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Quickie: I Finally Have A Girlfriend, by Francis
Today is a Monday quickey on KFC radio Friday. We were talking about the Elbaum. Yes, when to say it, should you say it? How should you say it? And it was based on the real life trials and tribulations of one Francis Ellis as the microphone fall over final burnt whole shit. I remember my first podcasts quite a cough. I remember my sheet like a fucking. What was that on the Richter scale guy knocking things over. That was ridiculous. The fuck was no man. It's backward. I forgot what happened when I told my girlfriend, I loved her. And so hard. We have a reaction. So Francis is in a new relationship and and he wrote the blog saying he after a couple of weeks said, dropped the album. But before we even get into that, we, I think the over overwhelming vibe here with this situation and really you in general, is you never know what's real and what's not, and it's brilliant this way you've set yourself up. It's brilliant. There are. There's three as far as I can tell. There are two different ways to handle personal life app are still one is what like Dan does, which is complete. Quintin quiet behind the scenes. Do not involve any of that. Then there's you, which is the more transparent open involve the pro, do not recommend. Now I've got this third strategy which is like create so much noise and bee's blurring the lines so much affection reality that nobody knows what thrill and it's kind of makes you feel safe aspirations. Go on Trump with it. There's a word for it. What is it like is it is not gas lighting now, I mean, it's not equivocating or I'll figure it out, but it's where you like, fill the world was so much gas leading, I guess nobody. Everyone kind of think they're crazy for believing or not believing it right. Nobody knows why gas. Never was gas lighting is we'll play. Is it. John are very much uninformed on gas gasoline is based on a play, the name of the play. But it's based on a play where a husband is old and play, obviously where the husband is changing the like the gas lights to make his wife thinks she's crazy. So she's, he's always changing the darkness almost Ozark ask, he's training the darkness or the brightness of the house to think and being like, what are you talking about? No, it's normal right now. Cool. So you got the wrong people all fucking mixed up. What you said is true. I mean there I never. I think the differences between me and Dan are based on what we expected this job to be like, I think Dan, I think more so Dave, Dave as always known. He was going to be famous and rich, and I don't know whether it's the chicken or the egg. Maybe that's why it happened or maybe you haven't because that way, but I never thought we would be this big. So I was okay with putting my personal shot there had I known just how much how much. We were going to get, I probably would have played it a little closer to the vast. Interesting. And then I mean, obviously, I never expected that I'd be like in people magazine like we'd ever be on that level, but we are so that I, I was the only person Joseph you and that's actually. I'll I'll get married to. It's also level. I think it's a level of talent to lake. I mean, part of my success like all of my success is just being like open and relatable, and like I tell the truth and I sometimes I think if I didn't tell that you're like Dan has this like PMT's this character driven, you know, satire thing, whereas me, it's like, yes, me question under to tell you the truth. And so sometimes I'm like, I wish I did play a little more close to the vest, but I also think like our podcasts might disappear if we were just like, I, I don't. We don't. We're not as like satirically talented as Dan PFC. There's does this the fact you know, like I think we're funny making fun of ourselves and our own world. You have to be very truthful to do exactly just do that. So I, I mean, up until this year I always loved it and the I took the good with the bad, but the bed was really never that bad. Now, the bads terrible and I'm like, oh, what have I done? But I think what you've done is good because it's like nobody thinks of you as a character is now. He's you are Francis a made up person, but it's like, this is true, not true. It keeps them on think I'm crazy, but and I think I think I, you know, but. Comedian is definitely real life experiences and then adding a little bit. Yeah. You're telling a true story that friends experiment. It's also he's basically telling you you tell your friends, you tell you when you tell your friends of story, you're exaggerating adding some other things a little better or a little worse, whichever serves you better. And I mean, that's that's what it is and that that's what we do here. You're talking to your friends and it's it's very, very normal. As far as I'm concerned right now, you're doing it in relationship world so you you are in fact in a relationship in real life. Yes, I am. Thank you. I'm very excited. I'll show you guys a picture of her. She's great, super pretty. She's very smart, and I like her quite a bit so much so that I, I love her. I do love the squirrel, and I'm very excited about. Are you? Okay, so you and you did drop the did tell her that? Yeah. And how how did you do that? That was one important factor that we kind of how you what I'm sorry, I might have mentioned the blog. I I haven't read. No, I didn't. I didn't mention it in the blog. The blog kind of used that idea as a springboard for a to become an essay on on relationships away also on on saying love and like what is the proper time period to wait. Because if you think about it, the the biggest reason to hold out on saying, I love you is to maintain power in the relationship and also because leverage, yeah, you know, it's like already. She has a lot of the power because unfortunately, I have established a precedent where I typically pay for almost everything including sending her home in Auburn. Whenever she comes over to visit me, I don't know how we got there as really stupid idea. I don't trust her as an ambassador for my Uber rating. I don't know. She is racist or is this people she's driving with. Anyway, but without without the idea of her racism without knowing whether or not she is racist you, you're still ready, but I love you. Enough you. You can wake up tomorrow morning and she took your pillow pillowcases off, cut holes in them, and she's a sleeping in that already. L. on her weight. I don't want to hurt her feelings. This KKK grand wizard roll with it. And the important part is I haven't proposed, right? So love is not a contract. You know, it's words. Those are words spoken like a boyfriend. I think this is very argument. I say, love all the time, and I don't necessarily mean it much just say, like I said, I love you too. I don't know how many I haven't kept track of it, but a fair amount of women who while we're having sex, how many guys? Wow, that's different. As the first time? No, never the first time. Like I'm fucked up and drunken. We're having sexes, passionate moment. Yeah, slip out. I don't go into it thinking like, I love her during this, but sometimes John John stuffing. I love you. John Simpson. That's a great point. There's no time where it's harder to not say, I love you then during sex. Exactly. Yeah. I said on Fridays, podcasts that I like during sex, I might say anything. I might tell you, I'll pay your student loans. I don't know. The job. Absolutely anything. If I think it will enhance the moment. You wouldn't mention that be held accountable for what they said during sandy. The same thing. We shouldn't have microphones on courts during games. You know, it's like the heat of the moment. The heat. Passionate anything can fly out. Everyone participating understands that, but the people outside don't write. But what you guys you guys are saying is very logical. I understand it, but we're men and girls are different. So it's not just words to them, and it's not something you just say in the he is known as a man woman thing, I think it's, I think. I think it's, I think. Very true. I mean, yeah, sure. Maybe maybe stereotypical speaking short. Everyone internalize no-doubt we do. I want to realize. I think I think there are plenty of men who she'd loved me. She said, she loves me. I'm deficit, but I think overall in general, I think. Let's it more specific couple of handsome men sit in here, right? Handsome and we get it. If you're an uglier man, usually get someone tells you, they love you, you, you're in. Well, also, I think that men typically lead the charge on saying they're the ones who break that boundary is I? Well, actually at one time it was yes. You're telling me that more women have dropped the Elbaum with you, I than you have with them when no, it's it's me I when again, we're talking about, yeah, I've said it many, many times. So I'm I guess I'm usually leading the charge, but in serious moments. No, not I, I'm not. I think it's more often guys, but it's almost much like a proposal like it's on the guy did do it, right, but the girl is like waiting for. She's been thinking for six months and she's waiting to be able to tell her friends, Johnny tan. I love you last night. So it's like it's not like, I don't think what happens is a guy being like, I love you and girl being caught off guard like, oh, should I say it back or not? She's usually waiting for it, but the guy you're right, might have to be the one to say, no. In my defense, I had felt like saying this for a week leading. Up to it and I was holding on. The whole life you've been dating? Yeah, I think girl she's unbelievable. It's it's. It's like I, it had such a weird world where I don't believe in love at first sight, but I believe in love and first week. Okay. I think you know saying, I think you you very, I don't think if I'm walking by on the street, like I love that girl, but I think you, you come to the understanding with yourself pretty quickly that busy either someone who is going to be the fuck out of my life very quickly or someone want here for a long time. And it's very fair because I spent three years after my like I've been in one serious relationship for seven years in my life. And then that ended about three, maybe three and a half years ago. And since then I've dated a handful of women for months at a time, some some for six, eight months, whatever. And I did say, I love you too one of them, but I don't think I meant it. It was just like we'd been dating for four months, say owed it to her. Right. Entitled bitch that she was. The others, like there were women that I dated for for significant parents of time spent lots of time with that. I never felt this even after like one week with this current girl. I did not feel that way after months day on the other. So that made me feel like I was more just in delivering. Now. How did you do it? Well, we were clothed, which I think is important and we were sober to vary controlled. No, yeah. And we were on my couch and we were like, you know, sort of making out and we talk a lot. We talk in hushed tones. Oh yeah, about issues relationship voice kind of us. Yeah, but he lies, you got a dog. She said the other day, when you talk to your dog, you have a voice and you have a relationship guy. Do you do? You might not realize that you do? I write, I'll take no love her. Her three years. And I've got another apartment. I write love letters to her, like out loud to her face. Okay. So you writer my favorite things and she she can handle herself came over, speaking of I wrote or something. Do you mind if I share this? Actually, she listens to all your shit. She doesn't really. Although the she did read that blog yesterday, and I think that was the first one that she'd read. She's got a new job Marsal she does, but she doesn't consume our content, which is, I think is for the best, but she might doubts good bounce. I know who you are. I don't want to. I wrote her a poem and I hope it's okay if you guys let me share it. Really sure. Yeah. Now, let me just say before you start like this. This is where I don't know like this really are more like the end of it's going to be like he chops their head off and buries her in the basement or something. I never know. It's it's very, it's touching. I think you'll put a romantic. All set the tone gray. Okay, it's it's called, I finally have a girlfriend. I finally have a girlfriend. I had finally have someone. I finally feel great about my life. And finally, I'm happy so happy that I found her that someday I may make her my wife sometimes I think about how great it is to know I'd cry if a group of bad guys from eastern Europe ever took her life, I'd weep for a day or two at punch through a couple of walls, but after that I'd collect myself and I'd make a couple calls, I'd mastermind emotions, I channel all my hate. I'd learn eastern European languages so that I could converse eight at some in the ancient spirits from the ruins at macho peach you. I'd achieve a black belts in Brazilian jujitsu. I learned to change my skin tone to blend in with the night. I'd only walk on tiptoe in shadows out of sight. I'd rarely ever x. hail at shave all my body hair. They're never be a trace of me no disturbance in the air. And then I'd buy black-market gun. Guns and knives with jagged sides. I'd learned to talk to animals so they could give me rides. I'd hack into the NSA and memorized the locations, Volva guys who killed my bride. I'm about to make castrations. I'd find them in a tiny hut hiding in Mauritius. I'd speak to them as a friend so they don't feel suspicious. And just when they relaxed their guard, I pull out my silencer gun. I shoot them all right in the balls to buy fucking one. I'd let them bleed out, slow and nice as I tickle them with my blade that was four. My lovely wife who's life you took away. Then I lay my blade on an open flame until the steel glowed red, and I'd carve her name into their necks out of deference to the dead. I finally have somebody somebody I like that much. Like I said, you never know. Gonna go talk. You love. You love for killed. Everybody else. I wrote that for less. Is this going to be the first time she's heard this or have you said it's her? I've never said it to her really high. When I wrote it last night. Seeking? I, that's how strongly I feel about. She died tomorrow at learn all the skills and exact revenge. It's all incredible and very heartfelt and real, except you ain't blending in the night everyone. That's true. Not in that black face. Disagree with her. Step over that. That's true. Love. So, yeah, man, listen your love. I think so. I wasn't sure if she would. She said, well, so I said it. I said, I think I said, I love you, and I'm in love with you, which is two things. Yeah, which is a nice way to double down and cement the meaning. And she kissed me, and then she backed off for a second and looked at me and said, I love you. Were you thinking in the moment she kissed you that maybe like shit, maybe this is her way of stalling? No. There wasn't a more where you said and you were like, you know, it's one of those things where even if she hadn't said it back to me, I would have been okay. Yeah, because they're going well enough that, yeah, I said to you, would you not reply. I think I think no matter what I might you moment. I know I'll deal with this later. Probably look. There's so many things in the world. I'd do to avoid awkward. Silence. No, no, no, yeah. I'm just saying if it if someone said, I love you to me, I'm saying, I love you back. You know, maybe I wouldn't go kill all those bad guys. Maybe she doesn't know. But to your point, if God forbid a a woman ever like proposed to me at Disney World, I would say yes. And then then after the fact. That's why I'm not on the same. Like in the office duality when Michael proposes to Carol. And is, is Carol? Yeah, it's Carol and she. Can we talk about this in private as really? Yes. Right? Right, right. That was bullshit. I mean, you know, to be honest, if you are, if you ever find yourself in a position where you proposed and you don't know that it's a one hundred percent. Yes coming. You're mean you're crazy like they have to. You can't surprise that. You know there's ever a chance that you're getting a. No, not question. The other piece of that is that nowadays I feel like every guy I know is basically like planning it and then getting the fee, the girls expectations for a ring. Oh yeah, they're all making their own fuck and ring, but you know what? And as much as that might take the romance out of it, if you're going to go drop like twenty grand on a ring. Sure to know that you're going to get the right thing. So like it's so practical now as opposed to like, you know, romantic spontaneous. I've been with more sense. I guess that's true. It takes it takes a storytelling out of it. It makes more sense. Fortunately is not a movie, it's not a romantic comedy yet, and I think a lot of people realize that now you know, people move into gather out of financial reasons. York specific. I feel like you know that type of where it's like, yeah, I'm in love with you, but also we have to be like logical about this yet. We all still, they also feel like the proposal in the ring and all that needs to be like Disney. It's like, no, if you want something specific fucking tell me I'm not gonna play guessing game with the single largest expense I'm ever going to commit right now. So there is this level with saying it the question, how you do it of practical and logical versus the romance of it. All right. It sounds like you in that little happy, medium where it's like it wasn't, you know, a fucking fireworks. You know it was just, I said, it was good. We're good to go. Yeah, that's ballsy to just kind of look at her and kiss her, say. It's like if we weren't having sex, I think I would say it. I don't. I said it. Within Sierra sincerity, three times maybe. And I think every single time we were having fun and I, I something. I've always, I've always said that like sex, like I love you. Sex is like, I always I like to laugh and have fun during sex, and I think like fucking around on the couch, like teasing each other and the you like, yeah, yeah, yeah, throw man. That. It's throwing a safety blanket out for yourself. It's like someone suicidal by a bridge in the fucking firefighters are throwing out that huge. Fucking bouncy thing. Yeah, I'm jumping and then there's the NYPD below the f. d. n. y. below with the fucking bag. Right. That's gonna catch me just in case, love you, bro. I've always wanted to like, I'm a suicide attempt just for the sake of jumping in one of those things. Josh. Around. I'm a fine guys need to go to the hospital. Here I go. Well, I'm happy it all worked out for you, man. It sounds like you know now and. Back to, you know, putting your business out there versus keeping quiet, you know. Did she know that you wrote the blog on like is dropping? Has there been a conversation with YouTube about like I'm gonna to personal is out there. Okay with it was interesting. Actually, we had a conversation earlier in the evening. Before I had planned to say that to her before I had any idea. I was going to write the blog about who I am at barstool and some of kind of like the the running jokes that I have, hey, you wanna fuck Frank that and like, you know, like murdering women and you know, stuff like that. And and I just said, look, what what you have to understand is that there is a lot of character driven stuff, and you should just assume that one hundred percent of the things I say our said, ingest for the sake of entertaining an audience and that imagine because she came to my stand up show over the weekend and afterwards. I was like, you know, what did you think? Which I shouldn't have asked? And she was like, I, I loved it. You went some places that I wouldn't have. And I was like, well, we'll give course like, I'm a, I'm on the phone. I'm on the fucking stage. Yeah. You know, and like I, I play with race, I play with sexism. I play with all these hot button, tight rope issues, and the average person you don't expect them to you. Right. So you know, it's like I think she'll become. She seems very cool that like she, she seems to get it. It'll be interesting to see if it wears on her. Yeah, for me, one of the more important things is like that question of like, all right. Will we ever posted an Instagram where I tag you and then back to whole new level of light? I've never done that if I ever will. Yeah, I mean that all unfolded in like I'd never had a moment where I was like, I'm going to should I do this or not? Because when I did it it, we were still pretty small time. There's nothing to worry about. And then all of a sudden we're grandfathered into this life like quote, unquote fame, and I again, had I had a little more foresight I probably would have had more conversations and I wish I did because it ended up kind of being our downfall where like especially our our show, I mean, how many times was I rag on married life and relationship life? And I would say ninety percent of them were all things that I think every guy has gone through something. Something a little more Taylor, you know, our personal situation. But for the most part, every time there was a fight. I was like, listen, every girl fucks up the toothpaste tube. It's not an you not making fun of you, but making fun of relationships. But you know, it used to like really upset and hurt her. And I was always kind of like, it's what I do for work to shut up, does deal with it, like, why don't you get it? And rather than kind of dress it, you know? So I mean, I, I always thought it's kind of, I mean, best of luck to you, but I think it's kind of crazy to try to do the relationship thing as barstool currently is. But I think if you're going to do what you have to do it, like it's not normal. I actually my main downfall was that I tried to, I said to myself, I'm going to live a normal life. I'm going to get married at the normal time. I'm going to have kids. I'm gonna watch. Dave do his thing, and I was like, I don't want that. I'm gonna just be normal and I just did not admit to myself that this lifestyle normal. It's just not the job isn't the life isn't. So you can't force normalcy into it. I. I think the picture is a big thing. I think I think that's where hitting the once you can always have. I did it for, you know, however long I did it. We're just talking about the girl, the right things in general, and it was always about a specific girl, but it was like, for, you know, for Lyle which is like I had a girlfriend, and I would say like, girls do this and left it very open. The anyone even knew I had a girlfriend until adopt. Yeah, I loved it very open. But I think at like, I probably could have said my girlfriend for most of those, but I think once you add a picture and you can you give everyone and it's not even really like like fans or stories or fucking communist. Whatever the fuck you wanna call everybody. I think it's it's them with no one understands the power. It's almost like staying like hurricane Florence is coming right now. Right? And people I got this. Don't worry about it. I'm fine. I'm boarded up. I'm and then a category by hurricane comes and you're like, holy shit. Yeah, I did not prepare for that. Right. And I think everyone in the world kind of things like words, don't bother me. I don't care what you say. The internet is not a big deal. You and you're like, holy fucking shit. I was. Not realize what that was about. I, it'll, it'll, I mean, especially, like you said you, you know, your sense of humor is low. Probably a little more in line with with mine where you're like, like Dan doesn't touch the topics we touched. So it's a lot easier I would imagine. But when you got your girls in the crowd and you're talking about like tied her up with duct tape, it's like, I mean, the one of the biggest things was I was when I was on comedy central, and I made that joke about beyond say's pregnancy pictures like we had, I had joked with her about like how pregnancy pictures are gross and weird, but that was in our house. And I said it on TV with a pregnant wife, and she was like, what the fuck do was like. But we made those jokes, but you can't. You know, I always try. I, I didn't did not take the private public. Well, I think if you hold hands throughout the whole process and discuss it the whole time, maybe you know it takes. It'll take a special girl who can handle it, but you have to be communicated all the time. You just have to be. Yeah, exactly. So clear about it. And I think for me. I, I, it's either saying like, don't watch anything I do or don't look or wash anything I do unless you are sure that you can get it and you handle understand that that just take all his fiction, take it all one hundred percent as a one man show on Broadway. I'm an actor. It's been scripted for me. And if you came and saw me, do that performance, you would never be like, oh my God. You talked about rape and murder and all this, and that really who you are now. That was the first thing I told my mom. Yeah, I said, if you're gonna read it, read it as a kind of person that I believe the dated reference. I believe I said, you know, Angelina Jolie doesn't get mad and Brad, Pitt kissing another woman gets that it's part of the thing. So I told him if you're ever gonna look at barstool get that. And the thing that it's a little, it's a little different, I guess. But you know, what is funny you used that example, because like. Br Angelina, Jolie stole Brad, Pitt kissing on a movie. You know what I mean? You can say these things, but human nature is really is like an element like I to me, it started to blend. So when I'd be like, yo, it's just a character and it's like, well, I listen to the podcast the other day, and that was everything you said was one hundred percent. Sure. So where is it? And then it's like the, the world's really do start to blend where. It's more like an exaggerated truth or things that I, I've been thinking the whole time. I just don't say allowed to you and it's a Justin Timberlake an alpha dog. If I was going to be an actor, it's that because just like an alpha dog just play Justin. Timberlake, he was. He was a different name. This. Character differences, but largely Zabre. And that's kind of I think we are very largely the same person sometimes will say things that we typically wouldn't like to get a laugh or sometimes we'll exaggerated truth here and there, but very largely earpiece. Little girls are like, I'm not. I'm not buying that. It's a character routine because, like you said, it's mostly you, and then you know the sudden I always played the to, like I guarantee you, you know, because we'd be like, oh, my friends, really, you know, so upset. So appalled what you said. I'm like, I fuck talked to her husband all the time. He thinks the same fucking thing. The dummy says it Al. Right? So it's good luck Francis. It's interesting world navigate through, but I'm happy that you're in love and I have. I'm happy that she said it back and I'm happy that you found someone that you would murder eastern European men. Sure, sure. I can't wait to come back in a couple of weeks and talk about how it's over. All right, man. Good luck.
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Animal Radio Episode 998
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She's inform me that Justin beavers mom will be on the show today. Justin bieber's mom, Justin Bieber. Or beaver beaver beaver sorry beaver not that we didn't try for the. Actually, I'd rather speak to to Justin beaver. The other one yesterday. So what what is this all about Judy? Can you imagine living with a beaver in your house? No that would be. I would imagine all the furniture would get chewed us you'd happy. I you would think they would just to up everything and and damn everything that they could find and just. Yeah. So you feel like water? Yeah. Kiddy pool in your living. Right guests, our just keep your bathtub full of water for them. So we're going to be talking to someone that actually has a beaver as a pet is it a pet. Well, she's a wildlife rehabilitator. Okay. So she rehab number. It's not legal to have a beaver or maybe even a Bieber as a pet. Although. Okay. Sure, you have a question for me. How can we move? We're going to go to the phones for your calls in just a couple of minutes here. But I certainly want to know what's coming up in the news. And luckily, I have some information for you Rover dot com did your new survey. So it's all with, you know, people who are dog oriented. We'll tell you what they found about those of us who liked to take pictures of our pets. Let's talk to Dale. Hi, dale. How are you? Today. How can we help you? I've talked to Debbie right over here. Hi, I've got a a FOX your pup. It's about oh, fifteen months old. And so friends of ours is over again, they had an Akita puppy, and they were playing pretty rough in the keta puppy. Ran literally just ran ran into the boxer puff in pushed him into captain. And they started favoring his front right leg for quite a while. And you know, I laid him down, and I kind of felt his leg. And check to see if there was any fractures or anything that I could feel of, you know, feel anything, and it was normal movement in up and down, you know, in a normal position on the leg. So the next day we take into the back is to make sure there wasn't a a simple rancher. They didn't show anything on the x Ray. But to this day, this is of several months back into this day. He'll be he'll favor the lag on occasion. But then when it's almost. Like when he's he just has a. A moment where he'll just go run and play like there's nothing wrong with it. I can't figure out why he keeps sparing it in. My bet can't figure it out either. It is a bit of a strange presentation for a limping problem when you talk about a young dog, especially a young large breed dog a couple of things come to mind of types of growth problems that can occur in that can cause a limping problems fishy. An on again off again problem. They're not always typically preceded by an injury. So that kind of confuses the history here a little bit for your baby. But there are some weird conditions. There's one called OCD and another called PANA status and their their common in young large breed dogs, and they're a little bit harder to find because they're not really as obvious as a fracture. So I might say that in your situation. I would encourage maybe a follow up x Ray. And see if there's any changes between those see if we can see if there's some subtle change with the cartilage that maybe as sheared off a defect something that could explain that persistent pain because. Yeah, if nothing's broken and he's a youngster. I'm like I can't make. Any other real good reasons why he should be having a problem in that regard? Phone or something, you know on a on a green bone. It's still growing. I didn't know if there could be such thing like a bone bruise. They can't get bone fists and kind of like inclusion cysts inside the the parts of the long bones. And that might not be something that was readily apparent the first time, you know, right after the injury. But it that's where like shoot another extra at this point might be worthwhile to see because you can't get changes like that in a bone after some kind of injury. So yeah, I mean, I think that would probably be the best thing. I'd encourage it as to just take another peek at it. And then has your has your puppy been on any kind of pain relief? Did they prescribe an anti inflammatory of any sort? Deployment, tori. So, you know, that's when you know, that's what's it's crazy. Because after we put him on the anti inflammatory, you know, how many still kind of favored it for a little while. But then you know, it'd be laying in the next thing. We know, you know, he'll he'll see something he'll jump up and run around like, it's nothing. You know, if if you know, it's like, I told my wife, I wonder if he just he's doing it for simply trip. We say never underestimate the power of adrenaline, especially a young dog because I have dogs come to my office, and maybe limping walking at home, and they come in their tails wagging and they're dancing around. So that was it adrenaline kicks in boy. Yeah. That limb can kind of fade away, and you know, they may be thinking about the rabbit there Jason or you know, the other fun on the other side of the door that they're going to have you're actually train your dog to lip. I mean, give them no seriously. If if they get the sympathy vote when they're limping that, they might actually do that even. Even. Could go to Hollywood we could meet Olympic dog. Movie role. There you go. He can earn his keep that way. Well, I'll take him back in and have another expert x Ray run into soup. Anything else shows? I appreciate it. Thanks for the good work. Thank you. Yes. Oh, so do we for a lot more reasons than you do? Hey, Robert, welcome to the show. How you doing good understand you want to talk to Dr Debbie? He asks I I have a little problem child here. All right. What's going on? Now. Now, we've been working very diligently with our our local vet the number one thing going on is is she's she's going either either before we put her outside or after we bring her by kin and we've tried pro-women. And we checked everything checked we've we've had the ultrasound done. We've had led work and your analysis. Everything comes back normal. And we're thinking, this might be a psychological thing. But I was wondering what kind of what kind of dog you got here. I didn't catch that we got terrier and probably adoption MC. Mic, and she's how old I wanna say somewhere in the neighborhood of eleven or twelve years old. And so just clear she's having urine accidents or poop accidents. You're an accident. And is only we we've searched out the possibility of it being accidents. And I just I don't think it's an accident. I I feel like it's being done on purpose. And we don't know why. Okay. So where is she urinating? And is it always in the same place where she moving around. It's pretty much always in the same place at what we do. Now, we have a tile kitchen floor on rainy days, we lay down a blanket on the tile floor. So when they come back in they can wipe their paws, she'll go and like I say sometimes she goes before we let them out if that blanket is lay down there. But what's what's really got me baffled? Is we started pulling the blanket up? And only putting it down. Right when they come back in from outside and all of that stop. So she's not going on the tile floor. She's not going anywhere else. But but she continues to if we leave that blanket down there for more than three or four minutes, and and take our eyes off of her. She will go on that Blake before. She climbs up stairs. Okay. I got you know. All right. I see what's going on here. So I'm glad that you had a very good thorough medical check-up because you know, in a ten year old dog urine accidents can sometimes be a signal of a health problem. I think the reality of what it sounds like you got going on is need to get rid of that blanket man, he need to be drying, these babies feed off take that blanket and getting rid of it because it could very well be just something as simple as a marking behavior the door is kind of a social area. It's an interactive zone. It's kind of a transition. So it could very well. Be that. That she saying, hey, this is kind of the entry to my layer. And I'm going to say this is, you know, our territory mightier, Tori, and I'm gonna urinate here. If that is not there, and she doesn't have urine accidents. Elsewhere. I'm really led to believe that's the situation, and you know, I- dogs don't general they're not generally malicious creatures. They're very kind hearted animals. They're not like people, we're me. And they don't typically do these kind of things to get us mad or us off. It's generally something either medical or something either, social or psychological. So I might be led to believe that you just need to make a decision to get rid of that blanket and know that that's going to be her trigger that may be her preference. That her that substrate that she really likes. And when it's in that right spot. She's going to urine Mark on it. And if all you gotta do is take that away. Then I think it's an easy solution and as long as she's not having accidents. Elsewhere I'd say, it's a that's a human. All the time. You know? I mean, if she if she if she goes on we, you know, it immediately goes out, and and and gets rewatching. And then we, you know, of course. In the first place, you putting it down. There is allowing her that opportunity. It's sitting that environment. Just right. Doesn't matter that you wash it. She's just thankful that yard. You're flushing the toilet for her. That. But we've been doing this in that same routine forever. And it's just been going on old eight or nine months in is it just I just wonder if there was any other kind of a trigger you'd think just this is just everything is just ringing. This is a like I said a social zone where you know, dogs can very typically Mark now another solution ways to maybe work around this. Hey, what about the idea of putting on can out nor met on the opposite side of that door somewhere where the doggies can kind of maybe partially dry their feet. And then if they do she does urinate on that, it's outdoors. It's not such a big deal where you have to worry about that being inside just just a solution. But for me gosh forever. I just get rid of that blanket. And return your household to know, hopefully, a toilet free mess in that zone. Robert, thanks for your call one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five dispersive animal radio is underwritten by the great free red barn. 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Because which as is it comes in so handy for so many things with pets. So definitely I've no clue. I guess what are you working on for this hour? Even if there's a lot of information coming about because of California's new law giving judges the power to decide custody in cases of pets. The got me to thinking, and I did some research on this. And I found out how many pets are I guess I should say which kind of pets are most frequently fought about in courts, but it's really oddly skewed. Okay. That's on the way in just a couple of minutes right here and go to the phones Judy which ones. Bringing the longest nine three high Henry. Hi, I have a kind of a geriatric old black cat. He's my favorite cat getting kind of old there. And I noticed that he has a patch on his rear side that doesn't seem to ever heal and it gets bigger and he bites sat at all the time. I noticed so that it kinda recovers never fully when I give him his flea drops for the month. Okay. So it gets better when he is treated for his fleet trip treat, the family actually thinks that it might be dust mites. But you know, I I wanted to get the official Dr. Yeah. It looks bad. But it gets better around the periphery. Definitely, you know, fleas actually are the number one allergenic material forecast. So when they have skin disease in their chewing in scratching approximately eighty percent of the time it's flea allergy disease. So that's the number one thing. So if the flea treatments seems to be helping. Yeah, that could be part of the thing now, whether or not it's mites or something microscopic, you know, possibly is this an indoor Katie or an outdoor kitty indoor and outdoor kitty, you know, he did we're trying to get them to we we have a big house. You know, what I mean, we can't he likes to run? You know what I mean? Inside. But you know, he he gets in announce. Okay. Just because for an older cat. That's indoors mites, aren't terribly common unless there's something else going on. So when they're immunise oppressed or some other disease processes going on, and then maybe we can have a mite problem, but you know, actually, skin disease, an older cats can even occur with health problems like diabetes and thyroid problems. So if this is a geriatric kitty, it might be well worth the trip to the vet to make sure we don't have something like that going on and then really focus on some of the skin treatments that we might try beyond the flea treatment. And those might include certainly types of hypoallergenic diets that we can try using in for some kitties. It's really a matter of making sure that all the ins and the outs are good that we're on a good quality diet. We're doing regular grooming procedures, and then, you know, chicken out things like even arthritis in older kitties. It's a subtle silent problem that they don't often. Plane about but I do see cats groom themselves excessively in the hindquarters areas when they are having pain down there. So it can be one of those kind of things that you don't always knew about and cats aren't like dogs. You know, they don't often show like limp that gamp with arthritis in it really has to be detected by an X Ray to see if they've got spinal problems or hip problems. Okay. Thank you so much because that excessive licking, and and that that just disrupted description how he's moving does. Points even without being here. Good. Hey, reaching across those radio waves help our listeners it thank you so much Henry and keep your kitty a could scratch on the head for us. But thank you for your call. This is Dr Debbie with animal radio. We're waiting here at one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five God, you're good. 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Find it harder to leave their dog for a week than it is to leave their human counterpart ninety four percent of dog owners surveyed in this survey say that their dog is part of the family, of course. And here's another that, you can probably relate to fifty six percent of dog moms and dads greet their dog at the door. I when they get home before saying Hello to any. Humans that that might be. I know in my house because certain dogs are harder to ignore than others. Well, see that they're the first ones at the door. How can you norm? They they greet you if my husband would come in greet me at the door. I'd acknowledge him, but my dogs there. Dutch trading. If cater could do backflips that he would do backflips, but he just jumps a lot. And he smiles he curls his lip under in up. And you know, anyone who doesn't know him. What gets frightening, but he lets his happy. Well, California has enacted a new law that gives judges the power to consider what's in the best interest of pets in divorce cases in you know, instead of treating them as physical property like you would car or a sofa or refrigerator it allows judges to consider the care of the pet and then create shared custody agreements for the animal the legislator who wrote this Bill before it became law said he was inspired to write it because in the past. There were actually judges who told couples you can sell the dog and split. The proceeds I had to pick my jaw up off the floor. When I read that. So that was his motivation. And this new law means that judges Ken take into consideration factors like who walks feeds and plays with the pet when deciding who the animals should live with permanently. But the law doesn't just apply to dogs. It defines pet as any animal that is community property. And is kept his household pet. And by the way, this was interesting a national survey of divorce lawyers few years ago, it eighty eight percent of pet custody fights were about dogs only five percent about cats. But that survey was done in two thousand twenty fourteen. So I think by now cats have maybe you know, gain some more popularity. Yeah. Definitely. Yeah. As in your house, Hal, I know that you would fight tooth and nail for the cats. It would be you know, it'd be like a heck I worship them. And I love that about you. And they worship him. Yeah. Well, losing weight is still one of the most popular changes that people hope to make in the new year. I remember walking into the the office coffee rumor kitchen one year, and there were no donuts or anything for about. Well, probably a month or two you looked in the refrigerator, and it was all healthy Steph one now because you know, this is how people think at the beginning of the year in South Carolina, an animal shelter a had a genius idea to help someone who wanted to lose weight and at the same time help an overweight cat that was in the shelter. So the shelter teamed up with a fitness center to offer free personal training sessions to the human who adopted per Silla now that is Priscilla as P R S, I L L and that deal with a personal trainer is worth about four hundred bucks and gets Priscilla health minded human to help her lose her extra pounds and gets her a new home. I thought that. Was pretty clever. I can tell you're all amuse thing. I am used you know, what I'm going through my photos now you. Everybody. I'm Laurie Brooks. Get more breaking animal news, anytime an animal radio dot com. I don't think I have one of my spouse on here did oh. News update. Get more at Etem aradio dot com. 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Which was of course, taken to the veteran. Chew stitched and had all the usual kinds of things having a difficult time getting it healed up because each time she's left alone. And this may be separation issues each time, she's left alone. She starts chewing on it. Version things and that's about worry him. This lake did sustain an injury at some point here for did back in about timber, and we've been working with it ever since was multiple deaths and multiple suggestions and whatnot. Or I'm you kind of reaching my wits end she pretty well amputated as of toes, but. It's fine. Once she's this, of course, bandage and padded, but. But you know, I've 'cause she's actually chewed her toes partially off. Yes. That's correct. Okay. All right. Well, the first thing I'm gonna say is that this is moving out of a category of just say a behavioral problem to something truly medical because there are people who deal with dogs that lick their feet chronically create wounds. We call lick sores or lick granular. Mas in those can be very frustrating in their own, right? Because they're from a lot of causes allergies. Mortem OCD conditions. You name it if we're actually to that point where she's destroying her own flesh. I'm going to say, we're dealing more with a potential neuropathy pain or some kind of what we call up Harris. These ya neuropathic pain is kinda like the nerves been damaged in it causes not a ghost pain, but a pain from the nerves in that area in Pierce. These just kind of like that pins and needles feeling if you sit on your foot, right? So we we know that if. There's a chronic. Or if there's a trauma to a limb these can happen in pets, the kind of mutilate their lower limbs after an injury or say a fracture repair, they may be experiencing this in it's hard to know. But if we're seeing that behavior, then it certainly worthwhile to look down that road. Not that just knowing what it might be can correct it because sometimes it is also very hard to stop this behavior. But if I could, you know, suggest some directions one would be so mentioned some, you know, maybe some separation anxiety. So there could be some medication. We'd use four separation anxiety that we'd also use for some of these pain disorders and one is medicine called amateur selene that sometimes I'll use in that's kind of a long term medication and the next medicine that I might pull out of the bag of tricks when be something we use more for some of the nerve pain, and that would be Gabba up Henson. It's often also used for seizures and patients, but those are two of the drugs that I might. Kinda pull out of my pharmacy. I to try to get to the bottom core behavior of the pads because nothing you're going to try to put on that is going to help if we're dealing with those situations because it really is, you know, an itching burning it's a it's a sensation. So you can't stop that. Which is the bitter apple so that that would be definitely my encouraging Roach ago there, and unfortunately, some pets if it's really bad, and we lead to more mutilation, you know, sometimes something like a lymph mutation isn't crazy if it means that we remove that source of chronic pain. But that's the last resort. So, you know, certainly, I would look at some different medication options before we go there an indefinitely long term antibiotics, sometimes are very very important for these wounds when they get them open, and we get different ears of flesh litter expose that that can be also very important to keep on, you know, six weeks eight weeks twelve weeks of antibiotics is not. Align for something like this. So. Discouraging. Well, I understand and it's a difficult situation for her because of being abandoned and then each time there's separation issues, and obviously she can't hit talk you constantly. But she does very well on the with that Linda puts bandaged and padded and she runs dumps and chases the other dogs in plays and whatnot. But it could very well be a neuropathy. Situation because she did have an injury. And it took us a little bit to get that healed up. And there was a good possibility of some nerve damage. Bless your heart hero for taken this baby in because you know, certainly, she's proven she found the right home, and she's going to get the care she needs. So this wishes to you. And thank you for your call. This is Dr Debbie with animal radio where waiting here for you. At one eight six six four five eight four zero five you're listening to animal radio. Call the dream team. Now at one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five. Jamie farr. You're listening to the animal radio network can be members spay and neuter your pets tonight. Today's headlines, I'm Nick miles. 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We all look good mostly because of Joey Valona dresses us. He grooms us cuts her hair, cut her nails. Fact. I think Judy you're getting a pedicure tomorrow from him is later today. Okay. There you go. And we thank you guys could tip a little bit better though. How much should you tip agree or because I I really don't know how much tip you how much should you tip? Groom. That's a really good question as much as possible. How about that? What do you got in your pockets? Okay. When you wouldn't tying Pat you down. So it's twenty percent. Like twenty percent. I I would I would think so think so you've been doing this all your life. You should know how much you get tip. Usually Giovanni gets tip little bit more. Sometimes so Johnny come on. Well, let's you know, let's be real. I'll be real honest. I didn't know you were supposed to tip your groomer really know do mostly most people do tip me. I don't think that you have to. I was raised that if you own the company that you really shouldn't even accept tips. I mean that was just I don't even know if that's just how I was brought up so as the owner of the company, I won't accept them. But as far as my staff goes, no, it's great. I love him to get tips. I guess it's just like barber barber. Yeah. I got a really good tip because it was a study that was just recently done know that the grooming. You a pet could Ed long jetty to their life. Now dogs those all pets, domesticated pets. They get groomed. So studies would done, and it's not only because of the brushing and combing and in in keeping hygiene, which that is definitely part of it. It's what you find. When you're doing these things, you know, the lumps the bumps irritation in area looking in your pets years just to wipe them out finding ear infections and a lot of people don't realize how detrimental that can be just a couple of weeks ago. I had a friend call me up, and she was saying that dog's ears didn't smell really all that good and didn't see anything. And you know, if we talked. Sabrina to the vet and she took it to the vet. And do you know the pedal most died within forty eight hours because your infection wasn't seen? But it was in so deep, but again, if she wasn't paying attention to it, and she wasn't wiping what she was doing. She was wiping out the routine Lii and smell this. So you know, grooming, your pet is is important. And again, it's it's nothing is as easy as just a brush, a comb going over and paying attention and looking in areas that you don't normally look in a lot of people don't pick up the tail dogs town and look at the dogs behind. I mean, it's just something. You don't do something that I do every single day ten fifteen times a day. But a lot of times you find things in areas that you normally wouldn't know check the pads. Look any ears brush comb check on the Dion pits. Check on the detail. You know, if you feel something that's not right? Have checked out. But grooming could give you a pet longevity. So that's your best friend. Why not give him the once over what a good, grooming? Of course. I have a question for Joe, sure. And that would is, you know, besides the smell, which gosh, I get so much of with BULLDOGS at you know, Fredo yeasty smell smell. Is there anything else that tips you off Joey when you look in their ears that something might be going on? That's not good. You know, what this is besides discharge discharges easy because you go to see it. But if even if the fleshy color of the year canal itself doesn't look right. I would have checked out, and you know, in this day and age, it's it's pets aceptable to so many so many different things when it comes to ears. I find that's one of the things that I think that narrates have the hardest time curing the problem. It's mainly because it's not kept up with at the home. You know, there's only so much. They could do that needs to be kept up with. But if it doesn't look right if it doesn't smell, right? And of course of this discharge have taken care of because years or extremely extremely important. And again, like I said I've seen dogs die from bad ear conditions, and you know, so something to play with. Okay. So this makes me ask. What should I be doing it home to care for their ears? Well, you know, just just a normal routine wiping out of the ears cannot hurt. And what I would do is is I would either use a cotton ball or a or a even even a it tissue? And I would dampen it with some which as a which as you can buy in any drugstore usually any supermarket as and basically was it's an astringent. Okay. And just go in as far as you could see I don't wanna dig a narrow. I don't want to go in deep. I just want to wipe out to Iraq. And now, and if you know just a little routine dirt comes out, usually you pretty good. But if you got this charge coming out, then it's time to really see veterinarian. And if it has an odor to it like an odor that just doesn't seem normal. Don't even clean them go right to your veterinarian. I don't I sometimes you'll make it worse soup. Bring it bring it to you veterinarian while which as well, I never knew what that was four before a really. You know, something you're right. I never knew what it was what useful before it's like ended a pet industry out. This is what it's useful because we use it routinely routinely for you can use it on skinnier -tations. Okay. Especially when you clipping a dog, and you go a little short, and they get a little irritated. You put that onto the Clinton up almost instantly stuff. I was taught us a teenager to use that on your zits pimple, which. Yeah. Yeah, drying. Yeah. I like the smell of it. Do I do? I always thought it was like a flavoring white vanilla flavoring for witches to use in their Bruce. You know, oh in their coffee hazelnut. Magic potion with frog. Glad stuff. Yeah. So people would say I was way out there. Now, I am bulldog facial folds to really works for. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. And any any areas that go to hold moisture on your pet works? Great. Okay. Why did vice from the dogfather Joey Villani here on animal radio? Do you wanna talk to him? It is easy to do. Toll free at one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five. Do you travel with your dog? Of course. My pets are part of our family me to take daisy with me everywhere. Right daisy too. How do you find out what hotels, welcome? You're wrong. I read vital friendly the traveling lifestyle magazine for you and your dog sounds perfect for planning our next Bakke Shen, right? Daisy. It is their motto is leave no dog behind and they have great hotel in destination reviews. Where can I find the magazine? Go online to fight. Oh, friendly dot com. I will for sure camonte easy. We're off to find our next adventure. Celebrating the connection with our pets this animal radio featuring your dream team. Veterinarian Dr Debbie, white and groomer joy Villani and hear your host Halley rooms and Judy Francis. If you're listening now, which you are I can guarantee you're listening. Our you not hearing me say, you're listening. Now, you probably have a pet. You might have a dog. You might have a cat. You might have fishy might have horses. But you probably don't have a beaver probably not. They are they're exotic. I don't think it's actually legal to own beavers. No. I don't think. So it's a wild animal, but there are wildlife rehabilitators. Yes. And in a few minutes, we're going to talk to the mother of Justin beaver. Who Justin beaver McKesson beaver. Apparently. She is rehabbing a beaver among other things. I don't laugh. I mean, I don't know what this all about certainly. Adorable. I lied. I'm not here to judge. But I am here to listen and find out what Justin beaver is all about. And we'll have Justin Bieber zone. Mom, just a few minutes. I can't even imagine. What would it be run around free in the house? The store you come back and your kitchen table would be. On the legs would be gone. I'm going gonna stick to my cat. My cat is low maintenance. They don't really chew too much stop. Now, they're not big tours usually associate on the way in just a few minutes. And we're also going to check of the news with Lorie Brooks. What are you working on for this hour, you know, as admiring, your empathy skills how when you're talking about? You're just here to listen and stuff and have you ever thought as an animal lover that you are different from other people, you know, like, you feel so much because here harshest aches for these little critters was that just me. No, it's not just you there others too. But the the amazing thing is that scientists have now discovered what it is this physiological thing in our human bodies that causes this animal craziness animal, love, and empathy. What makes us animal lovers? So I'll share this with you. Because I think is pretty amazing. Okay. I can't wait to find out. Why I love animals so much. A doctor Debbie is ready to take your calls. So as Joey Villani if you have grooming questions for our. Dogfather call right now toll-free at one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five the same number. If you have questions about your beaver, or if you have medical questions for Dr Debbie and don't forget, you can also ask your questions from the free animal radio app for iphone Android impact berry. They make me say that actually I get ten cents every time. I say that. Have a dollar no going to line to. Well. Hi, may Harry doing. Are you very good? What's going on in your world? Well, I've just got a big Pat that seems to kind of have dandruff. Not all the time. But from time to time it seems to be clicked a little bit by the top of her tail. You know, where it comes from her body in that area? She's a Siamese cat, and she weighs almost eighteen pounds. A couple of years, but she's not fat. She's just a big cat. Eater. Well, exercise and everything, but she's just a big test. I took her in. And when I first got a new said, well, she's not affect cat. She just a big cat. This is the way some of them are sometimes, you know. A little I gotta they put some something on our even remember what it was. And that it did work. It was very greasy. And it just so often it didn't really work. I was wondering if there's something I can use an hair coat that might help it. Perhaps. Now, there's a couple of things I want to ask you does. She seem itchy scratchy. She have hair loss in any of the areas on her body. She doesn't Scott says she doesn't have any hair loss. And I've kind of pulled up her for and check to she doesn't have any dry spots of Adryan to their rear thing. It's kinda like a flaky when I brush her. And I take the air off the brush, you can say little spot of hair. She's a mentor cat, and I'm wondering if maybe it's just a dry skin that she's got. We'll the first thing is when you tell me that you have a Siamese that's eighteen pounds. My VS radar is going on. She's in good weight. 'cause there are not many Siamese, which are fine mooned lean cats generally with the breed type is so I would she's partial I think maybe have. Omis? Well, we do see especially in the hindquarter area. Right. Over the rump. We do see a problem where overweight cats will commonly get dry skin in that area. And they'll have a lot of flaky nece in part of it is because they're a little bit to round kind of like a weeble the can't turn around and groom out spont-, very well. So that can definitely play one factor in things. But when we look at what are all the causes of what makes a cat have flaky skin when we look at things like parasites. So you know, perhaps your new to treat with topical parasite product. That'd be one of the simplest things that I would always start with this to make sure we're doing really good flea control. Because there's also other types of parasites. You can't see like might that can cause flaky nece as well as itching and so forth. So making sure that you. She's an indoor cattle time understand. Yeah. I feel the free saying a redo that he's not an aggressive, canton any way, but she doesn't meow which is really unusual and. What I I've taken to a vet. She was absolutely. But cirque. Some of the things that I would tell you that, you know, we're we think about when we have a cat that has this dry skin. Even though she doesn't go outside as veterinary, and it's very simple and easy to treat for things. Like might those parasites. You can't see and that is an important thing to make sure you get that kind of knocked off the list of concerns. So if that's what you're did treat for super if not then I would make sure you you do that. And then as far as grooming is really a big thing. So you know, we can't replace what it can't does to groom themselves. But if this is possible that she can't reach that area. Then we wanna do a good regular grooming on her. So getting down to the level of the skin getting the undercoat out and using a brush or comb to really stimulate the natural oils in those areas because that's part of the benefit of grooming. Get rid of the air. She she tolerates whatever. I fact, I even cut her nails believe it or not. She was very calmly or what I do that that when you take her into the van. I mean, they need to see your coming in the height because she's. I know. Hits his and grounds and the whole nine now know. Fanned his event Neri, but she's the by eighty six she's retired. So, but I did us go, and she says, well, probably is something and that she's either eating it could be or could be something. Like, you're telling me, and I haven't done anything about the might throw anything would I be able to go into bat and get something for that. Or would I have to? Getting a veterinary opinion of this problem is really important to start things off on the right direction because you could go in and pick up medications, but really for myself if I could see her I would tell you. I think this is the best direction to go one of the products that I commonly use if we're dealing just with seborrheic, which is basically a dryness in a problem with this flaking is I'll use a type of topical that say suppress ceremonies. So as part of the lipids that were restoring in the skin layer so pets that have dry skin for various conditions. They are often deficient in these lipids in the skin. So we can use a type of a spot on that we put on regularly usually about once a week, and it helps to restore the lipid in the skin beer, and that helps, you know, not just decrease the amount of CBA them kind of the waxy stuff that they build up. But it also keeps inflammation down helps keep bacteria counts down all of that. So it can help with a lot of conditions. So that's why I think it's important. We have your veterinarian say, hey, this would be a good idea. I'd like to try that. It's pretty easy. It's things you can do at home. And then certainly I you know wanna look at things like arrive precising. Ties. Tell us a good brush to brush her every day, and I can take the hair off of that from after I brush on you can see the small pieces, and it would be feasible to take that into the vet say, look, I hate to bring the cat in because and and show them this would they be able to go any further with that would be very limited. Because there are some types of parasites that live on the surface of the hair, and there's others live inside the skin in in just like anything, you know, if something's cut off and removed from the an organism as a whole, it really doesn't give us the full picture. So, you know, your vet may say, hey, sure, you know, maybe I really don't wanna see your cat bring in some hair and some deal in a look at that way. She's about two feet long to she's not mall cat. She's a big and take a look at of course, they wanna pattern. She's not having any of that know. No, no, forget it. You know, you're not gonna get me. But he he's come along the way with me. I when I first got her she was very very strange to everyone. But no, she likes my grandchildren as long as he don't try to grab her. She doesn't like that. So they've learned the hard way to not to do that not scratch to scratch them. But she'll really grow. Again, you kind of scared. You know? Through a lot of things with. And I think that you're probably right. I would have to see take her into the vet just take my chances that they won't throw me out the door. There's other ways to get a cat safely into the veterinary office, so probably a lengthy conversation. But there are some drugs that I'll often use for pets that are actually cats at our, but we can give them medication such as Gaba Pinson in that can actually help home them make them not sedated, but less aggressive in reactive in veterinary, sonny's. You might even ask you if there's something like that that they are familiar with or they're comfortable with that. They're okay. Prescribing in advance of the visit because tell ya, I've used some different medications on cats before they come in the office, and it really can make a huge difference. It's all about how to do this with less stress for the animal less risk for injury for both pet and veterinary professional trails. So yes. Very helpful wonderful. I lifted to your show time, and it's amazing. How many things you'd come up with nothing that, you know, you're listening to animal radio. Call the dream team. Now at one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five. That's my dog. Annie, she's healthy now. But recently, she broke her leg, and I had to rush her to the vet, thankfully, she's protected by embraced pen insurance. They covered her surgery and reimbursed the clean quickly and brace offers one simple plan for unexpected accidents and illnesses that you can personalized to fit your budget. To learn more. Visit embraced pet insurance dot com to get a free quote policies. Underwritten by licensure of American modern insurance coverage subject to policy, terms and conditions. Visit embrace bed insurance dot com for coverage details people say less is more at red burn. We think less is better. It's what you don't find that sets are natural premium petfood apart. No, byproducts corn or soy, no fillers. 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You should really I would have liked to participated maybe next time since you know, all the answers US the question. I asked a question area little more fair for everybody else or throw it out to the listeners lithium listeners answer the questions, I'm just saying that might. Glad you guys have an open mind about it. It's pretty cool. Let's see we're going to go to the phones in just a couple of seconds here. Also a few minutes away from Justin bieber's mother. And let's see what are you? We're going for the news just in beaver. I wanted clarify Justin beaver, okay? Patricia might have been upset. I I've got a bunch of stories for you. But one of them is so horrific, I'm not even gonna tease it. Okay. Because I it's it's a short blurb. But man, this story just brings about so many thoughts, and so many what if in so many wise, it's really just save the TS actually that was the lack of the lack of a tease is really good tease. There was. Okay. So that's on the way just a few minutes something that we know nothing about, but it should be something you're interested. Which phone? Let's go to one. Okay. Thank god. We have you here. And hey, John. How are you doing today? I'm good. Thanks for taking the call was going. Just a quick question. My I have a ten year old dog. She's got a a little growth couple of weeks back that looks like a little sti- or ward or something on her left lower eyelid. But it doesn't interfere with your playing Keno can make that I'm just wondering if that's something I need to check out. She's a much from the pound like suffers when I got arthritis and told she county mix okay in his the lump is. In his the lump is it on the inside of the an outside. What what area coming on? On the outside. Okay. We'll. The the good majority of of little masses a long ago eyelid. They tend to be benign growths in of those the most commonly are called a my bohmeian gland tumor so dance by far the biggest cause of these type of things. So those type of things not to say the can't cause a problem in sometimes they can actually get pretty big kinda even get a color color flower, light growth off of them. And they can rub on the is. So some of these really can cause ulcers in the I just comfort. So the treatment of those. I I'd say, you know, get look at it. And he'd hold the mic I can try to get a picture. But, you know, getting a vet on it is a big thing because sometimes there are hypes of lumps and bumps that gives us a little bit more excited if they're pigmented kind of a black color sometimes that gets us a little bit more concern because we can get melanoma a more serious tumor that occurs on the eyelid in then some types can be a little bit more destructive to the area like squamous cell carcinoma people aware of that because of the sun related issues. So that for dogs to can occur on the eyelids. So. Would you would they would they zap it off and and test or what would? So when we haven't Isla tumor pretty much we have to remove those type of things with a pet under the and I get that question. All the time. Can you do my pet awake? No, not going to happen. Not many dogs that for that. So from there, but yes, we can do a couple of things we can if it's large, and it goes into the lid, we might do kind of like, a V-shaped wedge. So we take out a little wedge of the islet and so things backup. If it's small doesn't seem to go very deep than yes. We can kind of cauterize that either with a an electro Qadri at my office. We have a laser that we use that helps to kind of ab- late the tissue just kind of destroy it on the surface. So that technique, can you can be used for some of the smaller or less less serious ones. If we're worried that it's more serious tumor. We're gonna probably go for that v wedge because we want to get nice clean margins in solve that problem for the long haul. But. If I brought her the office could you look at it and say like this looks like an app. Usually, but I would say just because the great majority of these type of tumors are my booming gland tumors in you know, the breed sometimes gives us some clues. Because we know that there are some dogs poodles cocker spaniels collies that tend to get these benign eyelid tumors a little bit more frequently. So we've got that there's sometimes a little bit of the odds game we can play to to help. And that may not help your situations. You have a mixed breed. But. I was wondering whether or not to make an appointment. Sounds like I should. Absolutely definitely encouraging. You know, it could be something we can handle pretty simply just sometimes a little bit of, you know, monitoring watching and waiting is acceptable for these type of things. I will keep an eye up at all. I think something can appointment for next week as make sure the information appreciate the call. John one eight six six four zero five eight four five. This portion of animal radio is brought to you by embrace pet insurance providing knows detail accident and illest coverage for your dog or cat. It can be customized to fit your budget and needs simply take your dog or cat to any vet semitic -ly forming get reimbursed quickly you can learn more over it embraced pen insurance dot com to get a quote and thanks brace for underwriting animal radio. You're listening to animal radio. Call the dream team. Now at one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five. Hello. This is Dr poll on animal radio. All part of your life. Make them Belgium in your life. Here is today's automative news. I'm Nick miles. I got to spend three days of the BMW performance center and South Carolina. Test driving the new two thousand nineteen BMW X full. 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All it says that pet stores can only sell cats dogs and rabbits, the come from local rescue groups or shelters or animal control agencies and store. Operators will face a five hundred dollar fine. If they violate that new law, another California law, which we talked about last hour that will further advance pet protections in the state by allowing judges in divorce proceedings to consider the best interests of pets and create custody. Arrangements for them. We also learned that eighty eight percent of those pets custody fights are over dogs and on the national stage. You guys I had to bring this up a new law. That was overlooked by many is that cats and. Dogs were literally rescued by the farm Bill that was signed last month by President Trump. Now, you may not have heard this part because it was granted it was a massive Bill and covered many things, but it did include a provision officially banning the slaughter and trade of companion animals for human consumption now that doesn't happen much that we know of that we hear about but before the Bill it was actually legal in forty four states in America to turn cats and dogs into food. Police in hamden, Connecticut, say a man actually had to shoot and kill his own dog in a park because he feared it might attack. Some children who were close by. When things got out of hand the mantle police that his dog a pit bull. Who was not on a leash at the time. That's the very first thing you need to know the dog was not on a leash. But because his dog was not least and attacked. And seriously injured another dog that was on a leash. He felt that he had to take action. But right there you see with the owner of the injured dog where that man's three children the owner of the dog who initiated the attack the one who did the shooting was licensed to carry a gun Cording to police. But again, the entire situation could have been avoided if the man had his dog on a leash, but because the dog was loose INA park that dog is dead. Another dog was. Injured in three kids had to watch the whole ugly scene. They will likely never ever forget. Can. I just say this whole thing is very very bizarre. Very weird. And I can't believe that. There's no legal implications to this. Something denison. It is. It is under investigation by the police. But I, you know, I think about this. And I think it's so horrific because none of it had to happen. Right. Sure. And and really though, I mean think about it put yourself in. This guy's shoes could you ever shoot your animal with a gun or what I mean, could you? I mean, if I was fearful it was going to harm somebody. I don't know you would shoot your dog. If you were fear. I don't know when that circus. Nobody really knows what they do. They do they do. They would like to think they would know if it was going to harm somebody or kill somebody. But right. You don't know what you what you would actually do. That is a good point how because now now look I would think there would be a big investigation. If say that his the man who did the shooting that his wife was standing nearby and he accidentally shot the wife while he was shooting for the dog. I mean, then you ago, that's really off. But you know, like Judy said, I think this could have happened, but it is being investigated. So we'll keep you posted. Okay. I love this story guys. Scientists have discovered a genetic difference in animal lovers. So that's probably you. Right. I mean, you always knew you were different hawk this genetic difference lies in a gene that is responsible for producing a hormone called oxytocin, and you've probably heard of oxytocin before. But it's commonly called the love hormone. They use it that reference it a lot when talking about bonding between a mother and her child, but oxytocin boosts bonding between people, but this study is the first time that it has been linked to relationships between people and animals, researchers at the university of Edinburgh 's Roslin Institute and Scotland's rural college found that those who showed the greatest compassion for animals actually, had a different version of the oxytocin, gene, they found also that that women responded more, positively towards animals than men as. Did those who chose a profession in an annual related field? You know, maybe an veterinarian's office. But if of course people's attitudes towards animals are influenced by a variety of social factors considering early life experiences personality, traits your religious beliefs. However, they say this is the very first time this ientist of shown that genetics may also play a big role in our human love of animals. So those of us who aren't married or whatever if we married another animal lover, I wonder if they would get like three times, the, animal empathy. That would hurt. I'm Laurie Brooks. Get more breaking animal news anytime at animal radio dot com. This has been an animal radio news update. Get more at animal radio dot com. Hi, this is Brandon McMillan on animal radio and be sure to adopt and not shop. You're listening to animal radio. Call the dream team. Now at one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five. Sensible radio, celebrating the connection with our pets and Laurie. I gotta tell you. I really didn't think about this until I started looking, but you're right. You're absolutely right. I have photos of only my animals on my phone. In fact, the screensavers animals and. Pretty normal. Right. I guess it does mean them normal. But I probably should have a picture of my spouse or friends at least in their right? But the I think I might have one picture of my spouse holding my animal there, you go. And that's the only reason you have the picture right because the animals in it. Let's go to James who has a call for Joey. Hey, James where you calling from. Right now, I'm in a lake park. Georgia georgia. Yes, sir. I'm. And I'm calling for a little bit of Chile's advisory on account of had this little pug though, throughout Iran with me. But sometimes very extended periods of time, and you know, give them a proper bath is not very feasible. So I'm wanting to know when I can do for him. You know, what products or what the? Joey my recommend to keep them played, you know, healthy while he's with me. So let me ask you a couple of questions. What's you main objective is just a clean the dog the dog, and stinky is shedding because that's going to determine really, you know, what direction I go in. Day. But we're out sometimes for two months at a time. And it gets a bit oil, you know, and. Walking around and graph that you know, I don't know. What's in there? I just wanna frontline and all that for him as far as picks and all that. You know, he just gets thirty. There's a lot of products out there in wipes that you can go that you can go to the store and get a lot of some spray dry shampoos. And and you know, a lot of things out there on the shows that you can go out and buy, but if you want a real quick fix this works unbelievable. And it's good that you brush in Komen. The dog now because you removing the dead coach if you used to doing that you're going to go to the store, and you're gonna buy yourself a sixty nine cent box of baking soda now baking soda, you're gonna sprinkler that an in the Cote. Now, it's going to do two things. It's going to number one remove the oil because it's going to absorb you're going to sprinkle it on. You're going to let it sit. I don't know just a couple of minutes, and then you're going to brush through not only is it going to absorb the dirty oil. It's going to also neutralize any odors any smells anything like that. And it's going to wait when you brushed it. It's gonna fall off the dog after absorbs everything and four. Ground. So the best thing to do is is I wouldn't do this while you're in your truck. I would actually do outside of the truck when you stop sprinkler the dog with it brush it through it's going to be real safe. It's really it's really good for the coat. The dog is going to smell good and really good thing. And trick with with them dogs that have folds in face, and some some pugs do some pugs don't depending on how flat the faces if you use that. And you put that in the folds it. Oh, dry out any type of moisture that's in there and the bathing soda portion of itself will actually remove any facial Ota works. Really good. So good thing. It's nice and cheap. And you know, what I think that you'll be really satisfied until you know, listen, nothing's ever going to replace a good old, soap and water bath. But this is something that you can stretch out what a short haired dog, and you could stretch it out quite some time. They'd be real happy with it. So. Really worried about was like the folders plays. I mean, I get into accused us every now and again, and I've unusually wet one stuff, but that's a very good. Thank you know. And you can continue to use the wet ones. But I'm the bacon soda. You know to wipe it out with with the with the with the wet ones going with the bacon shown. I'm tell you what you're gonna notice that there's no odor from the face. And if there's any irritation any redness nine times out of ten that's going to go away as well. I use that on my mother-in-law, she has a real wrinkly face, stinky face to so and got the tip from you last week. I appreciate that one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five connect with the dream team right now, you're listening to animal radio. Call the dream team. Now at one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five. Hi. Animal radio, please remember to spay and neuter your pets. The black loud sound dot af one headset have a built an FM receiver with dul dynamic drivers, and customizable, e Q and sound effect settings. They're capable of delivering beautiful sound. You can also tune directly to any FM radio station without internet access. Visit WWW dot B L A C K L O U, D dot com. Create your account and order sound dot af. One by inputting, the radio station coupon code animal radio to get the special ten percent off discount. We are heading to where are we going to be Kentucky were heading to with Brigitte Bruyette Yar. How're you doing Bridget? Kentucky you are in Kentucky. And you do something kinda special. There you rescue what? Wildlife. So no dogs. No cats. No pets, it's all animals that would be naturally found in Kentucky. Okay. So I think there's got to be possums possums Hossa bat foxes beavers lottery. Kuhn's lot of squirrels were you on the show bandit patrol? I was yes. Have you seen this show with that show? Yes. That's awesome. I can't say that I've ever. We're lost. It was all women in Kentucky who rescued all different kinds of wildlife. Everything from skunks to raptors eagles hours. It was amazing. It was a great show wins. It come and pack on forcedly. They did not renew is-. You'll have to try to catch a rerun. But there's they have so many animal shows, they just kind of rotate around. So don't understand in Judy came in. She came in screaming to the studio about a week ago. She says I booked the guardian of Justin beaver there's like Justin Bieber. This is a pantley Justin beaver that. We're talking about who's a beaver that you rescued. It is. Yes, J B as we call him or Justin Bieber came to me may of two thousand let's see just in nineteen in seventeen. So he has been with made for quite some time. He came in just a couple months old so very tiny still being bottle fed and he was supposed to make his way to our rehab center that houses just Oliver animals, but we little slow on the draw. We had to raise quite a bit of money for his enclosure get the pond Bill, so we're just finishing that. Will you say he came to you in two thousand seventeen what did he knock on the door? Did someone bring him to you? What was wrong that? He ended up at your door. He was not quite old enough to have his driver's license. So somebody did drive him to me. He was found as just an orphan baby one single beaver and most likely, unfortunately, his parents were either shot or they were drowned win people find beavers, they don't always love them around and they're not very tolerant on trapping and relocating. So they are trapped underwater, unfortunately, though, they do them. Yeah. How long do beavers live? I hope that he lives of almost twenty years in captivity. They don't live quite as long in the wild, of course, because they're exposed to potential risks that they don't in captivity would imagine he can't run around lose. Otherwise your furniture would be to. Well, it is. Mary shoot up. I've only been in this house just a couple months longer than J B has been with me. And it used to be very nice, and almost every doorway door baseboard has been shoot on NT furniture has been chewed. And this is with me closely supervised in him, no often does he have to swim. I put him in the back tub about five times a day. Wow. Wow. On full-time. It makes it difficult for me to go out in very long stench. But I'm he'll have his own pond that he can go to the bathroom and dam up over and over throughout the day. So does he turn a damn the bathtub? Oh, yes. He does. That's the first thing. He gets out of the Bhakta is really kinda funny routine that we have developed. So I I know when he needs to go out his regular times. And he does make some sounds that. If he's asking me that he really does need to go the bathroom. So I put him in the bath tub, and he hops on the ledge, but he won't get off the ledge. I have to lift him down towel dragged him in. Then he turns around and finds something to dam up the bathtub, it's shampoo bottles in in that kind of stuff. Offals if there's a towel floor back rug. He uses a stuffed animal socks if there's one thing laying out he'll find that set the scene because listeners can't see this. We we do picture we are Skyping with present. 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The Non-Prophets 17.19 2018-10-17 with Denis Loubet, Jamie Boone, & Kevin Stein
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Price and coverage match limited by state law. And we are guild nonprofits. I'm Dennis Luay law, the major along with Jamie Boone the fighter and Kevin Stein. The thief. We're questing live from the free thought librarian Austin, Texas on the seventeenth of October twenty eighteen to recover the fabled head of Vechta. This adventure is sponsored by the community of Austin, a nonprofit educational organization for the promotion of positive atheism. The separation of church and state and the cruel of vast amounts of gold pieces and experience. If you wanna learn more, you can summon their voice mail at five, twelve to twenty sixty five sixty one or visit the in at WWW dot as his hif- atheist, hyphen, community dot org. The nonprofits arms up and sets out every first and third Wednesday of each month from seven thirty to nine central time. You can join our Mary bend by following the directions at WWW dot non. Profits, radio dot com, and joining the chatroom. So roll up your stats polisher ten foot pole and don't forget to listen at the door. All right, all went over my head. Yeah. Gamers will guess it always starts on a tavern and actually the throwing for a while the had a well attended happy hour. Uh-huh. Should get back to doing that. Yeah. Someone should tell the president of this nation to get his lazy, but in gear. The fireside gathered. Yeah, we did those. Those are a lot of fun. Yeah. So what have you been up to Dennis for the last? Oh. I've been watching far too many YouTube videos. There's an amount of YouTube. There are amount of YouTube videos, and I've been watching a lot of biotic dance. Youtuber, who does a lot of the heavy lifting for the community. She seems to handle the the arguments we hear all the time and she's willing to dig in and answer them again and again, and again, and again. So I have a lot of respect. School reminds me of another show that's call ins on twenty years as mad and Tracy, and Jen and wonder. Feast experience. That one. Yeah, a few videos out there. Yeah, it's a. Episode. While, yeah, although start bingeing everyone. Mark at one point told me that there's a set of episodes that we still don't have and that the way the old numbering went, they would just number it by the weeks originally. So we might technically be well. At this point we've got a thousand, but it might have been a week later or week or two later. Then when we celebrated, you know, spoiler alert everything you know is ally. So yeah, Kevin, any interesting news confronted by a street preacher, perhaps? No, no, I I was real worked up last week and dam, and I wanted to do is show us. Oh man, something in particular or just just, you know, Cavanaugh. Especially, but just a lot of sad, how is I can't jealous of secular sexuality? Yeah, they're there every week. If you guys have not checked them out there every week, secular sexuality, it will. Hint hint, I think is, is. Yeah. Well, in any case, I think we can sort of jump into news Kevin when I take the fur story. Yeah, suppose so. So so it's not one. Something, something religion, something humans are getting hurt. How do close? It's actually less of a story. I talked a little bit about Ralph Dolinger last episode and a lot of people were familiar with him. I, I wanted to look a little bit more into him. You know, there's a lot that we could go over, but I'm not. I'm gonna try and consolidate a little bit for those that want to Google stuff while they're listening. What's how do you spell Ralph getting drilling? Her is d. r. o. l. i. n. g. e. r.. Hey, it sounds. Yeah. Yeah. So tell us about Ralph girl linger. Okay. So as I said, last episode, he is the pastor that is heading up the weekly bible studies for the. Trump White House. Oh, yeah, already makes my stomach turn. Yeah. And he is. Arguably quite a lot of influence and is as you pointed out right off the bat and he's not been, you know, appointed by, no, no one voted. No one voted for this. Yeah, dork he far as I can tell. He got the job just because he he formed something called capitol ministries in nineteen Ninety-seven. And it was founded with the idea if you change the hearts of lawmakers than their Christian worldview will guide them to make good policies. The rest of us have to follow. Yeah. Hey, do you guys remember when we all decided it would be good to live in a theocratic state now? Yeah, that didn't happen. We should not have, yes. To that that will get to later. But, oh, boy, really has some rebuttals to Fiacre see is demonstrated as a failure again. And again, not that in specific now. Okay. Rational argument. No, yeah. So, yeah, anyways. He. So he started this bible study in forty state capitals and number of foreign capitals teaches weekly studies in the US house and Senate, and now leads about a dozen members of President Trump's cabinet in weekly studies in scriptures until somehow you wormed his way into the White House. I think you just got, yeah, the the, the Trump cabinet appointment just coast just because been doing it for so long. Yeah. And he's and like I said, he's been doing these bible studies for the house and Senate. You know, it's a pair of just now that it's getting a little bit more press because holy shit. Now it's frigging y'all cabinet of the White House. So among them are Rick Perry, Betsy DeVos, and you do Mike Pompeo. The. Usual suspects? Yeah, a and. Yeah. And. That's right. About capitol ministries drilling. Her quotes said, sorry about the Trump appointees that he reaches to. He said, quote, these are godly individuals that God has risen to position of prominence in our culture. So I mean. Was Donald Trump and then Trump has actually scarier. Why did we have the revolutionary war? If God put the king on the throne of England, that's different that now that's a wrong about Jesus. Don't ask you logical questions. They've stopped caring about those little ones. He compared Trump to Samson at one point. Yeah, I left that out, but you just from a fish. Actually, I've heard that recently was there. You know, all the rechristen arguments between Christians about whether or not it's biblical to support Trump or whether or not Trump could be bottles. And it was like actually in the bible, the Babylonian king Nebuchadnezzar was used for, therefore Trump is biblical. I'm like, fuck off. I just holding say God is God put Trump layer up a lot of assholes. Therefore, therefore this asshole. Yeah, God. Number of this particular movement. Chuck. Yeah. Yeah. What movie? Oh, I, if you don't want to you don't want to advertise it. That's fine. Look for it. Not that a lot of our listeners, they're going to pay not a major motion picture, but no, it's surprisingly I watch a lot of Christian movies. Yeah, that was going to say, I listened to a lot of reviews of, yeah, no, I wasn't to and actually about last episode. I referred to a quote that I I couldn't quite remember. It is a quote from drilling her himself, talking about how amazing it is, how much influence he has over these cabinet members and actually founded and this was about Trump Trump. It was about Jeff Sessions in particular, quote hill, go out on the same day. I teach him something and I'll see him do it on camera and I just think, well, these guys are faithful available and teachable, and they're at bible study on my every week there in town fucking God, Jesus. It's sort of like. Oh, if only. Again, no one voted for this guy. Right. Well, okay. So on that point, I will say, no, it'd be people. Presidents can sold all kinds of advisers that are not elected. I just so the fact that there's an adviser I can I point of disagreement. That's fair. Yeah, but dang it. That's the thing hosta spice up. The show is we, oh, we, we strongly disagree and yeah, damage, Amy, you're not supposed to make good points and then I can disagree with you better. Well, it's also not supposed to establish religion that is true. However, would say, it's it's not a for some violation, but it's stupid. It doesn't just Doug whatever. It's fine hits actually not. He. Burning buildings saying it's fine, right. Right now he barely holds a is scary amount of sway with at least. Members of the cash paid by the if he was paid by the government to do this, I would have a problem. No, because it's public fund capitol ministries is a five, a one c, three, great. I mean, great, and then our mastic aggression headway. It is interesting, right, because it's one of the things that Christians are like, oh, they want us to only pray in our homes and totally chase it out of public and no, they're wrong. It's just that we don't want you to spend our money or or more specifically tax payer funds on a private enterprise, which is what religion is. However, there's this. You know, nightmare scenario, oftentimes I hear expressed which is, oh, they would never allow a person of faith to serve or something, and to be clear, I don't actually have necessarily, I think is wrong, but I don't know. How many persons that we have. We have. All of them. Cutive -ly have all been Chris. Affairs. Some things you can say about Lincoln as far as his is actually actually is different takes, but jeez also depends on whether you count the DA who were, you know, nominee million like the ones essentially sort of interesting, Virginia and his companions. That's the those are the largest to sort of demographics residents. Let's just say they can take any suspicion of of persecution and shove it straight up. Their ass is because you know, yeah, good. We can't. We're not allowed to be Christian Poon link with churches on every street corner was going to say that was runner. We're under attack shit. Yeah. Yeah. God. Well, I've got more. Yeah, bring it on. Yeah, I got. So I did mention that he he does have some rebuttal accusations know him a Christian dominion ister. Yep, Christian nationalist and wanting to set up at the awkward. You know, actually I watched a couple of segments of an interview that he did on the Christian broadcast network. Yeah. Yeah. Softest of softball interviews by the way. How. Of course. So yeah. So in in question about whether or not he is a Christian nationalist wanting to set up a theocracy synonyms for Christian nationalism are Christian dominion. It's Christian Reconstructionist and Christian Theonest s-. Jesus and the apostles never talk about constructing Christian nations. There about building the kingdom of God. Nice non-answer. Great. Wait, repeat the question that he was asked that he just decided leading didn't answer. It was a kind of just general question about accusations of him being a Christian nationalist. Yeah, and wanting you know, okay, supporting theocracy. Yeah. So not only are we building a wall or building a freaking what? Well, okay of heaven. I doesn't answer what he believes. The kingdom of God is no late. And if you watch, if you watch the the full interview, he he's very good at kind of skating around or he would never plays. Might voles are nothing if not slipper. Yeah, he plays semantics very well, and we're Bill living. Heaven and what is gonna make the angels pay for it. Pretty good. That was pretty good. It. It leads to a good point. This is precisely the same kind of that people always give and that you should always listen for even from people that you support or like or even when it's not about God is that doesn't respond to are you a Christian nationalist? He'll say, what do they mean? This isn't about what does the phrase kingdom of heaven mean in terms of, yeah, mortals building it. I don't know. Well, he didn't say he was he's he was talking about what Jesus and the disciples were about the live. So that could be followed is. And now we've established a kingdom on a hill. Blom right it. No, it's a non answer. So Jamie, you sound a little concerned? I think we all are. Don't worry. Oh, god. Got it would relieve really put us in relief here. Don't worry. Our fears are completely unfounded. Good. What? Why? What fears are completely unfounded of of Christian dominion ISM now completing. Let's let's hear what he has. This is this is the beginning of a statement. Yes, the entire. No. No. It's just like that doesn't alleviate fear. Punchline to this building to it. Ways. Yeah, he so he said in in regard to people's fears about him being Christian nationalist wanting to set up a theocracy. He thinks that really is just people making a bunch of noise. He says, I think that if you can get the voting populace to fear that the White House cabinet members are having bible study, they're plotting a Christian overthrow of the country, creeds fear in the voting populace, but I can go on record saying, we are not doing that whatsoever. We're just trying to build men and women in Christ, like character, and then they carry that character into their vocation. So. He began by saying, if you make the voting population of frayed of a bible study, they will be afraid of it. Yeah, we're not trying to overthrow the government were just trying to train these people to be Christians so that they can carry it into their vocation, which is government. Exactly right guy. If you watch the full interview to see no, does he know what we're afraid of the stand? He contradicts himself constantly and I can't tell he does it contradicts he does seem like a pretty intelligent guy. Oh, we're taking out of context. I can't. If he knows he's contradicting himself, he doesn't care or if he's just, you know, he's a Christian. So maybe he's just used to it. He doesn't think it's a big deal. Well, I mean, that's not exclusive to Christians and it's not exclusive to religion as humans are better thinking. Yeah. Sorry, I'm a little bit upset because some of my one of my stories is particularly heartbreaking. So I've been in been in in moved. The anger. Yeah, Phillip, got one more thing. One more thing. One more thing. Capitol ministries. Oh, that's guys thing. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So very sad is that is the ministry where have you been doling? Yeah. Yeah, same same story. So he actually prints out the the sermons or lesson plans or whatever that he gives cabinet members and all that and actually found one from July tenth, two thousand seven boy specifically titled understanding the separation of church and state. So he's going to leave Yate our fears once again is eating dough. Spoiler okay. It starts with when Jesus said, render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's and to God, the things that are got Matthew twenty two, twenty one. He was proclaiming a huge distinction something quite different of the coming. Church age relative to the past with Old Testament Israel. Stop before into the next plane. A give me some. He claims that that quote, that bible quote is about the separation of church and state. So well, okay, I can see that. But what does he believe? It means because what he said was it was specific z. saying that it's specific to them. Yeah, he hate that. He was proclaiming a huge new distinction, something quite different for the coming church age relative to the past with Old Testament Israel. Does that rule continue into the current age? Do we know. Heat all Ono's the grounds dole injure. He him please for the fourth. With a love of your God. Send an Email and explain what the fuck that means. Okay. Well, let's let's say this, listen Israel. This passage among other New Testament passages represents the biblical basis of institutional separation of civil government from the gods ordained institution of church, but I must be careful to adhere right up front, least you under lease. You misunderstand what I'm saying that institutional separation does not imply influential separation as postured by many secularists today. So don't worry. He doesn't want the dictionary definition of theocracy. He just wants the kind of theocracy where everyone in power is a fundamentalist Christian and they use their fundamentalist Christian beliefs to vote over, correct. Okay. All of their choices. That that's the kind of theocracy that he will right now at the dictionary definition. Okay. That actually. That actually is more acceptable to me than than a lot of things. I mean, to be quite honest among people that believe that, blah, blah, Jesus should influence government, blah, blah, blah. If you hold that conclusion than row view is the one that I think you should have because the institution has to be separate. If we his his claim that secularists are like, oh, you can't think about, you know, whatever decision making process you use when you're in government one, I've never stated that and I don't know anyone that does to if you're going to use your Jesus to decide policy. I'm gonna vote the way. I mean, I think the will of the people kind of overrides your. Yeah, Melissa Christian philosophy, you know? Yeah. I mean, will. What are you saying? Like if one, I don't know specifically what he means, but on the topic in general, if what you mean is no state money to churches and you don't have pastor, you don't have, you know, paid chaplains or whatever, but you're, you know, as a pastor, encouraging elected officials to consider the bible, blah, blah, blah. That's the appropriate place for religion to be discussed. And then ultimately to be shown to be a bad influence into big Nord. So partial agreement, I don't know. I mean, just not going to happen with the people know they're m operating under these option that he is being honest, yes. Do under the assumption that he's being honest, and that I understand what he means. Right, right. All right. Well, I've got a thing on that movie. I was talking about, what are you going on that movie? You were talking about. The chosen one, the new film that claims Trump's election was an act of God. Charleston, one chosen one. This is from the guardian. More than a thousand US cinemas are screening. The Trump prophecy which posits that God chose the philandering billionaire to restore America's moral values. Got a. You have to love British onion. It's real. It was everyone agreed miracle, the unexpected election of Donald Trump wouldn't call it a miracle in two thousand sixteen was an act of God who chose the philandering, billionaire and reality TV star to restore America's moral values. This is the theme of the Trump prophecy a movie telling the story of Mark Taylor, a former firemen from Orlando, forced to retire after suffering from PTSD, which premiered on Tuesday between graphic nightmares featuring demonic monsters. Hellish flames Taylor received a message from God in April twenty eleven while he was surfing television channels. Holy shit is the firefighter profit I it could be as he clicked to an interview with Trump Taylor, God's say, you're hearing the voice of the next president and came to pass, although it took another five years in a national prayer. Campaign Taylor duly wrote a book Trump prophecies. These Tom Shing true story of the man who saw. Tomorrow. And what he says is coming next on which the movie is based. Lord, I. What is what is the name of the just in case I Trump prophecies. Let's see. Yeah, anyway, it's it it. It sounds like just crazy from start to finish. Oh, so watch this. Can I buy it for cheap? I imagine you could find it. Okay. Trump prophecy. I yeah, I'm gonna. I'm gonna track that down. You could stomach, it go. Yeah. All right. So in my next door we have a choice between Leo rape and sexual exploitation. Wow. Stared fees choice. All right. So here's a story that was recently covered, brace yourselves and. So I remember hearing awhile back that there was documentary. I think on Netflix about basically a school for like a boarding school for the deaf that was run by the Catholic church. And so there were children there who. Would have trouble communicating with the general public is, you know, in the charge of Catholic priests, you can sort of put two and two together and understand what happened. Next, this particular story is. I mean, it's on the back of, you know, a child pornography ring in Pennsylvania. There's a bunch of other. States that are now looking into that New Jersey is one of them and the New Jersey attorney general who has prosecuted a bunch of those cases, said, brace yourselves. It's going to be worse of all, wait one. I don't know that going to compare them sure that it will be horrified by anything that's found, but. The state of New York subpoenaed all the diocese in New York last month to to. Let's see. The Catholic church oversaw school for special needs, children, children who are deaf or deaf and mutual that were a quote systematically groomed for sex. By the priests using hand signals. I remember this. Yeah. If this is the kind of story that you're sensitive to it, it gets terrible. I'll try not to get too into the Herath saying, yeah, and graphic details. But this is from the Daily Beast who spoke with Giuseppi who was surrendered to the Catholic church is child when his parents decided they were unable to care for or communicate with him, and he shared his account of what it was like to attend the church churches, Antonio provo- institute for deaf mute children. And for those of you that want to follow up and subject yourself to the more gruesome details of this Posta link in the non official nonprofits discussion group. But when he was eleven a monk who were to the institute as an indicator, started teaching quote, special secret signs for things like masturbation, Felicia penis and anus. Initially didn't understand why. I mean, I. Yeah, didn't understand why why he was being taught these particular these strange secret signs. Of course, yeah. And then one and then quote, then one day it became very clear when one of the priests made the secret sign for Felicia, when we were alone, which was followed by him, pushing his erect penis into my mouth and quote. From that point on just said through his interpreter interpreter often using fast and somewhat violent sign language as tears, ran down his face priests and the brothers would give a sign to the young boys and then take them to special rooms just up. He said, were used for time out punishments as well as resting areas, right? He says that because everyone was deaf at the school except those who worked there. No one could hear these screams and cries of. Yeah, it's. Yeah, it's why called sexual predators. They know how to cover their asses, especially when it's institutionalized. Yeah. Well, it's like you. Finding victims like targeting phone will boo people. I just. I think you have a line on this Dennis, which is why are there still Catholic still Catholics Catholics, your complicit in this. Yeah, I just sorry to demand change rear you. Were the member of an organization that facilitated this. Lucchino. Yeah, call into call in to be or hockey than and tell tell me, tell me why, why the fuck your, whatever. You're okay with just justify being a Catholic. Yeah. I mean. So part of it is hang on all all skip through some of this. I don't know. I thought I had more of a stomach for this today, but do you feel like you wanna do I win on pretty long push? It's the. Yeah. Let me see. To to. I mean. We're gonna win. Yeah, I have a pallet cleanser. Yeah. When you create something as horrific as a systematic method for grooming children for sex, you're going to take steps to protect it. I mean, yeah. Yeah. Quote, of course we screamed and cried just said, sometimes he would see priests coming into the dormitory at night, or you would see friends with tears, rolling down their faces and you knew exactly what had just happened. You didn't need to hear to no end quote. I worked for this is the reporter worked for the Indiana Department of child services for over half a decade and can anecdotally tell you special needs. Children are by far more likely to be abused than those without special needs. They're less likely to know that something is wrong, which means they're less likely to report that something is wrong. If they're able to communicate that something is wrong in the first place. Right research also supports the author's opinion here according to the article. And because of course he is. Pope Francis is involved, which is part of the reason that the stories stood out to me because yes, Catholic church, systematic rape, etc. So. There's a, there's another victim Julieta. I my camping. I can't pronounce the name of the moment, but was one of the victims at the Provo institute. She says she was first abused by father, Ricardo commend as who worked at the institute for. The abuse went on for three years before her parents found out and filed a complaint. The abuser was then transferred by the archdiocese of windows areas under the direction of then cardinal Jorges. Mario Mario goalie, oh, whom you probably better know as pope Francis. So. Up until you know, I, I read this story. I would say yeah, always the best pope so far because it's such a low bar, but I can't even bring myself to compare these things anymore because it's just sort of. Well, I mean it's a pretty low bar try and slither under. Yeah. This. Twenty thirteen. Any is echo and thirteen other victims of fourteen victims sent a letter to. Then pope Francis, which he proceeded to ignore the letter was never answered by Francis and a knee as co did receive proof of receipt. So he got the letter. He just ignored. She is lobbying a court in Argentina to open a civil suit against the pope for overlooking complaints when he was the head of the archdiocese. The watchdog website, Bishop accountability, lines, five cases that pope Francis overlooked as cardinal. One concerns, father Julio's, who's are grassy. The Catholic church has been able to run the most efficient and long running child sex abuse ring in the history of the world. Congratulations. You're the best at something? No. Other organization in the history of history has outperformed their efficiency. Well, this appoint for Francis himself as waning. For for various reasons in parts. The people that want to keep to more sort of orthodox traditions don't like how me. Religio city is dying. Anyway, city is dying, but it's like amongst Catholics, Francis support for Francis is kind of waning because he's changing things up or whatever the Honey as. Yeah, we're out of the honeymoon phase. He's not as good as the one two popes ago apparently. And I'm sorry until I don't think that it's necessarily continuing knowledge of rape. It's just sort of pointing out that, ooh, he said something nice about homosexuals, isn't the same as making any fucking difference in what the organization does. Yeah. The Catholic church continues to enjoy support from one point. Two billion people stories like this. Yeah, two billion pedophile neighbors. Yeah. And then the author goes on to say that he wishes that hell was real well. Okay. For that reason. All right. So I'm not sure that any further editorializing is necessary. Same shit different day. Yeah. Did you guys know that rape was bad and that child. And that child. Oh, yeah. Evidently, not everyone does. So that they don't get to talk to us about morality? No, yeah. No, I ever. There's also. One of my other stories is the Piscopo church confronting its pastoral and sexual exploitation. I guess what it's not just Catholics, they've got some, but they blow them out of the water. Do we have to? I mean, it's the news that doesn't mean we listener mail listener mail. Listener. Listeners for sending us male. Let's do that real quick. Yeah, let's see. Dammit. Just stop raping people, please from Bernard. All right. Dr. Scrolling through my preferred newspaper website Frankfurter Alamein. I came upon an article with the headline Catholic college. Priests loses job overstatements about homosexuality as normal thinking person. That's what I tend to think of myself. Usually the first thing that came to my mind was great. They're getting rid of a homo phobic. Priest seems like these Catholics are making progress about far from it, the pre-state professor of the New Testament as as NAR. Asking me to pronounce German hair. Ver- Finney made positive statements about homosexuals and advocated for approval in the church. He suggested the damn nation of homosexuality and the bible Zan bigamous and should be restated, ambiguous z. congregation of Catholic education. However says he can't hold his position anymore due to his statements and denied him the hill of Stott certificate of conformity view, new smart. Moreover, the Vatican demands a public revocation. I hope saying. Against his employer. But let's see. I'm a big fan of your show hosts and co hosts, everyone involved the keep on educating and lightning people all over the world. I wish it wasn't so depressing to do that. Yeah. Who was the mail from again. Bernard, what's the name of the? Thank you really, though guy? Yeah. What's the name of it? Was his name. A. n. s. g. a. r.. Guard you to pronounce it who you c. h. e. r. p. f. e. n. n. i. g. do they. Like an f. right verve. Better. That's actually. I don't in as it were, but that's probably closer. I'm I'm terminal. In my mind, you just sort of just. Yeah. However, many million speakers out there. German in ninth grade and I can you say squirrel? No, I I got to ten, but that's about it. Why do we need? We need to pass this too much Catholic raping, and he lost his position for saying, maybe we should be nice to homosexuals. And then there's this guy that Nord five cases of rape and then became the pope. Yeah. What are the next door at ten. All right. I survi- I veer fulled zeks Sieben ox on saying, hey, I'm sure those. We're going to get some comments about my pronunciation, but yeah, bring it on. Guy. Jamie, I was trying to want to. There was some nickname in World War Two cherries for. That actually that might be really insulting. So I'm sorry. Probably is. Yeah. So I'm really glad that I definitely did not say it as thing doesn't count. All right. So India, this is reporting by the AP from New Delhi. There is a temple in southern India. That is one of the largest Hindu pilgrimage centers in the world is set to open its doors to females of menstruating age after a ruling by the country's top court. All right. So apparently discrimination against women based on the fact that they are of menstruating age the which is ages ten to fifty is that so some one thousand police officers cleared protesters from the vicinity of or we're going to get way more notes on my pronunciations in this story than yours. All right. Go for it. Take a deep breath. Sabari Malla temple in Carola state on Wednesday, which is a on October seventeenth. So that was all on. I mean, I. I don't know. It's it's languages where there's a transliteration where I feel like just literally pronouncing the letters is probably safer. But like actually, you know, like. Yeah. Languages with the same alphabet may actually be harder to. Although the feelings are all different in any case back to the actual news. So they some one thousand police officers cleared protesters hours before the temples doors were set to open to females, ages ten to fifty, which is I think a broad, wow, sweeping, huge swath. I'm not an expert on anatomy at all much less female anatomy. They were making sure there were no none of this menstruating. It's so okay. I want to say how do people rats, but like why specify the menstruation? And if the ancient religion, I like that opens the gay to, they're not going to let them in if they are menstruating at the time. How are they going to check? I? I mean, I, I want to applaud them, but this is just. They've opened to women who can so maybe I'm reading too much. Yeah. So eleven protesters were arrested for trying to block the path of some female visitors on Tuesday. Hundreds of demonstrators stopped buses carrying devote Yee's to two of the temples base camps and asked female visitors to show documents to prove their age television video, show the protesters turning violent and attacking the cars and vans of some female reporters and TV crew members. Some distance from the temple. What? Yeah. Well, they're reporting on the pro. Yeah, no. Oh, all the eastern religions are super peaceful. Actually, there's still religion. So. They impose random rules entirely detached from reality that if you break they're more important than you were humans. It's like I said, the other set it on talk, even. It's like we have human traditions that it's still celebrate. Oh, you get a birthday candle. Oh, the cake. Has the number of candles equal to your age? O- or sometimes when your age is really big it had they do the numbers instead of the Durant thing. If that was explicitly part of a religion, there would have been a schism over whether or not you could have just, you know, right? Twenty two candle in a five candle, whether you had to have twenty-five candles and whether or not they had to be burning and all blown out by the person. Like the point you make those things very serious and real and there's consequences. Real goof off. There would be penalties for. Not blowing out all the candles in a single breath. I feel like might be judgment. There would be. It was sign of, you know how blessed your I, the. Our ho. How did you wear. It took him three breaths. This is a year of bad fortune for him. Yeah, it's got to be careful because we could be actually creating a religion right now. I, I was. I was just like this to to sort of as as an imitation, like air put it in his book. Yes, except he wants to fill it with things that are actually good, and he's giving me excuses for why he doesn't write very much in there, which is like. Open mind noodling us have to say about this. Yeah, that's actually, I don't know when we have the contact with them, we could ask. But in any case, it's sort of reminds me of things like when people go to alive showing of the room or like a midnight showing of rocky horror. And there's all of these traditions, right? But no one gets stoned or violent Lee protested against for not bringing toast in newspaper rocky horror or a bunch of plastic spoons to the room or you're not dressing up the Ren fair. Yeah, I've never done. Yeah, but also none. Like even amongst nerd traditions, no one gets discriminated against for being of menstruating age of -ly. Such a bit of of. Events rating age seems like such an unnecessary, discriminatory, because it's like. Ancient religion. Oh, unholy, an unclean over sharing. Yeah, it's it's it's gut feelings that are then applied to God, and therefore there's a bunch of rules and rituals about get your vagina way. I mean, I was I was a little bit surprised when you talked about the the violence, but yeah, it's. Really shouldn't be as also there. There's a pretty big uptake and like men's rights activists and insulin culture blossoming in India right now, is there. Yeah. Okay. Well, I mean, the India also has a rape problem where that's sort of rampant heard society. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I mean to be clear, I. Just look at the response of Star Wars fans to episode one, right? Like. Care about things that are not important. I know that I will. You know, we'll get. Yeah, I've just really isn't Popa Star Wars to excommunicate me elementary. Wait a minute. Jed. I is a religion, right? So let me let's get the rest of the story with blasphemer anymore there. No, there's some. There's some more details. So you know, there's the New Delhi television channel reported that some twenty protesters surrounded a bus in which a reporter of the news minute channel was traveling and tried to pull her out. The reporter was kicked by angry protesters who also hurled abuses at her New Delhi TV reported since a state court ruling in nineteen Ninety-one. The centuries old temple has barred, women and girls ages ten to fifty from entry from entering India's Supreme Court lifted the ban last month holding that equality is supreme, irrespective of age and gender. So really for them despite the local violent lawless response, this is a ruling by the supreme court of India that no equality Trump's religion. Now. Justin. So in that regard, this mean according to that debt, every one is allowed in the temple. I think excluded people, irrespective of age, gender agent under. I'll be honest. I haven't read the supreme court ruling. I wonder if I wonder if it it, it overcomes the caste system that's there. I don't know betting enshrined the caste system is in long or. Depends on how rural rural, the area's. That I mean, which thousand stories that were reported today? Are you talking about. A stroke of progress there. I mean, no Bravo. Credit credit is. Credited this day. They have a a good supreme court. Yeah. Yeah. Well, progress is good news. Yeah. Well, I mean to be clear. So there's arguments that the celebrate nature of the temple's presiding deity, Lord, oh, there's no way. Did I read on. Lord, there's two why is in a row. All right. JABA is protected by India's constitution goes. Some figures consider menstruating women to be impure, right? Meghna pant a theme who's all about. I'm so sorry, if I've missed pronounce your name. If you male activists, said, the celibacy of the deity was no more important than the equality of women. What a fucking novel concept. Supporters of the ban are angered by the states government's decision not to seek a review of the supreme court's ruling. There's an attorney for the temple appeal to female voters, not to enter the temple and give a thorns until next week to file review petition in the supreme court. I'm gonna go ahead and state based on the fact that there were protests that that didn't happen, but effectively attorney went well. Okay. We're going to appeal this so that we can still ban you from the temple. Please just act like you're still banned for a little while. Let's see. Up to fifty million voters, visit the temple every year. Several temples across India have banned women saying the policy is intended to preserve the purity of their shrines. Fuck that is my editorializing the raiders of temple in northwest in the northwestern state. I could've stopped. I, the northwestern state of. Blue Rosh Thon okay. Believe the Hindu, God. Cartoony k.. Curses. Women who enter the temple instead of blessing them because they believe their gods are sexist as well. India's secular courts have intervened recently in cases in which a religion, gender beliefs. We're seeing as discriminatory as opposed to their gender beliefs are seen as non discriminatory to be fair. Gods are made in man's image. Yeah, and it makes sense made that point made in man's image. It makes sense that there would be sexist hassles. Yeah, doesn't though doesn't. In any case, do you have another piece of listener mail? No. Or you have a snowing give question? Oh, you had a question. I had a question. Yeah, I haven't question. Right. What was what was the gods supposedly original plan. Regarding humans. You mean like garden of Eden? Well, they're, they're, they're, they're sitting garner Vedran if his plan had worked and the humans hadn't eaten the the, the fruit and fall and all that stuff. Eating the fruit of the chair, and we are sure that there was no death. Then there would be no one in heaven, right? I mean, yeah. Well, in the Old Testament authors wouldn't want anyone. Yeah, you'd have to make heaven later. Well, he was walking around in the garden with them sort of thing. I've heard some people say that Eden was supposed to was actually heaven. Yeah, for that, what? Yeah, now that that's bullshit, but it's in Jackson county, Missouri. What are the prophets have said clearly, but then why. You know why allow. Then this Jesus character comes along and the flood. Gates are open. Anyone can go into the, you know, the big amusement park in the sky. It's like what? So that last point I'm not sure I get. Before g. Exclusive. Well, it's like before Jesus, was there any way to get into heaven for a fall and all? I mean, presumably now either either fucked up in which case he's not. Why would he give us these rules to live by if there was no reward for following them? There he fucked up as he's not infallible, or he didn't fuck up. In which case we're not responsible, or rather Adam and eve were not responsible because he was bored of his plan. I mean, tell tell Adam and eve to be fruitful multiply. No, that's success. Kicked them out. I don't think I don't. I don't think that's something that he said to Adam and eve. I have. I have the tech gonna have to factor Jerry. Jerry out the by. If he told them to be fruitful, multiply. I think I read Lianne was the garden of artful disgust, how many people there would be? Well, I don't know. Today. I don't know if we need to nitpick what order things were said in because it also says in Genesis that you know, we had plants before we had the sun. So, yeah, actually, there's two, there's no death and there's absolutely no mitigating factor towards population grow. I had out at the surface of the earth will be covered with human beings up to some horrendous step. Well, actually I don't know that the garden of Eden covered the well. It's here in Genesis one. Twenty eight didn't expect that. Yeah. Actually, we should get an English translation of a bunch of holy books and have a segment on it, but God blessed them. And God said to them, quote, be fruitful, multiply, filthier, and subdue it rule the fish of the sea, the birds of the sky and every creature that crawls on the earth. Yeah. Assuras. Yes. I think that that passage is where you get dominion. Isu- are like climate change Nyerere's and say. The earth is our city with as we've lease. Christian two minutes minor sending that title refers specifically to wanting the government to be Jesus institution, those mixed up. I don't know. So I mean, certainly there's the like, oh, we're supposed to have dominion over the earth and that the that being one that and then the end of the Noah story that's stolen from the God, Asher from different tribe. That just leaving Eden and going out. And yeah, actually, that's kinda weird. That's weird. What are the earth? Is Eden proper earth? Was he. Yeah, yeah. I mean, he created the heavens in the beginning. Yeah. Oh. Oh, is the heavens the same as heaven? I think. Yes, I think I think that we can come to that conclusion. I don't know. He created the heavens before sit heaven is a supernatural around, but the heavens are thing you can see. I don't know. It's all up to interpretation. Yeah. So I mean, that's what we have over one hundred different nomination. This isn't so until this is actually Eric's copy until Eric gotta copy. I hadn't read the apologetic study bible. So I'm sort of enjoying the little things. The sideline these little boxes that are twisted scripture nicer than mine. So my question created a bunch of secondary question. Interesting, sort of all right. Yeah, we should. We're gonna. I'm gonna take this argument ponderings on it to the discussion group, I think. All right. Well, okay. But we should. We should come up with a proposed answer for your question, which was what was his original plan? Yeah, I don't know. You started off by just logically pointing out that this doesn't make any fucking sense. But I challenge you to actually engage with his BS. I think that he always intended the, you know, presupposing that any of this is true. Let's just let's just pretend he always intended for us to be a bunch of fuck ups that that he's cruise with that. That sounds reasonable. He knew he knew what was going to happen. So yeah, then then let me positive this in a model where the God of the Old Testament is just sort of fucking with us how accurate would description of b, because presumably particularly if he's all powerful, then he wouldn't let us. So for example, if there's a secret where you say his name backwards twice defeated. That he wouldn't write that in this book is this book like a subversion of his plan to dominate or. We should do this. We should do this every episode and then we should alternate it with discussions that are the equivalent of this about Lord of the rings because it's basically the same many years ago. I read an article on some guy did the math on take kill people, and you be fruitful and multiply with no death for however many thousand years and how many people there would then be, and everyone was fruitful athlete numbers. Doing this thing. He's like how many and it was it was it was like bearing the surface of the earth. You know, miles deep in just human flesh might question is his model love to find that article in his model, right? So the Old Testament as people living hundreds of years. Yeah. His model, they continue to have it. Children, why not? Yeah. This. It's worse than geometric for Gretchen. I remember quadrille liens of people. It'd be awful. I remember I saw a clip of Eric ov- and confronting Bill Nye when he was on stage asking about how can Evelyn beach Fru. If we only have such such of people and Eric Oben didn't take new count, people die. Also that basically basic multiplication. Yeah, like. Ten of course. A hundred. Yeah. And then ten times a hundred. And then basically, yeah. Wait, how was he trying to argue against the existence of evolution as saying that there's not enough people on earth, I think, yeah, it was a while ago, right thing I would. Yeah, he would. He would think, does he know how long people died in childbirth and Queen? Whichever. Twelve children, two of which lived past the first day financial growth that he didn't take into account exponential grief. And yeah, build. I was I was way too nice to him. To see. Can you take into account that in the last fifty years, the population of the earth has more than doubled like whatever it's fine. I it's not fine, but moving on writing. All right, on my question. Okay. I mean, was that on your question? The great. Okay. Well, we've got another Downer story. Oh, all right. Yeah. But then after that, we'll get some shit, so considerable. Good. Yeah. All right. And back to the raping. If you have to laugh to keep from crying for that. I mean, we don't. You don't have to. It's my defense mechanism. So the episcopal church confronts past role in sexual exploitation is reporting of New York with striking displays of candor. The episcopal church is acknowledging the potency of the hashtag metoo movement by officially lamenting its past role in sexual exploitation and pledging steps to combat it. For what that's worth. We'll see the process denominations national convention the summer included an emotional session at which first person accounts of abuse by clergy and other church personnel were read aloud by bishops of the same gender as victims six men, six women diocese nationwide, or now seeking to gather and share similar stories from victims and their local church communities. That process of story sharing has been particularly dramatic in the diocese of New York where Bishop Andrew. I thought it was free of it straight. I don't know. Diet shoe. I can't pronounce German either. It's here. It's it's, it's that one. At. No learnings. So German is two languages ago released a blunt pastoral letter on September. Eleventh described the most famous of his predecessors, the late Paul, more junior as a serial predator who engaged in longtime patterns of sexual exploitation and abuse more as a charismatic Bishop of the diocese from nineteen seventy-two tonight. Nine hundred nine became one of the nation's four. Most liberal Christian activists. He supported the ordination of women and gays. Well, a sailing racism corporate avarice in various US military policies. It has been known for a decade that Moore who died in two thousand and three was bisexual and had a long extramarital affair that began when a young man came to him for counseling. Moore's daughter honor more great. Okay. I'm just going to let that name go revealed. That is in a two thousand eight memoir shortly after the memoirs publication, then Bishop Mark Sisk. Interview issued a pastoral letter, describing more as quote and exploiter of the vulnerable and quote who had been the subject of multiple complaints. But the scope of Moore's abusive sexual misconduct has become known only this year notably at catskill mountains retreat in the spring attended by clergy from the New York diocese. At one session, participants were invited to share stories about difficulties. They faced in their ministries. Among those at the event was Reverend Alison Quinn rector of Christ, the king, his church in stone ridge, New York. As recounted by Quin in a may six sermon. One female priests arose to denounce more as a serial exploiter who had affairs with many young priests and lay people Quinn said a male priest in his sixties came next saying, I was one of Paul Moore's boys, he seduced me when I was a new priest, it nearly ruined my life and quote. Quinn recalled. Many of us were in tears at the end of the morning at the suffering. We heard terrible mix of good and evil and human beings at the broken nece in the church. Honor more in an interview said she was dismayed that are farther was the only person named in Deitch skids letter and objected to the label, quote, sexual predator, and quote, it doesn't seem like a fair term. She said he was a sexually active gay man who lived in an era of unfortunate boundaries. So there's a little bit of pushback there. Neither the retreat session, nor the letter had been previously reported as detailed in the letter. The New York diocese is now seeking to gather first person stories from abuse victims throughout the community with plans for November ninth service that would resemble the national convention session which took place here in Austin, Texas in July, which my. Parents attended actually me to task force formed by the diocese, has set up a Google docs program through which victims can anonymously submit accounts of their experiences. There's also a helpline through which callers can receive confidential pastoral care, and another phone number for victims who want to make an official report of sexual misconduct. The diocese is reaching out to abusers as well as victims inviting them to anonymous me anonymously, acknowledged misconduct and repent for it on that point, I don't really know what you do if you're in a position of power and a person has repented for it, if they're still going to serve as a. Shepherd of the people or what have you not everyone wants their story told publicly told someone at responded to privately at the national level. The episcopal response to the metoo movement took shape last January when the bid churches, top leader, presiding Bishop, Michael curry, and one of his colleagues issued an open letter calling for an examination of how the church had quote handled or mishandled cases of sexual harassment, exploitation and abuse through the years and quote ahead of the national convention in Austin, a me too planning team organized the quote liturgy of listening and quote that featured the first person accounts victims among those sharing the stories were a church employees, subject you to route comments from a male rector woman raped by priest from whom she was receiving spiritual guidance. It's an interesting choice of words and acquire voice subjected to emotional physical and sexual abuse. Hundreds of people attended the ninety minute service. The episcopal news service said somewhere in tears when it ended of his exchanged hugs with those near them before the convention adjourned bishops adopt a covenant that commits them to seeking a more forceful response to sexual exploitation and harassment. In addition to holding quote, listening events and their sorry, what you would think you would think? Yeah. I mean, it's sort of like, what is the difference here? I mean, I don't wanna be that guy, but is it just that? Oh, one churches just less institutionally poisoned by this. I mean. Yeah. Like I mean, one, it's still happened but to this is the kind of institutional response that you would want right. Like, you know. And it's sort of like, oh, why is this changing? Why didn't pope Francis student learning about this? And it's, yeah, he was. She was things like if you're a victim of this, why would you seek pastoral care? Yeah, but I feel like the last part was she was receiving spiritual guidance that she was raped by that priest. So I don't think she went back to that priests to receive no, no things you were saying earlier was that people can receive pastoral care and I don't know why you would phone call. Yeah. I mean, why would you. Real therapist grief really. I mean, it's interesting because the the feeling of the episcopal church as it's been communicated one, there was a split over a lot of ordination of women apparently was was easier than ordination of people that are gay people that are gay and practicing in quotes in that. But there's a character of sort of, well, we didn't speak up. When the question on the morals, you know, public square was slavery, and so there's this sort of urge to make up for it. It kind of drives, you know, leadership in his church. I'm not a member anymore. There's an episcopal church with my baptism records, but I don't know. It's I, I'd like to see somewhere. I would like my only problem with the church to be that I think they're wrong rather than holy shit. You're still protecting rapists, actually that that'd be nice. It'd be nice. It seems like you know, cautiously, optimistic. If you wanna amusing pallet cleanser. Yeah, you'd have anything. It was like the only one. Optimistic about the cautiously optimistic. I can't be. I gotta wait until what New York says there there. You know and investigation uproots it's I, I would hope. It's not looking good. Dennis a comment you made actually safeway's really nicely into a a quick story I'll make for it. And then we can then we can do the pelican. All right. So this is Wisconsin, Wisconsin, attorney general establishes chaplain program. With six men. Chaplain program for what? For law enforcement officers. Earlier here, Wisconsin attorney general. I'm just gonna, Brad Schmeel, their price tag on the gave a speech in which he explained that suicide was a greater threat to police officers in the state than getting killed in the line of duty, doing anything. He everything he can to prevent suicide. He's hiring six Christian chaplains to deal with the mental health of cops. All have you heard of psychologists? Yes. All kinda seems like he hasn't all six or white men a masseuse that the entire police forces not just white men and is not just Christian sorta say the white men partial the academic credentials of one of them amounts to little more than a degree. In quote, biblical studies also future chaplains will receive taxpayer funded training. The f. f. r. reached out to general saying religion can and will not fix this problem. Officers deserve high phone of fide, real world aid from qualified professionals. Not ministers whose expertise is or interest is really theology is inappropriate in unconstitutional for the government to insert religious ministers situations. We're leaving seriously injures or mentally ill officers and community members need help. Yeah. Just again, if if if at the end of the day, a police officer goes home and praise over there, dinner and praised before they go to sleep in prison. Yep, that's your. That's your. I don't. I think that that does more benefit in your head than in the real world, but you're spending taxpayer dollars on this shit lake. I again, and as you said, get real help. Yeah. Yeah. Why would you want. More of what doesn't work. I mean like so. I can envision. I don't know why I'm feeling accommodation est today. I can envision a scenario where, yeah, I kind of do. Oh my God. Here. We won't take too long on this because then got one last segment before we close out, but it's gonna be. Rage. So. Okay. With a Pang envision as an area where they hire, like a staff psychologist go and that costs money, and it's a service that you're providing and for you to say, look, particularly the job of being a police officer and when you're in that uniform and you pull someone over right the the most dangerous part of interacting with public that a police officer does traffic stops. That's when they get shot because the person that's getting pulled over doesn't know whether they're being pulled over as a routine stop because they were speeding or because part of their income is identity theft, and they need to not be arrested or for whatever reason. Right. And so then that's that's psychologically traumatizing, you deal with the gun. There was a story about a police officer. Who had ended up having, you know, almost standoff with two young children because they were holding realistic looking, a air soft, right? Whatever the need for psychological care is very much there and I'm happy for the state to pay for that. And I'm almost no, actually, I'm wavering because if you give them a voucher, for sure you can take this and go spend it on the care that you think you need somewhere else on really more of a kind of micro scale. Just this. To any church and talk to a passer. That's the point is. Yeah, do it. And to the I could do that, I would just not tell them that I was. I'm pretty sure of free male officers who have, you know? Yeah, they wanna talk about sexual abuse misconduct probably aren't going to be too comfortable talking to one of these six white dude's. Yeah. But you had your police officers to go to church either? Yeah, that's true. Well. I mean, I'm sure any eighties officers or any of those who are not. I was about saying there's a difference between you can't do that, and it's unconstitutional unconstitutional. There is a difference now, but who knows the bigger problem is any anyone who's not comfortable talking to these six, you know, Christian white dudes. They are not going to be getting the the mental health that they normally would be getting under a, you know, a secular way therapists ahead actually is, you know, actually knows what the fuck are doing. Yeah, it's in train out of FedEx that affects the community. If a police officers, mental health is not here for yeah, cared for. That affects how they read, how they interact with community and it all goes downhill from there. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, what you want Christians talking to them with their black and white. Morality because that will diffuse situations. Yeah, that's gonna make does it. You know how much it 'cause I don't know, and we just, can we stop doing this? Provide people. With care for mental health concerns. Desks. You're gonna do thing, and we're going to do. There? I'm gonna do it. You said there was fun? Yes, yes. Okay. Excellent. Headline pretty much says it all one measure which is outnumbered Presbyterians in the United States. There's a good chance self self-described which is in the US currently outnumber Presbyterians according to courts, which recently published a piece about the explosive growth in Wicca. That's based on the fact that the Pew Research Center said in two thousand fourteen that wiccans represented zero point four percent of the population. That's roughly one point, five million people and the religion is growing in numbers. Meanwhile, the Presbyterian church in the USA pig membership at one million four hundred fifteen thousand fifty three by the end of twenty seventeen. So. So getting more which is cool. What does it take to convert to Wicca? I don't know. Wiccans please call into our lives shows. Yeah, just right into the nonprofits. We've got emails as well. Yeah. Yeah. They're trying to avoid talking to people on Facebook discussion group that you're definitely. Yeah, definitely. Definitely an. Senator which craft and the occult would rise. A society becomes increasingly or rejection of Christianity as the void that people are inherently, spiritual beings will seek to fill. Inherently spiritual. Yeah, I mean, yeah. No, I know people that are I know people personally or like, yeah, no, I don't know what I believe spiritual be. The church is bullshit, but God to be something else out there. They're going to cast a spell levels. Dead flies. Like I consider not doing they're not making laws. Yeah. Could you. That everyone has you know that scientists reliant? Yeah, no polytheism is more fun anyways to. Yeah. No, I've always preferred making up my own. Do what thou will. Harman will. Thanks for that. That was great. Yeah, it is kind of interesting though that there's more self described, is it self described Presbyterians, because I don't know in my experience, lots of people that are like, well, we're going to go to the Baptist church, but the pres-. Better cookies or something like how the fuck the key thing is. Do you know there's a difference between those two? The key thing is by one measure. Wow. I don't think it's supposed to. Research, it's it's Pew Research reporting on the number of weakened and then Presbyterian self reporting, Churchill reporting church numbers are lower self reporting, church numbers are rarely lower than the actual number. In many cases, they over report church of Jesus Christ latter-day way, which is. Yeah. Oh, all right. I do to make. Let's give the witches. Can we? They're close in number because one was one point. Four and one was one point five. So if they're roughly the same number, can we put prayer against spells? I don't know. I think they're both technically magic, so well, yeah, but one is Jesus e magic, no magic of an ancient Jewish person. So we'll see if they have if they're their method of, you know, swaying society is sticking pins and little whatever majett spell they have different. Nothing will happen in. It's all good. Well, yeah. No, again, I'm I guess Ray as much as you'd like for lots of things, but I dunno, I thought just Wicca incorporate elements of do. I don't. Speaking out of complete and utter ignorance. Okay. Well, I'm actually, I'm glad we had that exchange because now we're not gonna get a bunch of Email. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Saves from any. Pointing complaining about my characters. Yeah. Well, whatever. But at that point it's like, yeah, we know we've acknowledged it. So it's the. Well, I think. That y'all should brace yourself because we are about to do our best to enjoy some shit internet. Awesome. And this week it's about rape. Okay. So. These guys are gonna revolt. All right. It's just it's so ridiculous and rage inducing. It's also weird because it's it's Cavanaugh related. He's, you know, whatever. But the the focus is on how a Christian pastor comes to his defense, right? Which is, of course the headline being Christian pastor defense cavenaugh colon quote, the bible says no scream, no rape and quote. Right. Yeah, I found this article too. Yeah. Go for gin pastor and former member of the Indiana house of representatives. Because of course he fucking is Don voice has a message for everyone attacking it was when they article came out. He was cord nominee now supreme court Justice. Brett Cavanaugh boys says that according to the bible quote, no scream no rape and quote, in his own words, boys explains rape is having sex with a woman while she screams for help no scream, no rape according to her on me twenty two versus twenty three and twenty four. Ford says, Cavanaugh held his hand over her mouth. So did she scream for help? Why? After from screaming God damn it. Yeah. Yeah, that while it's sort of. It's a fuck man. It's it's the the Ono he should get off on a technicality of ancient Hebrew law. Oh yeah, except I mean, there's already the passage in the second. He's wrong about what it says. Dickel don't worry. Don't worry. The bible isn't as bad as this guy. So did she scream for help what his hand was was elsewhere after all it was in the bedroom of a house. Surely one of the other fourteen could have heard him scream. When she bit his hand, did she bite his hand, poke him in the eye. Women know instinctively how to protect their honor, screaming, shouting, slapping fittings, lugging and stabbing with a finger pencil or happen. Oh my God, I missed the first. He said, hat pin, what a okay since she did not cry out or stab him, I will not believe her without a film of the event. That's wrong. So many levels begin buck, this guy that bull so fuck. Yeah. Fuck this book, but also let me explain why even his stupid argument is. Yeah. So. It'll help that he's wrong even on his own terms. I think they don't mean this is twenty two versus twenty three through twenty four. If a man is discovered having sexual relations with another man's wife, both the man who had sex with the woman and the woman must die. You must purge the evil from Israel. If there is a young woman who is a virgin engaged to a man and another man encounters her in the city and sleeps with her, take the two of them out to the gate of that city and stoned them to death the young woman because she did not cry out in the city and the man because he has violated his neighbors fiance, you must purge the evil from you. Okay. So actually I thought that up a little bit because I read verse twenty two as well. So it's just the part about if there's a young woman who's a virgin and engaged and the man. Gets punished because she's property any fucked somebody else's property. Yeah, so that that's why he gets punished. Yeah, but I also in someone else's property. I mean, what? What? What's undependable in biblical terms, he's arguing incorrectly. This applies to young woman who is virgin, who's engaged? Yeah, definitely bible. I guess that's why he got off Scot free then, right. Yeah, I mean, right. Yeah. Yeah, all these damaging ecu's accusations. We've had some damaging accusations like that and get to become the, you know, spring court on the supreme court. Well, mazing how it ruined his career. It's sort of like, oh, it's who winning his career before he was on the supreme court. He was appointed to the appellate court for life. Yeah. So I. Whatever before you to- I but this this, this, this, this, mostly it's, it's counts as shit ended. Apologize, say because his argument is so shit as well. One every part of it is Hanes and reprehensible. So that's not even what the things says, right. There's lots of parts in the bible that excuse rape. You've picked the wrong part of the bible to defend your rapist. Most Christians don't know the bible. Well, yeah. I mean, this guy's a pastor though he's supposed to at least know how to do research. Great. Yeah, this is a reference thing. Whatever, but. No, damn it. I wanna get back to the next thing, absolute human piece of crap. This guy is. Oh yeah, this this guy. Yeah. Sorry, I was about to read something else in the bible. It was dumb. T. Oh, he also cites the New Testament. Are monsters walk among us. He he continued by saying, moreover, Matthew eighteen sixteen clearly commands that there must be at least two witnesses to validate a charge against a person. This is a repeat of Old Testament law. Ford has no witnesses. The other. She is a witness would be my counter to that. The other man who was allegedly there. Mark judge said, quote, it's absolutely nuts. I never saw bread act. That way, quote, I don't know that Marcha ever said that my understanding was that he remained silent and didn't give me this week and other team. It was supposed to be there. Patrick j Smith said the incident did not happen that should settle it. Now, let's all go home. Put down the shades and get some sleep. That's a weird way from to every. It was going to get through this because I read it and was prepared for all the crap. But somehow the bible says, it's ok, so stop talking about it. Yeah, the bible says allies saying, we're ok guys stop talking about it. It's it's a non issue because the bible says that you know their head to be two people. Otherwise, it's not a reports cream. Cream walking letter. But wait, there's more so, yeah, basically this this portion of the show could also be named Jamie tortures. His co hosts with cramp so really bad too, but we're going to get to boys continues lesson to be learned are many Brett Cavanaugh should not have been drinking. Let alone been drunk if he was there. Why the bible in that you fuck? And why was a fifteen year old girl at such a party? Why did she go to a bedroom with two a drunk or sober boys. Was she drinking had she been sexually promiscuous? It's her fault. She's a girl. The last two sentences are my additional. You know, you could almost not tell. And and finally, his is final thing that I'm gonna read from this book. I've had some experience with being deceived, my daughter and I were alone when after noon, when I heard something break, I yelled Tammy, what happened. What had happened was my small daughter broke an expensive vase. I had purchased in Athens, Greece, she pretended she did not know what happened. It just fell off the table. She said, I can still see her standing in the door of my office with guilt all over her face, like most people, she wanted to blame others instead of taking the responsibility. I have told that story all over the world, but it didn't happen that way. It wasn't Tammy. It was Susan, Susan is adamant that it was her not her younger sister who was the culprit However, I can see clearly, Tammy my doorway. I could pass a polygraph test, but it would still not make Tammy guilty or sue. Susan, innocent. I have been wrong about that vase for thirty five years until I was proved wrong. Doesn't matter what a test might show, whatever the test results. It ain't so same with judge Cavenham. I think the most disturbing part of that is he thinks those are comparable or even fucking related. Yeah. I didn't understand the hit guys. Solder and Tammy that he believed broke his vase. Because Wayne e when she was young, she looked guilty, hey, broke a vase that he'd but broke and she looked guilty and it's a young kid. And so he assumed that it was that. And he was like, oh, I would have passed graph test. Something else, but it was Susan. So he was like, oh, and I didn't from thirty five years. I was wrong. And then by testimony thirty, five years after the fact that was only a single woman telling you what happened. You believed that. And that's how you knew what happened. Thirty five years ago. Not to mention that poli grabs are suicide. It's no, it's just sort of. Vast, it demonstrates that thirty five years after the fact. Susan, a single woman told him, no, this you, you may have thought that that happened, this happened and then he believed her. So for all the talk of, oh, it's been thirty five years and I don't believe a single witness, etc. Blah, blah, blah. Apparently, there are instances where you do congratulations on your inconsistency. And with that, I think it is time. Do what an asshole, what an ending, such a such. Dennis, I can take us out well, that was our adventure. We'll be back in three weeks on the seventh of November. Once we've all been raised from the dead until then spender experience and count your loot. Cubes giving VH close enough. So that space between you. 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