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2 important character traits I'm trying to develop.

The Troy Farkas Show

19:32 min | 2 weeks ago

2 important character traits I'm trying to develop.

"Good morning everyone. Welcome into another episode of the trey. Parker show podcast. That it's not about me about all of us. The twenty s are crucial. Time in our lives on this show. We navigate the highs and lows for early adulthood together. Happy july fourth. Weekend talking to you here on monday. Yesterday was july fourth day. That we celebrate america's birthday july fourth. Seventeen seventy six as a history buff. This is always a special time of year for me to look back on the crazy journey of the founding of this country. Which if you are from the northeast. Like i'm like most listeners are. This is kind of the birthplace of where it all is d battle of saratoga turning point in the american revolution when became like oh crap the americans can actually be the big bad british and take this thing home and eventually form a new country. Which of course had its had many issues along the way and stops and starts but two hundred and forty five years later. We're doing it. We're here america still alive thriving. A lot of you might not think we're thriving but in the grand scheme of things. I'm always talking about putting things into perspective. America's still the greatest country in the world. Yes we have our flaws be absolutely. Have our problems things that we need to work on things that we need to reckon with and cope with and learn from. But there's so many worst places that you could be in the world right now so just a great day every year to remind ourselves how lucky we are to live in this country because it is truly an honor that a lot of us take for granted growing up in this country where we have so many freedoms and liberties that other people just do not have. I mean i wouldn't be able to have a podcast. In many other countries. I can freely speak my mind on this thing. Now that i'm out here saying anything. Controversial that i care about anything enough to speak controversial about it but if i were so inclined to i can necessarily do that in other parts of the world so super grateful here today that i can talk to you all here on trae farkash show so. I hope you guys all had a great july fourth. I certainly had a solid little weekends. Nothing crazy but On sunday on july fourth did the firecracker four a four mile race in downtown saratoga. Which is a tradition. That i've been doing on austin's twenty thirteen. I've done it five or six times at this point. And i think this was the best time that i rented and this is very impressive for me. Because i've done this race at different times like when. I was an actually an athlete a when i was playing basketball and so i got a time that per mile was about six fifty a mile which is something that i was super pumped out was train enough. I didn't really train that much of this like i. I'm not a runner. I don't really enjoy running. I get the h to run every other week. So maybe over. The past month just started running once a week and again always like two three miles. Nothing crazy because i just don't like running and so my approach exercises just do what you like to do and vary it up. That works for me. Might not work for you guys but for me in order to keep exercising. I have varied up as much as possible. So i don't run. I don't do long distance running because together long distance running you have to do it over and over and over again so four miles those kind of like a perfect distance for me to do a race because at that point i can just kinda go all out so by the end of the thing. I'm really really tired. Because i like to finish hard. And so i- sprints across the finish line finished one hundred and fifty fourth place out of i think just over two thousand registered runners at that was really really exciting. I was really really proud of that. And hopefully i can do even better next year for when i make it back and so that was why did yesterday and then fireworks and parades and all that good stuff thrown back a couple of willie super bruce might new. Go to hard seltzer. Saturday walked around downtown. Togo Got coffee with the with the hankins. That was so much fun. I love just learning from older people and learning about regrets that they might have so that i don't Make mistakes in my future. I like learning from older people for as much as criticize older people on this show about how sometimes it can be out of touch and stuck in their ways they are also just full of great wisdom and experience that i cannot replicate so i do love just learning from people who are older than me who have been through it. Although it may have been in different times different eras of the world. I do take much pride in talking and learning from older people because they ultimately do no more than i do so that was really good and something that i would stress all of you to do to read to learn to listen to watch older people because they have been through it. They do have great years of experience and wisdom to Give you so that is that Hope you all had a great july fourth weekend again that you were able to be with loved ones and have good barbecue and Had some good drinks and be outside and beyond the water. A lot of you have boats so you guys out there living your best lives out on the water absolutely loved that for you keep it up. Hope you're happy There's there's a new post couple of days old over on the trade parker show dot com. I'm not going to read it to you. But it is titled to traits that. I'm working on basie to character traits. That i want to embody that i'm working on. It's over on the website again. Detroit furniture com. I will not read. It's you but i do want to talk about it. And these two traits that i that i am working on so i am very grateful that there are a lot of just inherent character traits human being qualities that i have that have been given to me. The i have not had to work for that. I inherited whether it's from my parents. Teachers coaches friends. Girlfriends whatever it is. A lot of who i am is other people. We are a mixture of the. What is it six or seven people closest to us in our lives. And so i what i am right. Now is a mixture of mom. Dad my brother my to high school basketball coaches my mail. Social studies teacher and middle schools. That was very influential on my life. I am Different people that i've worked with. I m people that i have met with. I am people that i have dated. I m my best friends. I am my best friend's parents there. So many people in my life that make up who i am. Conversely there are so many people in your life who makeup who you are so we are bits and pieces of all the people that we learn from an associate ourselves with and that is why i talk so frequently about making sure that you surround yourself with the right types of people because those types of people that ultimately make us who we are so it is so paramount to surround yourself with people that you want to emulate that inspire you that motivate you that make you a better person that make you laugh at that make you think they make you cry. That's why i talk about it so much and so i am very mindful of all these different character traits. I have inherited from other people whether that curiosity whether that is a love for nature whether that gratitude Work ethic. That is certainly something that has been inculcated into me from various people throughout my life a love for learning for reading for writing for for coffee for healthy eating and exercise. All of these things have been passed down to me. I didn't necessarily inherently develop myself but there are two specific traits. That i do not have that. No one has really passed down to me. I have not gained from anyone around me. The two traits being patients and accountability. I wanna start with the first one and this is something that i think is really devoid among all of us among me among all of us the young people especially today and even the generation kind of below me. I don't even know what generation. I'm in these days in my millennial and my gen z gen-x. I don't even know. But i know that my generation and the one that is just coming up after us. We are super entitled like that is what we are known for. And every generation that is older than us always criticizes the younger generation. Say and they say oh like. They're not as good at at us as this. Each each generation kind of always criticizes the ones before and after because he generation always things. They've got to figure out there living the right way. Obviously this is not true. Each one has its own. Strengths and weaknesses in our weakness is that we're super entitled. We have been brought up in this era of the online world. Were maybe me. And you grew up buying things on ebay and then amazon amazon runs our lives and grubhub and stub hub and all these things any good products service that we want we can get it. Delivered to our doorstep overnight. We can get it to our phones immediately. We can get it on an app. Whatever it is that we want. If it's a food a a clothing item a service. We can get it done. Snap of fingers the touch of a button. Just a quick phone call. Whatever it is we can make it happen because of that. We are super impatient. When we get into the workforce. And i know specifically in my industry I've worked with someone in the past. Who was like okay. I'm here. I just got out of college and i've been here for a year. Why am i not on area and in reality. That's not how it works unless you are an other worldly talented person that is a. Can't miss lebron james type style prospect. You know this person's going to be the greatest to ever do it type of prospect in a profession. You don't have that on air immediately. That is something that you work up to. For years through reps through connections through just reps reps reps and grinding and late nights and weekends and early mornings and all that good stuff. Nothing has handed to you very rarely. Are things handed to you unless you've got a lot of money. Status connections very rarely. Things are handed to you. And so right now. We all think that we are deserving of everything that we that whatever we want we can get it now. We can get it instantly. That's not how it works in reality that is not how it works and so we already super impatient generation and i am undoubtedly a victim of this Maybe not as much in terms of like a physical possession or or whatever it is. I certainly struggle with. I want things to happen for me quickly like when i was considering leaving. Espn last november december. It was taking a while to find a job at a company. And so maybe two or three months i i was trying and trying and trying and trying and i wasn't getting anything. Is that a product of okay. The holiday season is the product of the media. industry was hurt really badly by the pandemic. All of those are very possible. I don't know the truth. Maybe i just wasn't good enough candidate. And that was hard for me to come to grips with. And so i just basically said you know what screw this. I'm done trying to find a job at a big company. Like detroit medved tells you to. I'm going to go do my own thing. I'm gonna be my own boss myself. Whatever it is advocate for myself rather than wait for someone to tell me what my future is. I go out and find it myself. So i was impatient but you know teach their own right so this is something that that i'm trying to to work on. There's things that i'm working toward right now in my professional life my personal life that i want to make happen so announced kind of playing a timing game. Should i try to strike now. Because i could fail. It's likely that i do fail. If i do stripe. Now that i might not get what i want then i caught myself in the long run. It's better in most cases. It's better to wait to be patient to tell yourself. I don't need this right now. i'm good. I'm good with ron. Matt i'm good financially. I'm good workload wise. Whatever it is. I don't need this right now. It will come when i am ready for. It will find me when i ready for it so i am every day needing to stress to myself that i must be patient that everything does not happen overnight. That good things happen to those who wait rights and use the old cliche patience is a virtue as degrade chinese stinker confucius once says so. It is something that. I am actively working at every day because it goes against everything that you and i are being taught right now because we are being taught that everything can happen for us. Overnight instantly tock videos now you make took video your. I took doug video with no experience. No anything it can go viral. We live in this viral nature where we can become big overnight and it is very counterintuitive now among our generation to wait for things and so i am trying every day to impress upon myself and people around me like just be patient. It will work out when it's supposed to so. That's the first thing that i'm working on. The second. one is accountability which is also something that runs counter intuitive to what we have just always been taught. I mean and i said this in the article. Remember when you're in second grade and your spatting with your classmate aunt's like oh. He hit me. Oh she bit me. Oh she started i oh he threw the food. I even though in our adult lives in our early adulthood lives. Were not stooping to that level. Of course we still do very much point the finger at other people before we look inward and do it ourselves. I mean when. I first got the spn. I had a mentor. Someone who's high up at the company who said to me something to the effect of everyone likes to point fingers at other people but they never turned the the pointer finger back their essentially. No one ever wants to take the blame themselves. And it's it's absolutely true. And i certainly saw that. 'cause i mean in my job in the media especially like when you're on air and something goes wrong on air. There is usually a direct thing to point at so in miss tien. Something someone didn't press a button. Someone was asleep at the wheel. Something wrong happened and you can immediately tell who did it. And then everyone gangs up on that person and then the person who was at fault may say oh yeah like yeah i messed up but it was because this person did this wrong and then this person did this wrong or this person. Didn't tell me i was supposed to do this in this moment. So which is cost and cycle of. Just blame game and of not owning up to your mistakes. The truth matter is as i realized again. This is another thing that you have to just actively work at because it is our natural tendency to defend ourselves against criticism and to defend our honor and to Talk back when people get in our faces about that we make because we never want to believe that we could have possibly done something wrong right so this is something that i have to actively work against and i have found that when i have taken accountability when i was in this situation and did say you know what i messed up when i messed up on a radio show on a podcast. Whatever it is and have said i messed up and then i try to go fix it. The people who i've screwed over it because of my mistakes ultimately come back to you with respect and say you know what thank you for owning up to it. Learn from this will get past it and moved from there. If you own up to your mistakes and be accountable. The people that you wrong in the process will respect you more for it than if you don't then if you point fingers and cast blame so this is something that i am really trying to work at. Because now in the self-employed world that i'm living in. I can't really point my fingers at anyone else. There's not a person to my left and person to my right in a person over email that i can blame because it is all on me. This is this little self employed business that i'm running. Thursday may mistake on one of the podcast on producing or one of the videos that i'm producing for these people it's on me. It is ultimately on me one thousand percent in his on me so i need to look inward. Hopefully i mean obviously first of all. Let me say this. Don't try to make mistakes. I don't try to make mistakes and very meticulous. In what i do so that i don't make mistakes because no one wants to make them put in the situation where you have to take accountability for it. So let me first say that. But if when i do make a mistake i have to take accountability for it and say my bad. It won't happen again and learn from it and learn from it and learn from it. I remember doing a podcast. A couple of months ago where i said embrace mistakes and learn from them and i. I don't believe in trying to make mistakes. Of course that's dumb. No one wants to do that. But when you do make mistakes or an incredible learning opportunity for you to do better and be better so that is something that i urge. All of you to do. Going forward is to be accountable when you do make mistakes. Learn from them and don't make them happen again because if you make the same mistake twice it shows that you have not learned from them. Which means that. You've not only wasted the opportunity to learn it but you have now made that same mistake again so that is just kind of my Input on all of that. Those are two traits. That i'm trying to work on if you want to read it in written form over on the trademark show dot com. You can also find the full archive of podcasts of blogs Youtube videos. All the social media information is over there. It's a really fun. Site that that i enjoy bringing to you also if you want to like make it your homepage. Hundred phone ever. That'd be cool. I've got a fun conversation coming up later this week with an old friend recording tonight so that should go over. Well keeping my fingers crossed that it happens. You never know these things but hopefully it happens. We'll have that to you guys later this week. A second episode. Follow the show wherever your podcast. I'm sorry there may have been some issues over the last couple of months. apple podcasts. I found out has been having some issues because they re did their eappen. So it created some issues for some podcasters whether episodes weren't available in apple On my phone personally. I didn't have that issue but maybe some of you guys did so. I am apologizing for that base. Say that that bogus fixed now. But regardless i would strongly urge you all to just go listen to spotify spotify. Just a better product honestly. I think it's more navigable. I think it's better looking. And i think it has way fewer options. So if you want listen to podcasts. Like i'll lean way more into the spotify side of things. Because i i really really trust them apple. Not sure as much but that just super inside podcast stuff for me. That's enough for me. I hope you all have a great week that you get outside that you got a good little rest on this holiday weekend that you get back at it that you are nice that you don't make mistakes that you'd be patient for whatever it is that you want to spend some time alone. Ask yourself what it is that you want how you can get there. And what character traits. You need to embody in order to get there. That's my advice. I'll talk to you again later this week have.

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I'm jelous about holidays because I am alone

The big d zone

13:32 min | Last month

I'm jelous about holidays because I am alone

"Doc holliday give me jail. God i'm all alone. Everybody slip family. That i'm seeing on phone. It's also show media smile face Lehrer i miss thin mainali and i known as she k- father christmas or Slow i'm missing her. I miss her. What the fall along hala day. Auntie alison to get all A plea for me. There may be a normal man with the family away. That loaned me for being me. Not because i'm pony I want to be happier again. And i don't wanna be all i want to be is July fourth day or hala day lists only altogether. But i am said time alone. Tama law You i miss you. And i wish you love and i miss you and i wish you a long Okay so this is dj and well still happy father's day everybody else but far from me got another one at all hard holidays right. After june team i june eighteenth was fooling because of the fat that were under this heat late. That keeps knocking me out multiple time. No worry no saints team kind of the hours without Kind of debate out of hotel where people still got to see some strange kinda hotel long but a kennel. The train are strange strain. But anyway anyway that i said on my facebook page and it's true jesus with my father and my father passed when i was young so i never got to my father and i knew i had a biological father meaning on my birth certificate but i knew i had a biological father but i was young and you know maybe the possibility that i saw him i was young. I was able to remember. So i kind of thought i have a father but he died when i was young and it was just a a mother until i moved down. my mother and my sister moved out so father's day had been always been tough for me just like christmas. Tough for me without my wife. All i could take the declaration thin santa claus and i could take a. I'm eddie saying the head of the year like the last segment. I the ahead of the year every year every year. I don't know if i'm going to get a new first ministry. But i had it ever since but nonetheless in the second powerful forever ever ever ever ever ever anyway. Oh my god he when he not me out. Because it's an diety had been like my alarm and says hey path out limit a fire drill. We went to podcast movement. You will almost total class. You want to go to a party so bad and you can go because you pass doubt because who pulled out the fire firearm. At a hotel remembered add you had to take a palace know letterman to run nowhere to run his day. Just high is change without here. They say he divided dangerous dangerous. They lied to you remember. It was both dan on saturday but the no. It was both dan on friday but dan extending it. Sunday south this whole holiday. We can have the ruined ruined heat ruined. I mean unbelievable. So you thought. I've been trapped by the pandemic now. I've been trapped by the heat. I even go to store if i wanted to know. Oh and i forgot. When was that. I'm todd and i was getting food from donald macdonald. And i had to wait for my little ride or will the uber wanted to and i had to wait a while because i was standing there with no ways for the down because the They won't let you sit down. And so i almost got in pain and so what happened was i nearly fainted. Laid for my up. I'm a famous latest lie to go back to the second tower after i got my food. That's why i've been food delivery almost every time. Yeah popping it you know. I mean an absolute positively Though the pandemic of the tramp and the heat wave a tramp god. I mean there's a lot of things that could happen between now and when i leave for podcast On august second and then to vegas after par calf moment to today at the podcast. Well the date that. I have as eight except for one one. Little media resort fee. And then i don't have to pay dorsey in the nine. I had to move rooms but earn regardless forever. I mean i'm still getting the free that lead from the night to thirteen. And i got the. I got the flight bad. Because i had to cancel. Because i couldn't get the flight pham dea the a because they wanted more money they want. I mean tar chafee but they wanted more money for the different. That i couldn't do that might have to go on allegiant or frontier but i liked how flip because you get to pick your seats you know. I mean you get to pick your seats on the airplane. So that's why. I'd like southwest airlines. You'll play scienc- and you might be nice to screaming baby or whatever like that and and masked up and all oh my god i mean you have no taste on that. Yeah no safe on that. That's why i tried to get. I'm hoping and praying that by the time. I'm hoping that late till july delighted tend to get my airline ticket to vegas. But i still had to pay for the hotel to extend after the six pocket move over and then i could fly out on aid. I mean it's ridiculous. But if i have to if i must go to another airline. I'll be disappointed. But i'll go. I i do have the trip. Back to saint louis on southbound. Thank god but other than that. They'll be disappointed if i If i can't Go to vegas on. Southwest to my favorite airline auto. That contest sucks my god. That wanna get away contest. We have to get to if you got point. All i got stuff. Dr ray ari. Dari every day. Every day that i played with found out about that contest. I'm still self-dealing dead still salty when anyway. It's been terrible duke. First juneteenth than in a terrible father. Hopefully next year june Juneteenth will be better. I want to celebrate it. I want to celebrate it. Come on now. The holiday that's not affected by definite family. Do not the only holiday that has not been tainted by definite family father's day christmas day july fourth all holiday that will affect it by definite family. I can't even listen to christmas music anymore. I mean come on. And it's not the fact that i'm not positive but i have a mental a illinois on. It's not my fault and don't ever call it excuses you've been there. I hate when people saying that. Every time i tied to save something. It's an excuse. Oh but that's an excuse. That's an excuse. Well you haven't been through it. You have been through a definite family. You haven't been to a deficit spouse or the pet okay so you might be able to have the right to say. It's an excuse. But i'm going to. I'm suffering. I've been suffering for fifty. Did antonio my best friend in the middle of of evil demi okay and then i had to scramble to get to the funeral and then when i came back i did. Okay don't tell me and up. Because i'm not. I'm not positive. I am on both being comedian. Damn it is supposed to be a comedian. Don't tell me. I'm not positive. Okay i as opposed to be a comedian especially at the At today to the decorative was cracking up laughing. When i was trying to pitch me and my wife story i can delivering it or something like that. But i'm going through something. Okay and these from the holidays was reminded me. It keeps reminding me that i'm by myself. Does these holidays to keep reminding me that. I'm by myself that for the holidays. Keep doing thankfully do fifteen jill teen if the only holiday and not tainted other than by by crazy hot hotlanta but otherwise. It's the only holiday that not tainted by definitely not a damn excuse. I thank you very much.

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EPISODE 11 WEB RADIO TODAY

WEB RADIO TODAY

24:53 min | 1 year ago

EPISODE 11 WEB RADIO TODAY

"Hey everybody unskillful. And Welcome to episode eleven. The July temp podcast episode of Web Radio Today. We are deep and a summer twenty twenty. I'm just back from spending ten pretty Nice Days in Fort Lauderdale Florida. My summer vacation most of my I well most of my album, the sun time was spent running along the beach, not actually on the beach, and then relaxing at the pool loss, some very nice restaurant dining plans while my wife and yes I did use the web radio today vacation Diet plan to stay on my died, and and keep on track with fitness goals, the Cova De. Shutdowns closed the beaches for the the bulk of the July fourth weekend and in Fort Lauderdale. And that. was some heavy rain on the night of July. Fourth pretty much. Put a damper on the fireworks displays. But overall considering what we've been through this year I'm rating it a perfect summer vacation. And I hope that your July fourth day weekend was awesome to everybody and I am so glad to be back talking with you all on web. Today especially since on this episode, we're GONNA be talking about heart rate training as we dig a little deeper into the. Size element of the web radio today, disease, fighting and fitness model. This episode should finish a little closer to the twenty minute mark today rather than go all the way to thirty minutes or more sense. Since my return from vacation has left me a little short a time this week I. Don't know why it is, but I get into a little bit of a nesting mode when I come back from a long vacation so off scheduled to perhaps too many home projects for this week. Even it twenty minutes or so this will be a pretty full podcast today. Talking about heart training I spent some time last week. Just watching the ocean. And while I was doing that I was thinking real hard about the miracle of creation. Genesis one chapter nine says and God said let the waters under the heaven be gathered into one place and let the dry land appear. And it was so. God created the oceans, and if you start to think about it in too much detail. It'll overwhelm you all of them intricacies and planning of creation. Genesis one chapter twenty one s so God created the great creatures of the sea, and every thing with which the water teams, and that moves about in it, according to their kinds and every winged bird, according to its kind. Just think about all of that detail. Yes, God is the Creator the ruler of the universe, the supreme being. It all just shows you how amazing God is! The planning the engineering the architecture that went into creating this world that we live in our relationship to it. If. You think about that. Really think about it, but then you know that God exists. That always has existed the uniqueness of of just one human cell. Just. Happiness has the result of a Big Bang God planned and created it all for us and everybody. That's what put a smile on my face. Looking out there. At Beautiful Ocean last week and thanking God for. Quick Reminder of what we're all out on web radio today were strengthening our faith and our fitness, as those of us in our sixties and seventies, and beyond as we do all. We can her to get closer to God, and also to keep our bodies in shape. And and free of diseases that tend to strike folks in our age group, and as our regular listeners know, this wouldn't be a web radio today podcast episode without a mini workout, so let's take the next couple of minutes and do that right now, and then after this many workout. I WANNA share some information a found last week about. Just how much cancer loves sugar I? Mean really love sugar. Sort of a match made in Hell. Let's get this many workout started. This is where Anna every web today episode we spend a couple of minutes getting our heart rates up and burning a few calories. This many workout! Today's especially dedicated to some of our listeners down on the by you and southeastern Louisiana. As we work out to some ZYDECO, music. You can get up everybody start moving in any way that you can dance. Jump up and down run faster. Walk Faster. Do some steps sway to the music? Do whatever you can do right now to get parts of your body moving. If you can't get up right now. Move while you're sitting down anything to get those heart rates off and let this side. A CO accordion gets your blood pumping. This is a web radio today many workouts. Good job, everybody. Bring your pace down the movements down to a cool down page. This many workout is over, but you. You need to go slow and cool down for a few minutes to keep moving at a much slower pace. While you're pulling down. I wanted to let you know about an article that I read. Why was on vacation? It was sent to me from the Prostate Cancer Foundation. They are at PFC Dot Org on the Internet. The article and I'll link to it in the show notes for this episode. Show notes by the way and or transcripts. For All of our web radio today podcast episodes. They're available at web radio. Today Dot com you just have to click on the podcast and show notes link in this article. They talk about research that has shown that cancer just loves sugar, and if you eat a lot of sugar, everybody, you're absolutely making those cancer cells happy. You're helping them to grow in your body and we don't want that. Not all cancer cells are are sugar loving cancers. But it may be involved in as many as eighty percent of cancers including breast cancer prostate cancer. Bladder, cancer and certain brain. Certainly cancers love of sugar. A love affair born in house if you haven't done so already. Please limit the amount of sugar. You eat eliminating or lowering your shoulder antique. It's just so important in fighting disease. As our listeners know the web radio today, disease, fighting and fitness model has seven elements, faith, exercise, diet, attitude, positive, imagery, music, and knowledge. We're talking today about the exercise element, which has two parts, heart, rate, training, and strength training now today and next week I want to spend some time talking about heart rate training. What we mean by heart rate training is doing movements moving your body to increase your heart rate. An example of that is what we do when when we do our web radio today many workouts. To make heart rate training really effective. You need to know. Your maximum heart rate. Now the HR. Or maximum heart rate is calculated by taking the number to twenty and then subtracting your age as an example. If if you're seventy years old, you take that to twenty, you subtract seventy and you have a maximum heart rate of one hundred fifty beats per minute knowing your maximum heart rate is important because knowing your maximum heart rate enables you to exercise in the correct heart rate zones. So that you get the most bang for your buck when you're doing heart, rate, training or aerobic training. And everybody you should be doing heart rate training for a minimum of thirty minutes a day for a minimum of five days a week. To make sure that you get the most value from the time you spend doing your heart rate's raining. It's so important that you know your maximum heart rate, and then Nova the different. Rate, training zones and wind exercise, and how much to exercise in each of those trainings zones sounds complicated, but it really isn't. And I promise next week on Web Radio Today I'll show you how simple it can be to do. Heart rate training and don't worry. You're not going to have to have a heart monitor on or anything like that. We'll show you some very easy ways that you can ensure that you're exercising the proper amount of time and each one of those heart rate training zones and. We will talk about some of the best exercises to do for heart rate training and I'll help you structure a workout for getting the most out of that thirty minutes each day, but here's a homework assignment. I want you to calculate your maximum heart rate. You can use the formula. I suggested to twenty minus your age, or there are just a ton of maximum heart rate calculators on the web where you can just put in your numbers, and it'll spit out your maximum, heart rate, and linked to a couple of those in the show notes at Web Radio Today. Come once you have your maximum heart rate. We can then talk about the different heart rate training zones, and then we'll use those zones to structure a heart rate training plan designed just for you when you punch that play button next week. Make sure you know your maximum heart rate, and we'll take it from there on Web Radio Today episode twelve. That'll be out on Friday July seventeenth. And then after this featured song. I WanNa talk to you about how all these troubles in the world right now I'm going to give you a little secret. I'm going to tell you how everything is going to end. But just for you today, and you might want to move a little bit of this tune. Web Radio, today has listeners in London in the UK and so this next song is just for you because. Song is singing about something that you all experienced maybe a little more than you want to. We the living and they're singing about the London rain. It's fire. How the smile in here Slowly Fe. Last days in July. The is drowning. Lie The calendar rose. Said away again. These your back against the way. Blows your. Mama That you can. His? We. Pages. THE DIARY ZERO! is still fills. ME. As John. Wayne? Off. Your. View. Years. We, the Living London Rain, the web radio today featured Song for episode eleven. Remember, everybody. You have a homework assignment. Right determine your maximum heart rate a next week. We'll use your maximum heart rate to build a heart training workout designed just for you. I know that we have some listeners out there. Who? Will. They're going through some difficult times right now. Contrary. It's going through some difficult times with this covert, and then all this division and unrest. Lot Of folks talk about a lot of things not too many listening. It makes you wonder, doesn't it? How's it all going to air? Director when I started web radio today. It's to help you. Strengthen your faith, your health and your physical fitness. Sometimes it's just hard. To keep that focus with all the things going on around us. I urge you to pray for our country. I. Pray that people can can start talking with each other. Listening to each other. And Find Solutions for the problems that we faces a confidence. Don't. It's hard to see beyond all this turmoil. How's it all going to end? Now more than ever. As a country as individuals. We need Jesus. I'm urging you that if you haven't done so already. Let him put his arms, round you and and walk with him. Talk with him about your troubles. Ask Him for help. Because he will help you. He'll give you comfort. He'll give you peace. He'll help you solve your problems. Psalm Fifty fifteen cents. And call on me in the day of trouble. I will deliver you and you shall glorify me. Matthew seven seven. Ask and it will be given to you. Seek and you will find. And off the sport. Knock and it will be open to you. Jesus, he's waiting for you. It doesn't care about your history. Bad things that you might have done in the past. Your sins all of. All of that. Going to be wiped away. Clean as the morning snow. You will be born again. And, so you're wondering. How's it all going to end? John Three Sixteen has the answer. How will it all in? For. God So loved the world that he gave his only son. That whoever believes in him. Will Not Perish. But have ever lasting. You in Heaven with Jesus tells all going to end. There are gave away the ending. Romans Eight, twenty eight. And we know that for those who love go on. All things work together for good. except, for gift everybody. Leave and be saved. Walk with Jesus through these troubled times. It's all in God's hands. You really you don't have the luxury of time to think about it. You don't have time to get your act together. You don't even need to get your act together. Jesus is going to give except you, and then then you can work with him to get your act together because it's a certainty. We don't know anything about tomorrow. We may not even have tomorrow. So won't you answer Jesus invitation now? He's been waiting for. Don't make them wait long. Let, him, to his gift today. If you enjoy the web radio today. PODCAST I hope that you'll tell your friends about us. New Web radio today. Episodes released on Friday and the cool thing about the web radio today. PODCAST is that you can listen to it whenever you want. You just have to push that play button. We have listeners now all over the world joining us every week with the same goals as you strengthening their faith, fighting disease and getting fit and healthy and stay in that way. Every one of the previous episodes of of Web radio today are still available, and I would well. I've encouraged nude listeners to. Especially listened episodes one two and three, because they explain why web radio today was created and what it's all about. It's easy to find us were on every major podcast platform as well as at web radio today DOT COM. Shono sand or transcripts for each episode or are also located at radio today Dot Com. And I'm looking forward to talking with you again next Friday. July seventeen. And for the Web Radio Today podcast EIMSKIP. Orem by everybody.

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616: Opportunity and the Immigrant Edge

The Dentalpreneur Podcast with Dr. Mark Costes

15:41 min | 2 years ago

616: Opportunity and the Immigrant Edge

"Guy so you've probably heard me talk about a dental specific financial advisor called dentist adviser's their founder is a buddy of mine whose name is reached harper and he's a regular guest on her show so we asked him if he would create an online line continuing education course exclusively from the listeners of the dental pocket and happily he obliged sort of take this course refree all you have to do is visit just advisors dot com slash costa that's dentist advisors dot com slash costs and that's spelled c o s t e as also be sure to check out reece's podcast called the dentist money show which helps that just make smart financial decisions it's also available at jet just advisors dot com or search the dentist money show on your favorite podcast app dental per newer podcast okay doctor it's time to put down that hand you're listening to the show dedicated that helping dentist get their life back it's time to decrease your stress increase your profitability and regain your passion now introducing your host of doctor martin coughing hello everyone and welcome to another episode of the dental podcast host doctor marcus whoever's doing great out there today hey this july fourth day as you guys know this podcast has listenership in over a hundred and fifty countries all over the globe and i'm so grateful for each and every one of you every single day when i look up the download numbers on are software i am always just in awe of the growth of this podcast and i know i said a lot but i have to thank each and every one of you for passing on 'em links to your favorite episodes to your friends and family and colleagues without your referrals there's no way that this small little labor of love this little podcast could have grown to the degree that it so thank you each and every one of you whether you're a first time listener or you're an old dusty veteran that's been with us for four years thank you so much fear ongoing support a today is a very special day for my country men and women right here in good old usa today a we are broadcast as you know in a hunter fifty countries all over the world but this is a special day for us americans so to all of you americans out there no matter where on the planet you're listening to my voice happy happy fourth of july little bit of history for those of you that don't know on this day in seventeen seventy six two hundred and forty three years ago today the thirteen colonies claimed their independence from england in the declaration gration of independence and this day commemorates the birth of the united states of america as an independent nation as a first generation american that's me the son of immigrants i have a very special appreciation she ation for the opportunities that this country has given me the vast majority of my extended family still lives overseas end there's nothing in the world did they would want more than to be granted the opportunity fraternity to come to the united states but it's quite difficult to come illegally to the united states and to become a citizen i'm so grateful that my parents had the foresight to come see united states when they did and took an opportunity leaving everything that they knew behind work family friends everything that they knew everything they were comfortable wealth for a shot at a better life for their yet unborn children my sister gale and i and a for the betterment of future generations and it was you know in their mind not a guarantee so there's a huge risk to leave everything behind a first shot at a better life so in honor of the fourth of july and the sacrifices that are forefathers and the defenders of freedom have made for our country i'd like treat a few pages from my book the pillars of dental success where i talk about my parents immigrant story so this is from chapter one defying the odds and i start with a quote from abraham lincoln i will prepare ends sunday my chance will come whenever i speak on stage or give a presentation i tried mentioned the fact that i'm a first generation american i do this simply because it's such a huge part of who i am it's difficult to express how grateful i am to my parents for all the sacrifices that they have made for our family and me in the late nineteen sixties my father wasn't the typical immigrant who was fleeing political or religious just persecution when he decided to leave his home country of the philippines in fact he was successful college math professor wet dog bachelors degree in electrical and mechanical engineering as well as a masters in business administration his decision was especially difficult because he was newly married with a pregnant wife wife and he played a very big role in supporting his family and siblings because my grandfather worked for the philippine government he did not make enough money to support his family entirely for that reason my father began working as a young child to help his family in any way that he could not only was my father able to help his family when the necessities but he was able to put two of his sister's through college and then dental school imagine that guys but even though he had an incredibly close family unit a good job in a brand new pregnant wife my father had the courage and wisdom to realize that his children in wife as well as all future generations would have more opportunity and a better life in united states so in nineteen sixty seven when my father heard about a program called third preference in american program allowing certain professionals such as engineers to immigrate to the united states he applied and was later accepted this single inciteful inciteful decision changed the destiny of my entire family for generations his american dream began in chicago where his plane landed not knowing a single person in his new country he started out with a suitcase she's honored and fifty dollars in his pocket and no job prospects he rented a small room from an elderly couple and began his search for a job his initial goals were very simple first he needed the find a job so that he could save up enough money to buy a one way ticket from my mother and my sister whom he had not yet met and second he had have enough money so that once the family was together they would have their own home to eleven it wasn't long before he found my mother with great news he had hit the jackpot he had secured an interview with the largest and most well known electronics company in the world i b m within a couple of weeks he was offered a job as an electrical engineer and started immediately a few short weeks later my mother and my sister were in new york living in their first home in america in nineteen seventy one i was born investor hospital in poughkeepsie new york anyone who has worked for international business machines knows that the inside joke of the company is that i b m actually stands for i've been moved this joke joke i started because during many phases in history of the country company regularly moved its employees throughout the country in the world depending on logistical need it was understood and accepted in the company culture that if you want it to move your way up the corporate ladder you could expect transfers as i was growing up my family moved from new york to colorado from colorado to arizona and from arizona the california in many different towns within those states constantly being the new kid in class had its challenges but the fact that i was always involved in individual team sports helped me to make friends quickly no matter where we ended up because my father spent most of his childhood working and because of the philippines didn't offer options for organized youth activities he missed out on team sports is a child so from the time i was four years old my parents signed me up for every individual in a team sport that was offered there's doubt this turned out to be one of the best things i could've they could've ever done for me when i was a junior in high school my family lives in tucson arizona it had been several years since are last move so it finally felt like we planted routes and found a permanent home but then my dad got the call once again this time we're being transferred to southern california friday teenager getting up rooted in the middle of high school is earth shattering event moving away from friends that i had known since second grade was difficult to say the least thankfully my transition to a new school real wet relatively smoothly because once again i had team sports stuff all back on at the leftfielder on the baseball team of the custom the playing field field where the deep left field fence in a warning track during my first verse of the game at my new high school with an unfamiliar field i collided with the shallow left field fence while attempting to feel a deep fly ball a sports photographer from the local newspaper captured the entire scene in a gruesome three picture sequence picture one showed me running at full speed face first into the fence picture to showed me my coach in several i showed my coach and several of my teammates on their hands and knees searching for my teeth in left field grass the third picture of me being helped off the field with my jersey covered in blood impact caused me to lose two number eight which was never found to number nine was driven distillate and arrested in the middle of my palate at about the level the second pre molar teeth number seven in ten were fractured with new nerve exposure and i had an alligator fracture front teeth six to eleven as rest of the hospital where i was met by trauma team when i woke up i had doesn't the stitches to number eight was gone and she'd number six nine and eleven were splintered in place with or the wire the clinton defense had clearly won that battle even the process of repairing my mouth and jaw with long and painful it completely fascinated me i actively end eagerly participated in my restorative treatment plan made my own decisions an ask lots of questions i quickly gain an incredible respect and admiration admiration for the team of dentists and dental specialists that worked together to correct the effects of the violent collision it's strange how misjudging the trajectory of one fly ball in a high school baseball game completely changed the trajectory of my entire life from that point on i knew what i wanna do i wanted to become a dentist so many of you guys have heard that story many guys have seen pictures of me running into that fence that day on march eighth nineteen eighty eight the changed the trajectory of my entire life but none of that would have been possible 'em had my parents not had the foresight to come to this country make huge sacrifices for my sister and i have a huge appreciation for this country of a huge amount of respect for people that are trying to get here and finally do get here i have a huge respect for that immigrant edge then i talk about all the time the hard work in hustle that comes from being an outsider looking in as i was in the dental profession as an as my parents were trying to get the united states so i just wanna take a moment to take my hat off to all of you americans all of you brand new americans and all of you out there that are trying to get here for the chance of a better life and are willing to make sacrifices to do so in all the defenders of freedom all the people that have defended this country over the many many generations so thank you all for listening to my little tribute to america an immigrants on the fourth of july i wish all of you americans out there i'm very very happy fourth of july 'em make sure that you're safe out there and the i will talk to you all very soon happy fourth of july buddy take care of this episode is brought to you by our friends over there at compassionate fine now did you know the average american makes less than forty five thousand dollars per year it has less 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Independence Day Under Dictatorship

Ron Paul Liberty Report

14:41 min | 1 year ago

Independence Day Under Dictatorship

"Hello, everybody and thank you for tuning into the Liberty report with me. Today is Daniel make. Atoms are co host and I want to wish him a happy independence. Day July fourth except it isn't July fourth. They cancelled July fourth this year and I'm wondering to have lost confidence in July fourth I wonder if our leaders will allow us to celebrate our freedoms. They better, because that's the subject today of course for workforce or July, but in a way sort of sort of almost symbolic fourth of July came on Saturday, so we have to cancel that, so you have to celebrate it official holidays on third and and besides Four thousand is actually being canceled in some ways the celebration. We don't get to have our fireworks in our own little town here, but it reminds me very clearly. The first day I arrived in Lake Jackson to start my medical practice Wiz in nineteen, sixty eight, and we went to the fireworks, but I think it's been there every year since, but not this year because things are so tough and you know I wonder then whether the this year we should be celebrating the birth of our. Our independents or we should mourn the loss of our liberties and I. Guess You could make a case for both. We're still doing pretty well. We still have you know I a lot to be grateful for, and if you compare our lifestyle and our liberties, too a lot of other countries, there's a problem, but if you look at trends, the Trans aren't very good for us I think we're going in the wrong direction and we're not accumulating more liberty. We have diminished our liberties and. The right to speak out is being challenged like never before. If you can't speak out, you can't contest government. Government's always need contested. That's the way it's been in. This country was built on the fact that you could criticize the government and my whole definition of patriotism is to be able to criticize your own government It's not to be obedient and do everything they say especially when they're wrong. That is not is not patriotism patriotism and is not related. You know to empires that you have to defend the empire around the. The world and have our kids killed all around the world that to me is not patriotism that is not what I celebrate on the fourth of July. What I like to talk about is that a unique system was developed coming out of the fourth of July, our separation from from England and this this has worked out generally pretty well far from perfection, but at least it was set up and if you compare what we didn't the first one hundred years, or so, it was pretty magnificent, compared to everybody else because. Because history has shown that almost all revolutions and up with people having less liberty, even though most revolutions are always being fought for giving more liberty, just as this revolution going on now today in our streets that they're always the kind well. We got to help the people we got to give the people their freedom back in this sort of thing, but the truth is this revolution would probably end up if it's successful the ones we're seeing in the streets right now. If that one is successful, we're all GONNA have. Have lost a lot less liberty and here we have these last three months. It's it would make the argument for morning a little bit because we've been tested. We've had our liberties sharply. cur tailed over the corona virus, and also the the slump in the economy, which was created by our monetary system, and the and the Federal Reserve, and also the distortion of what's going on with black lives matter that you can't even say anything There is a recently which really got my attention especially at this fourth of July. Period and is the head of the nursing unit in University of Massachusetts, was expressing something in a medical sense of how we as physicians and nurses. We look at everybody you know universally every life we deal with matters in, and she made this suggestion that everyone's life matters. Guess how she was praised for that, she got fired. That is not a good to celebrate on our fourth. Of July, the only thing I can say is this becomes noticeable. Maybe it'll wake up some people and say the original fourth of July wasn't there to protect the government an system that says your speech is going to be severely curtailed, and our speech is being severely curtailed, so we we have enjoyed a lot of of liberties in compared to others, but I think that we're living on borrowed and borrowed money, and therefore on this fourth of July I don't WanNa. Mourn I will mourn. Some of the bad mistakes May, but I will also be thankful. Thankful that we live in a country that has been very beneficial to a lot of people, but that we have an obligation to an obligation to do our part in stating the principles of liberty and help spread that message that to me is an important project for all of US Daniel, we'll go to Paul Tyler today's takeoff on a brilliant piece by a friend Jimbo Vard that he published today in the American Institute for Economic Research and the title of gyms pieces it Independence Day in the midst of dictatorship, and we borrowed very liberally from his title for our table, but it makes so much sense. Jim is a master. At at at at writing in conveying complex thoughts in a way that are so poignant, but he he starts with saying how many Americans will greet July fourth day with gratitude that their governor is no longer compelling them to shelter in place or stay at home, so they can celebrate their freedom, and that's something you say a lot Oh. Thank you for letting me go getting that booed off of my neck. Thank you so much for it. And it's. It really is stunning. You think about this July fourth and Jim Point South three hundred million Americans or put under at home orders by their own governments. You stay at home. Don't even dare go outside by. There was no due process. No no legislative moves to make it happen, and here's older speed one other thing, and then I'm just GonNa. Go into one other point that I wouldn't mind making, but here's what Jim says to America's politicians in media have any special suggestion on how the tens of millions of people who lost their jobs due to the shutdowns should celebrate Independence Day. How should small business owners who have been bankrupted Mark July fourth, and that's exactly it bankrupted by power-hungry governors, even on down to power hungry mayors who listened to a lot of nonsense. But I wanted to read I was looking through the original grievances, and this is why we declared independence from the crown. We had some grievances. We didn't like the way the king was running things. He was doing some pretty dumb things. He was not being very very nice to our liberties. I was going to read a couple of them that I. thought might be pondering worth pondering today. Nephew will give me the. The Ability Grievance Sixteen. For cutting off our trade with all parts of the world sounds like sanctions grievance seventeen. For imposing taxes on us. Without our consent. How dare they do that? Grievance Eighteen for depriving in many cases, the benefit of trial by jury. We see a lot of that happening in essence. Grievance twenty two for suspending our own legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate well, that's just with the governor's did pass any laws. They declared executive order that reminds you of Kobe and here's another one twenty seven. He has excited domestic insurrections among us in that reminds me of what you were just talking about black lives, matter and Tika the the the authorities ordered the police to stand down and let them burn things up, so you could really go through all of the twenty seven grievances and find a lot of them are probably more relevant today than they were under King George. Not to mention our taxation is a lot higher now. You dated this. You told us where this came from, but if that was not explicit in somebody starts reading this in the middle. They'll think they're reading the newspaper. You Know Yeah Yeah. I'm glad somebody's noticed this well. It is a tragedy, but I think. This whole issue stems from the fact that people have a misconception on where liberty comes from, and they have accepted silly notion the. Notion in air in that is our liberties. Come from permission from the government. Point it doesn't liberties you come to us in a natural way. A lot of people in a God given way in. It's really a natural right, and that government doesn't do it. The the most government can do is make this very sincere effort to protecting your right to your liberty in that should be the limitation of government, but what does that lead to that leads to assist them where individuals should accept the fact that they make the decision of taking a risk, but. But today. That isn't the case because there's always a safety net for everybody know there's a safety net for big business and banks and politicians. They all have safety net. Everybody says safety net for the poor people. Sometimes the poor people are poor, because there's too many safety nets even before they're in trouble with the big guys you know, so it's it's a designed and where it's completely completely distance from what the original intent of the Constitution was, but I think. The. Other thing that is lacking is immoral principle the moral principle and we were warned even by the founders that if you don't have a moral. Society in people with Morality Liberty because you write it down on a piece of paper. It's nice good guideline, but that isn't the answer. You have to have a moral people that will respond in a positive way that life is precious and somebody. Else's life is precious as yours, and you can't abuse that light yet. That is basically what they do it so often. We've pondered the question. How can they do this? How do they live with himself? Look to harm done. Look at what they've done with lockdown. Look look at what they did. You know in the early part of this century on all the wars and killing well throughout our history, but especially in the Middle East. How do they live with themselves on that? And you know the way I see that is that. People and thugs on the street. You see these thugs go up. They start killing people and. You see them doing and they walk away as if they're. Hitting an ice cream company he doesn't do. They have no sense of of morality and These individuals I believe, do not have a conscience their their are sociopaths, and sometimes psychopath, and they're. They're different, but the problem is. If you had one or two or three, you might be able to handle that when a society becomes sociopathic, and they make the excuse, but if they don't start with the right premises than in vice is to make an to make an excuse for for what? What the people are doing and because I think you know I the statement, and and this is a a good statement I've used it is you should treat other people like you WanNa. Be Treated Yourself, and and that is a very good thing on. We should treat other countries. We want to treated, but the problem is when the country or the majority or large number leaders becomes a sideshow sociopathic. They have no self esteem, and so so you. You can't expect them to. They say well. You don't treat that individual like I want to be treated matter of fact when they don't have any self esteem, I think they're sort on a suicide mission, and they have no respect for themselves. They don't think like not only do they nothing other people's lives are worth much. They don't even think much of their own life, so I think this this age. That, we live in is very risky. I'd like to think on the positive side that at at the beginning, certainly It was so liberty to a large degree. It's being diminished now, but believe me I am convinced they're still a spark liberty left, and we need to ignite that spark a liberty and make sure it gets spread so that we don't have to put up with a continuing downslide. Downslide of this and I do see the spark I believe in and I wouldn't do this, but I didn't think there was some benefit to this to spread a message besides I feel obligated to it and believe it or not. I enjoy talking to people when I see a sign of it. I, understand what you're saying. You know that's do something about it. And then that's excites me so Daniel. Well I'll just close. I don't want to end on a on a downer. I would just close by saying. Declare your independence, you know we. We have a lot of bad things happening, but we are individuals to clear your independence. Defend your liberty and I think that Dr Paul do our own. Brasilia County Park Patriots homeschool families. They took their kids to the park. They cut the tape and they said we are going to play in these parks. And when the police came, they challenge the police. What laws are you enforcing and the police had to back down. I, think that's a great model for all of US challenge. Don't take. Don't just put on your mask. Because someone says you have to do it. Challenge it. Defend your liberty. We do other future, but we have to work very hard to make that happen. I want to go ahead and finish with one more point is. Governments can't protect us from ourselves. They attempt to because they believe they're better than us. They've told me that that people are stupid and they can't take care of themselves, so we have to take care of themselves, but if if you expect or D or accept the system where the government is supposed to take care of us, and we're not supposed to care of ourselves There's no end to it. They can do anything and everything because. Because, it's a religious issue, it's an economic issue is a foreign policy issue. It's a issue and that's where we are today. Because everybody has to have a safety net, and I would say the best safety net in the world could be your liberty, and add is what we should be struggling for to get people to understand and then work for it WANNA thank everybody for tuning in today. Please come back soon.

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Men in Blazers 04/30/21: WGFOP: The Bald

Men In Blazers

27:23 min | 3 months ago

Men in Blazers 04/30/21: WGFOP: The Bald

"This is rebecca. Lowe will rebecca if you listen to sub optimal radio and you on this thing to men in blazers on the nbc sports network world. It's friday the end of an incredible week really really has been to say up top. I'm incredibly touched. A move welcomed by your response. Did jeff foe. Ps my reborn in the usa. Whichever released into the world via twitter for the first time. Yesterday i should preface this by saying. I've never done anything like this book before. I've never put out into the world which is so personal and vulnerable and to do so. It's exhilarating terrifying in equal measure. Bill with the best drafted justin failed. And this. listen to this podcast. You will know this. Well into memoir. It's a love letter to the united states that land of which i've often joked i love more than kenny powers. Loves america and this book is the story of that love. i wrote most of it during the lockdown. Let's be honest. It was a year of chaos for the united states which happening so close to my becoming a newly minted. American citizen did make me feel a little bit like jona in the way i was it. All my folks and this force me to dig deep into memories of an era when the united states folk very different liverpudlian teen in the eighties and nineties. Look from across the ocean at the us which appeared to be a beacon of such courage. Tenacity i'm wonder that it changed everything. I thought possible about the world and gave me the strength to chase those possibilities before the passion tracy chapman sang about four course so the book i wanted to create a portrait of this american idea written in a spirit of love optimism and gratitude. Spirit i believe will prevail. I came of age with the stars and stripes and the manhattan skyline painted as a mural my bedroom wall and ended up moving here and the active becoming. An american citizen is still. It is the single greatest achievement of my life. This book is that story. It's an immigrant story bill. The first offer scarface scene of dental if scarface had been his influence as i was by heart-to-heart rigid scary books love boat. Fantasy island miami. Vice john cougar. Mellencamp scarecrow prim pink the super bowl winning chicago says moonlighting public enemy. The beastie boys and graceful mcqueen tracy chapman the response. Yesterday as pact would say was in the bull say at all i can say is this you. Men in places fans are the single greatest we had song copies in bookstore in seattle. The magical elliott bay and they sold out on day one. I'm currently grinding away late night. Signing more book plates. Thank you for making me growing reborn in the usa comes out right before july fourth day which means so much to me as new american lable for preorder right. Now your ears may glaze. You've wanna say preorder. But as i've learned preorders make or break a book. They really do want you sell before the goes on sale. 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Sports must be twenty one or older and chair. I know w. customers only winning paid out tim. Free bech sixties. Apply these outcomes. Indiana one eight hundred nine with the question. One producer jona. Hi my name is jacqueline. I live in franklin indiana. I'm a supporter of arsenal football club and My question is about The cranky out movement Similar to the glazer out movement. You know we understand why the are set with these owners but like is there a better alternative out there. I can't imagine there are many people in the world who have enough money to own football club of that size. Who also don't care whether or not their investment goes up or down and whether or not they gain money or lose money. I as an arsenal fan. I'm not sure what the alternatives like. Who are we gonna get to replace. The conte's can you shed some light on this all right. Derrick oh like franklin indiana. I up let me say this to you and all of us know fans a failure pay a weird dot. We sped first of all the eggs essential battle for self respect and a modicum of dignity. We're fighting for scraps. Now in the league against people emory. It was like having to walk charter darkness and the mirror watch crunchies decline. And is it declined. It is at the climb. Make no mistake. I think of that. Francis ford coppola quite about the making of apocalypse. Now we had access to too much money too much equipment and little by little. We went in sade or an insane football club the gap between the fans want and expect from the grand football team. You know an elite squad. A savvy manager at tactically coherent plan at above all the desire the intention to win. How many of those do also actually possess and the crunchy cares only about the valuation of his sports property which grows or has grow. And what i having to do. Any of the things defends expect. He doesn't care about them. He doesn't care about their feelings. He doesn't feel about veg reams. He doesn't dream those streams. He dreams only in dollah signs care about his team's record. Kiss only about about valuation. So much josh kanchi publicly says we all not selling the team quote or bishen for us know remained being american accent. Wouldn't it be one of those remains to compete to win the biggest trophies in the game. Josh cokie does the biggest trophies at the you probably means like genuinely the tallest trophies. Older stanley cutlass baked. That's toll. I liked that. That's a big trophy. The biggest trophies in the gay of focus remains on improving competitiveness on the pitch to achieve this ice so much bullcrap josh bianchi. If not done that for years all of that means nothing and the truth is every team is always for sale. The rest is just about price and context so entered. Daniel lack that swedish bold spotify genius next and does limp or establish childhood arsenal fan bona fide as and squawk box on this. I've been an arsenal eight years. Old arsenal is my team. I love the history. I love the players And of course. I love the fans so as i look at that i just see a tremendous opportunity to set a real vision for the club to bring it back to its glory and i want to establish trust with fans and our one engage fans again. So dancer question. I'm very serious You know I have secure the funds for it. And i want to bring a what i think is a very compelling offer to the owners and i hope they hear me outs suggest kwon key responds. No dale no way. No how just kanchi is talking. Bollocks cronk will look at that property that's also listed them by the way a property delicate property thusly number one. The founding era premier league rights glue earliest plateaued and domestically in england and. This is a pain. So i'd the right sales in the uk rule. So view of pete now that bt british telecom all to drop out of the rights competition with sky to the television money which has ratcheted upwards year on year. No longer number. Let's be honest. Awesome lewis close to champions league money so that super league game bay which for us. Those larry stretch almost desperate lost flailing play. That's failed and worse when funds come back. If they keep demoing creatively engaged keep essentially the also brand is going to become a distressed assets say is a cranky exit logical certainly not a bad time to dispose of this asset so then price becomes everything arsenal of valued. Give or take around two point. Eight billion dollars could be as high as three. You compare that to a new car. So non big six team which is around four hundred and eighty five million. If eck is good for the money this is not out of the realm of possibility to be honest this this new loss fame. Doing this is an amazing play by daniela to step up and announce his oslo beta phi as in this movement because he doesn't force crunchy out still looks great. Why good piece of self marketing. This is the good guy trying to save the club. He dreamt a child to be only problem only star if he does truly take over us no i mean then. He has to compete with the petro dollar. Bottomless pits. Age of football now city. Psg chelsea who else can compete. It's tough and echo. Whoever takes over also buying the clubs. Only half the problem you will have to sink in a forty to rework that squad payoff. They've salaries rebuild. War is partially really a rotting essay and oslo fans expectations from day. One will be where they always that always set. Eleven suv dare it. Your question is all the truly whitehat. Owners imboden football at the elite elite level. Or ask yourself. He has three billion dollars plus lawing around to end to the gay. And what would motivate them to do so and then onto that yourself the answer. probably sadly darkly tragically. Let's cheer ourselves shall we. Don about swear harak inhale the dickson's voice loud and clear in that is called the leap para musical tonsils next question. What's going on guys. This is Kevin chelsea fans from long island and Going into the second leg surprisingly. Am i wrong but i feel confident. The only thing that is harder to do than score against chelsea is to let chelsea score against you so thankfully all we need to do is blank zero zero draw. We move on. But i am worried about team oh burner. It's sounds crazy and harsh to ask this or early into his chelsea tenure but is experiment older. I mean this guy is not going to hit six yards out six feet out six inches out. I have no confidence map. All going in and Talk teams can't miss chances like that. So i mean what you guys think courage cavero. Oh what a week. For chelsea fans for season for chelsea fans you have lived all of the emotions and luckily for year chelsea fans you lift them in the right order the glory has come out of the business end of the season and the sweetest part of it. Sounds like this really get. He's found pulisic. there's no flag hair it's christian. Pulisic courtois held him up. Scored chelsea take the lead where the go from christian pulisic woth an american moment. I mean this is how i look at i go. Pennsylvania was founded in seventeen eighty seven. That co it's taken two hundred thirty three years three months of thirty days for a son of that great state to score. Na champion zeke semifinal krisztian you making a dreams come trae what talking about gray american moments. Oh may jesse marsch hats off hats off may anyway this weekend chelsea face that human oil painting scott parker and inflatable gla fulham despots away. The very thome deputies is on that champions league tally gates real madrid which hangs delicately in the balance you frame this so well they carry the only thing your words so this harder to score against chelsea say is to let chelsea score gates year and much of that really revolves around the mysterious case. It is almost an all of a sacks mysterious psychological. Kate verda who lost week. Yes sco to bake boy goal but it was just the in thirty two agonizing appearances and he makes that goal if terrible terrible mess and also blue golden champion to champion seed. The kind of charges should be said team. Verna over a year ago would have buried with clinic. Keleti on this -ly a mystery. His thomas to calls latest greatest analysis. He missed the big one in west him. Now miss another big one here that does help But it does also not help to cry about it or to to to to regret it. All the time is like this there are there are millions of people who have who have hard things to deal with than than than chances that you miss. Search empathy in the to verse but needs fatih bay. Is there a slew of elite strike. As he's four. But has buta triangle that stamford bridge shevchenko fanatic torres. Oughta just for three and the good news is so many players have suffered a chelsea before going on to become great katy bay bay grow egyptian king most seller. But i will tell you this. I find it. Harrowing watching team over and play football right now are really who amongst us has not felt in their lives. We have all failed miserably. We've all failed for prolonged periods. We've all suffered and struggled but poor team verna has to do it with the entire world watching looking only at him floundering and i find it. Humanly devastating channel. The spirit of this team table saw s down these trauma talk to arkansas office depot shrimp whole song chelsea fans and everything gonna be all right next question. Hey roger this is chris from kisii. I'm a brentford an arsenal supporter. Finding as i listened to more and more of these. Wgn this mainly a arsenal call and complain line but anyways for the past year my mom kinda felt sick to know what it was She finally went to genyk bone marrow test and it came out as she has a small cell lymphoma her chemo treatment is going currently. She has not lost any but She thinks in the next round of treatment she will about a week or two And it's holiday already with her. I will Shave my head as well But my question really is What should i as well as her be expecting. become involves For a short amount of time granted. It's not gonna be for the rest of our lives but for a short amount of time. What should we expect at newly minted hall courage chris. la poughkeepsie. I'm so sorry to hear about your mom. I'm thinking about you. And her and incredible sub for the mine found out has cancer this week in a been thinking about that darkness in the pain that it can create a send. You my love. I'm wishes for strength. And here's what's say about the ball this shape partially 'cause i've thought about your question i'm really not the right person to us because a realize or your question made me realize chris. I come from such a long of bullets on both sides of family that you always fell bald even when a of full david louise style. Thick main ecoles. I was appalled in waiting abboud with hair. I should say all of the minimum. Who all bowled. A were bowled was so calm and confident with all naff at both of them in any way and tell us blessed they were not chill. Strong authentic bulls wave real personalities. And that's what say you clearly love your mom. She sounds like an amazing lady. Draw strength from who you are what you stand for what you believe what you day. The high rate it channel. You're in a might t. If freak flag fly big love was loss question. Hi raj This is caleb from harrisonburg virginia. I'm an arsenal fan An since he gave a shout out to one of our local rivals a little while ago that eastern mennonite school flame shockers. Relegation confirmed this past week and it was kind of out of the headlines. All the super league grandma. I'm quite serious. Is goes dramatic. Fall from grace. The single worst example of the cursive garage. There's there's something even darker than going from competing for top for finish down to relegation in one season lurking in your background. Thanks for everything you do and made the curse lists soon piece. Caleb your shoka oh how would you say hello darkness. My old friend. German ducal translate tells me to don't call height might alter freud question. Maybe out loud because i actually wrote in the epilogue my book these words if finish as would-be saying the fact i became a citizen at the very time the united states became so turbulent and chaotic which crushing. There's a running joke amongst view as of the men in blazes. Television showed that the stall play. Is i interview often. Experience an instant loss of fool. More injury offense. Call it. The cursive roach. The america of my ideals of my dreams gave way to outrage. Unrest and confusion reminded of all the division experience in england. The my childhood. That realization was. As if i was trapped in the ultimate cursive. Raj and it's true. It's been especially wild to release a book about. I love of america at the very moment. United states was tearing itself apart during the covid. Chaos black lives matter demonstrations and twenty two thousand election. There were moments dr though the only people that would want him talk about loving america would be one america news network newsmax say when i received this blur from the magical meaner coins found that i loved it and i found it incredibly moving to all her words be the lost after noting the i might be the only person who can quote we sheltered obsessions with the super bowl winning chicago bears and tracy chapman into a singular coming of age story which is probably true meena wrote reborn in the usa reminds us not only of what it means to pursue the american dream but that dream should and still can't represent amen. Two year won't be back on morning joe on monday until and courage.

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"This jack and this is snacks. Daily eight is friday. Real friday joe. I second kathy's fourth of july independence day friday last pot for us before the three day weekend. Snacker we'll see on tuesday chaque tuesday kick back and enjoy your heart thought constitutional right to. I'll go ball ego. It's not legal advice. Also today's pot the best one yet. Jackets are best one for first story. Tick-tock is tripling the length of their videos from sixty seconds to three men. But the real story here is that tick-tock is straddling two worlds foyer. Second-story legalzoom stock popped thirty five percent on their ideal. Jack we got ourselves another piggyback stock. It's legalzoom for our third and final story. The most unusual story in snacks history. I think courtesy of greenpeace. Alright snacker exxon. Mobil just got caught in a sting operation so awkward. We actually just had it on this pocket smackers before he hit those three wonderful start. Honestly fantastic mix before the three-day weekend. Nick i got an independence day but right. I know what you're talking. It's the pre pre july fourth day. So you get a good feeling before it's also though happy. Belated bobby baena day yesterday. If you're a mets fan you know it well. july first. The day that the mets baseball team pay the former slugger a million dollars every year. Here's the catch for the metropolitan baseball club. The fifty eight year old. Bobby bonia hasn't hit a home run in twenty years very strange. We dovan further snack style. Bobby baena is a player who agreed to a unique payment plan with the mets way back in the year. Two thousand to end his contract which the mets wanted to get out of. They agreed to pay. Bobby boania a million dollars. Every year. for twenty five years from two thousand eleven till twenty thirty five so facto the mets are splurge in a million bucks every year on a man who hasn't touched a bat in two decades. The mets are looking at their record and the nfl east. And then they're looking at the news. They just paid bobby bony million dollars again. We're stay of the year for mets fans so nicotine i at some other unusual payment plans in corporate history. Jackie we talk about brooklyn brewery the legendary brewery. They gotta logo that. Looks like the brooklyn dodgers actually but when they needed their logo. They didn't pay cash for now. They gave the designer five percent of equity in the brewery and beer anytime he enjoyed a keg anytime you wanted until he passed away a couple of years. Also you got college athletes who had no payment plan until yesterday. Yesterday was the first day that a march madness basketball star. A pole vaulter a javelin-thrower can actually get paid. Ea sports is considering adding actual college players names to their video games. Finally saqer's happy. Belated bobby boania and congrats to all the athletes in the united states. Getting paid in new and very strange ways but senator three stores the game daily illegal snacks about the rain. Food is candy. They don't reflect. The views of her family stole informational just so recommending any securities. It's not a research report or investment advice. natta offer or sale of security snacks as digestible. Business news financial. Llc member famous less s. c. Our first story big news. Tick-tock is going from small videos to medium videos diktats parent company by dance. The most important thing is that they play two hemispheres. Big tech just plays one we talk about maybe the most fundamental important valuable lovely quote. That drives this podcast yet. I would've written you a shorter letter. But i didn't have enough time on it. Sink in let it sink in. Maybe that's a mark twain quote in maybe nikkan is usually have like a lot more content for this. Yes what we wanna keep it brief for you and it takes us more time to make it briefer. It's always hard your essay. Your teachers always like make it shorter. It's gonna take you four days to write that us. That's why tick tock has always been such a creative challenge for posting. Because he got a squeeze it and fifty nine seconds. I want to make the video about how to order the kulata from darlene. How do i do that. In thirty seconds it took me a week to you. Now have three minutes to talk about. All dali hazelnut pumps you tick. Tock is officially expanding it to three minutes. That's the new limit for video small. Change us applications now tick taw exactly because three minutes knackers. That's kind of a big deal. That is three times as long as tick tock has always been it's got to mess with the algorithm and it's going to show you different videos now totally different content and maybe make it feel more youtube i mean. Does this mean jack. We can put the intro this podcast now on tick-tock do we fit. Are we talking. I think we're chockablock. Docket wilder this is great. Let's just run with us. Let's just talk her mom's out the real story here isn't tick-tock it's by dense the private tech giant that owns tick-tock. If you're thinking take talks knackers start to think about bite dance as well last month. Pf wdm's leaked that tick talks. Owner by dance doubled their revenues last year to thirty four billion dollars. Okay so talk doing thirty. Four billion dollars jack. Can you sprinkle a little context on that number for us. Snapchat did two and a half billion in revenue last okay so snapshots doing a whole lot less than our buddies ever. Tectonic facebook did eighty six billion last lot. More than everybody's take talk tick-tock it's kind of in the media. Part of the curve of social media revenues also by dent has one point nine billion users. Yes they do. That's something we need to talk about. It is something we need to talk about which feels like a takeaway moment. So jack what's the takeaway for our buddies at tick-tock owner bite dance tick ducks greatest. Competitive advantage is that they straddle to worl. Funny thinks knackers that one point nine billion users number about tick-tock. It isn't just tick tock that's actually about tick-tock and do do jide do jin is tick tock sister. Yes nineties version. Only in china but it's also owned by. You may not have heard about do yen even though he may be ticked talking all the time. It's the same short form videos. It's the same dance routines the same makeup tutorials the same tips for how to keep your cool during a heatwave which my wife's been ticked talking all we gotta be talking. That also slight difference here between tick tock and do yet. yeah do. Yen is filtered through the chinese censor machine tic tac not as much otherwise. These two sister apps had the same algorithm different servers same owner but different countries so by dance has managed to straddle two worlds why all of the west including north america and europe big markets. Big mark as well as china jack. When about facebook. How about that's been banned in china since the star jack. How about snapchat also blocked in china jack. How about google. Google's not in china because open. Internet search is illegal in china so smackers tik toks owner bite. Dance could become the first tech company to hit a walk in four billion users because it straddles. Two worlds with two apps. Arrest of big tax is just in the west for our second story. Legalzoom just jumped thirty five percent on its ipo. Yes this store is not about the company it's about the company's piggyback legal zoom. Actually by the way tech company here but twenty year old tech company that been in the biz. Awhile out of law school they partner. They did and some celebrations are in order including for the co founder rob shapiro rob shapiro co founder of legalzoom in nineteen ninety-four was defending oj. Simpson as part of oj. Simpson's dream team. That's right there are a lot of. Ipo's last week. This was the only one where a member of oj simpson's legal team actually co founded the company. They must have been thinking. I'm making way too much money. I can't believe how much i can charge as lawyer vasily. I need to disrupt my old legal industry before someone else does. And here's what rob shapiro. Notice he noticed that only eight percent of legal work in the united states is provided online. There's an opportunity to offer lower price legal work using technology. Pretty simple so legalzoom is basically automating lawyer. Yeah you walk through some questions you give some information and boop you get the produced completed documents that you need to do your thing is basically agent are block but for the fine print things that could get you sued and screw turbo tax. Yes for wills and testaments. Here's the goal behind legalzoom. It's to get you legal work. You need without a single billable hour of a very expensive lawyer. Right if you click like the. I need help button. Yeah you might end up getting a lawyer on the line in which case you're gonna pay but typically if you want lille worked on either your splurging on an attorney or you're begging your buddies cousins aunts mom for advice which is awkward for about a or just pay seventy nine bucks illegals. That's there legalzoom. We jumped in snacks out to the ipo paperwork just notched its best year ever. We're talking half a billion dollars. In sales in two thousand twenty and this year growth is accelerating. They had twenty seven percent revenue growth. Not crazy for her. No it's not but it is twenty years old as he said. But here's what jack. And i find fascinating about legalzoom. The reason for these record numbers twenty twenty was the most entrepreneurial year in the united states. History bore businesses were created last year. That's right any year. Since we've been keeping the data. I was shocked by i was shot. We sat down. We stood up. We sat back down. But if you think about it. Digital startups are easier than ever to start. I mean he got shop. If i square at the all these tools that help you launch a business online. Even when you're working from home even if you've got one band with of wifi it's all you need and then you got the phenomenon known as the creator economy which is kind of a big deal. Everyone's favourite term from last year. It was like the seymour. Daryl hates his job and he's been sneaking into the storage closet to do a podcast. Guess what he turned that side us. Linda's full hustle. What i heard. Daryl sold that podcast spotify for one hundred trillion dollars jap that's why there's a huge demand for legalzoom services right. Now get this knackers. Ten percent of all new. Llc's registered in the united states. Last year used legalzoom to do it. Janine quit her job yesterday. Grab daryl together. They started like collagen. Coffee company filed their documents in delaware and they used legalzoom to produce. Put the copy on your face and you can drink fantastic jack. What's the takeaway for our buddies over at legalzoom is the piggyback stock to the creator. Now snacker you could frame legalzoom as just another enterprise software business to business company like docu sign or dropbox or salesforce out there or shop. A fire eventually but legalzoom's core revenues bit. Were new. it is. They make most of their buddy. When businesses are formed so legalzoom seventy nine dollars service fee so that you can launch. Your business is directly correlated to entrepreneurship and the trend. Right now. people are quitting their jobs. Yes they are. Companies like genuine get cheaply easy doing it online. So legalzoom isn't that trend but it's piggybacking on that trend for our third and final story. Exxon mobil is trying to convince the world. It's taken climate change very seriously. One of their top lobbyists is awesome. Really ruined that campaign. I mean can. I say it's maybe the most unusual snack story of the week. Jack being little self reflective here smackers. This story starts with greenpeace which just pulled a sting operation on exxonmobil. that's generous. I think we can more specifically call this borat operation. I think sasha. Baron cohen's evolved in the star dairy inspires knackers greenpeace engages in civil disobedience to protect mother. Earth at all costs. They don't hug trees. They protect them with their bodies. Some controversial moves doing that. By the way have kayaked in front of an oil rig. Yes they let their kayaks. Bob bears the oil rig. Can't go to see jill. That's what they do. They're also really good at stopping you off the subway and asking if you thirty minutes to make a donation which you definitely don't they also repelled off of a bridge to prevent said oil rig from cruising under the bridge. You have one hour. So i can tell you that what's happening to rabbits in norway. But this time greenpeace decided to put on a suit and pretend to be a corporate recruiter and they got an exxon mobil. Lobbyist to candidly. Speak his mind all on tape so not realizing he was being recorded and under false pretenses. Here's what the senior director of federal relations for the oil company. Exxon mobil actually said in real life. But before we tell you what he's at. Yeah we gotta say something a little context. If you seek government affairs or government relations you should think about lobby and if he here federal nations you should think about lobbying to senators and members of the house of representatives so this lobbyists said the exxon mobil quote unquote real then members of congress like they were fish specifically he referred to one crucial swing state sent which is funny because exxon mobil publicly says that they're committed to carbon capture in order to slow global warming. Anything the lobbyist actually says that's mainly for show not for real. Exxon mobil publicly says that they support a carbon tax to fight global warming. Well the lobby says that's a quote unquote knock gonna happen. Actually just a talking point for exxonmobil and finally exxon mobil says on their website that they understand climate risks. Well the lobbyist says they fight climate science and have back shadow groups to conduct research to cast doubt on all that climate science. This is all coming at a super awkward moment for exxon. Because it may we covered about exxon's embarrassing defeat in a big shareholder vote yes. Shareholders voted for major change and exxonmobil. Three new board members are on exxon mobil. Because they're proactive about. Climate change is dead a dragging their feet. Then you got this borat situation happening. That's so embarrassing. The ceo had to publicly apologize. Said the lobbyists doesn't reflect the views of exxon mobil. And nicot isaac if he doesn't reflect the views of exxon mobil. Why did he get promoted. So many times to become the senior lobbyist in charge of dc lobby. We're looking at the lincoln. We've seen the endorsement. So jack what's the takeaway for our buddies over at exxon mobil. There is good. Lobbying and there's babylon's knackers. Lobbying can be get like when a company understands lawmakers goals and then helps them achieve those goals for example. A lobbyist may say oh congresswoman. You want to protect children from car accidents and extra cameras going to raise the prices of cars. For what if we do some new mirrors instead win win. That would be an example of good lobby. You help the congressperson achieve our goal and you keep prices down and you know probably help your profits too on the other hand. Lobbying can be in bad faith. You know spreading misinformation to skew public opinions or to sway politicians kind of and fish sometimes lobbying financing politicians in a transactional profit boosting. Quid pro quo. So he got good lobbing you got bad lobbying. This was an example of some bad lobby jack. Kenya whip up the takeaways force. Before the three-day weekend tic tac is tripling. Their video limit. Two three minutes they might triple their user base to four billion humans because bite dance straddles. Two worlds legalzoom is sitting happy as a publicly traded ten billion dollar. It's piggyback off entrepreneurship and the creator. Economy exxon mobil says that they understand and are committed to fighting climate change while they're top lobbyists just confessed the truth about exxon's bad lobby now time for our snack factor the day. This one tweeted in by beneath maiden longtime legendary snacker by the way from lovely new jersey. Two hundred and forty five years ago. Our founding fathers took the ultimate ipo declaring independence and they literally put their lives on the line for a new small detail. Though that often gets lost down there in philadelphia the continental congress actually voted for independence. Two days earlier on july second today so july fourth is actually when they signed the thing and then printed. the thing took their two days to get those and inks and feathers reading so today arguably more important than your barbecue in two days. John adams would probably say today should be the national holiday. I know what you're thinking. Joe adams snacker as you look fantastic. 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Biggest Risk Is Downside Jobs Surprise: JPM's Kennedy

P&L With Pimm Fox and Lisa Abramowicz

25:56 min | 2 years ago

Biggest Risk Is Downside Jobs Surprise: JPM's Kennedy

"Welcome to the bloomberg pnl podcast i'm paul sweeney alongside my co host lisa abramowicz each day we bring you the most note worthy and useful interviews for you and your money whether you're at the grocery store or the trading floor find the bloomberg pnl podcast apple podcasts or wherever you listen to podcasts as well at bloomberg dot com we're mitch de longest economic cycle on recor the fed is certainly in the dovish mode trade risk appears to be on the back burner at least for now so the question is what investors do after that phenomenal first half of the year to help us guide us as for the second half we welcome our good friend tom kennedy thomas global head of macro in fixed income strategy at jp morgan private bank they have lots of money under management tom joins us here on the bloomberg interactive brokers studio trust me they have lots of the tech the technical term fund jillions joined still tom what do we do here again a great first half of the year probably tendency for a lot of investors this to protect what they made if that's what somebody comes to you what do you tell them neck comes me a lot test that i think question you get protection coming lots of shapes and sizes right i wanna protect myself by still staying invested i think adding longer maturity bonds a is a great porch portfolio hedge comic pushback you'll just so low tom why would i do that well they could lower and maybe we wanna talk about that these other pieces are gold i think historically it's been a great late cycle play and it protects you might my only pushback fact there is it doesn't have any yield to it so it's a pure protection play and then what we have seen most on the first half of the of the year was forward steeper traits the place where the spread between the two year treasury in the ten year treasury would steeping in down down jeff scenario but the foreign markets relatively flat so we had people positioning to protect their portfolio for a world where the fed has cut aggressively in steeping the curve they were using that as a portfolio heche could get lots of leverage in that trade 'em that trade i think is largely played out before the markets deepening already ready so i think there's still a good trade but it's not gonna protect your portfolio the same way we thought it would earlier in the year recommending that claim no were not there's not much moment of pause there yeah all right well you might it might might become one day went to look for i i do have to wonder what you're expecting for friday we do get that payrolls number in the market certainly is positioned for three twentyfive basis point rate cuts by december what do we need to see in order to maintain come on friday yeah the calm number i think is north of one twenty five to one fifty roughly around consensus 'em i think you see anything under a hundred and i think you have to start saying well what does the fed doing july is it do we have to start their price twentyfive basis point cut in july this conversation i think gets the gets very myopically focused what does the fed july base case i think at this point has to be that they cut twenty five basis points inflation expectations low growth is rolling over but most importantly the fed has some pushback on this they have not push back on financial market pricing so so that should tell us that they are relatively comfortable with the way the market is pricing at this point 'em between now and then powell will speak one more time unassuming friday's jobs job reporters okay i think you'll have access halloween into and say you know what twenty twentyfive is okay with fifty these unlikely okay so what's the big risk on friday oh i think the risk is that we start to see a crack in the in the labor market this has been the foundation of your argument that there is no emergency happening right now the feds gonna cut but it's doing it because it's a recognition maybe that they hiked one or two times too many last year they're gonna get get down towards the lower neutral rate if the consumers cracks which it tends to be the last piece to correct 'em that argument that they're they're they're only gonna hike sar excuse me only gonna cut one or two times looks less likely and it's more likely they'll have the cut aggressively so i think that's the real risk scenario all right that's a good summary for the fed let's go across europe we have a new e c b president's team guard what is that mean for you and free markets do you think we just priced out of a hawkish leadership from dc be that's gotta be step number one recognition 'em from what we can produce from her is that she's likely to be supportive of a combination for from these it'd be going forward a given the limited impact we've we've seen in her past statements kind of an interesting fact remember twenty fourteen before you see be instituted q e d i m f report that year six months before he came out she suggested in there that she was warranted if inflation remains low for a long time so she even favored unconventional tools back in twenty fourteen i don't see anything in what you said since then that would suggest otherwise so that's definitely encouraging the dubs over in europe i do wanna just bring me this headline that president trump is tweeting that china and europe are playing big currency manipulation game you are seeing the dollar move a bit on this a weakening a touch against its major peers i'm wondering how the dollar plays in here if the dollar does continue the weekend i is that supportive for u s bonds or not considering the fact that a lot of japanese investors are coming in on hedge basis yeah this question gets tough be monetary policy a combination is globally competitive at this point so i think you have the answer the wearable currency go question west who has more ammunition who has more ability to ease financial conditions is it japan probably not in the developed world is it europe probably we not it's probably the fed so between you're you're timing now where does flight to quality come into play if you hit downdraft engrossed that substantial vs affair that china ease financial conditions to prevent that from happening so i think we're in a period now where the dollar is likely to be biased to to depreciate but you're you're you're talking about the timing game now i think is in to be very clear my base case is not that we hit a substantial downdraft in growth over the next six to twelve months but we do we do place a one in three chance of happening in the next six to twelve months which quite high time kennedy you'll have to come back after a july fourth holiday and at least eight more of your opinions 'cause i've got a lot more questions tom kennedy global head of macro and fixing singing strategy at jp morgan private bank well christine lagarde head of the i n f is poised to take the helm of the european central bank after mario draghi leaves in october with us to help us break this down his irene finale hoenig meant she isn't adjunct professor of international fairs at columbia the university in new york city irene thanks so much for having us twelve extent was this announcement of a missed the guard surprise i think first of all thank you for letting me comeback on bloomberg to discuss dish 'em i think that this was a surprise a but at the same time everyone thinks it's a very smart choice a it was a surprise because you lose assume that this would go to a more conventional a traditional high level economist or other head of the central bank however i want you make one point because one of the comments centered that my dad and i go would bring more politically expertise rather than economic central bank expertise however it's important remember that following the sovereign debt crises in europe from two thousand ten to two thousand fourteen this was a very unique time where for the first time i m f under before that ds k and the guy and she'd be under trees shrubs and then hockey anti you commission had to work extremely closely together for the famous troika to try to bail out these countries both on the sovereign nation basis and on the banking sector so deep relationship and knowledge and connectivity between i m f n d e c b it's far deeper than it would have been in other circumstances i mean this is a really interesting point and i have to wonder there's been a lot of comments about her nomination the nation about christine lagarde nomination saying in general being the head of a central bank is becoming increasingly apolitical role in less of an economics role i'm wondering at given the backdrop is unique to the european union do you think that is they leap too far and if this really is an easy be specific a necessity for a politically kind of figure rather than simply an economics one i think it's a combination 'em i think clearly they she'd be right now as head marvelous leadership under druggy but even more important d e c b has taken on a mandate and then expand the scope of functions far beyond its original mandate a pure play stability on monetary policy under the new banking union in europe d e c b today is very much in the same position as the fed and having both extensive expansive supervisory monitoring power over the major banks andy a euro zone area and in of course all european banking sectors so vishal ready puts it in a different position where clearly into a relationship between governments an between the banks and the national central bank is much tighter is much greater than they would have been whether their supplies more to d e c b a then elsewhere that may be the case because of the unique structure of the euro zone and also because they brand you you commission is now also coming into play post crisis so i think all of these factors play together that there is no longer a way to nicely compartmentalize economic side on the political side so professor what do you think a mom machar's goals in strategy will be when she assuming she assumes disposition i think she will probably follow very closely a the dry gay both methodology on policy there seems to be very much a continuation a she herself has seemed to have had an expansive view of the role of major both multilateral in central banks in helping a to stabilize economies meant tainting stability taking very cautious approach not to assume that economies are particularly in europe suddenly doing well enough for anything dramatic to occur yet at the same time she will have to be very careful because they're not that many tools left in a sense of forty east cb to play with a so there i think she will need expert ecconomic advice on the technical side but what will be very important is to first of all established prestige in total credibility in the markets particularly in europe which i think she has because of her contact because of her connection with the different governments and what you accomplish eddie i m f i i think also she will be in a very interesting position along with these new had a d a e q commission and counsel of dealing with rhetoric because brexit is not only the politically set of issues but it's very much also the set of issues what policy or the bank of england take what will be into a relationship between d e c b and the bank of england what may be the impact so she will immediately be throwing much more into that and it will also a beer question a basically a very carefully and slowly monitoring growth in in europe so i guess as you were talking about the need for this sort of politically savvy i'm struck by the counter argument this idea the more political a central bank heddon gets the less economic focus it will become and the more frankly arbitrary policy will become are hinged on v popular sentiment of the time and i'm just wondering you know is is that a concern of your's is there has eight historical precedent in terms of an increasingly politicals central bank gives you comfort rather than pause i'm not sure that these central bank or any central bankroll necessarily respond to more popular sentiment and in fact if anything we've seen with the fed were jerome powell really did bility to push back on sudden and acute political pressure so i think that a it's an issue of suddenly seeing the central bank of the east cbs functioning as an arm of german policy i don't think that'll be the case i think right now what it does show is a much tighter german french partnership which clearly brilliantly orchestrated bringing in german woman now as you or so of underlying as and you you commissioner a precedent and a fishing guide at b a e c be that one element which yes is more politically but fundamentally what we saw withdraw game what we seem to have seen all along with the fed they seem to be very cautious and more responding to in fact all of the economic phenomena in fact a rather than a responding more at hawked any particular a sentiment irene hunting men thank you so much for joining us today irene funnel hunting men is adjunct professor of international affairs at columbia university versity in new york talking about christine lagarde nomination to head b e c k initially we talked about floss chain is sort of sexy unknown thing though is relieved the disruption of traditional currencies now it is actually got a little bit more on the back burner and yet it's been increasingly adopted as a mainstay a lot of industries and here to talk about it so why say is brigitte of red crowds and she is senior vice president of global industries clients pot platforms on block chain for i b m brigitte thank you so much for being with us you purse just talk a little bit about be adoption of block chain across a variety of industries so far yes thanks lisa for having me on the show stem so heavy talk about it so yes there's been a lot of hype as you said around be crypto and elements on the currency elements of block chain but the real aspect of block chain allows is very complex 'em multiparty purchases workflows between on customers competitors and industries can be safely stored and exchanged in a way that they can timmy shed between all participants end one something is put on a block chain it can't be changed we talk about it being immutable which means that anything that needs to show provenance will actually work fantastically testicle beyond a block chain so we are working with many enterprise blockchain's across does this industries like shipping which we've got some big news i'll talk to you about later but also crust and provenance for food and food safety diamonds and jewelry commodities trading on an energy trading off the grid 'em carbon credits plastic recycling and so it's really a in real life aspects for big big industries like food food and an shipping but also small industries like micro finance and kenya where we as she has a micro finance blocking averaging we're excited to see the real work so give us a sense of how block chain is being used in the global shipping supply dream yes so so that that that poll so so actually just yesterday we announce that on a trade lanes are open a shipping a block chain for the shipping industry has not we've announced that we have to new members lloyd an oh any and this follows the news an inmate at sea amazed pgn and mediterranean shipping company would be on the platform we started this a couple of years ago with most end we are now in a situation nation way fifteen ocean kerry aligns 'em are on the block tranquil trade lens i block chain animals and hall of the world ocean contain a coat cargo will be available on this block chain so so with a hundred do xyz already hundred participants already so why this is important and what's the block chain impact well if you think about it ninety percent of everything we use everyday is shift of the oceans it is the most primary area constable end there's an estimate that around twenty percent of the cost of shipping in iden is in documents and end time wasted because of the documentation so an average average simple shipment will have around two hundred documents exchange around three hundred different people involved all on paper well on defense systems and so what we're able to do is we've created an integrated trusted block chain platform way every participant in the shipping being cycles i think about a fight for the the piss news shipping the goods the kariya's accustoms supports a the the the vm kerry at the line ikaria will all share that data on the block block chain and be able to see instantly in this kind of like one version of the truth so what that allows you to do right is that anyone can quickly pinpoint way they call goes located the state of its availability at that reduces porton tunnel congestion which uses tom 'cause we juices customs and inspections delayed 'em and ultimately shortens delete time so read it and then sorry go ahead well i i really wanna pick up on on one point you said that twenty percent of shipping costs stemming from the documentation process and i'm just wondering if you could address how much you expect using the block chain for the shipping industry could reduce the cost so so we we we we're using data axios supplied by the world economic forum in the world economic forum believes that reducing barriers within the international supply chain which means we need the things i've talked about you know speeding speeding up reducing documentation and increasingly times on reducing delays reducing spoilage cook things all sitting there there's a view that that could increase gdp worldwide gdp by five percent and total trade value by fifteen percent so those are those are those are significant and if you think about it economic impact on factors both in terms of reducing costs but also an important increasing inclusion for people to be able to access ship globally anti export so so again using the world economic forum is a an estimate that improve these kinds of improvements would improve on by ron fifteen percent so we we we're we're we're we're we're one of the reasons i think that the whole industry is is really stepping up on getting involved fault in this book chain that benefit every participant in this ecosystem just solve the problem could be solved in another way that is fascinating i mean the five percent gdp lift would be a monumental what the see how that plays out brigitte van college and thank you so much prejudice senior vice president of global industries clients platforms end block chain for i b m broadcom tries again after the debacle with qualcomm broadcom it now i in advanced talks to buy cyber security firm symantec a corporation cyber security obviously very hot field right now given how many threats are from hackers joining us now to talk about the deal mandy things senior tech industry analyst for bloomberg intelligence very much in it'd be office unprecedented analyzing this deal on this pre july fourth day in new york city so hi mandy but what can you tell us about this deal but you find most interesting well this deal is very similar to what broadcom did with ceo last year and a water tells you is the company's trying to diversify from hardware software after it's fairly obvious the steel has the exact same kurtz districts four billion dollars in revenue from semantic and the company's semantic has been a you know under performing for the last three years when you look at the cyber security market which is extremely fragmented semantic hasn't been able to turn itself around there had four ceo changes and now you know they don't even have a permanent ceo so looks like it's right in the playbook of coq ten the ceo broadcom broadcom she really could execute on this one and there are some synergies that obviously will come about this deal gets announced these broadcom folks are really active on emanate from lisa mentioned qualcomm that deal was blocked by president trump they bought cea last year is the street backing up a this management in this board in terms of this aggressive acquisition policy they are an broadcom is a serial acquire you can see that you know it's something that i feel it's in the dna of the company funny and they executed very well so if there's anybody out there you know when it comes to large tax that can really turn around semantic and fix it it's gonna be broadcom and and so from that perspective it makes a lot of sense when you talk about synergies what are they they do you think of broadcom as being hardware story and i think of as mad as being a software company sure so a what broadcom has showed cea integration is obviously there are some revenue synergies because they cater to an enterprise customer base so semantics revenue half of it comes from enterprise so over there you could see now that broadcom has a footprint in infrastructure software bitsy integration they can really leverage semantic on the enterprise side on the consumer seamer side richard semantics flack ship norton product and the lifelock business i'm not sure of there any minute synergies special under such revenue side on the cost side yes there are some synergies that will come about simply because this this company is too big their sales and marketing expense is a very high for semantic and you can see there are some costs synergies over there so obviously this deal has not been announced a speculating that it will kearney census devaluation i'm looking at broadcom stock down about almost four percent since today is there a risk that they might overpay well one thing is they're more likely to go for stock deal simply because of broadcom trade said about five or six times sales symantec trade said about three four times sales so i can see you know why abroad com may be interested in using their stock more and we've seen that with salesforce you know buying tabloid with an all star offer so given the leverage situation a with broadcom's they're more likely plea to use a some stock here one thing i'm curious about is why is broadcom's so aggressive why is their playbook acquisitions to such a degree well look at it this way broadcom's a dna at the company honey is built around hardware they're really trying to you know a a an end hardware businesses have lor if the margins operating margins so i think what software gives them in this case semantic has operating margins over thirty percent so now with cea end symantec broadcom's so operating margin profile goes up simply because softer businesses are attractive so are we going to see more emanate here in the security cyber security space i mean lisa correctly pointed out that boyd it's it's a hot area do you think we're gonna see more consolidation they're absolutely cyber security is one area in this off the softer and market that's very fragmented there are new attacks happening every day their new companies popping up everyday that solve those attacks and you know the fragmentation a is a nightmare for enterprises because they're just putting bandaids you know putting one solution on top of another entitlement enterprise perspective they want to see some consolidation in the cyber security space so we've already seen the likes of paolo alto end for net and you know the nexgen firewalls security companies being acquisitive you're gonna see more outfit i think with this deal i feel like people just wanna throw all the smart people in cyber security at programming in a room and they just go figure out what's next i say if i were young engineer coming out of school i'd be like i'm gonna be us forget these apps thing i'm gonna be a cyber security expert because that's just like a growth second industry for a kit forever do you have time to have lunch with my son oh

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July 5: Hear from Kyle Marcelli and Denny Hamlin!

Raceline Radio

35:16 min | 1 year ago

July 5: Hear from Kyle Marcelli and Denny Hamlin!

"Post to coast in Canada across North America and around the globe on the World Wide Web this is race line on the race line radio network presented by Subaru and race line is driven by the twenty thousand Subaru wrx and wrx sti the a typical sports cards why the Subaru VR's Ed the attainable sports car. That's fun, drive and by General Tire. Anywhere is possible. It's your Subaru candidate. Candidate presentation of your National Radio Motorsport Authority the race line radio network I'm Eric Thomas host anchor still working out of the home studio will Weber. Is Our supreme commander and Race Line Master Control Jerry Yang with pre-production and Josh Santos Manning the network for us this week coming up on the program, the very latest Kobe nineteen impact as for the very first time since this pandemic changed. Changed Our world all the major series, or just about are back at it with restrictions, of course, IMSA and sports car racing, willing again or will be soon, so we reconnect with Canada's Kyle Martelli on getting buckled back into the tin talks Denny Hamlin comments on the Nice role. He's on right now in NASCAR Cup. Whilst a few more entries and comments for the Subaru Race Lonnie email bag. Bag Trivia contrast another chance for you to win our grand prize pack in the race rap news. It's all aboard F. One finally opens in Australia Nascar and Indycar on the bricks and the road course at Indianapolis and Zanardi. Recovery is still guarded SOFA race fans everywhere powerful sport powerful radio. It's our twenty eight eighth year on the air across Canada. This is the race line radio, network. This is Joseph New Garden and you're listening to race. Line, Radio, Eric Thomas Race Line on the race line radio network, Latest News and opinion here we go on the race line race rap here is latest results and news around nineteen for the first time since this pandemic swept across our sport, all the bigs back in action, Formula One leads it off the kick off the holiday season I back runs in Australia at the red bull ring, no fans masks for all and the most entertaining f one race we have seen in. In Years High attrition, contact and penalties Galore Mercedes Voltaire, Botas Toss wins at leading flag to flag, but Ferrari Charlotte Clare bumped a second win. Lewis Hamilton was penalized for taking out Alex Alvin Landau Norris third, a rare podium badly needed for. McLaren Hamilton. Fourth vessel all the way down in chant, the biggest story though retirements nine. That's right. Nine knocked out mostly with power issues for stopping Ricardo and Canada's land. Stroll all done before. This thing was twenty laps. Laps Old Toronto's Nick. Latifi finished eleventh in his F one debut for Williams. They go again next weekend. The twelve, still in Austria F one file circuit of the Americas promoters say it's too early to call, and whether or not there Texas track will host GP this year it has pencilled in on its original date of October the twenty fifth. It could be preceded by the Canadian. Grand Prix Montreal for tsn six ninety. We are now told is tentatively slated for. For. October, the eleventh Thanksgiving weekend deal can be struck with Quebec authorities, then followed by Mexico on the first of November and Brazil on the eighth of November. There are trying to fly. You say as little as possible around covid nineteen very sensible indycar July fourth independence day this on the Indianapolis Road Course, and after taking Texas and Indie Scott, Dixon his perfect at two for two, he dominated for win number forty, eight, indeed, just four shy of Mario Andretti. Andretti now for second on the all time list. A J foyt number one by the way was sixty-seven Canadians at indy. Dalton Kelly one of our guests next week? twenty-first for J. foyt James Hinchcliffe wound up eleventh NASCAR late started Indianapolis and one of my greatest fears, somebody catches see nineteen at one of these races and seven time cup champs, Jimmy Johnson and wife Chandra have tested positive. Johnson replaced by just an AL in the number forty eight at Indianapolis Jimmy. Jimmy sure does appreciate all the good thoughts as to take quick second in, thank everybody for their support attacks. The phone calls you know the sport on Social Media very thankful for all the well wishes so far Jimmy and Chandra are not showing symptoms and the girls, non-euro genevieve and six year old Lydia have tested negative. There's a Canadian footnote to this oddly enough. The last time, the number forty eight was driven by someone other than Jimmy Johnson Calgary's. Calgary's Trevor Boys at Pocono way back in nineteen ninety-three, but could this be the year of the Hamlin, always a favorite to win the championship, but the Joe Gibbs stalwart has not grabbed that as of yet into indy four wins. Is The cup high at the moment? Denny, one race number two at Pocono still trying to get used to doing it all fan Lewis apart. It's definitely different. Fisher when you're on a roll like we are wish I could live it. It up in excited, and can hear the fans you know. Get a big issue and you suck and all that stuff, but maybe another day well Hamlin has a unique sense of humor that is for sure. Oh, see nineteen, still making large indoor gatherings dangerous this year's NASCAR. Champions weekend awards gala originally slated for Nashville canceled the Cup xfinity and truck champions are gonNA be faded at the end of the season instead xfinity at indy on the indy-car. Chase Briscoe in a thriller. What a race! This was, and what a finish! 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Those are the west coast vintage racers with one exception competitors. We'll be allowed four new tires for reach event for a twenty lap remain at a thirty lap, a main sounds like a blast indeed and switching costs President Jason, foster has had to cancel the twenty twenty championship for the Maritime League of Legends Tour. The cancellation is due to currency, nineteen restrictions and both Pe. And Nova Scotia, limiting outdoor gatherings for sporting events with half of the season, currently lost her in jeopardy of being canceled after talking with the host. Ben Used a series of no choice but to pull the plug on all remaining races on the tour. It's a shame, but it's happening up and down our network, and that's it for this week on the race. Wrap your questions, your opinions and comments on headlines. Our News always welcomed. Let's hear from urologist safe. 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I'm Eric Thomas simply great to have you along for the ride 'em, says sports car championships finally back underway at Daytona Sports car series opening up July eighteenth at sea bring Florida very very carefully with see nineteen numbers out of control really in that state, but one of Canada's busy, a sports car pilots Toronto is ready to go regardless and get back at it in both IMSA and S R. R O machinery around this pandemic very nice to get reconnected with Kyle, Marcel part one on race line radio. It seems that during this covid nineteen pandemic all the days, and even months now seem do all blurred together, and I've talked to more than one driver, and obviously over the since it started in their finding the same thing. How about you? You're finding that you know what day is today? You know that kind of thing you do. Are you running into that? One hundred percent I think you hit the nail on the head there the days the days just blend together. I was chatting with my wife over dinner last night. Just trying to think back to when this whole thing started You know the the things that we've that. We've accomplished the sort of a long list of things that we've done. During this time we We were in the process of just wrapping up a new home bill just before this. Kid So. It was sort of a blessing in disguise that that I could spend some time at home. Wrap up a bunch of projects around the house and and of course you know. The the the race simulator stuff is is still to fill the void. But we've been keeping busy in the days of just flying by Yeah Yeah you and your family are well. You touched on your wife having dinner, I mean I. Ask everybody that's has guested with me during this situation, covid nineteen that you guys are fine. You guys are good. I mean taking as many precautions as you think you might try to stay away from people who don't for some unknown strange reason, but the you guys are OK though I trust. Yeah, yeah, we're good. Thank you. Knock on wood. I don't I don't even know anyone. I don't have any close. Relatives or friends been affected medically By the virus so good hopefully we can keep it that way, and we just sort of doing our part at the beginning of this whole thing. I remember We were very very strict. being indoors. I think it was two weeks we didn't. Now! You know now I think everybody's slowly starting to open up their doors, but still precautious in the sense that we've got an sanitizer. Never vehicle we on. Keeping your hands clean and covering faces. When wrote and things like that Carl? Marsili drives in the s our GT world challenge in the challenge on race line radio him back on. You mentioned the I racing would certainly was a nice bridge between. sequestering and hunkering down, and not doing anything, and then getting back slowly. How extensive was your I racing? And did you find that it did plug that gap between activities? Yes, it was kind of bittersweet for me. I Don a simulator I have worn. I. I originally built. Mine seems like ten years ago and so when this again when this pandemic hit, it seemed like you know all sports sort of took to the virtual world and Yup and motor sports seem to do that in a big way. And very early on. I was asked from HP. You know that hey, if I if I've got a simulator and I, have the ability. They would really like me to to participate and drive the accurate in a sex. In what was called the central core competency owning that was the theme you dealing? That, we used it basically mimics the the GT world challenge championship, so as those exact cars and tracks and food. which was really cool and of course I went into it with a boatload of confidence. and. Eager, to get back to racing, but I was I was shown. What's up pretty quickly? As I struggled keep the car on the road at earth and string more than one lap together but by the end I was I was getting a bit, and we had a couple. Good races Cracking inside the top five but that world is just so new to me in and more often than not I found myself at the packer. I tried. You know a number of different things with with the equipment You know the computer matters so much in your your your even monitor I found it. Even plays a significant role does refresh rates and things like that. That's just a very new world from being I haven't got. It figured out yet, but at some fun. In the meantime the fund is the is the main word Paul Tracy a good idea. He thought that some of the. The racing sanctions should keep this thing going especially over the winter. When you guys aren't racing to sort of keep you guys, sharpen and do you. Can you see yourself maybe carrying on with the I racing to sort of stay sharp, we know what an awful lot of drivers especially f one in the rally. Guys use the I racing Sims, the simulators to keep themselves sharp. Could you see yourself doing you know doing that and following that through? Yet, totally I mean it for me. It just comes down to to being competitive and. That's that's the nature of of the sport and a competitor in me as a racing driver I don't. I don't WanNa do anything that I'M GONNA. You know finish last at so. You know the on again when it comes to that. Virtual World I've got a lot to learn and I've been leading on some of the some of the experts in that industry to get up to speed, so there is part one with Kyle Marcilly on the resumption of sports car racing around nineteen on race line radio part partout comes up in our second guest segment. Okay well, let's break off yet. Another pitstop up ahead. Our world famous Subaru Race Line Mail bag trivia contest. This is the race line radio network. Is Jimmy. Johnson and you're listening to reese line radio. Canada's National Radio Motorsport Authority the race line. Already on that Burke I'm Eric Thomas. You can check out my Thomas. Tales columns, an inside track motorsport newsmagazine. You can also view Thomas Tales at sports net DOT CA so here we go once again with the Subaru Race Lonnie mailbag trivia contests, yes, the grand prize pack to win and qualify by answering the Subaru. Trivia questions correctly in your email. Comments entries go into the brake drum with a winner drawn at random at the end of the on track racing season. We will get there eventually. Promise the. The current qualifying question is this here one? The twenty twenty two subaru wrx s ti reported to come with added engine power. That's always good. How many horsepower is the next generation wrx? Sti projected to put out. I shall repeat the question. The twenty twenty two Subaru wrx STI reported to come with added engine power. How many horsepower is the next gen? wrx Sti projected to put out okay us. Eric at race line radio DOT CA to connected enter the Trivia contest to win the prize pack that's Eric at race line radio DOT CA capital are. Then, the symbol at and then race line radio squeeze it together like one big word dot ca eric race, line radio DOT CA to get in here facebook and instagram and other way in race line radio network one big word there to get in and on twitter at et race line. Okay at race line. Let us now go to the mail bag to get some contest. Entries are good reliable buddy. Paul. Anton Dearborn Heights Michigan. Listens a faithfully Sunday nights eight PM. On the Information Station am eight hundred CK L. W. Windsor that of course covers most of the state of Michigan. Out Too well parts beyond you don't know. It's very very powerful radio station at fifty thousand Watts at eight hundred. It goes, you can get it on your toaster. You really can't I'm exaggerating, but gives you an idea. There are other region anyway. Paul has been listening for a long long time since the very beginning actually and is a former grand prize pack winter. He can enter as many times as he wants. He can win as many prize pack says he wants it. As a matter, there's no restriction will like in. This contest seems to work better. Better that way. He starts it off this way. Eric Hope you and your family. Members are continuing to do well and staying safe. During this corona virus situation I continue to appreciate the efforts you put forth in your weekly race on radio show I hear every Sunday evening on C. K.. O. W. AM eight hundred at eight PM I appreciate hearing the F. Update by James Neilson from inside track motorsport news a on your June twenty eighth show. Thank you very much. You're very welcome. We always like to stay in touch with the with James Near. F One specialist and of course inside track motorsports news as the print partners of the race and radio network another entry for your Trivia Quiz. The twenty twenty two subaru wrx Ti supposed to come without engine power how many HP as the next generation engine projected to put out his answer is. To have horsepower correct way to go. I'm not going to give you the answer, but now you know it's okay so now. Paul can come in here and you can. Any normally does really floods. The break drama. That's okay so That's the way to work this thing. You're longtime listener from Dearborn Heights Michigan. There is a Paul Anton and we do appreciate his input on his listening every week. Mark Van Nuys and I again I hope I'm pronouncing his name right I. wanted to send this in I. Know this may not be as it intended. which your comment on who needs NASCAR overlooks the decisions that put to Kyle Larson where he is, and as far too common I understand second chances I know he's probably going to make reparations in a quiet fashion. I applaud that, but let's not forget how he got there. And what the destination is to normalize this I wanNA believe people are good when they're action, show you otherwise. You need to take that as a sign as well. And and I and I wrote back to mark, and I appreciate him listening, and for his remarks I, said, did you hear my comments? NASCAR and chip Ganassi fired Larson for using a racial slur during an race far from overlooking. Overlooking, his indiscretion I made it clear I did not condone what he said. My stance on the record, Larson was ordered to take insulin sensitivity training before he be allowed to race again a NASCAR and the world of outlaws and I hope that he has learned his lesson I appreciate the feedback, and for listening mark and a new appreciate that. No, it wasn't trying to be Flynn at all. He? You know why he was banished. FROM NASCAR he may go back. You never never know, but we'll keep our eyes on that situation, and we thank mark for his note. So censure contest, entries or comments, you can use Eric. Radio DOT CAD connected. Enter the qualifying question. The two thousand twenty two Subaru wrx. STI supposed to come without engine power. How many horsepower is the next gen? wrx Sti projected to put out. Let's set up for the pit, stop and part. Two of the interview was sports car frontliners Kyle Marcel. A this is race line presented by Subaru for more on the VR'S ED sports to simply go to Subaru dot ca slash ERS ed. It's all there for you. Don't you? Dare go anywhere. We're far from done. This is the race line radio network. This is Scott Dixon and you're listening to race. Line radio. Canada's National Radio Motorsport. Authority are twenty eighth consecutive season on the air across Canada. We are the race line radio network all the major racing series, or just about finally underway or back underway around this global covid, nineteen pandemic, including North American sports car racing IMSA back at it at Daytona. As we're speaking others series what you can do a few more weeks to bring Florida very tricky business, though with the case numbers down there out of control but writing. Writing Role, a Toronto sports car racing veteran, who is strapping into both inside and s our automobiles this season, so here's part two with Omar Sally on Race Line Radio, some drivers are doing various things physically to keep themselves in shape. Somebody said No. I'm not necessarily a gym rat. Are you a gym rat? Kyle? Yea, in the sense that I to across prostate Jim and I I don't know cross. It's a bit of a culpa. Guests I don't know. I I love that form of exercise intensity competition driven workouts, and unfortunately gyms have been closed. Family are the owners of our cross Jim has also taken online and we've been able to sort of chime in over zoom and do some to some virtual work together. IMSA against going July Fourth Day Tony. Are you starting at the same time once we fire back up here, call. we actually kickoff one weekend later at burn interest rates, so I'm driving for core motorsports in. The Aston Martin Gt four That's part of the some challenge so thankfully, our schedule has remained the same ten events. We haven't lost any events which which is great, they just sort of been rescheduled and right good. We're GONNA. Run into November now, so yeah, we we. We've started off with Daytona January We had a fifth place. Result the car and then seabourn bowl. Ring his race to July, yeah, exactly Kyle Marsili on radio, talking some sports car racing one arm of the sports, certainly affected by the COVID, nineteen pandemic and getting going disconcerting for the drivers who have a certain date in mind. They're pointing at it and you talked about I racing. You talked about your physical training, but the mental part of saying all of a sudden that that goal line to get going and jump in the car is moved a lot further downfield. Did you find that a little uncomfortable Some drivers have you know different ways of dealing with that unforeseen delay. What about you? Say it. It's just it's strange. I've never had an off season this long. You know we, we wrap the years up in October. November, we're off for a couple of weeks, but we're back testing again in December and racing again in January, so it's strange to have You know really done nothing. Since March Shrek good three about four months. Yeah, nothing you know so you kind of forget in a sense what what certain certain aspects of the Lake And I think it'll make it challenging. Actually in some senses upon the return because the events have now been condensed i. mean see it Nascar. They're going right into racist, but thankfully, at least we get a practice and qualifying though but. Overall the events are still gonNA be condensed. We're going to be forced to get up speed quicker and You know I think the engineering. The pre-race prep is all going to play a bigger role than it was before. Yeah, I think you're right. I think you're right now. You say you're starting in. See bringing you know what the Cova case numbers are doing down there. There are spiking no doubt it s our Owen IMSA has sent through directives about social distancing wearing masks. Are you competent enough that you can at least get going here safely? Because right now? That state is not necessarily safe when it comes to cove nineteen. No yeah you hit the nail on the head and I've been hearing it from a few people now I. Try not to walk too much news myself. Yeah I, understand yeah. I chime in here and then You know the series of have I done everything they can in order to get going again and I. I mean. They've put a lot of new procedures and protocols in place. There's no more drivers meeting. Everything's again. We Log Online Joe Meeting. guys wearing face masks We're getting checked. You know on entry the track every day. Good you know, I, think my biggest concern is just the travel to get. They're lying. I'm going to have to fly and. I mean. There's only so much precaution. You can take as true. Sometimes it's just unavoidable well, and you're going to rely on people's intelligence and and selfishness, and sometimes it's not necessarily a good thing. sports car racing in general has been affected by this virus in a big way. I mean the twenty four hours of Lamont has been delayed until the fall What can you do? It is what it is. The question is you know sports car racing in as good places it can be with this pandemic, and if the the pandemic wasn't around, you think that going in two thousand twenty. It's as healthy as. It could always be better. You can always make changes and always make it better, but in your mind. The sport of sports car racing in general, pretty good shape, even though the Kobe is here. Yeah pre-coded I would say twenty twenty was looking like a very healthy year. good you know with sponsoring president manufacturer participation in. Our car counts were were respectable. you know across both championships in North America you know since Kovic. We've seen obviously some shocking news with with certain manufacturers pulling out of out of running them all. You, know we've seen other manufacturers. pull the plug on their entire. Factory program the end of this year And, then we've seen a couple of privateer. Teams announced that they're just going to sort of sit tight and wait a little longer and see how things play out, so it is scary in a sense but I I am I have confidence that it'll rebound pretty quickly. once we get going I mean if you're involved in motor sports. You. Generally, there's there's sufficient backing. You know in in place, not cheap sport to be involved with an older place. No, you're right so. I mean we'll see thankfully. Both programs I'm a part of has has sort of been now that we're continuing as planned so there's no changes there, which is which is great. Time time'll tell commerce selley drives the SRO GT world challenge the challenge on Race Line Radio. They get going at sea. Bring here in a in a few weeks around covid nineteen. What about you and your own career Kyle? We've known you for a long long time. Certainly one of the the more notable Canadian sports car racers. Are you content where you are in this arm of the sport right now? I'm content, but again the competitor in me. The you always want to drive, no pun intended you. WanNa push forward for more Of course you know. When when I was when I was young and racing go karts The dream was to was to raise the American lemon series. You know I was a kid at most four watching Ron fellows and That was that was the goal and debuted in the American monetary and twenty ten. And, so we check that box and it's you know. Since then it's been year to year contracts there it's it's. It's a volatile board, and there's really no stability, but. Then very blessed to have Have Employment for the last ten years. and then you know that the next goal was was really to establish a relationship with the manufacturer and I Game I've looked at what ron has done with with GM. you to help you race career with him, and then you know than healthy ambassador role afterwards. and I think that's that's the perfect scenario for for any sports car driver in sport. Is You know to build that that loyalty to a brand Last year we had A. we had a good year it was. The accurate and effects in and we won the championship Yup. And and so this year, it's actually turned into a relationship directly with the factory now and so I worked directly through HP. And I'm provided to racers motor. Sports the team that's operating the two cars, so it's a step in the right direction. Good Rio now we just need to continue to perform its opposite results based industry. We need to win races and. We need to sell cars. That's the main thing. Hopefully we can keep We can keep that relationship Leiberman many years to come absolutely is. It's good to hear your head. Space is still good, and we certainly follow you. stringently through which what you're doing, and it's been A. It's been a delight to watch what you're what you're doing. Listen the best of luck and for crying out loud. If you're heading to Florida to get going here, you know all you can do is. Is Control what you do. Stay apart as best you can. Where your mask in because we want to see you get going obviously, but we certainly want you to do. It safely caused, so thank you very much for this time. We're totally out of it. We've enjoyed the visit again and a good hunting safe as you can. As the series are involved with this here in sports car racing. Get going. Thanks much time, my friend. It's always a pleasure Eric and recline radio. Thanks for having me. Kyle Mars selling resumption of North, American sports car racing race online radio now he did mention ron fellows and Canadian tire Motorsport Park and it's ironic that they're event. The only event candidate wise on the schedule for July fifth this weekend as we're talking of course had to be cancelled because of covid nineteen, they will be back at Ct.. Next year all right well, let's fire up that final. Stop Them. We're back to the last last week. Show guest lineup and more. This is race line presented by Subaru powered heart pounding. S. T. for all things wrx. Subaru DOT CA slash wrx. This is the race line radio network. 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Thai Cave Rescue | Risk | 3

Against The Odds

47:10 min | 5 months ago

Thai Cave Rescue | Risk | 3

"Join one replaced. Listen to against the odds one meagerly and add free in the wondering app. Download the app in your apple or google play mobile app store today july first nine days since the wild boar soccer team went missing and the tom luang cave. And there's finally a break in the rain. Rick stanton and john von are early eager to extend the guideline inside the cave guidelines provide a roadmap for the darkness frigid waters tactile compass in the dark. The dive is an easy. The current is still strong. Were they managed to lay additional seven hundred and fifty feet of rope past the t junction before they turn back at the post. I meeting with the american special ops and the thai seals water guru. Tanit nazi tells. The group has pumps are operating at full capacity. Yesterday mates the water table inside. The cave has gone down about twenty feet. Major hodges looks around the room. His eyes settling on rick and john. Well gentlemen looks like the sleeping. Princess has given us a window if anyone can get in there. It's you it's what the british divers have been waiting to hear since they arrived four days ago. It's go time the next morning. Rick is relieved to see. The rains are still holding off. He knows it can't last but he'll take it. He looks at his dive partner. John what he say. Mate john grins. I'd say it's a good day to die. The two men make their way through a cluster of blue tents to the command center of the navy seals for a final free dive meeting inside. A large group has already started to gather divers who have flown in from all around the world eager to help the american special ops stand off to the side. But today it's the navy seals. Everyone looks to this is their country. These are their sons. Rick settles into a chair on one side of a folding table. John slides in next to him when the room quiets down. The seals commander outlines the plan. Today we push we must get past bettayeb beats before the monsoons come again. The british divers will go in first they will the guidelines pass bettayeb beach to chamber nine. Once they are done the seals will come behind. Define the boys. It's better this way. Brick looks at john and shrugs he always figured the seals for takeover. They speak the same language as children and they need a win. But both rick and john know if they get past bettayeb beach they will keep pushing too late every last inch of their guideline or until the air runs out when the meeting breaks up. The men sit down with verne. Unsworth vern is a fellow brit. Who has been exploring and mapping the cave for more than five years. He knows the tight jagged passages and cavernous chambers better than anyone. Vern hands the to map. The cave drew from memory and points to an ex. That's chamber nine. It's about three hundred yards past bataille it's elevated and dry. There should be an air pocket. Bear if the boys are alive. That's where they'll be. And john studied them out carefully committing it to memory two and a half miles through cold dark water. Some passages are so tight a single man can hardly squeeze through. It will take at least four hours one way. If they start in the early afternoon they should be backed by ten at the latest. Assuming goes wrong. John are quiet as they prepare their gear. They don't know what lies ahead but they're calm. They know. emotion isn't a cave divers friend by the afternoon. They're ready to go as they make their way along the mountain path to the cave. They passed the shrine of the sleeping princess. Rick glances in fresh fruit and offerings have been laid at our feet by the parents and friends of the soccer team. They hoped to appease her social take mercy on their sons. The men climb the steps to the cave entrance. It's now a pack of walked more than a dozen times. Rick turns to his partner. You ready. John gives a quick nine. Then the two men step into the entrance and are swallowed up by the cave against the odds is sponsored by. Adt with everything that's going on these days. Couldn't we all just use a little piece of mind for. Adt your safety. Insecurity has always been the top priority. That's why they're the leader in home security. At provides twenty four seven rapid response monitoring from their nine owned and operated call centers. That's the largest security network in the us say another thing to love all adt. Employees are taking critical measures to help protect everyone's health including offering contactless installation and extra protective sanitation procedures. Be an everyday hero by staying safe at home while. Adt help protect you and your loved ones get started with adt and get low flexible monthly payments to fit your budget. When it matters most trust adt visit adt dot com today for monetary. I'm mike corey and this is against the odds in our last episode. Rick stanton and john boehner arrive in thailand to help rescue twelve boys and their soccer coach. Who had been missing inside a flooded cave without food or water. There are two of the best cave divers in the world but they quickly realized they've never encountered anything like this strong currents frigid water and endless rain. It makes the cave nearly impassable now that the raina subsided as a brief opening and rick and john are going in this episode three risk. A dual sim soman sits on a stone leads in the darkness listening to the breeding of his teammates and coach. He's no longer shore or night in the cave. It's impossible to tell how much time has passed. Most his teammates are sleeping. They sleep a lot now. Starvation has weakened everyone system. A dual stretches his soccer jersey over his thinning legs and leans back against the hard rock wall. The hunger is no longer painful but dull and constant. He tries to sleep but it's hard. He keeps hearing roosters and dogs somewhere in the distance and then he hears something much closer. He looks over at coach. Who is starting to stir or those voices someone check. I'll go a dual offers. He feels for the flashlight. And flips it on the light flickers dimly shimmied down along the rock towards the water scanning the shadows when he gets to the edge. He sees two dark figures emerging out of the depths. They're cloaked in armor of black rubber beams of light. Shoot out of their heads in time pillow. One of the figures calls back. Hello they're not monsters. They're men in diving suits to figures. Slowly swim towards the bright light from their headlamps. Make a dual winds. These must be rescuers. They're found her. How how many birthday burger duels mine moves quickly. How will they get out. And that's when he sees the dive bank and you'll isn't so sure how all fit in that one backpack. Maybe the divers will take the middle one at a time but the man shakes his head. Dual doesn't understand where many people are coming. We are many people low in the freezing water. John von thin. I just the gopro on his helmet trying to figure out what the boy means what days it have the boy's been here ten days or eleven how they survived this long. He calls out hurt strong very. He can't believe how calm the children are. No one is panicked or crying at. They're all so very small. A bigger bucks know that nine can't as john makes his way to the rock. Another boy calls out on tie. We are hungry and the yells. I want rice. I know. I know john feels around in a suit but they have no food. They weren't even supposed to find the soccer team. Just lay the lines. When can we leave. Ask the one who speaks english. Rick speaks up tomorrow. But we'll it p tomorrow. No one has gotten this far in the cave except the to brits he shakes off thought as he rick scramble onto the rock. The boys quickly make room chattering amongst themselves and tie. John's light starts the dim throwing them into momentary blindness to quite shit right then the light comes back on flickering softly and catching the face of a smiling boy win we all happy to rick. And john rummage through their packs and hand the boys flashlights. They may not have food but at least they can give them something until the seals arrive and can make a plan on how to extract them. And then it's time to go. As john stands up. It feels the coal then. Arms of one of the boys hugging him around his waist. Then one by one each of the boys steps forward for a hug wishing them well on their journey as the two men wade out a thought sweeps across john's mind ian rick to experienced divers barely made it to the section of the cave. How will the seals and a doctor make it this far with dive experience. This is a six hour journey underwater through jagged rocks narrow passages and heavy currents he odds are stacked against them. It's nine forty five pm on july second day. Ten of the rescue governor wrong sack has been shouldering an incredible burden for the last ten days. He's in charge of this province and all eyes are looking to him is the hope of not only people and the parents and the government but the world is in a meeting when an out of breath navy seal knocks on the door. The governor quickly steps out sir. I have news the british divers. They made it through. They found them. The governor takes a sharp breath. Are they alive. yes sir. All twelve on their coach. They're all alive in a matter of minutes. governor assembles. a press conference is announcement is broadcast all over the world. The bbc breaks into the regular program. The report everyone's been waiting to hear. We're going to bring you some breaking news. Now been coming into us within the loss few minutes. It has been reported from thailand. That rescue is have now. Lou cases the twelve boys and the coach you had been trapped in flooded caves and have found them alive across the camp in the park ranger station. The parents of the boys clap and cheer for the first time in what feels like an endless nightmare. They feel like they can finally breathe nights. Mother super luck sits on a thin matt in the corner staring at her phone. The tiny seals have posted the video taken by the british divers on their facebook page. It's star in the cave and it's hard to see who is who is pretty sure. That's her son night standing off to the side. He looks so brave to think just ten days ago she was making a cake for a sixteenth birthday. Now here he is. She looks up to see apparent onto coach. Knock who's glued to his phone nodding happily tonight is for celebration but tomorrow. A new ordeal begins now that they've found the boys. How will they get them out across camp john. Von thin is stretching. His sore muscles under the bright blue canvas tents that lodge the navy seals in rick have barely had a chance to dry off but he knows the seals have questions they all do. John takes a seat at a crowded folding table along with his dive partner. Rick across from them of the top brass from thai seals including rear admiral apple corn himself. A rep from the american special operations. It's on the far envy table. They're all meeting here to answer one question how to get the boys out. A sense of frustration looms in the air part of that frustration is political. John knows that the navy seals wanted to be the first divers to locate the boys but john's not interested in the politics of it. All he wants to talk about the next step and he knows what he's about to say won't go over well. The portion of the cave between chamber three and chamber nine was harrowing even for us. The water is cold. And you can't see a thing. It's easy to get lost diving. The boys out is not an option. The admiral asked john what he's suggesting. John looks rick chimes in. We're sorry but we don't have an answer. We can't dive them out. There's just too much risk. There needs to be a plan or people will die. Ben raymond's speaks up. Ben is the belgian diver who laid the first guideline past the t junction. He came into the meeting late but he's heard enough. What are you saying. We can't just leave them there. Is that what you're saying. Because that's not an option. We have to go in and we have to get them now. John's there's back. Ben eason interested in emotional reactions. When you pull those workers out of the cave. Yesterday it was a disaster. This is ten times that the boys will have to stay put until we have a plan. Look when we saw them they seemed. Okay ben stands up. Oh so you're a doctor. Now you know what's best for them. Raymond's stop running your mouth. You have no idea what you're talking about. Tensions are so high benz dive. Buddy has to take him outside to cool off when john comes down. He realize ben just wanted to help and he did a lot by laying that guideline but it doesn't change the facts going back into that cave without a plan makes no sense but as it turns out not everyone around that table agrees with him. It's early morning. July third less than twelve hours after. John and rick made contact with the wild boar soccer team. Four tiny seals wade into the water inside chamber. Three of the tom luang. They're on a mission. A mission no one knows about except their commanders. They planned to follow the guidelines laid by the british stivers that lead to the boys. The seals haven't told any of the international teams about this mission. Because they know they tell him not to go that. It's too dangerous but those boys are sons of thailand and these seals are done waiting. If all goes well they should be back in eight hours. It's worse than they imagined. It would be. They knew the current will be strong. But it's like a giant hydrant determined. Push them back. They hold onto the road but it's loose and sent them crashing into the walls. One diver loses his mouth piece in the force the current he gets a hold of it again and quickly wraps it around his head breathing in giving air the jagged select tight teeth below scrape their hands but they hold on one hand over the next pulling themselves forward foot by painful foot six hours later before men surface from the water into chamber nine shaken and week two of them have used up more than two thirds of their tank with those air levels. There will be no return trip. But they made it a squint up at the rock outcropping above them. Were a group of shivering. Boys are shining flashlights in their faces. When the boys see the seals insignia they break into smiles. The seals can't help but smile back the do their best to help them in up and they start talking how survived here so long. We're strong like you. The seals rummage through their bags and and pelote energy gel packs and watches. The color returns to the boys ash faces. The risks reach them was worth it. But it's not over yet a few hours behind them. a second mission is underway. Another group of seals bringing medical supplies and blankets with them. Is doctor the only problem is. The doctor has never cave dive in his life. And he's about to attempt one of the most harrowing dives in the world we get support from indeed. If you're using anything other than indeed for your hiring. you're wasting your time when you use. Indeed you're going to be able to hire great people faster only pay for the results and get back time in your schedule. Indeed dot com is the hiring site that helps you find quality candidates with indeed instant match indeed searches through the millions of resumes in their database to help. Show you great candidates instantly so you can do the part. You really need faster meeting and hiring great people. Unlike some hiring sites indeed gives you full control and payment flexibility delivering equality shortlist faster with indeed. There are no long term contracts. You can pause your account at any time and you only pay for what you need so once your quality shortlist fast you need indeed right now as a listener of our show. You get a free seventy five dollars. Credit upgrade your job post at indeed dot com slash. The odds this is indeed best offer available anywhere. Get a free seventy five dollars credit at indeed dot com slash the odds indeed dot com slash. The odds offer valid through march thirty first terms and conditions. Apply lieutenant commander. Dr balk low harpoon looks like he stepped out of a toothpaste commercial. He has a pert knows. A giant smile and ramrod straight posture earned from his years in the military usually his quick to see the humor in any situation but as he squeezes through an underwater passage between chamber three and chamber. Four of the tom long. He's not laughing. He scared mock is the head of the third medical battalion and inexperienced scuba diver. But this is as i cave dive. The seals said it would be rough but he feels like he's in a riptide to make matters worse he can't see a thing even with his headlamp just when he thinks he's moving forward into the next chamber he finds himself stuck in a tight deadline. Passage to awkwardly back out feet. I finally he gets a rhythm going hand over hand pull over poll but then something gets snagged is gear or suit on a wire or cable. Maybe iraq is mouthpieces off and he said him reeling from water. It feels like an avalanche of force. He tries to breathe but instead he finds he's gulping in water his throat starts to seize. The sweet face of his son comes into view. He whispers is this how it ends. And then his hand finds regulator floating in the mark as laid out by the sleeping princess herself grabs hold any breathes deeply. He's okay when dr bach and the other two seals finally make it the chamber nine. He's eager to take office mask and breathe fresh air but when he does he's hit with the smell. The air is and smells overpowering. Lee of human waste as he trained headlamp around the chamber he sees a group of people huddled on a raise rock embankment the four navy seals from the first mission and all twelve boys and their coach. He's surprised to see them all looking so happy mentally. They don't seem traumatized at all but their faces are skeletal. Hello boys my name. Is dr bach to help you. One of the boys looks up at him with wide eyes. Do you have food. no not yet buffoons coming. Meanwhile let's get you warm. The seals handout metallic space blankets. And one of them flips on a gopro and films. dr bach. Taking the boys vitals one by one bank examines the oldest boy night. Looks up at him doctor. Sometimes we hear noises noises. What kind of noises roosters and dogs sometimes kids. You know noises. Bach isn't sure what night means. Maybe he's just tired. But the other seals perk up. If sounds from outside the cave are getting into the chamber. Somehow maybe there's another way out. The next day on the morning of july third three of the navy seals dive out. Dr bach and three other seals stay behind with the boys. The swim back is more harrowing than the first when they come out. The other side and report backed tie command. It's clear to everyone. There is no way they can dive out. Twelve children the british right and now there's another problem. The in the cave is getting low. They're not sure how low but the air is thin and with the decision to send in the seals it means there are now four more people taking a bear but the seals also bring a sliver of hope there may be an alternate way in. The boys heard noises roosters and children. Maybe there's an opening above ground another way into the cave rear admiral corn malls over. He knows an alternate entrance is a long shot but he needs to do something and fast. The thai government has made it clear. Any operation undertaken must be zero risk. The boys must commode alive finding an above ground. Entrance is just one of the many ideas tie command considers. The first is a plan to construct a tube that's miles long and as wide as a manhole for the boys to crawl out of but they soon realize the jagged rocks and violent current would make a tube like this completely impossible when that ideas ruled out the tie efforts shifts focus keeping the boys alive inside of the cave until monsoon season ends and then the boys can walk out but oxygen levels are running low so the need to get some more air into them. The military quickly works up a plan for an auction house. That will run from outside of the cave all the way into chamber nine soon. The busy rescue site becomes even more hectic trucks rolling with schools of hose. The hose is heavy and it takes dozens of workers to enroll it and drag it into the entrance. The farther they go the harder gets but they keep going what other options they have. Rick stanton is frustrated. He can't believe the seals didn't consult anyone before they sent their teams into the cave. At least the doctor down there now. But why didn't they bring any food. But he and john have an ally master sergeant. Derek anderson on the american special ops anderson is one of the most critical thinkers in the camp and he can get things. Done the perfect skill set or a situation like this. When rick and john tell anderson what the boys need most now is food. anderson suggests 'em are east emory's or meals ready to eat our military rations. each one has about one thousand two hundred fifty calories. We have more than one hundred of them. Anderson tells the men if everyone eats one meal. A day of food will last about a week. It'll buy us some time to figure out next steps but each meal ways half a pound. How will they get them. All in rick polls attitude three feet long. We can put them in these. The tube is neutrally buoyant which means in water. It won't sink or rise that divers can pull the cargo directly behind them anderson. Grins looks like we have a plan. Anderson's team helps rick and john. Pack up the food and prepare for another long trip to chamber nine before they leave sergeant anderson hands rick a handheld device when you get in there. Let's get an oxygen reading on the chamber. If it's as bad as we think we'll need proof to show the teichmann underwater. The going is slow. The current is always a problem. But it's made worse with more than twenty five pounds of years strapped around their waste their bags keep getting stuck on the select tights. The poco like shark's teeth. Both men are strong athletes. But it feels like the cave is getting the best of but finally they breakthrough. It's good to see the boys again though. Most of them hang back. In the darkness. Of the chamber. Squinting out at the new arrivals. Rick and john holder cargo up to the muddy beachhead angry. Dr bach the only adult who speaks english. We brought food dr box miles. I know at least thirteen. People will be glad to hear that. Rick and john open up the bags and tubes for the boys to see then. They handled the american military meals to the ravenous children. One by one all right boys. This one is chicken fajita. This one is beef ravioli. and this one. it's maple. oh meal. the boy's eyes widen. It's their first substantial meal in twelve days. Rick throws a smile at john. It was a tough go but it was worth it rix. Flashlight scans over something written in mud on the floor behind the boys. It's a square checkerboard game. Small rocks are the stand ins for the checker pieces. Rick looks at one of the seals. Shrugs it's to keep their mind off things. Smart rick reaches into his bag and takes out the auction meter. That started anderson gave him. He holds it up in the different areas in the cave. John looks over rick shoulder. How's it looking. The oxygen is low fifteen percent anything below. Nineteen percent is considered hazardous. The men know that it's not a matter of if the euro run out and chamber nine. It's a matter of its late evening on july fourth day. Twelve of the rescue. The camp is starting to quiet down. The press has gone home and the workers are packing up for the day but in the americans tent. The shadow operation group has gathered to hear john's report. The regular group is present. Rick and john and the american special ops team including sergeant derek anderson. A few new divers from the uk and australia have joined. The group to the mood is subdued and quiet. Major hodges breaks the silence. how are the conditions down there in the cave. John von then speaks up. Oxygen is low and the kids will need more food soon. Sergeant anderson tells the divers they can quickly russell up more are ease. Rick shakes his head. That's not the problem. The problem is carrying extra weight to. It's already grueling dive. We need experienced divers people trained in this kind of thing. We don't have that time before the rains arrive. Hodges knows rick is right but there must be other options rick. The seals said the kids her roosters and dogs somewhere. What do you think of the alternate entrance theory not possible. There are no towns close enough for the boys to hear life and they're sitting at least a third of a mile down. I am one hundred percent certain. The main cave entrance is the only way in. And what about the oxygen pipe. The seals are working on. Is that an option. But again rick shakes his head. No there are jagged rocks and edges everywhere and the gap between chambers three and four is the size of a manhole cover. Hauer inexperienced divers going to screw together lengths of hose and push that through before the rain comes. It's like trying to shove an oversize pillow into a case. That's too small no matter what way you look at it. It creates risks so no alternate entrance. No auction knows what's left. Hodges puts it up to the room. The thai command insists on a zero risk option. Are there any at all. The tent falls silent. finally rix quietly. Unfortunately there are no zero-risk options here. Another silence then. Hodges speaks up again then we have to look at the option of diving them out again. Let's talk about odds. What do you think rick in this situation. We're looking at an eighty percent fatality rate. That means ten of them won't make it out. The divers look at the floor faces. Grim hodges gives the group a minute of the thought to sink in and then turns to a whiteboard. Okay gentlemen how do we better odds over the next several hours the divers top three various scenarios. How many divers would they need. How would they do it. And how long would it take one of the biggest challenges of emission. Like this is even if they can find experienced cave divers none of them will know the route. This isn't your ordinary cave dive. This is a one and a half mile. Trek through sharp outcroppings and tight passages that hardly fit a man unless he turns sideways added child of that one who most likely flail and panic. It's a suicide mission. Rick tells the group when we pulled out those stranded pump workers. It was a disaster. No matter which way they turned the puzzle around they keep coming back to the same number eighty percent battalion rate and still. No one wants to give out. There's an endless silence in the tent as each of them thinks through any options that might have been missed. Finally rick speaks up again. What if we sedate them. Knock them out. John is thinking the same thing with the boys weakened health. It's the only option or we risk. The divers lives to they'll need an anesthesiologist. Someone who can dive and a medical assistant hodges tells the group to call in whoever is necessary. They'll work on getting permission from the command. Still there are no guarantees in the history of the world. 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July fifth thirteen days since twelve boys and their soccer coach missing in the time of the wine cave inside the sump between two and three the thai navy seals are hard at work sambaing an auction house to pump in fresh air to the voice. One end of the hose will open indo chamber nine and the other will be attached to oxygen tanks. The plan is more likely to work. If they can get the oxygen tanks closer to the boys then it won't have to travel. As far pair of seals works as a team one seal brings tanks to the water's edge in chamber to while the other dives back and forth shuttling them to chamber three. It's tiring work but boasts seals. No the clock is ticking. Down on the oxygen in chamber nine the one traveling between the two chambers tonight as petty officer first class sam on gun. Gunning is a triathlete in his spare time and is an excellent shape. He's a loving father and husband. Who's recently retired from the navy seals. He's the kind of guy the boys in the cave would aspire to grow up to be normally. He worked security at a tie airport but when he got the call. The seals needed more divers. He was quick to volunteer as his buddy stands and chamber to waiting for goodman's to emerge. He starts to get a bad feeling is friend has been down there for too long. Finally the seal makes a decision. He dives in africa and finds gordon's body limp in the water. He grabs and pulls him out with all of his strength when he gets them up. Onto the muddy rock feature chamber two other seals rush over and start performing cpr. But it's too late. The tomlin cave has claimed its first victim in the late morning of day. Thirteen jason melanson pulls his body through the murky waters of the time. The wong towards the boys in chamber nine. It's been a few short hours and salmon. Gun must take out of the cave but the boys are still trapped. Underground and jason's been tasked with bringing in a few more. Mr es and checking oxygen levels. Jason is a member of the british cave rescue council and has probably the best cave diver in the world next to reckon john he's been on site for almost four days and now he's been pulled into action. They need to get the boys out before the rains arrive in full force and there are no zero risk options so jason is tasked with bringing a difficult question to the kits. Do they want to wait out. The reins the next three or four months or take a chance and allow the expert divers to take them out a couple of yards behind him. Is chris jewel thirty five year old. It specialists who thought of as a wonder kin in cave diving circles. Jason's glad that a familiar face has his back. This is jason's. I dive in the tom long and he soon realizes rick wasn't kidding. About the difficulty of the dive. The caves razor starve stalactites and rip roaring currents make this one of the most exhausting dives. He's ever done. He's relieved when he makes it to chamber nine and swims towards the cement outcropping ec. Some of the boys wrapped in mylar blankets. Only a couple get up and walk over. They look thin and their breathing is labored but they're alive and surprisingly calm. Jason and chris are met by dr bach. Who hasn't left the boy's side. How are the boys there. Okay considering good. I need you to translate something for me. She tells dr bach. There are two options for the children. To consider one is to stay in the cave for three or four months until the rain. Stop the second is to have expert divers rescue and take them through the dangerous underwater passages. It's a hard decision. Even for an adult he tells them they can think about it. Overnight is delivered the message and done the job looking into their frightened is he has to find a way to comfort these boys. He takes a small waterproof journal given to him by one of the seals. Ask the boys if they'd like to write messages to their parents. Their eyes light up with excitement one by one. They passed the notebook along putting down their thoughts. The people they love done in hands the book to assistant coach ache for his aac text. Bit more time than the boys did and rights with a somber. Look on his face. when has done. Jason takes back the notebook and carefully tucks into his bag and says his goodbyes is diving. Buddy jewell falls behind. They both realize this may be the last communication between the children and their parents. Jason feels the weight of the responsibility as he struggled through the merck back into the light of the outside world when jason emerges the tiny seals are waiting. He hands off the boys letters and they bring them to the ranger station or their parents. Wait for news. Within hours the notes are released to the news outlets around the world. A montage of children's voices trying to reassure their loved ones that they are okay from eleven year old. Tighten the youngest on the team. Mom dad don't worry i'm okay. Please tell yod to prepare to take me to eat. Fried chicken love you from fourteen year. Old a dual it only english speaker. I miss everyone. I really need to go back home. And from dom whose. Mother runs an amulet shop. I'm fine but the weather is quite cold but don't worry. The final note is from coach. Speak to the parents. It says all the kids are fine. There are people taking really good care of them. I promise i will take care of the children the best. I can thank you for your support. I'm really sorry to the parents. It's heart wrenching. Letter laced with guilt. But the parents don't blame coach at all. Everyone knows the rains weren't supposed to arrive for at least another month. It's the spirits who decide inside the park ranger station super sits in a corner by yourself quietly reading and rereading the letter from her son knight night loves dad and mom. Don't worry about night night. Love everybody the letters. Bring the parents hope but also serve as a reminder at there is no word on when or how the rescuers will get their children out of the cave. It's day fifteen of the rescue and the rain are back to reverse flow into the valley below on the ground. The death of officer. Salmon gunman has sent shockwaves and sadness through the camp and through thailand. He will forever be a hero to the type people. He gave his life to help save twelve children and their coach his death is a solemn reminder of just how deadly this situation is for the locals and parents. It's hard not to wonder f. The spirits are angry will be one of their boys next for many. It's time to turn to faith to white toyota minivans move through the crowd and the sea of onlookers make way. Everyone can tell that something is about to happen as the vans make their way towards the mouth of the cave. A crowd always behind when the car stops the doors open and a group of monks. Step out there were bright sufferin robes the last to emerge is crew bus sangala one of the most revered monk elders in all of thailand slowly. The procession makes its way to the mouth of the tunnel along but the elder monk is helped up the stairs at the entrance begins to solemnly negotiate with the spirit of the case he offers the spirits a wild boar a white rabbit and thirteen chickens open to exchange the boys and their coach then. The animals are tied up to a bench in the nearby jungle. Everyone praised that the spirits will take the sacrifices and spare the boys but only time will tell This is episode three of our four part series. Tie cave rescue. If you like our show please give us a five star rating and review. Subscribe to against the odds on apple. 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In The Gate #456 - Back Into Form

In The Gate

33:30 min | 1 year ago

In The Gate #456 - Back Into Form

"He was one of the first horses to stamp himself. A Kentucky Derby hopeful now the connections of Max Field Hope the lay derby will give him a chance to make it in time plus we get a template of what American racing will look like when it comes back by examining European racing which is already on the way back. It's all straight ahead on this edition of in the gate. This is in the gate. Espn's thoroughbred racing podcast. My name is Barry who can follow me on twitter at be. Abrams boys or on facebook at Barry. Abrams voice you could also get us on our youtube channel by searching in the gate. Podcast you can find on. Stitcher soundcloud tune in the apple. Podcasts arap and of course in the listen tab of the ESPN APP for the full in the gate experience. Subscribe now in the listen tab of the ESPN APP. And please take a minute to rate and review the show. Those reviews really help others find us and as we look for positive developments during the corona virus outbreak. How about if the powers that be at America's best racing discover US while they're all at home maybe just maybe we'll make it into their fan choice awards for best podcast in November? He pushing for us. We're here pushing for you. This is the second in a series of profiles of horses who stand to benefit the most from the Kentucky Derby being run in September every year. We talk what a Shoulda Coulda for horses who showed so much promise on the Kentucky Derby trail only to be taken off the trail due to injury some of the minor some not so minor this year. Of course some of those horses who would not have been ready on the first Saturday of May might very well be ready to qualify for the first Saturday of September. Last week we talked about Suzanne from BOB BAFFERT STABLE THE HORSE. We discussed this time if he reaches his full. Potential would bring to the world's foremost racing and breeding operation the one major prize. It has never won. Here's Max field. Moving up on the outside to challenge Gouverneur Morris off the far turn and Max field strides forward and takes the lead by and a half to likes. In the final Furlong Gouverneur Morris second enforceable third. The rest are far back. Max Field Up. Breathtaking Ron at the top of the stretch. Kicks clear by six Max field to win the flavor readers feature at a four Jose Ortiz. Max Field of course is owned by Sheikh Mohammed Godolphin stable which has never won the Kentucky. Derby that win by Max Field. And the breeders futurity surely had Dolphin Thinking Derby that win followed a dazzling debut. Three weeks earlier in mid-september at Churchill downs. It was expected that Max field would move onto the breeders cup juvenile in November but a bone chip in his right front ankle. Derail those plans in fact it wasn't until mid February that Max `field returned to the Work Tab so clearly a Kentucky Derby run on time would have been all but out of the question but a series of breezes one of which was the bullet work of the day at Keeneland has Max `field ready to debut in the Matt Winn stakes at a mile and a sixteenth at Churchill that race now offers fifty points to the winner to give us more insight on Max fields progress. We welcome in his trainer. Brendon Walsh. Who joins us for the first time here on the gate? It looks like Max feels engine purring. Pretty well right now. How does he look compared with last fall He looks a lot better. Sorry it'll say better still owed a lot more in know last year very fortunate frame of a horse Even into the fall but he's got a lot stronger and food into into his frame On not sure. He's quite finished yet but he's grown into beautiful big big strong horse. Now you in February Max. `Field had resumed training. And you were saying publicly. Skip the Derby maybe try the preakness or maybe a softer spot now. Put aside for a moment. The reason the schedule has been torn apart. What did you think when you heard that the Kentucky Derby would be run in September well for one? I never lied. He said we were GONNA skip. The Derby Berry was always on the cards. It was just basically we were going to have to Go about Somewhat UNORTHODOX WAY. If we still went about you know basically I wasn't going to put the horse you know doing something stupid for the sake of making the derby is what I meant. You Know An and Brien Roche two-horse Off of the lay off but Yeah for sure When they decided to move it it was too early. Vantage gives us more time just able to To give the HORSA chance and and you know if if we we end up into Derby. We'll we'll have been able to go about it the way we want to To Bury didn't to us Any any home armadillo. Let's go back to that breeders futurity in October. What did you think when you saw that? Last of I move that he made. It was quite a quite spectacular. You know one was. I surprised probably was yeah You know what I mean. We doors was very good but that really good what he actually did for especially coming from year early. Run one time in the past. But you know this horse. He he's tended to do stuff like that tends to overcome some some problems as as good horses tend to do you know he. He did it that it was very impressive for you know. We didn't expect him to do what he did as a two year old from the outset like he thought he was good for him to win his maiden first time. I was slight surprise and then to turn around and win the gray one off the back of that. Three weeks later I have to admit it was quite a large pleasant surprise. Ran That final quarter and twenty four point six five which is really good for juvenile. How have you and your staff handled the shutdown the inability to race and even to move among different tracks. It's been of Berry as it's been tough on on everybody we've managed okay We were lucky because we managed to get the horses out New Orleans before the whole thing out really shutdown. Dare call what you liked that. We just felt that things weren't going away and we literally Adema there a couple of days before everybody got stuck down there so we got lucky there. You know it was able to get them more. Assist the Kentucky and you know some of the horses from Florida revenge to get them up to Kentucky to others were kind of when they those doors in Kentucky kind of the ones that were kind of left on there but at least we had racing in Florida and we had something to train the towards you know in Kentucky. We were to her advantage out of their more. Says that were into fairgrounds? They were running hard all winter or a little bit of a fresh nick. Do they her but I could see the knelt looking Whether the doing well you know the personnel. It's been hard on everybody but the whole thing's been hard on on everyone. There's a lot more. People have a lot bigger problems than while we add. So you know we've we've managed to get through with an hopefully we get back racing in Kentucky on Saturday and everything everywhere from saw their trainer. Brendon Walsh joining us. Here on the gate. He Trains Kentucky Derby hopeful. Max Field. Who set to make a season debut in the Matt Winn stakes until not too long ago? You didn't know a the Churchill would even be able to run be which day this race would be held. Did you even have a plan B. I think like everybody or you know the horse was still a little ways from being ready to learn anyway. So my plan I I kind of set a date my mind from the middle of May with all of the horses I was. You know calling me awful if you like but thankfully it. Oh gruden the end. But I kind of had an inkling. That was always going to happen if things went on. And you know that was originally. Set for Bait Artie. I believe it was a week later so we didn't have the specific race in mind but then we found out that that the whole race was going to be may twenty third and Kinda it said into our program radio. It's worked pretty good for him. You know he should be about as ready as we can get a sure he's going to improve for for adding heroic for having the road that we put you know. It's giving US enough time to get him to get his rabies. We can get him so Hopefully we move forward from there now. You worked in Dubai for years. And then last year you went to Dubai to qualify for the Kentucky Derby with Luke Parfait who won the UAE. Derby with Max Field Dubai came to you now. You obviously know Godolphin's accomplishments and you know that the Kentucky Derby is about the only major race in the world that Sheikh Mohammed hasn't won. What does that mean to you as you train this horse it means you know it? It has entered my because back in the day when I was working for them. You know which is is a long time ago like fifteen sixty years ago gave really really trying their best to win the Kentucky Derby. Do they put a lot of money into it and they bought some really nice horses in produce. Some really nice horses settled as well. You know look like there'd be types but they couldn't quite get it don't end it was a it was a major target. Or it's still is a major target for you know even even you know if they've always tried their very best to win and we saw thunder snow a couple of years ago. You know what I mean. He would have been a very legitimate horses. If what happened hadn't happened that's That's in the past now but yeah I mean it means a lot to them. It's nice to have worked for them. Berry and to not to to have. Maybe you know one of the one of their better chances of winning the race now this year so yeah it has entered my mind and it would be fantastic to do with for in a life not even so much in Dubai but even when I was in Ireland worked for them guys on and off for years and for people who trained for the metre and there were fantastic into see and Sheikh Mohammed is a is a great man you know not just rotate racing but what they've done with. Dubai as a city in general and and it would mean an awful lot to To them and to be if we could do with his horse and maybe beyond believable if we could do something like minutes early. Speaking of your fellow Irishman the Great Aidan. O'brien brought Mendelssohn to the Kentucky. Derby he finished last it was the first time. Aidan O'Brien had ever been at the Kentucky Derby itself and the word he used to describe. The running of the race was savage physical bruising race that type of which he had never experienced in person. I say that because Sheikh Mohammed in his Halcyon days when you were there brazenly wanted to train a Derby winner in Dubai and then ship him over to win that race. Knowing what you've seen now do you think such a thing as possible It's possible Berry when you say that you mean to bring one to buy and then bring them back though to train in Dubai and then ship over with like a couple of weeks before to run and win the Kentucky Derby. I think it's I wouldn't say it wasn't a possibility. I mean we brought close Q- Last year to to do by in any thought he ran a good race in the Derby. After you know I think with the right horse you know it wouldn't be a complete impossibility but it does make it very hard because you're You know I think horses like what Aden say about about the race and you think about all you you really have to have a whore seasoned forest. It's thirty difficult to come off of the Notre Program you know European or Dubai Program but I think if you have the right horse. It's not it's not a competing possibility. No Right I think the right horse and things were to go right you know. I don't think it's completely impossible but it. It does make a lot harder because you're coming from a different program a different style of racing to an extent and And then you've got all the travelers well but Is it an impossibility? Absolutely now you've worked for a number of top trainers and top outfits Godolphin of course and here in the states trainer ready can neely among them so certainly they taught you how to train top level. Horses did these people prepare you for the media onslaught that could follow if Max `field blossoms here in the spring and summer. I think that's I think very you know we were owned a lot but in I was never in a position. Where at the star of the media but of course you read all these things but you know I think anybody. That's Goss a derby horse race thirty favorite for the first time. It's it's going to be new to them to a point. I mean we obviously had close Q- Last year and there was a lot of following for him and the fact that he had wanted Dubai and all that sand on text as maxine may turn out to be probably not. But you know I think everybody you ask anybody. That's that's you know young younger trainer and when they came with their first real good shot of winning the Derby. Everybody's had to cope with it. But it's it's exciting because he's had a Lotta following the dice and you know a lot of people interested. So it's it's it's nice you know but we just take it as it comes and hopefully it comes because I think those then it's a good sign of Is Trading and doing certainly so. We wish you the best of luck going forward down. The Derby tro within Brendan. Thank you so much for a few minutes. Thank you very. We'll we'll talk to you. What will the new normal be in racing when the big tracks start back up? It's already starting to happen that way in Europe so we'll go there to get a look when we come back. Welcome back to win the gate before we get to our discussion on how our friends across the pond or getting back to racing or not as the case may be. I WANNA pass along to use some bullet points from a discussion. I had involving one of our recent podcasts. In late March we featured a story about some of the first residents of the State of New Jersey to lose their lives to cove nineteen. They were part of the harness racing community. One of them was John Brennan. An official working yonkers raceway was the first official New Jersey resident to die from the virus and then there was the FUSCO family. Four members of that family died within two weeks from Cova. Nineteen and among them were carmine. And Vincent Fusco both harness trainers a man claiming to be John Brennan's nephew. We could not independently. Confirm that he said that we had incorrectly. Stated that Mr Brennan had come into contact with the fuscos at Yonkers raceway. The man with whom I spoke claimed that Brennan had had no contact with carmine. Vincent fusco either at the track or away from the track I don't think anyone can prove the answer definitively either way but when I asked the gentleman on the phone why it mattered whether there was contact or not the man would not elaborate. He just adamantly repeated that there was no contact between Mr Brennan and the fuscos. It is worth noting now as it was then. That carmine FUSCO served a five-year banned from the starting in two thousand twelve from multiple drug offenses involving his horses. So I'm not exactly sure what we've cleared up by passing these details along but you can make of it what you will. As with. Many recent advances in civilized society from music to food to ideas television programs change often happens. I in Europe and sure enough in horse racing while American tracks that shut down to the pandemic are just getting up and running again. Some European ones have already begun the process. German racing resumed on Wednesday may sixth that Hanover followed by Cologne and Munich. France Gallup started staging events at Paris. Longchamp home of the arc-de-triomphe a week later. Of course the biggest shoot to drop across the pond would be British racing the earliest they can run John. I the day targeted by Prime Minister. Boris Johnson for phase. Two of his plan reopen the United Kingdom phase two includes sporting and cultural events for broadcast with no spectators onsite but since there is actual horse racing already restarting. Let's get a sense of how it's going from both a safety standpoint and a business standpoint by welcoming in here to win the game for the first time. Chris Baker a racing handicapper and analyst based in the UK. Great to have you here Chris. So first of all. What are you hearing about? How reopening these tracks and staging these races have gone from a covert nineteen safety perspective. Yeah the reports say far that the measures that have been playing pace of how to real big fights. It's very different for those that are in attendance. Very different for the drug is very different. For the trainers the media. You know partly can hear a pin drop as the whole cross the line. The strict measures in place to make sure that it's the as possible for those taking pump here in the states. Oaklawn Park in Arkansas. One of five tracks running in all of North America at the time twice broke it single day. All sources handle including more than doubling. Its RECORD ON ARKANSAS. Derby Day. Oakland took in forty one million. Us That day their record had been nineteen million. Set a couple of weeks earlier. What kinds of figures have you seen for Germany and France? I'm not sure on that show figures but people desperate for live sport you know having the UK you the lockdown is apparently. It's quite an impact on people's mental health and I've been forced to stay inside and the life. Sport really does have an appeal to lots of people from the enjoyment of watching the sports betting on the spot of course racing is is key industry in the UK contributes full billion to come to make an inside this this real violence about the needs to get the economy back on track versus public health and safety of the nation so in France and Jimmy trae sample that the the measures being taken. It's what you'd expect. And I I suggest Jimmy. It seems to be slightly more relaxed. Restrictions were eased recently and in top level football restocked in it the weekend. Of course the usual things masks and social distance and finished the more strict there is the threat from the government to revoke the license. If the streets measures on did say says yeah I just figures. I'm not sure but the popularity said gone down very well and looking at Australia and Hong Kong TV viewing figures of very high for the for the fans there. Because you know people at home that they won't watch they want something to look forward. They want some into enjoy believe. I read something that. Swedish harness racing is reporting a sixfold increase in international betting during the shutdown. That is staggering. The Big Enchilada of course will be racing in the UK and as we mentioned June first as the earliest. That racing can start up there. So let's start with some races that matter most to American racing fans the Royal Ascot Races and the Derby and particularly with Royal Ascot Racist. Can you explain Chris? How important it is that. Those races happen at a specific time of the year namely June. Well Boris Johnson and issued an they outlined in. This dispersed the due date of costs only if the spread of viruses control type. I June isn't guaranteed. Now is a strong so strong names strong opinions within the industry that racing con-continue and it should resume as quickly as possible so in terms that they key dates that I actually came as a blow to to the resumption of racing crew. I'd say committed as looking at getting the race ponding Organiz because they kind of put a best case. Scenario forward to racing stocks ended may with the classic trials the two thousand one thousand Guinness at the start of June. Meaning that Roy. Ascott that you've mentioned could go ahead as planned in mid-june that I cook the weeks between beginning and Roy Ascott. It allows us to get a preparation before Huge meats and ask which confirmed it will go behind closed doors. Obviously but they're really keen to keep the date implying now in terms of American interests. You Got Wesley World. Of course. You've got a fantastic record or last ten winners since two thousand nine including the likes of Lay Doria named Never Acapulco now. He's renowned for his two year old ruinous over in this country. But there's a lot of uncertainty about the two year old races this even if the two year old races being scrapped together because the united against the caught with get into them there is no guarantee that the trouble because the no surprise if travel restrictions where we're all changed so this is identified. Some of his old horse is having the best chance. So excited sprinter full wheel drive being aimed at the king stunned and Kamari the end the Commonwealth Cook based those run in debris described juvenile sprints. And it'd be really really untested if also could promote from Alaska. But they really. It really is still open. The APP so asking stemmed racing will resume on the fish the gym. But it could all change and you mentioned those key. Races Got Scott hopes and the dog that they've been about as possible dates in July now with this is an issue with not in the EPSOM race cost host the oaks and the Dhabi is a public space and so special distance. Ation has to be gained. You know to close off because said that the public con access it and said the racing can go ahead so this so much going on the scenes in order to get this race program of of the Cossacks. The other prestigious races back up and running. Now that's all going to be really squeezed. And no one knows how that's going to look like commend the season but as far as the spoil. He's GonNa make it very exciting tubbies huge group one racism prestigious race. It's taking space all taking place in the short on the dispensation has now been gained so said we'll defense stuff the twenty four hours allowing the oats and the dog to take place on the same day after the race card and I heard it might even be July fourth day. That has some significance here in the United States. Now here in America horses live and are trained at the track in the UK. Horses often live at their trainers homes. Literally many trainers have large tracts of land where they live and behind the houses barn or a series of barns for their horses now obviously that makes it easier to train them. Because you can control. Who's coming onto your property but here in the states grooms and hot walkers already live at the track in dormitories so they're already on the grounds all day all night with that not being the case in the UK does that make it harder to convince governments to allow the staging of races. Joan Guston leading train Hippie well-known listeners. Interstates he spoke this week about new market. Which is one of the biggest race in town in in England. The two and a half thousand horses trained in the daily observing strict social distance in measures. They the trainers and the train is absolutely. They come in that they can do this. This will racing camera zoom. It should gruesome and sue Johnson and some of the other leading trainers of set actually being the race calls. We'll be much safer than going to the supermarket or go into the actual station. Because if the strict measures are in place strict safety measures the fi the non contact sport that they'll be a very limited number of people and truck is behind closed. Doors as I said that they really are still. The Netcom said that being the race course would be safe. Then got into your daily business because everything's in place so I did have a tough job to go from and all being well. This will resume on the festive with with streets procedures in place in terms procedures. The gold standard really has been sat by Hong Kong and the Jockey Club in Hong Kong. And the good if we're really close together to create sort Racing Bobo. And there's been high praise for all those involved and by all accounts it's down to complete commitment from all those taking park so to make it work and procedures in place in. Hong Kong really strict. You've cost but the standard things that happen in every country like masks temperature tax stringent social distance and mandatory you've limited officials on cost in Hong come the jockeys being tested four times a week they have to to. Ms Old racing activity not just pre impinge race. They even have to submit to full with intended activity for the next day. So the about convicted by by security experts so hung really have set. The Standard I think about the other countries would have been in contact with Jockey Club in Hong Kong to take on board some of their ideas. 'cause it's really quite impressive. How the show go now. Of course in Hong Kong. They all helped by the fact that there are really two meetings that we they're they twenty. Two twenty talking is based very much around one site. I thought those hell. Then you've got Australia have carried on as well so different posts. Kohl's in between the different states but that that's been quite strict with jockey segregation may movement between states interest in the jockeys in Australia. They have to shower with five minutes before. Sorry how's the race course and not seeing direct contradiction to one of the idea has been put in this country. Where the jockey because here if if announced that the jockeys will not be able to you so on his shows because they've made the some scientific evidence that shows that could and spread the disease and so in these countries you have many similarities but there are some differences. Well I feel bad for Ali Bell having to interview the jockeys if they haven't showered at all British racing you were talking about. How the Two year olds may not have prep. And how can you run them at Royal? Ascot will British racing also known for its long distance prizes most notably the two Mile Ascot Gold Cup. Which is the centerpiece of the final day of Royal? Ascot Saturday each year stratovarius winning in two thousand nineteen his second straight Gold Cup and all the HOOPLA that went with that would horses be able to run two miles in June after the shutdown or would they be ready for such staying raises. Yes question again. Going back to the training. The training of horses calms has taken pace as normal with strict say should distance procedures. Say the train is the saying that horses off ready to now of course race that this is a different thing but if you're got was to take place to allocate to slot middle of June that would give a couple of weeks for trade Mr Pratt all possibly what happens in this country racecourse gallop say it's not it's not a trial and there's not a race but it's a day out of the race is full of whole and experience. The pray ring. They spend the truck inside my visit. We see quite nice coastguards and drum gusts again speaking yesterday. Did he seem to think that? Even if I thought was his normal time that would just about be time to get into into the status. Of course got well. Fresh trying to train has come in the whole ready to run that stuff already to be that with all these measures in place is going to say a safer that have become. We asked this because as of this recording the New York Racing Association here in the states is wrestling with what to do about the Belmont stakes. The third leg of the American triple crown which is a grueling mile and a half on dirt and New York is not sure that they can run it at that distance. If it's run anytime during the summer because horses haven't had a chance to build up to it. I don't know what difference you think. There is between turf and dirt when it comes to preparing a horse to run that far but as you say you know. Come to quite grueling nine-day content and it's so much of an. Yaron all these decisions key decisions. They make by goodman racing authorities. They will get things right. They'll get things wrong. The opinion is very split in England. About how the government under this crisis you some people saying it's a disgrace you've got some people say it's being under barely well. It's the same with everything. Every decision is made you behind side. That will tell us whether it was the right decision on and the many wall tips is really difficult. Time as a as a fun sport it will be a test to get it. Buckle Ronin if it's completely safe to do so if everything in place to do so because if that's not the case if the country not going against what the government is in they stop squabbling within which is clearly not happening in Hong Kong. And that's going to help. Nobody when you speak to somebody on the other of the pond about this you realize we really are all in it together. Thank you so much for a few minutes and we wish everyone in Europe and everyone here in the states the strength to do the right thing and get this done properly. Thank you so much Chris. Nocco problem thank you very much. Thanks once again. Chris Baker into Brendon Walsh. It was just a matter of time before the corona virus outbreak would show up in some thoroughbred horses names. Perhaps you've seen the internet clip of fictitious race that features all kinds of virus satirical naming games. But now we see the first such gag and a real live thoroughbred racehorse. His name is vouching an impossible. One to ignore. He's trained by Wesley. Ward who hopes the horse will socially distance by winning his racist by six foot margins or more it surely won't be long before Corona virus names show up across the rest of the racing world much like that Internet clip. We mentioned but what will make you. Think when off announcers tongues. Those names are unfurled. Will you snicker Guffaw or will you grow despondent and remember all the chaos? We've endured those names will surely pass restrictions on allowable racehorse names but will they make you say good job for good Lord. You can get us on our youtube channel by searching the PODCAST. You can find us on Stitcher soundcloud to in the pink apple podcast APP and of course in the listen tab of the ESPN APP for the full in the game experience. Subscribe now in the listen tab of the ESPN APP. And please take a minute to rate and review the show. Those reviews really help others find us. And if we're not careful some of those who find us might be those geniuses at America's best and maybe they'll include us in their fan choice awards for best podcast in November. Well yeah maybe mental start. Having babies you can get me on twitter at Abrahams voice or on facebook at Barry Abrams voice. That's indicated for this week. I'm Barry Abrams. We hope you're safe. Healthiest you listen to this. 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Let's Try This Again

Couples Therapy with Candice and Casey

38:57 min | 2 years ago

Let's Try This Again

"Hello. And welcome back to the podcast. This is couples therapy with kennison, Casey. And it's been how long has it been? It's been a full week since it's been like it's been. We haven't done it at all this year. Twenty like that joke never gets a little for that show. We haven't done it in months, but it's great to be back. And we have a lot to talk about. So put on your dancing shoes. And here we go. So why did you say you never wanna do it again? I know why do you know when you said, I wanna cancel it than I like had to talk to my therapist about it. And I called my sister crying in contacts. What if they don't know what we're talking about? Yeah. I said we need to do. I kept bothering you that we do a podcast. Is this a little while ago? I was like come on. And you're like, no, I don't wanna do it. Just cancel it. That's not what happened. I can pull up the tweet. Text the tweet you wrote. Now the text. Here's what happened. We haven't done a podcast awhile. Well, okay. Let me give you let me give you all little context. So the podcast record at three six eight my studio in Kansas comes down, and there's usually a little bit of flux in the timing. But by flux, I'm here ready to go. And you're like when did you earlier I can't do it any later, and I'm still the one that's always ready fair enough. There was a lot going on. And I was frustrated now's angry at the world. And I was busy that day. And you were like, harass me or something. And I was like I can't do it. And you said something like, we should just cancel it. Then to be snood, though, that is not what I said, let's find it. I was really hoping that like our first podcast back. Be like super curiously are cherry. We love each other. So. So much. Why don't we talk about our family vacation and all the positive things that happened on our family trip? K I have a question for you about the trip to South Africa. Yes, I mean ask you this. Were you deliberately on your best behavior? No, do I ever do that. Yes. When someone's you were hard to be nice. There's a difference between working hard at it comes from like a deep deep place versus like. Lottie da. I'm gonna pretend nothing bothers me. I was being very natural. I was very happy. So in forgetting Capetown, that's where Kim this was born there's Kansas family's house house grandfather built eight years ago, or whatever. And we all go down there when I say, we all like her family and the kids in a family reunion almost every year every other year around the holidays, and I think in the last whatever twelve years of going there. It's always sort of panned out the same way, which is half with the trip. You start to get frustrated. Usually, maybe even there's a fight family argument in there that I'm not involved with. And then I'm starting to leave the house more and have fun with my South African friends, and you'll surfing, then you start to get angry at me for doing my own thing. And then it sort of boils over and the trip ends with you being we shouldn't have come here for so long. And you're not spending time with me don't even know why we blah, blah, blah, and the sort of pout remember? The waiting a few things one getting the extra car. Buying that Jeep last year made a huge difference because there were like twelve people in the house at all times and one person at the car, and you'd always fuck off at eight o'clock and not come back ten because you had to go work out this year. It wasn't so bad because you know, your own car was there, and it was a full house. So it was better. But like you didn't even get mad at me those days. I said I'm going to get lunch with Dan. And then I came back nine hours later because you know, why? No, you know, why? Because you didn't make me feel bad about not wanting to go normally every year, you're like so tough on me about not going out every night, not doing adventures. I mean going to Cape Town since I was one I've done it. All I'm not interested. I'm also like not twenty years old when I was twenty I used to abseil off the mountain and go sand boarding with snowboards and hike through the forests and like used to do all that stuff. I just don't do it anymore. We twenty video. Today. No, I show a picture of, you know, close on it when you're twenty what picture do you have a muse close on? Can I thought we got rid of us? Didn't we get rid of that where where was the picture taken? Don't remember. But you're holding your dog. Anyway, we didn't fight this trip in South Africa. It was kind of great. Oh, you were also entertained Scotty. Was there yet? And I also think that. Kansas thing where she it's jet, and like so this year, whatever like twelve days, it takes her eleven full days to get over the jet lag says like anybody's ever jet like you have to fight it and don't go to sleep present asleep. All the next day. That's what I do. I'm fine twenty four hours later kennison braces it so she goes to bed at four in the afternoon. She wakes up at eleven at night. She's from eleven at night until six in the morning, then she sleeps from six in the morning till four in the afternoon. And does that for the entire trip, and that's pretty annoying when like your only friend is Candice. But this year, I had my brother-in-law, and I had Dan and I had my boxing trainer. I went to the horse track. Ceo's a good trip because he just kind of left me alone. I known instant you did. Well, I was there this morning. You know? As very disappointed in myself for not making it. It's fine. No, no. I wanted to go for me. Not for you. Cool. It was good. I don't remember what we talked about. Oh, I know what we talked about spirit. It's not juicy at all. But I got invited to be guest at a luncheon on Friday that mean, okay. A luncheon ladies who lunch like xactly what I'm not like four women going to arrest people organize. What I didn't know. I thought it was like maybe twenty five thirty people who are on the board of the Hudson river park, like they they raise money for the playgrounds and stuff. Great. 'cause I was supposed to be a guest at someone's table that had bought a table. And I was like, okay. Yeah. Sure. I'll go. And then I got online started searching for like old pictures, like what am I supposed to wear to this like jeans skirt, and it's women decked out from head to toe with their like fifty thousand dollar handbags, and I was just like panicking. I was really bothered by the I called and cancelled that night because then I spoke to my friend, Christina. Who's like, oh, yeah. I'm like. No. 'cause I was a guest of somebody at their table is the food free. Yes. But the point is it's like six hundred woman lunch of like fancy fancy women. Right. And I do not belong in that group. The point is why was I so scared to go to something like this. Why did I feel like I didn't belong is it just the clothes because I could go just by outfit. But like, I was all I thought about from the minute. I said, yes until I canceled those people don't like you. They probably don't like me. Because because my roots are showing I still have gray that need to cover up because I don't have a manicure because I don't I don't know. Anyway, I was talking to her about why that made me so nervous in what was the inclusion Candice. It was a combination of things it was a combination of me being okay with not actually wanting to be part of that world. And then me being scared of being part of that world that I won't be accepted. But she's like, that's okay. Doesn't mean. There's anything wrong with you. You're so fun near the opposite. You can go anywhere and act like you belong not. It's. What's the opposite of inferiority complex superior airy superiority? You just think you're better than everyone in every situation. Not true. I only think I'm I only feel emboldened when I'm around people that are more. Fancy than I am like when we were younger, and we used to go to those like events at the Whitney or whatever and those parties where you get fought photographed. I was always always felt like I didn't belong. I'd have to like do drugs before it went just like a talk. Yeah. It's true. Men. I just learn to stay away those parties she's referring to so like my social life in in. My twenties is like pre social media. There's always a party in New York City, at least there was I was younger. So all you have to do is know what the party is. And then to know how to get in. And then once you're in all the booze is free, and the food is free, and this socializing, it's like, it's like a way to hack New York City, social, but then you're a hack. Yeah. I mean, if if there's one word that would be engraved on my tombstone, it'd be case his. See, and I'm the opposite. And like if I don't really really absolutely belong there. Then I don't wanna be there. But who really belongs anywhere? I don't know. Do you think those fancy people think they belong there? Just looking around me like shit her dresses nicer than mine. Like damn I wish I had those Finci's. Hearings. Nobody belongs in those environment. It's just how you it's how you what you bring to. Okay. Let me put it in a different perspective. So you know, when you have like, a brand you wanna be an magazines. We will learn about you. That's kind of how it is. Or you want to be spoken about or whatever. I was never okay with like pitching myself to people and like hoping they'd write about me. Do they like me like my stuff, and then I stopped caring. I felt much better about what I was doing. Last time. You saw the movie swingers is this like a detour. No, this is keeping the train right on the tracks. Yeah. I saw it maybe ten years ago. So there's a whole monologue at the beginning of that where he's saying the only way that you'll get your girlfriend back is if you stop thinking about her because they know if you care, and if you care, then they're not going to think about you. So you just have to stop carrying the minute. You stop carrying you become more peeling them. And I think there's a parallel between that and what you're describing. Yeah. If you come across as desperate who wants about someone. I want somebody to to. I don't wanna show up that party and people be like Candice is here. What's she doing here? I would they think that I don't know. This is what goes on in my mind. I think this is why I ended up being. Like a introvert. I thought it was an extrovert when I was younger. I thought I was like let's go wherever and I'm not I just wanna stay at home with people trust. Through my head show, but the parties what Racine hawk Hogan's WWF entrance in the nineteen sixties. Yes. Where it's like the lights turn off send his music starts playing. It's like, I am a real man Ricken that was his entrance music and fireworks goes off. And he comes in. Bear bear 'bout barren out there, and he'd tears off his shirt, and everybody's screaming his name when I go to like a black tie event. That's what I feel like everyone's thinking. I walked to the door. The horse race in South Africa. That's what I felt like in the room with all those all the Cartier executives, and I would have been like to even know that my grandfather was part of this club. How do I let them know that I definitely belong here. And I was just ending on the table flexing. That's why we're married. The yin in the Yang. I think I might have converted from info extrovert introvert. I'm much more conscious of the fact that I don't like being around people should try to get lunch to the grocery store years is a different thing. Mine's like super crazy, the strangers and the people coming up to you and just at home to some qualified that I never mind somebody comes up and asks for selfie or says, hi, like that's like such a flattering kind thing to get to experience what a privilege, it's when you're at these sort of social settings that is a stencil about commod ary in kinship and being around friends and being around people who are interested in you. And I think since like the U2. kind of fame thing when I'm in those environments, I don't feel like people are being genuine to me. People treat me different Lee Lee and that different that difference differ. And that difference I interpret as disingenuous. Well, it's really funny because you know, how we went to that conference every year that I absolutely love, but I'm not gonna need it. And I was devastated that we weren't going this last year. But I completely understand why didn't wanna go because all these people are there to network, but it's almost like they weren't trying to network with you. They just wanted to selfie for their kids. And that was so gross. It's. It's difficult because it's like why do people want to be near me start thinking his very weird kinda thoughts that don't make a lot of sense. And the other thing that's hard about is. Nobody from really empathize with that. You know? Well, that's what gets me so mad when when my mother is like, no. But that's what he signed up for like, not really. Actually thinking about this morning on the car tour. Year in it's not in your mother's, totally empathetic person. But that's just something she could never identify with. So to her. I think she it's it's it's you can't expect her to understand what that's like for me. You know? I had a death in the family. I haven't talked about that. It's not really your family, though, is my family. No, it's not he's not my family. But they have course keys, you know, relationship with him. I'm not trying to to minimize views seriousness. This is like literally we would have lunch with your mom, and he would sit in the car stepfather, right? She's still my mom is still your mom. My mother's husband passed away this weekend. It's still SOX. Help me understand that. Well. I mean one easy human beings. That's always charging because it's like. I can only see it as how it impacts my mother, and my mom, you know, similar seventy years old, and that was her partner, and I think it's hard to find new partner in life at that age. And she doesn't find a new partner that sad. You don't think you really rolling? It's very touchy subject. I think it said. Whole thing said disown. Couples therapy therapy me I'm not your therapist, who's the therapist here. Microphone. So the reason why I had the naked picture of you in today's video is because I you know, my dad had to get all the stuff out of his attic. Yeah. So I went to Connecticut picked up three milk cartons milk crates of his of my old pictures, and I still can't find her. I'm still missing like whole bunch. I don't know where they are. But in those milk crates where some really gnarly photos in my dad was like helping me rifle through them. So I was like anything it's not a photo throw it away. It was like a bunch of random paper stuff in there and the poor old, man. Now, he didn't see did like all naked. There wasn't like there wasn't any X. Rated R rated. There wasn't anything like. There was nothing. There are a lot of Jonah. No kids crowd. You know, how uncomfortable that word makes me that's why I said. Budge? I but my dad was like any like Henry as Dacca photos in the top. Tough one. Just like a stack if you running around the house naked. Oh, God poor guy. Not who I'd want to see me pictures of me naked who would you to see pictures? I don't think my mom would care. I don't think Owen would care. It's you know, that I found naked picture of your mom once in the house in South Africa. How old was she twenty. Oh, no naked topless. She was fit. Yeah. Kennison I last night. It was Wednesday night. So kennison I had our was date. Everyone's we have starting. Babysitter stays till eight pm. Right. Seven forty five. I'm like you can go. It's funny because it's true. But last night was date night. And my idea was to go for a walk. But that was a little too crazy for canvas. On a walk walked out of the street out of our door into the mall back from the ball. Kansas idea. This is not a joke. It's not even funny Kansas idea for what we should do in our date is sit in the count in the lobby of our apartment with our with our home upstairs. You wanted to sit there. There's a doorman building. Like, it's very public kid even talk down there. A in hear what you're saying. That was the best we could come up with remember this kids. This is this is your fate. This is what's coming. This is what you can expect marry your sweetheart maybe someday, if you're real lucky the to you can walk around the neighborhood once and then sit in the couch of your apartment building and that is date night. I know I was talking to Christina, my friend down the street. Who has three kids? Her third kid was born the same day Franny and her oldest kid is the same age as frantic. I asked her as like, do you? You know? With your husband. What is out? Is that a euphemism? It might be she's like it's really hard to figure out like, we're so tired all the time kids all over the house. She's like that's what we have to go away on holiday. So I think that you and I should go away somewhere. I will say a little credit to Kim as pool that on our in our thanksgiving in our Christmas in our holiday trip to South Africa. Kennedy said the foresight to pick one night where she booked a place a hotel in the like the countryside, and we and her sister and her sister's husband, the four of us with no kids had one night away at a wind farm. It was called Babylon store on an anybody goes to South Africa to Cape Town and wants to stay on a wind farm for night. Holy cannoli was that place gorgeous. So the foresight to book the in the four of us tonight away without the kids, and we drove we drink wine. We drink a lot of wine. We did a lot of exploring in our gumboots and boots. Big rubber boots, and they gave him to you at that place as part of your hotel room gumboots that I was dealing with them on. No Scotty out him on. But I was the only person they look good on. And I have something that to talk to you about what? Sundance next week is confirmed. So next Saturday, I have to be they're going for will. Let's say I wanna drive what. Yeah. Why see that's just selfish shit? Like, you got a family here. We're not going with you. You can't just be like, oh, well, this is something. I wanna do. I'm going to take an extra three days away from my family, and my wife, and my responsibility is because I want to drive to Sundance. That's bullshit. Why do you wanna do that? Because I don't I wanna leave the car in California. And I don't want to have to pay to park it in New York City anymore. So there's companies the you put on the back of a truck, and they take it where you're going because five hundred dollars to do that I'll pay the five hundred dollars in. Yeah. See I wanna do a lot of stuff to all support. You. I notice that you're moving on from. Sundance. Well, because I know you'll do the right thing. Great thirty made the booking know, what's the right thing and your brain. You don't do it. You don't go for five days away from your family? They do for days. No five days. No. Talk about this. After the podcast. We're gonna talk about with Dr p next week. This is fucking bullshit thing is I might have already left before next. Actual therapy appointment, so I feel like this is our shot to really suss this out. And I've been thinking about my position. And I think that I I really think that I don't think what are you so stress out for your hand over your face. You're crying. No. I'm literally sitting here thinking what can I do that? You can't say no to right now. Because something to let you go. What can I do? What are we what are we examine this Candice? Why does it bother you? Because I think it just bothers you because you're jealous control. I don't think it's a lack of it's that. I think that you're upset because you don't feel like you could do something like this. But I can do something like this. Yeah. I I think that, but that's because I'm a better person than you. 'cause I would never ask to do something like that because I'm considerate. Like, I'm going on a reunion trip with my girls from college. And instead of taking off Thursday Tuesday. I'm only gonna leave you on Friday because that's the nice thing to do. Yes. I'd rather if you took five days away from our life, it was so that you and I could go away together for five days any time. But not in addition to. See I think what's going on here is that you harbor all this guilt. And then you project that guilt onto me, for example. I have encouraged you to go away with your girlfriends for like the last three years of offer like book a trip and do something special like the Miami and saying hotel because girls don't girls don't up and leave their family like that like for me to organize with three or four of my girlfriends that have kids it wouldn't happen. But because women don't do that those fuck off for the girls who were doing kids. I'm not talking about them. What are we talking about me just upping and going away with girls? And plus I wanna go on seige those girls, and you said, no, I encourage you to of. I've always encouraged you to go away. See I think you going away and doing something for yourself would be really healthy. There's this like math equation. It's like what's best for me. Is what's best for you? And me, and I think you taking some time to yourself would be great for you. But I think it would better me because it would be it's good for both of us. Let me and sense. So I encourage that. And I don't think it's any burden. I'm more than happy to take the girls by myself I to Christmas by myself. Oh, so happy. But then, but then there then it does become a control thing because you taking the girls by yourself means all of a sudden Franny is eating candy at two in the morning and not brushing her teeth about I brought about from Christmases happy and healthy as can be. I saw pictures pictures Starbust starburst all over the kitchen counter. You wonder why she won't eat real food remitted gingerbread house, and I hate Vermaak Ronin. She's she didn't even need to read house cheeses like so. Could not good. People all the people that say like, okay and Nisa so lucky to have Casey and she's just using him. I hope they listen to this and understand why have to put up with. Why is see now Kansas? Let's exam. See, I I I mean, I spend a lot of time thinking about this. I want understand why it bothers you in where keeps coming back to me. Is it bothers you because it's something that you feel like you could never do. If deals something you feel like you could never do. And I want to understand why you feel like you couldn't do it. You can't understand because you're a man that's a convenient excuse. It's not an excuse me. I'm very open minded it. Just for the same reason. You can't understand why not feeding. Francine candy is important. Shit. Casey. A we have a very cookies you bake cookies for breakfast. You're laughing right now. I know this is something that only a woman would understand I think that it's like biological, and it has to do with how our brains work just like guys always think about sex and girls always think about chocolate. Different thinking about sex Hannah's, right? I think it's much deeper. I think that we can talk about your parents. I think your dad's always on what he wants to do in your mother's never fell. She's had a sense of control. That's year issue. You have this thing. Where like you think? My dad is completely awesome muddy. There was something else. You personally said Rudd, no cool shit defeated is not you did say that. So you have this thing where you don't want to ever feel like I have defeat you feel defeated because of my control. Well, you have to you have to assert your. That's not totally untrue. Right. It's a pretty astute observation I think that your mother works, very hard to your mother is without a doubt sort of the alpha the decision maker in your parent's relationship is on a fair thing to say, yeah. And. I think that that sort of your default that you feel like you should be the decision maker. In some in some instances. Yes. And I think it should be a democracy. Wait now. No, no redact. I don't think that's true. I think that I get. I get frustrated when you disagree with me. I don't think it has less with has nothing to do with control. It's like in some cases, I'm I know, I'm right? And I know you're wrong. And those are the those are the time we butt heads. I wanna know why you feel like you can't do these things because every answer you, even I don't think it's fair because I feel responsibility to to stay. Why? Stop. You're gonna force admitting something. No. Because here's what I want. Like, I think that if you felt like you had a sense of freedom that you feel like you surrendered when we had a family. I if you were to get a little piece of that back. You would be a happier. More well rounded person, and I have to say in your in your not in your defense. But like to give you credit that when Francine was first born for the first year or two you're in a permanent state of panic because you had to surrender who you were as a single as a single woman in New York City. Now, your mother in New York City in your life chain was so radical, and I think that that was like that manifested as you, and I fight a lot. And now you've found I a greater sense of self, and you've, you know, greater precision further go much further because I'm super super open minded and liberal when it comes to doing whatever the hell you wanna do. I think the independent. Well, there's a there's a bit of TI there's two things there is a sense of guilt of leaving the children and leaving frowny. There is a sense of fear that like if I leave are you going to be able to handle everything which is not is not a valid fear. But okay, then the third thing is that like I kinda get upset when you leave for so many days because and you say go go to your friends, your free, do whatever you want. I don't wanna do. I wanna go with you like, I would rather you take five days and come do something with me. I don't wanna go. I can I can go to Houston. Visit mcgarrell friends. I can. But if I'm gonna take time away from my work and family than I want to be because you, and I are doing something together that's fair and that's flattering. And I love having one on one time with you. But I think that especially recently something that I've realized that like I need more time to myself, and I don't have that. Maybe you don't need that. And that's okay. I need that so bad thinking this summer one for July fourth day, right? Drove remember you for any or something. I drove there, and it was nothing but a day to myself. I'm thinking about that right now that was six months ago and look in the course of a week in the week. I might have an hour to to myself maybe bowl. You have all day to yourself. I'm surrounded by people here employees to manage people. And you stay at home to like. One at home of yacht. There's people there like it's a net. I don't get time to myself to like I like the days when I can go for a walk in the afternoon and not father be bothered with anything is produce more. Like, my running is something that I protect so much as I do like the physical part. But sometime get alone literally says in my headphones, don't talk to me. And not to get too down this rabbit hole. But like, I think that part of that's New York City's fall like right now you, and I physically can't walk outside without somebody running into us. We can't go to restaurant or get to Starbucks up being surrounded about you're never alone in New York City, and the fact that between, you know, it's you me in two babies at home, even at home or not alone. There's babysitters and your mom and family, and it's just like, it's relentless. And I realized like I have no alone time in my whole life in any event. In part of the reason why I got excited about this idea of driving spending four days alone in my cars. It's just like what a magical thing. Like listen to podcast and books on tape. And thank. Go for it. And I to finish all this off. Now that successfully convinced you to finish this off if you were to come to me, and I challenge is in say aversion to me of any version of what I just said to you about something that you need that involves you leaving me leaving the kids for your own personal well-being. I can assure you matter what it is you get nothing but support from them. I do know that I do know that it's so excited when you go away or even when you go to dinner with your girlfriends, but then you do throw that back in my face. It didn't are thing to do. Why do you do that? 'cause like when I'm an hour late for work. You you like raise the red flies wage war for me, not giving you notice. And then you do all the time. Like, it's no big deal. It's not a big deal. I just get mad at you. 'cause you get mad at me. That's healthy. I mad at the hypocrisy. Not the action that is healthy not healthy. That's part of the process. Well, I'm just telling you Vance that I probably will be home late tomorrow. What's tomorrow? It's Friday shit. What are you doing? It's a Friday. I didn't notice I'm giving you notice. What are you doing though? I'm Michael get some limbers go with who Morgan and Hannah, I don't want this to happen. He needs to be home. You're welcome to come. No, no. I don't want you going out. Just joking. Funny. Right. That you didn't joking seriously. You did. Yes. So shebab dinner for the going out there. Shebab dinner is a thing that ju- Jewish people. Do we're not super Jewish. But every Friday night, we try to have a family dinner. And when we're in South Africa who at candice's cousins right there kind kinda cousins. Yeah. Basically, and it was mixed company. And we're having Chabad dinner there. Okay. I've no idea under the conversation. But I mean, truly mixed company and a lot of older people at this dinner and something came up where somebody asked me about something else. And I was like, yeah. Of course back in high school. You know, we were on the wrestling team. Big open showers and me and the guys used to love wrestling around. And you know, we we dress in a lot of leathers and there were ball gags. And there's a lot of touching and. Kid is just shake your head because she does some just making a bad joke. But the older South African Jewish women in the room had no idea that I was joking in the looks of horror. Horror on their faces them, volunteering this information at Chabad dinner. That was one of the highlights the trip for me. No, no seemed in was seen doing down. There was a little sad. Right. He's the best poor guy. Shame. Know because he wants to come back to New York. But he's still like they're still a couple more delays. It has to deal with like some bureaucratic stuff. It's very hard. If all you have is a South African passport, but I'm happy Jay, married. Yeah. She's a she's a dear. I know what how K question. How are they? How's he going to be here when fiesta do all that paperwork to how do you do a long distance relationship? That's sixteen thousand miles apart. How many miles Capetown? I don't know eight. Eight miles is eight miles from here uptown. If you ask Francine, she'd say one hundred million PM. Oh one. Is what she said. Wake you up tomorrow morning says nine seven four O M. When she weighs one two eight two nine eight. Kids to nine eight. All right. So it was good. It's good to be back. We appreciate being back. I hope that I hope that some aspect of our sussing out of our marital problems was helpful today. It's to be back. I like doing this podcast we need to be much more diligent about doing it. Every week change w e to I even when we were in Cape Town, South Africa, the people coming up to us saying, I love your podcast. Please your podcast. It means a lot to us early. A lot to me. It had a big impact on me. Did good told you that? That's why I wanted to do it again. Even if like the five people that say, we love your podcast. I was like I mean, I love doing it. But if somebody else likes it, then let's keep doing it. What? No, you're right. You're right. I think there's a difference. Like when I make a YouTube video, I'm able to look at a YouTube video when it's done and be like, okay. There's so much hard work put into that video. And I'm able to understand why I get when people say like your videos on the cool, I like them too. But this podcast feels like us talking about our issues. So it's easier for me to question whether or not this is like something meaningful or just something silly. And hearing from other people makes me appreciate that. Maybe it is something that is is definitely worth us doing their fair. Something that I've been meaning to share it to huge deal. I'm just not gonna sharing this amended tweet this another tweet it anybody who's thinking about doing a podcast anchor the company that produces our podcast. They now are doing thing. And hope I don't butcher this. But we're super ridiculously easy to monetize your podcast. It's like the way that you can turn monetization on YouTube. They're doing a version of that with podcasting. So if you're a creator out there, whatever, and you have a podcast, even if it's small which is really hard to monetize. I think anchor can be super helpful. I say that because I like the guys at anchor, Mike, the CEO's, a friend. It's a small company they're trying to become a big company. I'm rooting for them. If ever you're interested in doing a podcast took out what they have to offer. Because I think that they have some really really interesting opportunities, especially for smaller podcasters. All right. Thank you guys for listening and as always. Okay. That's enough. Everybody's tired of hearing your voice now. We'll see you give us five star ratings because it helps with Casey's ego and. All that jazz. We'll see next week. Why?

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1848, Cass vs Taylor: Old Rough and Ready

American Elections: Wicked Game

42:48 min | 1 year ago

1848, Cass vs Taylor: Old Rough and Ready

"It's January fifteenth. Eighteen forty five at Brown's hotel and Beltsville Maryland twelve miles outside of Washington Democratic Congressman William Lowndes Yancey of Alabama relaxes in the hotel parlor on the first floor. His legs are propped up on a coffee table. He smokes a cigar and reads a newspaper paper surrounded by colleagues and friends. Well did you hear the news. Voice Yancey holds up a copy of the New York Tribune New York paper. Say on the talk of the town. It with a smile. Alabama Congressman Reuben. Chapman holds up a different publication. Don't believe everything you read Yancey. This article says you're already dead. Well no doubt a wig editor indulging himself and wishful thinking Ansi seems to not have a care in the world which is odd considering. He's come to Beltsville on a bloody bloody errand. He's in town for a duel with a WIG. Congressman from North Carolina named Thomas. Kleinman Yancey called clinging dishonest on the floor of the House and Klingner Klingner demanded satisfaction. They're set to meet on the dueling grounds in less than an hour's time. Have you any fear Mr answer from what I understand. Claiming doesn't even know how to use a pistol a bit womanly as the answer. Though is no stranger to violence a few years back. He shot and killed his wife's uncle in a street brawl. He was tried for murder convicted of manslaughter and served three months in jail. Before returning to Congress there he insulted Clinton's character senator on the floor of the House yes he refused to retract his statements and claimant issued the challenge one of Yankees friends in Alabama named Ab Meek raises. His class offers a toast to congressman. Yancey they his aim be true. Well here here. They're toast is interrupted. Don't when the front door of the hotel bursts open a group of policemen flood inside Yancey and the rest leap to their feet panicked. There's no doubt who the police have. Come for your Congressman Chapman leaps into action. Mr Yancey taking the stairs. That's an exit up there as Yancey has men make a run for it. Chapman grabs me by the arm arm. We must forestall. I'll follow your lead you there. State your name Sir. Chapman calmly sets down his drink. Reuven Chapman of Alabama this. This is Mister Meek Office Congressman Reuben Chapman very same whereas Mr Yance that I can't say we're aware that doing is outlawed Outlawed in this state. I know nothing of any dual officer we know Mr Yancey is traveling with you. You tell us where to find him. We'll let you go free. Perhaps try Washington here. He works there steaming with rage. The officer turns back to his men and barks orders arrest of but while Chapman and meek were being detained Yancey and his men snuck out. The back of the hotel narrowly escaping arrest. They ran through a stretch of fields and woods until they reached the prearranged doing grounds where Clinton and his party were waiting. The policeman tracked Yancey all the way to the dueling grounds to try and stop the a bloody affair but they didn't get there in time when they arrived. The dual was done at three PM on Monday. January fifteenth eighteen forty five to the United States congressman from opposing. Political Parties. Stood back to back walk ten paces and fired I'm Lindsey Graham Graham and this is American elections wicked game In the Yancey cling Mundul ended without bloodshed. Both congressman walked away unscathed with their honor intact. The dual was personal but he was also political. Their heated words grew out of a fierce debate over a divisive political question whether to admit Texas into the Union as a slave state Texas was of course ultimately admitted but the process revealed a nation and fractured along regional lines. The South largely supported the expansion of slavery. The North opposed it in May of eighteen. Forty six the issue cropped up again Dan. When President James K polk declared war on Mexico if victorious America stood to gain to massive new territories that would increase the size of the US by twenty percent Alta California and New Mexico? The South largely applauded the move many in the north so Mr Pokes war as a Democrat driven scheme to to expand slavery in response to these rising tensions poke sought to end the war quickly by asking Congress for two million dollars to buy Mexico surrender and the to to New Territories. The appropriations bill passed the house but it stalled in the Senate continent endless debate between the pro and anti slavery factions and both parties to to break the gridlock. A Northern Democrat from Pennsylvania named David Wilmot introduced an amendment to the appropriations. Bill the Wilmot Proviso as it was known. Call for the Prohibition of slavery in the New Territories the bill and the proviso would never make it out of the Senate in large part due to southern resistance. Paulk would have to beat Mexico on the field of battle that bloody conflict would have unintended consequences. It would give rise to a national celebrity who threatened to pry the reins of power from the Democratic Party Week. General Zachary Taylor. This is episode sixteen eighteen forty eight gas versus Taylor old rough and ready It's just after dawn on February twenty-second eighteen forty seven outside a US military encampment near Saltillo Mexico. Almost a year has passed since the beginning of the Mexican American war and in Saltillo there are roughly forty seven hundred American troops opposing them as a massive contingent of Mexican soldiers elders. Twenty thousand strong led by General Antonio Lopez de Santa Ana just outside the American camp. A staff officer rides his horse in full gallop. He has in his possession. A very important dispatch terms of surrender from General Santa Anna as he rides into camp he has directly for the officers quarters. He dismounts ties up his horse and halt into the officers tent where to General Stand Waiting General John Wall and General Zachary Taylor General Taylor for you bringing us his terms. The staff officer hesitates for a moment. General John Wolf second in command. General Taylor barked at him for Heaven's Sakes Got Man General. Santa Ana is demanding. Our immediate surrender said on as a fool. What else does it say? The staff officer steadies himself. He's exhausted. Did Santa Ana kept him waiting for hours. And he's not sure how General Taylor will react. If we surrender. General Saana will spare a slaughter if not he he promises we will be cut to pieces. General Taylor reaches into his pocket pulls out some chewing tobacco. All you also assured me that you would be treated with the consideration ratio of one of those belonging to the Mexican character. What do you think the staff officer freezes unsure how to proceed mecer? Yes you the staff officer general for a sign of help but doesn't get any so we screwed up the courage to speak. We should make preparations and bring the battle to Santa Ana Dan. We have enough manser. We can beat them back. General Taylor strides over to the staff officer and places his hand on his shoulder. I like you thinking sergeant. Would you do me a favor and deliver a message to the esteem. General Santa Ana yes sir of course which I town tell them to go to hell. Taylor slaps slaps the staff officer on the shoulder and returns to his business. I suggest you get a move on sergeant. Yes General The staff officer mounts his horse and gallops off into the night towards awards the Mexican lines to deliver general. Taylor's message there will be no surrender. Santayana will have to fight. mm-hmm outnumbered General Taylor used artillery to repel Mexican forces at the Battle of point of Vista and help bring about Mexico. Surrender his victory. They're also solidify Taylor's reputation as a national hero but already momentum. For General Taylor's presidential candidacy had been building for months in June of eighteen. Forty six WCHS. Alarms Group of Citizens Meant in Trenton New Jersey on the side of the famous revolutionary war. Battle there they declared General Taylor the People's candidate for president it. It was a historic moment. The first popular presidential nomination in American history and after the Battle of point Vista Taylor mania swept the country. One on Whig newspaper wrote the Taylor. The hero of Wayne Avista was heart and soul a wig. Another wrote that his candidacy would destroy the monster. That was the Democratic Party. The Pro Taylor Movement gain traction all across the country especially in the South Taylor was a war hero to be sure but he was also a slave owner born into the plantation in Aristotle's crecy his slavery Bona fee days gave many in the south confidence. That Taylor would protect southern interests in the White House so not long after Buena Vista Wake Wake members of the House and Senate began campaigning. On Taylor's behalf. They used the press as a vehicle to push Taylor as the whigs most viable option for the eighteen. Forty eight election. Still the Taylor mania mass. Some serious issues the people knew Zachary Taylor the general but few new Zachary Taylor the politician and almost no one knew Zachary Taylor the man Zachary Taylor was a problematic candidate a career military man he had never held held public office and new next and nothing about the workings of government. In fact he had never even voted in a presidential election or any election. In addition the whigs have been vocal their opposition to the Mexican American war nominating. The hero of that war had the definitive whiff of hypocrisy and asked to slavery what made him popular in the south gave of many in the North Pause as one anti slavery newspaper wrote Taylor was a slave owner and a slave breeder he would be the warrior of the promoters of the extension of slavery. Sorry but Taylor. Supporters tried to use his non-political military background to their advantage. They attempted to portray Taylor as a second George Washington a man above of partisanship a general. who had no ambition for the office and would only serve if the people demanded it? As to the slavery question Taylor supporters stuck to the old adage. The best comment is no comment at all in his public remarks. Taylor would avoid the issue of slavery expansion and where possible he keep his opinions to himself. In eighteen eighteen forty seven the wilmot proviso had failed to pass the Senate but the measure still had life. There was a strong chance will not proviso or something like it would find. Its Way to the the desk of the next president. This possibility would cast a shadow of the election of eighteen. Forty eight and with the end of the war inside and with Alta California and New Mexico Texaco hanging in the balance many Americans demanded to know. Where does Zachary Taylor stand on the expansion of slavery In the summer of eighteen forty seven the editor of the Cincinnati signal sought. An answer to the question was tyler. A real wig wigs believe Congress not the president should control the reins of government the signal demanded to know ask president. Would Taylor let Congress exercise the wishes of the people or would he impose hosts his own will the signal wrote all we ask of the highest office under the constitution is to bow to the will of the people and restrain. The executive. Taylor's response was Cagey. He replied that he was not at liberty to discuss his opinions on subjects of public policy. He had no aspirations for the presidency but if the country called halt into the office he would not refuse. Many whigs were distressed. Taylor's invasion in July of eighteen forty seven one week newspaper in Pittsburgh. Wrote General. Taylor cannot be the whig candidate less. The whigs abandoned all their principles. After Taylor's letter was published in the signal. Democrats saw blood in the water. They pointed to Taylor's alerts non-response as clear evidence that the whig party was trying to make Taylor puppet to use his name and reputation as a tool to achieve their political ends in July eighteen. And forty-seven the Pro Democrat Detroit. Free Press wrote that the American people would no longer have to hear about Taylor being a good wig because Taylor the free press explained was was not a wig at all. The Democratic press also had a warning for Democrats who are tempted to see Taylor as a viable option for president in August of eighteen. Forty seven the pro. Oh Democrat Buffalo Republic wrote that any Democrat who had been infected with Taylor mania and had forsaken their faith and run after strange gods should reflect upon the fate of the Democratic Traffic Party and returned to the fold in the aftermath of the signal. Editorial Taylor back was against the wall. If you remain non-committal he might lose his base of support. Port Taylor was not a second Washington. He did want the White House and to get it. In the autumn of eighteen forty seven he crossed over the nonpartisan line. Taylor wrote two more letters that found their way into national papers. He declared himself a decided wig and shortly after the Richmond. Wig wrote that all doubts to his political affinities I should put to rest as the whigs. United around Zachary Taylor. The Democrats were war over a controversial issue that threatened to tear them apart in the eighteen. Forty four contest. President Paul Can Promise the Democratic Party that he wouldn't run for a second term in his day he was the youngest president ever to serve but midway through his first term polk was worn down in his health was failing him his years of fighting in favor of Western expansion had exhausted him and the midterm elections eighteen forty six revealed field. The country was ready for a change. Democrats maintain control in the Senate but they lost the house in part. Because of Mr. Pokes war with Mexico hawks. Expansionist tennis agenda had all but split. The Democratic Party in two and nowhere was this rift more evident than in the state of New York. In September of eighteen forty seven New York Democrats gathered in Syracuse for the State's Democratic convention. The main issue on the table was whether or not to adopt the Wilmot Proviso Advisoe as part of the New York. State Platform New York. Democrats were split into two factions over the issue. The Barn Burners and hunters the barn burners largely argued in favor of the proviso to them. Slavery was a moral and political evil. And it was. New York's to limit its expansion. The hunters argue that POLKA party line. Slavery was a state right. The Proviso was nothing more than assault on President Polk in an attempt to stir up his unity among the democratic ranks at the eighteen. Forty seven New York State Convention the Hunters and the Barn burners fought it out of the issue the hunters won the argument and the Proviso never made it. Into New York's platform the hunters then selected thirty six delegates to send to the National Democratic convention. Set to take place in May of eighteen. Forty eight in response. Though the Barn burners I went into open revolt. They refuse to accept the outcome of the State Convention and in eighteen forty eight. They nominate a thirty six delegates of their own pro. Proviso movement's cropped up in several other states including Ohio Massachusetts but these movements failed to gain significant traction in large part because party regulars were quick to shut them down nominee for party unity but every time they left behind a trail of disaffected. Democrats tensions worsened February eighteen. Four eight when word of a peace treaty with Mexico reach Washington as part of the terms Mexico ceded to the US Alta California New Mexico and all disputed land in Texas down to the Rio Grande. B.'s Mexican states incorporated all or parts of what is today California Nevada Utah Colorado Arizona and New Mexico it was a massive expansion inch of US territory but the peace treaty pressed the questions of the Proviso and catapulted the Democratic Party into what Illinois Representative Stephen a Douglas called a glorious state state of confusion in May of eighteen forty eight. The Democratic Convention was held in Baltimore in the lead up to the convention over a half dozen regional. Candidates emerged urged most with strong basis of local support and well-funded political machinery. Already in place but there was not a clear front runner. One New York politician tried tried to use the crowded field to his advantage former president. Martin van Buren the defacto leader. The Barn Burners van Buren was in large part the architect of the Democratic Party party at the time of the convention. He was in his late sixties but he wielded a considerable amount of influence especially in New York. Van Buren was still bitter over the eighteen forty four Democratic convention. He had been denied. His party's nomination by the dark horse. Candidacy of James K poll in eighteen. Forty eight Van Buren was determined. Went to win the Democratic nomination and short of that to extract his revenge of the very party he created. We could game is sponsored by upstart. 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Your rate only takes a few minutes and won't affect your credit. That's that's upstart dot com slash elections in April of eighteen. Forty eight one month before the Democratic National Convention Martin Van Buren wrote. What would come to be called the barn burner manifesto in it van Buren condemn the extension of slavery and maintain that the thirty six barn burner delegates and not their hunker opponents were the rightful delegates of New York? The Conventions Committee tried to strike like a deal between the two warring factions. By offering. A compromise both delegations would be seated as long as they promised to accept the outcome of the convention the hunters agreed. Read The barn burners refused the question of who would be seated was ultimately left the assembly at large in Baltimore in May of eighteen forty eight after days of heated needed debate. The assembly passed a motion to seat one. Half of each New York delegation both the hunters and the barn burners remained at the convention but they refuse to accept accept. The outcome one southern attendee went on the record telling the press. The New York delegation was hell bent on making mischief for the National Democrats in revenge for the action of the Baltimore. More convention of Eighteen Forty Four Martin van buren himself did not attend but he sent surrogates including his son John to speak on his behalf and advocate for his candidacy to see but on May twenty third eighteen forty eight the first ballot reveal that Martin van Buren was playing from behind. Senator Lewis Cass of Michigan was the clear front runner her and he won the nomination on the fourth ballot. Earning one hundred seventy nine out of two hundred fifty votes the sixty six year old senator from Michigan gave the Democrats a strong long answer. To Zachary Taylor. Cast was a veteran of the war of eighteen twelve. But unlike Taylor he was also a distinguished statesman. He had served as the governor of Michigan. The secretary actor Terry of war and the US ambassador to France. He had worked under the Jackson Administration which gave him the added benefit of being Jackson man and on the question of the Proviso Proviso cass advocated for the doctrine of popular sovereignty. Arguing that the people of the New Territories themselves not the federal government should decide the slavery. Question Van Buren of course new. His candidacy was a long shot. He had instructed the barn burners in the event of his defeat to walk out of the convention in protest after cast his nomination the nation the barn burner is following orders that night. The convention reconvened nominated casts as running mate former. US Representative General William O Butler Kentucky next. The Democrats attempted to adopt an official party platform. It had a familiar thesis. That federal government is one of limited powers. The platform was an extension of the policies of James K polk but for many Democrats it was not enough when the party platform endorsed popular sovereignty. Things got heated. Uh It's May eighteen forty eight at the Democratic National Convention in Baltimore. The convention is in full swing and the Universalist Church in Baltimore packed with delegates. The chaired the Convention read from the Party Platform. Congress has no power under the constitution interfere with or control the domestic institutions of the several states as the chairman reads the words of the platform to Alabama delegates to together in the back of the room congressman. Pa Ray and Congressman William Lowndes Yancey. The chair continues any attempt to induce Congress to interfere with questions of slavery or calculated to lead the most dangerous consequences as he listens. Yancey is simmering with rage. He grits his teeth clenched his fist for months has it's been hard at work. Co Authoring a series of resolutions known collectively as the Alabama Platform. He wrote troves of ladders. Democratic leaders including Lewis CASS imploring. Foreign them to support him but to no avail next to him congressman Ray shares. ENC frustration. This platform cannot stand Mr Yancey popular. Sovereignty is is tantamount to surrender to northern interests. Yancey is face is blood red with anger. He's known for his temper flaw. That's moved him to violence and driven him to stand in a duel with a fellow congressman. But Yancey is smart enough to know that fits of rage do not affect change in the political arena. Only Wiley Acumen can accomplish that and I'm curious though. He is a strategy. Barring any objections the chair now moves to call unofficial boat enacting. His Plan Yancey rises to his feet. Mr Chairman UH chair recognizes the gentleman from Alabama on behalf of the people of Alabama. I would like to propose. An amendment proceed misery answering. I moved to include in the party's Hardy's doctrine the entirety of the Alabama platform order. Mr Janssen the Alabama platform has already already been thoroughly debated before this delegation. Mr Chairman Alabama asked with two simple things one that this body declare unequivocally that the federal government possesses says no authority to restrict slavery in the territories and two that the members of the Democratic delegation. Vote for no man president or vice president who will not ah promised to oppose the restriction of slavery in any four. Mr Hansen. As you know this body has already chosen. Not Mr Lewis. CASS the gentleman from Michigan in here to force selected above the protestations from the Alabama delegation must pledge to use the powers of the presidency to protect southern interests wonder in order if he will not then. This body must compel his cooperation. I only ask for a proper vote Mr Chairman so being mystery answering and as the chairman calls vote yes he takes a seat. The rest of the Alabama delegation stares daggers at him. I believe we've upset. Our friends mystery as I care or not Mr Today. We draw a line in the sand when the votes are counted. Yankees motion was soundly defeated to sixteen to thirty six. An Act of defiance Yancey and ray stormed out of the Universalist Church and left the convention protests in might be said that these actions that's where the birth of a southern sectionals movement. He drew a clear line between the interest of the South and the unity of the party. His dramatic departure from the convention was a symbol of the south's resistance to the winds of change and it was an omen of what lay in store if the Democratic Party and the country After the Convention Democrats were in a Tailspin. Many southerners in the Pro Slavery Block including William Yancey found the party platform intolerable. ENC would lead an an anti-castro movement in Alabama. He would abandon his party's nominee and eventually throw his support. Behind Zachary Taylor. His movement failed to gain national traction but it clearly we showed that the Democrats were not united behind a cast Butler ticket on the other side of the political spectrum. Van Buren in the barn burners. Were also looking for a new home. In Van Buren Mine Lewis. CASS was more of the same another poke a continuation of his expansionist. Anti Proviso Agenda. The Barn Burners would not support report casts. The little magician would have to begin plotting. His next move in June of eighteen forty eight one month after the Democratic convention the Whig National Convention convene in Philadelphia on the third ballot. The wigs officially selected Zachary Taylor as their candidate of choice. The WIG doctor their strategy Taylor was a second Washington Washington a political outsider. Who served the people dutifully just as he had in the Mexican American war on the question of slavery Taylor would remain largely silent? An attempt attempt to skirt the issue and keep northern and southern whigs united but while Taylor avoided slavery his vice presidential running mate former New York Congressman Millard. Fillmore had had to confront the issue head on in July eighteen. Forty eight Phil Moore was under attack a southern whig Alabama's John Gale had questioned feel more stance on slavery suggesting suggesting fillmore was an abolitionist. A dirty word in eighteen forty eight America on July thirty first of that month in an effort to quiet any controversy among southern pro slavery whigs fillmore wrote a letter to gail defending his record while he personally thought slavery was an evil. It was none of the federal government's Business Phil Moore wrote the whole power of that question was vested in the several states. Where the institution was tolerated? Fillmore was walking a delicate line. He needed to assure southern whigs he would not try to to a radical slavery while also paying lip service to northern whigs who largely abhorred the practice anti slavery elements in the North were growing tired. Fill Moore's brand of doublespeak doublespeak and even more tired of Taylor. Silence on what they considered the most important issue facing America. These anti slavery whigs found common cause with disaffected. Democrats like the barn burners in New York a new political faction began to take shape in the election of eighteen forty eight. The Free Soil Party emerged to push their agenda. They needed a candidate with national name. Recognition a skilled politician who could guide their burgeoning political faction and affect real change in Washington. They would find their leader in former president. Martin van Buren in August eighteen. Forty eight Hodgepodge of disgruntled whigs Democrats members of a small anti slavery faction called. The Liberty Party met in Buffalo New York for the first ever Free Soil Party National Convention. The free soil party was not a monolith. The Liberty faction advocated for the abolition of slavery but the majority of free spoilers took a more moderate posture. Slavery was an evil all but the real issue was the growing power of the southern states. The goal was limiting slavery and the South's power by passing a law in the spirit of the Wilmot Proviso as one disaffected whigs congressman stated at the Buffalo Convention friends. We must unite and take up the glove where the south row it down another free soil or proclaimed that true the anti slavery men must forget party memory and prejudices for the sake of the cost. The free soil convention was not a small affair. Twenty thousand atten-. Dis gathered to hear debates and speeches including one from a former slave turn statesman Frederick Douglass. On the first day of that convention free spoilers codified their political platform it was pro proviso anti-establishment. The platform didn't mention hot button issues. Like three fifths compromise or the existence of slavery in the nation's capital but even for the abolitionists in the Liberty Party the free soil platform was better than the deafening silence from Zachary Taylor and the cries of popular sovereignty. guerantee from Lewis CASS and the Democrats. The platform adopted free spoilers. Turn their attention to selecting nominee. Their choice was by all accounts and unusual Joie. One Martin. Van Buren was not a friend to the Anti Slavery Movement. At times he'd appeared indifferent at best and close examination of his record. Reveal politician Titian. Hostile to the abolitionist movement. Partisan who was quick about southern interest in the name of personal political gain as one free soil wrote. Mr Van Buren has some sins to answer to but the former president also gave the free soil. There's something they desperately needed. Credibility and name recognition van Buren also also held sway of the barn burners large chunk of the free soil movement in the end van Buren. Popularity won the day to balance the ticket and to assuage the concerns turns the abolitionists the Free Sawyers pick for vice president a decidedly anti slavery. Man Charles Francis Adams the son of John Quincy Adams Ironically. Actually one of Martin Van Buren longtime political foes. The Free Soil Party quickly adopted their slogan Van Buren and Free Soil Adams and liberty in the eighteen forty eight contest van Buren and the free soil would not have the muscle to win the election. But they would wield enough power to play the part of spoiler Martin. Martin Van Buren presence in the field would deny the Democrats. 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Now you can get a full mount unlimited access for free by going to the great courses plus dot com slash elections elections. Get your free month's now at the great courses plus dot com slash elections on October first eighteen forty eight the free soil friendly New York Evening Post Attack Democrats and whigs dismissing the the two parties as old and defunct another free soil. Paper called whigs and Democrats the pledged guardians of the slave interest but even as free soilders went on the attack in the press. They play defense as well. One free soil paper encouraged every anti slavery. Man to stand with Van Buren the desperate struggle for freedom and let van Buren political political past. Belaid aside wigs and Democrats warned in the press as well the whigs attacked Lewis Cass. His war record reminding the people that casts had played a part in one of the biggest blunders in the war of eighteen. Twelve the shameful surrender of Detroit. Democrats accused Taylor of engaging financial impropriety. Alleging that the corrupt General Taylor had taken illegal payments for his service in the war at the taxpayer's expense and late in the contest. The Taylor campaign was shocked. By what modern Politicos politicos often call an October surprise a bombshell letter alleged to be Zachary Taylor surfaced in the press. The letter read. Gentlemen I will not ought veto any bill that Congress may see fit to pass on Internal Policy Yours Z.. Taylor the ladder. which was widely circulated in the press was seen by many as clear evidence that Taylor would not veto the Wilmot Proviso if Congress pushed it through? It was a crushing blow to Taylor's candidacy and it damaged him severely. especially in the South Taylor. Supporters were frustrated for one thing avoiding the subject of the Proviso was the foundation of their campaign strategy for another. The letter was a fake. It's unclear who wrote it or who leaked to the press. But it's not a leap of imagination to assume that the letter came from Kasa supporters quarters in the south. The letter did significant damage. Even after Taylor supporters fought back in the press and denied. The letter's authenticity. Many in the south remained unconvinced and the letter might have cost him the election. If it weren't for Martin Van Buren and the free soil party in the eighteen forties. Politics America was changing rapidly in the eighteen. Forty four election. Two point. Seven million Americans had voted about seventy eight percent of eligible voters odors out of this growing engagement. New political factions emerged factions fed up with a political establishment and rallying behind to controversial issues. Two major parties largely ignored in the elections of eighteen forty and eighteen. Forty four the anti slavery. Liberty Party had run their presidential candidate. James Burney in eighteen forty Bernie received roughly seven thousand votes far less than one percent of the total but in eighteen forty four Bernie had won over sixty thousand was in votes in eighteen. Forty eight the free soil party picked up where the Liberty Party left off in the end. The nearly three hundred thousand votes cast by free. Spoilers were enough to sway the outcome of the election on Tuesday November seventh eighteen forty eight for the first time in American history. The presidential election was held on the same day throughout every state in the union years earlier in January eighteen forty five congress had passed a law that the Tuesday following the first Monday in November would henceforth forth be America's national election. Day Taylor casts both one fifteen states but Taylor won the electoral vote. One hundred sixty three to one twenty. He's seven Martin. Van Buren did not receive any electoral votes. But he won just over ten percent of the national vote in states like New York Massachusetts in Vermont. Free spoilers place. Van buren second behind tailor by forcing cast into third place in those key. States van Buren blocked casts electoral path to the White House and handed the election to Zachary Taylor but President Taylor had a colossal task before him. He inherited a divided country. His time I'm in the White House was infected with partisan strife over slavery and while as a candidate Taylor had tried to sidestep the issue as president he would have no choice but to confront it. It's July third eighteen fifty at the White House. President Zachary Taylor sits at his desk poring being over documents. The weight of the office has clearly taken its toll as Taylor looks weary and frail. He's deeply troubled by an issue that threatens to obliterate the fragile peace. He's holding the country together a boundary dispute between Texas and the US territory of New Mexico. Texas has claimed part of New Mexico's eastern border a few weeks back. Taylor ask Congress to protect New Mexico's interests but the pro slavery crowd was none too happy. Mr President without so much as knock to southern Congressmen burst into Taylor's Office Robert Tombs and Alexander Stevens. Do they not teach you to knock in Georgia. Mr President on behalf of the people of Georgia Mr a tune in I demand your audience Mr Stevens Mr Tombs. There are many proper channels to secure an audience with the president of the United States. I assure you barging into his office is not one of them. But Stevens doesn't Back Down Mr President as you. Well know the New Mexico territory is in the process of adopting a constitution. Which prohibits slavery avery? Yes I am aware of that. Is it not Mr Stevens. The prerogative of the people of New Mexico to decide the slavery question for themselves. Is that not in keeping with the the principles of your Democratic Party. Of course Mr President but it is not the prerogative of the president to play favorites in matters such as these nor is it his perogatives disadvantaged and his Texas for no other reason that she is friendly to the institution of slavery. Your concerns are noted Gentlemen Tomb steps forward Mr President Texas must auspey allowed her own boundaries. Taylor keeps his cool. He musters the strength. Stan I've made my views on the matter. Well known gentleman once you ask a deviation of whig principles and is a betrayal of those who elected me to hold this office. That is the end of the discussion. Mr President this conversation is over over. Gentlemen as the congressman head for the door. Stevens leaves Taylor with a final word of warning. You may do as you please Mr President but if you proceed with his course first the people of the south will never forgive you during Taylor's presidency sectional tensions over the Question Question of slavery reached a boiling point for many southern men like Alexander. Stevens Robert Tombs enough was enough Stevens. ENTOMBS would become leaders in the section enlist movement in the south. They would push for secession and they would go on to become vice. President Secretary of State of the confederacy Zachary Taylor had hoped to cool the growing tensions over slavery and unite the country round his presidency. He would never get the chance in July of eighteen fifty just sixteen months into his term tragedy would strike on July fourth day after Stevens. ENTOMBS barged into Taylor's office. The president returned to the White House. After a long day of glad-handing public appearances and a visit to the site of what would become the Washington monument thirsty and hungry tailored drink water if legends to be believed eight a Big Bowl of cherries to satisfy his empty stomach not long after he fell. Ill racked by sharp abdominal pain. Five days later. The Baltimore Sun reported on Taylor's condition. We regret to learn that the indisposition President Taylor yesterday assumed alarming character the next day the Sun announced the tragic news of Taylor's death riding the the nation will mourn the departure of a hero and patriot. Sonko Taylor's final words. I am ready to meet death. I have endeavoured faithfully discharge my duty. I'm sorry to leave my friends three days later. The Sun's reporting took on a conspiratorial tone. One dispatch read. There were other causes besides merely eating king and drinking that operated fatally upon his system. The Sun reported that on July third to southern L. trysts barge into Taylor's chambers and threatened him the insinuation relation with clear Taylor had been assassinated if not by Stevens entombs directly then by friends of the southern 'cause though most contemporaries rejected the notion. That Taylor Taylor had been assassinated. A cloud of suspicion hung over his death for well over a century in one thousand nine hundred ninety one. Taylor's body was zoomed and examined by the State of Kentucky. Medical Medical Examiner. Put the question to rest concluding it is my opinion that President Zachary Taylor was not poisoned. After Taylor's tragic death the Baltimore Sun wrote of his successor. Mr Fillmore brings to the chair of office. A wealth of experience judgment in consummate prudence Millard fillmore. The often mocked comptroller from New York would need every ounce of judgment and prudence he could muster to prevent the fracturing country from tearing itself apart during Phil More Time in the White House sectional tensions over the issue of slavery only interest fill more would try to forge consensus between the two warring factions but his attempts to bring the two sides together would only push the nation in closer to the brink of civil war next on wicked game the election of eighteen fifty to the compromise of eighteen fifty signed signed into law by President Millard. Fillmore further divides divided nation and leaves both parties searching for new leaders. Don't miss a single week of our march from seventeen eighty nine to twenty twenty hit the subscribe buttoning your podcast APP now. This show is supported by you. Our listeners please give us a rating leave. 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We thought pneumonia and he was leaving me as the sole parent of our son so he couldn't hug me he couldn't kiss me. We didn't it didn't hug kiss otis. I don't even remember what we said to be honest looking back now and again. Hindsight is beautiful thing that what would you. What would you say all my gosh. I mean all the things you wish you could say to your person before you never see them again. The way they are. That's that's what i would said. I guess that's amanda kloots. She's the wife of the broadway star. Nick cordero who died last july in los angeles after a long battle with covid nineteen one. Nick was in the hospital. He was put on a ventilator and had to have his leg amputated he was only forty one years old. Now we don't normally do episodes with just one part of a couple. But there's an exception to that rule and amanda. Kloots is bad exception in her new book. Live your life. Amanda is candid and raw and so incredibly honest about what it was like to watch. Nick waste away from a disease that one understood she also painstakingly described how she's completely committed to keeping nick memory and music alive the world and for their toddler son elvis. Her story is heartbreaking. Police you hope that we can all get through our darkest moments. I'm joe piazza. This is committed. The first time that amanda saw neck was on day. One of a reading for the broadway musical bullets over broadway jump into the ocean. Nobody's business if do at six feet five inches. Thick was possible to miss. All the other girls in the show. Thought that nick was pretty cute. Amanda didn't really notice him. She was happily married at the time. I know we weren't looking at each other. As potential lovers. We just kinda met as co workers and friends and not really didn't even speak much that week and then we re-met we connected win. The broadway show was in a workshop stage in. We were performing in doing that every day in a workshop setting but over the next several months amandus husband also actor got a job on a touring show and the long distance started. Take a toll on their relationship. They worked hard at their marriage but it soon became clear that they should separate and divorce. Amanda knew it was the right thing to do but she was still embarrassed and ashamed that she wasn't able to make it work. Both nick and amanda were working on bullets over broadway at that point and they became friends. They'd have long conversations about anything and everything including amandas marriage. Nick was safe comforting and a great listener. Amanda says that. If it wasn't for nick she doesn't think she would have gotten through a divorce. He never judged or questioned. He just listened. We're just friends for a very long just became friends and confidants didn't sharing you know very indepth information about the relationships that we were both in at the time so we had this kind of foundation as friends. I which i think is a beautiful way to start a relationship. He became her best friend and boyfriend simultaneously. Bullets over broadway changed x. Life it gave him credit as an actor because he got a tony award. People were finally looking at him in a new light and so before that when i met neck he was struggling. He was renting a friend's apartment. There were often times. He couldn't even pay that rent so he had to airbnb it so that he could afford to live there live with knee whilst airbnb being his apartment. He was struggling with being in and out of work. You know with six foot five and he couldn't be in every show in every play. He was definitely a specific type. As i am at five foot ten. He was struggling a bit. I tend to love struggle. I love to you know. Be a fixer a helper a teacher. So i think that's kind of what drew me to him was that he was just kind of a starving artist. Musician in a hopeless dreamer Romantic wanting to fulfill his dreams and going for those dreams Bet on top of all of that he was. You know a dashing six-foot five dark hair round is in. Just you know handsome and canadian. So they the nicest person in the nicest people living canada and so there were many many things. He loved his family which i loved. He was a good friend which i loved. Everybody loved him. They began dating quietly at first so as not to get too much attention and finally amanda introduced him to her family. There were ups and downs. They broke up a couple of times but the two of them got through it and they eventually moved in together. When nick landed the lead role of sunny in a bronx tale. Amanda would meet him after the show and they'd have romantic late night and ours one night over one of those romantic dinners. Amanda ask nick when he thought they were gonna get married. Knicks reply completely floored her then he went on this ridiculous kind of tangent about well. You know we should spend some time together. I think this summer we should travel the world. And then bill murray always said that if you can travel the world with somebody then you know you marry them and i was sitting across the way from him. You know we're both actors. I'm an entrepreneur. Now i am they sit this business and you know we're in our late thirties. And i'm thinking him when. And how are we travelling the world together to know if we're the right fit like i just moved in with new dude and we've been together we we've broken three times now. We're back together. We've lived together. I mean that's proof enough like we don't have the time to do what bill murray says to do so. We ended up getting a little tiff that night. I remember. i don't think i've talked to him for like a good solid day. And then he said within that day he realized that i was right and he started shopping for engagement rings. As much as i live my life by all. Bill murray's advice. I don't consider him my love gavril. Nick ended up proposing two months later on a trip. Up to woodstock in new york. Six months later. Amanda nick remarried. Well i will tell you that. Nick and i took an incredible honeymoon. You're so lucky. we did. A very much of touring the world. We started off in southern italy at a friend's wedding and then went to the along the coast and then we went to istanbul and then we went to africa and then we ended in bali. And we've got off the plane in new york city from flying home from bali and i finally. I did understand what bill murray was saying. When you can travel with somebody like that. And it's not always ritz carlton and you know chauffeur's you do get a sense of like okay. I could spend the rest of my life with this person for a shirt and the year after that the two of them learned that they were pregnant with a little boy. They named him elvis. It was a lot of change and all came so quickly but it was also everything that amanda had ever wanted it. The two of them decided to move from new york to la partly so that they can pursue more of his musical dreams. It was around this time. That news of a new virus star to make headlines. Abc's straightforward now growing concerns about the deadly corona virus officially hitting the us. Here's what we know. A washington state route. The man never members very clearly there last normal day together at the time it was her birthday. But because of the impending covert lockdown. They didn't make big plans. There was a small socially distanced outdoor celebration with friends halloween. My birthday was probably the last normal low meant even though was kind of very slow quiet day around the house because it was like a second or third day of kind of everything being closed down in restricted to our homes. It was the most normal you know neck was still nick. We were just trying to get through the day. Be a family. Celebrate my birthday as much as we possibly could within the circumstances but yeah that would probably be the last normal wonderful day that we had together. Nick made her a very special birthday gnocchi. He promised her that as soon as things get back to normal. I am going to throw you the best birthday party of her. Amanda eight gnocchi nick. Couldn't he didn't have an appetite and he said he was feeling tired. They crawled into bed early and amanda writes in her book. That was the last time is left beside husband. I should have snuggled him harder over the next few days. Nick grew increasingly exhausted. He began to sleep all the time but he didn't have any of the other telltale signs of covert. He hasn't lost his sense of smell or taste. He really just needed to sleep but nick when he started getting sick i'll doing air quotes because all he was was tired. He was laying in bed for hours at a time. Laying on the couch for hours at a time could not keep his eyes open if he was awake it was for an hour and then he would tell me. I accept to go down again. I'm so sorry for a brand new mother trying to start a business in a brand new city. This was frustrating. Amanda needed help. And in hindsight she now feels guilty about that. I just was looking at him. Like gosh you know get together or what is what's going on. You know. I feel about that now worst but that was the honest truth. I was looking at him like you know. I'd love to take three hour now by exhausted as a mother trying to raise a baby. And now i'm doing it without your help. At the moment you're the benefit of hindsight is so interesting in one of the things that also as a mom of young kids. If my husband told me he was tired. That's great dude. At the puck come on deck. A hindsight is such an interesting thing right. And then of course we second guess ourselves and coated with such chaos. So low reading what you wrote about the chaos. We didn't know anything that was going on. And also he had none of the normal cova symptoms. I remember that time where it's like we would get. We would get cold but it's not a dry cough right so so we don't have it on the sixth day with extreme fatigue. Nick was changing offices diaper when he fell to the floor. He'd fainted the couple. Got to urgent care as quickly as they could. But amanda wasn't allowed inside. The doctor actually refused attest. Nick for covid saying that he didn't have any of the symptoms when they got back home. Nick got more and more fatigued. He began to cough and it took him thirty minutes just to take the few steps from the bedroom to the kitchen table. That's when the two of them decided it was time to go to the emergency room. Nick couldn't hug or kiss. Elvis when amanda dropped him off at the corner by the hospital. It was too risky. He just shrugged waved at his baby from six feet away. It was the family's last real good goodbye. That final goodbyes was you know. Again retrospect but i dropped him off at the corner in front of cedar sinai. We did. He didn't even know really where to go. I didn't know where to drop him off because the hospital was closed down. So i dropped him off on the corner not thinking it was going to be the the last time i ever saw him like that. He was clearly sick. You know he clearly had something. We thought pneumonia and he was leaving me as the sole parent of our son so he couldn't hug me he couldn't kiss me. We didn't he didn't hug kiss otis. I don't even remember what we said to be honest. I think. I know. I said you know i'll drive around or i'll go for a walk with elvis up in the neighborhood. Call me when you're done. I thought it was going to be an hour or two. And he would be out of the er with his with new leads. No way did. I think it would be. They're keeping me overnight. No way did. I think it would go the way did it was very unfortunately in a way cold. I guess you could say. Amanda writes in her book. He was never the same again. He will go up but nick never really came back time for a quick break. Swim constantly looking for something to do on my phone. Other than scroll through instagram. When i pick up my phone i usually grab it and then immediately open instagram. it's just an addiction. it's a habit and i'm trying to find things that are different than opening instagram. I recently found this new mobile game. That i'm really enjoying called june's journey. It is set in the roaring twenties. 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She sat in a park with their baby. Elvis the song volare started playing from speakers somewhere. Amanda took this as a good sign. Nick always played that song when he made his famous mielke. Then the hourly updates from nick kept getting increasingly strange and frightening. He said the hospital needed to keep him overnight then. He told her he had to go to the icu. Because his organs weren't getting enough oxygen. Amanda went home because there was nothing else she could do in. Nick spent the entire next day in the icu. Amanda fell asleep with our phone in her hand and her baby next to her. That's where her phone was. When nick called again at four in the morning he told amanda that the doctor said they needed to put him on a ventilator into a medically induced coma. Nick sad it should only be for a few days but he was scared. Amanda was scared to they. Said i love you april first at four. Am was the last time that amanda heard her husband's voice. Nick cordero was forty one years old and healthy even after he was put on the ventilator even after he tested positive for covid. Amanda had hoped that he would be fine. She videos every day of her. And elvis telling nick that they loved him and missed him. See the silver lining of having a baby during this crisis is that elvis literally saved a man's life. He kept her from curling up in a ball and crying all day because she had no choice but to be present to be his mama. Amanda share their story on instagram. She wanted other people who might just be tired to know that maybe they should get tested for covid nineteen. She also wanted the world but pray for neck. The doctors kept updating our every day. But all the medical jargon was confusing they told her to stay hopeful but the kovin rules and not being able to see him made it so confusing gave nick. Something called hydroxy chloroquine in the hopes that he would come off the ventilator. Amanda waited for that call. Nick was breathing on his own on april tenth. The doctor called with different news new confection. He spiked a fever. His heart stopped and he died for two minutes. They resuscitated him but survival was on a minute by minute basis. That phone call was the first time that amanda was hit with the reality that she could lose her husband. The only way to keep nikolai was to put him on. A machine kept his heart and lungs functioning for him. There was nothing that amanda can do except pray. Japan even facetime. Nick hadn't seen his face since he went into the hospital. I had never been in the hospital except for giving birth to eldest nick. hadn't either. We didn't know anything about anything. I didn't even know. I could ask to face time when they first called and told me that somebody had called to ask to facetime. Nick i remember in my head going and i said it out loud to the nurse who called. I'm sorry if anyone's going to facetime neck right now it's gonna be me his wife. I don't know who just called in. But it definitely not her and she was like we'll have you not anyone facetime him yet. No and do you want to yes of course and the first time i facetime net. Unfortunately he was covered in to the ventilator was still down his throat and so when that happens you know you have all these pads and tubes all over your face so you can barely even see your face but despite that it was still wonderful to see him i mean he was deep within his coma. So i don't know. I'll never know if he could even hear me or not but it was half great to see him of course in great to connect with them of course and then also the other half is the exact opposite of that. That's a last way you want to see your husband looking that and desperate and sad and lonely and covered in lots of machines sets so it was that was the juxtaposition on my life. This this whole ninety. Five day battle though. Amanda had no idea if it could even hear her voice but she tried to stay as normal as she could. She talked and talked and she said i love you. You look good. You're going to be okay. You've got a whole lot of living to but you've gotta wake up when she sang a song called exactly that you've got a lot of living to do. The nurse leaned over into the camera and told amanda that his blood pressure was actually getting better. That the singing was helping if amazing to finally be able to do something to help her husband. After amanda hung up. She decided to try something else. She tried to rally an army of friends family people on instagram to sing and dance and do the same song at three. Pm the next day messages flooded in from around the world even one from priscilla presley herself. Thousands of people were singing and praying for nick but a man knew her husband very well. She knew that. If anything would week nick up it would be hearing his own music. Not elvis scenic had always dreamed of being a rockstar and even at the age of forty one which is not that old. He still believed that his big break was coming so amandas new mission was to make nickel rockstar right then. While he was asleep in the hospital the next morning she announced on instagram. She wanted everyone that followed her to sing play of nick's original songs. A song called live your life. at first. she was worried that no one would join in but once again. The world stepped up at three pm. Babies teenagers grandmothers people with their dogs. People in bath tubs and people on the rooftops. All started singing nick song saw. Yeah we you know. We started that pm. Staying with elvis presley song got a lot of living to do. Because when i was facetime me nick that first time i was just telling him you know honey. Don't you know you got a lot of living to do that. A lot of living to do. And as i kept saying i was like we have a song the song and so that response to join me that day i remember remember going to bed and say like how can i help. And how can i help him. We gotta sing his song. If there's anything that's gonna wake him up you know. Every artist has an ego in new. You know nick. Nick is gonna want depot saying his song presley song and i thought gosh you know. I hope everybody's still joins me 'cause nobody knows this song and they did. And then thank god because yeah. That song became kind of like the thumb for this time. Not kind of it became the anthem of this time. Dinamo of an anthem The colon time and made nick a rock star. It was on the radio. The whole world was singing it in my opinion pretty much the definition of a rockstar. The whole world is singing. Your song not too shabby one hundred percent definition rockstar. And i love it. I love it you. May you made that happen. That was you. you're a guy. No this is what you would want. 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When he woke up his leg would be gone and amanda thought about just how terrifying that moment would be for her husband how he'd be devastated after building a career that relied explicitly on his body to do work. She asked the doctor if there was any other way. He told her that there wasn't if they wanted to save nicks life so she gave her consent because the amputation was a major surgery. Amanda was finally allowed in the hospital. She rushed there as quickly as she could. The date was divine mercy sunday in the catholic religion. That's the day when the most miracles are recorded when they finally let in had been twenty days since amanda had seen her husband in person she imagined the hospital. Like a scene out of grey's anatomy busy loud but it was mostly silent. The nurse led mandatory window in a hallway where she could see neck. She cried her eyes out and prayed silently. The nurses just kept bringing in new boxes of tissues. The closest amanda could get to. Nick was right outside his door with thick glass. Separating them all amanda could do was scream. I love you. Wake up wake up. She cried through four masks. Nick went into surgery. It went as smoothly as possible from then on. Amanda continued to sing at three pm in the world continued to join her. She faced with nick day always stuck to the same script. Your name is nick cordero. This is amanda your wife. You have a son elvis. You have to wake up pap-. The doctors kept trying to do everything that they could. The world kept praying but the doctors finding commander and told her that. Nick not make it through the day. Amanda was in nick's room and she held his hand rubbed his head. She held him for as much as she could. Without disturbing the tubes and wires around him she prayed and begged nick to come back but she told him it was okay if he couldn't she played him. Aretha franklin's version of amazing grace. She thanked him for fighting so hard and told him stories. She wanted knicks last moments on earth to be filled with nothing but joy but stayed alive. His numbers cut better and better. He was fighting. Amanda created a playlist for nick and begins singing and dancing all over his room. They told amanda that her husband would die day but against all odds he started to get better just fourteen hours after they told him to come to the hospital. Nick was to follow some of her commands. She asked him to smile. The corner of his upper lip lifted as much as it could. Amanda traded shifts with other family members. They all singing and dancing. She was finally allowed to stretch out on the bed. Lay next to nick. She switched the music to ella fitzgerald dream. A little dream of me and slept with her head on knick's chest. There is no denying the fact that knicks lungs were destroyed from covid. There were holes in them. That would never heal. The doctors finally told amanda that despite the seeming signs of progress. Nick was probably not going to make it. But time continued to pass. And both nick and amanda continued to fight. Elvis turned one. He took his first steps. Amanda begged the doctors to let elvis in the room with nick. If it was finally the end when the doctor called on the morning of july fourth and told amanda to come in. She knew it was something. That i kinda felt right away when i walked in the room and looked at nick in you. Get to know your person pretty well. I think you're the best advocate for your person in the hospital and Throughout this battle. I could tell that nick was fighting. I could tell with. He was with me and working on doing as much as he possibly could stay with us. And i walked in that day and there was sort of a energy shift that i felt in him in the room and everything and then it was one of our one of our favourite doctors. She was a woman that was with us from the beginning and she was a mother in so leslie next mom i really just loved her and trusted her a lot and appreciated her sincere bedside manner and she took a outside the roman and she said something which hadn't been said to us. It was in our face every day. We were looking at it every day. But nobody had said it to us and she said No one has said this to you. I am telling you this. Because maybe nick said something like this to you. Amanda in you know your talks about life she said nick is on one hundred percent life support right now. There is nothing he is doing on his own. It is all his body is being run by machines and his body can't keep up and in a world we're maxed out on everything and if that means anything to you if you could ever talked about if it gets to that point in life i'm saying this to you now. Nobody had said that to us. It hit leslie a ton of bricks. That was definitely like the moment where we both knew that it was time to say goodbye. But also when you're young and healthy and in love and he just had a baby. I feel like he don't talk about those things. I don't think my husband. And i have talked with them. No we still don't have will. We're the work we didn't either. No we didn't have a will nick knight and never. Well no you guys. You think nothing's going to happen in saying gain. Oh we'll get around to life. Get so busy. I'll get allow all around to it and you'll do it. We'll do it. I know gosh she's still going to do it. And so no you. Don't and i mean the only the only reason why naked i had had that conversation was because a good friend of his was in that position and is still in that position and or at the time was and so we had talked about it we had talked about. Would you want to be living in a hospital with your body. Run on machines able to move. Is that something that we would want in our lives and we both looked at each other that day said. Oh my gosh mel please please please please. Don't don't do that to me when it was said to allow and knowing that we had really exhausted all options knowing that we had fought we had tried. We had done everything we possibly could do. And that just this vicious cycle was not only getting better was just continually getting worse it was. It was very clear that day. Amanda finally got the approval. She needed for elvis to come into the room and see his father for ten minutes looking at nick. She knew that it would be the last time they would ever be together as a family. She piled their three hands on top of one. Another elvis giggled and amanda hoped. It could hear it that battle of trying to get all this end and as a mother and at knowing neck. You know that's right but you're also like no no. Let me do what i need to do. And what i wanna do for neck and neck would want so that day the july fourth day. They finally let me bring. Elvis said for literally ten minutes. But i was thankful for every single one of them just so that they could say goodbye. I don't know if they could hear elvis or could see elvis Elvis there was no recognition from him. That he did and again. Elvis was just turned a year. So i couldn't really tell from elvis anything either but at least that moment happens and that's what meant a lot to me at that moment happened. The doctors told amanda that nick was on one hundred percent. Life support that. What they were doing to his body was no longer causing more good than harm manda kept holding his hand rubbed his head told him she loved him she prayed. She played the music that he loved. They took him off the last machine. Be endo's next life. Those what happened there. It's a lot and i. I didn't talk about it when it happened. I it is now in this book so in my opinion very beautiful way to pass so i encourage people to pick up the book and read about it. There's so much in there that too much to stay on an interview but it. It was a beautiful way to let someone you love go so soon manda clued never thought that she wanted to write a book but she did and the world is better off because of it and now that she has written at. She's so incredibly grateful that she could remember her love. Strove nick this way and get it all down on paper elvis and it was something. I'm so glad that i did because there is so much detail this to this story. So many things happen so many crazy serendipitous events and and beautiful moments within crazy trauma. I don't want to ever forget in now. I don't have to worry about that. Because i one elvis to know this real story one day and now he can't. He has every single detail. It's written down in the machines and the medicines everything the dates in the rooms. And it's all very very clear now for him and i think that will be very important to him as he grows up and starts asking questions and wants to find out. You know this story because he was so young when it happened recounting all of it and going back over it. All with anna. Did it make you see or remember anything about your marriage in a in a different way because most of us don't get to go back and retail our love story. Oh yeah of course. I mean anytime you can look back retrospectively on something A whole new light on it for sure and then not only thinking about it but then actually having to write it down and then edit and then talk about it in an audio book and even in all these interviews it every time you talk about something and get a new light on. That topic continually You know continually learn more and more about who you are who we were why. I think things certain things happened. Why thinking actually we were perfect for each other even though we disagree on a lot of things and always had little arguments he things here and there vice that a lot of that late in the book. We weren't perfect people. We didn't have a perfect marriage. We weren't perfect parents. But i think that's the beauty of being able to look at things veterans affectively. Amanda and nick were broadway. People and amanda writes in her book. That adds broadway people heard. Nick always believed that the show must go on. I asked him about that at the end of our interview. What does that mean in the context of nick staff. She said that it means staying committed to keeping mixed legacy in life alive in the world. Well you know. I think that luckily was the training. I actually this was something. I realized in the book because in writing the book so many people. Ask me this question how did you. How did you keep going. How did you keep doing this. And i realized this is what i've been doing my entire life. I've trained for this. I've trained for the roller coaster of the icu. I've trained for high super highs dropping down the next day to super lows being a broadway. Performer is auditioning everyday being told. No no no no no just showing up the next day with a smile on your face in your hair done and your heels your hands ready to dance again hoping that today's a yes or being in the broadway show and having a job in having a life and having community and having a family and then new york times gives you a horrible review in your show closes in your back to nothing on unemployment making two hundred dollars a week. That was my life for seventeen years. 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Fourth of July Food and Booze Edition With Jason Gay and Adam Rapoport | House of Carbs

House of Carbs

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Fourth of July Food and Booze Edition With Jason Gay and Adam Rapoport | House of Carbs

"Taste buds if you are anything like me and i think you are one of your favorite thing to do while vacationing is to enjoy delicious food and drink plus universal orlando resort in orlando florida we just talked about all the lights in orlando confined vacation experience work even your taste buds get go on adventure would probably take an entire week to try all the food that they have down there at universal orlando here are some fan favorite stops you got hit start your day with a breakfast pizza go i the at their newest universal hotel it's endless summer resort surf side in sweet you could experience a mix of american mediterranean an asian fair cuisine fc award and winning meet those restaurant you could cool off with a lot of rory fusion ice cream cone that universals volcano bay get a taste of italy per dinner oh yes sir with freshly prepared pasta the at vivo italian kitchen and you're satisfy that sweet tooth that'd be end with some chocolate emporium unsavory feast kitchen download universal orlando resort foodie bucket list on their blog end visit www dot universal orlando dot com to start planning your vacation today hungry homeys have you ever had a craft beer while doing yoga in an art museum ball apparently that's the kind of stuff that happened in milwaukee wisconsin no wonder it was named the mid west coolest and most underrated city by boat magazine milwaukee even hosting the biggest music festival in the world it's called summer fest and people actually serve their it sometimes random but always wonderful go to visit milwaukee dot org slash plan trip started that visit milwaukee dot org slash man all right all right all right my hungry homeys my taste buds by ordinary comrade we've done it and we are back is a glorious time to be a hungry homing welcome back to the house oh the food podcast for the hungry people by the hungry people on the ringer podcast network i'm you're hungry host joe house the fourth the july is upon us is officially grilling season my calling their comrades we have to old friends on this week the help us navigate all the ins and outs of what the next two months of grilling might in tell our blood adam rappaport is on to help with some summer flavors the beautiful summer pallet some grilling innovation some techniques and recommendation is only the way that rabbo can deliver an of course are old friend are belly correspondent jason gay is back he has up on the wall street journal right now now seventeen rules first successful fourth of july cookout we're gonna talk to arapahoe and get some of bone apetite starts on the correct way to tackle your grilling over the next couple of months but let's get that belly first without belly correspondent jason gay all right i mean what a week per house some carbs we are on the precipice of a great american holiday probably the greatest american holiday also a terrific eating holiday perfect time to reconnect with the old pals compares some notes share some pointers on the line right now he is an old friend of house of carbs he is a sports columnist at the wall street journal and the humor columnist at the wall street street journal as well as a devoted belly correspondent here at house carbs jason gay welcome back buddy hey thank you so much for having me and i really do feel like that was a series any on tv a house the coroner investment team that's up that is how joe joe gang in the background so if he occasionally here comment they're coming off a four year old who is fired up for fourth july harris well i i know you have a hotdog a in the works for joe joe hopefully multiple hotdogs book before we get going we were gonna go through a survival guide you wrote a a little piece for the journal survival guide to the most important summer job for adults which is grill master but before we get to that i wanna commend you you are not in new york you're not in the greater metropolitan area even you are on vacation and i believe you vacated the greater new york metropolitan area right as nb eight free agency commenced so you were you were able to a ovoid you know one fan base being really happy in one fan base being really sad when was this deliberate brother guy it is absolutely deliberate i hop the get out of town for the free agency curtain burton drops you know how it's it's one of the most insufferable nights of a sports be only possible because you know you just like math psychological trauma tire twitter i have fled to the senate as general in edgar town massachusetts in line to go across the chappaquiddick chappaquiddick very which may be the most preppy you think that's ever been set on house of cards and that might be a high bar well that's true 'cause we we we do take it m were not afraid of the get waspy over here on occasion jason day there are some there are some some eating traditions new england eating traditions that we've honored in and a celebrated did including the the lobster roll now i don't want to reveal all of my insider angles when it comes to new england dining but i have been to martha's vineyard a in in fact i was married on martha's vineyard i have a perspective on some of the great eating establishment on me island i'm not prepared to share my lobster roll a hang out but but there are four five options and folks who busy island kim kun yes it's one of the four five at you would expect that's all that's all i'm willing to say jason i'll i'll throw it out there if you want a wider recommendation on it's been grace church and videotape of that's right a church as a lobster all evening i can't remember exactly what day it is it the deal and it's phenomenal yeah i think it's it's either thursday or friday days i mean part of the problem i lose track of the days when i'm up there at the end of the week thing for sure the great church wow what a lobster wrong but that is one of the four five you i'm glad i'm glad i'm wearing think you're i mean what a lobster roll the key is just you know don't don't let those prices shock you you're not gonna feel like you're ever getting a park in fact you if you do feel like you're getting a park and when a lobster roll issue proficient with the lobster roll down a you know it is not an m a discount by but you know fractional this is the house as it is but mostly i think that that is a perfect segue way into this a seventeen rules that you prepare now you you shared with all of america's taste buds america's hungry homeys your seventeen rules for a fourth of july cookout i believe that we are you know ride on the precipice of two two wonderful months of nonstop grilling so i think these rules applied not just for the fourth of july cookout but really any cookout all the cookouts and they're gonna happen between now and yeah amber 'em yeah so let let let let let's start with with a you're you're you're thoughts on on the the important role of the grill master oh okay i mean listen you are the star of the show you are the prima ballerina you are at the center of attention all day on july fourth day of summer is grilling season july fourth grilling chris masters a lot of attention on you there's a lot of pressure on you probably will have more gas than you ever will if you're you know having the cookout are barbecue in iran and that you know it's not a time to be shy jen i need to be crab janine it'd be confident you ate the have a little bit of slack around to it i suggest if you haven't done a little bit of dr ron really proud of you do that but yeah we had alone parliamentarian all about jesse art of this summer or the fourth of july cookout because you know that's a good one i know about some bad ones i think i'm getting better joe you know i feel like i'm like most things you actually get better with age with really this is this is true i i agree with this now one of the things i liked you emphasizing reminding everybody there is a performance element to the grill master role you want all of the gas at this convening to a i understand that you are master of your domain when it when it comes to the grill there's a there's a reassurance that you know you don't even know it as a guest that you're looking for reassurance from the grill master but we all are i believe it's like getting on that transatlantic flight and that pilot comes out and here she has that it says i've been doing this for quite a long time and they have just that confidence projection that you want i want to just be sort of captain someone you know warm a experience blows them in a grilling experience i don't want the rookie i don't need a first timer i need some trial balloon happening i want someone who's seen it all out of grill so speaking of seeing it all at the grill what is your view on the role of gas in terms of of bringing items a to the grill are you the kind of person in in in in the rules do you contemplate permitting gets to bring ingredients and have requested in terms of grilled items or a if you're if you're a dramatic that means you you're in charge oh you're you're filing that okay so you're people bringing i i don't i so like after twentyfive i am not so in a potluck i think you're throwing a party after age of twenty five thirty you should absolutely for everybody and you know asking everyone to bring something you know look it's not you know the call a board meeting come on people but i feel like you should have a little bit of wiggle room if someone brings something you know see sherman gas just straight matt went up throw that on the grill absolutely who says no to that if someone brooklyn has i dunno a swiss shown art that they want a grill or some sweet corn absolutely i just think that very strongly you have a house rules but the real which means that you could bring this is like yeah but you know not setting the parameters of how that thing is gonna be real you wouldn't bring some guy david shange restaurant in town david chang how to cook it lets you know no sir absolutely not i just compared myself well look back and you believe the hub spot well here's the thing here's the difference between you and david chang david chang there's a reasonable chance said he would know how to cook in any ingredient that was walked into his russia iran of protein a vegetable whatever m i don't mean to demean or diminished your own grilling skills you're you're grilling potency brother gay but if somebody walks walks up to you without without without why don't even know what you call it a bundle of swiss chard an array of swiss chard i don't know what what what a form swiss chard around the head of the class i play but swiss chard what do you wanna do is say brother what you gotta do is it a i think when in doubt the while anthem aluminum foil i might be an amateur but it's kinda hard to screw screw that up right a lot of oil outlook in oil never heard any vegetable it always seems to work out right i showed it to this day i still have that massive yarn upgrade corn i've heard all kinds of approaches broaches to it's never completely doubted in i feel like golf club just never gonna have that perfect roundabout but they're all out you know some days that we will go all right but the fish is growing sunday officially arrived but the meat turn off the veggies around the bulls are real wild card i don't know how you are what your it's sort of like joe but you know you have good days and bad days you quite as the game a person that did you wind up being the high eighty percent i think yeah i i agree with this i mean my own approach to vegetables is to set expectations extremely low yeah and you know i i i just i warned everybody if there's vegetables coming i'm fine with it like we can go go ahead and take a bunch of vegetables in stick them on skewer enroll moran i'll put us a small you know swipe of oil and definitely saw like the important thing to me with vegetables on the grill there's gotta be some salt that that's you know you a have a little bit of the elicit the flavor in diminished whatever moisture the vegetables kerry but it's like it's just gonna be how it's gonna be i'm not gonna get it the temperature perfect it's not gonna come out a you know what the perfect char m i might like put all the vegetables together in a single a vehicle and they all go into a basket together so that i don't dark dropping them you know you're you're you're pieces of pepper aren't falling through the grades m so i i that's my strategy in technique with the best move is this just keep expectations where they belong to my way at the bottom virtually everything in life is to keep x and try to i mean come on an everything in writing in a manner that my children everything longest match nothing from they you know i'm gonna over achieve i have a question for you alluded to a call about i i feel like i at all google bloom at the cookout is timing i yelled many a great griller has launched a cookout by getting going to to make you you're getting grilled going people are three drinks can start to get ugly they're pulling down week in the kitchen you want that thing i will say like piping hot by the time the first dance walks in the door but you wanna be ready check you wanna be crapped out that thing hot role and so you get right down into it this is probably the single best piece of advice that that a emanates from from your column and it is the the preparedness aaron this thing it does resonate this is the thing about the state of life that we are in a brother jason we at this advanced age a at least it i occupy i that that the thing i i don't wanna do is have any interface with the gas except for on my terms which means i never want to apologize for shit i don't want oakley apologizing for anything i did i wanna drink and cook and drink and cook and so the best way to avoid having that kind of contact that unintentional undesirable contact is to just be ready have all this stuff kind of pulled together it's not gonna be perfect i'm not gonna have exact temperature of the grill right there but i know that i will have a nice cold beer in my hand as as the guests arrived that part will be under wraps in the meat will be mostly ready in mostly assembled and so after everybody's kind of through that first drink halfway through it's fine start throwing some easy cook stuff on there let's get a couple of bronx going let's get a little under the kids the kids are losing their mind right absolutely and and i'm glad that the prop as a college of wisconsin you gotta have you you gotta have gotta have the hot out caught up her back kind of a a pregame show we will get going early and you mentioned at all i wanna say joel you cooked up there keep the game face together okay let's not just get completely wobble like early on this they say that this is it any way more is completely in the back but i want you cook and you know striped bass three sheets the word here but that that goes right to the earlier point we made about you know instilling confidence in the gas if you if you can instill confidence if you can't get all of you're you're you're words out so yeah you know the avoid avoid the slur illiterate avoid the slur at the beginning all the things to avoid i'm interested in your take on this for the purposes of a cookout with with gas that that you know a a holiday event like this do you marinate or do you skip the marinate i skip but i can't lie i mean i wish i could say that i was somebody do upsets about meredith and i buy stakes already marinating right there on the bridge but it's not the case and i believe there is growing like an owner operator ethnic i do the job just as well especially percent pay about a cookout which i think fundamentally needs to be casual i think any kind of thing where you have sophisticated ingredient the nerves and all that kind of stuff if you will not capacity but at the two are phenomenal must respect i don't think closer it i'm right there with you i feel like it's fine to have cookouts where it's a smaller convening where you may be having a few couples over an you've collaborated with the group on on maybe certain like a game plan for the meal you have some some some meat pork shoulder something that you wanna do you wanna try something that's a little out of the ordinary man you've you've already cleared it with the guests that you're gonna try this this you know this kind of a innovation perhaps with with the marinate or you know you could do some classic a steak marinade preparation is well whatever you're you're walk of life but that's not what you're trying to do with a cookout to feed the hungry masters right i don't think so an an and i do have i think keeping it simple is that i think is nothing wrong with burgers and hotdogs i that's what i want i you know that i you know i'm perfectly happy to have some part of like you know a new york a third line on fourth of july you give me a hotdog if you repeat the recent nixon's i am i happy happy camper i want cold beer whip out of course this is not some sort of get to show off you wanna get people happy you wanna get fat and you wanna get them out the door fireworks and that is to me the great dirty little secret is the fourth of july is that the ending if everybody has their go to get to the fireworks that's it and that's why the timing that you mentioned in terms of having that that preparation at the beginning that crucial that's this is why you are the windows of their car even know that that said that does as they roll away jason gay the the column is seventeen rolls through your fourth of july cookout you still have time hungry homeys to prepare the cookout not till thursday this show is up you're listening to it are number one belly corresponded responded jay buddy thanks for coming on today hey i appreciate that folks if you're on the market's been here for the july sale at my house you're not but i'm just kidding from everybody pregnant prima donna thank you i love that bye bye all right thanks again jay all right my enormous thanks j j i think we have heard some of the strategies techniques and ships my hungry homeys first successful grilling in this two thousand nineteen summer grilling season we're about to get to rappaport adam rappaport bone apetite own per some summer grilling recipes an innovative strategies but first a quick word from our friends at luminary hungry homeys i love the podcast the trip so i am checking out luminary because it place you confined new episodes of that show you wanna get intoxicated in far off plans with exceptional people that's what numbers about that's vacation they gather you're year but any winter and former anthony bourdain collaborator nathan's durenberger roads in kingdom rooms intersection of travel food and culture withdraw intimate conversations over drank with some food luminaries lifestyle mean those rat jose andres dray end world traveler w come out bell and 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ziprecruiter the smartest way to hire i taste buds are guest today an old old old friend of the pod maybe our our oldest friend i turned on the television last week a it was a a a wednesday morning an i run by good morning america he's he's on television making more from michael stray hand and i i have to confess i i got i was i was jealous so are boy adam rappaport on on the line right now editor in chief of bone apetite magazine rap about what's happening joe how're you doing glad to be back so we we are right on the brink of another great american holiday and another great eating holiday a as is our way here on house of cards we'd love to have you on as these kind of seasonal pallet changes were right in the middle of summer like here in washington dc it's gonna be ninety degrees probably for the next a two and a half months so that that means it's time to do some really were in the real sweet spot of the grilling season were right on the brink of it so let's help out the hungry homeys out there were some of what you guys a bone apetite had been up to your issue right now on the newsstands it is you're summer grilling issue now is the time person adam rappaport a points in pointers yeah so all right but i'm gonna dive right in here saturday i would add this great farm stand butcher shop out of long island called eight hands were they they raise a lot of pork and laminate it off home and like five pm and those in there and that is great looking pork shoulder which is typically what you used to make a pulled pork or both on that sort of stuff is all rolled in tied up in just gorgeous looking and i think that was great but i don't have like eight hours the smoke pork shoulder like two hours before dinner in then i remember this video carla music are food director just shot of she made these gorgeous 'em goes using pork shoulder shoulder stakes a firm the chef rachel yang out in seattle where you take a pork shoulder you slice it in about three quarter inch steaks and then you marinated in this sort of sweet and spicy sauce coaching the creon sort of chili paste a you also throw in a bunch of garlic ginger some zaki mirror and you throw that all in a blender and he got his bright orange sauce and you let the stakes marinate so two things eight we in america we think there's only certain things you can grill and i i think were wrong in with creon grown what you and i have talked about before they take cuts like short ribs brisket pork shoulder though we give it a brace for hours and hours amy's slice i'm saying enough you can grill over medium high heat and they're so juicy in so flavorful 'em that it sort of changes the way you think about what the quote unquote grilling cut let let me ask you a couple of questions before you you keep going because i i will tell you some of what intimidate me about the idea of buying a big cut of meat and then cutting it down is i'm not like a competent butcher so like how good is you're knife do you have have great knife skills when you're cutting these not the proper stakes what do you do if you don't if you ask you butchered do it for you a a really you know whether that means a butcher shop or natural butcher account or in this case you know boneless pork shoulder already all rolled up entire that you would have thought as a roast doing a dutch oven embrace for hours so i just told my let's say you just take four beautiful little three quarter of an inch slice it you know stakes out of that road in boneless a shoulder and i mean it almost looks like a larger version of water fillet many auto what a beef tenderloin would look at so just like yeah slice right into these rounds yeah here's what here's what he he knows how to do he's got exactly so that's in my mind like all right great looking pork shoulder i know i can make into the stakes who i watched carlin music on our youtube channel bottom tv to channel do it but i was like okay i don't have any go charging i do have a ginger and garlic back home and you know i've got some cooking oil i don't have any marin i don't have any stock hey but i like you know what screw that i can rip here so i bought today at the farm stand they sell homemade saracho saw since russia's similar to go saying it's still a chili sauce you know it's got some garlic and sugar in there but that's fine an well i did not have sucky or mirren at home i did have a fridge full rose eight i'm mike you know wine is wind basically painted they're gonna throw it on a squeeze and art and puree it's like it's it's it's close enough it's see it's sweet it's garlicky gingery there's some alcohol in their honestly you probably would not be able to tell the difference between the the puree the berry marinated but i made in the one that caro made in the video in in the the point is like embrace whatever the most important element of a recipe is in riff on it from there in this case the most important element was grilling brazing kind of meat so taken a pork shoulder could have been a short rivers something in marinating it is something spicy and sweet and that's what i did in that grilled it and it was so effing good joe i mean it's so good super crispy and shellacked in charlotte on me outside and i nailed it like a perfect medium idiom slash medium rare so it's still a little bit paying in super juicy on the inside and all that sort of intramuscular fat that you see in a pork shoulder that just sort of melts in that turns into a pure flavor and god it was good so i have two questions for first of all i don't remember seeing this on instagram did you posted i did post your property out playing golf when you are paying attention a great point maybe maybe i did it made my life get so annoyed at me 'cause i'm always taking pictures of everything before we you know we just already you take a picture where everything and i'm like yes it is literally my job to take a picture everything like that's what i literally get paid to do and not posting on instagram i literally not doing my job so just bear with me i mean i get the frustration nation but it's like i do it at do i get it i i become a that annoying guy as well well the reason i ask is because we will post together on a at be house of carbs and then you could post this well when this episode goes up to the hungry homeys really love it when we give them a little visual to go along with what we're talking about what these recipes in these techniques you here's my other question for you any other aspect of what i was intimidated by as you were describing this so we've solved howdy we cut these properly because the butcher will do that for us how about cooking hey white meat like this in a way that prevents it from drying out even with the marinate in and i wanna mention how long do you marinated and then tell me the the cooking sort of technique the duration how do you how do you conquer that yeah so i'm gonna get to 'cause i i have a a a a secondary thought on marinate coming up next 'em which it sort of helps them do you the cuts of meat with with a lot more flavor an moisture but one thing like first of all when it comes to pork 'em by good pork like we talked about this before also but if you buy good pork chops like the kind of a good butcher or farm stand like the heritage breed where there's actual fat around me outside 'em they're just beautifully raised a humanely raised and all that you don't have to cook it all the way through a good pork chop should be just below media you know what i mean it should still be a good pork chop should be just below medium to still be a little bit tank in the center in a little bit juicy just like anything else don't overcook it if you overcooked any kind of meat it's gonna be dry 'em in i i so i you know i buy good pork chop now i do buy like a good rabbi and make sure to sort of keep it sort of not overcooked i wanna juicy at one a little bit paint gandhi inside still well so what what how long in what temperature like you i know you're a charcoal a kind of guy so like how do you feel like you're really long how these things go okay in general i would say this i mean obviously it depends on how thick the kind of made whether it's a pork shoulder steak or a pork ribs shop 'em you know i always if he it always helps if you're ground go a little bit thicker to give yourself a little bit more cushion you know 'cause if it's too thin it's gonna cook road really quickly if you're doing any if you're doing any sort of steak you want that grill almost as hot as possible you don't want flare ups you know the the the flames leaping up the dripping fat but by the time crispy on each side in especially if you turn it on its edge that outer fat cat crispy it's gonna be done you know what i mean it's been it's been caught if it's if it's only an inch thick by the time he had one side super crispy you barely have to flip it over before the this the steak or the pork chop has done an okay i think as you grill more he's gotta touch touch with their finger but it's getting farm that means it's totally done it should still have some give to it okay so it's it's basically the same all the same principles you would you prefer estate firm rabbi it's the same basic cooking technique the same basic approach right yeah and i honestly i i even extend the chicken if you if you have some good marinated chicken breasts are boneless chicken thighs and i love boneless chicken thighs grill and they just have a lot more flavor of natural fat in them 'em you know by the time you get that one side super crispy crunchy interest and beautiful and glazed or not you flip it over it's gonna be cold through on a hot grill you know it's like you you you don't need to cook things as for as long as you think let me ask you is a farce yeah right in that same main what is the temperature of this pork like did you let it sit out after you bought it would go like refrigerator the grill you need the trying let it you know get warmed up a bit before you put it on the grill like what's your strategy for that yeah 'em in general what any sort of steak you typically most but you wanna you wanna let them sit out for about an hour before you throw momma grill you wanna let them come to congress temperature as they say so they're not cold in the middle still you know so i you know i i came home i made up the marinate through it and is it blocked bag throw it in the fridge for an our wide did bissonnette took it out let it sit there for me being our well i got the rest of my sort of vegetables and whatnot ready yeah and then just threw it on the grill and walls on the grill i had some reserve marinated was brushing it a with that stuff it again i it's so hard to say with growing just like how hot is you're grill house thicker or you're cuts of meat right right you know any any steak is always gonna take if it's crispy in gorgeous on the outside it's done you know i love it okay so you mentioned a you're you're you gave us a little foreshadowing about another strategy that you're using to ensure 'em you know the the sort of a flavor of the marinated it is imported 'em to this to this cut of meat and were talking about raising meet that were not converting into grilling meat let's talk about what that that technique is all about bro okay so we have a piece center june july issue called marinate after grilling 'em an this is kind of a riff on a classic spanish technique mediterranean called esca bash were in the la times grilled fish often kind of a white fish flaky fish that's not to flavorful word 'em ten then sort of david in a degree anini a sort of vinograd if you will in the fish sort of absorbs all that bright clean acidic flavor until you have the crispy charles eskin flaky del could wait flash and then something that sort of adds a little bit to it so we're like all right well we take that same philosophy implied steak chicken pork chops etc so on good morning america for instance for or or guy george stephanopoulos george one at stake so we did a a a dish from from this new issue called soy sauce marinated grilled flank steak with scallions into what you do is this she got flank steak which is a really popular grilling cut because you could feed a crowd with flank steak there is no bones it's relatively lane it's pretty easy cut the handle and you see those stri asians in massana playing sake you know what i'm talking about which makes it it makes it very easy the cut across the grain 'cause you know exactly where the grain it's like you can't miss it so this one you salt and pepper steak like you know pretty liberal you like you would any steak you grill it until it's nice in chart in gorgeous sunny outside medium rare inside let it rest for five minutes you slice it and you've got some grilled scaling is also you put it on your plate on his sermon platter in then you take the marin aid which is essentially soy i saw some light brown sugar little distilled wine vinegar bit of saracho toasted sesame oil in a little mayor in the sweet japanese rice wine in you just pour that all over the state so all of a sudden you know the crispy grilled charred steak sort of luxuriating in this sweet salty marinated otherwise would have been left in the kitchen in a bowl or is it block bag somewhere it's like why leave all the good stuff in the kitchen you know like hey man marinate in give shake after it comes off the grill instead of before it goes on the grill so you know that i have fifty question 'em okay go at it it's my way so you you you kind of answered one of them's you're you're saying with this flank steak you would not pre marinate it you would you would just go ahead and cook it straight up salt and pepper do you cut the meat it all before you put it on the grill you just cook it like a regular steak on the grill clutch camacho outcome if you just take that take that full flank steak you would any other saying listen anytime you go to any good steakhouse when you order a steak you're getting salt and pepper that is what you're stake a season with so that's this is normal all forsake you know it's not anymore let me tell you why i'm asking you in a miss because i'm trying to get my head around this idea of how a steak that 'em you you cook sort of normally and then you prevent it with the with the marinate after the fact how's the mayor and they have any ability to adhere to the meat well okay because you take this take off the grill medium rare crv outside let it rest five minutes the juices inside sort of collect inside you slice it against the grain so then when you lay it fan it out on the planet or he says it's exposed in then you hit this beautiful marinate so that marinate soaks into every single slice as well as you're as you're there dining you might take you a piece and you put it back in there and you swap up a little bit or that merit eighty now it's like in the meat you sort of mingle with american aid yeah clearly see you have to let the steak how long do the flank steak if you if you were i would just cook a regular playing snake how long you let that rest so the meat subtle it could be you know ten minutes five minutes is fine and then you slice it as any ordinary and then you introduce the marinate post slight post all the juices having settled in properly in a once you you a coded it once it's been south properly well how long do you let you let it sit in additional a period of time our latest okay that's that's that's a good question i'm reading a magazine right now and it's you know drizzle be the it marinate and yada yada yada but i don't want those really i i wanna i wanna i wanna see our you're you're you're portland marinate odd but then you take any of those juices from the cutting board never left on the cutting board and drizzle back on top okay guys let's sit at least fifteen minutes are up to an hour if you wanna serve it as more of a room temperature sort of thing i'm like if the thing is my deal like they're like oh let it rest ten minute wait for this i'm like i want the mistake i want some now i am not waiting twentyfive minutes eat my steak so i'm just saying like that's what the the fancy test kitchen editors at mount up but he recommend i know i'm gonna gave you maybe five to seven minutes resting before i slice and then maybe five minutes a sort of luxuriating of that saucy for i eat it could not waiting twentyfive minutes that's just me why you and i are the exact same walk of life you know me if i if i gone all the trouble of cooking it i've gone to the trouble of preparing the grill and the charcoal and everything like that and getting get the temperature i bought the meeting that you know the salt and pepper and i but the meat set to get to a temperature were cooked properly all the way through once that meets cooked i wanna eat it so i don't wanna i don't i don't have the patience to sit around and wait a although i do understand the principle of flooding this a what do we have this technology we have a name to the technique a post marinate will be calling it right hey yeah reverse marinated reverse marinate hang out and hang out sash yeah but yeah so but yeah you want to absorb the flavors and so yeah and so in this article we've got four pork chops of recipes were grilled chicken with limited in time and the nice thing about for instance when your grilling meets that have not been pre marinated like chicken what the skin on that the chicken goes on the grill and you could get really padded dry dry so ereck roast chicken at home you want that skin as dry as possible before it goes in the oven 'cause moisture is he enemy of crispy you know what i mean so same thing with grilling and so when you don't marinate chicken for instance you pat down that skin dry as possible and that's gonna give you right crispy nicely charred skin and then you sort of south set up with the the lemonade and olives and the time in the oil and in that's gonna give you that sort of again that that that the flavor on a platter instead of back in the kitchen okay so i i liked this very much and i will say this i think one strategy that might work for me my my walk of life i don't wanna speak for you although we've we've done enough eating together i bet this would work for you as well if i if i'm having a drink if i know that i have a drink and it's a friday may raise what do you mean what do you mean what do you mean if you're having a drink while we've we've had a drink during the grilling session but there needs to be a deliberate like 'em while this is marinating drink commitment like when i need it gives us the ten minutes to get the full benefit the full effect of the reverse marinate hang out there were calling it the reverse barely hanging out hanging needs to have a you know a a some alcohol component to it let's talk about what are all call choice now obviously i know you're about to soda 'em and that's obviously what you're drinking during the grilling but if it's if it's if it's hot out grilling season is there some other alternative beverages that we might think about the might go along with this exercise there are in an i can refer to our wine editor murray say ross who lives out there in sunny elway some of her recommendations but first i'm gonna go to bat and i know says like i know i'm not supposed to say this but i you know what i want you know i love right now i love a rosy sprint sir i take some rosa say i put it on ice and i hit it wasn't club soda 'cause i'm if i'm drinking all day or grilling like i i wanna in the party you know what i mean like i will put anything on ice put anything with club soda so i'm like i'm literally i feel like rose eight could be too sweet sometimes so i'm like this kind of cuts the sweetness x then is it a little bit so i gotta glass with ice and bubbly water and you guys were they in there i know it's not quote unquote 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extends the road they ritter as well but i well the thing on whether the there's the spreads spritzers fickle sprinter back in the day of american i think i said americanization of an italian drink where the spread you got unity per seco some sort of tomorrow like product for tomorrow campari tapper all 'em so now you've got club soda on top of that so but basically it's protecting an a sort of deja steve sort of a these are my issue so the new york times did a piece like a very internet he pees like oh and bullshit on napper all spreads the problem was a lot of people like that brought spreads he has a problem with the peace itself was it was it's like if you're gonna talk a lot of minutes back you better be able to write it in a way that is internet is not kind of wind com nerdy a that's a whole other issue but i will say that i should i like my version of appro spreads i do think annapolis brits in general is way too sweet people put way too much apper all in the glass and in terms of that neon orange and it's too syrupy i don't like that what i do love to do is get a big wine glass filled with ice fill it ninety five percent the way with per seco and then just throw in like a dash of apper all almost like you would do bitter isn't a drink and until they that that sort of turns it a nice blush gives it and they sort of orange blush but it doesn't make it that calling overbearing apple syrupy this which i think too many appro spritzers do had into that territory so i always know i go to restaurants now again i think everything on ice and the summer i'm like can i get a per seco on ice with the like a suggestion of apper i'll just get us mitch well that's that's kind of like my the dry martini i like where i say just just show the martini vermouth don't don't just show it just take the bottle in way but above don't don't open the bottle just waving in the general neighborhood that's all i wanna move with knowledge it yes i again i so that's i that's where i'm at is something i want it fizzy in the summer and i want it really really cold and i love everything magic might be on ice i know people give shit about that but whatever so maryetta who they much more knowledgeable refined person i know she's introduced me to a couple of things one which i love and you can look for carbonic read i just thought a case of there's a winery called the the merit h a m e r i g n y which is references a neighborhood in new orleans which is where the winemaker kind of from and now he has a winery hurry out in oregon and it's a he makes these this carbonic pino in law and what carbonic means it's part of the wind making process which martha could claim better than i but it sort of infuses interviews the wine with a slight effervescent it's not quite carbonated in the way that it for seco or champagne would be when you drink it and there's a little a little dip to it who kind of like the song an so with these wines he's read their light in color end in body you serve them cold you don't put on over ice but just you show them in there such a perfect barbecue wine 'cause they they they kind of go great with the ribs pork chops that sort of stuff there's zipping it's too cold and that's something you should be on the lookout for especially big and they sort of a natural line world right now so carbonic read put on their list joe alfie yeah so this let me ask you about this because i have a pre she ate did your effort a and by extension tension mirus his effort to 'em walk into the natural wine phenomena in many times i've been in your company we we've ordered national wind as the wind that we drink a friday evening my personal tunnel challenge that i'm trying to overcome is it's it's still timmy like the first we have that i get the first sort of 'em taste profile i get is it's us midge musty it's us mitch like masih and that's not my brain like processes you know wine that's not association in my head in my mouth when it comes to wine what do you what is how do you describe the first kind of hit of the carbonic that is a dip earners in that same sort of basic no well it depends on the line i mean like you know why it's it's it's it's just common in beausoleil region of france so this is not overly sort of natural line sort of thing i think a lot of natural natural ones that your call the mind are sort of often unfiltered wind maybe they're white they're kinda cloudy there's a certain certain barnyard next to them i think that very much is an acquired taste is one of those things the more you drink it the more you sort of get used to it it's like you know smelly cheeses yes okay do you think smelly cheeses discussing adult and you're like oh there's a part of this roper it is amazing you sort of come around to it i do think there were a lot of natural wines that not in that manner that are filter they're they're cleaner than they also there's just a little bit lighter typically then they're not these big macho read you're gonna find in napa or bordeaux 'em and i said i i really liked them especially in the summertime they're just kind of go down easier so like i said carbonic read i love that nat which is the actual all natural and that's kind of a natural version of of of of a percent lower champagne but with less carbonation again fruity or and finally what mirus it was writing about men are new issue and you mentioned something called code ferment and i'm gonna reader goes she knows what she's talking about and i don't a gopher mantar made my fermenting multiple great fridays in one vessel red white seriously any great combi cofer men did with another to create a new expression but don't confuse them with the lens wines that are permitted separately been poured together tastes kind of like decorates i'm kidding i think of gopher men's like sunsets slightly unpredictable because you're dealing with nature but always beautiful so that's another sort of sort of wind term to be on the lookout for this year a you know you'll see more of them were where it's a blend of red and white grapes and it just gives a slightly more nuance less sort of assertive one note flavor and you're like oh this is nice new survey showed again great summer great for grilling so i'm gonna put you on the spot have you tried any cooperman yet i've tried some and then it's one of those things where i was not really paying enough attention as like hanging out of the barbecue and you're like oh this is good it's like i'm hanging out at a barbecue drinking cold wind eating a burger like everything's gonna be good so i take my word for everything that she tells me i tell her she's crazy and i ignore and then two years later i find myself doing what she was telling me to do two years ago when i when i told her that she wasn't crazy so that's basically the way that are sort of relationship and gone these last several years yes she's wrong until she's right at the end of day always right yeah so she's always right so that's the idea okay so that that so we've we've we've laid out a whole bunch of options in terms of alcohol component but i liked the driving force behind it which is like cool maybe with a little effort besson's an a you know something that's gonna go great without are grilled meats now i we we've done frawley a cautionary comrades out there i think a a a real genuine public service in terms of this reverse marinate hanging out by m i do before i let you go want hear about this thing that you made pre straying 'cause i am kind of curious about oh yeah it was a grill you had a grill in i'll i'll let you tell he put a challenge in front of you you you you take if we had we had the three host on amy roebuck she wanted chicken so we there these some ball chicken skewers which are one of my favorite recipes from poverty just that and and like us on ball alexa racia merit aid a chick grilled chicken thighs boneless chicken thighs again can't endorse him enough when come growing season instead of boneless chicken breast surgeons juicy her more flavorful and i love anything on skewer you get the more little crispy bits things quick hook more evenly quickly when you come into even sized chunks so we did that ramy we did a the soil marinated flank steak after marinated marinate after growing for stephanopoulos and then straight in a meeting with my publishing okay so michael wants grilled dessert and he really likes chocolate and rick well what that's where we saw like why like who like who does it just you know even ice cream sandwiches old eventual he became around to okay well we'll just give him what he wants so what we decided to do is eight grilled it's more ice cream sandwich so we took brioche role grilled that you know cut in half road at flat side down until he's got nice and hot and crispy took it off the grill in smeared it within the tell us tell what kind of melted did like when you ever take toast and you spread glossy you know in milwaukee meanwhile we had some skewers what's marshmallows go until they got all hot and crispy and guiliani inside slid that off you know how you sort of like pinch pinch though low for a pitch the brioche slow around obscures he is slide off the marshmallows into that through it a scoop of vanilla ice cream on top the top spot on and squirt should all downey how incredibly messy but delicious grilled smaller is ice cream sandwich which there were some kenny kenny you eat it with their hands yeah you can't well it's interesting so ginger one of the gals on said she was doing it open face style which made sense hands on what ties what ties brioche she get the thing is this actually is rooted in tradition if you've ever gonna sicily 'em you often get gelato served in little sweet brioche roles and it's like a sicilian ice cream sandwich that's how they do it there so the jato is nice and soft belittle brioche role is really soft and squishy makes for a great delicious you know the pistachio a pillow tucked in there so you know there is a precedent for this and i think i think the key to making it work is buying good brioche roles that are too big you know i don't know if you would need honestly i think you could do it with out the marshmallows yeah the marshmallow mellow and anew tell a seamless like slightly redundant but i'm i'm imagining this is like in the same asylum as my very favorite dessert on planet earth which is proposing rules which is you know with ice cream and chocolate a on top of like the basic components of a pro federal i'm i mean i'm not doing it full justice but 'em you're basically taking their their their brioche and adding it you know adding a layer of sweetness a with the new tell a an marshmallow it or not depending on your your preference and then you could use the brioche as like the the hands tool to like grab the they used a scoop of ice cream and switched it in there and you could hold it and then drizzle chocolate or or not or or whatever other sort of condiment on top if that's the by getting it right yeah i think you need you need a chocolate more than you need the marshmallow you have the ice cream i don't think you need the marshmallow and the thing about the debris oh should we think about if you're talking about professor all the little puff patriot mobile potter shoe but those pops but they're not sweet what is we of ice cream and the chocolate syrup tickets part all over so not every element needs to be sweet so again i think it's finding a way to you know it is it or whether you're talking about you know pamper do which is basically french toast like something sort of brady in karbi that can sort of be a base the sweet stuff on top of it so i i wanna i wanna experiments some more at this but the notion of something grilled i i would also like the notion of before i grill the brioche for instance like maybe brushing it melted butter so but when it's put down on the grill it really takes on a beautiful color and maybe just take one half in sort of cut it open a little bit of something that it's almost like a hotdog role any any minute tell in there i think of a way i have a little bit more even disbursement of disbursement is that even a word i dunno of the hotel a vanilla ice cream in the role the one that we may for stray hand to roll forward there is a little bit more bread a needed to be but i think there's something there we just need to take a bit more time to develop it yeah well how good the meanwhile kind of changed objects please do i am a die hard charcoal guy like i've always preached charcoal again yes in arguably hotter than a gas grill you smell charcoal you know it's summertime you know it's time the crack open a beer sorry grilling i bought a gas grill this year i i don't hold that against you for the frequency the cooking now i you you also have you're charcoal grill it's not like you took a charcoal grill and and threw it off the doctor anything right sitting side by side with their gas grill am i right yeah i realise and this is partly neighbors complaining about the smoke i love new york city so it is where we deliver better a shoulder to shoulder with each other a be a charcoal grill yeah great for the weekend yeah when i don't even get home from work till seven pm it's nice to have that option i could just turn it on and it's ready to go now that said because i'm like a fancy boy food editor i but he really fancy gas grill called links l y n x that are just they get insane saintly hot and it's like an entire you've ever seen some of those gastro that have a serious tation rescale orange you know in a certain part of the entire thing is the fear station so it gets blazing hot in that the thing most gas grills like the cheaper ones you buy are just three little plame strips that don't create that wall of heat that charcoal will end the end that's that's a big advantage charcoal you have a bed of glowing orange calls that just generate those wall of heat that that's how you get that beautiful even see her on a rabbi whereas gas grills typically it's the the greats of the grill that heat up so that's where you get those little just grill marks but you don't get and even cooking crispiness so i'm okay with a gas grill if you get a really nice one in there are nice ones out the problem is they're typically much much more expensive because they're like you know it's like they're between buying a portion by a camry and i guess i'm not be enough about grilling that if i was gonna do what i need to get a good one but i i do have to admit that it's like oh that that was really easy at a really quick and so i kinda come around in my in my older years out of all right i'm not totally antigay gas grill just more free kick your when it comes to the gas grill well it just it it it opened up another avenue for you like you would did you add on it on on deservedly a turned off the possibility of a weekday grilling 'cause it's not like you come home from work and they're gonna take the time to go ahead and build the the charcoal in you're i would call it's at courtyard oh tell me you're the chimney you're not gonna build a charcoal and the chimney and wait for it and then let it get all white now i mean it's a it's a weekend on the weekend life yeah i do and i have but it's just one more thing to worry about where it's interesting when you have time on the weekend and i'm sitting outside i loved that process of watching the right creep up and then you know and then you see turned orange flames you dump it out you're just standing it'd be talking with a friend looking at the fire it's relaxing it's a meditative ramsey when it's eight on tuesday night when it's eight fifteen in the fire is still not ready or like it's a point of stress so yeah i get it it's so much assert circumstance a lot of america has already has already reached the conclusion about tuesday nights they know that's why they ask your great popular and and you know i'm glad to hear you relented a in in in you're a middle age age a with with you know taking the southerners level down a bit that that's a very commendable my my question to get that kind of heat though for this grill feels like you might have used a lot of fuel is a a a a gas gamblers it a propane maniac it that's what i'm trying to figure out i i've i've only gone through my i'm not even going through my first tanker propane so it doesn't seem to be insane but i i have a hard time of gaining a sense of how much propane is used on each which one i need to go get another propane tank and there's a little yeah it's not easy in new york city 'cause like fire hazards and it's like you can't just by a bunch at the home depot he had return one before get another yada yada so i need to get better schooled in that whole situation but oregon on it and yeah you have time that's absolutely right a well look i think we we've done it fervor all the taste buds the hungry homeys out there we've given you a a a cut of meat you might not have thought about we've given you marinate technique you might not have thought about we've given you a handful of drink option there is now a beautiful dessert option that remains a work in progress even for the hungry is homey himself adam rappaport end the test kitchen at bone apetite i mean it's not like you you have the opportunity to go do a little problem there buddy i would say this i would say to all the listeners out there who have been so great anytime i've been on it it's amazing how many guys well dm me when we've done we did that crazy episode the first time and people are sending shots of their teacher big and poor the middle aged people all he's been really great it sort of sharing their images of what we talked about the i would be curious like who sort of come up with the best version of this grilled old ice cream sandwich you know what what's he ideal bond and what isn't a tell the chocolate sauce you know what how do you do it best 'cause i'm totally open and i would love to see that i do think there's a potential there just seems to be refined i i if there if anybody out there is a a a quip to take on the challenge it's it's the taste buds listen to a house of carbs so will do this rap while you are on instagram you are at rappaport at r f p o p o rt and we also have at house of cards will be cross referencing one another will get a couple of pictures up if you're a beautiful pork from last weekend maybe it will throw up a couple of photos of of what these the alcohol beverages members were talking about and then all the taste buds out there you hit us hit rappaport hit me how some carbs and let's go ahead and see what you could do with this the craziest thing rap oh yeah but i would love to see that in amazing going barnaby dot com for they go charging pork shoulder steaks or just google pork shoulder stakes potato it'll pop up that flank steak one is soy sauce marinated grilled flank steak and scallions they're both awesome joe house thank you for me on once again always a pleasure rappalo it'll be fall soon enough it will be talking about some delicious chilly i hope football food bags buddy my taste buds there you go hopefully you are feeling empowered having heard from those two old house of carbs friends of vars beautiful recipes from rapper in particular we will get up on instagram be house of carbs is r i g address will get some picks up of some of those recipe she ideas that rapple with discussing with us end if you have your own hand that you've tried and you have some picks you wanna send our way hit us at the house of carbs will get up there we love the belly sourcing we we are back next week by hungry homeys a delicious delightful episode with a very special guest somebody that i really feel like it's it's it's amazing that we've been on for two years and haven't had this person on yet also check out be instagram i am gonna be on the road las vegas nevada and las angeles 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You said you were going to say he's not gonna kick me out. Let's not start okay. So i'm i'm going to interview them very quickly and then well briefly really briefly and then we're going to head on out of here okay. So not on wednesday. It will be on today. Okay l. question how are you doing. Have you been drinking your water. Have you been minding your business on new know. Whose business have you been minding You have to use your words mine. Why you minding my business though. Isn't that good. You can't mind my business business. Why do we didn't do the yeah. Okay so l. a. You wanted to come on here today right. It's for why. Why and saying never go to work the you never go to work with me and now you're here. What is it like being at work with me today. Do you have time to talk to my phone. What's it like being at work with me today to me. Oh get really wanna hang out few a lot today. Won't have to do in the middle of the night. We get these modi's moments in these. That's okay okay mckinsey. you're here. Why are you here today. Because i wanted to tear but you guys made me a promise that if you came to work in with me today that you guys would be nice to each other. How's that going going gray. Yes okay do you have anything else. You want me to ask you before we Have staff what. Tell me what. And then i can ask you. Shortlist does tell me okay So here's the thing so Oh jane and causes l. is giving me baby fever that me. She wants to You're making want to have a little baby. kids yourself. Sweet are you so you are. Yes and you are very nasty. Kinsey must have the time to rain. Okay most of the time is a stretch at. That's a big stretch extinct. You don't want ella. Okay all right so listen. I'm finish interviewing you. Finish luncheon the conference from. And i'm gonna interview kinsey one on one and then on monday can you out. I'm sorry no a question. And then i'll kick you guys both out. Everything's i don't like that. I didn't s okay. Come on all right. So as kinsey. A question i can go to work. What's your favorite test. Annum stuffed animals well as vast favoritest. His name was lambing. I've had him since. I was four. Okay i have a question. What makes you guys happy me. You okay. You do that. What makes you sad puppies dying. Oh wow wait where to get dark. Okay what's your favorite song Owned by anthony ramos. Okay all right so kinsey. I want you to escort. Kinsey to the co L. to the conference room right. Yeah and then. I can team. Yes 'cause he's going to. I'm on like kinsey. Won't stay in and you don't get to go to know. We'll never allow that okay. Thank you guys appreciate that by love you. Now be careful. She not staying while blocking the camera. Okay yeah everything's fine. Okay here okay. So high listen. I brought the girls to work with me today. In shanez never been more stressed. She's never been more stress at leash is watching somewhere in new york and the girls are going to be in your office while you're away and i hope you're ready for that okay. Listen oh ballard is kind. Get your shit. This is a shop woman. Yvo shirt you are enough. Always have been always will be an. I got that from shop. Woman evolved dot com And it is cozy and it is what i through on today and praised the lord. James says because i like hanging out with you. Omg md my uterus just exploded. That is hilarious. Actually says i know alabama and i cry. Been nanterre she's not gonna cry all l. worried about making sure that mackenzie doesn't come back in here. And and i. I did a little side i wink but l. is definitely gonna come back in here so things are gonna get okay. This is going to be your most eventful because l. is not going to let this go down like this okay. So we're going to try to rescue eve. Okay okay and you know what rescuers coaching says. Poor kids she just wanted to say. Let me tell you something and a lot of things. Why would you say that. That's not nice. Tinging says by and cherie it s. jr trick in l. At its ev. No not fully my says it. This isn't a real mommy moment. I don't know what it will. Real mommy close said kinsey character. A real mommy mom was going to be what happens when ella coming here. Fees kinsey played her. Okay i need you to come a little bit closer because we're sharing the microphone today. Okay and it's time for us to rescue people and to have hail marys and to just do all of the things. Do you remember what rescue eve is about you. Do the podcast about once a year. Do you remember rescue eve. Our faiths she on my face can't okay yeah You try to forgive people for doing unforgivable things. Well there's nothing. That's too unforgivable. For god so the goal is for us to become. I don't know how i could be god well. The goal is to be more. Like jesus is the point you know so. That's what we're gonna do. What i'm trying to be christ like okay. Casey says yeah. Everything's fine but let me tell you something. I am an. Everything's fine queen. It is my favorite thing to say. How's burning good. Everything's fine okay. Alright so let me see. I have rescue eve story somewhere. And i'm gonna pull them up because that's what we're here to do. That is what we are here to do. We are here to rescue people to rescue matt. Look at email not look at my no snow. I think they're in my out there. It is boom chaaka are right here. We go lego all right. I'm ready my bag. Is i wasn't ready before a k. birth is. She says she don't know how she could be glad she's she's working on it she's gerard. How's your walk with. How are you vocal about your faith or not so much you not to be if don't want to. Yeah how's your walk going slow walk. No i didn't raise you to be the santana in your mind. No wow look at these. genes z. Are you whatever you want. Look at these gingy. As when i say house. You're going to hear salsa santana and not your walk with the lord. What is wrong okay. Well it's kind of your fault because he posted that one clip on minnie mouse. Walking at ella's birthday played that one clip of assault on the questions and night. What is wrong. Stay focused on the questions. Because he got busted. Okay so are you gonna. Can you answer the question. You can compensate. Answer the question same time. How's your walk. how are you doing. How was your life. My life is doing going great. You gotta keep your mouth closer to over here. i'm out just keep talking. just keep talking I'm doing great. you know life. great keep talking. just keep talking You want her out of here. She cameras and soon as she finishes question. I must i'm sandra out. In the second. Come on story. I walk with the lord is going great. You know great good stuff. How kennedy okay. So you're eleven. maybe somebody's listening. And they have an n eleven year old. Who don't care about the lord jesus or worship or nothing and what would you say to them to help them maybe try and create a space for their kids have a relationship with guy. I do understand that. I don't think it should be forced on them. But i do think that Every once in a while if they get annoyed every time you hint at it. I wouldn't push it but Lady just let them take their time And really realize it. Maybe start something like read. This bible Once a week and then you can Do this have a friend over and memorize the bible scripture present it to me at the end of the week you can have this friend over. I sleep over Because i d love. Bribe them exactly. That's exactly how gen z is. Do yeah okay so bribe your children and then there's a relationship genuine ours. It forced If you give them time it'll be genuine. I mean at first it will force but then the more your kid does things From personal experience more you could dustings show realize No matter what you're going to end up having a relationship with the lord how you figure. Why are you. say that Because at first. I felt like it was forced and then i was like i just came to a moment where i really needed him. And then Mom would usually say like we can't force your relationship. We can't do this for you have to do this on your own. And with god. God will always be with you blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah x y and z x. Wising all right all right. So there's words of wisdom from an eleven year old on how to get your children in a space where they will be open to receiving relationship with god k sounds like bribery and then turns into a authenticity and their relationship with god. Let's move onto the rescue. Maybe i am the rescue. Are you know you not rescue eve. You doing good so far But we're gonna see what happens. Ss oldham gnc folks. Because i thought it was evangelism. But this ain't that okay okay alright Insurance as kids are the best at deflecting. Ll through all the way under the bus with the minnie mouse posts. I love it in deed okay. I'll jane she's so much on it so okay here we go here. We go all right. Rescue eve let's see what's happening out here. No okay steph. No stephanie bennett has a unique way of living with her boyfriend. Patrick and very distinctive way of cooking. She okay here. We go all right. Hey al how you doing all right. Nice to see you back here. You go okay okay. I'm just going to here. I'm going to read the story and we're going to decide if we're going to rescue someone or not okay. We're going to throw them a life jacket or both yacht for sure we will okay. Stephanie bennett a unique way of doing things. am very distinctive way of cooking. She also claims to use only one lightbulb and won't let her man shower for more than two minutes. The couple appeared on. Tlc extreme cheapskates series. Nearly eight years ago to rebuild the great extents they go to cut back on. Bills footage from episode was shared by. Tlc to youtube in march. Twenty twenty stephanie. In doctor's office walked viewers through our everyday life. Any who says that she cooked. Okay wait a minute. No deputy wraps are lasagna with a tin foil putting it in the dishwasher for ninety minutes while she cooks the meal as it reaches a hundred and seventy degrees fahrenheit and doesn't use extra gas from the oven. She admitted to cooking fish. Hotdogs analysts donya in the dishwasher all the time. Stephanie also saves money when cooking lasagna by purchasing beef fat to mix with the meat she even used recycled tomato sauce by supplementing. The meet with beef that stephanie. Save seventy five percent on the ingredients for her lasagna. She is she's black okay. She lost her black cart. You came even skating. Yep no no. She drowning don. You hate you barely hanging onto your own okay. So she'd cooks lasagna. In the dishwasher because she wants to save money i like it And you know. What i i. I don't want go because you was on us good and you cook it in that oven but save money. Sometimes you got to be willing to save money but it's not a gas. Bill is not about look at her food into the dishwasher. I can't do it. i wanna know how. She came to the knowledge that she could cook it in the in the dishwasher you know what if she pays her gas bills and stuff like that for the oven been might as well use it. That's what i'm saying. Okay but right okay. It was a little off because gas doesn't use the dishwasher. But i understand what you're saying she's paying for and on your electric electric bill right. does something imagine not knowing anything about bills. Take me back lord. Take me your word that you would restore what the location and the bill. Collectors has eaten. God make me like a out. Only those who will become like children. Father take bet. She's got my electricity bill. High that what it is. That's what it's called you. Don't even know nuances anthony. O'neill would be so proud. Rescued jessica says disgusting chicane. Assist kinzie is correct are black card expired and y two k j causes. She's out here. Rinse cycling lasagna. She wraps it and plastic. Grab in cook accept. This is why you can't eat everybody's house timeout. How you make this lasagna girl in the dishwasher. Not and ask you how you clean up. I said how you may have made it in the dishwasher wondering if we can rescue i don't know All right You know what. I think doyle life preserver. If you grab onto it she grab onto it. I like the end of the rope. Go she grab onto it. She grab onto thing. That's not right. That's not really what i'm trying to is. Now okay. Disney says yeah you on your own on that one so basically i need to start asking folks that they couldn't evan dishwasher before eating live is getting too complicated if i have to ask where you making your food. Okay crystal says nope nope nope. She is nasty. I like it. I think is ingenuity. I think it's innovative. I think is on trend is on brand. I think we should rescue. I don't think we can let her drown. Maybe we not ready to give me the jig. But we can't let her drown. You know what we're gonna do what you said. You like my idea dole jacket. She can save herself. Assure a life jacket. Can we at least do a life jacket on delegation. Be nice day within yourself. Brianna sushi eaten design. You don gonyea decide with dine. I love it here. Her home like the evans family. On good time when they thought the neighborhood doll for you bet come on and take us back to these episodes. What's shayla rescue harming. Stop pulling my wig. what you you trying to. Janet gibson is ross twin. Uh-huh yes last is what did say elyssa. She's now with it. she's definitely now with wrong. But i'm trying to be nice. This is coming from like personnel parents. Like put yourself in her position personal experience. You don't pay bills say personal experience. That's what you say. I meant to say. Okay let's yourself in her shoes for a second. I gotta cut back on my gas bills. But here's the thing if you're paying your gas bills might as well use it. That's what i don't get. Yeah okay come. on man. Limited led her flow on one of those lasagna noodles. I'll i know our right. So militates s jared on time. You're going to try. I'm not gonna try it. But i you you of course not in my house. I tell you where you won't try is you can try to at grandmother's house or one of the never. Let me do that and to fire would be in the right on that for doing that. Okay teenage at whose house no girl allie of a whole playhouse in the backyard of playoff. And you better do that. You do it in play oven or you. Little swing set back. Oh i'm getting. You need to play dishwasher set. I'm going to take them amazon boxes. And you'll have a dishwasher set when we get home would. Don't you love to see if you get me a gun. I'll work on it when get home. Okay all right now. Did you hear how m- using these amazon boxes to make toys done by your kids toys. Okay don't do that. No i is the thing if your kid wants nintendo microphone. Oh outta here. You're going to get okay so like if if if you know if your kid wants a nintendo switch and you're trying to save money right save money okay. Put it away in savings but you need to buy it. Because you're going to be upset at christmas when he felt when he or she opened the box. It me want. We don't care about that But they do they do just a little bit. Not really not really. How many businesses have you opened up gibson being get what you want it and look at you still here still surviving still strong even more resilient because of yes you did remember. I thought he was going to get a tv in your dreams. I write santa's mcnair said what if the was closed all the way in the water gets. everything's fine. ooh luli wanted the next story because he's podcast about the be thirty minutes long. Isn't it usually now. No this thing as long as monday. There was a man at a local walgreens store who was stealing. Why are we trying to rescue him. Oh no we're trying to rescue the security officer. Okay this why we know rescue and stealing okay. So the security officer Just by filming the gentleman as he stole things from the walgreens. I don't know if you all saw this video. Maybe if the security officer was trying to get evidence and take it to the ball maybe the security officers they you can really have it. I don't mean it like that. You know maybe. I don't really this walgreens. You have to see the video. If you haven't seen it. You should google a bold and brazen robbery shock. Those who were present at a local san francisco walgreens as a man road in on a lift to by carrying a large garbage bag and shocking link proceeded to take armfuls of merchandise and didn't appear to care that he was being filmed by multiple people including a store security guard. who's attempt to snatch. His bag was unsuccessful. First of all dropkick that but why though drop kick him but why though is much manda is the though i mean like but if somebody wanna break the law they business maybe the security house they trying a like like. Let's say you know how some people they disrespect or a don't represent for their nationality and they make other people look bad in. I don't want nobody to look bad. Then that's not. That's not where the money was is when the money was is. And that's how i've taught you well And this has been the woman evolved. Podcast if you would like to see part to logging on thursday we ain't none about you guys. You guys are definitely finished. Okay no stops crawling on the all right. never mind. this was a bad idea. Okay one more strike and then you're back in the conference from both of you. this time. She can't stay either k do you. Either one of you can draw. Allies interested l. She said let me bring. I'm trying clare. says yes. come in kindy she can. It says the security officers that he don't get paid enough to. That's what i'm saying. I don't get paid enough to intervene. Was someone stealing on this level. Jana coast is now. See that would be me minding my business but also being aware because you gotta be aware enough to make sure he don't come swing by your way but also not disband. Can you please scroll okay. read it. It says a key sham Michelle michelle kennedy. And you qu'ils sarah lovett. Hashtag baby fever. The only wants to read the ones about so players historic. Pt robs you go. You gotta go help s jr. She trying pto. Let me tell you already now. My husband will be like yeah. I was wondering 'cause i didn't think that was going to be a good idea. Baby i see you in there. Thank you for it. Just the way that you love me and just believe in me in the way that i hope for the jim toia says he did what he was supposed to do. He got all on camera said this when he can turn it. Turn in and the guy can be prosecuted no cia. I don't know for sure. That's what i think I don't think they actually arrested the guy though that l. said amd okay Cherie says he work in his wage. And that's exactly how i saw as well So we should rescue him out. Ptsd your heart. I love you. Thank you brennan says. Just letting them cut up on beyond in an indeed. Indeed what's happening. Google anti-chinese disciplined in background nashville. We call ei. We're not no. She's for sure auntie she needs. We're not outnumbered or anything else. It is shot okay. 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A lot of winnings never expected to be a victim of such a crime. When i tell you they got that chain right up off his neck they say let me holler at you. Real quick So i just think that he got excited and we should rescue him for for almost spending all of his money on the chain. Because sometimes you don't know how fast money goes until you spend it on. Something see i would put most of that money towards my college fund. Then donate some to cancer research foundation and then output some towards my business. Yes i knew that candy business. Her businesses mom's business. That's not true. I actually do have a business. Can grace cooks That isn't published it. But i still would have put put some money out. Clear says thirty thousand ain't no money. No more people think really grow on trees. That's why the full bought the chain showed. Did he thought that adly. I must had ten thousand dollars left. Thousand dollars like berlin. We tell you about your rent your mortgage and how i'm out of here okay. Nketia says no rescue catches and give me three. Jeez i make stress come on stretching it. Three g.'s leslie says no rescue tasha answered baby if allah pull the wig off. I'm going to be no more good. Let me tell you how ello is really probably trying to. But she will have to walk home. I had to come pick her up if she does that. Say no says no okay no. Jd says lasagna in the digital. They're talking about the line issue. I echo says less than stay. Afloat in abo- i do need a floaty and vote okay. S perry said he was cut stealing juneteenth or not no. I don't think it was doing team because let me tell you how juneteenth was bliss our not on juneteenth to run some errands and i was at cvs. And i walked past the mighty black and they would like happy juneteenth and you show right happy. June t i was keeping it in on the inside but i didn't know we was going to be half five and in the streets. You know locating main juneteenth is the day. The slaves were freed because what people was whipping them. Juneteenth juneteenth david slaves in texas found out that they had been emancipated in texas. Yes they'd been emancipated two years earlier removed in No not in egypt. That's the children of israel that was prince of egypt. You were watching and we're talking about juneteenth okay. How about that note. Manton have no bills to pay. He can just walk. Okay okay so. I love this so much criticised the way i described it. Kennedy's answer me. okay So i we're hey we're finished with rescue even also finished kinsella. Come on scoot. I can't work like this. i love you know. How much are you going to come on. Come on gone. They love you now see. I'll say goodbye. You say goodbye to you. Want to buy delegation. We miss you okay. Aloe am when money was as one of the. Oh great. that's all right so q. Sunk you children are now. Just a blessing. Children are really beautiful. Okay all right all right now. I just need a minute to figure out who i am for second. I can't believe that. I thought that that would have been an okay idea and you agree you saw. We thought the june team spirit as the wider freedom. Not everything needs to be free. I've taken down next week. Is this is the last week of freedom. Everything else needs to be restricted. Okay goose s star when the babies are gone. We need to rescue chandler please. Oh i heard about that you I don't have the photo to throw up on the screen. But yeah they wanna twerking and wives twerk twerking. Live and work wife okay. to jonathan anti chats jamaican patois. Okay a man. That was really really nice. we've read. We've tried to rescue. People were moving on to hail. Mary and hail. Mary is when we take a minute to acknowledge me and she needs for sitting up here and listening to kinsey and ella ruin our jobs. We just sit up and think about. Wow it was much like the security officer at walgreens all we could do was film in while our roles were completely hijacked and for that we just celebrate our sales and that is all we have surena says you also try to pull out the mama face on the low started pulling on here. Let me tell you something. This was really. This was really special. Brianna said they got fired on their day off. They sure did and everything would have been fine if kinsey when it came back in here erica barr sunnis are feeling box and wheel right now. I sure do i sure. Do we need a physical feelings. Box a monthly subscription tiffany. Isn't that whispering into mike l. a. Okay how right okay. Honey on ella will bring them back. No thanks no. Thanks the gag. Is they're probably coming back. And i don't really know what to do about that but to hurry up and get three years but as soon as possible okay. Hail mary hail mary. Um we've already acknowledged lessig knowledge. The us emit for allowing quarters to honor notable american women like poet and author. Maya angelou's america's first woman in space and revere cherokee nation leader are among female trailblazers who likeness whose likeness will appear on the us. Quarter the new four year. American women quarters program celebrates women's accomplishments and contributions to the united states development and history. I cannot wait to start using cash again. 'cause i want one of these quarters bad. Who going to have them. I are they going to be at the bank. I or at mcdonald's but we will have to just get mcdonald's french fries every day until we get quarters for this for the culture for history is not even about us okay is is about what we need for history jocelyn says tarkhan wives yes chow chandler. More posted a picture of his wife and they was dancing and everybody got all up in aurora about it and the saints one us to rescue rescue the wives and then it's whole we. Trucking wives thing is everything is fine. Everything's fine says y'all i'm still hollering it. Kennedy's explanation of dune teeth. I'm sorry this is and this is the sad part. Is you try to educate your children about their culture. And when they do they just deck it up they did jack up everything hash tag free kenzees. Not a thing. Don't start at tasha and not that they is. I love the fact that you brought the girls on. They just showed everyone that they're normal kids. I love it. You get mommy of the month as they are normal kids than they need. They need a feelings. Box okay So yes saluted him. Who else is going to be trying to get these quarters. Lord knows i'm going to be trying for shore to get them by any means necessary. That is pretty monumental. And i hope i'm able to get my hands on them. Stages says cash is about to be gone gone and all cars will drive themselves. Think about it. Ll yeah that's what i thought by now we would be living like the jetsons. I used to love justice. I used to love the jetsons. And i thought by now we would have definitely been zoom in zoom in around and away this. La traffic is saying that the world is open is really making me. Wish we had a little something zoom around in okay Juices leases hayes is just getting off of work what we jalousie. What you missed was kinsey and l. Taking over the podcast. And almost yankee my wig off and me not being okay. Speaking of june team. Can we take a minute. Ngos salute president and biden for doing what needed to be done by making it. A national holiday president biden just made it official that juneteenth will be declared a national holiday during a recent press conference at the white house. President biden formally signed a bill into law officially making juneteenth and national holiday. After the bill was passed by both the house and the senate earlier this week president binomial was overcome with emotion and said that officially signing the legislation into law declaring june nineteen as june is juneteenth national independence. Day is already one of the greatest honors of his presidency. And we appreciate it. The gag is can. We still celebrate the fourth of july and juneteenth or is fourth of july castle. Any reason to eat any reason to eat. I we still going to celebrate both of our love. The idea of juneteenth me a national holiday. Because i feel like a federal holiday rather because i feel like now you have to explain what juneteenth is about was means that you have to go into the fact that this country whether we like to talk about it or not is built on racism and slavery and for us to have this day that acknowledges this slavery in this country. I think is incredible. I mean for years and generations to come whenever were like. Why do we juneteenth juneteenth out because this country was built on slavery and this is part of the way in which we are acknowledging the atrocities connected with this nation and then in july fourth day celebrating independence. Day like one day because it's not like segregation. We can all celebrate everything. But i'm saying having something that forces the acknowledgement i think is dope She needs people are against it the holiday because what about teaching it in school. We didn't ask for a holiday. We went well but just because we got that we don't we don't think we're gonna get anything else. Oh like the holiday. Is hush money them. You don't be quiet though. That's i don't think that's hush money i feel like is just the beginning. I can understand the frustration that like but what about all of these other things like. If they're going to get all of the other things we gotta get them somewhere something. I don't know. I feel like it's part of the process you know. It is a step. Dana says the fourth is cancelled is bbq. just tell me is it also fireworks day. Running says yet because we didn't get fireworks on tape so we still got to celebrate. Carter says they just needed to teach in school. They just need to teach in. School is only right. I totally agree. Angie says any reason not to work katrina says yes you have to look at the history Stephanie says unless you're in texas you can't talk about it in schools. Really why casey says we can eat but we can celebrate the meaning of fourth of july Okay this tell me what the rules are either way. It sounds like my stomach is gonna be four star. lotte gilmore. Any reason to have a day off. We'll take it will take it okay and it sounds like the destiny. Jefferson says sugar. Daddy biden doing what he needed to do like always. When is this an official nickname. I don't know. I don't know where we got that from. Destiny's child my mom. If i were juneteenth and set the whole backyard on fire. Fireworks are on a time out right now destiny. Your mother is courageous. What is strong woman you come from for her to say i'm gonna light these fireworks and i have faith that that will be the only thing that live but sound like the backyard guy little crispy to the bag i wanted in on the barbecue. Okay crystal jefferson saying know. Black people will hold onto an as to how those reparations come in forty acres in a meal yeah. I wouldn't think that was finished talking over a holiday. 'cause honey the talking this kind of what we do. Best did Bertha says we should be able to teach the kids in school at hold to lee agree. Google says we miss you on our spring shimmy so we miss you now. The delegation had issues. I don't please. Can we not call our president. Moneybag joe please it. Just it's not given shenice. You can't like it. S my giving is whatever is supposed to give is just not okay is not giving. Dna says yes. It's the beginning totally grateful for okay. Okay all right moneybag bottom. What is wrong. Gonna let ellen kinsey. Come back in here and i'm gonna go home. Because what took my children to do things celebration. Since the nineties growed up in texas. There was his family that used to take us through the juneteenth parade. Like it was a thing right on. Mlk boulevard and yeah we would be sitting up eating in watching people go by and it's amazing it's Is cool all right. So yes thank you for that president. Joe sieve biden not to be confused with mony moneybag joe nor sugar. What is happening glucose guardian. Joe that's not. that's not it luka. If you're like me it's time for your somebody to come into alignment with who you know you are supposed to being. I am not talking about a diet. I'm talking about making healthy choices with your health in mind. When we try to get healthier we tend to think of the pasta. We have to hold ourselves back from. 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Out of your day start building better habits for healthier long-term insults sign up for your trial at neum dot com slash evolve that's in oem dot com slash evolve. Melles get back to the show. Another married to a father serving twenty two years But still being dedicated to raising his children. Twelve year old writes. My father is intelligent. Loving and resilient. He loves his children more than life itself. He meets every expectation of what a father should be. Rashida ashmead was twelve years old when her father was incarcerated incarcerated and light father's day she reflected on their last day together. We were laying down and he was reading me. This power puff. Girls book that i really liked. He took me to the mall and we went shopping. She described her father as her best friend. She said it was common for them to indulge in manicures and pedicures and get their hair together. Her father had long hair and rocked braves at the time but now she says her memories are are fading. I haven't seen my dad and four years. I don't remember what my dad looks like. That's why i feel guilty. I can't remember what he looks like rasheed his father. Ricardo is starving a twenty two year sentence in federal correctional facility. Impala louisiana on marijuana charges rashid in now lives in california instead. She cannot fathom how her father is. Serving such lengthy sentence when marijuana is becoming legalized Evidently though he's still trying to be as president as possible Too often incarcerated fathers are marginalized and seen as optional or or seen as optional Said ricardo an emigrant jamaica as your children get older more often than not. They will appreciate your constant efforts to be present using the using the limited resources available. It's never too late to strengthen your relationship with your children and so by for them. I love this. Ricardo maintains a relationship with rashida and her three siblings from behind bars. He communicates with them through letters and emails and ensures that they have his support. First of all he is fathering even though he is incarcerated and there are so many people who feel like too much time has gone by or because they didn't do the right things when their children were younger that they can't show up in some way and yet he is finding a way even though he is incarcerated. I think that that is really really though donna. Marie says my father is my is my angel now. He was my everything. I love it Accused as my. Oh oh my finally caught allies Mukisa omg. i can't. I can relate to much to her mother's in life and i talked to him and i talked to him for the first time in ten years on saturday. A story. that's crazy. Dear says tash and every time i get on. Mlk in any state or city out. I'll lock my doors in a scientist. Jr ain't here the beginning of the story because shah was dropping money. Modise for moneybag. Joe that must be. Somebody must be the one that must be the woman evolve handle yasha does run the woman evolve. When you see the comment says nice shy our put. Who's out there doing that. But that one is nice shot train. This is all she needs to do is look at her south. One of them will be looking at. I don't know what's happening. Tell me oh. she knows. She doesn't know what he looks a year. Right because they're sitting up here twinning So i thought that that was a great story. Especially coming ashley says one eight hundred call came crashing. And i don't like it here. This is where. I don't like it is here why what is wrong with you. All what is happening. i don't know i just. I don't understand donna. Marie says i can relate. My mom was sentenced to fifteen years. But god brought her home in three and a half hour her appeal. I love it elisa's is honestly breaks my heart. I'm tired of this same story in different ways and as a follow up to juneteenth black man out of decade long sentences for nonviolent crimes. Totally agree if you're listening and it is like on your heart to go to law school or to donate to a program that is helping to fight these cases. We should find some less find some. Yeah well not. Let's find an organization that we can go to that we can donate to so that we can figure that out Syria se your comment half who Have someone Diem me whoever that is. Dam me on instagram. and we'll figure it out So those were the last of the hail mary stories. It's not add another him mary. A black girl from dallas. Who just made it to the olympics. Okay hold on. Let me pull it up. Chakari richard saying chakari. Richardson has officially broken. A world record and made the olympics by the age of twenty one and she is giving dallas texas and so i definitely wanted to give her a shout out And we can't wait to to you on until he. Oh you know we all going to have on our stuff like we like. We just knew you since she was a little girl and that we love that you have made it here. You're aunties and the delegation are rooting for you chakari. Okay big ups to you for this I do want to say something though that i should have had in the rescue eve stories. is eh. Was that day miss rosie. Can i just say something Bree rescue e for a second delegation. I need to talk to you. Florida florida we talked about how florida has been unfairly treated during the podcast and we decided to put all of the previous rescue eve cases back on trial to see if we can come out with a different answer and then we were introduced to ronnie o neil this week and in the process of being introduced. Ronnie o.'neil florida the jury has been swayed. And i'm not. I'm just smash shore this nice sure that we have a jury who's willing to listen to the cases at the end because what. I heard a lot of times. Was they make them different in florida. An address if you're listening and you're from florida I need you. I need you all i need. You ought to speak up a little bit because something is happening. Others said that mike is fading in and out. That's the audio messing up. Well must be time ago. Must be time to go. Must be time for me to get out of here Says you breaking up. I don't know what to tell. You must time for us to go. we met. We may have done everything we can do today. Right and he said you should've played the video for pointing at the scoreboard. She is dallas finest. And we love to see it Donna marie said florida's here. Florida is present. The let me tell you. I've been sharing her every time i see her. I'm so proud of her. She's so good giving me flo-jo that's exactly what i thought when i saw her. I said you'd better give us flow joe Sure if the video is still cutting up but if it is i'll try again Donahue says you can't try to rescue florida and then break off. You know if it's not working. It's not working. Bianca said nope the mike is having it. Tasha answered the markets have been floating at at watch. Him out. marissa says masters. You can't go with that smack. The mic working testing testing is showing the green. It's picking up reading. It's reading here to reading there. Well ideas clear. We tried if we didn't make you. We didn't make it. Sounds good okay. Says his head is not represent florida. No rescue for him. genesis areas. Mostly the people who look like the other side of your hand love from tampa. What with that was Chicane why look like. He's sally yelling at his. Let me tell you something. This man need. He's i don't know catches. You don't talk about florida anymore. All right i guess. I'm relieved florida alone but What i am going to say is this. Y'all made me a promise. I i want wanna see his birth certificate because if he is from florida. I just want you to know the jury has been swayed okay and they are no longer able to try the case and we are going to need someone else. All right Somebody acts there in the ninety s. Today there are as today. But i had a feeling that today was going to be rough so we prerecorded them. So that i didn't have to drag you off through transitions and me and kinsey. But now the kids are. You could have done them. That's so everything's fine Erica says on the seriousness. This was that wasn't him talk to his at. Nc the full thing if all that's always at opening argument and an florida the saul. I saw Tiny said the might. The mike seems to work. When you're not speaking of florida but as soon as you say florida. It cuts out golfing. All right let me leave florida alone. Because i'm not trying to have that all right. Listen so let me get to these advice questions because we moved on down the road. Okay advice question number one says. Hey sisters air your passes to me though. Ll well like the advice question on the less. Podcast i listen to. I also failed and my first year in university and it is made me spend all my years in university trying to prove. This isn't mean. I'm in my final year but still carry the wounds of the failure and you know coming from a place of having always been a success all through kindergarten and secondary school failing my first year in uni really broke me now. My question is this. I often run away from responsibility. I mean me being appointed to lead a thing or do anything that makes me be at the forefront often scares me it makes me feel seen like what if i fail. How would people perceive me knowing that. I'm not so good in my academics. It feels like i want to do so well to prove to myself and others really that i've always been an excellent student. I mean basically. See everything i do through the lens of my academics often just shrink or shy away from everything. Even if it's something i can do this. Fear this hurt just has always set in. And i don't want to be involved. I also since calling me to be a preacher and it's so scares me. I feel like. I've been running all my life. I really don't want to run anymore. But at the same time i don't feel qualified. Everything really has messed up has messed up by with my thinking and how i should show up in the world. I can't even let a compliment properly. Sink in without doubting. If i'm worth him. I know really that i need to heal but i honestly do not know how it feels like i falling and rising in the process. It gets me exhausted. Mentally the my body starts to feel tired to like. I might not get up from my bed or the house a whole day or two. You would be so much appreciated. Thank you so my friend as sounds like you have fallen into the trap that so many of us fall into in that is gauging our worth based off our performance so if we cannot perform well we don't do it because we don't want to be seen as unworthy or not valuable having said that the process of renewing our mind really requires that we separate our performance from our identity recognizing that who i am not what i do just who i am i being without having to graduate early without having to get a certain job or a certain degree who i am if i do nothing at all is already loved already seeing already worthy into be rooted in that means we have to be uprooted part of the reason why i think we have to focus on what we are up. Rooting from is because we'll recognize that many of the pressures that we have in our life weren't even something that we place there ourselves. Sometimes they were projected onto as something happens in our life and maybe the only time we bought a plot it was when we were performing or someone else a parent or guardian. Said to us that you have to do this and you have to do this. Well and now we're living for their approval. Whatever reason it is that landed you there. You have to be willing to come to place where you say to yourself. I do not allow all my gosh just goes back to the To go play for this week what will not receive what. God has not confirmed a lot of times. We spend our life trying to make it fit in the projections that other people have placed on us the expectations that other people have placed on us. But it's not until we take those expectations and turn it over to god and say but is this what you want from me. And my only smart if i take this path in school and my only worry the if i received this acknowledgement or achievement and to be able to say that i am worthy grind. Even on lie to you it takes a lot of work to come to a place where you receive your worth but it really does come down to just being and not doing so having said that the other thing that i will say to you is that you are going to get stuck if you only do what you do. Well you will eventually end up stuck because we only grow by signing up for the things that challenge us and you cannot be challenged and do well at the same time you're going to have to be willing to suck it something if you're gonna become great at something. I don't know anything about this. But i'm going to sign up to do it anyway because i believe that i can learn the expansion of who you are and not just what you have but literally who you are your ability your gifts and your talents only come when you are willing to step outside of what you have mastered and be willing to become a novice and so i will say to you and aprista message call something to prove on youtube and maybe worth checking out that at the end of the day the only thing that should be driving you is what god wants to do through you and it takes humility to say that god if you wanna do it through me and i don't always do it well and i don't always do it to the level that i've seen other people do it. The only thing that matters to me is that you lead my life and that i become obedient to what you're doing in my world so i think that was a gift for you because at the end of the day. I think you've got to become comfortable with the idea of. I'm not always going to do everything. Well and i'm not going to allow that to change my identity. There comes as point where you realize that failure is a gift. Because it's teaching me how to navigate the twists and turns of life without elevating or diminishing my price because a lot of times when life takes his certain twists and we come out looking better. We think oh okay. My value has increased. Or maybe it takes a turn and we're divorced at tanks attorney and we've dropped out of school and we think now. I have to move my price down at the end of the day your price your value. Your worth does not change based off of what you have gone through and that takes faith to hang onto it. Faith to believe it and faith to allow it to set the precedent for your life but once you receive that then. You're no longer afraid of the possibilities. Of what could or could not happen because you realize at the end of the day. This is just me on an exploration not on any evaluation of my worth and my identity. So how about that series says this is giving me chills needed to hear this while you're the truth s j. I love this training. Says we need to step out of our comfort zone. Agreed series says man's feedback without guys samba of approval she didn't have the authority to define the totality of. Who you are woman evolved. That was from the to go play today. I'm telling you all you gotta sign up for our to go. Play woman evolved dot com slash connect. And get your weekly devotional to get your mind right okay. beth says. Wow this is really speaking to me. I love it not he says. If you wait till you already you will never be ready to start in. Catalina says montana. Oh she's talking to someone else in common to you guys. If you've never caught a live you gotta catch alive because they ended up talking to one another and connecting so check that out she says when we allow the fear of rejection and or failure outshine our desire to birth something. We settling for normalcy. I love this okay All right so the next question says hey chad i'm struggling. It's enshrining that. I've been working through it with the help of your podcast and sermons to make his short and sweet. I'm struggling to be more specific with anger and rage. Recently reconnected with childhood friend. Who was now my boyfriend. Things are well great impact. He loves anymore. More than i love myself. Honestly he is brought to my attention constantly. When we have disagreements that he is not against me nor does he mean any harm more. Most importantly he loves me. We have reflective talks after things settled down during this talk i realized not only have i not healed from my childhood and my father passing back in two thousand and thirteen but me and my siblings as well as my mother haven't either. I know my first step is therapy. But how do i create a game plan to get my siblings and mother onboard with family therapy to start addressing some of these issues so it can end with us. Thank you for all the to have and will continue to. I am forever. Grateful chad chad. Listen i love that. You're going to therapy and taking the first step to get to what is bothering you I have always heard that anger is really a costume. That fear in hurt puts on in order to hide. What's actually happening on the inside of you and so angry might just be what you can tap into but there could be some hurt in some fear up underneath that and i believe that there is going to be an incredible tool to help you get to the bottom of that as far as getting your siblings and your mother onboard the first thing that i can say to us right now. You've got to focus on you right now. Getting used say getting you delivered getting you. Healed is going to require all of the energy and boehner ability that you have and if you feel like i need to get my siblings and my mom on board then you may end up needing them to move at the same pace that moving gap. I think the best thing that you can do for them if you want to let them know that you've noticed some unaddressed trauma in your life. Some unaddressed grief. And you're making a decision to go to therapy. And then whether or not they say. Oh i'm going to do with. Two is on them but as began to see you heal as they begin to see you move forward and to come to a more present way of living. That isn't based on pain. In hurt and anger it can inspire them but if it doesn't inspire them you can't allow that to mean that your healing was somehow a failure or somehow you didn't do well because you didn't bring everyone with you at the end of the day. This journey has to be personal. So make it personal. Make it about where you are. Make it about who you're becoming make it about what you're reaching for and try with all of your might to not make this about them instead. Allow your life to set another lane. Another way it'd being another way of existing for anyone who's watching at the end of the day when we're in family and the culture of our family is different than what we believe. God is calling us to do that. Doesn't mean that we have to change the entire culture while changing ourselves at the same time on that means is that i just need to show a different way of living. Maybe we've only lived a certain way within our family. Maybe we've only had a certain way we deal with love. Certainly we deal with money a certain way we deal with education or community or or communication or whatever. All we need you to do when god talks about breaking a generational curse. It doesn't mean that everyone has to be delivered at the same time that you are delivered. What it means. Is that the curse. The cycle of that circle is broken with you. And i believe that even as some of you are listening. This wasn't even your question. This was something else that is burning in your spirit. The god is trying to show you that the cycle broke when it came to you and even though it didn't break when it came to them it doesn't mean that it's going to continue to repeat that you represent literally another way of being and I love this plays like am i had. I'm i'm somewhat of a visual person if you can just imagine circle but in that circle. There's this get the circle would be circle but there's this piece missing and you're that piece that's missing. You broke that generational curse. You broke that cycle now. That means that that person. That's common around that circle when they get to that gap they either get to make a turn and go in the direction you went to or they'll have to leave in order to keep the generational cars going but either way you've created a pause you put a stop sign and something that would have just been a green light over and over again. Now there's a stop sign there and people have a choice and sometimes was so powerful. Just giving our families giving our communities another option in another choice and so if this is your word i want you to just receive it To represent another choice in another way of being. I love it. Catchy says what is the woman. Bob email again. The woman evolve. Email is podcast at woman. Evolve dot com podcasts. At bob dot com margaret says loved. You cannot do good and be challenged at the same time. Cardi says i really want my family onboard with therapy tip but they are having. It actually makes my sister upset that i'm healing and she's not well. All you can do is show or another path right. Tanya says therapy is that i you can always pass the info onto others. Everyone is never on the same page as they see the changes in you. They may come around to the option. If they're p also cardi says while speak directly to me. I love that. Julie's says my mom is not even speaking to me and i live with her but she can't even stop the healing going on over here. I just keep praying for my example. Praying example helped her to get her as one day. And i just want you guys to now For those of you who have been charged with the task of charting a new territory in your family that i recognized the loneliness an isolation. Connect it with that even for myself. I believe that there are things that i'm called to do. Within the context of my family that may feel different from what my family is done and there are moments where that can sometimes feel isolating and lonely and yet what keeps me somewhat comforted is reaching into environments like this why. I'm not the only one who's being charged with the doing something different. It doesn't mean that you'd never experienced that loneliness again or the second guessing or that doubting but what it does mean is that there is power and knowing that you aren't alone so i hope that's helpful for you all going to be praying for you. China says while you just gave me confirmation. I love that. No us this cashier. Asking for the wami bob email again Elise breaking those generational curses the main goal for my family. I received that word. This episode of woman evolve is sponsored by ole body ole body just launched a collection of skin-care inspired body washes that include premium. Skin care ingredients and are designed to treat a variety of skin conditions and types ole soothing body wash with vitamin b. Three complex and oat extract is specifically made to soothe xm prone skin only as it spoliating and moisturizing body. Wash with sugar cocoa butter and vitamin b. Three transform skin from dry and dole to radiant and smooth. You need to give these all body washes try. They completely changed the way. I think about my body care routine shower. It's going to this file without even leaving the house. You can find all body care products in store or online only body fearless in my skin. Okay all right listen. So we are at the snack. Who when. I don't have ads. 'cause i don't have to worry about what i mean. I have them right. But i'm just doing them and post. I'm able to just move this thing right on down the road. am i. let the girls pray if they come in here and act right shinnied. Shouldn't our lips did a whole a meal But i'm gonna get this snack. I snack today is based off of our worded the month which is freedom this week. We're focusing on freely. listening free. Listening is something that i have big struggled with and i know in a world where we often talk about not having to take other people's opinions and advice and having people to leave it to their own i wanna give you permission for just a moment to freely listen to listen those who are ordained those who are anointed to be able to speak into your life. If you close everyone often you may miss a blind spot that you should pay attention to in your world but there is something to be said about being willing to freely listen so that you have another perspective about how you show show up in the world about how you give up on yourself about how you talk about others and once again it's gotta be set in love is got to be said from someone who's anointed to be in your life. Maybe you don't have that in your life now. Insists this is not your word. But if there is a friend a partner a spouse someone in your world who has been trying to hint at something that you could Do some digging into our one and challenge you to freely. Listen to them. That's all we talked about an to go plane beyond that to go play though i want to also encourage you to freely. Listen to yourself okay. there's something powerful about being honest about where you are in any given moment and a lot of times. We are so busy penalizing ourselves for where we are not that we don't take the time to listen to where we are. And how else can we receive healing unless we are honest about where we are and so i want you to make me promise okay. This week i want you to spend at least five minutes five in the morning. Five minutes at night listening to. What's in your soul. How're you doing. If you've read any bob than you know that this is how i define soul care. How are you doing and giving your heart and your mind and your soul time to respond. Are you scared are you nervous. Are you happy. saturday morning. I was out. I was running errands. I came home. I was in the kitchen and i was like man. I'm happy and i needed to really listen to that. Because i could feel something in my spirit and my soul but i identify when identify that. It was happiness i was like. Let me lean into this happiness. Cause i've had a rough last few weeks. And i wanted to lean into that moment. Sunday and monday was a little weird and a little strange but our so glad that i allowed myself to lean into the happiness on saturday that on sunday when things shifted a little bit hours able to still take a little piece from that happiness overflowed that had on saturday and then having spent some time cuddled up in in sunday got a lot better but Lean into your soul freely. Listen to what your heart is saying and allow yourself to experience truth from yourself. okay Okay let's see what you guys think about that money. Besides i think there is about to read me. She said really listening Yeah i hope that helps somebody Cachet says i'm trying to be out. What the you guys be talking to you so Let's see jefferson Listen to what's in your soul. Yes leaning in murray's is a man that's good patricia is being honest and surrendering to the lord. That is the most important part delicious. Now that's self cares is that is big self care. Cherie still saying free. Kinsey as we said i'll make promises that easily. They get you in trouble. But i'm gonna do it for us this. Ira if you promise. I love it. And that's all that i need. Ella mckenzie are back back like they never left from. Because he's gonna do you want to say anything before we leave and saying you want to say a by. Did you like it when i kicked you out or no Guess you did you like to all of that. E why did you like to so much on. T. one y'all you like. When she left she not in here to he he Say that's all right the way you say it at home. Sorry sorry right. Wendy say this all right when it's not all right you say on the time when you drop it becomes what do you say that. Sorry down the stairs what do you say. That's so right when i hit you in the face. What do you say. Wait a minute. Why would you hit my daughter based on like this at all. I've never done that okay. wendy almost broke my toast. She almost broke you too okay. So what happened was We have this thing. Where i say you'll move Ellas i almost went youth. And i is. You almost broke my face because we both went down at the same microphone and She was smiling and laughing in a she went down as in like like that and then i just went down to pick up something and she her tooth hit right here and i was like you almost broke my face and like you almost within twice all right here. We go kim. He's gonna pray. Are you going dear god. Thank you for this. Episode of woman evolved. That has helped many of us learn about soul and self care and thank you for helping us understand reason in rescuing but even the most on rescue -able Thank you so much for giving us when we make mistakes. Thank you for rescuing us for giving us. Yeah when we're drowning and it is a new son jesus's name that we pray amen. Now y'all have that soul care okay. That's all right. Oh goodness back at all right. I love you guys oh just. Psa clicking so pizano what you're doing psa next week is it next week shot. Yeah next week is the last week of the podcast. I'm going on hiatus for just a few weeks. But i'll be back so nice score if you haven't now going on higher. Hey there's going black okay so if you have not been listening you might wanna make sure nothing's you might wanna make sure you catch alive next week because we're going to be on a little hiatus. Okay all right. Why would you guys. Like if i if i took over the podcast and ella. That'd be fun. Nothing because we wanna drive you up here. You don't have to walk group. He's all right. Good night our love. Y'all now great by y'all we got by car latte you can click it out. I don't have no need to keep it going

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Best Experiences: 2020 In Review

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Best Experiences: 2020 In Review

"Hello travelers and welcome to the extra of peanuts. Travel podcast episode. Four sixty two with over seventy seven thousand miles of roads. North carolina has the nation's largest state maintained highway system. Would you have ever guessed north carolina. Have that not at all. It's because they don't have any county roads. they're all maintained by the pulling and we forgot this old cities name. Siham breath on window pane. Lets us tom phillips. Try on food only way. what's up. everyone. I'm trav- i'm heather. I've got my fifth favorite beverage or drink. Twenty twenty with water because my throat. It's a little. It's a little horse today. I wonder why i know why. Oh because i went out running yesterday when it was cold. And you know when you're out of shape and you run and it's cold and like it's hard to breathe. Yes yeah well. I guess it lasted until today. I got ya you're hitting the ground running in twenty twenty one nicely done yes. I was running. Because it was the last i asked myself. What's the last thing. I would wanna do on his birthday and it was go out for a run in the rain and so since it was my birthday yesterday. I thought yeah. I'm just going to go and do that. Knew travis in for it i guess new travis in for it so guys. We are wrapping up a little bit of a tear here a little bit of a. I don't have the little drop here but a little bit of a crying. Those sadness year in review that we are wrapping up our year in review series. This is part sixty. Been listening all the way through. Then you have heard part one travel stats part to travel superlatives. Part three best drinks as we mentioned part for best desserts part five best meals and now we're talking best experiences and this is always a superfund one for us to do like always. We don't know each other lists. But how do you approach this. When i say best experiences what is what is your thought process. Well in years past. I felt it was a bit easier. Because i would just kind of think back on the trips that we took because usually those were our best experiences so i have to admit that for twenty twenty. I was feeling a little hesitant about recording this podcast. Because i was thinking well what did we even do in twenty twenty. You know we were in a pandemic for most of the year. I don't think i'm going to be able to get very many best. Experiences are best memories you know. But then i opened up my phone and i take a lot of pictures. She's the one that it says like your icloud storage is now. I have like terabyte. We just buying more. She's a digital. Horder i am i have i think. Sixty thousand photos in the cloud so for me. It was quite easy. Actually because i just went through my photo real on my phone and anything that was a good experience or a memorable thing. I captured on on my own so i went through. I had so many good experiences in twenty twenty despite the of year that it was for everybody in the world. So thanks to the podcast. For that. Because i feel like if we didn't have a podcast i might have just completely written off twenty twenty and not really gone over it and reviewed all of those things. I guess that's a good thing for you guys listening if you are. If you're whether you're alive live high or you're listening to podcasts. Take some time even if your podcast and you're now a month into twenty twenty one takes some time to reflect on what twenty twenty brought and the positive experiences out of it. I was gonna say you. You said oh. I thought this is pretty hard but right before we got on i ask you. How many do you have you know. Try to sink it up so we have the same amount and you said fourteen. And i just started laughing. I said you'd better make some honorable mention like that's more than one a month. So the way i attacked this and usually taxes best experiences is not that each one is day some of them might be less than a day or a moment and some of them might be a little longer than a day. But i just try to think of. I start with that as my base of okay. What was my best day or what day was really awesome and go from there. So i have ten on my list of you honorable mention. Mentions you paired yours down that i might have combined you know some but yes i have ten with few honorable mentions so i i mean the first thing we have to do before we get to the list of course is it wouldn't be a complete list. Is the honorable mention. So why don't you start us off. How many do you have three. Okay so you have. Three three honorable mentions give us your honorable. Mentions actually real quick before. I just wanted to make a note forever in the thing because you said you thought it was difficult at first to get these. I didn't think it was difficult. At first to start making millis. What i found the most difficult was ranking them. Because kyle year and i you know. I'm a stickler for rankling ranking hat. Like rankling. I'm a stickler for rankling guys. I don't want someone just here. My top ten in no particular. I know you need to rank them. And i did yes as that. I found this harder than previous years because it was so different than what we're expecting. We're going to do as you mentioned because they want like the standout. Gosh we took this crazy exotic trip Eat it stuff like maybe more on a level playing field. And i would also then the other thing that to me made it difficult. Was that honestly. I was just happy that we were happy and healthy this whole year. So i think for me. It was like everything was good like all this stuff that we're going to talk about today to me was a bonus because i know a lot of people had it harder and i feel like maybe it. Maybe i'm just growing as a person that i didn't feel that antsy and i didn't have a ton of fomo and a lot of that probably comes with the fact that you'll one or very few people were out doing amazing things short so i ultimately i was like all these are just great like they just kind of sat on the same level so i did rank them but i from the ranking of them. But you always do. I mean you agonize over your list all the time. So i'm not surprised the you've found the ranking are kind of your mo that's why actually. That's why we started early guys on instagram live. That's why we started fifteen. Or because i i would've sat there and kept ranking like. Let's just go. let's just go. He also thought we would probably like this. Might be a long one. So we'll see we'll see so let's go. Let's just mentioned so. My first honorable mention is the plants. All the plants that i bought in two thousand twenty and this quarantine because i know a lot of people as soon as quarantine. Hey you know everybody was trying to make their homes cozier and better and you know updating all that stuff. We're fortunate that we had worked from home before corentin right and shaking your head. But aren't you grateful that we already had a home set up for working at home. Obviously we traveled a lot but when we were home we were home. Like we didn't really go anywhere when we were home. We worked from their kids. Are there were there all day so our home was very comfortable. And before quarantine started in and in february i had some really fun plant shopping experience with my sister julie. I went to terrain which is a part of anthropology. And we have to hear outside philadelphia. And you know. I didn't go too crazy but i think i bought like four or five plants which at terrains like a million dollars but It wasn't it. Wasn't that bad as i look around as you're talking about plants i look around. I see one two three four five not for the audio and even you guys live yancey this. Could you only see us. There are five minutes including one. That is no joke necker. My face is right here and this isn't even the place that we live this simply my bar and from my sister like an upstairs bedroom my parents house that never gets used and they're still five plants up here because the plants okay brought me a lot of happiness and a lot of joy and you know when you can't get outside much when we were in lockdown in the states it was hard to even go out for walk sometimes if there were a lot of people out walking so we were inside our home. A lot in the plants not only at gave us good air quality for breathing which is something that's true. They're beautiful. They gave me a task like would water them. Just kind of felt like a nice routine of brought me happiness. So the non covy era media plans to have made the best experiences but it brought me a lot of joy. Peace and purpose. Okay so i guess plan. Is your water. When i said water is my fifth drink and you busy wondering what. We're still talking about plants. This an honorable mention. We're still talking about plants on our best experiences. Moving on moving there are other people. There are other people out there who loved the plan to more momentum. I can tell you thought through this list of a lot. Say which is awesome moving on other audible. Matchup shake my plan. This is the first time you've like shut me down shutting down and saying a word shows when they cue the music. You're done talking. Let's go okay. My other two honorable mentions i will try to be much more succinct about them from the guy who's never succinct over here anyway. The all visitors that we had at the beach house. I mean if i thought back over every single visit it could have been so many. We said it was twenty five. I forget what we said on a status thing twenty five or thirty to visit every four months every visitor was really special and memorable to me so without getting into all of it. That was that was just a lot of times a year that you know agreed and the next. Gosh who molasses honorable mention. Is the family hayride that we did For my in wits birthday. Because i love fall like the rest of the world and we were living at the beach house. See you don't really get a fall down there. We came back to philadelphia. Got to see some foliage. Got to have that crisp weather and do a fun private family. Hey right so and that was yeah. That was really neat. I is that one that you only thought of looking back at pictures. I didn't think about that at all. Oh now now some of these other ones where they supplants the plants were pictures and you saw thousand plants and you thought okay all right. I've got two honorable. Mentions out one kind of piggybacking on what you said. You're second honorable mention. Just the people that we had at our house without naming everyone just having like little deck air quote parties because we never had a party. It was always a small group of friends. But we've done it with you. Know people came down. Kristen mel for thanksgiving. My buddy cubes in his family came down as well. We had our friends our new friends that we've met down in carolina beach. You know a couple or two. They'd come over so we sitting out on the deck having a quote unquote party. Even though they're very small and socially distanced that was just a good memory for all the people who came through there and the other one was the first seafood. Boil that we did. I almost put that on my list when we were down in carolina beach scoping out the property that we ended up buying. You know it was. It was neat because i looked for places to eat. I didn't know anything about this area that we're moving to and i saw this seafood boil company. I thought we gotta do this. My dad's gonna be down there. He's gonna love it and so doing that. I one when we did that night. We actually had no idea if are gonna get accepted if we're ever going to to live in that area or anything like that. There's a bunch of uncertainty. But i remember sitting here thinking. See if we get this house. This is the tradition. We are going to start when we have people over. Who have never been here. We're doing a seafood. Boil with them and it's cool. That then came to fruition s. So yeah that's all right cool now. We're north tower. The real lists are real list. Top twenty ten each of them may overlap. I don't know her list. She doesn't know my list. who knows. it's a weird year. maybe we won't have anything that overlap. Yeah it could number ten okay. My number ten is something else that has to do with this podcast which is recording. The quarantine diaries. That was really fun. Yeah it was fun you know. In a time of uncertainty when all travel stops i know that our listeners and people who follow us on social media group for those quarantine diaries because it gave them something to escape to what it also did the same for us we got to relive those trips in those memories and it gave us something fun to do together when you know you're spending all of your time together and it can become a bit monotonous so it really gave us a fun. Purposeful task do together. You know it was always a good thing. It was like it wasn't halfway in the year but it was essentially the same feeling we get when we do urine review. Podcast which is why we like it why we decided to do it. Live and back to back to back to back. This year was because it is fun. It's fun to have a mission art. We're doing six or seven in a row And you and this time are doing it. You know daily that quarantine dyers were the same thing. It was just cool to be able to sit down and do those and have a bit of reprieve. I mean maybe that should be built in not that they hopefully. They're not quarantine. diaries For the years in the future but some sort of midyear check into where we do not a year in review a similar thing where we kind of take a theme and run with it maybe accelerated and due to quicker hitting ones. Yeah before anything. Diaries let us know. I totally didn't think about that but i really enjoyed doing that as well. By number ten is the fourth of july party and again we use party every party that i'm going to say just put air quotes around if i forget to but that is with our friends kevin craig from why travel blog and surprise as well mike an an from honey tracks or if you guys have fought our podcast or site you know. They're they're both good friends of ours. Cazin craig even though we've been friends a with there's virtually for a long time. We had never met in person and so we were planning on. We were leaving the beach area that we were in on july third on july fourth day of july fourth. And what we we just happen to see that mike. An amer- coming to casting craig's house and they live in raleigh north carolina. And we're like. Oh you guys are having a little for the get together like yeah come up. Spur of the moment. We went up and we got to visit them. First time we've ever met them got to see mike and again. We've seen a few times that they had just come back from like some crazy being stuck in poland in their camper because they couldn't get out of the country so they had a bunch of stories and it's just a nice. I think the theme for me is going to be a nice regular night. Where kind of forgot that. Kobe was happening yes. We weren't sitting near each other. Yes we were socially distance but we could just for a moment. Just hang out with people and have a few drinks and eat some good food and yeah it was like a it was like a regular little. It was the first time we hung out with people that weren't really inner circle Since the corn the pandemic started so i remember at first feeling a little bit odd that we were at somebody else's house and you know that we socializing obviously as the night where i'm of course we were careful enough. It's not like we were sipping each other's drinks but it was really. It was nice and i almost put that on my my list as well but then i had to narrow things down so i just put exactly why like the hard to rank comes in because that was just an unexpected moment in time amongst bunch of unexpected things this year and it was just really nice yet to and again to meet chasm craig for the first time we felt like we knew them really well. We didn't know them really well. We just had never met in person so it took cove it and us going to look at a house in north carolina to finally meet people who talked to when we've been all over the world and they've been all over the world cup your number nine number nine now. I'm totally just gonna like mom out over here. Oh boy the plants no no. We don't have any. I was gonna say you're gonna talk about. And what's next know i'm gonna talk about our actual children and i want to cut you off this but last year was the first full year that we had two kids you know because had he was born in august of twenty nineteen and you know when she was a baby hard for you to remember the year. 'cause it is for me like when i write down their years you know if you're booking plane tickets or anything. Yeah i'm always like twenty seventeen. This doesn't sound right. It doesn't sound like you should be reined. Someone's birthday in the late twenty teen tonight. No it doesn't. It's not that hard for me. I think maybe because i do. A lot of the doctor visits but Anyway so my. I was going with something here with the kids and let me from the interrupting back to. That's what i was trying to say. Is that when he was first baby. You know mostly just try to ignore her. I think there was a big transition from being an only child to having sibling but since a highly is now like a little child. She's like toddlers an infant anymore. They have become best buddies. And i mean he still has his best. Buddy noah who's his cousin in his age by his his that his crew him in noah and there's other friend henry crew. And if you try to put anyone else in his crew he says no no no. That's your crew daddy. Mommy daddy pop. That's your crew. No only know in henry and sometimes so he obviously has spent the most time with hadley because especially in a pandemic. We didn't see a whole lot of other people and it just been superfund even in the last four months really since hadley has turned one that she's felt a little personality made interact and play together. And you know it's really it's fun and it's really cute and we both have siblings and so it's kind of what i was hoping for knowing that we would be giving a sibling and hattie has a brother and just really sweet so yeah all right interaction between the kids. That wasn't too bad right now. That wasn't too bad. My number eight is we touched on this. During our best drinks episode and i had completely forgotten about this during restaurants episodes. I'm glad you brought it up because for me like pre cove. It doesn't seem like this year. So i'm always forgetting that stuff. But this was our cocktail crawl through philadelphia with our buddy who came in town scott brill's and he came in for a few days stayed with us. This was in february beginning beginning. The middle of february and the reason is because we got to see scott. That was great. If you want to know more about scott. I have a podcast with him. Called the most interesting man in the world. He's done a lot of cool stuff but he came in. And this is the best way that i enjoy showing off our city of philadelphia and so we went down to his only one day actually had asked him like. Do we stay over. And we didn't so we got down there early when two an amazing restaurant called. Sarah probably our second favorite restaurant in the city we went got a few cocktails. Went to blooberg stakes. I oh yeah that's right. We went and got cheese steak sauce and then we went and got to jazz ticks. Then we went to a place called seraya for like just you know then injury. Yeah then we walked around that part of town we went to we drove to another part town walked around got a cocktail. So i love showing someone in exploring the city walking and rambling through but then having like a set place to go okay. Well we're going to this cocktail this restaurant so i got to show him all the parts of the city while we were doing the co like why we're doing this cocktail tour and and so we went and we did that. We also got dinner at so we went to a bunch of cocktail places that we had never actually gone to before and that was just a really. That's how i like to show off our sitting so that was a really really fun time and we got a few places including like the place called the old bar that we had never been to wall going to some of our favorites. Like sahaf like seraya In places like that so just really cool time. And had i known had we known that that would have been maybe our last real hurrah hurrah like through a city just bumping around normal is something that we took for granted you know. I'm not gonna say we would've tied it on even more because we did a lot that day but it was a nice way to get that in before kobe. Because certainly weren't able to do that kind of thing. Walk opened was happening. Yes yeah that was a really fun day. Yeah so all right onto your number. eight number. Eight is a trip but a very small trip. Nothing exotic but the one and only for really took in twenty twenty. Was the road trip down to the beach. House to north carolina for the first time actually scope out the area to go look at the house. And it's funny because we actually drove down there on our ten year anniversary and when people ask us you know not a lot of people have asked us but one person she was like. Oh you know. How long have you guys married. I said ten years. Would you do for your anniversary. And i said so. We didn't really do anything. And then i thought we'll be drove to north carolina and then we bought a beach house so i guess like for ten year anniversary. We added a beach house. So is the ten year anniversary. I don't know aluminum or something. That trip was obviously. I mean using because we were at the beach for two weeks. You know as a little bit odd because we didn't really or do any of the things we normally do on a trip but we got to spend a lot of fun time with our kids and travis. Family came in my sister. Julie came so it was really fun and obviously it was really exciting to go and look at the house for the first time. And then you know come up with our offer and then the negotiation and negotiate the negotiation His fun in hindsight because we got the house but it was. It was transferred told. Hey you're offers nowhere close to the best offer We thought now we don't have this house. Yeah but any little bit charm later a few bottles of wine to the owner of the house. True story dropped off wine to her in person and showed her her. Our kids Us the house. So yeah you know you do what you gotta do. Y- that trip down to north carolina. was definitely a highlight for me in two thousand twenty totally all right. My number eight and this is an experience that i know. We don't share 'cause you allowed me to go By myself which which was awesome and is something that i didn't like again. Had we known that had we known that this would have been a last hurrah or have we known that this was going to be one of the two trips i took. You probably would have come with last minute. Our friends karen nate. If you guys know. Karen nate their travel bloggers. We've been friends with them for a long time. Well before they even were traveling on podcast a few times. Great great great. Great people and i hadn't you know. I don't follow vloggers or youtube or anything so i didn't know they were doing one hundred hundred country party to celebrate them going to their hundreds country but i saw it. I shot a message. They're like yeah. We'll get you ticket this and that and so very last minute. I decided to fly down to nashville to spend time with them. And i got to stay in in the firehouse which are superlatives one. But i stayed in court abandoned firehouse. My other friend. Tim owns so i went to this party. It was cool and what was really neat about. The party was getting carrying and how successful they are an all people love them and they're inspiring all these people to travel and that was really cool but it was this idea that and this is why we started podcast that you can bring people together. Who don't know each other. But if they share a common bond amazing experience is going to happen. So i was only there for three days but i met some really cool people. I had some really cool experiences. Four people we never met before and we went out and we are getting booed trying to find bush-whackers in downtown nashville and going all these different bars and honky tonks. And then the next day we went out and got donuts and then some other people joined the crew and so you bring whatever it was seven hundred people together and you saw all these people form groups and meet new friends very quickly and i think it just shows you the power of when you have a common bond the you know on the surface. It's travel by really is like deeper level. Just wanting human action enjoying connecting with people enjoying spending time and money on experiences versus may be possessions. Like all that stuff that travel means to people get together. It's it's pretty pretty neat. And so i had an awesome time and it was really good and that's why this is hard again to rank. Because i didn't know that this would be one of the two trips. I took but just an overall awesome experience getting to spend time and although i went in january thinking. Oh it's going to be a bit warmer allies philadelphia and it was actually snowing. It snowed in national that entire year. I was there. So i didn't out on the weather but had a really really amazing time. That sounds like a superfan trip. My your number seven. The first two times we went to the beach in jersey in two thousand twenty were such a highlight because of course we were in lockdown and things had just started opening up not even like restaurants or anything. But you're able to leave your house in the beaches you're allowed to walk on so we just took the first nice day which i actually know was may sixteenth And we packed up the kids. It was just the four of us and we drove to new jersey's about an hour and a half drive and it just really amazing to be. Oh percent i didn't even extend the spend the night no. We just went down for the day right win for the day. It felt like a normal thing to do which yeah in the year. I remember endemic. Being like yeah. Nothing is normal. Nothing really that fun. Because you're just so lacking in activities. It was one of the times we've gotten by out of the how we won't say because we're gonna how some walks. Yeah harken all but out of our area and gone on a little bit of a trip. It's an hour and a half drive to the beach. But i remember taking a picture and putting up on instagram. and it was. It was said sun surf and social distancing. It was us in our little pod and no one else on the beach because it was nice groups but it was not that radha crowded. Yeah i mean it was hardly anybody. I mean. we're still may sixteen. It was still a bit cold but for us it felt like total freedom. Yes and so. Also the second time we went. I had to put these two together. You know because. Emma had to pare down my list but stuff combined win. Should the beach. We went with a bigger crew. Still kind of our circle. We are two sisters my sister. Julienne your sister gail came with us and then our other friend group jesse katie and their two kids came as the first time we'd seen them other than like a drive by when they were coming by our zoo. Yeah they finished the patio april and may so yeah they joined us and we all spent the night at the beach for one night and that was just really fun. Because it's the first time we got to kind of hang out with people. I remember we were like are we. Are we going to hug. Are we going to let the kids play together. It was so funky but it was a really beautiful day and we had a nice Night and then even like stayed most of the second day so it was like a nice little trip completely. I completely agree. Shout dylan are being you. Watch live says love it. Love the sound effects thank you. We're finally getting the hang of it. I did miss the jing earlier for for heather's joke so hopefully. She has another one there that i'll make sure i guess we i love the sound effects to. It's taken us a little while to perfect this and to get it all set up lots of hours of figuring out but finally it's there my number. I'm god gives a give dylan and everyone else loves sound effects drummer for mine to my number seven is going is playing tennis with my buddy lou and this is where i get into a lot of the portion of like very normal light and things that made me feel normal during a year. That was not normal and celebrate the little winds. And this again. I i know i'm harping on this. But this is why. It's hard to rank them because this is like playing tennis with louvers going to a party in national seven hundred people. Well how do you compare i. I had to because. I'm a stickler for rain. I'ma wrangler right but so the point is i didn't play. Oh i hadn't played tennis for a long time. i'm gonna get into. Why start playing tennis again. But when i came home from that trip. I wanted to play more tennis than my buddy lou who i used to teach with and i don't work there anymore. So you know we see each other and we usually play basketball every week but during covert that was not happening and i remember him talking about one and get back into playing tennis and she said jakko play and so he got a racket. I got iraq. We started playing and it was really nice because especially during the summer i would get up every other day basically and we would play a at first start at nine and then it was like eight thirty then it was eight then i was getting up and i'm not really a normally a morning person. We're getting about seven thirty. Am the place where i could get up play tennis and be home not before the kids woke up. A kind of as you're waking up as a morning was getting started and it was just so nice the days i would get so excited the night before the days. I knew that we were tennis. So we'd only play like usually every other day because we're both getting a little older. Our knees might be tried to go every day and it was just an awesome awesome way to get through the pandemic play something that was socially distance to get outside to get fresh air to get exercise and again. It was usually about every other day three to four times a week and i looked forward to those days so so much. It gave me an awesome like push into my day and i was excited the day before two because i knew i was going to play and the cool part is when when someone else feels that way too because oh is it just me and i asked lu like i get really jazzed this man so let's keep playing yes. I look forward to it all day the day before so it was. It's those little things during this year. Men a lot and yeah and we re not that we weren't friends but even more rekindle a friendship Since we weren't teaching together anymore so little things all right. You're number wrong. That's right six games. So i mentioned in some of the other podcasts. Podcast about my firepit and yes it. Being older fire pits the regular smoking and the gas. Yes the gas. Firepit that trav- bought me for my birthday. So is that is that now. Variance is that at the beach house. Our deck is right off of our living room and the living area of the beach houses very open so you can see everything and then the fire pits right on that deck. So a lot of nights in november and december. Because i didn't get the firepit november It would be sunset really early. Like four forty five and the kids would be either outside with me on the deck going in and out through the sliding door. Maybe we'll be watching a show or how would be playing with. Toys hill are indoor. Well yeah but i would just kind of leave the door open ticket come in and out but it gave me the opportunity at the end of my day while not not the end of my day like at four forty five. My work work just gone cutting the kids getting dinner but sitting there with a glass of wine or glass of water. What have you right away that game. You guys are out there who drink. What water wine heiki take your pick but finding that place in your small little world that makes you the happiest. Now is my happy place. I mean watching the sunset and having the fire on like a cooler night and just sitting down relaxing and it was just nice because even the kids were there. Every time i did it i mean maybe once or twice they might have been waking up from a nap so i maybe had a few minutes to myself but usually they were there too and it was just such a nice. It is such a nice experience the whole setup that we have there and so yeah. There were a lot of nights where i was like. This is pretty fantastic. You know we might not have gone to. Bali may orca or anywhere outside the us but we found an oasis. And you know we made the most of it. Would you say that that firepit is phya. Yeah i no one says it. But i had my stand that no you stand the file. I stand the fire. Firepit stand still. Don't know if that's really a thing. But i would say when people have asked me what like what's the best part about being at the beach about living at the beach. The the best answer. I can give because this incapital encapsulates everything. The best answer i can give is that our default lifestyle is outside instead of inside. So you know where we live here in philadelphia. Even though we're not dead in the center of the city there's a lot of other people around and our default lifestyles just in the house and we have to make an effort. Oh we should go on a walk. We should go to the park and we get out and we do a lot of stuff with the kids but our default lifestyles inside and we have to think about going outside at the beach house. Our default lifestyle is outside. And here's what's crazy about even when we're not outside on the sand or in the water or anything like that or even on the deck. That's outside because it's set up in a way where the whole of the house is a wall of windows and there's two decks off the front that we can leave the windows open. Leave the doors open even when you're sitting in the living room or you're in the kitchen which is in the front of the house. It feels like you're outside. You're just you're looking out and you see the ocean. See the sunset and you see while of sunrise more sunsets to the other side. But you just feel like you are outside and like you are a part of nature even if you're sitting indoors and to me that's the best part of it because i had never you know. Some people like an outdoors person. And i i felt like i wanted to be an outdoors person. But i wasn't a hike. Everybody's like oh we loved hiking and like hey right. So i felt like a fake outdoors. What i just hadn't found what my outdoors yeah was walking or the ocean or swimming or surfing like these activities that we enjoy right more and so now an outdoor person and i know that my outdoor is at the beach and so we spend a lotta time outdoors. And that's just awesome. So yeah the firepit is worth every single cent that we've spent on it My number what are we at my number six. I had to put this above tennis with blue. It's very similar. Because i knew my mom was much more likely to listen to podcasts. A little so here you go didn't okay my number 'cause i guess. Is it walks with your mom. Number six is walks with my mom. So they'll kill especially since we've been home this christmas time and then when we were home for another day at the end of october in the beginning november my my mom is retired now she still superfit mom. Shout out to you. Plays on the over sixty i think. Us women's national field hockey team and They will win a gold medal whenever they resume play so yes she still play sports. She still always out there and she goes out on this walks and so it was really cool when i came back in october because i saw to do forty five minutes of exercise at twice a day and so most days one of my exercise would be my mom and i walk a lot of times. It would be her. And i listening together to my brother's podcast. Yoda it's rank. Go check it out if you love pop culture and ranking things yoda rank. You can find it anywhere that you're finding this podcast except on can't find that there and so we just going we talk and sometimes listeners podcast and we just had really really good times and you know it's just a it's just nice. It's just really nice. And i don't think if covert hadn't if we weren't in this time with coburn that we would be doing at because we'd be pushed in so many different directions friends would want to hang out. We'd want to go to this brewery. We wouldn't go out to eat but because we can't and because we're not just like yup. Those daily walks took on that same thing as playing tennis with lou. Like that was the thing. I look forward to and still do so That's just been a really cool experience. That's awesome celebrating the little things. All right nine you're number. Five number five is a combo. Because again had to pare down my list so i will just encapsulate it by saying the beautification of our backyard at our permanent home. And you know before people think that were just like massive ballers i just want to say. That are permanent we. We've been talking a lot about the beach house and how amazing it is. It is amazing are actual house is is smaller in square footage than the beach house. And you know it has a very small backyard. Fifteen hundred square feet not big nor small just to relative to whatever and it's an old house which we love what we did a lot of work to make a beautiful including many years spent making the backyard beautiful and last year. I had been begging for a privacy fence from travel for years and years and years. This year's told all the one side of our backyard because it's like narrow. We live in a row home. And so it's a narrow space has a privacy fence and the other side had a chain link chain link fence and i was like three foot is not look good. Also it doesn't provide any privacy like all these things. I've been begging so long story short for mother's day. He's like well. I'm not gonna pay like lowe's or home depot to come because it's thousands of dollars for sixty feet offense which is outrageous. It's like i will have our friend. Who's like a handyman rojas in hindsight. Now that i've done it. That's that's debatable. But you had fun doing it. You had your friend come over and help you. Who's very handy and you. You built the from me which was amazing and made her backyard really beautiful so that would have been one of its own but i had to tack it onto this other night. That was may fourth. I have a picture for. I don't know a few pictures on my phone. So we done the privacy fence. I done the gravel patio with a smoky fire pit and just made our backyard or little oasis and it was one of the first nights that was pretty warm. We set the table. The outdoor table up had a plant on there. I had like some policemen. Just made it really special dinner in my mom and my sister. Emily and of course my sister julie over for dinner and for the first part of quarantine. We were not seeing my sister. And my mom. Because my mom was risking. We're like what if we inadvertently have covert so it was like two months of not seeing them know. Finally we decide well. We've all been staying home. I think it's pretty safe. come over. let's have dinner my sister. Emily made this amazing dinner. It was best meals. I know but. I think it's because i forgot about it because i looked up through my pictures and i saw this picture of this. Beautifully set table with the golden light coming on at like six thirty at night and put that picture opponents. Try now. She made this grilled tilapia and mango salsa and a ruby salad. And she's so delicious me. Because i didn't have to make it but also my sister's a great cook so it was just like this perfect night's sitting in our backyard. That's now so beautiful. Like exactly how. I had always wanted it to look celebrating with family that we haven't been able to see because of this pandemic and just brought me so much joy. When i looked back i was like yeah that was a great night epilogue to that about a week later. We had a huge stellar. That's true a tree fell right through our backyard. Completely demolished are shed and ripped through the fence so that had to get repaired but for why look back. Backyard was perfect and until that storm. Anyway that yeah well all right you had to bring it down after my very ironic that you had waited years and years and years to get all this we have it. We have that night apparently may fourth as your pictures and then one week later storm through ripped apart our backyard. Now it's all fixed now. But i mean it was. It was pretty. That was a bit of a bummer. But anyway my number five and this was a trip. I got to take one of the two. So i if you remember you've been following long and you're whenever the e pop. Podcast like gung-ho listeners. You know that i took two flights. This year was to nashville already talked about that. Carry nate's party. The second was to california to visit my buddy brian in l. And we didn't do anything crazy in la. But i don't care about doing crazy stuff a lot again. This comes back to his theme of just a really nice day and something that was normal that in hindsight now knowing that covert has happened we wouldn't even be able to do and that was. I just love driving around cities. I love going through neighborhoods and i love being on college campuses. So my buddy. Brian knows that he loves were very similar. He's like let's go to ucla campus and just walk around and do work from there and brainstorm and talk about business and this and that and i was like that sounds perfect. I've never been to that part of town so we drive out. You know we go through this part of town that i had never been shown me all the highlights driving through on the way there. We're driving through some cool neighborhoods and then we go to ucla. We walk around the campus. We there was like a protest going on. Of course it's ucla so we like watching that we go into the library. We do some work from there. We eat at the cafeteria. We just hung out and You know again. I love college campuses. I- ucla obviously a huge massive university. You know. I grew up watching college sports so we went to see some of that stuff. And then after that we drove down down to like south of l. a. and went through some of those towns there and we came back and we played tennis that evening under the lights and went hot tub that night and it was like cool. What is sweet date on that. Okay okay now it was. It was just like brian is like. I didn't need to do anything like insane. It was just like that's a day for me on and it's true. I mean that i i i was joking about the day but like yeah what would you do on your dream day. If we're on one of those shows. I guess i would kind of jack sports to be outside gets go around and college. Campus see neighborhoods. It was cool. that's awesome. yeah ma. you're number four. Maybe it's age. Well i guess you could call it a date with your sister and my sister and your mom and had he so it was a girl date girls and recall the girls. Yeah this is not something. I would have thought would have made my list because well i'll tell you what it is. It's wedding dress shopping with my sister-in-law gail interesting it. Probably her wedding might have made the list of hop experiences in two thousand twenty. The wedding. that didn't happen. Believe in november. But she had to cancel like many other people out. There had to cancel her winning. It was meant to be in panama. April couldn't go to panama and she didn't get to go to panama until november which is where her fiance. Her now husband lives and so we didn't get to attend her wedding. I mean we watched it on. Facebook live wasn't quite the same so what was special cute though to watch for like what's happening. Whatever like she's getting married in like waving about do you like she's getting married. She's literally saying we are so happy for her. And so when i was again looking through my pictures i had all these pictures of us going wedding dress shopping and now with something super special that i did with her and she doesn't have another sister so she just has five. And you know my sister jewell used to work in a bridal shop so she's very experienced with shopping and what. You should look for an address and galen julia roommates. Who was like this whole fun girls day and we went to tutor from places and where she ended up finding address. This little boutique in philadelphia that actually traps ankle owns and so we had the whole place to ourselves for like a private appointment which my uncle crash the girls night for him. That's that's how he operates but it was just really special and it was so special. When she found that their dress. I cried and i did. It was just so meaning offers. When i got got my own dressing. I didn't even cry. You know but then you add ten years and a couple kids and your you know whatever you water will come little more weepy little more weight. Sure but her dress is absolutely freaking fantastic and stunning and she hasn't it yet because she's waiting until they can celebrate the big day with people. I've never seen a more beautiful dress. And i've never seen her look radiant so to me. That was just like a super awesome experience. My number four and you are someone. Both you and i are this way but we have different skill sets. We are people who love helping out other people when it's something we know about. And they don't that's one of our. I would say strengths but also one of the things that gives us the most pleasure in life you know i. That's why extra pack of peanuts way. Back when i could have just said i'm going to learn how to use frequent flyer miles and i'm just going to. We're going to travel to me. Most of the fun is helping other people do it when my friends and family got sick of listening to me i was like well. Maybe i can help people out there in the world. Do this thing called the blog and then a podcast right and so both you and i really really really enjoy that and for you. One of your major skill sets and something. You've helped my mom and my sister with because neither of them would classify themselves as like girly or anything and fashion east. I don't mean that derogatory to in a derogatory way. They wouldn't say they're that way but you've helped them decorate their spaces. You've helped them change your wardrobe and things like that so it was really cool when you got to go because i know my sister was super nervous about finding address but she knows if she can have a professional expert. Go with her. Like that's awesome and then you get to feel that to like. Oh my gosh. We found one that she feels really comfortable. So i think that's where you and i align a lot in in our values helping others who might be nervous or scared or or might not do something because they don't know how to do it. We say let us step in and let us help you out whether it be helping. Start location dependent business. Helping you travel helping. Find a wedding dress helping you decorate house. Whatever so. i'm very appreciative. And i know my sister is infinitely more appreciative than me. That would probably be one of her top experiences. Well it was pretty incredible and he got sick to whole girl the whole crew and even have my number four. This might be on your list. So maybe we can double up. Here is porch sitting after long beach days with our friends jesse and katie. Is this on your list. Well it was on like that beach trip. That i had in like together and i didn't really get to be specific because i had too many beach trip. Okay so let let me just set the scene and is the first overnight trip we took since cove it happened was memorial day weekend. We went to ocean city new jersey and we went that went to the beach. With my sister your sister arcades you and i and are we talked friends jesse and katie and going down with their kids and they were only going to stay the day And we said julian gale rolling and a stage. Gal we're gonna say only say we're like all right guys. We're getting this hotel like this is first time this hotels open. It's safe. it's right on the beach each and we can point to it and it's right there so we're just gonna spend the night. It's like one hundred and thirty bucks or something and all of them were like probably gonna go home. Go home this and that and then it gets like four pm. Five pm six. Maybe we should check to see if they have a room of course. Did no one staying anywhere. Because it's still kobe and so they did in so instead of just how they're nine the kids spending the night everyone you know. Decide to spend the night so we think a usual year on memorial day weekend nothing would have been available to you. Wouldn't be able to not even this motel. We stayed at last minute. It just wouldn't have been available so that was really fun to that. You could actually just spur of the moment moment. Say spur of the moment and so because they spend the night that meant that night. Now granted jesse and katie's hair conditioner to work in there. That was a funny. It's like this nice guy at the motels like this i day. They're open poor guy anyway. They regardless because it happened we spent the night we we got dinner the next day we spent all this time on the beach winning. Go home until seven. Pm so we've got a whole extra beach day out of it. And then the next weekend they were like whoa. We're going to go do this in cape may cause our friends have a hotel in cape may and just opened. Do you want to do this again. And we thought why and so. We did that. Saturday sunday one. The little hack book one night saturday night. Go saturday mice both days. Y'all only spent saturday night. Spend all day sunday and drive home so we did that. The next weekend in cape may at a much nicer hotel cows. Big front porch that we have rockers. Put the kids to bed and put up all the video so we could see that everyone their phones out why we're sitting out on the front porch like the not the only people saying some of the only people just having a beer or two chatting way into the night like one. Am to. I think it was actually one thirty. Am yet remember back in college whether not that late. We're all so tired. We're so happy that we were having what is a regular what would normally be normal. Yes but during covert was one of the first times we got to be out with people and have conversation. It was awesome so two weekends in a row. That will never forget those first two weekends in the summer. Basically just really really really neat so that was awesome and then we ended up with the beach house the next like pretty soon after the weekend that you found the beach house online and like showing pictures to them and i was like no way we buying north carolina. It's too far away. Well you know you work your magic beach. The this year is a beach. All right number three. We're get we get down to the nitty gritty. Here so my number three. If you followed us on social media you might be aware that during quarantine my sister julienne i. As we affectionately called juju we launched a small business which is Decor styling diy instagram. By all of my sisters amazing amazing prod ducts business. And you know it was really fun. We talked about doing something like this for years because my sister julie's very talented at creating beautiful things and i guess i'm a little bit talented at you. Know styling spaces and finding the right finding the right plans. So we decided to just go forward and during quarantine. She was unable to work for those first couple. Months of lockdown. Like six weeks or more. It was a couple couple of months and so he's that. Let's just take this time to do this thing that we've always talked about doing so. We came up with the plan. The strategy couple of days later you know like we're shooting launch videos and like making a website and all the stuff and it was just really fun and then when the year carried out and she went back to work. You know we still have did it. But it was losing a little bit of momentum just because we were focused on other things but then at the end of the year kind of picks back up again hits back hauling lots of her products. It really picked back up when we got the beach house and she was helping us weekly furnish. Yeah wall hangings and beautiful coming to our house. Like where'd you get. This was it Heather system. How do i get one of all the you know. They're just start this business you know and then people started ordering stuff and so and then we start putting it out and then of course for the holiday season. You guys were doing a lot of instagram stuff. And people started buying so. Yeah that really. A huge boost was just like our house as a showcase for her autumn stuff. Yeah so that was just a big win for me of twenty twenty. The experience of launching it. And doing it with my sister was incredible and i can only hope that it gets better the next year. You shouldn't do business. Give clapping for that ink you in your zone of genius entrepreneurial stuff but that is in your genius of your zones of genius for sure when it comes to decor and decorating and styling spaces my number three. These are like three separate things that lead to one. Let's let's say. I m the one thing they lead to just as idea of surfing and having surfing experiences and the three distinct ones are. I is the first day that i went out surfing. So my buddy. Sean was like hey man. Let's get you out in the waves and i was like. Yeah that's cool. let's do it. I'm excited i wanna start. Surfing is feeling good. I had been working out. I was feeling like fairly fit and ready to tackle a new thing. So he goes okay. I'm gonna go out saturday And so we're tax and he's got a board for you so cool. Why don't you come to my house. And he goes. I already told i would go out. And what time. I would go out. I said okay. You just gonna come up here no me. And the whole crew going out down at the sand dollar beach access or something as the whole crew. Yeah the whole crew man. There's like ten of us. I said i didn't want to go because i was scared. I never ends on it before. And i thought oh i though it's sean and me out in the water and him teaching me how to surf. And that's it and there's gonna be a whole career people. I never met so. I had that i panic. I am just going to bail like my family's in town. I can just come up with excuse. He won't care no big deal and i'll tell him later that i just wanna do it. Just him and i and i'll get to a situation. That's that's more appropriate. And i for some reason like my actually not for some reason. My mom was interesting. Like yeah you're going to go on. Like wow that's a whole crucially just go. Don't be a baby. And i was like all right so i remember even walking down the beach. Cruiser bit of walked them. I was very nervous. Things shy turn back shy timberlake and this is anything. Fear creeps up. When we don't have to do some and i didn't and i went out and everyone's super nice and it was even more fun with crew because there's multiple people telling me what to do and like cheer me on and i got to watch them and so it was. It was awesome. I came back after like three hours of being out in the water with them. And i just remember holding my head high in me like you did it like yeah the fear anyone out and you do the first time and you liked it and you really enjoyed it and now you're going to keep going out and usually that is the first time you have to do something. Once you push past that the rest becomes not easy. But you get that confidence. Well it's not like ours an amazing surfer after one time so the next one was when i finally caught my eye caught in air quotes my first wave now just playing around in the whitewater. I didn't catch through a paddle and doing catch it but the whitewater was hitting and there was like real surfers out when the waves are breaking and then after they broke and they wrote them in there. Were still some powerful whitewater. So i'd paddling and hop up then and then i would ride those and i remember like at first. I felt silly. I'm like yeah. They're catching door. You shouldn't here just in the shallow end. Essentially listen a win win hun. But i didn't care. Yeah because i was getting up. And i was catching actually riding waves for the first time. I remember coming out that day. It'd be like dude. You stood up on board like you couldn't do that before and after today you could. And then the third was. I went out one time and you know. I didn't think the waves are much. And i almost went in and like these are crappy and then no one else is out and i don't know how to read waves at well so my goal if no one else is out it might. It might suck but it didn't. It was actually perfect me. There smaller waves and i was for the first time paddling and catching them before they broke and getting up and riding created. They were really small but riding. Waves the correct way. And i remember the first one i caught. I like got up. And i was like no. I didn't oh my gosh. I'm actually on it. And it hasn't broke now writing this wave and then stayed on it to a point where i then decided to jump off the board versus like falling off. I was like i wrote it to its end and jumped up. Yeah and i jumped out of the water. And i just remember you like shouting at the top of my lungs pumping my fist. Like it would have been a cheesy scene and moving number three year. Now so this is a big moment was just pure unadulterated joy of like. Oh my gosh. I didn't expect to do that today. I thought i was just going to mess around. And here. I call this and maybe people in the house thought maybe no one saw it. I didn't care and then for like an hour after once. I got that feeling. Like i know what that feels like. I just kept riding these small waves over and over. And after that i was like i have caught a way for real now so experiences. Yeah that's great go. I feel like excited about that. I can't get you. This is why. I want you to come out surfing so bad because may i know you'll be better much better balancing me and be. It's just such a when you do something like that for the first time that you probably never really expected to do or don't have any training in it's like i hopped on a bike. 'cause i used to do so as a kid right. You just feel like you've accomplished something that you set your mind to that. You is a brand new skill and it shows you that no matter what age you are whether it's surfing or something else you could say i'm going to acquire them and you can get better and better and better better each time. You which is not usually great at something the first time which used to make you feel defeated and then not do it. So you've really come a long way since college. I guess yeah. And i think that certain things like surfing do that like you. Just know. you're not gonna yeah good right some things you might expect yourself to be like you know i ever says is hard and then you get all you have to go out the first time and try to do and be like. Oh yeah. oh this is hard like humbles. You very questar number two and i will say for my number sh. I said this list was hard. My top two were definitely machine. Just no they definitely were like these. Were my top two for sure gotcha. Okay so if you feel the same necessarily no i mean mine. Were just like ten to one. Okay yeah so to my number. Two is decorating the beach house. So i feel like you are not the type of people who liked to be idle. Have a project whether it's planning a trip going somewhere doing something buying real estate. We have to do something just so you know. When the beach house came along it was july. We decided to look as soon as we went to see the house. I walked in there. And i was like we need to buy this house. I mean he didn't even really have to commit because there are some things we were looking at the pictures that like. Well i want to change if we get the house for changing this. If we get the help you know. I like to play my cards right and have some bargaining power power to be like well if we get this how i'm going to be able to do x y and z or. I'm going to get right usually it's trav- who's like the train. It's like making this. Go forward you guys. You know relationships you know how it works. I'm not saying that it's always tit for tat. But yeah you kind of say like this person wants it more so like what can i get out of this even if a very good nature right exactly you know it's not like a deceitful but anyway so but then as soon as i walked into house kind of knew that i didn't really have much of that sway because i also wanted to house really badly and the nice i just i was like the wheels are turning and i like went on pinterest and i started a private pinterest board because i didn't want to get ahead of myself for people to be like. Oh why do you have a new interest board. That's labeled beach house. And like whatever. But i just got so excited. I was like well if we don't buy his speech house. We need to buy a beach house. Because now i want to style. You might have been more into it. Probably not more than me but equally you were in. Yeah like. I remember you saying even when you're talking about negotiating and how high can we go and this and that and you're saying we need to get it. I'm like no we have to set a top number. you know. we need to get this house like they're not that you were saying we could do anything but just like we need to get this like we need to get it and i agreed with you. And so that's why when we are. Negotiations kinda fell on deaf ears. And they're basically give us asking or out right. We all right done like. We tried to negotiate. We tried to play hardball. Didn't wear this is good deals. let's do it. I mean it was a good deal out asking price which is why we were even considering it and we just kind of got it in our heads. Maybe we could get an even better. Could your heads steal but the price we gotta steal anyway so just the whole process of decorating it and you know the house itself was was is nice. The previous owner had done some renovations. Not exactly the way that we would do it if we chose but it was still nice enough and so we did some cosmetic things and then just literally styling every room has been so much fun and salako little bit more to do but for the most part. You know it's ready. It's being rented right now on airbnb so it was took up the last five months of my year but it was so i mean it was a canvas that allows you to create and sometimes to my chagrin the credit card statement but yeah it was a full house to not renovate but to decorate and i will say in my defense. I'm pretty thrifty shopper. And we did buy quite a few things second hand we not everything obviously but like some nice pieces that make it feel a little extra special and the area like north carolina. I was unaware has so many good furniture and like used shops. So i went to quite a few of them and found some really gotten got to pick one pick. One is your favorite piece in the house. My favorite piece. I d i y or just like my favorite favorite piece or the or the best deal that we got excited swings. That we got were the best deal. Because i had one in these serena and lily like hanging ratan swings and they were five hundred dollars and we were like. I don't know if we can put that in the budget we will get only one and then i found them at the store. There was going out of business for like one hundred and thirty bucks or something we got to get to. I mean that was the best steal the best you and they just look super cool a steal of a deal video anyway. I mean that was super fun. It wasn't always fun every minute of the day. It was fun overall for me as well watch it transform and be able to play a little part of it you know. I found this really cool piece that i liked When i was at a thrift store for like one hundred and thirty bucks this old wicker like awesome super heavy trash. Yeah super. perhaps that thing hurt my back. Big time game out the stairs but and then another thing that we turned into our stand so it was it was pretty fun experience and unassuming the cool part about it was that because are able to be location in pen and have location freedom time freedom. We were able to do it during the day. Like it was neat for me because i would work on the computer nerd. Buoying out all on the computer doing all this stuff for like a couple hours and then say all right. I got to get out in the real world so then we go to thrift stores and we try to find stuff so it's nice to to have that other goal that was outside of the digital world event. I always have enjoyed that. And that's one reason. I like real estate to all right mind number. Two in these are my number two. I just knew when. I wrote my list that these were the two. We're gonna stick out the most so my number two was a ten thirty pm. Walk that. I took with our little girl. Hattie on the beach deserted beach. This was in the middle of me. Doing this program called seventy five hard which we haven't heard on the on the show before it's just a program that's a mental toughness program but also helps to your physical fitness and seventy five days and you have to work out two times a day for forty five minutes each and can't be consecutive and then there's other things you have to do to so it was ten thirty at night. I had not done my second workout. And i was just going to do it inside. Pushups situps things like this and our little girl was just screaming and wouldn't go. She would not go to sleep and we're both frustrated. We're frustrated with each other refresher with her. Like i still gotta work out this socks. And i thought bad mood and i'm like whatever i'm just throwing her in this baby rap and i'm gonna take a walk that's going to be my workout and you know the moment i put her in and i went outside and i hit the beach and started walking like it was a complete one eighty and my mindset of like oh you felt so bad for yourself that you had to do this workout and instead it's like no you get to do is like you're healthy enough that you can go walk on the beach you live at the beach. You have a beautiful daughter like i assume. She stopped screaming right quickly. There she sleep maybe like the first five or ten minutes but even before she seaboards was just this. Think how lucky you are. You know we all get feel bad for ourselves pissed off that that are planned isn't going our nights not going how we want and especially with kids. It's always gonna acting like a selfish baby. Yeah you're acting. And so. I through and we went. Walking fell asleep pretty quickly and i just thought oh my gosh. I'm so lucky and we just walk that beach. It was way longer than forty five minutes. She was sleeping so comfy. There was not a soul on the beach. Because i think it was you know. Mid-september was a weekday. I don't remember what day. And i'm just walking up feet in the water. No one around pitch black except for except for like the night sky. And i'm just walking up and down the beach with her and i'm just like this is like this is all i want like a happy healthy family and being at the beach and getting to be outside and so it was cool to me in a moment i will always remember because it just helped me. Flip my mindset. It was almost instant like as soon as my feet hit the sand. I just thought it was like. Oh my gosh now. I'm happy and this the way it says anymore. I'm happy happy boy and that was it. I was happy boys so yeah it was just a really special moment and one of the cool things just texted my buddy sean. Who could possibly be having a kid right now. The due date is today. And i just tell them it's i kid. I'm like you know he was worried about the fact that when you have a kid you can't be selfish and you can't do all the travel stuff you wanna do. They're big travelers and he has all these goals and entrepreneur. And all that and i said to him like especially with the first one you can get. You can still do almost everything that you want to do. And it's gonna be so much different. And we had this experience with in budapest. When i was out walking with him at like ten thirty in the morning that time and he was jet lagged and passed out. And you were jet lagged and you were sleeping. And i'm just pushing him. He's passed out in the stroller around. Budapest i'm getting do what i wanna do. Go out and export town. And he's not going to remember a he's asleep but be a year old so he'll never this memory but i will have the of doing it with and it's different because of that experience. Yeah like it's different. Milwaukee beach by myself which i do all the time and me having her and my memory will always be of her and i or him i even if they don't remember that doesn't matter because thereupon i'm making a memory that they're involved in and so that was yeah. It is really like a shift a paradigm shift. You think you're going to show them the world but they actually are showing you the world in a completely different way than you've ever seen it and my friend. Melanie actually Which one of my favorite people that. I met in person last year Had that up like she puts up. Great little quotes on instagram. I saw that this morning. And i was like yes. They got it. Yeah totally i mean. You're just it's just different and you know we don't need to gush too much about being on everybody out. There listening is apparent. But if you are you know what i'm saying but it's awesome and yeah and if you're not and you're worried about that because listen especially i will say this vulnerable roy as a father and his dad when you're not carrying the child you kind of feel disconnected. Like all my. I know my life's going to change but until it does your kind of like well. My life hasn't changed. My body isn't changes put on sympathy weight. But hey i was my own choice and it's a little hard. I'm not as hard as is for you guys to have to carry a child but you. There is a disconnect heard other dads to be. Say that. I'm a little worried. Because i don't feel that different. I don't feel that love yet and even when the baby comes it's not relying on you and you kinda just third we own. I'm not used to being that. There is a lot of feelings going on. And i would just tell people out there. If they're listening like you know give it time and when you have a kid like you are going to have these special moments. That are irreplaceable. Like again. even if they're sleeping and they have no idea they'll never take a picture of it so you can show them later but yeah that was my number two awesome. Wow that's pretty. I could have saved my number one. Yeah okay well. Now i am. I can't wait to hear your number one less gushy okay. Let's go she well. My number one is not that gushy at all other than when i think back over the year the thing that changed the most and the thing that we experienced that we loved the most was just simply living at the beach. We have always always said that you know where could we live with. We could live anywhere. We want to live in the mountains on a lake. We wanna live at the beach by the ocean and we were always people always always and so for that to happen to us in twenty twenty completely unequivocally unexpectedly then just to be there to live. There has been an incredible experience. And you know. Oh you mean like just the day in day out normal Quote unquote normal. Yeah i mean because it's it was our dream. And then the dream came to fruition. So that's gotta be pretty high on the list. I think my number one is right in line with us. I'm just all boil down to a moment for me or what i would say. I've let's say a thirty six hour period. Oh wow okay. We're really narrow down. Yeah thirty five hours a day and a half. We're talking basically a day and a half hours. Waking up on august third. Okay going to sign the papers knowing. There was a hurricane coming running to the house with with my brother. Cody and my parents and heather and the kids unwilling sister gail. I was unloading the u-haul like as quick as possible getting everything in the house by six. Pm the hurricane comes at seven pm. You know just trying to build stuff as hurricanes coming making sure like me. My mom and i tried to figure out how they unwrapping the beds because his house was completely empty. And fortunately like we had planned as much as we could at least have enough mattresses for people you know. But there's the memory foam wants to open them up and roll them out and you know you're supposed to let him out for twenty four hours within. Obviously we slept on them. But i mean my mom. And i are running around. Here's here's a funny anecdote trying to figure out how to close the hurricane shutters because well we've never had hurricane shutters before and there's just a thing of keys that's like forty kizilis key chain and like some are rusted and we can't get them shot and we don't have a ladder to get up like they have to be shut shut all the way we know nothing about hurricane shutters right and my brother cody and my sister. Gail like putting together the kitchen table because it's like eleven pm at night and no one's going to see other than the kids cause the wind is whipping the wave. You're hitting the house it's crazy. They can't sleep. they're out there putting together the table. Heather and i are trying to sleep. The houses swaying. And we're like. Oh my gosh i think it is supposed to sway because is up on stilts as i have some movement but it felt okay in the room when you're around other people and susie went room by yourself it it got scary a little strain couldn't sleep and then we're going out with then. There was like a loud crash in the middle of the night. Because someone dropped something you. And i both. We went out and it was just my brother. Were still up still putting together this dang table And so all that finally go to sleep next day wake up. I go for a walk on the beach. It is as calm as you can imagine sun's shining beautiful bluewater. I'm out on the beach walk round. I'm talking everyone like you just moved in last night. That's crazy you know this and that and then my brother and i at about noon go out and we have the perfect body surfing waves. So we're like out in the ocean just body surfing. I remember sitting there thinking. This is my new life. we did. We survive the hurricane. I can't believe we've actually all the stuff that had to happen for. This to work has happened. And now we're in and this is this. This is the start of a brand new life and now it's normal right now it's like it was still bunch of crazy stuff to get ready. Bike survived that first day. And now i'm actually enjoying the fruits of our labor sitting here bodysurfing when my brother and just hanging out and it was awesome That's that's a thirty six hour. Pure alison wild. That was wild and it was. It was really fun and a little bit touching. Go there A little bit. It was great because we didn't even lose power for that much and we didn't have any major damage also. Yeah we came out on top and having family there. I think that yes. If you and i and the we would have been we raise stress. Are we doing this right. What has to happen. 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What is the Birth Chart of the United States?

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What is the Birth Chart of the United States?

"Hi My name. Is Chris Brennan in listening to the astrology podcast? This is Episode two hundred and fifty two and today will be talking with astrologer Nina Griffin about. What is the birth chart of the United States Soot today is Sunday April. Twenty six twenty twenty starting at four fifty one PM Denver Colorado and Hino. Welcome back to the show thank you. It's a great pleasure to be here. Chris Yeah this is an episode. We've been talking about doing for a few months now and I'm glad that we finally got a chance to do it. And you put a lot of work in research into this topic and I. It's a really big one so we've got a lot to cover today But I think it should be a good episode to finally have out. There agreed very excited about this. All right so part of the genesis of this episode is just one as I've been sick Obviously a lot of major events have been happening in the world and I wanted to start getting back to the podcast. Now that I'm getting better but it seemed like it was not a good time to do lighthearted episodes but instead there were six thousand weedy world events going on right now so wanted to do a weighty episode on a major topic that sort of relevant to large groups of people and one of the major discussion topics and debate topics that frequently comes up asked logical community. When you start talking about mundane astrology is what is the true birth chart of the United States and while it seems like that should be like an easy answer. It's actually a lot more complicated than one would think I think right. That's a fair statement to make. I think if anything. It's an understatement. Chris Right yes so. This is one of those things where there's been a lot of debates for a very long time about what is the true birth chart of the United States. We're going to sort through all of that today. We're not going to give you a singular specific answer but instead we're going to focus on outlining. What is the problem? And what are some of the different birth charts of the United States? That people have chosen or work with historically or still used today in. What is the background behind that? Which ones have what going for them in terms of while you choose one chart over another so in order to start though we have to give since both of us are into traditional astrology a of traditional backdrop in terms of how astrologers historically have used astrology to spit steady world events. And when you go pretty far back it doesn't actually you don't end up using birth charts of countries but instead there were other approaches to Mundane Astrology. Back in the day right. Yes that that is definitely true. So if you go back far enough and I would say that you pretty much have to go back to ptolemy who wrote about this. In the second book of his troubles 'em He really assigned certain signs to regions. It's even hard to say that it's assigned to countries because kind of nation states as we know them today really didn't exist in his time. But you know he might assign a certain Signed to Germania or the Germanic tribes which obviously covers a very amorphous and potentially large piece of land and similarly. You know you do see that a lot. More in the old tech swear entire regions or entire you can think of them as bands really are associated with certain signs so they would apply the signs of the Zodiac two different countries or different regions and give them different qualities. There were all so different techniques for studying in mundane astrology for sitting things like limitations or ingress charts. Which you've done a lot of work with that's right. I have certainly on the practical level but if again if you go back before the idea of the national chart which will get a second you see really what people were using is they were looking at Lou Nations. They were looking at eclipses at important transit's or configurations as certainly ingress is and these particular ones were these particular types of charts. Were I think useful in a lot of ways but it becomes a little bit difficult because if you have capital cities so that you might set these charts for a capital city of a country or a region or kingdom if they're pretty close together as many European cities often are you might not really see much of a difference between those charts at all So it becomes a little bit difficult to distinguish between events occurring in in neighborhoods neighboring countries or kingdoms right because those charts for example the areas in graphs which is like the start of the astrological New Year is just a chart set for the moment that the sun moves into the tropical sign of aries. I'm in that location in specific city. Let's say in a given year in that supposed to give you some forecasts for the year but your point is that especially in Europe with cities so close together those charts aren't GonNa vary that much From city to city. That's exactly right. Yeah and that can be predictive challenges. You can imagine Definitely so as I was thinking about this historically the probably earliest precedent than for this issue about the US. Birth chart is eventually they did astrologers through elections and inception astrology did the casually CASS charts for the founding of cities so for example the most famous one was the founding of Baghdad In the seventh or eighth century which was The foundation was picked by a group of astrologers who the king got together and said pick an auspicious date for me to found the what will become the capital of my new empire and they picked the most auspicious date that they did and that became Baghdad which became a intellectual hub for several centuries. So we have instances like that where you have like a singular chart for a city which becomes even the capital or there were early attempts by earlier. Roman astrologers to sometimes come up with a chart for Rome or a birth chart for Constantinople but often these cities were founded so far in the distant past that there weren't good historical records so they would have to rely on or resort to rectification in order to try to speculate what the Founding Charter of the society must have been. That's right and I think the operative word there is speculation. Ask a lot of these cities unlike Baghdad which was very conveniently and thoughtfully forest rogers founded at a certain moment. Most cities are thought to have just grown up from settlements or from very ancient times so it would be difficult to even find a moment you know that it really began so Yes which was funny in in the ice of Rome because when you see the astrologers discussion of that Rome has this quasi mythological could story about being founded by Romulus and Ramos were supposedly raised by wolves and so they're trying to factor in like things like that into the rectification little dicey. Yeah I agree and you have to wonder if they were really taking it that seriously but they must have. I mean they put a lot of work into it. Sure so So that sets up a precedent where there was historical precedent for both astrologers looking for some time singular charts for the inception or the beginning of something. Major like a city under the premise. That that chart would tell you something about the history. And the future of whatever's was founded or started at the time which is the basic principle of election astrology but also it sets up a print premise where astrologers sometimes so desperately want to find that singular chart for something that they can sometimes have to resort to rectification to try to infer or speculate. What the founding must have been based on astrological principles but that all the structures no that that rectification is inherently speculative on some level and therefore not always one hundred percent. That's exactly right so then it becomes more of a a an issue of belief and how much you want to believe that particular chart you know and then of course you can get all these competing rectifications and so right which which everyone's familiar with especially from natal astrology with the birth charts of celebrities Especially if a birth time is not known or if there's conflicting birth times like like I dunno recently for example the controversy surrounding Hillary Clinton's birth time but even other celebrities like Michael Jackson or other people that there's many different competing speculations In needle astrology. But here it's just being applied in a mundane context. That's right so one of the points that you made in our outline as we were preparing for this and I wanted to stay most of this outline was compiled by you and you did like an amazing job compiling our discussion today so I just wanted to give you credit for that at the start of this. 'cause I've been still kind of low energy but one of the points that you made is that in the twentieth century it we saw real shift in emphasis towards natal astrology. And that's part of also what sets up this issue as well as just the emphasis that modern astrologers have on Natal Astrology Ryan. Yes exactly I mean if you think about it and you know as a historian of astrology. I think you can probably confirm. This is once you get into the twentieth century. There starts to be this trend where NATO astrology is the dominant form of astrology and for many astrologers. It's like it's almost the only valid form you know. We move away from. Harare we move away from even mundane and a lot of cases answer really the natal chart becomes primary dominant in a way that historically it was just one of your many sub fields of astrology but in the twentieth it really does seem to take a certain precedence. Sure so that would be as opposed to her as compared contrasted with. Let's say somebody like William Lilly who writes his introduction to astrology and he does like introductory concepts and then immediately jumps into Harari and then does natal astrology after that that so showing a clear preference for Horie whereas that shifts in Natal Astrology is typically in Twentieth Century in early twenty first century astrology. What people are exposed to first and primarily? That's exactly right and so I think there is the tendency once you start looking at the world that way to you know essentially look for natal charts of countries as being the predominant method and and kind of the Holy Grail of of prediction Luca and that carries with it some other shifts such as the focus on timing techniques like transits and Progressions especially secondary progressions as applied to those birth charts. But then that means really you need a really well timed natal chart in order to used timing techniques like that. That's exactly right so it carries with it some dangerous when it comes to nations and cities sure so in order to be able to make predictions about like a nation or a city. You have to have A well-timed chart for that nation. Otherwise you're timing could be off by a year or or ten years or one hundred years precisely okay. So that makes sense But the issue that we come back to then is just like an ancient times. In many cases the original national charts for different countries are either impossible to obtain or there becomes a question about When IS NATION OFFICIALLY BORNE? Because sometimes can be different symbolic moments of origin. That could be valid or useful or could compete for sort of preeminence. That's yeah that's exactly right and you see it. We'll get into this. I think a little bit later but you do see that because if you think about it in the life of a nation however you define that there may be many significant events right. There often isn't just one but there could be quite a few. I'm especially in more modern times. You have different republics different governments so you have all these different competing options and so what you see is often you get kind of a smorgasbord of options and astrologer which charts speaks most to you. Maybe you've done a little bit of back testing to see which seems to match events but did say in any case. I think any stronger today would recognize that you know all these charts are just kind of one in a chain of events right so it's really you know in this long life span so sometimes people look for the one true birth but even then I have seen astrologers say okay you know the division of this country in nineteen thirty nine is really the chart that works even though there have been subsequent important events since then things like that. Yeah I mean it really comes back to natal astrology and just how much emphasis we put on because at least with natal astrology. There is a definitive moment of like a one minute. You're still like a fetus on some level at another minute year suddenly Have been separated from your mother's body are like an independent living entity and although there's some like There can be some gap there. Were there some question about when exactly as the exact moment of birth? It's still in like a range of time where there's a very clear demarcation and while sometimes there historically been questions about well why do astrologers use the moment of birth instead of let's say the moment of conception and sometimes astrologers have experimented with conception charts for different reasons Natal astrology and a clear cut nature of natal astrology. Often makes astrologers want to be something similar when it comes to studying other things like the birth of a country and that's that's a great point and one of the things that seems to distinguish these key charts one from another or the ones that seem to be most popular and popularly. Used are ones where there is a transfer or transition of power or the bestowing of legitimacy on a person or group as as leaders or as the legitimate government. Now again you know. In the life of a nation. This usually happens many times and so it's Like I said people do have to make some decision about which heart they want to use but it may not be the same for all people working with the chart for for that nation and one of the things that's funny about some of the older countries like countries in Europe is questions about like. When do you even pick you have so many options because their history goes so far back like hundreds and hundreds of years that there can be much larger debates about what to go with just because you have more significant moments of origin to work with all the way up until modern times? But that's where the United States almost presents an interesting and unique case because as a country? It's still relatively new. And it's sort of origins are a little bit more distinctive in some instances than other countries as a result of that. So you you almost do have a more clear cut. Starting timeframe to to start with her to work with. Yeah that's that's a great point and I mean obviously the United States is interesting because it's a major country at you know it's a major international player so people study at much more than you know. I don't know the for Luxembourg or something but it's him you know one of the things about it just like you said really all the countries in the Americas you can say have been found in the last several hundred years right whether you start from colonization from the moment of independence. However you want to begin. This is one of those things where you know it's sort of very tantalizing to astrologers because it is during recorded history and so there should be a time chart that at least in theory could be obtainable if we only find the right diary or document that that gives that exact time right and it's interesting because it's more recent within the past three hundred four hundred years that's in a period of more well documented history where some of the primary source documents that you have to work with still exist or can be read like their original language relatively easily like you don't have to learn Latin or lake mentioned Greek in order to go back and reconstruct the birth start at the US and it's also something that a lot of just modern mainstream stories have spent a lot of time on so there's plenty of source material to draw on if you should want to investigate this question thoroughly exactly and as you said secondary material to which will get into when we talk about the US chart specifically read all right so Why don't we get into this question than the question is? What is the birth chart at the United States The answer is not as simple as it seems. Most astrologers tend to focus on July fourth seventeen seventy six and that's part of the reason for is because that's usually celebrated at each year in the United States is Independence Day to commemorate the signing of the Declaration of independence. So there's sort of like a clear social thing that happens. It's kind of built into every astrologer every astrologer lives in. The United States. Is Mind where you can remember that being like a major holiday. That happens every year on July Fourth. And it's usually treated as if that is the birthday of the United States so as a result of that most astrologers tend to focus on July fourth seventeen seventy six as the birth deed and then they're just becomes a debate about what time exactly and what ascendant arising signed us but there's also some astrologers use or argue for different dates as being the true birth date and say the July fourth seventeen seventy six is not necessarily the true chart or date that should be used for the birth of the US. That's right you can think of it as kind of your your your trump card or something you have all these people arguing about what time is correct for July fourth and then somebody else comes in and says actually guys. It's not even July for you know it's starting to be our power move. Yeah exactly So and it gets a little bit crazy. I'm trying to think of analogies because there's other things like this national community I mean house. Division is is something a lot of. There's a lot of major debates about obviously but I'm trying to think of something. That's even more of a parallel sometimes. There's debates about the start of the age of Aquarius. That can be kind of a similar speculative thinking other any other major debates like that guys. Well I mean you can certainly go back. Historically to you know in the old days people are looking for the the date of the flood or the date. Jesus Christ's birth arrival. Jesus yeah that's a big one. Yeah those stuff yeah. I think this is a hobby for astrologers has been for quite some time. Yeah that's a good one. The birth strategies this probably historically the other major even more long standing speculative attempt to rectify a chart for a major event that use thought to have happened until like pick out a specific. Not just the exact time precisely. Yes our soldiers have been engaging in this for a long time now and will continue to do so so back to the chart of the United States. We've broken down those two main categories What we're going to do now is we're going to go through and talk about a bunch of different specific charts and specific dates. Do want to start with talking about the July fourth charts or do you want to build up to that first using the ones that are outside of that range. I'm thinking let's maybe build up to it and I just want to make sure because you know if if people are watching listening to this episode who liked to experiment with different charts. These are all ones that have been put forward with. You know reasonably decent cases for them being working charts or operative charts so it might be that people might want to just kind of try them out and you know and we work up to that point. Okay sounds good. What is the earliest chart that you found in your research? That's been put forward as a possible chart. The United States said the earliest one that I know of was published by Mark Penfield. And this is the chart of the first permanent settlement in America and the chart that that Mark Penfield shows is set for September. Eighteenth fifteen sixty five in Saint Augustine Florida and he sources it to the American Federation of Astrologers. But I don't know kind of the original genesis of this particular chart and it's an interesting chart because it actually has rawness insanitary is on the ascendant. So Sagittarius rising which becomes important later and the Senate is at nine Saj Jupiter conjoined. Actually the son in Virgo on the Mid Heaven and the moon is in Pisces. So lots of mutable signs operative in that Chart. Okay and what's The rising Saga Sagittarius? Nine degrees of Saj. Okay so let me go ahead and share that for those that are watching the video version of this episode. Does that look right? September eighth since fifteen sixty five and it actually should have nine degrees of Sagittarius rising. I'm not sure Boca Raton Israel's thorougly yeah it should be Train is that right because there's the old school new school chain. Yeah sometimes like it's messed up when I made the chart. Yep let's take a quick look at that Yup that looks right Buca So this is Charlie. You're saying Sagittarius Rising Jupiter Sun conjunction up in Virgo son Mercury conjunction in Libra. Over the house and so on and so forth Marsden Gemini which is kind of interesting because that is what some of the later chart share. That's right it. Mary's a lot of some of the popular add July fourth charts some socially so that the earliest but this is not something that a lot of people have embraced necessarily. It's just one of the ones that you've found where where it's one. Yeah the earliest date. Okay got train our eight. So after that another one that I liked symbolically just in terms of the event is the pilgrims landing at Plymouth rock which is an important part in the American myth of settlement. You know it's just it's an important moment and this chart is set for December Twenty First Sixteen Twenty and six am in Plymouth Massachusetts and it should have Sagittarius rising though. I don't have the degree in front of me but it has moon inside as well with December thirty first set twenty Twenty First Twenty First Twenty Four sixteen twenty and at six. Am and Plymouth Massachusetts. There it is. Can you see the chart coming up? Okay Yep and looks good all right. So this is When the pilgrims landed on at Plymouth Rock got interesting again emphasis on Sagittarius and Gemini. Which again we see in future charts bouquet and this one comes from Nick campion's book of World Horoscope. That's right that's right and was a major source for you in compiling of this. Because I know. Nick is done a lot of work. You buy that book it was. It's certainly not the only one but It definitely was important. Okay so when we're talking about some of these early charts when we're talking about like the landing of so the. The previous one was the first permanent settlement in America. This is the first group of Religious Group. That's coming over that ends up. Founding at which is very Notable later which is still talked about a lot so some of these are symbolically important in term of terms of like the founding of the colonies the centrally precisely. Yes okay go there. Shall we move on? Yeah all right so then the Boston Tea Party. Which again very important moment in American history and in the American conception of itself as rebellious and this is set for December sixteenth. Seventeen seventy three and this is also from campion who notes that. It has an unverified time of five forty five pm but that just comes from astrological sources rather than historic ones so. I'm not sure how reliable that time is from a historical perspective right because sometimes it's like there are time ranges that were noted in historical sources. But other times. We don't know the time we just know date and sometimes some astrologer will rectify it to some specific time for various miscellaneous reasons. That'll become the chart but we often don't know the actual time that's right. That's it tends to stick by. Lee May Not know how they got there? Sure okay so it's funny so the Boston Tea Party happened under a mercury retrograde conjuncture Mars at four degrees of Capricorn. Yes it's easy to cope headed somewhere. Yeah there's some some angry Boston or is throwing t in the hirings. Yeah sounds pretty good. All right slipped me I go okay so then after that we get to the first at Congress or the first meeting of of the back then still the colonists and this is set for September. Fifth Seventeen seventy four at ten am in Philadelphia. And this chart has Scorpio rising with the moon and the sun conjuncture in Virgo. So so at this point. We're getting to the the range of the the colonies. The thirteen colonies have been around for a while. And now there's growing tensions between the colonies and In England and the king and eventually it starts these tensions start leading towards towards war. Yes that's exactly right. Okay Sarah getting as you said in the range of of the American revolution. Yeah and so. This is the first Continental Congress. So this is when the first colonies for started to get together to initiate to initiate the rebellion. That's right okay. All Right Okay. So then and this. I can see how this could be interesting. As a moment. This is the start of the revolutionary war and it would be early on the day of April nineteenth. Seventeen seventy five. This would be the battle of Lexington and it's thought that the battle started around five. Am which would put areas on the ascendant with the sun there as well and the moon and Sagittarius okay so this was the first battle of the revolutionary war correct and Lexington is going to be your location. Oh right. I haven't changed location. I'm just doing approximate sort of chartier as we're going through this so it's late areas rising with the sun at twenty nine degrees of areas correct. Okay that's fine okay. So Revolutionary War starts but that's one of the things that's interesting just chronologically as as refreshing myself on all of my lake. American history on a one is that the war like the rebellion had already started before they actually made the declaration of Independence Mall that the declaration actually came like a year later exactly once. Tensions had already erupted into like actual battles taking place. Right you would. Almost they get should the either way but sometimes battles just happen said he went with? Yeah we'll we'll not was watching a documentary in preparation for this. That was the Thing that historian really emphasized was that up until this point it was like the Colonies having like a temporary like spat over taxes. Like other things like that. But then suddenly when They signed the Declaration of Independence and and produced that and sent it out. That was a real declaration that they were had a problem with the king in particular. And we're separating themselves from the king's Empire yes okay so this is the so looking right now at the start of the revolutionary war on April nineteenth seventeen seventy five and then a couple of months a few months after that there was an actual declaration of war inch Lyra correct and so congress declared war July six seventeen seventy five so interestingly almost exactly a year before though most commonly used date July fourth seventeen seventy six and this one was very heavily advocated by the astrologer Helen. Boyd who used an eleven? Am Chart so perhaps you want to pull that up. And I think there's some interesting comments that you made Chris in our outline about is the dike releasing if you wanted to talk to that a little bit so this is And what was the location for that again? He now. That's a good question. I think Philadelphia would be a refined. So it's it has a it's the leaper rising Rising charts read. Yes okay so I only. I'm only familiar with this chart because the guy who was in one of my recent podcast episodes Allan White was a big fan of this chart. in called it the word charter the declaration of war chart and He had a whole lecture on that that I'll see if I can find it some but one of the reasons that he tried to advocate for it or that. He argued for it from Hellenistic perspective. As he said if you did the dike releasing with this chart that There was a losing of the bond on level one which occurred around the time of the September eleventh attacks in two thousand one so normally level one loosing the bond isn't possible for humans because you can only have a losing the bond and level two or three or four because It would take too long longer than the duration of human life to have one on level one where the periods can last for decades before it moves all the way around the Zodiac. But for something like a country that's had Been around for a few centuries. You can actually have elusive. The bond theoretically is releasing can be applied to inception charts. In that way so anyways I never had any have any real like attachment necessarily but it was an interesting speculation that Allen always had and one of the reasons why he argued for this being a chart. That should be paid attention to. I'd be interested to know Chris and it doesn't sound like maybe you try to but I do wonder if the dike releasing can be applied to inception charts rather than just natal charts. Sounds like Allen had worked with it I'd be you know. Maybe there is some room for experimentation there. Yeah there's definitely room for experimentation. I mean I know you can use perfection. St Only thing with releasing is usually. It's better for long-term things and often times inception and elections contend to be first shorter-term things so that I haven't studied it in the same way that have studied like longer lives of individuals and it's also so much more dependent on having inexact birth time because the dike releasing based on the law. That if there's any questions running the birth time then it yes way often. It's almost not even worth it to try it. All and that's one of the issues often run into wanting to apply it to inception charts but not always having a very good like solid reliable time to work with for inception. So that makes sense thank you. That's that's quite interesting. Yes so this is so this is when we start getting into the realm though of some charts that have been advocated by. Let's say more astrologers are where specific astrologers like you said the astrologer Helen Boyd make an entire career? But she's partially known for having advocated this chart that's correct okay so we're getting into the realm of yes. Some astrologers heavily advocating for certain charts and sometimes making their career out of it or becoming well known for having advocated a specific church precisely. Yes so I think we're getting into July seventeen seventy six now so the the one that I think came from Gary Lawrenson is One of the ones he suggested as July first seventeen seventy six and this is set for seven. Oh eight PM. Which is probably the most specific time that I had so far. Seen on our list and this is the first. Yes majority vote for independence. Where nine of the delegates or nine of the colonies voted. Yes to voted. No and two abstained. Do you want to talk about how gary arrived or how historians have arrived at this very precise time of seven? Oh eight PM with Gary. He'd written a serious when I said when announced that you and I were researching this episode And he was referred to a spy. I think John's art mentioned that he was somebody that had researched this topic. Allott and he wrote a series of facebook posts for us. Re-outlined different research had done and into the different dates and what time ranges had good historical sourcing and he was often drawing on it. Sounds like first hand accounts of people like John Adams Or other people that were around at the time who sometimes noted when the Continental Congress started that day or when they broke for lunch or win they adjourned for the evening and other things like that which I think in some instances game gave him ranges of. Let's say an hour to that. It must have started at ten. Am But then it ended by twelve pm and then sometimes he's adjusted it to come up with a specific time So we don't always know necessarily specific time but sometimes we know ranges some of these dates due to I ten documentation at the time and that makes sense alright. So that's that's the July first chart right there. Yes so and just stork Lee so this is the second continental Congress. This is when they're starting to get together to make the declaration of independence to officially have the thirteen colonies announced that they're basically like separating from the king and separating from England and setting up a new country and this is the first vote that happened for that but one of the things. That's funny is That gary notes that Mercury was retrograde and they actually had to do a revote the very next day on July second at seems seems typical for mercury retrograde. Yeah so I I did mention though so this I guess Gary. Is this guy for whatever reason this is Gary preferred chart which is July for seventeen seventy six at seven to eight. Pm With Capricorn Rising Saturn exalted in Libra. The tentpole signed House Jupiter. The Sun and Mercury are over in the seven. Th House in cancer Venus has not quite moved into cancer. Yet it's at twenty nine degrees of Gemini along with Mars at Nineteen Gemini urine acid eight degrees of Gemini and Neptune at twenty two Virgo so one of the things that I noticed that was interesting about this chart and just about the timeframe in general that this would have been the day of full moon Right there in Capricorn. So this is like just after a full moon and we see the continental Congress getting together in issuing this very first vote which seems kind of notable just in it of itself. That's right and it's interesting is that it's a full moon very closely square saturn in libra. So there is this you know I can see how this could be a very powerful moment for breaking with an authority figure perhaps the king or however you want to characterize that Saturn and Lebron his exaltation and one of the things about this entire period and that will talk about eventually later may be is with this range of dates once you narrow it down if you are narrowing it down or if you choose to narrow down this timeframe in early July and go with one of those charts. They're certain commonalities that all of the charts are going to share in terms of sign placements of certain planets but one of the ones that I always thought was really cool about the founding of the United States. That's true no matter. What if you use any of the July charts? Is that the two classical outer planets Jupiter and Saturn or both located in their signs of exultation which has just really fascinating to me. Because that's a concept that had been around for hundreds and hundreds of years at that point all the way at least since the first century B C e but here. It just happened so happens that at the founding of this country Those two the two largest planets in the solar system happened to be in those two specific signs of the Zodiac with Saturn exalted in Libra and Jupiter Exalted in cancer. At that time yes I think this is one of the reasons not the only reason but I think it's one of the reasons some people say. Oh the founding fathers were actually astrology practicing freemasons who elected this chart because it just seems so perfect in many ways right. Yeah where they would have waited or something to do that which they probably didn't wait until this specific year in like hold off the entire revolutionary war and sounds like the war was already going by that point. Exactly that is probably a sub topic that we should address at some point which is some of the founding fathers were freemasons war involved in freemasonry questions surrounding twit extent. That played any role in things that happened with the founding of the country. Questions about in the late eighteenth century In the late in the seventeen seventy S. Let's say like how prominent was astrology. At that time were there practicing. Astrologers was strategy incorporated into freemasonry in any way. Or what is the plausibility of having anybody having used electrical astrology in any real sense during that timeframe? Yeah go ahead. I don't know the answer to those questions. But they're questions probably worth worth asking for. Sure it's sort of interesting and I I think nick campion. Who says a little bit about this in in his book of World Horoscopes where he says? Thomas Jefferson had of course an enormous collection of books and library of which three just three had to do with astrology. And then the thought was that if anybody would have known maybe how to cast a horoscope it probably would have been someone like Ben Franklin but then he didn't leave behind any astrological works other than a work where he denigrates astrology. So you know. The surface evidence isn't very strong that they were deep astrological practitioners or even believers for that matter. I mean Ben. Franklin is often mistakenly thought to have been an astrologer to advocate astrology. But that's because people will just see this little quote that goes around in like memes from Benjamin Franklin Lake Pro Astrology memes where it sounds really positive quote. But they don't realize that he's writing under the pseudonym of somebody he's mocking in that part of his thing was writing like satirical articles and he actually did mock like other actual astrologers are Almanac makers sometimes very strongly viciously. That's right needs it. Sarcasm tag and so yeah yeah. So that's a whole separate thing unto itself but don't be careful about sharing the pro astrology Benjamin Franklin means because they're not necessarily as positive as you might think at first glance of context. Yep Yeah out of context. Yeah all right we get back to the charts. Yeah okay so this is the first vote. But then what happens? So Gary Let us know and that mercury was retrograde some Mercury's at twenty five cancer on July first It looks like it only stationed retrograde. Three point five days earlier so it actually literally just stationed As the redoing all of this and then the next day they had to do some sort of revote right. That's that's exactly right if you want to share your screen and show that so that that second vote was July second seventy seven. Seventeen seventy six It seems like the time is uncertain but but Gary told us that it was between eleven. Am At noon and the reason they took the second vote was to accommodate Delaware because they had to abstain on the first vote. They were missing a delegate who didn't get there until July second so the second didn't really change things it just. It became more efficient because they had everyone present and that was twelve were voting for yes and one abstained and John. Adams gave an eleventh hour of the morning for the second vote July second. So I'm assuming that's Gary Source Speaking of John Adams I also want to share this sort of deeply historically ironic quote. He wrote to his wife about July second. He said this day will be the most memorable epoch in the history of America. I believe that it will be celebrated as the great anniversary and quote so it said clearly that is not when we let off fireworks that is not when we have our national celebration and I would venture to say. Most people aren't aware of the significance of July second unless they spent some time studying the American revolutionary history so despite John Adams belief in this as a deeply symbolic an important moment. It just doesn't seem to have captured the attention of the public. The way that July fourth did sure yeah So that's really important though because that means there are some astrologers that could make legitimate case that this is here we half like the personal writings of one of the founders of the country and he believed that this was the moment that the country truly began was when the Continental Congress issued this. Vote saying that we are going to set up our own separate country and we are now independent from From anything else exactly said that would be an interesting tried to experiment with certainly like. I said that's probably as close as we get to. Some of the original founding fathers writings on what they thought was a significant moment which I think has weight and value right. So it's interesting that in this chart Venus has switched over from its position the previous day at twenty nine Gemini at switched over to zero degrees of cancer and between eleven and twelve. A M between eleven am and PM on that day. The ascendant switched from Virgo Libra. So you've either got a virgo senator. You've got a libra sun and it looks like it's switched over at about a quarter after the hour so if it's let's say libra rising then you've got a libra rising chart with Saturn exalted in Libra in the first house and then Venus's up in cancer around the degree of the mid happened in the temple. Saint House possibly ninth quadrant house Along with the rest of the Planets Jupiter and the sun and Mercury and they're opposing the moon which is down in capper Coron At this time actually in a relatively close conjunction with Pluto the moon being at twenty four capricorn and Pluto. Being twenty seven right so starting to get interesting are okay. So this is the July second chart So that finally brings us right. I think that that's the final other one before July fourth. And then we finally come to the July fourth trump's. That's right the main event so July fourth. Now this is the day that the wording of the Declaration of Independence was was finally agreed hookah. So this is when they finally officially declared it they wrote the document and that's the document that everybody in the. Us like learns about in school and that much attention is paid towards in. This is the date that's usually treated as the birthday of the country. Exactly and I wonder if even before getting into the specific times it's worth talking about the prevalence of the Sagittarius Gemini risings Chart At least in the twentieth and twenty first centuries at an if he had some comments about that Chris because it does seem like those are the two signs that that seemed to have some pretty strong advocates. Yes so historically. There's been two charts two times to rising signs that have primarily been advocated by strangers Weirdly both of them have historical issues where they almost both could be there's arguments wherein neither one in varying could be historically possible if you try to go with the main sources or just with like what time of the night it was when that must have taken place so there's issues surrounding both of them but historically for the past century or so especially astrologers have usually come down in like one camp or another on this issue with either being a Gemini rising chart or such Torius rising Yes and I think that's quite fascinating so we'll just start chronologically. And could we start with these ably? I is because the story. That was the first absolutely okay. So the Sibley There's a lot of issues silly chart. The chart was the first instance of some astrological publication publishing like a birth chart the United States right. Yes so Evans. Or simply was a freemason living in England and he published. Hr for the United States in seventeen eighty seven and. It's thought that this is probably the first national chart boss you know in the West. At least that has been really used and published an advocated for so there is a it is important from a historical perspective in the history of astrology as well as what it signifies right so this is like ten years after the declaration of independence an astrologer using kind of a low point at this point like astrology is not super popular at this point in history in the UK. It had fallen out of favor towards the end of the seventeenth century in Europe and was in kind of a low point so even siblings publication of astrology text at that time was a little bit of like historical oddity in some sense or outlier. That's right I'll try to explain. Go through all the inconsistencies in the chart so forgive me if I get it wrong but there are just so many. I'll try to try to represent them accurately. Stop me if I don't have it so into heart was set for ten ten ten. Pm and ten minutes of London time but it was set for Philadelphia As the location and also the I think the the chart was actually calculated for nine fifty pm. So I think the the the chart said it was pretend n. p. m. but in fact it was calculated for nine fifty pm but then the planetary positions are actually set for four fifty PM in. London into the planets are set for local meantime and then the house cusps are set. For Greenwich Mean. Time which differed by one hour at that moment and so because of all these inconsistencies you know is it a chart in the. Us is is it a chart set in London. Where are the planets? It's it was criticized and has been as being kind of hopelessly confused because no matter where you set a real chart for whether it's Philadelphia or London You you wouldn't get exactly the same values for house cusps as well as for for planetary positions so yes. This is in the era like before computer programs so somebody's calculating this chart by hand ten years later they're focusing on July fourth day of the Declaration of Independence and they have a specific time picked but the location is set for London for some reason rather than the location being set for Philadelphia. That's right and maybe one of the sort of after the fact rationalizations or speculations is that you know they. This is still. They're still part of England by. That's an ideological position that the astrologer is taking. Or whatever else you know it's still sort of colony. So why would you set it for them? Wouldn't you just set for the capital of the of the mother country? Okay what what specific time should I set this four? Is it four fifty PM? Let's say hypothetically in Philadelphia or do we do even know what time we should set it. For for the Sibley trump what I've seen Think I've seen ten ten. Well that's ten PM for London. Let's say you're four fifty year. You're right I think you've got it. I've seen simply set four four fifty but also five ten PM. I'M NOT SURE. Which is the canonical. Sibley chart thing even exists I guess if he was setting for ten ten than let's say five ten from the switcher give twelve Sagittarius rising right which I think is the most common ascendant. I've seen for for simply. Oh yeah okay that may Adams because then that's the one where as we were talking about earlier before we got on the call before after nine eleven. A lot of astrologers saw Pluto Saturn opposition that was relatively close on September eleven than it was somewhere around these degrees and a number of astrologers took that to mean to be like conclusive proof for the Sibley chart after the fact. Yes that's right. I guess one comment on that was society. Cited and Pluto opposed each other three times out in two thousand or two thousand one and two thousand two and the opposition occurred the first two oppositions occurred at Twelve Gemini and Saj and the third one occurred at Sixteen Sagittarius or sixteen Gemin- Saj and that was in an early two thousand two But the thing. That's kind of confounding. Here that I think does not necessarily prove conclusively whether Sibley works or not is that this chart July fourth has Iran us at eight Gemini and it also has Mars at twenty one Gemini. And so you could also say that you know a those those planets just have been activated. You don't really know that angles were the ones kind of doing you know doing the heavy lifting as they were loop so let me show the chart to demonstrate restocking. Better figure out how to do this. let me enemy a by wheel with the Sibley chart actually no I can just do a by wheel with the September eleventh chart okay. So here's for the people watching the video version. My apologies to people in listening to the Audio version Sibley Chart has twelve degree ascendant and so it's like twelve twenty one. Let's say secretary is rising and on September Eleventh? Pluto was at twelve thirty eight Sagittarius and it was opposite to Saturn at fourteen. Forty five Gemini So that's basically it is a lot of astrologers were like Oh that must prove the Sibley chart when the attacks happened and then immediately after that people noticed that more sort of looking for answers but what what was the point that you're making about other transit's surrounding this right so as you notice that we don't just have the ascendant descendant in Gemini and Saj. We also have your honest and Gemini and Mars in Germany and so that opposition triggers them as well so you could technically be looking at a completely different ascendant. Descendant with those planets still being activated by that opposition right and you said the there was three oppositions that happened that year between Pluto insider in and they were a little bit earlier correct correct so you had ones in two thousand one Both of which were twelve degrees of their respective signs and then the last one in two thousand two was at sixteen degrees. So that would be well with an orb of Mars as well as your honest okay. or it Yes so and also even though sometimes obviously we have major events. We have to be a little bit careful about like looking for easy solutions as well and some of the I. I don't I can't help but filling like some of the just pluto hitting the ascendant stuff could be some of the over emphasis on Pluto which I think is important significant or but I don't think it's like the only significant and astrology that we should be paying attention to but maybe one piece The could be an argument. But they can't be like the only argument for the Sibley Jordan. That's right all right so let's go back to our. Is there anything else we need to say? About the Sibley chart that we haven't I mean did we give a general just overview of the placements especially for all the audio listeners. You know maybe you want to do that. I don't think we went through all of them exactly so that would be good. Yeah Gus so the Church has twelve degrees such a Torius rising What's interesting one of the things that's weird about? The silly charges that all the cancer. Stellian of Venus Jupiter The sun and Mercury is in the eighth house so for whatever reason that's all eighth how stuff the only angular planets At least by sign in the chart you have your Innis hanging out over by the descendant and depending on the exact degree. It's either in the sixth quadrant house or it's in the seventh whole sign house and you have Mars angular in the seventh whole sign house at twenty one degrees of Gemini. Let's see Saturn is exulted at fourteen degrees of libra as in the other charts for this time period either in the Eleventh Holstein House or the tenth quadrant House since the Mid Heaven is over at one degree of libra. Let's see and the Moon in. This chart is at twenty seven degrees of Aquarius. Pretty much all of the all the July fourth charts. Except if you get really late at night I think after ten pm all of the July Fourth Charts have the moon in Aquarius more in the later degrees of Aquarius. So that would be. That'd be the Sibley charred also Neptune in Virgo at twenty two degrees in the ten Poulsen House or the ninth quadrant house Yeah so that's the overview of the sibley chart. Are there any other things to say about that? Aside from its somewhat confused stork origins who've been the main proponents of this. That's a good question. I feel like it's had a number M certainly Dane Roger It was to me is probably the most famous one he rectified. It just a Smidgen and I can talk to that a little bit. Maybe now knows the right moment so he rectified it and he wrote an article in Zodiac magazine in. Nineteen seventy one so quite a while ago called the riddle of the USA horoscope and so he advocates. Or though I think actually I take it back. I think he's using July forty four seventeen seventy five I apologize. I thought that was it simply rectification but I feel like that's not quite right so I I won't talk more about that we can get to it later. Does it use such tears rising as it does go. I thought it was the same. It uses thirteen Sagittarius rising. Okay well yes. It's still sort of an argument for like a secretary is rising to chart. Got It So that's okay I do know that The happened a number of astrologers the divide vacated Sibley I feel. There was an uptick after September eleventh. That a lot of astrologers were really compelled or or founded persuasive Pluto argument about Pluto. Conjoining the ascendant of the Sibley charts on the The day of September eleventh is being persuasive partially because that was the primary signature that most astrologers focused on as being like the nine eleven signature was the Pluto Saturn opposition. And so if that's the main signature looking for then people were gravitating towards the chart that hit that the closest as being like be one. That's right that's right and of course not to get too far off track but rob handwriting very famous article for the mountains. Troger well in advance about the Saturn and Pluto opposition and so I think in some ways it had already been prefigured as maybe the key key configuration of that year. So as you say. People really focused on it to the exclusion of a lot of other factors ohka Yon When I think he was. He's one of the ones that I I remember saying that. That helped to confirm the Sibley charts. So maybe he is part of the reason. Why more astrologers were sort of compelled to take the Sibley chart more seriously after that point that's right whereas prior to that point and that may be be a nice segue into our other chart prior to that point historically. It seemed like there were more arguments and more astrologers had used the opposite literally the opposite chart which is the German I rising chart which also had a long history but also some kind of weird history and rationale behind it absolutely so the the Gemini rising chart was set around two fifteen. Am which is as far as we know completely a historic in the sense that there is no documentation that the founding fathers who were present at the Declaration of Independence meeting had anything other than a full night's sleep so we don't there's no reason to think they met that late or that anything significant happened at that time But the as far as we can trace it back the reason that this chart arose was look Broughton. If I'm saying his name correct correctly he was probably the best known. And certainly the most vocal US astrologer of of the mid nineteenth century in eighteen. Sixty one when he was doing a newsletter and astrological newsletter said that Gemini rules the US and the ingress of Uranus or Herschel as it was known back then into Yemen I was when the revolution began so for him. He you know the the ingress of Uranus into Gemini was very important and so when you're honest came to the nine degrees of Gemini the US declared its independence and he doesn't say it. As far as I know but he seems to have assumed that the degree of your honest on July fourth seventeen seventy six is the rising degree of the US Chart. And that's why we end up with two fifteen at chart. Okay yes it looks like the chart where the person tried to put it right on the degree of the ascendant. So A to fifteen the ascendance at like seven degrees of Gemini and your is at eight degrees of Germany correct correct and I think you know that you have to recognize right that Americans It does feed into kind of their their perception of themselves as as Mavericks as revolutionaries think there is a certain mythic. Appeal to having your rawness ads. You know kind of the Co significative or the planet that that inaugurates the start of the country. Yeah I was looking that up because that actually became then something that's become an important part of astrological Lore and how astrologers conceptualize the planet Uranus in general. Now a few centuries later is that Uranus was discovered on March thirteenth. Seventeen eighty one. So just a few years after the declaration of Independence and after the revolution and after America became an independent country broke from England and so as a result of that astrologers developed the doctrine that whenever new planet is discovered that whatever's going on in the world at the time often has Important symbolic meaning for whatever that planet is about. So that's one of the ways that you're in this came to be associated with things like revolutions. Yes I think. That's that's quite right. Okay so Eunice it's associated with Sort of the birth of the US. I mean one point. That's actually worth mentioning in favor of Luke. Broughton as he was one of the more is one of the most prominent astrologers of the nineteenth century of like the eighteen hundreds and he actually predicted. I believe the outbreak of the civil war based on The urines return the very first year. Ns Return which ended up coinciding with the outbreak of the Civil War of remembering correctly. Yes I think. That's right he He was publishing his newsletter. In the I don't know when he began but he definitely was publishing it in the early eighteen sixties and he seems to have predicted at a pretty accurately as you say on the basis of your honest returning to returning to Germany and and then weirdly as people have noted than almost a century later. That when you're in s again re returned back to Gemin- in the nineteen forties that was when the United States got involved in World War Two correct so historically there have been these super important turning points in. Us history both the civil war as well as world. War Two or America's involvement in World War Two during urine returns. Whenever you're in this returns back to the sign of gymnast for some reason. Yes I feel like you've had an episode about this on your podcast some years ago. I don't remember if it was nick and best. Maybe that was your guest at the time but might be worth mentioning. Yes Nick and best actually Rodeo whole book about that Stranglehold Urine S USA. And I interviewed him about that. In one of the first episodes of the PODCAST. I think it was episode eleven titled The Astrology of Urine The United States So people can go back and find that on the podcast website just by going to episodes and scrolling down episode eleven and then of course has interesting implications than for the future that all astrologers immediately then jumped to speculating and wondering about naturally which is were in the early phases of urine is going through. Torres right now which means in just a few years time later in this decade that just entered into urine s will again returned back to Gemini and at the question is if the pattern holds of. You know you're in US going back into Germany during the civil war uranus returning to Germany during World War Two. Will there be some sort of similar. Repeat of some sort of great conflagration or for war or something. When you're in this goes back through Gemini The third time yes. Let's hope not. Yeah let's not so far. This decades not shaping up so well is so far but we'll see how it goes. We're only a few months few months into it. That's right all right all right so Back to this or is there any other things we need to say about the Sibley chart as moved on from the signatures to anything else we need to say about the Jim Knight Rising Chart I do need dimension the House placements of this chart because which which is relatively easy. Because it's it's literally the exact opposite of all of the Sibley chart placements because we have the opposite rising sign so one thing that would be interesting and notable is that Uranus of course we've talked about being conduct the ascendant but then Mars would also be in the first house in this chart so we would be talking about a country that's like Germany rising with your Ns Mars in the first house. The Cancer Stellian moves down to the second whole sign House with Venus Jupiter The sun and Mercury there Up Tune in the fourth and Virgo Saturn in libra in the fifth. Whole Sign House and the moon is upping in Aquarius around eighteen degrees Conjunctiva amid heaven in the Ninth Hole Steinhaeuser tenth quadrant house So that's the difference is literally historic astrologers have historically champion two different charts that are literally the exact opposite from another But that can sometimes be kind of tricky comparing them if you were to try to compare each of them just because there can be overlap as a result of those oppositions due to the similarity that's right. Same polarity applies. Yeah Yeah so all right. Is there anything else about the chart? Just the the last thing is just the oddity of this chirping as popular as it is because it almost requires because it's set for two. Am some sort of weird Quasi-public conspiracy theory type explanation in order to work because there's no reason the continental congress was like meeting during the day. We have relatively good documentation of what hours or what time ranches. They were meeting and setting the exact chart for two fifteen. Am would require some sort of weird explanation To come up with justification for why this would be the singular kruk charred right secret side meeting our agreement or something like that occurring then and I. It's like it's been awhile since I've into superindent conspiracy theories and reading up on that stuff but I mean I think sometimes people will speculate or just put out wild speculations that because they were freemasons They must have been using astrology. And therefore they elected this chart or something like that That argument doesn't work out very well though because it's not a terribly good electrical charges. If that's your argument right now right you you have. Mars in the first house not With any essential dignity I think that would be a big no. No right there right. They've made like retrograded. Mercury the ruler of the ascend In the second house which is really terribly that useful. What else we've got the son like applying Saturn in a square in like a night chart. I mean you could maybe argue that somebody. If you wanted to have financial prosperity they put both of the ethics in the Second House. And maybe you could argue that but that's kind of weak election astrology thinking I feel like nonetheless Especially from you know people who would have been practicing a fairly traditional form of astrology. If they weren't really practicing the ALEC. We'd have to go back to lily type rules if anything would be in circulation that during this time about a century after the death of Lily But yeah it it it just. It seems more like a chart where somebody who is trying to emphasize urine as as Luke Broughton did and so they picked the chart that had urine s right on the ascendant and said this must be the charred In the absence of some insider information I did get an offer wants Robert. Zoellick joined the freemasons but I never took him up on that so sometimes regret that because then I can't I can't say conclusively answer. This question of perhaps there is some secret knowledge of this. Actually being the chart would be really cool but Absent that just from historical perspective. We probably have to discount this in less. Some huge discovery comes out at some point. That's right so if somebody wants to invite Chris so he can access the secret archives. I think I think he's open to that invitation I have to admit that will probably blob about at all over the podcast. So I'm probably not a hand. Gun are eight or so. Let's move on to a broader discussion. So those are the two main charts historically but both of them have historical issues just unto themselves. So let's talk more about some of the time ranges that we do know about that were available on July fourth. When the Continental Congress was meeting and what charts those would actually resulted. Hypothetically that's right so Gary Lawrenson pointed out to us that the declaration was brought to the floor at ten am July fourth. But according to John Adams they didn't start the vote to approve the language as edited until the eleventh hour of the morning. So they went through the document and the motion was made some time between eleven and noon. Okay so it looks like the ascendant. If I'm calculating all of this correctly with solar fire and using the enemy shirt feature it looks like the ascendant moves into libra. Pretty quickly after eleven. Am that morning so that by eleven o eight am. It's firmly in zero degrees of libra and will stay there for the next couple of hours. So you said Gary said that they they brought it up for approval then approved at some time between eleven and twelve so so that time range would firmly than probably give some sort of labor rising with again with Saturn in libra in the in the first house or in the ascendant right And then also with the ruler of the ascendant being Venus in the Tenth House or depending on what time specifically setting at four and depending on what how system but at least cancer Stellian all moves up to the tenth one of the things. That's interesting about this just in terms of the 'cause this is one of the first times recently wizard researching this that even looked at this chart but it's interesting that even in this chart that Saturn Pluto opposition during nine eleven moves to the third house nine thousand access and becomes almost more of like a ninth house problem because it's activating the difficult nine hours placements of Mars urine s In this chart on nine eleven if that was sort of what was going on or if this was the route chart that those transits were referring back to net. That's actually a really good point Chris Yeah of course we. We should probably think back to other major events. You know that we've seen as a country right but but you're absolutely right. Also one of the issues in terms of when astrologers talk when we note that the urine is return has coincided with a major war each time I mean Nataly just the fact that Mars is there in the same sign in Gemini with your s Means that the the birth chart no matter. What if we're using an early July or early July seventeen? Seventy six birth chart is going to have that that margarine his Co. presence or that wide conjunction no matter what which is kind of a you know a problematic or a tense or even warlike type energy and of itself if it gets activated so that that in itself could be the problem no matter how prominent or not prominent UNIS's on the Chart Nataly. That's a great point absolutely sure. Okay so Is there yeah okay. So so so. Gary said that the Continental Congress they opened up at ten am the began having the debates about it and then they finally approved the declaration of Independence. Sometime between eleven and noon. That's correct okay. So then at that point at noon they like broke for lunch. They broke for lunch and they came back I believe in the early afternoon. Okay so at noon. The ascendance at like twelve libra by one PM. The ascendant Around twenty four libra and then eventually by it looks like around one. Thirty one thirty one. Forty the ascendant moved into Scorpio. The and I should point out at this point. That Jefferson's account of the day precludes a time before noon. So He's focused on the afternoon or you know like late afternoon so if you do set it obviously for before noon you know we are going against some of the documented evidence from an eyewitness said before noon for for what so the gun if you if you said it before noon. We'd you really would set it for ten to eleven. Am So this is discussed at some length. In a recent book called American history by Ronald W howland and said this is something that's Treated at length in his book and it gives him Virgo ascendant. But the point I'm making. Is that taking that that mid morning time would would go against the the written accounts at least of Jefferson's because Jefferson says says what Jefferson says that it was ratified in the late afternoon hookah. So what happened in the morning got together and debated a but the and before they broke for lunch. What did they do so before they? So Gary I think says that The motion the motion to approve or motion to ratify was made before eleven and noon. Okay so they made the motion to ratify before they broke for lunch. So that's the either late virgo or early. Lieber rising chart that's right and then so you're saying that this Guy Ronald Howland in his book. American history says that. You're saying that some astrologers dispute. Jefferson's account debate right because Jefferson is saying that the debate went on. You know through the morning and so- ratification couldn't have occurred before noon according to Jefferson. Okay so our primary sources than are conflicting because Who Adams's saying that they ratified it between eleven and twelve in the morning probably and Jefferson saying there was further debates. That happened after they they Kim back. That's right well. And then there's a third conflict. Based on John hancocks recollection of the declaration coming out of Committee Mark Penfield highlights that. Twenty though I don't know if that's rectified. Time or you know where where he gets time exactly. I don't the Penfield. There were some issues with him. In the Hillary Clinton birth time during something election a few years ago into any sixteen that were not very good similar nervous about adopting some of his times too strongly based on that but that seems relevant if we have conflicting historical sources or primary sources than who. Were there at the time who were a reporting different things about when the process was finished or concluded exactly so I think probably it would be worthwhile for any astrologers before making their final decision as to which Charles appropriate is to try to look at some of these primary sources and draw their own conclusions as to what they feel is the most plausible sure But at least this is helping us to narrow down some time ranges where we know the continental Congress got together by like eleven am so by Virgo rising. Let's say and a lot of stuff happens even into Lieber rising before they broke for lunch then they come back and eventually what happens. They eventually approve the document sometime earlier in the afternoon. Yes that's right and so at some point we get to the Scorpio. Rising chart closed this and restart just to make sure I have the correct time because sometimes solar fire can get weird when you're animating it for too long In is this the the Scorpio rising chart because that's one there was somebody published a book at one point arguing for like a Scorpio rising chart for the United States. And I wasn't sure if that was this. If they're using July fourth but just with Scorpio rising. That was a different day. Yeah I'm not sure the book you mean. But this was one of the ones that penfield highlighted So that goes between like to almost four in the afternoon that day Basically the Senate was in Scorpio. That's right and again it would be hard to elect that I think given the Ascendant being in the eighth house which is rather inauspicious for the birth of anything that you want to survive sure Yeah if they were trying to deliberately versus just you know it happened Lou people getting together doing whatever whenever it's going to happen. What happened at this point historically in the afternoon so at this point they are getting ready and they do eventually send it out to the printer to be actually published right Yeah that's exactly correct. Okay and when they do this the there's something about like a five hour timeframe where it takes them like five hours to get typeset before eventually comes back or something that day right right and so when it comes back. That's when they get back their fair copy that they're all happy with That's when the ratification and signature process begins ended at happen that afternoon or the evening. Then yes so the the predominant amount of of contemporary evidence from people who were there including Thomas Jefferson seem to support? Maybe a late afternoon. Time although. I don't know that we have a specific time when this happened. Then it was sometime in the late afternoon which you know we could end up at four or five or perhaps even six PM depending on what you consider afternoon so it looks like we start getting into like a secretary is rising chart again then between four ten pm if it was any time between four ten PM and like six thirty. It looks like then we've got a secretary rising chart and then eventually which is within essentially be the same as the Sibley charge In eventually by looks like around six thirty two p m the ascendant moves into Capricorn for the next couple of hours all the way until about eight thirty PM and sunset occurs around this time around seven thirty so we're definitely getting leader in the evening at this point into the night. That's correct okay. So all of this is just taking the same planetary positions and like switching them around to different houses and it's moving that Stellian of four planets and cancer One of the things. That's interesting is the moon stays in the same sign. It's days and Aquarius for the entire day until late. That night After nine thirty or about it looks like about nine fifty two PM. The moon switched from Aquarius and moved into Pisces But otherwise for the entirety of that day. The Moon is an aquarius no matter what and all of the other planetary positions of course that day of course also stay in the same signs so this really just becomes a matter of what houses are the planets placed in and what is the specific rising sign and degree of the ascendant and mid heaven in the birth chart of the US. Exactly got okay. Well at the very least that narrows things down because unless they stayed up until like at eleven thirty or midnight it's not gonna be like an areas rising chart Obviously we have some arguments about whether people taking the rising shirt seriously also late at night but if you just took those historical accounts in two into consideration like you just explained in terms of when they actually met up to sign the document or published it or got the document back and started distributing it. Were we're talking about a specific range of ours and in a relatively small range of rising signs? That's right so you could at least narrow it down and it is interesting that even if you if you go pretty late you can still have the angles said is the emcee and the ICS Terrace and such Harrison Gemini right so those do become important just not as the rising sign. Right Right Yeah. All right So what happens after that so they basically except the document everything happens on July fourth? But then there's other charts bs July eight seventeen seventy six and set for noon in Philadelphia and this chart has libra rising. What happened then. Was that the The declaration of Independence was publicly. Read out and proclaimed at that time in the in the main square So this is the official public reading of the declaration followed by big celebrations. Okay go ahead. So this is when the declaration goes goes public or because that's that's the big release and the beginning of the celebrations. I think Gary were saying he uses twelve twenty eight PM t again. I don't know why that specific time if that's a rectification or if he has other reasons to choose that but I think that's something. But he's he's timed fuses. What was the timing at twelve twenty eight? Pm on July eighth MOCHA instead that pilots Saturn on the ascendant or close to it. Sure so the Senate would be a nineteen libra and Saturday would be fourteen. Libra and mercury would be conducted the degree of the Mid Heaven twenty two Gemini. It's funny that no matter. What in this period of early July of seventeen seventy six that. You've gotta mercury retrograde happening the matter what's what's kind of a funny little thing about the birth birth of the United States that's appropriate birth range. Yes maybe that has something to do. With the fact that they had their declaration after the war started and was well underway rather than as a first step that later kicked off the war right. That's a good point or even the fact later it's kind of a ironic than the American astrologers would later like really publicize the idea of like mercury retrograde being a big deal whereas Walis taken into account perhaps in early election lower. It wasn't given the degree of emphasis that it it later would in recent times. That's right the founding fathers made mercury retrograde happened. It's the first memes Alright so is that is that it can we? Is that enough charts or are there more charts after that? And that's all we've got an like that certainly plenty Sam. Okay so there are different variations. You mentioned somebody Charts a German work. That you've studied. They did yeah so this I just wanted to mention it so when I was reading the campaigns work. He said that the the first book he was aware of that dealt with national charts was Charles. Carter's nineteen fifty one book called introduction to political astrology and that might be true English but actually national charts were used well before then and other languages the one that I am aware of personally and it certainly doesn't mean as the first one but it's just when I know was It's a book called oil best Meaning the future of Europe and was written in German by a very prominent astrologer of the first half of the twentieth century called A. M. Grim And Alfred Max grim this is published in eighteen. Twenty five in Germany. It's a book I have and it's a really interesting book very bold. It uses timed national charts for a number of countries not just Europe by including the US to make detailed predictions for European Andy in a US countries for the following fifty years so he literally goes like year-by-year and he tells you what he thinks will happen and so the US chart that he gives set for July fourth seventeen seventy six for noon and with no source. I don't think he gives sources for I WANNA say with any of his Any of his cards maybe for the German ones. He explained some of the history but it could be he just wanted to sidestep some of the confusion around the timing and just used a noon chart so I wrote Yeah go ahead. Usually when Estrada's use the chart that's the universal like we don't have a time I don't know exactly and I just wanted to mention for people who are interested in that in that source. Am I wrote an article for the mountain? Astrologer about at Andy Partial translation of the book. it was in the December. Twenty seventeen issue okay. Cool and let's see other sources. The book of World Horoscopes. is very useful for this. Because he has a lot of documentation not just about the US chart but also about other charts around the world for different countries and cities. Exactly and I think it's probably worth worth mentioning there. Is that Nick campion. Ed States in his introduction and I repeatedly that in his view a even chart that's historically impossible or inaccurate can work that is it can be used accurately for prediction or give nation and that would include the Gemini Rising Chart which I think he sets seventeen. Am because so many astrologers believe in it and that alone can make it a valid divinatory tool so obviously people can vary on that particular view. But he does. He does take that point. And that's how he squares circle of how could you have it to fifteen or thereabouts chart. Am that seems to work. Okay yeah I mean that's an argument that you could make WHO's different arguments? You could make their four against that. And that's something structures have been wrestling with for the past few decades especially in the aftermath. Especially if different arguments like Jeffrey Cornelius argument about astrology as divination and he had an example. Like that where some scientists used a random charton an article and then he argued that the chart actually perfectly matched what they were using it for versus other astrologers might say no there is like objective validity to astrology and the true chart in itself should work like. I Remember Rob Hand for example saying. I don't remember if he was responding to Jeffrey Cornelius directly. But he said he's never had an instance where a chance to fight or he rectified a chart rectified chart or the trench true. Ch- time worked better than time that had been used previously. Maybe I'm saying that the reverse. He always felt that once. A true time had come out or become clear that that always more clearly matched whatever. The presumed chart been up to that point so that his argument was that the objective true time was always more valid in every instance that he had seen versus just the presumed chart no matter what level of belief people had up to that point And I I tend to be more on that side as well in thinking that there's some objective validity to astrology or astrology regardless of whether we're aware of it even if there is also some divinatory component that shows up the most readily in like Hariri for example. I think that's right. I mean you know the problem is if you go too far down that line as wide as you know what does any chart matter then right. As long as you believe in it any chart could could be used. And I'm not sure that's really what what this is about. Yeah will in. The end up becomes an issue also because then campion. I don't know if camping still believes astrologist. Like an illegitimate objective phenomenon that occurs out there and so that feeds into why he might think that or the direction that his thinking ended up going in not being a practicing astrologer for several decades. But just doing it as a hobby so we have to be careful as well in terms of adopting some of those details and just understand the context of where the person's coming from in terms of theory even belief in astrology is a phenomenon All right so we're are we at. We've introduced all of the main charts at this point and given people a lot of stuff to work with once you actually have a chart though or one of the questions is what can you do. Once you find chart or what are some of the things that you would apply the chart to in order to test it or see if it's accurate. Obviously a lot of this ends up focusing on just like we've been doing looking at the birth chart and then trying to look at the house placements and then see how that might symbolically match with or connect with things that have been happened in the history of the country. But there's other cool stuff that you would also do that. We've alluded to or mentioned a few times in terms of even just timing techniques like applying transits to the birth chart of the United States such as for example that Uranus Return. We mentioned every eighty four years when it comes back to Germany. I during the civil war or World War Two Or even that Saturn Pluto conjunction that we mentioned or opposition during nine eleven But there's also things like secondary progressions like I know. Some astrologers will do secondary progressions to the birth chart of the US and that can sometimes show interesting things right. Yes absolutely so as I mentioned earlier so Dana. Roger did a a kind of rectification for July fourth seventeen seventy five and the chart that he or the time he ended up with was five thirteen PM and fifty five seconds eastern standard time. Which is interesting. I don't know why he would use. Es Tea but I believe that's what he had in the chart. Standard Time was not yet a thing back then. It was time but you do end up with thirteen rising. And he says that the most significant feature was the arc between the mid heaven and Saturn. I believe it's fourteen degrees which corresponds to the period of twelve years and several months separating the declaration from the time the Constitution went into force March fourth. Seventeen eighty nine and you know because he was very focused on on psychological astrology. He cautioned that this chart should not be used for predictions because its main focus is to actually describe the consciousness of the American people and he predicted nineteen seventy two and nineteen seventy-three as a change or culmination in the US state of consciousness based on Pluto's conjunction to the mid heaven of the chart that that he developed an previously. You know this. He also looked at wars. That were indicated that when they were transits by Pluto two angles of of his chart. Okay and if he's talking about the declaration there then may be. Are you sure this is not a typo seventeen? Seventeen eighteen seventy six. I only to confirm so because all right. Fred that confusion. But yeah okay. Yeah so that just means Probably used a modified Sibley char rectifying Sibley. Yeah yes so. That would then make sense of wise supllies become. It's if people like Broughton Luke broaden who was famous astrologer in the eighteen hundreds and he was using the Gemini Rising Chart. You have a president for why maybe a lot of astrologers using that up to that point but then Rajar Was such a prolific author. Has To be one of the most prolific and influential authors of the twentieth century. Starting in the nineteen thirties and writing books all the way through the nineteen eighty s and then when all the fluid Leo astrologers came in the field and like the nineteen sixties and Seventies. They got really into radar so him writing an article that probably would have been very persuasive on that generation of strangers From in like the second the last the fourth quarter of the twentieth century. Yeah I could see. That's how am as you say that that thirteen or they're about Sagittarius Charlie enters consciousness. If he says it. So I'm sure. Yeah so and that would be so even though there's objective issues with the Sibley chart because historically like it set for London and has all sorts of weird stuff going on with it The A secretary is rising. Chart certainly was plausible that day. Depending on what you want to focus on because that was one of the Times that came up in the in the afternoon basically Ryan exactly that we have I witness accounts of some okay. And what was the exact degree that the reviews thirteen thirteen Sagittarius? Yeah okay so that would be there. You go around. And he said five thirteen fifty five. You could round up to five fourteen. Okay there you go there it is. It's the mid heaven at like two libra. Okay so that would be. That would have to be later. That'd be like after they get the document back. Maybe from the printers that's right. That's versus when they earlier in the day when they all voted to the finished like the final changes everybody votes to accept it and that being the official thing versus when they've they officially send it off and everything else so as with most things. Any election astrologer will tell you what you run into really quickly with election astrologists that the problem is that for most important events. It's not like a singular specific moment but instead it's like a series of important moments during a process of of starting some things that sometimes you do run into a question of what is the most important moment that you should use and that's not not always very clear. Yeah that that's exactly right okay So that being said you could do things like if for example you did use July fourth chart. Most the planetary positions in the degrees of the planets are going to be the same the entire day. So most of the transit's that you could run to that chart would largely be the same in terms of at least to the degrees of those planets. And you can also do. Things like secondary progressions which would largely be the same on that day No matter what I think right. That's right as long as it's planet to planet you're not using angles as progressed or progressing. Yeah so there's another. Yeah there's A. There's another a very extensive rectification that was done fairly recently in two thousand nine so the Sudan is author Dr H also You Know He. He's known is regular astrology. This one really interested me just as a traditional astrologer here's the medieval technique of directing through the bounds and based on key events in US history he rectified or modified the simply chart to arrive at a chronology of the United States that he felt matched the symbolism of the bounds so as the different planets and angles progressed through bounds. Ruled by different planets at different eras in different trends arose and ended in American history. He wrote a whole book about this called. America is born and when it came out I interviewed him reviewed the book on my blog at Griffin astrology dot com so he arrived at a twenty-six Sagittarius ascended. So it's diligently fourth chart but this is somewhat later than Sibley and it has twenty six sage rising okay. So here's The tro twenty six satirizing and the mid heaven at eighteen degrees of libra correct. Think actually helped him to edit that book back in two thousand eight two thousand nine And because I tend to be more skeptical of things like this because I know how many different chart options there are also how sometimes you can have false positives where something can look correct or you can get timing hits but it's because another chart that has similar angles could also be getting hit in a slightly different way by the same placements. I never committed to I don't know if this is correct chart or anything like that. I will say however though in his favor in favor of Dr h that before the two thousand eight election before Obama's birth certificate was published and his birth time became common knowledge doctor. I was always impressed by Dr. H that he was the only astrologer knew who had correctly. Rectified Obama's ascendant To Be Aquarius rising and he didn't get the exact degree correct. Necessarily if the birth certificate time is correct but he did get the rising sign correct and then when the Pacific and actually came out that was verified. In his he was one of the strategies. I knew who did that. Song was pretty impressive as terms of a track record hit on his part. Yeah I think that's right. I mean one of the things that can be said for this book again. You know rectifications at the end of the day are just hypotheses. Bright but I think just the fact that he took so many events and trends into account in creating a rectification I think is really good because sometimes what we see with any rectification as that the astrologer might just take you know five events or ten events or fifteen events you know look best biscuits scenario. Let's be honest hosts astrologists rectifications on the chart of the? Us are like hot. Takes based on like one placeman the the Saturn Pluto thing we mentioned like some other singular thing versus. Yes something like this where he took a hundred points. Yeah precisely so whether you agree or disagree. I think we can say at least to my knowledge is probably the most rigorous rectification. That's been done at least publicly that I know of so that I think that that does speak highly of his process. Sure definitely yeah Cool and there's tons of other books on this I can. We didn't even collect together all the ones that we possibly could have. I know there's different. Astrologers that advocate like the Scorpio rising chart and lots of other different variations during the course of the day Like we said earlier Gary Lawrenson. He prefers January first charter or the July first chart I believe and you could probably make a list of hundreds of other different ones. Have been advocated by astrologers over the years. Exactly d you have preferred Chart Christopher or do you prefer not to not to taint the the discussion with your favorite. I mean I don't at this point when I got into astrology. I got in through conspiracy theories in like new age literature and the books that I was really into for some reason. Really heavily advocated the Gemini Rising Chart and their argument was always that the country somehow Had the stamp of Gemini because it's has great Peretti's of like Greg like cold in the north and hot on in the south and then as different twin cities on the east coast and West Coast and it had this idea of polarities or almost this. Like sibling factor being prominent Recurring archetypal theme in the country. And I always thought that that was interesting. I used to think that was much more plausible or like compelling as a narrative or os an argument for that specific chart but at this point in time like I don't as much just because of how much historical stretch it would have had to have been in order for that to take place at like two o'clock in the morning and then it would have required some heavy like secret society type thing happening at that point which while I can't say that that's completely outside of the realm of possibility. It's probably not necessary to go that far when you know relatively good documentation of like a group of people getting together in doing this and often history is less complicated than we. We want to make it like often. Things are much more straightforward. That's right that's right comes as yet. Yeah so that has left me more with the sense of just not having any idea and being open to different possibilities keeping vague awareness of different planetary placements where we know that certain signs that the planets are placed in certain signs in early July. No matter what like you're in Essen Germany is so we know what some of the long term cycles are going to be like the return coming up later in this decade or Lake Pluto returned. That's happening right now since Pluto was at a twenty seven degrees of Capricorn in early. July of seventeen seventy six. So we know it's getting back to that point now is it's getting closer and closer to leak hamper corn but otherwise don't or haven't settled on a specific chart although that's partially because he never tried to research it enough to like firmly come to some conclusion. Do you have a preferred short. You know for a long time. I used the I used the the twenty six sagittarius one proposed by Dr h just because I felt like there was some rigor there and some background. But you know in my work. I tend to use planetary like the solar ingress is more lou nations things like that so I actually don't rely on national charts that heavily certainly once where there is doubt like here. I just feel that there are other tools that we can use. Yeah I think that's really important also for from Indian astrology and stuff that when it is it's really important lesson. I think it's something we learned a lot. In the past few presidential elections even where if there is uncertainty about the chart that you're using the near really upping the chances of mistakes happening if you try to base your predictions on that chart because it's not even be the Char- you could be working with the wrong chart and therefore come to the wrong conclusions And so that becomes a lot more dangerous if you put too much emphasis on a singular chart and so that's always created a Tension with me between on the one hand I admire sometimes people who do a ton of research and and and pick up these pet projects and astrology where I've seen these different areas where astrology astrologers will pick up a pet project and then try to specialize in that and go on this quest to find the correct chart and astrologers have been doing that for centuries like I with the birth chart for Jesus and astrologers have had been careers about that or I think like Cardin or somebody was thrown in jail for that right. I believe so yes. That's that's a whole another episode actually at night. Yeah that is one. We're going to do He was in charge for publishing rectification of the speculative birth chart. Jesus there's been other astrologers more recently that if made entire careers out of that or or finding the date of the age of Aquarius or or here like finding the birth chart of the US on the one hand. I have some degree of respect for people that decide to not just do something in passing but seriously try to research any subject and become experts on it and then try to render a verdict. And there's something respectable on that level but then there's another part of me that also sometimes I feel like people can become obsessed with trying to find a true singular thing when ultimately something is not completely unknowable. But it's so mercury and hard to ever confirm where you're never going to have complete one hundred percent sureness about something that it's a little bit hard to put too much emphasis on something or to build your entire career round it when you're never gonna be able to fully validated in the way that you might like and that sometimes gives me pause from ever wanting to go too far in that direction with any one of those products. Yes that makes a lot of sense. I mean I think the the the odds of a true birth certificate of the American chart ever coming out is like zero's so right you'll never devali dated are proven wrong. I guess so that's bonus but that's It's such a tricky thing or a double edged sword for that. But that was their goal in. That was the way that we wanted to. I think structure this episode because we are both somewhat on the same page about that and wanted to both give people an overview of you know. Here's the situation here. A bunch of different charts that have been used in the reasons why different people have used them. Here's the different ranges that are plausible on certain dates like July fourth. That you have to choose from But also you know. We don't fully know what the answer is in these. Are the problems that you're going to run into if you decide to engage with this as a research project So it's up to the individual listener. What they do with that information or where they WANNA go from there. Now that we've just sort of provided the overview of this introduction to the problem. Exactly cool all right. Well I think that brings us to the end of this episode. Then let me glance at my notes. If there's anything I forgot to mention we mentioned nine. Eleven freemasons and conspiracy theories Both Outer Planets Classic Louder Planets being in their expectations which is really interesting in seventeen. Seventy six Another side thing. As the inauguration chart as actually stayed fixed for the past several decades has alternate interesting thing that you can focus on that also ties in with the US chart in somewhat weird ways Because we know that the inaugurations always GonNa take place on a specific date at a specific time in Washington. Dc At this point. Yeah I actually have a comment about the inauguration and I don't I don't want this Ted Damn turn into whole thing but You know according to the Constitution The elected person becomes president at midnight. So you can have your inauguration at any time but I my argument and that might be. My legal background is that you actually become president. Whether you have an inauguration or not just it's it's illegal act so you know that's the other reason I tend not to rely too much on inauguration charts but interesting something to think about. Yeah that's a good point. Well maybe you. John Quickly didn't need to move regularly. Reagan's inauguration four minutes in light of the fact that he would have become president. Whenever the year I inaugurations occurred would have become president at midnight. It's super plus when also even just moving like four minutes in the results is funny because she didn't couldn't move at that much which I tried to do what what she could. But maybe they're in also goes to the conspiracy theorists for whatever it's worth Not that I wanNA promote conspiracy theories especially lately when there's so much craziness being promoted recently out there but there wasn't astrologer in the White House for like eight years off and on who did occasionally elect things or try to move dates and times for astrological reasons and that was something that didn't come out to later and was denied like thoroughly. And even to this day they're still nebulous about where the the Reagan administrations like the way that they approached it was by blaming his wife by blaming Nancy. And it was Nancy's crazy addiction to pseudoscience and that Reagan was humoring. His wife which was a total lie yet. Still in most documented sources. Like what they'll say to this day so You know who who knows how far if that's come come up in other instances and just never became public knowledge We'll never know in. Its little pointless to speculate as a result of that but Who's to say that's right and by the way you had an episode about Joan quickly to I remember what number it was but it's been a few years so people interested in that that's a whole another rabbit hole. They can they can pursue those episodes sixty one of my favorite episodes and the podcast history because I researched it for a while around that time and it ended up coming out relatively well as specific narrative and just everything we know about what happened on the train. It's a it's a memorable and I would recommend it to people haven't heard it definitely thank you are it's Well I think that's it for this episode. So what have you been? It's been a few months to the William Lilly episode with me last fall. Which is a major episode. Would've been working on since then or what you have coming up. Yes so a few things So I'm still publishing my magical elections E-book every month and it's basically a compilation of election all dates and times but with the magical purpose in mind and so it contains not just you know when when the moment of of making a talisman or having a magical ritual is but also it's the moment you know it has background information for what's appropriate planetary magic. What are some of the things that you might need? It aims to kind of help people get into astrological magic as practiced in medieval and renaissance era Europe and the Middle East. That's great accompanying. It meant for anybody that was interested in the united with Christopher warnock a few months ago on the picket tricks. Because you're taking some of the magical elections and rules straight out of of documents or at least taking inspiration from things like the pick a tricks and then finding good elections each month for making talismans and other things like that. Exactly and it's it's pretty different. I would say than Than I think what you guys do with the with the auspicious elections because with magically elections just to kind of distinguish it. You know you have other tools. That don't always apply right. You're looking at things like decorations and fixed stars and you know things like that. Don't usually fall into electing for a moment or time. And so that's just more to tell people what that's like and the other thing. I've been working on his started making videos on my youtube channel and I have a patriots if you just go to patriarch dot com slash Nina Griffin. You can support my work and these are videos on astrology and magic and astrological magic. So hopefully you can find them on Youtube. Youtube dot com slash Nina Griffin and. Get get educated. I talk about Gr transits and astrology magic. All of the above definitely I love that you're doing more videos now and you did a great video Not Too long ago with Ryan Butler on fixed stars is really good. Yeah thank you Cool so people can check that out. And what's your main website? Url It's Nina Griffin Dot Com. Got It and then you're also active on twitter and instagram nets right twitter instagram facebook. And if you just type in neograph and you should be able to find me. Brilliant are it Really quickly like your mention of the magical elections that reminded me of another historical anecdote about The guy that you had when he died he was found with a talisman who had five founded Yeah Joseph Smith like yeah he was killed by a mob and they found a Jupiter Talisman that was from like straight from ripa. One of the earlier magical works right. That's right I forget was it. A grip are key of Solomon. I don't recall which was but it's a it's like a seal and so the image is something that occurs quite frequently and you know in particular. Remar so you know. Did He make it? Did he buy it? We don't really know but somebody was a was at least a consumer of planetary magic not a practitioner. Sure and he died in eighteen forty four. He was born in eighteen five. So this is like a few decades after the founding of the US so again circles around that question that tension. I have. Maybe it's my tension is a Scorpio between skepticism versus. What was the secret history of the United States? And when are magical or occult or Divinatory Things? What roles have those played if any in? Us history different points. We see you know pieces of that occasionally with things like Reagan and having an astrologer in the White House or Joseph Smith founding a religion and having a a magical a- Jupiter Talisman or what have you on him at the time But in some instances we will never know so It's it's almost too bad on some level because I'm sure there's a lot of interesting stuff will never find out that's right. I mean a lot of this would not have been documented in the official documents that come down to us right. So it's a secret history. Jefferson doesn't have a page as libraries o'clock in the morning we all got together and the secret cabal convened. Yes right and exactly at two ten in the morning. When gem was rising nearness which wasn't discovered that was on the Sunday that was when we actually started because clearly they were you know they had that survey okay. You're okay hurry will thank you so much for doing this episode like I said at the top of this you put in pretty much all the research into this episodes. I really appreciate it and people should thank you for This overview just because Yeah I don't think I've seen like a singular take on the birth chart of the United States like this so I appreciate you putting it together and I think it'll be helpful going forward not just for future research into this topic if People WanNa get into all suggest as we're talking about world events these days and all the crazy stuff that's going on and trying to Get some larger meaning of it when looking to things even like national tour of the United States and what the future of the country looks like As we move forward that's right just in time for the US election folks so bogut yes That will be fun that what follow up on that. Let's see what happens over the next few months Cool ALRIGHT WELL. People should check out your website. Nina Griffin DOT COM correct. Yeah thank you Chris Specific Pleasure. 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"Hello. It is Thursday June eighteenth. Already. Damn. Can't thank you enough for choosing listening to this show delayed is a packed show. Think you're going to be like DAMN That show is inside for that is how you feel after listening this, feel free to telephone, and if you don't draw, the show, exactly could never ever fuck in happened. As JAG this world map. Pat, tweet me a picture where you're listening to this. We're putting together something special for the recording team. I appreciate all of you. You're the absolute best. Let's get to. The NBA has given out. It's four hundred page guideline for how the Bio Dome will be working down in Orlando and after talking to Tony Meola just last week. American soccer right on what the MLS players are being tasked with doing whenever they're playing in their bio dome down in Orlando Starting July eighth verse what the NBA players are doing two very different operations. Operations which would make people believe once again Adam Silver, best commissioner, going what everybody say now there's GonNa be some drawbacks, obviously, because there's a lot of things going on in our world and people have heard Kyrie irving talk about his drawbacks and concerns, in Avery, Bradley of the players coalition his drawbacks in his concerns, but then there's also a lot of players. Players in Oji players that have out and said Hey, this is a big time for gnarliest sport. Our culture, our community spotlight Kendrick Perkins went on a run this morning. Matt Barnes yesterday Stephen. A Smith then got KYRI and Avery Bradley Sue Mothers. It's going to be interesting, but the NBA has given them a date of June twenty-fourth. The players have to come back. Back and say hey, we want to do this. We don't to do this. They're saying in three different hotels down Orlando based on seating, and what a nice hotels will go for the teams, the middle of the pack teams. You guys get get it average hotel, and then those that are at the bottom of the pack there you'll be staying at the. Yacht Club is one that nobody desires. It has a great name, but it's not that Nice, and now they're going through the entire thing and last night, the man that was ahead of the game. And we've been learning about the insider world. In baseball yesterday we learned a lot from David Samson. We'll revisit that in the second hour because it's something that people need to hear, but in the insider game we've learned from. Our friend is about to join us that. The inside game involves a lot of reading. Because whenever memos are sent out or things like if you're a fast reader, and you can get to the information that people want to hear before anybody else all of a sudden you are the fastest insider yesterday. All of the NBA media in insiders were given a memo that was handed out to all the players I would assume that they have to vote on in our guy who's joining us right now from the athletic senior NBA insider at the athletic, John's Toronto. was beating everybody last night I don't know if he was just reading faster than everybody. Digesting everything faster tweeting twitter fingers were moving very quick Sean your tweets last night. We're like an AR fifteen, just coming out with information. Here it is, it is. It actually got to the point where other insiders just wants to the end of the thing and started reporting from the last couple of pages because you were getting everything early from everything that you tweeted last night. Congratulations by the way you're climbing up the ranks of being the guy to go to for any information and knowledge whenever the MBA drops it from your information last night. Did you get a feeling that this was a lot better setup for the players like I did? Initially reported or is this kind of on par for what you're expecting wherever the guidelines came out. You know this has been something that's been rumored for a while like. Teams agents players the MVP. A The players Union obviously the league. They've all been working through this document for weeks and weeks and weeks, and everyone has been sitting on pins and needles. When is it out when it's coming out and I've gotten a tip earlier yesterday that? Tonight and so I looked out for it and I think players from minos players still sifting through a lot of the material you know players receive pretty much a seventy eight page summary of the entire packet. Meanwhile, teams got the four hundred thirteen pages, so no players aren't going to be going through the one hundred thirty, four hundred thirteen pages, but. As far as the packet itself, it is daunting. There's GonNa be some players that sit out because they do not want part of all that. Orlando will entail, but you know when you read through it all you read all the details to me. Is the NBA just making sure that it can be as safe as possible that there is no crack in in? In in whatever they end up coming coming, you know with their return with. They don't want this to go downhill and so they're going to do whatever it takes the shore that up expecting you to follow all the rules. If you don't, you could be such a subject to suspension reduction of of salary, so the you know obviously the anonymous tip hotline. This thing, a lot of factors that anonymous hotline tip. Thing is amazing to me because we know that this was instituted by some states right there. If you see somebody eating too close to the place or getting food, you should call the cops on him for not practicing social distancing so whenever this came out last night. The NBA was doing the same exact thing. Let me tell you my first thought as a member of the New Orleans Pelicans. My first thought was since I'm probably not gonNA. Get invited to down there, but I'm going to do everything I. Can for the Pelicans I'm GonNa get a helicopter flying over those nice hotels, and if any Western Conference team thinks that they're going to be doing any hanky-panky with each other outside in the lobby or outside in the pool, and they're not going to be social distancing. I'M GONNA. Be Calling that hotline as much as possible. I would assume that that hotline will not get used by players. It'll become an understanding whenever. Whenever you go down there. Hey, this is our life. We're going to go through this together, but that's how serious the MBA wanted people to know that they were too about abiding by all the guidelines, so that their players are are safe I. assume that's why that was added in there. Do agree one hundred percent in the League is trying to go above and beyond again agreed on this entire hundred thirteen page packet with the MVP. So it's not like the players. You should have been caught off guard, but you know. Know with the hotline there clearly providing a service that if a player you know Michelle, Roberts said on a weeks ago on fascinating industries like Mister. We're not going to be tracking where where you guys are going to be going. Show Roberts, obviously the executive director of the PA. She said we're not going to be tracking you, but we'll know if you leave. And so I took that as a like kind of a whoa like like unintended shot that you like you like somehow you guys will still monitor us and I guess. Guess this is the way tomorrow them. The you know every player will have to every player coach at anyone in the campus will also out to where you know. They call magic band, which is essentially Disney's wristband that will allow hotel room, access and corona bias, checkpoints and security checkpoints screening checkpoints, and so no, Dr. Some agents employers that fear that that could be a tracking device in some sense that that that the league that the Disney could use to track where players are and obviously the NBA the MVP will never. Go you know they? They say that that is not a thing. The MVP and medically that we are not tracking you guys. You know at least from a from a software standpoint, but you know there is that thought in that fear among players that we are being chomps at maybe our privacy is being to embrace sean basis. That was a real conversation like hey, they're giving us. The Mickey Mouse Band because that means. We showed her idea and we got into the club right, so they put a wristband on either put a stamp on you. You gotta idea you don't have device. You allowed in these certain places, and then now because the world that we're living in in two thousand twenty with technology. Guys were like Oh. You just think that benches get in how you don't think they're going to. To be because that's really what could happen nowadays, I mean you have your phone is tracking you at all times. You got the the thing that tracks your sleep that you wear on your I mean that is a real fear for some of these players out assume. Let's dive into a little bit more of what the day to day is going to be like. 'cause the MLS Tony. Meola told us that the players. They go to training. They go right back to their hotel room. Three meals will be served to their hotel room. They'll watch film from their hotel room. Go to a game. They come right back to their hotel room. They were basically locked in their hotel rooms for however long. This fifty four game tournament will be for the MLS. That's what Tony Meola understanding of the rules was so whenever we thought the NBA was going to have those same types of rules I thought that was going to be very difficult to get that done. Because no matter how much money you have, or or whatever if If you're being told especially coming after off Corentin and everything that's going on. You have to be in your room for thirty five to forty. Go to your room for thirty five to forty days. Go to practice. You can the but for three hundred and forty days. That's that's a tough amendment. I can't believe the analysts did that I. Thank them for doing that can't wait to watch tournament, but now that it's come out that the players are allowed to use pools. They're allowed to use the The VIP concierge are allowed to use the golf courses they're allowed to. They're really allowed to do. I don't WanNa say a lot of things, but it does care play doubles. Ping Pong. Don't even think about playing with a team. It's one on one stand on the opposite side of the Ping Pong table unless you want to go in the pool together, then you can stand in there together, and if you WanNa, play basketball against each other, you can sweat on each other there, but only singles being bunk, but it feels like this is a much better. At least living experience than I, could fathom that they were gonNA potentially end up with for the NBA thing. Yeah I mean in a lot of ways. It is like summer came like these guys going away like ten years ago for some of these guys fifteen years ago. Maybe some of these guys that going back a you can't tournaments and spending the weekend in Orlando, except now instead of the weekend for the NBA champion is being a four months expedition, so yeah, I. I mean listen. I I think that. This is the best circumstance. The NBA could come up with silver, said it time and time again. We're going to be choosing from a lot of bad options. We just gotTA. Make sure we choose the best of the bad options, and so this is the best of them. They wanted to make sure that the safety was. First and foremost. They're blocking everyone off. You can't leave. You can't enter. And if a player does leave like it was very know, the charges are going to very serious. Ten to fourteen days quarantine no pay for the Games. You Miss and players do not pay. Guys do not want the invasive naval swab, and if you leave the bubble, you're caught and you have to go through this protocol. You will get that invasive nasal swab. Perhaps daily I wonder if they lead off with their by the way you leave, did have to get that knows shag instructions. You get back maybe twice for however many times you leave the The KYRIE Irving Avery Bradley message that. It had been reported. By you by the way that I think eighty players were on the call kind of listening to that about how you go to Orlando, you're potentially away from the mission in message of social justice for everybody. And then there was the alternative point that was like down there. Though you're gonNA, have a lot of is on. You can have a lot of cameras on. You can probably boost in spotlight that message, even bigger, so there's been two different viewpoints here, very polar opposite, and there was a lie the Kyrie Irving started only he came out and said that isn't true, but how much. Dissension is there. Does it feel amongst the players about this concept? Even though the MVP was with the NBA while they reporting this entire thing together. Do you think they're June twenty four vote when it comes back, we'll be like the NFL. where it was like fifty one to forty nine fifty. Do you think it'll be like that or this? Be a unanimous type thing Nah I think the majority of players. WanNa play, but the NBA and the PR making this individual decision like the decisions already baby NBA moving forward. They WANNA resume their season now about who's coming along for the ride, the MVP eight and the League approved not only the format of the entire health protocol, so the League is moving forward, but there are pretty much three or four groups of players that do not know that are. That that the MBA is going to have to see where they go. There's this Cairo urban group Dwight Howard AB badly. There were several other players on that call Camello Anthony Let like you said Avery Bradley Dwight Howard guys that are are just not feeling that. The League going back into playing is what's best for the country and what's best for these athletes, right? There's that group. There's also a group of players I'm told. Told that are just deciding if this is the right fit for them, do they really WanNa? Go through the bubble. Their players that have dealt with losses in their life during this pandemic that are dealing with health issues with family members that have to decide. If we're going to return, there are some very notable players I can tell you that are seriously deciding whether this is the right time for them to make the return. Name has. To do main coalition who? I? Will right now but. They're deciding if. In. It had nothing to do. Quote Unquote with this coalition. Some of the same values morals may apply, but it's really it's each individual decision, and then there is a majority of players I feel that still do want return to some extent Damian Lillard said this week that he's he doesn't feel one hundred percent risk-free about this whole procedure going into Orlando and everything that it entails, but he. He knows he has a responsibility to provide per family. He has responsible to return to the floor and that's all I feel like a majority of the players do still feel avery Bradley coalition came out and said the owners can do a lot more to help our message. They're talking about using black-owned vendors for in the arenas, giving back more money because the NBA is a predominantly black. League, do you think that those things are going to potentially get answered by the NBA on? It feels like that's something. The NBA owners in the NBA League feels like they are the most fast acting quick thinking trying to make the right decision league and I might be completely wrong just as an outsider looking in, but it feels like they are a league that Kinda you know like. Hey, we feel like we got to give back a little bit. Do you think there is a way for Avery Bradley? Kyrie Irving group or any other group. That doesn't want to go. To have conversations with the NBA to move forward and ultimately changed their mind. I do you know the NBA like you said it's been the most progressive. From what I'm told. The League is sitting back waiting to listen from the players. They're trying to do more listening than actually going out and just donating money to random charities. They want to hear a plan a specific plan from the players for them to execute. That's what I'm told they're doing. The League really views that opportunity going down Orlando as a platform for them to shed light on the social injustice. Going on whether that's through. You know my ideas you know. Do Special Commercials Have Special Shirt? SPECIAL WARM-UPS SPECIAL COURT DECOR? There's so many different things they can do and you know from. Lan told it's not like the league would oppose player kneeling during the national anthem isn't per se the NFL where? We saw what happened with Colin Kaepernick. These are the types of acts that the NBA embraces. They want players to go and really use. The platform used a voice bran use their face to display a message, and if a player chooses to kneel, you know during the anthem. They won't be fine. They won't be suspended. The NBA is always been open to hearing out. The idea is they want the players to drive this conversation? How about the players choose not to go down I know it's been said that there'd be no punishment, but the player will always well. There's no punishment, but that I mean that'd be something that will be remembered. How does the NBA? How does how does the players? I, don't know because if I was ever told. There's no, it's like the voluntary workouts right like they're voluntary, but you're playing. Time has also. There's always like that kind of. Is there any hint of that from the NBA? The NBA players like whenever they say there's no like if you choose not to come, it's not that big of a deal. I would assume though at some point. There might be some owners in the NBA. They'll be like over. That guy chose not to come down or something. I don't know. Is there any thought about? I agree with you. I think the guys that sit. There will be something. There'll be a memory of them, and that's not a bad thing for say you know the hope is that they don't get black wall like if if if somebody gasoline's coalition group like avery, Bradley et Cetera. They decide to sit out alternately. They've already talked about it. They actually do decide to go through with. The hope is that it doesn't become a situation where they become blackball right and so. You know the League has made it clear. We respect any and all the sessions from any players, but you know let's be honest. Impo player from especially contending team decides not to play You know it'll be remembered, not only from teammates, but around the league and it'll be. It'll be a topic, and so it's tough to to think that it won't be a thing, but in the back of everyone's mind they'll always remember lay, hey, soul, and so did not play did not join us, and maybe we won the championship. Maybe we didn't go as far as we thought we would. Because this guy sat out. Yeah, I just think that is something that the players should definitely think about it. Because like this will now granted won't be remembered. Also as I'm taking a stand for something that they believe in so I think there's there's kind of both. Both both sides question, and that's the way I view it like guys. Everyone is entitled to their own feeling their own dot, like if a guy size the cell for whatever reason that's on him, that's his decision. You applaud that and you keep it moving and I think that's the approach. A lot of people on the League that I've talked to. I'm also wanted to take okay, July, thirty first the basketball world as opposed to pop back off. They got golf courses. They got concierges. They got twenty four hour room service. They got pools. They got singles Ping. Pong but. They do have thirty five forty days at least away from their families after his entire quarantine. WHAT THE WORLD UPSIDE DOWN! There's a big decision for them to make can't wait to hear release June twenty-fourth I'll be following along with you. Sir, as that news breaks because you're the first one to everything that's impressive in. We're incredibly happy and proud of you Buddy Ladies and gentlemen Sharon your. Job. If your mailboxes is anything like mine ninety percent of the time it's fairly depressing. Place Politics Bullshit Flyers, utility bills, unholy amounts of coupons, but once a month once a month. I. 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Could look good got good beard. That'd be proud of that thing if I were you. Let's talk about the will be opening day. As a man who was a president of MLB team. I think you understand the INS and outs of this a little bit more than I probably do last night Manfred. One on the return to sports sportscenter special in by all accounts was the only person to lose the night Roger, Goodell was on their. Bettman was on there. The WNBA was on their everybody was on their rob. Manfred lost the night somehow and for the first time in collective bargaining history. If feels like the fans are on the players side in this entire thing what has gone wrong for Manfred inure is a person who's had to run an MLB club before. Just talked about this on my nothing personal show which I'm doing every day, and it changes every day I think you're right. Rob Manfred did lose the day except he didn't lose it. Because of yesterday, he lost in five days ago when he said that it was a hundred percent certain that there would be a season. You can't talk that way there is. Is No way to say one hundred percent when sports or coming back. Therefore, he had to walk it back. Because with all of the health issues with the lack of agreement with the union with the possibility of Grievance. You cannot start a season if you don't know what you're going to pay the players, it's not gonNA work in. The owners told themselves. David, how much dialogue do you think is going back and forth between the Union and the owners? I know all the time negotiations people who are trying to find out that they may send a proposal. Not hear anything for a week or two, and they don't really talk as much as you think too should. I love rear heads APP because to me. That was the biggest moment of the night last night when the commissioner admitted that they had no in-person in zoom or facetime meetings for nine days. They've only been exchanging mean letters crying each other names, and then releasing the letters and using the media to leak, which by the way I love using the media to leak when I was running a team for eighteen years. We would do it all the time, but this is not that I'm come on man. You got to meet with the other side and get damn agreements. Okay, so a lot of the players are saying. We talked to Trevor Bauer power our power outage. He told us that he hated that. This conversation was happening in front of the public. Public is which is basically what you just alluded to, but you just said for eighteen years. You loved utilizing the media to get your narrative across. What is something that would get leaked out there? For instance I've I've been told that the Melby will float out a proposal that they haven't officially made yet to. The media see how the people responded, and they're like okay. Good fucking go! That's right it down. We'll send this over as an actual proposal. Is that something that the MLB has done for a long long time now? Is that kind of the move? So what we would do is we would flow. When we wanted to sign a player, we would float it out there to see what sort of reaction we get to a certain player whether it may move the revenue needle. If we were going trade a player, we would start floating out. Listen. This may not be the best teammate. We may have a clubhouse issue, so we can try to ease the pain when we're making a trade because of money. When we're doing some sort of promotion, we would float out there an idea that we had from a Labor standpoint. Wait, you are using the media. Four is not that you're trying to see what the public. I hate to say this. This, but by the way Tony Clark and Rob Manford the owners and the players. It doesn't matter to them whether or not the public is on their side with the leaks are four actually is so that the other side gets wind of what's coming in advance, so they can start working their own constituencies as they try to gain momentum toward an agreement because having the public as Trevor Bauer said it should all be done in private. I wish that he would stop tweeting and everybody would stop tweeting about it and being so angry with one another. Why can't we all just get along rice? Sake because you're a scumbag leak information. That was a lie about a guy because you. was worth money, and then you wanted to be bad clubhouse guy. That's why we can't get along listen. It's not let me let me explain it. I'M NOT GONNA. Defend myself to sell you if you think that I invented this. I've got a bridge to show you. Happened everywhere in every sport all the time, we would leak that were interested in a certain player. Just so that layer would not signed with a different team or so, the agent would call, so we could drive the prices down. We would leak that we weren't interested in a player when agents would leak that we were even if we were to try to keep the prices down, agents leaked the fact that every team is interested in player, so the price goes up. Do you know how many God Damn Times I say? How many times I had to deal with our owner. Because, he would read an article. Saint Oh my God. The mets are GONNA sign race. We've got it pay him his seventh year. We've got to give it to him. What's no? We don't. He's not gonNA sign with them, but we overpaid so many times because agents up with wreak an owners would fall for it every time. So. How does that process work when you want to leak something out there? Do you have a few trusted media members in, do they? Are they in on the League or are? They truly think it's it's legit. Oh. You are the first person to ever asked that. That's it that is awesome. Here's how that works. There certain media members who we would give be a source for would give information to and what would ask for in return is information back if they're hearing about player movements or about a trade, whereby any sort of information that could help us as we're either drafting, players are signing players trying to trade players. And what we would get from that media member by leaking information to them and having them be a source is every time you see a list when a manager is being hired or a GM as being hired or a presidents is being hired, and you read a list of. Well there are these five individuals were being considered for this job that is payback for when they got information from that executive throughout the course of their career. So when you see an assistant gm who is on a list of names, being considered for GM job that is mostly in parts of the fact that that Assistant GM is in touch with that member of the media giving him or her information. It's going on within an organization, so we can find out who the rats are forever single organization basically whenever time comes in time. Time reveals itself, so we had a way of finding that out is we would give different scouts and different people different information about traits that we were doing, and then we would see what would make it out there, and then we would know exactly who was talking Kim Kim crash on who west did the same thing with their? What their baby names? They told their group of friends different names that they were thinking, and then whichever one made it through the tabloid seen later. You never get many more breast milk from this. Guy, it's not a bad play the rob Manfred. You think he's the one leaking the information himself. Or who do you think is doing it from the MLB? Do you think Manfred is involved in these proposal leaks in this type of stuff for his at somebody, different the rob. No they do it actually much more systematically. It's people at much lower levels than rob. You've got the deputy commissioner who speaks to members of the media much lower one level our You've got people within organizations, so the Commissioner's office will deal with teams on the Executive Council and they will talk about right. We're going to get this information how we're going to get that information out, and then they will choose in different markets where to do it. Do you think that it's a secret or a surprise? When Randy Levine meets the media the way he did today, or when Ken Kendrick talks to the media, the way did Nara. None of that is a surprise. Do you think that Trevor Bauer for one minute? Do you think Trevor Bauer does this and his union does not like what he's doing because. If that were the case, you would stop doing it. David, who's doing it better, you think owners or the players like layers got to be the players. The fans are the players side for the first time in history. You agree, AJ. I want the professional advice pat. I think they're all tied for last. I think both sides were incredibly tone deaf right now I think that with this global pandemic with everything that's going on with the social unrest with the systemic racism is finally coming to the forefront that it is unbelievably tone-deaf. What the players and what the owners and what the Commissioner is doing? Unfortunately, there's no other choice because baseball's in a position that the other leagues are not in. They have got to get a labor agreement discussed and agreed to now because they didn't get their season started, but trust me the NBA the NHL and the NFL. We're going to have their own problems because team. Have Gone into the rapper. Okay show the thought of the Moby, not having a season in your eyes. You don't think that's GONNA. You'd think at the end of the day. There's going to be a season I. is that accurate? If. I have any chance with one for the next year. I sure as hell, hope, self, okay, because like I talked to Jet Passing Jeff Passan obviously. Yeah with your beard. Yeah, okay, you're talking about. Yeah you're talking about having sex. Lost in Texas relations. Do Hope. There's going to be a season. 'cause there needs to be baseball. Jeff Passan's said that in my eyes. If you watch Manfred, speak, it's almost like rob is trying to delay as much as possible. The players are now calling him out on it because the prorated salary less games more money that it seems like that is where this is all hovering around. Where do you think they end up falling on since you've actually seen the inside of this and how this could potentially play on? Where do you think they land at? Yet it's not so so many people are calling this assault technique and I just WanNa be clear that it is not here's why God said from the beginning on CBS and on nothing personal, and even on my twitter account that without a health agreement and health protocols. The League can't start. The July fourth date was dreamed from the beginning. It was never going to happen and the biggest mistake. The commissioner made is having an expectation by the fans that there could be baseball in July where we could pledge allegiance and celebrate. Independence Day with opening day, never going to happen at. At cast it's the end of July or August first because that's as soon as it can be so what I'd like to see. Happen is a realistic schedule. Given to the players were I'm hopeful that the broadcast networks will allow the playoffs to be shown in November. Then we can start, August, I and have more than fifty games and come to an agreement, but if they won't show playoff games in November than that season has to end at the end of September and then there can only be fifty or fifty five games. It's not a stall rob Manfred, not stupid. Stupid players are not stupid. It is too bad that people are taking the narrative that it's a because. It's not Manfred Stumm. Why he may be things done is not WANNA pay can't speak publicly at public. Speaking is a pretty big deal for being a commissioner and he stinks. That'd be so when when we were helping him get elected, and we went through the process of moving on from bud ceiling. Do you know what percentage? Of importance it was to owners who were voting on a new commissioner, the ability to be a public speaker. If you had to guess if you were breaking down the job, what would you say would be? The public would be the percentage of being able to be public facing well after watching Roger Goodell work for all these years I would say it should be ninety five percent what we should be looking for as a public speaker that should have been like number one for us. Now below five percent shooting. What's it's obvious to by the way? It is very obvious that that's made a lot of here's. Why is job? Do you know that Roy Manfred almost wasn't elected commissioner because there were owners who thought he was too soft on the players union. There were owners who felt like Jerry reinsdorf thought that he was to throw the players. And two soft and willing to negotiate. That's the irony of all this right now. David, you said he wasn't dumb and when he talked about Manfred. But why would you throw out that July fourth date? When you know it wasn't going to happen? He's dumb. David he's does on. Hold on when you say he throughout the July, fourth day. Are you sure that he threw that out goal? Absolutely not I'm not. I would like you to go source that mcnutt question and find out for sure. Who said that July fourth was the date that was an aspirational media driven concepts hopeful that spring training could start now and that there could be game July fourth, so you're saying that we shouldn't be as hard on rob, Manfred as we have been because he said some things that haven't been fantastic, no I'd like you to be hard on him because I agree that it's been an issue, but I do believe is that what's happening between players and owners needs to stop in a needs to stop now. They need to get back to the table and start negotiating the settlements, okay. You sound like SBP last night. A lot of people are echoing that sentiment. I know you have to get out of here in a minute. We can't thank you enough for your time. I'll final question here I. I checked your Wikipedia. You Hate Derek. Jeter Derek, jeter, you and Derek. JETER's do not get along well, is that is that an accurate statement absolutely hates me and I. Don't know why, maybe because he overpaid by five hundred million for steam, maybe because he thought that he thought I stunk at my job and after eighteen years. Maybe he was right, but let me tell you some. He's no better than I was. Take do take any credit for helping. Create marlins man. Helping create him or trade him. Marlins man, I think you are a part of a building legendary character who guy you just goes around in orange and gets the best seats in every single house. He could possibly get. You feel like you're a part of that. I am absolutely not a part of that I know Lawrence. Levy well is someone who loves attention and love spending money on tickets and friends and good for him. I'm happy. Happy for my always enjoyed seeing the marlins jersey, but we never paid him. We never asked him to do it. I ended up having to say no to him more than I said yes, because he had a lot of requests over the years of things that he wanted, but he really has a good heart, and he loves the game of baseball. He's probably the person most impacted by having without fans. Saving so much money, right? Ladies and gentlemen, former MARLINS president for eighteen years. Now is a podcast, or you see them on CBS sports and on twitter. I can't thank enough for joining US Ladies and Gentlemen, David Samson, take. Guy Was a lightning rod. That did was awesome. Yeah he came in from the? Last night. I was up all night trying to figure this. Last night was an interesting night for me because I was trying to learn why. Rob Manfred makes twenty five million dollars a year. Okay, so I started looking into, and then I watch that performance on the back to sports return to sports special watches performance. I'm like how is this? How is exist? The motherfucker we landed on now that learning that less than five percent of it revolved around being able to publicly speak, which by that should be the number one thing. Thing is this person should be able to talk his way out of a bag if he has to for the good of our league so I think that's a little bit of a phone. There's but boy baseball I think is going to come back, but they are at a bad splodge age as a big baseball show all of a sudden day or in a bad spot on. This has become a big baseball show with everything. That's going on I I'd like. Samson credit man like he must i. didn't we didn't get a chance to to ask him, but we'll have Mont again like he definitely is not trying to get back into baseball as Good twice good at what he's doing. Maybe it's because he paid over five hundred million dollars too much. I! Mean you take us? I mean he was. He was wide open royal. I believe a word he said, but I I I WANNA talk to for another hour. Big News coming out of the NFL world. There was a off season Carousel for quarterbacks where nobody knew where anybody was gonna go, legends were finding new homes. Philip rivers is now quarterback for the Annapolis Colts. Tom Brady. The man who is the staple for the greatest dynasty in the history of professional sports was a free agent for the first time ever was he going to go to another team? Nobody knew we're him in Bilbao. Check on a split up. He ends up going to the Tampa Bay. buccaneers which nobody expected and today just one thousand nine hundred minutes ago. That Tampa. Bay buccaneers rolled out the first photo. Shoot the first session the first time again against see handsome. Any Tampa Bay buccaneer uniform. We do have a picture of that upon it up coming up right now as we speak because Boston Connor while we're talking to David Samson back there. I saw his face. Look down at his phone. See the photo in react in a very negative fashion. This is the first time patriots fans I think are really going to have to get smacked in the mouth with reality that Tom Brady is no longer upper foxborough AJ. So I WANNA ask Connor and other. Boston sports fans and they see Tom Brady and the Tampa Bay bucks uniform. Does it feel like all of a sudden you're longtime. Girlfriend went and got with like your best buddy and all of a sudden you show up and she's at the dance this do. Not Your Buddy sweatshirt on walking out of the house in the morning. Excuse me. Here by. By somebody that we both knew there for a little bit I imagine it's more like I died in I'm looking down on my ex wife banging my best friend and you know there's nothing I can do about. Hey, well. Cool glasses on you. Let's take a look. Tom, Brady and the Tampa Bay uniform all Marg on. Are you kidding me? How does handsome get better? Look and tell you what put them in a bucket near Jersey that's great at not only does the all. Look perfect the whites of perfect look at the color scheme with his skin tone in his big brain. You can already tell he's getting more credit for the success that this team has more now than he ever got. New, England look out. Thankfully is to be a buck in the air just by seeing this Jersey Aj. Looks Good, don't you? Oh. Yeah there it is. That's the glamour shot. Are you kidding me? He looks like he's twenty two again. He's refreshed. He's revitalized. He's thankful to be in a place. That's thankful for him. Tom Brady TB. Twelve looks brand new in a buck nears uniform congratulations that TB Twelve. Does he the Zigzag? Neck, air haircut, and that last picture, because that would be quite quite a look for Tom, that could oh. Oh. Geez, terrible haircut I'm not gonNA. Say mid life crisis. I'm NOCCO say say don't say they'll say. That was taken his helmet off by the way. It's much the Herald. Everyone's because he had his helmet on remember he saw with the. White Jersey on calling out plays looking at me. He'll at me. He's already making checks in the Tampa. Bay buccaneers uniform. He's already having workouts where helicopters are hovering over top Tampa Bay. Tom Brady is the new rape. Nobody's even gonNA remember. He played for the Patriots just like when Peyton went to Denver the only photo. You've seen him with a fucking Broncos Jersey. Say Hello to the New Jersey that you see Tom Brady and probably for the rest of his life, the hair might be actually from the immunity pills that he has. That might be side effect actually. Maybe a snake! Well, what are you? What are you speaking about, Connor, what is that what you're talking about the TV off mute pills? If you take it, you're basically immune to anything that could harm you. IS WHAT HE CLAIMS I! Don't know if those are the exact claims, but immunity pills very talent, so if I take that to I. wouldn't six superbowls get no credit for because that's what it feels like what happened up. On those. Pills came after that you take those just in case you win super bowls, and you get pissed off. You don't get enough credit. Then you go, and you purchase the immunity pills and you'll feel much better. You'll get your haircut. You really feel like that's what's at the bottom of all of this of Tom Eventually moving on obviously at from New England that He. Would never say it publicly I'm sure yeah buttocks. He'd just feels like hey, man like yeah. No one's bigger than the team but I'm kind of bigger than this theory. I am yeah. I get the Patriot ways the Patriot way, but I would like to think that I am literally the Patriot Way I'd take less money. I play better than everybody I show. Show up to work I'm invested I still have the fire and vigor and sodomy to be the best player I could possibly be. Yeah, the Patriot Way. Why don't we just call it? The Tom Brady at this point I win super bowls, and I still can't say I'd like that wide receiver on my football team like every other quarterback in his I think. Think that is what it is now. Tom Super, professional handled this very well talking about how he understood the whole thing, but I think deep down whenever you start talking to Peyton and obviously the control that Payton had in the Credit Bank, and then I assume he also talks other other guys that are up there and legendary status. I mean at some point. Point if you've been doing it for twenty years, and you're the greatest of all time, and everybody says that I would assume at some point you'd be like I would like a little bit of credit here from within my own house. You're a little bit of credit here with my own house, but don't you think he also probably has a little bit like? All right I dived on this. New England for twenty years than super successful feels like you should have more rings than he does have, but he's probably thinking like right. Sometimes it changes. Scenery is needed and I just want to see if I can get this done somewhere else new challenge. Maybe that is maybe he got bored. Maybe fell check Belshazzar, obviously a gigantic huge challenge that probably invigorated like makes them feel like okay. I have a whole new lease on what I'm in life of what I'm doing. How I'm going to attack this thing because I need to find a way to be successful without talk. Are they stinking to get Trevor Lawrence? And Players aren't but I can't see the front office. They're doing that either Bella. Check my cats coat. We don't even know Josh. mcdaniels in check might be able to flip Jarret. Stidham into what another ten super bowl would that be surprising at all? If that was to happen at this? If they want to ten straight, Super Bowls Jackson. It'd be very surprising because that means. They went through Patrick. Mahomes chiefs team ten straight times, but if they had a lot of success with jared I don't at this point. I don't think anybody would be surprised. If, they absolutely stink, which are instead of? I don't think anybody would be surprised. But if Tom Brady goes out there in place, bad football for Tampa Bay. It's going to be loud. It is going to be loud about how without bill check just could never get. It right could never do it, so it's A. It's an interesting time for both of those jerseys. Look amazing on Tom Brady I. Mean on all over the shoulder smiling because he has a new home determination looking forward at the road that he he's about to take with the Tampa Bay buccaneers team. Look look at me pointing at my big ASS, fuck! It's during them still. Can this brain? Rate here is going to lead us to the promised. Land this brain right here. Look at this brain here. Aj. Look at this. Do you think that Howard Stern interview would have happened if he was still on the New England, Patriots no chance in Hell. Do you think the page? Okay, so tom goes. Let's say he was still in the Patriots. He went to the exact same kind of interview was Howard Stern what she was very open and honest more than we've ever really seen. Tom, publicly talk about. Would the Patriots. Do you think he would legit? Get a call from bill, check or something? Vaca-, Tom Much. Talent. How have you ever seen the videos from our twenty years ago? Do not going to shower. Here? National! I think that's what happened. Is Bell. Check the one that I drummed up all this stuff for Howard Stern. By the way I shouldn't laugh. Those things are coming out for those videos are absolutely terrible but I don't think those interviews would ever happen with the Patriots and they didn't happen. He wanted. Tom said he'd been a fan of Howard's for a long time. They wanted to make it work yet, but Tom Price just didn't feel like he could be as open and honest as he wanted to. He said I wanted. Wanted, to make it good when I finally did come on. He's like I. wanted to be able to speak you know without being yelled at like I was a fucking child by the the coach and the GM of the team that played for twenty years in one six superman. He was pandering. Okay, he could've asked him bill with a let them gone on, but he's never asked. That's what I'm talking Barrett? Man. Ask exactly that is what the problem is that if you by the way Boston trying to drum up, oh, you do asked for permission to spark in fifty years old. At this point. He's one six superbowls shouldn't have to ask him, but it's just like. When you're in training camp. And, I saw Vegetarians Room. Getting checked at a certain time. I'm like this is really you. Check inventory's bedtime right now. The skies seventy five years old. He's got kids who are checking and that was happening. It's very interesting world professional sports world, but you either buy or you don't. The Patriot way has been good for a long long time. Will it still be able to be good whenever they don't underpay the best quarterback in the league and they now have a whole new. Time will, but those new uniforms look damn good, AJ little. What's the over and under on? New England this year wins. Nine or ten in the middle of the? Channel Nine and a half probably. I guess because of how good Tom looks at uniform exactly. I would bet the over for whatever the Patriots. Just because I want to be able to say I knew Bocek was going to be able to do it. If I lose my just, it didn't happen. To defend ace needs to really be solid. If they want a chance to be good, they did last year though that defense, some of those guys, though s colvin noise, but still got Sky Roberts they lost a lot of their back nice guy, and but they still that Gilly which will hold it down on the back end, one hundred percent right to be able to work out there, knowing collins. They were able to do for them. Is But this. Why Bill Belichick Bill Belichick? We're GONNA find out. Nine and a half for Tampa nine for New England. Yeah. What's the better bet? They're over on Tampa or under on New England under under under England's a smarter better just because they have a rookie quarterback. You know we're not a real I your quarterback. You have no idea what's going. That guy could go out in throw sixteen interceptions in the first game. That could really happen. He could have a game like Oh, by from the buffalo bills. What was his name that Guy Peterman? They Peterman what he had. He had ten passes and eight interceptions or something at one run there, that could happen. You have no idea now with. With the running game for the New England Patriots be able to carry them like it hasn't passed I zoom Josh. mcdaniels will be able to drop something, but without that defense carried the master with a lot of missing parts I. Mean there's a chance to take your potentially. Be Bad like bad next year, but on the flip side. There's a chance that could be good. I. Just think there's a better chance that they're bad. Then the Tampa Bay buccaneers catch fire win games. That's a tough division down there, Nancy. Why don't you think though absurd comes out? Let's say throws. Three interceptions in the first quarter of the first game I. Think twice by the time they break the locker room for halftime Cam Newton may be suited up in an cleon. He's still out there. They're going to have to sell bag of balls to be able to afford Cam Newton somehow though they have no salary cap up there. I don't think they, but you're right Cam. Newton is still out there. That's why this big conversation is going in Cam. Newton posted this morning him working out. He said it's better be prepared for when an opportunity comes in to be not prepared when opportunity does come something smart smart. Now it's better be prepared for an opportunity might not happen then unprepared for an opportunity when it does come something. He said in a of that nature. He said it in his in his language. Yeah, so I was trying to throw it as quick as possible for we got on there, but it is wild to me that Cam Newton still out there very very very insane the me especially when you look around and she trash quarterbacks center, Potential GonNa Lineup quarterback this year for people, and he's looking better than ever with chip on shoulder. He'll end up somewhere is where maybe in Cleveland let Baker daughter and throw a couple of picks early in the look like he has an advanced. You don't think they're going to be calling for Cam Newton over there in Cleveland Stat. I would assume they would be. He's already got this report with obgyn's. We can see from this video. How come you and I? Don't get via these workouts. Look like these. What do you call it a smash cuts and all like the herky-jerky camera action. This is highly like this is some high production value. This is youtube up. This is youtube. Is there a man? Zoom in. KYW's Istat effect. Odell Beckham looks very good at football still. He. He's coming off a hurt hernia last year. He did not complain about that once. Which is insane still doing that? The secondhand there at the end. He's lot. Is he losing it and I don't want to. Judge wasn't as tight though and those balls you. It has to be a good row. A lot on the one hand to catch is on the throw by the way that things. A loose ball thinks tough to snag, but if you get a nice Chris, tight one. You can just grab that especially with the gloves O B J has made a living off. He was heard all last year didn't have a great year did not come out and bury Freddie Kitchens or the Cleveland Browns at all I have no idea how I have no idea how moby J I would assume, I would come I think him and Jarvis Landry going to be quite a team going forward, and I would assume that if Baker doesn't do well, there could be calls for Cam Newton, but I think Baker will do well feels like bakers may be having an off season where he's. kind of find themselves again I. Hope I think so I think it set up perfectly for the browns now fly under the radar. Don't let people talk about you, but everyone think okay here. We go again another head coach. It's going to be the same old Cleveland Browns, and maybe they surprise a couple of people. It's tough as north though because Ben Rothlisberger. Is Back. He is there now in Cincy. Hey Lemar, jumping over jetskis in the off season, just dominating everybody that AFC north, all of a sudden has become very very very interesting now. Everybody knows when winter comes. CINCINNATI IS GONNA. Drop off because they can't practice. That's going to be to. Everybody knows that the Pittsburgh steelers that we're talking. James, Connor who was an author, his book fear is a choice drop today. He'll probably be a New York Times bestseller here within the next week. Congrats to him. He's going into a contract to your. As juju Smith Schuster he talked about his workouts with Rothlisberger said, it looked like rothlisberger was all the way back whenever they've been out there working out. That's massive for the steelers. Who almost made the playoffs last year when they? Legitimately didn't have a quarterback duck one and did everything he could, but that Pittsburgh steelers team almost made the playoffs last year quarterback. Now you throw in Ben Rothlisberger fees anywhere near where he was even better. What some people are saying! I mean that. AFC North can be a real kick in the Dick for everybody in there that could be cannibalized division there if you really think about it, yeah, but whoever find their way out, should hopefully make a great run in the playoffs, so they've been. They've been battled tested. Yeah, but then you run into the fucking Ferraris ever in Kansas City. Well. We are Ford trucks over here. AFC North to run, and then all of a sudden you get to Kansas, city and it's like. Four two. Four, three four four boom. They get this guy on. Deem and still have enough money on the salary cap. Nobody knows. He's gone. There's another four three, and then you go to anti-reach drawn things up in all. You got a quarterback. You can throw off his back foot. Seventy five yards that Kansas City chiefs team is stupid makes no sense. I assume they'll lose a game while be very confused by but Dan. That is going to be tough for the. Aj! Impact question. You just said they will be battle-tested for the playoffs. So would you rather have that, or would you rather be New England for years and years and years where the only good team division, and they did quite well. I'd rather be battle-tested now. Obviously, there's about any many different ways depending on what your team is like what? Makeup of your team is event. Is it mostly young guys like what is the mixture like but I think being battle battle-tested and not having to try to figure out. How much are starters gonNA play in this last regular season game. If we have a by the upcoming week, I like having to fight your way in the colts whenever they won the Super Bowl in two thousand and six before I got there. I guess there was a game wake week fourteen or thirteen maybe. Maybe, they played the Jackson Monday in week fifteen. I know it was mentioned though a couple of times throughout my run there they lost the Jacksonville or somebody like a bad like they got blown out, and they said that game was a massive game for them because they were kind of feeling themselves, but then they got a chance to Kinda. See what could happen whenever they don't show up, and then they obviously go on to win the Super Bowl and beat the Chicago bears. In Super Bowl they're going to do that. So that two thousand nine hundred meadow was on one, we went undefeated fourteen games, and then loss whenever we chose to lose, and then I think there was a lot of questions on whether or not like. Hey, we haven't really had that. Smack in the mouth situation here. We've been able to do whatever we do so i. I remember conversations happening about that type of stuff like Oh we're GONNA lose momentum if we rest our players, we haven't really run into a problem yet. Games are pretty much so everybody was kind of worried and then Lo, and behold whenever we get to the Super Bowl. Whenever the tide turned on us there in the second half, it was like we couldn't get. Get back into it I. Don't think that's because of the battle-tested. Maybe it was maybe it was because the team was so damn good for so long. We hadn't been slapped in the mouth at a out of nowhere. There's I mean there's so many different ways to do it. I think each team is so different. You're saying battle-tested ones want to. You're the one that's. That's out there every single play. You think being battle-tested knowing that if you're huddle has been in a situation before you can rely on that later. Is that what you think? Yeah, and that's just me personally I'm sure if you asked every guy that separate played that all have a different opinion, but that's just how I feel I. think There's not as much like. I guess unknown are trying to wrest towards the end of the season and you know you're going to the playoffs. You already started envisioning the run. You'RE GONNA. Make all we want home. Field advantage will be cool, but if you're fighting to find a way to to get your place at the table, so you have a chance to make a run I think it does something for your team I think it does something where you know like you can. You can count on your buddy behind you. The guy in front you. You know what there's not a situation. You haven't been ensure we've won with guys out. We've been down twenty one. One and a half time and come back in one like we won many different ways, and sometimes when you roll through everybody all of a sudden you may get in the big game the, AFC NFC championship game or something, and you're down seventeen and you're looking for other people to make plays instead of just going out and doing it. That's what the interesting thing about that chiefs team is like the playoff run. They were down twenty one. They were down twenty eight at one point so in the Super Bowl when they were down as a fan I assume in their locker room to in their silent. They're like that been here before. We have been here literally two weeks ago? This is not a big deal. That is a very powerful feeling to have as a team like with. This has nothing to us. We know it. They know what the fans know it. That is a powerful thing to rely on whenever you fall into one of those situations. I think teams, too. Don't you think players and coaches thrive on being the underdog feeling? Nobody gives us the respect that we deserve what bill checks been drumming up in New England forever Oh. Nobody thinks we're good I'm GONNA pump up the other team, no matter what and I'm going to. To create like adversity for my team. Basically, that's like with Nick. Sabin has to do in Alabama. Would he say rat poison? If you read the good press about you, something like that that the thing that I like is whenever you're down a bunch and they come back and win. That celebration afterwards is much larger I I. Don't know how the Kansas City boy stayed sober enough after those winds down twenty-eight. Come Back Down Twenty one. You come back. I don't know how that celebration isn't carrying the next week. And that's why the pros and that's why I wouldn't have been able to handle it. Sometimes to. Been in that situation here in the playoffs and you know. We win. We move on. We lose. Everything comes to a screeching halt like it's an. Absolutely horrendous on, it's terrible losing a playoff game. What like NFC Championship? AFC Championship, but I feel like you I don't know when you've been through that. In the more times you've been through that helps your team as a whole and your coaches. You build confidence doing that and you're not. It's not just an unknown. You don't get in the biggest game your life back. Okay? Well, we've never been. been here before. What do we do now? So we all just freak out panic, yell! That's usually what happens to bad teeth, so yeah, not being able to handle adversity is a big deal so whenever we go into a bowl game in college. I knew that coming out of that game all I was GONNA. Think about for the entire offseason was how I kicked the ball in that Bogan. Bogan right then you know at the end of the NFL whenever you're in playoffs. However, you performed in that last game is what you're going to think about for the entire offs. If you're that Green, Bay packers defense that gave up one hundred and eighty six yards, rushing before contact. What is the taste in your mouth? The entire offs it had to be. That has to be a motivator that. That has to be a driving factor in potentially quite a disappointing taste, because it was a hell of a run by that defense to this year. Hell thing, but that is something you have to think about I assume move forward. Yeah, and they played well for big chunks of the season defense really did they? They were much approved. I feel like so to lay on the biggest stage won. The superbowl that sticks with you and it's like okay. All of this great worked. We did throughout. The season almost doesn't feel like it means anything, but it does. You gotta find a way to take some positives from that, but you have to watch that NFC. Championship game a million times in the season I'm sure they've watched it and zoom meetings with their coach. It's not only is field terrible. When you give up that many yards rushing defense, but then to continue to watch it over and over again to try to correct your mistakes, just makes it that much worse. Laser pointer that laser pointer where it's like you know you talk an eighth of a step to your left right here. If you WANNA taking an eighth of a step to the right look, what happens, look that hose covered then look look what now. He doesn't have to make up for you now that they're seventy five yards right there. If you don't take an eighth, that's what film breakdown is for football by the way. I was mind blown the first time I sat in like an actual position meeting. And when I sat in and watch because for me, it's C ball hit ball. We can work on your drop. We're talking about like miniscule like drop do this, but whenever they're talking about for DB's for D. Lineman for anything, they literally show in like an eighth of a step like hey, if you take away that that just that little inch of nausea brim now we're perfectly setup in every single breath you take is basically getting completely broken down and I would assume that packers defense watching that forty nine, or so if I'm. I'm if I'm potentially. The Packers D. Coordinator Defensive Player. I'm asking them just the burn that film and act like it didn't happen. I cannot go through it because there's probably four to five plays where there's probably one two players. That did one thing wrong. In boom. There's fifty seventy. There's eighty yards and it's just like if we take back these three. That's always the conversation. If we take back these three plays, which if we dive deeper if you take back this story here? Our team's probably in the Super Bowl. It's fucking, thanks. This this is really good news like that is how film study is though it's a real like accountability session in the NFL films it's. Top stuff I I don't know how the confidence stays high in their house, but chain-reaction I think you described it. What like so say? A DB goes off script and wants to do something. He's not really coached to do and he takes. Wants to eat takes a little. Let's say he's on press coverage on a on a guy like one of their stud received on a big third down. He takes a little stutter, step or something. That's not his technique. He hasn't done year, but he was trying to freelance a little bit. Origins lost. Focus is tired. Coaches show that show how he gets. Beat just by split-second like okay. What then he gets on top. Top you little quicker normal. Oh, Hey, look at our to edge rushers right here. Both applying a ton of pressure. Oh, wait as the quarterback is releasing the ball. Our guy is hitting him, but the ball was still able to get there and right trajectory knows completed touchdown wherever big third down conversion they say if you don't take that one little three instep. None of this happens. We lost. We have a sack. Pants down the other words touchdown and we win the game and we're going to the super bowl or we won the super bowl, so guys she'd your technique that court in though like of. Kaz entire guys. These guys steps what about them? Are they watching film like a week after the game if they lose in the playoffs, like how much time do they have odd year next offseason? You don't come well you the next day possible. You could come in, but you're not gonNA. Meet is whole team and watch it right after the season, the IPADS getting loaded up for the plane ride home where the new thing there at the end of the. The end of my career and that was kind of fun to watch. You kind listen to everybody watch film together, and you'd hear reactions for people, and then somebody would get summoned to the back of the plane. What the Hell Are you doing here? But I don't I think. After that game, I would assume a lot of guys are just kinda putting their ipads in their bags K.. Put that away. that. It's going to put the backpack on. Let's find whatever Xanax we can possibly find. Let's get on his plane and let's go right to sleep to the we get to wherever the fuck. We're headed and not talk about this for six seven months in that I would assume that is the case I'm not hundred percent sure. Yeah for a lot of people I think it is. You got to confront at some point. You need to watch it and see what you did. Try to learn from it but man. It's not easy after the Super Bowl. We're flying from Miami Back Indianapolis just the next day. You guys. Had to stay. Stay the night after you won't get up in the morning to leave that'd be. There was a party setup. So there was a party Senate breakers. Women got a bunch of heat because he went to the party when they lost and he was dancing. Yes, and there was a super bowl party. That's still happening our hotel now. Earth say was supposed to perform at this thing was also had this entire thing setup, and obviously every player gets back there. They're miserable. I was like we'll be back next year. What are we so sad about? But still so the party was just completely dead, but then you go up in your hotel. He kind of bounce around room to room you now you say goodbye. Or whatever in on a flight back, it was kind of I. Don't want. Say miserable flight back, but it was. I mean it was kind of a combination of Hey. This year was a hell of year this special year I. Mean this was a very. It's come to an end. And there was a lot of sleeping, or whatever and I think this is when Robert. Mathis potentially gained a lot of respect for me. I was passed out on a plane day because I got a little intoxicated my room. And I'm sitting there. I'm just passed out or whatever and I get like shook woke up and it's Robert. Math is holding pillow and he just he hits me right in the face with it. Okay and I just like I took it. I just took it and I looked at them. Now's a good morning or whatever and he was like Oh. You're not a bitch. I was like now. He's like okay. My Man, who had a full compensation. I assume that he thought I was potentially going to get like scared of whatever I was literally so. I like just open my eyes. He just hit me with the pillow and I was like Good Morning Mister Mathis. And I think that was a moment. He potentially gain respect for me, but I remember that plane ride just being a very quiet one like the debt is playing. We've been on all year I mean granted. We want every single game that we tried to win. It was just that's a sad situation man. I couldn't even fathom those packers players dude. That's a long flight home to after. CISCO, that's a long way. Let Alone San Francisco that things actually. Santa Clara probably get. Another hour to get through thing all grow from warm to cold. Go Back I O. Entered no things. Man I couldn't imagine fans, obviously, yes, or pumped, but those players are just had to be miserable I think about two year they got beat by Seahawks in the NFC championship, and it was a botched onside. Kick that they Miss Pakistan won that game went to overtime. They lose to fly back from Seattle like that would be well. That one guy was supposed to go for Ryan Bostick. It wasn't as last that was my last game in Green Bay. Oh Tie. Thanks for bringing it up. By say something about it. Yeah, I've been there on that point. It's not figure that poor guy to Boston. What do you do headphones on discipline himself put a blanket of head. I'm not sure what he did on the plane I remember seeing him in the locker room. Guys trying to console him I came in. It's not just on you, and it's obviously not just on him. Yeah, that's kind of the misconception in team sports. Is that you know? In China point to one particular thing that may be lost the game, but if you're on a team, ever your thought is. That isn't. Anything if we do this at this situation. and. That's why team sports are so beautiful, but boy those are. There are those moments where you know kind of gets pinned on one person person feels it by the way it's not just the fans they're saying that person is is also sitting there Oh my God. This one hundred percent on me I feel like a terrible fucking person in those flights home got to be tough. Let's talk about Brandon Brooks. Tearing his Achilles for the Philadelphia Eagles Guard. He was rated the top offensive Lineman by pro football focus last year three time pro bowler superstar. Linemen next to Kelsey there. He tears his Achilles. He's indefinitely Philadelphia Eagles known to be the luckiest team in the NFL strike gold once again with losing the best offensive Lineman in football, says pro football focus. What a sad situation! Here during a quarantine month out from camp. This is wild situation for the eagles staff to deal with terrible terrible luck for him I know he tore his other Achilles a couple of years ago to came back this past season, and had a heck of the year again, but I mean offensive lineman especially guards unless you're a die, hard philly fan. Most people don't know how valuable he truly is to that. See but man. is a stud absolute stud, the communication everything about what he does. What how how well he works with Kelsey and the other guys, so whoever steps in obviously, it's a big job big shoes to fill, but yeah, I feel for the heels, Brandon and in Philly I mean the coaching staff everybody there. You got to figure out figure this out now. How to jumble an offensive line together. Together bring a replacement in their. Whoever's going to step in and take that GIG, but you're not going to have the time. You normally have to kind of work together and try to build that unit I. Think move will be put Jalen hurts there. That's why you bring in. Jalen hurts right. You just put him and left corner, not bad idea. That's why he draft like that. Maybe Guy Squad seven hundred pounds eight pounds. Run the fumble risky with. Talking go there. You know what I mean. That is tough for the eagles. Fans. That is I mean that is a kick. I, mean it's not as tough as your franchise quarterback eight days before the season's but a month out losing the best offensive. Lineman and football is definitely difficult and I would assume if you stop the eagles. Fans are like of course, of course. Course. That's what's next Carson wentz is gonNA throw is Elba. Just the way it goes, but the name of the game in football is health. It really is you can guess what teams going to be great like the buccaneers we think the buccaneers are going to be good. Let them lose to offensive Lineman, all of a sudden, and all of a sudden Tom Brady's getting. You have no chance. The health factor of football is so real. It's WHO's healthiest. Who Hottest at the end of the season. That's going to make a run, and that's why the Patriots Dynasty is so impressive because you've seen a lot of great teams get injured at the wrong time and they're gone from. Because you lose a couple of players with your salary cap the way it's set up. That could potentially take out a quarter of your team's investment. You're done for vote of eagles. Lose a missing piece of massive piece in this whole thing. That's a big deal. Yeah and the Patriots are even more impressive about their run of dominance. Is that every year? They're doing it like. Their roster looks drastically different from the year before. I feel like so many different guys have been plugged in their on offense and defense, and they still seem to always be in contention to win at all. It makes no sense. In I would assume if I was a football coach I coach. Check if I guess where each game you would have your own game plan just because I think I'd get bored I. Think I'd get bored if I if I go check. This is what we're running every single week. We're going to do this, I think I would get bored I. Think I would have to much add but the fact that he figures out the, and it's not just him obviously staff and Ernie his kid in the guy upstairs, Ernie, and probably the bigger guy that's. Going to be sexist. I don't know I don't know who's doing the things, but whatever they piece together the Rosser that they have who they're playing against. And then they changed the game plan week in and week out. That is something that I think we should see more teams surprise. More teams don't do. Why the team is always potentially going to be good, because he says we play to our strengths, and we take advantage of their weaknesses every single week. It doesn't matter who we have. It doesn't matter what they have going on. That is what we're going to take. Advantage, it's war. It's art of war, and that is what Bill Belichick has done thoroughly throughout his entire run. It's even as short as quarter to quarter. And he'll just mix it in the second quarter. He'll just okay whatever we did in the first completely gone. Let's do this and that's why you're seeing ghosts. If you're Sam Darnold, because you're like okay, I figured out this fucking defense finally and I'm in the quarter. Okay? I figured it out all in first quarter. That's like wait. This is an entirely different. This isn't a. how do you guys have five game plans for each game? How does it happen? It doesn't make any sense. That's why you can't count at. The Patriots but boy. If steadham gets a little bit of throat to the other team Nathan Peterman disease. Could be tough. Have you seen this waiver that SMU's sent out to all players? I was just GonNa. Ask You could see the waiver. Okay, I think we have a picture of it. Do we have a picture of no? We do not have picture. Zoom in on this boy here so this. This here. Zoom in on this. This is the waiver that smu sent to all of their student athletes. Okay, look at this thing. They gotta read through all that initial it sign it the whole thing basically stating I understand that I could get covid nineteen if I workout around other people in I am freeing smu of any blame if I acquire the COVID nineteen. It is a two pager here this is. It. This. Is it right here? All it is right here pretty thorough, pretty indepth, and I would assume that just like we started seeing on the back of tickets and whenever you purchase tickets online. This is going to be the new normal for everybody. Hey, if you want to go public, you want eat food. There's a chance that you are going to end up. covid nineteen and we don't want you to fucking sue us for SMU's getting in front of it. Ohio state was doing the waivers now. Ticketing companies are starting to do it. This is what the new normal going to be and to be honest. Here is pretty thorough. You GotTa initial this thing one, two, three, four, five six seven times. You gotta put your name on there one two three times. Sign it twice. I mean this is a pretty thorough document here. Basically saying Hey, I'm Mike covid nineteen, but I ain't going to take down SMU for. What I assume this is normal for every school in every NFL team that goes back to work and whatever sport. Maybe even whatever job you may go back into the office if you're not back there. Yeah, YOU'RE GONNA have to do this out. Imagine every corporations going to protect themselves. It's like some teams that make you sign a waiver about tornado like if you're going to get it toward all shot before games, whatever sign this waiver to say, you're not gonNA. Sue US twenty years down the road. I didn't have to sign that, but I would have left handed and. Getting left hand me get another toward all shot and right hand Megan and. I signed twice for this thing. It was I can't let. You think they tell these players like hey, take this. Read it over like with your parents or someone you trust or lawyer. Do you think they're telling kids that? Do? I cannot believe you played an entire career. Super Bowl champion career in Ding take twirl I didn't know that was possible. I had no idea that was born the NFL for a guy to become a veteran and not take total. Play in Green Bay man. They don't give them Cincinnati. Pride didn't have enough money to have them right I mean. Did you take it. No I! Didn't I never got one? Why? Why would you not? I thought about it a few times a dental. Roden ankle, really bad or bad bone bruise on my need or something I wanted to. I just never did I. Don't know that's so impressive to me, 'cause there's soon as I was offered it. I tried it I was like well. Don't think I'm ever GONNA. Play a game without this again. And that was that was early years three or whatever I think I had like I tore my meniscus in my knee or something. And it was week eleven, so I had some time left in the season. It wasn't enough to take down, but it was a nuisance torn. meniscus is a nuisance. That's a that's all it is your your leg walk. It'll feel like you're getting stabbed. Obviously both John I have. He probably has no meniscus left. I'm not sure I ever left either, but it is a pain in the ass when it initially happens, and then they're like. Oh, you should try some tour. Does I forget who said it? Somebody trust is like I. Don't know if I WANNA. Get into that right because I saw older guys. Guys it just there was a line like out the door for coaches were their scouts were there the amount of people that are trying to get toward design? I was like I. Don't know if I WANNA get into that and then somebody who's like you should try it and give it a go in my whole body. Just got his warm sensation I didn't even know a Hata Meniscus, or if it was born, I felt like I was the fastest I've ever been. I felt like I could jump higher than I could ever draw in the ball flying off my foot with no up I'm like. This is cheating. Go with. Everybody was doing I'm GonNa take this every single game. The fact that you didn't is insane to me. Is this GonNa take me down eventually you think torn is going to be one gets me. No, that's definitely not. You've got plenty of other things that are gonna come grab and pull you cheese and that. Listening to you describe, it makes me kind of regret that I never did. I. This is how I described it. If you were a chef K, I'm a professional chef. Restaurants in somebody's showed up at my restaurant and said Hey, here's an ingredient. You can put on every single meal. That will make it taste better for everybody if you're a chef. Would you use it? Yeah, Bingo, that's toward I'll is for here's. Here's an ingredient that oh make every single part of your body. Feel better if you use it. Do you want to use it I do okay. That's what that's why whenever the whole thing started happening with the NFL and the NFL PA where they're thinking about banning toward. Toward all for the sake of safety, to which by the way probably accurate, I don't know what the long term studies are. I'M GONNA. Say Ignorance those 'cause. I. Don't WanNa know, but that was whenever the NFL PA came out with. Say Hey, listen you. Guys can do what you need to do with the rules, and we could change these helmets and all that Shit, but do not touch the door. Just you cannot. You cannot get rid of the doorbell. And then that's probably when I soon green bay instituted the ban even more whenever that whole conversation popped up north in Green. Bay stopped longtime ago. I don't know how you guys are. The main doctor. Doc Mackenzie told me long time ago. He hadn't given toward shot years. That's why you guys give up one hundred eighty six. The. NFC Championship game bodies. Our Tired Bodies Sore San Francisco Forty niners route. They're DT. Broken not today here. In the packers players are like. Dragging their legs out there. Let's get to our warm up out here, so my joints given. I mean that's potentially reason why packers loose not talked about enough, not talk the. Last. Like twenty eight hours or something? You feel it the next day you feel. meniscus the next day whenever that was going on Paul so much I almost buckled like whenever the net coming off of it is definitely a nightmare, but if you need it for a certain activity board. It gets. Is it addictive like? Are there guys who needed more than team could give it out I. Don't think guys WanNa use it on the day that I. Don't think there's anybody that was like I need this on a day-to-day basis, but like watching the coaches get in line for was that was Kinda comical on my? Coach. Your fucking asses off you are you don't want to hold back addictive or not, but they're not gonNA give it up for practice out. Imagine, but there's definitely guys that once they start getting it. They're not going to play a game without yeah Bingo I was one of them. Because there's a couple of years where I was probably my most healthy, I'd ever been talking about off season, nutrition and working out and feeling good, and then it came to game day, and I might have had you know maybe some upper whatever and I was like I am definitely getting tour like I am one million percent. Don't get a toward already down. You don't need. This this as Well I'm a medical professional. Mike what I'm a bend over his shit. Right my asterix. Let's get this thing started it was it was next level and I don't sound like. Promoting a drug too much, but if you get an opportunity to get toward all in in your in a situation where you need it. Say, US just say there's toward Hillsdale, right? The the pills don't do. Does does well I don't think the. All the pills stuff that kills your. Liver your liver and she I'm always scared about the pill. Stuff I've always been very scared about the pill stuff because I feel like that. 'cause I drank so much I feel like by shits already ruined so I'm not trying to send him more stuff so I pretty early like you are nothing sober anything, but you stopped like that heavy binge drinking pretty early in your life. I wish I would've stopped about four years earlier to be honest. But we're going. Find out in the back end. How much it really effectively? We're GONNA find. Back in. Walk. Hundred shots at night. Imagine imagine doing I don't know how I did it. How you know. I held and became a professional athlete. Hey. Why does cheeses I know? Geeder came in, and would basically was a part of the group or both marlins right in for five hundred dollars too much pushed Samson out right. Yeah, so, why does jeeter dislike him so much? I mean. We just talked to him for fifteen minutes. You Trust, see why. A lot of people around the Miami out. Was that a lot of people around Miami do not like. I saw. A lot of tweets as a lot of tweets in response to his tweets, which is why I wanted to talk to him even more by the way just because I think he does not care if anybody likes him, and that's probably something. If you're coming into by a team, the person that running it like I'm going to pick somebody that at least want me to enjoy what they're doing if they're going to run the team that I. I just bought. I don't think Samson gives a single fuck about anybody's opinion at all. At all I love it, I absolutely love it, but I'm not gonNA have him be a president of a team that I. Run because it's like you know I would like you to care a little bit about what the public thinks or what I think or maybe not just completely sabotage guys career because we don't want to pay him, I mean he. He was saying to us where you could see why jeeter potentially doesn't like the guy. was but I I WANNA talk to that Guy Right now I wanna talk to him again. He's a scumbag. Any knows it's kind of repression. I did call him aced comeback because. He was talking. Normally, scumbag rates are facing early. He laughed. Also his Stepdad is Jeffrey Loria, who's one of the most hated owners of all time? step-dad or father-in-law father-in-law. I believe Stepdad your. Long. I guess he's got a couple of Rico charges against him that Guy Simpson's our guy for sure but boy. You could see how people potentially not like it. Did anything come that I? I read a little bit about that like the Rico charges today drinks. Acquitted what happened I think there was a settlement possibly. As what the Expos when he sold the Expos? and. Samson also has that going against him like nobody likes like legacies, coming up and trying to run the team and do like when you're step has all this cash and has high has a bunch of power like it's already. You're already fighting uphill battle. If you're his kiner step kid yeah well. That's because you are. You don't have an uphill battle in real life so that you have a public perception in your. If you have a public job, especially very easy to hate somebody that has been given a lot of people's is a head start in life, which by the way a lot going on in the world that rain currently is because of the head. Start that different people have on life, but whenever you're at that level, it's like. You know what and especially, if you just own the fact that you're a savage, don't care I mean and that David. Jordan I love the conversation with the guy I very much enjoyed. Legal. Jerry Crossfield era. Voter I would assume jeeter knows how he is from when he was playing to. You know like if he's that that open about doing that stuff with players like I'm sure jeeter knew that when he was a player like I would like that guy to talk baseball more. I would like David Sampson and potentially get a little bit more spotlight just could hear what the fuck comes out of that guy's mouth. Feel like he has stories, and he's ready to tell them ready to shed PASSAN's next book. Maybe does on, you know big Dave, answer should ask him how he feels about jet passing that. As a missed opportunity reached back out there and we'll get going on next week. Some tecom back Z.. Let's. I must send them a DMZ. Passionate passing on earlier today, didn't you? Okay here you. Eucalypt you sent me a message and said why are you talking? I. Don't know if I could read this exact messing cat You. Say You WanNa come on. He he seemed I. I call them scumbags. Like all them scumbags, you'd. You've just ask why we were talking to him. That's that's all. That guy should be the next baseball commissioner Oh. Points there's no way that guy might. He would've some. If, he was on that return to sports representing baseball. Off. Tony Clark Clark tried talk to go before talks to me the guy. That Guy Jerry jeeter's paying too much for I mean, what do you want me to do? I'm trying to make these deals. These players stink. What do you want Sampson was wide open, think, jeter this jeter regret buying into the MARLINS and running run the team now that. I mean he went from easily. The most beloved character ever to play baseball seemed like to now dude catch. There's a lot of people talking I. Just checked twitter for the first time shot up net posted these. There's a lot of media people tweeting about what he said about how the media is manipulated for these. David Sampson just came on. Our show caused the. In God out and I think that's exactly how he likes it. Arrived let me cause some chaos and then let me get the hell out here. We'll Samson Shuffle. I didn't see I didn't see what video did you put me calling him a scumbag in his villa? We. We have to show that we are on the side against this. Son of a bitch is probably why I'm getting messages from you. Long video so you might be in. There might be in there. Whenever, he said I tried to give so yesterday I was talking to Ric Bucher on the show. In rebuke or said some things that I want to interrupt and be like well. That's just not the fucking right way to say. We just said that right? I'm in an interesting spot whereas give an example though. It was just tone. It was the way it was the way things I. Don't know it just. It felt rick. Cooper gave us great interview. Big Conversation I learned a lot about it, but there was a couple things he said with town rows like it doesn't feel like that's the right way to say what you say and I. 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You have the biggest brain in this thing and I. Don't really know much about it, but you have always remained optimistic that there's going to be baseball even after last night, rob Manfred put a foot in mouth got A. A disaster say he's not sure. If there's going to be a season, then the players obviously caymans had just tell us when and where because the players want more games in rob obviously just wants to lay in wants less games because he knows. He has to pay him pro-rated salaries. Where do you see this whole thing landing? You think they're gonNA. Play a season. You Got Forty eight games like MLB is wanted this whole time. Now because the problem with a forty eight game season, fifty season somewhere in that vicinity is that MLB understands that it would have to delays so long that it would run the risk of a grievance. Going in the players favor now. The risk isn't all that great, but let let's look at what risk analysis really is here. Let's say that the players were degree for a billion dollars in that. There's a twenty five percent chance that they win. That's two hundred fifty million dollars worth of risk that you as MLB are trying to put rather and at this point when teams are trying to scrimp and save every single dollar that they can two hundred fifty million dollars. Worth of risk simply is not worth it especially when you can take that. Two hundred fifty million, give it to the actual players and get more games played. which is the optimal outcome? Outcome for everybody involved well, that's that's a big part of the reason why I think that they're going to be back in. It's not going to be great season going to be one hundred games. It's probably not going to be eighty one games, but I think when it's all said and done. It's GonNa. Be Somewhere in the range of seventy, and you know what I'll take seventy games at this Kevin. Kevin Youkilis said if it's not any games, talk about it, but that was before the entire situation that has a rose. Seventy game season would be one that I think. The players would even say yes to, but at what point in this week that they have to come to an agreement, then for it to be a seventy game season, or can they delay another weaker to to still fit in seven? Seven Games you know I did the math on this and I looked at five days six days from now. They're being in agreement then on top of that. You got three weeks spring. Training gotTA travel to any. We're looking at like a mid July. Start, so let's say we have ten twelve days in July. We have thirty one days in August and we have thirty days in September I mean that. That gives you seventy something days. You GotTa have a day off every week, but to make up for those days off. You guys doubleheaders so the idea of them playing somewhere in that seventy eight. The synergy before going to the postseason is not farfetched. The problem is every day without an agreement padded. You're just burning daylight and you're losing the chance to play another game. which is why the sense of Of urgency that should have been there for the last two months. Really needs to ramp up right now. The A MLB and the MLB, PA need to sit down whether it is on a zoom call or even in a room and say we're not leaving here until we have an agreed, but it's only getting worse feels like their relationship last night. Rob Manfred when he was talking to Greenberg took like. Like three shots at Tony Clarkin MLB this weekend, we could've sat down and talked, but instead the head of the EPA was telling people that as soon as we make season. They're gonNA. Have a grievance. So that's not it feels like it's only getting uglier from a reality TV drama like situation. Then you see the players coming in what is the word? Why are they keep revolving around? Good faith bad? Bad Faith. I feel like that is a term that is used for breach of contract. That is only reason because you have to negotiate in good faith, so they're saying well. They're in bad faith. They're in bad faith. Why does each side? They're to be a breach of contract so bad. It feels like the MLB started this now. The players have had to answer. Why is that such a big deal? It's a very good legal analysis by you. These letters that are going back and forth are essentially documents that are trying to show just the way that this whole thing is evolving, and if there are if there accusations of bad faith, and they'll be the MLB. Want to say early on. We're not just bringing these accusations out here in an arbitration setting. We've been talking about them. Now. We're trying to get this on the record to show that this is a pattern, and so it's honestly it's mostly saber rattling I mean to really truly be negotiating in bad faith. It's a pretty high standard threshold, but this is just legal maneuvering at this point for the possibility of grievance happening I. Just I. Don't see one happening right now. I think they're to outcomes for this. I think what outcome is that? That? There's a season you know somewhere between sixty five and seventy five games and I think the other is that there's no season at all and I think that both parties recognized. If there's no season, it is an unmitigated disaster for baseball. It is something that will have repercussions ramifications a decade down the road. It is something that would end up with people losing their jobs whether it is rob Manfred Tony Clark. Like I think people at this point are as much in self preservation mode as they are. Hey, let's bring baseball back for the fans. Jeff Jeff, as long, even though that it takes if it takes self-preservation to get baseball back on the field. Fine with me, we'll go ahead. Preserve Yourself. Yeah, but that guy talking last night rob Manfred it looked like he had no idea that there was no snow MLB season that it'll be catastrophic to this sport. It looked like he did not care if there was a chance that it was just. I think the presentation of Rob. Manfred was just as bad as the words that he was saying. Everything was bad by that guy. It was a calculated. Tire fire like it was really really bad and I think the I think. The intent was to to try and show that the players are not coming to the table, and that they're not bargaining in good faith. And how can we get back on the field if the players aren't willing to talk? What they didn't recognize was the power and simplicity of the statement that the MLB. PA has been making over the last few days. Tell us when tell us where it is so beautiful and perfect and simple, and you know I think when you say something like that. The people listening tend to forget that the players are fighting for money here. That's what this fight has been. been about this entire time and yet if you're not thinking about the fact that it is something for money. If you're thinking, all the players want to do is play. You're going to get on the players side because all you want. The players to do is play. Jeff there has never been, and I'm thirty three I guess. I've done through two of these in my. My Sport, but in other sports you look back. There has never been a time where the fans are on the players side of collective bargaining. It's it's unbelievable to see, and it's like I wonder if it's if it's part of a shift in society, look, we have all kinds of societal shifts going on right now and the notion Matt. Labor is making a comeback as you know corporations have been union busting for decades now is a novel one, not one that I'm going to jump entirely on board with at this point especially when that organized labor is in the form of people who are making more money than you know, the average person can possibly fashion, and yet it's the ideals for which there standing that I think really resonate. We want to work. We want to do what we're great APP. We want to do what we love. In any time. A person here's that adds a really strong message that think. You know goes across. Age goes across. Race goes across sex everyone. Has That feeling? If you have something, you're passionate about something that you love doing and somebody is trying to stop you from doing that. That person is the one in the wrong, not you in two thousand ten when the CBA was. Agreed to for the NFL, it was alleged Jeff, Saturday and Robert Kraft sat down, and basically got to Maurice Smith out of the way, and all the lawyers out of the way and a player in Robert. Kraft sat down at the end of the day and we're like. Hey, let's get this thing done. Let's knock us out. Is that something that the MLB is going to have to see where maybe some of these players who are all fired up? Hey, listen Tony Clark. We appreciate the hell out of you, but he's. He's gotten to a point now where you are just going to war with this man for guy, we are not going anywhere for. We're only going back with. Do you see a time where potentially rob Manfred and maybe Tony Clark kind of get cut out of the situation, and it goes players to owners, or are the owners one hundred percent behind everything that rob Manfred. Saying because that is the job of the commissioners, speak for the owners and be the bad guy I mean. The owners have been driving rob Manfred. Tack this entire time, and the the criticism of him I think it's fair. Is that while commissioners duty? is to the owners. That's what his job is. It is also to the sport, and you have to be able and willing to stand up and fight for the integrity of the sport and right now. Baseball's integrity is in the toilet swirling around. It's embarrassing. What happened to the sport? You know when the commissioner who has a hand in everything that is going on calls it a disaster himself. I wrote this today. That is the worst cell phone you can imagine. It's a disaster, but because you brought it. Run, it's just as disaster. Think about that. It's just a disaster like I wanna know what Greenberg was thinking. Whatever that Greenberg was probably like I. Have to stop you right there. Are Half of it by the way they got a good shot of these lubaton shoes I. Don't know if you saw that. When he was behind the red bottoms, Greenie was in his full suit last night that return to sports. Thing was awesome. You had a pretty large role in that thing in by the way in this entire thing. Jet Passan's name is directly linked to wall of it so if baseball gets canceled, think there's a lot of people. Hanging there are a lot of people that are potentially going to cancel. Jet Passes Well I. DON'T WHY get bumped? Patrick you're GonNa make sure that that doesn't happen. You got you got. Got Power I listen the greatest thing that has happened in this totally awful year is the budding romance between us? You're great, and and it has. It has been a very fruitful relationship so far and I'm very appreciative. Joy Talking to you I started reading your book. The arm which you've been on her show. Ten Times in a guy in this room didn't even know you're an author. I mean so. That's a little bit of A. The Slap in the face from this guy. See where it says jury, just slapping, review and times bestseller. Though that's that's, it's not an Steve. How many do you by yourself? How many of those did you lie yourself? Too many. That's why you gotta get yourself on the list. Don't spend four years working on a book only for it not to make the list. Got To. When do you think like? Are you getting updates currently from players from from the MLB? Do you think these conversations that seem to have come to a complete standstill? Get back rolling here in the moments and understanding the moment needs to happen now. Do you think that's going to continue to happen here next couple days? Yeah, there, there are two courses of action that I think could take place and this. This is just from talking with people around the game and saying hey, when you. This thing's going to get done one of them. Is that over the next seventy two hours? They're going to recognize that. They need to put out this fire. And that the only way to do it is to get an agreement in place quickly and get things rolling in change the narrative I also think that there's the. That the players feel in themselves right now, and they should be because they have handled this extraordinarily well, because they are in the position of power at this point, and if they go back to Major League baseball with an offer and say you know we're. We're ready to negotiating. We're GONNA stick with the eighty nine games that we suggested last time that could slow things down a little, but if the players association bills back to MLB an says you know what we say we wanNA play, and we understand the financial situation that you're in right now because everybody is being affected by this fantastic. Let's go down to eighty games if they're down somewhere in the range of like eighty to eighty four games in the in a an offer that they send over the league. I think this in can move quickly and listen I hope it does because. We. To go to Wisconsin. Hang out with my inlaws this weekend. Drink beer by by a lake and go waterskiing and I really don't WanNa all along my camera and. Kaos treat that makes you have your suit and tie for the big boy. ESPN stuff you always. Idea I don't travel anywhere without A. Thought of you shot gunning a beer on a lake in Wisconsin and then getting textra Manfred or some saying it's over and be like. Oh, well you go! Like anchorman from back in the day gigs when he got jettas, Ernie chance that Manfred like you said, it needs to put out the fire, but is he making this fire bigger because he doesn't want any focus on the Yankees cheating letter scandal? A lot of people are saying this is all one big cover up to hide pinstripes. Cheating allegations. I listen I'm I am all about the conspiracy theory and Sports I love the frozen envelope by love the Jays Africa. Love all those different things I think. This is much ado about nothing i. think what the Yankees did was cheap I think. We know that though I think they cheated like the red sox did early on before before there were mandates in place from the League saying saying really not use technology in this fashion. I think the Yankees use the replay room and I think they relayed signs to second base and I think the same thing that happened to the red. Red Sox or that? The Red Sox did the Yankees were doing I. Don't think this is some sort of grand giant conspiracy, though like the the Astros banging on a trash can i. don't think it was at that level, but the idea that the New York Yankees weren't doing. Something is foolish and I. Don't think anybody who knows. Anything believes that the Yankees are completely innocent. Here I think what they did is just the equivalent of misdemeanor, whereas the Astros were committed felony after felony. Well see and people would say the you because you're on ESPN. You're trying to cover up for the. We will. Trust me I get I get that from Houston. Every I'm not trying to cover up anything. The Yankees did stuff like mark. Shera in a Sherman column back in February admitted to everything that they were doing that point, and and it's it's wrong and if if there is a punishment that comes down the Yankees for that I think that it's totally reasonable, but man. I think one thing I do think about baseball is that it wants to get cheating out of the conversation. Lines I totally agree with that. I Disagree Jeff. Did you see that thirty for thirty long gone summer just on Sunday night there on your network boy. Barbarians were eating. All of the steroids baseball had been never been hotter I. Mean I completely forgot how big that was in nine, hundred, Ninety, eight I was eleven at the time, not nine two years difference but I was eleven at the time, and even I remember baseball. Is the dream of the MLB to hopefully one day. Get back to where they were in one hundred ninety eight in. Do you ever see that happening? Absolutely. That's the dream I mean. was in the the nationals Zeitgeist in, and it is not. It has not been there since and so two to have someone or something that thrusted out front like that would be the dream of every sports league. It's why the NBA is as popular as it is because it has characters who are compelling because Lebron James Is Lebron James to me is the most incredible athlete of my lifetime, and that includes Michael Jordan and here's why. Listen I'm not I'm not saying that Lebron. James is a better basketball player that Michael Jordan I. Don't think he is what I am saying. Is that Lebron James was on the cover of sports illustrated teenager. He had all the pressure that people in Hollywood when their. Kid Actors Face and how many times is a kid actor? CAL OP in turn out not just to be a reasonable human being, but but somebody who is trying to actively change society with his platform. Somebody. WHO's trying to do good someone who's a good father someone who's a good husband? Someone is all of these things that Lebron James has has become. It's incredible to me that that amount. Amount of pressure that he felt from a very young age. He has handled that he has weathered it, and he has taken that little ball of clay that he was molded into something absolutely beautiful. Hey, that was a beautiful sentiment aside from MacAulay Culkin, I'm not sure anybody has done other than the broad gentlemen joining us now, the young phenom, the prodigy of baseball coverage for ESPN Jeff Passan. And joining us now, a man who knows things about things, one of the voices of hockey, very handsome man, very intelligent man. Last time he was on, he agreed with me that Sidney crosby greatest hockey player on Earth Ladies and gentlemen. Pierre McGuire. Ready to go. To pay when fan, Hey, I don't want to misquote you. Don't me. Let's talk about Gary. Bettman last night and the NHL the. The NHL has been very smart with this they there was a leak of what format would-be if there was a two thousand fourteen tournament that Gary Bettman got on NHL Network and he said Hey, this is our roadmap to return I think we talked after that about the roadmap to return and last night Gary Bettman Octa Greenberg which basically was saying. Saying, Hey, we are still all systems go. We're trying to figure out the finer details. What is the thought in your eyes in the conversation? You've heard about the NHL NHL, potentially taking advantage of this couple week period, where it might not be any other leagues competing other than the MLS at that time, well first of all, we had an amazing spirit of cooperation between the players. Association Emily Number One. Number two the players in our league. Really do want to play what they need to know what they're actually playing for because they've been paid for the calendar season twenty. Nineteen, thousand, nine, hundred, twenty, twenty, so their paychecks. So. That's one of the things they need to find out. Are the playing for a collective bargaining agreement? That's years to run, or are they playing for bonus structure? What are they actually playing for? WHO's GONNA cover their disability insurance if something happens with corona buyer, so they're still some pending issues, but the thing that I really Myers the problem solving abilities of Commissioner Bettman Bill Daley as deputy and Donald fear the NHL players, associates. They've done a great job in terms. Terms of having huge communication. That's not normal and I would assume because the paychecks have already been received. That conversation is going a lot smoother than in other sports, but has the conversation directed in the fashion. That Hey July. Twenty Eighth NFL teams are reporting. July thirty first the NBA supposed to happen July eighth. The MLS is happening, but aside from that in July wnba also playing while no fences WNBA, but I think there's some weeks there where the NHL could. Could potentially captivate and draw. Some is that they don't normally get especially in the time that we're coming out of this quarantine. Has that been a conversation or is there? No real timelines set all in all? That's definitely been part of the conversation. Pack your rate on top of it, and here's one thing. We've got a date of July tenth, which we didn't have before the lifestyle you and I spoke I said there's gotta be starting date and finally they came. Came up with on July ten, so I think that's really appropriate. What you're saying. The other thing that's important for people understand. We have seven teams in Canada. Six of those seventeen will be in this tournament. The two thousand fourteen tournament only one will miss Ottawa in Canada now there's a fourteen day quarantine period, so if a player let's say there's an American born player use Blake Wheeler example Minnesota Guy who plays for the Winnipeg jets. Let's say he crossed the. The border went back. MINNESOTA, what's he comes back to Canada? He's got quarantine for fourteen days now. That could be amended by the Canadian government in the provincial governments, but that's one of the issues that they're trying to sort out right now. Okay, so everybody assumed that there's going to be to hub cities for this thing I didn't even know that there was a chance. Go Back to Canada once they lock into this two thousand fourteen tournament Las Vegas seems to. To be a locked. They have the most hotel rooms in America. They're ready to get one hundred and forty four thousand rooms or something. They are ready to be locked down. They have good practice facility. They have a good arena and the Golden. Knights are in this thing, so I think that'll be a big deal now in the eastern time zone. I think is what you told us. Last time is what they're looking at. Pittsburgh was thought Columbus seems to be. Be Very hot spot because their practice facility is right across the street from their arena. Would teams now Toronto all depending upon that quarantine period that you just talked about? Would teams be living in these cities full-time in hotels for so if this is in Columbus? Would that fourteen Dang Corentin and candidate even matter them because the teams were all locked in Columbus, no matter would be when teams come back for training camp if they were to have training camps their. Their own facilities before they could do that. They'd have to quarantine, but you're raising another really interesting issue. Let's just say it happens to be Toronto. The other pod city were the Canadian government force. These players that are coming across the border in. Let's just say the Eastern Conference in Toronto rather than in Vegas. Would they have to quarantine before they got on the ice? So this is part of the issue that people are trying to sort out right now well. The training camp. They're trying to put in at least two weeks for everybody for training. Camp I feel like hockey closer to three pet so three week training camp then we get into the twenty four team thing and two hubs. If the fourteen day quarantine happens for those five or six candidate teams. That's what they need five weeks then to be able to get in shape 'cause they're going to be locked into their rooms at least until I, get up there. There's A. A lot to still be figured out here hotter hundred percent, and that's why they're still I talked to a couple of players this morning at a rink around Boston here I am right now. A couple players. They stay there so a lot of things that have to be honored out, but again I have to stress his for our fans. That I'm so glad that you have this opinion, because it's a stronger one in rents needs with the fans. It's an important one. Arlene has really been at the forefront of this I I'm so proud of being in this. I've been in this league over thirty years, and I'm so proud of the way Gary, Bettman channel things have so proudly Donald Fears. Players have been phenomenal with the coaches. It's been great. There's no perfect system pat. There's no perfect way to handle this, but I think we're as close to perfect as you can be a lot of behind closed doors. Conversations drama isn't getting married out, so the grievances that potentially players might have whether it's health. Reasons travel reasons. They're going through the channels that are happening behind closed doors with Batman, and then whenever it seems like Batman comes out, it's like hey, okay, here we go. This is what we're going to try to do, but there's no foot in mouth situation like rob. Manfred that guy was your commissioner how to swim? You'd retire. Is that what you would do? You would stop by. Your Assistant. What type of teams, and what teams have benefited most from this time off as far as injuries and players getting back on the ice that they were originally out for the year. That's a great question for instance Columbus Get set Jones Back Twenty six minute game players, so that's going to help them on defense I look at the Pittsburgh Penguins Getting Jake Gansel back. He's a potential fifty goal scored this year. That helps a lot with their internal chemistry. At the Boston Bruins are veteran team, but what I liked about the Bruins is on every one of their defense. Can they have a young guy who's an elite mover? Search Charlie mcevoy was Dana Chara Matt Grizz. Look, you know you look at him with Brandon. Carl, and then you look at our through, and then you look at Machias like playing deeper lineup was Steve Moore. They got that unbelievable death on their defense and I think the young legs will help them with the veteran presence I, think Austin benefits do is older. Guys got a bit of arrest Pierre. Who Do you think's GonNa? Win Cova cut man. Morad Mac of these pick. Penguins you think payments GonNa, win. No. Patrick. You. Don't do you send you. You said any team to win, but the penguins. That is what you just said right there. Hey, there's a lot of hockey. Surrounding the Buffalo Sabres right now. I I assumed that the Buffalo Sabres were in this twenty four team tournament. I assume dominant cash. Turns out. He's not on the team. Sabres are in a tournament, but they are making big news. Because one of their young players came out, and said like I'm tired of being a part of losing organization this morning. They fire their GM. They move forward. What is it GONNA be like? What are the next steps for? The sabres potentially get back into relevancy. Well. They've hired. Hired former Buffalo Saber. Kevin Adams won that. Stanley Cup at the Carolina hurricanes in two thousand six. He's going to be the general manager. He's been around the Buffalo Sabres Organization for lowering up. Three of the men at the top of the food chain of Buffalo got released their duties Jason. former assistant Jim Berg, randy, Sachs, and the former director of player personnel in Pittsburgh. And also Steve Really, so. They fired the top of the food chain. They're so big significant changes in Buffalo Pat. Are you ever thinking about getting back into the Scout? GM coach world? I told you I'm coming to be your system. That's only if rob man for his way over to the NHL, but that is something that happens in our world in the in the football world, a lot of commentators lot of people that call the game they kind of you learn about everybody right so you're getting inside information from coaches. You're watching so many games you're plugged in. You are more plugged into the NHL than most people even people that are in the league. Don't have to know as much about everybody. Has the thought ever been like? Hey, I should get back into the scouting roggio. Doing what you do I, really love working for NBC sports. Pads it's unbelievable. My superiors there Sam Flood and Mark Lazarus have been tremendous people to work with a lot of major breakthroughs of happened on our network because of the inside glass position that Sam Flood. Ever saw created about fifteen years ago. It's been great I've got young children are they're very athletic in college? One's about to go to college, so we'll see what happens down the road, but I like what I do right now. Yeah, let's do it right down June sixteenth I'M GONNA. Write this down because I. Keep all my papers right here. June sixteenth Pierre hinted at hinted at returning to potential general manager team headed hinted at go ahead dukes Guy Nick. If you could play the role of Gary Bettman as GM for one day. What something you would like to see, implemented or changed amongst the League? Nick? That's a good question. One of the things I'd like to see probably is at We got another team in Quebec I think that the Quebec market if I can be the commissioner of the League for one day. That'd be something I'd really like to see happen. Because a retreat, unbelievable rivalries in Canada and the Quebec. Market I think is one of the best markets for. For Hockey. They lost their team to Colorado. The Colorado Avalanche went on to win two Stanley Cups after they left back, but I I'd like to see that happen team in Quebec, we so, do you think they should have rather gone to Quebec rather than Seattle? No, I I think going to Seattle is great. I think potentially if there ever had to be a franchise relocation. I'd like to see that team relocate to Quebec. Market Okay Hey look at you and making it look at it. He's a commission. Going to be a GM in the league, Daddy's inside the Glass Pierre. You having a hell of a performance. I JUST WANNA go watch football game with you man. Hey, let's do it. Do you live in Boston full-time Diamond Between Boston? Connecticut so I'm in a lot of places. For me, that might as well just be the same. During the same, you're up there. You're upper rights of America. Upper right exactly some July tenth. You said that date is that for training camp for Games. What is that for any camp that that's for training camp so right now they're doing free. Skate open is guys can go in and get workouts. Only six people can be on the is. They have to be socially distanced, but then July tenth is one every team assuming is GonNa do training camp at their own place. If they can figure out how Canada. How can I get past the Corinthian thing? On the other thing is no coaches on the straight now, Patrick guys are kind of doing it on their own, and the other thing is. Let's just say you played for the Indianapolis Colts and they have the same thing happening in football and you were living in Pittsburgh you could go train at the Pittsburgh facility and not in the indie facility. You didn't want to raise up a big issue for you, but that's something you. You could do I mean that and that's what's happening in hockey there. Guys that are living in Boston that. Don't play for the Bruins. That would be training in Boston. If all that's incredible, that is really good for the community. There of hockey out assumed that guy's each other to and every now they're skate on. Say My socially distancing. Obviously, let's say my peer with the no coaches on the ice I did hear that Mario. cranberry with the boys on the ice. I mean say nothing if that means that they're guaranteed the win the Cup bar twice. You know one thing I can say about Mario's nickname ace and one of the greatest privileges I had in. My life was a chance to actually work with him. Spend time with them. I was a coach. He was a player, but in the summertimes. When we go back to our home base is in Canada. I skated with him a lot in the summer. Man, oh, man, as a players is. He's a better person Maryland Muse an unbelievable guy and he cares so much about the banks in the city of Fitchburg. I can't say enough things about Mary Oh. Yeah, he tried to buy the Pittsburgh pirates, but that's stupid family that owns a parts. And sell it to them I mean. The I didn't know. We call them ace when I call him his second greatest player of all time behind Sidney crosby. Off Patrick. Juicy that video of Sydney Skating on ice. The first time back he looked like he was skating around his living room like Mary Louise to have his kid growing up the ice in the House always pretty amazing about that whole thing was reaction to the fans in Pittsburgh when that actually happened in Sydney and the guys went back on Gansel his on there. It just speaks to. To the marketplace how it's ball over time, it's just a phenomenal market really is right, and I think a lot. More places become a hockey market whenever they get a chance to watch NHL for the first time starting here in the next couple of weeks Pierre I, appreciate your service to the show I appreciate your service, the hockey and I thank you for your time today, Sir Patrick, it's always a pleasure being. Thank you very much for having me on I. Look Forward To Watch football game whether we could have some fun. Okay sounds good to me and I look forward to watching the hockey game alongside user anytime. Well I'M GONNA. Bring my stick. Between the benches with them. Little little attention on the lower hand. Just relax the lower hand, a little bit now I'm getting slashed I know. The game. Ladies and Gentlemen MB NBC Sports Legend Pierre McGuire. All right all right big things so the guests today even the one that I called a scumbag. That's the first time I have ever. Done that to a guess show. But what he was saying was so raw so real so true and so insane to learn about. Hope? He didn't take any offense to I. mean it was kind of offensively you get it. Are Back tomorrow with the feel Good Friday bill. Polian is on the shell what? Undertake what did. Big Show tomorrow telephone and tele friend. Ernest thing together Tyson. Please play some independent music.

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