will be ready on Sunday. And we are ready to launch it on Monday. I am so excited for you guys to see this. If you haven't heard, I I would be surprised if you're listening to this product pockets and have heard we are launching the Casey draft guide. The first ever addition over two hundred twenty five write ups about prospects and how they fit the chiefs. It's over a hundred thousand words, this is a bad. Boy, this thing is huge. And the features that we just got done writing. I am so excited. If you guys to see like, we're gonna talk one one little tease, we are going to do a launch day episode next next week so on Monday when the guide launches we're going to be doing a launch day episode, and I'm really really excited about that. You can still get the guide for seven ninety nine. If you go to gum dot CO slash Casey draft, promo code countdown that we're we're offering it for seven ninety nine still we're not really going to be advertising discounts on once the once the God, actually launches. So you can still preorder at a at a discounted rate. But. Did it before? It's cool. You know, early on this get it before people are talking about it like, oh, hey, did you see her about this case draft guide get it? So you can say, yeah. Known about that for weeks ago. Discounted yet? 'cause I preordered the mount of people that pre-ordered this thing is just absurd. I'm so I thank you guys so much. We got a lot of cover today. We're basically what we're going to do today is we're going to break down kind of what we feel are the pools of players for the first second and third round that that she's have a realistic chance of picking from. Right. You know, because we talk about these scenarios, and we look through all this stuff. But like we kind of just sat down and looked and said, okay. This is kind of the pool of players for round one. This is kind of the pool players for round two. Maybe a couple of guys he might have to move up the board a little bit for in the first and second round, and we'll just start here. Because me, and Jake we're gonna just kind of discuss the first first round, Jake. I don't want to cover every single one of these guys. Because some of these guys we've covered ad nauseam. Like, we've just we've been very on consistently throughout this. But we'll just stop in talk about a couple. So here's kind of where I look at it. And I say, this is I think if you gave me these ten players I feel pretty good about my chances of the chief taking one of these guys. We'll just go down the list, and we sorted these guys I ranked them by where they are in the Casey draft guide. So clone Farrell were higher on him than the league might be. Or maybe there's just too many Ed rushers that are out there right now that, you know, have higher athletic profiles or something Jeffrey Simmons, he is obviously at the injury one of the things that we're not doing in the guide is we're not sorting and moving guys down the board for injury. We are just know tainting and making sure you guys know that those guys have injury history. So Jeffrey Simmons is a guy that were very high. And we still think is a top ten player, greedy Williams to cornerback from LSU. I don't feel great about this one. But I could see the cheese potentially moving up in the. Into the draft to get a guy like greedy, if they're if they're feeling greedy. Byron Murphy had to keep him on there. Johnny Gardner Johnson. The safety from Florida, Jake, what did you think about Chauncey garner? John. I think we might have talked about him a little bit. But what what was your take on Chauncey Gardner? Johnson the safety from Florida. Yeah. I think for us. She seems to be that guy that kind of keeps rising to the top whenever we do our projections about what we think will happen with the draft. I know we've discussed him just you know, you, and I talking about who might be the best player available when that she's pick. And I think you're starting to get into that range because those first four guys that you just talked about maybe might be guys that you'd have to trade out for sure, and they may be guys that fall far enough to do that now Chauncey garnered Johnson may go before twenty nine as well. But I really like his versatility as a safety, and he is a safety, but he's a safety that that can play the back end. He's got good range. I think you can use them in a variety of ways on the really interesting next to the Honey badger of just because both those guys are so versatile. You could use them in a lot of different ways. So think safety, but think more just a coverage player nickel corner. He's got a wide background played outside corner. Played nickel played liked to throw. Oh, the ball in the NFL. Yeah. He's good at covering guys. That catch them the guy that can throw the ball will bit so. Yeah. Chauncey garnered Johnson's he's I think he is kind of like the starting point for where guys could actually be available in the cheese. Select another guy that were kind of pretty high on. I think he's sitting twenty-second on the on the Casey draft guide board right now, we really haven't talked about him his Jerry Tillery long, really good athletic profile. He's a defensive lineman from Notre Dame six six about three hundred pounds moves really. Well, has the length has the density? Good explosiveness off the snap. I think is best football ahead of them. Do we think he can play that strong side D end, I do, and that's too is kind of endearing to us. Like, we were talking with Craig Mattie, you when we mean, Jake, and Craig we basically DM a lot we just we're we're in the DM's on Twitter's just talk through stuff. This is a move for a guy like Tillery would be. A kind of a Chesapeake to you. Could you could play inside and outside? You could get away with him as a strong side defensive end. So you've kind of got some of that diversity of flexibility that you know, it's a good trait to have it. I think Tillerson's best football's ahead of them. So I was gonna say that, you know, the knock on Hillary is people talk about how he may be doesn't love football. It's not as I love, and which is kind of silly. Because it's like your classic football guys talking about someone that likes to read books. Grabble. This guy likes to go to other countries. He could speak four different languages really committed to being a great NFL player. Just like, no, he's just like someone that has interest outside of football. And that doesn't mean he doesn't love. He's actually do. He's kind of he's kind of a nasty player to when I first started watching a little bit on this kind of like annoyed with them too late chill, man. I don't fall on the guys when they're on the ground already. But he's boat which is nice when he's on your team. He's got that little bit of nasty Unum. So I like Tillery I think him in CJ. Cianci garner Johnson or two guys that are starting to rise to the top for me for the chiefs both of us if they if they do stay there at twenty nine yet. I'm feeling I if Jerry Tillery is the pick. I'm very happy. I think I probably one of the higher on him. So in our group and the Seattle he's still around. He might be a guy that just he's good value there. You're probably not getting the same kind of her civility as you're getting Chauncey garner Johnson. But I think you've. Guy. They can play the post, and I know he didn't test particularly well, he's been dealing with some injuries. It seems like but still good football player. Feel like he's gotten past up in the NFL's is too because this is a pretty I mean, there's really no like elite safety in this class. But there's a lot of necesssarily types. I think there's just like I think it's was corner in safety. It's a lot of fit matters. I mean, it is really important for a lot of these guys Gary bradberry. Gotta keep them on the list. We'll see I I would not just from an opportunity perspective. I mean, great football player. I really like this weird. I really like Garry Bradbury. I don't think I want that. She's taking an interior offensive linemen in the first round Amani AURELIA. That's the name of elite name Amani aurea. Penn State cornerback. I think he's he's a guy that like, I don't know if I'm excited that cheeser taking, but I get it. I like him. I. Dislike him either. I think everyone's got like a mid to late second on him. And I think I have a high second late. I your fringe. I I really like there are certain guys that you just watch. And something about them. You just like I felt the same way. When I watched like Travis white is how I felt when I watched or Loria, and I just feel like they're just always in the receivers hip pocket, and they just are springing. They're like the way they move. They just I don't know how to describe it. But you, and you know, what I'm talking about guys you watch. And just like I have a gut feeling about this guy. I really like it. I I would be probably more excited than you guys use the cheese pick. But he's a guy that that I do quite a bit especially in that second tier of corners and talk about another one. But yes, he's probably my top second tiers guy. I think there's there's there's a lot of the second tier guys in the guy that we're gonna talk about is like, I think some people got a little irritated when we mocked just. Lane for Michigan state out there to the chiefs awhile back, but like he's going to go in that range. She's getting to go in that range. I think lanes probably a don't want to call them a last resort kind of pick at twenty nine. But I don't I for us. Like, he's probably not at the top of the tier? I think we have him in the late thirties as far as our position or as our as our overall big board rankings. So it's not like a guy that compared to others. You're you're through the mood about necessarily, but the athletic profile is exceptional. I think he's I think he's another guy his his developmental Archies still in his infant stages. Developing a cornerback and he's got the Linke's got the ball skills. There's a lot to like about him. I think he's probably a little bit more raw probably not as much plug and play as other guys. But I think if you took that pool right there. I think there's a decent chance that that. She's next pick is is in that pool. Jake. We're going to bring Matty on a second. But first I want to just kind of ask you, we we're gonna do this consistently throughout this whole leading up to the process. Give me another day three sleeper. Yes, I have one for you. This is a guy we have not talked about it all he's got a name that sounds like a few other guys in this draft class. But this is just Shawn Johnson, the Jewish Sean from Texas Tech. He is a fun day three type guy. He is not someone I would want to bring in and have to rely on to be my starting safety because he's a little bit smaller. He did not test. Like I thought he would like I saw on tape. He actually ran like the four six range, and he's like barely pushing five ten one eighty five one ninety. But I think he's a guy that he he's got exceptional closing speed. And if you if you Twitter searches nee. That's what you'll what you will see because that's like his best trait. And that's what people have kind of clung onto when they will Jif of him and stuff like that. But it's true you'll see him just absolutely fly onto the screen and cut down ball carriers or or make a play on the ball. So I think he's got the ability to kind of play that on the back end in kind of being a racer in some capacity. He did not test. Well said so that is troubling. But that's also why he's going to be a day three guy. But I would not be surprised at all to see Shawn Johnson beyond an NFL team be on a team for a long time, and and find some type away to contribute, and that's kind of the route. I went with this day three type because there are some day three types in like, I'm looking at yours, and I think you'll get into this. But there are some day three types that you just take a swing for the fences because they have all the traits. There are other day three types that maybe or limited in some capacity, but they have some ability that you think they will be a contributor on your team for a while. So I think that's. Of how and that's the mold Shawn Johnson fits is someone that you're going to draft and hope that he can contribute in some way or another probably hopefully never as like a fulltime starter. But maybe like a nickel type safety to play in certain packages, and so on and so forth. Yeah. I mean, you're right. There's some sometimes you shoot for the fence swing for the fences on profile. Sometimes you just swing on guys that have a lot of production college. And there's there's kind of two lines of thinking or some guys kind of caught in the middle. My guys Corey Ballantyne in the backyard of the candidacy cheese from Washburn. I'm really I the I watched him a little bit this week again because I wrote about him on for the twenty five days a draft miss profiles that were doing on air with pride in. I mean, I'm just I'm a fan of his I like some personal stuff like from the backstory kind of talking to him at the senior bowl guy came from Jamaica. He's lived into PK his whole life. He's a track star as well. As a football. Player. I'm a fan of his background. He's he he's he's been in the area this whole time. And wouldn't you watched him at the senior bowl early on? He looked overwhelmed during the process early in the process when we were interviewing when he's doing the media stuff. He looked overwhelmed win, you know, they got him the field the first day room kinda rough right? I don't think he was accustomed to the speed of the came. He was a little bit too Hansie us out beyond his frame too much. And then slowly. But surely as the day went on he just got better and better, and I'm a big fan of Corey Balentine. And I think he's another guy. I keep saying this today's best football's ahead of him. I think he's got developmental traits that you like tested well performed well at the NFL combine and I'd love to take a look at him in the later rounds. We're going to bring Matt onto talk about the second round pool. Right after this get your brackets ready, March madness here and the best places they on top of all the NCAA tournament. Coverage. CBS sports HQ CBS sports HQ is a free twenty four hour sports network. That's built for fans just like you from nonstop highlights to news and analysis. CBS sports HQ got you covered by cutting through the noise of hot takes fake debates to get smart analysis, and helpful highlights for your fantasy teams and beyond checkout. CBS sports HQ. It's. Always on and always free. No need to pay a subscription fee or have an expensive cable package. 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Not eating lunch at ten o'clock your time actively just eight right before we started this. Of course, you did always eating that is also met Manny, you'll have you'll be happy. Dull media Cipolla today changes you'd still get quadruple rice, or whatever kind of weird thing. Doubled the rice. I have. No shame. Sorry. I'm sorry. Only. Don't listen to can't. I know it hurts the soul. No, just stop. Okay, mattie. I wanted to go over the second round pool we kind of been workshop and this just talking about like if the cheese stay at sixty one and sixty three or if they move up a little bit. We kind of see this this is kind of a realistic pool players that they could slick some slick from. So let's let's just all this these corners corner. Trayvon. Tremont Trayvon Molin from Clemson Joe Williams from Vanderbilt rock, yes. In from temple de'andre Baker from Georgia. We've talked a lot about those guys. I want you to talk about your guy a little bit Sean bunting from central Michigan. Yeah. So the chiefs are going to be saying here at the end of the second round. And I think there's a good chance to chiefs are still going to be looking at like a tier to kind of corner from the Strath class just like a general guy that I would ring alot Byron Murphy, and greedy Williams, everybody below that. And it's probably a good ten players deep. I'm calling tier two corners. So the urge to pick one of those guys at the end of the first round isn't huge anymore because there's such a small difference between that and this group of guys that we're talking about here at the end of the second round. So whether you wanna take Justin lane or Amani, oh, you warriors at the end of the first round, that's fine. But Sean buntings a guy that you could get at the end of the second that is a century to me the same player if not graded even a little bit better than some of them. He's equally as good of an athlete. Same long athl-. Attic frame. He tested off the charge. Just like both of them. And yeah, he's a little raw just playing it central Michigan. But he's a guy that you watch him and his level of competition. He beats these receivers up off on the scrimmage. He's got some of the better pressman reps that you're going to see you at any of the corners in this clashes pushing guys out of bounds and get it helps playing some lower competition, but he played against Anthony Johnson buffalo, he plead against both draftable Toledo wide receiver. So he played some guys that are going to be in the league, and you got to fix a few transitions and just little stuff like that. Like, you're going to any corner. But the athlete upside in the physicality through the roof, so he just one of my favorite guys and that tiered to group of corners, and we can have the Lucas locomotive and the bunting bus the exact same time. So we're building this entire locomotive like transportation type team in the secondary. Are we the jets the chiefs? That was a terrible joke. But I don't even care because I'm just at this point as push as as we've done the last three months we're wearing down. Okay. Charles bennie. You defensive end plays edge at Texas. Tell me what you think about him. I'm a fan of. I know you kind of have a you like him. Don't love maybe. Yeah. He's okay. To me. He's like the picture. Perfect ideal defensive end for Steve spagnuola defense right now from what we're seeing the guys we've brought in from what we've just seen about his place down everything we've heard like he fits the mold perfectly. But same thing. I don't love him. I fully get why that she's going gonna like them have been interested in him at both the senior bowl and the combine he's big he's long. He's pretty strong. He has the ability to kick inside if you want to from time to time, but he definitely plays the best kind of lined up as between a four which is going to be just off the inside shoulder of the tackle or playing right off the outside shoulder of the tackle. That's read it as best. He plays through the tackle. He's long uses a good rip dip up underneath and pretty much. That's what we're gonna end with him. Because again, he's not my favorite guy. I don't think he shows bend in the hips. And I don't think he's powerful enough to really be the best our rusher out there. He's. A guy. It's a good at everything not great at anything. So he's definitely got odd. Feel more comfortable around three. But if you want them you're going to go round to. Yeah. I think that's where he's gonna wind up is that late round three cheese. Take many you've got Aqaba Okeafor and many, Hugh you got Brees Linden. The three owes like that. That's happening. Safe and kill red Rover team there, by the way, like imagine trying to bust through some of those long Armstrong dibs. Oh, no. There's no way. I mean, all they all they all come from the Steve Spagnolo lab from for edges just long. Yeah. So. Safeties Taylor at Jonathan everyone. We've talked a lot about them. Why receivers keen Butler, you got Devaux Samuel third rec- round think we've talked a ton about and he just had his pro day on Thursday JJ or Sega Whiteside from Stanford right and JJ cigarettes guy wanted to talk about because we haven't talked about him. And actually I've been pretty low on him compared to some other people out there. There's people that absolutely love his tape like some people have wide receiver one two three kind of range, and like I get it into completely fair in the process like he's similar to Kim baller. Even though I didn't like his tape near as much. He's a very tall long wide receiver that is very athletic for a size, and if you're gonna play the same car that I do the team Butler that he has real wide receiver one potential because he's already very good and dominant at one specific trait and has the ability to play in the slot or outside. It's only fair that I mentioned that J J or Sega Whiteside is in the exact same boat. He's a dominant jump ball guy. Even though he doesn't even. Jump that much. She just bought his players out. He literally plays power forward in the end zone. And he boxes out guys. Like, no one I've ever seen in the game of football. Besides tight end. And he doesn't leave his feet. He just shoves guys out of the way using his but not gonna cuss on this podcast is the family podcast. Can't come on now. And then so yeah, I just wanted to bring them up a little bit. He read a four four nine. I believe is where we're sitting at four four eight in the forty right now had thirty four inch jump almost a ten foot broad. So he tested explosive and fast didn't necessarily see it on the film. But again, this is a guy that has the size and the ability to play in the slot and on the outside and be a good player going forward. So if you want him you're going to hope he's their second round. I think he's enticing like Akeem Butler is for the same reasons for the GPS. Matt a little scared ask you this next question. Oh, here we go. Day three sleeper. Give me one. All right. So it's only fitting that we talked a little bit earlier about the guns being out because I have on sleeveless shirt because I don't think my guy porter Guston has worn sleeves in about five years, which is phenomenal. It's perfectly on brand. This is a dude that lives in the gym. He tries weird diets all the time and lives by these crazy diets, and that's something that just. Researching. What porter Guston puts into his body. It's like the first Google thing that comes up about his rehab. I think it was the rehab from the torn bicep last year. So you let me get back to the player Kent. Please continue the reason that he's a day three sleeper is because got ten injury history had a broken toe going into two thousand seventeen then he tore his biceps the shutdown two thousand seventeen in two thousand eighteen he came out on five seven and a half sacks through six games. And then unfortunately, a bone spurn his ankle he got pushed landed on awkwardly and his ankle broke. So the gods been injured he came out performed everything at the combine and test like in the league athlete. He's legitimately an elite athlete coming off this injury. And we're talking about him going in the third round or the third or fourth round here. And so he fits the spagnuola criteria that we're gonna talk about considering up all the way to the draft about length height size and weight, he's super strong, and these are all things that matter just these Nolan what I really like about him despite fitting all the size criteria. He's got some juice. He's got the ability to actually been the edge a little bit. And that's where it really impresses me as he fits the mold. But he plays an entirely different style than Brillon speaks or Alex Ogle for. Or Charles or Charles M in you. Yeah. But it's a little little things like that. They got really enticing by him. And again, he fits my brand. He's everything that I am about guys that I love football. He's got a man bun. He's got a beard and he lives in the gym. That's an instant first rounder. If it wasn't for the injuries. Where's your men? But Matty, when I get one you've talked about this before my wife will not let me grow up my hair because once it gets to about four inches. This thing starts to curl, and we get a little bit of a fro going on. It's not pretty. Oh, my your Cory Matthews. We're not gonna go there. I'm not digging spot with the response to imagine Mattie lane Jake with a Cory Matthews throw. Yeah. It's a little it's a little wave your of curls. But yes, very curly hair. If it starts to grow out, you definitely agree. You're out in high school. Absolutely not. I bet you I'm gonna go back. I'm gonna go creep on Facebook. Okay. I wanna ask you this one question. Schwedt twenty nine asks I great question. Jake answer. We're going to answer later, you lead us off on this one favorite names in the draft last year. I really like me if it's Patrick Armani. Watts Hercules to Africa give me one all. So my favorite is an off all one backer from Akron named Ulysses Gilbert and only for the reason that he obviously sounds like a president, but even more. So you see a guy you listen. And then you see them in shorts, and we're getting back to the brand this dude had legs assize at tree trunks and his name's leasees Gilbert, that's just an instant win for me. Yeah. No. That's a good. That's a good point. I think he did he go to the struggles. That right. Yeah. I believe it was the shrine. Yeah. The shrine game. And they had the picture of them. But I just remember laughing at his name when I heard it because you listen, he's Gilbert does not sound like a football player. It's better than being the small headed pass rusher. But the name did not sound like football player. But then you just see the picture of the big legs. Magic to the the name. We're set. That's thought him on Twitter at TV Carolina. Thanks, bud. I'm on Twitter at barley, hop, Craig style. So but. Not much man today has been the day from hell, I'm so glad to be sitting down here talking with you guys about football right now this really excited talking about football with us right now, though. That's that is exactly how bad my day has been. I would I I'm loving talk to you guys. Now that is rough. Yeah. Yeah. It's rose. Hop or the hop harvest just not not fruitful this year. No, actually. No. The hops are doing great growing right away. The William Mets are only one that haven't really sprouted buds yet the rest. I don't really know. What you're nobody wants to. I don't know. Trying to get at. But I'm really excited to be talking sports ball with you as. But I I am too. I guess. Okay. Third around player pool. Kind of. Been deconstructing and looking at like a pool of players that could realistically be in the first the second. Now, we're going to give you the hard one Craig because your day hasn't been has been just way too easy. So let's talk a little bit about the third around player pool. We kind of been working through this. I'm gonna have you talk about a few players guys that we think that she's realistically. Take in the third round tristen hill defensive lineman from central Florida. Jalen, just they just need to take them. Trysted Hilda matter what if. No matter what get the get the post. It note out. Write it down. You wanna know something do you know, what the anti Tristan hill is the next guy? Ferguson. The next guy on the list. I mean, honestly, this is the right spot for him though. There's rights go I want you to talk about Jim L dean because I don't think we spent a lot of time him the cornerback from Auburn. What do you think about him because he tested phenomenally? He tested super phenomenal. He ran a four three forty. He had a forty one inch vertical in one hundred thirty inch broad. He's a guy that just lit up. The combine put him on a lot of guys radars. He that speed shows up on onscreen. He's a guy that can cover every single receiver in the NFL vertically problem is he's just got really stiff hips, and that's why he's gonna fall to this point. He struggles a little bit with some of his route recognition, but he does have some pretty decent ball skills, and that speed and the link that he has I mean, he's a six one two six corner. So he's well built he's going to come up and tackle. And he's just a guy that fits a lot of the things. Steve's bag Nola wants out of his corners. He just has a little bit of rigidity and tightness coming in and out of breaks. That's what's going to drive them down the the draft board. Honestly, I think he's a safety. Yeah. I think you could be a safety too. That would kinda limit some of his hip rigidity on the back end there. He certainly got the speed to and his rangy enough to kind of play back there. I'd worry a little bit about his route recognition, but in Brown three getting an athlete like that. You're just gonna take that. Okay. Keep going down the list is as Johnson cornerback tested exceptionally as well all these kind of guys definitely tested, a high level a guy. We haven't talked about a lot Jake or Craig that I think you should kind of dress drew tranquil the linebacker from Notre Dame drew tranquil guy that I really really like watching him play. He's a tone setter. He's a converted safety. So he's got coverage ability, but he's just a little bit small, and he's got injuries that have kind of loaded them up a little bit. He's torn both of his ACL's. He's just kinda got nagging injuries. One of those guys that you know, several times as you're watching games you see him go to the sideline because he gets he gets dinged up. And he's gotta be. Looked at. So he he's a guy that has everything that teams are going to want out of a will linebacker coverage ability. He can hit he's got sideline to sideline range. He can set an edge against tight ends as well. He's a guy that's going to get drafted and play. Really? Well, when he can be on the field his problems just that he can't get on the field all that much Andy's already twenty four. So can't hate him. Of course. I mean, if if you're not if you're over twenty four older like your your dinosaur, you're dead to Kent. Yeah. Blake Cashman linebacker from Utah. We talked about him foster Moreau the tide from LSU. We've talked a lot about Jay stern burger from Texas. AM David Montgomery from Iowa State scary, Terry MacLaurin, the wide receiver from Ohio State won last guy. Want to talk about Riley rigidly wide receiver from Georgia. Jake. I know you kind of the primary guy on this. What do you think about him is Blake Cashman from Utah? Yeah. Late cashman. Who's the Minnesota kid? Minnesota. No, the Utah, kids Cody Barton. Sorry. Yeah. This is my phone. Hey, seeing I'm on top of things bellies. You good thing. I don't have this mental fatigue bomb. I'm paying my stride. Yeah. So Blake Cashman from Minnesota. Minnesota Minnesota I feel really bad because I just stereotype white linebackers. Well. Not much better soda. Oh, yeah. Anyways, anyways, Riley Ridley from Georgia. I do not like him as much as some other people. Do he's not a guy that I just see a clear path to success in the NFL. So even in the third round, I wouldn't be super wild about it. I would much rather have like a scary. Terry rally really is not as big as some people think he is. He's like six foot one ninety. He did not test. Well, he's not a good looking athlete on film, in my opinion. And I don't really see what people love about his routes. It's not a super Vance route tree and they're not great. So in the third round wouldn't be van. And adding onto that like from a production standpoint, it wasn't like he was overly productive player, Georgia either. So you've got a limited athlete. I didn't think he separated at a high level. And there wasn't a ton of production there either. Like, it's a weird combination for everybody be. So highly regarded Craig do you have any thoughts on reality? Really? I mean, I would say that I'm probably higher on him than you too. I like him. I think he's very smooth and very fluid and especially with his releases. He can get off the release really well, and maybe part of that's because I watched a lot of teams play against Georgia reviewing cornerback. So I watched Riley Ridley beat up on a lot of guys that are going to be drafted in this draft class at cornerback. He gave Joe on Williams fits in that Georgia offense. So I think that he does have a path to success. But yeah, I'm with Jake. I think he's falling to little more. I expected him to be a better athlete than he. Was. Yeah. It wasn't great day. Three sleepers. Jay won't you won't you give me the data me sleeper because we've been doing that last couple of weeks. Yeah. This is a guy that immediately. When I watched him, I screamed this is Steve Spagnolo edge defender Austin Bryant out of Clemson. And when I say days three I mean day three we're talking maybe round six seven. He's a guy that is long and he's strong. He's down to get the friction. We say that every week and every week live. He's six four he's to seventy one and he's got freakishly long arms. He's a guy that played really well off of Christian Wilkins, and stunted and twisted. Really? Well, as an edge player, he played opposite Cleland feral a lot. He definitely benefited by not being the guy in that four man rotation there. But he's a guy that I think makes some sense based on what Spag no likes out of his edge defenders and a guy very late in the in the draft there. He's going to be a guy that is just going to stick around because he's a good football player. He's just kind of capped athletically, and physically so he just makes it a lot of sets based on the rest of the players that they've added so far you look at like two years ago. He's one of those guys that people thought was a top fifty prospect two years ago, you know, like there's a lot of guys that wind up falling. You know way. Back over time. But like Austin Bryant was a guy that people were like this guy's a first round prospect like two years. Lutely, absolutely. He was a four star top fifteen nationally coming out of high school. I mean, he's a dude everybody loved he just never really got to that point. He's just not that kind of athlete. It was part of that group of Clemson de Lyon that we question do they have four first round players on their defensive line. Yeah. And no. They might have three. Next goes. Bri-? Aegis got clumped together with. Big Wilkin, big Wilkin, Dexter Lawrence and clone feral. I mean, they have top fifty third. They're all going fifty and Bryant just got clump together with them. So of course, eleven years from now Austin Bryant is going to be celebrating super successful NFL career while we're talking about the three other. She's didn't make a second contract of the draft. We're gonna be complaining that the ravens paid him twenty million dollars going, man. What is he going to do with this contract and just you know, rack up ten sacks year? Yeah. That sounds about right. Okay. Sweb Twenty-nine asked. I had had Mattie into this already favorite name in the draft. Oh, this is easy for me. So you only talk talk. Oh, my guy. Sam linebacker, donate Taki Taki. He's my guy. That's my favorite name in the draft right there. Even more than Joe on jo-hun. Joe haunt that is barley up. Everybody's at chief of the verge has podcast every week called the verge cast my friends, Paul Miller, indeed or bone. 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And if you like it Tele friend, I'm Spencer hall, don't do anything smart. We're going to close this thing out with a mail bag today. Jake, I want to start with web twenty nine th question favorite name in the draft. There's a lot of good options. But I really like. Sheldrick ray. Show that red wine. I think he's gonna make a play in the NFL. Like, I would love it. If that stadium would play that song, and he's the safety from Miami's actually pretty good. He's not bad. Here's the thing about this year's draft is kind of weird guys like rock ya sin and oceans Zimmer this we've been talking about for like weeks. So it's like not as fun to talk about a guy like that. Right. You know, like, the those names like are very common. Everybody is saying so like, I don't I that's not fair. Let me go with the let's see here. Let me give you a good one. I like little Jordan Humphry. Will jordan? He's got L I L on his name. Did you know the story? Do you know the story behind that? I don't. So when he was born his older brother is a huge Michael Jordan fan. And so he wanted to name them my Jordan by after Michael Jordan, and his mom was like, nah, little comb a little germ. Screw star. Google is real. I don't know. I don't know if that's the exact dialogue that happened. But yes, no, his older brother is Michael Jordan fan and his mom named him little Jordan. Okay. That kind of made my day that that made a rough day. Very good. That's not real real. Wow. Okay. I think that's even in the guide might have made it in the guy. Art. I haven't I haven't read all two hundred and twenty-five ride ups yet. And I haven't read little Jordan Humphries because he's weighed on at the top of your list. Hamp Cheever's just a phone to say is Brutus Cornelis asks if if all over falls Ed over at what number do, you think the the cheese would trade up for him? So I think I don't think that they would trade up to like fifteen to go get a guy like at all over. I think it would just kind of be one of those situations where if fell to where they could give their third into the early twenties. That's where they would wind taking Oliver. He's not I don't know if he's a guy that they would be really aggressive to acquire. But be oppertunistic with right? Yeah. And I think you'd have to start thinking too. If he's falling in the first place because NFL scouting department's view him differently than we on Twitter do so would the chiefs even tried out for them would they value in that high? Why would they think differently than everyone else? Hopefully because they're smarter and they go do it. Right. But carried out, but I don't know. I would. Yeah. I agree with you. I think he would need to probably fall into the early twenties. And then where it's just like, you know, we're not giving up a tone to go get him. But we'd like them enough that we're just going to make it happen. Andrew Metcalfe seven asks what are the chances that the cheese draft a linebacker in the first three rounds? I don't think it's super high. I mean, they've spent a lot of early assets and a lot of money at the linebacker position. You've got door, you know, Daniel with a third around pick. And you know, this year's fourth is being spent on Reggie Ragland. And they spent a lot of money on Anthony Hitchens like that's not a position where I think you can go in use one of your four best assets to address that position. Maybe if if they were it would be a Sam they would be trying to identify more of a rush Sam type player like that. That's the only thing that makes sense to me when it comes to the linebacker position. Well, also, there's not a linebacker were taking in the first three. Around. That's not named Devon. Through Wilson, you could probably make a case for he would be the only one I probably as for the the linebacker market is weird in the straffed because you've got very top-heavy. But then it's everything else is just day. Three guys. More very close today. Three guys. It's it's bizarre. At Tisza l- sage elite that's an elite named Jake and Tisza sage asks if Hopkinson TJ Hopkinson falls to twenty one in no big defensive players are on the board. Do you risk it all and go get him? This is kind of one of those the same things that all over. I don't know. If I go train for TJ Hopkinson because I think TGI fantastic football player. Do not gave me wrong. He's one of the ten best players in this class. But do you trade up for a tight end give up your third round pick? Because that's getting the twenty one that's gonna cost you ninety two. It's going to cost you pick ninety two to get all the way up there. So you're going to do that. And then you're gonna have a tied in address, and you're gonna have sixty one in sixty three to make your defense better. And you're not gonna have ninety two to move up in the second round. And you're you're basically stuck waiting until whatever's left at corner, I don't like your flexibility there to maneuver the board to try. To address the cornerback position. I think that's that's that's a tough tough move to make and on top of it when you're gonna drop. TJ Hawkins seemed to come in and not be your future tied end. 'cause you have Travis Kelsey. So to be a second tied, and I would much rather as much as I love TJ Hopkinson to me like he's atop seven player in this draft class. But if I'm the chiefs, I would rather just take foster Moreau or like hallway warring in the third round. And let him be that second tight end. And honestly, I don't think the drop offs going to be that different. When you're not asking them to be like your feature number one tight end. Yeah. I mean hawks has better. But they hawk hawk is going to have a specific role in that offense. That is not being the feature tight end. I think it would be he'd be playing more in line. So I said foster. Those you can do that for sure now at the same level. But you talk about your cost efficiency. Yeah. I wouldn't give up ten to get Hopkinson. If on the cheese, I wouldn't either. It's nothing on the player because he's awesome chief in West Virginia asks if there is one quarter, you could see the cheese realistically taking that could come in compete for a starting role. Who would it be? I mean, I think there's a few that actually could guy like Justin lane. I think is going to take a little bit of time. This question in context, or they do you think they're talking about the first round or maybe like a more of a made around guy that can compete for. I started asking general. So I mean, I think if you're taking a guy in the first round. Yeah. You'd better better Opie is going to come in and compete for a starting job. I don't know. I'm not sure like Justin lane probably could. But I don't know if you would right away. He might be a guy that takes some time develop. I think Monty or are you probably could. Compete right away. I just think it just kind of pens on like, that's I think that this is kind of that the rue of the chiefs issues at the cornerback position when it comes to this draft because you've got a lot of guys that have good athletic profiles that that that are that need a lot of work like, Sean bunting and just lane and. Like Isaiah Johnson. The good productive corners that have a lot of experience have a lot of production in college or bad athletes like like de'andre Baker. I was just going to say to you. I think that is in that kind of the case for Jeon dre Baker anyways, drafting a guy that you don't think is maybe ever going to be a Pro Bowl type player, but he's going to be a competent NFL starter. And so what point do you take a guy like that? If you're especially if you're the cheese that they just need. Busy bodies out there that can play an NFL level. And I think the Andrea Baker is that it's a new, and that's why I think those questions pretty new awesome. That's actually a really good question. Because you gotta look at it a lot of different ways the talent level the defense the range in which they're taking them. And then like de'andre Baker could probably play pretty early for the chiefs. I don't think the Andre Baker. I don't think the reason be Andre Baker could be available to the sixty one is because of his football ability though, right? The question marks are starting to come out about character and coach ability and effort and all that stuff. So I think Baker I think Baker probably I think he could compete right away. But it's it's the other stuff that is having him fall. The quarterback the quarterback situation. 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Let's Ride: Five things Steelers fans will miss during 2020 training camp

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Let's Ride: Five things Steelers fans will miss during 2020 training camp

"Pittsburgh steeler fans welcome back to another episode of Let's Ride I'm your host Jeff Hartmann here on this Friday tgif. You know when people say, Tgif, I know what it stands for thank God. It's Friday your I think of I think of the old cool Tgif you know I'm talking about family matters perfect strangers. Step by step boy meets world knits mixing them. They're geared together because that was a long running. Series tell that's what I think of Tgif but I digress were here talking Pittsburgh steelers on the CO editor of behind the Steel Curtain Dot Com and obviously if you're listening to this, you found us in some way shape or form all that I ask that you do right now is wherever you're listening whatever APP you're using whether that's spotify I tune stitcher anchor Google play it, follow us especially if you like the content that will you never miss an episode because not only do you have the Let's ride podcast every morning this week next could be Monday Wednesday Friday, but not only will you have let's ride in the morning waiting for you but you'll have our afternoon shows is well, you don't WanNa miss those either they're brown the two parts, thirty minutes. Every single thing we put on there is basically thirty minute segments. So if you can't listen to a full hour, you listen to the first part of listening to the second part later. All right simple. That's all we ask that you do. So on this Friday I thought you know what people always say that the off season is list season meaning. This is when websites like behind the curtain dot com will be struggling to find news because there's not a lot of news. Are you hope there's not a lot of news I always said the off season. If you have big news, there's typically big problems that means some player got arrested. Some players got suspended whatever the case may be. So. There's not a lot of news you create a list, the top five free agent pickups or the worst free agent pickups or the top five first round picks to wear number eleven. I don't know that sounds like Brian Anthony Davis article would not to cut on Brian I. Just think that's he has a mind for that type of stuff anyways I said let's do a list. Let's do a list I started thinking about five top five something top five, five, five What was your name? What's unique about this year we're entering twenty twenty quits unique training camp is totally different. Everyone that has been to Saint Vincent College in Latrobe knows how awesome it is to be there to sit on the hillside or chuck noll field just watch the games, watch the scrimmages, watch practice, and you definitely get a feel for the team but that's not happening this year the national. Football League due to Corona Virus Covid nineteen said, no, no everyone is staying in their home facility and so now the steelers have moved to Heinz field pretty unique set by the. Way I don't know very much notice this, but they're giving players like friends trying to limit them being real close to each other in the locker rooms for obvious reasons. So they're giving a lot of players like the luxury suites to us as kind of like their own little locker room like Joe. Haden was on his instagram account show everyone is pretty crazy how they're up there in the sweets and they've got bathrooms they have everything that you would ever need. Their fingers they're utilizing Heinz field in. I mean, they're utilizing Heinz field. They've got weighed equipment in the concourse area. It's like a giant weight room. They're using all four locker rooms that's pits home locker room, the steelers home locker room in both away locker rooms in like I said, they're using those sweets as well. They're being very smart about it but my gosh, if this is just everything about this twenty, twenty season in this year to be honest with you just screams odd indifferent and so I thought, okay, what are five things that fans will miss? About, the traditional training camp. Because even though the players are at Camp and veterans just arrived is just so different for instance today I'm sorry Thursday Mike Tomlin spoke to the media and he said you know they just had a meeting with veterans but the rookies and the new the new guys were undrafted free agents and things of that nature. They watched a virtually from home. So that means while Ben, Rothlisberger and Juju issues to were sitting in the meeting room. Chase Klay poll in everything Farland were watching from their apartments on a computer. It's just different it's just different. It doesn't mean it's bad. All the time it just means is different. So I thought, let's do five things. Five things that fans will miss. Number One and this is not in any order of importance interest five things I don't think one is more important. So one of them is obvious. It's not as visible. Okay. The Camp Camp Battles unfolding. the fact that there's no preseason game. It's just not as visible period. I know that for a fact, I haven't been to camp in a long time. It was really cool to be on twitter in to follow someone like Chris Carter used to write for behind the steel. Curtain. Nalty K. Pittsburgh sports been with decay for about six years. Now, he would be live at latrobe in tweeting what's going on giving his personal take Mason Rudolph boy does he looked sharp today? Devlin Hodges is really turning heads with his ball placement and his ability to command the huddled little things like that. It's just not as visible thankfully. Unlike some of the other sports that have already come back during this pandemic, the NFL has said that they are going to have reporters on site. So we still will get some of that once they start padded practices in in about. A couple of weeks. Once they start doing that, we're going to see some more insider things. But it's just not as visible. You're not GonNa see those camp battles play out in front of your very eyes. You're not GonNa sit there and think, okay, man, this is something I really WanNa Watch in the preseason I know a lot of people hate breezy games and I know the players really hate him but ultimately, they had a lot of importance. People that say the preseason is worthless don't realize. The coaching staff has to really evaluate their team and a Lotta Times. He's training camp battles are actually broken down on how players play during the preseason games. There are none this year. So you think about some of the battles coming into camp that we're just we're just not going to get to see. Whether. It's Zach Banner and szucs a core for right tackle. That's assuming they keep that file or left guard. Paxton Lynch and Devlin. Hodges battling out for the third quarterback Spot J. T. was released. He's no longer in the mix. Mike Hilton Camp Sutton vying for possibly that nickel role I mean Mike Hilton is definitely been that guy but maybe sutton comes in plays extremely well on shows that he can do something there's more than just these three. But it just goes to show you that we're just not getting to see it. In that's disappointing. I, understand it I'm not crying over spilled milk, but it's just different and so I for the fans and I speak to you as a fan. I don't have to hide my fan hood at behind the Steel Curtain I. Am a Fan just like you listening to this are fans in. So as a fan that's something I'm GonNa Miss, and I know. That, you're gonNA miss it too. Because without the visibility you're not gonna get to see things unfold without preseason games is definitely not going to be as evident Abe becomes very clear who's going to win these battles especially when you talk about Lynch versus Hodges because when you're out there the quarterback year they're making the throws you're making the plays or you're not. When you talked about Zach Lantern. Core for the it's pretty. Obvious in there. I even liked to have my tom would utilize these guys. Always remember how they would Mason Rudolph and Joshua Dobbs you know week one, maybe dobbs would get the start in nation rougher come in we to Mason Rudolph will get the start. I love all the things that had to do with that type of setup. Unfortunately, we're not gonNA see it that was number one. K. Number two. I hate the you're not gonNA see progress. You're not gonNA see progress in players from start to finish. Think about the players that you can think of even a guy like to czar skipper last year who comes in is kind of a relative unknown in next to you know by the end of the preseason, he's ever everyone's talking about him. Mike Hilton was the same way. Go back a little further Redman was that way Where a WHO who is this guy and they're playing so good that you can't that you know they can't cut him. You know they can't try to stash practice squad they have to get him on their team you're gonNA miss that progress. So here are some players that I think fans are going to really miss out on are these players developing? Are they taking a step forward? Are they taking a step backwards? I mean you guys like Mason Rudolph and I know the Tony Defeo wrote a great article, the site a few days ago that was based on the fact that Mason Rudolph I think it was actually, Monday. Mason Rudolph. His progress is not good. We hope is not going to be evident to anyone. And what does that mean? That means that? Basically Mason Rudolph. Could be exponentially better than what he was in two thousand nineteen. Ben Rothlisberger stays healthy and there's no preseason. Why would we ever see it? Outside of Mason Rudolph is having a good practice. And did that could be a headline. But ultimately, why would we ever know Mason Rudolph has improved into? This is tough for coaches to think about the fact that Rothlisberger has one more year left on his contract. And the team might WanNa know exactly what they have in him and some people say, well, we saw enough a him in two thousand nineteen. I'm not disagreeing, but let's remember that in two thousand, nineteen although Rudolph was in his second year. He was essentially a rookie. He never dressed for a game. His rookie season hardly got any practice reps. he was basically learning on the fly in year two. You're not to get to see any type of progress. We hope you don't get to see any progress at least in the preseason we won't here's another player that really intrigues me that no one really talks about Justin Lane now Justin Lane is second year cornerback, Outta Michigan State. He's currently on the COVID nineteen injured reserve list. So have Masumi he'll be back probably next week if I do my numbers correctly in my head in terms of how many days they're supposed to quarantine and then test negative and test negative again in their back, he should probably be back with the team next week but I wanNA see how he's developing. Because here's a guy that everyone said, he's got all the skill sets. He's got the size he's got the length. He's got the speed. He is one of your prototypical outside cornerback. Now, he did say that he can play inside as well but at your alternately you're looking at it saying, okay will if he could be outside and he really be showing some progress made, you let the guy that's after Joe Haden we won't get to see that we won't get to see that at all again outside of a reporter saying Justin Lane looks good. And that's tough. That's really difficult for me. Here's another player Marcus Allen. Bounced around practice squad made roster they keep him around for a reason if Marcus Allen was awful then there's no way shape or form that the steelers would even have any in having him on an offseason roster but they've kept him around for a reason is a guy that could fill a role similar to like a mark Barron last year. A guy that can play the down in the box you know all these are questions that I would love to watch actually unfold in front of my very is in the preseason I used to like to watch these things and I'm not no. One's going to get the opportunity to. Yes. I can't believe I'm GonNa Miss preseason game so much I'm not gonNA miss hearing. Bob. pompey any on the play by play call. But at the same time I'm GonNa Miss Watching the progress of these players. Here's more. What about the new guys? What about the players or brought in whether? It's Stephan Niki Eric Brown Derek Wad or they're six rookies. And how the rookies look House Chase Klay Pool looking what about Anthony Mcfarland? About Antoine Brooks I could go through the whole laundry list of players, Alex Smith. How are they developing? Are they showing promise? Are they looking like they could actually make an impact? What's really awful about this in my opinion and we'll kind of round out this bullet point number two. The fan base and we really are. We act like we deserve to be privy to this information and we really don't. But at the same time I look at this and say It was really nice knowing that even if Alex Smith doesn't play much, this year is an outside linebacker. Let's say he's strictly a special teams demon for the steelers. Filling that role may be of a tyler medicated type. If? That's all he is this year. That's fine. But in the preseason at least we could look back and say member how he kind of he turn some backups inside out. He showed some promise. He gave us a glimmer a glimpse of what we expect from him in the future. As he continues developed, we aren't going to get that. That's disheartening. Again, I understand it. But at the same time, it's also one of those situations where like man this is Really, really really does stink but there you have the the first two that we covered here. In case you're daydreaming or you're just joining us wait can't battles unfolding the first number one is it's not going to be as visible. The second thing is that we're going to miss out on seeing a lot of progress I told you I was GonNa give you five and I am the next three coming up. Right. After this book. All. Right. His Burke steeler. Fans Jeff Hartmann here your host dead let's ride and I'm the CO editor behind the steel curtain dot com. We already did the first two of the five things that fans are going to miss about this awkward and strange. Different training. Camp in two thousand, twenty in the first one was it's not going to be visible. The second one is that we're not GONNA get to witness progress with our own two eyes and the third thing is news. News. My goodness the news is just so weird. Hey again, if I I I've ran, I've been a part of the steel curtain for at least the past seven seasons I've been an editor in some way shape or form in the last six going into my six season. Eight you're so used to finding these articles that are written because we are not permitted at training camp out unless we're just going as fans. I'm so used to sing let's say it's Joe Rudder of the Pittsburgh Tribune review just to throw out a name. But say, Joe Rudder is waiting is the players are leaving practice latrobe? And all of a sudden he sees Carlos Davis Seventh Round Pick in the two thousand, twenty NFL draft coming up the hill. No one's asking for his autograph he's had a really good Camp Joe Rutter says Hey Carlos you got a minute. and. He said sure and he goes over and any gives them. It gives them an interview. You're not going to get that this year. Because, the reporters are not going to be allowed to be in that setting with them, and so fans will get to hear from this player that they're not going to get to hear from this year. Because now, the Pittsburgh steelers are hand-picking who reporters to interview. Again I understand it that doesn't mean I have to like it. There's a clear difference I understand why they're doing it but at the same time that doesn't mean that fans aren't going to miss all that stuff so. For instance this week you heard from Mike, Tomlin Deontay Johnson Vince Williams Ben. Rothlisberger I believe Ike Hilliard met Canada coaching staff. You know all these they're doing a great job of getting reporters and news out leads people to be interviewed. But. It's just not the same zoom calls suck. I hate to use that word. My mom would yell at me when I would use that word as a kid choose a different words she would say, well, they stink then mom sorry they're awful because you have reporters that are not tech savvy and they're you know they might be a little older and they don't know how to take the mute off their microphone when it's their turn to ask a question and they're asking some are asking five questions some don't even get to ask a question because they can't figure out their technology. These zoom calls are awful. Awful I mean just atrocious you can't do anything about it but at the same time, it's just the news is going to be missed. It's going to be missed from top to bottom. You'RE GONNA miss this post game interviews where let's say Joe. Haden. Think back to the New Orleans game in New Orleans two years ago he gets called for those two bogus pass interference calls. You'RE NOT GONNA get fans hearing from Joe Haden. Why because if that were the same game that happened in twenty twenty, there's no way. steelers put him in front of the camera and say you've got to answer questions instead you're going to hear from Mike. Tomlin you'll hear from Ben Rothlisberger or you hear from Cameron Heyward and then they'll be on their way. In that's lousy. As. Lousy for the fans, it's also lousy for the reporters and for people that run websites like myself Dave Scofield Brian. Anthony. Davis Michael Beck. Just, it just the fact of the matter. So News, this year's going to be scarce sin. It's it's a shame but that's number three. The news is not going to be very good. Fourth Fan experience. I want to say that it's well less than a third of the National Football League teams still actually traveled to a destination for training camp that has become a dying breed of organizational thought in the national football league I know that living in Maryland. The Baltimore Ravens used to go to mcdaniel college or Western Maryland and then they stopped and they decide and just stay at home we're going to stay in Baltimore they're giant castle under armor facility, which is really awesome driven by it looks phenomenal. But at the same time they've steelers have. been super loyal to the town of Latrobe into Saint Vincent College and a Guy Young as a kid, a guy that used to coach actually went to Saint Vincent on Lacrosse scholarship in he actually he's a ravens fan but he worked the steelers camps and he was always over there with the players he was driving the golf carts around said, the guys couldn't have been nicer that it was such a cool organization, the way that they came and. It's just an awesome experience. You get kids to get their very first autograph You get people that you get up close and personal local players. It's just second to none. It's so intimate there that. I just you can't duplicate it and again I. Don't expect them to try to duplicate it. There was actually talk a couple months ago that the steelers at Heinz you'd were still going to try into a fan fest event at Heinz Field in just have everyone spread out only accept certain number of tickets and you could just watch practice, but you can't be on top or another. Well, clearly allegheny county put the Kabosh on that really quick and that's not going to happen this year I would be stunned did in. So the fan experience this season in terms of the training camp is zero. Not. That's it. and. So that's missing. That's really missing. You hear these stories that we we ran a an article, a couple years ago on behind the curtain dot com, and it was a story series where we WANNA pick the best story that a steeler fan had, and it could be any story. We had stories about father son's going to Green Bay and watching the Game Lambeau in the snow we had stories of Remember it was a fan fast or something like that where A. A young man was standing there by a door and the door opens up and it's Dan Rooney and Dan Rooney doesn't just closes Orrin leave. He sits in talks with them for about fifteen to twenty minutes and then goes back into the door that he came out of and leaves really cool stories. But I would say that seventy five, eighty percent of those stories were written and we had a lot of submissions. Were about latrobe and we're about Saint Vincent College and were about whether it was them or a son or a daughter that got to meet Ben Rothlisberger the den Rothlisberger or someone like fastly Parker hines ward or Choi Paulo Malu literally stayed after practice for hours working their way up the hill signing every single autograph in every time they stopped they didn't just sign it and move on they had a conversation they were. Actually. Interested in that individual that they were interacting with at that time they were there the physically in mentally win that moment in that's that's a shame that will not going to have that this year said it a million times. It's episode I get it not hating on it not saying it's bad decision I'm just saying it's something that the fans are GonNa. Miss. So that's four to recap. Real quick number one. Was the fact that the preseason is not going to be as visible that includes training camp number two, we're not gonna get to see the progress number three. The news is definitely going to be different and it's going to change number four, the fan experience, and then lastly is. It's not just going to be a focus on football anymore at least not this year and I'm not sure if it's ever going to be a focus on just football anymore. You think about the difference. You would go into camp and there would be ninety players and ninety players would be giving it everything that they had. Everything they had for a month preseason games traveling killing each other drills, literally just scratching and clawing their way. To try and get a roster spot. I, mean just. You can see it on their faces even in pictures and videos that they are doing everything within their ability to make an impression. On actress Josie. Get guys just colliding like two colossal giants and they're just trying to make an impression on Keith. Butler and Mike Tomlin in when Mike Tomlin shows up at the drill and he's watching and he's barking out orders and every everyone can hear it in the pods are the pads are often Man. That was all football. That's all was was the focus on football. And now it's not. Now you have the covid nineteen stuff I mentioned Justin Lane is on the Covid nineteen reserve lists, James Washington Jalen sales are also on the list. I mean yet areas springs who was on the list it's off listen gets cut just like that. And talk about crazy twenty four hours. But still that's this is this is the twenty twenty NFL season. You're adding this expanded practice squad and so now that that was one of our biggest articles of the year was whenever the steelers would make the cut down whether it was from ninety, two, fifty three remember when they used to cut to cuts from ninety, two, seventy, five, and then seventy five to fifty three, whatever the cuts were made who get signed to the practice squad was always the one of the biggest articles of the year. Why? Because all these people would fall in love with these players these fringe players, and they would say, we know that they're not good enough to make the team but. Man. We really want them to stay within the organization. Let them stay. Let them learn. Let them come back next year the better and let them come back and be a superstar eventually now more often than not that never happens Yeah. There are those James Harrison types of get cut and they bounce around then all of a sudden they turned into defensive player of the year that's not the norm but still now you have these expanded practice squad roles rightfully. So because of player test positive for Covid nineteen upwards of ninety minutes before the game that means when they have a list, they're inactive list. They can make a roster move and said these practice squad players going to be traveling with them there. There are certain spots where in terms of seasons accrue does not matter. They can actually carry some veterans on that list, but again, it's just different it's not. It's not what we're used to doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad thing. The focus isn't just on football, for instance on Thursday Mike Tomlin said, and we ran this article I wrote it for the website. He's just not extremely confident in the fact that the season's going to happen based on what Major League Baseball's done. Will you don't know a baseball's done baseball is basically had issues with two teams in mainly two teams the saint. Louis Cardinals in the Florida. MARLINS and they're struggling just to keep their head above water now. I. Do think the NFL's GonNa Learn from that I think they're going to be smarter than them in the players are definitely getting the message that if you WanNa, have a season. If you WANNA, have your full paychecks and you WANNA get paid for sixteen games. We have to have sixteen games and there's a lot of money on the line. But those five things man am I gonNa Miss Everything about it. Again, I'm going to miss not watching the visibility and even if it's just a cell phone video of a drill or cell phone video of a deep pass down the sideline, Juju Smith Schuster is just not going to be as visible. I'm GonNa Miss. Those can't battles that we see right in front of our very eyes in the preseason I'm GonNa miss that of an amiss reading and seeing progress of players. Players, like Mason Rudolph Justin Lane Marcus Allen that I mentioned earlier that's GonNa be a big deal for me and you might be sitting there saying Jeff, I, don't care about this stuff and let's just play the games well, teased their own. You're entitled to Your Own Opinion. That's what's great about this country, and sadly people don't realize but it's still okay to do. We're okay it's okay to agree to disagree but I'M GONNA miss. The fact that news is GonNa Change so much. Everyone's getting the same players. Everyone's getting the same sound bites. Everyone's getting the same quotes is getting the same transcripts and so because of that, you're getting a lot of regurgitated information as someone that runs a site then it turns into a race. It turns into well, if we're all right in the same story, whoever's I is going to catch that wave I and that's not always the best way to handle things. But that's the world we live in right now a news is changing and that's definitely something. I'm GonNa Miss Van Experience up close and personal with latrobe. You talk about autographs you talk about the fan experience of being out of kick footballs throw football they have all that stuff, the Givi, idiot mascot steely MC beams walking around scaring the crap out of kids but that's part of the Fan Experience I. Oh my gosh and lastly the focus just right now that isn't solely on football. It isn't solely on football I'm not sure. I understand why it's not solely on football, but it's a shame that it's not it. It was fun. It was a getaway and I hope that continues to be the case for you. Right, now to kind of sum up this show and wrap things up for this week. I hope that if you're thinking about things in your skeptical, if you're thinking about the upcoming season and you think it's just not worth it. If you're thinking about well I, mean there's bigger fish to fry I get it. I really do. But at the same time, if you WANNA use sports as an outlet. If you WANNA use sports as a way to get your mind off of some of the negativity that's going on in our country in our world right now. Than that's what I do. That's my job. My job has a podcast with this show. And all of our podcasting crew that Sprang Anthony Davis Dave. Michael. Beck Jeffrey Benedict Tony desio. and others. That's our job is to kind of give you a little bit of a distraction and audio distraction. So on the way to work instead of listening to the news, maybe listen to us on the way home you listen to us. in terms of written form. I mean. We're GONNA be giving you twelve to fourteen articles a day probably at some of these articles are podcasts, articles or links articles but ultimately, we're going to give you that content and so with that said, if you WANNA use it, it's there if you want to use it, you saying there's more important things out there jeff I just can't worry about football I get it to get it not gonNA fight you're not gonNA argue at all. But I hope that if you WANNA use it. That's what we're doing. That's our job. So with that said, I want to remind everyone. The next week I'll be back but on a Monday Wednesday Friday basis. So here's the lay out of the morning shows on Monday. I'll be back. Let's ride. Tuesday. Brian Anthony Davis Tony Daffy will be here for the steelers retro Shell. I'm actually excited to listen to this because those two guys talk about. steelers teens, whether it's back in the seventies or the the loss eighties I, call it the nineties or maybe even earlier thousands they're going to talk about their favorite players are stories you name it it'll be really entertaining Wednesday. You got me again Thursday. The. Old Show. steelers tacky back sometimes, it'll be dave and big bro rich or maybe it's just Dave. It's just going to be straight up numbers folks if you listen to my show on Steph onto it on Thursday I talked about stats. That's nothing compared to what he's going to bring to the table summation. You check that out and then Friday around the week with another let's. Ride I. Really Hope you enjoyed this week. We'll have podcast we change the platform we altered things we added this morning show we added the studio feel to it I. Really Hope you enjoyed it. I enjoyed it. I had a lot of fun. I had a lot of fun. So with that said I hope you come back next week I. Hope he follows over the. Weekend will still be adding a podcast not to just one. So make sure you're checking out our podcast feed wherever you listen to podcasts at spotify Google play Itunes stitcher anchor you name it were there follow us, and if you listen to tunes by the way, give us a five star rating if you enjoy the content and give us a good comment because it actually. Does, help with exposure someone goes in the it searches steelers podcast. We are to be the first one there in. That's how that helps. All right folks. That's it. That's a wrap for let's ride week one. I hope you enjoyed it like I said I did we will see you on Monday be stay be safe. Gosh. Be Safe Stay Sane I need to do that. Much. Burn. Burn.

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Standard is the Standard: What will become of the 2020 Pittsburgh Steelers?

Behind the Steel Curtain

48:06 min | 1 year ago

Standard is the Standard: What will become of the 2020 Pittsburgh Steelers?

"Pittsburgh steeler FANS. What is going on? This is Jeff Hartmann. I guess you would call me the former editor of behind the steel curtain dot com. Now I say that boy. It sounds weird. I'm so used to saying the editor behind Sukarno. That's not me anymore. That Dave Scofield has June first officially. But I just wanted to jump on here and you know for those of you listening long enough to my shows whether you go all the way back to blog talk radio and I was sometimes myself talking to myself. it taking calls or whether it was big in the early days of the Youtube Channel I wanted it. Ama- Jimmy Buffett Fan. Okay I'm a huge parrot head and one of my favorite albums of all time is a live compilation album. Double album of Jimmy Buffett called. You had to be there. And it's back in the seventies right. After the changes in latitudes changes in attitudes album was released in every show. He would basically got by himself. It's time for the original core reefer. Banners is him by himself and I was like what this is kind of fitting for me. standard is a standard is where it all started and I started by myself Yes Lance is. A big proponent of the standard is a standard and he and I have definitely turned this into the flagship I've cast in everything that it has become in this platform what it has become very very proud of that and tonight when Lance was tossing some ideas around and said tonight's my daughter's birthday My second oldest daughter turned seven today. And that's why it's a little bit later. But he said you know what I've got my high school. His daughter is a senior in high school. Getting Ready to college. Congratulations to her on her graduation. By the way and I was up there for a little bit. See if we can get me back there we go all right. Sorry about that So I thought to myself a He's at he's got some stuff to do with her graduation to virtual graduates. Don't you go solo? I said okay. I'll do that and so here. I am the original core reefer band in have no script tonight. I have notes. I have nothing. It's it's basically a starting off as a big thank you to a lot of people. Michael Clark puts four ninety nine. Good Luck Jeff. Thanks for everything. Thank you guys angles for all the support. That you've given me Over all these years you know five plus years and I hope that you throw Pittsburgh spoiled and when I say you not just a a steelers damage richer. Pirates and penguins fan as well man. You'RE GONNA love that website because we cover all three and cover them in-depth depth and as you look at like Major League baseball continuing Hopefully eventually the NHL say to saying they're gonNA give back. I don't think the NFL is GonNa miss any time or anything like that but I WANNA go through some. Thank yous first. And then we're GonNa talk about some steelers because that's exactly what we've been to That's exactly what we've been doing all along so let's get started with some thank. Yous first informers. Thanks today. Scofield Dave Scofield was kind enough to ease the burden of leading off of my shoulders based on the fact that he step up to the plate and took over as editor one of the things I wanted to make sure is that When we when I when I sat down when I made the decision and I was like you know what I wanna make. Sure it's in good hands and Dave is exactly. That is in good hands. I I WANNA thank Brian. Anthony Davis for taking over the PODCAST platform. He's GonNa be doing all that back. End Work that I would do with the audio and the ad inserts and putting everything on audio and downloading stuff and all that creating thumbnails. That's going to be him so big thanks to him because I know he'll do a good job. That might be a learning curve at first and I know he's going through that right now but he'll get through it and he'll be get for it I want to be a big shout outs Lance Williams in terms of podcast to focus here on the podcast because Lance is really helped me a lot as I've gone on. I remember when we first started doing shows. He told me he has yet. You know what it is okay to laugh myself. I guess I was just trying to be serious all the time. And he's like it's okay to have fun on the show. We don't have to be all football. The news all the time and it was after that that we really started to evolve and the show started to evolve and then it turned into what we see today. in so for those three individuals. Definitely a big. Thank you but to all the contributors Tony Deaf Yo who's really come into his own as a podcast or To The people of Media Esp nation level that have really helped me along the way Including people from other platforms other. Nfl teams podcast. That have given me tips on things like how to start Youtube Channel. You know and So it's it's definitely been good but most importantly in I've mean this from the bottom of my heart. Most importantly is thank you to you all the listeners. Because like Isaac says he but five dollars in the tip jar. He's been been with you since your blog talk days. Jeff GonNa miss you best of luck to you. Man Thank you Isaac and thank you for your service by the way There's a lot of people that are you know you have you develop a a nomenclature will put it that way. You develop a an obviously a report to an extent a virtual rapport with a little community. That you have on Blah here on our bts's steelers radio page There's names that you just know you know. I mean if I'm talking with Dave O'Brien and like Oh. Yeah Mark Davis. I know exactly who we're talking about. I know he's Australian And he's there in the lives every now saying I'm a legend. Know thank you. Thank you to all the listeners. If you're listening in your car or you're listening on your headphones as you're doing work or whether you're going to work or as you're walking on a treadmill or walking outside whatever it is i WanNa thank you because whether you're no matter how you're listening or whether you're watching I want you all to know that it's you all that make this possible period. It's a labor of love. Are there days where you wish you didn't have to do a podcast? Yes but ultimately when you sit down and you cue up the computer and you see the live chat. Starting you see more and more people turning in it. You've kind of forget about it and you kinda get do his own and you go so I don't want this to be sad and this is not going to be my ultimate farewell tomorrow night. Thursday steelers preview. That's right I'll be there with the guys. Brian Anthony Davis and Dave Scofield Land said. He might chime in as well. That'll be my final send off. A lot of people have said. I've asked me whether I'll be doing podcasts. Over with decay in that is on my to do list But right now I want you understand like I am going to be writing about the steelers you do read. What would I've been doing at bt Se? You can read some of that same material maybe a little bit more in depth over deep. Pittsburgh sports dot com but ultimately I do want to broach the podcast to avid with decay. But I need to get my feet. Wet I I'm hoping fingers crossed. We might be having some podcasts. Definitely not to the breadth of this of seven a week By the time the season rolls around so there could be in the work and guy wrote just mentioned. Please come back as a guest guest if they're willing to have me on. I'll be glad to jump in every now and then to do a spot So awesome that you all are still here and you are hanging with me here. Rhino to put five dollars in the tip jar and he says one last tip d gave his resources getting someone with credibility. Thank you thank You Ryan. Very much again May She check us out. I'M GONNA put some information here in the live chat. So if you all want to follow me on twitter There's my twitter handle. You can follow me there As well as your website where you can find me now. I don't want to plug it too much because this is ultimately behind the curtains. Stick AND WE'RE IN. Keep it that way but you know what when I was thinking about. Okay we gotta talk about the steelers right. This isn't just going to be a whack seeing poetic here about my last standard is a standard show. I want to talk about the steelers. I WANNA talk about. Maybe some specific players I WanNa talk about what you all think to answer your questions and I want you to think of You know anything you WanNa talk about relating to the Pittsburgh steelers. Maybe at the very end all answer questions. It might be like Again at of if you ask me anything that you've had a question your mind That might be geared more towards the after party on Thursday nights by all means you can go ahead and ask away and I'll answer to the best of my ability Ryan Keller says at a loss for words you not. No one's ever said that Regards to me. I'm always the chatty guy so I always have you know all that in my confront he gotTa Talk Period Crazy Chris. We need maple tron teachers there. There go to the dining curtain website. We did do t shirts. You've gotTA score downwards is BTS'S APPAREL. Click on that link. Find the shirt and you can order your own. Maple drawn shirt there. You go all right. Zach wants me to talk about Jeff. Give her life story. Well let's hold off on that. Here's a question I WANNA ASK. Okay is is a guy was actually speaking with via instagram direct message on my other. Instagram account. And that's just Justin Lane just chatting with him the other day of talk to him about you know training and stuff like that. He was Nice Guy Super Nice Guy and He is someone. That really intrigues me. Justin Lane you don't know Justin Lane. He's going into his second year. He was drafted last season out of Michigan State. Grew UP A CLEVELAND BROWNS FAN AND CLEVELAND. And now any plan for the. Pittsburgh steelers and a lot of people were like okay. What are we actually think about Justin? Lane? It's not an easy answer. So what do we know what we know about lane? Okay we know. He is a prototypical outside cornerback. We know that Justin Lane is long. We know the Justin Lane has that very dangerous P. Word that I say often it's potential. He does have potential rumors. Are that inside at in. He's he he said in multiple interviews. Hey I can play inside or outside. Put me wherever hear me out. Think about who they have on the T. Now in the Justin Lane is going to have at least two more years on his rookie contract. So Joe Haines GonNA play this year. You'd assume that he played in twenty twenty one considering the fact that you know he is considering the fact that he is still under contract radios contract but he's at the end of his career. I think we all agree on that. And then if Steven Nelson still there Nelson is phenomenal. Released had a phenomenal twenty. Nineteen season in Hayden's air. Wars GonNA play. Well Mike Helton. He's going to be on a restrictor tender and so we don't know his future. We don't know if they're going to get a deal done. We don't know exactly how they're gonNA handle his situation in particular then you cam sudden camp. Something's going into the final year of his rookie contract. Justin Lane. All of a sudden now is is positioning himself to see playing time. Maybe it is a position of the dime defensive back. That Cameron play now. Maybe it would be the Mike Helton. I if might help and can't stay around or the seals can't afford to keep them route just laying. I'd love to hear your take in the live chat on what you think about his potential. Not necessarily this year because I feel like this year. The secondary in lands has said that he thinks is the best secondary under Mike Tomlin. And he's been the coach two thousand seven. He thinks that essentially I'm trying to where he's fit. Where'S HE GONNA fit? Where's IT GONNA fit? That's what I'd like to see Ryan Keller says we need to keep Sutton and I'm not going to disagree with that because Sutton I think would be able to play the dime defensive back right now but healton obviously the the the nickel in stays on for dime. Cameron Sutton is very versatile very versatile and so. I think that the more that Justin Lane can do the more that he can actually show the he's capable of playing both inside and outside. He have a significant role on this team within a few years in fingers crossed. And we all know that the steelers drafting defensive backs don't have the best history but fingers crossed. Let's say the Justin Lane actually pans out talk about it. A smooth transition from Joe Haden to him on the outside you would still have Nelson on the opposite side in his prime would be the perfect ideal situation. Wouldn't it that be nice? That would be great. Here's another player I wanNA talk about. I'm just GONNA at the top of my head of your by the way. Dion Cain Dion. Cain the guy that was picked up midway through the two thousand nine hundred and season okay. Two Thousand Nineteen mid midway through picked off the practice squad from the Indianapolis Colts Colts fans were upset to see him. Leave and think about the steelers in czar skipper and steeler fans. Were feeling the same thing. I think that a lot of times people get infatuated with players and then when they leave all of a sudden. You're thinking oh here we go. Where does dion? Cain fit into this wide receiving depth. Chart Okay look at number one. Juju Smith Schuster number two deontay Johnson Number Three Juju Smith Schuster number four James Washington number. Five who's that do they keep six? And this is a podcast. I did with Dave Scofield. We predicted the the roster. We said we were GONNA keep six wide receivers. Where does dion? Cain fit into this big tall fast. He his contributions the two thousand nineteen were. Not off the charts. Then again the reason why they weren't off the charts is because a lot of the plays were. He drew pass. Interference calls good place to a positive flight impact play but really caught everything that he got his hands on. I'm curious to see where they utilize him and let's not forget chase able the wide receiver. They drafted with their first pick in the second round. Nah Switzer he got to bring him up. I know that he is the butt of a lot of jokes here on this channel but at the same time. Where does he fit? Where where does anyone fit? Did he keep them all? I don't know it's GonNa be really interesting to see how they utilize these players Dion. Cain we saw a potential with him. We saw potential with him. And I think some of these players just lane Dion Dionne Kane from the rhyming was not intentional there They certainly are going to be talked about as any type of camp approaches. Whether that's a minicamp whether that is training camp You know doesn't matter. They all can say they have a they have. They have a right to put their name in the hat. You know the put their name. Here's another player. Care White running back. Where does he fit or does he not fit will the steelers be brazen enough to? I've said this a million times on these shows will they be brazen enough to say they've made a mistake in cut jalen samuels. That's rare they don't like to do that if you keep waiting. Cut Jalen Samuels. You're saying boy. We messed up on that big even when you're bringing in mad candidate as the quarterbacks coach who coached as an offensive coordinator with Jalen AMAS AT NC STATE. Got Him a lot of touchdowns when they're the boy. Would that be damning of the organization when you have a rookie or I'm sorry not a rookie? You cares white signed from the bears practice squad in the middle of two thousand and nineteen. Who makes it over a drafted player? He doesn't even get into his third year of his rookie contract. I don't know personally did a samuels offer more than white. It depends on what you're looking for in a backfield. If you're looking for speed elusiveness white is that Guy Times thousand compared to Samuels. If you're looking for versatility if you're looking for pass protection than it's probably going to be samuels over white but some of these players that are mentioning here are going to be worth talking about. Yeah we can sit here and we can talk about the depth chart quarterback and Mason Rudolph and Paxton Lynch but these players are players that are legitimately vying for not only a roster spot but a potential to play You know you look at McFarland that they drafted out of Does he bump guy like white off the roster curious to see will come down to special teams Gareth White being able to return the ball. Do they still want to have the ONTA- Johnson returning punts? Yes he's electrifying. But we saw this with Antonio Brown Antonio homes both under Mike Tomlin and he comes to the point of. Do you WANNA risk the injury for the dynamic play in. That's not always worth it though. The risk is not always worth the reward. I said it a million times. When Antonio Brown Brown's here they did with Santana homes where they would only put them back return a punt in key situations whether it was. They want the best hands out their fair catch. Or whether it was this is going to be returnable pond. And we WANNA make play so it's GonNa be interesting to see how some of these these three players that trio of players and talking about care th White Dion Canaan Justin Lane Insert themselves into this discussion. As what is your going into June and it's weird because there has been nothing so far in terms of legitimate news When the legitimate news has been Ben Rothlisberger shaving his beard in throwing a couple passes on an instagram or twitter video. Well that's that just shows you the the crazy times that we're living in right now. So will they get to a minicamp reason? Reports state that they're they're ready for coaches to possibly get back into the facilities and the maybe we have a flip of the script in what I'm talking about is typically if you pay attention to the NFL. Candor you're looking at may is when you would have. Ot as as organized team activities followed with a rookie minicamp would be before that or during that and then he'd have mandatory minicamp would be kind of like that culminating events and then the players would be off for the entire month of June and July until they come back the July for training camp. Now the suggestion is maybe late June. They have a minicamp in which case the players would be there. I'm not I'm sure the media will be involved somehow some way that is safe whether that is making sure there is a press conference room set up similar to like You've seen the even. The president. United States is having press conferences with reporters that are spread out. But still the minicamp would happen and then he wouldn't even have that much downtime before training camp start so I wanna see. It's going to be interesting in Ron Springs. Have a really good point the governor Tom Wolfe. Pennsylvania said that coaches this week in You know coaches and teams can start to wrap things up and you know a Cuomo and New York said the same thing about the freshman teams in New York. It's a big step forward for the NFL who's trying to get things back The facilities have been open to a limited number of for of staff members. Non Coaches players can only be there if they are rehabbing So you have like the medical team the medical staff probably some PR. People are in there. Heck I don't even know. If Art Rooney the second is going into the office or Kevin Colbert. He and they might not have to technically be there. Then our coaches they could be. They don't have to so they're moving forward. Who knows what's going to happen but you know what it's GonNa be exciting. It's GONNA be exciting. It's GonNa be exciting no matter what it's going to be different. No matter what and people always confused different with negative different can be different in that can just be as it is so we'll games with no fans be different absolutely will no football with no fans be better than no football. Absolutely I think every single one watching one hundred and fourteen people right now in the live chat or watching live we would all agree that having football even if there's no one there in attendance is better than no football so there you go just a couple of things off the top of my head so what. I WANNA do right now. Hi I'm Ariel spoke of the tech podcast reset and I'm here to tell you about some of the stories. We're following on reset this month about how were adapting to the pandemic with a little help from technology and science like what does teach him look like right. Now I can tell you. There's teachers right now. Who have been conducting their phone calls and check INS with students from random parking. Lots just anywhere that you can get Wifi in for folks who can work from home. How is that working out now? It's my whole life is conducted via this Internet connection depending because even changed what you might think of peppers the home not going to costco and waiting in line for twelve hours standing next to a bunch of other sick people. So if you want to understand the new normal. How Science and technology are shaping the way we live during the pandemic listened to reset subscribe for free on Apple podcasts. Spotify or in your favorite podcast APP later nerds is. I want to open it up to questions questions about the steelers Really whatever whatever's on your mind. Is there a player that you're looking to really see if they can make their imprint on this team? Maybe a player you think's GonNa make a huge step forward in twenty twenty. Maybe it's a player that you hope is still on the teams radar as a free agent or maybe using their done. That's something that Brian and Tony spoke about on Monday. But if you're watching live on youtube and you are in the live chat get those questions. Ready fire away. I'd love to hear what you all think in regards to anything steelers related or if you have questions for me hand my new job or anything like that by all means All right here. We Go Mark Davis. Says I'll put it on the screen. Jeff what is the most memorable moment on this show or this show? The Standard is a standard. That would be a different answer than say the steelers preview the steelers preview with Bryan and Dave and the after party and some of those ridiculous segments. We've had have been crazy but at the same time. The Standard is a standard. I gotta be honest. Some of some of my favorite memories of this show and this is not a cut on anyone that just joined the shell but people like Isaac. He was watching eighty. If he's still watching live would remember those old block. Talk Days when we would take callers and when you hit that button on your screen to take the call unless we had someone that was acting as a producer which by the way was very very rare. You had no idea what you're GONNA get no idea it was I. Would you say all right? Eight seven six five four three zero nine. You're on with Jeff in Lance. Go ahead and you just waited. We've got some really inappropriate. Call sometimes of the Gosh. That was really really really funny Honestly asked me tomorrow night and we'll get the other guys. Take into regards to review gazettes. Just you Brian Davis and Davis Goldfield involved. It's just it can be chaotic It can be funny. It can be inappropriate in. It's all good All right here we go. Let's see who else Nathaniel says? Is it just me or do you feel James? Washington doesn't get enough credit you. It's not just you. I think that I definitely think the James Washington does not get enough credit and what he did last year with two quarterbacks that we can all agree where sub-standard compared to the regular starting quarterback and. That's Ben Rothlisberger. Here's the issue I have with. Washington is James. Washington is going into his third year in the League in. He has yet to prove he has a good rapport with Ben Rothlisberger. That's what scares me. I don't know why I don't know how but everyone can see it with Mason. Rudolph with Evelyn. Hodges it's like they clicked now with Mason. We get it. They were college teammates for four years. That go to guy but how he doesn't have a role he doesn't. There's just something when Dan's under center that needs to change if we WANNA see James Washington blossom or continue to grow in twenty twenty two days. Scofield's as good the past editor. Me Bench. I new Dave. I do not think I could Give it a shot that might crush my kid question Ryan Kellerman says a one to stay healthy and have a pro bowl year. I don't think people can understand. Just how important he is to this team in. This defense is here. You lose J von Hargrave. You can make up for with Steph onto a back healthy that's to be. He is really gotta be big night. Wolf Jeff Do you think the big Al gets resigned or is released as a free agent? I think he stays. He's under contract. I don't think there's any need for them to do anything with him yet. Maybe next year he gets restructured or something like that. He had a bad year. We'll see if he bounces back. We'll see if he bounces back. Ranch S. Jeff do think Sutton plays deep safety third down so fitzpatrick move around. I think if they're smart they utilize him in that deep half in some way shape or form whether that's moving terrell edmonds down almost in that Mark Barron role puts cutback deep. He can do that. He's proven he can. He's a good coverage guy if it is also to take over for Fitzpatrick Fitzpatrick be that quote unquote joker. Then that's fine. That's fine Jerry. Devil says museum can find it He's going to miss the Frank Web comments. That's yeah man. That was good. Those are good a lot of people wishing me. Good luck in. I appreciate all those absolutely Ron. Chess says my favorite show was when he tried to help my Chris L. On My Gosh. I forgot about that. Ron Was Christmas shopping with his wife at Cole's and he said guys helped me and it was. I think it's just myself and Bryan and Brian told him to go do a Bart Simpson and put a Bra. Your head or something and I was like no no no no come on now. I'm getting. I'll be married thirteen years thirteen years in June and The one thing you can do is help. Help help them take out stuff. So they're trying to get other stuff will make the process a lot faster you give your compliments look great. You Look Great. You'll be out of there faster. Trust me Guira says. Did you see James Connery? Looks like he's going to bully teams. I've seen this James Connor before befall on social media last year. He's in great shape. He's in great shape in the we also would happen. I guess to me I'm more excited for Juju. Juju looks like he's actually taking conditioning. Seriously for once Juju if you follow him on social media you're talking about a guy that would just go beserk on eating all sorts of junk and maybe it's my background and fitness. But my gosh. If you're a finely tuned athlete you gotTa put get a treat it as such and it's kind of like if you bought a corvette or a Lamborghini Ferrari whatever sports car you want and you would just go put regular eighty seven gasoline and heck no. You wouldn't do that. You'RE GONNA kill that machine that highly sophisticated machine in these are. These athletes are just that their bodies our finely tuned machines and it looks jujubes finally starting to They're finally starting to getting it. He's getting it and let's hope he has a good year and took the steelers keeping because everyone wants to be down on him for some reason to fumbles again. They were bad he still good wide receiver. Let's not forget that Zach says Jeff ABS so mad at you like your kids Sam not talking to you congrats. I get it I get it I get it I really do I. I don't know what to say but just enjoy it. Let's just enjoy rods as a jeff? Thank you so much for work. I remember when you'll call Neil coolong prior editor left BGSU. I was but will you exceeded my expectations Iraq. Thank you rod. I appreciate that and it was not easy and I think Dave is realizing that I think the Dave is realizing that it's it's a different type of work. It's a different type of busy but going gonNA be just fine. You will not be trust me. It'll just be David Dave David taken over a ship that all you do sit in the seat and drive that sucker period. It's a wealth. It's a Well oiled machine. Just don't take it into an iceberg. And you'll be fine that I left the seat warm for him and he's doing a good job he'll do a great job genus. You think after all the criticism and bad two thousand nineteen season the Mason. Rudolph we ready to step up to the plate. This year of need be well. I think you're asking the wrong person. Based on the fact that I do like Mason Rudolph and I've always said that. I think that he has that look about him. He the charisma. The MOXIE is some people like to say I think that he'll be fine. The question I have is the answer after Ben. I think he's a good backup quarterback. I think that this year and I said this before if Dan goes down for four games can Mason Rudolph when you two or three in. I think the answer is yes especially with that defense but then hangs it up is Mason. Rudolph GonNa be the guy. He reminds me too. Much of a bubby brister. Some of the say yeah. I think we can win with Bobby. Then we can win with bubby Encino. You see bubby like we came with. W So it's going to be interesting personally. I don't like to look that far down the road now with Ben Rothlisberger with two years left. I'm trying to enjoy it trying to take it all in trying to save it. Because Ben Rothlisberger was the guy for me that you know he was. He was the guy that really took my fan on to the next level. You now I was a part of I will. I loved Super Bowl thirty and that was the first time I fell in love with the nineteen ninety-four team actually was loss in the AFC championship game to the chargers at three Rivers Stadium but that Super Bowl thirty team man. I was hooked. They draft Ben and no four holy cow hook line and sinker. I was all in push all those chips in man my wife. Got Me a replica. Rothlisberger that I still have. That has never been washed and I were benders. He I have six others now. I need to get that seven. I need to get that block letters. The block number the throwback from two thousand nineteen. That's what I need to get because I have the caller rush. I had the other throwback I don't have a bumblebee either. I can make that eight but still. It's tough for me to think about life after Ben or even hoping that then goes down this year. Let's fingers crossed fingers crossed. Seven percent. Right Garissa pigs have to fly for the steelers to get to Jamal. Adams. Yes yes. They do Ranch S. Jeff. Thank you forever. Your idea work. Brian had more than one wife. That's why he's referring to me helping with goals. Yes it worked. It does work. I should maybe start another podcast. You know Jeffrey Benedict contributor to the website. I appreciate this commies. It's been a long road from those quote unquote. Jeff is destroying bt. As we used to get I got a lot of those you do. Great Work Jeff Grad. Is You get a chance to take it further? I appreciate that man. My Gosh it is a I. There were times I would tell my wife and I took over the website. I'd say I don't know if I can do this. I don't know if I can do like I don't know if I can actually do this job. Because I would read the comments I would say. Holy Cow Oh my Gosh. These people leave me. I have writers just when I got the job. They said I'm out. What do you mean you mean? You're out how I didn't even know I'm going to run this thing. Whatever to stay and keep it the way it was and it was rough. It was rough. Thankfully people like Jeffrey is is staying on board. Clippers is still a punk is staying on board Tony Deaf then there longer than I have is staying on board and continue to podcasts. Qaeda's to those plays as brings up. Stan Humphries as Romo man having a good show. We're having a great show I think. Bring Up Stan. Humphries come on. That's like saying Neil O'Donnell need to do that Taylor says Jefferson. Howdy Master Philip Rivers. Rv I do know. Philip rivers has nine nine. Five undone done took care of that. Okay no more. He's ridiculous that's ridiculous. That's ridiculous Steeler fan seventy four. That is awesome friend. He's a danger concern on my condition. My last game was good to you. My friend definitely awesome awesome news that gives me chills. Glad glad to get to know you guys at this level so awesome very awesome. Dave from is e everyone. Jeff thank you Dave for she or Grayson Brown the hater. The haters series is deaths wishes and lock on your next level. Jeff Black Gold absolutely. Nothing's going to change that. Nothing's going to change that for sure. Here's The Dallas quickly quickly. I'm sorry says we'll brooks replace Edmunds at strong city. I don't think right away. There's no way you can't do that if you did that. I talked about the damning evidence of Jalen. Samuels being replaced by a guy you picked up off the practice squad. Nineteen how damning would it be that a rookie replaces a first round pick? That would be that that would be by bad Someone asks how can we apply to fill any potential roles a yogurt and talk to Mr Dade Scofield editor of behind the steel curtain? That's Accu Fall. That Jordan says. Do you think the hall of fame game will still be played. I think the answer is yes The only way that that will change in my opinion is if the hall of fame ceremonies get pushback delayed or canceled in which case the NFL will have to make a decision but you know the NFL. And I don't know if this was just happenstance of their infinite wisdom these are two teams the cowboys in the steelers stores are GonNa play each other in two thousand twenty. It's very rare that you have a game against two teams are going. GonNa play each other in the regular season. That is not in week for now. The steelers in panthers have played. That's their traditional week. Four preseason game but the one thing for me when I think about the situation is with the steelers. It's not like that would be anything significant. You're not gonNA see Ben Rothlisberger shooting up in the hall of Fame Game Against Alyssa. It wouldn't be a big deal if they decide to cut it. No one's GONNA lose sleep. You might hear Mike. Tomlin say will we? We WanNA play as much as we can get it. As a coach I get it I really do. But at the same time Yeah so we'll see I think it's GonNa be played. I think it's going to be played sealer. Slave flip will just say flip. He's GonNa keep my day job yes I will be keeping my day job As as much as my day job will have me. I guess when these in these weird circumstances so ago Joshua Shields says. What are you gonNA miss most about behind the curtain to question really good question? I I'd like to break this into two parts The I would be in the written word. That's where I really started was writing for the website There was to me. There was nothing better than being able to sit down. Write a commentary whether it was a letter from the editor or something like that and you realize the reach of the website There are times. Where articles will get picked up and referred and you'll have sometimes twenty thousand people read your article and you think about it home. My Gosh you think about your your shaping you're shaping potentially people's thoughts on the team you write you write a bad article not a bad as in poorly written you write a bag. GotTa Layer. I don't know what's going on. I was just sitting there staring at you the last minutes I apologize. I'll pick up where I left off. I remember exactly I was talking about talking about the overall arch of the the website. And that's been Dave experience early on is that you know we've had players read our articles in comment via twitter direct message to us. Heck we had bud to pre one a fight. One of our writers that happened It wasn't me but one of my writers longer rights for the site Yes Oh you miss the real I'm still GONNA be writing. I'm still going to have a reach. Someone asked him to be able to watch games in the press box. Possibility at after drive to Pittsburgh Depends on how many credentials they get and what that looks like in twenty twenty and Covid Nineteen Eric Cetera. But maybe maybe a training camp if you're on the road I don't know that's a possibility. Now compared to what it was in terms of podcasting I just objective. Enjoyed this. You know. Sometimes he was going on by yourself must be lousy. Sometimes it is live. Chat is a God's end. It really is a Godsend. You get to communicate with people. People get to ask questions people get to say Jeff. You're an idiot that's fine. Everyone's a is not the first or the last time will be called an idiot. I'm is a lot of behind steel curtain like I. I want people to understand that. This decision for me was not easy. It wasn't easy not at all so yeah tough. Decision Zach asks. Who's any deputy editor a Dave's an article on the website l? Dave explained that tomorrow night not gonNA steal his thunder Shaquille assery quitting the youtube thing. Yes have to quit. The Youtube thing is a part of the job and make sure They're going to be fine people. You'll be fine. You'll forget who I am a week guarantee. It FELICIA puts ten dollars in the tip jars. She said I'm going to miss you. Don't like change. You'd better stock us in the live chats the chance that especially Brian's host I liked to I like to get in there and make him laugh and get him all distracted in his adult onset. Adhd get going. It's hysterical all right Year what Game Twenty. Twenty am I most excited for a tough one. A part of me. That's exciting for Thanksgiving night against the Ravens at Heinz Field. But then there's a part of me hates that. I hate having to stay up. You're all bloated and trip to fan filled and you're fallen asleep. I'm really excited about that cowboys game. I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is that cowboys game. I can't stand the cowboys. I can't stand the cowboys period. Oh goodness here we go. Let's see here. Ron Says he's GonNa follow me over. There Decay Pittsburgh Sports. I appreciate that Jared Devil says is the three hundred pull ups tonight or in honor of just departure a anytime. The faithful in the steelers wants to get fit and healthy. I'm onboard for that absolutely Lot of people are saying that I think might be string yard. That is having issues tonight but I'm back. I'm back sorry about the mistake. I'm trying to get caught up. let's see here. What are the questions we have? Ezra says will jeff you can guest appear like Chris Carter. I'll I will come on shows. All Dave has to do is pick up his phone. Ten semi attack messaging. Hey would you like to come on and talk about Blah Blah Blah and say yes? Sure sure yeah outed as long as time permits. Yeah absolutely I did it. They have my number is night. We'll says they have my number Let's see here. Felicia go into that game the steelers and cowboys in Dallas. That'll that'll be. That'll that'll be a good one. I think that's going to be a really good game. I can't stand the cowboys. Nate says he's a nathaniel is most excited for the bills game. That's a Sunday night. Affair up in Buffalo. Absolutely would be a good one Let's see here. Rod Says Jeff. If you get to ask the questions the steelers players please asked some tougher questions in touch. I if I ever get a chance. I'll try to ask. Tough is impossible all right here. We go here I yes I will be back once in a while. I'M NOT GONNA say it's every week or anything like that but again said it a million times. You all will be fine. You all will be fine. Zach is a really good question from Zach. He's zero potential locker room cancer currently on the roster. I WanNa make sure I say something i. I don't think avion bell was ever a locker room cancer. He made a business decision. That impacted the players. Having to answer questions but I don't think he was a locker in cancer. The locker room cancer was none other than Mr Antonio Brown. We know that. If there's there's any player that's like that now I can't think of one look at Deonte. Johnson he's just so young. You don't know no one would have said that. When internal Brown's in year one two or three of his of his rookie deal that he ever would have turned into what became. It's tough to predict those things and fame and fortune can impact a lot of people in a lot of different ways so there you have leashes a ab going to the seahawks. Reportedly seahawks want him. I duNno remember wherever he decides ago. If a team does take a chance on him he's probably going to find himself on the Commissioner's exempt until he goes through the judicial process with a lot of things that he has gone on off the field so even if the seahawks do sign him get him under contract then period. You don't know how long he's going to be gone. 'cause you don't on that process we're GONNA take their yum alright. Ezra the locker the locker room cancer is the injury bug. Yeah that's true. That is true. Absolutely okay any other questions here before we call it. A show didn't want to be too long tonight but I'm by myself Joe McLaughlin says hines ward would have said Ab straight. I think a lot of people on those teams would have said antennae browse trade. It's it's about leadership and a lot of people said Troy Pall. Mall was one of them that that's what this team lacked. So Mark Davis it. Will there be an asterix for this. Your Super Bowl Champ. Unless the season is shortened. I don't see that being an issue and would you put an asterix next to a super bowl championship because there might not have been fans. It's I duNno I duNno keystone says. Are you more excited to see the steelers offense or defense? I'm an offense guy man. I like scoring points. I liked touchdowns. I don't like field goals in. They did too much of the latter last year. I think the defense is GonNa be awesome. I'm excited if Ben Rothlisberger can stay healthy and comeback improved. He is banned that we know big. Dan My gosh is offense. Could be good. They can be really good. They could be really good okay Please read the bears maybe talking about getting. Jj Watt. Why can't we have that option? We'd have no money mean we'd have to trade. I don't know I doubt they would ever let him go to be honest with you. Joseph says do you think Eric Hebron Advance Donald we. Good tight end duo. It depends on how often they run. two tight end sets. They don't really do that too much in history but that can change now they have to actual you know since they have to actual viable options. A TIGHT END. Russ has good luck Jeff. We'll see you on vk with the regular that's right. Ramon foster is writing for Gay Pittsburgh Sports Dot Com. It's pretty cool colleague of mine. Former steeler Ramon foster so that is pretty awesome. So all right we'll call there all right forty five minutes in a good show. My last standard is the standard. So I WANNA finish this up quickly by just saying that again at of all the people to thank the listeners who I should thank the most you all been tremendous. You've been extremely supportive. This youtube channel is has turned into something that is brought more pleasure than pain every single time. I've been on it and I think that the the steelers fans that come to this channel. You guys are awesome. Steelers nation is alive and well. I see that every single time I log in and I've for me. You are the standard and the standard in you. All set standard very high in terms of intelligence. Having in good great. Don't change don't change. You'll be awesome. I'll come back. I'll check in absolutely. Don't forget tomorrow night steelers preview. It'll be fun. It'll be a fun one seriously. It will be a fun one. May She checks us out myself day. Scofield and Brian. Anthony Davis maybe Lance Williams will be stopping in as well. We'll see and take care of each other kind. We'll see next time. Take it easy.

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The Scho Bro Show, Part 2: Can the Steelers afford any changes at cornerback?

Behind the Steel Curtain

30:40 min | 2 months ago

The Scho Bro Show, Part 2: Can the Steelers afford any changes at cornerback?

"And we are back. Pittsburgh steeler fan with part two of the scope rochelle. I am days go. Feel co-editor behind is still current dot com and with me given all the good insight is my big brother rich rich have arts looking for that good insight you talking to me. I didn't hear around. Yeah well we talked about the about the ben rothlisberger news. We're we're we think that's interesting. We wanna see the signing on the dotted line. Make sure everything's good on. We're we're breaking down cornerback. Because i tell you what if they lose these guys. They're trouble a question. I didn't ask you if the steelers. Because we're going to give you this if the steelers were to lose two of the four quarterbacks discussing if they decide to make a cap casualty out of either steven nelson or joe haden and then they can only sign either subtler hilton and they're down to two. Then you got pierre lane. How confident are you for the steelers Replacing their depth at the quarterback position through the nfl draft. Have you listening Rich covered his face with his hands. Let me just as few great words for your Through the years. Let's say what kind of things can we think of. We can think of course recently already burns. can go back further when they've tried to make big splashes in they've been right but never great. I always remember chad. Scott and some of these other guys yeah. We drafted a really great corner since we drafted rod woodson No i mean. I i i see he was mean. Just say serviceable. Excellent above he was above average and had a nice long career. Yes have they really never knew it in the mike tomlin era now now now now so so not a lot of confidence there. So let's let's play devil's advocate. Let's say the steelers can only keep two of those four corners gracious. Which do you keep it. Honestly i really only keep on keeping the two starters keeping the two starters. Okay i'll i'll throw it out a little bit different. I'm gonna keep oh go ahead go ahead because you're going to do what i was gonna do. Go ahead i would. I would keep nelson and sutton. That's where that was my next thing. Where i would go because now this is this is looking at it in hindsight where you don't know when you sign these guys you don't know if you're going to get the other guys are not and everything else. The reason would be the happiest with those two is nelson's got the experience and he's younger than hayden guy and then sutton brings the versatility of playing either inside or outside that you don't get from hilton. I'm not saying that the better to players on your saying they'd be the better to ski. Hold onto because you could be looking more long term you know love joe haden really love joe haden. Every year that the steelers get great. Play joe hayden is fantastic. But as we saw it happens with everybody event. You're gonna get a place get to a place where you don't so and i think joe hayden is closer to that than anyone else strictly. Because he's going to be thirty two. So that's the way i would go. And how concerned would you be about the steelers secondary. If that was the case i would be concerned. Okay so now we we we know we wanna keep all four Now now you get to keep okay. Keep drinking all right if i keep three. I'm going nelson hayden sutton nelson hayden sutton. I'm going to agree with that. What's crazy. Is i wanna keep mike hilton so bad because he does things that are so different and can and can bring bring that. But he's kind of the luxury isn't he. Yes yeah he's a. Wow he's really nice to have. But i would feel more comfortable with the three. Yes because you could go ahead. Keep on 'cause you could play. Yeah 'cause sutton complain inside outside. Hayden hayden plays outside but but maybe he can play inside up. You know. it's a little more versatility between what you can do with those guys and the reason. Yeah breaking news. Breaking news from gary from evgeny crosby. The peg was just one in overtime. It was to go to the third when we went to start the show so they they got the two points at every time. Sorry i was excited about that. I mean you got steelers gotta be excited about the penguins. Sorry about that. So that's okay. yeah. I love my. If someone's gonna pay for my kelton to come in as their slot corner he's got to go to a really specific place it's gonna use him right or he's going to be that free agent bust yup because he's not your typical slots and the worst thing. A team can do is bring him in and try to make him a typical slot slot agreed. Yeah but who's out there that would using right baltimore. Maybe tennessee tennessee. Yeah i could see. Maybe i'm thinking of teams. That would have the right philosophy with it. I mean and honestly you gotta have the safeties you gotta have the over the top for him to be able to do what he does. So that's why. I dropped him to fourth on the list really Because as much as i liked what he brings there. If i feel you can still get that can blitz off the corner now. Will they do it as well as does now. But you know you can play in there. And he and he can bless believe he'd be as good a blitzer as he's not. He's not he's not he's your carpet. He's going to be a better coverage thing hilton is yes so yeah. It's the way it all works together is so great it would. If let's just say this if the steelers keep three and one of them is not mike hilton. Then you're talking about that. That's just you couldn't keep them all and you add to keep what what service allowed you to do. The most if the steelers keep three and one of them is my kilcullen. That tells me. But james pierre is going to be the real deal and they know it. He just needs a little bit of time to get there. That's my opinion. you can let someone else go if you think he's going to be that good. Do you agree Yeah if you think he's going to be the real deal then you can afford to let of other guys go instead. Yes i think you i. I think that's right. I think yeah bottom line is are we with with extended in both of those guys. That's the big question. Do you wanna do you wanna do that. Do you want to tie up. I mean i think not extending steven nelson would be very foolish here. I think he should be home. After ben roethlisberger. When you're talking extensions i would almost put him priority in one when it comes to extensions now some people like well what about. Tj's the i'm not. I'm not talking about that you know. Tj can still play on his fifth year option. They could do his deal next year. Some people think that's foolish like now you could you tag him and sign them and to continue to do that because personally i still think. Ten million dollars for tj is still a steel. You know so and we don't want to forget about justin lane. Someone brought up in life china. Just having to look down and said he'll have a shot this year. yes he will. The thing is is how much you want to have to bank on them so their options but to me. If you're only going to keep here you go. I'm going to blow your mind. Four guys get to keep one keep it one. Yeah i've got it narrowed down to i do too. Yeah and i'm going to go ahead and say steven nelson okay. That's where i lean into. But it'd be really tempting to go with camp sutton because the but if you have other guys that can play outside. I'm really worried about the steelers slot corner position. If they can't keep either hilton or sudden. I mean i i. I don't believe justin. Lane or james. Pierre's built to be that person doesn't mean that they can't an hooton may be the steelers. Have the whole idea of moving. Joe haden there but i don't. I don't think that's a good move to do now with the way hayden's playing on the outside Down right now. I mean if they could keep all these guys i mean they'd be in great shape great shape yet. I said if if kim colbert and marquan could sit down and figure out how to keep all four all four guys at a cap hit. That is no different than the two they currently have for just this one year. I say you do it okay. So you're talking about if you can get all four for a cat hit of. I'm going around it. Wow that's that's within within five thousand dollars for being being right on to a period of thirty thousand dollars. I think that can be done. I think they could come in under that if both both those two extended and bring in the other two with the signing bonuses to start. i think. I think that's doable. I think that's a win. I think that's a win. They do that. It would be to where we're doing the best we can to keep these shows from going crazy in the offseason like we did last week. We just kept going and going and going. Dave got dave got scolded wasn't just me It wasn't just you got. Yeah i know but you know we we. We try to say what we're going to do we. We need to stick with what we're gonna do. You wanna take five minutes in nature just a few questions before we put our question there couple rand does. Let's get a couple of. Yeah let's get some. let's get me about it. Could be about the cornerback. Stuff it could be about. Ben rothlisberger it could be. Let's try to keep it steelers related and we're obviously not going to get to all of them but we'll we'll get to what we can. You can use the super chat. Don't feel like you have your check. It's alright we can just get him out there. This good question already go fast. I'm andrew if jackson could be signed for what we could save by cutting trading nelson or hayden. Should we sign him. Will jackson the third and trade one of our corners for a third And that urban meyer might want aidan from college or something with that connection. Would you be willing to win. Bring in someone. Like a william jackson to me. The only reason i'd make that move as if it's if you're give. You are getting rid of either hater nelson partners and i. I don't know that. I would do that out of familiarity but good question. I don't know that i'd go that route but if the money works you know everything you do has to be there with the with the money. So great question interest for it. I know some people. I'm afraid william jackson's going to be a lot more than that. That's the thing that i think you'd take more. Tom wants to know. He says there's rumors the steelers are targeting former players. That are coming from other teams. Like finney jesse james and other another stuff. I did a thing about kelvin. Beach him right. Not killing beat. You gentlemen sasha free agents. I could see him going back to steelers. You think as other former steelers get cut. You think they're coming. He's gifts jesse. James ends up. A a cap casualty would not surprise me. One bit the see him back the black and gold banking on it. 'cause i yeah exactly and cbj finney give. Her both could be both could end up being cap casualties. But i mean. Bj finney did not play an offensive snap in the nfl last year between seattle and cincinnati. He not play any offensive snaps so very interesting so what would teach signed long-term steal a check if this was pretty simple in my mind the steelers deep. He will play this year on the ten million dollar fifth year option of his rookie deal. The steelers will then put the french franchise tag on him and they will work out An extended contract before that deadline. That's what i bank onto. Is there still the possibility that could do with this off season. Yes there is. But i don't think it has to be done and frankly the only way to do it is if it actually knocks down this year's cap hit because there's so much of a signing bonus spread out over i think only spread it over five years so even if they signed like a six year deal with matter so It would really depend on. There's numbers cre- wants to know. Do the steelers drafted defensive players. Well being having my degree in mathematics the tissot toby. Yes now wouldn't even be shocked if that's their first draft pick inspires me either going to need to add some depth that edge and honestly if the right inside linebackers there to pair with devon bush that would just be like boom like we talk about the linebacker from tulsa that. I don't think collinses his name somebody like that. I could see steelers doing that. And i wouldn't have a problem with it. They're going to add at least two defensive players but remember the steelers are going to add most likely have at least one if not two compensatory draft picks and they're on the verge it's funny because two of the picture so close to each other based on the the the valuation of them. They could lose. Both of them are actually get both of them because one of them is barely in at one of. Them's barely out so It'll be interesting to see. That should be coming up. Here in march You got the next question. Port says if we signed. Jj shouldn't what brothers have to wear thick black glasses and one of the punch myles garrett during warm ups that would be hilarious. Great i love that so And like people saved if. jj goes to cleveland. that's a complete betrayal. so he's not going to cleveland. yeah junior stand this question. Talented better inside. Linebacker officers tackle does it means to draft. I'm not sure we went have to skip over. That one wasn't sure what he meant there. You have my shortage either. So sorry about that tyler. Joseph you can keep one free agent who would it be but you keep regardless of money see to me. It's not it's not even. It's not bud. Because i still big on that cost of a replacement and you have high smith right. They're going same with a lot of other things even with even with juju because you got more wide receivers behind him honestly it. It'd be one of the corner sir me right now. The way. I'm leaning just especially based on what i think their salary would bring Or honestly probably my best tyson aloe aloe by mac. I just really like him and thought he was fantastic this year. Let's do two more. Okay jen so you get one. I'll get one okay so here. We i didn't even read it from todd. He said the steelers draft a quarterback or or possibly is it going to be like jay harris back. Home i don't see them drafting. If you're talking first round pick is what. I'm assuming here if if you're gonna go quarterback go big even with ben roethlisberger supposedly coming back Michael beck. I think as an article that he's working on that says with ben coming back even be a bigger reason to to to maybe. Go get a quarterback this year. If you're going to do it go do it. Make the move. Get the guy. Don't just pick a guy who just happens to be there when you really want was already gone. I'm not big on first running backs. Because i don't see the steelers keeping running back super long term beyond their rookie deals. So i don't know from what i've seen is. There's not a large drop off to a couple of good running backs. It could be there the second. I'm really big on the one guy out of north carolina that could be there and it is what it is. So what do you think rich. I spent too much time on that. Yeah you know. I kind of glazed over looking for another question to take quarterback off the table this year. Do you think it's a possibility. It's still a possibility Probably more likely next year. You're after we're gone like jeff harmon. If you're going go get someone. Go get trae lance. I mean you're not going to be able to go get trevor lawrence. So if you're gonna get someone go get trae lance who didn't play this year because of be in the f. c. s. I think you have one game right that then that gives them a year. Whatever if going to do it do it. But you don't have to do it. I'm gonna take the last question because the superjet work Tyler has by five dollars to join that. Meant to say do we. Draft of offensive tackle. Were inside linebacker. The first round i still. Here's yet tyler. 'cause i need to see what the steelers new right now in terms of who leads who potentially resigns That you know what happens over the next you know. Let's see the free agent period Seventeenth the legal tampering the fifteenth fifteenth breaking officially. Sign the sign on the seventeenth. Yeah we'll within a week or so. After that time things will start to line up a little better and that will be a little easier if you were to ask me my thoughts right now. My thought is a little bit depends on. Who's there. I agree with dave if that perfect inside. Linebacker is there to pair with devon bush over the next few years. I don't see how you could pass on that. Yeah what if one of those great offensive tackles as slid down a little further than you'd expect be kind of tough not to go get that too so if they're both there. Wow you're inside tackle. You thought okay we're gonna. We're going to tackle if they're both. They're a specific tackle. That they thought might not be there for but they really like and is pacific inside linebacker. Thought we would be there that you would be there that you really liked. They're both available. What do you do again. I can't say. I don't know you're you're giving a dave answer. Well do we. Do we have roberts explain. Yeah no we had right but you understand what i'm saying. Yes who's in our inside linebacker through food or up on the room it that works a lot as to what we wanna do. If things are all said and unequal. I mean i watched last year senior bowl looking at the tight end because it was so obvious the steelers we're going to need to draft a tight end now. They didn't. they signed eric. Ebron you know something like that could happen and that could change everything. But if you you've got to go out from now tyler. That's a great question. I'm saying if you go into the going into the draft before the first player's name called. I'm thinking i'm that there's going to be a good offensive. Tackle that's available to me inside linebackers. Just going to be one of those things that the steelers will be doing their due diligence and if it falls in your lap you might just have to say we can't pass it up. I mean remember how upset people were. They drafted juju smith schuster in the second round because we needed a corner so bad but guess what they're like. He was just too good to not there to pass up in that spot and they were right. Some good all right. We need it. We need to get to the big question. We need to get to the big question. So do you have any or as we like to call it. The rapid the rapid fire the rapid fire questions where we throw out one question. I which other and then we will put it in the in the live chat and we will bring your bring up your your midway. You look too quick. I don't have one if you go ahead so we are going to go with this okay. We're i mean. I'm sure we've talked bad lunch. We've just got to do it got to go. Let's go with either or of the two free agent to free agent quarterbacks we've answered already you can only sign wine. I know we would ultimately love the signed both of them. But we're gonna try to get the pulse of the tse live. Chat is if you could only get one. Here comes now in the live chat. We've already answered it. Are you going hilton or sutton. You can only pick one who is gonna be so we already know that you say if you could only do one you would go sudden. That guy rose going he saying sutton so just based on the versatility didn't it. You gotta get cree has hilton. Ezra has hilton. Shaquille has sutton. Kathy has now. We're doing this assuming that both of the other guys were still here. That we still have both eight nelson right. So what would be the other one steeler fan seventy four sutton game is that one must that i is that burner bernie jane and bert do by. The way is in maui. I saw i saw you what you came on and said hey from from maui hawaii so enjoy at that profile picture like they're just not too far from where tar there at heinz field and they say they see sutton donald nolan sets. I know i'm going to skip another's. Go jump on me. Aj says sudden steel dog. Eighty-eight hilton george. Testing hilton was going with the proper spelling. The stylus sidon. We wanna type too fast Steelers pittsburgh says hilton. Just me says sudden. Robert ellison sutton k. sudden better in coverage i agree sends bettering coverage but hilton does add that element that you know have otherwise so therefore he said he was taking sudden. Yeti says sutton chad says sutton todd says hilton. Let's toast media says sutton double lewis skipped on me. I gotta go back and find you got tied him so fast is going crazy. Bubble h says shame. What does this shade by the curtain sudden. Tom says hilton k. So let's see josh. What he say josh says hilton gives lane or draft. Pick your to be room okay. Yeah i think it's here to be groomed personally. Sam says sutton. Andrew wilder says sudden a steeler cheek. Forty six we say her hilton. Okay justin conway says hilton. I think i got donald sutton already. Man this is this is. We're split pretty hard. We reginald says sutton because hilton struggles with his coverage. A dark storm once as sutton though. It's very close Of route where he says. I like hilton more. I get it. Okay tyler w says healton without blitzburgh coming off the blitz. Yep josh smith said hilton. I think we already got him. Then we i love ezra's robertson carry have the the the yeah the twenty-three-year-old rod woodson not the with the goal jacket Yes derwin says. Hilton ryan's sandalls hilton. But because he loves those blitzes. I missed it went away. I skipped again. Awesome stuff thousand eight hundred. I don't know the question but sutton thank you awesome now. A lotta people getting into discussion about which is great. Henry manual says sutton That extra blacks this. It's it's close. It really is an honestly. What sutton and i totally understand. Why some really like hit hilton because they love the. Let's coming off the slot and i don't blame you. I love that blitz coming off the slot. That's why that's why we need. Omar work some money matt. Yeah some some money magic and we find a way to keep all four guys. Most those says sutton for him. Yeah i mean that we need to work the magic and see if you can keep them all. That's the best because honestly that's the answer. I think almost every person chat would say if we gave him that question of. Yes you keep in one. Or both. I was gonna say both get so this is this is crazy this is this is interesting that the situation they're in. I think they can make this work. I think organism. What instead you before we close out the show here anything else. You have here for some closing thoughts before. I give you mine just again. That thanks to folks come through here in the live chat both with questions thoughts on hilton and sutton you all show in what you showed with the hilton sudden question. Make me feel a lot better about being so torn on it myself. 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Let's Ride: The best-case scenarios for the Steelers this off-season

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Let's Ride: The best-case scenarios for the Steelers this off-season

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I should say maybe you're listening in the afternoon. I answer questions in the mail bag. You all have not disappointed once again. I'm so proud so happy to have you onboard but before we get to that thinking about the title for the first segment and as man everyone is so down on the steelers and i get it just so This rebuild is here rebuild this that and the other ben rothlisberger washed up. I could go on and on. I'm an optimistic guy. If you've listened to this podcast for any duration of time you know that. I just by my nature. I'm very optimistic. I always see the glass half full. I always see the bright side of life and even though there are times where it's tough. I always try to be that kinda guy and so even with this podcast. Even with my writing. I tend to be more of a positive person. I'm sorry i'm sorry for being positive out there. In today's day and age there are times where people get mad. If you're a happy guy or your they get mad if you're a positive guide. We'll i'm sorry. If i'm that guy okay but i decided what are the best case scenarios for the steelers this offseason. That's what i wanted to talk about. Everyone's talking about the worst case scenarios and the doomsday prophecies for the pittsburgh steelers. And i said hold the phone pump. The breaks what about the best case scenarios. Everyone's to talk about what could go wrong. But what could go right. What go right that. Maybe this team here me out. Maybe this team could actually contend in twenty twenty. Okay so i. I came down with five things that i think are best case scenarios for the steelers if they wanna contend then. They're all going to happen or could happen. This offseason okay. The first one's going to get people route up right away it. I know it is. I have a good feel for my fan base. I know the people are going to be driving in their car. Or they're going to be tuning in and saying jeff off his rocker again. Someone call for help number one. Is ben rothlisberger returns. I know. I know it's horrible. Ben coming back you don't want to come back. We need to start this reba rebuilding to rip the band aid off. I understand that line of thinking. But ultimately i think that the best case scenario is ben. Rothlisberger can come back and play. I said it before. I'll say it again. Rob burger for the first. Three quarters of the season looked more than adequate to be able to make the throws necessary to still win at the nfl level. I ask myself all the time if he had a running game and if he had an offensive line. That could just do a better job blocking both in pass blocking in run. Blocking couldn't ben rothlisberger even better. Let's also not forget that this offseason last off season ben was getting his elbow ready. That was his one hundred percent focus. I have to get my ready to throw. He had no preseason games. He had a very limited training camp. This is the first offseason now with my luck. He's gonna come out and retire on thursday and this is going to sound like absolute malarkey. But that's just by luck. But if ben roethlisberger can come back i think that's the best case scenario for the steelers twenty twenty one if they have to sign him to a two year extension and that's to take that dead cap it and kind of spread it out. That's fine you gotta do what you gotta do. But i think vacant do that. Get ben back in the fold. It's her best chance of winning. I know that mason rudolph showed improvement. Dwayne haskins might be a it might be just like a hope and a prayer that this guy could pan out but ultimately the best chance for the steelers to win anything in twenty twenty one including just regular season games is if ben rothlisberger returns. I'm just being honest. That's number one number. Two the steelers need to add some veteran players at key positions indicated. They'd just there are certain positions if they could add a veteran free agent. That's not gonna cost them a lot now. I could go through and look at positions and give you players. But that's gonna be too long and honestly i just want to say what positions i felt. They need the veteran. My trust the steelers to find the right player but ultimately these physicians are where. I've really feel like they need to pay attention. Number one is center. And this is the dave. And i talked about on monday where we said we could actually see the steelers triple dipping in center. And what do we mean by that. Well you have. Jc hours restricted free agent. So you keep him in the full pretty much with that tag. So you're going to keep him. That's one you wanna bring in a veteran of some kind at center. Because you don't want to throw a rookie. Not every rookie is marquees pouncey. They can come out of college and just play. Start in the nfl right away. So you wanna get a rookie as well. So you're looking at A draft pick and a veteran. So you're looking at three potential players. Half an hour. A veteran free agent and a rookie. You're really adding depth there at the interior the depth there at center it's needed. It's very very needed. Also running back and there's a lot of folks out there. They're screaming from the top of the rooftops. They want to draft a running back. And i understand that whether it's the clemson running back the alabama running back to north carolina. Running back doesn't matter who you're talking about. There's a lot of people that want the steelers to go running back. Hi i just don't see that being a good course of action with all the other team needs someone to say they can get a a a. I'm not saying like a frank or veteran someone that has experience in the league. That still hasn't tread on the tires. Think like the angela williams when they brought him the angela win debt. Not not lou gehrig blunt no not lagarde punt but the angela williams a came in and he was able to play really good football and he's at the end of his career. That's the type of player if they could find. That would be a great addition to that room. I think you can also add a wide receiver with juju smith. Schuster likely gone in free agency. You're looking at aid ridiculously young even younger than last year. When juju was there any a young wide receiving corps. James washington is the veteran Diontae johnson chase claypool. These players need someone in that locker room. That's been there done that. I know that michael becker. Deputy editor has written articles about players. Like larry fitzgerald. If he's willing to come back. Or danny amendola. I'd be okay with any of them. Give me a reliable receiver. He did bring up emmanuel sanders in article on tuesday. Not sure about that one. Those bridges have been burned. But still i think wide receiver position. They could definitely add tight end. Vance mcdonald retires. Are you going to go into the season with eric. Ebron zach gentry and kevin rader probably not but one of those two guys could fill the blocking tight end. You want someone else. Who's a little bit more of a dual threat. Ebron not a blocker never has been probably never will be but lebron's your pass catcher if you can get a guy that can do both think like heath miller doesn't have to be ridiculously athletic but can still block and can still catch the ball console run routes. Some of them are saying jesse james. I'm not so sure that's the answer but possibly you never know setting a cornerback if you can get a cornerback. Another solid cornerback. Because if you're looking at the potential of losing cam sutton and mike helton getting someone else not. It's not gonna be ridiculously expensive but could also be a good deaf. Peace in case joe haden is gone or joe haden gets hurt or steven nelson gets banged up on not sold on justin lane. And that's that's a known fact for those who've listened to me for the entire season i'm not sold on justin lane so with that said you wanna ads and veteran presence there. So that's number two veteran editions. Let's go to number three. The best case scenario is at the salary cap rises rise from the dead salary cap. There's rumors that the nfl is really waiting to see how these tv deals pan out and if they get what they think they're going to get. There's a chance nods stone. There's a chance that the salary cap would not be at one. Eighty it might be closer to one ninety eight which is what it is right now. If the if the nfl salary cap could stay at one ninety eight the steelers can be just fine. They'll be just fine. They've cleared money with two retirements of donald and pouncey they had some rollover from two thousand and twenty. The figure. they're going to restructure some players. They will be able to manage that. But if that's that could be a best case scenario here folks. I'm not predicting that it's going to happen. This whole podcast is whole segment is based off of the best case scenarios for the steelers. This offseason so number. One was ben coming back number. Two or adding some veteran players a key positions and number three is the salary cap. Doesn't fall but it actually rises or stays the same. We have two more. I would really love to see some players. Take some hometown discounts for the pittsburgh. Steelers the stay in the black and gold. This is not a popular thing to do. But when you're not sure about the salary cap there's one thing that you can kind of bank on and that's players might say well. I could try to risk it and god make is moderated. Stay in pittsburgh for a year to really play. Well and then i could get myself another huge contract. Here's players that. I would be really really interested in the steelers doing their best to try to keep them in pittsburgh but at a really hometown discount or let me just put it this way. A salary cap friendly deal and the the how the steelers do that the steelers like to give them a signing bonus not a lot of money in that first year they like to backload those contracts that they have some salary cap forgiveness in the first year of the contract. Here's some players. I think the steelers should really keep their fingers crossed. Best case scenario if they can get hometown discounts. Everyone zach banner. I've said it before. I'll say it again. Zach banner and chew chor for your tackles. I'm i'm okay with that. And that's assuming alejandro villanueva is going somewhere else either retirement or he's gonna play somewhere else next year matt feiler. I think that matt feiler position flexibility makes him an extremely valuable piece of the puzzle. he can play guard. he can play tackle. He could begin bounce around. So i think he's a better tackled than a guard. But that's just me personally but if you could get him as well now all of a sudden you have a competition tackle. If they're going to bump him back out there. If you're assuming. David decastro is back in kevin. Dotson is going to be the other guard. Then all of a sudden you have banner a core formed filer. Battling it out for right left. Tackle it any way possible but that has to be at the right price because he might get a high price tag. Put on in this offseason. The next summit lumped together because it might not be both but if india one. I'd be happy and it's my killed or cam sutton if they can get one of those two it'd be awesome if they could get both but they get one of those two players to stay in. It's on a team friendly deal then. The steelers defense is going to be just fine if he can get. Both the steelers defense will be great if they can just get one. They'll still be okay. They'll still be fine if they can have one more player at a team friendly deal. It'd be tyson allah walla. Who's a free agent. If they can get him if he says yarmuth the final years of my career. I wanna finish with a team. That really gave me a chance after jacksonville. Kind of threw him to the side. And he kind of he flourished pittsburgh. Let's be honest. He flourished in pittsburgh. Let's see if he would honor this dealers and say i'm gonna play gal two more years team friendly deal. Let's do this. Let's see what we can do. Let's see how good this defense can be if they could get those. Those players zach banner matt feiler hilton or sutton. And i'll do. I'd be a happy man. Heck even get two or three of those. I'd be a happy man in the last one. Get some new coaches in there. A lot of new coaches mainly the offensive line. Adrian clam mainly the offense coordinator matt canada. New coaches new regime new offense best case scenario. They're probably working on it already. They're getting the plan together. They're putting together the process. They're figuring out who they're going to have their figure out who they want figuring out what they need but hopefully best case scenario. These new coaches in these new positions are going to get those pieces of the puzzle. And they're gonna make it look awesome whatever that might look like. I don't know yet. Maybe it's a complete turnaround from what we saw in the frame defeat and era which is throw throw throw throw throw. Maybe it's more of a balanced attack. Maybe it's more of a power running or maybe it's a lot emotions. A lot of deception matt. Canada loves that. I'm not sure what it's going to look like. But i'm just hopeful in a best case scenario. That's what this whole segments about that. These new coaches in new regime. Equal change for the pittsburgh steelers so those five things ben. Coming back veteran additions at key positions. The salary cap rises doesn't fall the rises. You get a hometown discount with some key players. And then you've got this new coaches in the fold ready to make a change. Ready to put their stamp on the nfl and their stamp on the steelers. That's a recipe for success for the steelers. This offseason the best case scenario. Are you now an optimist. Like i m probably not. If you're a pessimist like my brother than you won't it doesn't matter. I could talk to him blue in the face. They're still gonna stink so whatever you think that's fine. We're going to take a quick break when we come back and open up. That mailbag male bay. Got a meal bag. Now that's right stay. Tuned microsoft teams is helping a bicycle company reinvent the way that they work. We make low maintenance bicycles per everyday. Reiner's wants the pandemic hit. We had nobody coming into the showroom so we started doing virtual visits via microsoft teams. Where we'll see two or three. Fold the amount of customers. We used to be able to see all of a sudden. We could open up our showroom to cut around the world. I really think going to set a standard for retail. Moving forward learn more at microsoft dot com slash teams. All right pittsburgh steelers fans welcome back to the segmentation on your host on this wednesday hump. That's ride in. It is mailbag time. Would i put it out this. Every tuesday around midday. I think tuesdays like eleven o'clock. Follow me on twitter. To find out. When i put it out there and it's at j hartman j h rt an underscore. Follow me and i tell them telling every tuesday around noon. And i'd re tweeted on the behind the steel curtain on Twitter feed as well so that we get as many people as we can see because i get the algorithm can be a little tricky at times but still you all responded awesome job my writer die crew. I love you all your great. You're the best fans in the world. were only growing. Keep it up on twitter. Tag me in tweets are re tweet them. Use the hashtag writer dai crew. If anything it makes people wonder what we're talking about that gets more people in it trust me. it's like a biker. gang maybe not like a real biker. Gang maybe it's just like the kids in the tonka of the power wheels or whatever. But i don't know let's get this thing started guerrero says let's say the lions want to trade out of pick number seven both trae lands and just in fields are available. What would be your offer to trade up in. what would you take. Who would you pick so the offer would be. Obviously you're gonna swap one's moving. All the way up to seven is going to be expensive. You might have to give up your to this year. You might have to give up to next year. And maybe there's a player that they're interested in you. Could maybe throw that in. So that's enough to get you up to seven and that's a lot. I'm not sure if i'm comfortable giving up all that by the way but if that's good enough i'm still gonna trae lands over justin field. There's just something about oklahoma. Ohio state. Quarterbacks i just don't like in the nfl level. That includes dwayne haskins for anyone. That's wondering i would take trae lands there. You go. Laurie combat laurie from across the pond. She's imagining ben. Is gone case. Ben roethlisberger is gone. What would you rather do give up. A lot of draft capital for an elite quarterback. Like say to shawn watson or take your time build a really solid roster but with an average quarterback like rudolph so. When was the last time lorry that we've seen an average quarterback win a super bowl. Everyone always goes back to trento for in. Yeah i know that that happened. But typically the teams that win the super bowls have a upper echelon quarterback so whether it's tom brady forty three this year. Whether it's players like russell wilson whether it's players like patrick mahomes. Typically the elite quarterbacks are the ones that are holding the trophy at the end. I would say if ben's gone if you can make a deal to get an elite quarterback and i'm talking about the right one i don't. I'm not entertaining ideas. I said this before for aaron rodgers. He's at the end of his career. Like it or not. He's at the end of his career. But the shawn watson has a ton of years left so for someone like shawn watson to come to pittsburgh holy cow. That would be huge. You already had the defense now. Just be putting the pieces together. The steelers have proven. They can turn something enough. Nothing i would say if it's if it's honestly to win now that's what you do hashtag. She used hashtag writer die crew. Thank you very much hagen. He's had his canada fit and benz off his. I love the way that you put that question. Because that's the honest truth. Dan is back. It's how does he fit into canter's office well. we're not sure. We do know from last season when canada was the offense of coach not the offense coordinator they started to use a lot more of the priests motions and things like that and it really and run pass options. Rothlisberger didn't look comfortable in those sets at all. I have to think that canada's going to have to want it he's gonna wanna get banned under center more. They're gonna run one to run a lot of these motions and these run pass options ben's going to have to get comfortable there but candidates proven if he's proven one thing throughout his career whether we're talking pit maryland. Lsu nc state doesn't matter where he's able to make what they have worked with something he's not a. This is my system. This is how we're going to do it either. You do it or you're gone. That doesn't seem like matt canada's mo at this point in his career so take that for what. It's worth trying to make something work. Try all right. Zips as the center position in this draft is not the deepest in. It's not is there any free agents. Katcher i for the steelers. Well funny that you ask because our good friend prion. Anthony davis has been doing a position by position free agent market watch and he had just done the centers. Here's who he has a top his list than those notable free agent center coming up. Korey lindsey of the green bay packers. He's twenty nine years old. David andrews of the patriots. He's twenty eight austin writer of the kansas city chiefs. Twenty nine ethan. I think it's posing from the seattle is twenty five. He's young ted karras of the dolphins twenty eight. I think that you know those are going to be expensive players especially those who have You know the highest scores you. He has the pf precision rankings. Here lens. lindsay is number one andrews's fourteen Right reader writer for the cheese is twelve Posted is twenty six charissa seventeen and those are all good players. I mean it to be honest with you. I think that the the alex mack is another one that could be end of his career matt scorer from the ravens even kilgore the cheese is another option. So that's brian. Anthony davis hat on his list. Take that for what it's worth. I'm not sure if any of those players are going to be the answer. The leg i said earlier in the show i would want them to bring half an hour back. Get a free agent and then also draft. Someone triple dip at the center position. Tanner myers says. I've been a bit down on our twenty twenty one outlook. Hopefully my podcast in the first segment helps you. He's tried to think positively here. Like you're thinking already. Tanner what positions do you think. The steelers can improve on from last year through eighth through free agency losses free agency pickups. Whatever that looks like in the draft and thinking possibly running back offense to tackle inside linebacker depth so i think they're going to lose the majority of their free agents. Let me get that out of the way right off the bat. But i do think like i said in the first segment that there are some positions. They could add veteran players center running back wide receiver tight end. Cornerback like that in the draft though. That's where i'm looking for them to add a linebacker an edge rusher center tackle even a flexible guard players versatile on the offensive line this steelers team one get a positive outlook if they can get players like banner back you gotta core forty got dots and you got to cash if you can just finest center. That offense is still going to be pretty solid. I really do think that. And then the defense. Yeah they might miss someone like all awalu hilton or sutton might be gone. But they're going to be pretty good to let's not that that's not throw up. A white flag of surrender yet folks. Let's keep that in mind paul. Ask if it's not the steelers who are the top three teams. Jj watt cajoling. And why and he says hashtag writer dai crew. Thank you paul. I got to think green bay. Just being the wisconsin connection in their contender. I think that's important to. Jj watt wants to play for a contender. Green bay is definitely going to be enticing. I think tampa bay is gonna be enticing. They're going to have some space. They could definitely adam he could be on a super bowl contender just like that and then the third team. I'll go and say someone like the buffalo bills or even the new england patriots could make run at them too. And when you look good buffalo. That's another contender. I can't stress enough. That jj watt at his stage at the stage. He's in his career. He hasn't he's not really playing for money anymore. He wants to play for a winner. And if he's not gonna play for a winner he probably wants to play with his brothers. And that's why the steelers continued to be at the top of the vegas odds for the team to sign. Jj watt. i still do think he's won three defensive player of the year awards. He's been all pro bunch of times pro bowl whenever he needs a super bowl into because of that with paul. I'm going to say to. Those are the three teams i would suggest for. Jj watt that he could join. And that's why all right. Let's go to the next question by reggie's how. Jj watt fit in the steelers. Defense your asking questions about. Jj watt and. that's fine. Jeffrey benedict article. I think every end. Tuesday morning if not as monday morning. I'm sorry monday morning and it was an entire film room about. Jj watt with his position. Versatility he can play on the edge. He in the interior would be the perfect weapon for the steelers. Because if you lose someone like all the wallow he can even play in a three four scheme on the interior and then if you need them to kind of flex out on the edge. He could do that to replace his brother to replace alex smith. The guy can literally play all along the front seven. And so when you have someone with that much versatility and year desperately needing depth along that all those positions really. He'd be a great fit for the steelers but he'd probably be a great fit for every team to be honest. Atrocious penguin says hearing talks have cap coming much higher than expected that being said. If you could bring to free ages back on a decent price tag who would they be I do think the banner is going to be coming back. I think it's going to be on the cheap. There's a report from. Marco bali who is an article that he wrote the banner said that he's gonna gamble on himself again. That tells me he's gonna take a really cheap deal to stay in pittsburgh for at least one more year. Maybe even two. So if i had to pick two others. It's hilton and sudden if you can keep mike hilton if you can keep cam sutton reason decent price tag. That's who i'm picking because of you can keep those two in the secondary. Your defense is going to be tremendous once again and if the steelers are gonna win. They're going to need the defense to be the very best that it can be in. Nats would would take that those players hilton and sudden. Jeremy bet says if you're mad canada. Do you want ben rothlisberger to return. I don't envision him being able to run. The type of canada wants to unleash. That's a great question. Jeremy i think that if you're if you're mad canada there's no way you say you don't want a future hall of fame quarterback to be on your roster that that's just a very simple way to put it but at the same time he has to be wondering. Is ben going to be willing or able to run the system. That i want. And if there's anyone that would know the answer and this is something. I talked about before on these podcasts. At if anyone would know that it's mad canada. Who was a quarterbacks coach. Last season with ben roethlisberger so he saw firsthand is rothlisberger able is rothlisberger willing to try something new to get out of his comfort zone and he would know better than anyone whether that's a possibility or not so i'm going to say that matt canada's does want him to come back because he wants to have a successful offense and he gives them the best chance for that to happen so that's my answer l. torino. He's always contributing to the mail bag. Thank you much due to reno. He's veteran leadership a big deal. Moving forward i mean. Should the steelers go after a veteran wide receiver in free agency to be sort of the adult in the room. And we'll big. Ben really be important to develop an eventual young quarterback or mentorship was never his style. Anyways hashtag writer died crew. Thank you very much due to reno. I'm gonna talk and this is not a cop by the way. I'm gonna talk at length about leadership on the steelers on friday little teaser. There check out the show on friday morning but ultimately think they should look at positions like wide receiver to to bring in veteran. Because sometimes you need that leadership leadership. Everyone thinks it in the nfl leadership and coaching no matter. I cannot disagree more. I think it does matter. I think it matters in a big way. Imminent talk about that more talk about been. His leadership is well on friday. Show so do the reno. I know you're going to check it out but make sure you check out friday for more much more in depth. Answer to your question. Justin says a question for tomorrow's podcast. I love listening to you. The best dealers updates thank you very much. Hashtag die crew for life. My question is i know you love trey lands. But i have watched him. He is nowhere near zack. Wilson if steelers are going to trade up wine offers act i. I don't think the steelers are going to be willing to trade all the way up to get zach. Zach wilson. i think is going to be. Maybe the second quarterback off the board. His his stock is rising rapidly. Now if he drops that's different. I like zack wilson. I think that he is a really good prospect trae. Lance is raw. He's young and i said it a bunch of times. The key to having trae lands would be to having been roth comeback. This season he wouldn't be forced into playing this year. Unless there were several injuries he would get to watch he would get to learn and then in two thousand and twenty two when everyone else has gone. It's his show ends it. That's why i i said land. I felt that if trae lancet. There's a quarterback that could fall. It's the quarterback that's young. It's a quarterback that's raw. It's a quarterback that's inexperienced and only played one game in twenty twenty and so if he falls back to those ten eleven twelve range of steelers can say. Let's make a move but i don't think they're going to be willing or able to make the move all the way up to get zach wilson. That's the biggest thing i do like. Trae lands as a prospect. But there's a lot of reasons for that not just the fact that he can run and throw in all that. I hope that makes sense. Okay the last question which makes me laugh so hard. I literally when i saw this. I was previewing these questions. Before i started this show and went on the air and this goes i. I hope that this is this is from again. The steelers preview podcast myself days. Go field and brian anthony davis and we've been doing the show for years now and for some reason. I don't even know how. God brought a brian. Anthony davis he brought up the name of a former player His name was actually dick shiner now. I'm extremely immature. I am. I teach middle school. Kids i have and people i say. All you're such a saint. And i say no i have. The same personality is them. Because i think that that's funny. I think that that name is funny. And so whenever the the we'll do trivia every thursday night on the steelers preview. Podcasts makes you check it out. Live on youtube and though ask a question day off the wall questions about these players and i almost always go with the answer of dick shiner. I know it's not dick shiner. I think it's funny to say dick shiner. So i'm hoping that whoever has this account created this because of those jokes that we've been saying for years so this is from dick shiners burner account. He says i'm replying from the burner. D you have a dick shiner jersey in the answer to that. Dick is no do not have a dish your jersey a but maybe laugh and i opened made you laugh wherever you are the fact that someone is creative enough and funny enough to create a twitter account labeled dick shiners burner account. So there you go. I hope you enjoyed this mailbag as much as i did. I thank you for listening Make sure the checkout behind the steel curtain dot com should be your one stop shop for all things pittsburgh steelers wherever you get your podcasters steelers or behind the curtain subscribed. Follow whatever you have to do so you don't miss a thing. What better way to end the show with dick shiner talk. I mean we're talking about dick shiner. All right all right folks have a great day. I'll see you back here on. Friday has always finish out declining. God bless those deal bernie morning.

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Let's Ride: Why the Steelers draft class is for now, not later

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Let's Ride: Why the Steelers draft class is for now, not later

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But let's talk about this draft class. The headline the title of this show is why the steelers draft class is for now not later and this might sound a little bit off. The wall. People might be listening to saying jeff. I don't know if you got that right. Did you read that correctly. Why the steelers draft class is for now not later. Maybe that's a little deceiving when you hear my overall thoughts on this so hear me out before you go ahead and judge so when you look at the nfl draft used to have a slogan net. Is that the future is now. We have these images that we use for certain articles behind the steel curtain dot com. Where it's from the drafts of past and it says the future is now boy. Is that correct. The future is now because when people need understand about the nfl draft. Yes you are drafting for the future but if you think for a second that you're drafting for anything more than that specific year you are crazy a you literally. Don't pay attention and it might just be because you kind of fall into these lulls fans follow these laws. Where they're thinking about okay. I'm thinking about three years down the road. I'm not sure why you are. Nfl teams. Don't they're worried about right now. They're worried about this season when they pick mainly in the first three rounds they're expecting players they can help them right now. Not three years down the road right. Now if they draft a player that's quality. He's going to help them out for the next four plus years but the draft slogan the future is now is very poignant. I think that when you plan for you still do plan for the future. I don't want people to think that. I'm getting my messages crossed. You you do plan for the future. But unless you're someone like the jacksonville. Jaguars in their incomplete rebuild mode. I mean completely rebuilding tear down. Build it back up then unless you're a team like that you're drafting for now. Don't worry about the future it'll take care of itself. You're drafting for right now. So what i did is. I went back and i looked at the last four draught classes. That includes this twenty twenty one draft. And i just broke it down looking at players. I think you would consider their now picks and then there's future picks and what that means is that there's players that they're expected to be able to contribute now and then there's players that are looking at okay. You're just supposed to contribute in the future and again you might look at some of these picks in the future and say well wait a second. There's on the team that's fine. That's great they're doing their job. They also you might look and say well. Why would they make this pick. It might be filled the spot of someone that didn't pan out that that was drafted before them. So let's do this the right way. Let's start in two thousand eighteen k two thousand eighteen in the first round the steelers take terrell edmonds. Then they go with james washington. Mason rudolph chook sikora for marcus allen jalen samuels and joshua frazier defensive. Tackle out of alabama. No longer team. Everyone else is still a member of the steelers. When you look at that draft class you can see that. The top two picks edmonds in washington. Were now picks. They were picks that were supposed to be able to help out right now. Edmonds was a again. I'm not saying that when they drafted trump is expected him to start right away. They didn't expect him to start. Right away morgan. Burnett could stay healthy and he was forced to start in. It didn't didn't hurt him. It didn't hurt him at all. he's still a member of team. James washington. I don't know if anyone expected in the come in in just be a superstar but they expected to contribute and he did in his i. It wasn't a big contribution because that was the year the end antonio brown was still around but still james washington did contribute some as a rookie. Everyone else though future picks it. They're looking at okay. Can we get these players to contribute at some point down the road and when you look at it they have mason. Rudolph has played szucs a core for the starting tackle right now. Marcus allen saw significant playing time last season when devon bush was heard jalen samuels has had his moments. Those are good pigs because they are future picks that have panned out. So let's go to the two thousand and nineteen. Nfl draft in two thousand and nineteen. This is when they traded up for devon bush in the third round. They take diontae johnson. Justin lane they get benny snell. Zach gentry sutton. Smith isaiah bugs yuji. Three let's go third endure when gray. That was a huge does a lot of draft picks in that draft and they even traded some away so again look at these devin bush. You trade up to to pick number ten yes. He's a now pick. You're expecting to come in and play right away. He did deontay johnson. I would even say that. He was a now pick. They expected him to come in and contribute in some way and he did whether it's special teams or as a wide receiver. Everyone else in that class would be considered a future. Pick someone that they're like. Okay kinda project. It's going to take some time. We're going to go away and we're going to figure out if we can get them a spot. Justin lane still looking for his shot might be getting this year. Benny snell never really panned out. He's still on the team. He doesn't seem like he's any more than a backup. Zach gentry got hurt last year. He missed all of them all the season with a knee injury. Who knows if he's even going to make the team this year after they take pat farm in the first in the second round of twenty twenty one sudden smith. Everyone had huge hopes for sutton. Smith doesn't even make the team gets cut. Isaiah bugs he might be on the bubble now after the steelers trade into the fifth round and take isaiah louder milk. We'll talk about him in a second but he was as a player that is still contributed in some way shape or form since he's been drafted yuji. Three can't stay healthy. He has all the potential and promise in the robot. He can't stay healthy and derwin gray. Who was a cast off. Pick no one thought he would do anything. Spent some time on the practice squad played. They had to cut him due to moving some pieces on the roster he up getting picked up. He's actually on an nfl roster. I think the last. I heard he was in cincinnati. Maybe i could be wrong but derwin gray is still in the nfl. And so you had devon bush. Diontae johnson were now picks. And everyone else future picks. So let's go to last season. Twenty twenty that was only a really small draft class only six players. When you look at you chase claypool. Alex highsmith kevin dotson. Anthony mcfarland antoine brooks in carlos davis claypool and highest smith and dotson. I don't think that when the pig was. Let me rephrase that claypool highsmith were now picks when the pigs were made. I don't think anyone thought kevin dotson was going to do what he did. I didn't i absolutely. Didn't i saw him a. He's a future pick. That could maybe fill in for. Ramon foster could maybe fill in for a. We knew the going to flex to guard before last season. But maybe to castro's future replacement he was a future guy claiborne. Highsmith were expected to contribute whether a special teams. I think we all thought claypool had a spot on the offense and he proved that he was worthy of that spot. Then you've mcfarland brooks davis. They all made the team. They're all still on the team. They were future. Picks looking back at it now. You kid kevin johnson and you say well he's actually pick. Because i think that there are some i'm not saying i'm one of these people that thought that he was maybe the best offensive lineman they had. It was a small sample size. The steelers really didn't trust him out there and big moments but still he was consistent. He was a very consistent player. In hindsight he definitely could be considered a now. Tick not a future bit but when the pick happened. I think it was a future pick. So let's look at this year's draft class the class is still so fresh in remind nine players selected and let's see who could be considered now picks and then picks ever more for the future picks that we are expecting them to come in and play significant snaps in some way shape or form for the steelers this season. That's the definition of a now pack compared to those that were looking at maybe inactive on game day. Maybe they don't make the team. Maybe they are someone that you're looking at and saying this guy maybe can contribute somewhere down the road. So let's start. Nause harris pat fryer kendrick. Green those your top. Three picks dan more buddy johnson. Isaiah louder milk quincy rochet trae norwood and pressley harvard. So let's talk about now. Picks who out of the nine would fall into the now category. We'll nashi here is number one. Yes he's a now pick. I'm not saying that he's going to be well. I think he will be. I'm not going to predict it. But i think he will be the three down bell belco back for the steelers but if they designed to spell him with benny snell only in the season sprinklings anthony mcfarland maybe sees jalen samuels as an h back with matt canada. Because he's familiar with that scheme. I wouldn't i wouldn't be shocked but i think that nauseous is going to very large role in this team. In this offense and twenty twenty one. Pratt pat fryer. M- youth frothy meath from penn state. Second round pick. He's a now pick as well clearly. They weren't happy with eric ebron. Advance mcdonagh retires. So zach entry. Nope he's not the answer Kevin reiter no probably not and they didn't go out and get a free agent tight end. Someone like jesse. James will still out there tyler. I for those being tossed around that. They were rumored to the steelers or anything like that but there was a gaping hole a tight end so they take meet in the second round. He feels that whole. That also means that he's going to be a now pick in a big way barring injury barring him not being able to block the nfl level knob being able to understand concepts at the nfl level but he played at penn state. That's a big time kalija program. I have no doubt that he's going to be able to come in and contribute as a rookie he's in albuque- he is a now pick now gets a little dicey kendrick green. Is he a center. Is he a guard. He did not play center that much in college. I didn't realize this until our own Cliff is still a punk. Or kevin smith have ever gov. He's one of our film. Guys are behind the steel curtain dot com. He did the breakdown on green. And i read it. And i'm looking at the film that he put in there and he's he all the video showed a only very few. I think he only played center in four games so thanks. Yeah he's center. That's going to be the center. Do we really know that or is he. Maybe a backup center in can flex to guard and they want to address center. Maybe next year he gives them options but he announced pickers future brick. I think he's a now pick. I think he's a now pick because they might need him more ways than one. We'll put it that way. David decastro struggles or if he gets hurt. Maybe he's the guard maybe he's the first guy in. I don't think it's joe hague. He's more of a tackle guy. I know they said he can flex the guard. I'm not try by that has our. Bj finney well. You'd have to make a decision if someone gets hurt. A guard are you to move. Bj finney to guard input kendrick. Green at center is kendra. Green gonna win the center job outright. These are questions. Kendrick green now gives them some versatility. I'm not sold on jaycee dugard center make that very clear. I've made that clear before he added you bang attention just not a big jc our fan. So i think the kendra greens and now pick. He was picked to help out this season. Twenty twenty one. Is there anyone else. Because now we get into day three picks there anyone in day three that i view as a now pick. There's only one there's only one and that's presley harvard. My my boy. Big press. Because i think that he can not only beat out jordan very he can be the punter for the long term and he can do that now. Specialist kickers longs of only the steelers draft a long snapper in the six round. And that's my boy call and jojoba but still presley. Harvard should be able to beat out jordan berry. And if he does he'll be the punter he'll be the punter you only keep one so yes absolutely. He's a now pick if they give big f because we know jordan varies a weasel. And when he when you have a weasel he'll find his way back he did it. Last week last year with colquitt he could do it again with harbin but if i e r presley harbin burs if presley harbin beats out jordan varied. And there's no doubt in my mind that he will be announced picks that leaves dan more offensive. Tackle buddy johnson. Great article ran yesterday on behind his current dot com film. Breakdown of buddy johnson. I highly recommended to anyone. That loves that type of subs to see what you got with. Buddy johnson you need to check out that article that was written by kevin smith. He really breaks down how he could be the future inside linebacker next to devin bush. And it'd be those two and they're very athletic. That's a good thing. Isaiah louder milk. I don't think anyone in their right mind believes that he's a now pick Quincy rochet could contribute on special teams. But if you go back and look at all these other players. Whether it's benny snell whether it's jalen samuels marcus allen whether it's your antwon brooks it's not that these players didn't contribute as rookies. It said they weren't expected to be significant players on the on the roster. I hope that makes sense. I do think once he might see some time at outside linebacker. I do think that he's gonna play special teams. But i don't think they're going to count on him. Barring injury i agree the same with trae norwood future pick. He's versatile he is what mike tomlin called a swiss army knife in the secondary. He can play safety. He can play cornerback and so they're gonna utilize him in some way shape or form. No doubt about it. So you look at traynor would and that makes more johnson. Louder milkshake norwood. All future picks for the steelers they will contribute in some way shape or form but their future picks and this is kind of. Let's bring it all the way back around. I hope that everyone understands that when you look at the nfl draft a lot of people say well. This player could be good in a few years. The history shows that not necessarily always feasible. So look at two thousand and nineteen draft. Benny snell hey. This guy could be good in a few years. What they do in two thousand twenty one they just running back. They just took a running back and now. You're looking at benny snell playing out his rookie contract and he'll be going elsewhere. I really really doubt that. He'll stay in pittsburgh And then you look at other positions where you have players that were drafted in then a year later. They took another player the same position. Look at isaiah bugs. Isaiah bugs was a ads trying to find it here. I lost it. He was he was in the later rounds. I think he was a sixth round draft. Pick out of alabama and. You're like okay bugs. He had a lot of sacks for the crimson tide could he possibly be a guy that develops in the future and he's a big time player. You think that at the time and then what do they do. They trade into the fifth round of the twenty twenty one. nfl draft. They give up a twenty twenty two fourth round. Pick to get isaiah louder milk outta wisconsin's please tell me how that actually works. Bugs or mondo or carlos davis who was a seventh round. Pick and twenty twenty. They could be off the roster this year because of that so we love to say with the future pick. This could be good in a few years until they draft. Someone that they think is better. That's just the way the nfl draft is now. You don't have the luxury of waiting around six or seven years till you just can't do that. They've got to be. Nfl ready they've got to be nfl ready. And that's one of the reasons. Why the steelers do focus on mainly the power five schools because they are the most. Nfl ready players coming into the draft. You look at last this number one graphic nashi harris. If you watched the road to the pros documentaries he talked about how he had with teams and they were asking him questions about protections and things like that and he kept on telling these coaches guys. I went to alabama. I know all this stuff. I might call it a different thing. For instance you might call a left. Blogging for instance as a pass blocker as running back. If he has to slide to the left. You might call it lucy. He might have called it lefty. It's the same thing. It's just different terminology because alabama's like the nfl team just collegiate level may run the same principles. Same type of offense in. That's why those players are coveted in the nfl. So don't fool yourself the. Nfl draft is not for the future. The future is now meaning. Who can help me right now. Especially for a team like the steelers. The steelers aren't messing around. They wanna win right now and they wanna find players that can help them win right now and that's the case every single year. I hope that made sense in the second half. It's going to get a little feisty going to warn you it's going to get a little feisty we've got some talk about some big al comments and we're gonna talk about some of these we'll be right back support for this episode comes from locker room the app. That's changing the way we talk. Sports locker room as a sports fans dream come true. It's a live audio platform that lets you connect with other fans experts. And even the athletes themselves locker room makes it easy to start your own conversations. Talk about the latest rumors takes news and teams you care about most join massive watch parties for all of your friends to react together in real time as you celebrate buzzer beater or suffer the agony of a crucial bricks. Free throw. and if you've got a bunch of supremely spicy takes you like to fire off during luck you can even record the conversations if you want and released them as a podcast to. It's time to start thinking about catchy. Titles it's all totally free and available at the. Irs store right now so go. Download it today. Locker room changing the way we talk sports. All right pittsburgh zula fans welcome back to the second segment of let's ride. I'm your host. Jeff harbin here for the second segment of this monday wednesday friday. Podcast every monday. Wednesday and friday at five o'clock eastern time is when this goes out and the co editor roberta steel curtain dot com. You didn't know that by now but still. We have a lot to talk about still to finish out this friday show. I hope you have a great weekend planned by the way it's for me. It's a rest and recover weekend after last weekend. The nfl draft is so long and grueling for people who cover a team. I don't care if you're a blogger that gets paid. I don't care if you run a website. Like i do or if you are a credited writer from some newspaper i don't care it's a long weekend so this is a restaurant. Recover weekend for me but the news on wednesday was interesting. We'll put it that way. Big our one hundred villain wave. I was asked about this in my tuesday mailbag segment and that was. What do you think about villanueva. Going to the ravens. Is it something we should be concerned with. Is this something that is you know we're looking at is does the steelers have an advantage knowing alejandro villanueva and i answered the question and i was honest about it but then he has his first press conference with the ravens and the media. They're you know they're going to ask him a lot about the steelers you know. They're going to ask him about the military because the baltimore media contingent hasn't had the chance to really ask him these questions. Now there are some that. Cover like for instance. Espn writers nfl network people. They've covered him at all wherever he's been because they might cover the entire. Afc north but there were so comments that were made by villanueva. That i was kind of. Wow i can't believe that you know. I can't believe he said that but at the same time. Let me explain i. He was asked about why he came to baltimore. Why did he choose baltimore. Well the first thing he says that the steelers made it very clear once the season was over that they did not have an interest in bringing him back. I found that interesting. I feel like that was the situation. Maybe where they said. Hey we can't offer you as much as some of these other teams are so you have the green light to go look and maybe we can bring you back. But it's not gonna be for what you're expecting the starting left tackle and we're not probably going to promise you that you would start either it so he's probably looking at the writing on the wall saying i don't wanna come back to this situation. I wanna play. I've been started here. Ever since i got that job as a starter i i wanna play in. So the steelers were never an option. But why did he go to the ravens. Here's what he said. Quote the fact that i knew the ravens is a team that plays hard a team that plays afc north type football. And i get a chance to play the steelers as well with something that motivated me coming here for shore. Oh oh okay all right. I my ears perked up a little bit. My ears perked up a little bit. He little shots fired there at the steelers meaning. He knew he was going to get a shot at the team that maybe he felt that they kind of turned their back on him. Maybe he felt today. He was still playing at a high level and they didn't value him. Let's forget about the fact that the salary cap dipped and you really couldn't pay a left tackle starting left tackle money but that's neither here nor there. Then all of a sudden yeah. He was asked about his time in the service why he left the military But then more red flags went up when villanueva's asked about run blocking because he didn't do a ton of that in pittsburgh let's be honest. He was more of a pass blocker in. He's still good at pass blocking. Here's what he says. I'm assuming it's not as much fun. Running the ball for the receivers because they're not getting all the catches they're making the tiktok in there having fun on their social media and shots fired. Everybody shots are fired. Right across the dow. If you're the steelers if you're someone like juju smith schuster chase claypool eric. Ebron you're saying he says what he said what. Oh my gosh now zach. Banner kinda tried to calm down the fan base a little bit and said al is living in your heads rent-free right now l. o. L. e. o. g. Already i wish him. Well congrats on a great career in the steel city. That's great jack. Thanks thanks we can think for ourselves. We can think for ourselves and then he got jerry of the pittsburgh post gazette anne. Here's a war veteran. Who is of decorated war veteran. Who goes to a new team and says these things and people just turned their back on. It speaks volumes about the fan base. Well you know what jerry you know what jerry. I got a couple of comments for you. And i've got a couple comments for our one hundred villanueva allah hundred villanueva. I still don't hate you man because you're with a new team. You gotta say what you're supposed to say. Did i think you were going to say that. No did i think he would just tell the company line say. Hey i'm not gonna talk about pittsburgh i'm just gonna focus on my time in baltimore. I'm gonna try to make the ravens the best team that they can be did. I think that's what you're gonna say. Yes you chose not to go that route. Guess what you also did. You gave the steelers some bulletin board material so when the steelers play the ravens. Guess what's going to be in your face. A bunch of microphones. You're going to answer some questions. And you're going to have a motivated steelers team to go out there and shut you up. T. j. watt will be ready to shut you up period. That that's is how it's gonna work out that's how it's gonna work out. But then jerry dulack his comment on twitter. I mean i want to read it verbatim. I wanna give jerry the benefit of that here okay. So here's a dulack. Says he says all of a sudden who served three tours of duty in afghanistan and stands up for his is a villain in bad guy because fans think he took a few folks at their beloved football team. That's all you need to know about some fans. Well jerry gerbera. Let me explain this to you. And i said this on twitter you can follow me on twitter at j. h. Ertms underscore pat. I said let me make something very clear. I've said this before. I'll say it again. I'll probably upstate a million other times in that is i root for the pittsburgh steelers. I do not root for individual players. Do i hope those players succeed. Yes why because they're steelers because they are pittsburgh steelers if they leave or when they leave they are no longer steelers. Therefore i do not care i guarantee you. Mike tomlin if he was as it. What do you think about big al hundred illinois waves comments. I don't care. He's on a member of my team anymore. I appreciate the work that he is here but he's not here anymore. So i'm not saying he's dead to me but in 'cause i still do appreciate what he did for the country. I appreciate the worst stadium for the steelers he was very good very serviceable left. Tackle not take anything away from him. But i'm not going to sit here as a steeler fan and say oh okay well whatever. It really doesn't matter because big our hundred villanueva can say whatever he wants. He can see what everyone's i root for the steelers. I don't root for individual players. Do i have players that. I enjoy watching absolutely everyone. That's listening to me. There's a big ben roethlisberger fan. I've always liked rothlisberger since he was drafted in two thousand and four but at the same time if rothlisburger were to leave. I don't know let's say he goes to the houston. Texans i literally just put a name out of a hat in my head. He goes to the houston texans next year and finished his career. Houston am i going to root for the texans. No no. i'm not. If ben talk. Bad about kevin colbert and mike tomlin. Am i gonna care. No am i going to have to write the story. Yes but am i gonna care. No i'm not gonna care. I really don't care big. Al can say whatever he wants like. I said earlier he has to. He's in news city really since he came into the nfl. He was with philly for a cup of coffee as defensive lineman and then pittsburgh picks them up and turns into a left tackle. He's been in pittsburgh ever since and so. He's in a new city with new expectations. He's going to say things that maybe rub his former team the wrong way. I don't blame him. I don't blame him for because he's got to try to find his niche with this new team and he's gonna talk about running the ball more he might take some jabs whatever. Whatever i'm a fan of the steelers not individual players. If the. I don't know how to make that more clear. I really don't so that's all i want to say about that. That's all i want to say. I wanted to get that off my chest. I'm a steelers fan. I don't root for individual players. I root for players succeed because they help the steelers. Make sure we know that all right. Let's have a little heart heart. Finish out the show so didn't article. When i talked about this extensively on my podcast on wednesday i comparing najah harris the lady on bell. I said in the article i said it in the podcast and some people in this is one thing that i cannot stand about social media. If you're going to comment on something whether it's a tweet whether it's an article whether it's a podcast whether it's video. I don't care what it is. Please for the love of all things holy read. Watch or listen before you comment. I know for a fact there were people that commented on my article. Comparing nausea harris lady on bell didn't read a word all they did was read the headline and this is not new. This is not new. This is the age of social media. I get it but they read the headline and said oh. My gosh nauseous is just the next nauseam. You need me. He'd go compare them to bell. I have i have a saying about. I've come in about that does that but we're just letting himself shut up already. Read the article. Listen to the podcast. I sit in the podcast. I'm not comparing him to the person a not comparing him to anything. He did off the field. Whether was the marijuana is situation. The holdouts everything. I'm not comparing him to edit all. I'm comparing him as a player. That's it in the article. I said at the very top of the article. I'm not comparing him to the person off the field. I'm not saying he's gonna go and have a horrible crappy rapping career. I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that as a player. That's what i'm comparing him to in as a player when on bells in his prime you should be one hundred percent okay with najji harris. Maybe being on bell two point l. But the people say oh. Najji is the next night nausea. Look at what you're saying. You sound like an idiot and this is actually stuff that i deal with on social media. Don't be an idiot. okay have an open mind. Be able to read something and if you don't agree with then let's talk about it. But there were so many people on social media and in the comments behind the curtain dot com. That made these comments about the article. And you could just tell. They didn't look through everything they didn't see the comparisons of the times in the hot. This is the stature the highlights in the stats from college. I didn't look at it. And i said it blatantly on every single platform this is not about off the field stuff and yet here we have these morons still commenting about off the field stuff so i want to get that off my chest. If you're going to comment on something at least do the person that product provide produce the content whether it's written audio visual doesn't matter do them the service of actually watching listening or reading. That's all i gotta say that's art gotta to say 'cause if you don't do it then don't comment it's that simple and that's on anything really it is. It's on anything all right. I got a lot of my chest in this show. I hope you appreciate it. I had fun. i hope you did too. We had a weekend coming up. Will there be steelers news. I don't know but if there is. I'll be back on monday to talk about. Just that and i hope that you make behind the curtain dot com your one stop shop for all things pittsburgh steelers wherever you get your podcasts or steelers. Steel curtain. Subscribe follow do you have to do. And also if you're listening turns itunes. I knew that half of you are give us a five star rating if you enjoy content. Leave us a good comment. It all helps exposure. We've moved into the number one slot on the steelers side. We want to stay there. I don't even even threatening us and your need your help. I need your help with. This will help us out five star rating in a good comment. We appreciate that as we always finish it out. Here be safe be kind. God bless have a great week. Everyone we'll see on monday. Those deal our period burn.

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Pittsburgh Steelers Fact of Fiction: Staying Focused edition

Behind the Steel Curtain

12:01 min | 6 months ago

Pittsburgh Steelers Fact of Fiction: Staying Focused edition

"Verizon just turned on five g. across the country with the coverage of five g nationwide and more and more cities the unprecedented performance of ultra wideband. The fastest five g in the world. Ultra wideband is so fast. You can download an album in seconds for and five g won't just change. Your phone works. it will change. How businesses do everything. This is the five. G has been waiting for only from verizon vijay ultra wideband available only in parts of select cities five g nationwide available in eighteen hundred plus cities global claim based on open signal independent analysis during the period january thirty first through thirty s twenty twenty. It's berg steeler fans. It's time once again. We'll pittsburgh steelers back or fiction. My name is. Brian anthony davis. I'm from behind the curtain dot com. And i am proud to bring this show once again to you. Especially when the pittsburgh steelers are at seven and oh after winning a thriller over arch-rival baltimore last week they were down ten points in the second half. They came all the way back. It was a fantastic win with the steelers at seven and oh and facing three straight weeks of lesser competition with the black and gold remained focused or suffer a letdown. Bts's always trying to answer some of these. Poignant wondering ahead of time so take a listen to some bold statements on this and more as we label them as factor fiction. Because you know the narrative is always changing when it comes to your pittsburgh steelers. Will we be on point or will we be way off. Well it's free you decide. So let's check out pittsburgh steelers fact or fiction and remember like stephen king likes to say fiction is the truth inside the lie. Does that mean anything to you. It might we'll see here. We go fact or fiction. That trade for william sin signals a demotion for robert spelane. I'm going to say fiction. First and foremost this was a tremendous trade. I tell you tremendous. I don't care that williamson's considered a rental. It does not matter to me at all that the former jet titan is going to be a free agent after the season all that really matters is the steelers within at inside linebacker before devon bush. Junior went down and they're now even thinner with you three now on injured reserve. He's having back spasms again. You saw what those back spasms did to him last year. Wow they were so thin. They had to do something. So kevin colbert merely gave up draft position in twenty twenty two. He surrendered a fift- and got back a seventh for a tackling machine. You cannot be that. That is an excellent deal. The addition is huge due to the fact that it spells spelane at a spot. That wasn't meant to be three down situation. This guy wasn't playing playing on special teams and now you cannot expect him to go hundred percent of the place. You really can't so they needed to get somebody else in there and they got somebody else. That's really good if they lose them next year. Guess what they probably get a compensatory pick but that's next year we're looking at two thousand and twenty. This is a super bowl contender. This is a great deal. It's a great deal for this guy to avery. Williamson goes from an oh and eighteen to a seven ano- team just like that so it's amazing for him so spelane is unequivocally the starter. He's not getting replaced. He is just merely getting help. That's it. This is great for roberts bylane. It's great for avery williamson. It's great for the steelers. Playoff hopes the steelers super bowl hopes. And it's great for the steelers nation. So rejoice this trade and don't think way too much into the future on this one fact or fiction number two isaiah bugs. Alex smith and justin lane are making their cases to be future. Starters factor fiction. We are going to go. Fact in nineteen eighty-six ultimate one hit wonders. Tim buck three second. Well the future. So bright i gotta wear shades. Look i feel that way about the steelers defense and the future for this team. When bugs was pressed into action early on against baltimore he looked very green in the first half of action in the second. Half the six runner out of alabama looked black and gold in had two huge stops of lamar jackson in the second half just like bugs highsmith and lane look to be making their way towards the starting lineup with increased playing time and big plays highsmith had that huge interception. That helped the steelers win the game. They got on the board offensively in that second. Half that was really big. High smith is coming on strong lane. Looks really good in the secondary as well. You should see all three of these guys. Having their names amounts as they burst out of that heinz field tunnel in twenty twenty one factor fiction number. Three the steelers will have three players above ten sacks in twenty twenty fact. Tj watt leads. The steelers defense was six and a half sacks but when he can't get to the quarterback it seems like alvin. Duprey the one hovering over a fallen. Qb instead but has six opposite. what then. there's the mammoth stefan to it. The defensive player of the week steph onto it. You look well on his way to double digits last year before he went down in that los angeles chargers game for the entire season in week six this year the notre dame product even more dominant while he really does one of these. Three guys is going to lead the way in sacks the squad that breaks the team's all time mark. Yeah i say it. They are going to break that fifty six number. They are well on their way if all three continue their pace from the first seven games and stay injury-free. That's the rub. What will end the campaign with fifteen the dual of to it and do create will notch around fourteen apiece. It doesn't matter which leads the team as long as these guys are getting sacks in droves but they all will be above ten so once again fact back door fiction number. Four vance mcdonald has become a forgotten man in the pittsburgh offense fact. The man they call van animal has become the low man on the totem pole. When it comes to division of labor in the pittsburgh steelers offensive game plan of course it has definitely become a crowded receiver room in the steel city. Plus ben rothlisberger has got to be elated. That he has so many reliable targets to toss the ball but somebody is going to get the short end of the stick which is big bins and that someone unfortunately is vance. Komen mcdonald yes. I love my middle names. Juju smith schuster leads. The team with fifty targets number eighty nine falls in at seven with a mere ten and he's eighty percent of them in addition vance his thirteen targets behind number six. James conner to make matters more pressing for mcdonald's. Ray mcleod is three targets behind him with all seven targets in the past four games in that span. Vance has only three so ben. Roethlisberger is looking other places. The addition of eric ebron was most certainly going to eat into mcdonalds targets but many thought that they share the load a tight end and become a two headed monster. That did not happen because the former colt in lyon has found a home in the pittsburgh offense with twenty six catches on thirty seven targets. He ranks third for now. Mcdonald may get the chance to shine and twenty twenty for the steelers at some point but those opportunities seem possibly few and far between this steelers team is the most focused and short team that the steelers have boasted in over a decade fact. Everybody is concerned about the dreaded trap game or the steelers playing down to the competition the next few weeks against dallas cincinnati and jacksonville all sad sacks of teams but this team is different than in years past. They really really are. They could possibly lose against these teams and given sunday. You know the deal. It's the nfl where everybody gets paid and anything can happen. But it won't be because they are overlooking anybody whatsoever. The difference is a maturity and you saw the difference in maturity between the steelers and the ravens it was evident when marquees hollywood brown you know antonio's cousin spouting off about his number of targets in the steelers game that soldier comment that of course gets deleted but he put it out there. Y'all know he did think back a few weeks ago when juju smith schuster celebrated his team's accomplishments and never complained about only getting six yards in one game. That's a leader. That is the difference between a team focused on themselves or focused on a championship. The ravens should not be complaining about targets. They should be complaining about a loss. That's fine but they should not be complaining about individual performances. The steelers are not going to let hetty issues deter them from their prize. This is a team on a mission. I gotta tell you. This is a very mature team so once again fact are these statements all valid. We will soon see what matters most is what your opinions are on this matter. So you know what to do you can hit us up in the comments section. You could go ahead and tweet me at bt ese be. It's as simple as that once again. For pittsburgh. steelers factor fiction. My name is brian. Rooney davis remember friends. The truth is sometimes stranger than fiction. And that's up back jack. Today's show is brought to you by. Spd play spd. Play the weekly betting contest challenging you to bed real odds on your favorite sports with no real risk test your knowledge hone your betting strategy while competing for a five hundred dollar weekly cash prize. You'll wage a virtual bankroll on a selection of professional and college games taking on your friends and s the play users from around the country. 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Steelers Hangover: Which Steelers rookie shined the brightest in minicamp?

Behind the Steel Curtain

1:01:58 hr | 2 years ago

Steelers Hangover: Which Steelers rookie shined the brightest in minicamp?

"Nobody told radio. I mean fearful life long the. To go before we sleep. Oh, man. To rolling. And I'm so not go gently. We won't unleash hell here and do something. Healer nation. Welcome to the one show that celebrates being hung over. Yeah. Behind the still curtain presents the Steelers hangover, we've yours truly Brian EFI Davis along with my great friend and belated birthday boy. Anthony, definitely L. Tony what's going on, man? I am doing fine. Brian enjoying the age of forty seven hits me nicely. And before talking football's minicamp McHugh, thank you for the heavy. So that means that I'm I actually thought you were six months older than I was. And so I guess since I'm already forty seven and I turned forty eight this year. I guess I'm the elder statesmen. I learned everything from you. Right. Good. I'm your role model. That's right. That's. Wow. Then we're all in trouble. So I actually really that just reminds me of a really funny story. And this goes back ten years to right after the Steelers won Super Bowl, forty three. This was probably about three months later in April. And a local establishment had brought in a Steelers to Maryland to go ahead and for signing and deebo was the headliner and James Harrison canceled at the last minute. But the the the other headliner was ironically, two guys from Kent state. So the other headliner was one Jack Lambert, which was fantastic. And Ryan Clark was there as well as well as Mike Merriweather one of my favorites. Unheralded steelers. I consider unheralded. I'm because we just don't talk about him was one of the greats. Maybe because of the way he went out. But I. Really I really enjoyed him as well. But so we were. It was the day before the finding and Jack Lambert had come in. And they we were in a mall, and so they put us in a old dollar tree store to set up the signing was out in the mall concourse but to have him do his signings. When you go to these autograph shows the dealer gives him so many things to sign beforehand. So they'll give them so many helmets. So many eight by ten and then they go online or on their store or what have you? So we go back. I'm gonna call it backstage. Like, I said, it was in the old abandoned at this point dollar tree that they've converted into so many different things since then and there's all this junk around and there's nowhere to sit. So. Sitting just like you have always seen him was Jack Lambert, you just didn't have a helmet, but he was on like the small little stole. But he he was sitting like with his, but in the ground and his knees almost to his chin just like you always him sitting on a talent. And it looks like just go out and play. Yeah. It was like he was there. He was there with a cigarette and a beer, and he was holding court and everybody was everybody was just lifting to them. And so he. There was a tragedy that day there was there was a shooting at IBM in upstate New York. And so he brought it up. He's like what kind of security? Do you have? Because of what happened up in New York? And no one's saying thing will security, and I looked at him. And I don't know what I'm thinking. And I just I just set it out. I said Mr. labor when Brian Davis. I'm five eight to fifty and I got your back. He looked he looked up and me this little smirk. And he just he just said JC, we're all in trouble. He didn't say JC, though, he he's done of that. And. When the reason I bring that up when you say that I'm your mentor. We're all in trouble. I wonder why. I can't believe Jack Lambert turned on my help. I promise to have his back. But here's the thing. Nothing happened to him. He was safe. So. Fantastic guy. Just one of the guys that. Everything you expected, but he was respectful. I so, you know, I talked about being from Johnston all the time, right? So my father longtime Steeler fan and my dad's gonna turn seventy two this year. And so I would imagine that he's probably about four years or so older than or even Lambert four or five years Lambert. Now, just my dad would have went to Catholic high school in Johnstown, if you would've went to Bishop accordance that Johnston high school he would have graduated the same year nineteen sixty five as one Jack ham. So I just I mentioned I introduced him to Jack Lambert, and I said, Mr Lamberts, my father, he's from Johnstown, he looks up. He goes ever from Johnston. I guess he caught him hammer. I never knew that hammers from Johnstown, like a, yes, sir. Like, he extended his hand on my dad said, sir. Nice. To meet you like real respect for my dad was just very special to me except for two claiming that I would be good bodyguard to which kind of hurt feelings. But, but that's okay. But like I said nothing happened to Jack Lambert on my watch. I'm just saying. So maybe I'm not that bad. And then Ryan Clark was there. The next day to Ryan Clark was fan was just an awesome guy. So just a little walk down memory little memory lane. But when my favorite Steelers, I know there's so much to talk about 'cause everybody everybody that I've talked to today about the show is what's going on at minicamp, which well, actually, I'm lying because I'm sure to promote, but we do have minicamp not a whole bunch of Steeler news, Tony, but some roster moves made today and hypica- -ly. I it's funny. We had on. The show the other night that I do with Jeff Hartmann, and Dave Scofield. They brought out in over under. And they put it at like one point five on how many signings of new players from tryouts. There was actually going to be. And I think I'm the only one that took the over. Jeff even said there were going to be any. I was saying that there possibly be two or three they're a good bit. So the team signed six new players five of them who participated in minicamp, try outs. And it's a quarterback Delvin Hodges who actually had a Fanta one of the greatest college seasons ever. He's from Sanford. And he broke out Steve McNair passing records and the single season. So that's that's something very interesting than offense tackle so to offense tackled from the great state of Maryland, the turps just put up to now with the Steelers now to go along with win gray. We've got Damian prints. So there you go to Maryland turps battling it out to make the team. I don't think we're gonna have to make the team. But we'll see what happens. Here's a guy that I love another Toledo player. We love those MAC guys. But as of late we love to Lido players, the Johnsons from Toledo, you know, who else's from Toledo. Don't you? Cody. 'cause our supper. Well, that's Pizarro skipper. That's who we signed skippers. Oh, my goodness is old. I guess he played outside linebacker opposite one Olah identity. So all and twos. Are I guess it's to our twos or But to our skipper is a great name. And if you just this guy, he looks like a bad apple he looks like a guy that you want on your defense to be the face of your defense because he looks angry. And I love it God from we have a guy from Oregon Henry Munt dough, and Greg Gilmore actually, a defensive tackle will round out. The team also signed a veteran player. Johnny Holton do is. Could be could be some great competition for that that kick returner rule. This guy runs a four four super fast. He is he's returns a lot of kicks Johnny Houghton could be a guy. He was on the raiders he was on the eagles. And so we'll see if he could be that special team guy that they just throw in as an extra receiver. Who knows the releases came out today? Unfortunately, RJ prints, I know a favorite of wolf pretty woefully believe from UP if I'm not mistaken, but RJ prints was let go today defensive tackle Chris Nelson defensive end Jay Hayes wide receiver Theron, white and two guys that two notable. Guys, one that one of former Steeler draft pick. Linebacker on adults who really never never came into fruition. But really remember key on he seemed like a guy that could really make some noise especially last year in the in the tree season. What what are your recollections of kion atoms? All excited for about. I'm making a smaller school, but he's like athlete and you back this. But you know, I mean, it's just the old saying they're not using willing to give those kind of guys. Injury problems. And and he misses over the season and lashes school, I think. And you know, so bring in Sutton Smith. And you know, hey, let's let's go to guy and you have to part ways. Yeah. They got twenty seventeen she how to go. Yeah. I kind of had I thought he had promised. But. Well, that's a number ninety nine is now open as key on Adams is is now officially off the team. And I'm and we saw this coming because we we saw Delvin Hodges coming in and I'm bummed because I really liked this guy, basically 'cause I love reality television. And I watched hard knocks last year and broken Robak. Never got a chance to go to camp for the Steelers, and I'm really bummed about it. 'cause I thought he was a talented guy. He never really had a chance with the Browns. He got cut right at the end really hot girlfriend, as they they showcased her just as much, but I don't think the Steelers really care how hot is guys girlfriend is but Brogan Robak we hardly knew ya and the left. He saw him was just making sure that the snacks and the beverages in the quarterback trailer for the Browns was full that was pretty much pretty much his plane to fame, but I really wanted to see I the robot could actually be a really good number three guy. But now, he's he will not be there. The Steelers will still have ninety one players on their roster. Kristen Scotland Williamson remains on. On the team because he's that international player, and it makes my wife, and my mother-in-law happy knowing that a player from England 'cause my mother-in-law is is one hundred percent British and she is not a fan of American football because that's not real football to her. But when I told her that there was an English guy on the team that meant that. He was okay. So. When Williamson I don't have my I tell you what if he makes the team I will be first to have a number forty nine Kristen Scotland, Williamson jersey mate. Hello. I'm Spencer hall from Espy nation. And I wanna tell you about my new show. It seemed smart it's smart as a show about people doing things that for some reason or another seem smart at the time. Those things might include doing a little cocaine driving a bike up amount or I don't know maybe racing one hundred miles per hour across the country in the middle of the night with no one's permission or even stealing a bat from an empire is room in a major league baseball park, check it out. And if you like it Tele friend, I'm Spencer hall. Don't do anything smart. And I'm looking at having having a a jersey made for our our good friend Jeff Hartmann, because he he always makes fun of Ralph Webb number forty the running back, and I'm like Ralph Webb could make the team. And he completely poop who's Ralph Webb? Ralph Webb does make the team. I'm having a Ralph Webb or the made for Mr. Jeff where when we know. Plus rather have a Mason Rudolph jersey 'cause Jeff has a major man crush on on the quarterback stylings of one Oklahoma state's Mason Rudolph. But with that being said, that's the minicamp happening. What was your perception of of the feelers after many camp, you know, just three days? I know it's just these guys and pads, but what's your feeling about the rookie? Class and not just the draft class. But the guys coming in off the street as well. Well as far as the draft class. I heard so many great things. Defense. You know, I mean so far rather well and use communicating defense to fellow rookie, and what different than doing it with the vets, you know, training camp it to me that that was pretty encouraging. You heard similar things about TJ what his rookie year us taking things pretty quickly and another guy that was really impressed with and that was based on. This is interview on Friday was Benny snow. He was he kept my really well. They're really confident really cares Matic. And and you know, I mean I liked him. Connor and I like, Jim San was this kid that'd be he could be a like a breakout favorite among the fan base. Sooner rather than later as far as the guys who came today. I don't know like I know a lot about them. But you know, here's things that Holton as far as the speed and his his special teams abilities. But we are. We are things about other players like him in the past two. So you know, I'm I'm not going to get to excited. You know? I think once we see with these guys in training camp, then than, you know, learn some some a fan favorite credentials right now. And it's let these guys. Let let the rest of the center for I'm making a judgment on any of the guys that that you know, they signed over. We don't really know don't know a whole lot about any of those guys yet. Well, here's my perception of the little that I saw in the little that was reported. First of all Devin Bush is coming in like a leader already. He's calling calling signals. He's you could tell that. He's coming in prepared. He just seemed like the guy, and that's exactly what we want Justin lane. Well, now just the only one that has not signed his deal of yet. Don't worry. He's going to. I mean going through the guy the guy changed his bathroom for the Steelers. The guy had a Cleveland Browns bathroom, and which I can't say anything because I have a Steeler stuff through my basement in the man cave. It's completely gold walls stuff all around. I mean, it's a complete Steeler bathroom. I did have a little. On the toilet. That said Raven's nest. You know because it was a toilet. It just seemed right? And I once had a sign on the toilets and said, if it's Brown flush it down, and I look Cleveland helmet on it. It was a homemade sign. I should really. I should really have that that thing made. But. That would be good idea. Anybody wants gift ideas for me have a really nice if it's Brown flush it down with the the Browns helmet on it. That'd be perfect for my toilet. With that being said just lane had a really cool Cleveland bathroom 'cause longtime Cleveland fan is like no it's done. We are not Cleveland fans anymore. And this reminds me of a very famous Steeler story from way back in nineteen seventy six and the two time champs drafted a man named heard them heard of them number seventy six John Benazech. Oh, you remember that guy? Hey, especially I mean, he's he's still around in in the Pittsburgh area. Longtime coach great player for the Steelers. In fact, I thought he made that he made that defense even stronger when when he came in and became a starter on the team, but anyways band Zach was like he was not drafted. But he got a free agent deal with the Steelers and his family was upset because they were from Cleveland. They were longtime Cleveland fans, and like he's like, yeah. I gotta break this to my dad. I've got to go ahead and let my dad knew that. I I went to the enemy, and I guess it took a while. But I think after two Super Bowls later, I guess they were all in black and gold, but Justin lane that huge huge Browns fan, and he's like, son. I'm with you. I mean, so he's he's putting all the Brown and orange away. Join in the Steelers so feeler nation. So Mr. lane, we're glad to have you. And can't wait to see what a son does. But you brought up any snow junior. And his words when he I loved his interview 'cause he didn't cocky whatsoever. He seemed confident but wasn't cocky, but when he said, hey, it's just Benny smell football. They're like what is still football. Any explain where it was? And I I don't think it was premeditated. I don't think it was self promotion. I think he was just explaining. What he does. You can't argue with forty eight touchdowns when I saw film of him doing drills go through the tire. I'm like he just looks the part. He just looks like a breakout star. Hopefully, we don't he doesn't have to be one. I mean and this guy so humble, he can't wait. He's Diddy to meet James, Connor. I mean that is he looks up to this guy so much can't wait to meet them. I just love the make out the makeup of this team right now, the fact that these guys can't wait to meet better. The fact that they're glad to be there. They're excited about being there. This is the most I've seen guys go ahead and superimpose their faces in Steeler, uniforms. Do you think Johnson did the same thing? You'll these guys seem glad to be there. But ready to contribute. So I'm really encouraged what I saw in minicamp, so if we're looking at dark horse. And we're looking at short pets. Let's I mean. Could include Bush number one. But who's the guy? You're gonna put your store bet right now on as Steeler, Joe. Greene award winner. Rookie of the year as far as our courts rookie. I'm gonna go with actually favorite darkhorse favorite. Oh favor would be Devon Bush. Of course, I think he we talked about before. Yes. Billy. I really great chances step in right away and take starting job. You know, you know, he might have the toilets right now to be heading shoulders. Everybody else in that inside linebacker. You know, just like Markey's penalty twenty ten and TJ water couple years ago. So I think he's the favourite as far as our course, you know, could be Justin lane. Yeah. I mean, I don't think any snow as much as I like him. I think he's going to be a big fan favorite. Appreciate you can get a lot of work. But it's just not gonna have a lot of -tunities adjusting lane. I mean, there's there's a chance for in there to really step in, and you know, serve a purpose. If he if he can can make the team, and I think we'll make teams around pick. And and, you know, find a role in that in the secondary. I think he could really serve a purpose already. Earns as much as they say, they love them. And I I'm really far burnt that. I like him a lot. But they've obviously lost confidence in him. There's definitely a chance for him to step in and take his role right away. And I think he could be he could be a dark horse to be that that at the year candidate. Absolutely. He's my favorite Cussing. Well, you know, what I I love. I love the Justin lane pick, and I take credit for the Justin lane pick because I texted everybody like it's gotta be lane going to be laying. That's one of the few things. I got the right because you last week I made a proclamation on how many numbers gonna correct it was brutal. I got destroyed, but they were going to pick just lane. Just like I knew and sixteen. They were picking argh. I just knew it. And I was my friends like to like just just look him up now. 'cause they're gonna select them in about about ten fifteen picks. This is the guy they're going with. So for some reason, I know third rounder like, but with that being said, I I agree with the Bush. I mean, there's but if I had to put number two Bush as a favorite I would put lane. So I'm going Bush one lane to. And I would put Snell three so I wouldn't even put Snell dark horse because I would put him if we're ranking smells three because the forty eight touchdowns and with the Mike Tomlin and the team kind of seeing the light. And when I see seeing the light they saw what happened to their season, and you could correlate their season going down the tubes with James Caan or going out. And it's just so happened that. He wasn't there for he was there for half of the loss of the Los Angeles chargers. But he wasn't there for some of the other ones wasn't there for New Orleans wasn't there for the raiders. So that being said, I I think I think they're gonna give both Samuels and smell a lot of playing time. I think you might see now in a lot of short yardage situations in goal line situations as well. So this is a guy that I think will see considerable time as a rookie in changes of pace and get some opportunities. I think he is more tailor made for starting role than which Ayla Samuels is I think Jalen Samuels might even be a better third down back even though they don't. Really imply third down back like they used to in the Bill coward as when Veron Hanes and when eight zero away. It was a starter at one point. But when they went ahead and use that third down back a lot. Maybe you might see situations like that as well. But you always bothered me though, with the third down back when it was like third and fourteen and they're just handed off to run Hanes like stop it. And we're on eight of them. But I mean, I want you to Chuck it down the field. That's just that's just me. But if I'm looking at a dark horse throw a crazy one out there. I'm gonna see Sutton Smith. I really think Sutton Smith is has the ability and the potential even though he's small to play a lot on special teams and those Outside Linebackers their thinning outside linebacker. Somebody goes down he wouldn't be a starter, which you don't want that to happen. But I'm just throwing up setting Smith is just eight darkhorse for me. I I not only do I think he's gonna make the team. I think he's going to be very important. And even though he's. Is not an inside linebacker, even though he could play inside linebacker. I think special team ability. He will push thirty read off the team. I actually think Medica that's really that's the guy you watch this year that he's gotta have an amazing camp to keep his job. As far as I'm concerned, and I loved Hertie Red Eye up, but you never wanna see dirty red anywhere. But special teams would you agree with that? Tony. Oh, yeah. We talked about last week. You know, he he's had three years now to prove himself at least in reserve. He has yet to really make a Mark at that. -sition at all. I mean, he's a great great special teams. I think we can both agree that he's unbelievable. But if they find somebody at a different who they think has better upside his actual position. They're going to give him a chance to make the team especially is player, and that might be something Smith. Absolutely. So. Yeah, I think I think might be in trouble. So one more guy to talk about it. I know we did this last week a little bit too. I'm really pumped about PJ lock. I actually think he's a walk to pardon the pun. But I really think in the safety physician he is the one guy as an undrafted free agent that I really think makes this ball club. So I'm really excited for this guy. I think he just looks the part as a safety. I think he could be a very good player for this team. I think he could be a Mike help. Maybe that's a lot of throw on this guy. But and I know Mike hill was not our undrafted free agent. But he's he's the guy that I'm really excited about so with that being said the Steelers two thousand nineteen draft class is would you agree with me? They are still gloriously in the honeymoon phase. Is that true Sony? And if so could you elaborate? Oh, yeah. Absolutely. I when I really need to quote about that over the weekend. I mean, we talk about penny Snell. I mean, he's he's your typical preseason fan favorite because you know, he's running back for Steeler fans. Love running backs, right? And he's he downhill runner for four minute offense guy possession for any back. He's the kind of running back Steeler fan club. So you know, I joke that you know, three or four times that you know, different guys steal of the draft. And that's that's what we say. All the time. And reason why I say this. I remember when people said that about Chris Rainey, remember Chris Rainey in twenty twelve. Oh, yeah. Out of Florida. Eight means brother keeps brother to the famous. He hate me. Yeah. Right. And he was he was still the draft. It was you know, they were gonna find so many things for doing the offense. And he lasted one year. I mean he had gotten in trouble off the field, and they cut him. Well, you really women. And then that that doesn't help right. Right. Yeah. But I mean, he he really didn't do much and unco after that, you know, so, and that's what we feel every year this time. I mean, it was a time. When when like, we talk about kion, kion atoms. I thought he was going to be something he could he can make team and you never really made a Mark. I I was a big fan of same coats few years. Oh, man, my semi coach. He's gonna be he's gonna take flexi or Texaco my place. Right. He really didn't eat. He got hurt and twenty sixteen and he was nothing after that. I don't even know if he's on a roster anymore. But I mean, there's so many here, but it's not gonna take place to. Yeah. I know as as he told if you. But, but you know, we always have have great optimism time of year. And that's why he's great. But you know, we can look back to pass and see that you know, if they get a few guys out of this draft class that are that are superstars or or even starters. That'll be a great thing. So I just hope that that they do find at least more than more than the average as far as you get out of an annual draft class. They find that this year 'cause they they could use it. Well, what do you consider? Let's just say starters. Starters from its raft. If you get. Forty percent sorters like, you know, typically, I know there was nine pace this year. But typically three of seven is a pretty good number. What agree. Fantastic number. I mean, I that would be would be ideal. If you can get that out of this draft class, and that will be here to get three. People don't understand that. They think the patriots are amazing drafters and they're not they're good rafters. Just like they're probably one of the better drafting teams in the league. But there's a lot of second and third rounders fail on that from that team. I mean, right, and what I have friends that think Kevin Colbert's the worst ever because he just can't drive to play. I mean, he because they they have a fifth round pick or six round pick. That doesn't make the team. Like, it just doesn't work that way. I mean because then. So if you're gonna get all nine then you have drafted players that aren't going from a year or two ago that you're cutting loose. And so now, it's it's not a success anymore. There's only so many spots on the roster and people don't understand you can't bring in seven nine guys when you have other guys on the team. But yeah, people do it. When and if all nine guys make your team, what does that say about your your your roster? Anyway, it says that you need a lot of health, and they don't need a lot of how they need some help. I think you know, what all nine guys making team. I mean, it would be great. If that they were all that good. But when when I'm saying, it would be it would be the best thing for feel if they needed all nine traffic's to make team. Well, we know Bush is a lock we were pretty we know Deontay Johnson's a lot. And I I gotta tell you you've got three and four lane. Excuse me Johnson's also three you kind of even though he's the second pick you kind of you kind of look at him as a second around. Or even though he is third rounder because he's the second pick from the team. So we can't lose sight of that. But Johnson's a lock he will make the team, you know, Snell and Lehner gonna make the team. And then you start looking at guys like let's start with number five and Chanterie gentry is gentry making this team. I think I think he's he's he's I mean, I joked about about him being a, you know, a athletic free. 'cause he looks like rob rank house give it he's the one guy that you know, you could see them kind of. All right. He's a lot of work. We can probably get out and go and get another number three and off the waiver wire at the end of training camp and maybe making the practice squad. So I think he's tentative based on his college action experience. I mean, he started college is quarterback. So I could see him realistic realistically not making the team. Yeah. He would be the first one. I would think that would that would. Everybody knew I Patel editor and chief the verge and this is the verge cast. I is the flagship podcast of the verge every week. We cover the latest in tech news reviews. We took a critical look at what is going on now. And next in the world of tech show hosted by me, our executive editor deter bone, not your friend and Paul Miller. It just feels like there's something wrong with all computers, though. Don't you think that sometimes we do that on Fridays and on Tuesdays interview episode of talking to all kinds of influential people in around the world attack. 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I kinda think he's gonna be penned into the number three guy. But things could happen. Yeah. We're gonna go. Off track a little bit here and just real quickly. There was an article written on the. This team is looking at the the team being the Minnesota. Vikings are looking at putting Rudolph on the block should the Steelers go after a guy like that. And that's a really good question. Because. Gonna take a pretty high draft pick. At this point you already gave up third even though even though you have third next year. You have an extra third that you've already given up. What would it take to get a guy like Rudolph? And is it really what they have is. It really worth sacrificing a two thousand twenty pick for this guy. I mean, if if if Vance gone on didn't exist, and you were dealing with, you know, as your ceiling as far as your Detrick as games, I like the lot. But you know, he has he has limits, and I would say, yeah, you definitely go for a car route off because that's kind of what they did two years ago. When they traded revenge McConnell, but now eventually going on his had the twenty TS in these head, and you're paying your paying him. I think breathing car Rudolph, you know, even if you could afford it, which I don't think they can either financially or. Is it is it is it vantage honors car route. 'cause I guarantee you kinda Rudolph wants to be the number one. Then no matter where he goes based on the money. He went right now. I'm base. I would say you're you're opening yourself up to a a a problem similar. We have more number net last year where he wasn't satisfied with his role. And I think you would have that with with car route off what he wanted to be a number two. And I don't think so I think it's worth it for. I mean, it would be great. If it was like, a fantasy football kind of thing, but as far as real life, it'd be it would be in their best interest to go. After that. I think you need to get a veteran tight end along the lines of the space who can be your your blocking number two then but as far as a a luxury tight end, and I don't think it's worth. My sentiments exactly I would love to have them. But it's not realistic. And it's not worth giving up draft picks for what not saying that. He's a problem. But making it problem situation, you definitely do that with that. So let's get back to the guys on the draft. We're talking about just realistically making the team Sutton Smith. I think he makes team Tony. I think he makes it mostly as a special teamer. I think. I think the two other guys. I excuse me, they bug. He's defensive lineman with key on atoms. Gone. Even though he was considered linebacker. He was a defensive end linebacker than edge guy. But I think that gives you some depth on the defensive line. I think those guys that. That I could definitely see on the team. And then there's a Ulysses Gilbert as well. He's pro- I'm probably on the fence. I probably feel like he's a practice wad guy. Just because of the depth that you have at inside linebacker right now that you just didn't have before. But I he might be considering outside linebacker as well. And then there's Ola Denny. So let's say those three guys they could be up for debate with look at Sutton Smith bugs, and he listens. Gobert? Sutton smith. I mean depth that linebacker. I mean, you're getting rid of key on atoms right away. He's gone. So you have free watt and Ola. I don't know Tikolo top three and then all that would be your number four right now. So there's definitely still room there for a Sutton Smith associate excel on special teams as far as Gilbert. I mean, Gobert you don't have forth there anymore. Right. He's gone. You've probably you know, Medicare bitch. Like we talked about. He hasn't shown you anything as inside linebacker. So Gilbertson come in in a pre-season and show you something. And there's a chance that he makes he couldn't make the team, but I'm kind of leading with you. I think he might be a practice guy 'cause they have Mark Barron in there and everything and and as far as Guay gray earn very bugs. Yeah. The Ryan from Mela Bama. I mean big name. He's had so much so many years prove himself, and he really hasn't made much of a dent. He's just to depth guy. You know, he's he's a roster clog or at this point. So I mean with productive Alabama. So yeah, I definitely think he could he could steal roster spot. So I'm I'm more confident with him than I am with the other two. Actually, I think he could actually actually except right in and be a depth guy on defensive line. So I'm looking seven guys, and we didn't get to one gray. There's a puff leap ready. It just depends. What happens with Gerald Hawkins? But right now, I think gray is. And Gilbert or probably gonna need to go to the practice squad. But I can see seven guys making this team outright. But with that, then you've got to see who goes away. But you brought up a good point. Because you still have you still have a guy like foot that needs to be replaced foot four at the needs to be replaced. Yes. So I don't know. I still don't know who are the inside linebackers beside on this in the draft class besides Devin Bush. I don't know if I don't really know what Gilbert is. I don't know whether he's considering the outside or inside linebacker. I don't know really what they're gonna do that and Smith whether they're gonna make him an inside linebacker because that's not too much of a position change when you get to this point. But here's a guy that do how to get to the Houston or size but knew how to get to the quarterback with fifteen sacks. And and and thirty career sacks and most of them coming into seasons. So here's a guy in Sutton Smith that you know, probably makes the team. But just where at you know, like, I said, you know, what the depth of short at quarter looks like, you know, lanes. They, you know, death start at wide receiver and inside linebacker with Bush in the eight Johnson. You know, what they look like, you know, what? You know, how to look for still because they'll expected to be the number three guy. And and typically check they kept Stephen readily last year. Yeah. I mean, this is a huge upgrade over Steven. Ridley. So. With with him. I mean, Stephen really was. Last year the Connor. It wasn't expected to be that way. Because everyone play me on bell was coming back. Nobody would have dreamed that he was going to have to be the number two and him being the number two cost them. Definitely cost him in the New Orleans team. Definitely pretty what's being the number two cost them a playoff spot. So that because that was that fumbles killer, and I knew cuties that fumbled in that game too. But huge is your number one guy right now on Johnson's gonna jump right? So we know those top four guys are getting spots. It looks like right now gentry's, your number three tight end unless something happens with like you said he just doesn't he doesn't. He turns out to be more of a project than anybody guests. And then they go with somebody all of Bucky Hodges, even though Hodges not come to camp 'cause he was cut, but they go with a guy like that like take McGee not with the team any more. But you know, what I'm saying I on heralded guy that makes it as a free agent. Like, they've you're Griddle who bit now you're on tenth of purposes. Your number two guy. Which I thought my grumble boycott because I was so mad. I'm still picked off at him from the the Broncos game. I hope he learned from that. And I'm going to trust that he has. But one of the most the Regis in the worst excuses ever think he would've plenty to guy when you just get I hope somebody talk to them and said that you're you're getting get out of jail free card, but you're never get it. When I get don't ever just like. Lou Brown of the the being in Badri league. Don't ever do it. I get. So. I I'm hoping that case. You gray half about the great could make this team we feed it with a seventh round before too. It just depends. How things say up, you know, filer still there, but filers your starter? So who were going to be the backups? That's just what has to be decided because now Marcus Gilbert's gone. He's no longer there. You would expect, you know, be finished still your backup Gordon center. So he's probably your six guy in the lineup. They this is make or break for Gerald Hawkins. If he's healthy, and he's should be healthy coming in. He's probably your number seven guy. To actually to probably your your your next tackle coming in. So you you would have to seven you would have number eight being Gerald Hawkins. Typically, they keep about nine offensive lineman. I mean that could be great. See name would be. Somebody else's or is there anybody missing because. Who am I missing on the offense of wine, Tony cause I mean? 'cause Gilbert was basically only there for a couple of games last year. Yeah. You have about the. Trying to think about that line last year. And we knew who the five starters were in filer, basically being one Finley vide- being another. So anyway, missing somebody Numa helix gone. I am. I'm sure I missing somebody and somebody could tell if the point is day who were missing. But right now is is gaping me, but. During gray has a definite opportunity to make this team. So I mean, but right now, I'm still going with seven of nine. I'm I'm thinking, that's probably what you're going to see as these guys of for these guys coming in, and you know, one or two drafted free agents will make this team. Right. So you would just have to decide who's who the turnover is going to be. Right. Oh, I did forget about a guy Zach banner. I knew there you. I mean, I love the fact that he was six eight hundred sixty just a big guy, but he might be he might be expendable guy there. He hardly got a hat. He was mostly the game day scratch last year. We'll just see what happens with like Hawkins coming. Back Hawkins was ever on the roster last year. So there's an opportunity for one of these guys Damian prints included who just just got a job at a mini camp. There's there's about paternity for these guys to go ahead and get jobs. How many new guys we don't know? It's gonna be exciting. Then I can't wait. So that's our wrap up. That's the hangover. We talked about minicamp talk about the things work cited about so from here. We just got a countdown to too late July and if the incident so Tony thanks so much for joining us this evening. Thank you, Brian. And you brought up a good point. I mean, we're we're seeing the alighted. He ended the tunnel two and a half months ago training camp, and I actually can't wait. So I can't wait talk. You again next week at the same time Monday night. You have yourself a good week. I will. I will definitely do that. Thanks so much. And I will see you soon. Friends that's hangover, and we'll talk to you next week. But.

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Beck In Black, Part 2: Steelers have tough decisions to make at receiver and cornerback

Behind the Steel Curtain

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Beck In Black, Part 2: Steelers have tough decisions to make at receiver and cornerback

"Once again, I am deputy editor Michael Back of behind the steel curtain dot com joined as always with Jeffrey Benedict Jeffrey. Breaking down the water series is fun but the flip side some guys that we saw enjoying themselves a little bit on social media today they the all got their their yellow smoke tinted visors going on they're all flexing. Having a good time is those defensive backs right off the top before even mentioned any of the names? Do you think this unit as a whole? This defensive back unit is the Strongest Position Group on the team. cornerback Yes yes. Cornerback I'd I think that's a yes we got four good ones and Justin Lane hopefully makes. Yeah and you know speaking of Justin. Lane. There's going to be some interesting some cap maneuvering going on in two thousand and twenty. One I if that cap drops to one, hundred, seventy, five, million dollars, which is Kinda. The the floor number that that's been floating around the steelers are going to be about seventeen million dollars in the hole and one of the names that could come up for being caught to kind of bring some that cap space back is one Mr Joe Haden a fan favourite. That would kill me to see because he is one of my favorite players and believe it or not I cheered for him when he was in Cleveland because he's just one of those guys you each year for he's a good dude. But. If he is a cab casualty is Justin Lane replacing him is he the guy that is stepping into that cornerback spot? Well I. Think. That's big. That's a big thing to watch is is how Justin lying place there if they start giving him chances and he plays well, dad is definitely a possibility that we could see. We can see, hey, move on. I think that's that's sealers. Do if you can replace somebody that cost enough money, then you're going to get that job. If they got they, they're gonNA cut who they who they can, and they're going to keep who they have to, which is, which is why budget pres on franchise. Tag. Yeah no kidding and end in that spotted already feels like they have his replacement in. Ties with. So it's definitely it's definitely something that they have done and if the cap does slide, it's a move that I think we need to be prepared for a little bit. Moving more into that quarterback talk and kind of the guys at tell might be floating around the practice squad or making the team for one in someone that thinks the steelers will take six corners if one co editor, Dave. Scofield's listening I. Think they're taking six corners and three safeties. He thinks he thinks taking four safeties and five corners but. That's kind of what I'm. I'm leading to a little bit here which might tip my hand when we talk about a little bit later but after beyond borders is cut to a reactivate justin lane onto the squad. There are about three names that are Kinda flirting with the practice squad being the last corner of the roster just being cut flat out those three names. Says Alexander Sorry if you're listening out there I. Apologize. James Pierre and train bandy it. Myself personally trade him bandy out of Miami He was kind of the the gold standard. I guess you could say of the undrafted free agent class the most hype guy and I do believe he is going to make that team. But I'm wondering what you're thinking how many guys this unit is GonNa take and are any of those three destined to make the team in any sense bunkering trains on Bandy? Was the Miami cornerback Theon Day John's he's one of the guys the Onta- Johnson absolutely torched. Those games he was part of phenomenal pass defense in him and guy who just got traded Michael Johnson. Michael. Jackson A. Detroit Yeah Yeah to new got absolutely destroyed by the Ontario Johnson I can make the team I mean the practice I think he makes the practice squad I just I just love the idea of him getting a shot at the Johnson in practice because that's That's still hurt. He had a play one of my favorite, the ONTA- Johnson clips. They, were trying to jam deontay Johnson and he went to put his his hands and just straight up jammed right in his chest and the Johnson grabbed his wrist in like like von Miller style pulled him through and just was six yards downfield while he's trying to get himself back like valance and it was it was the best thing. I've ever seen. Of course as quarterbacks were terrible. They threw the ball away didn't even look his way, but it was one of the great I saw that I was like Oh my goodness I. Love this kid. I just WanNa see I wanNA see him. I would love to see a camp where he is in there and he's battling with say Johnson and like. Mike Tomlin's calling that out to him. You know like something like Tom it'd be like remember. Drawing. Roy Do that to you again. Like I would love to see that I want him to make the practice squad mostly just for that. But that's that's my choice. That's. You know what I think those three and I'm leaning towards them taking six and if there is a six name at I, think it is Bandy as well but. I think it out of those three of anyone's making the team slash practice roster. It's him for sure and then after that, it's all the guys were making the team and one of the more interesting things just because stats wise doesn't Kinda workout the same I'm thinking more position battles here and when we're looking at Mike Hillman Cameron Sutton. There's an interesting dynamic here because both eels are expiring the team's probably only going to be able to afford one. What, what exactly would you do in this situation? Because in my in my opinion I think sons more that coverage guy he he's a little. He's still not afraid to step down on the run game but then Mike Helton's guy that that's that's setting the edge and. He does have his fault impasse, but he's been the incumbent and he's been doing it. For longer than. Sutton has. which way are you going between these two? For like keeping long-term. yes. Exactly. long-term. I'm probably going with Sutton. Just, because I think Hilton. is going to be more expensive. And I think Hilton they are they are working on replacing him. They are already bringing kind of guys that can be what he is. They've been looking for those guys but if they can't if they can't find them like of Antoine Brooks doesn't show up this season at all if they don't find anyone who can be. A solid in the run game from that nickel back physician. I think they almost have to keep my Tilton but but I I think they find a way to replace him I? Think you see cameras sutton stick around. Yeah. That's kind of what I'm leaning towards too and it comes out of the contract I'm also leaning towards Cameron Sudden potentially winning that spot that nicholls spot in camp. And moving into the season I'm sure could bounce around between them throughout the year just kind of playing who the the hot hand is but. When it comes to this year, WHO's The guy? I think I, think the problem with cameras lot in in that job is that nickel position? Is a big time blitzer in this defense that is a big time blitzer in our defense and Hilton as. A Blitzer Hilton Durham Plays Hilton will take on offense linemen and he will he will I mean he's not winning the battle. It's not like buddy preaches putting one harm in the guy's chest and driving backwards but it will help fight with them and he will make plays in the run game based off his ability to just crash into offensive lineman hard enough to kind of neutralize their advantage in size he is incredible that way Tomlin loves that and his players we all know Tomlin loves little guys that hit. And he is a little guy who hits hard and he a good blitzer and he's like number one in sacks from defensive back over the last. So many seasons or so he's he's a, he's either one or two. He he's top notch there. He's underrated and coverage. What you don't want is him. Covering good. Deep Threats D. That what you don't want if you've got a guy who's not a great deep threatens going deep Elton can stay with him but if they put a deep threat in there at the slot and you're asking Hilton to run with him. That's not a good situation. That's him at pretty much worst if he's blessing if he's covering short if Hilton's a little off of you and you try and run a five yard out route of quarterbacks. It's gone. He's taken it like he's that guy he can break forward. He can just he he has great burst. And he knows that position and he is a phenomenal both in the run game and is a blitzer he has a lot of value there. Cameron Sutton does not have that. So. Like I as a as a cornerback looking at someone I would say, okay you know seasonal since missing a game when someone's slide outside or you put my Tilton or game talk out there. That's an easy choice that's cameron side. So. I honestly think. There's a possibility. Say Justin. Lane. Isn't quite where we wanted to be that you could see Joe Haden to cut and Cameron Sutton move outside. I think you could see that situation happen. More than him taking over nickel full-time because he is not a blitzer. They don't like last year. They blitzed every single corner back at least once. But Cameron Sutton and Steven Nelson. Those are the only two defensive backs all they blitzed mango they blitzed trautmann's they blitzed Joe Haden. Those guys they never blitzed. Steven Nelson. They never blitz cameras on. That no, and that is really interesting and a huge factor and exactly why Mike probably is in the spot. But I'll tell you why I won't be mad of CAM sudden. Wanted it 'cause I I'm super petty and apparently Mike Helton's too. I was having a nice little twitter conversation with a friend just kind of talking about the spot. Didn't tag any butter nothing we're talking about Mike Hilton Camp Sutton. And my friend said Oh my kiln is the most talented unquestioned and my response was something along the lines of you'd be surprised and someone search their own name on twitter read Mike Thread, and then like my tweet the one negative thing I ever say and then scurries away and I don't think. That's so rude. Michael at least read the story where I'm positive about you the whole time off the top but. So I think by Hilton is a guy though everything you hear him say when you hear Tomlin talk to him, it's always like might say you can't play. Might they're saying you can't cover. Might they're saying you're too small to play you can't hit people like I think he feeds off that I have no doubt. The he goes around looks for those posts probably liked it. So he could find it again and be like I'm reading all the posts they say stuff I don't like so I can just get me mad and I can go out there and practice of energized I I would not put my Hilton. Exactly back. As soon as this is off, I'm going to page and I'm scrolling down at I bet you all all those like tweets are just like, oh, he's a bomb. This guy sucks that. You know that wouldn't surprise me I love Mike Helton I. Absolutely. Love Him I. Just it's going to be hard. For us to keep, people. Like that's why I love this season. Because Cameras, we've heard people there's people have been saying you know we could trade somebody for graphics. We could create a cornerback I think back to that that two thousand, ten season and the Super Bowl against. Green Bay sorry for bringing this up everybody. Put you know put. On if you need to In the Super Bowl Week Jordy Nelson was their fourth receiver. Like Jordi freaking Nelson. Young just starting to break out, he's their number for a guy, the steelers dying cornerback was Anthony Madison special teamer and he was covering Jordy Nelson and he'd beat him all day. Like Jordy Nelson was open all day we had that great defense, but it didn't matter because their fourth wide receiver Jordy Nelson and our fourth cornerback was Anthony Madison and this team I as I love the team right now in the depth at both cornerback and wide receiver because if we went into a situation like that and we're facing a team that has that kind of great depth Wide Receiver Arbor for quarterback is Cameron The. attack. In their you talking my children, you attacking Cameron. We're okay with that we can live with those guys and safety is backing them up we we can live with that. and. Our number four cornerback art over four wide receiver is going to be chased Klay Pooer? James. Washington. Mike. I'll take that as well. You you want put like your worst corner one on one. With James Washington we can choke. Ballsy. We saw the Denzel. Wart. Like we'll take that all day. That's why that's why these two positions I absolutely love our depth and I hope we get some guys developed because man haven't four deep is is such a benefit at such a big deal. Yeah no kidding and you know what? Before we we finish with the kind of our top duo here. I'm just talking about those free agents and something's bound to happen with the NFL with the CAP 'cause there's no way they're just going to allow all these these veteran players just going unsigned like something has to happen especially if you're a team like the saints who seventy million dollars projected over the cap next year. They they gotTA. Clean House. If that's what happens and then there's not a whole whole lot of teams that have money the colts somehow still have I believe seventy, million the patriots have sixty which scares me because I feel like that would be that's the ballot check that's game is get Trevor Lawrence this year and then sign every single veteran to a five million dollar deals. Every other team doesn't have five million dollars. That's my nightmare but I feel like something's balance happen here but. What do you think? Are they just going to say you know what? Like this this balancing year every teams just GonNa take a huge hit. I think through I in their the negotiate for next year just goes because you don't want to agree to something then have like this season with no fans and half of it gets canceled and you get a bunch of TV revenue and you've already agreed to more money when you don't want to I think the owners are more likely giving themselves leeway I don't think the owners are gonna WanNa Lower Cap. I. Think they look and say, okay, we can recoup this. We're GONNA get this money back. Then they'll be fine I mean we we've got extra playoff games this year I know teams are losing ticket revenue. But that's not a big. Deal. That's not national TV contract money. They're not losing that kind of money. So as long as they're able to play games, put him on television. They're they're going to have a good cop situation and if we're back to normal next year at its next year. Twenty twenty one season, we're able to have full fans in the stands everything I. Think you see. The NFL say you know what we'll just we'll carry the cap we'll carry straight over or maybe take like a minimal amount because those owners are not if you're talking about owners. Have the teams. They're not going to want that. They know how many owners are GonNa say yeah you know what? I'll cut half the roster that sounds fine. You know the steelers would be like, I will cut Ben. Yeah, we're good. We're good. Now we're good but we haven't been rothlisberger. Bruny's isn't going to agree to that. They're going to be like, no you know what will spread those offers out. We're good. We're good. Yeah Yeah I totally agree with that I it's funny the the League in the Great White North up here there there is something that the season isn't played. It's possible at every single contract becomes void up here, and then every every player in the CFL. Just become a free agent. So that's the kind of chaos that. So we're that we might be dealing within in the three down game appear, but thankfully I don't think that the NFL would ever come to that. But I don't think so either. Moving into our last you because. I'm starting to sweat already at the the sheer thought of that is Joe Haden and Steven Nelson getting back into our quarterback talk. Are they the a top five duo amongst corners in the NFL? Are they that good because my test I I would say they were. I think so I think they're top five. I don't think they're one of the. Top. They fit our system well. I. There was a number out there saying like, Joe, Hayden gave up some of the fewest like d prescriptions twenty three yards. Yeah. Well there were deep receptions is just Past him like he passed off to someone else if he's not covering people deep. Yeah. He's not giving up deep receptions. So we saw that some he's good. Joe Hayden is still really don't get me wrong. I've done a huge Joe Haden fan mostly because he's that guy who isn't as fast as you used to be. Quite as dynamic as it used to be, but he's still gets it done because he has that old man savvy that kind of like I know how to cheat better than you do and get away with it like I get little holes I elbows in there where you know getting called for it because I know how to do it. I've been around long enough I know how to do it. You get those big fast, freakish wide receivers like a Josh Gordon on him and they don't do anything is even though they're bigger and faster than they can't get past that. My Love Joe Haden. I like where he hasn't like the dynamic they had with him in Edmonds. Edmonds can get better at deep balls and Joe Haden. can gamble a little less than that. I think that those two will be really good. Over there on that side. Steven Nelson. Is Opinion He is a Dick Lebeau cornerback only as an old school Dick Lebeau quarterback. Get Past Steven Nelson. He does not give up deep balls. He's phenomenal on deep passes, how you be Steven Nelson is underneath. And we have that salt I like he plays over there might Hilton's there. Like when they when they do trips on his side, they just let him take the receiver they do pattern matching. They'll do things where make patrick crashes underneath and Nelson covers deep. There's all kinds of ways they use him that. He really fits. I like Nelson Nelson is a really good receiver. He's not. By opinion elite because you kind of need us him to his strengths. Or for him to be really good. But when you do and we do because we can he is phenomenal and so he's going to be great for us. already basically said it but Steven Nelson did basically say in a press conference this week that check the stats when it comes to comparing him to guys like Stefan Gilmore trae White Jalen Ramsey. Statistically. He's right there if someone that should be in that kind of category and seen as one of the top corners and football or is that more skiing based like you said? I think all the top court anyone putting up those numbers at scheme. Is Involved. You're not. You're not stopping receivers in the NFL like that unless you have help. It's just the way the offense is geared either didn't say like you're Steven Nelson interface anybody. But. If you're ever week one, Juju Smith Schuster was was beaten up on Steven. Nelson. Stephen? Gilmore. All Day he was getting yards on Stephen. Gilmore. The seeming Gilmore face other quarterbacks even face good quarterback seeing face a lot of good receivers. They could do it. They could they could do pretty good against him and he faced a couple of guys that put up good numbers on him, and that's it. Because most of the time you enough face much of anybody. Yeah. No kidding and then. Flipping back over to Joe. Haden. Let's just forget about the cap space. Do you think he could sign another deal is he is he still good enough to? Last year. You can he continue to to put up that pace play that level or this? Or I guess was twenty nineteen hit his his plateau I guess the end of his great run is there more left in the tank for one Joe Haden. I think so I think especially. When we're able to use him again to his strengths where he's covering more routes where he's what he's deep, he's in deep zone. When he has ability to pass off, you know if he knows I'm passing underneath route to somebody else or he knows I'm passing off the deep route to somebody else and I have to cover short. Had to cover this area have to cover this guy in man he's phenomenal. He's he's not a guy who's going to be caught off guard and recovery anymore. He's not that guy I think he can still do it. He's doing it with smarts. He's doing it with knowledge and experience in the past he was jumping last year. He's telling there's game he's in Arizona he told her L. Edmonds Hey if they throw that if they're lined up like this. They're running out again and I'm jumping it just be be aware and you can see it that he ran up jumped the slot receiver ran out route and trial Evans was suddenly like okay I'm deep. In deep, but the Laurie and Joe Haden made an interception was phenomenal as long as he can do that, he's going to have a place. In the NFL and I, thank the way he's playing. Now you could see a move to safety or a move into a slot receiver role. If he needs to I think he's got more years I think he's got more years I think he's got at least this year maybe another year or two left where he's still a top top cornerback. You know what? He's played a decade, the NFL so far. He's been one of the top corners over that stretch, which is insane. Think about when he's just thirty one years old but I do agree with you that he has some years left in him. I would love to stay and chat about this all night. This has been a really fun Combo both on the receiver and cornerback side, but we are getting to the top the hour. So Jeffrey before we get out, is there anything you WANNA play that's going on with the site or just? In general, you tomorrow my film room, I'm putting a film room out tomorrow talking about the steelers and the Ravens basically breaking down the defense exactly how we struggled against the Ravens offense and My opinion is that this year I think the steelers in great position to sweep the Ravens and take back the AFC north no matter how good they are against other teams. We have solutions for. Them. Just Covering, what caused? What causes us to fail even with the offense as bad as it was last year, we were in those games and. Like like it was the defense doing it, and if we can cut a few things out be better in a few areas. Where we'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA destroy that team told. To hear Jeffrey thank you so much a fun evening looking forward to doing it again next week. Iran are end up before I sign off your guys make sure hidden hitting up that Juju signed Jersey giveaway, facebook, instagram twitter you have three opportunities to get in on this. You can triple up your chances I believe they're pinned at the top of all the pages. So make sure you go hit that up because that's some sweet giveaway. So guys thanks again. For Tuning in to the second edition addition a law I was really hoping I didn't screw up this ultra again, but I'm going to get the title, right? It is back in black. I had to look the notes I scared myself. But Anyway, I'm a deputy editor of behind the steel curtain dot com. Michael Thank you guys for tuning in and have a great night.

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2019 NFL Draft: Steelers finish strong on Day 3 of the draft

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2019 NFL Draft: Steelers finish strong on Day 3 of the draft

"Pittsburgh Steeler fans. What is up it's Jeff hardman editor of behind the steel curtain dot com. And it's over the two thousand nineteen NFL draft at least for the Pittsburgh Steelers. I think there are still being sid. There's some pick still being made as the time of this recording. But at the same time the Steelers have picked they're done. Their seventh round is complete Mike Tomlin and Kevin Colbert had had their post draft press conference. The only thing that's left. Now is those sign eight to ten undrafted rookie free agents here in the coming hours. You'll have that information of this you'll curtain dot com. We already have the tracker and rumors mill up. So check that out if this that's something that you're curious, but the Steelers had a lot of selections on day three. And that's what we're going to talk about today after what most people not saying myself, not saying Dave's goldfield not saying Brian Davis. Some people thought day to was very underwhelming. I thought they rebounded and had a strong day three. We're going to talk about that. But first, let's get through all the picks that you might have missed in case. I understood. Day three of the draft can be really really difficult to stomach because it's long process rounds four through seven. So here's you the Steelers selected in the fourth round. They took Kentucky running back. Benny Snell junior power running back runs. The ball. Hard is very different than the other running backs on the current roster will talk about him tight end Zach gentry from Michigan was their fifth round pick. Correct me if I'm wrong, but he looks like a Jesse James clone round six they had three draft picks. I take from northern Illinois Sutton Smith. He's an outside linebacker that can also transition to inside a little bit underweight, but still he's a high guy. I love saying that he's a high motor guy. The second six round pick is Ahah bugs defensive end or defensive tackle. Depending on how you want to word that from Alabama third round the third sixth round pick. Ulysses Gilbert, the third what a name linebacker from Akron, and they finished it out in round seven with a guard Derwin gray. They said he's very position flexible from the university of Maryland. So with that said, I welcomed Dave Scofield to the show. Dave it's over. What are your thoughts on day three day three? This is quite a long process. I mean, even the Steelers by round six felt that they needed to take a big Pooh. I was gonna say something that is the nickname of the Alabama line. That's not. Yeah. Okay. Go continue. Please. That's that's the Brian mail bag. Spending way too much time together. Yes. Other than that about the only other thing that I could say is I felt like I was a senior in high school again. Brian understand this because I I was getting flashbacks to to the British are and be artists. Mark Morrison and his infamous one hit wonder return of the Mack. That's a great song. With tune. Yes. It was you know, to see that the Steelers going over all three well, especially yesterday today going with three players out of the MAC. That's pretty that's pretty good. But, hey, if if you've got the right people there to find the talent go find it wherever it is. It doesn't matter where it comes from a kind of feels they need because let's be honest. The knack is very often overlooked conference in terms of of drafting and scouting maybe the Steelers just like when Bill Nunn senior went into the historically black colleges and started to draft there. He was kind of revolutionary. I'm not saying this is the only people that draft from the MAC conference. But they probably I had this would be something interesting. Dave is to take a look and see who drafted the most MAC players in the last few years. And I don't know how tough that would be. That's that by be a lot on your. But it's one of the things that comes through my head. So there you go. Brian davis. What do you think about daydream what very happy with the three one of my more favorite day threes of all time. I was going in the same direction as Dave but a little bit different. So for dinner tonight. It's not going to be healthy. I'm going to McDonald's. I'm gonna have a Big Mac, but when have ten of them because big ten and MAC seven players four from the big ten three from the MAC. So that's at ten big Macs for me, baby. Wow. Yeah. I guess I never thought of it that way, I guess in the especially in the states rounders kind of rapid fire getting an article ready. And then you gotta get next article ready because they have three picks around. Yeah. It's the big. It was crazy. How just seem to really be focused in on that one territory in the scouting department. Does have territories whoever scouted that that territory for the Pittsburgh Steelers? My goodness day. You just look at the overall scheme of. Where they pick these players from. They all came from the same area. All right. Let's go ahead. The only other thing is the alternative to that was two players from the SCC, and I do not want to be investigated by the SEC for anything. So I'm thinking that maybe that Big Mac is a better bet. I will say this that right now in the live chat, and you're watching live on YouTube. Currently you can head over to the live chat. We always have a great community there with a lot of good discussion. You know, most you were saying love the draft. While the draft were saying that we thought they three was great and someone says worst draft on paper in the last forty years. So there you go. I mean that's Pittsburgh Steelers for you that Steeler fan base. You can't EV can't please everyone. That's just the rule of thumb in terms of the black and gold fan base. Now, let's take a look at those players those day three players. I want to ask you guys, which player were you most excited about that? They drafted and why Brian we're going to start with you the side. Well, these actually two of them I'm actually excited about this whole draft some of them I weren't familiar with. So I went and looked them up. But that's the thing with day. Three anybody that gets angry about day? Three picks is because they just want Onate games. They want brand names. You know, if you wanna coke or you just want to call it doesn't matter. But when the cola is just as refreshing to you, then then you're fine. And they've picked some refreshing guys aren't exactly names, but there are some names here too. Because I was familiar going in with three of these names is Ahah bugs. I was familiar with with Benny snow junior who I absolutely love. And I was even familiar with the love child of Marcus Gilbert and the eighteenth president Ulysses s grant Ulysses Gobert, I familiar with that name as well. Brian. You do realize today is the birthday of our former president Ulysses s trans I was result building. Why do you know that Trey wingo tweeted it, okay? At least you didn't look that up on. No, no way. Jeff, and I were actually celebrating that. And we didn't invite you. Dave sorry, we apologize. But we have a big Ulysses s grant party later on this evening. So with that being said, no Benny snow junior. This guy's monster. How many touchdowns has he had forty eight in a three year career have a thousand yards over thousand yards as a freshman. He kept it going the thousand seventy one yard season or whatever it was was his worst season. He just kept topping it. This guy is a guy that is definitely going to be a good short yardage back. He's averaging about none of those seasons. Did he ever GE under five yards? A carry. I love with this guy could add to the mix. I mean, you have a pretty good mix right now with a a pass catcher. And and your franchise running back in Connor in the past catcher being a. The guy we got last year. Jalen samuels? So I'm loving this. I'm loving this pick a lot. But I've got to throw out. I love the Isaiah bugs picked to. I think that's good depth on the defense. You get a defensive lineman that Karl Dunbar knows all about once again. This was a good day three, and I could go on the other ones. But I'm gonna give you guys a chance and not just hog the, Mike. Okay. So Dave what player excited you when they made this election? Well, it's funny because they make the selection, and it takes me a little bit just to say. All right. I wanna make sure I know everything I do about this guy before I really. One form an opinion. Jeff gave me a really hard time. When I didn't do that yesterday. Check ESPN gotta check CBS. I'm not I don't trust the CBS is why you hate Dante Johnson because he's to thirty seven on there. I don't understand why you say that. I hate the day Johnson. I simply a question of did they need to take him here. Or could they have got him with the next pick and instantly? I am the biggest day Johnson hater and the worst BIC in the history of the NFL only because I asked a simple question. So. Sensitive. Dave getting. Just like Mr. burns from the Simpsons. With dave. And that's always been doing on are taxed on a the we've got to go all day. And I could see Dave's. I can't see his face, but I can see the steam coming out of his ears and save just like, I'm pressing buttons. Know, I gave the highest grade from yesterday's draft out of all three of us. I don't wanna hear it. But but but it's true. Dave hates Deontay Johnson. Yes. I mean. Yeah. I don't know what else to time there. I really liked the bugs pick. I thought that was to me that that was one of those picks of if they would have come out of this draft in wouldn't have drafted a defensive lineman. Maybe what to try to find depth as an undrafted free agent. I would have been fine with that. They didn't have to draft the defensive linemen in in my opinion. But they did because they had a really good one for what they got right there. I mean, he led Alabama in in Sachs's past year more than Quinton Williams. So I love that pick that picked was great. I pretty much like almost every pick. There. I wasn't the one that I had to warm up to the most was was the gentry pick the tight end out of Michigan. Because of how close they were to getting foster Moreau, but the raiders traded up or traded up in front of him to to grab him. I don't know if the Steelers taking them there or not they might have liked gentry better. We'll never know because I'm sure they're not gonna tell us. But I also like that when you get to the last pick. And you're like are they going to add an are they going to double dip it a position? What are they gonna do? They went offense of lineman. So once again, we have a seventh-round offense lineman with what they tell you about him is he's got good feet. We had that back in two thousand twelve with Kelvin Beecham. I'm not saying he's going to be a Kelvin Beecham. But once again, he's also a tackle or guard. They have a lot of position flexibility. I like everything about day three. Yeah. You guys bring up some really valid points. I'm going to go a different way. And it's not that. I disagree with you with Benny Snell. I don't disagree with you with bugs or during gray. I did think gentry was a little bit of a reach. But I think it was the best player available at the position of need at the time and try to pick he called her to reach. It's the worst pick of the NFL ever. I do. I mean, I I'm down at I hate the hate his guts. I mean, he looks just like Jesse James. He's probably slow as molasses on a cold day. So now. Six. Like, six eight and a half or a quarter. Think he's huge. Yeah. I mean, I want to see him now stand next to each other imaginable lining up next to each other to block. Oh, my. Although apparently, this guy really needs help with his blocking. Well. Jesse Jesse James? He's very rough around the edges. I said what did grumble now he's their best. He was their best tight end blocker last year. And he was used to be the worst one. Yeah, that's true. So we'll see the before we before the draft on Wednesday night last week. I did my Steelers my NFL draft wish lists, and I talked about with those three picks. I said they need to start targeting players that are really good special teams guys. And I think they did that you'll get Sutton Smith and Ulysses Gilbert if they can make the roster if they give show enough that they could be potential death pieces. Whether it's at outside linebacker inside linebacker, these two guys wrath, let enough each Sutton Smith is smaller he's to thirty three. It's Dave pointed out when he was drafted. But if he if these guys can be demons on special teams at the Steelers need that they're kick. Coverage teams are awful in my personal opinion. You all my disagree. But I think there's so much that they can improve upon it by getting guys. At our rookies getting guys that are athletes getting guys at are hungry that maybe that's the only time they see the field. That's where you gave players that are motivated, and they want to go out and make a play. Sometimes when you get those veterans out there. They're kinda just try not to get hurt on this play. You know because I still have to go play offense after to play defense. I liked Sutton Smith and Ulysses Gilbert for their potential, but really like them in terms of impact players for this season. So that's where I wanna stop for a second. Unless you ain't having to comment on what I just said. No, you know, what I think you hit it right on the head one more thing about Sutton Smith, though, the guy had fifteen sacks and twenty six and a half for loss tackles for a loss last year. I mean, that's actually pretty incredible. I know he did that in the MAC, but hey, I will take anybody with that kind of motor. And we've talked about undersized edge rushers before I knew one named deebo that was undersized. And I believe he came from the MAC, and I have no problem with that. Another thing about him too. Follow up is at the I'm pretty sure it was the senior bowl. He actually played some inside linebacker. So that's why there was a report that they drafted with inside linebacker, then it was taken back. He's going to start an outside linebacker, but they're going to let him play wherever they find that he can play. He's a sub package guy. He's it's the way the game has moving anyways. I mean, the guys that put their hand in the dirt on the outside and rush rush rush rush. Rush. Thank regularly think Kevin Greene, even think James Harrison and Lamar Woodley those players just don't exist that much anymore in the National Football League. They're being phased out. Hello. I'm Spencer hall from Espy nation. And I want to tell you about my new show. It seemed smart it seems smart as a show about people doing things that for some reason or another seems smart at the time. Those things might include doing a little cocaine and driving a bike up mountain or I don't know maybe racing one hundred miles per hour across the country in the middle of the night with no one's permission or even stealing a bat from an empire is room in a major league baseball park, check it out. And if you like it Tele friend, I'm Spencer hall. Don't do anything smart. Okay. So here's my question for you guys in this is a tough one of. Yes, me take Devon Bush added this equation because I think we would all agree that he's probably going to be starting in week. What? So you take devilish out of the equation the rest of the picks they had eight other draft picks not counting Devin Bush around one. Who do you think has the biggest impact on this team this season between the rest of the players? I kind of feeling it's going to be clean. Either feeling it's going to be between two players doth on offense. But I could be wrong Dave will serve with you. Who'd he thinks have the biggest impact thank misty go. I want to be able to say it. I because I think it is without a doubt. They aren't they Johnson. I think he is a fantastic player to have the only thing. I question was did they have to take their the more that I found? I think the answer was. Yes, they did. I really like what he brings. I like the style of wide receiver years and because they're going to run so many wide receivers. It's going to be easy to get him on the field. So if isn't going to be a reverse situation where hopefully now juju is going to be drawing more attention, and it's going and he's going to be able to benefit from that. I think I think he's got an amazing ceiling. All right. What about you? Brian mighty think Justin lane now. Really? No. That's okay. But here's here's my thinking on that. Joe Hayden is the starter. And I want him to be the starter. But are you gonna get sixteen games out of them? And that's that's the guy you think about will. You get sixteen. Probably not on the other side of the ball. You have Steven Nelson. He's he's probably going do. Well, hold down the fort after that who do you really have at corner already burns, your really is already burns going to make the team camp Sutton, this guy if he comes in he was said to be possibly a plug and play type player now I had also heard that he's a project from some pundits. But it seems like he's more of an NFL ready player. And I think he might get an opportunity to to actually start and play because he has to because of injury. And I think he's that darn good now already burns. I don't think he's going to. I really don't think he's going to get many opportune. Ladies. And I think laying if he has a good camp. He's going to be the third guy. On the outside. At least I don't think he's out Mike Hilton the slaughter. Yeah. But what I say mixed guy in. He's okay. I think you're saying that that's interesting. I didn't think you we're going to go there because I think Benny Snell because let's look at the running back stable James CONNER has not played a full sixteen games late in his NFL career. Jalen Samuels has a very small sample size of success, very small. And so then you have Benny snow junior. And so in terms of him finding away on the field. I feel like he's going to have the quickest route because even Deontay Johnson. He's going to have to fight through a lot of veteran experienced players. Even James Washington is going to have a year under his belt a year in the offense. He's going to have a chance to really prove his worth. And even if he's in the slot. Ryan Switzer in with the team for a season you by Rogers been with the team since us drafted undrafted free agent out of Louisville. So he's going to have some competition. I think that for me Snell junior has a faster track to getting on the field. And that's the best way that you're actually going to make an impact is by. Getting on the field. Plus, I said this before they all have a different style. So James Connors that one cut downhill runner in. It's proven to be successful. We had a great year last year. He did have that high ankle sprain at the end of the season, which was really tough to see. You wanted him to stay healthy. See if he could really put up some huge numbers for the Steelers. And then you Jalen Samuels who's not really as hard of a runner, but he's so versatile great pass catching than Benny Snell junior. I was watching some highlights and some film with him today. My goodness that kid just wants to impose his will on anyone that gets in his way. And I liked that a lot. So I wanna go with Benny Snell junior. In terms of my pig to have the biggest impact in two thousand nineteen Dave you said you had a stack staticky question for us. Correct. Yeah. I mean, it's it's real simple. We've actually kind of touched on this recently. But I wanted to wait and see how the draft actually played out the Steelers took three players in the sixth round. They didn't have to they didn't use any of those picks anywhere else. When's the last time the Steelers drafted three players in around? Wasn't. It was the chief seventeen. Brian Vicki's wants to chime in. I'd like to go ahead and go for the steel here. And I'm going to go for. I believe it was two thousand twelve with Kelvin Beecham in that seventh round that would be correct when they tat in for a wide receiver from Colorado. I can't remember his name. I'm not sure, but they had a bunch Frank Webb was that his name Frank web lives now. And it's not a Frank Frank. That's what I. It's not Frank. It's oh my gosh. Oh now, I forgot his name. I like Frank better. You know? I don't know why just prefer Frank over. What is his name again? Brow? Brow? Take a world with routes Frank. It's frank. Okay. So here you go to the Steelers when you look back on the nine th picks that they had they ended up taking five on defense for on offense. And it's it's balances balances gift for an odd number. I'm looking at these picks. And here's a kind of a flip. You flip the script on the question. I just asked you guys before we did the stack key. And that was the biggest impact who do you think is the biggest risk of being cut in not making the team that we talked last night. And I'm preview shows about how the Steelers do not like to cut ties draft picks. It's very rare in fact in the in the Kevin Colbert era, and and we had that question last night. Correct. Dave. Dave us you there. Dave Dave Dave's versions anyways. Brian will go with you who do you think is the highest risk of getting cut this year in explain a little bit during gray. And the reason being is I think there there are a lot of incoming offensive lineman. You have a you have the big guy from LSU? That's always hurt number sixty four. I just I had his name on the top of my head. The tackle. Yeah. Gerald, Gerald hawk Hawkins. You have him possibly coming back. You have depth on than offense of land. I just don't think he cracks cracks a fifty three he might make the special teams or he just might not make it at all. I think you're gonna see eight of nine I'm get hats and stick with the team. It's going to be tough. I mean you look at the linebacker spots. I someone like Tyler Medicaid, which is really going to have to earn his spot in my opinion. Because let's be honest how a Medicaid which is nothing, but a special teams guy at this stage in his career. Correct. You've maybe that. Yeah. And that's that's all I never wanna see him on the field except for special teams. He's liability when he's on the field now. And we we definitely saw that when ear went down. We saw other times thousand eighteen he's there because he's a special teamer the same with the HP. I know HP does not have. A contract right now. But he was there for special teams only. Now, you brought to guys into young guys Sutton Smith and Ulysses Gilbert, the third and they're in there to go ahead and be young blood make the team make their make their hey on special teams. And I have a feeling they're going to have a possibility, you know, Smith has has the luxury of being an outside linebacker being coming in as an edge. Yo Gobert is is more of an inside linebacker. I believe if I'm not mistaken. So you know, they both they both have the chance to if they don't get hats. They're going to one of them's going to end up on the on the practice squad in less unless something happens that they get poached. But I think I think they have a really good opportunity to make this club. I think Drouin gray would be a great player to on the practice squad to learn for a year. Maybe a guy that could eventually fill in for someone like for Mon foster. He's at the end of his career. It would be great for him to learn other than that you list Gilbert is going to have an uphill battle. Even bugs is going to have an uphill battle and to to make the team not last year is kind of eye opening when they picked Frazier in the seventh round was like, yeah. I could see this guy Alabama kid dread. The coach knows him. He should be a kind of a shoe in and he didn't make the team. So you never know. He's late round picks. Now, everyone said in this is being talked about currently in our live chat about were the were the defense has been the concern the whole time, I've kind of doubled back and said, it's a concern still. But let's not forget that the offense has to replace fifteen touchdowns by TIMMY Brown. But still everyone's concerned about the defense. O'brien the draft is over. Do you think the Steelers have done enough on paper to kind of calm? The fan base is nerves when it comes to the defense. Oh, yes. Definitely. They they added a starter most likely endeavour Bush. He doesn't have to start. But they probably added him as a starter. You have Justin lane who is probably going to make the team over. I could see him edging his way up. Well, definitely over Brian Allen. I think we all agree that he's over Bryant. I mean, if he's I mean. There deeper and they're not just because of this draft. But because what they did in free agency. They said we have these specific needs when we talked about this yesterday, and they filled each and every one of them with place holders possibly before. They went into the draft. Now. Stephen Nelson's there for the long haul. He's not really a placeholder Barron. Po possibly is Moncrieff could be unless he unless he really seizes the day. So with that being said, they're adding when you add a Deontay Johnson, you're possibly just adding him as a fourth or fifth because you believed in the guy like James Washington to begin with. So now, they have a full stable of wide receivers. They have full stable of inside linebackers. They've a full stable of corners. The only thing they didn't address that. I wanted them to address Jeff is safety. And I was really hoping and the fourth round might have been a little bit different of Chauncey garner Johnson. We'll still there he went. He went earlier in that round to you went right away and that round to New Orleans. I'm wondering what would have happened if he would have been sitting there. But. I kinda wanted them to address safety, but you can't address them all it's just impossible to address everybody with you're looking for best player available, and they doubled up on something that has been weak and that said linebacker position. So they've strengthened all the way around. I mean they all game breakers. No. But the Pittsburgh Steelers were a puzzle piece team. They have always treated their franchise and personnel like a puzzle, and they bring in pieces of the puzzle that fit perfect, and I really think the scouting department. I think Tomlin I think Colbert, I think art to they did it, and they really had a sweet draft here. Now, you know, the the experts the so-called experts that are going to go ahead and put a great on the straffed are going to probably give them a b minus to a C because that's what they do. But you, and I know this team and as far as needs. I love what they did here. Jeff, I agree with you. And I'll tell you what you talk about safety. You knew a lot of people are forgetting about. I know you didn't I'm not sleeping on Marcus Allen because he's a guy that basically sat the entire season last year. So Kevin Colbert talks about a lot of time. Second year players. They still treat his rookies as an additional rookie. I view him that way, I think that there's no doubt my mind that Marcus Allen could be that athletic player that they want that they might have coveted in this draft. He is that player my opinion. But that's just me. I think the Marcus Allen someone that a lot of people are are just kind of forgetting about you agree or disagree. Everybody. I'm Neil Patel editor in chief of the verge. And this is the verge cast. I guess is the flagship podcast is the verge every week. We cover the latest Intech news and reviews. We took a critical look at what is going on now. 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I was trying to follow through my cell network to at least be able to hear what you guys could say YouTube. Yeah, I think all these guys have legitimate shot. At making the squad. I think there are some going to be some question marks of other people that aren't going to go. I think we misspoke last night when we talked about wide receiver. I think there's room. I don't think that Rogers Switzer is going to be pushed out just because this pick up because that would still even they would still be like six on the on the depth chart. My question is going into the season. Is there what which position group? Do you think would be hardest to recover from a major injury because of the not as much depth to somewhere else? Looking at it. I haven't seen. Just kind of tailoring this too. The team that we have the draft picks. I'm gonna say after the draft. I'm gonna go cornerback. Just because it outside cornerback. I just don't feel bad the death. And you don't want Justin lane to have to play. Although Bryan made a very strong case form earlier as a player that Kevin impact on the team. You don't want him to have to play. You want him to be able to sit to be able to mature to learn and to really kinda grow into his his own self as a professional. I feel like an you guys can disagree. And obviously if you're in position, but I'm gonna say cornerback what about you, Brian? What do you think? Well, you know, what I'm not feeling that way about running backs anymore. I'm feeling I you know, I feel you on the quarterback, and I agree with you. But I'm gonna go back to that safety position. Because I don't think they have not replaced Morgan Burnett because he was in there as a safety. Mark Barron is an inside linebacker considered right now. I just I just really think that if somebody goes down that's kind of that's kind of. You're weak or group now. Okay. What about you? Dave. What do you think I'm going with outside linebacker? 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Steelers Six Pack With Tony, Part 1: Maybe Steven Nelson isnt the bad guy after all

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Steelers Six Pack With Tony, Part 1: Maybe Steven Nelson isnt the bad guy after all

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We have steelers pittsburgh chair jerry. Devil chad lanzmann. Burt taveras rhino tool. Arthur esquivel Jack bauer from twenty. Four i think burn notice better. But that's just me unbiased. Ezra nightrider eric donna nolan. Thank you all for joining me so always have a few topics i wanted to discuss on tonight. Show starting with tuesday's news of the release of steven nelson. I think most people kind of expected that when it was reported last friday that the steelers giving them permission to seek a trade. I think it was pretty much evitable at that point that they were probably gonna cut him because once once the word gets out that that team is allowing player to seek a trade a player. Who's on one year left on his contract and kind of assumed that they don't want to pay him what he's but he's making or what he or. Maybe they don't want to meet his demands. Then it's kinda hard to to get anything back and of great value in a trade for him so naturally a few days past and and nelson went public on tuesday on twitter. Saying look. you guys made your decision. Please set me free. How reset it. I forget how he said it. Please don't don't don't holding me hostage. I i forget what the exact tweet was. But not long after that. The steelers released steven nelson so now. He's a free agent and they are. They have eight million dollars more under the cab last. I checked according to over two over the cap under the cabinet or that sites called. they're just under a point. Seven million dollars under the cap so they have. They gained that much with their release steven nelson and be quite honest. I was kind of disappointed. And how that all unfold. Because i i thought it was pretty valuable player for them for last two years. A lot of people were saying play declined over the second. Half of twenty twenty. I don't know what you're judging that on As i always not an expert on on the accident owes a football but he seemed to be a pretty consistent player and maybe he wasn't a number one corner but he was certainly a really good number two but Maybe free maybe not for eight point two million dollars which would have been his base salary. Hattie played for them in twenty twenty one so at first when i first heard the news last week and i think i even mentioned this last week show. I just kind of assumed that because nelson was consistent over the first few years of his contract he signed with pittsburgh in two thousand nineteen that he was demanding to be paid like a number one and in. That's that was the snag in the negotiations for the extension. The presumed extension between the two sides he wouldn't buy in. They weren't to pay him that kind of money so they Gave him permission to seek a trait. But now that you're hearing some more things come out after After his release of listening to the fan today on friday afternoon race fittipaldi Of this opinion. I think jerry dulack a couple other guys a couple other insiders. They were of the opinion that it was more. Maybe more steelers who wanted to part ways. Because they didn't want to have to pay him eight million dollars play for them as a number two corner this year and they tried to work out a an extension that would maybe less than the cap hit or maybe he even asked him to take. I dunno for for for twenty twenty one and the two sides couldn't come to an agreement. So they they had to part ways and So you know at first of stephen nellis waikiki on on your deal and i think a lot of fans mindset y y you know how dare you turn your back on team at signed you as a free agent. Two years ago on your deal but now it looks like it was more on pittsburgh it might have been more on pittsburgh's and as far as everything that transpired in just went to him and asked him to to a maybe take a deal that he felt was beneath him as far as what would what would what he's worth so i think he has chocolate up as a business decision on both sides and you know maybe the way he went about getting his release ultimately on twitter that might have been turned off to a lotta people but the way i figure it. You know power to the people right. I mean players have probably more power now than they ever did because of social media. Because you know they're they can be their own own Media outlet so to speak in and they can go public with with a situation. You know in the past. It would just be speculation and you didn't know what was going on especially with the steelers since such a tight lipped organization but you know Nelson said look. You guys decision. please please. don't don't don't hold me back. Please let me go out and and try to find another home so you know i. I've been in situations like that. Where i kind of forced my boss's hand. They don't wanna pay me. What i thought it was worth and i felt kind of trapped and i said look. Here's my notice it's for you know six months from now and they didn't even want to be two weeks and that got rid of me so you know. Sometimes you have to take the power in your own hands with now learning more. The facts Steven nelson for for how things unfolded vote. Either side really. I mean if pittsburgh didn't think he was worth eight million dollars to at least against a cap anyway. You know to to play for them this year. Whether or that's just how it goes. There are no guaranteed contracts in the nfl in is why guaranteed money is so important that these guys up front but you can't fault either side for how things transpired. So and because the steelers were so adamant about not wanting to pay steven nelson eight billion dollars or at least have that count against the cap for them in twenty twenty one and tells me that they have no desire to pay any cornerback. That kind of money in free agency obviously would have to be as a free agent and i'll get into that a little bit later in the show. Actually research looked at some free agents. Some draft picks and did some mock drafts my own simulated of touch touching nut later but People are are wondering whether they can do at the number two corner And just assuming that it's a huge loss steven nelson and on paper. It really is mean. He's really again. He was a really major contributor to their defense. Especially helping get from pretty good and like two thousand sixteen to two thousand eighteen tag dominant in two thousand nineteen in maybe to a lesser extent. Last year so you know. How are they gonna replace that They lost my kelton and of course they lost in combine that with nelson i. It looks bad on paper for their secondary. But we're not. we're not mike tomlin. We're not kevin colbert. We're not the rest of the coaching staff. The scouts on nineteen you know everybody involved with evaluating these players internally on a year round basis and quite frankly. We don't know how they feel about justin lane for example the third round pick from twenty two thousand nineteen at michigan state. You remember they picked him as kind of like a value. Pick if tarot edmonds was sort of a reach in two thousand eighteen in first round while at the time language was considered more of a value. Picking the third round. A lot of people hadn't going Late first round and did a second and they wound up getting him into third round. So this is his third year in the league He really hasn't shown a whole heck of a lot as far as a cornerback. He's mostly been special teams. He played a little bit. More last year You know it doesn't seem like he's he's progressed but maybe he really hasn't had a chance to do that because of who was playing in front of him. Joe haden obviously nelson hilton just a secondary that that improved almost overnight with the addition of nelson. And make. if it's patrick. So maybe he hasn't really had his opportunity. They see him in practice every day. They see him how developed so maybe they really feel confident that going into a third year justin lane maybe has a chance to be a starting number two corner in twenty twenty one. Maybe it's james peer also say hi out my man terry one of my good friends in real life he he just joined the live chat and he's very knowledgeable. Guy maybe wanna says. I'm going to get them on my podcast. I think he would love it. And you know i think it'd be. He's more famous than robert golden. I don't know but anyway. Hello to terry and anybody. Michael o'malley everybody else. Who's joints hurt a chirping away. But or was that james peer. Here's an undrafted. Free agent out of. I think florida atlantic last year and a lot of people in behind the curtain. Nation are high on james peer. He looks like a really a good prospect. For being an undrafted free agent. He went to a smaller school. They looks like a lot of good physical attributes. That could translate well to the nfl if he can if he can tap into his potential reaches potential. So let let people like james or maybe they like him just as much as we do it behind the curtain so There's another answer. I've i've read that Perhaps there are plans for twenty twenty in base defense. Whatever base defenses. now. I'm the offense if such a thing exists anymore with all these hybrid defenses and you know all these sub sub defenses soup packages. But i've read and heard that maybe their plans are for sutton to corner the outside corner in base defense and when i switched to a sub package but i switched to a nickel or whatever that sutton slides into the slot in one of the other youngsters lanier. Pierre is the outside corner. we don't know we don't know what they're thinking. Oh all always see is as fans and media is like oh gosh. They didn't do a whole lot in free agency and they let one under top defenders. Go again we don't know how they feel about about their guys that they've been developing the last couple years so and again of course there's the draft When you when you when you depart partways guy. Nelson cornerback a bigger priority in the first or second or third round brian. I talked about that last monday on the hangover. So they could be thinking of that too We don't know but to bring it all back to steven nelson. at first. i was like this has got to be kind of like an ab situation disgruntled. Whether this contract he wanted to torn up and he wanted Lots of guaranteed money up front and it was all his fault. Why would the steelers partways within. Well maybe for a lot of reasons. I just Speculated on maybe he just felt like they had much cheaper alternatives. Who could do the job. The job as well as close to as well as steven nelson what we don't know yet. So i have no hard feelings towards steven nelson after Sometimes passed so you do eat but if you do that's fine too. I mean. I'm sure he'll never know. But best luck steven nelson last. I checked still free agent. I'm sure he's he'll he'll land somewhere matter of where i guess and with an offer for teams that are looking for for a players in the second third and fourth wave of free. Worry at none of a second wave but third wave. i don't so that's my. That was my first topic. And here's cre- exc who says in. Rooney's we trust their their. You guys kind of sums up what i said. You don't always have to trust the ruins because they're not always right see already burns In in in many other examples Nineteen eighty-four through two thousand four when he didn't seem to realize how valuable and how critical quarterback situation lies between bradshaw band. So isn't that always in ruining we trust but but they certainly know a lot more than we do. So again. This is why it just goes back to you. Know we make such a big deal out of the draft every every year. And we i mean gosh what was it As soon as i'm talking to you right now. It's march twenty sixth grade and we've been talking about the draft since like four seconds after that playoff loss to the browns were two months in so we spelled his time talking about the draft and evaluating these players if they if they take this guy. I'm going to break my remote. They take back. I'm gonna jump for joy of all that stuff here. We are two years after the two thousand nineteen draft. Maybe it's time for justin wayne. Maybe his ship has finally come in. And you know it's time to shine in the. Nfl is the starter. So you know this is why those things are important As i as i wrote the other day in in whatever article that was every three or four or five a week. It's hard to keep track. I think the reason why people get so upset with the free agency season because there are so it's not just a regular season anymore and the nfl's regular season the draft season frenzy season the scheduling season. There are so many seasons that people feel like they have to win you. Meaning the steelers and if they don't win people are upset. So you know. I i think maybe in a different at a different time in a different place. If they had more cap room maybe their strategy would be a bit different but perhaps they were preparing for this for a couple years because they knew that their cap situation would be tough and twenty twenty one and in. Maybe there's there's hope for for guys like just laying pierre and whatever so. That's that topic and my next topic is a bit of an unfortunate one. The news it was reported of leaked by. Tmz on wednesday morning regarding the the video of the fight that rookie chase claypool was involved in california on march thirteenth. I guess if you look at the video and i watched a couple of times. I looks like he's just you know involved in a pushing and shoving match. Maybe he doesn't have much to do with it. And then at the end he becomes like the the main event in a actually kicks guy who who was on the ground and it didn't. It did not look good. Did not look good. And it was a big story of wednesday in now people were kind of wondering about chase claypool. Kind of person he is he came into. League is a thought of as a big character guy from canada you know. He played his college ball. Notre dame he was a great work ethic love the block excelled on special teams before he got his chances of receiver Not just you know returning punts kicks you know. Running down making tackles right so and and you know. He burst on the scene in his rookie year. He was unbelievable. Just big play after big play after big play and you know since the season ended he had his that the quote about the browns after steelers or after. They beat the steelers in the playoffs. He started talking trash. About how the chiefs we're going to beat them and then Bob brea olinda wrote that piece a couple of weeks ago for steelers dot com kinda hinting at his diva like behavior last year. And then you combine those incidences. Which i don't think i think big deal at all especially the browns thing. I could care less. I mean these guys talked trash throughout every game. And if you ever listen to the silent mike in things that you pick up on or when you watch. Nfl films in here. Thanks guys say to each other yet. We always make a big deal. Out of pre and post game quotes. For some reason. I have more weight. I could care less about that per win liberal. Ed he said what did he mean by that. And then you combine that with this bar fight. It's not a good luck. And i know twenty two year olds get into fights all the time as you know we've had these discussions over and over again. I'm sure they people went round around on wednesday and thursday talking about this incident. Saying when i was a kid i was doing stupid things. You gave me that kind of money at that age and blah blah blah. But it's not like you can't. You can't just doesn't fly anymore. Nfl in sports. I mean anything that anybody does is under a microscope. And and you know look at how upset people are with juju smith schuster for dancing on logos and for being on social media too much. If if they're gonna if if they're going to criticize if you could make a strong argument about that and a lot of people do at least they try and clearly. You have a right to judge chase claypool for this incident. You know it it. It wasn't a good look. Not the actual scuffle itself the fact that he know a two hundred forty pound professional athlete kicking at somebody presumably in ahead on on if he connected or not but it wasn't a good look at it could have been a much more serious than it turned out to be so does he deserved get suspended. Maybe i wouldn't be surprised if he was. I mean you know these things. It's hard it's hard to let these things go now because so many people are looking for reasons not washington. Nfl or sports and every little thing is a reason while not watching the nfl anymore. So clearly more aware of their reputation in fact that at fans are willing to walk away for many different things. So you know bar fights just you know. I realized guys like bobby lane and your stories but ernie stott ner and you know him and myron cope used to get pulled over in a drunk driving and you know the cops let him go because they were local celebrities and the i realized that all happened back then. But we're not. We're not living backed anymore. We're living in twenty twenty one and everything's a bigger deal now so you probably should be suspended or received some kind of sanction. i don't know what but does this mean that. That i think he should be traded or cut or whatever no because he is twenty two years old and twenty two year olds do get into fights in they do do stupid things and we all do stupid things. I mean. every article. I write is considered stupid so you know. I don't think they should. They should follow him around forever. It's just something to keep an eye on. You know something to keep an eye on for now You know i it. It was just a unfortunate thing and he seemed like a really good dude. Seems like way more to like about him than to not quite. Frankly i've been told this this little incident there was nothing Hate about chase claypool. He seemed like a really great guy. Great personality fun-loving intense hardworking. And of course above all else super ultra talented as wide receiver in a lot of using potential to be a superstar. So i'm not i'm not going to. I think he should be. There should be. He deserves whatever punishment he gets. You know within reason. But i don't think it should should follow him around. I don't think you should ruin his career. It's just it's just to keep an eye on so with that being said i'm going to bring a close to the first half of the tonight show if you're watching on youtube live and facebook. Don't go anywhere. I'm not going anywhere. We'll be back for a second half. If you're listening on on audio platform such as i heart radio there's so many different platforms reading find us. Please download to of this episode of steelers. 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AP Laboratory - Episode 26

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AP Laboratory - Episode 26

"Everybody thinks for joining today. My name's Ken Swanson, the lead coma drop downs for head pride. This is the AP laboratory coming at you with our first bach- draft of the season. We're going to do that. We're going to answer all your questions in a mail bag. And we got lots of cover today. It's going to be a lot of fun joined by Craig and Matti already here. Mattie. How you doing today man, undoing good? I'm feeling pretty happy that we are lucky enough to not have sporting game on tonight. So we actually Craig's attention. It's gonna happen often over the next couple of weeks. I guess years. I don't know how long they Malysz season last. But it seems like it lasts at least three years per season. The Craig win does the sporting KC guy'd come out sporting KC guide just constantly comes out on my Twitter feed. It's the main reason why will lose followers from now until the start of the chiefs. Well, thanks a lot Craig. I. She ate that soccer draft. I'm taking Cobi Jones with the first pick. Is that a good fake Craig, you know, Cobi Jones and Tony Meola? And that's it. Beckham. I've seen kick a soccer ball. I mean, I mean, you're not wrong. Sorry, Ocho Cinco. Also, another soccer player. He played for sporting. Point. He was he was something. I mean, I think he was. Yeah. He was a reserve that have been fun. That would have been just would've been a lot of fun. Do you else's a lot of fungus the the Casey draft guide for trades trade issue? This is actually the first time. I think it's the first time we've talked about this on this podcast guys were were doing a draft guide. If you have not heard we are geeked out about this. It's something that we've been working on for just in the works for about a year at this point. And it's going to be over three hundred prospects graded over two hundred write ups about the prospects. There's going to be mock drafts there's going to be big boards. There's gonna be features. There's going to be all kinds of cool stuff about this thing. We're really excited to kind of release this. It's something that like we're all passionate about the draft. And so getting to do this is really cool. I throw this promo code out for you guys right now because you know, while we're preorder being it releases on April eighth. There's a preorder code that will get you. You a big discount on it? If you go to gum dot CO, that's g whim dot CO slash KC draft and use the promo code nerd, you're gonna get a huge John OEMs draft guide with everything, you know, about prospects and how they fit with the Kansas City Chiefs for six ninety nine. So there's are a little plug. Really hope you'll take a look at it. We're geeked out about you can find it all all of our Twitter stuff as well. Okay. Fellas. Let's do our I mock draft of the year. How about that? I've geeked out to do this because mock drives are fun, and we need to have a little fun around here because we've been stuck watching some really bad prospects. At least. Because because being Craig our primary graders on the quarterbacks in the running backs. Patrick Mahomes ruined quarterbacks for me. I mean, I I can't watch anyone be like he's good. Oh, he'll be fine. No. We have Patrick Mahomes. The greatest quarterback in the National Football League. Twenty three years old. And it also doing commercials in stuff in ketchup in and out in LA selling t shirts phenomenal. Wow. I really talked a lot. I went full Matlin. There. Didn't I? Yeah. Like being even on the podcast anymore. Or if this is just a kit ramble session, at least mine. I give you guys a word in here and there, but. How you doing? You know, sometimes I have to take a drink water every now, and then he's got to come up for breath. So what we did with the what we did this with this Bach draft exercise is we took three mock drafts we're gonna do three round. Mock today, we took three mock draft that are out there that went beyond, you know, round one. So we took a three round of four around in a seven around mock draft and any prospects that were on two of the three mocks available to the chiefs at their positions. We were allowed to take and it really restricted the board significantly, Ed. I think we. We were we were kinda miserable going through it. Because like the choices were very underwhelming. And not particularly exciting. There's some spots in there that we're fun. But so here's we'll just we'll just start at pick twenty nine based on our draft rankings where we're at with our boards at this point. There were four players available that made some sense that had high grades for us Jeffrey Simmons defensive lineman from Mississippi State. He toys ACL recently. He's got some some risks. When it comes to. With some off field stuff. And actually we're going to answer. Mill question right now, while we talk bell Jeffrey Simmons at Josh Moyer asks do you think that she's take any risks on players with superior talent? But off-field concerns that caused them to slip in the draft. Personally for me. I think it's going to be difficult for them to do that this year, even with the guy. Geoffrey Simmons, his background is very nuanced. It's a it's a really it's a tough situation something that happened back when he was seventeen I think it's going to be tough for them to do that Craig. Yeah. It's definitely going to be tough to do that again. Jeffrey Simmons is a completely different scenario anal- Madigan into that a little bit more. But anybody that's got any sort of off field problem right now. I don't think the chiefs are going to feel like they can trust them. Like they want them on the squad. They don't want. Anybody? That's going to be a loud distraction in. This locker room at all this Patrick Mahomes team. They wanna keep it that way. And they wanna keep a nice healthy locker room and wanna keep guys on the field. And they've struggled to do that with some of their off you'll concern guys. Yeah. That's the tricky part when it comes the Jeffrey senate's because he's not allowed locker room disrupting kinda guy everybody, Mississippi State, welcome. He spent his three years there. He's kind of one of their leaders terms of community service. He's the guy that they send out to local schools to give motivational speeches and just talk to kids in a help with football programs. He is the face of their program. They sent him to media days. He is their program in they clearly feel like he turned the corner after his bat incident. If anybody doesn't know I think we've talked about it before. But a kind of a few more details he was breaking up fight between his sister. And another woman that lived in the neighborhood. They apparently had beef between the family some kind of feud between the two families. They already didn't like each other. He tried to break up the fight once. It continued the next son. He went to break it up. He ended up hitting the other lady that was fighting sister multiple times while she was on the ground. He has taken all responsibility for it. But he's just seems like he really has the corner. So terms of being team cancer. Or even any kind of worry don't think he is that the issue for the chiefs is that taking a guy that has that background at twenty nine makes him the face of their draft. He is the guy that walks on the podium. I he is the guy that every picture every headline has for tired day. It's not something. I think they can pull off. I would love to say if he was there in the second round they could try to trade up for him because he's that good of a player. But even still don't know what the cream hunt situation, they can make it through that disaster. Right. And I think it is more about the media stuff surrounding it because I do believe in the kid based on everything we've heard to this point. And so that's where it makes it difficult. He's the tenth best player on our board as we sit right now. So that's a guy that I don't think that the cheese can. We'll just move on a little quickly here. Chauncey Gardiner Johnson is available as well. For the chiefs. He's played corner. He's played safety. He's played basically as a nickel four Florida in his time. And really good football player had some tackling issues early in his career, and is really improved those really impressive player. He's got rain. She's got some ball skills. He's got the right mentality. He might be a good candidate. We also have Jerry Tillery on the board. Mattie. Tell me about him actually is an interesting that just came out about Jerry Tillery from Notre Dame here recently, he apparently played at least part of the season with a torn labor, which you never would have guessed watching just the way these attacking offense of Lyman. He's a power Russia on the inside on athlete by any means. But he wins by going through blockers. He gets to one shoulder clubs swims. You've ever had labor issue. That's for the pull off. So just the fact that he was doing that with a portion labor mall year just shows how powerful is this year was Hugh. For him. He'd had a very up and down career. So you've got more consistent this year and looked to be like the forced he flashing years past. So he'd be a guy that she be drafting to get in that rotation the interior. He's not a full-time nose tackle, though. He would definitely be spelling Chris Jones or playing next to him on passing downs that something to keep in mind. In your looking at sets of hurt some Chris Jones, Jerry Tillery cops in the last two players in the Strath that are comp the Christians. It's usually literally five guys they're like all their defensive tackle, they're big and powerful. God be Chris Jones, which is good. That means you know, he's getting out there to the national media now. Just funny. Right. The last candidate that we have is the guy that we're not Craig d Andre baker's people. Why don't you just tell him about tell us about Deandra Baker in kind of where we sit with him right now. We've talked a lot about Deandra Baker because he's a popular name that comes up. So we ended up talking about him a lot again. He's a guy. That's comfortable in most techniques. He's a guy that very solid and just about everything he does. He's just athletically, maybe a little bit limited. We worry about his long speed especially trying to carry vertical routes and he's a little bit small, but he plays with the kind of aggressiveness that you want his ball skills or pretty good his presses pretty good. He just worries me a little bit from from an athletic standpoint. I think that maybe his development will be a little bit capped. He certainly not the highest ceiling cl- guy in this class. But he's probably guy that can come in play day one. And you're not gonna get a ton of corners from this classic and do that. So you can't really be mad at the pick. But his his lack of really true top in ceiling. Definitely makes him our third best corner of the class right now. Yeah, he's kind of safe pick. And I mean, I just don't know that there's a. None of ceiling to them. I'm we're going into this question right now that we have from the mail bag at David Mehta seven asked. It's unlikely to see any value at positions of need for the chiefs at twenty nine feeling is each will move up to get his guy. What would you do? So. Yeah, I think if you look at this scenario right now, the one we're looking at right now, it's trade up all day. And I think that's kind of where we're all right at right now. I know you guys probably agree. That you need to add to that. No. I mean, I think what we ended up doing here. As far as our goes, as we did end up picking de'andre Baker in this thing, he he offered the best value of anything. We would like to move up. But we ended up going ahead and pick and de'andre Chauncey Gardiner Johnson little bit of a fight and a decision. He's really good player, but de'andre safely or and the chiefs Mead for Cornerbacks made him the pick for us. We'll have more go matico. I definitely think that she's kind of have to train out does. So then you're going to see throughout this whole macho did especially in the first round he kind of carried through to other rounds that she's might not be in a great position to make pick that a lot of fans won't right now. Just because a lot of the way boards that we've seen difference places or falling right now. Nobody knows anything yet. It's very important to say, this is pre combine this stuff about the change. Like crazy once free agency starts. And once these athletic numbers go in. So this thing just early, but we'd go with Baker. And it's funny. I'm gonna open up the Komodo here little bit the highest grade on the Andrea Baker all four of us. And I'm the one that fought the most against picking him. It's very weird. These I watched this film like I've watched him plenty of times throughout the last two us and think he was a good plot pretty much spot on with what Craig just said except when I watched him again. I was like, okay. He's very solid. I can't really poke a lot of holes in his game. Besides specifically his size, and there's a few ethnic limitations. You'll maybe little bit over aggression. But nothing that can't be fixed. So the great end up coming out really well, bras. I'm just afraid that he's not going to even be an average athlete for NFL cornerback in that to me just makes you undrafted in the first round. So that's why fought so hard against it. But like they did sit like we were saying he's a safe player his floors, very high even of small athletic player. So he won out over what the board. We were presented with and the bigger could test really well this weekend. And I mean that would change a lot of views that people then my highest grades. Really good. Do you see do you see that athlete? And that he may or may not have on tape though. That's my struggle is. I don't see a guy that has an athletic profile, and I'm excited about profile in. So that's I mean, that's the struggle. So like, even if he tests, well, it doesn't show up to me on tape. And that's kind of where we're stuck. Okay. We're gonna move on to pick sixty one in sixty three a larger pool here on this going to name them all offer a quick at running back. Devon single Terry from Florida Atlantic tied in we got cadence Smith from Stanford Jay stern burger, former Jayhawk now, Texas and Klay them. We we're not allowed. We blew it internal interior offensive line. Gary Bradbury from NC state edges. Chase one of from Michigan. Christian Miller from Alabama de'andre Walker Craig's guy from Georgia at safety one Thornhill at cornerback Lonnie Johnston in just Justin lane guys we made. The right decision. I think going with cornerback in around one. What are we doing here, Mattie? What's our pick at sixty one? So sixty one we're looking at this. And quite simply we can't go away from it. We do have Deandra walkers and option who's Craig's guy at doesn't matter. We got mad sky Christian Miller overruled trag on this one got Baker in the I I get Miller in the second and reality crystals. I think he's the one guy kind of all these players that we have left ear does have Ed rush one potential. He has highest of high ceilings compared to everybody else. He's not there right now there's a little bit of an injury history concerned, but he's the guy that if the cards fall in the NFL he can be kind of the guy that you're looking for. I think that's Lou makes him a little bit higher up on my list than somebody like Walker or one of each. And I think that's fair. We've talked about this. There's some athletic potential with him to. And that's I think that's an important piece of this. We're going to. Have this conversation a few times throughout the draft. But athletic testing is probably the most important at the edge position. There's a correlation between your density adjusted athleticism and being a successful edge rusher and those traits typically go in the first round, and there's a few guys that fall off here and there so Christian Miller at sixty one Craig what we do in at sixty three. Well, sixty three came around looking at the board here. We just took our Ed rusher wont Thornhill is tempting but do something that a lot of people aren't going to like we're going to go with my guy. Justin lane great out of Michigan state. He's really double dipping double dipping at cornerback. In the first two rounds? He's a long guy he six threes. Got a very long wingspan. He's a guy that played both ways at Michigan state is even as recently as last year he played some wide receiver for them. So he has fantastic ball. Skills. He's a guy that's more of a zone corner right now little better off man able to keep his is in the backfield as a press corner. He needs a little help with his foot work. But his length helps him and is lousy him to kind of narrow throwing windows. He's a guy that has that cornerback one upside that maybe de'andre Baker doesn't have. But he's a guy. That's not quite ready yet. So you're drafting a guy in Justin lane that you're hoping maybe in year two is able to start on the outside opposite de'andre Baker. And you have two guys that you're paying pennies to that are both good quality Cornerbacks. And I'll add like, yeah. There is some struggles like in men in in his press, but his length you're absolutely right. Like a couple of place he made on some slants in man coverage like so he still like I mean, there's there's still some ball production even in man coverage. So I I I watched today I really enjoyed at pick ninety two we've got. Running back Dale Henderson from Memphis running back Elijah holy field from Georgia edge Shane's Zimin est from Old Dominion safeties. You got our money. Amani Hooker in Darnell savage at linebacker. Joe Giles Harris from Duke, and actually we're gonna answer another question here at Brandon four twenty two asks I just discovered Jo Giles Harris. He looks like amazing value, pick and willing run stopper. What do you think? Craig? I think that Joe galls Harris is a day one starter at Mike linebacker. He has range he has size. He can cover. He reads his keys quickly. He's a great tackler. This guy is a guy that can come in and start for a team right now he is a round three pick. And he's falling down the way a little bit. You know, I've said multiple times here. That the linebacker classes pretty poor. I actually turned him on a little bit late in the process, and he was very clearly way up the list. He's my fourth linebacker in this class right now behind the big three that everybody knows and Mattie actually loves him as well. He he kinda pointed me in his direction as well. Just from watching him throughout the year matter you got anything more to add on him. No. I think you set it all right there, and like, so big and Carolina. I get to see a lot of games here. Lot about Duke and North Carolina. Football's job very familiar with actually disciplined twice tried to go out and watch football live one time. I did it with child that was under two terrible idea. Don't take your. To your game. Even if it's free bad idea guys but job L stairs. Like she didn't play in either game. I believe it was shoulder injury both times. So that's something to look into. But I don't think it's anything serious. And yet I love his lettuces them in all I love is functional autism and how he uses on the field. Don't always gonna be a super great tester. But he looks very fluid on the field. He's fantastic. And coverage is great is whether it's against a run or dropping back into Xiao's zones. He sees everything. Really? Well, he's kind of like the gin to Anthony Hitchens Yang, and there's a little bit of so ladies in the way that they play their mental kinda guy. They process the game quickly in well, but he's athletic, which kind of the opposite Hitchens people. I be a little bit more finesse than he does physical which again is the opposite Hitchens they kind of play the game. Similarly, but they approach it with the different style. So I think he's kind of great compliment to him. Now. I don't know what you do with Hitchens. Once you make this move. But I'm with Craig he would probably in my mind. He's going to win out. Into days fell as the Mike and he met. Yeah. He's just going to be the future. Mike that's a future pick for certain. I like how said you pretty much summed it all up and then went onto spoil longer than crickets, the getting of this podcast, thirteen minutes off doing your hair. Okay. So. I still all you guys specifically, Mattie several minutes. I have still weighed down on the ledger. Even though I'm enjoying the show. Okay. So what does recap our picks real quick at twenty nine to Dion dre Baker the cornerback from Georgia a little bit reluctantly at sixty one. We went with Chris Miller the edge from Alabama at sixty three. We want the cornerback Justin lane from Michigan state and at ninety two we went with Jo Giles Harris, the linebacker from Duke will come back here to minute, and we will answer your questions in male back. Everybody at chief of the verge. I host podcast every week called the verge my friends, Paul Miller dealer bone. We've got a rotating cast of characters from our entire site, which is about technology, how it impacts culture, and how that is all a big cycle that causes us to have a wide variety of feelings that you can listen to every Friday we've done over three hundred associates six years since avert has been around. But you'll need to listen to one the latest one to get caught up on everything. In tech news virtuous is on apple podcasts. Spotify everywhere else. You listen to podcasts. Check it out. We've got a lot of questions to answer this week mailbag. We're gonna try to churn through them despite Matty's best efforts and we'll start with big red dog ate. He asks if the chiefs go all in like the Rams did last year restructure Houston tag for trade for patch. Peterson etc. How much do you think that hurts us going forward? Is it worth it? I I'm stuck in. I'm stuck in this situation here where I struggle with this. I really like the idea of trying to have a sustained window where we are able to support Mahomes with that thirty forty million dollar contract down the line with quality talent with these draft picks and stuff. So I'm kind of a little I'm I'm soft when it comes to trying to go all in Mattie were you at with you. I would rather go the route where you build a good kind of bass around Mahomes and give them the Aaron Rodgers treatment. And just let you get into the playoffs every year and just hope that Mahomes is having a great stretch to get your Super Bowl rather than try to pay for it. All right now, and then up paying for it in future years the amount of teams that do this don't win the Super Bowl and then fade off in the nothing Cordial's. We're about ready to see what happens at the Rams the Panthers and it really pay for. But they just had a one year they burst up in a couple guys. Couldn't get it back. I don't want to be that team because whether you win you don't win. You're just back to not. As much fun afterwards. Other compete every year going forward, and I'd rather compete every year going forward to but I'm gonna counterargument this. You have Patrick Mahomes. Patrick they were not all in last year. And they were a couple of plays from going to the Super Bowl. If this wins the Super Bowl going all in wins. The Super Bowl gets them over that hump. Let's go. I'm all in. I just want that Super Bowl give it give me one. And we'll deal with that later if they win a Super Bowl great. Yeah. If you guarantee me a Super Bowl shared, but like the Rams just dried it for sure. The Rams had Jared Goff and not Patrick Mahomes, e through let's have you seen the pictures of Donald Craig. I mean, that's the fair counterpoint. Thanks. Biceps? Okay. At at coachie boy five six seven asked the chiefs have eight peaks. How many do they end up making semi number seven. They're going gonna trade up in the first round to try and get a guy for the reasons that we talked about in the first segment, and then they're gonna stay put the rest of the picks. Yeah. Seven as well. They might I think they're going to trade up in the first or second round. They're going to have to give up another mid round pick. And then get a later mid or late round pick back for it. But they're gonna come away with seven. They're not taking takes absolutely no way in. My gimme six I'm saying VH, feats trades. A couple of sevens for a six again. Like he did last prices right move. By Kent wonder you guys. I almost said nine. Lease give dared de pig. Asks would you trade for Jalen Ramsey if so what would that take to trade him for him? I think that Jalen Ramsey kind of sets the bar little bit higher than Marcus Peters. Did Marcus Peters was the second and fourth. Jalen ramsey. I think is a little bit better. I do and I don't know that the Jaguars are necessarily trying to get rid of him. So I think you'd have to come and get him. I think that he's at least a I if not I am a little bit more to go up and get him for that amount. I don't think that I would you've got one cheap season and one fifth year option for him. I just don't know that that's worth it. Yeah. I think the same thing if the Jaguars went out and started shopping. Jalen Ramsey light that she's doing with Marcus Peters. And you'd get a same general kind of hall all took to get him and be all about it. But not a lease Ramsey better player. He is. A lot less of don't want to say head case. But a headache for the team that he's going to be employing. He's he's a little mouth. He gets out in the median some teams don't like that. But he's not causing any actual issues with the team. And whether you know, Marcus Peters was was he was causing issues between the coaching staff, and at least him, so there's a little bit there that don't think Jalen Ramsey is. So I would trade form if it was that same kind of deal at anytime cost a lot more. I think you're looking at multiple first-round, thanks to get this. He's been not good not as yet back to back you. So it's too much. I think the price would be pretty high. I mean, if it was just this year's I in a third I think about it. Because if you're telling me, I can have de'andre Baker for four years, and or or Jalen Ramsey for too. I mean, I just got done saying, I probably wouldn't go all in. And I don't even know if that's an all in having him for two years. I mean that dude's a stud, so I'd think about it. But I I think it would be more than a first and third honestly. At two pillow dough and asks on a scale of one to ten house surprise. Would you be if the cheese took an offensive tackle in the first round, Mattie? Fifteen ten I know it's kind of a cool work to look at the contracts and see like you can get out aired Fisher's contract after this year or even going into this year if you really wanted to but after next year's having an offense tackle sit behind him and figure out what's going on his feet, wet looks fun. But this team is in dire need of help on the defense. And even if you want to go to the offense, they're going to be looking for somebody that can do anything immediately for them, which is not an offense tackles and deal. And don't think this is the year you're looking for often to tackle to replace somebody in the future, maybe next year, depending on how draft free agency goes. But this us just a year too early based on how close the same as winning a Super Bowl. Yeah. I I'm a exact same sentiments as Matt there. Even though this is really good offensive tackle class. I mean, there's a lot of really good ones in this class. Just not taking a guy to have him sit. And you're probably not going to cut Eric Fisher. And try and start a rookie to protect Patrick Mahomes. I just don't see that happening. Then the cheese have I mean, not tackles, but they found you know, good value long offense of line lately. So I mean, Pat Mahomes has been able to deal with, you know, undrafted free agents in in guys off the waiver wire protecting him. So I think you're fine at Jayhawk eleven AM asks the favorite your favorite under appreciated cheese player from the past. Mark me down for Tony Richardson. So I wasn't gonna say mighty mouse. But I'm just going to give a shout out a bunch of my coaches from college so Anthony Davis shadow Anthony Davis shutout Jonathan Queen shout out eighty kinison shout out doing Clinton's. All my guys. So they guys for teaching me about football. You. I love you. San of Dula for me. I always thought he was rated for those teams. I thought he was such a big factor in the chiefs did have some form of defensive successes us way was here. He was that pocketknife piece that made everybody thinks that Bob Sutton, loved three safeties in. That's how it worked was because of the scene of Dula Hussein Abdulah was going to be mine as run around was Dan, Sally Mua. I don't think you got enough respect in that front. He he was a hell of a player. I was happy to see him get inducted into the ring of honor also shutout Kimble. Anders if forgot. He's there for one year is my guy. I had his action figure. It was really cool. I was like star striker show like practice or camp with his action figure. No, I asked for his autograph. I'm just kidding. Ed McKinsey asks once Landon Collins is wearing the proper uniform. Sorry, I'm sorry for two Ryan Scott hall for mentioning late in Landon Collins every time. How well or poorly? Will he pair with Armani? Watts we've discussed it a little bit Armani. Watts is going to struggle little bit to find a home in Spagnolo's defense where there are defined roles for the safeties. They have a box safety, and they have a deep safety Armani isn't as rangy as you would like for a deep safety, especially if they in single high locus, and he's not gonna play the box safety overland and Collins, that's what he's made to do. So I don't know that our Mani what's really pairs very well with him. I think that they'd have to go out and find a guy or try and trust Jordan, Lucas is going to improve enough to be your single high deep safety back there. I think that they'd have to find somebody. I see unkind of on the same boat with our money. Watts. I do think George Lucas could be that kind of single high safety. It's not really a single happy. Fac? He might be. He might be coming back and listen. The locomotive is on his way to so money. What Hughes she's station news? The issue with Irani watts. His athletic profile is so incredibly poor for a starting safety in the NFL anybody that wants to see visualize you go to mock draftable dot com. Emo- C K D R A F T AB L E put in his name Wookey his spider chart. It is completely centered around the middle. He is in the under twenty percentile of nearly every athlete testing metric besides his broad vertical, jump what that tells you. He's got a good first. Maybe second step in a straight line when he has to change directions run long distances or simply just starting stop. It is not good at onto that. He's a smaller framed guy that had a ton of tackle troubles in college. He's not going to play in the bucks. That's not going to be what his forte. He's big enough. He's not a good enough. Tackler? You're gonna put him. Back. Deep with limited long speed struggling to change directions. And it got super aggressive. How do you expect him to cover from? It's not even silently decide on its number two number hash. Even hash to hash is going to be difficult for him at the way, he changes directions at this point in time. And that's a small area. Right. He's not a single high safety cover to safety guy needs to take half the field. Maybe play some robbers Robert zone that we he'd get his hands on the ball. He's very good with the bowl getting his handle the ball when he sees it in front of him. But he cannot play deep right now. He's not big enough or good enough tap and plan the box pairing with any other safety is a star in the system is going to be difficult because they need to be good at one specific thing. He's kind of jack-of-all-trades doesn't fit any profile a player that excels in that position. Yes. So I think in less we see like major, you know, adjustments to what Steve Spagnolo is done, historically. This is not a guy that makes sense has best plays. Whereas a robber that I saw. And I was I was reading my art like my art. Ical on our money. Watts when he was drafted. It was like, you know, if you can get downhill if he doesn't have to change directions he's made some plays. But if there's any, you know, he's terrible in open space. Like, I just there's so many rough snaps of him in college trying to break down in tackle a guy, and he just could not do it. So it's gonna be interesting to see what happens with our money. Watts. If spaniel tries to incorporate him if. What happens with him moving? Forward is going to be interesting at Scott Sather asks Sammy Watkins in our third round pick for in Tonio Brown. Would you pull the trigger? No. I would not Sammy Watkins is good at football until you Browns. Browse kind of a problem right now. Like, he's a mess. I don't want to deal with him. And I don't want to give up an asset to take on that contract. I don't even really know if the contract makes sense, I have no I don't I didn't look at over the cap before this the answer is no. So in Tokyo Brown's off-field stuff is a big like some of the draft prospects. We're gonna talk about Jeffrey Simmons that we talked about earlier in this podcast. But you wanna talk about a guy that tears locker rooms apart right now that is in Tonio Brown to this. This is going off the burger and Livy I'm Bill Antonio Brown has gone off to complete depend right now. I honestly don't know if he's mentally stable enough to play football. I don't see his moustache. I don't know. What did you see his interviews on radio row, you them? Wow. So this guy struggle right now, he needs a new he needs a new scene. But I don't think Kansas City needs to be at all. And I would take Sammy Watkins over him right now even on the field. Just because what Tonio Brown's gonna do just to put this in perspective, the kids the City Chiefs were take a five million dollar cap hit for trading Sammy Watkins and would inherit a twenty one point one million dollar cap hit for Antonio Brown. That would be twenty six million dollars for Antonio Brown next year. Derek Carr money, keep his mustache yellow with the red and yellow he could he'd have to add a little little red in there. But no, that's a no you can't nobody wants that. Contract. Nobody wants it at all don't. Yeah. That's a no ever since. He was in the God's plan. Video with Drake. It's just been downhill from there. Stacey Meyer asks how can I bide my time until football season. Well, Stacey mud I suggest the KC draft guide can find it. You can give pre-ordered. On gummed us yo slash Casey draft promo code nerd will be. I mean, we'll be here. We'll be talking chiefs. We'll be talking immersed yourself in free agency. Immerse yourself in the NFL draft. That's what we're doing. And honestly, I think this season might be busier than the season at times a Edita. Sorry AK Cody asks, do you think the chiefs are going to bring back Keith Reeser dude is arguably be arguably the best defensive back in the AFC in veep seem to love him during love him coming into the season would add some nice depth at a position of need for chief. We are an af pod. Now, fellas. Because we're answering one question about the af one question, you haven't read you haven't read ahead guess show. But this is the first one here Keith research, very good. Br ve each really enjoyed him. He just didn't really get the opportunities in Bob Sutton scheme. I think that he's a guy that makes a lot of sense to be on an NFL roster going into training camp this year and trying to fight and find a find a home somewhere the fact that he's playing so well in the af I think that he's going to be a little more expensive. I think some teams might get into a small bidding war now. Again, we're not talking very much money, but might get into a little bit of a bidding war for Keith Reeser to have him come in and be a training camp body and try and win a spot. So yet, I'm not a hundred percent, sure. If I think we gonna come back to Kansas City or not entirely new defensive coaching staff a thing that they would get a little bit of the safe. They're gonna try to bring somebody back obviously each gets the final. Say I don't know if he's the best fit or expect or anybody's watched him and named want him back when I really interested to see though is what happens with af kind of after the season's over it relates to the NFL. How many guys do get a chance to move up to people get tryouts house? Like, look if it's going to really be developmental league. Someone's gotta breakthrough. I and do we really think Keith research is the guy that's going to be the first one to break through. I don't know what a fantastic transition. Matthew. You're getting very good at this. At Brandon four twenty two asks who will be the first player for the af to be called into the NFL things for sending it back to make it. I'm gonna go with Luis Perez. There's already been a little bit of buzz about him. I think player coming out of college. Some people really did like him. He just you can see these out there playing. He does some really nice falls. You know, he's got a lot of work to do as a quarterback. But I think quarterbacks going to be the first one to make the breakthrough just because they're showcasing enough out there to be a third string quarterback Lewis president. Now's look the best of me. I think he's going to get the shot the most early on especially said, you've heard the buzz already well being a Memphis express fan that I asked there's one one there's no one on the on the Memphis. Rare burgers getting shot in the NFL next season because the NFL needs quarterbacks and they just need dudes and bird through two passes and look half decent at the end of the game this past weekend. So I'm going with burger he couldn't beat out hackenberg. For like the first two I'm blaming Mike single Terry for that. That's a major coaching air. I just the honeymoon's over. I literally picked them. If is expressed because I love Mike single Teri, and I'm already done with. Well, I I was gonna say Gary goat Burt aka Garrett Gilbert A R A, aka the F while that's a mouthful most valuable players. Idle there three no baby. And he's lighten it up. Give me let's go Charles Johnson from from the Orlando Apollo's. He's played will. I'm a fan of what he's done to this point. I mean, he was he was kind of a fringe roster will player already I thought. So I mean, the fact that he's playing there is a testament to the quality of competition in the quality of players. They may require it the af level yet. So one thing real quick Lewis says he wasn't undrafted free agent signing into the rans when he went undrafted guess who was the quarterbacks. Coach for the Rams Zack Taylor who's now activity coach for the Cincinnati Bengals whom they may not have some. Zac, taylor. Okay. So there we connection. Also, another defensive player. I wanted to out there Trittin Thompson. He's even to Georgia. I had a third round grade on them last year in the draft. He had to me issues to maybe push them out of the NFL. I don't know. How guys talented is. He was didn't even get a shot in the NFL. So he would be a non cornerback option. I would look at early on a good call very good. Call third grade as well. And so I don't know what that says about me, maybe we shouldn't be mentioning that. I don't know small knees. Yeah. You we go. H Webb twenty nine says, I've probably way too late to get this question. But I haven't had I reading I'm reading this. I should just get to the question ship. Sorry. My question is why are we thinking about cutting Hughes? Justin, Houston and tagging Ford. Why isn't it Houston over Ford? So and SWEB went onto breakdown on his initial tweet to us here. The difference in money spent by keeping Ford and cutting Houston vice versa and essentially ended up saving four million dollars by keeping Houston letting forego. My issue was that loaf over keeping Fordline. He's say my issue with that is you're then tying yourself to the at least plateaued, but maybe slightly regressing player for one more year that you know, has zero chance to be back after that year giving his contract at least with d Ford. It may cost you four or five million dollars more. He is a sending whether or not you wanna talk about it being a contract year or he just finally was healthy. He is still on his way up. He has been every year the NFL besides the one year where he missed it all with the actual back injury. He's a sending and there's always a chance if he stays healthy again balls out again, he could come back to the chiefs on longer term deal. So there's a long term play that it's still available that you don't have. Houston, and it's actually two point four million dollars. I believe is the savings. So. Yeah, I mean, I think the the real question becomes for that amount of money. Who's the better player like it's not such a discernible amount of money that you've got to worry about it against the cap. They can cut Xavier Williams and make up that two million dollars immediately. And so I think d- Ford fits in this defense, really really really well. And I've seen some people bring up some some injury concerns and things like that just in Houston has the same injury concerns. You don't know if that guy's gonna be there for you all season long Di for just recently completed sixteen games. I mean, if they believe in that back, and they believe that he's a guy that can play another sixteen games. He's the guy. That's the last met said the ascending player. So I think you gotta go with d Ford. I mean, just in Houston. Miss more time the default. Last year. So I mean, just saying real quick at sheafs board asks assuming trade up to say eighteen who is the best fit on the board for that pick. So I'll just just theorize just some names that I think that she would trade up for real quick. We got Byron Murphy, We got Brian burns. We got jaycoe polite. We got greedy Williams. I would I'd throw it all over in there. But I mean, that's just me. I I love it. All good football player. He's going to be a top five player on our board figure it out like that's just my stance. It's gonna be my stance at chief boy are DIGI last question who are some brilliant speaks type picks that will leave you disappointed with the draft. In other words, who would you hate to see the chiefs take that you've seen mock to us, Mattie, so difficult one for me because speaks was so far down my board. I act last year, I actually just stopped grading him. It sounds like this is not. Not worth the time. So to find a pig that poorly don't think is going to be possible this year, but I'm to say Jalen, Ferguson, if the chiefs go and Jaylen Ferguson in the first two rounds, he kinda falls in that same room speaks to me. Don't think using to be an impact in the NFL not a hundred percent sure where you play him. I don't think he's gonna provide that outside pass rush that you would expect out of a first or second round pick. So he's going to be my guy. He's a decent player. He's got some things that you like, but just at that early in the draft. I want a lot more out of unedu- a guy that I've seen. I don't really hate a lot of the round one guys that that have been balked to us lately. I d Andre baker's probably the lowest down on that list. I still don't don't dislike de'andre Baker, obviously. But a guy that I've seen a lot in round two Trayvon Mullen. I just think that he's a guy that can do a little bit of everything. But based on the other guys that tend to be available there. Our warrior, Joe Juan Williams guys like that. I think I like their upside more. I think I like what they can offer more. So I feel like a guy like Trayvon Molin kinda like brilliant speaks. You're looking at the rest of the board and thinking I wish we could have gotten a little better value. Maybe a little higher ceiling than somebody like that. For me. It's it's a box safety from Washington named Taylor rap. I just he's he's a fine football player. He's not a super dynamic guy. He is a true box safety in his most of Sern -able trait is that he is probably the best tackler in the draft. I don't think he's over athletic. I don't think he's got upside as a coverage player. I don't think that he could play man against tight end. He's a very good tackler. I think he's got some pretty good instincts. It would be an extremely over underwhelming move for me to see them get a guy like him. Just and it's gonna happen. I mean, that's. That's that's good to be the plane is going into this draft this year just expecting that. He's gonna hate every single pick that way when they're picks that he likes. He could just go up down there. He's not setting the bar high. He's sitting at super-low. All right. All right. She still get Landon Collins, they need a buck safety. Do they draft Taylor rap or John Abram Jonathan Abram Atta Mississippi State, I would go with Jonathan Abram. I'd probably too low on him. I actually have wrapped graded rated higher than him right now. But I think Jonathan Abrams I think I'll wind up higher on Jonathan Abram than I will wrap. But I I wouldn't want them in round one. I don't want. I don't want either those guys right one. Do we really going around one either one of those guys? Dave bit mach. They're a lot. I think Abrahams has an outside chance because he might test pretty silly. And we'll get into that. It'll be a draft show later this week talking about defensive combine stuff. However, yet there's a chance I think for Abram there's a path. So I can we don't you think how about that wonderful transition? We'll talk to you next. We'll talk to you on Friday with the draft show talking about the defensive side of the football previewing the combine side of the defense. That's it for this week. Thanks for listening. We will catch you later. Tuning maybe on the host. Maybe the host. We have no host just never know. 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