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Paul Rudd

Sunday Sitdown with Willie Geist

44:39 min | 1 year ago

Paul Rudd

"Leased today the Great Paul Rudd he can't meet Man Woman or child walking down the street or your family or circle of friends who doesn't love Paul Rudd Hey guys Willie geist here with another episode of The Sunday sit down podcasts my thanks as always looking and listening along you are GonNa love who I've got alf where Paul plays both of the lead characters so he plays himself and then he plays another version of himself and actually acts opposite himself yes so living with yourself is I would say sir has these scifi aspects to it he's a man oh I thought it was interesting that he's like a classically trained dramatic stor and by the way British parents nobody knows that yes British born parents yes it he clones himself and now there are two of his character miles two miles one job one life one life with like quick comic timing it's incredible how they do it and we get into that in the interview I'm joined by the producer of this fine podcast Maggie law how you doing depressed you would say not happy with his life he tries to change I don't WanNa you know I don't want to give it away he tries to change his life and in the process the first scene of the series I'm sitting down before I interview and watch this episode a hand punches through the ground someone's been buried alive and man was a more recent one because all of a sudden Paul Rudd beloved and comedies is now a superhero in marvel star but he says the big turn was when he met Judd Appetito yes we'll we'll everybody loves Paul Rudd yes and there's just so much fertile ground I mean you can start we talk about his days apart Mitzvah DJ which he Off Impressive bought Mitzvah. He's got doc martens or half tux shorts it's a pretty good luck a yellow tuck are you also the producer of this very fine interview in many of our very fine interviews on Sunday today Britney Mania Good I think we were both pretty excited about this one is really we he went deep on that because we have the footage that you dug up that I was able to analyze them yes we have seventeen minutes and then we went through yes the streets still wearing things that have the quotes I it's like it's such a classic it's really is it is and that was Britney talks about the left turns in his career how do they navigate yes exactly that's kind of all you need to know God jinx it into but it's also like a little dark funny very funny but also a little it's something that he is described as a left turn in many different ways and it's weird though because that's what you SOCI- with him like associate him with these comrades that person gets out I I believe I WANNA say nude I'm not sure if I think news I think he earned a diaper outside a plastic bag got appetite grumman forty year old version this is forty knocked up anchor man's one of my favorite infant I was gonna say the show and he said you know he sees very interesting dad worked in the airline industry they moved got and they eventually settled near Kansas City which is which is where he grew up so Brittany try before we get into the conversation to set the stage a little about what the show is GonNa say what is the net foot living with yourself and it's rudd opposite road anything I I you know I loved the idea of playing two characters and playing in scenes opposite myself was a new experience I thought it was really you series which obviously is unlike anything you've ever done in your career probably likening people obscene what grabbed you about it when you even read it on the page in a ton to get to with the Great Paul Rudd Right now on the Sunday sit down podcast hi Paul thanks for doing this fan appreciation you just talking about the yeah he jokes in the interviews I think that was the birth of the grunge movement nine shorts started at about somewhere in La The funny but an existential way I thought it was dramatic and moving I can relate to the material this the themes of the show blank page you say here's what the show is I guess it's about this idea that scripts normally they have one or two and then they write them as they go but he were eight contained episodes that were short and really riveting and every time I finished one I really should have planned ahead I'll just go knowing this question is going to be I think that it's an but Maggie it's hard even to pick a favorite Paul Rudd movie there's The holders clueless of course go to but then the whole judd apps and I want to read the next one and so I thought well that's probably the way it would be if you watched it hopefully that's the case this having watched it words this person has been left for dead and buried but this person was alive and then we're off to the races in their opening rust me it's funny somehow from there around you know one of the things that I really liked about this show was that I would read the script and then a few episodes later see it from another point I'd have my family and H so how do you explain to somebody who hasn't washed it which is almost everyone what this show is about as with themes of how we feel about ourselves and liking ourselves and leading to the people that we love in our lines how do we do it as I loved I loved that about it I loved that as I was reading thinking okay we've now set up this idea that there are runs throughout the whole show you different characters perspectives similar events but I we are presented were presented with the opportunity to make the best version of ourselves would we take it I'm thinking of this on the fly there's might not really be what it's about interview and other perspective and it made me reevaluate what I had seen I think that Tim Greenberg wrote the script it in a very clever way it is the case all right very good yeah you're the first person I know that this is even seen is that true I don't know anybody really your wife hasn't seen it I won't let her watch it ah I finished the first episode just kind of read it and and and they were also all written which is normally the case that I could just keep going and and yeah is that something that you can sustain not really because miles is now in a great place when we when we meet him no he's taken some real shots in life don't in conversation or and it's temporary thing I'd like to hold onto this feel rooted I mean it's very temporary with uh-huh she's she has seen it my wife my wife without side your family right okay all right good that sounded bad in a good way and healthy way and and that's what it's about in a nutshell there you go nailed that you go thank you oh now really invested what is this thing going to be and never never stopped is hand and we get the credits just purely as a mechanical acting question I will give an answer as a mechanical how did loved I've already I've already kind of gone off of what your question actually even was but there were certainly all went into it blind a bit it's not totally uncommon thing to see actors up the working opposite themselves as well as other things we did they're great directors and real artists and they had never done anything quite like this either and so we let's go far I'm Gonna I this is I'm going to say with confidence like I know what I'm talking about I know the themes of the show are no about describe it quickly great directors who I really want have wanted to work with for my entire career they were they did the movie little Miss Sunshine let people know that what was the original question tell me again are you answer to answer two questions you went onto the sex question I very economical psychic challenges I was really looking forward to but I didn't know exactly how to do it Dayton and Ferris Valerie ferson Jonathan Dayton married couple of group new versions of this person and is this going to be just stressful and I'm just going to watch this whole big in the last episode the shoes I would rehearse the scene as both characters knowing where I wanted to stan how I wanted to build it and then whatever character was let her watch it don't say anything else about it you just don't let her watch no she you're the first person I know that has seen it no I ended that is actually what it's about because you may think you want to know the best version of yourself and then we actually see it might create some conflict to do it in a lot of things that people do the work opposite and actor and dressed as the person and then the around and I found that to not the way I didn't do that way I found that and we discovered it early on to for me and so became choreography while I was doing the scene and it was it was a little weird got into the flow of and crazy playing the responses of the other character while I was acting at and so I was just looking at tape marks and picturing islands then I would watch the take that we've all had those moments where during Dan I feel clear in my thinking and I'm impressed kind of this dilemma do we is the best version ourselves if we were able to get that would we want it is it really the best and and I would remember the words and my choreography while and then I would go back we would figure out where the islands so it looked like I was looking at myself the best way was to just act opposite air but I recorded both characters audio so do the scene I had done when I had to switch over and do the other character say oh I moved here on that line or I said this and looked out the window on that line you carry out these scenes did you act opposite yourself I mean I think the first time we really get it is in the first episode and you're riding in the car and it's a comedic scene and a three minute scene that's a one one shot where I am in both there's movement and I'm in both the frame is both characters here because your reaction and I'm not reacting to end but I have my voice in my ear and I know where I wanNA take the same is driving the scene I would fill not one first okay then after we got it and I would there'd be somebody off op and never gonNA and that's not actually what happens and when I saw that that wasn't happened that's not what happened in it comes out quickly ah moon or something you know and so there are different things I learned long ways there it was it was it was cool and it was also one of the things that I liked about it was it wasn't so extreme you know the challenge was in the there's only one episode where we did use people dressed as me because there it was impossible not to because we have there some I felt like I knew what the next question you looked over the horizon well we'll just finished episode tune it's clear there's some turn about to happen as he stands outside the door with a rock in it certainly within the marvel world where I have been acting opposite something and it's not really their tennis ball tennis box yeah I I I I've only a few times but but I think you know this I feel like all cylinders are firing and and heck no Dolly that is on a computer it's computer on a track it'll go through the same motions in the exact same way that you can overlay to seen so on there would be and play the scene in my ear and I would remember on what line I was I picked up a can of Coca Cola looking follow Ed engage with the other guy and it was you know technically it was really challenging but it was also exciting when we got it was weird though it'd be like if you are doing this interview when you're not there and I'm asking questions to that window to that feel weird at the beginning at least not I mean it is so you have this banter where your timing is great with yourself and then from there there're a bunch more than their fight scenes how do you begin to act that was that was one of the the nuance of these characters that it it wasn't like the bad version so terrible and then the new version is so that it's be kind of subtle enough that you wouldn't be surprised if you were talking to the old one of the new but if you're watching the show I complete opposite where somebody ran into the new version people say hey you a great wha- what happened did you did you the differences had and I haven't differentiated drama and comedy as much as maybe somebody else I I tend to think they coexist and My favorite stuff seems to be comedy then all the sudden appetite get this monster huge ant man thing and you say okay I want to do something that's more serious more dramatic now to use or look at your career that way when this came up you know when I when I started I wasn't doing comedies that much I would do also John and bow their such there's there's such talented directors that the tone for intensive because we're talking about one fluke seen it's like the thrust of the show talking to you know there's a camera called and you just kind of you know throw yourself into it and act like you know you know your it isn't weird and it doesn't come across well you you again anticipated my question with yeah with posture with voice with those kinds of things are yeah it's fun to work on are you the kind of guy who this project comes up you've done all the Eh that camera because sometimes what I've seen these it looks a little green screen your or no I'm looking at the back of some of the actors head but this really matches yeah and was occasionally I am kind of my first break was in clueless in that had that was romantic comedy but I was also doing plays and I was doing other things that were not funny at all studied drama at Oxford and all the rest of it so where did that acting thing come from for you when you were growing up in Kansas City I did that start all into both genres but at first I think when I was starting off I don't want to be pigeonholed don't WanNa get some stuff that happens and I want to see that but but there was one episode where we had to use some doubles we actually used a few but I think that I was always interested in the arts and are used to draw a lot of maybe I'd WanNa be my parents did it but I thought about it for where did it where did it germinates and would judge each thing on its own merits and a lot of times they're comedy their comedies and they're fun to work and I like the idea certainly that this checked many boxes I mean it is funny but it's it's you know it's funny in a way that almost black mirror in your your start as an actor I don't think most people realize because of the movies they love you from that you're stage actor doing twelfth night and and I've and I've talked about it with directors and talked about writer and we're all kind of coming at it from the same place but I had had now experience casts and and and along the way just started really enjoying what I was doing and enjoying the people I was working with and so I kind of the tone of it all is really you know created by them although it was so well written and it it seemed clear when I was reading it listening to Steve Martin's comedy records I loved Comedians I used to move around a lot when growing up my dad would always get jobs this was yeah this this is steeped in sadness in in reality in hyper reality it's got an existential bent to it it's study it and learn how to be an actor I got to college went the opposite way and really went into classical feeder were it's very clear which one is which if they're not both on that's right it's just enough so the old ones a little slouch ear and a little more with wardrobe who I thought more about acting than I thought about stand upper second city or any of that because I liked disc- high-concept yet fiends this are so universal and relatable I liked all of the all the aspects of it and so I was always drawn to comedy but then when I was about sixteen seventeen years old and you know what do I really want to do manifested in some way and probably the ways many actors but that Morrison there's lots of other reasons I used to love uh-huh and dot all these actors that I love it seems as if this is their background right they really know what they're doing and perhaps some humor to it and it's got a it's got a very strange kind of tone to it a lot of that is animator when I was a kid I love movies I loved Comedians I loved didn't go to the theater a bunch of kids and it wasn't part of my life neither down anymore and I thought Oh you know if I like the attention if I do a cute little dance parents say good job and I I spent the majority of my twenties and thirties I still live in New York doing plays and trying to go back and forth which the moment you'll be back on the stage yeah well maybe h weeks so did you when did you realize you can do this. I'll start with clueless nineteen ninety-five everybody fell in love with Rudd and now it takes us all these years later to a new series on Netflix called living with your son maybe comedy and and and and that kind of thing out me deal on some deep level and and performing and at a young age or in my early twenties I thought I want to have a career that's sustains itself it lasts a long time I feel like the way to do it is transfer so I before I was ten years old lived in four different states had gone to so many different schools I was always a new kid in school and drama as well and I also thought that's the way to do it I will when I when I kind of committed myself to to this and really wanted God knows why and how but at that is what happened I was able to work on a movie and then go do a play and sandy before the minute gets a little dark that kind of pull you out a little bit with the comedy it has it balances both of those things I salute you EJ years because I was reviewing footage this morning you had a certain look about yet yeah it was a yellow tucks up top but then grunge on the AW shing's took a turn when I kind of went into the APP a towel world and and and I love it I mean I'm a comedy fanatic suppose on some very base level has

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Who Won the Week? Round 1!

Bald Movies

44:51 min | 1 year ago

Who Won the Week? Round 1!

"Home everybody we're back with their bald new television the officially unofficial podcast for all of television. We got some girls. Talk up real quick before that. Jim and I want to have a regularly the semi regularly recurring feature where we talk about. Who won the week? That was a popular feature but polarizing feature on when we lasted this with Fargo better call Saul and the leftovers because the leftovers clean clock except for maybe one or two weeks and other fan bases weren't as thrilled by that but yeah it's understandable because they don't like here the other side. Yeah leftovers. Why do I don't give a shit about this? This said and usually what happened on Fargo goes last one out and it rarely I think it only one the week one so people were were testy but if you're a fan of just television. I think it's an interesting feature. I noticed that fucking Chris and Andy over the watch. Podcast are doing the WHO who won the belt. I think it's the opposite because we've been doing this for for the last two seasons for these shows. Okay so I think there. Eben us the everyone does but then I think Bill Simmons so the the the SS just. The snake is eating its own tail regardless having on Bald Mathie beads neutral ground. It's a fun little way. This isn't there's there's there's just no nothing that you get for winning the week. It's just Jim is opinion. As television watchers and and low key amateur critics who on the week so leftovers better call Saul Fargo Leftover Season Opener Fargo season opener better call. Saul seconds episode. Who on the week? I mean in my opinion the leftovers leftovers all right guys. We'll see you guys next week. That's it talk about why we're not going to say so. How much better? It is than the others. It's interesting because Andy Greenwald Listen to podcasts. And he called leftovers the most important television show on our boxes right now right and that's because of the emotional half it's because of the artistry because at the acting it's like everything it's the most it's the thing moving the ball further forward than anything else right now and I. Broadly agree with that. You don't agree with it. I mean what the Hell's before it depends on your definition of important like or important for what like important for society important for television industry important for his ratings. Like what are you? What do you mean by important because there are certainly like their shows like people verse Oj? Or whatever that that Ryan Murphy thing that I would say are probably more important. It's not on right now. Okay so in this narrow eight week window. I think he's been broadly speaking. I guess contemporary time so people versus OJ. Might not count. Since that was last season is not coming back. It's GonNa come back with something. That's American crime story will be. I think it's going to be on Katrina this year. It might be that might be more important. Socially okay but artistically. I think it's hard to say that there's a more important show on television right now. Yeah I'm with him if that's his definition cause I just can't get over. How deftly they go from. You know tear haunting imagery like ev taken. A rocket through the face to borderline slapstick to back the heartbreaking all in a single our and also nothing. They're like like in contrast to other things like better costs on Fargo. This week to proceed. Let's say stately pace. Fargo manages to feel jam packed but never rushed like. There's not a single wasted moment it's ever happening. But it never drags and it never feels like it's hurrying along and as tons of faith in its audience and who it's what choirs preaching to and there's no better collection of actors who were just crush on a week to week basis. That's why I think at one the week and go ahead. I'm with you on that. I think none of the actors that I'm watching week-to-week on the shows are bad right. I mean I've seen some bad acting coming from the walking dead in recent times. Oh yeah this is even close to his bad as that is but somehow even with a stellar cast of Michael mckean Bob Odenkirk doing and re racy Horn doing excellent work over. I'm better call Saul. This is leftovers is head and shoulders above that stuff. And we're going to say when we're talking about winning the week like you're not gonNA see bad performances on Fargo or no debtor does not going to be there but that just is showing and I feel it must suck for the people that just. Don't get the leftovers. Because he's going to be a rough eight weeks because I'm thinking that the leftovers are probably going to be kicking the other shows asses and maybe the more interesting thing is going to be. Who TAKES THE SILVER MEDAL? Yeah who's going to be third runner up and the Minnesota Bridge contest right tough one for me because I think better call. Saul had a pretty weak second episode. This season there were two big trails of of what I view this series and its characters as and Fargo didn't have anything like that it just Fargo doesn't excite me inherently quite as much but I think it had better episode. This week agreed agreed. Because I think that better off at the same formulas last week where it took it stately slow pace excruciatingly slow pace and then lowered the stakes. Yeah and as you said maybe traded character integrity for few laughs or a few chuckles at Sol's or Jimmy's expense which is something leftovers never does know and whereas Fargo also had advantage of being completely. I mean it's not fresh. That's the thing is i. Listen as I read a bunch of opinions. Listen to a bunch of podcast. This week. We were not outside of the mainstream but maybe like this is an excellent television show. But we're wondering how much longer it can go with being like like. Ach Andy and Chris saying. Essentially this is a season long procedural which is what we were saying. That's fundamentally we got away from procedural television because it's fundamentally not as interesting as the other stuff that's going on in the golden age of television so fargo even though the format starting to get a little creaky. It was all new all new characters. Pleasure seen McGregor doing is weird. You know D- Dis- stunt brother casting and Carrie. Coon sweeping attack. Took a flashlight around. And and the styles air to Yeah Call Saul has it style But I feel like it was a little stretched thin in this episode and Fargo definitely has a style which overall a stretch them but it's kind of a renewed by the new story. Vargo style is polyester slacks and you Betcha a better call Saul style is shimmering New Mexico Desert Mirages. Here's better call Saul Style and now you you gotTa have. You had a quarter. Yeah J. reported doing his lunar landscape behind that. Yeah we do. We ought to take one of the music for Mike Mike Stuff and put it against you editing a podcast with different different camera angles and focusing on your eyes and the INS clicking the mouse and I WANNA we can make it interesting. He put day for good. And you got to be true. In your lips waggling eyebrows. You GotTa have your your your ears wiggling but I agree. I agree and I don't again. I don't want to consider criticism breaking a better because it's it's the bronze medal of the Olympics. There's there's no slouch and I feel like there's no shame in it. I think that better call is probably a better show in general they fargo or at least I enjoy it more In the long in the long haul. Yeah but this week just. That wasn't the case. I'm not sure I agree with that because I season. Br Be Fargo. I think was better than first season. Better Call Saul second season. Better Call Saul better second season second season. Fargo in my opinion. But I think that's that's a lot of people love season to Fargo. We weren't those people. I liked a lot of things about it but man there were some. Oh yeah problem. So we'll see we'll see I. I do think that far the leftovers might be vulnerable. Because they have to have they have to move their pieces around delivered a set pieces as much as anybody. And if you know break I if better call saw has Wizz Bang Gus Gus. Moment and my almond at the same time. They're taking a breath on the leftovers. And and and or Fargo's capable of of some of that. The high high action high pressure high stakes stuff as well. They might steal a week or two but my expectation. Mike speculation to give this this segment. Stakes is the leftovers was going to win six. Yes the weeks that it's going to be on but to continue with the Olympics analogies. You know they've these shows have been swinging around the bars for a while right now. One of them's gotta hit the dismount. Right the others can keep swinging and impressing people. But that's true. That dismount is the hard part and leftovers can actually stick leftovers. Doesn't stick it perfectly. That's definitely leave him. Vulnerable to. Yeah and also it. It takes it takes. It takes a bow after eight episodes so that will still leave better call Saul and Fargo Duke. After another couple of weeks I believe. Yeah so that'll leave them room anyway. That's one week this week. seems like universal For these two hosted any wife Leftovers Fargo Better Call Saul. We'll see if we switch it up next week. Okay onto other business. I have this dismiss Jim and brought incessantly. Because we're going to. We're going to take down not not take down we're going to recap the very last of. Hbo's Girls What did you think of the this season as a whole and the finale. Let's let's let's let's talk about that and your thoughts on the finale. I thought it was a really powerful final season. I think that she sort of wrapped up all the things that she felt she needed to. Except for the last two episodes Which we get into it. What did you think I think that all in all the pregnancy plot felt like a misstep to me in a lot of different ways and that similar to breaking bad they did this kind of choose your own ending type. Where if you want to conventional girls ending. You can can pretend like the goodbye. Tour is the final episode and are all the girls kind of agreed to go their separate ways and found some kind of peace had had a little bit of closure there Or if you want to I guess go with the more Judd appetito ending which seems like he was the driving behind that right behind the scenes you would go with latching where. Hannah grows up in a single thirty minutes. Section of being a new mother being confronted and she gets through postpartum depression and all that in a single thirty minute episode. I guess I mean we've talked previously about how the pregnancy plot wasn't all right deal of how it should go and how this particular young woman's story doesn't really resonate with me or millennia. Women I suppose in this turbulent political landscape currently what did 'cause I listen to Christian indies the watch podcast on the way to the studio this morning and they said that this seems like a very APP Italian thing that Growing up is intrinsically tied to the responsibilities of fairly conventional nuclear family relationship. Like you you you you go from feckless horror to responsible citizen by having a baby and that's the thing that makes everyone grow up and everyone realized there's consequences and you're right. I hadn't realized that but yeah I guess that's I mean. Think about how much of that run through. A lot of his work does but also seems like something that Lena done. Honestly I mean he's also has two children so I could see that he's reading from his perspective. Sure but I don't think that that's what Lena Dunham is doing. I mean I think it's scary that if you wait until you actually have kids in the world before you get your shit together right like I know people do but I don't think that's the shining standard. And she had a moment of clarity but I don't think that she is a change verson. I think she's still a petulant child. Who now is in charge of another human life? Plus it took mandating a worse version of herself like this whiny entitled. Asshole of this teenager that ran out and told that said all these awful things about her mother just because she couldn't go be with her boyfriend because she had to do her homework right or what happens when she meets like the Uber. Soccer moms got three kids and wants to tell her exactly how to do things for she bucks that and she says you know what I. Maybe I can leave my baby alone for a few hours because I'm dealing with postpartum depression. My mom and Marnie left me so I'm just going to go out on a walk because I just can't write that going to be the next episode of this. We're GONNA continue. Yeah I mean I said this. I don't know because a lot of this stuff where you you're presented to the young woman who's growing up and I don't think anyone should be judged on what they do in the early twenties especially if you have some sort of mental illnesses that you're you might be on the spectrum of bids you're overcoming some nonconventional child rearing techniques that your parents were were trying on you grew up in a you know like Hannah Grope in a room and a house that had all this roiling resentment at this at below the surface. Her Dad is closeted gay the whole time. Her mom's re probably at some level realizes that she's settling for a relationship that doesn't have any passion just for safety and then when that we even went away like how we see we've seen how bitter and angry about it like that had to have a? I think that maybe not at her husband but partially over at her husband for not being honest with their for all of those years but she's also progressive not being honest with herself right and she's also pro- probably progressive enough to realize it's not like it's not the easiest thing in the world to be an out and proud gay man in this in this world from a certain generation in a background. Yeah and you know the thing about the final episode is that it would have fit so much more nicely as the penultimate episode. But I mean as far as storyline in development goes but obviously that could not have happened because she had a baby for. Its play out that way but I think that they could have spent more time in the early. Part of the season wrapping. Things up I mean. Did you feel like in the first few episodes? Were just getting another season of girls. I I don't know I just whenever I o going into it that this is going to be the last season. I always have so much higher expectations for them that much because I felt like that from the very first episode. This had an era finality to it and there were some changes that the girls were were going through and you know. I don't feel I don't feel like ultimately it was entirely satisfied because again my perfect season girls Hannah wooden have to get pregnant to realize have all these revelations about herself and also like I'm again I'm so shocked at how. Goddamn traditional and conservative. This show is because down to the breastfeeding. Everyone knows the breastfeeding is the best way to do. You can do it. You should do it because it's cheaper. It's better on your body. It's better for the baby but like really the final thing we have to Hannah mastering breastfeeding. Because that's the ultimate judge of Motherhood after she already came to terms of the fact that formula might be just the way. My particular baby is going to develop and some women give it to the college try. And they're still judged and made to feel like they're less then because they can't make it work or they don't WanNa make it work or you know I just felt like again that's another level and I know this goes on like that. Women are kind of catty and mean to women that struggle with breastfeeding or choose not to do it. How do you feel about with the season as a whole Hannah was sort of the access that all these characters revolves around in order to find peace themselves? Adam had to spend the day with her thinking about how his life could have been in order to be Jessica. You know they so. Shawna had to have that Meeting in the bathroom that Hannah started for her to say. I can't be around any of you anymore. It just felt like I guess I know because let's let's talk about this That the look. Let's get into. What will we do this? Time about Adam Because I actually agree with how all that resolve but I'm not sure that I agree with how is depicted like I do think you know the one that goes because most of the time. I heard Lena Dunham talk about this season. I was like the episode less after I heard her. Explain it because a lot of the kind of stuff that I was getting and I thought that they were doing. She wasn't talking about and she was talking about very surface level. That I thought was kind of leg. You know wrongheaded and ban this. I don't know I feel bad as a man. Criticizing this woman for telling her story but the one thing I did think I saw an interview where she was explaining that you know Hannah is important for her to realize that like you had this very intense sexual fuck buddy relationship with this guy and there was a connection there and that was real but that wasn't something that you could sustain long-term and that's not something that was very healthy either. Haven't they come back to each other a couple of times since then and I just feel like if autumn especially seems like the kind of person who is aware that it wouldn't work but I can also wanting to go when start this family with Hannah. Because he thinks that she just can't do it on her own. The truth is that she's a child doing raising a child and he feels like he's partially responsible for any part of her life and he feels like he needs to be there right. I would have made more sense to me right. He does have this kind of like caretaking but abusing kind of thing to him as well I don't know he's an interesting guy at but that's what. I'm saying like everything about that episode. Like nothing like when they're having when they're having that final conversation where they're talking about getting married and stuff I could see it falling apart but it didn't feel it didn't feel like an organic experience that you would have in a single day's time now this compressing something to an experiment that failed over the course of months into a single day. It didn't quite work for me right or Lena. Dunham's idealized version of events or people's lives are that it's only interesting if it's messy or if these people are Iraq Schuss or making the wrong decisions I would've liked to seen Shoshana more Shoshana make sort of re revelations on our own You know suddenly. She's engaged his guy that we don't know anything about and you know ray just dumps her one day 'cause he meets this other woman and she just I don't know maybe the care. Maybe the actress herself. She's busy but I feel like that was one of the more interesting characters throughout the entire series. Yeah if you've listened to me talking about girls for all these years you'll know that I'm a huge fan. And I thought she was almost criminally under served by this season and like I fully understand all the decisions she's made like she's decided like this type woman I want to be in. These women don't fit in that lifestyle and they don't like but that's that's fine actually made a transition that's believable. So how'd you get there? That's what I WANNA see. How do you go from like I mean? There's some time that's elapsed because hand has gone from conception to being to giving birth this month but you know it's a little bit outside of what I was expecting to see so Shoshana because I also taking for granted that Shoshana was starting to maybe rekindled things with ray because she seemed kind of put out that he immediately took to this. You know her manager who had Kinda set up all this is annoying person and I don't feel about. There's going to be uncomfortable than ray immediately. Hits it off with her and she can't she's kind of be wilted by it. Maybe that's not true but even if it isn't how the hell did she meet this guy and get engaged to him within six months van. That seems really fast. It does really fast but Shoshana seems to me like the kind of person that I would trust her decision. I mean we had like a six month engagement but we'd also lived together for five years previously that so that's a bit. That's that's that's that's a little bit different. So yeah you're right. I would've liked to seen more of that. I guess journey as well. Do you know the other thing is do you think because I think they strongly hinted to Adam and and Jessica didn't workout so when she was at a Shoshana Party. She mentioned that she had been waiting outside for the party to begins. Its like the middle of the afternoon and I feel like if she was still at Adam she would have been doing something at his apartment she would. She would not not even come to the party. Yeah like I just she just the way. She was carrying us off as like she. You compare to her how she was at the end of what we will do this time about Adam where she was kinda desks like she was so relieved that she might be pregnant as well. Did you get Yeah why I forget. Maybe she likes shoes throwing up. Bless you yeah. That's it was? There is sort of like a hints at her. Maybe being pregnant as well But I mean I don't think that happened. Yeah I do. I just feel like that there was a little bit. Like she'd gotten a new wrinkle in her ass and learn something new and you may like something hard happened in you contrast that to how happy she was Adam came back and then three months kind of lapse. And then you've got the goodbye tour and now she's kind of like this. Broken person is ready to can reconcile people and the way. She was talking about waiting outside for this party to begin. I got the impression that Adam was out of the picture. I don't think so. Yeah Yeah and also the fact that Hanoi was ready to guess. I don't know I don't even know because the interesting thing is I've had many times where I've outgrown friends or they've outgrown me or whatever and we go our separate ways. I never had that like moment of closure where we're altogether and we're like this is just doesn't make sense anymore right like what what what are we doing. We're just hurting one another. And we're not supporting and made with the possible exception of Marnie and Hannah right like I see them being remained bec because he always like you know I've held onto Jim. You held onto a couple of friends. There's always some people that kind of go on that journey with you and maybe they stay with you for life but the vast majority I mean I I don't keep in track. Hardly anybody from High School No. I don't keep track of a lot of people that even in my early twenties. Now I've got a better reason that than most but it seems like a kind of a universal experience that when you get into early adulthood Everything changes again just Lena Dunham's Lala Land. Yeah the only episode that we haven't talked about because the last four rebounds. What will we do this time about Adam? Goodbye tour and latching the bounce. Which is one of my favorite episodes of the season. Because a let Andrew rannel be Angie Randall and be a Broadway star. Yeah and we got. We got to see him. Showing up for this preposterous. And and maybe it's a real thing but it seem preposterous. This Broadway version of white men can't jump where he can do everything but dribble a basketball like he can belt that show tunes. You can do this. And it's so funny because I thought they said they had met the B like fish out of water when they're doing this complicated choreography and he's just kind of like looking bewildered but then he does nails it because he was just processing it. I thought that episode was really really good. And then you know. He had so many good moments. I quoted the federal stores but I love that. Yeah where he comes into the bathroom and it'd be like gas who got the white men can't jump backless floors. I'll see you tomorrow when I dance this night out. Or whatever warned his night out. I thought that was hilarious. I kind of undo all of the The Eli and Elisha Hannah Steph. From the beginning where she gets pregnant and sh- and he gets upset because she assumes he's just GonNa stick around but then she just does leave anyway. Yeah it's interesting because you know he was ready to. I think make it a go with her in New York. But then she ends up. That's another thing like you can't raise a kid in the city. It's so weird to have nothing. She just got a better job outside of the city. Yeah Yeah but like. She's like she saw Salwen shitting alley in New York and suddenly Newark's terrible dirty replace. She's just doesn't belong in and I. Hey Look I feel that way about New York City. I don't when I go to big cities are nice places to visit like. Chicago is just too big for me. It's almost my size but still I live in Linz and yeah. I like living in Cincinnati. There's of stuff to do but I don't like there's also some but fifteen minutes out of the city to get the nature unlike New Yorker Miami. Let's say People aren't just sitting in the street. Yeah yeah like Jesse points out. Yeah I I for one have lift. Forty Years Planning have never seen so much shit in the streets. So and that's the other funny thing. Is you see like Jess has shit industry? Yeah she hasn't seen anything wrong. We've P in the street like who hasn't Shit in the street and there's like people like Lots of patients. You're telling me that every shit you've ever taken it's been on a toilet other than what I camps and it's been a baby or when I when I was growing up and I shouldn't diapers. Yes every ship that I've taken has been in the toilet. What the hell. Yeah interesting. Very interesting I liked. What will I like the bounce I like to I like goodbye. Tour was a better ending for girls. Can we talk about the so? I don't WanNa talk too much about the series because I think part of the fun of girls is complaining about girls that Jean. What they're doing so Lena Dunham sad that she wrote a story about herself years in the past where she's making these mistakes in writing from her experience in the more extreme version as well as acting. Maybe I don't know. Yeah they're all they're all just a bunch of hot messes and it's fun to watch. I've never been anything on. You're going to buy ten when you end the series. That's where made a mistake. I mean I think that they can be. I think. Hot messes can grow up. Sure but I don't think it happens overnight. It's one conversation like you. Latch your baby on their now grown up and I'm never gonNA make a mistake you game. We're all that as woman like no and just just the rate of maturity that that I saw like to me if you take the pregnancy plot the goodbye tour would be a very strong like I feel like I know where these like you know. I don't know if they're gonNA make it or not. But like I'm reasonably satisfied and convinced of the reality of the growth that these four have undergone into six years that I've been watching them. You throw in pregnancy plot and you throw in Barney's competition for best friend and the whole last episode where Hannah just and I get postpartum depression. That's everything I didn't feel feel like this felt like postpartum depression but I don't know what that looks like so I'm pretty sure that's what they're I mean without saying it. That's what she was experiencing but do snap out of it. Just because your mom gives you a tough talk and you run into a terrible teenager and your kid you snap out of it. Yeah you just not bad if it wants your kid. Latches on an impression works. What would happen if she didn't have Marnie like 'cause like I? Yeah I was like thank God for my and I was getting so irritated with Hannah. Because like it's one thing for someone to be hovering over you telling your doing things wrong like when you swallow your kid and instantly falls off in this person shows you how to swallow for. They've been reading the books. We all know that. Marnie is not speaking from experience she is. She's coming from the same place that you are. There's some things like you know. Every kid sleeps different. Every kid eats different. Every kid's got their own personality but no kid. There's a proper way diaper them. There's a proper way the bay then there's a proper way to lay them in their crib. There's a proper way to swallow them. There's a proper way to comfort them properly. Make an envelope of EUR tit these techniques. That work for you just to be like fuck all that Shit. I'm like I mean I guess you can do that. But the be angry and defiant shitty wire doing and again okay. Maybe picking on a woman a mother suffering from postpartum depression. But Damn I don't know it was. It was tough for me to watch. Marnie go through all that and Marty's complicated too. Because she's doing these weird you know tender stuff and she's doing this the phone sex fantasy with this dude. I don't get mark. Marnie is a Weirdo. I I hope she turns out. Okay but she's she's a she's a Weirdo but thank God. She was there because I would really fear for that kid that night that she stormed out if she didn't have her mom and Marnie the effortlessly. Pick up the slack. And here's the thing that really pissed me off about Lena Dunham on the after the episode of girls. She was saying like I just love that scene when Hannah came back with no pants and no shoes and her her mom and best friend sitting there with a glass of wine ready for comeback back and they don't even have to apologize known as apologize. Because that's what Mike Bull fucking Shit Knoll fucking shit you old. Both of those women apology. Yes and you know. Maybe they should be concerned about where you were and why you don't have pants on and all that Kinda stuff. Police officers escort escorted you home and like that. I don't think that's what love is. That is crazy ever apologizing. Love means no accountability. Yes yeah you can do whatever the hell you want and they just unconditionally. I mean I'm conditionally. Love you so again. That's yet another example of me liking the episode. Less after I heard Lena Dunham explain it but on the other hand can. I don't it as I'm saying these things. It's weird because part of me wants to say Lena Dunham should have the liberty to do a imperfect television show and not have it be a referendum on her life and who she is absolutely if she didn't so closely associate herself with all those things. I I still don't think even even having said that that that happens to mail show runners. You know the guys that are telling personal stories than that mean a Lotta some like stuff like you know like that. They're like Matthew. Whiny running about Manmohan. Yeah I mean literally had experience I mean that was but but that was something of a very important story for him to tell and nobody took don draper's behavior as no-one said that like all matthew winer all this behavior and this is a better example because Matthew didn't play John Draper and didn't say wrote this from when I was at guy in the sixties. Sure sure but you you'RE I. I understand what you're saying but I can't think of any examples right now that I can directly compare this to but like let's looks like Louis Messy show. That is very autobiography. Will and and not a literal translation of his life is certainly a pretty honest. Look at a version of his life and there's not endless stories about. Oh my God. I can't believe that he thinks this. And he thinks that got an actual point. He's making with all of those things and he's I think he's more self aware. You know not as oblivious about the other hand is like you know. He didn't write that when he was twenty. Four years old and he didn't grow up as we were watching him do it and had been attacked by conservatives or liberals eight or feminist hater. Men's rights activists hater like it does feel a little unfair to make. I don't know but on the other hand she does do things that drives me up the wall in real life too and realize like there's like you know but but again no. I don't think may maybe made from. Does she did kind of ask? I don't know I don't know. I don't know how to articulate this. Because it's like on one hand it's not fair to be held up as a feminist icon. But it does seem like she did not shy away from this whole voice of a generation stuff. Oh yeah I mean so maybe clip in this episode round my previous seasons where she said that but if I was a late twentysomething writing a hit television show for HBO WORK. With Judd appetite. Having this much sunshine blow my ass. I don't know that I would say no too. Many flattering comparisons that were that goes through one self awareness and some some poisons age and all that stuff but it just feels a little gross that we even I myself feel like maybe this is critical for what this show. Is this monstrous behavior. And also. It's a comedy. I laughed almost every single episode of girls. I mean are we talking about in Lena? Dunham in relationship to girls or just Lena Dunham how she carries herself in real life. I'm talking about Lena. Dunham the Creator released autobiography. That was that had some controversy behind it at bullshit though I mean. I don't know like people are want to say that she's a child. Molesters Stuck With Center Sisters Regina when she was what five six and she liked the other thing that people want to hold against her is that she she was shed to share bedroom and a bed with her sister. She was like a thirteen year old. She masturbated while her younger sister was sleeping beside her. God who doesn't masturbate in really weird places a gay as long as you don't make it someone else's problem the yeah that's the thing I don't that doesn't like everyone wants to say like she's a child. Predator that that something deeply wrong and I'm like I think that's you know. I didn't pay child experimenting with their sexuality. Yeah that's what I'm saying like she. She just can't win. He's trying to be honest and funny and safety. I mean but here's the thing. You released an autobiography or something personal year inviting criticism and I'm not saying that she deserves it all. I'm just saying it's what you do it for right right about coming home with his four year olds legs spread wide open. And she's out her fingers under vagina holding an apart- gone And like what that is the walk into. Nobody's like Oh my God Louis. Ck's a fucking creepy weirdo pervert. And he's got some kind of appropriate sexual fixation with his daughter. But I feel like people. It's super easy to draw a line between what is said in in terms of like job or TV. Show or what you actually write about your real life expand with those for that specifically but Yeah I mean people have some shitty things that say about Mother Teresa to Right. Maybe it's just hard and people are complicated and it seems like that it. She did get a little extra heat that maybe she didn't deserve and maybe she could have done things to to. Maybe she did. Maybe she'd been a more perfect. I don't think she should have done anything different ever being herself right. And there's nothing wrong with that but not everyone can agree with you. And maybe she's not a role model for everybody and maybe she was the voice of a generation but she did make a what I think is important and entertaining television. Show not important like the wires important. Oj The people vs OJ's important or you know like that. But like I do think. Wouldn't you get ten twenty years down this this this will be seen as you know? I? I don't know do you think. Do you think the show will be important in your down? Low wrote line like important terms like sex in the city. Important sex in the city. Wasn't that important. Was It really resonated with a certain generation? I don't think they're important later. I think they're important in the moment. City was then girls is now friends was then. But you'll be a cultural touchstone. Exactly R- watching reruns doesn't resonate with twentysomethings right now. Does it probably not because they don't have cell phones and they're not on tinder and they're not you know what's funny about. That is like I feel friends. Was it appealed the light like you didn't have to be from New Yorker in Brooklyn to appreciate what was going on friends. Even though that was a big part of the show like this fictional fabulous version of it whereas a lot of times girls I did feel like an outsider looking in a culture that I didn't understand. Yeah felt very like these people's attitudes are obviously wrong. And they've obviously got sticks up their asses and they're obviously making bad decisions. Obviously being you know sh sanctimonious self righteous when they've got giant rafters sticking out of their eyes. But that's and it's weird because there was another realism that you can't like I. Sometimes I try to engage with it like always sunny. We're like well these are obviously garbage people and I'm watching them destroy themselves and people around them and it's funny but there's enough realism and I guess truth. In the comedy I couldn't ever fully disengage with that side of it but there was enough of the always sunny that I was very conflicted. Very conflicted and complicated watching this quote unquote comedy is what? I'm trying to get it right and now that we've had this conversation. I have to say that I feel ready for motherhood and I feel like I'm a very complete person. Now can you latch? I don't know we'll see because that's such a risk like if you have ten months and need the baby comes out and you can't latch than this for nothing. Yeah that I might as well throw the baby away. I'll try again all right. All right So yeah that's That's girls that's girls anything else. WanNa talk about it. No all right. Do we have any idea of when we're GONNA get you back in the city? Yeah I will be around for a special events. What about. Let me ask you this because I'm not. I don't have time to do a full show on this but you and I are kind of interested in American gods and monsters. Yeah American guys gaming. That's coming out pretty soon April thirtieth. I'm thinking maybe we can do a girl style or like an expanse style approach. Wherever couple three weeks we go in and talk about that. I love that idea. Have you read the book now? Someone on Forum. Today is a quick read. Yeah thinking about maybe trying to see how quick a read it is and see if I can squeeze before the show starts. Yeah or I could go in completely blind. I'm conflicted about it. I did read the WIKIPEDIA. Did you yeah damn it. Well the only reason I do that is because I know I always forget those things before. It actually happens yeah. I don't know why I do it just. I just like to understand what I'm getting myself into your the Anti spoiler spoiler file you like knowing what you're going into some of their eyes wide open. Yes because that's the thing I think is mildly and even if I wa- I mean the whole reason I even started reading about. It is because of the trailer trailer. Looks fucking amazing. It looks bonkers. I kind of this part of me as a critic now is I are attracted the bonkers thing and I've always been super interested in like Greek mythology norse mythology which is the north. Yeah so I mean they already had me hook line and sinker. Plus the CAST What a lineup. So yeah that's something we'll cover all right So that that's that's coming up pretty soon. We'll we'll we'll keep your end for that. Hold that Bald New Television yes. We'll be on the look after next young pope to an American crime stories coming back later in the summer. What's that script Katrina stuff? I haven't seen an actual. The next American crime story is going to be supposedly about the Katrina disaster. Oh really yeah. Like an analyst analyst all went wrong and I that's a fair and kind of balance thing I think that would be really important because that's another like OJ fought. I knew a lot about but watching that and watching the eight hour long. Espn documentary. Like I'd Never WanNa see anything more about Oj but also that was fascinating to see how influential that was in a particular time and point in American culture. I mean Rena might be the same thing because we know we have like George. Bush doesn't care about black people and was actually the Democratic governor who didn't do Blah or you know it's like there's all this like blame game but like it would be nice to see an impartial and honest. Look at all because that that's a multiple. It seems to me like that took multiple layers of of shirking responsibility and bad decisions to make bead the disaster that it kind of being. But I'm interested. That might be another opportunity for us to get in their feud with Bette and Joan is on right. Now we watch the phrase this week right. Yep So maybe we'll be able to talk about that some. I don't know there's all kinds of so much. Tv right now so much good TV. But I think that's all I've got for this episode all right. Well thanks for joining us for another bold New Television. We will be back early next week. through me and Jim and hopefully Levi to break down the final season of Of the expanse speaking of the final season expanse I can't help but note that when Amos Strip down to the waste your vagina turn into an Epstein. Dr Accelerated you at one g throughout our house. It's it it's spoilers for your podcast all right. Thanks for listening to have a great weekend and we'll see real soon bye.

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Pete Holmes: Comedy! Sex! God!

The Rich Roll Podcast

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Pete Holmes: Comedy! Sex! God!

"Very unpleasing to the ego. When we think it's not about having something it's about letting go of something, but stillness and quiet be still and know that I'm God that it's right there staring you in the face. It's about getting into your pure, basic awareness. A big thing. The book is about is tapping into soul consciousness when you can really go my awareness that's behind and beyond my identity and the thought and the story that I build about who I am my gender where I'm from my age my likes and dislikes if you can identify with the witness to those things, which is what meditation is it's practicing being clean pure awareness. If you can go into that place through breathing or repetition of a mantra, that's where pieces. That's Pete Holmes this week on the retrial podcast. Podcast. Hey, everybody. How you guys doing? What's happening? Welcome to the show. My name is rich role. I am your host. This is my podcast and today's guest what an absolute delight this guy. Is you guys know Pete Holmes right stand up, comedian, writer, spiritual seeker creator and star of the HBO series crashing which if you have not caught it I strongly suggest you check it out, which is a show, that's basically loosely based on Pete's life. When he was just getting started. As a stand up comic. It's executive produced by the great Judd appetito. And it is a must watch. I was first introduced to Pete a couple years ago by our mutual friend, rob bell. And I had the pleasure of guesting on Pete's podcast. You made it weird back in. I think it was December of two thousand sixteen which as a huge fan of Pete's work with such a cool experience. I'll put a link in the show notes to that. If you missed it. And I wanted to go. This guy on the show ever. Since meeting him. This experience is everything I hoped it would be and it's all coming up in a couple of Hugh. But I because I'm run a lot. 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They will support you there too. So start your free trial site today. Go to squarespace dot com. Ford slash ritual. And make sure you use the offer code rich role to get ten percent off your first purchase. Make your next move with beautiful website from squarespace Pete Holmes comedy sex. God it's all in their people. We cover all of it. And oh how I love it. We talk about his evangelical upbringing how peace failed attempt to live up to this picture. Perfect life kind of forced him to reexamine everything from his beliefs as faith, and the soul seeking journey that he's kind of been on ever since. Of course, we talk about comedy, standup creativity. Christianity Jesus spending time with all kinds of spiritual Cevantes like Ramdas. We talk about psychedelics fatherhood. What it's like to work with John appetito what it's like to have a show on HBO crashing what it's like when that show goes away. Basically how to make sense? Of this crazy, beautiful messy, wonderful mysterious disorienting thing we call life. And that my friends is all I'm going to say about that other than to say as Pete would say, let's get into it. So I emailed you like, I think when was it that you were going to come out here, and we had to cancel much less. Like there was mudslides road was closed a bible. Two years ago or something like that? Yeah. I mean, you know, my show just got cancelled in and there's a there's sort of a wonderfulness. There's obviously some other feelings for sure. But like there's like this opening I goes, very excited to get in touch with you and other people there it was like, not just podcasts and self-serving promotion stuff. Although I'm happy to see you, obviously. But just meals phone calls you getting back to your life. Yeah. Just well sitting with my wife and having no other program running I'm very this is kind of a brag. But I'm very president with my wife and very loving. So she's not I think if she was here she would tell you that I'm not like a hold on. We're gonna write that down constantly person. But like now that the show is concluded I just feel I feel I keep saying I feel like the sky Montana. I'm just like wide open. So I'm like reading so much. I told you I came here. This is all I'm doing today. Yeah. It's nice. How my life was much longer than it was a show producer in. You know what I mean? Yeah. That was four years will last night was the the. Season finale and also the series finale. So here we are the morning after I would imagine, you know, there's a bit of hangover with that you must have conflicting emotions thing. I didn't I didn't expect that you're not a flatter. What a disappointment. I'm just kidding. Yeah. I was noticing on the way. And then I like, I felt sky Montana and joy and like, really joy. And gratitude that's not I have to tell people that I'm not like repressing anything very emotionally available persons. If I was devastated or angry. I would tell you. But I do sort of psychically feel a little bit of the sadness because we watched it together. I would imagine as a group of the whole cast and crew pretty much. I mean, everybody that could come. So we watched it last night. And that made it more sad. My brain is very forward moving. I'm very fortunate the times in my life that like things I've been privileged to have other things canceled. You know what I mean? And I tend to it's like I'm getting pushed instead of. I'm getting snowed under I feel like I'm getting pushed, you know. What I mean? It's mobilizing right. So I kind of liked that energy. There's like a sharpie like a friendly shark though that likes to keep moving and I. Thrive with uncertainty, and I enjoy pressure, and and I like novelty, so they're all these good feelings. But then you watch it and every shot of TV show that you make is a memory. Of course, it's not like, I'm you should I wish you I wish I had invited you. But I sometimes feel like everybody know anyone succumb to totally right. All right. I just feel like real I feel like I'm inviting some people to something that like they feel bad if they can't come. You know what I mean? It's almost like this New England polity that I'm like, I don't want to bother somebody make Beverly Hills on a Sunday night when my God, it would have been cool ivory. Well, we watched it. And and if you had set next to me what I was saying Nevada was like there's a scene with John John Molina. I and it's so funny. He kills it. And he sort of explaining that, he's not a jerk sort of coaching me to tell people that he's not a jerk. And I go to Val. I'm like it's five in the morning like four thirty in the morning when we're shooting this, and I'm losing my mind and in the scene like I look normal. Look look at seven o'clock looks like it's in real time. Yeah. But he's super composed. But that's what you don't. That's what I didn't really know is when you're watching a movie now when when I watch anything I have a pretty good nose for like, I bet that's the first thing they shot. You know what I mean? Because it's not the first you don't start with the first scene and takes you out of being present for the experience of art. This is trying to convey, sometimes, you know, it can be I have to sort of make an effort to turn that part off. But I can. But sometimes I like to do it, especially if it's something that I don't care about if it's a movie that I'm not really like waiting to be swept away by I can kind of go like, isn't it weird to think that that's Tuesday? And when the person walks out of the building that's Thursday, you know, right exterior and the interior was a sad and the exterior is a real location. So they probably flew somewhere for that shot. You know, there's movies like where they say like the David Lynch movie eraserhead there's a shot where he walks out of the building. And then people who know that movie really well are like the next shot is three years later. Because they like rain high finding or there's some story, and I love I kind of like stuff like that. Well, Mullany was great. Yeah. Was a jerk. And then the fact that you then get up on stage and kill it and own him for that. Now is that's comedy. Did what Coniston of you know? That's that's really I sort of think about what really kind of gets me going isn't necessarily comedy. It's the perspective of a comedian, which is very honest and usually going wherever the line is. And I don't just mean in terms of offensive things. I mean the line in terms of thinking where usually people stop and stop saying what they're thinking comedians usually start at the line and move forward. Whereas most people take the line as acute stop so honesty, really excites me. And then to see him respect you for that. Yeah. And not hold a grudge. Yeah. Or bureau -tated, but instead kind of embrace you and welcome you into his fold and old programming. Pete. Like Christian p thinks, it's employees. Light and apologizes to him. Right. When really he's he's sort of learning that lesson that like, no, that's what we do. We take unpleasant emotions. I said on another podcast. I was like life is falling down and getting up and talking about it. That's what we're all doing and the artist's job whatever you're doing. You could be an artist as a mother, it doesn't matter. It doesn't have to be like a professional artist. But the art of life is to share and talk about it. I was talking to somebody like the first painting the first time somebody painted something if you've ever taken psychedelics as you're like, you get overwhelmed with a feeling of like, oh, I'm I'm sort of alone in here, you sort of feel trapped sometimes like in your body, and I feel like arts job somebody paints this, and this is how I feel sometimes this right here is how I feel and other people look at it. And they go I get that. And it's wonderful warm. All of a sudden, it's less isolated and scary because the truth is undeniable. Yeah. Even if it's only your personal truth, and you're unsure as to whether anybody else is going to be able to connect with that it doesn't matter. Well, the more specific we were the more specific I've been in everything that I've done my. Podcast and my book and the show and even silly sketches. The more specific we got the more universal. They became an interesting thing where you think like, oh, it's going to be. So inside baseball gonna lose people. But that's actually I love story. I've never done this it up. You know what I'm saying? It's not about that. Like, it's such a weird thing that we live in this world of living metaphor Bhagwandas by by von daas, you say his name different than I do. I'm lazy. I say boggled on the proper. No, I don't think it is. I think it's bog on. But I'm lazy. See I won't even might my town doesn't even do setups Bogwang does. And that has nothing to do with Boston. I know I'm just lazy by boggle on dot says life is a metaphor. And I think there's something interesting like your story, the feeling of like your body or container being a metaphor for your inner world is interesting. And that's why your story of being winded going up the stairs. We all know exasperation, whether it's physical or emotional or mental or psychic or whatever it might be. So we love these. So people telling a story about standup who cares? I had people. Oh, come up to me a lot of musicians that related to the show photographers artists academics. That were just like. Yeah. That's what it feels like to pursue a dream whether or not you're resist like rolling a huge tire. Like what you do or getting up on stage in bombing. But you know, like Pete in the first season, I told everybody I was a little bit eerie how well this series wraps up. Yeah. And that's true. If you look at the I if you look at the pilot, I episode of the first season Pete goes up on stage in his unable to take his pain and sort of album is it into comedy in real time. Which is exactly what he does in the series. Finale is something happens to him. Now that that's to me is a big spiritual practices like we can all look back on our things and go, you know, now that I've had some perspective in some therapy that bad thing really was the best thing that could have happened to me. But the trick is to do those things in real time. So while you're suffering. Can you be president not later? Can you go like, oh, the universe knew what it was doing? Can you? Say thank you to suffering while it's happening. That's the game. So you see that in the macrocosm of peed suffering, and then going on stage and doing it in real time learning that it's okay? Even in front of John especially in front of John to say, I don't think he was a dick. But it was kind of a dick and to have that rewarded is is a big metaphor. It's like it's a big discovery for him almost. Yes. And the show ends on this very hopeful know that these new doors are opening him. And it makes me wonder what season for would have been. Yeah. Like where do you go from there when it's crashing about? Like, you know, his struggle. I now he's got this new horizon. Well after the show was canceled. I I wear the same pants a lot. I'm not really interested in changing my pants. I don't shit my pants. I change. I change your underwear. You know what I mean? Yeah. The underwear is the is the protective barrier that I've changed, but I don't care about pants, and I don't care about clothes. I look at what there's milk stains and stuff for my babies. And I just don't care. I just don't have one of those minds that really cares about I like dressing up sometimes anyway, that's a digression. So there's something about what was I saying? I lost it. What are we talking about talking about clothes pants? So I was wearing the same pants for months, the pants that I wore for my comedy special journey clean. I was still wearing until about a week ago maybe four days ago. So as I'm changing, these disgusting, I took out of my pocket because there's all these interesting things in my pocket. There's all these stories and I found the the season for outline the breakdown that we had written. And I just saw the first line because it was folded in fourth. So I can see the whole thing. And I wasn't really interested in in. All I knew it. But the first line was gets a really big break. And I was like, well that's interesting because the show is isn't as joked before it's not called flourishing it's called crashing. And is about what it's like to be an open mic, and is about what it's like, the origin story told slower the story of crashing three seasons is usually a montage a five minute montage, and the story of a comedian or Seinfeld or other shows about comics there already successful slurred at down as close to real time without. Being excruciating. So when I looked at Pete gets a really big break, you know. And I'm telling you, it's not just revisionists like I'll just change how I feel. I saw that. And I was like that changes the show bet like once he gets a break now. Instead of you the viewer wondering what might happen to Pete which I really like it keeps the medium hot. It's like active in your imagination. We're just telling you. Oh, he gotta talk show or something like that. Which would have been fun for sure. But it would it might have changed the whole tenor ten balance of it last shifts. Yes. Would he gets the break? That's the line. And I was like are we entourage? Now. He concerned if he can do to movie if he's on the tour like it's not it's fun. So you don't root for him as much right? He we. Yes, we again, it would have been fun to do. But there's something about a show that was just about what's going to happen. Which is the feeling that every comedian can relate to any creative. Ersan going like trying to make a living at what they love can relate to the idea of. Okay. He's in the club. So he can go into the arena now, and he's good enough to sort of old his own, and he's going to grow, and we sort of see always gonna learn this, and this and this like in the finale, he does stand up expressing anger about his girlfriend slowing him down. When he was trying to get on the train. It's very basic angers pretty benign anger. But at least he's showing emotion that he had never shown on stage before he was usually just like what's the deal with ice packs, which is great. But at the end, he's like really sort of you're seeing Tharcisse intimacy rance, and as being more animated and mobile onstage. I think it's exciting for us to go. Hopefully for the fans of the show to talk about it like, what do you think happens? Well, he's probably intrude he'll probably grind it out in that club for ten years before something big happens, which might not be the most interesting for season if we really told as slowly as life happens. I mean, everybody knows it takes ten. Years to sort of become minted as there's a whole nother set of stories that could be mined untold Fisher about what that life is. I mean, the the jet in me and being in that room and our ambition with the show. Of course, we we had a nice season that we wanted to tell an HBO really liked it. That's not why they canceled it. They numbers were good. They were up from season to right. You mean the ratings? Yeah, I believe they were. But it also was an expensive show, you know. And that's all it comes down to the price of the show. And this is the same thing with my talk show. They look at the price. They look at the numbers. And I they vary. Casey boys, the head of programming really like passionately and compassionately explained to me that it was just a financial this is just a phone call that you get. Yeah. But I freaked out really weirded Casey out. I I love Casey I loved working with him. And I think jed told him that I tend to be talked about dealing with things in real time. Can you process things in real time? Can you process suffering in real time? And not forget that. It's just can you be genuinely grateful. Yeah. And can you remember that dance and that there's something really wonderful happening? And there are things out of our control. And can we instead of falling can you kind of incorporate it into your little dance? And he said, I'll you know this sorry to be self serving. But he was like I've made a lot of calls like this. I'll never forget this call he sweet because is three seasons of the show was, you know, wildly embraced your beloved as a result of this. And you've got to share the story with so many of the notable comics all love it became very inclusive for share munity. Well, you know, one of the things of my life. I'm almost I'm turning forty this month. And I'm really kind of getting a better look. Really? Okay. Thank you. What I I don't feel old some people even like that. I'm like that with Casey's phone call, and I'm the same way with forty. I'm like, wow, what a privilege it so exciting to be forty. I always wanted to be forty when I was a kid. I wanted to be always been forty. I've always been forty. I've been dorky dad my whole life. Now, I finally have a kid to be dorky with finally be the person that you've always been filled out the suit, I've always been wearing it. But floppy and stupid on me. And now, I'm filling it out. And there's a great feeling, but I love honesty, and I love solidarity. I love sharing like to me crashing as a show was about. If it sucks, you're doing it. Right. Which is something that I sort of picked up and heard from other comedians when I was handing out flyers. Or when I was bombing. When you hear the stories of like all of your heroes. Bill Burr told me a story leaving a club. And hearing someone saying that red headed guy sucked, and you're like when you're young and walking to your car, and you hear someone from the audience, and they don't know you're there, and that you hear that. Bill Burr fucking greatest, and he got that. So like we like to kind of select all and delete that pain and not not Bill. I'm just saying most of us like the act like we just sort of showed up complete right? But I love telling anybody, that's pursuing any dream that. It's actually the feedback of it being difficult and being painful means you belong to a lineage now you belong to our species. It's almost like an induction. We took you as a young boy into the Seren Getty to hunt, and it was terrible. And you were scared or all these weird rituals that we used to do where you have to go in some terrible cave and its Brazilian diskette. You that mints you and sort of gives you that blood bond to being a comedian, really spend you when you look at someone like Mullany? I mean, he so cocksure that it's hard to imagine him struggling. No, I know looks like he just came out fully baked, and he sort of did there are anomalies, and that's important, and we sort of talked about that with Djibouti. Due bookies in his twenties. And he's fantastic. And so one of the things that people like me that had to develop and grow and earn it and that's ninety nine point nine percent of us. You have to guard yourself and open your heart to people like Mullany that are just he speaks in bits. You're just like, oh, everything you say is funny. And you're not like you not. I don't feel a clenched off camera to. Oh my God. Everytime. John. And I hang out. Here's my impression of me. I go that's a bit. And just tell him. He doesn't need me to tell him. But I mean, everything he says, it's just really funny. And when he was young I remember John had a bad set. I hope he wouldn't mind me saying one time we saw him have a bad set. And I remember bigly said to him. I was like, you know, it's kind of good because it sort of humanizes you right because we're all over here going like what is happening with this person. And what is the secret sauce with Judd? Like, what is he what's the magic that? He brings to a show like yours when he sprinkles his special fairy dust, I'm yeah. It's an interesting thing. He's a wonderful collaborator. And he was involved in everything. And he was very good at trusting his instincts. I think one of the reasons why it can be difficult. I have a friend. My friend Duncan trussell is starting to show. And he was like, I I don't get it man, people show me to to ideas, and they're both good. And they asked me to pick one. And I'm like what I learned from watching Judd, and he would say this. If he were here is you just learn to kind of trust, your gut Judd would go it's this, and it's like, but couldn't we have talked for twenty minutes about how it could have been that are two hours or two days about how could have been the other. And he's sort of learned how to listen to his small still voice, and he would buck in hate that I made it a Quaker thing I'm saying he's learned to trust his instincts. And that's why so many of his projects have the same flavor. And you know, what else he does? Sometimes he knows to go against his instincts. He knows every fifteenth making that up, but every fifteenth time to the opposite. Do the George Costanza and do. The opposite of what you think. So he knows even keep himself on his heels. I could talk much more about that. If you'd like I mean, it's hard to sort of put what he does in a in a nutshell is there an example where you had a strong inclination like the scene should play like this or this ark. Should look like this. And he's like no it needs to be hot selling this. And that's really good for me. Yeah. I'm an idea person. I would write scripts and Judd would you know, sometimes have like a fit of mania and write a script and to show it to them. And it'd be like that seems like a season three idea season one. He's like seems like a season three eighty and I'm good with that. I just go. Okay. Right. I don't I don't fight. I don't debate. So it works. It was a good relationship. Like, I especially when you respect somebody body of work so much. It's very it's a privilege to go. It's a no, okay. Move on instead of go. Can get real upset about it. But there's a good example in the third season where my character. I wrote it sort of sappy I can be a little bit romantic and sometimes jed would steer me a little bit away from the sappy melodrama stuff and Peden alley obviously is this like sort of will they get back together thing in the first episode of the third season. I have it written that pizza at the seller, and he bombed or he doesn't balmy it as well. But he doesn't get in. And that was tricky to do we could talk about that. But the the sort of silver lining is that Allie came to me it's this like sign that she came. So he's opposed to come out. And he's upset, but then he realizes that. Allie was there to watch. And there's the sort of like loaded message underneath that. Maybe she's still at least likes him as a person or loves him as a friend. And I had it written very sweet like, you know, the violence. Well, at least this girl that I'm still secretly having feelings for is here and jed was there that day, and he was like we did shoot at this. Sweet way. And then he was like, you should do it where you just have a fight. And you get mad because you're taking the frustration of your failure out on her because that's sometimes what people do with people that that's more human. And that's what does. So that's what that's what I would say. Even though he had read the script. Even though is at the table read, even though you read the rewrite and he approved it, and he was involved on the day. Go get in a fight just gonna fight. Yeah. And I didn't even like doing because even as an actor. I like getting along with me. And now, I'm going like fucking. Thanks. Thanks, and that's not easy for me to do. And it was so much better. And he would do that a million times every season. He would he would go. I know everybody's saying. And sometimes he was the only one he was like the one juror. That was like, I think they're innocent. And would make them go. Another one was what always played in that around. Yeah. But what would happen was? I was very good at going. Some of my friends would be like shouldn't you fight more? And I was like I understand jet night. Last night were joking that there was another version of my last set at the cellar where I get very raw bell with it. And I talk about how we're, you know, floating on a planet and how we're also alone. We don't know what's going on. And it was funny. But it was mostly like transcendent, right? And it was great with the background actors. We all felt that it was very like dipped in set like very emotional set. And we all thought that that was like the right way to and then and then judge was like, no should just be funny. And it's almost too much to evolve. That's what he's this season. He can't do that. If he does that he has nowhere to go. This his first moment like just channel few jokes. So he would help me stop me from being too precious. He's like, yeah. It's really great. And he means he's I it's really great that you can go up and make people think deep thoughts and and get everybody in the moment. Which is really what I think I did in that sad. But he'd homes now, exactly exactly. That's not keeping with the to give you an idea. I joked with him last night. He was like because we watched that. And I was like it is better. What you said was better. And he was like say he fought me. And I said and by fight you you mean, I brought it up politely twice, and that's happy laughed because that's I don't think that's one of the reasons why he and I worked well together is I don't know if it's has something to do with my psychology. And how I was with my parents. I think it probably does. But I was very okay with going like, you know, he told me on a Friday like we're going to cut this even though I really loved it. And I sort of kept my mouth shut and then over the weekend. I just unpacked it and on Monday. I was just like fine with it. Even though all the editors knew I loved it and stuff they knew I must have been disappointed, but it's great to have somebody with that heavy crown or that shiny crown to kind of yield to. Well, let's talk about your parents over. I'm getting into your book. In fact, this just came in the mail like an hour delivered it like an hour. I really don't know. It was the wrong. Really? So that's gassed arrived today. But you sent me the PDF I wonder which gasoline eating it. Oh, yeah. I sent you the pedia. I had a moment talk about dealing with suffering in real time. I had to practice what I write about in this book because they sent me the wrong galley. It was it was like the second drafters, and I was really tobacco out. I was afraid that it had. But I think we caught it before it did it looks like this is not that version, but there were like chapter titles. That were I'm sure I don't know if you do this when you write books, I would write a phrase it was fool king. It's one word, and it's not a word it meant. I had to go back to that part. Like, I'd write fool king. Just so I could do a fine to yourself and I do. Yeah. Search for that phrase. And then I go right after fix fixes and the book included some fool kings. In fact, one of the chapters was called fool king. The chapter about meeting about Ramdas meeting Maharaj he was called fool king. And I was like. Guys. Again, I sorted. Did. What I did. I said devali I'm very upset. And then I went in the bedroom. Because sometimes I don't know. I'm a little overwhelmed with that emotion. And I did what I did what I write about in this book. And I tried to say, yes, thank you to suffering in real time. Not later and go, okay. I get it. The universe is sort of nudging me away from being so precious and important and my book like the baby pick me up like in the I in real time. Even though I didn't intellectually believe this. I said, yes, thank you to the suffering. And when you give it that space. It really does have nowhere to cling to and it dissipates. And then my wonderful editor, Luke, Luke Dempsey said we'll change it. I didn't even ask him to change him. It's an amazing thing when you do have the capacity to let go and real time. Like that is that fun. Actually, it's a it's a short circuit to the solution that you seek and it's in the struggle on the fighting at that actually delays, right? The result that you're giving yourselfer MU g the great. Saint talks about like when you have a thought the only thing that can give that thought power or validity as you. It's just for you. So here it is. It's just this firing of your brain. But your awareness in your consciousness can can give it value or not. So I'm having all these valid rational real objections to the second draft, and it's legitimate. You just spent three years writing this book, but you have to you have to just go. It's a rational. It's how I love my wife our wedding bells. I said, I've outta love you irrationally. Uh-huh. I don't want rational love get the fuck out of my face with that fucking seven eleven by the registered bullshit conditional love that. I can get from anybody being special in shiny suck. My dick. I want that irrational stuff. I want that trans rational stuff the real stuff. Yeah. The stuff that's holding your molecules together. That's a love even when you're being shitty. It's still keeping you rich fucking. Hey, I also I mean, yeah, it's pretty exciting. One of the things you talk about in the book, I'm like seventy ages into it. So I just started. That's fine. I've done on us on less. I've done is in blown them away with how much understood their book. And I only read the first chapter, but they're like blown away. Because if I recently, I can remember almost everything and I'm like, oh, it's like this. And I'm like the worst is when somebody tries to play themselves off as having read it thinking, they're going to get away with it author because that's so clear to the person who wrote it, of course, of course, that happens on talk shows, you just have to because you know, they're doing a show every day fairness. Yeah. Yeah. Like, they can't possibly when I had a talk show. They used to give you a book, and it would be highlighted with little post, its and stuff. So you could just raise or you could act smart. Yeah. Reader's Digest, right? But back to your mom and your dad. Yeah. So what's interesting is that your dad was kind of the regaling funny, man. Yeah. And it would be easy to say. Well, this is who you got your comedic inspiration from. But it was really the alchemy with your mom and her sensibility. I think you get more of it from your mom, even though she wasn't a comedian or funny person. She's very honest. Yeah. That honesty that willingness to be honest, right? That is the defining. Mark of a good comedian. Yeah. I agree. I what I got from. My dad was my. Dad goes in a room almost like a salesman or a politician and changes the temperature of the room. Not in a in a show again outta here way. You just notice he's a big planet, and he becomes the center of gravity in a way that you sort of enjoy it almost in the way that it's like, hey, follow me. You know what I mean? And you like it. So I would watch him. And I don't mean in high stake situations necessarily, I wasn't there for those because I was a kid. But if he went into a bakery. Suddenly it just became the neighborhood bakery. He would just sort of the mayor of Somerville where he worked most of the time and had go in and I would just watch how it wasn't impolite to sort of change the frequency of a room. It was actually welcomed people. It's like a party. You know what I mean? When when there's one person at a party that makes it a party. Yeah. And someone now I've thrown parties, and whatever, you know, how badly you want something like this is a party. We're having fun. And I learned that from my dad and Valerie, my wife has pointed out that I have that quality too. Actually when I'm pitching something. Or when I'm doing standup, I can sort of rally us into one thing instead of three hundred individuals and a comedian. We'd just become a show, and that's a quality that I learned from my dad. My dad does tell a lot of jokes. And it made me think that jokes are important. My mother would always put the funny pages out for us like because we liked it. But she read them too. So like jokes were like important and joking around was important. But my mother was just still is the sort of person that will point out that my my friend that she hasn't seen in twenty years is hair is receding or whatever you're just like, I don't have as much hair or whatever. And you're like. Wow. And like what's funnier? I know let's joke or the or the the just little stab of honesty that comes in an unexpected way. Somebody that's not playing by the rules. It's kramer. It's Kramer on Seinfeld. Is just and you need a grain run Seinfeld to tell the story you need someone that like Kramer goes you just need to nose job. Remember that moment. That's my mom. And I I did learn that and also. So there she was religious, obviously is religious. But she also like gets a like almost offended or bewildered. If someone doesn't understand that. She's joking. That's why I said lighten up was a mantra. And so was can't take a joke. Like, they just don't get it. Right. It's almost like a dysfunction. She doesn't understand why you would be upset that she saying something but issue where that she's being funny. I think so. Yeah, I think it comes from the the place of the painting, and the, you know, wanting to feel and not a bad way. But the feeling of like, I don't wanna keep that in here. I want you to reflect me back to me, which a lot of artists have that. It's like I want to say what I'm thinking. And see what you think, and then I'll know myself, and you a little bit better. So I think she had that and has that she's a little bit like an artist. And right. The mantra that I think you adopt. And you point this out in the book is this idea of like what is this like what what is going? In on like, the sense at a very young age where you're walking around and everyone's living their lives, and you have this like undeniable sensibility of on wonder about the world, and what is actually happening on this crazy spinning blue thing. We're out in space, and you know, the sky is up, but it's also sideways also below all of that. And this confused why no one wants to talk about that. Yeah. Right. And that ultimately seems to be, you know, in addition to your mother's, impetus like what leads you into the church, and where you find a home for, you know, debating and talking about these things and also then informs your comedy. Yes. I still wonder why we're talking about you know, bullshit. I get it. Sometimes it's exhausting to talk about what is this. But just in the way that you don't seem to mind like swimming with a weight belt on like, I don't do that. It'd be like I don't tire as easily just kind of wondering even right now as we're speaking like what is what is going on here? I like it it it kind of excites me, there's an exhausting way to do it where you're really thinking about it. We really going like, let's really conceptualize what's going on. And then there's a way that's almost like thought less where you're just sort of yielding to a mystery that we're a part of. And that's not as tiring it's hiring to go. Like, look the dust looks like the solar system. That's almost like writing poetry and your brain. And that will get tiring. But there's like a almost like a quietness where you're going like like a dream. I'm lucid dreamer. And whenever I have a lucid dream. I'm like, it looks just like reality. That's like fucking crazy. And you can you can bring that wonder into your waking life as well. There was more about dreams in the book. But my editor rightly was like, no one cares about dreams. So it's like, you're right care. There's some well because you're interested. But the what is this was was my thing as a kid, and it manifested in being very interested in UFO's, and Bigfoot and ESP and all these different immediately popular, very unpopular and comedy comedy is also like, you know, comedy is like playing operation we're trying to figure out where the boundaries of socialness not an ally. And then that what is this kind of got funneled into the church. And what I liked about the church was we didn't really debate as much. But at least they said God, which I liked I enjoyed that. They had an answer that was a different from. I don't know your fucking tacos, you know. Who cares? We gotta get to school. It was nice that they were saying God. Because God was something. I make a comparison in the book where I was leaving a superhero movie. And I heard a kid say to his dad dad, how do they make that? Man fly and the dad without really thinking about it just went computers. And I was like this very funny because computers really just means. I don't know you say, I don't know. And in the same way. God might mean. I don't know. But at least it was something at least it gave us a symbol. And something to explore and unpack if you're feeling curious computers or God, it gave gave me a foothold into the mystery. And then when I came into the church, this is the sex part. I sort of also received a lot of information that wasn't welcome. Yeah. I mean that was the cracks in the firmament from the gecko. Yeah. Right. My sexuality, and I'm I'm a straight person. So what I'm saying is it wasn't like, I guess I don't want to call it normal. But I mean like straight white guy, you'd think that'd be pretty normal. But in the church, you almost feel like you have to come out as straight. You're like I like vagina is like a dirty. It's also bad like everything's all back. It's all anything about it as bad. So you get this. Shame that people might not understand like, right? Here. We got we this. Yeah. So you're having I'm holding up Nadia's Nadia both whoever's new book shameless. She's going up on the podcast tonight. She's amazing. She's doing your podcast tomorrow. Yeah. So her whole this new book that she just came out with is all about that. I know when I was reading through your youth and high school, and what you experienced a mean, you're the white male version of what she talks about in here. But imagine you're you're trans or you're gay. And and just what that shame and that guilt, you know, rise must feel like for those people. But that's why even as a straight white male. I relate an empathize. And my art opens to people who for example, trans because we're all taking the information, the emotional, and psychological and the personal information inside, and we wanna be acknowledged and seen for what we really are. And even if you are just a straight white man, there's still some of that uncovering and self love that needs to happen and go like, it's okay. That I want to jerk off three times a day or whatever it was. I mean, I really thought I was I read about thinking Jesus was gonna come back while I was trying to come right? And it was it was very that's that's almost it's almost like child abuse. It kind of is. Yeah. What I'd like to in the book is your your mom's honesty shining through when you're they're trying to you're asking these questions that everyone's too afraid to ask like is it, okay? For me to masturbate. Can I do this in? Everyone's like freaking out Heidenreich raising the issue. That's right in church. They would just say the closest we would get as saying lust need just be like lest less. Let's talk about less, but we never really talked about last. I was like, that's that's a big. That's a big part of my psychology as blessed and Mike, you know, for whatever reason we were just too polite or whatever to talk about it directly, and I really needed help. And when you're sort of left to your own devices with versus like, if you look at a woman, less lessen your heart you've committed adultery, which Jesus says. And then I asked my youth pastor of masturbation, if I had masturbated was I still virgin, and he said technically, and I was like, well, I'm technically going to heaven like, I'm technically, okay. Like one of the big things in the book was I wasn't tempted to lie or cheat or steal or hurt people or murder anybody, but I have like, undeniable throbbing, biological urges. And a fresh batch of them every morning, and that is where you sort of. Get an unhealthy bond between God and sacks. And an unnatural feeling that that was exactly how you were loved or unloved or heaven or hell or accepted or unaccepted and the journey of the book is is among other things learning to accept that part of myself and everybody myself, but you stayed in it for quite a long time. I mean, it leads you into a marriage. You know, got a big part of your story. Yep. With what happened there, and it took a long time for you to kind of reconcile all of this. It did. I mean, you haven't gotten to it. But I mean, eventually, I push it down a number of ways. One of them was just Oscar Wilde says the only way to get rid of temptation is to yield to it. And I had a huge portion of the book I become an atheist in the book. And then I I just sort of enjoy that time. Of still engaging with my what is this? But without a symbol system or a metaphor or story. So I was still a decent person. But I was like, I'm I'm done beating myself up about sex or being horny or this or whatever it might be. I had some random sex that was very healing for me. And I thought I had sort of gotten it all out, and then at the end when I go and sit with Ramda's and a personal retreat, which is sort of how the book, and I realized that like all that stuff was still in there there needed to be a more. Radical acceptance. You can compartmentalize the shame and the guilt. Exactly I and and I had sort of given the werewolf pork jock. Basically just like here you go. But really what the where we'll wanted was love it a rational love is what we're saying not going like your Vero in your young man, and it's part of life. It's the ABC everybody. Does it? That's not good enough. It needs to be shut up. I love you period. That's it. And not I'm thinking about loving you. I mean like. An energy like a heart energy that I'm sure you've dipped into and dip into every day. There's a spacious miss that we can feel and participate. I call that spacious God, I call that flow and that energy in that space. God it's a beautiful thing to play with. But you had to go on that journey to arrive at that place where you could sit at the feet of rom dos and have him deliver that message to you. And you could accept that. That's right. You know, it's all in the game. And it's it's sort of like these are different versions of crashing, right? That's right crash in your life. That's areas ways. We wanted to earn some g yourself slow down. And it's all in the game. And I used to think losing your faith was the worst thing you can do. And there's Jesus saying you have to lose your faith. You lose your life to find. Right. And I would say you have to lose your faith to find the cracks Leonard Cohen says that's where the light comes through. I used to think God was asleep at the wheel when my wife left me. And now now you look back and you're like, oh for fucks sake. It was all it was all the day off for you. It was all for me who was going to be for even even my dad though. That's not a failure. You know what I'm saying? It's not just about prosperity gospel. It's not and then I got a TV show. I'm talking about something way more important, which is an inner transformation and an enlightening feeling. You know, what I mean place our society, our culture is so organized around this principle of like, creating this happy drama free life of success and prosperity and ease treasury. Yeah. But the truth is, the grit and the beauty is found in that struggle. And I to the extent that you know, I don't I don't I don't wish ill will on anybody. But you know, anybody who's gone through their version of, you know, they're they're kind of crashing whether it's spiritual or physical or emotional. There are lessons to be my guide. And that is the stuff of life Ramdas says in his Netflix documentary, which if people don't know around us, it's a great place to start. It's called going home. I believe and he says, I don't wish you the stroke had a stroke nineties. He goes, I don't wish you the stroke. I wish you the grace from the stroke. And also, it's important to know when people are suffering. It's not helpful for you to go in and go this is grace, but it's been very helpful for me to update my understanding of the divine that's inclusive of everything, otherwise, we're just my therapists would say there's a big pile of shit in the room and order spring for breeze on it. You know, what I mean, you need to find I needed to discover on my own and through personal experience a model of the universe. And of the mystery. We don't have to call it. God just what's happening. What is this that includes suffering, and I didn't have that we had we I remember my pastor my suffering. You're doing it wrong. Exactly. And if you're suffering. We're just going to someone dies. We just go while they're in heaven. But we were just praying. Our is out that they would be healed. And then they died. So I guess got drunk that morning. You know what I mean? No what what are you doing? It's like Buddhism. It's like you're already dead the cups already broken. Like, what are you going to do? How are you going to like Ryan holiday would say the stoicism of it? It's like you can't change the game that we're a part of you can change how you respond to it. And how you interpret it and how you interact with it from inside. So what led you to Ramdas? How did you? Find yourself drags him out. A lot of psychedelics not a lot. I've only I've done second under ten times probably in. But they talked about it before though. They've I mean, they're very important. I mean, you can only get hit by a car once it's going to be a low number, but a high impact on your life. And I I didn't know that when I took mushrooms for the first time. So basically, the bullet points would be my wife left me. I grew up in the church. I got very into it. I thought I was going to be a youth. Pastor I went to Christian college. I'll list up and becoming a comedian. Anyway, the book opens with a joke. My mom's had close enough. I was going to be a practitioner became a comedian. She said close enough, and then very funny about it. I think it's the first thing in the books. I joke in the book while the first job of the book is some of the names have been changed. My ex wife, which I was proud of. But then I lose my head because my wife leaves me, and I felt like I had been paying protection money to God. I think a lot of people feel this way like the mafia and yet still someone had thrown for the fifth time a brick through my bakery window. I'm like, what am I paying this guy for you know, what I mean, I I'm Jean shepherd me sheep's don't have their wife sheep, get fucked by wolf like you fucked up. That's how I felt. So he broke his he didn't hold up his end of the bargain in my sort of third grade. Second grade kindergarten understanding of God. So it was like forget it. You know, I I also think I was having doubts that you know, sort of I was allowed to feel after my wife left me, I was sort of allowed to let them I used to think thinking doubts was a sin. So I would push those away as well. But then when I had lost what felt like everything I was sort of free to to look at those doubts and those feelings for the first time without the fear of the idea of being look, I was a good soldier. I did all these things. I went. The extra mile to adhere to all the insanity and repaid in this way. It's right. I brought non alcoholic beverages. Departy? I work khakis. I played the bass in the worship team. I like when you're trying to recruit people in your high school. I mean is there anything worse? You barely have your feet on the ground of what you think is Elvis, and then you're supposed to go out and sell it. It was one of the most unpleasant thing you're all like sixteen. But that was one of the things is when my wife left I had to take a real hard. Look at like, do you really believe that like the example using in my book is my brother is going to hell he didn't believe like I did. So you do really believe that like really really think about it. And I was like, well, my behavior is maybe more honest than my thoughts and my behavior. I was very clear I wasn't really actively grabbing him going you fool. There's a train coming. Right. And you're on the tracks you idiot. I wasn't doing that. I was having tacos with them tacos again. But so then I lose it. And. Then I'm out in the wild. And I start kind of feeling growing up a little bit. And all these kind of interesting things, and then I took mushrooms with my girlfriend at bonnaroo. And we just thought it was like something fun to do. I wasn't a big drug person. I'm not a big drug person. I hadn't done a lot of drugs. I'd probably smoked pot. Like, I don't know fifteen times in my life at that point. And then we bought some mushrooms from Rhody, and we went on the ferris wheel. And I at the time I would not have said that I experienced the divine. What I did experience was something that was completely beyond language. So what we're saying? It was trans rational. It didn't make any sense. It wasn't something. I thought it was something that I became and this. This sounds like if you read other people writing about mystical experiences, that's what they say. You can think I made of the same molecules as this table in his you and yet here are two consciousnesses talking to each other. It's fucking trippy. But to become that that will lay you on your back. Back and it did. And I laid there now the gape staring at the clouds and receiving like direct real even after I had come down. Real transmission from the universe grabbing me and saying we're so glad you're finally fucking here. So you can put down your brief gazes filled with your precious little beliefs, and you're in I'm in I'm a Christian. I'm in get all that shit outta here. Lay the fuck down on some grass and stare up towards Infinity, you idiot, which is always there, you idiot. And really like listen to me for a second. Stop praying by thinking God help me find parking God help me beat that flu that's going around and listen shut up for a second. So turn your brain offers, and that just plays directly into your main thing, which is what is exactly, you know. And I was finally getting a taste, and it was through something. It wasn't from as Richard. Roy would say wasn't from doing it. Right. Abstaining from drugs from doing it wrong. What a beautiful paradox guy. God hides himself in pain and strange, wayward afternoons and Tennessee that's fucking gorgeous. That's amazing. So I did mushrooms. And then I realized that there was some there was some things that we can't really talk about right there things that are beyond language. Terence? Mckenna says there are things that are that. We can't talk about. Oh, how does he say? There are things that are beyond language. They're just so damn hard to talk about this. Basically what he says? So I experienced that. I realized that that is a reality. And that is a reality that there are almost like magical things like magic is real. And like wonder is real. And it's not just some cute feeling. We sometimes get at the end of a Pixar movie. Like, it's a fucking real thing. That's happening and more importantly, whether it's impossible to put into words. And then I started my heart. I didn't know had opened up to the potential that the writers of things like the bible were also trying to use myth and metaphor. Because as Richard door says metaphor is the only language we have to talk about God that doesn't mean. It's not true. It means it so big and vast and mysterious. How else are you going to talk about it sorry to be so aggressive, but like you're going to talk about it directly? You're gonna talk about it like the contents of your refrigerator, you're going to add it to your Amazon wishlist, the mystery of everything you can't talk about it directly. You can talk about it through music sex drugs, poetry, and metaphor. So then I made Joseph Campbell. And because I started doing my podcast, and this guy named Matt ruby was like because I started sharing my story and the more that I shared the more. I was getting feedback. You could say from the universe. I'll just say from my friend, Matt ruby he emails, and he's like, I think it really like Joseph Campbell. And then I start reading the bible as a as a myth overlaid over history. Who cares so boring? Flutes drew, okay. Get outta here. You're just okay in here ice cream is this. What brings you to rob bell of inches? What's interesting is is you know, there are other people with similar versions of of your story. Leads to them abandoning their past and their relationship with Christianity altogether. And they may find themselves at the feet of rom dos. But then it's a whole exploration of mysticism that never leaves them back to. Kind of reclaiming a different relationship with that text that started. Yeah, you I find that deeply and admittedly, psychologically, very beneficial. If it's all one, it's all one, right? But I just happen to have ties to Jesus Christ. Jesus story. The Jesus I come from the Jesus. But I like that. So there was a there was a period. There was much more about Robin. The first draft of the book, it was just getting too crazy. I can't summarize love winds and Richard Rohr Andromeda. And that's what the first that's another book. It isn't it? I mean, you could you could write a whole book on that. I absolutely a great book it'd be like Tuesday's Maury because I used to go and serve with rob every weekend. And I I wish I had been journaling that time honestly, I just didn't realize how exceptional and wonderful. It was I could tell but I wasn't thinking like how could I share this with people yet? But I would do it kind of in real time on the podcast. But that so once I opened up the idea that Jesus's death and resurrection, for example is a metaphor for your death your ego, death, and you resurrecting to the dynamic source of all being. So you need to wake up to to Christ consciousness. Basically, suddenly, it wasn't about worshipping someone else's story. I read about in the book like Jesus was your. You're on a football team with Jesus. And he does this incredible return after a punt or whatever, I don't know. So he catches the ball. And he runs it back to like his own yard line. But then he gets tackled and the ball splits out and falls in your arms and instead of like running with the ball. You put the ball answer. You can. Jesus Jesus and Jesus going. Go. The story isn't about me. It's about you and worshiping someone else's story isn't gonna do ship for you like we need you to do. It. You die you die. You know what I'm saying? I get all passionate about this. Now what what is? Twin thing like I believe this. So I'm in a club is way different from going. Oh, I saw what he did. I'll do it too. I can't literally raise from the dead. And I can't literally heal the blind. And I can't literally turn water into wine, but I can metaphorically, and I and I have and I do and you do too. Yeah. And that's what we're supposed to be doing the distinction between the institution of religion. And Christ consciousness is a crevasse. That's so vast, you know, and it's I just look at it as if. Just introducing human beings into an organizing principle around this, you know, exceptional human being or the ideas that he represents immediately corrupts it fast forward to young Pete Holmes. You know, being told all these things about his sexuality that I feel terrible about. So that's I think Duncan told me this. But I think round us. It's just a joke doesn't belong to anybody. I guess, but the guy God and the devil. Why is it that devil, but just God God in the devil? That's a bit. Yeah. The devil. Will he has more of an ego? So it was like it's like, I probably would just go. Find trials is just like Facebook. Which is the devil. I'm just getting could me listen, they're walking down the street. I don't know why. And they see God sees on the ground a little piece of truth, and he picks it up, and he's like, wow this truth. And the devils has give it to me. I'll organize it which is what we're dealing with. I think the enormity of these things, and my heart goes out to these people because I I was one of them and can completely understand. But our ego wants to wear the jersey and be in the club and think that we're right, and it's all nationalism and clan thinking, and and personal salvation and fuck everybody else like kind of quietly kind of feeling that way. And I don't think Jesus came to start a religion. I don't think that's even controversial this. I rob would say Jesus would be appalled that there's a religion because he went around going. It's right here. You know? It's right here. There's a lot more of that stuff in the gospel of Thomas and stuff, which isn't in the canon. But there's certainly a lot of it in the gospel of John what's interesting about Nadia. And you'll find this out when you when you talk to her is she shares so much of that same perspective. And yet she's also very much a traditionalist like she remains within the institution as a pastor in the Lutheran church, right and reconciling those two things like these progressive ideas about what these stories mean how we interpret them and incorporate their wisdom into our lives versus the institution itself, and she's found a way to coexist within that that's interesting that that's definitely one of my questions for her. And for Richard Rohr who is going to do about cast again. It's like some people beautifully remain in the tradition. My thing is around us saying, and it's in the book is he says, you don't wanna be Christian. You wanna be free, and you don't wanna be Jewish. You wanna be free and as long as. You know, what you want is consciousness without an object. You wanna know separation between you and God. So I I read the story in the book about how I used to go to museums wrong because I'd go I'd look at a painting to think about it. I'd go this is fewer colors than other paintings. I've seen this is more color as this is bigger than others. I've seen do that. I could do that as definitely one of them or these are the good ones because I looked down. I see it's Costco, or I go. This is a good one. I think it's Monet. But it's mayonnaise. And I'm like, it's not going. It's it's bullshit. It's head stuff. So like, I don't want that I want to completely merge beyond subject and object where got an I are just coexisting seamlessly in a in an unspeakable way. So how do you get to that place? I I mean, we talk. I definitely talk about that in the book one of them is through practice, and I don't just mean meditating and yoga or whatever it might be. I think it can come one of the big things for me as contemplation talking about it. Remembering to remember is a big one because. It's a little bit more effortless than sometimes we make it sound thing. A lot of people get turned off when I say, well, you need to meditate twice a day every day or whatever. And they're just like I can't. And then they don't, but we all occasionally slip into these states. I know I'm not just saying this because it's you extreme physical activity or just swimming in the ocean or having sex, these these are little glimpses or near death experience. I think it's about removing the barriers that we've all constructed in our own minds and our own consciousnesses. Like, if you as a comedian as an artist, you know, full, well that, you know, the the value of the script that you write for crashing is not going to be is not going to directly correlate to like how hard you work on it. Right. You if you grind on it. And you pull all nighters doesn't necessarily mean. It's going to be good. It might be and probably will be better. If you can just get into a space of stillness where you can kind of channel. What's? Already inside of you. That's right. And in an effortless way. That's right. And it might not feel like you did anything. But then the truth will be there. And that might be the thing that elevates. That's right. So it's it's about like stripping away losing something. Right. Not gaining the right belief, but losing something. And I, you know, I say this in the book too. I I think that the devil can be a metaphor for your brain or your ego because we call the devil Aligarh and thief, and I think it's my brain. And my thoughts that are often thieving me and lying to me. And it's the same thing when I'm in the museum thinking about a painting. It's not the same as merging with the painting. So I say don't consume a flower be consumed by and there's methods in the book that I talk about and they're very simple, and I don't mind spilling them. But it's a lot of times. It's about giving your brain something to do. One of the chapters is is just called. Yes. Thank you. That's very valuable to me. I think it's worth. I don't know if the books like twenty five bucks, I think that's worth that. An I here here it is for free. It'll be cheaper on Amazon. Yeah. Exactly. It'll be cheaper in the bargain bin. We. Yes, thank you. As a very very powerful. Mantra doesn't have to be in sanskrit. It doesn't have to be. We were something that might not feel natural to you. Yes. Thank you is super super valuable, and we talked about earlier with suffering. You say, yes, I think you to that. Well, there's all these paths towards that. There are you can use the traditions of the Jesus story, and it's answer. Larry stories, you can find it in the wisdom of Ramdas, and you can find it's it's analogous to a lot of the stoic philosophy to there are many paths towards that simply truth. Well, there's no there's no greater joy. And I'm not just saying this. Then when I find truth hiding in different people's styles. You know what? I mean, if I read something I'm reading Richard rose new book, which is called the the attornal Christ. And I'm also reading Alan watts book called this as at and it's the same book. You know what I mean? And I mean that in the great way, obviously, they're using different symbols. But they're talking about the same things and that really lights me up. And then when Ryan comes on and talks about. Stoicism which I didn't even really know much about. Oh, they were saying the same thing that the Buddhists were saying, but like the Buddha did that he held up a flower. That was his great sermon is you're just, you know, at Car Toys crystals are enlightened rocks and flowers or enlightened beings because they're like beautiful for no reason. They've just sort of figured out like, well, it might as well do this. It's like a beautiful flower. And that is a much more powerful sermon than me trying to get you to think and absorb the same symbols and stuff. So the Chrysler he still works for me. Meditation is wonderful psychedelics are still occasionally, very helpful to me. But I one of the things that I really enjoy a lot is using the mind to beat the mind. There's a type of yoga the if I was really smart. I would remember the name of the type of yoga that is. But your brain is a certain power yoga Neutra, yoga newsra is that you know, maybe I make it up. It doesn't sound. But I like contemplation I like reading things and stopping and looking out the window or staring at a tree. And that's where everything fits. So if somebody was to say to you, you know, Pete, how do you define your faith? How do you canonize it? How do you? How do you articulate your perspective on these things? I'm a Christ leaning spiritual seeker person. I still enjoy that. Because for better or worse. Those those things got in there, and we're imprinted on me when I was young. So I get very excited when I can reclaim those stories and bring them with me and not throw the baby out with the bath. But a lot of it. You know, I spent so much of my life thinking how to be more like Jesus would wear those bracelets say what w w j d what would Jesus to we wanted to be like Jesus as Jesus like the point of Jesus was how nice he was and how he got along with everybody. And when people say how can I be more like Christ? I'm like when you know like in in between each of those words, I think you're probably closer than you think you know, when we can stop and turn the volume down. This is a very unpleasing to the ego. When we think it's not about having something it's about letting go of something, but stillness and quiet be still a no that God is right there staring you in the face. It's about getting into your basic awareness. A big thing. The book is about is tapping into Seoul car. Consciousness. It's so hard to be still these days. I know, you know. I know you have to really be intentional about it. You have to go out of your way, you have to create roadblocks and boundaries. Yeah. Otherwise, the phone and the Email and just the digital landscape bills into every time. I'd be like a auto respond like I'm taking a break for me, four months. Then you write me back. Yeah. Like, don't don't tell people. Of we try, but I have to do that, you know. And I and I'm not very good at it. Like, it's become increasingly more and more difficult to turn those things off. Yeah. And allow yourself to be bored. But if you don't create boredom for yourself, then as somebody who's a maker who's making things. Yeah. How do you make you need that fertile soil you need the soil? The be fertile in order to do that you have to carve out that space. I like to think of it like a pond like a Koi pond, and if the waters to rocky you can't even see the fashion the Fisher year ideas, based if the if the pond is deep there's always still water underneath. It's always there. You can go swimming find John back to go down. Dogs. Sorry. I wish I could do. So I could dogs. I yeah. I I know it's something you don't drink anymore. Right. No. I consider myself. You asked me when I did your podcast. Yeah. You got a bunch of questions about alcohol, and then I had heard that you quit drinking. So well, you can listen back to my podcast when I was drinking and anytime, I talked to a sober person. I was just like, you know, so blind. So obviously curious about like, what are you doing? 'cause I didn't realize that I was habitually addicted to it. I like to say I wasn't like a sexy drunk. It was just something that I had lost control over sexy drunk. Meaning like, I don't have whiled stories. I have like kinda sad stories about getting high from doing standup. I get that like good natural high, and then going home and not knowing what to do with that. So I would drink enough vodka to kill one of your dogs in like, and that's not like a wild story. But like you realize I realized one day, I went home, and I poured myself. And I had never. There was no agency involved. It was just something that I do like I dunno taking off your pants before you get in the shower like which is natural. I was like. I was like what I really liked about the way that I stopped drinking was people wanna drink because they have liberty. They're like, no one tells me what to do. And it's a real human need is. No, one tells me I can't have my tie. Right. And then I and I really flipped it. And I was like, no true. Liberty is not letting something that was like sold to you as relaxation and and relief lied to you and come in and steal your liberty. So I sort of flipped at very one for one being like true. Liberty is going. No. You can't. Well, it's starting to have because it's starting to own you then. Yeah. Certainly, you're that's right. And you know, I don't know whether you're an alcoholic or not. But it's it's a self diagnosed thing, right? You know, only, you know, whether it's problematic for you. And it was it was helpful for me. I read a book called this naked mind. And I recommend it on audio book. It's it's almost hypnotic and how repetition repetitious it is. But. I liked that it didn't necessarily for better or worse for me use alcoholic non alcoholic in the club out of the club. Whatever it was just like alcohol is deeply addictive thing. And you also have all this conditioning and talks about advertising, and the way the story was kind of given to you and how it is in our culture. And I maybe my ego like that I don't know that it was like you were you were had that's the summary of that book you've been had and you were able to just put it away. Yeah. I read that book. And by the end, I was done. And I think, but it was also because when you are on I was talking about it. So it's like we interesting because you were curious you're like, so you don't drink ever. Like, why would anything make you like I don't remember exactly what you're asking me? I was very interesting, actually. Actually housing people. I talked to somebody last night. He was like I haven't drank in a month. I feel great. And I'm like, that's fantastic. And he was like, yeah. I'm going start it up again next month. Why right? It's really interesting thing is Joe there's a joke in a that. Like only the alcoholic would want to celebrate like getting their one year chip getting year of sobriety by getting drunk. That's that's really funny or or like, you know, if I wasn't an alcoholic get drunk every day. It's a weird mental. It's interesting, but I saw with food to you know, I had somebody do my podcast newest talking about like he he gave up process fast food, and he was a real addict to that stuff. And then he was like any lost all this weight. And he was basically juicing and all that stuff. It's interesting. Dave stone is his name. And he was like I'm really excited when the when the year is up I'm gonna have my cheap days or whatever. And it was like I understand. But at the same time, it's like you're in this abusive relationship. Why? Are you going to spend one Saturday a week with that person who beats you because human I know, and we can't lose touch with that. So when you talk about how it's hard to be present. I'm like great. You're way more useful to me this way. If you were just sitting up by your beautiful pool and telling me how easy or how present you are. It's not really useful to me. But if I can tell you if you get in the shower, you wanna remember memento Mori Maria, right? This is Maury memento Mori. Remember that you die? That's a real hack into the present. And if you get in the shower, I do this, and it works, you get in the shower, and you say, you can do it both ways you can say, this is my first shower, which is kinda true where you can also say, this might be my lash, our it's a very it's an it's another way that your mind robs from you as you go it's Tuesday, and it's morning, and shower, and you will on Wednesday, and you will own there's anyone maybe not I thought that on the right over I could fucking die on the way over guess what? I'm feeling the steering wheel a little bit more my fingers, and I'm hearing the music a little bit more. Well, I think I think. In my case. There's probably a contingent of people out there that project onto me in. I've heard you do it already in this podcast. Like, oh, rich goes, and does these crazy athletic things? And he's Mr. mindfulness and all of that like, you know, just to be clear like these are things that I struggle mightily with and I think there's power sharing on scores. Not saying like, oh here, I figured it out. And here's what you do in your life will be forever changed. Take advice from me. Right. Like, I never want to be that. God. I don't think of you that. And and you know, what I what I gathered in the first seventy as if your book, which is incredibly, well, read and your great writer. Oh, thankfully, I really well written. Thank you. He's a good. Cover comfortable with the cover. Blair will your editor spell my name. Right. That's why did it wrong. No, no, no. I was making the joke because guy say good, I took it personally. But. But what's very clear is is how often this goes back to stand up. And you know, what being a comedian is all about which is being honest and having that deep willingness to be vulnerable and own yourself on stuff. That's like not comfortable. Yeah. You know what I mean? And I went through that when I wrote my book, I realized like, look, I'm not the most amazing athlete out. You know, why somebody's gonna wanna read this book only to the extent that they can connect with some strain of humanity. As the only way I'm going to be able to do that is if I have that willingness to be on. Well, that's why I'm not a stand up comedian. But you know, I had to I had to I had to come to that place in order to create something that would have any kind of valley. Of course, that's it. That's why this book is almost embarrassingly filled with rows and stories jerking off. I joke that it's called comedy sex God because that's what it was about. But most of the sex. With myself. And then there's just so much shame and embarrassment, and and it's important to note that even after I met Ramdas the first time, and I learned how to meditate, and I learned what soul consciousness was done contemplation. And I learned breathing techniques learned yes, thank you. And all these different things that work. How many times I would fall off? And that this is the sine wave of reality. And that's very valuable. And that's where the energy is is created. I am not loved by those love me because I have the answers I'm love because I don't know why. But I have to guess it has to do with my honest course, everybody could just like pause for a moment. And really think about that. Because I think to the extent that we can all embody that a little bit better. I think the world would be a better place. I say to my dad point blank 'cause my dad has a very classic dad, and he really wants to be a capital D dad to me. And I'm like that I'm forty I'm almost forty. I can't wait to San forty dad. I'm forty stop stop and. My vows my wedding vows. They were like these sort of almost coded messages sorta to my dad from Val and from me, and he said, he really loved them. I don't know if you heard them, but it was about how Val said something like I love how you know real strength is in sharing weakness. And that is so important to me. I love that. I grew up with a mountain of a dad, but now as I'm raising my dude, dude right works on cars. You know is into all that kind of. He loves the Red Sox sports and all that about which is fine. And yeah, and you can be into those things and beat deeply wonderful, and he has but admitting faults so when I sent this book the story when I go to Ramda's is that I get really really really really really Horning while I'm there. It's like, I think it's a really. Well, the conclusion is I thought Horning this was in the way of the teaching the Horning and this was the teaching, and that's what I'm talking about. When it comes to like I needed to reconcile with that I needed to love my fullness. And I don't mean think about loving my fullness as I already said, I mean, just being Montana sky just being spacious irrational love to myself and getting in touch with that part of myself. And then obviously, you know, it went it went away. Now that that was the point. But like, I didn't find myself. I joke in the book. I couldn't look at porn. Rhonda's how's the WI fi? Password was maharaja like I just wasn't come wig. So, but like these things are chasing us, and they all sort of want the same thing the same thing that we're after we can give ourselves, and that's that's a really powerful thing. But the book is there's a sees the second season of crashing. I everything that I wrote about in the book, I already knew right, but I found myself deeply depressed going to different liquor stores to mix it up because a lot of them watch HBO. So I would you know, mix up which layers store like, yeah. That would not be good. So that's the same. Now that I say it it sounds like you're not alcohol doesn't alcoholic story. Yeah. That actually was helpful to me. I was like that sounds like a real a share right that I was aware that how much I would I could drink like a pint of cut that would be like a normal serving for me because I knew that wouldn't give me a hangover. This is real alcohol. Still now that I'm saying so that was after around us. You know, what I'm saying that was after the methods and the meditation and the techniques, but I got sloppy. I say in the book. I had a nice little garden patch. But then I just stopped watering. This is what we do. But it's a practice. That's what you don't go to rom dos. And then your problems are solved. Right. You have some dawning self self-awareness. Right changes everything. And my problem is aren't solved now. But I see it as as a game as as the dance in the play of the universe that I'm participating in. But I do kind of see it from a different perspective. I'm less attached to it. And I defy with it less, which is really helpful one of the more powerful parts of the book. I talk about praying for peace and prayer when I was growing up with thinking, it was just more thoughts. Like, I would say DO Jesus. And that meant start listening to my thoughts which were going never ending anyway. But that just meant like come in God. And then it's Jesus name. Amen. And that meant you can go back to whatever you were doing. But I would just think and I would say and I was anxious kid, and I'm still anxious person like I have sort of general anxiety. But when I was a kid I had a bald spot on the side of my head. I. Digestion problems like the things that we diagnosed very quickly. Now, you have IBS and like back, then I was just like oh p has gross farts. But like, I was deeply deeply deeply anxious. And so whenever my pastor on your head from stress compulsive like, I didn't know wasn't a parking. It was it was on the side. I just went bald on the side of my head something that now twenty nine thousand nine any kid. That's you go to a specialist, right? But in Boston in nineteen eighty six or whatever it was over yourself. Get over yourself. You've forgotten. I can't say the words they would say my parents were loving. But it wasn't as like, hyper aware as we are now. Hopefully, but so whenever my pastor would preach about peace or the Lord being your shepherd, or whatever I would really pay attention, and I had this. It's emotional for me. I remember singing the song called I cast all my cares. I cast I'll make cares upon you lay my burdens down at your feet and anytime, I don't know what to do. I cast my cares upon you. We have the same light. And our nursing me crazy. And I would say it out loud. I would pray. It wouldn't work at opened my eyes. The exile would still be there. So saying out loud alone with stuffed animals way older than I should have been there still have stuffed animals. And it was terrible. It didn't work. I really was trying to let go and to accept peace from God. That was very real to me. So it was a failure. Not only was it now working, and I really needed to. But also wasn't working because of my lack of faith or I didn't mean it enough. I had all these value systems. So so consciousness is more than just a fun thought experiment when you can really go my awareness that's beyond behind and beyond my identity and the thought and the story that I build about who I am my gender where I'm from my age my likes dislikes, if you can identify with the witness to those things, which is what meditation is it's practicing being plain pure awareness. If you can go into that place through breathing or repetition of a Mancha mantra. That's where pieces roundout says. Awareness is peace. That's piece when we say peace be with you peace can only exist for a moment in the ego because it's made of stuff that will not allow for this is a quote in the book awareness piece. So I say in the book is one of my favorite lines. I say when I was a kid I used to ask for peace. Now, I go in and get the motherfucker, and that's really that's not isn't it fun to pretend we're souls because when we go to having we'll get blow jobs from unicorns that shit Ambrosia. Who cares? Fuck that shit. We're here now. And when I still little peep comes in to visit me at night, and I feel generalized anxiety. It is not situation based it is not what am I going to do crashing was cancelled. I'm I'm going to do it doesn't come that way. It just feels like what if they get me? That's what it feels like what if they get me who's they doesn't matter. What if they get me? I write in the book. It's a it's a sensation usually reserved for something point chasing you, but it's just a misfiring and it's happening, and it's real I used to. Go please take this feeling away. Please take this feeling way. And now when I can get into with my big, I you can realize that this is just a story that you're buying into and you can kind of slip behind and fall asleep. That's just practical. So it's a mind fuck though, because you can't you can't try to let go the only way to let go I know to let go and to get beyond your story to become the observer to step into the consciousness that supersedes the Mackin nations of the thinking mind is in the lowering. Yeah. Right. And it contravenes every impulse and instinct that we have to try to corral our resources to get to a certain place using our brains. Right. So the avenue is much more delicate and nuanced and ephemeral like there's. It requires somebody like rom dos in order to explain it to us. It doesn't even after it being explained it doesn't land immediately. See this is why it was back to practice. And and I'm I'm right there with you. And yet, I'm not I love the way I meditate. But it's it's not very regimented. It's not people are like do meditate or regaling not really on attention to exactly what your mantra. And I'm also like in another way, I never saw meditating. But like, however, you want to frame it. But like MU g do, you know who he is? He's worth looking up on YouTube, and I love him because he's he's a realized being and he just talks about like, he makes it sound not as complicated. Like we. We've all heard, and I want to be clear that my book isn't necessarily saying like if you wanna be able to turn off your mind and fall asleep when the generalized anxiety comes meditate for an hour every day a lot of people will just go like, well, I can they're out moody and something that I've learned from people. Well, I came in from Ramdas to are just like well who's saying I'm anxious. Who's hearing you say who's witnessing literally just stop and go. I'm depressed is the part of you. That's noticing the depression depressed. We'll no that's just the impartial a flashlight shining. Right. Well identify with that. And even if you can only do it for a moment try doing that every time you're feeling an unpleasant feeling you're going to get in a lot of reps. Use your language. I'm just I'm sorry. I'm not going to pay. Not trying to be funny. But you know, what I'm saying? Yeah. That's something you practice all the time. So it doesn't have to be sitting crosslegged in orange robes and lighting incense. Just anytime. You're like I'm anxious who's noticing it. That's what I did. My and my stand bed. I was like saying happy birthday and your head. How are you hearing that what is the thing behind the thing? We all go on p. And we think you're the voice IMP. Really? There's a thing that was there between I'm Pete and I'm hungry. It was there. And it's always there, and it's not anxious, and it's also not invested in your cute little story or your TV show getting cancelled. Right. It's just there and that peace, and it's not as hard as it sounds. It's not something you necessarily have to climb a mountain and talk to Yogi get they're just gonna shake you and say you're already there. This is every story the box you're sitting on as you're begging is filled with gold. Saint Francis says what you're looking for is what you're looking with its here. It's here. Not that that what the eyes can see. But that whereby the eyes can see that Brahma bats the universal consciousness. Fucking amazing. And it's rightly the the more adept, you get at developing that the more you realize that you're thinking brain is very good at doing certain rope things they get through the day and allow you to survive, but ultimately, and in my case, I can say like most of the time any my friend. It's right. It's just it's already. Yes. With messages that don't serve me. Bring me down. Yeah. I'm hearing it right now. What is all? I'm I going to ask Pete next hearing it now to look at you. Oh, you have it all figured out tell them how you couldn't sleep last night, or whatever it might be and for somebody who's listening who who is having a hard time, wrapping our heads around this concept a little tweak mental tweak that might. Help you is thinking about the last time you had a dream. And in that dream, you're having a conversation with someone. Let's say you ask them a question, and you're waiting there response. You don't know what they're going to tell you. And then they tell you the answer. And you're surprised. Yeah. That fun. That's how compartmentalized our brains are consciousness you laid out like a yard sale. And you don't it's a secret. So who is coming up with that answer that you're aware of? That's right. That's very good. I the one dream thing that Luke allowed me to keep. Well, you know, he he would let me keep whatever. But the one thing that I was like I wanna keep is about a dream, and it sort of summarizes how I feel about Christ and Buddha and Krishna and everybody is that I still have that dream where I'm an ice school. And there's a test that day. It's a horrible dream. I'm a senior there's a math test, and I have. Going to class. Like, I know all this in the dream. I've memories in the dream, which is kind of during the dockers and a bolo efforts skin. Wrists, bald slapping exactly longer than the trend lasted and I'm terrified, and I kind of scramble and I go around asking people if I can borrow their notes. I really go through everything I'm like cheat. Can I do summer school? It's panic. It's dread. It's horrible. It's a terrible dream. And then because I lose a dream, and occasionally sometimes this happens, even if you're not lucid, you realize the dream you go as beautiful, I just go. I'm almost forty. I'm a comedian. I don't need math. I'm not even in school anymore. This is a dream. There is no test that to me is liberation having that realization while you're in the dream. I'm in the dream. And I realized that there's is a recurring dream. I haven't had it in a while. But yeah, I've I've had it at least twenty five thirty times for sure and it's worth having the panic to real to wake up some. I'm not waking up. But in the dream. I'm becoming. Aware. So I'm waking up in that sense. And I go there is no dream and that there's no test. And that to me is what Christ was doing. That's good news. Good news is not you die. You better. Swear, your allegiance to the right spelling of my name. Are I'm going to fuck with you forever. Stupid bitch. That's not good news. Good news is hey, guess what? No one's going anywhere. No one's doing anything where could anything go? It's all this as I say on my mushroom trip. It's all one thing thinking it self. It's like a fountain undulating, it's working out lawfully and your doubts and your fears and your shame. It's all welcome. And that's all loved irrationally loved. But those dreams are like little gifts to remind you. How far you've come. Yeah. You know, they can be like little gratitude bombs. Yeah. If you just tweak your perspective on them like in in in a there's a thing where. You know lot of people myself included have relapse streams. Oh, wow. Vivid that would meet to you, most vivid where you're like, I'm not going to do it. And then you do it. And then you're like, okay, it's on and then you're like off to the races using drinking, whatever it is many of these and they're terrifying. Because they're so real and visceral, and I've come to now look at them as exactly what you just mentioned like, they're you come you wake up from them. And you have this moment of panic. Like, oh my God. I've just destroyed my life or I blew it. Or I start over again. Didn't actually happen. Beautiful now, and you can they can be terrifying. But they can also remind you of what it was like and of all the work, and the changes that you've made to move away from that regressive. That's right. Little little test. It ran a little test. And then she reminded you where you are. And how far you've come to you with me. What's sometimes do you? Are you still became a when I first became vegan? I used to. I was more precious about it. And I would have more I just ate at McDonalds dreams. And now I liked his I I'm a full of shit vegan or fleet inflexible. Meaning there's some meals that I eat that are vegetarian. But really it's not about an overarching flag that I fly. There's anything wrong with that. It's it's just become more. I don't know how to put it without sounding really full of shit. Let's just say I'm ninety eight percent vegan. Right. Not not a instant. You don't institutionalize it? Well, Ramda's actually had the great thing about those that I it speaks to me was he was vegetarian which back in the seventies. It was as radical writing vegan right now. And so he's a vegetarian. Holy people who've vegetarian they only worse. Sandals made of leather. But there was a special company in India that made them out of cows died of natural causes, blah, blah, blah. So he's very holy about it. But he he caught himself whenever he felt himself feeling superior to other people and feeling as I sometimes do like. That he would go to KFC well, and he would mindfully some disgusting. And this is after they knew how they abuse those animals and biological bullshit. And he would eat at an inside you could sit with the horror of it. And I sometimes will occasionally do something like that. It's usually with pizza. So my cheats are vegetarian, but is the motivation? So that you can right size your ego and not be so pious or is it because some how to craving and you're like couldn't help, but I'm sometimes fullish yet. And sometimes I will say that I have deliberately gone because my wife is not vegan vegetarian Pesca -tarian. And I catch myself just like that sneaky little. Feeling I'm better than you. And then what I'll normally do in that moment is I'll just have a bite of her fed up whatever and just kind of right myself because the toxicity of that feeling other times, though, just to jump ahead. It's because I'm an ape, right? Right. That's interesting. Because I think I think that that is a big problem in the community. Well, I have a big thing about this. Yeah. Go go. No. I mean, I think I think. The vegan community does a pretty good job of eating its own and attack show. Because just like there's always gonna be somebody. Who's more woke? You know? There's always gonna be somebody who's more vegan and trying to hold, you know, each other to some crazy standard, right? And then attacking people for falling short of that is doing nobody any good. Well, yeah. Go ahead. If there's something that I want to embody or that. I enjoy embodying is the idea that we don't have to be so black and white about it. We can be a little bit third way. Which I understand. I can feel some vegan ears burning and being upset, and that's fine. But lot of vegans listening, right? The idea though, that you're in or you're out isn't necessarily helpful in. Introducing let's say introducing somebody to how good it feels teed plans because I got into it for selfish reasons, it gets me high. That's what I tell people. Eating plants gets me high like just makes you feel better feel fucking fantastic. So it was it was it a. So it wasn't a spiritual. Impetus co- come like later on us. I did that later just like every asshole vegan because it made me feel fantastic. And then later, I was because I was no longer eating animals. I was emboldened to watch some of the videos like the KARN. Ism Ted talk that. I was like oh fuck I'm done. I'll never do it again. But I wasn't brave enough to watch those until I stopped. Yeah. Exactly. But the thing that I think vegans can forget is that like or lose touch with is that even though I stopped eating meat when I was I don't know thirty three or something wasn't that meant I meet for thirty three years and as soon as I stopped like smokers. You know that gives you cancer like as soon as they quit evangelizing and Christians parallel let I want to get to like there's a lot of parallels with the institutionalization of religious beliefs. And there's something powerful in when Ramdas tells these stories about being recognized in line and porno the. Hitter. Right. Beautiful Ramdas story. I don't know this story. It's in deep one. It's a deep gut or me telling the story about being horny and his guest house. Those are so much more valuable than just like stories of perfection. So like, we're drawn to these people that still understand that occasionally like you got drunk, Anita shake shack burger, or whatever it might have been. So I now enjoy let's not forget that even though I stopped six seven years ago now that I did for most of my life. Let's not lose touch and compassion for me. It's all us and. At the end up crashing your your pinks. I know right. Well, she's she's eating fried. She actually didn't see you take a bite out of a hotdog heat in the show is not to be. Yeah. He was eating fried chicken at that place in the south. Although I'm not I don't eat it on camera. But anyway, so losing touch with the with the part of us that did eat meat and remaining compassionate to that. And also just inviting people I think one of the things that people don't want us to belong to another club. And to have another thing. So it's like now, you're vegan. And now you're on the record, right? And you better not. But some people want to belong to a club. They're looking for a club to join that's fine. And I believe is book speaks to that egos. That's great doesn't it feel good to be inputted on a flag on started parade. But here's what the other thing. Vegans are right. And that's why they're so annoying. Right. But like what we do with that rightness is on the record and compassion is always important, and recognizing that people have psychological ties and also just unconscious unconsciousness. Meaning they're not thinking about it in the same way that you are sometimes it is just a sandwich with a friend and you coming in in your woke nece aggressive and hot isn't necessarily the most loving or even the most effective thing to do. So I like to demonstrate be a fleet and be a flexible vegan, eat plants as much as you can. And don't fear the reaper of like whoops. I eight Samoa because I bought some girl scout cookies and eight one. All right. Love yourself. You're out of the club. Love yourself. Love yourself that. Yeah. I think that's an enlightened perspective on. I agree. I used to think it was more than I mean, even if your if your agenda is to if you have that evangelizing him impulse, and you really do want to spread this message. It isn't effective. Nobody wants to be told what they should or shouldn't do or especially to feel bad about the decisions that are making and we all live in glass houses and taking other people's inventory is just not a business. I want to be what they put in their mouths, which is very personal and embarrassing. And I don't know we live in a world where there's so much death. There's this great quote where he says. I forget who says it. Forgive me, some genius like Tolstoy. It was goes as long as we have slaughterhouses will battlefields, and I was like, oh, that's right on. So we're living in this unconscious state, right? And that's just true was an Einstein said something similar like you. Can you can judge the morality of a state, by the way, they treat their animals or something like that? But look at the shining, right? The movie the shining where hotel and everything's fine. But the history of the slaughtering of native Americans is like all right heart of that story. It's America in a hotel. And guess what? Sometimes the elevator opens an avalanche tidal wave of blood comes out. We're all dealing with the suppression. And it's fucking tricky. So be careful how you wake people. Right. You know what I mean and be compassionate? And remember how you woke up, and I'm I'm pretty sure it wasn't because somebody came in and made you feel shitty. It might be because somebody was like, hey, eating plants gets you high. I like that gets. That's that's more alluring. I think yes, it's joy. It's abundance. Look at the fuck and shit just growing out of the earth that you can eat the diversity and the color and the way that it makes you feel and what it does by chemically to your body. These are hints that's a metaphor eat living things and feel life. That's beautiful dead things and feel death get out of here. So what are you? What are you struggling with right now? Like what's the mountain? You're trying to climb. What are usually and spiritually like what's the thing? That's coming up for you right now that you're that you're doing battle with you just mean in general not off of veganism. No, no, no, not just in general. I would imagine. And I'm I'm sure I'm projecting please. But, you know, having this show on HBO and suddenly being you know, like you were successful before. But that put you in a different kind of pecking order in your career. And I'm sure you know, if you walk down the street wherever you go people know who you are like does that do that fuck with your ego? Did you have you had to kind of right size yourself in that way? That's interesting. You seem super grounded about the whole thing. Well, that's kind. I I like fame I like my level of fame. It's weird. I don't mind leaning into my psychology, and sort of giving my giant the treats that want. I try not to be too attached to them. But it's fun to play the game. For example, one of the reasons I worked so well the jet I mentioned is because of the psychology I have with my father. So I can see a dysfunction in myself. And instead of ignoring it, I can mobilize. I can go. Oh, you like working with big powerful people count him Judd. You know what? I mean. Go for it. You wanna please daddy this daddy will get you on HBO. That sounds weird. But you know, what I was saying I don't mean to culture daddy that sounded weird. But this father figure or my therapist, I have a male therapist. That's me leaning into my dysfunction going. I like pleasing men. You're a man let me try and get you to love me. And we'll even talk about right? That sounds like a super healthy relationship with your therapist. They're trying to trying to get him to like you. Well, I want him to. Yeah. That's part of it. But we talk about that. And we work with that sentences early that I want him to like me. But I want to impress him with how good at therapy. I am and that makes me good at their bay. And that makes me more honest. And it makes me do the work. You know what I'm saying? So it is unhealthy. But I'm using it Malcolm ising it into being good at therapy. Generally, helps me shed some of that. Boy, I hope my therapist likes me stuff. But he likes me because I'm good at there because I'll come in. And it'll tell. Everything. It's that's that's the most people that would want to get their therapist to like them within just go on and lie. No, tell tell the therapists. They think I'm playing this is advanced. No, I'm going to tell him every fucked up thing ever, and he's gonna go shit one session with pitas twelve with, Dan. And that's that's the real shit. I come to score right here to score. I want to be on the board. And that makes me a good patient. So that's using an unhealthy thing for a healthy thing. But what are we talking about? Just you're dealing with right now. So then like similarly. What type of fame that? I have. I heard Letterman say that it turns the world into a small town. So I'm not J Jilin hall. You know, but if I go to whole foods chances are somebody will listen to the podcast or they'll have watched the show, and they'll just kind of be friendly. You know, what I mean, they'll be like, hey, I like your show like we went to brunch yesterday. And then I was like I really like your show, and I get this almost everyday I grew up evangelical or my wife left me or I'm trying to do comedy. Like, there's millions of these people especially in LA. And we talk, and it's nice. And it's thanks, man. What's your name to me? And I like that. So I struggle with that. And I also don't. It's happened enough that I don't I don't really like I'm a big fancy. Boy. You know what? I mean. It's it just turns the world into a small town. Wouldn't you like to live in a small town? I, but yeah. Yeah. Hey, read, that's what I live. I get this a lot. It's nice. It's like somebody looks at you twice and they smile. Yeah. You know, like okay feed the beast the beast, right? So one of the ways I can keep my. What my job is sort of like dentist by and solidify and mobilize my ego. So on one hand, that's very shallow. Right. That's very like it can be seen as depraved. I'm in the ego business. The other thing is I'm over here. When I added the show, I go is there one where Pete does this like we're talking about him as somebody else? That's that's very elevated. That's an elevated game. I'm like, I don't like the way you start to literally what around us as your extricating yourself from your identity. So I have Pete show up at eight o'clock on a club. And he shows up I said crowd the last time I did send up I was like, which do you want? Do you want me to love everything or do you want me to be critical like what what you want? And what our which game? Are we gonna play that's de personalization in in a healthy way? So when you're working with your ego, and your and your demonstrating and putting it on display so much can actually have in my case, a liberating quality instead of going, and that's me, you know, I I sell out Madison Square Garden. Day when valid iron home. It's and I'm not just saying this to be like, oh, what a what a good thing. It's like it's so ordinary I spent four hours with the baby alone. I read her books. I just read I'll reader Ryan's bug. She's a baby she doesn't know. That's that's the real life. It's it's so much just hang out with Al very boring. Very uneventful. And then we have these like flare ups of what it is that we do. And then how has having a baby changed? How you kind of. It's been the best when we talk about soul consciousness. It's very helpful for me to have something. That is an yet selling me who she is. She doesn't yet have a brain. That's developed in that way. That's thinking in words and insisting I am female. I am white. I'm born in Los Angelino. You know what? I mean. I like yellow rice, not why most people that you meet this is Ramdas thing. Just you know, asking you if they're costume is on straight. Do I seem like a code median do seem like a triathlete? Are we doing it? Right. Or we vegans. Are we? Here. All right now. And we just kind of go around complementing each other's bullshit. Which is fine. That's what we're doing. It's not negative bullshit. But my baby I call her luminous emptiness, she's awareness. She's light. But she's not she's empty in the beautiful way dense is a mountain. But spacious is this guy, and that's what they said about my Raji these people that are just like empty in the good way. So I found my baby would be a deterrent possibly you. Have a flare up where you're like this is going to impede my enlightenment. Then you're hanging out with something. That is in linemen that is Christ. That is grazed with no shoddy theology. That's that's Christ. Yeah. And it's fucking amazing. And I want to hold her on my skin and be quiet with her and she picks up on it, man. It's a great great subtle game. It's awesome to play with a baby to see how how how can you come to? Her level. You know what I mean? Not I hate when I see fucking babies and Red Sox onesies, he fucking asshole ramming them. Yeah. They want and you know, what compassion. Sure fine. But that's not. That's just a very that's a very. You know, easily identifiable way in which parent would program child, but we all are doing that. I hear that. And I have to be careful not to take my child into a new agey with it. That's why we named religion earn. Leila means the dance or play of the universe. It's a Hindu were. Jane is in case, she doesn't like that shit. Jane, a cool girl. She's a photographer. She smokes menthols. You know what I mean? She wears a beret, she's cool or if she sporty she can be Eljay, right? Then you have this mental construct like, okay. These are these two identities that three at least three on some level conscious or unconscious, right? You're trying to instill in this person. And I can almost guarantee you Leela will be none of those Gooding's. Yeah. Yeah. I know. I'm only here to be called on my bullshit. That would be nice. And we're we talk about all the time. She'll probably be an athlete show probably be a rational thinker. She'll love math and reason. Of course, she will. But I'm also going to be very careful not. And I like saying this on the record even though it's got. Some hoped to to assume that I know how I'm going to raise my daughter because it's different every day. But I want I'm here to help. That's something. I say to her I say, you're welcome. I say you're welcome here. And glad you're here. It's just a good energy. And I also just say I'm here to help. I think about those like anime characters there's always like like an animate trope that there's like a big robot on like a little child. Right. That's what do you want? You want me to break that building? And what do you want to be you want to be an atheist? Are you fucking kidding me? I'm like Penn Gillette is a friend of mine wouldn't change him for the world. You know, what I'm saying irrational love, what do you want to do because I believe in? You can look at it mystically or not, psychologically. There's there's a karma. There's something programmed in her and she's a lawful unfolding of what's going on here. The fountain that's undulating recycling itself and playing with itself. So she's that part of it. And I'm here to help. And am I open to the idea that she'll surprise me? And she'll be like a hard materialist. Great. You tell me my mom my house knocks over my Buddhists. You understand? I have something I have a machine to rage against I have an openness I have to counteract the closeness with a vast nece, and that's my play. I like that. No. It'll be good. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out over time and what she develops into. But I'm not afraid to be open about it. Yeah. Because this is what it is. Like today. You know what I'm saying? I might look back and be like, oh, boy, it was sort of hope I do. But I'm not afraid to to speak of how I'd like it to be well any resistance that you throw up is only fomenting that which you are railing against right? Yeah. So to be completely open and accepting and supportive is really the only choice. We just want to love her irrationally. That's all that's what I said about. That's how I love my wife. It's not like this is a new thing. You have an amazing relationship with her. I completely agreed. Yeah. I'm like, I can't believe that that the universe. Put something in my favorite package that happened to be exactly what I needed. And what I what I also what I wanted. And she's on this journey with me. It's backing incredible. I love it. Well, one of the things that we our lives in our stores are very different. But we both had. Miss apps and a first marriage. And I heard you talk about kind of, you know, owning your part in what went wrong, and that being, you know, wrapped up in your in your own career, and like not seeing her and just sort of you know, she was there to support your vision and your dream. But then leveraging that experience to be able to be a fully formed person that could be in the con relationship that you're in right, right? I had to be broken. It's yourself into the personally it'd be without. And so how do you what is the, you know, not that there's a secret to it? But like what are some of the guiding principles that keep you guys healthy? Well, I say all the time. I just want good for you. That's an important one. We're not swingers. We're not open. But there's almost like a psychological openness that. I have or which means that. I just wanted. Good for her. It's kind of hard to say it's just the way that I'm I go against my possessiveness. We have our boundaries. And we are just you know, what I'm saying. But it's almost like my love for her. So radical that there's nothing I try to I try to experiment and play in that space of like, there's nothing you could do your best friend you fucked you'd law tails, you know, what? I mean. That's what Mike Wrigley joke. Details. But like, I'm on her side. That's why we say all the time. It's just a lot of language. I say it's very routine. Did you say, you're my favorite person? I love being with you. I love holding your hand. I love your body. My wife, this is self serving. But she's never taken clothes off in front of me without me, telling her some noise or some look on my face that makes her feel value. I'm going to cry. It's just it's just love. It's just like a lot of deliberate work and language. We haven't had the same love languages. Like I love to. You know, she hates holding laundries of this morning. I fold the laundry. I'm it's just like you leave it on the couch. She's like, you fold the laundry. Anyway, I knew it would make you feel like real little things not making someone guests. Just like she does that for me constantly and saying like, I love telling her you're thirty percent funnier than me. That's something. I say all the time I'll say a joke. And then she says that thirty percent funnier. And I'm like, you're so down. I say, you're true talent just speak to her wounds, and she speaks to mind, I'm going to get emotional. But you know, you know, somebody that's well you see where they are. And you remind them when they're getting off the path. So a lot of it had to do with the early stages of making sure you were with the right person before that you were safe and able to open up this much. Yeah. So that time in my life was important now that we're in we can just sort of open all the blind. Yeah. Well, there's a level of honesty like like the acceptance of each other at least. From my arms length perspective just seems to be unquestioned. Like, you can be completely honest with this person. And know that you're accepted. Right, right. I love it. Then that's what I'm talking about. In the book. It's loving yourself that way and the work that I do on myself is for like all the books, I read some of them are on the sable are about consciousness, right for the most part and some times people like you read baby books, and I'm like every book I read as a baby book and every book, I read as a relationship book, and every book, I read is a book about work and every book, I read a book about art because all one thing. So like the work that I do I go to therapy for Val and for me getting ahead of stuff like the the levels of honesty. I make sure they're not creepy. Like, there's almost like a smarmy like. Like, I don't know what I'm trying to articulate. But there's there's a level of over sharing that it's really about you being Surrey pooped on the lawn. Like some things I keep from her just because I want to be attractive your like a solid or person for. But like, it's it's about the motivation behind the share exactly if it's helpful to me in the morning like Val through move at me two nights ago. And I wasn't in the mood and in the morning. I was like I'm really sorry. I wasn't Oranje last night. And just being able to say that like I just want that that works for me. But you're supposed to be the guy was horny all the time. And I talk about this on the save on the stage on stage Val is that sort of energy that works for me sexually as well. Like, we talk about it as if it's somebody else, we have you noticed that I can't really perform sexually unless it's my idea. Like, I just need to be able to say that I go like at sucks my. Body is such a coward that I need to be like, this is my where will owed you because that's sexy to him. But I wish it wasn't that way. You know what I mean? But we just have to deal with it d- personally. And I can and a big thing is I go that may be how it is. And I can work on it. You know, what I mean like I hate resigning things or shortcomings and just going those are the me, babe. Right. I don't do that. I when people do that when they just go. Sorry. I'm not a good listener work on it dip shit. You know, what I mean like fucking figure that shit out 'cause you're not dead yet. And you still have. Yeah. Agency and freedom. But I think people need they need their crashing in order to face that kind of stuff. It takes. It's a lot harder to voluntarily sign up for that kind of work unless you're in some kind of crisis, right or your hand is being held at the flame. Or you're losing something that might be why the cancellation seems like such a liberating feeling for me. As as I'm getting old enough. And I've done it enough times to realize that this is where the juices meal. Oh, yes. The growth opportunity snacks. Yeah. And trusting and believing and knowing that there's something around the corner that is fit for you. That's right. This is what that time is about. That's right. You have a lot more time to go and promote your book. I know how it is. I worked on this for three and the toward the press schedule when I was going to be shooting the fourth season was two days two days. We're gonna carve out while I was shooting. And I told my editor I was like the states that I'm talking about in those books are not easy. We're talking about how hard it is to be present. And to be in our awareness, or whatever you want to say. And when I'm shooting my show, it was very hard to stay in that place. I wasn't feeling it. Sometimes I'll just tell people that. I'm like. Yeah. Sometimes when I'm in that place, I feel this. I'm not in that place right now. You know what? I mean. Right. Like, I can't we're not all one right now. I'm stuck. And that's what I wish pastors could do. I don't believe it today. Sorry. I just saw a video about an earthquake in India. I'm sorry. I don't feel it. So sometimes I feel that. But it's very helpful to me when I can spend my mornings with Leila. Reading and being quiet and seeing the sun coming through our weird old windows and the glass sort of distorts the light and see that and see the trees and all. All Dr here to see your beautiful house and see the nature and how to speak to me. I can get in touch with the state that I was in as I was reading this book in the mornings, and then I can more effectively go out and communicate that as opposed to like a haggard stressed TV guy. Right. Right. Who's wearing nine hats. And then one of the most it'd be like I also wrote a book I didn't want this to be. I also wrote a bug we've been three years of my life, and it's like very proud, and you should go everywhere. If I would have been on the writer's room today. I would not be on the podcast, you see and do lots of podcasts do you guys. And by the way, I look to her who got on the bestseller list just from doing podcast before the book came out. Yeah. That's the way it is these days. That's right. And I started to be so bold as what we say in writers rooms, it's so obvious. But I mean like, yeah, I wanted to come on to get the word out about the book because the book matters to me, you should be completely unapologetic about that. But there's also I wrote the book this this is going to sound maybe cheesy. There were two are to relieve into restore relief suffering. There's a lot of people that are suffering, maybe their wives left them. Maybe they lost their faith. They might be having some sort of pain that I also experienced. So I wrote the book to talk about and walk people through how I relieve my own suffering and then restore restore connection to the mystery. Let's not say God because as loaded, but some sort of participation with that's playful and fun and. Spacious with the fundamental. What is this that? We're all sharing that we're all stuck in this conundrum that we can analyze dissect and build up and breakdown build bridges and rockets and understand a lot like I talked about signs being like sheet music. You know what I mean? It's like we we can break it down. It's fucking beautiful. I'm not putting down science, but we're still sort of stuck going like the thing. That's breaking it down as also a part of the thing. Yeah. You know what I mean? So it's like it's just as weird. It's like Mario realizing everything's made of pixels. Good for you. Mario you're like what what did this like what is the Japanese man that made this? So it's really really fun to restore and the and the connection methods that I described his book are as liberal as they get there's no dogma, and there's no group to join at the end of this book. In fact, I almost called the gateway God because it's the idea that every concept of God that you have is that it's a gateway. God it's the book it's the bookmark for now. And you can close the book you can put it aside forever. You don't have. To go back. You can come back. You can move forward. You can move backward. It's just there's an Alan watts quote. I wonder if I can find it, but to be clear while you're looking for that like, it's a memoir, and it's funny. It's your life. It's not this is not the first quarter of it are just a comedy book. Really? And then it takes you didn't even really you didn't get to that part. There's a hard. There's it takes a hard left. Which is my favorite part of the book. Here we go gateway. God. Is it here? When it chicken comes out of the eggs shell design philosopher. Alan watts said, the eggshell is not something to be deplored. It's certainly something to be broken. But had the shell not existed. The chicken wouldn't have been protected so in precisely the same way images religious, ideas, religious symbols exist in order to be constructively and lovingly broke them bats at constructing constructively broken and lovingly broken. Right. So in other words, we welcome you stress testing, our ideas around faith. That's right. That's right. And losing your faith to find it is. I thought it was the worst thing that can happen. And now I'm like now you get there. How do you have conviction about your faith, unless you've unless you've lost it or it's been so Jesus desert? It's in the book, it's in the story Jesus going into the desert for thirty days and Buddha going into the woods for thirty days. Hey, that's peculiar. But I'm just saying it's built into these stories. Staring you in the face. You weren't supposed to be wearing a Red Sox jersey or Jesus onesie as a baby you were supposed to fuck him. Give it resist it break, it rediscover it rebuild it and talk about it because we're all stuck in this. And we need help. You know what I mean? Yeah. And and it doesn't help anybody to be a perfect vegan or a perfect Christian. Or it doesn't nobody. My dick is so soft even thinking we're not anyway. That's right. So get out of here. All right. Have your parents read this book? You know, I I wanna talk to you about that. But yeah, lane Mullany gave me a blurb. And he was like I'm so glad I'm not related to Pete. He pulls. No punches. And when I read it I thought I was gentle with them. And I'm curious what you thought I gave the well. Your your sense of of gentility can only be measured against your your assessment of the truth. Right. So I have no comparison to measure it against. But I felt like, you know, you didn't pull punches I didn't feel like you were being untold -ly, you know, cruel or anything like that. You're being very honest. Yeah. But there's aspects of that honesty that I would imagine, you know, depending upon the sensitivity of your parents that might be challenging for them to digest. Right. I gave it to my mom, and my brother, I didn't give it to my dad, but it was because my mom, and my brother, I thought would what I wanted them to do was make sure that what I was writing was how they remembered and my father who I love. We much wasn't necessarily the best witness of what happened not just because he drank. But because he I don't I don't think his mind really works that way, and he wasn't around as much. So what I was writing was what it was like living in the house in the tension of kind of a strange relationship with my dad what especially when we were young something happened around thirty. I think my mom gave up and she stopped trying to change my dad, and that sort of made a more benign strangeness. But when I was young I wanted to share the story of why became a comedian. And I'm a believer that nobody really becomes a comedian without some sort of turmoil or something and mine was that my parents fought every night, and that's very valuable to me to share more explicitly than I have on my podcast what it was like living in a house where we just had like a nightly screaming ritual. And I thought that was normal. I just thought it was normal. Like, it was like a play that we did like my dad would come home and they'd fight. And we'd go upstairs it wasn't physical. But I I sort of make the point that it didn't need to be physical that we were children, and we felt unsafe. And I said, I think I like them to Greek gods throwing thunderbolts, and that me and my brother were like dogs waiting for the fireworks to stop. And that's very sad. I can't read that part of the book without kind of tearing up, and I made sure that my brother remembered at the same way that my mother remembered it the same way, and I love my dad, and I. Made peace with my dad, and it was important to me that he didn't come off like a villain or something. But the truth is he and my mom don't get along their personalities don't get along. I sort of say there. My dad was like a dog, and my mom was like finicky cat, and like dogs and cats they fought and that sort of baked in me, my need to be peacekeeper. And that baked in me, my need to be a good boy. And my good boy going into the church was the best way to be a good boy and also church. Nobody was arguing or fighting or mean or yelling. So like, and by the way, my dad was never mean to me, they just didn't get along. And and it was pre- therapy and pre emotional availability. So there was no there was no like, hey, sorry about last night on the way to my dad wouldn't be like that must have been really hard for you guys. I'm so sorry. There was none of that. And that's when you go, you know, what I'm going to go up on stage and make strangers love me. So what did you what did your mom? What was? Your mom's reaction. She said you were easy on us. That's what she said. I was ready for her to like fact, check it. And she had a couple of thoughts about the time line. And she was right. I jump around on the timeline in a way that and in not important ways that only she would notice like where my bald spot was whether that was junior high or high school that sort of blurry in the book, but I didn't think that was important. But she said you were using. And honestly when you're writing a book like this. There's there is a version you could have written that was that could have been harder. But I didn't that's not the book. I just wanted to be like this is what it felt like growing up. And this is why I ran to church where it was safe. And honestly, I hope the book sounds affectionate because church was that place for me. Even though they told me that, you know, my dick was the devil. And they didn't even tell me that directly. They just were indirect enough that allowed me to sort of have that perversion of thought, I don't mean sexual perversion, I just mean like, I filled in the blanks in an unhealthy way. And some of that was supported by some of the church volunteers and stuff, but there was an affection for the church. It was a safe place. It's the first place. I tried stand up. So first place I felt funny and not the first place I felt funny, but I felt safe enough to go up on stage and do standup crowd. And yeah, they they had to, you know, love their neighbor. And that was great. And and it gave me grownup, especially male grownups that were interested in. What is this not not just like the stories of what's happening in our lives? But they wanted to talk about things that just seem so famine and to me like where everything came from and how we're supposed to behave and feelings and thoughts and dreams and all that stuff. So the church was that's what I'm saying. The gay got it wasn't right or wrong or good or bad or inter out. It was just it was just the third grade. And then you move maybe moved to the second grade. Maybe then he moved to the fifth grade. Then you're in college and your community. Just doesn't matter. You're you're moving around, and that's that's all in the game. So what is the main thing that you want people to take away from the book that it basically sorry to repeat myself that it is only right that that losing your faith is actually a really important thing. I could read this part from the book too because I just saw it's it's kind of breaking down. On the hero's journey foot in my own in. My own words, you're in the village. And that's nice safe familiar comfortable that was me in church, basically, it's chicken night, and you love chicken, but you feel the call to go to the woods you've been told your entire life. Not to go in the woods. But you're compelled and you leave on chicken, and it's not nice. It's unsafe unfamiliar uncomfortable and your cold and hungry and lost. But you get strong and you kill your own chickens and learn your own way, you meet others people who've never even heard of your village. And you learn each slay dragons get wounds, find swords, and he'll you find out what you're made of and realize what you're looking for was part of you all along. But the story doesn't end there. The final step in every hero's journey is to come back. You return to the village the same but different and the village is the same, but you see differently, and you tell everyone what you've learned in those forbidden woods around the fire. Adding spices to their check. And they've never dreamed of telling the story of the time. He did the one thing you were told never to do. Now. God isn't something. I believe in. It's something I feel all of us soaking. So that's it. Yeah. I get emotional. This is I'm forty I'm almost forty. I only wanna talk about the real shit. You know what I mean? And that's not to say that comedy and silliness isn't a part of my life. I love being silly for silly sake. But there's I just it was like written on my in my bone marrow to like tell the story. And that's why I'm excited to come on this show and promoted and and get the word out, well beautifully done, my friend. Thank you. I'm excited to see you birth. This thing in the world. Thank you have all this bandwidth to go out and tiny about Montana's Gus though. Thank you. Yeah. Then great. Thank you. Really? Appreciate it. Come back and talk to me again sometime. I'd love to if only to see this property. Yeah. All right. So I'm going to take psychedelics us down down on the TV. Unsupervised? Good deal, man. All right. Look it. And it's me invalid around. No, no. I gotta go. Awesome. At Pete Holmes. B six comedy sex. God available wherever you buy find books you can order now. That would be nice for order it. Now. That's why you're order preorder it now it comes out may may right? Fourteen. Awesome. Thank you. Congrats. Thank you. That's a look my face. Good times people that was right to be favorable Keaton know what you thought of today's conversation you can hit him out on Twitter or Instagram at Pete Holmes. Please pick up a copy of his new book comedy sex God or check it out on audible checkout crashing on HBO checkout, his standup specials and his amazing. Awesome podcast. 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"Support for this. NPR podcast and the following message come from total wine and more friendly in store wind guides can recommend the perfect wine for your holiday gathering blink. Eight Thousand Wines and twenty five hundred beers more at totalwine dot com from whyy in Philadelphia. I'm terry gross with fresh share. Today jet APO who produced super bed and girls and directed the forty year old virgin and train wreck. He got his big break from comic. Garry shandling wing. who was Johnny Carson's guest host on the tonight? Show and Creator and star of the groundbreaking comedy series. The Larry Sanders show. Shandling is the subject of appetite. New Book Withdraws on what Apple Tau found going through Shanley's belongings after he died in two thousand sixteen appetite didn't expect shambling to save much because he wasn't sentimental for instance all of his awards. We're in a trophy case that he built next to his washer and dryer. Appetite found Boxes Shannon's diaries reflecting his dedication to practicing zen meditation and letting go of his ego aspirations in conflict with his obsession to we keep sharpening his comedy. My guest jet Appetito has given many actors their first big break or given their careers. A big boost through the movies and TV shows that he's produced and directed like freaks and Geeks the forty year old virgin super bad anchorman bridesmaids girls train wreck the big sick and and crashing. We're going to talk about the comic who gave appetite his big break and became his mentor and close friend. Garry shandling appetite has edited. A new book built around interviews as well as the photos. Jokes letters and journals appetite found unchained links. Home after Shannon's death in two thousand sixteen the the book is called. It's Garry shandling book and it's a companion to the. Hbo Documentary Appetite made last year titled Zen Diaries of Garry Shandling at at the heart of the film and book are shellings journals. Dating back to nineteen seventy eight. shamming practiced zen meditation for decades and pages and pages of his journals are reminders to himself to remain calm not get attached to worldly things let go of his ego aspirations that came into conflict with his neuroses and is obsessive dedication to his comedy show became famous as a comic in the seventies when Johnny Carson was still hosting the tonight show after making many guest appearances shandling became a frequent guest host when Carson was away channeling groundbreaking contributions were his to TV shows. It's Garry shandling show for shadowed reality TV and featured a fictionalized version of shambling that showed him living his life or being followed by a camera crew through the show was very Meta and so as the theme song whose lyrics were about being a theme song the theme together show Themes recall me up and asked if I would ride. His team. Saw almost finished until like the show shown leagues next TV series. The Larry Sanders show was also Meta. It was a satire in which he starred as is the host of a late night. Talk Show Kinda like the tonight show. Let's start with a clip in which Larry's producer played by rip torn as asking Larry if you read the new book about the competition competition and conflict between late night hosts what did you think of that book. Did you finish it. Oh yeah I read it on the plane man. I can't believe Leno actually hid in the closet so he can the whole network meeting sickness to be so obsessed with what people are saying about you right now. That is a sickness. Say about being mentioned much. Everybody in town's talking talking about it. Good Jabba welcome back to fresh air. this new book and documentary. The book is a loving tribute to Garry. Shandling it's also about how comic turns insecurity and emotional suffering into comedy. Garry shandling practice Zen. Meditation there's a way to deal with his stress. Insecurity emotional pain and because of that because he was so into Zen Buddhism. You assumed he didn't hold on too much into terms of like possessions any any sentimentality. So after he died when you went into his house you were surprised by all the stuff that you found their pertaining to his life. Tell us a little bit about what you found that. You've worked into your documentary about him. Another brock I went to his house. And you know there's the immediate question of what do you do with all his stuff and I. I just as as a friend who was willing to to help the family deal with it and as a hoarder I I was interested in it. Not being lost I because to me everything about Gary was valuable and is valuable. He wasn't sentimental. And so for instance all of his awards were in a trophy case that he built next to his washer and dryer. It's like an Sammy peabody. They're all in this little trophy case in the most disrespectful place in the house. And that's what Gary felt like. He also didn't have any photos of family anywhere in his house and I just assumed that he didn't care about any of that stuff and toss awesome all and when I started opening closets and looking in boxes I realize that he didn't throw everything in the garbage. He threw everything in boxes. Just chuck them in closets. So for instance. His brother died when he was ten years old. And I'd never seen a photo of his brother but then I would open a box and there would be a hundred pictures of his brother so I don't know if he had a secret nostalgic or sentimental side but he did keep deep everything and kept his journals which he started in the nineteen seventies. And you're right though when when you found Garry shandling journals you wondered if it was. It's okay for you to read them if you'd be either violating his privacy or if you'd find out things about him that would make you like him less yes but you decided to read them. Did it change your impression of him. Oddly changed my impression of him in the sense that that I already admired him and I knew he was a man who struggled but I was surprised that thirty years of journals mainly contained Gary trying to talk to his positive voice so they weren't journals from the point of view of someone who is just trying to spew all their toxic stuff. A lot of us writing journals like that. We just want to get the bad voice out of our head. And that's not what Gary Journals Arnold's were like they were a voice talking to the panicked anxious voice so most of the journals were reminders to try to get out of ego to try to be more kind and loving to let go and it's thirty years of reminders. There's about the type of person that he wants to be. How would you describe Gary Shanley's place in comedy? Gary always cut his own path so when he did It's Garry shandling show. They really hadn't been a show like that that was so experimental dental and weird and which made fun of the whole concept of sitcoms. Well the show was Gary playing playing a version of himself and he basically would look directly into the camera and talk to the audience at home and then he would comment both on the show the story and the mechanics of making the show so he might suddenly jump on a golf cart and drive through the studio you and reveal the studio audience and the warm up person and the Director Wall still doing the story of that episode and then I needed the Larry Sanders show which was a satire of talk shows. It was a behind the scenes. Look at a anxious neurotic talk show hosts somewhat like Gary and in it. He tried to explore the way show. Business and EGO prevents people from connecting and loving each other. That was his premise. And in a way he was trying to use the show to explore his own psyche and I always thought he was mocking the part of himself that he didn't like mocking the person that wanted to be rich and famous. And someone who could hold this high position for a long in time you knew Garry shandling really well but your first encounter with him was when you were in high school when you're sixteen and you had a radio show in which you interview comics next and yet somehow manage to get really great comex to talk to you a high school kid on this tiny little high school radio station and we talked about that on one of your visits to our show. and You you have a whole book collecting some of your high school interviews with with comics but anyways you interviewed Garry shandling when you were sixteen in one thousand nine hundred eighty three and this was about five years after he first started doing comedy was about two two years after his first appearance on the tonight night. Show how did you get Garry shandling to talk with you. We're back then there. There wasn't an internet or at least none that we knew of outs and most comedians didn't do long format interviews. There were no podcasts. And other than maybe some morning radio to promote okay gigs so I interviewed about fifty comedians mainly by tricking their publicist into thinking that it wasn't a high school radio station that it was just a normal radio station. Asian and most publicised because these comedians didn't do many interviews. Were very willing to let me talk to them. Gary was in Vegas. I think opening for Joan rivers when I did this interview any adjust hosted the tonight show for the first time which was very rare for young. MM comedian who wasn't that famous to get to host the tonight show and what I remember about the interview was he was just really funny and was very willing to talk about how jokes are written and then tell me a bunch of jokes to to show me the process and it was one of the interviews. I I appreciated the most and you know looking back. It's weird because he completely changed my life. He hired me to write for his show. He did a cameo on the pilot of the Ben Stiller show which I thought was part of why we got picked up. He asked me to direct. I had never directed before. So it's weird that I knew him for so long. It almost feels predestined our relationship and then ultimately being able to tell the story of his life. Your book about Garry. Shandling has just been published in your earlier documentary about him. The Zen diaries of Garry shandling. You play a short except of that high school interview did with Garry shandling. So let's listen to this. This is recorded in nineteen eighty three when you were sixteen. How would you describe the type of humor that you do? Oh Man That conventional it seems that you know when you watch. It's your like your ideas on things and I think it's great. I do this joke in my act that I've heard every excuse for a woman not going to bed with me. I think I've heard them all. I remember this one girl actually said it to me Look not with this off an island thing and I said that was over a year ago that I still haven't gotten over it yet and I said well I can understand that Mrs Thatcher okay. That's a brief excerpt of my guest. Jet Apoptosis tells interview with Garry. Shandling Land John Apoptosis and in Highschool did that interview. Help lead you to have enough of a connection with Garry. Garry shandling and that he would be willing to give you your start in comedy. I excited to talk to him. You could just hear in my voice. It's like I'm talking to John Lennon and I didn't ever tell Gary about it when I first I met him. I think I waited a very long time to tell him that we had met over the phone. Oh he didn't realize he didn't Satun to together and say. Oh you're the kid who I was so embarrassed about it and I met him because he was looking confirm jokes. For the the grammy's he was hosting the Grammy's and my manager connected me with Gary and Gary said we'll oh you know. Send me some jokes and I stayed up all night and wrote like a hundred jokes because I really felt like I think this is the big break of my career and he liked like the jokes enough to hire me on in a more serious way and then he took me to New York to be at the grammys with him. onstage during the show and I don't I don't think I wrote many jokes that he used. I wrote a lot of setups for jokes and then he would get rid of my punchline and write a better punchline and I think that that that was helpful to him that I I knew music and I knew the the synergy of Joke Gary Shannon grew up in Tucson because his older brother needed a warm dry riot climate because he had cystic fibrosis which is a genetic progressive. Disease in which Mucus Clark's the airways in the lungs and makes it increasingly difficult to breathe and Garett older brother Berry died at age thirteen. Gary was ten then and it sounds for from Your documentary documenting in your in your book that it traumatized Gary when Berry Diet and left scars never one away and and I mean he was. He wasn't told that the end was imminent. He didn't get a chance to say goodbye. He wasn't taken to the funeral. How did that affect him? You know it's hard to know for sure but it certainly scarred him in a way that affected him throughout throughout his life after his brother died the family dealt with it by not talking about it which I think you know for that time period. This is one thousand. Nine hundred sixty is something. A lot of people did in post World War Two America. They said all right. We're going to move forward and how we survive. This is we are going to stuff it down deep and not talk about it and so throughout carries life he was all for being honest and open and vulnerable and present and real. And I think that's because at the key moment of his childhood people were not real with him. I WanNa read a journal entry from his diary in two thousand five as before brother. You're a happy boy in your body. His death breath was a mind. F- event and disappointment. You had to deal with on your own. Go back into the body. Don't try to avoid pain. It is a struggle. Did you stay in the body for everyone discipline breathing confusing so he still trying to deal with us. And it still seems to be like in two thousand five to be kind of shaping how he wants to get by in the world to like like be go back into your body. Don't try to avoid pain. This is a common struggle. You have to. Yeah it's It's heartbreaking to to hear that and I think Kerry was trying to understand understand how the death of his brother affected his life and his choices and he knew that he hadn't dealt with it in the way that he should have and and so at the end of the documentary. There's a long letter that he wrote to his brother. In which he he basically says goodbye to his brother. In a way he didn't get to in life and it's just So beautiful into so sad Well he says at the end goodbye good bye from this world. Goodbye from the pain of your body. I honor honor Your Life. What a special short life to affect me so severely for so long? Thank you you see you on the other side. I love you clear you still find that very moving at really speaks to you it you know I was you know going through his things and I had this idea that his brother other who didn't ever talk about might be you know the key to a lot of his personality and then one day I just stumbled upon that that letter and I just think you know it's it's so sad and also so beautiful that he got to a place where he understood judit and could express something so deep and and loving and it's heartbreaking because ultimately it's a little boy who would love his brother other so much. There was all this home video in every shot. Gary looks like he is in heaven with his older brother. And so you know it's it's it's the worst possible loss for a little kid. It sounds like Garry. Shandling was also really shaped by a near death experience that he had when he was in a car accident in in Beverly Hills and nearly died so he was twenty seven when this happened and he writes about it it in his journal and he says remember when you were hit by the car death was in your face and you realized just to live even with nothing is is a more than fair trade. What do you need nothing? If you had everything you would still have to face death. Don't be attached to life. Let go of everything. See what's left I think that's an example of what you were talking about earlier. Him Him him giving advice to himself and using his his invoices convoys to talk to himself that was a turning point for him. Wasn't it when he was in the traffic accident. He didn't. He changed his life and his what he wanted to do with it. Afterwards he was writing for sitcoms. uh-huh like welcome back Kotter and Sanford and son and doing some stand up. But he wasn't that committed to it. He was having a hard time finding himself. And and after the car accident he decided to quit writing and focus all of his time on his stand up so it had a big effect on him. My guest is screenwriter producer and director Jet Appetito his new book is a tribute tribute to Garry shandling called. It's Garry shandling book and it's a companion to appetizer. Hbo Documentary called. Zen Diaries of Garry. Shandling we'll talk doc more after we take a short break. I'm Terry Gross and this is fresh air this message comes from. NPR sponsor capital one with capital one. A new savings account account earns five times the national average. That's five times more savings toward that overdue home edition or maybe even an addition on that edition capital capital. One is helping you earn more towards your savings goals. This is banking reimagined. What's in your Wallet Capital One? NA member FDIC FDIC. Let's get back to my interview with Judd Appetite. WHO's produced and or directed films and TV shows like freaks and geeks the forty year old virgin super bad anchorman bridesmaids girls train wreck the big sick and crashing? He's edited a new book about Garry. shandling built around interviews photos jokes letters and journals journals appetite found and channeling home after his death in two thousand Sixteen Shanley was a mentor and friend to Japa- Tau and tied 'em about comedy how to Write Direct Act and mentor other young comics. The book is called. It's Garry shandling book and it's a loving tribute to a highly neurotic comic. Who practiced zen meditation while trying to turn his insecurity and neurosis into comedy? It also tells the story of Shanley's life. The new book is a companion to the. Hbo Documentary Entry. Appetite made last year titled Zen Diaries of Garry Shandling Garry. Shandling came of age in comedy during the period. When if you wanted to make it big you had or do the tonight show with Johnny Carson? It was the only late night show and it was really like the only venue where you're going to get a national audience and people are going to hear you your name so in your documentary back area Shanley you play a clip from Garissa. First appearance on the tonight show so I thought we should hear that clip dinner last night at a friend of mine's house and he has When do you call those things a baby? He has a baby. And I'm a single guy. I don't know how to relate to this too you know and the baby's crawling around on the carpet and this baby Loads up diaper you know and I'm sitting there you know. And the mother comes over and says isn't that adorable brandon made a gift for Daddy. Now I'm figuring this guy's got to be real easy to shop for on. aww Gary Shanley's first tonight night's show performance so you know it's funny. It's so not like anybody could have told a joke. You didn't need to be Garry shandling to tell that it's it's not a personal joke. It's not something that really comes out of his experience It's just interesting since he became so so personal as a comic since he did two shows that were basically a comedy version of his life with him playing himself. It's such a a really big journey that he took meteorically. I can only acquainted says something like music. You know the beadle start out and they do. I WanNa hold your hand or love me do and then it turns into sergeant pepper. And you know that joke is you know it's a it's a solid joke. There's been so much comedy since than that. It seems mild at this point but Gary was a great joke rider. A great writer of one liners and and bits and he evolved into something that was much deeper and more heartfelt but like a lot of people it starts out with something simpler so in talking about how Garry shandling one from you know telling jokes at other comics could tell to doing stand up. That was much more personal. That's one of the things things I asked him about when I interviewed him in December of Nineteen Ninety two and he was supposed to show up at a studio but we got a call from his publicist saying that he had car trouble and that He couldn't he couldn't make. We just did a phone interview But anyways I was talking to him here about about like develop being his voice in comedy. So let's hear a short excerpt of that and I should mention you. You include a neck. I am honored to say you include an excerpt of this in in in the documentary version of your area. Shanley's life so thank thank you for including the thank you. So here's an Xtra when you started doing standup Did you have a sense of who you wanted to be on stage. And what what aspects of your personality you really wanted to to bring out your stage persona. It was Really a nightmare. I had no idea who I was when I started and I was frightened to death and had no natural performing skills aside never performed before in my life and to be thrown onto the standup stage is an experience that you cannot fathom until you're actually there there because there's no place to go and everyone's looking at you and you can't even see them because of the lights and yet you have to manage to start talking and be funny money on top of it and At the beginning I think I did I. I wrote material. That was very much Influenced by Woody Allen. Who's WHO's my favourite and and I used to do very offbeat jokes that sounded like I was reading them and And and it took years to develop A style and actually what happened is I was involved in a relationship And the the the the girl left me and I was very hurt very hurt and I had to go up on stage and I finally just turn to the honest and said this girl lasts me. I said Well I said what happened is she moved in I I she moved in with another guy so I adopter because that's where I draw the line and so that was the beginning that was really the beginning of people of of the Garry shandling dating years in stand up that came out. You know 'cause I realize oh I I started really spill my guts about being unhurt and and people really related to it and and it just was one of those things. It was in a nightclub in Dallas. I really remember it very well. I think that's so interesting. How uncomfortable he was on stage at the beginning? And how it he. He felt like he sounded like he was reading his jokes. And Mitzi shore who owned the comedy store was very direct about the fact that she thought he was a terrible performer and she didn't like writers who tried to do stand APSO. Gary couldn't really get in at the comedy store. And then he's just started. Gigs it all these little crappy places in the valley and he. He didn't come back to the comedy store for a year and then a year later he came back and found his voice and his confidence and then they let him be a regular at the comedy store. But it is interesting that sometimes I'm just one joke unlocks the key to your whole approach. You know he had one joke. That was very honest and based on his suffering and then he realized Oh. This is the way I go down this path. So Garry shandling became a frequent guest on the tonight show and then became one of the most popular guest host of the tonight show but he decided guerre Shanley decided to stop doing the tonight show which is really surprising because he was guest hosting so much I mean it was such a privileged position to be in but he gave it up. How come the guy was doing? It's Garry shandling. showed the same time and and Gary just got tired he just said I. I can't do a great job both of those things. I think the pressure to do work. That was great. Just was almost unbearable to him that the pressure other people put him And put on him or the pressure put on himself I think he put it on himself completely and he just had a bar he was trying to reach and it was almost maddening to try to reach that bar. He just didn't mail anything in. He was obsessed with with doing something unique and amazing and I think it's exhausting in a way that people can't really understand when your mind works like that if you care and you're passionate and your soul searching it it's also a very painful full compulsive process. Let's take a short break here and then we'll talk some more. If you're just joining US my guest is film director Rector Screenwriter TV and movie producer. Judd appetito and his new book is called. It's Garry shandling book. We'll be right back. This is fresh air this message comes from. NPR Sponsor Vanguard Vanguard was founded on a simple but radical idea that an investment company can succeed zied because it puts investors first vanguard is client owned you own their funds and the Fund's own vanguard which means vanguard is built to ensure that your interests I will be the priority together vanguards. 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Apparently very stressful position. Apparently working for Gary was very stressful. And and you. You expressed your reluctance and you said to him. I don't want you to hate me. What major thing that? If you became the show runner that would kill your relationship with him. Well there was just a you know a long Line of bodies of people who had held that position addition. I I always liken it to trying to paint with Picasso painting a painting with him he probably at some point would turn to you and go. You do it all wrong. What's with the red? You would always disappoint him because the show is so in his mind and so based on his feelings feelings and experience it when you work something so personal how could you ever know what he would do. What's in his heart? How he would behave? And because Gary was you know neurotic about running a staff. He was an amazing with the writers and Compassionate of what was so hard about pleasing him that it was a combative show. It was painful at times. If you pitch Gary Joking he hated it. You would feel it you you would. I mean it will. It would hurt you. The Look of disappointment in Gary's eyes and there were very few people that carry felt like could write the show so when he said Hey. Can you do me a favor and Co show run this last season. I was terrified because I loved my relationship with Gary Gary and I didn't want something to go terribly wrong with it and I said to him Gary I'll I'll do it. You have to know how hard this is i. It was just honest with him in probably no one ever had been and I was honest about why he was difficult to work with. And I said let's figure out how we can do it where we don't turn on each other and a lot of it was about trying to pull gary into spaces to get him to have a little more time to figure out the solutions Russians and to make the work more fun for Gary so he wasn't just waiting on the writers to hand him solutions. You Know How could we get him more involved in in the process Said certain key moments and you know it worked pretty well we. We remained friends at the end and he really liked the final final season. Adam resnick also ran. The final season was brilliant. So it is one of the great accomplishments in my life. One of the funny things is when I was reading Gary's diaries I kept thinking he never slams me in these diaries. I was so happy and then one day I opened the diary and there was a list of everyone who had disappointed him that year and I was number three because I left the show one year to go. Make a movie and I wasn't there to help him so I think it hurt him more than he he led on. But it wasn't your performance as a comedy writer as the fact that you left to do something a project if your own yes and and I didn't even know that he cared that I was there. At that point I was young and a consulting producer. I wasn't really in charge of anything. I was just pitching jokes and trying to be helpful but I guess I guess at hurt his feelings. Okay so he got sick toward the end of his life. Garry shandling got sick. Or the end of his life he had Hypothyroidism parathyroid ISM. I'm not sure what that is and pancreatitis and I'm not exactly sure what that is either but So what what are those conditions. Then how do they affect his his outlook on life and his ability to function. Well the fired issue affected Gary Brain. It slowed down and someone described it to me as almost mirroring what aging feels like so there were years where Gary felt like he was running out of gas or he was getting old but actually he had this condition which was fogging up his brain and the ultimate had an operation that that dealt with it but I think as a result of it not being dealt with for a long time it may have contributed to pancreatitis assists on his pancreas and he had to have a life threatening operation to deal with that and part of the result of all this was that he did get foggy in his brain. He he had years. Where you'd see Gary and he? You just seem like a mess and you didn't really ever know what it was. What was it from being sick? was he on medication. Was He depressed. And we all worried about him and Gary would you know would would say to me sometimes How do I seem in a what are people saying about me? What did they think's he's going on and he had an awareness of it and he was always trying to get more clear headed? Buddy was fighting multiple illnesses. He died on March twenty sixteen. Who is sixty six years old? Do you remember your last conversation with him. In the month before Gary he died he was obsessed with getting the Larry Sanders show on. HBO Streaming. He wanted it to exist. Exists somewhere and we would talk and strategize about how to make that happen because it had been sold off in pieces two different entities fees and he was trying to get. Hbo To buy all of it and to make it accessible and he wasn't sure if HBO is the place or not. And I said well what is the issue is it money. Are you trying to find a place that will pay the most money or you just want to have it out there for the most people to see and he said I just want people to be able to watch watch it. And we had a bunch of conversations about how to expedite that process and the morning that he died died he got a call and his agent told him that. HBO had closed the deal and they were buying place and to show and they were going to run it and a few hours later he died. And I I. I'm not a believer that Gary knew he was going to die and that's why he was obsessed with getting the show scene but it it. It certainly was strange that he he was so concerned with that issue. At that time as you say although we talked about the hyperthyroidism and pancreatitis yeah titus as not what killed him in the enter. Lisa wasn't the final thing that killed him. He he died of a blood clot that moved from his leg To his heart he had major dental surgery in Hawaii and he flew back home and and and it it it may have been the result of his other medical problems this developed. Let's take a short break here and then we'll talk some more. 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I think we all felt that the best way to honour Gary would be to make a speech that was heartfelt and funny Gary would want it to be funny and you know it's something that it's hard to look back on and no how how we got through it so I just try to be sincere and do it in a way that I thought would make Gary Laugh okay. So here's Judd. Appetites Eulogy at Gary Shan Links Memorial. Very emotional go down and the rabbit hole of Gary. But I feel like it's a lesson for me to just think very deeply about Kerry's life and and his death and to learn from it it's odd that prince just died because Gary and prince were very similar and there really were no differences. When you really get down to Gary? Was the prince of comedy. The mysterious complicated sexually. Ambiguous talent was endless. He was a brilliant performer former. Who May or may not have been high the entire time he had great hair both stood up against the man to get? They're back and both were sexiest. Larry Sanders Show with Gary Purple Rain. It's Garry shandling show. What's his dirty mind? The only difference between the two men is that Gary had a huge Joe. Gary would've wanted. We know that this shut up Patel Eulogizing Garry shandling and that excerpt is included in the documentary that Jet Patel. Tell me about Garry shandling. The Zen diaries of Garry shandling So I mean I can hear you tearing up at the same time. You're trying to to you know. Say Some funny things about about Gary was was it hard to hold it together while you're doing that. Oh I didn't I didn't hold it together. I just had to had to get through it. Gary had so many friends there are thousand. L. Is in people at his memorial service. It was really a beautiful event and I made a few documentary pieces that we're about five minutes long showing moments from his life and interviews. Gary and that's what made me WanNa do the documentary because in just preparing those. I realized that that there was a story that people would like to hear and an inspiration in his life and I think Gary wanted to try to find a way to figure out how to tell people about about everything. That's in the book. And in the documentary and he hadn't figured it out yet so to me. A lot of this work is completing something that Gary had started. Where did before record? We recorded our interviewer went to see if you were on twitter and what you've been tweeting about what might God what you've been about. It is is trump trump trump trump. Like lots of re tweets about trump lots of links to articles about trump. It sounds like you're in a very political frame of mind right now. Ask Our Many people in America Anything you want to say about that. About how absorbed you've become politically judging from what you're doing on twitter. Well I follow it too closely. My wife decided to not watch the news that much and she has is getting younger by the day we generated. She looks like Millie. Bobby Brown I looked like a wartime president going gray fast. It's all collapsing. But I I do feel like these are scary times and we have to speak up. Something really awful is happening. You know we talk about all of the possible reasons since for impeachment. How about just lying ten thousand times do we actually need more than that separate from our differences and how we should should handle the economy or taxes or healthcare? Don't we just want a person that doesn't lie ten thousand times and I I hope to encourage people to register to vote and to get other people to register to vote you know. The percentage of people who vote is so sir sadly low and we do have all the power to change things and get better people in charge of our government but people need you to do the work to figure out how to vote to make sure their vote isn't suppressed which is happening so I'm hopeful that people will go to the pulse when it's time Jeff appetizers. Been Great to talk with you again. Thank you so much. Thank you judd. Appetite new book is called. It's Garry Sean. Links book tomorrow on fresh air my guest will be Andrew Marantz a staff writer for the New Yorker an author of the new Book Antisocial Online and Extremists Techno Utopians and the hijacking of the American conversation he reported on the all right during and after the twenty sixteen presidential presidential election. I hope you can join us on this veterans day we send our gratitude to those who have served and our thanks to the families who have made sacrifices Walla family members served will close with music performed by the bay state. Wins the clarinet quartet of the air force band of Liberty Fresh Air's executive producers Danny Miller our technical director and engineer as Bentham our associate producer of digital media is molly seavy Nesper to recent madden directed. Today show I'm terry gross else

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An Interlude Of Clarity With Judd Apatow | Encore

Modern Love

18:56 min | 1 year ago

An Interlude Of Clarity With Judd Apatow | Encore

"Modern love the podcast is supported by do. Eat this donate that. If you feel like it's time to finally end your war with food you'd this is the podcast for you food. We need to talk. Subscribe on Apple podcast. Or wherever. You get your podcasts high. Modern love listeners. Here's has someone changed your life with an act of kindness on WBZ wars kind world podcast. We tell stories about extraordinary kindness. And we'd I'd love to hear your story call us at six one seven three five three six three five zero and leave us a message telling us your story of kindness. That's six one seven three five three six three five zero produced by the island at WBZ. WARR BOSTON From The New York Times James and. WBZ Boston this is modern love stories of love loss and redemption. I'm your host Meghna chopper. Two Thousand Nineteen has been a big year for modern love. The column turned fifteen and for the first time it came to your television screen so this holiday season we want to revisit some of the essays that were featured in the Amazon TV show. Brian Guesses Essay is called at the hospital. An interlude interlude of clarity. It was adapted for episode five of the TV show and back in two thousand sixteen director Judd appetizer. Read it for the podcast. Here's Jut appetito. Tau Reading Brian Gibbs's essay. There's never a good time to fall if your couch onto Martini Glass Knick a major blood vessel and begin losing a dangerous amount of blood but having this happened in the middle of a promising date is an especially bad time. I demonstrated this last spring while on my fourth date with Brazilian woman so beautiful. I was almost afraid of her her after dinner in a home Italian restaurant we walked back to the apartment had just moved into in Brooklyn living in the city for the first time without roommates I was eager to take advantage of my newfound. You found privacy and things were going. Well there's something romantic about drinking from fancy glasses in an unfurnished room full of unpacked boxes. Miles Davis's in a silent silent way spun on the record player. I was amazed to have gotten this far as my friends are sick of hearing it made no sense to me that a gorgeous woman in her early twenty s who spoke four languages at live on three continents with spending Saturdays with me a thirty one year. Old bookish type from Pittsburgh each outing felt as if if I were sneaking into an exclusive club at the end of the night I always feared I'd be discovered and asked to leave. I realized that meeting someone. Wonderful is the whole point of dating but actually being with someone wonderful can be too stressful for me to enjoy. This stress is typical for me. I've been on anti anxiety medication for about ten years and on daytime consistently ask myself. Was that the wrong thing to say. Do I seem nervous. Will obsessing about being nervous make me appear more nervous not unusual question to ask yourself when meeting new the people but for me they can be paralyzing. Even the evening goes well. I often appreciated only later in from distance as if it had happened to someone else like dating into third person so far my success with this particular woman had been an exercise ignoring the reality of it which apparently also led me ignore the reality of my surroundings in general ask unraveled herself from our embrace on the couch to use the bathroom. I fell into the after dinner drinks at left on the floor. The glass slicing into the soft underside of my upper arm. Uh when I looked down I glimpsed my exposed triceps and more blood than I'd ever seen in my life. The cut had gone nearly to the bone. This is not the first time a date it ended with me in the emergency room. I seem to have a knack for it. My College Gopher served under-cooked chicken that gave me hallucinations in a fever of one hundred and four years later my attempt to Cook Breakfast for another woman ended in second degree Burns after I managed to set fire to a paper towel but the severity of his injury. It's unfortunate timing and the fact that I was naked Bacon all broke new ground in the ambulance. Emergency medical workers held together my arm. Their questions threatened to unravel my subterfuge isn't acceptable mate to this accomplished young woman. And how old are you one asked which put our substantial age difference. Something we had not yet talked about suddenly under spotlight you on any medication anti-depressants and Clinton I reluctantly answered then to her to see your boyfriend. Your friend long pause boyfriend. She blurted uncomfortably then an instant later friend even though I was riding in an ambulance surgery that one still stung to the entertainment taste of the hospitals overnight staff. I was still half naked when I arrived. My date had managed to get pants on me while we waited for the ambulance. I hadn't been able to let go of my arm at the time my shirt go on only halfway being wheeled into surgery like this alongside a woman in a sexy dress pretty much screamed sex injury. The next hour was a chaotic. He added blue of x-rays questions. I struggled not to panic about. Why does this waiver form as for my religious preference when I asked? I'M NOT GONNA lose my arm. Am I the answer was a troubling. I don't think so. Physical humiliation was next on the agenda before the operation. My date got to watch a nurse. Move my tasty. Fluorescent lit body out of my bloody jeans and into a hospital gown I pictured a sitting at dinner a week from now this unflattering snapshot of Me Hovering between us as I pointed it what I wanted the menu to the waiter with my hook arm then it was time. I remember that the lights in the operating room. We're very bright and I remember being told told they were about to start the anesthesia and suddenly oblivion. I woke in a haze my arm and my date. We're both still with me. The operation had gone well but protocol required me to stay in the emergency room for six more hours. This registered briefly is terrifying amount of time for a woman in me to be left alone with no dim lighting. No alcohol no movie to watch her appetizers to eat and no escape hatch. In the event of awkwardness. I'll never know of my com psychological a cocktail of adrenaline morphine and under relief or physiological. After six hours of unbroken embarrassment fear I was simply too exhausted. Whatever the reason I felt fine my dates I stared into mind with an uncomplicated? Tenderness made my head swim. This I thought is what it's like to be with this woman. Neither of US had changed but I was in a different world though. Six hours sailed by gloriously. We traded hospitals stories and endless jokes about Martini glasses. We talked about books in our families as we came up with an absurd screenplay idea a Har- movie said in a hospital. I was talking and laughing and effortlessly connecting with one of the most beautiful women I ever seen seen a woman I was truly falling for him. I was finally released. Are Mid morning. Cab Ride back to my neighborhood. It felt like a lucid dream. We ate egg sandwiches and the park and return to find the familiar surroundings of my living room splattered with blood. Through through a haze of sleep deprivation a residual morphine. I felt like a ghost returning to the scene of my own murder as we stood there mopping bloody footprints with our swifters surrounded rounded. Biwott it up pink paper towels thought. Either you will never see this woman again or she will stick around a long time Neither happened I would like to be able to say my story ends in an epiphany with the end of my anxiety in the beginning of an enduring relationship but the reality is she left me about a month later. Not because she found me repulsive in the fluorescent light of the hospital but for a more conventional reason listen. She missed her ex boyfriend. Sometimes when a guy really likes a girl gets a tattoo on his arm I got this prominent scar instead dead but there are times when I finger. It's deep groove and the six beautiful hours in the emergency room flicker in my head that I am reminded how close I am to an alternate alternate worlds in which I am happy a world that occupies the same space is this one. But it's somehow distinct from it and while that better world may it'd be difficult to find. It is close to me as the air in front of life face and a director and producer. Judd appetite reading Brian Gibbs's modern love peace at the hospital. An interlude of clarity and so as Brian any closer today to that alternate happy reality. He longed for in his piece. We'll find out. Ah The break Hi Modern love listeners. WBZ WBZ produces another great. podcast called kind world. We tell stories of extraordinary acts of kindness and how they've changed lives. has a stranger ever helped you when you were in trouble with someone there for you on your worst stay. Did you get an unexpected gift. That meant the world to you. We're looking for stories. Call us at six one seven three five three six three five zero and leave a message telling us your story of kindness. That's six one seven three five three six three five zero. When I was a kid everyone was trying to lose weight as salad? Pleased and it clearly wasn't fourteen. Please tell me my thighs. Don't look at that later on. I try dieting and I gained fifteen pounds food. We need to talk. That's the name of this podcast. I'm Java I'm Dr Eddie Phillips. We're going to help you get get to a healthier place with food food. We need to talk. Subscribe on Apple podcasts. For wherever you get your podcast. We're back this is modern. Some of the podcast. I'm meg nobody and joining me. Now is the author of that piece. Bryan Curtis Bryan. Thanks for joining us. Thanks for having me also with us. Of course Daniel Jones editor of the modern love column for The New York Times. Hi Dan Hi Brian. I my first question that just I have to ask you as you. Oh you make yourself pretty vulnerable in this column here verging on admitting to some humiliation. Maybe what made you want to share it with all of those readers of the New York Times. Most of the time that I was working on it I didn't think about anyone reading it at all. A friends kind of gave me the idea to write it but I think when he suggested he was half joking and I was kind of half jokingly writing it I didn't I honestly didn't think it was going to get I picked so I didn't have a lot of time to think about what it would be like to have lots and lots and lots of people read it so Dan In that case. Why did you pick it well? Well it's funny because I I I like when I hear that someone says I wrote it thinking no one would read it. Because that's the sign of someone who is is going deep and telling the truth and not trying to hide I guess and and what I what I loved about this piece it speaks to what so many people go through through on a first date trying to get to know somebody and you want to put your best foot forward and you want to not be vulnerable and that just runs counter to what getting to know someone is all about. You have to be vulnerable. But what's funny about Brian's piece is he is forced into that vulnerability in the most literal way to one class and Being whisked to the hospital there was something about the way that you ended the call. Alan Brian that's really stuck with me. Because they're talking about this alternative existence where you could feel happiness. That's not quite there with you all the time but it but it's there just in front of your face still feel that way. Yes sometimes I mean I. I don't think it was an experience that sort of magically fixed all all the problems I have with anxiety and that sort of thing I mean. That's that's kind of an ongoing struggle but it is Sort of touchstone. I guess I can refer back to now point of reference like a psychological and even spiritual point of reference. You know now you know what's possible in a way. It's not that you have to cut open your arm every time to make it but the sense that it is there and that sort of deep connection or just being real with someone and invulnerable with someone is there close and I. I like that Sort of realization at the end. You know Brian Judd Appetito. Narrated your story for us and we actually also asked him why he chose this one. And here's what he said. I think I was attracted to this essay because this is how I felt on dates. I really did think that every day it was going to say they had to go to the bathroom and then climb out the window and everything bad happened to me other than almost slicing open an artery that there's still time for that hopefully. Yeah so I mean there is a universality in in feeling vulnerable. And it's almost a rock doc. Bottom scenario in this what could be worse being naked thinking about on. Death's door with your blood loss. Actually I'm curious. Did the woman in the story. Did she know that her experience with you in the emergency room was going to appear in the New York Times No I mean me. Not Not until it was in the New York Times She actually really liked the piece a lot and then we ended up meeting up for a drink just to talk about it and then weirdly. We sort sort of ended up going on a couple more dates and kind of fizzled out again for good now given that you were talking about how That date wasn't the first time MHM you'd ended up in the emergency room has had. Has It happened since then to Actually actually I I I met someone that I've been seeing about six months and we actually ended up in the Er about three weeks ago. I was GonNa Cook Dinner for her at my apartment and just been grocery shopping and somehow As I was taking the bag of groceries off my shoulder I managed to dislocate my right thumb so much less life threatening. So another bonding experience. Yeah this was. This was a very positive one. And let's hope that you stay out of the Er as as you progress further through life. I believe me. I'll do my best well. Bryan Guinness is the author of this week story titled at the Hospital. An interlude of clarity. He's also the assistant director of Publicity at a Manhattan Book Publisher. Brian thank you so much for for sharing your story with us. Thank you and Dan. Jones editor of the modern love column for The New York Times is also author of love illuminated exploring. Life's most mystifying subject. Act with the help of fifty thousand strangers Dan. Thank you or pleasure special. Thanks to judd appetite for reading this week's essay. He's the director of movies like the forty year old virgin knocked up and train wreck. Modern love is a production of the New York Times and WB you are Boston's NPR station. It's produced directed and edited by Caitlyn. kief this episode was produced by Jessica Alpert original scoring and sound design by Matt. 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Monday, Nov. 11: Judd Apatow

The View

37:07 min | 1 year ago

Monday, Nov. 11: Judd Apatow

"Subscribe to our podcast to get hot topics delivered every afternoon. And while you're at it rate. US and Labor Review. It's your Monday upgrade. It has the view is live Haley unleveraged former UN ambassador Nikki. Haley claimed she defied top if trump advisers who wanted her help in undermining the president. They should've been thing that to the president. Is She angling to take Mike. Pence's place maybe the the gentlemen can I please have your attention. The man behind some of the funniest blockbusters in TV series Judd appetito weighs in on hot topics and and the savings Qigong comment all show long on a view your deal holiday takeover with everything twenty bucks or live light up hot topics with what B B huntsmen joy Behar Sunny Halston and and Meghan McCain. Now let's get. Things started the Veterans Day and we are honored and to welcome an audience. Full of service. Box servicemen thanks. Maybe new they made us aware of something amazing for a lot of different reasons so my mother received the Pat Tillman Award in honor of my dad ad over the weekend and the Tillman. Honors Annual Veterans Day event that's named for Fallen soldier and former Arizona Cardinal an absolute American icon Pat Tillman man who left his. NFL career behind serve his country after the nine eleven terror attacks. My entire family is so proud that this year's champion award which recognizes an individual dwarf outstanding civic contributions extraordinary fortitude and spirit of service was post home asleep presented to my father. There are four Thomann scholars in our audience today. Today Army veterans that veteran and military style. And it's just incredible. Pat Tillman is a golden God everywhere but an Arizona's like really Golden God. My friend's brother has his face tattooed on his arm. So it's just amazing and one final thing because it's veterans day. My my friends from Achilles international here in the audience and Achilles is the freedom team which I run with which serves wounded military personnel and Veterans Credit Organization. You how much I love them. Officially especially on board now so exciting. Everyone in here and thank you. Let me say that. It's really very special next year. I Want I. I walk it in all sincerity. I mean I'm not shape. If you WANNA come I would really love the last year. Yeah you can turn you ever sauntering. I'm Uber Okay. I'm assaulter Veterans Day though. I think I think it's the one day where you can't express in words. How much were so thankful for them? Yeah but today. It's about honor you. We celebrate you. It's because of you that we get to sit. Sit here every day and we get to say however we feel about things because of you there were still the most powerful country in the world and the safest and the freest and so thank you thank you to everyone. That has sir thank you everytime I I asked asked my brothers about them. They say we aren't heroes. We aren't veterans. Don't bring us out and that's just the mindset of our military. Thank you the. I feel the same way you know I was. I was just texting earlier with my cousin. Sean all of you have met who was injured terribly earlier. during his service and my other cousins Don L. Ron L.. My grandfather who was a merchant marine My Focal Joey was a Vietnam vet. Who all of you have met We just have a long tradition in my family of service So proud of them. When I brought a picture of my father who was in the Navy World War? Two Biz Gino. Oh yeah the husband. Steve Actually was in the Vietnam War too so we have a long tradition of that also. Does your dad have your hugh. Oh Yeah it was the gambler syllabi. Well you know. My son in law is a veteran. And and you know I come from a long line going back to the late. Eighteen hundreds hundreds of folks who fought and fought for a country that they believed it. They didn't always have the same rights as is everyone else and so they fought anyway because this is their country and this is this is why we demand that people get out and vote because people thought and die for you to be able to do the people say so. We had the longtime ago we were talking about. How people's perceptions of who the vets are and what their positions were you know vets go and do do the jobs then? I don't WanNa do. I don't know how to do it. I I don't have what it takes to go and do it. Yeah but you should recognize recognize that when people go out and do things that you don't want to do a thank you as always and so all of the all view regardless of what your politics is then turns are not dealing with politics. They're dealing with the straight up stuff of every day so we thank you no matter who you are and they said Yeah. We'll be back. Dr Campaign Sexism wants Senator and presidential candidate. Amy Clue resort says the only reason mayor Pete Buddha judge is still in the running is because he's not a woman when you come to this table there's no holding back thank burke consistently at this table tackling those hard subjects I respect the hell Outta and no backing down. If you think that I'm someone that's going to roll over again and this month. Are you ready for Judd appetite. Kristen Vow Jeff Goldblum Helena. Bonham Carter L. Google J. Evan Rachel Wood Ronan Farrow co-hosting. Jamie Lee Curtis Tim Allen and the one the only Dolly Parton it's Thursday we're celebrating Lippi's birthday we've got all her favorite things and a Broadway performance that will bring down the house. Everyone everyone we'll be talking about the view this month on ABC. Hey guys it's Greta here with a view year deal takeover throughout the show. We've partnered with vendors for amazing holiday items. That are all twenty bucks or less. I stop it steele number one. I love the look and feel of rock flour papers universally flattering komono scarf and wrap in one beautiful patterns and a one size. It's all for easy gifting. It'll be goto piece for sure. Originally fifty one dollars today. It's slashed by sixty percent to twenty dollars. Stay a tune for more deals so okay China following let me with this one former. UN Ambassador Nikki. Haley claims that she defied efforts from top White House. Advisers Rex Tiller Rex Tillerson. Listen and John Kelly who wanted her to help undermine you know who was decisions. They told her they were saving the country. But here's her. Take on what it was. Can you memorialize that conversation at definitely happened. It absolutely happened and instead of saying saying that to me they should have been saying that to the president. Not asking me to join them on their sidebar. Plan it should have been go. Tell the president what your differences references are and quit if you don't like what he's doing but to undermine president is really a very dangerous thing. Kelly claims that he was giving. You know who unbiased expert advice but if Hayley was so concerned why didn't she quit but she didn't she didn't she. Yes yes shit. Okay sorry just want to make sure so. She did quit. Faded out there things at play here that that I'm just again assessing the thing. There's been rampant rumors on Capitol Hill. That she is vying for DP. That trump is going to replace Mike Pence with her. I never believed that because it seems a little ridiculous. Especially since she equip the administration and she tweeted some things that have been against the president. I have a whole new view on this now because this looks like somebody who's very interested in having a good relationship with the administration administration David Fromm wrote a piece for the Atlantic where he said that she is obviously looking at the future of the Republican Party and it's still trump so if she doesn't want to be VP. Then that means she probably he wants to run for President in two thousand twenty four which she is not saying no about whatever this is. It's very politically motivated. It's very obvious than I under. I hear what she's saying about undermining being the president but I also why quit if you're concerned about what's going to mining the president the other day we were talking about this book anonymous with the person who says has that trump was. He's like a toddler running around the White House with no pants quote well. I'm quoting the book. It's an anonymous. I and who apparently is high in the in the administration who said this so why would you enable someone who is acting like that Tillerson and Kelly basically would be in good Americans in my opinion to try to control the toddler but here and the other thing is to your other point. He needs her. He needs her trump because he's losing white women will over the place white working class women and suburban women and trump. I mean pence has evangelicals. But it doesn't doesn't have all these women so he might want her on the ticket and they'll throw the best like it. Does everybody center feel the same way because tillerson December said publicly trump was undisciplined. Did but not like to read did not respect the limits of his office and that he would off the president would often say what he wanted to do and would say to him. tillerson would say you can't do it. That way violates violate the law and so it sounds to me that they were trying to not necessarily undermine him but save him from himself and and and and save the country. And so you I know I would stay and so if it sounds to me that they were going to Nikki Haley and say and saying can help us help us regionally legal. No I'm sorry Rex Tillerson did not respond to a request for comment John. Kelly declined to comment in detail but said that if providing the president with the best and most open legal and an ethical staffing advice from across the government so he could make an informed. Decision is working against trump than guilty as charged So that's McCoy McCoy. Yeah I find to be probably the most ambitious politicians Hillary Clinton I do and I don't call this a tell all book to me. These are all setup books. Don't read it to really get an authentic view of that person. What she's doing is trying to butter up to the right people that she can? She threw her win the election. You look at what she's doing. She's on the Board of Boeing. She's doing the speaking tour she has. This won't WanNA rethink Boeing she. She she wanna WanNa against I think Kelly and Tillerson. She's now going to be able to say see. I worked against the swamp is what she's calling them and I helped the president and withstand that. She needs help or the campaign is four. I agree with what you're saying but might take John Kelly served and he lost his son and it is veterans day and the idea idea that he has like some swamp creature Gazan served his country. I take such a fence. Yeah thanks for General Yes so I also on that point if she thinks twenty twenty four is soon it might as well be one hundred and seventy years from now and you don't think there's going to be bright shiny new objects coming up or not attached to some of I still don't don't like it especially women I think it's completely calculated political Jonah. Continue this I just had to you do all right. 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Haley is that she was also questioned in the same interview with Norah O'Donnell about impeachment and she said that she didn't think ultimately the president should be impeached because there was nothing to it she said asking for a favor that didn't happen happen and giving money and it wasn't even withheld that there's nothing to impeach him on and that's what I thought she's so off on it because just because you the bribery every wasn't completed doesn't mean it's not impeachable. IBM attempted robbery as a crowd. Of course it is attempted. Bribery is so actually. The prime of bribery is exactly listed in the constitution as an impeachable offense so the fact that she went that four out on a limb for Donald Trump made me believe what you're saying that she must be doubling gals. She she want quick she. I think it is a VP play. It just GonNa say it'd be it's uncomfortable just between us here in the room and all the millions of you say it is because she went that far you don't realize and you may vary. You don't really how quickly irrelevant you could become. She's not an elected office right now so she may fall off the map quicker than she realizes is not running either but why would she go well. She might not be worried but she did tonight. I think she won't run in the future so yesterday. Though this is this is the last two weeks have been all about women because because Senator Amy Klobuchar claimed that there's a big double standard on the campaign trail and it's a big reason. Why Mayor P is still in the race? Apparently take look. I'm focusing here on my fellow. Women Senators Senator Harris Center. Warren and myself do I think that we would be standing on that stage if we had the experience thinks that he had no. I don't maybe we're held to a different standard but my goal here is to get the best candidate to lead the ticket. I believe that's neat. Now she's pulling in about three percent nationally. Buddha judge is at seven percent. Is that sexism to blame or is this you know. Is this about people not maybe here in the message. Not Feeling her what. What do you think it is a couple of things number one? Recent Gallup poll said that ninety seven percent of Democrats willing to vote for a woman and only eighty three percent willing to vote for a gay candidate. So this audible. This idea that she's in behind the eight ball because she's a woman doesn't exactly hold up. When it comes to Buddha judge that would be one thing and also I I love her? I think she's brilliant and I think she's smart and she has great policies his but when I see her on. TV She comes across as a little too careful. Donald trump ran because he didn't think he would win and he was like whatever I say this I say this I you say this. It doesn't matter. I'M NOT GONNA win anyway. They almost need to take a page from that book. And stop being so careful that we don't even know who you are and mortgage. I think the Kyrie is a guy from a small town in South Bend Indiana. He has a resume as far as politics even Louisa that of course but he goes out there and he says I'm not GonNa win. That got to win wrote for a gay guy and he's himself and that's why people are responding. That's my resumes. A lot thicker in terms of politics. Sixth Donald Trump's resumes. He's he's been the mayor he's been the mayor for a long time. He is a vet. He's you know he went to Oxford. He went to Harvard. He seems to to be very thoughtful to me. The suggestion somehow that he is so unqualified. I don't think that's a good argument for her either experienced periods but he's only ever gotten the entire career ten thousand nine hundred ninety one votes. That's it that's how many votes he's ever gotten from. Yeah and he's used to be more popular because of that I think because that though he he's like now saying I gotta own this. I'm in it now. People aren't listening to people are taking me seriously the minute you start using racism and sexism. I think that's sort of calling after the same. Supporters are going after moderate. So they're coming here in a couple of weeks. I was GonNA talk comes back. I hope she's GonNa Amy. Klobuchar will be here live on Monday December number second. Okay and we'll ask her what the hey we'll be right back. You have magic okay. So in The New York Times tells you one of the Eighth News. podcasts worth listening to well he does say thank you so go on start smart we start here the ABC News daily podcast. Take us with you. Listen to us now. 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Star Trek: Short Treks | Season 2 Recap

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Star Trek: Short Treks | Season 2 Recap

"Star Trek Short treks are over. But we're just getting started here on post show recaps at. It's been a fun. Six tiny episodes assode over on. CBS All access and here to break down. Everything that happened in these bite-size nuggets of wholesome goodness that we're all meet just like a scallop. Please welcome the guy. That's always on my level. Mr Mike Bloom. Just you like eggplant. I plans fantastic. It's it's delicious. I'm lukewarm on eggplant personally. I love vegetables. That one's a little too squishy. See for me personally. It has a very triple like I guess texture to it not as hairy but definitely a sketchy but God help this planet if it reproduces as quickly as triples does especially if against a human DNA introduced into it that it raises so many questions. I feel like it's a whole like afternoon stuck in a turbo. Lift worth of questions. You have just raised right there. Oh my goodness jess. We have so much to talk about. We literally have three months worth of star trek material to talk about even though it amounts to what probably an hour or less of material and total. Yeah I think so. They varied in length. I think the longest one was about fifteen minutes. The shortest one was seven minutes. So if you had an evening the Binge Watch on this is pretty short hell if he had had some time at the Jim and some Wifi. You could probably bang these out while you're on the elliptical. You could burn three hundred calories and then you would have watched all all the short tracks and you would have cut away at that New Year's resolution that you made. Well I guess before we get into it. I figured you know there are people who are probably tuning in they recently found are star Trek Trek. Only podcast at post show recaps dot com slash star Trek. Subscribe if you haven't read some ratings and reviews especially as the season starts shameless plug right there and I'm sure they either either have it. Seen the short treks trying to figure out what is a short trek are is a regular star trek series. Should I be checking these out on. CBS All access. So so I guess should we give like a quick blanket statement as to what short treks are and where we've seen them before. Yeah this is the interesting thing that I think I have to keep reminding reminding myself of is this. We are standing in the threshold of a new entry. Point to what might be even even the entire star Trek universe like this could be. Somebody's very first star. Trek experience that they're about to have WOULD BE PICARD. which is launching in just a little bit over a week as we're recording this and to me like we've been so immersed in it you and I covering the second season of discovery and then summarizing summarizing the last batch of store short tracks? It's like we are up to speed on and I have to remind myself not. Everybody is some people are just tuning in now because because they want to watch picard whether they're old school fans or perhaps not even star trek people at all so I think it is really a useful exercise to explain that the short treks are basically. What five ten years ago we would have been calling web Assads Yes I unfortunately. They have not turned many accolades. As for example the office spin off the accountants. But yeah these are basically like five to fifteen minute shorts. It's that really just especially this season because we're talking about the second season of short treks just really cast a wide net ethylene web basically of John Laura and tone and content We did have this is again. And the second season of short tracks. We had the first season of short treks back when Alex Kertzman became these star trek czar of CBS between seasons one and two of discovery. I I feel like this was sort of like one of his big ideas. They come up with four about ten to fifteen minute short tracks right before star trek discovery season two as just talked about last last time. They all had canonical implications into the season and we weren't completely sure how they would restores around tilly. There was a story that was Sarah's origin story. There was something featuring Harry mudd and then there was one that took place way way in the future that almost like a Black Mirror episode and we had no idea what was happening happening now that we know exactly what or we think what short treks are. I would say that just across the board before we get into any detailed analysis of of it it feels like now that they have laid the groundwork as to what a short trek could be. They really started having fun in that space. And it produced six very airy-fairy different shorts to talk about. I mean the sheer amount of imagination. That went into crafting these six short tracks. It's really astonishing. And it really the highlight the vast -ness of the universe that they have to play around in and it's not surprising that we saw them kind of dabble in just about every genre possible to data Lynn. But also to visit different iterations of the franchise in really fresh ways. And the thing that a that has my head spinning really when it comes to these short tracks is just how many canonical implications the first set had and then in watching like this vastly varied and different and interesting and imaginative bunch of shorts. And thinking what am I supposed to pull out of here. It's like it's like homework like what. What's economical implication now? Do I have to guess what it is. And that's really card but at the same time I feel like it's also pieces. That can kind of stand on their own without canonical implications. I do feel like the first season because it was so tied into these discovery characters to the point where three out of the four of them were focused on characters we saw in discovery. You couldn't necessarily we watch them and again. Be that person that you sort of alluded to in that scenario of like hey I haven't watched star trek since. TNG coming back. Who the hell is Cadet Tilly? It's it's a little bit of a tougher sort of hurdle to overcome and getting immersed in this world as opposed to these which sort of have more of a base knowledge you know the greatest generation in which one of my favorite star Trek. podcast out. There posits this sort of idea that star trek is a place. This idea that it's really like a wholly developed world. Bree could have something like like the infamous lower deck's episode which is soon to be its own series where it's not necessarily focusing on our main characters but it's still is inherently trek because that embodying these values that fill out little entire universe and I feel like we got that in spades here and I don't want to run ourselves to ragged trying to guess the canonical implications of I'm sure we will because it's US specifically because one very specific one is going to have very really recent implications something that we're GonNa be talking about even the next couple of weeks a but I would say just as standalone pieces if you wanted to show someone like. Hey Hey this is star Trek in the in the twenty th century or I guess post enterprise the revival of it all. These are good representations. Yeah I would definitely agree with that. I think think and I don't want to go too far down this road because I feel like this is probably its own podcast series if not its own podcast episode and I also don't want to anger the fan boys but something I think star Trek always struggled with that star. Wars did very well. Well was have this sense of place as a universe where you could play around and there are so many different stores properties with different feels eales and different different sort of ambience at different styles of storytelling and especially now that Disney has acquired them and with the Mandal and Lorient being the thing that everybody is talking about right. Now I think the Star Wars Universe especially in recent years has been able to make that playground work for them in some really awesome awesome ways. And it's kind of fun to see star Trek kind of getting up on that level as well. Yeah especially covering so many different genres. You know we're GONNA get into it and I would say that the escape artists was the big mud episode from the first season was probably the biggest deviation in terms of tone where they were doing cut hardaway's and flashbacks which we usually didn't see even the most comical trek that we've seen you know over fifty years but I think again they use that as sort sort of a launching point to really go in a bunch of different directions. I guess we could say at the top Before we get into spoilers just thumbs up if people want to check out short trek season season two we. We think it's a good watch across the board right thumbs up for sure. I think no matter what your experience with the Star Trek Universe is if you are at all favorable bowl towards it I think short tracks are not a waste of your our exactly again like it's only an hour you could spend an hour watching ching much worse television. This will at least keep your interest peaked. And if it doesn't then just wait ten minutes and like any sort of Seattle type of weather it's going to change once more. Well that's the beautiful wonderful thing about having so many different ideas in tiny packages is they. Don't all have to appeal to you and again it goes back to you invoked Black Mirror. I think it's took much like that if you if you don't like one this skip ahead and watch the next one. You probably like that one a little bit better. Yeah definitely only one really had a real depressing ending and it was not the one that I think any of us expected at the outset. That's true and I have. I have a lot of thoughts about that. But that's probably we're GONNA have to save the most depressing and heart wrenching for last. Of course yes unfortunately so. And you know the the plotting of this as well I. I still think it's a little odd that they're dropping like these little L. Nuggets almost like their bread crumbs trying to lead us as some sort of content box to trap asunder when Picard Premiers on the twenty third with releasing these ten minute things every every month this time they did a weird thing where they had what like four months in six episodes so they did on October fifth and then the trouble with Edward was then the tenth so within a week and then we had one s not in November. Then we had to on the same day in December and then we had one in January area. So I'm assuming they're going to keep going with this they should. I think it's a fun opportunity to flex their muscles but their release plan still is fascinating to quote a character that we're going to be speaking speaking about very soon. Yeah it certainly. It is that but I think also I would guess that. CBS All access. Also probably didn't give a a lot of thought to the release dates. Because I think they they understand that they're not. They're not the all encompassing content platform that some of the other competitors are yet at this point and I think there are a lot of people out there that will buy. CBS All access for three months to watch discovery. And then cancel it and come back in a year when it comes back or people's kind of the same people that like buy it for the big brother feeds and then drop it at the end of the summer and all this other content is there incidentally but people don't seem to care as much when it dropped Yeah that's true. So if anything if you log on for your mom or your three months or full gear to watch CVS content. Then you'll be able to at least have a backlog of short treks especially if you're checking it out now until I guess assuming the end of twenty twenty or at the beginning of twenty twenty one season three will come inevitably rolling around especially since we'll talk about this next time but could if we already have a season to a picard coming up I can imagine a season. Three of short treks has also been sort of loosely. Green Light one would have to imagine but at the same time. It's also Oh. This is optional. Viewing this is very very much This is recreational viewing of if if your vocation is watching picard or watching discovery. You don't have to watch these and I feel like I would resented deeply if I came into discovery or if I came into picard feeling like because I did not watch a what amounts to a web extra. I don't understand what's going on. And I think they get very dangerously close to that and discovery last season with a couple of episodes. Really fleshing out things that didn't make any sense otherwise and so I a I kind of feel like these should feel very self contained and if there's an Easter egg in there that kind of deepens our understanding as we go further then great but I hope they don't set that tone where you have to have watched them right and I think what helps that is as we get into these. Is You know the the first three are I know. There's been a very understandable soon. Nami of support for a Pike Number One spock eventual who'll spin off series. I feel like these three together can sort of be like the back door pilot for those. The two animated ones are linked to the discovery universe. But they're not as you said sort of describing the current climate of discovery and the last one is as surprising segue into car. And that's probably the biggest connection to that Canon but that only happens when the last like thirty seconds. Yeah it's it's true and it's and if you weren't paying super close attention you might have even missed right. Exactly and Patrick Stewart makes a appearance on a big screen but has no lines. So if you've had your eyes away and you were waiting for Patrick Stewart's lovely a British baritone drone over your speakers. You wouldn't be hearing it in their forty might miss the connection. It's going to have but we'll be sure to get into it. Yeah well we'll get into that but I think think I agree. Probably just about ready to start diving into these episode by episode Mike so I want to give out one final spoiler warning if you have not seen gene. The short tracks yet stopped this now and go watch them. And then come back because we're about to dissect them and break down all the major plot points and so if you have not seen them that's going to be a fairly joyless exercise for you yes speaking of joyless should we get into our first segment considering the at least apparently joyless character or at least a different version of him. That gets the focus in this first short-track Q. and A.. Yeah I I guess I guess we gotTa do it Mike and we gotta we gotta ask all the questions because this is our only opportunity to ask every question that was raised by this short-track spock's I stay stay on the enterprise gene roddenberry. Who would have thought that he'd be able to produce characters that could then have them you know resonates so many years? There's later that they would not only revived the character talk about his first day. As an ensign of bright eyed bushy tailed ensign. Okay mic there are so many places in this episode where I thought this is like a fantastic. This is like somebody went into the old us. Net are cry of Star Trek Fan Fiction and just pulled something out and and filmed it. You see all the spark number one shippers like they were able to get one in under the door of Alex Kertzman. And he's like. Do you know what I think. We should publish one. One of these any knows somebody out. There wrote their fan fiction with that idea in mind that someday the universe would come calling and say we wanNA make this Canon. But but I don't really. I wasn't going to make this my very first point that I had to make about the short track. But I'm just going to say it. There's a certain the variety of fan fiction. Where all you do is lift out the Gilbert and Sullivan and you drop something else in there? And I'm just saying that. It's the pacing the dialogue the setup the contrivances to put these two people together in one place where nobody else is watching them and nobody else will know what went on most fan fiction that I read back in the day but to a very specific activity taking being placed. Under those circumstances in it wasn't it wasn't nineteenth century operettas yet but then wouldn't be titled. Qa It'd be like titled some sort of Random Lyric from A.. B Side my chemical romance song you know if it was truly within that realm yeah. I'll admit I've watched this actually aired the first time back in October and then I watched it again. Obviously Veasley to get myself abreast for this podcast and I was not a huge fan of it the first time you know I. I'd like to obviously really love with Anson. Mount as Captain Pike Enjoyed Ethan Impact Ask spock had no opinion on Rebecca remain is number one because we barely barely saw her in season two star trek discovery. So I was intrigued in focusing on this but I guess when I re watched it again and I focus less on like you said the sixty Sitcom aspects of it all and focused more as a number one character piece actually enjoyed it a lot more because I feel like this is what I personally want him when I heard that Rebecca Romaine was coming to star trek discovery. We barely saw any qualities out of her aside from what Pike told told us about her. And now we're finally seeing happen. We're seeing her own sort of personal philosophy as to how to lead. We see her own lear. Little Weird Quirks. You know the the way what happens when she becomes unbuttoned how she throws herself headfirst into a situation so she when it means a revealing herself. Personally I I talk from that perspective. I enjoyed it even if the plaza. Little hackneyed yeah. Maybe but I felt like maybe it's just because the idea of Rebecca Romaine as number one who is number one is a character from the very early star Trek Canon with a very a very important legacy you know that was the very that was the unaired pilot of Star Trek featured number one with Barrett in the role and she became such an important fixture of Star Trek after that. So that we're going back to the pike and number one of it all and that we're casting a heavyweight like Rebecca Romaine who is amazing in almost everything she does. I guess maybe my hopes were to built built up. Here is the bits we got. Her discovery made me think yes. We need this spin off. We need the series but this character is not well developed developed. She's not terribly well written. And the attempts to give her depth that humanity just felt like they were throwing darts at a wall like. Oh what random little work should we give ever. Oh she'll be into this thing and I really don't feel like I know her any better than I did at the beginning of it. Yeah I do think her hypothesis. This is interesting this idea of okay. If you want to be a leader keep your weirdness to yourself keep your freak flag folded away under your. You're bad because you can't lead like that. which I feel like star? Trek history has made all of us. Fundamentally disagree I mean look that someone like John Luc Picard like he has a weird hard on for things like architecture and horse riding and he is more than happy to let those quirks fly out because he knows is that people are still going to respect him. At the end of the day. People are not necessarily going to respond to like this hardened robot of person. It's true I think the humanity of the captain is what makes people believe in rally behind the captain. We kind of we delved into that quite a bit. I think in the first season of discovery I think arguably with with Lorca as the kind of complicated creature that he was and you'd get people to break rules for him and and so to come to this idea that the captain can't be a person who relates people on any other level I mean voyager also you had Janeway who was I think more of that philosophy but also would struggle with it and had mobile she needed to have those human connections because because there was nobody at her level because they were stranded in the middle of nowhere and she had to let those walls down every so often and it really really. I think when you have a character whose whole thing is they can't show you who they are. That's going to be hard to take a whole series as of that and it makes the character much less believable. I know that you have in the past about why you know. In the twenty third twenty four th century. Three people are obsessed with the pop culture from the twentieth century. What do we think about pop culture from the nineteenth century because this is not the first time we give dabbled and Gilbert and Sullivan Jess and the Star Trek Universe and it is very interesting that these guys stood the test of time? Yeah being how often does Gilbert and Sullivan come up a a hundred years. After they were a thing. Yeah I mean you'd have to imagine how I feel like it has to be taught starfleet academy you know like in school when you when you have to like recite the road not taken or like the Gettysburg address. 'cause I mean the other one example I can think of is star trek insurrection When they're able to data went rogue and Warfare Picard or able to like sort of she? Pimm back on track by singing Gilbert and Sullivan here. It appears that they're both you know. closeted Gilbert and Sullivan freaks number one in spock. Yeah that's also weird. Because I mean I guess spock is half human and maybe Amanda had a big thing for it but you know if you're growing up upon Volkan and we already know that Sarah has this very it. I would say almost a phobia of earth culture and it was all him like blocking it from spock and keeping Amanda from breeding like Alice in Wonderland to him. So it's like Gilbert and Sullivan is considerably more earthy than Allison Wonderland and I find it very hard to believe that. This would be a Korir Facet of Spock's identity either so yeah yeah I think it's it's gotta be something they teach starfleet and I know I'm already I would say this podcast dropped and we're twenty three three minutes into it. I would say twenty four minutes after this podcast drops. I'm going to start getting people asking me on twitter being. Like how dare you. Gilbert and Sullivan are going to be timeless and okay. I'm not disparaging them. They are As far as OPERETTAS are concerned they are masters of form they they are masters of word. Play it's great musically. It's catchy. It's on I don't see it being something that's as tip of everybody's tongue as it seems to be in the Star Trek Universe but then again I could be wrong. I'm sure I'm sure the equivalent of me in the sixteen. Hundreds of Shakespeare Guy will move beyond that eventually me to that point. Maybe there's like a Gilbert and Sullivan to that's GonNa come up in the next two hundred years there's you know like they're going to bring it back and a new cool way and that's why everybody knows the Monitor Major General Ed. It's like you know the new spice girls. Yeah or like when like when a hip hop artist samples and old funk tune and then suddenly it's back in the consciousness like my date myself by using a thirty go to your old example but when everybody started listening to Super Freak again when MC hammer sampled it. I'm sure there's a matter recent example. Yeah exactly Speaking of Spock doc in poor Ethan pex I would say you know I felt bad for a sorta like monotone singing voice but I do remember that spot still does have a history of singing again again. Going back to the much beleaguered star Trek Five. I will never forget warbling out row. Row Row your boat while they're camping but we talked talked about. Rebecca remain any thoughts about Ethan Peck spot. Considering that you know we saw him at the end of discovery season to back in the similar the Textbook Volkan bowl cut. He's pulling it off here as well. Granted this canonical or chronologically. Before the events of discovery season two do. But well did you. Did you have any thoughts about Ethan. Peck brought here to the short. I thought it was a very sparky. Spock I thought I thought they the meditations on like his facial expression were interesting because that seems to be a very big departure from the spark that we know from the original series very unscrew table. And and it's like oh you were smiling when we beamed aboard. And it's like Oh are we meant to believe that all of his Volkan inscrutability beaten into him over his career starfleet because that doesn't make sense either right the spock's mark and we saw that I think in the discovery season two trailer as well and yet to your point. That's the big discussion point around. Like what differentiates eventuates Ethan Peck. Spock from Nimoy spock and yeah it really makes you think okay. I guess did a working in these very hard emissions on the enterprise prize that sorta weather him down to where he no longer smirks address idea of adventure is just old news to him. Like it is number one at this point. I think I think it's a valid theory. I think it's it's better than anything else I've been able to come with come up with but I think it is a very. I think it's hard to argue. That even spock is a much warmer spock than the spark that we originally saw. Yeah it's began again which I can imagine. It probably got pretty hot in terms that turbo left right and not in the salacious way. I'm saying the there's one seaney lift out the pigging you put in something else and everything moves exactly the same way. It's like the time that the time that that one Pornography Writer wrote a porn movie. That was an like a lost episode of Star Trek the next generation but it just had porn it and you could lift out the porn and it would be a real episode. Yeah exactly you could just take that one slo Mo shot of Spock grabbing number one around the ways when he tells her when she tells him to hoist them up and then just like make make a video around that and that's a new version of can we called like a or something and one hundred percent. There is not much you have to do this to to make it it into the NC seventeen fan fix that lurked about on us net in the late nineties. Yeah absolutely do you have anything else you want to say about and I will say this is not my least favorite but I would say probably bottom half again. I thought it was solid enough. I enjoy at least what they were attempting to do with number one's character actor. If this was sort of a first way to kick off coverage of this new enterprise it could be worse at least showcases these new characterizations durations of characters. We already know. Yeah I mean it definitely didn't make me want an enterprise spinoff less but I I would say I tend to agree with you and it's very hard for me to rank all these just because they're so vastly different and I think they're all you know they're all baseline successful at what they're trying to do but yeah. This one isn't one that I'm GONNA go back and Rewatch one hundred times so I would say in that regard. It's not one of my favorites. writs I also I found. I found the central premise of it to that What it's your first day on a starship and you have the senior leadership in in front of you should pepper them with questions until they're exhausted and don't WanNa look at you anymore? I found that a little iffy as well be the worst co worker ever are consistently ask questions while other people are trying to do stuff but I guess it brings his inquisitorial nature though. I do wonder as we segue into the trouble with Edward because I imagine so. This person Lucero Jess if they're coming from the enterprise. Assuming was this spock's predecessor at this short take place before the last one. I think well I think relatively concurrently then. Because if she left and they brought on somebody new that was probably pretty seamless so so maybe they they actually do happen concurrently. Yeah I suppose so. Obviously this is going to predate the actual appearance of the triples because his sorta like triples origin story and when we find them in the infamous trouble with triples episode in. Yeah I guess this is sort of like a weird rash. Amman way of looking king someone beaming off and someone beaming on to fill the same position. Yeah I kind of love that when you when you juxtapose the two like that. That makes it a lot more interesting. I think but I think we. I think this is a very good segue into trouble with Edward and I have a lot to say about this episode. Yeah this is when we really start getting into more of the canonical track again. Because this has I mean you could you call it an Easter egg if it's really the focus of the episode. Are we just calling it. The Easter basket at that point. Well this is the thing that makes me really worried Mike. Because we because we ended up having so much the previous set of short tracks having actual bearings on the goings on of discovery season to this may be really concerned that this is not the only reference to triples we got in the short treks. Are we getting triples in Discovery. Please let us not get triples in discovery. I don't think anybody was asking asking for that. Nobody was clamoring for it week. which not because the last time we saw triples chronologically was in trouble with triples where it was that big? Jake laughed line at the end where they're like. Well we just being onto the with the Klingon so it's their problem now so I mean we are going thousands of years into the future. Maybe maybe the triples have become like I don't know buff and like operating android bodies or something to make them deadly weapons of terrorism. I'm not entirely sure. But maybe this could just because this is directed by Daniel Gray Lung Geena written by Graham Wagner. I don't know the trick credits. That either one of those have so something tells me this is more so like two guys coming in saying. Hey this is sort of a fun origin story that came up with its if Judd appetito didn't episode of Star Trek about the trebles. That's true and I don't WanNa be that Guy Mike because that guy is going to be adding US relentlessly throughout our podcast. I if past experiences any indication but I think chronologically the last time we actually saw troubles was at the end of the deep space. Nine episode trials els interpolations. Oh you're right about that. I forgot that they made a return appearance and they have kind of a laugh line at the end of that one where they are carting wheelbarrow full of triples off of deep space nine and they have the problem all over again so triples. Could you know they could ebb and flow across across time. I think is the moral the story here but I do think the triples are less important here. Let's let's just go with. The troubles are less important as a device here and it's more this episode is about. We rarely see someone in the Star Trek Universe especially in starfleet being bad at their job. Bob Say what you want to about you know a Barklay but like a kid lease was sort of a genius engineering and throughout all the Barclay episodes. They're like no. You're really good at what you do. You're just freakishly socially inept and we run into Edward here. Who is he's good at least in like he's able to think outside? The box comes to genetic engineering but in basically every other facet of his job he is not a good employee. He's really watching him in. The meeting was really cringe. -I it was. It was hard to wash because I think we've all seen that person in a meeting if you've worked in an office and probably a good portion of us have been that person in a meeting like oh I didn't know we were sharing. Okay yeah absolutely. And like he definitely is like I would not say he's going like full Jerry. Actually I think the Jerry Gurvich of the Cabot the really interesting waffle iron looking ship that Lucero Sarah and her crew serves basically. This would be like an episode if Jerry Gurgaon was able to like 'cause this massive sue Nami paperwork in the parks and REC office is that basically just like runs everybody out of the building that's essentially the equivalent of this episode and I spoke about it before how D- escape artists felt very return. Only different when it came to comedy and this was an even further jump in my opinion I think we went to war. Peer because again I invoke judd. Appetites name this really really felt like almost like I don't want to invoke the oracles names as I know there's sort of like a star trek competitor slash comparison in these parts. But this sort of felt like a Steph McFarland take on things we're like it felt like a very modern comedy quote Unquote cringing take on a star trek episode. Yeah I think so. Especially the conversation. Shouldn't they had where this conversation is over it. He's like yeah. I'm still talking. Yes it'll say. Words reams of like Seth Rogan and Katherine. Hi Goal title in a room. Where they're just riffing off one another and they keep the camera rolling that I had that in my notes exactly it was also and I think that comparisons also are inevitable to archer because of the actor playing? Edward Ob is h Jon Benjamin. Although to me he's always Bob Belcher especially like when when he started going off about protein. And I'm like Oh yeah. This is Bob's burgers situation. And we're definitely getting a triple burger on the menu at Bob's Burgers sometime next season but There is a very archer sense to it where he is much like Sterling Archer. He thinks he is very very good at his job. And to the point where he knows more than anybody else in the room and turns out he is actually not that great at his job and that kind of the kind of Hubris and entitlement is also very entertaining to watch in Star Trek Paradigm. Yeah put them into the danger zone and yeah I'll admit yes I think on paper you look at this and you're like okay. This seems a bit too against the grain of what we see from Star Trek. But for what it's worth I could not stop laughing during this and maybe it's just because again the sensibilities to which has sort of been acclimated especially with modern day. Comedy is like we just mentioned but you know I wrote down. So how many lines like h h Benjamin just has a way of sort of like trailing off or not tripling off things like it was broken. Thank you for fixing it by the way it would definitely awfully was broken him as you mentioned talking about how the nutritional value of the triple how it's blood red underneath like scallop him deciding riding you know hearing that Oh these creatures are intelligent. Therefore it's immoral to eat them in him. SIT coming up with a solution to genetically engineer. Them to be brain damaged even though triples or not not exactly highly advanced to the point where he says one rolled off his desk and pretty much died. One and one. Yeah what did it for me was near the end when they sort of have a meeting about what to do about this. The image of that Guy Walking through with this giant vacuum pneumatic tube hanging over his head head and just sucking up triples get David Wallace. Sold the second yes. I cannot stop laughing at that image. And I think that's like a microcosm of this episode. Is that like this. This is a really goofy short trek and actually might be more of the darker ones considering it ends with a you. You know a space shuttle getting ship getting shut down and becoming inoperable and somebody dying but it is very darkly comic in that regard. I I thought that it was totally consistent across the board and if you have that sort of gallows humor like the idea of the triple falling off the desk and doubting instantly in that being a good thing I I think if that's your sense of humor this is definitely this definitely hitting the sweet spot and this was by far far my favorite of all of the short track so that should tell you something about my sense of humor. I will say the one thing that did not gel with me completely was the bing in. Crosby Johnny appleseed Song because I was trying to remember I don't think they had that not os episodes. I'm a little confused as to why that got brought in. Well I think there I think gets more that they have this song about somebody. That's creating a verdant forest of new life wherever he goes right but I hate it when they bring in Twentieth Century Music into the Star Trek universe reasons. I have ranted about at great length in the past. Hold your breath until we get to later installment of treks about it was just really interesting because yeah like you said it came out of nowhere. I mean speaking speaking of seed I was personally a little confused as to the genetic engineering. That was going on here because it seemed like everyone blanche at the idea that Edward Mixed his own. DNA NA with triples to you know get this effective essentially being born pregnant. I mean should we be. Should we be going full bloom with our assumptions nations as to how Edward utilize quote unquote genetic material. Just want the record to show that you're the one that brought that up. I truly my name you know. I'm my my brand shows like the dots on that trail crew member who can show for half a second yeah. PS excited trills. I'm I'm a big fan of drills. Yeah and it was wondering I'm like I wonder if that's like a past ask decks person. That was trying to do the math now. This is probably the Kurds on life cycle so it probably was not Kerr's index now it would have been now. Don't don't make me do this because I I can't And actually I think Jesse was the first one that was formerly in starfleet. Although the first DAX host was there are at the treaty that created the federation. So I go boy I highly recommend. There's a great anthology series. If you're super trills it's called. The lives of Dax in in each chapter is about a different DAX host. Well if the trills trill you be sure to check that out. Oh boy that's that's bad but it's not as bad as the roads. Were trying to take this down where we contemplate exactly how the human DNA got in the triple. Because I think we are meant to put our minds. There are and be horrified and disgusted by it and also but also that's Hilarious to contemplate and also gross terrible and it's many things at once. It's I think great art inspires a broad spectrum of emotions. So I guess on that note. Oddly enough I mean are we supposed to be sympathizing with Edward. Are we supposed to feel like he's an idiot late. You know in the same. That Lucero does when she ends up addressing that Council so at the end of it again this. It's this is you know. I think I'm purely for the sake of comedy but I do wonder if it's trying to make feel a certain way about the titular character. I Yeah I think. I don't think you are meant to like him. But I don't know I went on the Star Trek sub. Read it to see to take the temperature of the various short tracks and the uniform opinion in the Star Trek sub read. It was that this guy was better at his job than the show is giving him. Credit for and Lucero was bad at her job and that we need to have more sympathy for Edward. I'm like wow. This is kind of read it in a nutshell and I'm not going to take the opinions of any of these people seriously. Wow who knew it. I guess we're GONNA see the continuing adventures of Edward Just screwing his way up across the galaxy. Actually maybe I shouldn't use the word screwing Edward in the same sentence. Let's dial L. The Bloomberg about fifteen to twenty percent. There that's interesting I mean I guess you know what he did was genius and I guess we have seen in several times in Star Trek Canon about someone suggests something they get shot down by leadership but then still does it and received a slap on the wrist. Instead of what Edward got though we eventually you know even though he does get fired and I guess we'll see what happens when you get fired in Star Trek or the Edward Way which is is just you lose your pants and your entire uniform I also do like the We were wondering I think whether or not this time would use like the disco uniforms or are going with the enterprise uniforms the red blue and yellow and it seems like this ship is going for an entirely. New Design of Uniform Navy blue uniforms. Yeah it was interesting but I I quite liked it. I thought I thought it was interesting. The way that each different kind of ship like maybe this has to do with the fact that it's a research vessel so and combat vessels and you have like strategy vessels diplomacy vessels. Maybe everybody has different sort of meditation on the central a uniform concept because we also have seen in the past in the Star Trek Universe when they roll out a new uniform design. It doesn't happen instantaneously even though they have the technology where it could. It's like sometimes one ship is still wearing the old style. Uniforms valley other ship has gotten into the next wave. Yes so then I guess the question is is this the new style that they're trying out and do we think that because the cab just died as a research project so did the prospects of these new uniforms and that's why we never see them him again. It could be but we also don't spend a lot of time on research vessels like I don't think anybody is clamoring for the Star Trek Research. Sh I mean they got people complain about the excessive amount of science in Discovery. I don't think they want more science. I personally I would watch it. I'd be here for it because I I was enjoying all of the talk of experimentation and methodologies in discovery but I can see where there's a hard limit to how much of that the general general public can take to be fair they could only make. Fbi Science maybe work I think FEMA research would definitely not work. Yeah it just gets too far into the weeds. Yeah absolutely although Edie. Edie Buddy who has pursued higher ed eight especially like in a very very small insular environmental your department. The Smog Department is the better the drama. So I'm saying like Star Trek Research Vessel. There's there's a lot of room for interesting things to happen. Well there's a lot of room in general but the triples quickly filled it up. Yeah although not as much room as there was on the enterprise with that turbo lift like what space time were they bending in there. I don't know man. I mean these triples possess the ability to essentially break the space time. Continue you might being born pregnant. I feel like they can really do anything. We are GONNA talk about how powerful tardy grades are but triples might trump them. What if what if it's a What if a target rate and a triple split their DNA my God? I think that's going to be like the New Dominion that's going to be the end of the universe as we know it. Yeah that's going to be like It's going to be like the main room of the cabinet with the triples exploding in every direction. But it's going to be the whole universe doing that. Yeah we'll think about it's a creature creature that can instantly replicate by budding and also something that can apparently travel through time instantaneously. Yeah it it they are everywhere all at once and then there's going to be an entire star trek series about going back in time to assassinate Edward so that it never happens. Yeah Yeah it's it's there. Although I do think I think they they do take great pains to note that he dies at the end of this episode and that they just sort of sent the triples off to the Klingons again but I think they left. It open ended enough. That if there was a real outcry see Edward Larkin like as king of the triples they could make it could happen or to see like how he got onto the cab you know like did he fail upwards from being a starfleet cadet where he ended up finding himself himself on this research vessel to begin with. Yeah it's very interesting but I think it does raise a good point that not everybody that you're going to run into and I think it's it's is to the exact point the Captain Pike makes the beginning of the episode and not everyone is on your gives. The advice don't show any weakness or they'll eat you alive which he says he's kidding about but Edward Does get eaten alive a bit from the triples as well so actually. They ended up being more prophetic worse than he thought. I guess so and I I would. I would argued that maybe maybe Lucero had. She been a little bit more forceful from the outset. Like why did she let him go back to the lab. Yeah I'm not sure short. It seemed like for someone who you know. Usually we're in some situations when people get you know unceremoniously released from their job. Usually they have to get escorted immediately off the premises premises. Seems like I've just given free rein to sort of Rome about. I know that maybe things are different in space. But like you'd think you'd welcome to the transporter room in like being them off immediately early right. I mean that's that's what I would you know if they're if they're too far from anything. You know confined to quarters. Don't let him back into the lab since send someone with. They need to go pick up his plans or something. Yeah exactly or bring him to the brink and put one of those weird like low polygon video game masks over him like we're going to see in this next one. I love that thing all right. I think we're pretty much. Were closing the hatch on this one here Eh. Leaving all the triples behind but there are triples in this episode as well or no. We're skipping ahead. We're going to ask not next right. Yeah I mean listen I'm uh-huh foreigner few if we're script us as not I will admit was my least favorite just because personally I kind of guessed the twist halfway way through this eight minute short. Yeah I feel like maybe triples would have made this one better. Well I think the issue was so for those who might not remember or you haven't seen it. Basically we get in meteorites. The one thing I do like about this I like about some of these short treks in general. Is We very different title sequences for each one one. This one starts here where we just get these ominously close up semi here this yellow alert. That's going on on the on the star based and then the wall explodes loads and then we get the title of ask not but it turns out there's this cadet stay to WHO's working on the star base and she's brought a prisoner in the form of Captain Pike. Pike who mutinied on the enterprise and has been brought to you know I guess her being this unconventional jailer. And he's trying to convince her to essentially let him go and let him get back to the mission at hand and Surprise Jess Monsters Inc. style it turns out to be a big drill that starts to be the I guess the final test for city as she formerly gets brought aboard the enterprise at the net a lot less screaming than Monsters Inc. though yeah not as many robot kids unfortunately are evil evil plans being outed i. I guess the reason why I was so suspicious about this being a journal is because we know so much about Anson Mount just Captain Pike and visted not feel very captain. Pike like to me especially in that first half you know I feel like Captain Pike would not be somebody to try to use. Someone's someone's husband as leverage to guilt them into freeing him. Yeah and then yet again Mike. I think it's it's the same thing that happened in the previous short-track where We have seen this play out in other star trek series in other episodes where we have. I've had the situation of somebody being imprisoned wrongly and having to convince everybody that they're correct and everybody else is wrong. And then the right thing to do in that instances to let them go and do their thing and just the same as Out We've seen one hundred times. Somebody go against direct orders and and be correct and save everybody because they didn't listen to authority and so it's it's funny that the moral here is kind of exactly the opposite as we've seen every success story in the Trek Universe right because I think a pike even outlines you know what she did right here which was basically like. Hey Yeah I provided you with all these outs but you made hard decision and you know quite literally. She holds a him at phaser point when he tries to leave and seem like she was about to pull the trigger trigger before she realized that no the JIG was up. Let's bring up candid camera. Yeah and this was also like they do this to every cadet that joins is the enterprise. What's what happened to the to the Kobayashi Meru? This is deeply at Ascalon. At least people that are doing the Kobe Meru. They know they're in a simulation like this is some black mirror level stuff. Yeah this white bear all over again just a you know I guess unless maniacal way I guess like what she. I'm assuming them were they on the star base and they just faked a yellow alert and had this whole pike situation brought up what she stationed there to begin with and how many people had to be in on this. Yes exactly like the people in the star based like all right. I guess we're just running this drill again so like you're going to hear a yellow alert but really it's not really a yellow alert. This is just a test the cadets before she ends up beaming onto the enterprise and also them sure they still have the Internet in the twenty th century This is GonNa get get out. This is GonNa leak like you. You just go on to like Enterprise the you know the bread of enterprise leaks and somebody is going to have said you know when you become a cadet and you go onto the ship. They're going to put you through this drill where you they pretend that you are taking care of the mutinied captain and like isn't the captain supposed to be captain. Howdy cadets let's join the ship on a weekly basis and is he just like pretending to mutiny? Five Times a week as new cadets arrive I I wonder then in that case. Do you think starfleet Mike get Busted for hazing if it ends up leaking out the merciless things that number one is making these cadet stale or maybe this is just what they do with command cadets like maybe for science officers they pretend astronomy and elevator. Well you know. She wants to be an engineer and she ended up in engineering. So I guess this is the engineering test. Yeah this is the engineering guest but also this is a weird thing to make your engineers do. Yeah it's a little different than when Wesley crusher had to face off against those three other cadets with like hey hurry. Something else was happening balance out these levels really quick on this computer I I will also say this had probably the weirdest ending of all six short tricks where you know great cities now going to be working in the enterprise. She's in the engine room and she turns to Pike and she says hey just so I know was the plaster I used loaded Aka like could I have shot and killed you if it went that afar and he just goes around and just walks away like that's not a laugh line. You're just implying. I guess you could have shot and killed me. I could have died as a result of this drill so close on that. Don't Iris two credits. Yeah so I guess. We're given to understand now that captain. Pike spends most of his time As captain of the enterprise playing human Russian roulette with new recruits. That's the only way you can live now. Jesse's experienced so much of the university. Diversity has to hold his life at stake every single day and it should its hands. He's got put out cigarettes on his arm. Just feel something siddhu throws goes down the plaster be like I don't want to do this. It goes off and then he gets shot and killed. It could go wrong so many ways and I said imagine if you look luke rig it up with like you know a false charge or something so that if she does shoot then you know the lights come up like oh you did it. You know you would have killed me to prove to the to stick with your command to starfleet welcome aboard. Don't worry I'm alive. This isn't a dream so detail anybody in the blood on your hands balloons fall from the ceiling in this universe. I thanks so like I. I WanNa make this like a publisher's clearinghouse type A surprise you know 'cause they're doing something. They're putting them in a very stressful horrible situation. And I understand also. I wonder when this took place. Because you know there's a reference to war. Pike says I know this type of challenge may seem extreme. It'd be inhumane. But wars both of those things so maybe he this was sort of like in the midst of discovery season. One you know post Michael Burnham screwing things up when the Klingons and the federation were at war. Yeah but even if the things he's not loaded like how awkward is that then if you make the choice to shoot the captain and then it's like oh it wasn't loaded and now he has to be your captain and he's your boss and you have to look. I ever date knowing that you almost killed him. I mean to be fair again if he does a number of times then he's theoretically filled a ship with those people and you like you're sitting in the mess hall with all the other cadets I I like yeah yeah it killed him too yeah me too. It's all a bunch of Pike shooters on the enterprise that Brownnoser over there. He made the right choice. Yeah yes this was. This was a weird one. In my opinion again there were some interesting things there. My God do I love Anson. Mount is Pike. He'd just it's so much fun but I will say that. This was a weird Yousef in just a short trek in general it was. It really felt very very it. Felt very incomplete. It was not an idea that had been workshop enough. Yeah I agree like I think it was interesting that it was so short but yet only had one quirk and see to it and then we just went right to the enterprise. I can't even explain what was going on. He had come with me and they played aboard the Enterprise. So I mean we were really taking along for a very quick ride though. I think it would be interesting if we get more insight as to. Maybe how current captains interact with starfleet cadets. The thing yeah and we get it we get it across the Star Trek Universe in various points like. I think we did talk a little bit. There's an episode so to Star Trek the next generation where you have Card spending a lot of time with Cadet Wesley So I think it's not unheard of but but it's also it's like that's not a dynamic. I need to see very much. Yeah I think that you know again we. We saw a bits peace with it through who was lease is in but I guess maybe in terms of current crew interactions with with neophytes. It seems like neither Carter. Discovery are going to focus on. I don't know maybe maybe we'll see something like that and the lower deck's mostly what tests they had to go through. Maybe they like shut pike in the foot or something and then that puts them sort of on the lower rung of the things. Yeah like they don't ever get to be on the bridge because you know you have a pretty broad spectrum of ranks on the bridge of any given star Trek series and so all the people that don't get to be on the bridge like maybe those are the people that failed this stupid test. Yeah I also feel bad because I feel like of the myriad like warp core failures earlier. That have happened on the enterprise. I feel poor do probably ended up passing in one of them just due to being in that engine room which is definitely the most dangerous place in the ship. Yeah for real. Like engineering is not the job you want. Yeah exactly 'cause I remember number one made reference to like somebody in engineering being not being Montgomery Scott. So maybe that's why he got booed is because he was killing too many cadets. Maybe so maybe it was Edward uh-huh Well Edward. Edward is a protein specialist. So I don't know how that would translate to working with the warp core but I also don't how oh trout's relate to calm climatology so it's anybody's guess it's science science. Okay so I think I think we can close the. We can close the book on ask. Not I think we've we've dissect the premise to death. Let's go let's go next to looney tunes in space. Yeah F-from and dot which first of all interesting that they gave them names and didn't tell us the names. I believe the robot is called. Because I think it's name is like dot dash seven or something. I it took me a little while to read up. I guess we remember just from the season. Two Finale of Star Trek discovery discovery. And we're like hey vernal those little robots come from these are one of the little robots and the ABA revisiting our old friend the tar grade who we had an experience SINSA since poor stam. Damn it's basically like became a targeted human hybrid disco season one. Yeah he put on Tardy Grade. Dna Him Oh boy the Nothi Edward Wade luckily well. We still don't know what the Edward Way is but we can only guess. Yes so this was interesting. This was the first of two animated. It's short treks. Which I'm very happy? I guess this is probably the last time we've seen animation since star trek the animated series. Right all the way back in the seventies yeah and the look and feel of this is very much star Trek. The animated series like. I watched that I watched this and I was like bright back there. It is very much like it's very much like nineteen sixties looney tunes crossed with Star Trek. The animated series. It was very physical. This episode holds a place place in my heart because it was written by crystal vestry at the Moonville but probably most importantly. At least from my purview it was directed and apparently only scored as well because of course by Michael G Aquino who has done so much fantastic work but I personally know in love him best from from his work across lost which. I'm currently recapping on down the hatch with Josh Burglar so it was cool to see him. You know go from the island into space here and I mean from a directional channel perspective. He had a lot of flashy action physical sequences to direct and I thought they went well. They flowed smoothly which sometimes even an animation can't if you don't have the right director yeah and certainly I have gained a new appreciation for Michael J. You know just by listening to down the hatch because you bring him up so often and I think I had not registered that he was also the director of the episode although the scoring was very distinct And and yeah he really. The music is almost its own character in this piece because it it pushes the actions so well and the way that it all fits together. It's it's just really fun to watch at. It is like the best of VAT style of animation and the music. He has done a really great job of mimicking mimicking. That that sort of this sort of looney tunes feel like the meditations on the classical music and using the different instruments to simulate the different types of movement right and that's the interesting thing is especially starting. I'M GONNA get sort of like this interesting black and right scientific real to show exactly what Tara great is like a reminder for those that might not remember remember or initiative Yep Exactly Marvin candle comes out and introduces it. But then everything turns to color. It's interesting and has these. SORTA like CEL shaded graphics to it. This is a deep poll but I was reminded of like the legend of Zelda. The Wind waker interpreter. Like just the very cartoony look of it all and I thought it was going to be entirely early silent but just wasn't and I'm very intrigued to hear from you. About what was your reaction when the tar degrade hits the window and we hear our cable footage from Tia West with Khan and McCoy and spock and Kirk that was so strange and for a second if they had not used such iconic scenes. I would have thought I was right back in the animated series. But then you look in. It's like very obviously some of the most important scenes of entire star Trek Universe and I have seen some people that are much deeper in that than I am pointing pointing out that. These are chronologically out of order. But it's a charter grade. It travels from time and space like who knows when those eggs were left and when they were picked up again it could have happened. One could have happened before before the other. It's a tardy grade so that was my thought it was. It was really fun. I think it was like that's an Easter egg like. That's how you do it Easter Egg. I and I hope that these particular scenes like hold on. I'm not meant to be taking notes on. What exactly is happening in these particular scenes because they have some bearing on what we're going to see in the actual series later on? I hope that was just a fun nod to the legacy and it was so T. O.. S. centric I mean like you said dead. I don't think we should take it as a line. Because they've very much brought up in the beginning about how tardy grades are able to essentially skip through time and space. He's in the my seal network which is why they were really focusing using using the spore drive in discovery but in terms of the Easter eggs. A pile of them much like target eggs so obviously we had space seed with the reference to con- We had the naked time. which was when Sulu had that weird? Someone like in toxically invigorated and was threatening to sword. Fight everybody we have fighting. A Children's book about about spock that makes heavy reference to speak to the naked time. And then you have. What I thought was my favorite sequence of this entire the thing? When the TAR grade is tailing the enterprise and they just flow continuously through all these really great images whether it be the big big green phantom hand from Apollo in who mourns for Donna's of the Solicitor Coal Phallic Looking Planet Killer from the Doomsday Machine? The aforementioned solely alien web which looks like something out of Tron with like the laser dough deca Hadrian the probably the liquid such example of how we're is the giants Eh Brahim Lincoln sitting in the chair from the episode the savage curtain but not just episodes jess. Then we go to the movies. We get like the showdown between The reliant and the enterprise from wrath of Khan and then surprise surprise here comes Christopher Lloyd and his Klingon bird of prey appearing got a cloak and then the enterprise designed to trick him. And self destruct at the end of search for spock. Yeah and that. That's really the really interesting thing is someone that has that. Deep Deep Knowledge and appreciation of it could point could pick all of those individual things out and somebody that's kind of had it as a presence of their life over time could pick one or two of the things out and I don't think it lessens your enjoyment. I think you can appreciate it on that very deep level or you can also be like. Oh Hey I recognize that thing and that thing and kind of assume the other things have something to do with it but I love. How much is there for the super duper fans to grab at? Not only that Jess g you know who who the narrator of this short was. Yes I the only because I looked it up I did not know it off the top of my head and Mike if you did know it off the top of your head I don't. I don't think we can podcast together anymore. Way Beyond though ironically enough Jesse you and I were texting earlier this week about how you discovered transparent aluminum and how you know star. Trek four is becoming more of a reality. Discover it. I just learned it was a thing. No you invented it. You put the patent in but I guess we had it on the brain because the narrator of FM DOT is none other than Kirk Thatcher who played the young who again with the boombox on the bus during during star trek for the voyage home. It is my favorite of all of the Star Trek movies. And I'm so pleased that this is like the Easter egg to end all Easter eggs. I mean do you think they like sought him out or do you think he went in and was like. Hey you know have worked on star. Trek's let me try to get my foot back in the door here. I think he has been a presence. I think his early role as a punk was not necessarily related to the long career. He has had as producer and television director. So I think he's out there and get back into the star. Trek Universe was not a big big deal for him. Because he's fairly well known I think So the one big canonical question. I have from this because like you said I think it was just a very fun. Kartini Kartini large especially from a physical comedy perspective. But others trying to remember if we known that tar grades before this were able to transcend transcend time as well through the my seal network and so that makes me wonder with discovery being millennia into the future now and you're trying to figure out. How do they get back to the time they were at? Could it all come back to the sport drive once more. I think it pretty much has to. I think I would imagine I just own unless another wormhole opens up again. Yeah wormhole could open up. There's they got all kinds of ways to travel around in time thing of how many times people have traveled in time time in the Star Trek Universe on the voyage home. Just slingshot around the sun. Totally so I think that's less of a concern but I think I think this may well be setting it up for that to be the way that they do it. So I think again Alex Kertzman said specifically Ephron dot and the girl who made the stars were going to be connected to discovery in new and interesting ways. And I feel like you know on the surface level of just be. Oh they're retarded grades and discovery season. One there's a target great here but if I'm looking at it a little deeper I personally think that I could very much see it all coming back again to that target. DNA and if it is indeed able to ride the my seal network to go through various blips in the US timeline. What's to stop discovery from eventually getting back to where it came from? Yeah I mean my seal the network is already enabling you to mess with space and you also bring people back to life by rebuilding them. There is that so I think I think it's already broken so many laws of physics that to break one more is really not going to be any big thing for it and there's also this idea of the baby tardy grades as well. I know that again. This is a cartoon. I didn't know how canonical it is. But there's also this idea of like other tar grades populating the universe especially especially if they all go off on adventures. Apparently they do is one ramshackle family at the end of this. That's a spinoff series. I would watch by the way baby. Tartu Grades Yeah Baby Maybe Tardy Grades. Maybe maybe it worse for baby owner right well. It always GONNA say if they're going like with a mandolin styles spin off. I think baby tartar. Great could have been the next big thing being totally eighteen next star trek series. We're going to get is going to be like this. This broke gunslinger. Going across the Bruce with the baby tartar grade. And listen. Unlike iota targets are real so that has that above him to definitely have that I just I I love it. Every time I discover discover that something is real. I I did know targets for real before discovery but you know transparent aluminum real and you know Paul Stam. It's a real guy. Hi Who Studies Yours. Thank you again just for imagine that transparent aluminum. Really GonNa come in Handy when we're constructing that whale tank. Yeah I mean everybody can just assume that I invented it. They don't need to know that this that this old Scottish man came in and likes picked up my computer mouse and started talking to it. Next thing I know I have this. Formula we'll spitting media fabricated stories Should we move onto other animated short here. Yeah I think I think we are. I think we've done enough. I think that's all folks where dot cartoon is concerned. I am really excited talking about this one. I think this might be my favorite. Just because I think I know offensive Michael G Aquino you know but this directed by on Saami who had done a bunch of Star Trek Disco episodes I think he I think he's a might be a co EP. As as well and I think this was the most beautiful short dragged me and one of the most beautiful star trek stories from a visual perspective. I've seen in some time. Yeah I really loved it as well and I feel like there's such it's a broader spectrum of appeal that this has I think compared to most of the rest of Star Trek like I I almost wanted to bring my three year old son and have him watch it but it was a little scary so I thought I'd probably have to hold onto it for another year or two but not much longer because it feels like something kids could love. I feel like people that are not Super Sifi. People could love it. It's just it's such Asia visually stunning piece of. It's a visually stunning piece of star Trek as well as well animated and a self contained taint story that appeals to a lot of people I think and a story within a story as well vary a princess bride but yeah I mean it's universal because even though star trek takes place in the future just we go back to the past here and it's so interesting because you know we have of a what turns out to be young Burnham being told a story by her father and yes that is Ken Rick Green returning as Mike. I'm GonNa name my daughter after me. Burnham telling the story as he appeared in Star Trek discovery and it's really interesting because I was a re watching just the first episode of season two of disco because I had remembered that Michael had told a very similar story. And it's not exactly the same. Michael Story in disco is about how a girl in Africa. Doug her hands into ash and threw it into the sky to create the Milky Way. This is a bit more of the hero's journey to it. But I do find it very interesting staying again very well connected to the character. Michael Burnham who this young girl turns out to be. Can we back up a second and talk about Kendrick Green. Yeah married to sneak snake Martin. Green in real life. Yes which again makes things I mean. It's better now in this version when it's an animated form and sneaker Martin Green is is not voicing young Michael Burnham but still very interesting cast and they're like oh you want to bring your husband on great but it's GonNa Play Your Dad. Well it's not the first time that they have that she has given him a smaller part in a series in which she's The star of this has also happened in the walking dead so every time I see kanter green. I'm like Oh yeah it's it's guy from the walking dead all right because city Quebec and green was also in the walking dead. It kind of comes they come as a package. HDL and I think they're both great so I'm not mad at it. Yeah and to be fair. He sort of gets his own little solo piece here. But we do have a little bit of cute precocious Michael Burnham interrupting a love Fred savage once more in the princess bride but this is pretty much Kenwood. Greens a story here and he does it well a lot of Gravitas. He's got a great voice. I think he's a great voice for storytelling. Yeah and it's also really interesting connecting this like this almost serves as a prologue to the Michael Burnham that we end up meeting and star trek discovery especially this idea of we know fear and shadow and finding your inner light especially like the side for a better term of this story as well and and what like broke my heart at the very end of it. Is You know when she says like I love you Daddy. And you're like man. I wonder how wonder how long it is until he gets like gone on down onto Tori Alpha by the KLINGONS. And before she you know when's the last time John up saying that and it really informs her character though. We're despite fight. Being through this immense amount of darkness. She finds her own sense of light. And I feel like Michael. Burnham is one of the bravest characters on Star Trek Discovery. And you'd have to imagine that this little pep talk slash fable at least informs that attitude. Yeah I think I think they definitely does and I kind of hit on that. Hit me as well realizing that. It can't be. She's old enough in this that it can't be that long and she doesn't have that much time left with him and it's like it's testament to how well formed. Michael Burnham is as a character because I think dead parents is not something that is necessarily a new and revolutionary pollution-free plot device the star trek world. But I think the way that it hits you over and over again like the gravity of her loss and how she is contented with with that loss and how. It's informed who she is person. I think that is testament to how well the stories are told on discovery. I just love the fact that they went so far back to tell this because again. It's something that really Harkens to us. We've grown up. Hearing all these fables especially of the more you know aboriginal or indigenous Nisa tribes about how the moon got in the sky or a Y.. Sandy course dry and I always love the mythology. Oh Gee behind that and I get I love bringing it into the future all these times later but still teaching this universal truth essentially you know you can escape the shadows but you're not looking and for the the outer light you're looking for the inner light and I also love the double entendre of the girl who made the stars it's like she's given this little capsule all full of light from this alien even though I guess is technically is not first contact because this is not the formal first contact but when she opens it up from an illusory perspective effective the sky fills with stars but you could also argue. It's more so that this was a culture that really see the stars and maybe regarded them as something nothing else and she opened up their eyes to what was in front of them. And so I I really liked that sort of fantasy and reality incompetent one. Yeah that's a much much deeper in house that I went. That's fantastic I. I really love that as well. I WanNa talk about the alien though I think we have to talk about the uh-huh yeah I think we have to talk about This is an interesting. I have to imagine we're going to see this alien again again. That's the most literal connection that there's going to be between these two universes. I mean yeah you'd have to match up because I'm trying to remember. Look I know the introduce Blue Star Trek species all the time. So I'm sure we've experienced even to the Kelvin's variety of like the cephalopod octopus like creatures. But I can't remember seeing something like that in the past. I don't think we have I. Would I would bank on the fact that we're going to see an alien looking like this somewhere in the future. Time line in Discovery Yeah that could be interesting if it was SORTA like remaining docile for all those years and that could also be a big connection. Point for Michael Burnham Burnham of this was a story my dad told me you know I thought it was just a myth but it turns out the no these pictures actually do exist and they made contact with this girl and now they're gonNA help us. Yeah and also sort of the idea. I think this is a very wrinkle in time esque idea of there being like this species. That's kind of so far advanced from from the the sentient species that inhabit our universe that they know everything including how to solve the problem. You're in but they also want to make it clear earlier that your problem is very tiny in the grand scheme of things and you can't even comprehend what is really happening in the world. He it's interesting because that prom. I'm also really miss. Mirrored for me another discovery episode the second episode of Season Two when they beamed down to that community of people who the Angel Red Angel at rescued skied from World War three who forbade any sort of technology and weren't aware of everything around them and they really mentally the consequences of like okay. Do we tell them what's happening in. Show them their reality or do we instead. Sort of let them live in their sort of blinded existence and that's sort the the whole moral quandary of the prime directive that spot brings up in. QNA so again. It's a nice little nugget of really heavy issues that Star Trek's already thirty delving into with just this alien counter of showing them that there is a larger world out there that they didn't even realize. Yeah and that's something. That they have grappled with breath many times over We just talked about Picard going down to a planet and being mistaken for God And having to take their spiritual leader up and being being like yeah okay. I'm not a God but look at how much bigger your world is all right. I'm calling it now. We find out in discovery season. Three that octopus alien was Michael. Burnham this is Michael Burnham the suit again Michael Burnham just loves the red angels who changed until like a Purple Octopus and now Michael's just constantly travelling through time at this point. Wait much like her mother did it. It's the quantum leap spin off. I never knew I needed. I'd be I'd be for it. Yeah all right It's just like the suit gets an upgrade. Yeah exactly now you can sort of more things than just give away random beams of life people at random point of time. Yup that's like you know one day. Okay you'll be helping out people on a distant planet another time you'll go back a hundred thousand centuries and you'll throw some light up into the sky and make people realize is that the true stars were them along. Yeah and help defend them from a giant snake. Yup The giant giant snake I feel like this was maybe the one the one part. I would quibble in this animation. Like most of the rest of it was really beautiful and really immersive and then they had the snake that looks like it. Looks like a reject from like the Harry Potter Universe. It reminded me of the James and the giant peach movie when apparently James's parents got killed by rhinos. And I remember. There was that image of flake the Rhino stampeding through the clouds that haunted this poor kids minded. That's sort of reminded me of I. Guess more. So like the fantastical Mu Fos variety. Have you then like a literal snake existing in the darkness. Yeah Dollar Star Guinea. Just get right out of here act. I felt like I needed something. More tig embody the people. What do you mean dollars Guinea? The Person Dollars Cernan Keeney the snake because apparently they're one in the same. Apparently they're one in the same. But I in this specific instance. I think I mean dollar starting to Guinea the snake man. I really love this one. I think this might be my favorite one. I just it was one of those ones. Where like you said like I would want to show it to people? Just I think from a visual perspective and from a thematic perspective. It's something that it's a story that I never Thought Star Trek would be able to tell especially in such a short and variety. And I think that they really pulled it off and it makes me hopeful that they'll be able to do more stuff like this whether whether it's you know going a bit further back in time and telling their stories and relating them to the future or just using different animation styles because this was even so different from Ephron dot. Aw I just love that. They were given the latitude to do these things with these short tracks because the previous short tracks by and large were like you can go and like put some of the same actors on the set and do some riffs on what we've already seen in these go off in some totally new in different directions. Sion's that I think it's a big leap forward for Star Trek at large. I would totally agree and I absolutely love it because again star trek is is a place and I think also that we've seen an advent of so many different types of voices and so many different ways of putting out content and filming content and creating creating content that we shouldn't be living in the past in that regard. You know should be fully encompassing it and you know I think going back to star wars demand Lori was a great step forward forward in how they were able to tell stories when people were maybe getting a bit restless with the way they usually tell them and star trek showing it here as well you know I would be totally fine if we bought back like a star trek the animated series type of thing if it was just like animated shorts around the Star Trek Universe. 'cause these two shorts convinced me that there are ways to do that and I think having shorts is a really. I think that's an extra great idea because we're kind of because of the way that TV is now. We don't have to be confined to twenty two minutes or forty two minutes. We can tell a story. That's as long or short. It needs to be and I think having like some little bite-sized chunks of animation that's beautifully done and captures civic mood while still being fully part of this universe I think that could be really special and really fun. All right well I guess on that note as David Bowie's heroes plays in should talk about David Bowie's heroes somebody somebody else's interpretation of David Bowie's heroes. We'll just like somebody else's interpretation of Mars. I we should talk about the one who at the time of recording. This only only dropped a couple of days beforehand. The last short trek of Season Two children of Mars Aka back to a Prequel to picard. And I'm just going to take take another minute to talk about this because this is a narrative device that needs to gts fo- immediately like stop using it everywhere is is taking an iconic song from the seventies or eighties and like dropping all of the instrumentation out of it and just having it slowed load super way down with a really breathy voice to add drama to a scene. Stop doing that. It's it's tired. It's been done so many sometimes. It's like there's like whole albums full of this. Like breathy. Sad pared down acoustic versions of pop songs that you could drop into movie trailers. Here's to make it feel sad and at this point I feel like it's emotionally manipulative. I think the short would've worked a lot better without it was really interesting. DISTING- watching it drop 'em because to me it's ten felt like almost like a viral youtube video. You know we're like a music video you were. They take a cover of a song and make a story around it because I thought the way they started off. This was so interesting where you know. We get an introduction introduction of Kema we get an introduce of Lil those are the two girls names people go to. They both live on Mars but they go to school in San Francisco I I believe and the rest of it is pretty much silent which I think is very interesting choice that being said I think the journey that they show was really. Won't we'll done but I will certainly admit as you've talked about I think the minute we hear that song it does focus certain mood but the mood more so distracts you from what's going on with. Wait why are they playing heroes right now. It would have been better if it had been a song that maybe everybody doesn't know That would have worked better like you. Could you certainly find something. That's less well known that doesn't make you think of an icon while you're watching this and I think that sort took me out of it as well and I'm also trying to think like why was it heroes you know. I'm trying to think from a lyrical perspective especially given how the short ends ends. Why specifically this song? Yeah that's the other thing. We could analyze the lyrics. Try to find a parallel layer. But I'm honest if we're going with other road songs. GimMe like mad world above heroes when it comes to Applica- -bility Oh God mad world might have been trope originated. Exactly I think the way they used it in. Donnie Darko is like all of a sudden. That was how everybody wanted to tell their story. I think the only thing I can figure is that they At the end of of this episode when they are being hit with this news that their parents are dead they have to be heroes to each other. Maybe plus or or. It's sort of like a keep going back the stores example but SORTA like. Maybe they're alluding to you. Know it's it's something in the echoes of the end of the last Jedi of of like okay. Now we have to look to the next generation. They're going to be the heroes. They're hit with this terrible news but they're going to work to a better future. I will say you know covers aside. I thought this was a really really interestingly done story and it really hit me in a way where those really great twists Dubar Uber. Once you know the way things happen and you look at the entire arc of the short it just becomes that much better seeing like the entire journey of these two characters and word ends up being in what that says about the tragedy that occurs. Yeah it is extraordinarily well acted as well and I think they do so much with so little. There's almost no dialogue in the entire thing. Like there's enough dialogue to set up who these people are at the beginning of the of the peace and then pretty much conversation drops out and the rest of it is told visually in facial expressions and gestures And it's really. It brings up emotions that I think are universal. Even though it's a star trek piece it doesn't feel like it's super superstar trekkie. Yeah and I love the fact that there aren't words because it's also this idea of there being a fundamental miscommunication between the two like if you're looking at the two of them it looks like ki-mun cannot be different enough from just the introduction that we get from them Chemo seems very peppy and happy. You know she. We were not entirely sure what specie is. Apparently she has pimples and a long tongue as as her mom. And then you have little. Who Sort of like the alphabet? Ah To her Glenda of just a little more dour. She's in this bad situation where it's clear that like you know she's sort of like the military brat. Her Dad keeps moving around and she doesn't like it. And these two do not see eye to eye or tongue tongue and we don't see them ever talking about it and you wonder how much can be resolved resolve from the two of them talking. But it's everything from you know brushing past one another to a full out fistfight. That happens in the hallway and those girls can throw a punch. I just want to say that that. That's what makes again that last shot. So beautiful is the fact that it's another form of physical contact rather than being intrusive or violent it is so reconcilable and emotional of like look. I've got you we're in this together. which again come such a long way from even like five five minutes beforehand? Yeah it's true and I think that's a lot of that is down to the actors I think in the hands of less experienced and untalented pair of actors. You would not get the same effect and I wanted to call out a specially stadium. Monroe is somebody of she plays Lil in this and she somebody I spent the entire thing is driving me crazy like wherever I seen her before. She's played that same kind of impetuous angry teenager Off and it took me the entire thing I had to finally Google it figure out out but there is a Canadian Sitcom called working MOMS. That is on Netflix. That I very very much enjoyed as she played almost that exact same character but like much more trouble Maki character and I highly recommend ideas. It's totally totally totally different. Totally totally and John Different but working moms is a very well done sitcom if that's a thing that you enjoy and it's got got that kind of dark sensibility to it But her work in there is kind of she brings that same sort of attitude to it in that. That sort of that sort of defiance that I think worked so well with this character here and I think it's perfect casting in that in that regard and I love of and was a little surprised that you know. The script comes from Kirsten buyer and Jenny Lou May and Alex Kertzman who are all working on modern star. Trek's outskirts obviously. Obviously being the grand overseer of things because I mean obviously the implications of the have the right to link to Picard but I think this is them really stamping. What we have sort ribbon beating the entire podcast a drum essentially saying hey you might think this is a completely different type star Trek Story? But it's still going to be part of this universe universe. This is a story we haven't seen before these are kids. Attending school. Who might be different is different and still facing adolescent troubles that we might face in the twenty-first-century but there are big moments and tragedies that can bring people of all different creeds and races and values together? And it's in those moments when you you just reach out to grab someone anyone no matter who they may be and those are the moments when you realize just how much funding a connection is so valuable in this universe and obviously in segue perfectly into our next podcast. But you know we're starting to see why Admiral Picard may no longer be Admiral Picard. Yeah there's a little hint of it and it's almost something you have to pause to really pay attention to but This attack on Mars. I think we need to talk a little bit about how what we think might have happened there and what has gone wrong. And how does that feed into. Where Picard it's right so Just to describe because again. There's what I think short does really well is it really just introduces like some small visual elements. That doesn't underline align what's happening and like but we know for example its first contact gay day which again was heralded and I contact the the first time that the earth may contact with an alien species of Mars is getting attacked. We couldn't or at least when I was breaking down the picard trailer. Looking through it I couldn't recognize the ships. Those those shots I've seen in the trailer. They're not you know BIRDS OF PREY. They're not. They're not Romulus warbirds words or anything like that. What I did over here that I thought was super interesting or at least see and like that? Lower ramp card was on screen was said the attack was from quote unquote rogue synthesis. It's and my guest jess is that we're sort of getting on Mars. A Sky Net at situation where they appropriated some some data esque android information. Create an army of sin synthesized people and they rose up and attacked people on Mars. And that's where Air Picard finds himself decommissioned. Maybe that's where he ends up turning to data to try to solve this android problem. I think you're one hundred percent on the money. Mike and also think a little bit about the other characters that we know to be showing up in Picard from the Greater Star Trek Universe data data is going to be a big part of the series. Exactly how big. We're not sure. But having data there and then also having hugh of board and seven of nine as characters who shop in this universe and we know cannot that they are they have had diplomatic roles and have very been very much on the forefront of deciding like where does man Dan stop and machine begin and knowing that those are going to be things that they have meditated on a lot throughout their diplomatic careers and knowing knowing that they're going to shop in this series. This conversation is GONNA come up. It's going to be a lot more of this measure of a man's style trial of you know how responsible are machines. Sheen's at how are they and how culpable are they. That has to play into this. You have to imagine this is all connect right and this idea of like okay. You know we thought they were under our control now. They're not and like you said it goes back to this like can you keep it under your control. Is it your play thing or is it a does it have human emotion. Should we respect those because I can imagine that in that case the ships that were attacking them you know. Is that then taking control of Federation Federation ships or is this another thing like the board like an offshoot of synthesized people who rebelled against the federation formed their own society. But that's it's my leading theory right now as to who led the attack on Mars and you'd have to imagine that Picard. Since he was the one giving talking head he'd take some responsibility for it. I don't know if he's going to resign from starfleet or if he's going to get demoted or dismissed from starfleet as a result. But you have to imagine. This was inciting incident in some way shape or form. That's GonNa put him on that vineyard. Yeah I think that's I think that's where we leave off and where Picard is going to resume and I think it's very interesting way of telling this and it sort of for those of us that mostly no picard as this kind of infallible infallible leader. Who almost always makes the right decision and to see him fail? That hard would be very interesting place to pick him back up. Yeah I totally agree. Because he's probably at his lowest point Dan even lower than when he was appropriate into a Borg. And you know basically basically made to kill people because this is a case where he really in a manner of speaking does have blood on his hands. People do look up to him and he let this attack slip by. He has to pay for personally and whether he's personally seeking penance for that reached foresee pens for that. It's something that's going to be very interesting but I loved the surprise and I love like we're talking about right now. How that really jump starts are thinking as to putting us in the head space of Gianluca Card right now and that's going to be a really interesting interesting place to start a series? Just because that's kind of how star Trek discovery also started you had Michael Bram committing mutiny and kicking off the entire Klingon war and having having that blood on her hands and having to contend with that I think it will be interesting to compare and contrast if that is indeed where we're going. Yeah it'd be like if they took the first two episodes of Star Trek discovery and made them short treks or like a star trek movie. That serves is the Prequel to it. You Know Yeah Yeah for real and it will also be an interesting wresting way to kind of get our bearings on this card as a character is to have that have that touchstone of how did Michael Burnham handle similar circumstances hurt snaps and that being said like you mentioned before because this is not the most highly viewed star trek property at the moment. I'd say it's one hundred percent chance that they're going to have at least. One flashback to this time period to show exactly what the attack on Mars was instead of just letting it sort of remain assumed due to the basis of children of Mars. It's true I do think I do think you could pick up picard and not have seen this. Yes I think but I think this will also give you a more rounded sense of what actually went down going in. Yeah and I think I think it's just a good tone center you it got me really excited and I mean it should because just we are mere weeks away from this actually happening yeah. I can't believe it really snuck. Now count on me like this. It's almost on US yeah. January has gone by super quickly. I mean it doesn't mean that we're not gonNA have time to talk about about the card like we did at the end of the podcast here. We're going to have a full picard preview. PODCAST coming to your feet next. That should hopefully be dropping on January sixteenth eighteenth one week before card drops in our feeds our respective streaming services on January twenty third. But Yeah we have a lot to talk about. Is I talked about. I've sort of been looking at the trailers We're GONNA be focusing a lot on the new characters. The returning characters impossible plot lies. We might see. I think this gave us a big hint as to who and where card is mentally at this moment but just there is so much undiscovered country for lack of a better term. Yeah but but the last set about the undiscovered country better. Yeah Luckily we know where everyone's genitals are located on their body. I think yeah or do we. I I feel like I feel like the triples have raised a lot of questions. Yeah exactly who knows who knows if you're born pregnant. I don't even want to know. Yeah I really let. Let's not talk about triple genitals especially the. Let's talk about triples breakfast cereal. Yeah let's stay away from those do things and the other triple talk. I think is valued especially on social media. Yeah or maybe you and I will be the most surprised of all. When the card series turns is out to be picard fighting triples all day every day or like data pulls off his suit and reveals that he's just a bunch of triple stacked on top of each other like the little rascals and then this series becomes a meditation on who is sentient in? Who is truly like? Is it a moral issue if you eat this sentient thing. That is a bunch a bunch of triple stacked on top of each other in a data suit is that reprehensible and what happens if if it falls off the desk is it just GonNa die. Yeah exactly you have to kill the head triple and the rest will fall off the desk. Yeah I I okay. I guess I'm back on board with this but then like I can the triple be truly culpable for its sins. If it's been genetically engineered you you can you put the triple on trial and be like you know. Is it just due to its nature from Ed. Were creating it or is it truly evil through its deeds. Yeah or did they sort of you dumb it down a little bit with the genetic engineering. Listen that was apparently what Edward thought the order was. I would not be surprised. Yeah boy boy. That's just an ethical quagmire. Is it a boy. Well so people check these short tricks out if you haven't already. They're really a lot of fun. Why did you listen to us? Talk talk about them for an hour and a half. You haven't watched them yet. I don't know people people fraud or reasons but I've really even if you know what happens like even the one that I liked the at least had some stuff of value to it and at at its best. It really is a lot of fun. Really makes you rethink where we could go with Star Trek as a franchise and considering how. It's a populous field. Much like the triple popping off. Seems like there's a new star trek franchise being announced every month or so at this rate. I it's a lot of exciting prospect. It means makes me feel like we're in good hands for right now. Yeah it's definitely. There are a lot of exciting directions. It could go in. And I think this set of short tracks certainly only highlights that. And you know it's GonNa take you less time to watch all these short treks then. You just took listening to us The True podcast nature righteous one hundred percents so like I think. We're it's about time to wrap this all up Want to remind everybody that we have a main feed of post show recaps pusher Asia recaps dot com see all of the great scripted television. We are covering on right now. I know that Mike is doing a lengthy lost. Lost Rewatch with Josh ller in which they are going episode by episode and down the hatch and they are almost at the end of the season I believe he. S So we just just posted our penultimate one and speaking of lengthy spoiler alert. You're going to get in your feed nearly five and a half hours next week. Going through the entire finale. Three part finale of season one of lost exodus one of my favorite episodes that only have lost but of television. Ah Vision had so much fun. Closing it out with Josh but yeah we only send that raph off with a lot of words so be sure a to check that out also getting into survivor coverage as well with season forty being just around the corner including some Australian survivors stuff some coverage coverage of the circle as well so lots of stuff in both our reality TV and scripted. TV's fears over the course of January. Yeah I I've done a circle round roundtable myself. It's it's a very interesting show. I think we're having. We're both having a lot of fun watching it and a little bit of survivor content. Drop that Mike and they were both a part of which I thought was a very good time and I'm going to be writing some articles on prime time or dot com about every TV thing. Being the crosses my mind and in fact I've got a card piece dropping this week so out. Do you WANNA give a preview as to what the topic is. I don't know that you're going to enjoy it. That that much Mike because most of the groundwork was already done in our previous podcast together regarding picard. So there's that it's mostly. We're they're just going to be breaking down some of the most Cardi episodes of Star Trek next generation. If you WANNA start rewatching a few to get yourself ready for the new season episode causing causing effect. We're just sort of reliving. The same conversation over and over again just in different mediums. Yeah but you know if I could if I could use it lucrative Lee and more than one platform I would be a fool not absolutely get that Latin him. That's right. It's all about the slipped in the strips and also do want to mention as I talked about in the beginning. I know some people had asked about a dedicated star. Trek podcast feed. We do have that go to recaps dot com slash star trek or search for Star Trek Post. Show recap your pod catcher of choice and feel free to subscribe and leave us a rating and review especially as getting to the first few episodes of Picard. That's IT'S GONNA be super important when it comes to being seen as we D- cloak like a Klingon bird of prey. So be sure to do that. And we always appreciate your guy's thoughts especially as we start segue out of short treks into Picard proper. Yeah I'd really love to know what your expectations are for the series. What you think? You're most looking forward to what you're afraid might happen. I've just take all your thoughts and fears about Star Trek and you can shoot them our way we would love to hear them and you can follow us on. The social media is probably the best way to engage us in this conversation I am on the twitter at he maker. Hattie and I'm on the twitter at a Mike Bloom type. We We'd love to hear from you. Want to hear all your thoughts about card and off you thoughts about Trek Universe in general. Because I think we're on the precipice of something really special and interesting happening happening so all of that any parting thoughts. Mike now just make sure. Keep your feeds attuned. To January sixteenth is when in our picard preview. Should be up and if you have any questions you want to ask us about Picard through the various marketing materials feel free to reach out to us. We'll be recording probably the night before four so big sure by Wednesday the fifteenth. If you have any thoughts make sure to keep them sent to US via social media or any other channel. Yep that's if you want them included on the podcast cast but Obviously anytime of day or night we are here for your star Trek thoughts All right so thanks everybody for tuning in and Uh Star Trek Picard preview coverage. Kicks off next week. We'll see then mm-hmm.

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Episode 89: Kylie and Travis remind us that going out is still a thing

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Episode 89: Kylie and Travis remind us that going out is still a thing

"Today on we hear Kylie Jenner and Travis. Scott were spotted leaving an la hotspot after a night out, and we have so many questions P., Davidson's new movie king of Stanton Island was mysteriously pulled from drive in theaters and slaps are getting slammed for a cringe-worthy. About white privilege. Coming up next on, we hear. Exit. DIVORCE SLASHED CROSS PAVES Six whatever field that? Hey, there Maggie Katelyn and more and welcome. The we hear appeared six podcast. We hear all the celebrity dirt marks Lucy's sources, and you hear the story behind the story, the story behind the story Maggie. I say that. Air Mystery Hone? 'cause I'm a little confused so. Travis Scott and Kylie Jenner were spotted over the weekend, leaving the La Hotspot the Nice Guy, and it's almost like this total throwback story. It's funny because their pictures of them leaving the club covering their faces. She's dressed in like she's got like some leather. Sh- excited it's like. The Matrix. twenty-one forever forever one. On your clothes, all the parties were really just. A true mark of being a dad, which least needed like my dad always got the names of stores wrong. You know like the names of like Subaru it was so annoying and now I'm Whatever but anyway so there's a picture of them leaving the Nice Guy and it looks like a weird pre corona virus throwback shot. Totally what they're. They're out. They're out on the town. What what was going on, not a mask insight if this had been four or five months ago, the real story here would be are these two back together, but today in the times we are living in this story is these. These went to a nightclub restaurant and everything was fine. Even the security doesn't have a mask or gloves on I've seen some photos recently. Celebrities going to Craig's. You know the restaurant I believe. It's in West Hollywood where people kind of go to CNBC seen that Lala Kent from vendor pump rules and her fiance Randall Emmett, who was a producer on the Irishman or at the door, getting their temperatures taken with? The touch list thermometer like there's not even a suggestion that these two had to get their temperature taken here. This just feels like. Hey, it could be a night out at any time. Right I mean I guess l., A. Maybe part of the reason that it's so hard for us to believe is that La is in a totally different phase than we're in. New York where things are still pretty much. Locked down we're in phase one. Would agree although there were people over the weekend beautiful weekend who are out in central park in as the Post pointed out, there were people not wearing masks, not wearing pants. There was a picture in the paper A Guy just wearing no mask and a thong. It actually looked like he was wearing his mask, but just on his. Covering his genitals. I mean that's pretty on trend because it's page. Six style reported that the IT Bikini of the summer for female celebrities kind of resembles a face mask. It's a very boxy top with just armholes. It's funny because celebrities love to shield their faces from Paparazzi in the past. When a celebrity is pregnant sometime show hold an oversized handbag in front of her stomach. In this case Kylie is using her expertly manicured hands to block her face, so not only. Are there no masks going on, but someone? Maybe it was her. Maybe it wasn't has been taking care of her cuticle. Has she been in the Salang. That's a great point unless it was one of her sister came to her, but this bottle of water that Travis Scott is holding looks like what happens when you go to carbone, and you say that you'll have sparkling water, and then you get the check and you realize you've paid twenty dollars for Seltzer like you paid that much for bubbles. It's funny. You mentioned that Maggie because the the label of the water is. Is Not showing right. It's like it's like the back of the label, so you can just see the outline, but you can't see what brand is. But I think. I? Think identified it just by the shape of label as Ponta Gerrad pownall water, P. A. N. N. A.. Yeah I think I was duped into having a just by wanting a seltzer I have to say the the the flat Hanno. Water is honestly I. Don't know if it's worth twenty six dollars, but it it's it is the best water. It really is good I. have to admit. When I saw that I was like damn. Travis Scott. Of course. He is great tasting water. Watch give us a few weeks and we'll find out if he's purchased a stake in this company. Gaming in a lot of play. It's a very soft water. It's like I know we're talking delightful mouth feel it's interesting. I mean the other thing that came to mind so so the Nice Guy I of I should mention the nice. Guy Really is one. Of. The top celebrity hang out in Hollywood. I think one time for a while. It was Craig's, but the Nice Guy is restaurant. It describes itself as the Nice guys aesthetic pays homage to a decadent era of mafia bars and restaurants. Geez just don't sit near the window. where the owners and their friends can enjoy an evening together. Upon entry, the vintage marble and brass bar greets you, Maggie, it, size, scale and shape invite the guests to a unique social experience, encouraging conversation and Camaraderie. Six feet apart question mark. And there was talk about the the boos along the exterior wall command intimacy between the guests while the larger boost flanking the room. Stimulate the party atmosphere throughout the night. So basically it's sort of. It's a restaurant, but it's also. A very hot Hollywood hang out. It's kind of a very clubby clubby restaurant. You know the other thing that that was sort of interesting other, Soto is what else have. We Seen Kylie Jenner in the headlines for recently right 'cause she been on the cover of Forbes. Then recently, they had this expose where they said that. Some public filings that cody which bought her makeup brand filed revealed that she had inflated her her worth, and you know she's come back and her legal team and said that it's not true so in any event. Perhaps this is a bit of A. Strategic thing of course you know. The Kardashian Jenner clan always thinking about their public image. Is this to like kind of remind people like hey, nothing to see here were just you know were were Bhakta. Leaving hotspots together and you know. Just to try to remind people that everything it's business as usual for the Kardashian Jenner clan to me, it also shows this sort of real lack of imagination where I mean. It's sort of the Leo DiCaprio. Fact 'cause it's like. You have like Leonardo DiCaprio. He. He's an I. He's an amazing actor. He's an Oscar winner. His taste in in film projects is. In trouble he with these amazing directors, he's I think he's a actor, but then it's like you look at his personal life. And then he still just as at these. He's at like Tau. You know he's like Ernie's at Coachella and he's always like just sorta hanging out in nightclubs in just. Has always been so strange any sort of doing it into his forties where you're like. Really like it. You'd think you kind of move on from this, and it's also just a weird thing because it's like on one hand, you're like working with all these really interesting people in doing these interesting projects, but then it just streams the. That's where you WANNA. Spend your you know your free time. Although these two I mean Kylie's twenty two. Travis is twenty eight, so they get a pass for being young. You know whereas Leo. You're like why are. Are you still doing this exactly, but still it's like you know she's their parents. I don't know I. Mean I guess they wanted to go and have a night out, but it's just I don't know it just seems like. Hey, let's go back to just the same thing that we were doing before I mean admittedly when the pandemic I started, and in the first couple of weeks that we were doing the podcast I think we were wondering you know. What are celebrity stories going to be like now and actually there have been a lot of interesting stories that have come out of it. You know, but at I. It was like what is the world of entertainment news and covering celebrity is going to be like everyone's just at home, but then there have been all these crazy stories where you've got like weird combinations of people in. You've got that athletic on the armistice. You've got common in Tiffany, Haddish! You know all all sorts of stuff going on. You've got rage driving up to protests in his Rolls Royce Phantom, but this story is just so funny. Because I was like scrolling through headlines in just to see, it actually looks like. There's. In the Matrix where this you're like wait. Did this reposted from February in La? It's just like so weird, but I guess we're entering a whole new era in La you know. We've seen mostly celebrities walking the dog and getting starbucks. And now there's going to be back out at the clubs. Have you heard of Wild Alaskan company? It's a monthly seafood membership. Great Idea I just got my first wild Combo box and let me tell you how excited I was. Each high quality piece came individually wrapped, which is great I mean I live by myself, so it's already portioned out at need fish Tacos I put it in Salads. I made all kinds of salmon pollock. The list goes on. It's some of the best seafood I've had. It is so easy to prepare. Prepare healthy and delicious and wild Alaskan company only promotes sustainable seafood, which is very important. It's super easy to order. shos go to wild Alaskan company. 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Davidson's life, right he he woosley based, they said loosely base, so Peterson worked on it without appetite, and his best friend wrote it, and a lot of his friends make cameos in. His mom was on set all the time. I feel like we found out a lot about Pete Davidson. His struggle with mental health was like growing up on staten. Island losing his father nine eleven. All these topics and more, but people are. They sound like they're kind of disappointed by this fell. Yeah, one thing actually going back to what you're saying. Maggie is actually there were so much out there about this movie and from the trailer. It's like I. Don't feel like I. Need to see I feel like I've seen the movie basic right just the coverage of the film, and then sort of looking at the trailer, and as much as we do about David's because we covered him so closely. It's like there's some movies out there like. There's a type of costume drama for example. Where like you can almost like I can almost gas like the lines from the movie just without seeing the movie, and usually it involves a line that goes something like I am my father's daughter. That some point like Helen. Mirren or someone's going to say that so just add something about the Staten Island, ferry yes so i. Very I am my father's daughter of like indie sort of staten. Island movies where you know it's just like I kind of feel like I could probably do the dialogue. You know from this movie without having seen the movie, but yes, so the controversy, though over the drive in thing is really weird. Variety reported that That some executives at universal, which is the film's Distributor, had unintentionally booked the film in about a hundred theatres. A source told variety when they realise the mistake. The studio went back to. And ask them not to play it. But it's like it's Kinda weird because it's not like. Pete Davidson's mom was distributing the film, and she accidentally called up some drive in theaters and forgot to tell Judd appetito. It's like it's a major Hollywood studio and then. A drive in movie theater owner. Who Alcohol Murray. For the purposes of this segment from Murray's driving. Tola Variety. There was no explanation from universal and they just they changed their mind. This caused a consider a considerable amount of ill will with customers who bought tickets online, and they showed up for a seven PM show on Thursday I. Just wonder if they got there. You know like your avid driving. And then the waitress on roller skates brings your onion rings in your milk. Shake your Burger and puts it on that trae that attached to the side of your car. Every time you say at the drive in I think about that band. I had goes the idea. Because in my lifetime I've never driven up to a movie theater so for me. It's just being in high school and listening to that band my room. You know what's weird in this shows that I still have some commonsense I almost. Launched into an at the drive in song right now because I like love that band so much as well, but I realized it would be so embarrassing that I e. you don't WanNa. Give me a cover of arms. All, right so. That's amazing, Nike. That either Gosh. Apparently in the best part of this film was totally ad libbed Jut appetizer, said integrate item about this in from since podcast. Sue Judd at. Time you say appetite and angel gets its wings. Appetite appetites remember. There was when appetite came on the scene with like. The forty year old virgin and knocked up. And this is forty and there was a there was a thing where people would were like referring to as like apoptosis. Vian humour is very much like the way like the new. Yorker would write about jet appetite when it's like no one says them anymore, so basically judd appetito told Russell brand on his podcast once again, a person going on someone else's podcast, and so he told Russell brand. Sometimes when I'm watching people, they hit on something and it feels magical. He said of filming Pete Davidson. It doesn't just feel like he thought of a good line. It feels like something opened up in something spoke to them, and he said there's a moment in the king of Staten Island where Pete says to his mom I'm sorry. I've been so hard to handle and she's been worried about him his whole life, but he's not going to hurt himself and then Pete, this is this is the amazing ad-lib. MNP without pause added, and it's not in the script he goes I. Think it's always going to be hard, and it was the most truthful moment in the entire movie. But it's that sound like that. Much of a breakthrough lines you. That's that to me. It's very I M my father's daughter. The problem here. Is that this film? We know so much about Pete Davidson and his personal life. You know he's been candid about a struggles with mental health so. To the conscious consumer, it's no big reveal if you've been paying attention. Yeah, that's the thing I just feel like we. We know too much now. The backstory with Dr Ruth thing as well is that there is a war going on between the Hollywood studios and movie theatre owners in general, because for years Hollywood studios have wanted to shrink the so-called windows of distribution where you could see a movie on demand. At the same time it was in the theater or you know very soon after its in the theater and movie theatre owners have always been against this because if people can just watch a movie at home, obviously, it's like you can have. Basically a home theater now. The technology is so good you can stream it digitally. So why would anyone leave the house? They could just watch a movie at home, so you movie theatre owners have wanted these movies. Be showing the theater now at the coronavirus pandemic. It's been an excuse for the studios to say hey. Movie theaters are closed. We can't even show this in the theater, so you had movies like trolls. World tour which I'm sure, Maggie one of the first to watch because I. Know How much you love trolls. Come out and be a big hit, and it was just like a whole new experiment in. Releasing movies just. You'll premium. Big releases just straight to to audiences. And, so the King Staten, island, which is universal releases we said is now the latest movie to do that. Just going to bypass theaters so I think that was like the undercurrent of this drive through thing. Is that It's just another movie. That's bypassing theaters completely although there are reports that. Movie theaters are going to open again although there will be social distancing. Measures I guess it's like. You can only sit in the. Front row or the background? Do you think you're going to rented and Washington? Is that too personal of a question for you? Know I I don't know you know maybe. Maybe for research purposes, but I don't know Maggie maybe no. Celebrities are added again. The Internet has been given another cringe-worthy say that nobody asked for and this time about white privilege, and how white celebrities are GonNa End Racism you think. Celebrities would have learned their lesson from like a few days into the coronavirus pandemic braid Gal Gadot. Waiting for good dot had posted that thing of all these celebrities ridiculously singing, imagine the John Lennon Song their back. They had sent and they didn't do stuff. It's three. It's been three days and like. As if like people were going to be. Inspired by a bunch of privilege, celebrities in their mentioned soulful e singing imagine anyway, so that was a disaster, but now this one is worse. Yes so basically. The campaign is called. Take responsibility, and it featured quote influential voices from the white community taking responsibility turning racist tied in America. WHO gives a shit? Okay in this black and white video. You've got Sarah Paulson Aaron. Paul Cashew Justin Theroux Debra. Messing Bryce Dallas Howard. Were Star saying. I take responsibility and they're talking about a time. They may have ignored racial injustice. Speak up when it's necessary, but let black celebrities speak about what's going on. or saying but thing that's so funny. Is that okay so first of all? When I saw this video, someone posted and said like. Celebrities are added again and you click on the video, and it's like it's in black and wait, and it looks like either an SNL skit more maybe a Calvin Klein obsession ad, or like an SNL skit of Calvin Klein Obsession ad. It's just it's so sanctimonious and so dominance like no one cares that you think in the thing about it. That really funny is all the people in it. It's all like actors. Actors who just take themselves so goddamn seriously? Sarah Paulson is like amazing shoes grade in like the OJ miniseries and I guess unlike American Horror Serie, but it's like give it a rest. This is a trend that had it had been happening. It's been happening for a long time, but it was obviously in a more subtle way, because now it just seems so ridiculous because no one cares what these people think, but. You know I think this is why Hollywood sort of word shows had become so stale. It was like people were getting up there, and they were still making these really sort of Smug self-satisfied impassioned speech is to just their own bubble of people who were just standing up in plotting them, and it was just this echo chamber of self, congratulatory Bullshit and Audiences were just sort of seeing through it, and it doesn't mean that the sentiment messages or the causes that they were endorsing aren't worthwhile. It's just that. Their own Yam ring isn't worthwhile time that they spend in. This PSA could have been used to say something like hey, let's arrest. The cops who killed Brianna Taylor in her home. You know what I mean and like bringing attention to issues that are happening on a larger scale like using your celebrity to put a spotlight on figuring out stuff like this. It's like Y. Why waste the public's time with this? You know there was this thing where as you mentioned in the Briana. Briana Taylor case beyond say had written this letter I, you know. Obviously. The letters made public or Jay Z had taken out ads in newspapers. It's like I don't know why not they're posting this to just get attention for themselves and to sort of their addressing the public. It's like why not just use your celebrity to try and influence people who could make a difference for politicians, and then obviously those things can be made public, but it's like what is what is the purpose? Purpose of this it to just put a video out there on social media is just a self aggrandizing thing for people to admire you to hear yourself talk, and it's just it's a weight is just a total waste of time. Yeah, this is not a girlfriend. Things need to change for good. This is not A. PSA this is not a talking head thing. Maggie make a great point because the celebrities are not asking people to donate or not talking about their own donations or Or what they're doing? They're sort of apologizing for their own You know microaggressions are being part of the a racist system, even though none of the celebrities besides Anthony Tucci in the video apparently even mentioned the word racism. Then the other thing is, it's like they're just making it all about themselves like it just all about them. There's nothing in it about other people. It's like I will not do this and I will not do that and it's just like all about you. So. It's just totally missing the point I think while these celebrities are taking responsibility for their microaggressions, et Cetera you, and I can take responsibility for calling them out on their foolishness. I smell a new HASHTAG. Whereas just Hash. That, is it for this episode of we hear? Our show is produced by Camilla's rob. Williams Melissa casserole. He would love to hear your questions and your ideas from show. Let us know others anyone you'd like to cover. Email us at podcast at ny post dot com to hear the latest episode. Be Sure to subscribe on Apple Podcasts, spotify or any of your preferred podcast fought. And please leave us a review. We will be back tomorrow with more page. Six exclusives see them.

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Bren Brown  on Empathy, Courage and Where They Come From

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45:01 min | 7 months ago

Bren Brown on Empathy, Courage and Where They Come From

"This program is sponsored by the Calveley Foundation based in Los. Angeles California. The Connelly Foundation is dedicated to advancing science for the benefit of humanity. I'm older and this is clear in vivid conversations about connecting and communicating. When someone else's sharing a story with you? You have to understand that how they see. The world is as true and real as how you see the world. You know it's not like. Wow, their view of the world is broken now. Their view of the world is different, so part of empathy is listened to what that story meant to them so like if you tell me a story on like. Alan. I don't know why you're so upset about it. It's not a big deal. That's not a big deal. People do that all the time. I'm not hearing what it meant to you. And that becomes an empathic what we call in Khanaqin empathic. Failure. That's Brunetti Brown. Her career is a social scientists given her insights in how to avoid empathic failures. And her talent is natural. Communicator is allowed to bring those insights to millions. Her Ted talk has been viewed over forty eight million times. Our conversation ranged from. What's the best way to ask your mate if they've taken the trash out? To how she's identified and teaches the four skills, she says her vital to being more empathic. This is so great to be talking with you today, because we talk all the time on this show about compassion and connection, and that's your thing and I I want WanNa talk about all but I also WanNa talk about funny. Because you! You're funny I my God. Alan alda called me funny that this is. This is undone like life made though. No, you're funny. You hear the latched rolling in, and I can tell that you. You're going for them, but in the most natural way doesn't sound like you're trying to be funny. which is the essence of being funny I think? That! You don't sound like you're. That's I. Yeah! I heard you on your podcast unlocking us. I listen to when you were interviewing. Judd appetito. Did you see Abitur appetite. They told me towel because it rhymes with cow is what was in my notes? Oh, that's here because it rhymes just. So. You're asking him about what the essence of funniest! I WANNA. Ask You because you got it. What do you think it is and you must think about it because these all these funny things don't come out of you totally spontaneously. We studied laughter the first probably the first six years when we were talking about shame, because one of the things that I witnessed that I didn't understand was. Laughter. Around really hard topics. and. But there seemed to be this divide when I was talking to therapist about it, they they would say. There's two kinds of laughter there's. As deflection of pain. And that normally is not very funny to a person who sees the pain. Like you can see someone making fun of themselves or are laughing at their own expense, and it's painful to watch. But then they said there's like this knowing laughter where people share. Part of their internal world that they thought was exclusively them, and so I hope mine is you know the latter is knowing laughter like? Shoot were just in this together, and it's so hard. You reminded me of something about laughter that. I think I've seen. I think when people are laughing. They're in a vulnerable state. Yes, they're open. And that explains to me a lot of people who won't laugh. At me too I think just like I think shame is a universal emotion I think laughter is a universal language, but it requires vulnerability and let me tell you when when I was interviewing. This there seemed to be I'm trying to think of a binary a non binary gender way to talk about this, but. There seems to be a feminine norm. Don't laugh too much. Don't laugh too loud. Don't laugh too long. For men. Are Masculine norms. It seems to be emotional. STOICISM is prized. And so I do think laughter real laughter is vulnerable. Yeah, there's also that laughter that has nothing to do with funny. When we were doing scientific American frontiers, I interviewed Robert Pro Wien. Who is an expert in laughing? He's ladder research on it. WHO said the majority of the times we live according to his research is not at something funny, but as a social cue that we mean no harm. and. If you listen for it, it's astonishing. How many times people will laugh? They'll say something like. Could I have the butter? Not Very. Funny, now. Or or don't forget your head. My God it do that with my husband. I think. Work. Say. Hey. Did you? Take the trash out. She now, that's making me laugh at. It's not so. Oh Man. Why did it make me laugh? Did you take the trash out because in a way, you admitting something that's. Common to all of us. Yeah, it's kind of passive. Aggressive kind of. Did you WanNa two things I either do the I mean no harm, but make sure you take the damn trash out. Of which already is a funny way to? I. Do the other passive aggressive like hated? We get the trash out this morning. He'll say I. Don't know whether we did or not, but I did yes. Sounds like you have a little play going on. It could be that play sometimes. So, now tell me about. Empathy from your point of view. Seems to me. Almost everybody who talks about empathy has a different interpretation of what it means a different definition. How do you? How do you see it is? Do you distinguish it from compassion? Yeah, I, do and I think that. I think in terms of how I define empathy. I probably align with maybe seventy percent of AH factor emotion researchers I would say that I think empathy. is feeling with someone. It's when someone shares and experience and you're able to connect to the emotions, and that experience, perhaps not the experience itself, but you're able to tap into yourself. And recognize a similar experience and be with that person. And so kind of in that compact definition of feeling with someone is, it's not sympathy which empathy is feeling with. Sympathy is feeling four inherent in sympathies, disconnection and kind of otherness. I'm sorry for you from over here. Where that that stuff doesn't happen. And I think it's also different from compassion. Just I've taught empathy for twenty years and so. My PhD is in social work. That's that's where I my all. My degrees are from. So I've taught empathy as a skill set, I've been teaching empathy to as part of teaching communication in the Center for Communicating Science. Has My name on. has taught fifteen thousand. Scientists to communicate better, but mainly through a process of empathy so it it really interests me. How you teach empathy, we use experiential exercises. Also incorporate a little bit of Improv in your work. Yeah that that because the essence of Improv is making a connection with the other person, not shutting down right right, not not blocking them. Which is where the yes, and think of all the time you know, accept what you say and add to it rather than say yeah, but and then buried under my, but wait a minute. I. Should be trademarks man. I didn't I didn't mean to say, but it's great. It's like the truth has its way of coming out. I have to say that. The work that you do. With scientists. I love you for many many reasons and many many characters and many many stories that you brought into my life and my home, but that work that you do scientists. It's my favorite thing that you do because. I'm a storyteller. Who became a social scientist? So I had a different track had a different track in just come from the storytelling fifth generation. Texan Fine Line between bullshitter and storyteller. I come by some of the skills naturally. But I see all my colleagues or brilliant academics and scientists, but don't have the ability to communicate through story and through empathy what they're learning. And that and the world could be so much better if people heard about these great things that people are doing. Do you know what I mean? You said you said it and you do it with your own work. A good story it seems to me is an act of empathy because you're tracking. What's going on in the other person's head? Which is why when I speak, even when I do big talks like a tedtalk or something I have a rule that the house lights can only be at fifty percent. Yeah, I, do too I go with twenty five percents I'm about half as much light on the audience as you have. I don't want them to get scared. That's true. That's true, but I want I. Want I want to see. To because storytelling is empathy, and if you're a skilled storyteller. You're watching the faces. We'll storytelling whether you're talking about something that happened with your partner, or you're talking about a scientific finding. Is an act of generosity. It's not for you. It's for the story catchers. And so you have to see their faces to see what's landing. What's not landing where they look confused so? Many or asleep by God. Through hard. I know an actress who is praising a theater. She's I loved that theater. It's sleep six hundred. And painful. How do you do it? How do you build up a person's empathy I teach these four. These kind of four skill sets, and we bring them down, so we we teach perspective taking which is really hard. If you're, white. Straight. Christian. Male more majority culture. You are the harder it is because you didn't grow up. Learning how to take other people's perspective because you the dominant perspective? And, so for people of Color, for women for people, lgbtq plus folks. They learned how they learned how to wear. bifocals. See The world through the majority Lens and their Lens for survival so perspective taking a critical skill set to empathy, so we teach perspective taking. Dude. I love to use this drawing that I. Have That is? Somebody looking through a lens. And all of the glass into Lens is like race ethnicity age. Spirituality and then up on the wall. There's more lenses, insights, experiences, trauma, and so what I, how I teach! People say you'll see the world through a Lens. In order to practice perspective taking. You have to understand that the world that you see. Is based on your experiences who you are how you were raised. And when someone else is sharing a story with you? You have to understand that how they see. The world is as true and real as how you see the world. There's not you know it's not like. Wow, their view of the world is broken. No their view of the world is different, so part of empathy is not shoving other people stories in front of Your Lens. Listen to what that story meant to them. So like if you tell me a story. Alan. I don't know why you're so upset about it. It's not a big deal. That's not a big deal. People do that all the time. I'm not hearing what it meant to you. And that becomes an empathic. What we call in clinical work and empathic, miss or empathic failure do so. That covers perspective dry. What comes after that non judgement hardest? We tend to judge in areas. Where were the most susceptible to shame? So if I have body image issues, I will judge others more around that issue if I'm comfortable with WHO I am, and how I look I don't really practice judgment a lot, so part of being empathetic is understanding. Where unexpectedly someone story? Could set off my own shame, which would kills empathy? The two CANNOT CO exist I've heard you and I've read you saying that and I. Don't quite get why what? Why did shame in empathy night? Why don't they go together? It's really because of our responses to them. So shame is very me centric. When I go into shame, it's very self focused the only thing I'm interested in other people. When I'm in, shame is what they think of me. Empathy is an other focused emotion. That's so let's so much like the improvisational stance. Tell me more where you were you working with the other person and your objective is to let them. In, and let them set the agenda. Make them look good. Your focus on them because you reading them. What are they saying to me? How? How am I going to respond to what they're saying in doing? I have to see what they're saying and doing have to hear. have feel it after. Enter into them a little bit. It's generosity if the focus is on the air right, and if the focus is on I wonder if they can tell if I weighed that way to ten pounds too much. Or I wish I weren't wearing these clothes right now. You're not going to see the other person and have you ever done because I think about this with your work all the time I. It's like who's going to interview. Who because I have so many questions for you For me for me, it's a conversation, so so blessed away. Here's the challenge that I make up that you have to face in your work. With academics. My training and the training of the majority of people I know who ended up being scientists social scientists bench scientists whatever they went into is. Not It is not subtly tot to as is expressly taught to us. That the more accessible, your work is the more ashamed you should feel. People. Now! It's taught for sure. And I think I. Think it's implied I've seen it implied but. That's mainly because I'll get back a paper that said. You use this word. Are this sentence when you could have said the pyschological assumptions for the methodology equate shoe. You know like where I use this said I. Say this because this part made more sense to me. You know so so I think. Win. You come out of training as a scientist. You're wearing. Academy issued armor. And it seems to me that work. You're doing with scientists. Take the armor off. Let yourself be seen. And share your work with people in a meaningful way that can change the world, and there are some real inherent blocks in the way that we're trained to doing that work. That's the reason I encourage scientists to tell the story of their work, including the mistakes and the roadblocks that they encounter because it's fascinating to see somebody overcome an obstacle catch part of what makes a really good story. And you have to admit the top two right. That's act to the whole. All of act two is. The. Protagonist tries to solve a struggle without being vulnerable. That's all to right, and then at the end they. Day disarmer. They're vulnerable. They solve their problem. And then we only get ten more minutes of the movie, which just sucks because I wanna see like the happy ending. Go on forever. When we come back I. Tell Renee about a problem, I've had with empathy. And Rene tells me what I can do about it. Right after this. 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Totally you think you're on solid ground. You're ten feet underground because you say. In other words how you feel, is this. What's what's with that belligerent tone the way you're telling me how I you. What's interesting is communicating that. You know where it's done beautifully. A meetings where people can't say a word to each other. But they communicate their understanding their bodies with their faces. With there is, someone will be sharing a very hard story. You know about the first time I cheat on my wife I was drunk and. If you look around the meeting and you watch the people watching the person sharing the story. They're all. You can't see this on the PODCAST, but they're all they have. Their eyes closed. Are they have their their heads buried in their hands and they're shaking. Yes, or they're looking at someone like like I. Look at you right now so allen. Iron Zoom and I could be like. I could look at you with love and. Acceptance And non judgment because you know in a rooms in addict twelfth step rooms. There's no cross talk. So! You can't speak back after someone shares a story, but I didn't knows ed the idea that you rely in a situation like that on body language. He's so good at so important because the more you learn to do that and we learn to pick up those cues and return them. Not through the well-chosen word, but through simply react, you can't make your body do things that are authentic and natural. It's gotta come from deep inside I think that's right and I think using a as an example. I think just the fact that I'm sitting in this room with you know better than you know worse than you. The homeless woman, sitting next to the female engineer in the mail CEO or the you know the as bt, Q. Person Sharing Their story it. It doesn't matter who you are what you believe who you love. We're in this room together and that means that we know that we're hurting it in struggle and so. I think what's hard about number three and four, which is teachable. Is. It requires emotional literacy I think that's part of what's happening in this country right now. Maybe the world is that. We have not made social emotional learning. Part of the curriculum starting in kindergarten so here twenty-five affects where emotions that you need to be able to recognize in yourself or others. Here's what this feels like. Here's how it may show up for you so social emotional learning we can teach so when I'm teaching empathy will look at sixty different emotions, and we'll do hard work around them. Because we interviewed close to ten thousand people asking this question name, all of the emotions that you can recognize in yourself and others and the mean. The average was three. Happy. Sad pissed Y- right exactly exactly. Here's how I know that's true. At least in one anecdotal case when I was writing my book about communication. I was trying to figure out an exercise that I could do. That would. Increase my own empathy so I experimented with trying to read the faces of people I would bump into during the day the cashier, the checkout or People I just saw walking down the street. What emotion could read in there? And when I thought about it for a while I realized I only had about three emotions that I had to choose from. I wasn't literate as you say. Ahead a struggle to think of emotions with shadings with the you know there's there's supposed to be one hundred or something words for snow in the Inuit language, which I'm not sure is even true. You've identified sixty wasted describe emotion, most of us don't have that vocabulary now. It's name name of name a few just so so did you can give an example well. Emotional granularity predicts our ability to move constructively through emotion, so the difference between shame guilt humiliation an embarrassment. So, these are four motions of self conscious affect shame guilt. Embarrassment radically different. Radically different causes and outcomes. Envy Jealousy admiration. Really different. Despair, hopelessness different, but I always tell people all the time imagine. If you go to the doctor because you have a pain in your shoulder so acute that. When you feel that you lose your breath. You almost pass out. I mean it is an acute pain and you get to the doctor's office. And she says tell me where it hurts, and all the sudden. Your hands are tied behind your back, and your mouth is duct tape shot and you just say. And she's like no I can't. I can't help you until you point to tell me what hurts That's what happens to us when we're in emotional pain. which we know now that emotional pain. Registers in the same exact part of the brain as physical pain, so if you pour scalding coffee on your hand, the same part of the brain lights up. As if you feel social rejection or disconnection. Emotional pain is real, but imagine not being able to point to it. Are Talk about it in a way? Where you can heal from it or someone can help you because you don't have the language. Data. Why Emotional Literacy people like mark brackets work at Yale? is so important because we've got to learn the language so. If you become familiar with the. Categories of emotion with the identification of various emotions. Does that alone? Enable you. To label your own emotion, s yeah one hundred percent because you you. Can you know mark bracket? Has This he? He's an incredible. He's the director of the emotion studies. I don't know if that's the formal name, but emotion studies at Yale and he's been. He's been fighting his entire career to get emotional literacy social emotional literacy in. Two schools and they see a huge difference in outcomes for students who have. The gift of emotional granularity and so emotional literacy is foundation of resilience, empathy. I think connection. You know so much of the work that I do and you do is about. Having the courage to make a bid for connection. Having the courage to answer the bed. Ooh, how did you come to this? Understanding of the need for connection. I think it was really social work. I mean I think it. Was You know Bachelors Masters PhD in Social? Work and you know. At the end of it when I started thinking about my dissertation I thought. What's the one thing I know for sure coming out of social work in its that. We are hard wired. For Connection. And in the absence of it. There seems to always be suffering. So! What is it? were. If it's so powerful. That here you drew you drawn to say were hardwired Ford the. Why don't we just do it? Y when we were hardwired to eat, too. We eat, and if we don't eat, there's a big problem. But, why do we have this? counterforce pulling US away from connection. What what's all that of shame? Shame? Yes I think so. Tell me more about shame. What do you mean by Shane so shame is? I define shame as the intensely painful belief or experience that we are flawed and unworthy of love, belonging in connection and the best way to explain shame explain kind of what it's not the thing that we confused with shame often is guilt. Shame is the feeling I am bad guilt as the feeling I. Did something bad so? If you ham back grades, and I get a fifty five out of one hundred on my test and. We look at shame and guilt by self-talk. How do I talk to myself? And My Self? Talk is I'm such an idiot I'm such a loser I'm so. I'm stupid that shame. If our responses boy, that was a stupid thing not to study last night or I can't believe I didn't. Then the focus is not on self but behavior and that's killed. So what we know from probably fifty years of research now starting back with Helmbock Lewis is that. Shame is positively correlated with addiction depression violence loneliness. Suicide. Guilt. Tends to be inversely correlated with those outcomes meaning. The better that we can separate ourselves from behaviors. And maintain a platform of self worth from which to see problems like. I got a fifty five. I'm a good person and I'm smart. That was a stupid decision not to study last night to go out with my buddies and. Drink too many beers or whatever? So, shame is just this belief. That or not good enough. It's everything that backs up marketing and advertising today in the world you know. Not Pretty enough not thin enough. Not You know this enough, not young enough Don't smell good smell good enough. in so. You know if we're hard, wired for connection which I believe, we are Mur Mirror neurons down. Shame is the fear that I'm not worthy of connection. How do we experience? This shame about connection I. I'm trying to picture if I were going to. Examine, my own life or examined the life of somebody else as a character in playing I can't imagine what I would go through. What the steps are would go through to say I want to be connected to this person. But all I'm. I'm ashamed of this and okay. That's keeping back. What what what would that be like? Let me give you some examples from the from the respond my research. Shame is. Telling, my parents. I'm gay. And, then telling me to leave the house. Shame is my partner saying. I want a divorce. I, do want children. I just don't want them with you. Shame is finding out that you didn't get the job because they thought you were too old. Shame is I had this. This man I'll tell you for a short story if I can about. I was interviewing this man who, during the two thousand eight recession got laid off. And for six months he woke up every morning and got dressed and left for work. And went to a coffee on the other side of town because he was so ashamed to tell his wife. Never told us he told his friends. He told his brother. But he was ashamed. Ital- his wife and so I think. Does that how does that affect connection while me? How can you be connected like you're? You're afraid. You're I'm a shame as the fear of if you see me. And you know who I am. You know what I've been through. I won't be lovable to you. I got it I i. See I see now what you mean. The fear of being unlovable is a really. What parts of ourselves we orphan? To ensure our love ability. But then that's a Faustian bargain, right? This drudge dangerously close to self love, which is a concept. I find hard to understand. Maybe can explain it to me. How do you love yourself I mean? What do you say gee? My heart beats faster when you're near, I'm always. I'm always here or I miss you. Where are you I'm over here. Or I always listened to what you say. You're very wise wallets, you saying it. What. What what is it? What what do you mean by? What is anybody mean by self love? I think it's a hard I mean I have a reaction to it because I'm not a touchy feely person, and so I have like kind of a gross me out kind of reaction like. I know it's really important, so maybe maybe another way I would say it is him. One of the quotes that I say in the gifts of imperfection. That's probably a very quoted piece of that work is. Owning our stories? The good the bad, the ugly, the hard, the beautiful, the profane owning of our stories of who we are. And loving ourselves through the process of owning all those stories is the bravest thing will ever do. and. That's probably as close as I can get to explaining what it means to me, which means. Not Trying to cut off or give away our pretend like the parts of that are not great. Don't exist to say this is all of me and. You know and I I'm I'm Kinda Shitty. If I don't get nine hours of sleep and I have some anxieties than times and I'm very GERMOPHOBIC so. I've been super anxious during Cova D- And I can get when I get scared. I can get scary with people. I love like all those parts. Those are all parts of me, and that's all true by the way I'm not making that's not fiction. But all of those parts of me. Have to be integrated a union, a union the Union way to look at self love would be integration. Like I know all of me. And I still see the worth in me. Okay Yeah that I get. Talking with you only raises fifty. mind. But we were running out of time. Before we end, though we always end on seven questions, you mind going through that love at seventy seven questions seven quick answers. What do you wish you really understood? Music. How to read music. I had. Me Too How do you tell someone? They have their facts wrong? Get your facts wrong. I regard you from. Together I don't know. Would members three. What's the strange question? Anyone who's ever raised you? What L. Family originate from? What you would what Elfin family I'm part of. What is my Elfin history? I didn't think I heard right Elfin. Yes whatever the word is for like if if I if I have an Elf history. What the Hell does that now? I just said, what do you mean? What is your health? Genealogy and I said don't unknown unclear. The best one I ever heard I just didn't. It wasn't a large audience so I just and I didn't want to make her feel about I, just said. I haven't done genealogy work on it yet. I don't know. But I'm sure there's a website where you can I'm sure. How do you stop a compulsive talker? I don't know. This is so interesting, but I've got run. Sorry hate to interrupt I I had a lot of modeling of that and Social Work School, so there's a lot of really appreciate your sharing. I need to be mindful of time. Other people need to share so. I just do it. Okay now you're at a dinner party you sitting next to someone you don't know. How do you start a real real conversation with that person? The chances of me being seated at dinner party next someone I don't know are very slim. But if I were. I would say. How do you know our guest? Are Host. How do you know our host? But I do a lot of introvert pre-planning before I went to a dinner party. Look them up on I would I would ask the per literally I. Do this all the time and the person hosting. Who's going to be who I'm going to be sitting next to? Uh, is that because you're shamed of something? No it's because I have a lot of self love for my introverted South I, don't I, don't I? Don't do small talk very well now. That's interesting, interesting combination that leads me to one more question about the substance of what we've talking about. I would think small talk would come more easily the more. Free you art, say whatever comes into your head and make something out of nothing. Now I I'm pretty. I'm not I. Don't say whatever comes to my head. I'm pretty direct. but because I have humor I can. I can usually make it Lando, okay, but. I don't I'm really bad at small talk and to the point where if left an f. left alone with people I don't know in the midst of small. Talk I. IT could ramp up into some anxiety where. I'm definitely at a party or something. I have to go to either talking to the children. Talking to the people who are working the party or like right next to my husband. It's so interesting because you have an improvisational tone when you give a talk. and. I get the impression that although it seems prepared. Irit, you ready and able to veer off if necessary, because of thought strikes you, yes I never use notes and so I definitely I definitely. I know if I'm going to give a talk. I know the six or seven beats, but that's all I know. Six or seven is what I wanNA teach what stories I wanNA use, but that's it and I. I can go anywhere. I can do that in a social setting it is. It's like walking through quicksand for me. It is a ton of work because it's at work. It's just working I. Love My work, but in a social setting it's very hard I can get really awkward. Well. We'll have to cover that in the next session on. This is promises. I will be here. Okay last two questions. What gives you confidence? Data. Last question. What Book Changed Your Life. The color purple. Great. For. This has been so much fun. I really appreciate you taking the time. Thank you so much I! Really Joyce you. Thank you talk to you soon again. I'd love it by. Has Been Clear and vivid at least I hope so. My thanks to the sponsor of this podcast, and to all of you who support our show on Patriot. You keep clear and vivid up and running. And after we pay expenses, whatever's leftover goes to the all the center for Communicating Science at Stony Brook University, so your support is contributing to the better communication of science were very grateful. Rene Brown is a visiting professor at the University of Texas, Austin. 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All the guy told the new thing, so the excitement or the quality of life improvements come from US innovations, but now I, see China doing the things are doing and doing them so well and I. Think the US. Ghana competitor now and we just have to wake up copied. Rafael rife and what? We need to do to meet the challenge from China's increasing technological sophistication. Next time on clear and vivid. For more details about clear and vivid than to sign up for my newsletter. Please visit Alan all DOT com. And you can also find us on facebook and Instagram at clear and vivid, and I'm on twitter at Allen All. Thanks for listening. Bye Bye.

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Judd Apatow meets Totie Fields (Bonus Episode)

The History of Standup

12:39 min | 2 years ago

Judd Apatow meets Totie Fields (Bonus Episode)

"Before I saw a comedy in comedy club, which was in the early eighties navy. Nineteen eighty three that's the voice of jed appetito. I used to go to the Westbury music, fair island, which is theater in the rounds. And my grandmother was friends with the comedian toady fields just take a minute after thank you so much. You know, it's a lovely thing to walk out on stage and seeing entire roomful. I could kiss you on the mouth. You know, it's funny feta killing me. And it's hard to be sexy when you feed a swollen right over the shoes. Think it's easy, pushing fat Jewish feed into talion shoes. This is the last pharaoh Baker shoes, I ever buy that you can be sure nine hundred dollars. Readdress eight ninety eight issues. Right. Can't so I think from birth are used to see Tony fields, had a sense that she was a comedian. But also that my family adored her like she was the coolest person in the world. And that I had some unconscious affect on me. The coolest person in the whole world was a strange lady. My grandmother was friends with for my childhood, I would see her not a lot. But I think when I was a baby, probably more, even there was talking about her. Bathing me, as a child, that was like a family legend, toady bathing me into sink. Welcome to a special bonus episode of the history of standup the show, where comedian and professor, Wayne Federman teaches us all little bit more about the history of stand up, and I'm your fellow student. Andrew, stephen. This episode is brought to you by pair of thieves. All right. Let me pull up Google here and. Joked about under. I'm feeling lucky. All right, number one. What are you doing under their underwear? Ha you said underwear. Well, if you want something that feels better than that joke. Did you should check out pair of thieves? Payer feves is a basics company that makes socks underwear and t shirts. Pair of thieves send me some of this stuff and I have to say, there's something I've experienced with them that I've never experienced with another pair of underwear. They have this weird they call it. Cool breeze fabric. They say that it keeps you cooler than vanilla ice in nineteen ninety one I say it, it's comfortable, it's very comfortable. So if you want to upgrade your socks underwear undershirts to see why you shouldn't be buying cheap basics that touch the most intimate parts of your body head on over to pair of thieves dot com slash standup. And for a limited time this month only, you can get twenty percent off your first order at pair of thieves dot com slash standup. Let's see if there's anything funny on the site. Mom, does your underwear have holes in it kid. Of course, not mom. And how do you get your legs in them once again that's twenty percent off when you go to pair of thieves dot com slash standup. S. T. A. N. D. UP. This is incredible toady fields gave Judd APPA towel of math. That's it seems Miami. He did say was a legend. But, but yes, it's crazy. Interrupt to say one of the great joys of doing this podcast with you is discovering relationships that connect standups over generations. We talk about it all the time this. It's all intertwined like if you wanna know about Eddie Murphy, just look it Richard Pryor, the guy that influenced him or, or the great, Jerry. Seinfeld was influenced by Robert Klein and David Brenner, and obviously, now we're talking about toady fields and have a couple of things to say about her besides influencing, Sandra Bernhardt and Elaine booze ler. Although interesting, I read once that Sandra Bernhardt said that she adored Toda fields but didn't. I wanna do that brand of self deprecating humor, which a lot of the women at that time, did the I'm so fad. I'm so ugly kind of stuff. Now, do you know anything about Dodie fields other than what we spoke about? I mean, we talked about her, when we talked about that Sullivan show and episode one but, but there's not much actually know about who she is. Okay. Let me tell you something about that. Generation there was the here's this generation of comedians from, like the mid century, that would not only change their names. They would d- do their names because the simulation was sort of the main thing they were going for at that time. So they would ask like an eye era. Why to a first name and then diedhiou their second name like it happened all the time. Like Jerome Levitt became Jerry Lewis, Leonard Schneider became Lenny, Bruce, Fred, greenfield became Sheki green and Jacob. Cohen became Rodney Dangerfield with a brief stop at Jack ROY Allan Koenigsberg. I hope I'm saying his name right became Woody, Allen. This went on and on even cliff Nassar offs book. Remember we talked about it. Yeah, the comedians, exactly. Very good. Look at you he has a whole paragraph about all those Jackie Monte, Maury comedians of that generation, and toady whose real name was Sophie Feldman became no more Veldman fields, which was still Jewish e but not quite as Jewish. Then when I was older, I finally went to see her as more conscious person, I think about ten and she performed the Westbury music fair after she had her leg, amputated chedda diabetes. And she did a comeback tour where they would, you know, have come out in a golf cart, and sitter a chair. Right. And then she would just be seated and tear, the house and talk about losing or leg, which I look back on and think that, that had a big effect on me the idea that this not conventionally attractive. But adorable woman with one leg was getting standing ovations. What is my mind in my mouth? Got to do with my body. I am funny because I am buddy. What is the size of the structure of my body? Got to do with the way, my mind thinks you can be different and succeed. And and beloved. So toady fields died at age fifty one in one thousand nine hundred ninety eight but not before she did one of the first H B O hours, which is now we have these Netflix our specials. She was one of the pioneers of that. And in nineteen seventy eight was also the year that Mitzi shore at the comedy store opened the belly room which began as a all women's venue, for to develop young comedians, who were not men, and that's a whole episode in and of itself may be. Yeah. That's actually a very good idea. The belly room is where Whoopi Goldberg did her very first set of comedy in LA. There's a lot of great talent that came through there, although some comedians like Elaine booze ler wouldn't do sets up there. She resented, the segregation, but back to the point I wanna make about toady fields and Judd appetito who worked with Jim Carey. And then Gary Shan lean and Adam Sandler and Amy Schumer. And now he's right now getting ready to direct Pete Davidson. So there's a connection all the way from Todi fields to Pete Davidson through Judd. I'm always fascinated by people expressing who they are directly. And you feel like that's the secret of great standup. I think so it's just. For the most part, it's just one on one expression of how you see the world. And I think as a kid, I didn't understand how the world worked, and I liked it. They were people who decoded it for me and said, this is what's funny about it. This is what sad about it. This is what's bullshit about it, and I leaned on those voices. I think about it, and I liked when people opened up to me. I like the Volmer ability of this is my story. And that's the end of this little mini bonus episode today. And I think you have an important announcement. Correct. Yeah. This is really exciting. We are announcing season, two of the history of standup and we've teased it a little bit, but it's officially happening this summer and we're going to be taking a look at the rooms and the places in the scenes where stand up happens and hear from some of the people who were there. So watch this space and be should've follow us on Twitter at hissed of stand up and get ready for season, two of the history of up. The history of stand up is hosted written and produced by Wayne Federman, and me. Andrew, Stephen the show is also produced by Jeff boom, bro and Chris bunny yellow of the pod glamorous. You can find more their podcasts at the pod glummer at dot com. Some of the music in the episode is by brake. Master cylinder, you can find more about this show episodes, and extras at the history of standup dot com. Add his stand up on Twitter or on cast box apple podcasts. Stitcher, Spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts. Sonic universe. Everyone. 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10 Trivia Questions on GI Joe, Batman, Seinfeld, and More

Trivia With Budds

09:21 min | 2 years ago

10 Trivia Questions on GI Joe, Batman, Seinfeld, and More

"GI Joe Seinfeld and Batman plus seven other totally random questions in today's confidence round close out our whole week of confidence round shows. This is trivia with buds. Welcome to another episode of the trivia with buds podcast. I'm your host. Ryan buds. Thanks for checking out the show. The show comes out every single day, and you can hit subscribe to get new episodes on your device every day. And it's been about two and a half years since I started the show and we've hit about two hundred and forty thousand downloads. So thank you for making this the thing, you listen to when you're driving around or waiting for something or sitting home with your spouse and having some wine some people do that. Right. Some some modern couples they sit and listen to podcasts at home. I don't do that. But hey, maybe you do maybe my dog Carver does who's barking in the background? And maybe maybe he sneaks is class a wine when I'm not looking I'm looking at a book right now that says are you shitting me one thousand four facts that will scare the crap out of you. I like reading these every once in a while. So I'm gonna read you one right now. Let's see what I got in here. This says some Australians believe. In semi aquatic creatures called bunny apps Buny ups B U N Y P S, and they live in bodies of water in the outback they are semi aquatic creatures. Those Australian fact for you see what else we got here or EG this one. Let's see this one says. A convenience store. Robber. In Texas was busted in two thousand five after leaving his wallet at the scene of a crime. Police didn't even have to track. The man they just called him told him he could pick up his wallet. At the police stations lost and found the man showed up and was immediately arrested said one officer. We don't even have a lost and found a fun little story. I like that about like a dumb criminal interesting stuff. I like that. And here's like a UFO related. One fact one six nine on December third nineteen sixty seven policemen. Herbert Shurmur was on patrol near Ashland Nebraska, when he says he saw UFO when Shurmur arrived later at his home he felt ill and had inexplicable red welts on his neck also twenty minutes or missing from his police, log, Ooh, I like when stuff's missing from logs. That's pretty sweet. So those are some random facts from a book by carry McNeil. Are you shitting me one thousand four facts that will scare the crap out of you. So if you like that kind of thing you could find that book. I'm sure. Wherever books are sold. Today. We have a bunch of random questions just like those random facts for you in a confidence around way doing these all week long. And today is the last day for one we'll them again in the near future. But this was a whole confidence around week. There's a certain theme you want me to do in future weeks. Maybe you're like, I love Nintendo games. Let's do all Nintendo week or hey, I love dinosaurs. Let's do dinosaur week or how about fairy tale week or something like that. I can try and work that in that'd be kind of fun. Just let me know in an Email. Ryan buds at gmaiLcom. If you want to support this show for free go over onto a tunes. Leave us a nice review on what you like about the show could also leave a yelp review on my yelp page. If you play live trivia with me he can play live trivia with me at about seventeen places on the weekly all around southern California. Check it out at trivia with buds dot com. All the locations are on the locations tab, you click that and you can RSVP to events for bonus points right on the home page. Also, if you have an event you want me to come host. Maybe you listen in Nebraska. And you're like, hey, I need somebody to host. I would recommend you use the ask in Nebraska, and my friend Jim fields. But maybe you live in Oklahoma or Texas or Florida, and you're like, hey, we want to trivia host. We want buds to come fly down here and do our big college show or our backyard party or all kinds of cool stuff. I'd love to do it. All you have to do is drop me a line. Ryan buds at g mail dot com. All right. We're going to jump into today's episode. It's all about the confidence around. It's ten totally random questions. Let's see how you do here way. Go. Here. We question number one who played Duke in two thousand nine GI Joe rise of Cobra number one who played Duke in two thousand nine GI Joe rise of Cobra. Question. Number two. What is Kramer's first name on Seinfeld? Number two. What is Kramer's first name on Seinfeld? Question number three. And what Batman film does Robin say holy rusted metal Batman number three in what Batman film does Robin say holy rusted metal madman. Question. Number four what? Comedian filmmaker published a book called sick in the head number four what comedian filmmaker published a book called sick in the head? Question. Number five, what kind of creature inhabits the Disneyland ride the Matterhorn what kind of creatures on the Matterhorn number five. Question. Number six. What company has a trademark on the word me's M I apostrophe S number six. What company has a trademark on the word MEAs? Number seven. We'll color T shirt. Does gene usually wear on. Bob's burgers. Number seven. What color T shirt, gene? Usually wear on. Bob's burgers. Question. Number eight what nine oh two one actor stars in the shark NATO series. Number eight what nine to zero actors stars in the shark NATO series. Number nine what author wrote the book miss Peregrine's home for peculiar children number nine who wrote miss Peregrine's home for peculiar children. And number ten what band had an album called significant other back in nineteen ninety nine number ten what ban had an album called significant other in one thousand nine hundred nine. All right. Thanks for listening to these questions. We'll be right back in a second with the answers. Here we go with the answers question number one who played Duke in two thousand nine GI Joe rise of Cobra the answer was Channing Tatum. Number one, Channing Tatum. Somebody I used to hate I think when this movie came out, I was like why is he in this movie, and he's grown on me since the twenty one jump street movies and things really like Channing Tatum. But did not like him when he was going to be in GI, Joe, which I thought would be a great movie, I still kinda like it for the ridiculous plot and action of it. It's kind of like a fun be movie. Number two. What is Kramer's first name on Seinfeld? Cosmo Cosmo Kramer, number two Cosmo question. Number three. What Batman film does Robin say holy rusted. Metal Batman Batman forever. Is the one the third one there of the ninety s with Val Kilmer number four what? Comedian filmmaker published a book called sick in the head. I have that book Judd appetito Judd epitaph sick in the head essays interviews and things number five. What kind of creature inhabits the Disneyland ride the Matterhorn? It's a yeti or abominable snowman I would've taken. Number six. What company has a trademark on the word me's? That is Nintendo. Those are the little custom characters you can make believe me's number seven. What color T shirt does gene? Usually wear on. Bob's burgers. I have a funk. Oh, pop of gene in this very colored shirt. And it is yellow he's always wearing yellow number eight what nine to zero actor stars in the shark NATO series. I n zerang I've met him. I have a picture with them nicest guy of met in Hollywood. I'm hearing number nine who wrote the book miss Peregrine's home for peculiar children, the answers ransom Riggs, which I imagine is a pen name or writer. Name can't be a real name. Ransom. Number nine and number ten. What band had an album called significant other ninety nine limp. Iskit L IMP Z K, I T as they wrap so often limpest get number ten significant other listen to that album till it stopped working on my disc, man. That's right. The biscuit, I was down with the biscuit. I bet you are too. And you don't tell people about that. But you are at one point of you're about my age. That's how it goes. Thanks for listening. Today's episode guys. It's been a fun week of confidence rounds. Hopefully, you learn some totally random facts to share your next wine and cheese party. And maybe that parties tonight. And if you go to party, I'd love free to go. Hey, here's a weird fact about. Ransom Riggs or something. And you spit that out, and then they go. Where'd you hear that and you go? Ooh. The trivial buds podcast. You should listen. It's fun. It'd be right up your alley as my mom would say tell somebody about that will be great. I would love it. And that word of mouth is how the show becomes bigger. And better every day. If you want to support the show monetarily, go to patriot dot com slash trivia with buds. Thank you guys. So much for listening. Thanks for telling a friend. We'll see you tomorrow for more trivia with buds. Cheers.

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Tony Toscano On Air

Frankie and Jess

14:02 min | 9 months ago

Tony Toscano On Air

"Ninety seven one ht's Frankie in just show podcast here on iheartradio. Right now it's time for Tony Disgruntled Talking Pictures. We've got him on. Instagram instagram live. Tony joined. Yeah, there is I. I didn't see a request thing, so this is. You know what you're the fact that you're doing. It is amazing so good for you. But you look good. Hi, Hey, this is so cool! Are you in your office right now? I'm assuming that where you are right in my office I I. Think I'm a little too close to the camera, but oh my gosh, no, you look! This this is fine. Yeah, it's. Nice to see your face because we haven't seen you in forever, so it's cool. I see you guys, too. It's. been a while I think it's been like two months three months maybe. It's probably been at least three I'm thinking. Yeah, all right so handsome! I miss you so. WHO's the picture in the back there? The the woman? That's just above your head. So who is the? peewee Herman. Witherspoon is that race? I like that Reese Witherspoon. Myself looks like a baby. And! That's John Andy. That's that's John Candy here. Where right there on the other side? That's John Candy that's John Ma'am I was that and that's That's reese witherspoon, and that's me and star Trek picture. Back to the future. Where did you real quick? Where did you meet John? Candy years ago in Pasadena at a place called the handlebars. it was He was performing second city and I was in a class to take Improv and all of that and I met him there. Happened to have this weird picture of of him in that must be from That movie where they played security guards and I had autograph that for well years. That I'm trying to think when. Do. You know roughly what year it was. Eighty something eighty something I've heard of handlers. I got like this sounds like. Well I, it's gone. That was in Pasadena but this little hat here. that that's Robert Preston's hat from the music man so. Memorabilia yeah famous the eleven. My Life on Ebay Wiggle end up. Katie will sell everything. That's hilarious. It's it's already sold buddy. All Right? Let's start off with a few things that you're saying are pretty good to watch her, so you want to start off with the medicine. What's the medicine all about? Yeah, let's talk about the medicine. This is a brand new documentary on the history and future of the use of Iowa I. Don't know if you guys know what Iowa Aska is now. We've talked about that with a medicine. That's what what the Shamans and and they they do. The the trip and everything with the yeah, so okay. Yeah, mostly mostly desert South America Peru. It is an ancient psychoactive. Some people say it releases your your fears, your inhibitions and so this crew went down to Peru. to to find out not only how it works, but the history of how all this came together. It is an amazing. documentary about. How Big Pharma also wants to grab a hold of this and turn it into something else in the Shamans and the indigenous people down there are fighting tooth and nail not to let the secret out of how they make it, so it is a really really interesting documentary. It is available on all Vod platforms It's called the medicine and it is I like I, said I mean I'm GonNa. Give an a it's it's. It's just an incredibly watchable. Documentary and unlike other documentaries. This has been documentaries about this before. This is a not not about. The filmmaker's journey. It's actually the history of all of this, so the interview, a ton of people and I really got a lot out of it. I E at the end of it. You kind of get a little bit nervous about. What the future is for this what they're calling an amazing medicine so Put It on your radar and watch it I have a friend in in Michigan. I've talked about his childhood friend. I've known him since I was probably three, and he has done that exact thing what you're talking about with a High Alaska down in Peru. He's done it like three or four times, and he's had a lot of some pretty bad trauma in his life, and he swears by it, and we talked about the you know the Psychedelic as far as. As the that those types of drugs and how you know they're. They've been researching this obviously for a long long time, but it seems to be getting where people are a little bit more comfortable with accepting that there are some really good benefits with it. If it's done right, you know and controlled senses are in like the microdosing, and and that sort of thing, so it's called the medicine Vod and you, so you said it's an a. you gave it a solid. Holiday Yet If you're interested in this kind of thing it, it really will speak to you on on nominee, educational level, a spiritual level, and then a conservation of a level as well. I love that it's like an awakening, just learning more. How long is that? It's about an hour and a half a perfect okay. That's my attention span. Ninety minutes. After Ninety minutes ninety five minutes out. Core crossing swords as the next. What's that? Oh. I suggest just you don't take the of wash if you're watching. Them. So crossing swords the next thing that we're talking about. What is it? Crossing swords is is new. Hulu, it's a series. It's an adult animated series. I was wondering. I didn't know what the name like we talking about here it follows a peasant it in an ancient kind of kingdom who wants to be a night and ends up having a job as a you know as a house servant In, this weird in this weird realm, and and it's it's really not the job. He thought it would be. It's very much a How can I put this it? Uses modern humor, of course with you know ancient agent stuff and it's it gets funny, but the problem with it is. It's a one joke. Series it. They? They really can't pull it out of the muck and the Meyer it really doesn't go very far, but by the end of the first episode which are about a half hour long. You're thinking yourself well. This is just a a Lego rip-off cuss. So. It's just not. It's not going to hold your attention span more than one episode. I gave it a C.. It's very average once you once. The newness wears off and is rated TV as so. It's not really worth a lot of your attention. You can pinch all the episodes on on Hulu I suggest, get it out of the way you know, but I don't think you're going to last more than two episodes on this. That's what she said Yeah. And then the last one here we're GONNA talk about it in the the the trailers and the pieces that I've seen of it. Look really good and I'm hoping to hear good things from you. It's the King of Staten Island good movie. The King of Staten Island is a semi autobiographical. Look at Peak Davidson's life. He wrote it, and he stars in it. It's directed by Judd Appetito. and. The movie talks about a young man who lost his father who was a firefighter and lost him on eleven, and has been suffering from depression and mental illness, because of that, and this is Pete, Davidson story his father was lost at nine eleven a firefighter, and so he's really putting himself on the screen with this. It is both Funny it is. It is heartbreaking as you watch this this young man, just try to you know work his way into society, but. You know people just treat him so weird. that. He himself takes on that Persona I. Think I think a lot of people with mental illness as Pete Davidson, saids in this because of the way they're treated. They start treating themselves that way, and we need to understand a little bit more about depression about executive about all of this and why people. Are Shuffling through this world in these dark clouds. This is a really deep and open film. I mean I'm so proud of Davidson for putting this on the screen in this way because you're really looking at his life and it gets an a it is an amazing movie to watch is and judd aperture does a great job in in pushing not only the the dramatic elements of this for bringing out the humanity in it, the the the kind of humor that you have to have to be self self effacing so Yet this movie is is really breaking some some watch How can I put it? It's breaking some records as people watching it. So, yeah, it gets an A. It's an amazing film and it's available with vod video on demand. It is available on all the Oh! Okay perfect right right on Yeah, and again I. Just you know walk into this movie, not thinking that it's one thing or another and I think you'll you really really enjoyed the Marisa Tomei as amazing in this the the supporting cast is is incredible. Steve Shamny is. Does a great turn so again it's it's one of those movies it's. It's a must watch Ville. Bill Burr in it, so bill Burr plays the boyfriend that comes in, so he's the dude. I don't know if you're familiar with Bill Burr, but with the mustache I heard he does a great job in it as well. You. It's awesome. That competes been suffering for a long time. I love that he's using his platform to shine, because we do have a serious issue with anxiety and depression and people not knowing how to. Deal with treat that and it does have a stigma, and so I think this is really awesome. This is exciting. I'm I'm looking forward to this. And he said it was therapeutic doing this movie. You know and the fact that he's kind of working through. Some of the stuff on on film on camera was was actually beneficial to him. That's powerful. Yes, pretty cool, so we're excited to see it I'm glad you gave it an eight so for King of Staten. Island all right t man. Nice to see your face. You look good. Yeah, WOW! This is so this is so wonderfully unusual for me to do something like this so I appreciate this. Okay, so people are talking about. Can you talk about some of the real quick? The theaters that are open because a lot of people are saying hey. Are Opening. Do you have any? From last week. Yeah the are. theaters are opening, but there. Of course they can't run first run movies yet because you're not available, so some of them are running things like back to the future. And you know Godfather. And whatever if you're missing the theater experience, be careful. You know again because. I just you know. I worry about social distancing right now and I also worry about the cleanliness I. Don't think anybody's buying concessions right now. because again. There's a trust factor there, but I I think it's great if you if you get away for a few hours and and and and get that theater experience but again I think it's going to be a slow trickle back to the theaters. This may take till after July Disney's now in. Thinking about moving along of one more time ten was moved. A wonder woman was moved to to where they feel like maybe theaters open again. but a little. Just be careful, you know. I missed the theaters more than anybody else and I I'm I'm a little reserved in going. A, special thing, my numbers rise every day here in Dr, done than a press conference and said you know yesterday's numbers were like one of the biggest. You know here in Utah as far as in. We're not sure if we're seeing some of the the stuff from the protests or not, but it saying you know fact of the matter is that it's starting to spread in communities and we're. Our numbers are arising, so we just have to be careful and make sure we're not getting complacent with what we're doing because we're in a good spot as the state, but we just gotTa be careful. No yeah and I wanted to keep in that good spot. You know non-royal alarmist, but we're mask. Know for other people. If not for yourself and you know, let's let's just practice a little public safety and keep your hands wash and all that. Don't don't slack off on on that were we should be used to it now and. When you do, go just enjoy yourself have a good time. Right on I know megaplex. My friends works there, and they have like deep deep deep, cleaned those theaters, especially since the pandemic started and they closed, and they're really serious about keeping everybody safe, and like you said where mask and bring some wipes in your hand sanitizer and wash your hands and i. like the fact that we're. We're doing that, but it's like we're. Like the pre pandemic, why weren't we deep cleaning everything before like with airlines? And you know what I mean like as far as the that kind of thing, so it's, it's nice. That'll be a good takeaway from this, and it's like okay. We're deep cleaning. Well, you should have. Your should have been cleaning you now all right. He Man. It was nice to see it. We'll talk to you next. Friday have a great week. Can Happy Fathers Day Tony, thank you so much and you as well and I'M GONNA. Go now and deeply myself. All right, we'll talk next Friday. That's horrible segue now. And we love, and hopefully got a chance to see the instagram live. If not you check it out here and the Z. HD rampage. You've been listening to the ninety seven one. v Hd Frankie and just show podcast right here on iheartradio.

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The King Of Staten Island And What's Making Us Happy

Pop Culture Happy Hour

19:52 min | 9 months ago

The King Of Staten Island And What's Making Us Happy

"In. The King of Staten Island Comedian Pete Davidson plays a wayward stone or whose life isn't going anywhere. He still lives with his mom. He doesn't have a job and his plans for his life involve vague and foolish plan to open a tattoo restaurant. The film is directed by Judd. APPETITO, who also knocked up the forty year, old, virgin and trainwreck appetites, movies often involved protagonist faces some sort of. Of need to grow up and the King of Staten. Island may feature the biggest reclamation project yet. Davidson's character barely functions as an adult and through much of the film. We see a man child with a lot of growing up to do I'm Glen Weldon and I'm Stephen Thompson. We're talking about the king of Staten Island on this episode pop culture. Happy hour from NPR so don't go away. Support for this podcast and the following message come from pretty litter. Cats are notorious for hiding their illness. It's hard to tell if they're sick, but with pretty litter you can keep tabs on your cats. Health Pretty Litter is Kitty Litter two point. Oh, it changes colors to help detect early signs of potential illness. Pretty Litter is made of superlight crystals and naturally occurring minerals that are safe for your cat switched to pretty litter today by visiting pretty litter, dot, com, and use, Promo Code Happy Hour for twenty percent off your first order. Welcome back. You just met Glen. Weldon the NPR arts desk also with us. Is Our pal writer Cat Chow. Hey is a pleasure to have you with us now in some ways, the king of Staten Island mirrors the life story of its star Pete Davidson. Davidson's dad was a firefighter who died when Davidson was a kid he smokes a lot of pot. He lives with mental illness. As we mentioned John Appetite directs, and Pete, Davidson co-stars include Marisa Tomei who plays his mom bill burr plays her love interest. Who's also a firefighter? Plus there are performances from Maud. Powell Steve, semi and many others Glenn I'm GonNa Start with you. What did you think of the King of Staten Island okay well. Historically Pete Davidson is a guy who's appeal I have noted intellectually, maybe not deeply felt, and whose comedy I haven't so much. What is the word got so, but that doesn't matter right because I. Don't have to get it because there are plenty of comics out there. Who I deeply respect. Who Deeply get this? Guy, John Mullany and bill. Hader. They love him and they love his comedy. There is a wounded quality to his comic persona. Write something, vulnerable hangdog, and when this film started. I thought we were going to get. Get a very different kind of Pete Davidson. Origin Story you know. He says he doesn't care about his dead father. In one of the film's film's very early scenes, so I thought okay. This is what the Ark of this movie is going to be. That conviction is going to crumble. He might get a good will hunting. It's not your fault. Breakthrough scene and get in touch with his feelings and begin the process of healing. That's what I thought this film going to be and maybe if it wasn't directed by John Capital, it might have a tight narrative arc like that, but appetite doesn't do tight narrative ARCS, because his sensibility is so beholden to Improv. His films having more. If you're feeling Jenner, severe lived in quality, and if you feeling less generous, little shaggy, you kind of Shambo through the story, so this isn't about a characters. Emotional walls crumbling down because Mrs Pete Davidson. He doesn't have emotional walls he's he's barely has emotional shower curtain. This guy is an open wound from the jump, and if I have a quibble with the film, it's that there's on the nose quality to a lot of the dialogue which might be. Be, a byproduct of how much leans on Improv because the characters tend to tell us things that are already very clear, they repeat certain beats, and the film is counting on the vulnerability of Pete Davidson to carry us pass the fact that the character he plays Scott isn't just another appetite in self involved men, boy of the we is that he's not just self involved selfish and frequently cruel. I did end up. Liking this film a lot, but I don't believe that at. At the feet of Pete, Davidson I leave it at the feet of this amazing supporting cast, and would just wanted to spend more time with Yeah, you know. I think that Davidson had a law riding on his shoulders for this and I really commend what this movie is aiming to do, and showing this kind of protracted grief, because I think that's really hard to show in a lot of grief, narratives usually start with a loss, and then it follows maybe the year. Year or a couple years after that, and so to really be able to try to dig into. This was hard in general, and then as Glenis saying jet apoptosis style is very meandering and I think that we really really saw that. I read somewhere. That jet appetite said he wanted to show sacrifice when he was writing this script with Pete Davidson and at first I had a lot of trouble understanding with the sacrifice, really meant in terms of Scott's character, just being so. To Borrow Glenn's language, a man boy I mean there's so many moments where I kept thinking. Where is this going to happen? Whereas growth happening? But I really saw you know these glimpses of true emotional grappling happen when he was engaging with his mother, played by Marisa Tomei and his mother's new boyfriend, where the presence of this new firefighter in his life, this almost father figure. Really brought on all of these unresolved feelings of grief and grief can never really be resolved. It just changes shape based on where you are in life and I think this movie really tried to address that and tried to show that, and was successful in some of those closer moments with Scott and his mother and mother's boyfriend, but there were other parts just needed it to be pronounced a little bit more. Yeah, I agree with A. A lot of what you're saying I think going into this movie on paper I found myself questioning the need for it just looking at the premise I'm like. Do we need yet? Another man boy really do we need another like man boy who really should know better by now learns to grow up. So I went in with my arms folded a little bit, and this movie did kind of breakdown. My defense is over time, I! I think as much as I agree with Glenn I think it's an outstanding supporting cast I generally come out on the positive side of the ledger with Judd. Appetite though I do find his movies kind of frustratingly slow paced sometimes I ultimately was very impressed by the performance by Pete Davidson, even though he is by design, he is playing Pete Davidson he's not necessarily showing an enormous amount of range in who he's playing. He's playing A. A version of himself, but he still manages to take this character who is extremely selfish, behaves as Glenn said Cruelly, and yet you do still find yourself rooting for him to even have an arc. I ultimately found myself caring about whether this guy even has an arc and I did appreciate that this movie though it does, you can feel it. Start to steer itself into sentimentality a little bit about two thirds of the way through. I did appreciate that it didn't give this guy an arc that didn't feel earned. It didn't give this guy an arc that was like more pronounced than a guy like that would have in real life I think this is not a guy who comes out of a giant process. Massively fundamentally changed person. He is still going to run into brick walls, his whole life, because of who he is, and how he acts and so i. Came Down Liking this movie, and I also found myself thinking. You know this was supposed to screen at film festivals. This was supposed to get a big summer opening. This was supposed to come out on June nineteenth that was supposed to get like a big theatrical release, and instead they kind of had to do to world circumstances. put it out on video on demand, and I think this movie benefits from that. I think it benefits from. From home viewing, which gives you a chance to take those bathroom breaks to kind of sometimes sit with the characters for a few minutes before you go back in I think the kind of easy pace and easy charm of this movie I think sits better at home than it would have in the theaters. I agree I could see that I. Think the only thing I would do is I would adjust the fuel mixture here because some. Some of the story beats that gets just get repeated. And they established the character dynamics between two or more people, and those don't evolve. They just stay where they are, and that feels loose, and it maybe feels kind of true-to-life especially, when a character is as stuck as this guy has, but to this film's attornal credit. We've already mentioned her, but it gives Melissa Toma something to do something substantial. She's great in the man films. Films he's great and everything here. She got something to wrestle with, and also Pamela Adlon basically one scene, but she so great. It's not an emotional is a big scene. It is just she is just so in that moment so real. Pete's stunner friends played by Moi's. Arias Ricky Villa's and Louis Wilson when I saw them I was triggered, and I'm not down because they remind me of every bullying dirtbag who made my childhood hell? Some of those scenes, though I know they are so sweet and so charming. They win you over, but I do want to single out Bell Powell who played Kelsey, his girlfriend that part could have been such a type such a cartoon, and she is so real and smart. That's the thing that this film is enough to allow her to be. She is not. Not just successful more successful than he is because that is a low bar. She's very self aware, and she's aware about what he's doing to his life or not doing to his life, as the case may be right, and she kind of understands the circumstances and knows what she is owed in this, which I thought was a really outstanding choice on their. The way that Ricky Velez played one of the donor friends was I kind of walked the line in some instances that made me uncomfortable, but then also there are some moments where you could just really see his genuine friendship with Pete. Davidson that opening establishing joke where they reveal that Scott's father is dead is a knock. Knock joke where the punch line is your dad's dead and when I was reading about this I saw that that was. was completely improvised, and I thought that that was a really organic moment to kind of reveal, and it just felt very true-to-life. There were moments though where the friends and the plot points that they introduced didn't really add up or make sense to me the subplot where they decide to rob a pharmacy and this does not give much away because there's really nothing that happens with that. It made me deeply uncomfortable because you have these knucklehead twenty. Going in and Robbing Pharmacy and the owner comes out with a gun, and then the cops are called and I was just sitting there, watching it and I couldn't tell if my reaction to this might complete distaste. I had in my mouth was because of everything. That's going on right now with protests around police brutality, or if it's just the whiteness of this movie although it Staten Island, which very way I just made me feel all sorts of. Like nothing happens with this, so why? Why keep it? I think the nothing happens with this. So why keep it is a thought? I had several points in this movie, and I think it's one of the downsides of packing your movie with so many appetite. How we in slices of life I mean I think one of the issues that I had with the scene in the pharmacy? Is it involves? kind of steering completely away. From these characters, there are several characters who drop almost completely out of the movie without much resolution there long stretches of this movie where you're like alright, he has he has a mom. You know that because of the slight shape looseness of the plot. I do agree really strongly with something Glenn. Said about Morris until May and Maria Toe may is at a point in her very distinguished career where she's playing a lot of suffering MOMS, or in the case of spider-man suffering aunts and there's a minor detail in this movie that when it surfaced, I just found myself really appreciating it, she has this romance with this firefighter played by bill, Burr at some point, just the focus of the movie just decides to shift over to letting their budding romance, just kind of play out a little bit, and like you just get to see them have a few scenes where you see why they like each other. Other and why they'd may be into each other, and it's separate from this like that focus on this one selfish dude at the center of the movie, and you're suddenly like seeing like. Hey, there are other people in this guy's life, and they are living lives separately from him and I've really appreciated that I think it uses her really effectively, but it also shows that as selfish as the kid is at the center of this movie. His behavior has effects on lives that are also playing concurrently with his own. Yeah I thought that was so well done and just. Even the sister who is played by Mateo where you know, she's the younger sister, and before she leaves for college, she sort of houses. Sit Down talk with him where she's like. You need to get your act together. Watch over, MOM Yadda Yadda. We hear a lot of scenes like that and movies. It's a not uncommon narrative, but I think that the inclusion of these women in his family really really benefited the plot and. And the movement a lot. Yeah, you know what I hope. This film gets Staten Island some love because you know The character of Kelsey is a big booster of Staten Island and she's absolutely right. It's got great views fantastic view. Those are Nice. Use those beaches. This place could use some love. It could use some love, but like a lot of places like that. I wonder like it doesn't need too much love. In Staten Island to get to keep living in staten, island so right about giving any underrated place too much on. Catch any final thoughts for us. Yeah, I think overall. This film was mostly very thoughtful and very tender in a lot of relationships, one of the things that really seemed to stick out to me. That I felt also was unnecessary. Was this recurring theme of Jokes About Children? Where seemed as though every time? Scott appeared in a scene with a child. There had to be some acknowledgment of how strange. Strange or uncanny was and I could see this joke happening once, but the second third timer, so it fell gratuitous in a way that started to make me think this humor is just really not landing in this direction. You mean jokes where like Pete Davidson, is walking these kids to school, and there is this kind of constant commentary. Unlike is he a Predator? Is he crazy or is he? He's. He's dropping them off at daycare. And why is he doing this and you know maybe wants to acknowledge the strangeness of a Large Adult Man with a kid who might not be his, but it does not need to be pronounced here that I. do think they're going for something there where I think they're trying to establish like this guy is in this very weird in between place. Where like he? He has in some ways the kind of bearing and maturity level of a small child, but he is a fully grown twenty-four-year-old adult man, and so it is interesting like I think the movie is kind of trying to place how he has aged out of his behavior and a little bit, but I hear you. Yeah, that's fair I mean and I think if you look at the progression of. Scenes with children you know where he's giving one attached to, and then taking care of them I could, I could see that argument I think we've got a little range of opinions about this movie, but on balance I think we all. We all found it interesting, right? That was interesting. Not You know going to be in the top ten movies of my life, but I think it was. The Specific Lens of looking at grief something that I was really intrigued by all right well. We want to know what you at home think about the king of staten. Island find us on facebook at facebook dot com slash pch or tweet us at pch before we go. We wanted to let a few of our forth. Chairs share. What's making them happy this week? Take it away Neta Ulaby. You know it's making me happy. The new show upload on Amazon Prime. Upload created by Greg. Daniels the same guy who did the office and Parks and recreation and King of the hill, but this makes me think more of the good place up. Loot is set in a not too distant future where after people die, their friends or relatives can pay for them to be uploaded into a virtual heaven. Wherever they go depends on class a chorus, so you might have been a sort of pillar park, or you might end up in a luxury hotel there. Plenty of smart and funny jokes, About Bandwidth and Algorithms upload is really about questions like this is a person intellectual property. What do you owe someone who you know? Only as an Avatar, how does technology enable our? Our most selfish desires in this show talk to their dead loved ones to computers, which doesn't feel that different from how many of us are interacting with each other right now. Shirley upload did not mean to be this pressure when it started raising the question when you start life over in a different space. How much is it a chance to do things differently? Logan pop culture happy hour nation Chris Clinic here now that the apocalypse that my viewing diet of Stupi and Has Been preparing me for my entire life is finally here I find that what is making me. Happy is more in the vein of toast of London. This is a British Sitcom that initially aired on the BBC between twenty thirteen twenty fifteen. You can find it on Netflix. Now it stars, and was Co created by Matt. Berry You may know more recently from the what we do in the shadows TV show. He plays Stephen Toast a mediocre. Mediocre, middle-aged actor, whose lack of successes somehow gone to his head, he is very much in the tradition of comic characters who just don't see their circumstances. Clearly, his ambition is not really commensurate with his time, and there's a lot of fun satire of the pomposity and pretension of the theater scene here I know I'm not the only person in the pch orbit with a assorted passes a theater critic who will just eat that stuff up, but it's. It's more the absurd tone of the show. That's what I really respond to. There is more than a hint of flight of the conchords about this Um under the fact that Matt. Berry performs and original song in most episodes, and as a final bonus toasts agent is played by the great comic actor Dune mckeekan. She's a genius. The show is hilarious toast of London once again that Ulaby recommends upload on Amazon, prime and Chris Clinic recommends toast of. Of London streaming on Netflix that brings us to the end of our show. Thanks to you both for being here. Thank you, thank you, and of course thank you for listening to pop culture. Happy hour from NPR. If you have a second in your so inclined, please subscribe to our newsletter at NPR dot org slash pop culture newsletter. We'll see you all right back here on Friday when we'll be talking about the HBO Max Documentary on the record. Is Berg host of Mbr's asked me another this week. 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 Jerry Colonna: The Coach Who Tells You, Yes, It Is You

Hello Monday by LinkedIn

30:46 min | 1 year ago

Jerry Colonna: The Coach Who Tells You, Yes, It Is You

"From the editorial team. Lyndon I'm Jessi Hempel and this is how low Monday a show about the changing nature of work and how that work is changing us there are lots of executive coaches out there maybe work with one most of them focused on management strategies or how to communicate effectively effectively but then there's Jerry Colona he's known as the CEO Whisper or the career coach who makes grown men and women cry his his approach is pretty different. Jerry calls radical self inquiry two years ago. I wrote a story for wired about Jerry and I got to know him. He sort of the figure in Tekken media he's both inexperienced venture capitalist and a student of eastern religions. We all have things we don't WanNa talk about and these are the things that Jerry wants us to discuss. He believes that when we understand the things that scare us no matter what our jobs are we'll be better leaders and he has really practical optical advice he shares his approach to meetings. He talks about the importance of asking open ended questions and listening for the answers and he went through his approach daily journaling wing with me but we also dug his larger philosophy. We began where Jerry usually starts. You Know Jesse the first question that's really uncomfortable that I often ask people. How are you and isn't it interesting that when I see because what I say all the time is no really really. Don't bullshit me like how are you. I am genuinely interested in the person's life story and I think that's radical and I think it's radical that I asked I think there's a there's an there's an a an a discomfort in actually slowing down in pausing and being able to answer that foundational question. How am I doing and I think that's the heart out of it. We're wired socialized to actually not even pay attention to our hearts. Let alone the hearts of those with whom we work. It's so true. It's so hard to actually answer. The question of how you are. The hard part would seem on the surface is to disclose to you how I actually am but the harder part is to disclose to myself exactly how I actually am. That's exactly right. That's what makes it so hard. I understand why that happens in therapist's office. Why is that leadership coaching well. I'll give you give you an example of what I'm talking about a lot of times this exercise that we teach people and we borrowed it from some Nicole Paulie Bagel theory in which we ask people to check in at the start competing with red yellow green and It's just a simple way to identify how I am and I get that repeat that be like this like this bright divide that we have in society who I can't go there. That's gonNA feel like therapy. Wait a minute right. Imagine a group of five or six people sitting around trying to do product planning for twenty twenty. Four of them are in the red good luck with your product planning session that's right but we do that anyway and we tough it out and we steal ourselves us and we gird ourselves for this. Meanwhile somebody in the room is dying inside or has a parent who's dying or a child who is sick back or is in the middle of a divorce that they haven't disclosed and they may be the most talented person on your team but they're not one hundred percent their right to me obvious productivity tool to be able to get the whole a person to be able to show up. It's not the turn the product planning session into a therapy session. It's a turn the product planning session into an opportunity for really talented people to bring their whole sales work so structurally how do you do that. I mean let's talk through the Red Yellow Green exercise and I've actually seen in it work before if people are disclosing what we have come to believe as personal issues in this way. How do you respect it yet. Draw boundaries around it so that you can actually get the work at hand done well first of all. That's why I like using red yellow green and not saying how are you feeling because this is a little distance by naming it as a caller right right so I can say to you for example. I'm really in the red and it would feel oh best for me not to share the details but I just need you to know that if I'm short with you today. It has nothing to do with you. Oh good now we can just work right right or I might say. I've got some personal stuff going on that. I'm still working through and it's not clear for me what it is but just give me a little attitude. If I'm a little late in reply to your email that's all right right. That's not therapy. That's human right well. This idea of being your whole self it is it is is an idea to my mind. That's having its moment. There are a lot of different people that are carving off pieces of it but I think that the problem with that is that sometimes it gets misinterpreted patented. So what do we mean when we talk about bringing your whole self to work or to any other engagement well because she said two things one is it's having a moment and then what does it mean and I want to speak to the moment I I think part of what's happening. Is that slowly slowly slowly. were making making it safe to talk about the things that were uncomfortable with. I don't know that it'll be permanent. I don't know that OB forever I think that elders like myself. That's what I consider myself who are are willing to talk about our own. Struggles are modeling. Something really really really important. which is that everybody struggles? Everybody's trying to figure it out. Everybody occasionally feels lost everybody. Everybody has a bad night. Everybody fights with a loved one. Everybody worries and it's those facts don't make us broken as people they make us human and in that humanity we get to be connected but to your real question which I forgot now. You've answered the real question which is what does it mean to bring your whole self right where Gortat any other contact right I bristle sometimes at the over use of the words authenticity invulnerability and the reason is that sometimes just like mindfulness just like these these words that become invoke it creates an unrealistic standard for people I like the notion of bringing the whole self the mess of me the fullness of me because there's an implicit permission to to be whoever you are in that moment now that doesn't give you the right to spill out all over everybody else you still responsible danceable to to hold yourself as as an adult and hold the container of you but in bringing the whole self to work what I often say to leaders who question well if I do this then what's going to happen to productivity output in things like that what I often you say that some of our best and brightest ideas stem from the places that have shaped us and maybe even the places that we think are painful and so we want if I am your colleague and I would like you to bring the fullness of your capacity acidy then that means everything not just quote the good stuff well. There was a point in your life when your life was completely outwardly successful you had hit the barks people looking at what you were doing by any measure would call it successful and and you felt inwardly like you need to. Rian vision it and so it has made me think differently in newly about your own shift oft from venture to the great unknown whatever comes next and I'd love tell us that party or story yeah so you're referring varying to my late thirties and at the end of my second venture firm but my best known venture firm Flatiron partners which is launch with Fred Wilson Elson and you're right. I was outwardly receiving a lot of accolades and we were getting some criticisms in the early part of Web one one point zero because people were you know stocks were declining and all that but for the most part the the view was that I remember New York magazine Zine writing. About Fred and I am calling us the prince's of New York and you know for a kid from Brooklyn. That's pretty pretty awesome but the dissonance is that I felt was visceral. It was in my body and I knew that there were feelings that I was having and stuff going on inside that just simply did not match the the image that was putting out the persona that I was carrying and I it was like I was trapped in an uncomfortable suit of clothes and that was slowly choking me to death and and there are a whole lot of other forces at play culmination of many the years of depression that that you know that I would dance with and real questions that go back to my childhood but but but the most catalyzing catalyzing piece was this business that I was feeling and I'd actually left Flatiron partners by that point joined with J. P. Morgan their private equity investment group which used to exist called J. P. Morgan partners and I was part of the team investing in technology and so was I was a partner in at twenty three billion dollar fund and so for those who are in the private equity space. They know the size. That's a big fund. we did everything thing from Brazilian railroads to jet blow to you know tiny little websites kind of thing and I was in pain and I would come into the office and I would actually Carey Rocklin who works at Union Square ventures is still very very close friend. She was working with me at the time and J. P. Morgan and she would look up in me and she could just tell from the look on my face and she'd say bad day and that's a bad day Carrie and say okay cancel you meetings and I would just hide are closed the blinds in my office and I would just hide. What did he understand about that pain? Then I was convinced it was evidence of my unworthiness and my own love ability ability and that all of the whispered beliefs that I had since a child were true that I was not just a fraud. I was con artist and that you know I I I tell a story in the book about running away from after an argument with my mother and making your promise to myself self under the wonder wheel Ferris Wheel Coney Island that I was not going to live at life and the truth is Jesse. I was living that life Carl young psychoanalysts said until you make unconscious consciously it we'll director life and you will call it fate and so what that point shifted because here's the thing. Jerry I think the probably a lot of people a lot of people listening to this podcast are walking around in okay positions feeling like inner frauds like they don't belong like they don't. I WanNa be doing the thing that they're doing what precipitated the change well. I had a choice and I could die I or I could live and I chose to live and I don't say that lightly those who successfully suicide which is an interesting phrase isn't it or more likely than not have uh-huh tempted at least once before and so I was in that space and I I cannot tell you how fortunate I was that I had the wisdom and clarity had been working with a psychoanalyst Dr Servers for a number of years at that time in I instead of acting on the impulse call Dr Sayers and you've told me about that day and it was a specific day in New York so close after nine eleven February February second standing outside of Ground Zero two thousand doctor says she sounds like a pretty awesome woman I teared up because she passed away last year and at ninety three and we worked together for until about six seven months before she passed away yeah she she said the right thing to me. The time she said to me was I went in and I said you know. She always used humor and she said I said Dr Saves put me in a hospital. I'm done and she said what do you want to go to the the hospital for the food socks rich go to Canyon ranch. You'll get a massage everyday and I needed that. I needed that like okay okay. Let's it's just like. Let's make it a little light right now and I did that. I went to Canyon ranch and that was like for me. That was that moment. Thomas like I try to rebuild things and you know within two months afterwards I I ended up leaving gaping Morgan at the end of that year sure but and so in the years afterwards really I I kinda just try to figure the shit out. Yeah you know and I really lucky and privileged that I had the capacity to just say you know I'm not GonNa do anything I mean I I was consulting assaulting and I was sitting on twenty two boards of directors still being crazy about that but but for the most part I wasn't striving. I wasn't pursuing any more. You're coming up after the break. Jerry talks about how he figured out what to do next in the meantime. I wanted to take a moment to tell you about another podcast said the editorial team here at Lincoln making it's called this is working last episode. You might have heard the show's host. Dan Roth come on. He told us a bit about what it's about but for this show I wanted to give you a few highlights episodes what you can expect there's an interview with John Foley the CEO Peleton. There's a mantra heard at one point into that I've stuck with is higher specialists promote generalists and Diane von Furstenberg. If you focus on your power you either get hurt or you who fail if you focus on your energy you stagnate but if you spend a lot of time on your intention you will have the energy and the power and creative people like Judd appetito. My nerves are more about making bad things about making successful things. If you like what you you hear checkout Dan's podcast. This is working. Wherever you get hello Monday okay back to Jerry. I wanted to know more about coaching other people. You know the way that you came into this part of your career as you've described it to me. It's almost as if it were calling to you as if you didn't go out insecure it but in fact it called out to you. Somebody asked you help me in this way absolutely. Do you think that's how careers reveal themselves. Are these vocation reveal themselves. What's the difference role vocation if you if you understand the etymology of vocation means a calling from God career is oftentimes the thing we choose oftentimes to either prove our parents right or wrong right well you now. I remember the day around that time period where a guy came into a wanting to connect because he he was a lawyer and he wanted to get a job in a startup and I asked him my simple question of what needs to be a lawyer in the first place it was obvious he was miserable and he started talking about pleasing leasing his father and you know I believe that most of our early unconscious choices are made in response to the wishes for love safety and belonging and sometimes we choose a career so that we belong to our parents so that they so we know we fit in to the the the family in a particular way sometimes we choose a career to who live out and quiet the incessant anxieties parents may have for our safety so I'll be fill in the blank this career my I often will say this. You know I can't tell you the number of people who your doctors and lawyers and you know those kinds of professions because the perception is it's a portable job and you can always make money yes and the truth with this so far removed from that right. Is that what we call mid life you know about where I am. yes and threshold moments like that occurred us time time and time again. I do believe that there is a developmental piece of this where the life that we created for ourselves in our twenties I was was talking before about in relationship to our family of origin we often eventually establish our all right entity in our twenties and then by the time Earth Thirties roll around. We start to live into that identity. We may couple up up. We may eat you know advance in our careers we make by our first home. Our first nest and part of what starts is to happen. Is that the belief that we have carried since childhood which is that once. I figure out all that stuff then I will feel worthy the above that starts to not come true and then we're faced with a much deeper deeper deeper challenge which is well if that's not gonNA happen. How am I going to feel peace of mind. I mean I once had a client very very prominent. VC come into my office early on in our time together and he said I went to all the right schools. I played played all the right games. I did it right. Why am I still miserable and it's at that moment that's ripe with Possibility posssibility and it's scary and there are many many human beings face with the privilege of being able to come to that moment of potential actualization and choose to walk away from it and then we wonder why they're suffering organizations. That's got to be a hard choice. It's oftentimes a safe choice right so most of our listeners won't have the opportunity to work with you but many of the MIT when exports some of the things that you think about and work on do you have any exercises that have really mattered for you and helping you to do some of this radical self inquiry on your own. Yeah I mean I'm a big big fan of open. Honest questions open ended questions beyond even the how are you and so some of the questions I will often ask people to to think about whether it's in a workshop or a presentation or something like that or you know as I mentioned before for if your child or a nephew or niece to come to work for your organization. How would you feel. What kind of adult belt are you becoming because I think we're always in the process of that becoming. And what kind of leader do you aspire to be. You know implicit in the question of what kind of leader is the notion that there are more than one kind of leader and I think that that's really the important in really liberating. I think for example a lot of people walking around with a belief system that there's some hidden playbook some secret way to lead that no one has told them there are so many books on leadership that make it into ten part formula and I'll tell you books on leadership that do that and books on wellbeing do that too and I think that they do a disservice to be honest. I think there are a lot. There's a lot of good wisdom hidden in those books but the problem with the packaging is they tend to reinforce the negative self you that I don't know what I'm doing and the truth is I often think my Buddhist teacher Pamacho jains teachings on the pathos path. This is a much harder path to leadership you mean. I have to figure it out myself. Yes the good news is if we can normalize the process of talking about these issues. If we can de stigmatize the fact that it's hard we can have dialogue that says what was it like for you and then you share that with me and then I can glean from that wisdom that I might need to hear not methodology that leads system sort of perfect output but a way of being that is integrated and quite frankly in accordance with that vocational calling that notion of who am I to be in the world so when it comes to trying to decode an answer some of that ourselves Jerry. I know that you're a you're a fan of journaling. I'm a fan end of a handwriting even though my handwriting is indecipherable in incomprehensible even to me because because I like to make the experiences whole body as possible and I've been doing this so I was a kid and I generally we start off with right now. I'm feeling or some variation on that. and it's a kind of how are you to myself. D- do it. At the same time. Every day I wake usually between five and six I make coffee or tea and journal usually for forty five minutes. Maybe an hour and then I will sit in meditation and I try as best as I can not even glance at the phone. I'm I'm pretty good about that and I try not to. as I say leave that sleep zone back quasi sleeps on because I think it's a very enrich transitional time in the morning and I look at my friend Jesse. Now I will say yes when I had Munchkins. This was really heart. I could ever wake up earlier than Jude. It's really like five ten. Am Did you do it then yeah. It's really easy to blame the reason for not doing it. On external things especially kids yes yeah yeah yeah yeah and and I don't want to make light of the fact that just bouncing all the demands of a complex do income family with caregiving and maybe even taking care of parents and our relentless kind of thing is is really really hard but I also believe that there there are moments of breath that are available to us throughout the day and and and I I realized I may be coming across his kind of judgmental. I'm not I just I know that this has worked for me right and each journaling session feels like a therapy session for me and you don't go back and read them right. I do not go back. I can't in writing. I keep them yeah I don't. I don't get rid of them. They're all locked away in a in a storage unit right so well. We'll so at the end of that piece. I wrote about you a couple of years ago. I attempted to sum up what you were getting at and we never we got to talk about it so I want to read it to. You and I want you to tell me if I if I'm close resilience that's what Colona Aims for are in his coaching sure. He liked the entrepreneurs with whom he works to kill it at their jobs. He liked them to be happier because he doesn't WanNa be happier but really he wants everyone to figure out what he has figured out the very hard way. Life Sucks Senate's okay. Life is great and it's okay. Life goes up and that's okay. Life goes down and it's okay. That's a I think that if we can each hold onto that that's right first of all you got it in second if we can each hold onto that and going about our days we will be better better. Parents better partners better leaders better colleagues better citizens and we'll be better humans yeah well. Thank you so much for coming in to see me today. Jerry thank you that was Jerry Colona alona. If you want more of his tips check out his book it's called reboot leadership in the art of growing up and if you or someone you know is struggling with suicidal thoughts you can call the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline at one eight hundred two seven three eight two five five. You know I keep thinking about his red. Yellow Green Green approach to meetings meetings driving crazy. There are some I need but a lot that I don't and even when I need them. Sometimes they feel unruly so listeners I want to hear about your best meetings and your worst ones what makes meetings work email us at hello Monday at Lincoln Dot Com or post about at the show on linked in using the Hashtag hello Monday if you enjoyed listening subscribe and rate us on Apple podcasts. It helps new listeners find the show next week. I'll talk to the writer. 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Steve Coogan Buys Into 'Greed'

The Frame

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Steve Coogan Buys Into 'Greed'

"It from the broadcast center at KPCC. This is the frame John. A today's show will the massive south by southwest festival. Go on as planned or will it fall victim to pandemic fears then in the new movie greed? Steve coogan plays a billionaire. One percenter also featured in this satire ECONOMIC INEQUALITY REAL. Syrian refugees to persuade people to question. The belief may be questioned so they thought to be true. You either making lock do one of those two things. You're Hof way to making them. Think twice and with the band kiss on its final tour. A lifelong fan says farewell. That's Today in the frame. We'll be right back. Welcome to the frame. I'm John Horn every year. A few hundred thousand people gathered in Austin Texas for south by southwest. It's an international festival of music film and Technology but with the threat of the corona virus at hand. Some people are saying that bringing massive crowds into one place could be a very bad idea. Facebook twitter Amazon and a few other tech and media companies. Already have dropped out of the festival which starts on March thirteenth. South by southwest organizers. Say they're nevertheless moving ahead. Dan Sullivan is a writer for Texas monthly and he joins us from Austin Dan. Welcome to the show for having me so before we get into the impact of the corona virus. Let's talk a little bit about just. How big south by South West is in terms of its physical presence in Austin? How much are people's lives affected when the festival comes to town? Well it's huge. It takes over a giant chunk of the city several miles especially the downtown area but also beyond that it does have a huge impact. Let's talk about some health. Concerns from people who live in Austin and online petition calling for a total cancellation of south by southwest. West has more than forty thousand signatures. I've been to south by southwest. It's been a number of years but like any popular gathering. There are a lot of people in a lot of lines it can be getting into a movie can be getting into a club getting into a restaurant. You are very much cheek to jowl with a lot of your fellow festival guests and I guess that's something that a lot of people might be concerned about. It's not just that you're inside venue with a lot of people. But they're massive crowds basically wherever you go on all the streets and a lot of public spaces. Yeah that is a very real part of the concern is that it's just going to put a lot of people in close quarters. The festival did talk today about potentially encouraging people to be further physically apart from each other whether that means capping the capacity at venues or starting a standing in line protocol. I don't know specifically but it's something that seemed to be aware of the head of twitter. Jack Dorsey was scheduled to speak but he's since cancelled. Because of the company's concerns about the corona virus in fact twitter said in a statement that it was cancelling all quote non critical business travel and events unquote. Who else has bowed out so far. We've seen twitter facebook Amazon Amazon Entertainment Amazon studios when out today. Tick Tock went out today. A measurable which usually has a pretty sizeable south by South West presence. Cancel yesterday. There's probably more to. We're talking with Texas monthly writer. Dan Solomon about south by southwest and concerns over the corona virus. I WanNa talk a little bit about the economic impact of south by southwest. Obviously there are a lot of hotels and restaurants that benefit but it seems from your own reporting. There are a lot of smaller businesses. That really rely on south by Southwest Festival didn't happen they'd be in a big amount of trouble. Yeah that's absolutely true. One thing that it's kind of hard to break apart is south by southwest rise with the rise of Austin Austin city of that is rapidly growing population and that growth has coincided with the rise of south by southwest. And so you've seen a lot of people and a lot of businesses that factor south by South West heavily into their business models. So you've got caterers. Who opened up operations because they knew that every march they could pay a third of their monthly bills. Off of one week I talked to all sorts of people who have jobs that you wouldn't think of as a south by southwest thing carpenters and pedicab drivers and people who rent Porta potties. And all of those people really do count on South by southwest as a huge part of their annual income. I think it's also important to note that south by southwest can be an important launching point for musical acts and for movies right now. I think there's about one hundred world premiere films including new movies from Judd Appetito. There's a documentary. About the Beastie Boys New King Arthur movie with Patel. I'm wondering in terms of its impact in the conversation about art and artists. How important would you say south by southwest has become? It's huge. I mean especially. The film festival has been growing every year and people like John. Appetite Tau like if he can't premier his movie at South by southwest any other film festival in the world would be happy to have him but there are a lot of people who get a benefit from small filmmakers independent filmmakers short filmmakers who get a benefit from premiering their phone at the same festival judd appetite out of festival with the prestige of south by southwest. And that would be. It'd be really difficult for people who are counting on that premiere to make connections to launch their careers to lose it as far as musicians. Go The festival itself doesn't pay very well but there are all of these events. Historically that happened around the festival often paid for by companies like Amazon and facebook and twitter. Who Get pretty good paychecks? And you'll see bands who wrote their entire tours around going south by South West so they can play. Fourteen shows in Austin that week including official showcase and without that economy happening it really does have a huge disruptive effect on a lot of Art Creativity. That's at the core of the festival the organizers of MIB TV which was set for later this month in France just cancelled that annual television convention. I'm wondering if you have any idea of what the organizers of south by southwest are trying to wrestle with now what is the balance they're trying to strike? I mean. I think that they do have a real concern. Certainly the city of Austin has a real concern if it makes more sense to have everything under the control of south by southwest which can at least institute hand washing protocols and recommended safe distances and have some authority over the people who who come to town for the festival versus just having sort of a chaos festival because all of those bands who booked their tors to Austin. Most of them are hand to Mouth. Starts Musicians. Who CAN'T AFFORD TO CANCEL? Literally they already took time off of work. They're going to be coming anyway. You know people who aren't traveling on badges people who are just coming to south by South West to have a good time a lot of them are still gonna come so I think that a big part of the concern right now is. Is it more useful for south by South West to continue to have control over what happens in Austin or is it more useful to just say everybody stay home? This isn't a safe place to be. And I think that they're legitimately struggling with that. And I'm sure there are also struggling with some very real financial considerations it will be hard to me bound from cancelling something that they've worked on all year. I think that there's a real resistance to that. Just because this is all they do south by southwest project of another organization. They put on this festival for ten days in March and having to cancel it just days before it's supposed to begin. It's supposed to start a week from Friday. I think that's something that they're just resistant to do. Because they've been working on it for a year then Solomon is a writer for Texas monthly. He joined us from Austin Dan. Thanks so much for coming on the show. Thanks for having me and in other corona virus news in Hollywood. Mgm is delaying. The release of its next James. Bond film called no time to dive. The movie had been scheduled to open internationally on April second and be released in the United States on April tenth. It has now been moved to November coming up next on the frame actor Steve Coogan and his new film greed. Welcome back to the frame. I'm John Horn lately when Steve Coogan has shown up in movies directed by Michael Winterbottom. He's traveling around Europe with Rob Brydon but greed. The latest movie star in Coogan and directed by winterbottom is a lot different from the trip movies. It's a satire about a billionaire. Fashion MOGUL WHO exploits garment workers in Asia avoids taxes in the UK? Lines has families pockets and yet still feels. He doesn't have enough in this scene. Coogan characters mother and his ex wife have just arrived on the Greek island where he's throwing himself and over the top birthday party. Dash INS KYLIE. Jenner has got a rebellion in transition cover. Forbes will then she was a very good person basic eighty and she is actually through to the new. Steve Coogan has a unique ability to make otherwise odious characters. Appear funny but ingred. The humor is there to serve a larger purpose. This particular film Michael wanted to say something about inequality And the the the emergence of these new billionaire class which is a measure of the last twenty thirty years and seems to escape the scrutiny somehow and the film Is an attempt to shine a light on that. The huge gap between the rich Paul In a way by making something that's entertaining and tons funny and strange and interesting Without seeming to sanctimonious. Do you think that's something that narrative film can do in a different way than documentary? Not Better but in a different way because the film ends with some cards about inequality and about pay conditions in sweatshops that you would see typically at the end of a nonfiction film. I think we'll narrative can do is tell a story it's a human story you know We have documentum we. We have a news. Reports and good journalism The report facts and most people many people might make judgments based on the facts that they Accumulates but many people don't fix prejudices as a matter. How many facts figures and statistics? She presented to to support your argument. If they've got a fixed prejudice they'll stick with it and the good thing about Narrative is you tell a story and if you tell a story and you entertain people laugh or touch somewhere. Engage them on a human level. Then I think you're more likely to make them. Think about the sort of the subtext of the film when you and Michael. We're talking about playing this character. How did you go about figuring out what he sounded like what he looked like? How big his teeth were. What were the components of putting this character together Well he's got very big teeth and they're very very white even even by Los Angeles Standards They all very white So WE WANNA make him in some ways that the film is funny satire on the super wealthy but in actual fact this sort of soup white teeth of all year round Perma Tan and Sort of blow dried hair might seem exaggerated. It's not really exaggerated in fact the the behavior of the carrots because he's pretty obnoxious and unapologetic and flamboyant and and crude His his behavior is really no exaggeration. It's older many successful. People have bombastic nature so we didn't really even though it's just don't feel really exaggerating anything but but but there's a lot. There's lots of lots of billionaires that you can draw on and many of them are quite charismatic. Even fail even as it can be quite diabetic and sometimes bullying the character that you play in. This film is having an elaborate birthday party. There's even a subplot that involves some refugees who are camped on the beach that might ruin the backdrop for the birthday party. They they're coming. What was it? Ju- Cathedra Syrian refugees. Whole thing's widen bit further getting rid of swell the refugees and find refuge somewhere smack bang in the middle of you probably beats in gray sold. His public guests so very superficial. He's not joking no. He's not joking but he sort of says increase of Acerbic Way and the refugees actually by the way Real refugees who played themselves Syrian refugees. Who ended up in the Greek islands having escaped from Syria and Yes I'm Michael. Wants to introduce the idea of the refugees. Because there's another group people who we try to not. We don't like to think about you know when you go on holiday. These results on holidays the Greek islands and then on the island next door is there are tens of thousands of Refugees stuck there under sort of living in limbo When we were making this movie westbound one week in Monaco on CBS. A hundred and fifty thousand dollars a day to rent the next week Grin Salunke in garment factories whether paid for five dollars a day sometimes by rushing less three dollars fifty a day and the the There's a direct relationship between the super rich and the Super Bowl on. It's something that people don't like store attention to certainly the the super rich don't and they are often the people who control the means of communication but Ready what we do. You don't often see those two worlds. The world's will disempowered dispossessed in the same film as you see Glamour and And into ostentatious displays of wealth. So we want to in within the same film. Bang them against each other to to make it sort of crystallize. The problem is. How do you get the refugees and the people working in sweatshops to participate and not exploit them as they've been exploited in the past well Those who were engaged the crew in the ones who who in the scenes Paid same as any professional person would be paid and Of course the garment factory and in the in fact there's hundreds of people effectively west make a documentary that because we're pointing a camera so that that being paid for what they do. What we did do though is make a contribution to This sort of the union that pressure group who tried to improve their living standards for the wages of people. Working those places so So we made sure that we discipline constructive. We're talking with Steve Coogan about his new film greed. I'M GONNA ask a little bit more about the style of comedy in the film. How would you explain the way that you approach comedy? I'm well we we have. We use live improvise ation as soon as the movies with Michael Trip The the phone coming out with a trip to Greece with the Spain to Italy and so on Within those films we do a lot of improvisation and in this feeling greed more heavily scripted. But the the the Huma isn't Contrived a comic conceits that you might get in a broad comedy. Michael scientists be sort of have An authenticity to them so any humor that comes out and says it comes out. The character comes out of the Social Situation. And sometimes that means it's funny sometimes. It means he's quite serious in the movie yet she takes a dark turn And it's the final expert. Some comedies very useful. When you're trying to tell a story because if you're trying to us in that you important no one wants to have a lecture but they they if they laugh then they'll kind of relax a little and they'll be more open to what you've got to say. Oh I would say that if you even persuade people to question their beliefs or maybe question something that I thought to be true. You either make them laugh and cry and she do one of those two things you. You're halfway to making them. Think twice. There was an early version of this film where Michael Winterbottom. At the film's conclusion had cards. That represented the net worth of a couple of fashion Fashion Moguls H owner stuff on Pearson worth eighteen point three billion dollars and Zara owner Amancio Ortega whose worth seventy billion dollars. Those are no longer on the film because Sony Pictures said we don't want that. I've said it so that that those numbers are out there Michael pleased. Yeah and maybe these guys would be pleased. Is that a little bit frustrating. That what was important to Michael doesn't get to be in the finished film a little bit. Yeah and he he He got he got off his chest a in earlier interviews but You know I have some sympathy for Sony but what we what. Michael wanted nothing. It wasn't in the public domain. It wasn't any great revelation. He was just elevating the information. So I I can understand why he is so frustrated when they have don't want to shine a light to specifically on there's absolutely nothing there's no there's nothing about nothing slanderous and the important thing about the film is that it's about it's about system which is broken youth forty years ago. We had this huge new experiment with free market economics and when Thatcher and Reagan endorsed. It and forty two told the time that trickle-down economics would benefit everyone and a lot of people now standing around saying well hang on this has been going on for years whereas the trickle down effect. I'm curious how much you knew about this inequality issue before making the film and in making it. Did it. Change your behavior because I have to say. After I watched the film I went and started looking at the tags closed to see where they were made. And if they were made in Bangladesh or long replaced that have historically bad records of sweatshop conditions ee. Yes it did. And of course People who have the economic means to make choices whether by close it might be slightly more expensive but made ethically that's of course something they can do but we're not even really pointing the finger consumers for making these choices because almost every store operation this way what we're trying to say Have a conversation where we changed system and also put it on the agenda in some way. I think it's just spoke about more. You know many things that went on the agenda. I'd say twenty years ago like Gender Politics Diversity environment these subjects that weren't really discussed on our front and center on the news agenda but something that Until quite recently escaped scrutinised issues despic- between the rich and the poor about think is starting to be talked about more than it feels like. The time is ripe in American over. The election is something that is starting to be spoken about. And I think it's it's a it's a good thing. Steve Coggins new movie is called. Greed is in theaters. Now Steve thanks so much for coming in pleasure coming up on the frame kisses on its farewell tour and super fans reveal the deep emotional ties to the band that transcend makeup and big hair. Welcome back to the frame. John Horn fans of hard rock and heavy metal aren't well known for exploring their inner emotions but now that the rock pioneers kiss are on their goodbye. Tour fans are sharing their feelings. The frame contributor. Paul ratliff himself. A lifelong fan wanted to tell their story a story of a bomb. That goes beyond the band's makeup and theatrics so it's nineteen seventy eight. I am seven years old and I'm sitting in a giant walk in closet and my best friend Robbie's bedroom. The closet is lit by a string of Christmas lights. He puts a needle on record. Hands me an album cover and I hear this Robbie points to an illustration on the album cover and tells me that a demon is singing. In that moment I experienced a kind of imprinting kiss instantly becomes my first favorite band and right there. Yes in a closet. I become a lifelong member of the kiss army in one thousand nine hundred ninety eight kisser the biggest band in the world. It's an era that die hearts refer to as Super Kiss. There were books magazines TV movie and Merchandising Campaign. The likes of which the industry had never seen removing makeup makeup worn by Jean Paul in the eighties as I struggled into my teenage years kiss struggled to compete with the hair metal bands of that era in an act of self preservation and maybe the most exciting event of my childhood kiss surrendered their makeup and were reborn as actual human being exclusively here on MTV. This evening we're going to see kiss without their makeup for the very first time what emerged was a different kind of kiss. This kiss championed the underdog they were anti authoritarian and they were all about self empowerment. This is the kiss. I loved the most as a gay kid growing up in a tiny desert military town with a homophobic father in the Reagan era. I needed this version of kiss and while my father was policing my clothes and my hair kiss was sending me a completely different set of messages. When kiss announced they were going on their last tour ever. I had a surprisingly strong emotional response and I started to notice that other fans were having similar experiences so I wanted to talk to them and I knew just the place to go figure right now. We are standing here in our love. It loud rock and roll wedding chapel. So it's our kiss wedding chapel. It's all themed out for rock and Roll Michelle. Vermillion is general manager of what's essentially a giant kiss refuge inside the Rio Hotel in Vegas where they have kissed themed weddings and glow in the dark mini golf venue have the largest public collection of kiss memorabilia. So it's almost like a museum right inside of our venue With tons and tons of items that kiss fans love to check out and some of those fans become employees. Why at Allison who is twenty one years old discovered kiss in a video game when he was eight? They're the most realist form of Superhero. That you can ask for you have spiderman and you have whole can and all which is cooling all. No one does it. The way cast does Gene Simmons spitting blood and Paul Stanley fly into the middle of the crowd degrees fans. It never gets old for Kiss Fan. I'm the product of bloody divorce from my parents so I buried myself in my room and I had a lot of Glenn. Rhodes is a former employee who has followed the band for over forty years. They were my family. My family was fighting each other and I was in my room listening to kiss. And that's they got me through back in the Chapel Lucy Veltri. A makeup artist is helping a bride. Get Ready Right now. I am putting on a base coat of white and I do that with a sponge because I kind of gives it. The airbrush looked instead of having kind of like brush. Strokes streaks dusty. Is marrying her boyfriend? Tennessee? After twenty years together she will have Paul Stanley's makeup whiteface black star over Herreid. I what inspired you to have a kiss themed wedding. Our daughter has autism and she has a huge attraction to kiss and she wanted to have something fun and we wanted to do something fun for her. So that's why you have that. She's come through so much the fact that she's out here moving around and you know it's all about McKee. She deserves as much life as anyone else. But yeah last night. So you're big kiss fan yes sir. What what is it that you like about kiss music? A lot of people also are even vocal but you can put music in their life and opens up every poor. They're being. That is why we're doing this today. And what's up your makeup. Don't cry don't cry for the frame. I'm Paul ratliff you the kiss end of the road tour as at Staples Center tonight. Don't forget to rock and roll all night and as I thought the lyric actually went part of everyday. And that'll do it for today. I'm John Horn. Thanks for listening for back here tomorrow at the Mon Broadcast Center.

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Which Horror Movie Director Should Direct a Superhero Movie Next? - Mailbag

Collider Movie Talk

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Which Horror Movie Director Should Direct a Superhero Movie Next? - Mailbag

"Thank you. For listening to this podcast, one production and caller number nine for one million dollars. Read a complete this quote life is like a box of Rita. You're cutting out. We need your answer. Oh, sorry. That's not what we were looking for on caller number ten. Network. Got you glitched out of luck. Switch to boost Mobile's super reliable super fast nationwide network and get four lines each with unlimited gigs for just one hundred dollars a month. Plus get four free phones. Loose makes it easy to switch pitching. Makes it easy to save. Happy Sunday morning. Welcome to another episode of collider mailbag, and I'm your host John Rocca getting ready. I you know, I stretched out this morning at some good breakfast. Because I knew I was going to get in the ring with one of my favorite, friends and colleagues and also adversaries Jeff Snyder. Welcome back to back. Are you? I'm great. I'm great. I'm curious though, John what did you have for breakfast this morning? I had eggs and Turkey, sausage and pancakes. So I'm all carved up. Wow. Let's do this. How about you? I don't eat breakfast. It's for the week fair enough. I really just had oatmeal. That's the way it goes. Now. Oh. Oh for Beverley. How're you doing overall, man? How's it going with you? I'm hanging in there. Yeah. Yeah. All right cinema. Con looking forward to some some March madness. Yes it off. Yeah. Scott manse was on yesterday for Mellberg. And he mentioned that the Tribeca film festival's coming up as well. And they're doing. Fortieth anniversary of Apocalypse Now called pockets. Now, the the final cut a whole new cut of the movie and released in four k they that's excite that excites. I think you're gonna say forty anniversary like celebration of Scott manse. No, definitely be on forty those. We don't know. All right. So we're going to answer questions. You know? Jeff's went on the show before I love you, man. So we both do we're going to answer some questions from you the fans as always, you know, how it is. When we put the call out on Instagram on Twitter, please put that hashtag collided mail back when you're answering. So I can find your questions and have them selected for the show. You can also Email us Mellberg at collider dot com. And I go through all those as well pick out some of the best ones I picked out about fifteen to twenty this time around sent them to Jeff Jeff picked off five he was really excited about those the ones we're gonna talk about here. So I get first dibs overmanned. Jump into our first questions. Because he you know, he you want to do better. I get it. It's a Sunday show. Cody guests this Email from coach guest, he writes, if you could pick one movie character to go on a week long vacation with who would it be? And where would you go Jephson? Oh boy. Well, I think it depends on the type of vacation you're trying to have it because it's like I picked a guy and a girl. Okay. You wanna balance yet? Because it's like is it a romantic vacation like who knows? All right either way. I picked two characters both from the same universe. Okay. And that is the Judd appetito universal. Right. So if I had to go away with a guy on a vacation, you want someone who you're going to be able to have some fun. You know, get along with these gonna make you laugh. He's going to be cool. I think I would go with Seth Rogan's Ben stone from knocked up. Okay. Yeah. Like before he figured things out are after he figured things out when he was like a. Schlub e ventral at the end of the movie now based on the beginning of see that's a fun guy. The guy getting the guy. Fister possible. Yeah. Listen, if I get pink, I think that means that the we went well. And if I had if I had to take a lady, yes on a week long vacation, it would be mealy Coon is's, Rachel Jansen from forgetting, Sarah Marshall, and I would go right back to where that movie said I'd go back Hawaii at the what is it the turtle bay that? Yup. I don't know what it is. But it's got to be the place was beautiful. She's beautiful. She's so cool in that movies. You just like a lot of fun. And yeah, those would be my two picks John. That's a great choice. I would have to pick for me the number one. Character would go on a trip with his Indiana Jones. I would absolutely go for a week long with Indian. I'll tell you why. Because he would be full of stories full of stories about his exploits about what he went through. Plus if I was a single guy, I'm sure he would attract some ladies overlords. He likes them adventure station, of course. And then of course, he would find his way into some adventure. Finding some kind of an IB tagging along Williams. Exactly or or John restate one of his guys hanging out with him trying to solve whatever they're trying to solve or get the artifact. Okay. That would be a lot of fun female was I think Sandra Bullock, Gracie Hart from Michigan geniality. I would love to hang out. She is miss Congeniality. And and the Gracie at the end of the movie when she's a little more like less judgmental, a little more understanding it would be great to hang out with her. Plus, I know I be if there's any kind of thing that went down. I got an FBI agent hanging out with me, they say, yeah, I feel Sega with her. But if I had both of them that would be the ultimate that trilogy. Or trio would be a lot of fun to hang out with the Anna Jones and miss Congeniality elegant some good conversation. It sounds like fun because this this and this and she'd be like, you know, you broke the law here here, and here that would be a lot of fun out there. Getting high listening to those two going at each other. Whoa. What do you do if you do Ben stone? It certainly getting high. I've been no we're talking about their year, which the second question we say comes from Instagram and from spooks degrom. Nice name what Oscar caliber director, would you like to see take a stab at the horror genre? I think Tarantino's witty dialogue and brutal imagery would translate perfectly. Well, the top two for me were angrily and eat it ought to. And I ended up to come so close to being horror with some of his films like with the revenue even with Birdman. That's more of a contemplative film. The revenue is really a gritty cold stark film about the dangers of revenge. Right. Well, how hard you can push yourself when you want to get revenge on somebody, and I would like to see that, you know, horror aspect the way he does that would be incredible Lee would be more of a contemplative horror. Reflective or we saw a little bit of that in the hulk. In Brokeback mountain. You see what he can do with these characters as they explore taboo subject at their time. What can he explored horror that he could bring out through through that and the ice storm? If you saw on the ice storm, those dinner scenes alone so much tension. So you know, he knows how to build tension just from human interaction throw in a horror aspect to it. It'd be a lot of fun. So this is all right. Well, yeah. Because I guess we have two questions that are kind of the same today. But so it's what Oskar caliber director would take a stab at that word genre. I like to see Steven Spielberg. Really? Yeah. Do a horror movie 'cause I know like, obviously, he kind of did poltergeist, right? That's that's that's the rumor Hooper is credited as having. Yes. Yes. That is sort of the the rumor, but yeah, exactly Spielberg's never really done a proper one. I mean, let's you count jaaz which you could that is a horrid opinion. Good. Good. So it'd be interesting and also like PTA ball, Tom com, Sanderson doing a horror movie, I think would be super interesting. Would you argue the plain view as a villain? No, I can see that argument. But I don't think that means it's a horror movie. No, no, I'm saying if he can get that kind of performance at a Daniel day Lewis PTA could direct the hat like he direct like an Oscar winning villain turn similar to like heath ledger in. Yes, dark Knight or how your damn and no country for all right? So you were all exactly, and you so you could see that horror aspect come into a movie like that with his direction. I could see him definitely directing like a supporting actor to an Oscar win in a horror movie. I could see that as well. It'd be interesting as we've all door next one. It is from Chelsea McIntyre an Email. Hey, collided crew. I've been I've been thinking about this for a couple of days and wondering what your thoughts are if you could recast the adventures with any actors slash actress from history who would you choose my answer would be cast. Jimmy, Stewart has captain America cultural. Mark Katherine Hepburn is black widow. And Cary Grant as ironman as always keep up the good job. Thank you for all that you do Snyder. Wow. What a question I kinda love this one because I love anything to do with casting. So. I'd say we got one character time. Okay. And four my iron may stop cheating, by the way. I know you are I don't like it. Go ahead. My ironman would be Tom Cruise. Oh, dr. Who which I think that they were they ever interested him. He didn't like the fact that his face would be covered by mask. So he didn't do it. Big big mistake, ironman, Tom Cruise hands down. Okay. Clark gable? Yeah. Yeah. Billionaire playboy smirk on his face rapid fire dialogue watch him in gone with the wind again now one of my favorite movies. Tell is Clark Gable? I will submit to you, the misfits, and you tell me if he's tougher. None an aging cowboy at the end of his career. He's toughest nails in that movie. Cimarron tough Onasa mogambo toughest nails in that movie. He is a tough, dude. Clark gable? And he's been through it all and he would have that twinkle in his either ironman has. All right. Go ahead, captain America. Yeah. Robert Redford, who nice choices. Yeah. I mean, I think it was kind of perfect it. He ended up in that franchise anyways. But yeah. Young Robert Redford with that twinkle in his online. They're kind of like, you know, good goody two shoes. American. I like it. I would have I chose Paul Newman. And I like I was thinking Paul Newman too. Yeah. I think we're right on the same page there. Well, with Paul Newman most, you know, with Robert Redford, he has tackled some political things in his movie three days of Condor the candidate that are question. What we've been presented in our society, captain America through the trilogy does that especially in winter soldier. So I think Paul Newman consistently does it through all his films, and I think he would have the right to plus you could see him wearing the captain America thing and trees out of jail in America. Right. And then also questioning what America's doing with that intelligence? Like, he does with Nick fury. I think he'd been great. It's cool hand Luke body that down the armor. Black widow Debra winger. I'm just kidding. That was all right. I'm gonna go with. Nineties bad ass. So Demi Moore. Oh, Demi would be a good black widow. Yup. I liked it. I guess I went a little older than you. I was trying to explore because a little bit tougher for me to go down there. But that's a nice choice. You're thinking more classic. Yeah. Classic. So I did say. They do. So when he mentioned a when I don't know Chelsea's a man or woman, so Chelsea could be the way. So they mentioned Jimmy Stewart, Katherine Hepburn Cary Grant. That's what my mindset was. So for me, I say black widow, Elizabeth Taylor. It would be very good in that blackout fed and also playing both sides we've seen her as she got older play roles like Butterfield eight and who's afraid of Virginia Woolf or she can play both sides hero and villain quite effortlessly in the same movie. I like the Demi Moore can kind of be like a seductress also like a bad ass. Lookie son G I, Jane. I don't know how she do with like a Russian accent. If she's ever she kind of needs one. Yeah. I mean, right. It's it's Russian is. I don't know if she ever did a Russian exit but Scott announced yesterday I like where we're at. So I have cruised Redford Demi Moore, and you have Paul Newman Clark Gable? And Elizabeth Taylor. Okay. Okay. Pretty a pretty strong selectors herself back in the hall. Who do you have for home? I have Robert Redford has the hulk. Wow. So you have Redford on your vendors squad too. But not as cap. Okay. Oh, he he could wear the glass hall. So he'd be the scientists can see him really turns up and getting angry. He'd be like AB such new wants thing. Look, Mark Ruffalo is meek as they come. When you see them in most movies. All of a sudden, he's the hulk Robert Redford, Ken play the intelligence, scientists aspect of banner, and then have issues with his anger. If you've seen him if you watch three days of the Condor pretty vicious to Faye. Dunaway in certain scenes, you could see him hawking out and get angry. I just see I guess. Because to me, Robert, Redford. It's like the nice old man at Sundance. Yeah. I can't see him hulking out. But okay. All right. My friend. This might be a little might be a little bit tougher for him to to play Bruce banner. But Michael Clarke Duncan, I think him as the hulk is like this kind of like sensitive scientists who is just like gigantic battle be so cool to me if only he was with he could play the hulk then you'd have to have someone played Bruce banner, right? He would play Bruce. He would just be like a big scientist doesn't look like a scientist from the outside. But like, you know, okay. That's why he would sort of soom hulk form who do you have four four are think of a guy. He's got to be like blonde and beautiful and have this great, man. And be chiseled. So I went with Patrick Swayze. Oh interests hachik Swayze store. That's right. I like it. I went with Vincent an offering on ventures in babysitting. I went with Marlon Brando your man, you're really going deep come on Marlon Brando as the hulk would be I mean as Thor would be incredible. You could see him with the long hair, and the chiseled physique kind of carry on the hammer. I cannot Big Sur Brando's Thor. What's beyond? Have you seen your car named desire? He is like sexy strong muscular guy in that movie. And in frigging on the waterfront, he's more of a slower guy. But he's still driven by immoral in principle, all of that as a four would be very interesting. And if you throw in who I'm gonna throw in the low-key that chemistry Ziv, I only did those find it. Okay. Well, let me throw I got Hawkeye Steve McQueen Hawkeye that'd be a bad as seen him flinging. Arrows, and I and I think that would be the hall guy be would like more than the Jeremy Renner Hawkeye who gets a lot of flack from the fans. Steve McQueen Hawkeye would be interesting. I went James Dean for ant, man. And my last one was oh, no my last two LOKI as you'll Brenner as LOKI would be very interesting. Do I've come to rule. You manned Lee Marvin data's man. I don't know how old are audiences. But if they know half, these people the impressed. Well, you know, Joe Venice is good. I like that. Yeah. He'd be greatly mamas. And all right. Let's move on to our next question. At least you don't have any more. What's our next one there? Jeff. All right. You can recover in time. It is an Email from Fred Custodio rights. Hey, clatter mail bag. I recently saw captain marvel twice and liked it more the second time than the first. My question to you is what is the best movie you've seen that you like better the more. You saw Maynas dogma which became my favorite movie of all time. Thanks for taking my Email and have a great day. Fred c dogmas your favorite movie of all time wild, man. I have three watchmen have already said on numerous programs. How I I've loved the director's cut, and I watch now incessantly whenever it's on TV. Or if I'm in the mood. I'll put it on not the original called the director's cut. I've learned to appreciate that. Phil more more of the years anchorman is one that got better as I watched it more and more. But probably the big lebowski is the number one thing when I walked out of the big lebowski. Okay. I get it. It's funny. It's not until I washed it over and over and over again that I really got what the Coen brothers were going for and understood the humor and enjoy the performances and really got what overall what the film was trying to do. And I've learned to appreciate that film. So much of a less likely. I think you're I'm with you on anchorman and big lebowski. Those are probably movies that I didn't maybe a little too young. When I first saw them. Not not. So with anchorman is definitely too young. When I saw big lebowski and some of the stuff sailed over my head, right more. I watch out that are anyways. Mine I think comedies are like that though minds a comedy too. I wanna see if you if you get it just from the quotes. Okay. All right. Oh, Philly so cable guy cable guy, right? The cable guy is my movie I loved I really like the cable guy when I first saw because it's like, you know, I think I was twelve years, right? Ace Ventura dumb and dumber. Like it was wacky. Jim carey. And then this was just like a different sign of Jim Carey that I didn't necessarily like, but the more that I watched the cable guy, I've come to appreciate its brilliance, and what it's saying just about like television, entertainment and friendship and just I don't know. There's a lot of stuff that I think holds up really well in that movie, particularly Jim Carrey's performance. It's prescient on a lot of issues dealing with. Now, you know when reality TV local reality TV president like it's my blowing. When you look at Cape rewatch, cable guy and see how many things Ben Stiller was kind of talking about or foreshadowing that was going to happen in our world entertainment in our technology, and how it was going to change us. It's really interesting and by the way, shadow to Ben Stiller being on the Bill Simmons podcast recently. I don't know. If you've listened that episode yet. Let's do it on the way in this morning. He just dropped at this morning as we're recording this, and it's a fantastic episodes. If you want to. Something a great interview with Ben Stiller go and the stood at the bills until this last one, and it's an Email from Jason Georgia's Howdy, outlaw writes a trend. I've noticed recently is several directors who are known for their work in horror have made the jump over to big blockbusters, particularly superhero movies. Some examples of Scott, Dirksen with doctor strange Dave is f- Sandberg James won- with aquaman and Neil Marshall now withheld twenty nineteen which director known for their horror films. Would you like to see make a superhero movie in which hero? Would you? Choose personally. I think Mike Flanagan who did a haunting a hill house and Gerald's game. Could have a great take moon. Knight a hero who suffers from dissociate identity disorder. Thanks for taking my question. Regards jas. All right. What you've got right. Is guys who've worked in in horror who I wanna see directing a superhero moving. All right. I think like, you know, Adam wind guard. Is someone who has obviously been getting bigger and bigger budgets to work with from death note at Netflix. He's doing that got Dylan movie. Yes. So I I could see Warner Brothers. If that Godzilla movie goes, well, I could see them giving him, you know, something in the DC universe. That's although we may have already turned stuff down. I'm curious about this director of bright burn, which looks like a superhero movie of sorts, but like a horror movie, technically like could this guy become the next James Gunn who know becomes a horror movie director? But then, you know, the one that I'll say even though I wasn't really a big fan of us, which I still encourage all of you to see and let me know what you think Jordan Peele. Okay. Jordan Peele doing a superhero movie. I think would be really interesting. I think that he he showed his skill for like shot composition in and. Yeah. With the right script. I think they're elements to peale's work that would. Early. You know, do well, you know, within the superhero, John. Yeah. All right. I like did idea of Karyn Kusama who just invitation to destroyer I like her getting involved in some way. Because black widow is nice. Captain marvel is these are wonder woman, but there are some darker female heroes in the superhero universe. And I think getting a female horror movie director to glass onto some of these heroes and explore their darker stories would be very interesting and black widow does have a darker store. But when you catch Scarlett Johansson, I think you're only going to go so deep into that and into the darkness of it. All I think there's a lot of superheroes that you can explore him Coosa my. When you look at when you look at the Justice like black canary has got an interesting story behind her. If you look at the X men Cilacap has interesting stuff going on with her. If you explore even more, I know the dark Phoenix thing has been done already with Jean grey. But can you imagine if it had been done with a horror movie director, there would have been more to explore there? You can go through a plenty of lists of superheroes. Who have darker edge to them darker vibe to them? And I think Karen Koussa could bring that out. And that would be a lot of fun to see do you have any? Do you have any superheroes yourself that you would love to see come to the screen offhand? No, not really, there's not you, Jim. I know Jeffey big fan. I mean, I I love saga. Yeah. Sagas gazing Dennis's wearing a lion can't shirt today in the office. I just wanna talk it off of Dennis. I always want to tear demonstra shirt off. Anyways. I think that's it. If you did a cat woman with Karen Coosa, Ma that could be interesting as well with what she confronts in the Gotham universe, and the things and imagine a Karyn Kusama Harley Quinn solo movie that would be a lot of fun. Would you know, they got this other female director, Kathy right for birds of prey, right? But let's Sola one would be interesting. Why these these were awesome questions I want to thank everybody for sending those questions in and one thing Jeff Snyder for taking the time to stop by Jeff where can people find you my friend at the instigator on Twitter on Instagram and uncanny? That's right. He's a I need to get on that. I keep getting those notifications for like two months, I need to get on you need to play basketball to on Saturday. True. True. Well this weekend. I'm in love, leave me alone. All right. Well, listen, you can follow me out. 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The Sedano Show (HR 4)

Afternoons with Marcellus & Kelvin

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The Sedano Show (HR 4)

"So Donald show here on ESPN LA. Thanks to Seth Greenberg for joining us there, Ben Lyons hanging out with us here on a Friday afternoon. Thanks, come in, dude. Someone's going on the sports world. We've been talking a lot of hoops. But the Rams in the news for all the wrong reasons, I know don't like this at all George. It's the long standing. I feel like how long have we been talking about Todd girlies knee since what since the last couple of weeks of the season? Yup. Yeah. Because he missed the last two games of the regular season. Right. And then we were like oh he's great in the Dallas game. And then it was like, oh, no. What's happening in New Orleans, and it, yeah, it's been kind of up and down since. So the story this week is that his trainer travel gains came out and spoke to the Atlantic, and confirmed that his knee does have arthritis, which is something, the Rams have kind of denied regardless of the, if the arthritis is, is an issue or not just when you set up that story George, that's the problem, I have with it as a Rams fan and makes me uncomfortable. When I hear things like Todd girlies private trainers doing an interview with the outlet, and yeah, no. Gotta keep it in house, gotta keep it buttoned up. We don't. That's why the patriots were so up in arms about this. Alex Guerrero guy. Tom Brady's guy. Tom Brady's guy. But you really see him out there saying, things negatively about Tom's health. If anything, it's like, yeah, the guy's never seen a strawberry. He's amazing. He has cheekbones for more and he doesn't eat tomatoes because the anti inflammatory. How mazing strong he is. So if tug girlies trainer wants to come out and do interviews, which I don't wanna do anyway, at least say that he feels Grady looks awesome ease Verdun amazing thing. Yeah. We're going to get him back. Yeah. Real life. He man that don't be like he's actually not doing so giving them the goods and the goods, meaning the media, the goods, you don't need that. Yeah. Tighten that up Sean McVay. So it's interesting, the guy who, who came to the rescue here per se. I think grams fans will find this fascinating Jeff Fisher was on the NFL network this week when this story came out, and he expressed some let's call it skepticism. All right. We girlies trainer. Here's the call a little unusual that a player's personal trainer will go public with respect to the condition of his client, most of the injury information most, if not all comes from the club it comes from the head trainer this did not, we've got to be cautious with respect to jumping to the conclusion on. That. I mean, it is unusual. The team has been tight lipped, but this guy would know yes, the delivery is not conventional. But it doesn't mean it's inaccurate as Jeff may be trying to portray. He's absolutely right in the first part of that statement, it is unusual for a private trainer. And that's why I pause it this situation. If I'm the Rams that you're absolutely right. George regardless of the situation for where this news is being shared, the fact that the news is bad is not a good thing. This girly knees going to be something, we're gonna talk about it sounds like, unfortunately, for the rest of his time in Los Angeles. So one of the things about girlies knee, and Kirk Morrison has talked about this here with us, which is that there were concerns in the draft, right there. I mean he blood his knee in college. Like, that's you know that was a why. Right. So they asked Fisher about that if he had any concerns whatsoever about girlies knee when the Rams drafted him in two thousand fifteen when Jeff was calling the shots, quote, no concerns whatsoever. We check that out. Like everybody else. Did we were happy with the graph? And we're happy with the reconstruction. We took our time. We didn't play him right away, and that's true. They did do that. We got him in week four five and you still rookie of the year, but you still have to address the issues that move as you move forward as you get your year post op or two or three years out. There's obviously an issue there. And unfortunately he didn't play at the end of the year last year and didn't play in the postseason. So he says they weren't concerned with the time. But what Kirk was saying was at that time, people said, well, it's a ticking time bomb. It's, it's got a shelf life on it because of the injury that he had any had to have it reconstructed. But I think the Rams have done some good things since this has become part of their team storyline. And that they went out and drafted a running back there were going out there and finding some backups or well, they from Memphis Ryerson who supposedly big home run hitter, right? That so the way kurkin I discussed the other day the way he laid it out, is that the Rams could use. Girly and Henderson similar to the way New Orleans used to use Ingram and Camara. Right. We're Henderson can be Kamara and girly can be Ingram. And they'll split carries in that way. Most seems it seems like in today's NFL have running back by committee. I think what the Rams did last year by resting Todd Gurley throughout the preseason is not only going to be his formula for the rest of his time. You're gonna see that with other guys around the league this year. Wouldn't you just not play? Anybody that was a starter? I would I think McVeigh's super smart with that. I, I remember getting into a Keyshawn about that. You know, he's just used to it being a certain structure, right? I with sentence ways and wasn't flexible with new information. When it comes to the NFL sometimes he's like I don't think he's like in any other part of his life. But because he lived in breathed it. Right. I think that there's some of that there with that you see guys across the league now play preseason this year because they read slash. I think they started a trend and I think it's smart. I bet you Bella check doesn't play anybody. At think you you'll see any you'll some guys my want a rap or a series or a game. Right. Your own process. Yeah. So you might see certain guys. But you're right. I think because also two of the success the Rams had in the season where they decided to do that took him all the way to the Super Bowl that's going to be a formula that other teams are gonna fall and look this, this girly thing I think we can all take what we learned from the NBA finals with injuries. And how we push and challenge the players we root for and we love to get on the field and competing. We can hopefully grow and learn a little something from that, and that we don't have this public outcry, if they're two and four that girlie better, get out on the field or else lose, like we gotta start to have a little, I don't know, cooler heads, prevail Agri when it comes to injury. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Speaking of the Rams Dhammika chew, obviously, was here last year. Is now with the bucks a shot this story today. I was actually listening to key in the guys talk about it a little bit when I was in the car today, and I'm. With them on this. I don't know if you heard them at all this morning talking about this about Gerald McCoy all mad 'cause the bucks gave dominant sue his number. I'm like they keys reaction was kind of like dude, you're just you're Gerald McCoy like relax. You're not like you know, you're, you're not I don't know who's, like the guy in bucks. Laura rights, like Warren Sapp, right? Like you're not that guy. You're good. But you're not that good. Yeah. That's keeping it real gone wrong. Right. You're just like so care about the ring of honor and Tampa as this thing that you're going to be entitled to hike, get it, you know what I'm saying? Like Gerald McCoy is the equivalent to what like likely. Let's look at it like in the purple and gold, Laura. Right. Like, are you giving? You're giving away Derek Fisher's number. Right. You know, probably at some point you're not you're not holding that one back every time I know he's what the WNBA squad. But or like, Rick. Fox's number. Right. Robert ory. You there's they've already got a lot of numbers retired. Like you gotta give somebody people's number. Yeah. You gotta wear the bucks aren't that. But, but my point is. You know Jeremy co is a good player. He wasn't necessarily an elite player for that long like he was a very good player an elite level player for maybe a handful of years. That's not he's not a hall of Famer is what I'm saying journal McCoy's that how they is that how he found out that he's not going to have his number retired in may. Maybe way, maybe that's what it is. You probably thought that that was going to happen and indaba. Choose a beast. So it's not like they gave you a number to a rookie the Pro Bowl a couple of times that school, you know, just it's just weird like sometimes the things in life you choose to get upset about set about. I I live by a. Donald kudu philosophy. Yeah. Don't worry about things that are out of your control. It's just wasted energy. Like, if some of these legitimately out of out of your grasp and out of your control. Why are you gonna freak out about it? There's nothing you can do. So again, there's pl- you need your energy in life, each and every day for things that really matter to worry about something like that, that you have zero control over that just seems stupid to me. Right. Like that's a pretty good mantra, this, my number. When number George I get it, George. I played in Tampa for seven years. We wouldn't know playoff games. That's my number. Yeah, I don't. I don't get it like just don't, don't waste your energy on that. Go play for your new squad and ball out there, you know, like though, you know, and maybe they won't give away your number the next time around, like that's just kind of the way I look at it, you ready for another round the movies. Yeah. So here's the deal. Eight seven seven seven ten ESPN. Eight seven seven seven three seven seven six. Ben is going to give you clues on a movie we're gonna play blockbuster or bus. Gonna give you clues movie and you're going to have to guess the movie, and, and then obviously, guess, if it was a blockbuster or bus just for bragging rights, we're just going to have fun with your, eight seven seven seven ten ESPN as we get you ready for the movies this weekend. We'll take a look at what movies are opening this weekend. We'll do all that. And just a few moments. We'll be back in about four minutes. And this segment has been brought to you by our friends at HMS capital. You're all you're all star in the mortgage game. Call HMS capital. They compete to win you the best home loan rates. Call them at eight three three to five five fifty six ninety eight or visit them online at HMS capital dot com. Sudan show here on. ESPN. LA. Ben lines hanging out. We can't do this weekend. George Houston downtime before summer league. I do I think I'm going to go take my daughter to go. See Toy Story, four Hase fun. So Toy Story three was on, like cable the other night when we were at the house, and she was super into it, and I sit there. Hey, you know there's a new movie coming out. Do you wanna watch the next one? She's like, so, I think that's sounds like a Sunday morning kind of thing for me. It sounds nice little Levin AM. And then maybe take a little little lunch daddy daughter lunch words. Yeah. Something I talked to Mariah time where you're we're excited about. Maybe having kids some day. And I'm always I think it'd be really good at the weekend activities kids. And she does remind me there's also the week. Yes. That, that's the tough part. It's not just like dumplings on Sunday. Sounds fun. And then I'm done. Yeah. Doesn't work. It doesn't work like that. Yeah, the, the weekday stuff is and stuff this weekend is fueled by I'm actually, you know what else I wanna do. I actually want to watch the college baseball. I'm I'm here. Like on this quest to go to Omaha wanna do it. I need to do it everyone. I know. That's done. It has been as had so much fun. I do want to check it out at some point. So I will watch that I do like watching the college World Series. And what's happened this week in this field by cores light? The world's most refreshing beer, speaking of beer, don't forget, we had big party yesterday at rock, and in Redondo beach. Always super happy. When you guys the way you guys support this station and support all the different shows it was a blast. It's awesome. I didn't get a chance to go yesterday. But anytime we've done them out side of this studio and interact with the people who take the time out of their day to listen to us, it's super cool. So there's one next week to yeah. Fun. Yeah, for sure, and it's it's so cool because it just you kind of see how it collected the audiences. And I mean that from, like different age groups, right from like super young guys to like. Elderly people, you know what I'm saying, like, which is awesome male female all different backgrounds are popular. Why black Hispanic peas sports, you know, Middle Eastern, you know, everybody shows up, and it's awesome. It does. It was like a fun. Cool melting rock and brews, do their food is a may was really, really good amaze on gray vibe. And it's family friendly to have a little kid area. So it's one stop shop. A love it. It was fun. It was fun, hopefully with some more stuff there. But this next Friday, we're going to be in your part of town, Mike. We're going to be a bar, Louie in Downey next Friday as in the twenty eighth for second annual free agency party. And we're just looking to have a party like kind of just to have a party pretty much we'll be broadcasting all day long, starting at six AM to seven PM, I just realized invited Mason to breakfast that day, and I'm not going to be able to do that because I have around the horn that day, so we'll be of cereal handle that. Well, yeah. We can do, like after maybe he will. Won't be flustered or upset or anything. Well, you know what is, you know, I'm not gonna skip around the horn just gonna he's gonna ask, why don't you just give me on around the horn? Yeah, that's easy. Two years. So we'll be at bar, Louie in downing this coming Friday that Mason, drop sounds like something out of the, the Friday, the thirteenth movies. Right. Yes. So we'll be there all day long starting at six AM till we're done at seven bar. Louie at eight hundred sixty Apollo way in Downey off the one oh five on Lakewood boulevard. Happy hour specials starting at six AM with the morning show. They'll be there Mason in Ireland, and of course, our show. So come hang out next Friday in downing. So it is time for the movies with Ben Lyons. Some of you may not know Ben Lyons worked on the greatest movie review show in the history of man. He is the man when it comes to reviewing movies. He's gonna play a game with us here, blockbuster or bust. So I'm going to bring up a caller. And now that Mike can confront she and Janice could play if she wants, we'll all get a turn. You're going to describe the movie. Right. And then once we described the movie, then we can figure out blockbuster, or bus. So I'm going to go with the first caller here. Mark in north Hollywood, Mark. Do you know how to play the game by do? Yeah. Okay. Cool. So Ben let it all right market honor of Anthony Davis trade to Los Angeles. And the potential. Convert to be a blockbuster. I'm going to go through some other blockbuster films here. And you tell me if they actually came to fruition brought a championship and millions of dollars to the producers or were a legendary bomb a failure, and people lost their jobs. So the best way to play this will be for him to guess blockbuster bus based on the cast, and everything the information you give and then after you give us the title of the movie I was this a blockbuster, or was it a bus? It starts Sean Penn, Josh Brolin, Emma stone, Ryan Gosling, and Anthony Mackie in a period, piece set here in Los Angeles. Do you know the movie, and if it was a success show, blockbuster bus just based off the information he gave you? Oh, that's a huge, huge by. It was called gangsters flood well done well done right. The movie sixty million dollars and made about thirty here, which isn't very good. It was directed by Ruben Fleischer did zombie land in thirty minutes or less kind of the wrong coach for that movie. Didn't even let us get into answered Mark. That was great, great job. Well done. All right. Here's another one. This one starts. Long hair. David also in north Hollywood. What's up, David? You ready? I'm ready. All right. David, this is a remake. Starring Jamie, Foxx and Taryn Edwardson who audiences just saw in rocket man, and it costs a hundred million dollars to make blockbuster bust. Blockbuster absolutely wrong. I don't remember Robin Hood. Starring Jamie Foxx. Yeah. That one came and went last year made only thirty million dollars domestic had no idea. They made that move. It Jamie FOX says, Robin Hood, for whatever reason the movie I wanted to watch tonight. I shouldn't watch it and didn't catch on punches. Yeah. Then guess not just not right. We need to play too, though. We need to play to your jumping the gun there over there talking movie talking Lakers for four hours, talk movies for rate, excited Richard in Hollywood now as well. Richard, you ready? Graham ready. Go ahead, Ben. All right. Richard this film start meal. Kunis Kathryn Hahn, Kristen bell, Christina Applegate. It costs thirty million dollars. What's the name of the movie, and was it a blockbuster? Wasn't a bites donating the movie just blockbuster bust. I I'm gonna go blockbuster. I'm going to say blockbuster, Mike. I'll say blockbuster, janitor blockbuster, Janice BUSTER, right? It is a go blockbuster. Absolute. You know the name of the. I don't is a girl's trip. No wonder it's bad mom bad. Mom's that's correct. Kathryn. Hahn Christabel spawned a sequel bad. Moms to I didn't see the sequel original. It's he goes bad. Hawks of a third in the works as well. So thirty million dollars made a hundred and ninety three around the world was a hilarious movie. I it was really really, really well done. Let's you got anymore. You ain't gonna punch. Okay. Cool. Let's go to Andrew and sill mar. Undergoing George fan. Good, buddy. Thank you. I you ready to play. Yeah. I go ahead, Ben. All right. This film was adapted from a book that was self published and it starred Matt Damon, and Donald Glover. The movie cost one hundred eight million dollars blockbuster bus there you go. I'm gonna say blockbuster. All right. I'm gonna say bust funky. I'll say bus Mike. Blockbuster. Janice? They're blockbuster movie was not only just a blockbuster, but it also that a best picture nomination, the Martian, starring Matt Damon. Jeff daniels. Can you believe that the author took the book around town and couldn't get it published? So put it out himself. And it was often makes the Martian. Getting meself. Potatoes at a Putin. That's what he made, he made potatoes. Poop Eilon Mars. That's good. Potatoes out of food. We got for one more one more year. Let's try Ted and Fullerton. Good. Ted you ready? You're not ready. All right. Ted this film, star Jason Segel Emily. Blunt Kevin Hart produced by Judd appetito cost thirty million dollars. Was it a blockbuster hit or an epic bust? What do you think much? They must I'm gonna say blockbuster jet doesn't make a lot of clunkers. Bust? Okay. I'll say bus to bus cans on this is a boss. Jason Segel Emily bulletin? The five year engagement, nobody remembers it'd be with Kevin hard cost thirty million dollars may just twenty eight million domestically doing more for us here. All right. Last one here this one. Co- cost. Let's see. Where's it costs fifteen million dollars to make stars Colin Firth Jeffrey Russian Helena? Bonham carter. Who? I'm gonna say must funk sounds like a distinguished cast. I'm going to say blockbuster. All right. Mike. I'm gonna go blockbuster. Janice block BUSTER, this movie cost fifteen million dollars to make was a period, piece starring Colin Firth, Geoffrey, Rush Helena, Bonham Carter and went onto make four hundred and fourteen. Around the world. But is it the king's speech? Oh, yes. Each a massive blockbuster directed by Tom Hooper that made one hundred forty million dollars here in the state. I would have guessed it was like quills or something, because that's very similar cast. Actually, now that I think about it just shows you guys, whether it's a fifteen million dollar period piece about the prime of the king of England who has a speech impediment, or if it's a two hundred million dollar prince Persian movie you never known Hollywood. Just like you never know if Anthony Davis is going to bring a championships. Again, I think, so is I've already clearly stated you're going blockbuster parade on Figaro famous last words in June around here Haredi, bigger role word for the purple and gold. And, you know, the purple and gold will have a big parade purple and gold is how many championships call us out. Eight seven seven seven just just one more than the Celtics. That's what we're trying to because I believe in LeBron James. How about that purple and gold? Championship believe in LeBron James. So there you go. I final segment coming up. We're back in three minutes. A show you, any SPN LA, Ben lines hanging out. There's an interesting story up. BS sports did a story today about the greatest sports television show of all time, which, for example would be like your is full hearts can't lose. No inside the NBA right on TNT, or like college game day or sportscenter even the, you know, like CBS NFL today, like going back to the eighties. Rashad and stuff like that. Do you have a pick inside stuff the first incarnation with the Mods up there this week in baseball back that ends on the list on their inside the NBA does not only just the best sports show. Just the best show show on television, I think inside the NBA and college game. They're, they're I think, pardon the interruption actually, should be in that conversation. They spun the whole genre is the morning show on there. The morning show with Keyshawn Elsie and Travis probably in every day, six ten or not on TV though. So they wouldn't fit into this particular category. As Christopher Alice of the morning show is here is the former NFL countdown on ESPN with one Keyshawn Johnson on the west. I it's not. No, no. It's not I'm looking. NFL shows FOX NFL Sundays. There is good morning Orange County with Travis Rogers. That's coming later this summer. No, no. And it all NFL primetime. No. But that was boomer in town with it. I was good one. It was one of the any of the Jim Rome incarnation. Travis was involved with those when they are on TV might a word about Dan Patrick show is on there. The television show agency news interstitial 's starring l z close up close Tom ho, far of the LA times who's a big fan of the morning show. I voted for a little bit. You know it's on my list you'll you guys pretty sports machine. Remember sports? Michael, George Michael Moore. Kasey voted for this. I guess they asked esteemed people in the media to vote if you didn't get the you didn't get the question. I did not esteemed I am I guess some days. But yeah, so yeah he voted for up close. Which is, you know, that was great ROY Firestone. Back in the day. OJ was on an episode. They'll make me cry. Roy Twitter thing real with him is he's really doing. That is really him. I'm the morning shows doing it all day, every day. That's like a knife. You can have, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Why were you guys why we ripping me this morning for doing the shots on the air yesterday? Here's the thing when it comes to a radio show in Los Angeles on sports radio on the AM band, that is known for doing shots while live on the air, right? Yeah. I think everyone knows it's the morning show with Sean Elsie and Travis, right. By the way, you can hear back Monday morning at six right? Which by the way, the first time that show did shots was when I was on the show. And, you know, when that was the last day, last day, we brought the bottle, I have the bottle in my office of your. Gorgeous final day. Yeah. Which we celebrate every day. Yes shorts. No longer being on the show. Interesting shots, the whole bottle, the whole bottle. And now you and Mason stole our bit. I mean I was part of the bid in studio. The bid on the road happened a month later. Yeah. We'll Mason started that. And then Mason, backed out of having more shots, you guys got you and vitamin Scott off. We did three four big shot. So those were major shots. Yeah. Those were heavy shop. We did. How do you want to apologize now pursuing the morning shows bit? I didn't steal anything. I was part of the show at that does that mean next Friday, it's the quantitive like next Friday, every show, we're doing this again, just like we did in may for secret. I don't know if I'm driving all the way from Downey though, like you're rich now bar Louis in Downey. I'm not I'm not shot. I'm not doing chances, Pierre LA bring the heat and deliver shots every hour from six AM to seven PM, our, our no. Absolutely. Our back on. I'm all our talent doing shots every hour. I'm not in on that, and I'll be there the entire. I also get carsick. So I can't take an Uber for. That long. So that's why the metro from all the way down even have down east together this plan line. I'm out on that. Okay. This was easy, because it was it was it was an easy overdrive back to my house. You know the it was very close for hanging at mile. Well, did you have a good time? It was an excellent time yesterday. And got to see a lot of great listeners. We did beautiful cranks rocket boosters rumors that we will hit the one in OC coming up later this summer Kate, stay tuned for details on that. It sounds like oh, see could be an all our futures. It could be in our futures. Maybe been lines of down with that, you know, let's see. Down on the Guna last weekend that ranch. You guys. Yeah. Yeah. Travis Rodgers on his Gulf gore. I didn't see I saw Tyson Chandler on a golf car. Eating a frozen banana on Bubba island that was cute who doesn't like the frozen banana on the island come, right? I mean it doesn't get more Americana than that spider to wide bananas. Jon Gruden wants it. Yeah, I gotta start preparing for Mondays morning show already the morning, she'll Monday morning. We're back again. Keyshawn Elton travel. Yeah. Chris Rogers shirts on shirts on his shirt came off momentarily this morning. Okay. Yeah. That's the only thing I always worry about Raja's like, you know, he's getting after it's the summer. I feel like if we end up in, in Orange County like Bono some of Roger's Newport. Right. Roger would have to be under control. Like he may need like his own bodyguard. I believe some of OJ's Twitter, the some of Rosh. Can we when are you guys get? No, Jay on the show. Oh, gosh. Nothing here amazing. I feel like he can get that done. Right. I don't know. Would you have OJ on if they said no questions about the murder trial? Absolutely. I still have them. I don't like to take pictures with celebrities. I'd like to just say, oh, yeah. I met this guy or. Yeah. I did a show with them once or whatever. But I would look at OJ moment. Oh my God. That was can, I please have a picture of, sir. Mr Simpson could I please? Oh, no. Fisher for free online at the mugshot come on playing golf with OJ like the family guy bit that episode. Come on Gulf. With Jay would be amazing. I feel I you, you mean would it be worth whatever? Public backlash came with. No, sir. You definitely made that par. I saw. I don't question you don't worry about it. Did you do you get out of the sand? Yeah. Yeah. If you brought OJ on the show, it'd be worth all the public backlash of course. Yeah, yes, it would put you on the map. Well, we're on the map. No. Unlike the big map, we're on the map for other reasons, but we're on the map. Yeah. Like the Big Mac, you'd be the show that got OJ the show. The people right? And the show the juice, benefited the people vs OJ. It'd be a mess. Now, I'm gonna watch that this week and you got me into a whole OJ move on over. Jay is actually very good. It's a little cartoonish the first two episodes, but then it becomes really good. Terrific favorite line is when the character pointing Johnny Cochran who I can't think of his name right now. Oh, he's very famous actor. Who played Johnny played, Johnny Cochran overseas. No, I forgot. Now, I'm sorry. I'll look it up when he does the whole seamy valley. But yeah, oh, I love that seamy valley people versus OJ, Courtney Vance. According to be, Vince, I've had. So I was show into when I worked in Bristol, we did during the thirty for thirty stuff. Yes, it was the same time the people result Jay was on basically at the same time. So we would we basically would bring on the real life, people talk about the thirty for thirty. And then we brought the actors on for the people vs OJ tell us to come on here, which is great. It looks like Muggsy Bogues in. Here's a lawyer for on the so we guys, we got Courtney, b Vance sterling K Brown, and I want to say, Sarah Paulson might have come on with us, like, yeah, it was pretty fun. Talking to listeners out there. They're looking something to fill the time this we can do two things. Watch the people vs OJ and listened to the morning show podcast from this week and catch up. Okay. We'll you catch up with the morning show. I haven't been on the morning show in a while. Those early time talked to Ben, he's always ain't going to get back on the morning show up. It's a lot of times at that hour. Six AM golf, you know what I wanted to Gulf amount gate, so maybe we can go get some time together. And then talk about getting you back on the morning show. It's perfect for you. Your done it. Our in summer solstice. We got lighter hours, you come play the afternoon round that day nice Chris's like the is like the door guy with the velvet rope at the morning show. You know what I'm saying? Something's velvet about the room. He's got. That's what he is. Like you have to grease, the palms lot of Greece. Yes, degrees guide, forgetting Sarah Marshall goes through all the fish blue fish, Puffer fish fish. He was a doorman here in LA for a long time. No way. Yeah. Of course. So you'd always have to grease the freese diplomas, all Betty, get inside. Chris, he's like the doorman of you are the dorm. Well, when ki came here to do the NFL draft that day he told Kirk Morrison don't look at key in the is I get and Kurt believe me, and it was so amazing. Say Mr John. No. And then and then the funny thing is like he looks at me. And he goes, you can George obviously you can. Because, you know you guys have worked together. But, you know Kirk, I don't think that you can do that. It was pretty funny because he's just like people don't realize that he's a schmuck. And they think he's creek, Sean, you, and they don't they think he radio profession. They think serious the vintage Gucci shoes. And the cargo shorts at work makes you think he's serious Gucci. I don't know what they are. But there are I think nasty snazzy. I says it was our first morning show, pool party and it was drizzling outside. Where was the pool party held? It was here. We create the pool at are. You brought in like a rubber Ducky pool. There was a rubber Ducky that were floaty go swimming in a pool party in L A. Anyway, we're looking for it in Flint is an excellent point. Hey. On my bit. We're looking for an inflatable eight plant out there. If anybody has it s love, we do doesn't bag show. Mike has a question for you. Might say why the swamp shoe why the swamp shoes the pool. I didn't my flip. I busted a flipflop weeks ago, and I just haven't replaced them. So because I'm very particular spots. All you got to get them on Amazon. It's a whole thing. I just haven't had time. So what, what should we expect on Monday on the morning show air, one year rebates, you're wearing on the morning show? We are going to get ready for free agency week. You're trying to do George. Yeah. And, you know, we're all excited about AD coming of offs Angeles. It's going to be incredible right for the purple and gold for the purple and gold. You're gonna recap dodgers Rockies. We're going to do bits. We got keys having really does anyone care about. A red hot. I'm going tomorrow. Yeah. Okay. And I'll just sing on this course. Light friday. Right. You got to care about the Rockies key will play. Take it or shake at seven four key, shake it, we'll do we'll do all kinds of keys headline. It's gonna be fun. Fun provocative with the morning show. Monday morning at six AM. That's RJ Barrett. I'm out C C a Ben. Thank you for coming. We'll talk to your Monday. See you.

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A Spoon Of Truth (w/ Luis Gerardo Mndez)

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And the letter fee to get a free month of premium listening premium listeners. Get an ad free experience in stitcher access to our exclusive bonus episodes and your premium subscription helps directly support our show too so supporters please that stitcher premium dot com from code s. a. p. Thanks for listening to the show. And i hope you enjoy this episode the sale. Hey everybody wasn't spanish at keepers sans. It's carlos tony oscar is now the one going onto real world and doing stuff. He can't be here with doing it doing her. Lashing out you using your zoom screen. As mirror i was. I was to apply makeup breath. No i was okay so let me show you guys thing. My sister got me this. It's a little lash brush under rain. It looks like you being considered for like toothbrush. A toothbrush sites travel cup. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. Yeah but like. I have to brush my lashes every day a couple times a hundred times each were all tampa kasey. I'm honestly i'm really bad at it. That's probably why like. I have to do them. You condition your eyelashes no. I watched them. Though i have a i have a special brush. Latch brush and a lash. Wash wash wash a latch for the last brush dark episode. i assume so accents. There's nothing else for me to do. Okay talk to his own guys. Okay i did not think i'd ever admit this anyone. I started talking to myself. That's fine by myself at home. Yeah that's fine. There's nothing wrong with it. And i read somewhere alone. That's yeah but then. I'll be like okay. I read somewhere in vain that like. It's a sign of intelligence and that's like how. How is that. A sign of any intelligence. Well do you use. Do you like talk to yourself in like third person told me yes. Yeah yeah yeah. Yeah no. Use the royal. We don't we all against everyone. Watching the ground. I don't know i think i talked a lot even more because i talked to the cats a lot. That's what you're talking to somebody you know. When i talked myself. I realized when packing every back yet like all right so what. We don't really need this. Well you don't know if i'm gonna be the thing every time you don't do it all right fine literally that's that's any reorganizing like lace. You're talking to somebody like to do list or when you're going to the groceries like taking julie look like okay. No you don't need the okay. Yeah yeah yeah. Yeah absolutely as you talking to me. I also do it in the car. Sometimes and i'm like well. I hope people think. I'm just like singing but then i'm not really like singing. You know what i mean like. I don't have that kind of thing. And so i'm like oh i hope they think at least i'm talking to someone on the i don't know like bluetooth stuff. It sounds like you could be having a conversation. Yeah right. I'm like. I know a lot of times. It's just me and my car me. Oh shit. I do it when i'm walking. Sometimes i don't have my ear bar. We all just realize the tell on. The this happened to me is happening to me. This is really funny. Because sometimes you'll will be thinking about something and then i'll say something out loud and there have been times where i'm like getting home and get out of my car and i'm going into like my to to go inside and i think that the hallway is empty and then i'm talking. I say like one thing and then clearly was there like like they heard you. Just say the end of a sentence. That i'm just motoring out loud but there was one time i went to the supermarket and i was thinking out loud and i was literally set a sentence as i opened the door and realize somebody was standing there in the parking lot and then i just looked at him and i went hold. I'll call you back. I'm literally without touching my ears. I went back into the sea lake. Bows that back tiny. Tony yeah yeah. Thank you okay. Good i feel bad. And what else makes you feel. Better other than the music veterans and other than music. You like you mess it up. Yeah so we're not gonna talk about no you said was. I'm just shooting lows. So we want to talk about music as spoiler alert Yeah we we wanted to talk about a spotify every year for the past. I've been doing twenty six hundred seventeen saying yeah. So it's been like what four or five years or whatever that they do. The spotify wrap up of usage. Just be a playlist and they're very recently. It started to become like an actual. That was almost like a package thing with a show you with graphics and like a story format everything. You've done who listen to make this report. They reporting back like hey. We're we're stealing. You might as well show you. Were data that you're making benefits of your stomach and you get to know who you like even though you already know but oh here So i thought it was funny when mine came out because i sent it to. You is on the thread and also like not surprised by some of it but mostly surprise of like my top five songs off being from my top artist literally which just proves what i have said earlier podcast when we talk about music and stuff like that like. I'm the kind of person that will listen to an album over and over and over especially when it comes out. If i like it or if it's from an artist that i really liked because i want to make sure that i know every single song on that album and i like to listen to it in order because then it helps me like no what's on comes next. But now i'm doing more of a shuffle oscar. Oscar inspired me to do more of a show. I love shuffle. So that then like i don't know and i'm surprised your own radio station. Yeah but You follow me on instagram. And he saw it. Then you already know that. My top artist was bad. Bunny and my top five songs. Were not not his album. That just popped out but the one before. Yeah you enough. But it was the one that came out in in march january or february donna. And um yeah. I just i like got a really big laugh out of it because i also was told that i'm part of the one percent of his top listeners which i now know that you can be part of his point point. Yes yes but you can be sure more more accent accent. That's this vermont. Donald trump enters a been doing work on it. If it sounds like bernie sanders buddy. Thank yous like i listen. I i don't know who's in who's gonna do a good sense. Definitely dull donald trump. I was finishing my sentence watching the news on mute. That is not true. She not read the post catching anyway. So spotify. so. Risa thought especially with your one percent. But you found out. There's a point one percent of people that would mean that you're streaming every day nonstop one percent of the one of the three percent. Yeah look gas on their better. Okay yes the numbers numbers. Okay and then what any other artists though like as your top artists so my top. Five artists were one bad. Bunny to shock dot three drake four dua lipa and five j galvin interesting. Because it hasn't really come out with new music so you just love to listen to her. I tell you guys. I love her Her her first two albums. I so much. The i do the other ones on my mirror and whatever yeah but then again like god souls against in lebanon or kennison on your those are the those are the solid those are solid. Yeah but one thing that i thought about. It's funny that we decided to talk about. This was the royal. We one thing that i thought about Last night because i was like reading some stuff about taylor swift. How they it's crazy. The amount of people taylor swift was also one like on the like bad bunny. Number one was the most streamed artist on spotify like in the entire world. I want you guys. Oh yeah he liked the guy from spotify called a video chat and everything telling him surprising him yesterday when all the people were posting their wrap ups so he posted it. but another thing that i thought was interesting. Was taylor swift. We all know that. Scooter braun fucked turnover. And she can't make money off of any of her past albums so i don't know if you guys know this but she's gonna rewarding she's gonna redo the the she's the oslo then people will be able to like now we'll be able to like listen to those and not to the ones that are on but it's so crazy because i remember like yesterday looking through a lot of people's stories how many people had taylor swift like as their number one and as their most listen to songs and stuff like that and i'm like fuck that guy who just like someone's made so i read about it that he even sold. He sold that estate of songs for an incredible amount of money to a to like whatever the company that does that. Yeah yeah go. Yeah joe make some money off of it worse. But he's still gets a percentage of his wits wild. How much might taylor swift or make flight. But the the funny thing is too so again. These wraps like i don't know if like they knew that this was coming out at this time. But so ryan reynolds company that he's just like production inch like movies or whatever and he just did. They just did a match dot com commercial. Have you guys seen it yes. It's so good you actually okay. Well no you have to okay. So you haven't been just doing like a bunch of different commercials and stuff doing to his own company to his company die so he's dealing vanity rhythm aransas for something i don't i don't remember. That's beyond sparring rentals. So he did this. One where satan is for match com where satan is like a matt satan satan leg in the avalon. So the devil gets matched with twenty twenty. He's like a two zero two zero and she's like no it's twenty twenty and then it's such a good commercial and the song is the first The first little bit of a recording of one of taylor swift song love story. And until i read an i read an article again last night about it and it was like saying how they also like. They also put a little like easter egg of like. They put a scooter in the end. They're like taking a selfie behind a dumpster. Fire since everybody's and they put a scooter and they put the number six because it's a total of six albums scooter. Braun stole from her. She was like so like it's like it's like a little lake. It's like a little dig fucker like it was the same day that all the spotify rats off dropped and i was like what like a beautiful thing that this aw dropped on the same day because i was kinda bummed out when i saw so many people taylor swift at the top now because i tried not to listen to it because of that like because to honor like you know and everything. We're seeing that a lot of leg with dave chapelle and show athletes But yeah. I hope that she gets out. I think it would be great. I think are a real fans. I think she's going to be able to definitely If he does it sooner than later. I think people will give her opportunity for listening to the right version of it. Have you guys seen the dock that she that she had just came out about doing this last album or What you're talking about yes. Yeah i'm like. It's really like i lake none of that way but of course you know you see everything that they write about her and especially when she was younger they would just be like writing dump stuff or whatever and you know you read the tabloids or whatever and we know. It's a lot of click bait but watching that documentary to like. I don't know like a really made me feel for her because she clearly like just you know as one of these young girls that like was thrown into this world and like you know everybody is immediately talking to this. Sixteen year olds as if she's twenty nine year old woman and like treating her in that way. Yeah i don't know. I just i was like okay now. I'm even more of a taylor swift like fan. Just because of like how like legit and vulnerable. She really is cheap. You could tell when someone's like kind of acting like they're apart like she's like trying to like act for the camera a little bit but barely like it was so like vulnerable. I don't know issue has like the test for you for being genuine assured documentary. Which is there's always going to be a slander. There's always gonna be narrative. Of course there's going to be seen the one for what's his name. shawn mendez. I have not yet have you. I've not just. That's something measures. Remember that just came out. I know he's dating back on the sale Yeah and she. I think she comes out in a little bit. Maybe but i watch it. I watch it all the more lethal. What were your spotify top. Our top artists was bad. Bunny but i was only at four percent. So that doesn't wow. Wow the tease yes. Our you know. What's really weird. Which i attended you guys about my top song. Yellows assam phidias Which the world's Something about the world. The broadway musical finian's rainbow has the most rand like connects to all these things. I don't lost my mind by finneas. Maybe that to do with like pandemic listening. I liked it. I like him. But i didn't realize he was gonna be the number one song it was very. I did not see that coming but my my top artists were all kind of like not. It was bad bunny. And then a bunch of like pop. Like alina barabbas. Sasha's slow of her lynn. Yeah and who else lennon stella Not malir there's a lot of people but there are. There are a lot of people in like that. Kinda like arm be ish india's pop you know what i mean. We're it's like one. Spotify picks up on that algorithm. They just pumping that stuff. Like even if you do a playlist and then once you're done with it will create a radio station. Based on that on just slow it will just keep like giving you what you want. What would the things you want. And sometimes they're right there right. I mean i made some. I made some purchases Because of instagram instagram suggestions. And you know. Sometimes i hate it but sometimes i'm like oh this this made sense this. This is fine. Whatever you're stealing my stuff anyways like tony before we go quickly this quick. Yeah i don't use spotify lying. But i did this year because they sent me in that top the listing and they sent you the what the listing the whatever. The the the thing that we're already. Oh okay album. Okay okay i. I must have listened it this year because my my only album i tell you know why there and i remember like things. I remember like a date. I went on years ago and it was wonderful and he gave me the album. And then i was just reminiscing about it. And i'm like how do i listen to the album and i went on spotify. 'cause i don't think it's even on youtube how i listen to music on youtube. That's my go-to because i'd like to see music video. But anyway i guess they don't have that so i find a man top artists and your top five like there was. This one album was branded. It's related to the fact that like it was somebody that he went on a date with. I guess yeah. And i'll never see pre internet. That's today was the day was really like staying in touch with everyone facebook. Yeah you know what i'm saying. He was in nineteen ninety-four that oscar's not a tough year oscar. Not here but i bet his would be like super funky back to last. When whenever we we'll have an update on oscars spotify. He wants to share good. But now i'm thirsty side. Were not literally not figuratively not figuratively. But i need any office people because you know it's been a long day and it's been a long day. 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At don't ask tig dot org slash tickets see their clerk klerksdorp slurp me hint that we are back from my seat though. Break with a straight up straight guy. You can see his latest movie in theaters now. Half brothers louis. Head out of the mendez. Really happy doing here. Are you doing lewis. are you in. Are you in a labor right now or is causing the norman mexico city Between in mexico city for the past five years but now shooting the last the the third season of narcos mexico. so i'm shooting in amateur here in mexico city i love it. Yeah that's what. That's what i have these masters. That's not a pandemic for exactly i saw i saw you Before we've been booked you in for this interview. I saw you on a deadline next to My future husband. Anthony bad bunny. Because you're going to be. He's going to be in narcos with you. You're fan of his music. Was that something that surprised you when you saw it keeps talking about you all the time we know louis thank sir. I'm sorry i'm actually he. He says he says please stop calling him more. Based time kinda guy anyway. Not but yeah. I saw that. And i was like. Oh my god. That's so cool. Like narcos is such a like amazing series that has still continued kili. How how has that been shooting over there. It's great i mean. We had the kobe. Stop when we started. So it's been tricky but we're back on set now and i'm really happy to be the show. You know this. This is one of my favorite shows are ever I feel really happy to be a these third season because they think he's a really important show that you know way shows like a really really be perspective of the problem that we have in my country in the world related to drugs. You know so. I'm really happy to be a part of the of the conversation. Yeah yeah definitely explores explores more than just like the surface of which is what looking to landes claro. The parental spaniel says the same. As soon as i established could he told his inadequacies superficial now. And we put a perot. He stem side show north. That did lots of drug dealers have coolish the payroll mente a disabled adult preliminary more toil complete. Don't okay politically so seattle bike. Bargains standard say and aluminium. On your special seat commander only be a no. You look back on this style. Established is when all is senior us. Go luckily villanueva so half brothers. It's out get gipper on my throat. Fans lap illegal. What is it about you know a little. Well have brothers. these is Is this project developing before five years. It started when i first moved away. Had a meeting with ramsey's nettles engagement shuman to here. We are by the way. Yeah great awesome. Yeah technique cheesman. But he won't give we're on hold to see what we can bring up a look at. Yeah we we had a coffee in. la We wanted to. We wanted to work together but we didn't have any. It would even have any idea idea so we started talking about family about the relationship with our brothers errands and have brothers and through all those conversations also idea that had well above already had two months after that meeting. they came back to me with one page. We've this mall story. The short story about these two brothers when mexican one from the states. Complete up complete opposites. That's not only are forced to is road tripping this car deploy understand why Their their father never introduced them. Why the father never came back to mexico so these. That was the moment where a new these was going to be. A good phone could be a lot of fun because you know where we wanted to create speak will the difference between mexicans People from the states but also and most important to talk about the things that make us snug that befriends away brothers exactly. Yeah so we wanted to talk about the the contrast basically and Knifing the the main theme of the foam is empathy. You know is How we need to be able to walk in someone else's shoes before judging them and And also portrayed at different stereotype and different mexican character in hollywood screen like my character. Is these really successful mexican businessman who has an asian company and he dresses in these really expensive suits in never seen a mexican character. That hollywood before on. That's very important for froze because we are also that you know mexicans. We are also businessman and filmmakers and poets and writers and fathers and mothers. And we we need to see ourselves representing screen the way we wanted to see ourself represented screen. Yeah absolutely that's so. That's so true to into models at your ramona's g go get the incentive which it took billets single minority tangled those newsroom. It's gonna i didn't go to going up and equa- assiette daniels meat. But by tokyo manner my york your nose you and he and his whole mental that are so sorry story produce here let or estar look at those nations that gives looking to run your stimul- melodist grab the capacitor. You can almost unbelievable. Now must hint. They contact errol unison pathetically landscape level malagasy from the sole proprietor vase he knows legitimacy rubio It's the personae democracy story. But i used on mcquarters romano. So he's more kate and the ultimate Stories perspective story. puna complete. A solomon papa. He's restored completely. Lynn colorado with martinez don't says a notice Hortus amigos here. She is your. Do i yeah. It's meals and instagram. it'll thaw. Yeah you're like. I don't know about twitter. Right it's befriend. It's really interesting that you're like i gotta do research for the role. Oh it's my research. Okay that's great okay. Let me check that happens. That happens a lot know like a with. I mean every different gardner. Sometimes you need to dig into your own own personal shit down. I say you do. I mean you're you skip. John is right. You're you're do comedy and then also now because this is what's straight drama you've had i mean obviously you did research for half brothers. Do you find that kind of actor that you do a respected actor that the comedian show off script actor. Hey every i understood. I understood every every character demands. Different things from you. You know like for example. When i did a phone goal by unita mexican boxer who's Be leaving in finland and he has an alcohol problem And for that role. I needed to train for five months as a boxer the month before shooting daschle fights. I was living like a real books. You know like i was. I was waking up at seven. Am running fifteen kilometers than having breakfast then sleeping when our then doing sparring bucks sparring our than eating line going to bed. Yes no smoking nora alcohol. No party no sex. No anything you know saying don't have sex. I couple weeks before the fight. Your didn't not know known that's like. I think that everybody knows about boxers. They can't have sex before twenty. Twenty can that on. Espn you know the real. The real reason for that is is that thing you said about the restaurant. There's also another theory that he's like full the sexual energy that you put into your partner you know when you have adt sex. Save that the winner when yes like you're gonna all get it or you can have gonna. You're gonna talk your opponent not literally but hopefully that makes sense get aspects. I'm so i'm so frustrated. I'm gonna shed at this man. Yeah not that. Actually but but anyway i was just explaining that for example for that role. That was the the work before arriving to said for half brothers who wants a completely experience. And i work with these acting. Coach larry moss painless acting coach. He has where we not about bill for years and with a lot of great actors and director the film luke greenfield is good friends with larry so introduced us on a flew to new york to be with him a couple of days and we were in the script and and he told me that He told me you know. War are the to comp things. Every successful person like super super successful person has no larry. Please tell you like well tell they were. They were more than anyone else. They wake up earlier and they go to bed later than anyone else and the other one is they are. They have a lot of rage inside resent on gaza. Yes and we need to work in that with these carter. Because he's he's very successful mexican businessman but the reason that he has that much drive is because he's really pissed with his father because he abandoned him when he was a kid in mexico and he's also really pissed with the state's because his way of seeing things. America of the state's stole his father. You know so. That's the way of putting that rages work working successfully to success and that was really interesting thing for me and also really close to home. I also i mean i know that i be working in therapy for fifteen years with a lot of issues that i have. I love that. I love that everyone everyone. Everyone should all of us everyone. Everyone who'd issues. Everybody more and more latino men. also. I think it's really beautiful that you're saying that and like you know making it more you know. Yeah we're normalizing it because it's something that especially with our food. I like you know we learned that or we were told not so see. Yeah yeah and then and then you have all these problems dot com not speaking. What's happening inside. You know so this these role west about that about understanding these emotions up. It was really interesting. Because when i was developing the phone all the time i was thinking how these companies going to be so much fun to shoot. He's going to be so much fun being unsaid doing these things and when we started when we started shooting i realized that i was piece on the breaking time because i was leaving journeys guy who eats show peace with these other half brother and he's so piece for being in america he's so peaceable everything so i remember one day i called the whole crew and The director and the dp. And i thought of guys. I'm so sorry. If you see me in a really bad mood is nothing personal journey on these factor all the freaking time. But but yeah. I don't know like. I think that was a really interesting thing to to absurb on Yeah yeah. I don't know that different. Gonna rage as opposed to the boxer the trainings. Yes yes yeah just kind also and also build a building really cool. Relationship with gone are like the actor who plays my brother when you need when you need to hate someone so much unsaid on on on on on on the screen and you need to fight with your co star like literally fighting with your coaster you better have a good relationship with him because otherwise lily messy haven't been any accidents while you know no no yet. Some of that boxing training. Yes i will kill him. I will talk. You heard it here. I wanna one of them being a you had a lot of success With the congratulations. I think that was for a lot of here. That was the first time we got to see you. So i'm sure that was also a really special experience for you was it t c Cubic wearables foyer. Will they lost. Doesn't media get netflix. Show international nasrallah maintenance showcase on athletes get up at a local don't ship emerson pico and we are actually have and the Is san diego front runners in the mood theresa phone with movie few roseanne news radio Say it's broiling fuel macbook pro protocol. Nope it i your state. You just said that. Fatal have worked alongside some of like the biggest actors. In hollywood like kirsten stewart Jemma arts and for Jennifer aniston adam sandler like how. How has it been like when you book these roles because like you said you know you do a lot of stuff in spanish and you know very much like mexico and things like that. But then you book like these like anglo market roles and it's like oh shit like i'm next ah jennifer aniston and adam sandler like how does that feel like jumping from one thing to another like that. It's completely surreal. You know like. I grew up watching friends and i grew up watching adam sandler films on in a way. I think some of my comedy comes from. Seemed them you know. I grew up watching sense of humor under timing exactly so i was on sad for the first time we them and we started acting together. It was so freaking weird. Because i was like wow like i totally recognize mike comedy in them under committee in me. You know like our styles like the technique it was. It was so weird but also yeah. Like i don't know i never. I never stopped being their bus around in apprentice. On i i was. Yeah yeah and it was just with her. Because adamant of mice i we became really good friends and I'm really relaxed around now. Them but we don't know why is she. Saw big big big star and missile so big star you know but the thing about her. Rachel brands grew up watching her every single day. Yeah even even we even we did a phone for tomorrow on and we went bars and we had dinners and everything. Every time i see her life. I told you to call me jennifer. Okay rachel no it's it's crazy but yeah it it's fun. I'm really grateful for having those opportunities tour with these amazing talented actors and And you know what i i learned so much. I learned so much watching them like they are so humble and they treat everyone with so much respect in the crew you know like they adam for example. Every time he arrives on said he has speaker with cool music. At seventy i in the morning. Now he's giving high fives to everyone and he knows everyone's name and he's he's really cool because i really believe that energy flows from you know like If the number one of the crew lease he said dick dad's gonna blow everywhere you know. It's you create a tension you create or a goodbye it depends. What are you creating with with your energy. Yeah yeah and you know. You know one of the things that i thought about too when i was you know reading about the movie. The half brothers is so it's a road trip. Were there any like stuff during filming that happened. I know oscar like made a joke about any accidents like. Was there anything that happened. Wild like in the middle filming. Because i'm sure there's some very fun scenes that you don't have to say yet close. We want people to watch them. But i don't know wondering reser. Yeah yeah well We have a co star in the film which is George the gold. Okay pain yes. He was a new diva. he was very difficult. You he has better cat. Catering the nas. He used worry five hours a day and when he was tired he started out of komo. Yes from the second tower as the s on sale and several email way kalmadi. Guys just won't be. Camille york's sue the current whom by real. The lawyer told me he camille taller and does so not see your. The menu is the ada him on and off as a place where they had to digitally in the the slim slim to go. He's supposed to get political delaware. Annecy lena. No realistically not gonna recently puts napkin north. Supposed to make you cry can cocoon own. You're safe now. You say you're in america. Don't worry is that when you bleed here. You know like those in those horrible lying. These factories saint louis mexican cartel the time. He was so interesting because when we were shooting those lines every time we caught you know some members of the crew american members of the crew. They came to me and they were like a louis to you. Young man. These these lines is this. Has this happened to you. Actually some some day. And i was like yeah all the words yes and and they were like my god. I'm so sorry. I can't believe someone told you that i'm so sorry man and and it was really cool because in my mind i was like some people watching. The phone has the same reaction the most opened the conversation to these lines. He's going to be really interesting. Because because it's easy set comedy you know like we have brothers because we want people to have fun. We we didn't want to do a political social film. It's just a comedy but he touches those the men and those things open a door to have a conversation. You know like i really believe comedy's a good beak will to spoke to speak about those kinds of things because i have this image in my head that when the people are laughing and they have their mouths open for muslim doesn't yet does the perfect moment to to stick a spoon of truth mason. Go down that's an. Yeah but fortunately there's also going to be people that are going to see that and like. Yeah that's what i do. This is no finally. I see myself on screen. This from the lab polka capacitor. This and let the same image. Also bay in no survey in lebanon tiger when in doubt long jr extent is now they got on your way kavi limits where belly s thank. You wouldn't come on you lead to be my way. Nope the team. What set up. I'm not say i wake. Oh yeah look cool. He's gone kunis great but we have like also the food and the culture and everything else. Yeah well louise we. I want to say thank you again. For being on our podcast. 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My First Time with Guests Monique Jones and Niko Boles

Brandi Glanville Unfiltered

42:45 min | 2 years ago

My First Time with Guests Monique Jones and Niko Boles

"Straw hut. Media. From straw hut. Media. This is red gland. Bill on. Hey, everybody. Welcome to Brennan, unfilled word happy. Valentine's Day will help you brandy. What did you got me? I I got you this half drank diet coke. Well, we do have two special house to very attractive, especially guess bender Valentine's Day with I heard once-over. Who are they we have Niko bows? And jones. Hey, I'm this over one. I have I have teachers for you that say, it's not fun to be sober. Oh, you got them to thinks this fun. It's not. I mean, it's just. He goes to migos. A bartender. Over far from silver. This is really getting out of. Okay. That's is it under our chair. This whole time. Oh, my God keys to a car. Oprah reference. Oh, right. Yeah. Okay. I've seen the YouTube ever admit that. But you never watched Oprah. I know well, just a little oh me clips, I guess what about Jerry Springer mortgage? Maury povich. Sally Jesse Raphael. Love her. Jenny jones. Joe Dr Phil what we're saying. He I can't I'm friends with this. I'm just going to say digress. Silence. I just feel like yeah. That's all right, anyway, Nico and Monique or host of end of the show is media called my first time. I know I just did it you just did it in the space time. Continuum your episode. Release a very different time later released joking. Good to talk about because it'll be on. Yeah. So I don't know four days Christos a long. You guys Spanish for Jesus Christ. Don't say that those two. Going to hell. All Spanish speakers. Just can't it's just wrong. And he just say the name, I get it. If you're if you're religious, I get it. It's using the Lord's name in vain is written in third book of Genesis, dammit. But I won't say God. And then not word because I think it's just wrong. So you're telling me you've never said exclaiming Jesus Christ. I have in the past I had children. And then I realized it's just not like I'll say fuck all day like I just went to the tennis match, and I've not heard my son's shit more in his life. But I'm going to tennis match. My son's doing tennis. They weren't playing. Oh, God do sport. So he's playing saying shit, the whole shit shit and his dad and myself, and the step mom, we're all they're going. Oh, that's our kid. Great. I'm gonna what he's supposed to say. Instead of Sheesh. It does make the whole noise as you Ma. They had the headphones, and they have the gaming gears. Fuck make you talking here. You. They get it. Do you guys had Valentine's do you? Do do. I do have a Valentine, unfortunately, I'm bartending tonight. Oh, where do you bartend tonight? I'm bartending at the sedan theater. Don't eighteen people have multiple bar. I bartend onto peers and bartend at what do you mean to peer to peers is that I like her here places different peers on the Santa Monica. Pier. Bartend on the Hermosa. Beach freelance bartender. I'm a hustler. All right. I mean, you could make you something right now. I am. I am a I would say, I'm more of a cocktail Logist. Okay. Cock right over my head. We've probably been called that. But yeah, for sure I'm only drink Ryan and sake. So I don't really need. Anything could mean wine. Rosaiah with one ice cube could do that a whispering angel one? I ring ages. -cremento of. North carolina. California. Your day. Oh now does. And you know, why? Because I started at MIT. Everyone copies me if you she's a white girl. Mine too. When I was drinking from Ross Matthews the Asia. Exactly. By the way, speaking of Rocinha. Do you watch big brother celebrity I've seen signs of it? I've seen it my my roommate used to watch it watch Laurien brandy. We didn't do would watch it. And then he also did the thing because online you can actually watch them when they're not which is a real creepy shit, and he would leave that on the TV. So they were just be doing born as shit on the couch. I be doing my nails putting makeup on our eve, but up on me everyone's like spot as you're sick. The boredom was real. But I was talking about it. Because the finale was last night and tamer who was the guest on my podcast podcast one. She won the whole thing. It's awesome. I think well because we got in a fight, right? Then I don't know if she got America's favorite player 'cause I got in a fight about pot with my suck buddy. Yes. I'm interested. This you brought this up when you were doing my first time. But but but they're they're just before Valentine's Day, you guys. I don't you don't supply, obviously, I don't know if either might used to. But now, I don't want those lines on my mouth 'cause that's what cigarette smoking and using a straw in bottles. Really even a Wiedeman because that has a wide. Yeah. No, my mom told me. If you don't wanna use those straws Monique, he'll get lions around your. Smoker. Smoker lines, smoker lines lines. Just shoot it right out of your or something. Well, they yes, you'll have to do that sooner than. It's just I mean, I I have done it. But like, it doesn't actually just get them. I mean, they don't go away. You know what? I mean. They're they're there. You can make them look softer. But they're they're drinking out of a bottle it same thing. So anyway to okay. So that's don't smoke pot. And there are other ways smoke pot in your system smoking. Yes. Put that on the packs of washing may cost us looking live pictures. Again. So yeah, I mean fuck the lungs. I'm all about the way. External beauty. Yeah. So you. I'm high right now. Joe smoke it or eat it. I eat, and I and I smoke it. I make I make my own sugars and syrups. I. Wow. What is to be love CD? It's not to be. CBD because it's not really doesn't have the teach. I gave it to my dogs. I put it in there watching. I don't know. I was thinking about giving it to my dog. I have really high stress anxiety dog. I noticed that's. Yes. Say they're shock collar. It's not really a shock collar. That makes them I knew the puck filters new. Phew. Hitting it. Things are different. I would change. We're talking about pot. And we're talking about you breaking up at two thirty in the morning. Yeah. Well with the fight started right at the end of big brother saw this finale. We I saw most of it to have to rewatch it. But yeah, no. He wanted to leave. I asked to see my the first season. So I bought it and you have to pay for it. Because I didn't I didn't record it when I was on issues big brother while ago. This is the first she's in shoes celebrity big, brother. They started last year which I did that one. And this is the second one. So he wanted to see mine, and I didn't have it recorded. So I bought it for like a lot nine dollars or something stupid. And then he decides he needs to leave because the pot place closes at midnight and watch it some other time I said, I just bought this for you. Because I don't wanna see it. I didn't. I don't watch anything back. I'm like, and you're gonna leave because you need pot. So he's only have one joint left. He he's so had had a joy. View. Get enough. Constantly. All the time every four hours. Okay. So that's that's that's a problem know before that. I'd ask them if you had to between me and pot who would you pick? What would you pay exactly? And he couldn't answer. And I'm like, I I knew it, right? And be pot because he just loves it. So we just got fight about that. And I told them that it's not cool, and I'm done, and I think that's that's wild. This was like I mean, this was a kind of enjoyable relationship. But not a real serious, comma, fuck, buddy. Yes. Yeah. So is there about him hard to lose a good? Fuck buddy. Go away there you just fuck a little less. I'll cough. Unlike where we are. Good point. Yeah. So that so no Valentine's for me. Good. I am single. That's a brand if you know anyone are alleged not a lesbian. I like. I like, I like men you. You can't. No, that's true. Just in general. You're not looking at me thinking, you can't tell like she plays softball. Yeah. No. I'm gonna. No, you're putting come blasted. Oh, my sobriety. Love sober people because I can drink. They'll drive. Yeah. And that's why is only reason that's the. Over you. Them shit for being friends with me ever knows. I love to drink. So how can you be friends with her? I don't care do you. I mean, if someone's newly sober I won't drink around them because you're. Yeah. But my friends are like eight years and thirteen years. I'm my girl, you're driving. I'm getting wasted. Perfect. Still friends with them some people drop off. We've been friends forever. Like not. Yeah. Exactly. Well, some people getting very different lives. Like, I have a friend who once you went sober like I've seen maybe once a year. Yeah. Hall. You wanna see me at the bar might not come to the bar and say, hi, I'll make you surely temple. Nice to go to the bar. But I'm not hanging his late as I used to. And. Oh, yeah. I remember Jesus did you guys date or have sex? No, we'd never had sex now or deja sex with my friend all that. I have. Get about having sex with him. I mean, he was very she wasn't silver at the time was oh, that's why. So do you. Remember this? No, I do. I do. I just like, you know, when you think about like if I had sex with lately and like it wasn't lately. But it's anyway, just one I forget that. I don't meet him. So sorry. Make a list. I tried one day. I was like. Heard of like, we have to carpal tunnel. Yeah. Tax inventory when you get sober, and it's part of your life fourth step yen. So you write down all about sex. But I'm not I didn't. I mean. I didn't have that many. And there are so my don't remember just because those black down just making John Doe time. Around here. Blue is Santa Monica. I mean, listen will well has only been with three people, and it was like, absolutely. Correct. You there? But I also. To definitely do. You know, how many will of course, he knows? He's really. Yeah. I mean, you have to. I can work backwards for a while though. Can't get number. Really? So you're like a man whore. No, look. You're very attractive huge crush on you, and we I I don't have a crush on you. But I do think that you will both don't get me. Don't meet mad at me. But I know what I told you what I gave you for Christmas. I think last year he needs it. But plug, but I use them Chris strips. Because I like your teeth or Christmas gift from her last year. Brandy. Ryan, I guess looking Chris win. Zik cream. Cream? Just right. She really needed them. One. I have raised amount Mike with new younger expensive as hell CVS is making their own brand of them now. So your work you're fine to. Hop in the new tees thing this news room. Right. Absolutely. They don't Dame. It's not a teeth person. Yeah. I've only had my teeth whitened once and it was a just a. I don't either. The big black site heath just. Nego hates me now. And he's hiding his mouth in front of this. Filtered with the guests come on and find a way to just systematically hair. Everybody down. Sober. Very grumpy on. I just don't like. Day just broke up with someone. So taking it out on all of you. Let's dance with me tonight. They can't class, but I'm doing what kind of dance hip hop. She's like she's like, I'm pretending. She doesn't exist. I've already been through it. So I know what you know. I know. You know, when you feel like you've been bullied in middle school back, and yeah, just like I'm just trying to it back. Shade. It. I think I have toothpicks floss my car. I get my children like I also very session with things important, very. Israel once had to bring four of my friends together to talk to them about the plaque build up on their bottom teeth. Your intervention. Really there. Around. These people are my friends on needed to tell them. Do. You have a good dentist. Yes. Is super expensive though. Yeah. All into expense used car salesman. Asian wrong. No insurance. I just cancelled mine because he doesn't care. Yeah. Take my insurance, and he never charges me for anything. Really? Okay. So I go in for cleanings, and they tell me everything strike, maybe we should give them shut out. Now who's status? Listen, let me give me a second. After the sag building on Wilshire, Dr. Yeah. Gosh, darn it. Then we'll figure it out. Now such a stereotype how would you now? Well, you can get is it an Englishman is the area English last name slipped that shit up. Well, look it up. Now, ferguson. But does he is he Ford without insurance because I think if you have decent teeth why pay for dental insurance, it's at my work. I mean, it's included too. Sag? If have it doesn't they just there's the good Dennis don't cover any good. Dennis. Dennis Dennis uncover anyway. Yeah. It's so it's so dumb. Yeah. But sorry. Bring everyone else down today because I'm hey. So. We're gonna shut him up. Dr Anthony j Milanez Italian. I said I was the second one. I said. Melanie's? No, it a little different. Spell that. He could be a talion. Yeah. He has an olive toned skin. That's that sounds an accident. No. He doesn't feel like every time. I got like a Sinatra playing. That's the most. Very pleasant. There's a guide back tossing dough in the. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It really weird dentist to four white people. Guessing making stuff. I'll go down to ship on this. So that's fine. I'll take it. I mean, I could be true. I am hungry. Hey, Monique Nico. Have you ever been propositioned by talent manager? Sexually isn't it? All the same thing. I want to talk about it. But Jeff wants to talk about it. And I like this is the point where I just started like sweating. And then he goes finally goes, look what it make any difference. If you knew pitching and not catching. Wow. Was he talking about shows this week of my first time our podcast about people's? I is about Jeff getting proposition by talent manager. Nearly new he wasn't going to catch him in the freezer. I'll I'll tell you that much. Wait to Lagos the produce section. They make sure to subscribe on straw up media, apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And if you like it, leave a rating view. I want to. So they're show is called my first time. Yeah. Yes. It is. I want to see both of you guys just to tease the audience. So they go check out the show because we got some really really funny stories. I'll show good. You guys have some like quick concise. First times that you could give us that. We've done on the show that I love yourself. Just to kind of give people like a little tense. Hers angel. I I I'm DUI. I was the second one. God I had no judgment and anal or ended you. Yeah. Yeah. Only one eight early one DUI many for the first. For the second. Great so much in common. Larry have really good team. Thanks. She's he's sideswiping girl. Someone on my side, come on underside. All right. Let's go. Nikko? Would you feel like you have a I have? I I handle it was messy. With a woman. Yes. What I'm okay analysts is definitely messy. Yeah. Boy, you put it in are not prepared stuff coming. You did it when she wasn't prepare. She didn't know she wasn't prepared. She's just like, you know, slighted on in there. And the next thing, you know, there's first of all back on in easily. That's. Rim protection. Of course. Okay. Great. Good. Good. Good. She was just lie girl. Girlfriend. It wasn't just a real. It was that was singing shoes shoes another place a special occasion, kind of like every it was especially the hotel. It was last night. It was Idaho. And. Makes it sound sarcastic. But I feel like we I got this. This horny goat weed in in the bathroom at a more. You know, you put the quarter in you twist it, and and it comes into horny goat weed tried that did you find that had any effect? I don't know 'cause I was also drawn and I had a couple of accidents. Oh. Remember and your penis was working in. I mean. Yeah, you get the magic stick. It was. Takes the whiskey allergic. I throw up. Well, God it is. So good really like all my friends when they started their addicted like well. Yeah. And then it's off. Yeah. And they can't make can't get that. It's dumped a bunch of Percocet down the drain. Down the dream killing. All these. No, they'll have a good time. They will. Right. Gonna drink at that. We're saving. Looking out about how great this fissure going now? Right turtle. You all of these things happened. And then you're in a hotel room. And then you decide to to slip it in the back to try, and then just sorta all gets out, and then you look down and just run into the shower to call for new seats. No, no, at least you didn't have delays like put towels down. What is just I don't know. What we did. I did not that was not that did not get ready and change slept. Today. Did you ever have a messy situation? No, she says she's gonna say. Tuck and show. I'm very I don't even do number two. So that would never that's true. That's true. She doesn't move girls to of course now. But now I've got a ton. Yeah. I've had a ton a ton of great I times. Okay. You know? Middle. Bama. That's a good one. Did he come into your bar or did you go? It was I met him at Tom Hanks's house antsy. Oh. Something are you are you friends with Tom Hanks Lewis's thirty it was his thirtieth year re with Rita, so they had their house renewed. Because of Greek Orthodox. I was bartending. Nasty. Colin attractive bartenders. Like a thing. Say don't want other people drink socially, that's probably very attracted. Besides my hideous. I've already I threw it and come up on the other side. So you'll be. I'm saying because you're so attractive, you could make more tips. Well, you have my state. They're have English blood. I'm fully English fifty nine percent English. My aunt my ancestry results back. Oh, you what are you? I'm like polish twenty nine percent English Wales. Blah, blah, blah. I see that thirty five percent Russian easterners. Eastern Scottish in Italian. Odom. That's right. I read about them. What about over? Get her Obama drinks. Him cdc? He saying he drinks vodka on the rocks of the twists. Oh, we had Kelly. Okay. He was fine with kettle, but I saw him and Michelle Michelle singing duets for live band karaoke stopping and then him Michelle Tom Hanks, Bruce Springsteen, Tom Hanks wife saying a big big jam for the final song. I mean, seriously come on. I'm not going to disrespect it just you would never do that. We go audio over Oprah's uneven go up, by the way. Hey, it's. You know, my friend, Bobby deniro namedrop. It was surreal. I've had dinner with by restore on. She's like never say my name. Right. Never speak. My name. The funny. The funniest thing was I was bartending with another guy. And I had just recently lost my other bartending job forgetting to drunk, and as the bartender bartender and this other kid you learned her lesson learned my lesson. They're exactly with is called triple VIP's VIP's and VIP yuppies. So this other kids starts getting blacked out behind the bar and bartending with him. And there's all these like Judd appetite is up, and then he stumbles and knocks vase on Judd appetito shoulder spill swatter over and then like stumbles back up, and he's like, hey, man watch where you're going. Happens out, you know. That you would think you'd be cool. He was just like really shocked like what kind of walked away with man like that have been cool to talk to him. And he was just being drug listening. Conan O'Brien we came up, and he was being drunk. Is this this? This is the Tom hang Tom Hanks knows everyone in Hollywood. It was it was a lot of them. I know assigned to share. Which one the or calling right? Going from his first marriage because he also has a couple of super young young one with a lot of tattoos with Rita Collins different colors from somebody because he's having Tommy was married to no idea. Somebody else somebody else somebody else y'all Google that anyway. But yeah, you Conan O'Brien who who was not friendly. That's even more interest in that environment. You'd think everyone. Thanks. Now, the only person who I guess Kimmel was a little awkward, but that was it. He wasn't mean. Right. Like, his eyebrows outta. Yeah. Yeah. They're very girly. Is eyebrows him. Oh, yeah. Check them out. Okay. Kim. Is the best. Her better than mine. It makes me feel that it is awkward. We probably get some threaded. I mean, something maybe he had. Good good. Yeah. Yeah. For girl. Right. But otherwise, I think he's great. I've never met him. So he so let an interesting, and I've got a lot of I've got a lot of weird first time I've lived I've lived a full life. Then thank God podcast. Do our show verse one just do one. I have a lot of first time. Yeah. Tells about one of yours. Do we have follow up that? Right. This you can't Conan everyone. Faye? Have fake. She's whatever. Yeah. Just told started totally undermine you just want to just know he was driving over here today. Mike. Mike. Really? Mama story. I the Grand Canyon rent around in one day. You hide it. I hate the Grand Canyon rim to remain one day just bragging crazy. I'm afraid. Rim to rim. That's a that's a. That's what it's worth rim to south round full on kit. Or I mean, there's caves belong to lunging cave diving cave because it's a cave. If you go down, right anion, k it's a Kanye, and it's not a cave was. I didn't long. Did you squirrel suited? No. I use my flipping. I should like to Nico. Bella shit. I wanna hear modique story unnecessarily amount of flex. I. She hiked diet coup. Fucking day. Coffee, coffee me. That's true. But I will give you a diet coke. Thank you later. When she gives me that shirt, very, I'm gonna give you the shirts. Okay. All right. Hiked it went down across and up by. No meeting. I was meditating. Thing it was like twenty seven and a half miles to about twelve thirteen hours. I can't remember it was it was a while ago. Garlic trae land that is running a hundred thirty six miles. Her husband told me her husband. I mean, it's amazing what we're capable so crated technically, you did something tremendously difficult and Nico just step one hundred bar. Right. Very key SABA famous fucking do anything. I had I had to stop and drink from from. Drunk. He was like in nineteen year old. Bart. Look like he was thirteen years old flock book. Event let streak in single. Gay, and he was having sex with one of the catering like main guy, it's like a big appetite. Our right. You know, I. You know, I had this underbelly under undercurrent. Wow. Hot caterers hockey. Yeah. There's like only a lotta heart dot a lot of high. They want. They want to see attractive people serving them food and drinks, they pretty unlike better about themselves like be attractive, but you're my bitch tonight. I feel like that's like ugly people do. Hotter. People to make themselves feel better bartender, but you're really hot. I'm better than you. Yeah. Exactly. I think kind of own that, exactly. It's not right. Pretty person like organization like writes. Hire own good-looking unions, only, ugly. Why are you taking out? We can't help it that we're pretty. Threaded? We are discriminative is that word, Tori within the. You say discriminates is not a real word, but you can use it on the discriminative word. It's definitely it's not somebody look it up. I don't believe it is. But we have we have only there were a device. Vantage of now, we're just here using him to do things for us because he's attractive, right? Yeah. That's exactly is high Ryan bitch work because he's attractive discriminative. Nestle. Tive? Is that a word? It's not. It's not okay. Discriminatory. Yes. That's right. That's fine. We get a point this time around. Yeah. One zero. All these giant words to try to like act smart news. I'm not gonna know. Right. Bubbling scrabble look. We ring to the podcast. He's like I'm gonna use hyper Burghley. Her common word, but I'm blonde. I went to. I bet did you watch a lot of Frazier. My friends. Big words. Discriminate discriminative. Able to recognize or make distinctions. Oh, thank you talk. You ac- were those. Thank you. Urban dictionary. This is real. Screen of points. That will get you. Yeah. I will say that discriminatory are basically the same thing. But it doesn't matter right. To say, I'm gonna say tomato tomato tomato. Let's call. The one thing was. Word. They're sticking their fan. Thank you, three points. Tomato tomato paid overtime. Each other after that. That would be my first time that would be my first. I. First time. We'll one of my first time. The first time that I ever tried edibles. I was camping. Okay. And I had never I made it all the way through college. And it never smoked or any any kind of weed at all and the first thing after after college couple years after college, and I'm camping with some friends, and there's like a cookie, and I was married at the time and me and my wife had never China. We're like fucking. Let's just like give it a go. Right. So my friend was each start with a quarter of the cookie and then assess and how you feel like and it was pretty decently size. You know, kind of like one of those like Lenny and Larry cookies is very short and getting the point right now. You listening to him talk about Obama. I get the fun part. So then an hour later. My my wife at the time was like, I'm just feeling tired. I'm going to go to sleep. And I was like, I'm not feeling shit and my friends like just finish it. And I was like cool. So I did. And then as and maybe an hour later, I'm still kind of normal even and this still. Really long time for you. For me, ever, even other drugs. So I I go into tent to go to sleep and all of a sudden it feels like every single sound that's distant fucking right up next to my head I managed to fall asleep. Eventually, and then my ex wakes me up, and she says I have to p fuck she's like, I don't wanna go out there alone. So stand up, and it feels like, you know, like Pacific rim where they're like pirates of pilots of giant robots. I never saw like in my head. My consciousness was like a pilot, and my body was a giant robot body and couldn't control it and make it do what I wanted to do. So I kept falling down, and I hit a rock and like my knee got caught. And so by trying to walk with her. So she can p is a she finds a place in squatting as well. I'm going to be too since I'm here. And I tried to be into the stream and heat heat all over myself, just all over my hands. Great. It just went everywhere. I don't even I don't even know if she was aware. Pino liver myself. I. Yeah. Sheets that was when our I don't think that counts it feel like it counts. I mean, really mad at me when I peed on her in the show. Why did you did you say that? I did interesting thing to do peed on someone just to say that you just water coming. Arm. And then there's just a urine stream has doesn't make it as interesting. It was fun. Was your son? Did you ask to get? Oh, you did you ask to get paid on? Like, I never felt like more warm water. Another strain was actually really fun. Have you done it since then? No. But somebody asked me to pay on them. And I don't p I can't don't here. Like, I have what's called like you can't performance performance. Just could not. Sexual. Yeah. But he found someone. I'm sure you can always hit on by accident. How got like a sort of like a like an orgasm thing. When a lot of. A lot of fluid released have had that. Yeah, escorting. Yeah. Good was peeing. I dunno female jacket female. There's a lot of liquid though there. Oh, yeah. You can you can get off. You can come without there being like a ton of liquid when you're squirting. I've only scored a few times. But like, it's Stephanie you didn't Lino. It was just something that you're like, I control is exciting. Especially when the guy they like, oh, of course. Job when you're not expecting it though. You just hit in the face. I don't know if it went on I'm telling you. That's what happened to me say you were down there at your face. Good. Yes. She could have done that that this time. Trick. Site. It's decent bragging rights. It is. I would say, that's that's big. Such a great job. That was like my standing ovation. Yeah. Just in case the kids there don't need to hear this. Yeah. Immense amounts for special newness perspective. Yeah, we can be sex positive in a nice way. Positive unless you're unless you're Bill. Cosby? That's right. Wow. We we're going to wrap it up now as a can of worms granny's over ask for it. Goodness. Wow. Might just take this out. 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I'm your host Matt Waxman and each week I'll interview key players, and some of the most brazen and bizarre Kemp's unlevel, the playing field in the name of winning. Frauds cheats, scam artists thirty year olds who forged a birth certificate to play high school basketball thought to the mall as I. Attempt to uncover the crazy dirty tricks of the trade, listen and follow trickier Asian on the iheartradio APP, apple podcasts or wherever you listen to. Heireann Katie. COURIC and I'm Bozeman, Saint John and this is back to Biz with Katie and Boz. boz This Week. We have a bit of departure. You know when you and I decided. We wanted to do this podcast together. We were really talking about getting back to Biz. or how businesses would change in light of the pandemic, but of course everything is changed because of this huge cultural moment where witnessing with black lives matter. Right! Katie I mean right now. We're finding that there are so many narratives being told not just about the pandemic, but you're right about black lives, matter in about so many things that are concerning us in our society, and so really interesting to talk to someone who is at the center of creating narratives and stories that we're all paying attention to absolutely and judd appetite. How is just that a writer producer director? He's got a new movie out called. Called the King of Staten Island starring Pete Davidson. It's really semi autobiographical, because it's about Pete's own challenges and journey of losing his father, his mom is played by Marisa Tomei and his little sister is actually played by judge daughter Maud right, except even the little sisters leaving the nest, she started off to college and she's leaving her twenty something year old brother behind and be okay without me here. You don't think I could survive here without you. Don't be Adecco okay. Like be nice tomorrow. Okay, don't give her a hard time. She deserves break. I always give her a break wins. What am I? GonNa, get my break like. What are you talking about? All anyone ever does this worry about? You was ignored my entire childhood because a you yeah. I forgot that my childhood was so dandy. Okay, you get are crazy. Because Dad died. Okay, at least you got to know your love. You didn't get to know him. Because that's why you're almost normal. If you guys know me would've known that. He was like the fucking coolest guy ever, and that will ruin the rest of your life. But what are you GONNA do? Are you going to get a job? Or you're gonNA leave the House I. Don't know. I'm GONNA open that Tattoo restaurant I. Don't know if that Tattoo. Restaurant is the real winner. We know about business, and that's not it i. don't think so either. Right, but there really is so much to unpack in this movie I mean it's also dealing with trauma and mental health in a way. That feels really direct. Refreshing I was really impressed with this movie bows, but of course it was done a while ago. We'll be talking to John about the future, not only of movie making but movie going, but we wanted to check in with the president how he's doing months into this pandemic hold up at home, one man among many women, his lovely wife Leslie Man and his nearly grown daughters Iris and Maude that might have been one of my favorite parts about the whole conversation how he got the takeover, so let's start there. Irish now judd. Here twenty, two and seventeen and That's not the ADRI WANNA hang out with your parents a lot. You know that's the moment when you leave, and you're so happy to get away from your parents so a very weird moment for us all to be stuck together. Because now we're not like a family. We are like weird roommates, because when you spend this much time together and they're that old I mean I will be eighteen in October. You can't really even give them advice or tell them what to do. You can't ground them because we're all grounded together. I, people. We're five minutes from doing mushrooms together at this point. The family dynamics are very interesting during these strange. But we're all lucky. And all surviving and I keep thinking about how fortunate I am. Because there's so many people who are really really hurting so judd we have so much ground to cover. You've been so busy and we're excited to talk to you about your new movie, but I I just WANNA go back in time quickly because you were a bit of a late bloomer. You didn't Iraq your first movie until you were thirty five years old because you had a hard time. Convincing studio executives that your ideas had potential was it about your form of comedy or your brand of Comedy Judd, that student had studio exact same thanks, but no thanks. I I. It's hard to know I think that. You know like freaks and Geeks, which was about high school kids, but it was. It was the Weirdos. It was the potheads and the GEEKS and there wasn't a lot of those on television. especially in the lead roles back then it used to be that everyone was gorgeous, and it was like a soap opera and it was very. You Know Dawson's creek style. And someone wrote an article, and they said well. This is like independent film on television. Television, and at that time you before streaming before cable went in that direction. We just seem weird. I mean freezing. geeks right now would totally fit it on television. It might even be corny. Compared to what everyone is watching at this point, but back then it just seems very odd to show the problems of teenagers where it didn't get solved where it was. was just painful, and then sometimes things go terribly wrong, and then the episode would end, and you realize. Oh, this is about that. Sometimes, it's just hard, and sometimes you lean on your friends, and it doesn't work out and you don't get the girl, and you don't get the good position in sports, and you're kind of humiliated by everyone and you're just trying. Trying to hold it together to survive high school, and so I think some of the ideas I like they. Maybe they were, they were so truthful that the culture wasn't doing a lot of that at the time, but then suddenly with everything that HBO is doing and whatever all all the shows. What would the sopranos that? Lena Dunham did the culture changed. You have a new movie. The King Sine Island. And it had to be released on demand instead of in theaters. Obvious reasons as we've been discussing but you also said that you feel this movie. Somehow destined to be seen right now. Why why is that? Why does it need to be seen right now? The movie is about. A A family struggle to get over. The Japheth of the Father who was a firefighter and a real-life Davidson's fathered losses, life and nine eleven in the movie. It's you know it's a fabricated situation, but it's about a family who's frozen in their grief. They haven't really moved forward the way they should in a healthy way, and only when Pete's characters mother starts dating another fireman played by Bill Burr is played by May. Does it force them to confront everything that has held them back gold trauma. That's. Prevented them from moving forward and I like the movie is about sudden. Loss is about grief is about the ways it can impede our lives and. It's also about firefighters, heroes, nurses, and first responders so when I was asked. Would you put it out on video on demand now versus releasing it in a year, I thought well. This is kind of. The subject that we're all dealing with. How do we deal with sudden change and loss and grief? And how do people come together and help each other and he'll so? Maybe it's supposed to come out right now. It felt weird to hold onto it to say. Let's just wait a year, so it could be in theaters. Like why do I need it? In theaters is an ego trip for me because i. need the experience of the of the audience or Or did I make the movie to make people happy to help them? Go through something emotionally that I think might be helpful, and then I thought. Maybe it's supposed to come out now. Maybe that's what it was destined to do. Yeah, but you're right. I feel like movies. Content in general is sort of a therapy right? This probably brought up a lot of difficult unresolved issues for Pete Did you find that did bring up anything even for yourself. It definitely did for all of us in terms of Pete. We sat around for years talking nonstop about how it felt to. Lose A. and to lose apparent seven when you don't even really understand what's going on, and then there's this added dimension which is. Your father dies in nine eleven, and the entire world is talking about nine eleven for the rest of your life. It doesn't really go away and so I would I would say the Pete Is. My mother died of cancer and see thousand and eight. and. It was very traumatic and how it happened, it was very traumatic, but no one talks about it, so I can go years and no one will mention my mother other than my sister, and and so in some ways it gives me some separation it allows me to heal allows me to develop you know this life after losing her for him, people talk to him about it every day of. Of His life multiple times a day, and it's connected to their grief and their loss, and so in a way he's he's in a groundhog day loop of it, and he has his own private grief. He doesn't miss his his I. At the core of it, he just misses his dad and he missed out on a relationship that he really grieves for and I. We don't really talk about it. Much but I I missed. And I'm sorry that I've. Been So. Difficult to deal with. Ultra. Get it together and. Say To. I. Mean I talked a lot with? Pete about when he was a kid, he was having a lot of mental health struggles, and he used to listen to kid, cutty and kid. Cudi's had all this amazing music about his anxiety. And Depression and Pizza said that really got me through it, and in the last years. A lot of what we've been working on is. Content about mental health and Pete wanted to make a movie that was. About, his story so that if you were home depressed or suicidal or had anxiety, you might watch his movie in relate to Pete, and and see some hope in how he got better. I think it's just so remarkable that. We can use art in this way to find healing. For a number of different things that happen in our lives, but I also think it's remarkable that you're able to sort of nurture that kind of storytelling you know and with talent fed sometimes maybe would get lost otherwise and we know that you certainly mentor a lot of young talent and provided vehicles for people like Amy Schumer and Khorasan Weight and Seth Rogan. What is it that you see in talent like that? You know in their in their own storytelling or how to nurture that type of vulnerability. I think that. Clearly, Food Garry shandling who I worked for the Larry Sanders show. I learned a lot about mining your life for your art. and. I think as a fan of music I always was drawn to people who would tell stories that were clearly from their lives could be James. Taylor v the Beatles. You love those songs that you knew were real I. Think as a kid that was very important to me and then I think Richard Pryor in a way. Taught Me Oh. You just work it out on stage like he just told he told the stories of his life. Here's the things I've done. Here's the thing things I've done. which are terrible? Here's the mistakes I made. Here's what I've learned and. They were a lot of artists like that Nirvana just just all these people were you thought. Oh, they're not kidding. They're really showing you the raw real stuff and. I learned with Gary that you could take your life as the raw materials for storytelling, and he blur the line. Some of it's totally made up. Some of it is actually very close to the truth and a writer's room at a TV show. Everyone tells their stories, and then that led to me writing. Knocked up and forty virgin. For Virgin with Steve, this is forty, and then I started trying to mind my stuff, which is always a combination of made up and and true things that you're thinking about. And then when I met Pete, I mean not was as close to the bone as you can get, but he was. As brave as anyone I've ever met in terms of I'm willing to go all the way judge. There's no aspect of this that I'm GonNa hold back. Most people hold back something like no. I can't go that far. That's to darker that that'll make weird. Pete cyclists to show all of. When we come back, judd appetite on how to make Hollywood a more diverse welcoming place for all storytellers. This summer facebook is supporting businesses. All across the country was six weeks of free digital training classes, insightful interviews with business experts and presentations from now entrepreneurs all to help businesses. Get back to business. Come join us at F.. B. Dot com slash summer of support boost with facebook, summer of supporters, giving businesses the opportunity to take six weeks of digital training classes watch exclusive interviews with business experts and virtually sit in on presentations from renowned entrepreneurs, and did I mention that this is all available online for free. 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And it's interesting because Judd has actually faced criticism about the lack of diversity in his own work, so we started. They're asking him where his head was that with all of this and what he can do to better elevate black stories. Yeah. It's an ever evolving. For me, princes with freaks and geeks would I went to high school. There was one black person in thirteen years of high school on Long Island where I grew up, so if I did high school show and I said well. Let's make that thirty forty percent. You can do that and I think in in this era. You would do that, but at the time. We just wrote about what our high schools looked like. And in that was not that and maybe that was completely wrong at the time, but you know we came from places that were not diverse. Then I worked Lena Dunham on girls at the time, they weren't shows with female show runners who were the lead and the producer and the director, and that became something that I think. Really was a game changer for women running their shows that had led to shows like fleabag, and all these other programs where women could create a show for themselves and started and directed and produce it then some people were like well. That should be more diverse, and you're like okay. I can see that we need to keep broadening it. We're all figuring out like what is truthful. How would you do and what I feel like the solution to? It is as like what we did with the big sick, which is I met male nine Johnny Emily. Gordon and they wanted to write this story about how they met in a lot of it was about. You know a a family of people from Pakistan and their experience in America and how their family worked, and I'll tell you no one wanted to make it. Doesn't matter how successful I've been I. couldn't sell that script. And Emily and Camille had an amazing story, and they're brilliant and an incredible actor. He's on television. No one so we just developed it for years for free. No one paid them. And then we got film nation to give us five million dollars to make the movie right, so we get five million dollars to make the movie now might normally buy movies about thirty million dollars so right there you could say there's almost a systemic racism in the budget. Right because there's a belief that no one will want to see a kid from Pakistan as the lead in a comedy in America. So, the movie gets made. Fil Nation stands behind nothing gives day. Give us the money. They're great, but the studios did. We showed it sundance. It's a big hit. They sell it for a lot of money to Amazon and then lionsgate distributes it. And now you've got the corporations behind it because we've proven, it's good. And then it makes a ton of money right and it makes a ton of money, and it basically becomes an example that the racism which makes it hard to make. This movie is all bullshit is completely unfair, and it's not even accurate to what the audience wants. The audience wanted that movie. There's no reason why it should have been a five million dollar movies could have been a thirty million dollar movie, and and that's how I learned to deal with us, which is can I give opportunities to diverse people? To tell their stories, and maybe I could use my wisdom to help them and. That seems to be the best way forward and the truth is. Always Sound Lane saying it I can't tell you how many projects I've tried to make. The didn't work where we couldn't get the script, right. I did a pilot with Kevin Hart in two thousand and two I was like the first guy to go. I think Kevin Hearts the biggest star in the world and it took A. Long time after that for him to figure it out, but we were on that on that train from day one when he was on undeclared, he's in the forty year old virgin, but I personally was never good enough to crack the scripts. To help Kevin, make it. You know he did that in his own work that had nothing to do with me, and so we try, and sometimes we we just fail also I think the the brilliant thing that you just said was about even the example of your high school right and that if he were to write something about your high school experience, you would write about this big class with this one kid. Kid in it, and that is the that is the middle of the issue, right? It's not so much about having white people right black stories. It's about having black people right black stories, diversifying the storytelling, and so I think it's it's really quite important, and there's a responsibility of those who have the door open to find ways to extend it so that our storytelling can become more diverse to. Ridley. I also think it's about systemic racism like Wise Judd, going to a school or me for that matter where there's like a handful of black kids in the entire school, but I think that's a reflection of you know so many issues that created this de facto segregation that sudden and I am bows you to a certain extent to even though you're a little younger than we are in while I'm the old one of the group. We're all about ten years of art, but I think it's it's. It's a reflection of what was happening society. When Judd Ni- were growing up, but one thing I wanted to ask you. Judd to build on something you said. Why are these network executives or the studio executives so clueless I think what's so interesting. You said they weren't reflecting what the audience wanted right? You know so. They're saying no, and yet. The audience is saying yes, so why is there such a disconnect? Is it because of the people who hold these positions of power to green light the project? I think there's a lot of fears. That are just raw, and it's not. It's about every aspect of diversity. When we made bridesmaids I didn't think we were doing anything to help women. I mean I grew up on Gilda, radner and Tony Fields and Lucille Ball. There was any part of me. That thought that men were funnier than women. If anything I think that. My greatest heroes were women, so I just wanted to make a movie with Kristen Wig. I didn't think that this was symbolic I didn't think it was about helping. Women prove they could be you know. The leads of movies or female driven comedies I just thought Chris wigs genius. Let's make a movie with her. And then people started saying you know the movie does well. Maybe it'll help. The studios realization make more movies with female comedic leads. I never thought of it as the test case, and then it turned out, it did very well, and it did lead to a bunch of other movies happening for different people. But that was a theory like the studios were pursuing women to be the leads of comedies in the way they should have. It would happen here and there, but you know that'd be a Goldie Hawn movie or you? You know every once in a while. Someone would get a shot, but it was still way less. Than men and so for me. I just tried to be more aware of it. I like being in terrain where no one is so one of the reasons. Why do certain things just because? This, this community isn't getting a movie. It's fun to try to make a great one because it's not something that everyone has burnt. But I realize I. Just need partners. I need to partner up with with these people and we have a lot of projects that we hope you get done. We're doing a gay romantic comedy with Billy Eichner and there hasn't been a big studio romantic comedy like that it's. been done. It's been done maybe once or twice ever, but he's got the big budget. He doesn't have the big sick budget. He's got the real budget from Universal Studios, and he wrote a hysterical script, and it's and the truth is. It's kind of sad that it's a big deal to get it. It. It's very sad, but that's what we're treated. Were were trying to tell great stories and partner of the people that we believe in, and hopefully that's the way we could make a big difference. We're GONNA. Take a short break, but when we come back. Judd tells us how he thinks. The pandemic will change the movie industry perhaps or good. I think we can all agree that. This is a very challenging time for all businesses, but here's some great news. FACEBOOK is offering six weeks of free digital training classes. That's right, free complete with insightful interviews with business experts and exclusive presentations from renown entrepreneurs. You can learn more at F.. B. Dot. com slash summer of support. It's an incredible resource that can really help. Get Your Business back on track. 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Let's go because I. I really would never to put anyone in danger I know when. When this time passes, and things are safe, everyone will run back to the movie theaters just like they're trying to run back to everything now before they should, but there's going to be a very painful pause for the industry. A lot of movie theater cirque are closing though I mean some people say saying this is just accelerating trend that we were already witnessing, and and that is kind of the demise of movie theaters, which would really make me sad, but do you think that movie watching is GonNa? Come back. I do I do because I people might just miss it. They can come back bigger because people are tired of being in their homes binging, and maybe it will make them appreciate the experience. I think it will always be there. The question is what will we make for the theater? What will we make for home viewing? So everyone wants to see spectacle right? We WanNa see explosions in superheroes in theater. People aren't really going to the theater to see what used to be. The mid price drama it see the studios spending thirty five billion dollars on drama. The way they used to make a Meryl Streep Movie There's less of that happening. It's still happening. It's, but it's kind of lower budgeted and going straight to streaming a fair amount of time, and so i. think what's going to change is what goes in the theater and it's hard to know. You know what to make it because they're making some great movies that are meant for streaming, and maybe an independent filmmaker that used to make a movie for two million dollars in a theater might get ten million dollars to make it Netflix. And so there's all sorts of. Trades. Well we're seeing good lord seeing a lot of drama. In our regular lives right? The, theater. And clearly the election looming. Lord. Help us all. We just had this great conversation with stacy last week. Who is just so impressive I I? Really admire her and I. Know that you share her concern about voter suppression in this country. What initially sparked your activism around this issue in particular? I mean generally my exit. I give him was set off by the fact that. When Donald Trump started birtherism. I was just really disgusted. I wrote some folks for the President for the correspondents dinner. That made fun of trump. Now I know that. He's taken some flak lately. But no one is happy. One is prouder. To put this birth certificate matter to rest than the Donald. And that's because he can finally get back to focusing on the issues that matter. Why. Did we fake the moon landing. What really happened in Roswell. And we're all began to buck. The. Reason why? Some of those jokes were harsh was because I was so. Annoyed scared about his looming presence, and I even said to everybody I. Think we should go harder at him. This is a real destructive force. In our country. And by worst nightmares have come true about what could happen? And I think the only way he stays in office is through voter suppression. That's the only way he does it by setting up rules and working with local. State governments to make it harder for people to vote in areas where he might not. Be In favor and. That is something that is going to be handled in the courts. Obviously I always supported the ACLU 'cause. They do a lot of work fighting voter suppression. He's already saying. That voting by mail will be filled with fraud. When there is no fraud at all, there's no history of it, but that Stacey pointed out Judd Stacey pointed out that there is very little voter fraud, and that is so misleading, and that's what they always fall back on when it comes to making voting more accessible to more people. Role also I. Don't know if people talk about it enough. When Donald Trump or president in two thousand and sixteen he was saying it was rigged before he won so his playbook, which is to set himself up to always win even when he loses, he says it's unfair before it happens, they should pull out all the clips of him. Saying this in two thousand sixteen and it's happening while he's colluding with Russia. It's happening while he's doing all sorts of things wish unethical or illegal, so he sets himself up to have a grievance and to get people worked up, and then he's putting a lot of judges, and he hopes that he can say the elections unfair, and then maybe the Supreme Court support some bizarre ruling. That keeps him in office. Or maybe there has to be a second election and you know it sounds crazy, but. There are people on that court that are gonNA support anything that he says and Philippe. We saw what happened with Dhaka. This week! He's not winning everything the Supreme Court, but he's certainly gambling. Off with this election I would assume. I mean you're in such a great position judge. You have so much influence. Empower in Hollywood and. I'm curious how you plan to use it or what? You're what you're thinking about and looking at in terms of projects right now. In terms of my company where we do a lot of development. I feel good because. We were in this mindset a while. You know we we. We have been looking to do diverse projects. We've been looking to do things which are more political I feel like in all areas. It's not just. It's diversity of thought as well. There are so many things that we don't talk about what do we do talk about it and people feel seen and less alone. It really helps them in their lives and inspires them in so many ways so I hope that that's what comes of this this time and kindness. or kindness, we need to lift each other up and take care of each other and make that our our focus. That was Judd Appetito and his latest movie is the King of Staten Island available on demand. That does it for this episode of back to Biz with Katie and bows, and you know what's crazy. We're nearly at the halfway mark at this series. So, are you having fun doing this post? No I'm not. This is a lot of pressure. Well? You're giving great job and I love having you as my partner. Well thank you Katie no I, really do love you and I'm having a blast, and of course I mean we've been so inspired, and I've been so inspired by our guest. Td jakes open to Medi Medi Baras Stacey Abrams I mean come on Stacey Abrams all of these goals I mean it's just been awesome I know we've been really lucky that we've gotten so many people to talk with us. Especially during this critically important time really in our nation's history, but we want to hear from you, dear listeners, so let us. 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