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"julian assange" Discussed on Parcast Presents
"Volume they provided never before seen insight into the war with Afghanistan and its ramifications, not unlike Daniel Ellsberg Pentagon papers had with the Vietnam War almost forty years earlier. Among the most sensitive documents discussed where the hundreds of unreported civilian deaths that had resulted from the fighting. The documents also described how the United States had lied to the public by covering up evidence that the Taliban had acquired deadly missiles. ASSANGE and his colleagues worked furiously to sift through the documents yelling out whenever anyone found anything of note. But as they made their way through the Intel the issue of redaction arose, that is removing the names of the people mentioned in the documents in order to protect them from retaliation. ASSANGE colleagues pressed him to redact the material. His wikileaks team reiterated the request. Even a White House spokesman who had caught wind of the impending league, pleaded with Assange to censor information that could lead to any individuals being harmed. Assange for his part seemed relatively unconcerned. Pointing out that they had to get these documents out before the US government stopped them. They do their best to redact, but wikileaks was going to make sure. The public knew the truth even at a price. In the end fifteen thousand of the ninety one thousand documents were withheld because the names couldn't be redacted in time. The rest of the documents seem to be redacted. But there wasn't time to make sure. Every name was hidden before assange deadline. At ten. Zero Three PM on tenth two thousand ten Wiki leaks in its mainstream media partners published the Afghan war logs. The news sent shockwaves across the world. Shock at the US law has at the civilian deaths that had been suppressed. And at the sheer size of this information leak international headlines wasted no time tapping into the drama programs like Larry King Live and dateline covered the leak, interviewing assange and asking if he believed that war crimes had been committed. But while assange was pleased to see the Afghan logs dominating the media. Trouble was afoot. The seventy seven thousand papers published still contain the names of people of interest in the quickly came under fire for putting their lives at risk. Amnesty International and Reporters Without Borders once wikileaks supporters wrote to assange condemning the careless journalism. From their viewpoint, he'd only gotten sloppier since the collateral murder video. They wrote that publishing the report represented a real problem, a methodology and therefore credibility. This was no Washington insider. Judiciously distributing a few documents he believes should be made public. This was a wholesale assault on the rate of the government to have secrets. At the same time for much of the public, the incident clarified why though secrets were sometimes justified? frivolously publicizing the names and locations of vulnerable targets could lead to the death of Americans and their allies. The US government, and the FBI meanwhile were reeling. The New York Times reported the Justice Department lawyers were exploring whether wikileaks could be charged with inducing or conspiring in violation of the espionage act. Complicating! Matters were assange journalistic rights which had been established in the Cayman Islands case in which he hoped would protect him even now. After all, he wasn't the individual doing the leaking. He hadn't hacked into government files himself. He was simply reporting on documents. That came his way. At, least so, said his supporters. But their numbers were dwindling. Others claimed was nothing more than a spy passing. Intel to the United States as enemies. Whether, he did it through a public form or not didn't matter. It would be a bitter debate, but it was one. The US government was determined to win journalistic protections.
"julian assange" Discussed on Parcast Presents
"This ruling stood the entire. Free press would be in jeopardy. Thanks to the pressure from such a monumental coalition judge white reversed his decision within two weeks, wikileaks and assange were free to keep informing the public of whatever secret documents they got their hands on. For now. But not all of the attention. The case garnered was positive. If! Assange hadn't been on the US military's radar before he definitely was now. The, US Army's counterintelligence center even issued a special report in March two thousand eight focused entirely on wikileaks, which ironically enough assange got ahold of and leaked to two years later. According to the report, wikileaks posed an information security threat. Assange wasn't a classic whistle blower, a government insider with personal access to top secret documents, but that as far as the military was concerned, made him all the more dangerous. Who knows how far he would go how many secrets he would share, and who his revelations might hurt. Still if the US government was thinking about him, assange wasn't concerning himself with the government yet. He was focusing his efforts on other matters of public importance. Assange continued to post damning documents on wikileaks throughout two thousand eight. There were leaks from the Church of Scientology which detailed the organizations instructions for dealing with negative press including blackmail. Next assange published a list of Sarah Palin emails. The vice presidential candidate had been accused of using her private email account for official government matters. Successful Hack mere weeks before the election proved these accusations. But, even then assange was just beginning to scratch the surface of the nation secrets. He didn't dive into the deep end until April two thousand ten..
Julian Assange faces new indictment in the U.S.
"The founder of wikileaks is facing new superseding indictment in the U. S. for allegedly recruiting and conspiring with computer hackers in a release the justice department announced the charges against Julian Assange for engaging hackers to help the information site the department of justice as the new indictment does not add to the eighteen counts against us on from last year but broadens the scope of the conspiracy surrounding alleged
"julian assange" Discussed on Stuff They Don't Want You To Know Audio
"Just a few days ago as we record this behind the curtain, interest of transparency, it is may sixth Wednesday. A lovely day outside in Atlanta as far as I can tell. Blustery. I would say yes. I love it. I was writing on the Portugal record out there. Just just a few days ago. Julian assange received word that he will have to wait until at least September of twenty twenty before a British judge will hear the US request for his extradition. This comes to us from a possibly biased source to be fair Kristen. Franson the editor in chief of wikileaks earlier, they said a video posted on social media that it's unacceptable and confirmed that assange likely asked to spend another four months at least in prison, and if a hearing does come to pass in September, that means that he will have spent one year in prison after being dragged out of that embassy on his. What was that is charge of fifty weeks for jumping bail? Yeah, that he was supposed to be let out. In what you say September last year. Yes, Yup, that's correct. and. Additionally the editor there. wikileaks said he was not able to set assange. That is was not able to attend some earlier hearings via video link because he was unwell. So. That gives us unless that spin that gives us a pretty solid argument that, at least in his case, the health concerns are real of reporters, said he was deteriorating mentally already when he was in the Ecuadorian embassy, so the fate of Assange may actually set a legal precedent in the United States, regardless of where you stand with these leaks in particular I can't really denied. Denied that they pushed the public in multiple countries to hold politicians accountable will attempt to do so anyway. imagine a world where any disclosure, even if it's incredibly vital to the public interest, becomes a crime, and that's like dystopia in kind of stuff right there. Whistleblower protections which have historically been better on paper than an actual practice have truly eroded in the time since..
"julian assange" Discussed on Stuff They Don't Want You To Know Audio
"Here's where it gets crazy. What's happening out? Well it turns out that conspiracy to expose conspiracies has not worked out especially well for Julian assange. Yes you'll recall. How we sat assange was sentenced to fifty weeks in jail Well he was due to be released. In September of two thousand nineteen. The twenty second specifically win is jail term for breaching that bail Ended and they just didn't let them help the Westminster Magistrate's Court noted that there were substantial grounds for believing if free assange would make another run attempting to gain safe status or like Edward Snowden. Make it to a country that would not extradite him to the United States. I mean it's sort of. It's the same way a court assesses anyone's risk of flight. You know they won't grants you bail or they'll make your bail excessively high if they or if they even think that you're GonNa let alone if you've got a established pattern of doing that. Which assange absolutely had so. Julian assange remains in the Belmarsh prison in the United Kingdom his partner lawyer Stella Morris who he has two children with recently said quote the life of my partner. Julian assange severely at risk. He is on demand at H. M. P. Belmarsh and covid nineteen spreading within its walls. So this is a absolutely topical here More sees more than just a San's assange personal health in jeopardy here Saying that quote Julia needs to be released now for him for our family and for the Society. We all want our children to grow up in. Yes okay yeah I mean it depends on what what your take is on on that particular vision of society that assange espouses you know and again I mean a big part of his character is the idea of like free speech about taking powerful people to task but he is absolutely Has Been and remains a super divisive figure So let's talk about a bigger picture issue here that we've addressed A little bit in some of our covid nineteen updates the risk of corona virus in prisons. We add. It's certainly a harry situation for anyone who is being kept anywhere within fairly close quarters to other human beings especially if there are any kind of sanitary issues within. Let's say a prison like that In a in prisons across the world people are being infected with coronavirus because it only takes one person to enter that closed system at some point to then in fact one other in then exponentially grow that outbreak. But in this particular prison impeach Belmarsh were Julian. Assange is at least two people within the prison have contracted covid nineteen or have contracted the coronavirus and are dealing with symptoms of Covid nineteen and prisons. Just in general are pretty rough places to be with individuals who have attributes and possibly charges pending against them for various things of varying severity and in these uncertain times there are higher than average odds of things like violence occurring within prisons. Where there's that kind of fear of something like corona virus or uprisings or maybe even riots very violent riots occurring within these prisons. Yeah yeah that's absolutely correct. In fact there are numerous reports already of riots about prison conditions in the US and abroad and in some countries prisoners have even successfully taken guards hostage not even necessarily to say. Hey we're throwing down the prison walls Let let my people go but more to say we need to bring attention to the pandemic bloodbath that may occur when we are locked in here like animals for whatever reason so this this prison angle has has a lot of fairly plausible conspiratorial aspects to it. Because you know we've seen the the kind of manufactured concerns that pop up in other celebrity prison stories. So what has a high paid lawyer like working for? Weinstein or something. Who says you know? He's very fragile therefore even though he's been convicted of these crimes he should get some sort of special treatment because it's the humane thing to do By the way for our and be fans are Kelly is looking for the same thing. The argument being that he has diabetes and covert is a blow through prison systems. But in assange case there solid evidence that his life may be at risk more so than a Weinstein more so than in our Kelly. Because not as much as a at Jeffrey steen not as much as an Epstein Right. We should call that we should make the Epstein scale. If you know a fellow conspiracy realist. If you have the time in the inclination please feel free to make an info graphic of the Epstein scale the likelihood of died in prison. You Know I. I just really quickly. This is a very interesting thing to think about because the reason Julian assange is in jail. You know is officially because of jumping bail but really when you put all of the math together. It's because he had Damning evidence against very powerful people right or he was able to release information about powerful people in the actions. They take that. Then you think about somebody like Jeffrey Epstein that likely allegedly had the worst kind of evidence against extremely powerful people and we saw what happened to him. You know who knows if it was like we can't prove to you if it was self inflicted or not self inflicted in his case but he was only in prison for a short time. That's all I would say right. Yeah it's very much worth pointing out that plenty of powerful people once this guy dead Even if they can't kill wikileaks which is also on the wishlist. We should note that You know the trump administration is currently attempting to extradite. Assange to the US however remember. We're we're very quickly going into the no real good morally grey territory because the desire to gain possession of assange transcends the growing stark ideological divide in domestic US politics establishment. Democrats want the guy under the jail or under the daisies as much as establishment Republicans. He has very few friends in Congress. You know what I mean and it's it's kind of misleading. That's why I appreciate the point. You made earlier about people liking hero or calling someone a hero until their principles. Whatever they may be run counter to our own principles idea of one person's freedom fighter is another person's terrorist. It all depends on what side of the issue. You fall a lot of times. You know what I mean. Certainly both sides can be guilty of What would be considered a negative acts or even atrocities but still in terms of the way you view The means justifying the ends. You could probably say well they might have done some bad things but they were no ultimately supporting what I think is a just cause and and we should point out in a in a no way baby but kind of moment. Let me tell you what really happened. the US is still of in damage control over this and has been since two thousand and six for more than a decade been damaged control here in the states. Uncle Sam says assange is not wanted because he caught the. Us doing so bad things red-handed or because he damaged the soft power of the reputation abroad or because he embarrassed the US. They say he's wanted. Because he illegally endangered the lives of Informants Aka spies or assets dissidents Aka also possibly Speiser assets. But maybe you know maybe sincere dissidents as well as activist Aka Speiser assets maybe maybe activists in multiple countries including of course Iraq Iran and Afghanistan. So what why what gives what. What is he actually going to be charged with or indicted for we know? Yeah there is an indictment impending charges standing against Julian assange from the United States. And I I'm going to boil it down to you. In the way that Jennifer Robinson explained it in a recent conversation with Glenn Greenwald she. She's a human rights attorney and she's representing assange and she explains it that the the charges essentially state that assange was communicating had communications of some sort with Chelsea manning at the time known as Bradley Manning and that assange disgust with Chelsea ways in which he could access highly classified materials in a way. That would protect your identity. That's really what it's saying. That's the whole thing. Assange was was in connection with Chelsea Manning and Chelsea manning got the materials to him and then he released them in also according to Jennifer. There's a widely held misconception. That's just kind of been floating around and it started from this department of Justice press release. That came out not that long ago and within this release it falsely stated at least according to Robinson that assange was being charged with quote hacking so in some way using a computer or a system to access classified government materials and then get those four Chelsea or with Chelsea Manning because we we discuss Chelsea manning is the person who ended up getting a lot of that documentation that became the Iraq war logs. And the tapes. So just the last thing here is that according to Jennifer Robinson. Within that indictment there is no allegation that assange attempted to hack the government In any way to get to gain material there's also no allegation within that indictment that he unlawfully accessed any government computers or systems whatsoever. That's just just to put it out there in conclusion. The the charges are that he had a discussion with Chelsea manning about how to hide her identity while accessing secret documents. Okay and then once Once that kind of stuff proceeds if it does indeed proceed then we'll see those kind of charges. Become increasingly specific as prosecutors explore explore their options. So this naturally leads us to the next part of the update. Which is this. What's on the horizon. We'll explore that afterward from our sponsors. We've returned so.
"julian assange" Discussed on Stuff They Don't Want You To Know Audio
"Here's where it gets crazy. What's happening out well? It turns out that conspiracy to expose conspiracies has not worked out especially well for Julian, assange. Yes, you'll recall how we sat. ASSANGE was sentenced to fifty weeks in jail. well, he was due to be released in September of two thousand, nineteen. The twenty second specifically win is jail term for breaching that bail. Ended and they just didn't let them help. The Westminster Magistrate's Court. Noted that there were substantial grounds for believing if free assange would make another run attempting to gain safe status. Or like Edward Snowden. Make it to a country that would not extradite him to the United. States I mean it's sort of. It's the same way a court assesses anyone's risk of flight. You know they won't grants you bail, or they'll make your bail excessively high if they or if they even think that you're gonNA. Let alone if you've got a established pattern of doing that. which assange absolutely had so Julian assange remains in the Belmarsh prison in the United Kingdom his partner lawyer Stella Morris who he has two children with recently, said quote, the life of my partner Julian assange severely at risk. He is on remand at H.. M., p., Belmarsh and covid nineteen. Spreading within its walls, so this is a absolutely topical. More sees more than just a San's assange personal health. In jeopardy here! saying that quote Julia needs to be released now for him for our family and for the society. We all want our children to grow up in. Yes, okay. Yeah, I mean it depends on. What what your take is on on that particular vision of society that assange espouses you know and again I mean a big part of his character is the idea of like free speech about taking powerful people to task, but he is absolutely has been and remains a super divisive figure so let's talk about a bigger picture issue here that we've addressed a little bit in some of our covid nineteen updates the risk of corona virus in prisons we add. It's certainly a harry situation for anyone who is being kept anywhere within. Within fairly close quarters to other human beings, especially if there are any kind of sanitary issues within, let's say a prison like that. in a in prisons across the world, people are being infected with coronavirus, because it only takes one person to enter that closed system at some point to then, in fact, one other in then exponentially grow that outbreak, but in this particular prison hp Belmarsh were Julian assange is at least two people within the prison have contracted Covid, nineteen or have contracted the coronavirus, and are dealing with symptoms of Covid nineteen. And prisons just in general are pretty rough places to be with individuals who? Have, attributes and possibly charges pending against them for very. Varying severity and in these uncertain times there are higher than average odds of things like violence occurring within prisons where there's that kind of fear of something like corona, virus or uprisings, or maybe even riots very violent riots occurring within these prisons. Yeah, yeah, that's absolutely correct. In fact, there are numerous reports already of riots about prison conditions. In the US and abroad, and in some countries, prisoners have even successfully taken guards hostage, not even necessarily to say hey, we're throwing down the prison walls Let let my people go, but more to say. We need to bring attention to the pandemic bloodbath. That may occur when we are locked in here like animals for whatever reason. So, This this prison angle. Has has a lot of fairly plausible conspiratorial aspects to it because you know, we've seen the the kind of manufactured concerns that pop up in other celebrity prison stories, so what has a high paid lawyer like working for Weinstein or something? Who says you know? He's very fragile therefore. Even, though he's been convicted of these crimes, he should get some sort of special treatment. Because it's the humane thing to do. by the way for our and be fans are Kelly is. Looking for the same thing, the argument being that he has diabetes and covert is a blow through prison systems, but in assange case there solid evidence that his life. Be At risk more so than a Weinstein more so than in our Kelly, because not as much as A. At Jeffrey Dean Not as much as an Epstein right. We should call that. We should make the Epstein scale if you know a fellow conspiracy realist. If you have the time in the inclination, please feel free to make an info graphic of the Epstein scale. The likelihood of died in prison. You know I. I just really quickly. This is a very interesting thing to think about because the reason Julian, assange is in jail. You know is officially because of jumping bail, but really when you put all of the math together, it's because he had damning evidence against very powerful people right, or he was able to release information about powerful people in the actions. They take that then you think about somebody like Jeffrey. Jeffrey Epstein that likely at allegedly had the worst kind of evidence against extremely powerful people and we saw what happened to him. You know who knows if it was like we can't prove to you if it was self inflicted or not self inflicted in his case, but he was only in prison for a short time. That's all I would say right. Yeah, it's very much worth pointing out that plenty of powerful people once. This guy dead even if they can't kill wikileaks, which is also on the wishlist. We should note that you know. The trump administration is currently attempting to extradite Assange to the US however. Remember we're. We're very quickly. Going into the no real good, morally grey territory, because the desire to gain possession of assange transcends the growing stark ideological divide in domestic US politics, Establishment Democrats want the guy under the jail, or under the daisies as much as establishment Republicans. He has very few friends in Congress. You know what I mean and it's. It's kind of misleading..
"julian assange" Discussed on Stuff They Don't Want You To Know Audio
"Grad to be counted. Here's where it gets crazy. What's happening out well? It turns out that conspiracy to expose conspiracies has not worked out especially well for Julian, assange. Yes, you'll recall how we sat. ASSANGE was sentenced to fifty weeks in jail. well, he was due to be released in September of two thousand, nineteen. The twenty second specifically win is jail term for breaching that bail. Ended and they just didn't let them help. The Westminster Magistrate's Court. Noted that there were substantial grounds for believing if free assange would make another run attempting to gain safe status. Or like Edward Snowden. Make it to a country that would not extradite him to the United. States I mean it's sort of. It's the same way a court assesses anyone's risk of flight. You know they won't grants you bail, or they'll make your bail excessively high if they or if they even think that you're gonNA. Let alone if you've got a established pattern of doing that. which assange absolutely had so Julian assange remains in the Belmarsh prison in the United Kingdom his partner lawyer Stella Morris who he has two children with recently, said quote, the life of my partner Julian assange severely at risk. He is on remand at H.. M., p., Belmarsh and covid nineteen. Spreading within its walls, so this is a absolutely topical. More sees more than just a San's assange personal health. In jeopardy here! saying that quote Julia needs to be released now for him for our family and for the society. We all want our children to grow up in. Yes, okay. Yeah, I mean it depends on. What what your take is on on that particular vision of society that assange espouses you know and again I mean a big part of his character is the idea of like free speech about taking powerful people to task, but he is absolutely has been and remains a super divisive figure so let's talk about a bigger picture issue here that we've addressed a little bit in some of our covid nineteen updates the risk of corona virus in prisons we add. It's certainly a harry situation for anyone who is being kept anywhere within. Within fairly close quarters to other human beings, especially if there are any kind of sanitary issues within, let's say a prison like that. in a in prisons across the world, people are being infected with coronavirus, because it only takes one person to enter that closed system at some point to then, in fact, one other in then exponentially grow that outbreak, but in this particular prison hp Belmarsh were Julian assange is at least two people within.
"julian assange" Discussed on Stuff They Don't Want You To Know Audio
"It really robbed her of the ability and her campaign of the ability to steer that narrative, and it was just impossible to spin it at that point. Yeah, it's the old. The old saying holds true if you are defending yourself in any kind of political sphere than you are automatically losing. The fascist were right about it the the Republicans and the Democrats were right about it. It's just sort of the part of the Part of the house rules of these terrible terrible games, but there you have it. Here's the takeaway. Single man, flesh and blood, just as many of the people listening to this show today are. Unelected himself was able to shake the world. You can understand why so many powerful people consider him dangerous. When we last left Julian Assange, he had been removed from the Ecuadorian Embassy. All indications appeared that he would continue on a legal battle at a glacial pace, likely from prison, as he sought to avoid extradition, and probably in his mind possible death in the United States so where are we at now will answer the question after a word from our sponsors. iheartradio and the US Census Bureau wanted to do something special for the class of twenty twenty, so we made commencement a new podcast with words of inspiration from the biggest names.
"julian assange" Discussed on Stuff They Don't Want You To Know Audio
"WIKILEAKS DOT ORG website. Just if you're curious or you know, you're feeling a little dangerous. You can go check. Yeah, yeah, we should say benefit of talking about these past leaks is that they are all available? You know what I mean. It reminds me of the streisand effect. You guys know what that is right. Now so, the streisand effect is essentially saying that. Once, something is out there. Has Published Online. especially a cannot be removed. No matter how much someone wants it to be removed. It's named after a picture of Barbara streisand I believe that she asked to be removed from the Internet. And you know we all are familiar with the denizens of the Internet that is the same thing is telling them. Please pretty. Please spread this everywhere. Yeah it was were Malibu home. As of two thousand and three I believe that she was attempting to remove. That's right, and you could see the argument there because it's like. Hey, this is you know my personal dwelling place, but this situation reminds me of something very funny. I don't know if I mentioned it to guys when the wikileaks stuff really started hitting, but there were internal emails throughout. Throughout the intelligence industry, which is the right word and throughout the defense industry where people were literally telling government employees. Hey, we know this is out there. It's on the news. It's online just so you know you will get in trouble if you read it unless you have the correct classification and that was such an attempt to close the barn door after the horses of stampeded away. We just didn't have legislation for this, and that's part of why. Iraq the world so fundamentally, and that's not even we're not even talking about twenty sixteen right, but the emails because later wikileaks released some twenty thousand pages of e mails from the Hillary Clinton campaign. Is your call. Former secretary of State Clinton was running for President in two thousand, sixteen and also emails from the Democratic National. Committee it is again, not hyperbole to say that these altered the course of US politics in a big big way. Yeah, it's true I mean the emails which later became part of the Internet catchphrase but her emails explored and expanded expanded on Multiple Clinton controversies. Controversies that already been out there in the public imagination in we'd we discuss some of those early on in the campaign between Hillary, Clinton and Donald Trump where we did trump, you know the most popular trump and Clinton conspiracy theories and the Clinton conspiracy theories are massive, because they involve both her and her husband, and the questionable relationship between the Clinton Foundation and its donors Clinton's. Kind of you know. Close Knit relationships shall we say with some very powerful Wall Street interests that became problematic, especially, considering that she kind of you know was trying to cast herself as sort of the people's candidate and her incredibly close ties with a very wealthy and powerful campaign contributors This is just beginning to scratch the surface, but it's fair to say that the Leagues Played A. A huge role in the outcome of that year's presidential election and it also you know I. Think a lot of people look at assange early on as sort of this great equalizer you know in trying to take powerful people to task, and that's all well and good, if the outcome is on your side right, and so I think he really became a hugely divisive figure. On the left when this happened, and it started to feel like he was perhaps more interested in getting the other side elected, and that became very confusing of his character, really kind of complicated the relationship with the public and Julian. Assange I would say two things here. I recently listened to Glenn Greenwald now of the intercept. That's how he's best known currently but. Journalists who is discussing? How, Julian assange really does represent a largely hated figure on both the political left and right within the United States. Because of the people who would consider him anti war or anti. You know military because of the Iraq, war logs and other things in the diplomatic cables. They very much dislike him from that angle, and then from this like he said in the people in political left very much dislike him because they essentially blame him for Hillary Clinton losing the election. One commonality that we've seen through these leaks is that it is attempting at least feels that it's an attempt to show that behind the curtain scene of the powerful people in every single one of these that we just we've already kind of mentioned here. And I guess when you are doing that. In showing a peek behind the curtain of all powerful people you're. GonNa. PISS everybody off Yeah agreed very much. So and you know I wanna ask you guys hear A. Just, an opinion you know. Do Are you all of the opinion that this that this did significantly impact the election or was it? I mean. How much do you think it swung the needle? I would say it swung the needle. I mean my opinion is a Yes for sure it did. Because it changed the conversation that was happening on the news cycle almost like right up into the election. Right up until the day of the election. It really did change what people were talking about. Oh I think that's. There's no question about it. Absolutely hijacked the conversation in a way. That Clinton was just not able to put back in that Pandora's box. You know and it really completely took away her power to kind of steer the narrative. which you know, say what you will about what whichever side of policy politics that you you fall on She definitely was trying very hard to cast herself. In this light of being kind of the People's candidate of being this sort of you know even handed person that wasn't connected to any kind of wrongdoing. And that she really cared about the every man for lack of a better term, and this really kind of shattered a lot of that, and it made it it leaves whether it was true or not at least the contents of the emails and the nature of the whole private server situation, and whether or not she completely flaunt flouted the rules, and just went her own way. It really robbed her of the ability and her campaign of the ability to steer that narrative, and it was just impossible to spin it at that point. Yeah, it's the old. The old saying holds true if you are defending yourself in any kind of political sphere than you are automatically losing. The fascist were right about it the the Republicans and the Democrats were right about it. It's just sort of the part of the Part of the house rules of these terrible terrible games, but there you have it. Here's the takeaway. Single man, flesh and blood, just as many of the people listening to this show today are. Unelected himself was able to shake the world. You can understand why so many powerful people consider him dangerous. When we last left Julian Assange, he had been removed from the Ecuadorian Embassy. All indications appeared that he would continue on a legal battle at a glacial pace, likely from prison, as he sought to avoid extradition, and probably in his mind possible death in the United States so where are we at now will answer the question after a word from our sponsors. iheartradio and the US Census Bureau wanted to do something special for the class of twenty twenty, so we made commencement a new podcast with words of inspiration from the biggest names.
Assange 'secretly fathered two children' in Ecuadorean embassy
"News one of the lawyers for the wikileaks founder Julian Assange has revealed that she has two children with him conceived while he was in hiding in the Ecuadorian embassy in London Stella Maris says they met in twenty eleven before Mr songs took refuge in the embassy where he remained for seven years she wants him to be released from
Chelsea Manning ordered released from prison, fined $256,000
"A federal judge orders the release of former army intelligence analyst Chelsea manning intends roughly a year of incarceration for refusing to testify to a grand jury about wikileaks Chelsea manning was freed not long after prosecutors reported that the grand jury investigating wikileaks disbanded U. S. district judge Anthony trend good leaves in place more than two hundred fifty six thousand dollars in fines for manning's refusal to testify manning previously spent seven years in a military prison for delivering a trove of classified information to wikileaks founder Julian Assange he's under indictment and fighting extradition to the U. S. manning's thirty five year sentence was commuted by president
Britain starts hearing US case for extraditing WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange
"In London supporters of wikileaks founder Julian Assad are gathering outside a high security courthouse where a judge is set to begin hearing a U. S. extradition case against them the courtroom showdowns starting today comes a decade after wikileaks published a trove of classified US military documents the American authorities there want to try a Sandra on espionage charges here and that carries a maximum sentence of a hundred seventy five years
"julian assange" Discussed on The Signal
"Okay so this deal may not have been faked that Julian assange didn't or couldn't take any way is out in the open and the timing right before the extradition hearing is very deliberate to prove that the prosecution of Julian Assange is purely a political thing if donald trump the president of the United States was willing to let assange go drop all charges against him an issue him a pardon if he did something for trump. Did something that you know. That trump wanted him to do then. That is a pretty strong argument that this is just a political prosecution and that it becomes convinced that it's purely politics and that there's no you know the US government or not actually that serious about the crimes that they allege Selena Simmons to have committed than they might be less likely to allow him to be extradited because they could see him more as a political prisoner rather than as an actual national security breaching criminal and on top of that we found out yesterday. Julian assange is meetings with lawyers illegally. Record it yes. This is a story that has been bubbling along for a while. Really about the security firm. Uc global so Spanish. Investigators have been looking into allegations that that company which had the contract for security in TV in the Ecuadorian embassy was passing on recordings from inside the embassy to the parties and they uncovered some fairly a concerning. Let's say things about this company that potentially the company was recording information about Julian assange recording his conversations potentially in addition to their usual cameras that you would install in any embassy. They were also installing. Secret microphones reportedly was hidden in a fire. Extinguisher in room assange often held meetings him. Initially the report was that they were trying to sell it online to the highest bidder. But there's also speculation. I haven't seen solid proof yet but that could just be because it's not quite out yet that the information may have been handed over to the CIA at some point I either deliberately or the CIA took it. Somehow we're certain that they secretly recalled the meetings. This is there's video available in the SEC website. Y What isn't established beyond reasonable. Doubt is what happened to that information beyond it a funding its way into the hands of the AC. The it's not quite clear with the CIA. Evidently handle that information. Maybe they did. Maybe they didn't but at the moment we're sort of talking about all was accessed these from American Ip addresses and that sort of thing which is concerning but not necessarily not quite smoking gun just yet okay and does this. News have any bearing on the extradition hearing that is about to take place. Ooh maybe maybe not. I mean if the US have been able to hear all of Sanjay's legal strategies before him then they may unfairly be able to prepare counterarguments however really be up to the court to decide how to deal with this if it can be shown that the US government has obtained the secret recordings. I mean you can imagine that assange is legal team will want to exploit both of the I guess new developments that we've already spoken about but more generally what's their strategy for fighting this extradition. What's the argument? The ARGUMENT IS TWOFOLD. One is that this is a political prosecution. Sange is a journalist who is being prosecuted because he did something that the. Us government didn't like that's one and the other is that will argue that the UK shouldn't release assigned to the US because the US going to trade him in a cruel and unusual way and therefore they shouldn't let him go there. Those are the two main arguments that they've been setting themselves up for a basically ever since and was arrested. So is there any clue as to how this is going to shake down or? Is it just anyone's guess? At this point it is anyone's guess but the one sort of wild card here was kind of exposed over the last couple of weeks when to Australian. Mp's including Andrew Wilkie went over and so having conversation with British Politicians Journey Corbin the soon to be ex British opposition leader. Boris Johnson and said. Look you know we need to consider whether this is a fair deal that assigned is getting is the is the US UK extradition arrangement. A reasonable one doesn't need to be reviewed and the interesting thing was that Boris Johnson didn't Swat this away and go. No no no of course. We're entirely onboard. Everything he's doing he said well. Maybe it is. Maybe there is a problem with this. Maybe there is some sort of issue with the way that we exchanged prisoners with the United States. And that was a big surprise. And the thing is that you know entirely unrelated to Julian ASSANGE CASE. There is a whole separate extradition. Fight going on with between the US and the UK and that is over this basically a diplomatic person with diplomatic immunity. Killed a young motorcyclist in a hit and run in northern England and then the person diplomatic immunity fled the country and the UK. Really wants to get this woman back but the Americans are going on on. No diplomatic immunity. She's she's here now. So maybe you could just leave that alone and ignore that. Don't do that. Don't don't force it. Come back over here. Which means that suddenly the UK wants something from the US. And I have something the US wants so you never know whether that might actually play into this. This may be a bit of a wildcard into this proceeding. That's the signal. 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Ahead of Extradition Hearing, Hundreds March for Assange in London
"Dangerous hundreds took to the streets of London Saturday to March in support for the wikileaks founder Julian Assange who is facing the beginning of his extradition hearing Monday an Australian computer expert confined himself returning to the U. S. to face five charges protesters argue that his hearing is politically motivated and accused the US of over reaching by trying to get a staunch leaks that this notion of sons would be a major blow against it's his right to know what is being decided by the
Defense lawyers say they will seek French asylum for Assange
"Defense lawyers for wikileaks founder. Julian assange based in France. They planned to ask President Emmanuel Macron to grant their client asylum. Assange is in London. Jail awaiting the start of full hearings next week our. Us request for extradition. His lawyers say their client deserves asylum in France where he has children that defense lawyers also say they will prove claims made it a preliminary hearing in. London that is on refused a pardon offer by the trump administration they claim the offer hinged on his saying Russia had no role in licking Democratic National Committee emails in Two Thousand Sixteen
Trump admin offered Assange a pardon if he cleared Russia over email leak, lawyer says
"Julian Assange's legal team plans to claim he was offered a pardon by the trump administration in exchange for agreeing to say Russia was not involved in leaking emails from the Democratic National Committee songes fighting extradition to the U. S. at a hearing in London a lawyer for a song said former congressman Dana Rohrabacher made that pardon offer on instructions from president trump in twenty seventeen White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham calls that claim a complete fabrication and a total lie and president trump barely knows Rohrabacher and the two never spoke on the
Dana Rohrabacher denies offering Assange a pardon from Trump
"A lawyer for Julian Assange has alleged that president trump offered to pardon the wikileaks founder if he said that Russia wasn't involved in the leak of Democratic National Committee emails during the twenty sixteen election they offer is said to have been conveyed by the former Republican congressman Dana Rohrabacher a White House spokeswoman said the claim was a complete
Pamela Anderson marries fellow five-timer Jon Peters
"Pamela Anderson got secretly married to this super-rich movie mogul Hollywood producer. Sir Guy John Peters yesterday in Malibu Congrats Pam Fun fact. John Peters produced one of my favorite movies of all time Bradley. Cooper's a stars born starring Lady Gaga. He actually also produced the Barbra streisand. A star is born. which haven't seen I know I should see it anyway anyway? The couple actually has quite the romantic love story. And I I'm into it. I'm I'm here for this Marital Union. According to the Hollywood Hollywood reporter the couple quote I dated more than thirty years ago reunited in recent months and have kept the relationship under wraps and quote. It's it's also their fifth marriage for both of them. I'm not like a numbers person. I'm not into like numerology or anything but it's both of their fifth marriages. I feel like that that means something like they match both had four marriages before this. This is their fifth. I think it's cool. They've they've sinked up on how many ex spouses they have anyway. When they first met and dated she was only nineteen but he was instantly smitten with her? It sounds like maybe they broke up because they have a bit of an age gap going on and she was very young at the time he gave sweet statement on their relationship to the Hollywood reporter saying quote there are beautiful girls everywhere could have my pick but for thirty five years. I've only wanted Pamela. She makes me wild in a good way. End Quote. Okay Dude I mean that is sweet. It's romantic but could do without the I could have my pick part. I mean come on like he could have his pick really are gonNA come in case. You Forgot Origin Watch. MTV's Davies the hills reboot last year that starred. Pamela Anderson's son Pam has been recently living in France. T. H. R. summed. MDA Her recent international paid saying quote. The former Baywatch star fifty two had moved to France and Morriston an international woman who was frequently photographed entering the Ecuadorian Embassy in London to visit Julian assange or addressing animal rights issues at the Kremlin before Vladimir Putin and quote. Well who knows if she's GONNA keeping an international woman of mystery or if she's back in Malibu for good either way. I'm happy for the the newlyweds. The best part about this secret Malibu leading and secret relationship is that Pamela Anderson confirmed it to the Hollywood reporter in the best way possible. I've never seen this before this. This is actually wild. Her statement to the Hollywood reporter a media site was not like a normal statement. She didn't like say I am so happy to be married. Like you know like. Please respect our privacy or whatever. She confirmed their marriage in a poem. That's right it wasn't just a poem that she wrote and published herself is a poem that is specifically statement to the Hollywood reporter. I love okay. I don't have anything else to say about this marriage. I'm just GonNa leave you with me. Reciting Pamela Anderson's poem that's also a statement to the Hollywood reporter here. We go quote. John is the original bad boy of Hollywood. No one compares. I love him deeply like family. His life used to scare me so much for girl like me. Now I've seen more of life and realize he's been there all along never failed me. I'm ready now. And he's ready to we understand and respect each other. We love each other UH with out conditions. I'm lucky woman proof. God has a plan.
Sweden Drops Julian Assange Rape Inquiry
"Assange apparently. Apparently there's a little bit of good news and it was. It was confusing. I but we've finally figured out exactly what has gone on here. The headline is that the The Swedish government has dropped the rape investigation that they've been working on for basically a decade on and off and apparently it's the on and off aspect here. That was confusing. Because I could've sworn we already covered this a couple of years ago and according to Wikipedia we've had it was in twenty seventeen in. May the Swedish government dropped the investigation into the allegation of rape back back then but then they started it up again in May of twenty nineteen so according to the story here. It's actually happened a few times times. two thousand twelve they. They began the proceedings in two thousand twelve and then In two thousand fifteen they dropped it and then they began the proceedings again and then in two thousand seventeen they dropped it and they began the proceedings again this year in May of this year and then now they've dropped it again according to the The Mirror in the U. K. The prosecutor in In Sweden has said that this is Marie person said they made the decision Asian because the evidence has quote weakened considerably due to the long period of time. That has elapsed since the events in question saying quote I would like to emphasize the injured party. He has submitted a credible and reliable version of events. Her statements have been coherent extensive and detailed however my overall assessment is the evidential situation has been weakened to such an extent and that there is no longer any reason to continue the
Swedish prosecutor has dropped Julian Assange rape probe
"Swedish authorities are ending their investigation into an allegation of rape against wikileaks founder Julian assign it had previously been suspended two years ago only to be reopened in may following that dramatic removal of us on from Ecuador's embassy in central London prosecutor in Sweden says despite the accusers credible and reliable version of events the evidence is weakened considerably due to the long period of time since those events in question a lawyer for the woman says the decision is on just the sons has repeatedly denied any wrongdoing the forty eight year old is being held in prison in London he's completing a sentence of nearly a year in jail for bail violations and still facing possible extradition to the United
Sweden Drops Julian Assange Rape Inquiry
"Now alleged rape investigation in Sweden against wikileaks founder Julian the son has now been dropped a son still there British prison where he was arrested several months ago for being evicted from the Ecuadorean embassy in London he's been hiding there to avoid extradition to the U. S. originally published allegedly publishing
Swedish prosecutor has dropped Julian Assange rape probe: reports
"A Swedish prosecutor says the alleged rape investigation against wikileaks founder Julian the son has been discontinued that rape charges what prompted a son to spend seven years in Ecuador's embassy in London he was a victim from their earlier this year and immediately arrested by Britain which ended in may fifty weeks sentence for jumping bail the sun's continues to fight extradition to the U. S. which is accuses him of publishing secret
Trump says will 'strongly consider' testifying in impeachment probe - but would it ever happen?
"Back to the daily DC. The Impeachment Watch I am Zach Wolf. Alex Marquardt is still with me. And we're pleased to welcome CNN. Legal analyst Michael Zeldin. Thanks for joining us. Michael my my pleasure to things kind of interesting happened this morning number one Responding to Nancy Pelosi from over the weekend Donald Trump president trump suggests that he could be Willing to testify or at least to give written testimony to the impeachment inquiry. He said essentially to move it along so the Democrats could get something done for the country. That's thing thing one thing too. Is the house. Democrats made clear that they're investigating now. Donald Donald Trump and whether he Lied to Congress essentially As part of the Mueller investigation when he offered written testimony or answered questions wins in writing for Robert. Muller in this part of They're a lawsuit to get hold of grand jury Documents and testimony any from the Muller investigation this now ties into the impeachment investigation. It's all meshing together but these two things about Donald Trump and testifying before Congress which would be pretty much unprecedented I think And number two This idea that he may have said something that was incorrect about wikileaks. Not Leaks and what he knew to Robert Muller what is going on with those two things in your mind so the first thing that comes to mind is my expectation of his qualified offer. Potentially offer written testimony was not something that he cleared with his lawyers and that his lawyers are going to be saying. Excuse me but we don't want to do that. Thank you Mr President. Well he didn't say he was GONNA do it. He said he he's thinking about exactly but I expect he's thinking about it without having first consulted Laura's because I don't think his lawyers lawyers would want him to be offering written testimony so I think that's more of a sort of a hypothetical offer than it is a real offer second second with respect to muller the the question and answer that has been raised as a possibility that the president offered false testimony before before Muller in his written statements relate to whether or not he recalled conversations between himself and members of his campaign who themselves may have. I've been interfacing with Ricky wikileaks or whether he had any direct contact with a representative of what of wikileaks. And the thing. I forgot to mention this. Roger Stone found guilty on Friday essentially of trying to sabotage congressional investigation With regard to to wikileaks right so so the lawyer in me says says if the question is asked did you have any contact with a representative of wikileaks. He can answer no to that. Because none of the people who allege allegedly told him anything about wikileaks I would definitely meet the term representative of wikileaks. If he had spoken he would have spoken to. Julian assange essentially For that question to be ally The way he answered now with requests with respect to the question of whether or not his failure to recall whether he had conversations with anyone on his campaign. Am Pain regulated. He he didn't say no he said I don't recall talking to anybody. Don't recall is what his answer was. And that's a smart legal answer and expectation Asian. Is that the documentation that was presented by the White House to Muller contains no indication that the president spoke to anybody on his campaign about wikileaks leaks and so he has the opportunity to come back and say well. Now you've refresh my recollection. Yes indeed I remember speaking to Roger Stone in the car and it was overheard by whomever so I think it's a very difficult prosecution to make. However the appearance that the president is unaware of his interest his own interest which he on on the campaign trail repeatedly touted wikileaks? I love wikileaks. We Russia if you're hearing me. Please release her emails. All is wikileaks. centric in a sense. It's SORTA strains credulity to that. He didn't remember this stuff. But as I said when you ask a lawyer whether or not. This is actionable as a law case case I think it's probably not what about this Offer so to speak that he would be willing to testify in Congress in the impeachment inquiry which actually got a laugh last week During one of the hearings when when Peter Welsh Congressman Walter Democrat brought it up and say you'd be most welcome to sit down is is that another one of these. Is the president just floating something for the sake of it. That almost certainly won't happen. What my recollection of that QNA was the Republicans skins. Were saying the person who has firsthand knowledge the whistle blower a person who they first accused of having only secondhand knowledge but now all of a sudden he has firsthand knowledge. They said the person that we want to hear most from whistle blower because he knows the most and then well said well actually the person who knows the most is the president and he's welcome here anytime he wants. And that's what the left in my expectation. Is that the the likelihood of the president showing up in person raising his right hand to swear to tell the truth before that committee Mitty is not likely. So you've told us about the importance in lawyering Somebody like president trump to give wiggle room in testimony. I don't recall Paul as opposed to I don't or as opposed to know We have somebody we have a real life example coming up with Gordon. Sunland who actually didn't recall recall Some very important things with regard to the impeachment inquiry he had his memory jogged at least one time and then subsequent to that we found out new information mation that About his call. You know the very loud telephone call in the Ukraine Ukrainian restaurant with President trump. So I I guess the question is. Is Somebody like that that in more legal jeopardy or in some sort of legal jeopardy for his the the way he addressed Congress and then had completely changed his story about whether or not there was some sort of ultimatum to the Koreans for military aid. Right so Saad. Lynn says I don't recall then. Other witnesses testified to his direct direct involvement in the thing that he didn't recall and then he corrects the record. And says that refresh my recollection. I now recall. And my testimony is consistent consistent with those others in respect of the homes. Telephone call that was overheard the alcs talked about. He was not really directly asked. That question didn't exactly Give a denial of of that call so he too has room now when he testifies again to elaborate on his prior testimony which I expect that he will do. I expect that he is not gonNa have memory failures like he did in the closed door testimony too much each other evidence out there which links him to this information that if he were to not recall under those circumstances it probably would be seen as a false statement achievement and you can falsely testify before Congress by inaccurately describing your memory as as being faulting so so just to wrap this up for everybody If in in congressional testimony don't say no and if you absolutely can avoid it I don't recall is a lot better. Because it's really hard to prosecute somebody for lying if they said I don't know because your memory can always be shocked. Yes with the qualification. In that there are prosecutions where individuals have said incredulously. They don't recall and that they were the prosecutors. Were able then and to present evidence to say that I don't recall was actually ally and you cannot therefore say with confidence. Just keep saying I don't recall I don't recall and you off the hook because at one point you're alleged failure of recollection is GonNa be tantamount to an affirmatively. I think what what we've done here is tumble into exactly the problem. That a lot of people have with Washington because this is making my head hurt Michael Alex thank you for joining me on the daily. DC The impeachment
Bannon delivers damaging testimony in trial of longtime Trump adviser Stone
"Then candidate Donald Trump loved that wiki leaks as he called it released emails stolen by Russian government hackers that were damaging to Hillary Clinton and what Donald Trump was repeatedly praising wikileaks. Steve Bannon was working for him as his his campaign. Chief Executive and Roger Stone was trump's informal advisor today. Steve Bannon testified under oath that Donald Trump's two thousand in sixteen campaign considered trump's longtime confidant roger stone as the quote access point and quote to wikileaks Bannon delivered delivered that explosive testimony in the ongoing trial of Roger Stone on charges. That stone lied to Congress while it was investigating Russia's attack on our election bannon told the jury quote the campaign had no official access to wikileaks or to Julian assange but Roger would be considered if we needed an access point because he had implied or told me he had a relationship with wikileaks and Julian assange. It was something I think. He would frequently mention or talk about. That goes to one of the most crucial unanswered questions about then candidate. Donald Trump did he rely on Roger Stone his longest serving get visor to get dirt on Hillary Clinton joining us now mother Jones reporter Dan Friedman who was inside the courthouse today back with Natasha Bertrand National Security correspondent four politico and an MSNBC contributor. Dan I just want to quote from your own a reporting here. You wrote an article in which you say. tump trump trump's campaign pain apparently thought it was colluding with wikileaks. Steve Bannon says trump team saw roger. Stone has access point to assange. The trump campaign apparently thought it it was colluding with wikileaks in Bannon's cross examination today stones defense attorney asked him you and the trump campaign didn't view Steve Stone Tone at the access point to wikileaks and Bannon. Says I think we did yes. That's remarkable. Yeah that's pretty striking and Bannon didn't only say that the trump campaign was receiving what he thought was inside information on wikileaks from Roger Stone. He also suggested did that. They believed that the that stone was sort of orchestrating. The release of this stolen democratic emails Bannon said that when when wikileaks released the emails the emails from Clinton campaign chairman. John Podesta in on October Seventh Twenty Sixteen Sixteen. He said he heard that stone had been involved in making that happen. And then Bannon's assistant on the same day sent stone an email that said well done just two words so they kind of thought that stone was actually helping them actively which is quite striking. What's the implication of that Dash? Oh what what is the implication of them thinking. They were working through stone with wikileaks and extensively with the Russians who had done the hacking that wikileaks wikileaks. With the the information that wikileaks had. What's the implication of that on those who believe that there was some kind of coordination between the trump campaign the Russians or the trump campaign and Julian assange? Well the implication I think would be that they tried to cheat right. One of the biggest questions is whether the when after the access. Hollywood tape dropped about twenty minutes later. wikileaks started releasing the emails from John. Podesta's Inbox and the biggest question has always been and did someone. Coordinate that close to the campaign or on the campaign directly coordinate with wikileaks and I think it was just touched upon a bit that that Bannon a and did testify to the fact that they believed that Roger Stone had this power and an access and he also said that he really felt like at the moment when they needed wikileaks most when they felt like they needed more emails to come out that were damaging to the Democrats and Hillary Clinton they felt like they could rely on on stone as that access point so I think that obviously raises a whole bunch of questions about whether they were waiting for a pivotal moment in the campaign when trump was literally at his lowest point Republicans and allies abandoned him left and right after the access. Hollywood tape came out when they actually went to stone and said Hey. Please help us out and do this because the the timing of that release after the access. Hollywood tape was extremely to put a generously coincidental. So then is there anything in that trial in which we are establishing whether weather. Someone did coordinate. That because as the TASHA said observers of this at the pre K. concurrently while it was happening or in hindsight can conclude that it was either coincidental or lucky organized and yet people who say the guy is a big talker. He wanted everybody to think he was title. Julian assange and wikileaks. But that he. The evidence isn't clear that he was
Stone unturned? Trumps adviser on trial
"As the impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump continues. The start of the trial of his longtime associate is likely to provide him with more discomfort comfort laundry stone flamboyant and controversial political strategist own for using aggressive tactics discredit losing candidates. He's worked As a campaign advisor to a number of Republican presidents including Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan stone formed a relationship with the current president for decades ago. He I advised Mr trump to run for the White House in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight but all the polls are showing that I win or do very well in this election. I'm not happy with what's happening. In the country that friendship mentorship torsion even was the focus of 2017. Netflix documentary called. Get Me Roger Stone. Those who say I have no soul. Those who have no principles are losers serve. Those are bitter losers. Mr Jones. EXACT ROLE IN MR TRUMP's 2016 campaign has long been a source of speculation particular over his contact with wikileaks the release of material about presidential contender. Hillary Clinton in January this year. Mr Stone was indicted by Robert Mueller. The special counsel on seven counts they include obstructing an official proceeding witness tampering and making false statements to Congress about his communication with wikileaks and the trump campaign lead. Not Guilty to these charges. I will defeat them at CNN. HAD BEEN SO SURE MR stones indictment was coming to the network had a camera team outside his the house when the FBI turned up for dramatic early morning rest. This is what the first sounds that. Roger Stone woke up to this morning was the FBI pounding on his his door and shouting John Faz. Men Are. Washington correspondent had a similar hunched to C. N. N.'s. But he made his move a month earlier. I reached out to Roger Stone because I had sensed that his indictment was possibly coming and I wanted to hear from him before he went undercover. As it works I wrote him an email. I said I would be down in Fort Lauderdale one weekend soon. If he's free for lunch take him out and And he accepted house lunch. The lunch was a blast. He is in entertaining storyteller. He's charming he's funny. He has a ton of stories. It was a two hour lunch. That felt very fast. Okay before we get into the lunchtime conversation Let's go through with. The charges are against him. He is facing seven charges. Five of them. Uh are making false statements to congressional investigators. One of them is obstructing government proceeding and one of them is witness tampering I believe he tried to get randy. Credit Co who is a longtime friend of his New York radio show host and a sort of as outrageous on the left is as stone is on the right. He tried to induce credit co into not testifying and I think he you threatened to kidnap Randy credit goes dog. Roger Stone's pled not guilty to all of those charges. How how is the dog? I think the dog's fine critical appeared. He did testify. He showed up with his dog. He was photographed with the dog outside the Capitol. It's a I think the dog is a little white dog named Bianca. Last I heard Bianca was fine. Okay okay all these charges that Mr Stone faces have to do with Robert Mueller's investigation into Russian interference. Is that right yes. Roger Stone presented himself to the trump campaign campaign as a conduit to wikileaks. He said he was in touch with. Julian assange now after the investigation started. He said that in fact he wasn't that was all bluff and posture turn hype and that all he had been doing monitoring wikileaks as twitter. Feed Robert Muller's indictment says that that's not true in that he was actually in touch through a cut out with wikileaks. And what are the stakes. Here what would happen to Mr Stone if he were found guilty These are serious charges. He faces serious prison time if he goes down for these sixty seven years old and that's Facing years in prison at that age is no picnic. You say he was a charming guy with lots of stories. I mean the public persona of Roger Stone is. He's a kind of Kenny often. Cutting political operative to did you get a sense from him about how he operates when you spoke to him. Well he is a political operative the stories that I liked most. He got gotTa start in Connecticut Politics. He's from Norwalk Connecticut. which is which is down along the coast and he said for his his first campaign for Connecticut? State Senator Who on the train platform is a commuter town into New York? Norwalk is and he would be there in the morning with fliers for his candidate and fresh coffee and then he would be either in the evening with fliers for his candidate and freshly mixed Martinis. It was such a a charming portrayal of a bygone world of political campaigning. But that's where he got a start but I mean this this kind of charming and gracious stuff is not really what he's been known for in in more recent decades. No No. He's a dirty trickster. And he's the first one to admit admit that he's a dirty trickster I think he hone those skills working for Nixon's campaign which is famous for using those sorts of tricks. That's his specialty. That's the sort of thing he does. There's and he's he's really unabashed about it so his his ties then to to president trump. I mean how far back do they go so he is known. Donald Trump for forty years. Their connection goes back to Ronald. Ronald Reagan's nineteen eighty campaign in New York Stone arranged a visit to New Hampshire by Donald Trump in nineteen eighty eight. When he was initially flirting with running for president he was connected with the campaigns? In in in ninety six and two thousand I think it was when when trump sought the reform party nomination and his connection to the to the two thousand sixteen campaign pain starts quite early on to so he has no trump for for a very long time but on the other hand the investigation the Muller reports when it's somewhat by now in in the rear view mirror I mean. How much do you think Mr Trump and his team will be will be watching this trial? How much do you think could change the story as we now know it reopened that chapter? I mean I think they would. They are going to be watching can get very very closely. It's true that the report is done but there was a lot of of stone activity in the Muller report that was redacted what I assume is Roger Stone activity that was redacted and it may well come out this trial. I think there are a couple of things that that the trump campaign will be worried about number one. The trials should show whether Roger Stone was in fact talking to wikileaks and whether when he said he wasn't that was all bluff and posture that that was that was in fact the bluff and number two is whether whether Donald Trump lied Robert Muller. You'll remember that trump did not sit down for a verbal interview with Robert Me answered written questions and answer to one of those questions actions. He said that he didn't recall discussing wikileaks with Roger Stone. You may get some testimony from Steve Bannon and Rick Gates about that and so if I were at trump trump camp I would be watching this trial very nervously. And what about Mr Stone himself when you met him. What did he say about the possibility that he would get caught up in Mr Melissa investigation? Well all I ask them exactly that question at lunch and he said it's a it's a line that I still remember. He said I don't worry. I make other people worry whether he would repeat that line today as his trial looms. I don't know but it was a it was a wonderful bit of bluster at the time About the substance of the charges. He had a very. I want to get this quote. Exactly right from transcript. What he said is there is no evidence or proof and no one can honestly say that I had advanced notice of the source or the content? The exact release date of the wiki leaks material either stolen or I should say allegedly stolen and allegedly hacked to my mind that is a very lawyerly. Non Denial Denial He also said during our lunch that you know his testimony before the House Intelligence Committee was basically truthful and he may have said some things that were wrong but they were immaterial and inconsequential in the indictment against him alleges. That's not not the case that his false statement for both consequential immaterial well regardless of what happens with this trial and and presuming. Mr Stone is available to take lunch dates. Would you take with them in a heartbeat anytime. Why is that because he has? He has good stories and he has a central role in this in this drama. That's unfolding right now. He has insight he has history talk about. He's an interesting conversationalist John. Thank you very much for joining
WikiLeaks founder Assange in court to fight extradition
"Wikileaks founder Julian Assange appeared in court in London today for a hearing on his extradition case he's wanted in the U. S. on espionage charges for allegedly scheming with former army intelligence analyst Chelsea manning to break a password for classified US government computer today was just a case management hearing the full extradition case won't be heard until
US extradition case against Assange set for next year
"British court says WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange will face a US extradition hearing in February of next year. He's wanted in the US on espionage charges for helping to break into a Pentagon computer system. And then publishing classified information about US and coalition forces in Iraq and Afghanistan. Son is currently serving nearly a year in jail outside London for jumping bail. He's also wanted for questioning in Sweden in a rape
"julian assange" Discussed on Stuff They Don't Want You To Know Audio
"Jeez delights and some of those prices go down to one hundred thousand dollars or even lower but Julian Assange had his own legitimate. Australian passport. None Ecuadorian citizen, and his Australian passport is no guarantee that he would automatically get accepted because he transit country. He went two could stop them at any point and Hanover. So WikiLeaks got word of ill tidings in April of twenty nine thousand nine and they tweeted on the fifth that high level source within the Ecuadorian state had told them Assange would be expelled from the embassy within days or hours while the changes things a little bit. Not a great news to hear, you know, especially if he's reading his tweets know, his his communications or cut off. I if in reinspected point nuttier, I was hoping that I could imagine him in a carrier pigeon getting along and just living in the. Oh, yeah. Embassy with his cat a phone relationship. Yeah. That'd be are. You are you pitching a show now? Yeah. That'd be a fun relationship. Who can we get to kick? Gilbert Godfrey played the cat, or is he more. The pigeon. Yeah. He's the Byrd. He's good breast. And. Yeah. So. It's weird because shortly thereafter, another Ecuadorian official came forward and said there was no decision made to remove him from the London building. And then on April eleventh, they did just that. Yup. That is correct. On the eleventh of April of this year twenty nineteen Mr Assange gets arrested at London's Ecuadorian embassy by metropolitan police officers for quote, failing to surrender to the court. Can we get a quick clip of this pretty monumental encounter? It'll be brief. Going and you should be able to hear him saying resist and things along that line of because we are an audio podcast. We we would like to draw your attention to Assange his appearance as as got pulled out as we said at the top of the show the years in the embassy had not been kind to him. He looks in general kind of disheveled villa Mesa to. Yeah. Kind of weird stream hair and Radhi beard, and yeah and can't blame him because he's living under tremendous stress. Right. And that's one thing that was kinda irritate. I get the comedy of it. But so many people spent time just busting on the guy's appearance in roasting them. When it's like, hey, there's also a precedent. Should we arrest? Journalists is he journalist or is he just like a a spy master, you know, both and people were like, yeah. But look look at his beard, though. What's up with his cat? I don't know. Why is he skateboarding in the halls that was thing? Yes. Bad. Boy, he was a bad boy. So. What were these international violations where they violations of existing laws that he was continuing to engage in or they violations of again, kind of this gentleman's agreement with the Ecuadorian embassy. We know that Wakil leaks pulled a no you move, and they said actually Ecuador's acting illegally because they terminated his asylum in violation of international law bird, right? Okay. You guys really got into that one. So the entire time. This is happening. There is a looming figure on the horizon a figure just over so tall that you can see them over the Atlantic. Ocean was a little wet is it Godzilla with a top hat. It's kind of Mr. bean. It's say am who go toe-to-toe with Godzilla and Mr. peanut although I feel like Uncle Sam Mr. Pino get along. I think they would get along. Yeah. They only think in all local Sam is he's a straddling two giant US aircraft carriers. One foot on each is just surfing across the ocean towards a song that America's song from the south park guys film. Oh, yeah. He's playing. Good. When you know, you're the one so the US is there they want peace. They say now it's the time to act so they file a charge against Julian Assange, and they say this guy, we charge them with computer hacking hours after he's arrested in London following I they asked they're like, oh, hey, all right guys chop chop..
"julian assange" Discussed on We The People
"As people know from the recent movie about the Pentagon papers case in which is great. And it's it's a splintered opinion. I can summarize the different positions. But I think that Ben do that. And then what does the Pentagon papers and searcher case say about whether an indictment of Julian Assange for publishing truthful information would or wouldn't file a the first amendment. Well, I agree with everything that Josh said about this. And that's what makes me so nervous from the standpoint of how the supreme court would resolve this answer is we don't know. In fact, the two of, you know, the current justices a lot better than I do the Pentagon papers, which famously wasn't attempt by the Nixon administration to block the New York Times from publishing classified secret history of nam that Daniel Ellsberg had provided two times reporter, Neil Sheehan. The court said we won't allow the prior restraint here that your speculative claims of harm. About national security are not enough to prevent a newspaper. From publishing information that determines to be in the public interest. But the court left the door open. I think more than didn't answer the question, but really left the door open to criminal prosecution in some circumstances. That's why I said that the fact that there has been no prosecution for publishing truthful information in our nation's history as part of a constitutional tradition, not an ironclad rule of constitutional law. And I worry that that in a case with a defendant like Julian Assange, we might get another kind of swinger ruling from the supreme court that would end up opening the door to more prosecutions. I do think though, and I want to interject this here that specifically with Assange. There's another thing we should be thinking about before we apply our secrecy laws like the espionage act to him. Assange is not an American citizen. He is in Australian citizen, and he was an. Overseas publisher. It would be a fairly extraordinary assertion of the reach of our law. If we were to say that foreign publishers, we're bound by US secrecy laws, and it would set a very different kind of precedent. The New York Times Washington Post, they have bureaus in foreign countries. And one of the things that those reporters do is they try to pry out secrets that the Chinese might not want us to publish about their government activities. How would we react if China prosecuted the New York Times or one of its employees for violating Chinese secrecy laws? I think we would be apoplectic, and we would say that law shouldn't apply to the New York Times. And I don't think this issue has been discussed enough in the context of the hubris that it would entail for the United States to say that someone like Assange is bound by American secrecy laws so Josh launched to discuss. But let me ask you, whether you believe that the current supreme court the Roberts court would allow the espionage act to be applied to a publisher for the disclosure of national security information just to review the text the espionage act of nineteen seventeen the actor. Gave rise to the some of the greatest opinions of Holmes and Brandeis and dissent and concurrence says that whoever for the purpose of obtaining formation respecting the national defense with intent to reason to believe the information to be obtained is to be used to the injury of the United States to the advantage of any foreign nation, basically publishes..
"julian assange" Discussed on The Dan Bongino Show
"Let's get right to it. Ladies and gentlemen. What is going on with the Julian Assange case, and what is going on with Dana Puente. Now, this is going to be a little complicated. But I s sure you this is worth your time. So let me just give you the lead. First. If we had the Dan Bongino post headline it is going to be the timing of the Julian Assange arrest who I think was involved in the investigation of Assange. This is the founder of WikiLeaks. Of course. So the timing of the arrests is very suspicious and who was involved in the investigation, specifically Dana Wednesday, and others is just fascinating. Let's get to the curious case of Dana point day. I now I have to ask you some hat tips before we start I want it from the bottom of my heart. Thank people like Chuck Ross, Jeff Carlson in this specific case, my buddy. He will call them to seven nine I want to thank Tracy beans. I want to thank all of the journalists out there on Twitter that did the real investigative work on spy gate while the media sat in a corner with their dunce caps on this. Specifically, I want to have to Tracy B's who's been all over this from the beginning. And my buddy, let's call them to seventy nine sources of minded, but working on this for a long time. Ladies and gentlemen, let's us tablets, some facts. I the entire crux of this debate this fee Lasko the scandal by gay drama. Okay. Let's just be clear. So we understand we're going was that the Russians worked in conjunction with WikiLeaks. Julian Assange group who was holed up in the Ecuadorian embassy was recently arrested that Russia worked with WikiLeaks and Assange to get the DNC emails were hacked out there and that WikiLeaks and the Russians worked in conjunction with the Trump campaign. Do you understand that that makes sense if that doesn't make sense none of this will make an hour? Good. So to be clear on this. All right, Joe. I'm relying on YouTube. If Assange who had not been arrested up until this point has evidence that they did not in fact, get.
"julian assange" Discussed on Opening Arguments
"Anytime she wants all she's gotta do is testify. And if she testifies than the contempt is dropped, so you know, it's really her fault here. And what I like about this argument is it gives you kind of the the jujitsu argument in the alternative Chelsea Manning can say, yeah, look, but all the government has to do to make this case. Go away is say is admit that they surveilled me or deny that they surveyed me, right? Then I can figure out whether I'm going to assert this defense or not. But they can't stay in limbo. They can't refuse to take a position and say, this is my phone, and and in my view, that's a pretty persuasive argument. I don't know whether it's going to get over the abusive discretion standard. But it's a pretty good argument. So so that's where we stand. The the briefing has been completed and and we will continue to watch. If like, I said, if if the grand jury is dismissed than Chelsea Manning will be released if the grand juries not dismissed then you have to figure out what additional charges are the interested in pursuing against Julian Assange. So so there we go. All right. Thanks for that breakdown. I just I have to add in on the Assange stuff because I just feel like this isn't at least we're I'm seeing it's not being reported properly. The whole reason he was holed up in the Ecuadorian embassy was because he's trying to avoid initially extradition to Sweden to face sex crime accusations. And I just feel like we're like all of this. Every Twitter personality is is like always being arrested for being a press freedom press freedom press freedom, and also I've seen this..
"julian assange" Discussed on Opening Arguments
"All right. Let's get to our big news of the last twenty four hours here, Julian Assange was well, let's be clear he was kind of taken from the embassy and then. Coincidentally or maybe not, incidentally, I will get address he was indicted by the US, but it wasn't. He wasn't a lot of people thought he was like indicted in rested for that reason. But it's a little fuzzy. So why don't you break down for us? What actually happened here? Yeah. So join Assange has been staying at the Ecuadorian embassy in Britain last night, Ecuador withdrew their asylum which allowed British police to enter the embassy and arrest Julian Assange in Britain, right where he will then be extradited to the United States pursuant to the pending sealed indictment handed down by the eastern district of Virginia that we have discussed on the show on a number occasions. And as a result of that we have now seen that indictment. Put a pin in this because this indictment was handed down March sixth twenty eighteen right? So is. Yeah. Well over a year old, and we advanced the speculation when we were talking about the the bar summary of the Muller report that this indictment could have something to do with WikiLeaks and the Muller investigation. Right. And now that we have seen the indictment. It does not. It. It only covers the twenty ten conspiracy between Assange and Chelsea Manning to blow the whistle on documents related to what they deem asymmetrical warfare. That is to say the use of predominantly drone warfare during the Iraq war. Right. And so Chelsea Manning, then an intelligence analyst provided some of the information to Assange that was released via WikiLeaks. The indictment is a one count indictment. It it it charges us on with only one clone one chug. Yes. Okay. Chugging juice. You got. Yes. And that is conspiracy to commit computer fraud. Right. The conspiracy statute our show listeners can probably recite that one off the top of their head eighteen USC three seventy one. The underlying computer fraud statute is eighteen USC ten thirty and it says whoever knowingly access to computer exceeding their authorized access and by means of such conduct. Having obtained information that has been determined by the US government pursue an executive order or statute to require protection against unauthorized disclosure, for reasons of national defense or foreign relations or any restricted data shall be punished by and in particular, this one is up to five years in prison that is the second lowest order of computer offense. So this is not this is not a huge indictment, and I want to talk a little bit about the specifics. But this is the first area where one police are our own side a little bit here. I have seen folks who have said..
"julian assange" Discussed on The Young Turks
"And at the time he seemed to be very much in favor of Julian Assange now with that said, what does he have to say about Julian Assange today? Do you still love what you leaks? I know nothing about WikiLeaks. It's not my thing. And I know there is something having to do with Julian Assange, I I've been seeing what's happened with Assange and that will be a determination. I would imagine mostly by the attorney general who is doing an excellent job. So he'll be making a determination. I know nothing really about him. It's not my it's not my deal in life. I don't I don't really have an opinion. So remember, it is Donald Trump's department of Justice that is going after Julian Assange with this charge, and it's important to keep in mind, especially when you go back to twenty sixteen or at least the election cycle for two thousand sixteen and remember what Trump had to say about Julian Assange back then WikiLeaks I loved WikiLeaks. This WikiLeaks stuff is unbelievable. It tells you the inner heart. You gotta read it. It's been amazing. What's coming out on WikiLeaks this WikiLeaks is faster than this WikiLeaks? It's like a treasure trove getting off the plane. They would just announcing new Wicky leaks. I wanted to stay there. But I didn't wanna keep you waiting where. I love reading those WikiLeaks, this is so indicative of who Donald Trump is he will love you when he can use you. And then he will immediately turn his back to you. When he doesn't need you anymore. It's amazing. Why does he say that? Why does he say does it any about we helix? I mean, we're just so used to we'll move on. And you know, I guess the best defense is he misspoke Keith is say that I don't know anything about the case in particular and attorney general is pursuing. But the way he said it you saw it on tape. You saw it with your own eyes. I don't know anything about WikiLeaks. We show you the clip like. Lives. I love reading we if he loves reading weaken leaks. It's the only thing he's ever read. There's around and said, I really one name. So like he just can't help himself. It's pathological. Just just give like happened honest answer for a second. Listen, I ain't got nothing to do with it. Take it up with the attorney general they do an independent investigation there. And hey, you know, what we use? So me during the election..
"julian assange" Discussed on The Young Turks
"So my partisan preferences are completely irrelevant to this to this story or my analysis because what really matters here, regardless of whether you like Julian Assange or not is the precedent this sets when it comes to future leaks when it comes to whistle blowers. And I believe that in the grand scheme of things the most important thing to do is to protect the freedom of the press. Right. And so Democrats were very soon. Supportive of Julian Assange back in two thousand ten when classified documents were leaked in regard to our activities abroad. But a lot of them did flip following what happened in two thousand sixteen. And so you need to remain consistent again at the heart of this story is not who's Julian Assange, and what is he done? It's what will the outcome of this case set as a precedent for journalists? Okay. So let me double down on their look Julian Assange and WikiLeaks released information damaging to Hillary Clinton, and they seem to time it to maximum impact on the election. And so would I have done it in a similar timing? I don't know it's hard to know when they were actually ready, and and how much of it was political decisions because they didn't like Hillary Clinton because she had targeted them in the past. Well, look if I was targeted by Hillary Clinton, and my life depended on it might hold a grudge too. But I I would hope that that would not affect my gerbils. So when I release things having said all that even for things, I might or might not agree with in two thousand sixteen I would still defend them if they were going to charge him on legal grounds for what revealing information like any other journalists not only would have done. But did do..
"julian assange" Discussed on The Daily Zeitgeist
"So that ten grants not last night you're home? Exactly. Like like Masimov three jobs that's thirty thousand before taxes. Yeah, wh. Where am I going with that? Yeah, this is the basis of that whole Jeffrey Ellen story where people were like working, right? Or Joe's. A phone Bill. My right. And I think that's the thing is maybe there's this vision of people. I, I certainly had it in my head to before I was starting to work in the industry of sort of like as a kid, I'm like, well, then you will then be pulled up by the tractor beam which is called mass media or making it, and then you live on this other planet, Elise Eum where you are rich. You know what I mean? And then you're like, you start doing gigs like, oh, shit, man, I gotta do like ninety. These mother fuckers to just get by. And sometimes you do, you know, for a day of work at paid five hundred thousand two thousand, but you don't get those days of work. Very right. You know, if you get one of those month, you're happy because part of your rents paid. Exactly like the people who are really rich, they're not on TV. The people that you see, they're not the ones that are even that rich in the grand scheme of things. Obviously familiar rich, like all industries for all the like really high level people who are taking black cars everywhere. There's a vest middle class in that industry of people who know you know from TV or from YouTube or whatever it is. Yeah, because even then like if you get a ton of money working writer's room, that's a couple of months of work and then and then that's gotta coast you through into the next time. You get staffed which could be the next year if you're lucky three. All right. Let's talk about the stories of the day. Let's talk about your man. Julian Assange who's man. You're. Man called him. Australia. Apparently the worst cap surfer to have crashing at your place ever ios. A document that was leaked from the Ecuadorian embassy that was basically like a ultimatum for Julian Assange, sort of like y'all, we're gonna have to curb your internet access unless you start fucking doing a couple of things. Apparently, it started getting hot when the whole Catalonian secession thing was going on in Spain, and he was being real vocal about that. And just other new just general things going on around the world. He was really cheerleading from the sidelines for things like that. And that was causing problems for Ecuador because other countries are looking like, you know your housing's due to your embassy like what's going on was good. So they're like, okay, we're gonna have to take away your internet access for a little bit because we have to sort this out and it's not good for Ecuador. So they gave him a list of things that they were really adamant that he needs to begin following through on, and these rules are fucking amazing. So this real quick Julian Assange, founder WikiLeaks and. And he had to seek asylum in the Ecuadorian embassy in London because he was brought up on rape charges in Sweden. Right? And they were trying to extradite. Yeah, they're trying to extradite him. So he's just like hiding out basic. That's where he's been this whole time whenever you see him. He's basically been in this embassy cooped up. Yeah. And I guess they're starting to really give fucking like tired of this gesture, like fish, yes, they go bad after five years. Right. This is one of two stories this week where it's like, yeah, embassies are basically like home base where you can just like, do like rules are different writing. I'm like it's like international waters like a little island of international waters in the middle of a city kinda crazy anyways anyway..