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Julie Foudy, '91 & '99 World Cup Champion

The Sporting Life with Jeremy Schaap

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Julie Foudy, '91 & '99 World Cup Champion

"This is the sporting life on ESPN radio and the ESPN app. Here's Jeremy chef. The women's World Cup underway in France. We're talking team USA, which kicked off its ornament with a thirteen zero thrashing of Thailand, and we welcome now a reporter on the scene. The great the one and only Julie Foudy Julie, thank you for joining us. My pleasure. Jeremy Julia, I want to talk about the controversy at some point in our conversation. But first, before we get to that, in before we get to how you're enjoying yourself in France. What did we learn about this US women's national team from its performance in its tournament opener against Thailand? We learn, they can score a lot of goals. That's for sure. You know, the interesting thing, too is in their in their send off games like the few into for they were coming over here. They were struggling a little bit offensively. So part of me thinks that was in reaction to them being the last first game to kick off. They were in the last group, and they waiting. They've been watching, and they literally had all this every time I'd see him in town and our little cute town of Ron. They, they were like, oh my gosh. We can't we can't wait to going. So maybe it was a little bit of energy that they needed to get out and thirteen goals worth of it east. The team doesn't end up winning the whole thing again for the second consecutive tournament. Also after having reached the finals eight years ago against Japan. What is going to hold this team back, Julie, I would say probably the one area that is still a question Mark when they play tougher teams obviously, you don't see it. Against team like Thailand. But their back line against better teams this year has been uncharacteristically leaky and a little bit, boomer -able. They gave up three goals to Australia three goals to France, actually lost three one to France in January in France. So, and that's atypical, of course of this US team and they and they also have a, a new goalkeeper in with hope so little being gone. And listen there who has never played a World Cup minute. Although she has been on a World Cup squad. So I would say the one area owner ability for this team is probably the back line, and listen there. But having said that it's all relative, right? Comparatively. This is a really good team. We're speaking with the great, Julie Foudy the World Cup champion herself. She's the host of the laughter permitted podcast for ESPN audio Julia views, many of the biggest names in sports. It's always. Always a pleasure talk soccer with you. We got to cover together, the euros three years ago in France, which was a great, great thrill for me to get a chance to work with you, four years ago there were some breakthrough stars for the US the team played very well. I guess Julie Johnson was it was one of the breakthrough stars of the tournament who who do you see a merging as household name, and women's soccer, this time around from the US team Germany's when, when the US law and the Olympics in two thousand sixteen and they went up early the ever have a lot of people forget that, you know after them winning the World Cup. They have this crash being they, they lost Sweden in the quarterfinals. Coach jealous said, gosh, the one thing we need is, we need more creative offensive types of midfield, especially, so the young players that are in their first World Cup who actually did super well in that Thailand game which. Was great for the team are that she brought in our live, Al, who's a young kid from Cincinnati, and Lindsey Horon who actually played for PS g here in Paris, for many years when she graduated from high school rather than go to college. And, and then you saw Samuel as well who is someone who put into goals and is in her first World Cup. So you had five goals coming from that midfield. Three were all in their first World Cup and had a swagger to them. You know that that felt like they were in their fourth World Cup those guys. And, and I think that's a great sign for the United States because it has of young creative, energetic players that can break down compact defenses, which we see me without some problems with the reaction to, to the drubbing into the way, the US team celebrated has been mixed. Obviously some people say. There in the World Cup. Let them celebrate have fun. This is as big as it gets. That's it others saying scoring that many goals. That's totally appropriate and expected in a tournament in which goal differential matters and others saying they went overboard. What it, it you're around this team every day, you know, you know, these players, what were your thoughts you saw? What was happening on the field? Are I phoned the camp of scores? Many goals as you can. It's not a friendly. Right. It's not one of those meaningless games where, you know, you get to eight mill and you're like, yeah, okay. Maybe we should start playing wanted to touch passing around. This is the World Cup differential medal matters. Right. So obviously, you don't wanna stop. And then all of a sudden you look back and go, but Sweden scored two more than us because they kept pouncing, and we'd been so I don't mind the goal line. But the thing that I actually when I was watching I was like, really thirteen when Alex scores were fickle. We're doing a whole team celebration on the sideline thing. I don't I don't get that, right? I don't get, you know, Megara piano of veteran of the teen sliding in at nine goals to the bench side. So. I don't mind Mallory to in her first ever World Cup. You know giving fist pump and their celebration. And then there's over the top full of shit. And so that was my take on. It is like yeah. You wanna keep pressing and you wanna keep playing scoring but don't do a whole dance routine on the sideline that Goldmember thirteen. I don't think that's a good look. The team you'll I saw your interview with Alex Morgan the morning after where she, she defended the celebrations, but didn't seem to have any problems with it or any regrets. Can you characterize how the rest of the team felt, you know, having some time to reflect on, on what happened? No, there's part of me that love that they're not like well, yeah. You know, we may be a little carried away. They're not oppose fiving at all. I loved actually Alex Morton's interview was like no it's the World Cup. We're going to celebrate. I'm gonna celebrate Samuel getting pushed woke up. I'm gonna celebrate. Eight mile pew. So I did like that. And what you're hearing from them is this is this is part of the fabric of this team. These are the habits we've created over, you know, decades of winning World Cups, and this is what makes us so good. And we wanted to make a statement and we wanted to show the world that we're not here just to defend a World Cup title where here to attack a world title, which is the theme you hear often from them. So and I get that, right. And I love that about the American mentality because I do think that's what separates us from other teams. But again, I think there's a point where you're like, okay, do we need to be sliding and doing dances at their chain? Right. And that's you know, and yet, they're owning it. And I think that's the right thing to do respect with the great, Julie Foudy about the women's World Cup taking place. Dow in France. And, you know, one of the things over the years that people in the American soccer community if you will talked about his. To a point of maturity, and our pre she is a nation for the game which for so long. Belonged to the rest of the world in a way that we could be critical of our national teams and it wasn't. Considered some kind of heresy, you know, that, you know, there was for a long time on the men's side, especially you know, it's like booster ISM was the order of the day, and does this reflect a growing maturity about soccer, the US in subways that one way to look at it that we're having this kind of discussion about the women's national team. Yeah. It's a great point. Actually, I remember when I was the two thousand eleven or two thousand fifteen woke up by two thousand fifteen and I remember talking happy up, and I said, hey, look, you know, me criticizing you is my job right? And you, you have to be able to understand this is what I'm going to do like that. That means to me that when other people are criticizing you that it matters. And in my day, for example, Jeremy back in the nineties, and early two thousand we would be like pleased criticizes because it means you're bringing attention. Oh my. God, we been love for you to actually criticize those, and I said, you know, we were begging for that attention. So please, make the team understand that this is a great thing and not to get so been out of shape about it and not to take it. So personally and she'd have those conversations with the team, and I and I totally agree. I mean, I think it's a great sign that we're having this debate, and it's a great time for the growth of win that soccer hopefully, speaking with Julie Foudy about the women's World Cup Julie before we let you go and get back to your wind, and your crimp caramel, and your T's course. And I know you're over there with Toko. You're probably time so it never do that ever. You would never. Now, I'm thinking, tar ten there's so many options. Chilly. The US is playing chilly on Sunday. And what should we expect where, you know, interestingly enough probably Thailand Chile or to easier teams if this World Cup. And, and so for you know, we always we always pick a group of death at every will Cup. And I say, you know, well, this is group for the US, as like the group of life because you have to the easiest teams in the woke up in Thailand, which we saw, and now, chili although they are more organized, but it will be a larger score again, I think I don't think teen but probably more about four or five and but the, the real game comes down to two Weeden their game because they're the ones who are not out of the Olympics in two thousand sixteen and their legitimate team. So if the US finishes first in their group, they then most likely will go on to face France in the quarterfinal in Paris, and. We've been talking about a World Cup Frances really one of the biggest contenders, I think for the US at this World Cup if not the biggest I think they're actually favorites over the United States. That's how it's Julie. It is always a pleasure. Thank you for letting us interrupt you at dinner hour and France. It is a sacrifice truly Foudy is the host of the laughter permitted podcast, and it's always a pleasure, having you on the show. Julia have fun of France that we hope we can lean on you a few more times before the tournaments over Jeremy. I'm Jeremy shop, and you can listen to new editions of the sporting life, every Saturday and Sunday morning on ESPN radio and ESPN app, beginning at six AM eastern time.

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The Sporting Life: 6/14/19

The Sporting Life with Jeremy Schaap

00:00 sec | 1 year ago

The Sporting Life: 6/14/19

"To the sporting life with Jeremy shop. Over the next hour. New York Times horse racing writer, Joe drape explains how the twenty nine deaths of horses at Santa Anita racetrack could have been prevented. The thing that's maddening about this for anybody. Who knows and cares about the sport is this crisis could be ended within a week. If America would adopt the international standards that the rest of the world has adopted and the co author of a new book, reflects back on the two thousand nine New York Yankees the last time the Bronx bombers won the World Series, who would have known at the time. If that's the last time we're going to beat Derek jeeter, hold the World Series trophy, paper, Mariano Rivera, Andy Pettitte for eight, but it really turned out to be the beginning of something in the ADM and also the end of something with the core for celebrating the final time, plus podcast producer, Andrew Helms discusses the historic nine hundred ninety nine US women's World Cup championship team at this transformative experience where for the first time, you know, women's pro team, captured the country's imagine. Nation and, you know they were at the White House there on the cover of every magazine every morning show. This is the sporting life on ESPN radio and the ESPN app. Here's Jeremy chef welcome to another dish of the sporting life. I with the women's World Cup underway in France. We're talking team USA, which kicked off its tournament with a thirteen zero thrashing of Thailand, and we welcome now a reporter on the scene. The great the one and only Julie Foudy Julie, thank you for joining us. My pleasure. Jeremy Julia, I want to talk about the controversy at some point in our conversation. But first, before we get to that, in before we get to how you're enjoying yourself in France. What did we learn about this US women's national team from its performance in its tournament opener against Thailand? We learned they can score a lot of goals. That's for sure. You know, the interesting thing, too is in their in their sendoff games. Like the few ins before they were coming over here. They were struggling a little bit offensively. So part of me thinks it was in reaction to them being the last first game to kick off. They were in the last group, and they waiting and they've been watching, and they literally had all this every time I'd see him in pound and our little cute town of Ron. They, they were like, oh my gosh. We can't we can't wait to get going. So maybe it was a little better, gene, that they needed to get out and thirteen goals with of it east, this team doesn't end up winning the whole thing again for the second consecutive tournament. Also after having reached the finals eight years ago against Japan. What is going to hold this team back, Julie, I would say probably the one area that is still a question Mark when they play tougher teams obviously, you don't see it. Team like Thailand. But their back line against better teams this year has been uncharacteristically leaky and a little bit vulnerable. They gave up three goals to Australia three goals to France. They actually lost three one to France in January in France. So, and that's eight typical of course of this US team and they have, and they also have a, a new goalkeeper in with hope solo being gone. And the listen there who has never played a World Cup minute. Although she has been on a World Cup squad. So I would say the one area of owner ability for this team is probably the backline and listen there. But having said that it's all relative. Right. Comparatively. This is a really good with team. We're speaking with the great Julie Foudy World Cup champion herself. She's the host of the laughter permitted podcast for ESPN audio where Julia interviews, many of the biggest names in sports. It's always. Always a pleasure talking soccer with you. We, we got to cover together, the euros three years ago in France, which was a great, great thrill for me to get a chance to work with you. You know, four years ago there were some breakthrough stars for the US the team played very well. I guess Julie Johnson was it was one of the breakthrough stars of the tournament who who do you see a merging as household name and women's soccer, this time around from the US team Germany's when, when the US lost, and the Olympics in two thousand sixteen and they went out early the ever have a lot of people forget that, you know after them winning the World Cup? They had a crash on base, and they lost Sweden in the quarterfinals coach, Jill elyssa gosh, the one thing we need is, we need more creative offensive types of midfield, especially, so the young players that are in it for its World Cup who actually did super well in that Thailand game which. Was great for the team are that. She brought in our rooms Lavelle, who's a young kid from Cincinnati and Lindsey haram, who actually played for PS g here in Paris, for many years when she graduated from high school rather than go to college. And, and then you saw Samuel says, well, who is someone who put into goals and is in her first World Cup? So you had five goals coming from that midfield. Three were all in their first World Cup and had a swagger to them. You know that that felt like they were in their fourth World Cup. I was like those guys. And, and I think that's a great sign for the United States because they have some young creative, energetic players that can break down Compaq defenses, which we see me without some problems with the reaction to, to the drubbing into the way, the US team celebrated has been mixed. Obviously some people saying. There in the World Cup. Let them celebrate have fun. This is as big as it gets. That's it others saying scoring that many goals. That's totally appropriate and expected in a tournament in which goal differential matters and others saying they went overboard. What it, it you're round this team every day. You know, you know these players, what were your thoughts when you saw? What was happening on the field? I phoned the camp of scores. Many goals as you can. It's not a friendly. Right. It's not one of those meaningless games where, you know, you get to eight mill and you're like, okay, maybe we should start playing wanted to touch passing around. This is the World Cup differential medal matters. Right. So obviously, you don't want to stop. And then all of a sudden you look back and go, but Sweden scored two more than us because they kept pouncing, and we'd been so I don't mind the goal line. But the thing that I actually when I was watching I was like, really thirteen when Alex scores were fickle. We're doing a whole team celebration on the fine line dancing. I don't I don't get that, right? I don't get you know, Megara piano, a veteran of the team sliding in at nine goals to the bench side. So. I, I don't mind Mallory to in her first ever World Cup. You know, giving the fist pump and their celebration. And then there's over the top celebration. And so that was my take on. It is like, yeah, you wanna keep pressing and you wanna keep playing scoring but don't do a whole dance routine on the sideline that Goldmember thirteen. I don't think that's a good book the team you. I saw your interview with Alex Morgan, the morning after where she, she defended the celebrations, but didn't seem to have any problems with it or any regrets. Can you characterize how the rest of the team felt, you know, having some time to reflect on, on what happened now there's part of me that love that they're not like well, yeah. You know, we maybe got a little carried away. They're not oppose fiving at all. I loved actually Alex Morton's interview was like no it's the World Cup. We're going to celebrate. I'm gonna celebrate Samuel getting pushed woke up. I'm gonna celebrate. Eight mile pew. So I did like that. And what you're hearing from them is, but this is this is part of the fabric of this team. These are the habits we've created over, you know, decades of winning World Cups, and this is what makes us so good. And we wanted to make a statement and we wanted to show the world that we're not here just to defend a World Cup title. We're here to attack a World Cup title, which is the theme. You hear often from them. So. And I get that, right. And I loved that about the American mentality because I do think that's what separates us from other teams. But again, I think there's a point where you're like, okay, do we need to be sliding in and doing dances at thirteen? Right. And, and that's you know, and yet, they're owning it. And I think that's the right thing to do with the great, Julie Foudy about the women's World Cup taking place. Dow in France. And, you know, one of the things over the years that people in the American soccer community if you will have talked about is getting to a point of maturity in our appreciation as a nation for the game which for so long belonged to the rest of the world in a way that we could be critical of our national teams and it wasn't. Considered some kind of heresy, you know, then then, you know there was for a long time on the men's side, especially you know, it's like booster ISM was the order of the day, and does this reflect a growing kind of maturity about soccer the US in subways that one way to look at it that we're having this kind of discussion about the women's national team. Yeah. It's a great point. Actually, I remember when I, I think it was the two thousand eleven or two thousand fifteen World Cup. It's probably two thousand fifteen and I remember talking to happy one Bach. And I said, hey, look, you know, me criticizing you is my job, right? And you, you have to be able to understand this is what I'm going to do like that. That means to me that in when other people are criticizing you that it matters. And in my day, for example, Jeremy back in the nineties, and early two thousand we would be like pleased criticize us because it means you're bringing attention. Oh my. God we would love for you to actually criticize those, and I said, you know, we were begging for that attention. So please, make the team understand that this is a great thing and not to get so been out of shape about it and not to take it. So personally and she'd have those conversations with the team, and I and I totally agree. I mean, I think it's a great sign that we're having this debate and it's a great time for the growth of win that soccer. Hopefully we're speaking with Julie Foudy about the women's World Cup Julie before we let you go and get back to your to your wine, and your creme caramel, and your T's course. And I know you're over there with Whitall you're probably a good time. So it never do that ever. You would never. Now, I'm thinking tar ten there's somebody options. Chilly. The US is playing chilly on Sunday. And what should we expect? Well, you know, interestingly enough probably Thailand and Chile or to easier teams if this World Cup. And, and so for you know, we always we always pick a group of death at every will Cup. And I always say, you know, well, this is group f- for the US, as like the group of life because you have to the easiest teams in the World Cup in Thailand, which we saw, and now chili although they are more organized, but it will be a larger score again, I think, I don't think thirteen but probably more about four or five and but the, the real game comes down to, to Sweden their game because they're the ones who are not out of the Olympics in two thousand sixteen and their legitimate team. So if you finish his first in their group, they then most likely will go on to face France in the quarterfinal in Paris, and. As we've been talking about all World Cup branches really one of the biggest contenders, I think for the US at this World Cup if not the biggest I think they're actually the favorites over the United States. That's how it's truly it is always a pleasure. Thank you for letting us interrupt you at dinner hour and France. It is a sacrifice truly Foudy is the host of the laughter permitted podcast, and it's always a pleasure, having you on the show. Julia have fun of France that we hope we can lean on you a few more times before the tournaments over. Oh, jeremy. These these the sporting life on ESPN radio and the ESPN app. It's been a tumultuous year and thoroughbred racing and to tell us what has been going on not only in the triple crown season, but also most notably at Santa, Anita park were there have been nearly thirty horse deaths since the beginning of the meeting in December. We welcomed the one and only Joe drape of the New York Times who's been following everything in horse racing now, for, for many decades in his been an has been on the Santa Anita story in particular recently, Joe, thanks for being with us. What's going on, at Santa, Anita does does anybody know what is causing all of these deaths? Well, Jeremy, there's several factors going on here, and, you know, put them all together. There's a bit of a perfect storm, which started in January and February was worse. Rained unseasonably cold out in southern California. That's what it means. Polity started melting. But then since then it's just sort of been a comedy of errors comedies probably a tragedy of errors right here. Are they cl- the track down a couple of times came back again, these things happen? I saw you know what I think is happened to here is the weather started. The fact that they have inexpensive horses there at a racetrack that Tim, though, the head of that sent Anita was sent out there to make it more profitable. I think he had some strong arm management tactics going on to get horses out there running when they should have not probably been in the barn, and then, you know, the ongoing story that you and I have talked to over the decades is the drug culture, and, you know, the drug cultures. Tune two factors. One is, you know, the minority put a significant minority who use everything from Viagra. The human growth hormone to get an edge to win a race to. The second over bet occasion which almost everybody is guilty of, and it's the equivalent of the linebacker shooting his knee with a quarter zone shot to play the game. This goes on. There's less horses. You know, when I started this Jeremy their thirty five thousand foals born a year now, there's nineteen thousand there's more racy more every day reysen, while why is that? Why? I mean I I've been reading your reporting Joe or speaking with Joe Draper, the New York Times about the crisis, and I think that's the right word that's going on right now in this country in thoroughbred racing. Why are we going from thirty five thousand to nineteen thousand foles? Well, part of it is interest, part of it is market demand. You know, they're not selling for four million in the sales ring, any more when the which was the tastes from the gogo eighties to the mid arts, you know, the recession cool that market a little bit, and then they're serious questions about what we've done to the breed over the jazz. Ration-. So we breathe for speed on the dirt, and that is not what the rest of the world values every other jurisdiction. Pretty much is predominantly grass racing on turf. So you know what, what has happened is we've kind of been come six victims of our own success. And that has dwindled not only the full crop. The interest, you know handles down at you. You know, ten years ago, sixteen billion which betting here now we're down to eleven and, you know, pets all becomes whatever they might from arrival and part of it just lays on the industry. They've known this was going on for fifty years, at least, Jeremy, I'm looking at congressional testimony was as the rail. These same concerns been three on sale and, you know, they need to address this, and they haven't, and they got bad luck. I mean horses die. I mean. Your listeners should know. Yes. Twenty nine it's in a neat but sort of investments is five hundred a year. And when we did our series of twenty twelve we found twenty five hundred five hundred a year around the country, you're saying around the country and, you know, that's not including training accidents, and, and fidelity. So, you know, the thing that's maddening about this for anybody knows cares about the sport is this crisis could be ended within a week. If America would adopt the international standards that the rest of the world has adopted, basically, their death rate is two and a half to five times less than ours and that's because there's no race day drugs. There is checks on what kind of painkillers can be ministered and win. There's just more sense of the horses an athlete not as a commodity. And, you know, they wrap your mind around us, Jeremy. Last year in Japan. Forty one horses died. That's the whole country. That's over. Months of race dates, and we've got thirty incentive Anita, so, you know, there is a solution out there. They've kicked it down the road for forty fifty years. And now they were literally have a gun to their head for their survive on people do know out there that all it takes is six hundred thousand signatures on a petition and you can get a balanced initiative that we very simply ask should horse racing exist and out there right now. The public sediment is no, it should not exist. Speaking with Joe drape the New York Times, and Joe, you know, myself is someone who only very cagey really kind of, you know, dips his tone to the world of horse racing coverage. You know, one thing you're always told though, is how much the people in the sport love these animals how much they respect them. So, so there's a disconnect there. You know. In a sport in which in which they worship these thoroughbreds or or that's what we've always been told. Why are they allowing them to be destroyed this way to die this way? When you're saying, simple changes could save their lives. Well, the sport at kings was called the sport a kings, because it was the pastime of the very rich, DeVos. They weren't doing this for business. They were doing it for sport. Now it's a business. And yes, they love their animals, but at the same time, NFL owners may love their players on their teams. But they make sure those guys suit up and give them every, you know, medical advantage edge that you could do. It's a business, Jeremy pure and simple. And they could say they love him, and I doubt don't doubt many of them, do, but I've seen too many new crop species, and transcripts of hearings. Say they knew a horse was hurt. They put them out there anyway. And he had a pre existing injury. You know they need to make money. And this is not just the trainers, the horsemen it was up and down the chain the track wants to have full fields have more bets on these fields to state once their tax revenues. So they, they benefit if there's full fields, more money that, you know, what's happening now is, you've got thirty eight different jurisdictions and everybody's going their own way. And so the system is ripe for abuse, and it has been abused. Go drape on the sad state of affairs in the tragic state of affairs right now horse racing in the United States. No one covers the sport more intelligently than Joe drape. Joe toys a pleasure. Thanks so much for joining us, again here on the sporting life. Jeremy, thanks for having me. These these the sporting life on ESPN radio and the ESPN app. Two thousand nine the New York Yankees won their twenty seventh World Series title. It's the last time they won the World Series. Something Yankee fan certainly didn't expect back then something they never expect to go a decade without winning a championship that championship, which was unique in many aspects is the subject of a new book mission twenty-seven, a new boss. New ballpark in one last ring for the Yankees core four written by longtime, MLB dot com writers, Mark fine sand and Brian Hoke Brian joins us now, here on the sporting, like Brian. Thank you for being with us. Of course, Jeremy good to be with you, Brian, it seems like a long time ago that first season in the new Yankee Stadium that world championship with Alex Rodriguez, and Derek jeeter and Sobat the and so many others. Well, why? Why did you want to write a full analysis of that season in this book mission? Twenty-seven you know, and a lot of ways it, it does feel like it's been a long time. But it also feels kinda like it happened yesterday. I mean those memories are so fresh for me and for Mark as well. We were both on the beat that year, he worked for the daily news and may cram dot com. And so I think that, you know, as we started talking about a project that we could work together on two thousand nine kept coming up in our minds, and I think it's a year that was under appreciated that time. But just because there was so much going on the Yankees closed the old Yankee Stadium at the end of two thousand as they move across the street, they build this new one point five billion dollar cathedral, and it was, there was a lot going on there, just a ballpark alone could probably fill a book and, and the transition of all that history and how it moved across the street. But then the Yankees go in. They have this massive spending. Three they had just missed the postseason for the first time and more than a decade. They go out. They get CeCe. Sobat AJ Burnett, Mark to Shera the three biggest free agents who are on the market that year. It, it really is the last gasp, of the George Steinbrenner Yankees spending big to go get a championship, and they followed through, and they made a very smart trade for Nick Swisher. And I just think that was a fun team to be around and probably under appreciated at the time. Because as we talked about in the book you, you thought that wasn't going to be it, you who would have known at the time. That that's the last time we're going to see Derek Jeter, hold the World Series trophy, Saint per Mariano Rivera, Andy Pettitte, or a Sato, none of us knew it was gonna be their last at the time you figured they were gonna continue to win for for years and years, and they'd keep dynasty going. But it really turned out to be the beginning of something in the stadium and also the end of something with the core four celebrating for the final time. We're speaking with Brian hope who's been covering the Yankees. For a very long time for dot com. His new book written with Mark fine. Sand is mission. Twenty seven in new boss, new ballpark, and one last ring for the Yankees core. Four and when you speak of new boss, of course you mean Joe Girardi, you don't mean there's only one boss per se. What did it mean to that team to have that, that change in the manager manager's position after thirteen years, which? Oh, tori. How did that change the dynamics of the clubhouse bears actually duo meaning there? Because right, a new boss in Girardi taking over Vittori, and that I didn't go great for Joe Girardi in two thousand and eight but more, so I think that refers to how Steinbrenner taking over Alan. Hank Steinbrenner at the time taking over, you know, George as we detail in the book is health had been fading for, for a few years there, and his famous quote, was it's time to let the young elephants into the tent. So we really detail how that Howard transition took place, how gradually how. L and Hank round up making those decisions. And so even though George Steinbrenner in two thousand nine is the, the principal owner and he remained. So until his passing in twenty ten that, that's the first year that how in hanker really making all of the decisions, and so those big free agent signings came from Hal Steinbrenner's desk and directed through Brian Cashman. So we go into just how different that was, it was a much less chaotic front office at the time. You know, the, the Steinbrenner years, the seventies, and eighties really thrived on turmoil and people were getting fired left and right. And you never knew when there was going to drop and there'd be screaming matches. We, I'm Brian Cashman talks about the screaming matches that he had with George Steinbrenner. That's not the case anymore with the Yankees. They're more inclined to run it as a business. They're very thoughtful. You know, how Steinbrenner pilot always talks about viewing things from thirty thousand feet and really operating that way and delegating. So very different than in the club. House. Yeah. Very different as well. I think that Girardi brought that kind of militaristic attitude, you know, we have the, the close crop buzz-cut and, and I think it was what was needed at that time for the team, they had gotten a little lax under Joe, Tori, and Tori had obviously one so much four out of five World Series, but they hadn't won in a while, and I think that then the message get stale, and we'd see later on in Gerardi's tenure, I think that happened as well. He was the right man at the right time for that team. Maybe that didn't turn out to be the case later on as market share details in the book, but for two thousand nine that team really responded to him. He was a very hands on with the players. And 'cause this day, I I'm surprised that he's not in a major league out because I had a team I'd hire Joe Girardi. I think he's, he's so well, prepared and analytically minded and, you know, he'll manage somewhere as soon as the assembly wants to in the right opportunity, popped up and Bryant, of course, the farther this last championship. Recedes into the rear view mirror, the larger it looms in the collective memories of Yankees fans. If it turns out that, you know, it's not the Yankees birthright to win a World Series every ten years. And of course, under the ownership of George Steinbrenner, which, I, I have to say a lot of people forget, the Yankees went, what from nine hundred seventy eight till nineteen Ninety-six without winning a title eighteen years how much bigger does this team Lou loom in everybody's nostalgic. Memories of great Yankees teams why I can only speak for us and that when we were doing the research and digging back into the stuff that we wrote on the beat and two thousand nine it was so much fun. Because there are so many little nuggets and stories that you forget, and I mean, it was a fun journey. This team it was not a steamroll to the World Series championship even though they one hundred three games and then everybody remembers the World Series against Philadelphia how they wanted six games. But there's a lot of dry. In that season, especially with Alex Rodriguez having his the first time we find out about his performance enhancing drug use, and then he's got a career-threatening hip injury that he said, the first thing he did was Google Bo Jackson, and then he thought his career might be over. And then he comes back and hits a home run on the first pitch. He sees and winds up having a fantastic postseason. I think that there were there was so many other aspects of that team. And whether it was walk off victories, and the, the pies that AJ Burnett is smashing into guys spaces. I think that at the time like I said earlier, you didn't really appreciate it. 'cause you figured this was just going to be the first of many and that you bring all these great players together, and they're, they're clearly going to win, but that wound up being Hideaki Matsui's final year. He went out fantastically in the World Series. Wound up being the World Series MVP, Johnny Damon. Farewell in pinstripes the team changed in twenty ten and twenty eleven and twenty twelve even though you had. Still the jeeter's in the Mariana Rivera's and Hori zodda until he retired and then any pet, you know, it was almost like the last time you had the whole gang together. And I think that's what was so much fun for market myself putting this together and chasing these guys down and saying, some of them are still in the game. But a lot of them are not what are you doing now? Nine ten years, later and to me, it felt a lot like going to your high school reunion and catching up with guys they hadn't seen in a while and, and really just kind of telling those stories and, and the best part about it was the guys guards were down much less so than when they were active players, they were willing to share much more from that season. And I think that definitely comes through in the book, and of course, everything change in another respect in two thousand ten George Steinbrenner died. Brian hoax, new book written with Mark fine. Sand terrific look back at the two thousand nine Yankees is mission twenty-seven Brian. It's always a pleasure. Speaking to you here on the sporting life. Thanks for having joined us. You've got to Jeremy. Thank you. This is the sporting life on ESPN radio and the ESPN app. And we've already discussed the women's World Cup which is taking place. Now in France, twenty years after that remarkable breakthrough performance by the US women's national team winning the World Cup in nineteen ninety nine transforming so many members of the team into household names, their story and the aftermath of that victory is the subject of a new thirty for thirty podcasts back pass, and we're joined now by the reporter writer creator of backpass. Andrew Helms, Andrew. Thank you for being with us. Hey, thank you so much for having me. We had Julie Foudy on in the first segment talking about what's going on right now in France. She's a big part, obviously, of any story about what happened twenty years ago in the US. But if you would you would take us back into time, give us a sense frame it in the context of what was going on that summer. How big a deal it was when Br. Randy Chastain scored that penalty. Yeah. I think it's, it's hard to remember all these years later just how monumental than ninety nine World Cup was. But, you know, I remember I was in middle school at the time and, you know, every kid in the neighborhood gathered in my parents liver living room, Hawaii. Oh, great. You in middle school. I was thirty years old. I was ESPN report. I'm doing exactly now. What I was doing that. But go on. It's alright show off. Yeah. So I was in middle school. And I remember, you know, my sister was a few years older, and I remember, you know, the way she and her friends looked up to those players the way I looked up to those players and talking to Julie, Foudy and talking to Brian scurry those on the team, you know, they had been kinda laboring in darkness for years. Right. They won the World Cup in ninety one. No one paid attention. And then finally, you know, they Julie tells the story of getting on the bus going to giant stadium for the first game and they're sitting bogged down in traffic. And suddenly, they realized the traffic is stands, people are coming to see them. And so it's this transformative. Experience where where for the first time, you know, women's pro sports, a women's pro team had captured the country's imagination. And, you know, the aftermath of ninety nine it just snowballed there, where, you know, they were at the White House. They were on the cover of, you know, every magazine every morning show, and that gave them this, this, this platform where they started saying, you know what can we do next? What can we do to kind of build on this momentum and have a lasting impact to grow the game, not just for us but for future generations? And that's where the seeds of building the first women's pro league started the w USA which is what back past the podcast is all about. We're speaking with Andrew Helms about back passes new thirty for thirty podcasts. And so the assumption in the giddy moments in days in weeks after that tremendous win for the United States women's national team was that this was something to be built upon what went wrong. It's a great question. You know, I think in taking back. Everyone's kind of in those I always would say the heady days of ninety nine you know, we're in this moment where it seems as if nothing can go wrong. You've got, you know, Mia Hamm as a celebrity star in commercials with Michael Jordan, you know, they've these huge same athletes, and then bringing together the investor group was star studded. You had the founder of the league was Jon Hendricks the visionary behind the Discovery Channel he was watching the world the World Cup with family, and he's kind of, you know, motivated, he's got a young daughter, soccer, playing daughter, and thinks this is such a transformative thing for her. She should have you know these these players a platform to play the game weekend and week out. And he reaches out to the founders of two of Time Warner of continental cable vision of Comcast. You know, the biggest names in cable TV in the country, we're investing in women's pro soccer, because, you know, at the time as one of the investors said, you know, it wasn't unreasonable to think that women could be the face of soccer in America, and not men and that. There's going to be what fro soccer in America was but to get your question of what went wrong? I think it was partially that, that hubris that they, they weren't as conscious on the budget side of they needed to be in those first few years, and they spent way too much money in their first year we tell the story in the in the podcast of of, you know, they're sitting around the boardroom in the middle of the first season, and, you know, Julie Foudy told us, it was the she was on the board. And it was the come to Jesus meeting. 'cause they looked at the the budget, and they realize, oh my God. We budgeted forty million dollars for five years, and all the money is gone midway through season one. And that was a moment where they realized that these projections of, you know, we're gonna have a pro league it's going to start turning money in three to five years. It's gonna make profit. That's where I think they started to realize, like, oh, man, this is gonna cost way more. And that's where, you know, to get to the question of what went wrong, and you get to the second piece of it, which is how much does it cost to start a pro league how, how long should your time line d if you're going to build something? From scratch. And that's where you, if you compare to say Major League Soccer the men's league after five years, they were two hundred fifty million dollars in the hole. You know the the women's league after three years, one hundred million dollars in the hole. So kind of incomparable situations in, in arguably in somewhat of a better financial picture. And what was the difference? Is that Major League Soccer had a few billionaires, who are ready to step up and say, we want to we have a twenty thirty year time line, and we're gonna see this through, and that, for whatever reasons then we can get into them. Hasn't been the case on the women's side. There hasn't been a willingness from investors to lose money over ten twenty thirty years to build the fan base to build the audience, and that'll make a women's pro soccer league successful in this country. We haven't seen a women's professional soccer league succeed at the level it has in some other countries here in the US. What did the w USA experiment back in ninety nine tell us about what it will take the thing that the WFAN have was? You had the celebrity stars of ninety nine you had, you know, all these components you have these big name cable, investors. It seemed like the Albany was right. You had you had the right pieces in the water. But the, the missing ingredient was time, I remember the one of the GM's told us, she was Katie about who was the general manager of the Washington freedom. It was this July game in the third season affiliate charged with playing the Washington freedom and some somewhere in the middle of the second half Mia Hamm trip to play around the Philadelphia team and the Philly fans just started doing me a ham, and she was she was shocked. Right. Right. American soccer fans were booing Mia Hamm, but her her mind, she thought, that's what we need to develop. We need it, so that you're not just a fan of Julie, Foudy and Mia Hamm when they put on a national team kid, we need you to become a fan of the Philadelphia charge. We need you to become a fan of the San Diego spirit, where Julie Foudy played and. And that those relationships take time, you know, I think it's kind of a personal story. My dad never watched soccer going up. But if I got into it as a as, as I got older, we grew up in DC. He's now becoming a DC United fan, but it took, you know, didn't come fan, right? When that team started. It's now only, you know, twenty years into that team. His sons a fan of the sport. He's starting to become a fan of that sport, too. And those, I think that's kind of how phantom is the thing that's passed down. Right. And we need to give these these things time to, to grow, and that's what's been. So great about what, what those investors have done for major league soccer's. They've given it the time and space to breathe and grow and become a viable league. And that's, that's what's needed on the women's side of the game to Wade ended for the W USA all the recrimination 's all of the ways in which people realized it had not been handled the best possible way. Would people look at the W USA? Experiment. And then in say, I don't want any part of this. Yeah. Actually, I talked to some folks who are involved in the second integration of, of women's pro soccer, and they said it was really hard to get investors the second time around because they say, well, we tried women's pro soccer, it didn't work out. And so that was kind of a, a recurring theme of getting that, that investor group that's willing to lose money over a period of time when the narrative had been built up that this thing doesn't succeed when in reality, if you, you know, we have the budgets, we looked at all the numbers by the final season. They were they were pretty close to breaking even in a few markets. There were a few teams that really needed overhauls. It's, it's a story of like any league you know, it was working in a few places. It wasn't working and a few others. They needed to retool and learn and learn from their mistakes. But yeah, that's the challenge is just you need. You you'd never gonna get it, right. The first time you know knows pro league has a you know, come out of the gates and, and figured it out. And it's it's taken the. That longitudinal investment to, to make it work. Andrew helms's. New thirty for thirty podcast is back pass fascinating story of the nineteen ninety nine US women's national team. It's victory at the World Cup and then its subsequent efforts to build professional soccer for women here in the US Andrew. It's really been a pleasure. Thanks so much for joining us on the sporting life. Hey, thank you so much for having me. Thanks for having joined us. I'm Jeremy shop and this has been the sporting life on ESPN radio. Tune in again next weekend. We're on every Saturday and every Sunday morning at six eastern time.

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FIFA's Failures at Women's World Cup

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FIFA's Failures at Women's World Cup

"This show is presented by Hulu, which has live sports, watch live games, and all your favorite teams live on Hulu. No cable required. Live TV plan is required. Restrictions apply. Welcome to episode fifteen of ESPN AFC special coverage of the two thousand nine hundred women's World Cup in France, alongside one of nineteen women ever in the history of the world to play two hundred more international matches for their respective national teams K markup on Sebastian Kate and another player who has played over two hundred matches for a respect of national teams is laughing in the background, there's, there's Julie Foudy guys elimination soccer's here we made it to the knockout rounds. Sixteen teams left starting day. We're down to fourteen we had Germany, and Nigeria Norway and Australia as well. Getting all that stuff in a little bit. But Julie, I think the last time we spoke with you was Wednesday before the USA Sweden match or somewhere outside LA brea. Monday's game against Spain round of sixteen. We'll be in Rams. This is not really far from the harbor. So I figure okay, you know, no travel Jew is gonna stay in her hotel room. Get some extra film in on Spain. But according to your Instagram, it would seem you found other ways to pass the time. I tell you when in France, you must do what the French do you drink. Lots of champagne you go on champagne tour. I'm back in the back in actually in Ross the first city where the US started the tournament, and it is the home of champagne is, I think I pointed out prior podcast. So seventy just being a capital J journalists doing my part. I'm just happy. You know that journalists still starts the letter j after so much in pain. And I'm like. Julia, we saw we saw some kind of interesting visuals on Twitter after the US Sweden matched from lob just outside the stadium fans were having like maybe two hour waits for an Uber. I it seemed like things were getting out of control there after the game, you've been on the ground you you've been around the stadiums. How would you describe what you're seeing on, like a hosting and organization of this tournament level? Well, there's no late trains, back is what we're hearing super hard to get a taxi. I had another friend who was coming to the game said that the lines for the women to get in the stadiums were a wrapped around the stadium because they only had so many female security guards, Pat, you down and in Spain. I'm sorry. And in France, you have to you have to have a female who does this jury search of every woman coming in, and they apparently didn't hire a female, not realizing there would be a lot of women who wanna actually watch football code that. That's what it is. Yeah. That no one's prevent act. While text about the female Pat game. Oh, yeah. That was pre-game. I heard post game though is people stuck. You know, some people saying they didn't get into Paris until the middle of the night, because it didn't get back. It couldn't get a cab. And I don't I'm seeing on Twitter. I haven't heard this from fearful, but that the, the local organizing committees, haven't added any late drains and so weird. I don't know if they didn't anticipate the numbers that would be coming. But as you guys have heard me talking about, and conc- and here. I mean, there's thousands of US fans come into these games and, and filling these stadiums. I mean it's, it's literally a home game for the US. And when we're we were doing live hits with a bunch of the American outlaws. It's, you know, it's thousands of fans chanting and marching into the stadium together. It's awesome. But I don't think they anticipated. I I'm guessing I don't know. You talk about the US crowds been impressive. The Dutch crowds have been impressive as well. A reporter for the Associated Press. Rob Harris pointed out on Twitter earlier today, that over the last two weeks, fief is official Twitter account. Has only tweeted once about ticket sales, and of course attendance, and the lack of attendance has been a big talking point at the tournament. I Harris points out that this is despite no round of sixteen games being sold out. According to him at the time of the tweet any actually goes on to mention that some within FAS council or privately criticizing the tournaments marketing strategy. Julia of heard stories of nineteen ninety five in Sweden people who are covering that term insane. You could walk around at tourney around Sweden at the time you wouldn't even know that the tournament was going on certainly compared to what we saw four years later in the United States in one thousand nine nine. What are you seeing on the ground in terms of like tickets and the tournament being advertised and marketed as you might expect? Doing a terrible job of marketing. I completely agree with rob Harris, you cannot if you wanted to walk up to a stadium you cannot on game day go up and by ticket, even if they're available you have to get him through the portal, and it's really convoluted to get them through the report on what he actually reported rob Harris earlier in the turnament is they misquoted. How many actual games were sold out early on and their marketing push and so people got discouraged, thinking that couldn't get tickets. And then they amended that, you know, just a couple of weeks before the tournament saying, oh, you know, wasn't actual twenty games that were so loud. It's only this many games, fourteen or whatever it was so. Yeah. And, and, you know, the, the thing as we know having covered them inside of fairness, when you when you fly into, you know, Charles de Gaulle for example in Paris at the for euros or if it's for World Cup their signs everywhere. Welcome. Mm to the world com. You don't find that here. And for all the hype faith has made about this is going to be the game changer for the women's game. They haven't backed it up in my opinion, with any marketing in our little town of Ron. It's not little, it's probably a couple of hundred thousand but it's not Paris, for sure. I mean you see a little bit more because they have they have a very centralized city center, but no sign Jim Paris. I saw of very little in lahar, which is a big port city. So it's, it's frustrating to say the least when you're sitting on billions of dollars that you can't invest in making this feel like it's something like it should be, which is, you know, the most important tournament in the world for women's soccer goes to the controversy that goes up with all the scheduling conflicts that FIBA has decided to have during the women's robot Medica finals. Yes. Aim day Gold Cup final same day. And it's almost like too many balls up in the air, that they have split their marketing focus, right? And without that totally. I mean, they would never actually treat it. They treat it like it's just a use. You know, it's an under twenty one World Cup or an under seventeen World Cup. That's what I feel like that's how that's kind of work falls on that list. And this is not to say, right. I think a lot of people staff, you know, get get there, the hair up on their back when we start criticizing because they do a lot of good work, right? They do there's a lot of women and men inside. She's doing great work. But when the priorities at the top of my opinion are not to support it as it should be, then it's hard. It's really hard and it shows, right? And this isn't the only instance, right? The VAR rural out in how they decided to execute the VAR rollout, and they didn't even do it at not in their certain persons under twenty one tournament. That's going. On for the men that they're not using bar in all the situation that they're using it for the women. So again, it's another. It's another evidence. They can say all they want that. You know, this is the marquee event. This is the watershed moment, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, but proof, you know, actions speak louder than words and right now all those actions, do not point to an alignment with that. Yeah. Yeah. Put your money where your mouth is. She's enjoying the Ron. Well, I can tell look, let's go. Let's go down this road just a little bit. It's been a big talking point. We you know we're watching a game that Germany Nigeria game this morning like the thirty third minute of that game. There's a mistaken identity. V. A R. Right. It's like the third use of VR and ten minutes. You get the camera shot of Alexander Popp laughing. The fans will whistling which, you know, in Europe is a boo. Julia. I wonder what you think not necessarily about the implementation. I do want to discuss that, but I want to kind of keep it separately. Just what you're feeling what you're thinking about V A R right now. It's definitely having a positive impact on the results of games. Maybe we're getting more just results. But from the players look us from viewers experience man. It is it is really having a negative impact. I have to say more than I've ever felt about VAR before. Yeah. And I, I didn't love bar in Russia, but, but you didn't hate it. You didn't hate it, and hate it did not hate it. And it and I felt like okay it's it had its purpose. This feels way overused way too nitpicky, there's no room for human error. I mean, there's no common sense in it. It's like in part of that. The case point is it hasn't been tested. And you're introducing in enacting new rules in that, you know, people say, oh, but they've passed them in March. Yeah, but haven't barked us to them. They just actually became official June first, so a week before the tournament without VAR testing. I'm in any other youth tournament. You know, you, you have these really I mean cut talk about getting stuck in the minutiae. Of you know, whether you're an inch or two off your line. It's just I find it so ridiculous. So it's yes, it's annoying me right now if you can't tell you know what I love that Nigeria game. And I was like, come on. I know what I love though is that it took the Premier League to basically say, we will not be using our to test goalkeeper stepping off their line because they just saw tested in the women's World Cup. Right. That's why they did it. And, and so we're not gonna do that. And then all of a sudden the next day, right comes out with this, which has never ever happened in the middle of a tournament and want me to go into the details of the I fab, press release the more detail oriented. So you should just cut and paste from actually, the, the physical press release here. It was a temporary dispensation. No cautions for goalkeeper encroachment during kicks from the penalty, Mark. Then they went and listed, the main reasons for the temporary dispensation. I love there was three of them like the first one was the presence of ers acts, as a far greater deterrent than the caution keta point. I think that you made either on yesterday, maybe the day before show, but the point of this, I five memo is that all of these reasons are things you would find out in a test. Which should you know Kate that's the point that, that you've been making. And that is that no World Cup is an acceptable testing point. Julia, we, we, we mentioned it with the scheduling we heard it with the ticketing snafus now. We're talking about VR is this just another example. We, we've kind of gone around, we're like fief is dropping the ball. It's again on a women's events and like whether there's malice behind it or not. It's just like at what point can we no longer coincidence? Yeah. Yeah. I mean it too. I mean it's what we've always been fighting right? You, you. Sometimes it's not even a conscious bias. It's not like they, they come in going how we're gonna screw the women in this. Right. It's, it's just they don't think about it. It's not a priority. It's not top of mind and, and it shows I mean it shows in these types of things, and, you know, they will say, well, look, we told you we didn't want, you know, institute bar to this tournament because at been tested. But if they're thinking about adding it to the men's World Cup in two thousand eighteen right? Then they should be thinking about adding it to the women's World Cup and -ticipant ahead of time that we need to start training, these referees, we need to start testing us for rules and laws. And but they don't think that way, right? They don't and it's and it's an afterthought. And that's what constantly frustrate. Rates female players is everything is an afterthought with fee. And although we're seeing if you just give a little bit of investment. Look at these countries rallying around these teams is just still, it's too little and too late in my opinion. I love temporary dispensation because I've only hear that as a Catholic Atlante on Friday like that is the only time I've ever heard those two words, used outside of a religious like edict, I was on this one and you know what I love I love that everyone can have different opinions. And we've talked about narratives in crafting, narratives and making sure that the correct ones I love that cat. Whitehill today like went off on our how it's being used because that's different than what we're hearing in the studio. Like, like it's the goalkeeper they should know what's the law? They're breaking in all four the people agreed. And I'm sitting here. I'm like three of you have been recent players. It is very difficult to change behavior that quickly. Right. And then I saw someone. Today. Tweet a guy that people are following me like you should know better than a kick. Somebody in the box when that PK was called, which was the right call in the PK befall of the follow through. But here's my thing, Jewison, you tell me and Sebastian not to discredit how good of a soccer player you are. But we have a zero international appearances for. Mexico jacket on right now, Jack when you're following through right? As a defender, anybody when you're trying to clear a ball, and you're gonna use your instep, because you have the time to get your foot work right to use your stuff at the very end. Raise your in stepped usually goes up. Yeah. And with the players clearing. I mean it was the right call today. It wasn't the right call when Norway got a penalty called against against France. Francis, second, VR calling. Yep. Yep. VR is there assist leader for France right now? But the foot goes up and it goes into a player in there. Like, you know, listen, the referee is, like, whoa, there, stud shouldn't be up. And I'm like, has anyone ever actually kicked a soccer ball before that when you're clearing it and the end range of the end step clear, you, do you, you unlock your ankle at that at the end point? Otherwise, you have to do the hop like the, you remember like the Johann Croix, like whatever the campsite, Lil does. Right. The where you learn how to like hit the ball, instead like you do that whole instead process like any land on your shooting kind of thing. And so I'm sitting here on my who made these rules today was the right call but just hearing I just I think there's another player didn't didn't quite get the whole ball today. But for sure Norway did. She got the ball and then she followed through. So, yeah, I agree with you. It's like it's hard to stop yourself. Mid swing when you're clearing a ball like that in a box crowded and you're gonna hit people, sometimes so. Yeah, I agree. It's and these, these little things, I think, with human. I you just keep going you play, you know, the referee season or she doesn't, but when you're, you're, you're nitpicking such little things all the time. It's just too much Giuliano that, you know, I wanna get to the USA Spain, knockout round match and a little bit. But there's some other news today that both Keeton. I found interesting, of course Australia out of the World Cup. But their star players Sam Kerr is reportedly mulling over an offer from Chelsea two years. One million dollar salary is is what's reported from Chelsea, and I want to look at this from a from a national women's soccer league perspective because that's where she plays right now. Splits her time between the N W league in Australia. With all this attention now being placed on the women's game which is a positive and with all these big clubs in Europe, which are now starting to either pay attention by forming a team or pay attention by putting more money into their teams. Are you at all worried about the future of the N W Salvat that Jewish not going to be the league that it is now in terms of its place in the global game? Oh, absolutely. I was just having this conversation with some media here because we're all staying together at, you know about incurs gone. You know, I'm surprised she's still with the end of your cell. She's going to get picked up by you know a team in England or you know we've been hearing rumors for a while. Of course, she had the opportunity to go earlier chose, say play with person, and WFL. But and it is a good problem to have. And I'm not sure how honestly NWF WFL is able to combat losing these players, they're going to lose them. I mean we can. Can't as a league the pain, you know, millions of dollars to or what would you say? What was the Chelsea offer over two year? One million dollar salary over two years. That's the report. That's yeah. I mean, then there's no way. I mean we've seen what happens when we try to do that with Martha. And how Marta had just painful being behind her right? I should come in and get paid too much. What I thought was too much money for what the league and could bear. We saw. So you're not going to be getting the best players in the league's. I mean, and, and it's interesting what I'm watching these games. What are we hearing? Right. We see. Austrailia. Yeah. Was that a lot from Australia? But when you're talking about some of these best players from Norway, or you're talking about the best players from Germany, or the best players from France are all playing with some of the superclubs or Spain. You know they're all of Barcelona and. Seeing now. What happens when you tap into that market a little bit row Madrid? I mean, we're seeing that there's going to be more teams. It's not going the other way, right? They're gonna be spending more money. They're going to be starting, which is a great thing for women's soccer, and I think that's going to be the big driver going forward rather than the federation's fica because we've seen they can't wheel that hammer is going to be these superclubs saying, hey, this matters. We're going to happen in this market. And that's something I wouldn't have predicted five years ago. It's exciting, right? It's exciting to see no one can drive that type of investment from club and another thing from a player perspective is, and it's going to be a push for the NWS. So when we have certain teams, I think of sky blue right like the one in the end, and wwl has going for it compared to other leagues is, it's very competitive top to bottom for the most part like the bottom two teams traditionally haven't been a strong so you competitions as good. But if you want to be considered in Sam curse. Case is part of the one of the best players in the world, right? And, and up for the fee for player of the year, shortlist of the blunder, right or something. One of those awards, you need to be playing in Europe or you need to play in Champions, League and end you don't have that opportunity. So it's like, also from a personal perspective. You're not like our players. Talk about like, if I want to learn how to break down bunkers I can't play in the United States because NWS L is one big transition game. So it's interesting to watch how players monetarily might not be incentive incentive to leave, but it's also going to be because possible awards could never dream of what did you tell us the noble? Hey, guess what? It's not just going to be international stars. They're drawing from individuals L, right? But it's hard though. I mean right. Olympic here coming up next. So they're gonna stay close, but falling twenty twenty. Yeah. I guarantee you all the top US players are going to be playing abroad here. What do we make that much more money? What are we say the number wasn't on W self? Your non not what's the max number. So it was like forty six. Yeah, it's like eighteen forty six five is a range for Enron subsidized what Santa Kerr may be. They need to do. Like, honestly, what they really need to do is to have what he goes to play a role. That's what they need to do. But then you're going to have the NWEA cell is you have, it's the clubs of the haves and the have-nots. Yeah. You have the mom and pop shops, and then you also have like the really wealthy owners. You're so then I understand why they haven't gone a DP route because someplace like Portland in spend it on it. Right. So I think, you know, I texted you this one. I, I saw that tweet. I think we're headed for an arms race. But I think the big spending, I didn't know if you're talking about Iran, like. Know God like you see you see Madrid you see Manchester United. We know the type of budgets, we know you know, the type of dollars that those clubs bring in and I just don't really see the end of your cell in its current model able to keep up, you know. And I do think at some point, we'll see we will see some those US internationals, like, look, look at whatever it is that they would make through that federation contract, you compare it to what Sam curse talking about making and Sam curve's gonna come out better. I think so there's a lot to way. But as as we get excited about what's happening to women's football around the world. I think we have to have an honest assessment about what it means for women's football in our backyard. Do I don't know if you have any more thoughts on that if you want, let's dive into the Spain game, right? We got a game in about forty eight hours. That's. That's a limitation. Can we do a quick version of is it trash talking or not because we did that last week with Helvig Lindahl the Swedish goalie? And I think we decided on this show that hers was not actually that bad, right? Whatever she had said previous and was not trash talking here, a reporter asked via Heaney Dorothea, the number fourteen for Spain. What she thought about alley Krieger 's comments that the US had the best and the second best team at this tournament Dorothea responded, quote, who is Allie Krieger? That's everybody good at the same time. Ooh is trash talker, Julie. Dowdy. I don't know. It was good. Actually, I giggled it that one, I that's a good one. No, I think that's fair. Trump talk for you. I mean like it, honestly like if you are a player from other country, especially a player for Spain because basically play in Spain. I like your wasn't on the US roster for a long time. She was on the US roster when she faced Spain that is a legitimate like retort, that's a legitimate being like wait. Who is that like my would say that about a bench player on any other team, unless I knew about them because they previously were famous or had played in a league that I played in, so I don't look at his trash, I, I think it's you can take what you want from it. You can read into what you want, but I really don't think the Spaniards know who alligators. That's what it is. That's. I mean, and that's what you get. When you open yourself up all the comments that the US made and celebration, the only thing that got me was, I was like ooh was Alec rigors, Romans. That's the only one out of all of them where I was like, who might have been a bit much. But Julia, I'm curious who you've been talking to since the Sweden match. What are they saying? And also is there anything you've noticed, like different about the players of the group? Now that we're in the, the knockout stage, are they are they more intense or anything? Let's see. I had a chat with Kelli O'Hara, berry lose. There was a huge music festival going on here yesterday as I'm sure you guys had going. Oh, no sorry. You're, you're. Festival. Truly Cleary's Saudi really you. There's this huge music festival going on the fifth day moves or something like that. I've not pronouncing right? Your spot. They, they, they can't live here. It was like, oh my not another music. I was out for nine ten minutes, which is like freedom for them. You know, that was like, okay, this is the difference between young and old. I was like, oh my God. Too much noise. I have to go home too much techno music in my in my head. But they're yeah, they, they, they seem to be having fun and focused and feeling good about where they are. And, you know, I think Alex Morgan and Julie urge are obviously going to be back in the lineup. They had held them for precautionary reasons as we know. But Kelly said she feels great ankle feels great. That was probably not the smartest tackle. She made the yellow card, but she's like. I felt like I needed to get stuck in 'cause no one was and that's what you love about Kellyanne Hera. So. Yeah. I and I think, you know, they, they realize it's a very dangerous game to look ahead and everyone wants to talk about the possible matchup with France. And I think for answering those this was well giving that, you know, you win this tough group group for France and you get the reward of Brazil, good moored, and then the United States if you win that, and then maybe England if you win that so, but I think they realize it's they keep saying, like saying present one day at a time we have to get through this round of sixteen. We are not overlooking Spain. And they also know they played them in January and Spain and it was not easy. I call them that game. And for the first thirty minutes, the United States do not touch the ball honestly in dark. And I looked at each other and went, oh no. This could be a long night, and then they turned it, but it's a good team you wonder what else you remember about that match and how much it's informing you know, because it was a friendly six months out of the World Cup. But how much is it? Informing. What you're thinking about this game. What you quickly realize as Spain is obviously one four is they're so good technically. They're very good at holding the ball. But it's what do you have in the final third? And who do you have most importantly, in the final third, who's a great finisher? And I think that's really the element that's lacking with Spain for all their technical gifts. They have Ginny her moso, and she's a wonderful player who will play up high and that target will, but they don't have a lot next to her. They have a great lesson amid midfielder and Alexia protests, who I really liked in January as well. So they just they haven't been able to finish. They've got three goals in this group stage. They didn't that was in their first game against South Africa. They didn't score and their next two games. So I think that is going to be the challenge for them is that they just I feel like they're a cycle shy of those young kids that have been doing so well at the youth, national team level, and then youth World Cups and youth euros for them to come through because they, they are going to be really good going forward and is the key thing is that they struggled to be dominant in the final third, especially in the box to create dangerous opportunities or even rebounds. But what if? Tomorrow is different. Like, what if because it it's not so much their ability to convert chances for me. It's ability to create chances because they might just be you know someone might be in the zone. Right. And the flow. And if man's the case, I can't wait to see how how the US response because if they end up bunch of numbers forward, like they did against Australia. When things got dicey earlier in this year, when they were going back and forth and taking different leads, like Australia and US for extreme vibe three-game. Yeah. Like the US just three more numbers forward and got more and more exposed at the back. So I'm wondering what's going to happen if that happens? And then hopefully they get through because I do think they should get through, then it's like Kay what did we learn? That's what I'm excited to see this. I'm excited to see how they were. And if they're better than January. Right. And which they will because they're, they're much more fit than they were in January, when they're they're coming off of the holiday break, and they knew that they thereby interest because they weren't going to get arrest for the remainder of the year. So that's what I'm not great. Yeah. And, and like the good tested, they still have four games if they're going to they're gonna make this full run. Right. And we've only had one game where the US has been under any kind of duress at all defensive when at least. Or julie. We have run out of time, will you enjoy y'all rumps is do we say it, right? There is for the next. Well, how's Bristol's it's not romps? There's no disco parties or fan pain. So. Not yet anyway. But we've got a couple of weeks to see if we can't fire on there. She goes, you're gonna go find them. You're right. Thank you very much. Julie a real quick reminder, we've got plenty more to discuss here on the show, including Germany's big win over Nigeria Norway, beating Australia. Crazy game penalties and all that and much more. But I this quick break. Our special coverage of the two thousand nine hundred women's World Cup continues here on ESPN FC Kate a couple of games today to break down on Saturday, June twenty second. Let's start with Nigeria and Germany, Nigeria, obviously, getting the one of the third place tickets in very dramatic fashion. They had to wait until the last day of group phase before they were confirmed. A big injury absence in this one for Nigeria al-shoala, the number eight who we've been following in highlighting throughout the tournament was injured actually have a hurt with an asterisk next to it. But I'll bring that up later because there's a lot of confusing information about Osho Allah that I found online, Germany also missing. Jennifer motto, John. Of course, a broken toe we'd hurt she was going to miss the group phase and that found a German report last week, that's probably out till the semifinals. So she was out for this round of sixteen showdown, Germany ends up winning three nothing. They get two goals in like five minutes stretch in the first half kind of solidify the game there, a Schuler ads the third goal little insurance in the eighty second minute. Real quick run through that five minute stretch to kind of define the game twenty th minute. There's a corner kick Alexander Popp gets the goal on a header. She doesn't jump within the six yard box. I would describe that as disastrous marking, but say what you will VR check for off side, the Golan's upstanding a couple of minutes. Later, we see what we've seen a lot during this World Cup the follow through penalty on a defender's clearance. The victim in this case, the German number twenty Moghul who we've talked a lot about the number six for Nigeria, and we'll boo COO, the guilty party. Kate just real quick. Did you think penalty and yellow was the right decision there on that I did actually? And I always go for the defenders. But I thought you just didn't get any in the ball, I think she meant to get the player. No. But if an all the situations that we've seen similar calls, I put myself and I try to go back. How would I feel if that happened to my teammate? How would I feel if I was the one doing that, that she, I would know that, that's the PK, if I had done that because I missed the ball completely full on full on clot. Yeah. I mean for me the follow through is just too hot, right? You're endangering an opponent. I it's pretty basic debris. Steps up. She finishes the penalty. It's to nothing and Kate from there. Like I know Nigeria obviously missed Shalala. They were also decimated by suspension. By the way, they had a couple like missing pieces out that were critical in. They a lot of very inexperienced players in the starting lineup. But from there really Nigerian never like challenged Germany. They couldn't threaten. I saw pretty comfortable Germany win. What did you see? Well, I think Nigeria just didn't have the tools to compete. I think they lined up to be solid defensively and then had their forwards. We're looking for one B one moment, so they had them, spread out, really, really far because they were trying to spread the field and also isolate the German backfield because they knew that they had them on pace. So you saw up around Z. You saw our data and you saw players up there that we're trying to isolate defenders to get that one be one, but that meant that they were separated from their compact defense. So then the players that were in that next layer that midfielder, there just weren't good enough. So when Germany was actually able to beat that initial line from the forwards, you could see it. They're trying to make him go to the left. They were trying to make Hege ring help build out of the back because, hey, I is, is slower than Dussan on the right. And they were trying to pull her out to then. News that space in behind. They're having her build and then unfortunately, just that and I couldn't I didn't catch her name, but I'm multiple occasions. She was fouling the in outside mid because she couldn't stay with the play because when you play against Germany, you know, they're looking for angles and not to do triangles, but to wall pass around you. And so I think that there were last-minute tackles and it just it was such choppy game. It was not fluid at all. And then you had those five minutes in the VAR that the game never really took off for me. But again, Germany finds a way to win every single time with a different lineup. This is the seventh youngest team in the World Cup twenty one of twenty three of these players like VIN like Schumer that came in an orbiter played in the under twenty one World Cup. This team is a cycle early and they're getting this incredible experience. I'm watching Germany now and they're getting better each half. They are tournament team is Ari Hinxton saying I like that is part of that is is young player. Are learning how to grow within a game. They had a really slow start. I think we would both agree on that to the tournament. Right. They certainly seem to at least in this match and maybe you would even say at the end of group face start to find their stride. As far as Germany is concerned, and whether it's with the caveat that without modern John, they play a different formation. Right. They're playing up a four four two. Instead of a four three three and people make the argument that they're better in a four four two than a four three. Whatever the caveat is his Germany better without Mahjan. No, I don't think so. I think what we're seeing more than anything is Germany came from a group that didn't score ton goals. Right. They came from China. They came from a group with South Africa. And for Spain we haven't seen Germany playing in attacking offense yet. So this, they're able to play whatever way they want right now because Nigeria doesn't score tunnel goals. Throughout the world throughout the group play. And so they haven't given up a goal, but they've really haven't been tested in a way to see. So that's kinda I, I don't know of anything. Yeah. They're improving each game. But I think they're also haven't been exposed each game yet. I'm sure you've heard a manager say, look at ain't broke, don't fix it. So now you're knockout face play. He put Meyers on I know where you're going. I know what you're gonna cut you off yet. You've put my John. Absolutely. Like, even I, I think even more that instinct, she's that good. That, like whatever it is like you gotta get her in. I think she is that no matter how good we have. No, right. Because she got her stepped on within the first twenty minutes of the first game. She had a blade is they're, they're looking really good without. On that scatter. Are you not risking breaking up? Demonstrate by bringing back is look good. You look at Germany right now. I look at a team that assert Jeff sending. Yeah. Yeah. Right. There Dacian is so strong that even when they don't play like great. You're like when we was France. But, like, oh my God. Yes. Right. When we but we haven't had any moments with Germany. Right. But they're foundation is so strong that it hasn't mattered partly because they haven't played against attacking sides as much I still think he put her in. I do. And then and then you separate out, you would separate if it doesn't work, right? Because you got plenty young players put him in the second half fresh legs and put a ton of minutes and do that. I think he put her in. I wanna talk some forwards, I mentioned before the tournament started that compared Alexander Popp, Alex Morgan in, in that I thought, if she got hot then Germany would be okay. And I think if Alex Morgan gets hot in the knockout rounds, the US will be okay. Kind of regardless of the other things that could happen pop. Scott two goals. Now she's got a knockout phase goal which I think we kind of value differently. So look out for her the other four, I want to talk about a social Walla because I just found her absence very almost confusing. She's on the bench. Right. She's unavailable. But you should not in the starting lineup, but she's on the bench. Most of what you're hearing in terms. Like the early reports is it's an injury, but I started digging a little bit because the broadcasters, the FOX broadcasters are calling for her to come on. I've gone to Twitter onto like Nigerian soccer Twitter and they're going crazy. They're they want her in the game. And they're like fifty percent of Osho Allah's better than like one hundred percent of whoever else. You've got out there right now. Right. That's the case that everybody's making. So then I started looking at reports in the last couple of days, I found an African website, megasports arena dot com. They said, oh, Walla declared herself fit the day before the game. She went through full training on Thursday by partial training on Wednesday. Then I found a Nigerian based journalist who works for gold dot com, which is a pretty reputable website, like we go to here in the United States, quite a bit. And they listed it as tactical reasons, and then I saw that parodied like all around social media. And then there's like the further complicating factor which is shit to injuries. Right. She hurts her ankle in South Korea and then a hamstring against France. So there's like all this stuff going on. Plus, the mind games have maybe even if an injured players totally not available, you throw them on the bench just to scare the opposition. But I was just like it was such a big player in such a big moment for this team. And to not have a straight answer. I was I was like desperate because I wanted to see her come on. And we never got that moment, right? It's a little bit gamesmanship. Thomas, debbie. A little bit. But I also think I don't think she had an incredible tournament. I mean when you talk about this team, you're talking about our data like she really played. Well, I know we argue about whether or not are in product, but she was probably the much higher on her the no-show all throughout this tournament. Yeah. And I think when you look at, you know, you need someone to defensive work because they were sitting in and they were tactically trying to sit in and then isolate the wingers to look for counters right because they had that speed difference. That's tactically. What they were doing. They just got beat in midfield, because they couldn't cover the angles well enough, and they couldn't cut out passing channels. So to me, this was putting in a second forward that could do the defensive work and wanted to defensive work and wasn't concerned about scoring as much because they were going to leave that to somebody else. That's what I saw. Yeah. I mean, the assumption is if she had been at all available, she would have played because you're down to nothing late in that matter. At you just gonna like, if she has anything in her you throw her on and see what happens, I guess, we should now say goodbye to Nigeria, I would just note this they've been in every. World Cup since ninety one. They only made it to the knockout round wants that was in one thousand nine hundred nine they got a really I thought Goodwin against South Korea like a well manufactured win and this World Cup. You know they did exactly what they needed that a strategy. They executed it. Well, South Korea confused way, more confused than I thought they would look. And so I thought Nigera very much earned those three points, then they had to wait around that it would around those three days, kind of, like hoping results would fall and it wasn't until sheila's Lada misses that penalty and then kind of time runs out on Sheila against Thailand that Nigeria finally gets to go through. So I think you had a team that was like ready to take a next step or hoping to take a next step, and they did it the world co serve emotion. I do think that them and fatigue them. Right. That accumulated fatigue that happens in tournament physically. But it also Holden's mentally and ineffectual mental endurance, and there are a couple of times where I was watching our day today, and I was like she's tired, especially because they were they were shifting everything to her side. Right. They wanted Germany. To play on that side. So I was like, Ooh I in Nigeria, you know, they Germany is better. So Nigeria to be functioning on all cylinders at one hundred percent in fatigue. Definitely looked like an issue and you wonder right like how much of a role does depth play only eleven players can play at once. But think about what the German players had to do over group phase. Right. Because of their depth because they're sitting in a perfect spot in the group, they can do some squad rotation that on idea can't and you see that fatigue a shout out, I think is, is deserved for the United Marion number five on OMI Ebi her fifth World Cup. Be first African player to do that. Her first World Cup was two thousand three. So if you think about that she's been a part of every group phase exit since the last group faced success. So at this point in her career fifth World Cup to finally get out of the group, she's thirty six years old. Maybe we'll see you again in two thousand twenty three but I thought that was just like a, a great. Moment, a great storyline. Somebody finally kind of getting it passed the line. The other thing I'd say about this Nigeria team Kate. They're going to be good in the future. Fix. Yeah. Give them another year. 'cause Denby is still there for another year. Give him another year. Let's see what happens. I think just a little more time and a little bit more. This experience was valuable to so many of their young players, tactically. They were just a little bit off, right. And then they lost players and a little bit of recklessness, right in the back, but they're going to learn from that. And I liked that they're going to have a quick cycle, the turnaround and try to qualify for the Olympics. They got a lot of good young players who are playing abroad, and in, like, good situations abroad, professional situations abroad, whether that's like Scandinavia or China, a one player that, that caught my eye today was Jin, Wendy. I think they call her teen way. ES zuo. She's the number nineteen she had the matchup with Glynn the to number nineteen on on the flying. She's been playing pro in Europe since she was a teenager. I think she's one of these, like she had a ton of success youth, national team. I want to say a silver ball like an under twenty World Cup. She's twenty two now she's playing in China. I think about the type of player she'll be in four years. And then you think like OSHA Walla. La or data Oprah nosy that, that their front three, they're all twenty four twenty five. They're all playing abroad. Think about that group in a year as you say, Olympics, or in, in three or four years. So the next World Cup the only thing I would ask about Nigeria's, what are you going to do in goal cause as as kind of good as she was statistically. Nadu Z for me, very young. And hopefully she'll have a chance to grow. But I think that that was for me a big weakness as well. She played statistically. She looked like a very very nervous young goalie. And I don't think I think Nigeria will have a ceiling until that gets a pretty hard ceiling until that gets corrected me, correct. And you could tell that because of how they lined up for corner kicks. And how Germany's scouted it. They put anytime you see a team that either puts her own defenders, right around goalie or another team puts all their players right around goalie. It's a sign that they don't value, the goalie or they're testing Joe. Yeah. And you saw that today if you've got Germany, Nigeria gave us a lot to talk about who wait until we get to off. Australia and no way. But I use soccer stars like Tobin heath Carli, Lloyd, Mallory Pugh, and others. Again, paid a lot of money by Hulu. Why to do a goal celebration called Hulu has live sports? It's all to let you know, one simple message Hulu has live sports. You can watch the biggest games sporting events on sixty plus top channels no cable required. Plus, you can stream the entire who library. Start your free trial of who today live TV plan required. Restrictions apply. Learn more at Hulu dot com, Norway and Australia. Kate. Both these teams finished second in their respective groups there was an injury doubt before the game. Caroliina Graham Hansen had an ankle injury from group phase. Maybe she would play she did play. I would say she played very very well. We can get into that in a little bit just a crazy game knowing scores. I thirtieth minute. Australia gets an equalizer in the eighty second minute. That's a I would describe as accidental goal olympico, which I think is. The most unique you can score soccer right from the soccer kick with from the corner. Kick without necessarily intending, it, we get drama at the end of regulation Graham Hanson hits the post. We get two extra time. It's like I think like an extra time everyone's just like let's go crazy, man. It's just like it's end to end. We get the one hundred fourth minutes straight red card for Lana. Kennedy real quick Kate read for you. Yes. Yeah. Centreback saying it's a red folks like a saying it's biased because I get angry like I get angry, when coaches know there's a problem, but refused to change things. I think bec- due to injuries in due to other issues. This is a team that didn't have many options at centre-back night, but you cannot play a high line if you have a slow back line, and they play a high line and they got burned in the first goal because Highland because I can tell you I played against her slow than I played against slogan when I was thirty two and I think I might have been pregnant with twins and I was playing through it. I think we played them then, but I definitely play them that you're there before I was pregnant, which are supposed to like glance over the part where you say you played through a pregnancy twin you can play through I private star, but. But I can't. No, I can't remember if you put him a victory tour before that I've played against Slovan many times, even on my slow for Norway. Slowest day. I'm faster than her. And I think I'm probably fastened her. Now as mid forty year old she is. She's got average speed is what I'm trying to say like nothing like that. So the fact that she was still able to beat to centrebacks. She was sitting in the same with the beautiful ball and I'm going to mess up her name by save. It was one of the prettiest balls. I've seen all tournament through the seem. She gets beat once the second time she puts her arm with earns a red card. She even though Oatlands initiates it, she puts her arm it, right? Your job sling to try to get in front. But then she continues the arm right and because she's not fast, she can't. He doesn't if you're fast, you can do a little bit of the arm. But then you just cut in front because you get on, like by the third or fourth step, even if you're even you'll be able to get in line between them and the ball. The fact that, that even happened because they didn't read it really enough to drop is a sign on her, and it's also on our coach. This is a problem. We have highlighted. I have said they're overrated, not because the caliber of their frontline or because a Sam, Kirk because she could've taken them all the way, but had they played a different system had they'd been more solid on the back and look to counter attack because of their leaky defence, this would be a different team that would have a chance of all in the finals. And because you're stubborn and you're stupid as a coach. I'm sorry. You just are. This is what happened. So the scapegoat is millage. I loved them. They love the training sessions all that, but to not adjust your game. It's a red card all day long. I'm sorry, you're out so onto milch the manager for Australia. How much of that, do you think has to do with the fact that he was hard, five months before the world matter? He's knowing he's to this happened against the United States, it's five to three they their back line was so high that the US is running havoc right through them at that point, you have to know that you have slow defenders and why and they didn't even adjust in that game. They kept doing it. They played Highline this entire time except for the last game that they played right against Jamaica. They knew they couldn't keep up with bunny Shaw on a bat on a good day. And they dropped their line earlier. I don't get this idea this just, I don't get it because as a player, your whole life, you're dreaming of like winning a World Cup in Olympics and your coach set you up to fail in. That's why I get irate Qassam curse to good Sam shouldn't shouldn't be doing. Everything to try to get her team to win. She's playing out in the wing at some point, she was taking a throw in at some point, she is. She was so far out of where she needed to be because she was trying to take on too much. Because a team wasn't organized in credit to Norway. They took Australia out of the game plan in that first half. Right. They made surely didn't attacked on the right hand side. The cap Elliott carpenter at bay into everything to the right hand side. So if they got dispossessed, it was only going down the weaker side for Australia, the left hand side. So I thought it was brilliant. Sam Kerr did not get fed except for the first minute, and then the two centrebacks turned on. It was like, oh, God. Yeah. Yeah. Sam dude I gotta do better so well done by Norway. They lost in the second half the physicality in the fitness of Australia took over, but they were able to stay in it. You know, as far as the Australian manager, I've been quick to point out managers that have no experience in the women's game. You've been quick to point out that, that's not necessarily a an automatic disqualifier seen success. So, but what I would say about this particular coaches, like his resume, to me is not worthy of this job. If you consider this. Job to be a big job. And I would think that Australia, which, again, I had as a dark horse I had in the final to me. That's a really big job. Here's who he is. He's a federation coach like he's been on the men's national team staff. He's been the Twenty-three coach thought he's been the you twenty coast. No. But there are guys. And you know this because you've been around USSF, there guys who are federation coaches who just cycle their way through the federation that to me is not a sign of an excellent coach, now that's not a resume of accidental, but I think about the better plant in one of our earlier podcasts, that it's not that it's about what he's doing next. Yes. Yeah. He's getting again. Well, let's go to that, right? He's a federation guy, which I think, is why he gets this job who runs the men's league in Australia. The federation, does they've got an expansion team come and he's going to be the coach of this next expansion team which leaves this, what I think, again, what you're saying, talent wise, this great program in a state of impermanent s-. It the biggest moment at the moment where you're. Is not only in their seminal tournament, but it's the tournament that's supposed to be the game changer. We're supposed to get over the hump of the quarterfinals. That, that to me is a better ration- failure. And especially if you look at how the last coach was fired and all that came out of that which was a disaster. They the federation director had to write an apology for what they spread through the media about the last coach was not handled. Well, here's the problem. Is this is a team that in twenty eighteen went toe to toe the US at that the US was the best team in the world Lester? Australia went toe to toe with him, and it was fun to watch under their old coach stuff happened. Right. Managerial stuff happened within the team for confidential reasons, they don't talk about it. So he's let go. So let's not go to that because we can't control that. And whatever happened on the by defa handle it, right? No. But this is a team that the reason why we're so upset is the team that had a back line that made sense and how they played. But more importantly, their midfield made sense you saw both teams center midfield was kind of a nightmare today. That's why it was so end to end. Right. Like other Norway, really not preventing it going to the right hand side for the first half the second half like defensively. It was just like go. Do what you want. No one was dictating the flow of the game. The midfield got completely overrun. And that's why Sam Kerr didn't get any service it had to come from the wings because they couldn't control the middle at all. And then it goes in the wings and then they hit the service but the services so far out that it doesn't make any impact, like Lucienne in the past. And then would I want to happen more than anything for Australia is for? And I'm seeing it from some of their former players on Twitter, who I respect, and I get it because I'm the same way I get caught up in something when I'm when I'm emotional, and I'm sad is they're talking about Doris daughters handball on whether or not it should than a PK, and I really want, I really want the focus to be that's not the reason why you lost because of that PK not going your way you lost because tactics you lost because of setting your players up to fail not because the referee and I don't think that's PK. How the heck do people want defenders to clear a ball at that point the ball was bouncing? It would bounce away took off the ground so quick. You can't leave with both feet to then do a diving header because. Really, your only option is if you stick your foot up. It's a high kick. Play runs in the red card and p-a-k. Right. So the only thing you could have done there. It was what she did or do a diving header, but the ball left so quickly off the ground on the bounce there's no time for her to get her feet right to do the diving header to clear it out. So I thought she did everything she could right. She didn't make herself bigger by dropping her shoulder because her whole entire body moved with it. She didn't change the size and the space that she was taking up. So I just want to make sure that I hope to goodness for their say they don't on talking about that's not an excuse is when that's not the that's not why they lost that will impede their improvement. Sometimes you've got to face up against the issues, the play you're talking about later, first-half dot or called for the hand. It's overturned on VAR. It was kinda like shoulder chest leaning into it, certainly a pivotal moment. Just one more note on the Australians, like it definitely wasn't down to talent definitely wasn't down to like spirit of character either. Like think about the emotional blow that losing to. Italy must have been think of what the emotional blow that being down to nothing. Brazil must have been they fought back in this game. Like there's definitely something special about the spirit, whatever that's worth of this. Australian team clearly just the pieces didn't come together in this tournament. Let's give Norway their moment health. How much of a threat are they against England? If England is to advance against Cameroon. Well, they've got two young players that are quality and right. Like I think Graham Hansen is like she's just she's now a star while you've been talking about this is now the next starred. They have thirteen players under the age of twenty three. So this is a topic area and they call come the Norwegian league. And then they get drawn out people have criticized the top sorry not being as good, or, and people criticize Soberon for this style play. It's very like they wanna keep possession. In fact, all my Norwegian friends are like we're not going to go very far. We're gonna lose not the other, and yes, they have problems on the outside backs are outside backs are slow, and not good enough, especially Minta like you know how every single team attacks. They're left hand side. And there's a reason for that. Right. We saw France to it. We saw Nigeria do it, and my, my first tweet, I was like that left hand side is a problem. It's going to continue to be a tax. You're gonna see England. We assuming going to get over Cameroon because they are one of the top teams in the world. They're going to have imagined that against Lucy Braun Makita parish. So a very good team. But this team is just building like Germany as the seventh youngest team. These are two teams that are just getting started in terms of their dominance. Caroliina Graham Heinsohn used to play for Wolfsburg's. She's just joined Barscelona. So think about that, like Barcelona attack. If, if you will, you got Graham Hansen, you got, like a Martins. You have I'll show. All you've got a Tony Duggan in there, some of the stars that your liking of this World Cup, plus like half the Spanish national team is in there. So you know that, that, that Barcelona attack is going to be a fun, one to watch once the club season gets going over in Europe. All right. Enough on today's games. We still have the rest of Sunday's action to preview. We'll do that in just a moment. But first, this quick break back here with more ESPN ABC's coverage of the two thousand nine hundred women's World Cup in France. K Markgraff Sebastian Salazar time to preview. Tomorrow's matches we've got England Cameroon and France against Brazil England, the winner of group d Cameroon third place out of groupie. We remember their dramatic late winner against New Zealand that put them through Kate. This is obviously a match for England is the huge favourite where do you think this game will be decided? Ooh. That's a good question. Where does it come down midfield comes onto midfield there? So midfield, heavy right? It's a four three four five one depending if they're in possession, or not in possession. We got to see some different people, they do a lot of squad rotation that one England strength is their depth the other are there wingers Tony Duggan got back in Beth Mead. We saw provided a critical assist whether friend. Kirby will come in, or Georgia's stanway, who was excellent outside of the foot passes on me up Ernie. It was so good. Yeah. She was so exciting, and then the Catholic parish back. Right. So this is a team that in the midfield is so explosive that they are going to find Ingles to play around Cameroon and Cameroon recall. I mean there on that same emotional roller coaster there. One of the third place teams to get in. They won on the last kick of the game. It is a team that has a lot of confidence the team that believes in one another and a team that has gotten better. So it's going to be interesting. But they were they were the lesser of the group link thing about who they played, I think England is better than Canada. And I think I think England is. And those are two teams that Cameron struggled against you but dangerous on the counter-attack right off in in shoot who scored the two goals. Engand the number seven the number three in the number seven are really those wide players to watch for Cameroon. They're very, very dangerous and both of them like to cutting sometimes they can be dangerous. So so watch out for, for those two in that one, France, and Brazil, a quick note on that Martin for me. Got are injury doubts. I will follow this up to say that one of our colleagues. It's working with FOX, Derek rate tweeted at both Martin for me at Brazil practice today. So I would guess that's a good sign. It's better than no news. I would assume you're shaking your head and Kate. I don't believe it until I. Well, at least there was some photo evidence of it. What kind of shot does Brazil have here because I, I think we agree. France a favorite right, goodness. It's quite tough bracket. Isn't it? You get France. -gratulations get Brazil you get some of the best individual skill players in the but France to me is a heavy favorite here. Absolutely the midfield at Brazil's an issue for me guy is critical because she has to drop back to help their centrebacks centreback struggle. I don't think I don't rate, Brazilian centrebacks very highly. So for me the defensive center midfield comes back and helps which pulls her midfield shape. The young players have not delivered at all right? They haven't been very good. I think that Cristiani and for me getting Marta have had to do a lot of the heavy lifting there were some bright spots, like players coming in, subbed and added some energy and infection. But I think this is a as Martha said, there's no reason why she's still on the roster. She should be pushed out right now because they're developing younger players and they have it. And these younger players haven't developed experience. Bigtime moments. So this is a team that they're Sonos is going to have to step up. They have a chance, but I just can't see them controlling that midfield at all. You know, from a French perspective, we had Julian Laurent on maybe two three days ago, and he was very critical of teena- one of one of the players in the midfield. I, which which I found, I guess not surprising. I don't think that it's not like I thought she had played that well, but he, he was very focused on her. Is there somebody whether it's her or somebody else in this French team that you're like alright? Knockout round game, a want to see you do the business. I actually are there multiple players. Yeah. No. I think Brazil centrebacks are dodgy, right. So you're going to see who they're going to put up a, you know, they started with the irony, the first game because of Google and got in trouble being late twice there the number nine plays the nine nine position. So I imagine that they're going to bring her. I think Galon would start to be honest cutting, she's really good back to pressure. And she brings people end. She's a pivot higher. The pitch. I would like see it looks America. I'm in and play a ten and then moved little Samir out from the flanks and then put on put Diani because I think just the wheels on the side of Diani and Cascarino going up and back can help. And no, I know I know democrat loves Lucille, mare, and Maget together, and they are incredible there, a better left hand pairing than Diani, and Marjorie. But I think collectively the team is better Samaras. She likes to cut in any way. She just a better player than teeny. You're talking about a lot of changes or potential shifts like how much do you then? Also worry about messing with team continuity, because I know France has a lot of pieces. I know has a lot of choices but you're suggesting some different stuff I am. I think he's just because it's better for the whole group. I think we're gonna tournament like don't don't you need to be home with stuff news. News now. Well, though, like if someone's not playing well, you got a point jewels, you're, you're kind of, at that point that underwhelming. He was great in twenty eleven. I thought she was in two thousand fifteen she didn't make the team for a couple years in India CRA took over. She couldn't find a tense. She brought teeny back in. This is a last resort player. This is a I don't have anyone better. And I think she just need to get over her fascination with the left now, watch tomorrow, it's gonna be commentator's curse in the left hand side with Lemaire module wins the game. But I just think I just think LUSA mayors better in the box, and her late time runs are perfect. So I'd rather have their tina's had a lot of sitters that she's missed some important choices then to be made for France, quick, reminder, hero, Hulu paying Tobin heath, Carli, Lloyd, Mallard, byu, and other US soccer stars, a lot of money to do. A new goal celebration called Hulu has live sports y while it simple because Hulu has live sports. You can watch the biggest games and sporting events on sixty plus top channels no cable required. Plus, you can stream the entire Hulu library. Start your free trial of who today live. TV plan required. Restrictions apply. Learn more at Hulu dot com. Kate real quick. I want to acknowledge that we did have Julie Foudy on the podcast earlier, you know, that Julie is quite busy, right? She's got like a million podcast project. She's involved in. There are a new episode of laughter permitted that will be dropping on Wednesday. Any idea who the special guest is? Has she done crystal done? She has done crystal Don. Previous special guests include Tobin heath Cristovan, brandy Chastain, and Christine Lilia soccer player. Yes. And I'll give you one more, hints, you bigger than a breadbox can't be like rippling winning quits. I'll give you one more hint. She would be very very much opposed to the new implementation of penalty. Retakes Duda VR by Anna scary. He's referring to ninety nine when Bri basically was on the six when she made a save to win us. The put us in a position to win the World Cup. Yeah. All that anybody remembers, his who on the world covet doesn't matter how you did it one of the players that did it back in one thousand nine hundred nine Kate marker. That's all the time. We've got 'im Sebastian Salazar. Thanks for listening to this edition of ESPN FCC special coverage of the two thousand nine hundred nine women's World Cup.

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Grab It | S1: The Women's World Cup

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Grab It | S1: The Women's World Cup

"Back in nineteen Ninety-one a few months before the first women's World Cup. Michelle Akers went to a conference for sports apparel companies in Arizona. Here's Caitlyn Murray, author of the national team. And she gave a speech to these executives in the room, basically, begging them to invest in women's soccer to view, women's soccer is the future of the sport. And actually put some money behind it. Michelle Akers, not her management. Not anyone from US soccer. Not even Anson Dorrance. She took the matter into her own hands, and made the case for herself. And her sport, she found an audience for her message and former soccer player, make Hoban who is now the vice president of soccer promotions for Braham. He remembered having sort of scrape by as a soccer player in the nineteen seventies. So when he listened to Michelle Akers talking about meetings kind of scrape her career together that really resonated with him. He approached her gave her his business card. And he said, we want to get involved with the women's soccer movement. And we think you are the right spokesperson for it. Acres passion, moved HOGAN, and the result was Umbro signing acres to a major endorsement deal, the first ever for a female soccer player and remember the US women's national team hadn't even won the World Cup yet. So you'd think that in nineteen Ninety-one after the team returned home as champions, the endorsements would come flooding in you think if Umbro could see women's soccer was the future of the sport that fief in US soccer would see the same poor. Perhaps you've been listening to for episodes of this podcast. And by now you would not be thinking that at all. I'm grant wall and on our final episode for this season. We'll see how the women from the national team took their relentless fighting metality off the field and into the boardroom on their journey from champions, two professionals welcome to throwback. Michelle Akers deal with Umbro was special most US players weren't getting endorsements. And no one was getting salary for winning the ninety one World Cup. US soccer gave just a five hundred dollar bonus to the players who were out of college remember, NCAA rules, prevented college athletes from receiving payment, even if they were the World Cup champions, the ninety one world championship was over and considered a success. So the women's World Cup would continue and FICO would even have the decency to call it a World Cup now. Women soccer needed to become something sustainable, the players losing money and putting their bodies at risk. Not only did they not have a salary. They didn't have healthcare, but big things like salary and healthcare. Weren't actually what bothered players, Julie Foudy, I as the US women's team continued traveling the early nineties there in a while. With US men's team became even more frustrating. We also knew some of the men's players, for example, and in you're seeing where they're staying, and you're doing events with them, and you're hearing about whether trading and you're thinking, not that's not how we we're staying. We're not living like that. We're not travelling like that. The little things that never bugged you, in the beginning because you're just so grateful to be planning for the United States of America. When you're on that team for as long as we were you start to think this just doesn't seem right. It would have been easy for Foudy to be enraged, but she wasn't a firebrand part of her appeal is a leader was her calm, but firm insistence that the treatment of her team needed to change. She was always the defacto labor leader for the US women's national team. So we'll mostly be hearing from her this episode. It's not an angry pound. My fist on the table is just this constantly. This is weird and then that grows. And then you start making jokes about it like, oh another Roach, motel or we have to take the hotel shuttle bus to the game because we don't have a charter bus to get us there, which actually happened and then you get wiser you start to realize, like, no, it isn't. Right. We shouldn't be dealing with this. The team had been asking US soccer to make changes since ninety one but progress was frustratingly slow that frustration continued to build over for years they needed a new approach. It took a legend from an. Entirely different sport to spark a revolution. Jean King of America, the new Queen of tennis. Jean King was more than one of the greatest tennis players of all time. She was also a pioneer in fighting for the rights of women in sports, along with demolishing Bobby Riggs in the nineteen Seventy-three battle of the sexes, king demanded equal pay a player and was the founder of the Women's Tennis Association. There wasn't a better role model for the US women's national team in Billie Jean King, and how she changed, tennis Foudy and king. We're brought together for a roundtable on women's sports, in nineteen Ninety-four in their Foudy received some advice from king, that would change the course of women's soccer Billie Jean proceeded to tell her story about their one dollar contracts, and how they broke away from the tennis toward to form the women's tennis, too, are there was a huge leap of faith, and I remember listening to her in going on my gosh. That's so much our story and we. Get the federation to change right now. And she basically said, Foudy wake up, you do something about it. You change you the players get them together and figure it out. You have the power to make the change. The timing couldn't have been better. The ninety five World Cup was around the corner in the players were about to sign a new deal. I was literally getting on a flight to join the national team. We were supposed to sign another contract where we got paid ten dollars a day per diem. They owned all are like this. They owned all our rights, and they basically were saying you should just feel like a, you get aware, the red white and blue and deal with it. So she met up with her teammates, and told them. What king had said, and I said, we are not signing this contract. We are going to do something about this. It's time that we actually stood up for our selves. That is win. We started to look at okay? What can we change here? There was a lot. They wanted to alter like how they traveled how they prepared to play. Why are we in the smoking section only fly? Essentially, we're one row ahead of it. Why are we staying in Roach hotels? Why don't we? Have a trainer like little things. But then there was an even more fundamental change that he had to happen being able to make a living wage, most of it becomes because people were having to retire because they couldn't afford, of course, to live. On ten dollars a day and pay rents when they're out of college, and that's when you start to realize, we're losing good players, because we're not being supported in that shouldn't be the case. That wasn't just a hypothetical, take Shannon Higgins, Roscoe. She had been a central figure in the ninety one World Cup final in coming off at tournament at age twenty three she should have had a nice long playing career ahead of her. Right. I actually retired right after that I was having a really difficult time making ends meet I was I left it come at the height of my game, which is kind of a sad thing every player faced similar economic challenges. They need to do something that would help pay the bills and one battle was brought to the US women by the US men's team, that would help them do just that in the early nineties, both teams have been forced to wear cleats made by the federation sponsor Adidas that limited players personal endorsement opportunities, but change was afoot. The deed is had the rights from head to toe, meaning that they owned our feet as well, which is essentially the only way for the women, especially that we. Were making any money. So the men rightfully came to us and said in this new contract. We are fighting to not be head to toe. We should own our, our feet and the right to sign a sponsorship deal for Cleese. They won that fight with US soccer and for many players, the endorsement deals that followed made a big financial difference. I was reblock back in the day, if I didn't have Reebok I would've made no money that was my only source of income, you soccer had long argued to the players that it couldn't sell the women's game but by ninety five that didn't hold up anymore. Nike just gone in big on soccer for the first time the Swoosh invested in the US soccer federation, and specifically a ham. And the fact that they had signed a multi-million dollar contract with Nike, for example, ninety five and you realize, okay, there's a market for this. They see it. They're using me as one of their marquee athletes, then why isn't US soccer seeing there's a market for it. The market for the Athol. Had changed. But US soccer didn't and tension. Spilled over into the ninety five women's World Cup where the players in the US. Soccer continued arguing well into the tournament the ninety five middle of the World Cup. We were dealing with those types of contractual issues with US soccer things that were important. But we should have never been dealing with in the middle of World Cup despite fielding. Another talented team, the US would finish third. The ninety five World Cup nemesis. Norway got its revenge for the ninety one final and beat the Americans in the semifinals on its way to winning the turnament Norrie was good. But it didn't help that the Americans were distracted. Here's Karen Gabeira, part of the reason that we would all agree that we didn't win. Nineteen ninety five was having the destruction of having to fight for those things. So we had to find a balance it lost the Cup. But a chance for redemption was just a year away. Hi, I'm Shelly cours. I'm a football player. I'm here at the summer games. In ninety six women's soccer would be an Olympic sport. For the first time the Olympics were taking place in America giving the US win a unique opportunity to play for a major title at home. But once again, US, Okker was offering the women's team arrived deal. You soccer only wanted to passively one gold, and we said, will you offer three tiers for the men gold, silver bronze, why wouldn't you offer that for us, and he's like because you guys will win and our expectations are different for you. I think his quote was we don't reward mediocrity. That didn't sit well the US players weren't going to make the same mistake. They made in ninety five they weren't going to allow themselves to be distracted during the competition. Instead, they flexed early. There was a tournament or a camp in January of ninety six we decided as a group that and less, they at least sat down at the table with us on some of these. Issues. We had brought up we weren't going into camp. It was quite a bit away from the ninety six Olympics. It's not like we were threatening to boycott the Olympics. But we were saying we're not going into camp. The players were standing firm behind their captains, Foudy and Carla Overbeck, still echoes of ninety five and the fear of missing out on a lifelong Olympic dream made sitting out a camp, a bold move for the US women. Here's Christine Lilley, and they could affected us going to the Olympics, and it was really kind of a scary time, but we were fighting for something bigger than just us. It was more of the growth of looming side in the support of the women's program the players want to compromise with US soccer. They would get bonuses for winning gold or silver in ninety six it wasn't equality with US men's team but it was a game. The US went on to win the gold medal in a thrilling two one victory over China. What's more the crowd for that game at the university of? Georgia football stadium with seventy six thousand four hundred eighty nine clearly to the general public there is curiosity and excitement about the US women's team. They had this victory. They had endorsement deals. They had a growing fan base. Now they need to press US soccer. Here's Caitlyn Murray in nineteen ninety eight the players started to realize we need to get a lawyer, who's going to represent us. So we can push back against US soccer and some of these issues that we've been having so they hired a guy name, John Lang goal. They had a previous lawyer who wasn't getting the job done. But Langa was dedicated. He wanted what you'd expect better pay fewer fleabag hotels, you know, the basics, the team had a training session in John Langa, was there, and he noticed that Christine, Lilley was gone in the players told him that she had to run out and get bagel. And fruit for the team because they had two days and they needed to eat in between training sessions. And John Lingle was surprised by that, because the men's team was getting meals provided for their training sessions. John language started fighting to have the players fed along with his list of other concerns. In the meantime, the players kept training for the ninety nine World Cup. If you remember from episode one, they also promoted that event, almost like door to door sales. People doing everything they could to make sure the World Cup would be a success, but they're pushing back on US soccer was starting to make some important people nervous including Marla messing the president and CEO the ninety nine women's World Cup. Here's foudy. I was doing actually a sl photo shoot on Necker island for the swimsuit issue. Cannot believe I said yes to that. All of a sudden, one of the people that works on. Ryland goes Smith's fatty. I said, yes, they said you have a phone call. I have a phone call. This is pre cell phones. So get on the phone, and it was Marla. She wanted an assurance that we were not gonna boycott the World Cup or strike during the World Cup. And I said, Marla, darling. Come on how much work we put into this alongside you. There's no way we're going to jeopardize this. I promise you. You don't have to worry about that. You're good. The labor battle was still simmering with US soccer, but the players were being noticed by corporate America Mia Hamm had endorsement deals with everyone from Nike to purchase him. Do to Barbie. Can't be women's Cup soccer. I can be going. Power power. And it wasn't just Mia. Not only did him help bring teammates to Nike ads, but those teammates, including ninety one vets Foudy, brandy Chastain, we're getting their own deals to play suck goodbye day. Then fight crime by night. They are the baddest mama's on the planet Turkey right on and chest. Brought to you by Bud Light a proud sponsor of the US women's national soccer team, the US women's national team had bonafide stars. And while corporate America was eager to take advantage of their celebrity US soccer didn't do nearly enough to anticipate how to capitalize. We said to US soccer in ninety eight maybe even ninety seven what are your plans to promote the team immediately following the World Cup knowing full well, that they never thought like this, and they're like, we'll get back to you. Now mind you a year and a half out. We don't know how successful this World Cup's going to be. But we believe as players it should be successful. So let's build on this moment soccer's the world. Game players like Foudy saw the potential for a successful World Cup to create lifelong American soccer fans. So what did you soccer say? They come back to us and said, well, we had thoughts of sending you to Egypt. I shit, you not. That's what they said it would be pretty hard to create more American soccer fans, when the team is in Egypt's, the US players had a better idea. So the took it upon themselves organize an event that would help grow the game at home to do. This. They needed to tour and play more games in front of American fans. But the federation had the rights to any sort of outdoor victory tour, they said, well, what if we go indoor John language center, note, saying, we have plans to do this and say didn't have plans to do it? And they never responded. They just blew us off. So we planned it. All we got sponsors toys, R us was a huge sponsor, the US players new ninety nine was going to be big. But it was bigger than anyone imagined. Think about this moment, again, they were on the cover of Sports Illustrated time and people. They sold out NFL stadiums, drew the largest US TV audience ever at the time for a soccer game that photo would brandy Chastain. Celebrating in sports bra represented just how earth shattering this moment was Americans, especially young girls and women had never seen women's supports look like this. And that bell could not be unraveling. This was everything. The players have been saying women's soccer could be in more. And in the wake of the victory. When we won the World Cup of nineteen ninety nine there was a full page ad the very next day in the newspaper of this toys R as victory tour with the national team. And US soccer went ballistic, despite all the warnings US. Soccer was shot, the federation set up a meeting with Foudy NIA ham, and Langdale. Now this is right after the US women had won the ninety nine World Cup there. The American cultural story of the summer there at the height of their powers in US, soccer didn't get that things had changed. They come in pretty heavy handed. How dare you do this, why wouldn't you do with us? Oh my God. What is going on here like revisionist history? We tried to do something with you. You weren't going to do anything. That's the whole point. You said you've never understood where we're coming from. This is the whole problem. Shockingly, soccer strategy of berating the teams leaders was not affective. So they tried to different tack. And then they said eventually, we will pay you more to do it with us Mia. And I started giggling, we said to them this, the problem, it's not about the money. It's the fact that you guys don't get it. You don't get us. You don't get how wired you don't get how we think you don't get that. The fact that you're not even thinking about planning something. We're not gonna just jump ship and go for more money when you don't get us. No. We're not doing that. This group believed in us, guys, haven't the argument Coleman. According to when you soccer threatened to sue the players if they went on their indoor tour and he a ham replied, quote, if you sue us, I'm prepared to never play for US soccer again. I said, yeah, I agree. I'm pretty good with that, too. I'd be happy to walk away from my career right now. Pam knew she has the support of Nike. Her biggest sponsor, which was also the largest source of income for US soccer and so out maneuvered by its most famous player, US soccer relented, the players went on their indoor tour. When you look at the legacy of that indoor victory tour that they started that victory tour still exist today. The team still goes on it after major tournaments in. It's a really important thing that the team does to kind of capitalize on the success that they've had in major tournaments build momentum connect with fans helped grow their audience help grow the game. If they never conceived of this tour hired people to put on this tour and then threatened to quit playing soccer in order to save this tour. US Agar was going to send them to play an Africa. It would have taken all the momentum of the women's World Cup and just threw it away. After ninety nine in the victory tour the collective bargaining agreement between the players and US soccer expired at the end of ninety nine just a few months before the two thousand Olympics. According to fatty, US soccer refused to negotiate a new deal. Eventually suggested simply extending the previous one the players responded by going on strike, so US soccer sentence under twenty three team to a pre-olympic tournament in Australia, and it won the turn amount. At this point you a soccer must have felt like it had the upper hand with its striking players. But afterward those senior US players made sure to call all the youth national team players and explain what was happening and why they should turn down any call ups from US soccer without accomplish. Foudy in the players were ready for what happened when they'd kept a hard line, at the negotiating table with US soccer general secretary, Hank Steinbrecher. He said, we'll find if you're not grateful, we'll just take under twenty three team to the Olympics, we said, no, you can't take them. We've talked to all of them, and they're on board with us, and he goes, we'll take an under nineteen team. We're like no. We've got them as well. And we had we've gotten to all the younger kids, we got them all on a conference, call and explain to them what we were doing. And we know you could take the fifteen we haven't gotten to them yet. If you want them, you can have, and then he realized like, oh, shit, they've got their shit together. We contacted Steinbrenner to get his side of the story, but he said he didn't want to. What we do know is a deal got done, and it was to the players liking with time to spare before the two thousand Olympics. The player signed a new CBA the gave them better pay and bonuses. And also writes it wanted to secure for a long time. We had things that we hadn't had in the past injury protection. If you were pregnant pregnancy protection you protected to have chance to come back and try out after having a baby. There was daycare, nanny support, you know, things like that, that we just we had never had to such an extent. And even more than a fair contract. They finally got a certain amount of validation, that women's soccer could be a functional business. They realized to rightfully so that there's a market, we're not tapping into there. No longer was the argument from US soccer side that there wasn't a market. We can't spend the money because we won't get the return. That's what they always said, does. And yet, even though they got some recognition, it didn't result in equal investment, the players got their hands on how US soccer allocated, some of its money and for the youth programs the numbers were stunning. Well, now our argument wasn't just aren't you marketing it was. Why are you spending eighty percent on a twelve year old boy and only twenty percent on a twelve year old girl? That's where we had them because they couldn't continue to make that argument. We used to say to them, honestly. I don't I don't care where you fall on the spectrum of love or. I hate women soccer just realize there's a market that you're not tapping into and stupid. Is that grab it in some ways, US soccer failing to see this market, and capitalize on? It wasn't all that surprising given fever took a similar approach despite finally starting the women's World Cup in ninety one FIBA had been missing chance after chance to truly invest in the women's game ever since sep- bladder would end up being a president for seventeen years, but he didn't use his considerable influence to push his member nations for sweeping change in women's soccer, and it didn't help that he had a habit of saying, cringe inducing, things about women in public. Set bladder friend or foe of women's soccer. I don't know. I mean I he was such an easy target for us, right? With the things he would say, and maybe behind the scenes he did more than we've given him credit for. But but how bladder talked about women in the game mattered? When fever finally added women to its board in twenty thirteen for the first time in it's one hundred ten year history, think about that for a moment bladder announced we now have three ladies on the board, say something ladies, you're always speaking at home say something now. Foudy remembers being on stage as part of the men's World Cup draw ninety seven in Marseilles. France, when bladder said something about her at the podium in French after Foudy left the stage. She says she encountered several apologetic women from fief. They explained to her, what bladder had actually said in French before a global audience. They're like, all he commented on, was how he liked your legs or something like that. You are beautiful. He did not say that. You are one of the captains of the US team. But for Foudy beyond ladders madman era comments. There was a deeper problem with fief under bladders. Watch it didn't change its policies enough to invest more in women's soccer and grow the game globally the way it could have. How can you not? Turn to your people at fee fund say, we are totally missing this market. We are not tapping into it. He put millions and millions of dollars into women's soccer. You're going to reap the rewards of that because it's a totally untapped market as we're now seeing finally which to me is inexcusable. If you're sip, blotter, you will the power if it decides not to prioritize women's soccer, and has a president who says the thing set bladder said, what message does that send to the federation's? Bladder is no longer the fee for president, but the US women's national teams fight for equality continues in March just three months before the twenty nineteen women's World Cup the team filed a gender discrimination lawsuit against US soccer these days. Alex Morgan, Megan repeated. We've become the leading voices replacing Foudy in ham. But today's players fight wouldn't be possible without their predecessors. Our fight was for equitable. They're fighting for equal. It's the logical progression. The frustrating thing is, when you hear them finding for very similar stuff that we fought for equal investment, equal staffing, equal marketing, that should be standard and yet you're still fighting for it. It's two thousand nineteen in players have to stand up to enact change, and unless they stand up. Changes at happening. The players from the nineteen Ninety-one US women's World Cup championship team with the ones who began that push for change. The reason anything changed was really that the players were standing up who she knew soccer being vocal complaining and not being afraid to back down the ninety one US women's national team attacked they pressed. And they didn't apologize that only continued in their fight for respect from the public and respect from their employers. They didn't just win. They move women's sports forward. We were a true team. We believed in ourselves. We were tough and gritty and we were not going to be a wanted to play. We wanted to fight, and you want to do what's right for future generations. And we wanted to put it all together. There's no lining deal with adversity saw this was adversely less. I wouldn't want it any other way to be a pioneer in. Something and have lived that and seeing it from both sides is, I think a great gift. When I started doing the interviews for this podcast series. I didn't know much about the ninety one women's World Cup other than the US wanted to hear the figures who were involved held their stories. It's been a gift creating a culture for women's soccer wasn't something that happened overnight in nine hundred ninety nine it took years of hard work of fighting establishment of toiling in anonymity for a payoff that wasn't certain the payoff. That hasn't yet been fully achieved. When I watched the World Cup this summer, I'll be thinking about the women of ninety one and where we've come from and one hopes where we're going, I have two girls, we'll be going to the World Cup this summer, and I get to create those memories with them and grateful for, for these players creating the environment to me to do. Throwback is written and hosted by me grant, wall produced by grant Irving, associate producers are Carrick, corn, Haber, and Harry scored out executive producers are Scott Brody, Ben eagle, editing by a mortgage stern, and Adam dourson, original music by Nolan Schneider mixed by Sam bear. Thanks to US soccer, canes thirteen and everyone who took time to speak with us with this episode fro back as production Sports Illustrated. For more of the best sports storytelling visit as dot com. I'm grant wall host of sports, Illustrated's planet football podcast, a show about all things soccer around the world. This summer is the women's World Cup and all the France covering the tournament. I'll also be joined stateside by sl staff writer lake in Littman. She won't be in France, but through the magic of podcasts, the two of us will still be together in your ears, breaking down all the biggest storylines throughout the tournament. We'll have new episodes after every US women's national team game starting with a preview episode on June sixth. Subscribe now to is planet football podcast. And listen for free on apple podcasts, Spotify Stitcher. In anywhere else you listen to podcasts.

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Introducing Throwback | 1

Sports Wars

07:05 min | 1 year ago

Introducing Throwback | 1

"There are many glorious and outrageous stories in sports history that become the stuff of legend. But those legends often have prequels that you've never heard of in that you'd never believe sports, Illustrated's, new podcast series throwback, looks at the most iconic moments in sports, and the unlikely stories of how those moments happened sports, Illustrated's, new podcast series throwback looks at the most iconic moments in sports, and the unlikely stories of how those moments happened take, for instance, the US women's national teams victory in the nineteen ninety nine women's World Cup final names like Julie, Foudy and me, a ham, probably come to mind, along with the iconic photo of brandy Chastain celebrating the winning goal in sports bra. But you probably don't know is that the moment was only possible. Thanks to another tournament. Eight years earlier, it involves a lot of the same players, including a nineteen year old Mia Hamm and fief had so little faith in it that they named it after a candy. Inspired by this summer's women's World Cup season. One of throwback is about the first women's World Cup in nineteen Ninety-one and the rise of women's soccer in the US. It's a tale of overwhelming. Odds game changing performances struggle for equality all without ever knowing if anyone would show up. Let's take a listen. Due nineteenth nineteen ninety nine it was a historic day for many reasons. The United States was hosting the women's World Cup for the first time the US national team was set to play giant stadium in New Jersey. But the historic moment, I wanna talk about took place before the first whistle before the team was in the stadium before they're even off the bus. Here's Christine Lilley who was about to play in her third World Cup. And then we started continue to go and the exit, we're getting off was where all the traffic was like geez. What is going on? Why is there such Shafiq enter exit? I know a traffic jam probably not historic moment. You are expecting the journalists Caitlyn Murray, the author of the book, the national team spoke about the magnitude of this moment. It wasn't until the players started to see that these cars, head paint on them that said go USA and they had read. White and blue. And that's one of the players realize. Away all of this. Traffic is here for us. See up until this point. No one was sure the US team would fill NFL stadiums. And as they got closer to the stadium people recognize that it was the team boss, and they were taking pictures of the players, the players had never seen anything like this. And they were taking pictures of the people taking pictures of them. This was the US national team playing in the World Cup. And they were shocked that so many people were on their way to see them. So imagine how they felt when they heard this Aaron. Hyphen PR guy gets on in these ladies. Last night and it's full seventy four thousand smarter. Tickets means at all like game sold out. We'll be so. And then we drive into the Meadowlands is, and we see people tailgating girls with me, a ham, jerseys on base paint and everything. And we're like holy cow. This is happening. This was the moment when everything changed for the us women's national team every stadium. We played in with sold out, and we had a following we were like Rockstars for like a month. The US would go on to win the ninety nine World Cup. They were on the covers of people time magazine. And yes, Sports Illustrated. They had done the unthinkable. They made a women's sport, a national obsession. They had come a long way in eight years. I'm grant wall, and this is sports. Illustrated's new podcast about the untold stories behind legendary sports moments welcome to throwback. The ninety nine US women weren't as sensation because they won they were a sensation before they even got off the bus why they fell that it was their job to make the ninety nine World Cup of big success. They were also putting in extra hours going to youth clinics schools soccer camps anything. They could find were kids were playing soccer. Stars of the national team would be there handing out flyers in telling them, you know, let everyone know we're going to be in your city for the World Cup and you need to come. It was sort of like a door to door salesman. Sort of mentality. Can you imagine any other professional athlete doing that? These were Olympic gold medalist hanging out with your kids during clinics, but that mentality didn't just happen. It was shaped by what came before. Sometimes you get the sense, people think. Women's soccer started in ninety nine but in reality, it was the end of the beginning they kept calling him pioneers. And I thought you know that is so true, but there were so much that happened before that that's former national team player. Shannon Higgins, Sarraf sqi, and the before. She's talking about is a prequel, even those die hard fans don't know much about there was a women's World Cup in nineteen ninety one. I've been covering soccer including the US women's national team since one thousand nine hundred six during the ninety nine World Cup by was a twenty five year old following the US team every step of the way for Sports Illustrated from that. Stunning sell out New Jersey to the post final. Party in California, the Sports Illustrated magazine that week with Robert Beck's, classic cover photo with brandy Chastain, celebrating in a sports bra. That was my first sl cover story on deadline. I've never seen a story. Catch fire like the US team. Did over those three glorious weeks for years. I've been covering the stars of this podcast, people like Michelle Akers. Julie Foudy, April Heinrichs Mia Hamm, and I still didn't know much about the earliest days of the team, what I discovered is ninety nine couldn't have possibly happened without ninety one or as Michelle Akers, who was on both teams puts it, the ninety nine World Cup team was the soon NAMI hitting the shore, that many years later, I don't think everyone quite understands what happened because I think that story hasn't been fully told. So what did happen subscribed to sports Illustrated's throwback, wherever you get your podcasts and binge all five episodes of season? One today.

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Women's World Cup: The '99ers' Fight For Equity, Soccer In South Korea, Norway's Champion

Only A Game

49:06 min | 1 year ago

Women's World Cup: The '99ers' Fight For Equity, Soccer In South Korea, Norway's Champion

"Support for only a game comes from honest beef, dry, aged purebred Angus beef traceable to the exact animal from which came from six generation family ranch to your table. They'd like to be your ranchers, honest beef dot com. This is only a game. I'm Karen given the women's World Cup is underway in France. And we're gonna spend much of this hour, telling stories about women and soccer and equity, and we might as well start here, the United States has fielded a national women's soccer teams since the mid nineteen eighties during those three decades they've been ranked number one most of the time. So that's a record of excellence going back thirty years. That's Jeffrey Gerson, he teaches sports and politics at UMass Lowell and he's right. The US women rock three world, championships, four Olympic golds. But their achievements on the field are equally matched by their achievements off the field. Reporter Ken showman has that story. It started in December nineteen ninety five the team was in Chula vista, California training for the nineteen Ninety-six Atlanta's summer games. It was the first time women would play soccer at the Olympics and nine of the. Team's top players weren't at camp. There were locked out in a contract dispute. One of them was Christine Lilley? And we are all scared led by co captains, Julie Foudy and Carla Overbeck the nine players spoke frequently the conference call. I remember one time said Jones, I, I don't know. I I'm really scared that I won't play in the Olympics. And, and she's like I am too, but. This is going to make a difference. They couldn't lock out all of us from the Olympics. That's Julie Foudy. But we have to stay in it now because if they start pulling this apart, then we're done. Breaking up this group wouldn't be easy. Foudy lily were all of twenty four but then the fellow holdouts had been together for a while. Eight years earlier in nineteen eighty seven Foudy lily. Joy Fawcett and Mia Hamm were at an under nineteen national team retreat in the mid west that, hey coach, the national team has answered door and he came into a room. And he's like I would like you guys to join the us women's national team. And I just thought there for a second 'cause I'm like I have to ask my parents, two months later, Lilley was playing in China where the sixteen year old became the youngest national team players score goal. She and her teammates traveled the globe writers called them the title nine babies the conditions weren't great. They played in baggy hamming downs from the man, when they flew we get our tickets at everyone's I who's in a middle. Everyone raise your hand right down. The middle of the plane is all of us sitting there, you know, and you can see all in the same colored shirts. You would just see it strip of red going up every. Seat. That's Julie Foudy again, or we were rose forty four and forty five and forty six with smoking back in the days. So you'd be essentially sitting in the smoking section going over to Europe in nineteen Ninety-one. The team won the first women's world championship fee for wasn't ready to call it a World Cup yet. The players were thrilled to wear, red white and blue. So what if a little smoke on the rise, but it was more than that Burr, staying in these dumpy hotels and we're hearing about the men's team staying in these nice hotels? And we're getting ten dollars a day, and no salary. Alan Rothenberg was president of US soccer at the time of that world championship. He taken the post a year earlier in nineteen ninety four when I came on as president of the United States, soccer federation, I didn't even know what we had a women's t Robin. Brooke says the federation had virtually no money, but they'd scrape together enough for training camp and small per Deums to help the women prepare for the nineteen Ninety-one tournament. The men's team by the way had next to no funds as well. But shortly after I became president federation, we created a camp and paid the men to get ready for the nineteen ninety four World Cup. Soccer was beginning to gain traction in the US, but the women still felt like second class citizens, Julie Foudy says one time the team had to take a Holiday Inn shuttle to a game. Label it as character building in the beginning. And then you start to get to a point where you're like okay, we're full of character. Now, we're overflowing with character. Let's move on this. Let's move. But how the team turned to tennis great Billie Jean King, king knew all about character and discrimination in nineteen. Seventy-three is defending US open champion king threatened to boycott the tournament unless the women received the same prize money as the men that same year. She defeated Bobby Riggs in the famous battle of the sexes king to the US women. She was especially close to Foudy Hayes to say you have this blank canvas and it's, it's not what you're building for you. It's what you building for the next generation. So think about how you want it to be for them. And that is what we always kept in mind when we were in labor negotiations. My name is Ellen. Save Ian anonymous sports attorney and a professor at George Washington University. Ellen's avian was the first female. Attorney to represent NFL players. She'd been doing it for nearly a decade when Foudy and team USA, co captain Carla Overbeck asked her for help with their contracts. These athletes had been together for so long that they came to me very unified. We did so much stuff together off the field Christine Lilley, because there was no computers. There's no cell phones. We are reading books. We were playing cards. We're playing board. Games is just a different time. And that builds camaraderie trust love for each other in late nineteen ninety-five with the Olympics just over the horizon. The nine women got new contracts from the federation, according to these contracts. The women would only receive an Olympic bonus, if they took gold in Atlanta, the men would get bonuses for gold silver or bronze following Ellen's, Abyan advice, Foudy lily, and their teammates crossed out the contested clauses, then facts, the contract back to US soccer in response US soccer canceled their invitations. The tool of is the training camp. The federation didn't know it, but Xavi and says the lockup was part of a plan. I very much wanted a lockout because the public looks at strikes as players winding and I had been through an eighty seven strike with an fell players where there were scabs, so from that experience. I realized that a lockout actually brings the media and the fans much more supportive of the players, the nine locked out players. Ellen's avian dug in for what looked like a long standoff and then somewhere along the line. I got a call at like six in the morning from Allen, who was on the west coast, and he started screaming at me just literally screaming at me, which I was used to with general managers and football teams. But this was that another level for the record Rothberg says he doesn't remember the phone call. No. But I'm sure it happened doubter. I got off the phone and. And called a friend of mine, and I said to him, this guy, just screamed and yelled at me and his immediate reply was, when they're screaming they're going down. So just hold out. He was right. A few weeks later. The federation folded its cards, the women would receive bonuses for gold silver or bronze. The players also got paid pregnancy leave severance pay additional performance, bonuses, and paid nannies for two players who had small children, the nine holdouts return to the team in early nineteen Ninety-six and started to get ready for the Olympics. The women took gold in Atlanta for Christine Lilley. The victory was sweet. That was always our goal in to stand on that podium with gold medals and being like, yes, we did it and, and for we did it for us, but for the rest of the next generation, and others. I mean new win and make a statement like that. That's huge. It's huge. I, I would say, one other thing team attorney Ellen's avian. I will never forget when the soccer players put a ton of gold, medals my neck. It said, they couldn't get here without the. Let me try let place where I was like myself more. I'll have more self you. Let me play this nugget captured the infectious spirit the US women had unleashed their Olympic gold put soccer on the national map along with women's sports. The US was scheduled to host the next women's World Cup in nineteen ninety nine fever wanted to play the matches and small stadiums and just in the northeast. But Rothenberg in the federation stepped up, big, we partition fevers said we have enough confidence in this team. And in this country that we think we can put the World Cup on for the women in the big stadiums in the major cities, just like we had done for the men in ninety four fever. Basically said, okay, go ahead and do it. They gave us virtually no financial support. That was a huge risk that they took UMass Lowell professor Jeff Gerson, and it paid off tremendously. They sold out Giants Stadium. They sold out the Rose Bowl ninety thousand. Plus people they went beyond anyone's wildest dreams. On this next Chastain. We'll take. The PK heard round the world Olympic champions world champions for a second time. It was nineteen ninety nine and the team was peeking. These young women played great soccer. They were personable and articulate, but the fight wasn't over Nike and Gatorade had signed on his sponsors for the US soccer federation, their marquee player, Mia, Hamm star striker for the women's team. But even with a woman as the face of American soccer, the federation, poured, most of its resources into the men's team, which lost all three of its matches at the nineteen ninety eight World Cup. It was time to turn up the heat the two thousand summer Olympics weren't far off, and Julie Foudy felt the balance of power shifting market that they kept telling us didn't exist, which was always there. First argument, they would go to they being US. Soccer was something we just proved to be wrong onto the next round of collective bargaining. This time. I'm there Lori was Philadelphia sports attorney John Lang Lang. I met the team at a training camp. In Greensboro, South Carolina after two decades spent representing world-class pro athletes. He thought he was done with being starstruck. I walked in the room and saw, it was a room full of twenty twenty five women who in the course of an hour, told me how dynamic they were helped passionate. They were smart. They were how they were visionaries and so long into the future. And by the time I left the meeting the hairs on my arms were standing straight up after the World Cup victory nineteen ninety nine the US women found their own sponsor and started planning their own victory tour twelve matches and twelve U cities, the players some of whom earned just nine thousand dollars a year from US soccer would pocket hefty bonuses. The federation, which was planning its own Rick retort for the team wasn't. Happy it after a few days of meetings, they fold it again. Along with the right to hold their own victory tour. The players went better, salaries more generous bonuses, improved training, facilities and massage, therapists, Julie Foudy says these negotiations were even more impactful than the ninety six Olympic tug of war in the negotiation tenor changed, drastically, and our demands change drastically in terms of market and equitable support. Today, the path cut by the ninety nine team serves as a roadmap for national teams around the world fighting for gender equity, but the fight goes on at home in March a few months before this summer's women's World Cup in France. The defending champion US team filed a gender discrimination suit against US soccer. It's not only about leaving our sport in a better place, leaving it better for the young girls that will come after. But just in general inspiring, women around the world, Julie Foudy has taken the baton from Billie Jean King, and serves as Manta two other female athletes in their fight for parody. Get us inspiring the canvas Foudy and her teammates helped to paint might be. She says the work is still unfinished taken twenty years for us to be able to even say, we're at a tipping point for one and soccer. So that's where I get frustrated, and that it wasn't as speedy catalyst as I had hoped in two thousand and eleven twenty three years after she asked her parents permission to join the US national team Christine Lilley hung. Oppor cleats today. She runs soccer and training, camps and recently published a book on leadership. Oh, and she coaches her two young daughters. Soccer teams. They know mommy won medals, but, but to them, a mom, and their favorite players are Alex Morgan. Megara Pino Tobin heath so mommy's. Like, okay. This year nearly twenty years since their nineteen ninety nine World Cup triumph. Lily and her former teammates held a reunion in Los Angeles. The ninety nine watched a workout and took photos on the field with the women who now represent the US many of the current players told lily how they'd always looked up to the ninety nine team. That's great literally replied, because now arcades look up to you. That's reporter Ken, showman. Jeffrey Gerson provided planning and production help for this story. He's the author of an oral history of the fight for gender equity in US, women's soccer Christine Lilley is the author of powerhouse thirteen teamwork tactics that build excellence and unrivaled success. You're listening to only game from NPR. Support for only a game comes from honest beef traceability. So bold the customers can even know the genetic pedigree of their steak or burger from a sixth generation family ranch in the Nebraska's sandhills. Honest beef is dedicated to telling the story of your beef, follow along on Instagram to see their life on the ranch working to provide their customers with high quality dry, aged beef that they can feel great about from their ranch to your door. They liked to be your ranchers, honest beef dot com. Is there age discrimination from employers? What is it about ping in advance that makes people faster picking up their dry cleaning? I'm Stacey Vanik Smith. And I'm Cardiff Garcia. We are the co hosts of planet. Money's the indicator where we answer these questions from you, our listeners every day, and in less than ten minutes. I'm Karen, given an it's time for three stories. You should know team USA is in France looking to repeat as women's World Cup champions with maybe a little bit of help from a very young fee, and that's where we're going to start this week, I'm joined by Bleacher reports Mirren fater, and professor, Kenneth Shropshire CEO of Arizona state university's global sport institute, welcome back to both of you. Thanks for having me. Karen good to be here. Mirren. Tell us about this young FINA. Mm-hmm. So I profiled Mallory Pugh for Bleacher reports. Biard Magon shirts story about a twenty one year old FINA m- somebody with incredible speed incredible playmaking ability. But you know what it's really about is how hard it is to be a prodigy how much pressure and expectations there are on young people. It's only getting worse. I mean, I think the emphasis on young and young and young has really hit women's soccer recently alluvia multi thirteen year old turn pro and Mallory pew entered the national stage at fourteen. So what you have here. Is this dynamic where the expectations are only getting bigger and what I realize in talking with Mallory is that it really affects her psyche. She's in a battle with herself constantly questioning, you know my good enough to be here. Most of us are not our most confident cells at twenty one and Mallory story and Olympia story really caused us to question. You know, what's the effect of putting so much emphasis in wait on? Our younger players, and, and how does it really affect their mental health? One of those were studying a lot is audio transitions in the heart of the problem, we've determined starting the transition concept as early as possible getting every athlete to be clear. It's not gonna last forever. What are you going to do next and part of the problem of getting athletes to do that is the culture that says, if you think about anything else, you're not thinking about whatever it is you're playing so it's thrilling to see these young people be successful, but it's also kind of a tight rope kind of feeling of what's going to happen when the end of the career comes my first reaction to all of this is to really feel terrible about the pressures we put on these very, very young athletes, especially for me when it comes to the choice of whether to play in college or turn pro because for ninety nine point nine percent of college aged women soccer players, the absolute. Right. Answer is to go to college and for those very. Few very, very elite players college isn't the right choice, but that feels like a very lonely decision to make. I mean when I was reading your piece Mirren, that is the main sense that I felt was not so much the pressure. But the real loneliness that Mallory felt as she was sort of pulled away from her support systems and pushed out on her own really kind of maybe before she was entirely ready for that. But on the other hand, whenever female athletes are subjected to the same pressures that male athletes have been subjected to for decades, I kind of do a little happy dance. Is it just me? It's hard, right? You, you wanna celebrate the fact that they have this opportunity to go pro and get the things that come with being a pro but the money is so not the same for women that it is for men. So the incentive is different. I think talking with Mallory like she used the word lost. And I think that's really hard because a lot of these young prodigies are supposed to. Feel anything but lost they're put on this one track for all of their lives. And for her, she had to figure out her way, and we don't really talk about the growing pains that come with it. Can you're up more stories about Kevin warned the new Commissioner of the big ten? He's the first African American Commissioner the big ten first African American Commissioner of a power five college conference. It really is a moment to celebrate kind of have this awkward thing about celebrating African American gender. Always I still made me kind of uneasy. So maybe a moment to, to acknowledge is Kevin gets this job, and he's a wonderful guy. I've known him for years. He leaves a job as a CEO of the Minnesota Vikings, and he was the highest ranking African American with a team in the National Football League. And this is a league somebody said this the other day which I thought was a great way to phrase it. It's easier to find a former black, president of the United s-. States than it is of an NFL football team. So it's a very interesting moment to see what the NFL does to me, it should be pretty revealing that once again, we have this presence of people of color on the field of play. But the closer, you get to the real money, the less likely you are to see a person of color, and losing, Kevin, Kevin has one great job moves to another. It's going to be interesting to see if someone else comes in, and if the league has more of a wake-up call minutes head about the absence of African Americans in this president position. I agree I out they use this as an opportunity to, you know, make sure a personal color fills out role, and I think also it was it was really cool to see that in the articles about him. And this job he said, I wanna make sure that I opened up doors for other people in knowing that, it's, it's not just this position, but, you know, hopefully, inspire others to follow suit as well. Yeah I mean as you say can in a league where maybe seventy percent of the player. Are African American that NFL now has zero top executives with teams were black, just one black GM and three black head coaches. And that's pretty pitiful. But I wanted to ask you about something else, which is we all know that. The NFL has a terrible track record when it comes to diversity, but so does the instable a, you know, and Kevin Warren will now be in a position. It feels like to make some real changes in a space that needs some real changes. Absolutely. There's such a long way to go. But the key to this, and in the key with race issues gender issues sexual preference issues is that there is this diversity in the room, where decisions are being made, and to be in the room where these power five commissioners are making these determinations about pay for athletes about where funding should go above the new meteorites deals to have Kevin in there in into. No. And the is that guy that. Will be no nonsense about any race issues going askew in the conversation. So that's wonderful and, and again to give everybody the benefit out. We should give them. There are many people that have not had close relationships with people that are different from them, and for, for these crusty. Oh, guys and a few exceptions to have moments with Kevin will be a good thing to say. Oh, if somebody can do the job, they can do the job. Let's look for the best candidate in a way that we have not before. All right. Until this week, I had never heard of Charles, Glenn, but that was before I read a profile in the New York Times, and then immediately went to YouTube to your him sing. Key? Charles Glenn has been the anthem assed for the Saint Louis blues for nineteen years. And he will belt out that song just one more time on Sunday night before game six of the NHL finals. Unlike other professional sports teams, a lot of NHL teams feature the same singer over and over again in Boston for many years. It was this guy named Rene ran court. And if it wasn't for his real deep connection with Bruins fans, I would never have experienced what was for me. The best national anthem of my life, which was just days after the Boston marathon bombing, and ran court came out onto the ice sang the first three words and then conducted the fans to sing the anthem themselves it was absolutely beautiful. And so I'm wondering, does the NHL? Get this, right. Or would you rather see minor celebrities and youth choirs serving up the national anthem? You know, you been try. Since you, I brought this to trying to figure out my preference on this, and the rendition is wonderful. This, this guy is going to be sorely missed as a business person, the cost efficiency of having the same person, and you don't have the person where you have to have the, the coats, they'll come out and help them. Remember the words or what those incidents, we see over and over again. Let's say, I'm you the Mona Lisa to me. Sometimes it looks good. It doesn't. I think it's okay, do you come down more strongly? I really like this concept of it being one guy had a hell of a run. It's incredible. It's, it's almost like athletes. You know, we, we go the games, we look forward to seeing them, we feel this connection to them, even though we actually have no connection to them. But I like that. You feel like you can I feel like bringing the same person makes me feel that special feeling my guest for this week's edition of three stories you should know have been Bleacher reports Miron fater, and Kenneth Shropshire CEO of AirAsia, states, global sport constituent, thanks to both of you things. Mr. decisionmaker here. As you're getting ready to support the women in this World Cup. Remember, you can also support only game by subscribing to our pad cast at Apple's Stitcher, or wherever you get your podcasts after you hit subscribe feel free to celebrate by shouting. Or leave us a review that's probably less weird. The minimum salary in the NWS L that top women's soccer league in the US went up this year to sixteen thousand five hundred thirty eight dollars even for a player who stays with a host, family, and gets transportation assistance from her team. It's not easy to live off sixteen thousand five hundred thirty eight dollars a year, but in some leaks. In other countries, women, earn better wages, Georgia cloak full spent a season playing in South Korea. Here's georgia. A glossary. Up sick too. Hungry. Is the first Korean words? Arrive in January snowplows clear, our training fields on the eastern coast of Korea. The subzero wind bites my naked hands on the second morning teammate gives me a pair of her clothes we live in a hotel for six weeks preseason, there's a sullen heaviness to our trainings, which are every day of the week twice. Hinder. They teach me difficult. Most of the season, we live in Incheon, South Korea on a man-made island in the Yellow Sea, the waves reach edge of our dormitory, which is secured by gate and three security guards. Some pollution blows across the ocean from Beijing. But some of it, I can see wafting up into the sky across bay from factories in Seoul. When the sky's blue it is blue only above my head in vertical strip most days. The horizon is cooked by yellow grey, haze. The guards bike in circles to patrol the area around the field in housing during my first week the oldest one pulls me aside on my way out to the training field proudly showing off the translation apps. He has on his phone. He's speaks into the microphone and his phone speaks to me. What is your name, speak back, my name's Georgia, and he smiles as he reads transcribe Korean? And South Korea athletes, give up most of their formal education at the age of twelve starting then their sport is their main focus. They often trained three times a day upon graduation female soccer players hoped to secure a spot on the teams that make up the professional league here. They can make a more stable wage than is offered almost anywhere in the world to female players. Even my teammates who speak. No English can say at least one word fighting, I learned quickly that fighting commune stay strong. It commune suck it up a commune tuneup a community. You're up it could mean move on a commune play hard or let's go. There's a certain strength year in hiding emotion in fighting through most things instead of fighting for them. I spend my first few nights getting to know my new teammates via Google translate ignorantly asked them, what they studied in school. Oscar only soccer, I asked what they'll do after they stop playing. One teammate thirty tells me that she might want to be Pilates teacher. Everyone else says, I haven't thought about that. So you only place she tells me because her father wants her to I like drawing and reading books. I don't really like soccer. She says. Sue junk says she started playing soccer because it made sense, financially for her family, sagas housed fed her since she was twelve years old. Mince owes twenty nine in place for the money. Her sister works in her parent's restaurant makes only six dollars an hour. Outside of training. We have much of the day to ourselves around the dorms for individual training or sleeping. We eat three meals a day together, boarding the bus every few hours to eat at local restaurants, as I walk around with a backpack on get asked wary you going. As might be escaping. A college friend who lives in Seoul comes to one of my games, we're playing at Hyo Chang stadium in the heart of soul. It can seat over fifteen thousand fans. Tonight is raining. So the usually small crowd is reduced even more. Maybe fifty people are scattered in the stance. I find my friend after the game ends. She hugs me congratulates me on the win. And then asked what appeals like to perform for no one to play in an empty stadium full of echo. Does it ever feel sad? You do never work a day in your life. In Korea training repetitive creativity gives wage wrote technique in have it. Formation measures of progress are very small. The language barriers problem during practice once I can remember all the patterns of our passing droughts. My teammates are impressed by how quickly my confusion has subsided. A memorization isn't language doesn't require any real understanding. If they are home games in a town called Wotton almost three hours from where we live, the northernmost part of the area's only nine kilometers from the demilitarize the border between north and South Korea or stadiums smallest in the league come seven PM when our game start young soldiers fill the grandstand, they cheer in class and break my name down to a convenient three syllables of makeup, the Korean spilling on the back of majors. Toji a-. As parents together, for company that collects recycling from businesses since you started playing in Korea. She's made more money than them, but she's unhappy here when she expresses her unhappiness, her father tells her to stick with the money is too good in her life isn't all that hard. Do you like your job? She asked him. No. Why do you do? I don't have any other choice. John, my soccer coach during a couple of formative teenage years. Tell us how to salsa dance tournament in Las Vegas. He told us that he had once played professionally, I remember him saying the money ruined it for him money stopped being fun for him money cost in the companionship of his teammates, the ease with which he had once played among them. The same thought surfaces. When the fight is over for equal pay. What might we lose? That's Georgia Klipfel reading her essay, the shape of dream can expand and shrink an American soccer life in South Korea. It was originally published by howler the audio version was produced by trust averse. Dick, we'll have music credits at only game dot org. In the fall of two thousand seventeen Norway's national team made headlines the women's started receiving the same match fee as the men took a reallocation of some of the budget at the federation. But also the men agreeing to give up some of their match fees the women could earn the same. So why is the best player in Norway? Still refusing the play in the World Cup. The answer is coming up. And remember, you can follow us on Facebook and Twitter at only game. And he are. When's the last time you had a really good workout? Known of vice apps. But if you'll brain I'm Sean Covey, Don host of hidden brain. Listen every week. And flex your mind. I'm Sharon given next week on only game. The story of how Yogi Berra's tough love helped his Sunday. But now Charlie Pierce here with the week's news. Hi, charlie. Hey, we don't usually start this segment with talk of women's soccer, but this is a special week. Right. Right. You have the women's World Cup in the United States favorite, which means everybody's targeting them. Well, I mean this year some people are saying that the United States is not quite the favorite better described, maybe as co favorites along with tournament host France. Are you cheering for parody or you cheering for the good old USA you know, I'm rooting for good games. I hope the United States wins. Yeah. Them rooting for games that will sell this forty even further than it is sold now because it's really a remarkable success story. Absolutely of the courtside fan who shoved him during game three of the NBA finals raptors guard. Kyle Lowry said quote fans like that shouldn't be allowed in there. I hope they ban him from all NBA games forever afterwards. We learned that the fan in question was warriors, minority investor Mark Stevens, which makes it so so much worse. Right. Oh, absolutely. And you can't have this. I mean it's bad enough. The NBA sell seats practically the midcourt line, but you can't patron shoving athletes that sound that. Craziness started the palace back in the day. Well the warriors band Stevens for the rest of the finals, then the league and the warriors suspended him for all of next year and fined him five hundred thousand dollars. Some are saying he should be forced to sell his shares. Do you agree? I think it would be a good thing for all concerned. If you were put that guy in a padded luxury box, get him the heck out of the arena. Lebron James was watching that game on TV but he took to Instagram to make the point that the league needs to do more to protect players. Lebron said that if Lowry had reacted to defend himself against Stevens fans would be calling for Lowry to be suspended for the rest of the finals. Maybe even jailed is he right? Is actually, right? Maybe Larry should've cleverly slew footed the guy. Well, we are going to get the Slough foot in just a bit. But I was actually confused by the fact that people were referring to Stevens as minority investor instead of minority owner until I saw report from TM's evil places about a rather quiet push in the NBA to move away from the word owner. Why is that happening? And what do you make of it won't because Draymond green may not altogether, unreasonable point that we haven't allowed, one set of people to own another set of people in this country, taking sixty five you can argue that this is political correctness run amok, I wouldn't I think it's perfectly fine, if they start calling them whatever they call them instead of owners. All right back to the Slough foot, what do you make of referee Kelly Sutherland swallowing of the whistle in game five of the NHL finals? If you wanna know what a slew foot is watched video, you'll never see a clear example of what it is, basically you'll. Leave your leg behind. So a guy will triple Bruin Nola Ciardi, who was the victim of the Slough foot went over backwards, which is the worst way to fall. Nice his head now. He's in the concussion protocol, and Bruce, coach Bruce Cassidy went up the wall about it, and he should have this has been a swallow your whistle series. I mean there are all time hockey fans who wants love it. But there's a lot of stuff going on out there genuinely angels last month. Tom Brady filed to requests with the US patent and trademark office to trademark name Tom terrific. So what's the problem? I don't know because I think forgotten nineteen sixties cartoon shows should be respected down through the years. We're not talking about that. We're talking about Tom Seaver, right? We are we are I can sing the jingle for you. By the way, there was really a TV show. It was called Tom terrific and Manfred, the wonder dog was companion. I'm Tom terrific greatest hero ever. And that's where Tom Seaver got it from. So you learn things here only game. And by the way, you can find full episodes of the time, terrific cartoon. On the YouTube. I'm gonna look it up. Right. As soon as we're done here. Okay. Brady's response to the controversy is that he filed for the trademark protections to stop anyone from calling him by that name. Was there a crush of people trying to force this nickname on him? You know, in his later years, Tom has become a little bit inscrutable. Somebody calls Tom terrific on the streets. He going to do that person. I'm sure there's a branding thing here somewhere and finally Charlie, we have a new world record and hat new world record is. Young and Marie Vance who was twenty minutes old when this happened. She got the, the STAN. And she's the youngest person ever to do. So I would like to know how many like adults tried to sit in the Stanley Cup before we before we make a big deal this to hit a watch party, apparently in the labor room and the NHL brought the Cup over and they're lovely photos of Lynn Marie snoozing away in the bowl Cup Turley Pierce joins us each week at this time only game. Thanks, charlie. Thanks, karen. Terrific rates. You will web is a name for me. I'm supplying. Flavor. We started this show with a story about the women's national team and it's fight for equitable pay. But now I wanna talk about another team playing in this women's World Cup and that team is Norway on a level playing field up lust the Norwegian women's football team have just secured a world. First off the pitch becoming the first female national team to receive the same pay deal as male counterparts. For the record Iceland was actually the first country to pay its men's and women's teams equal salaries, but Norway's announcement was still a pretty big deal. It took a reallocation of some of the budget at the federation, but also the men agreeing to give up some of their match fees the women could earn the same. That's Joshua Robinson. He covers European sports for the Wall Street Journal. So here's how the deal went down in the fall of two thousand seventeen the Norwegian players association, which represents both the men's and women's team players asked the Norwegian Football Association or FA to increase marketing money for the women instead according to the head of the players association. The FA said, quote, wouldn't it be a good signal? If we did things equally the men's team agreed to take a small pay cut and the women's salaries nearly doubled. So why would Norway's FA take this? Step making concession, the union hadn't even asked for well, you could argue that they did it because of this woman, Nowegian strike oughta Hege could win back to that troubles. This year. If you play in France, no hallways. The first weeks Hecker widely considered the best striker in the world refuses to play for the national team Hege, I suppose, we should actually start by deciding how to pronounce this name Otta ADA outta Awda Hager bird, so win. Did you first hear that name when and how did she sort of come onto the scene? She's anyone who follows women's football and football in Europe. Heggers name has been around for at least a couple of years. She's tricky plane into the box Hanner crafts chance for hanging. They come back. She's been tearing it up for Leo, which is one of the most dominant teams not just in women's soccer. But in sports in the world they've won over ten straight league titles. And france. In fact, in the four years, that she's been Leone, she's only failed to win one tournament that the team was entered in. She has more trophies than any player can ever imagine by the age of twenty three and last winter. She also made a splash when she won the first bound door it was a momentous night. The balan- door is apprised awarded by a French soccer magazine over the last half century for the best player in the world and there's always been a men's award. And last year for the first time they worded it to the women's player of the year, and that was hegab. She was the clear favourite and the clear choice for it. And unfortunately, what happened was in this bizarre kind of insulting moment. A French DJ, who was hosting the ceremony asked her, do you know how to twerk as sets? Okay. Everyone in the room's, jaw hit the floor. No one knew quite with make of this. And she put him right in his place and said, no. And as you say, this twerk thing really sort of interrupted her message which turned out to be a very lovely message. These speech the municipal. Two young girl who's and fee moaned or even yourself. She's I wanna go back a bed oughta. Hege burg. I came onto the international scene through her national team. Right. Which he started playing for when she was wet sixteen. Yes, she was a young teenager, when she first broke through into into the national team already her talent was clear Hege roots been in a challenging position with the with the national team ever since the euro's two years ago. J of being eliminated yelled the Chelsea player. No. She. Norway crashed out historically, good team Norway, but they crashed out without a so much a goal or victory in the group stage and that was enough for her. She left the team and decided that the conditions of the national team we're not we're not geared for high performance geared for excellence. And it was a question of respect for the women's national team, which historically has been much more successful than the men's national team in Norway. Norway was starting from place that was already much more gal -tarian than most countries with respect to women's sports and women's sports funding. And yet she still felt that things. Weren't quite right. So she stepped away. It was huge news in Norway, so Hecker stepped away from the team in August two thousand seventeen and it was just a couple of months later in October, that Norway announced that equal pay deal. But that wasn't enough to bring her back. It sounds like for her. It's not really about the money. No. I don't think it's about the money. I think it's a question of attitudes that she perceived within the whole national team setup from the federation side, they're pretty hopeful that someday. She might reconsider. She's only twenty three and she's got a long career in front of her, and it is slightly goaling for them to know that the western woman soccer from their country. And what we're the jersey. So the conversation is expected to resume after the World Cup. But for now Hege Burg is perfectly content to focus on her club soccer and France as the women's World Cup approached. The spotlight was always going to be on Hege bark and her decision but three weeks ago in the Champions League final. She reminded everyone. What Norway was going to be missing in this tournament? Right. She couldn't have timed it better. Second easy as you like once again. So it was Leo from France. The defending champions of France against Barcelona the best team in Spain and they met in the final in Budapest in the national stadium. There were more than twenty thousand people in the stadium, which is a huge attendance for when they offer in Europe. She scored a hat trick in the space of thirty minutes in the first half. With this. She burst through the screen. I mean she was unbelievable to watch. But interestingly enough, the Norwegian national team has been doing pretty well without Heckert, too, right? Yeah, they've, they've progressed over the last two years. I mean, certainly they couldn't do any worse than they did at the euros, but they're in a tough group at the women's World Cup and includes one of the pre-tournament favorites and host, France, it's hasn't been easy for Hager either. I mean, this is not a decision she took lightly and from people close to that I've spoken to. It's one she she's grappled with for a long time. But that she is at peace with right now, it really is no small thing to give up the biggest stage in women's soccer to stick to your guns, and is this stand. She's taking likely to have an impact are we all just gonna forget about it once the games really get going. I think the fact that would talking about it is already showing that there is an impact and her absence will be felt that the tournament, every time Norway trots out there, we're going to hear about Heckert not being there. But it is a wake up call for more than Norway. The fact that this is happening at the what we'll be probably the most watched women's World Cup and women's World Cup history. Because every tournament beats the last it acts kind of megaphone for her message. And I think that others will pay attention, you would hope take a hard look at themselves, and how they run their federations. Joshua Robinson is based in France, where he covers European sports for the Wall Street Journal will have a link to his article on oughta hegab erg at only game dot org. Only game is produced by Martin Kessler. Gary Wallich with help from Nico, imac and Matthew stock. Our technical director Martisn eel, our executive producer is me. I'm Karen given. Only game returns next week. Thanks for listening.

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But the wild success of ninety nine gave the US women a launchpad to build the world's first fully professional women's soccer league. And that's what this story is all about. It's brought to us by producers Andrew Helms and Meredith hot not here's Meredith bringing us the story of backpass. Really? Coach so nice to have you with that damned video camera. Every time somebody walks out. Julie Foudy was always recording on her camcorder. And she was rolling as the national team bus headed to the opening game of the nineteen ninety nine women's World Cup. Julia was co captain a star midfielder and the team's unofficial cinematographer, Freddie, turn around through gimme a few words about this game time spirits were high that day as the team went to giant stadium in New Jersey. Julie wasn't worried about the game. The team had been training for months, but she was worried about empty seats. Like, oh, shed. I hope people come my love Kaos, probably not. Oh, yeah. Oh, good. You know, sh if people don't come the country barely noticed when they won the first ever women's World Cup in ninety one that day on the bus. They wondered if anyone would pay attention this time. And then they hit traffic, Julie and goalkeeper Bray and scurry watched as the jersey turnpike turned into a parking lot. We're night. My god. What is this? This is crazy. We're not going to get to our game. I'm. We're gonna be late her own wedding, basically, which is not good. And then we realize it's all cars with like, you know, we love go. He knew all coming game. Acquainting girls. Believing little school world. Darling. Erin. Hi fits our press. Officers standing on the buses were driving to the first game. And he says, you know, I wanna know. Today's game. This is Joe. Annoyed. We the whole Bustos. That's when I think we realized all right? We might be onto something here. This is this is bigger than even we dreamt. It could be. Fever has hit the United States the US rush the competition. They racked up win after win and sailed past Brazil into the final. The teams run captivated the country. This event is is a lightning rod for not just for women's or finally women's sports could fill the biggest stadiums in the country. We've never seen anything like this in the history of the planet. Welcome everyone to the Rose Bowl in Pasadena, California for the much anticipated final between, China and the United States. The Rosebowl was packed. It was crazy. Everybody was hooked on these women winning World Cup. Shannon, Boxx cheered from the stands with their face. Painted red white and blue oh it was blazing. It was so hot and on the field. I remember them saying it was like over one hundred degrees. Shannon had graduated from Notre Dame a few months earlier. She was a top college soccer player and had dreamed of playing for the United States. But she was always just below the national team level after college. There was nowhere for her to play women's professionally in no way to make it the national team, man. I really wish that could have been something for me. I really wish I could have made it to that level. Ninety thousand fans filled the Rosebowl and millions more tuned in from home. The final match against China was the most watched soccer game in American history. At that time the nation health breath first half. No goals. Second half. No goals overtime. Still no goals. Referee assist with the watch the winner. Nineteen ninety World Cup will be this. Kicks in all came down to just one cake. Brandy Chastain approach the penalty spot down the ball instead of back team. Captain Carla Overbeck was standing behind her at midfield. I'm a little superstitious. And I couldn't watch I'm looking down. Because I knew if she missed I would hear the crowd go. Oh, and I knew if she made it I would just hear craziness. And so I wasn't watching. And then all of a sudden. Entire stadium. Just -rupt. It. Branding rips, offer jersey and falls to her knees. Without a doubt, this is the lasting image of the World Cup. Brandy Chastain on her knees waving her jersey instead of wearing it. Brandy and the national team were everywhere. Get ready for the girls of summer nationwide victory party continues today magazines commercials morning shows the White House. Welcome. This remarkable team. Their trial has surely become America's trial by creating the largest women's sporting event. In history. They have exploded the myth once and for all that women's sports can't attract fans, and it is about time that that is happening. They were stars and their popularity kept rising Julian the rest of the team realized that this was the moment to chase their dream and build the world's first women's professional soccer league. This remember thinking like is this the reality? Like, we're we're actually gonna pull this off a pro league would build on the energy of ninety nine and grow the game for future generations to start a league they needed approval from the US soccer federation, the governing body of the sport in America. But there was a problem we had no trust with our federation. I mean, it was the relationship was was torn it was bad. The national team had been fighting with US soccer for years. The twenty women on the US soccer team are paid between fifteen thousand dollars and thirty five thousand a year more of a stipend we didn't wanna make millions co captain Carla Overbeck we just wanted to be able to survive and not have to get outside employment to play the game. We loved team ten twelve years. And yet our salaries are squad. You know, it's doesn't seem fair the fights escalated after Julie met tennis legend, Billie Jean King in icon, a leader in the fight for gender equality in sports. Julie told Billie Jean about the team struggles with the federation I say to her we've been going through this for years now, and we're tired. What do we do? She looked at me and said, well, what are you doing? I was like what what do you mean? She's what are you doing fatty? You is players. What are you doing and is Billie Jean? You know, does she goes into this kind of roar? Like, you have ever GE you change it. By the time of the ninety nine World Cup. The players had gotten more organized and hired a lawyer the fights were brutal and the women's success in ninety nine only amplified the tension just when they needed the federation support to start a new league. There was not a player on the national team. That felt like the federation wanted a women's league the women will leave the federation saw their success as a threat the new men's league, Major League Soccer US soccer had invested millions to help 'em Alaska it off the ground. We felt that they thought it was competition. It was like that markets crowded. We're already struggling in it get. US soccer asked MLS to submit a plan for a women's league. That scared Julian the national team who felt like a women's league under MLS would be an afterthought a sideshow to the men's main event we felt that any effort by them was simply an effort to impede the women wanted league independent from MLS. And for the first time they had another option team represented something that was very special on the American stage. Jon Hendricks and his family loved the national team the heart that they played with they never ever gave up as so for those of us who have daughters. We want them to experience that. And so that was a very powerful. Motivation. Jon Hendricks wasn't just any fan. He was the multimillionaire founder and CEO of the Discovery Channel. John had heard about the women's idea for a pro league. And he saw business opportunity who's a chance to do something. Good. Try to build a business as well. And so I started calling my friends. One by one John reached out to his buddies at Comcast Time Warner and Cox enterprises, they were the giants of the cable industry executives who call themselves the cable Cowboys one of his first calls with Jim Kennedy, the chairman and CEO at Cox. I have this idea. I think the time has come for us to have a women's league here in America. He pitched them on his vision of the w USA the women's United soccer association a league with eight teams in eight cities across the country w USA would be a business built on the stars of ninety nine. They were the key to reaching a growing demographic of soccer moms in their minivans. Like me a him selling girl. Power and Gatorade longside, Michael Jordan had enough. It wasn't unreasonable to think these women could really be the face of soccer in America, not just women's soccer. John asked the cable companies to put in five million dollars per team start up capital to launch the league and keep it going for five years altogether. They put in forty million dollars to capture the magic of the ninety nine World Cup. They were presold. Everybody was in love with the US women's national team. It was fairly easy. They also John if you're in it, I'm in it. And let's give it a shot. Julie Foudy was thrilled. When she heard that a bunch of millionaire cable executives wanted to fund a women's league. We almost saw it as a way out from underneath US Okker here like free. Let's get out of this place. We've got someone else. Finally, Carla Overbeck felt the difference between the US soccer and Jon Hendricks. It was just refreshing because so many other meetings with the federation it was a fight and here this man of this magnitude had an appreciation for what we did. And what we could possibly do starting league. For the first time in their careers. Soccer could be a full time job for these world champions, some of the players on the national team just scraping by on fifteen thousand dollars a year. Now w USA was offering these same players in eighty thousand dollar salary and a five year guaranteed contract in a we were basically like where do you want us to sign? What are you be this to do? We're in. The national team in cable company. Investors worked together to get approval from US soccer after months of delays. The federation signed off and Julie Foudy announced the start of their new league at a launch event in November two thousand or an awesome day. What an awesome day, we have dreamt and talked about it. You know, how cool would it be to not only start a league in this country? But have the best league in the entire world. And we are doing. To spread the magic of ninety nine. The twenty World Cup stars. Join teams across the league Mia Hamm signed with the Washington freedom. Brandy Chastain with the bay area. Cyberrays and Julie Foudy went to her hometown team. The San Diego spirit that left a lot of open spots on teams around the country and Shannon box wanted in. That was like, well, I want to be part of this. The national team is for the rare few but I can play in a professional league and be a professional soccer player. Most women couldn't say that they were professional athlete at that point. Shannon had thought her playing days were over. She was twenty three lived at home with her mom. She was considering grad school and worked at California pizza kitchen to make ends meet barbecue chicken chop salad. Yelm. And it was free lunch. This new league was her chance to get back on the field. And she was not going to let that opportunity passer-by, and I actually reached out to Tony Chico and said, I'm interested. Hey, don't forget about me. Tony to Tico had been the head coach for the US women's national team during the ninety nine World Cup, and he was in charge of recruiting players for the new league. He wrote back to Shannon, right away and invited her to try out at the combine I remember walking off the plane and be like here ago. This is my -tunities in. But I was I was really nervous. In December two thousand over one hundred seventy women traveled to southern Florida to fight I spot on a w USA roster. It was a who's who of international and collegiate soccer talent was really it was like a giant reunion too. And the same time. I remember like seeing players like a big play for UNC or she played for Notre Dame. Jackie little had just graduated from Santa Clara university powerhouse program. She had five days to impress the coaches and the competition was fierce. There was a gnarly injury. During one of my games were a girl literally broke her ankle in popped up. It's not like college, and it's your fighting to get drafted into the first ever women's league. I mean, it was it was intense for sure. Tom. Meredith was a few fields away. He was the VP of operations for w USA the logistics guy. Every company every team has to have somebody that wants to have the trains run on time. And I like I like to be the guy that does that Tom planned every detail from booking travel to buying soccer balls, and he knew what his part of the combine it cost. But there were a lot of last minute expenses from the league office like camera crews that needed power. Did you get the generator? Did you have power that you need that's four hundred feet away. Okay. You need a generator. Well, there's only one in town, and I got it. But it's costing me twice. What it should of John Jakes came down to the combine Tom picked him up in a golf cart and drove him around the fields. And he sees the camera, and he sees the people, and then he gets a sense for the size of this thing. And John said, Tom how much is this gonna cost? And I said, John, I have no idea. Morning dreams after a week of tryouts all the players could do was wait and hope to hear their names called welcome to the inaugural global draft of the w USA the women's United soccer association. Shannon box was in a hotel conference room watching the draft on TV. And I was chatting, I don't even think I was paying that much attention. And all of a sudden I heard my name, and I was like what? Like, I just got picked the San Diego spirit drafted Shannon in the third round nineteenth pick overall. She was going to make a living playing soccer. I was shocked. I really wish shocked. I remember walking out of that room, and grabbing my phone and shaking and crying and like calling my best friends being like, I just got picked. I just made it. And then you know, the end of the fourth round and then the fifth. I'm like, okay. I can get drafted now anytime fleas Jackie could finally read in the six round when she was drafted by the bay area. Cyberrays? Oh my God. This is so cool. This is my job. Like, how cool is this? This is my job. Jackie lintel, Shannon box and over one hundred other women were now professional athletes and you put the hose. You put the whole experience perspective to the whole forming league. And now, the visit all reality college soccer's finished too. I just get to play the game that I love and make a living doing it. This is like the best thing that could have happened to women's soccer. Thank you. W USA had its players and the rest of the league was taking shape too in DC Jon Hendricks needed someone to manage his team, the Washington freedom. John didn't have many connections in the sports world. But he was well connected. So we hired Katie button from first lady Hillary Clinton's office. I mean, he knew I didn't have any sports management experience. I think he wanted someone who could manage the politics of soccer, which is a big part of of navigating this Katie button had to get ready for the opening game a showdown between the league's two biggest stars. Brenda trusting former teammates turned opponents in a new professional soccer league. Yeah. There were signs all over the city for brandy versus Mia. You know, it was like if Scotty Pippin and Michael Jordan were playing against each other the league spared, no expense promoting the opening game on April fourteenth, two thousand one almost thirty five thousand fans filed into RFK stadium all the founding national team players were there they lined up at midfield to celebrate the opening of their leak their legacy. Everyone was crying. It was the culmination of all of this effort. And so it felt like we'd given them this day. They deserved. And Julie Foudy brought her camcorder. We're here. I recall shooting Billie Jean at the game. In saying you helped us be part of this. This is happening. Billy this happening right now, we're living moose. And in the crowd of thirty five thousand behind her. He just felt like, okay. We did it. That was one of those moments for year like pinch me is happening. The dream of a league came to life as games kicked off across the country. I remember the first time going up against me a ham, and she was running at me, and I was trying to defend her, and I'm like, okay. Wait, focus. I'm actually defending me a ham at this point. A one two. To benders. I still can picture it. Like, I was on the left side. She was drooling down. We're almost eighteen and I was like don't screw up. She and dotes Shannon boxes there continues the battle. She beat me. And I was like every single game was so exciting because you're literally playing with and against these players that you looked up to all these years Jannine Bach, and she go up. Shannon, moved out of her mom's house and got her own apartment. It was actually the first time that I felt like a true dolt. I was doing something that I love to do. I had a passion for it. And I was getting paid to do it. It was a lot more money than PK. Jackie little was also amazed that soccer could pay the bills. Fun. I don't think it actually hit me until like my first paycheck was like, oh, my God kidding paid to do this and her first paycheck went to groceries. You know, I remember the first time someone came up in the grocery store. Get your autograph. I looked behind me like me. There's this little kid this little girl who just thought like I was. So when she wanted an autograph from in having people look up to like one of be like, you is just this. I don't think a lot of people get that opportunity to be that for somebody the league turn players like Jackie little into role models. But its biggest assets were still the national Team Stars who could command national audience like brandy Chastain on the late show with David Letterman. Has done everything. Right. The XFL. They did nothing right. They said that you and your. Very smart. The soccer is working pretty well. Isn't it? Well, we knew that we would only have one opportunity to do it. And if we're going to do it, we better do it the right way. But behind closed doors, the w USA investors were realizing that the league wasn't doing as well as they thought in July two thousand one the w USA board met in Atlanta to look over the league's finances. John Jakes traveled to be there in person the tower the room was a little tits. You know that that was a key meeting. Lynn Morgan was the general manager of the Atlanta beat and so I was invited to attend. And I was curious to kinda learn what they were learning. They all knew this was going to be a meeting to talk about where they were financially. But no one expected what they heard C E O Barbara Allen laid out the numbers in total that cable companies had invested forty million dollars forty million dollars to launch the league and carry it through five years and now just halfway through the first season. All the money was gone. Shock. What did you just say? I remember thinking. Did we do this? Julie Foudy was a player Representative on the board. How do we allow this to happen, right? How do we not see this coming? There's a saying with enough thrust anything can fly. And we thought we had the thrust Jim Kennedy and Cox enterprises had put in ten million dollars to fund to teams we thought with the success of the World Cup the athletes. We had we had enough thrust that anything was going to fly that competence had propelled the league to throw millions into national advertising and expensive Manhattan office space, and that's not even counting additional twenty four million dollars. They spent on renovating stadiums. We wanted a professional level experience. And we were kind of gambling to to make this big on the US stage. But the problem wasn't just overspending early on it was clear to Katie button that investors had signed off on a flawed business plan. What was budgeted was a joke. I mean that business plan was a joke didn't include rent. It didn't include any renovation that had to happen at stadiums. It didn't include marketing for the opening game which worked, but it costs money. The w USA investors had built the league. They wanted the one they had budgeted for and that day in Atlanta. It was clear the dream of building women's professional soccer was going to need a lot more money than festers had a choice put in millions more or pull the plug and all of a sudden, look if there's two or three of the owners that don't want to do it. That's not gonna go. So it had to be. That of us decision. I think they probably all felt a little sucker punched Glyn Morgan new the league might not live to see its first championship game. If they investors pulled out. So that was a very pivotal moment for many of them. But there wasn't an investor in the room that was ready to walk away. Not at that point on the table. We all agreed that we would pony up for the second year. But it was clear we had to see progress. Thirty for thirty podcasts is brought to you by our friends at state, farm, whatever. Life brings your way state farm is here to help life go right from his over nineteen thousand agents across the country nineteen thousand of the huge number, but it's not the number. That's impressive. It's the personal service and attention to detail you can only get from your local state farm agent talk to a state farm agent today about combining the purchase of your home and auto insurance state farm here to help life go, right? Thirty for thirty podcasts is brought to you by Delta Airlines. Delta flash. The three hundred cities around the world that's three hundred cities where everyone does the scene things you that's three hundred cities where the people in those three hundred cities think they're the only ones who know about that one place three hundred cities where people miss someone in one of the other two hundred ninety nine sittings three hundred cities where people sing in the car in the shower or both. Poorly. Delta isn't flying three hundred cities merely to bring us together. But to show us, we're not that far apart in the first place. Delta. Climbing. And now here's Meredith again, telling us the story of backpass after season one the board scrap the business plan and started from scratch they needed a new CEO to slash spending. And they picked Lynn Morgen when my name came up. It was like, you're kidding. Wow. It was a no-brainer was like, of course, I'll do it Lynn took over shortly. After the first championship game. She didn't come from the soccer world. But during the first season she had fallen in love with the leak developed such a relationship with the staff and the players and everything else. I mean, you really become a very very tight knit family, and whatever it takes to keep this thing moving. We'll do that Lin's confidence reassured Julie Foudy and the rest of the board. And what was so great is Lynn walked in Lynn has swagger tour. Right. She had this confidence of our right? We're going to get this done. Lynn got expenses under control. Role. She cut staff and move the league's headquarters from midtown Manhattan to Atlanta in the second season. The soccer was still the best in the world. But after the second season, the board demanded even more budget cuts, and that's when those really tough decisions had to had to be made. Lynn proposed a pay-cut for the players in the top income bracket. The stakes were huge the board wasn't gonna fund third season without these cuts. It really was the last thing to cut because I wanted the players to feel like this could be a real profession. I knew we were now cutting into their expectations. You know, we were now playing with the dynamics of being a professional news at the pay-cut reached the players. I was pissed just I was just mad Shannon box. Had just been traded to the New York power. She had packed up her life and San Diego and moved across the country. Then she heard her salary was on the chopping block. I just came all the way out here. I can't I can't do this. If I'm gonna have to give up money. I'm not. Going to continue playing this year. I'm going to go back home, and I'm going to apply to school. And I'm going to be done. Carla Overbeck gathered the founding national team players just like listen like this is our league. And as sort of ownership in this league, that's our responsibility to take the pay cut. You know, you can't take money from sort of the bottom half of the Ross in the middle of the Rauscher. They don't make that much money is the right thing to do. The national team players took a twenty five percent pay-cut for season three and agreed to give up their guaranteed salaries for seasons. Four and five in return the board agreed to fund a third season. Shannon Boxx had already applied to grad school when she heard the news. I remember them coming back to us and having meeting saying, you know, what we chose us national team players to take the pay cut. Instead of you guys. It made me feel special because I felt like maybe they thought that I brought something to this league. She worked even harder to get ready for the next season the amount of confidence I had going into that third season. It was crazy. Jackie little was also training for the third season. We're new team the Washington freedom after the pay-cut everyone could feel that the league was on shaky ground. They weren't in the boardroom. But the players knew one thing they could do was be there for the fans and sign all the autographs, they could Katie button would come out with thirty sharpies. I still have sharp as in like every jacket pocket. Yeah. She was stand at the tunnel. Like your shirt base? And you'd sign autographs for twenty minutes after the game. We'd always tell them try and hit a different section. So they'd see different kids when you one obviously, stay out there all day long. But sometimes if you're kind of grumpy about the game or pissed off about something going and signing autographs, actually got you out of your fun because then you to little kid who's like, I love you. You're such a player. And then they're like, okay. These kids think you're great. Whether you win or lose, you know. So it felt like this is the place. I wanted to be in like I wanna keep growing this league. And the league was growing. Slowly Lynn Morgan's leadership had stopped the bleeding league wide revenue was up twenty seven percent. We're getting closer. We were definitely making some great strides w USA had lost a hundred million dollars over the course of three years, but that was pretty normal for startup league. Major League Soccer had lost two hundred fifty million dollars in its first five years if you compared us apples to apples with some of the other leagues we were doing pretty well. In a lot of ways we looked really good MLS had survived. Thanks to its wealthy private owners. But Katie button was starting to get nervous that the w USA investors didn't have that same commitment. We were on the right path. We made mistakes we weren't perfect, but we were on very solid footing by the third year, except for our owners the cable companies were publicly traded. So they. Didn't have the patience to slowly grow a league. They were investing their shareholders money, and though shareholders needed to see a return on the investment, the investors were enormously enthusiastic and proud and happy with what they done. So I think they felt 'cause they were personally enthusiastic, but it wasn't there money. John hundred spot to hold investment group together. There was something bigger at stake than just another business. This was part of a movement. It was part of gender equality in America. It was part of making sure that every little girl had role models to look forward to August two thousand three and the w USA board was going to meet in September right before the women's World Cup. I was getting calls from Time Warner. And Comcast of look, you know, we love this. We'd like to go a fourth year, but job we've got a we've got to see progress. John didn't have much time w USA desperately needed cash. So John had to find the money before the next board meeting that stress. Followed him all the way to San Diego for the season three championship game. ESPN two its funders cut three the fans filing in beautiful blue sky day. But in the back of our mind is you know, we're going to have to have this meeting is they're going to be a fourth season, the Washington freedom. We're up against the Atlanta beat Jackie little laced up our cleats and walked onto the field. This is what you work for like this moment right here. Like, I felt like the we are gonna win this championship. Let's do this. The next team score would win at all. Katie button was on the edge of your seat as the game went into overtime. This little fed it to any German player. And then I just played a ball down the side. Was making a run at the far post. And I was like oh my God. Like on. Remember Mia, Abby just falling to a pile together. As soon as the goal was scored laying there and everyone just like dog piles bench clears. Yeah, she just laid there and everyone just dog pile the poor thing. The stadium went crazy the freedom passed around the founders Cup trophy. And then partied all night, definitely drinks for flow. A and we were partying and celebrating and flight home. The next day was long service tired, but just so excited to get home and came down the escalators there is fans and signs and clapping and cheering. And it was the future was bright. Right. I mean, it's start of a long good future for the freedom. While Jackie was off winning the championship. Shannon box. Got a call to try out for the US women's national team. I cannot believe I finally got called in. And I was excited. I mean, I was like in my head. I was like I have a chance I have an opportunity to play in this World Cup four years after cheering in the stands of the Rosebowl Shannon had a chance to make the US team for the upcoming women's World Cup. But first she had approve herself among the world's best. We are doing shooting drill. And I remember hitting a ball on scoring and hearing we hind me being like, man. She's good. And it was from like Mia. Julie like it was those players behind me. And I was like did they just say that they just say that were they talking about me the same day the freedom won the founders Cup. Shannon, got a call April Heinrichs, the national team head coach wanted to see her, and I sat down and all of a sudden she goes, so you know, we've decided that we're gonna put you on the World Cup. Team. And I just looked at as excuse me, as what did you say she likes? She's just are laughing. We're your you made the national you made the World Cup team. And I just remember just losing all my emotion, and she came and gave me a hug, and she like you deserve this as Shannon headed to the World Cup. Jackie headed into the off season. I just remember having the exit meetings in the physicals, and it was like all right? We'll like enjoy your off season you too. And then we'll we'll see you guys in January. In washington. Jon Hendricks was preparing for the board meeting. So I do this Next Media was going to be tough. He scrambled to find new investors. We were really scouring the planet. Anybody every potential investor said, no the board meeting was days away and John had one last play. He turned to US soccer for a loan to buy the league some time. It was a tough blow for national team captain Julie Foudy in. I think it was so biting because we wanted to prove we could do it on our own without US author. Right. That crap we've got to go back to them with our tail between our legs. And that's the last thing we wanted to do. Right. We wanted to be like see if we can do this without you. Now, they needed US soccer's help. But the federation was skeptical from their side of it. They had invested so much on the men's side. I think they had a lot riding on their success. And I think they were always doubtful that the women can make it as professionals US soccer said no they were at the point of realizing is this fourth season going to be the last season. And that's the thing if if people can't see the fifth and sixth season, do you want to be part of just throwing good money after bad? John and the board met on September. Fifteenth two thousand three was a dismal meeting. It was just the worst. It was in New York. And we were just at the end of the rope. Trying to look at trends that would give us any any reason at all to try to keep it going for four season. But there were no new investors. No loan from US, author and most of all the W USA owners weren't willing to invest any more money. The board voted to shut down the league just five days before the two thousand three women's World Cup. It was it was a devastating kind of emotional experience to do that. John broke the news to the rest of the league. And I remember sitting in my office and John called and said it's done. You know, we pulled the plug. We're doing it now. So you can pay your staff or another couple months, but it's done you need to tell them. And then we gathered in the conference room down the hall. I tell everyone, and I think as unprepared as I had been they were that times of nd. Bad news today for lee-ing that was once hailed as a vanguard for women in sports three-year-old women's professional soccer league is shutting down folded after it burned through one hundred million dollar investment in just three seasons. The announcement comes just five days before the start of the women's World Cup tournament. Someone called me. They're like your league folded, and I was like what they heard it on the news or something. And I was like wait seriously. Jackie little was at home when she heard it was a very big shot that I got a phone call from somebody who heard the league had folded on the news, and it wasn't from a coach or GM or anything like that. It was definitely shocking. The national team was training in Virginia for the women's World Cup. Julie Foudy called everyone together to deliver the news the vision that comes to mind, actually, as we were in like a huddle almost like we were praying and. I was delivering the news of what had just transpired on this. Call. And what you know, what the reality was the circle we made on the field. Everybody had their heads down goalkeeper brand scurry. And there is a sombreness. And it was literally it was just like silence. It was as if someone had died. It really was it was like a death of the family, really. Because to be honest that group of players had never failed. Anything? And it was almost as if it was the first time that as a collective we hadn't succeeded even though at the time you. Even think about it that way. For the first time had failed. Just being devastated that it was done. And I'm not gonna lie a little bit felt lucky. This was Shannon's first time with the national team. But she was torn with survivor's guilt. Not lucky that it was ending. But lucky that I got seen before it ended. You know? But it was also something that I also realize it really made me who I was as a player. On three one two three. They quick Julie Foudy had to prep the team as they went to meet the press. They're all over there. And they're gonna be asking. And it just you know, became a thing. You had to talk about the World Cup to right? You had to keep going back to that emotional tank of you know. Yeah, we failed at this. Feel show them that you care that much about savings. Now we had to try to win another World Cup right away. Right now. Let's go. So that was really a really interesting pivot to have to make an and we, unfortunately, we couldn't make it we tried. But we couldn't make it. They lost Germany in the semi finals. It just was very different feeling that World Cup compared to ninety nine in so many ways. The pain didn't hit Jackie little right away. She stayed in DC took a job remodeling kitchens and lived with her boyfriend who played for the MLS team DC United months later, her boyfriend went to the first day of preseason training is like, okay. Like have a good day at we're like, okay? You have fun at training. And then like all my way into workouts like. Oh my God. This like he's going to preseason. I'm going into like my desk job. I just started crying. And I'm like, oh my God. Like, this is me. Like, this is me a desk job. I'm no longer going to be a role model for kids. I'm not going to be doing the sport that I've done my whole life and loved and this is like this is the new since I went from being a professional athlete to selling cabinets. Katie button found a new job to she went to work for Jon Hendricks at the Discovery Channel. But the heartache of w USA was hard to shake. There was a sense of hopelessness for sure that Ken women's sports ever reached the level that we hoped they would. And I also think we all knew that we'd had an utterly unique moment after the World Cup in ninety nine to do this with the stature of the players with the investors with the attention. And that that moment was never gonna present itself. Again. For tasty. This was all so unnecessary. By the end w USA was doing so. Well, even the MLS Commissioner was impressed after league folded, Don Garber found out, you know, that we'd lost sixteen million dollars that year instead of my God. My owners would give me the biggest raise. If I only lost sixteen million dollars. We lost seventy five million dollars this year. And so we knew we weren't it wasn't like we were operating in another reality. We were offering the same realities every other professional sports team. We just didn't have owners who lived in that reality. Don Garber is still the Commissioner. He recently said that he hopes MLS will turn a profit in twenty twenty six thirty years after its founding. The MLS owners have been keeping it afloat all this time by investing billions in the league comparisons. Like these hunt, Julie Foudy, but something we thought about all the time. In a why is there such an appetite for loss on the men's side and not on the women's side? And why is there such a willingness to help them inside when they're struggling? W USA only had three seasons, but it left a lasting Mark on American soccer and on the life of one player in particular, Shannon box. I definitely was a no name player. And I made it to the biggest stage, and I hundred percent would never have been able to do that being twenty six years old out of college. Nowhere to play. If it wasn't for that league. Shannon went on to play a hundred ninety five times for the US women's national team. She scored twenty seven international goals and won three Olympic gold medals. In two thousand fifteen after winning the women's World Cup. I'm very lucky that I got to end my career exactly when I wanted to got to choose when I finished, and I think that's a rare thing in the professional game. Jackie little is still selling cabinets. She started her own remodeling business and married that these United player now. Her ex husband. Looking back. She hates that her soccer career ended so abruptly. She wishes she could have made that choice herself instead of having it made for her. I would have played for as long as possible. And it's funny because my ex husband is gonna know maybe I think why would you retire play until they like don't let you back on the team. Right. I mean, what are you going to do afterwards? Get a desk job. I told him until obviously we got divorced was like play until they like don't pick up your contract play until like they literally have to peel you off the field play until you can't go anymore. Okay. Thanks for listening. Now before we get to the credits. A quick heads up. If you happen to be listening to this before Thursday may sixteenth be sure to tune into ESPN two for a special broadcast from ESPN w it's called the ninety nine reunited, if features a lot of the same people you just heard from but lots more on nine hundred ninety nine and the legacy of that World Cup team. So check it out. It's Thursday may sixteenth seven PM eastern on ESPN two an shout out to Laura per cell and ESPN team who worked with us on putting this all together. Thanks for listening to thirty for thirty podcasts. My name is Jody advocate. ESPN film, senior producer Aaron Liden. And I are series editors the story was reported and produced by Andrew homes and Meredith hot or not it was edited by Andrea obese Scott with archival research by Linden Meese mixing and sound design for this episode by Meredith hot our very own Andrew MAMBO was project manager and helped edit they Sepah sewed, and I'll point out this story took place years ago, but the fight and the tensions between the women's national team and US soccer do continue. You may be seeing some of this going on right now in the news with clashes over equal pay. There's some possible lawsuits it's very much involving story. So as such later this summer during the World Cup. We're going to be posting a bonus episode. I'll talk with angel Helms and Meredith about the World Cup play some audio that didn't make it into the episode. We'll talk about the latest in US soccer. 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#149: Be Mentally Fit in a Fast-Moving World-1

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#149: Be Mentally Fit in a Fast-Moving World-1

"Welcome to on the verge. I am your host. Care Bradley bringing you weekly blasts of no hype advice. Essential practices strategies to help you. Wake up show up and shine. Today's episode is very very special. It's a recording of part one of a three part series that I'm running called how to be mentally fit in a fast moving world. Now it sounds like a fancy title but really what we're talking about is chronic stress mine and yours. I get very very personal in part one and I have a bunch of other folks that jump on to get personal as well and we talk about the invisible gas of chronic stress and how often we ignore the signs that are really poking out the door in our bodies and minds to warn us that we are just chronically perpetually tense anxious and harboring a lot of stress so tune in and you're GONNA learn a lot. I think about me if anything but also I wanNa let you know that you can join part two and part three. It's a free series. So if you're listening to this recording before February twenty-second sorry twenty. Six Two thousand twenty or march fourth. Two Thousand Twenty. You can still join it. And we had a couple of hundred people register for this free series. So if you'd like to get the registration link you can email me. Hello at Cara. Bradley dot net or just jump on social media facebook. Page Care Bradley Teacher. And you'll find an event there so let me know if you can't find it. Hello Care. Bradley Dot Net sit back. Enjoy the ride. I hope that you learned something about me and also more importantly about you all right. Well I think it's just about a good a time as any to get started with this. I really appreciate you all coming to join me today. My Name Is Carrie Bradley. And somehow you found your way to this webinar series how to be mentally fit in a fast moving world. How about that for title? You know. It's always interesting coming up with these. Titles you how do you grab somebody without over Promessi? And I think that the e mail that I've sent out or the facebook post or However you found your way here I think might have really been the thing that caught your attention. And that is The discussion about chronic stress and the conversation really about stress. So the way. We're going to run this. Forty five minutes is As much as we can. We're going to make it about a conversation. I'm GonNa tell you a little bit about my plans for the next three weeks and a little bit about my story my real story and then I want to hear from you. I want to hear from you about your story. And will UN UN MUTE. Couple of you during souls out there who want to live with us. And then we'll get into some of the strategies that have been working for me and I'd love to hear the strategies that work for you so like I said this is a true conversation so my intention for these three weeks is for to all get to get comfortable talking about stress that we're under Because I recently just divulged was kind of one of those gulp. Moments divulged the chronic stress. That I've been feeling for the last probably four years if not fifteen but let's just call it for and what I've been feeling but have not been willing to really admit to myself until just recently. So that's that's really the reason for this series so it was very intentionally put out. There is a free series because whenever I've done anything where I needed to enroll people into I found myself getting stressed so I thought hap. Let's just do this for free for everybody and then I don't have to stress about how many people have signed up. And wouldn't you know it that we had over two hundred and twenty people sign up for this Webinar? Which to me is just remarkable. We need to be talking about the undercurrent of stress in our lives in a way. That is Really honest and so I'll use my own story to hopefully help you see your story or to see what you haven't been willing to admit to yourself so for the next three weeks we're going to be talking about stress and the opposite of stress or for what. I like to call mental fitness. So we have been in. All of us have been living in a culture of physical fitness. I've been in the fitness industry. My whole career and we are pretty comfortable with the whole idea of training to be physically fit and this whole idea of mental fitness. It's really no different than physical fitness and so over the next three weeks. We're going to talk about what mental fitness looks like and how to train to become mentally fit and I think the first thing that we need to do in doing that is to really see our weaknesses to really see where we're not so fit where perhaps some of those muscles have atrophied and so I will use myself and my own story to really to offer you a mirror to see into your own life and then we'll share with each other so let's get going so I guess we should start with my story and I won't make this too long. I promise but it will lay out the the platform I guess for us all to talk about ourselves and feel free to jot notes and also feel free to Put out questions in the chat bar. I Have Brian who is monitoring monitoring the chat bar for pertinent questions. And once we go and start anew you guys we can. We can get you talking as well so a little bit of a background on on me. I have been teaching my entire life type of physical or mental training. I can safely say. Now it's forty years of teaching. I started teaching when I was fifteen years old as a figure skater. And so for my whole life I've been really inservice of helping people to feel better and perform better and honestly I think incessantly about how how to help how to help because what what really breaks. My heart is to see myself and others not living in our fullest potential. And you know it's interesting because it's very easy for me to put that teachers had on and what's not easy for me is to take my teacher's hat off when you've been doing something for forty years you get pretty comfortable in a role and I think that in some ways that was what really hid a lot of my own symptoms of stress and burnout from myself was that I was always teaching this stuff but yet really wasn't looking or was it honest with myself enough to see some of the things that I wasn't doing to see some of my own weaknesses so for the last forty years. I've been teaching anything from Yoga. We'll start with skating. And all kinds of fitness to then Yoga Meditation Mental Strength Training Flow State Training and Deep dives into nutrition and sleep and everything else that really pertains to feeling performing our best so for the last twenty years or we can safely say twenty five years. I've been in the business of fitness. In some capacity. I started out as a skater and had a skating school and then went on to teach all types of physical training and then sixteen years ago. I opened up my biggest business today. And that is a Yoga Center and the Yoga Center soon became a yoga and Meditation Center. And so what makes this whole story? A very interesting. Is that as a wellness professional. It is pretty hard to admit your own personal struggles when you make your your life your your your your business helping other people be well. They don't necessarily want to be seeing. You know while you know. It's not good for business if the yoga teacher is stressed right. Not Good for business. If the meditation teacher is burnt out so in some capacity for a long time I've been hiding unconsciously hiding my own stress and burnout. And so how did that manifest for me? I'll I'll I'll give you a little bit of background into that. How did I start to notice it and again? I use my story to help you see your story if you've ever heard and I know I've talked about this a lot. The story of the Frog in the boiling water right. There's this old parable had says if you throw a frog into a pot of boiling water it has enough reflex or immediate reflex. Survival stress to jump out of the pot. Now I've never tried it so I have no idea. But if you put that frog they say into a pot of warm water and then slowly start to simmer it to a boil. It will die. The Frog doesn't notice that it's in the boiling water and in many ways and a lot of ways. I think that we don't notice when we're in our own boiling water. I know I didn't. When we have chronic stress it is like an invisible gas in our lives. The chronic stress may start in one area of our life for a lot of our work environment and it may then move into relationships or into money stress scored into health stress. But what happens with stress is? It's like they say it's the silent killer and so as our bodies will talk about the nervous system a little bit later but as our bodies start to start to constrict over time so as we start to become conditioned to stress right that frog in the boiling water. Not really noticing when we don't notice where stress it becomes continuous and it becomes conditioned a condition pattern. And then in a Lotta ways. We're screwed like me because I didn't really notice the signs. So what were my signs? I'm going to list them out in. These are some that I've just recently noticed and I'm going tell you how I came into. Notice them so. See if any of these sound familiar to you just let us know in the Chat Bar Yup felt that too and then put your own in. If I don't if I don't list what you've felt as well go ahead enlist your own in. The trump are so from me. What was hard for me to see was exhaustion brain fog muscle. Weakness interrupted sleep weight gain around my belly cravings for salt and sugar. Low body temperature. I'll go through some some details of these mild depression in Not Nobody's told me that that's just kind of what I felt negative self esteem and I'd also developed Tinnitus or tonight us which was ringing in my ears and so for me. The tinnitus was the wake up call over the summer. I started to notice that my ears were ringing. If anybody has tinnitus please let me know in the chat bars. Well you don't have to show your name or anything but tinnitus affects fifty million Americans and we don't know why we don't know why the ringing the year started so for me. What happened was I started to notice this at night and then I started to notice it during the day and it led me down a rabbit hole of starting to uncover why because it was horrible. Now you're talking to right. This is somebody who spent a lot of years. Deepen meditation practice believing loving silence and all of a sudden. My silence was gone and I had no idea why and so I started to look at why and over the course of the last six months. I've gone through a lot of different trainings to understand why might ears for ringing and I'm not going to go through all of that but I really what I WANNA drive. Home is the point that oftentimes they say the angels will whisper in your ear. But if you're not listening they'll bang you over the head to get you to wake up now if ringing in my ears is my wakeup call. I'll take it because oftentimes for a lot of people. It's much more severe diagnosis and ringing in the ear. But for me it was enough to say because I know enough about our bodies for me. It was enough to say sister. Listen to this because your system is out of balance and so I started to listen and over the last six months. I've made a lot of changes in my life. In a lot of that is is what we're here to talk about so for me my story right now. I'm not a hundred percent. I still have the ringing in my ear. There still something going on and I have a feeling it has to do with inflammation it has to do with stress still in my body tension and it has to do with just my my whole inner environment. Microbiome my gut brain connection and the kind of the bacterial balance in my body. So I'm getting there. I'm not there and I'm hoping to learn from you all as well so at this point what I'd love to do is to hear from some of you. I'd love to hear if you're if you're like to be a muted just to give us a sense of something that maybe it was your wakeup call. You know just a just a minute or so. You don't have to go into your whole story. What was your wakeup call? And also how does stress show up in your body or in your life? Is there something that I didn't mention that it it shows up for you? So we have patty She says that stress she agrees. It's like an invisible gas and she had similar symptoms plus plus Tinnitus but never connected that to stress. Right yeah I I have a feeling a fifth tinnitus is happening for fifty million Americans and we're all stressed. I gotta believe that there's a strong correlation there Li She says that Exhaustion SLEEP LOSS. Weight Gain Mild Depression. Yeah is the these third very common? You're tightening Foudy says you're tightening stress sometimes ringing difficulty falling asleep. And yes so. If there's anybody here who'd like to be on muted. Just give us the word say unbuttoned. We'd love to have you in this conversation. A colleen said emotional fluctuations. She thought it was normal with aging right and this is such a great point. Colleen is that. Who says it's normal aging right? Is it because we're all stressed and we're all aging that we think it's normal right? Is it normal for the frog to be aware that it's in a pot of boiling water when it's normal instinct is to jump out if Fernan right so this for me is where I wanNA live? I WanNa live in these conversations. I've spent my whole life. China help people get stronger physically and stronger mentally. But I've been hiding from myself and the own my own weaknesses. Am I own fear of really seen? What was happening. And the the stress as we know increases your cortisol levels it decreases our immune response. It increases inflammation. Those are all going to age US more quickly so in so many ways everybody our society I mean. We know this but we're but are we willing to really talk about it in this capacity. Is the yoga teacher out there or the therapist or the wellness professional willing to have the conversation? All right we have Julie Foudy is unneeded. Julie Julie Thank you for being brave soul to come on so talk to us. Tell us about you your story. Well thank you Cara Four. I'm opening store to all of us. It is so wonderful having you in my life I can't even. I can't even thank my lucky stars enough. You Look so beautiful so you that I'm listening to you as you know I've been a participant of many many a workshop and Richard Books and love. Your Yoga and I am taking. I know next time. We'll be talking about bio M- so I've been trying bad as well pretty much on endless course for learning development in throughout my life and I just wanted to kind of add like he's that lets the wakeup up call was recognizing that I was a loop of reactivity with my husband and I had been trying and trying and trying to psychological ways to figure it out figure it out take control Problem solved plan could make make a deal kind of deal. You know thinking through help him out externally oriented until finally. I just threw my grandpa and said all right. I need to do a u-turn and see what's going on inside of me and That has been the answer to decreasing my stress and helping myself in so many ways and I discovered a form of therapy that I am now getting certified in and just really adore and I would like to be able to add that voice to this conversation when we get further on about kind of how we how we listen to what these symptoms are saying. Because I wrote on the sidebar thing literally yesterday might years were so tight here in my office trying to have a conversation with my boss that I could barely barely listen because I kept hearing which is a version of tinnitus. It's like a tightening of fluttering is just next to impossible to function so that was so clearly stressed so instead of trying to figure out how. I got rid of it. I was trying to listen to that symptom. And what is it telling me? And when I listened with those years and just really welcomed it and had a truly compassionate attitude towards the symptoms. I learned a lot about myself and And what still is bubbling up in their like Mike. Good enough am I accepted. Am I You know just the regular host of things that we all carry around from our childhoods and we think that were over that or yeah. Sure I feel great. I'm sixty years old. And I've been at this for a long time and everybody lesbian Blah Blah Blah. But you know those those silent maybe the invisible gas in some ways is deep down in there and it needs to be listened to so I guess I encourage this group as we go through this. You know to kind of go inwards and listen to what those parts of ourselves or trying to tell us without trying to wipe them off the planet excellent. Thank you for your wisdom always and so is tooling so you said a couple of things that I WANNA point out for everybody on the invisible gas right and listening when these symptoms start to talk to us right so I wasn't listening to exhaustion. I was frustrated with the weight gain around the belly. Even though I knew you know everywhere you go. It's stress related. You know a an. I also talked to menopause as just the menopause belly you know. Our bodies are habitually. They are instinctively looking for balance that I know you know when when when we really allow the intelligence of our bodies to do its thing their thing we find our way back to health and balance. It's just the brilliance of who we are as the as beings and so when we can start to listen and I say this to myself right. I've been preaching this for years but ignoring it in my own life when we can start to listen to these signs and give ourselves enough care and attention likely would a baby you know if a baby has a stuffy nose you know any parent is going to do what it needs. Whatever he or she needs to do to take care of that child. But can we show ourselves that seeing care owned my goodness? Why are your hands always cold? Oh my goodness why are you? Irritable at four o'clock every day you know. Can we give ourselves the time the energy and the care and love to really look at all of these symptoms and this is really the first step to mental fitness. This is the first step to what we call psychological vigor which is a combination of mental acuity or or sharpness physical stability or physical energy and emotional stability. So thank you Julie for for pointing some of those things out and if there's anybody else that wants to jump on before we move over into some of the things that some of the strategies that I've been using I'm so happy to take one more if anybody else wants to jump on. Just put that in the in the chat bar and we'll move on so so as I've become more conscious that I've been burnt out. I've run a business for sixteen years was a fitness business. It was a yoga meditation. Business how am I going to disclose that? I'm burnt out right so I suffered in silence. I kept quiet. I went on teaching my classes. And doing the podcast and you know running the business but yet inside. I felt like my body was so constricted and like Julius saying ears. Tightening breath shallow All of those things. That are so are obvious. Red Flags for for stress. How am I going to disclosed to others? You know so. We have We have Lauren on who is GonNa jump on and talk to us about her story or or her stress trigger. Go ahead Lauren. I everyone that you so much for doing this. Cara I I really appreciate it because I need to to hear all of this from everyone was so much wisdom and maybe at a different position than than everyone else. I still have young kids. I'm still running around. But what really made me stop and pay attention to myself. Was You know my whole life? I've been to speeds zero or two hundred miles an hour and finally one day right before turning forty caught up with me and I found myself not wanting to get out of said in the morning and I recently had a child diagnosed with a rare disease so all my attention in energy got taken away from the things I loved and enjoyed to care for my child. Which of course wouldn't have it any other way but it took a lot for me so not wanting to get up that depression self diagnosed Things like that. That was my wakeup call. 'cause I never felt that way in my life and I've been on a journey just like you and psychological. Bigger in energy is definitely the goal so Thank you for doing this. Thank you thank you learn. And so Lauren. As we move into some of the strategies what would you say one of your Your strong strategies are in in in coping with the stress or in managing your stress. Well I definitely cleared my plate of a lot of things. That was the first thing I needed to do. So I can breathe again. I'm not constantly rushing activities activities commitment to work this to that so I I definitely lightened by load in. That has helped a lot I need to incorporate things like Yoga. Meditation that's next on my docket but also changing my diet jeannot. My supplementary eighteen That's that's been a big thing that I've been concentrating on some looking for that next step awesome. Awesome Great. And we're going to hear from. Thanks for joining. Thanks Lauren for being brave enough to go on. We're GONNA hear from colleen in a moment here so I think what's really important for everyone to recognize here and this is really a what inspired me to do this. Do the series is that we'll hear this all the time. I've been preaching this for a long time but yet couldn't hear it myself right so if you've read my email or the the post on facebook. I use this George Leonard quote. What are you pretending not no? I think it's a great inquiry for us to ask ourselves with kindness. You what are you pretending not to hear? What are you pretending not that? You're not feeling because we will pretend as I did you know I had. I felt like I needed to pretend that I wasn't burnt out. I needed to pretend that I wasn't stressed. I needed to pretend it in doing that. I've really swallowed a lot in trying to be the business owner. Be The wellness professional. Be The performance coach. You know do all these things that I was being paid to do and do so publicly and so I started to ask this question in like I said in a very kind way. What are you pretending not to feel and when I start that's where I came up with this email I just blurted out one day and present in took a big exhale like Oh my God. I just disclosed that. I've got adrenal fatigue. You know what is this going to do to my business. What is going to do you know and I at this point. I don't care you know I just. I have to get well so so a question for you. Are you know what are you pretending to know? So we have colleen on. Thanks calling for joining us. Tell us about yeah so I worked with Keira now for a long time. Been but a little bit I was a single mom going through a really really a stressful divorce back in two thousand five six and My son is diagnosed with. Add and cut like Lauren. We as MOMS would do anything for our kids. So I was on jump on the bandwagon of trying to find solutions for him. And really stressful. Because there is nothing out there except all the doctors to sing you know adderall. Ritalin pharmaceuticals you. Don't WanNA put your kids on so at that point it was always just a constant worry with him. Am I making the right decisions? Does he have all the support? Fighting with the schools is in the right. School is not just kind of taking on that role of trying to be the rock-solid mom And it was basically eating away at me because I was ignoring myself. I was just. It was all him And it was really stressful because when our kids are not succeeding or kids are not happy or if there are kids are struggling we struggle. We take on that stress we take on that anxiety So I was kind of battling this this hurdle with him And it was. It was a long hurdle it was. It was America's has this is from grade school all the way through high school He's great he's such a great kid and care knows him so he's succeeded in his own way but it was always a struggle And I think for the first time when I start doing things for myself it was kind of a wake up call of how poorly I was taking care of myself and how poorly I was feeling the first thing I differ myself was to go through Yoga Teacher Training And I thought Oh my God how can I take this on everything else but it was really the best thing for me because it was a real eye opener of how. I need to take better care of myself. Yeah such a great point and you're a great yoga teachers. Well mom so I struggle though because people come up to me and students and Yoga is off it. It's great for your for everything But they'll come up to me and like how are you? Are you this then at home you know and like to take on this yoga persona all the time and the answer is no Yes we we do. Take our on our own practices. But if you're not doing other things along with the Yoga it's it's still balancing act in Thank you yeah. It's such an important important point. And you know what what I understand is that we're all walking around with my what they call micro trauma. You know a micro trauma So you know especially if you have children with special needs or or special learning issues as parents. We will have this this. Ptsd and so. What are we doing about that for ourselves? Because that's not going to help us or our children and so. This is again the conversation that I feel. We need to be having. I feel that you know that parents need to be having it with other parents. Leaders need to be having it with other leaders. Entre preneurs whatever. You're doing teachers of physicians people in the medical field. We need to be having this really open conversation about. What are the specific? Stressors that we're living with. And how can we support each other and and just recognize it in each other? I think that you know having Chronic stress is so incredibly lonely. Because you feel like you can't tell anybody I know I have felt like I couldn't tell anybody so I just went to bed at night knowing the feeling the stress and knowing what the burden I was carrying running a business and doing all the other things that I was doing. So you know. Thank you colleen for saying that Infra for us to recognize that if somebody is serving other people in some high wellness capacity. You know that doesn't mean that they got it all together you know. We're all dealing with with our own micro stress or micro trauma so much appreciated. Thanks for sharing that. And so what I'd love to do is to finish with some remedies. Let's talk about some of the good stuff I know. We spent a lot of Time Today. Talking about the invisible gas of chronic stress. Which I think is really really important to point out. But what can we now start to do? That will help us to start to see clearly and the way I look at this. What's happened for me? It sort of like when you when you renovate something in your house right. They always say like you paint the kitchen. And then you realize that. The floors Look Shabby. And then you you replace the floor in realize that the cabinets are old and then you've got to replace the cabinets. I think that this is sort of what's happened for me. So when the tinnitus started this June and I started to look at all different areas I started then to notice all the different areas of my life and my body where I was holding onto stress and so it was like a it was a step by step process. And so what? I encourage you all to do. You know you can start anywhere on the path. There's no perfect place to start but recognize that once you start to uncover certain areas or start to apply certain strategies. You're going to notice up the floors. The floor needs to be changed and the and you know now the cabinets need to be replaced. And so we start to notice all of these things and this is where. I'm at now looking back and realize oh my gosh. It was the exhaustion. It was the muscle tension. It was the weight gain. It was the the mild depression. It was the isolation the loneliness and the and the cravings for Sugar and salt and it was brain fog. You know so now. I noticed all the different areas. So let's talk about some of the strategies and again you know this but but when are you going to be ready to hear it and it may not be today or maybe you hear one thing today one thing next week and one thing the week after but this is why we have to continue the conversation because we just never know when we're going to be ready and we're going to hear it and when we're going to take off so today's focus on body and brain let's talk about some of the remedies for our bodies and for our brains when it comes to relieving ourselves of some of these stressors in our lives so body bar none the most important thing that we can do physically to help us. Alleviate stress is movement. We need to move our body right again so obvious but so often put on the back burner because of the other things in life that are so important. Blood flow is key to our health and well-being blood flow through our body to our brains to ourselves to our bones to our tissues is is our life force so moving every single day. And that doesn't mean you have to go to yoga every day or to the cross fit class or to the spinning class. Fifteen minutes of walking can get the body moving ten minutes stretching. I have this this this spinal six. This is very simple movement pattern. I call spinal six which is to move your body and six directions every single day and that is backward forward side side twist twist and in the follow up e mail that. I'll send you. I'll send you the youtube video for that because anybody can do it. But Movement Movement movement movement every day the most important thing you can do for yourself to get the blood flowing until lead some of the mental and emotional stress that we carry us well right so that is it most important then when it comes to the brain moving our spine nourishes our brain so again coming back to blood flow to help us alleviate or to become more stress. Resilient huge huge component is moving our spine so Roger Sperry who is a Nobel laureate. He said that ninety percent of the stimulation and nutrition to our brain comes from moving our spine so to lift that brain fog move right to feel sharper to increase. The focus moved to have more mental energy move and there are other things that we can do. So let's return now kind of the the midpoint of when I talk about the brain and the body is the nervous system so many of us have learned. This many of us know that our nervous system has different different responses in the two obvious responses that our nervous system has is the stress response and the rest and digest response now. Let's look at the stress response for a moment. There are two ways to look at stress and I think that it's important to remember this. There's something called US stress. It's actually e you stress and something called de-stress de-stress we all know. De-stress is the anxiety the panic. The worry the doubt the fear is when we feel distressed about something. You stress is the positive side of stress. It's excitement enthusiasm. It's that ready to go mentality. It's the momentum and so we don't want to confuse the two and I think for me I start with so much use stress but then I you stress meets Mike perfectionist bent of personality or might type A personality and my use stress quickly becomes distress. Can be any of you relate to that right. The you stress becomes de-stress but to start to look at your own life and and type of what type of arousal are you in this moment. Is it the distress or the U stress? So when we start to look at our state of being we then can apply. Some of these strategies and the strategies can be movement. So if you're noticing that your body is in distress it's in a tightness attention it. You're not breathing. Your throat is tight. If you're feeling yourself in that stress that De Stress Response Than. You could apply some of these. I call them. Mini wins to your to shift your state of being so these many wins again. I'm going to send this stuff out to you In a follow up email the mini wins that I talk about a lot in all of my work our movement and what I love to do. In addition to movement is to move in rhythm so some types of moving in rhythm are obviously walking walking dancing swimming riding a bike. Anything that gives you that movement rowing right even Playing tennis anything that has that rhythmic feel to it can help our nervous system shift back into a more coherent or balanced state. And we'll be talking about this more in the next two. Weeks is the sense of coherence and again guys. I got to remind reminds you? I've been talking about this but I haven't been living it really giving myself the care. I need to feel it all the time. So the many wins include movement breathing so deep balanced breaths giving yourself four to five seconds to inhale told you that right now. Just inhale two three four in a long exhale two three four just taking a long deep inhale and a long and maybe even longer. X. Hail can help us to shift our state from a state of business or stress to a more balanced state so many wins Quick State. Shifter's moving in rhythm breathing in rhythm or deep balanced breath silence and stillness taking pause right just like Lauren and colleen and Julie were noting just taking that time to pause to offer yourself the time reminder for myself as well going out into nature we're GonNa talk about nature and play in weeks three and a little more detail and also just giving yourself some time some some nurturing time for your biology. Maybe you need a glass of water. Maybe dish of state. You need to just eat. Something or maybe. You need to splash some cold water on your face. I mean honestly everybody. These mini wins are so simple. So I've been focused on these many wins in addition to a couple of other chunks. That I just WANNA finish up with so for me. The key areas for me to start that have really helped me to start noticing this chronic stress and to help starting to turn the needle from feeling exhausted. Feeling bloated feeling like I am just irritable. Not Sleeping well has been number one nutrition. I wasn't taking care of myself before that I was eating pretty much what I wanted even though I knew very well what I shouldn't shouldn't be eating. I wasn't doing it so I started to really change my diet and supplements I was taking one of the things that I've learned in the last seven months. And it's something that we're gonNA talk about in detail. Next week is the new science around the microbiome. Our Gut microbiome. So microbiome is our is our bacterial environment and the gut. Microbiome is really the environment that is offering the rest of our body the nourishment and the information to help us feel well. So in our gut is stored in produced are Noor. Transmitters are feel. Good Nur transmitters neuropathy ephron dopamine Serotonin to name a few when our gut microbiome is imbalanced. Guess what we don't feel as good mentally. We don't feel the have the energy. We aren't as focused. We don't feel as happy so by starting to what's called a modulate or balanced the microbiome. This is what I started doing. Seven months ago. It started to reveal to me all the other areas where this chronic stress was taking over in my life. So for me. One of the big steps was nutrition and supplementation. And I want to share this with you and I am happy to share it with you. So I'll add some of this information in the follow up email and be sure if you're super interested in this to make a note in the chat bar just say hey. I want to know more so for me. The big big changes that I made again. It all started with the ear ringing. So what is going to be for you? What is that wakeup call for you to start really looking at your life in the stress in your life for me. It was change of Diet to the I started to eliminate alcohol and caffeine. Which now I I do take in moderation but also looking at stimulants in my diet and then also looking to modulate or rebalance my gut knowing that my gut was was very well causing this extra inflammation irritation and stress in my body and my life so that was the big onboard for me. It could be just starting to move more for you. It could be looking at sleep hygiene. We're going to talk about that week three. So there's so much for us to talk about and I don't WanNa take us too far over time here. I'm happy to stay on for those of you with questions. So let me know what questions you have. And if I can't get to them today I will get to them next week and what I want to say to you. All is first of all. Thank you for showing up. Because it was really really scary for me to put out that email and facebook post saying divulging confessing. My burnout burn is is chronic stress and it was really hard. I felt a little more comfortable doing it. Now that I had sold my business to be honest that I can really now just be honest about you know what I was the stress. I was under in managing the business but I want us all to talk about it. Now why should we wait until we get to adrenal fatigue to like I got to Let's talk about it now with one another and so the these conversations are just the beginning of what? I'm hoping is going to be an ongoing conversation in person online so I want to leave you with a couple of links as well. One of them is linked to my calendar. And I want to offer up my calendar to speak with you. You can schedule a call with me. We could just make him fifteen minute calls. And so that I could hear from you and I can get to know you and what you're going through and to know how I can help you. I also I'm going to put up a A link that is my book my book on the verge wake up show up and shine and I wrote that book as a Labor of love to help people recognize the power of the present moment what I wanna say. Is that a lot of my stress and this burnout started when the book was published because it was a whole nother business for me to manage and I was now out in the public eye and so for me it ramped up a lot not only running a business but also now being published author and having to do all that is expected of you as an author so you are when you read the book know that it was just it poured out of me as love but then actually ended up to be one of the reasons why I became so stressed. It in full disclosure. So let's keep this conversation going and let's talk to one another and next week we have a special guest who's going to jump on for fifteen minutes. And that is Dr Shawn Talbot. Who is a Neutra who was a very very an expert in Neutra psychology? So he has for his whole life his whole career been formulating very high quality supplements. That are helping us to feel perform better. And he's a real expert on stress. He has books out on Cortisol. And he's also the chief scientist for Amari global which is a company that is focused. It's a mental wellness. Company focused on the GUT brain connection. And this is where I really got my start in my understanding on the microbiome so I'm happy to share information on Amari as well so please put that down in the chat and send you info there so what I'd like to do is just a close this out with a moment just a moment for you and so please. Whatever you're doing if you're driving just keep driving. Keep your eyes on the road. But if you're not driving just pause for a moment uncrossed your legs closure is and if you feel called to put your hand right on your heart take a deep breath just turn inward for a moment. Thank yourself for showing up showing up. Is the number one step. Ask yourself about where you'd like to start this journey into aging backwards into becoming the opposite of burnout into feeling that mental fitness of calm and clarity and strength and stability into having more energy and sleeping better feeling younger and more vibrant in. Not Hiding any longer at hiding in suffering in silence. May We all be well. And in our coming out about stress that we're experiencing we will allow our families to talk about it number one and our co workers to talk about it and In won't be the invisible gas any longer and when we can start to appreciate the natural solutions that are available to us through these many wins of movement breath silence and stillness and nutrition when we can start to recognize that we can support one another and not not have to hold us in alone for then we can really start to to to move the needle in our culture and I know that that's what we all want in the end. So thank you all for joining me and thank you. Thank you for allowing me. This platform to offer my My story I feel better already to snowing that I can speak about it In not judged so I wish you all beautiful day and same time same channel. Next week please feel free to invite your friends. The more the merrier. Let's bring some moron. I'll be sending you an email with resources and the recording for this call. Thank you again. Be well everybody all right and that is a wrap to my friends. Thank you all love. You all thank you so much the response and spend just incredible. I am having so much fun with this and just I'm giddy with excitement. We will see you next week.

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Chiellini Controversy

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Chiellini Controversy

"Everybody welcome into this Sunday edition of ESPN Sebastian South. Happy Mother's Day. Hope you've enjoyed. The weekend is so far we got a full show for you here today including some explosive comments from Giorgio his autobiography we'll get the guys reaction to that. Plus transfer talk. That could shift the BALANCE OF POWER IN EUROPE. But we begin as always with the latest. On how the corona virus is affecting world football and we begin in Germany Dynamo Dresden. Bundesliga has three confirmed cases of covert nineteen that was scheduled to return to action on May sixteenth. Meanwhile in France Leone's president publicized seven as the club's Champions League second leg match against Juventus to club has since said no date has been finalized and in Italy love. Republika is reporting at least Syria clubs have not paid their players away wage since January for more on this we welcome in the stars of the Gavin Jewels podcast. Gab. Marcatti and Julian Laurent gap. I'll start with you The news out of dressed in. How do you think it could impact the Bundesliga plans to start next weekend? So I think this is going to be the crutches the issue for everybody that that restarts and it's good to be clear here the issue the key issue that every league is dealing with that wants to restart is. What do you do with a player? Who Test Positive. Do you simply isolate the player or do you isolate the entire team that he's been working with what's happened in Germany. Is this the German government? They were happy with a protocol that said look if somebody tests positive we're simply going to go and isolate the individual. That's what happened to Cologne other clubs where people have tested positive however Germany is a federal state they are sixteen states within Germany and within those states on matters of health. It's the local health ministry that effectively has controlled and in engraved in the local health minister. There said well I don't really care what the national government guidelines are We're going to exercise caution here and we're going to order the entire team to quarantine. So obviously they're going to miss two weeks maybe they can make it up. Maybe they won't certainly their their game against Hanover. You'll looks to be postponed. This could be a problem. Further on it depends what the health ministers in a majority of of German regions and up to creating my understanding is the majority of them will not be quite as hard line in the majority of them will back the government and the Buddhist tickets proposal to simply go to isolate the individual players. Joe What can you tell us about? What's going on in France busy week for the Leon President? Not just the premature announcement but he's also threatening. Legal Action Against League. Yes that's right which we knew since the decision was taken to stop the season with with young being seventh and missing out on on Europe and Jami showed us has been very vocal in his lobbying in private. Very active to try to get the decision overturned. Still Hoping that somehow hobby before between nine may twenty fifth when really you need to make a final decision on what you do and and inform you find is really hoping that this could be overturned. He he's hoping he can convince people in France that they made this too quickly. Too much in a rush maybe they could have waited another week or two to see what others were doing in Europe and also what? The situation with the pandemic was was doing in France. And then maybe take the decision and maybe that would have been different than maybe. We could have played a few matches somewhere. You know maybe towards the end of July so he's still hoping that you can do so. Fi doesn't have many support within the immune to two teams were relegated who are also pushing for the upper. Three clubs is not really many to get that kind of decision. Overturn however you still has a bit of time and and the law faith that he can do that. Whether that goes through legal Solano Jules. What do you think about the case that he's trying to make? Do you think there is some regret in France? If not about the decision that was taking about the timing of it I think he's growing a little bit and when you see the countries although as we've been saying many times on the showed the pandemic with four in a very different way in every country countries in different ways of course Germany for example of seven thousand death is far more in the UK with almost thirty. Two thousand is more in France with almost twenty five thousand. So you can't compare really but however you can still look at what other people that are doing and I think maybe that was taken early when you think. That racing for example is allowed to start again tomorrow in France but not football behind closed doors host racing as well and you think well if horse racing can go behind closed doors shorty. The mob been away a month down the line to our football starting again. So there's there's those voices more and more coming out saying maybe we rushed. I want to be more. I don't know if you be enough to overturn it and maybe change it. The certainly you could feed the frustration growing a bit. Meanwhile what's going on in Italy? They're trying to get back to football. Some clubs aren't paying their players. This is a report in an Italian paper saying that six six clubs haven't paid their players since Since January the initial reaction has been that. It's more of a technical thing in the sense that they've received their January wages. They did not receive their march wages or their February wages. Not was because the league was halted by then and they will be getting them later. I don't think that this is necessarily at the top of everybody's minds right now top of everybody's minds figuring out how do or if it's going to be possible to get back. This coming week should be key week and again the single biggest issue right now. Not The only issue but the single biggest issue is whether to adopt the going back to what we said about the Bundesliga the protocol. Where if somebody tests positive they simply get go into quarantine or whether you have to quarantine the entire team quarantining. The entire team would make it very very difficult for the League to to restart. But it's more meetings this week. There's also the fact that The broadcasters have played paid their sixth and final installment as well so that opens up another front and other battle to deal with this about two hundred thirty million euros. Run run two hundred fifty million dollars. That's that's up in the air there. So there's a ton and everybody's plate right now all right. Thank you guys. Don't go far bringing back. Some transfer talk in dark joins us now for the latest from the Premier League where three bright and players have tested positive for Kobe. Nineteen there's another project restart meeting set for Monday. Plus reports of a mini transfer window which is being discussed for out of contract players in great to have you with us. What do you expect to come out of this meeting another big meeting Monday? Well I think the conversations at that king tomorrow have been made more awkward by what's happened at one of by the way who are vehemently opposed to stage the Games on neutral grounds. But of course that's got nothing to do with the three players. You've tested positive. It's impossible to believe that would be the clubs where this happens so I think the main thing really is safety. I think players have to be absolutely assurance. They can be That he's got to be safe to planet don't think public opinion yet is fully on the side of this project restock. So that's an issue. The other issue of course is the neutral ground's issue. I think that's becoming pretty much set in stone though. Aston Villa writing and what are very much opposed to it. I think it damages the integrity but the police say they can't possibly man the twenty stadium so they com the home and away as normal so I think it will be neutral grounds and I still think it's on course to actually happen but there are a few hoops to jump through in this meeting. Tomorrow I don't think will decide. It might come later. In the week Gills transfers are one of the many things complicated by what's going on right. Now what can you tell us about this? New Mini transfer window for the out of contract players. One Dustin you idea that the the Hearts to try to resolve the issue of deadline of June. The thirtieth when the contract would finish so whoever is either out of contract at the end of this season it would be done on. June the third jet every loan players. And there's a lot of players on loan charlie in every big league or small league. Even including the Premier League older players will be supposedly have to return to their parent club after June the thirtieth so if this continues and there's no agreements those players won't be able to play with the team that they currently on loan for which is which is crazy. I cannot believe that this is not one of the issues has been sorted Iran. We see we Germany. For example for them the resolve was as long as we finished season budget in the third year. We won't issue another problem for every other league that we start to be later like potentially the Premier League on June the twelfth June the eighth or whenever in June they WANNA finish their league on June the thirtieth so you have to find a decision something for those plays off contract. Oh the loan finish on June. The thirtieth otherwise. He's going to be a complete mess. It's crazy that they haven't even properly discussed this issue. All right guys. I hate to do this to you and Ian. I guess I'll start with you here. Neither of you sounds very optimistic. based on what? I'm hearing right now. How close do you think we already getting an announcement about a restart date from the Premier League? It could happen. I think as early as this Thursday. I don't think it'll happen tomorrow but AS UPSET. I think there are a lot of obstacles still in the way and yet as yet I haven't been proper discussions with the players. We've had quotes from various. Says your Guero who's oft-quoted about the plan is being scared to come back in one or two have reservations but I think the vast silent majority really I would say the simple souls of bullets but they want to play. I think if people tell them that it's gotta be as safe as it can be They'll be along with it so I still think they're on course rates for it to happen on June the twelfth. But it's by no means a certainty. Jules what do you think upset? I've said it for a few weeks. Now think there would be for border primarily will resume restart but not before July think June mid June is too wordy. There's so many things to there's no protocol there's not even a protocol. There's nothing in Germany. You've got documents and documents. Sam initially same in Spain where everything is. The regulations is already sorted everything on paper. What people will do what people who are those rentals overdue? There's nothing like permanent permanent. His way behind as we are the league's that he's thinking of planning to restart to resume so I don't think they would get it and the government will give the green light and will happen. Bacon happen in June this faults worry and like instead and I think he's spot on the players haven't been asked by their own clip. What you want to do. Do you want to play? Do you think he's safe enough to play to grow by training together to go playing June? What you feel about that. Are you scared for your family? Are you scare for yourself? You're expecting a baby. You even more scared because there's a baby coming soon and you don't want to run the risk of getting the virus and then passing onto your wife and etc on those plays the been asked the any questions like that they don't know and let's not forget as well does some of the milligrams. Doctors wrote to the Premier League as soon as last last week with a lot of questions that they didn't have any answers for so. I think there's still too much to Sorta into resolve for the permitting to be able to resume at the beginning of June June. Well said gentlemen if you want more from Ian at who doesn't just go over to our website and has an article over there right now ranking his top ten signings of the season so far plus the and don't go far your back forth with extra time in shock. His LAP GEICO gets you access to licensed agents twenty four seven which means that. Geico is always there for you. 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Alenia has written an autobiography and is not short on controversies. It goes after a couple of former teammates in Mario Bali and Khalifa Mellow. Here's what he had to say about the book. In a recent interview quote volatility is a negative person with no respect for the group during Confederations Cup against Brazil. In two thousand thirteen. He didn't lend a helping hand for anything he really did deserve a slap however there was someone worse. Felipe Antonello really the worst of the worst for more on this. We Bring Back Gab Marcatti. Welcome into the show. Craig Burley Gab. What's the response been in? Italy killings had to say we've had the response from from ballots. Elion PHILIPPA METAL We've we've had the two of them come back at him. Neither one best pleased like I think the the bollock stuff to do with two thousand thirteen and also of course twenty fourteen World Cup or you know there was a lot of fallout in in in the squad. Philippa metal basically came out and said well Kilani soft essentially as a big baby. I think I kinda surprised that killing me would come out with something like this because you know everybody talks about. Oh look you know. He's great old defender and he's so wise and he's so intelligent. Well fact of the matter is community is an Italian national. Yesterday retired from the game yet. But I'll tell you may or may not be back in the Italy squad to go and have a pop at him. Like this just seems frankly entirely gratuitous just like going after. Philippa mail at least maybe you know. Wait until until you're out the game before before you start With this kind of business also going. In targeting two guys who frankly very few people seem to like have targeted in the past doesn't really take a big man. Craig what do you make of? Gillian says but also the timing of it to release this before he's done with this plan days. Yeah it does seem a bit strange but off the top of my head. I can't remember many if any of them did. Maybe some as you're probably unsurprisingly. I don't pay much attention to it because I don't read them and it's not about football that being said I don't really have a massive issue because you make your bed and you lie on it and so clearly a player current player rights to Burqa your or potential teammate. Or then you foster. You're going to ask. What did he say about me? And he's been negative about an individual. Then then you're going to make a decision and how how you respond to two players that have been mentioned have responded in canes somewhat at the moment but that cell to me what it comes down to whether whether you've been mentioned in the book as a little bit surprising that does know the end of the day as I say is made his bed and you have to lie not with the decisions made in the book Craig in the book. Collini says that he went to management about Felipe Melo. How do you feel about player going to management about another players that crossing the line that the world's previous to go into management to try whatever? The problem was before you take that next step. That are always bad. Apples and dressing rooms Senior players usually have to try and weed them out and help them and straighten them out and if that doesn't happen management has to do something about it and it can cause problem but you know any day killing these during what he's doing Ideal no but ultimately is keep going back to this point. He's written a book. What can't speak can't lie on. He's GonNa have to. He's going to have to take the criticism that comes his way because it. That's the bottom line. Gabby mentioned the response from volatility. I'll read it to you here quote at least. I have the honesty and courage to say things to people's faces. You got so many opportunities to do that since two thousand thirteen to behave like a real man. But she didn't do it. Who knows what you'll say one day about your current teammates you strange captain if this means being a champion then I prefer not to be one and I never showed a lack of respect towards the Jersey. What are the odds and ends up being a bad guy? And all this Ari look the faculty leaning is that because he's he's obviously an intelligent guys. Under those footballers the media absolutely loves. Because you know he speaks in complete sentences and he's he's he has a university degree But I I just think this is. This is really a responsible. Let everybody knows what he's done in his career. Everybody knows the issues that he's had everybody knows about the meltdown. Twenty fourteen within the squad. And unless you were a part of it You're not gonNA know exactly who was to blame. I mean clearly. Gallini wasn't the one who got the blame. Volatility did but that said there's a lot of opportunities where you can go and deal with this and there's one other factor in this to kid anywheres a million different hats. He also happens to be on the national board of the Italian players. Union volatility. I presume is a member of the Union. He's got a representative role as well. Now if you don't want to have a representative role if you just want to be. The Guy who sits in the corner doesn't take official roles and and just you know speaks his mind all the time. Hey that's fine but you can't. You can't have both roles. You can't be on the board of a union this supposed to look out for players all players including voluntarily and then go and decide. I'm GonNa make a few bucks by going ripping this guy who gets ripped all the anyway like Philippa. Mailo me on my add and do it in a book at the same time. I'm going to be you know the guy sticking up for footballers all footballers because I sit on the union. I don't think he's thought this through and I don't think they know a lot of people disagree with me but I don't think he gives he comes out of this looking looking very sharp it. All Craig is a teammate. Would you trust killing after this book has come out? I had many teammates that may or may not write a book so may have part and parcel you know just because he's done it now some the isn't GonNa go and write a Watson Book You know five years down the lane so as as you know if I go to bed at night worrying about all the guys played with one of the book and whether I'll be ended up booking whether it'd be positive or negative ago bed in the morning so as I say he's made these bad he he he can lie on. It doesn't seem like an ideal scenario for me from from current player. But what did we do? He's writing a book is right and that wasn't a ballroom book if he's disabled to do be what empty tell stories all know. That's the bottom line here. I really as I say unless you're an individual that's involved in killing his book. I really wouldn't be bought an island on. Thanks guys great stuff. You want more from Gab. Make sure to check out this week's edition of the gap in Jules podcast drops every Monday over on the website. Espn back on your TV screens. Tomorrow Dan Thomas in the host here on Monday reminder. Espn NFC now available. Six days a week Gav Craig. We've got some transfer rumors to get through. Let's start with Paul Pug Gab. Reports out of Italy that event is is basically the only team left interested in Pago. What do you make of it? I mean what I make of it. Is We gotTA fill pages. You know what I don't you have issues. I think midfield is probably not one of them what they were talking about some complicated thing where pianist goes to Barcelona and then pod comes in. I mean the fact of the matter is I think everything is on hold until they get a clear picture of finances and I stick to what you always says. Pa is happy at United. He'd be happier at a united team. That was competing for the title but the ways wages are right now. I don't I don't see you vent making this work unless Christiana retires or something which obviously we'd be bad for other reasons dad speaking of Manchester United the reports out of England or now that they've dropped out of the sweepstakes for Kula Bali leaving only Liverpool. You believe that the way I should clarify that bit about Cristiano Renaldo retiring. It's purely hypothetical has no suggestion. He will anytime soon. I think Kula Bali has has a clause. He's he's for sale. The transfer window doesn't open for a while. I don't see why united would make a decision now. Obviously Liverpool have been strongly linked to him. But I think there's a million twists and turns that that this story could take. I think it's highly unlikely. Cool to Bali will be Napoli next season and Obviously Liverpool. Like other clubs have taken a long hard look at him. Craig on the show last week. Your Mate Don Hutchison said quote. Wrap the title up right there if Liverpool Cool Bali. Not Quite simple no because other clubs will hopefully do business once this Pandemic is over over in Gob said. There's a clearer picture of the financial situation. Look as Killa Bali last week myself as the great for most clubs absolutely fantastic sent a half but you gotta weigh out the pros and cons going to be twenty nine this summer and a month or so does the financial situation in getting depleted the RAGES AND LIVERPOOL OF ALREADY. Got Not mind you need is more. They've got a good set off and McGuire and then there's a couple of half so I'm sure they would like to read over enough. They could bring a new word. Know Liverpool haven't Matete. They have lover and they have. Joe Gomez Excellent Young Player. None of them to the standard of Bali but they've already got arguably the greatest defender in Belgium van Dyke so then need for another half desperation so they've got other places in the team They would need to look and I would be surprised if lever. Pu unshared money on another half when they could spend that money and other places in the team for the reasons that I explained all gentlemen. We'll leave it there for today reminder for plenty more transfer talk head over to our website. Your home is important. That's why GEICO helps make it easy to save on Homeowner's insurance because home is more than just a place. Home is where you build a giant pillow fort in your living room and when people ask why you have a pillow fort near living room. You say it's for your dog. And when they ask what kind you say chocolate lab and we have a web of lies. That's almost as intricate as the crown molding in Fort Pillow. The GEICO Insurance Agency could help protect the pillow. 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Us Soccer has always realize that and have been wanting to get to the table with no success because they realize they were in a no win situation even though they wanted. I put that in air quotes largely the compensation piece of this trial right they. They realize they've lost in public sentiment. And some of the sponsors of course have voiced their disapproval of the way. They've handled this and they know they have to make amends here and so the women on the other hand the players. This could be a two year. It could be a bargaining chip that they hold in their pocket to get to the table that they drop the appeal. But I think a two year process that you don't know the outcome again if you stay with. The appeal is something that doesn't favor the future of the women. I think they should get to the table. Jeff I'm interested in the Federation's perspective here. Despite the legal victory does seem like. There's still an awful long way to go. Yeah absolutely and I think as Julie mentioned I think there's huge incentive for the federation kick starting to go to negotiations. I think they've been at that place for months and months. I mean you remember the march seventh letter from President Carlos. Cordeiro where you know. He expressed the federation's desire to to get back to the table and he extended some some terms that that the women were were wanting in terms of having the same bonuses you know for for Games of the US control so again. I think that's a huge motivation for the federation obviously been bloodied by this. Just as Julie mentioned in the way that they've carried this out granted a lot of it is as of its own making but especially with a completely new leadership structure in place for the federation both in terms of the President Cindy parlow cone and the new. Ceo Will Wilson. I think there is a revised or or a revived movement to want to get to the negotiating table and and put this behind them and the other thing. That's kind of hanging over. All a little bit is the. Cba that size are currently operating under ends or expires at the end of twenty. Twenty one so you know. I think the sooner that they can get a settlement worked out the easier that it will be to start those negotiations but I think that will also be an incentive for both sides to try to come to the table and get something done something else that'll impact the US women's national team. Alex Morgan had a baby this past week. S Right happy. Mother's Day to Alex. Morgan husband. Karasu obviously plenty of reason to celebrate as well Julie. It seems like kind of an outlier now to see a player in their prime. Have a baby. Do think though what we're seeing from Alex Morgan. Maybe the beginning of a trend in women's soccer full for women's soccer players. I think they've proven that you can have a baby and get back pretty quickly. I mean we've seen it from meal going back to my days. Joy Fawcett and Carla Overbeck. Being the Oh Jesus this and the originals who were moms and able to combine and balanced to great careers and being a mom as well so Christie ramp own. Amy Rodriguez I mean Jessica McDonald. Who still playing right now so I think yeah they realized and I think Alex is trying to point out. That both are possible. I think the timeline that Alex put herself under had the Olympics actually happened on time. In twenty twenty would have been really tight turnaround. She would have had to prove that she could make the team in about a month. I think the delay of the Olympics obviously helps that time line a ton but yeah I think she she will prove to a lot of females out there who are are wondering if they could do both Absolutely you can do this when she does. Come back Julie. She'll have to fight through a lot of talented players for that. Top striker spot. Who Do you think is our number one competition? Morgan gets back on the field. I think you have to talk about Karl Lloyd and what. She's been doing that. Nine target position under WLAC WANDER OFF SKI. Ever since Jill Ellis stepped away from the job and vaucluse came in. He has and enlarge part because Alex Morgan has been pregnant. He has put her in that starting position in the number nine and she's been doing well five goals forces and the game. She's under him but the thing he likes most about Carli Lloyd is not just the offensive. Production is what she does defensively and how hard. She works in several. You and I have talked to him at length about this. He gushes black. Who does about the amount of work that carly does on the defense defensive side of the ball as well but I see this actually as more of a tag team I mean what a great option to have Carli Lloyd who will be thirty nine. If the Olympics aren't happened in twenty twenty one and Alex Morgan who's had a year to come back from her pregnancy available as a tag team for that position. And I think that's where he's going to go. I think you're going to see a lot of rotation in the next year and a half with let go on and off ski and an aging. Us Women's national team. Let's change topics real quick. Jeff when it comes to what? Mls might do with their schedule. I've heard about a million different terms. I've heard Studio Games. I've heard regional. I've heard tournament one of all that we're hearing out of. Mls headquarters well. I think they're just trying to figure out a way forward in terms of getting the League started again. You know the latest I'm hearing and there have been reports you know. Same same thing is that they are looking at kind of a mini tournament. If you will to be held in possibly one city like Orlando or maybe they have pods. As is I've heard it referred to where they have a group of teams in four cities They would have a mini tournament with say you know five or six teams. You know maybe seventeen and a group and each team would play each other once and you'd have a knockout stage so It's all very fluid. I'm I'm told that the League wants these Games. They want these games to count and there dangling say CACAK APP Champions League place as the prize at the end of all this and it would replace the one that wants to the US Open Cup because it's looking more and more likely like the. Us Open Cup is not going to take place this year. There's just not enough time to get it in so but again this. This is all very fluid. I mean you have different situations where different shelter in place orders in different MLS. And so. I think the League is is really doing. Its best tried to come up with a situation that works and by the time this tournament is over. I think the hope is that in each city. The situation will calm down to a degree that they can return to their cities and then maybe resume having behind closed doors but again. There's so many variables at play that it's making it really difficult for the to plant as always great stuff jeff for more from Jeff. Check out our website. Espn DOT COM for more from Julie. Check out for podcast. Laughter permitted available on the websites. That does it for this edition of ESPN NFC. Thanks to everyone involved in the show. Gab. Jewels Ian Craig. Julie and Jeff and to everyone hoping had a very happy mother's Day and a happy and safe weekend as well for now. It's time for extra time in dark and the one and only cock his law. Hey there everybody. Welcome into a Sunday Mother's Day edition of extra time. We got trucked his loss guardian dark. And we have your questions. See the Hashtag and see extra time. Let's get right to in the first one comes from jared he asks when the Bundesliga returns next week and do you think there will be more goals or no goals in dark. What do you think. That'd be plenty of come scored by only column Defect Brucie. Dortmund when it starts up again. I think the fantastic showcase I think the Bundesliga we sometimes struggles to salvage. Worldwide Rights is itself. Absolutely all right next question. I guess there's another for Unless you've had any time in a commentary booth you've had it as well so you could answer this. Kardzic wants to know. What was the most difficult name you had to pronounce during a commentary? Stint in new. I always struggle. With South Korea at dread covering condemn. I can never get the names of the most difficult one apart from this pasta. Thumper let's of US know there's thankfully insurance across this there's a kind for Fulham Cooler callen Ninja. I don't think I've studied right there. I struggle to say that in the penalty area. You know like Chaka. I don't have the experience that has names from from all over the world. I don't know I've had my moments. There was a period of over about two years. Got Fellini's name right for the life of me don't ask me why there are a couple of a tricky but I'm not any booth as often as it used to be Sydney as as an ever was true. What's the one that Dan always struggles with? Chaka? Challinor glue all Telenovela. Sometimes I think they put him in the highlights with Dan. I'm sure I'm sure there's shock. What did you fear most defending as a goalkeeper Free Kicks Corner Kicks or penalty? Penalties expected to save a penalty. The all the pressures on the strike and not seeing through I mean as goalkeeper via them necessarily in that regard. You kind of know you know. You almost have to inevitably expect. It's going to school which is always a bitter pill to swallow corners. Defend those you've got more than enough numbers in the box. Those are threatening but free-kicks from my goalkeeping perspective especially depending on who would just taking as the biggest cause for for for Heti because with good takers. They can either side of the wall and they can often leave you embarrassed whereas from the other two. I don't think it has steam kind of Pressure is a goalkeeper guys. The twitter accounts around the show continue to pick up steam. This one tons in from Dan the orange man in what were the conditions that you had to commentate a game is the worst conditions Well I covered the famous snow classic. Oh between the USA and Costa Rica. And I don't think US AFTER WE'RE GONNA put on another March game in. Denver never seen a complete with four inches of snow but that was the incredible night. But the worst was much earlier in my career at stoke while no pull veil on the roof with no protection with Andy Gray coming tasting. How big on the deck of an Atlantic was just slashing down the whole game? I think the microphones count six times during the Coventry and we went absolutely drenched to the skin. Grow Brilliant Thomas here. Why are you okay? All right Tom going in a little bit. All right. Why is the premier league historically failed to attract the world superstar elite level players? Tom Listed on Madonna Rinaldo nine Brazilian Renaldo Messy Name Arc Figo Lena etc okay. We had CR seven but he was signed as a youngster. Is it just the weather or something else shock? What do you think is weather keeping superstars out of the premier? The well I'm sure. That's a factor but speaking Real Madrid Boston in particular have traditionally attracted the biggest names in and we'll football. I'm showed rather has something to do with it or language has a lot to do with it as well. A lot of the names that you mentioned there On not native English speakers. But then you know that's kind of the minority of the cream of the crop primarily continues to attract work last talent maybe not be like Renaldo at the very best all in a messy who you know he went to Boston. Fourteen seventy on hasn't moved understandably. That's not a fair indicator. I think all fair accusation I think and what do you think does the premier league lash be the the elite level star? I think some of the superstars check US right. South American style specially tend to gravitate towards Spain mainly and sometimes it's Li as well and remember thirty. Four reason is the it's been maybe the biggest paying as well. The money used to be setting the in Italy. You never thinking of the early ninety s but I do think climate comes into it as well. I'll tell you a story hit. We were out covering a road game in the Champions League in Harvey since the Co commentator with me and he got to speak to edit the flavor octa off of the game and said Everton are interested in you you know and he said what do you think. I'm going to decide. I can stay in Rhode folk go got there. Well all right last one here question from cruiser. Good friend of the show. What's everyone's favorite soccer documentary to watch of course plenty of options right now? Lists a few Sunderland till I die. We Are L. AFC Boca Juniors confidential. What would be a good new documentary in your opinion shock? What are you watching? Watch any soccer documentaries. That's for sure and I said you haven't seen any of those that were listed. I don't know I mean what what stores of would grab my attention. May May maybe something around one of the bigger clubs right now and and what's going on behind the scenes but I'm always a little bit skeptical of those things having spent time in in many of those dressing rooms. A lot of what goes on won't be won't broadcast and I know that so. I don't feel personally speaking. I don't think you're guessing the full story. So they as a result. Don't call them much much. Interest for me in any socks. Dachshund you're well Tottenham one coming up and of course they've been following the team around this season. It'll be interesting to see that when it comes out bearing in mind with rail bizarre season that is turned out to be a coin. Join the SUNLAND. Well I think right now the Manchester City one kind of had a feeling a bit like the PR exercising. You get the feeling you're already seeing what they want you to see sometimes but for me head and shoulders the best documentary. Not only the best documentary I've ever seen is the thirty thirty two escobar's about the Colombian the Monroe's Escobar and his death and how that all intertwined with the with the drug story in Columbia absolutely phenomenal documentary. Anyone who hasn't seen that see it definitely? Definitely one of the best in a long line of best for thirty for for thirty. And how can I throw it out there because there's one just came across recently In it's about American soccer soccer town. Usa It's about the group of guys early nineties from Kearney New Jersey that kind of led the US back into the World Cup in Italy Ninety and then ninety four as well. It's all those guys from dumpster. Brahmos Tony Meola. All this really interesting things only about an hour and twenty minutes so definitely worth a watch on on Youtube. I think that's it for this edition of extra time. We do one last final happy. Mother's Day to all the mothers out. There will be back tomorrow. Dan Thomas is in the hot seat with his band of characters enjoy it.

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BONUS: Lightning Round Epilogue | S1: The Women's World Cup

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BONUS: Lightning Round Epilogue | S1: The Women's World Cup

"Hello. I'm granting knock grant wall. But I'm sitting with grant wall high. Oh, I'm sorry. It is a Friday high grant. Hello. Hello. So we thought it'd be fun to end the series with a quick rundown of what our main characters have been up to in the years since our stories ended sort of like a pop quiz for you. Yeah. Everyone's very busy who is part of this podcast series. All right. Let us start with Julie Foudy. So I just thought Julie Foudy today here in New York at US women's media day for the World Cup. She works for yes, PIN covering soccer and a lot of other sports. She's an award winning television journalists, and I wish he would run for fever president. But I think it's something that she really enjoys doing the TV stuff, I would vote for her. I don't know if I get a vote, but I would vote for her cool Michelle Akers, what she'd been up to Michelle Akers lives on her horse farm outside of Atlanta, where she has a lot of rescues. She's taken horses that have been abused and revived them supported them and has a deep attachment with them. I actually. Visited her a few years ago at her horse farm. And one of the first thing she said to me was unit on farms very much. Have you? That she lives there with her son, Cody, and she's hoping to get into coaching, obviously, she has a lot to share. She would be a very intense and wonderful coach is my guess speaking of wonderful and intense coaches, what is instant ordinance been up to Anson is still the women's soccer coach at the university of North Carolina. He has won twenty two national collegiate titles by far, the most of any coach in the history of women's soccer in the NCAA. He's still very much Anson you know, as you can tell from this series, very persuasive guy, very charismatic and still an active soccer coach. Has he chilled out at all in the twenty years, that you've known him has age him down a bit now not Mia Hamm, what's me? I've been up to me lives in Los Angeles, and she's married to Nomar Garciaparra. Former Boston Red Sox player, they have three kids, and they are both part of the ownership group of. L AFC. The MLS team that just started doing so well out there. And she's a youth soccer coach for her kids, which is pretty intense. I'd like to see what kind of house. She coaches kids, I will I'd hate to go against her kids teams. That's oh yeah. That's where I'll Yvette. Linda Madeline who was the player. We spoke to you from the Norway team. What has she been up to? She is still a canine cop in Oslo, and has been doing that for many years. She has sort of a colorful, public personality over there. She's a local politician that she's an outlet Spion and a member of the conservative party. Is she put it to us quote? I'm on the Donald Trump side but not like him and started laughing Linda Madeline, always one of the more intriguing personalities in the women's game is still intriguing Karen Gabeira. She is the women's soccer coach at the US naval academy in Annapolis, Maryland. She's been there for a really long time and I I still imagine she was the MVP of the ninety one World Cup. You know, if she had done that in twenty fifteen she would be a household name in the United States, but she didn't ninety one. So she's not. Yeah. Actually, I think we're about to get into a slew coaches. Yeah. April heinrichs. She coached the US to the two thousand four Olympic gold medal. She also goes to the US in the two thousand three World Cup and two thousand Olympics didn't win those tournaments. She was the technical director for youth national teams on the women's side until very recently for US soccer. She's going to be on the fee, a study group for the two thousand nineteen women's World Cup. So I'll see her and France. Shannon Higgins, Roszke, or Shannon. She is the director of coaching at the Bethesda soccer club in Maryland. She coach at the collegiate level as well. She's married to Sasha Serov ski, who is the men's national title winning soccer coach, at the university of Maryland. Well and just a quick last one. What's at bladder been up to? Not a lot at over an hour to speak to us. So I, I think we could've kept him online even longer, he still lives in Zurich, Switzerland. And, you know, it's, he's in this odd situation, I guess, at the age of eighty three where he was arguably the most powerful figure in world sports for seventeen years is fee for president. And then it was all gone, and I actually saw him last year at the men's World Cup in Russia. He was invited by Vladimir Putin and I asked him toward the end of our interview. Or are you going to go to the women's World Cup in France, this summer? And he had got a long pause. And he said, you know, if I'm invited. Yes. And that invitation has yet to come. He's lived a strange strange life. Is there? Any last thoughts anyone you wanna thank? I mean, I, I would want to thank all the people who gave so generously of their time to be interviewed. For this podcast series because we asked a lot from people we did multiple interviews with the same people. Sometimes asked for more than our from few people, and it was such a, a learning experience for me just to hear these things I hadn't known about what women's soccer was like back in the early days. Yeah. Obviously, I would like to thank you, and everyone Sports Illustrated, and it's just been a really rewarding experience, while it has been my pleasure. And in my last act as your producer of the series, could you tell everyone to rate and subscribe, and tell a friend about the show. Everyone out there if you like this podcast series throwback. Please rate and review, it an apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts and telephone. I think this is a story. I hope that transcends soccer interest, obviously, soccer people. I hope like it. But I think even down soccer people will so, yeah. But it out there. Oh. Do you want to give your handles? We should do that. I grant wall. Great cool. All right. Thanks so much.

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"That's what she said. That's what she said. That's what she said what she says. Well, that's what she said. Welcome to. That's what she says conversations with interesting people from the world of sports, music comedy and more talking about their lives, careers, successes, and failures. Hello loyal. That's what she said was Sarah Spain listeners. If you're wondering why there's a new podcast popping up in your feed on a Thursday instead of the regular Tuesday and you happen to not have listened to this week's podcast yet, you will be delighted to learn that you're one of the I. Hear all the details for the live virtual podcast. Next Thursday October first at eight PM Eastern and I'm going to be giving you the registration links. So you can be among the first to sign up as well. It is free, but it's limited in terms of numbers. So make sure you head over and sign up if you're interested, it's bitterly. So be it dot L. Y. Slash T. W. S. S. ten, twenty, the ten twenty is October twenty twenty. So bitterly be it dot L. Y. Slash T. W. S. S. ten twenty that's where you go to go to the registration page. You'll fill out a little bit of information to get you the link so that you can join the virtual podcasts and you can also submit questions and dilemmas for me and all of my guests, my guests which I have not yet announced we'll be Julie foudy super excited talk to her she in the rest of the ninety nine women's World Cup team have sold the life rights that they have of their story to Netflix's for a feature films we're going to talk about what it's like. To. Have Your Life in your accomplishments turned into a feature film. She's also one of the CO owners along with a Bevy of superstar for the new NWS team Angel City and so I'm GonNa talk to her about what it's like to to get in meetings, with Jennifer, Garner and Natalie Portman and Serena Williams it Alexis. So Hania and and all these famous folks that are joining together to start that team expectations they for their ownership group and all the behind the scenes on how that came together, which allegedly was literally Natalie Portman hearing Abby Wambach speech and saying this is S. I'm going to help this woman. And other women become owners and take the next step in the world of sports So I'm just really pumped and Saudi is Oblast as you guys all know so much fun. So we will be kicking back with some cores lights and chatting, and then Tony Rally what he page and Izzy Gutierrez are going to join the second half all the behind the scenes secrets of around the horn and I promise there will be at least one Jay Mariotti story involving voicemails, post show. It's all I can tell you I don't WanNa give anymore, but there's some fun behind the scenes from three guys had been doing that. Show for a long time about everything you're wondering about the scoring, how it really works. Do they already know who's GonNa win? Do you have your face times ready to go and some of the Funnier One off guests that have filled the boxes on around the horn. So those are the main details Thursday October I, eight PM Eastern me Julie Foudy Tony Reality. Woody page. Is He Gutierrez Coors light and you, and again like you your regular listeners know I always fixed dilemmas. So when you register, you can submit questions for any of the guests or dilemma that you want me or one of the guests to fix live. Registration is free, but space is limited. So go to bit dot Li Slash Twa S. Ten twenty. That's what she said ten twenty bit dot L. Y. Slash T. W. S. S. ten, twenty, those are the numbers ten and twenty, one, zero, two, zero. be it dot L. Y. SLASH TWA s S. One. Oh Two oh to snag a seat to a fun evening hanging out with me and my friends next Thursday. Hope to see y'all there. That's what she said.

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30for30+ "Back Pass"

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"Thirty thirty podcast is brought to you by our friends at state farm. Whatever life brings your way. State farm is here to help life, go right? Farm has over nineteen thousand agents across the country, nineteen thousand is a huge number. But it's not the number. That's impressive. It's the personal service and attention to detail. You can only get from your local state farm agent. Talk to a state farm agent today about combining the purchase of your home and auto insurance. State farm here to help life, go right? Low thirty for thirty plus my name is Jody arrogant. Today, bonus episode talking more about our recent audio documentary, it's called a back pass. It's the story of US women's soccer in the wake of the nineteen ninety nine World Cup win. There was an effort to capture the momentum of that win. And the star power of that team and start a professional women's league. That league that w USA only lasted three seasons. Doc looks at how and why it all fell apart if you haven't listened to that doc. You can hit pause on this. Go to three for thirty podcasts at calmer. Just look below in the feed. And listen to the documentary backpass, only if you promise to come back and listen to the rest of us here to discuss of the folks behind the peace producer reporter, Andrew Helms, and producer, Meredith who also hosted the episode. Hey, thanks. Hi. Hi. We should give shadow to another Andrew right off the bat. Thirty for thirty producer angel MAMBO who helped guide this over the last about a year long process from when we first started talking about this, too, when it came together, and we wanted to put it out, now a little part from our usual spring and fall seasons. Because there's a sort of Newt larger news hook and then, of course, there is the hook of the fact that there is a World Cup going on right now. Twenty years since nineteen ninety nine so, before we get to these bigger think things, Andrew, your soccer journalist, I'm gonna ask you the US women gonna win. That's a tough question. I will say hundred percent it's going to be the hardest World Cup. If the US does come out on the other side as victors this is the deepest the most competitive World Cup. We've ever had in a big part of that is something I think we might talk about later about how the rest of the leagues around the world from France to Germany, are starting to catch up with what the United States is doing and the failure of this first women's pro league has a lot to do with why the gap between the rest of the world in the US shrinking. Right. And so it's so it's not about this is a weak US team is a very strong team. It's just the rest of the world. Yeah. Soccer is getting better. I don't think they're gonna win. You don't think they're in these cases, right? You just take the field, right? No. I just think I think Francis. Really? Good. And. Yeah. All right. We'll see. We'll see that time you listen to this later. So we always ask this question right off the bat in these bonus episodes, because these, these episodes, take as I said months and months of how years to make and there's many, many edits along the way and we end up leaving a lot of stuff that we still really like on the cutting room floor. So do either of you wanna flag a piece of tape that you love that didn't make it into the final piece? Definitely. So we talked with Lauren Greg who is the assistant coach at the ninety nine World Cup. And her interview, though, it didn't make it into the final piece, totally shaped our approach to reporting, and asking other people questions. And she had this great way of phrasing, the and Ana ruin the clip of about play. But just like the struggle of making it past the collegiate level for women's soccer players. At this time, let's take a listen for God's sakes, all these kids, you know, the dreams just ended one day they literally were there one day and end. Did the next and there was nothing just a complete abyss. Just nothing. So when you say that shaped how you guys approach this piece, how so when we talked to the players that weren't sort of are ready in the highest level of the game. So the players, Julie Foudy the Carla over Bax it was really we looked at their relationship to this abyss. So in talking to Shannon box she was deep in it. She was working at California pizza kitchen. You know, she was hustling to try and make soccer a part of her life. But there just wasn't any opportunity to get to that next step also kind of went to this generational challenge of the DEA for league wasn't just, you know, something that happened after ninety nine that this was on the radar of people close to the national team for decades, you know, Lauren, Greg talked about, there was a proposal after the ninety six Olympics to try and start a pro league that this was this was on the mind of people close to women's soccer for a long time. And. That what made ninety nine so compelling that they finally had the audience in the platform to try to do it. But we wanted to make sure that the way we told the story that it wasn't just, you know, oh, well, a couple of billionaire investors came in after the ninety nine World Cup and thought of an idea of a pro league it was no this was the dream of the coaching staff the players people around the women's game for a long time. And I and I really like this notion that it's not just the story of the names, we know who were probably going to be fine, right. But also when you have to build a pro league you get all these other players who wouldn't have had a chance as we just heard after college to play at another level. And so we should talk about Shannon box his are kind of we follow her Arkan. She is really the exemplar of that story. I on her Wikipedia page right now. And I'm looking at Shannon boxes career. And just basically, you know, a decade of professional women's soccer, but also an Olympic gold medal in two thousand four. In two thousand eight and two thousand twelve fee for World Cup medals. Tell me if I'm wrong here, but it feels like without the WS, Shannon box doesn't go onto, you know, one of the more storied careers in women's soccer. Yeah. She says in the show, she was, you know, when she made the national team she was twenty six if that league hadn't existed, she would have, you know, left a long time ago and given up her dream to play women's soccer when when we start her story. She's about to apply to graduate school. She wanted to get a masters in psychology and go and go that route when suddenly there was a chance for the first time for her to have a have a professional career playing soccer. So one hundred percent the WS a built Shannon boxes national team career, you know, one thing I thought about with Shannon and is related to what we were just talking here. I mean, you know, in the conversations we've been having around metoo over the last couple of years. One of the big heart most heartbreaking elements is this notion of career opportunities cut short because of off. Awful behavior. Misogyny systemic issues and it connects here in that this, this notion of how many players would have not had the opportunity or didn't hit that perfect window of opportunity. Shannon did with the w essay and I don't know. I mean, is there is there is case, we made that there's kind of lost generations of great women's players who just fell through the cracks or drifted off to other stuff because there wasn't the infrastructure in place. Absolutely. I mean in talking about the best. It's like basically title nines at the stage for women's, I mean women's sports across the board, but I think case can be made for specifically women's soccer to take off and like if you fell in between, you know, like making the national team and being at the top level of collegiate soccer, there just wasn't a place to go. You could go abroad and Shannon, has this great story of going abroad and just like totally getting worked and like being expected to play for free. The and like just the drudgery of it. And it's really amazing to hear these players the Stanichev. They had the their first paychecks and like being able to be paid for something that, basically they devoted their entire lives to pitch as you point out. We're pretty small one thing Shannon said back on to this point was, when she played in the second iterative women's pro soccer WPN that started six years after this league folded. She was like it was a totally new crop of players all the players, like Jackie little in those six years, where you need you need to make money to make a living. You can't just keep up in peak soccer fitness that whole time and have a fulltime job. They all went onto other stuff into the that there was a generation of talent from the W say that once that league went away, just dispersed and fell out of the game and never got back into it. I mean, six years is like almost two generations and. And peak sports timetables. So I mentioned and the piece obviously tells us that the league fell apart after three seasons as best you can put your finger on it. Why did the league fall apart after three seasons? It's a really complicated question one we wrestled with a lot in production about how to explain why it happened. I mean, I think the way I, I like to think about it there were, there were self-inflicted errors, you know, this was a league that came in with an unrealistic expectation of what it was going to cost and how long it was going to take to make money, and that was their real fundamental misjudgment from the start. You know, we tell the story of their sitting in this boardroom in the middle of the first season. And they realized that the forty million dollars, they've budgeted for five years is gone, and it sounds really bad, but you talk to folks who are close to pro sports. And they're like, yeah, that's normal, you know, it costs a lot of money to build a business from scratch, and, you know, and that's where I think where where we wanted to take the story at the end is, is kind of compared abuse a two other similar professional leagues. And recognize that, like look MLS in its first five years, lost two hundred fifty million dollars. But there were a couple of billionaires willing that number again, by the way. Two hundred fifty million in five years, and, you know, there's a story of three billionaires basically fill on shoots Lamar hunt, and Bob Kraft basically decide to make a twenty year bet to save amend soccer in America. And today, the league that you have of Major League Soccer with you know, growing of twenty four teams at this point, you know, that is the fruit of that investment, there was no comparable investment in in women's pro soccer when this league WS had lost one hundred million dollars. It's investors all well, intentioned in good people didn't have the capacity and also didn't have the commitment to, to keep floating league for decades until it made a profit. You know, Major League Soccer won't turn a profit until twenty twenty six that's thirty years after it was founded WSF got three years to be successful. And so that's I think a thing we don't think about enough with women's professional sports is, is. It's gonna take a long time to a lot of years of losses decades of loss. Before you make money. Yeah. The answer is often the combination of the individual decisions and the structural forces that said, one individual, who's a big part of this is Jon Hendricks, who is the billionaire cable cowboy billionaire, right. Yeah. Million multi million hundreds of hundred million. Mary Kay cable cowboy guy who basically willed this league into existence by gathering up his rich friends, and it took us awhile, took you awhile to, to finally get him. But we all knew that it was very important to get him. So Marathi one talk a little bit about the process of landing that interview what the goal was to go into that interview conducting that interview. And then also like where does Jon Hendricks standard? Now. How should we feel about this guy who started this league within also kind of let it fall apart under him? I don't know. I think Andrew and John Hendrix's personal assistant. We're an texting relationship for about two months before we got the interview. I, I talked to him in in September, and we'd landed the interview in February. So it was like it was a long. It was. And so we, we flew down to Florida to interview him at his second home with the, the sort of parked parked next to it, and it was really interesting to see this man that everyone described as just like the nicest person and hearing how he both like you said, will this league into existence and scoured the earth to find new investors, but also like watching him grapple with the decisions of, like if he had another chance to do this, and this other this amazing platform of the ninety nine World Cup falling in love with the team and washing his daughter who played competitive. Soccer fall in love with this team and wanting there to be role models for her and for women girls daughters like that. And I think that really set the tone for the investment group, the site DEA of, of dads, and I think that both led to allow. Lot of like emotional commitment. They were really on board, but also may be obscured. A little bit of their business sense. John literally was like I kind of thought of it as like a philanthropy, that had a business had to have some business acumen to it and that, you know, you can go back. We didn't use it in the podcast. But the in the press conference he gave right as the league started. He said, you know, most businesses you come up with a three year timeline for a business to succeed. This one's a little different this one might take four or five years to turn a profit. And that was what they literally thought you know that they thought with the ninety nine World Cup with all of the stars. They had with Mia Hamm, we forget Mia Hamm was so famous right? Mia Hamm was in commercials with Michael Jordan. She was that level that there was no way this league couldn't take off in three or four or five years. And when we talked to John at his home, in Florida, he said, you know, if I could go back and do it again. That would be the thing that I would that I learned I didn't have had never run a pro league. I'd never been. In pro sports, I didn't realize that it was going to take ten fifteen twenty thirty years, and that was, you know, when he when he went around and pitched investors, you know, his friends from Comcast and Time Warner, he pitched them on a vision of a league that would turn a profit in five years, it became pretty apparent early on that, that wasn't going to happen. And that made it that much harder for him to wrangle all these guys and keep getting them to put more money in, because they always would say, John, you told me this was gonna make money. Now, you're telling me, it's not gonna make money for five ten fifteen years. How am I going to keep doing this? And so that, that was the, the struggle they had. But then when we compare it to what you told us about the kind of billionaire investors who are on a twenty year timetable with men soccer. Are you saying they're not viewing that as charitable sort of investment? They're thinking that as a just a long time table. I think so. Yeah, if you're just throwing money something for twenty years. It's gotta be some level charity, but maybe no. No. I think I think this is the, you know, investments all about belief. Right. Investment is about seeing something that's not there and believing there's going to be a market for it. The guys who threw money behind Major League Soccer. You know when they were doing that major league soccer's TV ratings were abysmal. They were point. Once they were the same as, as TV ratings. It's not as if there was some huge calling for men's soccer in two thousand one but there were people who had a vision and believed that they would get there and that was not present for, for, for women's per soccer, and that I think is a question that we of have to look in our in mirrors. -ociety and say, why is it that we always see a path for mens pro sports, but not a path room inspir- sports? So I wanna get to that, and I want to get some of this larger context about the relationship between US women and US soccer al-turk a little bit about the actual craft of making this piece. We'll do all that in a moment, but first, we're gonna take a quick break. Thirty for thirty podcasts. Brought to you by on star now no one likes to think about getting crash. But if one happens in an onstar equipped, vehicle, you have people looking out for special centers can alert on star advisors to crash, take you connect to your vehicle and get you the help Mead even if you can't ask for it yourself because when the unexpected happens the last thing you want is the beep. Onstar be safe out thinner, automatic crash response requires plan, working electoral system cell reception. GPS signal. Onstar links to emergency service. Details on start dot com. Thirty for thirty podcasts is brought to you by Delta Airlines. Delta flash, the three hundred cities around the world. That's three hundred cities where everyone does the same things. That's three hundred cities where the people in those three hundred cities think they're the only ones who know about that one place, three hundred cities where people miss someone in one of the other two hundred ninety nine cities, three hundred cities where people sing in the car or in the shower or both poorly delta isn't flying three hundred cities merely to bring us together, but to show us we're not that far apart in the first place. Delta, he climbing. All right. We're back and we'll get to some of these big bigger themes, but let's just do a few minutes on just like the making of this piece. So meredith. There is some amazing archive will in this piece, and I think people who've listened to the podcast will hear me, say many, many times, I think the thing that sort of elevates, our work on the film site. On the podcast side. It's the thing we're always hunting for. We open with home home videos that Julie Foudy shot throughout basically that ninety nine World Cup and maybe beyond as a radio maker, you were the sort of lead, producer and sound designer on this. What was it like just like play with that tape? It was amazing. And I think it's so important to have somebody that's we see so much in front of the camera. Like, Julie Foudy who's this national personality? So nice to have you damned video camera every time somebody walks fairly turn around through gimme a few words about this. Time to, to have her behind the camera and to see these monumental events through her is was just really powerful and really powerful tape to work with. I think also like I really wanted to tap into that nineties two thousand style. I think everyone had that member of the family that just had that tape camcorder taped to their hand, and, like, whether it was family vacations or road trips. And I think is just really of that time, where recording something with special and is definitely a different relationship that we have now with smartphones and stuff is still get you get like fire festival. Doc, which is basically all patched together, Instagram videos. And so, you know, you have a million Julie Foudy telling the story, which is kind of nice to that home. Video element is great and an injury like the actual finding of that tape has a bit of a mistake keeper to it as well right the jewelry. Yes, she couldn't find a lot of it. So. So, but she was able to track down some of it in her basement, which was great. And then I mean, the real coup was finding the home video tape that she shot at the first ever w essay game, I recall shooting Billie Jean at the game in saying you helped us be part of this. This is happening. Billy this happening right now. This. Live in this. And in the crowd of thirty five thousand behind her. And so that took some creative hunting. But it actually ended up, it was on a guy in Texas who basically is like a soccer archivist and there's nowhere to get any of these games. But there's this guy who's got a website and kind of emailed him, it was like can I order, some of these basically needs sent me, you know, he would hand copy DVD's and send me individual DVD's of games. And so some of her home videotape, it actually ended up on a show that aired on TNT, but it, even though is on TNT was actually Julie's original tape so that was how for the for that crucial bit of tape of her at the opening game with Billie Jean King, who had been such an inspiration that actually Julia never found. But it was on TNT. And when I saw it, I was like. It's always nice to have that moment. Again, if anyone listening out there is an athlete on the precipice of doing something monumental that will want to talk about it in ten fifteen lease record a lot box in the basement will come knocking we'll find that box in ten years. No more use it in a thirty for thirty Andrew, you sorta come from a writing background. You're soccer journalist, but like to turn towards audio. Yeah, it was it was a new experience for me of done documentary work film work, but never just straight audio documentary. I think one of the things that surprised me was just the, the tension between conveying information and conveying emotion. And in a written piece, it's it's so easy to convey, a lot of information, very quickly. It's a lot harder to convey emotion. And it's kind of the inverse, I think, in audio where it was. So, you know, you hear the sound and Julie Foudy voice when that league collapses and just the raw emotion of it. And that is so. That's so unique and audio and so rare and the challenge was, how do we give the story enough information? So that you're okay with that unhappy. And you you feel like you know what's going on? So you and you don't crowd out the emotion with information. I think that, that was the challenge Meredith, and I had throughout the various cuts and drafts was finding that line. So we'll end on this larger notion of US soccer and the US women's players. I'm in the piece. This is something I kind of learned, we hear about a low a history leading up to ninety nine and then it sort of plays out in the wake of ninety nine that there was just a lack of trust between the governing body of US soccer and women's players as I said, when we started, we wanted this piece to come out because this seems to be an ongoing dynamic and is actually very much in the news as we head into a new World Cup. So Andrew, how would you characterize the current relationship between the governing body and US women, not great? Okay. I mean, they literally just sued US soccer. Months ago so that lawsuits over over gender discrimination, and, you know, one of the things Julie has said, you know, we were fighting for equitable treatment, there now fighting the battle for equal treatment, and so that the, you know, the ninety nine is kind of made those first forays into saying, you know, why is it that, you know, we fly a certain way in the men fly certain way. Right. They fought and got a lot of changes in benefits. But it's it's this current team that's now saying, you know, literally dollar for dollar sent for sent there's no reason why if a woman's player plays twenty games and makes ninety nine thousand dollars a year and amend player plays twenty games and mixed close to three hundred thousand dollars a year. Like those numbers should not be different, especially when the women win. All right. Well, we will end on that note, and your home's Meredith. Thank you so much. And anyone else you wanna shout out who had a part in this piece. Yeah. We'd love to shout out. Andrea Scott who has our editor Brennan REEs who did archival research for the team. And obviously everyone who took the time to talk to us from, you know, the I think we interviewed sixteen people and used about ten in the show. But to the I think, nearly forty to fifty people who we talked to in doing research. We'd really appreciate all who contributed him. So listeners if for some reason, you haven't heard that podcast, but somehow the end of this one that's a little weird. But you can go back and listen to pass. You can find it at thirty for thirty podcasts dot com or it's below this episode in the feed, and obviously go back and listen to our other docs from previous seasons if you haven't caught them as well. Two quick things special shout out to our friends at I f p the independent film project. This story was a result of a collaboration with them together new ideas. So thank you. I f p Stewart again. And also, we mentioned those home videos of jewelry Foudy, now, some of those appeared in a documentary film directed by our very own. Erin light in. It is called the ninety-niners. It's part of this whole wonderful series on title nine. You can find that on our video streaming service ESPN plus now our next season of original audio is coming later this summer. We have a really great series in store for you. We also have a special series between now and then that's been start a new speed next week. There's lots of good stuff on the horizon. Keep subscribed to keep listening go back into the archives. My name is Jody Avirgan. Thanks again for listening and we'll see soon.

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Andrew Helms, Podcast Producer

The Sporting Life with Jeremy Schaap

00:00 sec | 1 year ago

Andrew Helms, Podcast Producer

"This is the sporting life on ESPN radio and the ESPN app. Here's Jeremy chef. Twenty years after that will marketable breakthrough performance by the US women's national team winning the World Cup in nineteen ninety nine transforming so many members of the team into household names, their story and the aftermath of that victory is the subject of a new thirty for thirty podcast back pass, and we're joined now by the reporter writer, creator of backpass. Andrew Helms Edry. Thank you for being with us. Hey, thank you so much for having me. We had Julie Foudy on in the first segment talking about what's going on right now in France. She's a big part, obviously, any story about what happened twenty years ago in the US. But if you would you would take us back into time, give us a sense frame it in the context of what was going on that summer. How big a deal it was, when brandy Chastain score that penalty. Yeah. I think it's, it's hard to remember all these years later, just how. Monumental the ninety nine World Cup was. But, you know, I remember I was in middle school at the time and, you know, every kid in the neighborhood gathered in my parents liver living room, Hawaii. Oh, great. You're in middle school. I was thirty years old. I was ESPN report doing exactly what I was doing then. But go on. It's alright show off. Yeah. So I was in middle school. And I remember, you know, my sister was a few years older, and I remember, you know, the way she and her friends looked up to those players the way I looked up to those players and talking to Julie, Foudy and talking to Brian scurry those on the team, you know, they have been kinda laboring in darkness for years. Right. They won the World Cup in ninety one. No one paid attention. And then finally, you know, they Julie tells the story of getting on the bus going to giant stadium for the first game and they're sitting bogged down, and traffic and suddenly, they realize the traffic is stands people are coming to see them. And so it's this transformative experience where where for the first time, you know, women's pro sports, women's pro team. Had captured the country's imagination. And, you know, the aftermath of ninety nine it just snowballed there, where, you know, they were at the White House. They were on the cover of, you know, every magazine every morning show, and that gave them this, this, this platform where they started saying, you know what can we do next? What can we do to kind of build on this momentum and have a lasting impact to grow the game, not just for us but for future generations? And that's where the seeds of building the first women's pro league started the w USA, which is what back past of the podcast is all about. We're speaking with Andrew Helms about back passes through thirty for thirty podcasts. And so the assumption in giddy moments in days in weeks after that tremendous win the United States women's national team was that this was something to be built upon what went wrong. It's a great question. You know, I think taking back, you know, everyone's kind of in those, I would say the heady days of ninety nine you know, we're in. This moment where it seems as if nothing can go wrong. You've got, you know, Mia Hamm as a celebrity star in commercials with Michael Jordan, you know, they've huge same as athletes. And then bringing together the investor group was star studded. You had the founder of the league was John Hendrix. The visionary behind the Discovery Channel he was watching the world the World Cup with his family, and he's kind of, you know, motivated, he's got a young daughter, soccer, playing daughter, and thinks this is such a transformative thing for her. She should have you know these these players a platform to play the game weekend and week out. And he reaches out to the founders of two of Time Warner of continental cable vision of Comcast. You know, the biggest names in cable TV in the country. We're investing in women's pro soccer because, you know, at the time as one of the investors said, you know, it wasn't unreasonable to think that women could be the face of soccer in America, and not men, and that was going to be what fro soccer in America was but to get. To your question of what went wrong, I think it was partially that, that hubris that they, they weren't, as conscious on the budget side as they needed to be on those first few years, and they spent way too much money in their first year, we tell the story in the in the podcast of of, you know, they're sitting around the boardroom in the middle of the first season, and, you know, Julie Foudy told us, it was the she was on the board. And it was the come to Jesus meeting. 'cause they looked at the the budget, and they realize, oh my God. We budgeted forty million dollars for five years, and all the money is gone midway through season one. And that was a moment where they realized that these projections of, you know, we're gonna have a pro league it's going to start turning money in three to five years. It's gonna make a profit. That's where I think they started to realize, like, oh, man, this is gonna cost way more. And that's where, you know, to get to the question of what went wrong, you get to the second piece of it. Which is how much does it cost to start a pro league how, how long should your time line D, if you're going to build something from scratch, and that's where you if you compare? To say Major League Soccer. The men's league after five years, they were two hundred fifty million dollars in the hole. You know, and the the women's league after three years was one hundred million dollars in the hole. So kind of in, in comparable situations in arguably and somewhat of a better financial picture. And what was the difference? Is that Major League Soccer had a few billionaires, who are ready to step up and say, we want to we have a twenty thirty year time line, and we're gonna see this through, and that for whatever reasons we can get into them. Hasn't been the case on the women's side. There hasn't been a willingness from investors to lose money over ten twenty thirty years to build the fan base to build the audience, that'll make a women's pro soccer league successful in this country. We're speaking with Andrew Helms about his fascinating new thirty for thirty podcast back pass. And you know around the world, we see viable women's professional leagues. Not only in soccer basketball, volleyball other sports as well. We haven't. We haven't seen a women's professional soccer league succeed at the level it has some other countries here in the US. What did the w USA experiment back in ninety nine tell us about what it will take? You know, I think the w say experiment shows the thing that the WFAN had was, you know, you had the celebrity stars of ninety nine you had, you know, all these components you have these big name cable, investors. It seemed like the alchemy was right. You had you had the right pieces in the water. But the, the missing ingredient was time, I remember the one of the GM's told us, she was Katie button, who was the general manager of the Washington freedom. It was this July game in the third season affiliate charged with playing the Washington freedom and some somewhere in the middle of the second half. Mia Hamm trip to play around the Philadelphia team and the Philly fans just started doing me a ham, and she was she was shocked. Right. Right. American soccer fans were booing Mia Hamm, but her her mind, she thought, that's what we need to develop. We need it, so that you're not just a fan of Julie, Foudy and Mia Hamm when they put on a national team kid, we need you to become a fan of the Philadelphia charge. We need you to become a fan of the San Diego spirit, where Julie Foudy played, and that those relationships take time, you know, I think it's kind of a personal story. My dad never watched soccer going up, but as I got into it as a as, as I got older, we grow in DC. He's now becoming a DC United fan, but it took, you know, he didn't come a fan, right? When that team started. It's now only, you know, twenty years into that team his sons a fan of the sports. He's started to become a fan of that sport, too. And those, I think that's kind of how fandom is thing that's passed down. Right. And we need to give these these things time to, to grow, and that's what's been so great about what, what those investors have done for major league soccer's. They've given it the time in. Space to breathe, and grow and become a viable league. And that's, that's what's needed on the women's side of the game to Wade ended for the W USA, and all the recrimination 's all of the ways in which people realized it had not been handled the best possible way. What were the long-term effects would would people look at the W USA experiment? Then and say, I don't want any part of this. Yeah. Actually, I talked to some folks who are involved in the second interational of, of women's pro soccer. And they said it was really hard to get investors the second time around because they say, well, we tried women's soccer. It didn't work out. And so that was kind of a, a recurring theme of getting that, that investor group that's willing to lose money over a period of time when the narrative had been built up that this thing doesn't succeed when in reality, if you, you know, we have the budgets, we looked at all the numbers. By the final season. They were they were pretty close to breaking even in a few markets. There were a few teams that really needed overhauls. It's, it's a story of like any league you know, it was working in a few places. It wasn't working and a few others. They needed to retool and learn and learn from their mistakes. But yeah, that's the challenge is just you need. You you'd never gonna get it, right. The first time you know knows pro league has a you know, come out of the gates and, and figured it out. And it's it's taken that longitudinal investment to, to make it work. What is the current state of the health of women's professional soccer in the US? I mean, I think one of the big pieces of, of the, the state of women's pro soccer today, is that unlike w USA US soccer the governing body of the sport in this country is fully invested and back and back to the end of USO, which is the current pro league in this country back twenty years ago when the women won the World Cup the relationship between US soccer and the players. Wasn't very good. And the women didn't trust US soccer. They didn't want US soccer to involved in their pro league they didn't want Major League Soccer too involved in their pro league. And that's one of the reasons they went and independent route, and that there was actually a lot of hostility, and honestly competition that, that the men's pro league, which wasn't doing too, great at that time back in ninety ninety nine two thousand saw the creation of a wins reliigous competition. You know, they saw they thought that this was going to be something that might take fans away, take butts out of seats. It was a shame. You know, basically, in one of the markets in Washington DC. You know, they they're I you double headers where, you know, you had Mia Hamm of the freedom and Marco Etcheverry of DC United playing together. They draw thirty five thousand fans, but they stopped doing the double headers, because the GM's of the teams couldn't agree to a formula to divide the ticket revenue from those games, which was crazy. 'cause you know that those were games that were were drawing, you know, bigger crowds than either team could have gotten on their own. But the relationship was really bad. Back then. And that was a big reason why the league folded lash Lord to today, and then WFL US soccer is involved in the league. They run the league's operations there to make sure the league doesn't get over it skis in terms of expenses. They're paying the salaries of national team players who are in the league and the US soccer is kind of recognized that a pro league valuable piece of building and having a successful national team national team that can you know win a World Cup game thirteen to nothing. So it's gotten better. And you look at cities like the Portland thorns where they draw on the on, you know, weekend week out seventeen thousand a game. And they have a really good relationship with the MLS team, the Portland timbers, then you look, you know, outside New York City. The sky blue FC draw couple thousand game there. They play at Rutgers. So for folks in New York City, it's hard to get to. So it's really a tale of league that has a few markets that are succeeding has. Few markets that aren't succeeding. You know, television audiences are really small, you know, and it's going to you know it's a question for fans, you know if you're tuning into, if you're enjoying watching the World Cup of this, this summer. How many of those fans are going to go back and watch the local WFL teams because it's going to take that sustained interest to make this league viable, it can't just be every four years. You tune in. So it's on the investors, but it's also on us as fans. And as you know, those in the media to, to cover it and give it the attention it deserves. And, and make sure that we're, we're paying attention to this game all the time in the hope is that further success, which is expected in France over the course of the next month, we'll put more Matz in the seats at the end of US L games. That's always the hope. Yeah. Yeah. But I think as, as people have found, you know, it's you can't Bank on every four years winning the World Cup. Right. You have to you have to build sustainable audiences and. And certain teams I figured out how to do that better. And at the same time, you know, this is the we're in a changing world, where for the first time the European teams are now investing a lot, more money and women's soccer. So if the US doesn't figure it out quickly, watch out, because, I'll it's Morgan can make a lot more money playing for Leone than she can playing for Orlando city where she plays. Now she plays in the US because she wants to grow the game here, but you're asking players, you know, in some ways, take news news out on some of their revenue earning years to build a game in American. And, you know, is that a fair proposition to be asking? You know, our top top women's soccer players. Andrew Holmes is new podcast is new thirty for thirty podcast is back pass fascinating stories, the nineteen ninety nine years when his national team, it's victory at the World Cup and then its subsequent efforts to build professional soccer for women here in the US. Andrew. It's really been a pleasure. Thanks so much for joining us on the sporting life. Hey, thank you so much for having me. I'm Jeremy shop, and you can listen to new additions of the sporting life, every Saturday and Sunday morning on ESPN radio and ESPN app, beginning at six AM eastern time.

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Julie Foudy, U.S. National Soccer Hall of Famer

Finding Mastery: Conversations with Michael Gervais

1:25:47 hr | 1 year ago

Julie Foudy, U.S. National Soccer Hall of Famer

"I don't really care what people think about anymore in. Obviously, you want them to respect you. But there is a freedom of expression of thought of getting out of your comfort zone that in the past you start going, wait, second guessing, everything or maybe I'm not saying this right way. Or maybe this opinion, isn't a well-formulated. I don't do that anymore with stuff in. I I love that. Now, it's not a complete disregard. And I'll just say whatever I want to say, but like, I don't I I'm not consumed as so many people are in being interesting. I'm much more consumed with being interested. Okay. Welcome back. Welcome to the finding mastery podcasts and Michael jer in by trade and trading a sport and performance psychologist as well as the co founder of compete to create and the whole idea behind these conversations behind this podcast is the learn from people who are switched on and understand and have a point of view and have dedicated their life efforts to exploring mastery. We want to dig in these conversations to understand like how did they organize their inner world. How do they organize their outer life to line those two things up towards the things that matter most to them whether that's mastery of self mastery of craft and along the way, we're working to understand the mental skills that they've used to build and refine that craft okay, athletic greens. Not only have they been an amazing partner for us over the last year. But as I mentioned last week, they have some amazing swag boxes for us to reward. The finding Nasseri tribe. I asked the tribe. What is the single greatest habit to support master of self, and what is the single greatest detriment to master of self. And this was not a loaded question. Like, I'm really wanna learn what the point of view from the tribe is. And then so I was amazed. By the responses, we got was unbelievable. So we picked two winners. Mike Mackin in his were lining up priorities. He thought was the number one habit. 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So it really is a rising tide floats all boats here, so you can learn more and support us athletic greens dot com forward slash finding mastery and you'll get a free twenty count travel pack valued at ninety nine dollars. When you make a purchase, they're really cool. Now, this week's conversation is with Julie Foudy, a former captain of the USA women's soccer team the Olympic and World Cup teams and Julie has had a cessation soccer career while playing on the US national team for seventeen years. She was a captain for thirteen. One of those years. Three time Olympian with two gold medals one silver played in four World Cups winning two of them. And I shouldn't say she won them. She was part of a team in instrumental part of the team. So the team Ouanamint she was a massive contributor to those winds. Phenomenal understanding of the game of winning the process of supporting people to be their very best. Julie finished her national team career with forty five goals, fifty nine assists in two hundred seventy three international appearances in the soccer or global football world. They call those caps turn seventy three caps. And she did it all for the US her two hundred seventy three caps rank fourth in the world, all-time, male or female. Julia was inducted into the US national soccer hall of fame in two thousand seven. That's right hall of fame alongside long-term teammate in infront Mia Hamm and Julian mea were only the sixth and seventh women ever to be inducted into. The hall of fame in the first and only all female induction class. She's on it. She is a global contributor to the game that she loves the most. And she's now a television analyst and reporter for ESPN and the founder of the Julie Foudy sports leadership academy. We talk about that. We talk about the mission. What she's doing the contribution? She's making to the next generation of young leaders, and athletes, and she also recently launched her own podcast laughter permitted. It's a great name for her podcast. You'll see why in a little bit. And I wanna courage to go check that out for shore. So with that, let's jump right into this week's conversation with Julie Foudy, Julie. How are you? That's what's so you you have fire right away. So I I'm doing great two days ago. I thought I was losing my voice. So I was in a mild panic that happens when you're in your forties nowadays. I just seriously. It seems like just yesterday. You're on the World Cup ripping. Yeah. It seems seems the same to me it doesn't know. Seriously. Does it seem that way? Or does it feel like lifetimes ago for you? Well, it's our twentieth anniversary of that nineteen ninety nine game. And we had a big reunion a couple of weeks ago with all the old bags as we call ourselves. And I kept looking around going. We what twenty years that can't be pause -able. No, it doesn't feel that long. I asked to actually like all my fingers count. Like, how long have I been retired? I've been retired from soccer for fifteen years. What was the last time? You played not non. I'm talking about a pick. Like just went and kick the ball around and did some fun whatever not a pick up game. No. When's the last time that you have pick up game? Like a serious one fifteen years ago. So when you retired you're done that was no more. And I I have a hard time going back to it in a casual way there are teammates of mine like joy Fawcett lives locally. She's constantly texting me. Hey, come on. Let's go. Let's play. We got a coed game of a friend Wendelin oxen him who. Has been texting me about playing locally as well. In for some reason. I'm like, yeah, I'm good. Because I I don't think I could do it at the same level, and I'm a little too competitive for that I would get angry and national level. Now, there's a chance is that's the problem. I okay. Did you always have that kind of fiery spirit? Like, I'm gonna play to my upper limits. No matter what was that part of the DNA of what major special. I mean. That's the common denominator of all those players on the national team. When you look back you, okay. If you could pick one trait that everyone had you had a fire burning inside you for sure. Feistiness? What was your sleeves up gig Grady was your fire were to come from? You know, what's so weird? You know, it's not like I was. Born in an underserved community or had hardship in my life. You know, the stories where you go. Oh, well, that makes sense, right? Didn't have the family didn't have the back. The backing didn't have the support. This was their way out. Not that case, you know, white girl middleclass family, great family youngest four. I think it was. It was just me. It was an eight I just love to compete. I was scrappy of feisty and was never my parents pushing me to do it. No, okay. So middle-class three olders, and they were male or female. Tool the brothers, an older sister who were the competitive totally or you guys competitive with each other. This is why almost lost my voice the other day. It was worn whole competition over Easter. I mean, it gets aggressive, Michael. So one of the things on selection, I've been spending time the last eight years on selection with the sales the hawks, and we we love the young third order fourth order siblings. 'cause we know that they had to they had to fight for peanut butter and jelly. Yeah. They had to fight for you know, the extra whatever they had to fight for everything. And so is that true for you to Elian food on the table? The Nate mill scruffy and the Easter egg hunt. You know, putting down the stairs. Do people say that you competed everything like the they roll their eyes out at like, oh my God Julius here. Like a God. Yeah. But but that was that was everyone around you. Right. I if you look on the national team, I think that's why that group got along. So well, finally you were amongst peers who accepted that competitive edge. It wasn't. I mean Mia talks about this all the time. It wasn't like. Ooh, there's that girl that's really competitive in. Cries when she loses in practice. It was like hell, yes. I'm around all these women that it's okay to be a woman a woman and be competitive. And so it wasn't looked at as it's that girl. It was embraced cow. Did your coach pull that together? Because that was new maybe not new maybe that's not the right way to say. But it was definitely something that caught the world by storm was just how radical you guys were, you know, whether it was ripping off your shirt or fist pumping. Like, the whole thing was just amazing. How did your coach pull that together? He. The coach of our nineteen ninety nine team. Tony dicicco was a master at not just being a good manager coach, but a great people manager. And as we know, right? There's great coaches in. There are great coaches who can also manage people and those are few and far between and he had the ability to allow us to be us, which we were very strong personalities, very competitive. There was practices where we literally be going at each other. And he let it happen because he knew at the end of practice. We'd be hugging. Each other laughing about it. How did how did that happen cutting? So that's like this deep care high regard. But in acceptance in a desire to get right on the edge of the day up. And how did that happen? How did he allow that to happen create that wrote will it was conscious for sure like everything we did in training was competitive base? Does keeping score. It was playing lines. It was this is where you fall on the speed ladder. This is where you fall on the one v one ladder. You know, this is where you fall offense defensively end. So. For those who didn't swim in that ocean. Often you were eaten by the sharks. Right. But if you had grown up with that tendency than which is why I say that was the common denominator. Those people are the ones who survived on that national team. And and so he didn't have to necessarily beg it out of us. It was just let's create this atmosphere in we're gonna make it a healthy one. Because we've also seen. There's a there's a wholesome discontent to that. Right. That is negative in its energy sucking, and it's draining, and it tears the team apart because it's all about what I'm getting out of it. And what I'm succeeding at in. What goals I'm scoring and we had this really wholesome discontent of driving each other in competitive as hell, but at the end of the day the team's gotta be winning. Do you remember time in your career life? You said this isn't for me like this. It's too hard. It's too much. I'm over my skis. Who am? I fooling do you have any of those experiences? You know, I think I mean 'cause we got onto the national team. We were so young we were Mia with fifteen Mia Hamm, Christine, Lilley, another one who played more games than anyone ever has internationally. She was sixteen I was sixteen and that's because back then there wasn't youth national teams to play on. So there was reason for that. But when you're fifteen sixteen jumping onto a full one is national team, even though back then in the eighties. It was still new right? We didn't really know what we were getting into. 'cause it was the first generation of players coming through. But yeah, you felt like what the hell am I doing here? I've just gone from playing high school ball to now you want me to play with the United States of America on the back of my jersey. You know, a big USA. And that was scary for sure and it took some years to feel like you were fine. But again, I think that's the beauty of team sports. You're in it with a group that's feeling similar a similar way in. So you can share that amongst your your peers in understand that you're not alone in that regard. And they can help you through it. So we did a bunch of work. I was fortunate enough to work with the Olympic volleyball team from the last quad and the women's team. And so there's two ways to approach the games as you will recognize this you can approach it as if as if it was the biggest game in the world, right? It's a circus innovate self. And there's nothing like it. So prepare for that. Or you treat it as if it's another game, right? And the the boundaries don't change the consequences. Don't change fill in the blades. And how did you go into the games which way did you take it just going to say which way did you take in? Okay. So you're not gonna change your answer right now. I know my answer could so I took it as we approached it. It wasn't just a Mike driven initiative, but we approached it as okay, the ball's gonna stay the same the same number of people on the court and the boundary of the same. You know? So let's play this one play at a time. Like, we know how and then we had a contingency like we plan for what it was going to be like to have more family members at the game than any other family. And what's it going to be like to have more cameras, and we built in a plan for the family members? Right. And so we had a structure in our day. It was a wakeup food movement training. Rehab rehab and then nutrition and then games games at night. And then on off days every other off date. We'd have a fan some family time for hunting. And that was it. So we scheduled the tollway. So that's how we went out. Right. And but I want to tell you a funny story that work didn't work quite right? So anyways. So that's how traditionally approached it. But it is a funny story, wait hanging on the dog to tell you my story until you tell me. This this right promised to tell your story. I won't come back with. Yes. So we approached it. With a combined approach like that. But more to the side of treat it like, it's a circus and be prepared for the circus. Right. And have to your point have a plan in place for how to deal with the distractions because mind, you we had never in the ninety six Olympics. That was the first time women's soccer was ever admitted into the Olympics in within Atlanta. It was in the United States in. So choline hacker who played the role of Michael J race for our team. She's amazing. She said, listen, we're gonna come in with a plan. We're gonna come in and minimize any distraction. We don't want you worrying about where your parents are where they're sitting how they're getting to the game. Right. So she to the point where she sat the parents of the family down, which was the best thing she ever did free on their own basically said, if you if you have questions about this, you go to this person, if you have questions about this you go to this person if you have question. About this you go to this person. You never go to your child as we did the same thing. That's good job, doctor Dr. That's right. My parents at one point all of a sudden I heard him like whispering to each other. When we were having one of our family visits, and they're looking kind of nervous, and I was like what's going on? And they're like nothing nothing. What what is going on? So number collegiate vote we're supposed to talk to issues too. I was like oh my God. I started cracking up. Just tell me they're like the place where we're staying is being overrun by red and said we're in need. Again, Ford directly staying at our house where we train and I just started cracking up. But I said not my problem. That's right. Under the great distractions is family, and they mean, well, right. Like, totally me. Well, and it's like, hey, I lost my pass. And I don't want to bother you. But I'm not sure how to get in. Now. You know, it's like like, oh my God. Because on Suzy's never been to a game. And so she's not she didn't know she needed the past. Right. And you know, all of that. So it's play. It's the greatest playground for them in the biggest job, you know, opportunity for you. So you don't realize too. I think as an athlete going into the Olympics. Because obviously we had never been in one. The thing that blew me away is if you if you said if you were like boarding an airplane, for example, and we were with the national team in we're in our gear. Right. And they'd say, oh, you know, who are you guys in in the past? We would say over the US national soccer team. They like, oh, that's awesome. But if you said, we're the US Olympic soccer team there were. They'd sing the national anthem to you the whole plane would break out and standing ovation. There was this patriotism around the Olympics. And that were that I was like holy cow. Oh my gosh. That adds a lot of pressure is well because everyone wants a piece of that quick break to talk about her eight week, online course, where we pull back the curtain to show you how world class, athletes and performers train their mind in organiz their life. So that you can apply those same principles in your life. It's about flat out flourishing in life for us in. This course is about conditioning your mind to live in the present moment more often in that's the only place the only place where high-performance is expressed in wisdom revealed. And so the name of the course called finding your best one of our core values is that were anchored deeply in science in our staff both have been in the trenches on the world stage and have. Rich understanding of the application of solid signs. 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And if you go there you'll receive fifty dollars off the course so with that the Trump right back into our conversation back to the philosophy. We treat it like it's every other game in what we are trying to knock you late was that thought that just because we're in a different location that it's going to be that the mechanics of the game and the mechanics of the psychology of the person need to change and so philosophically like I really liked that approach in its union Tammy you're funny story, I'm betting they're like, it's not enough money. It's more, you know. Yeah. I know. I I am not as funny as you in February funny. Well, considering hanging up considering you, and I did a what was the piece we did like should there. Be a fourth metal. He would around your neck a big chunk of woods. Many really seriously. Like, that's gotta be the worst thing. You know? Is it worth winning? I think these was is it worse to win silver or four fourth. Would we agree on? I. Well, I definitely agree that there's no such thing as a fourth place. Yeah. Like you. And I both not her head to that. Ready? Not award mediocrity in this society, fourth in the world's go home. What what's that is awful? Yeah. But silver is brutal. You have you had a silver? I like to call white gold. Thanks, do you. Yeah. Does it still sting? No, it doesn't sting kills me in the world. Second in the there's how you how you lose. That's my theory. Right. If we had been being it was to Norway. I call them the Viking bitches after that game. Swear on your podcast you consume anything you want. That's pretty. Oh, yeah. Paul swearing up. A storm Paul Ramage, and he is legend. I listen to that one. That was recent that was a good one. The is how you lose. Right. If we had been beaten by the Viking bitches by six nil. I'd be like good on you. You know, you one is good. But we we kill them. We play one of the best finals over lives. And we ended up losing it. It's. So you want to call the game of soccer you played your best. But they played a better game. We played really well and had some shortcomings in different areas. They capitalized on those mistakes so navy. They had a few chances. They finish them in. We had seven hundred chances did not finish them. So it I mean, not soccer. But because of that it just it stays with you forever. Stay with you forever. Want to talk about that? But the NFL I think it's like six five or six plays determine, maybe even less determine the outcome. Yes. I six plays in a game in a game. Yes. So we play. I think there's like sixty snaps or something like that. And offense defense that you know, some combined number there, and I'm a little off on that math. But there's only a handful of plays that determine the game. Yeah. Meaning that if if you capitalize on those then you're putting yourself in a really good position better odds. Okay. So back to my story. I know you're not gonna let you know, like the hanging Chad just hang out the so we're at the games every everyone is switched on like the vibe is right. So collective mindset is right. The mission is clear systems are in place. Like, the whole thing is great. And we get to practice switched on fire. The whole thing is right, then we get to the tournament, and it's warm ups and we planned for. Okay. So listen if there's if there is extra adrenalin because you've looked. At the games as being something bigger and the strategy that we went into wasn't quite right. Okay. And you thought it was too big which by definition, by the way means that you feel small so we work for years the punch that thought in the mouth right is that why would you ever need to feel small? So we built from the inside out, you know, big time. So that people can stand on their own two feet in any environment. And so if if that does happen, you know, we've got a plan for it. So come back from a quick little huddle. In one of the gal says, I was great everything, you know, the crowd was filling up. Everything's perfect. And then I looked down. And I saw the rings underneath my feet. Volleyball? Olympic ranger everything changed, you know. I said, oh my so we're working on like an activation scale one to ten and you're trying to find a sweet spot of five. She says, I was at eleven I didn't know like, you know, the great thing about the investment, she had done in her internal, you know, her mindset and everything she was laughing about it. Like, she knew like in a good laugh. She was like, it was crazy all the sudden in two seconds. Just like we talked about bang my whole system was activated. My heart was pounding. And you know, what I knew I was at an eleven, but you only told me there was a scale to ten, you know, so. It was great. What do you bring? What do you do to bring it back down to a five? Oh, yeah. Well, the strategies are self talk, and breathing and those are the two basic strategies there and then to remind yourself about like zoom out and get the perspective. Like, it's one plate a time one game at a time that all that stuff. So. But even after her laugh was the big one. Yeah. That's good. That's so healthy. That was us. We had a team that just laughed our way through pressure. Wait, one quick funny story too. I'm gonna match your phone story with a funny story. See mine's not funny, though, it was just. Okay. Cute. A thank you for that. Very cute. So ninety six Olympics. Kaleen hacker always tells the story to this day. She will not tell me, which drives me nuts. I figure if I tell it enough. Finally, this person will leak it. She won't. She won't tell me who the player is. But we're warming up for the final like the Olympic final. We've just beaten those Viking bitches that I talked about in the semi-final because they'd be this year before in the World Cup. Very happy about that. Now, we're playing China in the final, and and so we are warming up. And she tells the story of how one of the key players starter on the national team catches Orion warm up and she was an I'm standing on the sidelines. You know, trying to you know, just be present. But, you know, play cool interested in this player looks at me, and she starts making a beeline to me. And she goes, you know, doesn't take a lot of knowledge to know that a key player making a beeline to the sport psychologists before the final is not a good thing. And so our mantra during the whole lympics had been if there's an issue park it. That's what that's what probably would always say like park it will deal with it later. It's not your problem. Right. Her party. So we were always like anything will come up park it park it. We'd make fun of it. You know, we're parking Coleen will park in it. We're not running out you it was like one of those. You know, you have permission to park it like, it's not your problem. Don't deal with it now deal with post-olympics. So this this woman comes over to Khalid Coleen goes as gone. He's like it is and this this and this, and she's all animated Kaleen says, you know, what I'm gonna tell you and the player goes you're gonna tell me to park it. Goalie. Goodness. I am in the player goes the parking lot is full. That's exactly how it feels though. Isn't it? What did you say? Fool. That's so good. She goes I said calmly will then go build another garage. That's great. That is rates started cracking up in Iran off, and we ended up winning the gold. So I guess Kelly folk Reddit. Okay. Not getting I give her a lot of credit because I mean, there's there's another handful of people that are part of the win. Okay. So I had a moment similar to that. Where I had somebody this is during the Super Bowl in on sidelines, and we have one of our stuff athletes running beeline. Same type of thing running up the sidelines helmet massive human being and it's a little bit different in my context, because I'm so embedded in the culture that it's not like, oh, there's the shrink, but you know, and so it's a little bit different that way, not the name everyone. Does know of course, the work we're doing, but it's it's really an integrated piece of work that being said running off the sidelines. Big is says tell me what to think. We hold on what I'm thinking to myself. What what is going on here? Like you want me to give you a thought. He was. Yeah. You said tell me what the thing tell me what the think like completely lost like the parking lot is full and tell me what the thing and I thought to myself. Wow. I I have really done a disservice. And so so we looked at each other. And he's like, no, I'm serious. Tell me what the think, and I do you have to figure that I can't give you thought like you have to figure that out. I said he says, okay, tell me give me a song. Then I said, well, what is your favorite song? So we're having this banter this is like during the Super Bowl about it. Like, it is funny where we go. You can't you cannot prepare for those. That is not what I wanted to hear Michael. On a tough song. I want something. Tell me I'm great. That's that's what he wanted just abandoned. Tell me. I'm great. Okay. So when is there a time when you have been over your skis when you look back, and you say, I was a mess, and you sorted it out whether it went well or didn't it doesn't matter. But like has there been a time when you said, oh my God. What have I got myself into? Ali. There has. Early could be could be sport or parenting could be anything. Parenting. I get that way a lot no sports with the early years of the national team. I you know, I was a I was very as I said self driven kid pretty confident. And as I think most elite athletes are they they are one of the better ones on their team throughout their career. So it's never like you're having to deal with like, I'm not getting playing time. You're one of the stars kind of coming through in so in when I got on the national team. I'm you know, now amongst a bunch of stars who were the best on their team in suddenly, and I'm young and suddenly on like what in the hell am I doing here? And now, I have all these self doubts. I have never experienced in my life before. And honestly like that took a good ten. I mean, I play for the national team for almost two decades took about half my time on the national team to feel like I belonged. In the first half of that was an unhealthy. I don't belong right. The second half was a healthy. Okay. I belong, but I'm Hungary still to get better. But the first half would snap me out of that going back to Coleen hacker is I sat down with her one day. And I said, and I'm not like one that like, you know, is comfortable bearing all in. I don't sit with therapists rate. I don't have a lot of issues. So I don't feel like I need to, you know, mentally, which is a great thing. I feel blessed for that. But I sat there, and I said, I I I don't like this. I I'm not used to this. These butterflies are driving me frigging crazy, and I'm going into games. And maybe there's a sponsor in the stands right or of a member of friend family member. And I'm and I'm thinking about that. And I'm wanting to perform for them, and I don't feel like I'm and I'm over thinking, and I wasn't. An analyzer in that way at all. And I don't like these butterflies in the first thing she said to me, which is one of the great lessons of my life. Is she said love the butterflies. I said, no, no, no, no. I do not love the butterflies. I hate the butterflies love the butterflies. It means you care. It means it matters. It's visceral you want this. And I'm like, okay, I get that. And she goes now just teach him to fly in formation. And I said, we'll do I do that sister. That's great. But I don't know how to do it that's part of the problem here in and she goes. And again, one of the great things, which is such a skill set that you don't know at a young age that you have she said, you know, you can only process one thought at a time in your brain. So you choose what it is. And I said, what should true fact, scientifically proven? There's only one thought that can go through your brain. You decide what it is. So if you're in the middle of the game, and you start to feel that anxiousness and you start to go in that downward spiral. I want you to physically do something to snap you out of it. So she was I see you have a hair ban on your wrist. And I still to this day. I wear them all the time. Just because I like to keep my hair up, but she goes snap that on your wrist as a physical reminder to snap you out of it. Mentally and get those that that nervous energy channeled information and it worked like in in. So I would find myself in the middle of Daham game. I'd be like snapping my wrist band like snap. On your fine. Let's go. Where would where would you go? It is it's re-. It's awareness first. And then the skill to come back to something more productive. Right. So where would you go? What were the thoughts that worked for you? And when you say out loud, the probably not gonna have half the juice that they have when you say to yourself internally. But what mechanically are those thoughts that you would say to yourself the negative thoughts? Eat known, I was going positive negative. Like, what are the folks that work for you? I want to hear that kind of stuff. And so the positive you're fine. You belong. You're gonna be fine. You're good enough. You know, it's kinda that you know, that Saturday night light Saturday that people like me. You don't smoke. Stuff. It's like gosh darn it. I mean, it was that kind of stuff of because I always went to, you know, God the downward spiral is God, you're too slow. You know, I was never a fast player. You're too slow. You don't your your touch today? Socks. What are you doing to help the team? I mean, those things that everyone goes through. And when you suddenly realize like no, you control that spiral. Do not let yourself go down there. It really was transformational thought I'd try and share that all the time with kids because everyone thinks they're alone in that. And it's like, no, you're that's very normal. You're going to be fine. Let's all some is what you just described like self talk. Right. So self talk is one of the more powerful skills in tools that we have. And it is programmable, you know, and it's just like software that runs the hardware and just like a computer over-simplification. But the software is like you can't run your laptop or whatever you use. If you know if you don't have great software, but who program your software, your mom, your dad, your aunt, Susie. You know, Muslim, fitness magazine, shape magazine. US soccer magazine, your coaches, your friends like God help us like it was patch. It's patchy in its buggy in it's not very sophisticated most of the time, and then were thrown out into some situations that have real stakes on the line. And then and then. What tests pressure tests the software, the hardware, really, usually solid, you know, that the brain works and the way that the body responds to the environment is usually pretty solid, but the software is completely programmable which takes as an adult real work to reprogram to know where those holes in pouches and bugs are and then to do the kind of role this leaves work to reprogram. So it sounds like you learned a lot of that stuff through sport. I did. Absolutely. Which is why I think it's one of the greatest gifts, you you think one of the great gifts L. Yeah. What about people that don't what about people that? Don't play sports. How do you help them? What would you imagine? How would you support your kids whatever that don't sport? Well, I mean, it's one of the reasons why been such an advocate for girls playing sports for sure for so many years in for title nine and four women getting active because I feel like this is a gift that men have been experienced for a lot of years because you you take those high pressure situations in you, use those in life note. No question. I mean, I can walk into a room full of thousands of people to give speech, and I enjoy it. It's not even a nervous feeling anymore. It's like, oh, this is awesome. This is great. And that comes from playing, right? So. So it's it's one in in so many ways in what I do. Now is a journalist in what I do with my parenting. I mean, I I look back on all these lessons. I've gleaned from from playing for those who don't play sports, I say, good luck to you. I. It's. Good luck. You have built your whole life around competitiveness. Are you are you intellectually competitive as well, obviously, you're highly physically competitive or intellectually competitive. How does that manifest itself? What would you describe as intellectually competitive, somebody says something that you think is kinda stupid? Do you keep do you just not like that was stupid or do you look at them? Like, how can you say that like we're gonna talk about that? And you're going to try to compete to figure out like why you know, I think I probably fall in the middle of that spectrum. Obviously depends on what the situation is. Are you in a situation where you could say, no, that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard of Shannon. Or do you have to kind of just like as we do on TV? Sometimes we not, okay. Did they just say that? I think I'm intellectually curious. Are you more interested in what you don't know? Or what you do? No and doubt. Now, people said I knew you're going to say that just knowing energy known like how you input people say that. But then when backed into a corner stress often comes or pressure often comes from what we think other people are gonna think about us, if we can't do or think properly now, if if we flip it on its head though, and we're like, listen, I want the I know some stuff, but there's way more I don't know. And I want to learn I wanted I want to figure that out. What people there's incredible freedom by being beginner. That's the freedom. I've come to in. I would say probably starting in my late thirties were and I think it's a talk about this all the time with my kids. It's like this gift of I don't I don't really care what people think about me anymore in obviously, you want them to respect you. But there is a freedom of expression of thought of getting out of your comfort zone that in the past you start going, wait, second guessing, everything or maybe I'm not saying this right way. Or maybe this opinion, isn't a well-formulated. I don't do that anymore with stuff. In. I I love that. Now, it's not a complete disregard. And I'll just say whatever I want to say, but like, I don't I I'm not consumed as so many people are in being interesting. I'm much more consumed with being interested. So you have figured out that freedom where you decoupled what you do from who you are. And then what you do if you're exploring what you don't know. Sounds like you've got some freedom there. I think that's why it went so hard for obviously as you live so many athletes to walk away from it. Right. Yeah. How did you are yellow Mark? It's like well. Yeah. That's right. And it's even more complicated in young talent in this. This is for academics arts sport as well. But when people are talented young age their identity fuses what they do. And so to rip that apart feels like a, you know, it's supposed to be somewhat eloquent as stages of life progress. But when there's this Meiring infusion at an early age, it's really hard. How did how did you do it? Well, I I never identified is only soccer, and I credit my parents for that. Right. If you grow up in a family where as we see nowadays right in the modern family, and parents they're hovering in this is this is more about the parent than it is the kid, and so all the pressure could feels or they're specializing in one sport in early age. So all your eggs in one basket. And so told me you're not a Finnish specialization, not at all. I hate it. Whereas parents doing it because they want that scholarship or they want to chase that elite athlete in. It's like the complete opposite of what will get you there. I think how Madonna friends that played on the team or that you played with or crazy, parents none. The the sport. Right. Like the wall. You realize how frigging hard it is to do this thing. And how long you have to do it any sense of mastery? It crazy parent is the parent who didn't play an I level in who wanted for their kids. So you're living it through the parent. My parents did not give a rat's has about my soccer never came to games. I mean, my mom didn't even know. Like what position I play? So it was never about them. And they didn't identify nor did I that soccer was my life. It was a piece of my life that I loved and cherish. But I was so much more curious in mean by the end of my career if it wasn't an Olympic game. This is terrible to say. But it's the truth for wasn't an Olympic Games or World Cup game. Where everything was on the line in everything that was mattered. I was like. Can we please do something with interest here? This is this is yawn fest. And that's a terrible. So okay. Like, I gotta get out. I gotta do something else that's challenging his hub that work with your early idea that you had that I'll put a label on a handle on imposter syndrome. Like, do I fit to matters belong? They're going to find out. I don't know what I'm doing like how did that? How did those two ideas match? Well, that was my early years. I mean, this is the beauty of having a twenty year career with national team, right? Hey is a you grow in who you are. But you also you you start to become addicted to that high pressure. In an Olympics were everything matters like or in a World Cup were everything matters. And I want those games I want that feeling. I don't wanna friendly against Mexico. That means nothing, and yes, it's important to my training into the process, and I get that. Right. But I want the adrenalin that's racing through my veins that I'm not getting now by just playing on the United States for friendly. And that sounds terrible. But I think when you were added as long as we were like, I want it to be for all or nothing. That's what I that's what I live for at the end. So that is a philosophy for life. Let's say if you could pull out of that and dampen the adrenaline just a little bit, right? But you could pull out of that. And have that great intensity for every moment of your life? And now being in some ways, I'm being idealistic. But in other ways, maybe not so what if you could have that way of living, and that became a model for you like the that everything matters every word that you choose every thought that you have every interaction that you change what if that became a way of living in you might say, Mike, I feel like I actually live that way. When that would not be helping not how you're living. Okay. So could you imagine that why would that not be healthy for me that feels super inspiring? I think it would be. I think it would be a adrenaline rush akin to, you know, drugs probably, but as we know, but I'm talking about dampen the adrenaline where you don't have that drunk. But you're you're switched on yet. Like, so it's not that kind of wide. I think, but right is a defacing like, it matters everything you do that you do matter. That to me actually is mastery. Ooh, keep going. Yeah. Because. I mean, I think people often define a master is someone who's found success? And I think that's the wrong definition. I take more stock in significance rather than success in. It's one of the things that I continue to strive for. I don't want to be someone that is just successful. I want to be someone that's significant. That's done something that matters. Right. It's the eternal in internal struggle. I have with is what I'm doing good enough right now. Like, I'm making a great living. I love my work at ESPN. I've been able to do all these different things. But like in the grand scheme of things is it mattering like am. I making a difference in a significant way where I'm helping humanity or I'm helping the world in a way, and that to me the people who are significant in whatever the craft is not successful. But significant that to me is mastery. Based on what other people think of that person? Or it's some sort of how no you're not saying that all it's something that they're leaving behind a grant grain. Thank you. You're doing something. That's. And it sounds like I'm running for Miss America so policies, but you know, like, you're doing something that's making this world a better place. Right. You're you're making it better for the next generation your creating something that's going to help people your. Creating more tolerance, you're leaving kindness. Whatever it is. It doesn't have to be, you know, it's one of the things we talk about so much our leadership academy with young girls that that leadership isn't positional. It's personal. And that as simple as extending help to someone in need that's leadership to me. Right. And we get stuck in the thought of it being success at being positional at being a title being what your business card says CEO, president politician? And I I call bullshit on all that. Right. It's it's about what you're doing. It's not who you know, what your title says. I love it. You know, what happens for athletes is that it gets tricky. They want to athletes want to lead. But if they're not the most talented, the mute themselves, and because oftentimes the most talented get the the biggest voice. Because we look up to and that doesn't mean though that they should by any means be leading other people. Have you seen those athletes? Chest is the middle of the huddle. I was that up late. No, I I think to your point this was to your point about positional. Yeah. But I mean like in terms of athletes who don't feel like they can not leading right? Yes. I I love to take that athlete in say, but you can. And here's how in you shine a light on people like me, a ham, for example, who is one of the quietest and most giving and kinda fleets. I know who was thrust into this spotlight of being or superstar when it's the last thing she wanted, you know, how many athletes do we know that go. Yes, give me that I want that attention meal was like hell, no, I do not want that. I'm not comfortable accepting awards. I'm not comfortable speaking in front of people. And yet she was the most unselfish giving player that always cared about. The team I in so her leadership when I tell kids all the time is her leadership was very different. It was very personal. It was you know, walking off the field with her with their hand around a player talking to them one on one or at halftime, or she's not the one that's going to be giving the fire up speech, but you don't need twenty players giving that fire of speech, right? The beauty of leadership is that you can do it in so many different ways in her cerebral thoughtful private way with such a huge lesson for me who was nicknamed laude Foudy of. Oh, okay. Maybe I should shut up once wile and just listen. Okay. So when you're talking about impact, I wanna flip back to your other conversation. Are you looking for impact deep with few or a little bit more shallow across many when you think about your life efforts in that shallow doesn't mean that you know, like everybody has read my book across the planet so to speak or like really deep with handfuls. I had never thought about it. In that way. I mean, I am for sure on the track of a probably more deep with few. And I think it's good that I've never thought about it. I'm just now talking loud. But I think it's good that. I haven't thought about like, oh, I need to be impacting millions of people. My feeling has always been in. What we we've run these leadership academies for the last decade and a half almost when I retired. I thought gosh, we should be giving kids the gift of sport, of course, in teaching them to be better athletes. But really the gift of sports is in all these other things we've talked about right in this confidence in this foundation for who you are getting out of your comfort zone and taking risk. And all these things that for young women are sometimes hard to do. So I'm going to focus on young women, and I'm going to try and pass on those nuggets of wisdom. And so one of the things we always talk about with them is that it doesn't have to be you changing the world overnight, right? And not to get cliche spread. It's like that you drop that pebble in a pond, right? And that ripple just grows in if you start with a small ring, and you start in the middle of that bullseye. And then the ring starts to broaden. And now you're into your your team and your impacting your team, not just yourself. Now, you're impacting your school in your hallways in how you act at school. And then you start impacting your community in eventually that ring goes out in that ripple goes out, and you're impacting so many people in your life. So. I think small steps are what lead us to. Actually, a better life. My god. I feel like I am running for Miss America. Cheeser shoes. I know that's very Confucius of you as well. Amid the principles of Confucianism. Look at you. Deep day thoughts. Calling myself chewy Confucius. Where do you get confused like what really what do you? What do you? What do you struggle with? Or do. I get confused. What do I struggle with? And. Again. Let's see. I don't mean to get religious on you. But you may have to take this whole sake out. No, no. I mean, it's one of the more the most influential people in the world have been spiritual leaders. I mean, if you think about the two billion people that said Jesus got it. Right. That's two billion people that are Christians. And so the it is one of the most powerful thinking patterns in structures in the world, whether it's Islam confusion Buddha. At like it. It is governing. Our thinking patterns globally. Well, and I was raised Catholic. Right CCD did not go to Catholic school. But every Sunday might have been the donuts they were giving away as well that lured me in. But, you know, a very strong Catholic Irish Catholic family, my parents to this day every Sunday their church or more end. None of the four of us kids turned out to be strong Catholics. And I look back on that. And it's something I still struggle with because I was raised very spiritual, and I'm very thankful for that. Because I feel like it instilled in me this underlying principle of just be good to people, right? Don't judge Linda hand all of these principles all these commandments? In what I struggle with in the second half of my life is one Catholicism in some of the issues, the Catholic churches has gone through I struggle with into honestly, and this is not a red or blue thing or a political thing. But I feel like in this country in this time the very religious principles. I was born in raised to believe to be certainties. Right. What I just said become extend a hand if feel like those are being thrown out the window by many churches in this country for various reasons, whether it's they want more conservative judges, they're pro-life anti-abortion. But how do we reconcile that? We're throwing out all these other things. Like what about the other ten commandments like be kind to your neighbor? Extend a hand don't judge. Right. Why are why did we lose sight of all of that kindness to put all our eggs in one basket. And that I struggle with mightily to the point where I say to my parents, I you know, I'm sorry. But I I I don't get it. You know, I don't get that. This is. What I view religion nowadays is this hypocrisy that and it's not obviously across the board. But it's it's happening on a larger scale in so many different areas. Religion is struggling mightily. The Christian community is struggling. And so we're seeing like, you know, how I think about the sexual misconduct and the abuse took place there is that if that was any other institution, and I was raised in the Catholic church was well, if that was any other institution a hospital setting a government wing a university setting. It would be disband. It would not be tolerated. You can't do that Anna Kaman level at a legal level. Of course, you can't it would be dismantled. I'd for years and years and still to this day. And that's that's hard young. I don't I don't know. How to reconcile that by any means? And so. Like, I'm I'm confused as well. Like, what to do about spiritual practices for for my son? Right. Because it was it is such a foundation in our family. And However, I question everything at this point about the lessons the stories the teachings the methods, and I went to a loyal Marymount, which was a Jesuit school allier in college. Yeah. As you well know, and so like, they'll felt beach like the Jesuits gnarly like they are incredibly tough humans intellectually in. So I I came out of the oil Marymount university. I was like oh fish on front. What are we doing? Just eating is it because someone owned the some Bishop on the wharf is that what we're doing is that we're that law came from. And so like it really when you really dig it gets very confusing. So I'm I'm confused. There's so many good things to religion. Right. I mean, so find you. They've started many wars. On principle me, and I was I just spent time in the Middle East in for a spa Special Olympics coverage in Abu Dhabi, and I mean, some of the kindest nicest people that study a completely different faith right Islam than what I'm familiar within the United States, but there's a commonality of kindness. And at all these things we learn about religion that I feel like gets lost today in so much of what we do. Like why why can't we strip it down to that? And realize we're all much more like than we are different than so anyways, I could go on forever on that. But that that's when you this recent struggle. So that's why it's top of mind apologies. Take a turn like that. With this one. I think you're speaking for many, right? This is a conversation with many families right raised one way when this generate our generation is watching the dismantling of a spiritual foundation in practice that has been around for thousands of years. So it is it's crazy. So it's a tough time for that soccer. No. I appreciate that. The. Where do we go from here? Okay. I've got questions for as I've had this whole time with you. I love your energy. I think you've got incredible fun energetic. Your switched on like. No, it's it's always been that way. So how do you create that zest in zeal like what do you do to recover properly to really flourish in the way that you do end like unsleeping, right? The like a study like what I three great. Do you like hours I'm gonna? I am. I'm not a Napa at all. Never have been. But I need what I usually get about seven to eight I much prefer eight find like I'm a much healthier human being eight seven the half fuels wrote to me. Yeah, I'm great at eight. I in more often getting about seven and a half button the kids help with that. Right. When they go to bed at eight thirty nine I'm like, I'm out. I'm with you. Let's go. Good. Okay. So you get your you compete to get your sleeping. Yeah. I. I in college was much more late night late morning now I'm like early to bed early to rise. I love that like our solitude before anyone rises, and I can just lock in on whatever I want to work usually before you give them to couple of tactics asleep is big wanna get a couple more. How do you think about flourishing like I see your energy like you are flourishing in? So when you think about that concept, what comes up? Hm? I don't it's not a conscious thing. It's a. I I seek adventures in other people that love to find the fun and things it's how I always have been. I'm super grateful. What I've realized in. Might second-half remind life is that I'm very mentally healthy. Which is not always the case of a lot of people. Right. And and so I've had friends who struggle with depression or darker thoughts or and it's not by anything that they've done necessarily is just their brain is wired that way in and so I'm really grateful. I wake up every day grateful like I I wake up when I go. I mean, look at my life like a, you know, a great climate in southern California. We have great house or kids are healthy. Like, I love what I do. I've been able to merge work with play in it all kind of seems the same like work doesn't seem like work in. And I'm conscious of that like that's a very conscious thought like Tam, I'm lucky, and maybe that's part of it is just gratitude right in recognizing science. Gratitude is ridiculous allocates so strong. And you know, what's cool about gratitude. Is that you we can practice it? So it sounds like you're practicing it every day. Just like you practice, you know, top balls or whatever and put them in the corner. Whatever you're doing on the field like same same thing with gratitude and mental all mental skills are trainable. And gratitude certainly is one of them in one of the simple, easy mechanical practices is at the end of the day just anchor three things that you're grateful for you know, that simple little thing if you can share with another person, it's amplified if you can write it down more. I think that was Cheryl Sandberg thing. She write down on a piece of paper three. Thanks show is great before the end of the day. It will it's coming from good research at the end, you know, at a. So it's good good solid science around as well. But. Sorry. It's natural for you, though. Yeah. Yes. It is natural. And I'm super grateful for that. I've learned from today for for being grateful. A cut you off. No, I I the I've learned that in, you know, as I've gotten older that that's not, you know, the norm for all people and. For for my kids. We have this great thing we do at the end of the day. It's something we added to to my new podcast was the high low cheer in. This was shared to me through a friend. And it's a good reflection tool as well. We ask them when we said at the dinner table, we are sitting around the dinner table, which obviously doesn't happen every night. But which are high low cheer of the day high of your day, your low of your day, which is a great opportunity to talk about that share it, and then you're cheer for someone else, which I love, right? It's not just about you. You're recognizing someone doing something. Nice for you. When you're giving them credit, and it's a it's a really good one. You can seal morning McNair, my friend. She shared it. Good. You said Marty mcmanis Marnie monitoring morning holiday cheer. So we do something similar high and low with we do three highs one low. And then I said, hey, how do you? How do you wanna do it? You know, do you want to add to it? He goes. Yes. He goes. I want to know what your favorite Pok Mon is. Of course. So that that's part of it now so high though Pokemon, and then I said, well, if you're going to pick one pick one he says, okay, I would I said a place a time that you demonstrated courage today. He goes, okay. So we talked about courage every day. We talk about him on everyday highs and lows in London. Then I said, I know in that a good one. And then he goes he goes on. He goes, okay. Get one more like a what is it? He goes. Well, I've told I've been told by my teacher that I do math every day. So I wanna know how you do math every day. And so he wasn't really believing that math happens every day. And so I said, okay. So it's easy. Like, I write a tip, you know, like so much always the same. You know? But it's like it's so we've got this little thing at night, and it's really like super preciado. It's ten ten and a half almost alone. Isn't that the great safety minor ten and twelve it's like such a great age. I tried to add to my high low cheer because I was rereading mindset by Carol dick, of course, which is one of the all-time great books and. I was trying to impress on them the importance of failure. Right your life. So it was like, okay. From your own we're doing high low cheer fail. What did you fail at today kids, and they were like what do we fail? No. I I mean in fairness for the theory. I hear it all the time fail fast fail Ford fail fell fell. Phil. I don't wanna feel okay. I want to make mistakes and learn quickly. So the failure thing I reorganized failure. I'd love to run it by you. You did I rearranged the yes. So failure is not the thing doesn't go. According to plan, but failure is the inability or the unwillingness to go for. Oh, okay. So a lack of action. Inability or unwillingness like I didn't have the skill to go for it because you're gonna die if he did or and that's some environments, and but for most of its it's the unwillingness. It's like I didn't I didn't have what it took to really settle in into really be about it. So I held back. I played it safe in small, and I rattled I- internally rattled, and even if I get the score I like, even so your earlier point in the conversation, like there's certain ways that you lose when I feel like I don't know if you agree. But if if you lose in a way where you held your dignity in your ripped it, and it was all about it. And they just happened to be better way easier to swallow right than like, oh my God. Like, I held back or we didn't solve this thing that we knew was an issue on this system. Those those are the things that give me crazy. So that then puts it back on me in puts it back on the folks, I work with like the redefine failure. Like, it's not about not getting the outcome. It's about the inability unwillingness to let it rip. So you're not so outcome focus, which is a healthy thing as well. Do you agree with the outcome focusing? Yeah. For sure. Yeah. I I was. Interviewing Michaela Schifrin last week. She said something this. I mean, here's a woman who just turned twenty three. She said something that was so spot on to me 'cause she is considered at twenty three to already be one of the greatest skiers of all time. And if she continues in the trajectory, she was she is she will have broken every record in two years. Right. That exists out there at twenty five in or were to be consistently. Great with so many variables is unheard of face consistently. Great. But I said, well, how do you? How do you handle all those expectations? Right. And she said, I learned. That it's not the expectations. I need to be consumed in right? I have to set my goals. I'm gonna have my goals. But if I'm constantly trying to set my goals, according to expectations, I'm always gonna fail because those are someone else's expectations. And it was such a great answer where it's like, yes. What happens is people then don't have expectations because they don't wanna fail. So they they start dropping down with their goal is saying no, you can't do that. I'm going to still have my goal that. I'm not gonna worry about the expectations around that goal cause I'm not focused on outcome. I'm focused on the process. I was like damn sister. Did you learn that already? Michael UV like. I watched which done on Mike while she is special, and, you know, with downhill it is literally razor's edge margins. And when they put it on edge like things can go wrong quickly. And you only get one shot at it. You've got to do all of this mental imagery. I mean, it's it's a RAD sport air. She say there are there is no fair at the top of that. Now net your Stargate, they are lying. If you have to have fair because it's self-preservation good for her its survival. So yeah, I you have to have respect for that mountain. This generation of athletes are so much more connected to the psychological principals in applications. Why I don't know because I think the science is advanced enough then I mean, there's still much more to go. But enough where people can put their arms around how to train the mind where when I was growing up. It was not part of the conversation. It was like focus will win with. What do you mean? Focus on. What like I am. I'm here like so now, we know how to train it. So there's a science those actual handles to the to the tools that we can use in. It's still rudimentary in many ways because we don't know type of training for type of person. And so that's where the art is coming in. But there's so much more advanced now, I I mean, it's almost feels like a throwaway comment where people are saying. Oh, yeah. Meditate? Eating now right road, the mindfulness of it. Yeah. We never when we first were introduced before Coleen. We had a someone who else came came to work with the team. He was introduced as a sports psychologist, and we were like what is this? Why do we need this nowadays right site? If you don't have someone that you're working with on the mental skill side of things, and what's wrong with you will people like you and Mia in people that have raised their hand to say. Yeah, the mental like what do you mean that you're not trying to get better? Mentally, like, you know, whether you're already skilled at it. They're still room to grow. And but some people are like they struggle with it. And that doesn't mean your mind is broken or struggles that just means you haven't had the proper training and conditioning right now. Okay. Perception of it is wrong guest. Oh that's for. Sure. Okay. So when was the last time that you witnessed mastery? Besides my interviewing process. Oh. Oh, damn last time. I witnessed mastery is it rare. Or is this a memory issue? I do have a lot of senior moments. You know, I I work with a lot of talented people in television. And when you see. People like I'll give you an example. I'm Mike tirico, right? For example, Mike tirico, who's a dear friend can do every sport out there. And he can host a show he can do play by play. He can do highlights. He can do features. I mean, he can do anything in the business and do it. Well, you stop. And when you're working side-by-side, I've covered World Cups with them. Now, of course, host the Olympics for NBC. We lost his fan to NBC at end, but covered, you know soccer with him and European championships in when you're watching that you're like it's effortless. And I know it's not but looks effortless. And they do it at such a level that you you just go, okay? About to you with that. And maybe I'm. Cognizant of that right now. Because it's something that, you know, I'm sick of with, you know, trying new things or doing new things in television. And when you see someone do it with, you know, so well with seemingly so little effort, you goes while you just like wanna slow clap form. Michael, you're doing. Yeah. You're doing it. Okay. What are you craving in your life at the seat of suffering is the crave? The, you know, like, what is it that you're craving, and you might say nothing, but I don't believe, you know, most people do have even. I think I go back to my struggle of m I doing enough to be significant, right? Like that form of mastery. That matter so much to may is what I'm doing meaningful, my helping people and changing anything. And so I think that's a constant internal struggle in something I crave in a healthy way. But I think the. The the great reminder in life in perspective when you start to crave is kids, honestly, our kids. I mean, I have two kids that are ten and twelve and I think if I didn't have kids that craving for what's next. What can I get in? I think I'm wire that way, right? Would be insatiable. And with kids you have this healthy perspective of drop. It back be present. Don't be consumed in other things and be president them. And I realized too like I only have so much time with them here before I lose them to the world's in a good way. So they are really it's really good for me to be like, no, I want to be here. I was supposed to do shoot. Last friday. I had to cancel this whole big shoot. Because I was like. I promised my kid. I would be on the field trip. I am going to be there. And I love that. I love being present with them. So that balance is something I crave as well. And I love that craving or you looking for balance. Yeah. Balance between what I heard Paul talking about that last week that he doesn't believe in the under the Jeff phases talking about the work life balance because you know, we're all wired to work. But I didn't even notice this when I was playing I I love soccer. And I. Was incredibly competitive would be out. There juggling all the time in working on my own. Didn't take a parent to get me out there. You know, all these stories you hear a about other athletes. I I did it on my own that was self through. But I also realized when I got older in college in onward like I needed more balance if I was immersed in soccer twenty four seven I was miserable. Like that did not make me happy in mentally I needed to be immersed in more intellectually curious things. And so I love myself to do that to the point of people would say, my husband did who was a coach he would say, you could have spent more time watching film analyzing. I said I could have. And I think I probably would have been a better player. But would I've been a happy player if I'm not happy in my being successful in. So it was this trade off that I have to this day. Like, I need balance in my like, I I love I'm a very communal person. I love time with my mom's and my friends, and I wanna be paddle boarding in. In the sunshine and out walking in the hills, or whatever it is. And so I've recognized that if I'm grinding twenty four seven I'm not happy, and that balance is not healthy. On the notice there, a Fraser word that cuts to the center of you know, who you are. In. Telling how is their phrase that guide your life. Like, do you have a phrase or word or a philosophy that guide your life? I phrase guides my life because I'm what I'm wondering. If it's like, the the is, you know, the early stuff from spirit, which is like do good from spiritual and religious stuff. Or is it something more about balance or being whatever whatever like a phrase that we use at our leadership academies that I thought because it is a phrase that kind of guides my life. It's choose to matter the one the thought that it's your choice. You decide your your path your attitude? Your approach to every day you wake up with that choice. Right. That's a huge one. For me in the second one is to matter significance. So not success. Not number of followers. Right. Not millions of dollars in the bay. Think it's what are you doing that matters? So I think that would probably be. Something that. But I mean, I hope one day when I go sliding into my two with my Margarita in hand. She mattered. She mattered. She just didn't straight the wine. She made the wine crush, the grapes, July it, I'm sorry. No. But you are legend I want to thank you seriously. Thank you for the energy. Thank you time. Thank you for like the interview we did five years ago at the Olympics. Like, thank you for like so much. And then if there was one question that you're going to sit down and ask a legend, a true master of crap. What would that question be? Where does the fire come from? There's always a fire. Right. There's this fury. Katie la- decade who I'm sitting down to interview for the podcast on. On Wednesday tomorrow, actually, her coaches, describe it as this stove burning. Hot this fury inside her this intensity that they have no idea they said, she's swimming as if it's for rent in for her food. In every practice like that fascinates me. What is that fire? Where does it come from? That's awesome. And then you did you were you able to articulate that? I know we talked about that earlier. But like you said you came from a very humble stable upbringing where did the fire come from for you? And I couldn't articulate it. I don't know. Honestly, I think it's you know, I I do feel like competitiveness can be fostered. But I also feel that it is innate in a large sense as well. Like, I just have always been like that. I do think I will say one thing I think it helped in that. It was me. Like, I said it wasn't my parents. It wasn't my parents saying you should do this. It was me saying I wanna do this. And and they allowed a world where that was. Okay. Was never. Hey, Honey, that's unladylike or you shouldn't be thinking that way or you shouldn't be coming home covered in mud from playing tackle football. There was no. There was no gender bias to competitiveness. It wasn't like that's a male thing. Women shouldn't have it was like. Yeah. Great. Just be home dinner. Working. We're if there's folks that have young girls that wanna get your camp where can they find that? And Julie Foudy leadership dot com. That's good. That's simple. Okay. And then what's the name of the podcast? It's called laughter. Permitted. Yes. It is for you. Isn't it? Do you like that? Love anything it flat out fits for you. Yeah. Yeah. We have we have a lot of fun. I mean, we we'd we try in dive deep in to who these people are. It is another reason I we started that is we just largely right now. Of course, we will allow men in someday, Michael you will hopefully be my first does mailed token, John podcast. Right now, we're focused on women and intentionally because I just don't feel like people know their stories while enough your dear friend Carey Walsh. Jennings. Was kind enough to be one of my first Guinea pigs and did a test pot with us which convinced ESPN to do this. And it has been so much fun. But these women are just RAD amazing, humans and know their stories. So that's what we're trying to do is just share who they are in a fun way. Okay. In the work can folks. Follow your laughter. Your vibe your intellect. Your brilliant genius. All that good stuff. We're gonna follow you. Yes. Less you. I'm long. We're gonna fall. Social, whereas like Twitter, we're at Julie Foudy what really Instagram I'm not a big social media person. I'm trying to get better at that. But feel like it's a lot of energy that I don't wanna spend. Julie. All right. Michael mortar came in. You were doing such great stuff. It was an honor to be one of the people on your now two hundred plus episodes, do it may you get your seven and a half hours asleep. Juliette? Mike. Okay. Bye.

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USWNT's Reserves the 2nd Best Team in the World?

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USWNT's Reserves the 2nd Best Team in the World?

"This show is presented by Hulu, which has live sports, watch live games, and all your favorite teams live on Hulu. No cable required. Live TV plan is required. Restrictions apply. Welcome into episode thirteen of ESPN AFC special coverage of the two thousand nine hundred nine women's World Cup in France, alongside hate Mark who is not only a World Cup champion and Olympic champion, but also an NCAA champion and the club chimpanzee club champion direct soccer champion just kidding. You won back in nineteen ninety-five with the university of Notre Dame, I'm Sebastian Salazar Kato. What would a day at this World Cup beat without another VR penalty retake controversy. Oh the joy the the true joy we just finished watching Scotland and Argentina wild game. We'll get to that just in a little bit. Because right now, online, joining us live from France, Julie Foudy, matchday, minus one USA in Sweden about to finish out group f play in the haver first things first Julie, give me your best. Bob Lee sense of place. What is it like there in Kavre? First things. I, I don't have a national championship. Oh, the cardinal didn't get you national championship has been holding onto that one for a while. I, I had forgotten that Kate one with the mighty Plati fighting Irish. Evac day. That's exactly what her because it wasn't talent that gotta that win. I'll tell you that, but total titles, so they have to total that I was a part of or total in general. We have three. Three. Oh, sorry. Okay. The sense. What was your question? Sorry I got. You guys were like college each other right now. Yes, she wanted Notre Dame. Feathered. I forget that just want to. To get a sense of what it's like there in Harvard, just what the cities, I just got on the northern coast of France. Oh, what are you seeing? What are you experiencing where actually not in the hall is they say, we are about forty minutes away and right next to a cute little beach town called Deauville, and Deauville is known as we Hamptons of France. And I didn't quite understand what that meant until I went biking around yesterday, and I swear to God, I am working over here, but I was biking on the boardwalk and there are castles literally all along the beach like Hughes, old gothic mansions, and they're all boarded up. I was like, does anyone live here boarded up, meaning just like clothes for the for the week. But apparently, they'll come out on the weekends from Paris, and this place goes crazy the week, but it's gorgeous, so we're not in the house, which is more of like a port city. So I'm kinda glad that we're not there. I didn't know that France, a city that's not beautiful. But apparently, there is one and call her. What about the team itself? A how are they doing? I know you've been talking to players that I saw an interview that you did with crystal Don on sportscenter yesterday. What's the sense of this around this team as they kind of kick off the tournament for real it feels like those first two games were just another warm gains? Does do you get the sense that, that the players are also kind of taken things up another notch now? Yeah. And I don't get the sense, which I'm happy about that. They're overconfident from this two games. I mean, I think they realize, like, listen, we knew those two games would not necessarily test us, we're not coming in with a bunch of overconfidence thinking 'cause we put in sixteen goals that were all that, and they also still want to clearly make statement, it's not about avoiding France. It's about making a statement that this team is different than the one that lost to Sweden in two thousand sixteen and that this team isn't afraid of France. So when I asked crystal done and Abby. Del Kemper and said, I'll be one back. That was a slip Abby, doll Kemper. You know what the, the mindset in approaches? They're like, come on. You know, we're going for it. I'm like, I know but I have to ask, so there. Yeah. And I think just get a sense this team wants to on many different fronts. The lawsuit one of them wants to make a statement in this tournament. I I'm guessing Kate would agree with that. When you say that it makes me feel like they're making statements about their statements if that makes sense like their performances and then they have statements, I think I, I had no problem with the celebrations. I mean I, I was like, Ooh, I don't know if I would do that. But fine. I the only comment that actually has made me be like, oh, like, I, I'm always very sensitive to giving motivation to other teams because that could be that little bit of difference. Yes. You should be motivated play in a World Cup. But sometimes your nerves get the best of you, and even. If you're like, you know a top athlete in there's always that one game where you're not one hundred percent there. Whether you like it or not, like, I don't know how you felt but I always felt there is at least one game where I just couldn't be the player I needed to be a mental. I couldn't get myself in that space unless something happened in the game that was able to pull me out into the correct zone or I saw something that motivated me enough to get over my nerves and the one thing that got me was, we don't just have the best eleven. We have the second best eleven. That has been the only comment that I'm like, yes, I like, I don't know. How do you feel about that one? That one was only one that made me uncomfortable out of all the statements being said for that motivational reason, because now you're basically saying we're not only our best starting eleven better than all of you. We're actually our next eleven are better than all of you in a big statement. I also to with that one was like, wow. That's a good one. I never been sought out, but I totally get what you're saying. I actually more comfortable with the sideline choreographed dancing at Goldman thirteen or twelve. Whatever one it was. That was the one that I was like, oh, that stuff comes back to bite. You karma. I, I think about more way crawling along the ground in the pede. When we lost them in the semi finals of World Cup like around our. Team. And I mean we thought about it every day for twenty years, you still. I don't get angry when I'm thinking about it. And I mean, it wasn't that to Thailand to that level, of course. But those moments were teams watching going, okay. You think you're all that. And then some and I'm gonna show you you're not. I agree with you, like it's just adding fodder. Another thing I, you know, in the New Zealand dolls comments sorry sub like Nicey Lindahl playing in the media as well as well as their coach. The coach says, you know this isn't really a national team. I don't know if you saw this out. He said it isn't really a national team. It's really a club team and they all know their roles because they're always together so much more than most national teams are obviously. That's a hint to the funding difference right the resources, right? And then you get Lindahl the goalkeeper number two at Chelsea is leaving Chelsea because of injury. She lost her starting. They need her to come up being in this World Cup to make any sort of run. That Thailand goal was a great goal. But I kind of wondering why she wasn't so far? She should have been more on a near post. But she said, you know, of course, they think about it. She started had some biting words back. It's like we hear them talking about the seven games. We hear them talking about that it seems like they're looking past us, and I was like this is so interesting like that never in the history that I can recall. And maybe tell me if I'm wrong Joel's, because you're more in the media side, a more like calling games, new usually more. The interaction one. Is there ever a time where you member that some of the games are being fought on the media before the actual game from the United States, and with another country, I don't remember that being ever present before no no indefinitely? Not sweet. I feel like yeah there's been a couple. I've I've heard Erickson had something saying about. They were you know they were better and bigger games. Assani had something saying they were faster another reporter mentioned. Yeah. So I would like, oh, this is getting saucy. I let. And and Lindell in the presser today said. Yes, I've read that article about how that they were losing to us and how many changes they've made and how much better they are. But then she did to your point added in, but they are looking at seven games. They keep talking about. So I think they're overlooking us. I was like, oh, I got that little job. I kinda like it. Yes. This is good. Guys, I want to give Ali Krieger. Can I please? No. I wanna get I wanna get both of your opinions on it, the, the direct quotas. We have the best team in the world and the second best team in the world, Julie, do you actually believe that the US also has the second best team in the world to me? I find that quote to be overconfident and inaccurate. I don't think the US reserves the second best team in the world. The US is good. They're not that good. Are they? I, I actually I know I don't think they are the second best team in the world. But I think her point is that this is how confident we are right now. And how determined we all we group to get this done. So I took it more that kind of statement like we're unified. And we're good. And we know that second team is also good. And that depth is going to be everything for us. But yeah, it's your point. They could that second team beat France or England. Probably not. Yeah. Yeah. That, that was the part that dot me. That's the reason why is that factual inaccuracy. So, so. Let me ask you guys this. You know, we saw so many changes from game one to game to Julia. You've been around the team, maybe you're hearing some things. Maybe you're sensing them things. Do you think we'll see a return to the game one lineup in game three? What we see a mishmash of the two lineups. Like what do you expect against Sweden lineup wise? My sense, is you're going to see very similar to Thailand, but with Becky Sauerbrun back in. I haven't got this confirmation. This is all my sense and was back in midfield. So remember back he was out that first game Jews. Put it ninety to ninety five percent fit, but they just wanted to be preventative and so she didn't play. So I would say Becky back in earth is back in the midfield, which means that and your front three or you're starting front three from Thailand, the normal front three and then that means that you are haram than is probably the one that's gonna come out. I'm actually thinking it might be. Paranthan who's out in was to start since mused and plan that last game. Yeah. Unless there's an injury. That's what I was thinking, as well as that one of them is going to get benched because there was an argument on FOX today that they shouldn't play Roosevelt, because you need to be physical and they are questioning whether or not, she had the physicality, so I think it was. Wait, wait. Wait. I would say the whole reason they brought in rose. Lavelle was to be the second tight. That the person I can't remember who said it but I Don it wasn't Heo. So it wasn't Riley. So obviously that wasn't someone that had like the knowledge to know that. Yeah. Yeah. So that's how I was like wanted to create a player that could beat the compact defense. Yeah. Create but, like make sure that she can play. Right. I was telling an earlier podcast I was saying they have made more accommodations for her than any other player. I've seen down with injury. Yeah. Right. So I I don't this is the reason why she's playing now. Do I think Sweden is going to sit back to the degree that they did in two thousand sixteen? No, but it's amazing. How like you know there was a great article out there. That's like Jill has decided to go with an Uber attacking aggressive forward. You know, basically all out offense instead of most coaches in order to solve a bunker go with players all players like Roosevelt that can individually solve space and pressure in tight spaces, and like when that's usually the normal response. And so instead of like it's just basically saying like worth were exposed right by throwing so many numbers forward. And I thought that was an interesting article that likes that's how I loved, how that person phrase that. And I'm like that is one. She went one way, and we do actually see people in up like stocking their teams with a bunch of Roosevelt's instead. Well, and it will be that's why I can't wait for just a game finally. Right. Because we'll, we'll finally going to see how they hand. Well, that it was, you know, are they still aggressive with through, and those outside backs forward? Are they are they going to keep them? Are they gonna deal with you know, a team that clearly more offensive? And I mean listen. They are outside of that Chilean going. I got called back. We haven't seen her have to do anything. Right. Right. So finally, in, even though it doesn't matter, essentially, it would be so good for them just to get that. I think that repetition and some time together and tested a bit and then be able to build off that. Doobie. I wonder what your confidence level is in a listen. There you mentioned. She hasn't really gotten a lot of opportunities to make plays the the one she had against Sheila. She didn't make yes, the offside flag comes up and bails the United States out. But if I was a US fan and I was looking for a moment of confidence from my goalie in the one moment, she could have had it. She didn't. Right. Yeah. I know. And that's the thing that people and not to say that she's not going to make that save. Right. I don't know. But those are the moments where you go. Ooh, you know and that happens in a World Cup game when it's on the line and we've been saying that it's enough game. So. It's hard. I want her to be so successful. And yet when you haven't had any World Cup minutes under pressure against good teams yet, we still don't know. So I and I and I think that the team. Although they say they're, of course, one hundred percent behind her. And I believe they are. But that's gotta be in the back of your mind. I mean, there was so much confidence derived from having Kate in our situation, Brian, screw behind us, right? 'cause you knew what you were going to get out of her and just don't know 'cause she's never been in the situation before they don't know how she's going to handle that situation. And it's so funny listening to Twitter which I try not to do but I'm doing it in this World Cup because I'm not covering men. So I'm not getting sworn at screen called names as much. So I actually can look at my mentioned but do. Tell doing that for you. But it's interesting is like, well, did she know it wasn't off-side or did she purposely, miss it or did she go out for it and knew that it would be called back or it might be a touch? So therefore, it Noah Noah phase offsite like all this stuff and she whipped she whiffed. I don't know. I watched a different replay from a different angle because I saw somebody that was going to do something with it realize she's off side was like, I'm not even going to chance, this and didn't and then pulled back. Right. Like I what I saw. There was an angle that I saw that because I have the FOX telecasts on my phone as well on a two minute delay. I could see a different angle where the four at I forget, the Chilean forward was who came in, and she reached with her leg and the angelman appear closer than it look with the naked eye this replay. And it seemed like near thought she was going to get a touch on it. So she kind of went towards that like an if she was going to get set on it, and then it went buyer, that's what I thought. You most worried about tomorrow for Sweden who? Ooh. Gosh, black seen as a handful when she, she's the one who scored against United States in two thousand sixteen and knocked that made them go into right? You're all situations. But I the game I goal that put the put the Swedes ahead and then the US got a response from Alex Morgan to tie. It Ford is, I think she's a handful she did not play well against Chile. I'd that she missed a lot of sitters that she shouldn't have missed, but she's a big strong person that knows how to park them's park self between two centrebacks and when I've seen today, especially is that connection between your centrebacks against top teams in. It's not on point. It's gonna get exposed like if they don't drop at the same time if they don't step if there's one dropping earlier or just miscommunication on who's going to be the one to track when the runarounds behind one's back, which is always going to be the covering defense track. I worry about that connection on service in the box because our to centrebacks haven't played together and tested in a while. It seems like it just seems well. I mean maybe it was the last sendoff game. They played together. They did. But it was just in when they putting against Mexico, June fifth. Right. So whenever that one that was made twenty six so that's the only thing is like that's a quality side. I don't think Sweden is as doesn't look as dangerous to me as they did last time. I think it would benefit them to really sit back and hit hit us on the counter because I, I think that is our weakness is defending counterattacks. But I don't know. I don't I say black seen is 'cause I just wanna see how are to center backs are tested and how they're gonna fair. But Stena blackston use the number eleven for Sweden Julie. What about the other side of this is there a player on the US, and maybe we should take narrow out of it because she's the goalies are field player on the US that you're particularly interested to see perform tomorrow. I I'm going to be interested in I thought would the wingers in the first game against Thailand for all the goals were scored a hat, Tobin heath was quiet. And not making repeated. It was quiet and obviously Alex got her five goals and had a great game. So, I think absolutely what we've been saying this tournament is you need Tobin Hayes and Megara Pino to be drawing. Attention right to free up Alex in the middle. So I I'm going to be interested in this very have more of an impact on the game. I thought that was a quiet game for Tobin. He's let me think if I. Let me think if I get one of those right? She didn't get any. She didn't get any goals out of that thirteen Pino didn't get one till the ninth goal. And I also think it's interesting, which I think was I like the gamble that Joe took with this, because I think they're thinking long term and seven games. But, you know, for hours to get five goals in the not to be able to come in and keep that rhythm going. And I don't think you of course, would bring her in the second half when the games three no against Chile. But could you start it or for the first half and just giving her that I would you of Kate, you know, like because she's hot you got five goals and those were? I mean those were nice schools. She got to assist. I think that we're nicest. I mean that was game for her. Do now she's taking a week off. Yeah. I really I just think you're playing like you're trying to balance Carli Lloyd, and managing Carli Lloyd dynamic, and Alex Morgan dynamic. You're managing egos, and rhythm, and confidence. And this is what seven I have any. We've talked about. Right. Is that if Jill Ellis can manage this team personality as well as the tactics we're gonna know if they win because they have the ability to win this thing they have the talent I would say ninety percent of a coach's job anywhere. Right, right management. Right. Right. I mean I know that's profound. But it really is like she's going to have to get everything. Right. Like in past the, the competition is so tight. Now, let that you could get a couple things wrong, and it'd be okay right for the US because they all you can always had one game changer in the US has plenty of game changers. But now there's so much talent out there, especially months. The tots teams that she's got to get it. All right. Yep. That's a hard one to because those are some strong personalities. When Carly when I said to Karl Lloyd, what kind of message, do you think that performance tonight when she scored winter played ninety minutes and scored two right? And she goes, I mean, I've been trying to send a message for a long time, and none of it's going through. Pardon me that love that he's not afraid to say. Guys, we've put out the hashtag ask seven Kate over the last couple of days. And we got a question that I think is actually perfect for Julie. It comes in from Kelley, who wants to know what's an average off day like for players during these big tournaments region and watching Netflix duly, you've been around the players, what do they what are they doing their time off? They're still drinking a lot of coffee cruiser Deauville yesterday in, in the van and all of a sudden, when like, oh, there's personal you're having a coffee there, such and such walking along the front. I mean it's like a little sleepy beach town right now. And so, and in surprisingly there because they're in the game is in the har- there in, we're about forty minutes outside of it. There isn't a ton of Americans around here. So they are a bit more anonymous and can get out. So I think they've been saying a little bit of family, and it's, it's a lot of you know, just that. Rhythm of eat train. Eat again, go have a coffee watch the movies hang out go to bed, but I was talking to a few of the staff members today and they said that the team is super lively and having a ball and having fun. And we keep hearing talking about that. Like this group is tighter, than we've ever seen it. We're having so much fun. And I don't think that's just for show. I think that's that's genuine, which is so nice to see. And and, you know, I mean I think I would say the most important factor in winning outside of having a really good players. But in winning his that when that team chemistry works, and it's clicking then you're, it's so hard to be. Julie, we gotta let you go. But I, I know you're very busy over there. I'm told you just dropped a brand new episode of laughter permitted and it Scott's some US women's national team flavor to it. Who who's on that episode? Some old bags like Kate and myself and brandy Chastain and Christine Lilley. Yeah. It's, it's like vintage ninety-niners. We just like with each other the whole time and Google. Case you will not find this surprising. It wasn't. We were on a panel that day for the ESPN w in New York. And so, I think our panel started at, like nine thirty. So I said, hey, you guys can you wake up early and do and do the podcast for like forty five minutes at, at eight AM? So brandy comes rolling down with these big time. Not. Yes. Of. They won't down with these eyepatches on like you big. I've has his. Hollywood. It's like a football player, but they were light blue and I was like what Harlem, she's like I to. I just happened to have them in my bag. I'm like course she did you brandy have eyepatches? She's so funny. It's good time. It was fun given. Listen on laughter permit. It patches permitted giggling, permitted, Julie Foudy. He's podcast. Thanks for the time and we will talk to you later in the week Iraq in it. Thank you, art Kate. So there goes, Julie Foudy, we've still got plenty to discuss including just a crazy match between Scotland and Argentina will do that. In just a second. I quick break. Right, then Kate time to break down today's games with start. Of course, at the top of group d England Japan Argentina Scotland. That's how the group started the day England I Japan, second Argentina, third Scotland with no points in fourth. Actually won't start at the top of group. I'm gonna start with a game that deserves for us to start. And that is Argentine. Scotland here the circumstances. Right. Argentine already had a point so win. And they're in no questions asked. Scotland needed to win, and that would give them a good chance to advance depending on the score. Tided Scotland absolutely no. Oh, good. A draw would keep Argentina live. And what do you know Kate? That is exactly what happens. Scotland gets up three nothing in this game. They're up one nothing at the half. They had a couple in the second half and are actually up three nothing in the seventieth minute then Argentina gets goal on a counterattack from me. Domino's Menendez in the seventy second minute seven minutes later, they get a goal from float NC up on Sigmund or the number eleven a long distance strike. I thought the Scottish goalie leagues Alexander maybe a little bit complicit on that one that goes over. And then the eighty fifth minute controversy explodes. There's a VR penalty after an Argentine player goes down in the box. It was Donna Clementi who you will remember was the player that lost a tooth in the match against Japan de-defended for Scotland Christie Murray as you look at it on super slow monkey. We watching this together. It looks like the defender gets the ball for a lot of people that means no penalty, did you think it was a penalty. I thought it was a penalty. I thought she mistimed at this is a sub by the way, that comes in and in the box when. You go to ground the Inglewood who approach tackle is vital. Because if there's any doubt in a referee's mind if you are on the side or if you were at any part from basically, even with them on the side and then alway behind him if you go to ground and that, that player falls that's going to be a pen all day long. You cannot leave your feet when your side on. You have to be almost a little bit in front of them before you can do that, because that guarantees the angle at which you approach doesn't leave a doubt any bit out in the referees mind, but also you're more likely to execute all, and then as you get the ball and you continue your kick through if you get the players foot it's usually behind the ball said then therefore, it's not a penalty and this substitute got it wrong. And I think, honestly the box defending by Scotland they got it wrong with Rachel Corsi and the first game against England. Right, where they gotta pony like their bucks defending in their willingness to go to ground is you can't do that up. That's a centreback folks saying that that was a penalty. Yeah. Go to ground. Definitely. I was, you know, there's some people that never had to go to ground because it's just they're excellent tacklers. I was one like I waited for forward to make a mistake. And at the last second, if I knew that they weren't gonna make a mistake, and then I had to make a play. I always went to ground. I'm slide tackles but cannot do it in the box in that capacity. So the penalty, not called in the run-up plate is called after the video review. NT I won't say going to steps up. There's some kind of delay tactics gone from the Scottish, I think it was Crichton the number ten that was. You know, kinda look into to see the slow or just disrupt the penalty process and the penalty saved Leila Zander redeeming herself for whatever role she played in the second Argentine goal makes the save and then just like we saw in France, Nigeria, we get that video review and Alexander is. Say what you will. But infinitesimally yes. Off her line. She gets a yellow card. There's a second chance I was impressed that they went on signal again. And she goes right down the middle which took some guts, she converts, the game ends three three, it's just madness that result see Scotland eliminated and keeps Argentina just barely alive. I think we have to talk at this point about what's going on with these penalty. Rita first, let's talk about what the heck happened to Scotland that for eleven minutes, they lost their mind gave up because opportunity how at three goals up. Do you expect to advance to the round of sixteen? When you are man management and player-management goes down the drain at they were efforts housing. And maybe they're just trying to go for more goals to ensure that when it comes down to goal differential. They are ahead of the other teams in have three points like Nigeria. Right. But once you give up that first goal you, this is when you had the solidified nothing they had already jumped Nigeria in. The would be third place in what was going on with Shelley Kerr. So is that I want to ask you is that what it comes down to Shelley curl on the hook for this. She was conservative with this. Right. They made Sophie Howarth. They were trying to fix. What was the problem with defensively, but was what was in front of him? And you saw a team that looked dead, so you wonder about the fitness, I said it sounds like they don't look fit to me, right? Like, and I don't know if it's because they're coming off the end of a wwl season because a lot of them play in the English league they didn't look a hundred percent fit. They were obviously going for it. They were playing conservative the first two matches. So the physical expenditure is different, right? When you're always having to react, it's very tiring. It's more tiring mentally than it is physically when you're not just going for it the second goal, right? Is we said at goalkeeper five foot seven. This is where she's gonna get hit and good for Argentina scalp. That and hit that, right? Again. I got in fights, I get in fights again today with my Notre Dame, goalkeeper friends, or like you hate short goalkeepers, I'm like, no, this wouldn't happen if the goalkeeper's five nine it's the best option that they had or they thought they had they go with it, by the way, the same goalkeeper saves a penalty can. But this is the problem. And this is what is irritating me with people commenting on this. That covered the game. But actually never played it at a high level how in the world, do you expect a law to get put in June? First law was made in March twenty nineteen I comes up with this new law, because they don't want the goalkeeper encroaching, like a Brian scurry and non-world Cup which was horrible. Let's be honest, and I'm I benefited from that, you know, like I got on my parents basement, because I got a, you know, a bonus like I'm usually benefited for it, but I'm glad that they changed the rule. They're trying to make it to move all subjectivity of what's egregious in terms, constantly cough this role. Right where you have to either be on the line or in the air, but equal with the line as the ball is kicked. How do I let one follow? I'm reading to reporters right now that are very well respected say, these are the laws of the game. They knew June versus new law was going to happen. And the referee told him about the law, you are changing behavior of at least twenty years for these goalies of how to how to stop PK and you expect them in eighteen days to change their approach on how they stopped one. You see them now starting to yards behind the goal. They do soon that power step. So, yes, the rule of the law is, but there has to be time to allow internalisation so that you can adapt your game to show that. So I feel horrible for Scotland any goalkeepers gonna get fried on this. All lot of goalkeepers getting fried on this. And it's it's ridiculous. It's ridiculous because it would not happen in a men's World Cup that you implement a new rule and enforce it twelve days. Right. Or no six days. Six days before opener June seventh was days. Yeah, you knew about it, March twenty nineteen we didn't know far was even going to be in the World Cup. And then it was look, I hate the law itself, like I just hate that we're litigating to that close. But I think you bring up a brilliant point about the timing of it, it, it really seems like everyone from a player standpoint is caught off guard and we're losing great moments as a result of it like to me. That's an amazing moment that the goalie make nisei there to keep Scotland alive, potentially. And we're losing great moments. And we lost the great moment that dramatic moment when Wendy Renard MRs against Nigeria, like these great moments are being over litigated. Right. Because Nigeria could have had four points. Yeah. That puts then their autumn Ackley through because that would have been zero zero. If the score would have stood right. If no one else got nothing. So I mean, it's not the people are like, well, it's the referees fall in the spirit of law. No, they are doing exactly their jobs. They've been told ref like this down the stretch of this game. There was a lot of people criticizing Scotland's, gamesmanship sportsmanship, the wasting time, what they were doing specifically around the penalty, did you pick up on any of that? Did you have any problems with now? That's all typical stuff. You, you expect that you expect the goalkeeper like go get drink of water because they're thirsty in off. So like they're probably just resetting mentally. I think that's fine. As as the person that has to take that penalty kick. You gotta be strong enough to withstand the tactics that happened that wasn't any issue for me. Right. So what does. Means then for Argentina's, basically, they're rooting for everybody to draw we'll preview tomorrow's games. But they need both the Cameroon against New Zealand game to end in a draw, they also need Thailand. And she led to end in a draw both those things happen Argentina are through to the round of sixteen real quick on Scotland you were critical of, of the manager. Well, I think you pointed out, just how intentionally conservative manager was in the first two games. And she had to be right. Then you and you would why not we're like Kate Kate right? They don't have the talent. And I was like, yeah, you're put when they but when you see this team fall apart at three nothing in this way, do you have to then point back at the manager and say she's mishandled this tournament. If if the first game okay, okay, this is always a game. They had circled. Yeah. She mishandled this game. Not not the front midfield needed to be solved that defensive like that's that's on the players. On the coach, they didn't do their jobs. Defensively it is the hardest thing. I mean every coach does ten minutes drill. All the good ones. Right. I'm sure she's a good coach. I'm sure she did. But it's that's the questions are going to need to be asked. But this is great sub. I'm glad that they're going to be asked the same thing from Jules Laura yesterday. And we talked like, there are questions about France, and why are they playing so and so here in the players don't like it, and Indiana is like I'm not answering tactic question. You know what in the women's game? If we want a quality we have to be able to withstand the critique and have a rightful light conversation back and forth debate. It is hard, but this is what needs to happen. And this these are good questions that are going to be asked to Shelley Kerr because it'll make the game better. And it'll go more farther and professionalizing our experiences so that game and three to three have some final thoughts Argentina. But we make it to see them again. So should we save them for later? Let's let's let's leave it. We'll have plenty of opportunities, I think in and we're running short on time if we do find out that Argentina's eliminated tomorrow, then we'll, we'll give some final thoughts for them later this week. So we've got one more match to discuss that's England and Japan, but first, who is paying Tobin heath, Carli, Lloyd, Mallory Pugh, and other US. Soccer stars a lot of money to do. A new goal celebration called Hulu has live sports why. It's simple. Because Hulu has live sports. You can watch the biggest games and sporting events on sixty plus top channels no cable required. Plus, you can stream the entire Hulu library. Start your free trial of Hulu today. Live TV plan required. Restrictions apply. Learn more at Hulu dot com. We just told you about the teams that enter the day at the bottom half of group dean out of the top half of the group England entered the day first place in the group ahead of Japan. The two teams met England would win. The group was simply a draw Japan needed a victory in this match to win the group the final scores England too. Japan nil. Ellen white with both goals. Kate, I found England comfortable in this match, but I wasn't sure if that was done to England's quality or Japan's lack of quality, which one did you think it was? I thought England's quality was incredible to start. I thought Japan was moving the ball fast enough in order for them to compensate for a lack of pace and power relative to their opponents. They use ball movement, and they create angles off each other and three player combinations in. It's so fluid and fast today, it wasn't fluid in fast in because England was able to put pressure on them to disrupt it. They had they forced lots of airs that you don't generally see from Japan and this Japan lineup right? There were lots of players that were sitting on yellow cards, you will boo boo. She was one of them, I was wondering if she was going to start Shimuzu. She was going to start. Right. So you knew from the with those players getting the note, not from Takura the head coach you knew that she was going for it because you wanna win this group because the bracket is easier. Supposedly from everything that people are in -ticipant ding, then getting second, so, or at least in your next round games that you're going to face. So I thought Japan was going for I thought Japan didn't have enough. But then Allie, Wagner said it, but it was right. The same time I noticed to them like they looked tired. Right. And that's one thing that I had heard whispers of is like they're just trying to get their fitness because we're called they're coming off a super long season. So you're having this team that's like having the like regenerate a little bit at the end of season in may. But then kinda regain their fitness enough to be able to compete and stay healthy physically. So they made some substitution and they were able to stay in it and Ellen white. I mean she was clinical today has she ended the debate if there was one about who England starting striker is we saw Jodi Taylor get a start in the second game. Do we look at that? Now is just Phil Neville, rotation and Ellen wide has pretty clearly laid claim to the starting gig. Oh man. It's hard to deny what she did today today. But what Phil Neville has done really well is she's gotten? He's gotten players to compete for spots without it hurting their confidence. It seems like they wanna play for him. They feel motivated under their last coach. And I'm blanking on his name Samson, it seemed like people were upset when they would get in. It was like, you know, there's always anger and this one, it's like the way he's approached. It has informed them early and often that there's gonna be lots of rotation that you're minutes are not guaranteed. But it's not indictment of performance. They have bought in because when they do get benched. It's not like it doesn't crush their confidence, for example. Fran Kirby in that first game wasn't good. Second game wasn't great. But he kept her in. So then all of a sudden, she did have that moment where she set up. And then the perfect idea to subset that me led to the goal that is excellent management vis group didn't really test England from an attacking standpoint, Japan today, had some pieces, but never really got going. Scotland was never interested in, in pressing are attacking this English team. And of course, the Argentina match was ten eleven players behind the ball. How confident are you in specifically the goal league, Karen Bardsley, the centrebacks for England who we haven't seen tested yet? Once we get to knock out play because I don't think we got a fair assessment of them in this group. I thought Karen Bardsley did well today that I save could change the game had that gun in excellent taken free kick. Right. Upper ninety full-stretch two fingers powers at out of the net on power is out of the corner where it was headed. I thought she played weld the centrebacks are concerning, though, these are their ideal pairing. This back for is their ideal ideal back for with people healthy, Demi Stokes is back in and bronze was starting on the right Stokes on the left at Mili bright and Steph Houghton in there, the two of Milly Milly bright and Steph, Houghton, the they're off their ministries off in the sense of he can tell because one will step and one we'll drop or one will drop but one will drop at a faster rate than the other one. So you create this. Angled seem which makes it easier to penetrate with the ball. It allows the player to stay on side, which is why you saw semi Shema who came in as a sub starting to make a difference was at Sam Ashim trying to look at her name Yamashina. No, who has it. Suge Casella apologize, the number of votes. I have my notes in blue for post game comments, or like drains coordinate is I read my, my black notes, which is before the game. And then as much of the game it's a different color. Susu the Salva comes on. And she is finding that gap in between those two and you see Houghton and bright fighting a little not fighting being like what's going on? And she brings the ball down in the box. Right. And almost gets a shot off. So that's something to watch because that was not that Japan was good. But I thought that was interesting. I for a team that's going to make a run that that looks a little bit dicey funny enough. You should mention Suge Gonzales, she's the number nine for Japan. I'm getting a lot of Spain vibes with this Japanese team like. I to be so direct, but there's not good enough in a final third. Like you mentioned, the chance that Suge salvo got it was a beautiful through ball from me while Bucci and it just like rolls under her foot, and no matter which player seems to get into those spots for this Japanese team right now. It's not coming off. And you don't really think of this Japanese team of as a group that gets easily frustrated, but there's definitely moment late in the match when Ghouma guy who was a player that has every accolade you could have on her resume his looking over at the other centreback. Like, what are we doing kind of like a similar to what was happening in the in English defense? And you just you wonder like if I was I was on the point I want to get to with you. It's like always wonder when you're part of a team. Right. And your and your forwards your tacking players are not finishing, and they're just overwhelmingly, not finishing. When you're like in the back does that pressure start to them like start to turn on. You it and let it what's going on, man? Like 'cause I suppose some frustration in the Japanese defense and I just wondered if if the frustration of watching her teammates not finished with starting to boil over. I think it depends on the person for me and for others that played in the back and I'll speak for them, even though they might feel really is to me. It's like I gotta do this like it's like this is my demand for my team because scoring goals. If, if you could score goals, you'd be a four. Forward as a defender. I'm sorry, if I actually had the composure to express my skill in eighteen yard box, I would be a forward, and I'd make the big contracts but I didn't. So I played defense. I know how hard it is. It's more like the onus of it's on us. It's on us, right? And you actually then that's your big challenge. Right. And that's, that's the exciting part. That's your competition, then that's your goal scoring moment is to make sure that you shut them down. So if anything when you see centreback start fighting that's always really interesting to watch because there is a bit of an ego dynamic going on because I've definitely gotten fights with my centrebacks as well. It's like you're dropping too fast or your faster than I am, so you need to slow down your drops. We can drop at the same time, and it's a matter of coming together and sometimes coach has to regulate that to be like, hey, this person's. Right. And you're wrong, right? Or, and I've been called out for being wrong. Plenty of time. So it happens on both sides is just being opened the communication from one. Another is key for those two to be better than they were today. So England getting the top spot in the group means they'll face off against the third place team out of either group B E or F right now. It looks likely that would be China. It could end up being the winner of Cameroon New Zealand or Jila Thailand, much more likely to be the winner of the camera New Zealand match. A Japan is a second place. We'll get the winner of. Groupie which we know will be either the Netherlands, or Canada. That's a match to be decided on Thursday, and then Argentina we told you in third place, and then they're hoping for not one, but two draws to see them through to the knockout rounds. All right. We still have to preview all of tomorrow's matches, which are very, very interesting. Not the US game, of course already preview that with Julie Foudy about three other games on the schedule. We will preview those next, but first quick break. I k time to look ahead to tomorrow's matches Thursday, June. Twentieth is the last day of the group phase. Do we will decide groups e and f let's begin in group e because we've already obviously with the United States spent plenty of time on group at, and I'm most intrigued by the battle for third place. In group e that's coming down between Cameroon and New Zealand. Let's set the context for this matchup if either these teams that win this game will finish third place in the group that gives them a chance but not a guaranteed spot in the knockout round both these teams are starting the day with a negative three goal differential. Here's why that's important right now Nigeria with three points is above the line. Right. They're going to be one of potentially those third place teams that goes through they got three points in a negative to goal differential. So you got Davidge shot to no, you're in. You've got to have at least three points and a negative one goal differential. So it's not just winning this game Kate, it's you gotta win hope. Finally win big or win by at least multiple goals because of that. I think we could see a very wide open game tomorrow. What do you expect? I think you now that I think it's all about going for it, and you have to go for something, you have to give up something. So we have to give up that defensive solidity that has allowed them to put themselves in specific to advance in the first place. And so I imagine both teams are going to be opened up. It's going to be wild to see what happens. I'm excited to watch and you know, and also the teams are going to be a lot more clinical part of the reason why they are sitting in this position is because they're not having been able to convert on key moments in the boss. And that's something I'm looking forward to because that really is the difference now it's not, you can't have fifty shots anymore, and it's so wonderful to see this, but they got they got a convert. You know what I look at this Cameroon to my see experience. They got eighteen players who are twenty six year old or it's kind of their golden generation last World Cup. They made it out of the group phase they actually won a couple of games, they beat Ecuador, and I believe, Switzerland, so they even beat UEFA team last time around. They got to the round of sixteen and just barely lost to China, one nothing. So this Cameroon team was almost a quarter finalist. The last time around seven players on this team that are thirty or over. So it's also a little bit of like a last chance for this generation. Right. Like almost like a farewell match. I think we might get some inspired performances out of some of these Cameroonian players. We hear people talk about experience all the time you need it to win. Big games. How were like when does it actually influence these matches? Because like it's a cliche, right? Like we need experience. Where does it actually matter here? Whereas this help cameraman. The insight to know what your body feels like what your mind is telling you, which is always usually ally about how tired you are. And that you've been there and done it before, and figured out a way to prevail gives you confidence when you face uncomfortable moments and that is what experience gives. You experience, gives you that ability to manage your emotions because you've done it, and you have strategies in place to solve the situation that have been tested, right? Because sometimes it works. And sometimes it doesn't so then you get to refine your strategy is that actually work? And once you do that, then you have this bit of confidence that, you know, that rookie does not have right. And you and if that rookie has thoughts going on in their head, they're done because they haven't figured out how to manage, it yet at the highest level for me. There's a pretty clear player to watch in this one. It's the number seven for. Cameroon. Gabrielle linguini a-. She plans kind of high and watch. She scored against the Dutch. She plays in Russia. For for Cisco Moscow club. You certainly heard of one of fourteen players who plays outside of Cameroon on this team. And if you remember the New Zealand Canada game Canada's wide player. So like prints Becky were specially dangerous, I thought they really down that they're attacking left flank, right. So the right side of New Zealand's defense was particularly vulnerable to that kind of pacey wide zigzag player, which is exactly what in Gwen. A as I think she could be very, very dangerous in this one, we know Cameroon can create chances and can every once in a while finish them at this level. I still don't know if New Zealand has that in them. No, we saw Sarah, glorious miss multiple chances in their first game where they could have gone ahead and one. They also are down to players. Right. They had a player that broke her wrist. Oh my gosh. That was gross, the right back and I'm gonna blink on, I'll look it up. Broke wrist and walked off the field. You break your wrist, and she's like, no, I mean, I would be like drama, Queen it up like rolling on the ground and my like like I'm dying and she just walks off the field. So mad props to her for just being able to handle that pain. That's insane yet New Zealand. I just wonder if they're at their their edge right threat. They're limit their physically been tested. They haven't been able to show their technique in a lot of moments, and it's a blue collar team that is going to have to bring it tomorrow. And a little little something else in order to put themselves in a position to win. Because when I look at this on the face their structure, does not overcome Nigeria's explosive. Cameron's explosive. So I was I was reading an article alley Riley. The captain for New Zealand place for Chelsea is writing a column during the World Cup on a website. Ninety min dot com. Ninety the numbers not spelled out, and here's what she wrote after the Kennan match, quote, we have to give them a lot of credit, but at the same time we didn't perform as well as we did against the Netherlands, we weren't as aggressive. It felt a little bit flat out there. We knew that there was a risk that it could come down to this third game. And we know it's one we're expected to win that, quote, I found, particularly interesting. I don't think New Zealand expected to win this match. If you asked me to put money on it, I think Cameroon's the favorite. What do you think I grade? But I think that's also a player that sees the game how she needs to see in order to cure correctly. Right and Allie and Allie rally is not the type of player that, you know, bigs up like she's not like like she's not like that. She's very pragmatic and she's very intelligent. So in their mind they should win this game. And there are that are. Defensive vulnerabilities for Cameroon without a doubt. And they think they can exploit it. So I agree that came out slow against Canada. I think Canada, like China is a very hard team to play against the out of your rhythm because they're so defensively sound if I've in Cameroon has the experience the only other thing I would say is, I think the goalie matchup is a slight edge for New Zealand Naylor versa in dome and dome is a ferry experienced goalkeeper for Cameroon but, but Naylor's better. Yeah. And I think when you really it's, it's hard to kind of find the differences between these teams, maybe it is something as, as simple, you would say as just who's got a better, goalie quick. Reminder before we move onto the next game who's paying Tobin heath Carli, Lloyd, Mallory Pugh, and other US. Soccer stars, a lot of money to do the new goal celebration called Hulu has live sports pretty simple, really, because Hulu has live sports. You can watch the biggest games and sporting events on sixty plus top channels no cable required. Plus, you can stream the entire Hulu library. Start your free trial. Of who today live TV plan required. Restrictions apply. Learn more at Hulu dot com. Who knew that the good people at Hulu would have written such a perfect read for this tournament a goal celebration, read just just perfect for the early phases of this, turn it. All right. So the other game that we gotta get to out of group ES, Canada and the Netherlands. Now. Both teams are through right? So this is about who's finishing first who's finishing second. They're even on goal differential, but Netherlands has one more goal scored. So if there's a tie that Dutch would go through as group winners K to me, this is just to teams with I don't even know if it's different styles or just different strengths, right? You got the Dutch in their attack. You got the Canadians and their defense. I approach is that oversimplifying it now. It's not, you know, the Dutch betting the Dutch midfield has been very sounded. They prevented their back line from being exposed quite a bit. Then decker came in decker came in the thirty two year old who was very slow. Blood worth is playing in that rate centreback. Due to their other centreback than getting hurt or vendor graft, excuse me. So this Beck line is suspect, but you know what? You don't notice it as much because their front six or not. And they have the ball so much, and they create so much. And they pulled teams out of position that make it difficult to have successful counters Canada. This is a team that has conceded one goal in ten games. They're hard to play against. They are hard to score upon and they are defensively sound that's what their strength is. So you're right. It is strength versus weakness and vice versa. To me this totally a litmus test for that Dutch front three right with talked a lot about them. They got a lot of fancy numbers, but it's time to put up or shut up, like I want to know if this group is a flat track bully, like okay you can do it in. Euro qualifying you can beat up on Slovenia. Let's flat drag bullying flood truck bully is is a is a more player who basically beats up weaker opponents, but talking. I don't know where the reference comes from. How good meat Emma is right? Create her own which could see show, but they haven't gone up against the defense, this good yet in this turn it, right? So we got we got van descending on the left, we got Martin sorry on the right Martin's, on the left and meet him up top. They got it done against Cameroon but they struggled remember against New Zealand. It wasn't until the ninety second minutes you'll roll. The substitute gets it. This is a this is a good and experienced backline at least Chapman's probably the, the player that people know the least about she's the right back. So the doors. He's been there for a long time as a centreback partner for Buchanan, and Ashley Laurence do pecan in Lawrence each of them almost have one hundred caps and their twenty three and twenty four respectively and going some you can legit. So is your we? We always talk about that. The blue check Mark of excellence or whatever you got for playing for the own as good as Buchanan is she doesn't play for Lille because she's in the Champions League. Anyway. She's the third centerback. And you've only play with two so she's legit. Yeah. So good. That's what I'm saying to me. If, if the Dutch front three does it against this Canada then? Right. Then we got our side believe unbeliev your elite. Yeah. But if you don't you haven't proven to me yet, your elite. Well, it come the con- conversation is he's got the better front three of the United States or Netherlands, or we're going to find out a little bit warmer. Decision based off of this on how they do against this back four. I also we've kinda hinted at this before, but, you know, Canada's defense, I yes. A lot of their tax still revolves around Christine Sinclair, but these young players, your gene becky's Michelle prints Jesse Fleming's the players that Canada made an early investment in after twenty fifteen I think a lot of those players were involved in the in the bronze medal in two thousand sixteen those players are playing starting to play. Well, right now they starting to find their rhythm, especially against New Zealand, and I can tell by the look that you're giving me that you don't agree. Now, I think these player, I think, Jesse thumbing. I think she's special. I think the rest of them are good role players. Okay. I think Sinclair's like unbelievable. But yeah, no, I think Fleming's only one there that I'm like the other ones and product. Okay. Yeah. Speed, right. But product lacking on a consistent basis, one name we haven't mentioned for candidates, their goalie Steph obey or maybe we have. Yes, she's kind got a lot better. So I guess that's the only other thing is like in the same way that we talked about England, you know, England and get really tested through the group stage. I think Canada will be tested. Tomorrow by this Dutch attack. I think it's a big match for la-. Like I I'm very familiar with her because she was at the Washington spirit for a while. She was a very good goalie. But there were some moments of trepidation weakness coming out in the air that I had bad decision may, yes. For a long. Yes, especially Olympic qualifying a couple of years ago. I'm like, ooh, the twenty six. Tournament. Right. Staying at three LeBlanc and I'm like Goldie and she's like she's getting better, like she's learning. And she has she wouldn't plays for a men's team little bit member. Yes. She's got a contract. And then and then he's replacing Aaron McCloud to who had been there. Like people don't know that she'd been there forever. Her decision making has gotten a lot better on when to come out. I mean that's really been her biggest weakness is off crosses, and service flighted spite its service in the box. She is hyper aggressive trying to make a name for herself. And a lot of times would either get like hit in disrupted on our past the ball which impeded her ability to accurately punch it out, or in a way that didn't allow a second shot or she'd miss a completely, and she's gotten a lot better at that. And that's important because we're a team. That's so good defensively, in the back four if a team can't sell that they're going to start flooding balls in the box, especially if they get impatient. And so they need a goalkeeper that has sound decision making. There's only one other match really to discuss in the group phase. And that is the last game in group f Sheila against Thailand. Now. She has a goal differential negative five so they would have to beat Thailand by a lot to get into that, minus one, maybe even range Thailand has a negative seventeen goal differential. So they've, they've got to beat Keelan, man hope or some other results to go. Their way is pretty unlikely that they would get in. Just from the perspective. Do you think this Gillette team because we now known them almost entirely? You don't think they can get five? Now. They're the favorites, though, right? Yes. Over thailand. Yes. No, not five. Now, they just don't have that attack in them, for me, the great sadness of this is I don't think we'll get to see another show from Christiane handler. Like I only I don't think Thailand's going to create that many chances and she's been the star for two for Thailand. I just hope. You know, it's like a chance to be seen. I was reading something from the and I think, actually we heard it on the FOX broadcast as well about the player who plays for Cal Miranda Nile that plays for this Thailand team. And she's like, you know, she's only twenty two years old that this experience is opened her eyes to maybe like pursuing a professional career overseas. Maybe she didn't have that opportunity and w sell, but there's, there's plenty of levels overseas. You can keep your keep yourself in the professional game. Hopefully it's not just her like maybe a few of these other type players can catch somebody's eye. You know it's a World Cup so like it's kind of a last chance to to catch an I make a career of it. And maybe in four years, some of these type players will have four years of real professional experience under their belt, if they can open a door in a match tomorrow against. All right. That's all the time. We've got for this. Oh, wait. I have one more thing. I have to share Kate. I've got the definition of flat track. Bully. You make it produce. A batsman high in the batting order, who is very good only when the pitch is not giving the bowlers much help track is Australian slang for the pitch. When the track is said to be flat. It is easiest it is at it's easiest for the batsman, but they're only conditions under which some players can dominate when conditions are tougher when it really counts they don't, it's a cricket term. I'm told so there you have it. You learn something new every day. All right. That's it for this edition of ESPN ABC's daily coverage of the two thousand nineteen a women's World Cup from France for Kate Markgraff. I'm Sebastian Salazar, thanks for listening. And we'll talk to you soon.

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"This show is presented by Hulu, which has live sports, watch live games, and all your favorite teams live on Hulu. No cable required. Live TV plan is required. Restrictions apply. Welcome in to episode four ESPN SE's daily coverage of the two thousand nine thousand nine hundred women's World Cup alongside World Cup Olympic champion longtime US international two hundred plus caps. I gotta find a new way to introduce you every day. Eight Markgraff, I'm Sebastian sell Assad. And, and we are joined also by another US international legend Julie Foudy, who live with us for the first time from France. The last time we saw her during our preview show, actually the last time we saw her Kate was with champagne glass in hand and mbacke Ganda bag at on sportscenter look Julie. I'm impressed by you. Right. Podcast co on your published author, but you go on sportscenter with champagne in a bag at I mean I mean, the carbo load of music. Thank you. Cute scarf on, and I would have been very French. It is it is the home of champagne. My friends, one must actually tag pieces with champagne. That's mandatory. When you come to a Ron's capital journalism with Jay from our, our one and only, Julie Foudy J. So julie. I will. I'll start with this. You've covered World Cups Olympics. You've covered special Olympic, so like big global events. Is there anything noteworthy or different or special about what you're experiencing so far these days in France? It was it was awesome actually to, to, to hear. I actually flew the, the night that France was playing over here. But you hear all the stories of the enthusiasm and the craziness around that French game in Paris, in our little town of Rum's rhymes, if you're American rounds if you're French is starting to bubble up because the Americans are coming in. There were some Norwegians here the other day, so I haven't been outside of our little town much. But you can see that the enthusiasm is building for sure. I'm jealous. I got a little bit this little bit. Are you seeing a bunch of the US players out and about Fouts? Yeah. They, it's nice because it's got a lot of I mean it's just like Bristol, Connecticut here. Really, it's really like it. Is there is there a lot? It's enough cute. There's a lot of cute outdoor cafes. And. Coffee shops. And, and you know like. K we've never been in that last group. And so never had to wait as a team this long. And it I can't even imagine I mean, obviously, we remember how much you just wanted to get that first game out of the way and feel good about it and gain some confidence and keep going and get the party started. But this is a lot of waiting and you're watching, and they're watching the French team play really well on that home opener. So they're sitting on that as well. And the possibility of meeting them in the quarter. So it's, it's a lot of coffee. I've seen them. I've seen them quite a bit sitting around town. Just trying to kill the time to me is the most interesting kind of dynamic around this way, does that they've had to see Kate everybody else play and in some cases, everybody else particular team. They're worried about play really, really well, right? I think France did more good for themselves in terms of. Kind of psyching up not out. That's not the correct word the United States more than the victory. They had against them in January when US played France in January. Right. And these are two teams that could face each other in the quarter-final, if they finished how we predict them to when they play them in January, France was amazing. But they also were informed in season. So they were in shape, US was not. And they had a lot of players injured. So they've always been on a fallback like we weren't at our full strength. But then when you watch France do what they did the South Korea and do it. So easily for ninety minutes are the only team that's put together a ninety minute performance that gets in your psyche. A little bit more, of course, resilient and strong Bill to handle it. But I think if anything it makes them dial in and focus a little bit more in practice. 'cause it's like we gotta be already, there's gonna be no like lackadaisical. Nece USA, of course. So opening up agree. Go ahead. Julie? Yeah, I agree. And it it it's sharpness. Right. You go. Okay. They're not rattled by that home opener. They're looking good. We got to be on our game. So I think it definitely dials them in even more. USA, of course opening up against Thailand tomorrow. Kind of the reason we've pivoted this podcast into focusing on the US, but there are other issues kind of going on around this World Cup, one of the ones that we've talked about at length on this podcast is outta Hege Bergen her absence for Norway, Julie. I wonder what the vibe is in France are people, discussing Hege Burg's absence. And really the reaction to people finding out all of a sudden that one of the best players in the world isn't at the World Cup. I mean, they're, they're discussing it on FOX, which, you know, I'm watching as well over here, but not not much in France a little bit. But it hasn't honestly been a huge topic. I think they're trying to focus on who's here. It was probably everyone on their initial day or their initial covering of Norway. It's, it's the big topic that everyone wants to cover, but there hasn't been that much conversation about it, especially with Norway winning the way they did, so solidly. It was like, all right. Moving on. Let's go. What about the French people? I wonder how they responded to the French national team in that, that I gain that first performance we're big expectations. But do you get the sense that now the people of this country are having the same expectations that maybe the team themselves had and ring this tournament? Absolutely. I mean you hear about it in England. Of course, and the excitement around the team and you see it in France, in terms of them talking about okay, this team is for real. They looked great. There's this wonderful atmosphere for their opening game by all accounts from people. You talked to, you know, walking through the streets of Paris, like every bar, had it tuned in. Everyone was watching that. So I you know, and I think it's exactly what this country needs right? They've been on the brink for so long of being a respectable world dominating team. And yet didn't have fully the support of their country. And I think this is going to be the thing that really flips that switch. I hope because. I think this is a team that definitely could win it as well as we've seen Foudy. I'm curious when we're back in the states where we have this opportunity to watch all these teams play one there. There are certain teams at stand out there like oh, they're really tough to be obviously France being the host country is the one that's giving a lot of attention. Not only for the result, but also their performance. My question is, who else is generating buzz on the ground there? I mean, I haven't been able to watch all games in their entirety. But what I saw Germany didn't impress me that I didn't see the entire the entire game I would say probably the one that. Gives me outside of France. The most pause in terms of being able to be the United States is England, and especially England in that first half against Scotland. I thought that you know, Nikita Paris was phenomenal. We know already about Lucy bronze and how phenomenal she can be? Frank Kirby didn't have the game of her life, nor did Beth Mead yet, you know, they're still playing. All right. And that's a team with DEP. I mean, they're, they're bringing off the bench. Karen Carney and. And you look at all the layers, they now have before Kate when we've been talking about England for the last decade, you could name, you know, they're key players on one hand. Right. And then you'd go up, but, you know, maybe they don't have the depth than this position or that position. And now you look at them and go, not only do they have the depth. They have the confidence. And it looks like they're playing with the little swagger. So I like England and I know that's not nearly as good as they can play. They said the same thing. But that's a that's a very good team. Both of you have England in the one point five tiers that in my remembering did Foudy have won five. I the only about doing one point five. Because he was the one point two three. Jacks, Ian was in dark. It was heading had them at one, right? On the only one that was like, yeah, but I want to see them for ninety minutes. They still are one point five for me only because of that second half. But Julia they want. Are they to your one now for you? England. I would put them tier one. Yes, VM going with it do it. That way we haven't gonna fight. We'd be courageous that brave statement. Stepping out on that limb. Look, let's let's dive in really quick what we've got the time on the US team. I know they're playing Thailand tomorrow. So maybe we don't need a full scouting report of what is gonna look look like Julie. Maybe the only question left around this, starting eleven before we said farewell to you during the preview show, was would it be Lindsey Horon or Samuel? You've been around the team or twenty four hours out now where do you see Jill LS making that decision? I would I would be. Hypothesizing here. But I think she's going to go. Jill Ellison is going to go with Sam yoU', although I would I think that I would like to see haram. Get those minutes and that confidence, because as we've talked about her if Horon is playing confident and well then she can be such a game changer. And you know, already and Samuel you have that. So. I think she's going to go with US, but I'm hoping it's haram just to get her back up to speed. Also, I would be surprised if it was music. Would you be surprised surprised? I think it would be crushing her confidence because then what you wanna do. You wanna get them both playing at the same level that then you can make that choice in that game that you think one of them could have a bigger advantage. Right. I would say newes she's really good at connecting a little bit higher up. Her can hit those longer unlocking balls. Right. And she's an excellent target on set pieces. Both of them are. But I think haram, just as different more complete player wins. He's one hundred percent confident. Right. But m- US right now is used to coming off the bench her coming off the bench does not hurt her confidence at all. Because it's what she knows it's her normal, but Horon coming off the bench fully healthy is not her normal. And I think it'll be interesting to see if she gets benched, how she responds will, she kind of play meekly, try not to make mistake or was she played angry and be like, oh, I wanna to show you that you made a mistake. This is a podcast. It's not the only one on the ESPN family of podcasts. Another of the many podcasts you can listen to his laugh through permit. It is hosting other than Julie Foudy. She's had a lot of US women's national team starts hurt. It's amazing. I bet you did look a lot of people though, in the in the women's soccer community right now, we're talking about specifically about your last episode with Tobin heat. This is definitely a superstar, but a player, maybe we don't hear much from talk about how you got her to open up, and maybe what you learned about Tobin heath. Yeah. I mean, she's such a mystery still and being a star of the team for so long people just don't know much about or on purpose. You know, when I say to her, what do you want the world understand about you to open? She was I don't want the world to understand me. Why would I want that? And, you know, she doesn't care about marketing. She doesn't care about branding. She understands, you know, the power of social media and sharing your brand. But the thing that actually made her switch her thinking and her perspective was when Nike actually, and she talks about this, a lot in the podcast asked them to put the name of a female role model on the back of their jerseys. And she said, I was so annoyed with the fact that I could not come up with a female role model. She said it was really hard for me and that bothered me like how can I not come up with a female role model? And then she said, I started to think about it, and I started thinking about, you know. When we read about great athletes. We read about men when we're watching TV shows or documentaries, about Alex, we're watching men, and she said, we don't share our story enough. And I need to share my story. And so she tells this phenomenal story about Doris Burke, and why she chose doors Burke. And then talking with doors, Brooke. I'm not going to tell it all because it will ruin the podcast. Reaction to seeing her on the back of a jersey. I'm gonna leave you hanging. You guys are going to have to listen to it. But the thing that you, you, you take from it is that. She's incredibly authentic and real and loves this game and is so grateful for all that it's given her and understands that, you know, doing sponsorships and corporate stuff is part of it, but she just wants to be authentically her. And the fact that she also realizes now she needs to share her story, a little bit so that other young girls will be inspired, and it's not. She says about, you know, making money it's about inspiring this next generation, and we need to be more cognizant cognizant of that, as women in terms of putting our stories out there, which I thought was a really great message. That's so funny. Because when I knew her she didn't want to be a role model yet. She just wanted to do her, and her at as a as a baby was step overs and won't be ones and bicycle kicks on the six yard line and tactically, not making the right decision on when to employ her skill right? Because she wanted to play Brazilian and as she's gotten older that tactical decision may. Taking an execution. Your techno technical ability as improved immensely. That's reason why she's playing informant to me is the best player in the US women's national team at the moment. But what is about her? The unique thing about her is, she's really counterculture. Like she grew up in New Jersey in a fluent family kind of had all the trappings country club. All that stuff. Right. And that's someone that it didn't make any happier. And I think so she had this perspective of someone that worked really hard and soccer was like, the one great equalizer where it didn't matter any when came from and I I've never heard this from her, but Miami's thing is like this is someone that grew up in, in this society that she didn't identify with. And so, but she did it identify with soccer, and she did identify with this culture, and it kind of this whole thing, where I don't need to be a part of culture because I don't identify with it. So I understand unlike so many other players that need to monetize every situation. That's part of now, being an athlete, male and female, she's just like that's not me because he's never ascribed to it in the beginning, you and I were. At red bull arena for the final game for the US left, she certainly intellect. She's a New Jersey native, but she got a huge ovation there ten days before that we were in Saint Louis. And when she hits the field, it's definitely one of the loudest roars, you'll hear. And it's just so interesting because we really don't hear very much from her. And yet, she has such connection undeniable when you're on the streets, when your round these US fans that she is if not the favorite player like definitely in that conversation, I would say, all right, Julie, we gotta let you go. We told the window is about to close technologically. I don't I don't even really know what that means means we're gonna lose you, thank you so much for the time. And we will check in with you again, shortly out to the United States plays Tyler. Hey, I, hey, I would just say one thing before they close the window on us. You guys are rocking it. I've been listening to the episodes. I went on a five mile run this morning, I'm proud done by the way, I can still do it. And, and I I listened to it the whole thing, and it's re-, and I've been listening to the other ones as well. It's really, really good. So I'll keep keep pushing it out there. It's only good because you're on it as well though. I mean you're the expert here, actually, I'm like the rookie, you got your L tree on try. You've got laughter fermented outta here. I'm happy part of these legends. I don't know if she actually said all that to pass a compliment or to get into humble brag about the five mile run this morning. Oh, either way. Either way. Get in Saudi real quick. I know you need to get out. But where did you learn about champagne and the difference between that and prosciutto? Might have been. Dory do saying. Mine. All wise one Kate, Mark. All right up plenty more. Plenty more wine talk next addition of ESPN NFC's daily special from the women's World Cup, Julie Foudy. Thanks again for the time much appreciate it. All right. You guys. All right. Then another reminder that Hulu is paying Tobin heath, Carli, Lloyd, Mallory Pugh, and other US soccer stars, a whole lot of money to do goal celebration called who has live sports why it's simple. Because who has live sports. You can watch the biggest games and sporting events on more than sixty top channels no cable required. Plus, you can stream the entire Hulu library. Start your free trial of Hulu today. Live TV plan required. Restrictions apply. Learn more at Hulu dot com. All right. So we just spoke with Julie Foudy live from France on this, what is day four of the two thousand nine hundred nine women's World Cup back here in Connecticut. Kate you and I were watching double header of action, one that featured Canada and Cameroon in the afternoon, Japan and Argentina early on in the morning. It was that Japan and Argentina match, which I think surprised the most people at least for today was zero zero final. Score to give you a little bit of context. They're Japan was ranked seventh according to the latest rankings before the start of the tournament Argentina was ranked thirty seventh. So a major gap between these two teams. And yet, the final scoreline was even Kate. What were your thoughts on this match? Okay. So in order to fully frame, my thoughts on this match. You have to go back and look at Rosser selection that the Japanese manager. Asaka Takur decided on. They have believed the third youngest roster. Average age twenty four compare that to the United States, which has the oldest if not the second oldest roster at twenty nine point something. Right. So the reason why they picked such a young roster. It wasn't because there weren't any experience players. It's still wanted to stick around from the left side. She basically said, see you later, she had a fifty player pool come in and she slowly pushed those players out knock Assata, right? That's a player that's playing for Chicago red stars who is an incredible player who I think would have made a difference today. She's a bit older. She's older than twenty four and that player is not on this roster. In fact, there are more than fifteen to seventeen players that are under four caps that are playing on this roster. So she chose youth in inexperience in hoping that it would give them experience because for me as much as you want to do well in the World Cup. They're thinking about hosting the twenty twenty Olympics. They're looking at making good performance. Making their country proud in their host countries. So for me, this is a long-term roster now short-term one and that paid that was the reason that paved the foundation for today's game and why it turned out the way they did. They came out in a four one, four, four one one, essentially, and they had nobody that was like you know what this game plan doesn't make quite sense. I'm old enough mature enough. I have seen enough that I know this can work, and that lack of individual knowledge that comes from experience, did not exist. And that is the reason why they were stymied by a very organized and committed Argentina side, but it wasn't committed in terms. Like like we just saw with Cameron like throwing bodies. They were so, well, controlled in their physical exertion. They stayed within their limits, but the mental endurance they had to stay committed to a game plan Japan didn't have any answer for our one really focus on Argentina primarily, because I think they are the story here because I don't know how many other times we will get a chance to discuss Argentina, route this World Cup's. But just to kind of. Follow up on Japan the head coach you name. Masako taka Kura is a former Japanese player, I, she had like a fifteen year career, I'll believe with the national team. She's a six time Asian confederation coach of the year. She took this team over in two thousand sixteen of the players on this roster twenty one of the twenty three are domestic base, as you mentioned. They are very young. Yes. The average age is twenty four which I believe, makes them the third youngest team in the tournament all that said Kate, there are plenty of remnants still of that two thousand eleven two thousand fifteen like spine Somma Shema the outside back. We used to be number fifteen now. She's number three, they call it a shark by. Guy number four. She plays for Leon. And we know that at anytime we're talking about a player in this if they play for Leone, there are a big deal, it's like verify Twitter, Instagram check, if you played for the okay, you're legit Kuma guy was the player that scored the winning penalty against the US back in two thousand eleven she was a starter in fifteen same can be said about soccer Gucci who used to be the number six, but in the last couple of years has kind of become their number ten roomy Atsugi to who plays for Seattle, and wwl fans. We'll know from the Seattle, right? So there are like for me. A lot of those players from two thousand eleven and two thousand fifteen yet when you throw the numbers in the ages twenty four it makes a lot of sense. Why this team for a lot of these players in that first kind of big moment, struggle? Do you think that's what we saw that we just saw a young team that hasn't played together for a while struggle to break down a compact team? Is that an oversimplified but a pretty basic way to some of what we saw from Japan? I think he saw a team. That might have underestimated the quality of Argentina's really all did. I was talking to people yesterday. Trying to get a little Intel about Argentina. And it's like yeah. Only worry about one or two of these players. They're not that good. And I was reading this tactical analysis. And I'm reading it, and I'm like, God, these sound pretty decent. But everyone that I know that I that loves soccer like they tell me how bad they are because really difficult to find information on them. And so you rely on your people that you trust. They came out and surprised everybody today. So I think that's definitely what happened in Japan because I have a pretty deep scouting network. And I got this one wrong in terms of what I thought I knew about Argentina. They, it's all because of their players, right? That they played so, well, it's not because of their federation, the federation that shut them down for two years after a poor performance in which they lost eleven nothing to Germany. And so, then the they go, you know what the federation's like. Yeah, we're just gonna cut down basically and you support for you. And they didn't have a game for two years. They essentially shut them down. But thank goodness for the global expansion of. The women's game that these players found an outlet to play outside of the country into continue their personal development and, and their maturity because anytime you play overseas. You become a much more mature player because you're used to being thrown in different situations. And you learn how to manage that discomfort and that does translate to your game. And they think this is a team that the only reason why they did well is because of their self belief because it's not from their federation, because they get no help. So I think it's important to state that because a lot of the coverage you hear as we see these nations develop, we hear a lot of commentary that affectively is, let's give all these federations credit for finally investing in the women's side of the game when did their investment come, though. Well, that's what my fame Fabu wary when they decided to launch a pro league totally. So my first point to that Argentina specific or not would be, we shouldn't be applauding male driven organizations for finally recognizing that they have to put a little bit of money still less than the men. Into a women's program in two thousand nineteen like that seems like acknowledging something or giving credit for something that should be like a very basic thing. And then the other reality of it is Kate is not true. Argentina's, not there because the federation Jamaica's not there for the federation. In fact, those countries though, there in spy of the Petteri, but that needs to be said, better, the Jamaican FA doesn't deserve a liquor credit for what's happened the Argentine FA shuttered this team multiple times in the last decade. And yes, they did just professionalize the league. But that's a fairy berry initial for step. It is not the reason that this team that this group of players qualified. And so I think it's always important to as we say, yes. Globally, federations are putting more money to the women's game. That is a net positive. It's very different than to say, hey, good job, Jamaican or Argentine FA for getting your team here. No, no, no, no. You didn't get your team here. Yeah. And I think I mean even the head coach for Argentina, said that today in our culture. Is the women are expect to stay home. And they're expected to help with the domestic duties, it's not accepted for them to go out and play. So he was saying, how proud he was of these girls to basically overcome stigma that they face on a daily basis for wanting to do something that's outside cultural norms. So it's not, you know, for Brazil, I mean they this is there's so much discrimination against the women that play on that team. It's unbelievable. I cannot believe how talented they are considering what they have to overcome on an individual and collective basis. So it's not just because a federation, it's a whole cultural shift. The only reason why the United States is where it is. And grant wall came out today and had this article on it, and I appreciate grant wall. But I'm a little disappointed at grant walls doing the reporting on the this piece about the impact a title nine I think Jenny Taft would have been a better selection for that. Is that without that law? There's no reason why the US would not be where we are. I do a lot of stuff for the State Department. I go on a lot. Embassy missions at been to Peru. Evan to Chile. I've met with the first lady Chile and this is not a humble brag, this is an actual conversation that I had with her, and I'm sharing it with you, not to say, oh, I've done these things. It's because she's like how do I help my country? How do we get women playing sports? How do we help women, you know advance and she's like, how did the United States do it? And I was like, we have a law. We have a law that said you have to do it. Right. And that's now paying dividends back in ninety nine and now you know, the women are doing on their own in different ways as well. So I think until you change culture you're not going to change these federations. I think a big part of how right to how you change that culture is moments and we talked about we were previewing, England and Scotland for, for Scottish women's football. This was a huge opportunity. I think you're seeing that across the globe. I think this Argentine performance, and I just say this is like my two best friends in the world or Argentina, you've ever heard them talk about soccer. They always talk about the translation would be. Like guts, matter starts like sweating for the shirt bleeding roommate, right? Made you what that performance was today from Argentina was nothing. If not believing for the shirts. Yeah, it was a it was a performance full of guts, and I think every person back home watching an Argentina male female was saying I can like I'm with these ladies like that was they there were so many moments in that game. And I, I got the tills here and you talk about that, because I don't know. I mean, I'm a white girl has grown up in a situation where I get paid to play on a good club team. And I'd had all the advantages right? So to hear somebody that has firsthand experience. Right. Talking about I don't know. Those things I don't I have in. That's me. Right. Not being. Maybe I'm being hopeful that those moments, we'll have the. Yeah. I think I've seen it much more in a ground level. And there's just I mean I actually haven't been urged been to a lot of the other countries in South America that are soccer rich for these missions, not for soccer because they would never actually invite us down there back when I played because it costs, the money to host us. I've actually never been to Brazil in my twelve year career 'cause they never host tournament in my twelve year career only time I've went to Brazil was when we covered the Olympics. So it's the same federation that decided in the build up to a World Cup. They would schedule exactly to Phil's dose. Right. So anyway, I think we should move forward. I think I think it can't be said enough that let let's hear on these things Argentina making history getting their first point in a World Cup. Ladies my hat is off to you. I always have ball, cap on, but early and figuratively. My hat is off to you guys are impressive Rockstars. And I you're now my team, you're my dark horse. I want you to go totally can we give some individual players some love? Because again, I don't know how many often times we're going to get the chance to do this with Argentina. Fani Benin Panini on the on the podcast. I think both when we were starting to World Cup. And then yesterday, the she's the number ten she plays for Levante Spain. If you follow the end of his so you definitely know her from her time with the Washington spirit. I thought she was amazing. If you watch the game you saw their number nine. So that is another player who has that blue verified. Check. She plays county on now. I say place early on. She's on the bench. All right. And happy and Z game. She's in the eighteen she doesn't play a whole lot kept the backline, busy, when she got service, and that she, and she held her disciplined, right? He stayed high so many times, you see the number nine doesn't get fed comes back. Right. But then all you do is ask for more defenders to come with you. And now you've compacted space, even more. So she was tactically disciplined. So there were two other things that jumped out to me about this. Argentine team one is that need for viral moment, right? There was Donna go. Medi who plays for severe? She's the number six. If you watch the game you know what happened. She lost a tooth. She lost on. And you know what I write about Julie earth's moment? My Argentine buddies have gotten us. You know, the team has won it UCLA player lose a tooth man. That's I guarantee you their loving out right now in Argentina. I guarantee you, they're, they're making a connection with this player and the other player, I'll mention some of them is this, and that is a player that came on as a late sub, and it's I think almost more important than speaks to what you were talking about before Monte, yellow got on Nell, she's thirty seven years old Kate. This was our first World Cup appearance since two thousand and three and so you wonder oh we'll like what happened this player. Kept her career live for almost fifteen years to get another shot at this moment. And where did she keep it alive? She kept it alive playing primarily in the Spanish second division where she's played for multiple teams over the last decade. And I don't know that much about the specific economics of the Spanish second division of women's football. But I can guarantee you, it is not much. And so this player at thirty seven years old gets back into the World Cup has her moment. And again, these are not adore these doors that kept her playing we're not opened by the Argentine federation. They were opened up a whole world away, but thank found them. She kept by her nails. She kept herself alive is a professional and she got the payback. And man, I saw such a moment when she got to come on. Okay. And then the last one Lorena Benitez. Oh, yes. Yes juniors. Yeah amazing. They're twenty years old. We were talking about other superstars talking about Benin. You're talking about those, you know, if Alito but really, it was Benitez her ability to control that midfield. Do that work. They stayed more compact. And part of that, though is Japan did not move the ball fast at all. So easy. Japan was two three four touching it and it's and they weren't using the wings and they were coming inside the entire time. First half at made their job easy. She got asked to do more second-half. She ended up being benched towards the end of the second half and Coronel came in. Right. But I think that's when you want that experience. But I thought she was been testing. Yeah. Just a very cool moment, and something that you, and I'm sure we'll touch on later in the show. It really is interesting how the underdogs now don't seem to be as big of an underdog as they were even three or four World Cups ago. Again, that is due to the growth of women's football. Yes, it is not due to some of these federations. Let's always just keep that in mind. Let's move on to the second game from today's doubleheader, Canada and Cameroon. And it almost almost gave us another shocking surprise, again, Canada wins the match one nothing, but they come into this tournament as the fifth ranked team, according to fee for Cameroon forty. Six. So another huge ocean between these two teams. And yet the theme of the tournament, though, set pieces is really the only difference at least on the scoresheet between Canada and Cameron Kate, would you see? I salad Cana. They're giving up a lot of possession unnecessarily, but they're giving it up because they were put under pressure that they weren't used to seeing, I think I was almost kind of laughing in my head because when I don't mean that mainly but when you play Canada's the United States player, you know, the first thing you need to do is to match them in tally because they are coming for you. They're getting the ball. They get party you so be it. But they have this physical presence that imposes on you. And it does it does make you a little bit tentative, you're like, okay, I have to match that and you have to amp yourself up to be prepared for it. I saw Cameroon side that said alright. Can't here you go. And I thought Canada really struggled. And so the key when you playing a team that super fast and physical is you have to match that mentality to start with. And then you had to put the ball on the ground. If you have that capability to do so. And they struggled in that first half in the second. And half. I think they didn't see possession so easily upon physical confrontation. They are able to hold the ball a little bit more. And I thought they played better in the second half, and yes, they were awarded by can you should be can not being marked and Cameron almost scored in the same exact set up on the other side with the player not being marked back Cameroon was much better and more organized, and again that mental endurance piece, I think, is the biggest difference with these players able to play overseas and not in their domestic leagues because a lot of times they don't have them. And if they do they're not professional is, especially for Cameron and Argentina is they have developed a mental endurance to withstand, a lot of these moments that they didn't four years ago and definitely not eight years ago. How worried would you be from a Canadian perspective based on their performance that you saw today? And the fact that you could only get one goal past a camera inside which we should say, yes, they're ranked forty six in the world. They did get out of the Dacian be ranked. He's okay. But they got out of the group phase the last time. Around. So we rented sixteen they have they have players like we mentioned on yesterday show, who are playing all over Europe there, they're not maybe the super underdog. But, but how would you be about Canada? I'm not worried if you're Canada, because Kansas score. A lot of goals to start with right. Like they don't. I mean, they've had you didn't think they would dominate this game a little more easily a little more healthily than they did. I thought they would dominate the game more on the wings and they did. I thought the thing that I saw missing from Canada was a realization that combination play can unlock teams at our super aggressive because nor to be aggressive, you need to end -ticipant where the ball's gonna go. That means to me, you're watching the ball, a little bit more than you are maintaining your shape. Right. And also that takes discipline, when you are prepared side, that comes with months and months of experience of training together, which we know Cameroon came together, five months ago and has had limited preparation, right. So they don't have that organization. So you do end up watching the ball a little bit more because it hasn't been drilled. Into enough of your style, how to maintain it when this player on the far side has the ball, your little more worried about the player. And I thought Canada didn't do a good enough job of realizing that they were all watching, and combination play could have crushed this Cameroon team. But we talk about how good is still Johnson was. Yeah. What a what a salaried is one of the stories. I mean here's a player that played right back. When I played against her in Philadelphia, then, she played for the Washington, spirit got treated, the sky blue NWS L. And she was incredible today. I thought she played so well and matched that intensity in that heart that the rest of our teammates had, but then brought a little bit of defensive solidified that defensive it better. So real quick background on on her story. She was raised in Colorado, which, by the way, what's, what's in the water in Colorado, like Iran. Want your kid to play moved to Colorado. Exactly. The they seem to be doing something right out there in, in youth developed. However, she was born in Cameroon. The wiser father is an agronomist, so. So I'm not a scientist, but I think that has to do with growing crops, and he's working with substance farmers at the time in Cameroon when she was born she's thirty years old. This is a player who came up through the American Olympic development program system. So if you're familiar with that, it's, it's called ODP, maybe you've heard that in slang, but that would to me make it seem like this player probably grew up slaying. That was like the way to go before, C N L ever saying, is if you grew up in the system, you grew up thinking about playing for the the national team. Right. So this is a goal that she's had for the World Cup for a very long time as you mentioned. She played in Philadelphia that means she played back in the w w Paul Riley, right? She kept her career, live, when there was no, you know, in that dark, those dark years between the end of W, P, S, and the launch of wwl. She kept her career alive and look at her now she's in that World Cup for the first time at thirty years old. She just made her debut at the national team on may seventeenth and so just like what a cool story, you know, another story of a player that kept the dream. Live with a lot of their own will, and frankly their own finances, and got the payoff for it. Right. Same with leaded players from Jamaica, right, NS alone. Just got hers over because he played as a youth international. It wasn't going to go anywhere. Many people compared her to a young Carli Lloyd in the way in which she played it didn't work out for on the national team. She saw an opportunity in jump for it. So good for her to keep their options. Good for both of them to keep their options open, and the best part. Is it raises the quality of the tournament? Definitely. And we see that we see these teams that can find these kind of players from other places to expand their talent pool and the former have nots are a lot more competitive than they have been. All right. So that's the two games for Monday June tenth. We're gonna take a quick break on the other side. We'll take a look ahead to the eleventh. Yes. We've talked already a lot about the US and their opener against Thailand. But it's also our first look at Sweden, and the reigning European champions, the Netherlands. 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Thailand ranked thirty fourth but Kate, we've already talked quite a bit earlier in the show, and we had Juliane about the US, so I wanna take what we have left to the show and, and focus on the other two teams that we're going to see right, sorry, the other two games that we're gonna see let's start outside of group f we'll start with the back half of group e that's the Netherlands, and New Zealand Netherlands comes in ranked eight in the world, according to fee for New Zealand ranked nineteenth. Of course, another ones are the reigning European champions. They won that tournament in two thousand and seventeen Kate. This is an an intriguing match-up for me. What do you expect? This is what I expect. I think New Zealand's come out and try to. Limit. The excellent wing play of leak Martin's on the left hand side. And I'm on I'm going to mess up her name Vandersanden who sits on the bench. Right. She's she plays. She's a super sub at Leone the question for me would be her fitness. But she shoots from distance, one B one speed and excellent crossing. So if you're a New Zealand, what I expect for them to do is probably play five in the back and Amelie put pressure out wide to prevent service in. Right. You look at the biggest strength that they have, and it's in their wing play. So can you shut that down they'd love to play total football? Definitely move all around their weakness, though, is the back line. And the speed of that back line. They're not fast. I mean, in that's saying they're they are maybe as fast as Australia is as fast on the back there to centrebacks of poking horn. And a lot in Kennedy, so it's not that the we, we saw that speed. New zealand. Yeah. New Zealand will look to hit them on a counter. I imagine they'll start on a four five one and the always when I'm giving the formations or five three two is because you need to know it's all about being play. Right. Very much like France. But in a different way, both venison will stay out wide right. And crosses in leak Martin's likes to come and drag it in with a right foot, which opens up more. So we talk all the time about front threes. Right. And like, oh, this is the breast front in the world are like that's the best front three in the world. A lot of people talking about the US front three when they talk about that, right? Like, Meghan repeal. It's hoping this is a different front Alex more. Let me just give it to okay. I haven't seen right Sinise van to Senate. She wears the number seven as you mentioned. She's going to be on the right wing. The number eleven is league Martin's. And then the number nine is VN meet him. And he's kind of average. Right. They're all very, very good at seven eleven wide nine in the middle nine place meet him a place for arsenal. Mearns place for Barcelona. And as you mentioned a Vandersanden plays for Leon. So this is a front three that is highly successful, the international. Level European champions. But also highly successful at the club level because those three clubs are three clubs that either historically in the case of the Ono now arsenal and Barcelona are, are investing more and more into women's football. So my question to you is where do they fit into the top three discussion fat specific front, three L that specific front three par with the US, which you have said in a different way, though, about them is there's a lot of interchange of movement and they need their two centimeters in order to help that movement. The US does not that front three can operate alone. So I think that's the reason why they're not they're just a different frame meet him. A- is not gonna burst into speed in behind like an Alex Morgan. She's gonna look for passes, but she can also create them. Create them on our own her positional awareness is on par with Sam Kerr, who is one of the most positionally astute players out there. So meet meanwhile, also got the PFA award, right? It was a total Netherland dominations for the lords of Virgil Van Dyke from. Pool winning it. And then she wins it, so just a clinical finisher, both feet in the box because she's smart. It's not because speed. So I think they're going to be fun to watch. The, the question is in euros when they ended up winning it. They also were hosting it. So you gotta remember that's only like a twelfth man. Is they grew into the tournament and they grew in the tournament. And they had this awesome coaching staff supporting the head coach, Sarah Wiegmann. They don't have that support cast this time around they grew into that tournament and they will tinker. So I can't wait to see how they what the directory of this Netherlands team is and it'll be how much of it is it takes time for them to get hot? Or maybe they don't have the system coaches at the head before. I'm very interested for me. This is a team that could like I think they're definitely got through the group face. I could see them going out in the round of sixteen or I could see them like making a final do you can get hot? Yes. Go to that volatile staking control their back line. It honestly is that slow? So South Africa gave them problems. Right. When they play each other in a friendly with. Speed. They scored on him twice. So I am really curious to watch that one real quick note on New Zealand. They're another one of these teams that's gone undergone kind of like a late and somewhat dramatic or chaotic coaching change. They had their own issues of culture that needed to be dealt with Thomson Mani, who we will know from the US days has been brought in on recently to kind of calm things and get them through the World Cup. They have quite a few players that US fans have really followed the sport in this country will know alley Riley is is a player that's pivotal for them one of their leaders. She's one to watch played at Stanford. So she's like, super transit Kelly. Christon press, I think based on our own feet. I guess that question has always been should she have been on the US women's national team because. Lack of left outside backs. I mean, heck they converted anyone they could into a left outside back including myself. Laurie club who was an awesome midfielder was left back. So I mean yeah, she, she's in there, so New Zealand is a blue collar team. This is a team best player is Abby Erceg, who plays for North Carolina. The best pure soccer player, but also an incredible fitness. Because if you play for North Carolina courage, you are one of the fittest soccer players in the world due to Paul Riley's training regimen. So not only that she's confident she leads his team. They all look toward alley Riley, very competent outside back pastor prime in all honesty, solves things with her athleticism, enter fitness, but she's strong and the rest of it is just down the spine, like their spine is super, strong yet Rusi white who likes to create Hannah Wilkinson up top played for Tennessee's kind back from an ACL injury. But this is again is a blue collar team that will be reactive to what is thrown at them. They will not be pushing teams to react to them is going to be Tom for money, tinkering I imagined. Different lineups and all three of their group games to figure out how to nullify others other opponents strengths and then exploit their weaknesses with their lineup so it's interesting. You mention be Erceg. Of course, a lot of people have talked about Hagberg not being at this tournament and her stepping away from her national team. Abby Erceg had to do the same thing multiple times. A she stepped away. I four kind of general reasons the, the standards weren't where she wanted. And then when she returned specifically to address the culture issues that had bubbled up when she wasn't there she stepped away yet again. And so, and I had a chance to talk to her in Saint Louis, she said that she saw growth from New Zealand's federation through those things, it is still and it must be said ridiculous that women are having to retire to start conversations with their federations. But I did find it interesting that he was a player who had who had played that card twice and is now back for a World Cup and can say, I think what maybe out ahead is hoping, she can say in a few years, like it work. I sat out, I demanded things I demanded change and along with her teammates that should be said, they really teamed up on, on the second protests. They got what they wanted and they got the respect that they deserve from the federation, also mentioned, one more thing about her since you mentioned her time with the with the courage, and you know, she is talked about. I'm remember time when Abby say it was a player and then wwl and she was like a solid centreback to you is what he's saying. I didn't think she was good is like I thought she was always good, right? I thought she was solid and consistent. But I think I guess, I know what you're going, which is, she is a next level center, max level, not at the elite level. She's definitely not windy Renard, right? But and she's also buoy by having Albie dot com. Right next to those two are perfect. They're complementary, but I think she has matured in the way. And Paul Riley has made her better in understanding tactically, positionally where to be because she's not fleet like should not lead. She's knocking out rusher. Yeah. But she's. Smarter on how to cut down the Ingles to turn that disadvantage in to something that doesn't hurt her. She is the reigning NWEA sell a defender of the year. And actually, one of the reasons she talked about for her improvement is actually that the day to day competition that she gets in practice and you think about it, right? Like Jess McDonald Lynn Williams. Samuels and crystal done are all players that in a defensive role, she's probably having to deal with on a daily basis in practice. And she said, like I think are literal, quote to me, was, I didn't have a choice but to get. Onto that in Boston and you're playing against them, and it's gonna make you better. So certainly a player who has benefited in big, big ways from her time in the national women's soccer league or the other of the three matchups. Tomorrow, obviously, we've already talked about the US in Thailand. Quite a bit is the other part of the United States group group f and that is the thirty ninth ranked team in the world and more importantly are more relevant to the United States Sweden, the ninth ranked team in the world and the team that eliminated the Americans from the last Olympics in the quarterfinal round what do we expect from this one to market? Well, today Sweden Sweden will go for it in the sense, they'll try to get some goals and look for goal differential in case in their last game. In the group, they play the United States that it's needed if it goes down to a tie. I think the interesting thing with Sweden. Is there a mix of high and low pressure but they're also ones that's just really smart like they have players. I've been playing internationally in the European leagues and they're already on thirty to forty aims this year. There is a lot of there's a lot of. League in those legs. So they're going to have to manage key players. So I think they're going to do very well against till I think they're very strong. They're good, onset pieces. They're good in the build up. They play a mixed a low and high pressure, which I think Chile will have a hard time solving. And I think Chile is the worst team in this competition so Argentina. Well, I put Chile and Argentina's the bottom two at along with Jamaica. Right. Those were thought the three worst teams coming into this and not just by raking just because of preparation. And now I'd say that they probably are the worst team in in the World Cup which means goal differential, could be huge for team like Thailand, but Chile is not the one we want to focus on. It's really just how Sweden plays and how they manage their minutes is going to be key for them grow full is very important player for them, but she's had a lot and niggling injuries. So they're going to have to manage her have replay within once they're up. I can't see them going for ten goals. I can see them going for three and calling it quits interesting. How similar is this Swedish team to the one that eliminated? The US three years ago because I see some of the similar names. But team was so hated that they hated Pia style. They hated the law. So, like I mean over and I didn't know if maybe it was just what they did against the US, but they did that, that really that whole tournament mandates that deep and but but credit day had to that with spring on the counter, and they they had to because saline had gotten older. And she wasn't nearly as good, right? They're, they're number nine. So we expect the same. No, no, no. Actually, in the players, basically, they didn't ever state it like this. But it was we are not happy. We need to not play the style anymore and Pia to already left, right. But they were really looking for a new head coach that allowed them to play soccer in a way that didn't involve them sitting back and just defending the entire time and looking for three or four counters in a game. So they will play a mixture of a low bought they'll play a little bit higher. But they play a mixture of hard and low press. So it's going to be a little bit of everything and it changes within game. They don't come out with Sweden. You knew what they're doing for ninety minutes with this Swedish team. Now. They will show you a little bit of everything, which makes them tactically difficult to plan against nothing. It's a it's a fascinating team to look at. And I think it's also an interesting discussion to have in terms of the United States. We've always assumed that, like, oh, well, the United States will have the decision to make in this last group phase game, whether they want to win or lose two or Dragen Sweden swings a good team like feel like they also say could Sweden like may decide that they don't wanna win or that they do you know like Sweden. I'll have a say in this. I wanna make it very clear that like this Swedish team is a top ten team in the world. They, they, they made a run to the finals of the last major tournament. This is not this is not the second best team in this group that pending on, you know what the US is on their day. This may be the best team in this group. I think the difference is last time they teams face each other in a knockout competition in the World Cup. Is it didn't they knew that they both were going to advance? Right. And this one is they know they're both most likely going to advance, but it's a matter of who they play next semester of you almost wanna be on that other side of the bracket. I think if you're Sweden, I think Sweden is going to be really good. There'd be much better than they were for years ago. But maybe they'll go back to that low block because it does frustrate the United States so much. That's probably the hardest thing that they have to do is to break down another team and they're very susceptible on the counter, that's probably the US that transitional defense is a weakness of. There's so that's something I wouldn't be surprised to see, but it also is not the toughest group. They've always been in the group of death with the United States. This is not the group of death anymore. So this game isn't as I don't know. It doesn't have the hype and excitement even though they talk about redemption. And they knocked the Olympics, it doesn't feel that way because the group you think both teams will have their ticket punch by then. So it'll take a little bit of the air out. Much better way to put it. Yes. I mean I I get that. Here's here's what I'll say. Because if you start to do the bracket permutations. An eye. Just just keep that room. I feel in vain Germany game okay? Because because. Did not look good, right? And Spain has now even though they didn't maybe also look all that convincing has put up a number. Right. So let's say Spain draws or or Spain wins and Spain ends up winning that group. And the US wins their group. Here's the US's path not to the World Cup championship to the final likely Germany round a sixteen France quarterfinal England semi-final just to get to the final. I know that it is outside, and I'm quoting here, the American DNA to take the easier path. It's outside. Everyone's no, no, no. It's not accepted. Not handing do it right. Okay. But I'm just saying now, you can't avoid Germany, France England back to back. It's a conversation for another day. You gotta really think about that. Now that I'm older and realized how hard it is actually, to win one of these things. And when you're not in the moment, you're like it's okay, you gotta beat the best best, and that whole mantra. Yes, true. But you also have to go in with. To lakes and you're starting eleven or you're starting thirteen ready to rock and not be totally fatigue. So I, I don't know. I'm with you. I get it as a player is just it's just not in your mentality to do that. The final game tomorrow the game that we've been talking about already USA Thailand. Of course, we talked about it with Julie. But I guess when Thailand perspective. Hey, look there here. It's a second straight World Cup for this team. We know that their technical other than that. I don't really know a whole lot about this, this Thailand team. We have seen them before in, in friendlies against the US, but just from the US perspective here, like what's a number. That makes you feel good because we're, we're talking about a a result and a performance as opposed to just being like well they gotta get three points. Honesty, right? Kate. This is about south, right? I, I don't know. I don't know what Germany you like it was like, oh, well, they got the three points like we can trust them to move on. I was super daily for a number. You ask me, what's like I'm asking for a number. What, what, what's a number that say, why would say, I would say three but I think what's more important than the number is who scores. I think what's more important is Alex Morgan needs to get hot, right. And for the US to make a run deep they need Alex Morgan needs to get hot in two thousand fifteen she didn't get hot because he had an injury, right? So she was nursing that the entire time, she admits that she wasn't at her best, and she was doing ailing she could more like the sacrificial runs to help the team because she could it be the one in those big moments to be that big player. I would say if Meghan repeat no can get a goal and play. Well, I think that's huge. I think Tobin heath always contributes whether or not she scores. I think she has five goals in the last eight games, that's less important to her, that doesn't affect her confidence at all. But imagine if harangued gets the start she puts one away that for me. The two key goals, scores not how many goals who scores. Alex Morgan, Lindsey her an score that's going to do more for this confidence and better for the this US team than anything else. We have been asking you guys on Twitter to send us your questions with the hashtag, ask. Said and Kate, and we've gotten a lot of them recently, which is great. I'm trying to sift through and we talked about VAR yesterday, our good friend. I am that Sam. I am also asked us about Australia's defensive struggles. I think we got we got into that pretty good anything else we talked about. I mean we all know it's better. Yes, I have color-coded notes. I have notes pre game and then I have a different color for notes post game. So I have a good one year. It's again from our our buddy fits camel. Remember, we got three questions from fits AM yesterday. We did we did. All okay, here's a good one from MJ Lee. How about this? I'm not going to get him kind of nervous to how does any team deal with Renard onset pieces? You need to disrupt her path to the ball, first of all, don't give up set pieces. I know that bullish. But if you always have three keys to a game coach screamed at the TV when South Korea gave up a corner kick like oh, they do. Not. So as a defender, right, there are times where you lunch for a ball and you, you block the cross, because, you know, like, okay, we'll let our team you organized, and we can defend the setpiece, right. But there is something with how you approach a ball in those moments where you can change the angle because you're prepared for it going long, or you're gonna win that foot where you can turn your hips, and you will do anything to not give up a corner. Sometimes if you knew was also one person in the front line, that's gonna be the intended recipient, you kind of let that cross go in, and you rely on your centreback solve it. We I have done that I have been instructed to that in my career on the national team. There are teams. You don't give up corner kicks to Germany was one of them for a long time, because they had a couple of giants that were, awesome headers, and I'm blanking on all their names Norway. Dear God never give up a quarter on that. And they she reminds me of this Norwegian attacker, called Rog. Neil Gaulbrandsen in the air of Wendy Renard, not as tall. But a strong. And I would always at the man marker, and she taught me and I couldn't I got my butt kicked all over by her. And she won every single Hedblom. Thank God that he should go on net in a way that the injured are keeper is, then I played with her in pro professionally, and I asked her, how do I stop you? And we were friends at this point, so shack, she told me and she and she told me she's like you got you. She grabbed my arm, and she jammed into her stomach where it was bent. Right. So I'm not holding her, and then she's like, and then before I run you hit me. And then you run into where you think I'm going to run. And you hit me again, even if you don't win it, but this hits, her means like a little bit of a shoulder chat tap them, and that didn't allow her to get up with the height that she wanted to get up at it didn't allow her to Turner hips to get the power on it. Like we saw Cristiani does with that neck that was not maisy, right. That'd be that was all next drink. She barely used her hip, sat, she most women's going use their hips, and their neck. Right. And she's like you hit me here and you hit me here. So there needs to be commitment to man-marking certain players on corner kicks and in any time he played a team that's strong net. You identify who'd is, and then you put your people that are not afraid to get in the mixer to do it. Boom, hashtag ask seven. No matter what question you had even if it's how to defend Wendy Renard on pieces, which no one in the world has figured out yet. And you might not win it. But at least you'll try Kate graph has at least an answer for you has at least an answer for you. She is K Margraaff. You've heard the voice of Julie Foudy on this podcast as well. I'm Sebastian Salazar. Thanks so much for listening, and we will be back tomorrow with more coverage of the two thousand nineteen women's World Cup from France.

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Road to France

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Road to France

"Welcome into the ESPN FC studios alongside World Cup and Olympic champions. Julie Foudy and Kate Markgraff. I'm Sebastian Salazar, we have reached the eve ladies of the two thousand. Women's World Cup. We've got an hour long show. We're gonna make you put your picks in brackets. So everybody can laugh that you in about a month time. We're also going to have a report from inside US camp from this morning. Such very exciting. But let's start big picture. We're gonna go group by group as quick as we can. There are six groups top to each group go through to the knockout round and then four of the six third places team will as well. Here's group, Ed Kate, France Norway, South Korea and Julia that hosts get the toughest group in the entire World Cup. This is a group of death compared to all the other ones. France Norway, South Korean Niger would all advance on their own if they had been in a different group. France, along with the US the co-favorites to win this tournament there. You see the odds are going off at seven to two in group b Germany, the reigning Olympic Champions League away. They'll be joined by Spain, China and South Africa, one of four debutants at this world, never bet against Germany, even if they struggled at the European championships. I think this team will do well in this turnament, and I really. Like Spain as well. The US played them in January and they looked very strong. You really like Spain. I really like group. See Australia, they've never made it past the quarterfinal round, but they are pretty much the favorites in this group joined by Brazil, Italy. And Jamaica, this is gonna be a high scoring group who needs defending. That's how three of these teams approach it Astra. Brazil Jamaica, very frontloaded for attack in Italy is the one team that's a little bit more defensive, this is going to be an expulsion, exciting group to watch Jamaica's Caniggia bunny Shaw, definitely a player watched on us to make us in this group, the England Scotland Japan and Argentina I love this. I mean that England Scotland game all ready. I wanna watch it, Japan and the last two finals. But I'm taking actually England to win group d England fresh off that third place finish at the last World Cup, two thousand she'd in group, e Netherlands, two thousand seventeen European champions Canada, New Zealand, and Cameroon and Netherlands are. So exciting going forward, their front, three or so dynamic. Canada is focusing on defense. The question is, how could as New Zealand? That's something we don't know in Cameroon showing up for that frican side. It's going to be a battle between one and two and last, but not least Rupe? St. Thailand, Sheila. And then a team we've seen a lot of of late. That's right. Sweden is back for a fifth straight World Cup the Americans and the Swedes will meet in the group phase. Forget about the last Olympics where Sweden eliminated the United States in the quarter-final round. This is turning into a pretty serious rivalries indicate it is, it's almost like a warm blanket that we were talking earlier leather, familiarity, breeds, contempt, not in this case, because they're both going to get through, it's just a matter of how they manage the group stages to see who ends up being first and second Sweden Dinna Julie consecutive World Cup six overall of the eight, but here's the thing that people forget the last time and the most recent memory of the US team has with Sweden is them knocking them out of the Olympics in two thousand sixteen the first time a US has never made it to a medal route, and that's fresh and that's burning. So when people say what will the United States do in that third game when they're both sitting on six points? We're making some assumptions there, but it's assumption, I think I know what they're going to do a little revenge might be on the American minds. Let's get a better sense of that. Our Alexis Nunez is in London right now where the team is finishing their preparations before they had to France. And this morning, she had a chance to speak with Alex Morgan. All right. You just had. You final training session here in England next up France where it's all goes down. I know you're experienced at the highest level. So what are the emotions like still nerves or excitement just to finally get out there? I think every day, like, especially at this training facility has presented self with it's different like challenges and just like situations. But I think in general, just become a little bit more like emotional highs and lows like even watching TV show, I'm like crying and like I'm laughing so much teammates and like it, you know. So it's really been fun being here. This is World Cup next. Yeah. I think it has. But once the game start, I think like that's when it gets. More real. And so we're just kind of like coasting right now. And just like continuing to like. Get together a little bit more and like conduct with each other on another level. And it's been really great being here in England to still get nervous, of course. I mean. Yeah. I still have nerves and I still have like fear and I still have like all of these things going through my head. But at the same time, I like I am lucky enough to have been through this a couple of times. So I hope that, like I could share some insights like two other players who this where this is actual time. Well, he goes, Sean does inside, you know, that the World Cup's are spread apart for years. So every year, you know, you have new girls coming in some of the other ones, just decide to hang up their boots so to speak. So what's different about this current crop of players? Do you think, well I feel like we were actually looking at kind of the roster and noticing that average age actually hasn't really gone down? But we feel this like youth will energy within the team. And I think everyone like a really difficult journey and a different one over the over the last four years. Years from Las World Cup World Cup whether that's our first World Cup or their fourth on. It's been really challenging in our own way in our own journey. And so, I think with that now having the twenty three here in knowing that this is twenty three for this next month. I think it's just brought players really close together. And like feeling like we have this comradery more than ever before. Do you think that's the edge that you would describe from this team? Not that the US women's team usually needs the edge because of course on paper, everyone will you guys favors? But what you think where do you think your strength is? I don't know. I think we play like a rolls really well within the team, I think we're all really supportive of each other. We obviously have that, like mentality where it doesn't matter like what the score the game is. And what minute it's like we believe that we're going to win at the end of the day. And that's like an important trait. Husband Sola messed in the history of this program. So I think there's a lot of things that give us like just a little while you've played in France that probably gives you a little bit of on edge on enjoy some good times there. So you've seen also the game girl there, too. So what kind of? Environments. Are you expecting in France? Oh my goodness. I'm expecting a great one. I know that a lot of the games are already sold out, and the French people are definitely gonna come out to support the team the team there. The local team there, obviously, and France itself. The women seem as really grown over the last few years, so they're having high expectations for their own team, but I'm just really excited to get France already, and then and then hopefully or looking forward to get into Leone eventually what we spoke about that. France on the game has grown there. And you just said that the fans are gonna come out and support the team on home turf. So that definitely does give them a slight advantage if you will. I think Meghan had said that she thinks France is the team to beat in this World Cup for you guys. Is that how you view it? Yeah, I think they're one of the top tier three teams that like we would definitely not want to face the later sieges who knows how it's gonna how it's going to end up, you know based in quarter semi and in the final England also another team that is continue to just grow and in such excel pace. Of the last couple of years. So I think those teams will definitely have a good run. Do you put your any expectations on yourself? Head of this World Cup. Because you have over one hundred goals. Do you set that bar high for you? Or do you just kinda take it day by day? Absolutely. I mean you have to set goals to feel like there's something to accomplish into feel like there's something realistic, and like just in reach. But like enough where it's going to push push yourself out of your comfort zone. So I have those goals in mind and I'll keep to myself right now. Right. And then what about goes now for the team, do you feel like given the fact that you ladies have just pioneered the game for women just women in sports. Do you think that anything but bring him out the title again home would deem the tournaments unsuccessful given the history of this team? And the fact that I believe, at our best we are the best in the world. Were expecting to go in there and and win this tournament. So we want to be on the top of the podium, man, I think, anything less than that will will definitely be disappointing to us each. All right. Thank you so much. Alex world in gale. Very candid interview there. I thought it certainly the beginning with with Alex Morgan. Let's talk about her role specifically and really the thing that she says there at the end that this would be a disappointment. They win. That's, that's the bar pretty high. Is that fair? Yeah. That's how we always go into these tournaments. I mean, that is the standard for the US team on the women's side as you go in, and you say, we're going to be on top of that, podium, that's the goal always, and when you're not it's considered a disappointment. And I think that is a fair standard because the US is that good. And we have that many girls playing, and that much more funding and support from our federation for so many years. And so that's the bar that these women want to continue to set. Because the resources the resources spent on an American player growing up from to anyone else in the world. It's quite different. But that talent gap is shrinking shrinking fast. And what I love is in interview, as you said, if we play our best we can be anyone in the past when we played, especially we could be eighty percent. We didn't have to have our best performance, and we could still win. They can't do that now was Morgan had a huge two thousand eighteen two thousand nineteen hasn't been the same. She's played ten matches for the national team only scored three times the she half the score for this team to get the place where it's not deemed a failure. Yes. Chiefs down to her. No. I the good news is, I think this front three with the United States. So Alex Morgan starting high in the middle and then Megan repeat honor left and Tobin heath on her. Right. I think those front three are together the best in the world, and I think repeal and Tobin heath are playing the best of their careers and they take a lot of attention away from Alex. It's hard to defend. One of them, you get two of them. You still got one left so that front three if they're firing this US team is winning. And they need Alex Morgan in that mix for sure. And Alex Morgan's better than she was a couple years ago because she went to Leone, and when she went to Leo, and she learned, how to tactically create advantages in open spaces to get to where her preferred shot in her preferred scene is, which is outside the right centreback between the outside right back on that left side on that Leffler whenever she's on that. That's the score. And that's area where she generally has highest success. So she is a better player. She was hurting twenty fifteen so she gets a lot of rap on from people. Twenty fifteen twenty sixteen people bunkered and she didn't solve that. So she went on her own. She got better. She learned how to solve it on our own. So I think the US is more dangerous because she's the best Alex Morgan that you've seen the last time that we saw the US the last time did we saw Alex Morgan playing was against Mexico back on may twenty six and here's their starting eleven that they use that day they repeal Morgan and heath across the top for those folks who are just tuning into the national team for the first time since the last World Cup. You'll notice a few things are different, primarily hopes, owes no longer than she's replaced by listener, but Carli Lloyd. Yes, she of the hat trick in the final against Japan is not in the starting lineup. This is being a critical discussion of late, one because Carli Lloyd is red hot right now and to because Carli Lloyd won't let the discussion die. She has said, I want to be a starter quietly going off into the night of this substitute role and let's rewind now four years to Abby Wambach role going into that World Cup a star a he. Huge star in the past World Cup very similar to Carly. And she knew her role was different mind, you she didn't come in firing on so many cylinders like Carly is right now five goals in her last four games for Carli Lloyd. But Abby new like my role is to come off the bench. My roles to be a cheerleader and stay positive. And that's what I'm going to take a lot of value in corley on the other hand has said, no, I want to be playing, of course, I should be playing. Why shouldn't. I be planning and even at thirty six but that's corley. That's what this team understands. And it's someone asked me recently is that disruptive? And I'm not really because, you know, that's gonna be it'd be she was like okay like okay Harley always wants more. And that's what makes her so great. So you wanna Carly that wants to be out on that field. Not to say she should be out on that field starting. But I think coming off the bench like she is the perfect role for her. She hoped the steam more as a sub I think she helps this team when other defenses are tired, I think, Carly has benefited from the fact that repeal in Morgan and heath. Pushed defenders back basically beat them for the first forty five minutes, and then Carli Lloyd is able to sit in those, those seams in those channels. There's nobody better on top of the box, making those runs in she's so aggressive and she's so smart with that. I think Carly understands that the goal of winning a World Cup is bigger than her role, the differences, she's been sitting on the bench with Wanda Wambach started the World Cup and then got bench, and you cannot have a temper tantrum in abbey knew that then, and I think Carl has managed it authenticity. So it doesn't create a distraction or an issue obviously, the role has changed. You've been watching the tape what have you seen from what Carly's doing now? That's maybe different or evolved, from from when we last saw her in a World Cup her movement, is sharper, her movement off the ball is sharper movement with the ball. I mean this game against Belgium earlier in the year in April, she pulls the defender away, you see your spot shadow there. And then she's so good in the air. She had another goal similar to this in this game before this where she scored just out jumping someone for the header and she's able to find the channels. And what? They do. Well, Kristen press. And this one is pulling to the ball. She's attracting defenders and what car the seas is, she says, okay? This space is opening up now behind those defenders who have step and her movement has been really good. What she's also been excellent about is once she gets the ball, look what she's doing with it. She's having the confidence to take on to create play make an to finish as we've seen. Let's take a look at the US group schedule then because we've been talking about this Weeden matchup, but it's really not to the very end of group play, and it could set up somewhat interesting scenario. Here's why everybody assumed is going to be Thailand and Sheila. Right. Same maybe for Sweden. So we could arrive at the group face finale with each team, having six points, the winner of the group will most likely get France in a quarter-final. So this really boils down to should the US the defending champion and the tournament favorites be looking at any way to avoid anybody even. France. I think the key thing is an approach the approach has got to be about building confidence in cohesion for minute management and player management and Jill Ellis can nail that regardless of outcome against Sweden if they win or if they don't their first or second, they'll be more prepared to face ever. They'll be put up against. I think you might wanna consider not playing France, but that's after the first group that's watching to see how they perform under all that pressure. Because problem with Francis. They've always crumbled under that pressure. Always talented, always just as as United States. Maybe lacking debt, that's not the problem. Now but under pressure under the lights they fold. But I don't know if France is going to play, right? Or US. Hugos. The one that he started this tradition. You go in and have a metal, you know what? That's you guys. Let's not win this, France. I'm with US does not ever wanna void anyone in, especially because they lost women January now they're like, bring it. We want them again. I love that the US loss to France in January in France, because that quarter-final is going to have the different meeting mind, you, it's a World Cup, but it's in Paris, and it's against France, the host, but that quarterfinals, the match up, I think they want. So I think for sure they're going for three points against we not only that, I think if, if you look at the US versus France in a very influential game who has more game winners historically that social influence, the only concern I have about that referees in the social influence of that game at France against France, all crawling referee cut. Avoid france. Your prize is Germany still pretty good teams tougher to be there you go. Speaking of France in there are plenty of other contenders. This the two thousand nineteen World Cup in France. We'll break down who are the true pretenders, maybe some contenders in there as well. Plenty more on ESPN. When you think about the one key to win it all. Bravery the players that show the most bravery. Other stars. And I think there are a lot of players on this team at our stars. And I think when it comes down to it, we will be, that's sort of like grittiness as well. I think is something that we always have over other countries. It's just a different different kind of, like grit into nasty when we're relaxed and we're we're flying. So I think that, that's the big thing for us when we are focused, and we're confident, and we know what we need to do what we need to accomplish. Were impossible to be. Who's paying Tobin heath Carli Lloyd, Mallory Pugh and other US? Soccer stars a lot of money to do. A new goal celebration called Hulu has live sports why. It's simple. Because Hulu has live sports. You can watch the biggest games and sporting events on sixty plus top channels no cable required. Plus, you can stream the entire Hulu library. Start your free trial of who today live TV plan required. Restrictions apply. Learn more at Hulu dot com. We know what we have out to do with superstitious. And we know that by saying, all those things the pressure comes. I think we should take pressures compliment because pressure is expectation. And if people expect you to win they obviously think you're off decent. We want people to talk about. We want people to have those expectations of us because that means people are talking about people write us, what we thrive on definitely I think we're not afraid to say that we'd like to do that. And that's the end, there's no point in going there, if you're not gonna win it. So why say that we're going to go there and we're going to lift the trophy I think we've probably have the strong squad going this will cope copen these expectations people precious, we've put on a self, we are the ones that set it with ones that said, we want to go and win a world co and the nation's got behind the someone. Okay. These are going to go and try win a world cope and we're gonna. Yeah. Web living ourselves. But they're actually just believe in us as well. We're not translate. And that as pressure would translate. I'm not support belief. So if not respect we're. In a really good place, the best place that we've ever been gone tournament. Hearing from some of the English national teams that are the last one Lucy bronze player that many best right back in the world. So we've divided favorites into tears, I was told that we're only going to be to their core. Four point seven or one point seven three somewhere in there. So there's a case you've got three and tier one and then England just below into your two. Let's take a look quickly Juliet, your tears. The difference. I moved Austrailia in Japan. Really? That's the only difference up to that one point five, but I will say this is the first World Cup where I've been able to count on more than one potential World Cup winners. And that's exciting for the women's game by far the most competitive World Cup that has ever visit, because guess what are investing in their teens domestic pro leagues we just heard from Lucy bronze for you. You putting in one point five tier. Why aren't they to one team for you? They have the ability and the players to be a tier one but there is so much tinkering by their manager single game. You have no idea who's gonna start where they're gonna start. So they're gonna have to get every single decision right every single tactic, right? And the special players will have to show up. There's a lot more things that have to happen in order for them to be consistently at tier one. I think just a couple of days ago, Meghan repeal made it pretty clear, you'll France is the team to beat. I heard you on outside the lines. I think earlier today saying that might have been some gains manship from. Meghan. It seems pretty clear that the US, France is the team to beat. Right. They've got so much depth. They have. But we've been saying this about France really for the last few World Cup. So what do the hold up and that, and that's the part with England? I think why they're not in my tier one is very similar to France's. They don't have the mentality yet to believe their winners. And I think when you get over that hurdle where Germany has that where the United States we of course know how's that. But when you have the mentality that, yes, we belong here, and we are going to do this finally even on home soil, which we know is the tough is a tough road to go as well. Even though you have all this wonderful support. It's a lot of extra pressure, but mentally is where I think the biggest hurdle is for them. What do you think about this French team? Where's their strength slash weakness, mentally, their only weakness. They are just as fast. If not faster collectively the United States. They have dominant wing the best left back in the game arguably the best midfield. Besides Germany on their given day. This team has everything the question is can they? Handle the pressure in front of their fans. And they haven't proved that they've ever been L do that outside the country. So can they be a team that does it inside their country? You mentioned Germany. I believe they're both of your other tier one teams. What makes this group Sogo? It's amazing to me that this team with a new coach, that's only had them for a couple of months lemberg. She was a former coach of Austria came on over a little bit late this Germany team that's on the ascension. They haven't even hit their full stride. Yet, their goalkeeper, though, has some concern Shulte kind back from measles for former club and country has been poor. And Marijan is coming back from pneumonia, who is the best number ten in the world. So the question is, can they put it all together in if they can? Oh, dear Lord. They are going to be so good. And so very because defensively they the clog all the scenes they are so well organized, it's hard to figure this German team out there were so poor at the last euros. They won the last Olympics. What do you see them going? Well, they've changed coaches, and that will help re coaches in three years. The last one as Kate was pointing out Steffi Jones, who played for them in our era actually, who has an American father. So we used to stay to her. Why aren't you playing for the American because I am German. She left or got fired after the European disappointment. And so this is a team that wants to prove that they belong back on the world stage. Clearly let's talk about the tier one point five since year twos. That kind of grays on teams, we think could be interesting could be dangerous teams like Australia Japan Brazil Canada Netherlands, in that group is at one of those that maybe stands out, like Netherlands, depth concerns. Me and their speed in the back line. I mean, they just have more items in the weakness column, but going forward, and they have Medina player PFA player of the year for the Super League over in England probably the best clinical finisher, there isn't a game, the promise she needs service. She can't create our own like a Sam Kerr Sam can create our own. And that's why astrology is up there in our tears. But I just love that there are so many, it's hard crushes pick one. It's not as being poor analysts, and it's not us not doing our jobs. It's more or it might be. Maybe go ahead. What about a team like Brazil to me? I mean, we haven't we haven't really talked about Priscilla throwing Martha because everybody knows whom aren't they killed in the game up to this, and it's such a sad story. Because when we play Brazil in the Olympic final in two thousand four it was our last Olympics and Mia myself, joy Fawcett. We literally said, oh, thank God that we're retiring because Brazil is so good. And that was a young Marta young Christiane a young for me. And they have had no support from their federation. It's something we've been talking about for years. And so what's happened is all these talented players who are now in their thirties for mega going to her seventh World Cup. They don't have anyone come through the system because they haven't built the system. They have created opportunities for young girls to play in their country. And think about that, Brazil, the mecca of soccer and still in this day. It's so hard for them to wrap their arms around this market and support the women and the girls, which is so sad. Because Marta six time world player of the year. Probably now retire without a World Cup without an Olympics. You mentioned for Migo forty one years old, simply remarkable as you mentioned seventh World Cup for the Brazilian. Let's switch gears a little bit because there's a great story over on our website right now about a team. We didn't talk about maybe contenders, but it's the Jamaican team. I really remarkable story of perseverance and helping hand from a place you may not expect. Right now. ESPN NFC dot com. A ranked list of the top twenty five players in the world. Go see number one right now on the website. Here's the top three most important players key distinction that we eat far analysts do we start with your list, Sam Kerr Meghan, repeat knowing, how, Johnny one point five tack her one. We. We. And then Kate your list of the top of important players has Tobin heat that number one, John Germany, at number two, and the aforementioned Lucy Ron's of England. Number three to start with you why have you pick Sam Kerr's the goals or is it the goals? She is an absolute game changer. We've seen that, what she's done here, professionally in the end of US cell, but she also does it at the national level international level for her country. And she's just cheat news is confident she's feisty, she's aggressive. It's the type of player you would love to have on your team because they lift everyone up with their play in their feistiness. And so if she has a tournament, which I think she can have if she has a great tournament than Australia's hopes ride on Sam Kerr, not put any pressure on Sam curve, and they do have they've balanced their roster. A lot more they still have a mix of older players in younger, but Sam curse, who they need to be firing for sure. I'm looking at your top three Kate. Just can't believe you put Tobin heath over Jennifer mater, Sean. I just can't we said most important, right? And Jennifer Mahjan. Show me of heath minute seven games 'cause she is still coming back in a moment. She's not full health yet. She is not she's not a hundred percent. One I talked to people in the German camp. They say she is not one hundred percent. We're going to have to limit firm minutes. But Tobin what she does the United States. Yes, she converts opportunities, but for me chance creations, not just for her other people for a team that likes to go forward and play transition soccer. She has the skill set to not only be on the end of the ball and to play a different. Silence. Oscar indie show build up play because that's gonna be key to bring in one of the most creative players along Tobin rose Lavelle so cheese. Very, very important. One thing I won't pick about your found a way to get a defender on there, which I can all. But there's so many good players at this World Cup. It feels like a weird detour but we have to talk about the players that aren't at this World Cup and we have to start without a Hege, Bert. This is a player for Norway who scored three goals in the Champions League final most people would tell you she's the best young player, if not the best player in the world right now she left the Norwegian national team in two thousand seventeen didn't feel like the standards up to her professional standard. Now it must be said the Norwegian federation is actually kind of at the leading edge of equality. And heck is still not rejoined the team. I'll just ask this question when you have a player like this out of the World Cup, surely, it must take some of the shine off, which should be a flagship Marquis of I think it's really hard when you see hegab are not perform ten not really wonder what the key issues were. And the thing is, she was kind of a base of about being gender equality. Well, the Norwegian federation stepped up and said, okay, we're gonna pay everybody equal. Now, the problem is when they did that she still didn't show up. And so just today. Poor timing. And yesterday, there's been news articles released our interviews in February when it talks about she was struggling mentally to be on the national team. She wasn't playing while she wasn't happy. She doesn't like the coaches she doesn't like the leaders on the team. Her sister was struggling, they got yelled after a team being late to a team meal. So there's more to this story, but my question is outta Hege Berg is surrounded by the best players Leon the best club in the world. A place for everybody wants to play. I think Norway just wasn't the standard. She would just like I don't wanna do that now for such a small country, that's hard and for such a small country for someone to have that kind of protest and to stand up like that. It's interesting that no other players, stood -actly. That's the thing that strikes me. So I, I have tremendous respect for her doing this, if that's what it's four equal rights and better treatment of the team, which she's talked about it without great detail, but she has said that, but why not get the team behind you isolated as an individual? It's so much harder to enact change with the US team doing there. Doing a very similar thing. But they've got the whole team signing this lawsuit. So to do it individually is such a tough road. It's one of the things we learned as a team back in the nineties, and now this team is carrying is that you have to stay unified. And so if you want to enact change, get the team on board with you, then what's horrible, though, is that now the Norwegian players at camp are having to answer hegab mush again, because of this article, so it's disappointing and she doesn't want that her personality. She doesn't want to be the center of attention, but just because the timing that happened with the media, and they release this article. So it's disappointed. Shame though, that we won't see her because she's such a good. Plus, she is, she's only in early twenties. How good she is again on her team. I wanna see her carry a team instead of being carried with others. You talk about the own. I mean there's there's a chance we'll see her in a World Cup again. But man for a player of that quality to miss it, it is certainly a sacrifice. You mentioned the US, Nash team, their gender discrimination lawsuit against the federation. This has been big news. You guys aren't in the locker room. So ask if it's. Distraction. But I will ask you, do you feel it puts more pressure on the team. I don't I feel like this is a team that has always had a ton of pressure. This is a different pressure this, this is leverage in your CA that you lose. We saw what happened now fix. But I will tell you, it's not like they're going into this World Cup having to attend to lawyers emails and deal with this case, this case is not going to be heard until after the World Cup. So when they filed it on March eighth International Women's Day, three months before the World Cup. They knew that, okay? We'll file it. We're going to tell the world. This is something that matters to us. We can't keep waiting on this, and then we're going to do business. And so I think they're really good at carpet, compartmentalizing actually stroke. And it's not a distraction because they don't all the work in advance. They proactively filed it. But more importantly, I think this is a team that needs to have added things to worry about in order to perform. Well, like more eggs in the basket when we were talking before the show, I'm like, it's a typical, Julie Foudy thing shut out he needed teen. Balls in the air to juggle, because, you know what that actually diffuse the pressure, and it didn't allow her so much time to think about performance. So it's good to actually have some sort of distraction, especially one where the outcome will not be decided during the tournament, speaking of fifteen balls in the air, you have another podcast. I do. That's right. Permitted, I think the season the first season is kind of in the books. Yeah. Bonus episodes coming out for women's world. Sovan heath who we were talking about impact she said, we also have, brandy Chastain and Christine Lilley doing a little ninety nine twentieth. Crystal done favorite. Brian is scurry laughter down. It's permitted. Who's paying Tobin heath Carli Lloyd, Mallory Pugh and other US? Soccer stars, a lot of money to do goal celebration called Hulu has live sports why it's simple because who has live sports. You can watch the biggest games and sporting events on sixty plus top channels no cable required. Plus, you can stream the entire Hulu library. Start your free trial of who today live TV plan required. Restrictions apply. Learn more at Hulu dot com. What do you tell young kid who's coming into their first World Cup? I always laugh when it's like advice. 'cause like I know that they're young the first Cup. They've been with the team for a while. And I know the expectations and the standards. I think there's just a tradition of winning nece that we try our best to continue to share believe it's just a moment. It's all it takes for you to win a match and you have to believe that, that moment's gonna come. If you want to have a great World Cup like you have to take it. What do you say to listen narrates she's heading into her first World Cup? She'll be getting some time in goal. I tell Eliza like own it. You're not those goalkeepers. You are you and you're Goria's and bone. It only eighteen we all believe very strongly in your ability. You believe strongly in your ability, make make your own name. Now, don't try to live up to all these other things. You have to write your own story. To do your own thing. You have to rely on strengths. Iraq for us back there year between those says the number one for us a reason something about his kid, you know, how to great experience in twenty fifteen it was able to learn a lot from that. I'm fortunate to look around in those moments and see ten incredible people in front of me who I know have my back and I have there's. Well ladies as we mentioned at the top of the show, things are different than they were at the last World Cup even the last Olympics for this team. No hope solo net for the first time, I think, since two thousand four Olympics, when she wasn't the starter at the beginning of the listeners, the clear, number one, how much will this team? Miss having someone is good as hope solo net go back. Let's even go back further. Let's go back five world. There's been either Brian scurry or hope solo. And when you look at those moments in a World Cup you just the last World Cup with hope solo. And some of those early group games against Australia against Nigeria she keeps them in the game. And so, I think you could credit the defense and hope solo for helping them get to a place the United States where they could actually win the World Cup. Same thing with Brian scurry back in ninety nine or even before that. So this is the challenge, because she listener does not have a World Cup minute, under her belt minute. She's bent at World Cup. Playing in a World Cup and sitting on the bench and a World Cup are two very different things. And the question Mark, I have in my mind is she going to be ready for that big safe because we've seen her she's got great moments. But she also occasionally has these moments where you're like wait. What happened here that seemed shaky so that's I think the one big question Mark for the United States. I think listen areas been tested more than any other goalkeeper though has because of the way the United States plays. They are very susceptible to counterattacks, which means the balls are coming at her different angles at higher probability conversion rates. So I think the better she is organizing the breakdowns that could potentially happen. The more her story will begin to be told and the more her legacy will be built, this wonderful opportunity for us to figure out the style scenario. We know hope style hope was incredible Bri was incredible for that. I get so annoyed on Twitter and I get so mad. When I look at my mentions, the rare times that I do, and they're saying stuff about a listener, and I'm like, let's give her time. In a World Cup. Not in these tuneup games, when she's got different players playing in front of her not helping her out in all honesty, because defense has been shaky. Let's see what she can do that. I'm very curious because we've been talking in the beginning of the show about leading up to this quarterfinal. So I wanted to get your best elevens potential. I know we're not supposed to look ahead potential quarterfinal match in late June. In Paris between the US and France. So believe Kate you had starting eleven plate for the quarterfinal match. We've got this wrong on this conference. Call by win. With this. I mean it's not gonna hundred percent look like this. But I would l- usually Lavelle is over by this is what we've seen, but they're going to rotate quite a bit. The question is for both of us. All say Julie is the midfield. Right. Is it going to be Karan? Or is it a Buick newest has been playing incredibly well. And it's pushing haram, who is coming back from injury after a fantastic if not best showing by a player in the world besides Sam current twenty eight. So it's going to be more. I thought this was the first match it was going to play. You. Everybody's looking for to France. So they want the one change as you just mentioned is in there. And I think actually that newest is going to get that first nod because she has been so hot and playing so well in these sendoff Ciragan, but I do think that they need haram planning like she was in two thousand eighteen for this team to win the World Cup. I think she needs confidence in minutes. And so, I would actually start that's who I think will start. I would start Horon to get her that confidence in those first two games where, you know, the US is going to get should get three points out of both those games. And this is what you know, can come up the bench and be dominant with haram. You know you have a player that needs confidence, you give them confidence by playing them. So harangued should start or that reason but is playing better. We've talked about the last Olympics. Fifteen of the eighteen players Jill took to Brazil are back, there hasn't been a total renewal of this team. If there is one player who's kind of new in the attack it's rose Lavelle for people who haven't seen her play yet. What can they expect creativity? Breaking down Compaq tight defenses, the exact thing that was missing in two thousand sixteen. This is why Jill Ellis. Coach of the US team said, hey, we need to be able to solve teams that play in this bunker compact defense that sit in on us, and we need to. Bring in players like arose, Lavelle, you see it in a Mallory, few, you see it in Lindsay Iran. These are all players that have this creative element that can break down defenses and she's going to she's going to need to do that in this World Cup because they're going to be sitting tight doesn't have major tournament experiences. Is that a problem, it could be we're gonna, again, one of those pressure moments to see how she perform? She's kind of a wacky character, she's unique, and she's fun to watch and I think that's her way of dealing with pressure. But I think it's fascinating is lengthened the extent of the United States, went to keeping her healthy. She is not a healthy player. She is often injured, but they would do anything in everything since the loss. Twenty sixteen to get her to be one hundred percent. They worked with her more than any player that I've seen the morgue with in this cycle to get her one hundred percent ready for this moment. If Rosa bell can stay healthy that improves, the US's chances to win this thing, almost arguably as much as it does of Tobin heath, and a repeal dominating. You guys know I gotta bring up one player crystal done. I mean this is a player who's so good in. Attack, yet, finds herself as an outside back. She's gonna play a role here. Right. And she'll play she could play all three lines. I even say to her, why don't you just jumping goal as well. You could do that as well. But yes, she's, she's gonna play a huge role and the last player cut from the two thousand fifteen World Cup team. So she wants to prove something and she is an excellent player. She's going to have an excellent World Cup. I think Rick break when we return on out it's ladies only about time. Guys to put your picks on paper. The brackets are out when we return. What's your biggest hurdle to repeat as champions? A lot of people are talking about the fact that we're defending champions out here putting pressure of defending this or that to be honest like, I'm, I'm here because two thousand sixteen sucked. Staying present not letting the noise around you affect what you're doing. Do get folks on performance is or media outside pressure. Just wanting to do it all wanting to do this. You've just have to win the game in front of you and stay like extremely focused. I feel like we have a lot proof, and we haven't won anything yet. So in my mind, it's not like we're defending twenty fifteen it's we, we want to win twenty nine hundred. It can't rely on people to do the same things that they did in twenty I think, everyone has to take ownership on our own performance play the hardship of expectation or defending the title. And like that's. All like all we're doing is exactly what we're doing in that moment. And if we can have that laser focus stopping. All right, Kate. The good news is, we don't have to have that laser focus. They talked about staying president and only looking at the present game. We are going to do the entire round picture. We're big picture picture going all the way to the final actually, and we pretty much have the same selection, you get your top two from each group and then four third-place teams, except for one which will point out, so I'm gonna do the side of the bracket you do that side. We're going to start with this round of sixteen Norway Italy, Italy. And its first World Cup in twenty years, remarkably even though they are much improved. I'm going with Norway to get through on this one England China I'm going with England, of course, and although this is good matchup Brazil's giving order older martyrs injured Frances at home. We're staying with France who and I like this matchup as well. This is another good game but comes as no surprise. I'm going with the United States of America. That's a game. I wanna see. Let's go to your side. Kate. So I agree with you, in everything except for this one pick right here. This is the third place team coming out of group, a this South Korea. I'm going to insert Nigeria. By the Swedish coach that led them to third kidding him on the last time around better defensively, pieces, a little dicey, but I'm gonna give it to them, even though south grade is very very good. That's one of those issues for me. But I'm gonna go with Austrailia who was so dominant and twenty eighteen but his currently leaking goals. So this is far as I haven't going, but I won't jump to that. Okay, japan. Canada has not lost a single game in twenty nine. Okay, good. Defensively are counting on defense wins championships maxim and Christine Sinclair so pan over there and so Germany Scotland Scotland up and coming team that's hard working has some world class players. But Germany is full of world class players one of the teams that can win this and to me, they have the easiest path to get into the knockout stages Gotland I'm gonna side do do. But it's Zarqa twenty fifteen. I like him. But. All right. And Sweden Netherlands, Netherlands, one, the euro, this team on the up amazing attacking talent offensively questions. Unlike Sweden, but I'm going to go with the Netherlands, adding in their fun to watch. I like it. All right. So let's skip over to the quarterfinals on my side. I am going to take England, of course, in my first semi-final sorry, quarterfinal. And then this is the match that everyone wants to see this will be the quarterfinal in Paris mind. You United States lost to France in January in France. Three to one, I don't think they're gonna lose twice to France in the same year. Although this is an excellent French team. I think they are going to crumble under the pressure, like they have every other time and I'm taking the United States of America typically, France. Let's go to your side states, mental monsters. All right. Ustralia Canada, this is where I think still yet has been overrated with the coaching change. I don't think they're solid in the back there slow in the back and I think Christensen Claire them, interesting them in there. I agree with you. This is where we totally. I got going like this. You think they're going like this, and Germany Netherlands, Germany's just so solid on the break on the press. They're going to be able to play pass the Netherlands quality front, three and set play. They dig struggle at euro two thousand seventeen others reason though, they're coming back, Steffi Jones gone. All right. And for the final going in. I think this is a great match up as well for the United States. It's another tough one. It comes as no surprise, even though I think, England is much improved. They keep running into these good teams in the semi-finals. They have the toughest route like that side of the bracket is incredibly difficult. Whoever created this in the continent as poss-. It was really tricky on that side on this side. Germy just has too much class. They're going to beat Germany. They're gonna canned excuse me. They're gonna go here and this the match. Yup. Don't you two thousand three? When we lost its every year. This is all the time to the best teams in the world in World Cup championship performers come up in big moments. And I am going to go with the United States. Detto say the US to take it all going through Germany. And as you might know the women's World Cup is not the only tournament happening this summer. So make sure you tune in begins beginning June fourteenth Copa America. We have the English rights on ESPN and streaming live everywhere on the ESPN app against June fourteenth. Reminder, you can find ESPN NFC daily over on ESPN plus we cover all the comings and goings around world football. We should also let you know that on the ESPN podcast coming up every match day of the upcoming World Cup Kate. You and I are going to do podcasts. Did you know has been written into your contract, yet you look drawn hearts around thirty two days of Payton? It's gonna be fun. We're going to be here in Bristol, which is wonderful and lovely, and you're shipping off wears, I'm sorry. You want me to spend a month in France. I'm sorry twist. Man somebody's got tower agent. France. What's that what he plans plans? Follow a little US probably catch a couple of games croissants, on dying champing. So basically, you're not working the whole time. Doc restores. What your town for Julie? Kate. 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"This show is presented by Hulu, which has live sports, watch live games, and all your favorite teams live on Hulu. No cable required. Live TV plan is required. Restrictions apply. Welcome into day three of ESPN AFC special coverage of the two thousand nine thousand nine women's World Cup alongside longtime US international World Cup champion Olympic champion Kate Markgraff Sebastian Salazar. It is great to be with you guys Kate. It's great to be with you. We had a tripleheader today in a super early wake early NAT as early as my wakeup call. Yes, we'll leave that maybe for the back end of the show. Yes, we are all in many cases here. Juggling many balls on both the our workfront and the home front. And so you love those, those four thirty AM super early. Yes, it's awesome. If you've been listening to this show, you know, that we've been operating in a specific order to this point, we previewed the day's matches in the first segment, then we sorry, we've, we've recap the day's matches in the first segment we'll preview the next day's matches in the second segment, and then in the third segment, we'll kind of get to the news and notes of the day, now we not doing that. We're mixing things up today. We're actually going to move back for talent. Just is gonna move that final segment. The news notes segment up into the second segment today p 'cause we've got Julie Foudy in France. And she has interviews today with not just Julia. It's but also a listener. So we want to get to those a little bit earlier in the show than we thought we would have operating under the previous order. So let's get to the games, then our early wake-up started with Australian Italy. We really didn't know maybe what to make this game because we didn't know what to expect from Australia. I guess I'll be honest. I didn't really know what to expect from Italy, and about ninety seconds into this match. If you weren't awake you awake. Damn. Yes. Like that. Right. I think we dubbed this, this group, I said, this is the no defense group. This is a high scoring open huge space group. And I just wanna kinda I might hurt my arm right here as I like Pat, my own back. Yup. Because this the it wasn't compact defensive organization was. Was a mess. There is so much space, which made it really exciting and to end. Right. Australia had a first Sam Kerr, their twenty five year old, captain, who is showing leadership not only vocally but how she plays a gets the first goal of her World Cup experiences hadn't scored before in this setting. So she gets one off a penalty kick, but the big talking point for that first game was. Penalty. Yeah. I don't know. Man, I VAR though. I think to me, it's the VAR to me. I mean that's all Sara Gama Italian defender, the event is captain, Italy, captain, she got beat on the inside, and she got beat because of Sam Kerr's anticipatory movement prior pulls her way. So then all of a sudden she gets square and then Sam agile she just cuts in for that one. Hot second. And then Gama pulls her down. Sells it really. But as kid. Honestly, I'm like keep your hands down that has got to be chicken wing up, right? Mid body. And that's how you always know where there is. It's not hands 'cause you're gonna grip when you lose right? Just natural reaction you'll grip and that means groping jersey, you'll pull someone down if they're smart. They'll fall. So for me, it's just I I'm like, maybe she gets today with that in the Syria, like AB she gets away with that. Sara Gama, but that was stupid. And again, we see another captain centreback making errors in this World Cup your. That's veteran player means she's, she's centreback. She's thirty. She's, she's the couch, and she's you Venice's kinda like stoic defender. This is a player. You don't expect to make that mistake that said it's a mistake against Sam Koerfer, right? Like we've all been saying for the last four days, Sam curse the best in the world. I don't expect Saragan with all due respect to Sarah Goma's share curriculum, and CV up to this point to beat Sam Colonel expect her to be isolated one on one either. I mean, it was a straight up TV to recall Italy, had by a little bit of a bang of Baja how big is their name. The Italian player say. By a little bit of her bangs they call hers back her goal off-side back. Right. So Australia goes up on this kick bar. I get it is absolutely PK. I understand Italy shouldn't have put themselves in that position to start with. And this is the start of the defensive errors that were happening all game long in the beginning, if you're if you're planning against Australia, your game plan has to be, I'm going to nullify the wings because that's where they have their pace Ellie carpenter on the right. Fullback was torching anyone that was on there just blow in pass people in creating and sitting in half channels to pass it off to whoever was in advance of her. Italy was getting tortured on both sides. I mean yeah. By australia. So that's the one thing that I'm like ooh. Did you not scout Australia to know that's their strength? Right. They're going to be attacking what have you. And then you're going to try to hit him on the counter. Right. That's which is what they did with the beautiful ball, just on sale was off side. So that was really interesting to me to watch. But then the second half a little subtle adjustments. By italy. They do you know how carpenter only got down, maybe once in the second half very late. She did God very Larry good that was it. Right. Because they had someone who held a little that higher. And that made all the difference to me in Italy stability. They made a couple substitutions as well. Different types of player and bona say the one that, by the way, again, Pat are back high five virtual hype. I'm just a one player. We mentioned that was gonna make be key for them to goals. Yes, she's been number eleven. You saw her could have had a hat-trick, right? And each of her goals had a little something that I just really appreciate it. And you appreciate what does even in the first one, you know, the one that gets ruled off side. She's she's falling. She's fighting off the defender kid finished advantages to finish this the goal the first goal the goal she scores. She's falling. Slipping as she hits the she hits it. So, well, either still so solid or technique is so clean that even though she loses her footing. It goes, but you can appreciate if your foot slips, like that, while you're trying to hit a ball, it's usually not ending up in the back in that, where you want it to go. Right. But it didn't matter. Accuracy was, so the technique was so solid. It really impressed me. And then, of course, like the header at the end, there's, there's, you know, just the willingness to go up and get it, but to beat Sam Kerr to find the little nook and cranny of space. And let's Leila. Had a nightmare. He do not come out for that ball winner. And I think what I love about her goals is one she the one that dot call back. She created that through excellent timing just a little bit too early. I'd almost Italy had a problem in this game. Is that reading the Australia was gonna have Highline? So again, a scouting issue, they were off side, so many times in that second half, which made no sense, but it wasn't so much the attacker, because all you always lend the attacker for being off side and being ill disciplined, it was actually the extra touch that the Italian player on the ball with take instead of just hitting it on the second touch. So that was an air. But Baja I love that first goal that actually counted because it all came from defensive pressure. She was doing the defensive work. She was ready to pounce. She picked poking horns pocket and that wasn't the first goal of the day that we saw off centrebacks air being too casual on the ball. I found it very interesting because we had yesterday said this Australia team had issues defensively, and, and you will have them go. And but I think they're over. I think they're overrated. We've said there are the chic darkhorse pick. I had them in my final. I don't feel great about that. Now the point is like thirteen seconds into this game. Italy got behind the goal that gets called back as ten minutes into this match. It's a total break away in behind Australia is if it's Austrailia is weakness, that they're slow at the back, and I think it was pretty evident today that they are, why are you playing a high back line like you repeating everything. I said, so. Oh my word, why would they? Why would they be doing this? It's I'm not a footballing genius. And we said this was going to happen, and it happened to media, Italy mmediately got behind right buyer. They still doing this the definition of insanity. Right. Like we saw with Scotland in the first half today. It's like if you see something, not working at what point do you fix it for Scotland? They made the change. But for Australia, they haven't made the change in this has been going on since militants took up residency as the head coach in February. This has been a problem, giving up, eight goals from February, and it's because of this high line. It's not because people are combining and playing this beautiful soccer around him is just silly stuff. Like not realizing your players don't have the pace and that you're midfield isn't putting enough pressure on the ball to prevent that long service. So the bigger picture question here for Austria is can they be saved or these flaws that we're seeing are they fade on specifically? I wanna focus on a player that you've named already. The number four Claire poking harm. She was. I thought really, really clearly. At the center of a lot of Australia's defensive issues to, you think she's gotta get moved out of that eleven and now, I don't actually think she's the issue at RAV, while I know I think it's her Perner. I think it's the her centre-back partner. I think that is a lot of Kennedy is playing out of shape. I think a lot of Kennedy's should be a, a center mid the problem is, she's better as like that six, and they're not going to move in agreement out of six because her dad's, well she's a good player, but also from dancy assistant coach like, like there's a lots of things going on, and I'm not don't jump in and say, oh controversy Cates saying mean things. No, seriously. Yes, like ooh, Hello. What is it call the nepotism? No, I'm not saying that Potiskum at all. But I'm saying this is the system that they're going to play. And I think it can work if they drop off a little bit. But that's going to demand a lot more of their center mids, and it's going to shift them a little bit. I don't think there's anything wrong with them, sitting back more and looking to poach. They're going all in. You can go all in and play tacking style. If you have. Fastener backs and they don't one more thing on Italy before we moved to the next match because I have so many games, we gotta we gotta keep getting, we Barbara bonus at she was so much fun to watch today. You're going to see more of that as long as Italy's in the tournament. She's twenty seven years old. She plays for you Ventas. She stated that she wants to play professionally outside of Italy. I can't imagine. And she may be one of many players that this is true for after the World Cup that one of these teams that starting to spend big money, whether it's in France or in Spain or an England. Or if anybody in the end wwl wants to get really truly ambitious is not going to go after I would I would pay to go watch that player if she was planning, I live in DC, I'll say, you know, like the Washington speier I would drive out to the burbs to watch her play. That's the type of player. Right. They don't get me to go. And, and so I think I hope the folks that you've mentors have enjoyed her. Because man, I got I got to think that she's destined for for bigger things. Question I want to ask you Kate is, is Italy destined for bigger things. Is one I don't think they are. I think I think they'll get. I think they potentially now could get out of the group. Okay. Yeah. But now the question is now I don't think winning knock, it can win and knock out. I don't think they have the depth I think, and also their goal is to get to the knockout stage, their goal is not quarterfinals it. When you read everything it's like we just wanna get the knockout stage, I think they are in the process of rebuilding. They are cycle too early. So Australia came into the tournament having some issues they'd allowed eleven goals in their three matches prior to their World Cup debut, those issues do not compare at all to what was happening with the Brazilian national team. They lost their last nine games ten of their last eleven matches things are really bad. And then they got worse. When forty eight hours ago we found out that Martha was not going to be available for their opener this morning against Jamaica. We thought, oh man Brazil is headed drifting crash landing in this tournament. I you show they're still not. I'm I cut you off in the mid thought rattle you though that was. That's my question were the reports of, of Brazil's demise, greatly exaggerated. Or as what we saw this morning and what we must say was a convincing win over. Jamaica, simply a reflection of the fact that Jamaica is the fifty third ranked team in the world. I think Brazil had a challenge as well as Jamaica in it. They're playing players Justice athletic as they were. So Jamaica solves everything with pace and hustle. Brazil solves a lot of problems with pace in hustle, because they're usually faster than individually and collectively than ninety percent of the teams in the world. Today. They ran into each other, and that was fun to watch because I wanted to see how Brasilia was going to handle it. Brazil, handled that by outnumbering Jamaica and Jamaica, did not know how to absorb the numbers and also the got really stretch and their midfield got completely dominated, so they couldn't make the play predictable, which would help out their back line. The reason why the scoreline was in different was because of a nineteen year old. U N, C, Wilmington, goalie, Sydney, Schneider riven amazing performance. I mean, and she wasn't even necessarily the, the guarantee number one coming into this tournament. She saves PK's, right? Yeah. That was a beautiful PK, but I don't think I think Brazil was excellent movement in that first half they played well I thought if without Marta. This is the beautiful thing that I think 'cause I played with Christiani and for me. And for mega is the one of the best players overplayed with I have never seen her be out of position to the point where she has to recover and sprint. I actually don't even know how fast she really is. She is that good. Her position is the best I've ever seen at any six in the world ever, not only when I watch it or when, when she played in front of me we called her the silent assassin. So she is just this robot in there, and you'll see her do those last-ditch tackles. But you never really see our chase forty yards which is the reason why this is this is her seventh World Cup. She has that longevity because she doesn't have that physical wear and tear because she's so smart because of her veteran, leadership and Cristiani veteran leadership. They were outside the shadows Marta and sad is that Marta wasn't there today. Christiani will arrive when mart is not in the picture because she wants as much attention as Marta. It is always been hard for her in my opinion. This isn't coming from her. I think it's always hard for her to sit in Marna shadow when she is very capable of standing on her own two feet would be a start on any other team when you talk about Brazil, you only talk about Marta. So what do we see? We saw history being made today with Christiani with Regal's the oldest player in World Cup hissed. Sorry to score three goals. They're basically the same age, Martha's thirty-three Christianity's thirty four. So they've been playing kind of in that. You can see why Christine has been in that shadow for effectively early her whole career you were teammates with her and what? Oh, nine again until two thousand ten. She was. Yeah. She was my last team it. She had a horrible season. She was horrid that season. It was totally unfit. So what I saw today was a morph it, I just don't know if she's super fit, but she was fit enough to be able to sit high. I thought the veteran leadership was crucial for this team. When Marta wasn't there and they did it now. What's concerning is, is what happens when things start to go wrong. The Dow in the conference before the manager manager said someone asked him. What are you going to do? What changes will you make if you guys on the problems and he's didn't have an answer? We didn't have a plan b in wasn't because he wasn't sharing it his response was the biggest challenge. I have is knowing how to quiet, loud, girls and locker room something along those lines. Space and I'm paraphrasing that is not saying the derogatory part about the girl part. I'm just paraphrasing. It's more. His comment was, I haven't figured out how to calm down how rowdy they are in the locker room. He ever heard a manager say that before. So that's their manager. So if they don't go far, it's only because their federation does not care about women's game. Well, it's interesting, you mentioned that in two thousand nineteen right from the build up to this World Cup Brazil has played five games compare that to ten for the United States. The US is scheduled seven friendly's Francis, scheduled seven friendly's candidate scheduled six friendlies how many of these is the Brazilian federation scheduled in a World Cup year. Many to, you know why. That. Oh care resources, not just care because you have to pay for the flights and then the host team hosts you right? Once you get there. But you gotta pay for your team to get there. You gotta pay the staff to leave their job to get there yet. The pay the players per diem that's money, but also effort, it's human time those resources capital and human effort. They are not willing and never have been willing to give to the women. What scares me is that any losses. This team has those recess resources are going to be even more. We've heard that story before, too. From other federations in other tournaments and other teams where makeup. And also, like I remember I think, in the Olympics summer, New Zealand like literally players felt like they were playing for the next bag of cash from the federation support the programs which puts an an amount of pressure on players that I think, is, you know, this toxic in the nicest way you could describe it. We're mowing through these games and we're still not moving fast enough are sorry. My the finale, the grand finale. England and Scotland a game that we really like were excited to see because of the natural rivalry between the two nations. They've been playing each other on the women's side since the early seventies. But the talent gap seemed to be rather large I'm excited than that the game even though it didn't feel close for large stretches at the end did provide us a quarter hour of drama. Scotland obstacle. I think the seventy eight th minute for two to one for the rest of the match and there was some tension. And I'm sure that the people watching back in those countries where absolutely glued to their TV's. And so, in terms of the spectacle, we got it, maybe not the high fine football spectacle, but we got the dramatics right, right. And kudos Scotland, right. And to England in the sense that they got the first game done, and they both had good positives to take away from it. The first game is all about the result and less about performance, if you get both it is an ice cream sundae cherry on top after your first game just ask Germany. Right. He but if you were to compare the this game against the Germany game you say England looks better than Germany even with. They only. One by one goal. I think if you're watching England that first half you are very excited. Perez and bronze good. God on that, right? Hand side. Good luck. Try and defend that. But Scotland my big question and I actually started getting angry. And then I was really happy. I wasn't calling the game because I was like alter your tactics. It's really easy. If you know you have a dominant player and Paris was on it. She was making a difference. And so was bronze pushed the ball the other way. 'cause item thing Mead was that good. I didn't. Yeah. She had a goal, right? But I think she had a goal. I didn't think she was that good. I they she was in there, because of excellent service tone to get dug in has thigh-injury. They didn't they didn't player. So she gets the nod I didn't think she was great. I didn't think green was that great. In fact, she was responsible for the goal and not being able to clear in the bad defensive positioning. So the left side is the weaker side for England. So why would you ever try to play them and let them go on that? Right hand side when Lucy bronze who is deathly, the best right back in the world. Torrent is a close second for France. So that was the thing that was watch. I was getting really frustrated with a little bit of tactical changes. They frustrated Kirby who didn't have a great game. But Fran Kirby England's number ten Felix game you know what I mean? I think I think it's hard because she's so good. But sometimes you see it. And sometimes you don't but are you going to keep playing because the magic is there. And you, you the potential is air, and you hope it gets realized game she's also that style a player who is being feel like phased out of football like, the, the kind of like high sitting playmaker that the traditional ten she hasn't ten and you don't see that anymore because teams play like way, more system e than here's my playmaker. And I'm gonna throw other players around them could cost up. I haven't thought about because she to me, it's like the classic like the s you know, like ten like if she if she really if you ever gave her that role though, it'd be, but I don't want to go too far in on England because the rest of the tournament wins. England I you can see there's quality you see the shape you see, like that's going to be a tough team, but it wasn't a great performance. I should've put the nail in the coffin a lot earlier in that first half you said you were very excited or if you're watching England you should be very excited pre-tournament you had them in the second here. No, I had one point five. Okay. But it's the second tier the one. You're why was why was why did they do whatever they did against Scotland was enough to move them up a tear in that first half. Yes because you got to see what they do. Okay. But the second half makes any put them down so that so basically, if you regress it to the average. Sorry like my master's slowing on it goes back to one point five. So the second half the final pass took too long. They took too long to move it forward. And they Kirby was nonexistent to mayhem him convincing right now. And they needed VAR, like, I it was, I mean, it's the rules of the game, it's annoying. There's no way defender can actually go up for a ball anymore and try to stop it. You cannot play with your arms to your body, but it by the rules of the game. They got it right. All right. And since you mentioned it Paris. Now, white the two scores for me. Yeah. For, for England are at time for us to take a quick break. On the other side, Julie Foudy will join us from France with interviews with both Julie Erz, and a listener, but I who is paying Tobin heath, Carli, Lloyd, Mallory Pugh, and other US. Soccer stars a lot of money to do. A new goal celebration called Hulu has live sports why. It's simple. Because Hulu has live sports. You can watch the biggest games and sporting events on sixty plus top channels no cable required. Plus, you can stream the entire Hulu library. Start your free trial of Hulu today. Live TV plan required. Restrictions apply. Learn more at Hulu dot com. Welcome back to ESPN FCC special coverage of the two thousand nine thousand nine women's World Cup. K. Mark raft. Sebastian Salazar coming to you from Bristol, Connecticut. There's a third member of this team. We haven't heard too much from her, yet, she is Julie Foudy, and she drew the. I guess who would say the long straw, right? Because she she got the trip to France, the long straw and a bottle of champagne and a bega- as well on sportscenter. We need to get hitting journalism right there. Yeah. We need to get the Foudy agent treatment in our contracts, and we can have fantastic center. I don't know about you. I know. At least I am not yet at that level. I do believe Julia has been doing some work though, over there. And France taking some some time away from the pastries and the champagne and some of that has obviously involving around the us, women's national team as they gear up for their opener, which is Tuesday against Thailand. She did a couple interviews with players for us today. The first is with a listener. Let's listen to that now alright Elissa you've been watching these games. The US is still two days away your chomping at the bit. I imagine what Steph and like it's been exciting to watch the games, we've all been kind of stairs, and just to see all the energy in the stands and here in France. And there are people in the streets last night after the Norway game and honking their horns all night long. And you know, you could just feel that energy and get anxious just want to get. On the field and just wanna fly, you are in the two thousand fifteen World Cup, of course, but this will be your first World Cup that you actually play in. What will that moment, be like for you? What's going through your head, as you step out onto the field? A lot of things going going through kinda can't really pick one emotion, you know, just excited to get to get to be here, and you represent this team represent the country where the crust, there's a, you know, a rich history with all you guys that have come before. And I'm just excited to be the to be on the field. The last five World Cups have been either Brian scurry or hope solo describe what it's like to follow in those footsteps to amazing, you know, great players with great careers. Two of the best goalkeepers to have ever played the position. And I think it's been you know, it's exciting to be able to follow them, and hopefully that, you know, this is, you know, it's just an exciting time, and I have a lot of respect for, for the both of them, and who they were as player. And what they brought to this team. So just ready to, to step on. Who do you want the world to know about a listen air? I would like the world to know that, you know, I'm just I'm just here to help my team win whatever I can do to, to help the steam win right now in twenty nine thousand nine that's my goal. That's my focus and looking forward to getting it started. Awesome. Thanks. So they're the word civile listener. And our intrepid reporter Julie Foudy from France, where she is with the US team, a Kate anything from that interview jump off the page to you. There were two words that, that, that really pop to me. But I wonder if you heard, and I feel like you're the type of person that likes to find the thing that you can potentially turn into an issue or controversy. So instead of like saying my vanilla statement that I was going to say, I'm really curious to what you were going to say, well, just whenever you here, and we, we know the narrative around the listener right as it is her first World Cup. I think there's a lot of US fans who are curious to see how she's going to perform it is one of the big story lines around this team. You know, I don't want to say that it's as good as she is, is how far that the US team will go. But I think you could make a statement somewhere to that effect. But when she says, I'm getting anxious. I know what she means like watching the getting anxious but you hear that from a goalie and it just sets off some like they'll ding in my. Brain. Yeah. But I think everyone's getting anxious, that is the worst is this, a waiting period, and you're starting to see all those goals and all those shots missed happening as you're sitting in your hotel room, and even though you have excellent, like mental capacity compartmentalize and block stuff out at some point when you're haven't been able to play in a competitive environment where you're really getting after it. I think it's like wait, what I save if I'm her or we would I wait, what I would I be able to get down like the way that Schneider did for Jamaica on that penalty? That was great say, with a strong hand or Guiliani with the first one for Italy. Right. She saved it. But unfortunately, she pushed the rebound into Sam, crews able to capitalize on it. So I think she's I mean, I think they're getting anxious than they have to wait anymore. I mean, I think it's just going to get worse each day. It's interesting because everything about Elissa Maher is in the shadow. Let's be honest of, of Brian scurry, hope, so the these kind of legendary goalies that the US has benefited from since nineteen ninety-five in that, right? When the US opened the term in nineteen ninety-five scurry was the starter and CBS either in, in World Cups anyway, either scurry or solo I will say this. Both of those players seem to have at least my perception of it outspoken personalities kind of larger than life personalities. The one thing we know about nearest. You can hear it in that interview. It's that's definitely not who she is. Kate. Does that matter though I don't think it does matter as long as she's able to express her quality without having to expose a personality. I don't think she could be a back up to hope solo without that personality. Every single one of hope Solo's backups that stayed along stayed for the duration of a cycle, or a little bit under the radar, and there's always going to be an alpha in a relationship, whether it's a partnership on the field, whether it's a partnership in the goalies, and if you're the starter your, the elva whether that's personality, or whatever you as the backup have always got kind of fill in where the space is that same thing with Bri. There was all the two-goal keepers. Heiner were becoming betas? Right. They decided not to be the alpha, I and Bri, played better because of that, and hope played better when she wasn't threatened. And I think Elissa K that this is a personality and it's also she was a great backup for that reason, because she didn't threaten hope in a way, personality wise or however else wise, at from on the field, but it's going to be interesting to see how she performs because there's so many questions, she probably has the most pressure out of anybody on the US women's national team, and people are hammering her, and I feel bad. It's just because she's not outgoing personality that people were also making these judgments that she's not explosive and she doesn't have this ability to command the bucks, I want to ask him what NWF sell game if they watch for the registrars are playing well the United States played a three five two when she was in goal against top teams. And they got crushed the United States is playing with one less defensive personality on the field in their current formation. She thesis more shots and quality shots per game than any keeper in history. Therefore, her percentage saves we'll probably. Go down because the quality, the shots have gone up. Cannot compare apples to oranges. You mentioned hope so being kind of the, the alpha and dominating the headlines shell so Kate dominated the starts. If you look at all time, US players, there's only one goalie who has over two hundred caps and that's hope solo and during her time with the national team, you would hear these voices every once in a while. Like, hey, why aren't any other goalies getting caps? And when you look at a listen, there and the big knock against her, I think is just the lack of experience of her forty five senior caps, how many of them aren't friendly's like how many of them are even games that you would say slightly important like a she believes Cup or something like that. And then you look at all the caps that hope solo crew over the years, and you wonder man, some of that experience might have been better might the program have been better served now getting that to narrow, and I'll wrap a wrap up that thought with this, when you look at the other goalies for favorites. France England Germany, Holland, Australia, Brazil, who's had. Goal since the beginning of time, all of those goalies, right? There are other goals in the tournament that don't have a listeners experience the favorites goalies all pretty much have more experienced than listen there. And that's what worries I think, should worry US fans. Is that lack of critical big game experience? And I think that is real whatever you wanna say about a listener as quality. Yep. Yep. You nailed it. But I think the US when you get to big tournaments, they've always gone short-term, thinking, sort of long term planning. And I think they were thinking how can I get this goalkeeper ready to be ready to go in the World Cup where it'd be confident in the she believes because that's our big thing. And if we lose that then people will start chirping, and so I think continually through every single cycle for the twelve years, I was on the national team in the eight years, I've been watching is that they always do the short term, and it's a big detriment that they didn't have an opportunity to play them more. But I also get it. The reason why you have so many you have three stars because of that tactic as well. So that interview with listener, then brought to us by Julie Foudy who's in France. She also had a chance this morning to speak to a nother starter on the US national team. That's Julia Roberts. Let's listen into that in a row now. All right. Jewish even watching all these games house, the team feeling and you still have two days left really exciting. I mean I it wants a first. Game when I was like, okay, it's here. It's the real deal started. But honestly, it's just like fun anticipation, like for for our game and just excited to, to start our journey two thousand fifteen was your first World Cup. This is your second. You're a veteran now. But you're also you're also World Cup champion, how different is it this time around and how has that impacted the team? Yeah, very different. I feel more experienced so I definitely feel different. I also playing a different position as well. So I think mentally I'm kind of feels like a whole whole new tournament in many ways speaking about the position change. You were starting centerback back in two thousand fifteen now you're in the midfield. What do you love most about the midfield? I love kind of being closer to the attack. I love being closer to the other team's goal as well. Yeah. It's just been a really fun challenge for me to kind of really. I don't know. Like learn the different challenges of the game that soccer gives you and. A challenge that, that I'm very grateful. For what do you prefer? Oh, I know because they both have like so much unique like beauty in themselves. I would say midfield district because he can out a little bit more creativity. But other than like, either one. I love both for different reasons of both. Good answer. All right. Two thousand sixteen. We're all talking about, of course being World Cup champions, but two thousand sixteen is something still near and dear to your heart, the United States loses in that quarter final to Sweden. What impact and affected that have on shaping this team? I'm huge. I mean, I think it's anytime, you know, I think when our loss you learn from it, and that's important for us and I learned a lot of things from that game. Obviously not how I wanted to learn from the game. But otherwise, I think it lit a different type of fuel in me personally, but I think, yeah, it's, it's just another piece that you that you kind of put it in the back of your mind. But you don't want to completely be gone because it does feel your fire and it's I know that they're in our group as well, but kind of have to focus on first game now. So that's kind of what I'm doing. And when that comes I'm excited for that challenge as well. All right. Thanks. You'll speak. You. All right, there, the words of Juliet's Kate. I'll just jump right in where would you put Julia? It's because she seems to have like a lot of opinions on it. You can tell when the question was asked usually did not want to answer at all. She was like I gotta be nice here and say I really liked the position where do you think she's best? I think she is best. Unfortunately, we didn't develop a six quick enough, and I think she's excellent on the back line. I really like her on the back line more than I like her in the six only because I think she wants to be an attacking midfielder at times when we needed to hold and I think if she's able to hold her defensive discipline in really shield that back line, especially when Kelley O'Hara is going up, right? And crystal done is going up on the other side when we take this big expansive attacking shape, we need someone to cover our backs. And I want to see that from her, and we need we need that organization. We need that anchor, and that's our that midfield. So she does that I'd say she's going to have a fantastic. Term. It can't be disciplined to stay though, because she wants to go and score goals to that end. I mean how important just is that experienced the Julianne Aster about having won the tournament, especially thinking about that midfield like Roosevelt relatively new to this level. Get question Lindsey Horon is, is has been here before, but but is, is maybe not at the steadies moment of her career due to injuries, Sam US, if she breaks in the starting lineup hasn't been here before like Julia is going to have to hold that thing together lateness tournament if she's not spot. Yeah. Every single line has a leader, and that is done through inspirational play or experience, and, or a combination of both and she is the leader for that line. Which makes her positional disciplined, like I'm talking about, so critical. She's going to have to win every single airball that comes in right? Because Karan likes to push up unless muses in their amused can help her out. She's going to have to stay and get those tackles in to break up play. But more importantly, what I see is the biggest issue for the United States defensively. Sometimes they don't they don't. Cut out passing channels in the half seems and that's what I would love to happen. More often through rotation of those three. Do you think there's a chance that we see Julia Roberts in a center role at some point? Yes. Tournament either as just straight up one of the two centrebacks, or maybe as a third centerback, because I feel like that option has not yet been discounted by Jill Ellis, even though Alex clearly likes or it's in the six ooh, that's a good question. I think we'll see her there, but I don't know in what shape or form, okay? Because that was my next question would be like in what situation is that to hold onto a lead to go chase? When do you when do you need to move to the back like why just depends whether or not the partnership between dole Kemper, who is the right center back in Sauerbrun, the left centreback, how that partnership is going if I other than either of them are having a nightmare, right? And they're not able to rebound after I get bad game. Or if even this sub who is tearing Davidson comes in and doesn't do. Well, that's when you move or back. But the problem is, if you move or back and it turned sour. You have. No pace. So then it's like, okay, what are you going to do? So then you're in it. It's just it's domino effect. So they I, I can see it happening, but it's going to happen because there's an epic failure on the back line. We're always, of course, and we've said this before and we'll say it again, building up to what we think will be this quarterfinal between the US and France and Paris. We know Juliet's is really, really good onset pieces, specifically in attacking set pieces out obviously in defending them as well. I think anybody that's thinking about that matchup thinking about what we saw with France is seen about. Wow, like an earth in bulk t matchup or Renard matchup, like does aerial duels it. Son, who the other midfielder is who she gets. So if you as plays meals is going to get is, so that's the question on what the match ups that if. Why are you talking about the quarterfinals? But I know that I can go there, if muses in there you in Thailand, you won't do it. Thailand. All right, then Muslim Mark Renard from a hyper hype perspective. And then she'll get him back bought the typically, she's either sitting in the front of the six and that near post, if you notice this France corner kicks, they're all going, mid six backpost, six. So then mbacke body would fall to her. If Moose's in, if news is not in its Horon. I could see that switching and I can see that going to Julie marking Renard and about Bobby, we'll go to ran but no body also pulled out a bicycle kick in that game. It wasn't just like winning an aerial duel. It was coming back out. And instead of just heading back down, you know away from the goal looking for someone to run onto it and strike it. He's like, nah, I'm, I'm a centreback. I'm pretty talented. I'm gonna get the sing on frame with the bicycle kick. So they're going to have to be turned on every single step. He's it should be very interesting. I know you don't like looking ahead to the quarterfinals. Is it okay up next? If I headed tomorrow, is that are over there. Yes. 'cause we will get our first look at a at a couple of teams that feel like he'd been flying under the radar but might might just be prime for a semi-final showing or maybe even something about about a pan and Canada. We will discuss their debuts next. Hulu is paying Tobin heath Carli, Lloyd, Mallory Pugh and other US? Soccer stars, a lot of money to do goal celebration called who has live sports, why. It's simple really. Because Hulu has live sports. You can watch the biggest games and sporting events on sixty plus top channels no cable required. Plus, you can stream the entire Hulu library. Start your free trial of Hulu today. Live TV plan required. Restrictions apply. Learn more at Hulu dot com. All right, Kate. We are looking ahead to day four of the World Cup in France just to double header after we've had a couple tripleheader stick really kinda get us into the flow of things been exciting last. I know it's been a lot of we. I know against the, the wishes of our producer here. We have gone a little bit longer as we enter the third segment. So we'll try to get through tomorrow's matches rather quickly. And we're gonna see two teams we don't really need to focus on the match ups because I think there are actually like. There's a they're not going to be very competitive, but the two teams that we're going to see for the first time tomorrow or to me, superintending Canada and Japan, and that's because we haven't talked a lot about them. Let's start with Japan. This is a team that has been in each of the last two World Cup finals. And yet, we haven't talked much about him leading into the tournament, and I think quite a bit of that has to do that. There's been quite an overhaul of this team since the last World Cup in a lot of had revolves around the fact that they didn't make the last Olympics in two thousand sixteen in Rio that was a real shock at that tournament. So this Japan is not the Japan. We saw on the twenty seven finals, not the Japan. We saw in two thousand fifteen what are we going to get? That was because of a generational shift. They got caught in the cycle with having too many old players and after the twenty fifteen debacle in which they totally crumbled in the World Cup final anymore. What team that was against the United States onset piece defending good Lord and then Carli Lloyd just has herself. Day, right in scores a hat trick, twenty sixteen same players and they crumble, so talk a Cora, who is under seventeen youth coach comes in and just overhaul. Some basically says cya to most the team knock Casado who plays for the red stars. Right. She's at not even asked back in any type of seriousness. She makes a fifty player pool she pulls up tons of her under seventeen a hundred tons for under twenty players. And then she is go, her whole goal is to that them to give him experience when they play the United States in the she believes back in February earlier this year, it was had seven starters had less than five caps. So this team has been tinkered with based on who the opponent was. And so there have been different personalities based on who the Ponant is. And she is purposely done that she has said talk a core in her interviews that I hope I keep the opponents guessing they don't know what we're going to throw at them. And that's exactly what we have tomorrow. So this is. What you can count on for the strength is coordinated press in repressed. They're always going to count, press you, especially in the wide channels. She's, they're gonna keep it really compact in keep those channels, so narrow with lutts and numbers and bodies and they have just excellent technical decision making collectively, those players know exactly where to go, and they're so well trained that they're touched never lets them down. I think that's what we've come to expect from Japan. Right. Is a very technical team a team that can can beat you on the counter a team that we saw in the two thousand seven two thousand fifteen World Cups, that can really ping it around. And as you mentioned, I think it's under twenty four years of age. I don't remember the exact numbers like twenty point eight or twenty three point seven. But they're one of the younger teams have not the youngest at this World Cup. And usually you don't see that from a team that's considered a favourite. I have to say next that I don't know if Japan is considered a favourite anymore how far off favorite pace. Are they for you? I think I think they're playing for twenty twenty I think they're hosting the Olympics. So this is an experience, that they, they they're gonna get in the knockout stage. I don't think they are looking towards this is to be like the sign of pure success. They're looking about how can this pay dividends when we're hosting the Olympics, and we wanna put on a good show in our country, but they're pressed defensively, and where they sit in the channels gave the US all sorts of problems. That she believes they could not figure it out. They could not figure out how to get out of that press, and their cheeky. They'll take a step off. You see you can play and they'll come in the pick your pocket. So I think they are gonna be really fun to watch. They'll open up against one of the debut taunts in Argentina, a team that sorry nation and a federation that has recently professionalized its domestic league, the extent to that professionalization I think we have yet to see and how seriously, it is taken. We'll go a long way in the future of Argentine football but it's good to see a country like Argentina get a team into the World Cup. There's some talented players here. I know one specifically that I've seen a lot of is there number ten. So you think Argentine number ten should be printed, right? Has to find you buzney. She's played in the N W sell for, for few years on and off, again, with the Washington spirit. She's a very talented player like she'll she will definitely catch your eye at times. I don't think she's really got too much around or her or enough to to threaten this Japanese team. But I think Argentina's, one of these interesting stories that will be happy to see for a first time, right? You're going to see some creative skillful play individually is just a matter of collectively what they can put together, as well as their fitness level, because they haven't been exposed to this high level of performance on a continual basis. A lot of play football put Saul Benitez is a football star. You'll see her police, John. She can play up top, or wide on the striker Luxa competence. I think she wins like a free styling competitions all the time. Also, she's very talented on the ball. So it's gonna be fun to watch the individual talent Kyle, if it can be expressed but Japan will easily win this game. Sorry, I misspoke Argentina making their first World Cup appearance. Since two thousand seven g lays the South American debutante that I was thinking of their this other game in the group is Canada and Cameroon and candidate for me feels a lot like Japan another. Well, another team that's floating a little bit under the radar a team that if you look back in the last two Olympics has. Has won bronze twice. That's not a small accomplishment. I think that's worth noting in just the general progression of the Canadian women's program. They seem to be a team that is in the other kind of opposite end of that generational rebirth. They're kind of like hanging onto a few of the old veterans they've done a nice job, bringing in some young talent this Canadian team. But they're really still built around the players that were the faces. I think of the team that hosted in two thousand fifteen. Yeah. Yeah. I mean they're first of all, they are organized around defense. They've played nine games this year to against top ten opponents in Sweden and England they've only given up one goal against them, right? They have five wins and four draws in. I'm not saying it's gonna be a thrilling game. It was hero zero right for a lot of those ties. So they don't put up a ton of goals. But if they're going to put up goals, it's all gonna come down to one of the best players in, strikers that has ever played, and she would be a household name issue, did not play from Canada. And if she played the United States, and that's Christine Sinclair, who is chasing, Abby Wambach most goals ever. She's five behind her. I believe I think she's at one hundred seventy nine at this point that's exciting to watch. Sinclair is one of a few players here that I look back at kind of like the veterans like desert Scott. So if you Schmidt, Melissa Chapman's, they're right back has been there for a while. Even they're younger players like the door. Ski zadora. She's kind of like a veteran at this point. She's been there for a while. Even some of the younger players could issue you Buchanan has been there for a while lockdown. Centreback Ashley Laurence enough credit. She's a consistent performer. She plays for PS g she's good. Excellent won't be one defender. That's what you have you have what those, those players are young. But they're like I feel like twenty two or Jessie Fleming. She's at UCLA like Jane, Becky Nichelle prints. I, I'll tell you what I did the, the qualifying tournament for the two thousand sixteen Olympics Concha calf all of these players. Prince Becky Fleming. We're getting run in that tournament. They were getting around. It's like seventeen eighteen nineteen years old. So now like, yeah, they're new young players. But they've, they've got like thirty forty caps in some of these cases. Veterans oxymoron in this case at. All right. Really good job. They've been really good job mixing. It must be said they, they've done an excellent job in their development of players in giving people opportunities that, but this also at an assessing they have a small country. And when Diana Madison goes out, you needed to have number players, right to go in and fill the place. And unfortunately because I don't have a professional pro league a lot of employees in the United States, but it's a smaller number a lot of players retire early. So the only place in the only source for talent is young. I like Julia gross. Oh, I don't know she'll get any time. They call her like the Canadian messy place for Texas. I think she's wonderful in the same the gaps excellent half term. She is very slight. And I think she's going to get pushed off a lot of balls, especially since Cameron. That's not the game. I play her in. Yeah. It's, it's an interesting one Cameroon as a team that you really have to dig to find any information about that's just the reality with a lot of these teams who are still building their women's programs. Like you get down into Latin America Africa in some of these countries in Asia. It's starting. It's brutally hard to find to find much information. I will say this about Cameroon. They've got a lot of players who are not playing domestically. They got a lot of players in like Norway. They got a lot of players in France. They've got a lot of players in Spain. So they're, they're getting their players out there getting a little bit better competition. So I think, you know, I think, again, another story like Argentina, great to see them in great to see them getting this opportunity. I actually think Cameroon might be a little further ahead than people expect just because when players are. Yeah. And I think they when they played Nigeria, I think they in the AFC the qualifying tournament to get into this one. I actually thought they were better in the run apply. And then it just didn't work out from they went to PK's, right? And the Nigeria Gus Lord. So I think this is a team that is more solid and. People expect and they also have an a domestic player in a style Johnson, who will give them some defensive stability to NWF spirit before that Philly. She played for Philadelphia under Pol. Riley is a good experience. Defender. This is defender, I actually was surprised was never brought in with the US national team when she was playing outside right back before Ellie Krieger stepped on the stage. She had a couple of good years in her. She reads the game. Well, and she'll be valuable source of experience on that back line. W cell phones will remember her name from a long run with the spirit. And now sky blue FC since we mentioned it earlier Christine Sinclair sitting on one eighty one on one eighty four so Christine Sinclair needs four goals at this World Cup though. I mean, I'm pretty sure she's going to be around for at least another Olympics. He'll I think that's going to get it. Do it like in this World Cup. And, and, and what would that mean for a Canadian run? All right. So some, some pretty interesting ups tomorrow, plenty to to be excited about as we head into the first full week of the World Cup over in France. We do have some submissions from our hashtag, ask seven Kate, which we have in trending is they've strong tired. It's hard to break through. There's a lot of good content is a very strong way of describing what we're doing right. Hey, we're, we're recording in studio. And we've just we've seen Alejandro Modano Dan Thomas in shock his lap. Walk by just great to see the voice from Miss America Avon by us, right? We'll, we'll be on their show a little bit later on as well. Look at this, this is from I am that Sam IM seven Kate thoughts on var- implementation seems very disruptive not necessarily helping the games respond in Dr Seuss linkages that. Everybody wants. Everybody's talking about VAR. It was certainly a topic yesterday, kind of in a different way. Today was really revolving around, these handballs like and it, I don't even know if it's VAR thing or if it's a rule thing it's a real rule things thing. And the var- thing is actually great because, listen they want women refereeing the games. Unfortunately, when you're picking global from a global pool, there are a lot of women that don't get high quality games, so then practice so you come in these real cuffed, and sometimes you get horrible referees, and I know it's a hard job, and I never want to be a referee, the amount of abuse, they get so, take that, you know, just keep that in mind. I'm not slagging the referees. What this does is it equals the opportunity for everyone to get a fair game. Now the problem is it's not far. That's what does. And I actually think it's helpful thing for the offense like we've seen, but I wasn't thinking so much about handles in the box. I was thinking set pieces, when you get held sound like this is going to be great for the United States because they always get held, and then they'll be able to get more opportunities on them. But. But it's the rule it is absolutely role. As a defender, you cannot go up and stop a ball by keeping your arms close to your body. I actually thought the the Italian one was wasn't the one where there's one today. That was like that shouldn't be called. No, it was the Jamaica one Jamaica Brazil. First goal that Cristiani scored is a PK. The girl actually had her chicken wing close to her body, her elbow, was just a little bit out and it hit that and they called it, and it was not intentional. Her silhouette was expanded, but it was not an intentional situation. Now, what's the difference between that and Lisa Vanna one that, that doesn't get called that we look at and we I thought that was shoulder? I didn't think Lisa van is was bad. I did not see it. But I, I wouldn't have wanted the least savannah to be a penalty. Okay. What if you if you say that the one against Jamaica was a penalty than to me you? Yeah. I, I didn't see much of a difference between Jew really hard to tell the difference between a shoulder or the arm begins like the van one and wear. An elbow is that's. Obviously part of the arm. So I think they're being super literal, because they don't want to get in trouble right? They cause referees also get a valuated like they get a ranking after the game, and they wanna they wanna make it to the show. They wanna make it to the knockout round. So they're trying to get it right. The rule is wrong. We'll needs to get changed it. This is I hate VAR for handballs unintentional handball. I just think unless you like van wick, which drove me nuts like that is stupid defending not today. Right. Scotland was almost on that threshold when she had her arm out, right? That was a little bit. If you for me, I know why they gave it I agree. But that was probably as far as I would go in terms of giving them the feeling is that the call may be right by the letter of the law, but cheap goals are being awarded I think that's what fans nature to this handball rule in it stinks because you see it called one way. And the non another way var- is just dependent on the referees usage. So it's still not reading the subjectivity because. Based on the ref wants to call VAR over hush tag asked seven Kate, the best way to get your questions to us, and we'll do our best to answer them here on the show group d gets underway tomorrow. It's candidate Cameroon and Japan versus Argentina good. Couple of games for Kate Markgraff. I'm Sebastian Salazar. Thanks for listening to this special edition of ESPN FCC women's World Cup coverage.

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Is Carli Lloyd Better Than Ever?

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Is Carli Lloyd Better Than Ever?

"This show is presented by Hulu, which has live sports, watch live games, and all your favorite teams live on Hulu. No cable required. Live TV plan is required. Restrictions apply. Welcome into episode eleven of ESPN AFC special coverage of the two thousand nineteen women's World Cup in France alongside Kate Markgraff who played twelve matches over three different people. World Cups of the US national team. I'm Sebastian Salazar, you love that every day every day. It's a different nugget. In case you're just tuning into the pot, every every day, I try to find a different way to introduce Kate. Yes, her her honors her teammates over a career are that, long the list that I think, we'll make it through the whole tournament, something different. Although at the end, we might run out of the good stuff. So maybe won't be so flattering today was the start gate of the final round of group phase play, which is exciting. Because now we're handing out tickets to the round of sixteen feels like kind of the opening of the tournament where everybody's you know, feeling each other out feels like that part of the tournaments gone. Like, now, it's for real, there's definitely an R N is analyst where you're you make these assumptions about teams. And then sometimes you are dead. Wrong. And then sometimes you're like I wonder and then you're confirmed and other situations. I think the groups that were tighter got exposed earlier, the teams and that'll benefit them more, I'm a little bit nervous, the United States out of all the groups that group is the weakest group in terms of the haves and the have nots and it's translates into their performances Sweden, and US a has a rich tradition. Lots of resources Thailand. Chilly, not so much. So that is the one takeaway, that I have for everything. It's like, okay, the United States and Sweden there tournament is just beginning starting on Thursday. So today, we saw groups a and b wrap up France Wynn's group, a Germany wins group B, we'll get to all that a little bit later but we're still just a few hours, remove really from the United States three nothing win over Chile on Sunday. Carli Lloyd, one of the big story lines there. She got the start. She got a couple of goals both coming in the first half. She did miss a penalty at the end. But when you have a good day like that. Get a couple of goals in a World Cup game. The only way you can possibly finish it off is to speak with our Julie Foudy. So here's Julie and Carly from I believe the team hotel after Sunday's victory over cheated. Thank carly. You are the first player set another record tonight to score in six consecutive World Cup matches. How did you feel out there folk? Great now is going to get a ninety. Records- records. Honestly, I just wanna win a World Cup and another World Cup and help the team in any way possible. But, you know, great performance, you know, we had a lot of changes out there tonight and it was great to see everybody on the pitch. And you know some some good services set-piece goals. So it was really good. What message do you think you sent to the coaching staff tonight? I don't know. I've been trying to send a lot of messages every game. But, you know I it's just nothing changed. You know, I'm just trying to be better than I was in my previous performance trying to be better every single day. And this really is the best version of me that there ever has been and, you know, I know that my Bility's there, I know I can contribute, whether that's starting playing ninety whether that's coming off the bench. I'm going to be ready. So we'll see what happens. But I will be ready for anything. Tell us about that goal celebration after your first goal, please. We'll actually Lynn. Z her an who sits next to me in the locker room. She actually mentioned to me. Hey, if we score a goal, we're going to do a just a really quiet, golf clap, and I'm like, okay, cool. So she said, you know, obviously celebrate, you know the way you want. But that's what we think will be funny. So, you know, I, I did my, my celebration and then went over to the bench, and they all just kinda did the did the little clap, which was fun. But, you know, those, those team celebrations are fun. And that's what they're all about seven changes in the lineup tonight still dominating performance by the team. How good is this team feeling about itself right now? I think really good. You know, I think you know, over the course of two games. We had twenty players step out on the field, and that's truly remarkable, and we knew going into this is gonna take twenty three players it's still going to take twenty three players to win this. But now, we had a real this leaves up because we got a mountain to climb and Sweden's not going to be easy. It's gonna be a tough match. We've obviously, you know, made it into the knockout rounds. But we gotta take care of Sweden. I and. Yeah one game at a time. Congratulations. Art kit. So here from Carly there. She does mention the record or Julie. Did he's now scored in six straight World Cup games? Dating back to the two thousand and fifteen World Cup. That indeed is a World Cup record. The one line of that interview that jumps out to me is, when she says this is the best version of me that there's ever been you've been around for all of the versions of Carli Lloyd from the beginning as a teammate, and as a broadcaster, you've seen her grow. Do you agree with that statement? I think that currently has a way of framing every situation that she's in, in a manner in which from, which she can be confident, so when she is playing in four four two and one of the two center, mid midfielders, and she's asked to go forward as the ten like as well as playmate incentive others and help defend a little bit. She did. And she thrived in that and she found a way to turn it into this is the best version of man. I think it's just telling that I, I feel like she says this all the time, but in different ways it just really depends. On how much the coaches lending or play. You know, there are times in the past where Carli Lloyd has been benched due to poor performances, and honestly, rightfully so in my opinion, and she gets upset about it, but then she goes back in, and the beautiful thing is. I don't know if you call second chances after benching because there's been so many of them that, then she just destroys it. So I don't know if you're a coach, if you kind of know that this is coming, and you kind of bring her down, you know out for the rebound, right? Like, sometimes I'm wondering, like, that's maybe what I would do with code of coach. I would know that I need her fresh in June. So I'm just going to kind of bring her down, like Pat summitt her like breaker down a little bit and slowly, give her all the resources around her that she can build herself back up and just seeing that trajectory before you saw it in two thousand eleven she gets benched. You saw it in two thousand eight she was playing decently. But in the Olympics, she turned it around, so that she ends up scoring the school against Brazil that had us winning it. And she was excellent. Defensively that game we didn't have much offense. But the one chance she had she connected. Beautifully. She gets benched in another major tournament. And then she slowly builds back in, because someone else got injured sandbox got injured, then she goes back in then she does excellent. She doesn't give that spot backup. So I would say, Carli Lloyd has always been one to figure out a way to frame the situation, mentally whether and then through her words, whether I work harder than everybody I should be playing is, she's always giving her self confidence. And it's so funny watching all the different players, and how they psychologically deal with the pressure. It's unbelievable. The amount of pressure that you're under. And that's her default. Some people are self deprecating like an Emily summits as a self self-deprecation person, right? Alex Morgan's like always setting goals and talking about those goals repeal the crazier the better right? It's a way of distractions because some people need absolute distraction or play well I hope solo needed distraction to play. Well, Julie Foudy need distraction to play while so for me it's fascinating to see how everyone else responds. So Carli Lloyd has this reputation as. A big game performer like a big goal score. And I think you and I just soon that, like everybody knows all those, but the reality is that Carl he's been doing this for such a long time. I'm not sure. Maybe if people have been following from the beginning of career. So let's go back through kind of some of the greatest hits. If you will, of Carli Lloyd, I think everybody will probably think, and I'm gonna work from present-day backwards. Right. Okay. So instead of reverse kinda universe reverse chronological. Right. We're going back to we're gonna we're gonna end at the kind of origin stories cigarettes may you know that. Right, exactly. Yes. Yes. Actually, is literally on my rundown, Carli Lloyd resumes. What's written? I didn't read, let's go back to the thank you for that. Let's go back to the US is last major tournament the Olympics, we were there for that one now might not feel like a major goal now. But probably the, the high water Mark of that team was in the group phase when they beat France. And if you remember that game Kate, we were we were in the stadium for that hope solo stood on her head US probably didn't deserve to win, but Carli Lloyd gets a late goal in the eighty second minute game winner. And that's just maybe the latest in a big tournament against a big rival late goal that gets you some important points. Of course in two thousand fifteen everybody remembers the final write the hat trick to in the first five minutes three in the first sixteen what people might not remember as clearly, the semi-final against Germany. And she scored the penalty to put the US up one nothing in the seventieth minute and more importantly, is that there was a lot of pressure on that penalty because it was just after Celia sausage had pushed her shot wide left on her penalty against hope. Solo in that same semi finals? So there's a lot of tension there. And she gets the big goal two thousand twelve she gets both goals in the two one win over Japan in the Olympic final sheets. An early header any right-footed blast that is just like quintessential Carli Lloyd, hitting it from outside the area, two thousand eleven the quintessential moment of two thousand eleven eleven is the cross from Meghan repeal Abby. Wambach right. Carli. Lloyd plays it out to Meghan repeal. That's a stretch on that stretch. I don't come back to a good one two thousand eight the Olympic final. It's a one nothing victory over Brazil Marta. If not at her peak pretty close to her peak. She gets the game winner in the ninety six minute a shot from just outside the box left-footed surprise surprise some of the biggest goals in Carli Lloyd's, career have come from distance. Always something that she could do. Well, I wonder you were on that field in two thousand eight what do you remember about Carly's big game performance that night? The thing that makes Carl unique is her ability to concentrate in these key moments or other players might be taking a break that shot that she scored an away. It kinda came from something that was just playing and we're able to win the ball back. She's takes got broken play. Right. And then she couldn't converts on it and her, I thought is always to go, so the combination between her concentration, and then her decision making in these pivotal late game moments is the reason why for training has been, so beneficial to, to put her in the situation, you know, she always talked about how she's so fit and. Wrong, and stronger, everybody else better than everybody else. But of course, she thinks that and she should because it shows, right? Because she's the one that's executing in the eighty eighth minute when you see, for example, today when the Renard not executing in the seventy th minute, right. So hasn't trained herself to the fatigue, that then you still know how to capitalize when you're dead tired. So being Carly right. Big game. Moments use the one who shows up it's all because their ability to concentrate in those moments and she's been starting games you can go all the way back to the two thousand seven World Cup. She wasn't starting every match that tournament by thinks started either two or three of the five matches that the US played my one other question on Carly at this point Kate would be, how many minutes, does she need you sit on yesterday's show and you've been pretty adamant about this. You don't think that there's much wiggle room in jail Alice's mind as far as Carli Lloyd becoming a starter to she need, then thirty minutes? Can she make her impact in fifteen in ten like what is Karl Lloyd need at this point in her career in terms of playing time off the bench? It just depends on who she is. Going in force performance level at this point, she is going in as, as a nine right? She's going in for Alex Morgan. So it depends on where Alex Alex Morgan off after sixty minutes, probably. Right. Well, it just depends. Right. And then just McDonald equipped herself very well. Not that you're going to go to just because just has not does not have the experience, nor is improving that she can be big game but she did have a header clean off the crossbar yesterday. And then when they put Carly down in the eight after they put Jess McDonald. And as a center striker they input Carly down. She was slow. I don't know if you noticed her her touch is, she can't catch up to her touches quickly. She could. Right. So she's best in, when she can just exert. Those powerful two or three yard bursts running onto things, which makes her only really nine. So are you willing to the only way, I think that works? If you go if you want, Alex and Carla Hills anytime you've got to go to a four four two and have her kind of play how Abby played when Abby and Alex refers paired together and abbey's always intended recipient on that. I ball and Alex Morgan is always peeling off to the left. Pick up the second very interesting. I think of Carli Lloyd is play who doesn't need a ton of time. That's my initial thought. When I asked that question, it's like, yes, of course she's going to want thirty minutes. But when you look at just how like brutally efficient she tries to play, it may be one of those who are like, sorry, Carl you've proven that you don't need much time to act. So like, and I think keeping a player like Alex Morgan confident and playing is also important so watching not just it's not just how you get Carli Lloyd on the field for Jill Ellis, its who you're taking off. There's so many moving pieces to all this stuff that I think she's got some big decisions, and I would say Kate, like unclear or difficult decisions still remaining, and how she manages that will determine whether or not her World Cup cam- campaign is successful. I mean that's in this man management has been superb up to this point. And yeah, you got players that are unhappy because they're not playing. They they're open about it or there would prefer to play different positions. But they're asked to play the ones that they currently are placed at, but she's been clear with. Them. She has told them this is where it's at. So how she manages, the next part will will determine her, her success last time around July was proved she can manage the Abby Wambach situation. Very well let's see how things go this time. We have another interview coming up from Meghan ripping also with Julie Foudy, but first, who is paying Tobin heath Carli, Lloyd, Mallory Pugh, another US. Soccer stars, a lot of money to do goal celebration called Hulu has live sports why it's simple because who has live sports. You can watch the biggest games and sporting events on sixty plus top channels no cable required. Plus, you can stream the entire Hulu libraries, start your free trial of Hulu today. Live TV plan required. Restrictions apply. Learn more at Hulu dot com. All right. We mentioned that Julie Foudy has been very busy in France. You did speak with Carli Lloyd. She also spoke with Meghan repeal. Let's listen to that interview now Megan seven changes to the lineup. How do those changes actually impact you going into this game pas? Actively I think obviously more people got a minutes in their legs, more goals, spread around getting everyone on the same page with a good feeling. And then for those of us who played the other night, get a little bit arrest in kind of turns the tournament into hopefully a five game bounce for us and not a seven the last time you all played Sweden in a major tournament was the Olympics in two thousand sixteen of course, that quarterfinal loss. How fresh is that in your mind? And how much do you all talk about it? Not that fresh to be honest. I mean it's been a long time. A feel like our squads very different their squads very different a whole new tournament. Obviously, we know they beat us and had a good game plan and feel like that was an area of weakness for us when team sit back on us like that. So we've worked a lot on that since then and focused on that. And hopefully better beside Thailand, intially or not Sweden. This is going to be a different game. What will fans who are watching the game see from this US team that they didn't perhaps e in the first two games. I mean it's going to be way, tougher obviously just from physical standpoint, you know, they're a much stronger team much more organized, you know, defensively and tactically, just a lot smarter than I think the, the other two teams. So it's gonna be a battle, we're going to have to be really patient, and you're probably not going to see five goals, or three goals, or maybe even two goals in the first half. We're going to have to break them down and kind of play the game within. The game in order to open it up for us with the mindset going into this game knowing a win or a draw in Sweden, possibly set you up and that quarterfinal against France. I mean wins for us we want obviously to have a good performance but in the World Cup. It's all about winning each game winning sort of each little battle and moving onto the next. I think you start thinking about trying to set up who you're going to play. That's a little bit of a slippery slope. So if that, if that happens, and we advanced and fortunate enough to play France and a quarterfinal, then we'll welcome that. Thanks, darling. Kate bears, Meghan repeal. No. With our Julie Foudy repeated certainly, one of the more popular players on this team in recent years, I found it interesting. They're talking about the Olympic defeat against Sweden. Like, yeah. That's a while ago. And it was it was three years ago at this point. But I wonder how long those like big hard to swallow defeats last I don't wanna go down negative memory lane. But you had a few in your career like how long does it really take you to get over as less a ton of big games? Does that make you feel in you part of the reason why lost and I was you? That was not me guilty conscious of. Don't frighten me over there. I think you'll never forget those losses. And if you don't figure out a way to use that loss as a way to motivate yourself and instead, make that tear down your confidence, then you're never gonna go far in the sport. And you will never get this level. So they they're not thinking about it. I agree to the degree that maybe teams in the past have because there has been a lot going on in the past three years for them off the field. So I think they have been disrupted a little bit in terms of the typical processing of what you do. And maybe that's a good processing that just like you. Don't put unnecessary attention on something once you've internalized it and moved on. But I think that's something that has got to motivate you a loss. I you know, you always hear there's always, I called the ninety one hers because ninety nine is like it really was like six people driving the show and ninety nine and those are all the people that played in ninety one. And they tell the story about when they lost ninety five they had a. Picture of the Norwegian team, celebrating in front of them when they lost in the semifinals, and I wasn't on the team in ninety six but that motivated them and in ninety nine what motivated moon abated me was knowing that they lost ninety five though I wasn't on the team yet. And then what? So I always use those past defeats as a way that whenever you're not actually hundred s focuses need to your mentally, not in that sweet spot that zone. They call it the interpersonal zone of personal functioning, something like that. Are you at you're such a nerd in such a key? I mean that in the most complementary way possibly let me tell you gotta get yourself that way, you know. And so that's what those losses due repeat. Also mentioned Sweden kind of exposing an area of weakness during that Olympic defeat. I'll ask you the question how much better than three years later is the United States have actually breaking down those teams that choose to sit in deep, they are better than that. They have more tools and arose. Lavelle and amuse who can sit on the half turn. I thought when we play when we watched them we are at that game. We called that game together sub with Arlo in Brazil, there were players in that midfield that couldn't sit on the half turn in between lines and set play. Now they have those players and Samuel. And they have those players in. Rose Lebel what I'm concerned about though, is they are weaker on the transition in two thousand sixteen. They played a four four two they had four players in the midfield. They are now playing a four three three and yes, it can look like a four five one at time, but really you're repeat, no in heat are not giving you a defensive options or especially re Pino is not known for her defending heath is a little bit faster and tracks back a little bit more readily, and their more susceptible with that one less player giving the backline cover to get hit on a counter Sweden will not come out like this Sweden will not sit back to the degree that they sat back against United States in two thousand sixteen but they will sit back more than we've seen them play thus far because they know it's, it's hard. It's hard that we see it. We saw today with Nigeria versus France. She made her Megan Rubino debut with the national team in two thousand six you're a team with her early time with the national team is really marked by serious injury. Like she the couple early ACL injuries that really took her out. Out of some some prominent tournaments or at least even probably having a chance to compete for a roster spot in prominent tournaments but two thousand six to two thousand nineteen is a long time. That's thirteen years. What do you remember about the repeal that I came into camp? And how is she a different player now? He's a more complete player in a more consistent player. Megan repeal has moments of genius in the earlier stages of her career partly because of immaturity and partly because of injuries and having a hard time, we're, we're regaining and remaining fit is she would patties moments, but then those moments would be in, you know, lots of time in between and that time there was always these these situations. I remember two thousand ten where they were benching her, and they were serious talk for the twenty eleven if she was going to get bench. And then I think she did in the first game Lauren holiday. All of a sudden was playing left outside mid because of that defensive work. Great piece that Pia wanted a lot of. So you've seen a player since then. Adopt more do what she needed to do to stay on the field and her consistently brilliant moments. When healthy. Happen. A lot more often where she'll have stretches of a game where she's brilliant and games. And she's linking games together where she's so good. And right now her ability to connect on the service on the top of the box in read off a Tobin heath, or Christian press, or whoever serving it in her ability for one in two time volley half volley is impeccable. And that is a big reason why she's on the field arts. We've heard from Meghan routine. Oh and Carli Lloyd, thanks in large part to Julie Foudy. We always appreciate her work in France. Time now to recap some of the games from Monday, we'll start with group B action next. But first, a quick break. Well, then Kate, let's dive straight into group b here with the standings coming into the day, Germany in first place, Spain, and second China, third South Africa fourth now Spain and China were tied on points with three Spain had a slightly better goal differential. Germany, just need a point against South Africa to win the group. They got all three thanks to a four nothing win Spain, and China a draw would see both through, and you'll never Kate. Guess what happened judging by those few powerhouses in the box, I'm gonna guess it was a low scoring affair was a scoreless draw zero zero. Spain goes through second and China goes through third. I want to talk about that game a little bit more in depth. But let's start with Germany South Africa as we mentioned, Germany gets a four nothing win as far as lineups go. We finally did see Lena Mogole get the start. She also got a goal as Deborah. It's a loophole and. Pop not in that order. I think it was a loophole actually I then Deborah's pop and Moghul into the second half Kate before the match you tweeted, and you can follow Kate on Twitter at K, A T, and a arcade. G. R. A F, Kate Mara, jer hashtag sheriff Sherman. He needs result, but more important, a performance without their star. Hashtag motto, John, did they get that performance today? Kate. They were playing in some much weaker side, they needed to be able to convert on their chances as a higher rate than what they were. They weren't creating a ton on the first and second games and give credit to China and Spain. Right. China did it by bunkering and having compact offense Spain did it by holding possession and limiting the number of times Germany got on the ball but Germany today when they had the opportunities and, and aided by poor goalkeeper from South Africa they converted. And it was who, who was converting loopholes, for some reason, MVP Martinez tech Lindbergh, you got it like I'm getting better. She finally put her in, and that's one thing, I don't think they're going to make a run. If loopholes is not in 'cause she's just is she gives you so much in that six you sits in that center med? And she gives stability to a very attacking group, and then she put Buell up top, so we're getting speed. And that's a sub and they got given. And who's on the right and there, they just basically played a fast lineup to counteract South Africa, who is the slowest of the three African teams. But I would say argue to say, maybe the most organized, but they're physically lacking compared to the other two, and I think Germany matched that physicality took advantage of maybe a fitness space differential for South Africa and a poor goalkeeper in there. We'll put goals weight and get competence for other people. But especially pop this player needs to score. She's so dangerous in the air. She missed a sitter earlier on and I was like, oh, no. This is not good for Germany, and then she was able to convert and you can just see the pressure just wash away. Right. Because when you're a goal score and you're not scoring that becomes the story even if you're. Okay with your team winning. But the media reminds you that you're not scoring and then it gets in your head. I'm always interested because no matter what soccer football like, two, people can watch the same match and come away with just two different opinions. Actually felt like Germany had a really poor finishing day today. Even though they scored and were up three nothing and in control, you mentioned Lumbini, the South African goalie a thought she was complicit in at least two or three of the goals. And then a couple of goals are really just set pieces that hang in the air organization, four Orgainzation defensively, and, and, you know, credit to Germany. Somebody's gotta throw their head at it and get it in. There was a couple chances pop early on MRs just a tone. I'll sit and I know it's balancing. It's a little bit behind her. But to go over the Gulf from there a player like that I was disappointed hoot as well with Donna chance across the goal. So I, I don't know that I was. As convinced by Germany today just on that alone. I think they've benefited a lot from, you know, kind of South Africa's lack of quality, I want to move on to Jennifer Mahjong, because we do have a little bit of an update of tech Limburg spoke on Sunday and a quote was, and this is translated from German. So I'm doing my best quote, a long way to think about playing for motto, Sean. It's very difficult with forecast, Vaas tech Limburg continued in the end, it will also have to do with how Jenny can compensate for the pain, she will endure. Let's remember, it's a, a broken toe one report and said that she's not coming back. Best case scenario until the semifinals, so Kate, no mater. John for this team. Do you think they can make it till the semi-finals without her? If that is indeed, the case, I think they can make the semis of shoal plays out of her mind, the goalkeeper, who is coming back from you souls. Right. Eighty big if and she's, she's a top goalkeeper goalkeeper can save you games. They can't win you games. And then it's going to be up to other people. Picking up the slack. But if you're telling me that Germany's best chance at this point to get to a finals at their goalies going to stand on their head. I think that's a markedly different outlook on Germany than I would have had pre-tournament, and that's I feel like you're lawyering with us in little. I think that's key for them though. I think if you look at who they possibly could face you're going to face some unbelievably attacking sides like teams that are not built on defense teams that are built on offense Jiri as we look at how those yeah it could be an area. And it could be the other. I feel like we had either Netherlands, Australia at some point. Get out of group c which could be Australia. Brazil Italy, any one of those three. Right. So that's what I'm talking about. They're going to need a strong goalkeeper 'cause that back line is one hundred percent set. She keeps changing because member MVP took over the team this year. So she is what this is now her seventh or eighth game squad. So you're going to rely on those experience players. But it definitely happens their chances. It would be quite the story if they're able to perform without marshawn. So South Africa's out of the tournament of we bid farewell to that too many final thoughts on a team that we got to see now three times, and I think did bring some things to this tournament. This is a club and a team that had captain has started her own club in an own women's soccer professional league in South Africa because there wasn't one. This is a team that is just starting to get going, and they're doing it because they're getting some resources even though they did not leave this tournament with victory. They leave with exposure, and they leave with respect. Agreed. One thing I always found myself drawn to the South African team because they have in desert a coach of the program, right? Somebody who was born of the program, who put you know, two decades of work into the program and is now leading it. And you don't always see that at the higher levels of women's football. So I like at least that direction that they've decided to go with. They have a player in Tempe. Got Lana scored that first goal against Spain. That was just a total LASSO. And I think that for me we, we think about what these teams who are new to this level, getting moments that was a great goal put them up for a moment. It gave them their moment. The other thing I would acknowledge about South Africa. And I think it's something that we see with a lot of these teams. So again, new to this level and maybe underprepared when they face off against the real world elite is where I saw South Africa fail if you wanna call it that is late games and onset pieces a lot of the time. And to me, those things that Layton game is fitness. Right. So are you in? Fully professionalised setting which we know a lot of these players are not. And then set pieces something you work on. Are you having camps or you having those opportunities, so I'm not making an excuse for the South African players? But I am pointing you to some of the context in which it makes sense why they're not at the level that some of their competition is any often find that with teams that don't have the preparation or even fields. I mean, I've been to Africa and Ben coaching I've coached there still somewhat US State Department. Yeah, there was like working with smelly and refugees in Ethiopia in doing that. And, you know, one has a left shoot, another kid has the right shoe and they look like they're fifteen but they're really twenty-five because malnutrition, but the fields, would I notice where that, and I met the Ethiopian national team coach there and the fields are not regulation. So imagine trying to prepare on how to defend set-pieces, collectively now this is a big global statement. I'm not saying this is exactly what happens. But this is not uncommon in countries where maybe development or resources football fields are what we, you know, we have. America, and it wasn't regulation size or even close regulations is so that fifteen yards shortage that it has your only ten yards away from the box, right? That's a lot different to learn how to defend set piece, because those gaps in between you in between the three players that usually line up on the six when you do a mixture of zone man-to-man marking is big is your margin of error is a lot smaller on the small fields. And when you play on regulations, I guess, a lot bigger. That's one thing I remember from my time over there. So. Yes, that is the one thing and you can see it's organization. Those are things that can that, that only work through time. And if you're not given time you're going to get exposed at this level. So South Africa out of the tournament Germany win the group the other game in this group Spain and China as we mentioned it finished zero zero Kate. The story of this game was the story of the tournament from Spain more of the same possession without penetration. I think at one point. So when did someone take a picture of me? You're struggling to stay up high like lying on at hard time sleeping last night. And these are the two games, and multitasking is not my gym anyway, and trying to keep track two games, and we have the two TV's up and I'm watching Spain. And I'm literally getting lulled to sleep like and that's what they wanna do defenses. But the thing is like, and then people would come in to talk to us, and like, oh, they stopped talking to us because Raleigh student TV where you stop talking. Let the play by play guy takeover to announce what's going to happen, next and I'm like, oh, don't worry about their nothing is going to come from it. And I mean right. And I'm being snarky joking. So don't don't come at me, but it was true. We knew that, even if there was a breakdown, we knew that they wouldn't convert, and it is just if ales to impress you know, and I was looking at what they've done. They've got. They've scored three goals. Spain advances really without any sort of conviction. They score three goals to which from Hermosa penalties one against South Africa and only one goal from the run a place for all that possession that they have they lack somebody that can put the ball in the back then that they were much. Better today in terms of actually getting shots on goal. But is just it's, it's, it's painful to watch. Yeah. I mean it's almost. And I say this with with respect, it feels like like an SNL skit like no no, no. No, no, no. I mean it's like almost comical, Spain in the final third eye and I'll give you the example. We're watching the game. It's gotten to the second half. And we've been like, come on. Spain. It was like the fifty second minute and number twenty two. If you've watched Spain, it all, you know who this player is not he, he got because she's been in some really good spots. She got him behind a lot against Germany. She goes on a breakaway and it was one of those like, breakaways from midfield. And somebody had is you're mentioning just walked into the room and we're like we were literally like, oh, my gosh. Look, it's a break when we were like not he's not gonna score. And so was that. Oh, I hate to like laugh at it. But it's like my gosh, you know it's not good enough. It's not enough to win a World Cup. It's not his it's staggering how right? It's not just that they don't finish. There are times where you are screaming at the shoe. But this is the problem. The reason why we're getting animated. And we're being a bit snarky about this is this is an organization and a governing body that basically left out key players. In this cycle, because they protested from the last the last coach and they protested, the lack of resources, a lack of preparation and the coach, and they wanted to coach fires specifically. They were not prepared for the two thousand fifteen way up where they. And they left players that are good enough to be on this team that can finish off the roster. So for me, I'm like head. You just listened. Respectfully and say, okay, why don't you just admit it and say, by the way they got rid of that coach? Yeah. And then, so they bring in a coach who's done. I mean listen Spain holds the ball in his beautiful, and if they get moving, and if they can, if they find a way to convert the United States is going to be a long day for the United States, and they're gonna have to be clinical on those counterattacks because it's really hard to dispossess him at ton of numbers back there, an excellent recovering team. But they just don't have that last piece, but it's all from their complicit in that because they cut those players because those those players stood up on Spain, their struggles to score have come against South Africa, China and Germany, two of those teams I would say like definitely sit back. The US doesn't sit back the US I think plays a little bit more transitional if it is the US in Spain. Isn't that almost a good matchup for Spain? Because it'll just look different like the US is going to have seven players in the box, which is certainly what happened against China a little bit. What happening in South Africa? Some of what happened against Germany to the Spanish team. Did you see what happened though in the first, like ten minutes of this game, or is a bit open and Spain like all over Spain was all sunny? What they did every time they had a chance they broke had a beautiful pass a ball and a play around onto the goalkeeper comes out because we talked about, how goalkeeper was struggling and from China and the girl touches it, but then she touches it their second touch the first one beats keeper the second touches even further away from the goalie, and she could have hit half strike like that half chance off that I touch, but she didn't, and the promise pain is not technique is the promise they don't unleash the technique on anything. That's not what they deemed good enough opportunity. They need to go for it more. And if they start doing that I hope to God does not happening as the United States. They have the technique to execute. They just need to take their chances and they don't there's one player on Spain who has caught my attention. She's the number sixteen on. And I wonder if you as a centreback have have have caught this, there's can't miss her. She's got tattoos. So China hug had there like moments today against Spain right where they would get the ball create a counterattack almost got a chance and one of the best chances came right on the stroke of half-time, maybe like forty fourth forty fifth minute. They get a counter ball comes in cross to the far post Chinese player wide open there and lay on backpedaling just gets the extended flick header to it and nods it on. There was also a play in the first game against South Africa, when South Africa was up one nothing against Spain, South Africa lines up for a free kick, and I think it was actually the player that got sent off later of LA Qazi of South Africa who's takes the free kick Leone is in the wall. And she. Never closes her eyes and Qazi hits the ball across the wall. It is going towards the upper ninety and Laon steps out of the wall, and not, and sticks her head out another few inches up to not at passed, and it goes out for a corner kick, and I think that may have been destined for the back of the net then may have made that game to nothing South Africa. And that moment may have changed Spain's entire World Cup. So this is a player in the back for Spain that I think make some really critical interventions. Let's focus on the Chinese team because there was one of those kind of great visual moments at the end of this game, the Chinese managers, ya Kyu Kwan was overtaken with emotion. You can see he's crying as he's congratulating his players after the game. And sometimes you look at people crying, and you're like, oh, those are tears of sadness, or those tears of joy this looked like a manager who was relieved. I'm you could tell this guy was under some pressure to get this group this team out of the group. Interesting. How China is approached US World Cup something, nobody and dissipated. I listened to a ton of previews. I listen to some podcasts as well as read stuff in China. The one thing is you wouldn't expect after the second group game this team would have the most fouls in the tournament. Thirty one going into this last group stage game. I have never seen a team step on so many darn toes in a game. And I'm almost wondering if this is they know that they don't finish tons of their chances. So they're looking for every advantage that they can, and they're playing on that gray side of the law, whether or not the referee things is intentional or not how many players from Germany got their feet stopped on how many players today got their feet stepped on. That's how Mars on broker toe. And I remember playing a longtime and you knew what the Italians and the Brazilians they would always try slam on your toes, like whenever they check back. They purposely put their foot on your toes smashing in and it's common and men's soccer. Right. But it's becoming more common in women's soccer. That's just an example, the physicality of something that they're always doing. So this is a team that was looking for any type of advantage possible. Good on them in. It's. On the referees to catch it and it's up for the players that are on the ball to play quicker. But they are willing to do anything and they have fully rounded out there game as much as they can. They've had a lot of time to work together all players. But one play for the domestic league in China. So this is a team that is going to be very difficult to break down. They have lots of numbers back, the, you're gonna have to do something special to beat them and they will go through us. One of the four third place teams, interesting. You mentioned the physicality hold heavy loves Spanish coach said this just before the game. Gina, I Eileen me they recommend. Oh, what that means is China plays at the very edge the very border of the rules. And there's a practice in Latin America. And it's it's done in English as well. But the the is called Gandhi Sonangol's Abby throws which is like you come out as a manager before a game. And you condition the refs. So this is that he said this in his press conference. Hey China's physical. China's physical China's physical referees. Are you listening? China's physical. I wonder if other managers as they face Jonah may start to do that. And if that affects the referees, I always wondered to the ref doesn't work you're that style debate now. So I think playing at certain teams that's their stick and they keep fouling you five thousand times because the referee doesn't want to disrupt the rhythm in the flow of the game. It's their responsibility to keep the game moving to have players expressing themselves. But, you know, you're going to call the agree just fouls. But when it happens every two minutes you can't stop the game. And so you can only give out so many yellow cards, you can only give out, you know, your do you kick somebody out and you don't see referees doing that at least strong referees getting on players enough. And that's what's gonna take against that. I think he might have been. He definitely was doing that. I have never seen at work to the point where it actually deters a team from exhibiting a little bit more physicality than necessary. So group B is going to give us three teams into the round of sixteen Germany first place, Spain second-place China third, we still have group a to get to plus a conversation about one of the US players that made their World Cup debut on Sunday. Jessica mcdonald. But first, a quick break. Cates, so on yesterday's show. We discussed some controversial comments from Emma. Hayes, a former manager of yours with the Chicago red stars, she coached back in two thousand and ten so I was going through Wicca pedia miss. I tend to do and I was looking at the Chicago that at the two thousand ten Chicago red stars roster doodoo you guys were stacked, I let me go through this horrible. I know you the results were not great. But the roster is impressive Meghan routine. Oh for Migo Whitney angen who ended up winning a World Cup title in two thousand fifteen with the US the aforementioned Kosovar, Asllani Cristiani, one of your forwards. Karen Carney, who is right now with the English team competing in the two thousand nineteen World Cup. And at number fifteen a defender, Kate, Mark graph a little further down the numerical roster. We have number twenty two young forward named Jessica. Macdonald MacDonald, then you'll remember on Sunday at thirty one years old made her World Cup debut for the US national team. I love Kate. I love the Jessica McDonald's story because this is a story that has been kind of bubbling for a while. If you follow national women's soccer league American women's soccer, you know of this player, it's so cool to see her at the World Cup stage. I've only really been following Jessica, since maybe two thousand thirteen fourteen you played with her on two thousand and ten this was her first pro team Oshii like back, then Jessica sunshine. Mcdonagh. Do you know remember it was your middle name Vic name and not sunshine and definitely not. Do you remember, remember the titans or it's like sunshine? He's just like this, cool chill guy, grant hair. Oh, unbelievable hair. I'm jealous as she as Sandra. She is this person that just brings a lot of just. Levity at in not in sense of like making jokes not only sonnet way. But just because she's just so happy to be in the moment. She's not a drama, Queen doesn't bring any attention onto herself. She's a big cheerleader, but not in the cheesy way, like she was, like come on in its authentic. And then you start to get a little bit of her backstory. I mean this is a player that comes in works for but off went to junior college. Anson Dorrance recruiter. She goes to UNC for less two years, a beast in the box and a player that wants to dominate in the air and that's her skill. Her skill was not with her feet to be honest. She was incredibly fast brave every challenge, but she could not beat you unless you push you pass to run right. There wasn't much deception there. And then when you t- that was on the field. And then as you get to know her, she was living with the host family shield at the same time that I did you, you would get these glimpses of sadness and you'd be like, just what sunshine such, she's like, oh, that's right. That's right. And she could see her, like try to like turn around. And then one time she I was like, hey, what's your story, like we are both in the training room because she is had some injuries at the time. And she was telling the story she's like I just I and she was crying. Honestly, and she's like I just don't have the best upbringing in. I'm like I'm sorry to hear that. Do you wanna talk about it and it's out there? You can read it and I don't want to like, she, she talks about it. But, you know she didn't grow up in the best set. Being a mother that suffers through addiction, a father in and out of prison. A brother that she was very close to that played in the pros played for Dallas was oursel- and DC United Brandon, Brandon McDonald deal. And they're very close in basically extended family raised her, and she went to junior college because no one was coming after. And then she just kept making the most of every opportunity. So when we're looking at the United States, we're embarrassed by riches, like compared to all these other women playing in some of these countries, especially the non-european ones just McDonnell is probably our closest example of someone that has had to overcome more than any, any other US player has in terms of trying to get to a field trying to play for a good team trying to be exposed to the right. Coaches developed technique. She tears her patellar tendon under first game. She plays for us. And she goes down, and she's crying. And I was there and you just your heart broke because here's someone has done everything. Right. And has done everything right for as a bunch player in terms of not being attention seeker and just focusing on the starters and, and then she does it and you just that one just hits you hard. Right. And I three kids at the time, and she was always so great with my kids. So as a mom on the team, you always liked the people that spend time with your kids, because it distracts your kids a little bit. And you get a little bit of a break, and she was one of those sets reason why I gravitated towards her. So then fast forward a couple years, she bounces around pro teams. And then Paul Riley sees this character, and this person and this, this light that she is. And he brings her finally where she is now North Carolina courage. It was up in New York. Western New York flash in two thousand sixteen when she kind of makes that connection. Yeah. And then she was debating quitting or not. And she goes to him, should I should I quit soothing, I'll make national team. He's like, I don't think you'll ever make the national team chess. Moving forward. She just stays with it. She found a host family to live with that helps to care of her son, Jeremiah because in the span from when I knew her into now, she's had a child, and she's basically doing it on her own. And she is just become this more complete player like she's always fit. But now she knows where to run. And so she knows how to stretch defenses to open up lanes for other people. She is will sacrifice for the team and make input defenders under pressure. She causes havoc by the work. She does off the ball and then she converts in the air when she does. So this is a player that, if you wanna get behind somebody like this is someone that's happy to be there and she'll she will embrace it. And she'll show that appreciation by being the best character. There is out there and look not to say that every single of the twenty three players on his team earned their spot. Right. But McDonald really earned it you know what I mean? Like in, in a in a time when she wasn't on a lot of lists, she seemed to climb her way up. If you look at her career like she was on the youth national teams you sixteen u seventeen all the way through, you twenty three didn't get her first senior team, call up till two thousand sixteen and she would have been in these youth national teams in like, oh, six seven eight or nine. So that's like a decade of being age eligible for senior national team not getting a call up. She did bounce around the end of his cell, I started calling, and w sell games, and fourteen when the Houston dash for an expansion team. And she had bounced at that point from Seattle to Portland. She then actually ended up in Houston before going to the western New York flash. But it was that one year in Portland where I think she was kind of filling in for Alex Morgan while Morgan was injured in fourteen that you really started to, to score goals, and that was the time when my access to women's soccer was almost entirely and WFL. So I was like, oh, there's this player, Jessica MacDonald who's scoring loads the goals, and I'm watching national team players compete in the same league and not have the same success. And I'm thinking, like I McDonald's gotta be due for a call. Due for a call up due for a call up. But that wasn't end w w sell your six or seven that was w Sal years, one to three where I think we didn't really know the impact that the national women's soccer league would have on the actual national team pool. Because a lot of those pools are already very well established McDonald to me is like the proof is in the pudding. She's the pudding, she's the proof of concept of, like NWEA cell can have this huge role where they keep players alive to keep players playing. They keep that your hat still in the ring. And eventually, if you do get hot if you do find your Paul Riley. If you do find your right situation, you can become a member of the senior national team. And maybe even play in a World Cup as we look forward though. I wonder what do you think the role n w sell? We'll have in the player pool of the US women's senior national team as we progress in the league gross won't because US soccer subsidizes all the US women's national team player pool, Sal. In US soccer needs to utilize this league as a development league and it needs to become kind of like a feeder system to create a separate group of almost like a USA be team that helps feed the USA team, just kind of went through that because there are a number of players in that pool since two thousand sixteen that were selected because they could score goals after the Olympics, when they left in the finals earliest exit ever for US team in a major competition, the chance creations. If you looked at US created twenty three chances in two thousand sixteen but they were from bad angles, and so they, they really went out and looked for players that could create chances on their own and convert chances from bed angles, but also improve the angle. So the chance conversion rate was higher a higher probability of, of conversion just as one of those players and big moments in the air and Carli Lloyd was missing in the air Lindsay Horon was missing in the air in two thousand sixteen and one at another weapon they brought him Lynn Williams. For example. That's another player but unfortunately, about another WFL like kind of reticent and she plays with us. Their, their strike partners. And they're very good. Friends Lynn GIS is the fastest player in the NWF sell believe, but she needs thirty chances to convert to write her technique is lacking just needs to chances, in the air and she'll convert one so just gets the nod because also no one else on the team, the frontline can do what she can do in the air as well as defending set pieces. So that's critical but overall the NWEA sell it needs to become the breeding ground, and that will improve with better coaching better standards both on and off the field to player. Stay in it longer it, it's way to expand our competitive base of potentially US women's national team players. You mention her propensity for scoring big goals in big games. Jessica McDonald, though, she is the reigning N wwl championship game, then VP. She scored a couple of goals as her North Carolina, courage got revenge over the Portland thorns. It was the same two teams in the I called like, yeah let's game up. I was a big moment because they've been. Waiting for that game for all year. They've been waiting for that. That's a have or have not situation Portland has all the US women's national team players because a lot of people wanna play in Portland and Paul rally has built a team of underdogs and look at how many are on the national team or having an impact here at this World Cup -solutely, all right? Time to move onto the rest of Monday's games. We've got all the action out of group a to get to, but first US soccer stars like Tobin heath Carli, Lloyd, Mallory Pugh, and others are getting paid a lot of money by Hulu. Why to do a goal celebration called Hulu has live sports Saul to let you know, one simple message who has live sports. You can watch the biggest games and sporting events on sixty plus top channels no cable required. Plus, you can stream the entire Hulu libraries, start your free trial of who today live TV plan required. Restrictions apply. Learn more at Hulu dot com. All right. So let's get through group a quickly as anyone who has listened to this podcast will not be surprised by. We're running over. So group, a began with France and first place Norway, second-place Nigeria third, South Korea fourth entering the day. France, Nigeria was the first met a one of the matchups, Nigeria tie would get them through because remember four points is going to be enough to guaranteed get you through as a third place team, a loss for Nigeria would leave them in doubt a win and they'd obviously be through as well. France only needed a draw to clinch the top spot in the group. And boy, they got just more than a draw did the French they win one nothing. It took them eighty minutes, almost to score. And they scored on a controversial penalty awarded Wendy Renard converts after missing the first attempt I on the penalty Kate. Did you think that the penalty call was the right call the penalty call us the right and call? Yeah. Go. Go to use. Actively environments, use effectively on the second retake. The problem is the law is, is a name, right? So what happens I write? Right. Renard steps up. She pushes it wide. And does the very young Nigerian goalie? The eighteen year old is, is called for stepping off the line. Now, the rule is as long as you got one foot on the line. You're okay. And when they went back to the freeze frame, I know you're shaking your head. No. I'm yeah I'm going to root for the underdogs here. Man. I thought that was was close enough to that line that it wasn't sure that it was often if you're not sure that, that foot is really clearly off. I don't know that you can just you can call that. I didn't like that. I don't like this call it on. I got on Twitter. And I'm like this is ridiculous. And always when I got Christina, uncle from flowers really big deal Christina, was, I'm such a big deal. This picture, a screen grab of the I. F A B the rule connects. All right. Long had it been told not to call it rules that they are laws. And to please us out appropriately. So I'm using inappropriately, it's still does not say to me, the problem is, if you're gonna if you're gonna make the referee or the goalkeeper standing in line. You're ruining their ability to power step up. They always take that first step up and over eating goalie starting behind the line now. No, I have already behind the line so they can step up to the line and end jobs. This in this world columnist in this World Cup. So, but they've not stopping. So I thought she sent this picture to me to say. Oh, listen. We've also stopped the stutter step that forwards due to try to disrupt the goalkeeper, right? Try and get him to move early or to get off their line early. So you are again making it more difficult for a player to do their job by altering the laws of the game. And I do not like it. I agree that you need to limit people being goalkeepers to basically do it Brian excreted in ninety nine I mean, that was absolutely ridiculous. What she did. But the referee didn't have the guts to call it. But this is absurd on every level. Yes, the referee is right virus. Correct. But the law is silly, and it needs to be changed, and windy Renard celebration is starting to get some pull on Twitter because she celebrates afterwards after she missed the first one and own goal in the game before. And she goes and celebrates and I get that you're like, oh, thank God because this is the team that we always talk about choking. And this is what? He had just choked, by the way, she was a captain, and she got her captain armband remote by the Akra when deandre became head coach. So that tells you something that maybe didn't and the rule. And what was said was, she didn't want Docker, did not want put that much pressure on her. So just something to note that if you Francis gonna lose renards can be part of that loss, is what a lot of us are thinking because she she makes mistakes, and big moments green geogra- made four changes to our lineup. Our last lineup. France had already clinched a spot. Do you think that's what we saw on the underwhelming French performance? Or did you see some actual cause for concern for this French team? Now, I saw for changes in the lineup. I saw resting some veterans and to find out how good their death really is that death had a hard time against very well. Organized conservative Nigerian team that was focused on getting a point. This team had won change for Nigeria, I came in at midfield, and that meant that they going to sit back a little bit there, of course, going to try to unsettle France with using their aggressiveness, and it was so fun. Watching more data go against Magyari, and that was such a fun battle. But if they were it was kind of a catch twenty two if they went for in got exposed, France could convert, but they had to their would they were trying to go for a draw, and we're going to need some help? Right. We're going to four points and get in. So they decided to go for the draw. Yeah. And they almost they almost worked. Yeah, it almost worked. And I think really also the fact that they lose in the end by only the one goal may end up serving them. Yes. Well in that in the math. It ends up deciding which of those four third place teams will advance the final match then Norway, South Korea. Norway winds two to one over South Korea. Norway gets two penalty goals in the first half caroliina Graham Hansen scores the first she drew the second. It's airlifts then converts it, but maybe the bigger story than is Carolina. Graham Hanson, came off after that second penalty when we look at Norway, this is a team that has won this tournament in the past. Yes, you gotta go way back to nine hundred ninety five they played very well at moments throughout the group phase, Canvey make a run. Once we get to knock out play if this injury to Graham Hansen keeps her out of the lineup or is in. No, it's straight. It's that strange. Graham Hansen is a special player and isn't she? Only special player. No, no, that's super impressed. Angen. In a different way, in a different way, in terms of coming in two years, or coming in there, inverted wingers. I our into, but I would I think like real difference makers. Maybe it's only different. You're right. She sees the game differently than everybody else. I just don't think they have a ton of depth Joe and then add, someone that has that she rolls her ankle though. So if you're going to really rank, you're gonna be really stuff tomorrow, if too high ankle sprain, you're going to play through it, but it's going to be brutal. Hopefully it's not a high ankle sprain, but it's still going to be tender. And once you get moving it'll be okay, but once you stop it. That's when it hurts. So she will not be as affective or she will be feeling pain, every time she plays if she if she if she can go on. And that's a huge huge, that's probably the biggest one you don't you won't you don't want to go down on one injuring has been wonderful. Good. Alright hand. I ain't good has was better against France. Not so much against Nigeria, I thought played poorly, but Graham Hanson is good. She's solid real quick on South Korea. They do finally get a goal about twelve minutes from the end of their tournament. The number thirteen mingy scores. Great great assist. Yeah. It's a nice goal. You were kind of like, well where was that the, the whole tournament, I guess, that's my takeaway on the South Korea team, just a really disappointing toothless performance from a team. We should remind people made it out of the group phase in the last World Cup and did so with four points. So got multiple results on their way out of the group. And I thought this time just really let themselves down. Yeah, it wasn't impressive from them. They didn't have any bite going forward, and it was surprising when empty so young and she'll in there. So it was disappointing from them. I did not have them going through though. Right. Except I had Nigeria because things Nigeria with Thomas Donner be the former Swedish national team coach taking over bringing over some organization, I thought Nigeria be the most poised to make a run. And now they're gonna have to wait for others. A wonder if with South Korea, there was some element or shades of like Scotland mismanaged that, that approach. And no, I think they're game that they could have one was Nigeria. And I think they were mismanagement that was poor coached selection. In terms of the players, and how he was lining people up and how they were playing. Just not effective in the box at all. And they member they did have a goal called back for offside. I think. Yeah, because their head was a little bit off side. So they this the team that underwhelmed, and it wasn't good enough, and they were in between this and the Japan group, they don't have that. You can't have that margin of error. It's not like the United States group-group group baffler, you can get away with some stuff. All right. Thank so groups a and b are done and dusted, France. Norway Spain Germany China or all going through to the round of sixteen Nigeria's, maybe they're going to have to wait to see what else happens part of that. What else that will happen that will affect Nigeria's fate is what goes down on Tuesdays games as we put a bow on groups, c and d Kate. Let's start with group c the standings, currently are Italy. First, Brazil second, Australia third Jamaica forth. It'll be Jamaica. And australia. And then Italy and Brazil. Let's start with that. Jamaica, Australia match real quick on paper. It seems like a pretty obvious Australia. Low out to make a gut stretched really easily in their last game. I think Australia will be organized enough and more importantly, they're confident they're coming into this game. Sam Kerr had been attacked on social media, homophobic, rants on her. And she came up even though she did not touch the ball in two goals. She caused two goals. Part of that she was big reason why. So here's a team that's looking now has a mission to just basically say we they've been galvanizes group. They've been whether their style, whether people are coming after them with personal attacks. They're like, I think the way they started the tournament, also some criticism, losing to Italy. I think they're going to get burned. I mean, they are playing high risk Cairo awards. So they're going to get criticized. But, you know it good for them to turn that criticism into a motivational point the other game in in. This group is fascinating to me. I feel like I've said that one hundred times, but, but this group is really interesting. Italy one verse Brazil, too. And here's why this group is so interesting. You've got Italy Brazil, Australia. All right, there, and we do assume and we shouldn't but we do assume that Australia will beat you make it that would put them on six points. Italy already have six points. If Brazil beat Italy, we got a three way tie with six points. You're gonna have a team with six points plan as a third place team in the knockout round. What do you think happens in Italy, Brazil? Oh, gosh. Depends. If Brazil can keep it together how they bounce back after that. Disappointing lost Australia for me is out. Yup. And they're big deal. Is that huge? I mean I don't I don't think this is like blind loyalty. Is that even when you look at her stats in the first game and the same game not as good? What she's able to do to break up play? As unbelievable. And she also helps out the back line. Yes, she pulls them out of shape a little bit when she drops in. But she only drops in becomes, like a third centre-back when she realizes that her team is exposed because those two centreback Monica, and I can't remember the other one Kathleen, they were horrible against Australia. So losing her loses somebody that can help hunt the ball, but also allow you to transition quickly Christiane is going to have to come up big to lead this young group and as well as the Beena as a player that should have all the tools now to carry this team. She plays for north end wwl North Carolina courage under Paul Riley, she'll have the fitness, therefore to be able to withstand. But Italy's so well organized, and they get so many numbers behind the ball. I don't think that the fastest back line, but I think that they're smart enough to know when to drop in anticipation of the service, they read the ball. Well, that makes them very difficult to be Christiani on a cross. I don't think they can defend her no-one's defended her yet. Sara gama. I don't think you can defend her. So it's going to be interesting to see. It's really I think Italy wins. This game you do Italy. Would then win the group, which would shock all sorts of people me. I don't have either. I didn't know who would go through. Yeah. But you didn't have Italy win in the group. I'm no, I imagine Australia for that one. So who do you think ends up? Second, Brazil Australia, Australia, Australia would end up with six Brazil would have shot to go through with three if they do lose to Italy. They need a tie. Brazil gets a draw. Right. Well, then that, but then other tank. Tank it to Italy could purposely not start their starters. I mean just because they might be like you know what? We'll take first or second. They could do some bracket holiday. You know, it'd be like I don't wanna face that team. So. Right. I don't know the way things are shaping up. There's definitely going to be a strong side of the bracket and a weak side of the record. Really? I think so. Yeah, I think the US, France England side is going to end up being a strong out of the Braga and the other ones. We're gonna have a call in the Netherlands, can actually play. Well, yes. And you can just you and I were doing some bracket of our own. And we looked ahead to a potential quarter-final matchup between the Netherlands and Australia. That'd be so fun, so much fun. That'd be so we don't know if that have a back lines still and take over take the old. All right. Let's get through this group d real quick entering the final day of this group's matches England is in first place Japan. Second Argentina, third with one point Scotland fourth with no points, England and Argentina than our through. Who do you think will end up winning the group England, and Japan or thrill, sorry? England Japan of three yes. Yes. Going gonna win the group. Okay. They'll beat Japan in this game. It'll be Japan or they'll get Tigers Japan Japan, hopefully will figure out what their best starting lineup is. But they haven't shown any sign that they're going to she's been tinkering taco cooler this entire time leading up to the I just leading up to these games. I wonder what she's going to do? If this is an experience, if she's going to be like, okay, we've already one in the sense that we're getting the knockout round. So I'm gonna play a bunch of young players, and give them more experience because we are hosting the twenty twenty Olympics next year in Tokyo. So I I think England will tire win this game cure. See what Japan does. I think Scotland Argentina I would have said, Scotland hands down before this tournament started. But now after seeing how Argentina is playing they are very difficult to break down. And I don't think Scotland has the tools to break it down because we're and little and. I'm and Cuthbert they are playing very conservative, because I think they wanted to keep the score close. I think it's a conservative approach and they put all their eggs in this basket, do we see full flights in this? We gotta see full hold hope so I'll be right. I don't think Argentina has enough going forward. Right. That's my question. Right. Argentina's in this weird place. They have a point. Do they have enough? No score a goal because it got they're going to have to score to get through. So they're gonna have to go to hear HAMAs up top, but I honestly I don't think she's unless it's like driven ball inside a service like she's not going to beat you one on one. Right. She doesn't seem fast to me. She's tall. I thought she has a very big used to that team, which is like she can help hold it up. But teams back. I just wonder if they're going to be able to get into the opponent's box like I don't know. And then you have to ask the question. What's the difference between Argentina and Scotland? Right. Because we noticed there was a difference between Argentina and Japan and Argentina in England. But I think Scotland it's not at those levels. No. But they're they're right below them. Right. So, but I think their approach did not help us of innovation of their style. So there's there is a mathematical possibility where Argentina could get through. I've believe with two ties. There have served there. I know. I hope that doesn't happen. Look, you got twenty four teams in the tournament, and sixteen are getting to the knockout. So you're only send an eight home that would make everyone just sit back and defend. Yeah. It'd be so stupid. If a team that just sits back and gets two points goes through the World Cup. It's unlikely it's very unlikely like really mad basically. Okay. Well, don't be mad at me. Itchy lands Highland would have to tie. And so would Cameroon in New Zealand. But if those two things did happen and Argentina drew, there's a pathway for them in with just the tie, but fascinating in Scotland, of course, we know with the three points would put themselves into a very, very good spot, they would obviously jump Argentina and the group and then they'd have a really healthy goal differential very likely going up against these teams like Australia, Nigeria. And potentially whoever wins that Cameroon New Zealand game. And whoever's the winner of the Chila Thailand game, we'll also have a shot as well. That's a lot of math to be done a lot of soccer to be watched. But this is the time where the World Cup really, really gets good because finally were moving people on and we're sending people home. Speaking of sending people home. I think it's time we go home, not home home, but back to the perspective hotels that they keep us that, while, we're here in Bristol, Connecticut. She's K mart up. I'm Sebastian Salazar. Thanks for listening to this edition of ESPN AFC special coverage of the two thousand nine hundred nine women's World Cup.

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"This show is presented by Hulu, which has live sports, watch live games, and all your favorite teams live on Hulu. No cable required. Live TV plan is required. Restrictions apply. Welcome to episode nineteen. ESPN AFC special coverage of the two thousand nine thousand nine women's World Cup alongside World Cup champion Olympic champion and the two thousand one defender of the year for the Boston breakers. Kate Markgraff I'm Sebastian Salazar, we are joined also live from France by Julie Foudy, Julie, you are in Paris. You are in the middle of it. All it's a big event in a big city. There's a lot of stuff going on in Paris that now. Right. You got like a heatwave. There's a pollution spike. We got a sometime at transportation crisis because they're trying to get cars off the road. It seems like aside from this big game generally the city is almost simmering right now. It is simmering this, it's lively here as it always is in Paris. But it's interesting because been doing live shots on the streets, actually, and people will be walking by and they don't know what we're doing live shots for. But all of a sudden, you'll hear this go friends we will win all. Or our security guy the other day as he was leaving us we work in the same for the next game. He was like I'm sorry about staying and I said, what do you mean VA? And he goes when you guys lose. So it's definitely even though there's video is so big and, and simmering cheer point. It's definitely something that people are talking about you get you get a feel for it as is even we're doing our live shots. I love that people connect through sports, and even through talking trash with people that you generally, don't talk to you. It's an opportunity. Is that is that vehicle in which to engage in conversation? So you're talking about the heat and all that we are any of the players and the pollution, spike. But more the heat for me. We saw the evidenced in one of the games Italy game. You could see that Italy in China were struggling with the heat about what is it really feel like because I feel like when I see eighty degree temperatures that doesn't really turn off the alarms for me that I should be talking about the heat during a game when I'm calling a game. Yeah. You know Ron the last game against Spain. It was it was be me. It was kind of a stifling, win type a heat. And this one is steamy as well. But every Claire you talk to that. Oh my gosh. This is nothing. You know, it's thirty degrees, hotter and Houston or Samuels yesterday thing, have you've been to North Carolina in the summer or, you know the Orlando. Ride group, you know, saying this is nothing. So I think the players honestly are not worried about it as they should be. And I think they, they also feel it's an advantage because of the depth of the US, gene, the fitness of the US team is we always know that is a hotter, the better for the United States when they've literally or like this is nothing. If you look at the forecast, there's suggestions, it could get up to one hundred ten degrees. At some point over the next seventy two hours, they're in France or saying it's going to deliver some of the hottest temperatures ever recorded in a country. So it is a pretty extreme situation. As far as the heat is concerned, Julie, I want you to give us kind of your feel of what you saw it. Today's press conference there's some context, so I wanna lay down. I obviously, unless you've been living under a rock, you know, that there's been a nother media controversy that swirled up around this US women's national team about thirty six hours ago. Video came out from eight by magazine that was Meghan routine, essentially saying that you wouldn't be going to the White House. If the team one actually essentially doubts, the team would even be invited turns out that video was shot in January. It gets dropped about a day and a half ago and then everybody starts talking about it. Of course, it draws a tweet response from the president in which the president says, Meghan should win. I before she taught. But he does go on to say that he would now invite the team win or lose. Then repeat knows teammates jump in. They seem to be defending their teammate. No surprise there. Alley Krieger, perhaps the most notable with her Twitter response to the president. Julia just from the, the scenes that you tweet it out. It seemed like this is a big deal over there, just like it is a big deal over here. Interesting. I was talking to one of the reporters from Canal, Plus, and I said, how big a news is this year, and he said, well, it was asked about in the press conference to Korean doctor. And she basically it was like, I don't know. I don't I haven't been following. And he says, you know, we've talked about it a little bit on French television, but it hasn't been tracking the way it has been in the United States. But there was, you know, clearly, an and of course it's the game everyone's been wanting to see and watch. So there was a lot of press there. But I think maybe a little bit beautifully, actually, because what she did, and they haven't been doing this typically as she the woman who is moderating said, you know, would you like to make an opening statement Megan? Of course that was planned. I'm sure and she said, yes and without it being scripted which I liked as well. It was authentic. You know, she basically said, I stand by my comments, you know, minus the expletive which my mother wouldn't be proud of. But, you know, this is an administration that doesn't support the same views and issues that I support and many of my teammates support. And so I won't be going, if we went and I thought it was perfect. And it, it Luli took the air out of the room in terms of everyone was coming in, I think, with those questions, and she said, I basically wanna talk about soccer, and, you know, and hope you respect that, and a couple of people try to ask about it, but, you know, she, she's deflected instead I you know, I you know, my positions on on my protesting and why I'm protesting and I'm here to talk about the game. And they and they pretty much honored that. So I thought it was it was a brilliant, stroke by her. Did you feel an all that she was rattled in a way with all the questions? And I, I know Megan is pretty resolute, but I have to say you recovering the World Cup in two thousand and seven Foudy, and I happen to be Megan routine. Oh, standing on that stage. When somehow the news broke that hope solo wasn't starting the next day. And every single press conference question was not about how we're going to face Brazil, not nothing. It was all about hope hope and asking me and asking are then coach Greg Ryan. And in fact, you actually cornered me in the hallway afterwards and was, like, tell me the real story that was like fatty get out of my face. Like I can't tell you because I like I you doing your job. But I have to do mine, and, but I, I walked away like disappointed and rattled that something was taken in that moment. And we couldn't talk about the game. Does he think that Megan at all feels rattled? Or is this team and her being one of the main leaders of the team so? Custom to making statements that some could be perceived as distracting to the game, but also trying to talk from their platform. I would say, you know, unless you the tremendous actor sh it does not seem rattles mean she was her normal self and mind. You, it's the president of the United States is calling her out by her handle, which originally gets wrong, by the way, and has to crack. But and so all the weight of the maga- fury is coming back at her, and so yet she seems fine and confident, and in calm and, and, and even Jill. You know, Jill says, hey, we stand we stand by Megan and the teen does. And this is something that, you know, in, in terms of, whether you know, it was a distraction, which was asked at the press conference. She said, you know, this, this team is an elite team that draws a lot of attention. We're used to scrutiny. And so, you know, clearly it's a different level of scrutiny with the president tweeting about it. But I. Don't get the sense she's rattled. And that's probably the only player on that team that I think could handle it. So I and and I hope I today's response with the media kind of backing off of it that, and it's going to obviously continue to be a story, but it becomes less so going forward. You mentioned the fury, she'll face online remember shortly after the Olympics in two thousand sixteen Meghan was with the Seattle reign, and she came to Washington. And she said that she would kneel before the anthem. And we didn't interview at the regional sports network that I was working at. And I remember I posted the video of the interview on my professional Facebook page. And of course, the topic was taking a knee, and the vitriol in the comments was such that, like I had to shut the comments off on this page. So it's it is truly a lightning rod that is surrounding Meghan. I hope people can understand that, you know what the online ram. Vacations are when you take a stand like this, there is an overwhelming amount of anger and vitriol, that is being aimed at this player in person right now, Julie to the point that you made, though about kind of embracing the moment, I've heard it in the interviews, whether it was, Meghan repeal shortly after the match or Alex Morgan, I think with you, a couple of days ago, the players at least seem to be not at all afraid of the spectacle of this moment like they want this game. You're around other American players, but you're also around American media American fans. We see the American outlaws in, in the back of every live shot, you're doing on sportscenter. How would you describe like the American contingents confidence heading into this game? Yeah. Well, it interesting because we've always been in Keeton I having lived it. No, this for years. I mean, I think that's the fabric of this proprietors. There was always this American mentality. And that was what even in our in our least pretty moments, we could fall back on. And yet it seems that even another level and not in a Shubra. In. There's no Schubert's too. It feels like it's not like, oh, look at me. I'm awesome. It's just an unapologetic owning of their awesomeness, those that actually is super refreshing and across the board in because, you know, it's coming from repeat. No. And it's coming from, you know, Alex Morgan who's also I feel like taking positions on stuff that she typically in the past has not taken positions on and been okay with it, and more Pinon aided, and, and, and I like it and I and every single one of them, you do get the sense, then especially that veteran crew of this is the moment we live for Tobin. He's quote of you know, this is what I've raining for about, you know as a kid. This is the moment I wanted to be playing the host country in Paris, at this moment in the quarterfinal and, you know, when when Jill Ellis had the great quote today. Day that said, what was it with Jim main producer is awesome here? It was. Yeah. She said, some people we wrote it down. So people visit pressure we live in it, and it's true. I mean because every time the Americans go into turnament as we know it's expected, you're gonna win it, and if you're not winning it, and this is an internal pressure. We put on herself for not winning it. We're disappointed, and it becomes an external pressure because of all the girls that play the funding the sport all the things we have other three don't have. So you do live in that pressure. So I do think there is a genuine embracement of this pressure is a frivolous. Uh-huh. I just I see your your facial expressions. When you hear the quote from Jill Alice. I. Disagree? You know, I think I think that when it comes to resources and when it comes to allocation of resources, relative to other teams they're there has to be a certain level of humbleness, and it's comes onto personality style. Right. And Joe's totally right like this is a team that has to embrace it and they've, they've flipped it on its head a little bit. Right. The paradigm, usually it's like you, you, you know, not play meek, but you like we know how lucky we are. Right. Like, we, we have to set a standard blah, blah, blah. And now it's yeah, we're damn lucky but you know what? We deserve it kind of thing. And it's a really fine line that works when you're winning. But it's also something that gets put up every single locker room of every single opponent. And I you in about you, and I are different psychologically, right? Like I'm definitely more like the okay what's going to happen? What's gonna go wrong like kind of player because that's how I played as a defender that was more my mindset. So I'm always like, don't give anyone any tool. Tools to use for extra motivation. Don't, don't create extra distractions. But that's how I built. But that's not how this team is built in this is just their character. And I think what's the great thing about this US team is that is authentic to who they are. And to go with what standing behind, how people are allowed to say what they want member, Joel Hinkle. Right. Who could be the starting left back for this team? Let's be honest, right? She's the left best left back in the league besides Casey short isn't playing for this team. Partly is in who knows the exact like the decision making trade, but she decided not to play because she didn't want to wear rainbow dirty colors because she opposes gay marriage and overall, you know, I don't want to speak on her behalf. But that's the reason why I'm interview with the seven hundred club that made it pretty clear. You know, her stance on homosexuality, you know, she was allowed to make a stance and be public about it. So I think there's nothing wrong with Megan repeal making a stance about visiting the president. If we're going to give we can't fault jilting whether you agree with her or not. And you can't fault making her Pino if you're not, because that's why we play. That's why we represent America in America. We have the right say with one. Let's turn our attention to the game here I think everybody assumes or kind of feels like these are the two best teams in the tournament and can't. No you and I were talking about this on ESPN AFC the other day, you kinda lament that we're getting the two best teams in the tournament this early at the quarterfinal stage, Julie. I wonder I if you agree that these are the two best teams that you've seen so far. And then if you do think that do you wish we'd get this game in the final, or you actually happy that we have it now? I do agree. These are the two best teams. And even though we haven't, I think seeing the best of France yet. I also agree with Kate that it's a bummer. We're getting at this early because one, you know. You never wanna lose either of these teams United States was we've seen what our fan base brings the energy, we bring to the sternum, even across the pond. We still bring that energy and you never wanna lose the host, but one of them's going, so your two main attractions are gone after this quarterfinal match, which is such a bummer 'cause it really should be a final, but having said that it's you know it's a dream game in Paris on a Friday night. So I'm super bombed above that. What are you most confident in Julie? When you look at this US team the matchup against France, like where do you feel best about this team? I feel best in their midfield, which is going to get into another discussion about, you know with him. Yeah, what that midfield is gonna look like 'cause I feel like that midfield is, is playing well. And, and holding the ball and everyone else starts click around them. And especially those fronts, where he which we've talked at great length about in terms of them needing to step up that game. And especially against the better team in France is the most Spain did so, well, so I, I really like those three and what's interesting is those three are in their first world head, really the, you know, the three that have been playing well, there's four obviously with earth's, but stimulus Lindsey her and rose Novell. And I you know, it'll be interesting. I don't know what you want to get into that discussion now. Or we. That could be an entire podcast. Yeah. It will be interesting to see what they choose to do with Lindsay Graham getting really limited minutes on against Spain. I think okay, they're going to go with rand rose and hurts. I think it's gonna bring meals off the bench. I think it's really depend on call. They felt haram does against French opponents. 'cause you know sometimes when you play against players all the time in a club system. So in might have your number right? So if Jill has that historical data it'd be like, how did Lindsay fair against, you know, Almundena Anri like how did she fare against salvia? How did she fare against these players because it does leave a psychological footprint on how you perform less time in that either can motivate you like I needed to better or gives you confidence, or it can intimidate you. So I think that's gonna be a data point from what she's got to make this decision. I just think it's hard not MU played really well Roseville. I mean, I think the three best players on the field, against Spain were midfield. I mean, duly, I didn't have to do anything spectacular. But that's exactly what that role demands sometimes and allowed Samuel. So I thought had better positional dip discipline to not compact the field and to stay off that front line and Roosevelt, who was doing what Roosevelt does? So I don't know. I mean I can see you're taking off Roosevelt from a defensive aspect more than I can see you're taking off Samuels because of the Ariel threat that Samuels provides. But then you lose your creator. You know, I don't know. I think they gotta do it Norway did. Right. I think the, the other option which I don't love either as you put earth centreback position. And you, you put haram there in the six with Rosen, Tammy above her. But then you messing with your centreback hand him which of either. I mean the way I look at it, it's basically six players for five spots. Right. You've got your to centreback three. Midfielders Sauerbrun doll. Kemper. Erz. Lavelle. Iran mucus those of the six players, and there's only five spots, Mulas would seem to be the one based on everything. We know up to the build up who would be the odd player out. I mean, it's kind of what I'm hearing in both of your responses, isn't it? Well, I do like to with Iran, that you get, and you cut out a little bit Kate. So I'm not sure if you send this already, but that you get that creativity. I think she said you get that creativity out of haram from defer position deal for France, as we know on, raves Chinaglia, they so Mair. So I mean, the creative players they have in their if they if they if the US is chasing the game, which could happen. That's a problem for them. I like that creative element for sure. With iran. Kate is we look at the match up from the other perspective like this French team, and how they would attack the US. What are you most worried about French is? You're talking about front Francis strength. Yeah. Like a US weaknesses they match. Yeah. I think it's going to be strength versus weakness on the flanks. Right. It's gonna be US as weakness defensively, and I listened to other podcast, too, because I learned from others, and then sometimes I'm like all they said that better than we did. Or oh, they got that completely wrong, one that says it better than new to, oh, I think, stools, I agree. No teasing. Totally joking. I, I think that left hand side, and every in its acknowledgeable, it's, so it's the point where FOX actually you didn't see this box, actually did a video breakdown of our weakness on the left hand side, and they circled done, and showed how she keeps pitching in and all, and then we're repeal wasn't covering back and for FOX to do that, right. Granted it was when all the internationals were on the studio panel. Right. I was like, ooh, it is so apparent like, it's obviously a parent, but it's to the point where if they're willing to spend a segment on the video analysis, the US weakness, that is pretty, that's pretty telling well, it's interesting too, because Corinne, Deocracy, the, the French coach in her press conference today, send that we've noticed some weaknesses on the US side. And she, of course, would not say with she wouldn't. I do think Spain clearly had a game plan to attack that left side of the US, because they put Garcia literally with her her, her shoes must have had. Shock on them because she was on that sideline that, that they're right side, the United States left side the entire game. She stayed up high pressed against the sideline. So they just kept overloading that left side in the entire game. You know, the thing too, that is interesting, this element that I don't think France, fears the US anymore. No. And that was always something. We had in our back pocket. We knew that mentally we could own teams because they always fear the United States. And they had to get over that hurdle on top of it, France. Look at there, look at the results south and seventeen they beat the United States three now look at the results, this January, they beat the United States three to one. And we've seen the articles about Abby Wambach saying to Wendy Renard how much the US hates to play France, and how she logged hit her brain hedged. It in her brain was sharpie. So I do think that's an element that will be interesting in this World Cup and probably the purse World Cup. They come in to go. Going. Hey, we'd beating them in and literally that January game. Here in France could have been five to one easily the US was lucky mind, you, they didn't it's January and they're not in their game fitness and it's not starting lineup. They will have of course, I'm Friday night, but it could have been five one in that game. Yeah. I think it's, it's gonna be interesting to see how it's managed right? Especially because if you'll start crystal done what you imagine. It's like how do you tell her because this is a player like it's not crystal fall. Let's make that clear and he's always been really good about saying that she plays a number. He plays in the ten for North Carolina courage. She's like, in the best eleven as an attacking midfielder, but they wanted to get as many attackers on the field. And so they've converted her to a leftback. So she's still learning this position. And it's one of the most outside backs in wingbacks are the most demanding positions at soccer nowadays because you're asked to do so much creativity as well as managed the physical workload. She gets pinched over so much right now. And it's she second guessing everything in her footwork is always take two. Steps forward. And then recover instead of just hold your ground. Get on the half, turn and see where it goes. And that's something that happens through hours and hours, repetition, repetition repetition, excuse me, of footwork on how to handle clearances and change point balls from a defensive standpoint. And she doesn't have that. So I just it's going to be fascinating. I don't know. I almost wonder and you know what? I'm just I'm just visualizing right now too. Is that January game, Emily FOX is on that left hand side? I forget what was done was on the Ryder. She was injured. But Emily FOX is on that left hand side at outside back, and I think that was her first start against France in France core thing, right? She's a college kid and Cascarino India ni on that right side, just lit up, which they're going to be looking to do for sure you're talking about that. You guys. Go read it. I tweeted about it. Foudy is referencing. It is that Wall Street Journal article because they're quotes from when the Renault. Hard saying these are the changes we made. But when Abby Wambach said that about us, then I know that we can compete and how Francis become faster front after playing the United States decker came in and attention to detail. They've never had a strength coach before they've never had anyone managing sports science before. And also this is a team that this entire we since their last game. They've been training at national training centre Clairefontaine for better fields and recovery, and region. Something that is unheard of in a World Cup competition by the host team that you go and find your own practice facility, so just kind of fascinating. Or more note on the crystal dumping because I think it's, it's worth mentioning as you touched on a Kate. Like she was the leading score in the most competitive women's league in the world in two thousand fifteen as a forward out and out striker currently on another team nother coach and other system. Say most competitive league in the world. She's playing as the key number ten on the best team in the league and you could make the argument best Women's Club team in the world. I don't know if I agree with that, but it can certainly be made a I spoke with crystal in Saint Louis. It's just a paint the picture, right? Let this is an attacking player everywhere else. She's been this idea of her as a leftback is very much Jill Alice present day national team. She told me in Saint Louis that she'd be lying if she said she's one hundred percent. Great new amazing at the left back role. She said it's important for people to realize I'm still learning a want to get better. I wanna keep climbing. But that's not too. Say that when the World Cup starts I won't be ready. And she reminded me then to, to really the only other time that she'd played outside back was with the under seventeen national team in a three pack system. So Julie point is here. This is one hundred percent a idea. And if you know anything about crystal don's past, you know, this is not this is square peg round hole. You know when she she did play on the youth national teams that outside back position like as you just said. But when when she and then when she was brought onto the senior national team she was playing in higher positions early on. And then she lost her starting spot, and she started for the first time a few years ago, I think it outside back again. And she played so well that game I said, be careful crystal, you're going to end up getting that out my bags earning spot, and she laughed and there she has it right. She laughed he's like I know. Right. But the thing with crystal and I think why she gets into trouble positionally. She's so fast in the first two three steps and year when she bounces down onto the ground. She'd literally bounces right? Back up and her reaction time is so quick. So she can get away with that position aimed being narrow. Sometimes mind you, if you're playing against now the next level, where to Kate's point you got faster players and they brought on to beat those type of players. You know, maybe horr- action time isn't isn't gonna work and she's not going to be able to catch them. She's been able to that's where she's able to save herself with some of the challenges of learning that position still. It's a great point. And I think the one thing in this is a this is not just a Jill Ellison issue. Finding a leftback has always been very difficult with the exception of Daniel Slayton who ended up having microfracture surgery, Sourani, never recovered. But that was probably the best pure back. The US has ever had a club. He was excellent. The silent assassin one of the best players on the US team of all time for about four years, but was so quiet. You never known, but we all knew her quality. She was converted to a left back from a central position. And as a defender, I knew if I wanted playing time that every single scrimmage when we kind of just go out and play instead of parking myself on the right outside back spot, or the center part, I would go park myself on the left outside back spot because I knew no one else was gonna take it. And I knew in this spout. This is two thousand three World Cup. I knew if I wanted to play. And I wanted significant time I should just train there as much as I could ensure enough when you looked at the rotating squad of three or four outside backs that we had I had the most playing time because I was only when they would go out and play on the left and I'm right footed, so I was right footed, so that's just it's, it's not just to Jill Ellis issue. It's not just a women's issue. Also, US men's national team issue as well. So where are all the onside? That's a question for another time. One more question for me here just to kind of really. Get a sense of what's at stake tomorrow. And julia. I'll start with you on this. Jill Ellis has won a World Cup. But since the Olympic she has been heavily criticised, if the US loses tomorrow, do you think she stays on as a manager? Want it probably depends how they lose. To if it's an ugly loss like clearly, they were outplayed. No, I don't think she stays on. And I think there's an option in our contract for US soccer to get out as well after this World Cup. But I think it depends depends depends how the game goes and how they lose. And I mean look at look at what's been happening, right? Look at VAR look at Japan going out, and how Australia fought till the very end and Brazil and. So, but no, it's not to have those two consecutive few thousand sixteen quarters two thousand nineteen quarters, and we'll see teacher. Buy that. What do you think the hiring and firing a coach is not a simple? Yes or no? You need to see if they've lost the locker room, you need to see if they player Byeon. You can you can only really tell that if you're on the ground and talking to some of the key veterans and also some of the key young players, you imagine become the leaders of this team in the next cycle, and you have to do it by results and it's a combination I think outy nailed it. It's how do they play like if they lose because they get beat on the left-hand flank side, and you have Casey short at home? That's a sign that, that was a bad roster choice that becomes very difficult. I think to give a reason why she should stay Guiliani. Final thoughts ahead of the match tomorrow. No. Thank you. You covered everything. Thoughts actually, that's the first. I didn't think if we missed any other angles I think we got it all I think we got. Plus, we got Julian, the Ron coming on later in the show, who's going to give us the full breakdown of France, or we look forward to that Julia, thanks as always for the time, much appreciated. All right. Mr. guys miss Joyce job as always. Bye. Thank you. All right. Then great chat with Julie. We're gonna come back in just a minute after the break and recap, what was England and noise. But first, reminder, Hulu is paying Tobin heath Carly, Lloyd, Mallory Pugh and other US. 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England impressive on the scoresheet and pretty impressive on the field that seems like a fair result for what we saw today, isn't it Kate, I would say they deserve to win. I'd say they put away some nice goals, especially on that, right? Hand side. Those combinations, were well worked, but there were some defensive frailties and you don't know if that's because they were head and they kind of lost concentration, and then it's really hard to assess like, that's a knock on them or of a lack of concentration, or if there's a knock in that there's a bone ability there in the second half and just due to Norway's inability to convert on the final, there are really quite poor and their chances weren't, we'll taken the ones that they created through some hard work. But then the end product was lacking. So England in that first half create some beautiful goals, and that set piece goal on the second one started third raining, Brown. Yeah. Right from Lucy Brown, who has been down all week with the virus as well as Millie bright. Those question will question marks coming into this game, and they really showed that even though they probably were not one hundred percent because it does take time right to come back and be able to play for ninety minutes. At a high level after you've been sick and ill. They did enough but Norway, they look tired didn't they it could be his England with so much faster than them. But Norway did not do a lot of squad -tations route this tournament. They didn't play a lot of different players. They had some grueling games against France, as well as Australia, twin to extra time, and even though they had extra days rest. I just think they're coming off the end of a European season lots of club and country games close. Probably sixty games this year. They looked the more tired of the two you mentioned mealy bright and Lucy bronze who were dealing with a flu. Some type of illness that we're told is kinda storming through the English camp. Steph, Houghton was a doubt as well, the centerback hers with an ankle knock that she picked up in that game against Cameroon. Phil Neville, told us all the stuff, you said yesterday, you thought maybe with some gamesmanship and turns out the two players wanna down the two centrebacks outnumber, right? Were right there in the starting eleven. Yeah. I think it's always smart. I mean not. Say that they didn't. They weren't question marks and Mushin is how big are those. Like what was the font on those Russian marksman knows like nine ten or was fifteen and really doubt when you get knocked on the ankle it hurts in the movement. Like, when it's, it's not a sprain, like you had to play through the pain. So I'm not surprised at how and played the illness. So, you know, Milly bright, she was that said she got she got put a tough test today. It looked like she was told to shut down Graham Hanson, from Norway, and she definitely harried Hanson enough. The Hanson, probably had her worst performance of the World Cup. Even though she stills on the bulletin to just wasn't as effective with the ball. When we saw the Norway lineup is soon as it came out. We were know if it was in the green room or in one of these hallways here, you kinda hinted that you knew what the plan was going to be as soon as you saw the lineup. What did you mean by that? And do they get it wrong? So at lend they like to play a four four two. So when uplands not in the lineup you know, that's she come. She comes in the second half as a forward is one of the two, you know. That they're going to go more defensive because then they kinda still play or save now comes in for outland and she plays that right wing bat. Right. Mid and she does a lot of defensive tracking because what they're trying to do is shut down the wings. But on she plays more on the right hand side. So today, you could just tell it was more about Mindy, like I just think the, the ball movement was so incredible from England, especially Lucy bronze on the second goal Ellen white starts that. So this is what's Ellen white had a great game. But it's not just because we're finishing or even her dummy that she might say done that we all know she was probably trying to shoot it. It just went through a legs. But what she did is she got that ball off the back played it quick to Lucy bronze continue to run. And then Lucy bronze played that beautiful ball into parachute. Then let it go. I mean, it was just so worked that it was impressive in the Jill Scott. Right. That was another player who's played in three World Cups, and has now scored in every World Cup. She's played in, but it's really Hurley riding runs and the timing of those that's impeccable because. Offense. That's really tough to pick up and the midfield from Norway very similar to do their game against Nigeria could not keep up with the pace, not baseness early on, like overall quality or what I think of their careers. But if I had to pick a full were left in this competition right now based on today's form. I think I'd take Ellen white, and I include Alex Morgan in that. Do you think she's the best forward left on form? I think her ability find pockets of space and quickly released the ball and the accuracy that comes along with her being so composed. It's almost like the game slows down for her in the box because her ability to skipper, footwork right to hit at one time. And also, it's a quality of service is getting some excellent service, and then other times, she isn't she needs to take that a second touch, but that I touch controls the ball so well. So I think yell abra Bush wrote this, and she said, you know, the one thing in the always does. Well as it strikes the ball really, really. Well, there's the technique on the ball in terms of passing and straight driving. The ball is just so good. And I. You can see that Ellen white her on the half turn her with her back to goal. She just knows where to be, and she's calm in those big moments to put away. So right now, she is, as full Noah put droppable, and I think that's a really good adjective for. So we just did a segment for ESPN FC and. We talk about this a little bit differently there than maybe we do here. We're not as I would say. So, you know, we're not as. We're not as in the weeds, one of the things that we talked about though, there was. All right. So we know England gets a winner France US and everybody saying the winner of France. US is the favorite to go on from here on out. So clearly people see a difference between England and France and the US. What does that difference as best you can explain it, Lisa? The England was a bit sloppy until their goals with some other passes, and you saw that they're trying to figure out how to provide cover for their back line, but we saw that, that back line can get pulled apart a little bit. And they also sometimes just are careless and it doesn't happen. It doesn't happen a ton. But it happens enough this tournament that we've seen against Cameroon. We saw it. They were aided through an offside by somebody's honestly, the bottom of their cleaton, the Cameroonian forward that was that triggered some of the protests in the just kind of escalated that game to what it became and today, we saw and head Norway been more clinical. I mean, I think the shots on target. So the shots on Tara. Guit for Norway was seven and the Charleston tiger for England were nine. So if that gives you any idea like Norway was in this, but they just could not put anything in it to off target. So they just couldn't put anything of real danger. And the one time they do Milly bright plays, a backpass to slow and, again, not understanding the speed of those around. Her was, too. Slow backs. Karen Bardsley has to come up with stuck in that no-man's-land and Oatlands. The substitute comes in races on should've gone down, because she partly does get her leg. I thought you could have had partly out for a semi-final there. Yeah. That was a moment where like that could have changed everything for the rest of the tournament for England even though the matches already decided. Yeah. And give credit to outland for not going down. Right. Because she she wasn't tripped up here now so that you should go down. I think professional person of pressure player in that moment. Like, if that, you know, I think sometimes you'll see that as a player gets older, they know how to use the system to their advantage. But as a defender, and someone who knows that I don't think barley was partly, it was trying to take her out. Bardsley isn't typically. Type of keeper in she's a California native family member is English as she plays for England and she's had a good tournament, but she gets caught out, and I don't really think that's her fault. I think that's more a million rights. It's her ball back that was issue and Steph, Houghton right all goal line clearance. Perfect read of angle. She needed take an upland news. Be better in that moment. You've been waiting for this. Well, no waiting, but but you've been talking about this bronze Paris right side for a while. Yeah. I think not only is it the best that we saw. And maybe these things are connected England look today. It's the most impactful those two have been today. You think I think so? Yeah. I mean Br bronze is rampaging teary minutes in just is is what opens that game up? Yeah. That I fifteen minutes actually thought they were more impressive against Scotland and Ovitz because the first game is the first and it was like goes, first forty five minutes Freeman were really going on that right hand side. But today what they did was more impactful. Scotland Norway different levels. True. True. Actually, don't know in that left hand side though. I think that, that is when we also preview, Norway, I'm like there weeks by the left hand side. And sure enough, like we were actually, right? Yes. Every once in a while it happens. I'm like, wow. Yes, I'm right again. Let me just see if I could hurt my arms. I Pat myself on the back the five hundred times. I just think it's interesting. And also, are you going to perish take another PK? Because that's the second one she's missed today was a poor PK like her first one was like a good save by. Leeann Zander from Scotland. The second one today that was at a salable high. I think Daniels slate nailed the call on that one had a gem Smith and I'm going to butcher the name. Sorry. Norwegian Smith, he'll smell he jumps up throwing nine year old goal he'd been around forever. Two thousand three her career Scandinavian goalkeepers. I'm just going to say it between her in Lindahl within the rules of the game. And it was also interesting. Is that this new rules of the game on the handball, right? 'cause my was calling for handball in the first half was one, oh there was. What did you think of that? No. Because that's the new rule. Right at the hits off another body part, and then hit your arm, then it's not a handball. So so that pretty good. It's Demi Stokes. I liked the England putting Demi Stokes, I think she's better defensively than Alex Greenwood. I would keep this starting eleven for good. I would this would be my starting eleven Dugan or again, Tony Duggan, still not great. He's come back from that injury. I don't still knows how to like work with everybody or something. Off. Maybe the next game will be her coming out party. I want to say goodbye to Norway, but first US soccer stars like Tobin heath Carli, Lloyd, Mallory Pugh, and others are getting paid a lot of money by Hulu. Why to do a goal celebration called Hulu has live sports? It's all to let you know, one simple message who has live sports. You can watch the biggest games in sporting events on sixty plus top channels no cable required. Plus, you can stream the entire Hulu library. Start your free trial of who today live TV plan required. Restrictions apply. Learn more at Hulu dot com. I was really interested in this Norwegian team before the tournament Kate, and I'll tell you why. Because I didn't know which category, they fit in where they going to be part of this new European wave that seems to be taking over women's football. Or are they on the other side of the coin which is kind of one of the original powers that for whatever reason has seen their status in the game decline? And I think if you looked at the last two World Cup performances from Norway, you might think they were kind of like an old power hanging onto what's left of their once greatness. But in this tournament, I feel like they very much proved that they are part of this new UEFA wave. I think they are in a resurgence. They have a new coach playing toy different style. So Norway, what you always knew to expect was very they had that, mental endurance to withstand games, even when things weren't going that way without, and they wouldn't all of a sudden become panicked. But what's different is now though, playing more possession oriented soccer before it would be kicked along ball and the. You'd have someone who's excellent in the air but their organization around the first and second ball was impeccable. So they've picked up that second ball and then then they would attack, so they'd bypass your midfield line, and they'd get it up into their frontline. And at that point why the ball's traveling the two midfielders would help. Join so full Soviet go Branson was a name Hege Reese resale was Arlene, one of the one of the best midfielders we've ever played the game for Norway. They would get the ball then and then they would distribute so they beat the pressure in and traveled fifty ours just using a long ball. But their organization off the long ball service was just unbelievable. And now they're not doing that. You're not seen that long ball mentality. And it's interesting is that the players have offer Norway have acknowledged that this is a step. They were horrible in the euros. Right. It prompted Hege bird to leave for lots of different reasons. But one, I think she realized, like, I'm not gonna have a supporting cast I have with leeann, this is gonna be really tough our team. We're not going to get this, right? But that might have been a bit. Prema-. Mature if her reasons at all included, how good this Norway team could be because you have Graham Hansen Goto Ryton Angan who I thought got better who I still think you get more out of young players that liked to play the ball in know how to do it. They're changing the way that they play and shoguns contract comes up in November. So the question in the players want him to come back. So the players are buying in. And they think this is this could work. Now, if Norway had a left hand side that was good defensively. This might have been a different game today. Martin Shogren the Swedish coach for Norway been coaching in the Swedish women's league for quite some time before he took over this program before the tournament started Kate all the talk about Noah was about the player that wasn't there oughta Hagberg just direct question. Do you think they would have been a semi final team? She's on the roster. I don't know. She make that much of a difference. I don't know. I really don't. I totally I do not know I actually have not seen her play other than the in the. And when in the French league it's a blow out. So it's like you can't really see how good she is against an organized back line. Or maybe when she has to create a little bit more on her own and not rely on Lissa mayor and other players to help her. I, I don't know how good she would a bed. Sitting out the tournament for reasons that, you know. You know, kind of at I maybe seem unclear but she has talked about it quite a bit didn't feel that the Norwegian FAA was up to standards, her standards. And so she's not with the national team I should point out in October of two thousand seventeen the Norwegian FA came to a deal with the men's and women's national teams where both would be paid equally that meant the women's pot basically doubled and the men's pot shrunk by about seventy thousand dollars so that it would be a even in that was a decision that the Norwegian men's players. Right. Took kind of on their own went to the FAA. So there's been a lot of talk about what men's national team player say about women's national team players. There was an article out on deadspin that seemed a little bit like a hit piece and that ended up being proven like, well there, there is some factual inaccuracies potentially that, that one is. I don't really wanna come in on the audacity to comment on his saying, like whether or not that interview or those requests for input ever, really happened his back and forth between people so, yeah, Hege Berg, could they I don't know. I mean, it would have made them better. It made them. So good today. That they converted on more chances possibly. Right. But the maybe England would have come out differently because they would have to know they had to meditate a bird, because that centre-back pairing wasn't good enough today for someone of England for someone to handle, they couldn't have handled Hager brick the way and the level that they were out today because it could barely handle who was being thrown at them today. I mean they did good against gram Hansen, Butlin got plenty of chances. Her slogan got some chances. So. A reminder of Norway's history. In this tournament. They reached at least the semis and four of the first five World Cups won it all in one thousand nine hundred five cents a group stage exit and then a round of sixteen exit for years ago and now the quarterfinals here. So it seems like a once powerhouse program has at least if nothing else stabilize welcome back to ESPN AFC special coverage of the two thousand nine hundred nine women's World Cup Keeton said back here with you don't like the break promises on this show. And we told you we were gonna have Julian Laurent. However, we've also told you that things are crazy right now in Paris with the heat wave and the transportation issues that are tied into that heat wave and all the pollution. They got going on. Anyway. Jones got caught up in all of that. So he won't be able to join us. I will say this. If you want insight into the US opponent, you're not gonna find a better source. I don't think Julian Laurent. He was on episode twelve this podcast episode seven different points of the tournament. So you kind of got to see the evolution of the. French team throughout everything that's going on around it. So if you want to learn more about France, episode twelve and seven the place start because he educated escape he did. And he he read it different wrinkles hadn't thought about. And I was like ooh. That's good. And you gotta love that with me think you see the game one way, and it's great to see the little added dimension that he brings to assess it, but in general, like it's it's fascinating to read the different media accounts, where it's like, you know England way to stay composed. Great job. Right talking about camera. And like US like beating Spain is like greedy performance. France spinning Brazil that was crap. We need to be better, you know, so and someone. I mean that's a parody. Right. Someone had put that up on Twitter. But I'm like, that's actually kind of true like let's call a Spade a Spade, and this was good that was bad. And the overall takeaway in the tone is somewhat different. But if you're France, yet to be happy with where the team is. I think they're getting better every game. But I also think they have been exposed for certain things, but this is the most prepared France team has ever been on the field tactics. Technically in speedways or the fastest they've ever been and then just the mental part, which to me seems like that that win over Brazil in the last moments that was the way went down the way out. Yeah, because that's an it's important to note that like in. It's not to be like talked about the US mentality, but that was something that even France talks about, right? And they say executing in the moments like concentrating in the moments execution execution is how they've done it instead of like us being like, you know, mentality there's all about execution in that moment. They had it how well does Julian they're on notice French team, while everybody else seemed to be surprised when Guyton Tina was out of the lineup. He called it on our show, so he knows not only coming or, you know, what, what could becoming in Corinne, diasporas. What's coming out of her sleep? The real reason I want to ask gills about was this crazy report in l'equipe. Did you see this Kate probably not? Okay. So apparently. And I'm kind of. Google translating through the French here. So stick with me a group of five people snuck in eighty a parked apprentice stadiums awesome. They played like a mini game on the pitch. Okay. So what's going on with stadium security first question, and then they stole the World Cup mascot costume gives you some nice in the video footage of this. Like afterwards, you must just be like, what do these people must be out of their mind? And I know what you're wondering. You're saying, oh, who is the mascot of the mascot is eh t is the mascots name and Kate. I'm sure you know this. She is a young chicken with a passion for life and football. That's the description of something lost in translation. But if you look I mean what is on there? It's the three Fs. Right. Is that a rooster or chicken on there? So actually funny, you should ask Eddie is the daughter he did not skip. This, by the way, this is actually shit amid conversation. This is Eddie is the daughter of food peaks, who everyone remembers was the rooster mask. Scott. Okay. Nine hundred ninety eight which is also on the jersey for the French and also every time you go, and look at their website or just fell in the description of a young chicken with a passion for life in football, as I'm just thinking about, like the lineage of rooster chicken yawn. Not a scientist. So I don't I do know a little bit about soccer. I think I know how scoring works score prediction for tomorrow. Stuck in this. What do you think? Husbandry is going through my head just cheese. I think it's gonna be close. I do think it's going to be tight one, one. I think I would love it. If the US came out a bit more defensive and pull France out a little bit to create some pockets instead of being that high pressure team that would be that would go against the US mentality a little bit. But at that is the biggest weakness of, of any United States. Team is to say here, here's the ball. Let us counterattack you. Right. But I think that's the US is biggest strengths are so dangerous on the counter-attack France has come out and said, you know, we know some of their weaknesses and we're not gonna tell you what those weaknesses are. But it seems like you know, the physical way in which France plates would Spain played Francis something they're going to emulate. Alex Morgan doesn't look to be one hundred percent. So I imagine they're going to being taken that physicality on her. I think it's going to be one, one. I think ruined extra time. Wow. I think we're going to extra time. I just think the environment I think the best US will come out, but I think France, which which will make them. I think there's some significant, gaps that US team on that left hand side that I think France could have a field day with. But I think the very best left hand size gonna come out tomorrow. So, because you said, extra time I have to ask the question in case just if this does go to a penalty shootout. And maybe the answer is nothing does him. I think there's going to be gone extra time. Do you think so I think it's going to one what makes you say that I just think one team? I just think they have enough quality and fitness and mental endurance in the hunters minute ver- both these sides that someone's going to be able to convert. Right. No one's gonna much quality, right? Right. The the conversion rate their ability on the ball. But the speed at which just game is gonna be played. I mean that potential. I mean, this is the two fastest teams in the tournament with a good tactical fundamental underpinning, as well. So it should be interest. She says extra time but no penalties. Drama drama drama in Paris. I can't wait. It is the match. We have all been waiting for France. US in the quarterfinals in Paris on Friday for Kate. I'm said and we will see you tomorrow to break down the biggest game so far at the two thousand nineteen women's World Cup.

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