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Wrongful Conviction with Jason Flom - Julius Jones - with Kim Kardashian West

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37:38 min | 2 months ago

Wrongful Conviction with Jason Flom - Julius Jones - with Kim Kardashian West

"On July twenty eighth nineteen. Ninety, nine in Edmond Oklahoma business owner Paul Howell, was returning to his parents home with his sister and two daughters after shopping for school supplies upon exiting the vehicle, he was shot twice and killed for his GMC suburban Paul sister would describe the shooter as an African American Male, wearing a Red Bandanna, cross his face and a stocking cap with up to an inch of hair, sticking out from the bottom. Investigators would tap confidential informants in the stolen car trade that would deflect from themselves and point police in the direction of Chris Jordan and Julius Jones. Chris Jordan would go on to give a confession that was riddled with inconsistencies blaming Julius Jones for the murder, but on the night of July Twenty Eighth Julius was at home with his family. The following night July twenty ninth Chris Jordan slept at the Joneses home, and that's when he planted the murder weapon in a second story crawlspace something he admitted most of the police and to to jailhouse informants. On July thirtieth police would find the gun exactly where Chris Jordan had told him to look and emerge with it wrapped in a Red Bandanna. Theresa's defense at trial failed to present any evidence including a photo taken by police after a traffic stop just ten days earlier that would have ruled him out as a potential match to the only eyewitness description Chris Jordan on the other hand, received leniency for testifying against Julius, and he's been out of prison since two thousand fourteen Julius. Remains on death row for crime for which Chris Jordan has bragged about Framingham. On this episode we team up with one of Julius severe cest advocates Kim Kardashian West as we speak with his attorney, Dale Bache and his mother and sister. Madeline Antoinette Jones. This. It's wrongful conviction with Jason Flom. If you'd like to help support us as we continue to tell these stories of triumph over tragedy, unequal justice and actual innocence each week. You can do it now with the purchase of a I mean. It's really nice. Trust me. You can get a brand new wrongful conviction, podcast, T, shirt, coffee, Mug, or reusable water bottle go to wrongful conviction. PODCASTS DOT COM, that's rough, conviction podcast, dot, com and Click on store. Today we're here to talk about Julius Jones. WHO's been on death row in Oklahoma for over twenty years for crime, eating commit. And I'd like to welcome very special guest. You'll recognize her name and you recognize her from having been on this podcast before Kim. Kardashian west welcome back to wrongful conviction Jason Farm. Thank you for having me again? I can't overstate the importance of you being here today with us Cam, because if we don't take every possible action that we can, and I mean the audience to Julius will be executed in Oklahoma as early as this fall crime. We know he didn't commit Cam. Can you tell us when you first heard about this case? Yeah, I I started to receive letters. They were from a woman named Terry McCarthy. Thirty letters from her, and she was kind of reiterating the same information about. And mentions the documentary with Villa Davis, so I thought I. Have to look into this. And I say this all the time because we have such an amazing group of people between you and Scott Budnick my attorneys and everyone. When all of the big players really feel the same way about a case. I know that we have to be loud. And I feel in my soul that we are early enough because an execution date for Julius hasn't been set yet. That I just I feel like now is the time where we all just have to come together and really make a difference in his life. What about this particular case about his case makes you so passionate and what sticks out to you the most about Julia's case? There's a few things being young honor roll student athlete. You have your whole life ahead of you. Everyone around always says what an amazing person! He is the grow up with him his coaches. And then to see getting caught up with the wrong group of people. And getting, set up the way he was just really rubbed me the wrong way that someone's life, a young kids life was just taken away. It always goes back to me. Thinking about what if that was my son? What would I do if my son got set up like this, so we gotta fight for this guy. We got help him. Get his life back. The next voice you hear is going to be the voice of Dale Bache an assistant public defender who is definitely doing his part to help to unravel this nightmare. When did you get involved with it? In Two thousand and sixteen, our office was appointed to represent Julius in clemency proceedings now can you walk us through the case shore on July twenty eighth, nineteen ninety nine, according to Chris Jordan, who is? Is the CO defendant in this case, he and Julius were driving around looking for a suburban to Jack. They spotted a car, followed it into a neighborhood and according to Chris Jordan Julius jumped out of the car when the car pulled into the driveway and shop Paul Howell when Chris Jordan was taken into custody. That's what he told. The police and they immediately focused on Julius Tunnel Vision, said it. But what we now know is Chris made seven different statements to the police, and those statements were inconsistent, and at one point the police. Say what you're telling us. It's not adding up. We don't have this backwards, do we? So? The police knew that there were problems with what Chris was telling them, but the police continue to focus on Julius. Something really struck me as I was reading about this case, which was that when the gun was hidden in Julius? This house obviously very damning for anyone. Anyone to have the murder weapon found in their home. Well, we know that when Chris was interviewed by the police, he was asked, so you hit the murder weapon? And he responded yeah. Chris also told one of the men that he spoke to while in custody in the county jail that he wrapped the gun used to commit the murder and hit it in Julius Parents House. We understand that Chris was sitting in a police car outside of Julius House after the police stormed the home and then went. Went looking for the gut and immediately went to where we Chris told them the gun would be located. We also know that there were other people involved namely Kermit Laudi and Adele King that had a lot to gain by pointing in Julius Direction and away from themselves. Can you tell us about kermit and the DEL Kermit? LAUDI was a man who ran a chop shop on the south side of Oklahoma City, and it was a well known establishment. The trade of stealing cars Ladele king was a close. Close confidant of Kermit's and was known for his involvement in that trade, the Dell King was also a confidential informant and in exchange for providing information to the police. He would be allowed to carry on with some of his illegal activities at the time of Julius trial. The Dell King was facing bogus check charges and is a habitual offender. He was looking to twenty years and in exchange for his testimony. He got ten years probation. LADELE was one of the guys that pointed the finger at Julius. So, this paints a pretty strong picture of A. Sort of a unit right, you had a Chris Jordan. who was a troubled kid? You have these two other known criminals particularly ensconced in the stolen car business, and then you have a car that gets stolen in violent robbery, tragic death, but we know a number of things that would make anyone go wait. For instance we know that the number shell-casing staff at the scene was something that was known in volunteered by Chris in his interrogation before the police even asked or suggested. We know that the witnesses were incentivize. We know that the description. Mashes someone very much Chris Jordan. Who Does it look like Julius Megan Toby? Mr Hall's sister was in the car with him when he pulled into the driveway, and she testified that she saw the person who shot her brother, and she described him as African American, wearing a red Bandanna across his face, wearing a black stocking cap, and half an inch of hair, hanging out from under the cap would critical about that is Julius were. His hair closed crop. Short Chris Jordan on the other hand, wore his hair in braids. And how do we know that Julius is? Hair was was short ten days prior to Mr Hall's murder Julius got picked up on a traffic stop and had a mugshot taken so there's an official government photo of Julius with short hair, and that photograph was never shown to the jury at trial we also know that Julius was at home with his family at the time Mr Howell was shot and killed, and later that evening Chris in Julius were supposed to drive down to Norman Oklahoma which is about twenty minutes. Minutes south of Oklahoma City Julius was at home, getting a little agitated because Chris said he would be there early in the evening, and Kristen show up until close to midnight. We also have with US Julius, his sister Antoinette and his mother Madeline now here you have a son who is excelling in so many ways co captain of three different sports teams in high school academic scholarship at Oklahoma University, great looking young man, with his whole life, laid out in front of him, and then everything takes a terrible terrible turn wail, first of all is been twenty plus year shock. and. I really can't often find the worst. Explain what it's been like. Get blindsided. It sure seems like you went from the American dream to the. Nightmare, let's go to that fateful night July, twenty eighth, nineteen ninety, nine. Can you tell us what was happening that night? And why and how you know that Julius could not possibly been there. That was kind of a busy day for us. Now trying to do Internet hair was fixing. Spaghetti but Jesus. was there all day long? Play monopoly. There are few of US Lemon I. Believe was there when monopoly? And my oldest brother Antonio. and. another young man that was over there. They got mad at me because I gave her my money or property. Had to do that because I had to get my hair done, so it's specific things like that like I know that it was around, Jesus birthday, Jesus friend had a big chocolate chip cookie this. She gave him for his birthday Tony Cab, going in and out of the refrigerator to take pieces of cookie in later on a day, my brother Antonio had to go to work. My mother went to go take him to work. Julius. He's all my goodness. He was like who ate my cooking I, kid you not. He waited at the back door in the kitchen, pacing back and forth waiting for mom to come on. Say could tell if somebody aid is could be. I kinda was like well, you know. I was like Tony H occurred. In so I'll never forget that, so it doesn't seem like someone who just murdered somebody would be particularly concerned over how much of a cookie was left in the refrigerator or not I? Mean that's just one of many many things you know so July twenty eighth. He's home with. You sounds like sort of a typical family night, but then things changed dramatically in the next thirty six hours right the twenty ninth Chris's at your home, right? I know that he spent the night that night, which is when we believe that he had the opportunity to plant the gun. Do you recall Chris being at Your House that night Thursday? Was Trash Day and jus use. Take some trash out. Sometimes we sit and talk on the walkway, but Chris was kind of like a shadow. Was There Antoinette? Were you there that night you remember? Chris was at the House. I know Chris was there because I heard him. Come upstairs and go into the room. Net was Julius very next day the police would surround the Jones's house Julius family was perp walked out of their own home and Chris Jordan would be in a police car. To tell them exactly what the murder weapon was hidden. Julius was appointed a good attorney. Mr Berry Albert who is known for his skill, and Unorthodox but effective courtroom style, but Mr Albert. She can't believe this would die. He died shortly before the trial leaving his new public defenders woefully unprepared so much so that they didn't put on any defense whatsoever when it came time for Julius to present his case, the lawyers simply stood up and said the defense rests. The lawyers did not put on testimony from the family who would have presented alibi. The lawyers did not investigate and present evidence from two people who were in jail, who didn't know each other and independently came forward. Forward and said that Chris Jordan told them that he said Julia saw he told one of the man that he planted a weapon in Julius, his house and he told both of the men that he would be getting out of prison after serving a fifteen year sentence in exchange for his testimony against Julius the inconsistent statements that Chris made to the police, stirring his interrogation, were never explored by the defense when they had an opportunity to cross examine Chris. It's an inexplicable lapse in fact. It's totally understandable why the jury would've voted to convict any information to work with except with the state was saying, what was it like a senior baby? Going through this trial will lead to begin. I was very confident because attorney that we had Mr Abbott. He was very thorough and he talked to us, and he said I just need to get Chris on. The stand missed Abbott had a plan. Before, he passed away the opponent attorneys. They wanted more time, and then after he passed away, then they wanna take mutedly started with trialing everything, and we were there every day, but one of the excuses. After MS, Abbot had passed, they said the reason they didn't call us on the stand to after they had sentenced Julius because They didn't know we were they are it was just a mockery I was devastated? I was devastated when I heard the where we wrists I. Think I was a loaded in thirteen at. I didn't understand how you couldn't put people on a stand to help my brothers defense. There was no defense. They're. In it I mean it just. PISSES ME? I? Just I try to picture. You really spoke eloquently about this before, but putting someone we love or yourself if you're in the audience, but yourself in the shoes of a guy who's add trial for his life literally. And his lawyers are doing absolutely nothing to help him. How can that be? How could that stand? And by the way, is that why you're taking the bar? I'm taking it just because I. I WANNA know more if I. Don't know a lot about the system, and how the law actually works than I feel like I can't help as many people I know we can get a lot done but i. feel like I could on a different level so. That's why I am taking it, but it infuriates me to hear when cases when there is ineffective counsel. It just makes me so mad especially if it's an appointed attorney that you think that if you don't have the money to afford an attorney in, so you're getting appointed one that they're going to be ineffective, not help, but actually hurt your case so much I mean I. Don't know how I could live with myself if I was an attorney like that, you know for me. Any injustice troubles me, but this one sticks in my. My mind because there he is on death row in basically the closest thing we have to hell on earth, and you know I wanted to ask you about that. How do you feel about the death penalty in general? You know what I'm just not for the death penalty. No matter what you know, obviously, there are people that have done really horrific things and definitely deserve to be behind bars, but I don't believe in taking a life that I think especially with Julius case. He just didn't get a fair trial. Bottom line so. I think that especially. If there is even a chance that someone is innocent and their life would be taken. We've just seen it happen too many times for this to still be happening. On. The I can't support it. For people who are listening now, what could you say to them when they end up serving on jury which? Let's face it all of us at some point, get one of the jury duty notices and Look at it and you go and non now. I gotta to disrupt my life. It's literally by dream to do that I hope that when I get like jury. Duty that it some. Case that. I can make a difference in. No one wants to get the wrong person because it also prevents getting the right person. So, and in this case I mean it's a tragedy. What happened to this family that they lost the sky by all accounts was a good guy, and we want justice for him to, but there is no justice when you have the wrong person in prison I think you have to be extremely sensitive with the families that are involved here, my compassion for helping someone, and I'm not just speaking about Julius. It can be anyone never. Never takes away my empathy for the family of the victim, and ultimately we all have the same goal is like what you just said is making sure that the right person is put behind bars, and that the innocent person is able to be freed from this nightmare that they're in I. Mean as we've heard a chili's his trial. The defense didn't even give the jury much information to work with, but believe it or not. It gets even worse during the trial in the jury room. One of the Jurors said out loud. Why are we wasting our time here? We oughta just take that in out back and bury barium outside the jail. And one of the jurors approached a bailiff and told him what she heard and asked to talk to the judge on the record. The judge sort of dismissed it as well. He could have been talking about Osama bin Laden. We don't know who the juror was talking about. Take, the N. word out of the equation, you still have a juror who made up his mind and was going to convict. Julius and sentenced him to death a throw the N. Word in there and the racism is just losing from this case, we also know that between nineteen, ninety, five and two, thousand and twelve, there was a study conducted in the Homa on race in the death penalty. The authors concluded that an African American male who is convicted of killing a white male is three times more likely to get the death penalty in home. So at trial, racism incentivized lying witnesses and no defense whatsoever, so dale. Would you took on this case? You guys had your work. Cut Out for you to say the least, but there was a new line place in Oklahoma that allowed you to do. DNA testing and post conviction, so he attested the Red Bandana right. It was sitting in in evidence for almost twenty years Dr Shapiro used to be. Be With the Department of forensic biology at the medical examiner's office in in New York City reviewed the DNA report that was produced by Bodey cellmark in came to some conclusions, so one of the things that Megan Toby. The victim sister testified to was that the shooter yelled something at her is she was running away and we identified a stain on the BANDANNA and we wanted to check if. If that stain was saliva and it came back. Negative is to saliva, so we don't even know if that BANDANNA. That was found in Julius. Attic was same band Anna that the assailant war because there's not the saliva staying on it. That should be there because the assailant yelled. Don't forget. This was July in Oklahoma right so these do have to suspend a lot of this belief to come up. Up with a conclusion that someone Julius or anyone is going to be a an extremely high pressure situation on a very hot day, and not sweat or breathe into the BANDANA that they're supposedly wearing on their face. We don't know we'll never know whether. The gun was wrapped in the Bandanna or whether the gun was taken place in the Bandana by the authorities when they were taking it out. When would hope dude put it in an evidence bag instead, but the state made a big deal about the fact that there were several different people's DNA on this Bandanna and that one of the people seems to be somewhat consistent with Julius. Can you elaborate on what that really means? Because some people would look at that and go wait a minute than in l.. I. Guess I. The Right Guy. After all right case closed but the testing indicates that the DNA was degraded and was defined as trace DNA, which suggests that the D. N. A. could have been transferred to the item, so the Bandanna is found in Julius House. It's handled by the police. It's in his bedroom is very possible that any DNA on there. That could be consistent with Julius. Could come about as a result of the transfer of the DNA. Here's what we're faced with. It seems to me correct me if I'm wrong. In any of these fronts, Julius didn't match the eyewitness description. His hair was short and could never have stuck out from a stocking cap but Chris. Jordan's absolutely could have. Chris Jordan gave a confession that was riddled with inconsistencies in false has changed his stories numerous times. Chris also admitted to planting the gun. Exactly where the police founded in Julius his house on more than one occasion. There's no salary DNA on the BANDANNA in evidence, and it doesn't seem to be the one that was one across the shooters or anyone's face anyway and I'm leaving out other scully stuff. Forget incompetent defense. Forget the racial bias. Forget the jury, forget everything. Those facts alone would seem to be enough to unravel. And then you add to it that the only thing connecting them to it are the words of two highly incentivize witnesses, both of whom happened to be career criminals. who were made an offer? refused I mean they were given an offer that they would be able to avoid lengthy prison sentences of their own in exchange for their testimony against Julius. Does that pretty much sum it up? That's it and one would think that you know. Why is Julius even in prison? Let alone on death row, but that's not how it turned out. This leads to my next question. His only contact to the outside world is through letters, have you? Gotten letters directly from him or if you've correspondent with him in any way. I have yes, you know just hearing what he has to say in I mean. What I can't understand, but I'm so grateful for is someone in Julius? Says situation who could just be so angry at the world and I I. Don't know how I would act if I was in his situation, but to see the grace that he has. and to see how he's fighting through this and won't give up. It inspires me, so I I WANNA fight like. I. We need to get out I mean just to even know that because he was an athlete to see a lot of athletes, support him and write letters on his behalf now to send to. The governor has been so amazing to see you know when he was playing ball blake. Griffin's dad was his coach and is completely in support of Julius and Blake Griffin Road in amazing heartfelt letter for the Governor to see in support of Julius is release. Russell Westbrook, there's been some amazing people that really WanNa see him released as well people that grew up there people that played their Carmelo Anthony who played in Oklahoma for a little while his wife is my best friend. You know I sent him all the facts and he wrote a letter as well. It's amazing to see the support that is come together and I hope that everyone. Really pays attention before it's too late because we will not go out easy on this one. So game. If you could talk to the governor, you may have that opportunity I hope and we know that the governor of Oklahoma is a guy who cares about criminal justice reform. He's done some positive things for sure, so if you talk to him, what would you say? I would just I of a love to walk him through the facts of Julius Case and explained to him what kind of person Julius is and was before his life was turned upside down. and. I've heard he's a really compassionate person, and really does care about reform and I. Just hope to have that opportunity, and we're going to be presenting him all of these letters of support, soon. And I believe that he will pay attention I. Have Faith in that it would be hard to imagine that he and the members of the Parole Board wouldn't be moved to take action here between the outcry in the public, the support of prominent people faith leaders, business leaders so many different people and the facts of the case. Cry Out for justice. Yeah, absolutely I mean. Everyone always asked me like well. What can we do and I think the most? Thing to do is call the governor's office and elected officials that can really make a difference and just be really loud, and you should go to justice for Julius Jones Dot Com, first of all look into his case, everything is on this website from the documentary. The last defense with Viola Davis to where you can sign the petition in favor of Julius, and you can also subscribe to stay up to date on what's going on and an e even gives you a link to email the parole board. I do believe the parole board is like in favor of reform. I believe everyone is very compassionate from what I've heard so i. just urge everyone. Please sign the petition for Julius Jones. If you're moved by his story, I've done it. I believe in him so much I believe in his innocence justice for Julius Jones Dot Com. We have a regular feature on the show, which is my favorite part of the show, which is where I get to just kick back. Turn off my microphone. Leave my headphones on and listen, and so what we call the segment closing arguments. and. We're GONNA. Hear from Dale. Antoinette. Had, of course madeline, but let's kick things off with Kim. Thank you for having me on here and thank you for everything you do, and for showing me the way seriously I look up to you so much, and I'm so grateful to you for sharing so many cases with me and that we're able to hopefully open up people's minds and hearts that might have been a little bit closed off when it comes to reform or might not understood how they could help and then. Then, we're giving them a platform where they can help out and be a part of the conversation and help fight for people. The really really deserve it, so thank you, Dale. You've done a fantastic job and I appreciate you. Making the time I know is gonNA. Make a difference will thank you Jason. We have a commutation application pending before the Oklahoma Pardon Parole Board Julius is thankful for all the support. The prayers the letters that he has received. That is giving him strength. This case got the attention. It deserved when Viola Davis in Julius Tannen produced the last defense that put light on this injustice in wrongful conviction. What's troubling to me and we should all be concerned about this. Is that without the last fans? No one would be interested in this case. Julius would have been just another African American man in prison, saying he was innocent. One of the four percent and no one would care. There are thousands of Julius is behind bars today and people should care, and we know you care Jason and we appreciate that the struggle isn't over. Thank you very much. Why don't we save mom for last? Because you know? She's mom so Antoinette overview. So I I would say. That my brother, Julius Jones. He did not kill Paul how? My brother is a human being. He is not a number. When we consider people, human beings, and not just numbers, and we really take into account all the facts. I'm just asking them to correct this wrong I'm asking you to look at all the key points in this case. I'm asking you to understand. The, my brother never got a fair defense. He never got a proper defense. He never got a juror of his peers. He never got a chance to voice. What happened to him from his side and I'm I'm just asking you? As a human being to understand and take my brother in consideration as a human being and not a number, he is not a person that will take a life is a that will protect the life is person that cares about everybody's wellbeing. To this day he cares. More about. How everybody else is doing. Then how he's doing side. That's who my brother is. He's the person that cares. He's a loyal person. Is a person who loves life. I never gave up. I'm still gonNA. We shall not give it. We shall not wrist. Even though the defense rests forum, we shall not rest. Thank. Thank you, and now for the final words Madeleine. I all Jews is a good person is very kind. He's loving compassion. And a lot of times he will hurt himself. To, keep from hurting someone else in this the reason he's in predicament, he's in now. And I just WanNa say to the Parole Board. That one side's does not fit all, and that I would like for them to take careful consideration, concerning Julius and to look at what he will be able to. Contribute to society. If they spare his life. We just need to try to get things right because when justices covered. Covered for so long, but it'll either burn through. I will grow. And Right now. I feel like that justice is is growing because. It wants to be hurt and it wants to. Be fulfilled. Meant to be just as for all, not just for some of us. And you know freedom is worth more than money. My biggest joy is have my son home. and to be about the things that he's dreamed along to WanNa do and I thank God for this opportunity today to be able to express so many things that I've helped in today I. Really think if you Jason. Thank God for people like you. Don't forget to give us a fantastic review. Wherever you get your podcast. It really helps, and you know I'm a proud donor to the innocence project and I really hope you'll join me in supporting this very important 'cause, and in so doing to prevent future wrongful convictions. It's easy. 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The Rosenbergs Pt. 1: Atomic Treason

Espionage

42:50 min | 1 year ago

The Rosenbergs Pt. 1: Atomic Treason

"You work hard earned a good living. You deserve a nice vacation to relax and unwind. Maybe go to a tropical island and sit on the beach trank something out of a coconut you deserve it on. You can't you're in debt. Maybe it's medical bills or student loans or credit card debt you keep getting paychecks. But you can never seem to get ahead. You're caught in a cycle of debt. Stay tuned because later in the show, I'll tell you more about how upstart dot com can help. Rose of records flash past Julius Rosenberg as he made his way deeper and deeper into the army signal corps building he checked his watch trying to remain as casual as possible. That was the secret to being covert remain, perfectly normal. He pulled a paper bound file from the shelf, and unwrapped it inside was Emmanuel dictating the full schematics on the US jet fighter. The p eighty shooting star this plane was the choice fighter for the American forces in with any luck. The Soviets would know every system on board just then a door slammed at the other end of the room. Someone was there. Julius didn't have much time. He pushed back his horn rimmed glasses and removed a small like a camera from a suitcase. He snapped pictures of the file one page at a time faster faster faster, then as the footsteps turned the corner, he tied the string around the file and placed it back on the shelf. It was just a record assistant restocking books. Julius nodded and continued on his way. That night Julius called his handler on the phone it rang twice, and he hung up. That was all his handler needed to know. Julius had information. This is espionage a new park cast original exploring the missions behind the world's most incredible spies, and what brought their covert operations into the public eye. I'm your host Carter ROY throughout this show will explore real world spy tactics required to impersonate exploit and infiltrate the most confidential places in the world. You can listen to all of par cash shows on Spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts. New episodes come out on Fridays. We're also on Facebook and Instagram at par cast and Twitter at par cast network. This is our first episode on the world's most infamous, atomic spies. Julius and Ethel Rosenberg in the mid nineteen forties. Twenty-seven-year-old Julius and his thirty year old wife Ethel orchestrated a top secret operation to steal information about the atomic bomb from right under the FBI's knows this week. We'll explore how to American communists turned from activists into international spies next week. We'll follow the Rosenbergs as their operation comes crashing to the ground. Julius Rosenberg had lived on the Lower East Side since he was a child. He knew it better than anyone the noise. The heat the discrimination. The big businesses flourishing while hardworking families starved New York City was proof that American capitalism had failed. Everyone said America was the land of opportunity on. That's why Julius parents had moved there from the Russian empire, but the reality of life during the great depression, especially for working class Jewish immigrants like the Rosenbergs was far from utopian all Julius. Aw was injustice and inequality while Julius was a student at the City College of New York in the mid nineteen thirties. He worked part time at a pharmacy in Harlem one night. A black man was hit by a bus on the street just outside the shop. They brought him inside. But in the hour. It took for an ambulance to arrive the man bled to death. If that was the best America could offer Julius wanted to see his other options. Like, many young people in the nineteen thirties, Julius. Aw. A more promising vision of society in his family's homeland Russia at the time serving as the center of power within the Soviet Union. On your communism equality was a promise not a dream, the poor would be lifted up and the rich would be held in check. By the time. He was eighteen in nineteen thirty six Julius was a rising leader in C C, N wise, young Communist League. The communist party USA was enjoying a moment in the spotlight in the nineteen thirties membership rose from seven thousand five hundred fifty five thousand over the course of the decade, this was partially due to disillusionment with capitalism during the great depression and also in response to the rise of fascism in Spain Germany in the days before McCarthyism, communism wasn't a dirty word and the party attracted droves supporters by fighting for labor laws women's rights and racial equality at a political rally in the winter of nineteen thirty six Julius met another free thinker Ethel Greenglass Ethel was a twenty one year old aspiring actress and out of work secretary. She'd been fired from her clerical job the previous year for organizing a worker strike, but it didn't scare her away from activism and fact, it only made her more. Fiery Julius and Ethel were both true. Believers in the communist cause and politics became the passion that bound them together. Julius was bold and fearless at one point in college. He led a raid on a German ocean. Liner, the SS Bremen and tore the Nazi flag from its Jack staff Ethel on the other hand was cautious and practical Julius could never be bothered to do his homework. So Ethel routinely wrote his college papers for him typing them up on her second hand, Remington typewriter. If it wasn't for Ethel's diligence Julius may not have finished college at all. But he finally graduated with a Bs in electrical engineering in February nineteen thirty nine one semester late and ranked seventy ninth out of eighty five in his class. The next year Julius got a job as a civilian engineer inspecting equipment for the army signal corps in New York. For most electrical engineers, this would have been a boring entry level job. But Julius saw the hidden value. This position offered him access to America's advanced radio radar and sonar technologies. The foundation of the US military's communication systems. Just a year later in December nineteen forty one the United States entered World War Two the Soviet Union and America where allies in the war, but they were still ideological opposites. As two of the world's rising superpowers neither country wanted to see the other surpass them in technological advances, and as two of America's rising communists, Julius and Ethel Rosenberg knew which side they wanted to come out on top. When the war was finally over. Throughout the early nineteen forties, Julius snuck as much information as he could into his briefcase, circuit board diagrams company messages. He didn't know exactly what Russia needed. So he grabbed a little bit of everything with Ethel's knowledge in support. He hid the stolen documents on their apartments bookshelf, waiting for an opportunity to pass it along into the right hands to do that the Rosenbergs needed to contact the N cave. E D the Soviet Union's interior ministry and secret police agency, which would later become known as the K G B, but how do two twenty something. New Yorkers get connected with a foreign country's top secret intelligence agency. In nineteen forty one Julius and Ethel began feeling out potential contacts in the young Communist League, and the communist party USA, the attended weekly party meetings across New York City, and at every meeting Julius made it a point to mention in casual conversation that he happened to possess sensitive information that could undermine the American military laughter. Almost two years this method failed to produce any results. The N K V D very rarely touched base with the communist party USA, which was basically an intellectual organization run by politically powerless left wing academics, a proper nineteen forty Soviet agent. Focus their time on Ivy league universities. This was where the next generation of American statesman could be found by the end of nineteen forty two when Julius. Was twenty four and Ethel was twenty seven the had a new plan if the N K V D didn't want them. They would build their own spy network for many of Julius friends from college had found jobs in engineering facilities, where top secret US military equipment was turned out on conveyor belts every day. He started by reaching out to his old friend. Joel Barr who also worked with him at the army signal corps, his friend. Morton sobil was at General Electric. William Pearl was at the national advisory committee for 'aeronautics the predecessor to NASA. Other friends ended up at bell laboratories, western electric, and chemical engineering firm called the Celtics corporation, Julius sales. Pitch was always the same. According to his friend, max L, Julius would tell each potential recruit that many of their friends were already. Giving secrets to Russia and that together they could bring about a change in the status quo for most. This was all it took by April nineteen forty two Julius and Ethel had amassed half a dozen American engineers who are loyal to the communist cause together. They gathered information about sonar military radio radar and cutting edge avionics from their corporate day jobs. A few months later their work finally caught the kind of attention Julius had been waiting for. In June, nineteen forty two Julius was making his rounds at a communist party meeting when he was introduced to a man named Bernard Schuster Shuster wasn't an N K V agent himself, but he told Julius he knew an agent by the name of Jacob goalless. Codename sound Jacob goalless was a rising star in the N cave. E D. He was a Russian immigrant who had made a name for himself in the nineteen twenties by stealing American passports, which the Soviet Union used to forge American travel documents with extreme accuracy by nineteen thirty goalless was recruited by the Soviet Union. As a bona fide spy his job was to recruit American intelligence sources, aka assets who are willing to sell secrets to the Soviets Julius and Ethel Rosenberg or. Exactly, the kind of people. Go lows was looking for Schuster saw Julius value to Russia and told him that he would contact goalless later that month by the end of the summer Bernard. Schuster toll Julius that goalless would meet him in the upper east side within the following month. August nineteen forty two. Julius could feel the August heat pressing down on him. His glasses slid down the sweaty bridge of his nose finally a car stopped along the street and a man with a round face and large lips stepped out. This must be Jacob goalless. There was nothing special about go losses appearance. He looked totally unremarkable. This was by design. According to former chief of disguise of the CIA. John Mendez spies try to be the man or woman that quote gets on the elevator. And then gets off. And nobody knew they were there. Goalless approached Julius and stopped a few feet away. What happened next is called a recognition signal. According to the international spy museum. This is a simple phrase word or object that is used to identify yourself as an ally agent. We don't know the exact signal used for this conversation. But ex-soviet spy Klaus folks, describe some KGB tactics after the Cold War as a spy he was instructed to wear gloves. But carry a second pair or to hold a tennis ball as he walked down the street on the goal of these recognition signals is to be settled enough to seem normal but overt enough to identify your ally. Once the recognition was confirmed goalless gave Julius a small slip of paper with a telephone number in perfect English Colo's told Julius to call him when he needed. To talk Julius nodded goalless got back into his car and left the whole meeting lasted no more than about thirty seconds. But it was the most important thirty seconds of Julius Rosenberg's life. Coming up. We'll hear how the FBI began to tighten a noose around the Rosenbergs life. So you wanna take that vacation? You deserve your debt is holding you back. Here's what you can do. Go to upstart dot com while most lending companies make their decisions based on your credit history. Upstart takes into consideration your education and job history. That helps them understand more about your future. 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It was actually the number of another spy he controlled. Elizabeth Bentley Elizabeth was a librarian at the Italian library of information in New York City during the nineteen forties. The Italian library of information was a branch of Italian intelligence that attempted to disperse fascist propaganda into the United States as a Soviet agent. Elizabeth was entrusted with reporting Italy's covert operations to the US are through Jacob goalless. This was the complica-. Web that Julius and Ethel descended into during their summer of nineteen forty two armed with Elizabeth's home phone number Julius set up a series of covert meetings with goalless across New York City in all clandestine documents and phone calls. Julius would be referred to as N ten. Codenames are assigned through a rather unceremonious process. Typically, a new spy is given an alphabetical list of ten random words, and they are able to choose which when they prefer in some cases specific names are chosen for an agent or mission. But the majority of spies are named through random words by September nineteen forty two less than six months after Julius first contact with the Soviet Union goalless recommended Julius for quote use on the technical line or the X Y line. This was an elite collection of covert agents around the globe that supplied the USSR with technical intelligence. Ethel was never given a codename or officially registered as spy. But most historians believe she served as Julius as record keeper typing documents on that same. Remington typewriter she'd been using for years. As the Rosenbergs continued to steal information about radar and sonar systems. They drew the eyes of other KGB agents further up the Soviet totem pole. Not the least of which was some known Simione of codename twain, some Yona was born in Odessa in modern day. Ukraine and served as a KGB agent who managed to work his way into the Massachusetts Institute of technology in nineteen thirty eight as a student. He learned about the cutting edge military technologies in America and relayed those lectures back to the Soviet Union. But with Julius small band of engineers, he saw the next step in espionage. After their first meeting in the winter of nineteen forty two some Yuna was very vocal in his praise of Julius. He wrote to Russia quote intent is a skilled agent. He commands authority with a group, which he is successfully handling he is enthusiastic about his work and wants to do as much as possible, but Semyonov saw room for improvement. He also wrote quote antennas sometimes Russia's and doesn't think through certain aspects well enough our operative must carefully check and monitor his work and give him detailed instructions antenna is absolutely unripe in matters of working as an agent our demands regarding the type of materials, we acquire and elementary rules cone spirits. Yeah. Cone spirits. Yeah. Referred to the code of Soviet espionage part of the doctrine included, the Moscow rules ten laws to live by has. Russian spy, according to the international spy museum in Washington. DC the Moscow rules were as follows one assume nothing to never go against your gut three everyone is potentially under opposition control before to not look back. You are never completely alone. Five go with the flow blend in six vary. Your pattern and stay within your cover seven lull them into a sense of complacency. Eight do not harass the opposition nine pick the time and place for action ten keep your options open throughout the next year and a half until nineteen forty four some Yuna drilled this ideology into the minds of the six current members of the Rosenberg network. He also helps streamline their information gathering process. By supplying them with a few top of the line like cameras to snap photos of sensitive documents soon. Julius was carrying his camera everywhere ready to steal secrets a moment's notice. But working with the prominent agent likes Joan of also brought more danger for the Rosenbergs in nineteen forty four some Yone of status through the eyes of an American code breaker named gene Ghraib yell. As a crypt analyst and mathematician, Jean had spent her life in the pursuit of breaking codes. She was now the head of US government agency that president Franklin D Roosevelt didn't even know existed. The known project, and they were a collection of America's greatest problem solvers today. She was trying to break line of coordi- they had acquired from a clandestine agent in Moscow that was until she received the mail that morning. Included in her normal office memos was a letter addressed to Mr. Guber, although completely anonymous the letter identified eleven so Viet intelligence officers that stretched from Canada, Mexico, among the names was film, producer Boris Moross. American activists Earl Browder in Julius handler Semione Simone of the letter said quote cement of works in AMT toward trading corporation is robbing the whole of the war industry in America cement of has his agents in all the industrial towns of the USA in all aviation and chemical warfare factories and in big industries. He works very brazenly. And roughly it would be very easy to follow him up and catch him red handed in quote, it is important to note here that cement of is a transliteration of Simione of. Graybeards stood up from her desk. She immediately ordered a test on the letter later that day the ink proved that it had been written in Russia, either Soviet agent was defecting or it was a very elaborate forgery. Throughout nineteen forty-three. The F B I increased surveillance on the eleven officers named in the letter, including Semyonov, they didn't have any proof that the suspects were agents. But if the eleven so much as thought about contacting Russia, the F B I would be ready to pounce with the American stocking Simone of every time the Rosenbergs made contact with Semyonov they were risking their lives and the life of their newborn son, Michael who was born in March nineteen forty-three. The new addition to the family only strengthened Julius Ethel's devotion to espionage. They wouldn't let their child grew up in a decaying capitalist world their work with secure his future the danger of their hidden life didn't truly become clear to Ethel until one night in late March nineteen forty-three Ethel stepped out of a grocery store with supply. Size for baby. Michael in turn down the street toward the subway station. She passed a man in a simple black suit nothing remarkable to see. In fact, he was almost two on remarkable Ethel hurried the half blocked the station and sat down she saw the same man in the black suit waiting across the street. Maybe he was just heading the same way. Even if he was an FBI agent Ethel new the best thing she could do act normal. If she ran now, it would be as good as a confession. She sat where she was in began to file her nails when the train arrived the man in the suit stepped onto the platform, his eyes, flashed ethyl ethyl boarded. I the man followed after he didn't look at her directly. It was impossible to tell. Whether he was watching her, right? When the doors were about to close. Ethel stepped off the train as innocently as possible. The man remained on board at the watch the train rumbled to life into Sapir into the darkness. At the went home and told Julius about the encounter, but he had worse news. Their handler, some Yone of had been compromised some Yona had found out about the letter that landed on Jean grey Buell's desk, and he told Julius he would be flying back to Moscow immediately. The Rosenbergs were left up in the air. But the end of April nineteen forty-three a second KGB handler was assigned to the Rosenbergs. Alexander Feklisov affect LaSala was the best of the best born in Moscow. He attended espionage school where he spent a year studying America, and the UK Feklisov also took practical subjects which taught him how to get away from a follower. How to recruit new agents and how to use audio transmitters for coded messages with feckless off to guide them the Rosenberg networks started to function. Like a real spy ring. Their team now included Julius Rosenberg his former classmate William Pearl. Morton Sobel, Russell mcnutt and Joel Barr. Julius fellow army signal corps workers Alfred Sarin's and Nathan Sussman and Julius is old friends, Michael and Sedova which together they. Gathered twenty thousand technical documents. Plus another twelve thousand pages of the complete design manual for the first US jet fighter. The p eighty shooting star then in nineteen forty four rumors arose of a project more secret more crucial and more dangerous than anything else. The American military had ever undertaken. The atomic bomb. To this day. The atomic bomb remains the most destructive weapon to ever exist for context common base measurement for the explosive. Four seven atomic bomb is one thousand tons of T N tea or one kilotonne the first nuclear test ever resulted in a twenty two kill a ton blast before the first bomb was dropped on Hiroshima Japan on August. Sixth nineteen forty five. No one outside of the shadowy, Los Alamos, National laboratory in New Mexico had any idea what kind of demolition the weapons were capable of. But the Soviet certainly wanted to find out and the Rosenbergs already knew someone working at the Los Alamos laboratory, Ethel's younger, brother, David Greenglass. David was a twenty two year old army machinist and like his sister, a devoted communist. According to feckless off Julius described him as quote a one hundred percent reliable guy devoted to our cause. And would never fail us and quote in August, nineteen forty four by a sheer stroke of fate. He'd been assigned to Los Alamos where engineers from the top secret Manhattan project were developing the atomic bomb in October nineteen forty four Julius recruited David's wife, Ruth who lived in New York. And as Julius had guest was fully on board with espionage wants Ruth was cleared as an agent by their Soviet handlers. She wrote to David in New Mexico on November fourth nineteen forty four. David sent back. His response. Quote, my darling. I most certainly will be glad. To be part of the community project that Julius and his friends have in mind count me in deer. Or should. I say it has my vote. Coming up America's most infamous, atomic spy mission begins now back to the story. In November nineteen forty four Julius and Ethel Rosenberg recruited, a source directly inside the Manhattan project, secretive, laboratory Ethel's, brother, David Greenglass, his task was to steal any documents. He could get his hands on and bring them back to the Rosenbergs in New York, if he succeeded the Soviet Union would be a step closer to crafting their own atomic bomb before the US got a chance to finish. There's David's assignment at the Los Alamos National laboratory gave him access to secrets few other spies could ever lay eyes on but Julius has worked for the army signal corps in New York granted him priceless opportunities as well. In December nineteen forty four Julius was sent to inspect a manufacturing facility called Emerson radio and phonograph factory there. He came. Face to face with one of America's most closely guarded inventions, the proximity fuze. This was a fused that automatically detonates. When it reaches a certain distance from its target compared to a traditional contact fuze that detonates upon hitting the ground. Approximity fuse condemned Nate in mid air and spray shrapnel over radius of miles resulting in a blast. That's five to ten times as deadly proximity Fuzes were developed by British and American technicians early in World War Two, but we're not shared with Soviet weapons manufacturers, though, their interest in ending the war were aligned the US didn't want the Soviets to have their hands on the technology after the war was over and their tenuous alliance was dissolved the Soviet Union. Understood the concept behind the proximity fuze, but they'd never seen one up close. That is. Until Julius Rosenberg handed them one. The fuse was nothing more than a small radio transmitter and receiver Julius was alone in the room. He simply grabbed one and smuggled it out of the building. On the morning of Christmas Eve, nineteen forty four Julius set down at a diner in Manhattan. He kept a small gift wrapped box on the seat next to Alexander Feklisov arrived and sat down across the booth. He had a few gifts of his own for Julius Julius open them right away. The nice stainless steel watch crocodile skin purse for Ethel and a teddy bear for baby. Michael then. Julia slid his gift across the table Feklisov. I'd it he knew it would be better not to open it until later. When fact the soft got back to the Russian consulate. He tore the wrapping paper off the box and found Christmas present of a lifetime a functional proximity fuse. While the Soviets got to work, reverse engineering the fuse Julius touch base with his brother-in-law, David Greenglass, David was back in New York for the holidays. And he brought a piece of valuable information with him a sketch of the lens mold used in making the atomic bomb as David pass Julius the sketch. He expressed his fears about the mission. If anyone found out what he was doing. He might be facing the death penalty for treason, Julius and Ethel assured him that would never happen. Julius took a jello box and cut it in half, and jigsaw pattern. He told David he would send an anonymous agent to his home in New Mexico that June David would have half the jello box. And the agent would have the other half that was the recognition symbol once. The agent arrived. David was to hand over any. And all documents could acquire about the atomic bomb. It would all be over in an afternoon. If David kept his promise, David I'd his sister across the room. She looked so confident you couldn't help but Trustor David nodded and grabbed half of the jello box. He was all in. Over the next month. David wrote notes about the various metal pieces that he was working on in the laboratory the security around the lab was tight enough that he couldn't steal any documents directly. But loose enough that confidential diagrams and memos were left lying out in plain sight, David memorized, whatever could went home and made sketches of everything he'd seen but just a month later the entire Rosenberg operation fell apart. In the blink of an eye in February nineteen Forty-five FBI agents confiscated a series of communist party petitions from nineteen thirty nine. Among the list of signatures were Julius and Ethel Rosenberg Julius was immediately terminated from the army signal corps in a matter of hours. His primary source of information was gone by the end. Of the month. Julius was also discharged from his duties by Moscow. He was now more of a liability than an asset. Feklisov tried to save Julius and Ethel from dismissal with a letter to Russian intelligence. He wrote quote in Julius. We have a loyal man, whom we can trust completely a man who in his practical work over the course of several years has shown how strong his desirous to help our country. But it wasn't enough. The Rosenberg network was disbanded and Julius careers as an engineer. And as a spy we're over the only way to win back favor with Russia was to make sure David Greenglass mission was a success. In the spring of nineteen Forty-five Julius aspects off to continue on with their plan and send an agent down to collect the information from David Feklisov. Relayed the message to another agent known as Anatoly Jakko wlov real name and a totally yacht. Pskov who in turn passed it onto an agent named Harry gold Yaacov lev delivered half of the jello box into single piece of paper to Harry gold home address on the paper. There were three things. The name Greenglass Greenglass home address in Albuquerque, New Mexico and the words recognition signal like come from Julius. On june. Second nineteen Forty-five. Harry gold arrived in Albuquerque, New Mexico. He knocked on David's door. But no one was home. This was a major warning flag. The families should have been prepared to make contact with them. Harry checked into a local Hilton hotel under his own name. Although he didn't realize it. This was a major mistake. He'd left a paper trail leading directly to David Harry spent the sleepless night awake in his bedroom. Counting down the minutes until morning when the sun rose on June third nineteen Forty-five Harry return to the Greenglass home. And once again knocked on the door, David answered Harry, immediately delivered the signal I come from Julius the two strangers stared at each other for a moment. David step back. And Harry stepped inside cautiously. Harry took out the jello box and showed the jagged edge, David walked further into the house and came back with his piece of the jello box it fit like a glove. David gave Harry to more drawings of devices he'd seen at the laboratory along with some written records in return. Harry gave David and envelope with five hundred dollars in thanks for his work. After a four hour flight Harry was once again back in New York. He took a taxi to the home of his handler and totally cove soon documents were in Moscow in Julius and Ethel Rosenberg were back on the hook. Russia had another task for them so far all the Soviet efforts to reverse engineer. The proximity fuze had failed. They had a working example from Julius, but they couldn't figure out how to replicate it the needed something else instructions or a diagram or a list of materials, then they'd be on track to build their own atomic bomb. In September, nineteen forty five David Greenglass once again returned to New York City with as much information as he could gather about the proximity fuze sitting in the Rosenbergs apartment. He drew up a diagram of a complex series of circles, he passed along twelve pages of written notes, including a list of materials Ethel immediately type them up on her old Remington typewriter and prepared them for Moscow with these notes the Soviet atomic bomb was nearly complete. But the Rosenbergs didn't hear back from Soviet intelligence after weeks. They didn't receive any response at all desperate for some kind of information Julius called the phone number. He'd once been given by his first handler Jacob goalless, his intermediary. Elizabeth bentley. Answered the phone Julius informed her that he had important information in that Golan should talk with him immediately. She told him she would relate a message, then hung up. But once again, they were greeted with radio silence. It was unusual for communication to take this long. The Rosenbergs weren't aware of it. But there was a good reason for the silence they had been compromised. One of their closest associates was currently sitting in an F B I office writing down one hundred seven pages of testimony about the Rosenbergs spy ring, Julius and Ethel had agreed to risk their freedom for the sake of communism. But they may not have understood that they were also risking their lives. In part two will explore the consequences of the Rosenbergs mission for the nuclear arms race. And for American culture. Thank you for listening to espionage. We'll be back Friday when the new episode for more information on the Rosenbergs, we've found spies the rise and fall of the KGB in America by John Earl Haynes Harvey Claire Alexander Vasiliev, and the Rosenberg file a search for the truth by Joyce, Milton and Ronald radar sh-, especially helpful to research, you can find more episodes of espionage as well as all of par cast other shows on Spotify or anywhere else. You listen to podcasts. Several of you have asked how to help us if you enjoy the show the best way to help is to leave a five star review. And don't forget to follow us on Facebook and Instagram at par cast and Twitter at par cast network. We'll be back next week. With another deep dive into the world of clandestine operation espionage was created. By max Cutler is a production of Cutler media. 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Paul Julius Reuter

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Paul Julius Reuter

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So I just coincidentally have caught various interesting tweets lately this time, it was author insci- communicator, Rosemary Moscow who had a Twitter thread about pigeons and how cool they are. And how they are all over cities because humans put them there. So don't be mad at them for it. The pigeons didn't do it themselves, and in this thread, one of the things she said was Paul Julius Reuter of Reuters use them to carry stock prices. And I replied and said well now, I have to podcast on Paul Julius Reuter, which is where we are the man who would later become known as Julius Reuter was born in Israel, beer USA, fat on July twenty first eighteen sixteen. He was born near castle in the electorate of Hess castle, which would later become Prussia. And is now Germany his father was rabbi Samuel Levi. Joseph at and he was the third of four children when the young Israel was about sixteen his father died, and he was sent to live with an uncle in girton, Germany has ran a Bank and the plan was for Israel to train their to enter the finance industry at about the same time, physicist and mathematician, Carl Friedrich Gauss was also in girton experimenting with electrical signals, telegraph technology. It is not entirely clear how these two meant Israel would have been running errands and making deliveries for his uncle. So it's possible that he delivered something to go. And they struck up acquaintance regardless though, Israel was fascinated by these experiments, which started in eighteen thirty in eighteen thirty three Gauss successfully Senta message over wire from his lab to an observatory mile away and eighteen forty one when he was about twenty five Israel started going by new name, which was Julius. It was probably after his birth month of July and in the. Eighteen forty's. He also left the world of banking and started working at a publishing house in Berlin called Reuters publishing company in those same years. He also met a woman named item Maria Elizabeth Clementina Magnus, some sources, call her Ida, while others collar Clementina took me a long time to find her entire name written out and figure out what in the world was going on with that Clementina was the daughter of a Lutheran pastor there are some sources that describe the Magnus family as Jewish, but that seems to be an incorrect assumption based on the fact that their home was in Berlin Jewish quarter. That would have been a logical place for Julius to stay after arriving in Berlin, though, so he and Clementina probably meant simply because they were living in the same neighborhood and the timeline on all of this is a little bit fuzzy it's not clear precisely win Julius started going by that name or when he met Clementina, but in eighteen forty five Reuters publishing house sent Julius to London. To try to establish a branch their London had a large enough German speaking population that it seemed like there might be a demand for German language books. So Julius and Clementina left Germany for England by ship, then they departed from Hamburg, but before they left they got married in a civil ceremony. They arrived in London on October twenty ninth eighteen forty five and they were listed in the passenger manifest as Mr. mistress Iosafat, and they got a room at a boarding house and started planning another wedding this one at a Lutheran church officiated by pastor and their reasons for doing this are not documented anywhere, but most historians conclude that Clementina had gone through the civil wedding back in Hamburg. So she could travel with Julius without it being scandalous, or for the sake of her own conscience. But that she didn't consider herself really married without that big church wedding on November six eighteen forty five shortly before the second wedding, Julius was baptized as Luther. And at his baptism. He took another name which was Paul, and he also changed his surname from Iosafat to Reuter. Once again, there's no documentation of what led him to this name change. But it did mean that he was hair Reuter of Reuters publishing company as he was trying to set up this London-based branch of that company. Don't really know what his employer thought about that. He decided to do that. I imagined that opened some doors for him that he might not have had access to otherwise one would think maybe he was just being really really widely in that move winner. No. But the Sunday after the baptism Julius and Clementina got married in a church ceremony. It's still actually wasn't very big affair I referred to it as a big church wedding before. But it really wasn't. It was just the two of them with witnesses that were provided by the church, and then they started trying to build up their business and trying to start a family in eighteen forty six. They had a daughter named Julie. Although, unfortunately, she died while she was still a baby by all. Accounts Julius and Clementino really striking couple. He was short and had very dark hair, and she was very tall and blonde and their marriage wasn't entirely conventional by the standards of the day Clementina was intelligent and educated and really dedicated to her husband's success. So rather than being mostly a homemaker and a help mate, she took a really active part in all of his various business ventures, essentially she worked as anything from an unpaid assistant to an unpaid partner dependent on exactly what was needed. But in spite of clementine is help Julius wasn't able to get the London branch of writers publishing company off the ground. It seems like they're just was not as much demand for German books as they had anticipated. So soon the couple was back in Germany living in Berlin, Julius partnered with Llosa's star guard to form another publishing house called Stargardt and Reuter. This was once again, not one of Julius more successful ventures years later Stargardt accused Reuter. Of disappearing from eighteen forty eight Leipzig book, fair taking all of the money from their sales with him Reuter didn't admit any guilt and all this, but he did offer to repay the money, which some people interpreted is basically admitting he had done it. While others interpreted. It is just him wanting the issue to be over with and having the money to do it that way. Yeah. That's what I call a buy your freedom situation. I want you to leave me alone about this. Here's some dollars. Additionally writer was publishing pamphlets that were for the time quite radical. They advocated democracy and progressive policies. This might not seem at all radical by today's standards, but a revolution swept through Germany in eighteen forty eight and eighteen forty nine. It was driven by an economic depression that included high unemployment and food shortages, peaceful protests failed to bring about any kind of change. And after king. Louis Philippe was deposed in France, the situation in Germany progressed to. Food riots and other violence, Reuters pamphlets and the demonstrators were on the same side at first seemed as though this revolution was going to be successful. Especially after a number of progressives were installed in the German government. But these changes did not last and soon the progressives or once again out of favor by eighteen forty nine. Conservatives would be back in control and all of this together, led the Reuters family to leave Germany again, they settled this time in Paris in Paris Reuter got a job at of us news agency, working as a translator of us news agency was founded by Charlotte. We office who was from a Sephardic Jewish family. In the agency translated and distributed news articles, they mainly used pigeons to distribute their work all the agency was also starting to experiment with the telegraph. Let's combination of news and pigeons and the telegraph would set the stage for Reuter becoming a household name in the world of international news. We we'll get to that. After. Sponsor break. Hey, everyone we would like to tell you about a new podcast from Robert lamb and Joe McCormick. Hosts the science podcast stuff to blow your mind. Their new show is called invention and every Monday on this show. Robert Joe explore the inventions, and inventors that made the modern world each episode examines different technological turning point in the minds cultures necessities that provoked the change topics include the guillotine the vending machine chopsticks the x Ray machine. Sunglasses. Braille and more uninventive Robert Joe, consider the origins and impact of inventions, both recent and ancient for good informational. Join them to explore questions. Like, how does the machine for removing human heads change the way people feel about capital punishment? And what was it like for the first people to see inside their own bodies with an x Ray invention publishes every Monday, you can listen and subscribe to invention on apple podcasts the iheartradio app or wherever you happen to find your podcasts. Eighteen forty nine Julius Clementina Reuter combined all their experience so far to try producing and distributing their own publication. It was essentially newsletter combined stock prices and news and political goings on sometimes a little bit gossip, but they were once again, not really able to get this off the ground. They just couldn't get enough subscribers to turn a profit. So when collectors came to seize their assets, eighteen forty nine they decided it was time to leave Paris. The next stop was Aachen, which is near the current border between Germany and Belgium, Aachen had come to prominence in the eighth and ninth. Centuries is the home of the Bursch Charlemagne later at had become a thriving center of manuscript creation and publishing and it was well situated to be an information hub in the geography of the day. It was Jason to Prussia. Holland, France, and Belgium, and that made it an easy connecting point for travel, trade and information. This trend and being sort of a connecting point all these things continued into the nineteenth century as an international railway line made its way through Aachen, but on October first eighteen forty nine a new telegraph line opened which connected Aachen, super Lynn. There was a separate line across the border in Belgium. And that line was the French Belgian line that ran from Paris to Brussels, so often was on one side of the scap and the line the gap stretched about ninety miles one hundred and forty four kilometers between Brussels and Aachen. So if somebody bridge that gap that could connect Paris to Berlin along the telegraph line, and that someone or really those someone's were Julius and Clementina Reuter who bridge the gap in the line with pigeons to be clear. They definitely were not the first people ever to send messages using pigeons pigeons or the oldest domesticated birds and people have been using them for food, companionship, entertainment and carrying messages all over the world for thousands of years. Pigeons and doves are in the same family. So some people the first documented message sent by pigeon has that moment in the biblical book of Genesis when the dove returns to Noah carrying an olive branch after the great flood pigeons were used in ancient Rome to carry the results of chariot races. And Gingas Kahn had a whole network of messenger pigeons. People been doing this for an extremely long time. Yes, pigeons were well established as a way to send messages by this point Reuter was just at an ideal spot to make particularly good use of them. He established the institute for the transmission of telegraph messages in Arkham and on April twenty fourth eighteen fifty he signed an agreement with pigeon breeder. Henrik Geller for twenty five pigeons Geller is also they rented rooms from when they first arrived in Aachen, and he may have also invested in their business so homing pigeons only fly one route they fly back home. And this case home was talking. So this whole setup required there to be some. Nobody in Brussels to get the news from Paris by telegraph, and then transcribe it loaded up on the pigeon, and let the pigeon go to fly back to then in Aachen somebody had to collect the pigeon, retrieve the message transmitted by telegraph and then load the pigeon up into a special crate and take it to the train station to send it back to Brussels. So running this operation in autumn required. Both Clementina and Julius one to run the office while the other ran all of the Aaron's, including running those pigeons to the train station. It also required an office in Brussels with pigeons whose home was there to receive messages from Aachen that side of things was run by Prussian army officer, Lieutenant Vilma. Stephan that train trip between aachen-brussels took about ten hours by comparison. The average flying speed for a homing pigeon is roughly sixty miles an hour or ninety six kilometers an hour. So a pigeon could fly between Brussels and Aachen in about an hour and a half that news carried. I pigeon was much much faster than news that was put on the train. And sent that way. The train though was still necessary to get the birds back to their starting point Julius Reuter was thirty four when he started this venture, which focused on sending stock prices and other financial information. It was known as mister Reuters prices and the birds were called the pigeon post. It was his first overall successful business, although it was really built on knowledge he'd been gathering since his teens. He had learned about banking from his uncle about the telegraph from Carl Gauss about pigeons from his work with the office news agency and about writing and publishing from various other jobs along the way. Reuters new business grew pretty quickly on July twenty six eighteen fifty a little more than three months after they signed their first agreement another agreement transferred all of hair Gillers, two hundred pigeons over to Reuter, Reuters success with the pigeon post wasn't just because of the engineer eighty and hard work that he. Clementina put into all of this Reuter was also starting to show some business savvy in April of eighteen fifty he got in touch with Rothschilds in London to sign an exclusive business deal in which Reuter agreed to get London. Financial information only from Rothschild's while Rothschild's got the Berlin and Vienna. Prices only from Reuter with Reuter otherwise staying off of the London market today. This sort of collision would be somewhere between frowned upon and outright illegal depending on the industry and the location, but at the time, it was actually pretty normal. Yes. It wouldn't necessarily be be illegal to have the exclusive agreement about who was providing stock prices and stuff. But when it came to the and I also will not do business in London. I will protect your monopoly. They're like that's the part that today. Not so much of a good business strategy in terms of ethics or the law, depending Reuter only ran this pigeon post for about a year. A new branch of the telegraph line opened on October second eighteen fifty connecting Aachen to the Belgian city of VA the following March. Another branch of the line connected for VA to hosted and then Austin connected to Prussia. Telegraph network that ultimately got back to Berlin. So as of March fifteenth eighteen fifty one there was no longer a gap that needed to be closed on telegraph network later that same month, the Reuters closed up shop in Aachen, and they left and this move was another major change for the Reuters. So we're gonna take another pause here for a quick sponsor break. Hey, Mario Lopez here. And I really hope you can check out my new podcast, listen to Mario L T M going to be having some really cool casual in-depth conversations with a lot of amazing and fascinating people some of your favorite celebrities, everyday heroes. Newsmakers even some of my friends and a few of my family members. Definitely inside of me that you've never seen before. So please, listen and subscribe at apple podcasts or on the iheartradio app or wherever you listen to podcasts. After leaving Julius and Clementina Reuter went to London, and they had been advised to do. So by Verner on Siemens, founder of the telecommunication company Siemens who had worked on that new. Telegraph line that ran from Aachen to Verviers Siemens later wrote of meeting them in Aachen, quote, in the course of the construction of that line. I made the acquaintance of the owner of the pigeon post between Cologne and Brussels, Mr. Reuter whose useful and lucrative business was relentlessly ruined. By the new electric telegraph when MRs Reuter who accompanied her husband on the trip complained to me about this destruction of their business, I advise the payer to go to London to open telegram agency. They're similar to that just formed in Berlin by Mr. vote, and we're going to get back to this Mr. volt a little bit leader. The Reuters arrived in London in October of eighteen fifty one they got rooms near the London stock exchange, and they lodged there with a doctor named Herbert Davies Reuters. Telegraphic dispatch office opened its doors on October fourteenth at the Royal Exchange buildings and they advertise their service this way, quote messages to any part of the continent, maybe sent to this office, and we'll be immediately forwarded communications from the continent to England maybe addressed to Mr. Julius Reuter at Calais or Austin at first this business in London was really about sending telegrams for business and personal use as well as stock prices and financial news. It wasn't a traditional news service yet, and they weren't at all the only telegram service in the area. A lot of telegram and message services were all springing up hoping to make money off the ever increasing. Telegraph lines connecting various parts of Europe. Get one of the articles that I read describing this whole thing talked about how before the telegraph made the use of pigeons totally unnecessary. And there was still a lot of pigeon use connecting various people at connecting London to the smaller towns and stuff this part of town. That they were in you needed an umbrella. Because there were so many pigeons dropping so many droppings. Reuter didn't own any of telegraph lines. He knew a lot about them though. And he was very good at prioritizing. Telegraph traffic and building relationships and negotiating terms for the transmissions that he needed to send and receive Clementina continued to work really closely with him in this business to transcribe. She translated messages coming into leaving the office. Eventually they were making enough money to hire a messenger, boy, which was eleven year old Fred Griffiths who would eventually work his way up to becoming a director in the company not long after their moved to London Clementina got pregnant for the first time that we know about since the death of their first trial their daughter, Julie a son Herbert Reuter was born on March tenth eighteen fifty two. And the Reuters went on to have five more children three daughters and two sons at the rate of about one baby every other year. So there's been some speculation that Clementina had trouble getting pregnant or carrying her pregnancies to term and the doctor Davies had helped resolve that problem. Them. And that may be true. He did for sure deliberately some of the children, but he didn't specialize in obstetrics which was still a relatively new field at the time as a telegraph system became increasingly prolific. There were more ways for people and businesses send their own telegrams. You didn't have to write your letter and mail it to the care of particular person in another city in order for it then to be transmitted from a loan. Telegraph office that was out there. So overtime Reuters service forwarding messages to and from the continent was not really as necessary anymore. People did however want the news and in places that weren't yet connected by telegraph. Whoever got a story out. I was at a huge advantage as more and more of Europe was connected by wire it leveled the playing field, but before the first transatlantic telegraph cable was completed in August of eighteen fifty eight speed was still key to making money from news coming into Europe from North America. The only way for news to make its way between North America and Europe before that line was complete which we have a whole episode on archive only way to do that was by ship. Most of these ships arriving in Europe, docked cork, but the first place that they spotted land was in cricket about seventy five miles or one hundred twenty kilometers southwest. So it took about eight hours for ships to make this last leg of the journey from craven to cork, and then dock and then deliver the news that they had on board so Reuter employed small fast boats at crook. Even once the incoming vessel carrying the news sight of shore somewhat aboard Chuck dispatch off the side in a sealed container Reuter smaller. Ship would retrieve it take it back to shore. And telegraph the dispatch back to London and there were ships doing this. Same thing on the other end of the journey at Nova Scotia cracks me up that this is how people were trying to get the story out. I was just by hugging containers off the sides of boats. I mean they were sending pigeons with trust. So. Yeah. Reuter did know that eventually there would be an underwater cable connecting Europe to North America. So just like the telegraph had closed the gap and made his pigeon post obsolete at some point this same exact thing was going to happen to his whole creek haven. Message chucking operation the same was true anywhere else that he was able to get an edge by being faster than his competition. So he increasingly turned his eye to actually reporting the news instead of just collecting distributing in. He started hiring journalists and editors and started what we'd recognize today as a wire service a service that gathered reported news and sold it to multiple newspapers. His first subscriber was the morning advertiser in October eighteen fifty eight by that point Reuter had been in London for seven years had been naturalized as a British citizen the year before Reuters big break came in eighteen fifty nine with a speech made by Napoleon the third. Napoleon had been overheard talking to the Austrian ambassador at a New Year's reception saying something along the lines of saying he was sorry. The two nations didn't have quite the friendly relationship. They used to this made international news because it implied that France might be headed toward a war with Austria, the following February seventh Napoleon the third was scheduled to make a speech before the French parliament one that we're leader suspected would confirm France's intent to go to war Reuter took full advantage of this. He had some of his best staff on hand in Paris. And he reserved time on telegraph line to coincide with the scheduled speech and his agent even manage to get a copy of the speech, a head of time under the condition that it not be opened until the speech began very curious about how he did that. But I do not know the answer. It's basically like embargoes that still happen today of you can have this information, but you can't publish your article until the certain time, however, though. Oh, regardless of by. What means they had a copy of the speech when Napoleon did start giving it the French agents started transmitting the speech word for word to London where it appeared in a special edition of the times. Just a couple of hours after it had been delivered the speech did indeed confirm that Napoleon would be going to war. This is part of what would come to be known as the second Italian war of independence. Plenty of other papers would report on this speech later, but the times reported it I also meant that the newspapers that had been like, I don't really know why I should sign up for this whole Reuter news service a bunch of them now got on board. And then once the war actually started Reuter also had reporters embedded with the troops in Austria, France. And Italy in eighteen sixty five Reuter was also the first in Europe to report the assassination of ABRAHAM LINCOLN that same year, he established a news office in Alexandria in eighteen sixty eight Britain started nationalizing telegraph service, which really. Effected Reuters business and the news industry as a whole Reuters. But London newspapers and the regional newspapers known as the provincial press worked out kind of complicated pricing scheme among themselves to make up for these changes in the telegraph system and the process, the provincial papers formed the press to give themselves collective bargaining power with Reuter they also negotiated a whole deal in which Reuter had control of the London news market. But the Press Association had exclusive rights to Reuters news outside of London. The Press Association. Also agreed not to do international reporting leaving that to Reuters agency. And this also contributed to Reuter tried to really diversify the businesses that he was in eighteen eighty and eighteen nineties because the nationalization of the telegraph and all the changes that then trickled down with all of this were eating into his profit margin. These kinds of negotiations. We're also happening internationally by eighteen. Seventy three primary wire services were reporting. The news from three different parts of Europe. Reuter was an England of us was in France and vote who we mentioned earlier was in Germany and rather than compete with each other. These three businesses got together to protect each other's monopolies in different parts of the world on January seventeenth eighteen seventy they agreed. That vote would be in Germany of us would be in France in Reuter would have the entire British empire. And this agreement was in place until nineteen thirty four. Once again this arrangement today would probably run afoul of antitrust laws and a lot of places, but at the time this was not an uncommon way of doing business, and it also had parallels things happening at the same time and the more political arena like the scramble for Africa, where countries are basically dividing Africa up amongst themselves. Also, these three services were intrinsically connected to each other Julius Reuter and Bernhardt full. Had both worked as translators for the agency which was known in French agenda, thus in eighteen seventy one the Duke of Saxe cobourg gotta made Reuter baron in Queen Victoria leader recognize his rank in Britain in eighteen seventy two Reuters expanded into East Asia fame year, Julius Reuter was also temporarily given huge control over multiple industries in Iran, which at the time was often also known as Persia Reuter had become friends with the Persian minister in London. And at the same time, the Shah Nassir eldeen shock collar was making a series of concessions to British interests. He signed what was known as the Reuter concession, which gave Reuter the rights to railways factories mining irrigation and telegraphs in Iran. This went really badly. Reuter got into this without really going through any British diplomatic channels in British politicians all over the political spectrum tried to. Distance themselves from it in editor in the times of London said in part, quote, there has been nothing like it before the king of kings abdicated, the functions if not the splendor of royalty and those still gorgeous and glittering is unable to make a road explorer mine or irrigate the lands under his dominion. So he calls in enterprising financier of the west and offers him many and precious advantages. If he will relieve the Shah in Shah of the real duties of royalty. Meanwhile, Russia which had been expanding into neighboring parts of the world saw this whole thing as a huge threat and suspected that all those British officials who were distancing themselves from what Reuter had done. We're really just trying to cover up their own involvement in a British power grab and the people of Iran were outraged. The Shah was making such huge concessions to British interests the Shara versus the concession after about a year, but Reuter still had interests in Iran. This. Revised agreement with the Shah established an Imperial Bank and his son George became its president the whole thing also set the stage for another concession of tobacco interests from Iran Britain, twenty years later, and that led to a huge uprising in Iran. The Reuters news organization kept expanding over the next decade becoming noon is the largest international news service in the world. Although it was also criticized for unnecessarily graphic coverage especially during wartime. Here's an example from an eighteen eighty three memo to correspondence written after Julius Reuters retirement quote in consequence of the increased attention paid by press to disaster, it cetera of all kinds agents and correspondence are requested to be good enough in future to notice all occurrences of the sort the following ARA vents that should be comprised on the service. Fires explosions floods inundated roads, railway accidents this. Directive storms, earthquakes, shipwrecks attended with loss of life accidents towards cels and to mail Steve IRS street riots of grave character disturbances arising from strikes duels between and suicides of persons of note, social or political and murders of a sensational or atrocious. Character it is requested that the bare facts be I telegraphed with the utmost promptitude and as soon as possible afterwards descriptive account proportionate to the gravity of the incident. It's a very long way of saying if it bleeds it leads, yes. A hundred percent Reuter retired in eighteen seventy eight and his son took over the agency, although Julius continued to be involved in the business for sometime afterward. And by this point, the Reuter family had become really wealthy. The business also continued to try to stay ahead of new technologies that became sort of part of its pattern of business. It kept adopting faster and better way. As of distributing the news as these ways were invented including using column printers. Tell types radio and satellites Julius Reuter died at his mansion Avila. Reuter in niece France on February twenty fifth eighteen ninety nine it came across the Reuters wire quote bear into Reuter, the founder of Reuters agency died at niece this morning in his eighty third year, his wife Clementina died on August fifth nineteen eleven in London and not much known about her life between her husband's death and hers, except that she had an active social life and was very good at poker. These are things we know from her a bitch wary at this point, they also have no living descendants. The fourth baron Deroit or died in nineteen fifty eight. And his widow died in two thousand nine, but it's clear that Reuters could not have become the company that it did without her and without her mostly unpaid work. There aren't even any pictures of Clementina in the Reuters archive we do know that she sat for a formal portrait at w-. One point. But that portrait now cannot be found. I kind of wanted to name this episode after both of them. But there just wasn't enough information about her, and then that seemed disingenuous it would be impossible to tell the entire history of Reuters business between then and now, but Reuters still exists as an international news organization and the division of Thomson. Reuters after being acquired by Thomson in two thousand eight of us also became Joel FRANZ class or AFP. Yeah. So two of the three places that have that sort of divvying up monopolies still exist in some form today as far as I know both did not it was taken over by Nazis and his I think was later has zone defense. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's one of those things where you think about Reuter the man, touch so many things that continue to have echoing aftereffects. I mean, he basically like de stabilized huge parts of Ron in addition to his savvy in the business world yet reading news agencies, and we really didn't get into it here. But I read an interesting article preparing for this that was about how not just international news agencies, but domestic news agencies have a huge effect on culture and on language 'cause like I mean you and I for years have used the Associated Press style guide as like that was has been like the go-to style guide at how stuff works, even though how stuff works. Has never been strictly a news reporting thing, and like how these style guides affect what is considered to be correct usage and all kinds of contexts even when they're not strictly journalism contexts was super interesting, but also not totally related to Reuter himself. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's at the center of a lot of developments that continue to reverberate. Do you have a little bit of listener mail. I do have listener mail. This is from Charles and Charles says, dear MS Wilson, and MS fry I enjoyed your two part podcast that is the two part podcast on. So join our trees as you are aware the role of slavery pervaded all of colonial and early federal life to this. 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Famous Fates: Julius Caesar

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Famous Fates: Julius Caesar

"We hope you enjoyed this episode from our series famous fates. It's about the impactful lives in shocking. Deaths of history's most influential people to hear even more episodes each week subscribed to famous fates exclusively on spotify. I'm sorry season you to my child. Oh aw hi. I'm Vanessa Richardson. I'M CORDUROY WELCOME TO FAMOUS FATES APAR- cast original exclusive to spotify each week will release five. Fresh episodes centered around around a common theme. Such as Hollywood icons influential women or music legends and each episode will take a close look at the remarkable life if public different person with help. Voice actors will dramatize their incredible lives reimagining their greatest and weakest moments. Then we'll examine Zaman. They're controversial deaths. Some deaths came too soon. Some remains shrouded in mystery and some changed the world forever ever today. We're covering Guayas. Julius Caesar a Military General Caesar rose to power as part of the Roman triumvirate for it but then took power as a dictator in the first century. B C but this great power led to his infamous death breath now back to the life of Julius Caesar Guys Julius Caesar Man. Where do you even start with him? You almost WANNA start right with his death. It is among the most famous deaths in history and all that but if we started with the death then we'd miss out on on one of history's greatest stories the story of a general who altered the course of an entire empire and really an entire world. Well why don't we start from day. One sounds like a good idea to me guys. Julius Caesar was born on July twelfth one hundred B C in the city of Rome he was a member number of genes. Julia whom according to Roman Legend were descendants of aeneas the star of virgils and need and the ancestor of Romulus and Remus the ancient founders of room and of course in these legends aeneas is the son of the Roman goddess Venus. So Caesar was descended from the Gods. Technically Lee yes well. His family must have been pretty well off considering they were direct descendants of one of the first Romans not exactly while Caesar's father also named that guy is Julius. Caesar held minor governorship in Rome's Asian province. Modern Day Turkey. The family was on the lower end of the political and financial totem pole. The governorship most likely came from the guy says sister Julia marrying guys. Maria's a very prominent and important figure in Rome at the time guys seemed to be at the top of the baby. Names list back in the one. Hundred's as was Caesar in the JEN's Julia according to Roman history. Plenty of the elder Plinio Flinty the elder yes plenty. The elder ancient Rome had the best name they did. Well according to plenty the elder the name Caesar came from one of the ancestors esters of the family being born of Syrian section which originally came from the Roman Word Kite era to cut Caesar Caesarian section makes a Lotta got a sense of the later biography of Rome. His Story Agusta would dispute this. It asserts that the name Caesar comes either from the Latin word for thick hair for gray is or for killing an elephant. That's a very specific image. But knowing Caesar and knowing that he would later have coins printed that featured elephants. I'm Kinda inclined to believe that last one. While Caesar was home-schooled taught by his mother a real Yukata and by a man named Marcus Antonius knife. Oh who would go on to tutor. Many Rome's greatest orators and politicians like many ancient Roman and Greek legends. There's not much recorded about his formative years and it's not like today where parents like to document. I meant every single moment of childhood all of the biographies on Caesar Begin at his teenage years. Though it's possible. These biographies originally had paragraphs about his younger days. If they did they are now. Sadly lost to history in his teenage years are in fact. Very good place to start with Caesar's journey to the top of Rome a journey that would let's start with tragedy when Caesar was sixteen. Come on father. We've gotTA GO in other father. Father Father what's wrong. It seems soon as if it is time to take my journey to the river. Styx you hold the power in this family. Now you are the one who has defined power be good son. I'll be better. I must be better. The death of guy was devastating. To the JEN's Julia I would imagine in any time in history. Losing a loved. Point is an easy. Well yes but I was also talking. About the loss of the family's political power gas was grooming the young Caesar to succeed him in his political life hoping hoping to continually increase the family's power and to restore the great Julia named to its mythological origins. GEIS's early death. I assume meant that Caesar Caesar was too young to take over his father's political career. That's correct Caesar's entire life up to that point was heading towards that destiny and now in an instant it had been swept away and consider that now at the age of sixteen. Caesar was the head of the family the burdens of his family's life and welfare now rested on his shoulders. Caesar didn't back down from these challenges. He turned this into a positive of sorts to make him and his family better than his father could have ever imagined. It began to plan a new path towards a better life. His initial plan was to Mary into a wealthy family. He was soon engaged to a wealthy woman named Katsushika Sushila whom he had been promised to since his birth. Caesar generally would have had to wait a couple years before actually getting married to his lifelong bride but with his father's death breath. Caesar pushed the engagement head quite a bit while. Caesar was trying to settle his future. A civil war loomed in Rome. Much of Caesar's just childhood was surrounded by the social wars a war between Rome and the other cities of Italy over the rights of Roman citizenship. You're telling me the social wars has nothing onto twitter. Unfortunately no although Rome would end up winning this war it was only the beginning of the republic's troubles the social wars featured. The rise is a number of military stars but none were more significant than Lucius. Cornelius Sela and Gayus Marius Guys Marias as in Caesar's Uncle by oh I'm marriage one and the same sylla was actually Marius his protege during the war. But they're opposing. Political ambitions would soon lead to them breaking apart Sola uh-huh and Maria were members of separate political factions and the social war strain on Rome brought a great tension between the parties to the surface. Selo was an optimist and believed in the authority of the Senate and the power of the upper classes whereas Marius was populaires who pushed for more input from the popular assemblies and tribunals Dell's age-old battle really in the aftermath of the Social Wars Sela and Marius both sought to lead the armies to war against another enemy mithra dates rates of Pontus who was warring over Rome's eastern territories and the Senate initially voted for Sola to take the army's to war however when Sella left the city a tribunal voted against the measure and transferred the power of the army tomorrow and. When Sola got word of this he wasn't happy he marched back to Rome home preparing to take on anyone in his way? We have to get out of here. Why haven't you heard Sylla's marching on Rome? What sella's marching on Rome with Rome's own army and with your relationship with guys Marias? We need to get you to safe place quickly my place just outside the city we can hide you there. I must get my wife Hurry. We don't have much time. Caesar could only watch. WATCH AS Roma's own men for the first time in its history siege the city it was an image that would remain with him for the rest of his life Sola. It was successful in taking back his command he exiled Marius and probably left Rome. With all of its soldiers to fight Mithra dates but as someone who was making his way to the Eastern Provinces Marias formed a ragtag army and staged their own invasion of Rome. Marius alongside his ally Lucius Cornelius. Cigna Anna Purge Rome of many of Solis followers and declared Sola an enemy of the State Lucius Cornelius Sela and Lucius Cornelius cinna on opposite ends ends of the war. Men Names agent role must have been very confusing. Yes they seem to be. In any case Sola was now an enemy of Rome and because Ozzy was so far off even when word reached him he could not immediately return. It was a good idea in theory. At least take back power and either hope that Sela dies in battle or that you can build your following enough to take down well your own army. Marias died early in the next year leaving center in charge of the new political movement. But Marius left one gift for his family specifically for the Young Julius Caesar Out East and Caesar's young age meant inheriting his is father's old governorship was out of the question but Marias and his followers were able to procure the position of Fleming dials. For Caesar Instead Caesar was now L. The high priest of the leader of the Gods Jupiter. That seems like it's a pretty important position. It definitely was not as powerful as governorship. It was says respected. Jen's Julia was making its way back to the top Senate took a great interest in Caesar most likely as a favor Tamari us and took him under his wing during his time in power sin is noted as a man who easily made a tyranny looked like democracy wonder if that will come back up and Caesar's lifetime Senate Zinta thought so highly of the young Julius Caesar that he allowed him to marry his daughter. wait what happened to Cassia well as the Fleming dials Caesar was required required to marry into the upper class and although Cassia was wealthy she was still a member of what was essentially the middle class at the time. Also the law required Caesar to break off off his relationship with his bride. Indeed Cassuto was left in the dust and Caesar was married to Cornelia the daughter of CINNA. So Caesar's plan to get power through. Marriage still was successful just not in the way he expected. Cornelia and Cesar had a single child together. Julia and Caesar seemed happy. It seems Ed kept his promise to make a better life than his father but then came the sulay problem of course word reached Sela of all the machinations happening in Rome. He Still Jill how to defeat mithra dates but in the back of his mind he was always thinking of his return to Rome. After claiming Roman Victory Solo rushed through two days of peace negotiations nations and didn't even contact the Senate about terms highly irregular but Sola was determined to save Rome Sela and Senna's armies engaged in a bloody battle but the sheer power of the Solas army alongside sin is death at the hands of a mutiny. Meant Solo was again victorious. Sola appointed himself indefinite dictator in immediately went to work dismantling the regime. Marius had begun. Sola and his men destroyed statues dug up Marris's corpse and threw it into into the river and took away the power of Marris's allies which included Caesar's position as the Flam dials sees. You understand stand that I can strip you of your inheritance your wife's inheritance and you'll position as the high priest of Jupiter. I would guess I don't. We'll have much of a choice in the matter. You are a smart boy. You will lose all this but you can choose to save your own life. Oh you would be so kind of course you would think me to be a savage. Your Life can be spared if you choose to divorce Cornelia Anelia know what you can take away my power my money my pride my life but you cannot take away that which is personal final to me. Do you not understand the position. You are in boy. Oh I understand. I understand that you're scared of the power that I may yet hold. I hold holds all the power here. That's what you think. This is an act of treason against the dictator of Rome. Know that your life has ended. Caesar and it is by your own hand. Caesar's defiance of Sola was shocking to the new regime. And the first sign of Caesar's Brash side Sela officially really put out a prescription for Caesar not long afterwards proscription was basically a means of the state approving the murder of person but one had defined the approved victim victim. I and no one could find the condemned. Julius Caesar meanwhile the Family and Friends of Caesar who mostly and conveniently were Sala supporters pleaded pleaded with Sela to keep the young Caesar alive even the vestal virgins declared that it would be a mistake in the eyes of the gods to murder him now. That's a big endorsement on your resume. Eventually Solo was calmed down and he canceled the proscription on Julius. Caesar have your own way in. Take him only bear in. Mind that the man you are so eager to save will one day deal the death blow to the cause of the aristocracy which you have joined with me in upholding for in this. Caesar there exists many Mary. Is's Caesar could now breathe a sigh of relief. He was safe from now. Caesar didn't exactly see Sela as a trustworthy guy he still was on the warpath of taking down Maurice's previous allies. There was nothing to indicate that Sola wouldn't reverse his pardon on Caesar if he sneezed the wrong way so Caesar and his wife ran from Rome while they were safe from officially being murdered they headed toward the eastern turn provinces where he still had many associates who remembered his father. Well he also decided to join the army. which would be the beginning of his lifelong passion and that is true? Rise to power a passion that would have been impossible to find a couple of months beforehand because he was too young no because he was the flom in Dallas. The high I priest of Jupiter was not allowed to look at the army or spend more than a few nights outside the city. Heke wasn't even allowed to touch a horse. Seems a little extreme here telling me but if Marius followers had kept in power or even if Sela had not stripped Caesar of his position he could have never even looked to the army as an option. Literally the entire hire. History of our world would be different. If Caesar was never allowed to touch a horse the world would be different simply of Caesar had done anything other than BS accessible soldier and he was a very successful soldier when he was known for his bravery in battle and was one of the youngest ever recipients of the Civic Crown in award given in for saving the civilian in battle. Caesar grew such a reputation among his comrades that he was often entrusted by the generals to take on the most important and significant tasks asks as an example. He was entrusted to travel to Thenia to chat with its King King Nicomedes in hopes of making an ally of his naval fleet. A new soldier a former enemy of Rome now is being sent on his lonesome to make a deal with a king. Let that sink in and Caesar spent a long time the thenia such a long time in fact that it was constantly questioned what he was doing over there. It's likely that Caesar was building his own personal relationship with the king with an eye on his future political aspirations if he had a personal relationship with the country than it wouldn't be too hard to form a partnership if Caesar happened to find himself in a position the power but the rumor that spread around Rome was that Caesar engaged in a sexual relationship with the king. This rumor followed Caesar around for his entire life. Even the soldiers he commanded with just about the legend. Caesar vehemently denied the rumor. But really we'll never know what happened with India Caesar fought with the military until seventy seventy eight BC e when he received word that Selo was dead. Caesar picked up his family and finally returned home a home that always had a special place in his heart. SCISSOR however was back at square one now or really at square zero as he was much worse off societally now than he was when he left and the loss of his inheritance many had no money and his military success meant very little to the general public. Plus with the optimists that supported Sela still in charge of Rome. Caesar wasn't going to take any chances in getting back what he lost and even when he was made aware of the new Anti Sola Group forming he found the group so lacking in leadership and corrupt that he chose not to participate even though it would have raised him back to prominence instead he found a nice house in Sabira living among the lower classes of Rome and turn to to a life of legal advocacy. Something he turned out to be rather good at ladies and gentlemen my fellow Romans. We are here today today not to discuss the past lives of Cornelius. Stola Bella it seems that too many he lived a great past life. Even I can see see that. No we are here to talk about the corruption the extortion the lies and the cheating he lived through in his most recent life as Triumph by the end of this trial. You'll wish for his blood to run through these streets. You'll wish that those past lives lives could have never even existed. You'll whis room. Seems a little harsh. No Oh come now quintas. which or two would you rank above him? Who can rile a crowd more? Get the more engaged than Caesar. Caesar really came into his own. During this period his powerful word choices his in combination with his wild hand gestures and distinctive slightly. High pitched voice made him one of Rome's most noted speakers but even as Caesar gained fame. Mm for taking down Rome's most corrupt leaders. He felt that he still had much room to improve so he once again picked up his things and left Rome this time heading to roads to study under the greatest Greek orders unfortunately along the way he was kidnapped by soliciting pirates. How would Caesar handle handle that? And we'll see after a quick word about our sponsors will return to our story in just a moment now back to the life of Julius. Caesar you said Caesar was kidnapped by Pirates Yup pirates. How much should we demand his release twenty gold talents? This boy seems worth that much. You'll be severely underpaid of. That's what you're demanding. You dare to speak out of turn only twenty gold talents. I'm worth at least fifty fifty. You really think you're worth that much of course I'm I'm a war hero. A famous speaker a rising star among the Romans you can easily demand fifty and get it all right last fifty then thanks. Your brashness is admirable prisoner. Please call me Caesar. Do you think you could grab me something to write with. I'm in the mood to write some poetry. He's asking for demands. Now wonderful. Why not? It's the least we can do after all you're making us fifty gold the richer and also know this once. The ransom is paid. I am returned to Rome. I will get army's raise a fleet and chase after you until you are captured and crucified by my own hands. Well we'll get you something right with them for the thirty eight days. He was prisoner of these pirates. Caesar refused to act like a prisoner Sner. He joked around with them. Play Games and exercised alongside them and yes even wrote poetry. Dramatically read it to the pirates and called them barbarians Arians for not appreciating his brilliant work eventually the pirates received the fifty gold pieces. Caesar at promised and Caesar was released. He didn't hesitate to make make good on his promise. He got his fleet. He chased captured and brought back the pirates to Rome to have them crucified but Caesar remembered how well his captors a treated him during his imprisonment so he slid all their throats as they were crucified. In order to lessen their suffering that Caesar being nice folks on out of the way he finally made his way to roads but he was only there briefly before he was called back to military action in Asia. By the time Caesar again returned to Rome. His stock has greatly risen between his military bravery his speaking career and his ordeal with the pirates. The legends around Cesar had already begun begun to grow and Caesar was finally elected to public office becoming military tribunal in seventy two BC. It was around this time that the Roman army dealt with the Spartacus. It's likely that as a Military Tribune Caesar was involved in quelling. The revolt a couple years later in sixty nine BC. Caesar was elected or taxman of the Hispania province. But not long after this election. Caesar's mother Julia his aunt also Julia and his wife Cornelia died in quick succession. And Caesar gave the Eulogy. Is it all of their funerals. And the eulogy for his aunt is one of the only records of Caesar Isra speeches. We still have access to today. The family of my aunt Julia's descended by her mother from the kings and on her father's side is akin to the immortal gods. For the Marquis Regis go back to the Anka's marchioness and the the family of which ours is a branch to venous us our stock therefore has at once the sanctity of kings whose power is supreme among mortal men and the claim to reverence which attached to the gods who hold sway over kings themselves. This was another key aspect of Caesar's rise. He began constantly referring ferring to his special heritage. which for a long time had been downplayed by his family being the descendants of kings and gods and founders made? Caesar seemed like he was destined first in for greatness and maybe he was after the funeral for his wife. Caesar finally traveled to Spain to serve his ship and in Spain he suffered a midlife crisis. Do you know who this statue is of Marcus. Of course it's Alexander the Great Indeed Alexander the great the greatest conqueror this world has ever seen by the age of thirty. He had the entire world that his feet all of society in the palm of his hands all the knowledge of the universe in his head. And here I am thirty one standing before his statue having done nothing of note in my own life I guess comparing yourself with Alexander. The Great. We'll do that to you comparing yourself to anyone with the great officially in their name. We'll probably do that. Caesar decided to end his quest ship early and move back to Rome. He was determined to make a name for himself amongst the Roman people name. That may someday be as great as Alexander's and he started with another politically charged. Marriage to pump paige heya the granddaughter of Silla marrying the granddaughter of your former enemy a man who wanted you killed anything to get ahead. I suppose all's Fair in love of war and politics it seems Caesar live by that motto. Caesar's way up the political ladder involved holding many minor positions including curator of the happy and way roams longest and most important road of travel where he put himself into debt rebuilding the roads just so everyone entering Rome would see his work and no it was his work and and then as the head of the festivals or the curial dial where he also spent much money on hosting public games in order to gain favor with the public. Caesar seem to know the the importance of getting your name out there remember. That's what he was told throughout his childhood. That's what he thought. He lost with his father's death. Caesar New in Rome that your name and and your legacy meant everything. He knew that when he looked at the statue of Alexander the Great and the eye on his legacy impacted his private life when an infidelity scandal all surrounded his wife a divorce. You cannot be serious. I am very serious here otherwise I would have never even brought up the idea but Claudius yes was found innocent all is back to being as it should that includes us but the people are still suspicious of you compare and the wife of Caesar must be above suspicion. We are through and that is the end of the story. The wife of Caesar must be above suspicion. Now that right there is a nice turn of phrase. Caesar was very serious about his future and any little thing that might disrupt his plans. He rid it from his life. The man was driven. You can say that anything to get to the next step. Caesar continued to expand his resume. He was pontiff maximus in sixty three. BC Z.. E. Pray tour in sixty two and pro consular. That same year it was like ancient networking. Get your name out to everyone and anyone. Because you never knew. Arise in power could come from. Caesar's political maneuvering finally led to him being elected consul in fifty nine. BC Console was among the most important in political positions in Roman society. Really second only to being in the Senate itself. It was something that Caesar's father had aspired to become an now finally a Caesar held the console position but only after a controversial election in which all three candidates were accused of bribery and intimidation. But at the end it was Caesar and another man named Marcus. Bibi Lewis who held the consul ship Cesar. Now in a position of true power began to really use it to his advantage a couple years. There's before Cesar in debt from his time creating good roads and even better parties asked for help of one of Rome's richest men. Marcus Crassus Crisis had agreed to pay some of Caesar's debts if he agreed to stand with crassus against the policies of another man. POMPEII the great. At the time Caesar stood with crassus now he item much bigger prize. Why have you brought us together? Caesar why have you brought me to the same table as my enemy. I hi asked the same question. Caesar which one of us do you mean to betray here. Gentlemen Gentlemen I betray. No one I am here in the greater interest of our beloved city. Hey listen we are the three most powerful men in all of Rome with crassus money pompey power and my influence there. There is no one that can match our ability to control the business and politics of Rome. What are you suggesting? I suggest a partnership an alliance between the three three of us to enact all the change influence we could ever wish for. I'm sure the three of us can come to some agreements and with only the best for us and for the city in mind. Of course I am willing to listen as am I continue Caesar and with that the first triumvirate was formed and or as it was known to many Roman politicians at the time. The three headed monster. Well it does sound like something that if you rewrote you could easily turn into a Roman Myth Myth Caesar sweetened the deal by offering pompeii the hand of his daughter Julia and promising crassus the repayment of his debts and Caesar himself engaged aged in another political marriage of his own cal purnea the daughter of a high ranking senator at first the group operated in secret only helping each other in the shadow shadows of Rome but with any group that powerful it eventually has to come out in the open when Caesar proposed a law that would redistribute lands to the poor by force crassus in Pompeii both publicly supported. It outing the group's consolidation Caesar's fellow console business could not stand idly by and watch this happen though we might have wished he did. This is an outrage. This is madness. We let these three run wild while the omens are unfavorable Oh and the oracles only see darkness. I demand we make this new law void in order to protect this republic silence have. Aw God's do something now we must. We must fight this injustice. Throw the horse excrement on them. Yeah there's nothing more humiliating or to some more funny than being covered in Poop. Fibula probably didn't find it funny but he sure was embarrassed. He spent the rest of his console ship. In his home refusing to come out resulting in Caesar being unopposed in his power especially considering considering that the senators and other leaders saw this incident and were intimidated to oppose Caesar as well. Many Roman writers referred to fifty nine BC as the console ship of Julius. And Caesar as Caesar's year in the console ship was ending many of Rome's most powerful were ready to Nail Caesar for all of his misdeeds in the plays at power. But Caesar had the last laugh here as well. By the end of his time as consul he was able to secure himself a position as the governor of SIS Alpine Gaulle but more importantly he set his time as governor for a total of five years. which meant that? He had immunity from prosecution for those entire five years has much as the aristocracy of Rome wanted to strangle Caesar legally. Now they couldn't and Caesar was smart enough to not take the chance that they would illegally strangle him mm-hmm so as soon as his counsel ship was over he wrote off into the sunset towards Gaul. Caesar might have escaped unscathed but he now had to reset his life. In in many senses he was away from Rome back in large debt and found himself in command of four legions of soldiers so he did. What any sensible man and would do he conquered? Most of the known world seems reasonable. In that first year alone Caesar raised an additional two legions of soldiers and took on the tribes tribes that surrounded his area of rule by year two. He had doubled the size of his army and had taken most of Gaul by force. Caesar was officially in. Take no prisoners. Disner mode sir coming across the river. I see that soldier. Shall I prepare the votes of no. No gather what materials you can. We're going to build a bridge. Excuse me Sir. Are you deaf soldier. We're going to build a bridge across this river and continued this conquest. But Sir we could just take the boots the boats limit. How many of us can cross soldier? And besides that we must show these tribes that we are Romans we you must show them that. Nobody can match our power our passion and our ability to take the fight to them no matter which river or mountain they hide behind and we are Rome and we will take our enemies no matter the cost yes sir and besides a bridge is just more dignified will return to our story in just a moment now back to the life of Julius Caesar soon all of Gaul was taken. Now under Caesar's control he controversially included the GERMANIC tribes. He conquered into his army. Since it was against against Roman Law to include foreign lands in Roman armies Caesar reunited with his triumphant buddies to consolidate their alliance crassus and POMPEII agreed to to run for consul ship. And after they succeeded in getting elected they extended Caesar's governorship to an unprecedented ten years. Not only could Caesar continue to avoid being taken to task for his brash political and military actions but now he could continue to be Alexander. The great aunt have the world at his feet and with most of Modern Day Europe now under his grasp. Caesar looked across the sea to the Isle of Britain. For once however Caesar found himself in a stalemate eight and due to an approaching winter he had to retreat. If the Germans had studied there Julius Caesar history before invading Russia in World War Two. Well who knows in the spring however Caesar returned to Britain with a bigger army and a better sense of the land and was very close to completely overtaking it which would have completely completely altered the history of Western civilization as we know it. The British Empire would've ended before it had begun the monarchy Britain's financial power its eventual expansion expansion around the world and throughout Europe. All probably would not have happened. Had Britain fall into the Roman Empire. Even imagining how Britain would have fared during the fall of the Roman Empire. It's hard to imagine the implication of a Roman takeover of the UK fortunately for Britain. And unfortunately for Caesar back in Rome things were erupting into chaos crisis had been killed in an unsuccessful invasion of the east and Julia had died while giving birth to pompey's child word. Got Back to Cesar of Crassus and Julius death and that POMPEII had been elected emergency console. Caesar saw the triumphant crumbling before his eyes and offered Pompeii pay the hand of his great niece but POMPEII had already married. The daughter of a noted political opponent of Caesar's the triumphant was no more singing the signs on the wall. That Rome was on the verge of a civil war. Caesar left Britain before his conquests could be completed. Rome came before his personal thirst for power but for good measure. He stopped a couple of gallic revolts on the way back home and continued to grow his army as they marched to Rome. Man Caesar on the warpath literally literally he was taking things over for nine straight years according to Greek and Roman historian plutarch during his governorship. Caesar killed one million men. Enslaved one million more conquered three hundred tribes and burned eight hundred cities to the ground. It's probably a bit of an exaggeration duration probably but considering how much ground Caesar covered it honestly might not be that far off by fifty BC. Caesar was finally home to take on his city. Sir We are approaching the Rubicon. Are you sure you only need a single legion sir. We're all ready to fight for you. Stand Down Soldier. One Legion will be more than enough. They already fear the idea of me. There's no need to expend more men or energy than necessary. Yes Sir Ready when you are Sir let the die be cast. Let's go men. Caesar was correct in his assumption. Despite having a larger army than Caesar did POMPEII and many of his followers fled the city as soon as word of Caesar's arrival reached the Senate about reputation preceding you with Pompeii out of the city. Caesar arrived and placed his most trusted General Mark Antony in charge of the city while he left pursue pompeii now seen as a traitor for leaving Rome. In its time of need. Caesar's Army marched for twenty seven. Straight days finally catching up to Pompeii in Greece though POMPEII was able to escape. Caesar Hanley defeated pompey's army and accepted their surrender. Caesar returned to Rome now. A hero WPRO. Instead of the feared power-hungry criminal he had been seen as ten years. Before in quite a turnaround. The name of Caesar was once again held in high regard. He was was appointed dictator but immediately step down from the position in order to temporarily restore the republic and become a consul again which allowed him to leave for Egypt when he received word that POMPEII had made an appearance there when he arrived in Egypt however he discovered the POMPEII had already been assassinated. He was presented with pompey's head. Allegedly Caesar began to cry and sentenced the assassins to death under Roman law. Cesar had a very complicated relationship with Pompeii. He was a friend partner husband of his daughter and great enemy. I wouldn't doubt Caesar broke down at that moment while in Egypt. Caesar decide to see if you could make some alliances. It was here that he met Cleopatra Queen Cleopatra I present Consul Julius Caesar of Rome thank you you Awadh dismissed a pleasure to meet you. Cleopatra the pleasure is all mine welcome to Egypt thank you. Egypt has indeed been quite welcoming assassinating your greatest enemy. I suppose that's coming. I was most disappointed that I didn't strike the final blow to pompey himself. But I came here to see justice be served on Rome's behalf and though not the way I intended it is a result all the same and yet you still had the assassins killed well yes murder is murder a crime no matter the victim surely you I would agree. You are ruthless man Cesar. There's no other way for Caesar to be. You are welcome to stay in the palace if you choose to stay in Egypt for a while. Thank you I look forward to delving into many more of Egypt spudis and treasurers and thus began a legendary a romance between Julius Caesar and Queen Cleopatra When Cleopatra and her brother went to war against each other it was her alliance with Caesar. That turned the tide title battle. Caesar's armies quickly installed Cleopatra as the Sole Pharaoh of Egypt Cleopatra and Caesar never married or really made the relationship public although it was the worst kept secret and all of Rome. Cleopatra was a constant visitor of Caesar's villa. It wasn't hard to connect the dots. The two of them did likely have a son together and end up until Caesar's death they were in love. No one in Rome. Ever took Caesar to task for having a romance with Cleopatra while he was still married in Rome it wasn't considered sittard adultery. If the relationship was with a person of a foreign land another reason for Caesar getting away with it was that now he was a completely beloved leader of the Roman People Camman he had to have some enemies obviously but instead of conscripting them like Sola had done in his youth. Caesar pardoned them all. He kept all his enemies alive. Live how is that a good idea. Well after he took out the last of pompey's supporters around the outskirts of the Roman Empire. Caesar returned to Rome in initially made peace with everyone. He could with him not killing anyone else. Everyone was comfortable with Caesar's rule no one really opposed him and he was made dictator with pretty much. No no issues. Well not everyone was comfortable with Caesar. There were some that found the celebration of Caesar's return in very poor taste as it was Romans. He defeated not foreign born invaders in any case. Caesar kept his dictatorship this time around and began to enact sweeping changes. Caesar never allowed the images of his youth to escape him and he realized that since the days of Marius and Solas war that the Roman republic had been in a state of constant anarchy and that the power struggle between the consoles the Senate and the triumphs would only serve to contribute to the fall of Rome so he established a new constitution in hopes of restoring the government into a strong unit Senate and in hopes of uniting all of Rome's various territories into a single cohesive empire. Caesar went to work passing nonstop legislation that he felt helped worked towards his new goal. He took a new census. In order to lessen the tax and green burden placed upon the people he restructured debt and rewarded families. Who bore many children hoping to quickly repopulate Rome? After so many wars his longest lasting legacy was the restructuring of the calendar. He took inspiration from the adoption. Calendar which was based upon the sun and added three months to account for difference and season the Julian calender made its debut on January first forty five BC e and it basically is the calendar. We still use today on the most important decision at the time. And the one that directly led to Caesar's downfall was the changes he made made to the Senate from here on out. I and I alone will make all decisions. That will have an impact on our great empire. You are all Welcome to come in and debate the matter as you wish but all laws all matters of state will come by my hand. This this is betrayal. This goes against all that room stands for. This is for everything that Rome stands for. This is a rebirth of this great city. This great empire after years of you fools wasting our time and money and arguments and civil war. It is time time someone rose to the occasion to return Rome to its original splendor and that person is Julius. Caesar Yeah Yeah. Remember those people that weren't too happy with the celebration of Caesar's return it was mostly the Senate and the Senate saw the republic crumbling before their eyes and they knew they had to act and act fast. So as you probably remember from reading your Shakespeare in high school many of the senators including Caesar's trusted general brutus conspired it to murder Caesar and restore the Senate's power. Once you may not know is that Shakespeare wasn't creating fiction when he wrote about the soothsayer warning. Caesar of the ides heads of March. Beware the ides of March. In fact Caesar allegedly had plenty of warning before his assassination. According to legend a bird flew into into the hall of Pompeii just days before the murder took place and tore a Laurel branch to pieces as if POMPEII had come back to devise the death of his enemy and a friend friend had said that one of his horses wandered off and began to cry signifying. A great death was about to occur and even a few months before a tomb in the Roman colony of Capela Capela was opened and allegedly one of the vases inside was inscribed with a warning that Italy would pay great price if the tomb was ever disturbed it basically the entire universe was trying to warn Caesar of this great tragedy some Roman historians questioned. Why Caesar didn't take more heed? These warnings some some theorize that Caesar knew he was growing ill and did not care if he died soon or that he knew that his death would only further his 'cause we're all others theorized that Caesar was was buying into his own hype and that he was a god who couldn't be touched on March fifteenth forty four BC. One of the most notable and famous deaths in all of history occurred but fate tried to intervene one more time. Marc Anthony. Why what's the rush rush? Have no time for your games drew bonus and must make it to the Senate floor before but Anthony. They've already in the middle of their meeting interrupt. Them would not be wise. You don't understand. They're they're going to. Oh no not on this to Trapani. It's too late Anthony by now. Dita's it's done. It is for the best of this public. There's nothing you can do you monsters. You fail to realize what you're doing you are starting let me through. Now it's useless. There is nothing you can do to save him. Don't make yourself an enemy. You not an enemy for killing an innocent man in cold blood. Let me go. Let me go. Hello Mark Antony would fail to reach Caesar and time ignorant of what was to come. Caesar's stepped into the Senate chambers and never again stepped out you to my child. Julius Caesar was dead at the age of fifty five but as much as the Senate tried couldn't quiet the legacy of Caesar their air conspiracy would fail the Roman people who had taken a liking to Caesar would revolt against the Senate mark. Antony would lead Caesar's loyal soldiers into war against against the last vestiges of the republic. The Roman Empire had begun. Caesar's adoptive son Gas Octavius. Augustus would eventually become Rome's I emperor Julius Caesar looked his whole life to leave a legacy and to bring greatness to the Caesar name and I would say he was pretty successful at it. It's hard to put into words. Exactly what Caesar's legacy is it expands far beyond what we can ever imagine. He began the Roman Empire helping to spread Rome's influence influence and intellect around the globe. He is the iconic image of the dictator one of the earliest examples of the cult of personality and inspired people such as Napoleon and Mussalini to practice their own form of caesarian rule. But the fact that Julius Caesar is one of history's most famous names and that we are. We're still talking about him here and now says much about Julius legacy than anything else could he wanted to be remembered and he truly is Thanks for listening you can find more episodes of famous fates and all other park has two originals for free on spotify famous fates is a spotify exclusive not only to spotify. I already have all of your favorite music but now spot advise making easy for you to enjoy all of your favorite podcast originals. Like famous fates for free from your phone phone desktop or smart speaker to stream famous fates on spotify just open the APP and type famous fates in the search bar remember. It's a spotify exclusive so you can only find the show right here and don't forget to follow us on facebook and Instagram at park cast and twitter at podcast at work. We'll see you next time. Hi podcast listeners. It's Carter if you love historical figures we'd love to hear from you. By taking a quick survey your feedback will help us. 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March 15, 2020: Julius Caesar Assassinated

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March 15, 2020: Julius Caesar Assassinated

"Today is Sunday march fifteenth. Twenty twenty on this day in forty four BC e Roman general and dictator. Julius Caesar was assassinated by a cabal of evil senators. Welcome to today and true crime podcast. Original due to the graphic nature of today's crimes listener discretion is advised extreme. Caution is advised for listeners under thirteen. Today we're covering the death of fifty five year old. Julius Caesar let's go back to ancient Rome in the early hours of the morning of March Fifteenth Forty Four B. C. E. The morning started slowly for Caesar. The march was an important religious holiday for the Romans. As well as the day to settle debts he had plenty to do yet. Couldn't even seem to get started instead. He had to endure. A deluge of ominous warnings and paranoid whispers. His doctors worried. He would soon have a dizzy spell and collapse. His friends claimed there was a conspiracy against him. Even his wife help. Hernia harangued him to stay at home claiming she'd had frightening dreams of his violent demise. Luckily he was saved by his friend. And Confidante Decima Brutus. Brutus wave away. Help complaints and the rumors of revolt as idle gossip. The Senators had invited Caesar to the theatre hoping to honor him with a gladiatorial if he turned them down over a strange dream. They'd be insulted. Brutus and Caesar then made the long walk Caesar's home to the theater of pompey constructed by his ally turned nemesis. Hoppy the great though Caesar had mixed feelings about the general he admired pompiers legacy. The theater was the first of its kind and featured a breathtaking manicured garden complete with hand. Sculpted water pieces. But Caesar didn't get much chance to admire the scenery that day instead brutus ushered him into the Curia. A small room near the entrance to the theater inside. Dozens of senators were waiting. He'd hardly sat down. When one lucious Tilles CIMBER approached him lucious begged Caesar to allow his exiled brother who blessed to come home to Rome. Caesar refused to consider the matter but lucious would not be easily dismissed. He pleaded with Caesar to let Pugliese. Return even clawing at Caesar's Toga and grasping his shoulders. As Lucius spoke the other senators started to crowd Caesar lending their support to lucious and babbling about their own pet projects. Finally a stunned and annoyed. Caesar cast lucious away proclaiming. Why this is violence. The moment was exactly what another Senator Casca was waiting for with. Caesar's is on Lucius. Casca drew a dagger from his Toga and rusted. At Caesar's neck landed only a shallow cut and in an instant. Caesar spun around and grabbed. Casco's arm ever the Kool military man. Caesar remained calm and held casca firmly at his mercy but CASCA had only been the first strike and it was impossible for Caesar to stop all his enemies as he started to question. Casca he felt a white hot pain explode across his back then. Another then another. He was stabbed twenty three times as he lay covered in blood. There's some dispute about his last words. Several sources claim. He didn't say anything one claims. He covered his face with his Togo when he saw his friend. Brutus had joined in the assassination another state. Caesar addressed Brutus you to child. It was this version adapted by Shakespeare. To et Tu Brute then Fall Caesar which has reigned supreme in the public consciousness since then but the fall of Caesar was only the first step in the conspirators quest to seize power a quest which would eventually lead to the total collapse of the Roman republic coming up. We discuss the aftermath of Julius Caesar's assassination and the imminent civil war high listeners. I'm excited to announce that CRIME JUNKIES FLOWERS. A new podcast original series. I think you'll really enjoy. It's called supernatural with Ashley. Flowers and you can find brand new episodes every Wednesday. We all know that most mysteries can be solved by looking at the facts but sometimes the facts don't lead to a logical explanation and the truth lies somewhere in the unknown in supernatural with Ashley. Flowers Ashley takes a deep dive into the strange and surreal to explain some of the world's most bizarre true crime occurrences each week. She'll dig into a different crime or mystery where the most fitting theory isn't always the most conventional from exorcisms to unsolved murders to alien abductions. Ashley will take on. The tails challenged the unexplained and dissect the facts with a heavy helping of skepticism and rationale. So are you ready to get to the bottom of history's most peculiar events? Follow supernatural with Ashley. Flowers free on spotify. Or wherever you get your podcasts. Now back to the story on March Fifteenth Forty four BC. Roman leader. Julius Caesar was stabbed in the back by his political enemies immediately following his death the conspirators ran throughout Rome proclaiming that the dictator was dead and that the city was free. The reaction was not exactly what they expected. Though Caesar had been a dictator he was immensely popular among the lower classes of the city. He also had support from a vast portion of his veteran forces. The all rallied behind mark. Antony an ally of Caesar who had tried to stop the assassination. Antony said about consolidating his position as the remaining conspirators slipped out of Rome and built armies of their own but Antony's progress was slowed when he learned Cesar had left the bulk of his fortune to his eighteen year. Old Grand Nephew and adopted son Octavius after struggling amongst themselves octavius. Antony eventually formed an alliance together. They set out to face the armies of the so called liberators who supported the assassination of Caesar. The liberators were led by. Brutus and Cassius two of the men who had killed Caesar in forty two BC. Antony and Octavius set sail and attacked the army of the liberators near the Grecian city of Philip Pie. Both armies were of similar size. But Antony and octavius forces were better rested into battles the Roman forces vanquished the liberators. Thousands of soldiers were killed and both Cassius and brutus died by suicide to prevent their capture with that. The civil war ended but the struggle for power continued as the Roman empire was divided between octavius. Mark Antony and Lapidus who had been Caesar's master of Horse in the ensuing years octavius strengthened his position in the western regions of the empire. While Antony did the same in the east intermittent conflict erupted between the two over the years but things did not truly come to a head again until thirty three. Bc that year civil war looked imminent once more. Antony allied with Cleopatra in Egypt. Named Caesar and Cleopatra's son the true heir of Caesar Octavius couldn't stand to have his status as Caesar's heir threatened in thirty two B. C. E. He rallied the Senate to his side and declared war against Cleopatra and Antony the resulting conflict ended in Antony's final defeat in thirty BC. He died in Cleopatra's arms with almost all of octavius. As enemies gone he was left to acquire supreme power for himself. He eventually took on the name. Caesar Augustus and ushered in an era known as the principal. The principal mark the beginning of a time where Rome was ruled by a single emperor formally ending the Roman Republic. Though Augusta says later rule would usher in the POX Romana A- period of peace his efforts to concentrate political power likely contributed to the eventual fall of the empire heralded as a power mad dictator by his assassins. Julius Caesar would have likely founded amusing that these same assassins ensured the death of the Republic in life and in death. Caesar played a pivotal role in the trajectory of the empire and his murder became the quintessential symbol of betrayal at the hands of one's friends a backstabbing a symbol. That will continue to persist for Millennia. Thanks for listening today in true crime. I'm Vanessa Richardson. If you'd like to learn more about. Julius Caesar and his deadly betrayal listen to my episode about him on the podcast original famous fates today in true crime was created by Max Cotler and is a podcast studios original it is executive produced by Max Cutler sound designed by Anthony Val sick with production assistance by Ron Shapiro Carly Madden and Aaron Larson. This episode of today in true crime was written by terrel wells with writing assistance by Maggie Admire. I'm Vanessa Richardson High Listeners. If you haven't heard it already. I highly recommend you check out the new podcast original series supernatural with Ashley Flowers every Wednesday. 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The Rosenbergs Pt. 2: An Explosive Mistake

Espionage

43:39 min | 1 year ago

The Rosenbergs Pt. 2: An Explosive Mistake

"November nineteen Forty-five a nondescript movie theater, Julius Rosenberg stepped into the dim screening room and quickly looked around the movie was already playing, but he didn't mind he wasn't there for a show at the back of the theater Julius made his way up a narrow staircase to the balcony. He watched the doors for a few seconds to make sure nobody had followed him when he was satisfied. He was alone. Julius walked the length of the balcony in stopped at a small alcove. He had been here. Many times before this small hole in the back of the theater was his official drop zone whenever he wanted to contact KGB agent. He left a message here. But today was different when Julius reached into the alcove. He felt a message. He pulled it out. Out, but it wasn't from Russia. It was one of his own. He had left. This message two weeks ago. But it was still here. Why was it still here? The crowd laughed at the movie below him blissful of the crisis going on overhead. This was bad very bad. If his handler hadn't come to pick up. His message Julius didn't know what that meant was he compromised how much time did he have. This is espionage, the new par cast original exploring the missions behind the world's most incredible spies, and what brought their covert operations into the public eye. I'm your host Carter ROY throughout this show. We'll explore real world spy tactics required to impersonate exploit and infiltrate the most confidential places in the world. You can listen to all of park shows on Spotify or anywhere else. You listen to podcasts. New episodes come out every Friday. We're also on Facebook and Instagram at par cast in Twitter at park ask network. This is our second and final episode onto the world's most infamous, atomic spies. Julius and Ethel Rosenberg in nineteen forty five. Twenty seven year old Julius Rosenberg and his thirty year old wife Ethel orchestrated a top secret operation to steal. Oh, confidential information about the atomic bomb from right under the nose of the FBI, they delivered this information to Soviet intelligence and aided in the development of Russia's own nuclear bomb last week, we explored how these two American communists turned from activists into some of the most infamous spies in history. We also explored the beginning of their atomic bomb mission how they received orders from the Soviet Union and how espionage transform their lives. This week will follow the Rosenbergs to the end of their mission. We'll discover the consequences of their espionage, and the devastation that followed. November twenty second nineteen forty five. And a totally Gorski was sweating from the run over to Elizabeth Bentley's apartment since November nineteen forty four he had been Elizabeth's handler in this role. He was in charge of making sure any American intelligence she stole made it back to the Soviet Union. But today he had news for her. He had just received a message from Soviet intelligence in agent had turned the so-called fellow countrymen was in the F B I right now drafting up a one hundred seven page document with names of active, Soviet spies. Once the FBI was aware of these names would be a man hunt. If Elizabeth's name was on the list for if his name was on the list, the FBI would be close behind him and totally shuddered at the thought as he continued to knock. But Elizabeth wasn't coming to the door. This wasn't like her at the FBI founder where she being questioned or tortured his she would just opener damn door. In a totally had had enough. He quickly picked the lock in stepped into the room in a stern whisper he called Elizabeth's name. She didn't respond, and it totally worked his way deeper and deeper into the room the FBI had been here. The thought was rising in his chest. Like, a not they had taken her in a totally sat for a moment collecting, his thoughts. He had to tell Moscow center, maybe they would have time to save her. As the information about Elizabeth disappearance made it back to the Soviet Union. Twenty seven year old Julius and thirty year old Ethel Rosenberg were completely ignorant of the danger. They sat in the confines of their Lower East Side apartment, just miles. From Elizabeth Bentley's former home, the only thing they were worried about was making contact with the Soviet Union over the last year, they had struggled to make any sort of communication with Soviet intelligence communication had diminished right after the Rosenbergs had delivered secrets of the American atomic bomb to the Soviet Union Ethel and Julius shared a dark look across their dining room table. It was hard to live in a constant state of fear. Ethel stooped to pick up their two year old son, Michael he was probably hungry. Again. Julius watched his family across the room. Trying his best to keep his nerves in check. He didn't like being left out of the loop as a spy for the Soviet Union operating in the US. The average day was usually radio. Silence. No news was good news. But Julius couldn't shake the fear that something was different. This time the Soviet Union had never taken this long to respond before he was a key member of their x y line the specialized group of spies in charge of stealing industrial and technical secrets from the United States. He was very valuable to them. Why weren't they contacting him now? On December twelfth nineteen Forty-five Julius and Ethel finally heard from an old Soviet friend Alexander Feklisov as you may recall Feklisov became Julius. Second handler in April nineteen forty-three Feklisov helped bring the Rosenberg network into its golden age while working together, he helped the Rosenbergs steal the complete design manual for the first US jet fighter the p eighty shooting star. Now, he was back to bring the Rosenbergs news on December twelve Feklisov used a drop zone to inform Julius that. He wanted to meet in person on December fifteenth to discuss the defected agent than Anatoly was looking for according to spy the rise. And fall of the KGB in America. A government finds a turned agent by one of two ways one another agent knows who defected. And can report on them in this best case scenario, the identity of the trader is simply reported and Soviet intelligence takes immediate defensive measures. Namely, the cut all ties with the defected agent and destroy any evidence connecting that agent to other Soviet spies. This ultimately protects as many spies as possible. At least. That's the easy way. More commonly. It goes the second way. No one reports. So the government has to check in with all of their major handlers. The handlers then check in with their agents currently working in the field as Anatoly had done with Elizabeth than the handlers report back on what they find as you can imagine. This takes time in a world devoid of instant messages agents had to prove they were still loyal by delivering messages in drop zones or meeting with their handlers and person drop zone as mentioned. In the beginning of this episode is a covert location used for information transfer rather than having to agents meet in the same place at the same time. One agent will leave information at the zone and the next agent will collect that information. These owns can be anything from a mailbox to a lighthouse to a loose brick wall for Julius and Ethel their drop zone was usually a movie theater in Long Island. Although we can't be sure exactly which theater was their drop zone. Most experts believe it was the colony theater now the Broadway theatre at sixteen eighty one Broadway and fifty third New York. This theater was mentioned several times in official KGB transmissions to Julius and Ethel at the time. It was an art deco masterpiece equipped with an Oregon seventeen hundred sixty one seats and many convenient, Al. Coves? It was with one of these alcoves that fackler saw arranged his secret meeting with the Rosenbergs. On December fifteenth Feklisov stopped outside a small drugstore on the Lower East Side. There was not much to the place mile accounts. It was just another hole in the wall. He stepped into the shop as casually as possible and did a loop around the store about halfway around. He saw a young woman on the far side pine cotton balls. It's seen her picture before. On a case file, it was Ethel. They made I contact can Ethel left the store this simple act told Feklisov that the Rosenbergs were ready to meet with him following this confirmation. Feklisov bought a loaf of bread in two bottles of milk. This was according to plan. He would use these props as an excuse to walk with Ethel. If anyone asked why they were together Feklisov would say that he was helping Ethel carry her groceries home when they arrived at Ethel. Apartment. Feklisov followed her inside. And immediately brought the bread and milk to the kitchen waiting for him was Julius. Julius was glad to see him, but Feklisov was cautious. He asked Julius if he knew any of Jacob goal. Friends Julius was taken aback as you may recall. Jacob goal. Oh, said been Julius first contact as a spy in fact, goalless had help Julius earn his codename antenna through this Julius and goalless screw close at least until goalless death in nineteen forty-three. But Feklisov wasn't done. He has Julius if he knew any women in goalless life. The truth was beginning to descend on Julius Feklisov new which agent had defected, and that agent was very close to go Los and by association, close to Julius Julius told fackler saw that whenever he wanted to make contact with goalless. He would call goalless secretary to arrange a meeting. They had talked a few times, but never recreationally. It was always to set up a meeting with goalless Feklisov didn't like the sound of that Julius told fackler saw that he had given goal. Some identifying data for his Rosenberg network. Meaning Jacob would have known the identity of Julius and a few of his agents in this conversation Feklisov was following proper KGB protocol before revealing the identity of the traitor. He wanted to discover how likely it was for Julius to be exposed the more Feklisov heard about Julius involvement with goalless the more uncomfortable. He became. At the time Feklisov met with the Rosenbergs in December nineteen forty five Soviet intelligence had already discovered the identity of the traitor through. These means Feklisov was here to inform the Rosenbergs who the traitor was and that they were compromised. Coming up. We'll reveal the devastation the hidden traitor caused the Rosenberg network. Mornings can be hectic, and I don't often have time to cook myself a nutritious breakfast. In fact, my cat sell often. It's better than me shouldn't be like that. That's why I'm excited that I found daily harvest. It's a subscription service that delivers more than fifty carefully sourced ready to blend smoothies, savory harvest, bowls soups and more all based on fruits and vegetables and all stays fresh in your freezer until you're ready to eat it. I like to eat healthily. And that's a big reason why I love daily harvest. I just need to add either water or milk my smoothie, and it's ready to blend. 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Stories behind the world's most intense hostage negotiations. You'll get a behind the scenes look of the negotiations hidden from the public eye in the intricate webs of movement needed to safely extract captives every Thursday hostage brings you into the heart of the action and highlights the moments where things went tragically wrong as well as techniques that miraculous. Asli saved lives search for and subscribe to hostage on Spotify. Or wherever you listen to podcasts. Now back to the story on December fifteenth nineteen forty five in the stuffy kitchen of the Rosenbergs apartment. Twenty seven year old Julius Rosenberg was growing ANSI from the grave look on our exander Feklisov face. He knew the traitor was close to his network of spies. Tekla sauve asked Julius if any information he exchanged with Jacob Golos might have been exchanged between goalless in his secretary Julius told him that the information was only intended for goalless goalless shouldn't have shared it with her. But he couldn't guarantee that goalless had kept the information to himself after a pause Feklisov told Julius that Jacob goalless secretary. Elizabeth Bentley had betrayed the Soviet Union. She was currently in FBI custody and had already written. One hundred seven pages detailing Soviet spy operations. Her handler and totally Gorski had been unable to intercept her before it was too late. Julius try to remain calm as Moscow center was still assessing the damage of Elizabeth's actions. The agreed that contact between the Rosenbergs and Soviet intelligence should be suspended for three and a half months. This was primarily to protect the other spies in Julius as life. If Elizabeth had mentioned Julius or ethyl, they didn't want the FBI to find more spies by following Rosenberg paper trail at the end of the meeting Feklisov and Julius arrange to meet again. On March sixteenth nineteen forty six at eight o'clock pm next to the colony theater seventy ninth street and second avenue in case Feklisov couldn't attend the meeting and had to send another agent. They also set up their recognition signal for their next meeting as you may recall, a recognition signal is a simple phrase were. Word or object that is used to identify yourself as an ally agent in public for their next meeting. Julius was instructed to hold a copy of the magazine post fackler saw would hold a copy of reader scope, he would approach Julius and ask him. Are you waiting for Al Julius would respond with? No, I am waiting for. Helen Feklisov would say, I am elaine's, brother. She asked me to tell you something the official KGB transcript for this meeting had both pronunciations of Helen, assuming this wasn't a mistake. It's likely these two spellings helped make the recognition signal as specific as possible. If either of the agents messed up, this recognition signal, the meeting wouldn't happen as you may have noticed the signal for this meeting was also much more extensive than previous signals. This was a direct result. Sort of Elizabeth Bentley's sudden betrayal anyone who had made contact with goalless and Bentley received a similar treatment. It goes to show how connected Soviet spies word during the nineteen forties. One defected agent caused a major increase insecurity at the end of the meeting Feklisov also instructed Julius what to do if he was arrested by the FBI. He would deny that he was a member of the fellow countrymen, and he would deny his connections with Jacob Golos. Or Elizabeth Bentley he would repudiate any photographs that showed him and goalless together. And he would burn all materials that could be used as evidence against fellow agents as the head of the Rosenberg network in the hub of communication between all of his agents. This included many documents that Julius had spent years writing despite this loss of information, Julius agreed on all accounts and wished him good luck moments later, feckless. Off was gone. For the next three and a half months. Julius and Ethel remained in a state of constant worry. They knew Russia wouldn't be contacting them. But somehow knowing about the silence was worse as they were ordered. They took the time to destroy all evidence connecting themselves to go loss. And they waited Vaclav did make contact with Julius in March. But he didn't bring Julius the news that he wanted. According to fact, the sauve Russia was still assessing the damage of Elizabeth's betrayal, but they would use Julius again as soon as they could so life for the Rosenbergs continued as normal at least as normal as it could while the threat of the FBI loomed ever larger over their heads during this time he continued to smuggle information out of the office with his like a camera. He would sneak pictures of the documents while at work and in store. Film in his home. But it was more wishful thinking at this point. He was hoping he could give this information Feklisov eventually but Russia did not want to bring him back as an agent, the F B I could have been watching him to carefully and they didn't want to risk another exposure throughout nineteen forty six and nineteen forty seven Julius continued to receive messages from Feklisov, but it was always the same. The KGB was looking into using him again soon. At this time another surprise entered the Rosenbergs life Ethel became pregnant with their second. Son. Robert Rosenberg was born on may fourteenth eighteen forty seven despite the new child and the long hours at work Julius remained as loyal to the Soviet 'cause as ever he continued to maintain contact with his band of engineer spies and encourage them to keep collecting information from their various government jobs. This period of Julius is life is perfectly summarized by a message facade sent back to Soviet intelligence. He wrote despite the fact that Julius connection with us has been interrupted for over two years. He continues to conscientiously and faithfully fulfill his obligations as a group handler to stay in touch with agents, lending them, vital, moral and material support and quote. But after almost three years of waiting the standstill can do an end on August nineteenth nineteen forty nine. On that normal summer day at the semi polite tints test site in northeast 'cause Don the Soviet Union conducted its first weapons test of the Soviet atomic bomb. Our D S one codename first lightning the control room buzzed with excitement, Soviet physicist. Andrei soccer and eager Kurchatov stood in the center of the room. They had been preparing for this moment for the last ten years. Now was finally time to test their invention ever since Soviet intelligence had supplied them with a secret to the proximity. Fuze? They were full speed ahead. But this test came with its own danger. The moment the bomb went off America would know their scientists would see the detonation in seismic readings if they were going to let America know what they were doing needed to make. Sure at worked all the engineers in the room looked Andre in ebor. It would be there. Call with a quick nod. They proceeded. The Soviet scientists held their breath. It felt like an eternity. Did it work? They watched as a blast radius equivalent twenty two kill a tons of tea and tea filled their screens, it's spread out in a massive cloud reaching over three fourths, the height of Mount Everest. According to the scientists present it was fifty percent more effective than Soviet engineers had -ticipant did even larger than the explosion the American bomb. Fatman produced when dropped on Japan and World War Two they were in the nuclear arms game. Now. The bombs design was practically identical to the US plutonium bomb Fatman as it also used a TNT hexagon implosion Lind's design. In fact, the fuse used to detonate the bomb, which the same design that Julius had encouraged his brother-in-law steal a few years before through their work. The Rosenberg network had not only made this bomb possible. But they had hand-delivered one of the most allusive ingredients of the bomb to Soviet intelligence as you may recall the proximity fuze maximize the bombs devastation by allowing it to explode in mid air. This not only destroyed the target from above. But it also sent a massive airburst that devastated miles of land around the targets location America quickly noticed on September. Third nineteen forty nine US scientists discovered. Unusual seismic activity inside the Soviet Union. This was an extreme burst longer than earthquake and seeing on seismic charts across the United States looking at their charts. It was unmistakably a nuclear bomb explosion, president Truman was immediately notified surprisingly, he refused to believe the news at first he ordered the scientists to check the data again at this point the Soviet Union was not expected to have nuclear weapons for at least ten more years Americans. Frankly, didn't believe Russia had the intelligence to make a weapon of mass destruction US, scientists check the facts again, but it was undeniable America no longer had a monopoly on nuclear warheads on September twenty third over a month after the successful Soviet test president Truman. Released a statement to the American people Russia had nuclear weapons. At the same time Truman ordered an investigation into the bomb. He was sure Russia. Head cheated somehow. The explosion was just too similar to an American bomb. Someone had let the secret out Truman ordered none. Other than J. Edgar Hoover to oversee the case J. Edgar Hoover had already earned a name for himself as a manipulative and often brutal law enforcement officer. He was known for black mailing celebrities such as Frank Sinatra and Jackie Kennedy using details of their sexual indiscretions to force them to do his bidding. This atomic spy sting would be the perfect opportunity for Hoover to show off his power and patriotism. Meanwhile, back at the Rosenberg apartment on the lower side, the Rosenbergs were ecstatic whereas most Americans were terrified the Soviets were winning America. Couldn't hold the world hostage with nuclear power anymore. Now, another country had the same destructive force despite the Rosenbergs joy. There was still some growing fear in the back of their minds. They were responsible for this. Great success if the F B I connected their names with the bomb. They would certainly face life in prison this fear came to fruition in January nineteen fifty when American authorities received a message from British intelligence that message inform the US that a man named Emil folks was outed as a Soviet agent a meal. I've been working undercover as a Soviet agent in England his goal was to monitor English atomic development, but his clandestine career was cut short when American intelligence decoded Soviet message traveling from a meal to Russia and early nineteen fifty the message confirm that folks was working as a spy for the Soviet Union. In January nineteen fifty officers from Scotland Yard arrested meal folks and charged him with violating the official secrets act within the month folks admitted to his role and was sentenced to fourteen years in prison. Now, there's a reason his sentence was so short a meal folks was able to reduce his sentence by listing. The names of other spies. This was a common practice for both American and British governments at the time. And they would find one spy and then offered a short in their prison sentence. If they agreed to report on other spies, the first name that folks dropped was his own son Klaus folks, this is where the rabbit hole really began would followed was a very rapid take-down of spies surrounding the Rosenbergs on February second Claus was arrested by British authorities. He too was threatened and given the chance to list more names to shorten his sentence. He took that chance he told authorities that he had been allied with a man named Harry gold as you may recall, Harry, gold was the agent the Rosenbergs chose to sneak their Tomich secrets out of the Los Alamos National laboratory in New Mexico. Harry gold was sent to the. Lab to collect atomic secrets from Ethel Rosenberg's brother, David Greenglass as we discussed last week David worked in the manufacturing plant at the Los Alamos, National laboratory and had access to parts of the atomic bomb in a quick exchange. David gave Harry atomic secrets, but Harry, gold's covert days were long over on may twenty third. Nineteen fifty Harry gold was arrested by American authorities. He too was given the choice to list spies to shorten his sentence. He gave them the name of Ethel's, brother. David Greenglass within three weeks on June sixteenth, nineteen fifty David Greenglass was seized by American authorities. He was held in custody, and like the rest given a chance to this names by now, the Rosenbergs were panicked. Not only had the FBI infiltrated their network. They had taken Ethel's, brother. On the morning of June sixteenth, nineteen fifty Julius arrived home to find two F B I agents waiting outside his apartment, they Curtly asked him to join them downtown Julius was marched into the hollow office of the FBI, but believe it or not the F B I had not detained Julius. In fact, the only brought him in to gain leverage over David Greenglass. They were hoping that Julius would help them. Learn more about David despite their expectations. Julius was the worst possible witness per his KGB training. He denied any involvement with his brother-in-law and refused time and time again to admit David was a Soviet spy. He ended the conversation by informing the FBI. He would be getting a lawyer for any further. Conversations with Julius the FBI reached a wall. So they doubled down on David Greenglass once again he proved difficult, but when the FBI threatened to arrest David's wife to he finally broke trapped in the bureaucratic confines of the FBI. David Greenglass gave the Americans and name an exchange for his wife's freedom. Julius rosenberg. Julius Rosenberg made him steal the atomic secrets. Julius Rosenberg was his Soviet contact. Julius Rosenberg was the top of spy network in the Lower East Side. Coming up will witness the unraveling of the Rosenbergs lives. Now back to the story. July seventeenth nineteen fifty Ethel Rosenberg placed a warm brisket on the dining room table and front of her family. She felt lucky to have this home. Even if they were all listening to the lone ranger during dinner, she could share family time with Jay silver heels. It was a happy moment. Julius was fiddling with his new like a camera. Their son's Michael and Robert were already helping themselves to food f all tried to shake the fear of American agents listening in on their perfect suburban life, but they were being careful she and her husband regularly check their apartment for bugs just then Julius sat up from his chair. He was listening very carefully was at a transmission over the radio. Another message from Russia. Ethel couldn't hear anything. It was the middle of the day in the lower side. But the normal Postle was fading at the watched as Julius hurry to the window the street look normal, but it always seem normal before they were here. There was no time to run. Half a dozen men in suits barreled into the room guns raised they pointed the firearms at the Rosenberg family, Julius called for the men to stop at least. He thought he did. It was all happening so fast Ethel watch as the men ran Julius into a wall in graft fistfuls of his cheap cotton suit, Julius thin rimmed glasses scattered in the struggle. Everything was a motion blur. The whole family was screaming. Julius was taken to FBI custody later that afternoon they continued to question him. But once again, he refused to cooperate. He denied any involvement with Soviet authorities following protocol the F B I arrested Ethel Rosenberg on August. Eleventh nineteen fifty as a way to gain leverage over Julius but Julius refused to break. They threatened him. With a life in jail, but the Rosenbergs nationalism couldn't be broken Julius and Ethel remained in police custody for a year. On march. Sixth nineteen fifty one in Foley square. New York eleven men and one woman sat in courtroom one ten ready to lay judgment on the Rosenbergs Julius and Ethel entered the room and sat down in front of the crowd. According to the witnesses gathered they were somber and quiet. Hardly speaking at all the key witness in the trial was Ethel's, brother. David Greenglass, he agreed to testify to save his wife after his initial confession. The FBI continued to threaten David and his wife with jail time in order to save his wife and himself. David told the crowd about Julius network of spies. He said that Julius convinced him to steal the secrets and the Julius was a communist through and through initially, David Greenglass. Only said that Julius Rosenberg was a spy in this way. He was only condemning his brother-in-law not his sister. But judge Irving r Kaufman wasn't satisfied. With only Julius is incrimination. He wanted to know about Ethel's involvement as well David was conflicted on one side his wife on the other his sister. He was forced to choose between them after being prodded about Ethel's involvement. He gave the following statement in September nineteen forty five when I was again on furlough in New York, I drew up a sketch of the atom bomb and prepared about twelve pages of written material, Julius said, this is very good. We ought to have this typed up immediately Ethel to typing. By saying Ethel, did the typing David proved that Ethel was aware of Julius life as a spy and the damage he was causing America to those gathered. This was more than enough to prove that Ethel was guilty to if this feels like a large jump in logic. You are not alone. Many activists believe that being aware of her husband's actions was not enough to incriminate Ethel Rosenberg as well. But we have to remember the time period here with the red scare in full swing. People were looking for an excuse to punish the Soviet Union. The Rosenbergs had just become the poster child of that punishment knowing about espionage was just as dangerous as actually committing the crime. On April fourth after a month of debate. The jury found both Ethel and Julius Rosenberg guilty. But the most startling moment of the trial was yet to come. Judge Kaufman gave the punishment. He said, I consider your crime worse than murder. I believe your conduct in putting into the hands of the Russians the A-Bomb years before our best. Scientists predicted. Russia would perfect the bomb has already caused in my opinion, the communist aggression in Korea with the resultant casualties exceeding fifty thousand and who knows but that millions more of innocent people may pay the price of your treason, by your betrayal. You undoubtedly have altered. The course of history to the disadvantage of our country, Julius and Ethel Rosenberg. Were sentenced to death. The Rosenbergs lawyer Emmanuel block spent the next two years trying to save the Rosenbergs from the electric chair. He cared for their sons filed appeal after appeal and even stood outside the White House gate begging to appeal to President Eisenhower, but it was all in vain. It was the words of President Eisenhower that ultimately settled the debate. He said the Rosenbergs may have condemned to death. Tens of millions of innocent people all over the world, the execution of two human beings is a grave matter. But even graver is the thought of the millions of dead whose deaths may be directly attributable to what these spies have done. On June fifteenth nineteen fifty three the Rosenbergs were denied their final chance for a review, and they were sent to the electric chair at sing-sing prison in New York that evening, the Rosenbergs refused. A final meeting with David Greenglass at eight pm. They were marched to the chair. The reason this final meeting was denied is unclear but most theorist assume the Rosenbergs didn't want to meet the man who incriminated them in court, even if he was related to them. In front of the electric chair. The Rosenbergs were given one last chance to speak in exchange for their lives, but Julius and Ethel denied this final plea. Julia says final words were to his lawyer Emmanuel block be strong for us beloved friend. And we wish you a long life to continue your fruitful work in health and happiness, never let them change the truth of our innocence, Ethel waited outside while Julius took the chair, he died instantly. After a few minutes Ethel was brought to the same chair, and she was electrocuted. After the first burst her heart was still beating. So she was shocked again after the second first witnesses reported seeing a ghastly tomb of smoke over her head and just like that. Julius and Ethel Rosenberg were the first US citizens to be put to death for the crime of espionage. Thank you for listening to espionage. We'll be back Friday with a new episode. You can find more episodes of espionage as well as all of par cast other shows on Spotify or anywhere. You listen to podcasts. Several of you have asked how to help us if you enjoy the show the best way to help is leave a five star review. And don't forget to follow us on Facebook and Instagram at par cast and Twitter at parkas network. 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ESPIONAGE, Carter's new podcast!

Historical Figures

15:13 min | 1 year ago

ESPIONAGE, Carter's new podcast!

"I am pleased to announce that Carter is the new host of another unbelievable par cast original called espionage. Congratulations carter. Thanks. If you like crimes that are more about cunning in mind games than blood and violence than you will love the stories explored on espionage. Here's a clip of the first espionage episode about a young American couple who were accused of spying for the Soviet Union in the late nineteen forties to listen to the full first episode subscribe to espionage wherever you listen to podcasts. New episodes come out every Friday. Rose of records flash past Julius Rosenberg as he made his way deeper and deeper into the army signal corps building he checked his watch trying to remain as casual as possible. That was the secret to being covert remain, perfectly normal. He pulled a paper bound file from the shelf, and unwrapped it inside was a manual dictating the full schematics on the US jet fighter. The p eighty shooting star this plane was the choice fighter for the American forces. And with any luck the Soviets would know every system on board just then a door slammed at the other end of the room. Someone was there. Julius didn't have much time. He pushed back his horn rimmed glasses and removed a small like a camera from his suitcase. He snapped pictures of the file one page at a time faster faster faster, then as the footsteps turned the corner, he tied the string around the file and placed it back on the shelf. It was just a record assistant restocking books. Julius nodded in continued on his way. That night Julius called his handler on the phone it rang twice, and he hung up. That was all his handler needed to know. Julius had information. This is SAP. A new park cast original exploring the missions behind the world's most incredible spies, and what brought their covert operations into the public eye. I'm your host Carter ROY throughout this show will explore real world spy tactics required to impersonate exploit and infiltrate the most confidential places in the world. This is our first episode on the world's most infamous, atomic spies. Julius and Ethel Rosenberg in the mid nineteen forties. Twenty-seven-year-old Julius and his thirty year old wife Ethel orchestrated a top secret operation to steal information about the atomic bomb from right under the FBI's knows on this week. We'll explore how to American communists turned from activists into international spies next week. We'll follow the Rosenbergs as their operation comes crashing. To the ground. Julius Rosenberg had lived on the Lower East Side since he was a child. He knew it better than anyone the noise. The heat the discrimination. The big businesses flourishing while hardworking families starved New York City was proof that American capitalism had failed. Everyone said America was the land of opportunity on. That's why Julius parents had moved there from the Russian empire, but the reality of life during the great depression, especially for working class Jewish immigrants like the Rosenbergs was far from utopian all Julius. Aw was injustice and inequality while Julius was a student at the City College of New York in the mid nineteen thirties. He worked part time at a pharmacy in Harlem one night, a black man was hit by a bus on the street just outside the shop. They br. Him inside. But in the hour it took for an ambulance to arrive the man bled to death. If that was the best America could offer Julius wanted to see his other options. Like, many young people in the nineteen thirties, Julius. Aw. A more promising vision of society in his family's homeland Russia at the time serving as the center of power within the Soviet Union. Under communism equality was a promise not a dream, the poor would be lifted up and the rich would be held in check. By the time. He was eighteen in nineteen thirty six Julius was a rising leader in C C, N wise, young Communist League. The communist party USAA was enjoying a moment in the spotlight in the nineteen thirties membership rose from seven thousand five hundred fifty five thousand over the course of the decade, this was partially due to disillusionment with capitalism during the great depression and also in response to the rise of fascism in Spain Germany in the days before McCarthyism, communism wasn't a dirty word and the party attracted droves supporters by fighting for labor laws women's rights and racial equality at a political rally in the winter of nineteen thirty six Julius met another free thinker Ethel Greenglass Ethel was a twenty one year old aspiring actress and out of work secretary. She'd been fired from her clerical job the previous year for organizing a worker strike, but it didn't scare her away from activism and fact, it only made her more. Fiery Julius and Ethel were both true. Believers in the communist cause and politics became the passion that bound them together. Julius was bold and fearless at one point in college. He led a raid on a German ocean. Liner, the SS Bremen and tore the Nazi flag from its Jack staff Ethel on the other hand was cautious and practical Julius could never be bothered to do his homework. So at the routinely wrote his college papers for him typing them up on her second hand, Remington typewriter. If it wasn't for Ethel's diligence Julius may not have finished college at all. But he finally graduated with a BS in electrical engineering in February nineteen thirty nine one semester late and ranked seventy ninth out of eighty five in his class. The next year Julius got a job as a civilian engineer inspecting equipment for the army signal corps in New York. For most electrical engineers, this would have been a boring entry level job. But Julius saw the hidden value. This position offered him access to America's advanced radio radar and sonar technologies. The foundation of the US military's communication systems. Just a year later in December nineteen forty one the United States entered World War Two the Soviet Union and America where allies in the war, but they were still ideological opposites. As two of the world's rising superpowers neither country wanted to see the other surpass them in technological advances, and as two of America's rising communists, Julius and Ethel Rosenberg knew which side they wanted to come out on top. When the war was finally over. Throughout the early nineteen forties, Julius snuck as much information as he could into his briefcase, circuit board diagrams company messages. He didn't know exactly what Russia needed. So he grabbed a little bit of everything with Ethel's knowledge and support he hid the stolen documents on their apartments bookshelf, waiting for an opportunity to pass it along into the right hands to do that the Rosenbergs needed to contact the N cave. E D the Soviet Union's interior ministry and secret police agency, which would later become known as the K G B, but how do to twenty something New Yorkers get connected with a foreign country's top secret intelligence agency. In nineteen forty one Julius and Ethel began feeling out potential contacts in the young Communist League, and the communist party USA, the attended weekly party meetings across New York City, and at every meeting Julius made it a point to mention in casual conversation that he happened to possess sensitive information that could undermine the American military laughter. Almost two years this method failed to produce any results. The N K V D very rarely touched base with the communist party USA, which was basically an intellectual organization run by politically powerless left wing academics, a proper nineteen forty Soviet agent. Focus their time on Ivy league universities. This was where the next generation of American statesman could be found by the end of nineteen forty two when Julia. Was twenty four and Ethel was twenty-seven. They had a new plan if the N K V D didn't want them. They would build their own spy network who many of Julius friends from college had found jobs in engineering facilities, where top secret US military equipment was turned out on conveyor belts every day. He started by reaching out to his old friend. Joel Barr who also worked with him at the army signal corps, his friend. Morton sobil was at General Electric. William Pearl was at the national advisory committee for 'aeronautics the predecessor to NASA. Other friends ended up at bell laboratories, western electric, and chemical engineering firm called the Celtics corporation, Julius sales. Pitch was always the same. According to his friend. Max elevator Julius would tell each potential recruit that many of their friends were already. Giving secrets to Russia and that together they could bring about a change and the status quo for most. This was all it took by April nineteen forty two Julius and Ethel had amassed half a dozen American engineers who are loyal to the communist cause together. They gathered information about sonar military radio radar and cutting edge avionics from their corporate day jobs. A few months later their work finally caught the kind of attention Julius had been waiting for. In June, nineteen forty two Julius was making his rounds at a communist party meeting when he was introduced to a man named Bernard Schuster Shuster wasn't an N K V agent himself, but he told Julius he knew an agent by the name of Jacob goalless codename sound on Jacob goalless was a rising star in the N cave. KVM d he was a Russian immigrant who had made a name for himself in the nineteen twenties by stealing American passports, which the Soviet Union used to forge American travel documents with extreme accuracy by nineteen thirty goalless was recruited by the Soviet Union as a bona fide spy his job was to recruit American intelligence sources aka assets who are willing to sell secrets to the Soviets Julius and Ethel Rosenberg where. Exactly, the kind of people. Go lows was looking for Schuster saw Julius has value to Russia and told him that he would contact goalless later that month by the end of the summer Bernard Schuster told Julius that goalless would meet him in the upper east side within the following month. August nineteen forty two. Julius could feel the August heat pressing down on him. His glasses slid down the sweaty bridge of his nose finally a car stopped along the street and a man with a round face and large lips stepped out. This must be Jacob goalless. There was nothing special about goalless appearance. He looked totally unremarkable. This was by design. According to former chief of disguise of the CIA, John Mendez spies, try to be the man or woman that quote gets on the elevator. And then gets off. And nobody knew they were there. Goalless approached Julius and stopped a few feet away. What happened next is called a recognition signal. According to the international spy museum. This is a simple phrase word or object that is used to identify yourself as an ally agent. We don't know the exact signal used for this conversation. But ex-soviet spy Klaus folks, describe some KGB tactics after the Cold War as a spy he was instructed to wear gloves. But carry a second pair or to hold a tennis ball as he walked down the street on the goal of these recognition signals is to be settled enough to seem normal but overt enough to identify your ally. Once the recognition was confirmed goalless gave Julius a small slip of paper with a telephone number in perfect English goalless told Julius to call him when he needed. To talk Julius nodded goalless, Scott back into his car and left the whole meeting lasted no more than about thirty seconds. But it was the most important thirty seconds of Julius Rosenberg's life. Coming up. We'll hear how the FBI began to tighten a news around the Rosenbergs life. Now that Julius is a spy what's he going to do? Next order to find out. Listen to the full first episode by subscribing to espionage wherever you listen to podcasts. New episodes come out every Friday.

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hiStory 2 (ep. 91)

Your Brain on Facts

28:10 min | 8 months ago

hiStory 2 (ep. 91)

"The reign of Queen Victoria Maria is remembered principally for two things imperialism and prudishness sexual repression was the watchword of the era fashion Russian trends soon saw women in dresses that reached from their jawbone to the ground. A glimpse of ankle was so scandalously arousing that even tablecloth Scott Scott Longer Lester. Proper gentlemen accidentally see a particularly well-turned table leg except despite that being what we know about the Victorian age less than half of what I just said is true. My Name's Moxy. And this is your brain on facts. Julius Caesar was born by Caesarean section. That's where the name comes from no a Cesarean or c-section is the medical term armed for the surgical delivery of a baby by cutting through the abdomen and uterus and it's widely held that Caesarian section Scott their name from the famous Roman ruler Gayus. As Julius Caesar Julius Caesar had been touted for centuries as the first person or at least the first soon to be famous person to be born that way therefore the process was called a Cesarean. It's Apocrypha that's been copy pasted for a long time much longer than Washington and the Cherry tree which which we talked about in the first installment of his story way back in February of Twenty eight team. That was before I was numbering the episodes the surgical missile removal of a baby from the womb was already a thing before Cesar was born so he wasn't the first to be on the receiving end of it much less to bestow its name name in fact he wasn't even born that way the idea's been repeated since a tenth century Byzantine Greek historical encyclopedia called the Suda. Duda which said the emperors of the Romans received this name from Julius Caesar who was not born for when his mother died in the ninth month. They cut her open. took him out and named him thus for in the Roman tongue dissection is called Caesar so the text states that the Syrians are not named after Caesar but Caesar is named after the Caesarians in Latin. Save US or cases I did not do well in Latin is the past participle. I love Kadira meaning to cut. And I can't speak to the veracity of the Latin and feel free to ask me at brain on facts pot on twitter and your brain on facts on facebook and instagram. But one thing that is clear is that Caesar wasn't born by C. Section. At the time that guy is Julius was born the practice justice of cutting a baby from its mother was actually required by law but only if the mother had died known as the LEX is area. The law was established. I hundreds of years before guys. Julius was born in the time of new hope. Helius about seven fifteen to six seventy three BC stating stating that. If a pregnant woman died the baby had to be taken from her womb. This was to comply with Roman ritual and religious customs that forbade the burial of pregnant women. The LEX Zaria doesn't mention the child surviving. That wasn't what they were concerned with. Religious practice at. The time was very clear that a mother could not be properly buried if she was still pregnant. That was the original purpose of the procedure. Somewhere along the line ambitious physicians thought it. It might be possible to take what had been a post mortem preparation and turn it into lifesaving medicine for the child at least as a testament to the fact that women did not survive the Syrians back. Then the LEXI's area requires a living. Mother be passed the forty th week of pregnancy before the procedure was performed formed. This meant the best chance of survival for the child and carry as well as reflecting an acceptance that the mother was not going to survive a situation continued until the late nineteenth century combined. That new information with the fact that Caesar's mother was alive until he was an adult and the whole idea falls support not only his mother. Orillia survived delivering guys Julius. She was heavily involved in his upbringing. A prototype of today's helicopter parenting quick bonus fact. The word helicopter isn't made up of Heli Copter but from Helix for spiral and Tehran for wing. Like the word pterodactyl with scrupulous piety and modesty historian tacitus wrote. She regulated not only the boys studies and occupations Sion's but even his recreations games a really raised guys Julius herself rather than shunting often nurses. She helped him out of a particularly particularly bad scrape when his refusal to divorce. His current wife made the whole family. The target of a powerful enemy and when Caesar was away on campaigns Orillia kept a close watch on his next wife Pompa to make it more difficult for her to cheat on Cesar with her lover. Claudius and Orillia died ten years before Julius Julius Caesar did so obviously not in childbirth. Speaking of smart mothers you can find a lot of smart mothers in the facebook group. The BRAINIAC break room which you can find it. FACEBOOK DOT com slash groups plural slash BRAINIAC. Break Room where I post. Whatever interesting things I find on the Internet during the day that don't don't fit with that week's theme and therefore don't make it to the main social feeds and you can post on there too just as our Buddy Sean Klaus? Moore's posted last week in sixteen forty one. The Massachusetts Colony passed a law that allowed parents to take their children to court for disobedience and sentenced them to death. The law it was later amended to include girls and was not repealed until nineteen seventy-three. Thank goodness all of our parents. Didn't know about that law when we were teenagers. Yes there are also lots of smart cookies over in the member roles of Patriot dot com slash. Your brain on facts. There won't be an episode of spot the lie for December December. What with the holidays jobs in kids and such so look for a regular plain old bonus episode which I often do on topics that are a bit too blue for the main show coming in the next few days while c sections were a death sentence for most of history? There is a case believed to be the only one of its kind of a woman and child surviving after she gave herself a Cesarean section without a doctor. In March of two thousand and southeast Mexico Texaco. Ns Ramirez Peres went into Labor for her eighth time at the age of forty. She had six living children but had lost baby number. Seven to complications ends with delivery after twelve hours of difficult labor with the nearest hospital fifty miles away and her husband at a nearby bar. That had no phone Peres whereas decided drastic measures were called for. She took several swigs from a bottle of liquor to dull the pain and used a six inch knife to make three vertical incisions in her abdomen. She had no medical training but drool and what she knew of the internal structures of animals that she'd butchered after about an hour. Our of grueling work the likes of which I certainly cannot imagine. She was able to pull the baby boy out of her own womb. Cut The umbilical cord and and then pass right the out. When she regained consciousness Peres sent her six year old town to find help he returned with a local health? Aide who sewed up Peres's wounds with ordinary needling threat other health aides than arrived in help transport Perez and the newborn Orlando to a hospital. Eight hours away were doctors were able to patch up properly. The obstetricians at the hospital marveled at Peres's self administered surgery. She hadn't hit any internal organs apart from the one she was aiming for had no internal bleeding and no infections set in the doctors would eventually published her story in the International National Journal of Gynecology and obstetrics which helped to shine a light on the plight of women who live in remote locations without access to adequate medical care. If you're a husband who wants to avoid any baby surprises. And you're going a little farther afield than the local Cantina say on a crusade or a pilgrimage. May We suggest that you invest in a Handy Dandy chastity belt. These devices have been used since the Middle Ages to prevent wives from having sexual intercourse in their husband's absence. Right away with the only key safe in the knowledge that you were marital assets will remain unparalleled until your return to this stay metal and leather chastity belts reside in museum cases around the World Testament to their effectiveness or at least to the potent. Mix of Paranoia Leah and misogyny according to Cheer Raiders at the Symbol Vice Museum in Budapest which displays an exhibition on the history of chastity belts in twenty ten. The belts were thought to have been introduced as an answer to unchecked female. Promiscuity nights left for battle the inclination to believe the myth of the chastity belt is his understandable though in medieval Europe. Any sexual activity that did not lead to the conception of a baby within wedlock was forbidden. According to Albrecht Clawson author of the Medieval Chastity Belt of myth making process. The devices were first mentioned in a treatise on siege machines uh-huh written by Conrad Kaiser in fourteen o five. Kaiser was a German engineer and artist. And the concept for the chastity belt appeared in the afterward of his treaties wherein he described the belt. As an imaginative joke Kaiser's book also contained Fart jokes a fanciful elevator and invisibility devices Isis. His is one of the few contemporary sources found to mention chastity belts at all and clearly one not to be taken too seriously. The more that academic search for references the more they begin to question the authenticity of these devices. No author of sermon literature of Penitentiary Sri texts or didactic. Legal writings have ever mentioned the chastity belt probably because already the basic idea behind it defies the basic needs. The female body Clawson wrote Leslie Smith a scholar of late sixteenth century history and curator for Tut Berry Castle in the UK Greece in a two thousand seven article for the British Medical Journal. She wrote I have traveled abroad and looked at art collections. And as yet haven't seen a chastity belt it can be proved to be medieval in origin. Natalie is there scarce historical evidence that chastity belts were an actual undergarment in the Middle Ages. There's no logic to support their existence. Either a chastity belt might stop your wife from fooling around while you're gone but it could just as well kill her before you get back. The historic examples in museums and books are mostly made or entirely made of metal female listeners. Frankly all listeners would do well to Hark into the classic maternal advice that cotton underpants are best because they brief if nylon cause trouble imagine what Ironwood do extant chastity belts have holes for urination menstruation. Defecation but let's be real. What a person who would commission one of these really be well-versed enough in female anatomy to line up those holes correctly? Even if you could wash sufficiently keeping the skin under the iron dry would be impossible. Then there's the chafing. Even the most demure lady would move enough to cause the metal to irritate her skin in short order causing wounds that are destined to get infected. Maybe they were lined or padded with something you say okay but fabric leather and horse hair could stop the metal from touching the skin but that's basically basically like wearing a petri dish next year lady. Garden Clawson Likens the Chastity Belt Myth to another widely held in similarly incorrect belief off that medieval people thought the Earth was flat. Some outliers did but the vast majority of people accepted that it is in fact round people. People might be quick to believe that people have olden times were backwards and ignorant because it makes them look more advanced and civilized by comparison chastity. Mr Develops and other medieval relics. were all the rage. In Victorian society particularly in fact certain enterprising Victorian businessman used used the Chastity Belt Myth as a selling point for a similar metallic unmentionable designed to protect women from rape. They did not however overcome any of the original design flaws there were also male versions to stop young men from interfering with themselves. It was the people of the nineteenth century. It's not the ninth. who crafted the chastity belts? That are on display in museums now. The victorians also gave us iron maidens Eh. No not iron maiden capitalized. The Iron Maiden as in in these are Catholic is shaped spike encrusted torture device. When many people think about the Middle Ages they see it as a time when people were tortured by a wide variety pity of diabolical instruments these instruments stand on display in museums? And populate every form of media the fact that they like the chastity belt didn't exist in the way or in the win that we've been told the existed hasn't dampened our interest in the slightest says L. A.. Perry in his book the history of torture in England. What strikes us most in considering the medieval torturers is not so much their diabolical barbarity which is indeed impossible to exaggerate great as the extraordinary variety? And what may have been termed the artistic skill they displayed they represent a condition of thought in which men had pondered heard long and carefully on all the forms of suffering had compared and combined different kinds of torture till they had become the most consummate masters of their art had expanded on the subject all the resources of the utmost ingenuity and had pursued it with the order of a passion. How could you not want to read about something like that? The first reference to the iron maiden came at the end of the eighteenth century when a writer named Johann Phillips I Bang Keys described one in a guidebook to the city of Nuremberg Ehrenberg Germany. By his account in the year fifteen fifteen the city executed a criminal with a device that resembled an Egyptian mummy case but had doers on it to allow a person to be put inside where sharp spikes would pierce their flesh slowly so that the very sharp points penetrated his arms in his legs and several paces and his belly and chest and his bladder and the root of his member and is is at his shoulders and his buttocks but not enough to kill him and so he remained making great cry and lament for two days after which he died. It's likely that Sabine Keys. Invented the whole story story but he must have given the people what they wanted. By the early nineteenth century the iron maiden was being displayed across Europe. One was even exhibited at the world's world's fair in Chicago in eighteen ninety three which helped to legitimize its reputation. The Iron Maiden of Nuremberg was later denounced as a fake but by then the idea was deeply entrenched the iron maiden was still included in medieval histories with some books claiming it was used as far back as the twelfth century. Subang keys was even the first to dream up a terrible box. Full of nails is a torture device. The city of God Aladdin Book of Christian Philosophy Fi written in the fifth century tells a tale of torture of the Roman general. Marcus Attila's Regulus. who was locked in a nail studded box he didn't die from being impaled was forced to stay awake lest the nails pierce his skin and eventually died of sleep deprivation? It doesn't take take much reading on the topic of Medieval torture devices to notice. That evidence is thin on the ground. While some devices like the rack the pillory stocks is Catherine wheel those were all real and the ancient world use such outrageous punishments as the brazen bull a hollow metal bull that the condemned was locked into who and under which a fire was built so that the person's cries of anguish sounded like bull bellowing the more bizarre ingenious or sadistic accounts from the Middle Ages. Start to look thin under scrutiny. The events recounted tend to take place in the seventeenth to nineteenth centuries not the Middle Ages at all. Antidotes reportedly from the Middle Ages may be included. But I wouldn't go hanging my hat on an anecdote. The first written reference too many devices also comes too late like the chassis developed. There are no contemporary accounts of the devices being used even in the criminal record the the authors will mention various torture devices and usually add in some statement that while we I hear about them in the seventeenth century it was undoubtedly or sure to have have been also seen in medieval times. These statements never include any evidence to back up their assertions. We're we're not dealing with outright fabrication occasion. We may be dealing with simple misinterpretation of items viewed outside of their original context. Take for instance the so-called pear of anguish. The metallic device can be found in several museums which will note it as from the Middle Ages but be vague on all the rest of the details. Typically this pear-shaped item has a latch at the top which when triggered will open the pair into three or four sections of spring loaded. lobes the LOBES. CBS can be screwed back together with a key. The idea behind the pair of anguish was that it could be inserted into the mouth of the victim or other orifice depending on the offense and then opened up tearing the flesh and causing terrible pain the first such object referred to as a pair of anguish appeared around the middle of the nineteenth eighteenth century again. There are no accounts of the device being used in the Middle Ages with a tiny asterisk. There is a reference to a pear shaped object act used by a well-known criminal in Paris at the turn of the seventeenth century. But this he apparently used to gag his victims which seems a lot more labor intensive than tying a piece of cloth around their mouth the purported pears of anguish on display. These days would actually in pretty bad at the job. We've decided they did not only would the springs have been too weak to open up a bodily orifice but the way the latch was designed meant. It couldn't be opened if it was under any tension the the devices if they were used by anyone could have been a prototype speculation of sorts a brace to hold the mouth open for dental work reading something as simple bull. A shoe stretcher while the pair of anguish may have become a torture device by people not knowing what it was really intended to be. The famous iron maiden seems to have been a deliberate phony invention from more modern mind. This doesn't mean that torture didn't exist in the Middle Ages it certainly did and by the later medieval period was is considered a legal practice. Not only punishment but for obtaining confession however medieval people were not as imaginative as we give them credit for necessarily early instead. What little we know about torture methods suggested that fairly simple methods were used like binding people very tightly with ropes? Some so-called so called torture devices like the pillory the plank of wood with holes for the head and hands did little to harm the individual and were designed to be more punitive for example. Several London bakers who committed fraud by selling loaves of bread smaller than what they charged for or filling out the bread with Sawdust or chalk were sentenced to spend a few hours locked in the pillory with the fake bread burnt under their faces. Quick aside the difference between the stocks and the pillory is is it the stocks restrain the ankles of a sitting person and the pillory was used on a standing person to restrain their hands and their head. You know who's got a good head on their shoulders. The folks who boost the signal on our social media either by sharing and re tweeting or by commenting like the most stable genius is who commented on our weird foods episode the sack of fermented birds almost made me lose my breakfast delicacy indeed. A similar opinion was held by T rex. 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PODCASTS I also think your mom is amazing when adding in some of her radio experience thank you for all the new and thank you little witch. Kitty they were referencing. The episode that my mom guest starred on called words you can't say on TV or radio and guess. What rock history with Joe Christy episode? One is finally finally finished and I know you're listening. Mom I'm sorry I made you edit at yourself but you got it now and the next one will be a lot easier so everybody can and look for the first episode. Which of course about Woodstock on this feed over the weekend and you can also follow rock history with Joe Christy? St On your favorite APP coming soon. So we've talked a lot about the Victorian era. Do you know what else victorians loved Egypt. It's a bit clunky of a segue. But it'll do if one image had to be chosen to represent Egypt you couldn't do better than the pyramids. These colossal structures structures some originally covered in brilliant white limestone served as the final resting place of the pharaohs built almost in defiance of their own sized is by the hands of slaves. You WanNa guess what part of that statement I'm about to debunk. The belief that slaves were principally responsible for pyramid building likely likely began with the ancient Greek historian Herodotus who described the pyramid builders as slaves. This was passed from historian do story and eventually making its way into popular culture like the movie Cleopatra a garbage fire of production that I'll get around to covering one day in twenty ten archaeologist religious discovered tombs more than four thousand years old that belonged not to the royal family but to the people who worked on the Great Pyramids of Giza providing adding evidence that it was not slaves that built these ancient monuments the series of modest nine foot deep. Shafts held a dozen skeletons of the pyramid I'm at builders. They were perfectly preserved by the dry desert sand near to them. Were Jars that once contained beer and bread meant for the afterlife. The mudbrick tombs were uncovered near the Giza pyramids stretching beyond the burial site I discovered in the nineteen ninety s and dating to the Fourth Dynasty which ran from twenty five seventy five BC to twenty four sixty seven when the great pyramids were built on the fringes. Cairo Egypt's archaeology. Chief saw he hawass said that the findings show that the workers were in fact paid labourers. According to loss the builders came came from poor Egyptian families from the North and south and were respected for their work they were so respected that those who died during construction for bestowed with the honor of being buried in tombs near the sacred pyramids of their pharaohs no way would they had been buried so honorably if they were slaves. Hawas says. The tombs contain no gold or valuables which luckily for us made them unappealing to grave robbers. The bodies were not mummified but were arranged changed with their heads pointing to the West and their feet to the east in accordance with ancient Egyptian beliefs. It took ten thousand workers more than thirty be years to build a single pyramid evidence suggests that during that time they worked in three month shifts the builders eight far better than slaves to with meat being a staple in their diet further evidence from the site suggests that the workers consumed about twenty one head of cattle in twenty three sheep every day sent in from local farms. Though they weren't slaves the pyramid builders did lead lives of hard labour their skeletons relatives have signs of arthritis and their lower vertebrae show various signs of wear and injury. The builders weren't slaves and they weren't Jewish either either as usually goes hand in hand Salami High Mazaar professor at the Institute of Archaeology at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. No Jews built the pyramid because Jews didn't exist at the time when the Pyramids were built the Old Testament Book of Exodus says so. The Egyptians. Sion's enslaved the children of Israel with backbreaking Labor according to Mazaar if the Hebrews built anything it was the city of Ramsey's as mentioned in exodus according to Deter Ville Deng former director of Berlin Egyptian Museum. The construction of the Pyramids and the story of the Israelites in Egypt were separated by hundreds of years. The Myth of the Slaves Building Pyramids is only the stuff of tabloids and Hollywood. He told the Associated Press Press. The world's simply could not believe the pyramids were built without oppression and forced labor but out of loyalty to the Faroes. And that's when we run out of the ideas at least for today but hopping back to these supposedly. prudish Queen Victoria for starters. She had nine children with a husband. Spent about whom she wrote passionately in her diary and letters if anything it looks like Albert was the prudish one queen. Victoria's art collection then showed a fondness for the naked human form both female and male and on at least three separate occasions she gave nude paintings to Prince Albert for his birthday. Nick does that sound like to you. Remember that you can find the script for today's show and links to the sources at your brain on facts dot com Tom. Thanks for spending part of Your Day with me.

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Conspiracy Theories

15:16 min | 1 year ago

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"I'm thrilled to announce that Carter is the new host of another incredible park cast original called espionage. Congratulations carter. Thanks, molly. If you like crimes that are more about cunning and mind games than blood and violence than you will love the stories explored on espionage. Here's a clip of the first espionage episode about a young American couple who were accused of spying for the Soviet Union in the late nineteen forties to listen to the full first episode subscribe to espionage wherever you listen to podcasts. New episodes come out every Friday. Rose of records flashed past Julius Rosenberg as he made his way deeper and deeper into the army signal corps building he checked his watch trying to remain as casual as possible that was the secret to being covert remain, perfectly normal. He pulled a paper bound file from the shelf, and unwrapped it inside was a manual dictating the full schematics on the US jet fighter. The p eighty shooting star this plane was the choice fighter for the American forces. And with any luck the Soviets would know every system on board just then a door slammed at the other end of the room. Someone was there. Julius didn't have much time. He pushed back his horn rimmed glasses and removed a small like a camera from a suitcase. He snapped pictures of the file one page at a time faster faster faster than as the footsteps turned the corner, he tied the string around the file and placed it back on the shelf. It was just a record assistant restocking books. Julius nodded and continued on his way. That night Julius called his handler on the phone it rang twice, and he hung up. That was all his handler needed to know. Julius had information. This is s be a new park cast original exploring the missions behind the world's most incredible spies, and what brought their covert operations into the public eye. I'm your host Carter ROY throughout this show will explore real world spy tactics required to impersonate exploit and infiltrate the most confidential places in the world. This is our first episode on the world's most infamous, atomic spies. Julius and Ethel Rosenberg in the mid nineteen forties. Twenty-seven-year-old Julius and his thirty year old wife Ethel orchestrated a top secret operation to steal information about the atomic bomb from right under the FBI's knows this week. We'll explore how to American communists turned from activists into international spies next week. We'll follow. Oh, the Rosenbergs as their operation comes crashing to the ground. Julius Rosenberg had lived on the Lower East Side since he was a child. He knew it better than anyone the noise. The heat the discrimination. The big businesses flourishing while hardworking families starved New York City was proof that American capitalism had failed. Everyone said America was the land of opportunity on. That's why Julius is parents had moved there from the Russian empire. But the reality of life during the great depression, especially for working class Jewish immigrants like the Rosenbergs was far from utopian all Julius. Aw was injustice and inequality while Julius was a student at the City College of New York in the mid nineteen thirties. He worked part time at a pharmacy in Harlem one night. A black man was hit by a bus on the street just outside the shop. Yep. They brought him inside. But in the hour. It took for an ambulance to arrive the man bled to death. If that was the best America could offer Julius wanted to see his other options. Like, many young people in the nineteen thirties. Julia saw a more promising vision of society in his family's homeland Russia at the time serving as the center of power within the Soviet Union. Under communism equality was a promise not a dream, the poor would be lifted up and the rich would be held in check. By the time. He was eighteen in nineteen thirty six Julius was a rising leader in C C, N wise, young Communist League. The communist party USA was enjoying a moment in the spotlight in the nineteen thirties membership rose from seven thousand five hundred fifty five thousand over the course of the decade, this was partially due to disillusionment with capitalism during the great depression and also in response to the rise of fascism in Spain Germany in the days before McCarthyism, communism wasn't a dirty word and the party attracted droves supporters by fighting for labor laws women's rights and racial equality at a political rally in the winter of nineteen thirty six Julius met another free thinker Ethel Greenglass Ethel was a twenty one year old aspiring actress and out of work secretary. She'd been fired from her clerical job the previous year for organizing a worker strike, but it didn't scare her away from activism and fact, it only made her more. Fiery Julius and Ethel were both true. Believers in the communist cause and politics became the passion that bound them together. Julius was bold and fearless at one point in college. He led a raid on a German ocean. Liner, the SS Bremen and tore the Nazi flag from its Jack staff Ethel on the other hand was cautious and practical Julius could never be bothered to do his homework. So at the routinely wrote his college papers for him typing them up on her second hand, Remington typewriter. If it wasn't for Ethel's diligence Julius may not have finished college at all. But he finally graduated with a Bs in electrical engineering in February nineteen thirty nine one semester late and ranked seventy ninth out of eighty five in his class. The next year Julius got a job as a civilian engineer inspecting equipment for the army signal corps in New York. For most electrical engineers, this would have been a boring entry level job. But Julius saw the hidden value. This position offered him access to America's advanced radio radar and sonar technologies. The foundation of the US military's communication systems. Just a year later in December nineteen forty one the United States entered World War Two the Soviet Union and America were allies in the war, but they were still ideological opposites. As two of the world's rising superpowers neither country wanted to see the other surpassed them in technological advances. And as two of America's rising communists, Julius and Ethel Rosenberg knew which side they wanted to come out on top. When the war was finally over. Throughout the early nineteen forties, Julius snuck as much information as he could into his briefcase, circuit board diagrams company messages. He didn't know exactly what Russia needed. So he grabbed a little bit of everything with Ethel's knowledge and support he hid the stolen documents on their apartments bookshelf, waiting for an opportunity to pass it along into the right hands to do that the Rosenbergs needed to contact the N cave. E D the Soviet Union's interior ministry and secret police agency, which would later become known as the K G B, but how do two twenty something. New Yorkers get connected with a foreign countries. Top secret intelligence agency. In nineteen forty one Julius and Ethel began feeling out potential contacts in the young Communist League, and the communist party USA, the attended weekly party meetings across New York City, and at every meeting Julius made it a point to mention in casual conversation that he happened to possess sensitive information that could undermine the American military laughter. Almost two years this method failed to produce any results. The n que v very rarely touched base with the communist party USA, which was basically an intellectual organization run by politically powerless, left wing academics, a proper nineteen forty Soviet agent. Focus their time on Ivy league universities. This was where the next generation of American statesman could be found by the end of nineteen forty two when Julia. Was twenty four and Ethel was twenty seven. They had a new plan if the N K V D didn't want them. They would build their own spy network for many of Julius friends from college had found jobs in engineering facilities, where top secret US military equipment was turned out on conveyor belts every day. He started by reaching out to his old friend. Joel Barr who also worked with him at the army signal corps, his friend. Morton sobil was at General Electric. William Pearl was at the national advisory committee for 'aeronautics the predecessor to NASA. Other friends ended up at bell laboratories, western electric, and chemical engineering firm called the Celtics corporation and Julius sales. Pitch was always the same. According to his friend, max L chur, Julius would tell each potential recruit that many of their friends were already. Giving secrets to Russia and that together they could bring about a change in the status quo for most. This was all it took by April nineteen forty two Julius and Ethel had amassed half a dozen American engineers who are loyal to the communist cause together. They gathered information about sonar military radio radar and cutting edge avionics from their corporate day jobs. A few months later their work finally caught the kind of attention Julius had been waiting for. In June, nineteen forty two Julius was making his rounds at a communist party meeting when he was introduced to a man named Bernard Schuster Shuster wasn't an N K V agent himself, but he told Julius he knew an agent by the name of Jacob goalless. Codename sound Jacob goalless was a rising star in the N K V. He was a Russian immigrant who had made a name for himself in the nineteen twenties by stealing American passports, which the Soviet Union used to forge American travel documents with extreme accuracy by nineteen thirty goalless was recruited by the Soviet Union as a bona fide spy his job was to recruit American intelligence sources aka assets who are willing to sell secrets to the Soviets Julius and Ethel Rosenberg where. Exactly, the kind of people go Los was looking for Schuster saw Julius has value to Russia and told him that he would contact goalless later that month by the end of the summer Bernard Schuster told Julius that goalless would meet him in the upper east side within the following month. August nineteen forty two. Julius could feel the August heat pressing down on him. His glasses slid down the sweaty bridge of his nose finally a car stopped along the street and a man with a round face and large lips stepped out. This must be Jacob goalless. There was nothing special about goalless appearance. He looked totally unremarkable. This was by design. According to former chief of disguise of the CIA, John Mendez spies, try to be the man or woman that quote gets on the elevator. And then gets off. And nobody knew they were there. Goalless approached Julius and stopped a few feet away. What happened next is called a recognition signal. According to the international spy museum. This is a simple phrase word or object that is used to identify yourself as an ally agent. We don't know the exact signal used for this conversation. But ex-soviet spy Klaus folks, describe some KGB tactics after the Cold War as a spy he was instructed to wear gloves. But carry a second pair or to hold a tennis ball as he walked down the street on the goal of these recognition signals is to be settled enough to seem normal but overt enough to identify your ally wants the recognition was confirmed. Goalless gave Julius a small slip of paper with a telephone number in perfect English Colo's told Julius to call him when he needed. To talk Julius nodded goalless got back into his car and left the whole meeting lasted no more than about thirty seconds. But it was the most important thirty seconds of Julius Rosenberg's life. Coming up. We'll hear how the FBI began to tighten a news around the Rosenbergs life. Now that Julius is a spy what's he going to do next in order to find out? Listen to the full I episode by subscribing to espionage wherever you listen to podcasts. New episodes come out every Friday.

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Assassinations

15:13 min | 1 year ago

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"Kate, and I are pleased to share with you a clip of another unbelievable par cast original called espionage. If you like crimes that are more about cunning and mind games than blood and violence than you will love the stories explored on espionage. Here's a clip of the first espionage episode about a young American couple who were accused of spying for the Soviet Union in the late nineteen forties to listen to the full first episode subscribe to espionage wherever you listen to podcasts. New episodes come out every Friday. Rose of records flash past Julius Rosenberg as he made his way deeper and deeper into the army signal corps building he checked his watch trying to remain as casual as possible that was the secret to being covert remain, perfectly normal. He pulled a paper bound file from the shelf, and unwrapped it inside was manual, dictating the full schematics on the US jet fighter. The p eighty shooting star this plane was the choice fighter for the American forces. And with any luck the Soviets would know every system on board just then a door slammed at the other end of the room. Someone was there. Julius didn't have much time. He pushed back his horn rimmed glasses and removed a small like a camera from a suitcase. He snapped pictures of the file one page at a time faster faster faster, then as the footsteps turned the corner, he tied the string around the file and placed it back on the shelf. It was just a record assistant restocking books. Julius nodded and continued on his way. That night Julius called his handler on the phone it rang twice, and he hung up. That was all his handler needed to know. Julius had information. This is SAP. A new park cast original exploring the missions behind the world's most incredible spies, and what brought their covert operations into the public eye. I'm your host Carter ROY throughout this show will explore real world spy tactics required to impersonate exploit and infiltrate the most confidential places in the world. This is our first episode on the world's most infamous, atomic spies. Julius and Ethel Rosenberg in the mid nineteen forties. Twenty-seven-year-old Julius and his thirty year old wife Ethel orchestrated a top secret operation to steal information about the atomic bomb from right under the FBI's knows this week. We'll explore how to American communists turned from activists into international spies next week. We'll follow the Rosenbergs as their operation comes crashing. To the ground. Julius Rosenberg had lived on the Lower East Side since he was a child. He knew it better than anyone the noise. The heat the discrimination. The big businesses flourishing while hardworking families starved New York City was proof that American capitalism had failed. Everyone said America was the land of opportunity on. That's why Julius says parents had moved there from the Russian empire, but the reality of life during the great depression, especially for working class Jewish immigrants like the Rosenbergs was far from utopian all Julius was injustice and inequality while Julius was a student at the City College of New York in the mid nineteen thirties. He worked part time at a pharmacy in Harlem one night. A black man was hit by a bus on the street just outside the shop. They br. Him inside. But in the hour it took for an ambulance to arrive the man bled to death. If that was the best America could offer Julius wanted to see his other options. Like, many young people in the nineteen thirties, Julius. Aw. A more promising vision of society in his family's homeland Russia at the time serving as the center of power within the Soviet Union. On your communism equality was a promise not a dream, the poor would be lifted up and the rich would be held in check. By the time. He was eighteen in nineteen thirty six Julius was a rising leader in C C, N wise, young Communist League. The communist party USA was enjoying a moment in the spotlight in the nineteen thirties membership rose from seven thousand five hundred fifty five thousand over the course of the decade, this was partially due to disillusionment with capitalism during the great depression and also in response to the rise of fascism in Spain and Germany in the days before McCarthyism, communism wasn't a dirty word and the party attracted droves supporters by fighting for labor laws women's rights and racial equality at a political rally in the winter of nineteen thirty six Julius met another free thinker Ethel Greenglass Ethel was a twenty one year old aspiring actress and out of work secretary. She'd been fired from her clerical job the previous year for organizing a worker strike, but it didn't scare her away from activism and fact, it only made her more. Fiery Julius and Ethel were both true. Believers in the communist cause and politics became the passion that bound them together. Julius was bold and fearless at one point in college. He led a raid on a German ocean. Liner, the SS Bremen and tore the Nazi flag from its Jack staff Ethel on the other hand was cautious and practical Julius could never be bothered to do his homework. So Ethel routinely wrote his college papers for him typing them up on her second hand, Remington typewriter. If it wasn't for Ethel's diligence Julius may not have finished college at all. But he finally graduated with a Bs in electrical engineering in February nineteen thirty nine one semester late and ranked seventy ninth out of eighty five in his class. The next year Julius got a job as a civilian engineer inspecting equipment for the army signal corps in New York. For most electrical engineers, this would have been a boring entry level job. But Julius saw the hidden value. This position offered him access to America's advanced radio radar and sonar technologies. The foundation of the US military's communication systems. Just a year later in December nineteen forty one the United States entered World War Two the Soviet Union and America where allies in the war, but they were still ideological opposites. As two of the world's rising superpowers neither country wanted to see the other surpass them in technological advances, and as two of America's rising communists, Julius and Ethel Rosenberg knew which side they wanted to come out on top. When the war was finally over. Throughout the early nineteen forties, Julius snuck as much information as he could into his briefcase, circuit board diagrams company messages. He didn't know exactly what Russia needed. So he grabbed a little bit of everything with Ethel's knowledge and support he hid the stolen documents on their apartments bookshelf, waiting for an opportunity to pass it along into the right hands to do that the Rosenbergs needed to contact the N cave. E D the Soviet Union's interior ministry and secret police agency, which would later become known as the K G B, but how do two twenty something. New Yorkers get connected with a foreign country's top secret intelligence agency. In nineteen forty one Julius and Ethel began feeling out potential contacts in the young Communist League, and the communist party USA, the attended weekly party meetings across New York City, and at every meeting Julius made it a point to mention in casual conversation that he happened to possess sensitive information that could undermine the American military laughter. Almost two years this method failed to produce any results the N cave. ED very rarely touched base with the communist party USA, which was basically an intellectual organization run by politically powerless, left wing academics, a proper nineteen forty Soviet agent. Focus their time on IB league universities. This was where the next generation of American statesman could be found by the end of nineteen forty two when Julius. Was twenty four and Ethel was twenty seven. They had a new plan if the N K V D didn't want them. They would build their own spy network who many of Julius is friends from college had found jobs in engineering facilities, where top secret US military equipment was turned out on conveyor belts every day. He started by reaching out to his old friend. Joel Barr who also worked with him at the army signal corps, his friend. Morton sobil was at General Electric. William Pearl was at the national advisory committee for 'aeronautics the predecessor to NASA. Other friends ended up at bell laboratories, western electric, and chemical engineering firm called the Celtics corporation, Julius sales. Pitch was always the same. According to his friend, max L chur, Julius would tell each potential recruit that many of their friends were already. Giving secrets to Russia and that together they could bring about a change in the status quo for most. This was all it took by April nineteen forty two Julius and Ethel had amassed half a dozen American engineers who are loyal to the communist cause together. They gathered information about sonar military radio radar and cutting edge avionics from their corporate day jobs. A few months later their work finally caught the kind of attention Julius had been waiting for. In June, nineteen forty two Julius was making his rounds at a communist party meeting when he was introduced to a man named Bernard. Schuster Shuster wasn't in N K V D agent himself, but he told Julius he knew an agent by the name of Jacob goalless. Codename sound Jacob Golos was a rising star in the N KVM d he was a Russian immigrant who had made a name for himself in the nineteen twenties by stealing American passports, which the Soviet Union used to forge American travel documents with extreme accuracy by nineteen thirty goalless was recruited by the Soviet Union as a bona fide spy his job was to recruit American intelligence sources aka assets who are willing to sell secrets to the Soviets Julius and Ethel Rosenberg where. Exactly, the kind of people. Go lows was looking for Schuster saw Julius has value to Russia and told him that he would contact goalless later that month by the end of the summer Bernard. Schuster told Julius that goal. Goalless would meet him in the upper east side within the following month. August nineteen forty two. Julius could feel the August heat pressing down on him. His glasses slid down the sweaty bridge of his nose finally a car stopped along the street and a man with a round face and large lips stepped out. His must be Jacob goalless. There was nothing special about goalless appearance. He looked totally unremarkable. This was by design. According to former chief of disguise of the CIA, John Mendez spies, try to be the man or woman that quote gets on the elevator. And then gets off. And nobody knew they were there. Goalless approached Julius and stopped a few feet away. What happened next is called a recognition signal. According to the international spy museum. This is a simple phrase word or object that is used to identify yourself as an ally agent. We don't know the exact signal used for this conversation, but ex Soviet spy Klaus folks, describe some KGB tactics after the Cold War as a spy he was instructed to wear gloves. But carry a second pair or to hold a tennis ball as he walked down the street on the goal of these recognition signals is to be settled enough to seem normal but overt enough to identify your ally. Once the recognition was confirmed goalless gave Julius a small slip of paper with a telephone number in perfect English Colo's told Julius to call him when he needed. To talk Julius nodded goalless got back into his car and left the whole meeting lasted no more than about thirty seconds. But it was the most important thirty seconds of Julius Rosenberg's life. Coming up. We'll hear how the FBI began to tighten a news around the Rosenbergs life. Now, the Julius has his foot in the door. I wonder what he's going to do next to find out. Listen to the full first episode by subscribing to espionage wherever you listen to podcasts. New episodes come out every Friday.

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Unsolved Murders: True Crime Stories

15:16 min | 1 year ago

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"The. I am pleased to announce that Carter is the new host of another unbelievable park asked original called espionage. Congratulations carter. Thanks, wendy. If you like crimes that are more about cunning and mind games than blood and violence than you will love the stories explored on espionage. Here's a clip of the first espionage episode about a young American couple who are accused of spying for the Soviet Union in the late nineteen forties to listen to the full. I subscribe to espionage wherever you listen to podcasts. New episodes come out every Friday. Rose of records flash past Julius Rosenberg as he made his way deeper and deeper into the army signal corps building he checked his watch trying to remain as casual as possible. That was the secret to being covert remain, perfectly normal. He pulled a paper bound file from the shelf, and unwrapped it inside was a manual dictating the full schematics on the US jet fighter. The p eighty shooting star this plane was the choice fighter for the American forces. And with any luck the Soviets would know every system on board just then a door slammed at the other end of the room. Someone was there. Julius didn't have much time. He pushed back his horn rimmed glasses and removed a small like a camera from a suitcase snapped pictures of the file one page at a time faster faster faster, then as the footsteps turned the corner, he tied the string around the file and placed it back on the shelf. It was just a record assistant restocking books. Julius nodded and continued on his way. That night Julius called his handler on the phone it rang twice, and he up that was all his handler needed to know. Julius had information. This is. A new park cast original exploring the missions behind the world's most incredible spies, and what brought their covert operations into the public eye. I'm your host Carter ROY throughout this show will explore real world spy tactics required to impersonate exploit and infiltrate the most confidential places in the world. This is our first episode on the world's most infamous, atomic spies. Julius and Ethel Rosenberg in the mid nineteen forties. Twenty-seven-year-old Julius and his thirty year old wife Ethel orchestrated a top secret operation to steal information about the atomic bomb from right under the FBI's knows on this week. We'll explore how to American communists turned from activists into international spies next week. We'll follow the Rosenbergs as their operation comes crashing. To the ground. Julius Rosenberg had lived on the Lower East Side since he was a child. He knew it better than anyone the noise. The heat the discrimination. The big businesses flourishing while hardworking families starved New York City was proof that American capitalism had failed. Everyone said America was the land of opportunity on. That's why Julius parents had moved there from the Russian empire, but the reality of life during the great depression, especially for working class Jewish immigrants like the Rosenbergs was far from utopian all Julius. Aw was injustice and inequality while Julius was a student at the City College of New York in the mid nineteen thirties. He worked part time at a pharmacy in Harlem one night, a black man was hit by a bus on the street just outside the shop. They br. Him inside. But in the hour it took for an ambulance to arrive the man bled to death. If that was the best America could offer Julius wanted to see his other options. Like, many young people in the nineteen thirties. Julia saw a more promising vision of society in his family's homeland Russia at the time serving as the center of power within the Soviet Union. Under communism equality was a promise not a dream, the poor would be lifted up and the rich would be held in check. By the time. He was eighteen in nineteen thirty six Julius was arising leader in C C, N wise, young Communist League. The communist party USA was enjoying a moment in the spotlight in the nineteen thirties membership rose from seven thousand five hundred to fifty five thousand over the course of the decade, this was partially due to disillusionment with capitalism during the great depression and also in response to the rise of fascism in Spain and Germany in the days before McCarthyism, communism wasn't a dirty word and the party attracted droves supporters by fighting for labor laws women's rights and racial equality at a political rally in the winter of nineteen thirty six Julius met another free thinker Ethel Greenglass Ethel was twenty one year old aspiring actress and out of work secretary. She'd been fired from her clerical job the previous year for organizing a worker strike, but it didn't scare her away from activism. In fact, it only made her more. Fiery Julius and Ethel were both true. Believers in the communist cause and politics became the passion that bound them together. Julius was bold and fearless at one point in college. He led a raid on a German ocean. Liner, the SS Bremen and tore the Nazi flag from its Jack staff Ethel on the other hand was cautious and practical Julius could never be bothered to do his homework. So at the routinely wrote his college papers for him typing them up on her second hand, Remington typewriter. If it wasn't for Ethel's diligence Julius may not have finished college at all. But he finally graduated with a Bs in electrical engineering in February nineteen thirty nine one semester late and ranked seventy ninth out of eighty five in his class. The next year Julius got a job as a civilian engineer inspecting equipment for the army signal corps in New York. For most electrical engineers, this would have been a boring entry level job. But Julius saw the hidden value. This position offered him access to America's advanced radio radar and sonar technologies. The foundation of the US military's communication systems. Just a year later in December nineteen forty one the United States entered World War Two the Soviet Union and America where allies in the war, but they were still ideological opposites. As two of the world's rising superpowers neither country wanted to see the other surpass them in technological advances, and as two of America's rising communists, Julius and Ethel Rosenberg knew which side they wanted to come out on top. When the war was finally over. Throughout the early nineteen forties, Julius snuck as much information as he could into his briefcase, circuit board diagrams company messages. He didn't know exactly what Russia needed. So he grabbed a little bit of everything with Ethel's knowledge and support he hid the stolen documents on their apartments bookshelf, waiting for an opportunity to pass it along into the right hands to do that the Rosenbergs needed to contact the N cave. E D the Soviet Union's interior ministry and secret police agency, which would later become known as the K G B, but how do to twenty something New Yorkers get connected with a foreign country's top secret intelligence agency. In nineteen forty one Julius and Ethel began feeling out potential contacts in the young Communist League, and the communist party USA, the attended weekly party meetings across New York City, and at every meeting Julius made it a point to mention in casual conversation that he happened to possess sensitive information that could undermine the American military laughter. Almost two years this method failed to produce any results. The N K V v very rarely touched base with the communist party USA, which was basically an intellectual organization run by politically powerless left wing academics, a proper nineteen forty Soviet agent. Focus their time on Ivy league universities. This was where the next generation of American statesman could be found by the end of nineteen forty two when Julius. Was twenty four and Ethel was twenty seven. They had a new plan if the N K V didn't want them. They would build their own spy network who many of Julius friends from college had found jobs in engineering facilities, where top secret US military equipment was turned out on conveyor belts every day. He started by reaching out to his old friend. Joel Barr who also worked with him at the army signal corps, his friend. Morton sobil was at General Electric. William Pearl was at the national advisory committee for 'aeronautics the predecessor to NASA. Other friends ended up at bell laboratories, western electric, and chemical engineering firm called the Celtics corporation, Julius sales. Pitch was always the same. According to his friend, max L chur, Julius would tell each potential recruit that many of their friends were already. I giving secrets to Russia and that together they could bring about a change and the status quo for most. This was all it took by April nineteen forty two Julius and Ethel had amassed half a dozen American engineers who are loyal to the communist cause together. They gathered information about sonar military radio radar and cutting edge avionics from their corporate day jobs. A few months later their work finally caught the kind of attention Julius had been waiting for. In June, nineteen forty two Julius was making his rounds at a communist party meeting when he was introduced to a man named Bernard Schuster Shuster wasn't an N K V agent himself, but he told Julius he knew an agent by the name of Jacob goalless. Codename sound Jacob Golos was a rising star in the N cave. E he was a Russian immigrant who had made a name for himself in the nineteen twenties by stealing American passports, which the Soviet Union used to forge American travel documents with extreme accuracy by nineteen thirty goalless was recruited by the Soviet Union as a bona fide spy his job was to recruit American intelligence sources aka assets who are willing to sell secrets to the Soviets Julius and Ethel Rosenberg where. Exactly, the kind of people go Los was looking for Schuster saw Julius value to Russia and told him that he would contact goalless later that month by the end of the summer Bernard. Schuster toll Julius that goalless would meet him in the upper east side within the following month. August nineteen forty two. Julius could feel the August heat pressing down on him. His glasses slid down the sweaty bridge of his nose finally a car stopped along the street and a man with a round face and large lips stepped out. This must be Jacob goalless. There was nothing special about goalless appearance. He looked totally unremarkable. This was by design. According to former chief of disguise of the CIA, John Mendez spies, try to be the man or woman that quote gets on the elevator. And then gets off. And nobody knew they were there. Goalless approached Julius and stopped a few feet away. What happened next is called a recognition signal. According to the international spy museum. This is a simple phrase word or object that is used to identify yourself as an ally agent. We don't know the exact signal used for this conversation. But ex-soviet spy Klaus folks, describe some KGB tactics after the Cold War as a spy he was instructed to wear gloves. But carry a second pair or to hold a tennis ball as he walked down the street on the goal of these recognition signals is to be settled enough to seem normal but overt enough to identify your ally wants the recognition was confirmed. Goalless gave Julius a small slip of paper with a telephone number in perfect English Colo's told Julius to call him when he needed. To talk Julius nodded goalless, Scott back into his car and left the whole meeting lasted no more than about thirty seconds. But it was the most important thirty seconds of Julius Rosenberg's life. Coming up. We'll hear how the FBI began to tighten news around the Rosenbergs life. Now that Julius is a spy what's he going to do next in order to find out? Listen to the full first episode by subscribing to espionage wherever you listen to podcasts. New episodes come out every Friday.

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February 21, 2020: Bernard Julius Otto Kuehn

Today in True Crime

13:02 min | 5 months ago

February 21, 2020: Bernard Julius Otto Kuehn

"Today is Friday February Twenty First. Twenty twenty on this day in nineteen forty. Two german-born Bernard Julius Otto. Kuhn was convicted of spying for the Japanese. His espionage led to the devastating World War Two attack on Pearl Harbor. Welcome to today and true crime. Apart cast original. Due to the graphic nature of today's crimes listener discretion is advised extreme. Caution is advised for listeners under thirteen. Today we're covering the World War. Two espionage of Bernard coon who worked closely with his stepdaughter to collect intelligence on American fleet movements in Pearl Harbor. Let's go back to February. Twenty first nineteen forty two forty seven year old. German. Ex-pat Bernard Julius Otto Kuhn stood before an American military tribunal in Honolulu Hawaii. A jury of uniformed officers. I'd him from the bench as the judge announced his sentence for spying on. Us military operations and sharing that Intel with the Japanese Bernard coon was condemned to death by firing squad. Court was adjourned. Bernard maintained his composure despite the crushing sentence but the next day he got news that cracked his stony facade his twenty two year old stepdaughter ruth. Coon was also going to be tried on charges of espionage. And if the truth came out Bernard knew that she would be sentenced to death as well. The journey to this moment began back in nineteen thirty. Five when Bernard coon was a man on the rise. In Germany a respected veteran from World War One Bernard was also a medical doctor who hobnobbed with many high ranking Nazis. The doctor's own attributes however often paled next to those of his fifteen year old step daughter. Ruth she was bright beautiful and adventurous traits that endeared her to many of Bernard's acquaintances to his dismay. They even attracted the notice of Minister of propaganda. Yosef Gobbles Bernardino knew that goebbels was a married man not to mention more than twenty years older than his stepdaughter yet. He felt he could do nothing to deny such a powerful figure ruth. Meanwhile thought she bagged a major catch and being a fifteen year old. Couldn't help but tell everyone about her love affair with the powerful Nazi. This was a mistake. It made her and by extension the whole coon family a matter of national concern goebbels. Young lover was embarrassing and potentially a liability in mid nineteen thirty five bear. Narda was informed that the fatherland needed his service in Honolulu Hawaii. It was four years before World War Two but the Germans were already looking to form an alliance with Japan. The Japanese intern were seeking ways to expand their empire and they needed light skinned English speakers in Hawaii to get them information. Although Barnard did speak English. He probably knew that wasn't why he'd been given the job. He and his family were being shipped off to keep ruth away from Joseph Goebbels Turning Down. The job was not an option. He arrived on the islands in the summer of Nineteen thirty five with his wife six year. Old Son and Ruth Bernhard claim to be a linguist studying Japanese and Hawaiian culture. Ruth find a place for herself as Bernard's helper a bright young woman interested in regional history together father and stepdaughter traveled all over Hawaii. Getting the lay of the land for Germany's Japanese friends. The thrill of spying was incredible. Especially for adventurous young ruth. She became addicted to the game and she hungered for more. She started attending dances at naval clubs. All over the island and made friends with a number of officers who she coquettish questioned about their bases their schedules and their orders. Everything she learned she passed onto Bernard in turn he related the Intel to the Japanese consulate and collected their pay the Intel Ruth and Bernard collected so impressed their allies that around nineteen forty one. They were summoned to meet Japan's Vice Counsel Oto Jiro Khuda Okuda told the father stepdaughter team that his country needed detailed information on the movements of the American fleet. In and around Pearl Harbor Ruth was confident they could deliver the goods. She'd recently gotten engaged to an American naval officer and she was certain that she could charm him into telling her anything the Japanese wanted to know. Bernard on the other hand wasn't comfortable with the mission as a former intelligence officer he knew kind of data was sometimes used to plan an attack and if the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor his family would be endangered in more ways than one. Ruth however was determined to complete the assignment. She negotiated the fee herself. Forty thousand dollars for the Intel. Almost seven hundred thousand dollars today. Bernard couldn't say no coming up the consequences of Bernard and roots actions podcast listeners. We realized that there are a lot of par- cast chose to choose from each day and sometimes not enough time to sort through them all in our new feed podcast daily we filter through your favorite podcast series to highlight the most timely and relevant episode premiering. Each day every Monday through Friday. Discover in new and captivating episode curated specifically for you. That's one new episode from our slate of content handpicked with you in mind. Time is precious. And we've got you covered. Follow podcast daily free on spotify or wherever. You get your podcasts. You can check out more. Podcast shows and a full library of episodes in spotify by searching for par cast in the spotify search bar or by going to spotify dot com slash podcast. Now back to the story in nineteen forty one. German National Bernard Koon and his stepdaughter ruth provided Japan with intelligence on the movements of the American Fleet in and around Pearl Harbor for hefty fee. The consequences would be devastating on Sunday December seventh nineteen forty one bear. Narda rose early to take his son Hans to Sunday school on his way back to their Pearl Harbor home. He heard planes droning overhead. Then there were flashes of light above the harbor next AH BOOM AND PLUMES OF SMOKE. This was the result of their Intel. Japan was destroying the fleet thereby pulling the US into World War. Two that meant the Americans would soon be knocking on the Kuhn family door. They're not had an outlet coordinated with the Japanese in preparation for just this sort of emergency. He and his family would flee to Tokyo where new lives awaited them but it would only work if they could get off the island immediately amidst the chaos of the bombing which it turned out. They couldn't less than a day later. American officials barged into the Kuhn's home vice counsel Khuda had attempted to burn incriminating documents at the consulate. But they'd stopped him just in time among the paperwork they retrieved was a detailed report of Bernard. And Ruth's intelligence Bernard immediately claimed responsibility. He told officials that he did all the work himself and that his family knew nothing about it unconvinced. The Americans took Bernard Ruth and Friedel into custody up on February twenty first nineteen forty two less than three months after the bombing bear. Nord was tried by a military tribunal. He was found guilty of espionage and condemned to death by Musket. Fire a dark end but at first Bernard felt. This was a win. Surely if he was being sentenced to death it meant. They blamed him for the espionage. Naught Ruth however the next day he found that his stepdaughter was to be tried as well at last. He lost his composure. Bernard begged US intelligence officers to set ruth free claiming she was nothing more than an innocent young woman at first his audience remained unmoved. But then Bernard offered to tell them everything he knew. At which point they became very interested. Indeed we don't know exactly what Bernard told American officials behind closed doors. But we do know that. Shortly after this conversation Ruth and Friedel were released from custody they were sent to an internment camp to wade out the remainder of the war when it ended in nineteen forty five. They were deported to Germany. As for Bernard. His sentence was mercifully reduced from execution to fifty years hard labour after thirteen years in. Us custody he was ultimately sent back to his family and a Post War Germany. To face the aftermath of the war he had helped put into motion. Thanks for listening to today in true. Crime. I'm Vanessa Richardson today. In true crime is a podcast original. You can find more episodes of today in true crime and all other podcast originals for free on spotify. Not only spotify already. Have all of your favorite music but now spotify is making it easy for you? Enjoy all of your favorite podcast originals. Like today and true crime for free from your phone desktop or smart speaker to stream today in true crime on spotify just opened the APP and type today in true crime in the search bar at par cast. We're grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network? We'll be back with a brand new episode tomorrow in True Crime. Today in true crime was created by Max Cutler and his podcast studios original is executive produced by Max Cutler. Sound design by Karie Murphy with production assistance by Ron Shapiro Carly Madden Aaron Larson and Joel Stein. 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ESPIONAGE, a new Parcast podcast!

Haunted Places

15:13 min | 1 year ago

ESPIONAGE, a new Parcast podcast!

"I'm thrilled to share with all of you a clip from another incredible park has original called espionage. If you'd like to be scared more with cunning and mind games than ghosts and spirits than you will love the stories explored on espionage. Here's a clip of the first espionage episode about a young American couple who were accused of spying for the Soviet Union in the late nineteen forties. If you wanna listen to the full, I f Assode subscribe to espionage wherever you listen to podcasts. New episodes come out every Friday. Rose of records flash past Julius Rosenberg as he made his way deeper and deeper into the army signal corps building he checked his watch trying to remain as casual as possible that was the secret to being covert remain, perfectly normal. He pulled a paper bound file from the shelf, and unwrapped it inside was a manual dictating the full schematics on the US jet fighter that p eighty shooting star. This plane was the choice fighter for the American forces. And with any luck the Soviets would know every system on board just then a door slammed at the other end of the room. Someone was there. Julius didn't have much time. He pushed back his horn rimmed glasses and removed a small like a camera from a suitcase. Be snapped pictures of the file one page at a time faster faster faster than as the footsteps turned the corner, he tied the string around the file and placed it back on the shelf. It was just a record assistant restocking books. Julius nodded and continued on his way. That night Julius called his handler on the phone it rang twice, and he hung up. That was all his handler needed to know. Julius had information. This is SAP a new park cast original exploring the missions behind the world's most incredible spies, and what brought their covert operations into the public eye. I'm your host Carter ROY throughout this show will explore real world spy tactics required to impersonate exploit and infiltrate the most confidential places in the world. This is our first episode on the world's most infamous, atomic spies. Julius and Ethel Rosenberg in the mid nineteen forties. Twenty-seven-year-old Julius and his thirty year old wife Ethel orchestrated a top secret operation to steal information about the atomic bomb from right under the FBI's knows on this week. We'll explore how to American communists turned from activists into international spies next week. We'll follow. Oh, the Rosenbergs as their operation comes crashing to the ground. Julius Rosenberg had lived on the Lower East Side since he was a child. He knew it better than anyone the noise. The heat the discrimination. The big businesses flourishing while hardworking families starved New York City was proof that American capitalism had failed. Everyone said America was the land of opportunity on. That's why Julius is parents had moved there from the Russian empire. But the reality of life during the great depression, especially for working class Jewish immigrants like the Rosenbergs was far from utopian all Julius. Aw, was injustice and inequality. Well, Julius was a student at the City College of New York in the mid nineteen thirties. He worked part time at a pharmacy in Harlem one night. A black man was hit by a bus on the street just outside the shop. Yep. They brought him inside. But in the hour. It took for an ambulance to arrive the man bled to death. If that was the best America could offer Julius wanted to see his other options. Like, many young people in the nineteen thirties, Julius. Aw. A more promising vision of society in his family's homeland Russia at the time serving as the center of power within the Soviet Union on their communism equality was a promise on a dream the poor would be lifted up and the rich would be held in check. By the time. He was eighteen in nineteen thirty six Julius was a rising leader in C C, N wise, young Communist League. The communist party USA was enjoying a moment in the spotlight in the nineteen thirties membership rose from seven thousand five hundred fifty five thousand over the course of the decade, this was partially due to disillusionment with capitalism during the great depression and also in response to the rise of fascism in Spain Germany in the days before McCarthyism, communism wasn't a dirty word in the party attracted droves supporters by fighting for labor laws women's rights and racial equality at a political rally in the winter of nineteen thirty six Julius met another free thinker Ethel Greenglass Ethel was a twenty one year old aspiring actress and out of work secretary. She'd been fired from her clerical job the previous year for organizing a worker strike, but it didn't scare her away from activism and fact, it only made her more. Fiery Julius and Ethel were both true. Believers in the communist cause and politics became the passion that bound them together. Julius was bold and fearless at one point in college. He led a raid on a German ocean. Liner, the SS Bremen and tore the Nazi flag from its Jack staff Ethel on the other hand was cautious and practical Julius could never be bothered to do his homework. So at though routinely wrote his college papers for him typing them up on her second hand, Remington typewriter. If it wasn't for Ethel's diligence Julius may not have finished college at all. But he finally graduated with a Bs in electrical engineering in February nineteen thirty nine one semester late and ranked seventy ninth out of eighty five in his class. The next year Julius got a job as a civilian engineer inspecting equipment for the army signal corps in New York. For most electrical engineers, this would have been a boring entry level job. But Julius saw the hidden value. This position offered him access to America's advanced radio radar and sonar technologies. The foundation of the US military's communication systems. Just a year later in December nineteen forty one the United States entered World War Two the Soviet Union and America where allies in the war, but they were still ideological opposites. As two of the world's rising superpowers neither country wanted to see the other surpass them in technological advances, and as two of America's rising communists, Julius and Ethel Rosenberg knew which side they wanted to come out on top. When the war was finally over. Throughout the early nineteen forties, Julius snuck as much information as he could into his briefcase, circuit board diagrams company messages. He didn't know exactly what Russia needed. So he grabbed a little bit of everything with Ethel's knowledge and support he hid the stolen documents on their apartments bookshelf, waiting for an opportunity to pass it along into the right hands to do that the Rosenbergs needed to contact the N cave. E D the Soviet Union's interior ministry and secret police agency, which would later become known as the K G B, but how do two twenty something. New Yorkers get connected with a foreign country's top secret intelligence agency. In nineteen forty one Julius and Ethel began feeling out potential contacts in the young Communist League, and the communist party USA, the attended weekly party meetings across New York City, and at every meeting Julius made it a point to mention in casual conversation that he happened to possess sensitive information that could undermine the American military laughter. Almost two years this method failed to produce any results. The N K V v very rarely touched base with the communist party USA, which was basically an intellectual organization run by politically powerless left wing academics, a proper nineteen forty Soviet agent. Focus their time on Ivy league universities. This was where the next generation of American statesman could be found by the end of nineteen forty two when Julia. Was twenty four and Ethel was twenty seven the had a new plan if the N K V didn't want them. They would build their own spy network. Many of Julius friends from college had found jobs in engineering facilities, where top secret US military equipment was turned out on conveyor belts every day. He started by reaching out to his old friend. Joel Barr who also worked with him at the army signal corps, his friend. Morton sobil was at General Electric. William Pearl was at the national advisory committee for 'aeronautics the predecessor to NASA. Other friends ended up at bell laboratories, western electric, and chemical engineering firm called the Celtics corporation, Julius sales. Pitch was always the same. According to his friend max at Julius would tell each potential recruit that many of their friends were already. Giving secrets to Russia and that together they could bring about a change and the status quo for most. This was all it took by April nineteen forty two Julius and Ethel had amassed half a dozen American engineers who are loyal to the communist cause together. They gathered information about sonar military radio radar and cutting edge avionics from their corporate day jobs of few months later, their work finally caught the kind of attention Julius had been waiting for. In June, nineteen forty two Julius was making his rounds at a communist party meeting when he was introduced to a man named Bernard Schuster Shuster wasn't an N K V D agent himself, but he told Julius he knew an agent by the name of Jacob goalless codename sound on Jacob goalless was a rising star in the N caveat d he was a Russian immigrant who had made a name for himself in the nineteen twenties by stealing American passports, which the Soviet Union used to forge American travel documents with extreme accuracy by nineteen thirty goalless was recruited by the Soviet Union as a bona fide spy his job was to recruit American intelligence sources aka assets who are willing to sell secrets to the Soviets Julius and Ethel Rosenberg were. Exactly, the kind of people. Go lows was looking for Schuster saw Julius has value to Russia and told him that he would contact goalless later that month by the end of the summer Bernard. Schuster toll Julius that goalless would meet him in the upper east side within the following month. August nineteen forty two. Julius could feel the August heat pressing down on him. His glasses slid down the sweaty bridge of his nose finally a car stopped along the street and a man with a round face and large lips stepped out. This must be Jacob goalless. There was nothing special about goalless appearance. He looked totally unremarkable. This was by design. According to former chief of disguise of the CIA, John Mendez spies, try to be the man or woman that quote gets on the elevator. And then gets off. And nobody knew they were there. Goalless approached Julius and stopped a few feet away. What happened next is called a recognition signal. According to the international spy museum. This is a simple phrase word or object that is used to identify yourself as an ally agent. We don't know the exact signal used for this conversation. But ex-soviet spy Klaus folks, describe some KGB tactics after the Cold War as a spy he was instructed to wear gloves. But carry a second pair or to hold a tennis ball as he walked down the street on the goal of these recognition signals is to be settled enough to seem normal but overt enough to identify your ally. Once the recognition was confirmed goalless gave Julius a small slip of paper with a telephone number in perfect English Colo's told Julius to call him when he needed. To talk Julius nodded goalless got back into his car and left the whole meeting lasted no more than about thirty seconds. But it was the most important thirty seconds of Julius Rosenberg's life. Coming up. We'll hear how the FBI began to tighten a news around the Rosenbergs life. Now that Julius has this foot in the door. Will he realized that life as a spy is scarier than any ghost story? Listen to the full first episode by subscribing to espionage wherever you listen to podcasts. New episodes come out every Friday.

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Interview with John DiJulius : The Relationship Economy

3X Value Growth

12:18 min | 11 months ago

Interview with John DiJulius : The Relationship Economy

"Hello everyone and welcome to another episode of the three x Value Cross podcast. The name is Kerry Sol's value growth advisor to mid market companies and the author of the Bestseller multiply your business value in three steps. I'm coming to you from New Hampshire Daring New Hampshire precise and as always I start with a piece of Trivia about the state of New Hampshire this this time I want to tell you that undescended thirtieth eighteen twenty eight about four hundred mil girls walked out of the Dover over cotton factory enacting the very first women's strike in the United States now the Dover mill girls were forced to give in on their strike when the mill owners immediately began advertising for their replacements but still it was the very first women strike in the United States up here in New Hampshire so joining me today on the three x value growth podcast is John. Did Julius Julius Group. Welcome John Thank you. It's a pleasure to be here. Where where are you calling in from Cleveland Ohio Okay. Do you have the same kind of fallish weather that we have we do. I don't know if anything's as beautiful as New Hampshire but it's a great time to be in the Mid West. It's gorgeous debts. Jagna you want us to be gorgeous will thank you again for joining me here today before we get started I did. I want to give people a little bit of an idea of who you are what you bring to the conversation. John D. Julius is the authority on world class customer customer service. He's an international consultant keynote speaker and the best selling author of three customer service folks his newest book will be the relationship economy and I'm really excited to hear more about your ideas. I'm relationship economy because it so imperative where we are today. I think it's so on point I love it. John is the founder of three businesses as well. The Julius Group an international consulting firm focused on changing the way the world world by creating a customer service revolution he also owns John Roberts spa a chain of upscale salons in northeastern the Ohio which has repeatedly been named one of the top twenty salons in America and he's the owner of believe in dreams a nonprofit that helps make dreams come true for deserving children. The diversity of what you're involved in is really interesting John. Thank you again for joining us here on the show. Thank you you now. The topic that we suggested for our seven minute interview is the relationship economy and we're going to do that in just seven minutes right the where you would ever you like I'll do it. Okay I know you will you deliver on everything you promise. That's good customer service so we'll start with. There are seven questions in seven minutes starting now. Who is your ideal client businesses. They're looking to make a customer experience. Their single biggest competitive advantage they want to be the the brand people can't live it out and they wanNA make price irrelevance. I tell me more about what you mean by make pricey relevant. What make embrace aerobic doesn't mean you can double your prices or even even raise them. Twenty percent not lose existing customers. What it does mean is based on the experience you your brand consistently deliver your your customers. Have no idea what your competition charges right. We're all price sensitive and if you've been like me I've driven three extra miles to save fifty cents on something something not realizing I just lost nat exchange but we also have each of us. Have a few people vendors partners you name it that they are so loyal to that. I couldn't even tell you what they charge because I'm I just don't pay attention because they make me so loyal because of the relationship and trust that they built terrific right on track so question number two. What problem do you think you are solving when you're talking about midsize or larger businesses just to make not to chase price and to insulate yourself to be less affected by third party conditions additions be at the economy an election year the mortgage collapse all the things that go on the global crisis this it is proven fact factor refutable. Evans the top twenty percent customer satisfaction companies just outperform the rest of their industry S. and P. Five hundred by light. You know three hundred percents and you know it yeah. It's a shock in that. Why doesn't everyone focus on customer experience. It's not it's not OUGHTA expense. It's an investment great answer. I love what you're telling me so that leads me to question number three. What are the typical symptoms of this problem. You see businesses experiencing or that. These owners are talking about well. Just in the relationship economy today's illiterate those who have been in billeted truly make a deep connection with others and today we're living in a digital disruption era in technology providers unprecedented arrested advances however is convenience is also changed every part of society in relationship disadvantaged and personally and professionally in we're living in a touchscreen age and that isn't a generational thing we have grandparents and social media and we are six year olds using devices too many hours a day and I love technology and technology is not the enemy but using it to eliminate the human human experience is that's an interesting point. That's really yeah. There's a big difference there so question number four is what are the most common mistakes that you see them making when they tried to solve this problem themselves. What are they doing wrong. Well again today. It's too high tak not touch or very low touched and where you know there's a a wireless company in Canada that is forcing their customers to use off service channels and to the point that if you call up I to speak to a human being they will charge your account ten dollars and you can't remove the human interaction and you don't want to. I'm not loyal oil to a an APP. I'm not loyal to devices. I'm well. People in people is what creates brand. You can't live without people's what show me empathy and compassion and people are what make a brilliant comeback when from time to time you dropped the ball that really good points you making yes. I'm thinking all sorts of ideas when you remind me of those so going on to question number five based on what you do in the mistakes people making for the owners who are listening. What's one valuable free action that you see that these business owners can implement on their own that will immediately helping increase value well. The first is making sure that we train and retrain every employee on the relationship building the art of building building relationships. It's not common sense what you and I took decades to develop and cultivate over years. The next generations didn't have that no fault of their own so putting those in what we recommend. Is You know we're all preoccupied with our own. Lights genetically coded. It's my flight was delayed. It's my son. That may have gotten in trouble at school. It's it's my employees. That's coming in late right so what we teach Sean. When ever someone has an interaction with a customer a coworker or total stranger is you have to focus on their four after after wire D and if you focus on the other person's Ford and you learn two or more things at the other person's Ford you'll not only build a report you'll own the relationship ship so Ford stands for family occupation recreation in dreams right to each of us our own Ford is is those critical hot buttons so that helps us focusing on other people's four in find out what matters to them and then we can provide our recommendation our expertise expertise but you really build emotional connection when you focus on other people's four. That's a nice way to encapsulate it with Ford because you're you're paying attention to who they are. What's important to them and why which again to your point about the empathy so that indeed you're you're speaking the same language and you're creating that relationship and and then you can solve the problem exactly powerful really powerful so building on that. What's one valuable free resource that you can direct people people to get will further help them solving this problem and are on our website? All our blogs are free. They can download them. They all share ear how they do that the Ford concept how companies are using the Ford concept in their crm systems so they're tracking it. They're having contests contest. Ford tracking to see coup in this month of September has gained the most Ford information on their clients and things like that ah in it it's really rewarding in fulfilling to employ and just as much as as a leader should know the Ford of their employees. I mean shame on us that we may work together all day for three years and I can't tell you specific things about an employee's so building that emotional emotional connection is critical every phase of our careers and our personalized really powerful and something important to remember my last question to you is to really turn it around and say what's one question. I should be asking you that. I didn't and share the question as well as the answer please you. You did a really good job. The three strategic ways to dominate the relationship economy and everyone listening has to realize make no mistake. The lack of people skills in our society is the problem business leaders to solve our next generation. Ratio employees are exist generation blaze. We have to prepare them so the three strategic ways is one use technology. I love technology again yeah. I can't stress enough. It's not the enemy use technology to perform basic tasks conveniences enabling. You know your employees to focus on what's most important in building relationships that result in higher customer loyalty retention lifetime value and job satisfaction number to build culture an internal culturally the Koreans emotional connections with your boys in number three incorporate the relationship building training for new and existing voice those three things I have found that the companies companies there are flourishing in the relationship economy. That's what they're doing and quite frankly. We all could be doing it. That was another golden tip. I really appreciate that. You shared that with us. Thank you so much for joining me here. On the three s value growth podcasts. You really added value to every business that is listening into us today. Thank you very much on my pleasure thank you thanks for checking out the three x value growth podcast. If you like what we're doing here the head over to items and subscribe leave us a review or rate us. 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#102 - Above Sound

Think: Sustainability

16:03 min | 1 year ago

#102 - Above Sound

"So what you he is one of the balloon cops on the ground. You can see it on YouTube people blowing it up with a leaf blower or something. And pops his quite a pop it's like a big balloon, and it's quite a crack. But the sound you're about to hear is the sound of same balloon popping in a very very thin atmosphere with the very very little air. What I love about this burst point. Is you hear the burst? And then there's just these sort of like second of just calm and silence after the burst before the chaos of the descent begins. It's very chaotic. I'm trying to put my e someway, and he what's going on is if I were there. So I thought I guess I can to look to sending into the sky. So this is Julius Julius is a sound recordist and before sending microphones up into the sky he worked in birth film and TV so where it comes from is working onset as sound recorders and trying to capture room tone room tone of natural moments of silence, you walk into a space, and it's the subtle sounds in a street facing office in all to mow that might be the buzz of the traffic. Or the sound of computer keyboards mouses clicking. Room tone will sound different depending on where you are in the studio, for example. It'll be quiet. These moments recorded to smoothen the underlying tone all background sound of the audio. But in his work, Julius was finding room Chinese very very difficult to capture on a film set. Because everyone likes the noise it's really hard to get people to stop just be still and just think about themselves thirty seconds and not do anything it sire hard to do that. I was quite interested in that. Because as like Mira our approach to sounding in reality in real world. So what I'm trying to do is get more microphones away from all sound, okay? Off into really remote places in the country, Canada, and the central Australia, and and what not to try and get away from all human sand and try and minimize wildlife sounded recordings as much as possible to capture as close to a silence and naturally occurring. Silence. As I can. So in his most recent experiment. He's done this twice. Now. Julius set out to weet Halley a small town in central New South Wales. More than five hundred kilometers west of Sydney, a place characterized by its flatness and vast expanse of grasslands and to caption natural silence. Julius made a stratosphere on a device. He says not only looks ridiculous. But like a satellite a child might make he placed his recorder and battery into a Tupperware container. Wrapping it in black duct tape to keep it balanced. He then attached threaded rod with the microphone hooked onto the underside to cameras were on there as well ago prior and three sixty Cam all of this being attached to a weather balloon that would float thirty three Columba's upwards into the stratosphere, and the reason that he headed to central Australia. Was not only because that's why he got permission to launch. But when the balloon would pop and the equipment tumble back down. He had the space while tracking it on a GPS to drive around to where it landed to pick it up. When you got back to their according what's going through your minds like when you got back to the equipment after having had to drive around and find it because it's been like two and a half hours a half hours. You know, you really hurt that did JPS tractors and everything's all working and AllState together. So it's Marley terrifying. Because it costs a lot of money, and I'm sending you know equipment up like it's expensive. If you lose everything you lose equipment. But you know, you you don't have any daughter. You've got no sound foot secretly. It was all that. This is think sustainability I'm Jay Walker and today's episode is above sound. Okay. So this is the moment of Tyco. Fortunately, someone did walk. So you can either country of dross, but it's really amazing because right? He you hear it leaves the ground. What's interesting is wants the mics get to a higher spec. You start really hearing all the wildlife Beloit because United nine long thin. It you're above it. As it goes up, even if you sort of a couple of hundred meters into the sky the microphones placed above everything. So you have that sort of perspective looking down. And then as it gets higher you start to hear traffic, and sort of farm machinery, even though it's very the re Di traffic around the, you know, the peaches show me that. But what I believe is happening is again, it's just high speed as soon as the microphones get higher. They start. There's nothing in the way to stop the sound propagating. So the topography of the land is no longer a factor and the sound travels until it dissipates. He animal sounds gradually disappear. Taken over by the sounds of what seems to be distant, traffic and other human machinery. And then the wind starts to come into the recording more. So then the wind starts to take over from the the human sound. And then you elect we've only the wind once you get into the jet stream about ten ten kilometers up. The twins is much stronger. And would you call this the natural silence? This is not the natural science yet because we have the geographic sound of wind. So the still wind some still trying China work at it's actually what some of these sounds are actually and White House lot house like that. Quite know. Exactly. You know, we need something to make sound needs to be interrupted by something to make a sound or interrupted self and Swoosh around it self at this point Skype wildlife's out any animal sound. Good got heavy. The way it was like. Especially as the space sounds that you see on online and whatnot. They're all certifications of data. It's not what you hearing. It's DASA turned into sound. None of that. He's actually putting you either. Silence information. He the really is like to check out 'cause I guess there's no manual riot. There's not manual. What's his of? What is above? We die. We die. Have that information? The only the Elliott sound recordings. We have of whether balloon flights into the stratosphere, the refu- examples on YouTube, and the only recordings we have three camera microphones, which have the quality. You get lost in system noise. That's one aspect the recording system is in inferior. It's not being done as far as I've seen, and I've looked it's not being done from a sound recording point of view. So there is no manual. You know, it's just making it up. Minute shows how loud L is and how loud L soundscape that I have to go to these links to get away from all human sound as well as wildlife, San yes. But one of the big things as this recording is actually showing as the market get high. The wildlife San is left behind lift on the ground. But the human is still there. So really shows the reach of human sound. And I think that's really quite interesting. How much noise there is in our world. So as far as what this recording is telling us about. I'm not too. Sure yet you lay except for the reach of human sound. This is right at the top. This has been turned up an awful long way of turned up. So you can actually hear what's going on. If unless it really like, we just couldn't really hear very, very, quiet. So this is the very pig. This is the quietest point. And it sounds like. That's a sensually the quite as pop. It's really hard to hear. It's interesting because you talking about this idea of natural silence. Ultimately, we pump it up again to try and hear a sound. But if you bring it back down, maybe that's the silence where it hasn't been edited. Like, we haven't brought up the volume. It's kind of an interesting idea of what is like ultimately silence. Look, and then because this is a recording. So I am recording something, I'm look I'm not there myself to actually try and experience an actual silence. So as soon as you record something it's kind of like, it becomes a sonic object, turning it off turns into in quite different because I'm trying to dig in and find something in there in some ways. I don't wanna hear anything because I'm trying actually get to get to the point where the marker fines don't work with is nothing happening naturally. That's what I'm trying to do. Since the recording Julius has been looking into a number of things for one the frequencies of the recorded silence using frequency Analiza. He's been trying to make sense of what the particular sounds of the silence could be maybe it system noise. The natural buzz the recording device makes all maybe it's electromagnetic interference with no real reference full stratospheric sound his next step is to jump into an Anna wick chamber one of those completely silent of rooms with padded geometric walls that not only contain sound they absorb it in their hill record noise print catching the tone of the room and compare that to these stratospheric silence. And maybe that will tell him something who maybe not, but Julius isn't immediately set on finding answers, but Rahva getting you to listen, it's quite interesting. When people listen to. The recording. Because obviously, you build you build your image in your head of what you're seeing and it sound in some ways. Maybe it sounds like it's quite high up the images and the footage is fantastic. And as cool to some of it is it informs myself, and I'm flipping it entirely. The sound is the thing that's tells me more, and it's more often much more exciting. You know, you have to build your own picture. You have that sound sociation going on you have an image that you've seen before will say at the same time is hearing the sound. You don't have that. So you have to make it up yourself. Environment. An ecosystem that looks fine. But when you listen to it, it's like, where's the wildlife gone, for instance. And it tells the story of of a place. Sound sounds just this weed thing that's not understood in some ways because we have turn ease a lot of we do that so much very visually dominated culture. We just SIS of hearing as much as we could. The sound told the story the sound gives the information the sound is full of the sound is the mystical full of mistake. What does it sound like in the sky? Really? Think sustainability is made possible with the support of two SEI radio the university of technology, Sydney, and he's hood around stray Lya by the community radio network. Thank sustainability is made in the two studios in Sydney on gotta go land of the urination who sovereignty was never seated. You can subscribe to the show. Have you get your podcasts where also on chains? Just search for things stain ability. I'm Jay modem. Thanks for your company.

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ESPIONAGE, a new Parcast podcast!

GONE

15:10 min | 1 year ago

ESPIONAGE, a new Parcast podcast!

"Yeah. Richard Nyerere thrilled to share with you a clip of another incredible park cast original called espionage. If you like crimes that are more about cutting and mind games than blood in violence than you'll love the stories explored espionage. Here's a clip of the first espionage episode about a young American Coppell who are accused of spying for the Soviet Union in the late nineteen forties to us into the full first episode subscribe to espionage wherever you listen to podcasts. New episodes come out every Friday. Rose of records flashed past Julius Rosenberg as he made his way deeper and deeper into the army signal corps building he checked his watch trying to remain as casual as possible. That was the secret to being covert remain, perfectly normal. He pulled a paper bound file from the shelf, and unwrapped it inside was a manual dictating the full schematics on the US jet fighter. The p eighty shooting star this plane was the choice fighter for the American forces. And with any luck the Soviets would know every system on board just then a door slammed at the other end of the room. Someone was there. Julius didn't have much time. He pushed back his horn rimmed glasses and removed a small like a camera from a suitcase. He snapped pictures of the file one page at a time faster faster faster, then as the footsteps turned the corner, he tied the string around the file and placed it back on the shelf. It was just a record assistant restocking books. Julius nodded in continued on his way. That night Julius called his handler on the phone it rang twice, and he hung up. That was all his handler needed to know. Julius had information. This is s BNR's a new park cast original exploring the missions behind the world's most incredible spies, and what brought their covert operations into the public eye. I'm your host Carter ROY throughout this show will explore real world spy tactics required to impersonate exploit and infiltrate the most confidential places in the world. This is our first episode on the world's most infamous, atomic spies. Julius and Ethel Rosenberg in the mid nineteen forties. Twenty-seven-year-old Julius and his thirty year old wife Ethel orchestrated a top secret operation to steal information about the atomic bomb from right under the FBI's knows this week. We'll explore how to American communists turned from activists into international spies next week. We'll follow. Oh, the Rosenbergs as their operation comes crashing to the ground. Julius Rosenberg had lived on the Lower East Side since he was a child. He knew it better than anyone the noise. The heat the discrimination. The big businesses flourishing while hardworking families starved New York City was proof that American capitalism had failed. Everyone said America was the land of opportunity on. That's why Julius parents had moved there from the Russian empire, but the reality of life during the great depression, especially for working class Jewish immigrants like the Rosenbergs was far from utopian all Julius. Aw was injustice and inequality while Julius was a student at the City College of New York in the mid nineteen thirties. He worked part time at a pharmacy in Harlem one night. A black man was hit by a bus on the street just outside the shop. Yep. They brought him inside. But in the hour. It took for an ambulance to arrive the man bled to death. If that was the best America could offer Julius wanted to see his other options. Like, many young people in the nineteen thirties. Julia saw a more promising vision of society in his family's homeland Russia at the time serving as the center of power within the Soviet Union. Under communism equality was a promise not a dream, the poor would be lifted up and the rich would be held in check. By the time. He was eighteen in nineteen thirty six Julius was arising leader in C C, N wise, young Communist League. The communist party USA was enjoying a moment in the spotlight in the nineteen thirties membership rose from seven thousand five hundred to fifty five thousand over the course of the decade, this was partially due to disillusionment with capitalism during the great depression and also in response to the rise of fascism in Spain and Germany in the days before McCarthyism, communism wasn't a dirty word and the party attracted droves supporters by fighting for labor laws women's rights and racial equality at a political rally in the winter of nineteen thirty six Julius met another free thinker Ethel Greenglass Ethel was twenty one year old aspiring actress and out of work secretary. She'd been fired from her clerical job the previous year for organizing a worker strike, but it didn't scare her away from activism and fact, it only made her more. Fiery Julius and Ethel were both true. Believers in the communist cause and politics became the passion that bound them together. Julius was bold and fearless at one point in college. He led a raid on a German ocean. Liner, the SS Bremen and tore the Nazi flag from its Jack staff Ethel on the other hand was cautious and practical Julius could never be bothered to do his homework. So at the routinely wrote his college papers for him typing them up on her second hand, Remington typewriter. If it wasn't for Ethel's diligence Julius may not have finished college at all. But he finally graduated with a Bs in electrical engineering in February nineteen thirty nine one semester late and ranked seventy ninth out of eighty five in his class. The next year Julius got a job as a civilian engineer inspecting equipment for the army signal corps in New York. For most electrical engineers, this would have been a boring entry level job, but Julius solve the hidden value. This position offered him access to America's advanced radio radar and sonar technologies. The foundation of the US military's communication systems. Just a year later in December nineteen forty one the United States entered World War Two the Soviet Union and America where allies in the war, but they were still ideological opposites. As two of the world's rising superpowers neither country wanted to see the other surpass them in technological advances, and as two of America's rising communists, Julius and Ethel Rosenberg knew which side they wanted to come out on top. When the war was finally over. Throughout the early nineteen forties, Julius snuck as much information as he could into his briefcase, circuit board diagrams company messages. He didn't know exactly what Russia needed. So he grabbed a little bit of everything with Ethel's knowledge and support he hid the stolen documents on their apartments bookshelf, waiting for an opportunity to pass it along into the right hands to do that the Rosenbergs needed to contact the N cave. E D the Soviet Union's interior ministry and secret police agency, which would later become known as the K G B, but how do two twenty something. New Yorkers get connected with a foreign country's top secret intelligence agency. In nineteen forty one Julius and Ethel began feeling out potential contacts in the young Communist League, and the communist party USA, the attended weekly party meetings across New York City, and at every meeting Julius made it a point to mention in casual conversation that he happened to possess sensitive information that could undermine the American military laughter. Almost two years this method failed to produce any results. The N K V D very rarely touched base with the communist party USA, which was basically an intellectual organization run by politically powerless, left wing condemn IX, a proper nineteen forty Soviet agent. Focus their time on IB league universities. This was where the next generation of American statesman could be found by the end of nineteen forty two when Julius. Was twenty four and Ethel was twenty seven. They had a new plan if the N K V didn't want them. They would build their own spy network who many of Julius friends from college had found jobs in engineering facilities, where top secret US military equipment was turned out on conveyor belts every day. He started by reaching out to his old friend. Joel Barr who also worked with him at the army signal corps, his friend. Morton sobil was at General Electric. William Pearl was at the national advisory committee for 'aeronautics the predecessor to NASA. Other friends ended up at bell laboratories, western electric, and chemical engineering firm called the Celtics corporation and Julius sales. Pitch was always the same. According to his friend, max L chur, Julius would tell each potential recruit that many of their friends were already. I giving secrets to Russia and that together they could bring about a change in the status quo for most. This was all it took by April nineteen forty two Julius and Ethel had amassed half a dozen American engineers who are loyal to the communist cause together. They gathered information about sonar military radio radar and cutting edge avionics from their corporate day jobs. A few months later their work finally caught the kind of attention Julius had been waiting for. In June, nineteen forty two Julius was making his rounds at a communist party meeting when he was introduced to a man named Bernard Schuster Shuster wasn't an N K V agent himself, but he told Julius he knew an agent by the name of Jacob goalless. Codename sound Jacob goalless was a rising star in the N caveat V. He was a Russian immigrant who had made a name for himself in the nineteen twenties by stealing American passports, which the Soviet Union used to forge American travel documents with extreme accuracy by nineteen thirty goalless was recruited by the Soviet Union. As a bona fide spy his job was to recruit American intelligence sources, aka assets who are willing to sell secrets to the Soviets Julius and Ethel Rosenberg or. Exactly, the kind of people. Go loss was looking for Schuster. Saw Julius has value to Russia and told him that he would contact goalless later that month by the end of the summer Bernard. Schuster toll Julius that goalless would meet him in the upper east side within the following month. August nineteen forty two. Julius could feel the August heat pressing down on him. His glasses slid down the sweaty bridge of his nose finally a car stopped along the street and a man with a round face and large lips stepped out. This must be Jacob goalless. There was nothing special about goalless appearance. He looked totally unremarkable. This was by design. According to former chief of disguise of the CIA, John Mendez spies, try to be the man or woman that quote gets on the elevator. And then gets off. And nobody knew they were there. Goalless approached Julius and stopped a few feet away. What happened next is called a recognition signal. According to the international spy museum. This is a simple phrase word or object that is used to identify yourself as an ally agent. We don't know the exact signal used for this conversation. But ex-soviet spy Klaus folks, describe some KGB tactics after the Cold War as a spy he was instructed to wear gloves. But carry a second pair or to hold a tennis ball as he walked down the street on the goal of these recognition signals is to be settled enough to seem normal but overt enough to identify your ally. Once the recognition was confirmed goalless gave Julius a small slip of paper with telephone number in perfect English Colo's told Julius to call him when he needed. To talk Julius nodded goalless got back into his car and left the whole meeting lasted no more than about thirty seconds. But it was the most important thirty seconds of Julius Rosenberg's life. Coming up. We'll hear how the FBI began to tighten news around the Rosenbergs life. Does Julius wait to call him? What does he do next to find out? Listen to the full first episode by subscribing to espionage wherever you listen to podcasts. New episodes come out every Friday.

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#668 - Eleanor Kerrigan

The Church of What's Happening Now

1:54:18 hr | 1 year ago

#668 - Eleanor Kerrigan

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You might know this where you have to have ten people to say, it's what's it called the ten people have time people. So Larry David brought Bill Buckner, and they wouldn't let him know his padlock. So great. I love that. They still razz that guy in Boston think talk about getting set on fire. I thought they were gonna kill that guy. Kill him to this guy. Scott Norwood didn't he miss a field goal for somebody Buffalo Bills, and he fucking tried aside? That's like buffalo. Yeah. They'll come out like. What's his name? When he talked Frankie five angels fall to talk them into commit suicide gonna have a party talion hardy. Take a bad at the end. They put it back, and they slipped in wrist. And that's how they like comedians always complain about like the negative stuff. Get on social media. Like, I remember this year. Like the bears kicker missed like four field or something. He must have had to delete his accounts. We had magin entire city money from Philadelphia because it happened. Yeah. Eagle all they sent him. Van MO thank you for missing that kick. Thousands of dollars people were sending Philadelphia's evil that billboards of that guy in Philly after that kick thank you to the bears for like crazy lit up everything because we stored. I came from a weird neighbor always knew that that's not not weird in the semi too. But it wasn't like the neighborhoods. I saw on TV. It wasn't I with a sheet that I was going up with was not on the Brady bunch never. But I never felt more at home than when I went to Philadelphia. The first time isn't the greatest place in the world. Sorry. It's not good as gray this place at the world itself. Fucked up attitude, they don't give a fuck. First contact with those people was needed gray. When I went to when I went to see the stones, and I didn't know anything about concert. I didn't know anything about music. Really? I didn't know anything about social skills. I know nothing about leaving. My Nate at that. Yeah. I know about social skills. But I didn't know that. There was people that were, but I feel like that all the east coast. Now, you feel that. You know, I loved all that. I love watching old sports things. Oh, yeah. Because they really show you the heart of the country in get the C like I love to see Ohio State in college play. You know, they go crazy that shouldn't the Houston Oilers. When I was a kid when Campbell play anything like that people would bloom white bomb bonds everybody doing it unison, but Philly they would just atoms like animal, and I got into the Sixers once Julius Irving became a sixer. My whole life was affects her and then zero Dawkins we showed Darrell we showed I showed somebody moan. I showed him the Sixers against the Portland trailblazers, CLYDE Traxler. But this is way before Clyde Drexler. This is. Okay. Fuckin-? Did they had a tremendous team and Bill Walton was the center I was fucking. Store member six is gonna lose but Julius Erving slam dunk so bad on the wall and Bill want was trying to call -fensive. Now, I was always a fan of Bill warm because he was epi. And he smoked goal long hair. But when he baby when he went for the -fensive foul, Julius Irving, I lost all respect him. Like that was done. Like just take that you got fucking slam in not only that again that was school waiting. If you watched the move. It wasn't that he slammed on them. It's that he took the rebound. Took the ball all the way down court at looting defenders. And then it was just him Bill to black news chasing. He just picked up that fucking ball. And he goes, you know, a Bill I'm a loser game. But you're gonna remember this lamb for the rest of your life. He just landed his face that below watt land. You actually see Bill walking talent. Wrath. No offense it like. Yeah. Ever watch Julius Erving Julius. I watched he was God. He was my leg. I mean, don't play games and call Julius. Everybody's Jill everything is Julius fucking. He he used to hook people Julius Erving then let them get away with that for years, and I use that it's a little hook with your hand. And you hold the opponent's waste, and if you watch any Julius move his best moves when he step out. Time you so when he put his foot back he would take off. So he learned how to put his foot that and go back and fake. And when you came back he would take off on your he would take off on you as you come in towards him. But how he got around. You was with that hook. Yeah. And he would always hook you push you and in that play you actually see him like fuck in hook and Bill Walton. You always would see his hands to people, and he just grew at the fuck down after that. Bill lost all credibility Mayes fuck reforms building. Lake. Oh, he's good looking at. But he's mine. Fucking eighty two. I rather have an ugly coach who wins. You know what I'm saying? I rather have that any months from Arkansas, just like grandpa months, but that motherfucker know he used to Houston when they had five slamma Jamma the coach look, just like any months, just like grandpa grandpa. Fuck. He's good looking. He's got LeBron. He can't make it to the players. Well, good is he? Lebron pay himself. He's he's he's I don't know. What's going on? Yeah. Lebron successor phenomenal right now too. We're doing. We're doing Sixers or better team. They're both Yali Celtics shot of on twenty two years. So, but I've never say we remember I never say we want to because Boston's a better city than when you go mad. Mad mad, Frankie even throw a ball school. Jewish and I'm sure no. So then say, we didn't do whatever we you. You're gonna motion watching like I. No matter what I say. Who cares? But like now when I on Instagram vic- like we plays, especially of the teams when I was in school like Ostra getting almost teary eyed. We're talking about Julius Julius fighting Larry Bird one of my favorites. Hadn't by the throat. Facts face punches here. Picked him up. It was Larry, and I'm a big Larry Bird fan too. But it was so funny. I was like, oh, my God Chili's is gonna kill him right hand was like Julius. Nobody no, Larry talk. A lot of ships will Larry just put landing was so good. He didn't have nothing to. It was stupid look on his fucking face mega. Look so awkward, but. Yeah. Mazing Birch forty points against you. And he wouldn't change expression. Got a crack shorts were getting shorter. It was very who's my favorite Julius was my favorite top all time. But then it's Larry Bird right after him, Julius Erving. Still around on Twitter on a flight last summer. Oh, so no heart attack. Because I I sat next the Barclay. What I'm saying? To the end. Yeah. I've met him a million last ten minutes. Julius irving. I wouldn't say anything I could just break. Julius and go. Listen. I went to your fucking converse clinic at Fordham university nineteen seventy five when he got to say about that when you showed up what you kidding them say these bans, and you gotta call all wait not line like little fucking morons. That's the only time. I wait on line. There's a kid that yet when Jewish shitty converse sneaker, Julius when Julius I sign with the Sixers. He also signed they designed the sneaker from and it was called a limousine for the feet. And he if you bought a pale in his limits Necas were. Converse would ten ninety nine eleven ninety. Yeah. Ten dollars. If you get them down the Lancy street the Jews if you went out of. And the first customer that day, you get them and the checks and Chinatown to go for the chance or the best. They'll come into the best. But then there was coach on if you will coach congress, you might as well put punching bag on your head 'cause you were gonna get smacked fifty times. It was a big difference. There was a dollar became coach converse and regular converse. Chuck taylors. So have you mothering go the extra dollar? Let me tell you. It's you might as well these people that get cyber bullied that's nothing compared to the beaten. You were going to get. That's got the big you didn't show. Let's throw dollars could only show up with converse. PF lies was second and cats came in a tight third. Larry if you bought your sneakers panty, pride if you're sneaky, slipping slide, take him back the panty pride. We used to sneakers Godkin supermarket kids come out with new sneakers have been ten minutes. They'd be sitting in the corner. Crying taking the sneakers off draw. Shitty sneak torment, especially in this big neighborhoods fortieth up there with my godmother those kids were poor. But they made sure they had Chuck Taylors because nothing is being poor. But if you had Chuck Taylors, at least you can step on, and they would take him home every night, those poor kids, and they would they take that same to I brush their teeth with and they would scrape the bubble gum and this shit. This nigga, though, sneakers immaculate different tooth and did not Puerto Rican hung out with had one shell pro. I hung out with a Puerto Rican families so poor. They had one to push for the family. Everybody came in. Steals. It was like a deli pick a number. On let me get you perceive. The kid Ricky would sneaky toothbrush and put like turpentine on them. And then after that, you took white shoe polish. I only white fuck and sneaker. That's right. Like these kids were so poor like I had taken life for granted. I get dirty. My momma throw Moi by me. Pass news crazy. We didn't Daniels. The Irish kids are fortieth St. dose. Necas lasted you a year. Yeah. You make sure because you wash our sneakers some those kids if if it would rain those kids as they would just take this Necas around Bedford that was savage is because sneakers meant everything everything everything to them. And then when the sneaker died tied it together, and you threw it up in the end how to get on the court. So you would have twenty sneakers on that court as you were growing up on the electrical cord van once a year. The fucked him guy from PS. Come with his gas mask on fuck in gloves, and he'd have to take all the sneakers down. I mean, just a process that you did only judge by you sneaking every Mendoza dealing. They would. No what that's what white kids. They came up with rumors. I thought sneakers on the line just made it it was a drug dealer money were no. Kick throw away my sneakers on with nobody take him. That was the thing. People wear those Chuck's till they had holes in them, totally. Yeah. Some people will Chuck Taylors today fifty year olds and above. I guarantee the feta fine. Because all they was with that cushion you put up Taylor's on today. And you feel the flip indifference Jesus Christ a glass could go through like a glass these bear fan. I cop kit will end up way where I love my Dita shout. Now, those you claim a little bit soft scrub to my Mike, my wife Puerto Ricans these up the time, I got the I got the walk around. One the stage wants absolute show, shoes and stage danger d this have my regular d this. They stink like fuckin-. And you always say that how. What I was. I was a calm. I was I started off as a kid guy when I came from Cuba, then I want to PF wise, and then I was chomping PF. Flies was liar by teen. Seventy seventy one seventy two PF lies made you run hire. And jump vast. That's hilarious. That was their slogan. We had the pump for the pump came late payment like later on when you pump them up, and you thought you a bad all the white running and getting swatted down kits maze. May's story than I say on stage. I tried it into a joke years later. PF wa I was never a fast kit. Okay. I was quick. But in long distance you catch me. Okay. All right. So the marketing tool behind PFI's was that make do jump high and they show a kid by jumping offense without touching it. And then they say my child may showing Puerto Rican kid getting chased by cops. Finally, the Puerto Ricans had gone and giving up PF flies. Make you jump high and run fast guy got away. I went home and got the fuck in PF, I begged my mother gave me the PF lies. But then I had to put them to the test. Okay. How did you put them to the test you tortured civic ju on the buck? His name was Mr. MARTINI. Haywood chase you chases for blocks chases for black and all that clothing in the black saw or whatever thought it was curls or flat eating eating. You only have a little. And he wore the thing. He was the typical slum Lord, Mike what they from Lord. He lived three house. He owned three houses that were next to each other. He looks basement how the middle one. So you weren't even allowed there were metal bars with those fears sticking out little ch- Chang's like that. And like we might get you wouldn't even allow to talk in front of his half. All I hate people like that you had a lot of he will come out and go. Hey, go down a fucking block of you guys wanna talk. So the first time we did that to me even at that age. I was like you don't own this. I was Cuban. I was trying to be American. I thought I knew all the American rules to free country told us that every guy right off the bat to free country. He goes in fucking free you spec. Motherfucking fucking blocks on my expect motherfucker really free. Okay. Like, I may and mild a little dirty guys started on the slow torture chamber eggs to his building. We asked everybody toilet paper. If we kill the rat. We talk the rat and the fucking thing he come up with the Rattlers hand and one of these days, I'm gonna catch when he little motherfuckers, and I'm gonna eat for lunch and all this shit. He would fuck and he was tough. But Mr Martinez, reputation, Mr Martinez caught you eat fuck you that that kill you. So all the kids you were scattered this. So we would set him up with traps. We would fuck with him with traps. Oh, yeah. Like if he pass it passed a corner you draw fuck and stick Adam. I mean, we had Mr Martinez tortured as cranes then other kids from the black would come on. And I would make gone front of Mr Martinez. Like a dare. Yeah. Go. Let's go play stoop ball for Mr Martinez. That's when you slam the ball off the step. My faith that no stoop ball is. When you hit the ball off, the stand out got the catch it for a single a double. So we play stoop born his fucking mind. He would come on say what I just tell you mother fuckers. So my mother had and Legua, and this other thing Legua is the thing that you put by the door you supposed to put candies in and Sova coins pennies for like lock. So I would take a handful change those days those little poor white kids they'd kill him on the fuck afford Korda 'cause it was a soda for. So I would tell them guys you guys wanna make a corner, and they would go yet and throw the caught up in Mr Martinez basement, and they would know that you weren't allowed and they would jump the. The kids would come back beat up. I love you motherfucker. You trap me Mr. much. Ship. Just take new people called quarter over the Meccan jump over. And then one day. Like, I told you Mr. MARTINI for about two years. It was like a slow Sabas every in jersey tool five west ADHD. Okay. We were to five you had to be like one ninety eight he was on the right hand side. And we run the left hand side going towards central park in dog. We would just hang across his house and say shit. So you we couldn't hang in front of your house. Right. So now, we cross the street and that territory in front of his house on the street. We created that game that's like pool, but only play coins and you play and you have to go through circles number one three. Five and what you did box you remove the circle Chad box, and he didn't like that either. And then there was once day in the summer where the trees will get refilled with dirt balls Schiphol's, no dirt ball. So it would be balls that would just made a dirt dirt that was compressed. And they would plant new trees and put those balls around lets you draw them people, and they just blow up it would just be dirt. When you got hit with it that to me that day was Mr. MARTINI daily like national Donut day national secretaries day whenever those trees got filled up. You knew God side that you were going to combine this the MARTINI at some point that amazing. But we started bombarding them with the fuck and dirt balls. I little by little Papa Pab we'd run away, and he chases and then one winter I remember hitting him with like a fuck in like a Kennedy assassination snowballs like for the together. And he got hit with snowballs. From every fucking direction. But I had my PF lies on. I knew I could get away with them. And Iran, this motherfucker all the way the Spanish Harlem, eighth street all down to Broadway. And then after like, maybe ninetieth street, we started walked it. And it was getting dark out. Like, this is how he's still falling your your this is how long was we started tortured him when it was daylight. And we ran so far and so long when we come back on Broadway. It was already starting to get dark on never forget this. Yeah. It was Christmas time and these kids think playing fortnight's outta be like eight of us or seven of us that alluded Mr. MARTINI. And at that time, we weren't giving each other high fives. Just walk him back on FOX Cam. We got him on the corner radiate street there was a photography store. And write this guy so Christmas trees, I will never forget this. And we'll walk and walk and walk in and has bought we're gonna make the left onto eighth street. The walk to our perspective building something made me. Look I saw the tree jiggle. And I looked at the tree and I saw Cheney's hand Mr Martinez hand put his hand to the tree opened up. His gotcha. We all ran fucking home that. Sully was asking me couple of weeks ago. Always the like when I look at mercy now come out of a Christmas trees gotta be fried with the fuck he was dressed in the Blackley chases. And I still remember hit my building running up the stairs. I didn't have time to take the elevator. I didn't stop it three. Does. I knew that. There was no that staircase on the other side of the soul every had stat Tuesday cases. So I ran up the sixth floor hit the staircase and got up at three and went to my house unsafe ain't never thought to me again. But that day I knew Mr Martinez was gonna kill one of us. Like, I knew it. We poking nece six or five six seven that was what you did back in the day. You stay stay people. We had something called shit bowls. I think they're called gingko balls for real. But I I used to mess with Bobby lane. This was part of the reason he got mad at me. But they fall out a tree and they smell like shit. My mom was like if you go over there. Just burn your clothes. Don't even come home like because it's stay on you. So one day I was out there and these agencies were picking it up. And I'm like, what are you doing with that? And she goes, oh, we make a soup. I so what the fuck are putting Schiphol's in their food like freak me out. So when I met Bobby Lee, I'm like do each ship Schiphol's, and he got so mad at me. No, nobody. You don't eat Chinese food at all. At all. No, no way. Never not what I saw Faulk that am I oboe friend in high school his dad you still like run Chinatown. I'm not sure what he did. But they used to always take us in the back of the restaurant. No, no mellow do that. I'm kidding. Like that fun crew disrespectful. So no, I'm teasing. But we he was a talion guy and his name was Mario naturally. And we his debt we would go see his dad. I don't know what he did up there. But he had some kind of connection or in. I think it was a loan shark. I'm not sure so we go, and we would go in the back and mareo loved it. He'd be like get this get that. And I just be sitting there like nauseous like ship balls in there. Get me out of here. I hate it. I never ate Chinese only seafood either. I'm like weird though, seafood. No. No, no, no because the fishing my dad used to take my brother's fishing, and then they would cut a fish open. Like, they throw the eyes at me and shit take the teeth out look at his de here's dick. I'm like what fish have Dick's chicken meat pretty much. I didn't eat chicken for a long time. I think that's why I'm skinny I guess I ate peanut butter and jelly. I don't I love the concept of cook. I really love. Yeah. Reshape the concept of you. Don't appreciate good cooking the shit cook. You know, who see what golfing the preparation, the cutting the seasoning, my mom, you know, I. I'm a firm believer like me and him go to place that he gets the same fucking tacos. Every time that the worst tacos I've had because they don't season the fuck and beef Khania Assad that tastes like shit roast beef with lettuce tomato on I could taste that. I don't wanna taste beef with lettuce and tomato on I wanna taste. The fuck me apply. Need is a good the car. Need is a good of chicken typo guy. You know? So, but my point is if I had a cook, I wouldn't eat. Yeah. I tell you the skies and Sailly chicken is the most disgusting. Fucking thing. Look down at. Chicken cutlets had a like dipping them. I don't like flower on my fingers. I'm many things I agree with you. When I what I cooked. If I think if I really serious on lose away, I have to cook. Because I won't as an only ASI food in its natural disgusting stay you want. Just eat the state. You don't wanna know how the cow slot like the whole -tarian? I'm clo-. There's there's weeks and months where I go without it because I'll get nauseous from something. If you came to me till they like today, I went to the doctor, and they did a knee K G, and they found the nor Malley. I mean, the doctor laughing it's nothing serious right want to get test out. But if he came to meet today and said, Joey you can't eat meat. No more. I wouldn't be upset. Okay. The last seven years, I've been training myself more more meat, you know, to get off me because it's just just for this age. Yeah. For this age. I cannot go into Morton's anymore like fifteen years ago when I met him allow. Yeah, I could go into fucking whatever steak offer Joe and look at them and get the sixteen ounce. Prime rib kill the potatoes. Kill the stay dip the bread take half his appetizers. I go upstairs and go to sleep feel something you know, what you can eat at twenty is going to be completely different. When you can a fifty I know now, I can't eat meat after eight o'clock at night. It's gotta be like four ounces something light. If I go to a stakeout so somewhere my wife for date, I decide to eat meat. I eat half the portion, I cut it. Right have. And I give it does nothing. I like more than. Fatty meat like I like steak filet or you go with the other one with the rib eye to get flavor. You need more fat to get the fleet. Yes. I can only do the fillet, and I like a well done like I just wanted to fuck him the the place in New York Luger's fuck. It in Brooklyn. Yeah. Williamsburg when you taste of meat. I know they spent time on this. Later, look. Want anything is I want you. Long time. Yeah. I want your distinct flavor in this state. Yeah. You know, I want I could tell one eight a piece of meat that you didn't put no f you know. I don't chicken same thing. You know this. Do the chicken to give it that of examined for examples? A hard thing to cook. Cooked at one tastes like, dick. It's the sauce you make with the salmon to deviate that flavor. He's I'm saying I like I like. I like San, but I just can't eat a bagel walk sandwich. I need the cream cheese. I need some the tame that fishy. This yet like short fish when you hit the dark spots. It's a Fisher. That's so gross hearing that you know, you have to when you fish and meat all that stuff, especially chicken like, I don't wanna see them. And I saw chicken go from the whole process. I'm saying the rea- got come on hold them. They take the fucking fell over at furry over it chop, the head off milk it then that night that you're eating for dinner. And I would go I'm not eating that. I don't give up. I was telling my wife the day about something. I got I pray for my daughter every day from my mother's soul. Because I can't believe I put my mother through what I put it through. We have an issue at the house right now the baby we went to some other people's house on Saturday. And they told us when their daughter was three she was the Queen of sushi now, she won't even eat sushi. When mercy was to she would eat the black part of the salmon the bottom and eat it like an chew on it black beans, white rice, pork. Now. She six that's a dull attitude, it's either chicken. Gets or spaghetti every night sheets. More spaghetti fucking Guinea. I'd never seen a kid. Eat more thought. My daughter loves spaghetti every night spaghetti spaghetti spaghetti spaghetti. I told you I said, listen, man, you're growing you're going to karate swimming you need protein. So we gotta start fucking it up. You better start talking. Sneak it in some mind argument, the house Monday her in the mother one. Going to bed at seven. Want to do is fight with Terry. My wife came into that room. And she goes she's in bed seven o'clock at my wife was so busy with for a ride because I got to leave. And I went in there like at seven thirty I go what's up, she she wouldn't even look at me. She was just staring straight ahead. 'cause my mother Terry pulled the my mother yet. Young get nine go to bed though, food no dead. And I'm way the Donut because we stopped and got don't attempt to karate. So my wife into away the Donut that was an argument that was yelling screaming he got to stick to it, man. Otherwise, I told Terry when I used to do at that time when I was six ready. I had money tobacco. Yeah. So one day, I was looking out the window. And I saw this company called chicken though, light and one day me, and my friends there was a blimpy base. That was a pizza pice down the block was check in place. But I just came from q. I had never smelled anything like that. You could slide chicken up the block. Thank you smell more at one day. I went to that chicken place. I must've been about five and I walked in there, and I got three piece chicken, and it was delicious it the fucking French fries. The Kurt the curly flies cut Greco ankle kind. They give you a little package jelly and ice dip, the French fries. Job dip, the French. Right. And then they give you a bun, and I will eat the bond. So when my mother would cook those up and tremendous Cuban meals, I will look at my mother and go I'm not eating and she'll go find going your room, you're punish and she'd be out there. Getting ready to go to Khabar shit a couple of friends be over. And next thing. You know, you hear Bing Bong. My mother and her friends and who's that at the dawn, I go. It's for me right now. I mom. Yes. I would and hose who who is it. And I'd say chicken delight don't cook tonight because I was just learning how to speak English. I thought it was cool. So look at my mom and go don't cook tonight quad chicken delight, and I would get the chicken, and I would walk faster with a Tahitian treat. They had delivered to Asian treat the soda all. It was like a fruit punch and a can. And I will walk past my mother, and I can hear my heart. My mother's heart. Just going. Like, I just cooked you a tradition of human dinner. I'll never forget the first time she came in this year. Like is she's like you miserable son of a bitch. Now, I know I father died to get away from you. Because you eat that shit. Look at you die. You went all the first time the doors, but on the floor. She did. Spit on the whole day her Buddha. How dare you eat that chicken when I cook the beautiful meal. So she I got to the point who paid for me because I it was like four dollars dollar. Oh, yeah. I had that guy over four nights a week. My mother got. Then she just stopped. She goes, I'm not gonna compete with this shit should crave Cuban food. Now, I will eat it every meal. I don't know. But you don't change your taste buds change. I have nephews. He didn't eat anything. I'm telling you nothing. He skin and bones. This kid he hated every single thing. He would go to the bathroom. It will come out white. He had nothing in him. It was the weirdest. You're like you gotta eat. And finally like he's obsessed with my other nephew little Jimmy who plays for the Minnesota Twins, very exciting. But he he's obsessed with him because he's a baseball player, and he's big and he's athletic. You know? So Jimmy was like, well, if you're not gonna eat like he would have to mess with them and other my other nephew Brandon to he wouldn't eat either. So Jimmy they lie to him and tell him that chicken, pork 'cause he won't eat chicken because he got sick on chicken nuggets. So they're like, no, it's pork. And he's like all right and eats it, but you have to lie to these kids. Get the eat. We have to face time with little Jimmy to get them to to get Conrad the crazy ship now he's getting better. He's seven now. So. It's a little bit better. I was prompted because I wanted to the other side of the coin was I wanted to be American. Yeah. So I taught by the more American food. I ate I'd become American dogs on the corner. Sad. Brent? I will help to those fucking. I love when I was a kid not ashamed to admit Swanson's TV Dennis saying the salves. Barry state, my mom used to get. So. In the middle. I could eat twenty of those things, and then the superhero line came out with so mad at me for that still makes right, man. Yeah. Chicken wasn't bad. So salty you could. Punish shoulders, go up. You're like, ugh. Something's happening starts caving in. Now fucking by it shouldn't forty a while get like chicken potpie chicken Popeye mother that is gross at but the butcher my mos- able they make them fresh. And it's delicious would give them imprison can't fake shit. Our lead the cop off the show and the chicken the carrots peas and that fucking God sauce. Fuck you. I'm not eating that shit. Don't know what the sauce. Let guys it's it's as butcher and they make a beautiful they make a great. It's phenomenal. I don't know like chicken Alfred almost in the pastry. Pay what carrot of always licensed day one? This is why shocks me about Chinese Ashby. I can't live without Chinese. That's amazing. I love it. And this should out here is fucking God. Awful godawful Andrew as a new one off to tell you about. That's the one. It's the garlic fried rice chicken, and the and the Chinese filet Mignon Chinese role is not good dumpling in that bad. The spare ribs not good. I loved it. As all about food. Couple of things that good day. You've got to watch cheap. That's it. Listen, people don't eat pork out here. So. Brisket all that shit. Don't hold out here. It doesn't think about Chinese food. My sister used to order it all the time. Drove me crazy. It was a cold one time talk. Okay. So you take it out. I go what's in the middle. She's like, it's pork. But it was like a Little Brown. And then for some reason read on. Fuck is told genius over here. He would go to Koreatown amongst walk in. Everybody's looking for a cat with a missing cats. Right. He's like the dumpling chain going shit donate to dumplings unless you even the planes, something even the place. I what it is hot dog the meat inside the dumpling Chinese. It's whatever they don't use. We've got an eyeball. We gotta chicken. Lizard spied. We throw it in there with some fucking chicken. And they tell you whatever the fuck they want. I can't I can't because when we would be in the back of that restaurant with my ex's father. I'd be like holy shit there. I don't think there was a sink to wash hands. I don't. There was chickens running around. I got arrested hats running around arrested one time one time I was getting transferred. For Hackensack to where I got Bergen county jail to go. Get a rain at some other. Jim. And I had need. Okay. Meet. And I was gentlemen, when I got arrested. No, no big deal. Get my name, we talked and the cop. I was transferring me I'm in the back of the car, and I'm Mike listen, man, you're gonna take me into this jail. And they put me in the south. There's not gonna be any food. I gotta be honest haven't eaten since like fucking five o'clock. It's like nine o'clock on or one o'clock. I had the late. Yeah. Yeah. I was like I was starting to lose a little bit. I mean favorite willing drive pass chance dragging than you mind. If I stop in that my I will they want felonies misdemeanors, possession of stolen prop up weapons. Do breaking. You know? That's it. The Cossack Chan's. I it's a best Chinese restaurant. Those story a couple years ago. Detectives bureau there was a safecracker and he was cracking safes. He was going all around the area. And we had good information that he did rest that he was doing. He was doing restaurant. So he goes under derives, the mations we figured chance was going to be next. So we sat in the restaurant one night. And we waited too close when they turn off the lights we had a turn the lights on after fifteen minutes because the Rach was so man, I can't. And you know, what till this day is still eat could still eat make believe I don't know what I'm talking because it's so good. If it somebody's Canada, tasted tears, and the salt and the taste was loved. Yeah. You get warm. You for it can shit. All you know, you pray for the best at these places. And you try to listen, I would never pull port somewhere. There's just. This food that if you eat out. Sandwich deserve to get food poisoning. You deserve to what's coming that stuff. I won't eat. I look at the people I refused. Eight like, I just refuse picky as you see food. You gotta be careful with it. So you're gonna eat fast complaints joint. You're gonna get fucking sick. People order at diner, Jack in the box or diner piece of salmon. You're gonna get sick. You're gonna get fucking sick. You know? What's the one? What's the one? My mom likes. What I'll Medine. No. It's some kind of. It's the bottom of the is the worst kind to eat cod. That's not the word. I forget some fishy. Always order. The everywhere we go. That's the worst a vacuum cleaner fish the bottom. Feeder thank call. It was not travel. That's what single. Cinco would fish, really slim. And can't know we really as never thinking about if you're if you're a human you really sit there and say, what am I really at groper at all levels. At all levels. Whether it's beef how it was kept. You know, when they did that movie about the McDonald's chain. Oh, yeah. They tested. I remember reading about it years later that when they test a hamburger Patty from one of those fatty foods joints. There's a percentage fee fecal matter in that place. That's well known if you don't know that going in your fucking idiot. Yeah. You know that who know what's going in? You know, when I read that whole thing about I go there. I'm going there to hurt. My what I heard about the whole thing about Vegas. I read about this thirty years ago. We'll let the poor cost. One of father was a butcher. Okay. Okay. Poor cost. Waddles? Father was a butcher. Poor kosta. Lonzo was causes. We call again beano and his son ball turned out to be the boss. John Gotti shot. It was common knowledge in one of the books. They wrote to host scam. How in the fifties? They got after Bugsy opened up. They cut a deal with the national bushes association. Whatever New York, whatever you meet is on shelf more than five days. You don't move. We'll pick it up when we deliver the me, and we'll give you fifty percent dollar. So the store bought that meet what they did meet it with that meat was taken back to a warehouse packet on ice and ship. It's has Vegas once it got the Las Vegas. They cut it out. And they dipped in the chemical I read this whether it's right or wrong. It makes sense. I live cheaper. Pink three more rise. And then that's the stake for one ninety nine right? You go to Vegas and. Takes over who could me fucking. When you go to your room, and you get up in the middle of the night at four, and you go p you get that little runs in a piece of shit comes out, the runs isn't sufficient to make you think you follow me. I know I agree does, but we put so much in so many when I read that early age, I knew you know, when you see those guys in New York City, and your and your swallowing down those those the corner. And you're swallowing down those hot dogs in the corner. You know, look at that water. Yeah. You know, every time I have birdie. Yeah. Time they get the hands dirty take an ice cube throwing the water takes hot water rubbing the hands. And they you know, you have to paint guy. Yeah. I agree. When you go to restaurant, you're judging it by that don't get me wrong, you to get it back clamp, you go to assure legal seafood and eat a bad oysters that Clint that happens. But you know, the higher percentages. You know, like the Dan come they inspect their shit daily? They pay a guy and an hour to open up each jump alleman. Check them out. Look at the lapses may show elapsed algae shell did you ever the knots in New York? I haven't been in New York in a while. So I don't know if they ever I love the smell of it. But I've never eaten them. Stay still have them. I was just there three weeks ago. They still have yourself a question. It's a great. That's I don't know. I love hot nuts. Normally kidding. I don't I don't get hot. Thing you have to look at the animal you dealing with. Exactly you have to decide. Yeah. Lucky for me. I got food poisoning a couple years ago. And I can't even blame it on them. But a twenty four hour food virus thing what what who do you blame that? What do you mean? Like if you got sick from a restaurant, I ate there twenty times. I never got sick before. The taco stand by the haha across town next to the sushi place that play and sushi, for example when I got back. The biggest place was the more Weight Watchers on mentor across the burger place. What's the down stout across from stout on the second floor was all you can eat sushi in wheels. And all those guys come up and go great. And I'll never forget going up the first time and gone. I'm not eating shit. That's not great was a poor fucking comic. And I was like I'm not eating shit. I was that smart got backing the cop and we're right back to Wendy's. And got my nine nine cents junior burger squad ball Chevy for the five dollars. It was worth that's up and sushi place. They had sushi. Wait, not there for five minutes. That's where it ends with me. When I go to a restaurant just went to where I'm not gonna mention the man three weeks ago. Why sent the oughta back, you know, why? Because it's flu season. You got my dishing your fucking hand. And you stop and start talking for another way to and the conversation. Here's my food. We'll send it back talking on my food for ten minutes. He just froze next time somebody's food and never bring it to the table. Then have the conversation later, they had a two minute conversation with my food. You're saying go get table, whatever you turn your head. But if you it was a white, dude. Trying to be king. Fuck that. I'm a food server long and kept talking to the guy, and I was told her. You talked to my fuck and clamps fucking minutes. Go bring miss Lewis procedures looked at me. And she knew not to say word because I would've won with the fuck and managing my food with him. Don't you don't have to talk to nobody. Yeah. Brimmer food table. Just agree. Stop paying top things. I look I used to go to a restaurant Cuban place. I love Cuban food. I stopped going. My the windows with Derry. I know he's. About you can't wipe the windows where the doors that you place. Yeah. It's that's it shouldn't look like a shack. That's a detail that cannot be missed by a bus boy, an employee a bartender a waiter that certain things that cannot be missed. Yeah. That I will fire you one because that's detail that Fatah detail. I cannot not one person that you have working in. This establishment can notice that these windows with thirty. I can't do business. I love the that's it you have nine because not one person took a look and took initiative to get newspaper and piece of windex and just go like this wipe the fucking thing that it's seconds. It takes a second. So when you go into a customer, and I'm gonna tell you some nine attack. Ten kitchens you go in a not going to be a ratings. No, especially why you're moving shoving Naef what let's be honest. You know, many times I've dropped a piece of fucking steak on the floor. And I got ten cats. I'll pick them up. Never come into your house. Sometimes if found the four for a second, I sister. Meanwhile, you blew some guy in Minneapolis. You not just say we have all VM perspective here of what? Yeah. When you go to most restaurants and actions shit's going to happen. You know, a piece of has gonna fall out of somebody's I understand all that shit. There's certain things that I don't understand. Yeah. That's what the table like feel shit on the tape. We gotta go. Yeah. We gotta we gotta go feel on the table. Not one ears. Yeah. Look at the tally us efficient attack from the candidate. They've been using all day. Get. So I understand like what you eat anything. You know, what if I'm picking the lettuce? I'm picking my no fucking lettuce jar. It's all the same. I literally this is why you have to think to yourself that at every level you're eating something. That's fucked up really sit down and think about it. You won't eat it all you'll become balance. I'm claws all over you. Close ski a lot of shit. We call it from these same. Yeah. Skis gave out I thought can food. Nice key one. I told I told me when I first moved in your broke comic that wasn't a week that and go to what's the Arab place on our on Hollywood Boulevard. I'll be I'll be here. I'll be gone. For sure whatever. Yeah. It was. Ali was Ali all the place. And he goes there though, I leave. Allie was. Z what kind of food is it Mediterranean? Editorship to die for like I used to go to three times a week. Josh Wolff fucking Mitch Hedberg cheap gaur gaur Hollywood Boulevard if you make a left on Hollywood guy. What's in disgusting strip? I would never go in. That would never let them give me the HAMAs the HAMAs like bay like is beige. It's fucking discussed all that shit. Like that stuff there. You'll die. Even oughta like if you get that shit. That's bad. Tell calls it ISIS. Peanut butter. Yes. That's what it is. It's disgusting. It's fucking disgusting to even think that like my name, but you get a smack in the hand of you've been brought up already. I've, you know, got guacamole 'til I moved to California. Never in my life seen an awful Cottam Philadelphia Cubans grow real because you guys out here in Miami in Florida, you get the magic Mexican avocados. Go to Miami. That's only ever coddle on my God. A little sliced avocado Turkey a Swiss sandwich. Mayo and some tomato. Good googly Moog. Now, really, I I've never seen it. I drove last place today. Back the heart. Doctor the place that makes that sandwich. I'm fucking Howard boulevard that you love. Oh, Connell, Turkey and Swiss rice tomatoes. Shredded lettuce Turkey Turkey. Really? I know I'm telling you. I'm the worst is for brethren. For brethren fruit. Like, sometimes eg like a I got back into eggs took that was out of that for ten years. I'll just like scramble in a, you know, go toast. No it if I'm at my mom's she'll usually throw in toast or bagels bacon. No. Unless my mom makes it 'cause I if you go to a restaurant you order bacon. They usually microwave it fuck and discussing microwave it becomes robbery. So I got turned off about ten years ago. Usually a power bar skidding. I love pasta eight a lot of pasta. And I'll usually put like now I'm trying to put vegetables more the past year because I realized there was an entire year. One in eat anything green. 'cause I'm terrible. I'm terrible at that. Like, all you peanut butter and jelly. I'll eat peanut butter and jelly on crackers elite like chicken baked chicken and cut it up. And then now throw vegetables on it. But before I've just used to eat that with pasta by like, no green at spaghetti sauce. Like, sometimes marinara certain ones. I don't make it at was on you. If I make it at my mom makes it eight it got forbid. I learn how to make it like she does and make it for myself Daytona tally restaurant. Get chicken parm. I'll get pasta marinara with chicken or chicken out Frago. I like that one. Sometimes scabby dumb, right though. I like hamburgers cheeseburgers stakes. Yeah. Yeah. Steak and potato a really really cheap date. Just in case anybody's look chief. No, no, seafood too young. Just you know, my dad would bring the fish home and put it in its drain bore Lakers. Just gross. It always made me sick. I feel like I put fish and bees together because I was always getting stunned by be while they were fishing because I was grossed out. So I would like wander off and I get around. Really, thanks. I am a little smoke. I'm a little message. Now, let's get away from the beef and chicken. There's nothing else about what's really really the ocean grilled cheese. I like grilled cheese, which really really really in the ocean. Yeah. Didn't they do a test on the beach, and Santa Monica, and there was like fucking drugs that needle. Settles common all kinds of shit. You know, so you have this wildlife. I mean, I know what covered was sixty percent water or whatever never been in the water out. Here. Have you in the beach? I don't do it jersey. I'll do it all day while why you glow in the dark. Because you slammed the other jersey show radioactive shit, the mess issue. How long did you work at the store before you decide to come up on stage twelve years and throughout that time? It wasn't that you wanted to stand up nothing as why Mitzi teen I got along. So well because I don't want stay time. I wasn't. I didn't go help her for something in return. You remember when all the mooks used to show up at her house minutes? Let me help you, you know, with this today only one it was staged time. Some of them were Robin her. I'm not gonna mention any names. But they were there all the time using her phone call in New York, you know, or just taking her food looking for jewelry like to fuck swims woman's like sick. But so she trusted me because I don't want anything from her like stage time, so after Freddie died as when everything kinda went haywire in my head. And I was like what are you doing? So it was kind of like, this is your life moment. And Freddie, always was like you should be doing stand up. We could go on the road together. And I'm like you just misery loves company. I'd always throw back in his face. And then after he pass I I told Mitzi sent him to do this one woman show. She's like, oh, Honey, great do it in the belly room. You know? So I did and Andrew came to see it. And he was like doing stand up stupid. And I'm like, no, no, no. This is a woman show and talk about my family. I'm gonna tell these crazy stories about south Philly like always joke about south. Philly's like Flint Michigan, but we didn't complain about the water. We just kept training it. So that's why we're a little off. You know what I mean? Like, I would tell crazy stories about my friends and stuff, and he was like, no it stand up, and then he took me on the road with them. And then I got booed off the stage that was pretty bad in New York. And he Andrew fired me for like a year. Because he was like you got to see if you're really serious about this like a lot of people get into it. And they think oh, it's easy. Everybody does Santa. Well, you gotta do is get a podcast, and you know, then they'll give stage time on how it works. You really gotta be dedicated to it and Andrew one at the CFO is like just fucking around or really into this. And then I will go on stage every night anywhere. I could for low a little over a year. And then he had me re showcase if you will in Vegas. You told you could wanna wrote in the mall where you angry with them. Did you see where he was coming from idea because in New York it was so bad when they me off the stage. So that when I'm I'm telling you we were at the Westbury music their theater, so it's in the round. So people are hanging you from the back the front the side. I'm sweating so bad like my half. Ross slid down look like at tumors on my stomach like it was brutal. And I'm trying to get lines out. Nothing's happened there. Bill. Fuck you. Philly stink. Philly. Bubba just because I said I'm from Philly. You know, what I mean to and I remember catching is what my sister Karen who drove two and a half hours to come. See me do stand up, you know, three months into stand up pretty much. I'm in front of all these people and she was all excited. And I remember locking is with her. And she looked at me. Like, what do you wanna do a fight this whole fucking room? I'll fight everybody on here. And we look exactly like. For ten years apart. So I remember being like aren't my sister's here calm down just figures out wrap it up. I think I did five or six minutes, even though they were booing the whole block in time. I got off an Andrew was like fuck them. I'm not going on. I saw how hurt he got. Like, he's like, that's my family. You just hurt my family. You don't know who she is to me. So he wasn't going to go on. And then he went on and beat the shit out of that crowd. He had the best that I've ever seen them have. And I went upstairs and cried for a little bit. And then came down and watched him and people in the audience were like, oh, we just wanted to, you know, see Andrew we weren't. We didn't really care about you. Sorry about the booing. And I'm like sorry. Fucking kill you like, you know, idea with that did to me. But all that it was propel me because now piss me off you saying I'm not good enough or whatever begin. And I couldn't handle it Andrews. Appears all absolutely Joe, ROY. Purest comet, and I gotta tell you some as much of a piece of shit. I am I'm a purist. When it come fucking Lutely, if I had to speak my mind about what I really think of comedy a lot of people would not be. Okay. I don't like a lot of nonsense. It goes on. And there's a lot more power to them. I was always trying to strive to be fucking comedian. So I know when somebody's faking the fuck even have to watch this set. When somebody comes to me and says I've been doing stand up for four years, and that listen, I heard the story thousand times was that story. Don't come on to me bullshit. Yeah. I'll hear about you. If you're real we'll hear it here. That's right. Because all the years at the comedy store. My love and appreciation grew fouls times bigger than ever. Like, I that's why I would say I can't be at not comic fucking waitress. I'm not one of you people. Like, I thought you had to have this as a kid. I wanna be a stand up. You know what I mean? Like every comic I talked to that. I loved every comic that was genuine and stood out. You know, the Judy goals Dom. I rare is the Joe dias is Joe Rogan's all these guys that came through that Brian Holtzman that that really got Doug Stanhope. Like, you watch them you like mesmerized and thousands of comics in between them, but they didn't stand out there. Just people. I know from the comedy store, you know, they were trying to milk it if you will. So the ins and outs of comedy I knew. Think I wanted it. Now, I don't know what I'd do without which is why it's twelve years. Now, I'm twelve and twelve isn't that crazy twenty four and you watched it watch, bro. Right jokes. They want want Radebe I want so many people come in with heat. Yeah. Disappeared like people just disaffection p they didn't even exist. There's so many of that we watched my first ex was a booking agent. So we watched I went on the road with Chris rock watched them at the store when he was doing bring the pain. We'll watch them at the store do it. Then we went to we're bearish represent him. And he was building it there. So I hung out with Billy for the weekend. You know and watched Chris and then in jersey rascals, I watched him build that that amazing one of my favorite specials. Stephanie in the top five bring the pain, Chris rock. Sure. When you what I'm telling you. I watched him bomb and not bomb. Take a joke. Build a joke fix Joe repair. Whatever word you wanna use like it was phenomenal. Like that. Like, Mitzi, always says comedy stores college, and she would say, well, I went to the best college Honey because I twelve years I got to study that I mean, I should be a brain surgeon twelve years, but I was I had to go and double check everything. So I check all my prices online club is fuck want me. And I went on the improv website. I went to click on about two months ago, and I was high. I just I was nine I was killing time. You know, I was going through the comics that were going there, and I found out I see all these Instagram all you to people and it's like. I get to check it to them to check. But while come from hurt. You doesn't hurt me doesn't hurt me? At all doesn't hurt. My business doesn't interfere with me. I feel for them. Because I know what they're about to go through. You know, all this shit is great until something like that bad happens. And then you think about all the shit. You could've done saw McGregor holding onto his hand copied. He wasn't thinking about the check. He was thinking about all the time. You wasted a not working what he should have been working on when I shot. My Netflix special ride home. I knew what the recipe was. I wasn't doing. And now, I'm sticking to it. And that's why I am doing what I'm doing today. But. I saw something years ago. I saw comic that was young handsome had all the tools to be comic. And he was a great writer. And he got good at certain club. Forget this got very good in certain club. And that was a hot club at the time. So since the guy spent a lot of money with Gersh, you know, it's like if I give you if I all of you fucking ten comics at that time Gersh at Rogan and Wendy Liebman slam. The hot boutique aims back gauges back then and he gave them a lot of business. So one day he raises hand and this could have been doing comedy who years to is. I'll never forget still going to the club. And the guy looking at me, and like size may up, and I look at those guys and I go. You know, you might if I can have a good set last night at the store every night you up a lie. I know she never even thought of you motherfucker. And I remember doing to one ninety gather like me being on the column and listen to talk and just Bank just been doing this two years. Look what the things I'm doing already. And I'm sitting he's telling himself sitting bull into this. I know you kill the night. Dave attell told you this. Patted you on the bed because they're also fucking what drinks brought the coke. We drove to the gig. And the twelve gig the whole thing, you know, I go up there, and that about three months later here at this manager has set up showcases for this fucking stiff in that way. And the back of my mind, I wasn't wishing this kidney bad anything bad. I just I just know the deal. Yeah. I've been through long I've been doing it for too long. And I knew that the that time I had been doing comedy if it's twenty seven years and this had to happen at the store. I was still doing blow. So we had to be about two thousand five and I'll never forget this year. I quit. I will never ever forget this. I remember was a Sunday night. I was hosting and my top agency. A today wasn't assistant Gersh. Yes. Blake. Back. Blake nap lake was set the chicks assistant, and it was too big guys at. Yeah. The wig and the blonde one that was something that chick that was fucking all the black comics, not gonna mention no names, late a minute. There's to this chick go on the road black guys up and then bring 'em back. Put him on freaky Monday one condition that they would sleep the house. You you at my couch and the middle every black guy said that got up, and she was hiring dick polish that motherfucker and nothing about this charge press charges, but one black dude fell in love with him without that bring roses, and they put a restraining order on him. Then they made her live agent somewhere. She sucked so much got rid of her comic division. But Matt Blake was the assistant. Then my top agent today. Just to let you people know what happens in twenty years that assistant you talk to when you first moved away. Talaih twenty years from now he's gonna run a comic division. So he runs the cabinet division at my agencies the top guy. So I know he's a map play. Oh, shoot. A what I'm doing? I know what? I messed up the Gersh still because got chevelle. That's a man. That keeps a man. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. You had cars that he fought when the wig. Yeah, I've call those Rogan the wig and ex used to really might type. No, no, you're talking about the wig from ICM. No. That's a different way. Then there's a guy that I see a guy the guy Gersh doesn't wear a week. I just say he has call them to his face everywhere. Yeah. He called Rogan up until Rogan to apologize to Carlos. He I remember told to go fuck fired of David towel fire with everybody else fired because of the Rogan comment and David tell stuck with them. So thank you, Dave Chapelle. So that's the only reason why. But this two wigs is that wig the other way. So what are we talking about? So I'm at the comedy storm hosting on the Sunday night. I'm mind my own business. I'm not bothering nobody admits he's okay. Let's he gets that about nine thirty eight thirty. She walks into a chair. And I go over with. It's Bill fat baby. And she stabbed me and makes the air come on, man. And I go to mid some host in the second half. And she goes, absolutely. And all of a sudden Blake the club owner, the he was the pseudo club owner right club right told her, but he was the only really general manager and the comic that he thought, you know, was God on ice that I look through when I was like this guy's got the balls of girl. Cave. Like, I didn't wish him any. I didn't wish him no bad feelings people. What I did feel was bad fan because he was going into a Raina. He was not prepared for. He was not prepared who want it at the two and a half year more. I don't care what smoke that blowing up you're asking. And they would you were not ready for a Sunday night at the storm front amid tissues never have on your right now. I'm telling you right now. So they come up to me, and they go. Hey, we spoke to the town coordinator. And he said, it's okay. If this kid goes up, I recognize that help everybody, you know, may what's going on. Like, oh, I'll bring you up. I go up to Mitzi may being me. And I go mitt I gotta put this kid on. I guess he cut a deal with Scott day. Whoever was the down coordinator at the time. It wasn't Corey yet. I. This Tommy wasn't it uses way before then it had to be Scott there. Yeah. So I go I'm gonna put him up. I go. They say he's the Bill Hicks of the future. And I say that as a joke door, but with a serious face when I go. That call him the Bill Hicks of the future. Okay. Put him on next. This kid went up dead. Sue his fucking joke the year, and it's the original room hammer. His his a material, and it was like giving him a show. It's like they just tap them on the show when he stays the spirit of Richard Pryor tapped show, listen say buddy, take the shovel. Look what you're about the cost the one minute, Mark. She's in the back on. Bill hicks. Miami is right turning in his grave got kids. Turtle. You could you could see can't you could see like she was brutal to you. Go here nerve his hands went away. You could see the purple going up by that you could see the OPEL, and then you could see the purple his face, and he just put the fuck your microphone back and he walked off the stage, bro anyone outside and I'll never forget his manager is so called managed and the guy from Gersh just turn that back, and he stood there looking around, and nobody will look at them. And then they're like, okay we done yet. Let's go. The improv this kid. You could see they had gotten points in the stomach. His manager and the guy from Grosz walk ten feet ad from. Huzzah way, and I'll never forget this lesson and his on this lesson ends. I went to the town few weeks ago about that kid. Okay. He's a bartender. He got out of the business. You have to it was too much. It was that night. Devastated him. He wanna he went on to do the improv for some and he will do factory. He cooked up with a girl. He did calm. Like, maybe ten more times. As a that was the end the comedy store do that to you because it is a purist. It's not that trauma store. Do it to you is that if you play that game eventually that's going to happen. Exactly. Yeah. That do not belong that guys. Like, I guys like Andrew. Yeah. Joe rogan? There's a lot of guys Bill Burr. There's a lot of guys that know because not because we're trying to be critical of you. I've heard Bill Burr talk about Monday morning. But it's not that we're trying to be critical from you is that we'd been there. Yeah. We've lied to ourselves when I was at the for you when I was doing comedy year. I was telling people I was a common. Yeah. Bombing. I still remember bombing of the private I got a private and my to the half year. Mark. I got a private that that didn't wanna pay me. I even I couldn't even go collect the money from them. We couldn't even make trade fraud. Yeah. Who's a frie- fake until you make it kind of thing is what I get everybody. Does it like? Dice. We joke about him. Tony Hans cliff. Does it a little bit too? Like, I always tell Tony that Andrew always says he's very similar to him because he was Tony to always pushing himself. All I'm the up rising comic, whatever I'm the greatest up and coming comic. But it's he has what it up, but he also just like putting it out there kind of thing and part of it is kind of fucking with people but dice he wouldn't do a movie less. You could be dice like he would wear his own shirt that said dice like he put it in your face. He's like the original like Brander, if you will that you did two movies where he played the dice character that he was trying to sell to people pretty paying and four for making the grade known for his name was dice Ford. Fairlane? He was Ford Fairlane that was his tractors. So dice was but he was called the dice man in making McGrady and in pretty in pink. Let's huge movie. John Hughes pretty in pink radium pick. The dice, man. Jon Cryer says it everybody says the dice man, and he has a shirt that says dice, so they're like who's that? You know what I mean? That's not alternate branding. But that's what he did. And then he would go around and tell people I'm going to be the biggest comic in the world. And they'd be like the fuck out of my face. It's twenty something year old kid from Brooklyn. I'll smack the shit out. And he's like, no, no, I'm going to be. World, but he did it. So it's like remember the respect you have to have what tobacco member he started as a fucking Tony. John travolta. His father would have to drive him to the fucking mafia gigs, and he would get up there with a white shirt and Jerry Lewis, Jerry. Do that thing and come back as a Travolta Travolta. I mean, who's a sucker meant that. He told young so his parents had the drive this fall. He told me star event his data fucking drive them to what was the club, which of film that movie. Season zest because of that shit. It's crazy. Stop doing always had shot. And you always had because he started as it's like, I always lie peop-, I tell people I started a fucking prison. The first time I thought I was doing comedy. I started playing the congas in my mother's ball kid. I'd get a conga put a hat, and I just put the jukebox play the congas and people pay me to stop. Yeah. Yeah. Ten bucks? I'd stop put it away and go buy some I would play the congress. They would say enough enough. We can't fuck think. Had my mama go. It's genius. At least you're making ten bucks for yourself. You them. Food. At least I don't have to give you money. Which started that? That, you know, then the number one bus, and then I never knew I wanna get the comedy the I'm watching. Imprison? You said you want? What I always watched. And. Okay. So let's get something straight. I heard the Knicks crazy, and I lost my mind that I bought vice tenure Negga was it something I said, yeah, I got into it. I was into it. I played when I was a kid and people put music on the John. Oh, choose a rich girl as you go into far take that off. Philip walking putting fucking Richard Pryor. I had no idea. I was a criminal. I had no idea. No idea. No idea no idea, then when I was twenty seven I started running up outta options of things I really wanted to do. And I said why try to trinity? I tried this. I tried that. I tried this. I was a by time. I might as well. Try stand up. I'll see what I mean. That's amazing. That's L magical has a joke not a joke. But like we always talk about when everything else fails, try stand up like like, I came out here to be an actress I wanted to be an actress I kept getting engaged idiots foam back and getting in a play. Nobody comes to plays out here. Then I became a wrestler some issues there. But he don't like I was doing these kids shows and stuff on Nickelodeon like I had I was doing stuff but not enough. You know what I mean? Like it was it just wasn't clicking. I guess and I would go to class all the time. I'll do. Freddie got into class. Fat light Scientology. They couldn't go on our dishes w Brown. LA, freddie. Trying to justify to me. And I'm like FREDDY, you Sherry. Sue got Russia. So you're cool. But you never gonna tell me now gonna dish because advantage of it. I went to. That was already starting audition. And they were like, well, we don't know. What don't you know? What is it? Don't you know that you don't know if I made it make money if I'm making money, obviously, you're acting classes working we'll leave it at that. Yeah. And I'm gonna go out, but you're never gonna control me. And tell me I can't listen to that. That was his late quit. The second year to go on tour. Everybody was drinking Kool shepherd to she quit go telling you with acting classes, you're not ready yet that dog adding a stand up I come from a different world, then I ready. Yeah. These kids get out of college and took a painting program. Then not ready. I'm ready. I'm at that store fucking nine nights a week following Moonie and the lights of this guy that he Griffin. So even though I'm not a season actor, I'm three quarters of the way here. I just gotta find my fucking way. Yeah. And I did, you know eventually I found out why Mitzi shore gives you three minutes spots at the end of it. What's an audition, three minutes? If you can't sell yourself in three minutes. You can't send every will come to you and say, I don't get it. I can't claim it. You learn you quit too long. Create a do bits. Well chop the bit. Yeah. It teaches you the fat. And just can't I don't know pulling. You didn't care the punch. It's just get them laughing. That's it. If it's without a gonna get away with it. If I get away without kissing in figuring, you it'd be a beautiful world it would be beautiful world. But you can't. But she taught you those three minutes got me ready to audition. And later got into the store ninety seven. I started booking a mother and three because you're constantly learning to just be in the moment, the high learned in between comedy and acting put it together. Yeah. Took the acting class. I paid attention. I did the scene studies to call reading workshop. I fucking you know, you go to those acting classes they get the kid. He's not a stand up every learn. So they'll call you eight times a day saying, hey, when are we going to rehearse like bitch? I'm fucking right. Yeah. Wall. Wait a minute. That's right. You gotta rehearse. So you gotta Paul him three times a week ago. When meeting at two thirty in my house this week or where do you live? I live Dahl, right? You gotta go down there rehearse so every week you're Hurson. And now you going on stage at night. Do you understand what's going on? There's a process you just not gonna so now why you're rehearsal. Daytime getting better outer acting at night you get state doing three spots week. You're doing three spots night. You get non-state you'll get and eventually both worlds become one. Yeah. And now, you know, how to go into a room and start going. It's well, they gave me this Dacian. But it only had one line. Welcome to the real world. That's learn take that one line three. Stay in there for three minutes. Yeah. It's got a one. I remember Mooney used to get so frustrated. I come to the store be pissed off. Like, man. I just I blew auditions. I I don't know what the hell doing wrong and. He like you ain't going to book anything until you walk into the audition. The way you walk into that. Oh are. Don't make sense. Yeah. Yeah. I can Mony. Those what he meant was I walk in like, I own it. That was my I was there every night. The you know, I worked I was a waitress. I took you know. So I walked in there. Even though I'm not a comic or the owner, or whatever for some reason, I walk in that room like that's my living room. And that's how you have to do in an audition walking. Like, you already got the fuck impart. You're just here to pick up. The check. Doing comedy when you take the blue show for Showtime. Oh, not that that's five years ago now so the show on Showtime five years, so seven seven years commies. Yeah. Yeah. And now you got your second booking. This is the comedy central with all things comedy. And Bill Burr. It's almost like the what it's not called the presents comedy central premium blend. Remember, they use the shore of sets. So these are the shorter sets which is great because like you were just talking about doing when Mitzi would make you do three minutes. You have to sell yourself in three minutes right now, we gotta go back down these sets or five minutes I've been headlining I'm doing an hour. You start stretching things out longer five minutes is so hard now. Like dang. So you just gotta get back into that motion. So this week and next week. I have all set up little five minute spots here. And there, you know, just to get back into that rhythm of editing. I remember. One night. I wasn't a comic. I was a waitress being you're in the back of the like in the kitchen in the comedy store. Mitzi comes in I start talking to Mitzi or no, I was telling you a story about calling the cops for the first time in my life. And you're like that's hilarious because I wound up being a bird on my stupid. It wasn't a person. It was a bird that was like chirping or nibbling at my window. And I thought it was a person. And so you gotta tell Mitzi that store. You gotta tell me that story. It's hilarious. Right. So I tell Mitzi and she's like edit Honey, get to the point my whole body shutdown fucking comic. Like, but I was like, oh, yeah. There's like things like you can get there quicker. You know what I mean? And just get the point out get the funny out and move on. And she that's all she wanted to see ever. And I remember my whole body locking up and freezing. Like, I'm never going to become a comic. She. So mean. But she was so right as what she really probably yourself. What you've done. I am. I am. Because like I said with the acting I love acting. I only wanted to be an actress I never wanted anything else. My mom coming jesu- Abell from the time. I could talk like I was just always. But it was weird because I would do impressions I would make them laugh. But I thought I was acting. You don't mean like? Of those anything was in the news. I would reenact it from my mom to make our laugh do stupid stuff to impressions of everybody in the neighborhood. Like people are like if the people I do impressions over famous. I'd be huge because I'm so good at those impressions. But it was just those people. Yeah. Like, my friend, Cindy or my sister, Karen or this drunk lady named Ellen. Those private what's the girl that used to dance onstage during shoot chilies shows at the Hollywood bowl when she picked up a leg. Adrian shawshank. He's in DC. She's praying. That's amazing. I love date. Confession. I'm the one that used to rob run Monday nights. Man, all these years. I thought it was somebody. I used to rob like one Monday a month. He'd be like to be hundred dollars. I'm like age is how fuck do you have to? I'd have to void dollar drinks. I'm like he's like. Listen time, they gave it a bad drugs. That was terrible. She was trying eat. What about this lip was down? Here. I don't know how she did that she was into different ship. At one time. I took a whole hour stack of singles you'd better sent her check from the comedy store, they will all sit night count money and Ricca was backed us to blame. His I walked in together. Check I walked in together. Check. And I saw the money was looking at account, and I just picked up the money like a joke, and nobody saw it. So I just put it in my jacket. I walked out. It was a stack of one hundred singles, right? I took the Bank thing off through and the thing had a hundred singles walk down the printout gave them fifty. They gave me two twenties ten than I did something real quick. But by the time, I got back to the store they're all like the magic missing hundred holiday. Thanks, Mike record that I'm fucking dying Lafler Mike record off the fuck. Vote back home. Oh, I know who we had on our pocket. We on the comedy has we had the bushman the high you remember the high on Boola? He he's a comedy gold on a podcast. He's hysterical. He always does. Danish. O'neil? He always does. Now, we're having do our Z downtown right in a book or no he's living in Korea town. Okay. You gotta get me. His all he goes deer. Don't help me out. I go Joe DEA not saying, I'm. I'm not saying I'm Joe. Not helping you out. I didn't even know a high was still around. You know, you get them to say certain things like he's like when I was in Seattle. I work with cocoa bean. I'm like who's cocoa bean Cobain Kirk Kobe. That's right. Eddie van he says, everything rolling Tomase did not even know what he's great. He's writing a book right now. He's nicest Boola his daughters. His daughters. What do you call that influence her on like on on social media be? Got to be a basketball player sees. I still remember daughters and a son. I remember going back there in Seattle, right? Take time we used to get down Jewish man like them. The party, Joey what if you see him send them my love? I'll Email I'll give them your us. A great fucking do. I would haven't been this podcast in the month. These blood to me just reminded me of somebody that I forgot about completely like I'm sad because. You went crazy. Josh Wolff was like oh shit the bushman's here like. We've known him we were kids together. And here's the funny thing, I got into trouble on Illinois. It's very loyal. One time we got in trouble here. Happened way low for couple of days. I turn them a high. Lies like, I place this. This meet him outside. I had a show for like two or three days. Pull up and he takes me upstairs to his this high that no air conditioning. You know, the windows hope and you could hit Mexican music Spanish people. I'm just sitting on the couch. I'm just sitting there sweating and all sudden it's two and a Half Moon. I just see it rat just crawl across the kitchen. And I said the high I love you like a brother, but this ain't gonna happen. I called. You have to. Ten dollars a month because I can't stay right? I think I love staying with joy Medina instead right there. That's how bad the highest place. High can't fucking do it. But I gotta tell you some Lula. We did a lot of storm going to his house news. Leaping two in the morning. Monday nights. We get used to work on Venice beach. Anyway, be wearing a loincloth of the spear beer, but the money in the pan point a spirit people goes they don't want to put the money. It's okay. I go. Hi, you're you have a spear in their face. The high was possibly was may may Friday, LA, LA LA. Hi, Josh, Wolff, Mark, Madison. And all my God Mark has been here for long showcase for Mitzi. Nobody helping me. Yeah. Let's you pass a regular for a walk with me. It was up there a lot. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. There's a lot of people just it's not all way. It's not that. You're not. Family and life goes different. But he brought up Jodi as I glob telling Joe. Hi, never hit me. I forgot what high even existed. That's shame until I heard the other podcasts and I laugh hard. Like oh. People don't understand the responsibilities. I have now. Yeah. I don't have the same response of his headset. Children everything changes. So we. People know or like just thinking about something I do tonight. I'm like five days not finished. I still go home and do this and this and this then I gotta go down there. So it's gonna be tough even doing that tonight. You have so many thing and up in your plate that life goes on. And the one you tape in the show where taping April sixteenth AP czar April seventeenth eighteenth doing two nights. I guess at this theater downtown what I call it the tier gin when Josh Adam Mayes and may spoke, the he mentioned your name was so proud of you. And I wanted to get you on the show to let people know your journey to let because I started as a doorman with. I just remember the day when Steve Simone was that my door management. What's within which was a club and Denver who was the small club of satellite club. In Westminster Colorado strip mall. They just had local people be comic stuff like that. But I started by watching. I mean, I wasn't watching for twelve bucket years right would have died. I would start a comedy. I was eighty trying. Now, people are like how old are you? I'm like, I'm almost debt relax fucking idiots like, but I'm very proud of ya'll think. Yeah. I'm thrilled. Josh admires is on it. There's a lot of great people. Rick Ingraham's doing punky Johnson. Like, this is going to be a big thing. I'm well. It's a big thing for me. Yup. That's the biggest name in improved by Bill. I really I knows the struggle. He knows he's been there. He's been on a show that got canceled. He went it rebuilt this. And now he's the comic that he is today. I think my hat's off the Bill Burr fucking. He's at the start Thursday night. And I'm pissed because I'm not there hadn't seen him of his new special something the big part of meat like when Andrew game that thing on Showtime, the blue show, and he really pushed for me 'cause they don't know who the heck this girl. And is it some girl you're trying to sleep with these already did that? So just let's help her out. Right. So they put me in there. And all I cared about was making him proud. And now the Bill Burr rent like looked at my stuff and was like, yes. Like, I had a submit stuff to them, and he approved it. So to me, I'm like, oh my God. Now, I care about like just do a good job to make Bill proud like. That's it. That's comedy recognizing comedy. You know, what I mean comics recognize that's up to him. Yeah. So like fucking some that work that I watched him for come in and showcase and not get past and never get on Mitzi. Just looked right past them. Like nothing I've ever seen not like Louis CK Lewis. She said he was to polish, but with Bill it was just like he didn't exist. But because it was his manager. She didn't know them or care for them or something there was something. And then Finally, I think she saw them in the main room. She goes this case terrific bench. We've been telling you, but you know, he was New York. And he was torn he was doing his thing. Anyway. So. Took the time. Thank you for having me to come over. I love you the debt. I wish you my favorite pocket everywhere. I go people are like oh my God. I love you on the church. I'm like, I don't go to church that much. But I love this church. Thank you. Tuck it up put the work in. You got what was coming theater? It is work. Don't pretend it's not. I love life. I you know, you see the month get Dubai. Is weird game and a lot of people. But and he dates you the promote April four through six being Kansas City at the comedy club. That's the name of it the comedy clubs great club excited. My friend, Dustin owns it. And it's a new brand new club. So come out support, your my Watkins was just there and it was great last weekend. I'll be there April fourth through the six and then house the comedy April twenty four th through the twenty eighth in Phoenix. Oh shit. Club. That's a good way. I love them. Good people. I'm happy. You took the time to get on. I on the other hand will be in Pittsburgh next weekend. But it's only got one show left Thursday night late, which we added the ten o'clock show. And then you guys know at the fuck in FitzGerald Dida in Minneapolis on four nineteen point four twenty. 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Episode 5: The Immortals - Julius Caesar

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Episode 5: The Immortals - Julius Caesar

"This episode of neutral, the ides of March is a day on the Roman calendar the corresponds to March fifteenth and forty four BC March fifteenth became notorious as the date of the assassination of Julius Caesar which made the ides of March a turning point in Roman history. So on this episode, I'm telling the story of Julius Caesar's remarkable life hand death. If you doubt Caesar's impact on our lives have a look at a calendar. There's a month call July that month was named for Julius Caesar. The following month is August named after Caesar's nephew, the first Roman emperor Augustus the calendar, we use today was named after these two men who live two thousand years ago, the modern calendars actually Caesar's calendar. He added the number of days necessary to actually fed how often the earth goes around the sun and the three hundred sixty. Five day calendar, including adjusting at every four years for leap year, his Caesar's invention so Caesar's in your life. Whether you know it or not he's in your life every year, and he's part of the calendar by which you live. Very term Caesar which became in German. Kaiser Kaiser Ville him came in Russian czar is today still a term that describes a centralized dicta to'real power two thousand years after he died, so we're dealing with somebody who's impact shook our part world western world so profoundly that even to this day. He is in many ways and in on known and on studied. But very real presence. If you look at Latin you'll find that among the most elegant books ever written in Latin was Caesar's Gallic wars and Caesar's civil wars who Caesar was not just a great military general of the mazing politician. He was also a remarkable good writer and a remarkably good orators reputation for using Lang. Guage brilliantly a made him one of the leading people in Rome for much of his life. Just because of his share talent the Roman Republic got too big to militaristic was too much the center of power I end as a result money poured in from all over to corrupt the Roman system. So if you were in Greece so you were in Spain or you are North Africa. And you wanted to get goodies the most efficient way to get goodies was to have a lobbyist in Rome bribe somebody and a lot of lessons to be learned by what happens when your system is to be bigger than you can maintain. And when the breakdown of the traditional order leads to the rise of tyrants, and that's literally what was happening and Caesar's lifetime. If you don't understand the Rome of his time. You can't understand him. His ankle Maria's is around one hundred BC, and he's the best general of his generation. But he's. Politically on the losing side of power struggle. And so his we sort of pushed off to one side, and he's not very important and all of a sudden, huge Germanic tribe comes rolling down the room river valley and the Roman people get scared because they think these this huge tribe is going to break through in the Italy. And so they call him back and given our mini goes north any wipes out the German tribe, and they now like Marius briefly, and then he is deposed and exiled, and he is sent to a place we don't think of as desert, but in its time, Sicily, it was considered desert who was not very heavily occupied. And as he recounts late in his life. He survives only by imagining what he's going to do to his enemies when he gets back. He does get back. And then he does what he said he would do. Now, why does this matter because what's beginning to happen? The politics of personality in philosophy and policy. Are beginning to be replaced by violence by by poisonings? Why assassinations by crowds in the street, and by intimidation, and in many ways marriage is the beginning of that breakthrough in that period. The secondary rise is Sola who is a great general and Sala becomes the great competitor to Mary's and between them they start wiping people out. So if you're in Sala cider, injure Marius, killing you marry society major solos killing in one of the ways, they finance what they're doing is look at the richest guys they steal their property. And they say, you know, lucky you you get to be exempted. Recent. I want all your money or you could stay here. I'll kill you. Then take all your money, which which one do you like better, and it was substantial number of Romans ended up going to Greece wrong periods. Just in order avoid being killed in that process in that period. Julius caesar. Doesn't really exist yet. He's a kid his family's very old. In fact, they are among the oldest families. Julia among the oldest families in Roman history. They go all the way back in theory prints from Troy, and in fact, they trace their mythical background. So the goddess Venus so Caesar at one level born into a family, which says to him you are the direct descendant of God and Caesar had the kind of personality that made sense to him. And so he his whole life. He has this kind of inner era that inner certainty that you probably have to be a descendant of God. It's all hard to imagine. How any normal person could have been like Caesar, but he has no money and his father dies when his young his mother actually takes the families relatively small holdings and vested in a highrise which back then men six or eight story apartment building in Saburo, which was a working class neighborhood. And so. She in the family live on the top floor, which is also the healthiest the cleanest, and they ran all the rest of the floors, which means that in his early twelve to sixteen years of age period Caesar's wandering around among working class, people learning working class Latin understanding how they think what they do have an ago, she ate, and and he is stunningly smart season may be much like Napoleon, one of the smartest people ever to live. And so he could absorb information. Could learn things at enormous speed. Caesar was ravenously ambitious. He thought he was descended from the gods. He thought he was descended from a family which had been cheated, and which was socially worthy of dramatically greater assets than they actually had from the earliest time we encounter him. He is an ending Liam vicious I and the understands that in the Roman world, if you're going to be ambitious you got to be physically capable of being a warrior because otherwise you can't earn the love respect interesting to watch Cicero, for example, who is probably Caesar's equal as an orator. And as a writer is not a great warrior, and it cripples his career because everybody knows it. But Caesar's somebody who could fight his way out of a room could fight his way in a battle could lead an army in the army felt honored to follow him. And I think he acquired that of my guess is he acquired the core of that. When he was like thirteen or fourteen of fifteen years old because you look. Around. He said I'm Caesar Caesar goes onto marry somebody who saw it doesn't like because she belongs politically to the wrong side and saw whose dictator and who is he's really he and Marissa really beginning. Total breakdown of the Republic system has now dictators you'll people who have real power they're prepared to kill you. They want sometimes kill you. Even if you do what they want in need your money. And so a Sola basely says to him you have to divorce your wife and Caesar says now is truly one of those things where you have to believe you have some kind of divine destiny. Oh, you're just nuts because Caesar's standing there is a very young man facing this dictator who's a great general has huge force around him is capable of killing Caesar on the spot. And he said, I'm not doing and so solid says, okay, we'll get it outta town. You know, I'm not gonna. Some reason decided not to kill Caesar and a may have been again, this magic touch that seizure head that he could manipulate people at levels that are just astonishing. And so the dictator said, okay, I really really mad at you. But I'm not gonna kill you right now. So Cesar goes up in the app. Nines mountains with three years hides because he knows that on a bad weekend. Sala could wake up and decide you know, Caesar doesn't amuse me that much that's killing. Eventually he joins the army to get away from Rome who's he wants to get far enough away that Sala can easily kill him. And he doesn't wanna remind Sullivan. He's around. So he wanders off in the great action area. At that time for the army is over in what they would considered the east, which is along. What we now would say is Turkish cerium coast. There were constantly fighting with both pirates and with local governments Caesar turns out to be. Be an amazingly courageous soldier. He wins. The oak leaves which is the highest sort of the quivalent of our congressional medal of honor. There are many ways. In which you can have thority or fame. You know, you can be rich. You can be a good family. He can hold high office. If you've done something so heroic the you're allowed to wear the crease, you noun a unique category because no one can challenge you hurry. And so it puts you a very small league did says first of all you've been in combat you've done it. So her oh weekly that you're appears awarded you this this highest and congressional medal of honor the only thing that's comparable. And if you've ever been in military environments people walk in wearing the congressional honor are by definition differently because it's something they earned. So I think in that sense. It was one of the things early on that marked him off in the sort of said this guy's special yet to take him seriously. And he's going to become somebody the concept of wearing a wreath which the trust comes done with good golden east for their. Things in Greek mythology. Apollo represents power in wears a laurel wreath on his head. So Caesar's mind wearing the oak wreath would be a signal of his uniqueness in his near godlike important, again, it was an age when people started earlier because they died younger, but still this guy who's who's working really hard to rise as fast as he can so Caesar as very young guy is working as way into being seen as great soldier. Great general. Great order, very very clever politician Caesar one point gets captured by pirates now the pirates had operated off the coast, Syria and Turkey because they had found places where they could go in where the passageways were so complicated that no one could find them. And what they didn't realize was that Caesar had almost a perfect memory. So two things start out of this. Particular expense. One is his Caesar by himself surrounded by pirates who are pretty tough people, and they want twenty units of silver for him. And he says that's really stupid. Know, I'm famous guy. I mean, you gotta go for fifty. If you don't if you don't go for fifty I will feel so insulted, and if you go for fifty pay by the way, after they pay you any release me I wanna come back and kill you on the pirates. All this is just great. Here's this guy. He's not physically Doug dominant. He's fairly slender. Mark very muscled. But very slender. And he doesn't look like he's a guy who's gonna come back and kill all the pirates. And so they laugh at anything just terrific great personality of chatting with you know, so they get the asked for fifty because he told them to they get fifty. They releasing he organizes an army. He remembered exactly how to find them. He goes back. He crucify all of them. But because he liked them. He cut the throats. I. There's a brief. Notre Mer about the rose crucifixion in the Roman model is designed to be really painful. Not was not what we see in the Christian image of Christ on the cross in the Roman model. You are tied up your in. You are hanging from a wooden cross and goal is to allow you to hang their until the point where birds, for example, come impact your eyes out, and you will eventually die of the hydration when the Romans put nails through Christ and poke him in the side with a spear. These are actually considered acts of kindness because they accelerate the rate at which you die. Understand the Roman world you have to start with a simple model. These were really tough ruthless people presentable inspired because rebels on the great moments in history smart has about twenty thousand followers, and he really scares the Romans the idea of slave rebellion would be genuinely frightening viewer, Roman aristocrat. So when they find feed him they crucify somebody about every two hundred feet for seventy miles. So from Naples to Rome, you're writing down a road that has people crucified the entire distance. And the in their goal is to sort of say the people who are releasing cheer. And we want you to know you do this kind of stuff we will relentlessly. Come and get you. This is also a country. Remember this before Cesar just to give you as flavored and often hits me as I walk around Rome looking at the city and looking at the walls city which had. During the wars with Carthage Hannibal is in his in Italy for seventeen years, and they can't beat him. But he can't break through the city walls. And so for seventeen years they just slug it out in Romans one point losing Tara army about coq ten eight too excited. I guess have better than other army. They decide to beat the Carthaginians. They have to go to see and build a navy, which they had not done up to them. They build an attorney. He goes to see this huge hurricane the navy, sinks and the Roman responses. I guess we need a new navy, and they don't know the navy. I mean, these are just from Lympne. This is the world. I'm getting us as background because understand Caesar if to understand this was accepted as normal this level of toughness was where they started. It wasn't what they got to. I. And so Caesar comes along and Caesar's of anything smarter more personable more ruthless and tougher than anybody else. Somebody wants said that in the great fight between Pompey and Caesar the criminal to pirates when they were both trying to win control the empire of. Republic which became number in. It wasn't like there was a good gun bad guy. These are these guys just slugging it out for power. And if they happen to kill you in the way through tough break because they were doing important to them. So here's Caesar comes back home, enters politics becomes the high priest of religion, which gives him another source of authority and becomes an elected official in the Roman system is very complicated. Hierarchy you get into you gradually rise in importance. He's all design to minimize the ability of any one person to be a dictator is what does what Marius insult have broken out of after solace death. It'd be gins to revert back towards the traditions and the goal again a little bit like the American constitution. The goal is to not have anybody concentrate power enough to be charged little thing. So they have to consuls every year two consuls to veto each. Other people were elected to lower off. They have various powers and Caesar's gradually climbing this chain of authority and at the same time he is becoming one of the most popular people enroll it's in. It's really interesting to watch Caesar is instinctively what I would call it populist in the sense that having grown up in Seborga and having understood the work in classrooms. He had concluded that the future of Rome was absorbing more and more people so part of his career will be extending citizenship to more and more and more people, which builds a huge force of followers because they see Caesar's protecting them as being there guy Caesar automobile is given thirty to go to goal now. He's already led several armies in Spain. These armies over in east who call Turkey, Syria. But now he has big moment of his career, and what people tend to forget is Caesar's gone for. Seven years. About three million men in goal when he arrives. It's one s to mitt is a story. Tony's that. He killed a million sold mine into slavery and the remain left. But. I destroy probably Tony said, he destroyed eight hundred towns at one point he fights particular, tribe and finally surrender. He surrounds her Ford. He finally finally surrender instead of killing them. He cuts off the right hands. So they're five thousand men wandering around Gaul with one hand is he wants to send a signal the you oppose me, and it is going to be really bad for you. Finally, the tribes get together they all rebel simultaneously. He's in the fight of his life. And in about a six month period. He organizes his army out maneuvers them and went now, the Roman armies, great strength is engineering logistics. They know how to have a siege. They know how to build a fort to protect themselves. They know how to sustain their army in the field was supplies. It is a very well. Thought-out are men in army which had been practice. In war for several hundred years one on one of goals would probably as good or better than the Romans. The Germans were probably as good or better than the Romans. Problem was it in fight one. What and Roman armies were very very good. Armies Caesar has tremendous instrument, which he uses brilliantly, and he uses it for seven years and support understand this because when you watch what's about to happen when he goes back to Rome, there's only one person who has the level of military experience and then entire Roman world and that season, and he has he knows how to move in those had organized nobody else's in his league. After the break Caesar returns to Rome and establishes his role has leader of the Roman Republic. This episode is brought to you by the Oxford gome group. I'm here today with the founding partners of the Oxford gold group Tillman what is the rate of return on investment in gold or other precious metals. If you go back a hundred years, you know, back in say nineteen nineteen you could buy a nice men's tailored suit for twenty dollars. Not just so happens that gold was twenty dollars an ounce in nineteen nineteen. 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And that's a perfect example of what happens when you continue printing money and devaluing money, people don't realize it even the wealthiest people in the world own gold. But most of the financial advisors out there that people visit won't even bring up gold or silver. So people just don't have any clue. But once they look at the numbers and see what's happened. Just in the last twenty years. It's right there in black and white church. Request your free investment guide. Go to Oxford gold group dot com slash Newt's world or give us a call at one eight three three easy IRA. That's one eight three three three two seven nine four seven two and we can discuss all your investment goals. Oxford gold group processors of news world. Visit Oxford goal group dot com slash news world now to request your free investment guide. She's your returns to Rome after seven years at Warren goal. And he faces a problem. He's got to cross the Rubicon river, which is the boundary of Rome. At the time Caesar builds a whole series of signal fires and he has his legions leaning forward. He comes down without his legions because he wants to be peaceful. He wants to send a signal. He's he's written Gallic wars, which are well worth reading in which essentially are volume every every year and sensually are here's how Caesar one and captured go and turned all these leaves in the mind and why you should love Caesar because what he's done for. He also found a daily newspaper to mind, you that Caesar loves shield Caesar does things so his enemies who under Roman rule if he gives up his governorship. They can try him. And it's quite clear giving. The last forty years of Roman history. If they try him they're gonna killing. And that's the only way they can containing. And so he's negotiating saying, oh, I wanna be peaceful. I really wanna work all this out down with that. My my army guy can't get something. Well, when they finally figure out, no. Gonna kill you. We're not gonna order something out. What they reckon on was. He had already said his units in motion and first legion could get to the Rubicon days, and they could send signal fires all the way through go. So he's mobilizing a force. Very fast. Meanwhile, his major opponent, Hoppy was the great general before Cesar tune saw him Caesar as the dominant figure very successful very well organized, but a little slow and insecure where we're Caesar. Thanks. Come to send it from the guys. I might as well gamble because the guys will be there for me Pompey kind of things, you know, I'm the Senate from normal people on the sky SESAR scares me. Nice. Papyrus Magnus, we would call pumping great came out of a provincial talion background. It's an interesting contrast, very competent man, very hard working, man. He actually cleans up all the pirates in the eastern Mediterranean and his widely seen as a tremendous organizer of military forces. But in the end, he's not descended from the gods. He doesn't represent one of the oldest families in Rome. He doesn't have this aristocratic sense of destiny, which is the heart of what makes Caesar so remarkable. And so Pompey who's proud. He's competent he's powerful. But he's normal and he's trying to cope with somebody. Who's AB normal popular smart? But Pompey was not he didn't know that quickness that sudden political skill that Caesar head, and he didn't have the ability to plan at three or four or five level simultaneously. And the result was I think that Caesar. Always frightened him and always confused him. Every general ever studied Caesar's on the shortlist of people. You cannot give spare time to because he will use it and use it better than you will so Pompey leaves Italy. Now, the reason this really matters. And this is why when you visit Rome, and you look at the Coliseum and you look at the forum, and you just just think to yourself. This was a city of over a million people at the time we're talking about it was the center of the Mediterranean world. It had symbolism. It's Rome guy who gives up wrong gives up some Bali all of the emotional and moral power and Caesar walks into Rome. Here's a Quiring all of the authority of being in Rome is also the center of money in the center of commerce so season overnight is able to start chasing Pompey's forces everywhere and Caesar has better divisions. VS people. Who've been practicing warfare seven years. They are loyal to him. Sadly for him is top Lieutenant actually leaves enjoins Pompey think Caesar will lose things to Caesar's breaking the rules, and that makes us feel bad. But he sends all of his all of his equipment to him and his, you know, quit agreed seven years. Sorry side of the guy could lose. And so Caesar wonders around the Mediterranean defeating the various forces on the other side ending up with chasing Pompey all the way to Egypt where the gyp shins and free at the pompous. Loser side, they will cut off his head and give it to Caesar because you know, they wanna show sees how much they like it. Well, then fought about the fact that harmony was married to Caesar's daughter and were friends while the happened this disagreement, which led to a civil war. It's very likely Caesar would not have killed pommel. And sees it was genuinely play offended who's they would of civil war in Egypt. Between Cleopatra in her brother and her brothers the one who cut off poppies head. And so he's sides with her fights civil war defeats the army fights civil war. There's a moment where the Romans are being siged in Alexandria. And it's true during the siege. The act the great library Alexander's burn down whether by Caesar's people by the gypsies. We don't have different size that store a great loss. Huge collection of Rico. Any works that burn one night. But anyhow, they're they're in the regular Romans of getting very nervous, the really worried, and why Caesar not worrying, and he said I'm waiting, and they what what what are you waiting for waiting? Go what happens to talk? So son was I thought you knew what didn't tell him was that two months earlier in order ordered his legions to come from Syria. And he knew that they were few miles outside of town. And that's very much like Caesar and see Caesar's ability to play seven games simultaneously. I not tell you about any of them maisy. And again, a main him and people people at one level, we're awestruck by and another level. They were really frightened because the essence of the Roman model was to balance power. So nobody had too much power and to have a system in which the very structure of the system limited the ability to lead to dictate what had been happening was to this long hundred year period, dictators kept killing people and establish the Paranal view. On the losing side, not a huge jump from one to jail to being kill. And that's was we happen to them. And so you saw this continuous process. Even the people who were four Caesar worried because Caesar audibly represented the end of the Republic, and he Representative Salish a new system power. They had had since the last two talkin king was kicked out and four seventy six BC Romans had a passion against kinship long stretch. There were a few anybody thought you thinking you're going to become a king you gone. And now all of a sudden, here's a guy who by share power sheer brilliance is clearly the central figure becomes dictator for life. Not yet. King doesn't wanna be king just happen to be dictator. And so a group of people who begin to really worry that the system is right at tilt in. If they don't do something. That in fact Republicans, and that's why you end up with the SAS nation in March of forty four BC. When we come back Caesar faces of Senate who Jellison his power decides to murder him. An unfair -ly discharged marine with dark secret. A brilliant intelligence officer recovering from tragedy. This unlikely pair are brought together to stop a deadly Russian plot against the heart of the American system. Number one, New York Times bestselling authors nuking bridge and Pete early return with a new series filled with action and intrigue that captures the tensions and divides of America and the world today collusion, a novel by new Gingrich available on Amazon dot com and audible now. One of the fascinating aspects of Caesar's life was the impact of his death because it became one of the most historic moments in all of western history, partially because of the brilliant portrait in Shakespeare's play and the speech by Mark Antony at his funeral partially because Caesar had been such a life force he'd been so dominant. He strode across the Roman empire in such a huge way that his disappearance through death left a vacuum. That would take years to sort out because there was no natural ability for anyone to step in and become Caesar. And so they'll be an entire civil war before he was replaced by his nephew who would actually found the empire itself. Off tavis who becomes Augusta's in his the second month. We name for one of the Caesar's. So you July and August Caesar himself in a way it almost set the stage for his own killing the Greeks had a concept they called hubris and hubris meant that you began to take on to yourself enormous power in enormous self affection, and as you became more and more filled with hubris you began to set yourself up for what the Greeks called nemesis and nemesis was the destruction of the person who had hubris well away Caesar is the perfect model of what the Greeks were trying to warn about the bigger Caesar became the more powerful Caesar became the more people feared him and the more people envied him. Remember the core. This isn't the average Roman. Average woman thought Caesar was fine. Cesar fed them Caesar entertain. Name them Caesar conquered slaves that enrich them associated pretty big base among normal people. But if you're an aristocrat, and you had a great sense of self worth. And you thought your family been around for hundreds of years and here, suddenly you're in the shadow no longer unequal. No longer a fellow aristocrat. No longer a person who could look upon themselves as significant. But instead, you are clearly weaker lesser subordinate smaller, and you hated every minute of it. And you thought who this guy sees that? He's flaunting his power his flaunting his role in history because there was a sense that the bigger Caesar got the smaller the aristocrats got so part of the just pure, old fashioned jealousy. Well, Cesar had now accumulated very substantial number of of aristocrats who just loved him. The couldn't. Senate to his face because they're terrified of him because he'd kill them. So they talked to each other and quiet. They met together. They began conspiring was the second part of this. There was a legitimate honest, deep fear of kingship, it's important wherever the Rome really becomes Roman four seventy six BC when the hit rid of the last king the last Harkin king is replaced and the Romans acquire this deep passionate opposition to having a king. That's why the Republicans so stable for such a long period because in their mind, the alternative is to go back to kingship while now here Caesar who says every day. Oh, I don't really want to be a king. But in the last days before the the ides of March he and Mark Anthony begin to play a game in which are canton, who's chief subordinate starts to say. Oh, well, wouldn't you consider being a king? He's says, no, no, no, nothing's further from my mind. And I really I can't imagine why you would mention the word king and Julius Caesar in the same sentence. Well, the other novels. No, this is the beginning of a setup and that at some point that summer that seasons very likely going to say, well, all right. If you really want me to be king. How can I turn you down? She have both this fear. That Caesar represents the end of the Republic in the death of a system, which was almost five hundred years old by the stage, and you had this personal level of just really deeply disliking Caesar because he's too big too powerful to arrogant too smart, and they just wanna get rid of him conspiracy begins to grow and ironically, the Roman Senate self was being refitted. And so they had to move that meeting place. They chose a poppy sitter. Remembering of course, Pompey was the great leader who sees her head defeated in the early. Earlier civil war. So now, they're going down to poppies theater, which was a quite spectacular place and gonna meet the rumor comes supposedly from a soothsayer who could see the future the Caesar should be wear the ides of March. It was apparently real enough that his wife begged him not to go to that meeting of the Senate that day this apparent is not just a fiction of Shakespeare's making. But actually at the time was a real event. Caesar course, I think at two different things going on one was he was very skeptical of these kind of things he didn't he didn't particularly worry about soothsayers telling him he's going to win or lose anything. But the other was I think that he had the sense of destiny if it was his destiny to be killed, then he would become a martyr for Rome. If it was his destiny to stay alive. Then he would continue to be the leader who was a had become dictator, which was a step below kingship. He would continue simply to run Rome. And I think he sort of thought in that sense. There's there's a fatalism and Caesar that run Susan tire life, and you can see it over and over again where he wrist if any risk defeat because he just believes you have to roll the dice and see what's going to happen for versus entire life. He'd rolled the dice and he'd won. So he goes to Pompey's theatre that day. And there were there may have been up to sixty nobles who had gotten together all the number who actually attacked him a much smaller number. He knew that a number of them disliked. But part of the reason they disliked it was he had contempt for them. So since he had contempt for them. He wasn't gonna be afraid of them. And he deliberately dismisses his security force because he wants to communicate. I'm not afraid of you guys. I don't need to be surrounded by police to protect me because you guys have the guts to do anything anyway. Well that particular day he was wrong when. He goes in the senators who hated him surrounded supposedly civilians Casca hits the strikes the first blow hitting him in the neck drawing. Blood other senators join in and he is hit again, and again and again around the head in the neck, Marcus Brutus of parents wounds him in the groin, at least that's the traditional legend and Caesar said to send to you to my child or at tube Bruti as a became translated in later years. There was a rumor which probably wasn't true. But it was a really delicious rumor that Brutus in fact was his illegitimate son. He certainly had had a long relationship with Buddhist as mother, but given the relative ages, it's unlikely that is really his son. But it's clear that Buddhist really dislike Caesar probably part because he objected to Caesar sleeping with his mother. Then I was having Caesar had with a substantial number of women around the Roman aristocracy, which probably further lead to people being willing. To kill him. So Caesar dies. And it's as though a great force has left the world. And I think a one level they're all staring each other going. Oh my God. We really didn't. And then they're faced with. So how do we deal with the Roman crowd? Because the Roman crowd initially was very pro Caesar Caesar been very good to them and he had improved their lives. He paid attention to them. He was popularity's. He was interested in the people rather than the stock Crecy. So they said basically we saved Rome from dictatorship. Mark Antony speaking that the funeral gives an Asian. It's pretty clear that when the assassins were done speaking they were in pretty good shape by the time. Mark Antony was done speaking. They're all sneaking out of town because the mob has turned and the mob. Clearly now will tear them apart. And this is a penny. Really an actual fact of that particular day that in one origin. Mark Antony who had been Caesar's deputy is able to convince people, oh, I could never speak well of Caesar because we've all been told me these honorable men how evil Caesar is. And we know these are honorable men, and therefore I can't say anything good about Caesar. And so I'm not even sure I should read you Caesar's will which Caesar who, you know, loved you so much has written. But it would be wrong of me to read this well in which Caesar loved you so much because we've all been told how evil scissors by these honorable men, and this goes on and on a crowd after after after a while the crop to go where he the well we want to hear the well. Well, of course, the will is a perfectly political document. And which Caesar's basically said, I love Rome, so much that everything I have goes to you the people of Rome, and then aunts, and it has to say well. Now, we can't be grateful to Caesar for having loved as so much because we've all been told by these honorable men that he was a tyrant that he was a bad person. So I'm sure none of you. When want us to execute his will and give everybody all the things Caesar wants you to have to be so wrong to do that. When these honorable men have told you the Caesar was bad, and of course, but this point combination of emotion, ingred and memory, and frankly, the aristocrats are not very they're not free. Nice people and the average person in Rome new that and Ariza person Rome knew that the number one reason aristocrats didn't like Caesar was because they're aristocrats. And by the way, they weren't going to be nice to the people either. And it's apparently is true historically that by the end of Antony speaking, the aristocrats who killed Caesar had left Rome to get away before the crowd attack them is truly a remarkable moment. And in that. Process Cesar had set the stage by his death. And by his will by Antony who understood him and by his young nephew Octavius who had been apprenticed to Caesar Caesar. Brought him in Cesar had him travel with him Caesar take anyone the wars and tovia learned an immense amount where Caesar shatters and ends the Republic. He doesn't actually create a stable system. And that's part of why he gets killed but his nephew. Now. His nephew will come along. Take over the family business takeover Caesar's name and in the process of stablishment empire, which will ask for four hundred years, and as truly remarkable because nobody on the day Caesar was killed could have picked tavis out as the long-term winner. He was totally underestimated way everyone and yet he learned so much from his uncle and he knew how to play being the nephew. The only person who could claim to be Julius Caesar's heir was Octavius. And that may have been what automatically after death who scissors last grade contribution to the history of Rome and the history of the western world. If you'd like to know more of Julius Caesar we've created a show page of of my favorite books plays and movies about him at Newt swirl dot com. Newsworld is produced by Westwood One. The executive producers Debbie Meyers, our producers Garnsey slum. Our editor is Robert Broschi are researchers Rachel Peterson the artwork for the show was created by Steve penalty. The music was composed by Joey salvia special. Thanks team again, which we sixty and Westwood one's. Tim Savion and Robert Mathur's, please subscribed. A new twirled on apple podcast Spotify Google play wherever you get entertaining podcast on the next episode of neutral five g technology has going to fundamentally change the way we live our lives. Find out why it's referred to as the next industrial revolution. Newt Gingrich. 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Episode 198: Noble Nation - Part 2 (Guest - Julius Twyman)

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Episode 198: Noble Nation - Part 2 (Guest - Julius Twyman)

"Welcome to episode one ninety eight Noble Nation part to this is the rotated views podcast with Jimmy Leeann the crew, giving you life from various perspectives, welcome to our level. We hope you enjoy the views. Brought to you by the blessed lifestyle brand visit De Three. S, s dot Com to get bless also sponsored by the motivation. Unleashed this motivational mixed your fuel for success available on all platforms. Albright, you are now to into the rotated podcast I. Am your host Judy leave less I'm here with gay and Julius Noble Nation Heart. Who? In this episode Special Guest Julius twin owner of Noble Nation, we cover topics and range from entrepreneurship active combat gear the MMA industry, the effects of the corona virus, and much more. We wrap the episode up with quotes from hope. Hicks an Anderson Selva guys for new thanks for joining us, doping at the download subscribed jumping new episode every Tuesday morning for your listening. Listening pleasure kicking things off a little bit of housekeeping guys We are using the application zoom so obviously. Our sounds won't be up to par as usually is so thank you for bearing with us, but more importantly is our content, and that's why we have the special guest that we always have on end worksite had Julius on here man. Thanks for joining us. No problem. Thank you for having me. Absolutely, absolutely had to follow up Obviously we follow each other and I love following. You know everything that you do. We love to support each other so again. Thank you, but You were featured on episode one thirty four so for those who have not had a chance to listen to that episode. Let them know who you are what you do. Aren't so my name is Julius I'm and I, pretty much created brand noble nation I, I guess I'll jump right into it by saying that I was always an athlete throughout my entire life, and I was always an artist and I wanted to find a way I. Could you know come? Together. So since I'm always athletic gear on decided to design athletic gear in, you know have fun with it art takeover. Absolutely, absolutely, so, how did you get started specifically in this industry? so originally I, just wanted to the training gear, and that is still the goal. Could I wanted to be for any type of sport, any person personal training in the gym, but it kind of took off in the world before any other type. Industry I started in it local boxing gym in Bristol called. My friend owns it so. I, was there in one day kind of clicked lie designing. Clothes for pretty much everybody when I have a niche right here. Everyone's always talking about a niche when you start a business. Right in front of me was professional enemy fighters in folk figures in. Kind of just click like make clothes for them. They're here. They're interested. Right on cater. Would I have before me? Kinda took off from there. So obviously I, love the name Noble Nation, but explain the folks at that wasn't the initial name. No, it wasn't the initial named initial with mobile native. And I fell in love with that name a Lotta so excited to have such a cool name. Right I was online like everyone always is due diligence. The your research and I continue to research in eventually came across the store while. Noble native without the S. A pretty much just like. Burn me down on the inside of the on. Time use this name anymore. Bill, The name to something very. Very similar because I didn't want to completely change the logo and you know I wanted to. I wanted to be very close, so people could feel. Follow along and not be shocked by a complete changes everything. Much. Pretty much took the name from a with people were mid, calling mobile native. A lot of people were accidentally calling it noble nation. saw like that's easy. Switch already calling it by that name I take it. And specifically, what do you currently sell? Did you start off so? I am reciprocally on. T shirts it was waiting. Getting sued the industry and. Like starting off, you know what I mean to have a lot of money so I went to Walmart Walmart, and bought literally all shirt off. Neurath like had shirt in every color and I've spent like. I. Don't know how much money beginnings one or two shirts. Initially twenty five dollars total, but when people started lighting research had at one back in A. Rack of low mortgage just. The and that's pretty much. The brand started with seven teacher because I couldn't afford anything at the time, but you know times have changed and Kinda upgraded from t-shirt. Absolutely and then, and then what do you currently celts? I know you have a lot of one offs. Right so you guys sponsor some fighters us. You make specific gear for them. you know kind of go through that little variation? Are So it's kind of one of those things were in the beginning. I was out kind of please. Everybody was interested so. I have a a grounded set of this is what I. Only thing I feel. Your Dog Quite they're kind of catering. The. Custom? Custom that and I'm like sure. No problem got it. You know and so when you see either fighting or practice or bite. Like! You know that they're only on. Have, but there in front of. Thousand. People make sure whatever you want, but for people were interested in order for me. at the website unify sweat. GOT INTO MAKING I'll also got into the finer details of laser. Not just like buying a shirt like this I was more likes I'm going to change the color of this lead. Stretch for ways. TWIX! You know and I would try it on like thing. and. We had acted. Only five were definitely want to get back into like huge bat. Well. Anything pretty much training. We're trying to accommodate. I love it so so I know you do a lot social media. Obviously, you're a creative person Will you have a lot of fun with your Promo Videos? Explain your process where the creativity comes. You just look like you're have thought. So. Like I will actually when doing something trading general, even like the brand of mobile nations. Like overall I. Actually think of a person or character, or like the movie scene or something like that. And I try to get into character. Get into five of the. Did a little I did a video before running through a tunnel and it was very. Dark and life the life coming through the tunnel and you can hear it. Grab one of. My! But that was really into those types of movies. Like. Scary Movie Thriller Thirty Year All the various mall. Sound kind of just played off of that, so allow my. A artistic part of home for Megyn it movie. In creating character mice. I Love I love it. That's cool, so you get kind of inspired, and then you tail off from there. That's pretty cool So I know you guys were sponsoring fighters in the past. Are you still currently doing that or you? Just kind of moved on from there just gotTa what you did a new beginning at a where you are. Though I'm still on fighters. The only differences that I'm currently sponsoring or on a much larger scale like A. Girl named Maranda matter and she by for INVICTA. And she just. E. U Of. The veterans believed in a UFC calling on her I is go up there so. Now associated with. You know. Plenty highest had many people. Works. That's awesome and are you still kind of catering to what her needs are or your? Your don't want just specifically for her And then you just Kinda you know talent town on your website, something the general public, but for her. She has her colors. She has her own style or theme. When she fighting when the fighters are actually fighting, if they're allowed to wear like a custom by. USC where everybody. But. In UFC in Laos to wear. Any brands bill wear my and out of usually work with them with you color billions. But you know what I mean like Oscar. School was at and. If, they spur to wear something. Like our creative from short. I already got at like. That than. Bennett, cheeses. Eight M m what. Do that wear something. I are being you the public money presenting right there ocean, but. If they were in custody. Unlike all the year and everything like that will be raised. Everything that they need to train can't be. Absolute. That's so awesome So currently were facing a pandemic. In with the virus and a lot of you know the fights and everything has whose poem on Hiatus and now recently they started. You know some fights back up What's your take on all of this? That's you know we'll go on. His wild great and sports almost come came to a halt. Any getting. Short. We'll get over. It is really quickly. not seeing the severity of is growing. At all really. GonNa do it. For, a while and I know grants imitating export. Aren't that important? But you know being at the ever since the ages. Every year, my life playing sport of doing thumb paddle ever know how important small things are. Taken away. Like. He was Not Fight you know putting on of decided about it, but I was also a little concerned about the health. Of the fighters. They're not just walking by other. Alleys sweating in. On each other, but I was excited. Some form of concerts. Yeah! Absolutely, you're right. Obviously, the health of the fighters help everybody, but man took this little break, and it kind of realize you did mention sports. Is Everything realized the role that does play. It has like this, I. Don't know if like what we were kids. We look forward to X. Y. and Z., and this was part of our transitions kind of look forward to sports. You know and I wasn't really. We're not really people. Watch you. Know grew to TV twenty four hours a day. On the weekend for a fight he looked. We look forward to that stuff. Just fun even going to like the live events and we don't even know how. That's GONNA. Are they still going to have those we all to be masked up? I don't know but but you know. How has it affected Your Business? Have you switched some things up? You know what has been your approach, we. We're in the middle of this. Business actually about to drop a spring summer release at the beginning of this. And I. Literally caught up. My friend would like. Would you think if I should put everything on hold? With you mean like this corona via things, a little bit more serious than. I was just eating and I think it will be elders, or they are. Morals will be in the wrong place. We're trying to get money from people. Jobs and you know what I mean like we're trying. From, people who have already been paid out of the you should be a healthy people, though at least you kind of site. In reworked what we're doing here in the next couple of months and has. So the same thing happened to us gus lifestyle brand. GAVE KNOWS One of the biggest requests that we're getting is a specific kind of Hank top that that women I guess use when they're working out, called the razorback, a tank, top and They also inquired about specific color. They want to and my chip it the the shirts or whatever the tanks come in, and this whole thing happened and it was like. Oh. We kind of got stuck and then kind of moved it, and we had the same mindset man. I don't WanNa be pushing You know something for you know a selfish reason, so let me hold off on that, and then like you said we kind of just switched up. You know what you know what we were doing. And then we started raising money. Obviously, my brothers Barshop but yet it really did affect everybody in a really. Strange way because we are living in some like odd times and you had to adjust. You'd want to and even with us like with you. You have a website. People still buy stuff online. But don't feel Kinda. I Dunno, it just didn't feel rights to me neither. It was strange because the thing I decided to make face mask and I wasn't the best face mask maker in the beginning but over. Out. For the machines like no lie I would spend eight to nine hours sitting at a machine, figuring it all out and cutting in redoing things and sewing, trying to during their so we. FACE MASKS! And I want to those and then even pardon me out bad about selling the. This is something people need. People. Not Get sick and not catch the virus, but it was. So much money to get it. That I had to charge something. Okay so I figured out good things Char's. Bias effort field. Sir and getting it and putting it in their check with other people. or so founded by sounds comfortable with and. Did. People. Put him up with website. Yeah. No, that was awesome and I I thought I was like. Maybe we gotta get. Back on the show. Because the. Small Businesses It's scary man, because something like this could either make you a break you and what? I saw a from you in that moment. You were very open to what you were doing. Your kind of show in the world that you're still going to work on something you're still going to help in some form or fashion, and you had crazy dough combos with a colors How did you come up with? You? Know like the different colors that you ask because there's a creating variety there that it matched, but it was super unique. Literally want to the fabric store wanted to join average out Joann fabrics. I wanted to score like every day within the earth two weeks so much so that even at work their new money by by the end of the first week and Just walked grew and go like Philanthropic Brampton, fabric does that will be so amongst gene us and. Let me not just to. Plaque in yellow and white, really big on those colors. Let me not do. Third, grabbing a few paint-splattered ones and border color one reflective in He's of fabric and I made some baked mascot it to get my mom. Active people don't know that I initially started sma. Mom worked at the VA AND Faked mass and let me make you a fake man. My. Dad was like hey. I'm still working in a warehouse there. The bunch of people can I feel what? Went and made them to each and then from there their coworkers wanted. You know what I I gotta sit the whole business right now. Roussel stopped trying to sell people this new release. We want to go with his base mass meal. You're asking Skaters in people so walking through the fabric stores. Kind of how came recover combinations. Honoring a mess. It's amazing so here so many times where you know things happened by coincidence by accident, or despite necessity right and you found the need you know there's opportunity there a lot of people won't. You know jump at the opportunity in a positive way your you know your created the mass to help and and you know I just want to commend you on that, because a lot of people are just kind of crawl it in and kind of feel bad for themselves. Might my physicist going down the drain here? We go again but you kind of just then with the time so to speak he played your parts and you. You provided something that people really did need. And I remember in the beginning. How panicky people were with the whole mask thing? You literally couldn't find a mass anywhere and then people started. You know making them but I think you're one of the first people who in my mind when I look back at that you that we're two weeks whatever that was. You had the most creative looking ones in. They're actually fashionable and. Oh. It's Kinda. Cool to wear. You know what I mean you know. People started matching outfits and stuff. It was crazy. Yeah they definitely third is going at that I the of crazy patterns. Then things I try not. Like imagery Kerrigan's fourteen the so, but definitely I I think artists any or The this dislike, Weirdo loves to. have on with almost anything that I do. It was kind of again I. DON'T WANNA. Do the black or white math like? Little Boring. Let me let me get to match my mom. was doing small things like that and I know my Nietzsche's favorite color. Like Megan small ones for her to match with. She had a that kind of coffee I, because it wasn't the normal blue. Yeah, that was awesome. To Jewish. Tell us when you know. When we come out of this We're GONNA. Come out on top, but when we come out of this. What's your plan for Noble Nation? Where would you like for you to be here or your take towards anyway ideally? I feel like for Nova. Nation I kind of branded the entire. Company as an enemy or fighting. And I kinda stuck under that film so hopefully by the end of this toward the end of twenty twenty. Have rebranded as the. Initially wanted to be. Because I think people are afraid to will end these people who've crossed spoken with me. Relax I would love to bought sir, but I'm not a fighter and I. Don't WanNa. Pretend to be as mayor I. Don't WanNa and I'm like. Actually gear, you can train I. I've had tennis teams where research out as a whole team competing. In the gym all the time when I go to work out there, so I think I need to read Asian as the fitness. And provide. Office. and. You can have more people joining a nobility, right. arch so so with everything going on. How have you been managing right so I? I don't know how specifically it affected your your day job with with the corona virus and all that stuff. How are you even just keeping your sanity? How're you kind of like? There's a lot a lot of stuff going on. A lot of us were forced to stay home for question time, so it was still able to go to work, you know. How are you know on your day to day? Are you? You know keep things push. Enemy getting a kind of when everything I stopped in can't come in over January. I was like all right. This is this is time for me to kind of go back to my cave. On. This is all said and done I. Can you know step forward again? And so I made? I wouldn't has to make a going to work in his drive everything out, so I was kind of excited for a moment. Just focus on. Your case long, yourself isn't good. Didn't know call with friends and family asking them about. Things, aside from the business you know with our life and every once in a while. Also business owner and ask them for vice. What would you think about this and? You know we're. Should I read both that is. Because I'm still brand new to this I am literally. Bending in most in changing, go along I. Think I have an idea and on the way on my. Work! I want to ask you that. Because I find with like most creative people, even entrepreneurs in general who have to be a creative. Filter through all those ideas you. How do you choose one that you're going to go with? Is it through two conversations that you're having with your friends. I again I remember early when I said I kind of had an ideal creating song. I'll give out with my little. One of my even it like no nation I created a guy. Right in this guy has a name, the attitude we. Talk dressed the car he was driving. So when nine something I'm designing it for that person. Right out. Get like two or three designed. Don't let them. On two or three, then I'll ask one out there. Saying you ask other people that are paying early on about Your Business, jubilant beach getting pounded tonight is. Is just too much. Turn for. or Anyone the pain. A love that great advice and the other thing is sometimes even your ideas aren't developed enough or strong enough, so someone's opinion could totally sway bowed out the window and there goes win. That could potentially be your winter, or the one that could take you to the top so to speak It's great advice. What's your advice? additionally to someone who's looking to start their own business whether it's a clothing line whether it's anything else what advice would come to things you went through for the last several years. that you could lend to someone who's looking to get started. I guess one thing that I wish. Someone told me was Not GonNa Nail Your I. It's not going to is not gonNA stay in bed. Stay. It may actually feels peel off in a little bit. I would tell someone to not not gee. Afraid to fail like not be afraid had right, and I'm such a perfectionist, and like I have a very obsessive minds detail. Sometimes they're like I won't release something. Very Long Time. On that is is eight months and I'm like. You'RE NOT GONNA get it or not gonNA like. Put. Down to the point where it's like I'd be willing to be wrong. Feelings of sales and understand that else coffee. In the process. Absolutely. Can you share your state or your? Your social media handles where people can visit you guys. The website itself is Nobles Dash Nathan Dot Com. There's no www in. You're not going to my website. Over. Dash Nation Dot, com and pretty much all social platform is not a nation eighty. I thought he can be just. Almost every. Noble nation a CG RIGHT ARCO so Do you have any parting words at closing words you like to say? Like all the people who are in these times right now, 'cause you know we're GonNa Pandemic and God knows asking the United States are. Playing right now you know turmoil. In any people always kind of go like Oh, there's vast forever and they don't see a way out of the whether you know was on his. Self this of. Don't give up on hope. You know always hope for something better prepared for better prepare for change right like things are going to get better would tell people whether business perspective or an outlook on life. He hopes his influence. Appreciate that. May We need these positive worst earnings tough times? Thank you. Julius thank you for joining us. and again as always guys, we'd like to wrap things up with quotes and the first one is by hope Hicks. There's no substitute for hard work. Never give up, never stop. Believing never stopped fighting. And the second one is by our Guy Henderson Silva, life is about how much you can take and keep fighting how much you can suffer and keep moving forward, not nation par Tunis Episode Special Guest Julius Climbing owner of Noble Nation covered top range of entrepreneurship active slash combat, geared industry, the effects of the corona virus, and much more rap, the episode up quotes from Hope Hicks and Anderson. Awesome guys, thanks again for joining US rotated podcast was produced for self pelvic purposes. Cute shout out to our sponsors. This episode is brought to you by the blessed lifestyle brand. That is the ELP three S S. 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Caesar Crossed the Rubicon - Jan. 10, 49 BCE

This Day in History Class

06:28 min | 1 year ago

Caesar Crossed the Rubicon - Jan. 10, 49 BCE

"I'm Katie golden. I studied psychology and Evelyn Schnur biology at Harvard, and I pretend to be a bird on Twitter and my new podcast creature feature. We've you nature in man from a new perspective each episode asking a comedian to get inside the minds of animals, so we can explore the startling connections to human psychology, you'll find blood bands and treachery that make game of thrones seemed like a dumb show for babies. Join us every Wednesday and subscribe on apple podcasts or on the iheartradio app or wherever you listen to podcasts. Welcome to the stay in history class from how stuff works dot com. And from the desk of stuff you missed in history class. It's the show where we explore the past one day at a time with a quick look at what happened today in history. Hello and welcome to the podcast. I'm Tracy b Wilson in it's January tenth Julius Caesar crossed the Rubicon on this day in the year. Forty nine BC today crossing the Rubicon has become an idiom in the English language used to describe making a really difficult decision or taking a really important step something that you just can't turn back from. And so this might conjure up images that the Rubicon was a really dangerous mountain range or some kind of treacherous chasm. But really it was a river and not even a particularly large river. Sometimes it's described as not much more than a stream. It was the context that made it such a critical point of no return, the Rubicon marked the border between Italy and Gaul gall included a lot of what is France and northern Italy today. And after a long and complicated political history. Julius Caesar had been given a thority over part of Gaul, and then he had conquered the rest of it and through this expanding military conquest he had started amassing enough power to turn back home toward Rome. He had an eye toward remaking the Roman government to suit his own purposes was because of both his activities in Gaul in the way, he hit handled his affairs back in Rome. He basically earned enough money. All this conquest a higher agents to see his interest there. Of course, this growing power of Julius Caesar was a threat to other powerful. People back in Rome back in the year. Sixty BC Caesar Pompey and Crassus had all formed an alliance together known as the first triumvirate and as Caesar had become more and more powerful. That alliance had really started to crumble, see. Caesar had really been the negotiator between Pompey and Crassus, but as puppy became more distrustful of Caesar he can really fill that role anymore. And then Crassus was killed in battle in the year. Fifty three leaving just Pompey and Caesar and various factions within the Senate all trying to amass the most power all with their different goals and different ideas about how Rome should be run. This led to a series of very complicated negotiations and tensions until the Senate resolves that both Pompey and Caesar needed to lay down their military command simultaneously. They voted on this matter and December. I the fifty BC but the next day Roman consul guys Claudius Marcellus defied the Senate offered Pompey command of all of Italy's. Armies was basically him taking sides between Caesar and Pompey. Caesar once again said that he and Pompey should give up their commands at the same time simultaneously, get both of them on the equal footing disarmed together. But the Senate had changed their perspective. They had basically taken Pompey side and resolved that if Caesar did not disarm himself. He would be an enemy of the state. A new governor had been elected for Gaul Caesar was under direct orders to lay down his arms, and that brings us to the Rubicon. If Caesar crossed the Rubicon with the thirteenth legion crossing from Gaul into Italy at this point, this would be considered an act of war. It was an irreversible decision in a point of no return in the account of Suetonius quote. He snatched trumpet from one of them and ran to the river with it, then sounding the advance with a piercing blast. He crossed the other side at this Caesar cried out let us go where the. Of the gods and the crimes of our enemies sumus. The die is now cast this action on Caesar's part led to a civil war which Caesar one at the end of it all declaring I came. I saw I conquered quite famously Pompey was killed during this process in the year. Forty eight BC Caesar returned to Rome as a dictator, although that conquest had not ended until the year forty five BC and on the odds of March forty four BC less than a year later Caesar was assassinated, thanks to Casey Perriman Chandler maze. For their audio work on this show. You can subscribe to this day in history class on apple podcast Google podcast iheartradio app. And we're every get your podcast, and you can tune in tomorrow for a landmark cork argument. Hi, I'm Ariel Casten. I'm Jonathan Strickland and together we're going to tell you the stories behind some of the biggest triumphs and failures business. That's right. We're going to explore situations that tested the metal entrepreneurs pivotal moments required making decisions. We'll be talking about some big companies that everybody knows like Disney LEGO and Harley Davidson and together we try to answer the question. What do you do when you find yourself at the brink? Listen and subscribe at apple podcasts or on the iheartradio app or wherever you listen to your podcasts.

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