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#158 Justice League Dark: Apokolips War

Krypton Report: The Supergirl Podcast

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#158 Justice League Dark: Apokolips War

"As a sip of what? This is Jason J. Louis. The Voice of Superman on Justice League actions wave while you're listening to the crypt on report. And you're listening to be all things for Tony and Fahd Casting Superman and supergirl. We discussed teams cartoonist shows and find us on facebook youtube and twitter own welcome to the Krypton report sadly it is time to discuss the apocalypse war. It is I tyler. The Superman of blue and with me is James. The Superman of red. Who sadly is now the Superman Green? Who's been with his liquid and of beard but even the world alone we brought in our are descended from the House of L. Biller thanks thanks. Have Young guys. Hey Ray how's it going man? Con Good ranks agree with that. That's what I meant to say. It's early on. He was on the other side down at the last miles. Like wait a minute. We have connor with this and raise is not with us. I miss you guys both so my brain just went to push. I'm thinking about coffee and maybe it will help right right. Unfortunately I believe wouldn't really had time to watch enough. Maybe the catch up to apocalypse or as I'm sure he would have walked so come on over the last few weeks. We actually did a planned. Rewatch that way. We catch up rewatch all of the movies. Since flashpoint we've got two episodes It's split up into two parts because it was a long episode discussing all of the continuity films before this. Yeah yeah styles telling tall like the wisdom before but I don't really have time because I'm not I listened. I drive and I'm just obviously not driving side boys doing stuff at Harvard. Yeah I've actually. I've said all the movies in this universe except for The suicide scored one and the ones woman want anyone's I haven't seen so well as it goes The suicide squad one has more ties to this film than wonder woman one does. Yeah we only being in the only biggest thing is the wonder woman one. She ends in her rebirth costume. Which she has been of movie starts. Yeah which yeah. That's that's the biggest thing and you know the thing is this movie. Can you can watch it without all those other films but to really get some the emotional beat some of the story line pay off some of the things it really helps to have seen all those films definitely. Now I do discussion about this with the Caperton Lunatics and one thing I want to bring up and I have in my notes as little saying that she found out and sometimes learn stuff and I just don't ask questions because she has her means that there was other material being in production or was done for stories in this universe that was they may or may not release so seems like maybe. This film was moved up in production. Okay because if you look at you know the last two entries into the into this. We're wondering one bloodlines and Batman. Hush bloodlines feeling like it's moving. A story along building towards more stories down the line cutting in some Easter as threads for future feels Kinda came out of nowhere in the sense that it was just like boom. Here's the end is so I haven't watched one John bloodlines. Could that may be still be canonical for like feature one woman movies or is that terminate references to this universe in a well? I'd say it's too many references just because it dries. You know accents up little things that definitely tie into this universe and you know if you look at this universe justly dark pockets were being the end in flashpoint being the beginning age definitely has a book in feel with both films starting and ending with the flash a flash. Creating the Flash. Point this timeline. Which is it's based off the new fifty two but doesn't stay in the nine. It uses a lot of the ascetic but I mean there's changes throughout it. I mean costume designs change like we talked about. It's interesting how night wing Costa's very standard night wing into the Judas contract and then it was like the new fifty two and then that was changed again so yeah wonder woman. Bloodlines is tied to this pretty well. They've they've got a Justice League. War thing Steve Trevor Crashes on crashes on domestic era because of para demons. I think you know the scouts ahead but the the confusing thing about bloodlines is. There's no time stamps so it kind of it starts out before Justice League war but we don't know how long and then it kind of the whole cold open which is near twenty minutes long before the title card even comes up is all before Justice League war and then after the title card. It's like modern takes place after everything after the death reign of Superman. Well yeah is it. Is it any good little this? It's good of we talked about my thing. Was I think it could have been edited better like the way they chose the the story a little confusing but you know when? I watched that one twice when I watched the second time I watched it with my wife and kids and my kids seem to enjoy it was into it more so I mean it's not a bad movie. I definitely watching it because it does have a lot of great wonder woman things in it. Yeah it was like it was almost like there. They say this is the only wonder woman movie we're GonNa get in this universe so let's put every now put as much in it as as we can and I mean they found a place for everybody that they use in the film. So it's not like it's not like convoluted and each person like doesn't have a role and I do give it. Praised for being the only solo character film in the continuity like Batmans movies has his whole supporting cast in them. Yeah this is just wonder woman has got Steve Trevor. But you know there's Batman popping up. There's no a superman. No other like side cakes characters but yeah they don't they. Don't bring trying to it which we get to see in this interesting thing when we get to see the team shot. Is We get to see speedy. And we saw him at the beginning of Judas contract but then we don't see wally west kid flash lizzy black wally west Flash. You see both had. I looked last night and I didn't. I didn't think I saw him. I'm pretty sure you see both. I could be wrong. But we do know that Wally West. Flash does exist because the scene at the beginning of Judas contract but yeah you have African American wally West Flash with a non speaking parties as well then appear agree with that silver suit that he wears. That was kind of a little interesting. But let's the premise of apocalypse. War Is it picks up. There's a post credits scene after. Hush thing it's no it's after reign of the Superman where the justice are gathered in Lex. Luther walks in and they're talking about going apocalypse. And then what kind of break. This down beat by beat his. The beginning of this starts with Superman very much. I would say character superman on A. I did that. Vase a little but Arcana just short down to heed in you docks. I was going to invade soon because of what happens. Neil's like now never and see I. I talked it down to kind of think Kim wanting to jump in and killed dark side seems a little out of character but I put it down was and you get you get into this part so quickly back what I put it down as is just how superman was killed by darks because he says dude he sent. Doomsday to kill me. Yeah and we had the reign of the Superman which was orchestrated by dark side. Superman is very much angry on edge and fearful of dark side. But this feel like this had to have actually never mind of stop. No you're I was GONNA I was GonNa say this had to have been a while to that 'cause I got married but then I realized there's a two year jump just after the insurers they probably in that Song Act something yeah I can see that But like I. It's his for this movie. What his arcus is. And I feel like it's not fleshed out as much as it should because superman lake part of his of his films carrying the Bergen of up and feeling responsible for what happened. But there's there's no way that you it was just him on the whole thing would have been the trinity planning going with and that's the thing is like I kind of wish. We had seen more at the beginning like Batman beyond board as much with just going to kill dark side did do they plan it out. I got the impression that the charity was fully on board. Because what they're saying yet. And here's our plan and and I mean just to spoil it. Batman has the one is the one who said that sets up the contingency for joining the sideways. And nobody ever had that. Cyborg might be tainted being mother boxed technologies. We'll I guess not didn't think that until I saw a saw a of that my okay so that that's how I fail because I assume that was aware of their every every movement of their plan. Yeah I assume though because it was bad planning or something but I'm glad it was actually a mall because it does make journey westbound. Does I mean they say dark sides atmosphere? It's kind of like our universe. Let's hit in our solar system. Yes that's the thing I didn't. I didn't find that it was out of character for Superman. Because you know if you think about it. They the invasion in war was what brought the Justice League together He created Doomsday and sent doomsday in as an assassin to kill him then he orchestrated and sent in Cyborg Superman to bring him to earth like Dachshund is and then in and then what they speak of in the beginning of this. These are all the planets that dark sides invaded in. Everybody's dead and dark side has now phased into our solar system. Like and it's proven. Dark site is coming for earth. He's he's tried on several occasions so like instead of waiting for him which they know he has an army you know instead of waiting for him to make the first move like he said at the end of Rain We. We're going to take the fight to him so yeah I think he was the fight to make sense but the fact that let's going pill dark side is what kind of feels a little. I mean I don't think he ever said let's go kill dockside I mean. I'm sure it's implied. Gets they kill him in the beginning? Well I mean I don't. I don't really begrudge that because it's dockside either Diet as we could as stupor man explains any he's responsible for for trillions of deaths when he goes to a planet it's just littered with bodies. Yes so he's he's not taking any chances that being said Damian say later on the nominee with more killers is no sir a and I said this week if you look at this film series. Damian has the best arc like the most of your plotting the character's arc that's consistent through all the films and that's looking at a son of Batman Batman I Robin Batman bad blood justice league versus Teen Titans Justice -Ly Earning Teens Judas contract and then this film. That's a very strong arc. Damian has the most movies and he was in Mersin any goats being team taught as well so yeah Batmans movies. But I'm saying they are the development wise definitely where Damian starts and where he is the best character development may not the other characters actually got that many movies I mean. Those Justice League commenced SUV mango to solar movies. But there was just a four this. But there's like no like Justice League supporting cast you know. Yeah so I mean some say one was the one that has a solo solo movie. But so what did you guys think when it started and they're going to apocalypse in the did the two year trump? Did you feel a little cheated? Or were you just. I need that. We're GONNA start flashbacks so I knew I knew they were going to explain what happened I mean they kind of they give you the open. They they invade apocalypse and then you see what they call para dooms later on just swarm them and attack them. And then you know title card and then two years later and the earth is in shambles. You're like oh well. They definitely like they definitely messed up. They definitely lost now. Do you think this movie should've been films? And we should have got more of the war on the planet and the battles or do you like the way it set up with the flashbacks. I knew he'd get flashback. Kind of felt. I kind of wanted to see more of the battle. But I don't know if I like emotionally if I could have handled it just because you these cages you see how brutally they get taken out because there are a lot of characters in this film that are even I mean not all of them have speaking parts much the do but like we said there was the second wall you west that was just drawn in there and then Donna Troy is drawn in the background to see her. Do Anything or get to know that character. But there's a lot of characters that are in this film. They pretty much try very well to pay off every character. They've had I mean we get later not split bat woman battling back girl again. We get to see again and she zan steel and she's been absence. Since the thrones of Atlantis. I think one of the one of the only people is wally West Kit Flash over you think you sore object. I mean it's not a huge deal but it's just one of the things that we know. He's just because they said yeah the previous film. I mean at some point in the comics. Wally quit being the flash because its powers were killing him. So maybe that's kind of you know. We did say that. They kind of started this with the new fifty two type continuity but they quickly expanded beyond that to to incorporate different stories from different decades just to kind of incorporate them in in. Universe. Perhaps you know offscreen. That would be something where wally west quit being flash because his powers were killing him and then this other kid flash takes the mantle in the movies. Yeah that story that wasn't told like Yeah I guess I can house to win bring and so I guess I'm bringing up now so it's like it's interesting like I feel like all the characters were they trumpeted as many characters as they can I'm just I'm trying to think because all these big man fans are generally. I was happy with the amount of screen time. Everyone go but why if always say a huge command fan would be really disappointed. In what do I feel cheated? Because the using him as the personally example he is killed and he's even comeback as one of the sidewalk things yet. He had pretty much all item that revolved around him. Oh I totally agree Penta commands. Obviously he's a very heavy hitter as well as pay office like. Yeah exactly yeah he. In in in a flashback scene of of the war when they lose he gets blasted in half by the by the Omega Beams. What does mirror comeback not him but confused me right Well I do feel that. Maybe you know MIRA's powers that miers powers are probably more useful. Just being like the aqua kinetic that she is whereas You know yeah. He's he's strong and he's a heavy hitter But the ability to control St Life. He doesn't have excuse me. He doesn't have the quicken eases powers things like his is being prison in the movies. And you even. If it's like non speaking he just shares up still being it just it out. Acronym specifically felt all that he just killed him. A flashback and we never saw him again right. It was interesting that MIRA showed up again. kind of the more interesting fact during the whole thing was everybody who was captured and like used. They were on apocalypse at the time. It may do have star fire. Who was killed on? Earth at the Titans Tower and she was literally ripped in half. Same thing yes aquaman but in granted her powers she's more powerful than uncle man. You know so dark side would have a use for her. I guess yeah but my point was more like just if I would feel cheated if only visits on these characters. I mean stuff like team. Tallinn's Kinda makes sense. I guess because have a representative from team really Constantio Justice League dog. Craven's your totten's and Damian later on and then there's Superman for justice league out March baby but like I we'll just say like the vault south was generally fond but like a couple of points off owed it was excessive like he was just indulging in itself. If that makes sense like Bradley took me out of the movie with how extreme it was because it just felt like they put it in there just to be gory as possible And the something the Staf violon on where spawning got to hang up his like like offensive or anything he got already punishing Maxa days but just felt a bit out of place in our right to It's like Egos just it didn't feel like it served the story Beat are it just sort on like. Oh that's show valley for shock value. Say Mania I think it was in there for for shock value you now I mean we had plenty of by that point like right. I mean that was part of like or was that. Damian flashback. Damian's flash. Yeah it was pretty pretty wild. There is definitely stuff in there for shock value sake I mean I commend getting blown apart. I mean you saw his guts flying mira like they were like slowly ripping her face. Apar- Krahn whatever. She's Zan banshee arm. Doff yeah I mean so like wonder woman getting. It's like a felts in turn to me are being young. He'll like much like it was in a battle and stuff like that and it was. It just didn't feel gratuitous. I felt like Oh crap. This is a bad defeat you know. She's got her armored. These Gaza strong whereas stop by one written half is a bit different Her intestine ring. Yeah and I was like all right well at plus Stafa as well. You don't want to like an innocent but she is very talk it constantly with his guts ripped out. I you are I it. It's the invasion of the invasion of earth when they're the first line of defense when The Justice Yeah when Justice League fell and dark side invaded earth and the Para Dunes were there so I mean they were just you know they're lambs the slaughter. I mean they've Yeah definitely. He's got these pera dooms you know Doomsday was a one like perfect creation but to be able to but to be able to make thousands of paradise. It's more than your normal pair of demon but it's still weakened because it's you know like mass produce kind of thing kind of like the idea was did you act. Did you kind of like idea of. When he sent the Doomsday's the Clone Doomsday's to Demonstra in dark in Superman Batman Apocalypse that Old Jeff Globe story back in Superman Batman they'll much waco. Yeah kind of a similar idea feel. Did you like the pair that little thing. About an upgrade on the payer demons is kind of an and where they come from by by giving them that name because they they give them the moniker like that dark side never calls them Peradeniya GMS so they they kind of just give them the that Monica because they are reminiscent of your Para Demons. But then they're also doomsday. I do think that you know. Probably giving them that. Upgrade Just Strengthens Doomsday's Army or Doomsday. Dark Sides Army. Yeah I think yeah. There were a silly name aside. I think I think they were a good foil for everyone because they it wasn't just a bunch of Doomsday. But it was a bunch of very much tougher. Things could conceivably do things like grip on half from stuff like that and the other thing is it also gave them awakeness. Not Richard Come in Handy for characters. Who AREN'T SUPERMAN? So that aren't just get. I was going to ask you. What are your thoughts on that about like the Doomsday? Like in this with the having a weakness to Kryptonite works so the plot but didn't particularly bug me really well. I don't think that you know. Kryptonite is like fully accessible to any anywhere. Besides earth. I mean there's probably Kryptonite scattered across the universe. But it's you know it's not they don't have to worry about. Cronin's all over the place. And but I think that you know hit. The Pera Demons needed an upgrade when it comes to fighting characters like Wonder woman and Superman and other members of the Justice League because they they destroyed an entire army of Para Demons in Justice League war so they definitely needed the upgrade. Which the CRIP Tony. Dna gave them but the weakness because we saw that there was paradigm. Instill they were. They were pair of humans on Earth which against humanity like humanity doesn't stand a chance that it's heroes against the paradigm yes so the the Para dooms kind of like your elite para demons to fight powered individuals. So yeah I mean the weakness just comes along with Tony Indiana so you just kinda gotta roll with that. I agree. I did like though when they do the two year jump. How EMESA they start to draw raven with her face like when we see her in the bar with a he's home self. Can't you know he's can't record footing thirty Superman you see. Her face is just it's start. Yeah St her cheekbones accentuated and stuff. They've got the the sunken cheeks and things. It's very gaunt. I Jen. I liked raven in the teen. Todd's movies and I also Lee likes her and miss and I thought she had a really great dynamic with Superman which is interesting because this really kind of illustrates how will actually guard together. intensive by team up. Because he's kind of the perfect counterbalance to literally haven't tried on Trenton. Sada head that's I really enjoyed a list saints ago. Yeah she has an arc throughout this throughout the show. You know The show the three movies that she's an will be virtually. I is fighting against try gone and then trapped him and then you know he just air in in Judas contract within her she can hear him but then when it comes to this like he's affecting her from within yeah she does have a character development arc of this is really helping him gain power over. She is like she is broken. I mean she's the first care to drop the F bomb in this movie and we get three of them. Yes yes and the first time I watched it. I didn't even notice it. I don't know if that's how bad and desensitized I hammer. Would they dropped their first f-bomb in in this I was like. Oh my kids guys already already. I already knew this from out James and I had this conversation already knew from just. The teaser sneak peek that they had back home. Red Sun was out though. I was like yeah. We're this one's not going to be. The kids are not watching this right. Yeah see I didn't look at any teases or I will watch one TRAE LOA and that was it in fact I only knew that this was a loss on just before I watched it. 'cause I was generally pretty excited because had And Superman and Raven is the main three and like you. Listen to Ella's Kate nozzle like my sort of more Unorthodox Superman team up. I really love the very red team ops. He's had with John. Concentrate on really love his swamp thing team ups and like his Phantom Stranger. Team up sir. That's always close pretty. Yeah and like I refer others team up to the usual wants that in Greenland Sniff on being completely honest. I think I think it's cool. Just because it puts him in the magic world which is him walking into a round where he is more vulnerable in week. Yeah while it also just it changes it up because Put in any situation because he's sort of an every man Sorry you know you can throw them into these bizarre situations like in that Phantom Stranger team where he spotting like John Tornado of the souls of convicts for something or when he gets transported back in time by trigon to fought Morgan. La- fe It's really cool to see him just in different scenarios and his chemistry with all these characters and now I guess you can add to the list as as being really great I know if you guys mentioned this is just kind of I felt. I felt Tony. Todd's voice work for dark side was weak in this. I mean just just because Geneva was like man dark sides voice does not sound good. Now like it's it's Tony Todd. She's like who remind me and is like telling her I said he did the voice of zoom on the flash season two. And she's wow like. That voice was so much more menacing than the way. They're doing dark side. Would and even Steve Blom. The Voice of a noted voice actor who did dark sides voice in more in his was then then in in that one it was so heavily. Modulated like yeah. There was no telling who the person was behind it. I mean it could have been anybody. I just a little bit more of scarier. Dark side voice. Yeah livered with Tony Todd. In this film which is saying something because I mean that dude candyman. He's gotTA terrifying voice. I mean every bag in his age a little bit but yeah and that's why I'm just like you know you. Could they modulate his voice a little bit when he was in flash but they could have done something a little bit more to give him like turn the base up in the? You know what I'm saying to just give it some thump. Ray was anyone. We're seeing this one Dark side really gets his hands. Dirty in the flashback and in the movie as it goes like when he goes A. And stuff like that like he is. He is a devastating conqueror in this so even even with his voice like there were times when I was like. Oh yeah like like that. Sounds more like old. Tony Todd you know that sounds more scary and then it comes to a different time like his voice was fluctuating. A little bit at different times during recording. That sounds more menacing. You know that sounds more like the old Tony Todd and this sounds like like new light like like what his voice sounds like today. So the what the character did I was like man like nobody stands a chance right. I mean he was. He was powerful. He was menacing. Was I mean he was fearful everything he did of the way he operated? And it's just I just want somewhere in the voice but I was a little sad in this. I don't know if you guys said anything but there was no granny that's one thing else. Get a mention. I'm actually just just fold. Our voice was the same voices right in the Superman. I thought it was wake answer like it. I didn't notice a hours. Just every other voice is probably just that A. N. are also say dachshund was look `Lajja in Justice League war for some reason he swore in. This shrunken back down. I think it's a massive. He was poor but they still big in this but they brought him down in size. Doesn't he have more doesn't he have like doesn't dark side have an ability to kind of control his size manipulation he can he can be thous- but again it's like stuff in this movie universe. I haven't even hinted up right. So it's like you know if they hinted at a it would be far but and like it didn't bother me that much honestly it took someone else appointed at where I'm like. Oh Yeah Hey he's he's way. Bigger and Justice League warnings more intimidating. I think I mean he's badding Amiss. But just in terms of his appearance and voice he's more intimidating in Justice League war but I still walked him in this granny. Goodness comment like there's a complete lack of fourth world characters besides dockside. There's no granny. Goodness as an artist decide calabash. There's an R. E. Says Orion decidal decide is in justly war? Is He yeah I remember? He's the one who's WHO's trying to change superman to a pair of demon armament. There's nothing about really the new guys or the four th world other like you just said like. That's why I was like wait a minute. 'cause granny is always a character that keeps me out. Well they also when they're discussing in. This CYBORG is the source wall. Cyborg becomes the source wall as integrated into the planet. He's integrated into the palace and apocalypse is the source wall. So they don't they don't go any farther into the fourth world or any jet Kirby source wall new gods. Nothing like that right because you don't in you. Don't throw that around that when you're like an certain words in DC like when you're talking DC and your and there's certain things you don't just flippantly around and one being source wall rebirth. Just that term in general and crisis like those are not cross regular words like you know that when they're used their weight behind them but I wasn't across to drop a f-bomb was non crosses has white anymore. There's too many now. There's been too many but it's just when you say that means there's something behind it. Yeah I I mean I think. Final crisis kind of gives it its final. Its final stamp right and they started doing without the word crisis. All right. They've they've they've kind of. They kind of used hints at Final Crisis In this. Just a just like one or two. They used hints of Dark Side War from the new fifty two justice league this year. Yes see I read this. As he is not easy to rate through recently are hey dockside war thought it was like to that but I thought it was like easily one of the worst event solid right. It was painful yet through and then they but they took inspiration from that to do this and are actually like Batman in the merb`ys chair and this I'm like Oh cool that makes sense but in dockside were author was really dumb so actually this is kind of an impertinent on that whole event finally enough. I haven't read so worse than so first published and I remember taking out a dark side. War was being excited to hints of one. The yet to be paid off tees of the three jokers which got pushed pushback August And then the rebirth in the comment about the kind of allusion to Dr Manhattan So yeah but yeah yeah they did. They did end for strong. As Justice League was throughout the entire new fifty two kind of and week. I'm with dark side. War some things they did cut. That did come out of dark side. War Three jokers. Hopefully once we finally get that It'll be worth it. The whole a Braille storyline and the death and rebirth of dark side which had had stuff in wonder woman. Rebirth as well as into the new Justice League Odyssey which I've enjoyed mostly justice league got us. It was a little different than what they had anticipate. Or what they described when they gave birth to three new Justice League titles the Justice League Justice League dark and just League Odyssey. They were like yeah. Dark side is going to be a part of the Justice League. I was like oh well. That's like I don't know what to expect from that and thankfully it wasn't what thankfully it's not that like dark. Side is not a part of the Justice League the next time. I thought this our role I did this at dockside in. Doc's house all the next time they got to bring an aura and yeah you feel like he's too important dockside new genesis verse apocalypse type. Let's bring in that. I mean I'll be happy if they just did a fourth world type movie like do that'd be how dark side came to be dark side. I mean one thing that I did like that. They did in the new fifty. Two's when they did the villains month and all the villains KINDA got one shot most kind of origin stories but there were all these one shots and I really enjoyed the post tied one is really good and I think they can change. Stocks saw though in that which threw me a bit his origin. I mean he's in very different to what it was before so one thing that they don't talk about in this film with dark side and they don't they don't get the fourth worth is. That dark side exists outside. The multi-diverse yes. Well that's that's the weird thing that I feel like lot of people riding saw dart quite like an injustice like dockside war. I feel like didn't really make sense with the fought across the stuff that they set up. Dachshund was if you remember dark side was going Earth Earth Killing Superman. I don't remember what book is. But there's a book of dark sides town the bodies of a bunch of Superman and then when he got to the Earth a new fifty two when he went to kill. Superman is win. The Justice League was formed stopped him because the whole Earth to book it starts right after or like the first couple of issues of earth two was Batman. Superman wonder woman being killed. I mean that was fast issue. Yeah by dark in that campaign. And that's what threw me. When I went back later and read the Batman Superman team up title was that was all earth to before dark side. Came or something like that. I'm trying to remember. It's been all of them but yeah I was that it was that trickster God from from apocalypse that dark side us to go to these different universes these different Parallel earths and kill the superman. There I'm trying to remember if it was it was his defeat on like Earth. Prime Earth One That spurned him and want and made him go to these other earth and kill Superman or or what. Yeah earned that Fatman Scoop Managua's better than to this budget. This movie like you know we said. How'd how evil in managing dark side is? I mean like when it comes down to a in like the big battle. Superman is laying into him but he just keeps coming like he's not superman not stopping him. You know it's not like Justice League animated series where Superman just unloads on him and he's starting to have this mass starting to have this effect. He really doesn't in in that made. I think supermen tricked him into him shooting himself with his magazines. Which is Harry one in? Burn comic which I think Marais. Yeah in Superman. The animated series like he puts his hands over his eyes and his Omega Beams. Blow up in his face and then injustice league. They have a big fight and he's destroyed with like the brain the brainiacs ship and then he comes back for the final episode where Superman unloading on them but then in that I mean even superman them and it's really awesome but then he turns around and he starts using that that Torture that psychic torture device that he has so even then it's like dark side is still more immensely powerful than we had seen because like in Justice League versus teens. We try gone and Superman Wonder Woman. Flash HAVE NO EFFECT ON TRY on and then we try gone versus is dark side in this. What did you think about that I made I thought hilarious? How John Qahtani as his plan and everything and he's like hey look possess me and like grab the Creek Carney in next year and like a superpower I thought it was just the fact that like the super track was cool looking and there was a heavy metal man. I'm like the metal coming out. Sampit lamey framing ass on his chest and a flaming Cape and stuff. Yay or something. I thought it was it was. It was heartbreaking enough that lowest died. Tell saying you're by the Superman and finally love shoe. Because she kept telling him I know yes and then superman loses forces try gone out but I love. I love the fact that when he by forcing trigger not get Burns Kryptonite out of him. The KRYPTONITE tattoos burned out of him out of his system. Regains hours I went with the fact that his suit just reemerged and he had no beard. I of love. Did I shave at the exact? I don't have a beard. And incinerate revered along with the Kryptonite. But think of it but you could have kept him with the beard and hair and it would have been far and yes the work to the site still. It didn't bother me at off funny but yeah anyway. Going doesn't seem like it was like I love that moment. You know he's got the suit back on like okay. I'm a role within like that. I thought about wait a minute. He just burned off his beard and hair. It was funny but I love that he got his second chance than he starts wailing and he's punching him and like holding nothing back just and like it wasn't it's nice. Try gone all of a sudden Hataf Kapoor Form. After that. Like he didn't he wasn't just the spirit. Try on anymore. I think. That'd be doing a mega beans like that. They're white beyond science right. Pretty you pretty much. Whatever he wants feeling they can teleport. They can transmute matter like yeah so I feel like he could a spirit. Which is what I've assumed. Truck on smart bomb which then meet since to me him being tracked but just like all of a sudden trey gone when he emerges has a body. Oh I see oh you mean like he. He has his form like salsa. Okay I mean whatever sure I didn't I didn't even darts pointed out. Sure I mean was the did did Raven. Constantine don't let him maybe they did. Maybe they you know head Kennon. They did now if we start using Ed cat into either justified but I got what I didn't notice that's a good catch spurs. I watched it twice just because I watched the initial time and I was like Dang and that I watched it again like two days later with Genia. She fell asleep the first time because we watched it late. And I you know I was watching and taking notes just like you know those like I liked it but I would not be revisiting this one. That often like it's it's too depressing like it book into the story and it gives it an end to this journey but like all this cares. Our growth in everything is just over that. That's like it was. Yeah sorry no. You're just curious we've come to love and know are done these versions are done and it's one of a book but in the film yet they live differently but go ahead on that the stories don and stuff. What I do mind is that they go to race. That's what really bugs me in our. I'm just like you couldn't think of any ending right. So so getting to the flashpoint thing just guard gnome Linnea 'cause they keeping an eye out. Because I watched again is often. They're also keeping an eye out for. Okay do they set this up? It'll and they reference it. At the start Barry says he did the flashpoint Alia and then again when they rescue the flash it's referenced again in consign the grades that if he goes back into the docks ought to be good bob they started to it but they do it at the end. Sudan's just given a speech which I love by the way. He's lost everything but he's still fighting. Yeah that's that's the Superman I love Eddie right. So it gives that speech and then all of a sudden barriers does flashpoint. And it's just like could've writ so obviously. The implication was that they'll lose half the population of the holy book. Charter say that. But it's like maybe could have written at so they save the Earth and they finish about away and stuff and you just sort of say goodbye to the universe with an ending. You don't have to erase it in our. It's like not only. What was the point of past ninety minutes? What was the point of the past twelve plus whatever even yeah? I know I've I've gone back and forth on it because it does kind of like well crap now. It's all raced and stuff but The way that they the way that they end it and the in the reason that he's forced to do it the reason he's forced to to change time is you know the the planet is irrevocably damaged. They took the thirty one percent of the molten core. Which will affect the planet's rotation so parts of the planet will freeze and other parts of the planet will burn the population on the planet. Will I mean the planet has become pretty much Unin is going to become uninhabitable? It's like dark side one still Knin the ads and the only way to but even then way to save people is to change it on back and forth and spread out even past earth. Because you know we. We touched on this. But like the Green Lantern Corps is pretty much wiped out and the power battery so I thought about this like what if he had went back to back at the beginning they were giving a speech about attacking dark side and done something that way. I think if they had done that that would be too much because then that's a whole nother like movie like they need to be done. could have just not written themselves into the point where that was the solution and I and I kind of feel like once they take it to that type of level once we got to like they brought back flash pointing and everyone was basically being killed because like our friend. Brian made a joke because he was about to watch. Because like Pootie. Die In this and I said everybody and he's like what he's watching you. Okay you're right. You know once they take it to that level the only thing left to do to have to end on some sort of uplifting beat so that we're not left in this dark place. Fans is the idea that flash back and changed it in a worse place because all the struggles say everything we've seen doesn't matter leader like it's just polarized and it's just it's just it doesn't feel like good rotting to me at all in in the comex eventually. Got Away with it because everything congress splits off in different multi this even if there isn't a racing event the other continuity is usually still at somewhere even pre-crisis but like this is ghetto is different and also if they get to do this the flash probably have been in it more as well. I think that's why they kind of kept him out. And then we get a kind of we thought he was dead but we but he was being used power. Dark side proceeding view Ex. Like we're kind of that more in a second but we're either of you surprised luther was a mole like he turned on dark side of the he made a deal of now. I found it know. Some people said they thought it was Batman. Superman lex kind of made a little bit more sense to me. I mean I thought it was going to be either Batman. You know he's in the moebius chair so subconsciously almost he's he's sneaking information off or it was luther. That would've been if it was Batman. It would it mean dumb because Batman had been completely pretty much completely Brian. Moore's and was like you know head apocalypse tech in his being in south sorta May West Sense. Yeah the each one of the trainees like suffered and that was the thing you know. Superman be in deep Howard given those Kryptonite tattoos and basically left to live with his guilt and shame that man is now dark sides upon his mind. So He's been synchronous teaching mind attached to the MOEBIUS chair being tortured that way and then wonder when is now the leader of the fury's part cybernetic row by some each one of them is living in their own. Hell which I think. There's punishments are really fitting Rod because Sigmund Symbol for justice and heart but he's condemned to walk the Being a symbol of failure right in all about being a warrior and heroin and stuff and she's now a slave same with Batman like you know he's he's also a slave to dockside. I thought like a slight as his essentially Intel person. Exactly I thought the punishment was very fitting. Each character. Didn't let the the mole. I mean not that I from a story point of view Tim suffering too and it also sets up the Great Batman versus gene. Yeah we're he says. Last time they fought he was holding back and this time. I'm going to kill you and he doesn't your mother drug me. I never wanted you crist upon me and I love the line. That deeming gives where he says earlier when they go to knit apar- bat and they find out that demons basically he's Roz Google now and he says it's my responsibility to save my father or my responsibility to kill my father. That's me paraphrasing. I can't remember the exact quote. Yeah just the way. The he's carrying being the only like he I love the he tried to save. Dick they even went to the last resort of the Lazarus pit knowing what happened to his mother when she was in the pit and had discussed during our during our rewatch. Our in our other episodes talking about how I tell you had lost herself more she got more maniacal coming back from the Lazarus pit going into bad blood. If you watch her son of Batman and then how she is towards Batmans Damian and then you watch how. She's in bad blood. There's definitely a change in the best explanation that we've had watching all these was what happened. The Lazarus pit and this is kind of backtracking we saw lady Sheva in Hush We saw Damian grownup more now I love the. He says a lot about night wing being his brother. And and then I like the fact that Harley Quinn is now the leader of the suicide squad boxing Lois Lane. See I'm I'm not a highly person. I get the appeal and stuff. It's not like it's not like injustice where my head start spinning but like with holly quit is just. It's not really my thing. I don't really like Hema. I found that kind of Abrasive. And Annoying Sir. Her parts in this with pretty weak for me especially that she was leading the suicide squad and she lost longer than characters like Bain stuff near it was crazy it was in there but had no speaking part had made the Bart and I mean granted. He went down by getting torn apart by para dooms. But of course I'm a fan so it upset me that yeah. He did go down and he went down fairly quickly. When as soon as the payer doom showed up I feel like he gets. He gets the short end of the stick too often a love odds because he ever gets. He's like a brilliant tactician. Yeah he's like Super Smart just and Robin Thug. He gets right down unless he's in. He's he's never been properly portrayed. I think do a decent job and a justice. Young Justice did a good job but they haven't really him a story line. I made it a good nightfall animated film that something I would have liked. Maybe before hush right right well I think they could have done a lot more before ending the universe but Yeah Baynes Baynes been portrayed too often as a thug. He's he's on comparison to Batman when it comes to a strategic mind and physical body his weakness being his addiction. But you know so many so often in stories and stuff I mean since nightfall I mean. There's only been a couple of stories where he's been portrayed. I mean he had his own book which I have Bain conquests and then I think when he He he's a physical person and then he also has a strategic mind and is revealed. You know he's steps ahead of other people and then I think in forever evil. He uses his his body and mind. Kind of control over Gotham. At that time you know kind of become the person in control of Gotham and not let it just not let it flounder in during during forever Evil Yeah Tummy like this is related to a point bet at bay so this movie. I thought was very good for you. Know You have representative some Justice League Justice League dock and tetons nature's character that made the marquess know if it was offensive. Fancy it would have been Batman Up Front. Senna brive but it wasn't for once which I really liked Batmans WRONG. The story was appropriate and not forced. Fdr Constantine suit Raven is like an unlikely team up but there will the ones that make sense the Mars from teams to be in the front and center of this final shirt out but like there is no way that Holly Quin would leave the suicide squad. When Baines may not feel like they will take charge he would be a key figure in the resistance on earth. You know And that that felt like the early pod that was fan so EZE to me was putting Holly Quin front and center on Bain. The strategic mastermind is just less than king shock. Alright find a dialogue. He got one line. It's been an honor fighting next to you being. Yeah Yeah but You know that's it's it wasn't a serious problem I have with them. It's just something I noticed like. It didn't bug me as much as Batmans Justice League. Doc Instance without felt very forced. Yeah I did like the callback to Amanda Waller Dying of cancer because that happened in that was part of the score. That was part of the thread in suicide squad and then Harley in this it looks like a mixture of how they put her in the suicide squad movie with Jean Shorts but then they gave her the gesture like she had in hush so they blended like the two versions of Harley. They've had in film together. My Line is I like when they show up and we have John Yell. Go Clark's wife. He he doesn't know her. Name's Clark's wife. The funny part I got. That was the go. Clark's wife but then also like how stupid and he's like Aussie Niaz Abe Button Heads Together. Despite the the battles the accent that did some relationship pretty well. I've heard I've heard that and not and not before and not. Just be of this. I heard that before. Like it's it's like a contentious thing. Yeah Yeah it's it's an contentious thing there. Sorry you know. You're you're the default expert on that funny birth early repeat the word or they Berkeley because all the different but an insult. Birth love is like you know the W. I n. k. Sir Each about that said it does suck that like right. I th I think the actual meaning behind it. You know like when if we were to say wanker. The same seem. I don't think it's quite as it is over over there for us is. Oh It's word for us. It's a word that you know you guys saw. Johnson Brits use. Yeah like it's not. It's not quite the insult or like I means exactly what it means over there. So Yeah Yeah I've I've gotten in trouble for a couple of international the Darla which I apologize for his hair why spurts than that. It means something different and Erica because I know what did you think about late in? That scene brokerages panel show on the other villains that we've seen in other movie. That was nice all right. Good those neat yeah. I'm glad they did it. They did it with the heroes early on and then they may do it with the villains. There there's still a lot of they're still a lot of people alive on Earth here is in villains alike. Less heroes probably. Yeah Yeah I really liked extra gin in the CODA trigon stuff. Oh I love. I love always like he hasn't even Brian Anymore. What's just depressed I love? He's a character that if they don't bring him into the Justice League dark show. I'll be very upset at chickens. Like he's got A. He's got like a niche following. For reason like he's he's a very good character is a foreign character and he should totally be asleep. Doctor Right I liked injustice. Like 'cause like injustice dark when he was there he was against beings of magic who had powers on a level compared to his and and who could physically and magically fight him and then in this like until he gets to clips like nobody stands a chance You know the the Pera Demons. He just blows away with a wisp afire and when they go to depart. Bot they he he's just waving his hands around and knocking away. The Ninjas like which was interesting you know I mean you can honestly say that lady chocolate Cata. He's like John and she's kicking him in the face. And that's what you kind of. That's what you should expect. You Know Lady Shiva. Is You know she's incredible? Hand to hand fighter one of the best on the planet but when she goes up against a super powerful demon physically attacks Superman. You Know He. He picks her up by her hands. She can't do anything she's kicking him in the face. She's not giving up but there's nothing she can do. Yeah yeah a just break Tangent Lady. Sheva so she gets stronger ahead but they eglise acknowledged but remember and cheating shot and like no one reacted we eddie right. Yeah she did. She got riddled with bullets and just kept going all reaction shots thirty at that time like you just have to. Yeah Yeah also. Today they apply. Damian killed the jerk because I think that's great. We'll Harley says the new Batman and it made me wonder was it I was Damian. Right like was the Damian. Try Being Batman for a while or was it because of new as what Bruce had become Indiana invaded. I of would've liked to have more on the on that that little line. Yeah yeah actually. I said you bet yet could very well be dockside. Batman just killing me jargon because obviously he doesn't care and at that point the joker with much Batman content as we've gotten in this continuity. It was sad that we never got joker like we got him in hush for like what maybe like two scenes but we never really got Batman and the joker against each other. I'm not sad. Obviously I think I think the jerkers be quite expires. The Pasta okay with you but it's one of those like it's that feeling of where you just want that one story that we've had so much like the joker or Batman but we've not had done really well we go killing jarque which sucked marken like the movie. I mean not the book race. A whole no discussion for another day. But Yeah I mean that's why I say look we've long. We want to see the Batman. The joker longing for a good telling of the stories. We've yet to have that we have. Yeah so versions like you know. We got they tried to do a Batman. Shocker on films that never paired with each other. We never saw them. Fight Joker movie with the head no Batman in it. And that's that's another discussion about that movie. We teased a pseudo joker on Gotham a pre pre Batman Batman on Gotham. You know what I'm saying. So it's like we keep teasing out things but we've yet to actually deliver what we actually want to see. We got was the dark. Yeah Yeah no. I understand what you mean. I mean. It's kind of like that with a lot of things I mean. We haven't gotten superman and BRAINIAC ever in while action we haven't gotten a good legs Actual actually guys like awesome. Beg Be on him but it's around. I mean he he worked. I'm really liking lex on supergirl but we haven't. We're not getting to see him. Really co- against Superman Superman Yeah. He's Guardian Superego then. My Gene Hackman likes slowly. The Garbage Thought Kevin Spacey was worth. It would have been good if they let him do his own thing and not trying to make gene. Hackman Kaz space. He's like wars perfect but anyway but a little bit more advanced Hackman So yeah but but back to where we were. Sorry no we go on tangents. That's how that's the nature of these discussions. I did like when Damian offers a take raven similar to lie down there like Oh. Is that what the kids are calling it nowadays and didn't that'd be kind of? I thought it was funny. I liked the relationship between Damian and Raven I would maybe like I would have really liked one more teen titans film like in that movie like before this where we could have introduced Super Donna. Troy got something. Do we got super bowl part of the team and then the new wally west before this movie being their seeds Damien and raven relationship in on versus Teen Titans. But it's really not there in Judas contract because I like that okay you know. One of the first things Raven does for Damian as he gets his face burned off by high may and do even see high may in this movie. Yeah I think we did in the panels in the Pan Scene. But she heals him you know and then in this movie. She heals him because he's able to use her powers that's when try gone. The Crystal from try gone they remove it and basically we see right. Lifted of her burden of her father which is just reading. I said I okay. I'm not that tired marketing. Okay come on James but you know what I'm saying. That's what I heard like. I was not opposed to their their relationship. And I like that. You Know Trisha was threatened to kill him and that put emotional stress on Raven and then she I think right. I think that's where it began. You know is Justice League versus teens where she healed him and and their minds could touched their minds connected exactly. She understood him like nobody else ever had so I like. It didn't jarred me. You know what I'm saying. I've heard some people say like it was like Whoa. What's this. It felt organic to me. I mean I think I've I've seen a lot of light can play. I think it's just sort of like caught. A shipping was going on with different robbins. Different Ravens Familiar Rena comments. That's what I've seen. It didn't bug me at all. I was like You know it wasn't like a super invested in it but I it didn't bother me or anything like to me. It made sense. It'd be a wall inside. Solitaire tartans movies but did remember I think they had some stuff going on back then and it sounds like they did promote you mentioned in the Justice League once yeah. I thought that was fine and entertaining. I think especially since was the one who was initially attracted to. I think that makes more sense as well. Like adds more character Damian to which I liked and then to get the breakdown of what their plan is lois describing the three teams that are going to attack the three towers. But there's not a team for third and I think it's pretty crazy like all. We should attack the third and you know they say that we don't have enough people to attack their towers and can I just say we're sorry we've just go past my favorite scene in the movie who my Bab- The dirt out Soga. I was just looking nurse of I think when when Dame's arriving have the flashback. Wetsuit men funds Raven. Oh yes and that was like spot. The awesome of men already gashing dog salt. I think that was my favorite scene in the movie In our because it was kind of unexpected Again it was like Super Sadaqa that all the time when she was about to What killer tell I mean? I didn't know if I could stay search yet of this. I mean this content of this film is dark so the conversation. Lean towards the darker yes. She's about ready to commit suicide. And that's why one of my favorite memes like I posted if you saw hope arrives at the darkest moments or at your least right. Yeah moment we need help the most and like so. It wasn't just normal Sigmund as a sick men that being also very damaged as well and he was earning too and it was like it was just. It was a powerful moment watching this and that really stood out and obviously I was emotionally invested in. Barth of these characters as well Sir I thought is very naruse Marmon. Yeah No. It's great because hit. This is him returning to Earth. Yes he got. The suit is torn but he's got Kryptonite Tattoo so you see the glowing green on him. He's falling down beat up in they. Just they're both broken and it was a great scene of Carmen gently Salzer from doing it again. It's holding. He's hugging you like he's kidding much. Well really they both lost so much and that's because he's so why are you with kint explaining and he was there paired up yeah? I really like the marries kind of looking after. And obviously she'd be looking out for him intensity physical department because he can't really do much Sir yes some sort of strength or something left just because the scene where Constantine punched him in the bar like constantly so I don't think he's d powered but he's not heat vision flying superman he. I don't think he has his powers and his invulnerability is certainly probably a lot less. But you know he is still superman. He's he's an alien physically. His his body structure is still a lot more dense. I see that makes sense. Actually considering some of the stuff he did as well the one thing the one story in these movies like. I would personally preferred before this film and then knowing that some stuff got scrapped. I would have liked this onto discipline called like Justice League apocalypse war as the culmination and we would have had a proper justice league. Dark sequel. You know and just been like this. This film was just caught a pacalypse. Or you know what I'm saying like because I to know why swamping hates John. Constantine yes the thing with swamping is like Because I've read the first whole run something the whole volume read bits and pieces and I read a lot of his instructions. Certain man and he's always very friendly with soup men And then in this like you just kind of like man screw humanity and I get I get the scream at anything else in the context. I was like Whoa. What did they do to like? Get Him really angry. And Yeah I don't remember him. Hating concentrate on justice league dark but I really don't want he didn't live now. He really didn't like him that much and he was kind of like a blocks right. Yeah except it's not a so. I want to know more of that whole like because I told James is like we did our we watch. We WATCH JUSTICE LEAGUE DARK. The way they leave swamping was kind of very like is he alive or night. It's very vague. Which again in this movie I think is extremely difficult to kill so and like we saw something briefly but I did like him just taking down the TAB himself auto. That was awesome. Yes you know massively powerful he is because they have all these teams that these other towers and they just launched swamp thing you know. Constantine get swamp thing to attack a third tower by himself and yeah it was awesome and I'm glad he was in it because swamp thing he really is that it's funny because I feel like I talked about this one avow swamp of L. S. K. Swamping in superman episodes and I feel like you enter the two champions of a superman swamp thing on even human and always wipe that and swamping is the champion of. He represents like he's Mother Nature and it's good that he's inness what he's a character. I think that should not be neglected. In any sort of apocalyptic DC snarl. Because he's too important so you only had a bit part in this but at least it was a major soon as they did. Yeah him taking down one of those reapers alone. Yeah I'm lead. They showed him he. Is that immensely powerful? Glad he was there. The lady said we were kind of left like so like I know that swamp thing I know that swamp thing is like you said Dettori ously difficult to kill like you. Can't he regenerates. He's he is more of a spiritual being elemental. Yeah Yeah elementaries. It's the spirit inside the element. I think more the idea is like is this Allah Collins swamp thing or what? Because that's where we came out. Oh No that's where we left off in Justice League dark where it seemed like destiny ripped Allah Colin from the Green Wrong. And that's kind of where the confusion lies. But other than that I mean the elemental. Protector is still there. That's why I was not sure if he lived or died because they rip Alec and out of Him and Kinda. Just drop a drop it. Would it be nauseous? Some of that stuff was addressed the yet. This movie really is just like. It's an amalgamation of everything but it's still cold justice league dark yes can are and it does start and end with concentrate on. Yeah Yeah it's I like how he's I like how. He's really mad at Batman for egging him. That contingency plan if things went. If things went south it was a Tanna compels him to run away to fight another day. So I mean it was was gonNA. They were going to die if she was going to die. That Constantine was gonNA live. But he's he's forced to live with the guilt of feeling like a coward Because he does nothing until clock in writing show up two years. Yeah which I think is that. Why is because he feels like he feels guilty because he was compelled to run away to feel to be made to feel like a coward in that scenario and he feels guilty 'cause the Tan and everybody else died and he ran away done anything because of that that scene where he runs away? Did you guys think the statement that was actually how it happened? I thought something had to have like how it happened but I was like man that feel so out of character like I know that he's like a d bag who will save his skin but usually ends up in fights and especially like for a Tanna. Yeah that was we just had the scene of like him as a Tanna talking and everything and you know when you when you go back and you watch it like watching it for a second time you talking a Tanna. You can see that. It's weighing heavy on her. You know she's not just she's not just worried about what's to come like in c extra weight on her because she's like if this you can you can see like she's thinking like if I have to do this like like we're all GonNa die and like John is not going to be forgiving happens. You know what I mean. She definitely looks like more of a weight on her shoulders. And I think that's because she knows what she has to do if this if that happens. It's they could've like I was reminded. Jusuf John Constan Teen Time heavy-water pronounce it. I got a lot of guys. Read Twas Beers. Yep Sorry Vodka Todd of the sippy. Here's have similar thing where John. Constantine changes the past to say the future and he did the same thing here but Here's he he knows the way to change. The pause is to make so he'd never make meets love his life at his. Never happy and economists that second faucets like even though we never go see the story. It's actually pretty movie when you read it because I it's a jerk but he nour's you know that's how you sort of have to fix. Everything is just him still being miserable and a of that far from the ending except those of sacrifice their emotional sacrifice like that wasn't thought of the superheroes. Isa's like yet do it and I feel like I don't know maybe they could have done something with Sutan or shirt gain. Well maybe she came back and I do because he has a whole speech. Like yeah you need to do this to the flash like it's going to be shipped might not be perfect but it'll be better than this. You know I agree with you. 'cause if felt so because even with him very Very shocking to who likes Constantine when and came wait what and it was like something sealed off about eighty I mean felt in characters but constant on but they could have just instead of trying to offer connor twist ending. They could've put more weight behind at least to make it. Because as it was appeals on satisfying as you talking about the speech she gives at the end to flash the that and the ending and with connor comparing that to the two out of the Sippy hearers ending ray constants on changes the past kind of similar right. Yeah I mean James. No I haven't read that okay. I granted you know the way the movie ends with Them hitting the reset button. Which you know I mean the way it goes out. Everybody like being together with who they want. You know with who they are being together with who they're with and then just the wave of light shining over them and Constantine speech You Know I. It's saying it's it's gotta be better than this. Maybe we'll make the same mistakes Maybe some will make the same stakes. Maybe things will be better but I liked. I liked his speech the way he gives it to. Flash you know he hits the tells them to hit the reset button and that's it you know we don't get anything talking about what's to calmer nothing either. It was like that it was Kinda Fun but they could say they could have done it like out of there. Put more put more of a sacrifice element in FA- John like they did with todd. Cigarettes way he narves finish sacrificing something and it just gives it more emotional impact than I would have felt better about the ending. Zaug like I feel like so. We have three main stars in this movie that I feel like constant on is like. He's the central character in. This movie is the catalyst. He's the one that changes things and I just felt unsatisfied. And I felt like if maybe maybe just had too much to put in. Nour's sorry that's how I played split it between two movies. Not sure where how you'd structure it without really thinking about it but just the idea of getting that emotional weight. 'cause yeah that would be something for that character just the fact like you just said like. Tinos. He's GonNa lose something like if they do this. You'll never meet or something. Yes something like that and they did you guys watch city demons. Yes yeah on. Oh it's not nope. That's been a huge debate that we've had but if you look at it's a different have like it falls more in line with the CW production the people behind everything. Even though it is still Matt Ryan and they've kind of developed in house animation style like 'cause the animation for that does look like the same at is and so does if you look at young justice season three is basically the same animation style so they have kind of an inhouse. But if you look at like just the production history and then if you look at the actual the way it was marketed put out. It's never tied into these films like it wasn't. I'm Kinda glad because that's been my favorite animated movie surfer and I want more cert. Yeah it's it it. It isn't and like so. I kind of wasn't richie in in city of demons. I haven't seen in a while. Okay I can't remember I haven't seen in a while but you say it was more like connected to the the show and like the Arrow verse. It's supposed does it. It doesn't lawn with concentrations shirt if that's what you mean. Yeah it's loose you what I'm saying. It's kind of like just weird. Because Richie from the show was in justice league dark like he was animated similar in the same guy voiced him so he was in that and then like the show then like the then city of demons. Seems like it was connected to Matt Ryan's character from so it's kind of like their branched off connected in different ways. It's not like totally linked one way or another it. Kinda evens lines up with the way they did vixen. And Ray the freedom fighter and I I've yet to watch the stroke thing they've done on the CW seed district animated show or movie. I've yet to watch like forty minutes. I haven't I haven't watched it. I watched like I was able to watch like fifteen minutes and I haven't been able to go back. Yeah I will say. Was it jolting to you guys to see Clark Alexa suit? I don't really I almost was almost was wondering wanted to see if they were GONNA do like the red and blue lexus suit. Just because lex. Luther was part of the Justice League almost. Yeah I was too after they kind of after death and rain where he came back with like Kizza Lex who was joining the Justice League. I was like maybe not put the s shield on it but just when we saw lex he had a blue and red suit and then in this kind of a lex tipping his hand to Superman Lorraine almost like a mutual respect for what they're about to do he comes out in that same armor but now it has the shield but they did do the a. You built it to kill my husband likes. Oh suit so yeah I mean I think that winery air KINDA GIVES. It gives it all you need. Why it's it's it's also inheritor of like Superman he's at his lowest point like he has no powers. He's he's poisoned. He's he's trying to be hopeful he's in a way is becoming hopeless with just how much amounting the he has to wear the weapon of his destruction Of course it has the KRYPTONITE weapons on it. We see the case. The kryptonite soared all the weapons. And then you know so they go to apocalypse and we see the suicide squad stays to protect the gay. We talked about you know. Yeah it gets attacked. It's GonNa blow up and that's when Lois gives her goodbye. Speech and banged ours dies Harley Dies Boomerang dies everyone dies. Basically all the teams get taken bat girl taken down. Yeah by Perr Gyms and then we haven't talked too much about this but we see dark side invade And kills kilowatt and right as John. Stewart is crawling saying the oath to the power better right before he finishes it sharks. I just dumps molten magma from earth onto the power battery and decimates Jon Stewart in all of Owa did like John Show its final conduct. Stand like he went out fighting really salting the earth which are well. This isn't my nonce. Actually I feel like the Greenland's put up a bit more of a fought now another screen Tom for but maybe just show us like a bunch of paradise corpses around because other agree Blanton Cedar. They're like the heavy his the should we didn't really seem anything. But for some lasers and get killed. It's like they would have been taken out. Sure but shirts them. In our are excite took out the coursing landed. He even started dockside. Like Wayne's it or something but we never got much lamented many beat we never got any real premium content these movies. We didn't biggest in my nose as one of the biggest downfalls is about this universe's we never really got flashed by himself. And we never got a green Lantern Solo outing in continuity. Yeah to really help. Because all of a sudden Jon Stewart shows up you know it would have been nice we. There's a lot of stuff like that. Masha man how to connoisseurs. Up Out of nowhere on Twain never leave talks just constantly has now yeah Walkman as well So what do you think about? The fury is now being repurpose. Mechanical Wonder Woman. Mira Marsha manhunter star. I mean I thought it was cool but there was a lack of Greenwich goodness as he said right if it had been granny goodness with them. Yeah they had mentioned the Fury East but they didn't show any fury's yes. It was right. Granted these these re purposed. Fury's you know they're probably they're more powerful they have other. They have other abilities Minnaso- even ones he just would have been part of that. Cool like fight. Had they killed the furious during the first invasion or killed granny during the initial invasion or something Do you like the wonderful members at chicken fight. Do hate this. Kills at again then? Right after she kills that you're GonNa Work Constantine's able to use the Lasso to free here of dark sides control when she goes head to head with the rest of the curious. I think. I'm glad that one's only gottfried control because he wasn't in this that much but like to get a significant role body ads like he'll save everyone in enable him to Gary into dockside. She doesn't either that she still. Iran's comforting clock in the law saying she is Sir she all the all the new fury survive. And that's part of like when you do that. Another really great pan shot of all them at Titans Tower on the beach and John goes to the flash and tells him when he has to do. Yeah when when? Constantine freed Cyborg of dark sides programming Relinquish control on everybody because I think combine they were about to take down wonder woman and then John Cyborg and then in turn released everybody else. So let's let's talk to another beat. The clock say they redid the the Martha scene in this film but better. That's semantics so we could argue about that. But I do like the scene of Batman. We talked a little bit about fighting Damian and as he goes to kill Damien. That's what breaks him. This is the second time in this continuity that we see Batman cry the first time being in the end of flashpoint when he reads the letter from his father. And then this time. Where he's about to murder Damian in be killer much like you know that killed his parents and I love that he. It breaks him enough dark sites control that it was Damian. That did it. Yeah I like how Damian could break the dachshunds control by Bruce in our him actually having a some and stuff I think is a good thought it was just done well and was Darci. Goes TO KILL. A love it. Because he throws the sword stained dark side in the eye it doesn't seem to faze docks that much march just like and then he shoots his beam to kill. Bam Damian jumps in yeah interesting. Damian manages to survive that at all but dinner. I'll give it a pass just enough. He survived just enough to say goodbye. So that can come and bringing back. Barnaby still wishes to hit back others would been funny. But that's just me. I mean it was called back to final crisis you know what I'm sayin but it shows Damian's love for his father and it does. It closes his really good arc. If you look at what Damon his father have been through the fact that Daimyo would've killed his father if he had to his father just basically saved his life and then they bring him back and it's like why do that if you make everything so hardly have to reset a yeah. I agree you know. And why have ending gave Raven Her story? Closer look gave him like they have a great ending. Their they're ending is gone. Wac- that's what kills me is every valley is just gone like all these stories like. I didn't want it to end that bad but like all the stories like you look at it like a close circle like the stories exists now just in this and these characters in this version. It's all undone make. Do they have to borrow that end with everything? Being Entente Wiesner caiphus university and was by. People aren't what if they why don't you just go all the way up there and have them settle on another planet or something you're men four hundred on this Because earning the universe you don't have to have a carnival queen ending wreck on everything you can just end. The university is is the universe and the multi-diverse. But that I'm just on the Damian thing I mean yeah bringing him back was Was a little like and it's going to be done and everything ended. It was like okay. Well then why do that but it did give? Raven her arc because Clark said that her healing powers don't work anymore so she got her healing powers back and she became white rate. Then and so you know and she was also area of the burden of her father. Yeah it was a payoff of a line that they had delivered early so I guess is they want to give us some sort of like characters moving forward before we get the punch of the reset and that's kind of a thing they just feels like. There's shot themselves in the foot. They made some strides of these characters and stuff and then doesn't matter anyway and it's just kind of like I get you wanted to write it. So was payoff and stuff of birth leader. Get to keep the payoff. Because you've done this then. Yeah IN OUR BLACK. So it's kind of current contradicts. What they're going four in the first place really so Because doing and ending like that every like if you go to go for an ending like that everything has to be reset. You should make everything like really bad. No one should come at happy. I mean kids got that last shot of like you know no. I mean no one really is happy and but I mean Superman. He's Lost Lois. He's back. Diff- restored Damian has meant still hasn't given up there these ready to keep trying to fix the earth and stuff and that's true to himself you know but remember Eddie Constantine's movie and he's the one who basically tells us in berries in a very torn beaten place after spending the past two years basically powering. Dark sides world destructing machines. That's right to forgive it. You're right it is sort of constantly. Dow's and it's a very concentrated thing to do the other start really seemed to Mondo. They seem to be cool with. They don't know what's going on. You know what I'm saying buried just takes off running. It's not like they know he's running back in time. I don't know that the because just by the context clues of talking about. I know you don't believe me about the flash point and they've never time travel like he's it's never come up before like it's actually. They've been affected or anything happened with flash doing anything so the fact that he's just running off day Quebec Berry doing. Where's he going? You know what I'm saying like I don't think they know that he's running into the speed force to do this. I see I don't know why but just from the. I got the impression that they did not but there is no evidence to back that up. It's it's one of those things. You can argue either way. There's no clear answer. I did like you know how even try on and Raven made peace with each other where he said that was good he will. He wants to conquer. He's a conqueror. He's treiguts guns kind of like the old Gods and dark sides. The new guiding. He's fighting him and he you know he tells Sabrina. Even fight me for the honor of fighting dark side. Yeah and he says thank you daughter for this and so on some to go off. And he's just going to battle dark side for the rest of the existence or non or whatever you know So that kind of gave that goes back to like raven stories. Closers like Sh- TIGON was freed. And she was you know released of that burden and all of her power that took to suppress trag on has gone and he's he's kind of fulfilling purpose of he wants to be a conquer and a destroyer but and he sees dark side. His ultimate adversary. So I mean that's cool like you. There's certain things in this film that you kind of see coming in a way but yeah it's pay it's trying to pay off as much as it can for this great payoffs the entire. Animated Universe. They created in the past seven years. So yeah there's definitely a Lotta great piles which is like if there wasn't that would have less of a problem with the ending but since then it's just kinda like damn but yeah at our lax about Superman Reluctant breaking free of his possessions. Sophal that was awesome. Like ever said Siegman. Maybe he could fix the business. Pre crosses it Mattie could probably fix the earth does make about time and how much calculations because if they changed things Yeah people are going to die but like change too much like they're the burn up or freeze and I think that's that's part of the dialogue that plays into why Constantine's like just reset you know and I mean as a fan you're just like okay like it's a D. thing. Canada do but at the same time like to stop doing. I've invested in all these characters. Just calling okay to compare it to something think about at the very end of Justice League unlimited which is pretty much the end of those characters even though they do play roles in Batman. Beyond if you cut from a chronological point of view. But at the end of Justice League unlimited they stopped dark side and the villains help and then the villain say what we do and Batmans. We'll give you a head start and the villains take off running and then you see the heroes go chasing them and they kind of do one of those like fly by run by the camera things and that's where it ends so you know. The story is closed. It has this ending where. It's a finale that you could go on so in your mind you know and your mind is a is a fan story. A their stories can go on. Yeah I mean even with but in this Italy it's done. There is nothing else happening even the most famous sort of get instance of this crossover deaths so that happens but we still get whatever happens to the man of smart. Inner Kasai in manner that exists difference in books. When I'm reading you know. They're like reading all over birth and new fifty two and all like the convergence the lowest Clark so even those stories where there is changes in restarts. And all that stuff. It doesn't feel as jarring as it did. Yes film Niagara and the comics still exist in some universal reality in our the next movie. We'll get convergence and we'll find this on social pocket planet some sometimes. It's easy not hard so just a quick. Wrap up on a letter grade. What would you give this connor letter grade? Yeah Well I ask I ask it because it is. The culmination of an event is the end. And I've seen a Lotta people post reviews at. This movie is so great. I like it but I'm not in love with it like it's not see the ending and that's why I'm like. I'm like people like you know there's been comparison so another film series but I don't want to go down that rabbit hole until the end our loved it as you know. It wasn't the best thing ever but I really enjoyed it. I'm a huge fan of Constantine in Superman so I came out of this great. You know what I mean like tax cuts loving this. They get lots of screen time. And as I said there was some really unexpected stuff that I loved. My favorite scene was sick man and Raven Superman party dockside at the end was awesome constantly conscious big constant so the stuff. I didn't like like suicide squad. That was a hero back for me. It was noticeable but it was huge. It wasn't like ruining the movie for me but then I got the ending. It definitely takes a downgrade in box because of the ending are wash it today. Either and also more forgiving over it. Sir. Do you want to add five instead of out of a church. Were whatever your come with. Five T. I don't care I originally rated at two point five of five but now giving a three so I think it's good. It's really unfortunate that the ending and stuff but I still think there's enough good in there that the ending doesn't completely ruin a The the thing is I did really enjoy the movie To the Mars Pas Sur. It's not it's not my favorite animated movie but it's one get physically and I think as I said there was just a lot of stuff that was really good for me because I loved by the characters it highlighted Sir All right James Me Okay I mean I it does kind of suck that it's the end but I kind of just take it like I guess you know it's at least at least we get. I don't know at least we get an end. We know it's the end of this series of of movies. You know that we can always revisit this universe. I said before I kind of went back and forth on it The way the ending was But I really enjoyed the movie Overall very dark and they come out on the other side Somewhat it does feel like a little bit relieving until Batman opens his mouth about the way the planet so I mean I give the I give the movie a three point five. I really enjoyed Really enjoyed the characters the route they took with it D Powering Superman. I like Constantine. And and the Justice League dark stuff. The amalgamation of all of the characters and movies that they've done so far. You know you got the titans you got the Justice League got dark. You've got suicide squad. It was. It was a good combination. I really enjoyed it. I'M GONNA get it physically. I'M GONNA I'll I'll watch it again so and I agree I I'm GONNA buy it physically. I this being the end. I couldn't wait because I hate like this got spoiled quick and I think part of it is maybe the country or in right now with with everyone not having much to do like these movies come out and no one really talks about too much but it seemed like with this one. It was really heavily being discussed. So I'm glad I went ahead and just got the digital copy so we could all watch it because I wouldn't have wanted to wait and try to have this. Um like wait what's going on with it. I kinda give it. I go back and forth. I thought about trying to squeeze in a third watch before we recorded. I I kinda split around a three. Maybe three point. I liked the film but there is a lot of stuff I feel got paid off and all that so I didn't get paid off as far as in the film of just I feel like the story. Arcs can breathe a little bit more and I go back and forth because once you have that decision to make the flash restart everything. It does. Give a whole new perspective of these films. That makes it a kind of it's close. It's kind of like a how I feel towards the whole flash point new fifty two rebirth. It makes it all instead of like it's continual continuity but also makes this real small niche kind of thing where this story all exist because of this and then it was changed again so I do appreciate the really good animation of this fill like I think the animation was top notch. They didn't really try to cheapen it and I do like that. They gave it ninety minutes. Like it's maybe it's the longest one out of all of them. I think there for a while. They were all like seventy six minutes. Just a little over an hour I can our in you know fifteen minutes or whatever including credits so they slowly starting to get bigger and I liked it. This one was a good hour and a half. I could've taken ten more minutes just to fill out some of these story points and everything and I figure we'll still kinda think on this and dwell on this. Yeah I sat back and forth on it but I I like it more than I like more of it than I don't. I'm definitely GONNA watch it. I'll revisit it here and there and so I yeah I'll watch it again. I'm going to revisit it again. I enjoyed it. I do have a question for you. Guys is where where do you WANNA see them? Go and win like or you're going to get some one. Offs standalone films for a while. Before they maybe start something else and then maybe do a traditional build of individual characters in movies before they come together and that kind of stuff. I think let it breathe for a little bit before they start to continuity. I certainly don't want like two films from now. The new continuity at least I mean if they did like two films from now on they did like a standalone film for a character. And then you know do stand alone films for characters like like. Oh yeah this is the start of our new continuity or maybe do some adaptations kingdom commerce. Something Long Halloween. Let's do some. Susan solid adaptations. Maybe original films like the upcoming Superman Film. Original would be great outlet to see maybe maybe some of the more I think the dark universe. It would be fun to mind some more. I think it's about time to bring back Green Lantern Blake first flight was good and Emerald. Nice was okay. But that's kind of a war of light movie would be awesome But Yeah I. I don't want them to be like the next film kicks off the Knicks Continent. I think we need some time to just kinda breathe. Yeah I I definitely want what I want. I is original stories or if the adaptation I to be very loose because adaptations honors just these stories and I've had minutes Mars Story. I'm really excited for that. I don't think they're going to do a new shed universe. I think they said it's going to be mercy. Standalone stuff But that's that's what I want. I just want original stories. Lots of stories like that's what it's selfish but the original stories for sure Whether they created a shared continuity but original stories definitely what I WANNA see. I mean they did a good. They did a good job and decently adapting classic stories and making them in continuity to contract being the best one yet Judas contract the superman definitely the top ones that yeah yeah like I've never read the contract itself so the movie Is My connection to it in. I mean I think they did a really good job with the film and the storytelling I think death of Superman. They improved on the book. But that's kind of also they've had some other material to to pull from with Superman Doomsday and and Batman versus Superman to help expand on it and and tell a story they got rid of the the De l'est Justice League from the book Nen brought in the brought in a team so that way doomsday you know. Could you estimate the most powerful people to be fair? They went at the time they were very powerful at the time. Like Guy Gardner was his path was greenland. So that's on but I I totally understand why before because before I'd read the deficit man like whenever to self are the same opinion but when i read everything I read. Every single purse crosses comic and Justice League comic leading up to death. Man Look better and then feel at dealers but having to do that to fully appreciate. The story is still walk considered like the movie Abeto adaptation like a better telling of that because anyone can jump in and do it. You don't one hundred fifty issues to get the full appreciation of which I think is a problem with comex right. Yeah and that's the idea when it comes to continuity to is. Is there so much homework? You know Whether it be a new continuity and stuff. That's why like when some people like Brian. Asks and Brian Says Stuff Abou- US Liking fifty two and stuff like that. It's like well you know. And he's in he's currently like reading everything post-crisis it's like okay so you're setting yourself up to read twenty five years worth of comics and you know like I I didn't read. I've read comics life but not hardcore in any sense of the word and I really got into reading comics hardcore at the new fifty two. Yeah so to get entry it exactly. It's a good entry point and it's not this huge daunting task to read decades worth of comics. You know and it'll it'll give you a sense of what's happening in the modern day in the modern continuity of comics jumping on point. Yeah exactly and that's why I kind of hope that you know. I just think as I do want these new standalone stories. I do want things to move forward and I just don't want every week like we have a whole new. This guy's now voice superman. This guy's now the voice of Superman. I would like the same. Kost in our if I've got a bunch of men original stories and they had sequels to each the shore up. It'd be nice to have a canaletto before this animated universe. We had just a hodgepodge of different animation styles invoice cost As a different guy for all star they had tim daly they had time to an Arab. Ramon had yeah like you know. We had multiple different voice actors Some I can't think of comic'll data it for new frontier I can't remember who did it for crisis onto earth. Maybe it was George. Newburn now Someone else from Ti. Yes okay. As I'm saying I can't remember Superman. Adversity elite had different voice church. Bern that's why the flipped him. Tim Daly was in Superman. Batman public enemies and apocalypse saw Tim Newburn for fatal five. It was one of them. Yeah so all that to say is just. I don't want to every now there's an complete new voice cast for everything has an L. Slow. I guess let's bring back Jason. J. Lewis and let him be the new Voice of Superman for continuity films. Then I'M GONNA pay. I'm okay with that right. I like his voice. I think he deserves more but yeah I think it'd be cool since we're getting CIGNA. Manson second origin Kinda thing. It'd be coding at sequels. That movie with the same boys costs original stories. Like I don't want a one and done Arjun all more fodder superman continuity be cool like and thank the beyond the characters by their own pocket continuities. That'll be a good thing. They can liquidate just not not heavily. Give them some time. Yeah definitely you know. Batman Stories Batman Family Aquaman stories. Just take place. In in underwater. Kingdoms Superman stories are bigger and more cosmic. GimMe Gimme some men cosmic adventures in space without psych. Tom My wishlist. Yeah give him out on a truck lous. I'm liking. That logo is going to be in this news in this movie. It's weird. It's different you that bar in an origin conned of movie so interested to see where that goes very excited for all right. Let's wrap this up at our make breakfast. I'm hungry. Don't aim for four hours connor. Thank you everyone checkout connors. Podcast last son's crypt on. It is a great great dive into comics. Really enjoy listening to their discussion. Recently with the man. Whatever happened to manage tomorrow? Yeah question so there's a fund and popular topic to discuss and James is always. Thanks for being here and so I always blast you get some sleep James. Let's get some breakfast. Sounds getting bitten? Sky Look up in the sky.

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Justice League Dark: Apokolips War

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Justice League Dark: Apokolips War

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He's in the car. Rolled road lay all right. Where should we begin with this thing? Start I just WanNa say if you ha- if you're curious saga nearly Over on Krypton reports we did a look back at all the films and did our mini review breakdowns and discuss the story of all fifteen films leading up to this. So if you're kinda curious about some of the details it's a great. Two part episodes ago back listened so just curious all those fifteen connect like integrated like a like a unified DC animated universe. They're all in this continuity that this one was wrapping up. Start with the there. Are Some Justice League ones is couple this teen titans wines? The Justice League dark movie was in there but we just let me just say maybe. Dc should have made more of a point of that for people just like for for for people who aren't hardcore. Casey fans like say the people who aren't ultra hardcourt. Dc Fans like Charlie. Maybe they would bring more people to the table. I could've gotten a several other rentals out of me. It's an oboe immature. You Watch this. I mean they should have marketed. It like vendors endgame which is Kinda reminded. Me Of. This should have been like the story that wraps up the fifteen part saga. You know what I would have expected. That's what I would have expected and not expected we the last one. Let's just actually technically material that could change this story. They don't know what they're gonNA put it out just so I wondered because like during there's little threads that never pay off but then they made a big deal out a wonder woman bloodline and they left post credit. See Things Open on that film for more DOT COM? You know Donna Troy never. She was teased at the end of Jews contract and never got to do anything AM BUSINESS. Came very abruptly. Alright Alright Alright. Loaf in tyler you think. Are they going to start a new series of continuity movies or are they just going to be juicy? Oh they're not just going to be some. Add mandate actually why everything goes Kinda Rushden. Why was mercury the way that it should have been marketing? Stuff me if you listen to the way some of the creators and talked about how projects and things that were in development and being worked on before the buyout After that Hal things were changed a might mandates were put on. It makes sense because I felt like you know yes. This continuity started from the new fifty two and then they carried out. S- overtime. They kind of drop some of that They were holding too tightly to the new fifty two. They were kind of adjusting. It making their own doing a story lines and then they were kind of entering the rebirth. It more towards what the rebirth reborn storylines were. And they were kind of expanding. Because they know they did storylines like death of Superman. Hush Judas Contract In this continuity and then all of a sudden here we are boom pockets. It's over yeah I was I was. I don't know if I'm disappointed that we didn't get a two part Batman nightfall thing but maybe in a different continuity maybe zone continuity actually off the villains in. Its own little bubble. That's what I was wondering if what I was wonder. If they're going to keep Batman all that data tracking universe got spread 'em out but constitutes actually was star. I love the voice. Go go only card now wing letting I do love that he is and my thing was i. I wish I would have gotten another justice league dark spell and this before this. Yeah this just been like. It wasn't like it constitute the main character. I don't care about that but it just been like Justice League apocalypse war and kind of had built a lot more to this we would have gotten a proper justice league dark sequel and then this movie because yes. Constantine's the main character is like built around him. Abbey what yeah I. That was weird I was gonna say just like them. Marketing it as Justice League dark because it's constant team but it's like y'all brave in was also part of this you know so there's your team to do yes has pay those imagine they really screw rating those other tight moved out of why they marketed it as justice like dark. If you know Raven was a big hair delegates would they he? He a cool dude. He needs to be injustice. Dharthi live action series. I want to say one more thing before on. Hbo Yeah Okay. Yeah. That's what's coming. I do want to say one more thing before like breakdown. This film during my rewatch pretty much watched them in release order. Except I mixed up. Justice League thrones of Atlanta's out there and he's on a Batman. Because if you watch you watch son of that man that inverse robin son of a bad blood in teen titans Jews contract and then this it really is. If you're looking at a story Art Damian has the best story arc out of any characters whole continuity because he's in a majority of the film and he has a great story arc will good now now that we're GONNA shift new. Now we can get a solo night wing film. Thank you I mean he he got screwed in the Senate. He was never in his own film the he was in every in tights. We got close with that. But can we talk for a minute about night winging this you had kitchen? Yeah I mean tread lightly No they did him a very real disservice. Lot OF CHARACTERS DISSERVICE. In do you know first of okay? They take them out in that way but then they do the bring him back. But then he's and I. I'm sorry can we just do? I have to really go into my whole thing about you know. Dc and toilets because Lazarus pits. No I mean how hearing his frigging cost to in a straitjacket. Locked away in the basement of the illness ass. He's acted man. There's toilets headed layton flash if or how does he use it if he's a straight he's saying he's a Boston away? Okay okay in fifty two boxes. Are you gonNa tell me the first thing that doesn't teach you how to get out of a straightjacket? Oh Oh oh I have to go poop. Let me dislocate my shoulders. Get Out of this straitjacket back into it just out of remember. His mind is not right. Not Daily put typer. Now let me let me say this because I don't know because we do have an ending for this for this show that I thought I thought the idea of you know we pay terrible costs. Yes we got a couple of get outta debt free cards. Constantine was the cheapest. Um In my opinion magic magic. Oh yeah he's always. Oh you have to go back and that's luxury that's it. That's all you have to face says you go back and see go back and so death is literally meaningless. If fate decide you should go back. I thought the Raven Damian. Resurrection was much better handle. I liked it. It calls back also to win. She held his face when it was burnt up in team sites and you also see that there was a trade off for both of them. Because you see that now her. Ropes are white so obviously something has changed for her. That wasn't it wasn't a it wasn't a it wasn't a frequent. It wasn't a Lazarus pit free card and the whole and the whole Batman thing is like the Todi dark side loved that remind you of that jail for Iraq of ages. Yes and I think that's kind of sort of what they were going for. Although although although although Batman was baking in that story he waited years they get dark. And that's basically what I was. I was expecting him to sleeper. Yeah I think that's that was the misdirection. They wanted everyone to thing that I it was less. It's very in character for legs. But it got man and Damian. That much stronger emotional beat like. I said if you watch if you the films especially the the Batman Films that relationship of Bruce Damian Just adds weight to this. This film is not a very good. Like Oh abso- washes for by itself. But really I think to get the impact you need. Seen the other ones are no the other films. And it's just the blood but it's just a bloodbath. Yeah that love about it. Having the bloodbath. Okay okay right okay. Good this the whole movie starts off. The whole movie starts off. I think bad premise. And I work really WanNa Tyler's opinion on this. I mean to Superman. First option is to kill dark side. I mean I know Dr. Dark side out there. He's GonNa come to Earth he's GonNa Destroy Everything we see this. But it's like wouldn't superman I when he at least tried. I maybe like imprisoned dark side somewhere attorney like a phantom zone or something right so the first time I watched it I watched it and that came up and I was like Dang. I don't like what Superman's doing right here. It's not even five minutes in it's like Oh yeah we got to kill him and I I was. They tried to play up talks. I tried to kill me dark side. You know he sent Doomsday. And I'm like okay. I get that but if this had come right after like the death of Superman where we kind of really see him in very angry state I get it. I've had too much time to freeze yes. Marta Film Superman is not going to go a superman. Kill someone threatening him. If someone else was hurting universe nowhere yet Yano. I was expecting much like they did with. Constantine that there was supposed to be some other manipulation at play owes someone someone's putting some Kryptonite nece- just eat I'm thinking Oh that's selects move because we see one voice of reason wealth way. Yeah I thought for sure. That was French Stewart. But yeah it's right. Well yeah I I will say like Dietrich baiters better I felt that he was kind of A. I mean I guess it worked for this role. That he was a bit of a whiny Luthor. And it wasn't it. Wasn't the the the superman but the powers lose kind of more use to enlighten animation? How many US tease Ben Bona? Think back to like he was Lee started luthor. He's only been in. What three movies? Plus four movies with this one okay. So but but this is so he is the he is the Lutheran. Okay so like when I look at like like I said Egypt baiters Lutheran Red Sun. And I don't know who did Luthor in the animated series that guy. That is my around. Yeah Yeah that is my luthor right there because that is that is manning but this powers. I am the peak of human perfection. And how dare this alien coming you better than me? You know favorite place. Now cross the awesome you know continue on Jones Boundary Leonard. He also did not vicious vampire lover again against his bedroom. This Wilson's am so many people didn't have speaking roles they didn't have. They have been hundred. Had One how Jordan. One Who often one night wing. I don't think had one no deserve. So who does he do a little crazy? I laugh when I see him though. We're does Oh night wing is. There's certain if you watch the continuity films it's hard to discern how much time has passed From how they all connect DC because all that eats sorry did that but They're so curious. Come in in-between the films that we never knew where they came from marsh man hundred shows up. Hawk manager shows up John Stewart just shows up Allah gun justice time. Yeah but it's just not to you to figure Fahd cannon cannon fodder well did you guys notice that they brought in the other. Wally West to today wipe so there. There is the pan shot of red headed valley west. He's also in the Judas contract teen titans movie in the opening epilogue and then if you watching they show titans tower. There's the African American Wally West. Well this I mean. They did that in the comics to. I mean you know in these films. But they didn't bring him back. So Rebirth in the comments we got while West both versus but this free just got another. Wally West with no explanation. This is Easter cast. What my other real problem with this is that they kind of stick it seemingly create a time loop that you get an ending at it. Well it it'd be you know it's like okay so let me tell what flashpoint. Wait the end of the movie. So you're saying so the of the move. So and here's the thing slash calls out. I know you guys on believe what I've said about flashpoint. Bud Yada Yada Yada. Then he has to go back and change this past. We'll see you run back to a casual watcher. Sounds like oh? He's creating that time when he told me. Maybe we shouldn't do this. And then they do it anyway but it's not a it's not a time loop that's created new fifty. Two in the comics like yeah. He went back state of his mother and then he had to put everything right and it. Nothing went back perfectly. He's now Franklin Richards Charlie. He's no to. That's what that's what they're saying. It's a it's a reboot but nothing goes back exactly the way. It was just against Kim Running. But are they GONNA go comic book and it starts with him running back. I got it I got it. Flashpoint comes back to this guy. I got it I got it. I know I did this. Are they going to the comics? Are We gonNA introduce Dr Manhattan? Well I pardon me had hoped. That's he was that. Act The breaking up a little bit of a lot or something signifies what you know how we got the new fifty two. Yeah was he was running doctor. Manhattan intervened. Yeah that's what I'm saying. You're coming up. They're gonNA thing this whole thing. Maybe we'll go back and you'll fix it. Why do you have to because I mean as an example? I would've loved to see you know you know mentally broken and Cyborg Star Fire. Could you see that scene? Yeah but at the end that they did it. They say dark sides machines even though they stopped him they still mess with the molten core the earth so like the Earth was going to die anyway. So it's like what did you have to lose your all rugged anyway so be going to lose Superman Superman? Don't give me Oh. This is too much for us to possibly solve creating magma. Watch the super friendless cocaine math. Don't make magma. Don't tell me Superman can't fix this new fifty two point nudity. Not your super friends. If nothing else they could go find a new frigging planet. You know it's like Oh okay even says this is going to be You know things are going to different but it's best for all of us if you go back and do this. But that's what does he know. And that's the thing everyone was like. Okay like you know very much very realized he had to give it another try to vote and I mean I mean we never got exact numbers but I mean after the whole invasion by apocalypse I assumed the most of the population of earth had been wiped out. I mean a good probably. What like probably over fifty percent of the population have been wiped out because when they showed they show concept team in the pub in England and in it seemed like most of the city was abandoned or most of it was in hiding and even if you even if you got rid of a half the panel as has been pointed out that's like a billion and a half people even if you take another billion off of that as wonder woman says that's so five hundred thousand people who could five hundred million people who are more than enough to build a society planet also this idea of. Oh what if we just want it and just fly backwards around the earth to save Lois Lane? You know it's like no. I don't think that's a good. I will superman nine. He loves now. I'm just saying I and there's a lot of liked about this song and really as a whole I really enjoyed this newer. Many points where I wept when I was watching this on. It has a lot of beautiful story points. It just has a lot of things that just really pull you out and that seemed like breaking up try told you gotTa Circle that Cell Tower just driving a circle on that cell tower will said yes but no no. Do they have bowl? So Oh but we also we also got Harley Quinn in the suicide squad yeah like those movies King Shark is a shark. Okay can I. Can I get kind of like really bugged about King Shark for minute short ahead? Yeah so as we know we open up with you know as you do Constantine in a fully hetero normative relationship with China to show his goodness impurity and then later on we are only hinted to his broader sexuality. Is that he once went for the core with King. Shark Troy sorry it is just. It is not comforting to say. Oh yeah that's that's how we're going to describe anything. Outside of his Hetero normative relationships is oh yeah and then he also had a premature moment and I just I just felt like because I m thinking Oh did they did. They was it was the same mandate as to. Who exactly he's supposed to be. What is a proper placement of various things And then what? We do WANNA references like okay. Well you king shock for that. I think it was clumsy way of showing his. Whoa no he was supposed to be. That's intentional yeah. Well I mean cows intentional but it was a they there Columbia attempt. I mean is. He's supposed to be by. I mean not by and it was by but pan sexual now will I don't know he's he's all the things. Whatever hit your kids are using this what he is. Look if you live by right I mean all through that which will help blaze. He was by and sit down for that. Yeah I'm totally down for you know and when you think of all the people on the suicide squad who could have been his ex who would have been you know heck you know dead shot. That's that's a really great ex- forum. I mean was there. What about Captain Boomerang? No He's an Ozzie. And he apparently what Australians unattractive Sir English apparent apparently. That's that's that's although honestly much much worse from that perspective you know yeah so I was not comfortable with and then you did this weird thing with King Shark where he made they make him into group for most of the film at the end he just talks to complete sense sentence and I just took. I took that may be as king charges mess with people for the most of the movie. Yeah just like you guys just like stupid muscle but hey you know back. Gotcha I get that you know it. Just it's a lot too and I would imagine actually kind of feeling you only did that in front of Captain Boomerang since I can deal with it in that but it just I mean th there were bad jokes but I just to that the king shark thing and even the Constantine being the ex king charges is like their attempts bad humor. It's like look constitutional sleep with anyone what I think I think you know. Yeah I just I just I like his little say I would have liked it. So for example had the other 'cause we should one of his other ex head that also not been lotus. Now maybe she's a plant woman and maybe that's how you get the idea that you know. He will sleep with anything so station plants and in Savannah. And that's fine. I guess I just wish that they weren't all you know. Female gendered except for Kane shocked that the one male gender has and then it's not even not even gendered. It's really it's a fish. So is King. Shark more man or more shark. I may not. That was a quick actually. fell in love with this is King Shark Shark. That is like a bipedal or is he a human who was turned into a Shark C by Peel Shark or is he a shark or was he a human who has got mutated. Is that the candidate anymore? I thought her wasn't their version where he was like a goal like hit mom Battle it was like your little Pentagon wino- Hammer at any the flash. He was a human who is mutated. So that's what is your classic streak street shorts. Well Yeah Yeah. It makes a difference. If you're if you're a human who becomes a shark or shark who becomes to human like in this guerilla Grat who does not cotton to you know regular apes from committee the last one or they don't know they they play with his yeah yet depends on the continuity because on the flash TV show he was a human he was mutated but in the comics. I think he was born like a shark. Man You know almost like maybe like killer CROC Almas. Crock originally just had skimpy and dish. Yeah he's yeah. We started mutate more air. Yeah as you do okay. So that's so that's that's the answer. The answer is we don't know But me and just but that was the thing so they do give this reveal that the reason constantine ran was because Batman and the Tana got together behind Superman's back which is kind of also super they're like plotting against Superman know it's sort of like it's like having a formalize plan B that they're going to structure so 'cause here's a here's plan B which really bet me and should be doing that. Okay we're not attack like the full frontal attack on on apocalypse and there's not like okay. So here's our plan. Here's the here's the rally point. Here's the fall Like that usually 'cause I've been reading a few military comics I've always been a fan of Gi. Joe They always go like when we rally point. You know this is the fallback position this this plan this plan this plan when the pain goes goes to but just no word of make the point you for the plan. Go Sideways Girl. The plan all the way I think I I mean I mean. It wasn't smart but I think it was like an all or nothing plan. I think they figured either. We're going to succeed in kill dark side or he's going to kill us but that's not a good plan that I know this this making a heck. Here's a crazy thought. You're worried about dark side. What have we moved our solar system into the Phantom Zone instead of putting into the Phantom Zone? What have we all went to? The Fan of ood out was my. That was my biggest problem. I thought movie started on a flawed premise. That Superman first option was. Hey let's go kill parkside instead of hey let's imprison him. Hey let's high birth something of anything than Halo. Go Kill dark side. I mean if they tried everything else and they were out of options may be Superman. I would see someone else bringing this up either. Hell I'd see wonder woman or Batman bringing up this option before Superman. Hey let's kill dark side yes I mean that that is exactly you know and again. I thought I thought it was going to be something about like you know 'cause I really thought that those can be something with cyborg because apparently this this is that he's made with mother box technology new pithy. Kutu continuity at all so when he tells Batman. I'll handle this. Which is like really I was waiting for the big reveal when he when they find him at the end and he's all built into the wall you know. I was waiting for that to be like the secondary. Reveal of this whole thing that oh no Cyborg portrayed them because you know he had been taken over by dark side long before well. Let's well that's the other thing that the solution came up with at the end. You know where they kind of like halfway teleported so they were out not to me off Tyler Patrick but no I was saying yeah exactly. That was my problem at the end I was like. Why do we think of this first? Before we went to the kill option on their team. You are not allowed to use the argument because they were dummies. Why is always seven steps ahead of everyone you never? And he's on your team. You're never allowed to use. Oh I guess we just didn't think of that. Aren't we at work? Was it. The Justice League striking I like dark side wasn't coming at that exact moment could it? They've taken an extra hour and say hey or anything we can do. Besides kill him. That would take you know they. They said he ended our universe. Knockout something so they're trying to get there before he got closer to Earth So yeah I mean and to to to if they if they're going to try to kill him and use this overwhelming force I mean. We saw the Green Lantern Corps. Why wouldn't we try to team up with the Green Lantern Corps because they I mean a couple of hundred a couple hundred greenlanders would bolster our force. If we're going to go that route honestly fill the reason. Why as poorly done it goes back to what Charlie said earlier and you said is the arc of Superman in this move is that he's very angry very clouded on his judgment and he wants to go he. He's taking it personal. He was attacked dark side. He wants to go. So he's making bad judgment calls he you know set of rallying and everyone's following him. I mean I would have liked a little bit more at the beginning of Batman and Superman like talking like the Clark not do this like really bring up so that we do. Have this Clark's off. And we see him with with with the KRYPTONITE. We see him. You know all messed up. We feel more. We feel that burden. He's carrying for his failure. And that's why I think this film it helps when you see all the others because it doesn't set up some of this character beats in this. Don't pay off in this. Well that's the that's the one thing that's the that's my big problem with modern superman. I think they dumped him down way too much well but not only that say if an earn so all the to do was have like a montage. The start up those last fifteen pounds like a quick sort of like they did. The sort of watchmen where you get. Kinda get to see that arc of the Superhero mythos before we get to do a montage. While you're getting superman going through this stuff he's going and then also when I've really got to say that I just I it. Is that in? The middle of the big strategy meeting just goes in mixed personal. Call the lowest. Yeah it was just like is it just seemed like it was it was done but but they don't. I don't think they give these especially this one. They don't give these animated movies. Long enough. I mean I mean if we're GONNA do a rated R. Movie. Why don't you give it to our customers? Birds Okay and and it was such a four star. That's really about. It is when you force are. Were you throw in a couple of times? You know boobs in this and it wasn't there wasn't was an sm and I ripped apart what goes mostly for that I think is Mr for the blood and violence. And they're like oh we got the are. Why don't we throw in some F bond? The f-bomb was that even necessarily it's directly adults that has been there saying song but see. That's the thing I don't like him. I think that's one of the things that I don't like about Elton. Pay You know Did you guys watch the mortal Kombat movie? They just did ever again. Brown never again. So it's an animated radar and it is so over the top violent that sense but its mortal. Kombat exactly like these dark. Like justice. League dark was rated R. E. Nudity at all. Yeah but I mean that's a slippery slope though because it's like yeah you don't do our you're cutting out the kids but to are you going to create like a family friendly version of. Constantine you you could still do I mean. Pg Thirteen family friendly man on the CW filters yeah true true. I just find it awkward when they tried to do. Our animation tried to put like a lot of adult stuff enemy death. It just feels awkward. Exactly yeah you didn't have to do it and for what it's worth. You can have both McClure emphasis boys on a family friendly show so nothing about nothing about the second guy guidelines on. Cpi check Oh to especially references to tournament for sate are from the fact that he was on broadcast television. So the the implication of cour-. Yeah that's still on broadcast television. They still have the same sensors oxygen everywhere else you see yes selena safe. Fcc that everybody has to deal with you know so it is and that was an eight o'clock show that's family our so you know and the facts that is is nowadays. You are allowed to kiss boys if you'RE A boy. Yeah Yeah but the whole the whole King Shark thing does that count as though but like I said. We're the troy McClure. It's it's allowable. Well it's it's it is really a sentient being and you know it's different. You know aries in his children. Who are horses different? Brats about Just you know Ron Perlman is east beast. Yeah exactly you know. There's all sorts of time but but I back want to harp this superman thing too much but I thought it would have been better if like superman in other league members within been like. Yeah we'RE GONNA kill are excited. Superman would've been like no no no we can't kill you know better than that. Let's try to imprison him or do whatever and then the plan fails like we see. And then you know people later on Revenue Superman face when things go to crap. It's just like oh well you know this is your fault Clark. We should kill them when we had the chance. The central problem of this is that is based based on a Martha basically instead of putting the Martha at the end of the film. It put the Martha at the beginning the phone to get out of the way. We have our Martha moment where we say. What the heck are they talking about? Then we do the rest of the film Martha Martha Moment. It's more like Bruce and Damian at the res. Looking at killing his son realizes that he's the killer. That is the cutest Eric. That's your Martha. Well no I mean when. You're taking the Martha moment literally. I'm using the Martha moment to mean a moment. That is unrealistic out of character and takes you completely out of the film. Okay that is so for example. That's implying that the Martha so you out of the film that you weren't able to recognize seeing tyler. How are you so you can fully see man being a nutjob your who wants to just do a pincer movement like Hannibal Smith on Wall? Rare name like Martha me to know. I think it's out of place I character to be doing that. Yeah but I wouldn't find it as that character. Has this like kick the that opening scene been more like a post credits? Scene of like wasn't hush. Where got the scene of lex Luther showing up as part of the Justice League in he says no at the end of Rain Superman he's were going to apocalypse Sarande. That had it been this type of scene where he's paranoid. After being brought back to life and having a dark side just invaded it would have made more sense but because like that movie end with we're going to apocalypse then we go and do Batman Hush and do wonder woman bloodlines. Then we circle back to this year but how much time passed. Well I mean if we look at those films like there has been time that's passed. Yeah but there are they own. Nobody tries to talk superman out of it. I think. That's that's you know that means on this team just saying yep I trust superman impressively. If he says let's do a half maneuver and dark side. I'm gonNA totally by it. Nobody questions the kill order not Batman not wonder woman not flash none of that none of these champions of life he actually to be fair slash does and Luthor does true enough. You had budded this up with the return okay. Okay listen to listen to that premise. And tell me what's wrong with it? Superman says we must go. Kill dark side and LEX. Luther is the one that says. Oh no we shouldn't do this all no. It's totally wrong. I'm not disagree. I'm saying if they had butted up with rain superintendent okay. I understand. Why Superman's crazies young? But he's been back for a while you know like the idea of him coming back to life and then being like paranoid at that moment makes more sense but that that is the problem with modern. Dc In this story. Superman is the one that says. Let us go kill this enemy. Lex Luthor is the one that says will back the train up son. Let me give you another thing. That's wrong with this. Which and this is. This isn't as much of a Like it takes out of it but it is sort of that thing that takes you out of it. We think about it later. Batman had the plan B that he never told Superman about because. We're all wondering what's going on when when Constantine runs at that moment because that's not Constantine's stick you know So when Constantine runs we are left with wondering what it is and then we realized that Ono Batman wanted a backup plan case. You've May's plan failed. Did they say that yet? Okay okay I thought I must have missed that line. I thought the Tanna was just like I wanted to save. I loved you. I just wanted to save you Batman. Cow Cam I might remember. This is as a hate. I'm still because thing that maybe constantine hadn't run. Maybe he could've turned. Yeah Yeah I know. She cast this bill. I just missed the PART ABOUT ABOUT BATMAN. I thought she was just like I love you. Get Out and talk a little bit about Chekhov's dragon so the first see try gone in the jewel of of of Did you just knew we're GONNA LET OUT ON APOCALYPSE? And that's what's going kill between that and then bringing a flashpoint every two seconds. Yeah you knew those. We're going to keep coming back up. Yeah but it's like you know it just seemed like I don't know I guess I'm guessing that they did the whole try on inside the crystal into Yeah Titans. Yeah fine You know I don't think it works better if you had seen that because it's like a payoff for that story. Well Yeah Yeah they set it up but it just seemed very formulaic. That yes in obviously yes. The idea is sort of like sort of stealing from Ragnarok. Well you get your power from Asgard. Here's the guy who's GonNa Destroy Card have had it you too know for that for what it's worth. I will say this. I am living for the try. Gone dark side. That was the best of this entire film especially when he says the new gods. I'd impress that is really the are gone and then also in its own beauty when Trigano says the Raven shoot minutes unless you WanNa fight me for the right to kill this man go about Your Business and then you know says thank you for this because what he's getting because he knows we're GONNA go into nothing space finish muck forever and that is like. Oh what a gift. What gift for try gone have just GonNa this to cod into submission for all eternity? But Hey it's honestly it's what the both honestly. It only sounds like heaven both of them. They're both going to be in that conquers mode for ever because neither one will ever be able to defeat the other Origami. Yeah once defeats the other than the than the other one's like a billion years from now and like you brought up. It's like Cyborg. Has Mother box technology? Why don't we try teleporting dark side away first before we go for the kill? Well maybe just like old wore them was just teleported him away into nothingness and we're done but then he came back so I'm like with what Phil said. Phantoms something about Secures Defend Himself Doomsday mini series. They did like in the late nineties. Tyler. I don't know if you read that Dave. I mean the Superman. The league eventually stopped Tuesday by like daylight like constantly teleporting him between like three Justice League teleport or so like we can't move he just basically you know basically what. They did Scotty in next generation. They chop them in the teleport her. What I yeah I mean. But here's the thing cyborg. They know his it from other box technology. Which means immediately everyone should be thinking. You know we we trust you. Cyborg we know you were but your your tax is bad guy tack there. Yeah I mean we sh we should be cognizant of that in everything we do with you because you are bad guy tack and maybe we've especially if we don't one hundred percent. Have you know exactly how that bad guy tech works? Maybe we shouldn't just be telling you all of our of actually you know a they call it out in Kinshasa. Once where the go team you know. They're villain can just appear on their monitor. Every wants to really your appears on your monitor at any time. You've used for malicious purposes to put on my. I mean like even like like tell trying to teleport dark away even if it doesn't work permanently if you buy yourself six months or a year or you know just. A few months gives you time to plan. What did Superman be for that instead? Let's go kill them. I mean that's exactly that's the whole thing of it. You know like Jimmy Superman side. I'm like boy. Can we just talk about does Kryptonite? Kill Superman kip. Kryptonite doesn't kill Superman. It weakens makes him sit. It can kill him either begging him. So that other things kill or I thought that the poise and it depends on the quantity to out of like dark side. Just wanted the torture that gave him just enough that weaken his law kill him gives them enough. Just to the inconsistency of Kryptonite. It's always been bothering me. Just watch smallville it'll drive you crazy. I watched SMALLVILLE. And that's where most of my man grows up on and just a meteoroid field spilled tonight no evers adverse effects except when he gets too close to Lana Lang. You know trip. I gotta go fellas all right here. The `tatoes Keep losing signal to. Yeah thanks Tyler Talk To. Maybe they'll help Louis Popping in and out low of what's up so have you been keeping track of the conversation. So what else about this movie hellfire like? I'm glad that it's it's the end of watching the new one. I mean it's literally like this thirty eight overall. I'M DVD BLU. Blu Ray doubt. No more of Anderson vendors game did better absolutely cool in this phone on No the using the Lasso to bring own wound back. Constant time was yeah I really. Constantine is the MVP so yeah which again is a single living. No thing if we had left him on the plane sealed owned. Maybe this would have come out better. Maybe we wouldn't have lost. You know we got stuck in. That happens to maneuver yeah. We came in unprepared and not for nothing. How does not have KRYPTONITE weapons when he's gone when he's trying to tonight suit? Well technically well. Technically I mean him and Superman are on the same side so you really want to take something that maybe darks I can take off of you and us again superman except that we know that dark side. It doesn't take a lot of thought to of the payer dumon's whatever they call those. Thanks that they were going to. Make Doomsday. They're going to use you know caproni. Dna Jamaica creature. Because they've already done that you know. See What did you say? Well okay. Let's make six or you know it's not things you know it's not like we're not making these. Nevada do I mean doomsday was always a plot device but he has become so much of a plot device in like current especially once redel once. We don't WanNa do it again. Say he was. He was a plot device to begin with. We needed something to kill Superman. He accomplished his jaw. They keep wanting to you know. Ram that plot device down your throat. What can we do this time? Let's DNA with Pera Demons. Do they actually isn't even isn't even like made from of Man's DNA. That's like a secondary bizarro thing. Oh there's there's there's so many different versions of where do you know doomsday came from between the calm eggs and knees and just and it can go to whatever? The original origin was for the character. This to me do like Bizarro as always from the BIZARRO. I'll allow superman bad clone but Jimmy Bizarro BIZARRO WORLD. That isn't important. That is what that character comes from originally doomsday was like just a science experiment. Gone crazy on Krypton. You know what what? What'S HIS CREDIT CREATURE. That can survive anything. That's always adapt. 'cause that's how evolution works like single generation mutation for adaptation and. My problem is every time you bring back dooms. It gets defeated. I'm like the aren't you making superman? Look weaker that the first time he shows up killed Superman. It's like what was wrong with you that day super bad. It's like every other time of showed up getting defeated. The argument is if if you really want to have. If you don't have a pseudoscientific argument would you can show is the basic small in the idea of he will just keep on evolving and becoming better. That's not how evolution works so like for example when when most bugs evolving adaptation for example a penicillin resistance. There is a trade off to them. They get that resistance but now they're not as infectious or not as communicative because now they have a stronger cell wall. Whatever it is. That's GonNa protect you know when when a disease goes airborne. Suddenly it has another weakness that it trades off for that. Because you know as as you will see if you ever watch cheers you. But she's one of my favorite Youtube videos out there You will see how they talk about. You know your speaking points in certain adaptations and some pages are advantageous for every time that you shift your points you know you only have so many points. And there's only so much energy within a system to create your life form that you know it's not always going to be. It's not gonNA adapt in the same way so that for example you could have and it's a great great example with the help you can have a weaker hulk that smarter and that that's what it needs to survive so you get a Joe Fixit Hulk. It's not as strong. But it's like way more intelligent and it actually can find other ways to defeat its enemies that most other hawks never think of. We'll see that would make more sense to me is like every time he doomsday got killed came back that he can't. He's not necessarily stronger every time or he has a different weakness every time he takes a different form every time. I you know that would make it a little more sensitive. Would imagine he has to I mean and maybe he just keeps on the strength. But of course you don't win by strength if you won by faith alone. The abomination would always diff- up. Bam Nation is technically stronger than the hulk. According to the ritual origin of the character. That's the pilot is stronger than the hall but the Hulk is able to overcome that through whatever comic book devices you need and so that that is why Superman Defeats Doomsday. Because into one. Trait doesn't help you know. It doesn't matter how smart you know. Lex Luthor is if you know he so all election for smarts leads to hubris which leads to his own failure. You know and that's because you expecting to that genius trait the downside of that is now. He doesn't question his own math. If don't question you you get your though. Yeah Yeah. Well they're welcome to the caves at lunatics mandate that was. His thing may look easy people but it is really hard with you know in that that gets holding out Lewis. Boy Get You these Husbands I was a different man then potato hobby every bad the army threat model trains. And it's fine you know I'll allow it you know. It doesn't really cause a major problem in the plot like what caused a major problem in the pot. Was that for seeing Superman. Kills Superman's reading? I don't mind Superman. What did the first five minutes in the first movement? I don't mind that I mind. I don't mind that. He was evil that knowing that he was superior yeah. I mind that he didn't have a better plan. Yeah basically here. Let's all go and punch dark side. Yes let's punch as hard as we can with it. Oh you know the joke in eighteen. Whenever they when Hannibal Lecter describe something as a maneuver which describes every attack. And a half pincer maneuver isn't a thing a pincer maneuver is when you come in behind in hop light warfare to to close off the enemy's line of retreat a half pincer maneuver means. You're literally just picking a side in ramming at them head on. So yes. Maybe you're GONNA hit from the left hand left rank that yeah. It's it's not a you know it's like a fool and getting your how well the different things they make every episode at a royal drums. Yes but you know. But that's the thing that but that is that is. That's the joke. When every time he says it's a classic half pincer maneuver. It's it's meant to be that he's he he is saying we don't really have a good fan but we're going to rely on the fact that we're probably a superior force and because we're a superior force we can just do this head on attack because we are the and that's great if you're the ATM and you're going up against a bunch of starved cultists in the desert. I don't think dark side counts. You know I don't think army a paradigm demons. Even if dark side is off of the planet at the time and his biggest baddies are off you know his waves and waves of paratroop para demons if it was just waves and waves of Pera Demons. That's not gonNA make it easier. The at should it like you were saying. Some of the other Justice League members have been questioning Superman. It's like a yeah you could take. Maybe a couple punches from dark side but some of us one hit and we're wallpaper so they go to this out a little more. You'll get you gotta give this to that that the suicide squad apparently was cutting through para dunes going out barely. Maybe they weren't at that point. You're like really Harley. Quinn is just are you always sure. Maybe the Justice League is just bad at their jobs. And that's another thing because we have there if we're GONNA do a massive attack. Why isn't the core is there? Wasn't this industrial core there if apocalypse exit an existential threat to everyone you know. Why aren't we going after him? Exactly why are we taking literally a handful? Didn't even bring plastic man or ambush bug or oh every wipe the floor with everyone you got little racer Forget again to like you said I mean. No one had a plan. B If Superman Film Batman Luthor should have had like a nuclear bomb something. What the problem is that? Batman and Luther. Both like had plan B's for themselves. I don't think one really thought it through and it will say actually actually know it was the most interesting thing that I don't think it's ever been mentioned before that I guess job show was GonNa Shoot Batman and then chose not to. There's versions of the story where that were that's true. Yeah which also kind of suggested idea that Joe. Chiro showed Batman mercy. And maybe that's why he doesn't kill because everything joke Joe Chill Harden murder that he is could kill Martha in and Thomas but he can kill it kid effort as he was he was still human. Yeah and maybe that kind of thing informs Batman on a deeper level the idea that he might realize that they could have killed me and he didn't add in most stories. It's not even that deepest basically like you know. This was in his mind. This was the ultimate evil. So it's like ultimate evil kills so if I went to fight ultimate evil. I gotta be the opposite so I do not. That's that's the kill comic book. Nineteen thirty nine. Charlie asks her. Come on yes I get. I understand the premise. I understand the premise. I'm just saying actually by that time. You've already killed by ten people in the Lilith favorite period. Yeah well you know. I've got to learn hanger. Dead parties with the plane right. What should be center in that car? Lots I don't care crush Muslim cows. Oh steep learning curve okay. He didn't have to say you've ever read Mr Justice but this guy is just crazy. Evil killing people. But he's the good guy you know he's like what is the punisher. I guess he's like yeah. This is if the specter fought street level crime so if the ultimate judgement of God just Yo was stopping bank robbers. It's it was nuts now. I really enjoyed this. But we don't have to get the books talking about the movie but why if you WanNa talk some books on Super Conductivity superconductivity. We can do whatever you I got. I got lots of books. You talk about a lot of other things talking about gotTa Talk. Rick and Morty that we're GonNa Talk Harley Quinn's Ricky Phillips no ma'am. When does that ever stop him when I'm busy? Hey Hey I'm busy in about get more busy because there's a third star Trek's original series coming out on CBS. Oh Access. We got that today like well. I mean that's been that's been an awful what they didn't season to also Kinda Cool. It's like it's all a fractured time. And maybe he doesn't have to get burnt and put in a wheelchair. We can only talk in peeps for some reason now. That's in that's coming. Oh we've seen that already. I know I don't WanNA spoil. Well there's like a time crystal basically you touch it. You see your fate. And he saw his fate so in the melting multi phase. Yeah I don't any misunderstood what technology was so bad that it was like we can what we can read your thoughts but he can only communicate in. Yes and no I mean. I don't think this is this. Supposedly this is still original line. This isn't that movie timeline. So it's like I mean we can reference the movie tie line in card because there's like the whole destruction of Romulus in it. Wasn't that like the whole motivation for the guy going back in time in destroying Vulcan Ya. Yeah but it's a I don't know because out of that. Same Destruction or different destruction. But you know the problem. Is You have Patrick Stewart. He time travels Shenanigans from the X. men into starch. Good Lord all right. I'll teach we wrap this up and get super conductivity. Sure All right so love Hellfire what. What did you grade this movie? Because you can't let alone. I miss plus O C plus it just like an incomplete story like a lot of things. Don't go earn if you're not in on so you can watch alone. You know what I need even endgame. Yeah I really think you can. You can get the gist of it. There was there was there was there was a staff four finally went for the head. Okay and just yeah. There's there's enough in it and for what it's worth. The advantage of game is that it so steeped in our modern popular culture. You don't have to have seen aunt man to know what happened that man. You've been named it enough that everything you need to know about avalanche. The story was already presented to you guys was called but it was supposed to and actually that you know that was a bad idea but it would have worked had gone up his nose and the trick wasn't that he should have expanded. He should have shrunk his brain or at least part of it. Yeah but just shrink the whole brain so the spinal column dies or just shook his brain going and stop on his brain skull. Go right up the nose go. The olfactory their shrank down that nerve keypunch shrinking shrinking at China. And you won't even know what's going on at first on the near something. He just knows that something's up. It's you know I am I am I am I am just struck him out. And then that's how you do it. You don't have to like blow 'em up you just have to use your powers more more more and again. I know this was animated. But they should have given them more time. I mean the strength of the vendors news is they give him time and for what it's worth. It's an animated movie mapping released in theaters. Why not make it two hours? And there's a cost to making an animated film longer. I'd get that plus it's read it or you don't have to worry about the attention smith span a small children either and again like I said it is such a cheap. I'm sorry blood is achieve. Our children aren't freaked out by Gore. They're not especially just cartoon Gore whole. It's it's gross but sewer half the things that come out of uncle Grandpa so you know. I think it's over. Estimating yeah how disturbing the blooded but in the world we live in. They don't WanNa hear the complaints. They'd rather you know someone comes out and be like well we rated it are you know. That's that's fair that read it again? Like I said it's a cheaper but even so even even still that's redundant to the fact that they could have made it. They could have just given us more backstory on. Everybody as could put us why we're supposed to care about these characters is they're just hoping we had already spent three hundred dollars on the first fifteen episodes. We're we're not watching. The theater can't pause it and go to the bathroom and come back if we have to sound like. We can't watch it two or three times. If you bought it you know it's like there's no reason to just try to cram it all in short thing and I will say it has some really good moments that were undone by bad moments and say great. You know I I actually wanted to give it a B. I guess 'cause I thought the good moments that I really liked were really good. There were a lot of really you know kind of like yes moments moments there. I mean but you know when you take into account the fact that the entire premise is based on a dumb idea. So that because of that everything goes through and then you have the. We'll just undo it with a flashpoint again. Well it's not technically doing. You're creating basically a new universe. I Well No. Because the applications him going back it it wipes out the because then everything fades to white. So we'll yeah and it's GonNa it's GonNa create a new time line where everything isn't exactly perfect superman man. Yeah out this never. I don't know it's just. Yeah whatever it is because first off if going back in time doesn't change this thing then why go back in time at all if this reality is going to exist. What is going back in time going to solve because obviously if we're going to go on many worlds principle novelty you. There's other timelines where this didn't happen. You know male fourteen fourteen million timelines where it failed but yeah. They're still an incident number of other times where it all succeeded so half pitcher move actually worked. You know where they said. Hey you know maybe we should get a couple other powerhouse super villains into the group if you get that Harley Quinn here. She's a fan favorite. So she's probably GONNA kick everybody's but what about is kind of crazy squirrel girl? What about this movie? Make you think anyone put deep thought into it out. Charge me twenty bucks for it. That makes me think. Oh did you hear it Leslie? I know I know I just I. I always give the benefit of a doubt to these people and obviously I am always wrong so so anyway my grade. Yeah I'm GONNA give it. I'm going to give it a see. I'm just going to say it's it averages out to a C. Had A couple had a couple of days. You're going to be able to see ya gotta go with the Plus just because I mean a like the Constantine stop. There was some good stuff in here. But just like this stupid. I mean especially Superman. Stoppages brought it down for me so you know just like many bad decisions again. Electric Justice League dark film with Constantine fighting a supernatural Dylan which is what Justice League dark. That might have been good. Well we got one of those movies already but again. It's like our. Should we still be making stupid mistakes? Fifteen movies in no we shouldn't accept CC all I get the feeling that you say. Oh yeah they're this. You sent American versus South Dakota. But they're animated universe. Basically the debt came everything that came out of their Batman animated series. And then there's the DC Louis Movie univ- a cinematic that. Is this fifteen bills. That the whole thing. Well it's a whole. The whole thing is the problem and I don't think it worked out very well to watch the world birth yes. At and T. is making a. That's true yeah books just yet. All right we already. We done penned. This is your backing more comic books. Listen this puts them in his back pocket little helper. I do I do I and doesn't I do just in his reading his book properly. 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Zach Snyder's Justice League

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Zach Snyder's Justice League

"They said the age of heroes would never come again. Pastelle. Welcome to the crypt report. I'm your host Tyler and with me as always as the other half, not my better half the other half to read a man himself Mr James Cole. How's it going sir? Pretty good, the I don't know if I'm I. Don't know if I'm. With all my crip Tony Empowers I don't know if I'm. Up to the task of being your better half A. Journey Jews better than that better than me for this. You can do that. This. Just got really awkward. It's all good. Guys off and then there's the voice of Brian. What's up man. Hey guys what's up all right, so let's get into it. No hang no no beating around the Bush nothing. We got news. Hbo Max in Two Thousand Twenty one is releasing. What's now being called and I will refer to it from now on Zack Snyder's justice league. New Does no longer the Snyder. God It's now Zach Snyder. I feel good man like I. Have that like? Yesterday I watched the first two trailers again were con- sneak peak, and then the the first trailer when you could tell it was still Zach. Footage and everything and I don't know I just feel. I just feel good again like what? Are you boys feeling just overall general like. Well I mean I'm super, fricken excited. I mean this this here. Just just shows you that. The announcement of Zack Snyder's justice. League here now just shows you that. The saying you know one man's trash is another man's treasure. People out there are like already bashing Zach Snyder again because he's actually getting to finish the movie, and and in the series the The series of films that he began. He's actually getting the opportunity to complete it the way he would have completed which you know. As an artist. That's I mean somebody. Somebody tearing down what you did, and and literally using the bones of what you did to create something that they just I don't even know what they were intending. You know what I mean so. With what you're saying. I mean we just want to like. Can. I mean that's that's huge. I said this the Brian early and I've said it before, but. I. Don't blame Weedon for the justice the. Because everyone calls the because. There's all kinds of documented history about what happened, but basically we was hired to write pages. To oversee re-shoots basically ended up him. Then re shooting a majority of the film, and then kind of guiding impose production. And He was hired for a job. He ended up getting more done. And Justice League became another studio project. Was Being Shepherd and conducted by a studio more than a filmmaker. So. It became something I mean i. here's my thing and I is. The problem with this film. Is that we knew that so much more existed. You Know Justice League. We'd seen trailers with with footage that was not in the film. We had seen altered scenes in trailers that were different in the film. We had seen. Pictures and snippets and TV spots all with this footage in this images. That were not in the final film. So it was one of the things that we heard stories about what was filmed. What the heart of the story was going to be? And the actress talking about these scenes that were not part of the movie. So we knew so much existing. Than what we got and that's really what helped. Push this movement. was knowing there's more out there. Well just knowing that. So much. So much of what he did that was. That should have been there I mean it wasn't his film. I mean when you watch it. You, can you can? And when you watch it and you wanted a couple of times you can see the seems you know. Yes, you can see where they used the principal photography footage and then. Reshot so many of the close ups and certain groups, scenes and stuff to completely change the dialogue and change the narrative of the story. I mean it seems like all the results were done in like one sound stage with like one or two sets and a bunch of green screen because. I don't want to dive into all that because James and I covered that pretty well when we did our justice league was a two year. Look back or one year. Look back. It was a one year. One year after justice. We did a commentary track for yeah. Find that episode number but there. We talked a lot about that in there. I want to focus on the positive here. And That's that. Yeah, that's all that's all. That's all history now. Now now it's time to be positive and look look at. What we're actually going to get? We're actually going to get that stuff for the hatred. that. You know this is just coming about now. It's really great reports. Come out that. To actually have Zack Snyder's justice league. Happened in November when there was that huge twitter movement of Hashtags, re tweets and a push on social media for it actually began then. and has been. Third million, tweets. And Single Day. And I do want to throw this out there before we get into some deep discussion. I don't some people are going crazy about this I don't foresee. They're they've they're not saying. The actors are coming back for additional footage. They're saying some additional dialogue or AGR which is. Cleaning up lines adding some lines. But. They're not re shooting the actors. Well though that would have been, that would have been standard place. If he would have been on anyways. They do that post production period, but they ended up completely changing. It went with the post production. 'cause actually went into production. Saying all this because people are starting to run with their bag. Blah, blah, Blah's, but no, I. Don't see Ben. Affleck is bad anymore he he's done with Batman. You know this is like people now are like. Oh, working this now. Back as That's not going to happen. I. Don't see Zach finishing his. Five Movie Arc Because this Justice League is this justice shot? And that's another thing. He had to movies planned. And scrapped of part two and they've rotas. They convince the script wrote a script for one movie, and that's what we're going to see. Yeah I think people get confused about five movie Arc like the that was the ongoing thing before he quit like eggs I think that was the initial, but once they decided to change things come. The release of Batman Versus Superman and probably before, but once they come to change things at that point. It was no longer the five movie arc he had planned he. He envisioned a story that ended whereas the studio wanted a franchise they wanted to never in the. Universe basically and so I don't want to build off of what he started. You know I don't see them stepping back into Zach's plan. None of that I see this being kind of here. This is. And I. Don't see it affecting. Like I don't. This is not really to affect like I've seen people talk about well, which Justice League is Ken and now. I. Don't think it's really gonNA matter. Because I. Don't think they're gonNA. Touch back on the story threads enough to make us debate. You know wonder woman. Nine, hundred, ninety four is coming, and it's a prequel. Great. Aquaman is the only film that we have already that. I think may have something different ended about it because we know Volk, volk bulk is part of. Justice League. In mayor well, so other than that. You're not changing in the stories that we've already got. Yes, oh! My my idea, my thought about a is. What they in what they envisioned in Aikman was coming off of because it was already in production. was coming off of what Zach Snyder had done in the Justice League. The what they've done so far and they've only done alkyl. Manche Zam and birds of prey. What they've done so far does not stray from anything like I. Don't think that this exactly. It's not going to start something new and they're going to. They're going to switch paths again like bright. That's not that's not what this is. You know I believe that the course that they've that they've still taken. Was the course that they somewhat. Would was planning on going down. If even if Zack Snyder's justice league had come out. That it's not going to. It's going to be a different film, but it's not going to like reshape the universe, the only thing that's going to give us a lot more story, a lot more character, development and I mean. Hopefully it will give us an end to the new gods and A. If she still on that, because at the point at this moment she still is. Yeah. I heard anything otherwise So I just wanted to throw that out there because I think people are in a spiral, this and go crazy with some things and. But yeah. I am excited for this because I am, we'll get into that their characters that really. Were destroyed. And they need redemption, and we know so much was film. and. I'm happy because. It's been a movement since that movie came out. People are like this isn't the move we were promised. This is in the movie. We're being told that was coming. and. I know things that make me happy about. This is the fact that. Hbo Max made this possible. It's been said like they would have had trouble trying to get this released and they couldn't do it in a theater. But having the streaming services really helped make it possible. The fact that principal photography has done all it is post production, which a lot of that can be worked from home. They've talked about. It's given work to affects houses that. Don't have work right now is created. Some nothing was being filmed and. Nothing's being filmed and and. Being shipped to them to work on, so it's a perfect storm. For this to happen. and. I just I brought up the question today. was I wonder if Sonic? The hedgehog helped with this? Just because there was such a fan outcry for Sonic did change the look of Sonic, and then the fans won that battle and look what happened to that film. It was a huge hit. Me and the kids love it. I watched it again the other day with the kids and it probably would have had longer legs and theaters if everything went down. So and the fact that. If this movie comes out and it I told Brian this. For this one person that was hating so if this comes out guess what we have to bad justice league. Worst case scenario. But we have more footage. You know what and and You know no matter. No matter what it is, you know there's some people that just they just don't like Zach Snyder apparently. There are people out there who hate everything's Deck Snyder does, but they still watch everything he makes. So I don't know. What are you GonNa? Do Yeah So. I mean. If you know and you're expecting to hate it. Why are you leaving going to see it? But whatever you're you're. You're giving them money and that's. That's have nothing to say about that. Except for you know, thank you. But. We're going to beat it even if even if it doesn't. Even if it's not. Something great I already have a strong feeling. You know like Zach. Snyder I've liked everything. He's done I own everything he's done. Everything he's done is ahead of its time. Yeah, Joaquin, and now it's all good. A more of a masterpiece esque film, not saying it is, that's debatable. I'm saying you're seeing things where people are looking back that film and saying it was, it came out too soon. Yeah and people are still talking about Batman versus Superman four years later. You know they're not talking about some other movies. Four years four years later down the road. They're not talking about Oscar winners still today from four years ago. You know what I mean and I mean so. The thing is. I. The thing was there was such a studio backlash from Batman Versus Superman. That they got scared and there's a lot of business stuff that goes into I've read articles about the eighteen. t the Change Warner Brothers. Mandates. All kinds of stuff that just made that production horrible. And now it's like a time for the story to be redeemed and we're going to get into. We found that we have a unique way of discussing what Zack Snyder's justice league means each one of us. So, that's why haven't got into any details. But, it's just nice because. The other thing is going to be. So Snyder you know had five our assembly cut. If you don't that is, that's when you throw in everything everything you've shot so pacing zoff timing's off whatever and then he had a solid Ori. Boards are set in for Amick shot things. Early stuff for she's wire frame crap. Yeah, then. He got down to like a three hour forty five minute. This is my movie kind of thing. And he and then he's like well. The STUDIO WON'T RELEASE A. Three hour some minute movie, so then he got under like two thirty to forty five, and that was the cut the he screened. and. That's when they and then. You know there are still debating what to do because we I think. During this time they had re-cut. We released changed suicide squad, too, so that movie was affected as well, but just took the biggest hit. From all these changes and re edits and re shoots. You know not to jump the gun, but they're now you can see people now are more like all right. Let's get the haircut. A suicide suicide squad out there. That's a whole nother conversation. Yeah well. I mean. Apparently it would cost less to to complete because everything it was. It was done they all. Is, what is what came out in the theaters? Yeah, they didn't. Like this did they just edited out Brian? You're awfully quiet over there and James and I are talking. You gotTA. Jump on in here, man. Could. You. The the I'm really excited about the Snyder pet. When you're when you're a kid, and you get introduced to comics and you know and. Becomes a big part of your life does. You know there's certain. Soup. Gets you really excited? and. Growing up watching the Justice League cartoon. Super Friends. You get really excited like why ever seen these guys and live action I received movie like that. And then. You Know Marvel starts dropping all these movies, and you're starting to see the hall spider man. Stop and you're like really WANNA. See My justly people. have. You know what this means to me is. It's a redemption for. August when I talk about that yet, but but the main thing that has to be really excited is. You know I'm a huge greenland fan huge and. There's no fix. Two Thousand Eleven Brian Rails Green Lantern. So when that broke my heart. Punctured per justice league. Steel? Misty was awesome. Seeing Batman versus Superman and Ben Affleck Bam. Blown me away. You know you're so pumped movie and you see these trailers and you see Cyborg playing high school ball, and you're like okay. You know we're going to get the CYBORG sword and then. J. K. Simmons gets. CAST as Gordon, you're like holy crap. You know we're going to get a really good Gordon again and. then. Zach Snyder has a tragedy as family and he has to step down. And you get what we got with the crazy superman lip, and it's like nobody like it's like Warner brothers just didn't care. Like they just had to take whatever they guy had. Every asked, and they just didn't care. Either as a film Fan as as a Comic Book Fan. To, see Zach able to finish his work finally. It's huge. It's shoes redemption. It's a way for the man to be able to heal about losing his daughter. and. It's just shows got. Does that. Sometimes good things can come and dreams can't come true. There's there's a lot of my mind, but but. Just make this happen and we. We fans really did this and may happen it. Just it makes me feel great to be not only a DC comics fan, but just to be a movie. Fan In general. And, that's why I have to say for now. You know you say you say that like they don't care. I mean like it was obvious That they didn't care because they release such a subpar film. I mean even if even if say that was what they released, but if things came out more polished, you know. Terrible Effects Wise. Some story beats. Just they just they pushed it out. They didn't care about the characters. They didn't care about the product you know. Marvel. Created. This marvel's created this franchise because. The the at least the person behind it. You Know Kevin Fi and a number of others they care about the the care about the movies they care about the characters and they care about the plan. and. WHATEVER LANE ALL OF THOSE! Yeah, all of those movies early on they only made a few hundred million dollars a piece, so for people all movies like. So, for people to call movies like suicide, squad and Batman Versus Superman that made seven hundred plus and eight hundred plus million dollars a box office flop like. That is unreal that yeah, it's completely. That's completely false I mean. There are movies that would sell their souls to make five hundred million dollars in the theaters. Let alone seven and eight hundred million dollars in box office run. Like this, just an unreal thought that people would say that that is a box office failure. I mean? It's just something. Is Something Difference Dan? It's something different than the Margot's personnel. And when it's different, they're like. They didn't do it like Marlboros. or Whatever I mean in my opinion, you know they did a disservice to justice league. They did a disservice to the characters did a disservice to Zach Snyder and the entire crew that worked on those films I mean and if you WANNA. If you WANNA flip it over like in my opinion, they did a disservice to the civil war storyline with that movie. The storyline was much better in the comic books. The movie was good granted I'm not saying it wasn't good. It was a good movie. But I feel that they did a disservice to the story line I kind of feel in my opinion that maybe over there. They were like you know. Let's try and get some of these popular storylines in before the culmination of everything because we're not sure what's going to happen after you know the infinity Sagas over with. Right And and and the planet hulk storyline to like in in opinion, that was a huge disservice, so you know it happens on both sides of the street and I've seen all of the movies both sides as well so. All right, so we'll macbook fan. Let's break it down. And to talk about what this means from each have five things that we are excited and expecting to see you know from what we've battered and everything that we expect from Zach Snyder's justice, League. Okay so we're GONNA. Start with Brian. What's your number five? Man That had earlier. Can you. Can you stop everyone's James? What's your number five? So, my number five is Ray? Fisher and the cyborg storyline that was basically non existent for the most part in. The theatrical release Very little contentious. Very little contention between him and his father. The fact that he's. Like, literally connected to the mother boxes. And more of an origin I mean we get a tease of an origin in. In Batman, versus Superman and then we get. HOODIE CYBORG for the rest of the movie, Yes. And you know what's crazy. Is cyborg character? I like but not love. That the character when when I walked out of the theater I loved Ray Fisher Cyborg. He won me over like I. was I wanNA see more of this guy. And his first feature film he goes, he came from being a stage actor. He's a young man and a stage actor into his first feature film in Zach Snyder picture as cyborg like comic books are such this box office her box office. This blockbuster franchise thing for the last decade and You know he gets to play this role. And he just so great, and then everything he did was gone and reshot with a red light in a Hoodie. Yeah, I mean. We've gotten footage. There's been the altered seen of him standing at the broken window as full-on Cyborg. We've seen clips of him with a face mask. We've seen him save the police. AT THE SUPERMAN BATTLE We've seen him like clips of him playing football. Not to mention the still images of him and star labs. Saving you know his. His. Father is what we're led to believe so. And you know they said all along the cyber. We're supposed to be the heart of this film historic part of the through line. Up And that was completely gone. All Right Brian you ready with number five. Yes I'm I'm ready for my. So so take back on you. James. We saw the trailer for this movie. We did see a lot of. Fisher site work in a trailer. I expect more. I expect. Cyborg I. Expect him having the most saw. The more the harder the story I also expect seeing more of more flash. Iris. West is completely cut out the movie. Flach was really offer me in this movie. Tom I really. I really just I really didn't like this version of Flash. I kinda felt like. Spell like the movie. At Warner Brothers like did know who they wanted him to be. Like is the going to be knocked off a wildly while it lasts. We're just GONNA call Perry. Is You really bury play? My thing is if you watch, cut the flash almost, half. The flash just such a goofball. And you can having be goofy and energetic. Like. My Favorite Scene Ezra in that film is when he's talking to his dad and you can tell that. Is Snyder film footage? Of His dad talking. In jail. Because? It was real. And the weight on his way to tell what footage of Ezra is reshoot is his hair because he was working on fantastic beasts, and had that horrible haircut, and they try to fix his hair to match how it was when he shot. The original Justice League footage, so if you watch carefully watch his hair, it'll help you determine one. What was shot with him? And anytime he's being jokey or. Like. Like wide, eyed and weird, it's it's like reshot. On, there's the scene in the trailer where he smoothing fast, and he punched his pushes the Glass And we see the glass shatter, and there's the white lightning blue lightning around him not in the film Thursday quick shot of him like stepping out of the thing like putting his hands. He's intellect stretching prey. Not In the film. There's the we've seen. At least I, you guys have seen the teaser shy Anna Maddix of him saving Irish West like in the car. The kind of like blows up and her flying out of it. That's like you said she was completely out of this movie. And may not to jump pasture your number five. Business, we're talking about the flash I mean that's my number four. Is. Flash. Being more confident and more competent I. Mean I know I spoke about it back in our early justice talks after the film came out about how I love how his version. Because his brain move so fast how he absorbs information How why in his apartment? He's got thirty TV's playing different stuff why they're stacks of books all over the place because his brain is in super speed and he's just. He's absorbing everything because he can absorb at such A. Such a rapid rate. Exactly. And what I was GONNA say. I don't mind that. He has the ark of him being the youngest member and like learning to be a hero kind of like watching Batman. Wonder woman and stuff, but also let's take one step back and just. The scene of him in Suicide Squad was filmed by Zach. Think it sure was so think about how he came in stop Captain Boomerang and just like the confidence. He kind of had that a little bit and then. How you? Kinda was wobbly. Like just I mean how many times a heat trip and fall. So. Okay Yeah. People run away. You know all scared and stuff and I don't I. Don't mind. They scared because he. He's learning. But you've got to give him an art to complete. Because go back and watch justice theatrical. He doesn't really do. Anything doesn't add to anything. And it's sad for such a great character and ego back Louis Superman. From you go back to his cameo in Batman versus Superman the the the security footage at the carry out at at the corner store. You know I mean broad daylight in the middle of the place. No costume on. He drops the mill long hair he lets go of the milk runs across and. Probably touch this dude and sends them flying, but goes back grabs his milk and walks off nonchalantly, not a change in his face, not like anything even happened. I mean that's not the same character. Yeah exactly. It was like we saw four different flashes. Sweet saw. We saw. The suicide squad or I'm sorry. We saw the Batman versus Superman in a little clip at the grocery store. FLASH THE REAL CONFIDENT ONE. We saw the nightmare seeing which I will talk about later We're you know we saw the suicide squad flash? So it's a very confident kind of mixed in with the The grocery store you know then we saw this washing justice league. Who the heck is. Like. So. Like. Back Background Arrow right like no confidence, not sure who he is like reluctant to save people like why was he? Why was he reluctant to save at that family and Justice League when he had no problems? You know stopping somebody Robin Stork. Doc, and that bothers me. 'cause I love Lashin so my number five the history lesson. That's what I want to see. and. By number. This number order is not a preference of like most or anything. It's just five things rope. Actually get to pick out Zeus Hades, there's. Art Amiss there's. Aries Erie's were all in there. Are we gonNA actually get to see that Green Lantern Dumol. Yes! Seeing as the history of come Rodman right, and since history lessons going to have robin rewrite and. It's supposed to have Assad. And decide and that's where I'm okay. So this kind of ties into probably one of ours on our list, but that's where we're going to see dark side. Dark side and step wolf. We'll see dark side there. I WANNA. See that history that we are promised about. Let the Lord of the Rings esque opening. Where we actually see men. and Atlanta. And fighting together, and then we see later when the men bury. The mother box. You know. They talk about it like there's. It's very choppy in the film. I want to see this big history lesson that we are promised. This epic opening battle. And what they say it's supposed to. Be The history lesson is supposed to be like twenty minutes long. It was supposed to be kind. Of like, is that what it was? Something because it was supposed to be like that, because it was supposed to be comparable to like the opening of the lower the rates where we see the armies and everything was supposed to be very. Epic like that. Yeah! and. About the history, my main thing on that is is accessed. Yes is getting to see young dark side. Trying to take over the world. So we'll spin it back to James Number, four. Well my number four was the flash so. We kind of already had our. In their number four for Brian. All right number four for me. When Car Commissioner Gordon. Yeah, we had we, we had a great amazing actor. Be Cast Gordon, and they did nothing with him. I I always saw that rooftop scene that was. Definitely edited. Thank you, why would you? Why would you cover teen of sue of Batman Standing on the Garg Oil with the fricken light in the sky, and the clouds and stuff looking awesome to a scene with frickin plastic tarp, blowing in the wind and blocking him. But. was an ignorant seem to reshoot. where? There's a toll on other. Spend the face. It felt like okay. It felt like they were like Oh. They've seen these two seconds of footage on a TV spot or in. Cut Out of the movie because they've already seen it, so we can shorten the movie. Save I. Live Better, so I agree borden. We've seen like one or two behind the scenes type shots of some other stuff with him. Like just on the Russo actually making him more than important paired. I don't C. J. K. Simmons Sunny for Cameo? And we got this. And he posted that shot of him working out in the gym being. Like. I mean sure. Maybe he's in shape, but it was specifically for Justice League they were specifically saying something about Him Being Commissioner Gordon he was getting in some rip shape to commissioner Gordon like it wasn't just stand there in a trench coat in the rain and and. Deliver me lines dialogue everybody. Clare Fischer got like really pumped ripped a place. I've work. Most of his stuff is Mojo cap suit. You know what I'm saying like. Right tells you some dedication of these actors. What they go through all right so my number five. Number, four number four my bed. One. Ready to words, one name death stroke. We're going to get the official de Strokes the one that breaks. Luthor out of Arkham and we'll get the contracts. Are we going to get to see Joe? Manganiello kill some guards as death stroke dexterous. My number three so could call. I mean just he'd looked perfect. He looked amazing as death stroke, and the fact that he was just a wink kind of cameo at the end of the film. And the fact that we were told we were going to be the scene with him. Breaks my heart, so not even like I don I nine like a huge Lake district Fan just like it was filmed her shows up cool. You know that's a that's a good villain to have and we're going to get. District so I'm. I'm excited all right. James Number three. So my number three is the history lesson. I WANNA see. You know I want to see. Diana Learning about it you know from. From the ancient pictographs. Carved and things like that You know I wanNA, see the I want to see the battle with like the green lantern, and the new gods and the three. The three races of of people's on earth. Fighting back. Like. I mean that's I. I was in. That part of the movie. From the moment I seen it in the trailers. And and you know getting getting in top. Ip Back. In that I was like. Oh, she's going to be awesome like I was like. She's great in frigging wonder woman like. Under, a different director. You know like she's going to be, too. She's GonNa. Be Wild Zach Snyder. In this war scene like this is going to be awesome. So a handful of things in that scene alone and yeah, I was like. That was A. As much in this film. That was a huge tragedy. Of, Getting A. What was it a forty five second? Explanation and Vision timing. The, yeah, the people who trained the picture that that had gone around the people who trained. To be the guy who played Zeus. The woman who played? The Guy. Who was deep body? For Aries? And the guy who played Haiti's yeah like. They've got. They got all these people who are in incredible shape. To do this massive shot and tons of CGI to do this incredible. History lesson this incredible. Battle for the planet. In ancient times and You know. We get forty five seconds voiceover. Sadly yes! Okay so Brian. What's your number three? Number three was stroke. When Joe was cast as He was so excited about it. being being firm in Pittsburgh my hometown jobs from there to in a he. Interviews, and there's a lot of papers. Just how excited about it? He was to play that character to work with band. And, there's a lot of Ben's Batman movie was GonNa. Be Like Kim versus death. Stroke and Joe is so excited that role And there's so much stuff on twitter. Odd before he was announced as planum him reading like death stroke, com expert Judas Contracts Joe. It was just such a nerve gas. Joe Is just. By. Joe Joe is just While kids threw me off or Joe Is such a Geek like us. You know and he's really passionate about comic books, and just to be able to see him and. I would. guys years ago. You know if marvel is going to build a universe. Mostly on their heroes DC has. Waiver DC has been villains. Short short, but if we're going to be building a legion of doom. Dang, yes, I mean. greatly own data that Senate Dan. I wanted I wanted to see Joe gesture advanced. Power I want to see him come. I agree. All right so my number three. Authors out there because we don't have A. Dark side. All. My prediction will see a young dark side in the history lesson. Maybe when James when he's ups, or however you pronounce it before he's officially side and then. And then I think. We'll you will see him again. It's supposed to be him that kills. Steppenwolf. So. I think we'll see him. In those two places for sure because we know, we have that picture of all the justices. It's supposed to be looking up. They're looking up through the boom tube and see him and reporter officially tweeted out today. We, re tweeted it that He. was able to confirm that yes. He played dark side in Zack. Snyder's justice leak. My. My. Thought and this is an extra one. Sure. My thought and my hope. To See. Is I don't? Talk to look through it I. Don't think that the vertical boom to that we got was. I don't think it makes sense and and I don't. Know. You're saying being reminded me. Of like the Rainbow Braid. Because, we're supposed to open sideways. That's. Literally, like. They're literally like a portal it literally bus open a whole here and bus open a hole there and you step through an instantaneously. You're from one place to another. So I agree you know I mean. They've said that. They look up and see dark side. I. Mean you look up into a Porto like? Are you looking sh? In Cylinder Tube and you can see dark side and the other side, or are you looking up at this? Goal or looking at the? Tall. Bean. Yeah Like like. How like exactly are you looking straight up through the cylindrical tubes that supposedly? It doesn't seem right. You know it's. It it's not. It's not like it's not like a travel. It's not like a travel bridge you know. It's all earliest. Time? It it's instantaneous from one spot to another. It's just a whole up through. So yeah. I mean the way that it looked. It looked cool, but using turn that crap sideways. All Right Jane. Some expanse on the nightmare scene from Batman versus Superman. It's. You. Don't my ideas. It's kind of. It can seem out of place You know he had an idea for where the story was going to go and. Whether that story is still there or not. I mean I still believe even if he changed the IDs somewhat that there would be a payoff to the nightmare scene. You know what I mean I. Don't I agree to so that way. It didn't seem out of place. Because I feel like I thought the nightmare thing with lead more into like part of Justice League part to. From what we've heard about. The original story was going to be still think Zach could do something that makes it feel A. In place, so I would like to see something more that because as the movie stand right now. That is such a weird. Moment, so right so kind of my they might be. No not in the theatrical kind of my idea. Is Bat maybe the. which is kind of dipping into my my next one? Let's go ahead and I'll expand on when we got there. And then we'll finish up. Okay well, my number one is is. Superman. His resurrection and him coming. From a place of. Confusion and anger. At the point at his time of Resurrection. The scenes in the park that we didn't get to see a cyborg saving the police officers. Some of those army vehicles being destroyed and things like that. So, I think that the nightmare scene. Maybe if plans changed and he wasn't going to have a justice league part to and stuff that may be the nightmare scene. was. Or maybe like Batman took it. Premonition wise for how Superman returns to life. you know. Fearing. That he's not the same person who who died that when he comes back, and he's confused and angry and fighting against them, that may be his nightmare. Vision has or is coming to fruition. Know all right I guess to Kinda tied together. Who Brian? What's your number two and number one? Number two number twos at nightmare scene man like. How you have seen seen that big, and then you hop in the Justice League Obama's like. Pay Flash. You know I'm just meeting for the first time. I. Never saw before you don't look familiar. I. Don't know anything about future. Whatever like they don't address it all that let's as it drives me insane and I know Zach. Zach would've followed up with that. That would have been part of it I. Never Want my number one. And number two flows into Darci, too, because you know they're that. Big, assemble whatever. Number. One thing is On Green Lantern Thank. You I've been waiting for you to bring that up the entire. Knew that was going to be. Is Number One? So. Greenland's my board can. We get this little tiny tease. Of Green lantern in that big battle. And that's it so we get And there's no. There's no like there's new talk on the Amazon's about hey. There's this. There's a spacecraft place. There's a bunch of space cops out there and other. There's nothing out there. And I heard her her I. Read It I. Don't know if it was true or not Maybe you guys can clarify for me, but was there a post credits scene that was going to be bruce in his bed. Yes, and. Killagane and tolerate. Tomor. where? I don't have that was gonNA. Be a postcard seem to lead into part to, but yeah. That was supposed to be a post credits scene and I. Don't know if it was ever filmed, but then there's that actor that was supposed to be how Jordan and there's like A. There's a scene with him. That was supposed to be like. How so green lantern being? Expanded upon in some form is a definite. For this? So my number two. and. What is you say I don't mean cutting your wasn't there like on Internet movie database or something? Wasn't there? The what you just said wasn't there like some dude that was like. Casting. Like pilot or skiing or or air force pilots, and that's it. That's all it said. and. It was kind of like. He's like Oh. My Gosh is this dude? How does a student supposed to be? How something like that? I think there was confirmation at this guy was supposed to have been how Jordan. It was kind of one of those like it was confirmed, but never confirmed because they couldn't actually say it Kinda like reporter as dark side like it was confirmed, but he can never actually. Announced, say hey. I was because of just. Everything. So vhs. Give me something. So my number. Two is gonNA. Be a VAALCO. And just the Atlantic story line that. He filmed scenes. You know. VAALCO? was supposed to be in Justice League. Hell and kind of bridge more of that character and I guess Volkov, Mirror, so just the Atlanta and storyline line with Arthur. That was kind of departed from this film. Because we were, we had that shot of Mir. That's supposed to be an. She's in Iceland and. She comes to him. and. We've seen some alternate scenes of of Aquaman in that. Setting compared to what we got film. So. Just that maintain storyline. And my number one is just some quick things I'm going to say that are nothing I got. Four things left on my list here. They're just real quick nothing really but like the correct steppenwolf. Superman during the proposal correctly. We got keys in the trailer. Superman in the black costume. And then how they pull off Martian manhunter. and. Those are my watch. Everything on both of our lists and all of your added stuff. All of it I want all like. There's the there's the talk. is going to as they're going to be a four hour movie. Is it going to be a six part series on Hbo Max? I mean either one I want it six part series. If it's six hours long, I wanted more because I want more even if it's all forty wars. You know so even if it's like six forty five minute forty minute episodes. And it's five hours long. So. I don't Care Gimme a whole Nitty Kimmy was. Wanted to give us, and I don't like you know because if they do a TV series, they can add extra scenes. Slow the pacing, because then it's pace to be a mini series compared to a faster film. See and that's the thing to you know. Films. Films Do. Films do have pacing. Some people want it to. beat to beat to beat to be you know. A little ebb and flow kind of grows up and comes back down just a little bit, and then it goes right back up, you know. How many great movies out there are two and a half three hours three and a half hours long. You know even some that are four hours long. How many great films out there are just so long you know what I mean. That that are considered classics I mean. Pretending. Panic. Avatar. Godfather! Three hours. I mean even the you know, and even in John Laura the dark knight rises which was closer to three hours. You know what I mean. Like. and then and then the very year. Infinity work comes out. And then the next year after that end games comes out, you know we have these movies that have done great and their two plus three three plus hours long and you know they're great. They've done great. You know when you actually. Build a story and you have compelling characters and things like that like. That doesn't seem like such a commitment that amount of time you know because it goes by, and you're engaged, you know, and when when you when you put out a movie like they did, and there's like there's no character development you know there's nearly no introduction to these brand new characters. You just drop them in and push the story along to fit a specific time. You know you wonder why? Why so many of the reasons why? That movie! Did bomb I mean. I mean. There's no wonder why I mean you know it's. No wonder why it bombed because it just. They eliminated everything that would have engaged people. I mean. It was quick. It was still it was alright. I've revisited it. Yeah I mean it's. It's not a bad movie. It has its ups. It has its down, but it's not what we were promised, and it's not what we were told, and shown to great I mean it was. It was a miracle. It was as cohesive as it was. You know building off of the footage Zach shot the re-shoots to build a whole new narrative, and then editing him together like miracle. It was as cohesive as it was. So. It was and I mean it's just one of those. It's not a horrible movie and I said this that. It couldn't it being at the the theatrical cut is the one that like you can like. Let Kids Watch. You know it'd be more kid friendly and I hate using that term because people always taking kid-friendly something stupid, but my kids enjoy watching Justice Asli. The Snyder a justice league that'd be something. They enjoy much, and that's okay, because now I have two different versions. I know once in a while I'll revisit. The theatrical cut, but I know more often than not One way or another physical or Hbo Max down the line. I will be rewatching Zack. Snyder's Justice League countless times. All right boy, I think we. We've kind of talked to death here. But I think there'll be more discussions as time comes what we think, but it's just exciting that it's happening. And I'm excited. Bitten Sky

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The Cave Susan Eisenberg

The Cave - A DC Universe Podcast

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The Cave Susan Eisenberg

"Hi I'm Tim. Daly the voice of Superman, and you're about to get a sneak peek of Justice League doom right here on sci-fi talk. Justice League. Doom is basically Batmans contingency plan for the Justice League, taking to a nightmarish level and other words someone takes, steals Batmans plan, and then put into effect, but beyond what? What Batman had anticipated. They all to some degree all the justice leaguers get tortured in way. Because Batman knows them all very well, and so he has his contingency plan to make sure that somebody's checking on them. Somebody's watching that they're going to stay on the straight narrow path, and when it gets in the wrong hands, and somebody takes advantage of these weaknesses it's. It's bad news for the Justice League. And? Tell you what happens next because you have to watch the video? I love the scenes with John because there's a tenderness to to her and an. And their affection for each other, and they're sweet, and they speak the same language, and they both have come from these other places, and they've come to this league. This is going back a while, and there's I've always felt that. There's been a very strong connection between those two characters. Look, I've always said I like the tender scenes. The quieter scenes end. They bring that out in each other very much, and she can talk to him and it's real straight. It's just two people who know each other talking. Love that.

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The Cave Nathan Fillion On JLADoom

The Cave - A DC Universe Podcast

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The Cave Nathan Fillion On JLADoom

"Hi I'm Tim Daly, the Voice of Superman, and you're about to get a sneak peek of Justice League doom. Right here on sci-fi top I kinda like to live in the moment. You know what you suspend reality for just a second. You can kind of you know green looks like you know. What situations are you know? The character's surround them, so you Kinda just I. I like to kind of live in that moment for just a half a second. I'm on there and then. It makes me. That's just I think I think you can hear smile I. Think can hear it when you're listening to radio. You know of them smiling. I'm a fan like anyone else's anyone also. Fan of the genre I'm a fan I. Am Very fortunate in that I now I have a piece. Now. I have a piece of that forever. I will have this piece of green lantern I s yeah. He voiced green lantern back in back in the day when they were still doing it. You know on TV's and not holograms. They'll still I'll always have chunk. That's nice. It's nice to be a fan. Own a piece. I was in comics. I was into them, and we'd take turns having who gets that comparable Grech in their room. My brother would go back and forth. And then eventually my brother, a little older I started collecting. Cardboard and plastic covers and. Proper collecting and then you got to say okay. We're GONNA. Do spend my money on comics starting at real expensive. Comics or, girls connex girls.

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#153 DC Animated films continuity

Krypton Report: The Supergirl Podcast

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#153 DC Animated films continuity

"As a sip of what? This is Jason J. Louis. The Voice of Superman on Justice League actions wave and while you're listening to the Krypton reports and you're listening to all things for Tony and Fahd casting superman and supergirl. We discussed game cartoonist. Shows and find us on facebook. Youtube and twitter. Everybody just letting you know. This episode is actually split into two parts because it was so long and we figured it gives you a better chance to enjoy welcome to the crypt on report. It is I self tyler. The Superman of blue I am here with my esteemed colleague in man of many talents James. The Superman of red present and accounted for and this is going to be a long haul so we have a call in the Batman brister. Brian Peters Hillary Brian Polo boys and girls boys and girls look into the neighborhood. Hey all you cats kids so today so for like two years. Now James and I have wanted to maybe even longer do justly wore as a review and we just couldn't find the time on schedule and with the upcoming release of Justice League dark apocalypse war which is a mouthful to say. We have decided to look. I think you said it wrong. It's Justice League dark suit pacalypse. Were they say you said Justice League dark apocalypse? You're just just leave just just the Arctic justly apocalypse work. There you go. I think you put a pause. You put a pause between justice. League dark so sounded like subtitle was dark. Apocalypse or making colors were right. Maybe maybe he's given a William Shatner Review. That would take up tuchus. The rumor on the street is that apocalypse. War is the culmination of the continuity interconnected animated film universe. We don't have confirmation but I've read it a couple of places and it definitely feels like it's building to be that type of event so what we've decided to do is we've gone back and watched all fourteen films with apocalypse. War being technically number fifteen which doesn't release it hits digital on the fifth and physical on the twenty-first so what we've done is we've reviewed these films we've watched these films and we're going to talk a little bit about them and how they play into the overall connect story now. I'm GonNa give you guys a quick rundown if you're like what films are we talking about? Well here we go. Justice League flashpoint Justice League war. Technically it's just the flashpoint paradox. Justice League war son of Batman. Justice League thrones of Atlantis Batman Versus Robin Batman bad blood justice league versus teen Titans Justice League Dark Teen Titans Judas Contract Suicide Squad hell to pay death of superman reign of the Superman Batman. Hush and wonderwoman bloodline. It's all right now fellas some quick back before we get into us. Is THAT JUSTICE. League flashpoint ties into this. We won't spend a whole lot of time on that film because it really much like the book is the last section of that film that really plays the most part but the voice cast is completely different for flashpoint and we won't dig into it too much but just something to be to be noted Because there's only one care to the matters we'll get there but yeah it's kind of like the end of the end of the stuff that came before in the beginning of the new continuity because the content basically was like using the new fifty two the new fifty two launched in two thousand eleven and this film series launch basically at the end of two thousand thirteen jet right after right after Bruce Timm Sept- out pretty much. So are we ready boys? Now have you before we get started wearing? Do that. A little bit different. I want you to name your number one and your least favorite film. I tried to rank them all but I. I figured it was too hard this many movies. It was really difficult to wrinkle mall so quick sale. Your favorite is and your least favorite. Right we're start with Brian. Go favorite man. This was really hard. I really like a lot of Okay my least favourite was bad. Bloods okay my my favorite's kind of torn between Justice League War and Judas contract. I can't go back and forth here okay. I'm probably going to have to probably GONNA have to say Jesus contracts say that Judas contract is the better moving. That's that's for sure between those James. What's your favorite? My favorite is the death of Superman And I mean I really don't have I mean I guess I do have a least favorite Which might it might have to be stretch of Batman so my favorite is death of Superman. My least favorite is one bloodlines. And they're all marginal like things we'll get into it. I wanted to do this up front. I so as we get into the discussions we can kind of pinpoint things. I will say that when originally trying to rank them Justice League war was high but a lot of them are really. There's certain things I didn't like about Justice League War As much as I really thrived and the other one one being the Justice League war has a voice cast a majority of the cast is changed out by the second film are Superman. But are superman wonder woman and how Jordan all change by the next film which is interesting. Yeah Alan Dick is superman which I mean. He did a good job but Don't usually he usually doesn't Play play a role quite like Superman. He's he's definitely a lot more flamboyant allow the Harley Quinn animated series joker face and it's number of others on patrol and Mr Nobody ending patrol and then we have Michelle Monaghan wonder woman which I liked. And then we had some not super familiar with as green lantern was just in. Kirk but of course he was replaced by Nathan Fillion who had previously voiced lantern in the Emerald Knights and also Zillion Philly and as a superior choice. Yes he is for sure so we also had the difference in Steven Blom dark side. We'll get there and there's a lot of little ones that change like supporting characters like dark side. You're absolutely right Steven. Blum of dark side and this and he shows up again. He's Tony Todd. Candyman himself in this when we also have hold on semi notes Steve Trevor Trevor. We have George New Bern who was actually in war in thrones of Atlantis. But it's replaced by the time we get the bloodlines. So a lot of these characters are in the early and I'm talking about a demotion from Superman to Steve. Trevor I mean yeah but we're GONNA get into okay so kicking off the beginning of our conversation. We have two thousand and Thirteen Justice League. Flashpoint PARADOX WHICH. I didn't put a lot of notes in here but this film the animation is different. Okay it's not the enemy that will come to know as the continuity but the third act of the film when Berry when Bruce Kills Thown. Barry runs back in time when he gets back burst the new fifty two just like in the comic which brings us the Justice League War Justice League war being based off the Geoff. Johns Jim Lean Justice League origin. From the fifty. Yes I trade. The first six issues of Justice League new fifty two was just through working on two thousand twenty fourteen and some of my notes here state that we actually in star labs we meet Dr t o Morrow. If you guys caught that Dan we get the dark side is extremely a massive figure. Like just like in the in. The in. The book like he is huge. He is a behemoth bigger. But this is like ethically scaled dark side. We meet we have all the same kids and their one and only appearance. Just the foster family. Unfortunately the the whole team like much like in the new fifty two book James. You're re breeding fifty-two Superman and I've started me reading new fifty-two Superman and stuff. There is a lot of anx element more anger and aggression. Well the the new fifty two superman as you know plan on discussing With Connor over there on the last sons He he comes up a little differently. You know his parents die while he's in Highschool. Both of them do so. He's kind of on his own When he's coming up and The the world is the world's different in the new fifty two as a superman in Superman. Lois and Clark points out that the world they live in is different. It's more like fearful and more cynical and untrusting of its heroes. I would say that all plays a part. I would say the Superman in the new fifty two isn't a whole person like something's missing or part of him as missing kind of makes you think about Superman. You know two parts of Superman like Red And blue coming together or you know being born but just looking at view all that is in this movie. No it's a little bit more I wanna say like PG thirteen. I want to say I have to look back at all of them but this is when they're getting more into the PG thirteen animated films. I'm trying to look real quick now. The other ones were already. Pg thirteen this one just feels like it earns its PG thirteen. Because I'm looking at some here some more. Pg which are we talking war or are we talking flashpoint paradox at this point right now where we left the flash paradox. Okay because we we don't okay. We only touched on it so there is a left. There is a remark. It's confusing okay. Now hold this in your mind. There is a line about five years in stated injustice Lee War. There is a reference to five years there ancestor. This is where it gets a little confusing well because because in the beginning of Justice League in the new fifty two that takes place about five years after the emergence of of like the superheroes They kind of they kind of in the new fifty two a lot of them kind of come out around the same time. Yeah the Justice League origins actually takes place five years in so even though it's you know it starts at one and it was at the same time the beginning of everything else. It actually takes place in the future beyond all of them at least for time right. But I'm just saying we're looking at the continuity of these films because they start with the idea of of new to you but then they start branching but he's an old stories but that five year mark is important. We get to the last film in the series which I think is great. Well yeah which I think is great the way that they may have Pulled in these stories as they created a new fifty two universe but be universe. Encapsulates the entire history of of these see They're able to build on what they have like. At the beginning the new fifty to continue the stories and adapt them to fit their film universe. And I think they've done a wonderful job. I Agree Brian. What do you what do you have to say about Justice League war off quiet over there? Well I mean I like the whole justly come together I mean I would have kind of rather had offerman included in this clicky. Wasn't the comic. I thought off them with flip the sharks and it was pretty sweet but I really did. I didn't enjoy having Suzanne here I think Suzanne gets overlooked so much as Justice League member and what he can do and I think having the perspective of child kind of learning from these heroes is pretty darn sweet and it. Kinda makes look forward to if they ever do another Justice League movie and having xactly lies in part of the team but I did feel that dark side was way too massive. That's how it was pretty crazy but I I like that. They incorporate a lot of legit John's Jim Lee put together about this Schema. The seem coming together and being able to work together and that mankind of being the leader and making the sacrifice to go into the pot lifts and get Superman. I just a great story of being it is. It is pretty close. Adaption of of that origin comment And it sets the stage for everything Flash point at flashpoint though you kinda and also kind of problem with war is it is. It starts a lot of continuity issues which we'll get to later when we talked about lives when we talked about Jews contract by now wants because he's awesome so I think they may well years ago when this came out like I talked to heath course and I tweeted him and stuff the writer and he was on a panel on the noticed writers panel. Podcast or something like that. That what happened was when they started writing. Justice League war at the time is when there was issues with the Schuster a state and they thought the potential that warm weather could lose the use of Superman so they started writing and working on this script and designing it in putting this movie together with the idea that there might not be a superman in the film and that she would have to be kind of take. That part that Superman would have played of course that that worked out. But they'd already done so much work incorporating sham that they left him in. Which like you guys. I would've liked to seen aquaman but think what they ended up doing makes a better story. I was GONNA say the same thing I They made the right call. I'm holding back for the throne of Atlantis. They they use that shot of. Try It in and the sharks coming out of the water in throne of Atlantis. They made the right call on holding him until that movie because it is his story so to give him that origin story in that film and not have him be a part of this It's definitely the right call and it it would fit to build the universe Yeah There's a lot of things that I liked about. War The is really close to the comic books. green lantern and Batman in Gotham Batman Stealing Hal Jordan's ring off of his hand. the battle between Superman and green lantern Try The the ice cream scene with wonder woman fight between them. Jason Oh Mara is damn good is Batman. Wonder woman is animated. I think he's just become a staple character. I was watching DC Superhero. Girls was sailor and they played off that so. Yeah it's just a new like that is now. I wonder woman staple right Yes they do. Shimomura CYBORG. He's Great Little D. C. Pedigree with birds of prey the television show He's awesome cyborg. I love the way that Cyborg Evolves in this he's Harry like Frankenstein and like how the premier theus the Prometheus Nights and stuff for whatever they they they they take the the containment unit that he's in and like four and forge it and transform it into his His cyborg body and yeah he's huge and massive and then throughout the film he evolves and he becomes more streamline an I love it I mean I I so it's. It's got one of my favorite scenes that I so wanted in the Justice League movie. Where a big explosion happens. And the flash ZIPS AND HIDES BEHIND SUPERMAN. I could've so seen for Ezra Miller do that. Tannery cavill wanted that. I expected that honestly and I didn't get it. There wasn't there was a lot we didn't get but still so and I think you know will this. There's a lot of things they use from this film as they build the universe like I believe. I believe that I mentioned it and I think that's how it was done was superman being captured by the Pera Demons and being on apocalypse and being transformed or whatever I think is how dark side created doomsday for the death of superman boom nine fake exactly so I think that stems frogs of us a lot of sense of so glad you said that thank you yeah all right. I think I'm done. There's I mean there's something else you know. There's I mean you get Batman stealing the ring and this from Hal Jordan. You get a call back to that in. Justice League dark when he steals the ring from John Stewart when he's being possessed and controlled by destiny. Yes you stops him from. Yes stops him from being able to use his ring by snatching it off his finger to. Batmans such g alright so the might be more stuff that comes up but we'll keep moving on. We have a lot of things to touch it. It's a full on review of every film. It's just kind of talking about the you know the universe as a whole so. The next film is two thousand. Fourteen son of Batman which is based off the grant Morrison Book Batman and son. Now I will say well. I find interesting is even though out of the continuity that Batman gets a quote unquote solo movies. He never gets a solo movie. Like when it's a Batman fell. You always have night wing and you have robin or night. Wing and another member of the family like Batman never gets a straight on solo adventure in out of all these the one who gets a solo adventure as wonder woman interesting. So this film Batman and son. We need certain Batman. That's why I have Jose Batman and John is the name of the book we get a quick. Oh I thought it was. Last was Justice League Dark Batman this Burn Justice League post credit soon warm rising to sing all the dead fish and stating that the king is dead so we get a post credits scene with warm injustice war because in son of Batman there is no post credit scene. Now but that's really cool. They have a really really cool. Little little Tease of the fight between night wing and Damian during the credit that scene. Though you don't get to see that fight in the movie but they give you a little bit of it during in flashes during the credit sequence in this film so to me Talia Raza. Who gets killed? So there's a Batman Main Batman villain dead talion. We get killer CROC man bat. We get a JOKE ORTIZ. To face tease. We meet Gordon Stroke is the main villain of this film. We also this is the where we get to me Damien. And I'll say that Damian has probably one of the best arcs in probably the strongest arc even out of all the continuity films. Oh holy crap back. I'm on a I'm on a winky. I'm on the WIKIPEDIA page and I didn't realize is Thomas Ellis Gibson The Voice of Death Stroke Innis. And that's the dude from Darpa was Dharma and Greg and and criminal minds. Yes I had no idea I was like I knew is voice sounded familiar. But that's not a voice he ever uses either no. It's still being an live action every time I I look at the fats him because later when district reappears voiced by Miguel. Ferrer a so much better. I like I like Thomas Gibson but Miguel Ferrer. Its toll much better. Which Miguel Ferrer has pedigree being the voice of Aqua in the one episode? Aquaman appears in Superman. The animated series. And he he's Vanda. He's vandal savage and young justice. He's vandal savage and young justice. He's also the villain in the unjustly pilot from the late nineties. Really and here's a side note about him. That blew my mind. I don't know if either of you guys are like. I love old movies and when my favorite movie that Christmas is White Christmas and if he wants familiar with that film it has Rosemary Clooney in it rosemary. Clooney of course is the aunt to George Clooney but Miguel Ferrara's Rosemary Clooney son and that like blew my mom I was like Oh did none of it. I was like oh I stumbled upon that this year and I was like. Oh my gosh it. Just it kind of dislike and we like to extend our condolences. His Miguel refer just recently passed in the past. Couple years so We Got Sean Sean Mayor as night wing in this Firefly and serenity. He also was on the air over. She was on an Arrow as Akram episode. Yeah but he wasn't even really mom God I now. It's bugging me who he played. Marina BACK GRIN is tally Al Ghul from firefly and later was also from firefly would be in Gotham. Got Them Pools and Leslie. Thompkins still makes no sense right. But so Damian has basically a five film arc if you think about it and that means he has more of a story arc than anybody else in these continuity films. Just think about that and it's the same kid who's played him the entire time. I wonder if he's actually playing him in in Apocalypse wars well. I'm pretty sure he is Stuart Allen. I'm free I I'll take aging up. Just keep the same actor right. He's the reason on it. I mean his Damian is the reason that this is probably my least favourite film just because I want to choke the hell out of that little kid yes like. He is so insufferable such a spoiled little Brat and it carries through son of Batman Batman versus Robin And and it's led up actually a little bit in bad blood but then it's right back again in justice league versus Teen Titans but his thing is why like Damian like because Oh yeah I mean I think he. I think he's great as him. Because he's such an insufferable little bastard when you are that's why I love them now. One of the biggest things I want to point out about this film. Is We meet Talia in this movie. And she's completely different the next time we meet her and what I have in my notes is tie you get shy. And pretty much almost dies and goes into the Lazarus pit so when she returns next from the Lazarus pit or when she returns next. I'm trying to figure out why she's basically evil when she comes back. I'm saying because the Lazarus pit because dude drives people in science and I do want to put up cross team in. This film is a little bit more blue. It's a little bit more. Blue is the black and the gray that we had in war. You know you say you. Speaking of Talia and Batman It's very interesting how Because from my understanding The the incident that creates Damian Their Romantic entanglements in the original story. From what I understand. It was more of a romantic consensual thing. From Grant Morrison's story Batman and son which I have heard recently is that he misinterpreted and went off of memory to write the story where he where Batman was drugged and he gave in because he was drugged I like in this movie. Where actually combine the two where Batman has love for Talia? But she also Influenced tim like drug tim and influenced him to to have their their entanglement so post crisis so post-crisis there is a story Kinda right around when Jason. Todd is about to come in as called Bertha demand And I think it was originally published as actually a legend story But it's hawks about the possibility of Batman and Talia Kinda have romance in having a kid But it wasn't considered originally as Canon. If I remember right it was called Bertha Demon And then eventually grant. Morrison goes back to that story when he does his Batman Son Arc and he's like you know what we're just going to give Batman Kid and he pulls that story from the mid eighties as just works off of it and builds off of it and they're an Raza goals once in of bands to replace him and be a successor and his respect for Batman. And that's why calls detective and yeah. Yeah that that's kind were Batman and son came from barring off. That story called birth even and grant Morrison one of the writers. You basically says everything counts everything matters and yeah and tries to make everything to like to read and then you have to reread it at least twice. I think to get everything because sometimes it's just interest so big. Yeah and the threads spe. They're not they're not straight the they're intertwined and they go back and forth. They go backward and forward. So why is is linear all the time? Either this is true. This is true. Look at the look at his run on action in the new fifty two which was reading age issue back to back and I still like what the heck is going on here until I got to the last issue where it started to wrap up and I was like Oh and now it makes sense and like I have to go back and read read is run again just to just so. I know what how it fits together and then I can understand it better. Like one of them to help me is when I listened to him. Talk about how you interact first or fifth dimension as he explained it to. Kevin Smith on his podcast and okay makes sense. I'm GonNa have to find that one. The old good when Beckman was really good when Morrison writes something Bike Morrison road that man Prey Batman Venom and there were some legend titles in eighties. To last time what. Starting Moore's is probably one of my favorite Batman writers other than Jeff Low. He wrote he wrote final crisis. I read five races. Took me to do. But wallow while Morrison More Stan was writing that because it was because final crisis was going into his Batman Recipe story so that was kind of all flow together but Morrison when he went back on the Batman and he was doing Batman recipes and he was doing Batman Son and the black of and and all that stuff he had this whole on tire plan of every every single thing was tied together and then put it all together and I just respect writers. Like that. Aren't just throwing my caution. The win they're like okay. What story I wanNA tell listen my ending. This is where I'm GonNa go and Morrison is. Just he's awesome but enough that Morrison. How about these movies so anything else you guys want to add touch on for this one. I don't think so because they think it's does night wing. Show up in night. Winger Batman Versus Robin Yup Wing is in every Smith. Okay I yeah I thought so Because I think it's that one. I don't think it's this one. I think it's that one where he cra. Maybe it's no might be bad blood. I Dunno have touched They have a touch expanding the universe where he is on the phone with. Corey. And you know. He's in a relationship with Corey. That's coming up. I know it's in one of the three and sits either in Robin Batman versus Robin. Or it's in bad blood. I will say that porn night wind gets checked of every movie like he gets beat up in every movie so like I said no post credits scene for this one and our next film is two thousand. Fifteen Justice League thrones of Atlantis. This film combines elements from the new fifty two I volume of Aachen and heavily from the third volume of the Justice League of the new fifty title of Atlantis. This is our origin film. Really for Aquaman and it's very awkward center which is Great. This is where we get literally talking about this. So we're j O'CONNELL comes in Superman and Nathan. Fillion shows up as green lantern and we get. Rosario Dawson is wonder woman which she's done better. She did better than Michelle Monaghan. I I think I just. I don't know Michelle Monaghan. I think she was given A. She was given a bit of a wrong direction when it came to her acting. She kind should just just so like over the top and and I don't know I don't WanNa say Shakespearean but NOVELA Giddy. I know exactly what you're trying to say. Yeah just like she was like she comes from an old like an old movie about ancient Greece or something. Just some kind of would have worked in parts of bloodlines right. Not to jump ahead yet but like where that story goes and comes from but not here or an hour we should have been. We should have been passed that I do want to point out this film okay. This is where we get. Superman Diana's relationship starting and they do the famous nudity to superman wonder woman dating. But we do get Lois Lane in this film and it does plan a little bit of a see. That Clark does have some sort of feelings towards Lois. A We meet Sam Lane. We meet John Henry Irons on a construction site in this film. So we meet secure. Neil no no. We don't talk about that right now. Brian we just lost. Brian Click well because I had been a pleasure. I'M GONNA go watch and we do shit. Samuel Darn I said Clam. Suzanne is back in this movie. Brian you know that. Yeah Zam. Yeah no we're not talking about that. I'm on this issue last movie. Unfortunately no no no you know does does he. Show back up at at the The deficit that sit at the table and they're talking about like the fiscal year of the Justice League note. Now that's in this care. I messed that up reference. In-depth Superman. Yes she's not the second hold on one second isn't Hawk man in the background of that meeting to. Yeah we'll get there. There's a lot of characters that introduced get introduced along the way without actually being set up pushes ambitious disappear. This is his last movie appearance and I haven't found that states that they were prepping him for his own movie or anything like that. He just doesn't right up again. Doesn't how Jordan disappear after this. Maybe for a while for a little bit as well with with no explanation. Except for the fact that there's a different green lantern there. That's it so from from between from between Justice League thrown over Atlanta's the next time we see Green Lantern John Stewart in Justice League dark. Yep So definitely short changed from the whole Benue. Hal is back in death of Superman. And then the John Henry Irons. His story in thrones. Orlando's does match what he says later when he's introduces a full character. Looked for that. Little bit of connective tissue to make sure that it lined up correctly. And then thrones of. Atlantis also has a post credits scene. Where or missing. Jalen LEX up to to recruit arm for the Legion of doom. But were never shows up again. Yeah which we didn't do those. Harry Lennox is Black Manta in this movie and Sam Whitmire Liberty. I'll ocean master. He's not just agent Liberty James. He is not just the ASS here's Doomsday. He is David Bloom. He is agent. Liberty is aiden from these Dr Darth Maul. He's great he's also. He's also vader's apprentice star killer. But the one thing about this this like okay if we look Opperman. The film warm is an interesting villain in that film because he's not completely a villain he he's Avila with misguided nece but this arm and this movie is completely evil his yeah he uses the yeah he uses the he uses the fact that his his father died to push his pushes agenda of destroying the surface world. Just because he's evil he just wants to destroy them. He kills his mother in this movie. Like yeah like runs through. Kills his mother in this movie and You know it was an alien invasion on the planet that that did it. It had nothing to do with a surface war except for the fact that surface heroes were involved like the. The war would have decimated Atlantis along with the entire planet. And so like it literally had nothing to do with like surface dwellers fighting wars against each other in. Atlanta's being collateral damage. Atlantis was indirectly targeted. Just being on earth in the invasion he just used it as a way to get on. Because that's what villains due buddy hope until they're beheaded by Lady Sheba sorry spoiler for young justice. That was one of my favorite that like three times. But we're GONNA bring up young lady because I'll just bring it up now. You brought it up mentioned in. I have a section here. My nose just called overarching universe notes. The animation style slowly starts to change in these films. We see a little bit of a shift here and there as they go compared to what it started out with Justice League war even though they're continuity into the same there are little shifts. You see it with Superman Superman if you look. I'm sure there's different artists who end up. Who who have ended up working on these films over the last seven years and in bloodlines. But if you look at the models of these characters art house that does these started producing young justice season. Three Nice so if you look at if you watch justice season three and look like bat woman's appearance Batmans appearance and some of the other characters. It's the same base models and art for these films like so it gets a little blurry at times because the art starts to kind of reflect if you watched young justice season three and then go back and look at season one you can see difference in the art in the young justice world. It seems more like That men under the Red Hood. That's into the young justice world them one by season three. It's different but in season one of young justice. I would agree with you. Not just because Bruce Greenwood is Batman. Who is my second favorite band invoice? But that's a whole nother conversation. Also want to point out though out of the total fifteen films twelve of these fifteen films is scored by Frederik Wiedmann musical connections throughout these next. Because we have the same composer working on them. But is there anything else? You'd like to add about thrones of Atlantis. I mean this really is an aquaman center film that you know like you said we meet. Black. Manta we meet we meet the trench. We get professor Shin. Black Manta short lived in this one. He hasn't returned yet. That I'm aware of just has not only because of the time. I think that my notes. Because he wasn't he wasn't with the Legion of doom. He's got any by a shark. He pops up opens. Referencing held a pay POPs up. Yeah because he's voiced by Dave feeding and suicides pay a very small part while he must've escaped right. He must've escaped at sharks belly. All right so we're going to move on to two thousand fifteen Batman versus Robin now. This film the first time I washed. I'd is a good one. I I watched it. I didn't like it and do you know why I didn't like it. James or Brian take a quick Batman versus no. I think I think I think that you really love. The court allows and I think that you judged too harshly because it wasn't maybe what you expected or what you saw on your mind while from what I've heard because I haven't read that yet. I haven't read the quarter vowels. I haven't read the night of owls. The new fifty two so. I hear that it's fantastic. Work by Zack. Snyder Zack Snyder. Scott Snyder and the other people who worked on the other bat books that were involved in the entire thing And I have not ready yet. So my introduction to the court avowals. Was THIS MOVE. And they were pretty cool. I've got the talent was pretty awesome and Brian Yesterday. Right because if you read the new fifty two the first thing that you know you read the first few volumes of Batman the first two volumes of night wing. You have to have both to really get the fact of the quarter vowels and the whole night wing story. That made the quarterback even more powerful is completely absent. Like I liked the idea of the. I like the story of talent polling robin like that. I'm okay with that but I really think that was their loose connection to what they what they had with the night wing part of the story because I did read A handful of issues from the beginning of new fifty two from nine wing A while back before. Dc Universe and everything. Like that. So I was getting into that into that part and I was reading that side of the story and that was pretty awesome but okay so so you did see you did get ill. You know how night waiting ties into the court. You have that much. At least see. I read like the first like seven or eight issues of new fifty two. Okay and so. That's Tyler and I've talked about this a good bit because night wings should have been more of a part of this story than Damian and that's kind of what disappointed. Us totally absolutely I. I agree 'cause that part of the story that that those books were really good from from night. Wink I feel like the Batman versus Robin Stories. But it may be instead of using the tower when they could have done other character and I just feel like the court deserved a better film now upon years of pulling myself out and just watching it as a film. It is a really good movie. Just watching it as Damian's arc and a pivotal point in his story to where at the end of this film daming decides to go off to the Himalayans and Bruce has to have this moment with his son and just where that puts him. It's good you know Batman and Damian struggle at at the beginning where doll maker kills or a talent kills doll maker which Domico creepiest can be Ankle yes and then I did put in this job I did make can not this one did have a new batmobile? It did which So son a Batman had about mobile. This one had a different batmobile. And then when we go to bad blood. It's back to the original batmobile and when you go to Justice League dark. It is the same batmobile. So this is the only film with a different batmobile. Also in this movie. There's a woman teas that I didn't pick up the until washed it this time in Bruce's having the vision of Damion being like taking over and like the whole psychic psychotropic dream thing that he has gaming killing him a burden the city when you look around all the Batman allies are dead. That woman is their bodies so that she that is oh. I didn't I didn't catch that. the board of owls. So like I said. I haven't read so the quarter. Vowels is one reason why like this movie and also that That dream sequence from Batman and that that story is in the CL- in the trade of Batman and son has more of what it is if it's like a possible future or something or what I don't know exactly what it is because it seems out of play. Well actually well. It was like it was like a possible future because that issue that you're talking about was issued. Batman six six six that makes sense so I think they tied that that issue into this movie really well as some sort of nightmares. An area that he hallucinate. Yes it did really well. I liked it. I do want to throw this out there for everyone who's listening. I watched all the films in order but I did flip to films. I did watch Justice League. And then just see thrones of Atlanta's back to back so I can watch the Batman Films linearly and it really does play out really well if you watch son of Batman and Batman versus Robin in the bad blood and then into the teen titans versus just because you see them then Judas contract. Yeah you see Damian's arch stronger and there's a lot of other connective tissue that you see. That's that's the way I watch him to go war throne of Atlantis and then it goes straight into Batmans here. You told me that now. It's like oh that sounds really cool so I watched it that way this this watched through and I like that also cool because I feel like you also get more of the Justice League story by putting those two justece films back to back how war ends where they're like. Oh we're the super seven you know because they're not really together and then of course in terms of Atlanta's picks up and they're still not quite the justice. Get but I did find this movie though. Odd that we get that a random woman. That's like dating slash courting bruce that we had not met scene and she's kind of just one and done yeah. I don't think she was ever in the comics. Either I did like the twist that she was the grand master of the House. That was nice like in in the wealth. Now I don't WanNa ruin the comic for James. The I was trying to remember the the grandmaster comic with somebody he knew to write it was it was like someone on the board or something. I don't hit. There's also a whole nother like thing in the quarterfinals. Which comes for wishing more? In into Batman Eternal Batman internal is really cool. It starts off good in the middle of it so just mucky because they tried to do it for fifty two issues like a weekly book and it was a story. They should've just done as a shorter. Volume. 'cause it was just so stretched out or it wasn't wasn't internal dime during Z zero year. And that's like that's why it was really confusing for me. I wasn't Scott Snyder's Batman like I feel like everything he did. All Star Batman is connected but I feel like he had these ideas for the quarter vows death in the family zero year and then metal and then where he is now like dark metal and all that stuff I really feel he had all this kind of planned out and even his last night on earth but because the way DC was moving. All we gotta do this faster so why he was doing zero year and I think they decided to do what would have been his next plotline as eternal to get that story out faster because they were headed towards this event this story because if you read zero year and then you kiss because eternal picks up threads that are hanging from the quarter vows really caps off the court of Al Story and then you see the threads in in Scott Snyder's endgame pick back up and last night on earth so it really feels like all his Batmans kind of connected but he had to spread it out in these different ways because of how DC kept cranking and changing and moving in Event Book and Rebirth. And all this that he didn't have time to really do his. Batman the way he wanted to do make sense. I do WanNa read his. I do WanNa read his stuff from the beginning of New Fifty two all the way up. Because I've read. I read all of his Justice League and I read all of his last night on earth So I've got A. I've got a bunch of stuff there and I when I was reading through Superman and action. I got two zero year and kind of at kind of during my read through like I said before I told you before Tyler. I when I'm going through and I hit like storyline like that like I kinda just pause on that on that run that I'm reading and then I read that whole storyline For the most part I read for the most part of the story lines that I've run into like I through all of Superman and I didn't touch convergence like convergence is got to be its own thing. There's so many books there. Yeah I kind of I WANNA go back and reread convergence. I know we're getting off topic a little here but I do want to go back and read convergence just because I am rereading stuff. And that's where it gets muggy with where Superman comes into play and then how rebirth works. So I am going to reread convergence. Probably here soon just because I have been doing so much. Rereading With this extra time at work because business hit slow so I do want to point out some quick notes about the universe one we never get a green arrow. We get US MENU. But we never get very disappointed. We never get supergirl get short changed like he never gets more than just the Justice League appearances and it really bums me out now. Our next film is bad blood. And I'M GONNA let James. You take over an introduced blad blood start the congress. Oh bad blood is a story where Batman Disappears We get the introduction of that woman. Kate Kane and Batman is she. She's involved in trying to stop some people and Batman during there during an altercation. gets blown up and disappears and has gone for weeks and night wing steps in to take his place because Gafa without Batman a tends to tends to you know fall apart and so this is where this movie is where like the Bat family expands from. Just night wing. In Damian Wayne An Alfred Alumni wing is here and he takes and he takes the mantle of Bat. He Damian returns from the Himalayas night weighing allows bat woman to join them and they introduced Luke Fox as bat wing. And I liked that I liked it. We got kind of this fresh character of Luke Fox. Because we haven't seen him anything else. We see him ever doing nope. Nope this is only appearance or do we. Him in the teaser. For Justice League dark apocalypse war hyphen esquire. I don't know because I've only watched the teaser. Once I kind of want to just go into the film a little bit more and we'll talk about that when we review that but yet as far as that woman as well this is her one and done right. We get okay. So this movie's were Talia returned and she is evil. We get more Batman Villains. We get this we get we meet Tusk electrocution firefly copperhead. And of course. The heretic thought the heretic would tim. This so Jason. So in my in my recollection there was in that Batman and son Book. I believe it was that book. There were like a number of different Batman. Type characters Am I am I recalling that correctly in the heretic was one of them? I he was less. Let's pull it off the shelf here on Hugh. He was less of a character as because there was like three different Batmans characters. There's one who was like a bane like huge type character and there was one like the heretic and then I can't remember the third one. I just remember the handshake from later when he actually killed in Batman Inc. Yeah I. I don't recall the heretic being in Batman and son. I know there's a story I read that there was like three something. There is a banner. I know your time. I got the book. There is like a bane type of cooking Batman esque character in later and one of the books that passed here. But I can't take right. I can't recall. It's been so long since I picked that book up. I can't remember because the only time I read that book was when I got it because I wanted at like a trivia thing four the dark knight. So that's what I was long as long as a go since I've read the book so it's pure pure memory from that point. I just I know there was. I'm pretty positive. There was like three different types of characters. One was like massive. Okay okay in in parts of the story. There is a giants guy with a bent. Who'd beating the crap out of Bruce Hold on I have not read this a long time on. The locker room smells so thick. And here's like weather board meetings. The Stock Exchange Executive WASHROOMS TESTOSTERONE. Alpha male hormone. I guess I'll have to take their word for its and then oh his look like much of a cop and this giant guy that looks like Bain as wearing like a slow tanks out that has little bats on it This guy's huge. His name actually used. Maybe it is no no. I don't recall names of these characters. Maybe it is like A. I remember when the heritage shows up I have. I have a death of Robin book somewhere. It's in my long boxes and okay but we do. I couldn't place. I couldn't place the voice for the longest but we got Ernie Hudson as Lucius Fox which is awesome. I think. Yeah Yes yes yeah. I think it's just it's just a member of Italia hit squad try and take them down. What I what I can recall is those characters. Were like. Were clones of Damian like the heretic Is THOSE CHARACTERS. Were forced grown Clones of Damian and they were just used to go after Bruce That was about it. That's all that's about all. I can recall right once again. Beat up in this movie. Tell Ya is left for dead. We think she is kind of oreos explodes over the ocean. The Mad Hatter is dead rightfully so rightfully so though Bat Batman beats the crap on a night way. Yes heretic is dead. The Mad Hatter is dead. The penguins teased. We do get black mask. Which actually in this in this we get the the a version of the accident that forces him his face to be scarred because he actually has just the black mask on in this in this movie and What what day. What happens with Robin He he does something and it causes. It causes the weapon to backfire. And like incinerate the mask around. Black Masks head. Isn't this the also the one where you get a mazo or was that that was that and Batman? I know that was in this one Mazo? Yeah which ones that in my right and wrong under the red hood okay. You're right it wasn't a bit. Although this doc is used in multiple that that that same dock yard is used in multiple DC Batman DC properties. It's used in young justice. The exact same dark and that's puts used in under the Red Hood. It's used in this movie. It's used in young justice. See I play here that. There's a line of dialogue. In this that says chucky soul a member of black masks gang time I've ever heard Shuki soul was a mask of the phantasm that was cool nod. Italians age and this we do get a Stinger at the end. We're back grow shows up. This is bat rolls kind of tease and appearance. I do Kinda Wisha Been Red Hood that that showed up at. The end of. This film has a tease instead of it. Being the Stinger being back girl because being a Stinger. She's very with that being a Stinger Jim Berry. She's used very little in the universe moving forward because she's only shows up as a cameo in hush yes right. She was one of those characters that I expected something more from because they they've done Red Connie in the comics that her quote Unquote Burnside Bat. Girl outfit was her first original background outfit. And that's what we see her appear in. Which if you're thinking of it in we're talking about change that bad girl outfit took place in the DC. You which is why. Oh you did their little soft reboot in the middle of the new fifty two where they all of a sudden. Somehow Barbara was a thirty year old woman to all of a sudden now being a nineteen year old girl character. You know if you if you read the New Fifty. Two background books you know. It's all post Oracle that all of a sudden we get to the burnside stuff. It's like a completely different background. There was nothing. Good that your DC year. That's why were you so this so this movie here Makes me want to? What is it the Is it Morrison? Batman and Robin is that WHO IT IS I. I'm not sure Yes where night wing is. Batman and Damian is Robin Morrison Robin. I actually read a good chunk of that recently when I went on my Red Hood Cook and read all the major Red Hood Story Arcs because I heard that was really good. I WanNa read. It is really good. The whole run is really good this film. If you're looking at comic book inspiration comes from that Morrison Arc and also the battle for the cow because there's elements from that Another character that never appears in the universe is hunters as we were discussing characters that never came to fruition. We never got a huntress appear. Now this movie is more about Woman's vehicle I am not a fan of this movie. Title I kinda get where it's coming from but I just don't like it any other comments on that's about all I got on bad blood. I think all right. So we're now at two thousand sixteen justly versus the Teen Titans. This film opens where the Justice balance the Legion of doom. So we have Alexa. And the LEX- suit if Solomon Grundy with no Mathur Cheetah master toy master and weather wizard so I was thinking because it'd been awhile since I had watched this movie. I forgot that it opened with the battle against the Legion of Doom. And that lex luther was a part of it and now after. I watched it as soon as it came on and LEX was there I was like. Oh that's why he's under house arrest in the death of Superman Right I. Yes yes exactly also like you said earlier James and the last film and bad blood as we have a conversation with night wing talking to Corey over the phone and she. He's talking to Corey and he says I have to go family emergency so she is T. As in that film and then we meet corey injustice versus teen. Titans this one is we. We also get the atomic skull as far as villains go. We'll see trion. Try being the over arching. Villanova's film other brother blood in this. He's an yes. Yeah he's in Judas contract of the two films with the Teen Titans. They're both really good. I do like this. I do like this one. I think the their Raven story line is good Like I said like I said Damian Wayne's little bastard personality is in full effect again here but it doesn't seem to be this place yes he does get put in his place and I liked that blue beetle. Does it The scare of Like he just 'cause Damian thinks he's just he's digging bad like he thinks that he has a living weapon and he can't be stopped and and the Blue Beetle scarab in defending itself and being annoyed at Damien Wayne's jackassery he he blasts him and nearly kills him and it puts him in his place and his ravens. And this is this is like I said when you watch in line and you see this is probably the pivotal most pivotal F- film in this film. We meet Blue Beetle. Who's playing the kind of the role of CYBORG and the teen? Titans cyborg being right now. A member of the Justice League we have Raven we have star fire who we do have the teen titans. Titans dynamic you have Dick Grayson who wanNA teen Titan as night wing. I I do like you did. Bring up cyborg. I do like Cyborg in this movie. Because they do they give them a call back like straight to the Justice League but the they reached back. He's still a young man you know. He's probably only he was. He was looking to go to college. I played in Justice League war. So yeah he was a senior he was like eighteen so however long it takes like he went from being an eighteen year old teenager running with the Justice League. It's nice for him to have and that's why he connected with Zam because he was a younger younger man and it's nice of him to have people his own age in this film and that's kind of why he rolls with the Teen Titans and why he shows up at the end with the boom to pizza thirty seconds or less to get a mention suffering. We I know Ray. I'm like we do get a mention of conduct city in this film when they're talking about finding pieces to build the portal to bring try gone tricon voiced by John Barren Thal Shane from the walking dead. Or the punisher punisher. I do love Raven in this movie. Do you love her story. And just how she we see how powerful she is. How strong she is the part. I think there's great in this tweet. She talks about what she did and how try gone. Killed came to address. And they're like well we're wrath and she's like fantastic. We're there right now. Yeah and when they have to go to the hell dimension to stop Tigon and Damian's like no we're going to go with you and I'm not sure if that's how you pronounce her name but TESA taste farming formiga. Whatever TESA I love her. She's amazing she's awesome. I love her in in American horror story and just her voice is perfect for Raven. I'm so glad she's GonNa be back again in Justice League dark. The only thing is she's the sister. Tavira farm meager and they put her in the none which is connected to the conjuring but yet they didn't make the characters related that annoyed me because they look so much alike. But that's just me but yeah I. I was glad to see her in the I do like Daming coming into his own because one of the best scenes when he says Batman Wonder Woman Flash souverain being possessed by these try. Gone Demons and Damian says father father and they look up to bat. They're code and then when beast boy is like what you like. What you have a way to take out superman and he just gives them this over the shoulder grand. I think he does and this does end with the tease of Tara. Showing up is important so anything else on justice league versus team Tigers I think it's you know for for having the two films being focused on the teen titans It's it's really good because it shows the the friend the family dynamic between all of the characters how they're there for each other No matter what like they don't know anything about Raven there for her blue beetle. They don't know how dangerous he is that That kind of thing and then you know being Jewish or and in this they Corey's idea as she gets from night wing to help the team bond is literally fun they go to a carnival. And and it's I mean it's it's how how teenagers how kids would get to know each other get to bond not through training and stuff but like actually getting to be themselves in a regular setting and then and then we get some stuff like that in the other in the other Teen Titans Judas contracts when they have a birthday party or no an anniversary party for Tara be they. Just GET TO BE FRIENDS. You know. So it's really. They did a really good job. Of of getting what? I've never read like the new teen. Titans like the original Judas contract but I heard that run was all snow was I heard that Ron was a lot about the the family dynamic the friendships not just the action but but the the dynamics between the characters mom and they they really put that into Into these two movies and I think that's something that they're playing playing up in the teen titans in Titan show on DC universe but maybe too much now we'll sort of in chronological order the next film if you're following along isn't justice league dark but I kind of want to stay on the teen titans right now in just talk about Judas contract and that's we're going to put a pen in this episode so the next one picks up right there we conversation so if you haven't seen the films you get a chance to catch up with us and we'll catch next time sky. Look up in the sky.

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They Called This a Movie Episode 85 - Justice League (2017)

They Called This a Movie

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They Called This a Movie Episode 85 - Justice League (2017)

"We have to be ready. The others attack coming from far away. Not Coming Bruce. It's already here the others. Where are they arthur curry by? Qatrani body parts. Cyborg you should move Barry Allen. Whoever you're looking for it's not me? Is it that man the age of Heroes? Who never come again. What are your superpowers? Again of? Rich March are shall we? It's good to see you playing well with others again. Just second bat maybe temporary Hello everyone and welcome to. They called this movie testing the strength of friendships. One terrible movie. At a time you can subscribe to the podcast on. Itunes Google. Play pod bean anywhere else. You get your podcasts. We're also proud members of GEEK VIBES NATION. You can go visit them at. Gv NATION DOT COM. Welcome back to. They called this movie. I am Dan Acquino and I am joined by my good friend. Mark Myers say hello mark. Boy I made a mistake when I asked you to do this movie today but I think I am made a mistake. Yeah I'm excited to do this podcast. Don't get me wrong. It was a mistake. is not a bit. I just want to get something out of the way it has nothing to do with the movie I watched it streaming on. Tnt's act which means I had commercials so I watch Justice League. You're going to get into specifics in a second with commercials because you can't skip them on Gun it added like fifteen minutes movie but then again. That's only half with the Snyder cut right. When I digress right yes this. This week we watched the Justice League at the behest of our good friend. Anthony Vecchio he cannot be with us today unfortunately he is recovering from surgery. Now he's doing fine. He'll be back next week. Hopefully I very much alive to boss around next But get well soon aunt Because you have to edit this podcast So yeah as mark alluded to we are covering two thousand. Seventeen Justice League or the Justice League Starring Ben Affleck Gal Gadot Henry Cavill and Ezra Miller as well as why? Can't I remember his name? Jason Momoa course and just there's so many so many by and by the way can I say that it's been three years that we've been hearing about. The Snyder gut feels like an eternity. Dude I think about this movie came out ten years ago. I backed that up by the. Cg is terrible in the movie we sat down and we watch this hunk of junk. I've seen it twice. I saw theaters where I was very disappointed just as disappointed the second time. How many times have you got to see? This is my first time I I. I haven't seen Batman v Superman either so I that's why textures spoilers for Batman v Superman. I was a superman die at the end of Batman. V Superman because being open this movie with that right and that's part of the problem with Justice League and we'll touch on that in a little while but yeah but objectively Batman V. Superman dawn of justice is the better movie The pot the plot is still kind of incoherent. But it's not a jumbled mess like the Justice League but I digress. We're GONNA get into that so it's like it's like the. Old South Park joke of you know like choosing between a Douche Sandwich Bambi every Superman and justice league it always baffles me and I think because Anthony will always say you know. Everything's a Colt. And I think there's no better example than the Zach Snyder. Movie Man of Steel Batman v Superman and Justice League. Obviously with Josh Sweden taking over for Zach Snyder due to family issues. You know very unfortunate what happened obviously and we in dare make fun of what happened there but you know people really really die on this. D C Hill. Where are the movies terrible? Sometimes but it's blind patriotism towards these movies where there there are no flaws yet. So here's my I had mentioned to you in the pre show. How hot take this but The one thing I noticed this being the first DC film besides suicide squad and you know Harley Quinn and you know this is like this is supposed to be there. Avengers two movies. I didn't you know this is my first those two saying they don't seem to. I think the word I use is they don't seem to trust or understand the character now. I'm not saying from a comic book like they need to stay faithful the comic book because we've Seen Marvel not do that and it turned out. Wonder what I mean if these characters are supposed to be brooding emotional and you know lot darker and you know live that film new kind of Gutter Especially Batman is supposed to live in. Let them live there. They try to much be marvel in certain aspects where they think what people want example. I'll start here because it's my main topic One of the reasons why I was interested in justice. League outside of the Superhero thing is It all comes to pass with Ezra Miller in performances the flash now ever Miller is amazing as an actor every other movie. I've seen a man eat. Gets you know the character. I mean he's got two completely different performances. You have you know. We need to talk about Kevin where he plays really dark murder. Serial Murderer Child. And then there's perks of being a wallflower where he plays the affable lovable. Patrick in that movie always quick and witty and for some reason. Now I don't know much about the flash could be talking out of my ass completely here. But they introduced this whole backstory story with the father and killing his mother but it was framed job. No that's I guess. I'm supposed to know if I know barry out but what they do instead of making that character like more of a you know hard hitting you know sort of dive into that character. They eat they try to make him like this Socially Awkward No friends sort of you know trying to be the funny man in the movie and it just doesn't work because no one else in the group wants to be funny yeah. He essentially the Peter Parker to the Justice League. And that's how they make him out to be now in the comics. He is a smart Aleck. He's you know he's fast mouth fast moving man and he uses that humor to kind of throw his enemies off balance. But you're right here. It just comes off is really annoying because no one else is buying into it. Yeah I think the the main problem was they were playing catch up to marvel so instead of establishing larger than life character. You kind of just throw cyborg in their throw. Aqua man in there you throw the flash in there and we don't have a feel for them yet. CYBORG is not a doom and gloom character. a lot of people will probably know him best from the teen titans cartoon at or even the comic books so he he made a name for himself on. Teen Titans and he's more of a you know he's a jock kind kinda guy and he's fun loving. He's you know Julia that's his. That's his catchphrase. We get it here but it's like it's so forced and everything is just a jumbled mess. That's the best way to put. It feels like re of the characters in this. Movie Are Basically starring in part of their origin film. More than starring in the ensemble fill like. I think that's what makes vendors great Is that I believe all the main characters. Maybe all of them in the first avengers all had her. Whatever you think of the Ed Norton all had their solo movie out before that came the play. So the whole Barry Allen Hatton to show you that he's quick witted fast with a quote making jokes about this Leedle. Actually run out of calories all that stuff. hasn't been established yet. So when you have Diana and Bruce and quark for as little as he's in it already established and have this devastating backstory from the last movie They don't Mesh Even Jason Momoa. Who might be the best of the three new characters Just seems they seem to separate co in this movie and I think a lot of DC like you said trying to play catch up In this 'cause there's I'm watching this movie and it's not so much that you know there's nothing there like there's feels like so much wasted potential like my two favorite scenes in the movie and a real short. Are you know Diana and Bruce after they resurrect? I think it's after they resurrect superman. And they're having that conversation and you know where she pops his shoulder back in and all that you know and they just let the emotion breathe that they built in the last movie and they also do it. All the later with Lois and Clark back in back on the farm and what. Why didn't they do more of that? You have a two hour movie here and you spend most of it like getting the band together and making jokes like you. Don't what was the point of that first movie if you weren't GonNa you know use any emotion from it. I don't know you've seen the first movie so I don't know if corrected my thinking here but that's all I kept feeling watching this. I'll tell you one thing before we go into our promos and the plot this movie. Is this movie produced? Two good things only two things. One is the cover of the the the poster which is based off the Alex. Ross painting of the Justice League that's fire and the come together cover from Gary Clark. Junior is it slaps. Say our good friend Anthony And that's it. That's the only two good things about this movie but So what do you say? Mark WE WE'RE GONNA dive into it now so Before we do just giving a quick shot out to our good frontier from Geek Vibes nation. I lost the plug for it and I've said it enough times. You think I would know it but I. My brain capacity is very limited so just going to give a quick shot at the. Ti and her podcast. The top ten with Tia where her and her friends have a weekly podcast where they cover the top ten Movies objects this week. It was the top ten Quentin Tarantino Moments. So go check that out. It's a weekly podcast. He is a good friend of ours podcast and she's just a good personal around. Yeah I what I wonder is show. I heard somebody promote a podcast. They have if she'd be willing to branch out from movies and television. Somebody said they do a podcast with your friends. Top Five lists and they did top five hose settings so I don't know if she's looking for some special episodes of doing really wacky topics like that but it just made me laugh. Made me think of her podcast when I heard that. Promo there's only one way to find out we'll We'll get in touch with their afterward. All right we're going to step away for a little bit. We're going to hear some words from friends of the PODCAST and we'll be right back. This is Jay coach. Duffy from the ultra d'oro partly our podcast every week talking sports movies. Tv comics and more. It's always a part of the topics on each episode. You can find the od T H on Apple. Podcast Google podcast. Iheartradio spotify Fisher pardoning wherever you find great podcasts such as the one. You're listening to you right now. Don't forget to check out. Ultra girl polly our dot com where you can find the links to all the social media accounts links through bands whose music here each week on the show cashback sixty seven podcast. Paulie points are companion block section of the show. Thanks for listening to you. Now get back into regularly scheduled. Podcasts traverse zoos. Ach you're looking for a story. I got one for you. Vase venture friendship and a Smith's That Thomas that big ass Mellon I was going from about the time I kicked her ass or I wouldn't ever tell do anything in my roof gear on. Okay everyone shut up. Now come with me as I tell you a story from afar everybody my name's David on the DM podcast from afar. Podcast is all about four friends. Separated by distance brought together by adventure. Stop by and give us a listen. Thanks man I love those guys. I'm a big fan of their show yet. You have great friends with no our podcast and vice versa. Yeah absolutely if you get a chance. School listen to them just to get support. The small podcasters. That's what I always ask my motto all right so we're going to jump into two thousand seventeen and Justice League budget of three hundred million dollars. Q. Cumulative worldwide gross of six hundred fifty seven million. It has a rotten tomatoes score forty percent. That's a a very very poultry forty ended. Imdb score of six point four right so we opened up with some bad CGI explaining steppenwolf how he's trying take over the world using three mother boxes. We get a big a big battle shot of Atlantans. Amazonian men and women lantern. I guess the core couldn't spare more than one green lantern. Unfortunately but that was pretty cool it was. I remember being in the movie. Seeing the green lantern come around. I was like Oh that's cool. Green lantern is going to be in this but that was it so steppenwolf winds up losing and the mother boxes are separated. One go into Amazon's one to the ATLANTANS and one goes to the world of men who just decide to bury. There's in the dirt somewhere. Meanwhile the Amazonian Atlantans have there is kept in like a big you know palace surrounded by guards and it's just like men right like I'll just throw it in the ground so we fast forward to present day where the world is still mourning. The death of Superman which is weird because last movie most people hated him in Batman. V Superman a lot of people thought he was a false God and he he wasn't exactly in the public's best try I guess they didn't trust him very well. They have this tracking shot Which is when the text game just comes up and then in the paper just as Superman is dead. My Kids Copa and I'm like wait. What they there wasn't even like a reference like at all that opening they're really banking on you seeing Batman v Superman and then we we really we just a slow montage of people being shitty to each other. You know people stealing fighting there's wars going on Donald Trump is the president. Just man you let us down at. Why why did you leave us? Speak our full alien man which is insane because the whole point of him dying was to inspire hope in the world you know like. He sacrificed himself so that we could live. And then we just devolve into you. Know Animals So yeah then. We cut to Gotham city where Batman is hunting a burglar which is a pretty cool seen in itself. And you know I. It's very Batman mask and I think they did a good job with it. Where he's you know he's there for a second. The burglar sees him and he looks away and then Batmans gone and then the next scene Batman shows up and captures them but then we find out. He's using the criminal as bait because somehow he figured out the Pera Demons are attracted to fear now. It's never explained how he figured that out. I know he's the world's greatest detective but could of us a little bit of backstory. There something instead of just saying they're they're attracted to fear the one thing I love. This movie is how much they shit on Batman notes about superpower and it is perfect. It's how I would write. The Justice League movie is just SORTA like everybody go. What the fuck are you doing here? There's a cool seen in the animated movie of I think it's Apocalypse war where green lantern says. Wait a minute you're not just a guy in a bat. Kosti Mario and you. Bruce turns around and smiles but in the animated movie he's actually bad ass whereas in this movie. He's kind of like a joke I. He holds his own against A lot of stronger enemies and in a better told story you could have this be the explanation of. Hey Bruce Human he's GonNa break down and get old like he can't you know he's got figure things out you can keep it up for much longer. Yeah Yeah like. That would have been a great. Some plot in this movie is just him except alludes to it like three times in the nets. It resident your shit on him and he makes a big speech later on in the movie saying he can't lead but it's kind kinda just throwing it and they're like you said so. Battening captures the pair of demon and it conveniently explodes leaving the exact shape of the mother box. Now that was like my first face palm moment in the movie. Actually second behind the aforementioned. Cgi Superman lip. Why do they explode leaving behind? The mother boxes are the is like a conveniently placed a plot hole like. Oh this is what we're looking for. I BELIEVE IT GETS DARK. Souls to That scene reminded me of out called the Pharaohs Lock Stones. It's actually a thing that you find stones throughout the war on you put it in there and then the wall disappears something behind it either. Terrible or great it starts but the but it's a three I holding put this stone in the mouth. Part sound plausible to be honest. Your life like like that was in the world. But that's the first thing I thought of it exploded and I left out was so now that face palm moment is followed up immediately with another palm moment where Batman jokes around with the burglar who just captured and then he just leaves he leaves the burglar behind through. You know do as he pleases. Fish fry probably burgle again so that Batman is slipping in his old age Next we get to Steppenwolf. He is attracted to Earth being vulnerable since Superman's death and he arrives in Amazon where we get another poorly rendered. Cgi scene and him capturing the first mother box this this entire scene A lot of this. I don't know it's one of those things where I feel slightly weird about you know when I criticized the marvel movies. I've seen most of the up movies I didn't see many of the DC ones So I'm like I guess maybe this wonder woman seem would have hit better if I see wonder woman but it just it it. It's like one of those whose go that's right. The the do do they make again. I'm trying not to make you remember Batman v Superman trying to talk too much about it. But I think it's wrong. I'm any conversation. Just do they make any reference to these boxes and the other two and that Yes at the end Batman v Superman. We do get a. I think it was a deleted scene of steppenwolf coming down but again I think it was a it was deleted scene so yes and no because I didn't have to really have the scene. It wasn't even that it's like it's like how things are introduced in. I keep going back to marvel. 'cause it's the right you know Whenever they introduced something most of the time there are some mistakes because they're not perfect It's always it's not a surprise it's not like also. Oh yeah that thing. That's where all the. Oh Yeah it's been here. All you know sort of saying at some point you you can sort of follow that you see in In a post credits scene or something like I'm thinking stores hammer and things like that. Yeah Yeah they leave you the breadcrumbs and you easy to follow along just as this kind of you have by wondering if those boxes were like like when they were touring you know. Amazonia did they. Did I probably to watch the movie again. To be honest back they walk by and go. That's the rumor. Mother is capped or something like that. No not mentioned in woman or Batman. V Superman really. It's just yeah they throw at you in. You're supposed to know but yes it's the whole thing about this flightseeing Besides the fact that you know even though they get their ass kicked it just shows how a bad ass the Amazonian czar. This thing is just kicking. Everyone's ask but they're still like shooting it and riding in going. Yeah I'M GONNA be the one to take them down to be honest with you. This movie does a great disservice to the Amazonian 's wonder woman does a much better job of showing you their their capabilities and their culture. So this was just kind of to show introduce steppenwolf really and presented. The big bad is back and he. He looks awful. He looks so bad. He looks like a playstation three villain. Yeah he does it he popped. It was like Oh that's the big villain. Yeah and of course she comes in a big blue light and we've never seen that in movies it just this whole this whole opening scene and I'll take the whole thing up into the you know the the mother boxin in Amazonia as a you know probably something that seemed better on paper. Maybe or maybe they and this again as not a way of saying you know the reason. We're doing this with the announcement of the Snyder cut. But maybe things were taken out. That would have made it better now. I don't know if it's a thing where like a final cutting floor thing sort of or like in the writing process. The writer was like we don't really need that scene. I don't in credit. I think what you got is pretty much. What was planned? Yeah I think a lot of bad decisions could be made in terms of what to highlight. What not to Because I know the writing process when you're trying to edit yourself You know. Sometimes you make good decisions. Don't the they seem to make all the wrong decisions in this and I can't even see the reasoning behind it Like like I for the first time in the history of a movie. I would've liked a good five minute. Exposition scene from someone explaining what the hell was going on outside of they do it real quick. When I think it's it's Diana's explaining it to I won't Point Diana Explains Bruce the whole history of what's going on. Yeah it's like it's like done so quickly like like I would like to have seen of them altogether and her. I know it seems cheesy her in front of some kind of screen or something Going this is Steppenwolf like I'm doing the minority report thing You know and just like 'cause half of these like We'll get into it later but half the time like there's no inter outside of this is him this is him what's go like there's introductions or anything And this is perfect. Example of them introducing this whole villain that you know is barely explained even in the moving right. There's a lot of mistakes this and a lot of untapped potential. But I digress. Continue with no no word. So after that scene we cut to wonder woman stopping a museum heist because all the sudden we have wandered into the Thomas Crown Affair. You know all those High Tech Museum Heist that still go down in the world today. And then she receives a warning from her mother. That steppenwolf has returned. So she ends up joining with Bruce to begin their nick fury. Search to recruit fellow. Heroes Gary Allan Arthur Curry and Victor Stone. Yes so this whole moment. They try in they try and be a little too clever with the writing. I mean I love the wonder woman seems real great while where she sorta you know stops the it looks like they were just going to blow they would just want to cause chaos because they thought the world should go back to the beginning of time and all that 'cause the holy fear whatever the guy says is what the world needs right now At Ashby an unnecessary way to introduce introduce Diana. Yeah it's just throw it right. What the but the the good introduction Which is why we what they should've done originally was you know with the I I I. It's it's one of the moments where I'm like. Okay whenever they wrote the like the section of Dialogue. They got it like they go. Oh we need to sound the warning flame or whatever they call and someone goes what has been letting five thousand years you think men will even know what that means when you do it and all you know you don't even need men to know what it means you need wonder woman's know what means she goes she goes. I don't care about men she'll now that's a great line like as I get it. Okay and they could have introduced. You know wonder woman that way like just done that scene right you go from steppenwolf capturing the mother box to the Queen saying you know we have to. We have to warn her go. Do you think she'll only she'll know. And then they you know they set the morning. And then you can cut the Bruce doing his thing with Alford in the plane where they had the conversation about Diana. They make the snarky response. Like Oh do you want me to send a note? Decison check yes or no for it. at an he can go. You know dude. He has to do and and Diana shows up like she does like good. Yeah it's it's my thing where it was meant. They want those moments. They want the like cheering at the movie theater. Like wonder woman comes on screen. Yeah absolutely that that. This movie severely lack Applause breaks also. Quite right will bad fed pacing and all that bad writing. But so now the the next part kind of I don't understand how it works so Bruce and Diana they split up trying to recruit the team members so bruce travels to an undisclosed location. I I forget what the town is. But he's recruiting Aquaman so he leaves Gotham. He has a clean fit. You Clean Shaven face. He arrives in the fishing village. Full beard was he gone for months. Don't you think steppenwolf would have finished by now? If that were the case I I wonder I did not that I will watch it again but just to see the explanation there but even at that scene could have been so much better in that Jason Memos real good by the way just being like that sort of he knows he knows that. Bruce's looking for him at Bruce. Kind of knows it's him that is still going to be a dick the entire time. You know what I mean right with that Because he obviously stands out amongst the people in that room But the the whole thing they could have done better like not even have him there. You know have him do his whole speech in front of the Icelandic people. And you know they sorta shoo away or something and you know I don't just him. There is just like okay. I know who that is like. I just like how. He immediately tells aquaman that he's Batman and even seem to really like. Oh Guy Dresses like a bat. Cool I come on. He revealed his secret identity for for nothing. Outmanned off man come out first before this word came out. I think he came out twenty eighteen yet they same thing with flash when we get the him Nex if they would have done the origin movie beforehand. You could have explained why and maybe do an because I haven't seen it baby. They explain why he's kind of nonchalant about. Oh yeah this guy is like how revealed the secret identity to me right. Oh well being reflect without explanation. You're just kind of like to see like superheroes all the time. Well I was GONNA say it would make more sense for for Aquaman and like I have no clue who is i. Live fifty thousand miles under the seat. I'm sorry I don't get out very very often. I don't I don't know what you're talking about. Okay you dresses the bat fine. What I think I think instead of just having him be like like I don't know I don't care. It was more like against shitting on Batman. Which is what most of this movie was about the cost address way. It's it's it's the one comedy moment to. Kinda pays off is when he does show up. You know in full aquaman gear and he lands and he goes. Oh you really are just a bat. The copying off of the apocalypse war kind of you so so next we go to the now. This is another weird scene because as Diana is looking for Victor Stone Aka cyborg he. He winds up finding her and asks to meet with her only to reject her in team. Which why would you even reach out to her if you know? You don't want to be found so I think the best way to take this whole section of movie as we should just jump you know. Just talk about the mall together. 'cause they all just sort of jumped from one to the other without much of a long seen so. I think they follow Bruce. I which means we hit flat. I we back them because I want to talk a lot about flash than anyone With this seen what it does. Is it shows what I think. The movie is trying to say. Is that when Superman around? Diana's the leader of this group one Andrea like she like when cyborg POPs up on the screen he goes. Why would I tell you or whatever you know? And she was like you'd be dead at the lake if I wanted to kill you like that line is bad at. She makes no knowledge in that scene with Batman that she noticed the air. But that's Kinda dumb. I feel like you know she should have maybe give given a like a little glance or something just like knowing. Okay I I understand. We're being watched. But just saying just having her say oh I could kill you at the lake all right well. We didn't know that you knew he was there. So we're just going to take your word. She could be lying. She'd be like. Oh Yeah I knew that I wonder I just thought the way she goes bad ass but the the she is so the shot. I don't know it's one of those things where you could have easily gotten that shot but I think maybe they were on like it needs to be two hours timeframe and and they just cut out every little thing. They thought was unnecessary. Like even a five second glance from Diana. We don't really need that. She explains it later in the movie yet. Sort of thing We need fifteen seconds here. We've got some time. We got to cut it down but yet the I think what they were trying to establish but I don't think they had any idea what they want to do with side work Which explains his whole his his. His arc felt like a whiplash in a sense that he went from being our mortgage Winterton. Oh to like being like the pseudo like raz-raza guy for everything you know it's like yeah sure we'll race superman. I did all the calculations right. Yeah it's IT'S WEIRD CHARACTER. Turns for sure and this scene explains that is because you know she does the thing she wants to see him you now. She says old fashioned. You know But I think she just wants make sure he's real. He's still trying to be brooding but the character you know. He's not a mopey character. You know he's again. He's more of an idea of what they're trying to do. Like oh you know. His life was ruined by this accident. Now he's machine. He said meanwhile you know he can fly. He can read every computer in the world. It is what it is man. Suck it up. Seen His dad is fine like yes. That's one of those scenes that you know that I was talking about Where it wasn't done well in terms of you know the writing and stuff but the you know the scene of them him going Ariza language in my head. I don't understand and you know I can fly now. I couldn't do that yesterday. Like sorta like. He's still freaking out. But to me in my head that character as soon as Diana contacts him and give him a purpose being a former athlete should have been the trigger for him to go. You know what yeah? I'm going to do something you know. Rather than be like. Ono's screw off right now until the stakes got raised. But yeah and it even you know with the you know as we as we move along to the the final one here with flash like I said in the beginning you know they introduce a pretty good story line which is probably in the story. Line with probably falsely accused. Father you know murder and all that and you know and him with his speed he could probably investigate it and all that funny still a kid technic. They they try and make him the comic relief instead of maybe just quick wit it's one hundred percent how his His backstory goes his His father's frame for killing his mother and he wants to investigate it. So that's why he becomes. You know he starts working for the police as his You know secret identity and everything but like you said Bruce does succeed in recruiting the flash after telling so many ungodly lame jokes. It's terrible and he reveals his secret identity again. It's ridiculous Batman cannot help in this movie revealing his identity. I think everybody knows at this point. I'm pretty sure. Commissioner Gordon knows as well I gotta say the one chuckle. I had a little later in the movie. We'll get to it so in comics and in the cartoons they don't the only person who knows his identity is superman and wonder woman because they're the trinity right there the Big Three so he trust them enough. But flash does no green lantern doesn't know none of them no but you know in in the DC. You Bob down. The street knows now. There's Bruce Stopping another crime Mr Wayne at and it seems the only purpose served with letting him know. Batman is for the joke in the car where he goes. What your superpower and Bruce Goes. I'm rich trailer Bait Right. There got a you got to put that in their results. Their job one hundred so next week to Pera Demons invading star labs and capturing several scientists including cyborgs father silent meanwhile steppenwolf attack Atlantis and easily. Just beat the shit out of Aquaman and steals the second mother box which is not really guarded very well. We find out as we go along to the other mother boxes so in Amazon. It was guarded by like a bunch of guards. Big a big palace and everything in Atlantis. It's just like a little room with a couple of guards there and they you know they're which is defense again. This is another seen in this movie. That would have made better with the movie already being out absolutely because they only mentioned it briefly when they talk about the three boxes being given to the three groups is that you see them above water. You know anything and it goes. Oh the ATLANTANS driven below ground. And that's all they say nice to get a little background on their story and all that yeah exactly and why it's in the water now and all that and makes it harder to defend essentially this is DC you. We don't explain things here man. Just take it at face value and since we were getting to a point where she'll become relevant. I WANNA say the the useless seen only because they don't expand on it more again. I'm talking like this movie should be. Maybe I'm used to avengers movies. That are to fifteen to thirty but the only seen that Lois Lane is in in the entire movie. Outside of you know pre superman coming back is like basically going. Hey we're still in this movie we're going to be relevant later at A. They just do a quick walk by with. Who are Diane Lane just just in the office talking going? Auger side Superman's dead you know. And that's it if they would have done that a little longer like if they try to do the emotional thing where she gets in the car with the dog and you see the sign as she drives away you know maybe have low as their or you know have lowest at the new apartment. You know like church if you're going to introduce them just it's the old thing showing rather than telling and a lot of these cases would have made this movie so much better. Maybe a little shorter. In some instances Yeah it's just yet. The essentially the only reason they're in the scene is to remind you who they are and what their importance is run. And maybe it's just me knowing how these movies work and movies in general but I knew as soon as Bruce talked about his big gun. I was like oh I know exactly what that is again. One of the greatest minds in the DC history is just reduced to a typical gumshoe kind of thing. Yeah you're so smart Bruce. Yeah and it's it's just it's it's it's sad in a sense that it's only because when you put the side by side with the way they did event in terms of you know it's it's hard to keep going back but if felt like like the rushing to get to justice league is what hurt this movie more than any because you don't get you don't have as much story and information to draw on in this movie as you did with avengers the first one because all those movies have been out beforehand. You know you you. Could you had things to pull from to introduce characters yet? Chances in those other movies or other characters could have met each other or learned about other ones Because I want to get to this year because this is when the team starts forming none of them. Short of an introduction of everything happens off screen. She Revenue Reductions. This is Barry. That's Victor Bruce. Diana we're good. What are we doing and then later in the movie? It's like no it. They're like they've been friends forever. Well zoning first of all don't ever apologize for bringing up the superior vendors movie all right. That's that's the gold standard. That's what we hold these kind of on Samba movies too. And that's you know. That's not their fault. Frustrated me and most watching I'll say the hate is slightly overrated for Justice League because I think it's it's as a film if it came out without the avengers here it would have been fine but it's got that comparison that makes it much worse look much worse and it's just like it has to be an executive decision. Last only thing think of is some executive. Just one eight two. I bring you the example not to bring video games into this but It probably works. The same movie in the thought was always with those video game. Magazines was that it didn't matter. You know how much an executive new the game or thought? There was any good. All they wanted to do was walk down the airport. And that's my game point to the magazine Right. You know that these warner brothers. It's Warner Brothers right. That's why brother executives just wanted to walk down and point entertainment weekly and go look. We're doing one of those movies to you know yet. They're you know avengers came out and it was if a vendor's doesn't exist. We're not getting the Snyder cut. And you know this movie just gets forgotten. Yeah there's so many everybody forgets and we're old enough to remember this. There is a whole slew of Superhero Movies for the MC you Yeah you know that came out that we're terrible or you know dependent on like being one of them. Yeah Yeah and Chris Evans. Being in one of the I mean track record is not very good when I if I'm him. I'd never put on another costume again. Just sit there. Make out with day arm arm us and counted as adobe the the thing with the thing with. Aflac is it's what a wildest movie only two that don't suffer from this outside of. I've really want that Sanlam. Five movement probably not going to get it Is that the two that had the chance to publish their characters. Actually come out looking the best. Which is you know Gal. Gadot and Jason Momoa Because there's nothing to compare them to like you know Africa's all those Bruce Wayne's before him that he gets compared to whether you like all of them are not and Robert Pattinson is going to have the same thing. Yeah it's interesting. Oh Yeah I mean. Everybody hates US before. Eighty nine Batman came out. That's still my favorite to this day. Yeah so I it's like you have all that and then superman zero compared throughout but not having a wonder woman outside of when the Carter on the TV show which was completely different character in terms of how they portrayed her You know help you know. Get those character not seem like it was wrong. Timing like I'm saying this drag to the point that if Affleck would have been the Batman after Clooney instead would've been much better you know his performs. Oh this is a better Batman because closer to you. Know it's it's closer to what I you know. No one's Batman which I consider the Christian Bale's performance as Batman That's another podcast discuss That but You Know Batman applic- Batman is the bridge between the to the fact that he came after bail Just makes it look like a worse portrayal. It's like everything else has movies now. That would have been good if it wasn't for this bright. Yeah it's it's tough to follow up but anyway going back. The plot As Mark alluded to the League starts to form and Batman wonder woman. The FLASH ARE SUMMONED BY Commissioner Gordon who is portrayed by J. K. Simmons and his twin was wasted in this movie. Which by the way. I Love J. K. Simmons what you can't have him I. It's not his fault he's got. Take the pay where he gets it. But I don't know it's it's you can't be J. Jodie Jameson an NBA. Commissioner Gordon. I don't know I. I love him in both roles. I think if you know if they were if they had made the Ben Affleck Batman movie and Having J. K. Simmons is Gordon. I think that would have been phenomenal. I I do like Jeffrey Right. I think he's a great actor too. And I think he's going to nail the part of Commissioner Gordon but Yeah I think J K Simmons was wasted and is just another cameo like. Oh yeah this is. What's going to happen if you support the movie? And that's probably the saddest part of not getting a Batman. Movie is not seen Jacob again. It's it's another thing. I was just thinking about this if he would came before Gary Oldman's you know Gordon Right. Mcgaw yeah okay. Yeah I mean I. I don't think I've ever had a problem with any commissioner. Gordon's that have been portrayed to film so I I don't remember the Commissioner Gordon and sixty six Batman but of your run of the mill Irish cop on a wrong. He was like an older man. I'm sorry but he was good too but they they had a cop who just like your your Your beat cop from Victoria Era London so they they assemble on the roof of the GDP d. and Gordon informs them that there have been paradigm and sightings and that they're using an underground based out of nowhere. Cyborg joins the team. Staying at Steppenwolf has father held hostage and is using him to find the last mother box. So after this we get the teen entering I mention go have the one seen made laugh and showed what given the right material as Ezra Miller could do is when they do this classic scene. Where through Chagrin Looks Wayne? Turns around? They're all gone. Why was all of them? That's Batmans and he turns around and flashes. Which is the point know? The flash is still there and it was oh they all vanish just made more sense of Admin and then the rest of the the team like what happened in Gordon could say he tends to do that. I mean that's again. It was another one of those where it could have been much better. It could have been there have been funny or if it was just Batman doing because everyone knows Batman does that. It's an every movie and except I didn't know wonder woman was Super. Stealthy cyborg is a frigging machine and was able to move as we talk through it. I think it would have been better if it was CYBORG. And Flash left behind. Because they're the Diana yeah. At least I am bruce like she would know he does that so she would do it to right sort of thing and the most again. They're they're senior members. They've been heroes the longest the other two. Are there greenhorns? You know so I just. It was just a funny humor. Seen that Almost was perfect. Almost had it so now we cut to the team entering the underground facility where they fight their way to Steppenwolf. Here we see Batman getting his ass handed to him by some para demons. And you know as I alluded to. This is a theme of the movie. Where Batman one of the greatest fighters and one of the greatest minds in the DC universe is just kinda thrown away as the aging man that he is Flash helps rescue the scientists and eventually steppenwolf corners the heroes and is able to flood the facility. Luckily there must have been some fish. Nearby because aquaman arrives to drive back the water allowing our heroes to escape which admittedly it was. Kinda cool see seem burst out of nowhere and stop the water but again. How did he know who they were there? He was thousands of miles away. He could have been halfway around the world. Yeah it's another. It's another like cool. Seen that looked good on paper they just didn't make the connection right to again. Yes it's that would have worked. Had there been an aquaman movie. You know that establishes Oh the Queen King Blah Blah Blah. So you know. After steppenwolf steals the mother box aquaman could have gone to the Queen. Or whoever you know Willem Defoe and just you know willing to focus told them Arthur you know I know this is in our fight but you need to go and get that mother box back and help out. I we get is amber heard saying you know your mother would do it. You have to do it right. And it's essentially the explanation like like. I said I know we keep talking about because we both are Anti Snyder. I think it's safe to say but the I know we keep talking about things. Make movie longer doing a fine time. A fine job of doing that. Why are they need? Like I'm saying like to fifteen. Where the extra fifteen minutes because this movie off I check the time at like forty five minutes To see what was left. And you know at fifteen minutes where it's like a couple like three to five minutes. Seen explaining things like him meeting with people of the Amazon. You know I mean of of Atlantis or you know a little bit more of the Amazonian you know as a little bit more of star labs at you know. It's just day they seem to think you come with the knowledge already to something. The avengers does not you know. Marvel Marvel Boo sometimes like an eye rolling for those of us. That know those characters better Explain everything said nothing is missed. Gripe I'll even even if play we've seen it a thousand times thousand different origin stories You know they find a way to do it. And so you're not guessing. Oh why can Peter do that or you know? Why does why is hoped the way he is or you know like anything like that here? It's just let to. Oh you remember from the Comic Star Labs. That's the thing that was in. Yeah they'll know. Yeah Yeah it's not really this. This movie definitely suffers from pandering too much to the hardcore comic Fan and not enough to the average moviegoer where a lot of this is where a lot of DC fans will say. Oh you know marvel so cookie cutter. Let's because marvel will explain and tried to pander not pander but try to open the movie up to not just the comic book Nerds Pool No like. Oh that's from issue. Whatever like part the the famous Spiderman Seen when the the building falls on top of him and he's able to lift the building up from just sheer will buy. That's famous. That's a famous panel from spider man and from civil war where cap and Ironman. They you know you have that big splash panel where they meet in the middle. That's a famous panel where whereas this is just like Yeah Comic Comic Book Fans Are GonNa know this but all right about me. I don't know where this is from like. The biggest thing is that they also which marvel movies do not do. Most of the time is they expect to At least the first offenders we did this the other ones at that point. They're like if you're joining us at age of Altron and you haven't seen any other movies before this. What are you doing all right point? It's like at least watch adventures. You know hold your hand so long. Yeah like maybe maybe. We should've seen Batman vs and for this. But you say there's no real but maybe that's what they were trying to do like when this this movie also makes you have to have watched wonder woman unless they go into it in Batman v Superman deeply and I apologize if they do but just throw out. The you know Chris Pine character you know just by name mentioned for few sentences. And that's it lights used to create a little turmoil with the team. And it's just kinda like well at a nowhere. I guess we have to show them being at odds with one another words. It's not really earned whereas in the vendors you know it wasn't you start to get the uneasiness like right. Outta the gate. No-one trust each other. Here's here's a simple chains that I just thought of while we were talking the easiest way to explain that to a casual audience would be when Bruce Diana having their fight where she pushes them you know into the thing for whatever she not into. Is You have cyborg. Who has all the information in his head? Why not have flash lean in and go talking about you know or something and he just leans in and says like a sentence or two about the guy. Oh It's this guy. He was a World War Two while. We're one person and you know he dating dating. Yeah whatever like just quick and it was flashes setup. The be that right you know and he can go. He's the audience he could be the yet. That's marvelous baron. Anything they pick one person Most of the time. It's happy in some You know to just be that if you need somebody to wait what you know right. There's someone there to help. Fill in the gaps. And that's all they needed to do for that again I'll be interested to see the reviews on a center cut to see if he does stuff like that. Because he's not going to get any re-shoots he's got to do what he adds with it So even if you can get them in for voice over I don't know eighty are I don't even know what he can do but Yeah it's just it's just simple stuff like that where they were. I think they were more worried about. They wanted to be the word in. You mentioned this. We're the movie for the Comic Book Fan. You know not like marvel you now. They were trying to get that instead of seeing that. There's enough room for both movies to be ridiculously well received when saying one can't be better than the other. Yeah I mean there's families out there that stopped the other which has style cadavers. You know that's why most of the Snyder people exist is a sense that for the most part there are people that really want this movie to be good. Have nothing to do with mark. I love these characters. I really want to be good. That's fine they can hold their open the cider they may be right who knows but the ones that that me the most online are the ones that want the Snyder. Cut The be good. So bad marvel's face yet go to show. Dc is better. I've said it since I was a kid reading the comics. Yup You know they. They just wanted to so they can rub it in their the casual fans face that this is a real superhero movie and I think that's this January's and that's where a lot of movie comes across and we'll get to that as we move into the The big reveal of this movie is coming up not too by the way the way they find. The third was hilarious. Go ahead so anyway I was just going to say After the fight cyborgs able to recover the third mother box as the team analyzes. It go ahead. Yeah he's like. Oh Yeah We. We have the whatever's yeah. It's been in star. Labs all yet. We've the pair of demons were Steppenwolf was overlooked. So as they're analyzing the Cube Bruce conclude that with a strong enough blast. It could bring superman back from the dead claiming the world needs them. Why they don't use wonder woman I. I don't know I guess boobs. Maybe that's why she could be the beacon hope for the world's right he says that but you know that she needs to be the leader. Why didn't you know why do you hide away? She needs to be the leader of the team but not what the world needs they see. I took it a difference where the you can lead the team whereas you know you're not really good enough to bring the world. Hope she's just as powerful as superman and longer. I think I think he's just desperate at this point Batman and he is obviously processing his guilt over the death of Superman Chom. I think his point was when I initially made the point. Then the second speech with her is where he actually does really well. The first the first time you mentioned that I think he. That's when they had their little fight. The essentially says the you just went away for like a chunk of time after your lover died. You know like you could have been like superman saving the world and you know giving home you hit away. It's great because at the after the end of wonder woman you know. She talks about how she's going to be there to to help man but she misses out on World War Two the at Phnom and then she just decided to come back in the eighties. This seems like a pretty happening time. I hang out. Eighty four is actually going to show her doing stuff during that time which will be completely wreck on this by the way I don't I don't trust him that now like I'm just saying like he even said that she went away until Luther showed the photo. Whatever she went into hiding then they're gonNA have wonder woman eighty four which legal malls are around now. I can go shopping girl stuff boy but it's going to be. I'm telling you wonder woman for is going to be. Obviously on a much worse day will be much better than this movie is going to make a billion dollars So after some initial pushback from Diana we get a hilarious scene of and cyborg digging up Superman's body. Nothing's funnier than exhuming bodies right. Yeah I do. I do like the human moment from Barry here we turns to Victor and goes you know I could have been done this a lot faster. You know by myself but it doesn't seem right to me. It's just misplaced humor. You know Really should have been a very solemn you let you let it sink in like the repercussions of what can happen here and just like. How far are we willing to go? I think yeah we're we're I was GONNA say we're essentially desecrating the desecrating. The grave of the greatest hero ever made. And you know. They're cracking jokes about it. Oh yeah okay. I think that's what they were trying to get was reason. He didn't do it like you normally is because he respected the body so much but they just didn't know how to tell that without using an I've watched just Sweden. You know since buffy solely it was one of those you know. He couldn't tell that story without throwing a little like wink. Your little little snarky. One liner Alfred has a few of those in this movie where there's no reason for him to say it snarky line Any makes a double entendre at one. Point in the film which felt very weeden but You know like that whole scene is supposed to be would've been better with those two. They almost got there. This movie is a lot of almost got there. There was the making of stuff there and I'm sure Snyder fans like well. That was Snyder's vision. If it makes you feel you can make that scene longer. When be better my almost there is that it needs to be rewritten and reshot to work. Because it's the perfect opportunity to have two of the new people you know one you know is Kinda Geeky. Socially awkward you know and Victor was as star Professional Professional. You know he was a high school football high school football player probably very popular very social butterfly and two ops a character sitting there superbowl body like just they could have had a very song conversation about what they were doing how they got here. You know you know. This is fucked up. Isn't it all the stuff going? They drew the short straws essentially. Yeah and it's just like and essentially all becomes joke about. Barry could have done it in two minutes and right and and by the way. That is the simplest casket I've ever seen in my. He was a simple man who was a man of of Of Small Tastes I. Guess you're symbolized smallville taste right. It's just in a little box you know. Here's a simple simple wooden box. That's he's not he's not Superman mad at all so I was almost half expecting the body not in great so they they bring the body to Tony Ship for in. It's still in the middle of metropolis for whatever reason for men of steel. Which is the dumbest thing ever because it destroyed metropolis and manage deal then doomsday comes out of it and almost destroys metropolis again. You think after that like all right maybe we should move this out of here and maybe maybe maybe we'll see central city or right central city. Right yeah central city if they have any report and there's gotta be somewhere for this giant ship where we can. I mean in Batman v Superman. They make a point to show that. There's a piece of land that's uninhabited for the big final fight. So they could moved there so am by the way. I think it's another thing that hurts the movie snowfall of the movie at all. This is one of the few things no fault of this movie is the fact that DC is set on fictional ten cities. I think hurts it as lot of marvel stuff is actually in the real world right now so trying to figure out like where is metropolis comparative across the river from Goddamn city and in central cities over? Here like Tryin. It's essentially I guess it's New York. It's the tri-state area. I Guess Right New Jersey Connecticut. Yeah I'm assuming if you're talking. Big cities like met Big Metropolitan New York philly. Boston is essentially the the the proximity essentially. Yes in terms of. I'm assuming in terms of city breakdown. It's probably more like Chicago. See and New York. Yeah I probably I know Gotham in Chicago and New York. Kind of amalgamation. Yeah I feel Gotham closer to Chicago. Maybe it's just the no-one having those establishing shots the river Ralph in Chicago and at metropolis would seem more like a New York. and You know I never thought about cyncial city but I would imagine that. Sounds like it would be more of a political. Dc type hope. I'm not one hundred percent sure of it either but you might be right. Yeah but that's the other thing is that he cities. I've no I like I can't fathom distance and then at an also I think there's a real Russian city they have this movie or the seeming reference the Russia right. Yeah they do go to Russia so that is Russia is Canon in DC. Yeah Yeah so. They needed to know that. Yeah and they they get on this ship and this explanation you can go ahead and say what happened here right so they lower clarks body into the gene pool in the crypt. Tony ship and again team Kinda wonders. Oh you know. Is this a good idea? What if he freaks out to which bruce slightly says? I have a contingency plan and everyone in the theatre knows its lowest lane. There's there's no big gone that's an actual gun or it's not Kryptonite or anything like that. Its Lowest Land. And why else your early right? So they're Through the speed of the flash running fast enough touching the mother box as it hits the gene pool it successfully bring Superman back. Who immediately flies off groggy? Not Knowing where he is but shirtless and buff and sexy and the League goes to confront him just to let them know. Hey are we cool. We're we're buddies and Clark seats to prove why the world really doesn't need the league as he makes short work of them. Yeah I was gonNA thing like does all of them go. I bring guests and Diana Diana and probably Batman but I mean we get to that in a little bit. It's it's cool scene where Superman doesn't really know what's going on. And he perceives the Justice League as a threat and he just mopped the floor with them it. There's a good meam where it shows the the poster of the Justice League Aquaman wonder woman Flash Batman CYBORG AND ABOVE IT. It says it's I'm ruining it. It's a picture of Superman. And above. It says ninety nine percent the battery life. It's ninety nine percent and then with the rest of the Justice League makes it one hundred percent I mean that's essentially what becomes of this movie now. The Justice League is useless. There joke now Superman's back and he just just totally annihilates them you know he he throws them all around he's able to catch the flash. Who's moving at you? Know at superhuman speeds the way that that's actually where his is the starts that earn and the only cool seen in. This is Kathy or Barry Space Yoko. Shit but I chuckled at that. So I I give this movie one point for that. So congratulations so Batman arrives at the scene. Superman immediately realizes. Hey you're the guy who got me killed. picks them up a Threats to kill him in his British accent. I don't know if anyone else notices that. He slips accents there and this is when Batman calls in for the big gun and lowest shows up so I in in a they wanted the audience and not shows up in a May back. A maybach Bruce. A super rich her getting out of the car and I'm like Oh they must've sponsored just center of the screen it says you know. Maybach couldn't couldn't have just gone with a taxi. Attacked her in. So Superman sees lois and throws the Empty Batman pseudo aside and he goes to lowest picks up and flies back to Smallville while this is going on the Justice League forgets that the mother box just totally left alone here and Steppenwolf this of stuff stars upon I go. I'll take this and and yep see later. And then he just by an expert mother box by so he just he screws off to wherever he's going to go and the rest of the League like. Oh man probably should've kept an eye on that that off so now the the Justice League get together. They realized that they are. They're kind of screwed Superman's in the wind. But they realize cyborgs able to pinpoint where they're going and it's to a Russian town where Steppenwolf is prepared to unite three boxes to call in apocalypse. Yeah so go the what I wanted to say with the and it goes back to again another three minutes seen or that they could have put in a movie. Is I know. They wanted to reveal of lowest but so obvious who who he means. Yeah like just have the scene. Like have have bruce going to explain to lois. What is planning and like like as she steps out of the car. Flashback for you know what already you went. It would've made more sense if this was the first time we see Lois Lane in the movie because we already established that. She's in that we're never going to see her again. Come on we know. That's not so it would have been cool like you said maybe Bruce Kinda goes to to lowest and he says you don't even have to explain the plan just like he knocks on the door. She answers it and he goes. I WanNa talk to you about something and then cut away so I mean just so. We know that he's not just doing it to be selfish. He's got the okay of Lois. Lane. I'm thinking you know as someone who's watch lot of movie you could even do. You know she steps out of the car. Do Quick. Flashback knocking on the door. Him saying I talked to you about something. Can I come in explained? And then just have a quick sentence of her going. Are you sure a? You'RE GONNA come back fine with all the stuff that you know. Diana said Diana's basically said Olo lines by the way in this explanation You know sure it's GonNa come back. Yeah I I think once he sees you or you know I think you can help with that and then go back to the scene like that's it like. I'm not saying you need these grandiose. Make a three hour movie like just a little. Even if it's a quick stylized flash of flashback like SORTA like chopped up edited. If you know what I'm saying sure that sort of flashback. In that moment you know or even have an intercut like jump cuts as she's walking towards them a bruce asking her and that could have been. You don't need that stuff early moving you know and it. It works better and there. You will eliminate a five minute seeing an ad one and you keep the same length time but I guess they wanted they needed the pay Diane Lane or the next thing coming up So she wanted to be in two scenes right three saints. Technically as you alluded We find Clark back in smallville. He's on the farm with lowest. And they have you know they have a nice scene together and again. There's some corny jokes thrown in there for no reason and then we cut back to the league preparing for the climactic battle realizing that they're in over their heads and they get the you know the suit up scene where Batmans got a weird suit on. Everyone's preparing for battle and I don't want to gloss over it but I thought it was really good Having you know a Arthur do the whole speech he gave at an John Alaso I. I'm too harsh on this movie. I hated that. Oh like Oh yeah. Cool 'cause I knew I knew something was up when he turns and he goes in you. You're gorgeous all right. That's sort of like he would say. Oh Yeah I don't think he would have said that loud and Maria Della her reaction would normally you would think she would get offended but she knows what's going on at all really and then they do it answered you think the do doing in and breaks glass overhead catfight so as their traveling to the final destination they realized that there is a sort of force field surrounding the site. The silo were Steppenwolf is but Bruce tells the team that has a plan to get in and believe it or not. It's just him committing suicide. That's great plan of Batman Again master-strategist charge head first stiff. They kill me kill me and I love how I look out. Arthur is the one that goes wait. So you're playing was the die stupid again. I don't know who wrote the Batman character in this Snyder. Weeden but you know fuck you guys and service and also that Protective Dome Thing. They they get through it. You can only do that in Russia by Russia over you. You know so it naturally. Yeah as your Saint Petersburg not right. I think the problem here is that they try to have a human element to the fight here because they it seemed from the eyes of the heroes and a A family like who cares you introduce these people for no reason to go the Superman San to be on? Yeah and again it's pointless. We don't know how many people are there. It looks deserted because it's a shit of town nuclear power plant right. I my God. There's so many people here okay. Where did that come from? We just saw the one family but they battle their way to Steppenwolf and again are easily overpowered until Superman arrives. And you get the classic get the Classic Superman theme which was kind of cool. I in mind that And again this is a huge problem. Superman Superman comes out of nowhere. And he's game genie. You know the game at this point you put in the Cheat Code. You have the Konami Code in there and the the games done you're you're GonNa win you put on God mode so the League you know. The League does nothing up into this point except get their asses. Kicked and Superman shows up in cy young. You know we can kinda mop up while Superman take care of step in and essentially that he does the shows up kicks the kicks his ass and also I loved it Step with knows he's from Krypton but yet has not prepared for that so I guess because he does make all the CRYPTO. Nian you know yeah you would think that. Even he thinks he's dead. You know at this point Bedroom like you know. Maybe I should have some kryptonite around. May I don't know or you would think he's strong enough to at least put up a fight right. Yeah because he's Steppenwolf is a relative of dark side so I mean I think he's a new God saw and he's still strong superman. Wipe the floor with this guy. He's like he's nobody yet. I also like how they spent. God's real fast I like how they ended opening scene where they all fight Him Back and they're like yes in the gods joined us and don't explain who those guys are if you're just supposed to suspect ago. I guess that's right. Aries shows up. But it's not a British man. If I didn't know my history I would have no idea who these were that you showed up. You know. That's that's standard for the DC right. Just oh look at all this cool stuff. What is it? Don't worry just it's cool. Did IANNA GO and some say even the gods like Zeus and whatever show but okay right. Yeah how cool is that? Zeus fighting alongside of green lantern. I digress and the but I love that he comes in and kicks ASS Spiderman a sputtering. Jesus Superman Grit Spiderman showed up and then spiderman shows under ruse and Spiderman. Zips down Actually yeah he kicks all kinds of asset any goes citizens and leaves and I. It would have been great. It's a PG thirteen movie. But just like to cut the Batman going off faulk got the thing that can beat up steppenwolf and he just balancing. Steppenwolf state and I'm Batman is too busy. Just get in his ass handed to buy you know. And he's using a gun again. God this movie gets Batman all wrong. It's terrible I don't know why People WanNa see more of this. Show the gift of him being like an old man when he gets off the ground do a Justice League was worth it just for the scene. I disagree heavily as we're almost at the end. God Willing God damn it. So as mark alluded to superman helps flash Evacuate some citizens. He carries building which would have collapsed under its own weight and Cyborg is able to. Oh Superman evacuates and help cyborg pull apart. The MOTHER BOXES FROM UNITING WHICH. I got to say that that was actually in my opinion. Some good dialogue there where you know. He's explaining what's going on. And then he says as Superman says something expensive Big Bang. Gwinnett happens and he goes. Yeah but I think we can handle it you know. Sorta like we're a lot stronger than the rest of them in turn taking this. You know sort of like a good. A Good Wigan nod. It would have been ranch. Superman died immediately after that like. Oh my God we lost them again son of a bitch within your dad. The weeded humor when he's on the ground he's like. I take it back right. I mean that it was kind of like a buddy cop moment like oh that was way worse than I anticipated. It was like the scene from the other guys when they they get caught in the explosion. I Oh my God that hurts so much. How do people walk away from this yet? Yeah like I've gone for the humor but at the the actual solemn moment like that's like dramatic moment of him going. Okay I'm doing. I'm separating these you gotta help me push them apart and there's GonNa be a big boom and we'll be good but I think we're good at thumbs up. Yes sure it was the first time in this movie when a plan was explained at everybody was onboard right like and it made sense like. I don't understand the what cyber could do get it done. But his thing was I can separate them. You're strong enough to pull them apart. Let's do this Rah. Let's do. This is an excellent plant. I'm glad to be a part of it. So after the mother boxes pulled apart steppenwolf now consumed by fear is overrun by his own para demons and he's just kind of disappears after that. I think he's I guess he's brought back to apocalypse. They never really say. I don't know a question where Superman get the power to be cold. Oh He's had that for quite a while. Okay Yeah. He wasn't ones. I know. Yeah he even has that in Superman returns with Brandon routh. Yeah but yeah. That's they didn't just make that up. He's had that for decades. I think So after the after the fight we get a whole. You know rundown of where our heroes are. Bruce buys back the Kent Farm for Clark saying he bought the bank that bought the farm where he could really just bought. Bought a farm again But I guess he needs to flex it does lead to a good line from if delivered better would have landed is car goes. Why don't you do that and he goes? I don't know it's a reaction like like through. His reaction is not to just do the one thing it's like you said the flex or just you know he could. He just bought out the foreclosure or bought the house itself. Now who says like you know fuck it? I don't want this ever happened again. Anybody I'm buying the entire right and then Wayne enterprises goes under because he has too many He gets sanctioned by the government for having a monopoly and it just a legal battle. Go the the the mets beat the Yankees. What did you do Bruce? I bought the Yankees the mets and the Yankees Yankee McShane we also get a shot of Diana in Bruce going to Wayne Manor. Bruce says he's going to rebuild it as a sort of base of operations and says that will add a table that could be They'll have more members. Yeah because they think they're getting a sequel to this God awful mess Clark returns to the daily planet and no one questions where he's been because the people in metropolis or just idiots I guess. Oh it's convenient that you came back. Same-day Superman came back. I can't coincidence right. Yeah so. Is there some significance going without its glasses? I don't know if they're GONNA pay that off that they will never get it. But I don't know couldn't tell you I just think it was laziness We see the flash gets a job at the at the police station where he's going to help free his dad again and to his origin story. In this movie right yeah. It would've been cool to get to get that before this. But what can you do and then we get a post credits scene with an awesome death stroke that would have been cool to see Joe Manganiello and then Jesse Eisenberg. Unfortunately reprises his role as LEX. Luther probably the worst lex luther. And that's with Kevin Spacey Being Luther. Yeah I mean we have to separate the actor art in this case I'm not even doing that. The Guy who molested someone was a better lex luther than Jesse. Oh boy that's how that's how terrible Jesse is and I think. We both agreed in our chat about this. That the only way to have saved the seen as not having to see. Eisenberg be Lex Luther was to have him used the word. Legion right the Legion of doom. Yeah yes it's go just go. It sounds like they want to start a league saying we should start one of our own you know yet. That sounds like something like a bully. Kid would say like. Oh you started your own clubhouse while I'm GonNa make my clubhouse in central yeah essentially with your dome but just to sticking with their. We're working with the Primers. Sticking WITH THAT LINE. He could have went. I heard starting a League or whatever will. Why don't we gather a legion or something like that? You know a league a legion or something like that even gone. Yeah something could've said almost anything else infinitely cooler than we're GONNA make our own league yet. It's just today not know if they had the rights to the Legion of doom. They has to have. It's it's a warner brothers. Come on I know. It's just like it makes no sense why he doesn't like if you're catering to the comic book fans just dropping the Word Legion You Know is enough like they know they have no idea. But even the Harley Quinn animated series uses the Legion of Doom Day mentioned the legion of doom everything jokers. They're likes luther. They're black mantis are black. Manta's there I mean. Just use the legion of doom dummies. Yeah that's the Shit. That is the Cherry on this shit someday. Yeah it's amazing that you know as good as as much as I say. Good as much as I enjoyed birds of prey compared to this polka trash That watch today. They all the movies I've seen. Even men of steel seems to like the US the at its best like just about get there doesn't either get to. The liner exceeded like marble. Like what sea level Avenger will be. He's a founding member so character you know what I I remember movie with. You know already J. at it just like boom. He's like eight. Oh yeah overnight. He's the number one comic characters. Yeah and it's just like you have you. Could've you could've done that with you. Had the talent to do with at least two of the people in this movie to exceed their level on scale Jason. Momoa tries his best and I hear he does a good job of it. Inadequate Ma'am Yeah. He's finding Aquaman and again. That movie solid movie. Do I think it was worth a billion dollars? No It's a CGI fun fest. But again I mean that's most action films but he's okay. Yeah but he he exceeds what you aliments always joke Dave and make them the bud jokes how they make Batman the butt of the jokes. Well the one that says one. Is You talk the fish I talked to fish. You know so. His performance increase it. And if they really just done more with the as Miller Flash. He has the talent to have exceeded the the expectation Barry Allen. But they don't do any of that. They just seem that it's enough that these people are here like they showed up. Give us our six hundred million dollars or more. I'm going to tell them how to make this movie better. And it's real simple and it's GONNA. The Snyder cuts going to do the opposite of it. You don't have superman. He just died. You have to earn getting him back getting him. Back immediately is a terrible T. It's just it's not earned If you because it renders the Justice League moot They do nothing throughout this film except get their asses kicked and just bumble around And in Superman shows up in cleans up so what you do is the world lost. Its greatest hero. Now you have the Justice League to kind of pick up the slack where you know the world can feel safe again like oh you know. Super Man's not here but there are still heroes out there. The age of the hero is still with us. We have other people to look up to Getting Superman back. This is like all right. Well who needs these other guys around back so bringing Superman back in the next movie? Yeah you could have made this without again without seeing Batman v You could make this be like quote unquote dark middle chapter like maybe they lose made. This is the empire strikes back. This is infinity war. You know you know steppenwolf succeeds. An apocalypse shows up at the AGO. Man Like now we're in over our head. You know we gotta get Superman back exactly. Yeah a hundred percent. That's how you do it. And that's essentially saves most of this movie because you not most of it. There's plenty of other problems within a lot of it has to do with you. Know not trying to be original and trying to be too much like marvel at times Is that you take all that Superman Time. Out of the film added to making people care about the other characters in this film And it's a better The reason the reason endgame has such impactful moments even though I think we're both agree. Infinity wars the better movie Is that? They earned all that from what they did in the previous movie. Of course you know. Everything built everything. Doing this movie does not build off. As far as I can tell Batman v Superman at all the bay through as much as they could just to get to the Justice League. It showed it was it was very sloppy. The plot was all over the place. It it was very incoherent. It was just like Oh look. Here's wonder woman remember like a part of this now like all right here's doomsday what. Why is what what's going on here? You know like Bambi Superman. I think had the best was the good first step because there's only the three of them Like get the three together. How did they meet finally figured out? An this movie could have been for the other three or at worst. You have the Individual aquaman flash movies in between right introduced them and then the new character for this movie is Cyber Chur at you. You you learn about him star labs and all that you know in this. The problem with what's going to happen is and you know what I hope. The Snyder cut fans enjoy the movie. I don't think there's anything to really salvage from this wreck. they're gonNA add like oh how? Jordan's GONNA BE IN THE MARTIAN. Manhunter IS GOING TO BE GONE. Will they're just GONNA mention them they're they. They don't affect the plot of the movie. They're not showing up at the final battle. Oh they're gonNA show a pocket awesome. It's not gonNA matter because you're not gonNA get anything out of it you're just GonNa see him cares at that point. Did that would be like if marvel had bomb and like all will. We're going to show you thanos but we didn't get a chance to our great. Thanks for that I guess yeah. Yeah and just if they would've had stepping win quote unquote and Apocalypse. Like the end of the movie is him landing You know sort of like how the snap yet you infinity so you would have beaten marvel to that big twist like. Oh Shit the heroes loss. Yeah Yeah and then you just scramble late. Infinity Ward didn't end game for the first hour or less depending on what your mandate was. And that's when you get the flash point you you have the flash be more pivotal character. Where he is sent back to try to warn Bruce or whoever and it makes sense it ties into Batman V. Superman this is just. Yeah or even you could even tie into that where superman becomes like a dictator and bringing him back was the wrong thing. So there's so many things to do right and they just did the wrong thing. They they did a cookie cutter movie and you know it suffered for it. I have no sympathy for Zach CIDER. Snyder cut fans because this movie was garbage. Why you would want more of it is beyond me I get. I mean I. I Love Batman. I'm a huge Batman Fan. I liked Gal. Gadot wonder woman I enjoy seeing them. Play these characters but there's nothing there's nothing to salvage here all right cool you're gonNA get Superman in the black outfit. Whoop de do you're going to get some CGI awesome. Is it really worse? Worth spending thirty plus million dollars me. No but it depends on how much. Hbo Mascots Bright. And I think I think they're really banking on people. I don't know Adrian Go. Hbo Hbo. Max when does it end? But I digress. That is two thousand Seventeen Jack Snyder Slash Josh. Sweden's just it was a mess I hated it. I Orji no points and may God have mercy your soul. Would you like to plug anything? Yeah we'll do it real fast steps running long as we tend to do. You don't have anti keep us in line. Exactly as stranger Jamie's airs every Wednesday and new episode operate before this And they cost movie new episode aired on Monday And then we have The final fantasy seven remake spoiler cast is going up on Wednesday. You can get both of those on itunes Google play anywhere you get a podcast You'll be able to just search the name and find it So you've got those look forward to Twitter instagram. You know all that stuff Be Sure to you know. Con- follow us there The gamble pod cast has a YouTube Channel Which you can find on the twitter feed Just go there. Like subscribe to all the share all the good stuff you do on Youtube And then just Yeah Yeah we're we're you know. Were getting pretty close to you. 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THE NERD ON! UPDATE: Cyberpunk 2077, Ikoria, Justice League Dark

Nerd On! The Podcast

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THE NERD ON! UPDATE: Cyberpunk 2077, Ikoria, Justice League Dark

"In in this update degrees wind. Hey what's up? Everybody welcome to the Neuron. Update where we talk about the things that we're interested in in the nerd sphere and the we answers some questions from you guys which would love the way because we ally what comes to character. Oh Yeah it's it's a little off as we don't use the cupping of hands anymore. I feel like now. We're we're just like if you know what it is now you know you know hands hockey so Kayla. She started us off then. Yeah so the for several months from the end of the year into this year. I have been working on adaptation. I think I've talked about that before. And it's it's taken foreign show and you take the rough translation. And then you make it fit the little mouthy flaps so a couple of those shows that I worked on are actually out now on net flicks so the first one which I literally have to read because the name is so very long. It's Willy and the Guardians of the lake tales from the lakeside winter adventure It is equally as long of a movie. But it's also cute It's like Little nymphs protecting the forest and I know that's the wrong word. There called varies But very cute It's Cute movie you watch it. It's horrible and then the other one is a series of French series called Vampires Which is like teenage angst and like a different take on being a vampire as like kind of more of a human condition and then lots lots of angst. It'll be right up your alley time. We'll sounds like it's sparkle sparkling no sparkling But yeah those if you guys are looking for something to binge those are two things that are in existence in my name is attached to them on Netflix. Yes they are streaming on Netflix route. So I will turn this. I could go next. Mine is going to be two things Because on the Resin DC. I'm saying but the first thing that's actually not a DC super related thing Donnie. Cates if you are familiar with his work on done both of two worlds were for both sides of Marvel and DC but currently he's doing I think currently still doing hulk and a what I really wanted to talk about is the the cool generosity that he's Exhibited through this time we talk a lot about comics and comic stories needing help During Quarantine and staying at home and everything like that and comic stores which is really a tough retail business to begin with Are Hurting even more now. And these are some of the biggest franchise come from where I was from the bookstores and so he has a store up in I believe is Texas and he what he did for the store that he owns. was pay for everyone's pool list and so everyone gets to be like. Hey I know issue. This of this of this. Combo is coming out and so they'll go to combat owner and say I want to put this on my pool so the more you get it shipped pull one for me put in my box and since diamond distributing which stopped. It's been tough and also has just been tough for people to come into complex stores because of just a risk What he decided to like. Hey Comic store give everyone what they wanna read. Just give it to them. And they'll pay it they don't have to pay for it because typically you have boxing is cool. I'M GONNA pay for this one for this paycheck. I'll pull these five for this next paycheck and you'll have your box. So he paid for his pobox but this also one act of kindness leads to another and Kevin Smith actually under the same thing for his secret stash up in Jersey his location and Flanagan Walt Flanagan. Who's his business partner. Said like this is the time where people are gonNA like need normalcy. And so he did the same thing he said. I'm GONNA pay for everyone's pool and I think those are the kind of acts of generosity that individuals corporations are very e. r. It's harder for them to do you know they. They may have accumulated wealth. But they don't have like a trust or somebody that like a company might and then the last bit is going to be some cool huge Things are going to be a J. D. Abrams called an order for. Hbo Max Series for Justice League dark into other original shows or ones and adaptation to more shows on HBO MAC and HBO. Max is kind of becoming this Breeding ground like if you WanNa make an expensive comic book or at like a adapted works show. This is the the network to do with And we've received that with watchmen and I'm just really excited. Because a lot of people myself included are GONNA be really excited to see possibly characters like Constantine as well as swamping joined the fray and this the justly dark concept came from the new fifty two era and Jim Lee talked about. Where like this idea that vertigos being thrown back in the loop and so now we have all gathered in this place where they Are The key part of the counterpoint. To or the counterparts of the where Justice League fight off alien invasions and the I guess our worldly stuff where the dark side justly dark full face. More missed supernatural so I if you check it out and the animated universe enemy to fill universities coming to an end with Justice League dark film dark dark side war so I it sounds you know. Those are the dark side war. Know what's going to happen? But it's like the DC animated universe has been very different from how the comics. I've been so it's been very better for worse. Yeah that I definitely took from. That was like it's exciting. Especially since like the Green Lantern News as well. I'm just excited that like it. Seems like finally they might have a platform you know speaking of DC. They might have a really strong platform that can fund them that it has a lot of huge subscribe as talking about. Hbo Like it's cool that they have this platform now to really enable out of this creativity. I think that was kind of part of the struggle before right. Getting people like maybe Cw is one spot they have but as far as television as I've managed had the DC universe APP cracking a WBZ. Yeah no this thing. So it's nice that they have like this platform kind of like Disney. It's almost like they have that Disney Monday now to work with bringing it up to the level of HBO Production Value. And all this stuff. So I think it's a little interesting too because now we'll have green lantern blue blue beetle. I think there might be booster gold and now we'll have justly dark but then the thing. Hbo It's been for a long time and it's always been this high Polish TV area. It's kind of brand new. But then you have the Disney name attached to it. Where like all the other D- Dc CW FOX NBC and Miss. You anymore just like you know. Platform isn't an issue anymore audiences in issue because it streaming so you can get away with certain things and being more mature so now do what you you know. This is your time to shine. It's interesting Josh. Thanks Couple of quick quick things X. Box one x cyberpunk twenty seventy seven theme console looked so it looks like it's got the game though. I'm assuming that it's going to be released. Legitimate question yes. That's a legit questions. Sometimes they don't legit progression But it's got glow in the dark. It's laser etching a blue. Led Lights at the front and custom panels. It Looks Dope Soda. It's the most exciting thing that I have to immediately Like pass you know what I mean. It's like five thousand dollars. Yeah usually it's really pretty thing I wanna Porsche can. Maybe second like maybe able to make it happen. But then it's like visits insinuation. There's no Agassai yeah But also something that I thought that was interesting. It's kind of an addendum to something that already existed the esrb the entertainment software rating board. They created a new label which is in game purchases Parenthetical includes random items and. May they already had in game purchases but found it was too broad and so it's going to be assigned to any game that contains in game offers to purchase digital goods or premiums with real world currency or with virtual coins or other forms of in game currency that can be purchased with real world currency for which the player doesn't know prior to purchase the specific digital goods premiums. They will be receiving so. I like blue boxes. Item packs mystery awards and that kind of stuff so I think it was that. Do a ratings. It's just like when you're like games are going to have that. Like say t for teen or something like that. And that's part of the rating now is that says in game purchases includes random items so because I mean you know you have aid that you had young ends. You have some young ends their pain. Yeah real world money and like it's a for parents or even people to know ahead of time that it's like Oh this includes because it can be like in their saying. It can be likened to gambling a form of gambling that little kike interesting yeah so these kiddy games can say e for everyone they had to say t- because you're GONNA be spending real money for some pre right somebody flying the plane and they're living again all his doors and windows. Okay thank you all. He lives outside. I live I live inside of an empty tissue box that make sense rounding us out cory. What up I got some news. In the magic the gathering World Accordia landed behemoths has dropped on arena and online. It is a fantastic set. So far I've been playing it for the last couple of days. Commit came out on Thursday back the set. Yeah the set came out on this. This is Sunday now. It came on Thursday so just a couple of days ago planet. Huge monsters really great. It's a it's the same If anyone is familiar with magic same color Chard as like The cons of Tar cure which is like you have Just which is red white and blue. You have Is Band which is green white and black and so on and so forth. So a lot of tri-colored theme decks the cool thing about this set specifically though because it is the end of behemoths Wizard the coast has partnered with Toho and made specialty Godzilla themed variants of their giant Monster Cards. And as you battle baby not only that. But they have replaced the name of the card that it's a variant with like Godzilla King of monsters. They have Mothra and stuff like that and underneath. It will tell you. This is taking the place of this card And it's they're absolutely beautiful artworks pieces of art. And you can earn tokens to upgrade your regular cards into the Toho Godzilla versions and I can't explain to you how excited I am when I I have. I have a more because I did a pre purchase. So it's interesting when you see it but when you're playing a deck and you're not expecting it and someone drops Godzilla on you like. It's it's an amazing feeling game. Yeah the physical says not. GonNa come out for a while. They delayed that for a couple of reasons. Include the Corentin but also some manufacturing issues arose. So it's kind of a blessing in disguise but the online world is pop in if you don't know anything about magic hop on twitch some of the best players in the world are on right now because the set just dropped and they're doing all these like different Janke brews and like just trying every card out in a great time to jump into magic is when a new set drops and this is a super fund. One that's awesome nice. Check it out. It's free magic arenas circle free ninety free and for the last part of our show we answer questions from you the audience and you can submit those questions at questions at nerd on DOT TV. You can also reach out to us on any of our social media's Dmz all that good stuff comments. There's also if you join our discord. There is a specific channel in which you can submit your questions there. There's so many avenues. You can ask questions. Like Jeremy Am asks top five celebrity crushes either gender or both and he has a little asterix and I know. Gender is a complex construct and Yada Yada but just top five actor or actress. Crushes assuming explicit binary model based on the way the Oscars do it. Rachel McAdams Rachel McAdams. Since all five right. Yes that's what I thought. I just wanted to double check out. Check Kaelin where. What is yours let's see Jason Momoa Johnny Depp Order descending. I don't know just I'm just rattling the ones out out of my head I'm thinking of when Oh boy I literally can't think of like anybody else when I'm like Hot Damn High. Three's good out for three local. I mean she's pretty but it's that's not like a hello Yeah I don't know I only actually have four. I don't think I can think of a fifth I got I can go. The mine is an order starting with fifth place. He's got this thing that I've got her into our crushes so at least two five buser crush house. I have a spreadsheet so it's like it's the the lowest of the top. Yeah yes exactly yeah. I'm just clarifying evangeline. Lilly is number five okay. He's crush on her since. Last year's Kate Beck and sale mass Gresh Since serendipity oh just testing is that's wrong Scarlett Johansson odd number three now. Obvious reasons Just chess pain number number two And everyone is Hugh Jackman. Good huge man crush on Hugh Jackman because of Walgreen during that time man for a while I got him. I got my fifth Josh. Yeah Okay so K. Back in sale. I've got that there is no order to this. They're all pretty much equal in my heart base for days Kristen Bell huge you a crush on her Emma Watson and I'm an old school musicals guy so I love Shirley Jones Audrey Hepburn So bring snap is that is that five or six. That's five okay. I counted Ron Man. Rushes on Hugh Jackman Idris Elba in a weird one on grant hugh grant. I've got that like like four weddings and a funeral like like early. Hugh grant on my. You're like we can get you so tom quite quite from one in no particular order Nina Dobrev for one for sure van pours number say number Well not nobody can order. So I mean she it. I haven't haven't fixated on this because I don't don't categorize I. I like the human form baby just at least for candor for what for Yeah She does some for me Brie Larson all day all day. Oh Yeah I'd say that's your number one for sure that has And Man who else is I'm thinking I'm honestly I'm looking at my instagram. Like who who I follow them. Like honor their armus. Oh Oh yeah. Oh and the beautiful piano. You know a rim really like a lot really talented individual Now important yeah. I ran nick. Shoot Gin. She began me for for a while from it. Mara for dues for Doodo. Y'All real quick. I mean I would like take it for. I'll be like yo I ain't about me. I got it. I took it because you know it was bragging rights Christian Bale Elba Michael Bender. Jason Momoa way easier for me to go over. These goals a lot more interesting. Just what's really sad is. They're just really poor. Ugly people are just it must be really unfortunate. Had last week last month lease Henry Cavill. I saw there's a man freshly chiseled human being if I was him. Tell US Gamer. Or if I was into guys like that way I would be all henry have to be into guys. Can I recognize the list for sure I I recommend Rozier? Actually I thought of my other two. It's Dave and this Korean actor Jong Illu he was in what is it. Cinderella and the four nights is a K. Drama it's really good. You should check it out on a on all I really enjoy it. I bet you Jay Thompkin actually named my co Corey's I mean let's be real quick. No that was it. She said that was okay Corey. So let's see we got one. It's Rachel McAdams. That's technically one through like Tan. I think real sale. But then I think mel wrong is one yeah Goo Goo Gaga yes She's collar I call it grew Gago. Her name is just Google in our last thing. Mike escapes me at the moment. And then Phi. This is this four. There's four other than the last two or wildcards. I'll be honest. I don't think so. I'm just curious if you could. I got it I knew far. Wow Oh kate kate Winslett. Yeah but it's not from that feel you like or because of your general sunshine. Yeah a hundred percent hundred and then Jason Rest. Okay Yeah Ranger. Roll your eyes or it's train Reynolds Bitch. Shit Zoe dish. Oh I sorry okay. Let's get it. I get it Sir. Basic next question comes from a Gamer Fuji K. Julie Holly she asks what's skilled. You wish you had to day all the people I just mentioned. Same time with one skill that conquer my social anxiety. Yes Nice House that Nice I like? That's that's a that's a skill it is for me. It's a kind of overcoming anxiety. But it's not really social it's more Situational like I get really caught up in even I hesitate really hard with even doing normal things in my life and then it takes like twelve times longer than it would to do anything else so I wish I could i. That was a skill. I wish I possessed trust you. Got More yeah that one better gut feelings. Yeah really good IS BETTER THAN BUBBLE. Gut feelings. If I was being honest it would be a especially these last three weeks. I've been a challenge myself to learn every guitar solo from the album continuum and it has been very hard and very rewarding at the same time but I wish I had that level of skill just innately to write those things guitar playing which is a scene because John Mayer was voted the one of the greatest living tar players of all time So with that. That's the skill. I wish I had. I wish I had the skill to be the greatest living in Tarpley. Yeah that's A. that's a good one. That's awesome to these. Are All really good. Like I'm like I wish I believed in myself more and didn't doubt myself so much. I wish I was better guitar player. My original answer was I wish I could play the piano. Yeah that's a good answer bigger. Here's the thing. I taught myself how to play piano because I could play guitar. Yeah I've heard that it's actually. You can understand music a little bit more and even understand the guitar more when you start playing piano vice versa. Yeah Piano and understanding where the keys are you're like Oh let's literally it's like a different dialect is for sure language. The same language jolly or Tom I can go the skill. I wish I had Immediately knew because it's something kind of what do you like having core and One of those things that I feel like. I'm only discovering about myself because I'm forced to be around myself for so long. So it's it's painting Eight I mean I I know I'm like I went art school and a designer so it's not like Adalah field or anything but it's something that I never got enough opportunity to do In College But I am discovery. I'm not like terrible at it so I've been doing oil paintings on my new. I bet here and now I'm looking at Art Spicer. Thank you nice to that point. You might find the use of different medium that you're really. It's really hard to do. So if you love to do it then just yeah yeah am I. Oh I can like see because I've spent like yesterday spent like three four just like one session of painting I was like Holy Shit and it I was like I can see myself like progressing and potentially progressing more and it'll be fun thing to pursue a Algebra one for me what skilled you wish you had. I wish I had This is a cop out. But it's Kinda like an all encompassing thing. I wish I was as handy as Adam savage like. I've been watching this one day build on tested. I'm like do this dude. Could fuck and make anything with in his life warehouse like that's so dope and the thing I love about is like he's just he's like the Bob Ross of just hardware construction. He stuff you know. He's he's like I'm really excited. He was like when I worked in L. I. Lamb he's like. I'm very pleased with this. I'm like man this. I love this man. Were you mythbusters. Can you know yeah especially being like hometown? Essentially will the cool thing was also as it was the the show that you were able to share your what your parents saying like. I'm watching something educational but it's also really fucking cool. Yeah you know you got A. We were allowed to watch Channel at dinner because it used to be an educational channel and now the now the reality. Tv Show your last question. Last question comes from Spencer he asks showed up during covert. We are all getting opportunities to watch read and consume content. We have wanted to for a while or have had a on hold. What are you using this time for to keep your nerd on hard slot things like I mean? dragged Mosey. You know that's answer. That's the thing that's like. This is the only have to try to get through the entirety of it You're going to save Baba's painting to this. We'll nerd on wall. One kind of in between answer is I am starting to do more like game design stuff by getting in they're coming up with like attack names and mechanics and symbols and level up stuff and all this cool stuff so I can say my my board game stuff. We need to collaborate. Yeah let me say this working class we can. We can all get together and and we can play straight SHUTOUT ROBINSON. Because we'd have to get kyle in on that because that was tech ideas but that's the thing we have to do when we have the add all my mom my game all by myself so we don't get anybody remarried. Josh I actually strangely. I have been watching a lot of stuff. I've had like kind of personal lifestyle. Change recently and so watching stuff was kind of a just trying to change those things up and so I've been playing a lot of video games actually Been Mike Diablo. Three and the new final fantasy seven remake. I've been kind of spending more time on video games and and honestly a guitar Ivan. Picking UP MY GUITAR IVAN. Pushing myself to learn this one song. That means a lot to me and I've just never sat down and done it and so that's what I've been doing is playing Matt and Playing Guitar and Music. Yeah I think that's my answer. Yes I mean. It's like the stuff that you know. These are interests. These are the things that we like. We always objects in. It's like it's it's in reading a line how quickly you can wrap yourself up into your work and getting separate from all that stuff so away like you know dispenses eating a lot more. Which is a huge nerd on place for me. So it's like yeah. Reading is in good stuff. Next Person. Nicer Tommy go whereas standstill. Okay so me For me I mean I. I always equate to having free time like when I was in college and I was taking film courses and then film professors would be like. Why aren't you watching films now and like Bitch because I'm trying to make the films right now so like doing creative stuff. So he's teachers. Yeah I did ask Dr Doug Rice dish you fucking know what the fuck. I'm talking about. Then he would he would shut me and slap me and be like oh for sure that's been on the show. I have a deep love for that man We know when you're making stuffing creating stuff. You don't get a chance to do the stuff that kind of got you inspired to do that So for me. I've been playing a lot more games that I've had but I've never completed so right now. I'm currently playing Legend of Zelda breath wild and it's really and I talked about. I tweeted it where I was like. I really have found it almost like a very nuanced and brand new experience where I've had to learn the rules of what this game is typically have found a lot of games like all right. I got it all right. I get it okay. This is the daily this this you do. This is the high this is data. Abobo have different bells and whistles but like game that truly tried to rewrite your fundamental understanding of what the franchise is on has been really kind of it makes me feel like a kid with a brand new game Instead of like a game. That's like Oh. This is the next installments. I'm going to get it and I've been reading much more comics which has been great but also been watching much more anime So I just recently finished Berserk and now I'm in the fucking like down the drain of like trying to figure out like let me get the next one. Let me get the next one. I've been talking about the discord community and You know like doing that kind of stuff where it's like. Let me try to fill up that fuel tank of of imagination and inspiration that I've had I've been just making stuff making stuff without kind of refilling and so this this time turned in for me. I mentioned already challenged myself Every solo from those kind of taking up a lot of my time but I do. I still have creative projects. I'm working on so I haven't had like downtime But when I do it's either the waste landers Expansion that came out for fall at seventy six which has been fantastic so far or animal crossing and now as of Thursday I'm back on magic gathering arena so for that God zillah mess. That's there so fun. Be Out of work. So Yeah Yeah. I'm kind of in the same boat like I'm definitely diving into it on homework. A little bit more for main episodes And then I've been playing more video games. But they are generally like the of turned into meetings also when I'm playing games with people For projects and things. That's a musical stuff in the works Lots of learning about voiceover things which has been nice I've got a bunch of dialect. Cd's and stuff of Working on that kind of thing. So that's been that's been good but let's let's video games. I'd say the biggest thing here in cooking in cooking I thought you just said cocaine cocaine I did pass the time. So yeah it's six am the next day to let us know you're doing. Yeah you're you're you're ways to kill time during this down. Yeah I wanted to make special shout out to our Sister podcast the caped crusaders because they They don't really have the same kind of downtime. They all have jobs or children and so they've had to. They've had a double down and I just really want to make a big shout out to them. 'cause they're having to become the teachers and they're having to like some of them. Well actually most of them. Still work like But I have huge shout them because they're working hard just personally but they also we still were able to make their their episodes happened this month. So you shout out to them like really making things happen so yeah and you could talk to them to on our discord which is open to everybody so Chair what does what you've been doing but also reach out to other fellow creatives. Maybe yeah exactly everybody at home. Thanks so much for joining us Thank you for everybody that has sent in questions. Please continue to sending those questions. We we have a huge list. We love working through them. It's it's good stuff But yeah check out our website NERD ON DOT TV rate reviews wherever you listen. Do join the discord. There's all sorts of things you can talk talk about from food to The shows with US hosts two movies. It's at the gamut is wide but yeah nerd on dot. Io backslash dischord But yeah that's been. That is the note on update. Stay safe You know the drill as always.

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Justice League Dark, Agents of Shield Season 7

Nuff Said: The Marvel, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D, and Comics Fan Podcast

00:00 sec | 6 months ago

Justice League Dark, Agents of Shield Season 7

"This episode of Nuff said is brought to you by tweaked. Audio get awesome headphones. Good tweaked audio dot com and use the coupon code southgate get thirty percent off free shipping and a lifetime warranty or you can get there through the link on our website. Southgate Media Group dotcom past welcome once again just super good ask your host Johnny Labro Besser. Answer me as always is that blue eyed bomber from the Bergeford Phil Film Impaired Heart. Indeed growing. I think this is what day twenty four on the mustache. Haven't waxed it today so I will eventually left it but I did work out at you know when you have the the ends when you shave. Shower shave by feel not by. Miriam hold it and twisted Underneath make sure you don't damage. The precious efforts made people but not his mustache. No wait. It's different when you wax moustache than if your wax must because well some people might whack Sir Mustache by putting a wax tape on their mushed on their approach to rip out the hairs whereas I just want to send you wait simulate. Mine Moustache working for moved has been working at home for a month people. Sir. I'm going crazy all time. Yes tristen yeah. But you know women don't want to cut their lives so yeah something women. It's men don't usually wax Upper Lips. No no I understand yes. It's a it's a common misconception so anyway manscaping other grooming issues aside Philip there. There is a great disturbance within the course yes. Netflix is worth more than emperor mouse. Yes you hear the audible. Gasps from tristen house is not. Please wait wait okay. Oh cakes but boy explains to me. How can that be worth more than Disney? When doesn't isn't netflixing debt like a? It's about something we used to call the DOT com bubble back in the night yet. Them make money worth a billion dollars so well I mean. So here's what it okay. So and also here's a quick tutorial on debt. Debt is only a problem if you can't afford it mark my word. This is the entire structure of every government on earth. And the idea that. Oh it's like you know the. Us has eighty billion dollars in debt right now and his racking up more as we speak but they can racking up more because they said well that's the US they'll they're still a good investment no matter how poorly managed company may be right now. It's understood that that is a temporary status. And it'll get better and what you're seeing right now when that flex and Disney is this double whammy were. Disney is getting hammered for all of its overhead at a time when netflix which is basically no overhead is racking in them. Subscribers is becoming unessential service in this day and age. Who and this is this is this is a Korkmaz. Netflix isn't really worth more than Disney But Disney is taking it on the Shins. Right now and Netflix looks better on paper for this. This brief period and Disney does because Disney can't release anything the theaters but net flicks can chug along always. Does exactly netflixing is not recommended. Strive in any way. It can still produce. It can still do what it needs to do. In the way that it does and what this also highlights is certain flaws and problems with Disney's model because Netflix has one channel one thing and it's going to put its kid shows on there. It's going to put. Its you know murderer after dark shows on their two. They're not looking to have to invest a billion dollars in one brand and then build another brand separate. This got highlighted recently very recently with a little home from my youth. Perhaps you remember it to you. Were younger than me. But did you ever see the film splash? Yes and for those of you. For whom porn is seen as a right? Not a privilege. This was me. I'm just sitting. She's never known a world without point that site. Oh yes but For many a young man Daryl. Hannah's behind was a glorious non-sexual reveal yes within PG PARAMETERS. This is one of those films that sort of created the PG thirteen rating because they said if still Hannah's but it's a pretty but it's not a bad enough but to make it our yeah so the PG win now what's funny is that PG thirteen. You're allowed that on Disney wrong. But they still so they had to very poorly censor flash yet kind of made her hair longer in the edit. Yes just Hair longer but it looks it looks. It looks fake. It looks bad. It looks like it doesn't actually look like your hair's longer. It looks like she's got area but what it looks like. She's got a merck on her but I don't get that it's just like anything else. Maybe I could see but it's like every human being but why. Why do you have to send to that? And it was a very weird calls. Those people who went back to the pope hired to paint like Canton on the Sistine Chapel thing man and I believe that's where the Bowler is ation comes from where they were discussing paint over Renaissance Naughty BITs Yeah but I'm underwear And it is just ridiculous that Disney and it makes what is a problem for Disney plus. Because it says you can't get everything at Disney plus even so you think you should be able to it's Kinda highlighting why you can't Devalue Disney plus as a service but now granted we think it evens out kinda where it's gay can't get everything on Disney plus but parents and stop can be like you know what I can set my kid in front of this. And they can scroll through the thing however much they want and they're really not going to find anything that offensive. That's parental controls. I know I know if this was nineteen eighty but but yes but for but for the lazy parents among us. Who Don't want to take the time to do that do you think. Maybe they're just like oh you know they don't even have to think about it. 'cause you're Charlie a lot of people in this country. Do Not WanNa think or put an effort on premise. But I I will say I will say Philip we have to. There has to be a base level of parentage. Either say if you don't want your child looking at making people than you well then you have to put on parental controls. If you don't care you know and of course this is one of the biggest issues. Parental controls is. You know you're you put yourself in this position where it's like okay. Do I care if my child sees nudity or do I care if my child? She's violence and the systems of controls. Don't really let you pick what kind of what kind of. Pg thirteen year can watch. It's really tell you. That's a billion dollar idea that parental control that can say. Oh you're cool with butts core. Your kids can see his legs. But we're not gonNA let them see. You know the the I has been worked out of. Yeah I mean that's the thing I mean they censor the bud but then meanwhile they don't censor I mean all those MC movies and violence in omen. And I if I'm wrong. Don't they have a few s words in there but but but scrimmaging yes what I'm talking about? Yeah holy clothes. Yes yeah acted. We see a lot of those butts. Those butts including America's but yes right America's but 'cause hey we don't discriminate in this country a good but is a good but and but it is America's but Charleston because we don't WanNA use the actual. Were the US in the show in the movie that we're referencing when we say America's but because that would be a troublesome word and it does it creates this weird thing when when they're painting Merkin on bureau Hannah's but they're basically saying we're going to censor your shows we're not gonNA give you what you paid for. Because they didn't have to put splash on Disney plus it kind of donor over on Hulu. That's fine but they made the choice to put it on Disney plus and then ultra saying. We're not actually going to give it as plus it hurts their brand. It hurts their company and then highlights backup of like Netflix. Which Graham Netflix Netflix? You know it's kind of in that Bach Buster era where they have where they don't really they're not to be they're not GONNA go full on sex bikini girls on the moon kind of thing. Yeah cinemax after dark. Yeah exactly they're gonNA put limitations on but they don't get known as a place it has limitations they're known. Oh that's just that's just on the film they do. You know you can see some but you can see some boobs. You can see a lot of blood on bunch. Swear words but that they have but that they have a line that the Straughn. It's not intrinsic to their branding. That Disney is wrong that line and then censoring their own films. It's bad for Disney. And this is one of the reasons why Netflix winds up being worth more than Disney right now. Yeah I didn't know I. I thought that was the whole plan. From the beginning. It's like you know instead of censoring anything anything they even would consider censoring. They're just GONNA put on Hulu. The problem is is that they build it as a one stop shop. And that's that's the problem with dude but do though because they do offer those packages where you know you get Disney plies in Hulu and what is it. He has whatever certain prices threat. But but then you have to switch ABS- which is not a good business model Then you see Charlie. Lazy already talked about Lazy People. Hey we need to draw the line somewhere a but again since you have lazy people who don't want to switch an APP and here's the thing the laser. You are the more offended. You're going to be about the Merkin Daryl. Hannah's but that's the thing is lazy people get upset very easily. That's why they're lazy because they don't WanNa put on a parental control upon their thing to say okay. Please do not let child Seattle Him as but but Daryl's hands by isn't important aspect of the film. It really is it really. Is that even though you can tell the story without doing Daryl Hannah's but they're overa- of splash really demands. They'll Hannah's but which really wasn't even that much of a button first place. Now it was kind of it was at a distance. It was a little blurry but we didn't even know if it was technically a hand but this was before everyone knew about body doubles. But the fact is that could have very easily been daryl. Hannah's body double but you know Charlie draws the line lines at their heels but people no more no more censorship. I draw a line about drawing lines on top of doing it is. That's what Disney did they align. I'm Daryl Hannah's blood and literally yes just in the correct use of the term literally. That were problematic for me. I see that home working out geniuses. Now that would use this before but now but now they get the big at the twenty four seven. Charleena's her you were always geniuses. Always a brother was headed head in the ninety nine percentile Anyway so moving. Right along this highlights. What is the what is? At and T. AOL Time Warner's response to visit plus which is HBO. Max which is essentially Disney plus dark And that is a that is a good thing and it's way but it's also creating a new branch. Hbo Max that I think maybe the exact opposite of Disney plus and they wind up hurting. At and T. AOL Time Warner call themselves. Aol The best names all your but do you think aol sounds like at this point. I don't want to support old fashioned. Maybe because when the kids food even know they I know I know and you know what not. Now it's hipster. It's old school. It's an ironic but yeah but at and T. AOL Time Warner they. They have put themselves in this position. Chew have a feel Max now for those of you who remember the marvel line of Max Books. What were the Max books known for Philip? Sex AND VIOLENCE SEX VIOLENCE. That is correct Actually a lot more violent than sex in my opinion because again. It's this whole thing about you know to me. I'm desensitized to violence. And so I can't tell the difference between the PG cut and the Ark of deadpool except when they get to language really Oh f-bomb. That's how I know that's how I don't see our but if it's the PG cut I would know isn't that scene is that you. Yeah I'm just saying me and Lilith we are aware Clinton souls you know if he's just commercials much as Mas Man. I'm older than them. But that's why we're in mice can be best friends because they're of the same generational gap of we don't believe in. Renton our minds to God's in governments and capitalism but yes so but h mass is believed salvage a feel Max which makes this problem for them because they oh yeah. Don't you can watch sesame street which is like. I don't want my kid watching sesame street on. Hbo Max Because They can go watch. Hbo Go but it also increases question. Is there anything any school? Maximum going to run over there for of the things that they trying to tempt us with right now. Is Justice League dark which is just what you J.J. Abrams because he still inane? People like him. Lens all those Lenses Philip. Claire you know he's doing Justice League dark which I I don't know this is a good idea or a bad idea because now here's the curtain of Justice League dark you know I love it. Yes it is the only DC book. I read right now but it has one of its central characters as wonder woman prior to this. The Central Leader of Justice League dark was the Batman and it raised. If I if I recall correctly Batman Starts Justice League dark Correct I don't know I was reading much of it. He might have started it. But I don't think he was like a relic really like a big member Yeah Yeah I just I remember like Constantine swamp thing was dead and what we what it was like one of them makes it the Justice League so I thought it was like Batman. Bet Is Allah Reed Richards when he hired Agatha Harkness to be her to be. Franklin's nanny showed up and said you know what I don't know magic. My Clinton villains don't know magic productive doom but that's fine from what I understand. He's kind of a a a dilettante when it comes to magic wreck. I'm sure that's what I harkness said in the interview. Oh Dum yeah my my. My magic can be tomb such go. Don't worry your pretty little head. They're reading yes do match upon himself to magic some of that dollar store magic. Yeah you know a dilatot. It's like he's never really studied. He's smart but you know magic isn't just about smarts about how you approach the energies of magic but anyway that's a whole bag of hammers but yeah so but they understood the whole idea was Batman says oh they're monsters out there and we need someone that can handle monsters Who are magical. That's not me and said so. Who knows magic? We'll constantine and swollen thing and Tana and you know those guys doctor fate doctor fate. You Know Magic Superman And they do a thing but the thing is you have it be founded by doctor fate or you bring in a Batman or wonder woman to then you open up that question okay. So who's a Batman? Who's a wonder woman are going to reference are larger? Dc You do we try to build something or do we just ignore that aspect of the story. I don't know if it makes sense. But you know who they could if you've won founding Justice League member to like start this whole thing you know what else is coming in the HBO. Max Green Series Green Lantern Series. That is true. That is true now. If you WANNA have a hell Jordan or you go Ellen Scott who I think I think they said we're getting more than one green lantern. So I mean could possibly be so. Yeah no but I'm assuming that we're going to get Alan Scott Star girl. Maybe maybe you know it's hot. Stargell right Yes star girl. Yeah the Disney Charlie member STARKVILLE. Yes over centuries reason. I thought someone was telling start. Light wasn't wasn't that was that the girl from up The boys yeah. Actually that is girl from the boys to anyway. So maybe just maybe that was the reference they were making it but anyway so I think we'll get Alan Scott. I really want more Ellen Dot. I don't know why I like this character so much. I've never read any books. I just like the the Bright Red Cape. I'd like a good Cape. I love kids actually fly but I do love tapes. Trust me if I could wear Cape I would. I'd be rocking that o'clock on a sorry. Mike Clo- capes left to Batman Superman Alan Scott Doctor. It seems like the more modern you get instead of a cave. You start getting trenchcoats like. Constantine we know the problem with the of course as you said the whole whole issue with cases that is how you show movement in comic. Yes same reason all super like well. Same reason why. Captain America has the Cavalier Boots. Because you can show the shift way and the design of character and movement You don't need to do that in. Tv's and movies so don't design that with that mind as much you now you just draw the naked man punching and then color them in to show that skin tight Clo- saint spandex more kids nowadays. It's pure latex paint on. How do you think those Those polls dress them so fast Low crazy fan theory crazy crazy fan third bat poles sorry Wayne Dressing exists outside of the bat cave like was this something that existed. Most People's True Story Homes Selective Commissioner Gordon. Every morning walk out of bed. Go do his dressing poll. And then he'd come in his suit. Commissioner era you know and they could like reset it for different different outfits. It would just stress you in the morning. I don't know that's a good question old Chum because that would be brilliant. That'd be a brilliant thing. It's like oh no no. No that wasn't aware TechNet. No of course that's totally commercial technology. That winged it. Why do you think Wayne Tech needs what's money closets just like the Guy I'm out in family? You just shut down a coal in your closet. Trusses you and then you're set for your day and back girl didn't have one because she lived in an apartment. Yes and you have to be in a two story house to us. That's why she had to actually get dressed into her costume. Just so you know I did think it through was I mean. She wasn't a millionaire. Bruce Wayne was a millionaire. Well Yeah but stars that you could so that this other millionaires condo is others said the commissioner of Gotham probably makes enough probably lives in a two story. Home probably can afford a wing. Tek Dressing cool and I think that's sort of windows. Aspirational purchases in that university wing tech dressing poll. Oh that's what. They should have had an powerless. That would have been just so brilliant as they thought of that. It's a good idea. It's a poll. You jumped down around funchess and when you get to the bottom of the boat. You're in your outfit for the day. Tell me that's not a perfect. They ever make powerless. And Have Ron funches. Character in there haven't pitched that and listen to this episode okay. Won't you talk to you about before we got onto bat polls in Dressing polls go justice league dark? That's right 'cause that's a natural transition that's dropped though. Make sure you noted so within that within that idea of creating this justice league dark we're going to get our dark universe we're gonNA get some kind of Justice League member that's probably gonNA found it and we're going to bring a constant team which opens up the obvious question. Do we get Constantine for it and will look watch it if they recast Constantine. I don't know if they're gonNA recast. I mean right now What's his face he's like? He's like the Kevin Conroy of Constantine. Get him to live action. They get into the animated stuff but he is good at the character Matt Ryan. Yes yes Matt Ryan. He's like. He is like Adam. West level good twenty years from now they make a constantin film. He'll be like they didn't even ask me. You know so. Yeah I mean to me. That's a big question. Of course if you have swamping in green in the guy that was just one thing do you tie into that universe amp for what it's worth? There's an argument to be made that. Yeah you should unless that guy was really bad at something I don't know and really all you need is his voice. I mean you could always have somebody else in the suit in the swamp thing soon all you need is the voice of the even if you WanNa do the same guy well yeah exactly. I mean was it the same guy in the suit whose voice or I don't know but what I'm saying either way and then again within the entire concept it's this idea of was he any good at it onto what he might still be under contract to even though they might still just because you're under conscious doesn't ask believe you. William without being under contract with to do the job. I mean. The Guy Probably wanted more than one season they might be. Hey come over to justice league dark over. It will be good unless he's bad at the job. That's what I'm asking is. 'cause that's the question is was. He voted Genostim Fun. Okay yes I've always heard good thing I think that's like one of these like serenity things where it's like everyone loved it. Yeah they just canceled it. I I heard positives about it. Yeah I saw nothing bad about it but we canceled it anyway. So what do so? Yeah so we got our swamp thing we constantine and of course because of many worlds theory they don't have to necessarily be the The legends of Tomorrow Constantine or the DC universe trump thing. You know actually know who I'd love to see as left wing founding it. Oh Oh you know what? I'll brilliant pitch J.J. Abrams I give you for free Night Wing just had to deal with a bunch of monsters and stuff because of Raven who is his friend but is also way way overpowered kind of like someone else who has a super friend. Who's also super super powered? And that worries him and maybe net wing says maybe the Justice League should have some sort of group that handles people like. Raven not her specific. Because we're friends being Ravens Supernatural Blackhawk yet totally Raven. She's GonNa kill us all only to kill us all so the the Mike actually picks it up You know so there you go. That's Kinda brilliant. They bring in Constantine. They're bringing that swamp thing maybe sounded gundy because at that point they reveal that he is actually the the core of life and death in the DC universe. They could finally. They could finally satisfy you give you a Lou. Frig no Solomon Grundy. Oh my gosh a Solomon Grundy. Charlie's been championing that for the longest time. He's he's perfect for the job. You know he's still in good shape. Looks way better than me. So I'm sure could say no. Stolen Gundi eight Super France you know. I'm sure you could say and he'd give that character depth. Trust me like this you know. He's a very subtle act. Yeah I mean again except for the Matt Ryan Constantine. I don't know who they would bring in like same actors or anything because thanks to crisis on infinite earths they were saying like titans on a different earth in to patrol and swamp thing was on a different earth all their shows different hurts so it's like well although again it's everything that is the money world issue is it yes. Titans is on a different world from doom patrol but there is a doom patrol in the titans earth. Yes yes some say you know taking match over. They want so in one world. The chief is Hispanic another world. He's British 'cause that's how parallel universes work there based on American racism. How it is. That's why you're getting. Some world's Superman is black and others years white and third eased eight Chinese. So that's how alternate universes working. I don't make up the rules for the DC UNIVERSE. Juicy pilot do that you know and really right now tell me. That is not true like now initiative. Bathroom hands of pirates are Freeman. Eddie said Gosh Man. Pirates WORLD IS READY FOR ACTION. So yes so. They're going to have all that kind of stuff there and that's great and that's interesting. It opens a lot of questions. It feeds into fan theories but again I wonder the HBO. Max Branding that's GonNa be the equal and opposite problem Disney plus branding and does that. Just make Netflix grow. More powerful net flicks isn't branded to be Netflix. Is Not your friend. Netflix is not your babysitter. Net flicks is just Netflix. If you want to set up a baby sitter account you can do that. You can set up kids account with kids limitations on that flex I know I had. It had three of them at one point. And that's cool in its own way. Disney plus Says No. Why don't you will who watch that? But then I'm GonNa put a show that you want on Disney plus but we didn't make it so that it's acceptable then you're defeating your own purpose you know instead. Just say Oh. Would you like to splash? Why don't you connected Hulu in this way? That brilliantly enough Amazon prime does Amazon prime she says. Oh You WanNa watch movie great. Here's all the places you can watch it. You know here's where you can watch it for free with commercials you can watch it. 'cause you already have the subscription if we could pay extra money for that's option that's my CBS. All access subscription through Amazon prime. And if you like Bob Heart Sample Shula which I do literally. That's what I watch their. I'm just catching up on all the old Bob Hart Aber Shola. There's literally nothing there for me. Because his nice I enjoy it but it's discovery is good. It's better than I thought they were. I'm sure it is. I'm sure it is you know. Even what my problem with all the Star Trek stuff is it's all gonna suck line to Heroes Cans eventually had twenty years. Hopefully I make it good. She'll told me to watch this. I mean the order series. Yeah they they they play more different channels. But do you think they're ever going to let like discovery or Picard? Go to like retail. You think everything makes it the Freebie eventually assuming free TV still exist but in the streaming streaming streaming platforms. GonNa let Stopgap. Here's the thing as digital television of all you can do more and more with less bandwidth meaning that you'll always have some kind of broadcast television because it's kind of communication have free airwave communication that actually having that be something that exists yes is actually very cost effective for both the government in the companies that own that band West. So you know for all the days of Os Satellite Radio Satellite Television satellite. Whatever it's great and it has its place by. Don't think it's ever going to fully replace. You know terrestrial broadcasts because Ford. It's worth right now. Terrestrial broadcasts. I'm watching it. People are still watching it. They they do enough to have at least like six channels basically rotate the same eight shows. So you know that's mentioned all the other channels that are now in completely weird languages. That don't speak like you know you know it's like. Oh that's not Spanish. I don't think it's Korean. What languages that that Russian Russian? But that's the gory of living of living in our modern world. Anyway final note. I do WanNa talk about a little bit is you know. So what do I always say at the end of the show about tweeting and what I might one day live tweet on twitter as I lie tweet once it comes back agents of shield. They promise any no what from fulfilled and a May. It's coming our intrepid heroes from the fourth dimension. Four dimensional now are coming back and this is a big deal. This is a very big deal. The final season anything can happen. Well not just that. It's a final season for the final time travel season and one thing that has been established is the idea of alternate timelines. And the fact that Steve Rogers going back in time to ship Petty Carter yes. I saw the mouse. He's cute you know. But he'll be dead soon. Well what do you want from me is a mouse Charlie takeover of Disney maybe? If he leaves the House we have today but Anyway we have a small rodent infestation. It happens city actually really even rural life. Because you haven't actually rural animals who might say live next to a park city problem? It'd be a rat. Don't think I'll be outside. Since people are outside his boy. They live off human food. That's actually like the worst time to be an animal right now. It's like we said Segel's like the French fries French fries. We survive how I feed my children without the French fries anyway. Long Story Short Exit. Shield is coming back. Sosa Sosa. Sousa SALSA SALSA agent agent. Matt Steve Rogers is coming back. Agent Guy Peggy Carter Jaded after Steve. Rogers is back bought as was suggested that. Actually this May free date when she meets Peggy Carter when we last it's in the twenties now of course their time travelers so that they have to stay in the twenties now and you immediately open this portal this world where we could start introducing things things from marvel from the ensues. Pass that Kinda got glossed over when people didn't know about it like oh. I don't know here's some gentleman by the name of Richard's maybe read but maybe they meet a nurse. Daniel Richards Nick Richards. Friend of Howard Stark's. Oh Yeah. Time travel what are unique concept. I wonder what I could do with that. This kind of beer to Rio. Annual Richards not not not the fake Nathaniel Richards. We got years later. full dear. Wait a minute. Didn't didn't kanger originally. Come from like an alternate timeline. Like an alternate future. He's also named Nathaniel Richards. But now if agents shield is like an alternate timeline at this point what what if? They traveled to the fortieth century. At this point this buffet travels back in and travels back to the main embassy. You Owe and then begin on Tang. Whoever whoever Reed Richards his wife is. Richard's mothers is Richard. How do I not know any the only thing I know about Reed Richards mother? He doesn't remember what her eyes look like they nut. I don't remember him even discussing his mother a lot. It's no no no no because this is what this is from the burn era when some alien head drained Reed Richards Brain. Oh yes and then he always memories put back and it was. I want to say it was just before the psycho man It was just a just before. No no no that's right. It was just after Malice or after Susan Richards. Basically does something to psycho man to get revenge for his actions on her talking to her and says you know there's parts of my brain that are my my memory that are missing and what. I remember my mom. I remember her perfectly except now I can't remember what horizon so I'm remembering that correctly. I believe that's where that happens in the party. Afterwards after Susan basically tortures the Sacramento decide to have a party. 'cause it's the fantastic four and that's what they do torture murder party. Oh you know what everyone should be listening to right now. The marvels podcast on stitcher. Keep forgetting about that. Yeah yeah man that is so good and not just. Because they're peter sounds a lot like the current Peter. It's not him but man that kid voice it's like. Oh wow that sounds just like Tom Holland but just a little bit deeper. A little bit more mature Peter but still Jason's I say isn't it? They haven't quote credited me at but I've heard he's in it as And you hear. Jj Jamison in it and they never say who spring Jj Jemison. So and as I say the most interesting about it is that still your is played by method man Azali. Yes so that is cool. It's really a great series. I highly recommend you. Listen to it. Just started they just basically did the coming of galactic and the great cover up that Charlatan Reed Richards just in a Hologram. The whole into thinking that we're under attack and people died from that declares Hologram. Obviously who would have thought a big triple giants come to eat the world? It looks like there's what five episodes maybe so far. Yeah there's there's several there's I mean I don't know how long are they don't know if it's as long as Warren was. They're all like twenty. They're all twenty minutes Yom subscribing right. Now Yeah it is really good. It's really well acted it an really gives you. It really creates a radio drama. Where the fantastic four for this story. That really speaks to you. And it's cool because it's sort of like it exists in this world of Oh yeah This is the Marvel Universe. Mutants are saying but it doesn't even come up because you don't there's so many other stories going on so yes. Stitcher is great but yes maybe fifty dollars coming back. Look at the latest poster. See how the shield is red white and blue is cap time traveling chap can be a part of the story. No cap is not part of the story. Oh said that maybe two seconds at the end of last episode. Well yeah that would be cool. It'd be really great. If they actually sorted explain the whole fractured timeline thing. There's no anything you do now. It would actually be cool He comes in and Peggy. And and Steve Dancing and seems like no. I can't make any changes online and Fits you came back in time. You're dancing with your ex girlfriend. This time shot. You can do whatever you want. It's not going to affect anything in the future. You know. It'd be great if they do find out like in an alternate timeline from the main MC now at the end of the season what if they would if they find a way back to the main time line so that way they can start showing movies up to the show's over? Oh Yeah I mean that. Seems like the practical idea and and especially the idea that well I think what you might get each might get. Fitz and Simmons spending the time variance authority sort of shield. Buck time travel. So I think that's where they're going with that and that's GonNa leave lucky and everything else and You know multi madness is coming. So that's good. Oh Sam Raimi's apparently now officially directing so yea and Kazansky is talking to marvel reasons. I don't know why they WanNa talk to that guy. Don't we have another show to do? Yes with Miss Low of Hellfire missile. That's what she thinks about The ones who constantine In the meantime Philip if you'd like to talk to you. Could they go about doing that? 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Justice League Dark, Agents of Shield Season 7

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Justice League Dark, Agents of Shield Season 7

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No it's different when you wax your mustache then if you walk were some people might waxed moustache by putting a wax tape on their much on on the upper left to rip out the hairs whereas I just want to wait. Accentuate my Moustache Moustache. Removed has been working at home for month. People going crazy all things in time. Yes tristen yeah. But you know women don't want to cut their lips so yeah it's something women do. Men Don't usually wax or upper lips. No no I understand. Yes. It's a. It's a common misconception. So anyway manscaping and other grooming issues aside fill up there is a there. There is a great disturbance within the force yes net flicks is worth more than emperor mouse. Ooh Yes did you hear the audible. Gasps from tristen. Wait how wait okay. Okay explain explain to me how can nut quits be worth more than Disney when doesn't isn't Debt like a ton Sydney Let me tell you about something. We used to call the DOT com bubble back in the match yet. Make money Worth a billion dollars so well I mean. So here's what it okay. So and also here's a quick tutorial on dead debt is only a problem if you can't afford it. Mark my word. This is the entire structure of every government on earth. That's true and the idea that. Oh it's it's like you know the. Us has any ZILLION dollars in debt right now. And his racking up more as we speak but they can racking up work as well. That's the US. They'll there's still a good investment no matter how poorly managed the company may be right now. It's understood that that is a temporary status and it'll get better and what you're seeing right now with Netflixing Disney. Is this double whammy were? Disney is getting hammered for all of its overhead at a time when netflix which is basically no overhead is racking in them. Subscribers is becoming unessential service in this day in age and this is this like I said. This is a quirk of Mass Netflix. Is it really worth more than Disney? But Disney is taking it on the shins right now and net flex looks better on paper for this. This brief period and Disney does because Disney can't release to theaters but Netflix can chug along as it always does exactly. Netflix is not breakfast stride in any way it can still produce. It can still do it. Needs to do in the way that it does. Yes and also highlights is certain flaws and problems with Disney's model because Netflix has one channel one thing and it's going to put its kid shows on there it's GonNa put it. You know murderer after dark shows on their two. They're not looking to have invest two billion dollars in one brand and then build another brand separate up in this. This got highlighted recently very recently with a little foam from my use. Perhaps you remember it to your younger than me but did you ever see the foam splash. Yes and for those of you. For whom porn is seen as a right not a privilege? This was hellfire. I'm just sitting. She's never known a world without point. Yes but um for many a young Man Daryl. Hannah's behind was a glorious non-sexual reveal yes within PG parameters one of those films that sort of created the PG thirteen rating because they said if still but it's a pretty but it's not a bad enough but to make it are so we'll let the PG now what's funny is that PG thirteen. You're allowed that on Disney. But they still felt they had to very poorly censor flash yet. It kind of made her hair longer. In the edit. Yes they made her hair longer but it looks like it looks. It looks fake yet. It looks bad. It looks like it doesn't look like here's longer it looks like she's Dot C. Airy but it looks like she's got a Merkin on her but Yeah I don't get that it's just like anything else. Maybe I could see. But it's like every human being but why. Why do you have the sense of that? And it was a very weird and ask you what they call those people who went back through the pope higher to paint like pants on on the Sistine Chapel thing man and I believe that's where the trim polarize ation comes from paint over Renaissance Naughty bits. Yeah but I'm underwear And it is just it is ridiculous that Disney and it makes. What is a problem for dizzy? Plus because it says you can't get everything at Disney plus. If you think you should be able to it's Kinda highlighting why you can't values Disney plus as a service but do you think it evens out kinda where it's like. Geico could everything on Disney plus but let like parents and stuff can be like you know what I can set my kid in front of this. And they can scroll through the thing however much they want and they're really not gonNA find anything that offensive but so that's a parental controls. Are I know I know? Nineteen eighty but but yes but for but for the lazy parents among us. Who Don't WanNa take the time to do that do do you think maybe they're just like oh you know they don't have to think about it because her. Maverick Charlie. A lot of people in this country do not want to think or put an effort. Understand the premise. But I will say I will say we have to. There has to be a base level of parentage. So either say if you want your child looking at naked people than you were then you have to put on parental controls. Yes if you don't air you know. And of course. This is one of the biggest issues with parental controls. Is You know you're you put yourself in this position where it's like okay? Do I care if my child? She's nudity to care of my child. She's violence and the systems of controls. Don't really let you pick what kind of what kind of PG thirteen year it's to watch. It's really odd. I tell you. That's a billion dollar idea. The parental control that can say. Oh you're cool would would with butts cool concedes pretty buses he likes but we're not gonNa let them see the the. I has been worked out if yeah I mean that's the thing I mean they censor the but but then meanwhile they don't censor like I mean all those. Mc You movies have some violence at home. And and I I'm wrong. Don't they accuse s words in there? Are they that but but but but stretching apart? That's what I'm talking about. Yeah close yes. Yeah Yeah acted we see a lot of those butts? Those MC Uber Butts including Americans but America's but because we don't discriminate in this country. A good is a good. But and but it is America's but tristen because we don't WanNA use the word they used in the show in the movie that we're referencing where we say America's but because that would be a troublesome word and it does it creates this weird thing when when they're painting American on their hands but they're basically saying we're going to censor your shows. We're not gonNA give you what you pay for. Because they didn't have to splash on Disney. Plus Tony over on Hulu. That's fine but they made the choice to put it on Disney plus and then alternate saying. We're not actually going to give it as plus it hurts their brand. It hurts their company and then highlights wake up to like Netflix. Which Graham in his Netflix Netflix? You know it's kind of INAP- blockbuster era where they have where they don't really they're not to be they're not gonNA go full on you sex bikini girls on the moon kind of thing that you're cinemax after dark yet exactly the they're gonNA put their limitations on But they don't get known as a place it has limitations. They're just known. Oh that's just that's just on the film they do. You know you can see but you can see some boobs. You can see a lots of blood and a bunch of swear words. But that they have but that they have aligned gets drawn. It's not intrinsic to their branding. That Disney wrong that line and then censoring their own films. It's bad for Disney. And this is one of the reasons. Why netflix points being worth more than Disney? Right now yeah. I didn't know I thought that was the whole plan. From the beginning. It's like you know instead of censoring anything. Anything they would consider censoring. They were GonNA put on Hulu. The problem is is that they build it as a one stop shop. And that's the that's the problem. What do though because I mean they they do offer those packages where you know you get Disney plies blue in what is it. He has whatever certain price. But then you have to switch APPs which is not a good business model. Then you you know against Charlie Lazy already talking about Lazy People. Hey we need to draw the line somewhere but again since you have lazy people who don't want to switch an APP and here's the thing the laser you are the more offended you're gonNA be about the American idol but that's the thing is lazy people get upset very easy. That's why they're lazy because they don't want to put on a parental control upon their thing to say okay. Please do not let my child. Cdl Him as but Daryl's hands by isn't important aspect of the film. It really is it really. Is that even though you can. Tell the story without Daryl Hannah's but they're cystic overawe of splash really demands. They'll Hannah's but which really wasn't even that much of a button. The first place it was it was at a distance. It was a little blurry too but we didn't even know if it was technically daryl. Hannah's but I mean this was before everyone knew about body doubles. But the fact is that could have very easily been daryl. Hannah's body double but you know Charlie draws the line lines at Daryl Hannah's but people no more no more censorship. I draw a line about drawing lines on top of his fun. 'cause that's what. Disney did to align on Daryl Hannah's but and literally yes the correct use of the term literally that were problematic for me. See that home songs working out. How could you geniuses now? Jesus before but now but now they get the big at the twenty four seven. Charlie Ester you were always geniuses Brother was not headed head in the ninety nine th percentile digitally anyway so moving right along this highlights. What is the what is? At and T. A. O. L. Time Warner's response to visit plus which is HBO. Max which is essentially Disney plus dark And that is a that is a good thing. And it's way but it's also creating a new branch Hbo Max that I think maybe the exact opposite of Disney plus and they wind up hurting Ata Time Warner. It's just call themselves. Aol It just the best named for all the AOL kind of like at this point. Support old fashioned. Maybe 'cause when you kids through the day why now I now and you know what not now. It's hip STA. It's old school. It's an ironic but yeah but ATM's Time Warner they. They have put themselves in this position to have eight. Feel Max now for those of you who remember the marvel line of Max Books. What were the Max books known for Philip? Sex and violence sex and violence that is correct. it actually a lot more violence than sex in my opinion because again. It's this whole thing about you know to me. I'm desensitized to violence and so I can't tell the difference between the PG cut and the Archives of dead pool except when they get to language is really. It's like Oh f-bomb. That's how that's how I don't see our cut but if it's the PG cut. I wouldn't know no isn't that scene. Lilith is that you. I'm just saying man. Louis we are. We'RE CLINTON SOULS. You know yeah commercials as much as Mas man see. I'm older than them. But that's why we're in mice can be best friends because they're of the same generational gap of we don't believe in. Renton our minds to God's in governments and capitalism but yeah so but HBO matches feel match. Which makes this problem for them. Because I don't watch sesame street which is like. I don't want my kid watching sesame street on. Hbo Max Because They can go watch it on. Hbo Go but it also increases question. Well is there anything I need to go map? I'm going to run over there for other things that they trying to tempt us with right now. Is Justice League dark which is just J.J. Abrams because he still nine. People like him Lens flares and all of those lenses Philip Claire. You know he's doing Justice League dark which I I don't know this is a good idea or a bad idea because now here's the curtain just you know I love it. Yes it is the only DC book read right now but it has one of its central characters wonder woman prior to this. The Central Leader of Justice League dark was the Batman and it raised. If I if I recall correctly Batman search just dark the original Justice League dark correct I don't know I was reading too much of it. He might have started it but I don't think he was like a relic a really big member Yeah I I remember like. Constantine swamp thing was a demo. Yeah but it was like one of them makes it the justice so I thought it was like Batman Allah Reed Richards when he hired Agatha Harkness to be her to be. Franklin's nanny showed up and said you know what I don't know magic my Clinton villains don't know magic for Doctor Doom but that's fine From what I understand. He's kind of a Dilettante when it comes to magic wreck. I'm sure that's what Harkness said in the in the interviews. Oh Dum yeah my bet. My magic can be tunes. Don't worry your pretty little head. They're really yes match upon himself to magic components on some of that dollar store magic. Yeah you know it's like you never really studied. He's smart but you know magic isn't just about smart. It's about how you approach the energies of magic but anyway that's a whole bag of hammers but yeah so but they understood the whole idea was Batman says. Oh they're monsters out there and we need someone that can handle monsters Who are magical. That's not me who will constantine and swamp thing and Tana you know those guys doctor fate dock your fate. You Know Magic Superman Do thing but the thing is is you have founded by doctor fate or do you bring Batman or wonder woman to then you open up. That question okay. So who's a Batman? Who's a wonder woman or we're gonNA reference are larger? Dc YOU DO. We try to build something or do we. Jeff just ignore that entire aspect of the story. I don't know if it makes sense. But you know who they could. If you've won a founding Justice League member to like start this whole thing you know what else is coming. Hbo Max Green Series Green Lantern Series. That is true. That is true now. If you WANNA have a hell Jordan or do you go ellen. Scott Ooh why I think Alan Scott. I think they said we're getting more than one green lantern so I mean it could possibly be but I'm assuming that we're going to Allen's cotton star girl maybe maybe you know it's hot girl right. Yes star girl. Yeah just like the Disney Charlie members star girl. Yeah for some reason. I thought someone was calling it. Start like unload. It wasn't wasn't that was that the girl from up The boys yeah. Actually that is the girl from the boys to anyway so maybe it was just a maybe that was the reference they were making it but anyway so. I think we'll get an Alan Scott. Really Want Allen's dot. I don't know why I like this character so much. I've never read any of his books. I just like the Cape the bright red eye life a good Cape I love. It's actually fly but I do love tapes. Trust me if I could wear I. Would I'd be Rockin then a clerk. I'm sorry Mike Slope Capes left to Batman Superman Alan Scott Dr Phase. It seems you know the more modern you instead of Cape you start getting into like trench coats like Constantine will you know the problem with also of course as you said the whole issue with that is how you show movement in a comic? Yes same reason. All super like same reason captain America has the cavalier boots. Because you can show this shift in way and the design of a character and movement You don't need to do that in. Tv's and movies so you don't design that with that mind as much you know you just you know. Draw the naked man punching and then come in to that skin-tight clue saint SPANDEX. No more kids. Nowadays it's pure latex paint on how do you think those Those polls dress them so fast Low CRAZY FAN THEORY. Crazy crazy fanfare. That's what we're here for. Did Bat Poles sorry Wayne Dressing polls exist outside of the bat cave like was this something that existed in most people's True Story Homes Commissioner Gordon. Every morning walk out of bed go do his dressing poll and they did come in and his suit saying with this commission. O'hara you know and they reset it for different different outfits. It would just dress you in the morning. I don't know that's a good question. Old Chum. 'cause that would be brilliant. That'd be a brilliant thing it's like oh no no no. That wasn't aware of course. That's totally commercial technology. That winged why do you think Wayne Tech made so much money closets just like the Guy Modern family you just trump down coal in your closet trust issue and then you're set for your day and back girl didn't have one because she lives in an apartment yes and you have to be in a two story house to use those. That's what she had actually get dressed into her costume. Just so you know I did think it through was I mean. She wasn't a millionaire was a millionaire. Well Yeah but starting that you could sell them other millionaires in Congo. This other you know like I said the commissioner of Gotham probably makes enough probably lives in a two story. Home probably can afford a wing tech dressing cool and I think. That's sort of like one of those aspiration purchases in that university. Wing Tech dressing coal. Oh that's what. They should have had on powerless. That would have been just so brilliant. They thought of that. It's a good idea. It's a poll. You Jump Down Semaj around funches saying that and when you get to the bottom of the bowl your your outfit for the day tell me. That's not a perfect seat if they ever make powerless the And Have Ron funchess's character in there haven't pitched that and I don't know you. Listen to this episode okay. I won't talk to you about before we got onto bat polls in wing. Tek Dressing polls a Justice League dark. That's right 'cause that's a natural transition. That's a good drop so make sure you're not so within that within that idea of creating this justice dark we're going to get our dark universe. We're going to get some kind of Justice League member that's probably gonNA found it and we're going to bring in. Constantine which opens up the obvious question. Do we get. Constantine for it will look watch the recast constitutes. I don't know if they're gonNA recast. I mean right now What's his face he's like? He's like the Kevin Conroy of Constantine. It's live action animated stuff. His character not right Matt Ryan. Yes yes Matt Ryan. He's like he's like Adam West level good. There is like twenty years from now if they make a constantine thrown. He'll be like they didn't even ask me. You know so. Yeah I mean to me. That's a big question of course. If you have swamping in it do you bring in the guy that was just one thing you tie into that universe and for what? It's worth argument to be made that yeah you should unless that guy was really bad at something. I don't know and really all you need is his voice. I mean you could always have somebody else in the suit in the swamp thing pseudo need is the voice of even if you still want to do the same guy well yeah exactly. I mean was it the same guy in the suit. Who's doing the voice? I know but what I'm saying either way and then again within the entire concept it's this idea of was any good at it well into what he might still be under contract to even though the thing. I mean they might still on just as you're conscious doesn't Williams about being under contract with that you get to do the job but I'll probably probably wanted more the one season they might be like. Oh Hey come over to just slinked Arcola. Unless he's that job. That's what I'm asking is 'cause that's the question is was he okay. Yeah 'cause I've always heard good things we'd like serenity things like everyone loved it. Yeah I know they just canceled it. I yeah I I heard positives about it. Yeah I saw nothing bad about it but we canceled it anyway. So what so? Yeah so we got our swamp thing we got her constantine. And of course because of multi many worlds theory they don't have to necessarily be the The lead of tomorrow. Constantine or the DC universe swamp thing. You know the actually know who. I'd love to see it at night. Wing founding it. Oh Oh you know what oh? Brilliant Pitch J.J. Abrams. I give you for free night. Wing just had to deal with a bunch of monsters and stuff because of Raven who is his friend but is also way way overpowered kind of like someone else who has a super friend. Who's also super super powered? And that worries him and maybe wing says maybe the the Justice League should have some sort of group that handles people like Raven not her. Because we're friends being Raven Natural Blackhawk yet totally for Raven. She's GonNa Kill Saul going to kill us all so the the Mike actually picks it up. You know so there you go. That's Kinda brilliant. Librium Constantine bring in swamp thing maybe Solomon Grundy because at that point they reveal that he is actually the core of life and death in the DC universe. Could finally they could finally satisfy you. Give YOU ALOOF Solomon Grundy Gosh before a Solomon Grundy. Charlie's been championing that long time. He's he's perfect for the job. You know he's still in good shape blueprint. He looks way better than me. So I'm sure you could say no Solan Gundi eight super friends and he'd give that character depth. Trust me like this you know. He's a very subtle act. Yeah I mean again except for the Matt Ryan Constantine. I don't know who they would bring in like same actors or anything because thanks to crisis on infinite they were saying like titans on a different earth do patrol in swamp thing was on a different earth all their shows run different hurts so it's like well although again it's whatever they that is the money world issue is that yes. Titans is on a different world from doom patrol but there is a doom patrol in the titans. Yes yes so. I'm saying you know Mr Mattress. So in one world the chief it's Hispanic in another world he British because that's how parallel universes work there based on American racism. Oh how it is. That's why you're getting some world. Superman is black and others. His white and third is a Chinese. So that's how alternate universes work in the I don't make the rules for the DC universe. Do that you know really right now. Tell me that is not true like now initiative. Batmans pirates are heard any said. Gosh Man Irish world is ready for action. So yes they're going to have all that kind of stuff there and that's great that's interesting. It opens a lot of questions into fan theories but again I wonder the HBO scrambling if that's GonNa be the equal. An opposite problem of the Disney plus branding and does that just make net flicks grow more power still because net flicks isn't branded to be Netflix? Is Not your friend. Netflix is not your babysitter. Netflix is just netflix. If you want to set up a baby sitter account you can do that. You can set up a kids account with kids limitations on that flex I know I had. It had three of them at one point. And that's cool in. Its Own Way Disney plus says no. Why don't you go to Hulu to watch that? But then I'm GonNa put a show that you want on Disney plus but we didn't make it so that it's acceptable defeating your own purpose instead. Just say Oh. Would you like to watch splash? Why don't you connect a Hulu in a way? That brilliantly enough Amazon prime does prime she says. Oh you want to watch this movie great. Here's all the places you can watch it. You know here's where you can watch it for free with commercials. Here's where you can watch it. 'cause you already have this subscription pay extra money that's not only. Cbs all access subscription through the Amazon prime. And if you like Bob Hearts show which I do literally. That's watched their. I'm just catching up on all the old Bob Heart Tapper Shola. There's literally nothing there for me. I enjoy it but it's discovery is good better nights I I'm sure it is. I'm sure it is. You know you don't want my problem with all the Star Trek stuff is it's all gonNa Circle Onto Heroes and icons eventually twenty years Hoefler. Make it good Phil told me to watch this. God rested so I mean the order series. Yeah they they. They play with different channels. But do you think they're ever going to let like discovery or card? Go to like reach. You think everything makes it to free. Tv eventually assuming free TV. So exists I used to but in the eighties streaming streaming streaming platforms. GonNa let go. Here's the thing. As digital television evolves you can do more and more with less bandwidth meaning. That you'll always have some kind of broadcast television because it's kind of communication is idea of free airwave communication. That actually having that be something that exists is actually very cost effective for both the government and the companies that own that bandwidth. So you know for all is of Os Satellite Radio Television satellite whatever. It's great and it has its place but I don't think it's ever going to fully replace. You know terrestrial broadcasts because Ford. It's worth right now precio- broadcast I'm watching it. People are still watching it. They they do enough to have at least six channels that basically rotate the same eight shows so you know that's mention all Lakewood all the channels that are now in completely weird languages. That don't speak like you know you know it's it's like. Oh that's not Spanish. I don't think it's Korean. What languages that that Russia could be Russian? But that's the gory of livings of living in our modern world anyway Final Note I do WanNa talk about a little bit is so what do I always say at the end of the show about tweeting and what I might. One day live tweet. Follow me on twitter as I live tweet once it comes back agents of shield. They promise any no what promise fulfilled and may it's coming our intrepid heroes from the fourth dimension. Four dimensional now are coming back and this is a big deal. This is a very big deal final season. Anything can happen. Well not just that. It's a final season Philip. It's the final time travel season. Yes and one thing that has been established is the idea of alternate timelines. And the fact that Steve Rogers going back in time to ship Petty Carter. He's cute you know. But he'll be dead soon. Well what do you want from me? He's a mouse Charlie Paul takeover of Disney. Maybe if he leaves the house today but Anyway we have small rodent infestation. It happens city light. It actually really even rural life because we haven't mice actually. We're all animals mice next to a park Was a city problem. It'd be a rat outside since no people were outside at this point. They live off of human food. It's actually the worst time to be an animal right now. It's like we succeed Gordon. How they're like. Where are the French francs French fries? We survive how I feed my children the French fries anyway. Long story short exits coming back Sosa. Sosa SOUSA SALSA SALSA agent agent. Steve Rogers is coming back agents guy. Peggy Carter defeated after Steve. Rogers is back but as suggests that actually this May free date when she meets Peggy Carter. Yes when we last. It's in the twenties now of course their time. Trevor. So they have to stay in the twenties now And you immediately open up this portal this world where we could start introducing things. Things from marvel from the empty US passed that. Kinda got glossed over when people didn't know about it like oh. I don't know here's some gentleman by the name of Richard's maybe not really but maybe they meet Nathaniel Richards. We meet Nate Richards. Friend of Howard Stark's it's time travel. Hey what are unique concept? I wonder what I could do with that beard to Rio. Matthias Richards. Not not the fake Nathaniel. Richards got years later Full dear wait. A minute. Didn't didn't originally come from like an alternate timeline. Like an alternate future awesome essential Richard so but now if the agency shield is like an alternate time line at this point what if they traveled to the fortieth century at this point in this thing travels back and and travels back to the main? Mc You owe and then begin on Tang. Whoever whoever Reed Richards his wife is. Richard's mothers is yes. We read Richard. Swipe is not no the only thing I know about Reed Richards mother. He doesn't remember what her eyes look like they nut. I don't remember him even discussing his mother a lot. It's no no no no because this is this is from the burn era when some aliens had drained richards brain any all of his memories put back in it was. I WanNa say it was just before the psycho man. It was just it just before. No no no that's right. It was just after malice or after Susan Richards. Basically does something to psycho man to get revenge for his actions on her read. Richard just talking to her and said you know there's parts of my brain. That are my my memory that are missing and with it. I remember my mom. I remember her perfectly except now I can't remember what her eyes were. So if I'm remembering that correctly I believe that's where that happens in the party afterwards after Susan basically tortures the Sacramento decide to have party. 'cause it's the four and that's what they do torture murder party. Oh you know what everyone should be listening to right now let the marvels podcast on stitcher. Keep forgetting about that. Yeah yeah man that is so good and not just. Because they're peter sounds a lot like the current Peter. It's not him but man that kid voice. Oh wow that sounds just like Tom Holland but just like a little bit deeper a little bit more mature Peter but still Jason's I say isn't it? They haven't But I've heard as And you hear. Jj Jamison in it. They never say who's Frank J. John Jackson so and as I say the most interesting about it is that still your is played by a method man. Yes so that is cool. It's really a great series. I highly recommend you. Listen to it. Just started they just basically did the coming of galactic and the great cover up that Charlton Reid Richards just in a Hologram. Food all into thinking that we're under attack and people died from that ludicrous Hologram. Obviously who would have thought a big purple giant if some teeth world it looks like there's what five episodes maybe so far? Yeah there's there's several there's how long are they don't know if it's as long as wolverine was they're all like twenty They're all twenty some minutes. Yeah I'm subscribing right now. Yeah it is really good. It's really well acted. It is an really gives you it really creates a radio drama or the fantastic four for this story. That really speaks to you. And it's cool because it's sort of like it exists in this world of Oh yeah This is the Marvel Universe in mutants thing but it doesn't even come up because there's so many other stories going on so yes stitcher is great but yes maybe fifty dollars coming back. There is like Oh look at the latest poster. See how the shield is all red white and blue is cap time. Travelling cap can be a part of the story. No cap is not part of the story. Sadly maybe two seconds at the end of the last episode. Well yeah that would be cool. It'd be really great if they actually started explained the whole fracture. Time-line thing. There's no no anything you do now. It would actually be cool. He comes in and Peggy in and seem. Dancing is can't make any changes online and Fitz You came back in time. You're dancing with your ex girlfriend. This time shot. You can do whatever you want. It's not gonNA have anything in the future. You know great if they do find out there in like an alternate time line from the main MC you now at the end of the season what if they what if they find a way back to the main timelines so that way they can start showing up in movies after the show's over? Oh yeah well. I'm I mean that seems like a practical idea. You know it's like and especially the idea that you know well. I think what you might get Fitzsimmons and Simmons finding the founding the time variance authority sort of shield buck for time travel. 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JAN 329: Justice League Snyder Cut Coming to HBO Max  Justice League Dark: Apokalips War (2020) Review (05/24/20)

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JAN 329: Justice League Snyder Cut Coming to HBO Max Justice League Dark: Apokalips War (2020) Review (05/24/20)

"This week on the JOCK nerd podcast. It's just one big Geek. News story after another the Justice League Snyder cut is coming to HBO Ruby Rose Quits. Bet Woman Robert. Pattinson refuses to work out for his Batman Movie. Christopher Nolan releases a new Tenet trailer with actual details about the film and Joe. Rogan is moving. His show exclusively to spotify geographic. And if that's not enough listener got a review of the latest DC Animated Universe Movie Justice League Dark Apocalypse War and lots of great feedback and comments from you the listener all that and more in this edition of the Jock nerd weekly for Thursday may twenty first twenty twenty eight. This is Kevin Conroy. The Voice of Batman. Welcome to the jockey. Nerd podcast with your hosts Anthony. Imron and rug boy. Remember that bans got your back from. Hey Hey Hey. What's happening listening? Thanks for tuning in and welcome to the jock and Nerd podcast where we give you comic book and Superhero TV and movie news reviews in whatever we choose. My name is Imran. My name's Anthony. He's the Chuck and joining us. Is the puppet that is a better. Mojo then Thanos and dark side combined. Of course it's rug boy. What's up rugs? What's up by the Vegas I'm back? That's I runs you fart. And a half of the eastern seaboard just wiped out. You know that. I farted so loud. Once in my sleep yes and at woke me up and it would still going for like quite a long time and a remember at the end of it. I was like I missed. The beginning of your farts are deadly rugs in the wrong. Just like the Rona. They don't discriminate. It'll take you down doesn't matter who you are. That's right mask will help you. How's your guys week? Been you guys. How's your week? Since we last spoke I am into space. When this comes out it'll have been already memorial day weekend but looking forward to having a little day or two off here and I do have to say although the last few shows have been fun. Yes it is nice that were returning to our roots and talking about comic book stuff right remember. We talked about comic book movies. That Superhero and guys tights. You've seen the title of this. We are going to return to that runs. How was your week? My Week was trying to watch the raid. Yes for two for Seth Morgan for a Patriot review with. You'll be a free one. That's the longest movie about karate I've ever seen. I mean it was not even it's like even karate's like we tell you. Fuck Shit calling them out. I haven't seen the movie but yeah it's Malaysian. I'd leave But yeah it's a long time. I watched it in parts and I felt like it was like never ending. In fact it was so long that I started watching it on Amazon and then the rental went out to forty eight hours a half hour. The booby twice to watch it Well look I hope everyone is going to enjoy the Memorial Day. I'm sure everyone's itching to get outside. But I had a fucking a week. I just need to vent for a second. I know nobody cares. I can't well I'm GonNa tell you what happened last week. It rained so fucking hard here where we live in suburban Chicago four inches in twenty four hours that despite having a flood control system on the House I had fucking rain. Seepage coming through in the basement but where the wall and the floor meets you know somehow getting through there and all this while in the copper gets wet. I gotTa get a fucking Shop Vac fan and it's all things and then welcome home. Yes it's the worst thing I don't do it listeners. Home it's horrible. What that's what that was not bad it off on top of that last Saturday. My Mom's spills boiling hot water on her foot. Resulting in a second degree burn a trip to the Er all messed up with her in the waiting room. I'm fucking bobbing and weaving like Mohammed Ali. Not to catch the Rona. Like I'm over here now. I'm I'M GONNA sit over here now. I don't know what the fuck is going on here. You paranoid now that you have it I whatever I think I have enough. Antibodies to fight off anything at this point. I've done so many. Haven't been able to fight off the white skin now that the white skin loves me. That's never going away so I gotTa fucking watering the patient over here. I got a burn victim over here. I really need this podcast this week guys. That's all that is to say. Well WE AREN'T HERE. We are and here we go. Let's do it to it. Chocolate Jong start out with a big crazy news. Holy Shit Zack. Snyder's justice league cut is a thing it's coming to. Hbo Max here is my reaction in a series of sound clips get the fuck atticus crazy. Crazy crazy wow let me break the thoughts on. Let me break down the details and I want your reactions to dispel as this was announced. Storing a man of Steel Watch party. He hosted earlier this week and Henry cavill pumped in. Everyone was hanging out with him. The movie will debut on HBO. Max that launches later this week may twenty seventh on twenty twenty one so next year it may either be a four hour director's cut or maybe four. Eighty six chapter mini series. Tv mini series. Style can be cool out of our house restraint itself. I don't as a whole hit This happened during the film. Second anniversary if you guys all remember that Hashtag released. The Snyder cut way huge and yeah became the most tweeted. Hashtag for Warner Brothers movie. That was never released or released falsehood. Which is weird. This gets the attention of Warner Brothers. Chairman Tony Toby. Toby Emmerich he kind of caves at this pressure. He Calls Zach. Snyder tells them to get things moving. They will be adding new and finishing old visual effects for the Snyder. They are getting the post production crew and the composers to return to score new music. Do more post production and some of the actors may return to record new dialog. Ooh style this estimate cost them twenty to thirty million dollars to finish the movies x night or says in this article from the Hollywood reporter it will be an entirely new thing even though he has admittedly never watched the just weedon version of Justice League. He says you saw a quarter of what I did. An February he screened us cut to warner brothers executives. An apparently at the end they all looked around at each other and realized all their mothers names were Martha and there were like. Let's do this. This is a good idea and then when Kobe hated actually Kinda help this? Because visual effects houses were losing a lot of work. It was the perfect time for him to give them work and finish This movie now. I'm sure everyone knows the fucking back story of the whole drama behind this movie in two thousand seventeen. This is definitely came out three years ago. Zack Snyder's daughter commit suicide. During the movie he steps away. Just we didn't comes in finishes at giving us a weird Frankenstein. Vanilla Justice League Holy Shit Anthony Comet first off. I'll say although I don't feel I fully have to apologize. I did was saying that neither cut did not exist. It technically didn't take still doesn't exist because you need twenty to thirty million finish this thing. He said he just add this cut on his hard drive when he left. And it's just been sitting there so it there was no finish thing ever. It doesn't really exist now as far as like all the Phantom and all that I think this played a part but I think this was a perfect storm of the fact that corona virus. Hbo is releasing a new streaming platform. This month I believe right. This week may twenty seven. Yes this week we'll be. I need buds. I'm sure a lot of their original content has been put on hold Yup and Yup. Why not play up on the one of the biggest phantoms in the world? So Superhero Comics. The fact that this Hash Day was huge. The fact that there's a lot of disappointment over just sleek and the fact that they just need to drum up more buzz because they got it the releasing something they gotta they gotTa do something to to make people talk. This is it so twenty to thirty million on something that they don't need to do a ton of work on in terms of like the acting already there they don't need to like create this new project in have all these actors come in like they could probably piecemeal it together so. Damn Sheriff Ben. Affleck ain't coming back for anything for this. He's probably say never you said this. Is this war lobby. John What are your? What's your reaction? Well listen you know how I feel about movies. There's and how you feel that you hate them all. Yeah like that. I feel like that if it is a creative Vision that it should be. It should be allowed to happen like that. A lot of these movies are milk told and Vanilla because of all of the meddling happens in all of this kind of like stuff that happens that at the studio executive level. So you know Zach Snyder. Love them or you hate him. He's still he's still a guy that makes what he wants to make. I applaud that. Even though like I hated Batman versus Superman I still like applaud that it was his vision and he went. After it so creatively. I have respect for him. Yeah and I would like to see him even if he's GonNa fucking he's GonNa fail them fail with dignity. Someone took his movie and put it out and change it all a whole shitload of it. So that's like to me. That's something that I as an artist. I would probably be like not cool with now. I have to destroy quick run. I have to echo. Rugs is thought. I absolutely despise Batman. Heat the direction it was going in but I am curious to see the guys vision. Even if I think it'll probably suck and four hours. Oh my God who's GonNa sit there? What the fuck forcing go for it. Yeah but I want to see what he had in mind. I mean even though I know I'm probably not going to. At least the film will have a perspective a point of view instead of an identity. Like if this gets me mustache and a non weird lip superman and Whatever like I know that he's going to be like mean superman for a lot of it will get cyborg definitely well rugs. You'RE GONNA have a lot every four hours. Yes so I've seen a lot of people asking. What can we expect from this cut now? If you remember the early trailers there was a ton of stuff that never made it. Yes you're going to get a lot of back story for all the characters. You're going to get a lot more backstory dark backstory going to see a lot more evil superman. Dark side is GonNa be in the fucking movie wounded remember. Originally it was going to be like a two parter or three parter supposed to be a two parter so the finished movie was two hours. He had a three hour cut before he went to two hours. But he's got an hour and a half to two hours worth of uncut shit he can put back in. There will be exactly his vision. Probably not one hundred percent but probably ninety percent and I kind of want to see it. I can't wait for all the fucking pole. Polar divisive debates. That's gotTa happen with this comes out. I think inevitably everyone's GonNa love it just because they've been asking they indicated that this brings up my next question guys. The fans kind of did make this happen with this release. The Snyder Ashtec campaign but is that a good thing. Does this set a dangerous precedent? I think that Does it set a precedent? Not Really I think. This is a very specific case It's only happened to two other times that I know of with these movies of David Air. They took away a suicide squad for him. He's already asking David. I WANNA do my suicide Swat now. All all of the lettuce on happy. I think that it's not gonNA be like I think. In a case where like moves have been wrestled away from directors and everybody knows that it. It was fucked up by the establishment. Trying to grab a fucking the trink cut a fantastic ono. No I don't think anyone's clamoring for a while like if if people are like oh that was an injustice in that he should get another shot at it like. I think. This is the the weird thing like when you have a lot of them. Let's say I feel bad for the guy who played cyborg right because he went any filmed all this stuff and I was like really excited. All of the ended up on the cutting room floor. Yeah and that's why he's into this Snyder. He's like hell. Yeah let's do this like yeah. So yeah why why not going to be more. Mama and Atlanta's there's more everything basically like the movie already came out. It's like not really harming something between a four hour director's cut or six chapters. Just give me the fucking four our life any if anything it's going to get people to subscribe. Hbo Man Yeah. They're gonNA get mad subscribers as far as the question. We have seen it different scale but we did see the fans overrule the terrible. Sonic in make movie changed the sonic that the look of Sonic so. I think I agree with rug. So it's it's a unique scenario. And that Zack. Snyder also had his daughter commit suicide. Seattle like the but I think I read some stuff. Though we're the studio was already kind of forcing hand to change some stuff. Disappointment with him. He got to spin it that way. They are already fighting with him. Yeah he got an easy. Yeah Yup and but he's not easy. Yes something happened to question him after that. Yeah but look to me. I think this is a dangerous precedent. I think on the one hand the message being sent by this is if you bully bitch and Moan enough chances are the studio. Might not only hear you but agree with you and like I said David Air. I've seen articles already. He's like I want to Redo my fucking movie like I think in this case. It's it's fine because it's been three years but I don't know. Do you think star wars fan them will rise up and be like fucking skywalker. Yes I was going with Lucas company but Gareth Edwards kind of rogue woman and Miller on so you be a whole nother Lord Miller movie shot and movies. That are this is happening with but it's also tragedy about what's in the CAN. That's what I'm thinking about. What's what's already shot. Yeah there is another movie shot out. There assemble putting it out. Isn't that much of a big deal on the one hand? I'm kind of annoyed that what others cave to this. But on the other hand I could see their point of view as you know about this. Twenty thirty million dollars like reinvestment movie. That's weird but I think since this is the biggest one makes sense. I like for them to like say. They need to put like a couple of million dollars into the editing. Or whatever and like the soundtrack whatever that's fine like not really visual effects which is very pricey. Yeah so that's that's where you get to thirty Mil. Yeah that's absolutely. I attribute just in a kind of a big picture like I know fans will want to see director's cuts but also think fans need to realize that like wind directors get involved in projects that have huge. Ip's and lots of money behind a lot of pressure. There's not not only that pressure but you don't always get to put out exactly what you want four more clearly that it's a losing one of the things when you're getting involved in the Temple Franchise Joan Yup like they have a vision. They have a product. They have things and they got used. They used to rely on directors to figure shit out for them. They're not a model and that there is a like a bunch of different successes in different genres. They kind of know what to do and They've been able to make a science out of it to a degree you know. Yeah that's involved whence once you start feeling like what an artist does into science and you start monetize it and putting charts and graphs and getting warm your leg making. Yeah making yes so now. You're doing corporate. Yeah so if you're getting involved with that that comes with the territory I mean I think also the fact that I can sit at home and watch this for hours at my leisure or I can just stop it. That's fine with me. What are we watching the English patient? Yes you're watching fucking boots. I mean that's you know. Irishman was long six chapters. I don't know did this is fucking crazy. I am still shocked that we're getting this. It would be different in. Give you to watch that this does we were already going to have HBO. Max If if I was paying for it on my own it would make me more intrigued for that month to be like. Let me add this. I'll fuck you. I don't think it can be worse than the original movie though. Yes absolutely but I'm I'm waiting to see that shit like a bad car accident motionless. I want to see the original movie. Didn't like everyone forgot about v Superman whether you loved it or hate it and made an impression you makes people mad or they love this. One could also do that same. Same kind of steel. But I appreciate that. He puts his point of view in there. And he's and he sticks to its. I kinda wanted to see how he wanted to but they love that movie era people who love the end the director's cut just marginally better. But that's about all eight. Improves it? A little listener. Let us know what you think of all this craziness join our facebook group. It's called JOCK NERD nation. It is exclusive. It's close just for you just for us. You can hang out with us in all our awesome listeners. I gotTA welcome this week. Some new members to the group. Welcome to the adulting with Donny. Podcast name Yes. That's his whole legal name. Welcome to Pat Downey and welcome to Bruce Hughes and I was able to actually capture the answers to Bruce's questions to get into the group. He found us through because as podcasts. Us on his phone Nice He wants to join because he likes to conversations on the podcast doesn't WanNa Miss Anything Ninety. Who's your favorite host rug? Oh Wow that's nice. Isn't it and join the group and geek out with US listener moving on but stick. We've got a lot of crazy. Dc News here After one season of Bat woman on this job you and after it has been renewed for season two days after the season. One finale really rose said. She is parting ways with the series. What it later details coming out. She initially made it sound. Like I'm stepping away from this and then some more tidbits came out saying that maybe it wasn't completely decision. Maybe more was the mutual decision. She was not happy there which means that people she work with probably not happy. They were happy with her Blah Blah Blah. So maybe not a hundred percent her decision fact is she is leaving the show. They're gonNA need to recast and I can't think of another TV show that has lost. Its lead after the first season and they had to recast. I don't think can can can I can I because I have very minimal fought Jesse Anthony. I have two thoughts number one. I was familiar with Ruby. Rose because I go to vegas a lot and she would just nighttime pool party that I was thinking about going to. So that's number one but you never went so you never saw number two. I saw her on that crossover. You made me watch which I hated. And she was very dry. She's okay she's in the John Wick. She's not bad. And that rugs comment. I was just saying like I feel like she. She was took a gamble right. She's like I'm going to be that that woman I want to join the Arrow verse when it's on its way out like everyone knows that it sucks and like people who were watching it now. I'll show though people watch the show. Yes but there's people like no one's like saying how good it is just like it's on like everything else it's on you know like now it's a show that's on that nobody really talks about as a benchmark or anything. So she's not on a hot show that's GonNa make her career. She's kind of on a show on on Arrow verse that sinking the every. Yes yes into the into oblivion. Yes so she probably took a gamble realized that it was probably not a good move and then just was now. It was probably like not into being on the show anymore. And just didn't put her all in and that's probably what we ended up probably just eroding the relationship. I've seen maybe a handful episodes about women and then I just I I was like I bailed hooking me she is she's kind of. Longwood wouldn't stiff one note on the show. They just did. They had hush on the show in like and it looked like hush from complex. So they're doing some weird things but it sounds like if you she wants to focus on a film career if you want to focus on a film career being locked in for a show that could last five to seven seasons. You don't be yes probably you don't want to do that. And it's a fucking cereal show like this is really hard. I mean we've heard from belotti their sixteen hour days. You know on average all the time it takes a lot out you give a lot of your time you can make movies so I you know she. I just think if it was I think if it was high profile she would suck it up if it was getting some good buzz and that's really not doing anything for. She's not really changing the game and getting down to watch. Yeah it's kind of like a wash so it's like a now she's like I'm not gonNA waste my next five or six years on this. There's also tons of other female actors. Who could booed would love to do this job. Public do away better job and she was still easily easily. I'm not worried. But they're going ahead with season two so sticking with the Batman theme here I read this really lengthy interesting article from G. Q. With Robert Pattinson our new Matt Reeves Batman and he said a couple of days interesting In the sense of how he was going about doing this movie so they were in production and they had to go in quarantine and the whole article comes off as kind of like as you'd expect this artistic loaner weird guy. He's like. Gordon is perfect for me. I've already fucking like that so it was no problem. You've seen the lighthouse. Yes yes weird motherfucker interested in this article because he went from the twilight movies to these really kind of rain tour movies yes. So why would he choose? What'S TO BE BATMAN? Which is almost career suicide. If you don't do it right like that's a huge gamble. So one thing he mentioned is about his training and I thought this was interesting. The film studio hired a trainer and train left him. Obosa ball a single weight and applete to use both. But he says he's annoying the plea he says quote. I think if you're working out all the time you're part of the problem and Anthony by you. He means the other actors he says quote. You set a precedent. No one was doing this in the seventies even James Dean. He wasn't exactly ripped. Meanwhile Zoe Kravitz is over there. Exercising five days a week and he's like literally. I'm just barely doing anything. Evident hope run. Yes a skinny guy. And and be Batman I mean. Are you excited for like a live in? Not Tone. Batman doesn't mean. Does he understand what Batman actually does like. Bruce Wayne should be ripped. I guess I don't think he should be ripped. I just think just from the activity that he does. You'll be told soldiers. Don't work out right. Sit there and appointed by just the daily. Shit that they do. They have to be in some kind of shade. Yes you know. Like he's a he's a soldier he goats out there. He fucking his repelling off the side of buildings. He's fucking sneaking into stuff. He's but people split splitting head now. You know like that. Shit's GonNa like it's GonNa be F- enough let demand of your body so you have to at least be prepared right. Yeah I mean it's interesting that you compare themselves to the seventies I mean. Yeah no the people weren't ripped but also that body would not be believable as Batman. Because you're Batman is supposed to be a human weapon and if you look at any like. Ufc fighter. They are very rich. Yeah he should probably try to get ripped doesn't seem like he wants to exercise. Batman is supposed to be like the peak of Human Capability. But if they're doing a different like a detective noir version. Maybe it's not necessary. You got all that armor plating you anyways like I understand. It's hard for like the huge accidents and these guys get ripped. Stay ripped for these movies. Think about it practically though like if he's wearing all that equipment and stuff you're going he's gotta be in really good physical condition to run around like I just. I just don't like people trying to justify not being in shape it's part of your kind of is also of lies job. Yes if you're like `i Batman was just a guy that sat behind a computer. No he doesn't have to be ripped but like he's basically like UFC fighter like all the time. Yeah the beat. The beat people pick up a fucking cattle bell their BEDDINGTON. What are you doing this kind of Batman? He just goes and leaves the clues in the COPS. Do all the mopping up. He just like calls the cops he goes. Oh the guy's in this building because your bag where you go this way back. He doesn't get involved well. So that brings me to the second interesting thing I found in this article. Which is what Matt Reeves is trying to do with this movie to set it apart from all the other Batman Movies and went batons. And it's thinking about in his performance trying to set it apart. He says I kind of like the fact that not only are there very very well done. Versions of the character would seem pretty definitive but I was thinking. They're multiple definitive planes with the character. Like where's the gap? You've seen this sort of lighter version. You've seen kind of jaded version. A kind of more animalistic version and the puzzle of it becomes quite satisfying to think. Where's my opening? Do I have anything inside me. Which would work if I could do it so I like that. They're looking to make this different. I read another article a Jeffrey Wright. Saying to fucking. Batmobile is a bad s muscle car and this is very different. This is very different than any other Batman movie. It's the next evolution of Batman. So that got me fuck in gig wilder pretty excited for this. Whenever fucking comes out yeah. It's just hard to be excited about anything that we don't know when this puts there was such good Buzz going on this guy. Yeah like people were like totally like. Oh yeah he's a good actor and he just basically tells everybody who gave them all this good goodwill fuck to work out. It's not necessarily Batman homes not Batman. I'm just going to be Sherlock Holmes little sexy solve crimes. Sherlock Holmes is doesn't need to be ripped yet downey junior was ripped for like home so they even fucking pulled it into that but like sherlock is not supposed to be ripped. He's part Sherlock. I don't know we should probably pick up a fucking kettle. That's all Robert Downey. Junior is more ripped this sherlock than he is as we gotTA fucking thing. You're right Les Mis that's interesting all right. Let's not funny all right. Let's talk about some cool fucking shit coming to net flix this month next month. starting with Spike Lee's next movie. The five bloods gets in early on. Look at Mr Oscar over here big Oscar guy only Mr Oscar guy. What do you see in this trailer? that makes you think it's Oscar worthy well first off you have as far as making an Oscar worthy of a director that's been nominated for Oscar de you have a a period film. The probably is going to comment on what's going on today. Yeah Yeah and the fact that there's not a ton of movies may be coming out this year so you got that As far as the trailer did you guys. All y'all watch yeah okay was is that Jimi Hendrix The what was the song music. No it's this it's time tab okay it's Hendrix that guy that was like a one that was like the one hit that guy had in the that is a big sixties trippy. Song I As far as I love the way that looks. I like how they're using some footage like it looks like the using actual Vietnam put it will. They're using they're shooting the past footage in like a different film rate or frame rate or whatever to make it look like it's from the war and then of these this this troop going back to Vietnam to find buried treasure see flashbacks. You Got Amazing. Delroy Lindo in this who always collaborates with spike Lee. He's fucking Great Chadwick Bozeman playing the younger version There's guys that go back and Chadwick Bozeman. I believe plays the fifth guy from the crew. And they're going back to find some gold. This looks fucking tight rugs. What did you think I think it looks really good? I think look interesting like they. I like delroy. Lindo ally those great. What about spike Lee joints feelings to smoke? I like I like Vietnam Film. So it's you know it's like commentaries on on on life now and then because it seems like they're going back to that time there and there and there's a comparison happening and they're talking about like now and then so I think it's GonNa be interesting. It's it's GonNa be something that's going to be worth checking out so coming out. June twelfth probably expect some good music just like you saw in the trailer to go along could sixties fucking nothing like joint other like Spike Lee joint big. This trend is amazing. Anthony like the news. Spike Lee movie coming out on Netflix. I just saw another article. Tom Hanks next movie is a World War movie. It's coming out on Apple. Tv plus he was is the sequel to saving private Ryan. I don't know maybe I don't think it's a sequel. It's called Greyhound. But and also apple. Tv plus deeds. Fucking some buzz and people so this is becoming like a trend all these big movies coming out. On these streamers it's good for people stuck at home And I got to trailers here of to you I got something say real quick streaming platforms is. I think it's smart that some some movies just aren't made to do well at theatres and I think sometimes it's smart for directors or produce whatever directors and find producer to maybe like decipher. Maybe this maybe. This movie isn't for the wide audience. Maybe this is better on streaming platform. Plus I think he has the lessons for thought have less restrictions. It doesn't have to hit a certain time you can. Kinda do whatever you want. Largely these are like unrated too. So you it doesn't put up a lot of possibilities as a lot more freedom creatively and so. I'm more pressure when you go. The theater got opening weekend. You have to focus on you. GotTa get people out there. It's crazy. There's so many movies now. Mr Oscar Job Song is not Jimi Hendrix the Chambers Chambers brothers. And what's it called Title Time Time Time? Yeah it's a great bucket song big. Have you ever heard that Song Anthony? I've heard it before class trailer. Appointing we used it for like our yearbook thing. So there's a point in that song that slow. Down and you hear a ticking clock at Crescendo. Down and then it comes back up. It's really. It's so fucking trippy. It's great sixties Psychedelic Rock So anyways more action movies coming to Netflix's because fellas after extraction everybody in the mother now wants to make a shoot em up action movie in warehouses where there's glass breaking and people getting hurt and explosions and this is what we got these next two trailers but these are both two movies that are based on graphic novels. The first one is called the last days of American crime and actually Bruce Oh hughes new member new listener turned me onto this. This is based on a graphic novel created by Rick Remainder and Greg to the concept of this one is very interesting The government has figured out in the not too distant future away to send a signal in audio signal and wants. This is set. Nobody will ever be able to commit a crime knowingly or any unlawful act once as a final response to terrorism and crime sent out the signal. No more crime so bunch of these guys who haven't had a big score they get together they WANNA do the last big. American crime still some money. You guys check out this trailer. What did you think from the trailer? Rugs Inc. Wow don't worry about it. It's exactly like the next. We're GONNA talk about. Oh this one. I mean it's all the concept is kind of interesting but it's just I mean to shoot em up movie in a warehouse and yeah I watched it and it left my mind immediately after big name. This Charlottesville hopely in the movie. The next one that one doug I'm gonNA check that out this next one. That's coming out June fifth. This next one is really interesting. Also based on a graphic novel by Greg Leandro Fernandez. It's called the old guard starring Charlene's Theorin and all their own and a chew it'll edges for leading this one and this one about a team of mercenaries who are immortal cannot die and now they're suddenly in this. You know social media pictures world are kind of exposed and they gotTA fight to keep their identity secret and do their missions. This one again look like the last one lot of shooting Anthony. Lot of cool gun gun play but I kind of dig these two action movies. What did you think of the old guard? You guys feel like they're like invincible. But twitter can taken down cell phone. We'll take them down docking Ritz. Yeah we do but I released looks good actually having this might make me might seem like. I'm being a little sexist. But it's like this the Femi- fe towel black widow. This invincible girl type movie. She was an atomic blond which I probably was very similar kind of amazing. That's perfect I don't know it seems like it's good action. It's funny because the reason why people like will they make movies with guys that are invincible. To how about they make her beat up. All girls. Don't make movies of guys just beat a women. You know they just go. I will I will let me piggyback on that. You like unfortunately the best woman fighter is not going to beat the best male fighter. Like I've watched you know we're GONNA get some tweets on Alan you. It's not realistic. It just doesn't happen. Enjoy an but you know it's fine. I can escape in the movies. I just think it's funny. I don't really mind Listen I love feel action starts. I love you bill actually but I just think it's funny that it's like well make movies with guys killing on becoming a bunch of guys actually a good point. It'd be interesting to see like a bunch like her beating up a woman army late. Let me John Wick. Fun Girls in the John Wick movies. He kills him because he's a man he could kill all look. I mean all. He's still a smoking hot and she looks bad ass July tenth. This one well hit Netflix's now Netflix's just lay there like and I heard Jessica Extraction over and over her Jessica Alba's making an action movie to now. They're like anyone who has an idea for money. His Ninety Billion Dollars Angel. Mo- Yes that's Jessica Alba's feel like we're back with like with the way Netflix's producing movies. Yeah I feel like we're like back in the mid nineties where it was just like produce any action movie. And it'll sell I get Netflix. Rated action is good. I won't fuck. Yeah I've missed. That should be their blood to sell that flex that because I'm did giving this all day I'll take plug it. It's great just make true lies over and over and over again which is what it is every movie actually all of these but look so. I wasn't worried about you guys watching those trailers because we have to all now watch this trailer that just got released moments ago. Yes thank you Mr Oscar fucking. He'd let me tell you about Tony. Tony Ruins lives new trailer for the crazy mysterious. Chris Nolan movie tenant that Pattinson is also in in the dude from black. Klansman is the lead. This is the movie that was supposed to bring everyone back to Washington son. Oh that's right. I keep forgetting that also I a podcast. I listen to in a bunch of forums. Now that I follow the big picture this post to be the movie. That's GONNA save theaters. Well we'll get to that after the reaction because there's some interesting things but you guys. There's this finally tells you what this movie is kind of is and it's exciting. It's Nolan we're gonNA take a time. Jump here click on the trailer. Watch it see on the other side talking heard. Okay Big Oscar Buzz on this bad boy here so before. You guys comment G. Q. Article They asked him about tenant Robert Pattinson and all he could say that he was approved to say was. The movie is not about time travel. And it's not but it Kinda is it's apparently about time in virgin the ability to control time reversal. This trailer is sick rugs. Let's start with you. What are your reactions? It looks like a Modern Day version of Prince of Persia the middle. What is that a good thing or a bad thing? Well if you ever played prince of Persia that's exactly what you do. Your powers is. It's the inverse time I see a little bit of all his movies in this dark night. I see little inception. I see a little dunkirk anthony comment. I mean it's a cool trailer. It's the type of trailer where I mean. He's built up enough goodwill where he can throw out a trail and probably excited so absolutely. But it's at the type of trailer where you're like. I kinda get it but I want to watch the movie. Unlike FIGURE IT OUT. Sort of like inception ray. Same exact vibe if I can read it correctly it seems like you can invert moments in time as your time is going forward. But it's it's definitely a movie that you're going to have to like watch and figure out and a time bubble that exists that you can only go back so far but everything nothing is is. You're still moving forward. You can just do things with a guys like running up the side of the building. But and then and then the part where he sees the bullet holes he goes. That hasn't happened yet. It over first thing? I don't know the action look sick the way it's shot looks like it's Nolan so you knew you're in for a ride. I'm excited I mean. I don't think you can really get it on a trailer. I think you don't want to give a lot away. I think this is a great trailer to get people jazzed about this. This is like the and then when we go to the theater will see the prestige the prestige the finish heads. What I found most interesting anthony to your comment. This was supposed to be the movie that was going to be the big comeback. Save Hollywood the comeback of theaters they had stocked to their July seventeenth date right and even in the description of this youtube trailer. It's still seventeen now. Two things. I noticed I saw on twitter. The tenant twitter account removed the dates from their bio and at the end of this trailer. All it says is coming to via. I don't think it's coming out July seventeenth. Yeah I'd at this point. It's just tough for it to make the money at wants to make in theaters with how different areas are going to be social distancing. I think they were kind of thinking that maybe like word of mouth and maybe this being the only new movie that like at all have a long run and I think they're more leaning towards theaters. Right now. Might not be an option. So it'll be interesting to see what what they decide to do with this. This is Chris and saying I will single handedly save all the movie theaters. Do you think that the music from the trailer is from the movie? Or is it from Tron. I don't even it didn't really stick with me. could mean just six digital sinti. Yeah I remember I love what I see those Kinda like Holy Shit. It's an event now in Nolan puts out a movie as it should be Z. Fucking brings it all the time. Okay last thing in the news year If you're boy. Ooh Joe Boyd Joe rogan breaking of the Internet earlier this week with more big news and you know what we're just going to hear it from Joe himself right here. Hello everybody. I have an announcement. The podcast is moving to spotify. I signed Year Licensing Agreement spotify. That will start on September first starting on September first the entire J. R. E. Library will be available on spotify as well as all the other platforms than somewhere around the end of the year. It will become exclusive to spotify including the video version of the podcast. It will be the exact same show. I'm not going to be an employee of spotify crew. Doing the exact same show. The only difference will be it will now be available on the largest audio platform in the world. Nothing else will change. It will be free. It'll be free to you. You just have to go to spotify together. We're very excited to begin this new chapter Jr. and I hope you're there when we crossover. Thanks Wow holy shit. That's pretty big This deal estimated anywhere from one hundred to two hundred million dollars not to buy his show to license. The Joe Rogan show. He remains in charge of creative This is crazy at. I don't know how I feel about this. It is both good and bad for podcasting Anthony. Comment. Yeah I'm a big JR Guy Everybody wants to be gre. Come on the PODCAST. There's already been steps but this is the first big step to podcasts. Moving to the streaming video service format that like Netflix and apple and all the stuff we talked about. Not a podcast anymore. It's a show. It's just a show one. The will that it's moving towards this. Like exclusively of like you need if you want content you wanna go to spotify or you want to go to like it's before it was just apple and android had everything. Yes and now. They're moving to these exclusive deals and Kim. Eventually I could see there being pay walls in front of this stuff. It's moving or is that format spotify is banking on the ads. That run and just having the cachet of the Joe Rogan podcast. Which I think is the second biggest podcasts in the world. So this is a huge ballsy. Move my biggest fucking. Dan Carlin Joe says he gets a hundred and ninety million downloads like every month or something But to your point points. He's taking something that started at an open source. Everyone can make a podcast community. And he's putting that now build it up putting it in a walled garden and this is also clearly a move spotify to take down apple podcasts by the way just to interrupt sorry Top podcast shirts. I don't know how credible this site is this. The first one I clicked on Joe Rogan's number two number one is call her daddy by Barstool. Sports is to twenty year old girl. I've heard about that. They got into some heard about that. Show got into some controversy. Recently I think the got him higher. But I can't believe that's number one over Rogan Holy Shit. But you know he's taking his open show that was open on Youtube and in your podcast that putting it in a walled garden you know spot. I think spotify free from what we heard in our facebook group which she should join. Yes it will be available for free if you if you. If you have the free version of spotify you can get pod. And I didn't know they have video casts on there also that either so he's taken off Youtube to they'll still post but the whole show won't be there now. Fuck this is crazy like if you listen to all your podcasts in apple podcasts and he just WanNa stay in that APP and he loved this show. You may be annoyed now that you Kinda fucking get an APP and sign up and get an account and it's only over there on the other hand I'll take quarter of that to put our show exclusive to spotify nerdy. Give me like a million. Give me fifty. Grand Out. It's signifies to me what I said earlier and that spotify is looking to now be a major player in the podcast scheme by and stuff. I mean they're already. I think the number one streaming service one hundred eighty six monthly users on spotify. Joe Rogan gets a hundred and ninety million monthly downloads crazy. He has two billion monthly users on Youtube. And Yeah See Grand. That's all you know. I'm I'm changing that number. Half a mil rugs Howard. Stern did a similar thing with serious for everyone all of his listeners. To go over and pay for serious that's right and I think it was successful. What are your thoughts on on on a move like this? It does see Mike like down. The line is going to be. Some kind of a catch is going to be either a paywall again. He said or some other shenanigans that are going on us. It's fucking bullshit but Right now this is in Rogan's GonNa just pocket the dough. Fuck you got bank on this. He this is nothing but good for him because like he built his thing whether people follow him to spotify. He doesn't have to give a fuck right now because he's got the marinas pocket. So so Iran gather way. Rogan has vitiligo. I know I know. He's one of the white celebrities has got. The I looked up. Her we talked about. I wanted to know. See It on his hand. O- on his hands and knuckles and stuff rugs when Howard Stern made that switch. She had a fewer than a million listeners. The estimated listeners to each episode of Joe Rogan eleven million listeners. I saw comments on. I think Rogan's Instagram was directly compared to Howard Stern whereas layup negative. Our stern sold out. And you're selling out to you. Fuck on the one hand. He is so out but fuck. That's fucking you think that raw numbers running Howard. Stern had like twenty million listeners. Baby now no I think he I think he had that many when he meant extensive. Maybe a million now okay. Maybe it's now. Why serious believe paid up. Also Rogan. Was this guy that was all about like being independent and it's his own show for him but he still gets the remained control so it's the smart play. He's still his own show. He's not going to you know they're not going to tell them what to do right. He's not an employee and he. You didn't sell show. He licensed which is fucking genius because when that ends he could go anywhere he could put out his own shit and make people on spotify we are. So here's the thing listener wherever you go if you are now going to abandon your apple podcast APP and go over to spotify. You can add us their follow us there next to fucking Joe Rogan. Here's a couple of other interesting discrepancy numbers. Though guys apple podcasts responsible for about seventy percent of all podcast place still spotify has been growing but right now according to Lipson nine point one percent of all podcasts plays but on the other hand apple podcast only available on expensive apple devices in spotify available on thousands of different devices from hundreds of manufacturers. And it doesn't try to be a player the and I think this is a huge and get but I will say the Techie Geeks semantics. The techique in me if he abandons his RSS feed which is what he is doing. It is technically no longer a podcast. Just a webcast show. It's the Joe Rogan show. That's what makes podcast podcast is delivered by an RSS feed that users will subscribe to and you push it and it's open for everyone to add that into their APP. It's open like my buttons. Open like your slack whole but whatever. It's this is just words. This is a show too so but it's it's a show it's a show guys you know what? 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No nothing record them after the so once. You say man we talk about it. Afterwards do the raid to free. That will be an embassy desperado to also competing Z. Now is jealous. Speaks hike and that fucking movie all right. Look for that. On our patriarch page. Let's get into the movie review we are doing The DC animated universe. Newest movie came out on May Fifth and just available now on Blu Ray. Dvd Justice League dark apocalypse war. We will spoil it so if you WANNA go watch it right now. Pause right here while I play the spoiler alert or jump ahead to the next section. Let's spoil some Shit Batman tied all that together. The tiniest bit of thought that goes into this listener. This is the sequel. The twenty-seven Justice League dark the fifteenth and last movie in this DC animated movie universe that started with flash point in two thousand thirteen and the thirtieth overall in the DC universe animated original movies. So this movie actually is a serialized Is the last part of a serialized story. They've been telling basically you kind of had to us the other movies. And he moved ahead Justice League or team titans in the title. That came out before this. It was all leading up to this on rotten tomatoes. I don't know if this twelve reviews. It's one hundred percent so I very early. Seven point seven out of ten on the average rating. But it's giving it on percent. This movie is directed by Matt. Peters and Christine Assata written by Ernie Els Becker and has a pretty crazy cast. Everybody in the DC Universe is kind of in this movie. You Got Roger Cross playing Jon Stewart and the Voice of Swamping Rosario Dawson voicing wonder woman Christopher Gorham voicing the Flash Camilla Lexington as the Tana Shimomura as cyborg Jerry. O'connell Superman Jason o'meara. Who's as Batman? Who's done Batman for years? Met Ryan a live action. Constantine voicing the animated John Constantine Ray Chase as etre gin Stuart Allen as Damian Wayne Testified Meka as a raven and Liam McIntyre captain. Boomerang Tony Candyman Todd. As dark side himself. And there's some there's two more Goodwin's Rebecca Romaine voicing Lois Lane and rain Nelson Dwight shirt from the office voicing lex Luthor and then Hinden Walsh Doing Harley Quinn That's up the whole Justice League roster right there and if any told me the plot of this what a lot of Shit happens in this movie I love. I didn't realize that they were doing animated shared universities and animated shared. You're not thinking I knew about in the back of my head but it's been so long on seven years. I've watched most of them. I haven't watched all of them. I've watched a like a handful of I. Don't think meet if watch all of them to enjoy this. Okay that was part of my review but all right buts okay. as far as the plot apocalypse or not apocalypse dark side is invading has a plan to take over earth and the rest of the universe The Justice League preemptively decide to go after him. But that's all part of a dark sites plan. He eliminates a good portion of all the heroes on earth. And it's a two year time jump and Superman and Raven Raven Rally John Continent a bunch of villains and the remaining earth heroes to plot the last stand against dark side. Yes to heroes. Don't quite Wayne really they do. But Tony Let's start with you. Anthony What did you think? Yeah I didn't like I said I didn't realize this was part of an animated universe so I haven't seen just sleep dark. It's been a while. I think. The last one I saw was the Atlantis. These are all also the whole universe was based on the new fifty two. So you and we've read that if you read that you kind of know these characters and where what happened. I think there's a lot of playoff payoffs in this film that I just wasn't familiar with. I got you so that kind of heard it for me. Yeah it's okay. It's it's it's a very violent and very dark yet. Very like Nihilistic in terms of like what's going on to the heroes it's unrated but it would have been an Ra to movie. There's a couple of in there. Yeah it's it's it's and there's a lot of very brutal dismantling heroes. Yes solar. I found it to be entertaining but I found it to be kind of okay. Okay rugs what'd you think watching this? I thought it was entertaining and I had fun with. It was a couple of times I was chuckling at like. Just how like huge characters would just be dismembered random list. It's dark but it's also kind of funny to yes. I find it to be unintentionally funny out among Oh this character is now headless. He's well he's dead or that she just died arm. Got Ripped off all fucking great okay. There's no that going to like. Draw it out Do it right lane Tuesday. Everybody fucking buys. Yeah so it was funny to see like characters with years and years of establishment and whatever just become ill gel facing parrot which are Para Demons Mixed with Doomsday Para. Do Sarah Dumon's produce. I thought they were paradise which I thought that was interesting concept yet they mixed up the demons with the Doom Doomsday DNA. And they could not fight these guys. These guys are just for some reason. Cg At some points in time in a regular drawings the other time Oh yes considered floaty siege guys in the distance. I noticed that too. Yeah and it was just weird that they did both with them anyway. Animation overall over oil like. Everybody looks like Tom. Cruise Chins and cheekbones. Yeah I didn't I didn't mind. It was pretty good. Look exactly like Tom Cruise I. That's weird I kind of enjoyed the crazy. Fuck in shocking things. That happened at this movie. I wasn't expecting it. It's interesting that the Zach Snyder thing breaks on the same week. We watch this because part of me is like this is the fucking movies x night or wanted to like his three-part plan was a lot was going to be this. Everybody dies at is goes evil in his. Oh that's a good point and they did a reversal I think instead of I think In his version superman is evil and in Batman Saves the day and this version Batmans evil in. Yeah yeah they put so. I think we if we go character by character. I think we get a good sense because there was a couple of things that I thought. Were clever You know the the idea that the point movie caused this season's head. It's a nice way to tie it. And the ending is interesting. Also tying it back to the movie the ending is is not all that happy And it's basically like. Hey let's do another reset. I did find it interesting. Like the movie Kinda turns. You know it's not your typical superhero movies. Heroes within the first two minutes die. It's the hunter reminded me of endgame. Yup It's there s mission and then like they completely fail within the first five minutes and then you do at times and you see so. It's always interesting to see like where the heroes are at when they're depressed they've lost time to play with that concept of like almost else world's tail just like endgame. It has a time reset at the very end and I love that last line like the end of the movie destroyed dark side but he sucked out thirty percent of the cord that there's going to be a billion people die and Constantine's overhearing superman talk about this and then he goes to flash and he's like you know you have to do mate clear the board start again and fucking flash takes off and does another flashpoint and so this is a great way to clear for them to start a new thing But let's talk about some of the characters because I think one of the highlights is Matt Ryan's Constantine. He is the fucking perfect. Constantine Live Action Animated Guy Nails this role. He gets it does he. Fuck the fish so that I thought was interesting today. Homosexual thing going on who was hilarious even homeless. Yeah what's called Trans Sexual? It's a male. Yeah but how great was King Shark? They THEM INTO GROUP. You turn them into crude and they made him talk at the signed. Bob Can sexual for some shock is shock. 'cause fucking great so we okay just to throw line of. Constantine just Bang Bang. Sure these dating Harley quit and he's like oh my ex's here and ravens like Harley and he's like no I'm not crazy events. King Shock and wink. It's so fucking funny. I mean this movie is far as characters. They throw all the character. You suicide squad teen titans up dark side and Justice League and then try. I didn't even know trigano read Teen Titans and this was in the Tintin's TV show try gone. It's just like the show. It's Ravens Dad. And she traps him inside her and I love the way she was kind of battling this and would use him and the line at the end when he releases she releases him to fight dark side and she. He's like thank you daughter. This is the best gift ever because he's free and he could just fuck shit up in a try gun versus dark side. That's a great fucking battle like that. That was pretty is a lot of great battles. Constantine just does he is the. Mvp does kind of save. Everyone Even though he's a selfish asshole Lois Lane and Harley boxing. I thought that was fucking funny. That was fun. All of a sudden lowest just is is Batman. Well she's she. She was this she saying. Army Brand Sheetrit yes Ari brats. So she knows how to fight. I also love lowest quoting the Hans Solo. Line twice where he Clark says I love you and she goes. I know their own lowest way. Etre again was hilarious. Didn't rhyme he. He was so bored. I mean he was so sad. Somebody died I guess that ties back to Justice League dark so sad that he doesn't even write anymore but at the end he's finally like this is fun. Thanks when they meet. What do they meet David? He's like I really liked that guy. Yeah for the record John Scene You did. You didn't upgrade with Time because I think we all decide decidedly so rather data Thomas Shark from King Shark has is. He's male or female concept. We'll fuck anything. That's the beauty of him there. I mean there's some fun stuff with Batman being a new God and in the the Moebius chair comic books to I've seen the And then you wonder did Batman. Plan this thing the whole time. He kind of had a contingency plan but even when he was programmed. Was He kind of planning this? I thought that was plant a thing. I don't remember by believe heat had him. In the Tana reveals that made Constantine runaway and that was in cahoots with Batman. Like yes case all goes wrong. We need we're going. To give you a spell the runaway we need a Schemer and you know. I love the beginning. It's Clark's plan and it just goes to shit. And he's still gung-ho he's like no we have to do this preemptive strike like is this a good idea Clark and dark side. Neither common fucked them up good. I thought they did some really interesting things with Superman. The fact that how dark side D. power him by injecting him with liquid Kryptonite. I've ever seen that before I work. Or maybe kill. Should I guess killing but it was just enough to remove his powers and his green eyes and black black pupil. Green pupils is cool. It's it's a fun like dark. Take on the Justice League in DC comics. It's interesting yeah. It's just one of those things that you're like okay. they're going to reset the whole table anyway. So what the fog does it matter? What happened? They Kinda had free. Licensed of really wanted pretty big steaks. Big Loss real loss lulls what they had to do was get Flash Free. So he could. Douse the ultimate guy. They did they once. They got flash out of their everything stopped. The power stopped than he could just reset the whole time line and then everybody can go fuck them. I love how dark side took some them and turn them into fury's like wonder woman and Martian manhunter and Mira. That was crazy. I thought she's missing a leg. Can just having a yellow glowing leg was kind of funny? Just this how bloody violent this is flying away and they just rip his leg off and there's blood wonder woman gets her arm dogs. Yeah CYBORG GETS. Both of his arms ripped off after he helps. I mean there are a Lotta plot holes. That came up. I was watching this like clearly. Constantine can portal onto apocalypse. Anytime you want. So why do they need a boom to to get there? But it's it's it's tough when you start to incorporate magic into the other superheroes because magic is limitless and then it can be tech magic like what Cyborg is like. I'm a Constantine's like this heavy hitter. Initial I kinda love that. It's called Justice League dark. He's leading the team. Everyone else been compromised and at that point you need manipulative scheming dude to fuck in as a last hail. Mary kind of worked. I love. Come some of the battles Batman versus Damian Wayne at the end and then he snaps out and tells duck site to go to hell. That was great interesting. That Dark side is so overpowered the he can take out everyone at the same time and then they also make superman just like his equal because they go at it but it's interesting to me that they have made both those characters just so much more powerful than everyone else. I love seeing Zigzag. I blast that he shoots which is like. You'll make a beam legumes. You but just from Jack Kirby Colorado you know I kind of. Yeah and there's like eyes being gouged out and so much people in the half Holy Shit. It's violent and I kinda loved every second of it loved it. I mean rated out of out of whatever and considering all the Justice League Animated University. She's very successful. This movie is better than the Justice League movie. I'll give it that. Oh Shit what's to go? I I think it was fine. It was fine. I looked at my. It's GonNa be a long one. That was ninety minutes to which surprised me. Yes it's a legitimate and a half long movie. Was It long those ninety minutes? But I mean let's Yorkshire Feature liked speech link usually the not that I doubt. Look it up. It's ninety minutes Is it okay. Request should me it longer than I question you Iran whenever right now so as I said. If it's felt epic it felt so it was fire Is it my favorite version of a comic book thing? Now like a when you get a do over and you have begun like that it Kinda cheapens. I like that original though. But it's also harmless because you got that reset button. No harm no foul. I guess I'd just kidding like we just kill everybody you love just can't but probably do the rebirth storyline next to bring everything back into a new right helps you may number. What's your number? I'm GONNA say six Mr Oscar headed six as well. Yeah entertaining enough. I think I probably would have enjoyed it more. Especially some of the payoff. I had been following this university out mountain out You know turns everything kind of on its side in has some fun with stuff that you wouldn't expect in a typical superhero movie But there's not a lot of like for me like my one of my favorites is like the under the red hood out. Some other DC movies. I think are a lot better overall. It's not it's kind of offensive. Because they just kill superheroes with buildup whatsoever but but year build-up technically true true. Just for me. I following along Gotcha. What's your number six assists six? Okay Yeah Again I guess I agree like it's not the best they've done in fact. I think flashpoint is probably one of the better ones in the new. Dc A you and elsewhere tales are. Good I'm giving a seven and a half I did have a lot of fun was unexpected and even mean not watching a lot of the last movies. Like new storylines new but yeah so the and Raven Arc has been building up for a few movies in the try gone and ravens been building up and so. There's a lot of culmination on all those character development throughout the movie so. I think if you've watched all of them is probably a pretty satisfying conclusion. And the just kills it in the animation as they do so good stuff. We got to watch this movie. I'm glad we got to watch just the FUN Comic Book Movie. Yeah you know for a deep discussion. Exhausted relaxed comedy. Need a pallet cleanser perfect? Let's move. Oh yes yeah I just WANNA say. They swallowed thing was the clutch guy. Swathing was great but that was also kind of a huge plot hole. Like there's three of these things that are destroying the earth and they only have enough people to cover too so constantine's like I got an idea. He goes over there. Any calls out the swamp thing swathing shows up and he's like Oh. This thing is hurting the earth. I got to destroy it but he would have sense at the minute. These things were dig into. That was weird that he gives. You should have already been on the because they're not affecting the green they're affecting the magma. Yeah all magma but the American McCullough degree people suck saved the green. I'm wit swampy. I Don I love that but he was. I thought it was a great use for him. And it's all for the plot to push things forward. It's a movie a lot of this stuff. They get away with because it's a cartoon and it just works. I don't know if it would work and live action as well but works here. Okay let's do some news from the nation or news Houston. I hope you have enough toilet paper over there. Rugs you guys. We got some amazing response from our loyal listeners. From our last episode nerdy. I am blown away if you are a first time listener. Go Back to episode three twenty eight where we were discussing three amazing movies. That came out in one thousand nine hundred four. All the same air force come back redemption and pulp fiction and being people couldn't wait to write in Paul Gunter comments another great episode as always. Thank you for the content heard Ron Hans guys. One of my favorite episodes you have done. Recently Chris Williams says pulp. Fiction is the worst movie ever. I just got a comment on that. Get that I can see I. I totally get. Yeah well I mean we talked about. How Tarantino doesn't make movies for the masses? He makes them first Pacific audience that are like him liked the things he likes. So you not. Everyone's going to enjoy it and I'm not mad. I don't agree but I've heard Christly. I could easily see myself having that opinion going time. Yeah absolutely chas. Havard comments awesome episode. But I'm beginning to feel personally victimized by Iran tacking kingsman than doubling down on it and then giving Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings drive by. I don't like this new. Wwe He'll version of all three of us. Gave Harry Potter in a drive-by did I'm a? I'M A he'll now I've got he'll are you're basically. Who's a he'll that you would know. I remember her Hulk Hogan when he was N W O in the black. When you're walking around read will take their vitamins at here and Avoid Sunlight. And now you're all about like taking your shirt off and just fucking healing on over everyone with the new world orioles but the he'll comes back right then they have another turn. Yes a comeback. I'm sorry it's not personal. Chaz it's fucking hilarious. It's never happened Joe Henry comments. Nobody even mentioned I predicted the casting of Katie sack. Hoffa's Boca on in the mandatory and months ago and yes Iran. She's also the voice of that character on both rebels and the Clone Wars. That is true. Our Star Wars special. I believe he said that but I don't remember anything that happened. In past episodes have a very limited short term memory. So but he was he called it. David Zeka comments. You guys didn't even mentioned all the other stuff that came out that same year. Personally I'll take the lion king over four. It's gump now. One thousand nine hundred ninety four. We could do multiple episodes of nineteen ninety four just a couple of other movies. Ace Ventura pet detective. Speed the lion king clerks true lies the mask ed wood natural born killers. I love that movie dumb and dumber interview with the Vampire. The crow the professional just a list goes from ninety four ninety four time cop with John. Claude Van Damme. Remember that one The airheads ideal ones. Who as good a list goes on and on sale as we go on? I think you guys. I think we hit on something here. We'RE GONNA. We're definitely going to do more shows like that. Where maybe we pick a year and we picked three movies and then we just talk about them. I had a lot of fun. I love that moving on. We talked about Jordan Wall. And how the we met Jordan Ball. The last time you wrote in was two thousand sixteen this episode got him to write it. Jordan says longtime Enron. Just listened to your latest absolutely thrilled. You reviewed my favorite film of All time enforce Gump. I'm a sucker for heart. Tugging music accompanied by a floating feather. Yes yes that's always great in the beginning and the end ends the same way. Excellent episode for an excellent year. May I suggest nineteen ninety nine as your next? Stop aside from having my second favorite feature in being John Malkovich. You got powerhouses in fight. Club Magnolia American beauty. The matrix the six cents just to name a few nine hundred ninety nine another other. Great Year guys Absolutely he continues on a more personal note. It's been a tough you years since we last corresponded but your podcast has been a welcome respite from life's challenges. I'm sure I speak for all your listeners. And saying what you do is appreciated now. More than ever. Thank you anthony and rugs. We're continued commitment to providing entertainment content on a weekly basis when you could have easily taken a break all the best Jordan. I liked that. He thinks he starts with me me. He says thank you meaning me and then as in the rugs. Maybe he didn't go. Thank you but then he wrote back again said almost forgotten forrest. Gump is indeed based on a novel written by Winston Groom in one thousand nine hundred eighty six though it might be the only film far superior to its source material. I didn't even know that was a novel. Jess Rivera also suggested nineteen ninety nine. You heard a couple of the picks there you also have the Green Mile cider house rules. You've got sleepy hollow Johnny Depp. Boys Ninety nine good any Blair witch project. I issues with that. Movie Magnolia Story. Go and go is a great movie. Ninety nine is going to be tough to just pick three. I mean if you go with just. The Oscar. Candidates got American beauty green mile and six cents right. They're both of those years. We can do multiple episodes where we just pick three. You're not even talking about fight club. Oh Fuck I know which do not supposed to talk about Michael Toy Story to Yeah that's A. That's another great year election man on the Moon Holy Shit goes on and on the mummy we could. We could break it up into just thinking out loud. We could do the three from the Oscar. Nominee three that were should have shunned also could have been reading and like we could do this for multiple years you guys. This feedback is so awesome and important. It's given us so much content ideas that we know you guys are digging us. Ron Hans. After leaving the coming on the facebook group in guys I wanted to follow up my comment on last week's episode that I made in the Facebook Group. The recent shows have been full of great conversations in contact last week. Conversation was probably your best show of twenty twenty. I think we should just quit here. Then what do you think? Yeah I think we should Jerry Seinfeld. Stop the Bouquet Candy. Better going to get better. The conversation was inciteful non-point I also like the perspective you each gave and how you rank the three movies all in all of the really great episode. I will also say when you guys were talking about the nine fuck movies. When the conversation started my mind went right to requiem for a dream so in rug said he'd never wanted to see that movie again. I logged great performances in that movie but faulk that is a movie that makes you want to kill yourself. Yeah it's pretty fucking tear. I would like to suggest another year of great movies to talk about Twenty fifteen. He says you got spotlight. Who won best picture? The big short bridge of spies Mad Max fury road the Martian. The revenue also. I think it will be a great conversation to do the converse of this mov picker here and do the terrible movies with Ginger Geek. Example the twenty fifteen razzie list. This is an amazing fantastic fifty shades of Grey Jupiter ascending. Paul blurt to and pixels. The Adam Sandler movie that I heard was so fucking bad has an all time review for movie Bob. Yeah I've said this is absolutely the worst movie ever made in the history of. That's why hey I stumbled upon something when what can I say this anthony? Five years to catch up to movies to get us to this point. The fighter take that people like week until you motherfucker. I'll watch watch movies but other took pandemic and to get us to. We just hit on his shoulder. You gotta get late getting late as your priority. Yes once you take that away. Aren't that important. It's like you lost a sense and all your other senses got stronger over the Dick Watch. I love that. It's just me the siding. Hey you know what I'm GonNa Movie Review Podcast. Don't watch movies watch movies. Maybe we can talk about the movie and TV review podcast. You don't watch television. I watch movies so this'll workout. Great own goodyear other doesn't fifteen it follows ex mocking What we do in the shadows. Sicario the hateful eight talk about. Tina Room is on not even listed room. I just want you in Michigan mission. Impossible rogue nation. You got inside out from Pixar rooms on here. Throw their kingsman. He enlists that list. I'm looking at the list from the gift another great year. So this is all to say you guys. Thanks FOR ABSURD. You guys enjoyed it. Thanks for writing in and letting us know we got direction. This is some fucking say. The last two episodes this one's kind of reverted back to what we do. But the last two episodes of probably been more of our most mature episodes. We've ever done one with the history and then this one with the movie comparison from the did the history that I'll let that was great too. Now we gotta get the history of what were we did. Historical accuracy and movies. I already also. I forgot to next time we get Jim mcpike back next time. We do the history movies. Get Jim mcpike on the thing. Pick a year and we'll do do another three way last thing. Chas Havard has a great great question question. Show if you could re-watch any movie for the first time what movie would you pick good? Queso? I thought about this very quickly to to movies right off the Bat. Heiko Watch them for the first time they'd have to be in a movie theater again. Yeah it's a simple basic answer. Even though now Mr Oscar either avengers or vendors at either one of those experiences were some of the greatest experiences ever had up there. The first thing that popped into mind is like the amazing time travel movies that I love that. You know kind of like a memento or these weird movies. Maybe watching pulp fiction kind of would like to watch that for the first time again. And then maybe some of the Star Wars. It'd be nice rugs. What jumps to your head. Jesus it. It's a good question. I mean Pacific Rim. Maybe what about you guys wouldn't pick the Gods Movie Pacific Rim though? I probably would love to see at the again. Yeah and yeah watch it again. Watch it again for the first time so like movies. They're like blew you away so much that you can't have that feeling unless you watched it again with your mind race for the first time you know. I was trying to think of that movie. That rugs pres- is probably the only one that seen amongst the three of us which that film where the the girl the Japanese girl. Tortures addition. Yes? I was trying to make that joke in the movie the Ice Age. You know we watch that for the first time rooks. No okay wherever you want to see that about requiem for a dream for a dream rugs if he if you know if you if you didn't know you're watching it for the first time like pie like there's certain movies like that like time crimes like these time travel movies that. I would want to watch again without knowing six cents. Maybe that would be a good one. Yeah I was thinking like the crying game like movies a big twist at the end that you you. You can't go back. I A matrix was another one that popped into my head that getting your mind race and watching that again for the first time not knowing what it was fucking blow you. Inception absolute top spinning slowing down. What the home. That's another good question. Chaz Hubbard love it and if you WanNa hear more answers just join our facebook group. You don't got another one. Yeah sorry I got to. This is with the knowledge of having seen the first film already. Okay Aliens. Terminator two four sequels relies wholly. I've totally down both those. Yes seven-year builds I think on each loose lone wolf time. Yes and both of those movies. What I I watch. It blew my fucking mind. Yes Aliens Terminator. Two to the top of the list. Absolutely love it. Picks a thirteen year. Old Girl could put myself into a thirteen year. Old Girl's body. Yeah I think I would really enjoy titanic again. This time to Capri I remember as a kid. Every girl I knew had a crush on Leo. I'm just yeah yeah if I could change my genitalia. Ooh I just thought of another one. What about Jurassic Park the first took it looks? You're like what the fuck is and the Brontosaurus. It's insane nobody can do this now. Holy Shit never see and it looked fucking amazing. The REX so that would be more movies public. It's a fucking great question. Let's finish up with some. What are we watching Anthony? Let's dance stock mentoring. Had It's two part finale or airbus two episodes I loved it overall. I have one question for you. Flight spoiler alert years ago. Why was Jordan? Dow kind of downplaying that flew game turning it into food poisoning. That whole story seemed very sketchy. I'VE HEARD THE GUY IN UTAH. Who delivered that pizza said that he couldn't have got food poisoning from this? I've made other pizzas. Nobody else got food poisoning. It goes in an oven. I don't see how you get food poisoning from pizza. Maybe so you're saying Jordan downplayed it. Yeah I feel is it because we're in a pandemic and you see him have the flu and go out there and just infect everyone if he had the flu yeah why feel. I thought it was weird that he was like it wasn't the flu. It was food poisoning. Nobody ever heard this story before. Yeah I mean. Food poisoning seems more of a likely culprit. Anyways I've had food poisoning I Dunno I think I mean either way. It's still an amazing game that resume the fighting. Shit himself. That's the question he was. He said he was in overnight at like three in the morning. But I mean I've had some just for what it's worth. I think we all have. I've had some nasty food and those symptoms can come very quickly. The fact that he comes back and wins that game and dominates. I was like fucking guys superhuman. Holy Mind in a very strong willed just a strong competitive will spirit. Nothing has got to stop. It was great fun watching that. They'RE GOING TO RE AIR. It see so if you weren't able you'll have. Espn it will be on regular network. Abc The censored versions because there's a lot of swearing but they had to verse learning rugs. Did you watch anything? Besides the raid three days to watch the Rabi were come. I watched better call Saul trying to get through the season Some been watching it very good anthony. You Watch anything else. Yeah I've got some movies lined up A might watch the Martian. Or as a fucking gray bobby but two movies honey boy. I watched rallying it looks weird. She'll autobiographical try and store where he plays his own dad in the move. Oh isn't good. I liked it But so it got me on. Shell above train. So I'm probably going to watch peanut butter Falcon. That was yeah. That was like the next one also gonNA probably watch waves. Which came out last. I've heard of that one. Yeah then you got to watch this Shitty Indiana Jones movie because he's watch Prestige Preston and then also brings in New York so those are like the next five kind of floating in the ether. But I feel like if you watch prestige after. Also watch the illusionist. 'cause they both came out at the same time. There's sets of movies. We could do this. There are sets of identical movies. That will come out at the same time remember. When deep impact came out armageddon came out. Think bucket this happens all the time. There's a disaster another movie yes similar disaster Montes peak and there was another one Kaneohe. Okay yes I always thought that was weird. I would love to watch them. Both the comparative and be like which one was better. There was like two shark movies. They came out. This happens all the time. It's very strange. I watched to comic book based TV. Shows the premiere of two shows onto nefer networks? Both starting with the letter s that would be the pilot of star girl on the DC universe and CW. W what wasn't as bad as I thought. Luke Wilson is in there. It has kind of a John Hughes kind of feel. Because it's about this girl Courtney. Luke Wilson Mary's her mom they moved from California to Nebraska. So she's got a fit in with a new group and readjust and she finds out that Luke Wilson was part of the Justice Society of America. He was Z. Agassi was striped. But they call them stripy like he was the sidekick to Starman and the beginning you see starman our man you see Brainwave is one of the bad guys. You Solomon Grundy. Who's just this big hulking thing? And then she finds the cosmic staff and the staff's Kinda cool. It has its own personality. It connects with her. She's learning this thing. The secret comes out. I was decent enough for me to keep watching. It was charming and cute and fine. I was mad. I would recommend the other one. Snow piercer premiered on TNT the show based on the movie based on the graphic novel the show is also produced by Bong. Jun Ho Who did the movie? And it is also just like both of these. I episodes decent setup for the series is enough to get me invested. Like if you're into snow piercer. Methology of the train. What goes on the train. I think you'll like it Because they add a couple of things it starts in Chicago they show you the beginning when everyone rushes the train and get stuck in the tail section that it jumps ahead six years and that's still eight years before the movie takes place. It's a thousand and one cars on fuck fucking train and There's defeat digs plays a homicide detective. I guess the only homicide detective on the fucking trade because they gotta pull out of the tail section. There's a murder. They want him to help them. So there's a lot of good Alliances and you know figuring out the plan. They also still have the same plan to storm the understand why they're on a train to begin. Well Mr Wilford had this ingenious idea to put everyone on a train during the great freeze. Because I don't know why that makes sense. I don't know a day. Yeah so it doesn't make doesn't but they show some cool things like the rest of the season they'll be outside of the train they'll be on top of the trade. There's something out there There's mystery there's a murder mystery. There's I wasn't pad for a setup those all right but that is on. Tnt and star will be on seat view. Anthony once show you that I'm hip. Have you heard this new joiner? Lucas Will Smith track. I have not joiner Lucas grape. So he did. The song called will where he just he. He the whole songs about him and how much he loves. Will Smith and wants to be will. Smith and Wilson is He's been a role model. His his career has been a role model so then they put out A. It's called will then put out a will remix and will smith is on it and he still fucking got it. He is fire and he talks about how fire brought. He's really. He goes through his whole career. He got married had kids. He's like you look up to me. I looked up to Mohammed Ali. Julius erving he's like I did it all without cursing he's like rest in peace uncle Phil James. Avery died. I think last year But it's a great it's just like joyner has averse and then we'll Smith has the worst in the hook is like I want to be like will it's really good. I put the link in here. We LISTEN IN THE POST. Show real quick if you want to hear it's not long but it's it's a great track joining Lucas Great. I love him. He's good. I really like to listen to the track man. I'm hip music. He said this is fire. Person's turn this fire though he spent spit fire. This slaps this one. I've never heard this slam. It slaps heart. I don't give us an apple a rating on apple podcasts. We're up to one twenty-one trying to get to two hundred so we could be in the rotten tomatoes as official reviewers you could do this on an Iowa device if you're in the US but you can also do this on a windows computer just download itunes and you can leave us a rating and review. Get that number up rugs. Where can the listener find you? You can find me on twitter at really rug boy. They haven't kicked you off yet rugs. I'm doing get good. You can follow on twitter at Jackass. I never mentioned it but give us a follow. Give Rug boy a follow. Visit the show notes for this episode jogging. Dot Com slash. Three two nine for all the links to everything. We talked about hottest get in touch. Stay subscribed support the show share this out outlets and are spread. The word spread the Geeky. 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Cave Bytes Heath Corson

Sci-Fi Talk

00:00 sec | 2 months ago

Cave Bytes Heath Corson

"Hi Welcome to season two of bite. This is Tony till auto. Parenting apocalypse it's it's not the same way. You you know how it works any views, usually two to four minutes long but sometimes, they can be a little longer. When you when you live long enough all kinds of strange things happen. Very. Right. In saying that the Greek heroes, the original superheroes. In part because of the hopeful nature of genes vision but also because of its message of diversity and inclusion. Cave bites eat course talking about adapting Jeff Johns throne of Atlantis for animation. And he's Kinda got. A lot of ways and no idea what you're talking about. UNICYCLE. Like always like how do you do movie about acting one talks to right? WHO's this guy? So what can you do with that? So I did you kind of sit down and approach? Well it's interesting. We have a very different aquaman. So we don't have an Aquaman who talks to fish from the very beginning we have arthur curry who grew up with his father in a lighthouse on a cove who's always been connected to the water but has no idea of his true Atlantic heritage. So he's angry he's a guy who knows he's different and alienated and special, but doesn't know why and he's mad about. So we open right after his father's funeral where Arthur curry is drunk at a seafood restaurant. Pouring. His heart out to a lobster in a tank. And this is aqua. Begins. You know this is Arthur curry realizing who he is and taking steps to become a hero. So that was my way of being able to do that because this is not the guy who shows up on land in Justice League foregoing. Who should be in charge choose me because he's not that guy yet. So we're on the road there but there there's baby steps. So, and that of course, throws the entire movie into a completely different. We're off the rails right away. So. That's that's really fun and really different look for throne of Atlantis on Hbo Max along with other DC animated projects for bite. This is Tony Talada.

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Justice League: Throne of Atlantis (Comic) - GMMF

GamesMyMomFound

00:00 sec | 4 months ago

Justice League: Throne of Atlantis (Comic) - GMMF

"Could. Soda gave my mom. I am I and who's with me tonight? A Fish Boys Stephan JD. Aqua- land deal in Ferguson. Good and I will introduce what we're going to be talking about tonight because this was my pick. Because I like Aqua Ben. We are probably one of the best Auckland new fifty two stories suggestively story didn't around Justice League. About Ackerman Thrown Atlantis which is a came out in twenty, twelve, twenty thirteen, and it runs in a few issues and a few issues in justice league, so you would have had to buy both to read it. which could be very annoying. Yep. But I in. Animated film of this to which I have never watched for some reason. It looks a lot different from the source material checked out like just little clips of it I wanted to. Feels like parlor chorus for DC. They always change their animated movies to make them more edgy or something I don't know why. And also the OP command movie be a eighteen that we got a loose adaptation of the story are also which I thought was cool. Lows that. There's things in your that hinted right along. And yet on the only man yet. And if you. And, if you listening to, if you haven't listened to our trench, other episode, you should, we'll give you a little bit more basic commanding. Going on 'cause we'll, we'll briefly touch on it, but not as detailed as did. Nap Book in that episode. Please go in that first part I. Want to start out with how this whole whole thrown of lamps opens up with the pre Lou nocco man fourteen, which one I really love that cover I don't care about arm. Arm, but for some reason or on the cover of that book stand over. The Triton sharpened background. She looks fucking awesome. Janos. Okay give me the only one. I mean yeah. He looks cool. I'd like his outfit. For. This whole entire colleagues so. I don't know you have to really sway me to not like warm and all. Will character that I feel that I didn't really know a lot of men. He's in the outcome movie for those who have seen at any I know. He was because he's in a lot of old issues that I ever read, but this like I felt. This is a very good story to kind of introduce you to the character, and really like it documented the justice, a pretty big fight, which altogether which I thought which is a great story. Story, but just like the way the story starts off. It gives you a reason why the teams hate the human besides pollution and everything else, but it starts off with the eight in eighteen, twenty and I. Just like that you see some people looks like they're hunting. Moby Dick and they're shooting hoops, and they're trying to kill this monster in the you see a man in the water and it just it's highly do it how they up. This guy up and you find out that the guy they're pulling up. It's not a guy. It's an Atlanta and they're trying to kill him. I find it super bowls. Hatred. And it turns out that killed the Queen and now they're trying to kill the king of the law of the Atlantans with doesn't work out so well. I. This was aqua man, so I was like what just GonNa die in the first issue or this issue. I was so confused. I didn't look at the time when. The on a year the fact that they're on a on old ship and not on a cruise liner or something now. Nothing. Remember correctly. This was your idea for a stream man book effort after we did trend I. think we both agreed on it. We did a great APP apart revolt the. Trench was really good this. This was a little bit better than not as good as trench, but it's. It's almost like with one of the first page you have you have what you love. You have Auckland standing there. Urge swimming in the water talking to fish. Dum Dum. Dum Pizza Art, but You. Know what there's nothing wrong talking to fish. I mean there's one there's one panel in here. That kind of introduces Black Manta suicide squad, which has to do with the other story arc that we're not really going to be touching in on here too much, but I did think it was cool show. Black Manta, you, how bad ass, even without his armor when it comes to a regular person. Fox Up the guy like drowns them in the toilet and. Just brutal yeah. He's a very big scary black man. We might have. We might have talked about that story at some point, but it's just bad. Thought that was cool now introduces that he's going to join the suicide squad, which doesn't mean anything to this book at all, but I just the cool dry air. Yeah, it feels like everyone's been in the suicide squad at some. Canons out sprints. It's almost like the X.. Men away. It's like some people have joined the expert on laugh. A little different heroes, not bad guys, L. Little. We're not going to go down there right now. Go down that road. With you about. Even like when you have like the first time you have aquaman in or arm interacting in this because he had asked yet asked this, the fish hotel arm. To go meet at this wreckage of the ship that we've seen earlier in eighteen twenty, which had to do with the king being killed in their whole interaction, because again in the store we haven't talked about. There was a their relics that were stolen and trying to figure out who stole these relics, and why he thought I, maybe it was arm boiler wasn't or what? I just thought that was Kinda cool like all their interaction between arm and. I thought a really good. Your, relic I just would've asked you brother. Okay I think is in the movie, doesn't he have like? reasons to go against man. I feel like in this one. He's really not being a bad guy. His just not being a good guy like he he. Ruined Atlanta's just taking over the job from Aquaman. Who Left Fifty fifty late? He he, they go into it but like. Is being a bad guy, but he's not like Mike. He's not the bad guy. He's doing what he thinks is right right also the background that we don't that we haven't mentioned yet. Is that Aquaman after he finds out? He's a man he we've by Gladsden he goes down and he's in Atlanta's at one point for a little while after his father's killed and he lives down there, and he is the king. Then he decided after wild to lead. thrown back to. Want to be rich and famous rule fish people. Give it, Nira and MERMAIDS! I do love the scene near the end, the cliff at the end of his first book is you see some you see? Somebody is at where the trench sealed, and they hit it with a trident, breaking it open, and you see the evil trench, look creature, starting to swim out and I just like Oh fuck. When I saw that the first time we'll show create when you just have like that unnamed protagonist to just being like your mind. It's like Whoa yeah like you don't know you. When you first that you think or is the one that broke it open. You don't really know what's going on. That's what you're. You're led to well interesting. It's like there's just one dude who's just like okay. Okay I'm. GonNa. Go move this giant rock off. Coleman. Who has superstring just shocked out of the ocean bed I. Don't know I. Think I think it was a it was weird that they were still alive because they had have been eating each other something because we're wasn't the original reason why those monsters came out of the trenches starving. Yes I. Got Two words for you. Comic loops know. WHO NEEDS CONTINUITY? I just kind of wish. They had put like a line in there or something or show that they'd been eating each other or something, because that's probably what they had resort to well, I never heard anything about the queen or the King So. This you. Later on Yup Yup I'll say maybe that the issue that you missed. You don't need to know that Sh- I read. The whole thing is earned the whole thing. But again like when you get into the first Justice League book, and that's and it kind of opens up with your mom on Emmy of movie also where you have seen Rehavia battlecruiser era. What the hell are they call the? Long ships aircraft and they launched a missile, but they launched the missiles into the ocean and they hit. City which is what starts this whole conflict, which I also WANNA say would start the conflict in the 2018 movie if I remember correctly, but it's been a while. They were they were yeah, they were hacked, but they don't know they often the bombs go off or like well. I guess that was an accident down there anyway and Stephanie. You gotTA. You did like that seen in this Justice League where they have wonder woman and. Superman Clark Kent where he where he shows wonder woman to put glasses on, and you just ruffle up your hair. Wear normal close. You can go and be normal I. Know You like that see that's the comic book part of it where it's like. He's showing her the ways around it, but then he also kind of does explain to like you know it's just because they're so unassuming to think that superman would dress up like a regular guy and walk around among them. They think you're just superman. Twenty, four seven or one women twenty four seven, so he goes a little bit more in depth, but yeah he does do glasses thing which was funny. Over. Because I. On a say in the new fifty two wonder woman Superman do get together I think. I wanted to quarter trades where they are together yet i. Really briefly It was like you had like game birth of the Jews. Man Than there is the thirteen issues of that, and then like. They redid it again, okay? I know there is a book is because I bought one of the trades for my wife that whether together, but I never read it so yeah, anyone wants to know. I hate it most of new fifty two. If I haven't said it already on the show, so that you have the whole, the whole Superman thing I hate the superman, the whole wonder woman in the site. She's okay. I liked his Batman this. Batman was good. Yeah, they didn't really change too much. A Batman new fifty two I think there's like one or two things. They changed nothing. It's the same Batman basically. I like all the cure some for I like you, but then again I also have no history before. Because I didn't really read comic so new fifty to read started reading a lot of my stories doesn't I wasn't affected like how you were well. We're going to fix that my. Cancer. But even I'm like he goes to a scene where you have Batman chasing after a boat with scarecrow, Batty's I guess wearing like penguin helmets. I really thought they were plagued one henchmen, but they're scarecrow henchman that. They're wearing like that. The like mask from like something that would be in bloodborne for instance. Know. That might be in real life. Whatever the called like the circus. They're mad. They're not that type of mass I don't think. Like the gas mass, I don't know I don't know what they are. Bird, math, they have a bird head with a beak. Like how I'm point, he is though that he's just chatting with Auckland or whoever Cyborg, and he just like ejects out of the bat boat, and just flies right on the boat and starts kicking their asses while still. Cyborg, in that, you have aqua pool, man burst out of the water stops the boat and he's like why didn't need your help? Man, but sure bags like Lance? How many times have we heard Batman? Say that before good gun. Helps. Okay. Okay was born into the darkness Alabama. Molded by. I hate that movie, but. Core out on every time I see marriage. Draw in this comic. I, maybe that's why like this comic so much I just saw. I love the way they draw mirror. She does look really, and she shows options like everything about her. Just great. Yeah I like her powers. She's got cool powers. especially in this this this kind of weird yeah. Oh Yeah, so let's talk about that. So one of the things that Atlanta's does because they have to retaliate retaliate for the missile that almost killed their city and killed all of them is they start creating the shock waves in these soon nominees that come in start wreaking havoc on the city, so like Pete in Gotham city people like hundreds of people are drowning because of these soon armies that just hit it immediately and one of the things. Things Mirror does. She uses her like water powers to stop some of it from smashing into the buildings tried to push it back into the Ocean E. Aso. She's like on another level with her power. She's pretty bad ass. They really do show you later. How powerful she is! As you start seeing the attack in the water. Just start flooding. You see there standing all the boat backup. It is pretty awesome how you to see everything that's happening with the water flooding. The city and everybody's dying. Dark? Is that is? It looks cool. The droid really cool. Cool and they're saving people like you have. Men Wonder Woman kept catching the aircraft carrier and trying to stop it. Wonder woman train the water into steam, and this is also invoked. We had mentioned who showed up little earlier in one in comic where he jumps into the water, he showed he rescues Lois Lane My favorite line is near Near. The end commands like God. They're fallen lanting war plan combatants. Because I wrote them. Me I I like that then it Kinda shows you that shows you more Holl intelligent auckland is to as a as a king man as a general as a fighter like out. I like the fact that this kind of really glorify document when it comes to his power with the Justice, League do not just stupid. Fish I like. Maybe in a show called the boys. Where have. The team. It's a lot more. I Bet I couldn't finish that show, but. This this book really does. I can't I just couldn't do it. I got halfway through and I. Could not finish the. Sushi. Yeah, it's a good show, but No, yeah, that's one of the things that. Brings up when he's traveling with Batman. Is that the lenient assassins trying to kill Batman? They don't know that commands there and he's like. Why would they try to kill me and Aquaman says because of course, obviously, you were one of the people that I knew I had to kill if I ever caused any war on land, which was pretty interesting but I mean. Everyone knows. You got to kill Batman I. also. When you, you gotta look at this world, they didn't even know Batman was real at one time like he was just a minute to a lot of people. Didn't talk about the in the in the first Justice League which we have talked about. Sunday, it does mention it brings that up a how they people realized they were real rock mandate. You know you talk. They make fun of that. First story where you are more are still not completely aware of these superheroes. Says in Real, is it? Dared touch way out here in a minute though. There I mean they. They do a good job of showing what's going on? You Have Batman and Gotham. You have wonder woman and Superman animate I wanNA say metropolis you Boston is getting flooded to have a real city flooded also and. Tossed like Shell Mera fighting off the water where she ends up getting a nose bleed, which reminded me a stranger things to see over over draws yourself trying to save people and the show you know she just saying all bodies to so many bodies down there from the flooding gives. A Great for a strike idea, just flood, the firkin cities, and then pack. Yeah, tried to weaken them down in their numbers and everything I also like you insert man finds Voelkel, and he does x Ray. The might yeah. I'm not sure. He has lung USA. Well I hadn't been reeling. As soon as Folco like the body up on the beaches like things aren't okay. I must go straightened it ocean. The FUCK! Okay all right zoom zoom. I must go to my people. I mean well. He put this whole planet motion hunt spoiler alert, but he plays department is foot. Okay I gotta ask you staff. Do you have a problem with wondering what was copying new fifty two, or do you like it I personally like it? I don't like it I okay I. was going. What about you dylan now? Yeah, I. Don't know it just me she. She's not too feminine I. Don't Know It I think it's just the colors mostly. I I did the gold better than the silver silver. Okay! Thank you, bye! Wonder Woman that over better. I think she's a bad ass play when she pulls her sore development for he just one punch, knock superman right into a wall. and. She was like she's like. Take it again, so do I. Just a bad asked I. Mean Yeah like I like the character I. Just don't like the costume like Kirk. Characters pretty cool. She's tough, bad and but. The Way I've always honestly seen. Amazonian 's like if they were going to be a real wonder, woman in the real world like if they try to do a realistic take on it, she would probably be like seven feet. Tall is the way I see. Like she would be and should be buff. You know muscular like Holkar something like that's Kinda the way I see him, but of course that would never happen. It's happened in one comic book I think. Are you thinking more like teach? Snooze near there, but yeah sh new state. Of of she hall. Naci all I'm okay with that. Excuse news sorry. You're. As. You have a part where you have. An Batman right together in in the bat boat. This is the part you're talking about where they try to blow up the bat boat to kill Batman, and this is where he mentions without how he had set it up to have him kill to that. Earlier in. Your thoughts on Cyborg cyborgs. One of those characters that I don't know very well. Because I've never had a lot of these books. Until I started reading some of this I read this new. Do stuff you see someone that you have any type of connection. There's a lot of different variations on writers. Have they've written cyber or what they've done with him? early ninety cyborg there was a story where it start talking about how he was becoming more machine. Machine than human and like the program within him was trying to make him more machine and I think there's even a time where like program inside of start to kidnap teen titans or something, and like the Justice, League in the titans get into arguments on how to save them, so there's that Cyborg that I appreciate it from the nineties. The one that I think recently I like the most is the one that's on What's that show called Dum dum patrol. Yeah that type work is probably the best Cyborg at take I've ever seen in live action. I I didn't like the one in the movie the Justice League. Real quick question for you since you're recording. This isn't the time that anyone listening to it. It's going to be after April so did you like that April third? Twenty twenty cyber movie we got that was coming out. I had yet to go. See it like I'd made plans to. I've made reservations for tickets this weekend. The joke never came out in April. Thirty got cancelled a long time ago. Nobody jumped on my job all right. That, was a joke. We never get. Like. What are you talking about? I? Own a heard about this. What definitely would know but if he didn't know I? I was just trying to allude to. I, mean I was I was getting what you're saying, but you said April third size also like Oh new three remake mon.. Cut? But it made me think of that. Which Looks Fan frigging tastic Berwick. Up At plenty in a couple of days I, mean we? Did you know weeks or months ago? When like when they introduced voelkel when he's because they bring laughter wonder woman, Matt Run vol bring him up to the watchtower work cyborgs at, and that's when aquaman meets up with vocal again in the kind of go through a little thing, read all royal visor, and it mentions more about their history together. Serves it, he serves me. Jay because I want to say like something like didn't folco serve under command while he was king in the now, he's still wants him to be king. He gets exiled after OP. Comment leaves. He was exiled. deserved I. Her in the coal kidman before that so then they wanted him gone He's kind of like He's got a guy was longer be what. God Yeah he's. A guy that like has good intentions, but he's doing it all the wrong way. Young. And it's also. Another brief scene of the trench monsters swimming closer and closer to come up to the people I love everything about the trench. I'm a huge fan of the character of not I mean like character as them far as like an alien creature, which is bad in cool yeah, and also the fact that like the Atlanta Falcons and command. They're so deep into the ocean. These monsters are the even there like they have no idea until they discover them and obviously up to close the trench which we read earlier, but. There that alien, but you will end. They're going to get into the whole entire. The trencher controlled by the Dryden that was underneath the whole entire June you know it from the others but. While it's super cool because they're like okay. So these these control dead king, which we haven't even gotten to yet by Atlanta's was sunk. How many thousands of years ago before men and before current plan is, so? They're probably have no fucking clue with a trench. Even are at this blame. No nobody really knows which I thought. It's cool how they did that. And even the teen work king armed for shirts up again he climbed out of the water gets onto a boat and just start like almost killing people asking asking them where where's the? The king and whole time he stick because he thinks Oakland when he went up to the surface, he's the king of the surface world. Thought was very interesting, and they have no you. Are you talking about the president like they're just confuse losing without school where he thinks he's armed thinks he's ruling them and I thought that was a very interesting way they did that. Yeah, he's because why would he give up being king down below when he can rule above, but of course automatic, just living among us are humans. He's he's not a king. No and then you have Superman Batman who show up who wants to just take him with him and I commend trying to convince arm. Send down the army. Give up come with me because someone you have to pay for the crime use flooded three different cities and kill hundred people. You can't just four thousand people. You're not just walked away right off. That was school to win the and then all of a sudden. He grabs Batman like. Token amount because age try to fight like that. That was bad ass to me I can't be doing. That was bad all and I. I loved like whenever everybody's jumps, and they're just like okay. You've had your chance in this whole entire time. He's just trying to explain like hey. Jeeze, Guys Joan. Even understand you were real. They think I'm just a normal guy. Leonie Atlanta's is. Angry swift that one brief moment of like okay, we're talking. Guide a guy here. Instead of just I'M GONNA. Rip Your fucking throwing out. This all waited this all literally could have been avoided or arms, very hotheaded type villain. We should say he doesn't really WANNA. Listen to reason or believe anything brothers Talion, which doesn't really make any sense. Because why would he want to light him? Because he's ocean, master master never listens apparently yeah. Man. If the idea that his brother who should be king gave it up, and he can't understand why he would give up something such a prestigious. Ability role just to be a nobody just to be a guy talking to fish, like I think part of it. Yeah I late. I would you give up royalty to be fishermen and there's a lot of splash pages in here about that, too. where it shows that how big the Atlantic army is just massive tool. Allah. Spread that's later on never. Everybody's just kinda clashing. I think orange says it is time for war and then like our. Dave finally start rising, because it's right after wonder, Woman Superman Batman I wanNA. Save almost shipment, and they're all fighting or shouldn't ocean match, but I'd like it like mangoes toe-to-toe with all three of them and he he takes out Superman. He takes wonder woman pretty like with a few hits, and I thought that was pretty damn cool. Were you see them fighting? And he's beating them. Batman just get shocked by or at the end of him, but like you ask get the seat him. Going toe to toe I thought that was really cool. And what's what's so cool is that he can take? One of them out without singlehandedly wounded outside Stephenson like bands asked. I need sorry. definitely command more invetment. Right. Under ruse blind well, he's joking. Joke. Memoir now I like them both equally. Honestly, I, I really don't have a lot of like. It depends on WHO's writing off to question and Superman. Yes, see there you go. Biased I love my Batman I, can't. I'll never doable event I. Yeah I. Mean if I just use I would choose batteries with everything about this fight. We have the land army coming up attacking wonder woman's man to after a little skirmish, he's fighting arm Batman just unconsciously somewhere and like just them. Fighting is just so cool to see how I mean in the end or using his crown, and his tried to control the oceans and light and lightning I guess he takes out. Everybody ends up defeating. Man Wonder Woman and ends up beating shot of them, and then seals a water to put them inside cocoons and send them down under to yeah to the trench at didn't. Say, something about like there's like some sort of user something that Kinda got on him. And that's gave them a paralysis or like passed out, yeah. Trendy soms jerk water that it was charging. You. Near the trench, it's down in that in that area, but they know what happened. He let you. Knock him out, he does mention the paralyze when he's swimming underneath a fight, some of the trench trench people he mentioned about them, being paralyzed and watch out for them thereby bites. Yeah Yeah and and this is kinda where we get the like more hint, actually what's going on because on the walls of the trench kind of like cavemen, there's these little like drawings, or whatever at Laney in language in hieroglyphics and Batmans trying to seize your ge the egg that he's in the cocoon, and he's trying to see like what's going on. And apparently whoever has the specific type of sceptre can control the trench monsters, and that's an argument starts to think well either my brother has it or somebody else, does it? From the the other story that we didn't read which we might, and that's the one where it's the old king sceptre from a long time ago, the original king of land yeah, the one that was murdered so yeah. yeah. We'll get. We'll get into story. Are That's later? I can tell you all about if you don't want me to. Know next episode next step, man. I'm already redraw by. Seven. He's done with matter from this so. What do you want to say is was you mentioned that the swimming down there and as document comes to to before the rest of them do and he asks when he wakes up. Batman finds that, but he knows that he can't break. Does that as about the cut open the shelter? Yeah, don't do that or you're going to be dead. Because of the pressure of how deep they're under, they won't be able to. He won't be field survive. Yeah, it's. Too scary them around this giant egg. He just carries it around. Can you a man imagined Dorning fucking just like. Going on during this time is you also have cyborg WHO's trying to get dot com? He's trying to Dr Shin, but he's also trying adoption and. Are! Still Him. You do get some cool seen to them. Fighting and then Cyborg is able. Get say reading that Batman and is under. Is is underwater somewhere deep and there's a little bit talkback are out. He gives up his other law though even more robot, so he can swim, so he can be underwater and not die right. I thought that was cool. You have the part where he summons a bunch of extra help to the justly that by black lightning vixen fires firestorm. Firestorm off man who's a fucking bad ass in the comics, but we're not talking with. You don't even gotta like justify that. It is cool how they have that. In the in the they have them fighting or because the regular justice Saul fuck up the moment flashes off. They do make one comment about flashed fighting guerrillas which we need to find that archery talking about. It is cool. Yeah, that's that's pretty quiet. I honestly don't like firestorm. either. Though I gotta be honest I, don't like this is the design. I don't like the way that he comes together because he doesn't have to be like two people or something. People in this just like in the flash show for those F. seen the show I don't i. don't like any of that. I think it's laying Jari. Sorry firestorm fans out there. Yeah, reinforcing storm fans out there probably. Not Curious first appearance wasn't how much it's worth Up Before I looked up I looked up a lot of like. See Lists Doulos character to try to find cheaper spiritus firestorm, the nuclear man number one was nine March nineteen, seventy eight of battle. Seen it before I didn't buy yeah, that was his first appearance Oh yeah. We're not been talking with from Kazakh. Cut. Man. Batman Swimming six hundred zero outer That's when you run into like I. It does Look Funny Document. Carry the coffin Batmans coughing around when you find man in wonder woman inside the trench. They're about to be fed to all the Parana. And I thought that was cool. Good job. That's Maryland cyborg boom to. and. They show up again. Marriages chicks fucking yeah at the UNSUNG Hero. Actually of this whole thing has even though all. fighting stuff. He's not really. I don't know he's. He's trying to be more like a diplomat or something through the whole story. Yeah King whereas like Mira she just kicking ass, left and right. Chief. Kicks. In the soon as comic well, that's Kinda like her role is to make sure he's safe. He has what he needs to to rule to be. Okay. so faded on discuss in in this comic in a story arc why she's like, but the Dow. Come down later on, but I do like it when the trench show up in the trench, start battling arm like every at this point in the book. Everyone thinks it was. was armed that free the trench monitors, and then you see them fighting this older and you realize in wasn't him so I thought that was good. And this is went. voelkel finally starts to turn the Shit out of Dr Shin pulls out the tried different missing this whole time, and then he realized they were all betrayed by right. Who I think tries to kill Dr Shamma at one point two, doesn't he? Alagoas guests he does. Shin the trade man all those years ago and he blames WanNa, say. He blamed docker schinder something partly. Man's. Want to say that covering a different story are but a He was in the first volume we read read where day he didn't document didn't really want his help to understand any of the creatures from the trench, but apparently Dr Shen is like the only human on earth who studied the most about the Atlanta and so he knows he knows all about their physicality flaws and everything, but he kinda apparently betrayed ach man i. just think Shins Pieces Shit to begin with. Yeah like him creepy. Weird. He looks funny in those glasses much minutes or a smells to probably like. It's number it justice league seventeen as one of the splash pages you're talking about where it has a bunch of the other justice, League members of the backup ones fighting army, which is yeah I mean they. They do some great artwork in this in his book of all the characters I mean, there are some really bad ass scenes. Yeah, Fighting Day, do not hold back on the splash splash pages like really comes out that they wanNA. Show all the war. That's about to happen if these people don't figure it out between what's going on in the drama got an it's. It's lost. I mean, and now you have command and everyone that they made peace with each other they under showed. was trying to do when they're not. They're not I. Don't think you trust them as much still, but they're. They're working together to fight or in this when they all show back open, start kicking ass and being. Flying it happens it. Happens it just Bam. OUTTA nowhere everybody's fucked in Boston. Let's have a fucking donnybrook in throwdown. Yeah, I, WanNa say to the. If I remember correctly this superman in new fifty, two was a little bit. D powered from the invincible one that we all know. Yeah Yeah. Yeah! He's a little bit weaker, so that's. That's probably the only good plus I'll give him which is why, in being incapacitated in some way by the Atlanta's is kind of a cool thing I guess i. It was nice to see in China. You know squirm a little bit loved the page and you see command punch arm, right across the face, and just fractured the fracture that the crown, and the he kill man. He grabs the tribe. That arm had he says I think it has his own try dry as I am your king, and it's just a bad ass. Looking seen when all the Atlantic. Just go all right, you're right. He's King. And what do they do with That's coming, but again you have a you have another awesome for can slash page where you have the Justice League and the ATLANTANS landlines all fighting the trench, even orm fighting the trench with them, because in they all have in common enemy, and this is when they find out that bulk was the one who betrayed ach lament and release the trap. So hypothetical real quick. What do you think would have happened if there wasn't all way like three relay war? What is it actually with a turn? Selanne teams in Yemen humans lumens. Happen I think. The transplant took over I think it would have just kinda been a airways. It depends on what how much they can replicate themselves or make more of them, and how quickly they can to keep lighting I want to say that there are probably be heavy casualties. They probably lose a lot of cities that were near the ocean and a lot of people. It'd be like heavy heavy casualties. Minnesota is fine they will. I think underneath it all the serial. Be Zero owner. They just come right out of water, he to Shit Be. Tries to get. cumulate moisture sometimes. They. Make it here. They die they dry out. Oh, we should mentioned, too. That's one of their weaknesses. If they dry out too much, take just die so. They wouldn't make it's era Zona. Even close, we'd be good, but. We're. Fine. Hey. What's that Shish, but we'd also probably mountain it all probably dead at the virus here the. Ralph quarantining we're good. But also you have like you. As he grabs a trident vocal us, he's able to summon the trench back. Send them back into the ocean, and that's when king arm arm thought. He yielded the throne to Akron. He's thought okay I surrendered to you. It's over doesn't realize you're under arrest. And then he goes to the legal superman and wonder woman just putting bell read in prison, and he's like upset because he's not. He's not in water. He's on earth. Yeah exactly which is always the thing about like superhero movies, and any of those movies is like all the bad guys we know in the comic books they go to even cross prison or something, but always in the movies Abaga has to die at the end I. Don't get why just put him in a prison closure. Yeah! Closure. Just happen to die every time, Mina also in movies with alive ing the idea that characters wouldn't come back. You would use them one time one movie. You'RE NOT GONNA. Do another move the same characteristics. You want to get rid of that character. Why I get it, but also like if we're like what we've seen recently the Spiderman. And all that apparently, they're gonNA, try to sinister six thing may be. Own finally member. Michael Keen's character returns the vulture in the second one with mysterious when they're both in prison. I not seen one yet, so okay. Sorry Spoiler! You're good bud disco. It's absolute my carnage movie so. I mean unfortunately. She carnage GonNa pay chef and I found someone to read maximum carnage with me on the show God. It's not a good comic. I know it's. Weird. But I kinda of want to wrap up where this this this Ark and this is an after orange gets arrested. You have man who ends up going back into the ocean to go back to Atlanta's new like that scene, and there's your Aqua Dogs Santa Mira as I commend water. Dog. And you do have a brief like a a little like Stinger. Saying how they're putting the suicide about the suicide squad. I can't remember what Arcos next. Justice League read the whole thing, but it'd been years, but the forever evil are. We are definitely got the read on the show especially. If you've never read it, be five to read it so. That I kind of want this last issue of the story to wrap up which I didn't think was very good. The epilogue which is it has been king now. It doesn't say how long, but you can tell. He's been down there for a little bit of some whalers who have Atlantis, weaponry and the ends up going on their vote and kicking their asses, because they're killing whales, and that's kind of cool, and it shows him commanding. Commanding the army, and how people don't trust him. Army doesn't really trust. The humans don't trust him. Because of what happened I mean that's kind of cool stuff, but I I didn't really care for it and then it also shows you bill in. That's really fucking stupid. That's after this art that I can't stand I. don't even remember his name, but he's in a frigging like underwater suit. Need dumbest walk. We're not reading that are. So and it it ends with another. Talking to fish, and he says I won't fail you against the fish, so the fish all squad page of just fish. He's out officially. Actor and Maria's the rested. And then it says the king has awoken, and that has to do with another story arc that we're not discussing right now. Learn to discuss. Data. So I. Mean I really wanted to read the story because I read after we read the Trans, I went through and read up like I got issue twenty eight Aquaman of the new fifty two run before. I I had. I just couldn't do it anymore. For I might I might go the distance I might try to do all the volumes. Jesus's. It doesn't to seventy or something. It's like a high fifty to fifty two. To everything goes fifty two. I thought they still like continued it afterwards after a year. They ended it with rebirth and went to reverse. Well at goes to show. Just don't give a shit about any of those. I didn't like fifty tastes well, tell me how do you to hurt you? Show me the dollar new fifty her right here. APPS. And hear from those out. No, we. There's no video. We can't tell him. That is his word Sern. Harrison. And some of the later justly books. Oldsmobile. Let's let's not split hairs here. Fifty to kind of really hurt DC a lot I used by no I, not at first eight. No it frigging great while let's let's also yeah. That's also mentioned the fact that as of this recording, it was like a week or two ago Dan duty of did get fired and released from DC as editor in chief, so it'll be awhile by five here this look at the story, so yeah, but you know it's just like that's he's. The Guy May basically made the key decisions including fifty two for the past eleven years. Almost took readers would agree that this was a long overdue. Saying and nobody liked any of the choices, and I guess Jim Lee is Kinda holding spot fresh right now. I don't know if he's doing his job in job. It's that's what's going on other conversation but it's not. It's a weird situation. Yeah, we need every okay on that about wraps it up. I want to say about throwing Atlanta's who I think we should go to Shelford box, yeah. I do I will I will start with a nice positive thing I mean. Obviously this was my pick. It's going on the shelf i. read this years ago when I was reading all the Justice League stories, no new fifty two run and I really liked it. Then I read it twice actually in in this time preparing for the episode, I just really enjoyed had to read it again and I still think it is an amazing story I mean yes, we spoil yes. We talk about a conical read. It's worth it in a little. Little annoying because it jumped between command and Justice Leagues, you have to jump back and forth if depending on how you read this, I from the sound of the d. c. you APP is in the friendliest and the way that I read. It isn't the friendliest, either and there is no trade of it. I WanNa say you can buy not just this, which is stupid. yeah I three of it. Yeah, yeah, you could buy sort of Atlanta's, but I don't think it includes the Justice League issues, so I think he'd be. That to finish this I could be wrong but I. don't think it. Does I really don't think it? Does I don't think it does either? I'm pretty sure you're not wrong but it's good. It's going on my show I'm really glad that we got to do it on here. The there probably won't be any more. Mandatory Israel a little while 'cause Rochman out at the moment, but then hey, there might be more time with you're listening to this. Who knows? Them. How about you I give this to blobs? Way a great stuff on the shelf. It was good. It really was I love the fact that it tied Justice League altogether. I love the fact that brock through observed members in I like the fact that Cyborg had his own bit to day. It was all over the place. It was great. It was good or was a fucking bad ass, even though he was there. Guys Volunteer Time Logan. That kind I don't like. I really John like an eye in the PODCAST, said it. He is just a dude who talks too fucking fish come on. Reading these with you. Guys has kind of opened my eyes. Our answer fucking bad. He really is I like awfulness. Now I really do I think you should the next one I. I'm site. Let's do it I've been reading it already. It's really good. If you like aquaman totally worthless. Keep going, but it's. Not Our radio after after after the next excellent, so but yeah, going straight up on the shelves. Worth read every time for sure. That will end not super positive note. How about you Steffan? She hated. Now Yeah this is. They, we started off on a good thing here at the trench. Okay, I was totally on board, except for like the first like initial pages in there, because the whole sitting in a diner that whole thing was goofy, but anyway the trench itself of story I I loved that. If you guys haven't listened to episode already or whatever I don't even know what order we're releasing these I that once coming, i Mike Right but is the triumph trench. Please later. Yeah, so yeah! If you've listened to that when you already know I, love that I. Just the idea of adding more interesting things to the ocean and learning more about Atlantis or the things that I kind of want from Menachem, like I get that he's like he's cool in the new fifty two at edgy, and he's got all these awesome powers. He can take on wonder woman superman stuff's kind of cool, but I want to learn about the ocean like those are the things that interest me about command to be honest. It's so weird you want to read the next story arc that does explained a Lotta lantis past. Yeah, Atlanta's past you know and like the like, even his lineage or something or Read the dead, sorry. No, you'll get your explanation I'm sure see that's the thing though but like judging out just off this like trade by itself. I wouldn't put it on my shelf because it's just I felt like should've gone on longer in. There should have been more drama between him, and or I actually do like worm, and I like his costume too I. think it looks bad ass. And some of the covers to these issues to look bad, ask but like the actual drama between the brothers I felt like it wasn't. It didn't feel like two brothers, arguing it just felt like some dude who used to be king in now. This dude, who is king. I don't know they just didn't feel like. There was something there like a family bonding of any kind. Kind so I. WanNa say there's a little bit in the arc before this or maybe I'm reading her. Actually the I just I. Don't know I. Just I didn't learn enough about Atlanta's like I felt like shoot. Learn more about like how they're battles. Stuff works like I. Don't know I just I. Just wish it was longer like I didn't feel. Condense to me. It, was it once it picks up? The action starts. It's over. It really is yeah. In ashes, Boom Boom Bang Bang. It's almost like Michael, Bay, movie or something, but I know Jeff. I know we all know. Yeah. He's he's never been. One of my favorite writers. oddly on. Yeah, he's. He's written written kind of everything but I. I like him especially with justice. League I think he did a really good job with Justice League. Yeah, I mean there's I'm not saying there's not stuff I don't i. don't like of his, but like you. One of my favorites I. Don't think he's consistently good like some other people, but I don't like most of his ideas, but he's this thing like the way he started it with all command. I appreciate it, but this actual. Volume by itself. You have not putting on the shell scoring in the box. Plots. I, not what I expected but okay. Now I see your arguments. There I will respect our writing. Wraps it up and. He just upset because comment would be awesome. Maybe that's what he's upset with this book. That's probably. I mean just sure going through. It's very normal to go inside a place of business. Go, man I, just WanNa bummer off the okay right by steal beer you all copter days after me. It'd be okay. Right like and. Wraps up this episode. Lump it. You've been listening to another comic episode of Cave My mom out I'm not sure what we're going to do next. We have some ideas outside. Do over going to talk about the that one. I'll be published. or Want. Give awesome shot, awesome, intro, altro, courtesy, a Bobby Aka, Mike Stone for Z P. Bite the bullet songs. The cool kids squad I've said that somebody point you'll see a link in the show notes for his youtube for his. You Channel. Who definitely check him out? He always appreciates it and keep listening to these. I mean we do these once we do is once a month. Free planning to do more once. Life schools down and we're not going crazy in what? We're GONNA. Come from once all that calm down. Any more. Status to and see you guys. Keep us during up, so we'll see you next week by John Forget to wash your hands. Don't touch your face and don't touch anybody else face. And that's this year. Off.

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Fan culture and #ReleaseTheSnyderCut

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Fan culture and #ReleaseTheSnyderCut

"The Corona virus is changing our communities our jobs and the way we live. America interrupted is a new podcast series from the PBS news. Hour how we're coping and where we go from here. You can find. America interrupted wherever. You get your podcasts. This is a CBC podcast. Hi there. I'm pitch out of Paddock. We have to be ready you. There's an attack coming from far away. Not Coming it's already here. So that is from the twenty-seven Teen Movie Justice League starring Ben Affleck as Batman and Gal Gadot as wonder woman now superhero movies usually break records at the box office but this one fell way below. Expectations critics Pandit and so did a lot of DC comics fans. They were unhappy with what happened to the movie in post production were director Zack. Snyder had to step away from the project. That discontent unleashed a fan. Movement called Hashtag released. The Snyder cut so this week. After years of campaigning Snyder announced that his cut of Justice League would finally be released. Let me tell you. The reaction on social media was polarizing to say the least so today. We're digging into this whole saga and what it says about fandom today with two culture critics Tina has Sonya and John. Family are here with me. This is front burner Jon and Tina how to allow okay. I think the best place to start is frankly the beginning so John. Let me start with you with the original. Justice League film which came out in two thousand seventeen. You have seen this movie so in a nutshell. Thirty seconds or so review. It for me Well Okay so. I watched this movie in a basement. cinema on a matinee in one of the darkest periods of my life. And let's say did not let my spirit's it is a sort of a superhero crossover event. Movie in the style of the avengers But with DC comics superhero. So you got Batman. Superman wonder woman the Flash Akron all your favorites etc. And they're all teaming up to stop some sort of extra terrestrial inter dimensional threat. That is the plot precis. Okay it seems simple. I have so many questions about you being in a basement of a movie hall periods of Your Life but I will not go there because that's not what we are to talk about. I'm sorry you were going through a dark period at that time however you weren't the only one who pounded right and it didn't do well. Audiences basically hated this movie. It didn't do well at the box office. But then there's this other group of the audience. He's your like hard core D. C. Comic fans. They really didn't like John Specifically. What did they not like about it? So the original director. Tach to was his fellow Zach. Snyder who is a kind of Meathead Gym Rat Action Cinema Director and he was sort of the architect behind e style and tone of the what they call the DC universe because he directed man of steel and Batman Versus Superman and he had to leave the project because of personal reasons or they brought another director. Joss Weeden actually directed the of interest films. But whose toned could not be more different than Zack. Snyder's feel to sort of finish the film so that sort of created. This said that there was a lost Snyder. Cut of the film that many of these Wars Act Snyder fans wanted released. It was almost kind of mythical. Object was a presumed to exist and then be presumed to be better than the theatrical version. So big part of the complaint. Is I understand. It is that this film was not snyder like enough whatever that means explain what that means. Zach Snyder known for. What does Snyder like mean? If you've ever seen three hundred I feel like that's a I mean. That was the movie that basically like catapulted his career and the reason for that is because he. He likes to adapt these comic books. That are kind of going. Kind of dark You know there's usually a lot of violence a lot of like and sequences And with three hundred he did a really good job. I mean that movie took off us. He'd sort of set this precedent for creating these dark action. Heavy films super serious. You know. And then he was able to take over. Dc You so or that is Dc extended universe. Okay so Snyder. Has You just laid it out there? Tina I mean he. He has certain he's known for certain. Things and people are very fond of it so that says to me John that he probably has a. I don't know die hard fan base to what are what are Zach. Snyder fans like tear mentioned. I mean the violence. The gruesome nece is certainly a big element of his filmmaking and something that people find appealing the aesthetic citation of violence very slow mo bones cracking blood sort of like you imagine the boxing scenes for. Martin. Scorsese's raging bull but with Batman and Superman punching each other. That's sort of the aesthetic of his act. Snyder film. Also no trace of irony whatsoever right. I mean one of the things that has movies are criticized for watchman for example is not understanding the subtext of the source that he's adapting at all and I think his fans are very much. I mean look I I hesitate to paint fan bases with too broad brush. I'm sure that there are some very sensitive Zach Snyder fans. I myself find his films interesting if not at all entertaining But I think that there is this sort of level of almost macho aggressiveness that feeds very easily into what sometimes called toxic fandom. These days These are people who probably wear you know Bro. Do you even lift t shirts? Even though I imagine they don't themselves lift okay as you say John. A lot of people like Snyder films but that is a large portion of his fan base. And then this vertical movement that develops around. All this called Hashtag released. The Snyder Cut Tina. What is this moving? What is a get up to? Yeah so I mean you know. This movie came out in two thousand seventeen and the campaign. Technically did start around there but the actual campaign for the Snyder cut didn't really take off until two years later. Batman and wonderwoman are joining forces again in a way. Ben Affleck Gallbladder and Zach. Snyder are calling on brothers. Release Snyder's version of 2017. Justice League Gadot was the first big name to join the fan movement. Posting a black and white behind the scenes photo from the movie with the Hashtag released. The Snyder cut and when that happened this number twenty nineteen the Internet. You know it basically killed itself in in that one day it was in sane. How much passionate people really brought to this campaign? I mean it's kind of crazy. Some of the things that they did like well. I'm going to read a description from a website that was started by a fan. It's called four Snyder. Cut Dot Com just to give you a sense of How verbose and passionate people can be about these things for Snyder? Cuts mission is to share what we love about the vision. We've seen and bring to Light Division on Justice League that we didn't see our goal is to see the time care deliberation preparation and intentions that into principal. Anyways I'm not gonna read the whole thing. People really really really get so passionate about this supposed- you know better version of the movie. There is funding for a billboard and bus stop ad during the San Diego Comic Con Flyers Digital Billboards at Times Square during the New York City. Comic Con They actually raised a ton of money like over thirty grand for the American Foundation for suicide prevention so I wanted to say like in the midst of all of this like fantastic city which will get to like in terms of what they did. There were some good things that came out of it at the same time they started getting extremely paranoid and jealous and just extremely defensive anytime. Anyone said anything negative about Justice League or Snyder. They also troll warner brothers accounts as well so like on any social media platform on any warner brothers account whether it's related to DC or not. It doesn't matter. They're demanding for the release of the center cut and this has been going on for many many many months. The theatres have closed. But the show look on play me. Podcast is thrilled to present a new series. The show must go on featuring provocative productions from some of North America's most acclaimed creators for the stage. Sit Back and experience. Everything from chilling thrillers to Gut wrenching dramas to arrive comedies. Each month experience the exhilaration of theatre from the comfort of your own home. Plenty available wherever you get your podcasts. John we're talking about a movie right like this. This impassioned people so much to do the things that that teen just laid out there. It wasn't just you know an online petition. The public demonstrations at Warner Brothers Studio in Burbank Ca Times Square ads and all of that and then all the online trolling as Tina. Just mentioned and I don't mean to diminish trolling in any way. But how bad did it get like? We're things pretty vile things like like. I say there's always people who there are people who genuinely interested in seeing a Zach Snyder cut of this film who likes films and have good reasons for liking films again. Zach Snyder's the kind of director who I would personally read a book about although I don't really take much pleasure out of his films if that makes sense but there's always people on the other side there's always sort of fans who are I don't even Wanna use the word passionate toxic comes up a lot right. I mean the idea that the essentially harassing people the idea that they have this delusion that they have ownership over this thing that they're just fans of and it does take this kind of odd political dimension where people are almost using like political tactics to try to leverage their perceived power for something that they want but I guess the recent news of this is coming out. It's proof that those tactics can work. So they what they wanted as you say John on Wednesday. The news comes out that the Snyder cut is going to be released today. Twenty twenty one is when it's going to come. I can't believe it. I didn't think it was ever GonNa Happen. I didn't think it was possible book. The Snyder cut is being released. That's right releases as worked. Hbo B. O. Mac I guess the interesting thing about this is that this is not the first time that Fan Campaign to get a movie made or TV show to return has worked and John this area of you know of the world interest you. How much of a precedence is therefore this? If you scream loud enough and get enough people out you get your movie made the movie made or the TV show back. The biggest historical precedent would be the original star trek which was canceled after two seasons and then a fan letter writing campaign Got The show renewed for a third season. These are the voyages of the star ship. Enterprise it's five year mission to explore strange world to seek out new life new civilizations to boldly go where no man has gone before. Now the key there is that once it got into three seasons it could go into syndication which meant that star. Trek could nurture fan. Base for decades. Movies came out. You know whole other series spin offs and stuff like that star. Trek is obviously a phenomenon because of that campaign now the thing about that is those campaigns were undertaken with the creator of Star Trek Gene Roddenberry. Who wanted to show brought back now? I think what's happening here. First of all I will say that thinking about it. Now within. Zack Snyder's films. There's a sort of recurring theme of a small determined Band of people coming together to overwhelm an opposing force. That's much larger Which might sort of inspire his fan base to undertake these activities. I suppose But also frankly I think studios don't know what to do now because of the pandemic so that the pressure from fans the interest from Snyder himself. An idea that while we've got all this footage laying around we might as well spend twenty to thirty million dollars to re cut a four hour version of a movie. No one liked in the first place. I think that that is a kind of unique combination of forces. Do I think that like studios and everyone will all of a sudden? Just start capitulating to fans. No I don't because fans ultimately powerless they have the perception of their own power. But they don't have any leverage against these studios so this is one of those Exception that proves the rule type things in my view I was GonNa say this is It's kind of interesting because there's a there's a great Post on medium by someone named J M Carter at with with the title would releasing. The Snyder cut just be rewarding. Bad behavior which I think is a really interesting question because given just how toxic this fan base has been For the past several months it is kind of strange to release it in the end and I don't know really what that says you know on a larger scale about how studios are treating fans. I do think that At the end of the day so they don't really have as much power as we think I think you know there's all these like behind the scenes machinations that we're just not really made aware of It's quite likely that Snyder has been also championing for this cause On a much quieter level. I will say that. Despite all the toxicity. It's not like Snyder ever came out and and decried his fans for for doing these things. He's been quite quiet. You know content to be so during this entire time and if finally say to address pointer first of all this rewarding bad behavior stuff. There's something so coddling in that language that I. I mean all blockbusters bad behavior and poor taste of their fans who buy tickets to movies. That are no good The entire Hollywood's system is built unrewarding people's bad behavior as far as Snyder himself unsure. He wasn't all but it's important to point out that he didn't get kicked off this project for ineptitude or something like that. He stopped making justice because his committed suicide and it was a personal tragedy for him and he had this vision of this film. Whatever you think about him and his movies That he wanted to pull off on screen so I can understand him wanting to do it. Especially now now. At the end of the day I think that the risk of being cold hearted pragmatists. The only thing that matters were brothers. These people is if this film will make money. Can we put twenty million dollars into this and people see it? They probably calculated that Dow they can because there's not an a lot of other stuff in the pipe completely. I completely agree with you. John and I and I do think that What's going to be a really interesting question is whether or not the new film is any good. Is it going to be everything? That's what I wanted to ask. No I wanted to ask John. You you say the beginning. Look I've seen this thing. It's garbage tire fire. And now there's all this hope by other people that Zack Snyder's return is gonna put that tire fire out and turn this into something good. Do you think it's going to be good? I think it'll be as accent either movie. Which is what some people like whether or not. That's good or bad as a matter of taste. I actually find his films. Weirdly compelling because as Tina mentioned there so serious and so gruesome and so violent that they almost become funny like a different form of almost like Superhero Camp Movies and Zach Snyder. I'm reminded of one of my favorite lines in the film the Big Lebowski to paraphrase. It it's you know. Say what you will but at least it's an ethos and that's how I feel about Zach Snyder and you can feel one way or the other about his films. But they're very much distinctly his. They may be these sort of Weird Power Fantasies and fascistic parables weird in Rand worldview and I find the fact that he has a worldview refreshing. Because I think filmmaker like Josh Sweden or most of the people who make the big blockbusters have no view whatsoever. No perspective whatsoever. I'm curious to see it. Will I be conventionally entertained by it? I sincerely doubt it given that there's so much ideology and mythology around this Zach Snyder cult if you will I think I think a lot of fans will get what they always wanted like regardless of whether it's good or bad doesn't matter the fact is that it has its name on it and it's his version of the movie. That's what the fans really care about. Well listen you to circle the calendar. Twenty twenty one. Some of us are looking forward to that. Because hopefully there'll be a vaccine for corona virus by then but others are also looking forward to this movie so circle the calendar. Thanks a lot you both next year. Thank you so much that's for today. Front burner comes to you from. Cbc News and CBC podcast and the show was produced this week by imaging Burchard Elaine. 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Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League, Gotham Knights, COD Black Ops Cold War leaks | News Roundup

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Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League, Gotham Knights, COD Black Ops Cold War leaks | News Roundup

"Welcome back to this week in video games, and this is the news roundup giving you all the latest videogame news you need to know in just minutes. If you find this useful, then don't forget to like Shannon subscribe on Youtube and favorite podcast APP links down below in the description or the show notes. So it's twenty fifth of August, twenty. Twenty let's get into the news I up suicide squad kill the Justice League debuts in stunning Troia, this one comes from Andrew Reina of game informer. There's a big day for suicide squad at the DC Fan Dome Daylong livestream filled with reviews for upcoming Games. Comics, movies, and more suicide squad fun began with behind the scenes look from James guns upcoming film. Later in the day were shown the first trailer for Rock Steady Studio Suicide Squad kill the Justice League game, which is slated to release in twenty twenty two and is a wonderful player Corp Experience Yep. You heard that right? We won't be playing the game until two, thousand, twenty, two in the trailer ruxton debut the four characters. So highly Queen King Sean Sean Captain Brome rang we'll also hear the voice of Manuela reminds us squad. After do is she says all the bombs in the heads will detonate. Squad is located in metropolis, which is currently being invaded by BRAINIAC and his alien millions, which quickly revealed have perfect like the squad make sure work. In this I look at suicide squad killed the Justice League is much brighter than the other Arkham Games that rock steady have made this part of the same universe. Some of the stories that starred in the Arken Games will continue in this upcoming release. Roque. Study. Says, the game will be a blend of mealy and gunplay. Each character will have a rich move set you taste of our in the trailer one move is that your be? To a fuel dump from his jet pack to enemies on fire, and the entire game can be played single player four as a four player cooperative experience with friends. If you're single play, you can switch between any character, any given time and they're going to be controlled by I when using them and their target. Well, let's Rainier powered Superman suicide squad kill the Justice League is a true next canaries from release coming to PS five xbox series. X and PC, and we got more DC news next up where the next Batman game is Gotham Knights and Batmans dead. This one comes from Jonathan Bowling our PC game. So revealed at the Fan Zone livestream gotten nights is the next game from WB Games Montreal as as Batmans for successes in a world where Batman is no more to go back, go robin night win and Red Hood and the new heroes have gotten and they've got. A team up to stop plan that looks like it's going to involve the normal variety of Batman villains. Surely, after the cinematic WB also revealed a gameplay video showcasing go and Robin during head to head with Mr freeze sadly, it doesn't say cool it, but they may be holding that one out for later on during the game play, the perspective switches back and forth between the two characters and all the game we'll be pliable into player Cohen. Cinematic trailer out onto the story. So Batman is apparently dead and he's triggered an emergency protocol some of them to protect his city. Now he's gone. If you remember the ending of our night. Then this is no surprise if you're watching this I'M This is co black says the trailer voiceover. This message was automatically triggered when are destroyed the cave and everything in it. Now, Batman, successes are going to team up to figure out what's going on with the PAT and what's going on in Gotham story will apparently crypt from the pop core. AL's coming storyline though Paula developers. That's not the only thing going on in a trailer. We see Night Wing Back Ville Red Robin, and red. Hood also it up for combat and each will only unique customers will style of combat per the developers. Night Wing seems to be acrobatic and stealthy back home finds a lot like Batman for those. She takes down enemies and acrobatically runs into kicks Robin specifically Red Robin lightly with him drake in the seems acrobatic and fast just as you'd expect, meanwhile, Red Hood appears to have dangerous superpower commonly known as having guns 'cause nights release in twenty, twenty one and also in calling now is not really dead unlock a pliable character near the envy new game plus from. Thank stuff in the news. Black. Blackhawks Cold War league reveals is a direct sequel to blackhawks one. This one comes from Emma. Vera game. So we are a day out from the official reveal Koji backups, cold, War and the leaks coming thick and fast as yet. Another data mine has revealed the official description for the title and even a possible release date before description of Blackhawks. Cold War was post by cut tracker, and that reveals the game is a direct sequel to the original backups set in the midst of the Cold War in one thousand, nine, hundred eighty s plans battle around the globe to locales like East Berlin Vietnam Turkey, Soviet KGB headquarters, and much much more. As elite operatives follow the trail of a shadowy figure named Perseus who is on a mission to destabilize the global balance of power and change the course of history descend into the dark center of the global conspiracy alongside iconic characters. Woods makes them in Hudson new cars of operatives attempting to stop a plot decades in the making. Alongside, the campaign description confirms that Cold War will feature both multiplier and zombies experiences. The description isn't the only black ops code warlito spill today. 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Looks like it's going head at six thirty PM UK time tomorrow and the cooler duty twitter account posted a teaser video sharing wars airplane along with the time and Dansk the location, and it definitely seems like the new game is going to be revealed through some sort of live in game event though we have to find out exactly white by dropping into dance tomorrow evening reach to be honest I was probably going to do anyway. Next stuff in the news accuser like a dragon arrives on November thirteenth, and this one is from Julia Lee our probably gone. Yakuza like a dragon is GonNa Launch November thirteenth according to a new trailer backdropped on Monday morning. So dragon features a new cast of characters that can be set in a party with an assortment of various jobs, idol or host club member as usual despite his premise about accused skirmishes, the game play is lighthearted and almost goofy putting the characters into hilarious situations that one would normally expect. This Yakuza game doesn't use real time combat system. The previous titles has instead uses a turn based RPG combat for the time in the franchise's history. These setting has moved away from Tokyo and now focuses on Yokohama. Instead, it was like a dragon will launch on November, the thirteenth xbox one windows, ten playstation for and stain. So launch on the experts series on the consoles released I and the playstation five at tighter time, and finally in the news today, electronic at twenty arts adds more than thousand achievements to its games on steam. This one comes from Andy Chalk PC Gamer. A. Have now added achievements for more than two dozen games on steam and the good news is that as long as you've completed their task at some point in the past, even on origin, you get the recognition near crave. The based on popular demand airs labeled over thousand steam achievements for a large number of recently released games including power field five time photo and need for speed. 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Death of Superman (Comic) - GMMF

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Death of Superman (Comic) - GMMF

"Hi everybody nobody and welcome to our special of games. My mom found I M my Calverton and who's with me tonight. Just me stuff and J._D.. We're bringing you guys a special episode this week which is us too and we're GONNA be talking about that. Actually she's definitely injuries what we're GONNA be talking about this week and this was your pick. It's like five trades but basically we're GONNA be talking about the death of Superman which was a nineteen ninety-two comic book which also like something out. It's something that's very famous even for somebody if you're not accountable reader like I back even nowadays. I'm not really a big comic book reader I from most of them. This is one that I knew of but by. I didn't know about ninety two by the time I found out about it. He was well already alive and everything back to normal right one the ones that stands out to me the funny part about is when we first talked about doing this you know like okay read the destitute men I actually found the Superman Doomsday trade. I and I read that one. I which is the last one of the series essentially essentially I mean because it's a way that this kind of broken up into is you have the death of superman funeral for a friend which are GONNA be spoilers for all these all these trades <unk> then you have rain of Superman then you have men return. I think it's a little bit later before they bring in the Superman Doomsday book which is the last one of this series generally bringing back all all the main characters for death AC- permanant return superman pre yeah us give us like the basic for death superman kind of the history behind all of this his very very dumb and I know a lot of people in the Comic Book Industry Actually didn't <hes> like they were killing Superman and <hes> some of the creators who worked on Death Superman were getting death threats and shit because people really care care here for the character so at the time around that time John Byrne was writing all the superman comics that were coming out and he did. I think he did it for a year and a half or something and as soon as John Byrne earn quit writing Superman a new team came in and they had to basically go on a retreat and decide what they were going to write for the history going forward and all the stories and everything so they basically really had it took five people to replace John Byrne I think I think it was five people which is a lot of lot Ya and at this time they had come up with an idea that they want to Lois and Clark to finally Clark to reveal that he's superman and then for them to get married but they couldn't do that because <hes> low Lewis and Clark the show had come out out and a Soak Saito was also a little bit W._b.. I didn't look that part of that. I can't remember I mean like I also to me. It felt like it was just that extra little nail in the coffin to make you feel more upset for for what's happening to Superman and more upset the other decanters involved by having him just getting engaged right before this all happens because as you're reading a superman when it starts off she's talking about how they're engaged in. How all that is going on? It's just more to kind of stabby be right in the gut with what's happening right and so the COP book they the Writing Team to replace John Byrne they had wanted to finally get married and of course you know <hes> characters have been together haven't been together for a long time in comics mix. Getting married is always big deal and <hes> the people who are working on Lewis and Clark. They said No. You can't do that until we decide. We WanNa put it in the show. Otherwise it won't line up correctly so the writing team Ah essentially had to scrap all their ideas I didn't know this and just because the damn TV show and they were trying to come up there trying to come up with new ideas and Jerry ordway kept joking like yeah <hes> well. Why don't we just kill them? Just kill Superman like we can't come up with anything. Godless just kill his ass and they ruined on their chalkboard. <hes> the Word Doomsday as a joke like Superman's Doomsday's coming coming so that was essentially how the name got there okay that I didn't know I didn't know that when they made doomsday one of the reason why they invented him because they wanted a character who could beat superman on his own terms and be up up to the same strength where most <unk> Manville I understand correctly are smarter than him or have magic have magical powers something besides just brute strength right Super Lands Achilles heel is magic. I don't read comics that much like this was the first time I've redden well over a year for this show. I read a lot for this. Damn episode God. I read too much rate. I should say his Achilles heel is magic but like the thing that could actually take him out as obviously Kryptonite. I don't want anyone to think that I forgot yeah well. When the first thing that I did I do really like about Marinas Doomsday? This deficit remained calm when you when you first start off you start seeing how they introduced dooms as just a just a fist punching a wall to me. That was kind of very you Dec- this fist nothing else more you don't have any idea what's coming to see a hand punching the wall and in each panel you keep going down you to see more and more of the glove that he's all tied up and which you don't find out why he's tied up for this book this and we were talking about earlier before the show the one the first things you see him as he burst out of the ground we'll doomsday ground and you see a little bird fly up to them. He has a beautiful yellow little bird and he just he just squeezes it and the word they have on here that they do for the sound effect is Blerk B. L. O. R. C. H.. Blocks or something like that netted like what the Hell L. Intestines just going. I mean this is such a strange strange intro to a character I mean for me. Comics have always been something that I felt that are hard to get into because it it feels like such daunting task in Superman Doomsday also Kinda district man. This whole thing kind of shows it to is because each issue isn't all just in one run like okay. There's about about man thirty. Three's all by men thirty four and that's one thing turn me off the comic you need to buy hi. This is all part of the story in this comic as part of the story in this comic story right like essentially a good example would be this because of the five different Superman Comics each part of Doomsday story would be in one one of those other comics that like so subscribed to just superman then you wouldn't have the rest of the story in one of the other comics <hes> forget the name of the other ones but yeah no man of deal <hes> yes so after <unk> destroys the <unk> the bird across deer and then just frigging kills that as well like the dude is on a rampage from page one it right yeah and it isn't even the man who fights him. I assume man's off in the underground doing whatever the hell with these characters I did not recognize your anything and the Justice League and so fighting Doomsday early on this which I thought was hilarious is by Jesse. I'm thinking Batman Wonder Woman Green Lantern While like Hal Jordan or John Stewart more faint you know more of the characters you would see and you get to me. I consider the I didn't think it was just that I thought it was like justice or some other group the Justice League it's booster Gold Blue Beetle which the two that I did know fire and ice which I never heard of before and then Guy Gardner but he's no longer a green lantern because he got fired which I was like what the Hell and I bowl cut his hair even the nineties. It's terrible. I mean look if you look up a Guy Gardner Doomsday or something of that in haircut. You'll just see it's just terrible haircut cutty. Has I mean that wasn't cool. The nineties cool and I do not oh you're dumb and dumber but yeah fire fire before until this comic I kinda tried to stay like I watch the cartoons I watched Justice League Justice League unlimited. I try to absorb it and other ways of comics. I have never heard of fire and ice before I believe they weren't Justice League unlimited. I just don't remember that I think I think flash tries to hit on fire. I think I can believe that and there's somebody else too but I can't remember her name. I think there's someone else in this group O blood wine that his name or yeah something like that. The African American did yeah eh again. This is the the the Reject Justice League Essentially Fighting Doomsday National Yeah and that's what I thought it was I. I thought it was a different team but it's the real team it was in the justice book this time he's just hilarious to me and then the other part that makes everything also even Funnier is that doomsday kicks all their asses with one arm tied behind his back. It's like it's like they knew exactly what they were doing when they did that <hes> they were just they're just trying to show off. How powerful is and I just thought was hilarious? That has got one. Are you just beaten the whole fucking team up with one arm behind his back and he's still got his mascot. He still all like goggles and everything. It can the shit out of them. Hella and <hes> we should also mention that for people who do go back and read the comic <hes> they might notice something they haven't noticed before and that's with each issue that came out the the number of panels on each page would start to shrink as if to say the action was building up and getting bigger so I think the first issue had had like four panels a page and then issue to goes to three then so on and so the last issue it's just all splash one page panels of them. Just Duke it out. I yeah it's a weird little thing like even 'cause my history was superman or death. Superman is <hes> when this came out my dad would because I wasn't like the greatest reader at that time I was like five years old but my dad would basically by the graphic novel or issues of comic books and I would sit next to his bed and he would read them to me and that was kind of actually how I got into comics and death. Superman was one of those first comic books that he read to me that really grabbed me because I mean just seeing superman getting his ass kicked. That's scared me. I mean especially especially you looking at in the nineties. I'm assuming you have been around since the forties so it's even if you're someone that doesn't follow comics you never read a comic you know <unk> as even in the ninety wood who manages it just same as Batman Sameness Cap America Erica. I I feel Cap America Spider man characters. You just not no matter what I mean. Now you have all the movies and everything you have all the the media surrounding you would back then nineties you were starting to get it wasn't everywhere yet right. We would get certainly got who long we got now on. Thank God that blew up in the right. One is all any other character of the Justice League beside blood wind with Maxima with another character. I never heard of before either. That's also fighting fit. I think <unk> sink her history with Superman as they were supposed to get married or something but they're they're like love and curse something like that. I mean I know Anna where someone of someone talks about him sleeping. Would I think I think it was her one of the characters in northern or something. There's something stupid. There's like a one second panel of really yeah yeah. So what am I stayed one second panel one handle. It will probably took one second to read it but yeah I did <hes> but basically what happens in Depth Superman is doomsday. Literally is like a plague like nothing can stop them. He wants to destroy everything. That's his mission. <hes> something that's a revealed later is that he can sense that Superman is a crip Tony Allen. That's why he chooses to fight him. The most center anyone they don't mention that till the very the very end of all these trade by the way correct and it will we'll get into the history of doomsday but he basically consents the remains a Tony and that's why they end up doing it out to the death all all the way up until they doomsday reaches metropolis and the the funny thing is I think it's humorous and why he ends up going to metropolis because he sees an ad on T._v.. For wrestling a wrestling event in metropolis purpose and that's what draws him to go all the way there so I mean it's just a ninety thing. I'm like that's what in the Neth really what makes superman gets so I mean they're trying to stop him. He just run across country shy. He's just taken out everybody buddy in everything and then he sees key sees a T._v.. Event then he's like all go to metropolis and I'm just like what really okay I'll we should also mention. He does run into booster gold of all people on the way there when he fights we you should go as the Justice League in kicks his ass yeah and booster gold literally would have got his head knocked off had he not activated as shields right at the last second but he's still he's still gets his ascot yeah. It's it's it's actually pretty universal. I I like booster. Gold who gets asked Alley called a lot to it just <hes> and then it goes on for about five or six issue. Maybe like four or five issues you have the whole Upkeep <unk> of Superman and doomsday fighting each other them getting ready to what I mean kids. They're just sitting there. Dukhan out in metropolis and other people are shooting at at doomsaying thing but it's just really superman doomsday just exchanging punches yeah almost like a two weary box boxers in the last round or something and you are right. I mean it really does go down to one panel on each page that you get the action of them just fighting each each other and it's it's it's brutal it is it's epic to get as a real epic looking story. I mean I I knew of Doomsday from when I was a kid because they had mrs years later this had to. I'm assuming ninety ninety six ninety seven at the time maybe earlier all I know is that the Superman Doomsday traded already released the comments that already run their course because I bought a figure set became a comic book I never cared about with men in doomsday fighting each other but he's wearing the suit that he he wears the Superman Doomsday trade way later after everything I am a black set no not the blacks at the mother box to okay yeah he gets he gets a mother clocks which has asking the Justice League Justice League movies. You'll kind of have an idea what I'm talking about and it gives them a brand new suit. He uses to Fight Doomsday which is interesting but I really love this figure. I still have it somewhere. I don't know where but I know I still have it in my parents house and <unk> I'd just and that was really like for me. That was really my first experience of Doomsday knowing like I had no idea what this kind of goes. I just knew this figure is really cool looking. I know super minutes. Yeah I do think the actual character of Doomsday does have a nice little I mean his whole concept and his makeup and everything is really a great contrast superman because he's just a dull grey and Superman's colorful you know I mean he just and he's all bones and skeletons and everything like popping out of him. You have spikes everywhere in me as the kid I thought he was the coolest looking villain ever. I still think he's cool. Who Am I <hes> but yeah we should say <hes> after the whole battle with Doomsday and Superman they basically trade one last one last? That's awesome blow the shakes like metropolis to where it's like breaking up on the concrete glass shattering everywhere and lowest of course comes over and Clark says goodbye to her any passes away and then that would end and what people thought was going to be the actual depth superman like D._c.. Had to like stop production on Superman comics they had to bring out the next part of it which was <hes> funeral funeral for a friend and people were like really yeah. It's really good and then people were literally like wow like he's really gone. They mean it because they are not coming or superman comic they did. That's another <hes>. I've never liked before this. Show will refer we're getting ready to destroy I'd never had read funeral for. I didn't even know what it was but when I was a kid I went over to a friend of mine how he was an older older. Guy Knows a teenager that I knew I was like seven or eight. He was probably thirteen or fourteen and on his closet door four he had a poster of Superman being carried in the coffin in all the hero all the DC heroes walking with him and I remember thinking that was so so cool mighty pride any four ninety five yeah I think I might have came with one of the issues or in the centerfold or something or it might just been sold at stores because it wasn't like it wasn't a big full poster right. It was like a little one. This is a memory of of federal. Mike and I'm now thirty one channel back. Yeah I mean to me. It was the full full closet but I mean again. We're trying to dig into into my memory. What files I so cool? Yeah yeah is definitely cool and they they went all out. I actually feel bad for whoever had to draw that because <hes> one of the things that concrete Garda's Whoa is complain about or well. I guess they're not complaining. They're just saying like it's it's tough to do a team book because you always have to fit so many people into one panel to show action or just you know have a battle that <hes> you know like you can tell what's going on and a lot of people complained about working on the X.. Men and I can only imagine that have been passed do everybody in D._C.. For funeral for friend well in the in the book itself the they do up there. Aren't you only have so many characters is not like ridiculous because most people are on the cover of the trade. Ad Poster is where it has everybody if I remember Cook I feel even the joker was on that particular poster that my friend had but I could remember all euros an bill the whole ideas that everybody is mourning the death of Superman right but again. It's been so many years I remember so little size exactly's say but after that directly goes into her saying funeral for a friend which is them trying to deal with what just happened and that are realizing that he's dead. He ain't coming back at least Polish sure and I really liked it. It was entertaining. All one thing we haven't mentioned yet is super hero in quotations. They can't do this on an audio. PODCAST is there and she tries to fight with him and I'm like okay. Now this is kind of strange like why is super girl sitting next to the lex Luther and wise lessons or not bald. Why does he have long flowing hair and she's calling him her lover? I'm like what is going on here and I'm still not completely sure. Hopefully you can fix that during this so one of the things that just really maybe go what the fuck was Doomsday Punch supergirl during their fight and her whole face just go blah like a big like she just like he just punt stuffing Jelly and then later on you find out that the super girls shape shifter Matrix I think I think her name is Matrix. Okay this is not this is not the carer Danvers I know yeah that's all I know it's it's not card cares. Al Our cars are something else it's not even supergirl. It's something that transforms into look like supergirl and it some other creature that is Lexin Thor's lover or Alexa them to the seconds lover right I think she she came from a parallel universe or something and she was like the only survivor of the phantom zone or something this matrix chick who will become supergirl yeah I just really strange and and it just on also often when I saw lex luther I'm like why does he have red hair. Why is he and then you find you? Don't find find out later that is not really. It's everyone thinks his lex luther son but it's not spoiler alert. It's land brain put into a younger body right. It's very hard I just for anyone listening. It's very hard to like. Try to think of a good way to condense this because there's so many small little things going on that like happened before this event that are still continuing the event and this event. You'd be confused. It's all you read so he while you ginger yeah he always had red hair like at least I'm thinking of Smallville I know in smallville in one of the very few that T._v. show when they show him as a kid they show him red hair before Meteo hits and takes away his hair so there is that in that kind of what I was using my brain but okay that makes sense but it just it's very weird who you find out that Oh it's just lex luther. He just isn't a different body because comics right. What was your because I'll I'll tell you mine? What was your favorite part of a funeral for a friend when the Real Justice League shows up as bad as van Flash Batman Wonder Woman Hawk Man Hal Jordan Green Lantern Walkman wasn't the Justice League to me? They all start showing up and I'm like where the hell were. You guys like three issues ago. The Teen Titans Show Up. I mean the old flash from the nineteen forty comic shows up. I mean Green Arrow. Everybody just like really you guys show up after he's dead yeah. You couldn't back him up when he was getting his ass. Hannah tone. I mean funeral for a friend is is Ashley a really good the trade it's very sad I mean because it talks about him. Dying everyone you know saying how they feel and I one thing I thought was funny is Lex. Luther is mad because he's not landed that man dead. He's mad that he didn't do it but he punched cough and if I remember correctly and it's like you're supposed to be meted which fits just fine of course because he has that type of ego. I mean I get enjoy reading. I was <unk>. I was glad that you picked it just because it's one of those comics that I always knew about what I I don't read comics and this is what forced me to do it so I'm not I'm not addicted to yeah. I mean you know reading a world without Superman as a pretty interesting comic to have you know and your fingertips in one thing comics is always like I said before. It's turned me off just feeling like you're trying to get into a story. That's been going on for so many years and you don't where to go and that's what kind of stopped me but if you're someone that's interested you could easily still read this or just listen to what we're saying this episode and get a pretty good grasp of the of these stories all there. There's a pack no but I want to mention what Bill Clinton Hillary Clinton in the book yeah President at the time and it just it. I started cracking up just because I mean I know they always put president whoever's president the lifetime to end up in comics but it just I I wasn't expecting it so it made me laugh 'cause i. I could hear it in his voice. I feel like marvel doesn't more than D._C.. But Yeah I remember that too that crack me up as well I I was having I was laughing. I was like Oh even damn shows goes up in here to later like you think about all these people they could. Maybe they could have done something about it but nope and you know I mean. Superman is their heaviest hitters so it's like if he can't do it. Who can you know yeah? I mean that's the whole idea I guess is that you had you had a villain that could go toe to toe within that could fight him. That is one of the most fiercest things you ever creatures you ever had in the D._C.. World General you'll like a super mammy comparing marvel and DC shoot man is probably one of the most powerful character period between Boparai yeah and maybe even overpowered some people would say use overpowered no question yeah yeah definitely at just what he is. I mean that's why you have such glaring weakness with Kryptonite. 'CAUSE YOU WANNA give character who's powerful something that stops him so yeah definitely yeah Emma my favorite part of funeral for a friend was when <hes> yeah and I remember watching an interview of <hes> one of the writers on the staff talking about it and they started like of crying and everything because it meant so much to them but there's a part in it where lowest doesn't WanNa call his is Clark's parents because she doesn't want it to be true that he's dead food and I don't know it's just like a little touching moment but I've always loved a lot. Also funeral for a friend is longer man returns or not humanitarian but superman a deficit man right yeah. I think we said was four. She's five something like that. I'm past that point of view on look it up at the moment who all and and funeral for a friend introduce character that I'm sure it's already been in D._C.. Comic but I was frightened cracking up anyone listening to this you have access to the internet or remember later. Look Up Gang Buster D._C.. Comics because I don't know game muster might get you somewhere. You don't WanNa go so boy. You know what I'm talking about. Did you look this up when I talked to look it up right. Wow we're talking in the gang. Buster is is this random guy who is a hero. A metropolis who's crying man has died in crime is getting worse and someone's gotTa do it so he he essentially daredevil but he's not blind and he it looks like a complete utter idiot yet. I'm looking at it up right now. DAREDEVIL has the freaking Red Numb chucks like daredevil. It's ridiculous. I was like what will make really and I know daredevil. It had to been invented before him because they're double is a very is an early marvel character. He just he looks like the rent a cop of daredevil even on his chest yes a little a little like no smoking sign but with a fist in the center her and obviously this is terrible was fucking terrible and all man and he's a he's a Spanish dude to that shares the same last name as me. Oh why KANU gained buster now and introduced on the show buster at all so it's going to and then funeral for a friend does end with them. Finding the coffin. Superman's body is missing stolen. Essentially they buried him under this huge <hes> statue that's just superman with American Eagle on his outstretched Sharm and underneath these buried underneath inside of a lex luther of all people the one that built the two for right nope it was a tunnel was yeah yeah but essentially after funeral for a friend <hes> mm-hmm because like gangbusters for instance crime is rising to the real terrible character because crime is rising. <hes> people are now saying well. We're going to try and take the place of Superman and everyone wants to know who these other supermen are that just showed up to the scene and there's you have cyborg superman super boy who claims to be reincarnated Superman Klenk man. He's a clone made by blacks loser and Eagles boys made by Cadmus cadmus yeah but it I think they're I think they run together in like doing this is what I think it is or I might be thinking about. The Superman does superman the movie but you're thinking not in the comics okay and then there's also still who is John Henry Irons before you go any farther I remember this when I was a kid in nineteen ninety seven. They made a steal movie about this character her with Shack E._s. they did. I wasn't sure I'm like was that the same character so why we were taught while you were talking. I was googling Yes yes. It was oh man yeah but yeah so there's shack. Super Boy cyborg Superman and the last one is called the eradicators who also claims to be superman but he's not and he wears glasses. They call him the last trip Tony. He is the see whatever you just said. I can't remember all of a sudden <hes> cater. Yes they call him the last Tony and the funny thing he's like I am Superman and then he kills somebody like a first time you see him right because he doesn't have the same moral compass. It's essentially the idea ah what if someone Superman's powers but wasn't raised by Martha and Jonathan Kent is the whole idea is that you took someone and you don't give them the humanity you don't give them the ability to learn to you can be human essentially an life doesn't mean anything because humans to him in this are just past there just something to step on they break law. They seal a car. Just kill them who cares they're. They're pets by an the radical leader. Actually this isn't the first time that character has been called eradicators in <unk> book. I think this is the third one and essentially what he's doing which which out of all the superman that show up on the scene the reason why he's my favorite it is could generally just because of his back story and what he's doing is he's posing a superman because he took he's the one who took Super Man's body and he put it in regeneration Matrix which can restore a Tony's body one time so he's using a and the eradicators uses some of Superman's powers while he's recuperating to pose as him and eradicators on Krypton would actually change the D._N._A.. Of Tony Ins to keep them from leaving the planet because they were essentially like Tony <unk> protectors so superman tip the eradicated from his eventually hat on war world to the fortress of solitude and it reactivates and and he thought it was it was dead and basically what it tries to do and this happens before death of Superman is it tries to change his psychology psychology into a more <hes> like formula crypto Nghien because that's all it knows and it superman has to toss it into the sun before tries to kill his Dad Jonathan. I didn't know any of that but I also anything beforehand like that. Yeah and then <hes> later later on <hes> the fortress of solitude robots actually <hes> reactivate the eradicators consciousness to steal Superman's body and that's how he gets put into the generation Matrix and he can pose as him in brain of Superman okay. I don't think I got to that part thing. If I did not know that and I I guess I wasn't paying enough attention which tends to happen during the during research for the show yeah and that goes back to me saying like we were saying before that like there's just so much going on in here from like previous comic books that we couldn't like go over all of it but I just wanted to get him in there because he's basically the main in reasons superman comes back he also gets killed in Superman returns later to. I'm pretty sure yes okay so yeah. I was reading that correctly. Do you WanNa talk about Superman returns how what's going on in their kind of break down with both because rain man is essentially he was saying you have you have all these characters coming out and they're doing stuff together cyborg superman. I am the Real Superman on C._N._N.. A you have all that happening and it's nothing super I I read most unfortunate. Get a chance to finish it all before this recording. There's not a whole lot but in Superman return is where the story starts to more earn and you start to really really see what's happening when you find out that cyborg Superman is really he definitely ain't no Kirk Clark Kent. That's for sure you find that out because he feels is a bad guy blows up a whole city coast city is blown up because of cyborg Superman John and I and and then also I thought was also funny. There's a part where it says the CYBORG Superman gives the president of the United States his number or something to column somehow information to contact is like hotline number. Is this weird I didn't. I didn't finish rain or returns. I didn't get around to it basically and it's Kinda Sucks Alexa that cyborg superman like turns out to be like the one he's kind of behind the scenes trying to take over the earth and like reconstruct it in his own image because he's able to like net. He's he's basically like <hes>. What's your call it from Terminator Skynet trying to Yeah Yeah Kinda I mean he can like he can take steel and like reshape it and like liquid terminator and he can essentially hack into things things and I mean he's kind of like terminator any looks like one too but yeah but <hes> basically that's what happens is he? He's the one who is the bad guy behind the scenes and he wants to basically transform the earth into his own image and it and then this is where all the other superman come together the ones that have been watching over metropolis while superman was gone recuperating they all come together and try and stop them and and of course they're no match for. We're also introduces another weird random DC character that is essential from a marvel comic. They introduced loose cannon look talking about. He looks at he. I I mean he looked just like beasts. He's blue and everything. I'm like you have to copy another thing that you just copy gangbusters dollars copies to like a detergent really do it for me rain in return. I just want him as interested in. I really fell off on them. I just haven't done I'm sticking with it. I mean I feel you only really key point was that superman can't replace the real superman and Cyborg is working with the guy for more world Lonzo Mongrel and which you don't find that out until he blows up coast city in and then everyone joins together and they fight. I guess I I didn't finish and it gets really weird. 'cause like Superman still doesn't like he hasn't sucked up enough of the sun's rays or something so he can't he can't really fly. He's more like the hulk has to jump. He has to use a laser gun instead of like brute strength. It's really goofy at I like return but I mean when you think of return compared to death death was way better is really good rain in return. Aren't that good like example. There's a there's a issue one early issues of the Superman returns. He's holding a fricking gun shoot man. I was looking at it right now. Forever talking. I'm just like why is your men have guns gun in his hand gun on his back. I'm like what the Hell Yeah <music> because he's not really ready to fight right and that's when he gets a black mullet or not the black and all but yeah black areas the mullet yeah he's essentially his hair only girls in mullet when he's recuperating ooh which is funny for a little while to he did and unless like Clark. It's Kinda go. I'm okay yeah you look worse than Guy Gardner. Yeah no no he doesn't nobody can look worse than Guy Gardner and just all that bowl cut is just frigging terrible and we were talking about earlier how they do weird shit with comics is there's even a green lantern issue continues part of the story in in the return of Superman <hes> which is why I was a kid I can never really follow up comment because I wouldn't know where to go. I would miss things and be confused and the only comics I really collected as a kid or the sonnet comics I used to read a Lotta Sonic Santic. I love that was that was my favorite favorite. Things favorite characters read about I've read a couple of them. They're good <hes> what's funny. Those you mentioned that and <hes> a day like now as far back as I remember it started with civil war in marvel comics but it could it could happen before them but they would. They would actually print out like okay. Here's the list of every issue that has anything to do with this and they would keep it near the register at a comic shop so you could be like Oh. I need to get the new avengers issue twenty seven. That's how I'll know what's going on next in because I don't think they did that back in the day in the nineties right did they they would even like a lot of old marvel comics. They would also put stuff in there where they would recognize like Oh see this issue in this when this happened and it would give you over so that wasn't something new but it's still in the night they've been doing it for years. It helped yeah but I want like they would have an actual checklists because I know like in the ninety s at the end of an issue it'd be like continued in action comics Blah Blah Blah but yeah yeah try to keep the inner engage with the book because I don't think trader big of a thing this time. I remember correctly if they were <hes>. I think the first trade was by <hes> what's his name. I think it's called in God. We trust or something man. I can't remember his name is to own it to okay never mind. It's not important one thing we did forget to mention that does happen. I WANNA say in. REIGN OF SUPERMAN IS THEY TAKE Doomsday's body and they tie it to me asteroid and send it off in space. Yes last cody does 'cause they killed them and cabin to keep his body and try to clone them essentially because that's that's what they do in this cast also if you're a follower of cartoon they were in the young gesture to cause soup of super poison that and things right and they have one of my favorite moments with the question you in the question but yeah and then after the last trade that finishes up the series which I feel like some point after everything. Have you know a decent time after is called Superman Doomsday which is what I read I when I sent the picture to to you the cover like Oh yeah read that one. I'm like okay then I'm like. Oh man didn't die in the book I read I totally got confused and when it said Superman Doomsday I was like oh that's it it probably just collects death and funeral and return and Michael Sir all that yeah it's also my favorite of all of the five trade. This was the one that I I read it. In the day. I could not put this down and what this is. This is doomsday's often space cyber shoot man the has been killed. I think then turn into a shipper stumping yeah you can turn to a small like chip or something writing on Doomsday somehow I don't know because I didn't finish burn so I don't know what happened to him. Other than it's a comic book. The villain didn't in win imagine that wanting to deepen the doomsday in the in the terrible Justice League movie with with Henry With Live action movie they were trying to do the whole Ma'am returns story where he come back into black suit with the mullet. He doesn't know who he is stuff like that but they they executed it so poorly. Yeah I think my only favorite scene out of that whole movie is when the flashes running by them any superman like slowly turns his I the a follow up on that that was cool. That was the only goal part out of that both I didn't even see Justice League in theaters. I was so excited for E.. V. S. and then the reviews came out and I'm like what I was still excited at and I was. I have not been let down a movie bad. Now is one of the words and I watched it on on d._V._D.. It it's actually really sad because when the that went Batman versus Superman came out at my local record store they were selling it for like four dollars. I think like within a month. It was just nobody wanted to. It's pretty bad good which also Oh when whenever <unk> doomsday one reason I really got into it is because I really like dark side and in this in this in this book doomsday ends up on apocalypse with Cyborg Superman and I just got so excited because you see dark side Fight Fight Doomsday and get his ask just handed to them which made me smile. I really like both these villains a lot yeah even in the fight like it's not even a fight he just he just has has no chance whatsoever against doomsday just tears through them and then you have Cyborg Superman which is looks like superman the mullet also for some reason. I don't know why I I didn't notice that until now right and the funny thing about this is I almost had the chance to rediscuss about forty three three to four years ago. When I used to collect comics all the time I went to a half price books and my buddy bought he's four trade <unk> Hunter Prey Book Book book before for like a dollar at the half they didn't? They didn't care what they weren't. I'm like what is this and he didn't say anything. He's you know he just bought them and looking back. I realized that was Ashley. This this series broken down. I'm so bummed that didn't get it because I really enjoyed it but he found them. I bought him that is still Ebay. My I read it before before we get and ahead sorry. I just want to correct myself earlier. It wasn't called in God we trust it was a will eisner con comic. The first graphic novel or one of them is called a contract with God and it came out in nineteen seventy eight. It's actually really good you know who what will eisner as Mike. I know the Eisner awards created. He created the spirit. Okay Oh okay I know movie. That's not supposed to be that great. It was awful for Taller sign and in the Superman Doomsday book I mean one thing is you have man actually rescue pop dark side which I thought was also kind of cool and he has <music>. I'm saying and then also you meet you. Meet you meet these guys earlier. There called the tribe. I think it's called the tribunal with wave rider which cracked me up because if you if you watch if you watch lessons of tomorrow on the D._C.. The D._C. shows way ride the name of the ship but it's also it was the name of character in the nineties. He's of these comics writer. Yeah they've tracked me up and there's also the Superman Doomsday trade when they finally tell you how doomsday came to life and they're the ones that explained you. There's actually Tonia on on a trip Tony Tony. Whatever the Hell trip todd what the hell am I saying of proponent convey doomsday in the way they made them just so fricking depressing as you're reading through it is they had had a little baby and they put the baby? Maybe out in this planet and I it's just dies from the atmosphere and then it eventually get usually atmosphere starts to be able to handle these terrible conditions because they keep taking a piece d._N._A.. Of of the dead baby and cloned again clone it again and they've been they do this like a hundred years. I think it is something ridiculous on who we're all the people involved off start dying off just so I mean that's why doomsday is how he is because he kept he was kept the memory kept everything that he from all these deaths and all this hatred rid of just constantly being murdered for hundreds of years every single day or every single month until his body was able to become what what is doomsday basically invulnerable to everything ever pretty much <hes> yeah so and then that's why going back to death that he knows that Superman Crypto Nghien and that he's going to be the one that's going to pose the biggest challenge to him on the whole entire planet which is what is interesting too because you don't find that out after I don't know if they didn't read it till later on wheels without in there yeah building on the mythology yeah definitely an awful isn't until Superman Doomsday when you find out that he got killed for the first time where he stayed dead for a while on one one of the on another planet some energy magical being able to kill doomsday and then they wrapped his ass in the green suit you I see him in with all these cables and they shoot 'em off in space because that makes and that's what leads she him eventually showing up on earth many many years later in D._C.. In The D._C.. Comic world is supposed to be like you know millennia or something like that because of course if anything called Doomsday should land anywhere always be earth yeah and there's also a funny thought there's a cool scene where dark side and superman kind of work together to beat cyborg Superman and Luthor. I thought that was really cool and then also end in this is also where that that figure I was talking about earlier where I had I had a little comic that was from this that had a superman wearing a different suit which is created by the mother box which is like a gold arm and he's got weird stuff on them and I'm like what the Hell Saints Man but I didn't know until this was from this comic right which I thought was really interesting on the toy yeah yeah but it's a cool cool sad. Shooting Doomsday's really the whole thing is really sad assumes they think when you find out everything that happened to them you understand why he's why he's trying to kill Superman because he's the last Tonia and there's the ones that put them. In this situation I mean he gets more and more powerful to as a fight against in the in the last one you know he's able to start shooting out projectiles toward you just keeps getting more and more powerful one point where he does like a supersonic thing to hurt them and then in the bones girl over his ears ears so he can't hear the sound on like job and showing the ultimate evolution type creature and did you get to the point how they finally kill him. I didn't would happen Tim in the wave rider not the one legend tomorrow of cake themselves and they put him at the end of time. Essentially why doesn't exist anymore while we should mention also that wave rider is part of the linear men and the linear men are basically. They make sure everything happens directly through time so I'm guessing that's how I was wrong. Marvel tribunal the living tribunal riot marble yeah yeah yeah so that's that's what happens. I'm guessing as they just they use that guy from the linear men yeah yeah it's funny I mean it was it was cool and then also within the also show that dark side had met doomsday many many years earlier when I was supposed to get married to somebody on this Planet Doomsday had landed on this planet dark dark site starts to fight him and somebody gets killed and then they just leave they just abandoned the planet and say we're good handle on to I. I liked it because I just I've always liked dark side he to me he's always. Is One those Nolan's dad just really stands out in an enduring this also had one of my favorite out of all the stuff we read for this episode ahead my favorite little couple issues where early on <hes> <unk> superman fights brainiac in the beginning of this trait of the of the story line and each brainiac things kills them or something and Doomsday is debt and all of a sudden doomsday comes back which is Carter like. It's called the Doomsday War the doomsday wars generally. You didn't read any of those. Did you know I I remember poster where Superman Batman and wonderwoman are all holding swords or something and they're surrounded by Doomsday's. That's something that that's the way this is. <hes> this fights BRAINIAC and what happened is doomsday has been has been gone because he sent him the end of the time and so he ain't around anymore and you have the real justice league wonder woman plastic man why the Fuck glassman I have no oh idea Martian manhunter Kyle Kyle Ragnar the Green Lantern Rainer yeah I'll orion flash. I think even Raven maybe this is I think might be raven but you have what consider more of the Real Justice League and I thought this was funny. This is that they're fighting doomsday. No not not Raven Humphries. Why the hell they have a hunter's? I have no idea she did join join the Justice League for a little bit but yeah raven was teen. Titans Okay but hunters is not ninety superhuman just a regular woman with a crossbow right yeah and this and this essentially Batman light and this whole time when you're fighting doomsday and get their asses handed to him <unk> Superman's not around he's off taking a baby and having to get this baby which is Lana lanes baby but he's not with Lana Lang to somewhere some special hospital and they're getting their asses handed handed to him by Doomsday and talking which if any when you read all these series doomed it doesn't talk. He doesn't grunting laughing. Kill find out that it's actually not doomsday. It's BRAINIAC inside Doomsday's body which is crazy which really wants to read what you didn't. You should still anyone who's listening to their google it online. I'm not gonNa tell you how you can find all this refined the trade these are definitely worth reading. I will not say uh-huh <hes> but I really enjoyed it. I mean I just and and seeing the real just as they get their ass handed to him. She's so good and it was just such a really good story to read as he fights as he fights his doomsday vape brainiac and they talked about stuff. That's going on like Theralac and things like that in Greenland being not evil but that's holder hell well I mean in the in this doomsday worth talking about in the very end of this they frigging steal the baby and brainiac trying to make the baby his his future body or something like that okay. He's kind of like a vigo the Carpathian then from ghostbusters to I strange like they you know it's a strain and it's really good though I'm super manual of course saves the day whatever but I really enjoy lead. This was what really really got me excited to talk with. I Really WanNa talk about the Superman Doomsday even heard of it before right I- I regretfully I really wish I had had time to finish that because <hes> that senator awesome you still got aw I'm still GonNa read it definitely <hes> getting seeing the actual justice league at their asses handed to them by Doomsday. That sounds amazing he actually we're not talking about frigging fire i-it's been a terrible looking Guy Gardner. No the real does lead man it is yes and then the whole justly comes together they fight doomsday and Superman they win while you know normal comic stuff it was really it was really interesting this whole story. All these are are definitely worth reading. If you get the chance to and you're in the comics I mean us we promote broke it down and explain everything of the of the series that you need that you'd WanNa know or need to know I guess yeah I mean we. It has to superconductors because this would be like you went through the whole thing jobs for rain in return. That's not this. They're not super special but I will say though that for anyone interested I guarantee that if you read need Superman Doomsday or death of superman if you need a starting point for comic books I mean that is one hundred percent a good starting point because you get you get the what you think is the end of Superman in death of Superman Herman and then he also get the actual back story and a nice continuation of Doomsday and Superman Doomsday right yeah which I mean you don't need to read or rain return or interesting but there just is a lot a lot of stuff that doesn't involve superman himself and it's it's very strange and very back and forth and Liu and very ninety S. I didn't care for it. I couldn't even get myself to finish reading and unfortunately I was trying to for the show we kept we kept pushing back. This episode and I was trying fine but I just couldn't do it all but before we start getting to <hes> Book Shel- for long box I want to say is I actually have gotten to meet the guy who's credited. Who's the writer for this book doesn't Superman <hes>? Dan Jergen the meat before the convention. If you time which is also nice guy by the way I have a signed copy of the death of Superman and doomsday in my long box right now thanks to him and my wife she we found that I couldn't go and but I went later on a metal but he real nice guy and one thing funny is a buddy of mine because he's the guys actually from a Minnesota he's from the twin cities standards and during the time in the ninety ninety eighty three there was a newspaper that said e demand kill Superman on the on the front page of the paper and a friend of mine that I know he s she had a couple of copies of that newspaper and went and brought it to him had him sign it. This is Tony Seventeen two thousand eighteen the guy the guy was just laughing said God. I hadn't been seen in a long time. That is pretty cool. It was cool. I mean he actually if you live in twin sitting here listening to this. He's at Spring Khan and falk on almost every year so if you know what I'm talking about or Google if you live in the area gotTa meet and send all your Superman Complex to Mike Lang going to get it signed free won't happen but Stephan. Do you WanNa go first and say the whole we can your trade. You WanNA breakdown each trade. You know real quick. If you'RE GONNA put you trade. Let's do that okay <hes>. How do you want to explain how it works? So people know what the inclusion means sure. Go ahead offers okay for shelf bookshelf for law about the same. If you practice in the regular show the shelf something you WanNa present you wanna read. You'RE GONNA look at again or mostly case play and law something that you want to keep your just going to start away. You're not interested in looking at it again. Essentially I would say for the shelf there would be death of superman funeral for friend <hes> and Superman Doomsday and then long box it would definitely be rain and return of Superman. I would say the exact same thing exactly the same okay really enjoys three of the five I mean this is also for those that are still listening. I mean this. Is something bonus that we wanted to do for you. Guys to Kinda something. We're going to try to each month now. Do a different common is mainly going to be one trade not five as we did for this first one. I think we've missed one two. We Miss World measure who knows but but no it's something that we wanna keep doing guy so <hes> and you can find other due mainly due of game podcast so this is your first episode is not our normal type episode that we do on this show bonus content Sarka so you're essentially when it's something that we wanted to do to Kinda. Give people who might know about comics aren't one hundred percent sure a little kind of brief idea what's going on in my grab your mic grab your ear. Have you take a look and read one of these books or at least you have a basically information of what is going on that happened almost twenty years uh over back in the ninety s over twenty years and part of the reason why I asked if Michael be willing to do this and you know we'll probably get Stewart on as well at some point but <hes> or guests but <hes> I'm actually working on a comic book right now now that I'm hoping to get published by image comics and I figure if I'm trying to break into the industry I might as will before then support it so I mean of course they buy my monthly comics every month that my local comic shop same right Comics Levy guys the idea I love him so much and also you know I mean just support the industry. 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Justice League: The Snyder Cut & HBO MAX

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Justice League: The Snyder Cut & HBO MAX

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You're a rich data mentioned Fox of the books who couldn't Records the podcasting and yet find out. I'm rights I will pay you a million zillion cougar answer for that. I don't know I don't know what money will be in the future. How dare you might? Bitcoin lift US again. Yeah because I mean I wanted her thoughts. I mean I guess we can start without her. I think the big story of the week is the Snyder cut coming to HBO. Max You mean you mean the Snyder. Re-cut lips college shelter half an entrenching tool ending another twenty million dollars. Yeah I don't make I mean you know these he fan fan. I'm a Batman Fan but I'm dislike. Is this worth it? You know what I think the only person who really well the fans want this the only people this is going to benefit. Hbo Masks Because Drinking Hbo Maxon News. Before it before it drops on Wednesday and Wednesday. Why wouldn't you have? Hbo Max Drop This Weekend. The holiday weekend. Yeah Okay Idiots yes okay I also yes. This is never nothing. Even offing with it. It's not like you're man delorean trotting out as their prestige DIS. What I don't I I'm GonNa say it right. Now what is if feel maxes prestige piece dropping? They won or do they can have new content. They all have something I mean tonight and that's not up to it with elmo which okay. I gotta say this right now. Ammo has parents. Also were. They're GONNA have gremlins. Don't think anything's really dropping with it. But the cartoons. I think that's been a big thing. I think they're actually getting ready to do away with Buhler because of the things that I saw. That are coming listen. I think they're getting rid of. I think they're going the Disney route. And just saying okay all you all use subscriptions come here and everyone like they're they're subscription will be automatically transferred and yeah there won't be a D. C. You there won't be a boomerang because because it's it's already begun because episode one a star girl with this week and It was on DC universe Monday then. Cw airs Tuesday. And I guess there's going to be like that every week and then doom patrol's going to be. Hbo Maximus Split. Everything on you know everybody's talking a piece of this universe. I mean here's what I'm telling you is if you have a DC view subscription. Now you have a still maximum searching more. I didn't they. Didn't they say eventually was it sci-fi Aaron Harley Quinn? So it's like yeah nothing. Nothing exclusive okay. I don't know if it's weird choice but you have to circle. Versatile is what I'm saying that's interest. They're still they still live in the same neighborhood lower end it's mature language and stuff. You would think that wanted just aired on. Hbo Max Because I of how mature is the language and they're dropping dropping f bombs and stuff. Charlie asser okay. Well yeah but that's that's what they have a button for. You know. They have a button yet. But I'm SA- they know unlike us when those might drop in farm they know when Harlequin ask. Yeah but I'm saying put them saying well. Okay yes you want to put a Harley Quinn somewhere where you have to bleep it every two seconds or just you know if you WANNA match. How do you think they make money on these things? It's syndication they gotta get that back out for free so they can get money from commercial. But you're putting twenty million on. Hbo MAX WHY NOT? One more thing. What h the still Max with his body really? Watch the box. Buddy thoughts tyler. The I nor real life is why Paul them and that's what I was saying as well that I was kind of saying. I think the whole Snyder cut thing is just the key. Djerma publicity for HP Max. Because every every article about Snyder money every every article I see about the Snyder cut I see. Hbo Max GonNa be on Hbo Max Hbo. Max Oh shoot you. There actually says actually says they're not selling well that they're not that that pre orders. Hbo Match Are Not Doing Well. 'cause you think about they're giving away a lot of. Hbo Matra Free. So if you have this getting feel Max in included basically Max. Hbo Ismael Now. But what I'm saying is giving a taste you get like. I think they're not selling it. I think that they the entire reason. They're saying one another twenty million. Let's put something together. So we'll we'll be six hours of great. It's a mini series. Now fine fine. Make a mini. The PONZI scheme is that it's like. Yeah it's that nobody is. Apparently nobody really wanted to pay for this product. And as a tie in I don't technically pay for. Hbo Feel was included in your packet. Yeah MY ATT. Tv package now granted. I haven't Nice Watch. It not probably watch all of this Dec- content when they put it up there and Justice League dark. You're there for sure I mean that's the last one we just saw. No they're doing a live action justice league dark on. Hbo Max Okay. We'll have the guy from from from the TV show. We're content seriously on here like besides like doom patrol. There's like separates communist dangerous jagged. What's what I'm saying? I keep hearing Green Lantern Series Justice League dark doom patrol. But it's like have friends when Netflix's doesn't have it. That's the Nassar what I was GONNA say. There's nothing new coming on Wednesday but hey old white people hey friends coming. I was just about to friends on you. Know the thing about Disney plus. Yes it has a big backlog but they had their prestige new content which was loin which kicked it became the most memorable thing from Disney. Plus it really it reinvigorated Star Wars. It made star wars sexy. Something people like to get. So that's saying something. If you know anything about Star Wars fans you know that the fact of the Mantle Laurean was like beloved among Star Wars Fans shows you that this has got to be really good once again. It's like the because there was no woman at the forefront like. Let's just be honest we're GONNA talk about star stance honesty. I mean a again DC universe. Was there first. But it's like who cares if you there i. Yeah this Disney everything about it. Was you know it was coming and they did it anyway because they wanted money because they're greedy greedy limit? Millet Auto. Well we'll get there first. But meanwhile they're still trying to catch up the Disney plus again. Well if I know you hate Disney but you have to admit they have. They do surgical strikes. They have everything planned out even if take longer there. They got a battle. Plan the stick to it artor a week by DC TMZ. Let's do it. I put my money where my mouth is about that. All right pay seen it should be worth ten cents on the on the dollar Louis Louis. Partition I mean. That's their. That's their perspective. Once they have grounded into the dust nobody cares about you any more than we can buy it and then we can make it great again. Who would have that Lennon straightforward pot? So we start now. That's all I'm saying. In the. After idea. So short all pay starts petition. We will spread it. We will spread on the Internet literally. Disclose the boycotting altogether. I'm very close from the things that I'm here. I hate it hate it. All y'all riverdale means the this pack. Hey Apologize Hey hey break break it. What's going on efforting some some Red Circle Heroes? Man I am down for Archie comics revival within the Superhero space. I'm all about the fly right now. Quite frankly Lewis better than what school thing about. Woods that like people hate on that. It's an cable. Just not what you're expecting one. The was a hey universe to our superheroes I mean. I haven't gone I just. I'm know we all know it. Yes spoilers yes. Apparently Dick Dastardly leads in in a small a small. Also you know What's his name The the octopus octopuses name but he's in it From this movie and it was like that's not what we come for. You know. Now that deal came down for water media production. I like Captain Caveman with teenagers. I don't like Captain Caveman any project without the team angels. I'm just going to be. I'm real hardcore on that. I don't. I don't I don't want my my junior. I Love Katie. Junior the way that any father would love Assan. But it's like that like when they tried to put Captain Caveman in the front stones. Oh Yeah Junior I mean I mean I'm not even got disliked scrappy do I love scrappy view. Mine Elizabeth. Oh Me. Interest the whole thing interest. And we're like all we hate you haters same scrappy. I'm all you know we we you know. We don't like all the hate giving up just stuff. Just because wasn't your cup of tea or ruin your childhood you know. I'm sorry if your childhood was to be yeah I know. The creators don't like scrap because he was a corporate mandate. But you know then I sort of think. Oh well the critters just you know artsy fartsy. You know People who don't like corporate mandates dude. You know you WanNa do this for living. You WanNa have a nice house in a nice car in his Kochta corporate and make it better. You know you always make it better but yeah I again. I like I think. The Charlie's original point. It's like yeah. Hbo Match Really. Doesn't have anything right now. Launch Date. So it's like. Hey Hey hey like a week before drops. Hey let's announced. Hey we're GONNA do. The Snyder caught on HBO. Max What all the twenty twenty one I know. I know exactly like candy like say. Oh and the new season of doom patrol drops pay new season of green lanterns. Drop you with. I mean you would think you would think at least doom patrol's come in before the Snyder cut definitely before they've shot. I get that Ovid. Stomping parades you know why why why here's some. Tv shows. They are editing. But it's lower now because everyone's doing it from home because it's like you know you said before Judge Music Guy. He does his thing. Then you send it to the Special Effects Guy. He do his thing more time but I thought I thought sometimes you get people will like in the same room at the same time this. This abbey wanted to do that. One one at one at a time you can but not everybody wants to. That's the thing it's like. It is the covid if will don't necessarily want to go outside implied it was funny. I was actually reading an old tweet of mine about like the rapture which was like apparently a few years ago and say Oh Guess. The rapture did happen. We just were all Joosten FOLSOM Scott raptured and welcome to you and time. Now the supercollider knocked us into the game now kids. Oh you just assume we were. In the universe beforehand fell. That's the problem we were that is the that is such universal privilege that will we must be the good universe. All I remember is the Charlie after all I remember just all I remember is Charlie used to know. Didn't have a moustache now. He has facial hair. So don't tell me we're not the universe Charlie. Esser I don't act like my facial hair is not a constantly kit changing mosaicked. There is there is there is. There is no constant facial hair in the servers. This was purchased many years ago when I had the bald head. In the stash the baldness dash is back. This dash is a bit more aggrandize this time being but I'm loving it. This was the first time I had the long enough to really do something with so. That's my my favorite mug. But I mean I mean like I like. I was saying at the start. It's like I'm DC Fan Batman Fan. But it's like I really don't care about the Snyder cut. It's like okay can any? I can't think of one so correct me if I'm wrong. Has Anyone ever seen a movie or anything where it's like you really don't like it? And then they add the extra footage or the director's cut red ever. And you're like Okay Superman to okay. I'll give you that. It was better than honour. Cut was better. But but the only whatever that really. Yeah but did it really puts it in your eyes. Were just a little bit because you watch the watch returning Superman Superman. Retirements makes a difference with you wash. The regular cut makes no sense. I love so superman returns is based on the Snyder over the donner cut. And that's the gold standard that that they're trying to recreate. Except if right now they're saying Oh yeah they might make it into a mini series in. It's going to be you know six six hours long then immediately. It's like okay so it's six hours of old exploit. This is an attempt to. It's like the outcry once they see. This is going to be so great that they're going to be like. Oh you have to bring all these people that all these rich charges the to I mean athlete. Calill as Ra Miller Jason Momoa Towers problem. Yeah but I'm just saying you just had issues that his wife will pay attention him so he has or vessel world attention. But I'm just saying every man I'm just saying every man in the Justice League is problematic. I don't say the main to me alone first of all the only no that's bad I said League members. Yeah no Jeremy Irons is fine. Jk Authority was problematic. We don't talk about Justice League. I wasn't even dipping into the mess. That was oh no L. In the Snyder on honest all lilith always excited for it supposedly Marcia Marcia Man I was GonNa say I was GONNA say low. Could we get more both houses? No I'll say we get an extended end cut with your boy as stroke one would like. That's being more watch out the sound off. Dc come on but no only the AKI can. Here's the thing if you're gonNa make a six hour mountain movie for two minutes of footage. His that is that logical and again. It's like what those two six six hours think about this. They're saying Oh yeah. We Scorsese I mean. Think about this think about this. Think about this think about this week. Attorneys mess around. If you give us the the set the amount of to of vendors and games to fix it really really if you need six hours ahead on where we want. Galas Water Woman Harder. Universe what she's am. Forget about memo. Sorry guys got on from that. Nice Trick Love Triangle. No rose on that. We can actually star. Girl is in the Justice Society Universe. She could she can help university so you know we could do this. I just. I always loved the shoes am. I says I always loved Isis more than I am. I'll be honest. I wonder why how what's actually most I just you know. She wasn't turning the country with a creepy old guy in an RV south rear as an Egyptologist. She actually had a job in life before super heroism. And I appreciate you was be own so you know. Be Fair to be fair. Yes hitchhiking adventure ejecting Chalabi can. Nowadays people don't pickup educators as Helena. But but yeah I mean if you need a frigging miniseries the RAPA you know to clean up to our movies at worth it now is eddie masterpiece. I'm sorry Tyler I'm sorry James but it's not a massive hurt. This is my life for the whole. Schneider say that it started saying that. Say Hey don't say that is looking to be polished donaldson polished. I think it it's a working prayed that they're gonNA edit down into what say is polishing here is. The thing was not policy. Neither makes amazing so of films. Where in the same way that you might buy some of. I can absolutely see you wanting to buy a cell of a Snyder. That the peso's he puts in each some of that frame is amazing. The Promo Canadian the rest of the story you selling pretty look out for one thousands of second. Let's gone and that's essentially the problem with senators director. Which is why he was why he loves motion. He loves all sorts of things he loves and IT IS BEAUTIFUL. I will never say oh. It's so dark is that can be beautiful. It can be a beautifully made film but a film is not just pictures you know you need words and pictures and a story. Snyder's film Air Agreement. Kobe's out with that and not for nothing. Film era never went away. Wally was as people have said. It was ninety percent of silence out. You know you can do a silent film in the modern era all right great and beloved film. Let me so. Let me sum up. Let me sum up their their whole approach with one of the classics installed big words and then it looks pretty. Yeah it looks pretty the pile and I hope you never hear this. Podcast data score out to ruin. Constantine I will forever be better. We're now mortal enemies anyways so yeah to the nest but on getting it today at drops summation because I wanNA watch friends. Because I'm Charlie US are going to be there because we're GONNA free. So that's the thing is I think ninety percent of the people who are GONNA be they're gonNA get it for free today. Drops and I think they may be held back content because reform year. Right some in its report year until some of them are ninety days. But it's sort of this weird thing where it's like okay. It's so so okay. My wife found something on. Cbs which somebody gets murdered on CBS. Apparently so apparently we're keeping it because my wife found something they'll look people getting murdered. I like that so she's show to watch. I think it's called interrogation or something like that. We were married Charlie keeps. That's just a look. I have no problem paying for things I pay. Hey captain play is coming. Don't tell me don't have reason to keep. Cbs All access to work with it yeah main TV doesn't work with CBS. Turn the TV off. Weird sound cues on my team and I just and I told you watch star Trek discovery because I told you last week Captain Pike is in season two discovery. But you know who's in season one of discovery. I think we talked about this before. At least two appearances of rain. Wilson as Harry Mudd. Oh this guy for one. Your eight hundred podcast. You guys you without so do a lot of podcasts. Without me did did you watch star girl this week. No I didn't well look I. I would love story I'd have to go to the CW APP and it's pretty punks. No like I think it's actually pretty great. It's a really good APP so I know but yes sir. Yeah I just have to actually like open up and use it to just you go into the details on it. The problem is is that the new TV has like Standi that it stands on. And I know it's larger than the TV is on after. Move things around to get it to stand up and because we're having the construction guy fix the bathroom right now. It's a hall to do so. Yeah normal person. Do Sleep dirt in the bathroom. Act where bombs bathroom break constantly. It was It was a film set. Would've been helped. They said hey you know if they had said it's supposed to the next to the eight hundred parts serwa animated univer. People would have made fun of them but if they would have painted that as like the avengers endgame of the DC Animated Universe. I mean deserve. It was very unceremonious in rush. It deserved it again. Though they threw out there it's like here's the last one because they're starting this summer with Batman Movie Animated movies though Maurya but lil use it. You should say diaper man Superman Superman hit the same thing. It's underwear not sniper was remanded. He was there was it was an old cartoon in the late sixties at once it was called the mighty heroes but it could be mistaken at strongman. Weatherman diaper man cooman. They were groped man. They were there. Were Superhero cartoons. When I was a kid so we're actually made before. I was a kid but that got replayed on on Saturdays. Because you know syndication was thinking back then and you watch cartoons on Saturdays and yet liked it. Missed woke up late nights right. Thank God well kid. Thank God Spiderman and his amazing friends came on late on a Saturday although Disney exceed is now running their weekend cartoon block without commercials. Their big can't wake up cartoons now. Well you know they know you more so trains to run tie mine tracks. He took a long time. Disney to get it's like Conan together for young people like Disney kept though was trained. It'll at least it's always in two thousand. The two guys were like this wire dot so ravens but everything else was together for like balls. Maybe herb injured hand at. That's the story of Disney's it took them a long time to get there and that's already majors. And all that went off it was it was ten fifteen ever got joe by. Hey Point is the point is and this is. This is worse. Problem is they. Don't WanNa do the Labor will again again. You want to get to that. They want to get you. Disney seen along level. Abc and it's like Dude. You can't even get one universe right yet. It's a it's a universe. It's the tortoise and the Hare and guess who crosses the finish line or the universe shot but the thing is the D I. I'm GonNa tell you this. I think people are tired of bag universes. I don't see anyone getting tired of shared universes when they're done. Well I think okay delorean out. Berle face four PM so I don't know I can't say I know that people really liked the net flicks shared universe which was tangential to the NC universe People love you know. The current animated Disney Universe. That is kind of shared am worship. They make it. They find that really engage. People is an Easter Egg. To look for they get they watch it with an once and if you're a person who makes content what you want is re reading. There was a great line by Seinfeld where he says. Why do you read the same book? More than once the read Moby Dick Happened. The will become great friends. And the reason that it's funny because you realize oh the book never changes but if suddenly there's content that you can find in there that you didn't know before or that ties into it or even just accidentally like Rick and Morty just highs in because today remember that thing we did let's call back take a drink and suddenly just because you don't watch it still doesn't mean we have tickets a good place you shut up. Now a little uploaded right. Look it's a great. Need to talk about uploaded though the show. You're probably not watch Charlie talking totally Talk To himself about upload last week on super connectivity. Can't remember besides Philip. It's not much it's like you know it's like Oh let me think about it over thirty minutes. Let me think about this harbor the culture. It's fine okay. Okay Miss Okay Miss. I'm starting a form in my front yard down there in Florida yet talked to me about. Who's okay okay? Front Yard Impact Yard. Okay I get it I get it. All I'm saying is first of all say uploaded is a very good film. Amazon is so for four disconnected. Universes I'll say Amazon is good at making great standard standalone pieces. Were the with a build up. You know just Craig Carton helps when you have a billion dollars and no overhead pretty wild. Yeah and that's that's sort of Netflix. Netflix's sixty built on debt. Amazon is built on. You know basically a one hundred dollars a year go making things I want. Give me things I want. You know I'll pay for the extra things but just get him to be quick. Make that yes all the emperors of Rome now on Amazon Prime Ford Bucks a year. You know you're like if you can draw one hundred bucks one day or maybe it's like one hundred and clean. I don't know but it's interesting to me quickly and then also give me something to make me to ask really though Amazon is its own different these improper it because it's like not only do you get this. Podcast is sponsored by Amazon but for the love of God they WanNa sponsors we will freaking take it get unlimited on you unlimited new late. Oh shut but I get access to these really cool. We wouldn't be made anywhere else and get both what shows get the stay in pilots gets be made what I mean. That's Jeff Bezos. Thing is he is he understands. He understands bread. And circuses nailed it. If you want to roll the empire you've gotTa give people what they want and really people don't want that much. They want to not get punched in the face every day. They have food and they'd Lexie Nice show and they would like to deliver his ten hours. I leave I think they're overshooting but it's fine. You know what I'm an old man and you know I'm used to like you know I'm used to waiting so I'm okay with that. They can you know how July might not much at like out that much and To wait long before possible for me to be heard and I left. I was GONNA say wait longer. Relationships will just have to wait longer for Amazon packages at the only way her life has changed. Cancel the package actually. Not In my area near bearded. We're house. Oh Nice there. Yeah I doubt she does. I mean you know is a major. Yeah no I mean I. I do think all billionaires are evil. Don't get me wrong fired. You're halfway there. That's just pikers game. You're just evil. Anyway you figure out universe you get away with murder and it's in the WanNa Watch Jack Jack. Yeah then. That's you know but like I said that's the that's the thing is that you know. Net flicks is amazing. But they are. Netflix is the Ponzi scheme. Netflix today. Better get no no. I think Netflix can make it work. I think that flip. Netflix is running on attrition model. That netflix's basically the Soviet Union is GONNA keep sending waves and waves and waves of content and meanwhile people are just at lightweight for toilet paper bread for nothing. It's I guess that's the thing it's like it's built on something. They can't sustain in less. They can sustain it just long enough that it becomes profitable. And that's their petitions. These Disney's by Netflix and Amazon. And that sort of and that's where we get into this idea about you know. Hbo Mass Coming into here. Trying to as as one said Chevy another another snack down. Amar is another salty snack on America's already glutted market When March had the Pretzel Business? you know. It's it's just this this problem that they're getting in there too late and they're not getting in there with any kind of best foot trying to resume their. There's not something they're showing up with. That makes you so. For example had they said Oh. Yeah Day One. We're starting center. It's a six. It's a six part series six hours long but it's going to be the Snyder it's GonNa be. Jackson was Zach Snyder. Zach Justice League and it's GonNa be awesome. Yeah Tony Snyder. Think he's doing some Snyder guys cider guy. He makes pretzels on the side. I think. Oh my Lord Oh Lord. I saw the best me the other day. I'm like how the Charlie seem. It was asked not uh Snyder or Schneider from one day at a time and it was like the Schneider. Cut that cuts my heart so beautifully I mean. That's the crux biscuit. Is like you know that. I don't know what strapping day one that I'm excited for Hbo Max and there's no other way to talk about it except that failure. I don't think anything new is dropping. But why? Why wouldn't you drop something either? They're giving away two free to half the people of course on a side note. Maybe you wouldn't have to give it away for free and get into that while you're doing it in the middle of the week. It's drop it on Wednesday again. Why wouldn't you do Memorial Day weekend? I'm going to you best. Maybe maybe they can for gyms let some two miles long rule or whatever. They didn't want to drop new content. They could've done the they could have gone. The full could other Disney route which is open the HBO false and put. They're not advertising a very well. Were honestly I should know so for example if you told me that Oh yeah. We're going to be having dreamer on on day. One oh I would I would. I would watch dream on the heck and back you know the if they drop on the shorts. Oh God loves. Hbo Show if they had no new content note they should of did they should have been like. Hey guess what every original HBO Program Ever is going to be on day. One deadwood on the praying does all of this. The boardwalk empire audited. You think well. Yeah all of it. Yes but Sopranos deadwood. It's not like it's hard to find those guys. Yeah but I'm just saying you know what I'm saying. Is You gotta find that people remember that they can't find like you know And even if you can find hardware wars on youtube the HBO. Original cut the original. Cut Not the edited remastered. Oh no no youtube they need no what HBO. They need to drop on their tales from the crypt heavy syndication to. That's I think I wanna be edited though right. I mean you could say like. Don't tell from the CRIP on edited to regional format. I'll have to check what's on to be fancy to have the Saturday morning cartoon to but I mean Yes God. That was nightmare fuel. It was fun ran a season. You know what that's like you know you you could press these things about the HBO or about the Warriors. Yeah then really try to sell people on it. You know what I'm saying. The only thing I've heard about. Hbo Max's Oh yeah we have this stuff. That's going to be coming and it's like you know it's like Oh hey twenty twenty one or whatever. It's just like yeah. Nothing has like assault know. They need to release. Whatever Warner Sung of south is which is probably a lot of stuff. But you have you been at Walmart lately. 'cause they're doing like the Classic Warner movies wait. A new updated covers inside like sized satellite on Batman that narrate turns Batman forever. They all have you cool blank. Anniversary lay covered that was put out the Batmans years with different covers. Yeah Yeah So. They're Kinda celebrating. That so kind of doesn't make sense why they're not like boasting that on like H. Let's either on ask questions. I have lots of questions. Listens really dropped them ball with their marketing and again just the splinter comics. Yeah Yeah. Dc Universe has the comics but again it's like splintered you got these universe HBO. Max You know it's it's just like Disney. Everything's in one place except for. Yeah Yeah but you know comics are in each market. I'm not even certain digital comics are going to be the wave of the future. Try I swear especially with with Cova now. They're trying to push the Hawaii. Swear that that who didn't comic thing and it's like how no it's not even a boat. No no no. I don't like it fine but the problem is that when I go to a comic store and I see all of it to spray. There's a lot of impulse buy. I don't think you'll get the impulse. Buy Digital that you do in a store know anything you know. And you're screw and you're screwing the stores and it's like you don't get that either. I think you said you know you walk in the story. The talk with the people who are interested in this stuff to society you get a human interaction and you know. I'll this model who serve a great message board for Human Interaction and they've shut that down. I don't know what happened to a lot of the message boards. Maybe I don't know how to get. I'm them anymore but I don't know a lot of people do message boards anymore. You know any sites do a lot of message boards anymore. I know I used to love those. I mean I actually. You know had a little bit of fame with my fan theories and a couple of the board. Oh you know Charlie knows about this thing and he makes a great point about you know why the only has four fingers final too. Much upkeep on maybe they they count on social media. Now it's like hey facebook's free and twitter's free and why not just let the people decide but I'm saying more Disney doesn't have to pay for upkeep on a message board because they're like? Hey we gotta pay facebook to do this or. I think they started like everyone started going through some kind of APPS system. I think discusses of popular APP for message boards now so we get to comment. You have to create your discuss account. Then you have. What are the biggest problem with a lot of these accounts? They will log you out eventually. Don't lock me out and read it right. Listen it's a device on here okay. Don't make me try to remember whatever random password that created like six months ago and what email I created a that. You know that's new for not using any net users at your usually do honestly. My main male is full of a lot of spam. Here's cross publishers clearinghouse. I love me every day. Pub Publisher's clearing house doesn't come through that Arabian Prince. I'm sure believe you know. Publishers Clearinghouse does give like lots of money away to people every year. It's documented okay. Talk because I've seen it on. Tv. That's all everything on TV. Always true no. No you actually can like actually look up. Look up unlike unlike a scam. They're actually published data on the subject. We can find this publishing clearinghouse when from this year. And there's actually an entire legal mechanism that is in charge of keeping track of these kinds of sweepstakes because they're literally legal gambling and the government wants to cut. So if you say you give someone a million dollars wants to cut says do. Where's my money? And so you say Larry got the money they Larry. You got money. I don't got no money. They never gave me no money. And then you're like well. Then why did you say you gave Larry all this money with says? Where's my money the? Us government comes up their head big hat and cane money horsh clearinghouse American family. Publishers apparently is not online but Publishers Clearinghouse is your online. You Watch couple. Add quick to the thing. It entered an innocent. That might win a million dollars from day when I was doing the five thousand dollars a week for life or the seven thousand dollars lives You know they're trying to basically it's old people like me who go online Click Nick Nick. And so you know what I could use a new DA. The wife wants the predominant her phone one moment again because the wife wanted upkeeping. Cbs All access to the wife wanted to wanted to odometer. Course world at mustache something you give your wife something. I'd buy if you buy something you give your wife something understand that. Hey I don't know if I don't think you can have that. I've said that's not how you have a Weiss okay. I'm not judging near relationship. Phillip know about saying I I just think you their stuff you want but you're like Oh yes I'll keep it because the the wife wants honestly I was actually ready to get rid of interest? I'm sorry Harry Harry Mudd. Yeah the Harry. Much shored show up twice isn't that's the that's the thing about the extended universes everyone's trying to build Harry. Harry my chose Harry much has a few times but casting rescue rangers cameo on net sales but see they're young so I'm GONNA give them the benefit of the doubt. I'm going to say you know. What Duck Tales? Maybe you're going to deliver me rescue rangers off. Maybe you're going to build onto this. Maybe we'RE GONNA GO TO SINK. Canard at some day keep on talking about thinking I want. I Want Balu Launch Pad and I will just have the best day ever. I don't know but I gotTa have a race. I Want Balu in launch team up because launch pad is like more lackadaisical. Balu to be have to be the strait laced guy. I just love that idea of him like like I don't want to do this. I don't WanNa be the sky and look nope we just stick. This thing goes up. That's what I do. Just wants to put him to go out to Youtube. Probably Yep is after watch legal Batman light so these. He had a lot of this week for some random reason. Now we're good. I mean I for one I mean I only got to. There's only two that I usually get red hood and Justice League does that's the only physical case out of number ten. Oh Jimmy down. Redhead is continues to be in decline of garbage state so you'll but at least bizarro and ornaments Iraq finally like I don't like your billing in Red Hood. And the outlaws. Most people showed up for the DART trading because the trinity the regular Trinity Shuts. You would think you would think they would build on her. This is why you need comic bookstores because in a comic bookstore I would have seen this mother said you know what I have a light week which I don't because I have I am buying fifty dollars. Worth of comic books. Never read by Classic magazine Comic Books. But you know if I if I was just if this was regular time sounds walking. Oh it's red. Who didn't he? Why don't I see what has to do today? You know what green lantern violate new. You didn't get that. No wait. What can be. How could it be a new dawn of its the twilight? What general twilight zone it without was digital I? I'm not sure betrayed. But at one of our yeah Ital- Jordan that sounds like a made up kettle. I'm just GonNa say that right and again again this is that's that is the I mean. The the comic book industry is shooting itself in the foot right now. Because it's like you don't know half the time what's what's coming out. You know physical now you know what's going the digital now because half half the books for Marvel and DC when you know digital now so it's like you're in the middle of an arc and it's like hey I can't finish it physically now Hawkeye Freefall coz spider. Yeah Yeah but in those situations again like I said so I know everything that came out print because my comic Book Guy Lists Everything print but if I see red her loss number twenty three. That's not attractive to me. See the cover. I need to see who'd Never Twenty Three this time but Zorro eats a sandwich and then possibly I have no idea what Sunday cover. I have no idea what's on the cover but the idea that. Oh Hey why was eating? That Sandwich is eating sandwich. But in that concept you know you build out that idea that that's what attractive. That's the impulse. Buy of the comic book as well. Actually I'm not big in very covers because I think like dude you need to have your covers be an impulse. Buy New People to see that cover and say I wanNA know what's going on in that book? People judge that book by that cover then Look Jewish. Druid complete white cover variant. It's like why would I buy in? Oh but yet Industry it's in a weird spot right now. I think we can all agree on that telling you what nobody would read selling number fifteen. She's not by marvel. You're missing out fair enough. It's entirely fairly read. Anything I mean. It may be agree arc but again talking about universes. I want to be invested in this stuff. You know I wouldn't know Charlie again. I need her to have a universe though. That's the thing I don't need her to have a man. I needed to have a universe. I need to know where she belongs. And what her purposes in that story as Hor- does the woman belong Charlie after What did you say? Hey she can kill that. Will there be. I hope she cooks. She shouldn't have cook. Charleena's that what you're saying. I'm saying that if you kill the wildebeest you should eat the wildebeest and should probably cook it. First 'cause game me can be very tricky when it comes to parasitic infections. It's twenty twenty. Don't they have plant-based wildebeest now? Well Not in twenty twenty season. The high born h fill up. Come on get with it. Up didn't have plant based meat. High Boring Fat. He had been a dynamite entertainment for her story. Personally yeah I probably should. I mean I'm not gonna I'M NOT GONNA say I shouldn't be rich on because I do like Red Sonja as a character. I'm just very mad that her rights aren't at Marvel and it's like I'm just that it is petty. I will not deny it but I will not deny that it is petty but it is still a thing to me that Conan's back at at Marvel. Sonia is not I read CONAN outside of Marvel. You know I I mean who owns read. So that's like one of these things. Is this just like a corporate entity that just stole the name before we answered Fabry's station? Is it like a creator? Owned thing spun. That's what I don't know man. I don't know man. People who made the Red Sonja movie owned Red Sonya now and that that just does not work well with me So but yeah I. I'm sorry starting to get all controversial. That's all right so can say we're saving Hawkeye Free Fall for superconductivity rakes when you want to read. I read Hawkeye Free Fall. Why thought you want to discussion of white. Hawkeye's broke Batman there well Hawkeye. I can do that where you know. But that's fine. No one else broke back here. We can talk about Louis. But then you also have just wasteland without red which was a new book this we again digital. Only next week we had adventures thirty three. Which the Bible Volvo come by the I believe that the starts the moon that night ark. Okay well there we go so we know who's GonNa be read that how the POW by himself. Yeah listen not show. He's got he's like Lilith with Docs waiting for it. Now that's all cool. No argument there. Yes he's no Batman but he's that man say it's easy if you are trust fund billionaire. Who Doesn't have to run your own company in nailed it. I mean I think that's the biggest problem for me with Bruce Wayne is that he doesn't run his own company. It's like he's literally just a guy who lives lives also jess that he happens to be related to the people who want to build a company. He's too busy beating on the poor people. Charlie Esser one. Is He uptown the rental company. I'm just saying if you know what would be a great story. Arc Is Bruce. Wayne buys a major fan fast food in Gotham and then starts paying fifteen dollars an hour to every worker. Or you've more your managers that's always the thing it's like what you're managing so you have to make more than that but going beyond De Basically should a manager to have living wage and then suddenly explore the dynamics of that that would be 'cause I'm old I would like to read a book that is essentially an economic An Economics Textbook. Will you love the Star Wars? Prequels did it. You see Mesa. Loves me some Star Wars Star Wars? Explain Watch the boy. Oh you know with you know what broke my heart you know. What else is going digital amazing? Mary Jane Okay but but I think I saw. I don't think black cats black cat staying in print but Mary. Jane's Digital. I'm like is black cats on that much better the Mary Jane. I can absolutely see that. I guess I mean black blackouts more superhero. We I guess yeah. Well I mean also broadcast brought Cat Very James. Mary Jane I love Mary. Jane don't get me wrong but it's like there's not going to be. There is not going to be any dramatic character. Arc set. Come to Mary Jane. She's always going to be. She's always going to be married. Jane. She's GonNa be eternally positives. They're not going to hurt the brand of Mary. Jane Black Cat. She may be remorse. The onus you can be more heroic. She's GonNa do well if you're GONNA walk that fine line. Very changes doesn't uh doesn't go there what you're saying. They can thirty up the blackout way. More than Mary Jane Will. The I'm saying they'll make better stories with the black chat. The do with basically with Mary Jane every all of her stories have to be about her side characters. Arc and like so miss. Ministerial has to have the ARC Mary. Jane doesn't really have an while. I was going to say a lot every she does. She does her. She does her great stuff yet does but it's really mysterious. Story really mysterious. Are whilst going to say that. I think the you know kind of like you know you could get a sore. The black cat kill somebody. But you're not going to get that with Mary Jane or take the Jackpot identity this time so jackpot. There are so many female Spiderman characters could do movie on before Jeff Jackpot is a freaking plot device at the beginning of bringing day. Can we say that for superstores? I didn't bring it up. The dissertation feel that far from low. If she is a dissertation we can do Jack Excited about their semiconductor. Superman superconductivity unknowns. Get late so maybe on that no we get this thing rolling. Both like what's going on here is now anyway. So yes you heard are talking. Should've been at nine. Sorry why do you want to what he wanted to see? We're going to tomorrow. No no not at all If guys wanted to talk to us about the Snyder The state of the comic books. Hbo Max Anything can always email. Us capes lunatics at jimoh com. Call the voicemail. Six one four three eight two two seven three seven. That's six one. Four thirty capes follow case lunatics on facebook twitter instagram. 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Moon Knight, Ghostbusters, Bond, Justice League, Willow, The Meg 2, Avatar 2 and Addams Family

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Moon Knight, Ghostbusters, Bond, Justice League, Willow, The Meg 2, Avatar 2 and Addams Family

"Hello everyone and welcome slash on daily for Monday October twenty, six, twenty, twenty on today's episode were to discuss the latest film and TV news the Slash Home Editor in chief Peter. SURATA enduring the autism castlemed weekend editor Brennaman, and that's me. It's senior writer Pearson a what's going on. Okay. So with last week Special Toba ski episode on Wednesday that means we haven't talked about movie or television news in a week. So it's it's it's now time to catch up. So. That's basically my way of saying that we have is a jam packed episode including some late breaking news hit right before we started recording this podcast. We now know who's going to be playing marbles Moonlight Ben. Better. Yes. Sir Isaac is in talks to play Moon Knight in the Disney plus series for Marvel Studios. Peter to you know anything about moonlight. Moonlight as one of the characters I have not really read I I. I don't think I've read any of the any comics featuring midnight I haven't, either evidently he's a pretty you know second tier kind of character and it makes sense considering how long the MCI has been going, but he's kind of a fascinating guy. So Brad, I'm sure you know some some of this from covering Moon Knight on superhero BITs but. This character is basically he's a mercenary who has dissociate identity disorder and he is attacked and sort of left for dead by his. Evil boss win. They stumble across this archaeological dig site in the comics anyway and then this character this this morning character is approached by the Egyptian God of the Moon and given a second chance at life if he agrees to be that, God's Avatar on Earth. So he agrees and he ends up sort of returning to the world of living in developing all these secret identities and he has superpowers that are tied to the moon itself like the fuller the moon gets stronger he gets but the really interesting thing is it's unclear whether all of this is kind of in his head and he's making up the whole God thing or if actually isn't real and like. Yet. So it it just seems like a very unlike any other in that think there have been people who have written about how Oh, this you know in in very superficial terms sort of lack marvel's version of Batman because one of his secret identities is a millionaire and he's able to fund his adventures and stuff like that sort of like Batman but and he doesn't really have any superpowers of the than just strengthen like he's a martial arts expert and stuff like that. But the this way darker than a lot of the other marvel characters that we've seen before. So. In terms of Oscar Isaac playing that character I think he he's done very very well playing dark characters in the past as well as you know, sort of more poppy. Pop, culture whatever heroic type of role. So this is definitely an interesting turn for marvel. Yeah my I thought here is wow. They got Oscar Isaac that that seems like a big get to have here. The second thought is. Wow Got Oscar Isaac, and they're gonNA come underneath a mask and putting like white tights with a with a white. Cape you're not going to see him then my third thought is. Oh, they're doing what they did with Manda Laurean where Pedro Pascal doesn't have to be there everyday onset. Is that like a a good train of thought or our now? Pretty much the exact train of thought that I had except maybe you could throw one more thing in their of like Oh man I really wonder how much time this is GonNa take up for Oscar Isaac because he's one of the most he's one of my favorite working actors and he you know anytime he attached himself to a project I'm always excited to see what kind of stuff he's interested in exploring on film. Now you know it's it's the it's the tail was oldest time you know getting sucked into a franchise he's already been in the star wars franchise for a long time now. and. So he he go again you know he's diving into the MC you. This character we know is supposed to appear in marvel films after headlining his own show. So it seems like this is going to be years and years and years of Oscar Isaac in the MTA, which is great and like I love their casting, they've done an excellent job and you're pulling in great people but it always, there is always a little part of me. That's like. What projects are we not going to see now because of this? how many episodes are are the marvel television series I mean we haven't had any of them yet but do we know that off the top of her head I think what Mitt learn was eight episodes, right? Yeah I. Think the marvels are supposed to be between six and ten depending on the series. Yeah. I think key is supposed to be six. That's one at that. One division is also six lookie six Volkan in winter soldier's six yen. Shorter side then the Hawkeyes ten. No Yeah Maybe. He won't be away for that. Long the the other thing while you're saying like, what are you know about moon? I I did a search of moonlight. While we're on the podcast I'm a professional and I saw that he was listed. On. Ends list of the top fifty vendors at number forty-nine. All right there we go. I don't know is that a good claim or is it the? One of the worst vendors who? Well. I mean. Number forty, nine out of fifty. I you tell me. WHO's fifty. You know you're asking me to pull this up hold on. Okay. I'm pulling up. Brad. We're going to do this live. Factor whether or not moonlight has a good placement for mockingbird is number forty eight. Let's see. Number fifty is mister fantastic. What I mean I guess a list of avengers. He's not really in Avenger. So maybe in the comics at one point, he yeah, he makes a guest appearances in the vendors books. The characters visit his yeah. He's not really vendor I don't think he was ever in Avenger, right? At some point I feel like almost every marvel character. Depending on air we're talking about. So yeah moonlight seems more of a solitary kind of figure in his comic runs. I don't think he immediately joins the vendors although as Brad mentioned I think pretty much everybody does at one point. Yeah. Okay What ghostbusters afterlife Brad I know this film that you've been excited and looking forward to. Add some bad news for bread. All what? It's getting pushback know. Why are you tell us about it? I knew about this because I wrote the story Juliette ghostbusters afterlife has been delayed yet. Again, it was supposed to come back or come to theaters this past July. But it got delayed like every other blockbuster this year due to the coronavirus pandemic and it was slated to come out in March of twenty twenty one but it sounds like maybe studios are a little bit leery about theaters being a viable option even in early twenty, twenty one because now Sony has pushed back to June eleventh twenty, twenty one putting it back into the summer release window, and that's probably not a good sign because we heard for a while in the news. A viable vaccine probably wouldn't available until well into spring next year possibly even summer and that's more and more seeming like it's very accurate because. Moving you know movies like this out of that early spring window it means audience is probably a still aren't going to be ready to get back to theaters and it won't be a much safer by the time that happens hence the move. So there we go. So what big movies does that leave us with before summer twenty, twenty, one, I mean. When it comes to this year, the biggest movies that are still slated we've still got a free is slated for December. Deaf denial and Wonder Woman Nineteen eighty-four is holding strong for Christmas Day. The Warner Brothers is supposed to making a decision in the next week or two about whether or not. That will still be the case relatively soon. You could say monster hunter gas that's based on that huge video game franchise distracted by all the BS Anderson. So. And then next year currently I. There's Peter Rabbit to maybe maybe the big February we've got the kings man and Yeah. That's I mean Orion dragons was to come out in in March. So that's good. That's definitely not gonna hit Disney plus that's GONNA be. Living Vampire that will say movie theaters. God. Come on guys. We got some good stuff happening here. and. Then James Bond apparently maybe April will we'll see a quiet place to lots lots of good stuff coming in. Spain. This. Words me quite a bit like. You know I get it I get why people don't want to return to theaters will also at the same time I have movie theaters and I don't WanNa see them die and I thought I thought it very least were it was gonna be the end. Of. Twenty twenty when like you know big movies would return to theaters and some people would go to theaters to see them making at least enough money to keep those movie theaters alive. You know AMC you know doesn't have enough money to like survive into the twenty twenty one. And now the ghostbusters has moved out of. Out of March I think it's going to be a Max mass exodus out of that a spring in now we're now we're like all. I guess praying for summer twenty. Twenty one. which I don't know if it. To me I, I hate to be the pessimist here but that sounds like the death of movie theaters to me but I don't know. I'm a little bit worried. Talking about movies that. Might go to streaming. One of the things that we never thought would have even been inconsideration is a bond movie, but apparently, that was in the talks breadwinner. Yes, over the weekend, this kind of started out as a a rumor story that there were still a chance that no time to die might end up being released in streaming in some capacity. You'd like many other movies it's been pushed back several times because of corona virus, it's currently slated for release April Twenty, twenty, one but MGM is behind James Bond, and they don't necessarily have a lot of high profile valuable properties other than James Bond to keep them. Going strong during this whole bottle and it sounds like at one point. They were in talks with streaming platforms like apple and Net flicks to potentially release no time to die on streaming These discussions apparently happened in late September right before they chose to delay the movie again and word on the street is that they were looking for six hundred million dollars for the distribution rights, which is huge. That's an insane price to pay for a movie like that But do you have any idea like why the biggest? Price that's been paid for streaming movie I'm guessing asked like Netflix's with like. What the Scorsese movie or something like that's a couple of hundred million. Yeah I'm not sure that's something that would definitely have to look into to really get the the answer to that but I'm sure that it's nowhere near six hundred million dollars That's a huge price tag and that's really that's just so that the studio could recu. Any of the profits are or at least money that they might have made from releasing no time to die in theaters because you know that's a you know a movie that does huge bank at the box office you know both domestically and internationally, and so they'd want price that gives them everything they need to actually pay for the movie and then some. but it sounds like those discussions now done apparently MGM is no longer. Dedicated to releasing the movie in theaters next spring now. So even though there was a chance happening, it sounds like that opportunity has come and gone. Okay the idea that a big movie like bond could even have discussions to go to streaming makes me wonder like what other movies could possibly be in that realm. So I wanted to go really quickly through twenty twenty and twenty, twenty, early twenty, twenty one and I wanted to hear what you guys in rapid fire I. Wanted to hear what you guys think of movies like tell me if it's going to get pushed the after. Clare if it's going to go. Streaming some some form you know premium or whatever the crudes. Streaming. A free guy going to theaters. Yeah, I would say pushed. Yeah. It's a twist you. Defend Nile. I I'm fifty fifty on that. I can see it go into streaming but it's I. Mean it has a huge cast I. Wonder if they would want to wait and you do that star power for theaters. Leaning toward streaming for that one pair wonder woman nineteen, eighty-four theaters all the way pushed. Peter Rabbit to. Streaming. String yes. What else we got here on the list Ryan the last dragon. Boy Wonder. How many times Disney can do that. and. How many times can they do it to a movie starring a you know A A an animated movie featuring a diverse cast from outside the United States. I feel like as a better chance of being pushed because it's released data so far down that delaying it from then wouldn't it be as big of a deal as like delaying soul, which is already delayed once and delaying it again just creates a bigger problem down the road. So I think that Ryan has a better chance of being pushed rather than going to streaming. or BS. Who put that Shit. On streaming, it'd be done with. Sony needs those movies in theaters I. Think so. Tomb Raider two I don't think that's going to happen at that point because I was looking this up when I was writing or we're GonNa talk about Ben Wheatley later on the episode and he's supposed to be directing that. I think the last update we had on tomb raider two was like a year ago or something in. There has not been any movement as far as I can tell in terms of like the shooting of that film. I don't know. I'm not sure about that one weight. So that has a march release date and it hasn't even been filmed. Think that's right. Me Look this up while we're talking just to double check but. I think that they haven't made an announcement about the release date shifting at all. So it's probably just sitting there waiting for an update. A quiet place to. That one, they definitely want feeders Yeah, I feel like the best part of that movie was like the silence you're the like so quiet in that first movie. Okay I just a couple more. Last night and so. That one could see going to streaming just because it's more of a niche movie and it's not one of Edgar Wright's more accessible. You know mainstream titles. So? Yeah. I think that's possible. Black widow definitely theaters. Okay I, think we're now a June and I think a lot of those movies I think. Everybody thinks it's going to be in theater. So I'm not gonNA mention them But yeah. It's really crazy. The Times we live in right now but you know speaking of movies going to streaming that we did not expect. Oh, by the way bent do you do you have enough to do i? Ideal I just looked evidently. Of Tomb Raider was supposed to begin in April of this year and obviously that did not work out. Great. So production I think was supposed to be delayed until this summer and I have not heard if they have picked up and actually started that shooting but I don't think March. Nineteenth Twenty twenty one is GonNa hold for Tomb Raider two. Yeah, that's okay. what one of the films that is hitting streaming. Expect, what's going to ever happen is Zack, Snyder's cut of Justice League and we recently learned some returning characters that were unexpected for the re shoots bent tells by Yes. So Zack Snyder's justice league is going to be I. Guess Re edited into a four episode series on Hbo Max and Joe Manganiello who played death stroke in the post credits scene of the theatrical version of Justice League which came out in twenty seventeen is going to be coming back to play death stroke yet again in this version of the story so. We don't know exactly like what capacity how much in you know if there's going to be a big death stroke action scene that maybe Zach Snyder himself shot and just had to leave on the cutting floor the first time or if Meghan, Melo is going to be joining these re-shoots that are going on now and only appear in a small role, there's so many questions about this. Basically, all we know is he going to be involved in in the new version so. There's that and then the bigger news I I would say is that's a jared leto is joker also coming back. And he is going to be I, mean, he wasn't in. I don't think he was in he appeared in the theatrical cut of justice, League A. Okay yeah it's been so long since I've really although Affleck's Affleck from the Snyder verse appeared in suicide, Squad right and popular the car. That's correct. Yeah. So yeah jared leto joker guys I mean. You Know One national nightmare to another right. We thought we thought that we were done with this. We thought that a vaccine had been handed out for jared leto joker evidently not. We're seeing a second wave I'm sorry these are all wildly inappropriate terms to be here to a very serious diseases, fung. But seriously note a little joke as I I mean I don't know. I don't know how to react to this. Part of me is just like you know, kick the chaos. All. The way up to eleven. Let's just fucking go and like give me everything. You Got Zack Snyder like make this weird and out there as possible. Offer to me. Ladies and Gentlemen Jared leto stupid. Another part of me is like, why do we have to deal with this again but I think ultimately We talked so much about the Snyder cut and ultimately I'm coming down on the side of like. Anything that can make this as different as possible from the theatrical cut will at least make this more interesting. So a sure bringing everybody you can think of, let's let's do it. You know it just goes to show you though this movie has been done this entire time. and. Just waiting to get released like why why didn't they sooner? It's been done this whole time. What are they were doing? And and fans are going to get the. You know uncut vision of Zack Snyder. The one that he had made and not anything added or you know it's not going to be cut into four parts it's going to be. It's going to be presented the ways excellent or originally intended. Oh boy. Can we just see this thing and then maybe never talk about it again? It's also interesting that death stroke that whole lake in credits was to build up for what like the Ben Affleck. Batman movie that never ended up happening in isn't going to happen. It's seemed like it was building up to like a Justice League sequel because he was talking about like Oh if they have a League of heroes, why can't we have a league of our own like talking about a League of Dylan so it was like a multi. Coalition or something that was supposed to be put together and that sounds like maybe you know too big for a Solo Batman movie so. The question I really have after all of this. HBO. Max just going to keep the train rolling and just be like all right Zach Snyder. Here's a hundred million more dollars or however much like go make a sequel to justice, League after his four episode thing comes out like are we a re approaching the beginning of the end or are we approaching just a whole new beginning here? So I, don't know. You know I I know we like to give like I. Don't know I feel like we've we are all feel defeated by the like this whole. Project at this point because it's just like the movie came out in like the Phantom was in a large part, very toxic and kind of beat us down but I do want to say i. do kind of appreciate how exacts matter is. You know he's fallen down this whole. He's like in this directors jail and he is fighting his way out. Like he is like doing everything he can and yeah I. I can imagine a day where like Hbo Max, Green Lights You know a second season or Second Justice League movie. Arnaud it just seems like something that would would have been impossible if you could tell yourself, you know two years ago that that was going to happen it seem. Unreasonable I mean it's not unreasonable but. Okay. Let's let's talk about the Willow TV series. They finally hired a director Brad we now. Yeah. So this willow thing is apparently happening. Fans of this movie from Lucasfilm have been wanting a sequel to willow for awhile it's been discussed here and there Warwick Davis kept the hope alive and Disney, plus they're really pushing forward by doing a sequel to it in the form of a series. Warwick Davis is coming back. Ron Howard who directed the original movie is coming back as an executive producer but he's leaving the directing duties up to Jon M Chu, this time WHO's the director of Crazy Ridge Asians and the upcoming musical adaptation in the heights So the series is supposed. To be starting productions seemingly soon, we'll see how that works with the the pandemic and whatnot likely next year but yeah, this is. kind of surprising because I don't know willow has definitely has fans but. It feels like it's more of a cult favourite than than anything and so Disney plus you know investing a lot of money in it. To bring a sequel back is kind of surprising. What could be their Lord of the Rings Right Now? The. John M. Chu is. Interesting. As you mentioned he's the director of crazy rich Asians into the heights. The Justin Bieber documentary You know he's been kind of like put in this box although he talking to him as a filmmaker he's a geek that loves like big blockbuster movies. You know he he directed the Gi Joe Sequel and directed. The Now, you see me sequel like heat I think he wants to be stuck just doing. Serious movies and I I'm guessing willow is a big. Touchstone for him, his daughter's name willow. So enough that he named his daughter will. So Brad, what is your thoughts on chew for this this this show. Yeah I'm definitely interested in seeing what he can do in a different genres. You know he's proven he can take on a variety things he brings a lot of. Energy and zest into everything that he's done so far. So I think having like this especially since he's so passionate about it. Can only be good news. You know you don't. You don't necessarily want a hired gun doing something like this when it has such a passionate fan base, you want somebody who genuinely loves the material digging into it and giving you know fans something that they they want to see and he's going to do exactly what he would want to see as a fan himself. So I I think it's good news all around. It's also kind of sad that you know this is happening this going into production and they've been trying to make Indiana Jones five for how many years now. Only took willow. You know what? Six months from when they were reversed that are actually developing mess. I mean yes and no I mean I think a willow sequel has been tossed around for you know probably as long as the sequel was before came along. Yeah Yeah Okay. Let's move on. Let's talk about. Filmmaker Ben Wheatley, and what he has lined up next It's another weird like a pairing something unexpected. Then what do we know? Yes, Ben Weekly a Ben Wheatley who directed Rebecca the most recent remake that is on net flicks right now, and he also directed films like a field in England and free fire. He is directing the mega to for I. Think Gems the studio behind this one so. What like? This is another one of those completely out an adolescent field choices. I mentioned earlier that he wheatley was originally on board to direct tomb raider two unclear. He's still even attached to that project right now. But Man The the studio is wanted a sequel to the meg for awhile like ever since the the first movie made a lot of money at the worldwide box office and so. That came out in twenty eighteen. So now the MEG who I mean it sort of seemed inevitable that this was going to happen Jason Statham is expected to return to lead the cast again but Ben Wheatley as the director of a big budget studio shark film seems like a really really strange pairing to me. I. Mean it seems like like chew in ways. I it seems like he wants to do bigger and better not better but bigger movies I do you think this is the right like the right choice for him or do you think this is a bad career move. I don't know if it's a bad career move I mean it's definitely GonNa put him. You know probably on more lists to do more mainstream, it's just a slightly disheartening career move from somebody who has appreciated a lot of his smaller scale stuff. He made this movie in twenty eleven called Kill List which I think Jacob and I have have sung that films praises on the podcast before in music. One of the most unsettling films of this entire century so far, and just to think about you know the guy behind that stepping into the sort of mindless you know. Big Budget. Studio Shark. Mechanism it just makes me a little. Crestfallen but. You know he's the type of filmmaker where like nobody else can make Ben Wheatley movie like he has such a distinct voice and style and it it's so unlike anything else and I feel like anybody could you could I think John Turtle top directed the meg and he directed national treasure and a lot of really like straight down the middle of solid Hollywood. Like like a double in baseball. You know like nothing nothing special. I feel like you could get a lot of filmmakers in that. In that Ballpark as to continue the metaphor that could direct this where he's been as like such. An interesting person who makes all these weird like sort of eccentric films that yet sort of bums me out a little bit. But he also made it high rise which I never saw but. It seems kind of out of his element as well. I think high-rise little bit more attuned to the kind of bizarre styles intones that he likes to play with. I guess. The hope is that maybe he brings so much of his style to the MEG. To that film doesn't feel like sort of a bland, a mega franchise sequel maybe he ends up like overpowering it and making it super weird or something, and I mean, I guess I'm into that Yeah Yeah I I had fun with the MEG one. So I'm interested I mean I'm more interested in now that he's possibly doing the make to to see what that is but speaking of movies that take place in the water. Avatar to has been filming underwater scenes in it looks like James Cameron is trying to compete with Tom Cruise. Mission impossible Brad tell us what it yes. James Cameron is trying to kill the cast of Avatar too little by little. Is is that how it's never going to be released space one of them taking too long. But yeah so. We recently profile in the New York Times. for her career looking back. At the various movie, she's made over the years her life and whatnot, and of course, conversation inevitably turned to the Avatar sequels since she is back as a new character in the. After her original character died in the first movie spoiler alert. Eleven years ago, Anna it would seem that the there's a lot of difficulty involved with shooting some of these sequences because as we've heard many times over a big chunk of Avatar to has to deal with the water component of Pandora and a lot of scenes including motion capture scenes are being shot underwater and rather than using a stunt double for for some of this. Stuff A lot of the cast is actually shooting motion, capture scenes underwater, and in order to make this as efficient as it possibly can be they had to train with a elite military divers in order to learn how to hold their breath for over six minutes at a time so that they can shoot as much as they can underwater before they have to come up. And take a breath or get supplementary oxygen underwater answer going Weaver at seventy years old. Did this as much as she could and was doing it right along with the rest of the cast they submerged underwater in this huge water tank. Go back and forth for air and then shoot as much as they can. It's just it sounds crazy but she was eager to do it. You know she'd tries not to win that herself and doesn't hold back and chooses to do as much as you know her body will allow her to do so yeah more processor Gordon Weaver. I have some questions here Brad. Sigourney weaver is playing a motion capture. Character in. Seem. So because we have seen a photo from the set of her in this massive water tank with motion capture helmet and a suit with all the the digital markers all over her. So she she's playing some kind of motion capture character. Why does she need to hold her breath for over six minutes catchy like have like a small air pack on like a scuba like a small like mini scuba thing it doesn't seem like it because since she has the motion capture helmet on. A Scuba Apparatus on because then they couldn't capture her face for the performance. Okay. have either of you ever held your breath for six minutes. I'm not even close. I don't think so no probably not. I recently watched this, David Blaine special on Youtube. It was I the one where he was flying with balloons like flew into the atmosphere with balloons and then skydive down during the special. Oh, he was talking about how you know learning to be the hold your breath as part of the equation and he was at a nights. That's. Teaching, Casey and a bunch of people who were in the pool I think like Maybe? Jason. Today gets with our remember but he was teaching a bunch of people in the pool how to hold their breath for a long period of time enduring that segment of the Youtube show they were like you know you try holding your breath now as they do it and like I I tried to. He actually was able to teach them how to hold their breath for like I. Forget how Long An incredibly amount like insane amount of time I tried to hold my breath for I think over like to like a minute and a half and I couldn't even do that. So I I I. Don't know it's amazing to me. That's when we can. Hope, not only hold their breath for six minutes but like these people and even David Blaine when he was underwater like breaking the world record of how how long have you can be submerged underwater without any oxygen even him was you know not moving not the is closed not not doing anything. I eat. Sigourney weaver has to hold her breath. And Act and swim and be active That's crazy to me. Sounds insane. But okay, we have one last story for you today, and that is the addams family is coming. Thanks to Tim Burden then. Would we know? Yes. So this is Sort of like unexpected but also totally expected at the same time timber is going to be the the latest major filmmaker to jump into the world of television. He is developing a new version of addams family, which is the classic franchise based on the that creepy. Kooky mysterious and Spooky family, and he is negotiating to executive produce in potentially direct all episodes of this new series. He's developing this with Alfred go and Miles Miller guys behind smallville and into the badlands and. I mean you know. So on one hand, you have like timber come into TV, which is like a a rare thing for him. He's directed like a couple episodes of television over the course of his career mostly he's been film, Guy but then. Of course, you know if Tim Burton is GonNa come into the world. Of TV, it's going to be for an addams family show, which was an you know a a property that fits. So perfectly with his cultivated aesthetic that Just. One shade away from self parody. Point Yeah. That's what I was thinking I was thinking like it like this seems so obvious that urged so perfect that it almost seems like something I'm like it's just like wrong like it doesn't seem like like it will be entertaining. And? You know I sort of had that thought but I understand where he's coming from here because. You know as somebody who is kind of mixed on Burton's career so far I thought he did a really interesting thing a few years ago when he made this phone call big is which was a movie that did not conform to his aesthetic stylings at all and nobody cared about it nobody. Liked it it it sort of came and went and nobody gave a shit. I, thought that was his last chance It felt that feels now looking back on it like him being like, okay I'm GonNa. Try to push myself creatively into an area that I you know outside of my comfort zone and then when that didn't work he sort of. This is my read on it. He sort of threw up his hands and said, okay, fine like I'll just go back and do the thing that I that I always do that everybody likes when I do so. ACT CAN'T BLAME HIM entirely for going back to this kind of well but the show I. Guess. The only details we have about what this take is is that it is a live action series that would be set in present times. Of Wednesday addams and what the world would look to look to her in two thousand twenty. I mean that seems smarts of be basing it from her. Pov. Right or am I wrong there. Is a really interesting character but like. All of the Gomez mortician a really fast. Like they're much more flamboyant characters and I like the idea of them being at the center of this. Is Sort of always been ensemble sample concept anyway. So the idea of it maybe theoretically narrowing just to Wednesday's perspective. I guess could be interesting but I don't know I. I. Don't know how I feel about this overall Brad. What do you think about this? Like what do you think about Tim Burton doing something? That is so clearly Tim Burton Ish. you know I'm. I'm torn because Tim Berne style has always you know been very similar to the original Adam's family comic strip. This you know dark macabre kind of sense of humor and I I don't know it just it seems too easy like an i. He's been doing so much that has already been so easy and just obvious in his wheelhouse that I. I don't know it just seems uninspired to me like I feel like I would want somebody with a little bit of A. Different you know vision digging into the addams family and the new perspective is somewhat interesting. But like you said, you know has always been really about the ensemble. That's what makes the live action movie so good and so I I don't know I'm I will reserve judgment until we to to see. But Nothing Tim Burton has done recently inspires much confidence that. It's going to turn out the way that we would want. Yeah. I, think the only reason the Wednesday perspective like it's interesting to me is because I like that going to school and stuff like she has a life that's big outside of the family and outside that home and he kind of. To her getting a perspective of. You know. Normal or I guess the Weirdos that live outside her house that I think that you don't get as much with them. The rest of the family out now then it's Kinda like the munsters though isn't it? Because it wasn't the whole premise of the munsters that there was like one quote unquote normal member of the family and it was like a teenage girl and everybody else was basically like addams family characters. Yeah Yeah I don't I don't know okay we've gone we've gone long enough on this or thirty eight minutes is up so so you can find more of all the stories we mentioned on today's show on social media comment linked in the show notes this podcast can be found on apple podcast Google overcast spotify the podcast APPs please feel free to singer feedback questions, comments, concerns to us a peters lost calm in please regnery despite gusts tell your friends spread the word and we'll see you on Wednesday

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Batman Reborn Part 3

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Batman Reborn Part 3

"This episode of lunatics brought to you by tweaked audio, get awesome headphones tweaked audio dot com and use the coupon code southgate get thirty percent off reshipping in a lifetime warranty where he can get there through the link on our website Southgate Media Group dotcom. GUCA can you're listening? Lunatics podcast. Hello and come back to episode of the Night Wing News. I am Phil joining is always is. In the cat. Anyway. Yes. Davidson nights whenever you're listening to this we're. We're GONNA be reviewing Batman reborn stuff this time covering Justice League of America forty, nine hundred sixty. So. Yes. Broad Hugh. Why are Miss Kristen also got something new at the store? Thank. Robin cheating here's of the boy wonder five years ago. That was seventy five years and now five years after seventy five. Eighty years is not. On the back Robin the boy wonder the most thing aside. Jacob all. The most famous scientific ever. Hardcover Eighty F- ago along with that other stuff. For eight decades of super heroic starring Dick Grayson Jason Dodd Drake's Stephanie Round Damian Wayne, I'm GonNa have to get that just. In. Go read on the shelf alongside my action comics eightieth in detective comics eightieth anniversary. It. Features commentary by Peter J Tomasi Donnie O.`Neil Chuck Dixon Burnt. Lord. We. Star. Past Cavalcade Batman. Your dog right bill. You're right. It. Includes I feel like this was also in the seventy fifth one to be honest. Probably. I. Mean. It's the first Robin Story Courses Has. Saying it includes this gem that we reviewed earlier. LAGARDE will back from the beginning of the year. Seems like hundred years ago because I think that might have been pre covid we covered that. It was back when we had no idea what we were. So yes. That was that was some time before the Middle March. Yes. It also come right after burt ward. Giving his speech and I know again also has a couple. We have strike while campuses fought, which is right after Dick goes to college in dealing with all those iffy wardner. In there, but he billed builders robin the boy wonder this a little. He didn't immediately get upgraded. Wonder winning went to college I see. In a minute all these are out already I saw joker hardcover. There's also flash and green lantern one out already. Well. I thought I thought they made a bigger deal about announcing all these or any. I guess I guess you're right with the kill. Somebody then Daniel O'Neil with this Daniel Neal is a repeat. Something that was originally published in Bamiyan doesn't family. His about Jason and actually for those of you who? Like Jason Hansen pretty good ones in here. They actually have another one that we review Oh. Yes. Office three, sixty, eight, a revenge over rainbows, which is A. Crazy quilt crazy quilt in. We've got foam Dick Coming. In. and. Saying. Jason. Be Robin Bruce. You've just received a profound get J. put on. Then that actually came before Jason's new origin story. Yes. I founded on Amazon. Also that Jason has some new origin stories in that four ten were kind. So you said, you got that at the store. Yeah I saw on Amazon and then I went in, bought it from From my comment. They have this. Because they have a thing that I can use the order stuff like the computer. Oh, wait stop the presses breaking news. I'm looking at this on Amazon and you scroll down you know pass the price and add the carton all that. And it's like frequently bought together and it's like the other hardcovers. But under you might also like guess what the first choice that came up under you might also like is decrease. Dick Grayson. You might. Yeah see I I one on the left there. You might also like decrease and boy wonder excellent and it looks like it mostly has lots of stars. So that's good. It also includes the gauntlet here which we also reviewed. Show. You're killing me here I want to get this book, but I'm like a guy off these. Yeah I mean you probably have almost all of these. I bought it because Yet. includes. Little. Damien. Raise like a bad. You know the one ask. There that one? Awesome. Probably have almost all the issues but for me, it was good because. I'm sure a lot of the issues with my dad now. I have. As to percents issue which I was reading, and that includes this one. Came Out Which one is that the president came out in twenty nineteen I think that was one of the like one of the year anniversary things maybe. Come into the best but I'm like you know from buying a book like that on some of the older stuff that maybe might not have you know. Right yeah. The president was from detective one. Thousand. While I mean, they have detective comics 165 from November nineteen, fifty in operation escaped star spangled comics number one, twenty, four. January and fifty two. And Song beautiful words, Robert, warns so. You know so yes. It's aesthetically pleasing aren't those nights end pages all the different design. And look at this get. The actual like the the covers. The paper cover, slip cover whatever cover. That's slick right Off So. Yeah. Go by that and why you're on there, it'll say you might also like go pick up decrease boy wonder also I'm going to the regular review because all they all have five star reviews so. Decrease and boy wonder. So yeah, go pick up wondering rate overview. It's pretty. Nice qual- is nice quality so Even, if you have some of them, here's a list. You the foolish. Okay Yeah, and to say, I think I think on the Amazon listing ahead, the issues that are in there. Does. Have, to check that. I think it's always good I like to try to buy the robin stuff. So I see no. Companies you've got a vote with your money over. Like. Rodney beloved degrees in they're like yellow you better pay for. Like how many Susan here don't I have probably GonNa buy that I'm going to see like the joker flash and Green lantern ones if I, if there's enough issues in their idol have Prime Mike. Well, in wonder, woman should be getting one coming out in two, thousand, twenty, one because. That's when she's eighty. So was it forty one or forty I can't remember think it might have been early forty one. We're just. That's a good segue all those people who name reentered black in wonder woman they happen to be the Justice League maybe not this Johnson Thinking John. They're often associated with the. Justice. League. So yes. So this is yeah like I said just like forty nine through sixty starts November twenty ten and runs right up until new when new fifty two starts out. Yes this was the last that. This was last issues before new fifty. Goes on the back. Actually what was so bad about his green later movie. I don't know earth part it was too goofy. They tried to try to cram into much parallel should have been its own thing. Come on hot, wheels track. I only out once I mean I was like okay I mean I didn't see. I always, all wines. I wasn't a May. I mean I wasn't amazed but I didn't do. It was a dumpster fire. Complete Dumpster Fire Wasn't that twenty fifty. The way people acted about it they were like Oh my God. have. You watched dead poor deadpool two. Alright. So I guess. We'll we can't about all of them because of issues I went through and put little bookmark. Marquette's on things I. Want I like because I'm a nerd. I like that like I mean I mean it starts off as you forty nine. So I mean, we start there. But I I like that like Dick Kinda hat I don't know if it was like a mentor or just like a friend rule with the supergirl. Yeah and I was GONNA. I was GONNA ask about that because I feel like. His Also. Had some kind of reinvention are things that you've been kind of age down at times I. Mean she was killed off in crisis on infinite earths 'cause for some reason what it Superman? Only crypto Nian But yeah, they kind of brought her back in. Lausanne two thousand. Three or four something like that. Yeah. And when they came back, she choose this diversion was kinda younger than than the one that killed. Wasn't she Linda Danvers or at one point or note with that. How grew Nobody Linda Danvers. supergirl was Lyndon. Danvers. Yeah. Okay. But now she's Keira Okay. Refusal. Yeah. Now she decided that uses the same first name because yound crypt on Shoes Carrizo L. now she's caring Danvers Yeah. Okay okay. Because I was worried about that because I felt like I see supergirl stuff from. Back obviously must be back before crisis and then there's that one. I think it might be the outsiders. Issue where care is in it in the cover has Ignited like. doodling like terrible snagged waiting for whatever thing I was thinking. Too late. Fit with the super. Bowl. I remember. Before. But okay, well, no. So yeah. No. This one. It starts off on mile. where she's helping CARAS helping. In the bunker she's taken a giant saxophone because you know whenever you have dying props that's when you need your tonia friend get help you get it into your nets you're dragging layer. Put it together and then yeah, he's saying she's lonely I can sell smiles and bright ours. But lowly advisor digging some of outwards food. Which is night Enya inveigh. Vulcan the yeah. The issue. All. Night Donna stop in this to with don related stuff in this issue. The Talk about. Whether you're the type of person who moves on or him. When it comes to loss but yeah, is really good. It's really good. Don It is really good diet as you and if you. Feel like it's easier renewed the issue of course, those talk about doubt obviously. But at the same time, it gives you a little bit of a crash course because. We may get some rain. Like hint of all the stuff that has gone before all the loss fishies face. Donald really has had a lot of people. Over. Her husband or her son. Although. It annoys me a little bit. With Donald, J predict Y. Y. When name modernized of, why do they have to make Reagan Reagan Ravens outfit like that all like. done. Oh. I don't know if that's just because to I. She was kind of Rian. Again, this isn't an excuse but like she was Kinda reincarnated came back as a teenager I. Think. Raven DA's that won't believe. Yeah. Time. This is that time period. Yeah what? Did it again? I mean, yeah I mean the after like new fifty two they of aged her again to. Poor Poor Poor Ramos, you can never grow up. It's definitely, very different. And you can tell they're kind of playing with that one invitation show the younger younger roofing worse. Dicker. I mean I. Guess is the Same Age I dunno Ravens Port team is. So how old are you now? But I like that conversation at the end you know like you said the book and the whole thing with taking. Care and she's just like you know it's easier losing people and she's like I guess the pencil kind of person you are if you can move on, she's like a like Oh like bruce can't move on. Yeah, he's like Oh like you. He's like, yeah I can move on I try to but other people get and yet it's like oh like. So. There's net. Then goto fifty. Yeah Fifty through fifty three is like, yeah it's like the battle with the crime syndicate up, which is the same crime syndicate that comes poppy backup. Yes in. Forever. Evil Right. Yeah, pretty much I mean unless they tweak something with after new fifty, two by I mean. Yeah. Pretty much. It's the same crimes. I can't remember. It's so but yes, like you said, here's a call of the justice. League. Dig Batman and then. Female. Super Super girl at your. Email obviously on female female green lantern. speedster. Who Pencil by Mark Bagley my favorite Spiderman Artists Well. There you go. Fighters. Okay. So what I like to highlight when they're talking so another green lantern shows up in trying to. Divers, thongs talking about how she went on this journey and I love the comment where she says. That's my second one. While do that one we talk about the more important one whereas you saying like, oh. Yeah. I went through the looking for Ray Palmer says the hunt for Palmer me Jason Todd Reggie you guys Invicta, the baggers. Yeah. Think of. The loves briefing. Extra awesome part of this one is digging Donna strain mean having their little jet. While phone on this law Blah Blah Donna says. Bottomline Dick is dead. Let us. That like tight days in now and I follow you to hell if I had to. Then they're alarm of the alarm and he's like well, maybe this will take us to hill. and IT KINDA For. Our readers. So then the justice, no crime syndicate showed up and so. It's not exactly equivalent while. But like isn't it? So like ultraman the Superman is still Clark. Was Super Woman. Who's the Amazon is actually called lowest. They're close but not yet. It's not it's not a it's not exactly exact person like almond is like Thomas Wayne. He's like that universes that means brother or Bruce Wayne's brother. Okay that's what I. Was Thinking Thomas Wayne Junior Yeah and then the. Speed Circle. Johnny quick, which is, which is kind of weird for Jesse, because Lindsey of the same name as her father guess she said it looks like your father to. That's creepy. But then the guy who's their green lantern equivalent is the power ring I guess his his brings. Brings like more. His rings more mystical than like. Alien. Like. Some kind of mystic entity or something want WanNa point out the power ring is a super cheesy. I know it's like you know you're an assassination call yourself gun or something. Like okay. Really phone in their crimes to begin with. Okay. Offerman aride superwoman a gay man not bad. But how Rincon. Better I know but I mean, this is kind of like a need issue one, the arc because you know. Dick's Justice League is basically facing off against the evil versions of that. classically you know. Yeah. No, it is. Really it is. Really. Really. Instead it all up here they come striding out. Guys in town. Oh No. And there's a lot of fighting. What happens when bad guys like they show up lots of party? Then they're like working with somebody. They have the Omega man out. There's Donna superwoman on the bag. So at the end of the issue. Yes. So said the bad people crimes kit, the bad equivalence of the like Bruce Clark Diana I think is supposed to be how Dorian green lantern I think sour close variation. Yeah. Because I know there is a Yeah 'cause like it's weird. 'cause like their universe kinda mirrors ours because there's one point. Jon Stewart. was on the team and somehow like. This this powering gets killed and they get like a black power ring. So it they Mir our universe that you think not include is supposed to be analogous to the Johnny. Quick in our in the main university, he's supposed to be more a very Allen's I. I would assume he supposed to be joining quick is because Jesse said, he looks in. Her Dad. Yeah. But anyway at the end of this. Alman Shenanigans natch who else would you expect the? Batman. Gremlin. In its this. Machine in the Omega man that. sounded. Yeah. It has I. Think is some like infinite crisis docs are using I? Think they're using some kind of multi. One of the antennas that Alexander Luther was using you know yeah. They say would bring out later the rackers vein but. Yeah. Because like in the original crisis they showed. They shared it before that but I just remember from like the first couple of pages of crisis in the eighties like on the crime syndicates Earth, their their main enemy was a good lex. Luther. Married the lowest lane yeah. Okay yeah, and they were talking about that's one of their disagreements is. Ultra man says we need to give up our. Thursday came from and take a new earth. In alamance want. WanNa. Do that. That's what they're arguing about who runs of other people though. That this one, then I actually highlight anything in this one, I just was like all of fighting. But. No then fifty one I think Powering against made jade's powers run out of control the Star Heart which powers her dad. There's weird things going on with that through this whole run but. Now was the lady with blankets night right A different. Kinda SORTA, we'll. There is like an arc break before what we were covering. Yeah I mean Oh. Yeah. That's true. Because number wait forty nine not Dixie I. Okay. The. Fighting, WASHINGTON DC. It's covered by. A Jain cream bubble. So all these other trying to crack through like superman and flash. There's legit comes in from a different. Earth. Yeah. Keira ends up bed but I just I just love how the here is like Oh. What's going on in their? You know we're got to get in there and save the world and superman like there's hope that team and there's the Justice League of America their new to it. Sure. But they aren't new to this level when adversity none of them are at I know that they'll come through Waco Superman Good speech. Inspirational could the other way it could've been better what they would have been like I trust the man leading them I would trust my life. Batman. Might have been a little too dramatic. Received Everybody allemand somewhere. which again is I mean pretty cool. We should see how capable flaming evil Batman. Right. Yeah. It really comes to a head in these less in these last two. because. And I'm like M. Like it's cool that he's like you still this cosmic stuff but I guess I mean. The Titans did enough cosmic stuff wasn't crazy cosmic stuff happening in the titans. Yeah. I mean leaving her dad. Crazy. We're demons and aliens and yeah, exactly. Yeah. Well, in brother blood had some kind of. Weird. Cosmic the. Side Anyway. So you think. Dark supergirl. Thinks she's just kind kinda being whoa. Leaning into her. Leading. Just heard tour devil may care attitude by. When thick says, you ought to choose a side. kisses. Him WHOA. But you'll see. A Then at the end, it's really the I would say it's really number fifty three were released out. Dick. Long Game Army that's where it's like obvious Ross for the end when it's getting really bad in the Omega Man. We because both teams they're teaming up the looks like Dick makes a deal with owl man. One choice. Kneel before. Omega Man. Oh. That's really good. Cliffhanger ended on Oh. Yeah. I mean I'm glad that I was reading this. Later like I mean I've had these wild. Waves actually. Yeah. I didn't actually realize did. Justice League wasn't on my radar initially went Dick, was banned. Yeah and then you're like, oh, he was justly. Then I got them. So Yeah I. Like. I have to wait for the next month I got later I mean the thing I like overall about this Justice League arc. It's like even more so than I, think the that book to this time like. He didn't have to pretend to be bruce. It was basically they're basically like, yeah, you're Batman but you're like, you know at different Batman. Like Yeah Yeah. Amanda Becker Makes Sense because with the Justice League you I feel like with the justice you are less I, mean the same group of heroes interacting with but in terms of civilians in enemies your. Is. Much. Different because you're dealing with these lighting threats helping out aliens daily been know what you would like before. No, they're not like the cops the criminals in Gotham. Feeling more doing more flips. And I'm pretty sure the whole team. The whole Justice League knew his identity at this point. So it's like eight enough to pretend with them or anything right well, I mean Obviously the main people working with. Donna Carra Jessie J are Jenny sees me they all know what I'm like if they all they all know, why couldn't you tell Gordon? Can you can you had? You always have to pretend the Gordon doesn't know. or it has to have plausible deniability in case, something goes south and the Mayor Somebody's unit to arrest Batman. I will once I figure out who it is. So. Yes. Oh Oh and Jenny thinks. A coward because he neil to the Omega Man. Yeah. They're really. They're really playing it up. But then it'll say How man betrays them, of course. Like Oh, we can't believe double crossed out man's like you're dumb if you. If you didn't think that. Dick is playing it up a bit. I can't believe I trusted you album you really outplayed. Oh that's what you think Alman. Then Moment. Who's one thinking is a blue Jay who I don't really know much about Jay. LemMe Ready said, and then you can tell us who blue Jays I'm not too familiar with. Luce by. Also The. Our hero at knows that work this electron. Another earth I know that. There we go. All right. So Blue Jay did some stuff agree with it and then? Lights in I don't know I think Omega may get sucked in or something says, of course, the plan the whole time he's Batman always has a flynn. You, find out. Oh, look care was really making out with him at all she whispering in his ear. Basically. She's keeping an eye on mega man. Batman never trusted allemand knew he was a snake? The whole time is apparent acts of fear weakness all part of the rules a little overacted. You asked me while Dick is board performer so. Performed on the stage where you've got overact a little people are far away from you. Well he was a performer as a child. That's I. said, but he's a performer that you know not enclosed up. They always say you're on the. Stage show play Broadway something like that. Gestures everything had to be bigger than. TV show, gifts that canvas. Fake. So basically with the help of a resurrected Alexander Luther. They yeah. They booby trapped. The thing that Omega Man was the machine he was using that instead of destroying universities when he sucked in the multi versus every time he gets one, he'll. He'll universes. Yup Well, and they used the other green lanterns. Yes. The relent the of green lantern who popped up on earth. She has the power to resurrect you for redemption she resurrects Alexander Luther. The. Field Oh look everyone everyone's happy I. Love that last that last page. Like we did a Bravo well-done. Billy Grill. I give you Justice League of America always good when they're talking in logos The little smirk on his face. Gang good. All right, so bad that I like. Not that this one was bad but I like this argue. What's better? It was a little bit easier maybe to unders. and I think. I think this rise of eclipse one is almost two long. Yeah Yeah Yeah I think. Six issue. Was Not that many. Yeah. Yeah. The six issues and Mega man was four. and. That make a big difference. I think I think that the eclipse almost dragged on. Yeah. Oh Yeah. Except the. 'cause a clip tickets from fifty four to fifty nine. Like Red Bull, there's really not giving. This was mostly setting up the Justice League don't appear in that first one fifth or all that much I know there's just like like a couple of action shots in his first two pages but yeah. So. You get laid out. So a click so is some kind of. Can possess people's bodies. He's like he's like a demon or even like a fallen angel or something. I I think the current version they were kind of like you know he was the specter before the specter you know. Okay back and so then he gets his body shade. Hope him out. Yeah. He he's possesses a bunch of villains. Yeah Right. Terminals. At shadow thief. Hawk Man Villain Yet, he possesses a bunch of villains, crates nor me and then. Oh. Yeah. The whole, the whole star hard thing A minute. That's right at. Supposedly Yeah Alan Scott was on the moon because he couldn't use kind of paralyzed because the whole star, but he was in the last days you. Yeah. That's where he here trying to break through that force. Field. Yeah. Whole star things at different thing than the Green Lantern Corps. So it's like Ghana. In has to do with why jade can't be too close were brother of city and right? Yeah Yeah. then. We get taken care in space. Yeah we'll as this sweet little rocket. And of course it gets. Blown up. and. The picture. And he has a cool little, Batman? Spacesuit. TRON S. To meet one of the green lanterns and they get ambushed by. By Doomsday. It looks like. Up. While clip zone his buddies or attack in the Moon Orangeade and Donner with Alan Scott. Was At star Man's call. No. Yes star. Man's at the tower calling for help and things like we're a little busy. Pretty crazy. So, get basically Dickens. Care Fighting Doomsday Washington's trying to take over the city on the moon. But yeah, they drag this out. Yeah. Like you were saying, they tried to side a little long. Again to this, like kind of Segues 'cause, the eclipse store keeps going on in the Justice League fifty six, and then there's a whole thing with the doomsday storyline with cyborg Superman shows up not in Batman Superman annual five. Guess braces off so that what is not offers all in we are watching. Or reading. I mean, some of these covers covers kinda sweet but. This one had made me excited though in fifty six in the letter column, Somebody wrote in from Toledo Ohio Oh. I don't know though. Maybe, someday will mean debit from Toledo road. I'd like to say the jail books have been great. To. Hear it Devon I think it was. Was It last year? Think Matt who's on the quantum's and with me he wrote into the Guardians of the galaxy comic and they printed his letter. I've never written a letter to the comic books. Have you. I'm trying to remember I might have written one or two when I was when I was when I was a kid but never go through. I keep meaning to. Even coalition. Letter the though have they the pens like some of the more of a one stop. Up to the editor but some of them do some don't at least over Marvel I. Don't know I don't think they've had any at night wing. They probably wouldn't want to have any I will. Be Like please with this story A. Doctor Seventy five that. But yeah. No, I remember back in the day knows all snail mail so The letter pages would be about issues that were like you know three to six months ago. Now it's like, yeah, you can email, and so you know there's letters from the about the last issue. Pretty Wild. So yeah, we're fighting on the moon. I put a tablet something here. Yes. So in fifty seven. You're talking about sir. St John. Young of Saint Saint Walker. State Walker. Yes, I. Stay Walker telling stuff, and then digs are explaining how jade serving as of connection between gentleman star linking their energy blah blah, blah. And See Walkers you put that together on you really are the world's greatest detective in the Dick says second-best again now thankfully but they But. I mean amee bringing a bunch of reinforcements including cyborg. Are No see. Of course, it sticks and we get punny Batman yet because Saint Walker brings in like Oh sorry guys are traffic on the freeway relate traffic on the freeway. Keep it light. And have it all be do mingling. Just love you like Dick just like jumping over shades like dark tendrils or whatever. Which? Which I'm not sure what kind of gravity the going on new that's city but I was going to say they could probably pull awesome Swede acrobatic moves on the moon with its lesser gravity. Blaze practically nothing he'd be like. Well. Maybe has to be careful that he doesn't like load off. True. Abby. Dangerous we other making a in fifty six when obsidian shows up Jimmy's brother. Now. My favorite one that one where he stayed second best in now of thanks. So I thought Oh that's nice. Gene Bruce's back. It's not funny because I feel like a lot of people would dispute whether actually best take their best after him whatever it. Warms my heart. Even if we could coup. I'm not going to go if they wanted the MDC sticks promote Dick the second best effective also mind me. The Specter shows. You'll get basically specter battling clips. Wow that's a nice big to page. Yeah. But yet batmans becoming up the plan say knows what their roles aren't good. Looks. Art Is Different in the next one, the eight or maybe the Robinson digits of earthy pages. Robinson's the writer. So yeah, I do believe it. Oh, change Oh. Okay right. Booth in that in. Yeah. Okay. Right yeah. It is different in. The page that I hadn't worked where they're. Talking about their plan they just look really different. Outlook looked in. Fifty, fifty, nine, and sixty are a new artists so. Okay okay. I don't know if they. If they did actually needed the artist somewhere else or if they cause the reboots come in yeah? I'm like boxing honestly a little bruce like in this one at least Fifty. Fifty eight. But what I love is when he's giving out their roles. They need snake into. One school. Their brain thin to go into. Go. into the brain who's bringing lake went into again. What issues this fifty? Oh. Yes. The adamant men are going to be shrunken to go in to. AIDS. Had I. Think Yeah. I said, but I love when the atoms talking and like we won't be taking you into the. Different plant. We won't be sending you in the normal way and says, no swimming through snot tears Iraq, guys out love this Batman. Not The Bells Reminder of optic has plans but also. He has he has nice way. He's thinking I mean I think it's mostly about the it will be a less noticeable diversion if they shoot those guys into his head, but he's also thinking of his teammates in how it would be nice not at the club. Not You know that's nice. I mean. Basically clip so to keep them busy. Yeah. So that the Brain than daunting get stabbed on payload. I like how when they go into his brain. How they conduct show. How bad stuff? Eclipse side those died is. Although creepy. biters brain. Reading. Yes the of Gas Donna even after they were talking about how Donna. Her suffering she's been purified as you get Serb now. But. She's got recovered. The that we have it again in the of repeated fifty nine. They've not Donna bedrose pain loss. Pure light that can save everyone. Wait go donna mud steward while they're cleaning spiders the brain. Got An advertisement here for the new fifty two. I mean they free shade to. Learn shade, which frees everyone who had clips have had unders power. Nick, basically, what just like wear down some clips out turns back in the scoring. Pregnant was was Bruce Border I know It feels like you should live in Gotha with namely. We. Oh. Yeah, I love the atoms like Oh yeah. The out the current Elliott the doing a great job and I hope he remained the Justice League as long as you want, and then the last page just five weeks later Dick's like Florida's our last meeting ever. Sleep. Well we already know. Already know what's coming in. We get to this Yup. Last issue this run YEP. Four new fifty last issue before new fifty two. And everybody's talking through. They will they show so many guests some of these missions I don't know if maybe this was just like Robinson's like if I could've kept going, this is what I would have done. Oh. Maybe yet. Warhead next. Robots the. jazzy stuff. And the other was explaining you were ready to move on or not those people anymore justice can have a baby. superheroes talking about leaving in Donna's like, I, just don't feel it anymore. In A. I was listening to. But I'll be back as night wing soon. Incorporated thing a lot of time. Skit at. So yeah I mean they're just showing like some of these pages. Yeah a Saturn Thana war. Yet dixie A- thick said Dixon. He's out to I feel marking time and want me back as lengthening soon. So. Yeah. We see people leaving and I have a feeling like this last sequence was like basically them F- because when the new fifty two I started there was no sign and Donna. So it's like you know that's what I was Gonna ask us I was thinking he is Cara. Care of a hug and then yeah, it ends. With Dick Donna toll pointing out. A. Yeah. Right and he's saying. I can guarantee not everyone is GonNa Forget you. Like was I've got to deal with you. To. They go away. Yeah did not come up complicating the come back to that titans won they bring her back right away. I'm trying to remember the exact point they brought her back but I mean it was at least a year or two in the end of that they embrace. I think for they brought her back so walling. West. Well. It's like. The minute new they're like a different version of wildly for awhile or something. That's the weird thing. It's like, okay. when new fifty two started like Tim's version of the titans were running around with which I think he had beast boy which is weird and then eventually when they brought back the original titans are like Oh. Yeah. We made the forget. So it was like Dick on you know basically everyone. Basically everyone but cyborg because he was like in new fifty two, he was like a founding member of the Justice League which makes no sense and you know like basically a racist his friendship with beast boy and everyone else in the pains. My No, it felt like you didn't have any friends in jail a well, that's what I said. I'm like I don't care if he's a member of the Justice League, but how about work up to it happened be attained for so he has those friendships. Right? Yeah. I. Mean They could have. Had Him be injustice league. acknowledged like, yeah he was title before. The from Daiwa. Forbes Buddy. Right, because it's not I mean because you know even as much as they try to pretend with the new restarted over. No, you did your just plopping down into the middle of another universe does got at least four. Robbins, running around you know I mean. Can't go you can't go back to nineteen forty. I mean that was my problem. It was like they kind of like that was the problem new fifty two they cut them the cut off their biggest strength, which is like all these legacy characters and stop and they base like Oh yes. Starting new fifty, two, I mean like Justice League in like action comics started earlier but everyone else they're like Oh yeah. We're five years into this universe. Okay we'll. We'll fill you in on history time us on. It's like really. But yeah, which I feel like if you were millions and on history as time goes on why didn't we just stick with the universe we had then it's like they wanted everything at day one. So it's like you know all right. We're five years into this universe but already Dick Jason Tim Team Have Been Robin. So it's like what Bruce had like what robin a year or something. Right, yeah and how are they supposed to be? Yeah. It just didn't really work out now and they you know. Barbara's done how was injured but done all oracles duff and his already back like. I'm still kind of mad I'm Barbara's there but shoe super cool as oracle although. I mean I I'm pretty sure I. Don't think they're going to laugh cripple her again but I it looks like they're saying after Batman one hundred she may be doing I. Don't know if it's part time or what but she can be maybe oracle again at least some of the time. And that's fine but I liked her as. Disability, representation. For our prefer that they gave a different origin story for why she was airlines like I dunno couldn't have been a car crash or something I mean not that I wanNa win you know about the but I, mean, it didn't. Yeah I feel like they have to take out all the good stuff to try to erase. Bad. Bridging tank from the killing joke they could've just mean the. People get injured in Gotham city in normal ways do everything does nothing worth of a super villain? I mean I think it would have been better. I you know basically joker just comes to the door. I think it would have been better if like you know if like Hughes Imminent Her dad and she threw herself in the pathway. Yeah. Yeah, you could have done something like you could have done something like that or he did it to her deliberately like. He wanted to hurt her to hurt her not hurting you because I want her your dead because that's like the very essence. Oh. frigging of into a woman to bring about man pain Just as long as he didn't then like stripper naked. that. I mean, I mean they're getting in the stuff in three jokers in Oh. My God that's up poop show over there but. You don't like it. It's just. There's multiple jokers and it's like what the world's greatest detective hasn't realized. He's been dealing with more than one man for years really. Oh, in an issue to came out last week I, mean she him down pretty quick but Jason Kidd Kissed Barbara. What I'm like, oh no sorry back off that. No, yours no. She was not into it Goto. Yes. She says no no. What the heck? Yeah. Why why do they have the ravages go around killing people? Say. Kissing Robin Jesus only kissing the best ones on. Also. Yeah. I would view really weirded out by that as Margaret like I'm sorry Jason. Kiss your older brother doesn't mean I also WanNa to you. Really. Like. I'm not community. Exactly again let's just like, oh, it's the girl going to pass I'm like that's stupid this I know. Exactly. As you wanted today, Jason. Weird but. But and again, some continuity Jason's been candidate datings another woman in. The Red Hood Book. So right? Yeah. Well, they're getting so bad about that I know back now day they used to have like yearly meanings at least and we're they'd be like you know if you're the same character in different books are like, okay. Well, here's what I'm thinking the character in my book. So they all made sure like all their books lined up. Yeah I think I think once? We are talking to might even Devin Grayson about it. That even back when she was writing, they were not as hard core about that with the characters because remember. When she's writing very much dating Barbara Log. Okay. They break up within they're trying to get back together and you know the blunt over in. Outsiders they haven't seen really flirty of. With having sex with star fire will they were? Kinda I. Think they were possessed was trying owners in tie-ins best later. Yeah. This is the woman winnick was right. Yeah. Yeah and then later on they possess. Yeah. Madness. But yeah, poor bre. I mean I'd I'd like to Oracle because it was like a like a like an inspirational thing. It's like, yeah, you know she was shot. She's not going to get the use of her legs back. So she but she picks her well she picks resolve back up and reinvents herself you know. Right, and is important. I mean we're talking about representation is important. It is important. So. People. People. Who can't people who needed wheelchairs they should be able to see themselves represented in superhero comics sue and they were. Pretty. Bad superheroes well, and again. Awesome and again you years and years saying Oh. Yeah. It doesn't matter if he can walk or not. She's still a hero and then the first thing you do is you turn around and do that and it's just like you had multiple bat girls if you WANNA, back girl yet CASSANDRA Cain you had. Stephanie. Brown. Yeah. Is. Part of their weird quest to make everybody. So Young. Yeah I mean every, you know after a while no matter what they do is try to go back to like the original versions of characters Barbara now. Is I mean maybe I don't know how will they think she is but she's got a young I. Mean She was twenty five when they invented her because the. Congress and you've got to be twenty five. And now it seems like she's probably maybe Dick Sage right? Yeah. They're like more contemporaries. Yeah. Yeah and they're like both twenty, one, twenty, two, some. People. Say That she's younger than Dick now I don't really know how you can tell because don't not. Actually there I mean, they never actually say their age. I mean they had a run in her own small company for a while and now she's she's been she was doing work for was it a congresswoman or something? I. Mean saw I would assume she would have to be I mean in or Out of college no, I think I think she's in college now on that's what I'm saying she's got a broad be like early twenties lease. Again why think these days they try to keep it vague so Are you I mean they've always tried really hard keeping. Thank even more so now. Yeah. Alright. So final funkaway thoughts on this. It's a good. It's a good Ron. I would say though if you have limited amount of time. Most, definitely read fifty one, the three that he threw a three. Forty nine in sixty, not bad blood, the a crime syndicate and with the Omega Man is really good. In general, it's a really good one. With Donald but also like what reading? Reason which obviously do you're listening to this? Than you like it because it does highlight you know now Dick is Batman and. Batman has a plan for the head. Your final thought spill like you said, I mean it's good yet dick's the thick very Batman esque point you know in the planning and the strategy, but he he's Like. I said even more. So than the books, he's really his own man over here. Yeah he's definitely more fun than Bruce would be and you get lots of great quotes about I love this new. Stuff everybody else appreciates the fun. I. Mean you can almost which out that bat suit for his wing suit and he really wouldn't miss. Much. Pretty much almost the same thing. Yeah. But we can't have that because of marketing is. In the bat books, they still had him as Batman. So that's the thing like that, right but. That's one of the weaknesses and like the team books it's like you know if people have like their own solo series, you kind of have to go where they're going with it. You know. We have to remember that always it's about. The real world, the marketing in that Oh. Yeah. Oh. Yeah. Money talks. So yeah. That's definitely part of the reason a they're like, oh, we got to reset this that this justice league is a really great Justice League for people who are into comics. In or entities in our into these characters. In who have kind of more background knowledge, but it's not a good justice league. If all, you've ever seen what although I realized this before the Justice League movie. But if all you ever seen was the Justice League. And then you picked up this Justice League you'll be confused I. Think I mean I'm pretty sure James Robinson is like like a big fan of like. Like these history and stuff, and again, this was like the last run before new fifty two I wonder if they were just like Oh. Yeah. Go ahead knock yourself out whenever you want to do because you know it's Fun probably to write a if they were like, you can write a team boat and you can pick who you want to be on the team. Instead of being this is the team rival. One. Again, to I think it was like you know Batman Superman, wonder woman, they're all off doing different stuff in their own books. Yeah. There's they're like eight Batman Superman wonder woman near like. Kinda can't. But yeah. Right. As was my, it's not like it's a fun experiment Kinda like with. digger Damien Batman and Robin it was kind of a reversal and this is. I mean, this was a much I mean. There are people who get law I mean you know like wonder woman she's good and Clark Superman they get along. Well, they work in play well with others but Batman doesn't always they don't always right how Jordan as were playing well with others. So. A much less confrontational. Justice League in like the eight ones like nineteen eighty, seven I gotta had the Bruce was Batman on the team the Green Lantern Guy Gardner who's like basically a huge jerk at that point, right? Okay. Yeah. Made Nothing. Pungent of the. Guy Gardner's always mouth off and like eventually he's just like he takes off his ring and he's like Oh. Yeah Bat. Let's go and back into bruce decks and with one pine, right? Yeah. Like you're not going to see that in this justice. I think is out speaking of Guy Gardner, have you seen the name going around on the Internet where? Be Some guy saying you know Oh was women you know you're superman is here and you don't recognize him I. Guess Nice. Guys Finish last dead whatever. The woman goes Oh. You think you're Clark Kent You can't hold a candle the clock in. Here. You guys are. You guys are being Guy Gardner thinking you're clergy. That is that's the sickest ever. Bird. Burn. So, all right. So yes, one don't be guy. Gardner be a clerk. Dick Grayson. Lord. Exactly just don't be a Guy Gardner match. True. All right. So next time we're going to be back detective. the Black Mirror. So Eight, seventy, one, eight, seventy, three. that. We were going to good for Halloween it'll be good for Halloween. Yes. Let's see Yeah. So and then we're going to do four weeks in a row detective comics, but we might break that up with that we talked to kyle in. Danger again south. Is after after next week's episode. Yeah. We might get to interviews in a row sow. Yes. All. On the. The big fish here in a damn will be good because that's going to be night wing seventy five. Let's hope exciting things have been what things will happen gas. So they're good exciting things though in not exciting exactly what can be back in the suit so Oh I know you were saying you know there that preview pages that you've got me on one hundred were kind of flirting with Barbara. But again to remember that's being written by someone other than the guide, right? Dick's books so. They can't agree. So yes, I was going to say it's not might that I'm a I wouldn't take that as you know be spayed is sealed so. Keep, an I'll try to keep my mind open optimism, Hud. 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PCC Multiverse #173- The Podcast Wars Heat Up, Is Alternative Music On Life Support, and The Justice League Snyder Cut Is Real!

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PCC Multiverse #173- The Podcast Wars Heat Up, Is Alternative Music On Life Support, and The Justice League Snyder Cut Is Real!

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GotTa check out what he's doing today at Pop Culture Cosmos Dot Com also has great show topic which he's got a lot coming on the way and also of course has book. Congratulations you suck. Which you can get now on Amazon and Barnes and noble. He does my good friend. Heat is Josh Peterson. What's up man? What's up what's up. I actually finished final fantasy. Seven will eating Jimmy Tonga's so you know best both worlds. What a man right there for you. That's a Gamer. And through we're getting some of our highest listens ever over the past couple of months. I don't know why it's because everybody is at home. Maybe but maybe they're just getting in more into podcast and we'll talk about podcast here in a sec glitter on the show when it comes to Joe Rogan because he got a nice chunk of change. So we'll talk about that as far as spotify staking its claim on the podcasts world. Over apple podcasts. Right now at the moment. They're making all the big news so we'll talk about that coming up later in the show also well. We've got NOAH IAN fine. He's coming back to talk about the WB and the last ride for the undertaker. He'll talk about that series coming up later the program. Well Plus Josh and I are GonNa be talking about K Rock K. R. Q. And if you're not familiar with them there I guess what are the most historically influential music stations radio stations. That ever played anywhere in the world because they were really very much behind the British new wave sensation of the eighties. The grunge rock era of the nineties and so much more especially on the west coast of the United States but we'll talk about their changes in their format and what can happen to them and also does this mean alternative radio as a whole is dying out. We'll talk about that scenario coming up in the show as well but I my friend couple things to go ahead and talk about but none. Bigger the rumors were true. The Myth the legend of the Snyder cut for just ASLI. It is a thing man. It was the thing all along as HBO. Max announced while Actually Zach. Snyder himself announced during a livestream of man of steel. Which actually Henry Cavill Kinda depth into as well? He was talking to him. During the course the actual live watching and whatnot. There was the big announcement that the Snyder cut the sacks Snyder of Justice League is the thing and it's going to be touched up here and there and they haven't decided yet on whether it's not it's going to be a four hour movie or a six episode series because that's how much footage they have. They are going to debut at some time in twenty twenty one on. Hbo Max now hold on my friend your that sound you hear that sound. That's me patting myself on the back because I know someone near and Dear to my Heart Aka me that called that not too long ago. Yes you did. That was a good call. Those are very good call. I I don't remember what I said. I think I said it'd be good as like a Video on demand type thing or as like a steel book edition but that was a very good call so now I'm seeing all these things first of all. I have so many questions about this. I'm super excited about this So many questions all lay out a few of them because I'm going to start rambling in a second but ample away friend ramble away. Yeah I it's it's such. I am so happy about this because one you know it it goes to show you that. It's it's true all the people saying. Oh it doesn't exist it doesn't exist it doesn't exist. They are just not that movie studios ever been honest with people but like that just goes to show that you know. They weren't being honest with people too. I'm so amazed not amazed when I'm so stoked to see Zach Snyder back in this universe. I'm curious if he had anything to do. I'm sure he did but I I wonder if he had anything to do with you. Know the roots of this campaign or if this was on that he saw gain traction than he gained interest in it. Because this might be like oh the sparking. Eat It after the you know the tragic loss of his daughter to kind of get back into the director's chair and that was that was the first issue comes to mind. I mean there. Is that if anybody's looking for the reason why the Justice League was never fulfilling his total vision. I mean it was the tragic suicide death of his daughter that necessitated him walking away from the project. Joss weeden taken over and he has so much footage left on the cutting room floor and Josh Sweden came in and I think what is the ESME about twenty twenty. Five percent is what he added in there. Outside of what Zach? Snyder had originally put in there. Something obviously the digitized mustache removal of Henry. Cavill was the most vilified thing that was on there. So here's what I was actually reading about this job. Sweden's cut was actually re cut by Warner Brothers. Because the producers thought that it was it was still too edgy. You know it wasn't going to to sell enough toys or or bringing up kids. The movie theater like a marvel felt so I heard that the jaw Sweden cut actually got re-cut which is surprising. Because it's just goes back to what I've been saying all along about Warner Brothers having this issue or their producers can't seem to let the filmmakers do their thing marvel does get right time after time is just they bring in voice and they let that voice sound clearly throughout these movies. Warner Brothers seems to have an issue doing that. It seems like it but you know what they're now going ahead and I guess seeing the Prophet in it because they need content and with HBO. Max Now a thing that's very close to being on horizon. I think the end of this month or start. They're going to go ahead and start seeing content come to way of. Hbo Max any second now with them opening up their channel making it a thing they need all the content they can get and this is something that people have clamored for. They've heard about and that they've want to see because of the I guess. Stark returns of sorry for the. Pun there for the Superhero Pun. The stark returns of Justice. The original time around because it didn't do so well a- box office and obviously to a lot of people as well. It was a very much a critical failure. I mean I thought it was okay but even rob is persecuted me. He's he's ripped me more than one time about my thoughts on it because everybody else thinks it's it's trash. I thought it was a but again. I'm excited to see what could take place in. A Snyder cut at a true realization from the director. The original director. On what does Justice League series could be all about does rob like it or does he dislike? He dislikes it with a passion absolutely passionate. He rigged me on the air on a previous episode. Way Back when for minutes nonstop on me thinking that it was even an average movie. Yeah well I mean rob's very opinionated about films that he is as we know but you Ruben about King Arthur. Right the trash Karma it comes back around anyway. Snyder cat. I'm just going to go off on my plethora of questions here. Are you ready. I might give you time to answer them. Just like you might give me time to cancer. Raise your hand enough. You need now. You're interrupt me however you want to okay. My first question to you is. Do you think that this is going to be a reuniting of the DC film universe because if this ends up being really good do you think they will continue on with the plan trilogy of Justice League movies? That's exactly what I was. GonNa ask you and that's something that I would hope if it's good enough and that's what I'm saying to everybody if it's good enough I already said and we've had these conversations before where I was hoping that they would continue with the extending nervous because I liked those stories upon stories. Sure it's comping marvel but then again when you have a good foundation you see that what they're doing trying to make it better try to take that and take it to another level instead of having all these separate stories when we know from the comic books. They're all together in one form or fashion instead of trying to go ahead and still continuously piece that out. Try to build something together for a common goal and still have your have your separate stories that to me would be the best way to go ahead and celebrate the DC comics lineup personally for lack of a better term so. I would hope personally that he would lead to something like that. I know some of the experts that are out there. Some of the analysts are out. There are not expecting this to revive a justice trilogy. I personally hope otherwise because if there are big number sport my friend I can tell you for a fact that. Hbo Now that they're bringing out. The Snyder cut look into it. Most assuredly oh I hope so here analysts when it comes to superhero movies. They have never been right about anything you know they. They don't know this is the else underestimated. Audience are for Superhero movies. You can never know what these fans want like watching a star seeing the debate over the last Jedi right. There's there's you don't know what people want. My hope here would be that yes they would revitalize the justice. Asli give the trilogy. Obviously Ben Affleck wouldn't come back unless is so good that it coaxed back into the the part somehow but they will need additional footage. Let's get that clear. Hbo Max is giving Warner Brothers Aka why? They're wearing twenty to thirty million. Yeah something like that. Yeah so that was actually my next thing. Let me finish this. This point real quick. Is that look at Batman. Everyone saying they don't expect us to make a big thing right but look it Batman versus Superman right in theaters. That movie was awful. But then you saw the director's cut on you know when it came out Zack. Snyder's director cut and it did have an extra like forty five minutes of footage in it but that changed the whole tone and mood of the film. It made it go from something that I did not enjoy to something that I I did. Enjoy let me ask you this real quick. Lord of the rings do you like the extended cuts or the regular cuts. Because personally I have gotten more involved in more. Invested in. The extended cuts yes. I truly liked enjoyed the originals. That's why really got into the movies. But the extended cuts to meet flesh it out and it was really done even an even made it a better experience for me. Oh I see I totally agree with Lord of the Rings. I like. Both cuts by was enamored. Both Times I saw that movie but with Lord of the rings it was something that I love so much and I had seen the original cuts so many times that watching the extent cuts was. It was enjoyable for me. Like Lord of the Rings is is I guess. Different from the DC. You in the fact that like it. It sucks you into this world like you live in middle earth for the what nine to ten hours at these films. Go on you know which I guess is not the same as as the DC UNIVERSE. Because you feel very disconnected fight with Lord of the Rings. I remember sitting there loving to kind of pick out everything that was not in the original movie. It was like the first time you saw the The re-cut Star Wars films right with the job of the hut and the in the hangar. And I know those aren't like really favored that much but I mean if you're so involved in a world that you can sit there and pick out all the parts added into it without like reading anything on the Internet then you know that you did a good job of creating a world that people truly enjoy. Will the Snyder cut accomplish that? Who who knows you know like I it? Justice League is kind of been frowned upon. I don't think anyone's watched it more than twice. So you know if it truly is a game changer. That is saying a lot. You know saying a lot that people go in there and say like Oh. That wasn't in the original film more like that really added layers to it like that is saying a lot about Zach Snyder as a filmmaker and granted. He doesn't have the best history. He's he's it's a you know. He has his limits but he also has done some pretty great things too. But the re-shoots right like I. I mean I don't know what you think but I've been reading things where they're saying that the actors have actually all said they would come back for re shoots off. Sure they will even even bad flick even even been like. They've talked to him about about it. And Jason Momoa said he'd be down Henry Cavill said he'd be down like this could be. This could be big. You know this Gal on her twitter and Instagram has said that. Yeah this could be something that truly revitalizes the DC. You and I know I might be getting over excited about this but I mean I feel like this is a good thing to get excited about. This is a good thing to get excited about. And yes my friend. I mean they could plan it out like a series. They could do the movie. It's here's the coming up with another brainstorm. My friend they could do the movies. The singer movies like wonder woman's and the commands and bring back the man of steel's and all that on the big screen and then it could culminate into another six episode series. Every once every two years we're not expecting two or three years have about two or three years instead of having the vendors type movies on the big screen as well culminate that with a Justice League type series six episode eight episodes. What have you on? Hbo Max to Make It even more special kind of like the reverse that marvel's doing integrating Disney plus and the big screen. I agree with that. That could be big. I don't see Warner Brothers. Have Gerald header brainstorm. I don't see Warner Brothers having the self restraint to do something like that you know. Especially since we've seen like how the these superhero properties than they're just cash cows. You know that that's how they've been treated so I don't know if they have the self restraint to not try to make a billion dollars off of a film. I would to see that and I mean I'd be down to see. Hbo adapt some of the smaller characters. And maybe have them immed- onscreen and all that stuff. But like I yes I would love to see Justice League series to answer your question but like I don't see Warner Brothers being restrained enough to do something like that if this goes well. That's something they should consider because if it strikes and it strikes well and twenty twenty one the Justice League series or extended movie. I personally think it should go to a series because that's all we're used to on streaming these as I mean it is so much more of a platform for a series even with the last dance with Michael Jordan stuff that you saw on. Espn four that as far as the last dance series. So you're talking about something that we're seeing the time now. A stranger things and so many other series Tiger King for instance on Netflix is a Docu series. That took place was over. The course of several episodes we're seeing mandal. Orient was such a huge huge success. And they're talking about now putting some of that onto the big screen. That would be great for me as far as either which way you and I both the best thing that would be coming out of this for both of us is an extension of the DC you and making it something of a universe once again. We're just something you and I are hoping for because and have always hoped for. Because simply that with Aquaman and wonder woman great hits funds stories liked them both enjoyed. Good time I know people got an you because you said you liked it. And he didn't love wonder woman but you still enjoyed it and the thing is what. I'm looking forward to wonder woman eighty four. I'm looking forward to command to. I'm looking forward to the flash and other movies like that on the big screen but to see it all play out into a combined story where all these great forces get to work together for a common goal to me is probably the best part about it. I mean that's what I enjoyed so much about. The Marvel Cinematic Universe is that was leading towards a common goal leading towards a common enemy. That they're all fighting together. Whether at stark side or not you know you can have your comparisons for and give Stan knows. If he's tougher. He's not tougher. I've heard that all the past week and that you know it is what it is but I'm just saying there's a common goal that they all work towards and they all get together. It has a these. These separate movies have a purpose other than just being there on the screen once again. Because right now aquaman wonder woman wonder woman eighty-four they're just they're they don't serve a purpose unless you're having common goal at the end for all of them two combine their forces together. Yeah let's be honest though like the making a superhero series. Like that is the way to go because you you get extended storytelling in do things. You couldn't do otherwise on the big screen you know your there's so many restraints putting something on the big screen but if you were to give these these superheroes shows like an HBO show or whatever it might be. It could bring them that much closer to being just like the comic books. Well we'll have to wait and see what happens but it is a thing. It is a reality and is something that's going to be coming to. Hbo Indie Year. Twenty twenty one so looking forward to it. I know Josh as well. And that is Justice League. The Snyder cut where it is true. Original VISION OF WHATEVER ZACH. Snyder had or has now for the Justice League. There is going to be some re-shoots there is going to be twenty. To thirty million dollars added onto it so people need to go ahead and be excited once again for the DC universe. Because THE SACK. Snyder cut lives and it's going to be something on. Hbo Max Coming Next Year. What are your thoughts out there on just asleep? The Snyder cut. Are you as excited as we are for justice leaks the Snyder cat and that is now a thing and reality. As it was rumored to be all along shares her thoughts pop culture cosmos at Yahoo Dot Com also pop culture cosmos humanity media game source on facebook twitter. Instagram as well. And please let us know also and the comets. If you'd love to see this evolved once again into an extended universe with an overarching story like they were trying to do. Not Too long ago coming up next. It's our good friend. Noah Ian find from Queen. He's going to be talking about their version of the last dance. And it's the last ride for the undertaker. He's going to talk about that. Docu series coming up right after the break and then after that Josh. Talk about our choices for the top movie characters that we have. Let's just say top-five Josh Top five. We talk about also spotify making its mark in the podcast world at declaring war on Apple. Podcasts and alternative radio did we're GONNA talk about that and more coming up on the back end of the show. This is the PCC multi-purpose for the latest news and Information Analysis and opinions on the Los Angeles Lakers and the NBA. Checkup the Lakers fast-break podcast today. On wherever you get your podcast all right. We're back with the program. It's Joe Glass. Come right back at you here. He's back again talking some. Wwe Is my good friend. You GotTa catch him today on Hanukkah outcasts. Go ahead and find out on facebook today. Hunt alkhast. It's a great place to be for a group talking all this stuff. That's going on in pop culture. We're going to talk a little bit about the undertaker. A bigger couple adventure. I saw him so it was not beats him live. Yes well nothing be alive indeed. He might not seem alive much longer in the wwe. But we'll talk about that here in the SEC. It's Ian Fine Noah. Just great to have you back on the show but one thing. They are watching whether it's on Fox when they show undertaker specials and not not but the undertaker. They're doing a series of documentaries. Because guess what everything has got to go ahead and be a DOCU series? Right now concerns the these grades of all time as we're seeing with the last dance with Michael Jordan. We're seeing the last ride with the undertaker who you know. Actually I want to ask you. This Noah didn't he have a couple years back or if you use back at Wrestlemainia put his boots in the ring as the which is supposed to be in professional wrestling. The sign that you're actually giving up and you're actually retiring. Didn't he put his boots and a ring back. There's a drinking game I think with Terry funk that every man I do because I'll reference. Kill Bill the number one killer right now is retirement and what would undertake east fifty five now. What could he really just could open up a school. He continued to train. What I salivated over these new documentaries now is that they started the work on because with key FEHB blob. What have you? That's great but what I appreciate about these documentaries now is that we're GONNA see this five part history with undertaker especially when he when against Roman reigns and he's talked about it now saying that he had issues with losing to wrong. I mean there was always talk about the streak. Nobody really paid attention to it. I think until Shawn michaels brought up at Brussels. Twenty five and twenty six losing the brock. I mean there's always been this talk. Who could beat undertaker for the street? A lot of people thought it would be seen a lot of people thought it'd be ordained a lot of people thought it was going to be Aj I mean who was worthy of breaking the streak at Wrestlemainia and it's been broken. A couple of times been broken by Brock and it was broken by Roman which people booed him out of the because they just don't like him for reasons and you know we'll never get a reason why but watching. This documentary was fascinating because he's becoming more like a Texas father than the undertaker and I can understand that this is going to have to be a five hour six hour. You know documentary. I think the part two was coming a couple of weeks but I really would like to see the story of when he first came in because he talked about that on on colts broken skulls podcast when he came into survivor series. Nineteen Ninety and I saw him live going against warrior. But I really WanNa hear about when he first when the bell in ninety one against Hogan and why he had depart with a few days later Tuesday in Texas because because there were talks about that here in he did a gimmick that lasted decades that nobody gets sick of the people complain that he went to biker taker at went back. The undertaker again. Thank God but this is GonNa be one of the more interesting documentaries but everything you wanted to because he is human after all and how he got away with still doing. The supernatural stuff has with pallbearer before sadly Paul passed away. How he worked with Kane and I do appreciate that. This documentary really shows that. He's put his body through a why he can't do what he used to walk on the type robot holding the guy's hands in jumping down. He can't do that anymore. But yeah every time now that he does arrests a media that entire year that he's not there he's in Rehab. Getting Ready for the next Wrestlemainia and I think that fans don't appreciate that because now they're kind of like. Whoa shouldn't he retired he doesn't want to. Because what else does he really GONNA do? I can't see doing commentary that that would be too awkward. I I can't see him sitting with coal were you know. Or whoever's the commentary now on on on the shows so what else can the man do? He's he's probably going to be like Vince. He's probably going to be seventy five years old and still wrestling but he is an icon. He is a legend is matches savvy. Because he's put his by through so much but God it'd be hours on end about probably his best matches worst matches. I can't wait to see what he says about giant Gonzalez King Kong Bundy. That that that that that's going to be. That's going to be also entertaining. None about how we had to do. Their feud from the late nineties. A past all it though man he has put his body through a Wad. And I'm talking. Even the buried alive goes don't ever discuss how it happened but there was an oxygen tank of course but I really want to hear everything that we can on this guy because they're not making superstars like this anymore. This decision is at a pure luck. And Vince didn't want him at the time. He wanted the other skyscraper. He wants to sit justice and we all know what happened with that. So I'm kind of curious now. What is last answer be because I think the other problem too is that that Roman reigns match now? People not only didn't want his last match. Wasn't that entertaining of match. I really the only thing I recall was him. Just pray the boots every and that was it. I think yeah I mean I can go on about his matches but I don't know what his last one's really going to. I don't know who else is. I mean he's Fond Bray wider wrestlemanias fond. John Cena couple times. I don't think he's Braun strowman but I don't know what kind of chemistry that's the other thing too is that it depends on what chemistry they're going to have on the ring and he's had a couple of bad matches because there wasn't chemistry with a lot of guys he didn't have chemistry with. Kamala if it's going back to L. A. And if it does happen to fruition next year and twenty twenty one finish his last match with the Rock. Just appreciate your time and thank you so much again. Any last thoughts on the wwe before we are now well. The last thing I'm GonNa say is that I don't think it's scientists the horse behind the Bar. Shoot. I WanNa make that crystal clear. I just think that was an audience with the POPs. I really think that they they have to really sit back and decide who's champion and wine. Who HAS CHEMISTRY WITH? Who in the ring? And if you ever chance if you've been watching those vice dark side of the rain shows the recently. They've had allegiant doom. Which is an interesting watch. And the season finale of one heart I do have it own heart story because I met him so but I'm going to save that story but uh other than that though. I know they're they're getting rid of the WWe to take games in doing something whether they're doing different game cartoony game called ww battleground you because of the extremely poor reception. Because I've been handed to a new studio for the last W. Two K and they did such a poor job on it. The reviews were awful in the his were everywhere. They're giving them a year off essentially to get their act together. So we're going to wait and see what the Debbie to. Kate comes out when it comes out to. Katie and twenty twenty one. So that's looks like it will happen but whether or not it'll be good or any better than Wwe to k twenty. We'll have to wait and see because that like I said the last one was just pretty pretty poorest at best but yes they're doing wbz battlegrounds right. Now that's going to be something that done. More cartoony similar to what they've done on their mobile works so I don't consider it a full game released but it's something I think that's GonNa like be a little band aid for those looking for their next rusting video game. Well we'll say but again Gerald thank you so much. Thanks so much my friend. For being part of the Pop Culture Cosmos get ready for Kitty origins of illusions. 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Bill has been a great part of our show as far as one of our biggest fans sends us letters as far stuff that he likes to hear about that. We talk about on the show so I cannot think bill enough for going head and sending US those emails to Pop Culture Cosmos at Yahoo Dot Com. One of the things that he taught about on a recent episode of ours was that we were talking about our favorite movie franchises but he wanted us to talk about a little bit more about some of the things that he was looking at. It comes to favorite movie characters. So that's something. He was talking about quite a bit and I can't thank them enough for sharing those thoughts with us. But I wanted to ask you real quick that brings to mind our favorite movie characters so if you had a top five you had a top five top five movie characters that you love seeing onscreen. Who are they who okay all right? This is GonNa be a tough one here did have to be in any particular order. Let's just keep him and not wanting to five anything that just just random order just to long and these are movie characters correct. Yes movie characters. Okay Okay here mine this first WanNa do oh so. I think they come as as one character. Because they're always attached to name Jay and silent Bob. I love that. They have endured the years. People still really enjoy anything. They're in like a the way. Kevin Smith did the Jane Silent Barberie boot and how even with such like a a very very small budget. It still people still supported that film so much and Kevin Smith has done so much for so many people and like those characters are truly lovable dirty in foul mouth as as As they can be okay. Another one I like is Riddick Vin. Diesel doesn't seem to live outside the fast and furious series but I do really like his character of Richard. B riddick. There's just there's something about I don't know there's something about his character that makes you like you can watch it in a way. That makes you feel like you know. He's he thinks he's going to. He's GonNa he thinks he's going to be able to jump off that cliff in land in the cockpit of a spaceship so I believe he's going to be able to do it so I I do like that character. I really love O'connor O'Connor is his name in the mummy burden Fraser. I really really liked that character. I like I like his character so much that I have followed him through all of them films including third one. Of course who doesn't Love Bill Paxton's character aliens you know that's one that always always sticks out to me and then the final character. This is tough. This is tough. Orlando Bloom in Kingdom of Heaven. There's something about having somebody who is looking for their place in the world looking searching for what life means searching for God if you will like there's something about that that is so relatable and really Scott it's such a great job of bringing that theological and philosophical search to life you embodied it in Orlando Bloom's character so well that it's hard not to watch that film and just feel the things that he is feeling. Those are my five. What are yours. That's a good list. So far my friend. A lot of those things emulate from some of your most favorite movies as well. I think right correct all right. Well I'll tell you what my list hopefully is somewhere near the quality of yours. I've got to start off with a fun one again. This is not number one number five. This is just You know some of the favorite movie characters right off the top of my head. I'm going to go with hard. Bruce Willis John Maclean always seems to get himself into a whole world of trouble but finds the most creative ways to get himself out of that trouble. And I'm still hoping I know he's in the sixties I get that I understand that but I'm still hoping that he's going to be given a chance to close out the series. I don't think it close out effectively. The last time around. I know there was something in development as far as die hard. I want to say six. I think we're up to die hard six. It was It was an origin film the origins of John Maclean. So I don't know Bruce Willis. It was going to be in that one but I know it was like talked about his younger self. So in other words essentially reboot yes or I. Guess you can call it a reboot. I don't know how many people will be happy about seeing. That part played by somebody else. I don't mind to reboot of some. I'd like to see one more with him. Close out personally. One more with him finality. Just go through one more time. I think he could still be up for it. I think he could still do it. You know we see Liam Neeson in his sixties still doing so you know. I think he could still do it and have a lot of fun doing it. I think. If it's done right I think it could be something that still could. Garner money at the box office. And then you have Harrison Ford which Harrison forty one. Do you want Indiana Jones? Do you want Hans Solo? Do you Rick Decker. D- I mean any of those iconic movies for me were essentially because he was such a charismatic hero. In those movies I guess of them. You could probably say Han Solo. That's probably my favorite character of his. Yeah well I mean Han. Solo and Indiana Jones. Were kind of the same character. I think Decker D- of all the ones you mentioned like decker was the one the most depth number three for me is James Bond 007. How more iconic of a figure can you get? It's just dependent on who James Bond d like the best. I mean this is another thing I could go with rob McCallum who if all goes well hopefully have scheduled here coming up on a future episode in the not too distant future is something that Robin I have gone back and forth on. He's an big mar of the James Bond series. Now I've seen all the movies that's wall some big admire of it. Also on your favorite James Bond. Either Sean Connery for me. It's Sean connery or Pierce. Brosnan has been very high up on my list. A big Pierce Brosnan fan ever since he started with Remington Steele series back in the eighties. So I I'm a big Fan of those guys and Daniel Craig. He's done a whale of job on the back end of his movies. I didn't think he got off to the great start but I think he's done well in the past two films especially sky fall which was such a big hit and the biggest James Bond movie of all time so I think his character would be somebody that I would like to stay. It's probably one of my favorite characters as well. Let's go with one. That's also very familiar with people onscreen for television. And let's go with spock and Kirk Kirk and spock have been very good about the TV and also a movie format in both the younger and older dynamics with William Shatner and Lynch the late Leonard Nimoy and then now you have Chris Pine and Zachary Quinto. I think both of those movies those those that relationship those series those series of movies. The best thing about them is the relationship between Zachary Quinto and Chris Pine and of course Leonard Nimoy and Bill Shatner. That's pretty much. What a Senator John Yes? They have all the adventures and all the things that nature but it's always sending ultimately around those two individuals. Spock Kirk when it comes to those movies. I think that's why beyond didn't do so as well because I think didn't spend a great deal of time with those two being on screen at the same time I think. That's why the movie faltered. In my opinion I think the first two movies of the rebooted were much bigger success because of the way those two interact with each other and anytime I see those two onscreen. I think it's a great deal for me whether or not we see a star trek movie again anytime in the not too distant future. I'm not sure they might rebooted again. Because Chris Pine and Zachary Quinto at some point in time. We're going to say you know what we don't want to do anymore. You know the Negotiations on Star Trek for his already fallen by the wayside once already. So we'll never know if we get it restarted Quentin Tarantino's movie that that also Star Trek. That also seems to his fizzled. So you know at this point. We're not sure where the Star Trek series is as far as the big screen now on the small screen. It seems to be flourishing because we have picard. You have star Trek discovery and you have a brand new series that was just announced for I think. Cbs All accesses wall. And that is a star trek series from the popular characters that were on Star Trek discovery in Spock Captain Pike and number one. Those individuals are going to be heading up their own series. Which is going to be in the timeline supposed to be a predecessor to what you see as far as the enterprise that everybody now knows either in the original series or in the movies the so that will be taking place coming up in the near future song that here. That is one. I'm I'm hopeful for that series. Because they seemed like very charismatic characters that I enjoyed watching in star trek discovery looking forward to that and last but not least is Lord of the Rings. But it's not fraud my friend. It's Sam Weiss samways Ganji Sam. Wise is probably my favorite character and the true the true hero of the Lord of the Rings. Sam like that character that every group of friends earth. He's the he's the friend that every group has that is the honest one and because of that he always pays for it because all the friends who are like backstabbers are always constantly talking crap about him and he's just kind of doing his own thing anytime he points out a fault for the everyone goes cheese. You know so and so's right about you that that's Sam wise right there. Well it's just you know he'd never got his total respect and everybody was think. Frodo like in the movie like Mortimore. The towers coming down. The rings was already thrown in there by total accident in both the book and the movie by the way it's total accident that the ring fell into mount. Do you both know this. I understand FRODO brought it there. Ninety nine point nine nine nine and then and then a nine percent of the way but Sam Wise Ganji. He was there every step of the way. His heart was pure through the entire process. He didn't go evil. Like Frodo did at the very end. And yet everybody's channing. Frodo FRODO frodo photo and crying fraud voter fraud. He thought he was dead. Where's the love for Sam? You know where. Where's the love for? Sam where's it man? Where is it you know? I'll I'll be honest like I can watch all the same stuff through the first movie but like I don't do well with awkward drama. That's why can't watch dinner but I fast forward a lot of the parts with Sam and Frodo in the two towers at some of the best. I know I know but I just. I can't do it because like I have encountered people just like smuggle like my anti you know through my entire life of having friends like I've coward people like that and I just I can't. It frustrates me because I can't had someone watching a movie behind a screen. I can't do anything about it. Yes it's that close relationship which I don't think you really have in the hobbit movies I think at this point people love the Lord of the rings movies. More will last longer in the world's opinion in the minds eye and all that because of the relationship and the big battles but the relationship of Sam wise and Frodo but Sam Weiss is also one of my favorite characters while so but yes. Those are some of our favorite movie character so many more to talk about. It what out there? If you have any thoughts on your favorite movie characters like our good friend bill who send us those nice letters and send those emails. Please go ahead and let us know your favorite movie characters that we'll go ahead and read them on the air. We're going next week to what I'll take some time to. Bill LIMITS THOUGHTS. If you go ahead and send yours as well and we'll we'll put it all together in a nice bunch and and see what everybody thinks so. If you get a chance please send us your thoughts. Pop Culture Cosmos at Yahoo Dot Com. Hey this chat goes toasters and you're listening to pop culture cosmos podcast. You need your video game vix. 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They've also reached out and purchased the ringer from Bill. Simmons and put a lot of their shows exclusive to that platform. Of course our show can be found on spotify and apple podcast for the time being. We're waiting for that check as well spotify. We're a little cheaper. But anyways this to me is a big maneuver by spotify. Taking one of the top ten podcasts on the planet and it has been for some time your thoughts on spotify getting the Joe Rogan experience and also staking its claim firmly firmly in its war in its current battle with apple podcasts. I was actually Kinda surprised to hear about that. Because Joe Rogan is somebody who's always been you know though he's talked to these big. Ceo's he's always been anti politics stuff like that but he's kind of like more and more lately he's been stepping into politics has been stepping into corporate. Talk exactly exactly. I have principles but my principles are valued at so many Zeros. I feel like that. No Man good to know Joe Rogan but this also comes with a a big question here is is that contract he signed is that going to dictate content. You know that's the beauty of podcasts. Anybody can make them and to you. You don't get censored unless your you know trying to talk about Things that facebook doesn't really like you talking about. You can't get censored right. So you know Joe Rogan signing on with spotify is a You know it it is cool but I mean I'm just curious like where that's going to lead and also you know the whole war between apple and And spotify here I feel like spotify is. Is You know they are better to people who are signed up with them than apple is right. 'cause like if you sell a song on itunes you don't make nearly as much money as somebody who sells a song on spotify like there's more spotify has more entrepreneurial spirit like you. Can you know you can go on to spotify and you can do make make money off of it whereas you know apple is so locked up in corporate stuff and like even their podcast APP. It's so far on people's phones like you don't even know it exists and that's funny because again a lot of people use podcast catchers bullhorn for all my apple podcasts that. I don't use apple podcast because I don't have an apple phone. They use bullhorn have been using it for a long time. And that's something that gets all the apple podcasts. And it's basically like so many other. Podcasts catchers that are out there they describe. Grab it from apple podcasts but when it comes to your overall numbers spotify is gaining fast on apple. I mean apple recently announced that they went over a a million different. Podcasts have been published on the apple podcast platform and then about two three weeks later. Spotify that they did the same thing and spotify has had a lest you know shorter timeframe a much shorter timeframe in doing that. Now part of the reasons because they bought anchor and they've been pushing anchor like crazing. Anchor is a free platform out there for anybody that wants to host their podcast. And we host our podcast. Pop Culture Cosmos the Lakers fast-break and inside sports fantasy football we host platforms on anchor with it very convenient for us and the fact that spotify owns them. Drive those numbers up as well so we have the situation where they're trying to go on the low end and and make it cheap and inexpensive for everybody to publish podcast. But they're also going on the high end and dishing out a lot of money a lot of serious money. Because it's not just the ringer and the Joe Rogan experience. That they're dishing out and paying out these checks for and they've been giving these checks other podcasts. Well they're not just the only ones. There's been quite a few more that are just becoming spotify exclusives. And if that's the case all these high profile podcasts will be migrating over there for exclusive platforms. Either spotify is going to run out of money or spotify is going to end up being the number one entity around the world in podcasting. I don't see that being promise. Especially since spotify works with more aggregate sites not aggregate size. But you know podcast collectors than than Apple. Will you know apple is trying to get? Everybody ought to their platform instead of going through other sites in that spotify is more willing to work with people and because of that thing spotify wound up being bigger. They're following a NETFLIX's bottle. It seems like throwing out the cash cash cash cash cash cash cash. That seems like they're throwing out. The cast like Netflix does for movies. And for yeah you know. I think that's true. That spotify has birth quite a few stars whereas I tunes. You don't really. There's not really a lot of incentive for exclusively on there but we'll have to wait and see what this leads to with the big acquisition of the Joe Rogan experience. Nfl leads to even more acquisitions. That are going to be made by SPOTIFY IN THEIR CURRENT BATTLE AGAINST APPLE. Podcasts to become the pre-eminent podcast outlet. And it looks more more with each passing day. That spotify is getting there. I mean he's got a ton of stuff that's already exclusive to the channel that a lot of people are interested in so that they may be coming sooner rather than later that we'll be calling spotify the number one brand for podcasts around the world. What are your thoughts out there on the ongoing battle with spotify and apple podcast? And what are your thoughts on the ringer? And now the Joe Rogan experience heading as an exclusive platform for spotify Sherzer thoughts pop culture cosmos at Yahoo Dot Com. I know if you're listening to this. Podcast you gotTa know about all these shows that are doing pop culture cosmos at Yahoo Dot Com. Well Wanna go ahead and thank knowingly in fine for stop a buying. The show. Can't thank him enough for telling us more about the last bride for the undertaker. The new docket series that's on the WW network but before we had an out my friend a little thing for US. Music lovers out there and that's something as far as also from a historical standpoint. A recent article that variety reported on K Rock Kiara based out of Los Angeles considered to be one of the most influential radio stations in music history. Because they've done so much for alternative music basically like I was saying earlier in the show that they were very responsible for heading the charge for the British new wave scene in the eighties that culminated with you to Durant durant the rhythmic so many different alternative groups that I got their start being played on stations k rock and then in the nineties groups that you are familiar with from the grunge rock scene they in the Seattle sound yes. A lot of them were played in Seattle. I but quickly caught on into a nationwide audience based off their play on K rock. Well what's happened? Recently is at K. Rock has had some issues with their longstanding morning. Show Kevin and bean where they've disbanded that and one of the members retired and the other day just recently let go but also swelled. They've had a format chains. They're tweaking it to a bit where they're adding more pop songs. That aren't considered alternative music into the mix which is caused some type of fervor with fans of the station or longtime listeners. People that have grown up with K rock. They're listening to announce like hey. This sounds like the local top forty station and a lot less of like the alternative radio station. That was cutting edge. That wants new so leads all under this question. My friend is alternative. Radio and alternative music dying a slow death. Yeah I think so I mean. And here's a big thing to no one really makes alternative music anymore like you listen to a lot of the bands that came up in the nineties incubates even like they're all switching to the electronic sound so alternative. There's not really a lot of alternative rock anymore. You still have bands. You know making things that are trying to cling to that decade. Though you know you have your corn and stain. Didn't you know those those new metal bands and then you have a pearl jam still hanging in there. Candlebox is still trying to do things like it did in the nineties which you don't have a lot of rock. I listened a couple months ago. I listened to the theory of a dead man. That was a band that K rockies to play all the time and there's no guitars in their music anymore. You know even go to ban like a you want to go to kind of a more Metal SCENE. You had bringing the horizon. There are band who became famous for Songs Shadow Moses and they went from that sound to a total electronic pop sound with their new album and their their their single that came out a couple of years ago. Called Medicine like people. Don't make alternative rock anymore and that might be what's going on behind the scenes the K rock one of the factors but I also know that the guy that they brought k rock. He's caused at least two other radio stations to close. You know why he got the job. I don't know but even like there's a lot of people who have said a lot of really poor things about him. He has let go so many people that have been with rock for years. I won't be surprised if he was part of the reason that being left Kevin have a lot of great things to say about he left. Let the whole Castle Shogo. So K Rock is not k rock anymore. They probably going to lose a lot of listeners. Because of this new format change you know. Even though they played the same Green Day my chemical romance all those songs over and over again like they had an audience Kevin being had an audience. There's not a lot of stations playing alternative rock. I think we won't be hearing it on the radio very much longer. It's something that's going to be maybe on the way out. And that's a shame because alternative radio over the past forty years has been a great part of our culture a great part of the way we go ahead and listening to music. Helps Broaden the horizons whether your hip hop rap soul classical country. Heavy metal doesn't matter. There's just that kind of blend for everybody and have that available on Internet. Radio is awesome. I mean then again like I said for over the air stations playing alternative music. The days could very well be numbered. Yeah I agree in that. That's really sad. You know there was a day when you think about movies like empire records or like the days when radio. I are playing punk rock. And everyone's getting mad you know. Pirate radio stations that used to float out based because you know the big companies wouldn't play. Ag Music that is totally gone. The radio stations now that used to represent that have all become corporate mainstays. They're all they care about is making money and that's so that's not what music is about and because of that kind of attitude is not casting a good light on that industry in general you know and this is why companies like spotify are going to be hugely. They're going to be big because they are allowing people who can't make it onto the radio people with great great material great voices great music. They're allowing them a platform to rise on and radio stations. Just don't do that anymore. Because all they care about is making money. And that's that's the case all comes down to it. They're they're making money. But if we get a contract from iheartradio one of these magical days or a contract from spotify knocking on the door. Oh wait that's might be them right now. I'm just going to say this. My friend for for small entities like us. Some things like that are too hard. Pass up yeah I agree. And that's why -opays examine that fine line between you know making money and selling your soul. And you know that's I guess what we're asking about Joe Rogan. But you know even if someone were to say. Hey we'll by the pop culture COSMO's for a million dollars but you have to make the content that we want you to make. I don't know how well that would sit with me in terms of like wanting to devote more more years into the process. What about hundred million? I mean then I might be for sale but you know I. I need to have at least nine zero. You know what I'm fair enough fair enough. Well what are your thoughts about? They're on a turn of Radio. And Alternative Radio Music. It's dying thing at least over the year that is so. Do you still want to hear it on your am and FM stations? Sherzer thoughts pop culture Cosmos Yahoo Dot Com Josh new. You'RE GONNA be off the next couple episodes. You're going to be working on some things behind the scenes to you. My friend wire doing so. Stay safe when you get back. Please remind me I wanna go ahead and talk a little bit about some of the things. That are seeing a big bonus. Big Bump like Internet radio sports car trading arcade one up gaming as a whole and many other things that are becoming more popular in the age of Corona virus. As people are staying home a lot more often. I want to hear thoughts on that. So when you get back I wanted to do a little bit of studying up and seeing the things that people are doing that are working. That are being successful instead of just always the darker side of what's going on and there's some real troubling things are going on but hopefully you and I can talk about some of the good things that people are taking advantage of at this. Time as well yeah. Of course it'd be more than happy to we'll safe travels to you my friend. All the best of health continued health and thanks so much to everyone out there for watching. Thanks so much everybody out. There for listening continued health and happiness to you in this time of pandemic and all that. Please stay safe. Please stay healthy and we wish you all the best right here from the pop culture cosmos. So for Josh Peterson. This is Joe Classroom. It's another Beautiful Day in Paradise. Right here in the P. C. C. Multi-diverse. 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