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Heartland Newsfeed Podcast Network: Bedroom Beethovens (051: Juicy the Emissary)

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32:19 min | 1 year ago

Heartland Newsfeed Podcast Network: Bedroom Beethovens (051: Juicy the Emissary)

"You're listening to bedroom. Beethoven's were notable music makers breakdown stories accompanied by songs and melodies woody's documenting growth through their ten thousand. Our journey and me my name was cello. Your host is the bedroom Beethoven Nobody talks about. Thank you for this like I was looking forward to this chat. Man I love you interviews. I thank would you like. It's excellent. People can continue to learn the stories that he's a bedroom Beethoven's you find out about in the shed light on on us. It's made why we really need documentation. Tation like new elina who welcome everybody to episode fifty one of the podcast. This week is my name's juicy the emissary ADS produced for Asia Mars and Bonnie Witt more in the past some names you might know. I worked with OPIO. Invest last air. Got A big catalog work with a lot of people Juicy creates pure chamber music hip hop where everything from funk classical music the the dental legend grace's meals his presence as we talk about its decade worth of events the ten thousand hour journey juicy the emissaries an oral architect arranging sounds decree unshakable structures capable of accommodating the most fastidious audio dwellers. His new tape is is available for preorder. It's called timber a great story that involves the Og House shoes that brings everything full circle in twenty twenty bedroom. Beethoven's DOT COM is the website. Check me on instagram. Follow along hit up the website and you can even shoot me an email email for your heart out via your keyboard. Also if youtube is your jam just search for episodes clips there as well. Lastly if you'd like support for this show head on over to the website and pick up a nice t shirt with the emphasis on nights. It's not cheap quality just cheap price and I'm not trying to sound sound like us mattress salesman. Its bid soft I- quality check myself and Patriot dot com slash. That's better Beethoven's where you could just give me a buck or to gain access the perks like early episodes sticker packs and more. And you can't support me at the same time so so it's a win win guys episode number fifty one on to your seats. Let's the step aside rocket. Yeah I hope you like cheesecake joke man. Yeah and you know twitter BIOS or just output. I'll change it to missile. Thinks funny I mean I'm a dad. So Dah jokes cheesecake jokes. It's a thin line because my jokes. I go hard in the paint right right. No I appreciate it man. I liked her Monica to emissary for those that don't know an emissary always travels with the purpose of delivering a message or a gift. The cool thing is is to deny an emissary the opportunity to present what he has to bring forth would in all cultures be considered extremely impolite. So I like I like that part but juicy though I feel like Dave Chapelle major life hell for a week without the whole justice for juicy thing now I mean I'm definitely going to use that. Yeah I mean especially if you get incarcerated the justice for juicy t shirts with the big house in Texas. Oh Shit but I guess I guess juicy the White Wordy Southerner just doesn't have the same ring. I suppose gadget. Yeah it's not too far from. I'm close to Austin I'm there Kaleen your debt and you you grew up there. Yeah is this by Cooper Creek. Take Net Schultz. Part can run their Nettie sold yet. Man Well let me ask you. Is You know down the street from where I lived. There was a fucking K.. Mart I don't know if k mart is a Texas thing. It was big in my area especially when Martha Stewart endorse. Now it's not a Texas thing it it was everywhere man. It was so shitty. Oh you know how like you know how Walmart feels dirty after you walk through target. You know what I mean like Kmart was worse than Walmart was always like the worst like like they had. They had layaway in two thousand thirteen. Like who still promotes layaway. In the modern age man. I don't even know but yeah we had one K.. Mart it was you know honestly XLII. The Walmart was on the same level as a K.. Mart in Denton at lease because that was before like that was before Walmart. or at least you know back in the day that was before Walmart became the monolith it is now ours had like a ghetto. As hell little caesars inside of it and it was just it was the I I hated going to Kmart so the best to you for Kmart Radio Cam. Rt like you know to prepare for this interview. I listen to one of those tapes. Man From Nineteen Ninety Two U. K.. And if anyone is listening that it's the craziest shit ever. They are the mix tapes that played in the store attention. And this one that I checked out had everyone from Wilson Phillips that Kenny G. and then transitions into donny. Osmond George Michael. It's like the most thing I've ever heard in my life. Yeah it's a bunch of amine it's like there's a bunch of Pop music on there. There's also right elevator versions of pop songs. It's it's really interesting to listen to. I listen to all nearly sixty tapes. I think and just scouring for whatever I can in us. It's funny what you blind now. It's funny what you find like what they decided to you know put you. There was like a stream of consciousness when they were string together and it wasn't just a mix tape of like just whatever I imagine there was probably a lot of politics involved just like everything money's involved all you know big contracts attention kmart. Shoppers took the country by storm. It wasn't until later that another young recording artists took his turn copping the music recording artist. Whose name Ohs some guy who at Kmart between like eighty nine and ninety nine first off you worked at Kmart for ten years you Jack? The Mix tapes you upload them on the Internet sixteen years later later held onto them with the hopes that they would be used someday and it gets millions of downloads. How did you find out about the you? Know what. How did you even begin in to create a project from hundreds of hours of archived on? You said you was like what sixty tapes. Yes I think the dude like could up. I think who's fifty nine tapes but some of them were like four hours long because they were like reel to reel. I came across it man. I can't remember honestly because it was. It was one of those things I think doc. Av Club wrote about it in probably vice wrote about it or something everybody was posted on social media so when I heard about it immediately I was like this is perfect. How long? How long did you spend on going through all the all the tapes or like the project going through the samplers lytton interior You know spent two three days. I just listening to chop out things and putting them in folders and that kind of thing I mean I mean you you could have easily spent six months. I guess if you limit it all to like a day's work. It seems astonishing. I'm really I spent a lot of time going through music in choosing in figuring figuring out what I wanNA use and what I know. I have a little bit of foresight just from experience to know like what is going to work. What's not going to work? What might be you like? Feel like it's GonNa work but could probably end up into a trap in that kind of thing was the intention for Mark Davis to hear it and all that ever on your radar Not really but it's awesome that You know we were able to get in touch in. He enjoyed the record. I'm honestly I'm never thinking about that. You know when I'm sampling. I'm not like I hope this person. Here's this it's cool if they do but I wanna hear you know. That's that's really what it is. Well I know this is all several years old. You may or may not have told the story on record but thank you for indulging me. It's crazy the degrees of separation from a teenager at K.. Mart in the Eighties Jack and tapes ape so then twenty years later with the birth of the Internet and your interest in music it leads house used to hearing it and now you have a new take for preorder. It's almost like in section. You know in Yemen is pretty cool. And what does this guy came out of it. I got a note this came out of Naperville Illinois. You want to know how important of a city that that is the drummer from Hootie and the blowfish from there. That's that's crazy series of events and crazy You know when I'm reading the backstory while this bullshit. I didn't think any of this Kmart backstory real. You really have to investigate it Yeah it is kind of a you know. It's kind of a quirky story. You're not the only one some people I just laugh it off but it's like some people like you know. Is this story real are you. Did you make that Eh. Unlike bro you can google it now. Growing up. Your Dad's listen to Ron Miles Rudy Royston. He likes jazz. He's listening to jazz. While you're growing up was that kind of a it's kind of an influence. Push you in the music. Did you naturally gravitate towards the Qatar early age. Have that chain of events. Why Dad Plays Guitar and sings? Definitely immersed my life in music or help to in Denton There's a lot of really good musicians and a lot of really good music for being such small town. I don't ever remember wanting to do anything else. You know that kind of led to. Who Was it? LOS PATHOS POROS which is mighty ducks and Spanish That was five six years ago. Maybe like a friend and I like discovered proven Columbia and I just had to like find all of it and we. We started a band here just to basically cover that music you know. and that's what that Google. So what happened. The Joe crips Jill crips. You know you kind of just disappeared. He moved to Arkansas and yet nobody really knows man. Sometimes you got to do that as a man you gotta disappear. Appear the assumption is is that at least. I'm not expecting to see him again but he was a friend it and he really started the group you know he was the one who introduced us to prove in Columbia because you know guitars instrument choir fire depending on where you are in Texas. Maybe not so cool. But obviously it's paid off in dividends for you but was being in choir a scenario where you had eh constantly defend yourself growing up. You mean getting picked on Shit. I went to high school in Texas. Man I know I know how it is honestly. I don't know I. I guess I've got some jet I should because it was never a problem with me. Look I was in marching band. Because I didn't play sports and I needed a PE credit so basically. I played trumpet in school. Because it was quote unquote the coolest instrument accepted by my peers. So I was a tool. Perhaps I didn't have the courage to pursue something I really wanted at the same time. You Know Pete. Everybody respects music. People that can do music of any kind. You know you can connect with this any bully on that level that age though if you if you tell people that voices an instrument. I don't know if that connects you know what I mean. I think that's something that you. It's like a realization. As you get older I think really no matter what age. What's more important is just actually connecting reading with what you're saying like? I don't think that there's any particular concept that a child is not going to be open to a Okay well let's expand spend on that because it was a great experience because you actually taught at Frisco school music right so you kind of got to see firsthand. How kids Kinda respond to the things that you're are putting out there? Yeah that was a that was a good experience It definitely like honestly taught me more about stuff that wasn't about music but you know just being being able to like be there for somebody that wants to. That's interested in something you know it. It could be music or whatever really on this level but I don't know I you you know I feel like I learned just as much as my students from that experience. Is there anything that kind of jumps out. That's one of those like cliche things you hear teachers say but I guess you really can learn from tubes especially teaching for a group having to deal with like you know several different humans at the same time hit it teaches you about communication and like relationships. And because if you don't learn that immediately like you're we're GonNa get walked on is just human nature around the time after high school was at around. The Vortex is crew. was that kind of time with that kind of flourished. Vortex is actually later in college. Although it was pretty much all like people doing highschool I I was making beats. It's and homeys. We'll come back in the summer and we would do like house parties and just like no I play beats people with Brad until after a a few years you know it would get out of hand too. Many times we on a ride worldwide slipping slide in three years galaxy on magic carpets scientist until defying gravity. Free Spirited Spacey in it through Meditation Chasing visions with precision so vivid when we take must must be not make a decision was taken from the tip of the textbook got called Bernie's inches running. The evil son has been some tears coming again. Come in this little bitty like morphine fiend eminem and until they think that is which are in fake titties. Take pity on these silly bitches. Stitches with richest but vicious Mike Lynch attention is fictitious. Like this now with bringing still playing mundane and Jolson take you confide controlling meet by much right holding defiance holding me Texas the thin abruptly birthday emissary Ms. Every I mean while while Houston was busy with Swisher House Little Flip Educa- you guys had guility in the Casino Champ Solomon in Infinite Abdulah FAB dues Ricci flow also man. It was cool. Yeah that was. That was a good time man like like it was still a lot of everybody was still young and you know has some time and I'm glad we got to do that. A. New Renaissance Records. That's talking about right. Yeah and I'm glad you brought it up that you guys are all young. I mean are you up on Ricci flow like in current current times because he couldn't make music his full-time Gig so he pays the bills being a magician. Well Yeah Ritchie's now me like Definitely one of the more amazing humans. I've ever met Ricci flow. y'All check him out. Yeah I just you know. It's I get a little lump in my throat when I find people talented people. Good people can't make music fulltime. I'm glad Dec- Mark Spitz is still making music. He has a new video with guilty Simpson and he reps Dallas hard. So it's didn't even know that that's tight it's manages it warms my my heart to see people that are just doing something for a long time and it's cool if you have a day job and you WanNa Day job but if your heart is set on music and you know men of a certain age they gotta go get a job so so so real quick are you from Kaleen. I growth So you've been around here for a while. Yeah born and raised here. So if there's anything Texas rap yeah I know about it cool man I mean you know who else was big in the day where I lived fucking Josh Wink. I remember being in the Josh Swing. I mean he was huge with that argue their joint. Then I don't know if techincal Edm seen but scroll ix went and destroyed the whole genre from a mainstream perspective. So it's Kinda. I pulled back a bit now but I feel I feel like it was done before. Screw sure he will he. Just you know yeah I mean I I. I saw Josh wink somewhere. It's like I can't remember. He was like two thousand or something but it was. It was some good times. It was a different scene. That out there and you weren't always in Texas you lived in New York and one point right. Yeah moved to New York for. I was only there for like a year but I love New York. If I if I had an opportunity I would move back in. What brought you back? Because I know Texas XS can kind of be like a black hole at sexy back. Yeah for sure but ran into a a bad roommate situation. You know what I'll be real with with you I. I moved to the East Coast and I had the exact same thing and came right back but I was in Maryland. I wasn't in New York outliving with craigslist roommates. The whole year in like you China one of them went bad. So you still enjoy going to places like Jj's pizza green elephant or Andy Green Elephant they Yet Ed's it's crazy that's still around. I haven't been in years yeah. Jj's every once in a while I I do a happy hour gig on Tuesdays as a dance silver leaf on there every week. Andy's is a frequent spot Adding been the green elephant years men as crazy. It's still pillow. If I told you the the music like I can't tell you why I like it but I can recognize it. Well I think a lot of people if you say hey you know. Why do you like this song? I think a lot that people can't tell you why but they can recognize it and you're a you're a creator of your music. Every minute is a cohesive project was. I thought that went into it. There was calculated decisions into what vocals or instruments used here. Let me let me say something. Could maybe help you better clarify you take someone like miles. Miles Davis the majority would say kind of blue speaks of them. Because it's a good entry point in the jazz but yours was in a silent way it speaks to you. How do you determine PAT's in a silent way was like the entry point but it was more of a maybe almost a distraction and from what I thought was jazz because by the time I heard in a silent way? It's like a very different miles miles Davis record and and it reminded minded me actually of some electronic music especially with the drums. Just doing the same thing and let everybody just meditate on it And the five was just grave rave record as far as that record at least it was kind of a departure from jazz. In the way I felt like you know can you characterized I guess your music kind of the same way or are we or those types of albums important because your personal sociation with make it special. Yeah for sure. Yeah I mean any any record like that. I'm not gonNA say like there's certain records. I don't know that that's miles Davis best record. But it's my favorite one. You know what I mean an end it just this has to do with my own experiences with it but at the same time like it holds up. It's good it's good work in I mean and that's really that's really all I can like hope to achieve. I guess because that being my favorite miles Davis record has nothing to do with his name what they put into it or what are whatever you know. It was just right time right place you know. I think the industry side is is very lazy. They they want they want what will help their bottom line. But they're formula it's outdated that doesn't really create anything just repackages. The same sound in pretty wrapping. You pay my into the business side of what you do or do you just create releasing. What the universe take it from there? Yeah I pretty much just you know what I WANNA make. You only live once so the The Times that I have done something to make some money or whatever it's cool but really what I WANNA do. Mile Mile like goal is just to leave something behind that represents me like a full body of work whatever you know whatever that means a full body of work you know. It's I guess it'll be a full body when I'm dead. Yeah I mean that's the mindset I have with this podcast if I die. It's like oh I have our archive of these interviews. That would be my full body work. If you're an author you have all these books that would be careful bunny work so this is kind of your lane and sometimes it's just one one record so is whatever every foe body of work means. That's what I did. You can listen to it and you can expect like you can experience it but you talk talk about something that made me think like those won't talking about. I guess like the industry side. Those end of the year spotify things that flooded social media. I'm convinced Vince. That spotify built that came up with that just because they know that millions and millions of people will see it so it's basically a billboard for their brand and then they sell you on a notion. Russian that social media gives artists the power to reach their audience without a label. But it's it's all just Kinda. I Dunno industry stuff. Well it's the name of the game we now I mean and it's unfortunate but it works. Everybody puts shit up. They're just pushing people's buttons. You know I want to. You know when People WanNa to put those up because it's an opportunity to like you know talk about it's a campaign you know for their brand and spotify has found a way to co OPS. That is it smart. It's smartest foot definitely in in rare careers in the music business this is further defined by altruism. Like when how shoes reaches out to you. That was all organic flew out to Texas to meet you all soundcloud track through Jerry true. Yeah how shoes is a rare. Do Shadow tap shoes. I love stories like that. Like did you know that. After serving a brief jail jail bid in the late ninety s there was a producer. Name the forty five king and he needed to make some money goes jail so he was shopping shopping his beats to all these people. I don't think anybody was was buying what he was selling so one day he was sitting on his on his bed because he was doing his bills and a trailer for the film sliding doors comes on. TV would die those thank you playing in the background. And he was so enamored by her vocals. The song directly off the TV brought it to his studio looped it added drums. And somehow it made its way into eminem and it became stand and you can be in your boxer shorts with Cheeto dust on your shirt of watching judge. Judy and the next thing you know the Aha moment it can change. Your Life can happen so I I love it when things like that. Kind of come into place. The best ideas come with cheeto dust. Some boxers I mean and I didn't even know soundcloud relevant but you were smart enough to like you know I got some Lucy's let me put it up there. Well actually. That was the timber joint house shoes. Got It at a good time because that was definitely a joint that I put up just very briefly. The original release of timber was hidden on my website. The whole point of the of the project was to be like you know if a tree falls in the forest and nobody years. It doesn't make a sound so I wanted to make an album. That was like that and hide it on my website so I basically made like is basically like a riddle you know you had to solve the riddle to get to the link to download it but ten percent of the people would solve the riddle so it would every once in a while I would put it up on soundcloud soundcloud or somewhere to just kind of you know revive interest but it was. It was fun like I eventually. You know obviously Z.. We're putting it all out now but it was just you know here in their people would get to hear it from a business standpoint though like man. Hey in order to hear my music Zik you've got to solve the Da Vinci Code to get to it. I don't know if that's advantageous. I guess it does reveal who your true fans are. Yeah and it's not even about it's like you know I just feel like it's too easy to get music now. Isn't that the point. Now is not the point I feel like looking looking for it and and getting it like finding the music like right now. People feel like it's so easy to discover whoever but they're dependent endon on these algorithms. And you know that's shaping their musical path in a certain way and I don't think people are thinking in about that Let's just say I wanNA take my hard earned money. I WANNA support you. I go to fat beats and I pre- or your album but I'm the three hundred and first customer out. Oh well your vitals. Limited to three hundred now. I can't get your music is what's what's the balancing act on that. Well if somebody wants to get my music they can get my music. It's the twenty first century like there's nothing stopping anybody from getting anything so I'm not really I don't don't feel like I just want to hear some more music like I just feel like it's like you know people are like I can get music anywhere you know for free. I don't know the way that we release music. I feel like needs to be revolution so I'm just trying to explore that you know how people create I know. Jd When R.. J. diller would hear or something he would take his headphones off. Closes is and start nodding to himself beat boxing little drum patterns like I think sometimes headphones can get in the way when you're creating music to food. ooh Yeah honestly. I don't. I don't really like using headphones When I'm making beats but you know I know people that do it and it's all just what you used to think it molds to the person so I guess the last thing I wanted to bring it was just the actual tape itself because timber the full vision of that project like you said it? I like from two years ago and now here it is at present day. So it's it's kind of a full circle project But tell the people about yet. It's pretty cool. So yes the release. The you know secret release on the website was just like the a side and I I had always intended on doing a b side to you but you know when how shoes hit me up and said I need a B side for it. It was like yeah tight. I'm GonNa do that but obviously I had I had had just finished the Kmart project at that point so I sent it to him. So this is kind of the record that was made before and after K. Mart Shoppers. So it's Kinda the crazy so when you're when you're hearing it if you buy this record and you hear it's Kinda like two mindsets went into this kind of the the Jesse from two thousand Sixteen Tina them now for sure. Yeah I like how it turned out like that too. We we even made like the cover. And the back cover correlate with that too You'll see the Atlanta record comes out but it's definitely like two different universes on each side some property You love that man. So ten years ago you were putting out music payroll price and now you're art will never be discounted so unless you got a time machine pay this man so with that said I know your time is valuable and I really appreciate you sharing these gills myself and my audience man so thanks for being here for sure thank you good to hear from Texas. That's right. Do you remember that before the Kappa Mix tapes and all that in high school and northside ten and all that or is that just a coline Houston thing. 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Susan Powell

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40:48 min | 1 year ago

Susan Powell

"Due to the graphic nature of this episode listener discretion is advised. This episode includes discussions of emotional abuse child pornography and murder that some people may find offensive. We advise extreme caution for children under thirteen on December. Sixth two thousand nine snow fell lightly on the roof of Susan and Josh Powell's home in suburban West Valley City Utah just eleven miles outside of Salt Lake City. Twenty eight year old. Susan was exhausted or two. Young boys were running around the house and she was struggling to keep up. His wasn't the life she dreamed of but it was the one she had. Susan had spent the last few hours knitting blankets for her two sons. The one for her oldest Charlie had come out fine but the other for two year. Old Brayden was a disaster. Luckily she knew the perfect person to call for how it was early evening. When her friend? Giovanna owings came over. Susan wasn't feeling well and appreciated Giovanna 's willingness to help out as they make progress on the blanket Susan's husband. Josh went into the kitchen to prepare dinner when they all sat down to eat. Giovanna thought it was sweet. That Josh Served Susan her food first but she could tell. There was some tension. Nevertheless she held her tongue. Susan's marriage was none of her business. After dinner they kept working on the blanket but Susan was getting more tired with each passing minute soon. She excused herself claiming she felt tired and was going to lie down. Giovanna stayed help finish the blanket but at five thirty PM. Josh said he and the kids were going out sledding. She took it as her cue to leave and glanced back toward the bedroom. She hoped Susan would feel better soon. But that wouldn't be the case by the next morning the entire family was missing and Susan would never be found. Welcome to gone a podcast original molly. And I'm Richard every other Monday. We examined mysterious disappearances and the theories they spawned from the Amber Room to Michael Rockefeller Picasso paintings to the entrusting language the roanoke colony to the lost Russian cosmonauts. If it's gone we're looking for it. You can find all episodes have gone and all other are cast. Originals for free on spotify. Or wherever. You LISTEN TO PODCASTS. To Stream Gone Freon spotify. Just open the APP and type gone in the search bar at podcast cast. We're grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network? And if you enjoyed today's episode the best way to help us is to leave a five star review. Wherever you're listening. It really does help today. We're looking into the disappearance of Susan Powell. A mother of two from a quiet suburb outside of Salt Lake. City UTAH. Despite the Powell families picture-perfect exterior the in crisis after years of marital strife Susan vanished on the evening of December. Sixth two thousand nine. Two theories have emerged to explain what might have happened to her. Some believe that Susan may have dropped everything and run away with the lover others think that Susan never had a chance to leave because her jealous husband Josh murder. Susan Cox was a precocious ten year old. When her parents moved to the suburbs of Tacoma Washington in nineteen ninety one she was the third of four girls and her parents were used to having their patients tested the household as a whole was incredibly loving. There were also deeply religious and regularly attended a local Mormon temple. Susan's faith became a cornerstone of her life and dictated many of her decisions. She and her three sisters often played music and saying during Church Services. Her happy supportive. Upbringing helped Susan grow into confident. Bubbly Young Woman. She was extremely outgoing and her classmates knew her for her great sense of humor. She was popular and widely liked by the time she started high school. Susan had planned out her entire life. She was going to marry the perfect Mormon guy and open up a business with her sisters. A beauty parlour groomer hybrid where pet owners and their animals could both get their hair done. They were going to call it. Beauty and your beast. It was a fun youthful dream as Susan. Got Older or goals became more grounded. But she never let go of her love of the beauty industry when she was eighteen. A local cosmetology school offered her a scholarship and she sees the opportunity when Susan graduated from High School in two thousand. Her Future was looking bright. She dove headfirst into her classes at beauty school. She was often spotted around town in her car. Upon closer inspection passersby would notice a pile of practice mannequin heads strewn across the back seat. Susan's friends were always sporting new hairdos. Susan had styled. While Susan worked hard in school she was still completely committed to the church and she was still looking for a future. Mormon husband which was incredibly important in her religion. The summer after she graduated high school she began to attend singles functions. That are local temple there. Eighteen year old. Susan met twenty-three-year-old Josh Powell. It wasn't love at first sight when he invited her to a dinner party at his apartment she turned him down however a few weeks later. Susan changed her mind and took him up on the offer. Maybe they were more people. She could meet their but surprisingly at the party. She found herself drawn to Josh. He was a little Dorky but she liked his dry sense of humor. He was different from the boys she'd met in high school. He seemed more adult. Sure he'd never gone on his mission which was considered a pre Iraq for a good Mormon husband but he was in church now so Susan believed his faith was pure class. Josh was enrolled in the business program at the University of Washington Tacoma which meant he was thinking of the future. She decided to stay late after one of his dinner parties to help him clean up and wound up staying over. They talked early into the next morning falling asleep while whispering secrets to one another. He told her his parents divorced when he'd been a teenager. And the turbulent home. He'd grown up in. He wanted a tough line with his dad was not only agnostic but staunchly. Anti Mormon citizens sympathized with Josh's struggles and admired his appearance commitment to the faith. They soon began to date. After only two months Josh proposed to Susan and she said Yes while it may have seemed fast to those outside of the community too many Mormons. It isn't unusual. The couple was married in a small ceremony at the Portland Oregon Temple in April. Two Thousand One shortly after the wedding. They decided to move in with Josh's father. Steve Powell the couple one to save money after all Josh needed to pay off his student loans however the life they found in Steve's home was less than ideal the house was crowded several of Joshua's siblings were living there with their families. To and Josh's Dad was odd. He often had his video camera on hand and recorded everything. He came across even the most private moments and often without permission. That wasn't the only source of frustration. Citizens started to feel pressure. Put Her dreams on hold. Josh was close to graduating with his bachelors and neither knew where they go after he got his degree. If he found a job out of state she didn't know if she could finish beauty school but Susan told herself didn't matter she loved Josh so she was okay waiting for him to make the big decisions about their lives in two thousand two. Josh graduated from the University of Washington Tacoma with a business degree it was joyous time for both his hard work. It paid off and they were going to really start their life together but Joshua's various business plans never panned out. He lacked follow through. He got an entry level job. But they stayed at Steve's House Josh couldn't afford to pay off his loans and make rent and things were own getting stranger at home. Stephen taken an odd liking to his daughter-in-law he regularly made awkward comments about Susan's body. She acted as if nothing was happening. Only shrugging them off. Hoping he'd get the hint but Steve Only escalated his attention. Susan could tell someone was going through her laundry sometimes. Her underwear would go missing. She tried to ignore it. It might have been one of her young nephews just playing around but she could never shake the thought that it could have been Steve. Two in two thousand and three things came to ahead. Josh had considered becoming a commercial truck driver and Susan went along with him to a practice class for moral support. She was waiting for Josh's class to finish when Steve called and offered to drive her home. She agreed but on the road. He professed his love for her. Susan was floored but she kept her cool. She laughed off his advances as nothing more than a joke and kept quiet for the rest of the ride when they got home. Susan went to her room and waited for Josh when he finally got back. She told him they needed to leave. It was non-negotiable. There were only a few places they could afford to go one being Salt Lake City. Where one of Josh's sisters lived. They packed everything and left on Christmas. Eve thousand three for a year. The couple lived with Josh's sister then in two thousand four. They bought their own home. Initially Susan. Hope. This was a fresh start. But their marriage only went downhill. Josh couldn't hold down a job and Susan had to pick up his slack. She gave up her dream of her own does Matala she business accepting a job at wellsfargo. Josh was frustrated by the turn their lives and taken and stopped attending church. Susan was even more disappointed in his lack of faith. But just as the mirrored seemed unsalvageable. She discovered she was pregnant. Josh seemed really excited to be a father so he and Susan committed to making things work in two thousand five. Susan gave birth to their first son. Charley and then two years later Raden came into their lives. Josh and Susan adored the boys unconditionally but their love for one another was routinely tested. Josh was increasingly controlling. He Criticize Susan for tithing or giving ten percent of her earnings to the church. She in turn became disappointed in his lack of business sense. This was never more apparent than the time he decided to become an independent real estate agent. He'd never sold a piece of property before but he signed a contract with the yellow pages for over eighty thousand dollars worth of advertisements. He quickly lost interest in the idea and stopped paying for the ADS. It didn't take long for yellow pages to file a lawsuit. Susan worked tirelessly to bring in enough money to afford groceries for her family and work off Josh's debts. She was still a dreamer but her dreams were a lot smaller now. She just wanted to be able to hold everything together. Her life was a far cry from what she thought it would be when she was eighteen. By two thousand eight their relationship wasn't shambles. She became increasingly worried that he would do something rash but she stuck with him because of her unwavering Mormon faith in the LDS church. A marriage is eternal and unbreakable even if the couple legally divorces God put Josh in her life for a reason and she wanted her kids to have a conventional family and either way she couldn't just leave. She knew Josh would do anything to keep the boys with him. She didn't seriously think he'd ever hurt his sons but she wasn't sure he'd be so protective of her. Just in case in two thousand eight she wrote a letter and put it in a safety deposit box. She told her co worker that if anything happened to her even if it looked like it was an accident. Josh had probably done something she told them the letter would explain everything. Eighteen months later she vanished coming up the day Susan disappeared. Hi It's molly. I'm so excited for you to check out the new podcast original series daily quote. If you haven't had a chance to hear it yet daily quote is two to three minute. Podcast meant to inspire uplift and motivate your day every day hosted by the extremely talented Cape Leonard daily quote not only shares a meaningful quote from history but also gives you the context in meaning behind it and right now. I'm thrilled to be able to share today's quote with you. It's by the American poet singer and civil rights activists my Angelo. If you enjoy this episode make sure to follow daily quote free on spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Good morning and welcome to daily quote. A podcast original. I'm Kate Leonard. Today's quote is from award winning author poet and Civil Rights Activist Maya Angelo. She said have enough courage to trust. Love One more time and one more time. Maya Angelou is best known for her. Nineteen sixty-nine Memoir. I know why the caged bird sings. It made history as a first bestselling work of nonfiction by a black American woman. Hers is a story of immense strength born in segregated. Saint Louis Missouri. Maya could have easily grown to hate those who oppressed her. She could have allowed bitterness to define her outlook limit her future instead. She chose to love herself and allowed that love to validate her ambitions. She became an actress and performer. A leader in the civil rights movement and an award winning Memoir Ist and poet. It takes radical courage to love ourselves. We will not always succeed. We may feel discouraged when our go unmet or relationship breaks but if we can have the courage to show ourselves compassion we will always be able to begin again this morning. Take a moment to honor the things you cherish about yourself. Acknowledge the progress. You have made on your journey of self discovery. You deserve to fall madly in love with the person you are. And the person you'll become daily quote is a daily podcast. Follow on spotify to make it part of your morning routine and let it inform the rest of your day. Daily quote is a podcast original. If you're listening on spotify you can share this quote with your friends on social by tapping the three dots in the top right corner of the episode. Page scrolling down to share and selecting your sharing option of choice. Remember you can find new paths to positively three hundred sixty five days a year followed daily quote free on spotify or wherever you get your podcast now. Back to the story. Susan and Josh Powell had been married since two thousand and had two young boys Charlie and Britain but their life in suburban Salt Lake City was anything but ideal. Josh was increasingly controlling. But Susan didn't feel like she could leave her marriage. They were all last seen together on the evening of December. Sixth two thousand nine by a neighbor who was helping Susan Nigga blanket the next morning Monday December seven daycare owner. Debbie Caldwell noted that Charlie and Brayden Powell didn't check in their usual time. She called Susan but didn't get an answer. The boys absence was unusual and Susan ignoring her phone even more so debbie hopped into her car to visit. Susan at home. They've been dusting of snow the night before and Moore was on. Its Way. The roads were a little slack. Nothing UNUSUAL FOR UTAH. It was bitterly cold as debbie stepped out of her car. She couldn't see that anyone was home but it was hard to tell from the street. Debbie walked up to the door and knocked no answer. She Tried Josh's phone but the results were the same. She appeared in the window but couldn't see anything. Debbie was getting worried only a few weeks before another local family had been killed by carbon monoxide poisoning in their home. She hoped the Powell's had met the same fate. Debbie called Joshua's sister Jennifer to see if she knew anything. Jennifer was just as concerned as Debbie. When she heard the boys hadn't shown up for daycare they decided to call the police and ask for a welfare check less than an hour later. A squad car. Roll down the street and pulled into the driveway. The officer was polite and agreed to take a look around. He glanced through the window but couldn't see anything. He has Jennifer if you had permission to enter the premises in. She granted it. The patrolman broke a window and climbed into the House then. He came around and unlocked the door for Debbie and Jennifer. The first thing they noticed was music. It came from a stereo in the living room. As did the sound of a box fan humming by the couch. The Fan was pointed at a damn spot on the carpet and furniture. Something had been cleaned up since it was still slightly wet. He knew the family hadn't been gone long. They called out for the Powell's no answer. The officer checked each of the bedrooms. Nobody was home but they noted a few clues. Susan's purse was on the cabinet in the hallway and when they went to check the garage. The mini van was missing Jennifer new. The Powell's wouldn't just leave town without telling her first and Susan definitely wouldn't leave her purse behind. They continued to phone. Josh Hoping He'd answer and tell them that was fine. Jennifer couldn't bear to wait around in the eerily empty house. She went home where the hours stretched on still no word from her brother and his family while the clock ticked the police department put together a search team. A few hours later lead detective. Ls Maxwell arrived the Powell residents as he stepped out of the patrol car. He noticed a group of neighbors gathered outside. The neighbors. Were happy to talk to the detective. All defending Susan. She would never have done anything like this without telling them I. Her boys were her world and she wouldn't just take off disrupting their schedules. Josh on the other hand was a different story he was impulsive. The neighbors hoped that this was just another one of Josh's last minute trips that he'd simply convinced Susan in the boys to come along. They probably come home soon. Meanwhile word of the Powell's disappearance was spreading at three PM Giovanna owning the last person to see Susan alive got wind of the gossip. Her son was home from school and decided to call Josh to his utter shock. Josh answered panicked her son Hung Up. Giovanna grabbed his phone and called back. It rang rang and rang. When suddenly there was a click and meek answer it was Josh. Giovanna was square. Confirm with their questions. Where was he? Did he have the boys with him? Where was Susan? When was he coming home? He should know the police were looking for him. Joshes answers came slowly and he stammered through slightly confused. He had his sons and they were going to be back soon despite Yavuz please. He quickly hung up. It was a relief to know Charlie in Brayden were safe but Giovanna couldn't shake nagging feeling deep inside that all of the problems were just beginning two hours later. Josh called his sister Jennifer she answered but like Giovanna. She was concerned by his tone. He didn't give a concrete nation for where he'd gone and he hung up abruptly after getting off the phone. Jennifer raced over to the Powell House to wait for Josh there. She found detective Ellis Maxwell and filled him in the detective immediately called Josh from her phone and told him he needed to come home now at six forty pm. Josh drove up the street past the police cars and onlookers before he pulled into his driveway. Detective Maxwell was the first one to make it to the car from the driver's seat. Josh only stared at him blankly. It seemed that he didn't care that so many people were looking for him. Maxwell saw the two children in the back. But there was no sign of Josh's wife Susan however the detective noticed her phone on the passenger seat. He asked the Josh where his wife was. But Josh said that he had no idea he'd last seen her the night before but he'd been gone all day. He taken the boys out on a camping trip. That answer made little sense. Why would josh go out camping in the middle of the night with his two young sons? And why would he take his wife cellphone on top of that? It had been Sunday evening. Just a few hours before Josh was supposed to go to work and it was snowing. Maxwell told Josh that he needed to come to the police station for questioning. Josh agreed and trailed Maxwell's car he let the investigators know that he would help them in any way that he could but he was adamant that he hadn't seen Susan's since the night before at the police station. Josh was taken into a small room there. Maxwell asked Josh if he had any idea where Susan could be. Josh said he simply had no idea. Maxwell kept on questioning. Josh gave shifty answers. He claimed he'd gone to a place called Simpson Springs campground to try out some new camping equipment. He said he'd simply lost track of time thinking. It was Saturday instead of Sunday drew maxwell. Josh seemed extremely uninterested in helping locate Susan. He didn't show any sense of urgency regarding her disappearance. He just kept repeating that. He didn't know why she'd left. Everything about their marriage had seemed fine to him. It was frustrating. But there was only so much they could do. Maxwell let Josh go after their interrogation after all he hadn't been accused of anything at nine PM on December seventh. Two thousand nine. Josh Powell drove home again and parked his van. Neighbors later reported that they saw the light in the garage all night long and heard the sounds of cleaning by the next morning word. Got Out that. A suburban woman had gone missing under mysterious circumstances. The local news station followed the case closely two days later on December ninth. Detectives were back at the Powell residence. This time with a search warrant they were going to see if they could find any new information that could lead them to Susan in the living room by the Fan. They came across a few droplets of blood on the bottom half of the wall. They swabbed these incent them back to a lab for tests. The carpet gave up no clues. It had been thoroughly cleaned and didn't have any traces of blood. The van was completely cleaned out. Glaze were only able to find the camping supplies. That Josh had claimed he was testing the next day. The investigators drove out to Simpson's springs were. Josh claimed he'd gone with his two boys. But the harsh landscape offered no clues it had been snowing for the past three days and any tracks that could have been left were obscured. It was a vast desolate wilderness. And the police were unable to locate his supposed- campsite to an outsider. Looking in it appeared. Susan had been killed and Josh was prime suspect. His later behavior only made things worse. Josh quit his job. After Susan disappeared then pulled his two sons at daycare and on December fourteenth. He hired a lawyer claiming he was tired of being badgered authorities. Ten days later on December twenty four. Th Josh was publicly named a person of interest in Susan's disappearance it was the best that the West Valley Police Department could do. After all there was still no physical evidence. Even so suspicion was growing in the community and Josh wanted out of Salt Lake City from the sideways glances in the grocery store to the looks of judgment from his neighbors. He couldn't take it on January. Sixth Two thousand ten. Josh packed up his belongings and headed back to Washington. The police were powerless to stop him a month. After his wife went missing he too was gone and the moment he left. He stopped helping authorities altogether. The chances of finding Susan Alive diminish coming up theories on what happened to Susan. Was she a runaway in love or a victim of a tragedy. Now back to the story it had been. Nearly a year's in Susan Powell disappeared on December. Sixth two thousand nine. The authorities were fairly certain that she'd been murdered but they had no physical evidence to prove it. Their main person of interest Susan's husband. Josh Powell was hundreds of miles away. He and his two boys were living in Puyallup. Washington was the Josh's father Steve. He hadn't cooperated with the investigation since he left Utah. Meanwhile Josh and his son settled in with Steve. It had been six years since Josh's father hit on his wife causing the couple to move away but josh felt perfectly at home with Steve even better. The police attention wasn't so intense in Washington and out of the spotlight. Josh could look after his boys without judgment. Meanwhile he and Steve Tried to answer the accusations with their own version of events. They had a theory and they were going to let the media know about it. Josh and Steve said that Susan had run away to be with another man named Stephen. Coacher coacher was a thirty year old from Saint George a town in southwest Utah. They claim that he'd gone missing around the same time as Susan. Steve and Josh had Susan's diaries and claim that this wasn't the first time she lusted. After another man. In fact they said that Susan and coacher had been entangled in extramarital affair. Supposedly Susan had left to right after Josh wink camping with the boys she met up with coacher and they flew away together to Brazil coach. I was familiar with the country since he served as mission there the were shocking and completely out of character for Susan. It's nearly impossible to analyze this theory. Josh didn't offer any evidence to suggest that Susan had ever even met Stephen Coacher. In fact phone records showed that there was never any contact between the two of them coach. You're also had gone missing on December thirteenth. Two thousand nine almost a full week after Susan on top of that while he was from Utah. He'd gone missing in Henderson. Nevada local security cameras captured the last time. Coacher was seen the video showed him walking down a cul de sac in Nevada alone too many including Susan's parents. It seemed Josh was using this alleged affair to deflect attention away from himself and he'd only want to create red herrings because he was responsible for Susan's disappearance Susan's family and the local authorities long suspected that he'd murdered his wife. Even Susan herself testified to that possibility after her disappearance. The police located her safety deposit. Box the one. She told her co worker about inside was a videotape and a handwritten letter in the letter. She wrote her marital problems with Josh. And how she feared for her life if anything happened to her. She insisted that it would be Joshua's fault of you of her friends told authorities that before she vanished. Susan had given Josh an ultimatum. If they didn't fix their marriage she'd leave with the boys in the spring. Allegedly Josh couldn't deal with that possibility. Instead he killed Susan and left her body somewhere out in the Utah Desert. The evidence seemed to support this theory. A lab confirmed that the blood found on the homes wall was Susan's police. Also discovered that Josh had cashed out Susan's retirement fund and had placed a one point five million dollar life insurance policy on her where he was the sole beneficiary. However all of this still wasn't enough to charge Josh. Police didn't have a weapon. Or even any conclusive evidence that Susan was dead. The best lead they had was the blood but Susan have lived in her home for years. It wasn't unheard of for a trace amount of blood to have been splattered on the wall after a minor cut and with two small children spills on the carpet and couch were par for the course. Answers were allusive for detective. Maxwell and the West Valley Police Department with Josh. Out of the State. It was even harder to conduct an investigation. As the years passed they were unable to Locate Susan. Alive or dead since they couldn't find her. It was impossible to tie any evidence back to Josh. Coacher or anyone else but the PAO family saga was far from over in September. Two Thousand Eleven Police in Utah uncovered a suspected burial site in the middle of the desert officials in Washington rated Steve Pals home. He had a strong alibi for the night of her disappearance but they hope they'd find some kind of evidence awesomely. Something Josh had brought with him when he moved from Utah Instead. They found countless hard drives full of elicit videos and images many involve minors in some have been recorded by Steve. The police also found old videos of Steve Stocking Susan without her knowledge on September. Twenty Third Two Thousand Eleven Steve Powell was arrested on charges of child pornography and voyeurism. Nothing they found in Steve's home could be used to explain Susan's case and the search in the desert also turned up. Nothing but josh still felt the heat. The media attention in both states was back on the Powell family. Additionally Steve was no longer allowed to live with minors which meant Josh and his two sons needed to move. Josh claimed that he'd found a place to live but the court soon figured out that he was lying he was still residing with his dad. Custody was handed over to Susan's parents. Chuck and Judy. But Josh wasn't going to take the ruling lying down he went to the courts to fight to get his kids back after all. He hadn't been convicted of a crime and the government. Just take his sons away. The judge ordered Josh to go get psychological evaluations to see if he was fit to be the boy's guardian. In the meantime he was given supervised visitation rights. Josh hated that his boys weren't with him full time but he always treasured the hours they spent together. He settled into his new normal as best he could and he continued to resist the police's efforts to find Susan. By the time February. Two thousand twelve game around. She'd been gone for over two years and the case was cold. Authorities had discussed charging Josh for the crime but they couldn't find any substantial evidence to ensure conviction. They were helpless however they didn't let Josh note this publicly. He was still a person of interest and with more searches in the desert planned. They wanted Josh to sweat. He professed his innocence to anyone who asked he told them all he wanted to do was move on with his life so that he could raise his boys right. He was convinced that his sons were being corrupted into thinking he was a monster he couldn't bear to see them turned against him and to dark plan began to form well. Josh never admitted to any wrongdoing and Susan's disappearance his actions on February fifth. Two Thousand Twelve painted a grim picture of what he was capable of that morning. A social worker pulled up to Joshua's newly rented house for a supervised visit Charlie in Brayden. We're looking forward to spending time with their dad. As the car came to a stop they bounded out ahead of the social worker. She ambled up behind. The Ms Josh stood in the entrance. The two boys ran inside but before she could get there. The door slammed shut. It was locked she naught but Josh didn't open up. She immediately called nine. One one minutes later Josh's lawyer received an email with no subject line from Josh. The message was short. I'm sorry goodbye outside of his house. The social worker was frantic. She didn't know what Josh was planning on what he was capable love. No one was there to help and they wouldn't be for several minutes a moment later there was a violent blast and the house was engulfed in flames. It had blown up by the time the authorities arrived. The inferno was raging. Nothing to be done once. The fire was extinguished. Investigators surveyed the home. The bodies of Josh and his boys were found in the rubble. He'd intentionally set the fire and had attacked his two sons with a hatchet before the fumes got to them. The thin veil of presumed innocence could no longer protect him. The young family whose future had once seemed so bright came to an end. Because of Josh Powell given Josh's murderer of his children it seems almost like a foregone conclusion. That Josh had a hand in Susan's disappearance. His accounts of the night in questions seem incredibly suspect in his actions. Two years later proved that he was capable. But there's still no hard evidence to prove Josh Killed Susan or even that she's dead to this day. Susan Powell remains a missing person. No one has ever been charged with her disappearance. Thanks again for tuning into gone. We'll be back next week. Was a short gone. Bide on spotify and back everywhere else the week after you can find more episodes of gone and all other park has two originals for free on spotify. Not only the spotify already. Have all of your favorite music but now spotify is making it easy for you to enjoy. All of your favorite podcast originals. Like gone for free from your phone. Desktop or smart speaker to stream gone on spotify. Just open the APP and type in the search bar and don't forget to follow us on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at broadcast network. We'll see next time. 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MURDERED: Tamika Huston

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41:48 min | 11 months ago

MURDERED: Tamika Huston

"Crime junkies you're always asking britain i for recommendations. What are we watching. What are we reading. Well i'll let you in on a little secret book of the month club. Their mission is to promote new and emerging authors and help readers discover books. They love and i'm telling you there is always a good mystery novel in there. I am currently deep into night. Swim which i got from the book club which is about a podcast or trying to solve an old murder. Shocker love it right. Book of the month is risk free. You can skip any month anytime and you will not be charged and you can get your first book for just nine ninety nine with code crime junkie head to book of the month dot com to check out their other picks and use code crown junkie to get your first book for nine ninety nine high crime junkies if you are a fan of our show. Full body chills. I have some great news. Thanks to a partnership with stitcher premium. We were able to make ten more full. Episodes releasing weekly on deter premium. Just go to stitcher dot com slash premium and sign up with the promo code chills for a free month of stitcher premium. You'll get access to weekly releases of ten more full body. Chills episodes ad free and a ton of other great shows to that stitcher dot com slash premium. Promo code chills high crime junkies. I'm your host ashley flowers. And i'm bread and the story i want to tell you today is all about a young woman whose mysterious disappearance baffled police for months before proving that no clue is ever chew small because even the tiniest little detail can wind up holding the key to justice. This is the story of topeka houston In the summer of two thousand four in spartanburg south carolina a young woman named to make a houston is at a crossroads in her life. She's twenty four years old. She's recently quit her job. Waitressing cracker barrel for something. Bigger you know to make a loves seeing she actually had gone down to atlanta georgia and try out for american idol at one point but yeah but she didn't make it so her family was encouraging her to think about maybe going back to school to finish her degree. Now some sources. I read said she was actually already in nursing school but either way she's at the point where she's just ready to make a change adding to this desire to kind of turn things around to meek ahead just recently gotten out of a long term relationship a couple months back after things with her ex boyfriend. This guy named toronto fell apart. We did you say to rants. Do you mean terence. so it's interesting that you say this. His name is spelt terrence. But in a lot of the source material i found some people said terrence. Some people said tehran's and the people who said tarantula were like to make his family and friends and people very close to the case so people who would know versus like a random newscaster random news. Colleague i've also heard police parents. I'm just going to go with with that pronunciation. Since that's what came from the people closest to the victim. Okay so things with tehran's really fell apart. And i mean like really fell apart but luckily for to mika. She's got a really good support system to lean on. She super close to her family all along the east coast. She visit them all the time and she also has pit bull puppet named macy. Who's like everything to her. She's like her child their best friends and i'm sure having macy makes his house feel less lonely and feel safe now that she's moved out on her own again right. So anyways around the middle of june to make aunt rebecca notices. Like you know what. I haven't heard from to mika in a couple of weeks and at first. Rebecca isn't super worried about it. Because according to andy paris's reporting in the greenville news since to make lives alone. It's not that weird for them not to hear from her for this long like i mean. I don't even talk to my parents every day. I certainly don't talk to my aunt's hardly ever. Oh yeah definitely and on top of that. Like sometimes to meek is known to just take off spontaneously to go. Stay with friends or family for a couple of weeks. I mean that's just kind of normal for her so at first when she's like i haven't heard from her. She thinks like she's probably someone's house. No big deal but as the days go on her family all realizes that it's not just rebecca who hasn't heard from to meco. Nobody has not her relatives her friends and so finally on june fourteenth rebecca calls the spark burke police to report to make a missing when the police out to to me. 'cause house to do a wellness check. Her car is gone and no one's there to answer the door now. The front door is locked and they wind up having to go through an open window when they get inside. It's interesting because they don't find any sign of forced entry to to make his house. There's no sign of a struggle but there are things there that alert police that something is up because they do find her cell phone they find some uncapped paychecks from her old job at cracker barrel. They find her driver's license which is all already like super questionable. You wouldn't leave for a long time without this stuff right. But that's nothing compared to police finding to migas dog macy alone and in serious distress. And we're not like oh. This dog has been locked in the house for a day or two. It was clear that the dog had been left there for a couple of weeks more. Because there's like feces all over the place and this is like so hard to even get out but just like show you the magnitude of what they were seeing. Macy had actually given birth to a litter of puppies and macy was so starved that she actually had to eat some of her own puppies and sadly only one of the puppies was still alive. By the time anyone got there to check. So i mean. I think it's important to say it's it's hard to hear but for anyone who has in their life like i think that's like a sign you would never would never leave chug. Yeah i like a couple of hours let alone a day by himself. Yeah weeks sure sign. Something is wrong and police knew how much to make a loved her dog so she's not someone who would run off carelessly. She didn't have like a substance abuse problem and just like didn't care or she like wasn't mean to animals like she loved this thing and for ignoring everything else for her to like. Leave this dog in that kind of state. The police knew right away. Something is terribly wrong so with that in mind. Law enforcement put out an alert for her car. They get warrants to check out her bank records her cell phone activity and they also start questioning. People like around who knew her would have been with her to kind of timeline of what to make a might have been doing and more importantly where she might be at the same time. Her family puts up a ton of missing person posters. All over town with her pictures. And they even offer oprah ward according to abc news. Law enforcement learns that no one has seen or heard from meco since june second when she was last at a friend's house and this is almost two weeks before her aunt reported her missing. Her friend says that the last time she saw tamika to meek ahead gotten a call and someone came to pick her up but the friend didn't get a look at the person or see the car or even get a name as to. Who was that picked her up around the same time. Police are also learning some very disturbing things about to us. Ex-boyfriend to rance. You see they had broken up back in march after to meek accused him of domestic violence and she pressed charges to rant was actually supposed to stand trial for it that summer but now that to me is missing. The trial gets postponed. So this is sending all sorts of red flags for police. Yeah and i think we've talked about it before that when victims of domestic violence leave their abuser. It's actually the most dangerous part of the abusive situation. Because of the links that abusers go to to keep their control over the victim. Oh yeah i mean these people can get scary when they feel like their powers threatened and so with this in mind. Police know that they need to talk to him but when they questioned to rant about to. Mika says he doesn't know anything about her disappearance or where she might be. of course he would say that. Well here's the thing though. So he actually is pretty candid about the whole domestic violence stuff when police interview him. So it's not like he's saying they had a great relationship like he straight up admits that he punched her now granted he likes of course follows with like the classic like it was a one time thing. It never happened before the lines. You know people here all the time from abusers so it's not like tarantulas doing himself any favors here and he's still like the first person they're looking at this point like he still looks better than any other suspect but regardless of their suspicions. Police don't have shred of physical evidence to link him to make his disappearance. I mean they still at this point. Don't even one hundred percent know that a crime has been committed yet. There's nobody there's no ply. What about her phone records and bing account music. They've gotten warrants for those things right. They did but they weren't helpful. None of it has been touched. According to the fatal attraction episode about this story called tragic rebound police learned that there's been zero activity onto migas phone and the last time she used her debit card was two days before she went missing wall. Police are looking for leads to meet us. Aunt rebecca. who's the person who report her. Missing is throwing all of her. Pr connections at trying to get media attention for her niece and at i like it works. Really well locally. She's able to get coverage in all these newspapers and hold media events right there in spartanburg but they don't get a ton of traction nationally so while we're is advocating police decide to diversify their search a little so in addition to searching to me. 'cause records law enforcement is also going through jane doe reports in local hospitals to see if anyone matches to me 'cause description they don't get any hits from the hospitals but they do get this weird like a little bit of a leap because what they decide to do. 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There's nothing in the lake and not just nothing belonging to to mita. There's nothing belonging to any woman that this caller was talking about having been putting the lake k. So what was this. Call just like a hoax. I don't know the caller didn't give a name. And i wasn't able to find out if it ever got traced or or what happened with this. Basically all the i can find relations to cases like it wasn't related to her the end but just then when investigators are starting to wonder if basically have to start back from square one they get a new tip that changes everything on june twentieth about a week after two meek is reported missing the spartan police get a call from a woman who says she knows where they can find to make us car. What yeah she says at the barksdale apartments which is across town from to meek his house and when police get out there in look there it is a black nineteen ninety one honda. Crx just like they're looking for residents at the barksdale. Say the car's been there for about three weeks right in line with went to make disappear but they tell police that the only started to pay attention after they heard that she'd gone missing on the news so police ended up confirming. It doesn't just look like her car. Yes this is her car and so they start combing it for clues. There's no sign of a struggle. It doesn't look ransacked her anything. The only bit of forensic evidence they can get from it is a partial fingerprint. The car isn't a total debt. End though because according to josh wink which is reporting for nbc news. They also find a set of keys laying on the passenger seat floor. Some of the keys. Look like hockey's Like house keys. It's pretty standard stuff. Nothing like jumps out right away. But here's the thing about those keys though when police test them onto meekest stuff. Her house car family stuff. They don't work. They don't go to her car. They don't go to her house. Wait so they aren't to make his keys exactly. They had to have belonged to whoever moved her car. The problem is police. Have no way of finding out who this person is now. Of course the first person they try to look at is toronto who is their main suspect. But the keys. Don't open any of his things and the partial print that they do have from car doesn't belong to him either so without any fingerprints on these keys. There's almost nothing unique about them to say where they've come from. Who cut them or what they match up to. The only clue police have on. These keys is a four digit code engraved on the top of one of that and the code says a one four k. Are you gonna tell me what that stands for. Well at the time police don't know and so to find out the spartanburg police decide to go talk to the people who will know local locksmiths. They take these keys all over the city hoping that whoever made it will be able to look up this four digit code in their records and be able to say you know who made the keys for or let complex. He's four and i did like a thirty second glance at wikipedia about he making girl. It's a long shot to me. Like a yeah. I don't know how they plan to make that connection. But while they're going for blocks smith to locksmith and checking all of this out. Police also keep pursuing other leads all summer long and they even searched cleveland park lake again in hopes of finding something that they missed the first time. Around according to another one of andy peres articles in the greenville news in venture across state lines to black mountain north carolina which is about an hour and a half's drive north of spartanburg by july twenty fourth. They've chased down around forty leads at the time they felt were viable that they thought could lead to media but all these searches keep coming up empty and as the summer of two thousand four is coming to an end. The leads keep drying up to meet his disappearance. Feels like it's starting to get cold and police at the end of all of this are really only left with one thing to go on that mysterious key and incredibly one of the locksmiths in town is eventually able to use that. A one four code and identify the key. This locksmith tells police he made this key for a public housing complex called the fremont school apartments which happens to be about a five minute drive from the barksdale apartments were to meet. His car was found so police go to his apartment complex to try and figure out where this key goes. They tried the key in all forty six apartment doors one after another after another holding their breath every time it it goes into the lock but it doesn't work in any of them and just as they're getting this like sinking feeling that they'd yet another dead end they get this idea. Let's try this key one more time in one more place that we haven't check yet they take to what they they think might be a storage area down in the basement of the complex and honestly it's like something out of a movie because this time it works on the last door that they try the door opens letting them into what is actually a forty-seven apartment one that isn't currently listed up for rent because it's got flood damage so now that they have this apartment law enforcement gets a forensic team down there right away to scour this apartment from top to bottom for evidence. i mean. they're looking for bloodstains. Anything that might give them some clues leading back to to meet a. But here's the problem as promising as this seemed. There's nothing in the apartment. It's totally clean and tamiya was ever there. She didn't leave anything behind now. Police and her family are just got it. I mean it feels like every time. They feel like they're getting somewhere. They just hit another roadblock another debt. Now they do get a little break though. Because someone. I couldn't find out exactly who like it. Someone at the front office that worked at the apartment or someone that lived there or what but after they think they hit this dead end. Someone informs them like. Oh by the way that door not you open down in the basement may not actually belong to that door. We what do you mean. So the fremont school apartments had this policy that anytime. a tenant evicted. They would just swap out the doorknob with another unit. So that way. Whoever got addicted couldn't get back into their old place with a copy of the key that they had and to me. This is a little frightening. Because the implication is that some disgruntled ex tenant theoretically just like keep trying doors and get into some other random person's home which to me feels like a liability. But what do i know. Yeah like i changed my locks when we moved into this house but i kinda change them again just hearing that. Isn't that strange. Yeah but the point. Is that the door not down to the basement could have come from any of the other forty six different apartments and the problem is the management office. Says they don't really keep good records of which knob gets switched to wear. Which again seems like a liability problem but basically you have all forty six. You have to search at this point so logistically. You can't just send a forensic team into forty-six apartments like even if you could get a warrant. That is a logistical nightmare. So police take step back and they say okay for a second. Let's forget the doorknob. Let's focus on the records. Do you have the names of everyone who's living here right now. 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Christopher isn't exactly hard to track down because he's actually in federal prison on a parole violation and he's going to be there until august of two thousand five. He's not a flight risk either. Here's the thing though. They obviously have crisis print since he's incarcerated but the partial print from her car doesn't belong to him either. It doesn't match anyone in the national database. And at some point they just kind of have to think. This is a debt. Okay you but i mean. This guy seems like a really good match. If i were them. I'd still wanna talk to the sky right. Oh absolutely because when police are kind of like into him they also learned from his record that christopher previously did four years in jail for armed robbery so he a record and they also learn about a very interesting gap in his record. Because chris was out of jail at the time to migas disappearance when police go and talk to him. He admits to knowing to mika and says they met. Mutual friend's birthday party back in april. Two thousand four. He said the relationship was pretty much like a physical thing. Not super deep. I mean that would make sense because like you said. Her family didn't know about him or recognize the name at all. Yeah totally especially with what happened with her last boyfriend to maybe to make a didn't want to explain things with to her parents like i totally get that. Just her friends would know about that. So chris tells police that heat into me only knew each other about a month which lines up with what her friend said but he says he hasn't seen her since the end of the month after they got into an argument over money. Chris swears he doesn't know anything about where she might have gone or what might have happened to her after that but police can't gut feeling that he's not being entirely honest with them so while they're learning more about him and talking to him and all of this is happening. The spartanburg police aren't the only ones hard at work to learn what might have happened to mika. Her aunt rebecca the same person who reported her missing is doing everything she can to keep to make a story in the public eye now as a benefit to rebecca she actually does. Pr down in miami. Where she lives and she's married to a former nfl player so she has connections galore. She's not afraid to use them to try and get national coverage for to mika. None of the big national news stations will even call her back. I mentioned before they got some local press but not this national stuff and it's interesting because this is right around the time when a lot of missing women are totally dominating. The news cycle there was chandra. Levy natalie holloway case. After case over the past couple of years where the national media gives tonnes of coverage to missing white women while missing. Black women like to meek get hardly any and while i was researching this i actually came across. Nbc news article where they published some statistics in two thousand and five about the coverage disparity according to a media analyst andrew tyndall morning shows gave nine hundred forty one minutes to talk about lacey peterson. A hundred and thirty five minutes to lori hacking and ninety eight minutes to a college student in wisconsin. Who fakes her own abduction. So there is this huge disparity and the go missing under very similar circumstances but no matter how hard rebecca tries. She can't get this national coverage but she is getting a lot of local coverage in spartanburg and in south carolina. And even though it's not what we're back. A wanted her efforts pay off because the one person who needed to learn about to. Mika did they saw a news piece on her. And it rocked the entire investigation christopher's ex girlfriend and the mother of his two kids actually calls into the spartanburg police and tells them that she has christopher's wallet and there's something they should see according to the forensic files episode about this case called skeleton key she says christopher had mailed her his wallet for safekeeping after he went back to prison and she had decided to call police after seeing on the local news that law enforcement were looking for connections between to make a houston and the fremont school apartments the very same apartments where she knows christopher used to live. Okay but what does this have anything to do with the wallet. Well here's the thing so it's not the wallet itself. It's what's inside because like a lot of people. Chris carried around photos which isn't weird on. Its own but one of the photos in his wallet like she must have been going through it on one of the photos. She finds this tiny speck of blood. And it's so creepy because as they showed on forensic via the spec is on a family portrait of christopher's ex and their kits. She turns this over to police and they're testing confirms that the stain on the photo is definitely blood and after they're able to do a dna comparison they're able to tell that it matches to meakers dna so now police know beyond a shadow of doubt that they need to get inside. Chris's old apartment. Because at some point it's likely to. Mika was bleeding in but before they can go search police get another call like the strokes of luck. Just keep coming here. So this call is from a young woman who tells them that she was in christopher's apartment to hook up with him around the time to make a went missing and she saw something that really stuck out to her according to forensic files she tells police. She saw a weird reddish brown stain on the carpet christoper's bedroom and he had his dresser moved over so it blocked his closet. Almost i ki- may have been hiding something in there. So armed with this new information finally on january tenth two thousand five almost seven months to the day after two meco was reported missing law enforcement is able to search apartment to fifteen as soon as they get into a master bedroom. They can immediately see a big bleach mark on the carpet. Someone had clearly made a mess in here and then try to clean it up but as police reveal when they pull up the carpet the bleach only got was on the surface like in the actual carpet fibers there on the carpet backing and soaked all the way through to the padding is a stain just like this young woman described and sure enough. It has positive for blood and once they bring out the luminol. Police find evidence of blood all over the apartment especially in the closet. So it's obvious beyond any shadow of doubt that something terrible happened in here but according to nbc news when police ask christopher about the stains in his old apartment he says no. No no no. That's not blood. that's just a lot of hot sauce. I'm sorry what's yeah. Yeah it gets a little bit better which already it's so off. The wall like who spills that much hot sauce all over the place in in the closet on the floor and a bedroom. Yeah in a closet. Maybe you drop a bottle in the kitchen and it shatters. Okay sure but this is. Yeah but it gets weirder because christopher then changes his story again and then he says someone broke into his apartment. And i guess rated his fridge or something pieces the vandalized the carpet with ketchup and mayonnaise. But also still not blood and still weird and besides the fact just chris not think they're going to test this stain like yeah. I don't know what the point of the weird lies is in like you. Just oh it's catch up like don't bother like we only have her blood on your wallet and people putting with her and the key like probably not her. It's bizarre twisted. We're live seem so unnecessary. He was a completely unnecessary. And i almost. Maybe he didn't understand like how it works. Because i was watching on forensic files. They actually have some video of him being questioned by police and you can hear him trying to even pretend like matching. A person's blood with dna isn't really a thing. So i think this guy's no stranger to like be assing and christopher himself any favors during this time like. He writes letters to police from prison. Admitting that he rented a carpet steamer to clean his force so he's like giving them lies but also giving them more information than they had to begin with at this point have even charged with anything. No they haven't even asked him about the cleanup or the steamer point. He's kind of just providing all of this information but at the end of the day it wouldn't matter police already. Had all the evidence they needed. This episode was made possible by bode. Well if you're like the fifty percent of people who suffer from eggs zima psoriasis. Insensitive skin bode. Well has created innovative clinically. Tested solutions for you. That are safe powerful and steroid-free and the best part is you don't need a prescription bode well. Core treatment creams and serums contain. It's patented plant based technology a powerful anti-inflammatory that has been clinically shown to perform at pharmaceutical grade. After twelve weeks of two-time day use in a double blind placebo. Controlled clinical study. Eighty percent of psoriasis sufferers reported. Being clear almost clear from flares and seventy five percent of xm suffers achieve a mild or better level of severity. I just started using mine. But i am dying to see the results. 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But since christopher is still in jail law enforcement doesn't have to worry about like skipping town. They really take their time to gather everything they can to show beyond a reasonable doubt that he's responsible for what they believe is a heinous crime with all of the forensic evidence in the dna matches police in the spartanburg county district attorney's office or competent. That even without a body they may be able to a murder so on friday august twelfth two thousand and five the very same day that christopher is supposed to be released from prison he's actually rearrested and charged with the murder of to meet a houston and he's also charged with sexual misconduct because that young woman who called police about the pain in his bedroom it turns out that she was only fifteen years old at the time that they had sex so she was under the legal age of consent in south carolina before the case can go to trial. Christopher makes a shocking decision that turns the entire investigation upside down on the very same day. He's arrested for murder. Christopher informs police that he's willing to tell them where to make body is wait so he's confessing to her murder. Yes and no. Because christopher says that to meekest death was an accident. Okay so what is he saying happened. According to w i s. news. Christopher tells police that he and timmy got into a fight one night in late may and he says that he went to pick her up at a friend's house brought her back to his apartment. And the timely gets a little weird here because different sources give different dates. But we know for sure. This happened somewhere between may twenty seventh and june second like right in that timeframe but he goes on to say that he had sex before he got up to iron his clothes and then get ready for work while he was ironing to. Mika allegedly confronted him about his relationship with another woman who is now pregnant and she asked to borrow some money. Christopher said no and according to him they got into a fight which led to him hurling red hot iron beyond at to mika hitting her in the head is that what her killer right away. We don't know there's really no other details beyond that. I find it a little hard to believe that one throw would cause that much blood in the apartment. We know there was a lot of right in that area and in the closet. Christopher tells police that basically he just panicked and there wasn't an additional attack and instead of calling police or taking the hospital. He says he wraps her body in a blanket and shoved her in the closet before cleaning up all the blood in his apartment. Rachel reported for go. Upstate news that he then went over to a friend's place to have a few beers and then as if that's not enough literally a a woman is dead in your closet. You're going to hang out with a friend. That's when christopher went and picked up that young fifteen year old girl. I told you about him brought her back to his apartment and he had sex with her while to mika was right there in the closet. That's why he had that dresser in front of the closet. Christopher admits that at some point either later that night or really early in the morning he went to a wal mart to buy a shovel drove to make us body about twenty five miles west and buried her in the woods off tiger river drive near the town of duncan along with this confession he takes law enforcement to the spot right where he marked to me. 'cause grave with a cross made of twigs so police start digging and it doesn't take long for them to find human bones in this shallow grave but joy can't keep getting crazier but is missing from grave. The excavators can't find to macos skull the union like her head. Isn't there yet and honestly. This is one of the things that kind of blows my mind about this story. Because christopher explains that he actually came back to the greats i at some point after to make a died and dug up her body. He says that he felt guilty. And that he was gonna confess the whole thing to police but ultimately. He says he couldn't get the courage to do it. And so he reburied her instead but what he actually did as much much darker because for whatever reason christopher cut off her head before he reburied her body and he says that he put it in a plastic bag and tossed it in the garbage bin. It almost makes me think that maybe he was doing it to prevent her from being eventually identified. Like you know it was on the news. Time especially locally. I don't know it's possible. But what i know about anger killings which is i mean even from his own story where it's quote an accident like it came out of anger and what i know about anger. Killings is that the act itself doesn't stop until the anger subsides like sometimes even if you're super and killing someone isn't enough that's why some cases you see like mutilation after the fact like a killer. A perpetrator will continue to go after someone until that feeling of anger subsides and it has nothing to do whether the person is alive or not in like overkill charges in cases. Yeah yeah so. I kind of had that thought like whatever it was like whatever hate he had in him against emeka hasn't gone yet even Even after she was gone even after she'd been his closet even after he buried hurt like he's still hated her so much that he had to unmarry her take off her head and rebury her but even without her skull there was enough in that grave jewelry. Parts of her job own enough that they could positively. Id her body with dental records. Though the rest of her school has never been found. No it's interesting is despite straight up confessing and leading police to to make his body initially christopher actually pleads not guilty to murder however on the very day that his trial starts which was april third. Two thousand six. Christopher changes his mind and decides to plead guilty and he sentenced to life in prison with no possibility of parole where he remains to this day. I know we often think of cases having a big smoking gun or that one giant piece of evidence to tie the whole thing together but often. That's not what solves crimes. Most of the time. It's the little breadcrumbs leading from a to b to see all the way to the troop for to make a houston. The most crucial piece of evidence came from those four digits on a key that eventually unlocked the truth and gave her family. The justice they deserve. You can find pictures and our source material for this episode on our website crime junkie podcast dot com and be sure to follow us on instagram. At cranky podcast. 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Ursula Rucker: Phillys Reigning Queen of Poetry

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Ursula Rucker: Phillys Reigning Queen of Poetry

"Hey, this is Greg the Philly blunt in this episode. We sit down with Phillies Queen of poetry Ursula. Rucker Ursula poet activists recording artists with five studio albums. She's also collaborated with the likes of the roots king Britain, Josh, wink, she's also a one two thousand eighteen pew fellowship. If you're not familiar with her work, check out the documentary Ursula Rucker poet on YouTube after you listen to this captivating interview, of course, Arcelor's workers, raw personal, and brutally honest sees easily without a doubt one of the wisest voices in Philly. So we hope you enjoy don't forget to rate and review if you like what we're doing because it helps other people find us when they do searches for cool, Philly podcasts and follow us on our socials. Keep up with all the news and new guests Instagram, Twitter and Facebook all as the Philly blunt. Hope you enjoy. Philadelphia. Hello, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to Philly blunt. My name's Shana good times scrape, and we are very excited this episode. We're going to be talking with one of Philadelphia's foremost poets, if not foremost poet in the city of Philadelphia Ursula. Millie excited to have you on the show. Oh my goodness. Welcome cited to have you up here in town. Welcome. Yeah. We were actually talking before we get started. What is it about Germantown that has remained soda almost last? Untouched. Non gentrified area. Much as you want that's much as you want. I mean, you know, outside of being in love with my whole entire city. I grew up in mount airy and Germantown hill, you know, west mount airy. So this is like, yeah. This is it for me and living here for the past. The almost seventeen years is just a is probably the most sacred place in the whole entire city 'cause we're right near the whistle. Hicken? You know, ancient native American land, you can feel it coursing. And I, and I'm certain that is, you know, the deepest as as well as is African American burial ground that high-rise project was built on top of the imploded that the whole neighborhood went to it was it was great you my first in mice. And and I always say what is up with that? Please. Even as my dad like what was it like back in the day? He's always been. Wow. West over there. And then come to find out. I'm like he must be it must be have been built on top of a ancient burial ground. Now, they have a historical marker right there. And they keep the they built like new, you know, the new so did you ever think did you ever think of moving out of this area? Was that ever a lived in university city? I love the when. I live there forty and between Chester and Springfield. I loved university city. I was sad when I love to I'll Clark park. I mean, he's like sorry sense of community. That wasn't even me. He was like knowledge that it wasn't. Yeah. But so not what this is model. So you measure that was your first implosion has there been a second implosion. We mean, the high-rise what's my own. I've never seen. It was fine. That's fine. I got caught it on. It was it was it was it was tearing down something that shouldn't have been there to begin with. Yeah. N wishes. You don't you don't know all the ways that our community can gather together for something and everybody. Ninety people. It was so flyers. So I wanna take want to take us back to the mid ninety s and you were involved in a really special seen in Philadelphia musical history. You were part of seeing that included the roots. King Britt, rich Medina that whole crowd. Take us back their tickets back to what that scene was like and what the. What those days were like for you. And like the Queen of nostalgia. Was great. You know? I mean, I think any time of when you look back on like, wow. That was like my actual time of a full self discovery. You know, and I was doing it with a bunch of other amazing as people who were along the same trajectory. And so well speaks to the magic of this place villi. Honestly, I mean who who have you not talked to it is like failure to music if. Yeah, yeah, we know. This is a current as opposed as a energies is is in the Schuylkill. No, we just different with special. And so there was one of those special moments. Hedge ical soak city. We all live in around the same place. Same neighborhood. I don't know about you know, we would meet at this soak city was definitely a hub at that time in the party back to basics. King Britt and DJ. Does he did, you know brought everybody together? And then I was I mean, you know, I got to know Richmond Dina when he was like a poet poet a lot of people are like why did he was a poet? A hello. People forget about the fi one of my favorite poets at that time. Yeah. That's super deep voice. Yeah. Writing is amazing. I noticed that you've always used the word poet. And you're not a fan of the word spoken. You already know. Why is that until tell us a little bit about what you see is the difference between those two. Yeah. I mean. We're allowed to to to know. And then say what we like. And we don't like you know, what I mean? I think people just get weird about that. All I don't know. I don't like is not it's not sufficient. It's small spoken. Word is just I don't even. In terms of this thing that we do with performing poetry or sharing poetry. You know in the public sphere spoken word is like nothing to me as a spoken. We're artists will what? While I'm saying, do you write it down? Doesn't matter. Does the art of it matter? Does it only matter when you're on the microphone and your shocking and all everyone and you're like? I just I don't get it. You know, what I get the kind of spoken word category, and the Grammies which is like speeches, and it's it makes more sense to me. But yeah, I never liked it. I never will. I'm constantly having to. Tell people please don't refer to me as a spoken word artist. Okay. You might not be anything to you. But me how how many centuries have poets been in existence. How how important is poetry to the keeping of history in when there was no writing down when there was just oral tradition. It was the poet who kept all that shit together. Nobody's easier to remember it in rhyming form to pass it down or just honored in the in the communities in the villages in the in the gathering. So they were looked towards to just keep keep the culture and keep the information. You know, until like we started recording things by writing things down even goes back to like Socrates and not a spoken word philosopher, he's a philosopher, and he never wrote anything bullshit. Honest, Sal rice. Right. Right. Right. Right. Thank you know. We do our homework. Right. So you're also not a fan of slam poetry is that right? I mean. We're trying to get you the brakes. Not that I don't like the competition element. I. Think it's cool for how it's introduced a lot of people who would never have been familiar with poetry at all. And then the performance of poetry. So it's there are some pluses, no to everything. But yeah, I detest the competition element is just not for me. I think I've been in Bank. I've participated in one slam in my lifetime. I didn't really understand what host doing at the time was at the new Eureka and poets cafe in New York City. And I was I'm no, no, no, no poetry shouldn't be competitive. Do you think that we're that works against your nature? That's going to like if you when you're an artist there's always going to be eliminated competition right with fellow artists. And I mean there need they need not being official named competition. And I think when you're creating a piece of our to compete to me that's weird. For me. I agree hundred percent. I used to you know, when I was young I battle it was a different element. But what what's become now in hip, hop the battle. It's like these guys have two months to prepare. And they have to pretend like really mad at Eun. It's like shout at each other for for for. And it just it doesn't seem natural or real. You know, it's it's it's it's an active, so it's contrived. Yeah. I mean, they're dance competent. I mean, you know, per Persia, and it changes, you know for poetry. Oh, you're going gonna write up. I just doesn't. I'm sorry. Something's just don't know connect-. You could never imagine writing a poem because you were trying to win a competition against somebody. People don't really want me to. Yes. Yes. I love I love you. Don't welcome. Yeah. Yeah. You should be grateful that I'm not doing that. Stop the pockets. So you talked about how recording the unlocking for the routes took you out of your comfort zone wanted to see. Ashley what your comfort zone was. And how that particular point knocked you out of it very personal personal record. Oh, it was frightening. It was frightening. I mean, look, I just felt it. In so many years later, but I can still kinda cool. I'm not jaded. I'm not not jaded. That's thank you here. When I'm when Amir called me. You know, it was really like when you ask that question about what it feel like Richmond Dina, you know, the rules Cambridge or I mean it felt natural. So when Amir asked me up house, I okay. All right. Like, you're not really. Understanding the whole scope of it because we used to hang out issues. So it was like, oh may my friend has asked me to do something. But the theme is super challenging scary. Approached you with what they wanted the poem to be more or less or absolutely very specific. And Antezana Keyshawn gay was supposed to do the poem. She was away. She was on vacation because she was wild like that bless her. And they couldn't get in touch with her or anyone deadline in-stock, Sean live behind the pain of Brian. I worked at the peanut. So I was here all the time being all my God is inside shong. So that didn't make sense to me either. We she was supposed to do it. You want me to do it? You don't even really know if I can do it. What are you asking me right now, what write a poem about what am I got? But I did it. Legendary people who don't know what it's about, you know, what's it about? He asked me to write Apoel about. Yeah. A woman who was gang bang and rises Victoria's comes out the Victor. And I was only knows talk about because I write it has to be real in some way, you know, it has to so I had to really really think and find a nugget of truth from me. So I could. And so I just took it kind of from home like sort of a mythology, but not really, you know, like, I have been dating somebody. And then I found out that he was sitting around, you know, Chilin smoke hanging out one night talking about everything you know, that we had done and I was like oh. Stupid. But then I'm like, okay. It's probably about eight or nine news in the room. So he gang bang, me and conversation. Pair as she begins her ritual paying sexual ties for few and aren't true words of admiration. Translation sucker as a live of trash doing from. I one unskilled myths that begged for pussy tricks that make his dick go quickly. You know, you have under. I seen in the documentary you run they're pretty tight deadline. It was just like a day or two. I mean, it was like normal like how long has your writing process normally for poem? Yeah. All right at the last minute now. That may have been the, you know defining moment for that as well. But. It was my defining moment for breaking out of any kind of fear in doing this. Now, I may have a little light concern because I never wanna really hurt people too bad. I want to be respectful. I don't want to. Okay. I don't want to offend. But y'all never sent to myself. No, I'll always, you know, this is my fears place when I do I mean as no place that I'm more free. It's piggybacking on what he had asked about your writing process. I've always wondered from different artists perspective for me. There was a time where it was it. Didn't it didn't. It was more fun and free because it didn't put food on the table. There wasn't that pressure. Do you still have those times where you just sit and just right for yourself? Or is it almost always like, well, I gotta be in studio tomorrow. And slivers of paper journals little notebooks. I mean, I do a lot of writing in here because I'm busy. We're bit rain. We've got kids family problems and should and. Yeah. All right. All the time and on necessarily sit on me, right home. He's definitely keeping a journal from yet. Do you have like a daily routine of writing or is it? Rather? It just comes when it comes. Yeah. Just like, you know, I remember when my. You know mentor. Mama's on your scientists, you know hurt her a million times say right every day. And our, you know, I remember the first time when she would say every time she was saying. All right. Hammered unhappy right up his should be writing every day. Then you have to know what works for you yet. The no was good for you. Even if you're icon, your I eat, all your, you know, all in all no, you still have to know what's best for you. And what's best for me is the organic process. I mean when I have you know to record. Of course, I'm going to skid a skid under the. So. Yeah, that's what I do. But usually disappoint those. Right, right. Yeah. It's all good. I was the studio for you. Are you a me? I can't I I don't like the studio I like perform live I like writing, and creating it and performing it live. But I don't like being in that. I don't. Yeah. There's just something about it. It makes it feel like work. So that's not the same few. No, no, no. I love it. I mean, I don't the studio thing doesn't happen. All the time. So it still feels fresh and fun exciting. I love getting in there and getting your checking your level. Great great. Yeah. We've seen the changes in music business in the past fifteen twenty years where it's gone from being thing where used to sell CDs, and they used to be sort of certain business model. But now, it's a totally different business model is that similar for you and poetry or their other avenues that maybe somebody like, reef and music doesn't doesn't have. I mean that is my avenue because I haven't written any books. I've only recorded my boegy five albums and countless collaborations. So. Yeah. It's why haven't done another album yet really two thousand twelve thirteen is good. Close close though. Yes, I'm like kicking myself, you know, like earth way too long, but I mean all in in divine time, but yeah, I've been, you know, procrastinating on doing crowd funding campaign 'cause I I just I'm so scared of it. But I don't think I can do an another album the way I want to without it. Because all the other times, I had someone blessedly funding. The project thought of writing. Poetry booker's your stuff. So specifically what I don't know why it hasn't happened. It's not a right people ask you know, what I do. When people ask me save. I don't know. Please leave me alone. Tall harpers Collins and call. Get into. Yeah. Trey. Yeah. So you had mentioned you were scared of the crowd surfing like what in particular about crowd serving scary? Southend on you. Surfing. Sorry, my medal background. Would never had. Route serving poetry reading Trump mind. Yeah. Oh, I'm scared across. Weirdo. I'm a fish mall back in the day. I went to see fishbone at chestnut org chestnut cabaret and somebody went on the state and jump on my neck. Don, I'm never yet. But. To actually get a crowd surfing. Philly. So what is it about the crowd funding? That's gives you everything. I don't like asking people for anything. That's number one for sure. Artists. Oh hard from you. Are probably missed out on whatever. It doesn't matter. Because I don't know what I missed Allen. That's number one. And then the. Management of it. Like, okay, I need someone who's appealing to my oldest son KOMO on our. I mean, don't you have a home daycare like manage my crowdfunding, hire them, and they haven't I don't know. I feel like I have to find somebody ain't doing it. Right. Have you experienced that like? I've noticed that a lot of people they talk about their team. And all that other stuff is it. It's been it's hard for me. Because I feel like I haven't met that person or those people or they the either don't do enough or they're doing too much. It's mostly bullshit, right? Somebody coach his Audie get a, bro. As I reach out to you directly. Like I liked that. I liked being able to like. Trying to have a team conference. Call is bull conference call today. And it was the worst thing the words like a slow death. Basically just sit with the phone on mute for the majority of conference calls. But yeah, it's it's it's a frightening thought. But I have to do it. You know? And I just I wanna do it. Right. That's why I need somebody to help. I don't want to not respond to people are not get them the that were horrifying. If people were hey, I still haven't gotten home. That has been a thing with with a few people that meant well, and they people still didn't get the they pledged as much they were supposed to get this from it, and they didn't get it. And then now the person looks like they robbed you. Last two life find one or two people that you trust and work with and that's your quote, unquote team. But I mean that whole team should yet. Teamwork. Does make the jury work, but you got to find them off the team. It's not easy. It's not. Is is that what would you feel more pressure because your friends and people like that had funded? The record is that more pressure for the poems will be at a higher standard. Be careful. Lately, me let me in my in my focus moment zero dust in my pocket. All right at the highest level. That's my shit. That's my that's my meditation. That's my therapy. That's my joy. That's my freedom. Never doing that half ass ever. Never never. If I if I did I have more money. Going back a little bit further. You want said that your parents were nice down gangsta meet south Philly girl. So I wanted to know what parts of you. Do you think you get from the nice down gangster? And what party parts of yourself? Do you see in the south Philly girl? My father taught me how to cuss. So enough said he is he was the master. I mean, I couldn't have learnt from a better while his the the arrangement, you know, of cuss words. Sometimes sitting outside on the front step, and he'd be crib. Y'all. And are you know, now is like always the one cousin on the bus? You know, what my little shy quiet neared? It was weird position super shy. But no one could cost like me. So there's that. Plus, I gotta me street. And yeah, my mom. I did a whole one woman show about my mom, so talk about her life. She is in the strongest person, I know so. She gave me that. I got that. Shut up. Mom. She's the most loving person so strong and loving. I. Well them I mean, a south Philly girl. Marrying a nice town gangster fifties. I mean that had to be almost unheard of at that time, right? Yeah. It was dangerous. The had a lot of. Yeah. Lot of problems with the family and just Allen public father told me many stories when mother told me many stories, and but they made it they did it was a while. We say on his apart in my one woman show where I'm late. You know, make reference to prince and purple rain with him and abalone looking through the window and his parents is a freak show. It was it was while I wouldn't ahead. It any other way. Right. Kind of cool. I wanted to go back. You had said that you don't censor yourself. And I don't know about reefa. I wrote a memoir piece about some family stuff. And do you wear when you do this? Do you worry about offending family? Have you offended family and probably struggler wrestle with that. Skis. It was definitely scary. When my own brother came to my wall. We're not new the night that he was coming. But he was nice to me the next day. He was true. Troops in that show about. Yeah. Did you think about censoring it with him there? How might of it might across my mind. I don't remember. But yeah, then I'm like, no. 'cause I worked so hard. I'm sure you did too. I mean, it's just hard. We're. Agreeing with yourself to tell your story, you know, to speak your own truth. Okay. When his gradient dirty and raw fucked up because Chaim is something we all. Allow into our spirit and it's bullshit because everybody has their shit. So yeah, it's my mom has never even heard or seen the woman show. What as she also has not ever listened to return to innocence, which is home on the third of roots album. Wanna talk really about my brother and her never heard that a relief. Are you glad he's ever heard? Nah. I think it would be okay. At this point me back. Then I'm you know, was really really Freitas. I would have ton putting peasants out on the show for many years. People would say, hey, is that a two story, and I was saying yes based on truth. But as you know, a grand is not all true afraid now, I'm like, whatever. We talked about with that with you with your new album. How personal your most recent album wasn't. I mean, I think your most personal work done and also not Stanley. I think the best work done. But like when we were talking about that about how for an artist do do, you have sort of a responsibility to get beyond sort of the restraints at the rest of a sort of feel to keep relationships. You know, you have to kind of go beyond that for the sake of the art. Oh that. I just got to do. What comes? I don't end, you know, while we're on this conversation. I want to be sure to talk about. How the poet he has led me to. Using the for trauma, healing and just healing in general and how that has become late. I'm was my most favorite thing right now. And I would have never. Thought an implants do it. I'm trying to make myself better. I didn't know that. I could help other people, you know, get well, and it's just such a beautiful thing. We can do all kinds of things you're talking about this stuff. You've been doing with prisons and things like that using the poetry's like. Yeah. Greater for Kensington. Do the open mic, and Kensington which I'm about to start back up soon going. There was is probably like. Yeah. The confirmation from the this year who work everywhere to art can can really really save an an and change lives. Give us an example of that like things that you've seen Hambro, right? Neighborhood with the highest amount of opioid deaths in the country. I don't know if that's still it was the statistic for a long time. So when I went there and started working there. I didn't know what I was doing what I was getting myself into. I didn't know if it will work. Man. It's just it just exploded, my Hama heart. My comp- my level for compassion is off the charts. Like, I didn't even know them a heart whole that ledge love and compassionate only. You know, just grows me as a as a being. I mean, those people are like some of the most loving people. And when people call them zombies, and I mean, that's a -fensive to me. Now, I will won't let people talk ill about the people that I have met in a place called Kensington that are fighting for their fucking lives and have come from all different kinds of experiences and people just some them. How dare you you perfect? You never had any problems nothing ever. Makes you feel weak. Oh, oh, you not popping, you know, some kind of anti depressant or whatever. Okay. You know, come on. We all got day just happened and take a route this Bill his, no. Yes. I mean, some people have that thing where you can your brain can stop it, and some people don't I mean, it's not a thing where it's a. Better than them morally. My brain at a certain points. Like, all right. You need to stop drinking or what have you? So people don't have that. That thing. That's all that that really is plus. Right. Dot dot dot, plus. Let's talk about where we're doing the interview real quick. We didn't do that. Let's give shout out to our venue where uncle bobby's bookstop bookshop in Germantown on Germantown f-. What made you pick this Marc Lamont hill. That's the homie. That's doing that doing that real work that most are not built for won't ever do to scare the do is cool because we got people like Marc Lamont hill and people like reef people like earth. Yeah. You know, just support and his space and his and his effort with the people in the community. And yeah, and it was like, you know, open at this time. All right. We're gonna take it to the Philly blow. This is basically the last part of the interview we asked rapid-fire question. Rapid-fire answer scaring. Yeah. It's nothing heavy at all them. All right. He's gonna start us off favorite place to perform the city past present future. Oh. You know, what I actually love? I love the French. Art speeds. I know there's a lot of politics involved with. But that space and the sound and the experiences I've had their it resonates with me, and I love Espy's. Yeah. Noticed you follow the official, Bruce Lee Twitter paid Twitter handphone, you have a favorite Bruce Lee movie. Oh my God. Oh, man. No. I don't I've watched them all multiple times is more his spirit as my favorite. You know? I mean, that's my. The documentary. The docu one of the documentaries is my favorite like it's when I watched the it's it's like, it's like when I watch. Great and mighty walk about a doctor, John Henrik mon-, that's one of my favorite things in in this interview with dick Gregory that the the woman from TV one does a patio. Somewhat are Kathy Arsim. Inspiring. If you had your own talk show who would be your first guest. Yeah. I saw I saw their notice the sugar earlier. Nice in loving memory of shirt, absolutely all day. If you wrestler-boxer you come into the ring, which your walk in using. Oh rapid-fire. I'm sorry. I'm failing say that like that. You're actually pretty quick compared to most of our so people just like next question. Oh DX. Done. I'm going to keep with the prince and the music theme. I have a fifteen year old nephew not in. No exposure prince. If you got one song for me to play for him to expose them to prince and turn them over to be. That's. That's not fair. I mean, that's just unfair. Because I don't really know. Fifteen doesn't really say anything. I don't know him. That's not fair. I can't do it. All right. You're not gonna catch me out. Fifty one. What's your what musical artists would you most want to work with? Oh. Such as of course. I mean, it's such a long list. Oh my God. Be was the name too. A name or two. While to say like forever, the whole entire life. Like from the beginning. When I started doing this thing always had a dream of the Rizza the ones on doing some with Rizzi. Tang like everything. And who do I always say, right? Don't you? Do this people ask you? I was listening to last before. Cinematic orchestra. Oh my God. Semi. Thank me later. Okay, everybody. I have ever told about them. They're like all my. Yeah. Yeah. I'm as a dream for me to work with them Goto comfort food. Oh. Yeah. Probably like cheese. Yeah. I'm like cheese. Are you like slicing and upper you just I sometimes it's hunk right into the like wherever so many different sizes blue cheese, guess what don't get close out. But there's something discover last year that I love blue cheese with live with like, Pat Taylor. Little ones y'all is such a cool snap. I don't get. No bullshit. Right. Right. Right. Bruno's? Yeah. About a book that changed? Her life is washing. Zorno hurston, please, my heart. I'm about to cry favorite children's story. Oh. That's just the anything in where the sidewalk ends like the whole all the pieces in the whole book. Just last month from me, what is one of your quotes that you say to your kids because every mom has the quote, like my mom was I don't self be true. When I was fucking was something that you say, all your boys. Fuck down. Remember, then they'll be they'll be saying to their kids like I do now. There's so many. I don't know. Let's just go with. Who am I? And then they're responsive is the clean your mother. Fucking rain. House. Can you tell me something beautiful about Philadelphia? We lost little rocker Germantown of uncle what something beautiful everything, even the grit and the grime is beautiful. 'cause it makes us who we are. And we can go any where in the whole entire world and know how to carry ourselves all right or wrong. Yeah. That's was beautiful. You actually had a great quote to that. You said the most successful relationship. I've had with my city. Green. I remember saying that I wasn't that long ago. Pew. Pew. See all right. All right. That was recent. All right. Rob asked me about that. Ain't nobody wanna know about me being a pew fellow. Say six tries. All right. So Robert frost once said poetry is when an emotion has found its thought, and the thought has found words, so I know this impossible question, but t poetry is blank rapid fire. Poetry's when an emotion found it's thought, and the has found words you re with that. Robert frost just wanted to make sure it was. Robert frost once said. Thank you for that. That's one of those ones. He's gonna ever gonna live down that. Where can people find you at quote unquote on on the on the dark web? He saw me looking. No, you don't. Let our listeners get the home. Just the the socials. You know, you gotta do you rocker Instagram at Rucker Twitter, and yeah, just Ursula Rucker on Facebook. And it's also I have an artist page. I don't really, you know. Do that much. But it's both earthly Rucker just ones lower case. Phenomenon. Y'all don't have blunts y'all. Disappoint. All right. Thank you so much for being off show ANC you and yeah, we'll be talking to you guys soon. TD's? Joe to the home of brother. 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Big Boy Stuff

Championship Drive

52:20 min | 1 year ago

Big Boy Stuff

"Welcome to the college football podcast with Herbie and pollock. I'm your host Kevin Godley today on the podcast. There's only one thing really to talk about the national champion. LSU Unless you tigers in their fantastic win over the other tigers that is from Clemson. I was in New Orleans all week. I was down the field for the game. Spent a ton of time with Herbie and pollock like some would say too much time with David. So we'll talk to him about the game and look ahead of the off season a little bit. Herbie's got some strong opinions as well especially from what we saw all from. LSU's offense and Trevor Lawrence on the other side and how he could rebound before we get started a couple of housekeeping notes to get through this is your reminder that if you haven't done so already subscribe rate and review the show wherever you listen to your podcast will be active in the offseason. Just not three days a week and if you subscribe you'll get the latest from the college football podcast with Herbie and pollock whenever we drop a new episode. Also check out the latest edition of first draft with Todd. mcshay Mel kiper junior senior increase bro. They're also talking about the title game but from a draft perspective who really help themselves out. After that performance who went down there was a lot of NFL talented field on Monday night. They'll have you covered on that front. Check it out wherever you're listening to this podcast. And finally we need to check in with our friends. Iran's at all state because mayhem on Saturdays and the falls inevitable mayhem happens on the field off the field and in the polls mayhem lives on the wind in the rain on the foot of Aaron kick and during a track. You'll find mayhem in the parking lot during tailgates charcoal. That's not totally out an in Arab football through a window a flat tire alost side view mirror etc.. All State protects. You from mayhem in the parking lot and outside it at home and away. Can't stop mayhem from happening. But you can get better protected from it with all state. The potential for mayhem during the playoff race is rampant underdogs underdogs trap games. Unexpected weather get better protected from mayhem with allstate. Contact your local allstate agent today. Now Oh onto the show the college football podcast with Herbie Dan Palmer now. Here's your host Kevin Gandhi. The gang is all back together again. We had a couple of days to let the National Championship Marinate Renate and let it all sink in. I'm sure the Tigers are still partying that is of Lsu. As Orleans was Lenora was Lit Orleans it was a really good time despite not seeing much of the sun. We had a good time this weekend. I'm sure LSU fans are still celebrating. What we witness than watching Joe Borough guys It is a true pleasure and when you look back at the numbers. It's not so much I've heard some people say it wasn't the it was maybe the worst game of his career when you look at completion at least when we talk about this entire season but four sixty three and five touchdowns Are you kidding me. He was incredible earlier first. Thoughts on what you witnessed with. LSU winning the National Championship. Well I think it's easy to look back and see that forty two twenty five and borough with yards as you said. His worst performance is still pretty productive. That's a little bit. Ah but go back to the beginning of that game and and you know the way Clemson prepared and the wrinkles that they gave them. I think it was the first three possessions fellas you all punts. They couldn't get anything going and he was running for his life. Because of the combination of players like Isaiah Simmons making plays but also the position that they were put in so they had to kind of go. I think it's very fitting in this year. Era of twenty nine thousand nine. We're Joe Brady. And Joe Borough and all those athletes made so many plays that they had to go back to the drawing board and say okay man. They're they're throwing his three one. Seven is penny coverage at us. What are we going to do? We've got to try to move here on the fly. And eventually they started to take shots down field they hit the first one to Jomar chase and they seem to find their answers and and get things going in fact he did they went from. What are we going to do or you know? We're down seventeen seven having to before the half. They're up twenty eight seventeen in the blink of an eye so that's a credit to them and it's kind of been who they really have been all year David but I think it's worth remembering not just boy. They are smoking cigars and other championship while they're dominant but they had they had to fight for this one. They had to make in game adjustments awesome. It's which makes me appreciate it that much more and by the way when when defense is run a penny defense on you and they bring all those. DB's ninety nine percent of the time. The answer is running the football right and they're like you know what we good. We got a guy back here. We'll go we'll go five wide out. We'll just chuck it around and play football. That's that's kind of amazing because that's the reason as a defensive guy. I don't get in that because I can't fit my run fits. It's really hard to stop the run in that and and Lsu is like now we're good good and just unbelievable to watch and listen we. We sell it all year long and we saw who we thought who could give you the best game and who could beat Lsu and in the end it was It was a tough task and nobody could do it. And that's why they'll go down as you know possibly the greatest team of all time and I know Kirk I've heard Kirk speak about it and I I can say you too. I just I've never seen all the pieces come together like this so perfectly now listen. They had receivers. They had a great tight and they had a back that who knew what the heck he could do. Nobody knew he could do that. And now you pair it all together with a perfect system. The perfect quarterback the perfect situation and and it was the perfect offense. It was the best dolphins I've ever seen. Jomar chase was incredible. I actually felt really bad for the CLEMSON. DB's and they had to make some adjustments. Venables did as Jamal was doing anything he wanted. And I thought their game plan and make sure Moss was involved early on to was such a big big strategic move because then you have to be responsible across. What's the middle? And then you have the outside open and that's what it felt like as the game was progressing and the offense was getting better field position. Yeah I I don't know what you guys David and I really didn't have a chance to talk after I think what you're saying saying makes a lot of sense. So even though they were in this penny. If you really go back and watch it he brent venables was overly aggressive so you know they. They had a lot of guys up tight and even told me before the game. You know it looks a little deceiving because you'd think that even against Ohio state when they played their base that's that's when Jackie Dobbins hit some creases on them. They went to that. You know what they would. At that time. They didn't necessarily go to a penny was more of a dime but they had they had three the. I'd look with three down linemen and it looks like while we can hit. Hit Him in the middle here but they F- attack with their inside linebackers to kind of fill those gaps and then the safeties teaser. Coming down as well so you you know. They kept leaving Jomar chase ingest in Jefferson and tears Marshall on islands. And you know the confidence for instance. Joe Borough has. It's like okay. Which one of my guys are you not GonNa put a safety overtop because whoever you're not gonNA put a safety over top just you know we're going to put them the slot going down field and we're basically going to take that anytime we get it so like I said it to me? This was kind of it was the very symbolic of the nineteen season. And it'll be our lasting image. Just seeing those receivers going down field making plays and reminding us of what you know. The first time I really saw that was when they went to Austin and they got challenged. And everybody thought okay. Let's see how good this new so-called LSU offense really he is and they made it made it pretty loud statement that weekend and it just carried throughout the year and and just kind of a combination. I thought In this game and by the way to fold Texas fans who think we play Joe Borough really great. That wasn't the same offense that the news continued to grow and get better in jail together and have answers and continue to improve along the season. So don't please don't send me still scores and tell me that Texas played them great and all that good stuff. ooh You don't get apple. People don't say they seriously saying Oh God yes you know how that works but listen. Another cost a caution Russian to every offense coordinator or cautioned to every football. Fan Out there. If you think you can just go five wide now and spread the ball around and have a mobile quarterback that that's pretty mobile. And you think that's the answer to solve everything. This isn't an anomaly. This is not something. We've never never seen this before. Because there's a reason because of Joe Borough not only is he accurate by the way stupid accuracy. That just you couldn't go down the field and handed the people people want better. He doesn't get rattled and that was one thing that again down. Seventeen seven getting hit a lot kirk off it's of line not protecting Liam Great. He gets hit. It's almost like he gets pissed off. You're GonNa hit me okay. Like come up. Does let's go. Let's get enroll and just you know it's it's having the answers at tight end and having the answers in the slot and having answers at running back and having all these guys that come together for the perfect fit you can't you can't say this offense next year all the sudden is going to be ridiculous somewhere else and you try to replicate. What is this was literally the perfect fusion together at the right time in the right moment that it can't be duplicated again? He can't be implicated in people. Got Up people better. Hesitate if they're GONNA do that. I'm glad you brought that up because I mean we we touched on on it but I think it's good to just kind of close off this year with just a reminder as you just did that I think it's just a perfect storm. It's the system of Joe Brady coming over from drew drew brees and the saints okay. So he brings that system. Full progression reads now for people. That don't understand what that means college quarterbacks. Most College quarterbacks quarterbacks are GonNa read half the field they're going to read that flat defender they're gonNa read man coverage they might guys that are two and three years experience they might be able to work to the middle of the field but even then you got a tied in running a crosser. The linebacker comes up. You hit maybe a bender behind that. But it's simple stuff stuff in most college quarterbacks to me there's only two two and Joe Borough who's WHO's a master's degree in this have the ability to read and comfortably off of A to B to C. It's like your phone like if you have four G.. And other people have three g you know Joe. Boroughs brain works almost like a five G.. And so when you bring in a new system and you've got five receivers out on almost every route and you've got Joe Borough. Oh who's over at the film room like an offense of analyst or an offensive assistant coach. He's a he's a graduate student. who takes all his classes online? He's honestly according to him and and Joe Brady. He's at the facility as much as Joe Brady so you have you have that. You have a quarterback that has an ability to understand every blitz every coverage that. You're going to throw at him so he's GonNa know what to do with the football when he sees the coverage in he'll go bing bing bing bank and and there there just aren't even Trevor Right now is growing in that capacity. You look at him at six six to twenty first pick overall but his mind isn't isn't yet where fifth year senior like. Joe Borough is so I'm with you. It's a perfect storm. You can't just. Hey let's go visit Joe Brady and put this offense in. It takes the quarterback. We're back to understand it and have the time to put into study the film and understand blitzes and then you need Clyde Edwards Allaire unique thaddeus moss terrorists. Marshall you need you chase Brady Show Brady will go to Cincinnati and he will. I dress with that. He has around him other than Aj Green he will take a step step back. Think about that. He's playing with better personnel and college did he'll play when he goes to the NFL. I mean I think that says is it all right there. And he's going against college defenses compared to the NFL borough lightning in a bottle twenty three years old the difference between him and Trevor Lars. We'll get the trevor in a second but I wanNA get your final thoughts on this season. It's a story book thing sixty touchdown passes guys I. It's just incredible the perspective especially who they've played we're not talking about you. Know the the old Houston. You Know David Klingler. You're just you're run-and-shoot in shoot and just throw the ball up in about the defense they the ACC is right. And and we're talking about a guy that has sixty touchdown passes is any caps it off with the Heisman and the National Jab Jab. Is this the greatest season. Is this the greatest season for quarterback. It's gotTa be right David I I mean you could put the David Klingler guys a plan. Those running shoots their numbers. Tommy Chang or somebody like that the whole put crazy numbers owners but I as you said. It's just so different man. This is such a different states. Throwing the ball downfield. It's not running. Shoot you know throwing the ball two yards downfield and and getting sixty completions a game. This is this is big boy stuff like this is throwing the ball vertically and making reads and I I. It's the best performance I've seen the best offense that I've seen not just as a guy who covers it last twenty four years twenty five years as a player going back to being a fan. I mean I thought was offense. Last year was was outstanding. They obviously weren't able to finish it off. I mean they're moments last year where they were just scoring. It will but we live in. We live in a different era right. I mean going back to the fifties sixties seventies eighties nineties. The offense is they didn't they didn't think this way they didn't attack this way and so I think it's a little bit unfair to compare offenses to going back to that Arab but in the last twenty or thirty years I can't think of anything that's been. Impressive is what we witnessed this year with. Twenty nine hundred tigers team. That'd be two four six seven eight by the way they beat all all all all of those teams Joe Joe Borough had the second. Highest completion percentage. In the history of college football most touchdown passes a history of college football most total touchdowns threw for fifty six hundred yards second-best Qbr while facing seven of the top forty defenses in the country. So I mean yeah I mean if you're a numbers guy and you yeah stuff quite good teams and shredded them but so it was definitely You know it was and it wasn't a coverage or blitz you could get them one or two times teams like David said He. I remember when I sat down with him leading into the Into the game for that feature. He has like anybody got got you. And he's like you know Grantham got me once but then he came back with the same blitz and if you see him tell him what is he thinking trying to come up with like i Mike Lees mad about it. I'm serious you tell him. I can't believe he tried me a second one so he he in a competitive way when Clemson was getting him and those first few possessions beyond just trying to win the game. He was taking that personally. Because I don't know if I've ever seen a quarterback who takes so so much pride in being able to affect the offensive line. Okay here's where the blitz is coming from if they bring one more than we can handle. I've got the answer everybody rely. He put all of that on his shoulders. So when it's not going well he's getting mad at himself he's not in. You know like like like David would get mad or you know anybody who's Super Ultra competitive. He just happens to be the face and most quarterbacks are very mild mannered. Very you know I'm GonNa and I'm GonNa just go to the sideline be cerebral. And he does that but he also has a chip on his shoulder about it and like I said in a competitive way and and then I will say this as much as we're celebrating this team. I really wasn't a big fan of the post. Game stuff the BJ stuff with the money you know the way. They handled themselves at times. If it's just about twenty nineteen great but this is about staying power right. This isn't initially line. This isn't the finish line of their program. Right I mean don't they WanNa win in two thousand twenty. Don't win twenty twenty one. I almost feel like it's all all the chips in we made it. That's it forget everything else and I don't know part of what makes Clemson Clemson. They're going to be preseason one next year. You're part of what makes Alabama Alabama is. They don't do that like surely celebrate. Sure they're happy but guess what they have freshmen. That are watching. They have sophomores. That you're watching. They care about the health of their program and so I thought they showed a little bit immaturity and just kind of like not it knowing how to handle it with the way they celebrated post game. That's just me personally i. It's this thing's about twenty twenty about coach. Oh building a massive assist program and trying to become the new sheriff in town in the SEC west and the way his team reacted almost feel like everyone's going to the NFL. Everybody's you you know acting like this is the top of the mountain which it is for this year but I don't know it seems a little bizarre to me. They can't control the O B J stuff. That's it's not about himself. Yes about them. So they can't control that. Now listen if I'm LSU. I don't have on the sidelines again for a national championship game for any big games because boroughs boroughs comment about. Hey I'm not. I'm not a student athlete anymore. Yeah it was real money like yeah like if you care about the program. Do you really say that. I don't know ten years to the statue of limitations beans and not just about this year. That's that's my point and by the way. Look at the mass exodus. I mean now nine nine of them nine of them that are going to leave when obviously the big names with Edwards Allaire Erin Jefferson but the offensive line. Everybody basically can leave and and some show Brady also. Yeah I I when I when we went into this game I thought you know what this. LSU team with two elite at an Alabama. I was like not only. Are they GONNA win. This thing that there's a really good chance I aunts that coach got some mo Jo going right now right now this is going to be around for a while and then after the dust settled on like let we get my band roster back out I see them coming back next year at all quickly. This could quickly go kirk it. It could quickly go the other direction. Yes and I'm not saying that they're going to collapse. No winds collapse to them. Nine wins back back to nine wins is what they have with less miles to that. That's what they used to have. An and next year could be closer to that and watch the the MOJO and by the way the hunger the desire yes her show her that they played with last year. Like listening to still have that. That was carried. Them you can't catch lightning in a bottle like that with an like that you can. You can get a great. Oh see but to do that. Like like Edwards. Ron told us you know how he got him. And he went to the saints to just learn some more. RPO's in the first day they're like listen. We've got a really good guy can run this and they bring in Joe Brady and said immediately. He said he started recruiting. Like that's not going to happen every single year. You're so it will be incumbent upon coach and what kind of cultured. By the way I do like the white coats. Oh handled himself. I thought he heard self. Great perfect wasn't over over the mountain top we. We're going to be here again. We got more to do and he wasn't. He wasn't like Mr Jack doing cartwheels and backflips and stuff. Because I was always excited died. He's always totally self really homed in Clemson by the way Clemson. I told all client pants Kirk. We were in the airport. We got delayed for like five hours. I know you got you got all of us. Got Delayed for for five hours in the airport with all these Clemson fans and they for some of them were upset. And I'm like listen Bro. You got automated bid next year. Do not get upset. You there is nothing in your way next year of being right back here so go ahead and book your tickets because you're not gonNA play anybody probably in the top twenty five. It's going to be very simple there and listen or they they go to south band so that that'd be that'd be good that'd be that'd be five five and it's in November. That'd be a good one hopefully but I'm with you. I think we all see Clemson setback frustration. But this thing is not the two teams walked off that field. The team in Orange is not going away Trevor Lawrence. I talked to him the other day he he's it's already like in the gym like it's almost like I hate to say this but a loss like this after twenty nine straight recalibrate little little more hunger desire little more effort in the off season. Not that they weren't putting that in but it's just human nature to kind of have now. They're going to go into the off season. He's like okay. I win. How soon how? How quickly can we get back out on the field and play again because they're not used at not just losing but in the second a half started kind of get ugly? Lsu took the neither it was forty nine twenty five. And that's just the Clinton it's something they're not used to and not accustomed to dealing with and I think preseason I think Lsu. I think Clemson will be one or the state will be probably to Alabama's GONNA be up there L. issue just because they want it all probably being the top five but I don't I don't see them being a team next year. That's going to be a team that finished in the top ten And I actually have the way too early list which came out now. Herbie nail there with Clemson being number one in an Ohio state number two Bama number three they have LSU at four four and that Oregon at number five and then Georgia. They're at six. How about ducks in Ohio State? Early next year in Eugene a home in hall take that in goodness. That's a nice nominal by the way. It doesn't organ have North Dakota state as well like that. Don't they have that on the schedules. Who We're GONNA HEAR YA or North Dakota estate? Wow Wow that is old. We didn't have to discuss this year. Justin fields would have very much been more talked about his season was re Dick euless and he wasn't Hillary yes he wasn't really even healthy down the stretch and he's GonNa come back next year with with a year under his belt with an with the top top two coordinator in college football with Ryan Day. Colin plays he's going to set the world on fire regardless of all the losses and all of the people the part for Ohio State. There's a lot of people that stayed like way. There's going to still make this defense ridiculous and this team ridiculous to and there's another team that's GonNa have hunger anger and anger and their minds and deservedly so they feel that they should have been in that championship game and you know they. I've talked to Ryan Day and some of those players players. It's much like Trevor Lawrence. They're they're already working out already. Like looking forward to spring ball already looking forward to the start of the season. So you know I think those intangibles that can really carry you into the off season and give you a lot of hunger and desire a lot of times. That's important because you don't win championships when you show audit camp in August. It's what what you do in January up to August it really separates teams and I think both those teams are going to enter the off season with a big chip on their shoulders. Yeah I got one more for you too. I think I think George is going to be really good asked here yeah I think John Dory stop talking about this Hervey for the last. What first of all he haven't Kevin can we credit I talked about Jamie Newman during the season during this last night? You're listening to the PODCAST. Though you've talked about it I just I I tell you what did he. You're talking about. A Georgia offense that did not stretch rushed the field horizontally or vertically the last several years with break INS or help them with that. And who. WHO's GonNa see is it sounds the Coley Coley Coley? That's called on the street I think he's the OC right now. And I think he's the guy that obviously I don't know that there's they're not gonNA still bring in somebody else. Changes might obviously continue to be made. But I'm talking about from the standpoint. If you're going to be a gun offense kirk got a quarterback that stationary and you've got a guy and in a running back going one way and now a quarterback that can really run going the other direction. Sure now you stretch field horizontally. How when you have a quarterback we're back can throw the ball down the field you gotta you gotTa respect the quarterback threat? You GotTa get an extra guy down and now you leave twenty one on one down field. Yeah exactly so that that's end by the way every single person except jr read back on defense to a defense. That was the number one scoring defense in the country last year. That only brings in more talented guys and guys that studied for a year and got better. I think I think the defense will be the best in the country and then you talk about an offense that it's going to be fun to watch with utilities. And they'll be the bullseye. That'll be the SEC. Team that everybody will be talking about that. They would expect to get to Atlanta. Expect to come out of the SEC. Without just on paper if you look at that team you're right. They're going to be loaded. And Georgia fans probably have no idea who Jamie Amy Newman is but they will. After they watch him quickly and spring game by the way you guys made you stay in Eugene. The first two weeks of the season September Fifth Oregon Oregon hosting North Dakota State and then Ohio state the following week. Like what a Combo to start the season. And you're right like who plays North Dakota state. Yeah exactly because if you beat them. It's like well you should beat them right and if you lose like what was wrong with you guys how did you lose to them. That's courage right there. I guess it is especially with Ohio state on the other side following week coming into town. We touched a little bit by the way by the the way on Oregon. Joe moorhead co onto Eugene all day nominal higher for Mario Crystal People can say he's Mississippi. Is it be stayed. And things didn't work out great. Okay go back to the way. He called plays with mcsorley and Saquon the receivers that they had. I think that'll be a good fit. Who The quarterback will be? I don't you know I'm sure that they'll who knows transfer portals come and go. And who knows who will be. But the system that they'll l. have the physicality in the nature great fit for Mario Cristobal. Getting Joe Moorhead. I agree he was the difference. I think for James Franklin Penn State. Ah Hurting that program around. Favoring him in the base actually celebrating what they had with James Franklin because frankly could recruit I thought moorhead did a phenomenal job with talent on the field on the offensive side when he was there with mcsorley. I'm with you there before we move on. I do Wanna get your thoughts on Ed or Jurong and you guys touched a little bit on this about what he did. That night of. I thought the most controversial thing was him saying he's going to have a ham sandwich afterwards. The celebrate because he was in the moment yet a really good time with it. How do you only have sandwich grow? Stop being a hater. No I'm not being eight or I'm saying like he handled really well when people try to test them to see what he was going to do and how he's going to celebrate and he stayed in his lane. We're talking about a guy just two years ago that CH- that lost the Troy Roy. Felt like it was it was the bottom for Lsu and now he's on top. Does this change perception of Ed Orange Iran everywhere aware or did did a lot of people. Just take him for granted. I don't know if anybody took him for granted I think like everybody in life. He he just happens to be on a big stage. You you have failure you know you go through life and you make mistakes and you either learn from those mistakes or you. Don't you know you can be stubborn. And say I wasn't wrong and I'm going to stay the same and I just need to get better players and and and have your head in the sand or you can do it. What at at Ordre on dead and kind of look in the mirror and say you know what I I was a little bull headed? I was a little immature. I wasn't quite ready. And I'm referring to the old miss job when he got his first job and he recruited well but he didn't necessarily coach well and and I think he learned from that he'd be the first one to tell you that and I think he also not only surrounded himself with with better people. I think he's just matured like anybody else would. And he's matured and he still has that fireball inside him you know. He's still he. He was kind of kidding with us. pre-game with Fowler caller. I did an interview the day before the game with the two head coaches and he asked the coaches. Is there anything you'd like to ask the other coach and this is coach. Oh telling US story. He's like man. I almost did this almost did. It's just kind of kidding around. He was but when you asked us Daboh what he would like from me and he said well Davos said to him on air. Well is there any way. You don't mind sitting Joe Borough for a quarter and Okocho coach. Oh this is the day before the game coach goes. Oh it took all ahead not to say well. We plan on sitting Joe in the fourth quarter. He goes foot now he started. We've are bursting bursting out laughing. He goes now the old the old coach. Oh would have said that he was new coach. Oh I'm not gonna say that so you know so. I think I think it gives you an idea that he's matured. He's grown up but he's still don't make no mistake. It's not like he's Tom. Landry on the sideline he's still incredibly red. Ably emotional knows how to plug in knows how to relate to. The kids knows how to get them fired up. You know. So he's different but in the same in a lot ways. He's still the same if said that he'd been right by the way they could arrest off though true story by the way that's restore you know. Listen coach Oh i like what Kirk said because we all have to fail sometimes before we succeed and I think he tasted failure. But the one thing if you ever spend Tomiko he is so dadgum intents and he cares so much and when you're a kid and you play for somebody like that that you know cares for you and has your back you five form tooth and now man you fight hard for him and he has grown up but the most important thing coach has been able to do is get guys like David Randa. Kit guys like Joe Brady. He's done a phenomenal job. Spending money on getting assistance around him and listen depot's done the same thing to Daboh hadn't done. He's he's spent money only on Venables and and obviously the Chad. Morris initially spent a lot of money on Chad Morrison then it evolved to Elliott and discovery. So those guys came in and then Scott now left but I just think that he's done a great job hiring people but he always brings the passion and energy and he is Louisiana. And that's what we talked about. All leading up and he he relates is to that state he he resonates with those folks and he does a good job of being him and being intense and but also I think you can tell from a CEO standpoint important from corporate standpoint like his answers are more coaching answers. Now they're not just fueled with adrenaline fuel with passion and he can. He's done a good job. 'CAUSE has listen. You heard him in the Post Game Alabama speech with his kids. He's he's going to be Joe and he's GonNa drop him plenty of words and inspire his guys but also knowing they went to flip that switch and be corporate. I think that's what he's done. A good job of and listen. He doesn't own that to anybody but when you do that. It takes away people's ability to run their mouth about people people and to create negatively about you. I think he's done a good job with that. I think we'll we talked about earlier. Kevin he's going to have now a new challenge because when they went into into Tuscaloosa this year it was very easy to stand up and look at that team and say eight straight no ins today and have that team just just building every week building and building and building with confidence and swagger and he knew that he had a quarterback system that could go into Tuscaloosa. Stand Toe to tone the middle of the ring with to who was injured with all those receivers? You knew it was going to be a potentially shootout. He knew that he had that team. That's great and all the way to the end. They had he had at a motivated team with a chip on their shoulder. Okay that chapters closed. We've been Selo celebrating it all year and especially the last three or four days. It's done now. Oh he's he's waking up today going to the office Joe. Brady's not coming over to the office Joe Boroughs not coming over to the office. Those other eight nine guys. That are leaving early. They're they're not coming in there to work out right so they're going to go to winter conditioning with a bunch of new players and a bunch of guys that were kind of on the back burner not to say that they can't still be competitive but college football is about pushing buttons and motivating eighteen nineteen twenty twenty one year old kids. And you just climb that mountain so the new challenge is is can he find ways to continue to get his football team not just ready schematically but ready for every team is gonNA WANNA beat. Lsu that's what makes Nick Sabin and Davos Weenie so special. They they handle that and they show up every week every year and now. LSU's Hughes being thrown into that pool and and coach is in a very very interesting to watch him and twenty twenty and beyond how he handles that and can he get his team up to face that kind of challenge. It's great question. They've got big questions especially of course a quarterback and and the offense coordinator moving on and how do they handle success and and now that the bar's raised and you guys mentioned it. Nine wins is a good enough at Lsu after what they went through this season. And how they I did it on the other side with Clemson. You know how you handle success now. How you handle defeat for the first time for Trevor Lawrence? And you'll Trevor Lawrence the remember against Alabama a year ago. We were all our jaws dropped. Because you're not supposed to play like this is a true freshman and it felt like Monday night. He looked like a true freshman. And how would you explain what we saw from Trevor Lawrence. Because listen we're not expecting a young man to be perfect. He's twenty he went twenty. Defiling you're before things and one of the things that we saw was a ton of overthrows which felt like he was trying to compete. Heat against Joe Borough instead of thirteen natural check. Dance was thirteen and instead of going for. Hey maybe maybe I'm GonNa get a little single or a double here. It felt like every single play. He wanted to say. Oh Joe can do this. I can do that. What was your takeaway from what you sell from Trevor and try to press a little too too much? My my my take was that when a quarterback plays when when Trevor Lawrence plays the way he did in last year's national championship. We're all GonNa Marvel the job that he did as a true freshman and the reality. Is that Justin. Ross did a really good job of making plays Justin Justin Ross did really good job of getting separation making plays after the catch and yet we always want to go back to the to the quarterback. This is true for any when we talk about the packers. We marvel vocal about Aaron Rodgers or the saints is true breeze but as a quarterback. You'RE GONNA get way too much credit when things go well and everyone's going to point the finger at you when things don't go well and most guys get that right. But if you really studied the film and Watch Trevor Lawrence. Yeah I think he started to get comfortable and he started the press a bit things started to try to make some in place but I think there are two things that I saw happening number one. I thought Daveramsey had a nice plan that even though he wasn't getting necessarily two. Trevor Trump was moving moving his feet. He was constantly aware especially to his blindside. Caleb on chase on was getting there. He was winning against Jackson Carmen. And he he was touching his shoulder or he was flashing around him. And that blindside. I think after two quarters in three quarters of that between the score and and feeling that pressure and the reality is honestly Justin. Ross T. Higgins. They were not winning the receivers from Clemson and the Ohio State Game Him and the Lsu game against teams that finally are willing to press them. Play man you're not gonna see that in the other than maybe Florida state now. They they had to face two teams. That were willing to say we got equal or better talent than you. We're GONNA come right up these big long receivers. We're going to pop right in the chest and try to disrupt the timing into to the credit of Ohio state that if it weren't for trevor running they would've lost that game and then a credit of Lsu. They one on the outside they shut down. The CLEMSON isn't receivers. And I think Clemson Mrs One hundred Renfro and our Scott like a guy that T- that kind of receiver that can attack and work on that slot slot against a nickel and they didn't have that much. I mean I I love Maurie Rodgers but I think he's not he's not back healthy. It looks a little heavier. I Ezekiel gets the. He'll get a lot leaner he'll take that brace off he'll be the guy that you need there in the middle next year but man all you have. Is these big long receivers. It's Cedar of Vertical Pass. Downfield are nothing you know and against good corners. David they they kinda shut that down and I think it's easy to say what was wrong with trevor over to me. It was what was wrong with the receivers not getting separation. Yeah I have. We talked a lot leading up to the game and I thought one of the things that Clemson's really missing missing is just over the middle attack the ability to attack the middle. They don't have anybody that can attack the middle of the field and you could tell it was it was a big deal and and I wondered how they would. How do they do it in the Ohio state ten? They did a good job. McQueen by the way makes a play on a screen. Pass that outside all the way on the sidelines. That probably it goes for a touchdown of if he doesn't get there but the speed of Lsu you could tell by the way. Stanley took away half the field. I mean my God oh freshman number even try just any now that sides down over there. Let's keep going the one over here on anywhere else can go somewhere else and I taught honestly watching tape or Brow Kirk. I thought eighty-eight I thought Galloway he didn't play a ton this year obviously for for Clemson but they need that tight end h back to that can attack the middle and they did it. I drive and it was a huge game. How long did he got like forty yards on that first? Big Point Twenty fifty yards on that I put I agree. They didn't have an answer over the middle of the field and an traversed Trevor's insane arm strength in the dude can throw it anywhere and you've seen his ability. You know. Next year I think the next progression for him to is more touch. You know more more touch over the middle of the field more layering the football and I I think they'll give him more routes kirk everything they run that offense is high degree difficulty. Throw and I mean there's just there's not a lot of Gimme and Joe on twin eighteen to twenty yard outside third and eight thirty nine and I and I think that's that's tough. I I do think this go ahead. David Finish up. Because I WANNA last thing I was just gonNa say Joe Boroughs throwing a million slants and a million easy throws that. Are there bunnies. That should be caught in that. Move the sticks and you get another crack to go to go down field. I think they could do a little better job of more. RPO Games in more easy plays more easy completion. The more pop passes when you do have a guy like. At and they can run the football and trevor overlords ability to run the football. Now you can really kill the middle of the field and then I take my shots. Deep on the outside of the field and they lose higgins. WHO's coming out early? Ross's Ross's back the they have those two young freshmen that are really talented Ten into that that have similar BILBO. Both the guys are kind of Long Galloway. Oh have a year to get ready in the off season. We saw glimpses of what he could do in that game. and then Amaury Rogers Gers. I think it'll be a big key in developing is David talked about between Galloway and Rogers and it goes to coming on. We'll be as important as anything for Trevor Lawrence you lose. I'm assuming come out is. He hasn't decided yet. That's that's the big. That's the big one. I'm a crippling. Is it fair to say. Ah The deadline for that. Is it next twenty okay. My assumption is he's gone and if and if he is the way they recruit they're always going to the players. Li Lin j Dickson is a very talented player. He's just not net end espn is is the key to their whole offense. He's whether no he's catching the ball to the backfield running the football yards after contact guy can do so much so if he decides to come out that that's not like oh no problem just bringing the next one. And that's that's a bit of a setback there that spot with the way the CLEMSON's restocking reloading. We know they'll be back and so so. Let's say four senior offensive lineman offense of linemen left tackle Jackson Carmen. And if you follow recruiting. They're defensive class their defensive line class they just brought in is going to be stupid so Davos targeted next year by the time that rolls around to the playoffs. Because they've they've already had you know a good solid thirteen fourteen by weeks. And they're going to be you know scrimmage that a couple of scrimmages and they'll be ready to rock and roll and ready to reload and and it really if you look at their defense. Every one of those. I think Thomas Savior Thomas going to be better next year. I thought he got heavy. I think he'll he'll tail. Drop some weight here. David you can relate to one point your career your lighter than you thought maybe tell us about how you went from being light making a lot of plays for whatever reason you wanted to get bigger than you went back down to being lighter. I think he's going through that a little bit himself. I think he wants to get down and wait to be a little bit more explosive off the the edge they have Rudolph back there foster back. Tyler Davis to freshman Jordan Williams fifty nine so all those guys return along with. Is You just said that new wave players coming in. They lose Chad Smith. They lose Isaiah Simmons. Cave on wall is Tanner Muse. But everybody else is back. I I'm guessing is. Aj Terrell announced anything with what he's doing an ounce he has neither the other way. It's Simmons has an either GonNa do it together. I did a couple years ago. Yeah Yeah they pay all stayed and came back and then spent Bama. Yeah I mean they they all have till the twenty two sides so they got four days in between and you you mentioned the schedule for them of course. ACC But circle November seven. Th You guys they may be making a trip. You know to to Notre Dame because Clemson Jason taken on Notre Dame that that would be a fantastic match. We'll see how that plays out in November summit of the year after that Clemson starts really out of conference scheduling is going to be awesome for them. I mean they're gonNA they're gonNA start amping it up big time and we've seen them in the past take on Auburn and we've seen them take on am and they got Georgia in the future. They're they're doing their best to amp up their schedule as well. I'm looking at the twenty twenty one. They've got South Carolina State Wyoming in Yukon. And we'll see if they could add some more later on before the vote we go. This has been great. You guys breaking down the game. Appreciate that I just one thing I wanNA bring up here because he has said anything to you or me Herbie but somebody somebody I know was eating at a fast food restaurant recently. Komo picture of a guy dressed up in an apron and you see his legs legs and he's holding tacos or Brio David Pollack. Do you want to share anything with us here. See you thought it was fast. It's not fast food. Thank is a casual dining appreciate. Yeah it's Barbara is by the way it's actually good healthy. They have Tofu they have actually really really really good stuff so you try to pull something and try to pull something on the hat but you were misinformed. Should looked up details cabin. So you're going to get into homes. Look up their details brother boy the real conversation please. If anybody's anybody's listening just Google David Pollack and barbary. Does you can look on twitter. I just posted something on there. Dude was the last time you what was the last time you exactly food. I don't know I don't know the last like Chick-fil-a chick-fil-a constitute is fast food and I'll eat some of their nuggets occasionally but yeah yeah. It's been a while it's been a minute late like oh five what you had before that. Now that's been that long for sweets beside the what was the last night at a ice cream cone. I don't I couldn't tell you it's been at least ten fifteen years fan of ice cream or no did you use your priority. You're If you look at pictures you can tell me a fan of ice cream and a lot of things but now what was your favorite sweet. You don't like does loves donuts. Let's in cupcakes. You know what. What's your favorite Momma used to make? That product was off two chains. It was really good. We used to do some good pies back. Mommy's to cook mom uncooked. We had a family of four and she cooked. It was a family of eighteen so so you have makeup. Cover the rest of the people that were the Kelley pollen can throw down as moderation. What anarchy Go Go to David. pollock's twitter account and check out the pick bomber. He does let me tell you. I was stunned stunned that you even walked into a fast food place or a casual dining place that serves burritos. I can't even eat there. By the way Mr Cert- Mr Mr automobile eat there. I eat chicken. Come on what are you talking about. I just thought horse to apparently because we found that a number of Harvey. Have you ever eaten horse. Because Jesse Palmer don't eat. He ate horse and that turned into a completely different conversation Asia. While we're on the air force. I didn't know you could do that. Yes her on purpose. He said it was more game than usual. Joel with my like I have never heard of it either. No I'd never even heard of anybody what country was in here. I didn't even know he said that was an option. That's crazy I I neither neither do we how we got into that conversation but Jesse gave us that information. We're like what the heck. What do we do with this before we let you go? Your boy by the way on. Twitter had so much fun in that water today. The child's did you take the puppy out. Yeah he seems so happy. Oh man that's my thing off season. I try to do it in season two. But it's like a five mile walk through the woods here in Nashville. There's this area. That's just beautiful. You would think you're somewhere out in out west like Colorado and it's about four and a half to five miles and every day I wake up. They look at me like ah going on today today today today. I mean every day and I try to do it off season five days out of the week and and Golden retrievers just love all their hope for a couple of squirrels maybe a few chipmunks dive into stream post walk and support and then they sleep the rest of the day like stuffed animals. Yeah they're they're they're they're they're living the life. Let me tell you so. Happy the video so good on twitter. He so happy in the water while drinking the water. Yeah absolutely. That's my hey it's the greatest off season enjoy the vacation time with the family. It's been great doing this. PODCAST with you guys looking forward to getting back together down the road. It'll be here before we know we'll hop together for spring ball maybe right. Oh that'd be great if we could. We'll wake up from his slumber because I know hibernates so we decided Clemson Simpson and Ohio State and Georgia and Oregon or probably going to be the team's at least early. I think Florida W sneaking around too new. That'd be for we might go back to having a great Florida Georgia game this bad this year. But we're Alabama. We might not even getting mentioned. Look at him I mean. Jeez he's poor Alabama with whom you say they're the team to beat in the SEC. West as we sit here right now yes I would too. Is it fair to say by the way I took some heat for this too by the way for this comment I made. But is it fair to say that a healthy healthy to a was the best chance to beat. Clemson I mean Lsu. Excuse me and Alabama was the best chance to beat to beat. Lsi the Christie's they came. Close I wouldn't mind seeing Ohio state second. Ohio state would have been fun to. I wouldn't mind just in fields against that defense with weapons he added Atwood. Jk and those receivers that would have been a great face said bringing the heat against Joe. Holiday Inn that fiesta bowl defensive line Sino chase gets credit so that entire defensive line was was special and Other teams in that top ten when it's never too who earlier look Oklahoma. They're gonNA see their quarterback situation with Spencer rat. Learn Penney doesn't matter. WHO's a quarterback Matt as long as Lincoln there? Lincoln's there were good score. Forty five of those have been fun and I'm sure we'll talk down the road time Yup and that'll do it. It's been a fantastic tastic year. my first time doing a podcast so I wanNA thank everybody for their patients We've had I think eighteen weeks of coverage talk in college football My favorite thing and pollock and Herbie. They've been fantastic and as well as our guests through Ivan Mazel and Heather ditch in the middle of the season Taylor. Josh wink has done a fantastic job. As producer he came in about a month into the season and we didn't miss a beat and I know that is not easy to do so big. Thanks the Taylor Ellen. What he's done for the majority of the season to make sure this podcast comes to you three times a week? Want to thank our sponsor here for today's podcast. That his allstate we'll be back next week. Jaquith executive director of the Rhesus senior. Bowl Jim Nagy with a little draft talk of our own until then enjoy the rest of the week.

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15 - Radleigh Valentine on Angels, Asking for Guidance, and How to Live a Magical Life

The Dream Detective

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15 - Radleigh Valentine on Angels, Asking for Guidance, and How to Live a Magical Life

"Welcome to the dream. Detective podcast the show that explores the the mysteries of the mind body. Spirit and my name. Is Mimi pettibone. I'm your host and this is episode. Fifteen Radley Valentine is an angel communicator. Terro Master and spiritual teacher who had had his first encounter with angelic presences at the age of five this former. CPA turned Tarot card. Reader has been on quite the journey of his own after years of suppressing and denying his true self. Rodley had the revelation the Sparkley I am and the more me that I am the happier ear and more magical my life becomes now. He helps people get in touch with their own energy and claim the magical life they were born to live. Radley's the author of how to be your own genie and compendium of magical things and the big book of Angel Tarot. He's also the creator of six Tarot an Oracle card decks including the bestselling Angel Tarot Cards. Welcome Radley thank you so much for joining me today day. Hey it's so great to be here. Well my first question in this very serious interview is uh-huh I know you're okay. We get married so why can share your last name. I well I get the. Everybody thinks that that I made that name up. You know people ask me that all the time I was like is this a stage and I was like no. It wasn't a dad's name Amos. Why did he gave me? Oh you know And and you know it's CR- gets crazy. What people do with kids? I think 'cause it's like I actually have a cousin who's named candy now. What were her parents thinking? Oh Candy Valentine and the Ballantyne Right I mean what were they. That's why it's like okay. This is just. You're just setting the kid up for like childhood trauma or maybe some kind celebrity status who knows product and I don't know actually I get that too with my name me pettibone which is not a valentine sort of. There's no like saying that's named after me but but people ask me that all the time too. It's like you can't have a unique name and have it be your real name. Yup Yep and I just love your southern draw after tell you I just might. I might pick it up because when I was two years old I had a little boyfriend boyfriend. Who was my Well he was from Texas and my mom said that I started to talk with a southern accent and she thought I might talk that way for the rest of my life so it even now when I mean anyone with any kind of accent I find it really hard not to pick it up. I don't maybe that's an an passing. Who knows I don't know and normally I don't don't necessarily have it too thick but I did just get off the phone with North Carolina about thirty minutes ago so it might be there? Well well I love it. Yeah you're right. It's not always totally apparent. But I've heard it to where I just. I think I have a weakness for southern drawl so I love it. Well let's start by dialing back. The hands of time to win Radley was just a little boy. It's kind of a known fact that you had your first Angelic Djelic encounter at the age of five and I was wondering if you'd like to share that story or any story from childhood really about how you first came to realize you had some kind of extra sensory perception. Yeah so the story when I was five is actually not a particularly really happy story But I don't mind sharing it. It's just for those who are listening. Might Think Oh. Yeah we're GONNA have this lovey Dovey a angel story. That wasn't my first one because my first story was that I was awoken in the middle of the night by my Guardian Angel Whose name is Joshua? I like to make him a celebrity and Guided to look out my bedroom window and there uh-huh I saw that my My Best Friend House was on fire and sadly he died in that fire higher but part of the Magical -ness of that experience was that I you know it was five years old. I was really really scared. I wouldn't go back upstairs to my bedroom for weeks and my mom who was very wise and very gifted to In raising kids you know had a secret that she was waiting to tell me and so she made me go back upstairs with her and she had me look out the window window. And that's when she pointed out Radley. You can't see their house from here not with your eyeballs. Right right now with your arrivals and so that was how you know. She sat me down and she's like okay. So you're Kinda like the little boy with something extra and we have to pay attention to this and and all through my life and my sister is well. My mom would be like always listen to your intuition always. I mean. She didn't say if that way. Because that's not a very southern way of saying it southern way the southern way of saying it is listen to your your dad while lie That's all through my growing up and stuff. My mom was always like this is okay and My mom was actually the Administrative Assistant to the Bishop of the United Methodist Church and so one could easily see how she might find this distressing distressing or find my fascination with things like terro or angels to be disconcerting. But she never did she she. He was always supportive of. Okay you go for it. Wow that's actually pretty unusual especially for a boy I think guys are nights encouraged as much to listen to their intuition. As maybe little girls or women you know. They're saying women's intuition what. We don't hear immense intuition so that's is pretty. What a gift that you had that that she was so encouraging well I was very blessed? I was really raised by a tribe of women. I just was. My father was absent absence and so I was pretty much raised my mom and my grandma and my aunts and just as tribe of women so I think that perhaps rules that might have applied to other little boys growing up in the South East at that time just weren't want quite a they just didn't apply to me. Wow that's pretty fortunate and probably part of the whole divine plan here for your life. It sounds like well. I'm certain of it. Yeah okay now. Let's move forward in time to young adult Radley trying to choose a career. Oh Lord yes and this is such a great part of your story that you became a certified public accountant. I did but I'm so curious out of all the things to choose from. What made you pick accounting? 'cause I mean Tarot has number so I can see awesome parallels but were there other professions. You were drawn to at that time but didn't pursue or what was it about accounting that made you choose that originally you're GonNa love this okay so This is not necessarily a story I tell every day but here we go so I actually went to college college studying music and dance. Oh really yes it is I did I did dance to and so I got through my first year of that and what I was discovering was a lot of people in tattered tights and and and and and really thin There was a part of me that just starters ago maybe this is not a great career. Move maybe I will be walking around and tattered types myself and Hungary And so I the the analytical part of me was like okay. Yeah well maybe I need to try something else. So I took some psychology classes and I was like Blah on that but I happen to have a resident assistant in my dorm. who was just devilishly handsome? Just a joy to look at and guess what he was studying accounting accounting announcing and so what a good recruiter. I'd good recruiters. I took an accounting class and I literally went into the final final exam with one hundred three average and so there was this part of me that was like I'm really good at this. And so by the time I became a senior and started to see the error of my ways I it was too late. I could not change majors again. I didn't have the money and I have this thing and one of my books how to be your own genie. This concept of time travel so I even if I could go back and change this. I wouldn't wouldn't change it But it I it actually served me very very well. I my very first job in accounting was for for a publishing house interesting. Wouldn't that be ironic and twenty years of foreshadowing Before I knew at that meant anything And and I did really well part of why I did. So well was because everybody wanted Radley to be their accountants. Because I was fun and I laughed and I made jokes and it wasn't the typical accounting Stereotype eight that you can think of and believe me those. Stereotypes exists. And so I I did that and you know and it served me well it did and US or anything else I consider. I think that I really wasn't thinking at the time. 'CAUSE IT'S A it's a big decision to make and I'm a big a big NERD. I'm big NERD and I don't just love astrology. I adore astronomy. And this this is a golden age we are living in when it comes to planetary astronomy you know. Thousands of new worlds are being found. And so I think that if I had been thinking through back then then I might have gone that route to but like I said no time traveling that worked for me and it works for me and my life right now. I have a friend who calls me the pragmatic profit and you know and so it works for me to have one foot in the spiritual world and the other foot and the material world because I can help bring those things together for other people as as well one. That's exactly what you do right. And it's kind of because of your own trail now you're helping others make a similar transition and I just want to point out you said that word profit. I've always been fascinated by that because the profit can mean somebody who can foresee the future but it can also mean making a profit. I never thought about that. That's really lever now. I never thought about that before. I guess I'm always listening for puns because I work with dreams and hunts and plays on. Words are pretty common and dreams and so I'm always listening for those so I guess if we can forecast trends trends or events maybe we can. They can help us not profit necessarily financially although that can help but to help us be better off because because of it it drives this planet. We're on so we can't just ignore it. exactly let's talk about your transition from CPA to spiritual teacher. I've heard you say that the first time you quit your job to pursue your spiritual career that it actually didn't workout and you went back to accounting. I did part of your story and I think it's so important for so many the people to hear because many people have given something they love. Go only to have it not work out financially and then most people will just kinda give up and never return to it. So can you tell us a little bit more about that chapter in your life. Sure of course so Yes I quit accounting uh-huh and and wanted to make a go of this. My heroes were Hay House Authors and My then boyfriend had had purchased me a book and that book was called born knowing by John Holland and my brothers and I were on our way to a a Mexican vacation and Mike had given me the book to read on vacation and it just literally turned me upside down and just did I felt like like Oh my God this is it. This is what I WANNA do with my life. I you know. I just read John's book and John is now a dear friend so so he knows that he had this affects in my life. How close it is and so i? The book just made me. I'm like okay. I'M GONNA do. This really is a hogwarts. It's called Arthur Finlay College. I'm going to go and you know all this stuff was racing through my head. And and so I started to to pursue that. I started taking all kinds of psychic development classes. Because I I knew I had this thing and I read Tarot cards and I talked to angels but I had no formal training you know and so it's a little bit like you know Aunt Clara okay. I love that Clara Right. There's a little bit like that. It's like you know. Oh I was really good this time and really not good that time and why do who. I know that guy's cheating on his wife. I don't want that image in my head you know and so I needed some some training and so I started getting all this training and I. I started doing readings on an online site and I really started to build that career I even moved to southern California all of this stuff and it was just just all wall wall nothing happened. Nothing happened and I was spending a lot of money but it was making any money and so I I just I got scared. I was also building a house at the same time. And it's like okay. This house is getting more and more expensive whereas if you've ever built a house that's how it happens. They just keep getting more expensive. And so I went back to work and I went back to work for the government for Gosh say and which I thought was. It seemed like a really great idea. You Know I. I thought you know you have this. This idea that government people. They work eight hours a day forty hours a week not a bunch of overtime. You know I'd get attention Blah Blah Blah. Well if I was ever ever ill suited for a job that was it. I was so badly suited for that job and they loved me and I did a lot of good things for the two years that I was there but there was literally the day that I will never forget where I walked into my office. I sat down and I couldn't make my fingers log in. I just couldn't do it and I was like I gotta get Outta here and I quit and that was the second time you left right. That was the second sometime. I quit accounting. The second time though everything just worked it just clicked and I really feel that part. The reason was maybe there was a lot of self doubt and uncertainty. The first time I quit. And maybe there was some You know sub-conscious Radley your. This is silly. What are you doing kind of rumbling? Around inside my head and the second time I quit it was like no no no second guessing. Nothing angels tell me how to make this happen. We are going to do it this time and Dan. You know a lot of that journey is in this second time. This has come up my book how to be your own genie manifesting the magical life you were born to live. That book is my heart. That is how I went about making this all work for me because when hey how's asked me to write Jeannie. They were like you need right. How you may transition happen? That was scary. Maybe I was so scared to write that book because this in my mind I was thinking. Okay I either have tapped in to the divine magic to the law of attraction to the genie within Dan. I've tapped into that and I figured out how to do it or I'm just lucky in the second one scared me to death. But but then as I wrote the book and it just Sorta came out of the easiest thing I've ever written was the right Jeanie and it just came out of me and I was like. Oh ooh this is it. This is real this this works this tapping into the divine this eminent belief in the universe. This faith that the divine adores us and wants us to live a life of joy and even the bad things that happen to us even the negative things quote unquote that occur in our life. Those things are always just little road markers to just say you're not headed in the right direction or it can also be. Sometimes you need this life lesson. Oh Gee thanks yeah right. I know who who likes the word life lessons. Let's see show of hands. Nobody but it's like you know there are certain things that are a part of the human experience. My mother passed away in two thousand thirteen. It was highly unlikely I was going to get out of this life without experiencing now. Yeah and and it was traumatic for me as have other losses been but I still look at them and go. There was purpose there. There was a reason and that reason and fuels me today. It it helps me to be who I am all of the horrible things that might have happened in my childhood. All of the difficult all things about growing up gay in the seventies and eighties in the southeast United States of America. While you're also a psychic kid not fun Easy would not change it for the world. I think that's so good to hear especially for people who are are going through their own challenges and you know your story makes me think of Rudolph the red nose reindeer sadly the red nosed reindeer. Yeah because he was different and he had to wear that stupid big black rubber no and he hated but it was to cover up who he really was and I think many of us are like Mike Him Trying to cover up. What seems like our weirdness but it's really are brilliance? It is. It is talk about that in today's talk about genie. I Guess Yeah So. That's one of the things. That's a is Polish or diamond. Show US your lights. Yes that's what I was GONNA say. The reason we use the word. Brilliant not not only to describe our a bright light but it's our genius. It's the same thing in our light is absolutely is. Yeah Yeah I love what you're doing. I love your story. I love your mission. Everything yes yes and you kind of just answered two of my questions in what you've been saying but I'm going to bring this one up anyway. 'cause there's this author called Gay Hendricks and he has a book called the big leap where he identifies. Something thing called the upper limit problem. That's what he calls it and the analogy. He gives us that. We all have an upper limit like a setting on a thermostat where we don't allow allow ourselves to go past a certain point whether it's with happiness or the amount of money we earn or the amount of love we allow ourselves to receive and I was GonNa ask if he felt like you faced an upper limit problem that first time when it didn't work out like I said I think you kind of answered that and then it's interesting. Because from a psychology perspective there would be all kinds of approaches and tools. How To get past this point point that we all seem to have of limiting ourselves but then you talked about turning it over to the divine which is one of my favorite subjects? And that's what I was going to ask you about next to is working with divine guidance. What are some of your tips for the listeners? Nurse on how best to listen to their guidance. Well step one stay awake and you know metaphorically but literally Because I think that one of the things that people have a tendency to do as they get up in the morning and they say it will if if we're lucky they get up in the morning and they say dear Rangel's helped me today give me a sign. And that is the extent of their awakeness to what is happening around them from a spiritual standpoint standpoint. Because the next thing they're going to do is they're gonNA get in the shower and they're going to start thinking about work and they're grabbing the kids throwing the kids in the car and taking them to school working all day long thinking about what Dinner GonNa be picking up the kids bringing them home feeding them dimmer putting them to bed and then saying angels didn't talk to needed all the while what was happening for real is that they they got the kids. They put them in the car and they stepped over a white feather to get into the car. And then the radio's playing calling all angels. But they're not listening. They've turned it down because they're busy talking to for their kids and then they stop and they get a coffee for four dollars and forty four cents and they go to work and at four forty four. They look at the clock and go. I need to start packing up and getting ready to go home. And they pass Angel Boulevard on their way home and billboard with a giant Angel on it and they did not see not at all because they weren't away right so if we're GONNA have spiritually connected life we have to stay away. That is one of the things that I believe. Leave has been so helpful to me. I am constantly scanning constantly and not everything means something of Roy said. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. But you know almost always something means something and and sometimes times. It's hard to understand. Why sometimes you you look at something and go? I don't WanNa root canal. Why do I have to have a root canal? What what does that even mean? Guess what I have coming up next week I you know and so I'm like trying to. I think it's like why is this happening. What does this mean for me? What what is the message? Why do I need to learn from this and it'll come to me? It will but right now. I'm just GONNA know part of being a human body I guess. Well there's there's that there's that and sometimes it's just part of being a human body but from from the perspective of somebody who believes something is always going on. I've lifetime infection right. What is that infection? What is it that isn't affecting me possibly getting in the way of me speaking 'cause I'm going to be in Seattle here soon like I had to make sure that that was done finished before four. I get on an airplane. I got to be able to talk. Yes exactly and so that infection could get in the way of what I have to say if I let it So I will do what I have to do so well that brings me back to the idea of that. Upper limit problem that maybe we're all kind of facing acing our own different challenges even along the way even when it seems to others that we've arrived. We've made it. We've exchanged some level of success in our our lives. Will you hear that even with you know this author Gay Hendricks he talks about people who've won five grammys and all kinds of academy awards or whatever. It doesn't matter. They might still oh feel like a fraud deep down inside. They might still feel like nobody really knows how flawed I am or. I'm just really not good enough or like you were saying. Maybe I just Scott Lucky you know I think we all have some degree of that. And maybe it's just stripping away layers of it as we go. I think so I mean I think that there I think that whole fraud thing we hear about that a lot and I think that there's always I mean I think there's I remember my very first accounting job which I was so blessed on words to get. That was the best job in Knoxville Tennessee. Anyone could possibly have gotten gonNa Kinda county that one and I got it. I got it and I remember going in and sitting down and saying okay. Here's some stuff that needs journal entries. Dan and I'm looking at this and I did well in accounting and I'm going Oh my God debits on the left credits on the right. I don't know what I'm doing. I just got a job in accounting and I completely lately do not know how to apply what I've learned. I figured it out. That's when a lot of people dream about being naked in public having a new job and feeling expose like they're going to find out. I don't know what I'm doing is one of the big triggers for that kind of dream exactly and so I think that so we all as we grow through our lives had come to those moments where it's like. Can I really do this. I'm working on three new card predict for hey health at the same time. Oh my God and you know it's like when I started that process. I was like wait a minute. You know one deck is a lot of work and I'm doing three at once. The other authors think I'm nuts. Oh my gosh. They think I'm crazy. And and with good reason yeah you know you have to. You have to believe and you know when you know when hey house calls and says I know you're already working on two decks but we start a third one and Blah Blah Blah. I have to say yes because I have to to look at the universe and go. You said that I should do this or it would not be in front of me. This is not the thing I say. They know to North Carolina that I was just on the phone with you know. Was it a van producer. Saying please please please come in twenty twenty now. That was a no that was like I'll come in twenty twenty one. Twenty eight twenty is book. I cannot have one more thing once the card hard disks are done and so it's knowing when the Yes and knowing when the no you know that upper threshold that you're talking about because sometimes uh-huh the upper threshold is there for a reason that's true so yeah that's a good question. How do you sense in for when the answer is yes or when the answer is a no for you to check in with your body or check in with your angels all of the above something else? It's it's it's does it feel like magic is really the answer to that question. Does it feel like magic. So magic is magic as yes I know. Keep in mind nine that of the. I'm sure you know there's four primary ways that people get intuitive information I happen to be clear cognizant so for me everything is like it's just a no wing it's just that's a yes or that's no sometimes no comes from experience because last year I had the thermostat turned to high. That's a good analogy. I did like twenty events in five countries and it was crazy and so I learned. It's like okay. That's that's it's too hot for me. That doesn't feel good. There's a lack of balance. Thank you angels. I learned that and so it's easy for me to go like this event producer her. It's near Tennessee. I need to go visit my sister. I haven't done that in a long time. That would make sense okay but not this year. You're right nothing else share. Yeah I can be yes no or not right now if you say that too right yeah right but when hey house called called me and asked me to do this their deck and they pitch this idea to me. I squealed like a five year old girl. Now that's magic magic because I loved absolutely everything about the idea of a loved and I loved the Hay House would call me and say will you do this because because that's not the way it works. Yeah usually you have to work pretty hard to convince the publisher of your own idea right exactly. Usually you pitch the idea to them. They let you know but this was them calling me and going. We had a little idea in a in a meeting. Where just thinking would you do this? And I spilled like a girl. That was magic. It's like I I will just I I just won't sleep yes I'll do it So exciting yeah. Maybe they're angels. Were talking to them to guide them to do. I'm certain of it. uh-huh I'm certain of one speaking of angels because you are an angel expert Can you tell us for the listeners. Is Are there different types of angels and if so can you tell us what they are so. There's actually the nine choirs of angels and to to be honest with you. Seven of those choirs really. Just Kinda. Don't care about you and other things to do other things to do the ones that really care about you and you should care about our first and foremost your guardian angels because Your Guardian Angels are with you. Twenty four seven seven days a week every every moment from your first breath to your last and even when you go back team spirit they go with you to guide you and to come back with you. So Guardian Angels. In my opinion are so underrated people get really excited about the archangels glamorous and sexy and and also they have very specific roles that they can be it used to us and I get why. That's great but your Guardian Angels. They're there for you. They love you there for nobody else just you. And it's so important to ask for their assistance every single day the arc angels and there are unlimited numbers of archangels that. There's about fifteen seeing the people talk about the most and the arc angels are omni-present that means that they can be anywhere and any place simultaneously Ashley. So my favorite Archangel Uriel can be with Bradley and assisting rally with something at the exact same time that he's assisting Mimi was something that the at the exact same time that he is assisting the John Holland with something and and so or Ducal Frazier Asia and so the archangels are really great but there. They don't have a tendency to hang out with you constantly. They're basically there. Because Dear Archangel Uriel oh please provide me with great epiphanies today while I do my writing or help me too emotionally from the situation so that I can transform my life likes and something specific and they'll work with you and help you with that but they're also helping other people and so there's there's those two there's also this other set of angels. It's not necessarily listed in the nine choirs that I call special project. Angels Especial Project Angels. Those are angels. Who Come in to help you during a time of difficulty or time of wonderful positive challenges That are great. They're excited. I did about like creating three decks at one and assist you. Some people call those Some of the names of people call them like angels angels of abundance or angels of romance or angels of healing. And they come in to help you for time and they have a sort of the same sort of energetic jedi field at Guardian Angels Do. It's just they're not dedicated for to you but for a particular project that's why I call them. Project objects angels so can deceased loved one. Be a guardian angel or are those two separate things apples and oranges. Apples and oranges So is your grandmother with you I have no doubt because this grandmother is with you. My mom is with me but my mom is not a guardian angel. That's a totally different. Different kind of energetic soul or creature they're not the same things and So yes your grandmother can be with you at all times. Your grandmother can be watching over you acting in this way. That feels like a guardian angel. She's not actually an angel. 'cause she's she's GonNa reincarnate in theory right. Yeah she's GonNa reincarnate. She's GonNa come back over here. Guardian Angels Are Incarnation and then reincarnating into life with you. That's why they're so helpful because they know things about your past life that you don't know they're watching you right so when it comes to asking angels for help doesn't matter what type of Angel. We talked to or asked for help with different things. If you're referring to archangels yes. Archangels have specific areas of expertise. Archangel Michael for example is is largely related to safety safety protection helping us to release energetic connections things that no longer service. He's also the Archangel that has a specialty of helping people find their life. Purpose and enacting on it Archangel Joe fell is the beauty of God. She helps beautify our thoughts to pull out negative thinking. She's also consider to be assumption. Archangel Kindle Rafael Whom God heals is the Archangel of health and healing? And so yeah. It's really the helpful. If you can like sit down learn those fifteen archangels and figure out what they do you can then call them in for help. But you've also always got your Guardian Angel standing by the thing about Guardian Angels. Is You have to unshackle them. Because we are creatures of free will and so they cannot accept in life threatening situations impede upon our free will and so it's really important to get up in the morning and say Dear Guardian Angels. Please assist me today and always all things in all directions of time that there'd be no limit to the ways in which you can assist me today angels unshackled That's nice. I had a couple experiences. I'd love to tell you about. Get Your Opinion Ryan on whether you think is angels or maybe like a grandfather somebody but one time I was driving down a main thoroughfare with only one lane gene and the whole side of the road was like parking cars parked on the shoulder of the road and all of a sudden out of nowhere. My brakes escape out and I started panicked but somehow you know there was an intersection coming up. And here's all these cars parked on the side of the road so nowhere for me to pull over but then all of a sudden before I get to the intersection. There's magically a spot where about two cars links where I could pull over and I was pretty convinced even though I had the presence of mind to think. Okay pull your emergency break but it was still pretty sure. I was going to crash into the parked car in front of me in that parking side of the road and so I pull over near this magical spot grabbed the emergency brake and the car just glided to a perfect graceful halt within inches of the parked car in front of me and another time. I was driving on the freeway about forty minutes before I was taking the exit for my destination so forty minutes of driving then I take the exit and within a block. There's another stoplight. So I slow down and when I'm almost to a stop the but still slowly really moving the car just jerks to a sudden halt and had this horrible screeching grinding sound and it turns out. There was a bolt loose in my wheel deal when they had changed the tire. They didn't tighten something so I drove for forty minutes with a loose bolt in my wheel wheel. That could have fallen off any second. When I was driving fifty sixty miles an hour? I WANNA finally pull off and slowed down almost to a stop then while The Bolt falls out in my car halts to his son Stott and I've had so many experiences like that where I'm just so going. I I have to have a guardian angel or maybe this is my grandfather or A. I don't know who or what but I'm really curious to hear your take on something like that to me. Those those particularly the first one feels very angelic to me. I feel like like it when it is Something magical that happens around material thing that that more more often feels to me. Like angels The story just felt like angels to me Because I feel like angels are a- able to let go to make that magic happen I think GRANDPA or in my case. My mom always more more often than not when I feel like my mom had something to do with my life. It isn't about moving a physical thing or a thing of physical protection. Listen it's more along the lines of for example. Getting a wonderful piece of information that I didn't know or or having a Like for example North Carolina called. Okay my mom is probably thinking you need to go home and see your sister this sort of like Inter connection but also I almost use the word intervention and I kinda feel sometimes like the people that spirit guides that are on the other side that are helping us are have tendency to intervene when something is not going right in our lives. That isn't about a material thing. I don't know if I'm saying this very well. For example let's just say if I'm trying to think I'm trying to make an example here I'll tell you here's one okay so I was in a really horrible abusive abusive terrible relationship. When I was eighteen years old I mean it was really bad and my grandmother passed away and literally the next week? I got free of that relationship not of anything that I personally did. It just magically happen and so you think she was kind of orchestrating on the other side. Yeah I think my grandmother got to heaven instead fix that you won't put up anymore fix fix that right now and I have noticed miracles. That seemed to happen when when a loved one passes over and I've always sort of had this in an impression that it's like they get to heaven and they're like or or the other side whatever word you want to use for it okay They get to the back to the other side and it's like they have this opportunity to go fix that now. uh-huh and miracles have happened in my life and my sister's life when people have passed over so I don't know if I'm saying this exactly right but but that whole thing about your car not crashing into their cars and they're magically being parking spaces and bolts that stay on at sixty miles an hour but fall off when you come to a stop that to me feels like angels. Yeah Parking spot angel. His name is Walter. You're welcome I was GONNA ask if there are car angels. Well there's well Michael. SORTA considered to be the Archangel fixing things that are broken. No matter what they we are Yeah there's a parking space angel named Walter and it works every time crazy. He likes a little bit unnoticed. This okay just a little advance. Notice is nice but if you know you're going downtown and you know you're GonNa it's GonNa be hard to find a parking space try it. My husband has been this completely convinced on this point He's a hard sell okay but he is completely convinced about Walter. He has go to one of the really congested places where I live. He just says Walter. I need a parking space and boom parking space. Yep My hi. Dad is always said universe. I'm open to a parking spot any all. I like that. That's really good. I like that. I'm open to a parking but I like that but you know I think little things like that are part of the things that help us build our faith yes and faith is so paramount paramount and having magical life it's like critical and so if we can like tell the angels you know it might seem like a silly thing. It might seem named something that you know. Why with angels care if I got a parking space first of all the angels love you and they want you to be happy but also think about the power of that if I can say well to get me a parking space and drive where I wanna go where it's impossible to park and there's a space right there in front of the building where I want to be how much more angels helped me in my life right? skiving us a little little sample what they can help us with what they can do exactly. Yeah and then okay. Here's one I feel a little sheepish. Asking US totally. ooh Fine. If you say no okay what. You've done a lot of readings for people where you identify who their Guardian Angels are. If you don't WanNa do that again it's totally totally okay. But if you have a sense for who might angels are our love to hear so the first thing that came immediately was jeon. That's a pretty name. Yeah it's G.. She is a an an a they. They like spell it out for me Jeon and this this. It's a really strong presence. But it's it's very creative. I feel like she's The Guardian Angel that works with you with your dream. Were ooh yeah. She's like scrubbing for me. She's like she has a little bored and she's writing and it's it's like I see her like beside your bed at night writing things and if feels like she's what she's writing is. What's coming out of your dream life? And then the other name. That came came less exotic Matthew John and Matthew Matthew is feels more like the project were course part out of this so it's almost like you know how we were talking about rattling having one sit in the spiritual world and one set in the material world. It's almost like John. Is there with you for your. You're fit in the spiritual world and Matthew. Is there for you for your foot in the material world. Oh that's nice. Do you WANNA manifest something. Thank Matthews the dude. Massey's the man for manifesting. Yes exactly and John is more the partner with you with your intuitive work balanced masculine and Feminine Energies. Yeah now now. Here's the totally ridiculous or silly question but maybe not who knows when you said John and Matthew a silly part of me wanted to say well. Are there a couple. Oh no no no because you do that. Angels Do not do that because angels do not have Egos Angels Do not That's we flew. That's a whole story but you know we tend to we try to humanize God and we sometimes then therefore try to humanize angels angels. You are not human so you know it's a big joke and means and I it and it's funny with aimed with stone angel that's lying and face down and people saying this is what my Guardian Angel looks like right now or you know or someone saying I scared my Guardian Angel often. I literally early when I was last in California. Had A person that worked metaphysical bookstore. Tell me that does she had no guardian angels because she sent them away when she was twelve and they never came back. Oh no and that was like the saddest thing I think anyone's ever said to me Because hey it's completely false. You can't send them away. You can shackle them but you can't send them away. They aren't going to go anywhere. You can have that belief system. You can't make your angels mad. You can't disappoint your angels. You can't upset upset them. You can't frustrate them because that's all ego stuff right. That's all ego and they don't have one Yeah pure consciousness your love peer love. Oh I love that. And you have a free meditation on your website for how to get your Guardian Angels Angel's name I do. That's so great because I know people are going to be going. I want him to tell me my guardian angels name and it's not possible for you to sit sit there and talk to everybody but if they go to Radley Valentine Dot Com. They can find that meditation. Yeah and is you mentioned one of my passions is helping people understand the messages of their dreams and how they can help us fulfill our potential and live authentic lives. So I'm I'm curious if you've ever had any dreams that have helped you on your path with decisions creativity career relationships or even any funky weird or psychic dreams that you'd I like to share with us. I always pay attention to my dreams. My dreams tend to be like war and peace I type them out. And they're like five. I pages single spaced. Oh my kind of guy crazy very detailed just all over the place. My favorite the dream that I ever ever had in my entire life was a dream. Were Joshua presented himself and a dream to me and I was about twenty two or three and in the dream I was in a a shop. I don't know why North Carolina keeps coming up today. It was on the the Outer Banks of North Carolina. And I don't know if you've ever been in one of those shops where they're seashells everywhere. Who Yes yes yeah so bins shows and you know and you could get as many as you want it and stuff and I was in this shop and I was walking around and I was looking at shells and I turned around and there was Josh and we both just? It was like bumping accidentally gentlemanly into somebody. That was one of the people. That was dearest to you of your in your life that you hadn't seen in twenty years and we're both laughing and we're crying and we're hugging each other and I woke up and in that moment I knew. Wait a minute oh no actually I should say correctly at the end of the dream. Started to realize. Wait a minute. This is not the dream this is real and Josh wink to me and I woke up what was it they gave you that sense that it was different. From from a regular dreams that it was real it was just That sudden looseness that sudden awakeness that sudden sadden awareness. That Sam getting angel bumps even telling you about it and I never cease to not do that but it was just this sense of this is real. I'm really here you're really here. We're really in this energy. In this moment we are on the same plane rain for this brief few seconds. And it's it's my favorite experience I've ever had. Oh one of the distinguishing markers of psychic dream. Is that sense of realness for a lot of people. So that's really interesting. Thank you for sharing that with us. US sure. My dreams tend to be more metaphorical than prophetic. Sometimes they are prophetic. But they're almost always I metaphor oracle four pieces of information or that word again life lessons that I need to be working for right now Mhm I think that's what most of our dreams are. But we definitely have those other kinds of encounter dreams like you described and spiritual experiences Yup there's just so many ways dreams can happen and then I have some of your Angel Tarot cars in front of me and I don't know if you have any cards in front of you. I wouldn't be surprised either. One of US could draw one two three cards. And then you could do. Maybe like a little mini reading. Give them listeners. A little message for contemplation. Sure so you have angel trump cards in front of you. Yep so I'm going to grab a all of my ex- in front of me. I have a big thing about consistency because I'm reading decks and so my decks when I'm creating creating new ones. My old ones are always right there so that I make sure that I'm consistent so let's just real quick so what we're doing is we're asking huma angels. What do people need to know right now? Two wow wow okay so this. This is unusual so I pulled three cards. And they're all the same suit so I always pay attention to that and there the soon of Arielle all right which is the equivalent in in traditional Tarot coins or pentecostals and angel to row cards the suit of earth and so the first car is ace of Arielle so as of real literally says it's your Lucky Day. It is this car that talks about wonderful opportunities that are about to come into your life life and if that sounds awesome it gets better. The next card is page of Oreo and page of our. He'll actually for people who are listening to happen to have that deck. That's actually my niece. Who is our model for that particular card for the page of Oreo and this is a card that says okay okay? You've got this great opportunity that came from the ace but it is going to mean that you have to learn you have to do research you have to study. You have to find out the bits. There's some pieces of the puzzle that will help you to be able to manifest and Oh my goodness manifest you will do. Because the last card is his nine of Arielle wish comes true. Dreams fulfilled hard work that leads to great success. And and the beautiful magical things of life coming to you so this is definitely a reading for your listeners. Ars that twenty twenty is meant to be this year where they make their dreams come true in some form or fashion and their life. Who Ray yeah right and I also pulled one card from the Angel Tarot cards it was the three of earth which is the same suit? So that's also all about manifesting that's also about manifesting with other people full you know that whole teamwork thing but also creativity the power of creativity in that card. You've got a bunch of theories putting together around Mechanical Butterfly Yeah it's a really cool picture. Yeah Yeah Steve. Roberts was the artist for that blessing. He's in spirit now but he was is a joy to work with beautiful detailed imagery. I'M GONNA post a picture of this on. INSTAGRAM sounds great yeah. People can find that at the dream. Detective I don't know if you'd be willing to take a picture of those cards you pulled in send it to me. Then I'll post those to. Of course I will do that. Oh that'd be good Yay okay and then people can see the imagery that goes with the message absolutely and then you are coming to Seattle soon to teach angels and Auras with Dougal Frazier sure yeah. It's Friday February seventh. It's going to be an evening event and you guys are going to do audience readings and then Saturday Saturday. February eighth is the angels and Aura all day workshop from ten thirty to five thirty. Do you want to tell us anything about that. Oh well the first thing I want to tell you is that to go. Fraser is the bomb. I'm interviewing him next week. I Adore Dougal. I mean we uh-huh Dugo Frazier was an instantaneous friendship for me. I could see that we could just we just crossed each other's paths and our first conversation was an hour long. We couldn't shut up I Adore Him I. I adore his husband. He is wonderful and he is so incredibly gist so talented with working with people's or as and and working with color to help people heal to help people to manifest help people to understand what is going on in this moment and yet it's with all of that boy knows about color he had never heard before that angels come in colors Um So we were talking and this event. We've we've taught this before we thought it in Austin Texas and twenty nineteen But this event was a little collector was there's an old commercial for receives Peter Better Cups where two people slam into each other and one person says you've got chocolate on my peanut butter later in the other person's is you've got peanut butter on my chocolate. I remember that one. Well that's why this hasn't basically turned into it was like Oh my God awed. Here's the archangels. Here's your experience with color. And look how they beautifully intersects and so we will be talking to people people about how to manifest how to heal how to work not only with color and not only with her own whereas and not only with other people's wars but bringing the archangels into that as as well. That sounds like a really cool workshop. I actually originally thought it would be fun to have you both on the same time and it would just be such a fun. Fund conversation new laugh La and with with my setup. The editing would have been really difficult to have people on the same track which I only have two tracks unless your audience wants to listen to an hour of Radley and Dougal laughing probably I. We're probably better that you did not do that. That's what you would have gotten an hour of US laughing. That's kind of what I figured. and which would have been great great and fun but I also thought well why not do a whole episode with each because then you know I get to talk to each view and really hear each of your stories and yeah so either way. It's a good thing I do when I are great together but there's also times when we should be separated. I totally understand that. And I'm going to put a link in the show notes for this episode on the podcast page of the dream. DETECTIVE DOT COM so people can find tickets for the show and before we go. Can you tell us how people can find you and if there are any other offerings. You'd like us to know about sure I'm all over the place you're GonNa find me on facebook. I've got three pages there. You can find me on instagram. You can find me on YouTube sube not so much twitter not a big twitter fan. nei-neither Energy I. That's like the guy with ten swords and his back back in the pool of blood. No and so. Don't do that when so much but those are the platforms on there. You can find me a radley. Valentine DOT COM sign up for my newsletter. We have all kinds of new free stuff coming that we're very excited to present I will be traveling around. I'm going to be in Lily Dale this year. I'm going to should be at Palo For Halloween which on super excited about. I'm going to be like you said in Seattle. I'm doing cruise as with Dougal Denise Lynn and Lisa Williams to Alaska so you can find all of those events on any of my little portal's I love that Portal's wait okay. If twitter is the ten of swords. What's Instagram instagram? Answering the three of Cups I love that Graham is like happy happy joy joy me too. I totally enjoy instagram. I love instagram. Instagram me too. Because the emperor gosh so true it's like taskmaster the master. That is hilarious. I never thought of it that way me either. This is actually kind of fun this What's linked in link ten What is linked in? Oh I think linked in is like the king of swords. Yeah Yeah it's all mental mental mental energy and professionalism and you know kinda dry no offense linked in people. Yeah it's it's an archetype emotionally unavailable. I love that three cups. instagram totally fit perfect perfect. Everybody's dancing and eating cake and you know whatever happy totally totally totally. Yeah Yeah and I wanted to ask if you wanted to do a card deck giveaway. Because I've had some guests like donate a book or whatever Brin than a Jewish sure. I can do that. Okay Yeah Cool. Of course yeah I'll I'll send you. Here's what I'll do. I'll send you a card deck Austin Jeanie since we talked talked about it so much. Oh my God and I'll send you the compendium of magical things. Oh my gosh. That's so generous of you know no problem and I'll find all lived. That's obviously they won't be to anybody in particular who there to yet. I okay. Well you know we're going to being those. Oh my gosh thank you so much. 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Cubs fire sale? Don't Rule out the Jay's

Jay Bird Watching

1:13:31 hr | 10 months ago

Cubs fire sale? Don't Rule out the Jay's

"And going on everybody and welcome to another edition of jj bird watching your host. This evening adam. Core and of course i am joined by my fellow co host. The two men. That make this possible craig's burden pentagon left dreamworks man claps player. Start the show gotta tell you. I've been working from home all week. I literally get used to this working from home stuff. Like i don't like it. I'll like i guess when it's that i'm at the things i need to fix all day everyday stuck at home kind of this means things. Don't get you the whole turning wrenches and wiring on yes. Of course yeah. I can't wait until i could go to an office again. Even if it's twice a week. I haven't been to an office or worked outside of my condo since may march sixteen bit on the entire time although again there has always lived at to just ben name on got for me. It's flipped since this whole thing started. I've been working in an office now. I get to work from home. So it's like. Oh this is. What the heightened like it and i like it it takes play though. I will tell you just just. This is what lo fi beats are made for. Go on youtube and just chill out to low fi. Beat absolutely that's what i do rocks everything going on when you're at work all day. Best these things they might as well just be surgically put in there just forever forever if you ask my wife. She'll say i always have anyways. Let's before we begin the show Craig brought to our attention that we had a listener question of. You're question on twitter actually Asking us about a potential starter. What was the question directly. The full question was who has a chance to ever make those as fulltime as a starter. It was the choices. Were meriwether hatch. Luciano in its from longtime listener sister with the bolt craig. Don't you take this one. I mean what do you think out of those guys. I would talk to see it. Be k- luciano honestly and it's s. Thanks i really think that hats and mary whether i really front runners in that conversation but a lot of this depends on what the blue jays actually start doing with free agent. There is really a realistic risks. Realistic off or those is. I do have a strange feeling aleph day and Yeah or less just luciano. Being the odd man out i think he had their bullpen. I really think long term that they might end up that way. But what about you better. Yeah i think there's a lot depends on what we've seen from them so far. We saw a lot of luciano in two thousand nineteen because he has rule five guy with they picked up and there was some. There's definitely some flash was a potential earlier kid had some good stuff But he's still pretty far off. I'd say i know he's had his coffee in the big leagues More than a cup of coffee a whole season in the big leagues other than injury. But i still think he might be two or three years off And by then who knows what situation will be. I could see him more as a bullpen guy myself and then if i had to rank the three guys we most of from twenty twenty i'd probably go hatches number one number two in case number three and that's no disrespect bobby to your brother Being lefty You see it takes longer for lefties to develop logger for j. Happens come into his own to longer for other guys come into their own too so I think that's the way i go hat's showed me the most i think Meriwether showed some really good stuff but again maybe he played better in the bullpen. Go out there and short one two three innings sports and just outside of every single time like which is basically felt like what he did. So yeah i'd probably go hatch meriwether. Kay lucio luciano you. Obviously we all knew the deal is that he was there just so you know he would stay on the team. He obviously wasn't ready during that whole stint in the big leagues but sort of a throwaway year. anyway. I have to go mary weather. I just trust the stuff a little bit more. I think he's got more. I don't want to say a pedigree because that sounds the meeting. I think he has more of of a natural starter kind of build to him and his stuff just scream starter. And this is no disrespect to hatch. It wouldn't surprise me either but long term. I think that's what the question was asking. I can see mary meriwether. Be a number probably a number three at best in the rotation but it wouldn't surprise me if this season if they became you know injury riddled knock on. That doesn't happen. He could slot in the number five starter. And i think it will be just fine. I'll pick up their board and get all rat. Sure we've got an alternate arrangement. But had no so if i think if you think about it in the short term then obviously luciano is the furthest away but I think if you look at long-term like say three or four years down the road. I think museum might rise to the top of the list. And that's because eventually depending on what happens in free agency depending on happens in trades independent. How good this team is guys like k. And hatched and mary weather all any of the three guys could be used as trade bait so they could be out of the organization as possible. Luciano could be used as trade bait to in the more short-term just based on what they saw but you know what if he goes up people. Didn't they saw some stuff when a stint out of the bullpen. But the more he gets it together as a starter the minor cindy looks better and better and better. That's going to be an attractive trait ship in the future. But who knows. There's so many different directions you can go with these young arms. It's it's it's exciting. It really is crazy with. You're a little muffled. Yeah i can't. We can't really hear you at the moment. Sorry dude well look up now. My better yes. I had a part of my backroom here being like three feet to my left. You sound very clear. Come through nice your laptops not half bad. it's just. I can't believe i can't use my regular stuff happens. We this american technology. What are you gonna do. I declare mannequins. Yes that's fine shenanigans on the boy be. I think that long-term me for its meriwether. You guys injured towards hatch. I get it. And i wouldn't disappointed either way I just think when it comes to raw ability and sorry ross stuff in just the the litany in the arse. I think that mary weather would would perform just a little better. I have a little bit more faith but That being said you guys want to roll into the to the topic. Yeah all right. I i thank you for the question. We appreciate the interaction. We appreciate the listenership and we most certainly appreciate the questions. If anybody at any point during the show wants to ask us questions live on twitter. Please feel free to do so and we'll do our best. I'm watching all sorts of typing going on here all right. Well if you guys have questions please let us know. But let's talk about the the biggest news. I think so far in the baseball baseball world is that the cubbies are going to blow up the ship now recently. Theo epstein has stepped down from his role with the cubs. And this rumor that the team is willing to deal quote almost anybody. I remember sending you this text message to the group yesterday guys and i said it's time to shop boys. We're going shopping. Is there anyone on the cubs roster craig that you are looking at and saying gotta get him that could help us either in the shore or long term or they're a group of players that you're interested in or like nah cubs. Magic is gone. They won the world series a couple of years back. It's not the same move on. What say ye. Greg that being said i think the cubs magic is gone. And i think that's the gone they're not gonna be able bring anything into inject that same level of interest. I don't think so you're talking about bringing you know the new guys in. Yes he's been there with the team and everything but he's gonna wanna rub everything of his own persona on that just like what we saw on the blue jays. Current madge mystique moved. And they're going to want to blow it up to the point where they get what they want and build his team. Backup guys. i don. I hate to say for cubs fans because it was so nice to watch them finally went world series and that was such a great team and yeah it was the best story in baseball in that story in baseball so to see them new nuke that up at does suck but i really do think that they need to start thinking. Know the future here and what better way to do that. By pilfering a plethora players from eighteen like the toronto blue jays is minor league organization. We talked about an extent. It's crazy extensive on this show with how much we have in the cupboard and if they go after us we're going to get something good in return regardless of who it is because there's plenty of talent as major league ready on this team and pelfrey. They're ready guys to bolster our got stuff right now and run to the world series. This could be really really good for the blue that this is just kind of like the moons lining type of thing to me right now. I'm looking at the former. mvp Either aunt chris brandt or bringing in anthony. Rizzo why not go right for their top tier and bringing that captain level player to match up with his young core. Who is obviously going to be the blue jays captains of tomorrow or now whichever way you want to call it. There's that kind of like nice veteran presence to it there. I if i had come down to it. I love the idea in kris and because i just think he checks all the boxes for the blue jays got third baseman at solid all day every day and guys i think he gets a rough bit playing in the national league central some big ballparks in that boy hits the ball pretty damn hard. Cnn him play in. The american league could be Slightly ridiculous those thirty home run seasons could add up to something pretty bountiful for the blue jays going forward if he's playing in the american league as i totally agree you know look at the potential tender candidates here guys in an will be trade rumors less to Position players one of them is kris bryant. They've a pretty big decision to make with him because the non decision is for at least eighteen point. Six million saw big chunk of change in a season where there may some surprise non tender. So there's one and then the other college forber at some point nine million. I think you look at those guys who there's gonna be. Some debate in the cubs organization is like. Look if we're going to blow it up and somebody comes to us with the trade offer for one of these guys. I think we got think about it. So i think those guys could be the most ripe for the picking but i think he absolutely go for your top tier talent. Like i'm looking at kyle hendricks and the rotation a guy who recently signed extension and is still super cheap under control For i think until two thousand twenty three or twenty twenty four and hendrix has been awesome Similar mold to review it. don't throw hard with. They rely on good movement and location with their stuff and co hendrix. Could rival marco estrada for the best changeup. We've seen on a blue jays staff like forever. 'cause hendrickson changeup Every bit as as marcus stratas was so hendrix on pitching side. Darvish option dr a little more expensive at twenty one point five. He said some injury concerns but he's really really stupid ship back ace level direction. But there's a little too many red flags at that price point for me. Is i agree. It is a little scary darvish. He'd be great ryan to pare back. The s era. The cups have a good roster worth picking Going pauling like bryan. Probably at the top of my list for position player and hendrix should be for pitcher and i know we put together trade packages last week. Four rinaldo in marquez. But let's do it for or think about probably similar. Trade package molds for Hendricks and for bryant. A law of them could probably be very similar guys. So i'm only on the cubs. I agree and you know you brought up you darvish. I'd like to stay away from that. I know you know there's a little bit of love loss and when it comes to you darvish because i remember when he was making his way here. It was heavily rumored that as we're going to be the team to sign him. And then i i remember they actually say we did have him something like that that it was reported by spn or the athletic or somebody. That's like the blue jays. Got him and then five minutes later. Oh by the way. He's on the taxes. Yeah yeah i remember. It was kind of a shock on in texas was under the radar about it. But you know that notwithstanding. I don't know how i feel about having a guy that's thirty four. That's going to command that kind of money and you're going to have him up until twenty twenty three. It would be his last season with j. I just think that the longevity is just not there. And i'd rather stay away from that. Henry's zombie someone that i'd i'd love to acquire on the asking price. In terms of trade capital prospect capital is going to be a little high rise. Me if they're going to want to dabble into some mlb be ready or be rostered players in return that are on the young side sort of like we were talking about with gloria l. Perhaps but chris brown is one that i'm looking at because it's it's a pure rental at third base spot. He can still producing still rather young. He's twenty eight years old on the contract. Is i mean if you were gonna signed just for the sake of argument. Kris bryant was a free agent and you were going to sign him for one year. Eighteen and a half sure you know they. I don't see that as a as a high risk at all. And i know that because he has just one year left on the contract that the trade capital in return is going to be nearly as high. So i'm okay with with dabbing into that. I'm sure the cubs are gonna want something of a in terms of premium and prosper capital. But i don't know that you're gonna demand any major league ready players for a guy like kris bryant do maybe if on the jay sort of walkway because of the rental i'm certainly don't think kris bryant kinda guy that will entertain an extension with the blue jays. I don't mean that disrespectfully toronto. But if you're going to make a move for a guy like brian or rizzo or hendrix. That's an all in move. Especially i don't obviously i. Don't i see this happening. You can get all three. That is a fucking all in move. And that is that is chasing a world series title So for me. I think. Brian is the one that is probably the easiest to acquire. We're talking just a rental. And for both sides to agree upon a deal rizzo's probably a guy that the cubs are eager to get rid of because he has also just one year left so our minds sixteen and a half. So maybe you can make a move for both of them and you can package something of prospect premium and return and would certainly propel your team forward. I think i got one for you. Throw in both those guys. Any of those guys are hobby by as or whoever you want to throw in albert amora junior statue. That's another one non tender with somebody that's under control. That actually doesn't increase that prospect capital. I think he's got these arbitration eligible for the next year requires i think this is his first one. Yep i recall but you know he's not anything that's super splashy but that's another center fielder or go. The next is much control with you. Got a little bit more bat with i in half would be the difference but the nice thing i think i think more i was going to end up being the igniter. I really think he is going to be that kind of guy in a lineup. Maybe as soon as this year so it'd be interesting to see what he looks like at the top of our order. Maybe with video and bishop you know are we looking to acquire guys from the cubs. That's a win now or do you think the blue jays are going to be if they're entertaining offers to the cubbies for any of their players. You think they're looking for players that have control attached to them because it. It's really hard to read this office. And what their intentions are for this coming season because the attitude at least prima facia there saying we wanna you know. Push our chips and we want to be aggressive. But does that mean they're going to be eager to acquire rentals. I'm not sure so if in are you willing to pay that prospect capital or major league ready prospects capital or majorly talent to get people with control. Brennan would you say oh. That's tough luck. I think brian could just on his own without anybody else. Attached could maybe not as high of an asking price as linder like we discussed last week but it will come close. it will definitely. There's still a lot of value there with kris bryant. I know he's coming off. Pretty injury riddled in in poor sixty game sample size but so many veterans have air not. Oh did he came off. A bad season That that's not gonna the rockies. We're gonna give them away for free. So i think brian will command a similar issue package to the ones that we discussed last week or have been proposed for linda war And if they're discussing indoor and the cubs are having a fire sale you might as well discuss bryant to the outfield. As well like the experience in left field he could probably play right field But i think left is much easier position for him. Says he just goes straight back from their base so bryant is zone. I would pay for As i said last week. I'm fine with wind door as a rental to there's no guarantee for either of them so if we're going to dabble in the rental market. I think anybody that anybody. That's a rental. It's good that can have an impact. A season could be but again. I think any trade where you're talking door or you're talking kris bryant. Where he talking any of these guys who are rentals. It starts with george springer for me. It really does. Because that's the move that's going to signal to lend door and kris bryant whichever one of the ones who go after you're gonna wanna stay here. We decided to you this past offseason. Now look we've we've added springer wave. Signed two big deals in the last two seasons. Were slowly building to a contender. And you're going to want to stay here so we're going to try and get you in the building and re sign you sell it any big move any big trade. Whatever package they give it for me. It has to start with them. Getting george springer in the building craig. I see the steam coming out of the year. Because there's blood coming out my heart. What whatever you guys all know my george springer stance i don't wanna guys infecting my clubhouse and i think we have a louis good group of guys here and that scares me. It really does. It's just a flag to me. And i don't know how much i can until i see it if i see it again. If they signed springer and you start to change your view on him. I will pay for half of your j. springer jersey. Oh okay that's even gonna be assured in my in my future. San if he's if he's the guy that propels his team forward and that's usually not the case when it comes to baseball usually very much a team effort but it. This is the type of player that can spark some sort of I dunno get just some lightning for this team. I can see springer being a guy that would attract trade candidates even though it's not necessarily up to them but they could they they chirpin the ears of management and they could say get to the jays get to a team that's contending jays And i think that would signal something. But i don't know i- reasons why you got guys like ricky henderson ninety three. Yeah yeah you know. He waved to no-trade clause. If i'm correct from the as to come to draw that year. I can't recall. I feel like there was something like that going on. Or maybe it was one of the places that wasn't on his list or something. I don't know but back to the kris bryant thing. Yeah we kind of saw. What i think could happen with kris bryant this past season and when everything is going on we saw this happened with taiwan walker. He was happy to be traded a blue jays but all of a sudden right when the season in using the playoffs. Everybody was like yep gone. Don't even think about it right. We've been seeing all over social media that he isn't anywhere near opposed to the idea of coming back to toronto all reality. It sounds like he would love to come back to toronto and play baseball. I could see that same kind of thing. Happening with bryant. If you trade for him now you maybe. It doesn't take the high end prospects. Because if let's just put this way the cubs are going for a full rebuild. Are they looking for prospects that are going to hit in the next year two years three years. Now they're going to be looking at the arou- martinez in the gabriella does and all that kind of stuff. They're gonna hit three or four years right. So i'm completely fine trading right now for a guy down the prospect line yes. They're going to be great players. I really do confidently can say that. But that's gonna get me more this season. Yeah go ahead and give it the kris bryant. I really think that audition for kris bryant would completely u-turn noam seeing goof around level so him and everything online. Did you guys ever see that video with him. Getting whipped by greg maddux dressed up man. He the guy he seems like he has that same mentality from what we've seen from boba shot kevin basil vladi that core and he would be such a key piece to that and i just think he fits the culture of the blue jays ten billion times over and i think if he got into that dugout. You while eve. So i agree. I agree that he'd be a very good fit for the squad especially with the young talent. That's on the team. it's to me. This is sort of no different than linda. And you touched on a too. I can't confidently say that he'll say great. And if i'm giving up pre if it's lower level like single a prospect pool fine. I'll take the risk but is kris bryant alone going to push the needle for us deeper into the playoffs and capitalize over teams. Like the rays and the yankees. I don't think so. I think so. I don't know that that gets done alone again. Obviously this is based on another moves but if those moves fall through and don't happen then it's kinda just fanfare at that point which is fine leg. A- it gives people more of a reason to watch the jays even though viewership wasn't necessarily been down this past season given the pandemic. yeah it was up. I just think that if you're going to do that you have to have other moves in place or that's one of the last movies that you make after you've already completed some other trades if how you feel about that brennan yeah no. I completely agree again. They get him thing. I said it starts for me with springer if it's anybody less than that for the outfield jackie bradley. Jr. with we discussed this last week and maybe even the week before. It's not enough for me to move the needle and be like i'm comfortable giving up a big package for bryant or for lindores if it's jackie bradley. Jr. but if it's springer was a all-star superstar level talent about leadoff and thirty home runs and steal some bases and then you go. And then have vlad and and maybe lindahl bryant like you're looking at six to seven feet plus you're not even into the catcher wrenching shell Absolutely it is dependent on other moons. it'll be interesting to see the next week or so if the cubs continue to throw out signals that they are going to blow it up. Which team around the mlb goes for a trade package. I and if they were to give up a bias or if they were to give a rizzo to somebody that's not the jays you take a look at the return of what the cubs getting and it is guys that are far off like you said greg than absolutely gopher like a Showdown like you can. You can start with something. A few years down the road i go martinez or a geraldo heck. We talked about luciano. Luciano's a guy who's a piece farther down the road that could be used at the like that. And make one of manila coffin stein or would richardson. I'd like to keep with richardson. But in the right deal manila coughing. Seen you're out the door rental that's a little much but we'll find out but i to your point animal you said don't you don't know what this does for this coming season somewhat understanding that move alone. Forget who we might be giving up. If you're keeping the major league roster the same you put kris bryant in this lineup. i don't know if either of you had looked at the rankings for major league baseball for the stats teams period. The blue jays where the seventh-ranked most runs scored in baseball is here in sixty games and remember how much bitching everybody was doing that first. Two weeks how he couldn't drive in the key. That's a lot of key runs. I think that kris bryant could be contributing to sport in the kind of stuff that we have so that could be the difference in the world. And that's maybe a number one ranked amount of runs scored in a season. So maybe it just doesn't come as important if you're just crushing people fair enough. But all right. Let me. let me play. Devil's advocate because this popped into my mind when you said that. How much of that being in seventh has to do with playing in buffalo. And do you think that'd be replicated in toronto plant in buffalo. Anyway you think they'll definitely shocked still with everything going out with covid in cases going out if there's anything but at least a half a season in buffalo or in any blue jay minor league ballpark for that matter but then the other catch on that whole thing is i. don't think that the roger centers deterrent bronchitis anything. And if anything. I think somebody the way that kris bryant hits hard nose line drives and some. This happened to go over the fence. Yeah i think that is going to play wonderfully in the gaps the roger center and his slut hitting the carpet and rotten. I really would be. I really. don't think there's any difference between kris bryant in buffalo and kris bryant in rogers center. Okay rest of the team. I'll make the argument that we have rowdy till is. I'm sorry is an mvp if we play in buffalo saying sell high now he is oddly. Awkwardly comfortable in that ballpark. And i'm strange. Okay with it. We're going to see for play. Recruitment purposes over the next two weeks the raptors have applied to the federal government for permission to play at scotiabank toronto if they granted that december or november then the chances of james play in toronto are going up like crazy. I'll add almost a certainty because you're gonna have rapid covid tests third available to airports from visiting teams to take when they arrive. They can probably still stay in the hotel. I'm assuming that could be an arrangement that's made to at least start the season and so going to some of the other ones And look we've got such good so much positive news about a vaccine lately. It's starting to the the distribution plans in order I would probably rank right now in a much more optimistic than i was a few weeks ago. That the chances of playing in toronto gone up to about seventy five percent. I think it will get closer to like ninety five percent if the raptors are granted permission to play in toronto so we j. fans keep an eye on the vision the government makes about the raptors rhode island. Stand up for your vaccine plan. All right let's let's move on. So i wanna move onto a another possible edition. Jays can be chasing and according to bob elliott He's reporting that the very interested to quote unquote in colton wong. After the deal was turned down so we can't really define quote unquote very interested. I don't know what that means. It could mean. Oh he's on a whiteboard that means he's married their various them or there's legitimate interest. I don't know but we can't sort of parcel whether or not he's a good fit for the blue jays. Now for me you guys know. I love kevin. He's my man crush monday. I i'd like to see him as the everyday second baseman. But if you get a guy. Like wong i certainly wouldn't scoff at the idea on so craig. Do you think that the j. should be pursuing someone like Colon wong it. Given the fact that the the second base position seems to be solidified. At least to me it is or do you think they're better served shopping elsewhere. It's shocking to me. But i think that same kind of thing that Do you have a chance to acquire good talent. You gotta take a look at it and i. I really would be surprised. If they're actually abstraction to this. I think they have too many other irons in the fire Even jump on something like this especially this soon. This is a move. I think you make if the cubs don't have a fire sale the cubs don't are the colorado's don't do anything with their guys windward goes away anything like that. Is i really. Don't i know you guys talk about it. We don't have a lot of competence in the free agent. Market rather watts right. So these guys like long. All son just became available. Starting liberty is an enticing but had a really rough year this guys with injuries and just couldn't really put the pieces together about this guy has won a gold glove. You know as much as like you said i. We love kevin video on the show and but i just know cannon video is going to play his way in with his bat and he's gonna play above average defense wherever the hell i put him on the field. So that outfielder. You know what i mean. And then you put tasker or grischuk back and right and video are back in center but video and right i think is a better fit for him then left and you just let the d. h. spot that of whoever takes at that day as an extra outfielder. Whoever but i don't unless they get rid grid check. I don't know how much getting moving that around even helps. You're just moving the whole around a little bit when adding a ton of defense at second base with us moving. Because i really don't think colin wan's offense is going to be anything different than cannabis. Yo don't and right now. Kevin visual is part of the faces franchise as far as the kids. Go and i would rather run with him. Men keep an internal. It's one thing to add that. But i don't think colton juan is going to want to jump in free agent wise to a place where he doesn't have a home right. That's the other catch of this whole thing. I think he's gonna end up honestly. I think he's gonna end up being on the giants. I can see that personally. Cold long doesn't push the needle for me too much. I it look if you go look at his thank page. He's very kind of like marcus. Stroman wasn't is ludicrous. Tenure really good year and it wasn't even really that good He was above one hundred in. Wrc plus department. I think both times at one away so average And then the other years he's been below that not much. I think the high eighties but at his ceiling those few years he got similar. Production from rank owens in two thousand fifteen. I think he's better than ryan guns. I really do There's a lot of people were better than ranko ably five. That's right you still a long if they signed great If they want him. I think they better act quickly. Because look this robinson cano news with that as it is no good for the blue jays. That's an extra twenty million for the mets to be able to spend over the next few years and by the end of connotes contract when he comes back by out Because cullen wants to win and win. Now i think the komo news puts the mets and conversations for walk to play second base. I think it puts them in discussions linder as they get put them in discussions for bryant. I think the mets are now. The biggest competitors this off season in terms of who you add because of suspension but won't excite me. i think he's fine He's had some good offensive steal Added a little bit of pop. But just i don't know where he play like play second probably primarily but he has also gotten reps in the outfield. And who's that sound like. Sounds like cabin also sounds like david exe time me. But don't worry about it and that i will have one thing on this. He's got his twitter. Handle is completely on point. I don't know if you guys knew this but it's the one i don't I thought it interesting. You mentioned the robinson cano suspension. Think i don't think all the can thing just did for. The masses opened up the pocket but virginia mayhew to play second. There you go. Yeah that's not gonna watch a shit the yankees front yard. I think by stealing him. And i don't see that any thing other than that destroyed brick money. At what mayhew. He's gonna play fine. He's used the national league anyway. He's only been two years removed. Somebody new pictures. Yeah i. I don't see this as being fit and when i hear rumours about so far these jays quote unquote very interested in player x. on their rampant these these trade. I'm not trade deadline to these The the free agency in you know everything. The rumor mill. I just think that when you see someone that draws interest that you're trying to draw comparisons or draw conclusions as a player that would fit for the blue jays. I don't necessarily see it. And maybe this is just my my fan hood bleeding into it when it comes to cabin but i just think that you're you're in fields fine the way it is. And if you wanna make adjustments for someone like dora then sure i get the argument. Or in our and auto. I get the argument. But i can't make that same sort of consolation for wong i to me. That just doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense to sort of have that Law game and other positions. Craig like you mentioning that. That's a lot of players that you're gonna have to maneuver around in order to make this work for guy that isn't necessarily elite and i can say that with confidence he's not only so there's earn ryan goi- or i it's to me. He doesn't push the needle. It's a good depth piece. It's a good piece to have on your roster if you need it and you can get it for cheap. But i don't necessarily think this this pushes anything and creates more problems than i think. The jays really can afford right now not in terms of monetary just in terms of just what their roster construction is like so for me second base if it means wong kevin key cabinet and i don't even want to mess with that. Just keep cabin there. I agree i think if long as your vr replacement. Dan you are looking pretty good to start the bench. Shouldn't they've said at the season's end. We need to improve the bench. And i think every blue jason knows how much of a weak spot the bench love after. Vr didn't improve. It didn't use terrible. He was a terrible teammate Longest signed Maybe play as much as i did. maybe primarily. He is a bench guy who comes in late in games like wednesday as as better gloves. And maybe kevin goes off to the outfield for diaz car as an example So yeah i if long is the replacement new look at that way I'm fine with that. Here's my problem with that. vr replacement. Ira think we have caught one in our minor league system and at santos. Yeah i agree. I loved what i saw from beach. I do too. He's gonna be right now. I think you look at how colin lawn played last year. Saint aspirin all. Did that already much more upside. I think he's very to surprising. Pop near the end of his minor leagues stint with the blue jays. That year too. So i'm encouraged to see what the hell he can actually do the an actual full-time bench spot in the fact that he can play second short and third signed me up. I don't see any reason why he is not on this roster to begin the season outside of some odd thing like colton lawn throwing a wrench into it more. Whoever that might be. That's my opinion pitch a little bit too. he did. Net is still one of my favorite fricking pitcher things on twitter about the fourth thing grandma. Lb position players pitching all right. so basically what. I'm picking up here guys that were not buying that there's significant interest quote unquote very interested in in colton passing on that if they do it whatever if they don't okay yeah i agree okay. Let's move on so we. We touched on potential shapiro extension before we didn't know what was going on with it when you're confident that it could happen in the near future. Well kenny ken ken. Ken rosenthal apparently is under the impression that the deals already done on. He recently reported that she indeed signed a new deal with jay's the length of which is unknown. We saw this coming. As i said the whole baseball world did as well that being said i think we can look at shapiro and atkins. They're they're tenure as blue jays management in two different Sections we can sort of branched out in the first five years. I think it was. It was all about rebuilding the farm this past year. We got think a little peek at to what they're capable of and what their drivers there's definitely been a paradigm shift as to how they're gonna operate so brennan will start with you. Do you think that this paradigm shift is going to continue as a result of this shapiro extension and that the ownership of rogers is now under the understanding. Hey look now. It's time for us to push all in now. It's time for us to get aggressive and that there is a mutual understanding that and this will actually come to life or do you think that even though the paradigm shift we did see a little bit more aggression in the offseason rather during the season of twenty twenty. I'm not confident that he's actually going to push chips in as much as anthopoulos wish. Which side of the fence do you land on here. Now i do think this is just the beginning of them pushing chips in maybe not as quickly as an top elicit but especially in the off season Look i think this off season can be very similar to the twenty four fourteen off season where they traded for josh donaldson and they gave russell martin and extra years something a topless never did. I can see that happening. And whether that's signing springer Is your russell martin and then trading floor. Lynn door kris bryant. As your josh donaldson. I could see it. Being that way look shapiro. Said this entire off season that he wants to see it through and everybody around baseball's industry or saying and ross gone and charlies gone because it seems like all of their deals kind of starting to align to the end of twenty. Twenty two I believe is under contract until the end of twenty twenty one montolio Said is under contract until the end. Twenty twenty one. The club option for twenty two. So yeah i. I do think that. Now he's gone he said look. We've done what we had to do. We rebuilt we stock the farm. Look at all this interest. We've had on our on our team. We're going to be able to acquire these impact players. So we're gonna push chips in and if we failed to win world series in a couple of years. I'm gone come onto the best thing he gets the say as we grew we We got more ratings. And we were not even in the right country if rodgers wants to boil it down to that right that's the called media conglomerate fund right. So i it's amazing how everything you mentioned there. Brandon is lining up and to run with it like that. I just don't i don't think he feels like he's that close to finishing this job and he just wants to run through it i really do and i hope that they get that chance to do everything they need to do. This offseason because like you said. I don't think it's it doesn't need to be the all of a sudden. Just dump everything into the table for pushing all the chips and you can just ride what we got and add those pieces. You know we're we're making a hedged bat instead of just you know throw it all in and hopefully get something out of it which is really what twenty fifteen was guys. It worked out gloriously. I'll admit that but come on a sub five hundred level team when all that happened to the all star break anyway right we were starting to rise up a little after the all star break and then yup birds fly man. There's a difference between a obviously what was going on with anthopoulos and fifteen and two right now because anthopoulos. I think knew he was on his way out. So why not just you know. Go all in and leave their the newcomers with nothing. I understand that's a kind of shitty philosophy. But i understand also why he did it Whereas now shapiro is just sort of coming in in again and has a brand new deal with if you think about it if this was his first tenure with the blue jays. Walking into this type of situation is amazing. You you'd be. Yeah you'd be all about it. This would be the most in demand Job in baseball. If you running for it. I do think atkins will follow suit. I think they're sort of a tandem. So i do think they're going to be at each other's hips for the remainder and i. We've touched on this before. I don't think montolio is the manager of the future. I think he's a bridge manager but that being said i do think that right. Now we're looking at a a different sort of philosophical approach that we were sort of yearning for and it's because the cupboard's full is because we have so much prospect capital on the trick now is to be able to lure those free agents. In and again we talked about the whole thing about how rogers and earn a very strong financial situation. This may be one of the positive sides of and and. I don't mean that disrespectfully at anybody that you know experience covert but i'm saying when it comes to the baseball world. The blue jays are really prime position right now and this could be the catalyst having free agency. The money's just not really there elsewhere and the loser offer me a pretty good fucking lucrative deal right now. I can really go for this and really attract those free agents. This has been something that the blue dissident been struggling for for years years. We've been hearing about this. The last well known before review the last well player designers creation. I would say was morin unless we're gonna have. Kenneth morales be that guy. But i just i don't see it but yeah i think that when you had that sort of opportunity available for you and you can literally change the the name of the foundation of this team. You can be that guy that said. Hey not only did i. This team towards the world series contention. I was able to attract free agents and no one has really been able to do that. I think that is very very very attractive. To a guy like Shapiro and i think given the situation the blue jays are in. How can you not be excited. I do think this paradigm shift for real. And i think rogers is on board with it because they see the success at the raptors they see the polls at the maple leafs sort of have all the time. It's just hockey being so popular in in canada I think the blue jays want a piece of that pie and when they got a taste of it in two thousand and fifteen and sixteen. I think they want that back for two thousand twenty one and beyond bingo. There's no doubt about it. The city was all blue jays all the time. Two thousand fifteen and two thousand six hundred and even in two thousand seventeen because the shine of the two thousand sixteen team was still rubbing off on a lot of people but Yeah it look. I was thinking about this when you were saying all that. Adam if they didn't have gm and let's say they brought in dave dombrowski how dombrowski be like. This is the most prospect capital. I've ever had to work with. I cleared the farm of boston. Cleaned the farmer detroit and those were arguably worse farm systems in the blues right now so it was deal right now. Yes exactly yeah mill. It's a very attractive position. And it's one that shapiro said see through because if he does end up leaving in five years or four years or whenever let's say they do win a world series you can go back and say look at. The team took over twenty fifteen. They just missed out on winning the world series. We patched it enough together in two thousand sixteen to make another run. We fell short. So it's time to blow it up over twenty seventy two thousand eighteen twenty nineteen a little bit of twenty twenty not really started pushing the chips in this past year. We built up an incredible contending team to start contending three seasons after following playoffs front Falling two thousand sixteen and we want world series so the way Built to is pretty much. Anybody should want their team to be built. After course don you tear down build up through good trades international free agent signings and more. And you push your chips in. When it's time to look real was just the start of that. People gotta realize that reassigning makes no sense long-term over the Over the course of his contract if they don't add more pieces and they will. I'm gonna put this out there because you actually may sound like it's great that he's here now right and it's gonna be for the next expanded future but guys we have the makings of what could be a baseball dynasty. As far as what is the fire. Hose of ricky talent throughout the system. And that's all they're doing. You're telling me that they wouldn't wanna hang out burgers to see if they hold on to guys like ranyal geraldo and everybody coming up through the minor league system. I think they wanted to be there when those guys come up. I really do and it would shock me. Honestly alana's rogers in a company. Happy to pay them that they're going to stay. I have a strange feeling that they there's something about this team and the way that they're allowed to go about their business and run with things. This could be the brian cashman pairing with the yankees or anything else going on in baseball are how the fact that maybe not. I'm the manager level. But how mike social was with the angels were millionaires in really. Could be something like that. I if you asked me the same question even a year ago two years ago. I wouldn't give that answer at all. I wouldn't even thought of it but there is something about the way that they're going about this team that they clearly love enjoy working on it and they got like brennan said they have everything. They need to work right now and they're going to be able to watch this. You know this baby bird that they watched growing away from the nest right now running away with the title. Hopefully not just that you know thinking about the potential or rather the aspect of them may be leaving down the line you know you look at. You just mentioned it. The fire hose of talent is impossible to leave these cupboard's bare it is almost impossible. Think about that. Yes you have the talent coming in to the team in exchange for the majority of the top level prospects in the system you would have a fucking all star team on the. It wouldn't even be close to what you would be able to get. So that's what i'm saying like having it's almost impossible to lead the cupboard's bare and if you have that makes the the team even more attractive to save shapiro's like i don't everything i can. I gotta go planning. Yes yes it is impossible because it's so jammed up in the system in a good way so the fact that they were able to do this in such a short period of time is amazing. And if you can consider that they were able to build it up in such a short period of time mustang tear it down in equally short period of time but how aggressive they can be in a short window. I think. I think we should be confident in that. And i know. I give a lot of shit about oh. We got to acquire this player. This player is pushing this past tampa bay for me. I'm just doing the basement. Dude i don't know but they certainly have their finger on the pulse better than i do. So if they see a window that. I can't see they've seen talent that i couldn't really see. What does this guy. Who's mary whether i don't know who that guy who's espinel whatever and they've turned into thinking okay. There's a legitimate shot. They can be for this team. That is part of this core rate. So i trust their judgment if they see a window to contend. Who am i to say. No. it's not there so two things you're spot on second. You gotta give your basement a little bit. More credit karma. I one more point. I wanna make on the whole plethora of talent thing like i mentioned this is assuming they draft like shit for the rest of their right now. They have added some really good pieces. That are already at the major league level in this goes. It's just the it's endless you know. It's not even just the what we have. And the boba shots ladies and busy os and now having taos girl the aspen. All that they acquired or You know getting the best out of rally to lies and what we've been getting out of the bullpen guys. You're gonna have the nextwave nate pearson company and then you're going to have the cloth in steen's and everybody else after that and then somewhere you've got austin martin in there so what the hell do you do with all this and like i said i think it's going to get to the point. Where they're gonna they're either gonna have the lowest payroll in baseball because they have guys that are arbitration level and they can just type in any free agent they want or they're going to be able to trade for any player they want because they always have something ready to go. And only with the exception of the outfield they have potential that every position in spades. And maybe some of these guys in the outfield. Or if austin martin is quote unquote in actual offs outfield prospect. Maybe it isn't as deep bears. I think but i will tell you right. Now are outfield. Prospects look a lot better than many many teams at baseball's now you're right man you absolutely are look the waves. They've created of talent all the way down to the lowest of low Look there's there's one name that. I read the other day in an article that i just completely forgot about as wanda paula. Because i think he is a from coming are right by that. I even has a crop on a talent because he was. The main piece came back from the giants. And he's all the way down to like the lowest low sub they have started to accumulate. Guys that low to have guys five six seven years. Like you're saying. Craig come up and continue to be like okay. Here comes more guys. We're gonna lose a few veterans. So they're going to be replaced and we're gonna continue to draft well and trade well so it'll be stopped for a while but in terms of the window. You're talking about adam. It is the race that worries me. The most over the next few years the razor incr- justice incredible talent development as a blue jays. Are they have water franco. Who's on the cops of the big level in. This guy is hyped up to be even better than vlad was hyped up to be so get that on your radar blue jays fans. The rays are not going away. They really are the yankees. Red sox will never go away because they have this endless pocketbooks but right now this current version of the yankees guys. If you remove stanton and you move judge both of whom were injured quite often twenty sixteen. The yankees are beatable. A gary sanchez. Starting flame out a little bit in their infield other than or shalah gleyber torres had an okay year but he battled injuries. And then you'll lose. Voight guy just had a career. Resurgence this past year. So the yankees. They're good. don't get me wrong. They'll always be in the conversation every single year. I don't remember the last time they had a losing season but the yankees just don't scare me long-term as much as the raise do and is because as of right now the way they're constructed the yankees are going to need to have a minor little be to fire sale the next few years stanton and judge or get maybe not so much judge but stanton is getting older and he's already been incredibly prone his entire career removed. One of those guys. They're not the same yankees they are when they're both in the lineup. So who knows this year actually scares me. Very much for the yankees. They don't they. Let's say they do flame out in suck because they don't get lemay who the judge stanton situation that you just laid out brandon happens. I don't know if you guys look ahead to what the twenty twenty one free agent market looks like. It's crazy yeah. at stockton. yankees could literally rebuild all star team by writing checks. Yes before and it wouldn't shock me if that happens again. I'm honestly hoping they actually do have china decent season this year. So that is. Don't write the frigging checks allen. But i would be shocked honestly with the way. The tree agent market starting to look around the rumor mill and everything that dj lemay. Who actually comes back to be a yankee. And he was their biggest contributing force on offense last two years. How often does that work though in baseball. Historically were you you you buy a bunch of free agents and you make a on paper all star team and you win the world series. I remember when the when the red sox signed coup was on the duke from. Yeah johnny damon year. No it was after that when you went to the yankee. Sorry why his name. Deeping now for Cursor verse. I'm talking about the two thousand ten team. I think it was that they were playoff. I forget who do. Who would i think it was the year with pablo and it was the year where they signed The dude from saint. You never should've allen correct. Yeah i think. I forget the whole raw i. It was it regardless historically. I don't know that that necessarily works out where you sign a bunch of free agents and you put them on a team when you expect him to win a championship it. It definitely works on basketball but in baseball. I just don't see it because at that point you're signing a bunch of high profile free agents. You're signing a bunch of egos. Right that are. I'd rather had the whole may talent. And i think that's been proven to work a little bit better the homemade talent that you can groom in an organization rather than just signing guys. I agree with you wholeheartedly. Even making that comment the the guys that are on the two thousand twenty one free agent roster are younger. Yeah you're going door carreira Riot crap the list is endless. I'm like oh my god. This is an all star team looking at it and it was every positions loaded. That was what was really scared. Me which in hindsight. Let's say the blue jays do pass on this year's free agent market and run into next year. They can do the same damn thing. Good they could hole. Let's say you sound on springer this year. I can't remember who it was. But i was very impressed with the guys that were available in the outfield cory. Seager is another one. Just another guy centerfield starling. Martin is the low end guy the rest the outfielders curious. This is craig. I had it in front of me. I lost but the next year is free agent shortstop market these crave korea lindor seager and story an increase. Your if i had to. I could flip one of my guys to the outfield. Just let them pepper minefield mcadoo by the way. That pitcher for the red sox. I was thinking of john. Lackey that year that they signed up and it just didn't work out was the only one that actually pictures lay out the brown paper bag that year for the most part. Yeah law season at that point All year and more or less dusted him. Didn't they i think they. I think he ended up going to saint louis But yeah i. I just i'm with you and i get that the young talent that might change the game because you're right. There is a plethora of young talent. And you look if that means that the red sox and the yankees are opening up their purse strings. Fine so be it i. I trust the talent that we have right now to sort of overcome that. That's just me being homer could be but i just. I just trust the young talent that we have. I think having the homegrown coming up through the system you know creek you know about the michael knowles happened this past year. I really do. Yeah yeah hopefully. It comes back all right. Well speaking of drafting in speaking of picking people this talk about rule five and we get into here. I think that's this friday right. Rule five draft is this. Do you see anybody. that's rule five eligible. Jays should be chasing now. I kind of want to temper expectations here. Because very rarely does a team get someone off the rule five draft and he's immediately impact. I think the most recent name that bluejays would be familiar with his job e jeannie to be someone that was a little bit more than lightning in a bottle that had an actual presence on the team for the blue jays that was impactful but there are such thing as diamonds in the rough. They happened. So craig what do you think. Do you think there's anybody out there that the j. should be pursuing or do you think our best bet is a free agent trade market. I think the best thing that blue jays can be looking for is filling out the bench. I really i think if you're looking for those guys that are in that mold of the santiago aspinall cayenne character. We were just talking to. That's where you for brown. Maybe looking for more of an outfielder if somebody that would pair well with john davis maybe is kind of what i'm thinking. I don't know who that person is off the top of my head because a lot of the forty man rosters haven't been solidified yet. They'll probably be tomorrow evening. Like always sucks. We're not referring inside thursday. Shell but to keep our wednesday seven o'clock timeslot. I'm more interested in who the heck the bluejays are actually going to hold onto. Because there's a lot of crazy names that have to possibly be protected for the whole forty man roster so i can't remember what i was thinking. The time elegant. I got the list. Here bluebird banter put this one out and they folded some of the bigger names sawadogo over the bolden named there's riley adams maximum auto lopez gabriel marino. Kevin smith odd taylor thais josh wink. Kiosque interest as young a day have Bolted there's there's a few names that aren't folded. That are quite interesting to Some that caught my eye when it went through there guys who they got from the nationals and the daniel hudson trade whatever column large agai craig. All you brought his name last week or two weeks ago a guy who made it to triple a. And twenty nineteen on other patriot kind of falls in that that zone a wink. Hausky joey murray kinda mold who may have a nice little future of but it's not like the upper echelon of arms ryan noda grand spreaker. I know he's been touched on before Warmest guy who the front office was huge on. He's kind of fallen out favorable. Bit lately it seems but they ask him tough decisions guys. There's gonna be some really players out there for other teams to claim. I think that's just a sign of how good the system is. You can't protect and keep everybody so a good arm is going to go and we saw that with romano. It's it's a miracle we got him back. Nab access in the giants. I think to right and then there was another all travis bergin who eventually got job so they add. There's definitely going to be somebody that is taken. I guarantee that could be low if he's not protected because he got close to the bigs in twenty nineteen. Yeah i think the most interesting. What is kevin smith. Yes than to see if the heat is the they see him being the prospect that they thought he was two years ago nor ran through the bottom he he looked like bob shut playing in lansing. It literally i was literally sitting in the stands. Watching the game with jesse goldberg strassler's. He was nice enough to come down and visit me for the one inning that he takes a break and we were sitting there. Chitchatting and whatnot and kevin smith literally just destroys a pitch up the left field wall and it was just one of the craziest things a lot. We literally we're talking about him before visit bat who i liked and who. He was keen on watching every night. And that was what happened and the funding the other part of that was Watching some of the other guys Trying to think of a pitcher he for the blue jays in one game two years ago as not going to help me everybody that here. Anyway i'll think of it eventually. But i do. Do you trust kevin. Smith be that good or do you expect him to fizzle out so is right now. They have to pick a expect him to be that future player. Because it really would not shock me that somebody would take a fly around him on this year rule five draft because he is closed and his defense is solid so worst case scenario guys he could be on somebody's bench so i don't see if anybody having a problem keeping him on the major league roster for a whole season and maybe that's what the thinking about doing. Maybe he's the pair up with santiago. Last mile is mentioned. We might be shopping for so. There's that argument you wanted. Rather keep him or would you rather look elsewhere. Yeah it's a good point. I think if In hindsight if the team new smith would be just a year two after they were really hyping amok traded him I think he warmth a very similar. They both were the talking points of state of the franchise or no a franchise that winter fest off years ago. I think it was two thousand eighteen winter fast or maybe even twenty nineteenth winter fast. I remember we had a podcast episode. I think you might have been our guest out him And we touched length on warmest and kevin smith about how excited we were about them in just out. They've kind of fizzled out. Since then because i don't even think warmth will be protected. And i could see him staying in the organization that i think they probably will have to protect smith But there's there's a lot of tough calls manner is for me. It's look we were just talking about how i wouldn't say jammed up with how rich the prospect pool is. I'm not necessarily concerned with any of the players coming out now. Of course you don't wanna see talent. That is robust on another team. In thrive you don't wanna see that at the same time. I think the blue jays are in a good position that there there was any year that they can sort of scoff at it. But say we're going to be okay. I think this is one of those years so again. If there's anybody coming into the organization crag ruthie were just looking for bench fodder at this point and maybe not anything that we think we'd be here long term. Maybe not someone that we yeah might not be anybody that we hold onto the whole year. And i think you're going to see a lot of that. But in terms of coming out yet i was pretty surprised to see kevin. Smith's name on there i. I know that he's been highly touted at least previously for quite a bit. And it sort of fizzled out. So i'm not really too concerned and again that might be signalling my ignorance when it comes to the minor league system but i just think we have the guys that we we know will fry with this organization and i'm not necessarily sure hundred percent that the names that were mentioning are part of that. I could be wrong and that might be misreading but this is one of those years not necessarily concerned. No i agree. look eventually. you're going to have to clear out. Some processes not going to be a home for the brave It is a simple live that on. You can keep as many as you want. But then they'll be out of jobs so they'll become bench players or bullpen arms. So i i agree. I think you're i think you're Evaluation they're adam is pretty spot on. I got a curious for you gabrielle. Merano has a chance to be basically elvis luciano for baseball team. Only years old he would be the youngest guy just like luciana would be our bray damn close to it. Are you protecting him with a plethora catcher talent that we already have on our forty man roster or just to play devil's advocate here. Do you hurry up trade. Somebody like reese mcguire flyer before the end of the week just so you get a minor league guy back and not have to worry about it but if we're talking about a guy like radio do you think that he would be able to survive on a team as a catcher. That's that's pretty. That's a tall. Ask for a whole season as a backup. Maybe is the only thing i can think of. And it would be for a team that would be a bottom feeder. I would think yeah like a like a baltimore or something and in all reality baltimore actually probably would take a risk on somebody like you know because it's the guy ceiling is literally and from what i i haven't seen him because of the minor league. Stop going on but all the tape. I've seen his defense. Lips might be on point. Enough to take a flyer. Autumn on my ra- backup. Catcher be paired with whoever caleb joseph. You know for the season and you got some guy that's literally eat up eighty percent of it and you got 'em just to be on the roster learn from somebody like that because that's the that's the problem with the catching position it marino paid any physician. No team would probably make a flyer on him if he was a bullpen arm. Or a catcher. Which that's where. I'm worried about it and with him being such talent. That's really the only thing that worries me because it's a really odd situation for somebody that young even be held out on even having the opportunity to be in the rule five draft because the bluejays aminist system says he was seventeen. So do you think. I'm pretty sure we all agree that we know what reese mcguire is. He's probably not going to be more than what he is right now. Right yes so at that. How oppose are we to just releasing. Am right now and see what the hell happened because he he can run away with even a backup job right now. So if you can't now. Yeah right now minimum. It wouldn't shock me that if you had to solidify you make this move right now just to get that forty man spot for merano kirkwood the backup catcher start season and that there is definitely certainly worse ways we could be doing our backup catcher spot without adding somebody like. We've been talking about reducing right now on paper forty man roster that would be how you would have to shake it out because you're not gonna sell on kirk by trading him right now. He's in a package or something in the odd man out. Is the lotteries sidewire right now. Yeah i agree. I d idea i get rid of him to open up before two minutes bader. Somebody just opened up spot keep him. They still do that. Marino is one of their best trade ships moving forward and if they do want to make a trade at the deadline or this off season. I think you need him in there. Because you're catching depth. Wouldn't take that much of a hit because he might still have riley albums in the system. You still have janssen. Assuming you're not gonna trade off the major league roster he's still kirk so marino Is probably your best trade from the catcher position. So i find any way to keep them here because i do think regulate a bottom feeder. Pick them up. I can see bottom figures. Picking up arms like loc- or wing hausky is another name that needs to be protected. i can see a team like the marlins the pirates just being like. Look zach go out and pitch and you will be here next year no matter what you do how bad you are. We're not contending so we can do whatever we want with you start a few games throughout the bullpen. Whatever you gotta do. We'll keep you here. And i think team could like that could do that with marino keeping back primarily claiming a few games and get enough production out of. It'd be like okay. Great you're here for the foreseeable future. I think you just said. The biggest wildcard period bench harrington era fiscal the back of his hands and now he's looking to rebuild the pirates so either he's going to be looking at us with some guys that likes in trade or he's going to be sitting there going like this come on doing daria eight. A better in the rule five draft and get so intimate that on the pirates taking a guy from the jc. Do it now. That's true you know more to your to your point craig. Do i feel super confident with janssen leadership with kirk as the backup. No but do. I feel super competent with janssen mcguire. No and i feel more calm. Yeah i feel more confident with kirk as that may sound than i do in mcguire so at that point i. I don't know that he has a future on this team. And if he doesn't them but if it needs chirping something for him yes you're getting a job prospect. Yes though i think they have to be attacking that rowan but well knock on desk assessing all right guys. 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The Sleeper and the Bust Episode: 893  Beni Deal and Volatile Pitchers

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The Sleeper and the Bust Episode: 893 Beni Deal and Volatile Pitchers

"Hello eight ninety three of the sleeper and the bus thursday february eleventh. I'm ios paul's four. And i'm doing this afternoon by justin mason. Just good afternoon sir. I mean if you say so. I mean is it a bad afternoon kind of is i'm secreting. Oh i mean not sick. i'm feeling the effects of the second covid shot. So meanwhile you're you're dealing with that freezing rain over here and little sharma the old charter the vet later. She has a little bit of a little bit of pain that she's still with right now. So you gotta get that figured out. So maybe it isn't that good of an ethnic. Maybe you're right. Yeah this is bad afternoon is garbage. let's Let's talk baseball though. Maybe that'll make us feel better. Always does i was gonna say it's pretty Pretty easy for baseball to bring us back in the mood and got a really intriguing trade here to kick off with. It was just not something that was on the radar. And it's like one of those that i didn't see a single or just this was the trade and it's It's an andrew benintendi deal and he's going to be going to the royals in a three way deal wherein franci cordeiro and josh wink. Hausky coming from the mets win. Hausky is by the way cornell from the royals. They're going to the red sox in the mets for their part of it get colle- prospect back from kc so. Let's kind of going. Order of fantasy. Relevance which i think is benintendi cordeiro and maybe lee an. I actually don't know much of anything about win. Cows cave he think he's got some some viability. Let me know Yeah probably not start with benny. This was a little interesting from the fact of wild. The sold benny kinda cheap way. It feels like yeah. Yeah i mean it feels like they sold low on him saying i mean it was a salary dumb because six point six mil this year and they get like you know. I'm looking at cathy's number now. Nothing special in the minors. He's reached high. A obviously did do anything this except at the ultimate site. Nothing particularly special there and then Freddie cordeiro and it's like why in there's like three players to be named later okay. But i mean it. It's it's restocking lower levels of their minors. Yes okay. They'll get to from casey. Want from your okay glossed over that. Pardon me there. So they're gonna get a little bit more value mm-hmm let's talk about any kind because he opens with the twenty twenty season in two thousand seventeen twenty homers twenty steals where i mean by that Little left to be desired in the slash line. While the improves the slash line in two thousand eighteen gives back a few homers sixteen homers twenty one steals but then hits to ninety with it and now wanna talk in. You'll see the next christian yelich type. That's like good and does a lot of does a lot of really good things and then can pop something. Massive was aimed at fixing things power up in nine hundred and it has the opposite effect. I goes thirteen and ten. This year was a total disaster. Fourteen bad games was done for the year. Now he's twenty six coming off is. Is you know worst effort. I don't want to call it a season's not even close. He would play the full scenes. Not let alone fourteen games. I mean this is this is a nothing blip but nineteen wasn't particularly good. Either so i guess the first question to ask is kind of the jenner on. Where do we currently stand with andrew benintendi. I'm in. I've been kind of out. i mean i. I wasn't in on him when everybody was taking him in the second round going into twenty nineteen And so i just felt like the price was a little bit overblown Pay dividends by not hurting me in in twenty nine nineteen and then obviously Saving him again. Coming in at twenty twenty and That obviously paid dividends as well to thirty and thing like i don't think his price is gonna go up because of the straight usually l. We i think it might go down. And i actually think he probably. He may have a little bit more value in kansas city because kansas city pushes it on the base paths. They were fourth in the majors last year with a forty nine stolen bases and so i mean he's gonna be i would assume he's probably gonna be leading off I think it's still going to be wit. I've even now our roster resorts mayfield moncey Sal perez carlos santana aureus alert. And then benny which fits i think he could. If he's if he's you know the peak benny if he's back to twenty eighteen to even twenty seventeen i think he rises in an can could bat second Which would be agree. It would be feasibly. Could back third. I do they like them enough that they would actually batum third if he was doing his thing to if he's playing like you know he can't not necessarily doesn't have to play like the last three weeks when he was god but if he's doing well i don't even think they necessarily be afraid about him third And then press forth in santana's solar gonna start six right now player every single day they gonna push them on the basis Coffins inherently that much worse than fenway. At least as far as lefties go because fenway's left lefty power And that's why he wanted to muscle love. Benintendi did and try to go for more homers and mess with the swing and it really took them the opposite way they mentioned so you know. I think i think parks kind of neutral situation lineup is worse. you know. we're not going to go too far to suggest that anything crazy. Like that with the star talent at the top of the boston lineup. But this is not a horrible group. That he's in there. You know all those all those five that i mentioned hitting before him are very capable players so this is not a terrible move to two-thirty is. He's someone that you're open to buying now And if he lingers down to thirty five to forty to fifty if he does trickle down he's got max to sixty one. Would you buy benintendi at this point. I mean he would need to trickle down a little bit at least for me to really want to buy it on him just because right now at. He's going the right around. Renzo kane in manny marco and even rommel top you were like and i mean i love many marco margot's been target from a season. So you've been you've been talking about him consistently if he starts falling into like the nixon's l. kole. Calhoun brandon nimmo area. And i still love nemo and he'll continue to be. It's arguing me. But i could definitely see myself ending up with benintendi. And that's like the to seventy area. The taken over mark. Hanna just on this shot that he returns. You gotta goes back to what he was in in two thousand eighteen. Which is you know. Fifteen plus hitter with you know potentially twenty twenty five stolen bases if he is lodges. Push it on the basis baths. I'm a play a little cop out. Which i keep you from doing at times to get strong answer And say i'm gonna go on needs between those who can i. I can't vibe cana- you know. He had that great breakout in nineteen but he had done a little something in eighteen as well and he was good in twenty following up the breakout. So i think he's kind of a consistently solid hitter. So if i need a little bit more. I think power. Probably lean toward cana but that speed. I think that's an interesting part. That you mentioned right off the top then with benintendi possibly running a bit more in cases where they just kinda terrible he's not some burner But i mean he's a very effective base stealers thirteen in twenty nineteen twenty one for barney in eighteen. So if he's healthy i mean. The question is health. But you assume that you know. He passed the physical to be traded. That this you know that his health is going to be fine heading into Twenty twenty one. I mean it's a really really good gamble but by the royals i really a bad bilo as somebody that i wasn't supervising vibing to now Buying low on him you know we talked about. There's a price for everybody that goes for the real life situation to of teams and this was a fair price form. Let's move on from him. Talking about france you move on from benintendi. Would there are scenarios where we draft him with. You can run a little bit more Everything else should be solid. If unspectacular on the furniture cordeiro signed going back to boston. He's been a favorite among fantasy folks for awhile. He's got his pockets of supporters. I know Claiming james anderson over at wrote a wire love him It's hard not to see the tools and and you know have that interest in the always super cheap and fantasy too so he's not even hard to really go for that said i. I don't have any real expectations for him at this point Even with just three hundred fifteen appearances in the majors. I'm not ruling out that suddenly income event. But i'm not i'm not Chasing him should be the strong side left fielder at the very least you think franci gets the play everyday or every day against right. He's at the very least in boston and can can feel a breakout. The pipe dream. I mean. Are they opening that he can play every day. Sure but the one thing he hasn't been able to do is play everyday. So i'm really able to play at all. I mean he's got sixty two plate appearances in the majors on the last two seasons. Total so Amid i don't know yes. The he has power. He has speed I question what his strikeout rate's gonna be. I mean he is a thirty five. Percents strikeout rate For career in the majors now. That's only three hundred fifteen plate appearances because he just hasn't been able to stay on the field but he had minor league major swing and misses years. So this is not unexpected for franci. This is kind of an line. like he's that he's that super tools the guy that when you see him at his best. You know clubbing. A homer going first to third on on a hit that a lot of guys one in and then throwing somebody out like. Oh my god. This guy's a monster does all that in one game or something and i was like holy smokes. Push coming up upton ask oh but like tailend when b. j. i wasn't doing anything anymore If everything came together maybe could have that that sort of that. Sort of vibe. As as a bj upton in one of his good years. But i don't know man and again. There's nothing to pay to get them. So you know three's remains of adam. Was that three sixty seven. So it's not nothing and that's gonna go up like it so we're talking about he's gonna probably go up. Let's say forty spots so like he's going to be in the oscar marcado area jock peterson. In fact since the first of this month he already is. He's next to franchise already right next to us cod. I'm thinking we're going to set mine too. It's only four drafts new draft champions from february first to the eleventh so small sample but he's already up there Senate from From mid february or mid january two. Yeah just do two months One eleven to two eleven bottom line is that. I think you're right that he's gonna be at the marco level or higher and the net does start to cost us something because i was looking earlier stuff where he caused a price in the four hundred. But as you said he's in this will move him up going to boston. People think he's going to get the opportunity. Although i don't know. I think you get a better opportunity in boston. That he was gonna get in k. C. so i mean they told us by grade benintendi forum so i mean you would think that they would give him less about. I mean he's thinking is less about him than is about him more about getting rid of that money. Which is so weird that so little. I mean these teams man. He's rich teams. They're playing or aunts. Ask us we've talked about all offseason. I know but it's discussed. I mean this is boomer bust. So like i mean you know obviously a completely different player but immune. Isn't this the david doll argument. Where like you know doug win. Healthy doll is a really really good fantasy player like france. He has the ability to be a really good french fantasy player. Sure if healthy the question is worth and we all amazon something in the majors this is true. This is all conjecture on. It's a gamble and you might not be your lottery ticket late you know. Are you a josh. Naylor guy somebody who can possibly hit twenty five thirty homers mercado. His team at that. You mentioned the call out sam hilliard. People still in on him. You know You know going up. French is gonna be near our boy. Calhoun and we're not taking franci over. Calhoun hell his new teammate. Keith hernandez down there. I think i'd rather take a shot on him getting playing time and doing some things i know. He's a little bit older and his numbers are not amazing. But i think part of that kiki not to totally change subjects is disjointed playing time. Yup i think he he was. You know he'll get a stretch of two weeks or playing every day and then he's on the bench back and forth so that's part of what rob's his numbers. I'm actually eager to see what he can do with a relatively fulltime role but anyway franci. If he's still your lottery ticket. I totally get it. I have guys like this that i stay committed to because they're so cheap so i'm not out here terrain on anybody's parade as far as that goes Let's talk about khalili prospect for casey going over to the mets. Now this was not a bad. Pick up for their part and everything You know he is a legit. He has a legit prospect. And i think there is some some upside there to to be mind. Obviously there's no rush for anything for him to to in With with the mets even though he did have a twenty twenty one. Eta in last year's list from From guang and hanging you know he's got guess raw power some got some run and field to him you know. He's an outfielder clearly is here's a little bit francesc. No yeah he's very franceschi's got our to his game maybe not as much power as franci But also maybe as much swing and miss right. So they're like little gives and takes aren't quite franci but there is some frenchie material here. Yeah i mean. I think he's he. He does have quite a bit swing missed. Maybe not quite franci ask but It is more walks to counterbalance. But whereas franchise a free swinger. Yeah i was clearly probably has similar swing and miss but at least he balances it was some walks so he can leverage that speedy at fifty three stolen bases in In aa back until nineteen. Although i will say eric mentioned in the right up last year fantasy folks. I'm not betting on ten. Yeah he's not a burner ease takes advantage. Yeah so then. Just has raspy zobeir mean. He could be like benintendi where he steals. Twani you know. Twenty twenty plus bases Just because he's the smart base runner and opportunistic on the basepaths. He does walk I mean this is again. I mean like ev. You know two or three teams like made out like bandits. it feels like you know the The royals obviously getting benintendi kind of just for nothing really mean for clearly. Who was who. Hasn't you know made his way up to the majors. In spite of the fact of like you know just torching You know so. Minor league pitching and stuff And then coolly to the mets for a prospect that they got in the stephen match train. Say when i went to look for when kaczynski couldn't even find him because he was on the jays yeah so he was one of the three prospects that the jays guy Or the as gave up for stephen matt so they pretty much traded stephen matt's for two prospects and clearly is a pretty nice little hall. I don't think league gonna be up this year at any point You know maybe they don't need. Yeah they don't know But he could you know be up And be you know a decent part of that field. So dynasty leaguers. I don't know if you can necessarily buy low on him or anything. But he's not someone. I'm afraid to go acquire even at full cost because i don't think he's going to be overly priced. People will see that fifty three stolen bases in two thousand nineteen and Go little crazy but hopefully they read eric's right up because he says be careful about Yeah about loving that. We have another move here. That i think could could be very fantasy. Relevant the perfect person to talk to about that to to let us know what you think about. It's fantasy relevance. And that. Is jake mcgee to the giants now. Mcghee had a hell of a season last year kind of a quiet renaissance. And i think perhaps that if it wasn't for daniel barreds brilliant story of comeback that That jake mcgee might add comeback player of the year. You know he was coming off well actually eighteen was the bigger dud year A nineteen was kind of met but anyway he was amazing last year for the dodgers course forty two percents strikeout rate. Four percent walk. Great wasn't allowed hits. I mean he was looking not just like vintage because again. He was so much better than that like he never had a forty two percent strikeout rate with the raise he was like it was the best he'd ever looked. Of course it was also twenty innings. Somebody by the end of the season head smooth out and would've looked like vintage jake. Mcgee back to throwing the fastball. Ninety seven percent of the time here it is hit it. I bet you can't and guess what they couldn't they and So he joins the mix over there of like four hundred and twelve potential closers. Does he become the front runner. O'meara's miranda tile rogers matt whistler or is he just part of that mix he is a lefty have a couple of other lefties. How does it shake out is this. Is this a new challenger for the closer role or is it just a depth arm to to strengthen the bullpen but then solidify one of the other guys as closer. i'm. I don't think there's going to be solid closer. This is a adler so I think you know right. Arrow resource has it with maranta taylor rogers magee and mat whistler as the closer committee You can probably throw. Trevor got into that mix as well I don't think that there is like. I don't think anybody on this team has fifteen saves. Wow okay like. I think there's a guy who have ten And i don't like guys. okay. How many winston. I don't know. I mean we were almost a five hundred team last year. I think we're going to be a five hundred team this year. So yeah probably plus guys like seven or eight. Actually i i really i. You know jokes aside. I really don't see like a sixty win squad here either. There's there is too much veteran talent for you guys to be. It's yeah we're probably a seventy win team Is i don't know i. I think this caused a five hundred squad. And i don't i mean the only thing that helps is the rockies and diamondback sock so Timing nineteen that's That's what i'm saying. Like seventy seven outside shot at At five hundred i don. I see that you know the whole lineup is like minimum thirty five years old. So a bunch of veterans trying to think. Oh my god like this for or platoon. Had this is the worst fantasy Like like people like all tied talking about how much it sucks to try to like like draft raise because there is gonna be platoons leia. They're dry. You can draft kevin guzman and improbably buster posey and. I guess you strength ski trips. And then that's it. Like i just i. This is bath stella. I wasn't going to be strong side. Platoon but i just. I like lifestyle. Yeah and he might actually play more than just strong side. I mean the three year contract. it's interesting. They have longoria. I see that in a short side. i don't. I don't see that. I think stella plays second will and brandon belts not can be ready to start the season so okay that i didn't know when when that news came out last week he he's His surgically repaired. He'll is not progressing Very fast and so there. There are concerns. I think was the clothes you will not have pain shoots through my heel when you said that like sympathy because that sounds awful. Yeah deal so. That literally sounds brutal. I think was stella. Maybe even playing i By first and then you know then longoria a third. And i don't think solano is guaranteed to hold anything only knows thirty eight thirty three season babic field for the last two seasons by leeann eighty one games of of babbitt babbitt fueled greatness in two thousand nineteen as well so you add it all up at four hundred thirty one plate appearances of three twenty eight average sustained by a four zero three bab. I think the magic runs on some point. So i could end up essentially being a time player so i still like him but to your point. There are a lot of moving pieces here. I think you take yes. Dawes and Steles as as your main guys and posey like you said especially to play posey has to get picked and everyone in a one catch league. He might not get picked. He should though i think I actually well won't catcher for It depends on I don't think he's top twelve. I actually i have my here. So i can take I have him fourteen but their immediate depends on your depth of league so in a twelve team league. You're probably not taking in twelve team one. Catch elit you're not probably not taking him you'll taken up side on guys going behind him going to pick him up if posey ends up being solid but anyway we got far afield here. I meant to talk. About ruben. innocent in fifteen team-leading. I actually would take posey Above some guys with some upside maybe over him because he's gonna play every day like he gave me not catcher but either dha first base like they're going to. He's going to play out of that. The i love it. I hope you're right. I believe i'm right I will clear a path for your victory lap on this one. But i feel like yeah like like boris show and marshall may not start the season in the majors. Mitch garber may be in a timeshare. you know You could see guys you know other guys going in that same. You know the the marlins have been looking at wilson contrary so you all farro could be out of job what. We don't know what the workload is going to be for tom. Murphy i think. Buster posey will accumulate at catcher. Which in your niebuhr formats. Catcher has real value especially when it comes with batting average which i think still will even. If it's not posey. Three hundred batting average. I still think looking at like two seventy two seventy five and that's very valuable at catcher and i think what i've heard in the past is been injuries in terms of like the real power drop off and i mean maybe the year off helps him. Supposedly he's fantastic ship. I wouldn't i wouldn't completely discount posing being. So maybe he has worth taking in the twelve You know in the twelve one catcher if you believe in him enough anyway i there's two other moves here One that just happened the other that i forgot to include Marlins sign adam duvall. I don't know i said on this show on. Twitch stream suggested this move for them. And i like when that happens. Random moves right very often. I just sometimes out random stuff and it worked at that. This is solid pickup for. This is exactly the kind of guy i think is worth getting for them. Quality defender brings some pop. They were lacking some pop even though they had some guys who can hit for homers they didn't have enough and i think at brings something that all legit thirty home run hitter with. Good defense he has flaws right. He strikes a lot he doesn't even walk is a walk all that much. But i don't know. I think i feel like these. Ben abid underrated These last couple of years when he didn't really get it he didn't do well in eighteen right. That was a disaster year after his second. Straight thirty homers season When he went to that when he went to the braves after the trade he had fifty seven plate appearances of a minus seven. Wrc blow not bad. So maybe the what's that. Is that bad this slightly bad. So maybe they weren't super geek done using them between nineteen. That's why got forty forty one games. But he bounced back and then this year he was thrust into duty fifty seven of the sixty games and he was very good so and plus. He has the defensive piece that goes with his power hitting. So i like this move for the marlins adivasi somebody that you'll consider in the in the middle of the marlins lineup. I think so. I think the defense can help. Keep him in the lineup day. i think it really hurts garrett cooper thank you know which is a bomber man. I like cooper and lewis. Brinson may not even make this team. My boy he's not very good at baseball. So that's how dare you more bad or anything by the way duval down in the range of the franci players that were talking about earlier. So he's in that same handles. Josh naylor duval mcdonagh's all day now. He'll go up a bit because he didn't have a team and it was a reasonable. He wouldn't necessarily find a team before the season started. Because that like. I said he's just been kind of seen as an extra piece that nobody really wants. But now these landed somewhere. Maybe he moves closer like Jock peterson justin upton alex dickerson. I'm still open taking him over that group too because he's gonna play. Every day jack has to do all his work against righties dickerson. Kind of does to and j. versus jammers duval. Give me the guy who's got the defensive profile who will guarantee his time via that defense. Now i don't think that's nothing. It's endanger of really losing time. Actually kinda like him on a bounceback season. But between the two i i would take vol there But i do like upton. I wanna be clear on that. But the other guys i would take duval easily peterson and dickerson. I would take a duval over them. i'm doubling over dickerson. I don't know that i take him over jock I'm not gonna take him over. Upton okay oh well update i can understand. That's coin toss for me and i. I'm i'm leaning duval but over jock. I will challenge that. Because i think jocks gonna play every day That that's a bad thing. Though that that makes his average cap probably like two thirty. Well i mean what. What's the average on duvall to thirty. So i mean he is to thirty three career but he's he's spike to sixty seven couple to forties there again. I think the cap the ceiling for jock if he plays everyday is to thirty and whereas duval i think can can spike higher plus. I think what what's the best we've seen out of peterson. We saw thirty six homer season. But other than that. He's really. i'm also kind of curious. I keep stumbling here something it won't you think he's gonna play every day. I just don't see that. Why would they playing against lefties. I think he signed there because they told him he would play over. Net legitimately bad against them. Yeah is and i mean i mean. It's only three hundred plate but because he just never really gotten the like the full shot to go against lefties but yeah no. It's three eighty five plate. Appearances spread out over seven seasons. Yeah but nothing in here suggests that like oh he just needs time to get it. Maybe it's just my love for john peterson. I love deaners into. But i'm just trying to be realistic. Twenty percents strikeout rate against them. I just don't think it's there. He does still have a nine percent walkway. that's good. He does maintain that. But i don't know i almost think that that kind of hurts him. i'll grant that maybe rating duval's average potential a little bit But the only really has the one ugly season. It was that two thousand eighteen when he won ninety five. That was awful but then to forty one to forty nine to sixty seven to thirty seven. I think any of those outcomes is higher than what jocks gonna give me and they deliver the same power. Gimme the guy who's got better average. So i just i think duval is an easy pick peterson but i understand pearson love i saw. I mean i think it will lead you astray on this one. Yeah i mean and you're probably right. That peterson is better to just not face lefties Lemon you look at stack has nothing you go. I really see. I could just like have a monster season if he you know jet. I'd love if somebody on that team like you know was a wasn't hitting guru in and knew how to unlock something from against i'm with you on the jock. Love a huge fan. he's great. mlb the show. There's my referenced. Him will be the show He might as his stats show. He's very popular in that community. So i love jock. But i just don't see it against lefties and i don't know that he's making a renaissance at at at age twenty nine. We'll say though that the day that says that it's like an open question still right. It's like ten years data and and all these plate appearances for to be statistically sound. I grant that. I understand that. But you can also use your. I'd look at what we've seen and it's a one ninety one to sixty six three ten in three hundred ninety bite appearances. I don't know what's going to change. But anyway i don't belabor that i i don't think it's egregious that you take jog just think duval better but i think that's where he's gonna wind up and mean in reverence the jock. The cubs did sign. Jake resnick today so that could be easily with a. But yeah with with jocks up or hayward. Yeah we did that hayward we've put it for a yard so but they also philip irvin on this team so they both to go through but hey was making five billion dollars so i think. I know that that doesn't always were a lot of times. It does place three more years. Twenty one twenty two twenty two Well cubs enjoy your twenty twenty. Two team built around jason. I mean i will say this is your twenty million. Are guy here. No but you know by war. He's been sixteen fourteen. Mary defensive player yet in his defense is still carrying and his offense has been above average the last three seasons eighteen nineteen and twenty again fifty game season for him. This plus a one thirty one last year. It was really really good hitting well now probably with a smooth back out to you know like a one zero eight one ten level over the course of a full season but hey he was playing. Well i love hayward too. I got a soft spot for him. So i've always rushing to defend him but one other moved. That just came across the wire that could have interest especially in our depth of league it's so rockies it's unbelievable They signed greg bird to mind now again. This doesn't really move the needle all that much but A he had his love. He hadn't he his proponents big time for years in new york because he showed some different flashes at times Of just excellent power legitimately you know middle of the order power Like i said in small flashes you know like it was like a playoff run one point. It was forty six games in two thousand fifteen. Now we're going all the way back to their so. I'm not putting a lot of stock in this. But he is twenty eight is going to coors and like i said because he's twenty eight the play time for them to pick him up and take Take take some time away from somebody although I thought josh fuentes was younger. I didn't know a whole lot about him until air nado is trending. He's twenty eight as well. We talked about him on sunday. Yes not there blocking some uber prospect. So what do you think bird bones. You're in the lobbies fifty rounders giving him any now. He's now the second look now. He's not on any of my can be on any of mine teams like scared. I see what you did. Our bird right see Yeah no i mean. He hasn't had a batting average above his own. Way since two thousand fifteen. So i mean his highest batting average since twenty. Fifteen is one ninety nine his highest batting average. And you're suggesting on this show that that's he's got our like he and you know maybe the babbitt adjustment you get in coors having that huge outfield helps him out like he's dead but he can't make a player i mean with like ryan mcmahon and hamson. Like you know if you needed any more proof which you shouldn't 'cause been proven many moons ago but course cannot make a buyer can help an individual season quite a bit but it cannot not make a player year in year out You know unless they have the talent to be good. Yeah i mean i just. I don't think it's ever gonna have donald. I with you a guy you monitor in the minor leagues probably not even making the opening day roster is be true probably gone down to aaa and he's crushing and aaa though i mean what are they. Are they plan now. Is it albuquerque ot think. It's i think i think it is. I don't think it's it's not springs anymore. I think colorado springs was actually dumped into like a ball because people didn't wanna play because it was so wild Yeah i think albuquerque is correct. Which is it's a launching pad in itself so yet anywhere is gonna be. I mean he's a guy you throw a few bucks on if you think he's coming up In deeper league or something like that. But i mean. I have no expectations for greg bird. Which which is consistent which where i've been on him his entire career for yet you can watch greg bird. But i wouldn't even get cute with in a fifty round. Or i don't think i don't really see. Let's get back into some pitching here. Keep going down are starting pitcher list. Because we're still in a in an area with a lot of intrigue like there's still some some guys who will who will make or break seasons If they if they go the right way. I guess that would be made if they go the right way or break if they if go the wrong way. Let's start with zach eflin out in pittsburgh. Is he going to build on on his little. Twenty breakout right. 'cause that's the thing when we take in these tiny seasons you can't put too much stock into them so you say okay look it's a little stair step can build on it's a stepping stool isn't a stepping stone the more because he's shot up his his Strikeout rate by eleven points to twenty nine percent kept his already strong walk rates in fact shaved it down. A smidge from the decimal doesn't matter but from six point eight to six point one so you know he's done that six percent seven percent range which is great Own run still an issue at one point two but down from one point four back in twenty nineteen. Don't know that that's enough to be like. Oh he improved his his home run rate but he wound up with the three fifty sierra on a three hundred seventy or eighty one twenty seven whip and we saw flashes in twenty nineteen two and he just couldn't couldn't be consistent ephron had some major blow up starts d. See anything from the twenty that says. Hey there's there's a corner turned here or was it a hot. You know fifty nine ending. Run of standard zach. When kind of the way that. I feel like Tasker disease breakout was just kind of a hotter stretch of tasker hernandez that would have smoothed out over the course of a full season. Dc that for eflin or does he does a stepping stone into something big for twenty twenty one. I think. I mean. I don't know that he's going to have this. Massive breakout but like this is a little bit of Definitely not in the same way. But lance lance lynn. Remember when he got traded to the yankees and all of sudden changes and then he was really good and nobody noticed yes because Got blown up a little bit but then horse skills were disgusting. He'd put up like Yes sixty one strikeouts. Fourteen walks in fifty four innings. But he had a fourteen year as in one thirty. Three whips are kind of just glossed over it. Yeah i mean. Since the beginning of august and twenty nineteen through you know all of last season. He's been really really good. Three fifty seven flint hazards. Yes effort has three fifty six. The ira You know Almost strikeout inning. One hundred eight point two innings over eighteen starts and i think four relief appearances You look at the the values on the curve and the fast ball They're they're you know plus and the sliders actually plays about average Hind of buying into a little bit on this. I haven't gotten him anywhere yet. but yeah i am. I'm i'm kind of in that. This is a a little bit of a concrete. You look at the hard. Hit percentage under twenty five percent Last season Does a really good job of limiting hard contact getting too di di di gregorio back In that infield i think is gonna help to with his. You know almost fifty percent ground ball rate like i said. I don't think he's a guy who's nicely going to take a big step forward. But i don't see any reason to believe he can't reap he what he did last year or improve on it a little bit and be like three sky. Yeah i take a full season of like a three seventy automatic win. If you thinking said there You know he did throw ninety four now for three years. Pretty consistently with the fastball. That's nice that we think there. There are some factors. He's got a deep arsenal. He's a little bit of a kitchen sinker because Both the slider and curve only at fourteen and thirteen percent respectively and that allows him to throw the changeup cutter at six percent. Each so again. It's it's is a lot of different things that he hasn't really settled in on a secondary arsenal but maybe that's something that develops a bit more or maybe just throwing the kitchen sink. Adam with all these different pitches mixing and matching. what's working. I haven't studied off when enough to have a definitive thought on that but Yeah you know. I think there's something here. I reign prices certainly not expensive. Go ahead i'm sorry. I ranked him seventy third and that seems way too low his his command plus last year was one fourteen right at the hot at night. With kyle hendricks in Hinging ryu that's nine in front of jacob degrom upon up minuses. Where i or. I got him i have. He's gonna read up. When i i'm going to go back and watch some games Since i think maybe bedridden after this podcast maybe i'll just throw on some games on the tv from last year. And maybe even see if i can do some from twenty nineteen late in the season But yeah i'm actually really really intrigue now A guy that i know other people have been talking about in the industry but not someone i'd necessarily doug super deep into but Kind of eager to see that. August twenty ninth decimation of atlanta. A strong club seven innings. One run for heads eight punches. No walks the one. Run was a solo Decimated washington late washington was not elite by any stretch pants and good. They've got good players. i in full handful good players and he kicked their butts only allowed. What one two three four. Five six seven walks in his last eight appearances and you know as far as the home run rate game logging Useful three against boston. Three solo shots like that threes. Doing a lot of work against washington. Oh it's all right. Let's dia twenty nineteen up as well. Sorry oh okay yes. This was September eighth against boston the gave up three and like i said but they were all solo shots because he doesn't walk is too so that really helps with even with a shakier home run rate presents one so i think the bottom line is i. Don't wanna go in circles on him. We kinda like him here. Where we're intrigued. I think i might try to watch a couple of games to don't tell me which ones you're watching. May we'll watch different wounds. We'll reconvene on tuesday. I'm actually gonna make post it note to. I'm doing the much some f one doing it lie. He's got such a fun name. Descent tack f win an excellent ephron starts. I think it'll be doing those over the weekend myself. All right cool well there. We go gave selves homework. I like that. Let's move on to the next guy We've done a lot of homework on Over the years because we've been up and down Didn't he punch one of your pets. Did yes pineda. One thousand four hundred twelve it was. It was year where people were really. Hyping him You are like i accidentally I did like a sore on my my spreadsheet and it through the the bottom guys in my top one fifty kind of out of whack a little bit and i hit up accidentally ranking him. One twenty-one and the first comment was did michael pineda punch justin's dog in the face or something. Yeah you right skills of always been there Like even when the are was approaching five and twenty sixteen for eighty two he had three forty sierra the core skills like he's been one of those guys that for anybody who wants to push back on on strike out minus walk rain and swinging strike rate. Not being everything which is suggested that they are. They are the core components but they would point peninsula. Hey look at all these numbers. He's put up. He's still gives up too many heads too many homers. I think he is definitely somebody who could stand to walk more guys. I have watched so much of him. I hear refuses to give in. Yeah he no he gives in all the time what he does. He gives in in pitchers and hitters county and gives him pitches to give. I mean he's just he refuses to walk. I is even if you say he goes. I'm going to be you with this. Pitch and then lays one right over the center as i know dude you try to beat them in a deep count you try to beat them with something you know some slider running away and and if they take it cool restart because you're strikeout guy You can give strike out in the next. you know i. it's frustrating. He's been a maddening watch But twenty six two thirds as your only got five starts. I believe he was finishing off a pd suspension. Yes okay so it wasn't injury that kept him out but he came back and he was good again. You know everything was right back. In order in fact you know twenty six two thirds but didn't allow a single homer very un pineda of him. Obviously that will not last. But what do you think here with bonetti. Still only thirty two. I feel like he's been in our consciousness for thirteen thousand years Debuted back in eleven. So it's not too off to suggest that he signed back in two thousand six when he was seventeen so he's been around for a while. He was a big prospect to. Yeah he was a big piece of that His use montero iraq. Greg and that was a huge deal at the time Stud for stud and you know pineda did pretty. Well for the for the yankees. And obviously montero did nothing for seattle. But where do where do you come out on him. At thirty two with these core skills is he more of the same which is solid if unspectacular and massively annoying or is there something better here. Kenny kenny he finally kinda put it all together. his minnesota by the way for those that are unfamiliar. And he'll be right there in the middle of that rotation by burritos and my so what do you think. What do you think of data i mean. Here's the thing like i think. He is a guy that makes mistakes like we said with with locating specially deepened accounts And it ends up going over the fence. I haven't seen necessarily anything to suggest. That is gonna change for him. I need to go and watch what he did. In those five starts down the stretch on the plus side in spite of the fact that you know he didn't you know throw his first pitch In a game until september. I they let him go six and seven innings in his first to start And even went forward. Two thirds in his third five in his fourth and then foreign is His last start Begun some trouble in both starts where he didn't make five. I think the twins need him to go deep in a games. And i think throw one hundred sixty innings. This agree. If he's healthy. I think he could throw even more. I think it could possibly push one seventy one. Seventy five is long as he's healthy which has been part of his issues as well you know he did make twenty six starts in nineteen And again wasn't out. Because of health this year it was. It was a pd suspension. So yeah i totally agree with you. It's their last year. What are they gonna do. You know for what Not that they were going to you know purposely. Try to hurt him. But i think they're gonna try to maximize their innings from pineda in minnesota and push him and say. Hey you know you you can be guy out here. And if you're not giving up homers at huge clip then we're going to be able to get six innings oughta damn near every start. Yeah i mean it's not a great bullpen in terms of length. And so i think yeah. I think they're gonna want him to try to go five six innings each time in you know. I think he's a. I mean i don't expect to see him. You know be sub four yard guy. But i think he could be low for your a guy with like a one twenty one twenty ish maybe one twenty five ish whip A good amount of strikeouts And he he's going. It's not necessarily a great price but it's not a bad price. We're talking about him. Going in the eduardo rodriguez area. Which i've said look. I'm not gonna touch rodriguez. Until i see him on a mound. But sean nyah. Like i think you can make an argument to take the gamble on pineda definitely not somewhere. I wanna be over exposed to. So you're not playing in a lot of leaks you may not want to do it or if You definitely want. Don't wanna take him in a lot of leagues But i think he's i. You know. I've forgiven him for punching my dog. Yes i like that. That's fair and yet the price. The price is absolutely is absolutely right. down here where you're not really getting hurt by pineda and i think that was number one ear pushbacks that year that you did rank them low was like you said everyone was kinda pushing the mob was. He was definitely higher than two thirty five Which is where. He's living down here so we liked pineda. I can take a shot. I definitely see myself putting on roster no problem and if things do kinda go the wrong way you cut a young. The hard part is he's going in front of other guys. I i really like like you know Or have like extremely high upsides seems unlikely. I'll probably end up with them. Like you know i mean you know i know you and i disagree on dank donning but i like deigned deng. He's going twenty. Plus dick's later neat pearson. Who has gr- about to talk about anyways. You know. I like he could be a why not both type deal though too. Yeah go pineda pearson. You get a veteran who you feel. I can get a good stable innings versus Aflame throwing prospect who you have no idea about but you like the upside of which i agree with by the way should be interested in pearson. His prices not over the top up. So i think that's fair. I think there are scenarios where you could end up with both but if you pass him for somebody. That's totally understandable too. I think that he's he's not a guy hacking my mitropoulos which i've done with him in the past bingo. That's kind of what kind of the point i was going to say. I agree with that told us about her injury by back. I would have paired. Chris sale with one of the tj guys. But they're going a quite a bit later weirdly he's like separated himself from severino and syndergaard and i don't understand that But paxton's right by him so give me. We'll go sale impacts. I know pack doesn't have a team and that will change some things when he does land But as it is right now. They are one pitcher apart innate pearson's inbetween them so go chris sailor or james paxson. And i'm not gonna let you have. I l. spots i'm gonna say in an enemy see. Yeah yeah it's going to be paxton in in that scenario That just because the chance. That paxton is pitching opening. Day is pretty good in the chance that chris sale is pitching Opening day is zero. I mean there's a chance zero. Yeah this chance. He's not bitching like the first day after the all star break so I mean. I love the core skills obviously on sale and if i knew he was gonna be here opening day we could could see talking about whether or not he should be going in the top fifteen pitchers but the red sox have nothing to play for. They're they're not going to compete this year And so like in. They've got sale locked up. Why the hell would they push him at all this year. I think i've rostered sale in a couple fifty round draft animals. And i kind of regret doing it largely because even when sale does come back maybe is a boost to my pitching staff but do we really expect him to go. Five innings every star or will. Yeah the red soggy sale yes l. Let's just say we'll we're gonna let you go out and do three innings here and just you know. Keep your arm strength. You know building up and that way and twenty twenty two win. Maybe we're trying to be competitive again. You're good or we can trade you are they. They're not delusional enough to think like they're kind of decent. Are they think the benintendi trade says no. Yeah no i don't i. I think they know exactly what time they're knows what's up. Yeah i think this is more of a a reload than a rebuild yet. Because they have too much veteran talent with bogart's jd and even deborah's he's twenty four but he's been around for a while for do go. He's twenty five so the they've got him already kind of or anything into his prime. I think they are being more. I think they're marking twenty twenty three as their their next year. The beginning of their next window It seems like a lot of teams. And we've seen this recently with some the way some of these contracts have been Kind of set up Especially if the bauer contract and we saw walker buehler's contract Arbitrary meant i think teams are starting to get a little afraid of whether or not there will be a lockout in twenty twenty two yup and so yeah afraid me and you buzzed money. Yeah that's desperate nerve wracking. Yeah so. I'm i'm with you. No reason to push sale Paxton there wasn't a little news on him today. That looks like he's seeking north of eleven mill. A number that is Particularly interesting because that's what kluber got. And i think that's why again that's why that's the specific headline. There is that that he's trying to get more than kluber. And i don't think that's not smile dot as well. Yeah and. I don't think it's unfair for him to be asking for more because You know with kluber. He's coming off to miss seasons. Batteries are only coming off the dud. Twenty twenty but he was he was very good in nineteen albeit for just one hundred. Fifty and two thirds. But that's kind of who he is. He's a one hundred and fifty inning guy. So yeah i think paxton is fair to be asking for maybe a little bit more. Their twelve thirteen mill. We'll give it to him. He's going to sign somewhere. He's taking as well but truth be told until he lands. I'm not taking either of them. I've taken paxton already a few times. And i'm okay with it i i mean i'm pretty sure he is going to sign In the workout that he did he was reportedly. Hit ninety four I think that Your i kind of talking about this off air briefly before we are recording You know just talk. That teams may be kind of waiting to sign guys until after they can put other guys on the sixty day I l an congress. They don't have to burn a forty man roster spot. i think he's one of those guys that signs probably for eleven or twelve million dollars As soon as that happens And what i'm flipflopping. He sold me because not only that. The other factor that. You didn't mention that. I think you probably would have. His price will go up when he signed. Right draft james paxton. Now if you believe in. I do believe he's going to sign so if i'm confident and all that why wouldn't i take your dead ass right. I mean he's been a top twenty pitcher recently. He's he's a monster he's healthy. I know that that that when is a big win or if you will But he's a monster when he when he's right and even this past year when he was awful in two thousand nine hundred. He's he's still at twenty six strikeouts. Nothing else went right and he still had twenty six strikeouts. So james paxton is a monster sale. I don't mess with any guys in there. Tj return year. I got no interest in any of those three by the way severino syndergaard and sale not for this year next year. Can't wait and i'll i'll be rooting for them this year. I hope they do well. Severino's one of my favorite pitchers you know in baseball and syndergaard and so sales out here. So yeah i dig all three but the volatility when you come back. tj Is so severe. That i just don't want to deal with it. They're all on teams like that. I mean outside of sale. You syndergaard competitor. Yeah like there. There has to be smart. Yep exactly no. I totally agree. They're like they have to be really smart about not. Just you know giving up wins right and everyone's especially in that in that annelies alias is tough too but the analyst seems like an even bigger bear if they were doing the segments again the east would be terrifying. If if you're nle's guys also had to face raise yankees j i all hitters and fade. All the pitchers right i i i agree there. We briefly mentioned pearson. When he said we'd be getting to him and you're right flame-throwing prospects going near each other. Nate pearson michael kopech kopech coming off of tj a while ago but then opted out. This year didn't really want to ramp. It up was also dealing with a little bit of you know personal stuff trying to get his mind right in everything and i really hope that goes well. You know that stuff that we just we forget every once in a while that these guys are humans right and they don't just go out and produce stats and everything's fine. Sometimes they're dealing with shit. As i really hope that everything's good with quebec on that front because that's most important and frankly it's not he won't be able to succeed right like they go hand in hand if you're if you're just not where you need to be mentally it's gonna impact your ability to perform so i hope he's there because he's an electric arm and he was fun to watch and that little debut there before he got hurt meanwhile pearson debuted last year. We saw the flame throwing but we also saw the trials and tribulations of being a flame thrower he will struck out sixteen in his eighteen but also walked thirteen and Gave up five homers and and twelve earned runs fifteen runs in total. He's lucky that there was some shaky defense by more. That sixty area could have been higher so neither is really done anything. They're both question marks. But the talent is sky high For both co twenty four pearson. Other both age twenty four season. So who do you got pearson or kopech gimme pearson and okay. You know. I know that you know you missing. Time too and that people are concerned that like a tommy john or something might be coming. There's obviously that risk especially with the guy that throws out hard and i think was dealing with some forearm issues in season but he came back finished really strong through an inning in a In two thirds against the orioles Looked electric and then went and had jim and had A postseason appearance where he didn't allow his runner I feel like this is one of those situations that we talk about often with prospects where everybody's so stoked on dune and then they don't deliver in there. I you know go around now. Now people are fading them in The price is is really really good. and yes. there is a chance that the elbow blows up In so you definitely want to limit your risk elsewhere. We take that chance though. He's pitcher ninety eight right now and that includes relievers by the way but picked to fifty seven Going as late as the three hundred something you know and i love you brought it up. We talk about it all the time about prospects. I'm doing an article That i'm working. It's going to be invaded one little while to go thrift shopping for prospects and i'm looking at the guys who are you know. Top of the scale. Everyone loved him over drafted for a year or two. They didn't perform a now. They're dirt cheap. And i'm gonna go position by position and identify those guys because now this is the time to begin them. It's fun to get the shiny new toy beyond the guy you know beyond vlad before he hits and you say you know what. I drafted him that first year. And that's great. And i did it do so i'm not. I'm not shaving. Anybody but overall we know that those are bad bets I like yeah. Sometimes it's a kunia. But then sometimes it's vlad and overall i think it ends up being a worse bed then to to go for it but now is when you get them right now when you stack them stack up in these fifty round draft all g get three or four of them and they pan out to where they were supposed to be. But you paid nothing for so i like pearson a lot. Jim your thoughts on kopech. You're picking pearson over him. Do you have concerns about kopech. And he just really love. Pearson i do. I do have concerns about kopech. I love the talent. And i think if his head is right and he is focused on baseball in there have been some reports that his head is in a better space now and that the white sox are expecting him to be with the team When they open up or pitchers and catchers report next week. And if that's the case. I will definitely move him up in my ranks But there was a lot of talk after. He opted out that he might retire. I know yeah which was like why. Yeah and that is scary to invest a picking a guy you're gonna literally get nothing from I ranked him at one. Twenty six In my ranks. But i could conceivably move him up. Forty plus spots if he is picked up a seventy nine So i mean the talent is absolutely insane But yeah there is some risk if you're drafting in the next week or so before we we see whether or not he shows up for camp. Got a good higher than pearson. I'm definitely changing that. I'm going to bring them closer and flip pearson ahead of him i will. I will do that. But i'm not as out on kopech. I understand the concerns hundred percent. I totally get that. I think here though at this draft spot. It's it's worth taking a gamble on this kind of arm talent and you know similar to a little different but similar to win guys sign somewhere in the price goes up once we kinda see if he's going to be there and ready to go For kopech i think is price will will rise so if you do of him getting him now makes a lot of sense Because i think it would be set for a jump if everyone sees him in spring and he's he's throwing a hundred you know you gotta careful on that too but all right. We're going to wrap it up year or pull up against a little bit time wise. And i gotta take sharda the bet openings. All right i think it will be but you know. It's never fun to take your dog to the vet. Meanwhile i hope you feel better from the from the second shot of the vaccine. It's a range you know everyone has different experienced. It sounds like you're getting some of it. Sports only be a day though. I haven't done it so i'm not trying to speak as i've heard anywhere from one to three days the the low end. Yeah i mean. It's not that bad. i'm just my brain is fried in drain. So i apologize. I stumbled over my words at alternate. I fully expect to be back on sunday with jason. And we've got John or at mlb moving average coming on and making him sleeper in the bus debut and he is one of the most exciting fantasy analysts out there. If you've never heard his work yes you should definitely check that out again. Feel better get some rest and we will talk to you. And i will talk tuesday but enjoy the sunday show as well.

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Did the Blue Jays overpay for Marcus Semien? (Ep. 103)

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Did the Blue Jays overpay for Marcus Semien? (Ep. 103)

"Hello and welcome to one hundred three of thirty eight. I'm your host mark. Paulie has always joined by bryson and jacob power jazz doing good mark. Thanks for asking. How are you jacob. I'm doing green or it's it's been a great week for baseball. Things are finally ramping up and hey spring. Training is now less than a month away. So there's a lot of excited about fingers crossed. Spring training starts on time. As we've heard some things this week that might indicate otherwise before we get to the baseball topics for today. I wanna introduce everyone to our patriarch which just launched this week. You can find it at the link in our description for this podcast or patriot dot com slash section. One thirty pod you can get exclusive access tip in a couple of bucks to our bloopers patron only discord. You can get your choice of intro out. Tro music on the pod and a bunch of other things so head over to again patriots dot com slash section one. Thirty eight pot all right so this week the blue jays signed market simeon to a one year. Eighteen million dollar deal. They also traded for stephen matt's from the new york. Mets seems like the couple of last deals. We need the blue jays to make. It doesn't look like they're totally finished. But this is getting towards the finish line. let's start off with simeon. The first impressions of this deal for a lot of people was at. Who's too much money you know one year eighteen million dollars for a guy who didn't have great twenty twenty. You know he had only zero point five war after coming off a great twenty and nineteen season. Do you guys think this satisfies the blue jays need for an infielder. And do you think the amount of money they spent on marcus. Simeon is worth it. I think it's worth it and only because of the fact that it's a one year deal i just feel like it's very possible for one year deal. Go bad i just. I don't think there's such thing as a bad one year deal but the market semyon rumors to begin with kind of came out of nowhere because he was one of the names that we never really discussed in terms of infielders at jaisalmer in on it was didi gregorius. That came up the past. Couple of weeks. it's always been justin turner and a few other names but for market seven or also called wong another name Who was talked about mark how you feel about that one anyways. Marcus i mean someone who the jays never really spoke to. And i don't know what it is with this team this offseason but the way the like all these signings are being broken down or reported very strangely as it was the semyon signing. This time was Pretty much reported on instagram and not verified account. I'm not sure his name. I'm sure you guys will mention it. After i'm done of who was exactly but it was very weird because he the signing was announced and was very descriptive and nobody really knew if it made sense or not if it was true and then jeff passan came in and confirmed later so markets semi will be coming here on a one year deal worth eighteen million dollars and the one part of the that was included in the instagram post was that he was gonna be coming over to primarily play second base and that up a lot of questions right away of what's going to happen with kevin bijou. Happen at third base the outfield and that created a lot of question marks and the assumption. That i'm going to get is that kevin bijou will be kind of transitioning to a super utility role. He's going to be one of those guys that are in the lineup every day. But he's going to be at a almost a different position everyday is going to spend time in. Third base is going to spend time in the outfield and regardless getting a very good infielder market segments. Somebody who did have a down two thousand twenty and really quite frankly it was. It was the start that he had and slowly and slowly as the season went on the shortened season as we progress to the playoffs marcus semi looked began to look like his two thousand. Nineteen self but the major start are slow. Start that he had at the beginning of the season reflects his poor numbers. And yeah compared to what we've seen outta them in twenty nineteen. In years past. His average was down pretty much. Everything about him was down his. Opi was down but the one thing to be optimistic about is if you look at his twenty nineteen stats which is the best season. By far of his career at he was third and aol. Mvp voting. He was an all star. he was sorry ale. Mvp voting He played all one hundred and sixty two games. He hit two eighty five and he had an opsec eight ninety two so this guy was an on base machine in two thousand nineteen and his his defense game or him. Defensively as well is definitely an upgrade in terms of everyone they have. He's a decent fielder as well but a lot of people were very skeptical about the money they spent for this guy but the one thing is is you you know this kind of closes off in terms of an infielder of what the blue are going to do and how much they've spent on this because with the one thing we do know is that they were after the george springer signing they were Creeping up in in terms of their budget that they were going to spend this offseason. There's reports that it was estimated around one hundred forty million and currently or it might have been just after the semi inciting their at one thirty two now. So there's not a lot of flexibility as there once was to work with and to bring in semi-in for one year That could be a massive win for them. He was i just. You know there's no such thing in my opinion is a bad one your deal. He's going to be a good player with a lot of upside. And we've seen potentially hasn't two thousand nineteen and the reason that reason alone gives should give blue jays fans optimism for a somewhat of a bounce back year in particular From what we saw a couple of years ago he's i you know somewhat familiar with them. He's going to be coming to regardless he's going to be hitting a hitters friendly ballpark hit her hitters friendly division coming over from oakland regardless if he plays at rogers centre or in dunedin he's going to be hitting an hitter friendly ballparks around the the american league east and that's why it gives me more optimism as well but you know in my opinion a great signing someone that we never really spoke about kind came off the radar. And i'm quite honestly. I'm kind of surprised how he came over here on a one year deal. I was kind of expecting more of a multi year. Deal for marcus semyon. Maybe that's why he was also kind of overlooked in terms of potential names for this team. But you know that. Obviously he didn't like the market or something happened there. But i'm glad he came over here and For one year. Marcus i mean that can turn out to be really special and it looks like it's the final piece for the infield starting pitching still an area of need and maybe poses the book or the closes the possibility of adding another outfielder just because of the flexibility that they have but one of the one a great signing to close off the off season in terms of position players. Okay so eighteen million dollars is a little bit too much. I think some people have argued that it is a lot of money. But i don't think that we can really look at it as objectively as adema when you look at what has transpired especially the day of the signing shadow. Viti went out and said that Essentially what the bluejays are going to do. Is they're gonna move cavs. Yoda and seniors gonna take over second base and i take that as he's going to be an everyday player at least for this season and let's be real here the blue jays. They had the money to spend. So it's not. I guess you can say that. This is kind of their their year where they can spend a little bit too much money. But i think he is a good player and as you mentioned bryson. He has had very good numbers over portions of his career in his career. Average to fifty four. So i mean. That's i'll take that if you know especially if you're going to put him in the seven nine spot and we allow them to get on base. You turn the lineup over. Things like that Anything like that would help the team win. I mean it's twenty nine hundred numbers Were fantastic oliver in twenty twenty. He did struggle a little bit. Twenty twenty nineteen. He did actually lead the league in plate appearances with seven hundred forty seven well as playing all one hundred and sixty games with a two eighty five average and three sixty nine on base percentage. So he's gonna get on base. I think we should look at that. Rather than say twenty twenty. He was bad. Because i mean twenty twenty was kind of a weird year for the majority of the league but i think this is a good move. They had the blue jays. Now have some some more questions answered in the infield. They now have somebody that's going to take over second base and really solidify that he's gonna he's going to be an everyday player. I think this is definitely a move. That i'm welcome to yeah. I think the key question that we have to ask in this deal is whether the blue jays kept the two thousand nineteen market or the twenty twenty marcus and because a twenty nineteen marcus simeon. Like you said person he finished third in. Mvp voting he had eight point. Nine wins above replacement. Which is actually more than mike. Trout had in twenty nineteen. Mike turner had eight point two. So it's a question of do we get the mvp caliber player that margaret simeon was or. Do we get twenty twenty. Where he was worth zero point five war he had a batting average of two twenty three on base of three. Oh five slugging of three seventy four again not terrible stats but not eighteen million dollar stats. That's more like five million dollar stats may be less so it's a question of simeon are the blue jays getting but i think there's reason to believe that the blue jays are going to get twenty nineteen marcus simeon or at least close to twenty nineteen margaret simeon instead of the twenty twenty version of himself. Because you look at the split for simeone. Over the months of twenty twenty you look at the season. July august and then september october his on base percentage increased each of those months. July only seven games small sample size. It was two sixty seven august to eighty nine and september and october is three forty one and then you look at slugging same thing increasing every month except for september it dipped down a little bit but not much then opie s as well five seventy seven in july six eighty six in august seven seven in september and october so when you look at the stats you kind of realize he was he. He started off the season badly but then he got better. And i think that's what the blue jays are hoping for. He can continue his strong performance said he had in the latter half of twenty twenty and get back to being who he was for the majority of two thousand nineteen. And i think that's what the blue jays are betting on and if they do get that version of marcus simeon. This is obviously a massive success. If you get a even a you know a five war version of market simeon for eighteen million dollars. That's great but if you get the same thing he was in two thousand. Nineteen that's an absolute steel. You normally be paying someone like that thirty million dollars and have to overpay over a long term deal instead of getting him for eighteen million dollars on a one year. Deal so yeah. I think this is a great move by toronto. And it's a one year deal if marcus siemian turns out. He's actually just what he was in. Twenty twenty who cares. He's off the books. After this season. The blue jays. Kim reevaluate their approach. They can try to find someone new they can you know promote internally and look at someone like jordan roshan's austin martin if he's ready although we probably won't be so you know it's a short term deal. There's nothing to lose. And i think the pluses overweight the the minuses in assigning abs- absolutely doesn't the fact of the matter is is the one year deal and that's the key thing look at here regardless of the salary but yeah it he's off the books anyway and t t joins a lot of players who are coming off the books in twenty twenty two. You know the amount of flexibility that the jays we're gonna have Even even next offseason. It's going to be pretty crazy to believe all these names are that are coming off the books but markets semyon. He's going to be as jacob mention. He is going be in the lineup. Every day he came over here to primarily plays second base and for those reasons alone just gives us optimism to believe that he can go back to his two thousand nineteen foreman even if he's not two thousand nine hundred and form is going to be closer to twenty nineteen forum than he was in two thousand twenty four in that that's even looking at his career stats as well but lots of lots of things to look at here. It's just it's not a bad signing at all. It's very very good. And he's going to be a key piece of this offense in this offense continues to improve and it's continues to be one of the top rejected lineups so far in not just the american league east but the entire american league itself One thing i wanted to ask you guys. Actually when chevy came out with that tweet saying that simians essentially taking over second base and bijou's moving to third a dvd also mentioned there that it kind of closes the door and vladimir guerrero junior moving to third base. He said charlie montoya was open to it. But it's pretty much third base is pretty much going to be gio. Do you think that will see guerrero at all or do you think that this is going to be kind of a. He's at first base essentially this year and most likely into the foreseeable future. I mean i've been seeing him at first base for the entire off-season even f has. We've been seeing these videos of him. Working out an improvement. I think he's still primarily a first baseman. I don't think that he really ever had a shot of playing at third base. But if he did you know if the front office wanted to see him at third base. I don't think this directly changes that. I think kevin bijou even with the signing of george springer can still play in the outfield. I think he can still play at second base. Shortstop whatever if bobishenko takes a day off if margaret siemian takes a day off. We saw him play at first a little bit. So if rowdy to as is in playing or guerrero is in playing of course that obviously impacts the question of whether grows at third i think kevin bijou might primarily be the third baseman now. But i think he's still gonna be moving all around the diamond so i don't think it's completely rules out him playing vladimir guerrero junior playing at third base but i never really saw it as a possibility in the first place thing with vladimir grow. Junior is the either. It didn't seem very often like even going back to the days when he was going right away when he was going back to play in the winter league and was playing through base there. I left the door open. Just in case he performed well but in that case when he looked back in where i remember. We touched up on this ad to conclude his numbers in the winter league. He just in terms of his batting he was fine. He was good offensively but defensively. He had multiple errors again and from that reason alone. I'm pretty sure that almost slammed the door shut. But for vitamer roggin definitely will be looking or he. He'll be an option at third base. Don't get me wrong. Just you know i'd be surprised if you see if you see it a lot in twenty twenty one. It seems to be. It's going to be some sort of emergency situation. Not even in the case late in the game when they gotta add somebody off the bench and move people around. I think that's somewhat a candidate from enter the game as third baseman. And then barring any other injuries i don't see him actually. Starting games at third base and the ad that does close the door on him It looks like he will be going to first base in for kevin bijou. He's going to be moving around. But i just wanted to. Mention as i mentioned before of the amount of players are are contracts. That are coming off the books. I had to take a look at this. And get the entire number for all you guys here so marcus simeon will be off the books. He's making eighteen million dollars. Ten arc twelve million dollars. Robbie ray eight million dollars kirby eights five and a half million dollars. Stephen matt's a newly acquired stephen matt's five point. Two million dollars scheunemann gucci has some sort of clause where he can be a free agent. That's three point. One million dollars and rafael deletes. One point five million dollars so when you add that up. It's over fifty million dollars right there. That are coming off the books and the amount of financial flexibility to that that this team has even signing semyon to a one year deal makes it even more of a smarter move and there's lots of directions that this team can go and even if we head into let's just say you know the one thing. A lot of fans are overlooking to is the offs or the free agency isn't just the area where the jays can add. People are forgetting to of the trade deadline next because that. Don't be surprised if the james could be active. They were active last year and we saw them pulling off a lot of low risk deals were for people like taiwan walker. Robbie ray i guess you have to throw in jonathan vr. But you know this team to as we head into the trade deadline. There's a lot of flexibility because of the offseason. They have ahead of the next year and all these players that are coming off the books and other big contracts that they can look to trade maybe ran grischuk. That's the name that's been been thrown around but you know i really liked the way. The blue jays have set themselves up here entering the season because even ross atkins metropol. They've been doing lots of interviews and maybe even in the spring conference. I don't know if they mentioned it or not but they alluded to multiple times that the free free agency isn't just the only way where they can add. So that's one thing that is going to be interesting for me. Is that trade deadline because of the financial flexibility that they have. But i'm just very happy with the deal and the one year just makes it all worth it to me in terms of paying him eighteen million dollars but a good signing in a great piece for the lineup. We saw some people saying that this wasn't the end of the pursuit for infielders for the blue jays. I mean kris bryant has been the name that's been tossed around a little bit. Some people are saying they should still be involved in a deal for chris bryan and pitcher. Or you know. Still be on the margaret for. We've seen other names name. I like colin wong guys like that. Is that true. i. I personally think this ends it. Scott mitchell said you know still be on the lookout. The blue jays could add place on third as you move bijou to the outfield or busy. Oh you know. He's playing in different positions every day to give someone the day off. I don't see that happening. I see the blue jays now focusing all their attention on either a reliever or be a starter and that's it. I don't see them as pursuing an infielder given that they've already got simeon in that they've already got an infield crunch in terms of playing time. Do you guys think they're done on the infield or are you still keeping the open. The door open for another acquisition. I'm gonna say they're done be made mainly because they they really need to be like you said mark there. They've got a crowded infield. They have guys coming up in the next couple of years. Who are earning even further crowd. This and quite frankly i think i'm i'm happy with the infield they have i thought it was good even before the simeon acquisition and i still think it's decent with that being said they do need to get pitching bullpen is probably going to be more of a. We'll see what happens it towards the very very end of the offseason. So i think right now. It's probably just starting pitching but moving forward. You know maybe there is the possibility that they do acquire pitching but that is definitely their focus. As of right now yeah. I'm with you guys. I think they're done adding infielders. I will add that. I wouldn't be surprised if it's not done I just think that all these possibilities and all of the amount of activity that the front office has had this offseason. It just doesn't give me a firm answer to believe that they're completely done. But if i had to decide or choose an option i think they are done and the one thing too is merchant. Pyro mentioned He he quoted. The bulk of their heavy lifting was done and in terms. And i mentioned the estimated budget or the offseason a few minutes ago. I just think they. They don't have as much flexibility. And i don't think they really need to make any more big splashes in terms of putting up the The final pieces as we head into the spring but the one area of need for sure starting pitching and relief pitching and we know that. There's still names out there. Jake james paxton. Those guys are still out there. stephen mass was acquired. But you know that doesn't necessarily mean and that's that they're finished and i don't believe they are finished based on what we've been hearing as well but the one thing too is it's just lots of lots of possibilities in terms of adding but yeah for infield is just doesn't seem like the crunch they have and the only way that they do. This now is if they make a trade because we do know that there's two players in particular A report this week that are gaining trade. Interests doesn't mean the jays want to trade them interest that they're drawing the interest. It's rand grischuk. And laura's gurriel junior and i know how you guys feel about trading Junior 'cause we kind of spoke about it earlier in the offseason when we were talking about a potential lindores trade before he was traded to the mets and for a lot of people are assuming that that's the guy to go to if you want to trade a guy he's got the highest salary but the other thing too is he doesn't have as much trade interest or trade value as laura's gurriel junior would have so that's the thing to look at as well You know there was rumors of a kris bryant. Kyle hendricks package. That would send them there. It seems like That may be dying down now as we just after the amount of additions at the jay's of had i wouldn't be surprised i would not be surprised if they have something up their sleeve but as of now What they should be doing is focusing on starting pitching and signing either jacob or james paxton and then of course there's some good relief named still out there. We know that they've gotten kirby eight so there's definitely something to monitor as well as they still have some much some a little bit more money to spend as spring approaches. So that's something that they should definitely be looking at but for infielders just seems to crowded at this point and the only way that it's going to work is if you make a trade so he can't rule that out but that just seems to be the only way because of the amount of names they have on the depth chart and one trade. They did make this week. Of course mentioned it earlier. But acquiring stephen matt's from the new york mets in exchange for three pitching prospects including Sean reid fully also other guys in that deal. Unc diaz and josh wink hausky. So this deal wasn't what we were looking for in terms of starting pitching. Obviously the blue jays still need that number two number. Three guy stephen matt's number five guy if that But it does bolster the blue jays depth. And i think this is something i said. Do you guys before. But i don't know what to think about this deal. I don't know if it's a good deal or a bad deal. And i don't think there's any way of knowing whether it's a good deal or bad deal right now until we wait at least a year or two. Because stephen matt's could be good this year or he could be absolutely horrible like he was in twenty twenty. These prospects sean reid foley. He's shown promise. He looked like he was getting himself together. In the majors in twenty twenty that could have been a fluke because of the small sample size or he could actually be good and pan. Out for the mets as a reliever in the majors. Same with the other prospects for blue jays. So i really have no idea what to think about this deal. And i know we come on this podcast to say what we think about things at the blue jays do. But i really don't know what to think about this. And i don't really have an opinion and i probably won't for a couple years to see how it pans out. See the main opinion. That i have is a depth this great but eventually you need to be able to rely on people and stephen matt's has been okay in his career. Meany was injured last year. however through throat a twenty nineteen and twenty twenty. He does have a collective five zero nine. Era in just under two hundred innings which is not the most reliable in my opinion It's it's an okay move like you said mark you know. The depth is great. But eventually you need a guy that you can say. I trust you to go out every five days and to pitch. Give a seven. Maybe eight innings. Or if you're charlie montolio five innings but i want somebody that's going to basically solidify this rotation and. I don't think that stephen is unfortunately that guy When you look at their rotation obviously we know pearson you are going to take over. We know Robbie ray is going to probably be the fourth starter. But i don't know if i necessarily want stephen matt's tanna rourke being the other two starters no disrespect to them but i think the blue jays need somebody better because if you're if you're in the playoffs whether it's the division series whether it's the wildcard series where whether it's the world series whatever the number of games is five seven three. You need guys that are going to go out and give you solid innings and i say playoffs because that's where the blue jays really expect to be now so it's an okay move. I mean it. Depth is great. But eventually you need to. You need to make moves that solidify rotation and we've mentioned is all over this offseason with jake tourism. Taiwan walker may be trevor bauer. Although that's probably not happening but the blue jays need guys that are going to solidify their rotation. And i just an unknown disrespect to stephen matt. But i just don't think that he's the guy that i would have gone to trade knowing that your rotation is not solidified yet. Yeah f- you know for acquiring stephen matt's you hope that this isn't the final edition that they make for starting pitching or any type of pitching and i'm sure that's not the plan but of course you can't rule out the possibility that it is but the one thing for stephen mats and when you look at it to make it as simple as possible in terms of the data charge which is what this is what the jas have done this offseason. And this is what they're still missing in terms of starting pitching. They have balled up on a bunch of four five options and depth pieces in terms of tanwar. Robbie ray ross stripling stephen mattresses or four names right there that are back end of the rotation guys and if they don't make the rotation they're good bullpen options especially even matches left hander. You can't rule out the possibility that he's coming out of the bullpen in terms of how he performs in the spring and the one question mark and the one thing they are still missing to the state is a two to three starter and that is why signing james paxton or jake odor. Is your somebody else who still available is essential for this team If they want to or in terms of being more of a complete team as we head into the spring because the lineup now is pretty much almost finished in terms of the editions and where they set. And it's going to be a good one from what we know but now the the one thing that's clearly holding the team back is the starting Starting pitching and that's going to be pretty much story of the spring and it's going to be carrying into the season you hope that people over performance while the health team compete. We know that hundred view is the clear. Cut number one starter. Right now in nate pearson's got a lot of potential to eventually take that and become the future of this team in the starting rotation. But they're still missing that two to three guy and steven matt's unfortunately is not that guy but he is definitely a decent option and i don't mind him because i see a lot of He's never in terms of an elite pitcher. He's never been there his career era Is four thirty five. So it's it's okay for a career era but the one thing for him to is you know. Last year he put up nine. Sixty are and that's the seems to be very unrealistic heading into a full season when you look at this year he had previously twenty. Nine hundred was a four twenty one. Era so that kind of gives you maybe some optimism that can kind of revert back to that form. Maybe putting up an era in the low to mid fours. And i think that's something acceptable for his caliber. And that's the one thing that you hope that he can kind of do that because you don't want to see them putting up an area of nine and a full season. He won't last year here if he's going to do that especially on a competitive team. Who is going to try and compete for the yankees for the division. So that's the one thing and you. You need to have a little bit more optimism. Which is why mark at yale. The perfectly in our group chat when you said you. Don't you have to see how he performs. Because that's the that's the truth about this. 'cause you need to see what stephen match you're gonna get twenty nine thousand nine. Maybe two thousand eighteen. Stephen matt's two thousand eighteen. Stephen matt's had an era in the threes high threes. But the one thing that's important for to support your point. Mark is that the the prospects that they gave up we're not high level prospects there amid caliber prospects and they were in the top twenty. But there's something that you know you're not right as of now you're not going to. I guess. Lose sleep over giving them up. That obviously can change down the road depending on how they pinot for the mets organization. And i guess how matt's performs this season but it's a low risk as of now as of now on twenty twenty one. It's a low risk steel. That can potentially i guess give you a somewhat to a higher award or acceptable reward and of course those three prospects heading over to new york. That's just gonna be. You're gonna have to wait to see how that pans out. So sean reid foley is the is pretty much one of those three prospects who we've only seen in the major leagues one other one I don't know which one it was. But he pitched one game for the jason two thousand nineteen and it didn't go too. Well yes so. The ideas had one appearance. Because i remember looking at the career as twenty seven so it didn't go to but it was one game and other than that sean. Release the guy that we've seen consistently are not consistently but we've seen his name on the roster he's been up and down multiple times from Triple eight from the rotation. He's been in the rotation he's been in the bullpen. He hasn't really seen comfortable He did show signs of promise in two thousand twenty but overall For his career so far it hasn't gone is expected because he was somebody who had a lot or was kind of a high level prospect a couple of years ago. So we'll see what happens there and it is going to take a little bit to kind of determine who won the steel and for stephen matches. Well he's coming over here. He's going to be a free agent at the end of the year. He's making five point two million dollars so it's a kind of a one year thing unless it pans out welna jays wanna bring back in twenty twenty two. We'll see what happens and stephen matt's we know where we're getting out of him and it's the fact of the matter is it's a back of the rotation addition and they're still missing that two to three starter. You know what. I take back what i said about having to wait for a long time if the blue jays don't make another move. I starting pitcher this offseason. I think this move will as a byproduct of that be a bad move because the blue jays need to do something else. This does not really help the rotation yes as we said matt's may fit in the fifth spot of the rotation but it doesn't do what we know. The blue jays need to do which is to get a guy number two slot and right by behind high engine and fill in that rotation. This does not solve that problem so if the blue jays don't make another move don't sign or trade for another guy who can fill that role. I think this move is a mistake as a product of that. But if they make another move vijay said. I got to wait years to figure out. This is a good move or not. Yeah i stephen matt's is a good bullpen guy. And that's why i think getting starter is so important because i believe it was six Bullpen appearances over over. The course of two thousand nineteen to twenty twenty so he. I think he would be good. You know middle of the of the game type of guy you want for two maybe three at most innings and he would be very very solid but if the blue jays don't get a starter like we've all said and he is your number three or even if he's your number four or five star move. Tanner orca robbie ray up to those three and four spots. This rotation is not very good. And like i don't wanna no disrespect to those nice. But you need as a playoff team. You need playoff-caliber starters. The bluejays have two of them. But they don't have enough in terms of good starters that can take them far into the playoffs. Because i don't think the blue jays would beat the yankees or even you know any of nationally team in the world series in a seven five or whatever the series is because they have the lineup to do it arguably they have the bullpen to do it but at the end of the day. If you're starting pitchers giving up four or more runs in a very competitive game against a very good team that is a very hard thing to come back from even if you have a great line. Ah well thankfully. The blue jays are Still in the hunt as far as we know for a number two starter for a strong reliever at least according to recent reports which are saying that the blue jays even after adding all of these guys are still on the hunt for a high leveraged reliever like trevor rosenthal or a starting pitcher slotting in behind hyphen. jin ryu. so that's a good news and like bellary. The blue jays half to add someone like that to make this offseason finished or almost at the finish line almost so close to being there but the final step is getting that number. Two starter is getting a reliever You know fingers crossed both but number two starter. I think he's a priority for the blue jays at this point. One small thing that did happen this week. I think we're all watching george springer of course his official press conference introducing him as toronto blue jay. There's not much to take weight here there. Some funny lines. Someone asked where. George springer was doing the conference from and he said from an undisclosed location in the mountains probably at his home in connecticut but it was a funny response. Someone asked him about the Or not someone steve simmons. We all know his name about The astros cheating in two thousand seventeen and he said you know what. I'm proud of our accomplishments. I'm proud of what i did. I know that. I can you know have trust in my performance and i'm looking forward to doing the same with the blue jays. Did you guys take anything really away from this conference. 'cause it was just you know platitudes. He didn't really say much. Use the canned responses. It was still exciting to watch because of course he is now a toronto blue jay. But i didn't really learn anything from this. But what did you think. I learned a lot from an action. Not really i mean it was just cool to see the only thing i learned or was how you know how good he does. Look a blue jays uniform. That was pretty cool right away for him to put on the hat and the jersey Just you know. Obviously not a normal introduction press conference from what we saw from hundred or any type of signing when they kind of he would actually probably be normal circumstances stamps of circumstances. He'd be in toronto and he'd be around the dome but unfortunately that's not the case that we're in right now and it was zoom press conference which It was all right. He spoke well. I think and i thought he did a good job avoiding that question in particular and of course somebody from the new york post or someone from new york asked him about the mets knee avoided that pretty. Well good as well pretty much saying this is about the toronto blue jays. So that's that's the one thing i take away from it. You know it's just the the one thing i two is. A lot of there was a question particular. Or you know. There's a lot of comparisons that i've been seeing well when you wanna talk about the signing again in the current state of the team and so in that's something that's bring has been through as well is that there's a lot of comparisons to the houston astros. Twenty fourteen twenty fifteen kind of getting over that hump from being. I guess atrocious and then of course building their young prospects and look what they other than the trash can in the cheating scandals. Look look at the quality of a caliber of the team. They put together and regardless if they cheat or not. They're still going to be a playoff team for years to come and a lot of comparisons to the blue jays of how they're kind of they were kind of in a similar boat in two thousand nine hundred and they turned the page. Twenty twenty and twenty twenty one. There's even more expectations for them. And they're only gonna get better from here me we. We assume that the window here is going to be around. That time that george springer going to be about six years at least maybe it depends how much better they could get over the years but at least going to be five while say four to five years to be saved by yeah. There's lots of comparison springer one of those guys who went through that in houston. But i guess the it's kind of like a reverse role for him. Now is at the time he was a young guy coming up. He was the young guy getting used to the majors and getting over that hump as team transition to competing. George springer comes here. Now and twenty twenty one and he's the guy that is going to be one of those final pieces and he's going to be you know he's going to be around. The young guys like boba shot vladimir guerrero junior kevin bijou laura discouraging junior. All those guys that were here during the rough times between nineteen and now that they were part of the transition. Twenty twenty and george springer is going to be a guy coming in. I guess at this point a veteran and he's going to be trying to guide them to see a similar spot that the ashes were in. So that's that's the one takeaway take from this end. I'm like i said at the top looks good in a blue uniform. That's all i have to say in his undisclosed location. I think the biggest thing that i took away. I don't know why this stood out to me but for some reason it did is. George springer was asked about Did the thirty of where the blue jays going to play really bother him. And i know we talked about this. Is that a thing. That's going to influence guys coming over to toronto or even a pre covid postcode any of that. Do people wanna play in toronto and other country outside of the us. And he said i quote didn't bother me at all you clearly. He wants to be part of this toronto based organization whether they're playing in buffalo whether they're playing in florida whether they're not even in toronto for the entirety of two thousand eight hundred. He wants to be part of this organization. I think that's the biggest thing that stood out to me is yes. The blue jays homefield easy in toronto. And yes they are a toronto based organization but whether they're playing like i said florida buffalo whether they're on the road the entire season he is still with the same group of players. And i think that is the reason why he ended up staying or choosing to come to the blue jays and unfortunately i have seen a bunch of tweets and videos about people that used to work with sports. And i've seen greg talk. A lot of people mentioned that one of the things that the blue jays had working against them is the fact that they're not in toronto and a lot of them had very vocal very very strong opinions on the fact. That toronto is not a desirable place. And i think that kind of got into a lot of fans heads thinking that toronto this very bad place. And i don't think that's true. I think this team is very good. And george springer recognized that and he wants to be with his team and got on him because honestly if you if he were to say go to the mets for the exact same contract six years one hundred and fifty million dollars even though. That's now if the mets offered him just for comparison saying i think that would in my biased opinion. I think that would have been a mistake because the blue jays are a good team whether playing toronto. Hey this might only be for this season. george springer is coming in Starting in the twenty twenty one season so he might only see one season of of uncertainty in the next four or five however long he is with the blue jays. It might be a dynasty for the entire time. They might be in toronto. And i think that that's just the biggest thing that stood out to me is. This was kind of a big. You know. I don't care what the the outsiders say everybody's been saying not a desirable place and while you finally have a guy say you know what i don't care. This is a good team. And i wanna be part of it. You know what jake of this might sound bad. But i do not believe george springer one bit. I do not believe that. The fact that he didn't know where the blue jays were playing the fact that even if the bluejays were playing in toronto would have to pay more in taxes. Move his family to canada stuff like that. I do not believe that didn't bother him. I think it did bother him. I think is a impact and it is a factor when you think about free agents and where they're going to sign and how much you have to pay them to come to toronto. I think he just didn't say that because of course he's not going to say that because he's a toronto press conference because the toronto media team trained him on what to say to all these questions which they could have predicted. All of 'em kizer very predictable questions except for. Maybe where are you right now. Which was as we said. Probably the best answer of the press conference but yeah i. i don't believe in one bit. I think he was bothered by this. He if the blue jays head paid him the exact same amount as the mets offered. I think he would have gone to the mets like. That's just. I do not believe that. This didn't bother him. I think it did bother him. And that's why the blue jays had to pay one hundred and fifty million dollars instead. Of what the mets offered which was twenty five. Yeah a lot of There was definitely filtered answers. But you know the fact of the matter is and just because of. We threw it so many with the narrative of this. This city and this team is that it is a big deal for these players and it is something that they look they look at but the the one advantage to i guess is he. You know there are a lot of it. He did say it seemed true. In a lot of it you can tell you know. He was definitely prepped. For that pretty easily. But tronto. I guess or even candidates it is pretty you know. It is only about an hour plane flight from connecticut. So i guess it is still somewhat close other than new york but yeah it's it's a big decision for him to make because you know the one thing too is he's actually starting a family himself and that i didn't know about so you can understand why i guess playing on the east coast with something. That was important to him. But yet i don't i don't really take too much away from that I i do think though the one thing that definitely appeal and appeal to him the one thing that you could tell he was being Pretty serious and honest about was the actual core of this team and you can tell how that did catch his eye and that definitely was probably one of the reasons that attracted him to come over here besides the money because of course. That was probably the deciding factor. But the you know the core of the team itself. And it's an appealing team appealing franchise when you want to take up the geography. It is an appealing franchise for this team to come to. But you know. The thing with george springer is you know. I'm sure over the years as well. Once we got back to roger center once fans come back and once he gets to experience the fan base a little bit better in a little bit more normal quote on quote is that he will. He will fall the he will love it here. It just may not take it may take them a little bit to understand that but you know as of now. He's definitely probably a little bit. I wouldn't say a question mark. But he definitely was prepped to say that in terms of the location of this team and such. but you know he's gonna be representing a country. We all know the narrative that and he is going to be a fan favorite here very queered. He is by very quickly going to get even more and more fans. And i think over time he's going to feel like he did make the right decision but as of now You know just because we've seen the so many times with players Is that the geography definitely is important to people and of course the customs Is another thing that people look at his maybe a little bit overrated in my opinion but something that is always kind of on their minds but the you know the country. It's the fact that they're in a different country itself that fully Is one of the things that. I'm sure he was really curious. May be skeptical about at first but happy. He's here and you know other than that. You just I didn't really take too much away from that. It was just cool to finally had the press conference and the introduction that he had to Blue jays fans are. We got some questions from our listeners. For today's podcast. So we're going to run through them a little bit rapid fire here to end the podcast today The first question is from jaden. He asked if you were. The gm of the blue jays want would be your highest offer. Two trevor bauer. And i've had a few minutes to ruminate on this question. So i can go first. I'm going to say to two years. Seventy million dollars because we know. Trevor bauer watts. A high average annual value. But i don't think the blue jays are willing to spend an absurd amount of money on him over many many years especially given now the money. They have committed to george springer but also the flexibility. They have over the next few years as we've alluded to earlier. I think they would want to benefit from that flexibility but at the same time not cost themselves flexibility down the road. So that's what i would say. Two years seventy million dollars gives him an average annual value of thirty five million dollars which is close to the record but it also doesn't keep him on the books for that long two years. Thirty five million. I'm gonna go and say that the sign him. I wanna say similar contract. But i think they would sign him for three years. No real reason why. I think the extra term is probably better for the blue jays. They want to have some more consistent consistency and the rotation. And i'm gonna guess. They signed him for about ninety million dollars so about thirty three and a third per season. I think it's a little bit less than what you said. Mark but i think that's still comparable and i mean. Obviously you're if you're trevor. Those extra couple million dollars is still going to be an influence in a good factor in that. But i think three years thirty three million a thirty three million a season. Probably if i was the gm the most out offer. Because i don't think you want to go thirty five or above for starting pitcher and just to be clear. I don't think the blue jays are going to sign bauer. I think this is the most they would be willing to offer. And then bauer i don. I don't think he would sign with the seventy million dollar deal. I think he wants more term. But that's just. That's the max of what i think the blue jays would offer it. Just it seems like to after acquiring stephen mats. It's almost like they kind of cleared up a spot for trevor bauer to come over there and go to the mass but yeah At early in the off season. I would say that maybe i would. If i were jays. I'd give him four years. Of course now it's kind of tailed off a bit. And i think you guys are around. I'm around the similar as you guys that they give them a little bit under jacob. I'm probably going to say around thirty two. I just think that there won't go to that. Max annual for him. I just It's just one thing that trevor bowers while he's opened a short-term deals but it seems that you know if you're a free agent looking to get paid you know the term is probably just as important as the salary so that's why i i would say four years at first and i guess that adds up to around one hundred and twenty eight million dollars something like that so you know. i guess. We're in the a similar ballpark. But yeah as of now even if jays offered him two million dollars of course he wouldn't come here most likely and as you know something that wasn't really sold on to begin the offseason just. We didn't even talk about that much because it just didn't seem very realistic. But you know. I'm sure the jays gave him who knows if they even gave him an offer but if they did i definitely think they would start off with around three or four years and i'm sure they did have a meeting around christmas time. It was earlier in the offseason. So who knows what came out of that but obviously now. It doesn't seem realistic at all. And who knows if they even gave him an offer to begin with other than meetings are the next question sticking along the same lines. This is from death. He asked what starting pitcher do. You think would be the best fit for the blue jays because as you just mentioned trevor. Bauer doesn't really make sense for the blue jays right now. The name i'm going to go with its familiar. Name but taiwan walker. I think there's been a mutual interest there the entire offseason and i think it make sense. You know he is issue. He is has put up. Good numbers over last season obviously struggled with injuries. But i think he's a perfect type of guy to fit in in the number two spot in the rotation right. After high engineer review. He gives you that stability. He gives you that depth in hopefully can pitch hundred sixty two two hundred innings this season. Taiwan walkers mega. I'm going to say the exact same thing. And i've said this literally the entire off. I want taiwan walker. To be signed is probably my number. One moved that the blue jays needed to make and like you said mark mutual There's mutual interest taiwan walker earlier in the offseason. He posted that picture on twitter of the toronto sky lansing. He could get used to that him. David price actually had a interaction on twitter where they were talking about how good the fans are so clearly wants to be here to me. It's it's just mind boggling. Why he is not signed with the blue jays yet. i think that's more on the blue jays. They believe in so focused on the moves that they have currently made but if that is definitely who they need n. he's good. I mean he had a one thirty seventy tiara with the blue jays in twenty six and a third innings. He didn't pitch in the playoffs. Just because the balloons didn't get to the game that he was scheduled to start but he easy he's the perfect fit for the blue jays because he is good and he wants to be here so he. If you're mark shapiro you do not work something out with him. I said i trust them. I like them as him in. Ross atkins's management. But i will be very disappointed if he is not signed yet. Tie walker definitely A name that. I would love to have come back but i think there's even a better fit in jaco tourism coming here some. That were very familiar with spending most of his career with the raise a career era itself of three nine three ninety two the past. Couple of years. He's been with minnesota. Twins and twenty twenty was kind of another thing for him in terms of what we've seen with players having a down season if you wanna look at the before that He was an all star in two thousand nineteen area. Three fifty one in thirty starts with the twins. Someone who i think would be the best fit for this work. This rotation right now is jay z. He'd be that two to three starter that they're looking for and i would say james paxton as well but after getting stephen matt's you just wonder now maybe if that's a little bit too much or too many left hansie of robbie ray that's going to be in there. And it just seems more of that jay. Jay z would be a better fit in my opinion Taiwan walker definitely so when they gotta keep tabs with of course but Yeah jayco tourism. It would be my player for the best fit for this rotation as of now. Yeah i think. I don't know i just don't see the blue jays making that big of a splash. I think taiwan walker would be cheaper than z obviously voter as he has a longer and better track record And i think the blue jays aren't like like mark spiro. Send the press conference. The bulk of their heavy lifting is done. So i just. I just see them as going out and having more of a lower key signing in taiwan walker instead jayco tourism book definitely both of them. I would be super happy with either them signing with toronto. Or both you know. We need the stars Another question coming from matt along the same lines again. Lots of talk about the starters today but is ryan rookie going to get a shot at the starting rotation or really be a lock for the bullpen and reading into that question. I'm going to say for the rest of his career. Is ryan breaking now officially a reliever. Or is he going to go back to the starting rotation with the blue jays saying he's staying in the bullpen. I do not see him as someone who is going to go back to the starting rotation look. He was a good starter. Twenty three point eight seven. Era over seventeen starts almost one hundred innings. That was fantastic right. He's a very good pitcher. But then you go to twenty and nineteen history with injuries only to start six innings your a over ten then you go to twenty twenty and he found success out of the bullpen at two point. Seven era over sixteen point two innings twenty one games. None of them are starts. I just see you know. The inertia is for him to stay in the bullpen. He found his place with the blue jays in twenty twenty and it worked wonderfully so. I don't see him being messed with. I don't see the blue jays messing with the successfully found in moving him back to the rotation. I think one thing we got to kind of clear up is the bullpen is not a demotion for a mischievous where he fits and if he helped his team win and he's a solid middle inning guy than that is not a bad thing by any means. But i'm going to say yeah. He's probably staying in the bullpen. Just because of the blue jays whether they make another acquisition for starting pitcher or not. I don't think that they're going to going to have another pizza. Amount of uncertainty going into. Who's gonna fill those spots. Because obviously with guys. Like tanner roark. Robbie ray stephen mats. They have options. I would like to see a different option. You know put into that mix. But i don't think it's going to be at the cost of ryan baraki in the bullpen. Because i think he's he's been he's been good. Obviously i was a fan of them in two thousand eighteen. And then he's he struggled a little bit in rotation a going forward but i think he he'll probably stay in the rotation just because the blue jays. Hey he fits better there he. He helps them win. And he's good but also the blue jays i i still think they're gonna make an acquisition for a starter but even if they don't think the rotation is probably set without him. I think ryan baraki spends twenty twenty one or at least to start in the bullpen. I think it's too early to kind of justify. He'll be there for the rest of his career and auditor even long-term As of now the one thing we do know or what ross atkins even mentioned at the beginning of the season is him and Alongside anthony k and probably a few other names are gonna get a chance to compete for a starting rotation spot. And i'm sure he's going to start multiple games in the spring. And you know there's lots of uncertainty with certain names in this rotation as of now robbie ray I wouldn't even be a lock on him To spend the entire season there. I do think he will start the season there. Ten or or who knows what's going to happen with him and stephen matt's projected fifth sarno on fan graphs. Stephen matt's if ryan burrow and stephen matt's could compete for a final spot. You can't really rule that out and you know that this moves ross stripling to the bullpen. But he's another name that can potentially make rotation and if the jays add starter then then it's gonna look a little bit more Tough for him to get in there. But you know if that's the case then the one guy you're looking at that you know just seems that you don't want their too long would be ten aurora. It depends on what happens. But i do think at some point this season ryan barack is gonna start a game or two. I just don't think he started the season in the starting rotation and Jacob said it perfectly. It's on demotion. Just in terms of the bodies they have and the fit the best fit for him to start. The is the bullpen for me. But i do think he gets a star An opportunity to start and even with these other names. I guess you can even throw him in. There is that you know assuming that there is a minor league baseball season scheduled you know the the bison rotation is going to be. It is pretty solid from what i've been looking at in terms of the depth that they have you know you can't rule out ryan baraki maybe starting in buffalo as a starting pitcher There's anthony k who's gonna get an opportunity as well. Trent thornton someone's gonna come back and maybe compete for a roster spot as he came off elbow surgery. There's thomas hatch. There's tj zohreh cobwebs. Back patrick murphy. Those are pretty good names for that. Buffalo bisons rotation as well so either way ryan baraki starts the season in the bullpen. I do think he makes the team. But you know. I wouldn't be surprised at some point this series going to be starting a game or two. I want to go back to something you said. You don't think robbie. Ray is a locked for the starting rotation. No no i think he leaves a lock to make it out of the spring. I it depends on the Depends on how he does. He's on a one year deal as well. But i do think robbie ray is likely going to stay in there. Yeah i wouldn't call it a lock. I just yeah okay because i will. I don't seem as anything else. Besides starter i don't i i think he's a number two guy in the rotation right now if you look at it because a rotation is not deep at all. It's very weak. You ever you. And then i like like it's robbie ray i dunno. Ross stripling right. Now i guess he would figure into the picture of the rotation neat pearson is also probably going to be in there and then of course. Santa rourke other names. That probably aren't going to be involved. But could be tyler chat would stephen mats so a guy see is robbie raise the number two guy so i definitely see him in the rotation the entire season. I don't really. I don't think he's going to be going to the bullpen and Yeah there's lots of ways. You can fit robbie ray into he was He opened a few times. But yeah like as of now it depends on if they add another one or not but if they don't of course he's going to stay in there you know he is projected number two right now there's a pearson as well so we'll see what happens but if they add another starter who knows what that slots for what that means for everybody else all right well. I think we'll wrap things up there. Thank you everyone who submitted questions we got a lot of them and as you can probably tell almost all of them were along the lines of starting pitching when the blue jays are gonna make a move when some of these guys are gonna sign who they're gonna sign so thanks for submitting. I'm sorry we can all them as always you can check out our instagram and twitter at section one thirty pod. 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Effectively Wild Episode 1655: Seven Minutes in the Heavens

Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast

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Effectively Wild Episode 1655: Seven Minutes in the Heavens

"The hello and welcome up sixteen fifty five with factory wild grass baseball podcast brought to you by patriot supporters i may rally a fan graphs and join his always by van. Limburg of the wringer ben houria built. They've lost my bearings this the minor leagues have no names now the anywhere they have names again cancer but currently they have no other than just triple eight east aaa west central. It's just the level and then where they are geographically because the agreement was finalized. The hundred twenty teams. They've now signed the contracts that they were offered quote unquote offered of that is sort of cemented. Now the new structure of the minor leagues and as part of that at least at present the old names have been stripped away. Although jj cooper who came on not long ago to tell us about how this will work has tweeted that these are probably placeholder. Said that there will be some sort of branding for these leak. Names to con-. I fear that the camping world yes presents aaa baseball. And i guess that will be disorienting. Not only because we have names that were league names that we've been accustomed to for such a long time in that. Have such a rich history baseball. But because it's going to take at least two years for all of us to get our heads around who's at what level now andrew who's affiliated with which major league organizations and so. I just imagined that i will feel very confused for the foreseeable future. And i don't know that east or west or you know aaa east really helps to ground you in in. Who is naturally in that grouping any better than the dussan the power west or whatever. They're going call it but it is tremendously disorienting which is hardly surprising given the nature of the exercise but is going to be confounding nonetheless. And is you know. It's concerning to me as an editor. Because i imagine that people will get confused. And my my spidey sense that that we need to make an adjustment copies. Just gonna really not be there. Sign just going to have to look it up every time to be sure. I didn't have the entire affiliate structure of every team memorized before they were just so many teams and there is so much musical chairs every offseason where some affiliates would change. Obviously some you know had long lasting relationships. And so i would know them. But i'm not someone who covers the miners or goes to a ton of major league games regularly. So if had asked me to reel off every affiliate for every team. I could have done that. Prior to this change but now there will be an even greater adjustment period. Yeah it's like when. I was first getting into baseball. I remember that being something that it was a little initial hurdle where i had to remember. Okay colleague what level is that again in the southern league in the eastern week. And you know it's not only do you have to remember the level designations but then also the league's but there were some character there and you know something like the international league which had been a name of a league. For centuries you know decades for such a long time it would be ashamed to lose that and turn it into like the hockey system where they're like corporate sponsors scotia north division and the honda west division. Whatever even if everyone will just call the north division or the west division. It would simplify things if it were just aaa east aaa west. But it would be boring to. They should have major labor unions by the sponsorship rights to all the levels just to make ownership uncomfortable chip play brought to you by the afl cio. What now guys sponsor minor week if actually wild league circus oh poor pitcher supposedly effectively wild. It's fine. yeah so we've got a guest today. It's a returning guest shannon. Tally will be joining us soon. She works as a systems engineer for nasa jet propulsion laboratory and and she's also a big baseball nerd like us and she's been working on the march twenty twenty mission and next week february eighteenth. The mars perseverance rover will be touching down in jezreel crater on mars. That is thursday shannon has been working on that mission for years she came on with me and jeff episode thirteen twenty just a little over two years ago to tell us about that and now the big day is almost here so shannon will be back to preview the landing in mission and also catch us up on being a mets fan and her incipient doctors phantom and some other baseball talk. So we'll get to that soon. I guess just a couple of newsy things to chat about i. there was a trade that was somewhat notable. The royals and the mets and the red sox made a three team deal here. The headliner being andrew benintendi. Do you have thoughts. I i guess. I should read out the exchange here. The mets got outfield prospect khalil lee. And then the red sox got frenchie. Cordero and josh wink hausky and benintendi went to royals and then there are a bunch of players to be named later as well. The red sox get three of them to come from the royals and one from the mets. I think the royals are sure weird band. I mean i think it's fine. I don't quite understand why the mets had to be involved with this whole thing book. Good for them. I mostly think the royals are real weird baseball team. I feel like there's just this collection of guys who are like the nice and benintendi is better than this but well benintendi is maybe in this. I don't know how good andrew benintendi is not be starkey like. I don't know about i'm about him anymore. I feel as if they have added a number of guys who are nice you know. They're nice role players. I'm trying to remember. Exactly what part of the potted plant. They would be in courses and allergy. But you know the guys who supplement a very strong core that is ready to content because you need depth than there's there's value in having productive veterans who can be good bench bats and six starters for one somebody in the rotation gets hurt and i feel like some of those guys have found their way to kansas city. And i don't know that there is there yet to take full advantage of those guys. So i just find them very confusing but i do like that they are. You know like if you're a royal fan and you're gonna well. You're probably not gonna go to the ballpark much this year. But if you're gonna watch your team like having competent and productive. Big leaguers is better than not so. I guess that's fine but i mostly just find it very strange but i also don't know that i believe that franci cordero's ever gonna hit enough and make enough contact a productive big leaguer. So if that's the trade you know then. That seems fine. It's very odd to me. He's been tantalizing. multiple teams. Now for a wireless and he definitely hits the ball hard when he hits it. Sure does fast. But it doesn't hit it all that often her. He hasn't to this point so i don't know it's it's not a bad player to take a flyer on given the skills but he hasn't been able to put it together yet. So yeah the royals. It's an intriguing. Mix of like veterans short-term deals and some promising prospects and like you can start to see the core that could get them good again probably not this of their playoff odds posts. Trade are about ten percent. But it's kind of coming together and kudos to them for trying to be interesting or or respectable. I don't know exactly how they see themselves. They believe that their legitimate twenty twenty one contender or whether they're just trying to surround their prospects with some mentor types of not like entra. Benintendi is Super grizzled veteran. He's he's only. What twenty six or something and very young in the face. Yes yeah but it's like benintendi in addition to where the the other royal and added. I guess Greg holland back again. Wade davis carlos santana rate hike. Minor taylor yeah a bunch of them team. Yeah i mean they're hard to get a handle on and so as benintendi as you said i mean. He looked like he was going to be if not a superstar like a legitimate All-star type player perhaps for years to come and has just regressed since his breakout in two thousand eighteen took a step back in two thousand nineteen and then missed most of twenty twenty with an injury and play well when he was on the field. So i don't know the bloom is off the rose a little bit after the rookie of the year runner up season and the follow up campaign and that incredible catch in the two thousand eighteen s. But they're still something there. It's just I think as dan sabarsky documented. He seems to have gone to more of an aggressive approach. He does have the context skills to support that but it just hasn't really paid off for him. Yeah i mean. I hope for his sake that he is able to sort of rally From where he was but it is very disconcerting last year and the sort of shift toward a more aggressive approach at the plate did proceed the injury so i don't think that him simply being healthy is gonna be sufficient totally restore things but it also means that he could presumably make another judgment that would put him sort of back in line to being a more productive guy. But you know. I'm sure that for red sox fans. It has to be a bit of a bummer. Because he was what the last of that outfield to kind of make his way out of town. So it does feel like that is pretty firmly. Closed yeah r.i.p killer bees. I guess we'll see where jackie bradley and signing but yeah that seems like it would be just sort of a foundation for years to come and now couple years after world championship. It's disassembled so it's not like a mookie betts style. I mean it's obviously. He's not that caliber of player and is is not a huge salary. Dumping benintendi is not making a ton and they included some money and sent some money. Kansas city's way to get better players back. So maybe that reflects some lack of confidence in a benintendi bounce back on boston's part but it's surprising to see that group dismantled so soon and the toll offseason like we had to do a winners and losers posts at the ringer to on the mvp offseason and we all did simplysafe's and one of the losers i picked was people who had homegrown stars jerseys. Because they're going to have to edit them or alter them or tear them up or something because there have been a lot of players this offseason who had spent their entire careers with one team up until this point who have been on the move. You know some via free agency. Like george springer jack peterson but many more as a result of traits some real superstars are not oh and went door and go in snell and then also players like elvis andrus and colton long benintendi in different circumstances involved there and this is not new in the free agency era. This kind of turnover is is sort of a constant but we have been bidding farewell to a lot of players who were institutions with teams. And we're still reading rumors about kris. Bryant trade sir matt chapman trades. At least you're a millionaire. Adam wade writer still in saint louis. So there's some things we can count on and like. We said now. All those race fans with chris archer jerseys can get their their storage. Yeah all right. Well the last thing. I wanted to mention before we talk to shannon sabre has been putting out these fifty at fifty lists the past few months. This is sabres. Fiftieth anniversary was founded in nineteen seventy one. So they've been putting out of fifty best. Players are most notable players or off the field figures or baseball cards or baseball films or tv shows over those fifty years and the latest one. That they did is really up my alley. It's the sabre fifty at fifty olympics list. they've picked like the fifty most notable milestones in baseball analytics. Since the founding of saber and i should mention this also these are meant to be companions to a book that is about sabres fiftieth anniversary which is called savior fifty at fifty but this one specifically is of interest to us. I think to a lot of our listeners. And i will link to where people can find it. It's kind of a good compact summary of the last fifty years of baseball research and analysis. So i don't know if anything stood out to you. That was surprising or oversight. Some sure it was impossible to get everything onto this lesson. I think it's pretty good. I mean just sort of scanning it. I think they did a pretty good job of cramming everything in here. There is understandably a bunch of bill. James they probably had to limit themselves to bill james entries on this list and you know they just had like the first baseball abstract is on here. And they kind of lumped together. A of bill. James ideas and concepts and innovations under that umbrella kaz wise like for the first couple of decades of this period. That would be largely bill. James just owning this field more or less. So there's a lot of that. But i think they did a good job of thinking of some unsung or appreciated accomplishments. That do deserve to be on here as well as some of the latest innovations yeah. I think that it's a pretty comprehensive list. I i want. I looked at it. I initially thought that it was perhaps a little much that the babbitt warp. Xt attorneys at law made its way in because that feels kind of minor. But i i struggled to think of a thing that i necessarily would shift into it in its place but i feel like this capture of the spirit of the past. I don't know gosh they go all the way back to the seventy so you know. Do you ever have that thing. Ben where you you refer to a decade. That was a longtime ago. And you're not doing enough decades. I was about to say and that was like thirty years ago. And that is not really knows like fifty years ago man boy friday but i think that this this covers a lot of it and gosh some of these websites they sure look better now than they. Actively wild did not make the list but Founding fan graphs made less than the founding of based back this list and some notable stats that we site all the time on here. So it's you know coda and retro sheet in project scoresheet and opie s and baseball reference in verse mccracken's bap at research and moneyball and fire to a morgan pitch fx statcast etc. Yeah i didn't really find fault with the inclusion of anything as you said the parks and rec references. Sort of a silly one as much as we appreciate mike. Sure saluting sabermetrics on the screen and the list is somewhat safer. Centric has made expect from cyprus list justifiably in most cases but for instance the super analytics conferences on there. But not saber seminar. Which started a year earlier but i think a lot of these are really major innovations. I guess just a a few things came to mind as things that i would have tried to find a spot for although again. It's hard to figure out what i would have kicked out. One thing that. I thought of his Pitcher abuse points. Or you know just. The concept of pitch counts and pitcher. Abuse is not a metric that is commonly cited anymore although baseball prospectus stole publishes. It or did until very recently. So it's not so much that the system of pitcher abuse points which was like you know. Looking at the number of pitches that starters had thrown beyond their hundred pitch and then doing some math to try to how much more risk that was adding of injury. I don't know that that system exactly as it was defined proved to be perfectly predictive or super influential. But i think just the concept of pitch counts in the idea that one hundred is some kind of cut off. I think that really did make major impact. And i think that there were teams that took accused from that. And if you look at when pitch counts released started to fall and when one hundred became almost this ceiling of sorts. I think it was right around the time that bp really popularized that idea and put out that metric. So i think that probably deserves to be on there and again. Maybe it's gone too far. Maybe teams are too rigid about that hundred pitch women now but the impact that that had an that really got lodged in the brains of every manager in every front office. I think to me that probably deserves a spot. I think one thing that wasn't really represented on here is just the trend of analytics. People getting hired by teams like share. A lot of this is just sort of the sacred metric community and bloggers and writers making these contributions. but it doesn't really capture the migration into teams. That has happened in a huge way over the last couple of decades and so i would probably try to find a spot for maybe craig right getting hired by the rangers in the early eighties as the first person to have the title savior magician and work for team. He was sort of a trailblazer in that. Respect than i guess you know. Build james getting hired by red sox and you know just the avalanche of hirings that followed after that keith. Wilner and and others and the fact that hind bloom and james click are gm's now after having started as like bp interns and writers. I mean that's a milestone moment. Just the fact that you could go from total outsider to commit insider in not just as a stat head but as someone who is leading a department and being the public face of a front office. I mean that's a huge shift and as we've discussed like not all of these are positive. Changes like the pitch count thing. Maybe that's not entirely positive change. But just in the way that it's shaped baseball stands out to me as something you really couldn't have possibly conceived of in nineteen seventy one and it probably did. Help save some pitchers careers just by preventing the worst over work at an early age. Yeah and i think that they they get out at some with the idea of performance tech. But i would perhaps have liked to see that and like here. I'm asking for two hundred blurb to better an entire aspect of the game. But i think that i perhaps would have liked to see player development as its own evolving field represented in here and how that is intertwined with analytics. And it's part of a lot of these but maybe that instead of parks. And maybe that one but i don't have a you know. Perhaps they should have taken the approach to fifty that we do to the top one hundred towards like well. It's one hundred and some yes. Yeah i was thinking. Maybe brian bannister using pitch affects data to adjust his pitch. Mix and start throwing a cutter and then talking about that publicly. That seemed like a landmark moment to me that foreshadowed the role that analytics would play in player development and the fact that players were often the ones driving that innovation strategy is not on here which i think is probably just because strat predates nineteen. One eight was invented before that. But that's been such a formative influence on so many sabre attrition. so it'd be nice to have something like that on here. Like diamond. Mind or or out of the park some sort of you know really sophisticated simulator. That has been used by front offices or has influenced people who went on to work in baseball. I thought a little bit. About doug pappas and the work that he did on the economics of baseball and gathering salary figures that just were not really publicly accessible and some of the like marginal marginal dollars metrics that came out of his work and this. I don't know when you could exactly pinpoint but this too. But just the concept of index stats of just opie s plus era plus arrate eerie minus and wrc. Plus i mean that is such a big part of the way i consume the game. Now the the i stat. That i will look at or site and i don't know exactly when that dates to but just the idea of you know having the one hundred baseline and then above that or below that his better worst depending on the staten at being something that accounts for park effects and and all of that and is just kind of a a one number thing like that to me. You know along with war and warp and wind chairs and and those metrics are on here. Just you know these are offense. Only or or pitching only near they cover one aspect of performance but just as a hindi frame of reference. I think that has changed. Certainly how i talk about or understand the sport. I think a an easy to explain reference right like having having the ability to say that one hundred is average and every point above that as a percentage above average. I think that there's a sort of comprehensibility to that that is really useful. When you're trying to help someone else understand why you think about the game in a particular way in a way. That is like a nice introduction to advance stats. That helps you build up to other sort of all encompassing numbers like wins above replacement. So i i think that's a good ad then like that. Yeah the only other ones. I thought of You know in some cases like there's some influential stats that are similar to steps that are represented on here so like ucr. For instance is not on here but d. r. s.'s on here right sherri nichols and her work on defensive average like you know there are some similar sewn based defensive systems so if you have fifty spots maybe you don't put every single one on there and there are cases where one person gets the credit for something that was sort of a group effort so catcher framing is on here of course as it should be in the blurb says mike fast was the first to measure the effect of catchers pitch framing. That's not technically true. As i think mike would acknowledge there were earlier. Researchers like dan turk and cough. And max marquee. Who were doing that. Work that mike built on and refined and popularized in the private sphere. My friend alex ruben. A co with the yankees who discovered framing in two thousand nine. A couple of years before makes work was published. But i did wonder if maybe jay jaffe would get nod for jaws and You know burt bly. Levin's induction is on here. I think that's a good pick that i'm not sure even thought of but just as someone who was propelled into the hall by the campaigning of reiterer and other analysts sewer taking safer metric approach to advocating for that player which was then followed by tim raines and edgar martinez and larry walker and mike mussina hopefully scott rolen and and others who were kind of caused celebrities of the say per metric community so that was good but i think jay and jaws. Obviously war is on here and causes made of war but that has changed how we talk about and think about the hall of fame. Couple others. I thought about as manager steve burrow citing his use of bic kramer's edge computer system in the early eighty s. I think tony larussa did too. That was a pretty primitive system. But just the idea that the manager was spitting out stats from a computer and using that to set lineups and play matchups and then saying so publicly that sort of set the stage for much more deeply ingrained use of numbers to make in game decisions and of course some of the systems like linear weights or the research that tom tango and others did on tactics and the third time through the order penalty etc is already represented on this list. But still the idea that a manager was actually trying to look at and use this information was pretty revolutionary. There is also a company called a vm. Systems that i wrote about at grantland several years ago. They were mentioned in money. Paul because they were sort of this secretive behind the scenes company that was tracking every play for years baseball and came up with these outcome independent metrics and values stats many many years before they were available publicly and really before. Mlb was ready for them but their system powered a lot of what the moneyball as implemented. And i think christina. Cairo coining the term. Three true outcomes is pretty important again for us. Mccracken's research which led to ban v. That is on here but christina coining that term predated that research i believe and led to us thinking of those things as a concept which again in the long run may have done some damage but definitely a paradigm shift there. Victor wang's prospect valuation model at the hardball times published in two thousand and eight. I think that established a framework that has been re purposed by a lot of subsequent researchers to figure out what a prospect is worth what a draft pick is worth and. I think that has seeped into front offices. Now too and has changed this sorts of transactions that we see and then also felix hernandez winning the cy young award with thirteen and twelve win. Loss record in twenty ten. When a lotta pitchers had more impressive win loss records. That was sort of a sign of the times in indicated a shift in how players were being evaluated by media members. At least the only other thing that occurred to me is maybe baseball between the numbers. Just for me personally. That was hugely influential in. Yeah they're a lot of you know the hidden game. Baseball is on here. And the diamond appraised and the baseball abstracts and all sorts of great books and baseball between the numbers. At least for me like that was the thing. That got me hooked. The book is on here as well but yet for me i think was the thing that really got me into it. I guess it came around at the right time right. Found it at the right time and the writing is so good in that book. I was just about to say the pros and that doesn't get the recognition. I think it really raves. Yeah and like the book that you know. The analysis is is brilliant. But it's written or safer magicians really by sabre patricians. It's it's not The most lyrical were relatable language. It's just straight up studies and research results in. It's clear and i think presented in a coherent understandable way. But i think baseball between the numbers is a good introduction. If you're someone who's not sold on this stuff yet and you don't want to take the the hardcore course you don't wanna plunge right into the deep end you won't kind of the one. Oh one version and when you look back at the people who contributed to that book it's like like half of them are working for front office now. Seems like i mean james. Click in there and keith wilner and others so that was the caliber of the analysis. That you getting. You had nate silver writing about win curves and of these influential concept so that shaped my thinking and their great books on here so i see why there may be a limit but that was the one that came to mind as if i could find a spot for someone else or something else that might get on there. Hopefully they'll do a fifty most influential books and that we can give give all of them there. Do i mean if we're going to do film into e baseball cards as we ought then. I think that having a having a dedicated reading list would be good. Just because you know i like to give other people were yeah. Well i'll link to this list and If you read it and see any notable emissions feel free to email us and suggest what you would do but i think it's a collector cise and i think they did a pretty good job with it so we will take a quick break and we'll be right back with an talk a little bit of baseball and a lot of mars perceives. All right well as promised. We are happy to be joined. Now by shannon tally. Who is a systems engineer. At nasa jet propulsion laboratory and a software engineer for masses perseverance. Mars rover which will be landing in an well as we record here just a little bit more than five days less than by the time you hear this and shannon just got out of a meeting where she was planning important. Mars luther stuff cut short to make it to this. Podcast hopefully not hopefully accomplished to there. But we thank you very much for coming back on. It must be a busy time for you. Yeah thanks so much for having me back excited to chat about the mission and what we've been up deal and maybe some baseball things. We'll see. yeah. I wanna start with a thing. I believe the last time that we had you on someone from the salt lake. Bees heard your podcast appearance and contacted you about throwing out first. Pitch do that. That was a delay of minor league baseball. I didn't see a highlight of you. Totally screw you know like fifty cents or something. So i assume it went. Okay look it was a little outside. We'll say that may have been a little low but that was yeah. That was great. I was so much fun. Yeah they reached out to the we. Actually let it There's a planetarium into lake city. That was doing kind of like an outreach program with them and so i got to go and like before the game. We chatted about your twenty twenty and robotics and like a cute little setup of driving these little like lego vodka around a track and it was very cute. And i got the answer some questions from kids. It was totally delightful. That was great back in the days when we used to be able to ballparks games and they actually played minor league games. I can't wait for that to happen again. We didn't know how good we had it. I know that yeah. That was totally a delight. So i wanna ask you about the mission and landing at what you've been working on but i guess we could ease into it with some baseball stuff and we talked last time about the mets. 'cause you're a fan and i was just at some of the replies to the tweets that you sent when you were on the podcast a couple years ago and some mets fans responded to it. One said help build a communication system that connects the mets -ality. I remember that one. Another person said as a fellow mit spent. I have to ask. How can we send the wilpon to mars. A lot has changed since then. It's been a busy eventful. offseason for the mets. It's been a bit of a mixed bag. Some highs and lows but a new regime. At least how are you feeling about the mets projection systems. Right now seemed to really believe in the mets as an al east division winners. Yeah i mean we've been burned before by projection systems. Sorry eddie has than i will say. It has been a a little bit of an emotional rollercoaster through the whole wilpon selling the team Situation happening over the past year and definitely some highs and lows during this offseason. I mean the mets in terms of basil. They've definitely i think on better. So that's good news and there have been like i've seen some interesting like tweet the past couple of days. A possible trades comes so we'll see if that pans out and so i'm again hopelessly optimistic as in gave i ended up at this point Every year around this time like we're almost ready to start spring training. I'm always like med type train. You know on on the tracks around utah up again on may and bill and i notice that the dodgers also made their way into your twitter bio so it. It has to have been a very strange ear. What was the experience of rooting for the dodgers through the pandemic like for you yet. The dodgers it was definitely. I guess a bright spot i think in i think a lot of dodger fans can really. I mean no one could go to games. I usually in normal years ago. Too many dodger games. Which is why i consider myself kind of a dodger fan now. I was at the time during the whole playoffs. Like on the east coast staying with my parents for a few months. And they were all reading against the dodgers. So that was kinda you know me on my own supporting them. It was definitely a strange fan experience. Sometimes i forget that they actually won the world series and things remind me of it. I'm like oh yeah. That was an ace. I will say it was definitely at a time. I think baseball can be nicer distraction from every everything else. That's going wrong. Or you know stressful things in your life. And i think having the being able to support the dodgers through that postseason was something that made the pandemic little easier to bare. But i am very excited for whenever it happens to be able to actually go to games again. How would you compare sort of the depths of your feelings for the two teams. I guess you can't compare world championships. The mets haven't won one in your lifetime. But how do you think it would compare into you. Feel something like you think. You might feel if the mets won or are the dodgers just kind of a casual interest just because saddam. Homework casual man was excited. I was obviously rooting for them. I mean they had a fantastic team to for them you know. I really admired their like approach to building. A team is a good team. It'll be really excellent again this year but yet definitely you know if it came to a playoff series between the mets dodgers. I would be rooting for the mets. I would be alienating. My dodgers grand. Hopefully they would forgive that given the longevity of your mets fandom. There's you know. Ben and i recently have been talking to a couple of folks about some of the breakthroughs that physics has brought to two baseball. Here we were thinking that all of the low hanging sabermetrics fruit had been picked in. There is nothing new to advance the sport and then Seem shifted wake comes along. And i'm curious if you're able to find time to to keep up with all of the physics advances with in baseball and if that part of the game is still interesting to you because suddenly i'm i'm feeling a little out of my depth because i only did two years of high school. Physics didn't pursue an undergraduate degree. Yeah that's a good question. I've tried to keep up with advances recently with physics in baseball past couple years. I do think it's extremely interesting. There's still a lot left to learn about the specifics of how a baseball flies in the air. Like i am really kind of like fascinated by the idea that that's still not known in detail and there are still things to learn about that. I think that will continue. I definitely there are baseball people in physics or physics people in baseball. There's definitely a lot more to study there. And i definitely feel like things have taken a step more in the physics direction. The past couple of years. I think that will continue on continue. So i'm excited to see that. Don't think you need to know physics to no baseball. But i think that there are some interesting study is being done on how those really on a detailed level and really sort of enriching the knowledge that we can have publicly about above. Baseball's do physics a really cool advancement in the past couple of years. That's very generous of you know. You don't need to have a whiteboard writing out equations. Couldn't use for both of us this relief. So you've been waiting for next week for a really long time now. As long as you've been waiting for mets world series win against still years. I mean even the last time we talked to you which is more than two years ago. You knew the exact date. February eighteenth twenty twenty one that the rover was supposed to touch down. That is still the case. So what is it like to have. That date circled for so long. And how has oceans and your interpretation ramped up as that date has approached now actually at the point. I think a few days ago or maybe a week ago. I got the point where i was starting to be actually anxious about it. It seems like a far off date for a long time as we said. Last time we talked was like two years ago. And we've done a lot since then and even recently. It seemed that kind of a distant future. It's been very busy. There's been a lot of work that we've had to do in order to prepare for service operations and we couldn't have interpreted the pandemic still happening as an extra you kinda cog in the wheel of our are planning and what we thought we would do. Versus housing is actually going to happen. But yet it's been it's it is really emotional Worked on march twenty since premiss. When i started at j.p eligible in two thousand sixteen and so it was very surreal to watch the rover being builds. Agile back when we could still go to lab as software engineers and even more surreal. Knowing that. it's it's now. It's it's at mars like that's insane. I was i was going to ask you. How the pandemic change your workflow. Because you know on the one hand once once it. Launches rovers on. Its way. but you can't really it's going to. It's going to get to mars no matter what the events here on earth are so. How has your day to day changed. And what have you been able to do in person with your colleagues since this all started. Yeah i've amber software engineer. So i've pretty much been working from home since last march. I've only been to lab winter twice like pickup saying that being said on landing day If you to watch. I'm you'll see our of engineers on lab. They will be in control. They are certain things that they have to do on site computers. But everything much that can be remote has been made remote like many other organizations. We had to quickly adjust to that last march when the lab payments closed the except for essential People and that's kind of been what we've been operating under like i said i was on the east coast very few months for example last year and so that was kind of a blessing curse in a way that i was able to spend more time with my my parents take care of things that they needed but also like i do miss seeing my colleagues on live every day lab and it's definitely something that you know two years ago we wouldn't have been conceived of you know i was looking forward to going to launch which i didn't get to do because they've had american even at launch. I was like well. You know it'll be over by landing and not landing and it's over So we still can't have any great parties or are watch parties or things like that. And that's i think definitely something that in the future look back on and kind of like be upset about but for now. It's you know it's the way that things have to go. We can't control or bill geometry so we are going to mars rape and so this is how it is. He'll just have to delay. Your dodgers world series party and you're landing party and have one big bash safer exactly exactly so we've barely lift our houses for months but severe. It's has traveled white about three hundred million miles or something like that over the past seven months so once it gets going. It's not hard for it to keep going but it has to stop and has to stop not to suddenly and land softly enough that it doesn't ruin all of your hard work. So for mets fans the seven minutes of terror is when edwin diaz enters safe situation but for nasa. It's something else and so. I guess it's not your primary responsibility to figure out how to land this thing but i'm sure you're at least a little familiar with how that works so what will have to happen next week. Yeah so how it will. Work is basically. If you choose breakouts you'll see the souls zero team Bobi jpl monitoring all of that summit you get back up to. When the rover enters. The upper atmosphere of mars are we drove is a seven minutes of terror. As you're due at the time in which a lot of things can go wrong but we can't do anything about it. The spacecraft has still ended itself has a lot of tools to do that safely. We've improved a lot that the basic serve structure is the same as a curiosity landing and that we have a parachute stage and we have The sky crane with basically. This is a spacecraft in its own propulsion systems. And so it'll hover over the surface and then lower the river to the ground gently unsafely all of that however when it has to be done autonomously on board and so it'll be a stressful time for everyone. Because we won't. We can't do anything like we can't enter drive. All of our work is done by then so Or just waiting to have it back to us and tell us that it's that it's been safely. Landed the improvements since the last time when curiosity landed our landing site is a lot more complex in that. It's more dangerous. Desert creators were relating on mars. And it's an ancient bad and so it's really scientifically interesting and there are a lot of really cool rocks cliffs around at that could give us insights to whether or not exist on mars and how that develops in how the water situation was on buyers billions of years ago. That's all very interesting. But in order to land there we had to really be confident that the spacecraft could land safely there. We wouldn't have landed curiosity there. The major improvement software wise was this system called terrain relative navigation which is basically a really fast image processor board that a conventional things like sharp rocks when he features. We don't want to land on and navigate the rover before the sky crane lowers over Like to a safe spot inside its potential landing ellipse. So there's been a lot of develop been in the past adding it's two thousand twelve isn't curiosity landed so almost ten years since then. There's been a lot of improvements made on this offer. Aside in the autonomous operation side to allow us to land in more like risky but more scientifically interesting areas on mars in march. Twenty will be winning in one of those. So it'll be scary and it'll be very emotional. But i think we're we're definitely prepared in a good spot. The ops engineers working with the past couple of years like the whole team is amazing. So i have full confidence that the mission will and that's really like when the mission starts a lot of the systems. I've been building our service operations only and so from my perspective. When they touchdown ground is when a lot of this offer every building like comes into play. Yeah that's something that always gets me choked up. I'm not a particularly weepy person in general. But if you wanna get me going like just show me. The people in mission control just like something touchdown that they've spent like huge chunks of their lives and pulled off this incredible engineering feat. And then there's hopefully this moment of relief and elation and just seeing that i was just find that to be a really inspirational moment. It's amazing and a lot of people don't know that even after we land a lot of those people have a grueling schedule ahead of them in the first many days after we land. There's a long serve checkout process transition process into normal surface so a lot of the ops engineers have to work on mars time which is what we call the schedule where you have to go into work forty minutes later every day because the rover sleeps at night and the martian days around forty minutes longer than earth day. So they will be. I'm not jealous of them. I get to work at a normal schedule besides being on call but they you know they'll be working on this very typical through the middle of the night sometimes changing every day schedule and more power to them. They're excellent people. I know when when you ran last time with bannon jeff. You talked a bit about the the samples that would be collected on the surface with the i two those being returned to earth eventually by future nasa mission. And i wonder if you have any sense of what the projected timeline for such a return would be. I know it's probably a rude question to ask you to think about the next mission with this one Just about to touchdown but one would focus on earth. Get to have that stuff returned to them. And what are some of the things that you're hoping that we're going to learn from those samples yet. I think currently the timeline for that moore sample return is emission. That jacob worked in concept zion. I think the they did pass a important review towards the end last year with nasa in terms of you know kind of checking it out making sure that it was feasible. They have a partnership with the european space agency to help out with it. It will be later in the twenty twenties for sure by the time. The samples returned back to earth Twenty thirty there is a lot of things that are still up in the air about the mission. But it's it's being actively discussed developed as we speak and it will happen Several years away and part of the reason why we want to bring samples back to earth. Is that despite. All of the capability is on the rovers. Both curiosity and perseverance. They're still out of work. Geologically and biologically that people can only do in their labs and we want to be able to have foreseen samples taken from ours that scientists can look at as closely as they want to in mars science. Ops it's pretty limited in terms of capability as compared to what above We can deal out of science or but there are still things that even things that we may not know. we're looking for that are a lot more progressive by scientists on on earth. That whole time of on mars is obviously a huge open question in the field. Martian geology is very interesting and the possibility of life on mars is also very interesting in terms of highlight could have originated on earth and so all the open questions that we can learn from ours are probably a better served by scientists being able to dive into them on earth even though the river can do really good times on its own. It's on earth a lot more capabilities. Yeah and this is a really busy month for mars. In fact the march twenty twenty mission is is the last of three to arrive at the red planet just this month alone. The uae's hope orbiter just got there. If a few days ago and china's qian win mission just arrived there too in is in orbit and there's a lander component to that mission to so is there any complementary science being done there or is there some level of coordination to make sure we didn't all pick the same lending spider. We're not gonna bump into each other in orbit. That's a good question. We definitely were lookout for things like that. Like collisions with other spacecrafts. We haven't coordinated in terms of science with either of those missions. They are really like own. I'm glad that they are spacecraft. Or on mars. Nasa has certain i dunno into a agreements that kind of associate with a china restrict us from coordinating directly with those missions. But we are interested in the science that they can provide and there's also a benefit to having more spacecraft orbiting mars in the future. We expect a lot. More spacecraft to be operating on mars on spacecraft will have to communicate with earth through orbiting spacecraft. So it's always benefits everyone to have more options open for mars infrastructure purposes to have the the ability for all of this crap that will be on mars to do more science damore productive together. So what part do you play in getting perseverance transmissions back to earth or talking to the rover. Yes there's when we talked to the river we do it directly to the river itself that most of the data that the reverse ends back is through. The the mars relay network which is referring to this orbiters orbiting bars. I worked in oxford america for number of years. I may have talked about that. Last night is on this. podcast on. Moreau's mars orbiter that has i've been in operation. Since season six in mars orbit and it plays like a pivotal part in a relaying both engineering telemetry data that we analyze my software analyzes to make sure that the save at that the state of the river is known in addition to science data products. That are large. the orbiter's have much larger hiking. Antennas so they are a lot more efficient sending data back to earth on the this the landers themselves and moreau specifically will play a huge part in our landing of march twenty next week. 'cause it will have the responsibility of relate the sort of real time data back during ideo so a lot of clemency. That you'll see during the landing is being played through moreau and that was huge effort to able to have capability and the orbiter definitely the unsung heroes of every mission. And i think a lot of people who may be aren't super familiar with the work that nas has been doing in these missions in the past. Think of you know landing sort of the be all end on clearly. You can't do anything that comes after that if the landing isn't successful but for listeners. Who aren't as familiar. How long do these missions last. And will you remain engaged with it for the duration. Or will you start to cycle off onto other projects yet for that later question that depends on. Jpl's resource allotment. The rubers themselves oliver merged missions are designed to last as long as possible. The prime mission is two years. That's when we have to collect the number of samples that we said we would from ours. Tiny twenty which is like one of the major mission success criteria but the rivers themselves are designed to last pretty much indefinitely. Curiosity has been operating since two thousand twelve. We had the previous rivers spirit. Opportunity both lasted many yeas. Curiosity will probably outlast those due to the The power system being different both calcium march twenty nuclear powered so they don't have to have the the solar power so the mission themselves bars we. If we've spent the time and the resources to send something tomorrow's they'll last as long as possible and even many things that you would think of an engineering side that would like kill the project. There are ways that ops engineers have found to keep the spacecraft operating way outside at the originally designed criteria which is like very cool. And they'll be around as long as possible. I think curiosity mars money. It'll be ten years. At least i think and in terms of how. Jpl works in terms of funding ends up. The funding for missions are operations does good on every year and so you have to find ways to become more efficient cross train people through different subsystems and stuff that serve a normal case though the work that will ramp up in jail like mars sample return and our next flagship mission which is to europa data launch. Somewhere on twenty twenty five or twenty twenty six so a lot of march fights many people end up working on that but yet the the mars missions we definitely invested interested in keeping them running pretty much as long as they possibly can and even in some cases beyond what we thought was possible. And i think one things that jeff s. Us time was. What are the most common questions you tend to get when people find out what you do. And you said that one of them was about politics and the presidential administration and how that affected nasa and under the trump administration guests. Nasa's budget actually increased a bit still to a miniscule amount in the grand scheme of things and now there's a new presidential administration. I saw that. Joe biden has a moon rock in the oval office. That's very cool. I'm jealous. I wish i festival unnecess- set some pretty ambitious goals about getting humans back to the moon in the next few years and tomorrow's in the next fifteen years or so. So what's your level of optimism about the federal support for those initiatives. The coming years yeah. I'm very optimistic. I think in the trump era as we spoke last time. I'm not sure if they had confirmed the nasa administrator yet but we actually were pretty lucky as a federal agency. The have an administrator who wasn't actively trying to kill the agency brand signs a lot of good work in securing funding for nasa and making even make our science missions priority. A lot of j. pillars were nervous. They would immediately kill all earth science missions And kill support for a longer term missions. I didn't really come to pass. And you know we. We got pretty lucky. There in terms of how things changed Office now. I think that that sort of like a the ability to do science will only be furthered by the federal government now. That biden is in charge. I think we'll have a lot more support. And i think that it's very exciting that they have. I think a couple weeks ago that press secretary for the biden administration said that they were still committed artists project. Which is the lending people on the moon in two thousand twenty four. We'll see the money. Is there for that. But i think it's very encouraging that the new administration believes that that's a focus for them. And i think that nasr's ability to designs performed space exploration will only be the increase in the next few years so very optimistic on that front yoga. The last year has not been a banner year on the earth's surface but it was a pretty exciting year in a lot of wind merck accomplishments when it came to spaceflight and space exploration which was sort of bittersweet like crewed missions to the iss resumed. Nasa spacex his partnership in some of the other cool missions elsewhere in the solar system. A lot of that was great to see and also be nice if we could figure things out that home here but hopefully we can a little bit of both. I was reading earlier this week about an idea for a nuclear powered rocket that could maybe get astronauts to morrison three or so. Still speculative astronauts on mars. I think there's i don't think a lot of people realized how much larger villages six problem is going to the moon in terms of you have to a several month trips there if you launch in the best launch window like the reason why those other missions of guidance is in the past couple of weeks because we all launched and the mars launch window. Len earth mars closest together. If you want outside of that window you can get to one or years travel time based on your current propulsion systems and so when we send astronauts tomorrow's it'll likely be at least a year and a half long mission for the astronauts and to support them just in being able to live and do their jobs it. It will take a lot of effort officer before and during that mission in to be able to keep them happy. So i do think that mission tomorrow will happen. Probably sometime in the in the twenty thirty use. A lot of the technology that were demonstrating on mars. Sample return are things that will be used in that. Like the launching from the surface of mars rendezvous viewing with an orbiter above mars and then sending them back to earth economists all of these steps that we want to be able to demonstrate that we can do robotically before we send humans to try to perform them and so every mars mission that were doing like right now and through the next decade is paving the way to being able to send him to tomorrow's march twenty twenty Perseverance has this near the tech demo. Instrument called moxie which is An instrument to create oxygen out of the martian atmosphere which will be very important for both rockets in humans on mars and so many things are done kinda strategically as a step towards getting humans to mars that mission and self is it will be a lot of e a lot so one more thing i wanted to ask you. I don't know if everyone's aware of this. But i think it's really interesting. I wrote about this last july when prince was launching. But we've all become very used to trying not to contaminate our own environments over the past year wearing masks washing our hands it takes to avoid getting infected or infecting others and that's something that nasa has always taken great pains to do with its own missions to other planets that might potentially harper life or might have at some point and as you mentioned. Perseverance is going to be trying to find evidence of ancient life on mars. And so it's pretty important to make sure that the life you are detecting is not life that hitched a ride from earth. So there's a lot of care taken to try to sterilize the spacecraft in and make sure that there aren't any unwanted passengers so again i'm sure not the Primary responsibility of the software engineer. But something i'm sure you're familiar with. Yeah we have As a protection office and nasa headquarters that has a say in the landing sites especially on mars. End the various degrees of certainty. You have to be that your spacecraft is clean before you can land on those specific places that could be more habitable to currently that. They restrict from landing on for the specific purpose. The river we shipped out. March may twenty eight to florida like last february and like it stayed at an airforce base for a day or two before got shipped onto the plane. That was having a at that time that had like the only known coronavirus patients in the us at it and we talked to that added meetings of like nature. We didn't bring ovid's mars. My gosh of there is like a little bit of extra discussion with that but we ended up pretty positive that the river is very clean but was at jpl and it can be space scenario. They do a really excellent job at making sure that we're not. We don't have bacteria viruses hitching rides. Of course he can't perfect and you'll want to be. The person not claims that you found life on mars when it was really the life that you brought to mars but yeah i think we're definitely that's definitely a concern that nasa people out of attention sue and that everyone who participates in space exploration should pay attention to bless them. We talk to you. I think we said maybe you would want to work in baseball. Some day and seemed like you might entertain that possibility. But i think you said that you needed to make sure that the rover landed i so i guess we're almost at that point and then you can decide if you want to turn your attention elsewhere or stick with Exploring the solar system so of possibilities. I love baseball. I i think that like baseball is definitely in a state now. It's like super interesting and it was still two years go by. I think even more now with the technology advancements as super fascinating the amount of data analytics as possible in baseball now. And i am excited to see that changes over the next few years. But we'll see. I think i don't know i like working on mars. Now i'm martian. Well we wish you luck with the landing. We wish you luck with the mets. I don't know if there's like a traditional best of luck message that you're supposed to send to someone who's spacecraft is slanting like a break. Don't break anything nothing breaks. We have a lucky peanuts tradition. Jpl back in the in the sixty s jpl was really in a bad spot because we had tried to land on the moon in really succeed. Several times failed a win win situation. We just missed the moon entirely is embarrassing. In the lab was on thin ice before ranger seven seven actually succeeded a landing on the moon and during that lending the michigan chill engineers. Were passing around us. And so ever since then for any landing in michigan. You'll you'll see this next week. You'll see like the. They'll be passing peanuts in michigan so a good landing right. Well we'll be watching and following and hoping for the best and if anything like some of the previous river missions it will do a lot of great science and said beck a lot of interesting images for all of us and you can find shannon on twitter at shannon t tally. That's t. o. w. e. y. If you need anyone to throw the first pitch. I guess she's willing to have a that too. Yeah you can get a strike next. Time website is chin and tallied dot com. Hasn't blocked about baseball in a well. I guess you've been busy sending spacecraft. Well great talking to you. And maybe we can have you back on in the future to dissect how things have gone yet for sure. Thanks so much for having me guys all right. Well if you haven't heard shannon's first appearance on the podcast. I would recommend going back and listening to that because we didn't cover much of the same ground again. That was episode. Thirteen twenty one thing. We talked about that first time that we didn't touch on this time. Was the mars helicopter ingenuity. Which will be landing along with perseverance and sending back some of those cool photos that we were just talking about it. Only flies for ninety seconds or so at a time gets ten to fifteen feet off the but this is the first test of powered flight on another planet and could be a proof of concept for future flying missions on other worlds. Obviously tough to get something to stay up in the air in the thin martian atmosphere but in genuity is going to try to show that it can be done and it's kind of cute looking. It's like four pounds scott. These big rotors rooting for too. I should also mention. You're probably aware that. Some people have come from nasa to and upi front offices like sake mattel. The orioles assistant shampoo. Who used to be a nasa engineer but sometimes it works the other way too and there have been. Some lower level are in people in baseball front offices who have switched over to nasa. I believe in recent years which is part of an ongoing brain drain in vr departments. Which are j. anderson. Wrote about for cbs sports last year. I'll link to that piece but you have low salaries in the front offices you have low level analysts who can't really get hurt by the decision. Makers may they're part of big groups and don't have a lot of individual clout and of course teams are cutting back across the board as well and there have been some mlb rnd people who have gone over to nasa and hopefully you're finding fulfilment they're contributing to science in an important way but that is something for mlb teams to be aware of their are greener pastures. Pay your people if you can and most teams can. You can also pay us in help. Support effectively wild on patriot by going to patriot dot com slash effectively wild. The following posters have already signed up and played some left mount to help keep the podcast going and get themselves access to some perks. 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Big hulking metal suits so i decided to fill in here but of course i'm not alone much like peggy has a partner I am joined by the constant in this equation here on everything super the great kevin mateo. Kevin how's it going. I'm skinny kevin forever and always now in this universe that's that's my alternate universe self no this universe and regular universe in universe. I am not skinny. Universe saying universe. One reason the farnsworth since you've made that reference so episodes but that's the thing you know does get to too much down the the futurama what if rabbit hole but it is actually a very similar construct in the opening that we get you ingest it a great job of i think you know addressing what we did and really didn't know about what if and that opening monologue done impeccably from jeffrey right watson he seems to imply here at least that everything. In what if is going to serve spurred on by this nexus event to use a piece of lexicon from loki right at like one thing happens differently and then you see what else happens for the one nail. A war was lost or one in this case. I would be intrigued to see how. In what instance. Kevin becomes skinny kevin university. What for that long better choices as well right. It was like oh if every coin flip was essentially happened so how straightforward the futurama was. Does that every in this reality. Whatever coin flip ended up the opposite end of the coin. Us be and i loved it that was divergent and i think that that's so great In this yet there's next events as as they're being called as they started to be called here of points in the marvel universe in which something important happened in that diversion branch right. And i think that's interesting in that school. That's what the original comic series posited but it also like simplifies certain things because the idea of the multi is always like well if every choice matters than there's just like impotent universes and i'm like well technically yes and this like condenses it right. It's only specific moments in time specific nexus events that causes these branches And the one of nail is actually a great example. Right like d. c. Actually did this with A highly recommended Elsewhere slash multi-diverse story called the nail where basic can never got to the rocket for superman because a nail road gave them a flat tire. And how change a dc university. It's like incredible. it's really really well done So like we're not maybe going to have something as simple as that here feels like. They're very very specific. Next moments like with this one being. What if package go upstairs. I don't lesson were is going to be one episode. You mentioned it before. I don't know what the decision point is in this universe that gets us his gumbi's incredibly intrigued to see like. Oh someone didn't leave the door closed on this experimental. I dunno germ warfare. That they were murky. God and now all of a sudden captain. America's zombie should be really interesting. You're talking about coins before we get further into. What if i want to talk about our sponsor for this week something that can save you a bunch of coins that you can flip in the air ever. You want to gyco. Do you own your home. Sure you do. And i bet it can be hard work you know. It's easy bundling policies with geico dot com makes it easy to on your homeowner's or renter's insurance along with your auto policy it's a good thing too because you already have so much to do around your home. Go to geico dot com. Get a quote and see how much you could save gyco easy visit. Geico dot com today. That's geico dot com so easy a super soldier can use it. As my new tagline for it everything old is new again. Kevin because much like that. Tag that often tagline from early two thousands. We are back in the forties to talk about re-litigating events from captain america. The first avenger with the very first episode of marvel's what if what if the dot dot dot. Peggy carter got the super soldier serum. I might be paraphrasing there But very simplistic title structure. We got a lot to get into. I think despite it being only half an hour but kevin start by giving me your your overall. This was our first dip into the official waters of a very new very different series for the. Mc you in total especially compared to what we've seen on disney plus otherwise what's the consensus on it thumbs up thumbs down. Ibm for me. Super thumbs up. I really loved it. It delivered what i want from like. What if series changing branches reality some would be widely divergent summer. Not going to be super different sometimes. Reality course correction you end up in a very similar situation where things end up almost identical but after like this huge change right. let's Sometimes happened in the comics with this one. I just really liked it. I liked the animation style was a little bit to get used to not used to that particular style of animation. But once i got used to it. I was into it. I really liked how the story played out at. I can't even begin to express how much i love. Captain carter ma got like there's it's it's like let's see the community when the dean is just like oh. I hope this doesn't awaken something in me and did to be fair. I think that the was awaken karate but like just reconfirmed like when she came out of there and she's jack and then she's in the costume just like what skinny steve. All about this like this is like it's generally in line like i wanna dance now. She's so great. And i love how the character was. I love the action. There's so much. I really loved about. How laid out. There's one main story complaint. I have which we can we'll get into. I'm sure but overall i mean for me. I really liked it. I think it's a great introduction to like what what what is can be where it's not too crazy. It's not too weird. It's it's goldilocks right. Just enough yeah exactly. I mean i had a lot of fun watching this. And the other thing about this as well. And i talked about this actually when i when i sit it on. The low-key finale is that this series was not ever going to be as deep and thematic as the past three series that we have gotten like this is popcorn fun. This is going to a candy store. And just like filling up with a bunch of different things getting home shoving a bunch of your mouth and experiencing all these weird flavor profiles at the same time and that being said. My sweet tooth has been satiated. I think it was. Maybe if the story did not necessarily bear creative fruit. I think there is a lot of potential in so many ways which i definitely want to get into from both the short term and a long term perspective from that. We'll talk about the animation as well. That's certainly was unique. But i think it's a strong star and i can understand why they started the way that they did. Because i know that we have certainly at least in our post show recaps district community. It's been a mixed reception. I think some people came in much. Kevin sort of guns blazing like you're charging him with the howling commandos and being like great. What if i wanna see freaky tiki things. But i think this show started understandably quote unquote. Grounded it's weird to say that cap stuff has is the most ground of the mc you because it's about a person who gets injected with stuff that makes him just like incredibly super humanly powerful. But i think compared to aliens and wizards basic compared to the big three You know steve. Rogers is relatively normal with his plights. And i think your point if you want to ease casual audiences who have come in. Who have stayed through the mc you into this very new type of thing. I think it makes sense to go with something. That is quite familiar. Perhaps to its detriment. where some people might say. There's a lot of corbin copying here with the first avenger. Mapping it onto peggy carter. I do think like it or hated. It was a conscious choice on the part of the creators. to basically be like okay in this show things are going to be a little bit different now. Look we're not gonna completely throw you into boiling water. We're going to turn it up a degree and show you. Here's something you're familiar with with different character so then we can get the eventual escalation into zombies. If you go full zombie episode one there. I guarantee either some people who are going to love the crap out of it but some people that are like okay marvel. This show absolutely is not for me. Yeah and here's the thing like if there's complaints about this isn't that different. I don't know if i've won necessarily agrees not that different there. A lot of beads end up the same. But that's how time usually plays out like a small change in who went in. There isn't gonna affect literally everything something's would be but this wouldn't right like that one change is not gonna affect too much and i think there's multiple levels about why one i think the idea of just like what if peggy gardens of the steve shouldn't be that huge of a change because to extent is just like what if the female character got it instead of the male character and i don't we don't want it to honestly go either way the extremes. We don't want to shave the worst because that would be bad or she'd be better because the that would feel for some people. I think they would have even worse of a backlash. I think the idea of just like it's about the same is actually what i kind of. Enjoy his just like. It's about the same but just a different flavor. There's just a different flag on there. And i think that's like to me in terms of just like there's not a huge difference to that i like. There's other things that i really do love though i love the idea that even though it's getting steve abject peggy they're still super into each other because it's not about how they look physically. I was so happy about that. I also just want to see a lot of like that. 'cause plate now i wish we had convention 'cause i wanna see 'cause plays for the pandemic as like super social distance basically a bubble boy if you put yourself in the medal hydra stompers student. I want i just want skinny dude. Stephen regular fatigues listen. I think as a skinny nerd myself. It's like oh finally we've been seen. We found her person. We're not just spiderman anymore. So i mean you're asking. Is captain carter. Better or worse than captain america. It's weird 'cause. I would say better but i think it's due to the medium and that segues into some animation talk because by far in my opinion the strongest thing from this half hour was the action. The atoms awesome it was. It was like immaculate. Maybe some of the best. I've seen in the you in quite some time but i think it's no coincidence that it's because it's animated and you can quite literally defy the laws of physics when she flips that tank hoke style or were when she or asia voltron mimicking rides the motorcycle into the camp. An drives it at least two dozen feet into the air and kicks it into a watch. Tower it's not physically possible even from cgi centers and again. That's why you'll love things like animation. Going all the way back 'til i you know the warner brothers. Who've is you get to have them do things. That just defy the laws of nature put. It also allows someone to be like well. Listen haley wells awesome. I don't think we can have a sequence of her jumping from plane to play in this. Kick ass montage and barrage the hell out of these nazis but we can do it here through animation and so i really do like the medium from a number of perspectives. Not only do you get the ability to bring back a bunch of actors which we got in this case. Not only with the return of hayley atwell got bradley whitford coming back as his much-maligned jackass sexes character from the agent. Quarter one of shorts. That i believe came with the iron man three. Dvd we got dominick coupes making a return. Move over john slattery. The true howard stark is here. We got the howling commandos. Came back. sebastian. Stan made her return which people have opinions on. So it's an opportunity to to bring those actors back. Just i think there were. There was a matter of and i can understand that. The first time he opened his mouth. It's sounded a didn't sound. We're just felt like the voice did not necessarily fit the way that i think we saw the bucky character. And maybe it's just because sebastian. Stan does not necessarily have that like voice for animation. I personally got used to it. But i could. I got a couple of comments about how it was a bit of a shock at first of okay. Sebastian stands not having a great time doing this via work. But i think he eventually worked his way into or maybe we just got more used to it. Maybe i really notice too much. I mean maybe. I just am not a voice actor aficionado. That i don't know. I watch a lot of animation. I really didn't find anything that stuck out to the point of a detriment at all. Like i don't know the the idea of just like the sebastian stands voice acting wasn't great Almost very close to like pick a knits at this. Not the something yes. Let's talk about this animation style here because this is i think another bid of a thing that people are trying to get used to stylistically. Think yourself included kevin. You talked about this. Last week that the animation used is comparable to probably what's known as like scheldt cel shaded growl video games. You might experience this from things. Like legends zelter the wind waker or a lot of platinum games. Like beautiful joe. Probably its most more so known for the telltale series of games recipe telltale which actually dabbled in marvel a bit. They actually had a couple of installments of guardians of the galaxy series So it's a bit of a different look even from an animated perspective. I know kevin. You said you're still trying to wrap your brain around and you've got more episodes to do so this season. What's your opinion on it. So far is uncanny valley for you. Is it something you're still trying to get used to. You saw uncanny valley it. 'cause like uncanny valley i think you just have to be really cool much closer to like reality right like uncanny valley is like the. Da technology were to was like. Oh not quite. I think it's just a style of not used to it. It's gonna make me sound like an old. But like i think that's the thing for me is i grew up with very these animations that i'm really into and i think this is somewhere between your standard and you're like frozen style three the animation. That guy right like the. There's a there's a part between there and that's where this falls and am not fully used to it yet. i also was really against that time period. Where green lantern the animated series and star wars. Were all like we're going to be three day. You know the the the the the batman animated just like it's three mation. That's what the future is a three day. And i'm just like i i don't know any of us want it So for me. It's it's because it's closer to their still bumps a little bit. But i'd like it more than like the the warner brothers things that they were doing for a while with that three style. I think this works a lot better. Because he'll hearkens back to the ol- animation with the cel shading so I don't mind it. It took a second to get used to I really got more intimate with the action flow. Thought the action was so good that it flowed so well. I characters were standing still talking. It was like okay this. This feels a little weird but once they started moving. And maybe that's a little bit of the video gaming right of livelier. Once they're in motion it begins to really make sense but like once you see them standing there in the shadows and the lights are folic. It's not bad. I think it's still just for me again bit of a cognitive dissonance. From like what. I know of video games versus like trying to adapt that being like. This is not one thirty minute. Cut scene You can put down the controller. This this is a show with the moment. You put it down where you have to do like a character react if the press actors no i missed it their garrett your dies news like damn it. Yeah the peg. Carter's a master of the quick time reaction you talked about the skinny steve step so this is a bit of like i would say almost like a sub question of what if obviously the main question is. What if peggy carter. I mean the main question is what it. Peggy carter happened to stay in the room. When the super soldier serum was injected so that when erskine r.i.p the to only two lines in this killed you know and steve ends up getting shot. She's the one to step in and so again. It's really this idea of like one. Small decision change congest affect everything but the other side of that is the steve side of things where he's not exactly sidelined he gets put in basically what is a proto iron man armor from howard stark absolutely and so this is part now where i think the confines will love what a lot of people are just like but what did change and unfortunately this is one of the ensue like why i love the multi-diverse because a lot of i want more. I want to see more of this universe like what happens when peggy returns. What else has changed because of that. Because i think a lot could have changed. In the comics they would do time jumps they would do shifting the single-issue so you can see a lot more of the of the timeline itself and just one segment. We got here. And i really again. This is just like so. What more of this. Because so many things are different ultimately because howard invented an ironman outfit way way before history dictated that has that changed things american now has iron man technologie built by howard our start when he was working for the military. Tony show up like is something. That's now passed down. How long steve. In that armored. There's a lot of things that they would altered reality from that one change and then you have also khufu monster showing up roll. Yeah yeah there's there's a lot that i think is different. How captain carter being the symbol for the world war two shift how written in america are viewed on a global scale in the modern day. Now do i think that part of it is going to get into. They ever continued. There's probably not too much. But the potential is there about massive massive shifts in change like the one thing has changed a lot even if the beats we saw laid out. We're somewhat similar. I think globally that world is going to be a lot different than the one we know yet. So one big change that. I really liked that we saw. Was we skip. You know peggy. Carter is not the star spangled man She's not being sent out on those. Us even though it seems like howard stark still does the thing where he repurposes the costume. And he creates the shield right. It seems like general jackass is not sending peggy carter out to even do the promo tour. Because she's a girl and girl shouldn't be on the front line. Which i think is a very fun if small commentary again about how just the change in the gender of captain america can really affect their perception now. Granted they don't really on it. Too much because peggy still able to like defy him go in and get the tesseract etc. Get a goal over bradley whitford big old dumb face but at the same time. I think there's a really fun moment. I'm glad you brought up skinny steve. What turns out to be. You know one the last conversations they have together Which is you know them sitting in the cafe or whatever where basically peggy says that she's no longer screaming to be heard or seen and steve obviously relates to that as someone who is looking to be respected. And i think what makes it. Different than the first avenger in this case was steve dot fat. And peggy. carter still didn't really get that up to that point right like she had not been imbued superpower. She was still this woman. Working in this sexist group again. Check out the agent. Carter one shot or the entire agent carter series. If you want to see what she underwent here. She gets that satisfaction and in a way soda. Steve as well in that. Steve is not necessarily now back on his luck. Skinny kid from brooklyn. Who can't catch a break. He still has an opportunity to participate. Which i do find interesting in that regard that it's not exactly like he's just sent back to the ranks. There's something that he's still has a part of and they're still a way for him to feel a bit respected as well. Maybe i could have done without howard. Stark leaning in like porky pig style. As the iris literally closes in on them howard. Stark stuff was interesting. Was an interesting depiction of howard stark. In my opinion i was mostly fine with it. I think there is a lot of like goofiness. But i was again. I'm okay with it because it's okay to have a little more fun. I think with these because they can be a little fun. A little more silly also. Let's not forget. This was mimicking. The first avenger with had a lot of that paul penis to this is the style of pulp. And that is what that is and how it's done so much like his girl. Friday right there like the rat tat worrying style especially from stark right up like. Don't step on my toes here lady. I do the science. Yeah like right that. that's exactly. What the tone they're going for is yeah and i think they match and i think that's on purpose on speaking of the that. That scene skinny steve stuff. I'm gonna say what i think was the biggest mistake in the sam so and i think it may be also given people a little bit more of what they hope. You're oh i think. I know i think i know what it is but i'm going to like put it in my head. I'll be truthful about it. But i'm i'll i'll see if i can play newlywed game here with kevin right now In my opinion steve's should not have been found after he fell off that train. steve should've been imagine. Imagine the future of this world where steve. Ball's off that train. Everyone thinks he's dead at a resume. You have captain carter and a winter soldier and that mass comes off at steve goddamn rotten. So the hell steve. It would be awesome and it would be such an impact to show how reality can diverge how things can change. How like everything could be a little bit different but similar and i think that would have been really powerful and really interesting. If steve rogers became the bucky in this universe the bucky. To captain carter right. I think that would have been really fascinating. It really would have made me like hiked future futures. Well we're just like i need more now. I need that version of civil war right like a at or winters civil war. That would be so interesting and fascinating so i think that was the biggest mistake that this episode did. Is that keeping steve alive and how they can be there at the end and having them be that extra conversation i think was a missed opportunity. Huge missed opportunity at could've really like propelled. This i think to a different level. All right well. We are one for one in that regard. So i'm happy bob. Eubanks is giving us the car. It has a win we agree. I mean i definitely thought it was going there when you got to the right the train especially when we get the scare and this word with almost my arm up. But i'm not falling off this cliff. Not no way. No how q train exploding like okay. Steve is going to be the bucky. And you'd be interesting. Because i think while there might be consternation while you're just doing the same thing again i think seen steve rogers as the winter soldier is different than seeing bucky barnes as the winter soldier. Stephen bucky are incredibly different characters. And it would be interesting to see especially as much as people would want it to be. Stephen bucky are not romantically entangled. And so there was definitely a different way that i think those two regard each other in captain america the winter soldier moving forward as opposed to peggy carter jumps fifty plus years into the future and says hey been in a portal this entire time. Everyone you know was dead and by the way your lover is now become like. Ns an hydra assassin. Roy moore is so much there so yeah. I do partially wish that they could have done that. I know that there might have been some some reprises or echoes that they wanted to put in there. Like for instance that. I was a really fun moment. Where they find. Steve steve's able to start off the hydra stump stamper armor assault over and bucky says We don't got all day. Which take if i can do this all day. And then of course right. We're going to get the reverse of cap in the plane. And the first avenger here with peggy disappearing into the portal essentially sacrificing. Our all. i promise you dance okay. How about saturday night right. They wanted to do that. Reverse of that to really hammer the point home but yeah it would be very fun and who knows maybe it still might be. They did not say that was dead right. They just said the war is over. Yup so maybe there's still a chance that that it could happen. Speaking of what peggy's fighting about because this is also a can of worms bit of a can of tentacles to open up kevin. I don't know if you know this. But there is some fear rising as to who was the quote unquote what like mascot of hydra that the red skull was trying to bring about here and how it actually might have ties into doctor. Strange is the dorma mahmoud. Like is that what they're going with. Wait is it. Oh god would shuba people are saying because she masuma gaurav. Kevin fill in the details but is very tackler and has one central. I and that's really always saw this canoe. Like creature and so a lot of people are theorizing again especially with doctor. Strange movie down the horizon especially with this idea of traveling between multiple planes that shula gore wrath this might be their mc you introduction albeit in variant form. That's kinda hilarious. I don't know a ton about huma. Gorod i will say like i knew of the character designed for a long time But i wasn't like the hardcore doctor strange comic year back in the day i wasn't until He showed up in marvel versus capcom. That i was just like shoot agora. And then i was just like that's wild. So that's why when you said this. I was like flying through my head or it's like tentacles. Tentacles schumer gora. Obviously that's very marvel versus capcom. I hope hope everyone else out there. In addition to me is now just has brennan. Thunderhead couldn't take four arrive every time. Marvel versus capcom. Because that's so. Yeah i mean again might be a bit of a stretch. I think jury still out you guys talked about this last week. As to how canonical any of this stuff is going to be. But yet it could be possible. They just like back door introduced a doctor strange villain and that might be able to at least make an appearance in multiversity madness. Yeah i mean that would be cool right. Those are the little things that i think can be interesting to at least hint at end like tease out. What can becoming Because we don't know a lot about like where that puerto lead in like what happened to her. That time period did she. Was she fighting a nonstop battle for like seventy years student age but like bush was or was it. Just like a blinken blink. Out like there's a lot of yashin's there about like how it ultimately works And like yeah again. I would be glad if there's connections here but also totally buying these one off stories because like that's the fascinating part again the storytelling potential for for a lot of this. I mean everybody was like everybody. But a lot of people. Want the like wanda vision to low key and stuff like that. And and the the falcon winter soldier. As far as i'm concerned. I just got done in one story. That belts complete. That i had very little complaints about whereas i had eight tonight episodes of a lotta those shows were just like okay. I guess that's the thing that happened so like for me. This is like a kind of cool fun. Pallet cleanser feels comic book. it feels like just ending these stories. I do want more. That's my one complaint at least from this reality. i think there's such a you know a world of possibility. Ha ha That you could get into something like this especially with the response of Peggy as captain carter. Although again i don't know why. The callers captain britain but That's fine literally. there is a character. Did captain britain the ca. Captain britain has different a different origin. Story right isn't he always gets in like a car accident or something and he's like magically brought back to life set up any lineage via brian braddock in his sister betsy who sidewalk so this all the stuff that that that is different than the comics. But like you they're not here in the mc you so like peggy taking up the name. Captain britain could word also. It's very odd in my opinion Again i i'm not britney so i don't know but from what i have seen about the british people it seems weird to individualized yourself in such a way. In britain. i feel like britain would just be like. oh yes. no. I've captain britain. Please don't look at me like you. Like i feel like it's not a very british linked to do to the name yourself. Captain carter versus. Yes i'm here to represent the crowd interesting. They're not so much about like notoriety right. It's gotta be my name emblazoned on the say the shield with the union jack. It didn't i didn't surprisingly did not take me long to get used to it. Maybe it's because of the red white and blue is sort of inherent in both countries cox can help make your home smarter and your life easier now. You can use your contour voice remote to connect your home life cameras so you can view them right on your tv screen using simple voice commands. That makes it easy to keep tabs on. What's happening around your home right from your couch. Needed to keep an eye on the kids when they're playing outside. Just say. show me my backyard camera into your cox voice remote and watch them while you're in the house and if you're waiting for a delivery and wanna make sure it's there on time no problem. Just say show me driveway. Camera to check on it with your home life. Hd cameras on the tv screen. 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People didn't know what if is renewed at least for one more season. So welcome back more than whatever whenever that's coming. Twenty twenty two weber and the executive producer said that every season of what. If so long that's being produced will have a captain carter episode in. That's awesome see. I love that. I love that. I love the idea that we're going to get a continuation. Although now it makes me feel like you really should have done this team thing then a better know again. It might be possible. It makes me happy. Because again. I think the the what if within the what if that deliciousness lies in what happened in that last seen lies in the time. Jump or captain. Carter comes about and is a. I would say a little more in that. Second act more acclimated to her. Two thousand eleven and steve rogers was right. We don't get her moment of her running into times square. And the big sur tiller shot of her taking everything ed so she's okay at the moment but you brought up a really great point before that as much as you might think this paint by numbers in terms of the plot the circumstances and the questions it opens as to what the world looks like now are voluminous and i think that's why i'm so happy. We get more adventures of it. Because let's let's ask them some other questions here like you said you know howard stark. Just invented mocked one ironman ormer in the forties. So does he bring that back. And you know patent it and suddenly now we're going to have a bunch of people flying around in this armor not to mention with howard stark. Our circus seemingly going to die. But does he die the way he does because with no bucky being taken and assumingly. No steve rogers. Is there no winter soldier program whereas there no protocol to eliminate people like howard mariah stark. What does that mean for tony. Stark than does he become. Ironman does he. Further slip into playboy asked buffoonery and just not become a hero whatsoever. But most importantly kevin is there still a sharing carter in this modern day and if so if not the sheriff carter still become the powerbroker and in this universe is mike bloom. God eat snake. Sharon carter is not a power pricier type thing. Mike bloom to not eat us thinking that university. Let's go there would be no yes so that's clearly the better universe ultimately i guess i guess we now know are answer which one was was better. It's this one might snake exactly though. I probably make some other like asinine. Bet at that. Point blum in every universe. I'm not deviating too much from who i am because yeah the sharon carter thing right is like she was peggy carter's nathan. I'm assuming she would still be born. But it's not like she would follow in her footsteps and become agent because her shirt has disappeared into the tesseract for fifty plus years. I don't know thinks he's exactly starting a career shield. Based i don't think sharon carter can't be born. That would not be possible because he's not they're like well. I guess yes oh right. I forgot in this universe. It's not her direct descendant was for awhile. Okay never mind cause the comics. I was like that doesn't happening. Were pecking no longer exists. So i guess that's true although if we're going with the jokes people have made now with with steve going back in time. Who knows. what's what this universe's origin per share it. Carter actually imagine if we just all the future. Captain carter episodes are just every single cap thing from the mc you play out exactly the same. But just with captain carter instead like captain carter civil war captain carter. She has a huge beard. She's hanging out in conduct defending herself against banos. I'd see all four. That's fine yeah. I again like this is the cool thing and i'm happy that they're going to be exploring it because i think there is so much potential for it and i think in a similar way. It's weird because people who will just like. Oh yeah things kind of played out similarly. And i was just like well not fully and i think not having a little bit more rooms like show. The futures probably where. We didn't get what maybe people were looking for in terms of that. But we know that we're going to get a lot of that. We know that we're going to get wonky and while some universities are going to be super different. It's going to be on the similar. And i was okay with this. One is introduction. Because i think the potential again to storytelling potential. So vasan wild even in this this one where things didn't look so much different from talking about it. There's clearly a lot that can be. What did you think of new steve. Obviously we know that we don't have any ardy jay. We don't get any chris evans in what if One of the few i think. Nc stars that is not repressing their role in animated form to that. Stick out to your where you find with new steve. I was fine with. Ucf get him. I'm used to a world. Where at one point. Wolverine had like an australian accent which brought it. But you know. I'm okay with like the changing voices of characters Especially in the moral universe especially in the dc comic book universe. So having someone that did you know. Did almost sound like chris evans. But obviously wasn't wasn't that big deal to me. It's the same thing in In endgame right like that wasn't hugo weaving so announced by although we won't we won't be seeing red skull again that's for sure. Yeah and actually the guy who voiced him in and game and infinity war came back for this and there's some consistent. There's a bit of like edward. Norton mark ruffalo thing going on right where we have the old skull new red skull but yeah. Here's another thing as well. I don't know if This red skull ends up on four mir trying to trade his life for inventing stone because he done got snatched up by that by switzer squirting essentially got matched up. He got crushed exactly. So it's interesting. Because obviously you know the first avenger. The implications were that the red skull died there too but in a very different way. I didn't have a problem with them as well. Josh keaton i believe his his name is who voiced. I think it's also because again. This version of steve is not like big and hulking necessarily so he. Doesn't you don't really need that sort of like chris evans machismo He was able to play a bit. Ge we beer. I would say i think they miss an opportunity to bring in a jay barrows shell to voice steve just because this skinny steve reminds me a lot of pickup from how to train your dragon. This is actually a me. Might think where they were with. Steve rogers like surprisingly accurate yes. I saw that before as well. That was the parallels are here. i'm in for it. We'll make you parallels. I mean going back to the red skull thing. I do think that there were some moments that like. You said i can understand why to maps of moore things but they were a little. Samey like for instance. I don't know if we need basically the exact same scene of red skull saying. Oh yes. I'm you know striking out from the third reich. I'm doing my own thing. Like i don't think it was the exact same dialogue. But i'm pretty sure sands the the schumacher out stuff. Everything that red skull did in this was pretty much beat for beat what he does. And captain america the first avenger which you know. I guess if you're doing an improv scene right you need like the straight man and the crazy man. So you can sort of gays the behaviors against captain carter was the crazy man here and and red skull was the straight man. But i gotta admit i wasn't a huge fan of seeing those beats happen once more a movie that we've seen ten years ago i guess but like red skull's rather single-minded he's meticulous. Personally i don't see his plans changing that much. The biggest change was of course at the end where summoned a extra dimensional demon Which is a bit of a change So like there was that difference. But i mean yeah the the red skull has a plant has a plant as a plan and most of the stuff that would affect him wasn't affected by the change of captain. Carter so i don't know i mean that shrek. I don't know what reason for a huge difference would be like. Thanos was always going to be the only reason he changes because he saw his future. Right like that's how most of us work if there's nothing that's that's changing him around him. And why would he change to react to it. That would make sense is like yeah. The the nazis anhydrous still fighting the same thing. People like they're not. They're not doing anything different. They're still fighting. You know the britain and america so them yes what everybody else is the same. So that's sort of their whole issue. So like yeah. It doesn't make that much of a difference to me that he acted the same way because logically story wise. He would speaking of seeing the future. I wanna talk about our book ends here. Essentially the rod serling of what. If let's talk for a second about who watch it. We talked about him in the very beginning. But i guess it's fitting that we talk about him near the end here. It's been brief. Glimpse but kevin. Lots of hype about the incredible. Jeffrey wright coming into voices as well as some mystique around what role is going to play in comparison to his role in the comics. I know it was in short supply. But what what's your sense of this version of a wad too. I mean we don't get a lot them right like you said i want. I think jeffrey wright as his voice is so epic That i think the narration from him was fantastic. And i was really into that. We only really get to as just like almost static imagery right you see the stars within his space which is also something that happens in the comic quite a bit So it really was matching a mimicking. That style. I don't think we're gonna get a lot from him in terms of any bigger connective tissue Throughout the series like that much they weren't gonna tip hand in in. The i love you know the prediction of he's talking to stephen stranger. Kanga conqueror I don't think that that's going to happen in your first episode. So if that does happen. That's not going to happen. And this is not gonna be like how. I met your mother stephen. Strange king the cocker sitting on the couch and watches like all right. This is the story of the news. Imagine i would love it. I'd love it if that was what was happening. What if captain carter got a blue french horn and gave it to skinny steve except for ten years to do it. And none of the ninety cents exact. Listen if we get ten seasons of what. If and it's going to end with captain carter and skinny steve getting back together at the ad like the comparisons just note that we made this comparison here all that time ago. Interesting to view him. I really honest is opening. Monologue was a little star trek of aug. space time reality A prism of endless possibilities the images and again. This is another reason why animation as a medium is in my opinion credibly underrated. It's just because the beauty of what you can do. I love the shattered prism You know the images for the glass seems to indicate what we're getting moving forward but yes essentially he pops in and out to essentially say. Hey this is what we're doing. We're doing multi-diverse stuff. And then at the end he basically says hey. Wasn't that fun by the way. I can't interfere with do anything by next week. So that's essentially what the wasser does. That's exactly that says entire exist. Yeah so he. He establishes this character pretty much. But i think to your point. I think if we are counting on him to have maybe a larger canonical roll into things. I don't know if were exactly going to be there. At least it was hinted at in the first episode. Maybe well to come but again. I made the comparison before i think we should more so look on him as just the narrator right this character and the role that he plays in the mc. You is sort of a storyteller. It's what he does. And so i think we're just gonna watch him. Watch the watcher. Sit back and have him tells the story of watcher. The audience exactly let me before we get the voyeur that be the who watches the watchers. Voyeur no yeah exactly. Then we're gonna bring season two. What's gonna be dual narrators. Watcher employer just sort of spatting with each other before we get into some feedback from the listeners. I wanna ask one question. kevin. I'm gonna attempt to make this run around all see this batons josh wink. When he comes back in a couple of weeks see how he responds but look again. We talk about canonical implications. We are getting into doctor. Strange in the multi-diverse badness the multi-diverse has been outright explicitly stated as existing. The onus of the series. So i figured i'd try this every week. Kevin let me ask you for the first episode. Will we get captain. Carter in doctor strange in the multi verse of madness I wanna say no. I think for most of these. What might end up being is that will get a flasher clip. And maybe they'll still see g a little bit better Hayley atwell in the captain carter outfit. Now i wanted to go into the spider verse and just have one fully two d animated universe. That's weird cartoon into that though. It's like for me. I've just like yes please. Let's do that. But i don't think will actually get it in that manner. I honestly don't think we'll probably get any of them in that way. It would be cool. But also i'm just trying to downplay my own excitement. About what the multi verse of madness could be. Because i saw what loki ended up as that. I'm just telling you hope too much for one thing you hope for quantum leap and you don't get it. You're kind of like all right. Don't shoot yourself in the foot here. So yeah that's that's sort of where i am on it. I don't think they're gonna be oil. Would i love these proven wrong. But i also think it. Yeah i think the flash of it would be fine because captain carter. They're going to continue it. I think it's it's own thing right. They're gonna have their own way of telling the story in this show so i don't think we're going to see it in that way Now whether or not we'll see marvel zombies show up in the multi verse of mendez. I think that's a slightly higher possibility because that could be really interesting. Funny yeah. I mean i would love it as well. I think haley. I wouldn't say she was done dirty. But i think it is sucky. In retrospect that she gets this big spin show run for a couple of seasons before getting cans and now it has officially not been canonized right. We talked about this with the colson. Stuff but i believe they released sort of you know. Remember peggy carter like they did with all the characters before what if and none of the clip showed anything from her show so this is essentially the mc you being like moral tv non necessarily doing that even if it includes characters that were introduced in the new and so i do feel bad that you know she got all dressed up and had nowhere to go and so i would love to get an opportunity for her to be able to like don that suit live action but if the character has to live on. I'm glad she lives on in this way. It would be pretty amazing though. If like you know. Stephen strange is getting his ass handed to them. Incomes a shield to bash whoever is kicking his butt and then incomes. Peggy carter to like you know. Grab it back. I think would be an incredible image but like you said. I wanna keep my expectations and nice and low. Yeah buddy i'm with you. A hundred percent like comic boasts of made those dreams. Come true when i was like you know vehicle right now. Turn to page did happen. But i don't think that's going to occur so much In in in this type of stuff. I don't i don't think you has gotten to the point of being that. Cavalier with stuff you know. I think they're little restraint. Still although to your point though. The actual played jarvis in asian. Carter did show up in an game so i mean yes. We're there there are some things right. There's a whole lot gremaldi in wanda vision. That was a big part of agents of shield but wasn't really my friend so like we're still on this weird territory as to what is risen of the multi verse. Maybe agents of shield is now meant to be like one big seven eight season. What if aged colson actually resurrected and this is the universe where he's dead Jury is still out on that. Let's get to some your feedback. So of course we love to hear from you. All you can write in every week super at post show recap dot com or if you're a patriot. Ten dollar level you got access to that sweet sweet discord where you can ensconced yourself. Shroud yourself in the beautiful community much like steve. Rogers does but the proto iron man armor. Here's a few comments from you all. About what if episode one starting with of course the great torbey. Toby says say that it's mind blowing or anything but this is a fun way to kick off the series start with the base level story. That's well known. Give a basic twist and go to town my opinion based around the notion that things pick up and get crazier in future weeks. The animation for the action is awesome. The animation for dialogue is in that grade but passable. in my opinion most of the voice acting was fine. Nothing parentheses besides sebastian. Stan took me out of the episode all in all but this likely being the most grounded episode. It has made me very excited for where we go. Jerry are you. Are you picking up the stake or snake. That tori's putting down there kevin. Do you think this is gonna be. We look back in eight weeks the most ground episode of what if this season up possibly. It's hard to tell like what the plans are present them. But i think this could possibly be the most grounded one the most straightforward one. And they get away kicking off a series. I think that's really smart And i yeah. I think i agree with everything. He said. here I it wasn't mind-blowing but it was awesome. It was the thing that i wanted it to be. I think twilight zone is a great example for this honestly. Because it's like the dollars right like we're gonna hit for some people's will maybe won't hit as much for other people But i think there's going to be stuff that you know shows potential and shows the like craziness we can get and then like greek nine. We're going to get people who are like this is so crazy. Why would it be this insane. Why would they change this much as like big delay people. Exactly the grass is always greener on the other side so some people though might have felt that the steve rogers story was not the best place to start. The series cutesy asks as for alternatives to kick off with. It would be kind of cool to have an alternate thor and loki story since we saw low-key most recently. What do you think about that. If there isn't a thorin loki later on. What do you think about putting that in the beginning to sort of mirror. Those thing we just finished with with loki. that too much lucky overkill. That low kill te'o so it's lucky hill. It's just like it's too much. I mean at that. It's just way too much. I've seen i've seen too goddamn story arcs. Loki three if you really want to look at the series itself. I don't need a fourth. Loki story arc. This one character at this point that to me. That's like oversaturation of loki So like i would. I would have been really of just like jesus. Christ another goddamn loki focus if they had kicked off. What if that way it makes sense to me the do see and captain america. Because he is the first avenger while his movie than came out. I it was a lot of impetus for a lot of stuff. We end up within the marvel universe and not to mention if people out there my wife and were like i'm gonna watch through the mc you in chronological order from a time line perspective caps. The only always the one that comes out. I even maybe eternal some scenes from eternal might supersede that But yeah i mean. It's i in many different regards from that point. It's an incredibly important movie for the mc. So i think it makes sense. Also we talked about. This woman covered falcon the winter soldier right. The looming missing shadow of steve rogers. You know he hasn't shown up since and game. And this is the first time i think we got to see the character going back to his origin story and view into different light. I think makes a lot of sense. It's been quite a number of years without steve rogers. Even though his name has been invoked he has narrowly been seen. So i think it made sense for many reasons that we stated before including that that to start with it. Let's hear from someone who maybe did not have as high thoughts about this episode as we did someone who took the ground floor while we went to the balcony this of course is from the great riley rally says i love seeing captain carter peg getting her do and the animation action were incredible however i felt some of the voice acting was really stiff and a lot of humor with super forced for me i also felt the plot with super basic and not very what iffy it was way. More the first avenger again. But this time. Peggy and steve swapped places parentheses. But steve gets a proto iron man suit. It was the same beats and the same general plot with a couple small differences. Just with peggy steve's role parentheses something. I enjoyed it. Didn't feel like it went as wild as it could have. Things could have diverged way more the point but instead things stayed mostly the same just with character roles swapped around. I want to see something. We're one choice. Made something wildly different happen. This feels relatively safe thoughts on that coming. I mean again. Like i think we talked a little bit about like how the beats lined up and again i disagree a little bit that not much change because again i think there's massive consequences repercussions that could come out from this change that they haven't delved into. I mean again. Steve pro ironman outfit in the nineteen forties is a huge. Change guys So i think that's stuff that you know. We talked a little bit about. I think the idea of like wanting the wild stuff i can. I can understand that. And i think we're gonna get it again. We're going to get marvel zombies. You know what's happening but like kicking it off like riley's akaba fan me and i think that might be the hookup Right like that's the thing that riley and i like a lot of other people especially if your comments are used to just stuff like this. That could feel standard now. It's like when we talk about certain beats and movies. Were just like. It's so predictable. We knew it was coming. Is we've been inundated with this stuff. We know what's coming we're like we're like 'less cajun next. We can see how one of us navigate. Yeah we're all nicholas cage but that's my point. Is that when you live in the world. Something that feels almost that is different but isn't different enough can feel standard to us. But i don't necessarily think it's going to be the case for everyone. I do think it is a safer coming out the gate wit by i think going to wildwood maybe turned off the broad audience. And they don't want to lose that. I think they're already at a loss because there's a lot of people who don't watch it because it's animation and again. Don't get me start with those people but like you don't want to lose the entire audience by doing marvel zombies out the gate. Yeah i would. I would also say i think now given the hindsight that this is going to be a multi episode exploration going back to the comics analog. This very much felt like the first issue. Yes you know of okay. Now the to be continued is oh she wakes up in the future and now they're going to have multiple issues forward to explore it granted. I don't think that's the way they should be producing these episodes with like an implication. Because again like you've said the thing i love about this is that it's not meant to be serialized. It's supposed to be analogy. It's supposed to be one offs. I'm grateful that we're getting at the opportunity to explore. Whatever freaky peaky world exists now in two thousand eleven with no snake eating mike bloom and you know ironman floating around just to get people the grocery store to buy milk but i think that what they had to accomplish especially with a thirty minute. Run time they wanted to set something up in a micro and macro way From both peggy carter perspective and also from the show's perspective. So go back to what i said before. I think it was a stable funds. Start i can understand riley's points. I do think it comes down to expectations but to to you know what you said before. I think we're going to ramp things up pretty soon. I think we're going to zero to sixty in an a pretty considerable amount of time. Let's hear a from a very tried and true and a one time guest here on. Everything is super. The great professors shrunk writes in ended up. Professor shrunk actually is going to disagree with you a bit here. Kevin on the peggy and skinny steve stuff theory. You professor fresher shrunk says. I don't know if this is a controversial take. But am i the only one who thinks peggy carter would not have been romantically interested in non-super soldier. Steve i'm curious for mike and kevin's takes on this. If they want to address it. I would have enjoyed a story where the to develop a platonic friendship for two reasons. First kevin is set. There is a lack of male female. Platonic friendship storylines and tv and movies and second a platonic friendship would have underscored. The show's theme that one small. Change like peggy. Carter staying on the ground floor rather than going up to the balcony can have these massive repercussions i e peggy carter had stayed on the ground floor. We all would have been safe from st making out with his niece. And yes that is another branch. That i'm very happy. Sawed off this particular tree but kevin what what's what's your response to the great professors thinking about the possibly going down the path of. They're not they're not you know they don't have dan states but they were keen to hang out before everything happened. I think i think it doesn't work for me for a few reasons one. I disagreed that peggy. Would it be interesting to see peggy. We got it in the opening of the first adventure. She admired him greatly is into him. So i play where again. I'll go back to that. That marvel one short one shot. Because i just watched it. She admires a picture of steve in her office. Space place after the first avenger on one. It's a picture of getting steve. It's not him in the cap armor. That is correct. So i think i think that notion of peggy knob. Being into him is he was getting. Steve is false in that part. I also beyond that. Though i don't i agree again. I've talked a lot about it but this isn't the place where it especially because of the physical part of it right like if you have petty peggy carter not being into him because he's skinny steve or just being platonic friendship. I think the implications there are sort of a bit rough is like if you had like an overweight character in his just like well they can only be friends. And you're just like that's that's weird that that that's how it ended up here so i think that's that's the problem with it in this context because of the greater scale of it again i love the fact that they're superintendent other even though she's jacked pecking his no matter. What reality is just like their into each other because they are into each other for who they are underneath which to me underscores the point of like. That's the whole thing. I actually saw this awesome mean. I'd seen the first half of it before. But i saw the second half of it and it was the scene from avengers the first offenders movie Where they're having that argument and steve tells tony. You know you're not the one to make the sacrifice Made and they. They showed the parallel of tony. Doing this right and then the second half is right. Tony telling steve like everything used special about using a bottle correct was made in the lab and it seep holding me owner and it's just like yeah he's not picking up because he's jack guys and i think that's the same thing here. Is that steve. Who he is is all on the inside. And so like peggy and everyone else would still like him because of who that person is not because of like he can pick up the older right now. Skinny steve is the idea right. And so. I think that's why it works for me. Here there are instances rides. You think yes platonic friendships between men and women absolutely should explore more of them but in this context as being present. I don't think it would work because there's too much other implicates it's that i don't like the implication that okay. Peggy cars kind of shallow. Likely steve's great but like is he thick though no boy by stayaway. I've got other guys to go. I've come here bucky. That'd be the darkest time yeah you. You could have instances again. If steve had you know had died on the train or something you have stuff with her and howard where i never got romantic you know and they they were like friends more than anything else even though they attempted with it. I think there's things you could play with their Quite possibly when it comes to that sort of stuff. But in terms of the peggy. And steve situation. I think has to work this way because of how it plays out now. If you want to end up in a situation where like you know. I i kinda have the idea of wanted to what Being taken into space like if you have a situation there with a gaborone To follow friends like that could be a little bit better. You know so. I think i think are the things that you can twist but in this particular context that becomes rough. Let's finish things on a high note quite literally in terms of altitude. I just wanted to come back to what bowl the librarian and austin smith say. Their opinion was the highlight of the episode. Which was the montale is specifically the ariel battle. Austin says the ariel battle was definitely the highlight. I think in large part because it was the scene. That was most removed from a specific. Analog in first avenger. The jazz scored montage was through line. But the aerial combat felt so unique and was wonderfully choreographed. And yeah i mean. I'll make kevin. I am an incredible sucker for the trope of the musical is montage where you time out. Certain actions to beats in music and we got that a little bit in this montage. It almost felt like a tracking shot as well right as she was rolling her way his planes but yeah just said at the beginning. This was by far my favorite part of an episode. That i really enjoyed not only was it. The biggest departure. I think from what people are expecting terms of convention analogy from this story. It was just a bad ass. Display from peggy carter. The music was so much fun. And of course very evocative of that era so it really was just like the perfect stew for me. Combined with peggy carter kicking some nazis asses the on top. Yeah i mean yeah that's sequences awesome and there was a tracking which is something. I really liked about it as well but yeah the action was top notch. I think that like we said like that's what really hold the animation together for me. It would have been interesting if we ended up in a situation. Actually were each episode of different animation styles of bit like whatever the mathematically it is is this could have felt pop comic book like the way it was drawn than if you get into like other stuff. It has a different animation. Look to it. I think that would have been cool. You have you heard of. Netflix is love sex and robots. Yes i've seen it then is awesome awesome. Whatever that that's the south take on every episode is done with different animation style correct. Yeah so i think. I think that the theme yes so i think there's there's a way they could. Maybe they'll change that for season two. Who knows we have so much open possibilities ahead of us in more ways than one. We're going to keep continuing on that train. That hopefully won't explode anytime soon. Next week episode. Two of what if there was no next time on and again this is a non serialized show so we really have no specific idea. What the hell is coming our way but we do know who the hell is coming our way. Next week kevin. We are gaining a third. Let's ask a question here. What if latonya starks were to hop onto this podcast next week. And join kevin. Tonight's recap episode to wall. Answer will be coming next week. We're getting the falcons in the winter soldier gang back together to talk about episode to really excited to hear latonya thoughts about all of this and whatever episode has to provide. It should be a lot of fun. Yeah really looking forward to being here. And i'm curious. Obviously what the episode is riley. Because i think the only things that i know is that i saw the zombies thing and heard about it so i was just like okay so that's happening and then i saw one shot hands knowing the challah part of it but beyond that i got nothing so and that's the way i like it so i'm excited to see like what What if some what changes they do. And he can't like as a continuing series it just has so potential in them so into that idea of Getting more of these stories as we go further and further on and like other takes other changes. You can revisit stuff tuna certain extent. Revisit movies do something different. Even though they had the captain carter thing what if it was a different. next point. in the first avenger. That could have changed stuff you know like. I think there's a lot that could happen. That could alter stuff like what if seve did not go down with the plane. Like what steve survived. And captain america only lived in the forties. How does that affect things. I think there's a lot of potential and stuff to play around with. In fact i actually do think that is a actual. What if comic would not surprise. Yeah at some point in time that there's a lot riding. There's what if captain had. What if i lived through what if cap was revived in. One thousand nine hundred four what if have revived at like the two thousands instead. So there's there's also the Bullet points miniseries. Which i think the whole like pro ironman armor really pulled from where i believe in that universe i think erskine and a bunch of people including i believe uncle ben get killed and so instead howard sarcastic go to plan b. which is like putting Pudding steve rogers in an i remained suit. And then everything. Just spirals where peter parker now doesn't have a father figure and so he liked turns into the hulk Becomes spiderman so. It's just this isn't a while stuff. I know riley would be excited for right. 'cause that's rama's used to like for us. It's just like yeah. Give us that like there was one where it was just like a think. It's called speeding. Bullets like superman was adopted by the way like. What does that end up. Wow that would have been a you know. It's even wilder not saving with gyco in geico one more time here before we close things out. Do you want to rent your home. Sure you do. And i bet it can be hard work you know. It's easy bundling policies with gyco. Geico makes it easy to bundle your homeowner's or renter's insurance along with your auto policy. It's a good thing too because you already have so much to do around your home. Go to geico dot com. Get a quote and see how much you could save. Sky go easy visit. Geico dot com. Today that's geiko dot com kevin mateo. What else do you have a. What if you did other podcasts. The post show recaps universe. What would they be. What if i did will i do so here. 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Lindor, Make It Happen?

Jay Bird Watching

1:13:48 hr | 11 months ago

Lindor, Make It Happen?

"And good james fans brand panic car here with the usual crew suspects adam. Corsair craig borden. Gentlemen how we do the deal. Wonderful as always man come on what. How can we not be happy. Raina real real rumors actually have not rumors. There's some substance to it. Feel like there's some substance to it really does. That's a perfect way to put it. Craig and you know it's perfect you know. We're starting to get slowly into the christmas spirit. I know thanksgiving's coming up for the to americans on the show here tonight You know what even though ontario's looking bad Some places around america are still looking bad with thrown virus and places might be heading for second lockdowns. Potentially there's a lot of good and excitement. Stranding logistics guys are really is. Let's table some of these rumors in packages and all the exciting for a little bit later on in the show because we do have a move already to discuss Adam all leadoff with you. You tweet din. Tweety texas the world craig. I on saturday The blue jays resigned robbie ray to a one year deal eight million bucks a i thought. Sounds like a steal but Let's get your thoughts. Adam on your. What were your initial thoughts. When he saw the brought back robbery nothing. That i'm hyped out but i think the thing. That was more hyped about the fact that the blue jays made a move before anybody else kicked off the hot stove so sure and i think it's a good insurance policy. I think it's good to have that continuity and obviously robbie ray must have i would assume liked something from p walker i would imagine the during this process and like the the the potential for this team to reach the postseason again. Like the longevity. I just think that if we're looking for someone that's going to be a game changer. I don't necessarily think robbie rate is. But i do think there's potential there the issue that i have with it is that there seems to be some sort of disconnect with what ross atkins said at the end of the year being that. We're trying to get better defensively. We're trying to prioritize arms that can throw strikes robbery definitely is not that yet but if he can turn into that and maybe pete walker see something that can untapped potential shore but otherwise eight million dollars. Whatever do whatever correct yeah. There's a lot worse ways to go spend money just saying the leases has some upside. Don't forget that. Robbie ray actually was like a quote unquote cy. Young guy in the conversation. What three two years ago. And it's only two that's not hands off. We always act quickly just saying the fact that you can get somebody like in that throws the ball hard. What's the worst case scenario ends up in the bullpen. There's really worse ways that that could have landed and funding off. The people are listening on the show or tweeting out in pete walker. We trust my point out the irony that the last article i wrote for south six was why is he still here. Thing is That i wrote that article in the The light of the fact that he was the last man standing last the regime change and it was kind of like usually everybody runs away and runs their own guys in. But the fact that part. Pete walker stuck around and has been such a key contributor to the pitching staff. Yes we saw some things go awry at the end of the you know the shortened season. But i don't really think that's i think due to his credit I think that's too much tinkering with everything. That's my concept. Bought robbie ray guys one way or the other throws frigging smoke. You gotta love this guy one way or the other and if he ends up being the fifth guy there's a lot worse guys truck out there on our fifth starter to say that but in all reality he could be if he comes back to form all inside is a guy that was probably a free agent right now still if he was playing that well probably a third starter animals rotations. Yeah i completely agree. i just wanna make a quick comment in just about your comment about worth worse. Fifth starters we have one That standard roller cratered. Something very very Interesting there in adam touch to a walker I think a lot of blue jays fans At times maybe feel. P walker is little overrated. Or they don't like the walker personally feel he might be a little bit under appreciated. Maybe not by much but a little bit based on some of the work that he's done and look clearly robbie. Ray felt like his best chance to get another payday. Next year was coming back and continuing the work that he started with people walker. There was guys a noticeable difference in him compared to a diamondback versus his blue jays. Tenure you go look the splits Did cut down his walk. So that wasn't hard to do Considering him for nine innings lied record. Is it really was but craig. I'll go back to you on that one. Do you think that. Pete walker is a little under appreciated by the fan base because there have been some mishaps along the way some people are like well. He hasn't really made anybody else exceed. But i mean ray. They were starting to get him right. He's helped jay stay in line from his pittsburgh days. What are your thoughts on people offer. He's just as much a big batch. Blue jays coaches. I think you can have in. That article was alluding. To a minute ago. I was more or less pointing out the fact that team two thousand sixteen and then twenty seventeen rotation at fallen apart consistently out especially the bullpen used. That could have been just as much of a us from the managing level so much him but in all reality he's done a really really solid job of making something and nothing in a lot of cases and i think that's really where i think he's shine. They found ways to tweak certain things for certain players that have been the difference in the world. And i think robbie ray might be going into this season. If they finish what they started he will be the best example of what the heck this could offer what they are doing with these metrics and whatnot. To help pitchers get glares out at. Yeah i think so. I think that you just gotta trust for lack of. What are you just going to process. I know that sounds cliche. But what they're building what they've been doing in terms of how this development is gone and how they've used these metrics hasn't been quite effective. So you just gotta dig your toes and entrust it and see if it works out and again the signings and what they anticipate or at least try to do is both encouraging and not. It doesn't dissuade me off the train here. So i think right now. The path is a linear one in the right way to go so hopefully knock on desk. This continues yeah absolutely. You're completely right blasting wanna touch on robbie raillard really quickly guys as adema. Go back to you on this one. Does he break camp in the rotation because we did see him used a whole bunch of ways during his. Blue jays tenure. Maybe that's because there's so many pitchers on the roster to begin with you have other arms that could be competing for rotation jobs And he did really well in the playoff game backing up Incoming in as the bolt guy as they call stays four matt shoemaker. So with that in mind considering some of the other rotation options before any potential editions does ray open as a starter or be. They continue to use them in those creative ways that they didn't twenty twenty. You would assume right now that they would have them slotted in the rotation just because of the lack of arms on right now it depending on what's going to happen with the minor league season. I'm assuming there's going to be one. Just for the sake of argument i don't see pearson on this rotation i really don't so if we're talking about rotation we're looking at review and right like oh than so he's he's obviously one that's gonna get slaughtered in so but then again if there isn't a minor league system you would assume pearson would be in there too so that's three. He's still need to more so as of right now. yes i do think. He's in the rotation. I do think that's a little bit more of a priority than the bullpen walking. It you wanna have a five man rotation at least before making a bullpen right. So and i think the bullpen is more or less figured out in terms of arms that we anticipate baraki romano also arms that we anticipate still being there so Yeah i would have to assume just with the lack of options that he's definitely right now a contender to break half for the rotation. Yeah i got. I gotta agree with you because right now. I don't know how to put it. Just put this in perspective. To what adam was you know struggling to wrap his mind around for a second and who else is around exactly. Row champ has are projected rotation right now as review ray in this order by the way. Ross stripling nate pearson. And tanner roark. That can and i also agree with adam that i would be. The minor league system is back in full force. I'd be shocked to see a pearson. Starting as much as we all want to see him. Starting the rotation. I they wanna see who would out solidify or what rises to the top with the five man rotation they struck out on opening day. And hope that one of those guys underperforms slide nate pearson it would be like gas but then the best case. So that's whole scenario is you do have five crazy. Good starters in that you get a throat. Pearson it so that's pretty nice but i think that if you don't put ray out there in that rotation you're really really relying on some giant jumps from anthony k hoping a simeon's would. Richardson comes in and really runs away with a job or just hoping you're actually starting quality in exotic. Tanner roark ross stripling. Who one of those guys. I prefers in the bullpen nan. The other guy. I really don't even think he belongs on the team. But right now how do you not including. So tell me. I'm ron i really don't i don't think anybody's gonna come out with that one. You're speaking the truth. Mr board and But look i think really what we could expect from. Robbie ray is probably not to hit the ceiling. He was out with arizona. I mean that was pretty incredible Especially considering that he's still walks on a guys any day Cy young caliber season. But i don't think he'll be as bad as he was with a and i think he'll be a little bit better than he was during short tenure with the blue jays. He started to see that improvement. If ray can open up maybe as three or maybe as a floor. And i think you're in pretty good shape because you do have the potential for that ceiling to be raised and the floor is. You're already at the floor. If he opens up as a florida. So i i think ceiling is jay happen. Second tenure at bowling ceiling wasn't running away with a cy young award or anything. He was a good starter. Any other major league baseball team that he's playing on during those times guys. I'm sorry to say he's not your number one start like he was with the blue jays and whatnot so just he's normally those years he would have been a tour three starter. I think ray could be that guy. That could come back to solid forum. And i think we literally saw something coming from what was last season. It was just enough for me to be impressed. Yeah completely and clearly. The blue jays that too in his media appearance on zoom yesterday he. He spoke highly of this team and he wanted to be a part of it for another year because he can see these superstars that are starting to develop in other stars around the diamond luck. Let's go from a short thing. That's on the roster to some daydreaming or pipedreams or maybe not i mean maybe a year ago some of these names that are being thrown around and the fact that the we've as being consistently linked as teams who are going to be aggressive. Who are going to be in on. These guys is exciting. We we kinda tease that right as we started and before we started reporting. Let's let's move on to that guy's last year in february was the last year is only february that we had our nolan erin auto. Let's put together some trade packages and that was one of our best shows ever. So i kinda wanna go back there. But let's start with francisco window because this is a name that is not going away The cleveland connection is they are. I know we talked about this last week. And it's hard to ignore atkinson shapiro. Were there when when door came into the organization Craig let's kick this thing off with you as the minor league gurus because they're probably will have to be some minor league piece is almost a certainty. there will be some minor league pieces. Go into cleveland in this hypothetical trade. Why don't you lay out your package that you would be comfortable with. Giving cleveland Four francisco door without the ability to sign him to an extension before the deal has been made so. Uri on my frigging big. Drake mr out the right holiday trade. So i me personally. I don't even know if i want to pull the trigger on it without that extension. Talk but if i am doing that. I'm definitely not including what the quote unquote asking prices. They've been asking that they want three major league ready. Are majorly close. Players were franscisco lender. I don't know how in the world anybody's mind that that's happening without that exclusivity window to talk to him But the alleged rumor would be in had to include. Somebody like boris. correal junior. Or you know somebody of that caliber. I really don't see how. I could spend money on that to do that. I would be more comfortable in the ballpark of sending some rando grischuk as your quote unquote ready to go and plug into the everyday lineup in cleveland. And then i really think they're going to have to go top end on their prospects to some of the guys that are in their top ten prospects for the traveler j system period and it really would not shock me. How cleveland's been leaning. They want to major league pitchers in that situation or damn close to it. I really would be shocked guys if we actually hold on to simulate richardson. After all this. I really would be thinking. He would be the high end arm. Because i learned blue jays. Never going to part with pearson. I don't care what the hell kind of money are thrown at or player wise. I really don't see that happening because they're too high on this kid. It's going to be somebody in that ballpark. Where richardson. I think is hanging. So somewhere. like grischuk Mic was richardson at and maybe thrown in like an anthony k. But i think if you're doing somebody at the anthony k. Level that's a starter you're going to have to actually give up a fourth wildcard at the end of that. So you're going to have to throw in somebody. Maybe is in the fifteen ballpark or abuse. Arabas martinez the. I really wouldn't be shocking. If it's somebody that's that low on the system in really really high ended as far as what is talent ceiling is. I think that's where they're going to have to walk in. Honestly when i was piecing this together in my mind i really wondered how much might look like what we gave up for josh donaldson. Back in two thousand. Fifteen adam equality. I'm good i if we're going to ask. Yeah get a rental. I almost said. I'm not giving up anything of value because i thoroughly believe whatever team and this includes the blue jays whatever team he signs with. He's probably not going to stay there anyway. So why give up. The bluejays are not a lindo away from a world series. Okay they're just not and could this make you into a six or fifth seed in a playoff race. Sure it's not going to win the division. I'm sorry i'll linda. You're not all indoor away from beating out the yankees and the race. You're just not so. Am i going to give significant prospect capital or significant capital. That's already on the active roster. I'm not and lookie bye. Bye adding door. You're already creating redundancy in that shortstop position even though both said he moved. And you're eliminating alfie position that scarce as it is by potentially giving away lord el. What are you doing about your outfield field. Now you have to plug in more holes so this kind of it's a. It's a step forward to setbacks and doesn't make sense to me. So i just would rather wait until the after the world series in twenty one heading into the twenty two off season and just try to make a move. Try to try to lure them in with the money that you presumably will still have despite the pandemic and the effects that it's had on you. I'd rather just wait so if it's without an extension i'm good but if if an extension is on the table i'm talking five year extension. I'm with giving up groshans. I'm good with with giving up. Simeon's would richardson. I really am if it means a guaranteed extension or some sort of a sign and trade or whatever. It's it's definitely happening. Yes i'll push by chips in and then build around that you have to be aggressive elsewhere too. But if you're doing that. I would be hard pressed to give up laura's but i guess i would just because you have the upside but you've got to be aggressive in the market at that point so totally it. Actually i wanna stick with you on that one atom because there's a few other ways we can take this window or conversation guys and i i wanna take it is does your opinion change with no On the table if his team brings in one of george springer or jackie bradley jr. preferably springer because he's the better player and it could signal to lindores. Hey this team's legit serious about winning already on the up and up. They've signed a star center. Fielder does that push the needle for you to want to take. The risk of a rental inference will endorse. If it's george springer that's added yes in jackie bradley jr. it doesn't i. I am not happy agreed with them. I'm sorry it's nine extra anyway. Yeah i can only imagine what it's going to cost. And i think he's gonna want something of high value and to me. That's an overpay. Your outbidding yourselves at that point. And i'm all set. But if it's springer okay. I at that point. I'm willing to entertain this without an extension because at that point now you can sort of lure lindores ian after the season. I know. I said he's probably not going to resign with the team that traits or him but if he sees hey man look. We have a pretty good outfield right now and our pitching staff is on the up and up. We're going to get to that later. And these these kids around you are blossoming. We can make a significant push. And we're not even done. So if it's springer on greg on that last night i got to mention this because crazy feet. Eighteen on our twitter account. Said you'd move video to laugh you signed. Dj lemay you. And then you bring up the door to place play off the middle awesome blitz the free agent market so anyways I think you guys unfortunately youtube no standing on the whole. You don't want anything. so can i ask. this question. wasn't linda or one of the ones. That was more vocal about the whole astros catastrophe. I think so. I do believe he was actually actually deterrent for him. Resigning now winning cures everything dude. Winning cures everything. That's where we're going about it. You can't get jackie bradley. Jr. either yeah no i. I don't think jackie bradley. Jr. unfortunately i don't think it's saw. He solves any no other than defense. Personally i really think you're taking a You're hoping for omar vizquel playing sarah meal right. You're going to get tons of defense and then you're hoping he's going to give you an offense to carries weight i really. I don't see his offense getting any better than he's been. I really don't i don't think he may actually be peaking in his major league career. Right now maybe it's just because i literally saw him playing in new hampshire the weekend. I got finally meet mr corsair in person. Any looks like garbage playing for the seattle. Cpr the seahawks portland. Yeah let's just say let's just say The second game that adam didn't attend with me because he went back home with his lovely wife now wife and whatnot but Ice stuck around for the second game about to be saw Sean reid foley made his bench that next day. So maybe that's where my problem is. It was sean reid foley crushing a guy that has a quote unquote end center fielder right now. Speaking of guys we haven't talked about fellas usually get brought up once an episode past ain't now they're young. Check that box tonight. Show so anyways Jackie bradley thanks xs. Anything and i think if you're going to go full in online door i would be shocked honestly guys if anybody else in major league. Baseball is really ready to make that commitment on francisco. Lynn door without that dingy contingency. In this all you're talking about very uncertain payrolls This season maybe even further depending on what happens with the coronavirus because right now. I don't care what's going on or what's going around in the media. It is a complete wildcard if anything gets fixed. Complete wildcard fifty fifty at best reid. So if you're talking about still not having players. I mean players being seen by actual fans at the stadium. Are you willing to throw a giant brick money without some kind of contingency for one year. Randall i would want to be signing especially in the blue jays standpoint they have like no payroll is a right. Now in the grit. Check bright if you have any room to suspend lawrence too but in all reality chief. His health so especially with the ceiling. We're talking about with somebody. Like laura's assuming include him in that package which i personally wouldn't even be doing that. I think you're moving around the problem. If you're throwing a reality junior into that trade. And then i can't believe somebody earlier even had the balls to mention that we should is trade boba shut if we get fricken francisco. Are you nuts. Thought timeout train. The franchise player right. Now that's the same as if you decide you know. I'll let this trade holiday halladay when we were competing on it so but no i don't. I don't think you can go after bradley. And i don't think you can fix this and i don't think that's gonna. I don't think either of those two are actually going to be. The reason that lender would turn around and come here. I think if lindores going to stay. I think they're either going to have to get him on that upfront contract and it might be closer to a two year extension as i was thinking as much as i'd love to see it a five and just out all his prime i think gives him the Comfortable fact that only if this doesn't work out it's two years ago trial bluejays and that are three good years from taller including the coming season. But i really think that's where the window is going to be on that negotiation. And then like i said throw brecca prospect at at with a great chick or you know somebody else. One of our catchers. Maybe you have to put rowdy in as much as i don't wanna do that so i think rowdies best as might come at the plate soon. I don't know what it was about. Those few games guys there. What he was hot. It was starting to remind me of delgado swing a little bit where he was teeing off feels well our be delgado just saying you to get back on the costs so that was neuroses. Take that that three prospect thing. Apparently at Vote in the athletic said that it could just be one of busy. Oh or gurriel done doing. Yeah yeah still. Let's use this as a baseline guys to debate a little bit about this. I sent this to you guys in texas. Yesterday it was a trade package. I'll give credit to who put it together. I believe jason to couch specifically shawn doyle. Adamant that you've been on his show before so i put up No extension included. I believe was the premise to this one. And no george springer or jj fully agree with you. craig. I don't want jj under any circumstances but this kind of tickled my fancy a little bit. Even though there wasn't an extension on the table we give up the bluejays. Give up laura's they give up miguel geraldo and they can cloth adam kaufman. Stephen and you get francisco door to me guys. Let's debate this to me. That doesn't seem overly of price to get windward not on an extension because you look at Yes he still years away you save. Probably your closest big ceiling prospect. Sydney was richardson from this. Trade is still in your organization with a whole lot of other names. still in the organization. Geraldo is far further off to that. Other guys like martin Enjoyed groceries still. Keep him And then look that's debatable. Part i personally think guys alertus aerial is this team's biggest on roster trade chip because how cheap ps and good. He's been the last few years. I think you could get by trading loris and plugging field in or signing a guy to play left field. But that's just me. I'm comfortable with pulling the trigger on that. Propose package four francisco. Indoor if an extension is off the table and you try to get into the building and resign route the off season. Craig list go to you on that one. Do you like that proposed package. What would you change to it And let's start there. I i just don't i don't i really don't think i can afford to give up career. I don't think we have the deaths in our outfields. We have death everywhere else in our minor league system. If we're gonna come down to that kind of thing. I do agree with you. That close steen would be honestly very enticing throws in how good he throws accurately and Was the person who had mentioned. Qualificati coffee Arielle her geraldo her. Although is still so far away. I really do think that he might be the best prospect in blue the blue jays system in a very short period here just because he's got all the tools it's like common through the system again. It's that same kind of craziness just went out the name power. So that being said though. I really think you're gonna if you're not going to include somebody like a real because you can't afford applaud that we either need. If you do get up very all. We need somebody that we can at least throw the fucking last field. Baby that trade. To or i just i'm not terribly enticed by anybody on the free agent alpha market other than the two of you have been mentioning but don't even think in that situation i would rather throw three more prospects in for whatever level how we do because we have so much talent in our meyer league system or events. The way it's gotta be on those two would agree. I'll go danny janssen or somebody like that as much as i don't want to see that happen as well right and i think we would have a better chance of plugging the catcher hole through three edge market. Or if i got lindores the lineup guys with all this other stuff going on. I would take the wildcard on having whoever the fuck catch i really you know. So where Who's off Nice where that probably would be. Is the india's actually do have a pretty decent catcher in free talk monster right. Yeah and he's up. And coming to so i would think that might not be the biggest fed but i really would as much. I don't wanna see him go. I think roddy to alaska be just beggar. Approach trade chip with what we saw from the end of him in it. Easier and cheaper than gabrielle. Right throwing other throw a fourth person that trade that is somewhere in our top thirty prospects. And i think that could get it done. Okay atta i just simply not making a move. If involves gary l. It doesn't involve an extension. It was not doing it because again. I think i'd rather to chase after him in the off season. I have no qualms of giving up prospect capital. I really don't but if you remove real from this how much faith do we have in. Jonathan davis for real. How much base do we have is. Jackie bradley jr. i- ceiling is a little. I write i write. You would say his ceiling is higher. I would think that at the minimum going to do you know i just i just think that i if i think of. I give jonathan davis every day at bats. He's gonna get on. Basis goes rajai davis did play stallard events. I really think that honestly would play. Wow outfield that. If you're going to have in that case. I put grischuk and laughter and right and i put john davis back in senator. Johnson davis is a center fielder all day to me. I don't even take the chance of putting him anywhere else. So if i haven't outfield all he is easily our best guy plug with. So he's the one that you go in sorry so outside of that certainly. Yeah outside of that internally. All you have is derek fucking fisher. Great and i'm not comfortable. Yeah i am not called to break camp out relying on options. That's what i'm saying. I don't think camp. I think he's just going to just going to let them go. Let them walk lesson. Learned so i'm not dealing lord.'. Without a contract extension because i can't give up four years of control where something producing and someone who has been growing with this team and whose potential hasn't even been hit we've seen flashes of really stellar play from. That's a canon in left field for an arm when he how many throws have we seen him make from way out there in left field. Bang it out throw a home. I'm not look i know. Lindores a generational talent. I know he still young but we are. I assumed the three of us are in agreement that the buddhas are not contending for world series in twenty twenty one. Are we in agreement about this more than likely. Offseason shakes out. I'm saying if door all right. It does the only thing we add with ray. I'm sorry. say lyn bauer. We're still not competing for world series. There's a whole lot of other work. We need to do right. And then we have to explore the mortgage and then we have to finish out the pitching rotation then we have to rebuild the bullpen. It's just a sort of a cluster. Fuck and i know we've been talking about how much money the rodgers has is willing to spend. I get that but still. I'm looking at the talent and new york and i'm looking at the talent tampa bay. I don't think right now. The team is there yet. I think they need one full year to really get their feet. Wet have lied. Full year in shape. See what he can do in that and saving regain some confidence in two thousand twenty to revisit this and just push all your chips and give wind or whatever the fuck you want. Whatever i think is who is aged. Do we know who i think. He's boris to let morris with reset to boris client. Then great we. We've men that bridge with rio right and we can entertain saying. Hey what do you want. What do you want to pay. And we'll overpay. We get a canada bluejean. What do you want and you push your chips in. I'm not giving up significant major league ready control for rental. I'm not especially if we're not ready to push for world series. Yeah no both of your viewpoints on that are equally fair. It's tough especially when you get the latest. I agree with issues with trading prospect capital. Especially because if anything was those two route. That wasn't lewis. I don't think the prospect Are the farm. Doesn't take that much of a hit because of have talent there isn't there The last thing. I want to go on lynn door before we move onto the rockies and knowing aaron auto and potentially other guys there in colorado is how much extra do you pay cleveland for them to say all right we will take maybe two additional prospects on your package And you guys get the chance to complete an extension before this deal goes through. How much more you willing to pay for the window to extend them no one knowing nothing for the window. Now you you get more prospect have capital or nothing happens but you say what it is. Yeah you're we're going to give you more prospect capital for more time for him to say no no no through until he say oh there has to be taught and Still nothing no. I'm not. I'm we're doing them a favor because they wanna be relief at the salary and get something that's going to be term anyway and we say okay kick rocks pal. Have on your teeth for a half of the year and get this package at the trade deadline. No rocks nothing. Their goals the capitalize on the pitching power. That got obviously today. They crown shane bieber the Al cy young award. So they're they have cheaper for the next few years they don't want they want us to be quick. Rebuilt like we just. Did you know four or five years. Just get it done. Lock it in so they can you know at that point. They would not sign bieber's company long-term and run around with all the rest of the prospect capital that they've gathered from this linda trade and whoever else they ship off right. So if you're talking about just go back to the laura scurry. I'll think real quick if they want jury al and that's what they want as that piece. I think they need to throw in a pitcher. I really do i because that would solve. I might be moving the problems around a little bit. But we're getting somebody that would probably be better than some of the random free agent arms. We could have gotten on the on the free agent market. That's the only thing i am not saying. Jimmy act police act that there are number five guy but you know if there was all of a sudden hope for the continued. Resurgence of carlos. Carrasco i might comprehend Throwing brielle into that package. Because i'm fixing a couple of things but straight out can't do it on the prospect capital thing. That's exclusively windows. You're gonna talk. It has nothing to do with it. I knew we had this long Linda would lock up real deal with us. For whenever the extension would be is completely contingent on him putting that signature to the blue jays contract paper period just like affiliated with right holiday and i thought honestly that at the time that was honestly a great trade. It didn't turn out as high in. Hindsight is great for the blue jays but in all reality guys wanna talk about that we get we turn all that shit and devon travis for a couple of good years so there's definitely a lot worse things that can happen but i think that's what we those are the kind of examples that i think the blue jays should be following in this situation here that the god If you want this to happen and you want the in. This is the price of admission. You need to make sure that this happens before we pull the trigger on this completely Last thing i'll say is. Cleveland came back to toronto and the blue jays asked. Okay you get exclusive rights to talk to francisco and do your best to sign to an extension but you gotta throw in another top twenty prospect signing fuck up because if you can guarantee that you have indoor for twenty twenty one and twenty twenty two n beyond for maybe another three or four years. That's worth throwing in that extra now. The thing that. I'm happy doing that even if you do. Only at the two extra years on top of this coming season for three seasons total. I think exist. Let's just lay it up. That's the blue jays window. It's starting as early as this season. Yup but that you're really looking that the main core of where this team is pointing a lesser is some giant change which we could make this while the prospect capital. They have twenty two twenty. Twenty two and twenty twenty. Three is really the big prime windows. They should be striking while the irons hot totally totally. Well let's move on from somebody who isn't signed beyond this year to somebody who is Let's start with nolan earn auto in colorado. That's another name. That's come up over the last off season or to A guy that clearly the rockies want to dump that impressively huge contract off on somebody and if they found somebody to take on that full deal maybe the price is a little bit than what it would be if the rockies eight money So why don't we start with you craig. On this one nolan. Aaron auto is signed until twenty twenty six. I believe the av is thirty or through. It's a lot He had a pretty poor season in sixty games but before the six game season was nothing to suggest looking at its fan grasp patient other places like baseball savant or whatever that this is. The start of a decline for nolan auto could be the risk. You take We've had this discussion at length before. So let's revisit it and just focus on audit for the time being and then i'm going to throw in my my addition that would make me want to steal craig. Are you down for nolan Knowing how much it's gonna cost for the next few years in that there's probably a chance he will not opt out of that deal when he has a chance to do so. All the i'm figuring it out. I just for as much things that covert in. This short season screwed up. Nolan aeronautics the same reason we saw like guys frigging take off in off sunbeam. You know the best players in baseball a small season period. I am not watching an oblate. I am not worried about him. Skip losing stop one way or the other correct me. If i'm wrong. He just want his seventh or eighth gold glove in a row third base in dallas and the fact that the young might playing field right. Now right okay. Of course feel numbers. The american league east has in general as far as the division does better ballpark metrics. So i am not expecting him to do anything but be josh donaldson. When he comes here and that right heart of the toronto blue jays order it will be that same kind of level. I think regardless of what the hell just happened this last sixty game season. 'cause until that point there has been zero signing him slowing down if anything in twenty Nineteen he looked like. He was even getting better so i. I just can't take twenty twenty with any grain of salt on air nado to wonder if he is good or bad. Or whatever at this point. I'm running on the major part of the track record. That has been nothing but short of an mvp caliber player and honesty twenty nine. He have gotten some real major serious. Mvp boats but there's you know the yell at shoulda and cody bellinger talk. So those two guys were even slightly underperforming. He's right in the three of those guys adam. Yeah what am i. I think having him there sort of clogs things up at third base and it might send vladi in to a little bit of disarray. But i think you just figure it out contract. I'm not really worried about when it comes to the amount whatever we we've dealt with bigger contracts before and it does get easier in terms of the cost. the later it is. I know when he signed until twenty twenty six would be his final year so twenty. Twenty-five it's thirty two million to set of thirty five point. Twenty six is twenty seven million thirty five so it's frontloaded at least the problem seeing here. Yeah is he does have a full. No trade clause and that doesn't usually historically favored the blue jays so you had and i'm assuming he might say no because of vladi being there but i could be wrong for just putting that aside for a little bit cast outside. I have no issue with the contract. I have no issue with the longevity. You are literally doing the rockies favor by doing this so i'm not giving up a lot because this is this is contract relief for that crowd unless they're gonna eat some of the contracts over the next two years you're not thinking about that or we're getting another piece of like is running marquette or somebody else that would be the other part of this thing or whatever it might be. You're giving these something a little bit more to give those prospects you know it's the we've seen it happen in baseball repetitively when carlos stanton thing happened. What did the blue jays are the yankees really. I was full on derek. Jeter wanted these leader financial stability and muscle that he can throw around when he actually needed after trying to develop a small market team. Basically at that point. So i think those kinds of things are the actual malls or what the blue jays could be. If it's literally just going for nolan aeronautical and not having a rocky fun coming over with us and if it does end up having something going on i really think this could be just as simple as knowing aaron for jordan grow. Shanzer something like that. I think it's gotten to that point after out of the blue jays have enough bargaining power on that that you can throw a prospect in well. Let's see what was twenty twenty hurt for the first time as start. There's enough that argument. That is actually funny enough oddly. Different than like what. Brennan mentioned in the last one at eight ten months since we had this conversation with aeronautical and it's amazing how much a few months in a little bit of an off track season will derail these kinds of things like you had mentioned adamant brandon that he. They're looking for the flexibility. They wanna be able to get back to where they need to with the colorado rockies and get backing up our house in that division and right now i don't think that spells them having more or less their core guys story Aeronautical walkman all those guys. I really don't see what having those to those three guys on your roster really does for you right now. They're getting a little older. They're not going to be here by the time. That team is really going to be hanging on all cylinders again with any prospect talent they really should dangle in them and i don't know why honestly hasn't i am shocked. It's taken this long. I really am because they don't have really a ton to else to really build on so bring the build in right. Yeah and look at all. Stick with you on this one. If iraqis are truly in fire cinema. Which i think they will be. I think they are. They are going to make every effort to ship. Awesome other veterans. Like blackman as you mentioned greg And others and let's just say they are in sale mode and you go to colorado and you see okay. We'll take on. All of aeronautics money what we want you to also throw in german marquez and marquette isn't a throwing i mean just because he plays in colorado a lot of blue jays fans probably don't know much about him but he is a nice or number two in a baragan staff he just a few years ago. I believe two hundred or a little bit under two hundred close to two hundred sixty seven strikeouts strike sheen much like robbie raise Marquez is signed until twenty twenty four so you can make that move knowing that you have came in review when pearson and others leading your rotation for the next five years or four years. I guess three years with real under contract three more after this now that we started putting together hypothetical packages for indoor. Let's shift that to a package that is centered around the blue jays getting auto taking all of his money and irma marquess. Knowing that it's probably going to take a lot but at what would you be comfortable giving up. If you knew you're getting both of those guys back colorado would be hard pressed to give marquez. I would imagine so we control right. Yeah i'm cheap to. I'm thinking it's going to be quite significant. You might have to give up groshans just so they have that flexibility for third base for later on I don't know it. I still wanna be giving comfortable giving up lord lino. I'm sorry i'm not. I can take rich. No i grit chickens this personally i would be i. I'd be comfortable giving up in. Would richardson in this scenario. And i think it would take a little bit more. I think you would have to include some lower level prospects or even if it doesn't include a groshans and that plus back. I think that gets it done but they i can't give up marquez. That's just me. I'm in the ballpark steered a little different. I really think that the blue jays as much as i would love to get marquess. I really think he could be one the next big pictures in baseball period. Not just in a blue hair iraqi or whoever uniform. I really think that talent to we saw it a couple of years ago. When i actually didn't make the playoffs there was something kind of nuts there. He was an incredible series against the brewers. And then just all of a sudden it's single off in twenty twenty four m wasn't ripening still performing a crazy clip right I think that he's close to take that next step in being this a he could be this year's Like what shane bieber did with the indians. You knew he was good but you didn't know he was that good you know so. I think you're gonna end up doing that. You're you're not only doing something i think. It might take trading. Johnson and grit check as a major league is still throwing three miley guys at. It really would not shock me that you need to have something for them to plug a couple of gaps. And then you're gonna have to give them some the thing that pisses me off after the whole thing if that does happen. I'm stuck mcguire and kirk at my catching slot. Which i love kirk. I don't know if he's ready to run with job. And i'm not gonna lie. I don't trust reese mcguire right now other than a backup i really think he is gonna peak out major league baseball player kevin cash level. So i just. I don't see that there but i really think that in the midst of you are going to be trading and those were two major league guys. It wouldn't shock me at your giving away minoa or richardson. And then you're still gonna probably have throwdown into the middle of our depths of our minor league organization in throw in some pretty good like geraldo or now at that point the iraqis interested. I just don't think it's going to happen. But on that other now i we might be able to up sale and get charlie blackmon with a lot of salary for the rockies so at that point okay. Maybe like i mentioned a minute ago. If you're going for Groshans just for our australia up. Okay maybe i'll give you two war prospects. If you give me charlie block man now. I am a center fielder and third baseman. That looks similar to you know the rockies but strangely okay with that being in the american league ballparks bluejays. I think that's where those. I think that the more realistic trade as much as it sounds like a lot of fucking money bluejays quote unquote wants money around. That's throwing money around right there. And i think blackman's only signed for two more seasons so it's not the crazy end of the aaron. No trade i got. I was trying to look it up before you put everything on me brennan. You're out of black men in there with that much money and that just name clout that's coming back to the blue jays at the marlins trade all over again when you think about it. your headline which aus- johnson mark burleigh and jose reyes With some other guys thrown in like john buckingham. Osceola but Yeah i i think we're going there craig. is absolutely right. I mean the rockies. Just give away or an auto. Surely the blue jays can probably negotiate. We'll take on all the money and sure you can take russians. And maybe that's something that you got right there years three years for blackman layer options right. That's interesting eighteen is when i sovereign our amazon. What you were saying for in terms of price yes. He's twenty one twenty one twenty one mill. Twenty one mill than thirteen melt. The last two years are player options which at age thirty five and thirty six rate. I don't i don't see him getting out. He'll a lot one year of money for the rockies to get back. That could be critical. Right you're left could be especially knowing that it a player option really gonna turn down the money. No that's what. I'm saying looking at forty two plus thirteen. So you're looking at fifty five million dollars that the rockies have to be adhered to potentially and like we said he's probably not gonna opt out of those years plus the auto money which is substantial. You'd be doing the rockies favor all but can i ask this question though. Isn't that same fifty five million dollars better than throwing that same amount of money at jackie. Bradley jr. yes all reacted your job will sit the because if you'd includes if it includes a narrow nado than yes it does and at that point if i'm taking on all the salary you're looking at over one hundred dollars if i'm taking on all that salary i'm saying you get groshans and we get marc as black men and araneta. We'll take on all the salary that's it because we're more than we're giving you one hundred million dollar relief all totally. That's what you're trading for. Plus excuse yes part of that could be. It's just a balance out the money a little bit. Be like take ted aerobics. Twelve million and cannot but look craig where you're going with that package let let's say black included in this and you go aaron auto you take all this money you get more cast in there and i think you're right. I think it might take five guys to get this done. I think you're looking at danny danson. I think you're looking at a rowdy. Potentially maybe an outfielder. Let's leave lord assata this discussion. Maybe yaas cards in play maybe grischuk and then this is where it will get interesting. I still even know who he was a year ago. I still do. I i still. It takes sword groceries. I still think it would take a sim in which richardson ornella. Minoa or a cloth. Stein if you start getting that expensive do still bat by an ad. Both of those guys shapes johnson. Let's say for argument's sake t oscar out of it. Let's say let's in. Let's say it's groshans. Let's say it simian would richardson. Let's say it's miguel They would need geraldo. Let's say it's repelling as a prospect a little further away and then they get their choice of arm in the maybe the thirty to fifteen range. Is that a package that you're still comfortable making this deal on timing. Yeah i agree is the window. You're you're bolstering the window. If you're now one hundred percent that pushes us even from contending definitely twenty two twenty three to being a threat as early as the season especially if they are planning on doing anything else for this rotation that would be. That would work that you'd have to travel at that point that extra arm you know 'cause now you're going to have your one two punch you're going to have the holiday the burnett kabo your have the used to be the pat hankins Guzman capo whatever it might be. You're going to have awesomeness to it. And then you throw a couple of guys like robbie ray and whatnot. That's a lot of ws. This season fellas really is especially when one of our fans earlier in the show we twenty robbie ray cy young. Apparently they've been listening to my kula or or drinking himself right by You gotta pull the trigger on. I really if the iraqis are going to have the fire sale the blue jays have the capital in prospects and whatever they want to outbid anybody i agree and that's how they need to attack. This offseason speckled. They have if they want to. First off push the window that they have and maybe even extended. Yeah i'm in full agreement. I really am in luck. It's crazy to say. I even think if you take away three of those prospects that we mentioned or two of them at still. It's a hit still not depleting you by any means it's really shows guys how impressive. This front office has been as restocking a farm. That was empty at twenty fifteen so the Discussions for francisco. You can be in discussions for nolan. Auto ramon marquez. Let's stick on the rockets for one more quick topics. Because i think that this one will be a quick answer. Here ever story is another name that thrown around and maybe if the rockets are having failed they would consider moving story however it's the exact same situation as stories region at the next year I think adam rate seeming that stories off the books if there's no extension of possible it depends on what we're giving up if if we're not giving up much more again i'm more inclined to do a deal with the rockies because the salary relief for them so it's yeah it's giving that is what they're treating four relief right and if we're taking on all his money i think to then that means more than prospects coming back i would assume they just want to free up this payroll that they found himself in so we're trading for story as well. Yeah i'm still not giving up significant prospect capital. But i'm willing to do it but now this is really marlins what's going on right now and that makes me. It gives me some sort of ptsd from two thousand thirteen and make slightly. I wanted were not getting jose ramos. These guys you know. And then we just take on all their bad contracts. And then we're in this albatross. I'd rather not do that but if it means story. If it's it's insignificant prospect capital going back fine craig. let's just say was story and marquez instead of nod which for what Depends i need. I think that would cost still quite a bit. I think you could probably negotiate with the rockies. Look stories asia will take them on. If it means we get marquez without the extension so i think really focus on giving up prospects and what they want for marquez alone and then maybe throw in one more piece or story but around the same packages lindores. I'm not giving notice. I'm not moving more real for rental. There you go there it. Is i agree. I think they're going to at a minimum. Let's say you do the the story and marquez trade marquez. the one that's gaining all the way in that trade and at a worst case scenario went on throwing in is not that other major league ready player. But i'm going down to our bottom of our top. Three list of thrown josh win. Cousy who had a great season right before covid with the atlantic lug nuts in the ad andrew critter cats. I'm looking more at the riley adams as maybe it's even thrown in julian. Mary weather or something like that is the quote unquote named power the moment in l. Because in all reality if you are cavs. Even somebody like julian mary whether all of a sudden starts to roll off as reality because then you still have the anthony ks armenians. Even somebody like him you know. I really don't want to see them. Go but okay for every that we have in that situation our top prospect. There's about five other ones there. You really really that worried about witkowski. If i don't trade him road rising up to the twenty level in my prospect list guy was sick and twenty nineteen crazy. Good and then you've got guys like there's a bunch of guys on our prospects don't make it colin large looking like he might deliver enlarge and the blue jays minor league system very very soon and he's not even on our top thirty is so there's a lot of guys are even at that point. That's how it is i. I know i'm the minor league guy. I get that but i didn't have anything to go off of this last season so i'm still going off of everything i had seen. There is fifty solid prospects in the blue jays system than you can interchange with. And that's why these trade talks. Like i said they should destroying these guys at it. Prospects are great to have for two reasons trade capital and the fact that you're hoping that some of them will make it to the majors right now. Yes there's some open positions guys. But we're not like clawing for open positions. Were looking for that high ceiling guy right now. In having prospect talent is not really filling those holes as quickly and some of those places that we would like. So you have the trade those guys to get these guys. And that's what i really. I would love to throw a brick any of the rockies main guys right now regardless because we can take on the salary right now yeah might restrict it a little bit but i really would be hard pressed to see that story. Aaron auto blackman at definitely marquez. Ain't gonna regress and in those other three guys. They're not gonna be that bad to the point. Where i'm freaking out. Just to put things in perspective. I love vernon wells. I love the contract when we signed it because it showed the blue jays for trying to keep their own talent for the first time in a million years we were bleeding out like brennan wells to the yankees and all the other major league baseball teams for years. That was a sign that we were wanting to compete right. Yeah okay. That was a ton of money and a complete sign of the jp riccardi era in toronto blue jays. Baseball but at the time in two thousand three there was no better. Centerfielder burn wells. He was going to get paid. So i'm just glad you gotta stay on the blue jays uniform and in all reality guys okay. The last year of nolan harald's not still a two seventy high defending player vernon wells was at the end of his career. We'll be you do. I'm happy with it. Get me win now. Guys no matter where this off season goes matter. Who's traded from the prospect capital. Like the big three names that keeps getting thrown around in any hypothetical trade packages on the pitching side is woods. Richardson it's alabama noah and it's out of cloth and but some of these other names on here guys are still equally as impressive on just going through the list. Right now eleven. Cj van eyck who they just drafted twelve. We still have eric party. Who was coming on up for his injury. Which start to get crazy and craig. I know he's your man crush number. Eighteen patrick murphy number twenty julian weather who already seen can get out quite easily at the big league level and other guys Josh wink skis. Twenty six trent palmer who they drafted twenty seven Joey murray another name that we keep on hearing about twenty nine. They will still be fine even if they were to move one or two bigger names in this prospect system. It's exciting for the first time in a while. I fully believe that any of these rumors in any of the names that are thrown around. I think that they are going to be linked to them. I think that there's a very legitimate possibility that the best names on the market via trade via free agency could come to toronto and that's just incredibly exciting reaching for guys that really is one scary thing of all those names you just pointed out in our top thirty prospect list go for our best outfielders at a number. Thirty job is yang. Probably were usually at least the closest to being i really. Don't think austin martin gonna play the outfield. I really don't i unless you do. The aaron auto trade force amid the outfield. I really don't think that's going to happen. So you're looking at the best outfielders it'll blue. Jays system is designed brown. We just drafted in the last two years Or was it will robertson just drafted and then you go all lay down to charlotte john over thirty. And he's the one that's the most tenured in our Minor league system. Yeah i mean. That's why george said skies badly gregory and you know what more to your point about auto if we do trade for aaron are and look. I can't say this again enough. Rather full no-trade clause so he might not want to do the blue jays but assuming that we can to me. I don't think that means also martin's and outfielder at all. I think that's the sort of solidify because i would assume you'd have to give up groceries and this deal. I think awesome arm would be your basement because aaronow does your future d. h. period. Yes periods he's going to have to. Do you want to get out of that contract like you're paying for you very well might be right on that situation which is saying something as how good is gone. Oh yeah but he likes fly paper route. That has a canon plays at third base. It's just the age range unreliable so you figure towards the of that contract even if it's the last the final three years fine and by then martin will be ready. Can i make closing statement on the rocky situation. Closet it up. My friend fielder beer man. It's so i want to last the on the back of teasha at nickname lawson. I'm imagining these. Like weird t shirts from like wherever are jays walker something. There is going to be like the chuck nasty beard with the both but shot slow boat shock it is. It is exciting stress that enough. We spent a long time on the two topics. Three topics thought there is one more topic. And i just wanna know if you guys want to save. Trevor bauer for next week out of your hosting. Actually if you want to save. Trevor bauer you guys want to dive into. It doesn't matter to be minutes. Your show signs. love sure. There's going to be more to talk about next when it comes to power so go ahead kind of going. It won't go away. Controlling doesn't stop and look. I closed this a question on my twitter feed an atom. You brought it up. So i'll give you credit on this one and i'll let you take i. Vlad was just the latest blue jay to advocate or Hope that trevor bauer comes. The eugene's we've seen rental grischuk put on a full court press oscar hernandez Tweet i think last week or two weeks ago. I'ts warned there was another name or two that is openly supportive of the blue jays going after our allied with that name. I put that we'd grischuk. Yeah of course. I put this tweet out. It got a mixed bag of us. I think it even led to an on follow from somebody like what are you doing much. I'm just asking questions. I'm not on either side of the fence here. i can understand. People were skeptical about our in his personality in its character but at same time look players really when it boils down to us fans got to remember only thing they care about is winning. They can put political differences aside even if he is a trump or another guys in the locker. Room r biden or or whatever other side On all exactly it is about legis. Unfollowed apology back just to prove a point foyer but you see all these players. Overly advocated for bauer. Does that start to put some of these concerns to rest and would you welcome to believe as even more than maybe you previously or just eliminate some of those reservations biden. I mean that's that's all we can really say about. I don't. I want to get an again not to get political. I want to get to the point where our political leanings don't necessarily defined as human beings. I know it's really difficult to do. Especially with the rhetoric that trump you know gives out and if you support trump it therefore leads to this connection that you support the rhetoric that might not always be the case but i guess sometimes most of the time it is. You don't know what kind of a person trevor. bauer is. Really outside of what he tells us on twitter. I don't know him personally it. Could he be an asshole of course critically people on the blue jays right now that you are unaware of that support trump in are assholes absent percent grip. You don't know. I don't know and you know i don't care but like i don't as long as there are winning games. I can sort of put that aside really. And if he's being nice to people i e females in general more specifically. I don't i don't see it as an issue. I trust this front office. Because they preached culture the preached about personalities and they preached about having that to be at premium. The only person that i've them have on their squad that has been questionable that they've is. He's the only one that i have been like. I don't i don't know he's had some issues. And they sort of put a bullet in and now he's nothing right. And so you guys keep preaching culture and all this stuff. And you want george springer. Come on i trust. Ringer is a better person than bauer. I had left the door open. Just kicked it in. We had ken giles on the team. But also look. If you're going to win this game sure. I do think that the blue jays at they're going to probably spend and from my understanding. He only wants a one year deal. He likes that sort of flexibility. We're gonna pay him one year. Twenty some odd million dollars. They better do their homework and if they do do their homework and they find out that you know. Maybe some this bone or you know exaggerated. I don't know i trust that. They'll get to the bottom of it. And that's not i don't i i wanna be clear here. I don't think that the front office saying oh you support trump. We're not signing you. I don't think that's what's going on. I don't think it's that surface level. It's more what kind of a person are you and we're talking about front office. That used to work for the indians. They know they know. Exactly what kind of person trevor. Bauer is so. They're pushing for it. If these rumors are true and they are making a push for trevor bauer. I trust that more than i trust what. He is selling us on twitter. I agree greg plans. The character on liner. No here's our. There's power outage like an three so personally. If long as the blue jays players are fine with whatever the hell is going on and clearly they are getting some News period on there is getting blue. Jays fans herb Fans that players interested. If that's going on i'm strange. Okay with it. Like i said especially if some of these other things we were talking about the shetland him being on top of any of these things. We've been talking about either. One of them could be very exciting for this team. I do agree that maybe the one year thing doesn't exactly make a ton of sense if you don't make one of those other pieces right just because it's too much of a push right now for that one year deal. It needs to be at least two for me. If i make another move may be the difference between this front office knowing him already and some other people being a flyer might be the difference in that second year. Maybe i don't know but work get everything you need to know. Get it done. Figure something out to improve this team and he would be a massive improvement have tandem with rio at the top this rotation. Yeah no i. I agree in luck. All always remain skeptic There's been a lot on twitter. Thrown around. And i agree with you adam i think hopefully now that trump or the terminator whatever you wanna call is defeated. I hope that mega culture dies rather quickly. I hope that cultish following goes away even though it doesn't seem like it will for at least a year or two who knows Launched by we all just get along all this along with every people do get along regardless of their political differences. It's when you're an asshole you deserve called out for being an asshole won't be actually is one then. Look i'll pass. But if there's some debate on if adrian rachel luebbe Some people suggested they've been together romantically which i'm not sure that seems a little odd. But he has a woman agent at very male dominated. field I think that kind of starts to remove the stain from his character about going after women on twitter. A little bit maybe out. I'm still a skeptic about that And look moving forward bluejays. Twitter is as divided. Trevor bauer as biden and trump. Really want him. Or you really don't want him. There really is no middle ground between the two and if you are in the middle ground either side is advocating for you to come to my side or my side. So it's difficult line to balance. That really will be curious to see. I just say the fact that more players are advocating for a shows at all. It matters what we want to win but b. maybe some of the rumors or the allegations of not being the best teammate. Or a little overblown. It's possible. I mean jealous a really fun episode. Much like our aaron auto discussion back in february If things are getting real things are heating up The more this keeps on happening more. We can delay our offseason review our season in reviews to the point we don't even revealing. We could just go straight in the previews you never know. We'll probably get to some reviews in a little bit but between now and then make sure you like subscribe on every single podcast channel. Where you can find. 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Black Friday And The Jaeger Foundation

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Black Friday And The Jaeger Foundation

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Job Cave are so We might have some energy that There's GONNA be some new commercials starting for the snap music hour and a couple of weeks. Probably after New Year's Day is when we'll start that but those sponsors will only be on the podcast. They will not be here on. This luxury will not through six five and we're not endorsed seen seen unless we say we used right. So how's everybody doing tonight. Well that sounds fun. I'll I won't whatever you're having good well I didn't things don't ruin good. Bourbon dog says that's not ruin. Wouldn't good Bourbon when you mix it with coke and hookers ass. I I got talk from experience or anything but just say it okay. God Up to be better. Listening aren't listened like I'll have a PISS test next month. That's going to happen anyway. In order quite ext you all right. So how does your our weekly. Oh not too bad A little tired towards the end of the week due to the radiothon and whatnot but No it was a good week is actually a pretty decent week was kind of busy work at times. And you know we've got some snow so it was cool cool prostitution some snow in two inches of melt and then come back and we'll fuck yourself. We've got five degrees one night. You know cold temps thirty four right now supposed to be braiding no Monday forty five degrees again. So the global warming everyone is is talking about is up in Alaska. Not Out in New Hampshire. Pretty much I don't know grown ass man had something to say about that during pre show. Yeah you will probably hear podcast. This is that why you set me up. Oh I don't I don't say anybody up. I'll do that. Because because I'm looking at the temperature. In North Carolina it was like fifty at one point and then oink was like yeah. We've got like thirty four. The thirty five forty five minutes tomorrow. What are we living here? I do know the conversation we had with the yeager foundation. There at the end of the pre show is definitely going in the fucking patriotic John. Josh Josh it's definitely going on disclaimers listen to this right. That's the good thing about our Patriot members. They are the hard core listeners and they have yet to say one negative thing about any of the podcast if anything the only negative thing the DB six because he doesn't sit still do some advice. Give it time I should like Miranda rights the right inst- you see. That's a good thing about not telling you guys that we use ratio for patriots. Because you say whatever the fuck you all right as we're going live that's going in the Patriot on podcasts. And then we go live and you. I can't say no no don't do that back. It's like it's like Eddie Eddie Murphy. It's like Eddie Murphy and having kids and then somebody saying hey this is your child in trying to deny it but it looks just like him and it start talking about it and then he comes to poo poo train and then and then Your your remember that stand up special I remember it. 'cause he was in the red fucking outfit Vic that became popular after that anyway frosty. How is your wake-up Alaska? I can take commentary and say Ditto but a lot of work and sleep back from vacation all that fun stuff just got back work now. It wasn't that great or anything exciting was another week. You should've said a lot of work. Not a lot of snow took we had nothing to do is just the usual sitting around doing nothing all the time. Oh Jesus is currently you guys. I think Bo is the one that said something to six. I posted a picture of like how much snow we got and we just got a little bit of snow. We are on the way no. It's like eight inches of snow. She's like we just got a little bath now. I I eighty four. We might a little bit where we're the book is a little bit. It looks like fucking North Pole at your house out the window in Santa Santa would have been at home in New Hampshire. Jesus Christ well you know that's how it goes. The horses enjoyed it. They were fucking running around in their field like they were not. That's if people want to do what personal lousier light. I'm like just listened to the podcast diesel and DB six our book and personal life like literally talking on a weekly basis. That's it there is no script that is not acting. You could not pay them to act that good that is real life Holy Shit. Oh God I would ask ankle how her week was but she's already told us. Nothing's going on at the farm and she's he's in school two days a week. I mean it's not true. It's a little bit just a couple of tips that's it maybe a couple of pubic hairs here and there. That's all the snow. We got too much dangerous. That's all oh it's no just today again not enough to be classified as crabs pukes. That's how much clinical measurement. It's it's funny it's funny. It's funny that Ono because I was about to ask her how her week was since you guys are going to be on the entire show terrific. That's all I'm GONNA say because I don't want a sell us the back right now over that I guarantee I guarantee you. She's like redder than fucking fire. Jerk right now trying to say anything to happen this week because she knows that we're gonNA fucking lay into her work we're going to it worked for Working School with the nation. That's just about it. I work retail for my normal job and so this week has then just insane. Oh so so you've been grown ass. Men can talk about Black Friday the Dow quake wait. Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait. Do I have to do this I I had this. I know but I can do it because we were all laughing. Gosh let me drinking I love you guys. Is John and Josh. Since you guys are literally setting each other's laps. How was your week sitting in my lap just so in fact we can't we can't we can't see you so we don't know five bucks a minute? The boys are we good We've been working hard setting up an office in my basement on a little more organized run of the foundation. Cool been busy with death outside of of doing the foundation I am a Of firefighter as well so busy this week. Collecting toys and stuff for families for the holidays coming up and China organize that so doing good zsa cool turnkey calls surprisingly this year. We didn't have any I can't I'll leave it alone. I'll leave it wall blow. I'll leave everything. Hey Hey hey already got black. Friday GROWNUP GROWN ASS man. How was your trip down to Florida and your week in Florida for? Yeah so religion Ohana great or Grebo I. I was kind of weird. 'cause I've never been this warm in it be like a Christmas stuff like Kinda Kinda Weird Last last last time we met I I was driving from North Carolina to Florida And now I'm here. We've we've been on packing everything and Yeah this the trying to get my bearings for found out where the liquor store was so that was a plus. That's what I don't think our I was like all right Google. There's NO ABC store. Just look at the aren't great within walking distance. You know five miles or less and Yeah it's pretty cool. Got Nice weather. I'm good yes that's it I'm I'm pretty much done now. Are Super Jealous Right now. It's okay I'll just send you pictures. I I The Pacific so you. You're GonNa get what you get served so we're afraid of it. Also that tally measure snow. Amit Shah Independent. I am an independent travel agent And then it's going to be my main source of income for the next few months up there you go. You might want to go anywhere. Yeah good does it take money I want. I want to leave fucking earth. Can you do that. Can you arrange that travel for me. Yes we should you all I mean. Hey let's talk that you must. Maybe he can give us a a tesla. Be a tesla truck and see goes a fucking one way trip to Mars man. Come on anyway. We need to go to break we. I need to fucking go to break okay. We need to stop this Milwaukee and go to brain cocoa to break. We'll come back on the other side of the break. We've got the yeager foundation. Asian Got Josh. John Caley got almost said yeager again for Keighley. You should be galea. I was going to name you after the anyway. We're going to break. We'll come back. We'll talk them. See what the fuck they're here for. Because why the hell would you wanna be on barracks talk on BBC. Radio DOT net. We'll be back right after this the shooter's Express Charlotte's number one destination for all personal defense. Sport instruction recreational shooting supplies. 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Radio is simply made for you the listeners because we try to listen to everything you saying we try to implement that some way shape form right here on radio done at wd. The this is back so we are live right now. It is December seventh two thousand nineteen. Or you're listening to was on podcast after that because you know that's how records work but anyway I'm Boehner. Would we have frosty grown ass. motherfucker man got Google and from the foundation. We got Jonathan Josh in Keighley. Jonathan Josh Kelly. How're you doing tonight doing fantastic? I'm doing amazing better than I deserve. Having a great time laughing at everyone good good good now first off on anything fucking unholy the green earth blue water whatever. Why are you here on barrack style tonight? Where is your career Buchan background? And what is the ager foundation summed up in your mission statement. Bouts all start out they answer your first question. Why are we here? You're on barrack stock in. That's that's because our really had nothing else to do. That's a good answer. That's when I started out was to Noge of and so My Name's John on the president of the foundation in our mission statement. It can be summed up in just a few words and that's our whole goal is to get service dogs in the hands of veterans and first responders with as little red tape as possible co out a little bit about my background. I was a greenside corn with the marines for four years. I did a tour in Iraq and loved every minute of it. Yeah that was so enthusiastic. I log every fucking minute of it. I swear this is no Sarka anyway. Next we lost track of how many more punches I did the treasurer and board member here with the foundation. Serve been kind of at John Siber- cincy get go when he came to me about a year ago with the idea kind of looking for somebody to help support him. My background is I was with the Marine Station Camp Pendleton for three years I ended up tearing my coo. Ma'am seal my knee and was medically discharged just before deployment back in two thousand eleven. Where you that fucking board that you had to do all that really you had to really really you know I said I? They put me in the cage. They wouldn't let me out my weapon clean yet. Jesus I don't know is that it's been four years man. Keep missing the same. What do you do about it? Go back and clean it again. Look here's Twenty Bucks Twenty Bucks. It's twenty bucks. I four light scope or it gets the hose again dollar. Should've the low quicker quicker than the so Kaley wrote. Okay so I guess it's my turn I'm Kelly I'm at John. Remember how but he and I ended up. He made an impact on K.. Lose life that is. That's that's awesome. No Jannine I met And we put together a charity. A concert for the Child Abuse Council in his right hand woman that and He decided into the yeager foundation and he wanted me to come on board to do the event coordinating so I'm basically in charge of getting these events together getting bands. It's are you know doing the talking to people in what is it rubbing elbows right. 'cause I am writing this down right now. Thanks fought me on this job description for you. Right Wow al-Din so for those that are listening on a mobile device or you're out and about and you can't get to a computer or you can't get into chat for whatever reason go to the yeager foundation dot org that's J. E. G. E. R. Foundation Dot Org the foundation dot org again. Dan Go and check them out. Now you guys said that you basically want to take the red tape between Veterans and first responders and their service dogs and take that away as much as possible. What is it that you do that takes take away so we have kind of unique For lack of a better term business model in what we do in that there are programs out there that that help get service. OCSTA- veterans You gotTA use their dog. You gotta use their trainers and they're really limited by the resources only the resources they have. We don't have those resources. We are simply a grant program. I'm a funding source and we will help you search out those trainers near you. We will help you search out those dogs near you whether they be rescues whether they be your own dog or or even from Roma Breeder if if that's the route you WanNa take and we will vet. The dogs will vet the trainers and we'll make sure that they are going to meet your needs. They're not going to take advantage of you. You were we want to be advocates for you guys as veterans and we we are basically were limited to the resources in in the country. Not just our own so in doing that. We we eliminate a lot of that waiting list of well. Yeah we we've got two hundred applicants here here well. Yeah we may have two hundred applicants. But they're also with two hundred trainers right now. You know right. So what made you guys want to do the first place. So I originally got a went on an endeavour to get my own service dog in his name is yeager and I. I went to all these programs in basically got shot down because I had already met with Yate met yeager in bonded with him in that bond is super super important and I already met with a trainer he was a local retired Air Airforce Canine Handler. And I wanted to stick with him as a trainer Inter I felt it was very important to to support that local veteran owned business so once I got those locked and I went to these programs and when hey can you guys out. We paid for this In that's where they told me you gotta use. Dogs are trainers. There's a two year waiting list and I was already at a point in my life where I knew I needed help in my life I needed that service and for someone to go. Okay yeah I know you need help but we can help you in two years. That's been enough in no veteran. Should ever have to hear that so I ended up raising the money myself for for yeager and working with that trainer he he was really good with working with me and came up with this idea of Basically creating a shirt and all the proceeds from salomet shirt with go for years training. And I said you you know that's a great idea. But why don't we take this a step further and make it into an organization where we can actually do this for other vets and he was all about it He's not my vice president and he's kind of pain in the ass but I love the guy so I'm stuck with him and he does good things for the foundation and I'm only talking shit because he couldn't be here today and has replacement. I'm sorry I'm not just to give our listeners. An idea. How many people have you helped so far since you guys have been up and running? How how long have you guys been up and running? So we've only had our nonprofit status for about eight months. We are extremely young nonprofit yet We have helped. We're in the process of helping. Probably four or five veterans right now. We have completely paid off. Our first veteran His name is Peter in he he came to us. He actually had a service dog previously but ended up having cancer and had to be put down and he was really struggling with not having a service dog anymore which that's a huge life? Change that that service. Dogs a lifeline for you you know into not have that anymore all of a sudden. It's it's jarring worried and so we wanted to do what we could to to replace that service dog For lack of a better term and and get him back where he needed to be mentally so that he could cope and get his everyday life So with our help and with the help of An Organization called Ninety two for twenty two which is another local nonprofit around us We were able to not only Pay off his dog because he took out a personal loan for that dog of fifteen hundred dollars ninety nine hundred for twenty two completely paid off that loan so that he wouldn't have to be in debt and we were able to raise enough money to pay for the training so he is at a complete zero balance and it doesn't have to worry about the money aspect in focus on getting back into living his life in Kobe. Who now you did mention that you did raise funds and that you did have the other nonprofit helping you guys to pay off that one Is that how you guys are going to financially do this. Is there any other ways that you are financially really being able to go about this. What's the idea there because I know our listeners and and others are probably going to ask that same question yeah absolutely so obviously Because we're not ridiculously dumb. We take direct donations through pay pal But we also have An online store. Four and the prophets from from those go into the foundation. You can use Amazon Smile and choose us as your charity of choice and a portion of your proceeds from your purchases. Come to glass and then last but not least the whole reason I brought Kalian board is because we try to do An event at least once a month locally to to try to raise money as well and those have been very successful in. That's where we raise the majority of our money. So Cool Kelly. Would you like to tell us a little bit about some of those events that you either. You're done or are planning on doing that. You can't talk about publicly. Oh I am just coming on board with this whole thing so the events that have been and that happened John and The other board members have already done those They did a benefit for four one of our veterans and we actually raised a decent amount of money. How we're almost done raising money for Jordan are John? We rented a little over three grand for him just on that one tonight. We have a pool tournament coming up this up. Not this upcoming weekend is it. Come on fourteen. It is and then we are also running or we're going to be doing a benefit at one of our local bars in Skagen and and that is when you get a no. That's simple tournament that's just going to be a benefit and then we've got some other things that were thinking about doing. I've got some reached that I need to deal and get a hold of some local businesses have got a lot of work to catch up right now But we've got some pretty exciting ideas this upcoming year. There's a big battle of the begins in the Spring Summertime Kuan and even like a Christmas dinner towards the end of the year and we just we got a a lot of good ideas definitely sounds exciting. Not GonNA lie. I know we are working in the works of getting music. Therapy Show that's going to be video the dot as well as audio and. That would be great if we could be a part of that some way with the battle of the bands. That would be awesome. Because we know people I I got my hand the pot with few people out that I'll talk to you guys about that But you guys said that you do help. First responders and veterans correct. Yes now. Is there a difference when you help. First responders versus veterans. Is there a different process. As far as I'm assuming zooming in you know what that does as far as the application process or anything like that I mean. The application process for grain is a little bit different With with veterans. Obviously we require a detour. Fourteen and see that you're honorably discharged waste with first responders. We really just look at look for proof of employment in those fields and One of the things we really also look for in our application process in. And if you're not there we help you get there is is that you're you're also getting therapy and helping yourself because the service DOT can only do so much for you. It's really important that you're you're you're also helping yourself and not just putting the full weight of your PTSD or whatever it is. It may be putting the full weight of that on that off because that that's not really fair either. You know right as a team in that service dock shouldn't have to carry the entire brunt of everything okay now speaking about veteran specifically because that is most of our listenership although although we do have first responders and you can go into that a little bit of detail like as as well. But what if you're not ready to the va but you do like say in fact has some type of disability not whether it's physical mental or something else. Is there a process that you can help them to get a service dog and helps them with that as well still or or. How does that work absolutely? We offer guidance through the process. Because let's face it. That process is no easy Mesa. Get through We know the great people to call we. We have resources with Vso's and stuff like that that we can go to and just talk to them and in find out what we need to do to get them where they need to be to have that disability rating cool cool so if if like I said they're not rated you. Can Dan help that veteran through the A or something like that. Is that pretty much aga. So our grant isn't really a way that we really deny or approve anybody in more to for us to know where you are and what your situation is Obviously hey there's there's GonNa be reasons that we're not going to help you. Like not being a veteran or first responder but our main goal is to do it. We need to to do to get you where you need to be. Okay so going back to the dog or the puppy for the veteran or the first responder. Do you actually help by by the dog or puppy. Or how do you go about doing that for that Individual we do if they have a dog in mind and and all all they need is the funding. We will our trainer. Our Vice President Will look into that dog and make sure that it can meet the needs of the veteran and that it it look at its past and and look at its behaviors and everything and obviously there's going to be a lot of stuff that we can. We can work through But I mean if if if you have a high strung dog and you have a high strung veteran you don't WanNa put them together so you want to make sure that they're those behaviors are GonNa go to Mesh well So that's his job and once all that once we go through that process if all they need is to be paid we cut a check to that company or to that rescue center or whatever it is and and get that dog on their hands. Co Cool dill now. What type of training or education do you expect the handlers? In this case you know the veteran hundred are you able to help them with that aspect. If need be or do you just go by what their needs are as far as you know what the service dog task ask our. How does that? How do you go about that? So what are the things we really push As I said earlier was that you guys are their team the handler and the dog or team in. It's not just something where you can train the dog give it to the handler of okay there you go. There's there's a service dog you. They have to learn each other and they have to learn to work with each other. And that's where you could ineffective service dog team because that's what it is. People look at people look at them as well. You have a service dog. No I have a service dog and I'm me but we're a team we're one and that's really important so we do PTSD dog really coined the term. Best that cooperative training and we've kind of adopted that term as well. We really push for that cooperative training right. Yeah I did fail to mention that these guys were on the service dog show with. PTSD Joaquin tight and SCAB. A few weeks ago please please. He's pleased listened to that episode. Wonderful Episode Not GonNa Lie. It's been so long ago edited. Show many fucking shows since then. They're not forgotten ninety nine percent of it so I had to go back to day and go back over website in order to get this interview ready but I did remember a few things. Now you guys are based out of Michigan correct. We are But we're not looking at stay in Michigan. We WanNA BE National Service. We want to have a database that covers the entire nation of trainers and dogs. We we were helping a woman out in Oregon right now so we will not turn people away. They're not local okay because that that was my next question I know a lot of people would probably go there. Hit your contact us and see you guys are at. What is what does it? Which Lake Michigan is a a Michigan one of the fucking lakes of Michigan? That's all our Michigan. I just remember something Lake Michigan again on the address but anyway you know they would go there and see that address or that state would be like a a probably not going to be able to help so you do help people that are out of state Out of county etc.. We absolutely and one thing I also want to say is that we're in this for the right reasons. We're not in this for fame gene. We're not in this to to make sure we're the ones that help you guys. If we know of an organization closer to you that we feel and we'll contact them and we if we find out that they can help if you faster than we can we will by all means get you into that organization so that you can get the help you need as quickly as possible or in this for the veterans. Were in miss to get them what they need. We're not in this for ourselves. That's wonderful girl and ask man are you there. I guess he probably get a Little Nano phone mute. So I didn't see that stupid or dumber. I was getting ready to say. Did you finally get to go over their website. Today they had of beautiful song on there. I loved it. What questions do you have for John? Josh or Kaley nothing the The explanation that will explanation that they gave just now actually pretty good. I went over Mexico looking. Go right now and no. It is actually a pretty legit operation. My question would still be. I think you already act as though what. What else can we do that? Help them being bitter in his will. And I love dogs and I don't know if when I would do you know l.. If anything happened to mine but how can we just help markers this. This is one of those programs that I've seen work and Also like our page like our facebook page. Sharon gave us that exposure and because the more people that know about us the more people we're willing to donate more income. We have more veterans. We can help in the shorter that wait period is absolutely yep we just need our name out there right now now. We need to get recognized. Get the name recognized so that is something that people know just able to get those donations wins. And if you're just not barracks talk here on Radio Dot net. We're talking to the yeager foundation. We Got Josh. John Kelly from there speaking with us you can go to the foundation dot Org right now you can also click on how you can help and they had a few different ways you can donate directly to them. You can buy their funniest shirts because they're so cute they're funny or you can shop at smile. Amazon Dot Com and just use as your charity if the farm is your style but no no no. No you're cool. I want to help you guys. That's why we brought you guys on. That's what we do here at duty radio. A lot of people were like. Well I I get to. The farm already was spotted Amazon. Okay this month gets the farm to another nonprofit the next month go back to the farm or whatever you want to see that right exactly. It doesn't have to be for the rest of your life till death do his part but it does help us all when you do that. It it it's not a light Eh. Time but fifteen people by eighty dollars read the stuff. One point five percent of that of each purchase. You do the fucking math and then another fifteen people people. It all adds up at the end of the day. Do you have anything to like to ask them to say. Well I think he already stole the question I had because I Went Back and I listened to the interview that Y'all did with PTSD dog in Obviously load already mentioning located there in Michigan. But are you looking the opening up obviously in the near future because like I said you guys just got started with the opening up Say Other chapters in states like Alaska or Texas where there is more Per capita veterans. For say you know that are looking for this type of service so our goal is to get a chapter in every state and that way as we get bigger we can kinda lessen the load on on our main chapter up here on us But we could also those states will know better than we will. What's what's around them for resources? And that way they have an actual will location. They can go to in their state to go to for help and in really just have a better idea of what's available in their area. No I totally get that because I let one of the things I also did pick up a interviews something. I think you already touched on before. Is You know you go into some of these external places where they want you to use their services their training their dogs the bond between you know that servicemember or that you know Firemen whoever needs to the dog. That's that's a kinship that shouldn't be forced upon either one of well. You know what I'm saying and I think you guys on a little bit during that interview with dog as well. Yeah yeah that's a that's another thing that I believe you guys touched on during his show is that. PTSD depression physical DECI disabilities. Anything like that. It's not just veterans. That have these problems so the aliens and your first responders have those as well and for you guys to extend this to first responders is just in my is beautiful awful frosty. Do you have anything that you'd like to ask or say to all these three wonderful beautiful sexy people you hit the one big question. The head is expanding but keep up the good work and wish you guys the best at all of this. It's a great service. You guys are providing providing. Thank you appreciate it. I would like to talk a little bit about the a first responder aspect because please do so the the veterans in the situations that they go through the typical situation they go through that that harbor those ptsd symptoms First responders go through very similar situations. They they see a lot of trauma they see a lot of death and destruction in that really eats at you and if you think about it in some ways I mean it's absolutely not a competition but in some ways first responders have it even worse because if you look at that Ren's who have been deployed and they come home they they don't have to drive through that area every day whereas a firefighter a police officer an EMT. You're driving to work or to Burger King. And can you pass a an intersection. You're like man I I can smell. That seemed right here at this intersection. And it just hits you and you gotta drive through that every we day and a lot of us the majority of us as veterans. We've done for eight years of service you know not all of us are career whereas this but even the career Wednesday twenty years whereas these first responders they've been a police officer firefighter for forty years and that's forty years worth of a ship that's weigh in on their chest. You know by the end of that. It's it's a lot you spoke about intersections and stuff like that. I've got a friend. He came back from Iraq Right around the time Me and girl men did and he could not could not for almost three years. Go under a bridge age or underpass because of what he done and why he seen he could not do it like he had to avoid in plan out these long trips to a store. That was maybe five minutes away because he couldn't go under a five yard long bridge like that sad magin how much worse that would have been for him if he had to drive under the actual over past that that situation happen exactly exactly exactly so one of the one of our goals as at the ager foundation is in realizing this and realizing this need. We also realized that the veteran in first first responder community can really help each other and being a support structure for each other because of those similarities in. There's never really been a reason out there or an opportunity. Unity for the community to come together and we WANNA be that bridge. I love it. I absolutely fucking a google are you there S.. I'm here. Would you like to ask these wonderful individuals anything or say anything. I have two questions the one. Why did you name your dog? GAIGER HIS ASS. I actually got got him from a retired master. Sergeant who helped us found found the foundation itself Yeager was originally trained for protection protection work but he was too nice. They Saudis make a great service dog and eat duds. Does he's phenomenal. That's great it. He just kept trying to kiss. I can't keep says who keeps farting. You know sharing me it. Sounds like someone keeps farting. I heard yeah heard vape but well that sounds like far talk TV six. I heard I heard this sucker Bait. Go I'm sorry no it's It's a weird noise that it's a trust me estimate. It's not like your scanner. Josh John Kelly. Do any of you want to say anything to our listeners. On how they can contact you how they can anything in. This is your time guys. The big thing is you know the our facebook page is a good way to get a hold of us. There's five of us that are always monitoring that Somebody can get back to relatively quickly Through the website itself There's a Information on there are you can put your name your e mail. How you heard about the What we can do for you what you're looking for Things like that and there's always somebody that's going to get back Jewish quick as possible and there's contact information for I believe John's information is on the foundation FACEBOOK page okay. I'll just look out yet your foundation on facebook or you can go to their website. The Foundation Dot Org. Scroll down to the bottom. There's a little biddy fucking microscopic facebook symbol down at the bottom above Geico Foundation store that you can click on. You can go directly there if you can't to find him on facebook by typing their name. 'CAUSE facebook you know lovely social media assholes though gets a gold star for the day for finding that dude. You went over there over the earlier today and I I had to find out what your L. was face but because sometimes it's different than the actual title name is of the page and it won't tag it if you just do the title main at the time so I go over there. And it's fucking long asked number seven three seven three three three five zero six six three seven two nine zero literally right. So that was impressive that was the actual x number. That's the actual fucking number. So I clicked on so I should just be able to do. Facebook.com backslash Yeager Foundation. Oh you can now. But that's not what you're fucking Eurorail says on your website so I actually go to your website up to your facebook page in it forever. 'cause face but was doing a fucking back end update I guess and I was like Oh my God. It's not GonNa Lewd so that you are eligible about Semicolon semicolon. And nothing really. So I say like fifteen minutes waiting for the damn thing to load and finally at yeager foundation I was like well. That was simple fucking enough. What the type that in? But it didn't come when I typed in the yeager foundation. That's the thing on. Your website is the Yego Foundation Dot Org so as facebook about that because when I originally got the domain I tried to do just yet your foundation and it was has already taken which kills. Well it's like it's like the DVD farm you don't want to know what the fucking dv Farm facebook is because it's facebook dot com forward slash DB dot org charts explaining that to your fucking listeners. Like how does that work. It's not a went to they just type. It in rich told her it gets the hose again. But Yeah I love all of which you guys are doing I know dog personally endorses you. He even said it in chat he told me himself personally endorses you. So if he's endorsing you I gotTa Yeah to say Becky guys one hundred percent. Sure that these Wonderful people that are sitting here on zoom that make me wants Bash my head against a computer and break it. Ah or behind you here. Well six he makes you break your head no comment nice talking of ice. I hear in the background fucking take. Hey Hey hey what are we will leave it right. FUCKING STICKS MAKES ME WANNA burn down my brand new fucking room. That's like he makes me on a do. Yeah I know a guy that can put that out for you wherever you go. Well we also got we also allender. We also got to that pistol and airplanes during the night so I mean hey if they can piss on airplanes they can put out a fire. I oh yeah please go to the Yeager Foundation Dot Org. It's like Yeager meister except the foundation dot dot org. Not Your Org doc or the fuck your young sweetie and beyond orm go to the to the yeager foundation dot org check out every bit of their website. It's really clean. It's really neat It looks beautiful. I'm I'm sure that As soon as Kaley gets on the ball of your show have you some events up there too. WHAT GATT they have their? They have their grant applications on their Now you have a business application there as well. Do you WanNa talk about that really quick. Yes so that's basically if you own a business or you're part of a business yes and you want to get involved in helping US sponsoring whatever you can set up a recurring donations. You can sponsor a service dog or really anything you can send donation items for our silent auction items that are events it anything you're willing to do to help. Were willing to take in. Put it into action. I swear that shirt ever made a toy tickets last week. It changes you man changed so that was the original shirt that that started this whole thing. Just so you know started. What thing started the whole foundation? Oh okay shirt that was started. What can hooker blow night? He's been he's been dreaming about that Hooker. looker in the Hennessy off the coconut. Don't worry about it is seen. He's he's good Bourbon. It's been. It's Bourbon Thursday night now. He changes the Bourbon whiskey. Hey Hey rubber vodka and now always what's Kenniston right right grown ass man. Let me do what I want to mix it all together. I think I think he just wants me to die instantly. That's GONNA have a stroke juice. Look it up is you gotta pull kool-aid in their wait. Wait wait wait wait wait wait hold up moving Lord Nope Nope Nope Kaley brought it up. She said Juggle GS. We've got to go to our color. Commentator is that true technically yes. The airport uses still jungle juice to Airports can you elaborate toilet. Because that's that's Oh you gotta dump all your drinks before you get on the plane or whatever it is airplane bottles. You GotTa do a better than that. It's called airplane. Yeah right when people actually drink that no no okay. It's forbidden. I was GONNA say. Aw Aw at that point at least of your worries I'd tell you guys get your coffee mugs and everything damn see if you guys would get the DV radio we can have this fucking merchandise. You ask those anyway. Go to the Gates Foundation Dot Org Mountain. Follow them yet. You Dick what do oh but I love my button. You guys got a clip. That oh that's going to be in the answer next year flick. Me Worry the fuck you to fuck you too can cross the radio button. Why can frosty are the two? That right down Saints throughout the year for me now so that I can make a quick intro next year so That's going to be in there because these in writing it down throughout the year because they don't have to wait until the years up listen to all the God bless sir. I had to go through all the year prior soundbites soundbites from all fifty. Two shows two hours each. They need to be like saks. Couple of words they done it but every night there are like dude man. Do you know how hard it is to sit here and listen and write down the time and the title and the date like I do done. uh-huh myself for the past three years. Yes yes I do do it. Oh my God who has a bird. Oh I didn't think that was Huey Scott. What we've heard your you can? I don't know I mean where was the last todd was on at this hour cases. been going upstairs with stakes. When he goes to bed and then at this this time he throws her down from from the bedroom today he came downstairs to get ice cream? Angels left her here. I'm like okay. Well that I got a bird got a very decent Macaire. Yeah she she has her own little. Okay let me get us out. Please go to the Gates Foundation. Asian dot ORG check out their entire website. Check out their store and click on catalogue so you can see the baby onesie the beach towel. The beanies their cases foles their t shirts all of it check it all out and and then follow them on facebook and if you want a business and you can help sponsor them fucking do it. Do It do to Steve do a there. We go she done it. She went there. She you fucking went there. She pulled okay to. What are you smoking over there? That's not Smoking East drinking. That's what they all say it. is they all blame. 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Go Bar Hopping and not get a dui out out same time excuse jousting and fortunately he was charged with felony the unauthorized use of a movable of immovable after driving the motorized shopping cart over half a mile away from one bar to another his bond was set at twenty five hundred dollars so he got the Dui Anyway No we got a felony unauthorized use of immovable via. That's a hell of a battery by the way half Mile. I know I know NI awake way. Ah Update on the PODCAST. He has now sending me all the files up to December twenty fourth and and and the second interview that you will hear. Monday is with mark six James. They had a great song about his book. Which Joel found inspiring and a great read for all those in business networking in the industry mentor ship and of course hunting? Please check out his company website for more details when you hear the show. Sorry Google but I had to get that it in before I forgot it it O K I love you. No biggie So yeah he went bar hopping a a shopping cart. I I think he should get an achievement award that at least at least an R.. com pretty impressive alive now well this one was sent in by Gr or gir- or girling read. Because because he won't tell me what G. A. R. Stands for A Florida dog put a car into reverse and drove it encircles for nearly an hour. I'm wondering hearing how he got his foot on. The gas pedal Agnes cabinet shop. Guys should race. I make an another left turn. I mean I know it's difficult to put mine like I have to push a button to put my car in reverse and eh hold the button down while I moved year. Shift to see this. This is why this is why everybody should learn to draw the fucking stickshift. All right you ain't got to worry about. No Oh fucking buttons you got to collect you press you. Press the break you'll find are put in burst and then you let your foot off the brake press. The gas went off the clutch and go. It's it's it that he can do that too. Og Dog hopped into his owner's car. Running car kicked it in reverse drove in circles for an hour and smashed a neighbor's mailbox before safely exiting the vehicle. I wish I could have been there to see I really they do. The dog was a black lab. retriever learned the park from their own. ident for an hour just sit there. Bouma lawn chairs exit. I don't even want to into that. Why were you and your dog out? Why why did you leave your dog? Outside which car one for an hour. What's going on buddy now? We're having some personal time. Liv Malone I don't know the dog's owner didn't want his name out there vista home home but he said he had left his car running in the street when the dog changed gears and installed driving for almost an hour thanksgiving. I bet he'd make a great service service. Dogs even derived you wherever he was aware guys are laughing drive drunk he was a lab. And you guys were laughing at me. He couldn't learn to drive a stick shift. Lousy very fucking all right. Look so there you go. There's your second vehicle story The next one is for owning owning and he knows which one this is per rhenium Sunning is lease law Hannity Wellness influencers. Swear by I like to call it tending getting your taint tanning thing. Anybody his fiancee. I mean because Gosh no I ended up getting frostbite. It was just a little snow. What are you crying about new? You called saluting the Sun. I'm pretty sure they should change it to that. One influence there who goes those Bhai Raw of Earth said in thirty seconds of sunlight on your butthole. You will receive more energy from this electric node than you would would an entire day outside with your clothes on you know. I've seen this trending on twitter a few days ago. I was just like really this. This is what you guys are. You're making trend fucking sunshine up your fucking Butthole your asshole you're anal cavity your rectum really where the sun does shine in Hong Kong. Your favorite video says probably and rob of earth has also posted a step by step son worship exercise pulled from the the tau of sexology L. E. G. The book of Infinite Wisdom Downward Dog. Is that thirty seconds like a recommended time because I feel like I feel like in their early. Any water you might get burned on the crevices I I mean. Does that go for people. That have Harry assholes too. I mean are they going to get over over this release the toxins. I don't know. Oh but one. California claims but chugging vitamin D not only help her sleep better but hopes to regularly her hormones. How bad it she said for the past few weeks I have been treated Sunning my bum and Yoni into my daily rising routine? Namie one thing that you can do that involves chugging. That's good for you. I don't know I mean Steve Gun it and look where a guy him I mean. The one of the most famous namespace is on the planet. So but let me ask you. You'll never have to if you you get drunk. You can never blow on Breathalyzer. I think. That's a myth. I don't know but that's one thing breath away my my Glenn Dr Special Cops my question to Google. Who is the guy that started this? It's Yanni is that what you said no raw raw raw of of the raw the earth. I just heard Guy Earth home person doing this pretty sure note while. I'm pretty sure the guy that started this. If if I'm not mistaken he's like seventy eighty years old not long ago he done an interview with somebody and Joe Rogan's even talked about this guy. He swears up and down. There are women that will pay millions of dollars for his firm. Because he's Dat you know great and I don't know about you guys but if you watch his yoga videos which Joe Rogan even suit on his own podcast this day when he done this segment this is one like sexual molesting old motherfucker who runs a fucking Yoga Studio and get spayed. He like is it big room. That's it that's it. That's it the old dude with chrome in Yoga. Yeah yeah he's creepy isn't he. He's he's worse than R Kelly. Well not only that Loyd. That dude looks like leather stretched across a fucking rock and he says that women will pay millions of dollars spent dude where and what I wanNA talk about that for a second. You're the organizer. Did you write that down a sperm. Dr Dollars. Moving along young medical professionals are far from convinced that this but sunbathing actually has any merit breath. Of course it's eastern medicine at this point right wing but tanning is GonNa get you as a couple of days in the cell. Where do it is true? I get your neighbors to pay for a new fence going there next door. You came from midnight. Frosty gold deck the Gold Coast deckhand of pleads guilty to negligence over drunken I. I can't any fucking talk right now. Her name is hand Lee. raid. She she admitted to drinking alcohol engaging in intercourse on the bow of the eighty foot crystal. Blue is skippered Jeremy. Jj Pa- got as disappear turning the charter vessel from Brisbane. The Gold Coast last year. I don't even know why this is too big deal. They were having sex on a boat on a boat but were they in the public part of the boat or their own racism. Awesome Matt if they weren't they weren't in their private quarters. Then yeah that is illegal. It's fucking more on the Ballard. The boat okay. Hello as wing said the boat did collide with a moored yacht and hit an abrogation beacon out there to meet at one hundred forty thousand dollars in damage. Well there you go. That's why sex ex- we thought child support was bad. Oh Man Child support at this point not around a hundred and forty thousand dollars for a goddamn yacht at a navigational beacon news willing Joe Support early earlier this year. The captain of that same boat pleaded guilty to two counts of recklessly contravening his duty booty and was fined four thousand dollars and given a two year good behaviour bond. I don't even know what contravening means. What what what what? What meaning Google? Where do you even see that Google? It's in the story wear. I'm I'm not reading the whole story. Okay pair above word says where it has the headline for the next story. I just read it earlier this year. The captain play like guilty to two counts of recklessly contravening his duty and was fined. Four thousand dollars story contributing simply need all violate their. Ah I see it. Just put that because they gotta be fancy with then our show would be shorter. Yeah definitely like if you kid both know that. It's kind of like hitting a train if you try to deserve it. I mean. Let's be realistic. You know where it's GONNA lead contravening. Isn't that like to the contrary turn of correct me if I'm wrong college students out just because I'm going to school doesn't mean that I know all the words in the language girl Asman in here that claims he knows every word in the Merriam Webster Dictionary and apparently he didn't know that in pre show I was GONNA say he. It's not who answered the question. Yeah he's he's not even talking right now because probably drop this fall in the toilet bowl. That's great signal promoted for it moving right along So back in November's I covered the story about how Massachusetts had filed a bill to ban menthol cigarettes and end impose a seventy five percent excise tax on e cigarettes. Well rape before Thanksgiving the Senate. The Massachusetts Senate voted to approve this bill and then it went to Governor beakers desk and he has signed the bill so menthol cigarettes will be banned in Massachusetts. Starting June I twenty twenty and for all you vapors there's out there you're GONNA end up paying seventy five percent excise tax on vaping products if you buy a Massachusetts this able you're adblocker critique Dan you go fuck yourself mass live. There's reasonable has adblocker died. That's fucking assholes in their adblocker stops US making revenue. Well you know it helps me from getting pop-ups like I don't know. Porn spam can only handle so much porn on a day. I don't WanNa fucking Trojan on my damn sand to quit. That's great So that's that's that one then. There's this one that I found ray. Hey thanks giving. I have to say something about the menthol cigarettes. Though they're saying that that these flavors and stuff are the calls of people smoking what about. Oh I don't know in the early nineteen hundreds before Menthol was even a thing in cigarettes now because menthol cigarettes encourage children adjourn to smoke and Moyes. That's what I'm saying smoke. That's what I'm saying. Have started smoking if there weren't menthol cigarettes when they were teens. That's what I'm saying. What what about back before they You know made menthol cigarettes. What's what started? Then it's sure as fuck wasn't flavor and it was just glorified. Well I. Yeah I gotTa tell you I- cigarettes don't taste that good at the end of the day. I'M NOT GONNA lie but it keeps me from killing island a motherfucker all right about that. 'cause I'm GonNa say right now and grow man can attest to out to kill some motherfuckers in Iraq wreck if I had a couple of cigarettes maybe a dip once in a while. It's all about that I wouldn't because no fucking Newport menthol cigarettes I I I think you just want a conflict and that would really hurt. You are literally the bathroom right now aren't you. I was GONNA say I was wondering there's an echo a spokesman you can do it. I believe in you moving along grumpy in Cologne. The cosby go ahead I can. I can so see one of of our animals do this. Oh I see what I'm talking about. Now aren't farm animal get stuck stuck up in Barns Hayloft. It just happens to be a horse Daniel and if any of you guys know our horses Daniel and Ashland. Who would be crazy to do this? Yeah Daniel until it would be fucking heartbeat. That's all thought about you every day. This happened right right before Thanksgiving a farm animal with an unbridled ambition and South Carolina has given new meaning to the phrase. Get off. Your High Horse We somehow stall and climb into a Hayloft so the farm owner ended up calling the veterinarian They had to bring in heavy equipment and large animal. Veterinarians helped date the how the horse before it was lower to the ground on a makeshift platform. Because apparently the worst could not figure out how to go down the stairs after he went up the stairs pushed the worse over. You ever fall up the stairs. Oh man rescue workers still haven't figured out how the worst managed to climb a narrow set of stairs into the law of the hall was involved the Horse alone it. I mean I can tell them how we got out of it. I got drunk without horse. Bay You go tim him. He's a friendly guy. He's a friendly. Only horsing when he gets a little sauce. It's IT turns into a party so impressed me though. Is that you out. Drink the horse. Oh Man but yes I can see Daniel doing this and then our final story before this sound clip. I'll cover this one. I a piece of art was sold for one hundred. Twenty thousand dollars the Talaq. I can't even get one hundred twenty five dollars for a fucking Diorama and you're spinning one. Hundred No oh doubted Miami. Always in Florida isn't it. The artists said that he worked on the piece for a year. And all it is is a fucking banana taped to a wall with declan. I'm I'm looking at this banana out. Jonathan Rhonda Look like I I called Bullshit. God okay some this any worse or any better than the guy. In Japan who walked around down Japan for a year with a vacuum cleaner took everything he he got from the vacuum cleaner pressed into a brick and call that art. Is that dude that was. That's art this right here is fucking no no no no well. I'm like are you fucking in kidding me. I mean you'll pay twenty thousand dollars for a banana duct tape to a fucking wall. But I can't get him to buy a fucking Diorama for one hundred twenty five bucks that I made personally go fuck yourselves fucking New York art anyway so my question is my my second question now. WHO's the dumb ass? The the guy who take the fucking banana to a wall who paid one hundred twenty five thousand dollars the answer genius in years here with the guy that fucking wall too. So how much will we get if we take a pineapple little wall. Follow up a six or an exhibit take fruit to wall no the the next the next thing that will be there like an apple core eating. It's it because the artist got hungry and they wanted to show the existentialism some of hunger throughout the the planes in Fuck Sudan God and yeah all that we have left is a sound clip. which is freaking hilarious? Go Hippo all right I'll I'll start laughing after it's finished so wait until that. Start or mute it or what or Mu so if you start laughing during the clip you don't ruin the clip. No Shit Sherlock. I know it. He'll get steam IT S. Thank you know well. He hasn't some overnight in five minutes and come back and I'll do it again. That was the best. All you've been there you know. I just want to point out. They win still done kids. Who are you're pulling these kinds of Prague's and I'm just proud of that? I don't think it was some. Yeah I don't even think it was a kid. It was probably some like fifty six year old grandma. When I heard that I was Blake Omega here so get a half to play this on this show it? It got better and better every time I heard it. That's how much better like I could sit here and play that on a loom all fucking day and not. It's our yep that was definitely a the best thing ever. We'll I'll have to keep that on standby Bo. Oh I guess that's going to where you remember by next year there. Is there anything else in judging the news for this week. That is all the junk that I have this week. Okie he does. Not what will everybody knows what that means. That means that we get Dui Shits on the shout outs and sponsorships and then thank everybody that was with us tonight. So I'll start out shooters shooters express. Who is one of our sponsors nightcap? Productions is the other go to shooters express dot com if you live in the state of North Carolina. Don't worry you're GONNA be there for a trip if you're looking for reputable and inexpensive firearm store complete with a range of Belmont North Carolina and go into shooters express or you're gonNA shoot us. 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FWD Champions Day Review, Improving your Betting on US Racing & Rust under fire

The Final Furlong Podcast

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FWD Champions Day Review, Improving your Betting on US Racing & Rust under fire

"The BEPPO exchange moist effects more ways to win. Proud sponsors of the final furlough. Podcast THE FINAL FURLONG. Podcast boots you in association with that. The racist dot com complete with race caused stable tools and tips on top team. Visit the racist dot com racing leading website today. Oh thank you gene and welcome along to the fund in front of the PODCAST. I'm your host Emma's Kennedy. It is great to have you with us and hope that you are fit. Well happy and healthy as we look back on actual real life racing. This is all a bit weird by the way because for the first time ever on actually looking at Peter for two thousand we've moved to zoom so from New York City from Athas Dot Com guy sports racing Mr Peter Foreign Sal. Welcome back to the friend. Thank you for having me it is. It is funny actually seeing other faces of people on the Bob. We don't usually do this on on my show or this show but it's a kind of a fun change of pace. Everyone else in the world is using zoom. Why shouldn't we yeah? We decided we'd finally just get in on the bandwagon and the man who is leading the way on this And who is a regular on sky? Sports racing has been crushing it on at the races dot com. It's the Dawn Barry. Faulkner you welcome back roaring baseball caps by the way we pay the cap and I saw you. Once I got my choice of dunk. Strove is cap my Breeders Cup Cap Pizza because he scores with all the pro. Baseball team called the New York. Mets and I'm I'm wearing my Philadelphia. Phillies will choose trumping out so I appreciate the phillies and mets just to show them trolling all the way from the UK so UK in America. Lots to talk about in this edition of this show. We have the Arkansas Darby to look ahead to which is effectively in place of the Kentucky. Derby We do have another antepost. Bet The dawn Barry Faulkner although he's gone a little bit lukewarm on it but we still WanNa talk about it and there's also the small night or of a coup a coup d'etat is happening in the UK as we speak in British racing. We'll get into all of that as well but first of all. Let's take a back at sky. Sports racing's coverage of Hong Kong as we had real group one racing at the weekend and a stunning success in the first group on the Chairman's Sprint prize as Mr stunning pardon the Pun. was a fourth winter in a row for Congress a brilliant ride by the way but the obvious disappointments here. Barry were the big guns going into a Therio seem to bleed and seem to bleed quite badly. You could almost see the red as the commentator saying it as he was being pulled up Things didn't go to plan for him at old and hot King Prawn. Who We've been quite keen on on the podcast in the lead up to it but Barry. Mr Stunning a stunning success. There's a couple of things I want to get into in terms of how the track unfolded at all. But what did you make this race in? How glad were you to have group one racing back on our screens interesting? That you say the the favorite was well placed all the way through the ideal condition to go win. The Wrexham knew something was wrong when he backed up so badly. the the Whole team wrong rooms was just more readily disappoint by But this spilling victim an eight-year-old counting But it's been hemisphere will turn eight down there and to let first of all this the seven times but even so he's a bit of an old boy together don't turned out to be a blanket. Finish and it wasn't a great. It was like a typical North Northern Sprint handicap. In another day you'll get from Finnish. Peter What Yourself. What was your take on it. I do think At least from the way that I saw the race covered going in it was a little bit more about who didn't show up and did in the aftermath but terrific training job. That's for sure. This is the worst who'd had some physical problems and they backed off and we're able to bring him to this in in good stead. It sounded like one other little kids that I took away was. It sounded like this was originally Mench potentially to be the Swan Song and whenever whenever I hear that there's a plan for race to be A horses last race and then they reverse field and try to come back and continue in campaign after that. It makes me a little bit. Skeptical going forward but certainly an amazing amazing brown on the night and got the job done in. Gaca money. Yeah on a lot of money. So it's a very independent surface trainer previously been assistance and John Morin John size to have an atheist dot com on Thursday cars Tiki from Mauritius originally wrote in South Africa went to Hong Kong and overseas thousand thirteen under really good market share of morning big time as well and obviously curse was having huge success on the day. The next group one then was at nine. Am Airtime and all the talk going into. It was about John Moore. He's being forced into retirement. Because them's the rules over and Hong Kong and a wiki to discuss that in a second with two lines as well. Beauty Generation was going for his third successive win in the F. wd champions mile and all this was an absolute cracker of a Finnish Berry. They were literally neck and neck fairplay to the commentator calling it because I couldn't they were. They were very thrilling race. When you've got no crowd. I think there's probably a fear that when we're watching racing and it's behind closed that there will be a lack of an atmosphere not a bit of it. This was a real thrilling race and unfortunately for John Moore went the way of Casper. Frowns and Vincent Low but Fantastic success for southern legend who just managed to get his head down on the line in the right time it would look like. He's GonNa Swing by generation effort to go away and win by all the susie upside. Pg generation went again and he was absolute classic case of Hedge Hedge Down Offer Star Airway and busy generations the race but yet again another Old-timer getting the job done. He's also a you know going going. You know in the Southern Hemisphere. I group one for me. The Junkie He was the one who came over and spend some time with mark. Johnson who will come up and make trump no doubts She wanted me scarce right over. Here taito pop in August eighteen in a ten furlong handicap a whole school x rays. That's some damn good knowledge to be haven't as well by the way from from the Don Berry What did you make of the race in in total like those personal stories are very interesting particularly in terms of Of the Jockey John. Moores last attempt winning a group one in in Hong Kong. That's you know. He will still retire a legend just because he didn't win on the day doesn't mean anything but the race itself No international representation for obvious reasons. No Crystal Sumio. No Roy Moore but still thrilling race. Why Kuku may not have performed in the manner that we would have liked him to and may have gone to doors that we weren't expecting to win it but it was still a absolute throwing race. The story around there saying we'll retiring average generation time for me in in in the context which is pitching. It wasn't more International Invulnerable Collins. Writing there and I'm twenty. Hamilton and French Shawki was there and say that to be the bigger who've come from all over the world to ride there along with the locals You know John Mariah Mariah from Brazil and that per se. I don't fail to give me. Yes we do indeed but before we move onto that we'll get your take on beat the champions Mile beauty generation. He would definitely have been up there in terms of the best in the world for quite some time albeit that we didn't see him. In Europe it would have been nice to have a race and royal ascot Take on particular challenges in American idiot. Go for the Breeders Cup Mile. But that's not how connections chose to do things He's GonNa Find Race for Zach. Pardon who was. Having a day to forget things will get better in the next race. But your take on the F. wd champions mile. I thought this was a case of doing everything but win. And losing absolutely nothing in defeat when I'm evaluating form I I look at knows losses different than other losses. Sometimes I mean I. I don't think of them as losses at all. I mean this is really down. I thought that was a great point about looking like an GonNa go down by half length and reengaging and I really think beauty generations as good as ever honestly I just. They came up against one. Who is better on the day and there's a horseback the deserves a reputation as one of the best in the world. And I'm very excited to see whatever happens next. I think the case of Oh three road loss in numbers terms the horses. Good as ever. It seems that way to be fair. And look if you're only beaten a short head if you're literally beaten in a photofinishing a group one then you're you're doing okay Just to briefly touch on Vincent. Oh before we move on from this race you were talking about the fact that he been with Mark Johnston. He'd obviously one on his debut in the UK as well back at Haydock Hong Kong's been good to him any fees. It's it's an excellent piece on our relations on sky sports racing Martin Kelly going round trip home call describing inclusive and. He's clearly very articulate. Young man rides very well and we were actually very refrigerated specimen. Yeah he should be indeed fantastic stuff and more group one success. I'm sure on the way for Vincent. Lo that was his first one as part was having a nightmare but exultant came to the rescue. Tuzon with Suppose old money our money Should have been the winner of this race. We would have been fairly disappointed if he wasn't But that being said he does have the Irish connection. We did talk about it on Thursday. And I'd be very keen for you to delve into this one. I as well Barry because when you look back at he's Irish formed from Calvert. You're looking back at some really really talented horses that he was up against your best friend. Who SORT OF SAID BEHIND? Churchill in the two thousand dollars two thousand seventeen on a number of Goes up about and say shipped out to Hong Kong and he's now a six year old so I can't remember many occasions when you had a tree of group one races With a curve become is twenty two bridging seven years old so boys convention like. I'd really speaking on that day. There was one of the trainers was one of the trainers was talking about as well about the fact that it's you know everyone's getting older and a you know how these are going to cope with it but the joints are a little bit sore in the morning and he didn't seem to have any issue with at all to be fair. He used to be known as Irish correspondent. Back in those days For exact. Pardon this must have been a huge relief speeder because it was not his day at all and and there could have been some criticism. Potentially I bought I if it hadn't gone well. In addition look for a moment like he was in danger. Going down to stablemate Maybe got a little bit hooked up early and had just an hang on but it doesn't matter when you get to the line whatever happened with stablemate whether horse wasn't good enough or I got a little bit goofy I really did. There was a moment in the stretch. Where it was GONNA BE? It would resolve go a different way but in the end. That's all forgotten. And and he's got something to his hat on here. He was quite near the hosted. We quite bodily in the stretch and Interestingly the Excel for Zach curtain not a full full House Waldegrave tell one group ones on but he picked up by winning. The magic man ends as jumping jockey. Joe Gets that but even had a twist in the tale as well in the weeks leading up to it as going in was telling us about the vicious battle in the steward's room the vicious battle with the starter. The two boys getting stuck into each other. I think it's just going to be pure relief. Relievers Act to win the group. One particular scene is it was a very expensive defeat last time out as well overall Barry. What did you make of Champions Day? Event? The point you made about being no cousin and you generally wash these races With he used in terms of the excitement of the race it certainly displayed The mile was a track. I think they look more flat and They did little I I get that but then almost interesting thought he was going to get there. He gave every indication he wasn't going to get Say it was a little more of a a dole out Tony complaining of the exact three religion race crews now which was a damn good result for him in fairness It's it was strange in that I didn't feel as though it was lacking atmosphere yet. There's no crowd there and the figures on the betting turnover absolutely extraordinary Sharon woo was tweeting. This champions day held behind closed doors. The total betting turnover in Hong Kong dollars was one point four five five billion that roughly translates to fifteen fourteen point five million pounds sterling last year. The turnover was a full crowd was one point. Four nine billion so it went up. It was behind closed doors and it went up and the interesting thing berry is that it's a parimutuel. It's tote betting but it went up so this proves because one of the points the grim cutting and was very very keen to mention on the podcast because we had a few production meetings before doing the show and he was really keen to mention the fact. That what we see on on Sunday. And what we've seen on Sunday is essentially a glimpse into the future of British Irish and French racing. That eight is mostly going to be behind closed doors when the three of us will get to meet up on a racecourse with final. Podcast fans. Really is anybody's guess. It's anybody's guess when listeners. And those are all going to be able to be at a racecourse together so this was a glimpse into the future and to see people. Walking around with facemasks to see the presenters using facemasks. You just to that pretty quickly. It's still weird. But the atmosphere there was still an atmosphere there because the racing was so brilliant. And that should give us some positivity because it does mean that even though there's a lot of controversy in the UK right now with what came out over the weekend racing is very well placed to be one of the first sports to come back. I was trying to think social distancing configured about because you know shake steam lines of code. Let me five minutes. So there's no shows but quickest public when tension quick to get buck you know you'd think about cricket Sunday Social Cricket Pitch Tennis no of the net and you can you can you but you know it is well. I think he was We'll organize in in Ireland before the shutdown came along and they showed the bunches. Nothing some of the suggestions are being made about how it might be reintroduced as always. The devil will be in the detail but I think the whole search news particularly well Pete for an international nine q watching from stateside. What did you make of Hong Kong behind closed doors? The use of face masks the lack of of a crowd and those figures Peter one point five billion Hong Kong dollars like eight win. The turnover went up. That's extraordinary and all these things will be different here because yeah there's a tote but it's not really. We don't really have the Pari mutual system that French racing in Hong Kong in American racing. Half its betting turnover. It's the betting exchanges. It's it's bookmakers but it still has to give you encouragement but at the sport going forward. Yeah for me having racing never go away here throughout all this it was a little bit familiar At least in terms of seeing the masks on the empty grandstanded they'll be able to get very excited about what's going on on the course. I mean the fact of the matter is in the USA for quite some time. Now outside and a handful of meeks race tracks are essentially in their essence they teach studios because of the way the betting dollar worked in the USA fuel. The industry obviously something similar going on in Hong Kong. It's obviously different in the UK and Ireland in a way. That's GonNa make the resumption of racing a little bit trickier in economic terms. But just in general. I didn't talk generally at all about Hong Kong. Reagan all I WANNA do is praising its so it's amazing the way centralization. The control the of the quantity and the pool size of the field that data available. It's like nothing else in the world and I think every other jurisdiction can learn things from Hong Kong whether the cleverness of that six a bet that they do that you know. I prefer times a million to the terrible jackpot. Pick six the way I can say evolve but I want to say de ball and in the US. There's so many things that can be picked up from Hong Kong racing for jurisdictions around the world that could make better everywhere and I love the opportunity to have a reason to to follow it on. It's not on it good times in the USA. Nah You're either looking at waking up at six am or or staying up till six am basically So that's not great but I mean I am if you told me today. I'm not allowed to write or the abundant anymore. I only can make my living from gambling. One of the first things I'd do would be to find a way to reserve those time blocks from six to eleven. Am on Wednesday morning and from twelve. Forty five five in the morning Saturday. Night into Sunday Maycom Conga focus. I think it's a tremendous product that I I look forward to looking out more in the future. That's a bold bold endorsements of Hong Kong While it's been very very good to John. More there is the negative standpoint of they have this system in place where they make trainers retire at age. Seventy I'm not entirely certain how comfortable I am with this But Hey it's not my jurisdiction and it's not my country so I don't really have a say in the matter. And they've only got two racecourses and along with that while gray music explaining the bloodstock industry to now there. It's a slow process. But they're developing is. It's it's an interesting system that they have in place John's not giving up. He's relocating to Sydney. But for a guy who's done so much for racing in Hong Kong to be told. Here's your gold watch bye-bye how do you feel about that? I don't like it. I mean that would not be one of the things I like about Hong Kong. I mean I don't know everything behind it and I know it's a very limited environment with certain amount of trainers it. If I know I'm commenting on something that I don't fully understand but just the general idea of being able to be forced to retire at an age where you still have you know more than a decade possibly much more than a decade of productivity. Feel very good to me. I'll play that much but I do know there are some other backers. Yeah there would be other factors at play Barry but can you imagine turning around to mark Prescott and saying sorry thank you for your service mark. Here's your gold watching him. Bugger off please. That know let you do that. You chose you chose the perfect person to highlight miss situation. Is the rules in place. For many years how Gerardo. What was the reason behind it and make? It doesn't doesn't sit right with me. I'm far closer to the Seventy seven and you gentlemen. I know it's the relates. The only thing that I can think is working for Barry. That hasn't we'll pay stripping and me sweater sweater ages you at least five years. Yeah you gotta you gotTa go down the route of what Pete and I are doing where where a funky t shirt like Peter. Where where a NASA official NASA said? Hey listen urinalysis on sky. Sports racing is dench. Good do either of you know that phrase dench credentials. I'm just throwing my hand near. Dench is what the kids are now saying as good an references. Judi dench connection. Guess Yep so. Judi dench such a legend that the kids are GonNa say. Oh that's dench so I pick my leg Roy. This is this is one hundred. I tweeted that to to Leona mayor the other day. She tweeted me back with like a load of laughing. Emoticons as if to say how the hell do you know that old man? You're all the rest of US are in big trouble for the once. You hit thirty. It's like Oh dear. Thirty is the new fifty. Though isn't it. That's what I'm saying. Let's keep on going. Wants those nightclubs reopen. It's going to be locking central and what I mean by that is the sitting in front of the TV drinking hot chocolate and taking it easy. Those days are done. They're done When you look at the sheduled for the weekends racing you see the Kentucky Derby the Kentucky Oaks and then you realize no It is nice dream though but we'll be in September we can look forward to that Want to chat to you about the implications of New York as well with that one pete in a few minutes time But first of all we do have a replacement. That's the Arkansas Darby. Now the problem with the Arkansas Darby Berry is it's I'm sure we're going to be fantastic grace but when we say that well. I say that it's a like the track is run by the folks who they discovered deliverance. Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding. In that it's all quarter and no one's going to see it so you have gone through the floor. Peter just fell off the bed. You have gone through the form and potentially identified a winner. Impossibly horse that you'd be interested in for the Kentucky Derby itself so for that reason we will touch on it but it's a bit frustrating. How they do things there. Oaklawn over the last truck in the country's introduce exotic bets and still conservative a very big so It's an interesting where Bill Clinton's mother used to go hot springs in in Arkansas along time attendee. Now you say. We put a fantastic racist weekend. We haven't we've got two good races The base has been split into two beings. Happening some and rush. We ended up with a couple of short price favorites both framed by a buffet. We Go Charlatan but first division of what looks much weaker division on Sunday Doll. Leaving them off now A Chill Teaching Weasels Double Lynn. You Five to two best. What would those just about? She'll buy gophers but it just disappointing. That Charlotte who's had to mega wins in big cities. And they didn't live with us also think Could have been really tested in a strong. You'd have a fantastic awesome show debbie. It's putting together a as more race The horse I'm interested in is on the someday One the Tampa Bay that there are some kingdom. Oh lupita fifty two point would beat. Milan say I'd say that husband and I just looked at it hosting not look down to the speed chart here myself of the very comparison. Very speech thing is Time full by and they're Quebec's o-on the top in in in every one those divisions With the hype numbers. Komo twenty to twenty five to one shot. And I knew it was around six thrown at eleven to eight in the process. He's He's twenty five the Abbey now. I'm the chicken kebabs. Can you may not stay fashionable train. A Butt kicking around kitchen. You thought went on something and not spending as well. One thing to point out is it. You're absolutely right Barry about the Saturday and Sunday but it's not on the next card. It's just they're happening In divide across Midnight English time. So you can. I think it goes goes race. Eleven and thirteen And the re inbetween them a point of view more interesting. I won't spend too much time to my handicapping opinion on Arkansas Derby racist because I will I on the brink out our our Pat. Then talk eating t shirt because as you surmise. I MEAN CHARLOTTE. Looks odds-on in the first division and I mean there are reasons for take on the doll and this'll be very interesting to see what happens in the in the second division of the Arkansas Derby because visually the race flat I was incredibly impressive but a of sharp players have surmise. That he was in part the beneficiary of a good rail that day. He also has some other serious competition for the lead in here. I can definitely see your case for GMO. I think Keyamo is probably on the tote GonNa be something much closer to three two one seven two two so if there's five and six to one available that's not bad at all. I am tempted by the bathroom. Double in those two but in the recent between the oaklawn handicap. I just have to give a shoutout to horse. Where I know has been pointed to this spot now. Granted the unlucky things happen for connection. This race has gotten much much tougher. The cause of the back of their isn't racing and so many other places so a horse like improbable for Baffert. Who would have probably been pointed someplace else ends up in the spot obviously very very top class horse and it makes this assignment much tougher but I was seeing warriors charge at some bookies as high as fourteen to one that's crazy. Warriors charges a serious runner and a major wing candidate in this race. Shouldn't be anything more than four or five to one so if you can find him at a big number I would recommend take a look into that and if you wanted to stand up late anyway and you wanted to token wager and they don't WanNa follow your creative idea. They can do my chuck eating weasel double and play the two African each lack of the warriors charge. I can see is fifteen point again. I have to stress the fact that because oaklawn is backwater. We can't see this on sky for one Berry Berry and are just both like hand over mouth giggling trying not to let it all out. People ask someday but I can't be I can't be of course you can hear you can hear Peter on the sister show to the final four gas. The in the money Blair's podcasts. Theory me but you know if if you can get a bed on great fair-play Anyway. I'm not going to ignore a fifteen point. Oh shot from Peter Foreign Sal. I can't help but notice a can't help increase in one place. Twelve generally okay all right. I can't help but notice that Tacitus the big talking horse last year that we were all over for the Kentucky Derby. He's there things haven't really gone to plan for him. They took him to Saudi Arabia than they were going for. May Dan and of course that then all fell apart. What kind of a season do you think you'll have is a four year old going forward? Well I loved him in the Dubai Race. I thought the Saudi race would set him up perfectly but I think he kinda want every inch of quarter. I look if if they go really fast which they might it could maybe bring his stamina into play especially at the day where wide closing runs are working at Oaklawn and we'd do feedback from time to time but my best guess in is famous name. Depress cushions price wise plan. I always love when he has a long shutout plan like when he was you know laid out to run so well and Dubai adult like Ma when he has to call audibles nearly as much and I this may be be too sharp and he is a very interesting down the line potentially or race like the Breeders Cup classic especially if he can come into that off some decent efforts. But maybe you know not good setups and then we can get him as an each way double digit. You know fifteen one type force in a race like the Breeders Cup. Classic would not rule this out having a big day. He's always shown the talent but his act has gotten a little bit frustrating in the past and an. I'm not I'm not buying on okay. Saturday mail so just in case of need it it may be there re acclimatising him and because that was a lot of traveling that he had to do and in the end really for nothing. I'm trying to get a price on task. All tacitus on the better exchange forty point zero for the classic Emerson steamed to the Cup. The model the days when you see other really ridiculously strong cases and the clubbing stairs could Norman and pick up the pace in the end. They've gone now. You get many more sensible place patients in the faucet so it doesn't really play into this expensive touch this which is dominant staying on Costner. Guest the horses better now not going as early as they were when the mindless now off at the jet mile used to be in mccomb racist calendar because guarantee a strong face. Kentucky Derby and the Kentucky. Derby don't always get a strong pace. The Giacomo type punishing eliminated the sprinters. The advent of the point system Barry mandated. Exactly what you were. Just saying. In the old days you'd get stretch out sprinters taken their shot and then it was a terrible thing for the back they terrible. It was a wonderful forty challenge but a jock to have you know point given having to decide when to make his move and a lot of times they'd get too excited. They moved to early rationale down. And you'd get you well that the point here was monarchic is but that also would have led to. What happened with Giacomo for sure with the fleet Alex meeting too soon that year nowadays in both the classic and the Derby you get more sensible patients I think they become more formal. The best horse typically typically winch on dirt horse but plenty of speed but they can make their own luck like that. It makes the jockey and horses job that much easier. All that said forty is probably a little bit too big especially when you think about an each way terms for for Kathy disbursed like the Classic Just I trust bill not implicitly. If he's still in training going ahead with the horse that's probably the race thinking about and that's that's not a bad he's now is actually playing back waters. Talk when it's nuts. Not everyone's got enough force but Gulfstream some some maidens Nathan. Well this is special. This lost wouldn't have been here in New York getting ready for the Taylor. Belmont meet and then go to your favorite location our Toga Saratoga Baby Just in terms of the Kentucky Derby itself started to touch on this because I know this is something that both of you wanted to talk about. That's why we really focused on Oaklawn at the weekend because it's essentially it's taken that spot. It's it's moved in And it's there we can't see it but anyway that's all right that's fine P we were talking about fields last year. Tis The law heads the betting currently with most firms. Charlotte's we've talked about in the dial we've talked about. Is there as well? So Barry having gone through the form you have already had been in this race but who is your current pick right now at the prices for the Kentucky Derby in September. I'm on authentic. Who Else On on the show earlier in the year and he came back and won the south leaping I think he's very thing in the licencees. He's currently Could be forty feet. I sent him Say necessarily that The shock they should be the Kentucky Derby up so it's now on the first in September so it could tie mean one day we on here. Same so schedule. We'll actually on December twenty seven today. If hitting normal schedule. Now we would know beginning excited at all about anything that's happened between now and the Debbie under normal scheduling. And now you're saying to us. Let's get excited about a race. Is taking place way out there on the mobile scheduling? It's an interesting show because you know you think about those have mentioned patriot. Wanaka was okay. Which one of these pods about which horses would have been suit in by the Derby being put back to two September in that field year I can't she was earlier than looking was Tis now? Just now think he got his maiden broke his maiden in a full the week before the Derby and then just improve improve him The giants coach and in November and it was basically September October September. When he was really showing fish a real deal would have been the ideal candidate. Now now. Don't forget about means by now. We may not have seen the Derby winner if we've gone which is now so. I think we've got those things in mind when deeply excited about what might happen. Been successful if I just switched this to our site of the Atlantic. That very much applies here as well because I was going through the form for the Darby the other day and the amount of beautifully bred horses who've either one of the all weather or state on really nicely on debut and ran very well and then you start to think about horses. That really weren't in the conversation when we were doing the flat preview at the start of that season who then emerged as a major derby contender. Maybe they won't maybe they didn't but the fact is that you could have had bet on that horse and then traderjoes. There's an awful lot like that. Darby market is very very open for something to come from. Learfield and there's a loss of forces from the field in the UK Harland and indeed from friends who could just emerging the scene and with now the current state of play seems to be that once racing gets the go-ahead. The plan is for the Darby and the oaks to be run on the same day at epsom. Epsom has public land and not entirely. Sure how that's going to work. Yeah Yeah so how? That's going to be fully worked not entirely sure but anyway. This is the current plan that they've put in place When you look at that market you can be very drawn into mogul. You can be very drawn into a tube like Barry you. You're quite convinced that he's the the horse for that rice and I'm very interested in your take on that but when you start to go down through the fields you realize we don't know half of what's going on here because there's so many purple bred horses we haven't fully seen in expression yet and we also don't know what kind of trials we're going to have for that right now. I. I don't think I'd get very involved in the Mark I'm not. I'm not an insider so I don't know the ones they're catching Beijing and all that so I mean. It's a lot of thinking about the way Beijing will be emerge here is okay. Let's on the schedulers and then we can saw working back. And and what information can I have made me gives me the opportunity to make a sensible decision Josh Wink Wink has never been away with my best thing. It's always do I know. What can I analyze what I work out? That's the way I live on that frame of mind. Actually betting on American racing the more that we've talked about it on the final front on podcast more listeners. Have Been in touch with you individually and with Pete and with myself expand more on where your interest came from. And I'm not just saying this to engage in obsequious behavior Barry. I was a big Fan of yours long before. I got into racing broadcasting And I remember watching you in the old horribly Colored Orange at the races studio for stateside back in the day Which is why I remember the box. Boxing Berry Where did your interest in? Us racing come from. Why did you become so focused on American racing as opposed to what was there in front of you and you Arlen? Do you develop an edge on. Us racing but why did you hone in? On that. The I've always lived host twenty year olds. Perrin in the last one was interesting. I actually went to America. I was Was Actually Winston Posting Racetrack in Philadelphia pox. I went out but So I was the chief financial officer on the campaign by trade. I'm a degree in chemical engineering. As I know it was an acting as I'm now days But Anyway funnest guy. I'm the wrong on before it for the company we had in the states that said they'll trading co. Jack Quinn Which name is nothing to anyone but if you racing funding America head of this? Certain things bullets coach Jim Hill. James Quinn he writes us. I'm Jim An adult education psychology from UCLA and then started to educate and mushroom how to read American scouts now. I was fortunate to me Jim Puzzling Anyway. Jim What's the first Thanksgiving out there and going shopping and then we went racing together and he showed the differences soon way. Fullness laid out in American racing laid out on it. Just it was meat and drink you. You told her a guy loves number trump shaming knows what it did this afternoon just looking at various. And that's what I do all my life. So just to just expand. Barry has just shown a picture on zoom and it's basically a minefield of data. My brain almost exploded just looking at it. The Americas laid out those everybody was Greyhound Racing Line Forum so much one can sing. Wholesome House even swing in and out to form Very sermon which more dates to pick up on so from day to freak like me this is a i. I just wanted to get stuck in and and I did. I found a cache reasonably well on the so my my love and passion came then so when grace was built over here but the American gods as to where it would In the states they knew. I knew the differences in whatever so asked me if I do three months As a guest expert on the original Appalachia she's combing racing channel and those things and my Fremont's ended up being ten years along the way always i. I remember the racing channel. I remember we got it on on dodgy box and we'd be committed to watch it away and the cardboard studio and the very colorful logo of the racing as well did the Breeders Cup Wall Street's weeks after nine eleven Saying and if we remember those days and have the backdrop. We had the twin towers on the back. Don't turn Sir fold them and pin them together so they weren't miserable on about broadcast and he was like no he very removing dentist. Willow think about it in the country and Tis now win. Is it far America one but wait? This whole center was brilliant. Really his call on the Breeder's cup juvenile was exceptional as well and Johannesburg. Joe Harrisburg goes water now. A champion on two continents and the emotion as well. Dirk thank you very much One of my favorite commentators of all time It absolutely genius. The the pair speed figures. Were they something that really pushed you into this? Well Berry they still could be used when I was over that I go to know some pretty good handicap this Attracting peace keeping them on trip. Founding coming and there's one guy who I used to A. Y. Snuggie me she wants to French. Wants me. Tell us you often. You're listening. Good literally the calm. They go through and tell me how blessed with them he will love. It was absolute genius and being used fulltime said. Now I know put spas. He's and I So he would. He was my first and chip on decoupling especially signing bills like Chevron prolongation angle and also things about But there are so many different ways to get into the analysis of the sport if you live your numbers Doing not depending on somebody telling you folks. Won't you know not what I do this? So you're on sky sports racing. Pete is on sky sports racing for listeners to the podcast who wants to become more involved in betting on American racing. Because this is. It's there for us when we can do is And you can place your bets on the bet for exchange with with certain trucks as well in America. So with that in mind. What advice would you give in terms of how to focus in mind that data? What did you think is the Most Valuable Berry? I think the coach improved Ten fifteen years In the the speed fakeness. I'm pasting data BA available. I know that on the Europe calls they have Tie Time formerly speech. Violates means figure prisoner caused the splits on the way to the TIME FROM USA? Qods have similar approach to Turning what we're seeing into numbers that we cannot allies. So that's the the the the the biggest change I think in my case it just download the race caused missing towards being said on the stand. What bad what messages are telling us I just dug out a piece again. Selling the screen game that I wrote back in two thousand and five with the mighty foe. Quigley and. I'm trying to get older copy of the original versions. I want to update. It changes the heck of a lot. Who won't see me here. Still applies nine four elements. One was having a touch of class from the standing. The cost of races mccloskey under uptick attracts and that comes from my educational. Jim Jim Quinn. Washio figures nationally and look at the speed face. Make few everybody's GonNa same figures you've built so you interpret and how to give you an edge Angling to win this look specific angles Getting the bang for your book how to Manage Your Bank roll on the top of the charts because the one thing that you get him space. You don't get so much here. Absolutely superb race resolve Charles covering every aspect you can in some she see the race in your mind's eye just from looking at the race chalk the comments underneath and absolutely young in volleyball. If you WANNA pull up the the racing and the moment In Britain and Ireland with a great opportunity. You have the two hundred attracts On the weekend you can follow all the racing. It's not racing in some ways in New York coming back. The more rain comes by the Mesh User friendly it will become competitive. What is just coming because we're going to be essentially overwhelmed. Once it comes back. It's going to be coming at his left right and center when it does in a way. That's going to be great but in another way it can be overwhelming. Are you've a similar mindset Pete's berry or their other weapons in your arsenal barrel-a-day out pretty well for me? I at the first order. I'm always looking for a patient angle. I feel like that's where the market does a very good job of Affecting the horses that have the best bigger so while I'm very interested in everything. I do racing as often as I can. I pinned to a figure the great thing about finding a pay those are the times when the quote unquote slower horse will therefore be bigger. Price has a chance to a payment and the ones at the top of the market so I always start there but then you know the the Lenin whose are very similar to what Barry Describe. The speed figures are going to give you an opportunity to eliminate the horses that that don't have a chance and then the question of trying to figure out how those figures were earned sorta like Barry was saying about You know everyone has similar information. So it's how you interpret it. You can understand how the figures were earned through various lenses That's a chance to give you an edge. And then I do. Elevate the idea that subjective idea. What's known in the USA is tripping Catholic? Which is basically just watching all the videos and all the videos are available on the radio DOT COM for the American tracks. That are covered by at the raiders and to be able to watch the race. And come up with your own subjective assessment of okay. This race was better than it looked. Actually because they went really fast in this course attack the pace so he only finished fourth but he might have shown more ability than three horses but finished ahead of that. When you can make notes about things like data and then add the note today in line form And have that information when they come back running. There's a lot of good data providers Some of which let you put your own notes right into the performance live so the horse comes back and you can read your own sentence about what happened in that race. There's there's a lot of a lot of opportunity and I think it's a good point on now more than ever. I mean when you have been loving Betting Tampa and I've had friends coming out of the woodwork from the UK betting Tampa Bay downs. Because it's the only game in town and it is a better track and I mean those markets are just. I mean. I don't know how long it's a laugh? But they are awash in liquidity right now and so. I've been taking a look obviously in USA can't bet on Bet there but I can see the markets and advise people what to do and I'm see plenty of mispricing as you also in America racing you do and it's a dangerous game to play and change in a heartbeat like it did a Tampa On Sunday but you'll see times when certain parts of the tracker just not where you want to be or are tremendously advantage and you know what in the environment especially to be able to lay a favorite who's going to be nowhere near the early pace There's I think there's money to be made You know you have to pay attention. Different days track plays differently but there are great opportunities on American racing especially now just because of the numbers of just what they're betting on right now in random Tampa Bay rays that it had been. The liquidity is is quite frightening. It's it's really fascinating to see. Just how much interest there isn't it. And in a way. It's an endorsement of the sports But it's also great for for American racing dot all of these. You can't eyeballs are honest and it's an example of the fact that there is such a love for the sport as well that if you can't have British and Irish racing will. American racing is there and sky. Sports racing is showing it. And there's a fair market go off. You go to work as long as you're putting the work in and you're listening to Barry Faulkner and you're listening to Peter fornell learning and forming your own opinions One of the questions for you though. Is that comparison between you being state side? And so that means you've got to take part of mutuality prices and then looking at the market and going. Oh I could actually lock a price in there. How FRUSTRATING IS DASH? And when you're approaching that from the perspective betting on the toes you don't know what price are you gonNA end up with now? Sometimes you can get a pleasant surprise but obviously on the bed for Exchange. You can lock your price in. I'm so envious between the better pricing that you have over there being able to bet on the US stuff and the ability to get fixed odds. It's it's just. It's just worth so much now. Granted when the liquidity isn't you know if the liquidity isn't there it it can be very tricky but right now what's going on in American racing. It's just a I mean. It's just a massive opportunity and I wish I wish we had it in. I wish desperately we had in the US. I think the reason the exotic in culture Has emerged in the. Us is the cause of how difficult it is To you know you can't you can't be thinking you're getting five to on a horse and then only getting five that that's different. It'll it'll push off win betting forever so in this country other things have developed other ways of trying to compensate for that but I miss a terribly. I'd give anything to have the pricing and the fixed odds that bet fair forge in the UK on USA. I might not do anything but bet on horses at that was. It's funny because it's true. I know that to be true. I think it was about to break into Spandau Ballet Song. This quarantine might be going on a little bit too long. Oh dear oh nobody wants that by the way When he's we lost Barry we lost. Barry where do you go to many more? I hope not. He didn't because he aband- had no way. He has talk too long. No no don't do yourself down. It's never like that Tell me the impression could've been no. Nobody wants to totally fresh and Tell me this though my friend. He's actually just saying be back with you soon. So clearly something something of more importance is distracting the great and powerful Barry Faulkner right now When is a New York racing coming back and however things Obviously things are far more important there. How are things in in New York right now? Scary time obviously Barry Records nine eleven before you know we were here for that too and you know we think about that. We think about that a lot you know you. You live through that It's it's weird that we've ever had a time that in any way shape or form can come to it and you know this situation while much less acute in you know. So many ways is far worse and my brothers first responders in New York City Cop so I've gotten all the reports in the front lines and if anything I would say the the the stories you hear in the media aren't even reflecting how difficult time it's been forced. So it's it's been you know to be real for a moment. It's been incredibly horrible and Harrowing Time. But this is New York. You won't find many Tucker cities we're doing what we have to do. And we're obeying the protocols and and we've done great work I mean as bad as it's Ben The the sacrifices made over the course of the last nearly two months now are paying dividends and like Barium and data minded Guy Right. So I'm thinking there's all this and and looking at it every day and we're seeing the beginnings of positive effects and that's great and I have every confidence that we're going to to do the right things and get through it. Horse racing has been just a tremendous distraction and a great day to have. We'll talk in a bit probably about why I'm firmly in favour getting rationing back online. It's as possible. Us racing a very different the racing and other places in the world in that ninety ninety five percent of the people required. But I'm showing the afternoon. Are there in the morning anyway and have to be there to take care of the animals so. I think it's it's been great that it's kept on and I think it's been Donna shape matter and it's been just a tremendous mental boon asks for New York racing. You know obviously sensitive being in in a place like this but it feels to me. Why a late May early? June comeback date is realistic if the numbers continue on the trajectory they are now and it'll be behind closed doors and you know it might be behind closed doors for the rest of the year. I surprise me one bit but you know we. I'd sign up for June one right now. it's I have no inside information on this but they through. It feels like you could see a world in which the Belmont stakes may become the first of the triple crown races. Maybe they run a mile and a half. Maybe you cut that back and you have a mile and a quarter. Belmont state somewhere around fourth of July early early July Saturday situation. And you know we've already talked about what's going to happen with Derby first Saturday and Timbre I would assume behind closed doors and I would think then the preakness would book to slot in behind the Derby trying to create some distance between the Derby and the Breeders Cup So I think that's GonNa be the general shape of the American Classics Cal. Talyor but it's also check to change and it's all you know credit on on on hopefully things continuing to improve the way they have so far but it'll be basically got a New York racing back online. I think that'll be. That'll be a great circuit for people for a lot of listeners to follow they've gotta relationship with Bette Fair. It's on at a great time. Obviously you're raising. I think we'll be coming back around the same time but I hope that we teach some of the Games international viewership on the USA stuff. They're very very complimentary in both directions for us to be able to wake up in the morning and have all the great stuff we can have over. There ought to be able to have a happy hour dinnertime at a little bit after dinner USA racing. I'm hoping that in the you know all of society is going to be adjusting to New Paradigm. And you know. I think there's no doubt that more at home distracting fun at omb activities are going to be part of that. I hope that betting on USA racing is something that in the useful and distracting for international fans as well folks here in New York and across the US. Elegantly put man. I didn't realize that your brothers on the front line so hope he's safe and well and in doing well good good to hear and and his good form as possible I think in in the UK we kind of done here in Ireland. The The clap for the Hey Jesse to To support the frontline workers But always in the UK. It's it's an eight. Pm thing in New York doing that at seven PM in a believe it's unbelievable it's been awesome. It's I I look forward to it every night I get. I've been going the route. I get up the wooden spoon and I've got a nice little old school Penn Pot. I make any credible amount of noise in the window for and so I look forward to it every night my wife and my daughter and I we go out there and we do our our Hirsch Clapper cares we've got one of our neighbors an er doctor to upstairs neighbor. So we've got. We've got the somebody to get props to write the bill so we we make all kinds of noise because if we if we won the triple crown everyday that's amazing. It's it's nice that Aintree have donated ten thousand tickets to the NHL stuff for twenty twenty one and they're going to have any HSA at aintree. I think that's tastic. I would really like to see that implemented by horse racing Ireland as well and I think you know it's all very well and good. That were clapping now. But we need to remember well. They've done for his wants. All this clears up. Please God the other thing that fascinates me in all of this is what's going on in terms of certain industries. I don't know if you saw the interview Michael Leary on Sky News. During the week. He gave his first interview since the covered. Nineteen outbreak and he Ryanair getting hammered Refunds IN PROCESSING THEM. And he said we normally deal with one hundred thousand refunds in a month. They're currently dealing with TEN MILLION REFUNDS. And they've only got twenty five percent of their staff so of course they can't gets everybody they've said if you want the money back we will get to. You is just going to take time. But if you fly with his regular push it push it back but one of the interesting things that he also had a Reiko Richard Branson by the way he said. Oh the The Caribbean dwelling non-tax-paying Mr Brunson won his second goal. Would fleecing the British Taxpayer Bailout Virgin Atlantic No An and had something similar to say about Lufthansa as well who want ten billion from German state. And it's like he actually describes him as an airline who were like a crack cocaine addict just like desperate for another injection of money so that they can go around and buy up. Everybody else wants. This is all done but he was talking about an kind of relates to what he did taking sources at a training as as a businessman that he's saying that if the government gives them the okay to fly but they say that you've got to keep the middle seat free. They're not going to do it because as far as they're concerned that's not social distancing so they'll remain grounded and when you look at someone like Bob Iger being brought back by Disney as sort of the CEO. I'm using the inverted commas. He's not really Co. be kind of his back as SEO. Having stepped down earlier this year like Disney are hemorrhaging money and they've got big decisions to make but all of these films that were set to come out this year. That are all big budget movies. Not just with them but other studios all being pushed back into twenty twenty one and if massive film studios are doing that knowing how much money they're losing and realizing okay we've got choice but to wait till next year you have to wonder. What do they know that? We don't like none of us know like does it. Does it tweet from January seventeenth from the World Health Organization? Which said and I'm paraphrasing here but Information from studies conducted in China says that cove in nineteen is not transmitted person to person that was the World Health Organization in January of this year. Nobody knows what's going wrong. That's the thing people made a bad call. A lot of people made bad calls but no one knew what was going on. Nobody had a clue what's going on. And there's this study today that says out of hand that suggesting that the virus in amongst a group of people actually stays in the air so it is almost certain. That racing will come back. But it's very much going to be a case of at least for a few months it's going to be behind closed doors and if cinemas if films are being polled then they clearly don't think cinemas are gonna be open so we probably do have to accept the fact that it's going to be behind closed doors but the only good thing about it though is when you look at Hong Kong and you look at how successful that was when you look at the amount of turnover the was in the bedding. They're like the fact that it was up on last year wouldn't know attendees no crowd. That's insane The fact that the markets are still liquid for American racing. There's positivity that we can take in this and pardon the Pun and you either you adopt or you fail. So there's there's a lot of things that we can look forward to racing but we're going to need to make changes and embrace those changes as when they come along. I think that's very well put and we. You know we don't know what's going to happen. It's going to be different in different places to certainly in the USA. It's not you know I understand that at some point we're going to probably get to a point where the rules in New York. Don't have we're GONNA have to be a lot stricter obviously here that they're going to have to be in some other jurisdictions in the USA where racing takes place and that's something to consider you probably read the article about the hammer and the Dan I wish I could remember. I would say the author credit But it it basically describe the hammer being this period of of really lowering the boom on the curb and then you get to a point where okay. It's time to start. You know trying to resume some normal activity and you do that for a little bit. But then you know you you see a spike somewhere and you have to go back and try to you know through contact tracing are intact. You're out figure out what's going on. And little by little little by little you try to get back to some idea of normalcy and I mean Radi racing's GonNa be dancing the dance just like everybody else. would be my We'll be back. Yeah and obviously it's going to be different depending on putting on where you are in the world and where you are in a country like USA Obviously everybody wants to be. I mean you know you can probably tell from the way I talk about this. I mean there's to me there's no lower form of life right now the and the Kovin Denier Oh my God I'm extremely You know I extremely know how real this at the same time. I upset the people the point of view that within reason and within what safe we have to do what we can do to get some sort of economic reality so the second and third order effect of these things are you know. Don't don't compound the problem all the more. So I'm I'm very sympathetic to people the idea of. Hey how can we get things going but we gotta do it in a way that that safe so we don't make out waved to like one you know you can look at? Americans see the protests that are going on and and read these articles and stuff and social media from from covert deniers. And all of this. And it's incredibly irresponsible. But you could look at that and think oh well. I don't know anybody like that. A guy got arrested in my town today because he stepped out of line in the supermarket where there is social distancing and he started screaming and roaring at the people behind the counter and they were saying we wobble no. You can't do this and it's all a hoax it's nonsense hoax dreaming and roaring at them and they had to call the guards in the guards around very quickly and it turns out the guy has covered nineteen. He's actually positive and he strolling around like stop so many things that if they were screenplay you'd say this is junk no matter could never happen so implausible that so and so would act this way and yet we're seeing it day after that it's unbelievable from welcome back. Barry Faulkner everyone just ten minutes so I'm assuming you win the talk about. Us Yes we were talking about. The current situation in New York and One New York could could be brought back a quick summary Off. I was basically saying that. I think that racing in New York and around the country should be coming back relatively quickly behind closed doors and I was talking about how maybe there are some places in the country. Not New York that might want to experiment with Try to do a little bit more than that. Maybe having some sort of spectator situation but is it. It's GonNa be it's GonNa be a crazy dance over the next You know basically until we have a vaccine to figure out how can reintroduce sport in a way that is that is so. You've you've read the article then because we'll we'll go onto the UK I sent you the article earlier own. Peter There's a coup d'etat happening right now in the UK A lot of people are reacting to this in different ways But let's try some it up as quickly as we can show. There's an article in the Guardian about this. It emerged in the Telegraph over the weekend. That people aren't exactly enamoured. Certain people with Nick rusts. Who is the chief executive of the HA? He announced in January that he was going to be stepping down but that he would see out the year and be involved in picking his successor. Race Beckett rose an email which said. It's clear that Nick is looking after his future. In this instance but this future's not ours and that's according to the Telegraph After this mark. Johnston weighed in. He's already made some comments as well but he morrison has had he say and I have to have to say. I have a lot of respect for all three men but Huey Morrison said. Nicholas should have gone when he resigned. Lame Duck leaders never work. They're positioning themselves. Look good so they can get another job. They're not going to be brave and then does a terrible vacuum within that organization. Everyone below him is now terrified of making a mistake possibly because they're positioning themselves to take his job now. Mark Johnson has just recovered from covered in one thousand nine and he's been having say on this as well. The fact is that. Bj Did make the decision to suspend racing when they did without government intervention. It's currently illegal to compete and have sports in the UK. It's illegal in Ireland. There have been a radical new laws introduced the people who are getting arrested for breaching the two two kilometer limit from your home. What the Hell is nick? Ross supposed to do. I don't get this like I. I understand frustration. I UNDERSTAND. I want racing back. I want racing back more than more than anybody. I know the trainers under pressure. I know the jockeys under pressure. What IS NICK? Right exactly supposed to do here berry. I agree sympathy the situation fun so I know him quite well He's a thoroughly this guy Hardworking passionate about whole Schlitz and unaccept- the general comments about Named up but I really don't think that applies in this case specific in not predict the movements finds himself in. There's been coming today. The length of time which is not unusual in role us I watched the chief executives to disappear. They'll know funding in place Nick knows what's required to hear the jumpers as much as anyone. He's also got a board and the committee structure Nathan Sports buddies have elaborate in fine stroke to Kimi Wong where you've got owners trainers jockeys basically vested interests who believe they can do the job better than him but only she do it my way. And it's the the dichotomy democracy dictatorship dot cost me. I called in my time that time. Also want you to Fact Democratically and do the will of the people a new music type and wish everyone you do as well pro from from day one It would say I would say that but not many. It's not sure it just lost my insane We've heard other things saying it. Kinda ring to don't understand this well base. He can't live in. Its own little bubble his palm wine society and I'll face because except when it does if we don't aware of how society views us as a as a ratings then we're we're on on the Saudi Thinks is the whole facing the future. All not be decided by people like those who are passionate and mom's fault. It could be started by people on interested most disabilities interested because they just not on there is get on the horizon by making states and Up Coming back too soon would be an absolute excreting disaster sports. I think nick with his team the doing a cracking job. It's out getting with the detail. The devil is always in the detail on these now all due respect to to train us on dictatorships they operate they th that that businesses. What they say goes on. It's very necessary. I'm making your stay on. Is Much easier to do that when trying to keep a huge Ray Interested parties copy with the way you move the Organization for Falls so I think that Cited we will return in a strong savings account. Be Talking about the on an oaks on the same day you know needs most most by she. Backside I say and actually takes actually takes the able people in the gang Chang Been. The organization is employees and also within within the quickies. All the organizations as these up China's nice. He's involved in. This was being done. Currently it's not happy with their representatives go through Cranston they will think outside the pissing him and they said Oh absolutely particularly on this show A Pete I know you're caught for time but you're looking at this. You're seeing this is playing out. What was your initial reaction? I have some sympathy for the idea that in a time of hard to have a leader. Who is who is it. It sounds like in. This case is still fully aligned with the interests of the sport based on Barry's of which I trust implicit. But I I get where. There's a source of conflict with with that Idea however as much. I was in favor of racing in the USA. Going through this whole time and starting up sooner again. A big part of that is I just feel like the logistics. You've got ninety to ninety five percent of the people required put on a show in the afternoon in the same place in the morning. It just makes it feel safer to me obviously bracing in the UK and Ireland that this necessarily requires people to travel with the gold from one part to another and you know touch things it that they wouldn't be touching it. It feels more dangerous and it. It feels to me like Discretion may be the better part of Valor. But I you know I'm I'm just an outsider looking in but I did want to make the point of why I feel I. I think it's a big difference between the situation. We have here and the situation that That exists in other parts of the world where horses aren't stable at the racecourse where they'll be competing but are coming from you know far-flung training centers check Florida weekend. You've have anything for US lendup. I will be. I'll beyond sky talking about the races on Thursday and which will just have a gulfstream. There's no Tampa on Thursday. But then I'll be back on Saturday for Tampa and Gulfstream. So I'll have everything lined up by that. Hopefully we can beat the booted. A bunch of winners naps. Excellent and in the money players podcast continues. Oh yeah unabated. We've had a lot of really on programming going up some good evergreen stuff. My broadcasting partner. Jonathan tension has been doing these It Joe Rogan style interviews if you will where. He's just having a single guest and they're talking for two hours about everything even the first week and trainer Michael McCarthy and secondly this interview. He did with McCarthy. I'm envious because he came up. He's had some of the funnier stories. I've heard on any podcast. I think the last time I laughed his heart during some macarthur stories of the Times. That Nafta has been on with you Vanessa. Rile will be back on the final podcast. Very very soon Pete Times against you Barry and I are going to do one or two more chats but I think Barry wants to make another point to to you. My friend say wanting the The last thing these from the news and the funny thing is going to tell you the story about really my what Nothing mysterious running thing Essentially and your day was the busiest Davis tracking the derby goes off and oil boil them and I got a message. Misfold NOT COME DOWN TO THE VOLT. Now the volt. I'm not a fair chunk of change up the money. We have no money to a worse. Go happened here so again. Down the security guards. Take me down and his attorney. Neil fish just along the way here on the show to you now audio cue to thing to any win over ten thousand dollars paid out by check because it amendment of loose float in here and the ball on that they would have been providing with the SRI guys miss it. They they try that they've done a really poor day decided to buy the free outside is on the TRIFECTA a couple of books. Twelve dollar bet one nine thousand nine hundred thousand dollars. They should well can. We replayed out in in cash. Well Issue Oxen Chunk of change carrying around so now we do so adopting the armed security guys that that we have down that came along. Go the cash cows net. My my vote is really named Bill. Call on the five. We've never leaves the volts until settled it to the last taught to count cash. Don't don't tell wives to know much seen down especially nothing probably ended up. Oh No that's not a John Daly's type story where like he wins. One point two million dollars and then blows it on slot machines in Vegas. Oh that's priceless. Did you say that the the vote? Manager's name his last name was con nominative determinism at its best conman rubbing. Did you see the pictures but done? Baba put up on twitter number but the time phone guy. I mean it is known haircuts. If everyone is an example where normally determination didn't work on his all know done. Get the right equipment on. Just just losing your hair. Yeah Y good sources. That's what you need. That's what you need. You need a bit of a support Peter it's been a pleasure as always my friend be safe. Be Thank you so much points. Enjoy the rest of the show. I'll listen to that end when it was a pod and I'll talk to both of you guys berry soon but ever enter the audience especially cheers everybody. Heat the appreciate all the American racing questions hit me up at looms boldly on twitter. Happy to help you in your American racing journey accident and we're looking forward to have you back on the show again to talk international in American Racing Peter Fossil. You'll see him on sky sports racing during the week and look out from an at the racist dot com as well as the laptop closes. They're slowly On the zoom. Just before we we wrap up to touch back on the situation Berry It's a lot of pressure that Negro is being put under. But everybody's under pressure right now. This is not a pleasant situation. It's a stressful time for each and every one of us and I think we'll we're starting to see is the chaos is really bringing out panic in certain people. The fact is that you can resume racing tomorrow. It's it's not possible because the government aren't going to allow us so while I haven't always agreed with Nick. I said that on the show and I do feel as though nick sometimes is catering to a fan base. That's never going to support the sports kind of worries about the piece of minded like people who only have one agenda and that's the end racing in the first place and so they should just be say it again there on the terrorism now anyway so they should just be ignored entirely but that being said I know that there's a frustration in the sense of. We don't know what's going to happen with Roy Alaska. We don't know what's going to happen with goodwood. We don't know what's going to happen with the Darby except for the fact that it's going to be on the same day as the oaks but we're not going to know everything because it's not the plan to be telling general racing funds. What the overall active plan is we. We don't really know what's going to happen with the Galway Festival. Only the the intention is to run it behind closed doors but then there's news is come out saying well. It may not be a seven day festival. And there's no guarantee they can save the place in the hurdle and if he can't save the Golden Place is it a galway festival. And that was one of the alluded to in the podcast. When Michael O'Leary Teuku resources at a training I said fear for Galway because he supports that meeting so well if a big businessman is making such a drastic decision maybe he is just seeing something that we're not maybe he's just being more prudent Racing's GonNa Return and it is in a very good position to return but it's interesting the language that has been used by some of these trainers and it's also interesting. Leonardo said pointed out that the trainers the vast majority of the trainers who are having a go at nick are also trainers who criticized his decision to improve. The way apprentices are paid. Well back story about the lead of this. The needed nick riposte to a mortar directionless committee structure that in very rigid structure. So we can have a huge amounts in regards to. Who's in that spot? If Meek leaves tomorrow you you still have the vacuum Say a long period of of notice. He's not unusual in my world sports and governance. So it's interesting to think my don't say he thought he must've been at me saying no. It's not ingredients news. I think when I was I don't know whether that's the same for many many other people in similar and officials simply be to help smooth sailing from Leader Ami debate say all creating within a structure in place in the US to abide smell. Just him here's some very safe but the to get Sylvia meaning go vaccinate consideration. She's not the The the medical consideration from the trust and we will you boy on an Epson 'em some common ground opens the public call something from getting onto the grounds APPs installed in their gunston. We call something. The way things stand currently under the lowest. I understand now with a certain cheap and obvious that one of the things that Mall Johnston. Dick Morris is trying to look what he with really interesting of course is very much against Newcastle. Being turned into what I would mention festival experiment is one of the real success stories on the last few years in British macy very very good horses A given adult that because he's a great coach and I one racing in Britain held back in October when the future invert maturity was transferred from Johnny. So you know the these guys don't always pretty right. They also have their own agendas. Do other owners all jockeys all all all together and they'll be says stipulation. Being John these various places to eat and show we knew safest way possible to brutal and gruesome. What's happening in the moment is Douglas? Who WILL A managing death rates? That's what it's about then. Managing death rate number people. I'm going to die from this horrible disease. And if we had not done what we've done. Then the spike index would have been maybe twenty thousand dollars hospitals and many more homes and burned homes over here Powell insignificance. You're grading. Someone said the other day over. Nothing hospitals hardly being used is actually a good thing but if we have Relaxed vigilance than the next way could be overwhelming as historical cuss nutritional the condemning in nineteen nineteen the second way who's far on bedded mistrust and again the complacency examples the plague back last week that you know maximum well because she'll be very very careful we definitely in in racing that we don't Je Dung and become Wall of agents of a new wave if we see if we can go back doing what we did before but I I agree the overreaction to Cheltenham time they juxtapose operating on the B and restrictions go. How in place In hindsight twenty twenty hindsight Yeah maybe we shouldn't. We did I'm having learned from wasn't mistake. May have been an owner was messed you should learn from our experiences and an essay in terms dispersal tacos. Judge Times I don't like it. You don't have to agree with him and you can have. Of course you're entitled to the Union that you feel sports she becoming back or maybe you feel not not enough is being done to move it forward but there's no need to get personal in the way that the language has been used against him. I mean I've seen some people describe it as Polish language and that's fairly accurate I think I also think it's it's quite defamatory to suggest us. He is not interested in the sport at all. There's no indication that that's the case and I've worked for CEOS who handed in their notice and stayed with the company for six months You know that's my experience in radio broadcasting seen that. That's it's not unusual for that to happen for them to be asked to stay in place. It's not like A sales rep who announces. They're leaving for rival. Your marched it out the door straight away and good night and good luck. Bye-bye Co is a much more responsible role. And there's a question being asked now. Who The hell wants that job? Now if this is what's going on and the other aspect is and you and you touched on it sheldon. I think was right to go ahead. But what we're seeing is Racing's being hammered and Cheltenham is what's being used as the stick to beat it with and there has been so much misinformation sent out there including that old phrase lies. Damn lies and Statistics Bending statistics about Boston sheer and the rates of infection there to twist it in a way that suits your narrative but is ignoring the fact that actually Gloucestershire a sitting way down in the middle of the United Kingdom in terms of the infection rates. It's not up towards the top at all when you really factor everything in Was it a mistake to run. Cheltenham. I don't know because at the time we didn't know if it was a mistake. It's the government's fault because the government after that Sunday Times article. We now know what they what they need. What they've been told and the bars wasn't turning to those meetings. Five COPA meetings didn't turn up So if you're going to have an inquiry or if you're going to have a go at someone have ago at the government however I'm of no political affiliation particularly when it comes to the UK however people are angry they want someone to blame and racing's a really easy target. It's a very very easy target. And if we don't play this right then we're going to become an even bigger target and the idea that there are people who want to return before the government just saying it's safe to do so just as is a massive open goal. In my opinion I agree. I think that the county managed Within within destroyed the bridge on L. rooms destroyed jobs aren't paying rigid. You will and there are so many consider relationship take new count mean owning no more than twelve. Or let's say you don't have any more than twelve jockeys. I guess all scots around the room. We mentioned in the Muslim would you? What would you do? You know You certainly couldn't have brown necessarily for jockeys show the show in the changing room. We've got to think about where you can put the office Alderney pinch points going announcing the track we show tomorrow on the other day when you use the stable. I told me sourcing and shouldn't must being done about about. How easy is just to to do that? We looked promising results. Denied the moon and tell me about nineteen so we do have to be very very cautious at a time when people all concerned very not belot in mind. Today is some relative of his business. died yesterday off salary. Thirty four hundred woman You know we're we're not talking about this being the famous Crow Creek Tribute someone. That's how People in this has been a lot of people die so if you if you mentioned in the mall this everybody and you know we've got a very very long. Mao well done very pleased by the allies and wouldn't wish it on but not everyone does not everyone always the ones that bundling Health conscious discovery. Now it's not and so you know this is this. Isn't they teach English to so it's not very very serious situation find ourselves and I think The cautioned approach being adopted is Moraga. Yeah and that's being emphasized again by Boris Johnson. Today that they don't want to give up the ground that they've made up so far. It's a kind of us a racing term if you like that. Uk's at the points of on the website. It's Boris. Johnson said the case at the point of maximum risk battle with covert nineteen as acknowledged frustrations over the continuing lockdown. And look at of course we're frustrated. Of course people are frustrated. And I understand that. But you've just illustration God rest up for poor woman you just illustration this is life and death. This is. This is a serious as it gets and the other thing people are angry. Some people are angry. Some people want someone to blame. There is no one you can blame Dr Tony. O'donoghue's said this talk to Donahue Dr. Tony Hulan said this. The other day He's the chief medical officer for the HSE so he's doing the nightly briefings and he was alongside the Minister Health Simon Harris when they announced that there will be a ban on five thousand people or more gatherings in the Republic of Ireland until September. So you know the Darby Darby is going to be behind closed. Doors Irish guineas going to be behind closed doors. It looks today is though what we said. Last week is is going to come to fruition. Well at the Irish guineas will be rescheduled and the twenty third and twenty fourth of May forgiven the green light to go ahead. We'll be the trials and then they are. Games will be run after that that means. We're we're racing behind closed doors here but we can't rush back we can't you have to do it safely. And the reasons for that are first of all the trainers who are angry. It's for your own safety. It's for the safety of your loved ones for the safety of your staff. And it's for the safety of the those who have to go to the racecourse in work and for all of the people who were risking their lives in the frontline to save us. I'd love to go to the Darby I'd love to attend it. It's not gonNA happen not this year and that's fine. We just have to accept that nobody could have seen this coming. Nobody could have unless your name is Bill Gates at a Ted. Talk in two thousand fifteen and it doesn't seem don't one really listen to them so we're in this together and we have to try and come out of it together in the in the best way possible and I think personal attacks on on Nick Roast for for all. There are certain things. I don't agree with them on. Doesn't help anybody but we'll have to see how it plays out and it's ill advised when we're getting such a negative reaction to Cheltenham gone ahead and that's deeply unfair and it. Statistics are being are being twisted. Last thing to talk about before we go Qatar racing's manager David Redford's has said that Sheikh if I had I'll tiny support and British racing will not change but he's essentially spending more time in the US so they are no longer going to sponsor the Irish champion stakes. They'll no longer sponsor the French Darby. They are of course one of the biggest investors in British racing. It's a bit of a concern to see him scaling back. I think so I mean it depends how how it actually plays out The reduction in about post Ceuta reduction in numbers of Roseanne The difficulty talking about American racing per se. What does he mean? Did you mean New York? California racing just mean Kentucky is like talking about European racing if we had a four country? You don't really Ball together I guess too much England Scott Britain Ireland and France. If you like the three countries we're relatively close in the same time though Following racine mistakes is is not the same We don't tell us as easy access to it I don't think I don't know what he's talking about. Basically the space. So I'm sort of moving into your knowledge. Base is huge so maybe I should just seem saying what he's wife is from California so I wonder if if they're based on the west coast at least I also wonder if he's driven by the fact that American prize money is just so much bigger than Irish prizemoney racing. America is not a thing in Ireland racing. He's a very much a thing you go if you go to Lexington and you get the Lexington Herald leader and there's no racine town you try and find horseracing about newspaper their little thing. A rose and rising outset racing religious melting this generally in the public consciousness interactive other than the Kentucky. Derby all your whatever happening in your state. Don't be your individual jurisdictions from spacing he'll get shipped Belmont Day Smarty Jones went for triple crown a file for a hundred and twenty thousand People Belmont Not Day When the British held the fifty thousand people and they were raising funds. Not just from New York. We're all over the. Us THEY TURN FOR NEW YORK. They had to make the Belmont pregnant. Turn at Baltimore's Pimlico the Debbie oversee gem. You have these local pockets. Nationally really isn't on the consciousness the way racing his ear and certainly small islands. Macy's a much bigger thing than in America inch way down there the yeah general. Public's kind of takes the classics doesn't it takes the triple crown and the Breeders Cup to get to. Espn get to NBC. And we kind of can get the card probably would be on its years Brought about many races get national coverage. Maybe the woman everybody knows every triple crown gets coverage of the greatest. You may get little bits and patients along the way but mainly on the the almost without disparaging. It me for that. We get over here but we don't get many more races on the main occupational here than On the main channels and mistakes mistakes Gulf move. If you've been there you know every year channel. I don't mean I recall the days long when at Breeders Cup out to change their schedule because it clashed with a note today calling. Well that's big business. Workers would come. The college just goes to show you what Big Business College. Football is over there and it's huge. It's absolutely huge. The definition atheists in America today McLean southern methodist in politics by the way Notre Dame all the way notre dame all the way baby another day all day long Notre Dame and Dallas cowboys. Happy days of a thoroughly enjoyed it thoroughly enjoyed it. 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"Country a third of those are in administration just answering phones or sitting around wasting people's money and the rest of them do enforcement and they can only closed between eight and ten thousand federal gun charge cases per year. So what does that mean? If a lot of people decide to not participate or if localities or state say you know what's right for California is certainly isn't the right path for Missouri I don't think the Fed will be able to do a lot about it if people decide that they don't WanNa go along Tom. Do you think looking at the way people have basically took it upon themselves to stay home to just not be social that we can use this. As a good example and argument for people for the society would be self order society can be South ordering without people with guns telling us what to do. Well Pete Earl thinks his name Over at A are has a pretty good piece out. I think just today on South Korea now obviously South Korea has done some things that would make some civil libertarians. Balk let's say but they haven't shut down the whole country. They haven't gone to the extreme measures that we've seen in some places and they've actually had pretty good results so that would be a good example to look at at the same time even an. I'm just thinking out loud here and the trouble find in the communities like ours where we're deeply ideological it's not just libertarians. But deeply ideological people is that when you think out loud and you're just trying to understand something complicated and you say something that might be thirty percent different from what they expect you to say you get email. Say I've never listening to you again. You're the worst person in the world. I'm going to quote this one sentence. You said that the next forty years to sum up your career you know so I feel like I'm in that position right now but I am kind of wondering what about the situation where there are a lot of stupid people who no matter how much you say to them. They say oh look. I've had the flu before. Or you know I heard you know I lived through Hurricane Matthew or whatever none of these things are are relevant to the discussion at all. None like in Florida. You get a lot of hurricane warnings. That don't come to pass. And so then people say well I guess I don't have to pay attention to hurricane warnings but that doesn't follow and and it leads to a bunch of people who think well I'm a tough guy. I've toughed out a lot of other things. Tough this out. I think we do have a lot of people who won't do the right thing unless they're forced to do it and I genuinely am trying to think of what the Libertarian Answer. That is is a private property. Well it it could hurt. But I'm yes of course but but but right now we if if we're not in an Kapustan What's the short term solution? I mean is it if we really are now I know people say oh They're exaggerating the numbers. Maybe they are. I just published by Richard Epstein I linked to it on twitter. I linked to it in my email newsletter. That has a much more optimistic. Look at the numbers. But let's say the numbers are as drastic and and frightening as they say. My question to myself would be in that situation when there is a major risk to a large population. Major major risk. That could not just the people who would get it but the people who have other problems like you get into a car accident. There's no ICU. Bed for you. So it's not just. Oh I don't have to worry about it because I'm not seventy eight years old. But if a seventy eight year old person has taken up that bed that you need when you're in a car accident it is your problem. I ask myself in that situation which is more important to me trying to prevent a complete collapse of of the medical system which you know and and many many many lives lost or being the world's greatest libertarian. I asked myself that question. I'm not sure what the answer is. I don't think any of US honestly really. No I appreciate you sharing that to Tom and that. I just kind of go back to what Brian mcclanahan has been saying. Basically these types of decisions in order really to be effective and to give liberty a chance to still have the door open really has to be decentralized. I mean we can look to hop on talk about a thousand independent city states if we really want to get as close to an Kapustan as possible but even if it's on a state by state level I think that has significant impact. So if you don't WanNa be an Jakonen state like California. Maybe you can go to a different type. Which ARE CONEY IN STATE LIKE UTAH? I mean they're all bad to some degree but of course responding to issues in each area's got to be different and I certainly expect as as they're giving these these voluntary shut in orders if they if people don't like this is basically what happened in Chicago people the the weekend before Saint Patrick's Day you know the mayor's basically telling people don't go out and be in crowds and the bars are packed and people are sharing drinks and stuff like that. People are in an essence. We don't know what's really going on so I would think that's pretty stupid and a lot of the population is being really stupid in the situation. And all that's going to do is encourage the hammer of government to come in and do something about it. You make a great point though you know. I like to talk a lot about police abuse. But you've really if you get down to people who live in Iowa or something and they live in a really small town. They may have gone to school with the whole Police Department. So they know everybody like that but yeah I mean the smaller you get. The more people can talk to each other. The more people can come to a consensus. That mean they don't have to vote they just have. Yeah that's that's a really good idea. But the bigger you get on the coasts I mean. I'm I'm with my town. The town I live in used to be part of Atlanta. That's how close I am to Atlanta and getting a consensus on anything. Here is you might as well. Just go to the two zero two area code because there's just GONNA be bureaucratic. I mean there. There's going to be no consensus whatsoever. They're just going to be one person who's not quite whose only qualification as they got elected to make these decisions. So I mean I think specialization is is another thing too you know and I live five miles from the CDC and there's like no one even on the local news around here. There's not any really good recommendations for what to do in this case. Yeah none of us should really trust government. That doesn't mean I think none of US trust government. None of US trust politicians. None of US trust bureaucrats. They're all really self interested. That doesn't mean necessarily that they're warnings are wrong. Maybe they're not warning enough. Maybe they're warning too much And that's why I think we need to keep looking to other sources to our neighbors to our communities and family about how to take care of ourselves the best personally. I'm just avoiding as much interaction with people. I don't know as possible while also I found that some of the people who who follow me. I like these people. They're not saying they're bad people but I think some of them follow me. Because they're naturally contrarians. And I'm not really naturally a contrarian so for example I don't go around saying Beethoven is totally overrated. He was a bum because that would be contrary him or John. Locke had nothing to say about liberty that would be. I'm not naturally contrarian. I'M CONTRARIAN Awakens wrong evil people period but I have some people who just whatever the conventional wisdom is. It's just wrong. It's wrong because they found somebody on a website that looks like it was built in nineteen ninety seven by a ten year. Old Says that it's wrong and so I get all this anti conventional wisdom stuff on all kinds of topics that that you can possibly imagine all the time and that's just not who I am. That's not to say that I always blindly trust every authority. I do have some kind of healthy skepticism. But I don't think that just because a government official says something that it's automatically wrong now a Lotta Times. Because they lie so much with government. Yeah I kind of do assume that but not every institution and even not even government because sometimes if they say hey. This building is on fire. And I and I'm I'm standing outside the building and I see the flames. I know the telling me the truth on that. Sometimes sometimes they are telling the truth so but yet I have so many people say well if the government tells me X. That's enough for me to believe why that's not a scientific frame of mind at all and it's it could be very unhelpful and also it frankly makes us look bad. Yeah where I'm where. I'm really skeptical on on. Government is for example the FDA actually three four days ago. I'm talking to my sister. And she says all the New York Times said. Don't worry about the food supply The shells are just empty. There's no problems with a food shortage. And then I saw it in another paper a day later and then I think it was yesterday the FDA said. Don't worry about the Food Supply. It's like a coordinated similar message Just no one should stock up for more than a week now and that kind of situation. I'm like are you trying to calm us down? Because people are really worked up and then I want to buy more food to have on hand but in general I tom I think I agree with you as well. The idea of rejecting everything just because it's government is not smart in fact it can be dangerous. It makes the whole movement look stupid or just absurd and but then on the other hand. We don't want to trust them. We have to look at them through a lens of well. Are these the good people telling us something or not and that makes it very difficult for all of us. I think while my comment about just getting elected I'm talking about Atlanta and I'm pretty familiar with the mayor of Atlanta so that was I realize there are some people out there who you know things and everything. So I was talking about a very specific as in his In his instance. But one I guess the last thing I would finish up with is I've had a bunch of a bunch of people that listen to me from Washington state talk about how they're going to mandatory vaccines up there and it's scaring the crap out of a lot of people because you know no matter where you stand on. Vaccines Libertarian. I would think that. Most Libertarians and especially anarchists would be like this just choice. That person you know should make choices what they what they should put their body. How could within the state something like you know nullification be used to stop this? I just what do you think I can just add briefly in general the the the concept and the strategies that are used for nullification at least how we use it in Monir Times not participating in the enforcement refusal to cooperate civil disobedience in many ways. these are generally crafted specifically for states and the political subdivisions cities and other localities. In response to the federal government because of the nature of the Federal Constitution being compact the federal government is a creature of the people of the several states. Now the states are different. The localities are political subdivisions and creation of the state and in some areas like the state government can Kick out a sheriff. They can dissolve local governments if they want to. So you can't use the same strategies that in general but on a state level it really gets down to if people don't like it it's not going to be easy but if people like with the states are doing. It's going to take mass civil disobedience. There is no legal approach all the the local governments going to say well. We're not comply with this. Well maybe they can get away with it if the state government is too busy doing other stuff but if they just want to be able to say that and have it worked in law they're gonNA have a very hard time. Say The federal government's answer to this whole corona virus thing is. Oh we have this vaccine and everybody. Everybody has to take while then. Now you're in a situation where States localities could fight back against that from what you've seen in the past. What's the best way to do that if people are going to do that? They're literally going to have to start at a local level and not participate because the CDC doesn't have an army to be able to do this. I guess it depends on how the feds want to enforce it in general health mandates environmental mandates gun control measures. It's it's Put out there by the federal government. It's directed by a handful of people in Washington. Dc and each situation and almost all the enforcement action happens on a state or local level either State Regulatory Agency for example with the environment or local even now when it comes to vaccines a lot of the state level mandates are basically following CDC guideline so if the C. D. C. comes out and starts doing mandates that's a whole nother story again. It's going to be have to be implemented on a state level. So we'll this will. The people want to resist that. I'm sure there's enough Personally I think I would just try to hide out in my apartment as long as possible until things blow over but we'll see how it goes any ideas on that Tom. Well I'm just glad Michael's in charge of the Tenth Amendment Center. I like to be the theorist. Explains why you're all justified doing this. But in terms of when and how exactly to implement oh I am so not your personal. But that is so Michael's wheelhouse okay. So that's good team out. I mean well. Theoretically why should people be able to you know? People are going to argue for an address brought up vaccines. Because that's another thing that's in the news you know people are saying. Oh well when? Are they going to come out with a vaccine for this? What's the theory behind? You know people say oh well if you don't get it. You're not allowed to go out in public things like what would be how you construct an argument against that. I duNno I duNno. She's I'm going to no matter what I say. Somebody'S COMING DOWN ON I. I know what their actions ago in with it. But you are right. Maybe actually interested in what you guys have to say on a philosophical level. Because that's where I'm always definitely lacking because my initial gut instinct is government. Force equals bad cell right but the thing is let's say the the reason you can't have a discussion about this is that it turns into a A pro vaccine versus anti backs. Now well the point but the point of a philosophical discussion is not to get into the scientific minutia that that makes it not a philosophical discussion. A philosophical discussion would say. Let's stipulate for the sake of argument that the vaccine is one hundred percent effective and has no side effects. Okay that's how you have a philosophical argument. So let's let's abstract from potential problems with the vaccine and let's say that it's only it's only positive so then the question becomes you either do this or there is some possibility that you could inadvertently kill someone. Now let's say instead of having being susceptible to this corona virus instead you every time you leave your house every single time you leave your house you walk around wielding knives in a way that you're bound to hurt somebody like that you you're bound to hurt somebody and they say well look if there's no way we can get the knives out of your hands. You can't leave your house. We would be more likely to say. Yeah if somebody's going around doing that then yeah he probably shouldn't be able to leave his house. But you're probably not gonNA kill every single person in your path but you might inadvertently kill one or two. How is that not the same thing going around and potentially infecting people with something deadly? I mean I'm just I'm again. I'm trying to work through this on a theoretical level. So I don't WANNA get emails from people saying oh woods just shot up for five minutes and be a hero. Yeah you've been working for the CDC all along that's right that's right and and and then I'll be accused of. I'm collecting my paycheck from the. Cdc They don't know my address. I never get these. I never get the paycheck from the coke brothers and all the people. I'm supposed to be working for. I do appreciate what you said Tom. Because I don't want you to get in trouble so I mean honestly it look I don't want to. It's not like I'm saying that I'm a coward and I don't dare say what I really think it's just more like do I want to do. I want the trouble of dealing with all this but I'm talking about. Forget the vaccine issue for a second and just look at it from a libertarian standpoint. I if if you're doing something that has at least a moderate risk of harming somebody else and there's a way to stop yourself from doing it and you don't do it do we. Just say Oh. That doesn't matter I mean really. Is that how Libertarian Theory? Looks at this that doesn't matter. I don't know now that makes a lot of sense. It really does and that comes back to what what should be. The basis is self responsibility to you know just being able self ownership to and knowing and the non aggression principle. It comes down to nonaggression principle. I mean the non aggression principle doesn't have to be punching someone in the face it could also be not infecting somebody with something that could potentially kill them. That makes a lot of sense. Yeah and just one quick thought on that again to any again if we're thinking in theory and we're talking about a private property society. Let's say there's a private property city if you're driving like an idiot Doing donuts or something like that. They'll probably kick you out at some point the stipulation that you wouldn't be allowed to live there if you didn't follow certain safety practice we can acknowledge that and obviously we don't live in that society so a creates all kinds of other questions. We of course want to support it from a private property perspective. But since we don't have that. What is the expectation? I don't have an answer. The tragedy of the Commons man. It's that that's one of the toughest ones to deal with. Really is but I promised about forty five minutes and I really appreciate you guys Plug away You WanNa go first time. Yes sure of course Like Pete I'M A PODCAST. Got The top show Which I do every weekday but I guess right now I'm trying to think of all the free e books I give away which one would be the best right now and maybe my e book is wrong is the one that needs to be written because it looks like some of her ideas are about to be implemented under the pressure of this crisis. They're going to. They're going to give away free this and prohibit that and whatever so it might be a good idea to bone up on the arguments against them. You think oh I already know all the arguments against AFC really all the numbers and all the facts and figures necessary to Steamroll these things. I don't think so I even I don't even I need to brush up on them from time to time so. Ao IS WRONG DOT COM is a fun place to go because not only do you get this free book but you have the distinct pleasure of typing in a. Oh see is wrong dot com. That's amazing I can't believe that was available and I'll just say I've taken too long but I bought that domain before they started calling her. Afc They was just calling your Alexandria. Cossio Cortez I bought. Afc IS WRONG DOT COM. Because I thought well Oh Cossio Cortez's wrong dot com too long so I just said well we'll do see and then they started. Caller made cost me ten bucks. You know maybe it would have cost thousand after. They started calling her that but I got it really soon so sometimes you you make you take a gamble and you come out smelling like roses. Awesome Michael Well since. That story was so incredibly awesome. The one thing I wanNA plug is is wrong. Got Calm because that was just amazing. I WanNa hug the Tenth Amendment Sense. I was going to plug you guys. I I'm very grateful for that but that was Tom. That was a really cool story especially about the in the domain name purchase. Because that's a good business in it's in and of itself. If you guys want a good starting point for the Tenth Amendment Center I think Tenth Amendment Center Dot Com Slash report. It's basically a free book. It's an eighty page annual download that we do The first half of it talks about the history the philosophical basis the constitutional basis behind nullification. The second half is how it's being implemented in the states and local communities today on various issues from weed to healthcare to surveillance gun control and a mole. The Federal Reserve This coming year. Which we're GONNA release well for twenty nine thousand nine. We're going to be releasing probably in the next month or so. We'll be covering things like foreign policy and war as well too. I want to say I think both of you guys are heroes. I'm I support both of you guys. You know monetarily because I think the work that you guys do is just way too important. And Michael. I think that you're the way the tenth amendment centers that up and nullification and secession. Getting things down as small as possible is really the only way forward and Tom. Tom Helped me to understand economics by writing. Meltdown I mean that was my introduction to economic so And both of you guys I really appreciate about than I know. We didn't stay on topic some because there was some topical stuff that I thought. I WOULD WANNA work into this but I do appreciate your time and Guys putting up with me then expert always a pleasure thank you. That was awesome. Really appreciate it all right folks. I had been writing about the virus from one aspect or another in my newsletter. Which all the fun people subscribe to. And it's a great way to break up your day reading all woods here. How do you hop on that list and be one of the people one of the cream of the crop in the world? The answer is by getting one of my free e books and how about this one today. This one the deregulation boogeyman because now that we're obviously going to be hitting some economic hard times. 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We'll continue our look at students being sent out of state to deal with behavioral problems. We'll find out just how difficult the first year was for those farmers growing help in Illinois. And we'll try to find out of there such a thing as Midwest. Nice that in this hour on statewide steam trainings can help. Educators prepare students for careers in science technology engineering. The Arts and Mathematics Peter Midland reports in a recent training. That showed teachers how to stay on the cutting edge of classroom tech. A group of teachers hold their phones in front of their faces in using the camera. They're looking at the classroom. They're standing in when suddenly a Zombie appears then a warning to they need to reach a safe house or they'll be eaten alive with that. They face a series of locked doors and to open them in escape. The feds grasp. They need to answer series of vocabulary. Questions wait what? This is an augmented reality. Game about zombies. Yes but it's also a language arts lesson for middle school students. This session was part of the steamed up conference and Northern Illinois University. And if you don't know what augmented or virtual reality means or what the differences. Here's a breakdown. Virtual reality is when you put on a headset or glasses that drops you into a new. Three dimensional world. Augmented reality is when a device or APP alters your perception of your world think of the Popular Mobile Game Pokemon go where the pocket monsters you want to catch pop up on your phone screen. Scamper across your yard or wherever your phone cameras pointed hell. Brinson is an undergraduate researcher. At you help present on a are sometimes difficult to think of uses technology besides like. Oh that's cool especially education like water suits actually gaining from seeing the ocean. What can we measure about? What can we create news? That question is the crux of this conference. Stacey Oh Daniel teaches business education and technology at Genoa Kingston High School. This is her first year in the classroom after years as an education administrator in the private sector. Oh Daniel No. She has some catching up to do. Especially when it comes to new technology and she hopes conferences like this one can help her learn more to keep up with her students she also attended another Ar VR workshop. In the fall. I took it back to my students and they taught me. They like to research what was out there. And they brought those applications back to me and that's how we moved forward with it so it really was a student led project she first started integrating the Ar Vr lessons with schools. Computer Club so they really like the science ones where they can look at the human body and focusing on different parts and see what each part does and how it relates to another part just being introduced to the concepts and platforms is useful especially as Ar VR become more mainstream and while geno cakes highschool students explore that surgeons at Stanford University Medical Center Three D models in VR to simulate surgeries they can use images from their actual patient to map their strategy before they even break any skin. The education system has to change and we have to meet these kids where they're at for example the AR VR kids are learning through this. And we're meeting them where their skill sets are instead of trying to put them in our box. But collaboration isn't limited to conferences. It's also online. How Brinson says metaverse? The augmented reality APP. The teachers were using is a great example. Another reason we chose metaverse. It already has an existing online community. So you can look on the and browse through different games. Matthew Sweat is an undergraduate researcher. Studying applied mathematics at in another session. He gave educators the basics of unity. It's a software. Engine used to build video games. I just wanted to go through it a bit so that you're not completely overwhelm. Sweat built a makeshift catapult in the software. Three D space. Then he dropped to wait on it and launches a ball across the screen. The software gives you the tools to learn how to build video games with little to no coding experience. Luckily like metaverse. There's an online ecosystem in place to help you learn. Students and teachers can find step by step tutorials quick recipes for simple games as a high school student. If you handed me this software a bunch of videos this is how like the Games are made. I went to the needed. A classroom setting and Stacey O. Daniel hopes to inspire that kind of curiosity when she takes the tools back to her classroom for the next generation of programmers engineers and artists. On Peterman. There's early voting in Illinois. Primary begins next month. The state's automatic voter registration. System is under scrutiny. Elected officials from both parties. Say They want answers as to how more than five hundred non. Us citizens were registered met Dietrich spokesman for the State Board of elections says only a small portion of them actually voted. There were only a total of nineteen ballots cast over three different elections by these sixteen individuals. You have certain individuals who voted in multiple elections secretary of State Jesse White and his office have taken full responsibility for the error and say the glitch has been resolved automatic. Voter registration is available when people get a driver's license or state ID. Some Republicans have called for suspending automatic registration until MORE DETAILS EMERGE. Democrats are planning a legislative hearing to find out what went wrong. And what can be done to prevent it from happening again? Listeners have heard some of our series on Illinois students being sent out of states many for behavior modification programs one response we got was from. Marcus chatfield these currently working toward his PhD. At the University of Florida. He studied total listrik programs for teens and he spoke with our education. Reporter Dusty Rhodes. I have been interested in this topic since the nineteen eighties. When I was placed in straight incorporated as a teenager straight INC was a massive drug treatment program that operated forty three centers across eighteen states until nineteen ninety-three. That's when it shut down phasing investigations documenting abuse and multimillion dollar judgments and several lawsuits. I experimented with marijuana as a teenager and I was having trouble at school. And the program trained me to believe that I had the disease of chemical dependency and train needs to believe that the other kids in the program had that disease to and needed to be treated as well and I believe it was treatment at the time but now back I see wasn't treatment in any sense of the term straight operated and warehouses in used marathon rap sessions divorce residence to confront each other about drug. Use chatfield reconnected with some of his straight peers. As an adult thousand four I discovered online. There was a lot of discussion from people who were in straight and people who are in I Dunno hundreds of different programs and there was a lot of people have really similar. Experience to me is a graduate student at the University of Florida. He decided to study their experiences. Were his thesis. He distributed a survey to adults. Who had experienced therapeutic boarding schools residential treatment centers and wilderness programs and sorted their responses into two groups based on whether they rated their experience as good or bad even interviewed fifteen from each group. And you know I worked to give a balanced representation and I can tell you that. Some of the feedback I've received is that it's biased with a positive slant because in my sample the vast majority of people who completed this questionnaire how to really negative experience and in order to represent you know the more positive perspectives. I ended up interviewing every single person. Who had a positive experience but because the vast majority had a more negative experience? I did a random sampling from people who had a more negative experience. I did notice that. If it's like to get fifteen in the highly positive group and fifteen and a low opinion group you had to take all comers for the high quality and just a random sample of the vast majority. Yeah I was struck by the fact that some of the people who found it beneficial were conflicted about that. Can you give me remind me one example of that? There were several adults who after they got out of. Treatment for substance abuse got worse or addictions got worse. Their lives really went downhill but now looking back on the program they even though it was hard even though some of them described it as abusive their strongest feeling or the most prominent feeling was that they were trying to help or that. It did plant seeds that eventually we're beneficial even if it was twenty years after the fact I think you said that a state license is no guarantee of quality of a program right a lot of the programs that representative on my study. Most of them were state. Licensed do you see any common pattern? Among places that have more positive outcomes versus places that that don't I mean. Do you have any way of telling parents or school? Districts look for these signs of void those signs well. I did a statistical analysis of my sampling data. And it's not in my thesis but I've submitted it to a journal. It's under review. But the strongest predictor of low quality of experience is the total listrik nature of the program. So the more total Listrik the program. The lower the quality of experience total listrik programs are designed to change the whole person to do that. They control all communication imposes. Strict system of rules and punishments improvised a ladder privileges to inspire teenagers to conform. They also harnessed the power of peer pressure. Often using group sessions in which teams are encouraged to confront each other. Many programs used these methods although they refer to them by different names and started to not look at. You know I didn't explore well. What program is the best? I didn't do it like that but what I can say is that when I analyze these sampling data. The more total Listrik program the lower the quality of experience but that's by individual. That's not making a generalized claim. It's just in my sample. That's what was reported. Did you take your own survey. Did you come out with a score for your experience? No I didn't I didn't I didn't that's funny. I didn't do it myself. No well if you had to Ballpark. Where do you think he will fall I don't know I have such a complicated relationship with my program experience because on the one hand I'm grateful for it because it really opened my eyes to so many you know really important issues like it helped me to communicate but on the other hand. It's almost inappropriate to feel gratitude for the program that I was in because so many young people were destroyed by the treatment design. I mean right now. I can count thirteen peers. Who have committed suicide and most of them committed suicide in the first few years after getting out. And you know you could say well. These kids had problems so they're more likely to commit suicide anyhow. But that's not really true like the program I was in. The parents were expected to recruit families into the program so it wasn't just that these kids all were so messed up that there were predisposed to suicide. It's that you know by today's standards. It was literally torture. Was The intentional infliction of physical and emotional pain in order to produce a response. Well I mean the number thirteen out of how many peers straight with a big program. So I don't know how many peers I had over that sixteen month period on we've been in the hundreds but I'm not in touch with all of them by any means so just through the grapevine. I've heard of thirteen suicides just to the kids that I knew and that's just suicide that doesn't even include. You know all the other forms of harm with that was something that harmful. It's like it's not appropriate to few grateful for it or to really describe in positive terms for me personally and see what you're saying it's because I explored it and I asked people and I learned about the harm. I mean if I hadn't done that I would probably feel comfortable saying yeah. It was treatment you know. I even believe that was effective treatment. If I had stayed insulated from the amount of that 'cause they was Marcus chatfield speaking with our education. Reporter Dusty Rhodes. You can find out more information about his research and a link to his thesis. That's at our website at statewide show dot com starved. Rock State Park is one of the most popular hiking destinations in the country. With two and a half million visitors last year but high volumes of people and erosion led to heavy wear and tear on the parks scenic trails canyons a new fundraising effort for the love of starved. Rock is raising money to preserve the park for future generations. Ab TRIMBLE IS THE PRESIDENT OF STARVED. Rock Lodge and Conference Center. It's getting more and more difficult for the state to provide all of the funding for those trail improvements in so a group of US got together and decided that we would try to raise money in conjunction with the state to Get these trails fix. The first project is building a trail. Accessible to people with disabilities group also hopes to raise money to repair a bridge over one of the canyons and address erosion issues at another so trails. They are can reopen. You're listening team. Statewide just ahead. Just what is Mid West? Nice isn't even reason. We'll tackle those questions. Stay with us. Thousands of people contact invent help monthly about their invention or new product to you think companies would be interested in your idea. Do you want to try to get a patent call invent help now? 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Rockford held its fourth the rally and March were cut a little shorter because of the bitter cold but the message of unity was stronger than ever and reporters. From W N I J were there we start with this report from Connie coons. Cold temperatures. Didn't stop a diverse crowd of marchers at women's March Rockford. More than two hundred people gathered to express themselves support each other and peacefully marched Jennifer. Stunk held a sign. That said voting is my superpower and I feel like voting is by superpower. It's Oliver Superpowers. And so that's my sign in. That's why I'm here today is that I want to represent and remind everybody that if we don't like the world is today we can vote. We can make a difference. Men showed up to including berry champion. Or I'm your to support the women's March and everyone's rights for equality people kind of just knowing me as loving everybody. I've been to probably all the women marches since they've started as well as other women's rights sort of marches. Well four generations of marchers. Were there Jerry Hood? Was there with her granddaughters. This is London and this is Paris. I'm just here to make sure that everybody is accounted for and to teach my granddaughters. We can help people. My degree is in human services so this is kind of like what I've always been into because I fall through so many cracks myself. It's important that we get more attention focused on women's rights. It's important for me and then for them growing up too and Melody Pearson has been marching for decades. I'm here because I've been marching for right since the nineteen seventies and we still don't earn equal dollar equal jobs there just a lot of reasons for us to be respected. I respect men. They're men I love and I don't want to take anything away from them but I would like to share the world that they're in and have them share the good parts of our world. I'm Connie coons end. I'm season Stevens. How low women's March rock sky? Jaeger kicked off the first round of speeches. This year's theme is intersection. Analogy up on the outdoor stage in downtown Rockford. The lineup of speakers looked a lot like the audience and not just because they were bundled in scarves and heavy coats. They were people who knew discrimination firsthand. And in many cases their labels overlapped or intersected on Cornet Parham read a message from Winnebago county clerk. Tiana McCall challenging the crowd to keep advocating for that support women and not just some women's rights all women's rights women of Color Muslim women immigrant women women all across the Gender Identity Spectrum. Incarcerated women any and all disenfranchised women again. I repeat all women. I'm running for. What comes my way. I wake up in the morning and I'm ready. Are you ready? Rhonda Greer is President of the rapper chapter the NWEA CPI. She says she's ready to continue fighting for women's rights and getting people out to vote. Stand for your purpose stamp your beliefs stamp with the people that you love stamp will your community Congresswoman Cheri. Bustos told the crowd there not finished. They need to help. Make sure everyone is counted in this year. Census and on this one hundredth anniversary of women's suffrage. They must use their superpower. The right to vote. You've got to use every single day and be inspired by what this nation needs to be at all it can be and with that boost in the rest of the marchers lined up behind an eight year old named Liliana and hit the streets. I'm Suzanne Stevens member station. Wbz produces a regular series called curious. City it takes questions from listeners and investigates to find an answer this week curiosities. Andrew meriwether tracks down the origins of the term Midwest. Nice curiosity listener shining. Li Lives was twelve housemates and Hyde Park. And when the dishes pile up in the sink shining just bluntly ask people to clean up their mess. But she says the not all housemates are so direct especially those from the Mid West. My House may growth this sign and put it above the sink and it says hey. Did you know that if sponges or left like soaking they'll germs and be stinky ono? It was like and there was going to be like a little sponge and it had like a smiley face. I'm like it was like running around. Hunting is describing reflects a common stereotype about mid Westerners that they're just plain nicer. And maybe a little more passive aggressive than the rest of the country. It's called Midwest Nice shining is a Chinese immigrant who grew up on the east coast and moved to the Midwest at the age of nine and even at that young age she noticed that people acted differently in Delaware. Go to grocery store and like no one talk to you and then I moved to Ohio and like people wave each other on the street and it just it felt more welcoming but as she got older she had this nagging feeling that it was all an act so shining ask curiousity to investigate whether Midwest Nice was actually real or just made up stereotype if you haven't heard of mid West Nice. Maybe you've heard of Minnesota Nice. It's basically the same thing you may have seen it in movies like in this scene from. Fargo where marge played by Frances mcdormand ever so kindly tells a man not to sit next to her. Why don't you sit over there? I prefer that sorry. I'll see you don't have to turn my neck or take the church lady from Saturday night. Live who has a very mid Western response to think? She finds unpleasant full. Isn't that special? Obviously this is a huge generalization about millions of people. But I learned that there's evidence Midwest Nice Israel instance from how the region was settled today raises important questions about racism and inclusion in the Midwest. I'll get all that in a minute. But first we need a working definition so I reached out to someone who's thought and written about it journalists in Iowa native pockets. Here's how he defines it. Mid Western Nice. Is this understanding that you should be kind to people regardless of the circumstance and that you should suppress any urge to speak ill of anybody. He says doesn't mean that mid Westerners don't have negative feelings or thoughts they just don't express them direct but they do communicate them with a kind of coat subtle. Sounds I rolls and long silences like his mom back when kicks was in college and decided to grow his hair out? This is what she said. Oh that was it with just one sound Paul understood. She hated it. But I mean this is still anecdotal. It's not the kind of thing anyone has dared on right. Yeah I mean based on the data that we have for approximately one point five million people It appears though it is real so there is data. That's Jason Renfro psychologist at Cambridge University in two thousand thirteen. He and his colleagues crunch data from personality surveys. They found three distinct personality. Profiles each associated with the region. One of them was the midwest which we labeled friendly conventional which was marked by high levels of extroversion agreeable nece conscientiousness and low levels of neuroticism and very low levels of openness so mid Westerners are extroverted agreeable but not open renfro explained it this way someone high extroversion loan openness would be somebody who's very sociable talkative but maybe isn't particularly Curious or Are Open to new ideas now remember. This is an overall trend. Certain places such as big cities like Chicago and many individual. People won't conform but still this idea of Midwest. Nice this outward. Friendliness but internal close mindedness is more common here than in other regions so Midwest. Nice is kind of thing but how did Westerners get to be this way historian? John Locke has a theory he says it comes from the late eighteen hundreds when the midwest was settled by farmers one of the things that is a key component of agrarian society is a high level of cooperation or what the historians call mutuality or to put it in plain. English having a barn raising culture. Have you ever tried to raise a barn? Yeah me neither but I bet it's pretty darn hard to do by yourself or with a bunch of jerks for that matter. So being nice was Keith. But he says there's more to it than that niceness also held people get along in a diverse region in fact the most diverse region in the country now they weren't racially diverse but unlike earlier settlement on the East Coast where people close by national origin or religion. Midwestern communities brought together people from lots of different places they came from the South the Northeast as well as Ireland Germany Scandinavia. So you had all these different languages cultures religions in the same place and at the time those differences really mattered so to get along it helped to be nice and friendly but not too inquisitive or critical if there was a disagreement a mid. Westerner wouldn't say you're wrong instead they might say something indirect like fast shot but over time those differences became less important and today most of the descendants of those early settlers are just considered white Americans and this brings us back to question asker shining experience in Ohio. She was a first generation Chinese immigrant and a predominantly white suburb. And she said people seemed welcoming but you can never tell if it was genuine. Was that partly due to racism. Dr Sue Vega says yes. She studied the experience of Lat next immigrants and Lafayette Indiana for her book. Latino heartland the white families in the neighborhood and the midwestern families wouldn't outright be negative towards some and somewhat even wave and say hi. You know how you doing. I'm or welcome them but there was almost like a superficial to Vegas. Is that some of these? People simply didn't know how to behave around people from different cultures but they had the sense of. I'm uncomfortable by your presence. I'm afraid of what I might say I I'm uncomfortable with your presence. Because you're different and I think that plays into the mid western Nice Because people want to be nice but there's also a lot of awkwardness when it has to do with politics and that squares with what Jason Renfro found in his research on the Midwest agreeable but not open minded and instead of acknowledging their awkwardness. Midwesterners are just well polite and can provide a kind of cloak for discomfort and in some cases even racism but Vega doesn't think the Midwest has to stay this way. We want to embrace our differences embrace the fact that we're not comfortable with each other and then move forward in that conversation rather than keep avoiding it because it's not comfortable of course to do that would require a confronting discomfort and maybe even being a little more open and direct like shining in other words redefining. Midwest Nice now. Wouldn't that be special tree? City is supported by the Coen Family Foundation. I'm Andrew Meriwether WANNA be. I don't want to feel Nasdaq. Curious city is a production of member station. Wbz Many farmers are wrapping up their first year of growing hemp. The two thousand eighteen farm. Bill legalized the crop. But left regulation up to the states wall. Nearly all states have allowed at there have been a variety of approaches to the rollout of him. Here in the Midwest Indiana Cronin Harvest public media has been talking to some Illinois hemp farmers. She has this report. The building at the Illinois State fairgrounds was buzzing in mid December as the twenty nineteen Hem Summit Got Underway Old Illinois Department of Agriculture is Jeff Cox welcomes the crowd of more than seven hundred including hemp growers processors scientists. And really anyone interested in the Crop Cox. Is the bureau chief of medicinal plants and helped put on the summit. He says the point was to bring everyone together to talk about how the first year of hemp farming went. There's a lack of expertise Just a general lack of knowledge as to how to help him the best way and we wanted to bring everybody to the same room so that they understood that everybody struggled. He says ear one was undoubtedly turbulent. It's kind of a good way to start away And that that's about as bad as it can get a knock on wood. Farmers generally agree. It was tough for many different reasons for one. There are a lot of regulations associated with growing Ham. And that's because hemp is derived from the same plant as marijuana the cannabis sativa plant but hemp and marijuana are more like cousins hemp has much less tetrahydrocannabinol or THC which gives marijuana it's psychoactive effect so to grow hemp. You need to apply for a specific license and then be sure that your crop stays under point three percent. Thc If it's over that legal limit your crop will be destroyed when he's ten thousand or search south stocks on seeds depending on you to think about them. Charles Brown grows hemp in Virginia Illinois. We caught up a couple of weeks after the summit which he attended in part to learn how to properly test his crop to avoid so called hot hemp. He says he was Lucky. This year and that none of his hemp was over that legal. Thc element but once he harvested it. He said it had nowhere to go far thousand pounds of Biodiversity White Sox taking epochal stall two stall garage. He says he also went to the summit to meat processors who are licensed to take the hemp off his hands and prepare for the consumer but he couldn't find anyone. The issue is common among hemp farmers according to the Illinois Department of Agriculture this year. Six hundred and forty-four growers licenses issued but fewer than two hundred were licensed to process the crop. That's leaving many growers with nowhere to turn. Once they've harvested other farmers came out just to be able to talk about hemp in the open. Jared and April Peyton grow in Wayne City Illinois older generation of farmers here him and they just think marijuana and I think all the bad things that come along with that interested in an learning anymore about it if you tell them it's not pot I said Oh well it is. It's the same thing they see. There's a stigma against growing it. And that's made it hard for them to find others to talk to and collaborate with despite the tough year Jeff Cox says he hopes farmers stick with it he says with corn and soybean prices lower than they once were growing Illinois helps the state diversify its cash crops. I've received several dozen emails. Probably from folks said my crops was a bust this year. But I'm doing it again next year. Which is what we want to hear. According to New Frontier data research firm focusing on the cannabis industry in two thousand eighteen sales for based products in the US totaled about one point. One billion dollars that's expected to double by twenty twenty two cox says we won't know exactly how much hemp was grown in Illinois for a few more weeks but either way he says he's already planning next year's Hem Summit Dana Cronin Harvest Public Media Illinois Governor Jay Pritzker assigned the law. This week aimed at bringing more young people into the civic conversation. As Mike Smith explains high schoolers of legal age to vote will be able to take two hours out of their school day to cast their ballot. Thanks to a new law governor. Jay pritzker praised the efforts of both students and elected officials. Who made it possible saying they recognized how important it is not only to vote but to make the act of voting as accessible as possible for all who can vote. School still maintain control over which our students are allowed to be absent vote. The law takes effect this summer after the primary election. I'm Mike Smith you're listening to statewide. Oliver episodes can be found at statewide. Show dot com with links to the stories. You hear each week so check it out and stay with us. More of this episode is on the way Dick Dick dish. Tv is better than cable TV. Why because you can save forty five percent on packages compared to your high priced cable? Bill while take those giant scissors out and cut the cable and save with dish TV. Plus you get a free. 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Just ahead conversation with an Illinois professor about the history of lgbtq individuals in American governments devender Pritzker in various state elected officials wish soldiers of the Illinois National Guards Safety and success during their deployments earlier this week in Carbondale from member station W. S. U. Amelia Blakely has more silence and buzzing of the arena. Lights were the only sounds in the band. Tara Center as four hundred soldiers part of the second one hundred and Thirtieth Infantry Battalion walked in for the deployment ceremony but behind the silence and the soldiers were two thousand people including families and veterans hoping all of these four hundred soldiers come home safely Alleanza. A Vietnam vet says. This deployment was much different than his when he was deployed to Vietnam while stationed in Germany ceremony. Like this we got on a plane flew. Unc says he didn't know anyone being deployed but in the military. That doesn't matter belong to the American Legion. I'm on the honor guard and I hope I don't have to bury these guys when they come back. Unc says the soldiers are honoring themselves. I'm Amelia Blakely University of Illinois Springfield Political Science Professor Jason Pearson's Encyclopedia of Lgbtq Americans. In the political system was recently released he talked with our reporter. Maureen mckinney about the two volume addition and recent roadblocks faced by the community. When I was in graduate school the Movement for same sex marriage was just starting to form and there are a lot of interesting court cases and I primarily studied public law and the courts and so I- focused on that issue and that turned into a broader research agenda on lgbtq lawn politics. What made you decide to do the encyclopedia? I was approached by the publisher to edit the encyclopedia and I thought about it a lot because it was a major project. We'll have a lot of work but I realized that would be a good resource. For Educational Institutions Universities Colleges even high schools to offer students resources. And the general public resource on the history of eligible tiki rights movement. Various prominent activists and elected officials court cases organizations. So I thought there was a need for a resource like the third been some similar resources but there have been out of date so this was a chance to bring things up to date and have a resource. That would be useful for a lot of folks. What would you say are some of the most interesting or important pieces of information? One of the most important parts of the work is that it highlights elected officials before Harvey Milk. That were elected. He's often seen as the first but he's not the first openly. Lgbtq person to be elected to public office there were two women that were elected in. Nineteen seventy four three years before he was elected Kathy Cozy Janko and Elaine Noble so they're profiled as well as unsuccessful candidates who ran much earlier than than even they did in Nineteen. Sixty one for instance. Jose Saria is the first known openly. Lgbtq person to run for office in the United States and he ran for the Board of Supervisors in San Francisco. He lost but he finished well enough in a citywide race. That put the issue of Lt Curates. More on the agenda and it showed that there was voting cloud in San Francisco from the community. And that that set the stage for Harvey Milk's success in the nineteen seventies about a decade later. Dick and a half liter. Tell us a little bit more about Harvey Milk and kiss. Listeners AREN'T FAMILIAR. Absolutely Harvey Milk was one of the first. Lgbtq folks elected to public office. He was elected the Board of supervisors the same legislative body. That is the city council sensitive San Francisco that Jose. Sorry ran for nineteen sixty one harvey. I ran nineteen seventy-three loss. Megan I seventy five also ran for the state legislature. Nineteen seventy six lost that race but eventually won the board of Supervisors Race in nineteen seventy seven and during that time. He became probably the most visible national. Lgbtq right leader. He was very active in the push back to the religious right resistance to lgbtq writes that was rising as reflected by the Miami Dade Ordinance Repeal Nineteen Seventy seven than Anita Bryant spearheaded and. There was a a law in Miami. Dade County that protected from discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation that was enacted by the local government who was repealed in a popular referendum and and their their religious right by the nineteen seventies was increasingly using these popular referendum to undo advances. Lgbtq RIGHTS. Harvey Milk was a part of Trying to oppose that opposition. Lgbtq writes in fact he famously was involved in a similar initiative in California that was defeated given his leadership. So I think he's important because he was one of the first not the first but one of the first openly Btu elected officials but he also had a national profile and had a unique brand of politics. That was a reflection I think of the new left progressivism the nineteen seventies. He was very much focused on the grass roots. He didn't like insider politics and he really fought in some ways the insider politics of emerging gay democratic establishment. At the time there were some of these so huge fights between he and other. Lgbtq activists over that and in fact they actually ran a candidate against him in in at least one election so he his unique brand of politics and that he was very focused on intersection. -ality working with other groups in San Francisco finding coalitions and the grassroots level. Emily focusing in grassroots politics and the made him a unique transitional political figure in the nineteen seventies and then he was assassinated tragically year later and that became an entire political issue itself because the person who assassinated him got a very lenient sentence and most scholars attribute that to the homophobia of Ero. What about the women you mentioned who were elected before him? What did they run for and get elected to? Yes Kathy Janko. She was a student at the University of Michigan when she ran for the Ann. Arbor City Council and she was elected. She was a member of this local Socialist Party. She was a a radical student at the time and had a very radical Marxist perspective on politics she ran on student issues affordable housing things like that and was elected in some ways out of the Blue. But it was. It was notable for being the first couple of other city council members in the city. Who had come out after their election earlier so she joins him other out open People on the city council but she was the first openly. Lgbtq person to be elected in the United States and that was a nineteen seventy four a few months later noble was elected to the Massachusetts legislature from a district in the Boston area and she had been obt rights activist locally in Boston had radio show and was involved in local. Lgbtq rights organizations and women's rights organizations. So she'd been activist and she was played more plugged into Lgbtq politics the time then. Catholicos Chanko was and that led to success For her the legislative level although she face enormous backlash personally and politically. She held her office for a couple of terms. And then there was a redistricting issue and she tried to make a run for the US Senate from Massachusetts and she s pretty poorly in a statewide primary but she's notable for being the first statewide office elected official Harvey Milk was from the city council. Essentially but she was from a state. Legislative seat had a seat at the state level government. Hey travelers do you want to save money on your next flight? Then pick up the phone and call. That's right call because the best prices are not online. They're with smartfares. See smartfares has special deals with the airlines. When they have unsold seats they use smartfares to fill them. So you get airline tickets at ridiculously low prices. Our prices are to low to publish online with the extra money. You'll save. You can book another trip for. Treat yourself to dinner or shopping so stop searching all of those travel sites to find the lowest price on your next flight. 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What are your thoughts about? What's going on now? With the trump administration. I think that relates to one of the big themes of encyclopedia and several of the articles and entries and that theme is the partisan divide on this issue that persist to this day. We just look at today. The number of elected officials in the country only about three percent of all the openly. Lgbtq elected officials in the country are Republicans. It's about twenty three out of seven hundred fifty six and that's not typical four other similar countries. There are conservative parties in Canada in the UK in other parts of Europe where a lot more openly LGBTQ members of those parties elected to office. The United States is unique in that its conservative. Party is probably more anti algae Q. Than other comparable countries and that has to do with the connection between the Republican Party and the religious ride. That goes back to the nineteen seventies that we discussed earlier. The trump administration is responding to a very powerful constituency in the party. The religious right that doesn't see. Lgbtq writes in any way as legitimate not just disagree with it but they're trying to roll back the very existence of policies. Why Range affronts by? They can control through administrative decision making and bureaucratic policy-making as well as trying to shape the courts in a more conservative direction to push back on advances that have been made and were made in the Obama Administration previous administrations and previous supreme courts to expand. Lgbtq rights and that fight is not going away. I don't see the Republican Party. In the near term changing that very strong anti lgbtq position there are individual Republicans who are very supportive of lgbtq rights. But they tend to be a minority in the party right now and I think it is quite striking that there are so few elected officials that are Republican. Lgbtq partially because candidates make self selecting decisions when they decide to run. They think themselves. Do I have a good chance of? Winning is worth the time is a worthy investment is worth a personal cost and it a calculated that they're Pari will not be receptive to their candidacy based on their identity. They probably won't run so there are a lot of reasons why we have this huge imbalance on hardest level between openly Q. Elected officials who are Democrats most of them the vast majority and a small minority who are Republicans. I think there's been a widing now age. I guess of transgender people. And I'm wondering if that has been good for that community or not I think it's been both positive and negative. Because on the positive side there have been more openly. Lgbtq people and Trans People in particular running for office. And we we've seen more recently Denecker Rome for instance in Virginia who was first elected in two thousand seventeen to the legislature. And she would just reelected. Recently a few weeks ago there were folks from Colorado L. Transgender people elected to state legislature city council members in. Minneapolis in two thousand seventeen. So we start to see more openly. Lgbt cute people in Particular Trans People running for office even being elected. That's much newer. There's more visibility on transgender rights issues. But there's OUGHTA pretty significant backlash to those issues so if we look at the range of LGBT rights issues probably. Lgbt issues are more support of these days than t issues than transgender shoes. So it is a situation where there's been some progress particularly recently and we've seen many more transgender candidates running for office and being elected but they're still a tremendous stigma and a lot of social anxiety about transgender rights. Issues trends issues in particular have been a poking point for the trump administration. Would you agree with that? I think so folks in the religious right who control a lot of Republican Party policy. Making these days don't see transgender people. As having a distinct identity or being ballad we recognize them policy and law the increasingly the backlash. The transgender rights is to deny that transgender people exist or they should exist and that is a fundamental religious view. That some people use scriptural passages to site but it is a foundational view of the religious right that transgender folks. People don't exist shouldn't exist. It's this whole debate is unnecessary and particularly legal protections unnecessary and those are grounded in very essential views about gender and gender roles that also laid the movement for lgbt rights. But it's being more pronounced these days. I think in the context of transgender rights. What are some of the policies for the Lgbtq community that you would support? I would support. I mean I generally support a range of pro. Lgbtq policies of Writes some issues are very important. Like gender marker changes allowing people to change their identification driver's licenses birth certificates relatively easily when they transition Nondiscrimination laws laws. That allow people students access to facilities based on their gender identity their range of policies that that are being enacted in more progressive states oppose a more conservative states are being contested. A Federal Court and State Court Salmon. There's an ongoing conversation about someone else. Important issues I think they're facing particularly the transgender community stays Illinois is one of those progressive states. Would you say yes? Guess recently has been and that wasn't always the case in the last decade so five or ten years it's been a more progressive state on a range of LGBTQ issues than it was earlier and that's a reflection of the demographic changes to the Trans Tour Democratic Party control the presence of openly Algebra Tq state legislators and local officials. All those things. Have I think contributed to your being a more progressive state on LGBTQ issues? They were outnumbered ready out equipped. They had no chance of winning but they had one huge advantage. General George Washington. The fate of unball millions will now depend undergone on the courage conduct with army. We have the results cocoa the leadership of one man L. Woman Nation today leadership can transform the world. Leadership is a new now. Pass it on from pass it on Dot Com my friends ask me why joined the Illinois Army National Guard? It's because of the educational benefits. I can go to any state. Funded school tuition free. 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These red light cameras have been a crux in the black and brown communities for years a lot of individuals have lost their cars Like cameras have not helped anyone in the communities. We we have a lot of work to do on reform and ethics and how we conduct ourselves this building over the next six weeks and this is not the right start to do it. Our young people need and as representative Willis said they want age and developmentally appropriate comprehensive and inclusive personal health and safety education and they need this education at the earliest grades and as a clear young person in southern Illinois. I learned nothing at all about people. Like about diverse sets Rowley's gender expression and gender identity not lawmakers trying to tackle red light cameras in the wake of a corruption investigation and sex education in schools. That's back on the legislative agenda as well. We'll talk about that and more coming up on State Week. I'm Shawn Crawford with me in the studios of NPR Illinois on the campus of the University of Springfield is Charlie Wheeler. He's an emeritus professor and former director of the Public Affairs Reporting Program at you. Is He's also a longtime statehouse reporter and observer with us from the State House is our statehouse editor Brian mackey and on the line with us today is Hannah. Meisel of the daily line hand. It's good to have you back on state week. Thanks for having me and I will start with you. Brian on this Red Light Camera Discussion. Let's go there first It's been in the news a lot in the last Several weeks months It's not always been a popular topic. Among many people. Many people think that red light cameras or urban onerous on motorists to begin with. And now we have some corruption that has shown up or regarding this industry as well. What are lawmakers trying to do this? There are a number of different efforts on red light cameras ranging from well let's just work around the edges and clean up some of the bad things that have happened but but still keep them largely as they are all the way to. Let's ban them. This is a failed experiment. We thought it was GONNA be about safety but it's really a cash. Grab this bill that passed out of the House. This week is somewhere in between Sponsored by Representative David McSweeney who is a Republican from Barrington hills? And it's a partial ban. It only applies to about half of the municipalities that can have red light cameras in Illinois. And they're not the big ones so it. Eleanor has this thing called home. Rule which is basically gives a local government more power to set its own laws particularly around taxes but in all kinds of different areas Its Own Ordinance. I should say. And it's any city with a population of greater than twenty five thousand. I think the threshold is or it could be smaller towns if they opt in so the certainly includes Chicago Naperville big cities like that but there are a number of smaller suburbs where the voters have given you know have voted to have home rule power there and what this re red light camera ban this limited one that passed the house it would apply to non home rule municipalities in Illinois. What is particularly notable about this? Bill is that it's one that has come up in these. As you mentioned Sean. These recent federal corruption investigations And it's apparently the one that that states senator former state Senator Martin Sandoval Killed because he was as he has pleaded guilty to he was on the payroll of a Red Light Camera Company. Brian not everybody in in all of Illinois knows what these red light cameras are certainly more prevalence in the upstate area. You know Chicago in that region Just give us a quick explanation. What they do. Yeah so this is a. It's a it's kind of camera with a computer device that sits up there next to on a red light and as a car comes into an intersection if the light's yellow and then that moment it turns red. It kinda takes a snapshot of the Intersection. And if one's vehicle is anywhere even over the white line you may not the. I think this was pitched originally as well. This is going to be for people who just kind of bolt through the red light ignoring it. Because they think they're more important than everyone else but what it's done is in snared people who are maybe making a right turn on red and they don't come to full complete stop fully behind the white line like most of US learned in driver's Ed. Instead you know the reality of driving is if you're in the middle of nowhere or it's the middle of the night and no one's around maybe a. Kinda come to a two mile an hour role as you kind of look around but the camera does not forgive in the camera. What it does is it. Takes a picture of your vehicle. It gets your license plate. It gets your face. Apparently human beings somewhere review this footage. But there's not a lot of forgiveness built into the system and then a ticket is mailed out these can be very expensive tickets and some lawmakers were saying people have lost their cars. They have lost the right to drive over these red light camera tickets. Hannah these are you know I've mentioned. We've mentioned the corruption angle. That's happened here more recently but these have been controversial from really from the start right. When red light cameras were first legalized in two thousand? Three Chicago was the first municipality to get them and then they were legalized for the rest of the state Few years later I believe like two thousand seven but pretty much right away. There were Issues with the cameras like Brian mentioned you know you're not necessarily catching people who are flagrantly. Driving through Red Lights. You're really trapping. People were just doing normal driving like I actually have a red light camera outstanding right now and I tried to appeal it and they came back with a big fat. Denial and I've had an easier time getting out of Some parking tickets trying to appeal them anyway but investigations by the Chicago Tribune. revealed a massive kickback scheme for the Chicago. Red Light Camera Program There's this Australian company called Flex and you know. Several people went to prison. Actually after several long years of investigations and federal indictments coming down on these people So there are undoubtedly unpopular however suburbs have the city of Chicago and suburbs have come to rely on them for revenues and even though the argument is always Oh. Well it's about safety. You know really the. It's because so much of some of these very small suburbs. A budgets have come to rely on this revenue and so in early January Controller Susana Mendoza. She announced that her office would no longer be acting as a debt collector for those suburbs of the city of Chicago does not actually rely on the controller but the cultural ever had for years been basically acting as a debt collection agency For people who were delinquent on paying their red light cameras and she said this was something that her off could do to kind of curb the the programs. Obviously it's a total ban. But she says she's doing her part and total ban bills like Ryan said Unlike this McSweeney bill they are coming down the pipeline And so I think momentum is building but these red light camera companies are pretty powerful and you know especially the pressure from suburban mayors. I think that's going to play a big role in whether or not we actually do see a ban this year. I think it's also worth noting here that you do here. The public safety argument however as the screws have been put to potentially these municipalities. They are being a little more open about the idea that this is a money issue for them as well and it's interesting Represented McSweeney pointed out in debate. I think it was a tribune story. From a number of years ago now where they had worked with a professor at Texas A and M and found some twenty two percent off to help my head Increase in rear end collisions. And I can tell you from personal experience when you're coming up on these intersections there well labeled there's a big sign and you can see the camera sitting up there and it does make you. Try to be hyper vigilant. But apparently people are slamming on the brakes to avoid crossing that white line and getting the ticket and therefore creating an increase in rear end collisions at these intersections. Shirley we heard the Susana Mendoza mention. There she's a Democrat David. Mcsweeney Republican Bipartisan effort may be against these To some extent and that's not surprising. This is this is the type of thing. Lawmakers loved him to get on because the fact that they aren't popular among the public. And anything you can you can do to show that You're you're doing something on the public's behalf at least you know that's the point they're trying to make your is. It'd be a popular one as I recall it. I think the vote in the house was eighty four. I four no now there were. What a couple of dozen people either voted or didn't vote at all but the fact that the only four no votes Shows how politically popular. This is. Now if I'm not mistaken it. It doesn't the red light cameras aren't approved for state wide use. We don't have any in Sangma. Connie for example. You're just the suburbs near. Yeah but puzzle and Metro East the two counties across the river from Saint Louis and they were originally sold. His hand has set as a safety measure. This is to Catch a was people who run through yellow lights in here in Springfield as you approach a intersection and the light is changing. If you you just stop and wait because you know somebody who's just getting a red light is going to go through on. I confess I've done that too. It's I guess. Part of the culture of driving in Springfield but in many instances and as matter of fact I believe one of the allegations against senator former senator sandoval was that he pressured people at the Department of Transportation to okay putting these red light cameras were. There was not the documentary evidence of traffic safety as being important in that particular intersection hand. I let me go back to one argument that I have heard made in support of these in the past. And that is that the free up officers for other work that Maybe there's limited resources on the police department and they can always have somebody sitting at every intersection just making sure people follow the law. So you know that there is that in some ways that they help in public safety in an overall way. Well I mean a lot of things A lot of technology a lot of automation They CLAIM TO FREE UP HUMAN CAPITAL. And of course paying someone to be an active police officer and of course later on paying their pension that is extremely expensive. But if you'RE GONNA IF YOU'RE GONNA say over we're going to improve public safety by doing this automation thing. I would hope that someone is on the other end actually reviewing the footage and calling balls and strikes in a fair way because again like a a lot of people are just ensnared in in the regular course of driving like normal people like people. You can't always stopped right at the white line. I think maybe my dad would disagree. But you know things just happen things. Come out of nowhere Sometimes the lights. The timing of the yellow light is off. I think the Tribune also had an investigation about that. Several years back but yellow lights. Yeah exactly yeah. This goes to a point I think is you can look at. I think there's a sort of almost a broader philosophical issue here and I'm reminded of that episode of Seinfeld George Costanza is driving and there were birds in the road and they're supposed to get out of the way right. We have a deal with the birds. When you're driving up. They fly out of the way. That's the deal. And they didn't and he ended up hitting a bunch of these birds and I kind of feel that is why we don't have a big brother traffic system. I mean with the smartphones. We have with the GPS technology. The I pass toll collection. It could be that if you get from one toll booth to the next or toll sensor. They don't really have as many booths anymore. But you know you could automatically get a ticket because you're not supposed to go from one hundred fifty nights straight one to sixty third street one X. amount of minutes and it could be that we could have these automated devices just issuing tickets left and right everywhere. But that's not the deal we have in our society. There's expected that most people will behave safely most of the time. If someone's doing something crazy or agree GIS like that. Spate of hundred mile an hour plus tickets. We heard that the state police was issuing think. We talked about that a few months ago. Fine that that's something that should be addressed. And that is worth investing the human capital of an actual state trooper police officer going out there to enforce that but I think that you know. There's a reason don't have a sort of totalitarian surveillance. State that monitors every every moment of driving compliance with the law. Just because as we were all saying I think that you know you have to allow just have a little more allowances for the ebb and flow of of everyday travel. And it's just not the society. I think any people wanna live in but when we all have autonomous vehicles we won't have to worry about it and let me let me move on. We did mention corruption involved with red light cameras. And there's a broader look at ethics in state government right. Now Hannah. There's a commission that's been formed has a lot of People who have been around government longtime who are involved with this commission. They've met met again this week. Anything going on with that at this point as far as we know of you know we're GonNa see legislation or are they singling out any type of area that they want to try to improve on. Yeah we've seen I think it's been five meetings of this drank commission on ethics and lobbying reform. They face a march thirty first deadline to present a report to the governor on in legislative leaders on suggested changes to state law to kind of root out corruption and tighten up other areas of ethics law. This the latest meeting. This week was mercifully of lot shorter than the other five. Almost five our meetings we've seen it was about like it can hold the elective office at the same time. I think especially those of us who are not a super familiar with like some of the tiny southwest suburban towns like when the FBI raided. Cook County Commissioner. Just Topolski's town In September everyone kind of learned that. Oh not only. Is He commissioner a Cook County? He's also the mayor of this tiny little town called summit similarly state Senator Steve Landeck. He's the mayor of Bridgeview and then we also have a newish state reps. That was sworn in last summer. A Republican from Rosemont Red Stevens. Who has been mayor of? Rosemont for about the last decade or so in his father had been the original mayor of Rosemont Donald Stevens. Donald Stevens Conventions are Rosemont for fifty years. And so they're basically. The commission heard like is it is inherently wrong is inherently bad and the Constitution and most of Illinois Statute has a pretty lousy fair approach as long as those two offices don't conflict than it's fine but of course it's what does conflict mean are their contracts to be had. Are there any number of things can come up? And so no one's really watching this thing. I think there was a question too representative from the attorney. General's office like. Are you guys being proactive? In the answer was will hay with eight thousand units of Local Government Illinois by far the most of any state in the nation. We can't really be watching all the time. There's just it's impossible and so this is the latest hearing there's been One touching on other areas of government ethics laws and. I guess we'll just see you. There's another month until that report is due and then I guess Legislation will have to come out of it. Let me move on as well because there's some other legislation with that. We've been following this week and I call it sex education at the start of the show. Brian but They've been giving it some different names and there are a couple of at least i. I don't want to call him competing Bills out there. But there's some different legislation that would try to accomplish some similar things. Yeah and they they refer to it as health education but I think that you know the emphasis is on what I think. Those of us who grew up a decade or so a plus ago would call sex education. And what is different about? What at least one of the big proposals. That got a lot of attention this week because of a news conference in the capital. It's called the reject won't get into the acronym but basically it would mandate comprehensive age appropriate sex or health education in public schools for Grades K through twelve and a couple of things are interesting about that one. If the idea is making it mandatory currently there's language in statute that says schools may have this. This would change it to schools shall have it and the idea of making it in all grades is something different and again. The they do emphasize there's age appropriateness so for kids in kindergarten through grade to it would be looking at things like personal safety. Identifying trusted adults the children's can go to and respecting each other as you get a little bit older grades three through five. There's more talk about healthy relationships and bullying and harassment Even getting into puberty body image sexual orientation gender identity gender expression things like that and then the as children really grow into young adults grades six through twelve. There's more talk about things like consent and harassment abuse violence as well as Contraception and medication and Sexually Transmitted Infections and how to prevent them so it would be comprehensive. There is another version of this legislation out there that would be all ages but would not have that mandatory component to it and I should add that parents at least under the first one would still have the right to opt their children out of this education if they did not want them to participate anytime you use the word mandatory. Even if he does have that opt out provisions. It's always going to be controversial. Yeah and I think that was one of the arguments raised by representatives of school districts. Who said you know? We don't disagree with the idea. We think this is very good and children should be educated in these areas in inappropriate way from the time they start school. But WHO'S GONNA pay for it is another unfunded mandate in school districts have? Lord. I don't know they. They have probably hundreds of them out there to teach this. Teach that do this do that. And the state lasers on them and then the state says. Yeah but we'RE NOT GONNA pay for you figure out how to pay for you gotta do but we're not going to help you financially on it and Brian I I would imagine. A lot of schools do similar types of Curriculum right now but it may not be laid out the way that that this bill requires at and it again. It does not have that requirement that all the schools offer something. Yeah in some schools may but we certainly heard about some that. Don't think that one of the voices we used at the top of the show was a high school senior named trae. Graham who identify as Queer in the news conference this week and said that they did not get any of this sort of education about their sexual identity and healthy relationships and that sort of thing so There may be schools that are doing parts of this but the aim here is to make it standardized and comprehensive across the state but school districts would be able to tailor their own curriculum correct. Yeah I don't have the language of the bill in front of me. I think there would be some of that but there is a lot of there are a number of things that are sort of like this shelby will include in touch on these various things. So I I think the idea is that you know if if for example hypothetically if there's a more you know conservative area the state where these issues are not discussed as much in public discourse. I think that that you know the aim is to make sure that education and Instruction is getting even into those places where people in the community might raise eyebrows about it. We've been watching the presidential race. Hearing a lot about prescription drug prices. There is a renewed effort at the Capitol to try to tackle these prices as well of medications and some lawmakers I believe they may have held a news conference on that this week right State REP WILL ALREADY CHICAGO. And our local state senator from Springfield Andy Manar around Springfield. I should say they teamed up last year to do a bill that basically kept insulin crisis and they're teaming up again to try to create a state a new State Board. That would basically say to drum companies. Hey this is the Max the upper limit that Illinois will pay for you know x drug and go through a list of drugs that People depend on and You know they say it's not like mandatory that the drug companies would charge less than that. But you know there's a certain element of the the power of shame saying like okay we are. We're saying that Illinois are not going to pay more than this and if this drug company does indeed charge Illinois ins that much than public pressure and then also part of their bill would be Creating some sort of commission that would study the issue. Like we've see all the time we're GONNA have a blue ribbon panel to study the issue but this is really a big deal and I I. I've heard about a couple of other bills. Coming on the pipeline. That would try to reign. In the cross. Prescription drugs will already tried to do similar things last year. But you know we were already doing a whole lot in springfield and but this is a perennial issue and especially as the debate over Healthcare in general redesigned in the president at Democratic presidential race. This is just a hot topic because it really really does affect people's lives and really only about a minute here left handed but I remember in the past. There was discussions about drug buying clubs. Where maybe the state would negotiate drug prices? All of that type of thing. We're not they're not talking about getting into things like that at this point. I've heard of importation bill that would basically legalize formalize away that the state could buy drugs from other countries like Canada. But there are safety concerns with that and even some of the groups that you would think the onboard with that. Bill are really odd because I got safety concerns. Let's go to our notes from the Field Shirley. Let's start with you. The Attorney Registration Disciplinary Commission is moving to Disbar Rod Blagojevich. Now you might think we'll didn't he lose his law license when he was convicted No because the way it works is his law. License was suspended until all his appeals. Run out and his appeals ran out and the commission which oversees the disciplinary actions involving the legal profession is now moving to disbar him and it's likely that occur although takes several months after they have they had a hearing this week in after the hearing it takes several months ago. You know to make the decision but not to worry because Blagojevich is now offering videotaped messages for sale through a website. And if you WANNA pay fifty bucks seventy five bucks one hundred bucks. You could get rich to Lucia happy birthday to one of your best friends or maybe one of you were standing. Me's if you're looking for gift idea and Hannah it's kind of a legacy thing now but of course a political organizations especially in Chicago Thrive on Legacy so the Thirteenth Ward Organization. Which of course is house speaker? Bank Madigan's longtime word organization? Put out a palm card which is kind of like a piece of campaign literature that you hand out near polls saying like these are our preferred candidates it off. Cook County State's attorney Kim Fox and also a Metropolitan Water Reclamation district commissioner Kim dupleix who was also former state rep and so the palm port essentially left house. Two of the three black candidates black female candidates that the Cook County Democratic Party had slated and so people were left kind of scratching their heads. Unfortunately people were eager to talk to me about this earlier in the week. And then some They clammed up yesterday which I thought was very interesting and Brian as there has been more attention to getting a diverse range of people serving in office the Illinois Senate took a step this week to codifying. The idea that campaign funds can be used for childcare. As long as it's well someone who's doing governmental or political work spokesman for the State Board of elections says when it's been asked about this in the past it said it's okay to use campaign money in this way. This would just make sure that that is put into law. That's our time for this edition of State Week. Our panel included Charlie Wheeler Brian mackey. And Hannah Meisel of the daily line. Get A podcast of our show it. Npr Illinois dot org or to the NPR APP production. Assistance for the program was provided by Bob Meyer. I'm Shawn Crawford. You've been listening to state week. 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Ireland's Health Service has announced that it will transform the country's biggest sports stadium into a massive drive through corona virus testing site testing at the eighty thousand capacity croke. Park Stadium began Tuesday on an appointment. Only basis on Wednesday spokesperson for the Health Service. Executive said Croke Park is one of the designated testing centers for North Dublin. The mind unleash reports at with its massive football pitch and location in central Dublin. Croke Park is home do and headquarters of Gaelic football and the Gaelic Athletic Association given that no matches will be played at the Dublin. Venue anytime in the near future. The G. offered the national stadium as a site for dry through casting. These spread of the corona virus has disrupted or destroyed many things the airline industry the economy and any sense of normalcy. 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Lots of states and localities have their own. Mandatory rules aimed at sharply reducing social contacts and therefore the spread of the novel Corona Virus. This isn't about flattening the curve. So much is breaking it. The outbreak needs to be stopped before it spreads through the mass population. Because at any pace that is likely to overwhelm the capacity of the American medical system with patients and severe respiratory distress at the White House. Press briefings the tone is shifted sharply less time. Not Zero time is being spent on the president's grievances about his critics president trump who said on January twenty second. He was not at all worried about a pandemic set on March. Seventeen that he's felt. This was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic. Now let's bring in our left right and center panel always. I'm your center. I'm joined by rich lowry editor of National Review on the right and on the Left Elizabeth Bruyn New York Times. Hello Hi Dash. Dr Kavita joins us now. Kavita as a primary care internal a health policy researcher and senior fellow at the Brookings Institution. She was a health policy advisor in the Obama Administration. High Kavita. Hi there. Can you tell us what the outlook is for this in our hospitals? We've been seeing all these concerning reports. Did they have the equipment and staffing that they need to? They have enough masks gowns and the president was asked about this week and he basically said that's governor's job. We're not a shipping clerk. Go ask them. How ready are the hospitals? The hospitals are doing their level best to try to be prepared but honestly Josh. These are absolutely unprecedented times. Where even having almost all hospitals I know of a large and small have some sort of preparedness pandemic or otherwise disaster preparedness manual. But there's nothing like this in any manual that I've seen in order to tell people. Look we may have to convert our entire hospitals into corona virus wards that have respiratory isolation that require these incredibly cumbersome changes of your gowns and masks. Oh and by the way. You don't have enough of those masks gowns to change in to keep yourself healthy with the standards that we would recommend so they are especially in the hot spots the Coast California New York and in between Chicago etc. People are doing their best but they're really looking to guidance from peers private sector and where they can the federal government but the state is actually taking the lead. In many of these instances in the states are very understaffed and under resourced to provide the type of assistance. That hospitals need rich. I'm wondering what you make of the president's comments on this topic this week. I mean you know you you wrote some about the. The president's nationalism is not shining through here in the way that you would expect to two or that it ought to in a crisis like this. It seems weird for him to be basically saying you know not my job not my problem about some aspects of this because it's a crisis and it's everybody's problem but it's sort of especially the federal government's problem. Yeah and it's it's clear that these shortages exist and you have government officials denying that they exist and it makes no sense to me. That president one day would invoke this latest emergency declaration. That would allow the the emergency manufacturer of this stuff and the next day. Say Well we're not actually doing that until things get bad will I mean most of the country's shutdown? How bad just have to get before we we do this but one question I had for. Kavita is we've had all these. She referred to hospitals having all these plans. And we're all reading about these government reports over the years that had these alarming scenarios. And what would happen if a pandemic reached our shores so did did no one really stockpile anything you would think at least you. You would realize you need protective masks. At some sort of mass the military has a stockpile which it's going to feed into the civilian system which I assume will help somewhere along the line here but but I'm just wondering why there wasn't more of a strategic reserve of the stuff short a great question and when I participated in the h one n one planning in the White House. That's absolutely cut the conversation we had around the table. And that's why we have what's called the strategic national stockpile of to that point that there's actually a lot of classification of security around what exactly the numbers are but that stockpile was meant for one type of scenario just as an aside the three scenarios that most of the country had been planning for was either a cyber attack a pandemic attack or a direct military attack. And you can almost see where there's aspects of all three in the corona virus each hospital just as an actual building in kind of a functional unit also has kind of a backup to your point of reserves but really the the actual mass kind of force with which we have this virus coming. Addis in numbers. An AD IN CERTAIN PLACES. Overwhelming emergency rooms and systems was not something that anybody could really anticipate. So that's where we have a gap and and the strategic national stockpile by the way as Josh mentioned. Count this timeline. I mean recall that it has taken this long for the federal government to declare a federal emergency. Having if if we had moved that up earlier that would have mobilized not just our defense resources but some of that strategic national stockpile. Which I think what. You're referring to as well as the ability for the private sector to scale some of the production and do what they need to do in order to actually deliver on these supplies. We we're getting a lot of mixed messaging on who needs to be especially concerned about this virus they think at first it was widely Said and perhaps this was somewhat jocular but not completely that young people are immune. This is something older people need to worry about. We heard about High school students calling it the boomer remover particularly callous But there's been quite a bit of of a writing now that you know there are Younger people being hospitalized in critical condition you know as we get ready To to face this and people were making decisions when they're not feeling well about whether they need to go to a hospital or not What should we make these conflicting reports? And who should really head to the hospital? When they're not feeling well Greg question. And here's here's just a little of the context The World Health Organization along with the CDC basically released on American patients that approximately forty percent of hospitalized patients were somewhere between the ages of twenty and fifty four to your point kind of under that demographic that we largely been quoting based off of data from China that showed that the majority of hospitalizations or serious illness were really in patients. Older than fifty. So you're absolutely right to say that it feels like we're getting conflicting information and from a science perspective. It's hard to know whether this is really a function of the fact that in the American hospital systems we actually do a pretty good job of being aggressive. Once someone comes in the doors and we are trying to get this earlier when possible and recognize it or is it also something about the virus. It's changing and the people we thought were able to pass this without having symptoms. Children are now showing symptoms. It's not clear and what I would say. Just as a practical matter of advice to any listener is that now. We do have a lot more of this quote unquote telemedicine capacity. You're seeing almost every physician and every insurance company allowing for these visits much more liberally than they had before where there were restrictions. I would say. Do not hesitate to reach out to a health professional. Do not go to an emergency room. Unless you're actually feeling like you are truly ill not able to leave and that you feel like you're you really do need to have a doctor or a nurse physically evaluate you and I would highly encourage people have been saying we'll children aren't going to get this and we know even from China that that's not true. We know that children have a lower death rate but children do get this illness so just as a practical matter if you have a fever whether you're a child or an adult and you might ask what's a fever Most of us in the medical profession would constitute a fever for an adult. At least one hundred point five And then some pediatricians would say anywhere as low as ninety nine point five but one hundred point five or higher and if all you have is a fever and nothing else still call a health professional and monitor yourself and then practically speaking if you're starting to get symptoms of any kind and you've had known contact Intel. You can actually get to a health professional either by telephone person. Strongly encourage you to practice. But I would call self-isolation if you're in a household and that means having one bathroom or wiping down surfaces that you share with others and that added that we've been using frequent hand washing Kavita. The president on Thursday spoke about some ongoing drug trials in the FDA commissioner also spoke at the White House daily briefing on Corona Virus and. The president was painting this as as really promising. Some not not just about you know a vaccine that could be quite a ways off but some existing drugs that are already used for the treatment of other conditions. There are trials looking at whether those can be effective against the crow virus. Can you give us a sense? How promising are those trials? And if some of those treatments are effective. How long would it take for them to be widely available for treatment in the United States? Sure and and and just to level set of the president spoke I think. And here's another example where I think. Unfortunately it's caused a bit of confusion because he referenced not just some of the new trials that are promising in both vaccine front as well as a potential treatment front but he also made a reference to some older drugs that have been around for decades. One of which for example is used for malaria. Unfortunately that's all anecdotal The only existing trials that are in place to leading pharmaceutical manufacturers. Gilead and regeneration have Trials in place for a potential treatment. And it's an antibody mediated treatment. That means that it's taking kind of immunity based cells and actually targeting a mechanism that we believe is what's causing this devastating illness and corona virus. And they are because of the work for these exact same molecules in Ebola. They are able to actually kind of go through this trial process a little bit faster not because there are short cutting things but they are able to get us into what we're calling phase two and three clinical trials and there should be early clinical readouts early clinical readouts in about three months. Potentially a little longer so that does give me some silver lining again. That is a far cry from Sane. Yes America has access to a treatment but we think that these could be potential opportunities for the most ill so I can't stress that enough. This is not going to be something you know that we can. Just go and get an call in and pick up at our local pharmacy. This is really going to be reserved for seriously. Ill patients the vaccine as you may have heard Dr Out. She has mentioned this from the