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Survivor 39 Preview: 7 Things You Need to Know About Island of the Idols

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Survivor 39 Preview: 7 Things You Need to Know About Island of the Idols

"Germany U <hes> from my I apart rob has a podcast and <hes> here's the guy who's about to learn what the heck is is going on with season thirty nine of survivor. I am Rob Sister Nino and hello welcome to the survivor preseason we back and we are ready to go and I have a tag team. Duo of men who went out to Fiji to learn learn about everything that's going on. You can imagine giant paper towel heads of them right here. In the studio. Please please welcome Josh Wig Ler and Mr Mixmaster Mike Bloomer Rob. I'm so happy you put in the money to get get all that paper. Cover my nose on your giant bust of me. Is that really means a lot that you would go the extra mile just for that. I just can't believe that you couldn't pony pony up for the wombat replica for me and because it's just my giant head you couldn't even get mustard colored parachute short yes from rumble from the EPA uh-huh okay. I know you say you said tag team and it just made me sorely unhappy that Josh and I were ships in the night when it came to the royal rumble which is maybe maybe at the at the time that people are talking. That's another podcast. That's another podcast. That's from last week's Robin. Akiva need a podcast yeah. This is survivor lost to right. You're right. We most recently all recorded together on the brand steel simulation of of the season one of lost. Look put all that nonsense aside because this is. This is the main event we are. We are back talking about real. Will you say survivor coming up here. In just a matter of weeks. Jussia perhaps the most truncated preseason of all town certainly since I've been covering survivor as a reporter this is by far and away the shortest preseason and we're GONNA do the people in my mentions. Stop asking me about it. I told you once I'll tell you again. Donut me. Ah The decisions that are far above my pay grade but we're here. It's happening. It's real and I'm so delighted for for this this one for a number of reasons but primarily the primary reason has really nothing to do with survivor the season itself but the fact that I had a very exciting exceptional special co-pilot along the ride with me for this preseason and that was mixmaster. Mike himself making making his survivor preseason debut out there for Parade magazine and I am a proud papa bear of this order becoming a man at thirty nine. Yes yes Oh my God Mike. I'm just so thrilled to finally be able to talk about our adventure venture together. Yes so I mentioned this briefly. When we doted on survivor allender the idols at the end of edge of extinction when there was that thirty second promo during the reunion that made people who were saying what the heck is going on. Maybe add an exclamation point to the end of that question mark based on what was shown and Josh and I were able to go out there to Fiji to cover the pre season of survivor thirty nine my very first time going out there and and I mean I will say with no ounce of Sardonic mean whatsoever that it might have been one of the best experiences of my life. We're going to touch upon you know all the stuff that we got to do there. Were some really opportune moments. I think we've got to take advantage of over the course of this season in particular that makes it a bit different different from other seasons that Josh has been out of you know in the past but I mean I also couldn't have done it without this guy. We have many for gene honeymoon photos together uncomfortable get posted now that the embargo lifted but it has the embargo lifted on the secret texts that must have been exchanged between our respective lives who were serious with US reporting it up in Fiji especially as Angelo was very close to bringing asher bloom into the universe yeah. It's it's been such a long offseason at least in my pain especially sitting on misinformation for nearing six months of this point. I mean maybe it's because my son was born two weeks before edge of extinction and did but I don't know it seems like the past several months and not just because because of the truncated preseason but it's felt very long to me. I don't know if you guys feel the same way. Is that a real that your wife's text is. There is a little bit of correspondent. There was some while there's a different time schedule. I think we were trying to you know remain as much out of the Doghouse as the war your dog houses possibly be about dog house yeah but for the fact of the matter is you know we were across the world doing some pretty ridiculous things in Fiji Asia able to you know talk about it and talk about the fact that we were doing absolutely silly things together. We're going to be talking about over the we were cast roommates. We shared a room. We slumbered into Hot Fijian nights together. We had we had lots of lots of toxin and planning sessions and strategy sessions just great bonding moments that occurred between Mike Bloom before lost down. The hatch was even a twinkle in our collective active. I at that point Mike but you can we we've been on a great journey together this year and much of it blossomed and began here. You're on the island of the idols so it is it is our great pleasure to finally open the doors to this secret place and finally talk about it a little bit so let's set up what we're going to do here today. So Josh Mike have been out to Fiji. They were on location. They learned everything I myself. This is how I operate. I put my head in the sand. I try to learn as little as possible about future survivor seasons where wherever I can could help it because for me then it keeps it fresh as we go through it in the real time and so what we've done here today is. I'm in the blackout route. I have not followed anything survivor this morning and so I am going to learn and react to whatever Josh and my don't lie to me. Don't tell me like fake things. That aren't true. It's alive with you know don't do for that but I then I will get to react to the things that you were going to tell me and the listeners about this new season of survivor. I like okay. That sounds really fun and there's certainly a lot as well. Josh and I have come up together. <hes> it's a lot yeah seven things that we learned while going on set set for survivor island of the idol of it deals with the titular island itself some with Boston. Robin Sandra some with the cast Cetera so there's a lot to experience over the course of that week we we are in Fiji together and I'm happy to finally get into it as Joshua's alluded to yeah. Here's what I know. We have rob and Sandra are going to be there. I've been seen commercials for that and they're going to be coaches of players. That's that's from what I understand. That's the that's all I've got island. I think we you can start there and elaborate. I think is going to be easy enough to do and I will just begin by being a shameless and I will come out and say T- CHR DOT com slash survivor to plug my stuff and Mike. Where can people find your beautiful articles that you're writing about this season season parade dot com slash tag slash survivor and I'm also trying to come up with a hug page I think for everything island of the idols related because as we're GONNA be talking about near the end of this podcast? There's GonNa be a lot of coverage coming out from both our ways over the course of the these two plus weeks Saturday night articles really as as close for Mike Sake. That is pretty darn. Close the truth away from the number. You know I might give you the closest without going over here. You're you're you're still young and spry enough to to put out a volume that I will never be able to approach again. I can't wait to read it. I'm very loud so that volume does make sense okay all right. So what is number one. What is the number one on the list of the seven things. WE'RE GONNA learn here today. In this podcast well well. Let's start with as you guys mentioned what I think the survivor audience conventionally new or found out about island of the idols as of the end of May Boston Boston Rob Sandra twine are back sort of they're not playing the game and I cannot say this enough right Boston. Austin Robbins Sandra will not enter the game. They will not become players. This is not a big brother. Fourteen situation says it they're going to be serving as advisers for the entirety of the season living out there on the titular island of the idols and we'll get into you know what <hes> what exactly they're going to do in a little bit but I also want to mention that as well you know. Josh put up a great interview with Robin Sandra that we had the opportunity to go visit the idols yeah. which was I mean Josh? You can talk to your first reaction to this but this was a biggles shocker for me at least when we found out this was happening. Oh yeah no hugely really surprised you know one of the things that I was going to do when I got out there was I was gonNA. I was GONNA come to Jeff. PROBST and Matt Van wagged in with like a list of suggestions like all right. You guys need themes. I got themes the themes he wants themes AB- slinging themes at a discount and a free free of charge charge just ideas take them have them get away with extinction and start coming up with some things that you can do if you need ideas and I'm nowhere even in the realm of the vicinity of the closest approximation of the center of the list that I have anything resembling Boston Robin Sandra Diaz twine and their gigantic fricken head statues were secretly inhabiting an island that everybody would be going out to visit visit so when when I learned this information I did a lot of like the wand off caliber laughter directly Jeff Jeff probst space as I was. I was finding out this information for the first time because I was just I was astonished. I was shocked I was tickled by it and it was presented to me as basically like a sentient ghost island right like ghost island hinged on this <hes> this library of artifacts this like a haunted museum museum a spooky playground. If you will that is out there that's populated by all these different relics from survivor seasons past. There's really not a ton of that. Personality popped on the screen. I think and I think that the idea behind I o is making I have affectionately come to call it though type doubt it looks like a lower case. Ll which may also be appropriate literally getting high it was described to me sort of as a sentient ghost island ghost island with actual people representing that personality and they're being this really whimsical bent to it and having Robin Sandra out there living it up ah talking the talk walk the walk and a lot of Boston rob. Ghost in evolution strategy also yet to be net seriously really. Do we have any we've ever had goes to Sandra. We did not we did not have Sanchez goes. We did have Boston Rob's ghost. We had Boston Guide as well if I call and both of these things have kind of come true he did. This less predicted it. This is another action. That's like the simpsons wins. Did it of audio because if you record for three hundred hours you're bound to today. I want to circle back to what you said about Robin Sandra AH coaches they will not be players because and you you sound adamant about this which puts me at ease because that's my biggest concern going into this this because I remember big brother fourteen very well we just revisited with Dalton Ross's oral history of dance funeral. Josh doesn't know what any of this this is. Josh back in big brother fourteen what happened was there were coaches in big brother fourteen and it was. Mike Boogie and it was Dan and it was Britney Janelle and they were coaches and Russell's brother was there and so as psychosis son and there was three people on each team and then they had one night where I don't know if America's was an America's choice which activated this but the coaches were allowed to go into the diary room and push a reset reset button and if anybody push the reset button then they would come into the game. All the coaches would come into the game. I think that everybody did it except for Mike Boogie and and then all of a sudden the coaches were players and that was my big concern coming into this but Mike you say on your this. You've you feel good about this. If Robin Aubin Sandra come back into the game I will guts. I mean I'd said swearing on your son about it. I just interrupt not really quick. Mike is what I would say is that Jeff said that very directly that Robin Sandra are not playing that they will not be playing that they are not eligible eligible for the million dollars on this season. They are not players this season and Boston rob. I've checked the transcript had said him and Sandra said ahead on on multiple occasions and we'll be here all the way and they can't vote us out this time so at the very least they have said to us there will not be any game in game playable appearances from Robin Sandra whether or not we've been lied to is another question but I you'll stripe feel strongly like Mike. Perhaps not not quite as strongly but it'd be very very disappointed. If we had been lied to lied is maybe tricked. Try Simpler support thing. I'd be very to be tricked out this year. I feel I feel like we were told in as as upfront away as humanly possible that I would feel like by trust had been violated. If this is revoked to my understanding as well they are not playing the game in terms of a comparison to another survivor ever season. I know we're going a bit international here. But the fifth season of survivor South Africa did probably what was the closest equivalent to this twisted. Even then it's it's still very different where they had to try and each one was captain by their own captain of sports they brought in Renzo. No unfortunately ought but that would have been fantastic they brought in to elites. South African athletes to serve as the coach of each of their tribes. They couldn't vote and they couldn't be voted it out but they still did everything else. In the game they competed in challenges etc Boston. Robin Sandra also cannot vote and cannot be voted out but they're not competing in challenges. There's no robs tribe and Sandra's tribe. They're going to be working together and living together on this island of the idols and that's the other big thing as well is as mentioned before Rob Rob. I think said directly to us. If we're going to talk the talk we need to walk the walk and Josh. I walked in on them. Constructing shelter even toughing it out getting back to their survivor survivor routes to make sure that they got nice ready to a hosted survivor boot camp of sorts wider robin. Sandra need to live on an island one one of the things that rob said we like it though it's Kinda sick but I missed this <hes> so it's like it's like a compulsion much like lost. The Ireland called back to him and he knew he was going to do he wanted to do it. The real way Sandra agreed he he is crazy like that because I know that there was a poker tournament in the Bahamas like a maybe like back in January and rob was trying to go and he was saying on twitter that he would live outside on the beach if they let him if they got him into the poker tournament and he was like asking people to re a tweet that he would. They didn't have to pay he. He would like live on the beach there. I forgot which which island it was on and he would he would live outside. I don't think he ended up doing that but maybe he was getting ready to then go back to go to Fiji and live out their practice. VR VR for B. R. and there are there are some of fun. I'm going to come up in a couple of days with an interview that I did with Robin Sandra as well and they have fun cover stories. I believe Sandra told her work that she was stationed in Germany. Any while rob didn't tell he told amber but you didn't tell us kids. He told his kids that he was going to be in Australia on a contract job so I'll be very intrigued to see standards workplace replace and Robs Children React to the actual revelation that they're on the season will surprise just a bit as well the players as well route which were <hes> which we'll definitely get into these future points okay point number two number two and maybe should have been point number one but it's been the talking point ever since we saw the final shot of that teaser back in. May there are two gigantic heads of Boston Robin Sandra in Fiji Ruminate on that. Is there an idol inside either raw or Sandra's giant head yeah. There's gotta be right yeah. We know that but like now now that you're saying that you have to imagine that down Rob's throat Sandra's of the year. It's like double dare when you go into badly this. Is You know Jeff described him. You know I think a lot of analogies he said like survivor Mount Rushmore more Mount Olympus and this image. I think you create in your head when Jeff serve describing this concept to you josh mentioned before but really nothing could compare compare to when we pulled up to the island in that boat and we saw twenty foot bus of Boston rob and standard yet they could be sitting ring on Lucy's piano or Schroeder's piano from the peanuts. It's I mean. It's a master work in the art department at the same time. It is ludicrous. Keep Cut <hes> snoopy reference yeah Monday comics but yeah I mean I will say I get up close. It's beautifully done. It's all made out of wood and sheet metal but it's also busted busted and Robert Sandra Yeah it's so ridiculous and like it was so it was one of the the great delights of of doing survivor preseason stuff is getting to have the Internet's reaction before the Internet gets to have its reaction. It's like much of like the same the same chatter that I saw on twitter when when the when the preview came out rob and Sandra marching out from the jungle with the with the statue gigantic fricken heads flanking them and then crossing their arms like bad asses and everybody's just like cracking up being like excuse me what is that was very very similar to our reactions when our boat rounded the corner yes. It was exactly that layer so it we rounded the corner and we saw from a distance on the boat lake. Wow Okay so they really did it. They really did it. I guess they like they. They like they like three. D. scanned their heads and all to do and when they tried to like Redo that painting and they get statue of Lucy and they and the soccer player and they completely bungled it like they made sure to get a realistic scan of Modern Day Boston Robin Sandra so they created the best facsimile possible people given the material so one of the things I like about survivor always being in Fiji for the foreseeable future is I think that they should finish out about the survivor or mount rushmore and keep it but I think that this should be like a permanent fixture in all of the like. I don't know you want to move those to tribal council after the season but I like it. I know people really don't like the heads doesn't bother me. I think it's hysterical. I put it in tribal council and then make Gazelle Tar statue go to Boston Robinson. Please give me an idol. <hes> you know that's. That's my wish. Your wishes granted smart the Mike but yeah I mean it's it's a fantastic thing to drive into. I BELIEVE WE'RE GONNA get into people getting to send to island to the idols in a little bit but I believe when when people actually get dropped off they're not gonNA dropped off directly in front of the statues like we were then. They'RE GONNA be dropped off down the beach so they can have the walking down the beach and seeing <music> but it also ties into one thing that I actually really like about island of the idols is reminds me a bit of like we've all heard those the bill Murray folklore right. We're Bill Maher here. We'll do things like steal. Someone's fries or like a shake. Someone's hand at a urinal and then whisper to someone's ear like nobody's ever going to believe this. Who's going to come back from this and described the people how they went to an island flanked by two giant statues of Boston Robin Sandra and who do things actually going to believe them when they tell them this fish tale tail yeah I think we should we should talk that through. We should talk through a little bit of POW island of the idols works because that element of like how much to share and and what to hold onto as a secret and what kinds of stories you want to tell to your tribe mates I think is very central to the foundation of the season such such as the quote unquote survivor. God's conceived of it okay. Is this number three I before I just want to mention. One thing boss around. Now has a big head on his statue. Now we can okay can. I don't really like that little that giant be hat okay all right so point number three. Let's let's get into how islands of the idols is going to work so much like island twists in the past. Someone is going to be sent to the island of the idols titles now. Here's the catch and this is something that production really hammered home to us as well when they were talking through this twist with us. This is going to be probably probably one of the highest variance twists that the show has done. They really want to make sure that people are kept on their toes. In this season I think Manfred wagon something along the lines of you know to so much. There's so much survivor history that there's so much predictability that can occur and people have been able to accurately predict when things will happen so the method for example that someone gets sent to island of the idols is going to be completely different each every episode for the first episode it's going to be they're going to have their first immunity. Challenge the tribe that loses one person's gotta get picked at random to go and they're gonNA come back to their tribe before tribal council but it could be something completely lately different in the future so this person is going to get to island of the idols. They're gonNA see big Boston. Robin Sandra Aggressee Lil Boston Robin Sandra Come Outlook Louis. Why did I get a giant Statue Munchausen statue. She got a little stature yeah exactly but they're gonNA come out out there. Were GonNA describe like hey no reaction so stupid to say you're not dreaming. Dreaming Dreams Zing this is this is a this is island of the idols. Were your mentors. Where your teachers. We're going to teach you something for the first lesson for example. We're going to teach you how to make a fire and so this person's. GonNa basically spend an afternoon with Boston Robbins Sandra learning a lesson that can be applicable to survivor. The lesson can vary it can be something tangible like fire making or spearfishing or it can be something intangible like learning how to lie or learning in how to pin people against each other. It's going to vary I think. Is there a syllabus where then there's like a lesson plan so that's the thing. Jeff told me before going out there. They actually did a lot of correspondence with Robin Sandra and they basically said like Robin. Sandra have a very interesting role not only in that their mentors but they're sort of like producers of the island of the idols twist. They essentially asked them. What are some lessons that you feel are key for every survivor player to know they compiled the list sent to them and then they sort of created a syllabus. It's based on that so each week is going to be different lesson here and basically the person's going to learn that lesson and then there's going to be a test now. These these tests can vary the test can be physical in this the fire making example for instance the person's then the Robin Sandra are going to say all right. You know how to make a fire. Let's see if you can beat me in a fire making contest and so the first person go to island or the idols is going to get the opportunity to challenge rob in a fire making contest test if they passed this test in this particular instance they're going to get a Kris noble esque idol but they can use at that night's tribal council <hes> if lose they lose their vote so to Josh's point earlier about some almost humanizing ghost island it presents that you know <hes> opportunity risk reward type of deal but now I think it's a bit more fluid. You know they're not going to get there in Boston. Rob Hendry say no game today. There's going to be some sort of test best every single round here in the season okay. They're going to Boston Rob College. Yeah Okay so <music> indeed. This is going to take a lot of airtime this is I am concerned about this. Is this is a concern because we'll we'll we'll talk about it in a little while but it'll be worth reiterating that Mike and I didn't find out about Boston rob and Sandra and island of the idols until after we had interviewed everybody. We had no idea what the theme was. We certainly had no idea that we're about to be in the presence of Robin Sandra and we we love this cast like we've really had a great time talking to these people and when I found out about it I that that's where my head went as well. After after the initial shock wore off was like man. I really hope that this doesn't suck away too much airtime from these really really fun fantastic people. I think this is one of one of the best cast seasons dozens of survivor in in my tenure of doing this kind of thing and as long as that's not the case I think it's a really whimsical and fun idea. I think it will be interesting to see how they fit into a forty two minute episode of TV. I don't see why it should be any more or less distracting than an exile island sequence or redemption island sequence. I think especially if they're able to maybe cut down on reward challenges in addition to immunity challenges. I don't know if they're going to be able to do that <hes> uh-huh but I think if they can get creative lose the reward challenge. You got you got me. I'd rather see this thinner award challenge what might help the situation is again. Let's go back to variance because the tests in the prizes are also going to be different every time to the point where sometimes these tests don't even take place on island of the Idols Jeff game another example which might not come to fruition later on in this season unlike the fire making but let's say something like okay. We're GONNA teach you how to do his slide puzzle now. The next immunity challenge is going to have a slide puzzle at the end of it. Your test is to put yourself in that hero position and complete the slide puzzle if you do you get an advantage so sometimes it's going to be things where you have to take that lesson go back to camp institute them almost like an apply hi that lesson directly within the game to get the prize that you want to so there is a chance that we actually might not be spending that much time on the island of the idols. If there's not going to be stuff directly reckless happening in their game wise also the prizes all the advantages from what jeff tells me hopefully to avoid another advantage get and it could be especially in the beginning things like chickens or other cam items as well all right. Let's move onto. I am number four here because that's you know a lot happening. That's a lot that's that's. That's worth explaining number. Four is that the contestants are not gonNa have any idea about it because item number four is going to be the way that we start the this season and it's true to the nature of this twist very unconventional because we are not getting a marooning. These tribes are going to be voted to their individual. Digital camps dropped off and that's it knowing survivor Palau Survivor Fiji style. There's no jeff s introduction. There's just a beach. NFL flag that says island of the idols and that title is GonNa make their brains run rampant survivor all stars. We had no marooning. It was basically like that they they were all on our boats and they just brought us. They're like that's it that like what's what's there to guess you see on your your buff that it's all stars. I think the thing you yeah that's the question that's a question so it's like it's like all stars but they also know who each other are because they've been at Ponderosa. Don't really know who each other are but you know you can assume looking around. Who's on the other tribe but yeah? I mean I personally am very excited for this just because I love when they bought the marooning for survivors second chance Josh can only assume what that was like to encounter in the moment but if you look at the past several seasons we had thirty was marooning thirty two was marooning thirty three was was like a landlocked marooning thirty four was marooning thirty five marooning thirty six and thirty seven had these opening challenges and then thirty eight was marooning again. They WANNA keep people on their toes. It got to a point where and a few interviews that I did people were like yeah I already have my strategy of looking for the advantage on the boat and I'm excited when they find out that there there is no boat. There's just a beach. I'm not in love with Moore earnings so I think that's fine. I think anything that's going to get us to meeting people quicker. I'm happy about it and especially I believe that the premier's ninety minutes so it's a it's a ninety minute premiere. There's no marooning there will be some preamble. I'm sure the opening narration that Jeff Typically does I'm sure that we'll get like scenes of Robin Sandra early on on their own before whoever comes to visit them comes to visit them but with ninety minutes and no marooning. There's a lot of opportunity for an opportunity. There's a lot of chances for getting adding to really getting to know these players right from the start of the season and I think the Dow is something that was very helpful with David versus Goliath clearly a season that I have raved uh-huh yeah. We had a tribal council. I know yeah but I felt like that. Mirror allowed us to get like kind of like these individualized portrait's of so many of the different contestants in that run time and I think that that lack of a tribal council actually helped accentuate the plight of the David's there. There's the tribal council in this premier. We tell you that that there there will not be a MED EVAC in the first episode. We can tell you that bad weather to be found which was another Eh. I was very lucky at last year. I was on pins and needles. Thankfully we were all right very very fortunate in odd numbered the season. I believe me I've again. I constantly was looking in the mirror being like wig where you're really doing this to yourself again and thankfully the sun came out the whole way through but I think that that episode really allowed the personalities to shine and I'm optimistic that a ninety minute premiere without vowed marooning gives us an opportunity for barely character oriented first episode of the season which could really set the deck for the rest of the season even if I own the idols becomes a kind of a dominant presence. You'll have a better idea of WHO's going at WHO's going to be out of the Idelson. What's at stake there okay and I also want to talk about the title a little bit as well because what Jeff and Matt Van Wagon were hoping with this title is it is a little bit of a double entendre where I think when you look at island of the idols considering our modern survivor oriented brains brains you think Oh my God there's an island full of hidden immunity idols to be get sent to it. It's an on our island. What are we going to do when turns out no idols actually refers rob and Sandra they are the idols and so hopefully will also foster a little bit of paranoia these people early on and you know not so much about what what happens in the first few days but there definitely is a little bit of hesitation in there's going to be a lot of big fans that are playing this season and there were a little weirded out about not officially getting the game started by Jeff probst post to the point where they feel like they're in this weird purgatory allstate of like. Are we really playing survivor. If Jeff probst doesn't say playing survive well. What are they doing going. Slowly slowly insane is what we could tease from what bike and I observed when we visited the beaches one tribe camp in particular where where the bad this was was off the charts and it was the funniest tried visit I have ever done in my I think it's seven or eight seasons ends of getting out there on location. I don't remember but it was it was it was gut busting. Lee funny like outrageously so and a lot of it I think was was driven by the fact that these players are kind of like what the Hell's going on here quality so I think if they were trying to start paranoia from what we observed served anyway. <hes> mission accomplished so let's let's talk about this cast a little bit in this number five yes. This is number five because as Josh said and I mean I don't think either one of us can speak highly enough about these this group of twenty individuals look. I thought maybe I even biased because it was my first group but I think Josh Jeff mappin wagon seems like everybody across the board has been extremely happy with these twenty individuals who are going to be succumbing to the island of the idols and much more. I I said on a couple of times that I felt like I was cheating on David versus Goliath because I because I loved these people so much and we'd like the benefit of time and distance since I need I need Iowa prove to me that it could step up to the level of DVD. David versus Goliath itself has become a Goliath for me and Iowa is the David in this situation. Shen discount the David in this situation there there is a really ECLECTIC group people from a lot of different walks of life people with very very powerful stories of survival in their own right people. Who are Ho Larry Storytellers I mean I think that that will come across in the interviews. Mike did that. You'll you'll read on parade and the interviews that I did that. You'll you'll hear here on. Rob Has a podcast that there's some there's some really really really really articulate and funny emotional people on this cast. It's something who maybe aren't quite that but the vast majority of whom I we're really eloquent articulate story towers and I was hanging on most of their words the vast majority of their words yeah. I really interesting thing thing about this. CAST in general is obviously this is the first cast in the Post Lynn's film in era and I think with the news of you know her no longer working with the show I think that prompted a lot of paranoid feelings understandably so from the community because they said Lynn has brought so many fantastic over five hundred servive our players over the years present company included that have graced our television screens have become some of our favorite reality TV characters. I can personally you say from what I experienced. I don't think we need to lose sleep over it. I think that what they decided to go for here is a really as Josh said really interesting group. I actually talked with Jeff a little bit about the casting philosophy and he had something really interesting to say he said we changed our casting intentions several years ago to focus on story not so much somebody does as an occupation but what is your life experience about. Where are you in life right now. Where did you come from and where do do you see yourself going and why the survivor makes sense at this point in your life and I feel like no matter how you feel about the person across the board. Everyone had a different live story to tell. Some of them are absolutely out of this world. Some of them are maybe a bit more down to Earth and relatable but you can really tell even from talking to these people that as Josh says they're great story tellers and you can tell that they were cast further ability to talk about their life story and then simultaneously tie that into how they're going to play the game Mike. Do you have a favorite favorite among the cast. ooh. It is really tough but let me talk to you about some highlights of people that I really enjoyed and again. I really enjoy talking to everybody everybody. Maybe it's because I was a sucker that it was my first time out there by really legitimately just set like to sit around and talk to people before they played survivor especially with all the different backgrounds they come from from. I gotta start with Elaine Stott. She is a firecracker. She is consulting big. Yes she's a Kentucky woman and she's wearing she. Even though She Kentucky Woman She's wearing her own. Little be hat. A camouflage be hats. I'll be very excited if and when she meets Boston Rob and he gets to see the appreciation Asian and that she's a she's a pickup truck driver who works in a factory and she is just a one liner queen. I had so much fun with these interviews but I don't know if I laughed after as much as I did talking with Elaine and Joshua. No you really enjoyed her to. I loved Elaine <hes>. She killed me. I thought that she was so funny a lot of really funny people. Ronnie BARDA WHO's a professional poker player who who we just shot the shit for a little while before we even started talking to each other news the first person I spoke to the entire cast so he really set the tone for me. He was hysterical so many funny people so many people would like really incredibly captivating stories when when when you hear when you get the chance to hear my conversation with Missy Bird. I think that you are going to be glued to your seats is my prediction. She came in with a story that I could not have imagined in thousand years would be something that I'd be hearing. She just had an epic tale of survival that like impossible not that's root for as soon as you hear what she's been up against a lot of people that are that are of that mold in have these very personal reasons for being out there and a lot of people who've like Tad brushes with survivor survivor in the past and have nearly gotten out there already at this point and thought that their time had come and gone and now here they are and they have to pinch themselves and they can't believe it so a cast with a lot of stakes behind them for sure and not of the Omaha variety yeah and speaking of that I mean Jack Nicholson who had said and Jeff told us as well to that I mean he he was nearly on last season. He was nearly on edge of extinction and dude is a cut for like a joey amazing cost player in terms of he has long curly curly hair and has that beach body and so eight yeah maybe he invested in that program but he got to see firsthand like what that type of person how they're perceived and almost magnifying his head of like okay. I can't play like that. If I want to not get booted at the merge. I think that Vince is another really interesting story. This is a guy who almost has two different personalities. There's homeboy Vince and they're Stanford Vince Vince grew up in one of the poorest communities in California as part of a a very small minority community of Vietnamese people people and he goes on to Stanford where he learned to code switch. He learns to change his vernacular and his character to almost you know assimilate to the two different backgrounds the two different different worlds that he'd straddling and he is so much fun to talk to you. There's also some pseudo celebs on this cast. Josh mentioned Ronnie who had a little bit of run-ins. I think one of the biggest moments he's known for is. There's a youtube video where he was playing on a poker. TV show with John Rare actually and a former Miss Finland as I believe the former. Miss Finland completely bluffed him and cleaned him out when she was want to talk talk about so he totally you know wears on his lead. He's got a good sense of humor about himself. Yeah Yeah Elizabeth Basil is former Olympic swimmer. I believe she's a wants. It's a two time medalist. She's been to the past three Olympics and she does motivational speaking now but that's obviously know very well decorated athlete she joins the Pantheon antion of former Olympians who have been on my we'll see if she brings her. Brains Brawn beauty and blazing speed as well. Tom laidlaw is not only the R. I N. H. Former NHL survivor player but our first Canadian. Oh there's a lot of speculation. I know they officially opened up the casting. Ask Pool to Canadians last year and people were wondering okay. Are we going to get at least one on there and yeah we do. He is the oldest guy actually believe he might be the oldest guy who's plates. Joe Del Campo Yeah by far for sure. He thinks Joe Yeah I stakes lately great. Leave hours really funny to talk to you. You'll hear that in our interview as well but I ask them all sorts of stupid obnoxious sports questions 'cause. I don't know what I'm talking about and I have to have an opportunity to get the answers from a man who who knows but it was really funny. Talking talking to some of the it's a very diverse cast and a lot of people like seized on that and noted that as they were trying to surmise what the theme of the season was. There's is a question that I asked just about everybody. Like what do you think's going on out here and there were a couple of people who are like. I know they're like Canadians can be on the show. I think it was Jack who is like I I think it might be the US versus Canada so I'm trying to listen to people in here if I can hear any Canadian accents and I don't know what he was like really trying to hear that <hes> <hes> but it was a testament to the idea that the cast was it was drawn out very very well and very thoughtfully and very representative you've of a bunch of different slices of life to a point though that it would be really hard to to glean a theme just by looking at the room and I could tell oh you that literally not a single person got anywhere even close to identifying the theme of this season. The two between were either scholars versus athletes because the other big thing. Is this a jet cast. This might be one of the most like physically adept cast we have ever seen and they said that they didn't do that on purpose but like there's just a lot of big buff guys and a lot of really strong women as well so. I don't know maybe we'll see. Maybe that'll affect the way things things are done the challenge office. Maybe they'll up the toughness of the challenges. Make the like the Australian survivor like brutal physical stuff just to push them to their limits but there are the two things I think they really focused around. were either geography because there are a lot of people from the East Coast to season almost an inordinate amount a lot of Rhode Island Big Rhode Island represented representation interesting about this cast too is a lot of them are in major career transitions. You have molly by men who just went from being a teacher into law school. Kelly Cam went from the medical field to business school Nora Salman. I'm in made a big living in the financial world but now she's an entrepreneur in health and wellness Dean Kowalski when from teaching to sales and New York City one thing I love about this cast is like Jeff said. It's not necessarily about occupation. It's about your story where you'll get that first hand at two contestants charisma and Jason London who a lot of people. I'm sure when the castles comes out might be comparing to the man that we're talking to in terms of his look who's also another another fellow long islander as well but they're both personal injury attorneys. They have completely different stories. Krishna is somebody who came from this attritional Hindi household and you know I grew up in Philadelphia and then but when she married she moved to Texas had to completely up and her life moved down to Texas Texas is now doing survivor for herself as one of the first clinical selfish things. She's on her own life Jason. Is Somebody who you know. Seven years ago was working in a law firm said I don't like being on the bottom of the totem pole. Let me start my own thing and it's now build something from the ground up in New York City. So that's just a nice microcosm of love the number of stories and how different they are even if some professions or some locations might be the same. I really do feel like these twenty. People have a different story to tell and to echo echo job before I really hope they all get an opportunity to tell the story because I was genuinely gripped by all them all right looking forward to seeing all of these people at least in some in in some capacity whether they're taking tests or at least somewhere along the way full get to see more about all twenty these people all right what's number six my so number six despite you know the Gotcha that they do with the title of island of the idols there are still going to be idols but in a nice little prize for getting to be out there for this particular season. Josh and I actually had a bit of influence in the idols that at Lisa start the game so just you want to go into it so so much much they've been doing since since survivor for second chance since then. I think it was back then when protesters really out in front and saying idols no to idols are going to look the same. We're really trying to evolve the opportunities for people like is that a fake id or can you create a fake idol that maybe doesn't look like much but because some of these other title have looked like maybe they could be fake like it would be like a decent bluff. There's they're still trying to push that and still trying to play that so when we got out there it was before the game had begun they were in the process of trying to figure out which idols they were going to be planting at the Lyra invoke tribe camps and Mike and I were in the art department department with them and they said look at the arrangement of idols on the table which I think should go into the game and we picked an orange orange one and we picked a purple one and those are the idols that are in the game at least at the start and Mike. I think we determined that whoever finds the orange idol is my winner pick for the season and whoever finds the purple idol is your winter pick for the season yes so we are. We have no idea who are winter pixar. Yes we are completely throwing gene chance into the winter and saying you know if you're finding early on that's usually pretty good indicator of at least some success in the game and season called island of the idols. It's only appropriate appropriate that are winner picks revolve around idols. I believe we also coined them. Phil and Lil in honor of not only are nineties nostalgia loving a rugrats fascination but also the fact that you know Philip Shepherd War Orange and Redemption Island and wore purple when she was an outcast so I think it just has so money double entendre as much like the title of the season airtime so let me just so they have like a wall the ideals that could potentially go into the game. We knew they were they were they were looking they were still in the development process of like which which one works which one would which one is the one that should go into the game and they turned the question over to us. Nobody can get mad at you. Guys signed it. No no no no. Li timing sure they're somewhere. There's they're saying like you should have taken a sledgehammer to all of them. I know why didn't she stop them. Oh my God yeah I have regrets the town. The Art Department might have been we might have been recording this from like ourselves. It's in our maximum security prison for after learning survivor are GonNa make sure that people are like. I don't want you guys getting negative feedback. I mean thank you for trying to stop it. I'm very protective. I'm very protective of a I don't want anybody to get any sort of <hes> you know look. There is a nice array of idols on the table. I picked something that had like a very just like a very basic stringy texture with a lot of shells and beads and stuff on it and Mike picked one that has like a little purple necklaced Equa type of quality to it with some shells and stuff on idols. Mine was a bit more intricate because I think I'd had the logic of well. They're weaving palm fronds so maybe they'll think that it was just woman together and not real so we'll see if exactly our ten minutes of stammering and waiting to see which item we picks is. GonNa come to fruition and getting picked kicked out is real or if it gets thrown into the fire gets a little bit like at the end of Indiana Jones and the last crusade where <hes> you have to pick which pick which idle hopefully hopefully you chose. Wisely was a person in chainmail who was naming their next Jeff probst who was telling us if we chose wisely or it was intimidating when one dream teamer went up to the table I and Picton idle and disintegrated into ash fries that was that was pretty messed up to be honest. At least at least we literally survived it that was that was a nice little fun thing we got to a bonus in our season and that's going to segue into point number seven which is the coverage of this season and much like your opening line. Josh and I have decided to tag team a bit of our coverage so that <hes> you know people are going to be able to check out as much about everybody at once once so I'll throw it to you for Shash. If you WANNA preview exactly what you're doing with <hes> everyone listening pleasure over the next couple of weeks yeah well. I thought that it made sense instead. If if Mike and I were both the guys out there that you would have the opportunity you being the listener the survivor fan you'd have the opportunity to to meet different people at the same time so Mike's coverage is going to begin with the members of the Foci tribe. That's in purple and my coverage will start with the Lyra tribe in orange so you're getting a healthy dose of both tribes and at some point we will we will meet in the middle like ships in the night as we are as we are moving on with our coverage and you'll get a full oh spectrum of these people as far as the delivery mechanism for how you will hear my interviews. This is the part where I disappoint. Maybe twenty percent of the people who are listening. I feel like that. I don't know if that's generous or that's the one this year. The one will be here forever. I went out is not there is no. I won out this season not for lack of trying. Taryn and I had worked on it. He did a phenomenal job. I don't feel feel like I did. I tried really hard to come up with something that I thought was was worthy of that. I run out branding and life has gotten complicated and I just I couldn't didn't do it. I couldn't do it but you will still hear those interviews. Robin I are actually going to be getting together and presenting those interviews sorta similarly to how did the speed <hes> the speed dating for triple h for season thirty five. If you remember those podcasts it'll be a little more meat and potatoes. You'll still get all the interviews. It's just not coming with that same epic Fu presentation. I don't think I have that in me anymore. I hope you don't hate me for that and I hope that I'm just being overly cautious in all of these MEA culpas and apologies but I do feel really really bad about it. Josh we are very appreciative to have the interviews and even if it doesn't have some of the dressed up packaging or around it on first one out. We are all very much looking forward to hearing your interviews from location. I need th I just personally. It's being high-quality interviews. I think that you're going to like them. I think you're going to be happy with the content and it's just a little bit of bore survivable the ball manageable package for me so I hope you can forgive me for it and I and I hope that you like what you get to here and so I guess with my stuff to reference something. That's popped up in this podcast as much as well. I don't know why stuff from like fifteen. Seasons ago are popping up in season thirty nine but that's just how we're reminded. We all are so I'm I'm going to be bringing you survivor stuff every day every single day. I Will Not Sleep a wink until we reach the Premier of survivor island of the titles over at Parade Dot Com so starting tomorrow Tuesday September tenth. I'm going to be bringing at least one interview a day with a cast member number as Josh said <hes> we're GONNA be going with vocab- first and then over to Lyra and I'll be going alphabetically by first name so I'll start with a dance below and then we'll go oh from there. I had a lot of fun with those. Did you know a little bit potpourri questions a little bit questions based on their backgrounds but I hope everyone enjoys it was my first time out and I hope I did a good job of getting a good sense of who everybody is before they enter the game. The way it's going to work is it's going to be at least one interview day. <unk> Wednesdays Saturdays and Sundays because of the schedule are going to have to interviews a little bit of a a double feature. There's Wednesdays Saturday and Sunday yeah yeah exactly survivors on Wednesdays and then over the weekend. You'll get double the interviews just to make sure that we get to know everybody before we get into the premier additionally. I'll have an interview with Jeff and Matt talking about this twist. I'll have an interview with rob and Sandra for their new role as quote unquote idols titles and I'll finish things off the day of the cat on the day of the season premiere with a funny cast breakdown did with Jeff and Matt where we did some survivor superlatives Abbas which I love to do on the BNB to help her get into this cast and who we think is going to do certain things in the game so mixture. You're tuned into parade. I will publicize the hell out of it on my social media as well but yeah if you're in the mood for written an audio survivor content. You're going to get a lot of it in the next two plus weeks yeah so these are the things that you need to know about the survivor island of the idols and Mike is there or anything else that we should know today. I mean we pretty much touched upon a lot of our experienced. <hes> I will mention Josh National. I did get a little taste of survivor camp. We did go spearfishing. It went pretty well. Josh caught a fish and a clam mm-hmm which hopefully Monica did not hear that part of the podcast. We're not gonNA talk about it. We really thought he was a real ozzy. I think he did a great job there so we've got to vote on our on our survivors skills. Why will you know we indulge in some fish and other sea treats but no I mean some more stuff will come in over the next couple of weeks as to the specifics around these people and maybe a couple other things about this season as well but I cannot say enough about not only how much fun I got to have out there and how much I truly got to look at survivor from a completely slightly different angle which only enrich my enjoyment of the show but I mean it wouldn't have nearly he's been enjoyable without <hes>. You know this guy by my side so I'm very happy Tama the giant next to him in Rob Studio looking out upon survivor fans for the next several several weeks. Yes I agree it is it was it was honestly mostly. It was such a delight to be out there with with Mike and to to see your enthusiasm for everything unfolding really just like kept me very very joyful the entire trip and it was just it was one of the most hilarious weeks of my life largely because of Mike Bloom and I'm excited for you guys to listen to the stuff that I have for you. I'm really excited for you guys to read. Mike's Interviews. I got to see you do some interviews with some producers and stuff like I got to be a fly on the wall. You're an excellent interviewer. You're really you're really really good at what you do and I think that it's going to translate really really well and as somebody who once ran the survivor beat four parade rayed. It puts a big smile. It's in very it's in very good hands with Mike Bloom. I think Mike Bloom preseason. MVP BE GETS my vote and I'm I'm really excited to read everything that you read Josh so big. It feels like it belongs on island of the idols there. Yes they go all right. 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The Game of thrones Feedback Show | Season 8, Episode 02: A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms

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The Game of thrones Feedback Show | Season 8, Episode 02: A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms

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Check out truecar today. True cash offer not available in all areas. Game of thrones season eight episode number two is over. But we're just getting started opening up your feedback from this week's show here on the game of thrones post show recap. And now here that you guys who are comfortably podcasting from the crypts blow winter fell I am robs the street here with Josh wig ler. I hear it safe in the creates we'd my. We might have soup in braids. Search good acoustics down here in cribs hits. Crabby WI fi signal. Oh my goodness. Signals going to be pretty strong for the night king. Yeah. Yeah. Probably. Yeah. I'm sure we'll get into the crypts of it all in due due time here on this podcast. But in the meantime, I have to say I'm a little disappointed that you didn't start this podcast by officially night in me as night Astor of the seven microphones. That's right. Well, any podcast or night another podcast that it goes without saying how by the time. This series is done expecting some knifings around here. Yes. Call me a podcast, sir. Yeah. Podcasts. Oh my God. It's from podcast. Sure. I believe I remember correctly. Yes. Josh little no, no rule there that any night could night another night. I had no idea. But I'm glad that it's you know, it's not real then at least it was very convincing job. Why you think Jamie was just messing with not like he's messing with her? But like they're all going to die. She's never going to know. Do you think that Jamie actually did have the thirty to do that? I wonder I mean, they were all like at least a little bit sloshed. Right. So like, maybe just like half drunk, Jamie. And it's just like, you know, screw that. That's right. It's really it's such B S that Brienne Cam, I'm gonna Neider I'm gonna night or right now, you know, just like maybe it was something like that. Maybe he was just like half out of his mind and felt like it. Now's the time. Let's just do a bold move. He seemed a little dazed in the moment. Anyway, I don't know. I would have to go back, and I would have to look. Look through the book and see if a night can night another night. But it was a great night a great night of game of thrones. With the Brienne of it, all and so many fantastic things. Loved this episode fan fan excited to get into everything as we look backwards towards Sunday night, but we can't help. But look ahead to the battle that we are expecting in the forecast on what should be very cold and blustery winter night at winter fell on Sunday. Yeah. A lot no surprise that most of our feedback. I would say this forward-looking. I think there's this was a great episode. Another very talky episode of game of thrones. There's some things that happened this week that people are going to be writing in about maybe surprise people aren't writing in about some of the big standout moments of the episode as much as they are looking ahead. Like not a lot about Brienne not a ton about aria and gantry. But I think that. I think a lot of that speaks for itself. I think this was an episode written by Brian Cockman who is one of the longtime producers and writers on game of thrones. Where believe is often talked about as sort of like the walking talking Wikipedia, the Wikki of ice and fire on set a real true fan of the material and somebody who loves these characters deeply, and I take no surprise that coming from the mind of that particular writer that this was a a real love letter to the characters this episode end should come. As no surprise that. We have in episode with this kind of energy considering where we seem to be going episode three. It's the longest episode of the season. In terms of running times can be eighty two minutes long. It comes from Gail potch, Nick who is the director of hard home and battle of the bastards. So it's safe to assume that next week there. I don't I don't think that there's going to be any rugs being pulled out from under us in terms of the content and the structure of the episode. I do believe we are getting that wall to wall battle sequence not at the wall. But at Windsor foul so for. This one to be a lot more of a character. Rich intimate quiet affair makes a lot of sense to me. And makes just as much sense that most people are now wondering what's coming next. Where are we going after all of this? Okay. So it's a fischel to say that the table is set we are ready to eat. And so might be many of the whites as well. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe they're maybe they're going to be feasting on whatever what was cooking at the soup station that Davos was maybe for fermented crab. Maybe everybody's just going into this battle rock-hard. Yeah. They don't like boring snacks either the whites. No, they. That's right. True. Right. Okay. So Josh, we have been inundated with feedback questions of voicemails tweets talking about this. Of course that I would be remiss if I did not mention all of your outstanding coverage that you have filed so far today on the Hollywood reporter. Mr. T H, R dot com slash game of thrones. I anything in particular you want to highlight. Josh what have what have I done is just a question, I asked myself often, but what have I written about recap that's up on T HR dot com slash game of thrones wrote about the aria stuff wrote about the Brienza seen which I really loved. I've been doing a lot of the forward-looking stuff as well. I've written my predictions of who I think will die in this upcoming episode. I've written out all people that you say that you name. On that. You think will not make it out of this episode? You have the list handy. I do have handy. Yeah. You can just name them off you go. Josh wig layer is projecting the following characters. Do not make it to Monday. They are in Josh's particular order grey, worm misunder Giora more Moremon, the little girl Teela who went into the crypts Gillian and Sam I think either I know you like to stay on the odd numbers, but that feels like the not fair to baby Sam that he has to share with Kelly. Back. Maybe man selling yourself short. Aren't you just felt better for felt better? Varis you say well, not make it out. Deloris Ed the Loris ghost. Ghost is a supplemental. Goes should be somebody's plus one phone call. I got a lot of heat on Sunday night. I thought that was already dead. Yeah. Ghost is one of the only ones still kicking around. We'll talk about ghost. What time wackos Padre pain Serbian of tar Burke done dairy in theon, Andre joy and brand stark. Yeah. The brand the brand comes with a bit of an asterisk for for me as well. I think that we're going to get like some some obi-wan-kenobi hijinks going on with brand. Like, I think I think our time with with creepy stares directly into your soul is a Chem said right brand may be coming to an end. But I feel like brand wargin. Either into the we're would trees or working into a dragon and coursing through the veins of west roasts that way I feel like I thought brand will continue, but his physical form is about to take a take a hike. Okay. Joshua. Where do you want to kick off the feedback show this week? I mean, I think that that's. Kind of the topic. Does your the alongside the soup dish? Or that? Davos is serving is a lot of people who loved this episode, but a lot of questions about where we're going next, and this is from Surprenant of house Fizi who is very very helpful in rallying the realm and getting this feedback show together Brendan wrote in and said that I loved everything the show did to reinvest us with every character and the relationships to the story. And I think we're gonna lose a lot of people next week. There's only six characters I would guarantee our one hundred percent off the board is safe and going to live in that is Danny John Sansa Jamie to hound aria. And that's not even Tyrian. I would guarantee to make it out. A similar sentiment is expressed by Zach not Brooks Zach writes in and says overall, I really enjoyed episode two. It captures the build up a fear and uncertainty that occurs when entering any extraordinary situation. Let alone and all out war. Versus the dead. And I felt like the show provided some sort of closure for many of the main characters theon, Brienne, aria, Jamie, etc. I took it as the writers implying that everyone is now expendable from the hints that were provided in this episode. Who do you think gets got in episode three? So we've listed out. Rob who I think may go at this week. And I'm sure that I will be wrong on many if not most laps even all of those fix who. Are you looking at as unsafe ending into episode three who are the people that are paying the most on your radar? So I think that you did a really good job of capturing the people the candidates that are marked for Vic shin. But I think I'd be very surprised if we lost that number of characters. I mean, we still have three episodes left of the show. I'll be three extended length episodes of the show. So if we tied up that much on Sunday. I think that might be a little bit of a over promise. Yeah. One thing that I am thinking about and this is another another article. I wrote recently was there is such a fatalistic quality about episode three. And I think episode two does a lot of work to get us there. I think night at the seven kingdoms really makes us feel like we're being allowed some moments of happiness because this will be it in terms of happiness for the foreseeable future. And I think that's probably the likelier scenario. But I also started thinking about game of thrones has made a name for itself on killing off fan favorite characters and killing big characters and doing it in heartbreaking ways at unexpected times. But I think even even more than that what game of thrones became or why game of thrones became this insatiable. It became was. Because it would it would to borrow from big, brother. I believe this is a big brother. Prism is expect the unexpected. Right. That is the thing. And I think that that is more of the deal for me about when game of thrones is great. It's because they are offering something that makes a lot of sense on reflection. But maybe isn't your first instincts, and I've been saying for honestly like a year and a half or so now for for a little while for a couple of seasons, you know, from the from the jump of season seven, I would I would say that I feel like the endgame of game of thrones to some degree. There is an element of predictability about like certain characters who feel like they're going to go certain outcomes that feel like they're going to transpire, and who the hell am I to see that game of thrones is going to end predictably, and I think coming into this huge battle episode. I think we should expect we're going to lose people. There's just no way we're not gonna lose some people. But maybe we're not going to lose a crazy amount of people. Maybe we're not going to lose a lot of people. Maybe we're just going to lose a few key people and I was thinking back to season. Kevin. And I was thinking back to beyond the law episode that is not favored looked upon favor- favorably by a lot of people, and we went we went into that episode thing that a lot of people were going to get killed off. And really just throws of MIR's. The only guy who lose a bunch of red shirts, and then the big whammy of vissarion. And that's not even somebody that's on the radar to lose in an episode like that that's the windy. So what's the whammy heading into episode three this week? What would be the big unexpected turn? And I wonder if the big unexpected turn is maybe we win. Maybe me, maybe the white walkers get killed maybe the Nike and gets killed. Maybe we finish the white walkers threat here an episode three and the back half of the season is dealing with a whole bunch of other stuff. I don't think it's impossible. I think it's not terribly likely. But I think it's the kind of thing that we would not be expecting. And because of that it makes me wonder if that is what we should. Would expect like is that the unexpected that we should expect. That's a good theory. I maybe I mean, I don't know what it looks like for the show if they lose winter fell also so. You know, HBO has been releasing these twenty or so minute documentaries on YouTube every Monday after the episode, you should you seeking those out if you're already they're really entertaining. Very funny at times, really informative. Not just about story. Frankly, less about story than than it is informative about the production in the scale of the production. And they spent a lot of time in the one for this episode going into the grandeur details of what it took to bring the new sprawling set for winter fell to life. And it makes a lot of sense why they needed to grow and expand winter fell because episode three is obviously going to have to utilize a lot of different space. There's so much character work that's going to be going on with this big sprawling action scene. But are they going to invest all that money just to destroy a winner? Phil and episode three. Or are. We just gonna lose winter fell at episode three. Some wondering about it from that kind of meta perspective as well. I don't know. I don't know where I land on it. I think like gun to my head. I would say that we're gonna lose just because the odds are so firmly against us. And there's still so much time left on the clock up. And I just I just wonder and I wonder if it's worth wondering about what if we win. What if Tyrian is right? I think we might live. What if we do? Yeah. I mean, I think it's actually easier for me to envision the second half of the season. If they do win as opposed to view the second half of the season, if they lose the battle of winter fell for this call the battle of winter fell. What are we call this? There's no episode title yet, which is a nice lead into this. Next question. We'd gotten from berry who says I think it's pretty clear that at some point next week. The battle of winter fell will be lost with that. Do you think that one of the reasons the episode title has not been revealed yet is because next week's title is the fall of winter fell or maybe the first coming for the first episode of the season was called winter fell. What if the third episode was called see we told you winter down, or if it's like winter fell with fell underlined in bolted in italics is what about winter fell fell winter fell foul. I like that. I still miss the Ocho. The episode titles are not being revealed until after the episodes have aired that is just a rule that clearly is in place for this season. So there's no special reason that episode three hasn't had its title revealed anymore than why we didn't get them in the previous episodes. So nothing specific about episode three in so far, as you know, there's just that same sort of specific energy and guidance and. That same kind of rule that is sweeping this final season that they're really playing things ready close to the vest here. But I don't I don't know. I don't know what next week's episode will be called. But I do think the fall of winter fell would require, you know, really a massive calling the cast which is why we're going to lose people. I think we're gonna lose a lot. But if if not then like, I don't know because we have to get people to new places from there. And so what is that going to look like we're going to see people like on the kings road. We're going to see people on the open sea. We're going to be spending a lot of time in king's landing, and then suddenly will people show up there. So I kind of do agree that I almost feel like the rest of the season makes more sense. If maybe we win the battle of winter fell a large swath of white walkers and whites are destroyed, and maybe the night king is somehow able to escape and that remains a threat for the for the back off season. Yeah, I have seen a lot of traction for that idea. Perhaps the night king may not be with the infantry. Yeah. That's a question that we got from Chris from New York who wrote in and said, what do you think of the possibility that the night king won't actually show up to Windsor fill in the coming battle? It seems too simple that he would just show up for brand and exposed himself. Yikes. He could ride vegetarian to king's landing and destroy the red keep this would fulfill Danny's visions in the house of the undying where she saw a snow filled throne room with love to hear your thoughts and apologies for bringing up carp, which I we appreciate the apology. Yeah. I mean, I think that Danny walking through the throne room and snow being on the ground was not like a hallucination. It's not just a vision. That's that's the future. We have to see something caused that. And it could be the night king going to king's landing and blowing a hole through the great hall of the red keep and snow falling in that way. It could be. Some form of mad Queen generis going nuclear on king's landing and really coming for C that way and she's walking through snow Pakalitha Perron making. We know that it's Windsor in west rose anyway. So no white walkers required to cause the snowfall. I don't know. I feel like re episodes without the Nike would be a lot at this point. I feel like we're gonna get you're selling this episode. I I like it. You know, if that's the development that it takes. That's the turn it takes. I think it'll it'll be fun. But I think I'm just going to I'm going with the straightforward thing. And I think that the Nike is gonna show up personally. Yeah. I mean, I think it'd be a lot of f on brands face not gone tar, Gary, and but it would brands like, oh, no, he he I know what he wants. He wants me. And so I'll go over there. And then he'll he'll come and find me because that's what he wants. And then to find that that he not only does he not want brand. But he's nowhere to be found. I do think that for all knowing three eyed raven. I think that that is not a great spot on his resume. Feels like it would be good news for theon grades, ROY. Yeah. The night kings not there. You would think. So I feel like that's to me that to me though is. The reason why I would have a hard time selling. A big reason why I would have a hard time. Not seeing the night king showing up in this episode because I think that is a little on the nose right now that the I'm great joy is going to get killed. Yeah. Obviously like, I feel like putting a signing theon to the mission to guard the three eyed raven with the night came on the way really feels like us just like taking the team giving us a week to get ready for great joy to being viciously viciously killed. But I think it makes a lot of sensitive character. I think it makes a lot of sense for like the redemptive moment the full circle moment for theon to be. This was the guy who tried to capture. Windsor fell was a super coward about all that created a hell of his own making couldn't face down gray. Joy who at the time seemed like the worst monster in the world. He's now found his courage. He's found his inner strength, and we'll see him like go up against literally the deadliest creature and all of west rose with no fear. In his heart and get killed for it like that that feels like a fulfillment of the theon arc. So that to me is why feel like it would be a real misdirect to to not have the Nike income that. But I don't know maybe expect the unexpected I should listen to my own advice. What about Sansa theon romance? I did see a lot of chatter online about that. Fun to in this like when these game of thrones episodes are on there is like a lot of like sorting out the wheat from the chaff in of these internet theories. Yeah. I don't know. I don't see it. Honestly, I think that the stance are connected over the Ramsey stuff there, obviously, deeply bonded, they were both traumatized by the same individual. I think the on probably will be very excited to hear about how Santa fede Ramsey two dogs. I'm sure he's pumped about that that he's he's gonna joy that story quite a bit. But I didn't see any any real romance between him. I I saw kind of like a meeting of the minds between these two survivors, whose experiences meant a lot to each other. I don't see anything beyond that. I mean, there's so many articles on Twitter and theories, can I give you my least favorite or most favorite. If the all time worst denied, if I do you mind, if I mentioned what publication it's yeah. This comes to us. This was in one of my news aggregating today. This comes to us from elite daily elite not reading daily dot com. Elite daily dot com. Asks the question is are you the waif on game of thrones fans are speculating after seeing season eight episode two. God that would be the worst. That would be the worst is. So Harry, the waif wearing Arias face so complicated. Are you two are yet to has has returned and fall in desperately in love with injury. Is that what we're gonna lead she has these unexplained scars and also she did not seem to have any of the scarring from the stab wounds suffered at the hands of the wave. Let me add this wrinkle ready so aria is the wave Gandhari is aria. And this is this is a big game of faces that are playing right now. Came a fan. Apologies for bringing up the game of faces. Yes. Say boy, there's a game of thrones crackpot theory for everything. Yeah. Absolutely. And I apologize for my role in creating them. I'm sure I've made my fair share. This is a question we got from Kaelin who wanted WalMart talking about aria, not the wave Kaelin wrote in and said, do you think that Arias weapon that she had made is a dragon glass version of the same spirit that the night king killed the dragon with I know aria wasn't there beyond the wall. But it looks very similar to his spear. Maybe she'll use it to kill his ice. Dragon. Why is there so much focus on Arias weapon? Like, what is that going to do? That's clearly going to play some barely major role in everything that's coming up next. Are you just going to be out on the front lines? And we need to see her outfitted with a weapon that she can take out some of the whites. Yeah. Maybe it's just because we're going to have just a copious amounts of awesome, highly giftable Arya stark killing mile that we needed a reason for aria and Genry to have a bunch of scenes together. So here are the blueprints for this thing. I want you to make what's it for? I'll tell you later, I'll deliver it to you. So it might just be sort of like the macguffin to have our Ian Hendry in the same place. What do we think is the ultimate goal of getting REM gantry together in this way? Is it just because like here's a moment of humanity, and like being a teenager and being a human being again for aria where she like actually gets experience some measure of love for the first time in a long while or is there going to be some greater purpose is this going to be we know way way way back in the very beginning of the show net in Robert in the crypts and. Robert saying, you've got us, son. Or you've got a daughter. I've got a son. We'll join our houses is this the fulfillment of that prophecy, or is that too happy of an ending is there is there some sort of curveball that we're in by that. I'd buy the Gandhari in aria end up together at the end of this thing, and sort of the people who stark and Barath, Ian who do end up together. I'm more bullish on aria coming out of this. And now that she's found Gandhari, I do think that there will be a happy ending for aria and Gandhari, man. Yeah. I hope you're right. I I would love that. That would make me happy. I was very I was very happy for them. I thought that was great. I thought I was painting. This is certainly jarring because we've grown up with aria but other than that. And it was it was it was very nice to see these people have a moment of happiness before the whole world about the start ending. And I still do think that somehow Arias not gonna make an out of this. So she's able to have some happiness before the show is all from. I'm happy about that. She didn't look like she had. Happiness. She seems like she's like fine. I like killing people more. She prefers killing people. She prefers that kind of slaying. How about how about aria and a different character as a non-romantic pair? But as a pair nonetheless, we bring in our first voice mail, and let us summon Jason in Alberta. Who has a question about Arias stark, sir? Josh, sir. Robert Jason calling from grand prix Alberta. I've a lukewarm take on the upcoming game of thrones episode. I think that there's a good chance Arya and the hound both survive. I think we're getting set up here for them to team up again and head south to king's landing. An Oakland gain bowl is a real slump Dunkin something we should all be expecting looking or two, but you know, Josh's sorry John's going to get his big bat on the battlefield. But I think aria still needs a really high profile assassination on her resume before the end of the series. And I can't think of anyone better than, sir. C lancaster. So I think that's going to be a super satisfying thing to happen. If we go that direction. But that's my prediction really hoping follows through. Thanks so much guys. We'll talk again soon. We'll talk to you right now. How that how about that? I, you know, whether or not he is going to be the one who gets to kill C land starting that. I think that's certainly still in the air. I think the fact that that's still in the air makes me feel like aria is really likely to survive this particular battle. But I would say the fact that we have had no trace of the king's landing stuff for a full episode now, and we're very likely not going to get much if any king's landing until maybe like the very end of the episode here an episode three that I would say I'd say hound is just about like, the safest character this week. I like he could get hurt. He could get injured. He could be like momentarily killed and Barrick done dairy into back to life, but he will be alive by the end of the episode or at the very least will be alive again at some point down the line. But the mountain, by the way the night king. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I. I think the game ball. There's no chance at that's happening this week. And if there's no chance of it happening this week and hounds gotta make it at least one more week. Yeah. I don't think that we are going to get a season four style like road to king's landing with Arya and the hound though. That'd be great. But I think that not only have that kind of time. Well, the the way that I think that we would see something like that is if this battle ends with everybody just getting wrecked, you know, and Windsor fellas a disaster and people escape, however, they can escape like some people can can get out of there via dragon like John deniro skin droop or some people out of and or fiancee's toast, but he had a great joy ship that wasn't terribly far away. Davos is able to smuggle a bunch of people out of there. They can they can hit the road that way or some people leave on foot, and that could be aria in the hound, and you could get some kind of rekindling of the road show that way episode. Four is directed by the same guy who directed. The first two episodes of this season already David nutter who also directed reins of Casamayor a bunch of other episodes along the way here on game of thrones. He seems to be the guy that they call in for this kind of intense character work, I can imagine the scenario where episode four is a little bit of that battle of winter fell fall out that is setting the table, which was a very triggering phrase. I guess for people in the game of thrones community right now, but could be setting the table for the really big endgame battle that could take place in episode five like at king's landing or something like that. So that could be the way that we could find ourselves in an RN hound Russia. What would be the urgency of the forces that survive a battle at winter fell to get on the move and hit king's landing right away. I think that is the argument for the night king going to king's landing as opposed to winter fell that maybe like they're able to catch wind of that. And they're. Like, we gotta go south. You've got a head that way. There's also Jamie Lancaster, showing up and saying, yes, sir. He's not coming. And she's she's amassing a forest to come and get us. So we'd probably want to think about doing something about that. So I feel like a lot of attention could be set on king's landing due to the fact that they know that the problem is real and just kind of like thinking that through a little bit more like it makes me more inclined to think that maybe at least a rate or should of the whitewater threat could be dealt with here in this coming episode because once that's done. Jamie Lancaster who promised to fight for the living like maybe that promises fulfilled. And now his loyalties are tested once again with well, what do I do now in my wife would these people who I just spent the night drinking with and being best friends with and clearly I'm in love with Brienne of tars. And do I stick with them? Or do I go back to surf daddy? So I feel like there's there's a lot of drama in the whitewater is being mostly. Handled here with maybe a little bit of residual impact. Still to be felt while a lot of attention is being set on sir c and dealing with the king's landing threat in the in the back half of the season. Do you think that we have Lancaster appearance in this episode coming up on Sunday all only if there is the like this night king theory if that comes true if there's something about that? And like the attention turns to king's landing, otherwise, I think structurally, and this is something that we've gotten a lot of questions about this one from Jack from Maryland. Who said do you think that the next episode is going to be all battle at Windsor foul, or do you think we have some king's landing story lines at the beginning? And I I don't think so I think that it will be all battled winter fell except maybe a sliver at the end. Like, I think that there could be a bit at the end Zach. Yes. Brooks had written in and had had a theory about how that could play out. He had written since we got no king's landing and won't get any next week. Almost for sure maybe we're going to get a time jump after the battle winter fell that way, we'll get a lot. Of changes in king's landing and a more pregnant certainty. I think that could be compelling. I think that some kind of final season time jump could be compelling. I've been kind of feeling like something like that might happen for the final episode of the show, but that could get us from from winter fell to king's landing in time for episodes or and five hundred. Yeah. I do think that that is an interesting possibility. Yeah. Yeah. Worth considering at the very least. Okay. All right before we go any further with our feedback. Let me take a moment. Thank our sponsor for our game with Ron's feedback show and those are friends over at blue diamond almonds, and if you're watching game of thrones. 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Where are we going next? Well, how about we follow? How about we folk Yuli and Teela not to Keila to the crypt to the crypts of winter Fash for shot of love, lots of lots of questions about about the frequent repetition of this fact that it is safest in the crypts of winter fell. Gary basement is the safest place for everybody. I'm game of thrones. Let's take this voice mail from rainbow to guide us in high. It's rainbow Rob's neighbor here a couple of questions that some friends of mine. Not even my theory brought to my attention. But. They are in the crypt. So does that mean that are they all burned down there or do they be revived? And then have to actually the little girl. That's would have to defend the crypt will have to do that those very touching part, by the way. And the other thing is yeah, they're going yards going to the island. But I guess the Nike could fly dragon over the water and then burn them. All did. We think about that. Just a couple of questions for you. I love the podcast so much by our. First of all, let's let's just let's cross our fingers that the night can just raise the iron island. Maybe maybe the I'm like does some damage to some white walkers and the night king decides that theon is is new nemesis. So he flies straight to the destroys the iron islands. Yeah. Let's talk about the crypts because I think the theories pretty pretty well and fully out there right now. And this feels like another thing that is a slam dunk to to look forward to on episode three which is going to the crypts. They say it like no fewer than twenty times in the episode that the Crips are the safest place. It's away from the fighting. This is where you'll be anyone who is not a fighter is going to the crypts and not for nothing, but we had our stand. Diego wrote in and said, how bigger the crypts of winter foul because assuming they're even a few thousand people coming in from the largest kingdom in the realm. They would have to be thousands of women and children down there. And yet when we see John Danny right there before the battle DOE one. Is there so fair question? Just how large are the crypts slash are. They just going to love zone as soon as the battle begins. But though, the lords of winter fell previous stark lords stark ancestors, there's tons of bones in the crypts of Windsor fell. And now, I in retrospect to me, it makes a lot more sense. Why in season four's finale, we saw skeletons emerge from the ground is established the fact that that's the thing that can happen. I'm game of thrones. And that is the thing that's going to happen in episode three. If the final season, we're going to see like headless Ned is going to be trying to kill some of these people, and it's going to be massively messed up. Okay. Who do we lay the blame for this idea on is it -tarian? Is it brand is it? John snow shouldn't. Somebody have thought this through everybody. I don't know. I mean, I think John snow having seen what he has seen. I would tend to blame it on him. Except for the fact that like Johnston's a little bit of a dummy and his plans always had holes in them. So at least it's consistent with character. Maybe Sam Sam is the one who's sending Gillian baby Sam down into the crypt. So you don't think that maybe Sam would would maybe have thought that through a little bit brand has to take a lot of the blame here. Unless brands whole thing is like this thing is going to play out the way it's gonna play out. Right. Like if he can see bits of the future. And he just knows how this is all supposed to go. Then maybe in his mind, people are just supposed to get killed off in the crypts. I mean. Torment? We're at hard home. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think a lot of these people should probably be able to see this one a little bit easier than they than they seem to be seem to be seeing it. My question is like how does it play out? And how does it resolve Tyrian has been banished to the crypts? So that's cool. We'll get some great Peter quits down. There. We've seen in previews that Varis will be in the crypt says. Well, I think that that means the various prophecy. I think that's going to play out there. I don't think Farris is making it out if you're alive could get killed by Ned stark where that Ned Stark's final hours. He's visited by various in the king's landing dungeons. Could there could be reunited in the winter fell Crips? I like that shot. I like that you've called it. I think that that's good. I think that that makes a lot of sense to me. And I think for Tyrian who never met. Who never like really met Ned stark had shared the same room as him. You know, when everyone was beating at winter fell in the very beginning. But otherwise these two main characters were ships in the night for for the the dead hand of the king to meet the current hand of the Queen in this capacity. I think would be fun. I wonder like what the cameos would would look like we had a question from Damian. Who said, hey, bro, shot ios? Here's what I want to know which characters from the show is passed. You think are most likely to show up as battlefield zombies at the gates of winter fell. I think that question applies here that I think Ned stark, I think some undead dead stark is going to be here. I doubt that we'll see this thing as played by Sean bean. But I think that we can we can expect to see it like, I think you could imagine the old decrepit handed a hand of the king while the pin is probably is probably gone, but like the. Uniform the start uniform on him and everything maybe I think too too tacky for him to have his head in his hands. But they really they return all the bones. So who knows maybe he'll put his head back like it could be really really screwed up and Liana stark is also very likely to show up in this way as well. So that's pretty wild and crazy, and it makes me feel like Jon snow will have to confront both of them. You know, he's he's having to contend with the reality of his true parentage now that he is the son of Leon and Ray Ghar Ned had lied to him whole life, and he was kind of wrestling without in the crypts already. But I think like that existential crisis will probably become pretty literal fairly soon where he's going to have to he's going to have to take them on. Going to be super gnarly really messed up. Yeah. It'll be interesting to see the way that they. Deal with that where I think that they'll have to be called out where like, oh my God, that's dead. Stark. I think like if you see like Ned Stark's tomb, you see like a thing emerged from it. And it looks distinct enough then you'll be able to track it. I think I think they could do it as simply as that. And like they can they can like set that up even just like to make it even more clear if Tyrian in various who are in the crypts have conversation next to Ned stark before everything goes haywire. I think there's I think there's ways to do it for sure. And I think some version of this is almost a hundred percent lock for me heading into heading into this episode. We'll see how about one more voice mail to to start looking at like ways in which maybe this battle will will start to RAB. Let's take this from V from Israel show loan. Josh, rob, it's from Israel with all the death drafts and battled predictions headed into next week's episode. I was hoping you could discuss the one inevitability that shows up in every game of thrones battle, the dais X mock. And oh, who do you think will most likely end up on their backs disarmed with a white Walker bearing down on them before being saved by an out of nowhere character appearance? And who do you think we'll be dancing uncle engine Brown? Darna harris. Thanks and have you pass over Josh and related to rub thank yous fee. Appreciate it. This is a great time. We had a wonderful Sater with my neighbors. And then that was the night that I went onto play wingspan the board game. I hear that. That's that's great wingspan who's going to be day USA thing. How did he say who's gonna day use the mocking? Yes. That's how it works. But I like it have you have you given any thought to this? Is there going to be like something that comes in and saves the day here? Could it be brand taking control of vissarion that I like certainly something that I have enjoyed could it be what what are the chances other than like, the golden company coming in and suddenly saving the day after surf daddy was just messing with Jamie. Like what what are we not accounting for that could show up? I liked a DJ Lavelle Klein had suggested that brand could hijack. We're would tree and turn it until like the wanting willow from Harry Potter, which is like a very angry physical tree next to bite Benji and made it I think I think we can safely assume uncle Benjamin is dead. Got got the feeling that he probably didn't make naked through though, he could be one of the ambiance that shows up at the gates of winter vote. We didn't really deal with that too much horror. Right. Like zombie thing. That's coming up. You think that we're going to zombie hauteur? Yeah. I like it. I like it. Well, I think we could see it. If it's going to happen. It's going to happen this week. If it doesn't happen this week. I don't think it'll happen. He picked up brand phase from a terrible. Deliver him to the night king of tar God. And then brand hijacks zombie ho doors body and doesn't good enough that becomes brands new physical form for the rest of the series. Wow. At that. I've been coining. I coined the phrase day use X Mel asandra in an article recently where maybe Mel asandra and a bunch of red priests and priestesses will show up for the great war. She's had visions of the battles at winter fell right in this. She's seen it in the fires and she has seen her own death in west arose. What better time is they're going to be for Mela Sandra to show up here in the final season. Then right now, I think like her and like a bunch of fire magic really we know that there's some plans to quote, unquote, light the trench that Davos is going to give a sign to light the trench. And maybe that fire in the trenches of winter fell what I be working against the people in winter fell. Maybe it can backfire in some way. And then the red priests can show up, and they can wield that fire in a better way. I think something like that is not impossible to imagine. Yeah. I don't like Mel Sandra in an army of the red priestesses. That that one's tougher for me. I don't know where Mel asandra shows up in this final season. But that would seem like a lame lame pay off to the, you know, fighting the night king. But like if a bunch of red priests and priestesses show up and just like, you know, give birth in unison to a gigantic shadow monster that will be one of the most the single most messed up things that's ever been committed to television. One hundred red priests and priestesses immediately like conceiving shadow monsters on the field. I think would go down in the books as number one in the most traumatic things we have seen in game of thrones. At the various not all television that would be very traumatic for this straights for a lot of reasons Spencer. Why the prolific Spencer y wrote in with the possibility that maybe it's Braun he says after getting his assassination assignment from sir see via Khyber last week seemed logical that Braun would arrive in Windsor fill and episode two. But he didn't make it episode three looks like an all out battle. So now, the timing isn't going to be great for him to show up although is this setup for bronze play the heroic knights of the Vale role and be the last minute arrival that tips the scale for our protagonists is he going to show it with the crossbow and shoot down some white walkers or perhaps even the night king. Well, none of his weapons are Valeri. Steeler dragon glass. So I don't know how effective crossbow is going to be. He could RO are Samaras from theon Braun is not taking down the night king fund. I guess so just give them a better chance. All in a better wife. Yeah. For sure. How about you mentioned ghost before that you thought that ghost was dead? He is not he is one of two dire wolves still why didn't the mutineers kill ghost. I dunno. It goes it's been around for a while. Because this is a tough cookie. He's he's been purple ghosts. Really since. For a while. Yeah. Those show the show has really done the dire wolves dirty on a number of levels. Not the least of which is the fact that there's only two left Lauren Romano wrote in and said we saw a second of ghost in the episode. Do you think you'll make it and will we see nightmare era due to the visibility? Spike. I said ghost die next week. And then they don't have to deal with dire wolves anymore. Hope I'm wrong. Love me, some ghost don't think. We'll see nightmare. I don't think. So boy, the suddenly like, oh, big wolf pack shows up to help the fight, and it's really just like all corners of west Rosser showing up this thing. Yeah. Where are they going to put ghosts down in the crypts? Also. Now is maybe in the annals mecca. Yeah. I don't know. Boy, don't know. Last question for you ready. Yes. From ily may what happens if you mix giants milk with milk of the poppy. Oh. The milk that makes you sues who Burr strong, and if milk the poppy is the most that makes you sloop sleepy. Yeah. What happens? You wake up and you've grown foot. It's like big. Like, you go to bed at trial, and you wake up a man bigger. I don't know if he's necessarily exactly the same as big as giants milk mixed with milk of the poppy, turn you into Tom Hanks. I don't think so. Be good. That would be good. That'd be good. Yeah. It'd be interesting. Did you see little? I didn't see little. Yeah. I wanted to podcast about that. But I didn't get a chance to what was little is it the sequel to big it's not the sequel to big, but I feel like that it is thematically the sequel to big, but it's about a woman who becomes little seen thirty going on thirteen. Yes. Similar concept. Yeah. So. We'll see we'll see. I I really was very surprised how much torment we got in this episode. Even the previous one isn't credible. Amazing. I wonder if maybe this could be sort of like the back door pilot for the torment giants Bain spinoff. Yeah. Yeah. I would love that. I'd be thrilled with that. I think that we got the back story on tournament and how he became giants pain by killing a giant. And then suckling at the teat of the giants wife, you think we were just being reminded of giant's lore for the final reveal at the end of game of thrones. That we are indeed in the eye of McCumber the giant. Yes, I think so that would be that would be a great reveal to pull back in the final episode. It was right in front of us the whole time top theory on the board at our. Yes. Who propagated the old, man? I believe that was old man. Yes. Yes. Oh, maybe maybe old NAN will show a dead people in the winter fell who could show right? Yeah. Okay. Maybe Rodrick kessel. Oh, yes. So many, sir mutton chops. They're all coming back star studded episode number three. All right. Josh what do you have in store for our your faithful readers between now? And then more stuff. I will have some interviews that are posting at T HR dot com slash game of thrones in the near future, perhaps with fingers crossed that it works out, but perhaps with a certain milk, chugging friend. Then we may or may not have just reference a little while ago. Perhaps with even the writer of this episode is a possibility so keep an eye on that link. I will be be I'll. I'll just be I'll be plugging away for the foreseeable future. All right. So we will be back with you on Sunday night. And we're going to get it right over on post show. Recaps dot com, Stephen fish back. I assuming that Stephen is recovered from his surgery this week, hopefully is speedy recovery for Stephen fish back. We'll be live fifteen minutes. After the episode ends. That's probably looking around sometime around like ten thirty five or so on Sunday night to break. It all down. Of course, follow Josh Wigley on Twitter at round Howard for everything that he is filing away over at T H R, and we make sure your subscribe to the podcast as well. So she recaps dot com slash I tunes. You it. Okay. Now, come on Josh anything else. No, just pray for your faves fray for your favorites your favorites. Happy happy episode of game of thrones. Because we're probably in for rough one on Sunday or a good one or it could win. Hopefully. Yeah. All right. Here's cross. Thanks so much for listening to everybody a good one by.

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Survivor 38 Episode 10 Wiggle Room with Josh Wigler

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Survivor 38 Episode 10 Wiggle Room with Josh Wigler

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Be the pilot and make sure that you are saving the most money with AIDS don't make your next insurance payment until you. Check your rates with AIDS. All you have to do is go to AS insurance dot com slash rob. Or call one eight hundred seven seven seven four A s it's the easiest thing you can do today to save a lot of money on your car insurance. Josh. Learn. Learn. Learn. Learn. Yeah. We're room. Yeah. Yeah. We back. We back. Back. Yeah. It's like we never left. Josh wig ler. What a week it's been since you, and I last spoke year on the podcast, David Kelly. No. Yup. My god. But what an evolution of stret- escalated quickly on survivor. The you know, we do they set it on the show. Right Wardag from Wardag slips to the survivor. God's ears anytime. We've got these returning players on one of these seasons. You either you either win or you make it to the end. He's calling out coach the runners up of the world's and he's he's he's preaching wisdom. And now we've got a situation where there's no return is left in the act of game always shot. One of them could come back through the through the edge of extinction. But fascinating time in survivor history at the very least so cool staff. Lots to talk about this week. Okay. A lot to get to here today with Josh wiggle or on the episode number ten edition of of the wiggle room. And then. Later on in this podcast. Some wand off are getting played Pooley later on in this show. You're not dreaming. I was dreaming. I was I was having nightmares because I was missing out on all of the sweet sweet wand off action in Philadelphia this past week with the wand off all stars sing in the KIA theme. I was so proud of my little babies on stage when I heard them in my years. So wish I could have been there originally Brett Lebel was scheduled to open up festivities as per usual. And he was going to be performing with a backing track. Played by Jason Curtis Rivera, and then Brett Lebel had to back out because of the amazing race that he was going to be having a party in Boston that there was some talk that he actually came all the way out to Philadelphia and then forgot. Come to the show. And then we just went back to Boston. That was that's an amazing race joke. And so I get. Well, I get it. Yeah. Now. What do I do? Yeah. I'm gonna come down now. Yeah. So some time in this podcast just like in Meiring his his full blue bodysuit in orange wig concert because it was great. He was I mean, those are those are wombat colors wearing. Yeah. So he was the hat personified. The wand off all stars were together. All in one place for a we are the world like moment. Yeah. It was great. It was wonderful. I wish I could have been there. But it was it was great on the podcasts. It seems like you guys had a blast in Philly. Yeah. We had a really great live show. I was really happy. I was nervous because of all of the I think we have Jervis never nervous. Yeah. I was nervous because we had so many people that were that Metra was like thirteen or fourteen guests that we had that were there in attendance for the live show, which is a lot of people to work through. But I really thought that it went together pretty well. And it was a pretty tight show. Unlike sometimes where I think I have not done as good of a job with that in the past. I thought it was turned out to be a really fun live show. It turned out to you. Nice. I mean, I think that you you've never had a bad live show in the entirety. Well, that's not what people on Twitter of told me. Josh, I feel I feel like every single live show has been absolutely perfect without a single technical. So yes, you're not gonna get you saying anything bad about anything. But I don't really want to. I don't think I got one tweet this time around that was I hate when you guys have the live shows because it's a worst podcast, then when it's just you and Stephen in the studio, did you just tighten your filters since L Aslam filmings. Thanks. Oh, you've no filters. No banners. White House vica, very calloused ego. Then because. Yeah. Filters up the was that's right. That's right. I need. I need the negative feedback to makes me stronger. Now makes me weaker. I don't need any of that. Okay. Talking about the card against jazz. Okay. All right. No. I got I got my share in the last couple of podcasts more on that to come. All. Right. So Josh twig ler. Here we are with David and Kelly who went out back to back on the live show and really setting the stage for David e Kelley because they eat is now edge of extinction. Yeah. Josh, I think it might be a good place just to touch on. So I do at the live show liked to record the tribal council. So I have the audio of David getting voted out and Kelly getting voted out in the room. Do you hazard to guess, which the bigger response from the crowd? Yeah. Oh. That's a good question. Which is the big response because I was going to say, I imagine both of them got a pretty big pop. I would guess I would guess that the Wentworth one was a bigger shock because they think after her not playing the idol people probably assume that that means she's going to be safe. And then when she's getting voted out with an idol in her pocket and joining the illustrious ranks of Andrea and Aubrey before her that must have gotten a huge reaction. So I'm going to guess that Wentworth got the big she's she RHA AP in many ways built the Kelly Wentworth hype machine. So to lose the Queen. They stand in a in an evening where everyone is gathered together, I would expect the Wentworth hype won the day. Although I'm sure people were very very sad about David as well. Okay. Here's the David tribal council. Two. Right. That was David. That's gotta make you feel good. If you're David Wright. And you're you're listening to people react in that way. Like, a huge room of survivor fans being devastated to that one jerk. Clapping that might have been sent by Mike blue. Yeah. I was gonna say might bloom trawl was was sent to Philadelphia. I really get a great performance by by David right at that final tribal council. Yeah. So what are you gonna do? I mean, maybe maybe enough about the the loyalty brandy. That was that that itself was was very very funny. So no complaints from me. I was to see him very three hundred forty people in attendance at punchline in Philly for that show. Okay. So let's then listened in on the Kelly tribal council. Okay. That's her not playing her idol. Danger in the air. One vote left. Let them. I thought we might have had a ride on our hands job. Yeah. That sounds tough. We had like double red wedding. Two in one night. But fitting it's fitting as we like to talk about the overall story of the season. So perfect that David and Kelly who we talked all season long end up going out back to back in one episode. It was tremendous. It was tremendous. And I again. Yeah. From for that sort of meta perspective. I really appreciate that. And the other thing about this season is that they're they're gone. But are they really they're the the ghost in the wind? Now, they're they're still participants in the show. So that takes a little bit of the sting out that like no matter what even if one one of them can't win their way back into the game. They're going to be in this for for the long haul. Now, we're going to have them in every episode moving forward in a fairly meaningful way. You would assume. So, you know, I guess one of the fringe benefits of sanction. Okay. And let's assume that David Kelly. Ali don't get back into the game. Do you look back hypothetically after the season is over and just feel what could have been if David and Kelly could have ever gotten on the same page for more than one vote. I really I cannot wait to I can't wait for the season to end for a couple of reasons. But one of the reasons being I I'm really excited for these people to be uncorked and for some of them at least to get on podcasts to do interviews and talk about what happened out there and among the stories. I'm most curious about is what happened between David and Kelly because Kelly never really said anything about David in the preseason to me. But David said to me in the preseason what he said to me also in the act of player interview that we posted on HR last week, which is that he loves Kelly Wentworth. He's a huge fan of hers from second chance it's baby season. But he had this sneaking suspicion. That she just wasn't. And that she's just wasn't a huge fan of his. And this goes beyond a an interview with me, right? Yeah. I don't know. I have no idea. Something must have had. I can't get this. Right. I don't think you can get bud aimed for this. I don't think that this is your fault. But I wonder what happened. I wonder what happened. I think that David is a guy who plays on gut instinct to some degree. He talks about it on the show about his survivor Spidey sense and his survivor Spidey sense was tingling, and it told him that Kelly Wentworth was going to be the green goblin to Peter Parker and action must be taken. And I wanna know why. I wanna know I want to know what happened because I do think that especially after everybody was able to get together and get rid of Julia and everything that happened with that if they could have just if they could have just like rebounded from that moment. And maybe the original less crew could have really stuck together. That's what's going to happen. I thought so too. But I think we gotta be talking. We gotta be talking about the the story of the the new rising star of the season. Which is his ears are tingling. I'm sure is he's listening to this the war dog who who is the engineer behind these. Okay. So Josh, I would love to get your opinion on what happened because as has been the case all season long that Stephen and I had opposite views on this move from war dog was your take on this. Do you feel like war dog strike too early? I think he may have struck too early. But I don't know. I think it's I think it's possible. He struck too early. He must know that she has an idol. I feel like he must know that she has an idol. Otherwise, this move doesn't make a ton of sense to me that like getting rid of her this early because it's going to be like too hard to get rid of her down. The line must be thinking. And it's only going to be too hard to get rid of her down the line if he's aware of some idols and play not because of the relationships that she has built into the game because it doesn't feel like she has an insane amount of sturdy relationships in the game at that point like she's openly targeted. Rick Devon's of the past vice versa. She's really tight with Lauren, obviously. But other than that her tightest ally is the ward so I feel like he wore dark must have not felt comfortable going all the way to the top with Wentworth that it just he needed more flashy needed a little more possess on his resume. He really needed to start toning. It up a little bit more. And maybe this is the time. He feels like he needs to make that turn. But I feel like it may have been too early because I think one of the things that has been really. Great and sharp about word is Gabe is that he has been really he's been really savvy in terms of keeping people in front of him that are more threatening. That was that was something that I thought that that was really smart about the way he played the early game and getting rid of Chris, and maybe making himself a little more valuable, and maybe making David and Wentworth a little more obviously dangerous in the process, and a few of those types of moves in the fact that he had this call and card of loyalty to to Wentworth and Lauren that maybe selling that now with still so much game left on the clock just might have been a little bit fast. Then again, if he if he's reading the tea leaves and seeing that, you know, the landscape is changing, and he needs to be shaking up relationships, and he needs to be able to get to the end in earn some of those old comma votes than he really needs to be making inroads with those old comma people and showing that he is willing to vote. Wentworth? Maybe that shows that he is willing to work closer with comma. So I don't know. I think if I had to make a rowing I feel like it's a little too early. But I don't fully, you know, put my thumb down to the logic. And I'm certainly deeply entertained. This is the Tony clones this is like the most unlike the wacko meter. He's he's like he's taking pretty pretty high up there. This is one of the clones that Tony left behind in Fiji that like sprouted on its own like a gremlin that has eaten after midnight and a pop that of the mog wise back and this is war dog. Like that has that is what is has grown out there and Fiji like this feels like the most Tony esque game. I love the some of the so I guess the top of the wlac o meter when Johnny vox. When the block them either one hundred. This. Man. Ooh. It'll be. That place since game changing. Gotta get back in season. And then this is on Tony meter. I think. Block them. Yeah. I dunno. That's that feels pretty high that feels like you just broke the block of meter, but we don't know what the zero is. I don't go back to all the Tony soundbites. The. What about from the Ron Clark perspective because I think I think that really that this vote in particular. It's an interesting one because you have to where you had war dog who was the architect of this move. But then Ron Clark was the person who also had to turn his key to launch nuclear sub yet. Ron's doing great. I think when when when things went south for comma a few votes back. I was I was really kind of waiting to see Ron go pretty quickly kind of like feeling like that person. Who is at the head of an alliance that is suddenly that has suddenly dropping from power to to being very clearly on the bottom and being one of the guys the most vocal proponents of that alliance. I kind of figured we'd be seeing Ron on the edge of extinction. Very shortly. After Eric the fact that we not only haven't seen him out there. But he's really been instrumental in some of these votes. He seems to be working really closely with Wardag. Fun alliance for me. I really like those two together. And I'm hoping that they can do some damage moving forward. I think that that would be a really fun fun. Do oh to watch moving forward. I think no no skin off his back taking out David Wright and taking out Kelly Wentworth, these are people he met just a few days ago, really people that he's really just started working with and has had a flexible relationship with at best anything that keeps. Ron Clark alive is good for run Clark. So I think hard to ding this move from Ron respective except for Julie was on the outs of the vote. Right. That's a little dangerous does not seem to care for a Rohrer either and wrong behind her back to keep a row in the game. And so how will Julie react to this? Because she is somebody who has reacted in unpredictable ways to being on the wrong side of oats. I wanna get an ad of my head and out into the universe before. I forget. Get to that. I wanna see the war dog team up with a Rura. If only for the alliance name Aurora dog is just I want that out there. I want other people to run wild with that. I think it's I think it's a really it's a it's a question that we asking about about Julie who does not like to be blind sided who does not like to be left out of votes seemed like she really only trusted Ron during that whole period where everything went nuclear with with. Julia. And I don't know how how should we act? I mean, if Ron can convince her like, this was a really fast deal this came together very quickly, which of course. Genius editing on the war dog flashbacks that was so fun to watch. I'm just I'm not going to mention it. If I don't if I don't mention it. Now that was so much more like that the storytelling on survivor when we're in that kind of place where we're getting really creative in whimsical and play full. That's the stuff survivor more like that. That was tremendous that was that was very that was very season thirty seven of you keep pushing that board. I think we can take it. We can we can be very inventive with the story in the fans are along for the ride loved that. I feel like Julie I'm a little nervous about her reaction to run. I think Ron is savvy enough, and I feel like that they've got a solid enough relationship that they are going to be able to recover from it. Then again on this season. It's a little hard to know exactly how anybody feels each other. Because I think that the things change like night and day just based on the amount of information we've been able to to really process, and they've been really able to volley up towards us so hard to note, but a story wanting to watch this Wednesday. An interesting question for you right now, we're at the final eight right now. And the finally is war dog. Julie Ron Clark. Rick Devon's Gavin, Victoria, Lauren and Aurora. That's our final eight in the game. So of those last four people that I mentioned Gavin, Victoria, Lauren and Aurora. How many of them if you had to say right now will be in the final three of this season. How? Two or three zero one two three. Okay. So that's Gavin, Victoria, Victoria, and Lauren and Lauren. Oh, man. I would guess. Zero zero. I would say none of them. Okay. Glenora bleier. I'm gonna say I'm gonna say one it'll be Aurora. The dog is going to happen. Arrived. I will happen. I dunno impossible say like the same way that we said the other week. I have no idea who's winning? I gotta be honest. And I'm sure that it's a parent by now, I've got no idea. What the hell's going on this? I feel as in the dark on this season as I have ever felt while doing the podcast of the it is it is so tough to read because there's so many ingredients. And because I feel like I barely know. Some of these people still that it's it's hard for me to say, it's really really hard for me to say. But but I I don't really see like, I don't really see any kind of upper Lauren. I could I could see a prolonged inventory. I could see stories where they could pick up, and they could get there with with some momentum behind them victorious been a little more quiet recently than than I would like though, I love the way that she plays the game things. She plays the game in in a way, that's really fun to watch. And is has been working out for her really, really? Well, so far, Lauren. I would love to see her like propelled by the ghost of Kelly Wentworth and go on you know, crazy vengeance Kish. It'd be on Natalie Anderson type trajectory, I mean, I think that that's not impossible. You know, if she comes back this week and sorts putting the pieces together to take out war dog after what he did to Kelly after this vote. But if it doesn't we don't see it like right off the bat on Laura I kinda like that she might be drawing to. Yeah. I think so. But I mean, she's still got the idol you got to hope that the idol is gonna come into play in in some way, shape or form. Just because it hasn't yet. That's also that's also fun. I like that the the idols have been sorted dead in the water, but I have trouble seeing like the past victory for Aurora, even though she has spiked a bit recently. And I really I really love to beating him. And he he seemed like a really great guy. And I'm sure that he's playing a good subtle game. But I just don't see it for Gavin based on the show. Okay. Josh I have a couple of different things that I didn't get the play on the podcasts this week that I would like to this is one of my last chances to things are about to be getting late getting laid. I don't like to waste anything but over on the edge of extinction this week. There was a moment where everybody got wine bottles with a clue, and so we had to then find something that was a place that was hollow place that we would not stay would not stay. And so there were some different theories about what on the island is hollow. And I thought that Erica was might have been onto something here. I have an idea in my mind, where I think it's going to be it says something about when you're at your most hollow thing, maybe it means hungry. So then I think maybe it's near the rice bucket. It's not there. I mean, go figure I mean that makes it like. Hollow? You literally don't have any food in you. Right. Right. That makes sense. You know, maybe while we were sleeping they injected each of us with a micro advantage. Maybe the advantages inside are hollow stomachs. Yeah. We saw a couple of weeks ago that Ron Clark was trying to get everybody that hey, let's just think about the loved ones. Visit you know, wouldn't it be nice? If we could just sit back and just wait for the family visiting get to enjoy that. I do think that this might be runs of Goto line when he wants people to stay the course because this was Ron this week after that gloves off point for a million dollars. Right. It'd be nice. If we could just relax, right? Yeah. Wouldn't that be nice? Nobody do anything just have some nice easy votes per chain carts, really growing on me. I mean, I I thought that he was he had the he had potential, but he's kind of just a little bit of a flat character for a little while I'm loving post merge. Ron if we laugh. Did you see the thing? The dance was great. I I would have been really annoyed if Ron had gotten his way, and if comma could've gone everybody, I think would have just been very whatever television. But I like I really love seeing Ron Clark forced to dance for. It's been really really good. And that's really funny. Come on guys. Can't we just get along? Nice. If we could just have nice relaxing afternoon and not vote Ron Clark out of the game. Dame? Okay. This is another one that I want to play. I feel like that. I didn't see a lot of people talking about Jeff's description of the challenge. First person gets one ball in each of the five dimples. Yeah. Let's talk about those dimples. Jessica Jeff has a dimple challenger. Combining tipple challenge with the ball challenge. There's all there's a lot to be played there. Oh, yeah. Lots of stuff. I really I didn't play any of the play by play on the balls narration. The win. Can't do it. Bowl out yet again. Now, he's got through on the move. Indeed. Wow. This was Rick Devon's after the challenge that they were asking him about his challenge prowess. Every little white balls. Mom, asterik Devon's. Yeah. And. What about Julie's plane description? Josh you wanna talk anything about this. I realized on a passenger on someone else's brain. And I'm hitting the button right now. And I'm so glad that I did. Because like maybe I'm on my own little plane right now. But it's still meet flying the plane. Well, I like this idea that like everyone is like a JAMES BOND movie and like there's like this entire season of survivor or the post merge like the past couple of episodes. It's just been like one extended hallway fight on an airplane. Like, it's just like everybody has been like fighting to get off this plane, and then they're going from planes to New Orleans like tiny little and visit jets, and I feel like there's some great artists and animators in the survivor fan community, and the fact that we have not seen edge of extinction. Transposed into like literally like a Daniel Craig action movie feels like a great missed opportunity. And now, I'm just thinking about jewelry, Rosenberg as wonder woman in the invisible jet flying away towards the win. Josh if you had to give us a prediction for Wednesday night, who's going home? Who'd be going home gym on somebody for Wednesday. Man. I don't know. I feel I probably like one of the people that you you mentioned as like one of the back half. Remaining players. I I would say probably between Gavin Aurora for me would be my would be my bet like if Aurora can't win immunity again 'cause she's proven. She's a challenge threat. She's kind of been disagreeable on some of these votes. She's been on the outside. Maybe Ron knowing that she's got that extra vote. Maybe he's going to want to throw her off a little bit or something could happen there. So I guess gun to my head maybe Aurora if it's not going to be the Aurora dog all the way, if they're not going to be able to team together and be a force to be reckoned with. I would say maybe Aurora would be my bet I put by chip on Gavin this week fair to okay, the pineapple of it all reminds me that I don't think that I can comfortably go to the one without being. Allowed at least ten seconds to say pizza. Yeah. Yeah. Good challenge. Just sit up and instead beast on a mountain of pizza. Bish ously disgusting gross covered in all of coagulated cheese piled on top of each other the oils seeping into all of the other oily slices pizzas doesn't look like that. I heard that's so terrible Chucky cheese. They take a mountain of pizza, and then they turned into pizzas that they serve you. I've heard that as well. Allegedly at least at least allegedly and if true at least they have the decency of reassembling it into what is peace. Come on guys. Don't come on in just come on. It's terrible. Bring back spaghetti mount rather spaghetti mountain than pizza mountain. And I love pizza, but that was sensitive. It was a -fensive. It was -fensive. You know, I think the ding Mary kill on pizza mountains spaghetti mountain from triple h and the biggest plate of nachos. Anyone has ever seen allegedly from thirty seven. I think I don't know. I don't know. I don't know who I would marry. I don't know who I'd kill. I don't know who I would ding. I would be very upset with all of these action. Yeah. The CPS survivor Twitter account, like a tweet out a picture of like who would want some of this mountain of pizza like no, stop it. What are you doing? Nobody's. Yeah. They did that in the double episode, which one you would want the men pizza or the root beer. Yeah. In David versus Goliath during that episode. They have like a extreme the Twitter posted like an extreme close up of the sick-looking batch of nachos with the massively coagulated cheese so much graduated cheese on survivor lately. That's horrible. Well, it's wrong. It's morally bankrupt and it needs to stop. Okay. All right. We're going to start to head into the wand off unless you have any other reward observations. No, I'm still I'm just a little nauseous, so we'll cure my, okay. We'll cure you. Okay. Well, of course, one thing our sponsor, and that is the hunt a killer of subscription box game, our listeners can they get twenty percent off at hunter killer dot com slash rob on the first box. Of course, this season of survivor has been a mystery to many of us who have been watching it. And even maybe for some of the people that are playing, but if you love a mysteries specifically murder mysteries. Then you're going to love the hunt a killer subscription box because it brings all the fun of being eight and escape room to your house without having to leave. You'll get a look. For clues and solve puzzles and be on the track a serial killer. Josh man, what about amount of cereal? Another maybe it could be a clue potentially. In terms of tracking the killer each month, you'll receive crime scene photos of the mount of pizza might have been a crime scene photo. Absolutely. What's killed my love for pizza? 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If you have what it takes to get in the mind of a serial killer and solve the mystery not the mystery of why David Wright and Kelly went worth could never get along. That's different. That's different mystery. Or why they lost? That's a mystery to be solved by different pair of detectives. That's that's right. Why? I like that. Jessica Lewis, Dave, Bloomberg our detectives, I think that they're the closest thing we've got to private is on the r h AP now, I'm pretty sure. There you go any. And if you need to. Leave your lipid Nikki happy rest of my life. If it shut the circle. Just take your. You could. Happy. Oh, yeah. So it sweet musical tunes. It's time to listen to you. Josh did you hear the big news from Philadelphia that two of our patrons got engaged in Philadelphia? Yes. Love is in the. Yeah. Graduations to will. And Jess, and we'll pop the question not during the shelf just said she would not have liked that. But the day after the Philly live now at all we had a patron proposal mazal tov. I am very happy to hear that. I'm thrilled to hear that look at this. This this universe? You've created rob people. You're you're introducing people to each other the loves of each other's lives. You're connecting soulmates. You're you're you're grandfathering babies. Like incredible thing around Davies. Yeah. Your granddad. I'm the grandad. Godfather, maybe I should have said don't be way. Listen, what's that? Grandfather looks good on you. Old jokes. I don't think I've ever gotten grandfather a baby yet. I don't know. I don't know where I am anymore. I'm just trying to say that like you've done really good stike from. She don't get hung up on the grandfather. If at all. Okay. All right grandpappy. Rob. I feel like I mean granddaddy's these sixty is going to be your time to shine. Okay. All right. Well, maybe. All right. Josh, Tom, Westman hair. It's okay. So let's talk about last week on the wand off, of course, last week. It was a bit of a runaway last week. Okay. Okay. Third place. It was Karen from Canada who had pleasure of seeing this past week. And she had fifteen point seven three percent of the vote for Bob Petach. How could we forget? Yes. Scatalogical Wahdan Scott last got real in second place. Again. I can't tell you. How many second place finishes this band for Aaron Robertson? Sign on Netflix shman. Seventeen point eight four percent of Erin. I don't be to laugh. It's just where it's gonna happen. It's gonna happen. You could never leave us. This is going to happen. We'll make this work for you. Okay. But it was a bit of a run away with forty two point zero two percent of the vote as computed by the great tabular Kurt Clark by the pleasure of seeing in Philadelphia as well this week. And it's a man who returned to the wand off after an extended absence. Congratulations to Adam b. His theme all about ream. Strange. Edge. They said because we don't want you at the end. But I'm like dude in know what he? Okay. Island from those but didn't get beautiful anthem or GIS for ream. To Adam de for that one. Okay. Right, adam. Yeah. All right. So Josh, let's get into the honorable mentions your four this past week. Let's bring in the beleaguered host of the wand off who I've really had to read the riot act wrote of like a lengthy Email to him. I was on a plane this week to try to see if we can get his act together. Please welcome back to the wand off the late great, Casey Kasem. Josh, it's a pleasure to be back with you here on the wiggle room. Casey. It's a pusher have you back here. And if I may just speak in your defense, really, rob could you stop beleaguering, Casey. Could you just beleaguering this, man? He's a ghost. He's our friend. He does a fantastic job here. And I don't understand all the all the criticism. And if you've got a problem with Casey that you feel the need to send him a strongly worded Email, you at least have the decency to send that to pineapple boy twenty seven Josh I greatly. Appreciate your support. And I hope. That it's small consolation to you that in the afterlife. There's no mountains of pizza. I like pizza just don't want mountains of this gross lederle disgusting dive into this week's honorable mentions. Of course, you could hear all of this on the rod as a podcast soundcloud playlists available to the patrons of rob has a podcast this week. We're going to kick things off with a few things that are more to do with things that were said on the podcast, then things that were said on survivor. So we're going to kick things off with his one from swaggie Jay talking about Hannah's mom. Seven million miles. Seven million more as mom. In phone. So. Recently. Seven million vertical miles does sound like an awful lot. Rob. If you chime in as somebody who has yet to listen. Lamey cusak. My great friend Hanish appear who I love dearly. I dot at a chance to listen to that podcast. What what happened? Fire. Why are we heard this? She said that her mom had a broken record. And she skied seven million vertical miles this past ski season, which says down. Like a lot seven million vertical byles is like a science fiction metric that is. That is not that cannot be true. Feet. It was feed. Yeah. All right. Get the hell out of here. This is part of this show. Next stuff is something that I heard rob was getting dragged for on the social media this week much to my delight. War between Casey and drive is run. Dave from West Virginia. Animal. There is not no Mon. According to run who's clearly not known came Jordan, K louche, just the rank or straight. Get so much heat from this on Twitter one hundred percent, right. And the bitsy spider. And look and. Animals, called arachnids mites. Ragging family sandwich before spiders animal? I can't believe rob. Didn't know a spider is an animal what an idiot. Oh, so happy that so many people were really means a rob on Twitter telling him how dumb and stupid. He is. All right. All right. We got it. We got it. Okay. All right moving right along. And if you hadn't brought that into one never would have known. So you brought that on yourself. It was a pretty bad take Josh next up. It's time to talk about some of this week's reward from survivor will kick off this mountain of one offs with with graduated cheese for civil. Good. Then. I'm gonna call it up. Asking. Pizzas. Horrible. Few. Here. First person daily if your. I doubt. Call it up excuse me out. Out. That was from legendary crooner Dini smarten. Who I believe has served up mountains of pizza in the past. If I'm not mistaken. Really my Qodian. What's? The fact that the mountain of gene pizza happened on the same night that Brett Lebel returned to our television sets and himself had to contend with Mount Fuji is really just incredible Qismat not to be confused with mount Fiji the collection of pizza. Yes. We'll continue on with our mountain of pizza Wanda offs. Here's Stacy from Maryland. The piece of mountain. Gene mountain looks like. Torio? Kaley. Valley the mountain looks like. It's really great. Very simple and wonderful and correct next up. Here comes Lauren TK who is going to actually incorporate what was happening in the challenge to one of the fiercest competitors in survivor, thirty eight challenge history. On his. Tilson stairs mountain. They don't they want to a mountain. Checking. Fees. Not a thing. Jeff fishery. Now think unfortunately, that was a great one from Fayette. Please say we say we are Burton Robert that added feel good that feels good. You don't have to take my word for it. Down. Let's keep going with tot from the challenge. Here's Laura e D, And Michael j Clarke. I need to concentrate. Let Bob so pleased to land. Three. Why? Got nothing or the foundations. I feel like the butterfly must've like launched from cocoon that was on one of the slices of feta. Like pizza butterfly scaping the mountain. No rights in word, doc. So gross. Next up. Let's hear from Audrey as from Dallas talking about Kelly Wentworth. The on. Of hope has changed. But with side stories, not one mecca fight. The end of the night. I really don't thank you for them to extinction ticket while Lama drug my hands. And I don't see a problem. I don. Time. He was I gotta make this. For the end when the makes me nervous. But I won't eat it. We wear had gone. You had this chance. Now, you're going home district concerns Dr infant. Dodges close to driving. Kid. She gave. Came. That was from Noelia. I todd. Oh. Listen to that the other night. This is the first time I listened to promiscuous in quite a while this playing wingspan the board game from Nola Tato, decent gay. Art, find defined finally one more. Honorable mention for the wake here comes Robin from Rochester with a song about war dog cash said to see you here. The war dog squatting like output. Your N P F is though lowest by far cud, call this a challenge slim, but all in this game to me. To me skills are freeze. Heard have you voted with less you? But. Foods. You that's phony. No when sharks led were done. No one plays the role. Speaking. Good kid hopped up on panty with his butterfly. He's like a Disney male. Sites like Twitter fights life for no one. Victor. Yes, I'm exasperatingly. That's a beautiful song from the film, beauty tribe and the bees. The challenge beast man award. I really guest awning at this season. Just above the chest up throwing people on his shoulders, and I don't know a metaphor just running drive. Josh it's time to count down the top five songs. Eight all of one that's nation. Of course that these songs you can vote all week long. When you go to rob has a website dot com slash vote wonder. All right. Let's hear Casey what's hear what you got this week. Here. We go. Our first song this week. The number one song in all of wombats nation comes to us from Stacey from Maryland about everybody's favorite metaphor of survivor, thirty eight a few tribals ago. David, right. There were by let's the game. But it's been overused. Weeks in. Bit over. Maybe stop saying. Now, David has gone. Don't. Passengers. Joe's. It really is probably it's time to attack that Sicher. That sicher. Time to bring that Inver landing if we can beautiful anthem from the Queen stays Queen. Next up. Forget just pilots. And passengers Jason Lee is back to talk about stuff. Other people are saying here in survivor thirty eight. I remember when I remember went Audrey you wanted. Thinking to everyone. Right. They're doing exactly the same. Governor about that one. Remember after the game. Loyalty. All can do. There with eating. We got sharks and minnows. Screw you. A strong. Are you? Oh, yeah. That was another great one from the artist gnarled Lee seed linear. Title. Tidy Whitey song as good as great. I the gas raises. There's a lot of them. But is that any different from any seasons? We're just in the midst of our current era of catchphrases, but survivor is a very catch phrases show baked into the DNA from the very beginning of the Borneo days. I prefer catch paraphrase. Also, you're the one. Now, I understand. Next up here the ghosts community there newcomer to the top five. Here's Kerry way, the song about Kelly went worth at her Heidel. With imagine. I'm watching survivor day twenty seven I can't help think here. No. I can't hear famous last words tonight will be. Minds Negga, target me. But the side. Okay. Me safe. What a shame that going home. I timed it having ladies ever. Much better. Much better. Yeah. That was another great one from Nick at the Meyer ano-. He's actually going to be here in the studio on on Friday. All right. That's great. This is my time this show that is my Arana that you're talking about. And please give him my regards. I have not talked to Nick and good little while I heard Rupert likes to put mayo on everything. The mountain of pizza. Next up. It's another trip to top five for Baqi and Taylor song about what the war dog does. The. Is that? What about myself there person that is? Got an emphasis named I wrote down his name shooter done it sooner. He's for stem when Moore lifted go don't wanna be a passenger. So why masterplans taking? In their travel. Get my beard, a good stress sitting about it is a tiny head. Dog as the. Amaze? Poland landside rake in three. Three dollars. Lorde? That was from Lil as gen-x the tiny little crooked hat is a classic. Classic hat. Classic. All around. Maybe we should look into tidy cricket little wombat. Hats. The future. Finally, the number five song in combat's nation. Here's Tyler Jacob Jones at he's trying to figure out who might be the winner of the season based on a popular internet rubric. I know that is sneaky and can love. That runs. Got facial muscles. And. Skiing. Been to fast and governs less than leaves. Twitter. Season's almost have to. Sorry buddy is. When. We must. Edrich Todd is headed down. His show is trying. Pressuring. Red. Oh. Based on nothing. That was a classic from the group pop up their supply. Of man, but preach, preach. Are we basically this on idea? What's happening this season? I'm just out here trying to justify my existence. As one of the thousands arriver podcasts struggling circling. It's very confusing. But it's been an exciting ride. Just don't understand. I don't know. Josh you can vote in the Llandough of all week long at rob has a website dot com slash vote Wanda. And of course, you could hear all of the tracks omitted for the wand off this week on our soundcloud play list put together by the great top-five human. Randy new poll, he is going to rob as a website dot com slash patron to get the link and thanks again to Jason Curtis Rivera who makes the videos for the top five songs of the week whenever he can. And we wait patiently for those because he's a very busy student in college top seven human, and that's going to do it for Casey Kasem once again this week on the Wanda. Josh be sure to keep your feet on the ground and keep your hands off the table. All right. Great. Great job again. Casey, casey. Great great. We back to the back where the the the guy who is the name of the podcast can can actually talk for a while. Technically, this one is called the wiggle room. So I guess I guess so all right. All right. Josh wigley. Great job by the wand off superstars and new. Oh my God. Yes. So good. All right. So Josh we've got a very busy week coming up here on the podcast. And I wanna know all about it. I want you to tell me every detail. Okay. All right. Well, that of course, this is I will be firmly planted in the studio we have a jam packed week of podcasts coming up for you. So Stephen fish back is going to be having surgery on his shoulder this week. Oh, really? Oh my God. And so bad about me. Paraphrase. It was just a joke. Right. He'll never listened to just so. It's going to be leading. Yes. Okay. But everybody, you know, send positive energy to Stephen fish back as he is recovering from his shoulder surgery this week, but he will not be with us for the know-it-alls. But I will be very excited to breakdown episode number eleven of this season with Angelina Kili me. Oh, she's gonna come for the wand off jacket. Yep. Watch out watch out Madden water limits. It okay. Then I will have a here with me in the studio on Thursday. Another one of your favorites. PG law will be here in the studio used to say Hello, very excited to catch up with PG. Another one of the great podcast guests. And then Nick Myron the mayo jar will be here on Friday. So we'll have the people's here in the studio back toback days. I like it when people check in on you and make sure you're doing all, right. And that you're eating. Yes. Well, leaping. I hadn't had a guest in the studio the entire season. I don't believe Hannah was here now PG, and now Nick I will say it does make a big difference in terms of the general condition of this floor that I record all of these podcasts in between my office and the studio so that the floor you mean like the level? Yes. The level up both I guess, but yeah, I mean, I've been so crazy saying it's it's cleaner because people are showing down so like your, yes, if people are going to come in here. I can't have people know if you're like complaining about people like, you know, dirtying know Hannah has trashed my house in the past. But now this was. And Mike and my children trashing my on my office played you try to make I clean up. And then, you know, try try to make an effort to people don't think that like a hoarder anything. Terrible. Not that there's anything wrong. I mean, I don't know my mom's order, we didn't even get into a sad story. All right. So I know AJ Nass this weekend on this weekend. Survivor, robin. Keep no podcast is going to be back this weekend. So. Where did the wheel land? We are doing a total of total idea. Live people are going to be calling in live this weekend to pitch their ideas for wheel. That's really fun. That's how they'll have two minutes and thirty seconds. I believe to pitch their ideas. More hang up on time. Limit of its key time county. All right. So Josh Wigley. Of course, that you are on fire like a barrack done Darrien soared over at HR as you are writing away about episode number two of game of thrones. Yeah, there's a lot to write about, you know, only six episodes for the final season of game of thrones. And only four episodes left at this point, which feels like not enough time. But the good news is I feel like every episode has offered up a lot to think about a lot to talk about a lot to write about. So lots of fun stuff. Going up at teach dot com slash game of thrones. And man, I really I've loved. This episode. Great. What's the of luck? Oh, meter to for how many articles you've written about episode number two of game of thrones. So far. Pulled Allama trigger. Llama triggers. How many no I think the lava trigger should be breaking the law Coquelles, we're getting close just like a single bird more under five baby. Over five. They go a lot. It's a lot. It's a lot. But it's fun. Yes. Hard to complete right? He's easy to complain bitch and complain. It's good stuff. I'm having a good. All right. Josh we're gonna get into our games feedback show later on the day on post show. Recaps, of course, Stephen recap the episode over on post show recaps on Sunday night that's up in the post show recaps podcast feed. Josh, and I will get into all of your game of thrones feedback questions as well. Also, just Gleason Mike bloom have Star Trek discovery Star Trek panic at the disco of finale coverage as well over on social recap. So check that that was a heck of a ride. What arrive quite literally would ride. Okay. Josh wiggle or anything else? No, all right. I'm just gonna go. Eat a salad now after talking about all this pizza, right? Boring chicken salad. No, I believe it's going to be very interesting kale Caesar. Oh, okay. That is interesting. All right. Take everybody have a good one. Bye. Hi streams too. Because we don't want to at the end. But I'm like, dude, you know, what he? A may not. Okay with this is from those starred, but didn't get the best of me done. No. It the end able see that. I am. It took me. Maybe. Any next to me? Thing. This is where. 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Game of Thrones Re-Watch | Season 6, Ep #9: Battle of the Bastards

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Game of Thrones Re-Watch | Season 6, Ep #9: Battle of the Bastards

"Winter was here. But we are just getting started on our rewatch of game of thrones season six episode nine the battle of the bastards. And now here we are your two favorite bastards. I'm rob sister. And he with Josh wig ler or Josh how you my God. My my crippling fear of dogs is rearing its head again is all I can say this crippling fear of dogs. I would say crippling fear of dogs, but I'm certainly a cat person over it person. With deep rooted childhood reasons for why this is the case, but we don't need to get into them. Yikes. Yikes. Indeed opening up on whole can of worms here to go. There. We don't need to go the offing worms. I'll take worms over over dogs. Okay. All right. Well, we'll save that for another day. I like dogs. I like dogs. I there's there's a few. There's a few dogs that I'm a big fan of personally. But Ramsey's dogs are especially deadly and dangerous in fairness that he didn't feed them for treating. Star mistreat is the dog. So on a good day. They're good dogs. Yeah. I subscribe to the Cesar Milan that there. There are no bad dogs. They're only bad dog owners. I prefer the little Caesar Milan. I've never had Little Caesars before I don't think you're missing anything. That's what I hear. Yeah. All right. A lot to talk through here today in a icon. Ick episode of game of thrones battle the bastards. Yes. And I think it's important to start out the discussion by by checking wake the expectations versus what it was like to to rewatch this back because all season long as we've been picking apart season six we've been commenting on. Maybe how surprised we've been at some of the letdowns along the way, and maybe some of the smaller episodes that were were not remembered much at all or perhaps not even fondly in some cases were the surprising delights, at least for me in some of the cases here as we were going through season six and the traditional thinking is that the final two episodes of season six are among the very best episodes of game of thrones period flat out, and then how does that measure up on the rewatch? We'll say battle the bastards is still just a fantastic episode of television. This really is an amazing amazing. Our tv. Yeah. I thought it held up. I didn't remember spending as much time in marine. The Rian stuff is a fiery finish to like a dumpster fire storyline. They really they really deliver. Yeah. So I certainly didn't remember when we go back in and get theon and Yarra also in marine later on in this episode one time we cut away from everything going on in the north. Once we arrived there, but I feel like really held up. Yeah. I think to say that this is a top five episode of game of thrones is still a very valid statement having having run back through the full series over the last year and a half or so now at this point, I still think and maybe now it's like re recency bias of my memory fading of the stuff that we were rewatching earlier in the show versus where we are now in the. Rewatch? I still think if you were to tell me that battle the bastards is one of your top by episodes. That's not just hyper Bach. I think that that is a completely valid opinion based on how good this episode is Miguel potch Nick director really knocks it out of the park and is responsible for the season now, which is an immense effort in its own right? So really top of the line KAI that man. Okay. All right. Let's get into it. And we start things off with Danny getting a real view of what's going on in marine since she's returned with catapults firing upon the great pyramids. And a lot of destruction. I'm gone for ten episodes. And you set the whole place on fire. No, I remember her being more mad and have to say that like in my memory. I remember her coming back and having that sort of tone of Tyrian. But she does not really seem to be that upset with him. Yeah. Well, I also think that Tyrian his his justification for what he was doing and marine while she was gone is almost it's stronger than I remember that being you know, like, I think his idea of things here were good things we were for Shing over the last couple of weeks if you had been here two weeks ago, you would have been really thrilled with how things are going. And the reason why we are literally on fire right now is because things were going. So this was the outcome that we did count for by my Queen. They hate us because they ain't us. This. What it comes down to? So good ain't est is a great character from the book that did not make it this show for. Yes. Tyrians is we're a city on the rise. Yeah. We're on. We're on the upswing. You should see. Our our transit system is really something to behold. But yeah, I I mean, it's a it's a decent excuse. I feel like from Tyrian of like we're doing well, we're doing well. But they're so mad. They're so mad that we're doing well without slavery because it call it calls their whole existence in the question and so clear where they're going to have to do something about that. Right. Tyrian says that you know, basically, what we've proved this great experiment that nobody needs a master. And so they actually agree on that. And so they're going to move forward interior wants to know deniro's. Do you have a plan? And she does her plant is will crucify the masters will set their fleets on fire will kill every last one of this Gers, and then return their cities to the dirt. That's the plan. She's like Kerry after getting the pig. Blood poured all over her at the prom. Like, she's ready to just like completely. Everybody John Travolta, included and Tyrians kind of like, that's what your dad would have done. And your dad was a lunatic. I feel like we've established this or at least somebody has talked to you about this before this is like one thing where my brother has this really bad reputation for having killed the king. He was totally right to do it. You do not want to go down the king that the mad king road. And so she she needs to hear another plan from tearing. And apparently what we end up seeing in the subsequent action seen in marine. This must be Tyrians plan in action. So if that's the case, I feel like end, there's no reason to doubt that that's the case. Given the way that the show presents it, I feel like I need to issue a little bit of an abrasion. Yeah. To tearing Lancaster that I think that he he does a good job here in the marine situation. Alternately in terms of how it's handled right now, he would have handled it if Dani never returned with the dragons, and the doth rocky army is a different story. But at least. You know, it's a combination of luck and good strategy that resolves that untie. Me renews. Not as it were. Right. And they do use some parts of Danny's plan like burning all of the ships with fire. So so they did do get to do some of the things that she wanted to do. But it's not laid out as clearly that Tyrians plan was a good one here as it is in things like blackwater. So we do here in a bit of an apology. I think just a just a touch so fictional character. You have our deepest regrets have been issued. And we hope that you can find it in your fictional heart to forgive us. Yes. And the show also does a lot of work here with setting the table for what is going to be coming in the season. Six finale reset here with everything going on with Dinara says father, right? Yeah. Yeah. We're getting a little bit more information. Here from Tyrian that like, you know, he had the wildfire wildfire is under the red keep, and this is just information that I'm giving you to straight this point about who you're becoming indefinitely not foreshadowing at all that there is still wildfire under the red keep and under the sept- of Baylor and it will go off while checkoffs wildfire. I mean, I do think that we probably ought to take note of the fact that the rumor is caches of wildfire hidden under tons of different parts of king's landing, not just the septum Baylor. And as far as we have seen through seven seasons of game of thrones, only, the sept- of Baylor has been destroyed there should still be wildfire under these other major king's landing targets, most importantly, probably the red keep and as we're trying to forecast where things could wind up for, sir. See specifically, I would say, but potentially even Jamie, and sir see as we're considering the Vallon car prophecy, which is that the younger sibling will kill, sir. See some day. Some people think it's Tyrian some people think that it could be Jamie. If it's Jamie and the wildfire is there and the red keep and survey finds herself in some sort of position where she needs to. She means to pull the mad king's plan and burn king's landing down to the ground rather than surrender to to narrow or whoever could we find ourselves in a position where once again, Jamie is killing his sister. The mad Queen in order to prevent king's landing from burning to the ground wolf version of history repeat itself, I think these are just things to keep in mind as we try to plot the final season airing just a few weeks at this point. Well, okay, it's getting real getting very real super real getting real. So we cut to a scene where we see all of the principals from the marine government with Danny interior, and and miss Sunday in grey worm. And they are meeting with a couple of the mass. Easters, and they are there to discuss the terms of surrender. Yeah. But who is surrendering who this is this is a little bit of a subjective question right now. Well, this is a great line because the show is really presenting it as though because we see this like the window explode. And they're really like explain what exactly happened, but a big window explodes. And then we see Danny interior in with the masters. It's like what they get captured or what exactly is going on. And tearing is the one who mentions like we're not here to trade. Insults. We're here to discuss the terms of surrender. And so the masters start talking about all these things they're going to do. I don't know why they just don't kill the nearest you'll you'll walk out of here on your own feet. So everybody can see that you're a beggar Queen, and they don't wanna turn her into a martyr. I think probably they feel like it's more powerful. If they if they can dismantle her regime nonviolently at least towards her. They probably feel like that's the moral victory in that might be stronger. Yeah. And deniro's a great turn. She says we obviously didn't communicate this effectively. We're here to discuss your surrender not mine now without intentional with Tyrians. Like, okay, we'll make them think that they're surrendering. We're surrendering, but then returned around, and then you tell them. No, no, it's not Ma are surrender. It's your surrender. And then the look on their face will be so good. Yeah. And then you'll get on the dragon, and then no surrender will play over the speakers. And it'll just be a real amazing moment. I think like some version of that make some sense of like, all right? So we tell the masters that we want to talk surrender. They're just going to assume it's our surrender. And then they will show up, and then we can really dunk on them pretty hard. Yeah. A big part of the plan that went right was and hopefully, they just won't slaughter says things. Are going haywire around us. Right. Ideally, we won't just get immediately killed and hopefully, they'll they'll be so stunned about everything that's going on. They won't just kill us. Now, Danny does seem to be able to exert incredible control over drogue on here to have him arrive like right on cue like the batmobile. Well, they seem like they are very sinked up. And I do think that that's probably a point we brushed past fairly quickly at the end of blood of my blood when she's back on the dragon, and that's really symbolically like deniro as the dragon Queen is really back in action. So Danny and her dragons the high point of their career working towards working to together at this point. She's able to fly drogue on really have that emotional empathic connection. I think with the dragons to really steer them the way that she needs to a really cool moment. Also, I don't know if you if you caught this on the rewatch where she's. Talking to them in. And once things are starting to change in the conversation. You can see drogue on like flying in the background them, very very very slightly. And only if you're really looking for it. You can see them. You can see him pass the master's shoulders a couple of seconds before things hit up. He's just like a spec in the background. I thought that was clever detail not just is drogue on the same page. But we're also going to see at the exact right moment. Ragle and vissarion breakout of the walls that they were in the cell that they were in. Yeah. They must have loosened the chains at that point like somebody had to go down there. Somebody had a really bad job that. Yeah. So I wonder if maybe that that was more drogue on was like, hey, come on. We're moving. Yeah. Maybe in dragon language. Yeah. So how do you feel bad dragging language? You've got no issues dragon language make sense to you. I mean that makes. Sense to me that the dragons can communicate with each other. You know, dolphins seem to be able to communicate with each other that that doesn't that doesn't bother me. But you know, if there was some sort of the dragon translator and the dragon France later translated dragon to English, and they're and they're dragging speech. Rhymed would be weird. I'll give that to you. I I agree that that would be strange. Universal translator. But Josh we need to talk about that. You know, we see the sons of the heartbe they are just just constantly just killing all of the slaves. Like they like to do. And here comes the cavalry. The cavalry is writing in and there's their severed heads of planning. That's a great shot. Two of the son of the Harvey getting his head sliced off hurtling towards the camera. And then we're back sailing with Danny and the dragons really great editing in this episode among the many things to praise. Yeah. Lots of cool stuff with a drogue on is burning a bunch of the ships. But we cut back to now teary and and grey worm and Masan day in the master's. And now it's clear that Tyrian and Danny's forces have the upper hand. And so we need to have an execution. One of these three guys needs. To die. And so very quickly. Like, the two noblemen sell out the guy who is like new to the party. He was Tyrian slavers for a while. And how he rose to such power remains a little bit of a mystery clear unclear. I'm sure clear, and we just glossed over the detail, but unimportant, I think is really the bigger deal. Yes. But they're trying to sell him down the river and as their bickering grey worm. Just kills those two guys. Like, okay. Thanks. You made the choice for us. Yes. Grey worm is like a King Solomon for the unsullied. Yes. You can you can't you can't cut the throat and expect to have to throats and walk away if you cut the throat that there's just no more throat. Yes. Out works. Now. One of those three guys has to die the one guy that they said, no kill this guy. Kill this guy. Then they kill the other two guys who said kill that one guy. And they let that one guy live. They show him immersing. Hey, you back you tell the masters what you saw here. So you tell them how they let you live. Okay. Yeah. And next next time anyone has a bright idea about coming to marine and effing things up. Don't forget what happened when the dragon Queen returned. Is this enough is this going to work? I mean, the masters seem very thick in terms of that they get one idea, and they don't come off it. I gotta say I was thinking about this a little bit in terms of. I I have said that like, I can I can very easily see the scenario of game of thrones. Where deniro does not survive the series? Ultimately that maybe her fate is to save west rose rather than rule it potentially at the cost of her own life. But should she die it in the grand scheme of things, and the dragons are gone into narrow gone like what's going to stop people from just like coming back to marine in conquering it, and then really in retrospect, if you continue that thought exercise man, the the marine storyline just gets even more infuriating at the very least like the amount of time we've spent here in slavers bay it feel somewhat worthwhile. Knowing that deniro's able to establish some form of peace here. But if she dies in the dragons dyin that threat is taken off the board. You just got us soon that the masters will come back right gal. So I don't think the deniro's is gonna die though. Oddly. That's the most compelling argument to me the narrative, we'll survive the series because it will make the marine stories so much more annoying. So I'm feeling like Danny is going to make it is is where I'm now. Putting my final bet. Okay. All right. So we are going to go and check out what's going on in the north. And we're going to see the first meeting between John snow and Ramsay Bolton. Yeah. Is that soda real song of ice and fire with all the fire out east and all the icy frosty tension in the north? And how does this first meeting shakeout? Josh not. Well, not great. I mean, it's kind of an echo of the negotiation seen in marine where like both John Ramsey lake show up to the table being like, all right? Let's discuss the terms of surrender in who's who's surrendering which one of us is this similar. Similar like he you give up. No, you give up. You know, you. Yeah. And Ramsey is the one at first during. Yeah. John shows up. He's got he's got Santa with him. He's got Davos. He's got torment. Liana more mine is here, and then the whole Ramsey entourage is here as well. And so Ramsay takes one look at Santa and says, oh, John snow. Thank you for returning. My wife, I'm so happy. She's safe. You know, he lays it out. He says if you if you kneel before me and surrender your army, I will part in you for deserting, the night's watch all part, and you for all these crimes, you don't have the manpower. You don't have the army to do this. You don't have to slaughter all these people just surrender. No need for a battle. And John's no says, you're right. No need for a battle. Not all these people. Don't all have to die. Just one of us. Just one of you, and me, let's just do this mono mono. Oh, okay. Ramsey does not love that idea. Not a fan. No. Brings up a great where he says, I you know, I hear stories about you bastard. I hear that you're like the greatest swordsman the world has ever seen. Maybe that's overblown on not really looking to take the chance. My army can definitely beat your army. I not sure that I can be you. And so I think that it's less from Ramsey. It's less like there's no chance of me beating you and more awake. I'm not sure that I could. This thing. I feel pretty good that I've got you covered in terms of the army. So no, we're not going to be doing this lady Moremon has some really good stink face for Ramsey though. Lady. More mind is awesome. At the stink face. Just like really showing everybody how much she disapproves of them. She. Yes, she's not a fan and so- Sansa is going to jump in here as Ramsey mentions that hey is your brother going to die because you won't surrender. Yeah. And that's that's what it's looking like and Sansa is she really wants to to find out about Rick on because Ramsey's tossing him out as a possible threat and Sanchez we're gonna come to find out has basically written Rick on off at this. Like if Ramsey's got Rick on he's dead. You know, there's very little. We're going to be able to do to change that. Right. Sansa says to Ramsey your going to die tomorrow Lord Bolton sleep. Well to me that there's not a lot of evidence that indicate that Sansa belief this. That she believes that Ramsay is going to die the next morning. No. It's probably just like a really cool thing to say. Yeah. Because she is very panicked and worried about the plan that John snow has I mean, she seems to have the ace in the hole that the knights of the veil are supposed to come. I don't know if she's gotten word back that they are coming. So. But I don't think there's a lot that would indicate to her that Ramsey is indeed going to die. No. But it's a really cool thing to say, and especially to like show your abuser that he has no power over you at that point. Like, I'm all I'm all aboard what Santa says to Ramsay here. And of course, she's ultimately going to be right. She's writings and better. Yeah. She's right. Okay. So we're planning out the battle, and we're talking a little bit about the Tate. John. Did you think that? That Ramsey was really gonna fight you and John says now he just wanted to let everybody see that. He's not even going to fight for his people. I just want people to know. Cool. I am. Yes. Okay. But ultimately, this is going to turn into a conversation between John and Sansa. We're Sansa that her number one grievances here. I know this guy. Why are you asking my opinion? Yeah, she should be consulted here. And again, I think we're gonna get a line about this in this episode and just a couple of minutes here. It's the thing. You don't think about as much with the Davos and torment scene because they talk about some other weird stuff that probably grabs your attention when they are also gonna talk about how John snow is. No king, right. Say Johnston is not a king. We know in an episode from now he's going to be named the king in the north. But right now, he's just a dude rallying the realm or at least rallying. North. And I think in the way that he not only deals with the negotiation with Ramsey, but the way that he is dealing with the battle plans and not consulting Santa. And certainly how he's just gonna run headlong into the fray, not house fray. And not Jessica fray, I think that we do get the sense that this isn't really John's wheelhouse Israel. He's not a great leader. You know, he's inspirational is got the the the right guy for the right time. But when it comes to the head on his shoulders time and time again, I do think in the past right now at this point and game of thrones. And even in the future that we have seen. John snow, not the best at this kind of thing. No, no Sansa while she to maybe not the best. She does know Ramsey's. She does. She knows Ramsey. She has a she has a sense of what Ramsey is capable of what? He's willing to do. And she is a resource to be mined for sure in terms of insight into Ramsay Bolton. And she was not consulted. Hey, what do you think what are is tendencies? What are the types of things that he likes to do and John does start off in the right place. Like, you're right. We should talk to you. Yeah. We should talk to you. It doesn't really matter because he's not gonna hear her out enough to hear about the really hear about the plan with the veil. But I think that Santa what we're going to get from Santa in this episode. I think that communication issue is a big one between the two of them. But I do think that we're what we're getting from the Santa storyline in this episode that she really is the person who pulls in the saving grace the day x mock, you know, at the end of this battle is she's the one who's good at this stuff. You know, John really ought to be leaning on her more. I think in the in the grand view of game of thrones. I think that history will be kind on Sansa stark in. Terms of her leadership ability now. Yes, she did. She was the hero in terms of getting the knights of the veil. But I still left with the question of. Why not mention to John like, hey, I know this is a shot in the dark. But you know, I said the letter we waited another day. There's a chance these guys could get here. He's not listening to her by. She could've mentioned it needs shut down the conversation. He said, no, I don't wanna hear it. I'm gonna do this the way that I'm going to do it in your opinion. Doesn't matter Sansa. I mean that seems like that that would be good information that you would want to let the person who is planning the battle. Because he does seem he's not like shut up. I don't wanna hear anything. You have to say. Yeah, it's better for drama. This way always much better for the show. Drama for us to not know that this is on the table. But this you could've Michigan mentioned, it, wouldn't it wouldn't kill. Maybe I'll allow that. Maybe I'm not trying to hate on Santa here. I'm just saying like the more comedic version the nest of the of the fan says we're coming for you get you're gonna wake up to a million tweets tomorrow morning from fans nation, we you know, we just want to have everybody be on the same page. I agree. I okay. All right. Everybody should get along. And Santa's whatever you do. Just don't don't do what he wants to do the he lays the traps, you know, trap Ramsay Bolton. He lays the traps. Yeah. Sansa? Also, we're not going to get Rick on back. You don't know him that he wants you to make a mistake. And so Rick on's gone, John. Rick gone, baby. Yeah. John's. Hey, I'm not gonna let him ever hurt you again. And Sansa says I think this is a pretty. Important line because I think it sort of summarizes sort of like the world view of game of thrones of no one can protect me. No one can protect anyone. So are you can protect anyone my modeling that right? Right. Yeah. That's a good point. I'm not sure if they incorporated the house of black and white I wonder I mean, no one can protect me is they're going to be some situation in the future where Arias going to protect Sansa stark. Some sort of big some sort of big rescue operation or guard duty where she's going to. Maybe you know, really be clutch for Sansa in the future. Yeah. That's interesting. Queen's guard, captain the Queen scarred. Aria stark let it be known. It's known. Okay. We are going to see some other talk amongst the generals going into the battle the bastard does Dabo sin torment discuss the ill-fated leaders that they followed to this point. Yet is a good scene like this. Underrated seen in battle the bastards. Yeah. Between Dabo sin torment talking about they both followed kings, and it did not work out. But Jon snow is not a king. Luckily, yeah, he's not at king. And I think, you know, it's it's a it's a very compelling line. Because we're at a point in the creation of game of thrones. Where it's not like a far off thing that Jon snow is going to be named the king in the north. It's literally the next episode as they are writing this piece of dialogue that Jon snow is not a king in Davos says. No. He's not the very next episode is going to crown John snow as the king in the north. So what is a line? Like this supposed to tell us in the long view of game of thrones. I think that the very easy of full on fantasy tropes full cylinders version of game of thrones ending would have John snow be the king of west rose. Right. Like would have John snow b the person who's in charge at the end of the day. It would be like a full return of the king type of ending. And I think that game of thrones has not been that predictable. And I think that a line like this really suggests to me once again that John snow who we know has a real claim to the iron throne. Should he and everybody else ever find out about the extent of that claim? And even if they don't if he and Danny workout if he engineers are able to really make this thing work romantically. He would have shot at being her king. And I just feel a game of thrones doesn't want us to feel like in the end of this John snow's going to be in that spot. Something for me. The signs are really pouring to John's no final death by the end of the show. Said story. I just think that's where it's going to go. It doesn't go that way. Yeah. I hear you. I hear they seem to not like the monarchy overall. I feel like that. We don't end with with king. Right. I just think John snow's a better character. He's not in charge at the end of the day. John snow's, a better character. It's kind of openly accepted that he sucks it being a leader. And he's better at being a soldier. And if he is the ultimate soldier for this. Great cause in this war that that's his destiny fulfilled that his life has. Meaning that way, I think that's a better way to go forward with China's a character than to have him be signing documents and presiding over tournaments that just doesn't feel right for the character. Okay. All right. So we have a little bit of discussion of the pre-game rituals for tournament. So torment he's got what some sour goat's milk. Yeah. He's got a jug the stuff he's got a jug of sour goat's milk that he offers that is like really highly for mentored stuff that I'm sure Luke Skywalker would be into. But 'Davis apparently does not need any help lubricating his insides on the eve of a battle. He's got a different tradition. Yes. That he likes to walk and thinks and walks and gets far enough away. So nobody can hear him having severe gastro intestinal distress. Yeah. Yeah. He says it a pretty colorful way it really paints vivid picture to the point that we are going to see a scene of DAV owes walking really far away from the camp later in this episode. And in my mind, the whole time, I'm just thinking this poor guy stomach must just be stranded. At this point, the tension is like at any point is he going to drop trowel, and what's going to happen. Yeah. Poor devas. Torment has a gray line there for a for for these locking away where happy shitting was sitting what he says to happy shitting. Indeed. Okay. So John and Mila, Sandra. You're gonna have a meet up John wants to let Mel Sandra know. Hey, if anything happens me Joan bring me back, I'm done. None. Our no second chances. No third buys no third chances. He doesn't he he wants to go back to the nothing if he does. Yes. And she says, well, it's not really my call. I sort of serve at the pleasure of the Lord of light. And really his call on this. I don't know. He made me bring you back last time. I have no power. Yeah. If he makes me do it again. I'm going to do it. Yeah. That seems weird that a God would want you to do all of this stuff. Yeah. And he wants to know why why did this happen? And I don't know. I don't know. I didn't ask for this. But this is what's happening. Maybe you're you're only needed for this little thing. He brought you here today. Again, we just don't know. Yeah. And so, yeah, maybe he brought you here for just this one thing. Maybe that's what he needed you for just to come back for a little bit. That works if it's John. Not great. He wasn't happy. No. He didn't like it. Okay. So we are going to go back to when we're time da Voces knowing as he's walking. He's also going to find interesting trinket. Yeah. And if he wasn't soiling himself with fear before ease now soiling himself with rage. I think as he realizes this trinket he is picking up from the from the ashes hitting the idol. Yes, he's found. He cannot be killed at the battle of the bastards. It's a Tyler Perry. Trinket play it for one battle. Yes. It's it's got a time. Limit on it. Okay. I think it's probably tired Perry style. I think that no one can touch us. I think he's going to be fine. Okay. All right. We go back to marine and the great joys are here, and we see Dinara interior and talking with Yara and theon about and Tyrian does not love the great joys not a big fan. And for the reasons he lays out, I think may will say the great joys. What a Moji is the grades right? Not. Thanks plant. No, not the plant. Yeah. He says the last time we saw each other. You were making jokes about my high. You're making all sorts of jokes. And it seems like things have been going pretty poorly for use instant. So who is laughing now? Yeah. And so this intention there between theon and Tyrian, but there is a l'armee lack of tension between two narrow and Yarra. Yeah. No to narrow likes Yarra Yarra really likes to Narus. Right. Like, this is like almost I think that this is the scene is like it's like all flirting. It's like like it's like, hey, we're having like an important meeting right now. I like it. I think it's good. I think it's great. I think it's it's it's very fun. I enjoyed the the yarn generis dynamic quite a bit. I think given how little game of thrones. There is left even heading into season seven. You can't be that mad that there isn't much more than this one scene. This one scene is really really fun. So they are going to work together that we see Jahra talk about your on plan, which he's he is on his way over with a marriage proposal and more. Yeah. He's got a couple of things he wants to give to deniro's. Yes. Some of them are parts that theon does not have correct. Yes. And so do Narus not interested. She is. Not interested in that offer of marriage, which does come with a lot of ships. Right. Yara has a great line where she's like, here's what I would love for you to do. We want the iron islands back. That would be great. We would like you to help us murder and uncle or two who don't think a woman is fit to rule. Denarius? She likes that. Yeah. That's reasonable. That's reasonable. Okay. But deniro's has one thing that she wants. She says, okay. Here we go. If you wanna work with us. This is what we need to do you need to cut out the reading the roving the rating in the raping the big four. Ars the air all very important things to remove raving. I think it's probably along the lines of rating. Rating the reading and the rating is probably probably similar. Yeah. The with the three RS let me see let me see of reading is any. Let's see Reeve carrying out raids in order to plunder done. Yeah. Yeah. The wreaking no more wreaking. Yeah. No, more wreaking. No more rating, the more roving roving seems harmless. Yeah. Why can't you rove? Yeah. That's just like going moving, essentially, right. I really feel like if we could get it down to the the rating in the raping those seem like the bad rating. No more raping would be sinked rose ring is basically tourism. Yeah. And that's like going to be a cottage industry at the iron islands. I guess, you know, if they're saying they're going to stay in the islands. I guess luck. No roving off your island. Just stay there that. Without the proper paperwork against, but you know, visa. Yeah. But reveal your own island. Yeah. Okay. Josh. And so the Narus in Jahra day they to that. Okay. Even though you are that's that's their way of life. Now, not anymore. Okay. I'm just really glad that it seems like the show is going to Yarra Yara past Yara having to explain that to the iron islanders because you can't imagine that that's an easy sell. Here's my platform. All of the things that we are known for. We are going to stop doing lease just like don't ever show us having like I don't ever want to have to see a scene where she's really pitching the iron islanders on the terms of this thing with only six episodes left of game of thrones feels like very Mercifully. We're not going to have to experience that. I mean, I wouldn't be mad at seeing the conversation play out of that. We can't rove. Yeah. I would be mad at that. You like to travel. I love traveling. I'm big Rover to rove. Yeah. Okay. Rove howard. Doesn't quite the same ring to at round Rover. Yes, kind of red Rover ish. All right. Let's get back to the battlefield. And we get to see this whole big setup that the Boltons have brought out all of their top flayed men for the occasion is great man field. This all sequences is really terrific. I think we're about to veer into the territory where we're doing a lot of like describing what's going on. I don't think that there's a crazy amount of analysis to happen here in the big battle the bastard sequence. But let's just say right off the top so good. This is so good. This is it's really excellently done. I we loved blackwater when we got to blackwater back in season two, and I think especially because season two so painful, otherwise, but like I'm feeling like very similar sensation. Watching battle the bastards through. What has otherwise been a little bit of a slight he season six. Yeah. And this takes place during the daytime. So you can see a lot more of what's going on. And it's really well done as a couple of moments that are just like one long shot, and we'll do our best to describe. What's what's going on as we veer into all of this? But somebody who's not so good veering is Rick on stark. He should be roping in a better road for that. He is neither a good Rover Nora. Good vera. No, no. Yeah. He's being asked to pretty much literally play red Rover right now is is what Ramsey says Ramsey brings out Rick on. And he says do you like games little man? Let's play a game. It's called red Rover. And he's telling Rick on you got to go and run to your brother. The sooner you make him the sooner you get to see him. That's it. But you do have to run. And there's going to be a bow and arrow involved and it's going to involve Ramsey shooting. Arrows at Rick on as recon is running to John snow, and this is the trap that Santa had warned about that Ramsey doesn't fall into traps. He sets traps and Johnstone now finds himself in the position of falling into a trap. Yes. And you know, so frustrating to watch a wreck on run in the straightest line possible where you wonder had he considered diagonal running the may be could even voided this fate. Yeah. Yeah. This this was a big argument around premiers ius, the Ridley Scott film. There's a character who is killed towards the end of the movie that if that person had just maybe zigzagged a little more they may have survived or even just like run to the hard left actually in that case probably aren't left or hard bright really would've worked instead of straight was really a bad way to go. But I mean, like if if what we got like if we ever get a scene like this in any kind of show in the future where there's like a moment where clearly the character should be zigging zagging instead of running in a straight line. And we do get that where the character does indeed zig zag and makes it out of the situation alive. I just wonder how it's going to look it's just gonna look very is going to be comical almost. Yeah. Very funny to see him. Zigging zagging across the field. I don't think it would have looked right. We'll just look very strange. Well, we're not going to get that here. Also. So I wonder why Ramsey didn't shoot a second arrow and hit John snow right after John snow really is stops down. Once Rick on gets hit because Ramsey's a tormentor that would be to ease. I think I think the point that they're at now with their info blown battle mode at this point that I think that Ramsey Ramsey wants to wants John to snuff to suffer a little bit more than he does one of the interesting things about the battle sequence year in the battle the bastards John is set up as sort of like the champion of his side. And you know, I think is sort of like ready himself to be sort of like at the center of a lot of the action. But the for the most part like the the the battles sort of like goes off in different directions that don't necessarily include Jon snow. Yeah. Well, I think that that's good choreography. I think it's good a strong economic use of the episode run time, and I think. If the if the whole episode is just following only Johnstone through this battle. I think it would have been a little bit boring. But I think the camera is just on John and like get like, what would you know, almost like the the saving private Ryan esque scenes where it's really glued to him and showing you the horrors of war. It's really amazing. It's just the the camera work in this episode is just really ridiculous. But there's a couple of moments where right here where you know. Okay. Here comes Ramsey's forces on horseback. And for the most mostly ride pass John snow like that they don't make a real concerted effort to take out John snow, right? Well, there's other business to attend to the fact that there are the hundreds if not a few thousand people on John side that are now charging forward. I think is a little more of a priority than just taking up. John's. No. And then we also see later on like, Jon snow just sort of like, you know. Smushed up against like a pile of bodies. And so it is not a glamorous series of events for Jon snow. No game of thrones is a high fantasy series in which high fantasy battle and action occurs sometimes between dragons and white walkers oftentimes between men, and we don't always get the big battle scenes, but when we do and the show is at its best often what we're getting is this idea that war. These these scenes that you're really excited to see are going to illustrate just how frigging awful this stuff is in reality. This isn't glorious work. This is terrible dirty. Frightening. Sandy, you know, it's just it's not good. And I think that when when the show is at its best. It's really illustrating the messages of pacifism that I think Georgia are Martin has layered into this universe that ultimately that's what he's appealing for through this really violent world. And really illustrating just how how deplorable violence is. But I think that this this sequence here probably highway it's better than anything. We've ever gotten on game of thrones to to date there. There are rumors of the final season having a sequence that's going to make this one look like child's play which I can hardly even like conjure an image of not not not with Chucky. Okay. I would not be happy to see anything. Have we gotten Brad Dorothy in the game of thrones universe know, feel like he's a that's brainer. Anyway. Okay. All right. So from there, what are some of these these highlights coming across if you were going to describe the battle of the bastards, John there's John snow who's the the collision of horses is one of the most amazing shots. I think the horses collide John snow is going through. He's biting everything. There's a great scene of even before that of him with the sword out and just facing off against the army of Bolton forces before everybody collides, then there's him like in the trenches, basically. And again, it really just feels it feels like a World War Two story almost for a second there when he's like going around in. And he tries to go to this one guy. He's trying to get him to like go back and report to somewhere back further down the line in that guy's just like shot in the head with an arrow right away. It's just intense. It's crazy. We see also then like the top guy for the phrase of name. Oh, the the number. Always I believe that's right that he John. Yeah. That he ends up in some big battle sequences with torment. Yeah. He gets his throat fitting out or something or is irritating off either way. It's like whatever it is. Like that's the lights out move at one point. There's like the failings of Bolton men with their shields and their spears, and they surround everybody and Jon snow is like into of bodies at one point. He's like birth doubt at the pile of bodies. That's very evocative. Of course, we know that there's going to be a Johnson birth seen one episode later. So here we are. We're seeing him reborn in the in the blood of the battle in this moment. And it's all looking like, it's it's lights out for. The stark forces. Luckily, we are going to see some reinforcements coming to bear. Yes. Eventually we're going to see when things look at their absolute worst. The absolute need dear of the battle for John's forces or even one one the giant has taken a lot of damage. Wow. Yeah. On my God talk about a thousand lives won the giant really is able to whether some horrible stuff. Yes. We see that a shot of the knights of the veil coming across. Yeah. And our boy yon Royce. He's here is here. It's real it's happening on yawn. It's real. Fizi? I feel like you probably enjoyed okay? Yeah. But the knights of the veil they show up in that's the real turning of the tide of the battle bastards in Santa's like there with little finger. You feel like she's having probably like I told you should just listen to me probably having a moment of feeling really good about this decision to bring the knights of the veil. Okay. All right. So John is going to spot Ramsey Ramsey will retreat back to winter fell. And they will lock the gates and be nice and safe in there. Yeah. John and torment and one going to be running on foot to winter fell that always had like a real feel of speaking of Lord of the rings like it's like very era Gorn and gim Liam like running around for for days and days. I just kind of looks like fits alongside that. But we're gonna follow Ramsey back to winter felon. He's still gonna feel like we're good. We're fine. We got this. We've got winter fell. They can't they can't sees us. Like, we're gonna be okay here. We just gotta wait out and little does Ramsey know that John snow has a whole and that whole is one one the giant one when the giant is going to be able to burst open the doors of winter fell at the expensive his own life and at the expensive much damage before losing his own life. A great moment though, for one giant ego shot in the hand with an arrow at one point rips it out just like he doesn't even rip the arrow out. He like moves his hand up the aero in splits his own. So apl. Yeah. Not good and. who won the giant poor one out. Went out for one when the giant who who gets shot in the eye by Ramsey to finally take him out. He's like will Ferrell's character. Austin powers, though. Like, it's like you think he's dead. And then like it just takes so much damage to actually kill the guy. I'm just shot with a bunch of Aaron me be right in the eye. Yeah. All right. So Ramsey is now confronted with Johnston says, you know, what that battle or that offer you made for solo combat. Let's do that. Now. Let's do that just shot him with arrow. Yeah. At this point. Maybe it's like, we don't do the torturing thing with John snowing. Maybe at this point you kill John snow instead of maybe even instead of one one one one looks pretty rough. You probably have time to load another arrow and still shoot him in the eye. Well, I wonder maybe if the Ramsey would've been said if he could have gotten Jon snow to agree to sort of like the one on one battle, then shoots him with the arrow. Then everybody have to stand down up we agreed to one on one. I just shot him with an arrow. So all right on your Mary little everybody. Yeah. Just lost the war the war. It's it's one on one is what we get any way instead of one one on one we get John versus Ramsey and this cool little fight. You know, really Ramsey's no match for Johnson. Once John reaches him, but the hallway grabbing an arrow and shooting at John and John blocking it with the shield and just keep keeps pushing towards him. It's really tense. It's really really cool, very tense. And ultimately that once Jon gets there. It's over. Yeah. Lights out is able to really put Ramsey in his place. Ramsey's very good at torturing people and just being absolutely horrible and despicable. But when it comes to fisticuffs for his fist to snuff, he is not able to take on Johnson. Right. And so John is just beating him to a pulp and John pulls up. Do do. We know that John feels like, oh, I bet. My sister would like to really get the death blow on him. I bet. Vet Sansa really wants to literally. Feed Ramsey two dogs. It was probably let her do that. No. I think that it's probably at this point where he's just like greater than my wrath. I think so I think so he wants to he wants to lock Ramsey up as a sign of better than them. Yeah. But but then Santa is able to just kill him. So it's not like Rick in Neagh thing where it's like, hey, we'll put him in jail because we don't do what they do if anything let let's give him a more torturous death. Yeah. Well, he doesn't have any control over Santa's. No, no, one can no one can tell Santa what to do. So aria can tell Santa what to do. Yeah. Has power percents. Okay. All right. So we cut to Ramsey is tied up on the chair who who did that just like a bunch of the. The Wild Wings. Did that time? I I've questions about all of that way who tied up Ramsey and to quote the bomb and who let the dogs out. How did that happen? How did how did who who wake safely was willing to go into the dog bit? You know who did that? I don't know. Maybe there's like some sort of like a garage remote control where you can open the dog cage from outside of the kennel. Yeah. Maybe maiming a good point. Yeah. Sansa is safe. She's like behind like a gay, right? Has anyone ever scored the scene of Ramsey getting eaten by dogs to bomb ends who the dogs out? Like has that been on the internet yet, if shut up Tim already, then I probably nobody has. But they have their scene together. And it's the grand Ramsey finale were even he knows that this is this is our time together as about to come to an end. Yes. So he says to Sansa the line. You can't kill me. I'm part of you. Now, a lot of speculation in the moment is Santa pregnant with Ramsey's child. There's been absolutely nothing about that. Since we've had a full season of the show since this moment. So I'm I'm willing to to give that take zero ear buds at this point. I feel like that didn't she say something in an interview that also Sophie Turner of that stabbed plea shot. That's not happening. That's not happening. And I think it's more like our experienced the pain. I inflicted upon you. You're you're an animal now, you're gonna be you're going to be different than you were before. And that's what Ramsey is trying to get across the impact of his abuse is going to be washed upon Sansa forever and Sansa is going to have a very different opinion, where she's gonna say, no, no your words will disappear. Your house will disappear. Your name will disappear all memory of you will disappear. And I think through the next season of the show. Santa's really not seeming to give Ramsay Bolton much mind anymore. So good for Santa. She really is able to just wipe this scumbag off the earth, would it have been better. If Ramsey said to Sansa that you can do whatever you want. But I will be. Living in your head rent free for eternity. I guess that would have been okay. Yeah. Okay. All right. The remake. We'll get it. Right. All right. And so the dog just comes over starts just like licking licking. And then go right to a right to a real vicious bite. I feel like that. That the dog either comes out biting or gets to aggressively. You know bills like that from it's like that Ramsey is like how many licks it take to get to the center. Ramsey's head run to three chump. Right, right. I now hearing that I would've loved to seen als eat Ramsey. Beating by maybe maybe they'll be in season able see is somebody gets eaten by house. Oh, man. Every great. I think that Ramsey is the dogs have known only Ramsey Ramsey's their master. And so there's like some reticence on the part of the dog because it's my master. I don't want to eat them that being said, I'm starving and Ramsey my master right now he looks like a snack. Yeah. Although with he maranda was sort of like the dog master, right? Yeah. I think her father was keeper of the kennels or something like. Yeah. Okay. All right Sansa does not even look back to gross. It's a total cool guys. Don't look at explosions moment and Santa's walks away, and there's all like the vicious explosive violence in the background of Ramsey just screaming and Sanchez a little smile. And that's the end of the battle the bastards. And it's a hell of an. Episode. Really, really great. Okay. Really one of the bats one of the best one of the all time greats. Yeah. Nailed it. Excellent episode. Excellent episode. Yeah. All right. So Josh, we've only got one hour one hour plus of game of thrones left to talk about here and season six I can't wait. I'm really excited for the finale. The winds of winter. The only one we've got so far is the season six Allie coming up. It's going to begin with the glorious light of the seven sequence. I actually watched it. The other day the episode I was so hyped on battle the bastards and I had to keep going right away. And I watched the winds of winter and spoiler alert. That's that's a really great episode of the show as well. Six really does end on quite the high note. Yeah. And it doesn't matter. How you get there? I think we remember how how it wraps up more. So than the than the journey. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. There's some stuff in this season. Kind of just like oh. Yeah. The high points really are pretty terrific bright. Okay. Josh such fun to be back with you to talk about some more game of thrones. It's been terrific. What a great what a great day. We just had lots of fun. Really good time. We talked about the bottom in. Yeah. Surprised who knew who? Yeah. All right. Great work. Josh we follow all of Josh's outstanding work for t HR at round Howard Joshua that since we've recorded a podcast. I feel like that you have. A lot of fun game of thrones pieces that you've posted. Yeah. We've been doing this new series on the Hollywood reporter called final path where I am. I am making my final predictions for the main characters of game of thrones. Before the final season is upon us. We now have an official premier date for the final season of game of thrones off the top of my head. I believe that is April fourteenth. Maybe. Teens. Let me just do the quick search on that. It's the fourteenth April fourteenth. When game of thrones is premiering it's final season and in the run-up to that once a week for final predictions for the characters of game of thrones. I have already done John snow. Jon snow generis Tyrian. Those are already up. Certainly lancaster. She's on deck. She's coming next. This has been a really fun series to do or there's a lot of retrospectives on some of the great moments for these characters over the course of game of thrones so far and also these final projections for where they may wind up. I'm looking forward to being wildly wrong with these predictions. But if you want to get my final on paper predictions, if you want to know what those are for these characters follow T H R dot com slash game. Thrones is a great way to check all that stuff out. All right. Great stuff. We'll be back next time. Don't miss any of our Star Trek discovery. Recaps right now on post show recaps as well. Take everybody. Could one by. Special thanks to our friends over at truecar for sponsoring this up. So of post your recaps every car comes with share of stories that dean your bumper. 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Survivor 38 Episode 11 Wiggle Room with Josh Wigler

Rob Has a Podcast

1:20:42 hr | 1 year ago

Survivor 38 Episode 11 Wiggle Room with Josh Wigler

"Learn. Learn. Learn learn. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Here we are in heaven is not getting Mudra on you on the war dog. Eight is talking with Josh wig ler about survivor. Yeah. UB do you know what that's worth baby heaven is with Wanda shirk in the wiggle room. I r- up the Corey be remember that last time we were out a mudbath together. No. I thought that that had happened. Maybe there's a dream the other evening. Are you a mudbath guy? I don't think that I've ever done a mudbath. I imagine that. I would hate it. Yeah. Is my instinct, I'm I was going to say I'm famously against massages. But I don't think that that's a famous position famous is probably the wrong word in my personal life my private life, which I'm now I am now leaking into the wiggle room. Really don't I don't like to be touched in that way. It makes me uncomfortable. Very nervous. My body tenses up and gets very close up. I really don't like to be massaged the idea of my back being cracked is a nightmare. So I think that the idea of of somebody like like very weak artfully lubricating, my body with with healing Seon slack. It seems that seems like like like an actual. Harm movie comes from. Yeah. So. Not my thing talking with Nick about this. I feel like I would do it. If I was on the show, but it would not be my idea of good time. I think I would probably be like squealing with laughter the entire time. Like the way that I often will do on the one I think is probably what would be happening is that like somebody would be like lightly, massaging, my my flabby bodice with the dark mud's, and I'd be giggling. Uncontrollably. But it would not be out of pleasure. It would likely be out of pain embarrassment and disbelief and probably just like the very baseline sense of tickling the like cling. All right. So now that that our you is the quest- our do I've been very lucky to get Josh Wik ler as he takes a break from all of the morning and eulogizing going on over in game of thrones to stop down and mourn. Eulogize wardag. Yeah. I don't even wanna talk about game of thrones right now. I only want to talk about the war dog. I gotta work on my word arguing but. Yeah, that's it. That's it for the war dog on. He's on thin. Yeah. Gabby had the great take. Gabby. Gabby is tweet on that was very funny. And I probably cosign I think that the the war dog run while still technically active. I would be very surprised to see war. We the person who returns from the extinction. Yeah. In the near future. I think we missed a great week of exit interviews from a war dog. Yeah. I mean, I do I do think that's I'm lamenting that this season very much, and I expect that I probably would for the very selfish reasons from a professional standpoint. But also just in terms of hearing from some of these people in their they're more natural habitats as they are watching the show unfold and being able to express what was going on and to get on here in hop on the line with you. I feel like you versus the war doc this week would have been very compelling material and not necessarily an adversarial kind of way. I just think that it would have been the kind of exit interview where you would have asked an opening question, and we would have gotten fifteen minutes of of unfiltered response. I would have. I would have on the we were out there. Okay. They want who beach in different killer where they go up and then and then keep and windy. Okay. And it's over it's over you. Don't get another word in the entire time. And he's just talking to you like a dog the hallway through. Those are offered the great exit interviews, so hopefully, hopefully, what this is all said, we'll get the retrospect, I think we're really going to be missing word Eigen the in the very near future. We didn't even get to the Chris Underwood boot. But I see I know you very they gotta run. So we'll see you on finale night. Yeah. We're lucky that we got to keys we got as far as Keith that man. Yeah. I'm I'm really gonna miss dog out there in the active game. I think that he was he was bringing a great energy from these past episodes that we're going to we're gonna tragically miss. I think that as I've been saying I feel like a berry bump puzzled about edge of extinction just overall, but be I think that the season had been taking a turn towards towards the George significant entertainment upgrades from from where it was in the early portion of the season for me, largely in part because of sort of ward unpredictability was a big factor in it. And just as general Tony us. I do think I'm a sucker for that type of character on. Survivor. So I guess I'm excited to see what that looks like on the edge of extinction. But I would have said that he was like an actual winner potential a potential winner candidate. He was still actively in the game. I think that I would basically completely rule him out at this point because he's just ungodly terrible. In those challenges. Very candidly in this come from somebody who would be even worse. So I think we're going to miss him from the main game. And I'm curious to see what what is the sweet and sappy edge of extinction scene with the war dog. Look like next week. I don't know of such a thing can exist or if it just becomes a situation of him in ream madly screaming at each other. Which would which would also be very very fun. If that would be very fun. Let's focus on the seven people that are still in the game. And I thought that a lot of the focus is we Josh was on Ron Clark on interested to know, your thoughts on where Ron story goes from here. Well, I think that there was a lot of focus on Ron. But I actually do feel for the first time. There was there was focused on on a few other people who either I hadn't been paying attention to or I've had my eye on but are moving forward in ways that I wasn't necessarily expecting like, I think Julie remained a really active presence on the show this week. I agree. I'm still feeling really good about having drafted Julie first overall in our winter draft a couple of weeks back. I think she's very much still in this thing. And she is the one who is in her conversations with Lauren being like, I think Wardag a little bit scarier than Devon's not that Devon's is an active inactivity available target this week. But I think that her articulating that on on the show even early on is at least for me, it feels like we're being clued into the back that Julius head is in the right space in terms of where the votes ought to be going. So really liked what we got from Julie this week. I really loved what we got from Lauren this week as potentially like the kill Bill. Vengeance quest for trying to really reclaim this thing. In honor of Wentworth could be a fascinating story. Arc to to follow of so much of the season had been about the returning players and them not fitting in comfortably with a much wider group of new players. All of the returnees are now on extinction. And now it really is goonies time to shine and to see Lauren kind of pick up the torch and move forward. I think is now a really compelling storyline on the board. Even Aurora had a lot to do this week. Gavin starting to crack out of this show, Victoria, maybe regressing a little bit Devon's doing his Devon's thing. And then, of course, the question that kicked off this rant. Ron who? I would agree is somebody who were seeing sort of in that like traditional active forward momentum strategy role. And I'm really impressed with Ron Clark. I really am. And I think Ron Clark, maybe I've been underestimating all the way through as far as somebody who could potentially bring this thing home. I think him going against war dog this week. I actually really like the move alternately. What is it that you like so much about getting rid of war dog here in this spot? I think that Ron is finding himself in a position where he he came into the merge with the big comma strong thing he's the first person to take a shot internally at Kama with most everybody agreeing. That let's take out Joe. This is our our time to take out Joe. So it's a fairly bloodless affair. And then once the comma blood starts flowing from there. It's really not run who started that he's fairly blameless in in all of that. When when things go crazy against Julia. It's a matter of survival for Ron at that point having already been burned the move against David is a pretty easy consensus thing for someone like Ron to get on board with the move to take out Wentworth, a very agreeable move for a guy like Ron to go after the last returning player in the game to you know, to that point on his resume as he is building that out and to take out war dog. Now, who is the person who's probably getting blamed for a lot of those moves, and who is being seen as such a threat at that point. I think maybe earns him some favor with people who are already currently on the jury, and I think with this majority comma crew that is now still in. The game. I think Devon's probably feels like he doesn't have much of a choice, but to work with Ron moving forward because I think Devon's is options are really, narrowing. And I think that Ron's options are reopening in in a way that is so much more flexible than I would have predicted for him given his position coming into the merge. I think the comical apps was the best thing that could have happened for Ron's game in a lot of ways. A well. I would like to respectfully disagree because I've you this right now with, you know, please don't accuse me of being a fish back in contrarian for the sake of the podcast. But no, we often agree though. So I I'm here for this. So I really look at Ron at a point right now where I'm seeing potentially his agency and options are shrinking right now. And in terms of this past vote, I wonder if war going home was more of a product of Julie saying, and we saw her with Lauren in the. Reward. No, it has to be war dog. I insist Wardag as the vote not Devon's as Lauren was pushing for. And so even if Ron Clarke had wanted to keep more dog in the game. That's only three votes against Aurora in this round of voting. And if Julie wasn't on board, or even if she was that only gets it to four, and I wonder if Ron was sort of forced into this move because he didn't want to be on the wrong side of the numbers. And I actually don't think he has a lot of different ways to go. I think that he sort of love locked in with having to make this work with Julie and Aurora, and I don't really know where he is going to go next. And I think that he's the next big target after Devon's I think he's probably the next big target after Devon's, but Devon's is such an obvious person to go after next I feel like at this point somebody who's like truly. Someone who's been wrong on a lot of things along the way. So not to say that he should be the biggest hard because he's the most threatening person in the game from a strategic standpoint, he's whiffed white about she's been voted out his the easily agreed upon target by the other six people in the game that who's their number one target. They can all say Devon's that's the easiest piece to take off the board. But if Devon's say wins, immunity, again this week I easily see a scenario where Ron is going home. I think Ron could be in trouble. But I think that Julie really does feel connected to him. So I think to to get out Ron would be leaving Julie out in the cold right now. And I feel like that's something that I don't know that Lawrence going to want to to risk that. I think Victoria, seems like somebody who's just gonna vote wherever you know, the numbers are. So if she's included in a plan like that, I think she'd be down for it. I guess shouldn't underestimate Gavin's willingness to go after Ron given that if he's already targeted Eric who seemed like his airtight best alliance in the game. At that point in time that I think to try and understand Gavin's motivations at any given time for me feels like a little bit of a mistake. So. Yeah. Maybe maybe maybe you're right. I don't know that it's necessarily even that I feel like Ron is like was the one who led the charge on the word vote or anything like that. But I feel like for for him. If he's able to finesse this moving forward, we see in the preview that he wants to do something funky with the the advantage menu. That he still has no longer usable. But is bluff -able that. If he's able to do something creative with that. I feel like I feel like the story is laid out in favor of Ron at the very least. I think that there are still doors that are that are open for him. And I think that him knocking out ward being a part of the collision that takes outward argh in this vote. I think at the very least if he's able to advance for the next little while he's had a compelling part to play in a lot of the take downs so far. So I I like that about him. But I think that there's probably other people that are still in Troy. Like, it seems like a roar is at least consideration every single time now home her time has to expire at some point unless she's able to just kind of survived by the skin of her teeth through challenges or whatever it ends up having to be. I just feel like I feel like we're here with Ron for will. I hope so I've really enjoyed having him on the show. I just think that the way that this season has unfolded where it's the people who quote on quote have the resumes, and they sort of like are standing out like the tall. Poppy of. Hey, I've made a move. And then he is the one person in this group that people can point to and say boy, Ron somebody. Who would look pretty good in the final three. Let's take him out next. You're saying that Ron Kirk is the opinion me of tall pappy. Yes. Yes. Basically, I just think that that would be easy case. Like, hey that could be our big move. We take out Ron. Yeah. I. Feel like I feel like we'll have Ron another week, which is probably why aren't about why he won't make this week. But my fingers have never been so far off the pulse of survivor than they have been this season. I feel like I feel like everything that I know is wrong and of my instincts have been wrong, so far so Ron Clark may be in the mix this week. Who knows we'll see just as we're following the story of survivor the edge of extinction. I one of the voice mails from this week's feedback show that I want to bring in and then have you away in on. It has to do with these storyline on the edge of extinction. It's a little long. Let me let this play out this voicemail from one of our listeners. Stephen, hey, Robin. Nick, this is Stephen I wanna talk about a really great emotional full circle moment that happened in the episode. I bought my eyes out of no one around me could understand why I was crying. So Kelly went worth goes to extinction island rains telling her, you know, our usual her usual welcoming saying, she's not welcome. And she's real mad at her. So Kelly sitting out there crying, and she gives her long monologue, which was really well, Bokan and amazing. She always is because she's great and. So after all that Kelly's laying out there in the sign and Rame mind, you the first episode Kelly coming for rain rain coming for Kelly Kelly's ruined her reams chance to play survivor. But after all that after Ramos told everybody, she didn't want to be the mother figure this great great scene happened. I wrote a poem bounce a little high Q for rob has a podcast. I'm not sure mother screw you do d- healed my dream, but don't get sunburned. I just thought that was the most amazing thing she she doesn't even Kelly to have the slightest bit of discomfort even though she's been out there for thirty days. Almost just mad at Kelly went worse. Thank you so much Rame. You brought so much please come back. Bring rain Bax deserves another chance she's given so much to the show. Thank you. I want. I want to know do you guys? Thanks it Brima play. Again. I think she should all-star game changer. Okay. So great, cloud COO and a love letter to the great room. I don't I don't think that you are I are gonna come on here and disagree at all with the love rim. Damn well, I had said in the podcast with Nick I thought that Devon's is probably the number one returning from the season. But then I had re-met number two the people that should the returning play or the new players that should be brought back for another season of the show. So you know, how I feel about ream? But I wanted to have you weigh in on that scene because I thought that really was a beautiful moment in survivor to have where ream goes into her whole thing about Kelly ruined her game. And how you know that she's really she holds Kelly responsible for killing her survivor dream, and then at the same time, she comes out and stops Kelly from getting too much sun and. Having any discomfort on the edge of extinction. This is the same woman who didn't want to be anybody's mom, but his been exactly that to a number of the castaways this season. Well, I think what what it is is that remake daily and one of the reasons why I think her becoming the the mayor of extinction. You know, being the first person who gets to to go out there and kind of be the Representative of of twist of the season if the theme of the season is that she is beyond its her being like the mother to these people or anything, she's just she's a Frick in authentic human being. And she is she is nobody except exactly who she is. And there's no falseness with reams. She is hysterical often intentionally sometimes deeply unintentionally. She can bring us to these emotional moments because she is. His so raw that you know, she is going to let you know, how she's feeling about you. And that can be both. I'm personally inter personally is with you. Because I feel like what you did by being out here. And by playing against me the way you played you ruined my dream. And you're the reason I'm here, but you're also a human being, and I don't want your skin to turn Ron we all have to be out here together. And she's just she's such like, a well rounded human, and I feel like I think that there are probably other people on this cast who could have been voted out first. And we still could have had somebody who is such a champion of the idea of what they're trying to explore with the edge of extinction of like who are you? When everything is taken away who are you when you are hungrier than the than the hungriest survivor players in the past been who are you when you are more bored than the most board survivors players of seasons past. That's definitely something that they're trying to test here. And I think the take somebody who's like such a. Hyper frenetic personality in so many ways like ream to to have that be the person who is at the forefront of of this theme is in in so many reasons is in so many ways the reason why the twist is working if it's working for people, and I know it's not for everybody. And it's not always working for me. But to have her on our screens every week, and I feel like it's the kind of thing where obviously the outcomes or the outcomes, and however the story is going to play out. It's the way the story is going to play out based on how it shook out a year ago, and they filmed it, but there is I think like a little bit of an active quality do the creation of television product, but creation of the season. I would guess this without knowing anything. But I would guess that. There has been a little bit of a feedback loop on just how much Reema is resonating comedic -ly but emotionally as well. With people that I think that they are realizing they have such a gold mine with reams that we're getting so much more from her. At these like end tags at the end of each episode, even come up with an emotionally compelling scene with rematch. She connects to Kelly Wentworth like that is that's the that's like the poster of the season. I think that that's something that they always look for when they're when they're making these things I think approached is talked about like in the survivor podcast, or maybe it's not as popular but advantage get an in game changers being something that really lives up to the billing of game changers. There's a few moments like this for me throughout David versus Goliath, whether it's Christian versus Alec in that challenge or the David's pooling their resources together and affectively using the idol fire is is like the embodiment of the whole what is the advantage idea? And I think as far as the edge of extinction is concerned. This was probably this was the point. You know, this was the moment the scene between Riemann went worth like that is really a lot of ways. I think what they've been. Going after and I agree with the poem. It was beautiful. It was wonderful. And I actually think that of all the people on this season rim daily would very easily be in first position for me to bring back from this cast, not even close. Yeah. She has been such an addition to the cast, and it's hard to imagine that a first boot has been so impactful in terms of the course of the season. But I really think that she is the person who has made the edge of extinction worked whatever degree you feel like it's worked. I think that one hundred percent of the credit goes to daily, you know, I was thinking about this too. It's hard to envision the road back to the game for ream just from like the challenge perspective who she's going up against. I think she had a secret scene shortly after she went back to extinction where she's like look up against like the challenges are going to be really difficult. I don't know that I'm going to be able to get back. In here. But I'm going to keep pushing and I'm gonna be here the whole time, and I do wonder what reams shot of outlasting some of these people or outperforming some of these people in challenge might be. But I in the universe where she's able to out challenge. Beast Joey amazing and lean gets back into the game. Somehow, it's hard to know what that path to the end would be, but I feel like remake daily versus anybody in the final three is unbeatable. Like, I feel like it would be impossible to not vote for Rima. Specially when you've got her facing a jury that is going to consist at that point of people who at the very least a majority of the jury will have spent time out on the edge of extinction. We'll know how hard that experience was and for Rima to have gone through it for the entirety of the season before coming back in. And I think also just as we're trying to scratch our heads figuring out like who's going to win this season. Like, you can't just look at the active crop of players. There's the very likely chance that the winner is not laying traditional survivor right now that the winners somewhere out there on extinction. And if that's the case Wentworth is is still very much in play based on this scene that we got this week. I was one of the better ones that we've had if somebody reflecting on their time on extinction that I think ream it's it's so hard to imagine how she gets there but remained be in the upper half of. Winner candidates for me at this point. Okay. I don't know how you would get there. But you know, I dream daily about survivor champion ream tail. What is what I try to do try to actualize the vision and the number one season in my season rankings after this. I think it's probably the only thing that could happen. That would keep it in like top half seasons for me is a real daily victory. I would probably would make it pretty elite. But the funky season of all time is the one that daily is the champion of adding been voted out. I earlier in that same season. It's probably not going to happen. But man, oh, man. I would be thrilled. It would just be. It'd be the greatest thing all time. So as we are glowing about the scene that we got from the edges extinction this week. Are you surprised that we didn't get anything with David Wright? And Kelly went worth in fact. David Wright, other than council was completely purple in this episode. We did not see anything from David Wright. And after so much of the story. This season was David versus Kelly. I'm surprised that we didn't get a moment of the reunion on the edge of extinction, especially because we saw Kelly with the other returning players. And if not even just David in Kellyanne surprised that we didn't get a shot of the four returnees on the edge of extinction of like, boy, how did we end up here? I mean, maybe that shot doesn't exist. If David has decided to like move into the mountains, you know, v is decided to pick up stakes and leave camp and go live closer to the rice, or whatever if he's just decided that he will not be part of this -ociety option. I have no idea we have no idea we have no idea what life is like out there because that would be ideal. Probably if you could just set up your camp next to where they deliver the rice. That seems like like the Moore I would go that's where I would go. You know, if I if I could at least I would spend like most of my time out there. I think just like wait for my wake my daily meal, and I wouldn't move. I wouldn't move much. Josh. Man. I don't know. I also liked by the way, just to go back to remain really quickly that during tribal council when Devon's was talking about how everyone at camp is acting like a bunch of Julius Caesar's with knives in their hands. And then they get caught. And it's like, whoa, dude. I believe is more like describing the way that he described Julius Caesar's language felt very rim daily s like I imagined ream daily playing the part of Julius Caesar. Also that maybe the story was not conveyed correctly. Season of fiery metaphors of crash and burn metaphors. Yeah. So it was a off week for Stephen fish back to miss the. No, it alls where given us the proper Shakespeare of at all. Yeah. Is DO for me for Kelly and David there's only so much time in these episodes for them. There's so much to choose from much more. So this season than they've ever had before and only so little time, and we're not even really getting a ton of the bonus online content anymore either with the lack of Ponderosa this season. That would the senior describing any kind of like reconnection between Kelly if it existed out there would have been perfect for that. But I think maybe they feel like we gotta do one nine edge of extinction and a reconnection between Wentworth who is the last of the returning. Players to be removed from the from the active game to have her with such like internal mythology within this season, connecting to remake the first person voted out and to have reams who was not crying on her way out the door, but was exasperated and frustrated with Kelly Wentworth, very specifically, I can tell you from having witnessed that tribal council to now be able to come up with this moment where Reims can in her room daily way almost take Wentworth under her her weighing in almost help Wentworth have a moment of emotional awakening. Even though David Wright is such a great storyteller. And even so much of the season did have this. Storyline of David v. Kelly. I feel like the connection of Wentworth back to Reims is probably the better story for the overall theme of extinction as as a concept, and I just don't think that there's enough room in this episode. For both of those things. But maybe it'll come next week the next week. They also have to try and figure out some sort of way to have a touching Wardag extinction scene and have a family visit and the challenge on top of that. I'd be like next week's episode is tracking to be one of the weirder. Busier episodes in recent survivor memory and just go back to something that you mentioned in terms of not getting any bonus information. It does seem as though the pilots versus passengers tribal council might have also broken the secret scenes where we had the tribal councils that were sort of like one day after the next or maybe even the episode from before Eric boated out where it's just very weird that the secret scenes for the season which had been as it has gone. The last couple of seasons of after the episode. We get a bunch of secrets that has just stopped your midseason on the CBS all access. I've heard that I've become. Such a casual that, I don't even seek them out anymore. So nothing. Well, that's what I heard. I'd heard that really late. I heard that, you know, a few days ago was the first I might heard that I've no Intel on why that's the case. It was a product of where there was a tribal council the day after that makes sense that maybe there was no secret scenes or any sort of confessionals that were shot because that they had so little footage here for the and then the next week with the double episode, and I said, okay. Well, maybe that also, but then this week also really after that first episode of the merge, we haven't gotten anything, which is just another bizarre thing here to the edge of fiction. It's so weird to me. And so so insane to me frankly that on this season that is the double stuffed Oreos of survivor seasons that we are not getting any. I'm gonna pilot and passenger my own metaphor here. I was gonna we're not getting any any extra Cup of milk to dunk these cookies into, you know, the the digital there's no Ponderosa. We're not getting any secret scenes there's so much. There's so much. Having that everybody except for two people from the starting lineup of survivor players. This season is still in the hunt for the million dollars. And we're not even getting that bonus content is is. Secret scenes are over. Yeah. It's just such a strange season to do that for where I think you can really feel the strain of struggle of where the showed its run time makes it impossible to like really fully express what's happening out there. Like, you can just imagine the amount of material that they're that. They're not able to pack into an episode for whatever reason because they just have those time constraints, frankly, like if they're still looking for things to to ditch I think get rid of previously on survivor completely stop bringing that back just make choice and stick with it. And I think at this point it's probably too late because we're so deep in the season. But I don't need to see war dog go to the sign. I know he's picking up the torch just showing there just at the edge of extinction at the a couple seconds yet. But that's that's like it's probably like fifteen seconds that they might be able to do something. With if we're not even gonna get the secret scenes than like stopped showing us the foregone conclusion, we know that everyone's going to the edge of extinction. We don't need to end the episode that way every time I dunno rambling. It's it's crazy to me that on on this season specifically where there are sixteen people still in the hunt for the million dollars. Not only do are we at a point where there's no Ponderosa, but there's also no bonus content whatsoever for the people who really love seeking that stuff out. Is is definitely surprising to me. I've no answer for it. I'm as shocked as anybody. All right. Well, with that in mind, let's start to move towards our second half of the show where some wand offs are getting played. I let me take a moment. 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Lilacs just filling up the nostrils these past few days. They're dead. Now. Go any villages? And. If you need to you can leave your. Happy. Just eight your. You could. Happy. Here. We are only a couple of one offs left to go in the edges of extinction. Of course, Josh we are closing in two when we are getting close to the finale of this season's wand off. And then that's when my everybody who didn't make the final wand off will compete with a chance to get into the final onto off, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding briefing that bow those hats, those hats that's called these next couple of weeks. Chicago all you have to do is win the wand off to get back in the game and get into the final one. But that's he said we've got some dates right linked to some dates to out there for the peeps. Let's talk some shop as we get into last week. We had a very controversial final you say very controversial. That word and save lightly. I mean, there was almost a major coup where the wand off artists almost took out Casey K some of von awareness. Very they were very unhappy with everything that Casey Kasem was doing in December and just another another thing going against Casey Kasem emerging Casey case. And then I'm I'm set. They were people were upset people were upset because they felt like, hey, well, we don't have enough time to put together a final wand off in time for a show at the end of the season. So this season the way things work, and we don't have a Christmas to deal with here. So what we're able to do is be able to let the one-off play out a little bit more here at the end of this season. John saying the wand off as a little extra eagle room a little extra wiggle room. So let's just lay out the schedule for the this season's final one-off four the interested parties and the listeners of because the survivor finale is coming up on may fifteenth. So the final the final week to win entry into the final one will be that final episode. We will room of the season. So the week episode thirteen edition of the wiggle room. We'll be the final chance to win your way into the final want off. And then it songs for that week for the may fifteenth wiggle room. You are Wanda may may thirteenth. May fifteenth. We'll be the alley of survivor the edge of extinction. And then Josh, and I will talk about the finale sometime on the sixteenth or seventeenth. It is the lead up to the finale of game of thrones. Which is something that judge is very busy covering over a T HR dot com slash game of thrones. So on the the sixteenth probably the sixteenth, maybe the seventeenth according to schedule allowing we will do a wiggle room. Final wiggle room of the season to talk about the finale, and then sometime throb ably may twenty second of twenty nineteen the date. We're looking at it's marked off on the calendar. That is when we will play the final wand off entries from the people that have qualified for the final one. And let me say I had a time. Time. Let's cap at two minutes and thirty seconds. If it's two minutes and thirty one seconds. It'll be disqualified from the final Wando. Wow. Well, my God, the one second is sexy. I like it. I'm expecting to see some two minutes twenty nine years in there. Okay. That's fine. That's some two twenty nine. Over three last time. And then whatever you want, whatever, you whatever you want it to be about dago. Okay. So that's going to be the we own editor the survivor finales. Okay. All right. So and then at some point in the future beyond that, we will reveal the winner of the final Wanda off in a mechanism to be determined. But the final wand off show will be recorded on may twenty and twenty nine thousand nine plenty of time to come up with songs that fully incorporate the totality of survivor edge of extinct, Xiang. Yes. And so that deadline will be on the Tuesday of of the strip the stroke of midnight on may twenty first eastern standard time. Yeah. And I will hopefully still be alive considering the game thrown series. Finale is may nineteenth and is set to dominate. Eight every last fiber of my being my human being. Okay. All right. So that being said Joschka, let's look back at last week's one-off for episode number ten as. Award another win in this season's wand off in third place with nine point four three percent of the vote. It was Stacy from Maryland with we are the passengers I like that one. Does that was fun? That was good job. Stacey okay. All right in second place last week. And this was. The one that got a lot of media attention because there was a choreograph dance that was put out for Becky and Taylor what the war dog does. Yeah. What the war dog does e shaves his beard into a strap. You got got that chinstrap. Yes. Instrument going watch the war dog dance video. I did this impressive moose if if if they still had the mecca out there in the Fiji-based survivor seasons. I think war dog could win his when his first challenge. I think many other weeks Becky Taylor would have won the week without one. But they ran into a juggernaut with forty two point zero four percent of the vote with Mr. Tyler Jacob Jones, making educ at of nothing at all. I know that is sneaky and. Can love. Got facial muscles. A beautiful ballot. I know people were saying that they listened to it time and time again time after time. Okay. All right. If in some difference, Josh that being said, let's turn this over to the man at the center of all this wand off action. He is the host of the Wanda of back four his his fifth season of a one-off. Is that right? Thirty five or six or seven the fourth season of one. Yeah. Gary is Mr. Casey Kasem. Rowden? Josh, it's a pleasure to be back here with you on the Lund off. But before we go any further. Josh I just have one game of thrones question that I need to ask. Yeah. Of course, absolutely anything for you considering that you you've been keeping the crypts of the wiggle room safe. So gotta gotta here yet. Casey. I wasn't sure if there was something wrong with my TV. But was it supposed to be that dark? He was really dark really dark. The night is dark and full of terrors allegedly. Who's very dark it. So. So hard to say I thought for a second. I was watching the sopranos finale. That you're onion rings more onion unite fewer onion rings, Josh let's get into this week's wand off. And of course, the wand of artists were very inspired by the events of this past week. We're going to kick things off with a wand off from one of the emerging superstars of the wand off. Here's big Irene with a song about this week's voted off contestant. Well, David Wright is Emma says apparently that was a thing voted him out and say. But then he got a little to pilot show, and he turned on and he connects to go. Little everybody upset by trader sees later. If only challenge that. Great. That was classic earworm from the behave, man. That's a keeper keeper war dog gave the wand of artists lot of material to work with this. We did. Yes. He did. Here's DJ de magic with an ode to war dog. Who? Then when we're through bees. The BBC BBB. Trump spoken. Warnock style. That was so stupid. But it cracked me up from Sira. Don thomas. Sound jobs? Next up more of that war dog getting voted out of the game. This time from the granted family. Bro challenges on it. Man has known. That was from Carly ream Jepson. Awesome. Did you see Queen ream on Twitter this past week? I did not I have all social media mentions turned off. So they don't show up on my phone. She she tweeted out a picture for base superimposed onto sir c Lancaster's body and wrote when you play the game of thrones you win or your lame. Which was I'll take some credit for that. I suggested that to her. You sent ream a private message. And or you may the mean, no, she had she had tweeted, a word, frankly at worse version of the same joke earlier in the evening, and I replied to and said should be you win or you. Wait, your lame, dude. And she tweeted out the correction, much higher social engagement. I have to say looking at like two hundred something I'd like at the moment should be higher than that. Maybe it will be after this one. Do you think I need you telling me at a run my social media, or I honestly, honestly is Lee honestly to be completely honest with you. I would quit off my jobs in everything I'm doing in life to become reams personal manager. Listen list. We'll take you up on that after the season. All right. We're tight leash right now, pending salary negotiate. All right. All right read. It's my part of the show. And if I may continue here comes Andy from Wisconsin talking about the war dog. Now, this is a story all about what happened after I got voted out. I tried to myself with all the threats, but I got eliminated the same week is my Brooklyn nets. On edge of extinction. I arrive at tribal council was total line side. I have to admit that this wasn't my plan. But saying passengers worse than calling me, Dan, maybe vote Kelly people to or surrounding the as soon as I get there. I hear enough she said. Rear and you're going to get it tomorrow. I can't want to challenge because I can't I ever throw in. How am I supposed to compete with both Chris and Joe for you can't come me out yet? Let's be honest to final challenge could be money back. Rub. Contest. Some people said I would never make it this far. But the that never nicknamed tattooed on my arm now on I don't care. I'll sit on my throne the fringe with. No there. He's got hair. It's there that was classic from Willard Smith one writes it so at Andy from Wisconsin could work on keeping up with the tempo, but he's got jokes for days. Great jokes. Great jokes, forgivable tempo. Slights tastic jokes. Here's a collaboration. Speaking of mud bath contest. Here's Michael Clark and Lindell from Australia damning in heaven like Rick Devon's dog. Yes. My eyes. Pacing. I know the dog easing. Hey. Excited. Much. One two. War. Dull? Make some bull. That was from the croup van chicken Morrison. Damn maybe John Morrison. That would be good. Next up more on that reward. Here's another newcomer to the one off who's been making waves. Here is swaggie. Jay. Of this. They want and. Who's your? Rick Devon's we have had of in down. We need each of the now we're on or this game. This is the time to. Sign three. I know loyal sees now brand tower show you is. And I can do anything that you need on your back out cake, mud own you make you asked me to. Access then we'll rinse Todd bass out on you, you feel Brin new mud from the head suits. So Devon's though key us. This is from my favorite artist of the week areas. Splice to MENA. It's only fitting that Joe MENA gets in on some of this. Tony clone action. Not for nothing to you. Seeing Wardag go home on a week where he much like Tony wlac goes is covering himself in tons of mud scores. Some notches on the Commodore for sure. Taking up next up. Here's Kerry talking about this week's voting strategy at tribal council. Everyone's. They voted. And they say. Everyone's. That was from my second favorite artists week DJ, Colleen Lasko. That is a great mental image. And finally to close out this week's honorable mentions on a week when there could be many more Arbel mentions. Here is Abe from LA talking about our Queen of the edge of extinction. Really? If not for. Edge of station. Those. Bure's dumb out on days. So see why I'm so. Every. And your. Ew, gross. A beautiful song written by pastor. John lennon. Wow. That was you know, a Barry appropriately beautiful song for the most beautiful scene. If the season. Big fan big fan of that one a heck of a base week out on their rain. Just like Bryce base, boys. Josh are you ready to hear the top five songs and all of wombats nation or ready? Let me just be up front and in full transparency. Jeez. This will be a top six songs all of wombats nation competitive field. Rob has been talking to me, and I'm listening. Okay. First up. Let's talk about Audrey s from Dallas with a song about Kelly's journey on survivor. So. On this. Cut the Gaudio cut. The audio. Kelly are using fear is finally out. Out what the hell took them. Long. I was trying to do that all three which ended up eating. Weeks ago, you'll be getting my full foreign limit. I will sit out here. Darkness. Everybody here is not at someone destroying our homes. To get it off my chest with this is the. Yeah, we learned that everyone was faithful. We were staying. These pants. Suck again. Three. It could. Then if I. Candy. Because this is spy sweep. To see. Sup- says. That was a great number from Rehana ship here. Paint that mental image painted next up a love it. It's a man who's won the wand off already three times here in season thirty eight here he is going for his fourth weekly title in season thirty eight here is Alex g. This game won't go the way planned back from extinction blindsides, but now in panned buns start this drink then in one again back with sue. But now that David gone these towels field so smooth God. God. Dog. That Jerry cheese. More dog just to try. Oh back. Don't mind. But it felt so nice threats. My new side kid I've dreamed of this day one. I don't even know your real name does. I think that we are getting laid in some danger. It's not what war dog do not how they play this game. But this but feels silky smooth. You. More jobs liked. With war dog on next will be. Dog to try. Package Wanda of bow. I felt so nice threats side soon. Rubbed. Now, he's out. That was from Katy Gallagher Perry aka Katie name that Perry. Komo's so. Popular immunity from an earlier season of survivor. Yeah. I don't remember it. Forgotten it. Speaking of Becca, Devon's this loved ones visit coming up. What are the odds that we see we see her on the show? And then we hear a Wanda from her about her own appearance on survivor that is that in the future. I feel like that might be frowned upon. Well. I mean, I'd like to see. Next up. Here is Jason Lee. Who's had some close calls here in the wand off top five here. He is with a song about rain. Carbon. It sucks. On here and diarrhea. But now what's going on? Got the green. Going. We can tell it. With her. One. Experience. Target. Gun again. Experience went to. With her. Yeah. An extinction. Fiction. You bet your ear and you're gonna tomorrow. If that was classic rock song from Joan jetty. Next up here. But you got is Robin from Rochester who is still confused about what Rick Devon says when he wins immunity to. Then asking Google just what is the lead? She's Orie would she's are- as a super fan strategy is what I love. I'm not saying that golf's not a game people watch. But it's not one that. I find fun are the tread dad toss game is on them. With dog was painfully awkward on your new catchphrases. Rogue. Every challenge with celebration strains. Call to be explains two hundred and ten people also good your phrase on Wednesday between a and ten. Cast is from. Devin. Something different. The show to search random golfing, bro. Wanda straight to my heart. That was from marshmallow and seabass steel. And I believe Rick Devon's is shouting out the Tony Kornheiser show. Not a golf podcast. Okay. Well, but people also yell that out at golfing events. So I can understand the confusion. Don't ask me. This is where Devon's partways this is where something happened earlier in the time stream where you got into cheese REEs. The only cheese area. I like is Chuck he's. Next up. Here's Matt from Waterloo. Getting us ready for this week of survivor podcasting. First of all when I look at Jane, I wanna say. Fifty it's down to this challenge. Out big threats strategy with the biggest left his dandy, currently then to civil can't. Never been wanted. The time has come out saying everyone would be painting. Painting. Got to go. She'll be. Voting for. Right here. Try to pay war. That was price. Indeed deal. Right. All I ask him on this weekend. When he thought about a Wanda off of what you look at for fizzy, and then to close out the week in the top six here is a man who's already won a one-off already this season. Here's Bob with two Bs talking about his wishlist for the edge of extinction. I wish for that went with was playing in this game. I wish the pope's still announce all of the jurors names. I wish we would post an in depth interview with Kelly. I wish the guy sixty-nine and made it to my tally. I was said and win was. But now we get to revel in Kelly on the pants. Face it blurts, just which things. Blurts just switching. Back. Sometimes to protect myself into a cast off on the side. And I'd like to see big emotions in their bullpen y themselves like my handlebar fan. I wondered that's abundant because I'm never satisfied. I remember when Jonny fairplay showed up bits faded. We stood. I could but I guess Jeffers and I was thinking that the season only, but then Kelly should can shot a wicked ways the ball with chatter. She's got your face. It hurts just which things. Just which. Zero. Got with me. Oh that was cameo in that one too. That was from the group twenty one pilots and passengers. Of course, you can vote all week long in this week's one going to rob has a website dot com slash vote. Wanda the tabulated Kurt Clark is standing by to throw out all the fraudulent votes as people cast their decision for the winner of the episode eleven one off only to one offs left in this regular season. Of course, you could listen to all thirty five of this week's tracks on our wand off soundcloud playlist available to the patrons of autism podcasts at rob has a website dot com slash patron special. Thanks to Randi, new pool for putting everything up to the sand. Cloud to Jason Curtis Rivera for making the music videos and to all the one-off superstars for lending their talents to this nonsense week after week. Great one is a great great one Duff nominal honorable mentions phenomenal up six and a lot of great stuff that didn't make it to the show. Yeah. Just stacked musically stacked. Josh hope everything is going okay for you thrones world, and you don't have to visit the Tom Atroush that would be my goal as well. But I am overdue for a visit by about two years until next time. Remember, keep your feet on the ground and keep your hands off the table. All right. Casey kasem. Thank you. He's a little too much time on the game of thrones stuff. But but a good job this week by Casey, I'm used to it. I'm used to it. Everybody thinks I wanna talk about game of thrones. To be honest with you. It's fine. Talking about gaming runs. It's fine. Trying not to be a jerk. Hey, Josh covering this theory by. My intermodal combined. I've never heard that one. Yeah. You know, I was thinking about I don't know if the books are ever coming out. I don't know. All right. All right. Josh quick to get back to work. Thank you for all your time to get into this stuff. Here's great today. Of course, you could follow everything Josh is doing over T HR at round Howard and go. Visit T HR dot com slash game of thrones. If you're looking for a game of thrones podcasting. Have you already? Have you already podcast over on series regular no series regular is going to be a little late. This week is the big battle episodes hard to do the series regular monologue. Ing that I've been doing on that podcast. I'm going to get together at Dan Feinberg. And we're gonna record something mid week. Are also going to be recording something together rather soon. We're live after the episode last night on post show recaps on the snow at all. If you wanna check that coverage out on post show, recaps a dot com. And then Josh we'll get into our game of thrones feedback show on Wednesday. So it's still time to send us your game of thrones feedback questions GIO Tia Poche, recaps dot com. And of course, so much coming up here. This week news. Af is going to be next. And then Stephen, and I will be back in our regularly scheduled Angelina did a great job filling in for. It was amazing. Oh my God. I love hearing from Angelina on the podcast. Yes. She was great. And we've got a really fun week of podcasting coming up because I've got a ghost island double decker here for you on. I'm going to be speaking with Dominic Abbad Tei and Kellyanne Bechtol one podcast. Yes, raviol-. Indeed. And I don't know that I love you talking about double Deckers. We're talking. Yeah. Yeah. So they're going to get into that on Thursday night excited about all of that. And then it's a family visit and it's time for Bryce Isaiah to come in for the feedback show this weekend, so pack show Liana Boris is going to join us on this week in survivor. So lots of great stuff coming up on the pied a double decker for Liana as well. Yes. Yes. So lots lots of stuff coming up. Thank you so much to the patrons of rob has a podcast for making all this possible that basically my life that I have my family is priority number one. But then just below it is serving the patrons of rob has a podcast because they allow me to spend my life doing impressions of a woman that was on survivor for three days, and I am very grateful for that. My your. Family. You are family. Yes. On my gosh. Yes. Exciting on the spot or my brother from another mother, Josh Wrangler. Oh my God. And you to mean better than my I'm real, brother. I love you Benji. Okay. All right. Great. Great work on the podcast. Yeah. That you've done. Yes. My best friend. Who's my actual vest rent? And other than anyone else's listen to this feel is your brother listening to the end of the widow. I don't think so probably. I do love him dearly. He's of course, you are better better better men, and friend to me we have two families in this life, the family that we get in the family. We choose. I choose you choose. Yes. All right. I choose you detective Beka CHU. Yeah. My kids. They don't see that movie. They like poking around the really I'm hearing. It's great and very good polka Mina here. This is a strong Pokemon film. Yeah. It's taken them to see vendors then game. Are you know? It'd be it. Sure. Maybe we'll go through the whole MCA when they're older. Oh my God. Yeah. He's call me for that. 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Survivor 38 Final Wandoff with Josh Wigler

Rob Has a Podcast

55:53 min | 1 year ago

Survivor 38 Final Wandoff with Josh Wigler

"Yeah, that's right. Josh wig, ler. What a pump up jam stop, right there, own, my goodness, and literally stop right there, if you're not a fan of the Wanda because this episode is just all wand off all the time all one, final one off a we did it, where here and the wand off artists requested it and they got it a full episode dedicated to the final wand off of the season. I am very excited to hear what our finalists have cooked up because I think that listen, there's a little bit of controversy in the past about rushing, the timing on the final off in not having a final one that could take the full season into account. Now, imagine the universe where that was the case for this. Reason for the edge of extinction where we could not take into account, the actual winner, most likely of the edge of extinction. If we had had the final wand off a week before the finale, we would have had no wave knowing that Chris Underwood was even in the mix let alone, the winner of the whole thing. So I can't wait to hear what you've all cooked up. I'm so excited about it. And this is just gonna be the best time ever. Okay. All right. So just to set the stage here a little bit of what we're gonna do today. We're going to actually listen to some honorable mentions coming up that were submitted about the finale, and then we're going to listen to the submissions from the weekly winners of each week's Wanda off for this year. And this is actually gonna be real treat for me. Because normally I have to listen to everything along with Casey Kasem. But this time I'm going to be listening to them for the first time with you, Josh. Wow. My god. My reactions will be on par with yours. I gotta tell you that listening to a wand off with fresh ears is one of life's troop leisures and to do, so on the air is always an opportunity to embarrass myself with howling laughter. So I look forward to you joining the on this journey. So this could be pretty wild. Who knows who knows? This might be a huge mistake. I haven't only Randy new polls, listen to everything, so. Need to be censored that Randy didn't give us the heads up on. We will be in the work for a new Randy. No. Be tough because there's only one rain is ready to top five human. Okay. So that's what we're gonna do here today. Josh, let's check in a little bit. I think it was a week ago today that you and I talked about the finale any other survivor related thoughts that you can discuss. Yeah. Will some that I can't? A lot that I won't. I'll say that I haven't like, I haven't stopped thinking about the way that the edge of extinction ended. Well, I can't stop thinking about it. I can't get survivor out of my head, and that's for a bunch of reasons right now. I keep thinking about the end of the edge of extinction. It's just kind of like the WTO nature of it all. So I don't know if that is the intended impact or not. But that is an impact that it has had. Yeah, I'm sure as we hear some of these songs they will they will trigger more thoughts along the way. Yeah. But yeah I'm still thinking about it a week later. I don't know if that is the Mark of a job done right. Or a job gone RV wrong. But I am still thinking very much about the season. Third survivor living rent free in your head all summer long. Yeah. I did have the hot take in conversation with somebody in the survivor community, who I won't identify that. Survivor edge of extinction was survivor shower thoughts, and that, like the edge of extinction itself was like a shower thought that maybe should have stayed in the shower. Yeah. There was a lot there. Got a whiff of that of that of that of that day in the shower and showers, did they tend to smell good for yourself when you're in them? So got there's some human odor to, to waft into your nose. Which is probably not great. Also, some of it smells like shampoo, some of its mel's nice. Yeah. Okay survivor, South Africa came back. Did you have a chance to watch that not yet to? I'm very first episodes. It was it was really fun. And I am looking forward to. I'm going to be on with Shannon gates and Mike bloom on the episode to recap of survivor South Africa coming up this weekend. Yeah, I would love to be on that podcast. At some point down the line. I have not yet watched the first episode, I'm still recovering from game of thrones. Finale action, which I'm, I'm just now starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel and will be a normal human being again in a couple of days. I hope or as normal as I've ever been. And one of the first orders of business is to is to get on this. However, South Africa chain. So I'm very excited about that also we've got a musing race recap coming up for the double episode this week with myself and Jessica lease and Mike bloom, recording that later on tonight and Josh and I recorded our feedback show about the game of thrones finale over on post show recaps, so don't miss any of that. Yeah. And maybe maybe a game of thrones thing or to still come, so keep your ears out for for more stuff on the post show, recaps, okay before we get to the final, the final on off is sponsored today by our friends over at stamps dot com. Now, look, nobody has time to go to the post office. We're all busy, some of us podcasting all day long and who's got time for the traffic parking lugging around all your mail and packages. It can be a real hassle. So yet about that you can't send a letter. To yourself, Josh unless you're working with stamps come or it's much more of a hassle. It's a lot of work to do it without some assistance. Yes, stamps dot com is fantastic. 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Crazy, if you're not using step SICOM, and you're sending stuff out and going to the post office. Okay. Yeah. All right. All right. Josh, rob? Let's get to our honorable mentions this week and we didn't get a toll of entries this week. But there were some people that were so moved by what they saw at the finale that they needed to comment in way of song, like the one to calm Motte comments. Yeah. Love, comments said, no one. I am excited about that. Because that means if it's if it's a smaller honorable mention pool than the your your odds increased because we're gonna we're gonna open up for people to vote on the top honorable mention that person's going to win Awam bets hat. Okay. There's some skin in the game for for the people who were on the edge of Xing Xin. All right. So that's not a terrible. All right. We're going. To then allow you to vote or rob is website dot com slash vote Wanda for all of this. So let's go ahead and bring in the host of the wand off for the final time. Here he is the five hundred season. The great Casey Kasem, sim, rob could you believe that while survivor finale? Well rob, can you? I guess. Late to the party case that was crazy guy who wasn't even in the game went on to win the whole thing. Yeah. No, we got it. I just hadn't had a chance to give my take. I thought that was something that we've never seen before. And I never thought that we would. Awesome. Yeah. Casey, are you? Did you like it? I thought it was good was going full Bloomberg. He didn't like it. I was full Bloomberg on Wednesday night. This week, you never wanna go full Bloomberg. But we need to talk about the honorable mentions for this week's final one off and we start things off with a great friend of the podcast named shut up, Tim. Oh, God tone center, and shut up him his docking about something that has nothing to do with the survivor finale. Previously into wiggle room. Sent me a hat that sucked so bad, that even I couldn't defend it as a mate is of worst windows, long, tat. Hey, josh. That. Good to say. Wong? So. Songs go leave. They turn. She knows you my. Give me that bad. Way. Off your hands. Thing. Accurately represents. I think. Reichen backstreet boys. Yes. Ragbag sleep with tips, referring to the combat that I talked about when we announced that we had the trucker hats for the repeat winners, this season that the place that I got the hats room. They sent me like another version of the wombats at just one as like. Ooh, look at this shiny. Don't you want this version of wombat, and I looked at it. I was like, no no, I definitely don't. It's bad. And it shouldn't see that. It's like it's it's another trucker hat. It's, it's got like the white run in the meshes blue, and it should be good or decent at least in theory, but the materials and it just doesn't want great. Same, if you want it. I will just give it to shut him. I will I'll I'll I'll stamps dot com my way into getting that to shut up him. So is shut up Tim out of the running for this week's wombats hat, I don't think that my heart could handle him, actually getting a real one, but I think I could handle him having the worst one that set. So I'll get that to you. Tim, considered son, take him out of the mix. The runt of the wombats litter. He is the ghost of the of, of the one bats litter. No, no disrespect to the actual coast to is you're with us right now case, none taking. That game of thrones final episode. Josh though, I bet you know, Casey could we sick with stuff that happened this week? All right. Very late. Stymie only get one phone segment. Oh week. Give all my takes about stuff. Yeah. Next up. We'll get to the real Arbel mansions and here is forced of will talking about that survivor. Finale. That was from CC low green ceelo. Screw you did next up with some or commentary about survivor, the edge of extinction, and what it all means. Here's Brad black and gold. Remove control. Does your? Been syndrome next on the highway. Titles. That was from the band r e m. Yeah. That's good shorter more to the point. It's not gonna make me crack the way that. REM. I. N G, T, O, N did. But I still like it. Next up here comes Morgen S. And she wants to talk about the winner of survivor edge of extinction. One jump ahead of the ropes course one drop of the ball. Go soul winning prevent favorite Joe. One, tribal Neidl. That's all deficit toast. The jury hitter. Seeks thirteen days. That's craft line four five. This is not fair. Two. A lot going on there for maybe the best part was the slow Gavin. Very, very slow Kevin was very, very good. Now was from the hit film, young Latin young land and is also very good. Next up. Here's Isaac from Wisconsin talking about a general theme. I survivor thirty eight. Filled with Dan moves aubrey's ride. Let loose Georgia's painting. Dr king, just go the Jew. He behind. In her pocket. That's mean. Now I wonder who would win because blunder. Sad. Under blunder. Two. Colin passenger. This you win home. Who do you think you? Nothing Jerry common e. Oh, e sometimes he you say strategy. Rodney passengers seen him smile in from a couch win this season ended randomly. Klunder mazing from the group. Imagine dragons slayer. Yeah, I'm imagining it and I like it. Two more Arbel mentions coming up this week before we get to the final, one off K, the first of these next to which both have something in common that the last verse had to be cut because. Christa should not be played on a pod gas. But they both had a lot of good stuff. I here's Michael j Clarke talking about the winner of survivor edge of extinction. Freeze was. Thirty. Teenage. This thing. Ready? You win you wrote it out. Untangled feed Joe. Games. Yesterday, just learned. That was from the boss. Bruce, Ken guys. Shifting. Yes, he can. He can Springsteen all he'd like. Brains versus brawn vs boss. Maybe there is did it wrong jar me. We've got one final mention and it comes from the collaboration of Jenny and Phil. Wow. And they're talking about our winter. Chris definitely with great flame was great. Chris Wayne was great June crews that flame was great. It was great, Chris great. But you Chris blame with great great. Chris was grade. Chris was great. That way was great. Chris lafley was great. Ever. Chris. Todd Cooley man was brought in through, but big Chris, the fresh breakfast. And for dessert. You get the net cliff little came the Lord now, Chris, the millions rolling. Worse. Pickup force hammer. Between size way. If you wanna come through weak, and play more than nine days, what you do with that Cobra does more Monica lets you do. Full crews, great was great, crystal great. Great great, great Chris rating. Now, who's from ludicrous Underwood? Luderitz. Chris. Get me that say the remix from the original dude, Chris, that throw was great. Yeah. That food is steak. That's what my Ruth's, Chris remix, and those are the entrance into the Arbel mention one off. All right. We're off to swimming start here. Josh? Yeah. Let's get into our final one Duff entrance. Okay. We're going to hear from today. Bob with two Bs Alex, g a collaboration between DJ Belle Klein and Corey be, yes, the amazing Macey Tyler Jacob Jones. Yes. Adam b Robin from Rochester and last week's winners. Michael and Kimberly. This is all fantastic. Okay. Great. We're doing chronological order, right in chronological order, K all the way back in the edge of extinction. Premier Bob with two Bs one the Wanda off with his song about Joe's no bar moustache. I recall here is a final one-off from Bob with two bays. Was crowned Wednesday. You don't know. That his game. I await it's I guess that he spends twits. Out has. Will be like by. Reverse was whites. Anyone this win? What's space spent always burn. Good. Survivors needed. Sandra. Two shocking events. Still. You know why? Nice. Full bloom. We've got full Bloomberg and full bloom in this episode that ROY is from the group EROs Zeke Smith. Yes. And that was Bob with two Bs, featuring debut of hot yoga wife. All right. Hot yoga wife. Good job. That was great. As really funny. Next up, we have a man who pulled off the impossible much like Chris under. He won three one offs in a row in weeks. Two three and four and that was crazy. His wins included back in week two. Ron Clark likes to dance then in week three had a winning one-off called vegetarian about Wendy, Wendy with the chickens and in week four. He had a parody. Call hotel ream service Baz have back to back. They call it the GP. It's a lot unpack there. But okay, here he is with his final wand off entry. Here's Mr. Alex g something has changed within me. You were stone. No mine may. I'm through with playing by the rules. Young faked. Just in time for second chances three days into fine three, it's time to the extinction. Say goodbye to read. Yeah. I think. Everything because you can't vote me can't time make you understand. He's best friends with all the. Happy accepting titles production. Hands me just one vote. I'm not safe, but thanks to Lauren is now zero two along, I've been thinking up his perfect game in how I'm catching sting rate is the new way to. Look to the final threes. Daily. Oh, me they the every one. By win this whole show viewers will start to scream to my friends on the jury Casta vote out for me. India. Everything both controversial win. And buddy out on the no player that there is or what is gone. Of. That was a classic number from Dina Bennett men's Menzel. And for those of you who are provice a podcast, patrons and get the cloud. There's also an almost six minute version song, submit Alex g I guess that was were winnings, weeks, two three and four going to say it's all the, you know, you gotta, you gotta factor in all the other winds into your into your final run time. So but we're only voting on the two minute and thirty second version that you just heard right? I mean you end up voting based on your criteria right? As as. We saw in survivor at the edge of extinction, Josh in episodes, five and six of the edge of extinction. It was a double episode. And it's only fitting that, that week had a double one off winter with the collaboration of DJ Lebel Klein and Corey. They won for the epic. You've just offended ring. Yep. They're back with a collaboration here in the final, one of, here's DJ, La Belle Klein and Corey. Hey, wait. What's this? You finally found me will Probst, what are you doing in this land, probably hiding idols to piss off super fans. Right. Joe? I'm not Joe. I'm chris. Close enough. But hey, I brought you out of that lamp and I could really do wish. Right. So what's it gonna be? Machu sheen's. I want survivor. Kid, too. Just send Vick Devon's home up an immunity healer, the move, but hold on dude. We can't see the fit. You see this package here. It's. It was for Joe. I got him throw, and I'll be there in the final three. Wow, sounds great. But what's the show can it be about until then don't worry? I've got it covered. You it, it's. Yup. I can't do the jasmine part on this dude. What you just want to sit out the whole middle of our final wand off. Yeah. I mean I mean we can still get in good with the voters. Oh, hey, cherry hill to cut you a Stingray, won't this kind of gets our time. Limit. What are you doing? There's no time. But what about our whole Latin story? The song is evolved to dad just finished a draw game. Gained. Eighteen. You're what? This season. The giant statues. John. Hitter. Everybody. Jailable real name is. The final cut. There was a lot going on there. Young Ladan medley and then also some work there from lady. Gug ghandi. Got you. Taking so long to get to that. There you go. It almost ended in a ING crazy detail. Bella Klein, and Corey be really fun condo. That's great. Next up, we have our youngest entrant ever into the final, one of its the amazing maisy who won for the week of the merge with her. Oh, hell. No, no shampoo. She's here with her final one off all about the finale here is the amazing Macy. People complain about the seas. Too much going on. Been jury thirteen. Eric wait. I make Chris. Before you. View. She gave kids. Another fifteen. Two. The new job. Sure. Has caused the major injury. Five bullets all the other vintage. Controversy. You like TV. Then you will be show. David. Him. This will be like. But we have anew. Hugh was America's. Her name is. Phil show. This is love. It wasn't about new. Two. One second. Christmas? The million. You'll never see that you. That was from Rupert bone ham homes. In sad about about. Everyone should have a chance to get a statue mountain face. All we should all be still in the running neck season. The winner of the final one of. Giant thirty foot three d graphic printed face. No. But I mean obviously we probably do have to create some sort of literal monument to the to the one for next season. We'll have to we'll discuss that the. Can anybody view three printed Wanda head? Lis. Let us know and Casey Kasem. Yeah, that's me gone. Full third. Per- sonica. Appreciate the Ruth's. Chris shout out Ritz. Chris could call me. They haven't yet Josh next up. We have another former winner of the entire wand off. It's Tyler Jacob Jones he won in week eight and week number ten here is a final Llandough off from Tyler Jacob Jones, winner of the ghost island. Final one off. Here's Tyler Jacob just headquarters may twenty eighteen. Season. Thirty eight things going great. So my friends of ten and me. The people on the street Joey's need gonna last eternally just keep on hiding. All my. Wanna know my secret. Instead of. Take the home from the. And taking off. Be this. You'll run. Now, Sean is hosting gig spa. Keep my dignity. I'll this season. John shaw. Eight. Million bucks to. How about a final? Knows she's. Tom. So by the time this season half past guarantee you. The nearly two-thirds female. Every. To make sure. Liane. That was Rehan heap hero. Spicy hashtag disavow disavow. Disavow. I didn't I didn't I didn't say any of that of that reflects my feelings on anything. Only Casey Kasem. Yeah. That's right. Wow. Spicy. Okay. Kellyanne day. I don't know. I don't know we do. I don't know. I don't know what to do with any of it. Next up here comes if you should screen. Another. Back in episode number nine Madame be. Had song all about ream. Here he is in the final one off here is. The entry from. Now. Just chilling catching fish talk. India says it's time to go. Being signed those. Cain. Fleeing. Over. Right. Saw that. Tangle would be rolling. Wow. That was from Demi Lovato. Subtle like like. God, I'm doing great right now. Very. Josh more. A little little shook. Two more final entrance to go first up. We have Robin, from Rochester, right? One in episode number eleven for song about let cheeser. Yes. Here's her entry into the old one. Night we got played by way to apprentice action crazy last night handed us when around a platter. But his arguments really the last night, mad a man from extinct shun, who was voted out, number three. And we. We. Darren criss at all I know. Price is obsessed with him since this. So sure that the whole edit had is winning it off. Why was he so hyped if they wanted us to be on Christmas, and all his bag was such fair way to get past eight thirty five is remember what happens here of its with fear? I wonder has just one little problem was. Petting. You might be a property brother comedy crime. Would we know says he got no time in this? See this. I know realis- fun listen here. Son gavin. Should've won. Semi don. We barely know. The is not a home run. But will here. Here. Was ceautiful number from carry Chris Underwood. You cannot unsee. Chris Underwood as one of the property brothers covered in grime. Yeah, what's that out? It's, it's Jonathan Drouin Chris property. Property, triplets. Graham from the day one the episode number twelve one off. But we did not get a final entry from Graham from the bay, but it's raining, Dilts will live on in history. Yes. Absolutely. It will the final entry into the final one off is from the episode thirteen winner. It's Michael and Kimberly, and this is their final one. This, Chris panic everywhere, mistress price fits, under what's this? I can't believe my eyes. I must be treated. Come on Jefferson fair, Chris. Who's Chris, Chris? There's something very who's Chris not too long with this. I think survivor dabble must be laughing all the casual happy, have I bought on Daffy? What is it? Remember single word. He said, I know you want to one that curel on his head dog. It's the numbers when fire Wester slide, it's more days while while Wanda. What's the voting? This this jury really stinks. Big time there. I think got should be. Chris wait here. What is history? Oh, tear on trying to think and why the men at selling little things balanced letters with the stream. He's aside little one. So perfectly. With every. He's heads. But dude, she is more on our screen. No time to cover Chris Bronco Devon's finding huddled and other things. So tell me are you Santa saying? Seven days, missing can be found winning splits Jeffries, the folks now I may throw a bus weather is excited in the feel of sweaty palms. And I made me on. Don't take this wrong. This last days, you play strong. I've never felt so four. Four in dismay inside of me is filling up. My may have simply enough. I don't want it. I don't want it. This link twist us got to go. I just don't know just don't know what does not go. And there you have it that was from the film the Zane nightmare before Christmas. Wow. Wow. E. You can hope for the final one-off at rob has a website dot com slash vote Wanda. Okay, Kerr Clark, we'll tabulate the results and sometime in a weaker. So Josh and I will get back together with rob to reveal the winner of the season thirty eight final one off. All right. Oh my gosh. For the final time, and season thirty eight that will do it for me. Casey Kasem, be sure to keep your feet on the ground and keep your hands off the table. All right, too soon for me. Yes. To sue sorry about that. Okay. That's all right. Sorry. Casey very insensitive. That's okay. I'm still grieving John wig ler. My smallest by, of course, if people wanna hear the full version of everything that we've listened to today, they could go to rob has a website dot com slash patron for the sound clad playlist. Yeah I'm joined I'm kind of in stunned. Silence. Right now. Yes. Yes that the one the one off artists had a lot to say about these in the winter. I didn't realize everyone thought that Chris. And eric. Yeah. Such a mean. Like I heard that, like, once or twice as a joke. I didn't know that, that had caught on conspiracy. Yeah. Agreed that they would say that in this very funny. All right. Josh wig, ler. All right, if there is more podcasting to come than we should hopefully have more to do here in this survey ever off-season. Yeah. I think so. I think so. I I'm I'm not done talking Jack in your face off my face off. Okay in generally about survivor. Yacking his good. I don't know about that. Okay. All right. Of course you could follow Josh Wigley on Twitter. Everything that he's doing with the TA char. And everything else at round Howard at rob sister. You know, of course, that the great Randy new polls, put these all up on the soundcloud. Playlist. If you're a patron of rob as podcast, one, a keep up with everything we're doing here in the survivor off-season. Rob has a website dot com slash patron for that. You could hear me this weekend. Talking more survivor with Shannon gates and Mike bloom on our survivor, South Africa recap, not too late to jump in. If you miss the first episode, it's only episode number two survivor Africa. That's great. I'm ready. Okay. Very hyped. All right. Josh anything else we wanna mention don't. No, this is a blast of air. Very fun way to close out the season as I said, in our post-season wiggle room. I remain hyped on survivor vary. Very hyped or third. Thirty nine can share. No further details. I know we're very excited about about other things in the future of survivor. So it's not impossible that we're in for a fairly legendary run here in the imminent future. So skip head tie enjoyer summers. Enjoy little survivor, South Africa, if you'd like, and let's get ready to hit the beach running in a in a few months amazing race recap coming up with Mike ingests as well so beyond the lookout for that and much more. Take care of it up. Robin, Akiva name of baby this weekend. I heard that crazy, you're gonna do that. Yeah. I guess so. Wow. What I I I'm sort of, you know, the peop- keep tells me what's going on. But coming up nap thirty six Robin name of aby. Yeah. That's amazing. Happenings too. So going really great actually subscribe to the puck gets robbed his website dot com. I take care of any good one bye.

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Survivor 38 Episode 9 Wiggle Room with Josh Wigler

Rob Has a Podcast

1:15:09 hr | 1 year ago

Survivor 38 Episode 9 Wiggle Room with Josh Wigler

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So Sharon about to be a passenger passenger show everybody who's traveling through Philadelphia for that. Then your what's your what's your flight situation? Going to be like are you are you a Red Eye guy on this one? Are you going to be like really sleep deprived? I read I do like the problem with the Red Eye is that you get into a city too early. And then you can't check into the hotel the hotel check in the afternoon. So then unless you're going to somebody's house or a BNB or the. BNB than you get off the plane at six o'clock in the morning. And then what do you do you drop your luggage off at the hotel? Yeah. And then you go to PAT's king of steaks across the street from gino's, which I believe we'll be right? They. Yeah. You eat like ten cheese steak and what I don't talk about food on the podcasts anymore. Oh, yeah. I'm sorry about that. So then later on in this episode. We have uh some one offs as well that are going to be getting played. This is your new favorite thing. This is my favorite thing. I walk around my house, and I talked like, Rick Deb your dreaming. Do you look at each sound clip that you're about to play and in your mind for you press plays? You say the words I think you're getting play you're getting late. Right. Rick devon's. Oh, man. I my favorite RIC. Devon's of the episode this past week, though, was nothing that he said, and it was just dog at the end of that trial council route turbines producers great. Yeah. The Greek Devon's is becoming like a swear word, I feel like oh, you could use it in so many different contexts. It's really the these pretzels are making me thirsty of survivor Kasowitz. It's just a great exclamation Rick. Devon's. Yeah. It feels it feels like something. I guess no not coincidentally considering. He also is an anchorman just building something Ron burgundy would exclaim in a moment of defeat an agony. Devon's. Yeah. It's a serenity now for our generation. Okay. So Josh a we have not gotten to talk about this wild week of survivor. You have been in a game of thrones purgatory just thinking all things gain, the thrones. As the premier was on Sunday night, t HR keeping you very busy. But I would love to get your thoughts on this wild week on survivor. It was crazy. I mean, this is like I don't I can't say that this was like the red wedding tribal council. It's just Julia all due respect to Julia. You know, it's not like losing Malcolm in that crazy game changers. Tribal council. But Julia has the distinction of getting voted out in the least controlled tribal council situation of all time. This is it was it was the wild west is sanity. And I thoroughly. Entertained by it, and I'm glad that it happened. It is a horrifying precedent for where we could move in the future of survivor, but those are as we say their future problems. The present situation is what it is. And I'm glad that we have this episode pick apart. It was just it was nuts. I trying to think of anything that's even close to to what we saw this past week. I mean the closest cousin to it is that game changers. Tribal council Malcolm goes home because JT kicks off the whispers. The whole standing up and going and talking to people is really born from that. Right. And this is the explosive. Evolution of of that move makes me panic thinking about where it could go, you know, four seasons from now. So I think there is some precedent with these tribal councils where people are getting up and milling about obviously there's been a lot of talk this week about the Malcolm travel council for game changers. But that just ended up being where the other side took advantage of JT's error and got the votes on Malcolm, Malcolm did not necessarily play that tribal council particularly poorly. I also remember during survivor heroes, healers Hustler's. There was trouble council. I believe it was where Lauren got voted out where people were milling about as well. But I think that she was the victim of a Ben bomb on. On that occasion in particular and other than giving Dr Mike half of her immunity idol, it was not that she had played particularly poorly at that tribal council. I'm wondering, maybe if one of the closer cousins of this. Maybe if we go all the way back to survivor heroes vs villains and the tribal council where Russell got Jerry to flip at the tribal council and ensuring yell where really turn the tide of the tribal council where he was very concerned about poverty, and Danielle and then I forget exactly how Danielle misspoke at the tribal council and Russell was ready to pounce and got Jerry to flip her vote at the tribal council. Yeah. It's it's funny. Then that from their chairs, it would have been more fitting than if Lauren had gone home at this tribal council as she seems to be a captain of sports in her own writing. That's a good. That's a good comparison. I it was not as it was nowhere near as insane. Just like unruly as what we got here. So I think it's like a merging of those two. It's the it's the meltdown of the personal collapse. At tribal council of one player who probably isn't going home until they start really losing it meets the recklessness. The just sort of like the loosey goosey nature of the modern tribal council as put forth by game changers. I think I think it's kind of the lovechild of those two things. It's interesting just the evolution of the live tribal council as well. Which was the term that David Wright used back in millennials versus gen X. I believe correct me if I'm wrong that was said in the tribal council where David played his idol that I was getting played on. One of the tea party. Already. So that that he played that idol on Jessica Lewis. And so I think that we've seen more often than not the live tribal council having to do with people whether or not they should play an idol as opposed to the actual votes shifting at the Trump council. It was pretty wild in. What was crazy about it too? Was it wasn't to me entirely clear. What was going to happen that night if not for this full on train wreck? It felt like was when worth gonna go is that what was going to happen was went to get her way. And David was going to go the entire episode became so chaotic that it became really hard to track the action to and I think that that has been sort of one of the things that's been challenging about processing everything that happened in this past week of survivor was it was such a mess, and the fact that you know, you. Get to tribal council and from from a viewer perspective from a storytelling perspective you as the person who is engaging. The story that's being told to you. We're no we no longer have the assist of confessionals to help narrate us through the action. We're now only getting guided by the voices of the people in the moment who could be lying to us because they're trying to preserve their cover in front of all these other players. So you really don't have a reliable narrator as if you ever really do on survivor in a moment like this. So it was just it was pandemonium which which led to some really wild social media reactions for one lead to a really wild viewing experience. But not something that it'd be wild about happening. Too often, I'm happy with this as kind of this insane quasi isolated incident, as you know, doesn't have to be like a unicorn in the sense that there's never anything like it again. I would like it though. Oh to be more like part of a family if unicorns you know, like the the last unicorns left. I think that the family could stand to have six members. Yeah. And we've seen players get up out of their chairs and try to walk about the tribal council with also not having the success that was had in this tribal council. When people started getting up out of their seats. Certainly Stephanie Gonzalez comes to mind from the ghost island premier. I believe also Elizabeth Olsen last season. She was also I'm not sure if she herself was getting up or other people were walking around and tribal council where she's eating happening. This is real it's real it's happening and people are tribal council is alive in the sense that it's got like flailing limbs. Now, you know, people are are getting out of their designated seats assigned seating charts are getting ripped up and thrown out the window. This was new Jew. Truly literally like set, and somebody's lapping stayed there for a little while like the seating chart got rearranged by the this tribal in motion is this feels like a new developing phenomenon from the past few years, and this was a real powderkeg moment. But it makes you wonder like is this also still tip of the iceberg territory. Yeah. We'll see. We'll see you look, I don't know if tribal council was so perfect in that it can't be tinkered with because I think in talking through I think that the history of survivor is people are going to tribal council, and they sort of know who they're voting for and Jeff is trying to get something out of anybody. So if we end up having crazier tribal councils, I think everybody should be okay with that. Yes. I think so as our as it remains. I think so as in so far as it doesn't damage the viewing experience too much. And by that I mean like sort of like the ledge ability of it. You know, you want it to be something that you can still read he wanted to be something that does not completely fry your brain you want it to be something that shocks you an odds you, but you wanna be able to track and find the story, and I felt like the skirts the line. This was highly entertaining, you know, I don't want. I don't want to. I don't want to nitpick it too hard because these past two episodes have for somebody who's been pretty low on the season. We're in turnaround territory for me like we're starting to really really trend upward right now and get this season into a place that I'm pretty compelling for takeoff. You know, exactly I could say like a long time on the tarmac and now we're about to fly and I'm excited to see her the or the flight is about to go because I think we're we're in a really fun spot with the season. I just think that if this is if this continues to be sort of like. The growing pace and momentum of tribal councils in the modern era of survivor. I wouldn't be mad at some attempts to rein it in. You'll have to forgive me. My brain really is scrambled eggs. Don't tell my wife because I am so steeped in game of thrones territory that I've had like half an ear on the podcast, and I've been listening to as much as I can has somebody come on here and recommended like a shot clock. Is that something that happened to this past week shot clock for what at like tribal council? Can there be a certain moment because what Probst will often say I can't tell this is an original thought, or if this is ripping on something that's already been suggested somewhere in the survivor space. So please forgive me. But at tribal council, you appropes will tell the players doesn't always make it onto the show. I don't know if it usually does make it onto the show, but it's the it's the field that he gives them that. We don't vote until you guys say it's time to vote. This is your tribal council as long as you want it to be your tribal council. Is there a certain point where tribal could get so chaotic that similar to the way that they tried to kind of. Mess with like the tiebreaker a little bit, and how there was no longer like that that deliberation period where there was no longer the re-vote, and you would go straight into the deliberation. And neither you come up with consensus or you go to rocks. Is there something akin to that where like at a certain point flips in our glass, and it's like, all right? You have until this hourglass runs out. And if it runs out, and you still haven't figured out what you're all doing your voting. Anyway, voting just begins. Is there something like that? That can be introduced that. Maybe manages the chaos a little bit more. Or does that just only make more care think it makes it more complicated? I think that when Jeff wants them to vote they will vote no matter what he may say. And when it's time to wrap things up things or no longer interesting. I think the Jeff will force the issue a little bit just to go back to what you were saying about whether or not the legibility is there. I certainly did. Feel that there was a story around this fracas which ended up breaking out where that you had this comma group talking through things and Julie being uncertain and then Julia trying to cover what was going on. And then had a lot of fake stories that were out there, which then ultimately made this thing unravel. So I feel like that for this instance, this was really good. This was compelling if we have a point in a future season where ten people show up to a tribal council shouting match starts, and then somebody gets voted out who isn't even really on our radar and we're left with the question. Wait what happened? Why did they pick that person? I think that that's where we're going to have an issue. Yeah. Yeah. No. I think so like this made sense narrative Lii in terms of not that Giulio was a presence in the show, but in terms of that tribal council there was a lot of back and forth between telling Rick Devon's you're such a passenger Rick. It was so amazing. I do wish I do wish. I know that Julia had been very vocal in the early episodes about not being represented on screen as much as she felt that she should have been a feeling that she had more of a pilot role in the story, and the story was leading us to believe, and it ends up being what it ends up being here. She's she's voted out fairly early into the merge, but she's boated out in this insane tribal council, and I think I would have enjoyed it more. If I had been eight that character had been built up a little bit more. Julia really popped over the last few weeks with the turn of the tide against comma. There was a little bit of the story line that was being planted with Joe trying to tell her you're such a threat, and she chews on that a little bit for us as the viewer getting to hear her meditate on that. But it just didn't feel like we had nearly enough of her story and nearly enough of a sense of her as a character. It's a really. The excited about the meltdown. I just I would've loved a little bit more meat to chew on with with regards to all of that. I guess now. Josh let me ask you one question to combine your worlds together when Dinares rides a dragon is she the pilot or the passenger, it's hard to know. I think it's like she and the dragon or co-piloting together like he wants to take a nap or she needs to take a break drogue on congest takeover. But if drogue on just kind of needs to be directed to where deniro's needs to go to narrow says will is driver. So I feel like it's fairly even power dynamic, of course, without drogue on. There is no flight at all. So you know, who the captain of the ship? Yes. No. Josh. We had this crazy episode this week. Do you expect this to be the beginning of insanity? The rest of the way, or do you think that now we have things starting to calm down here? A little calm of live. Calm. I think that we could be in for just like full-blown comic collapse at this point. Which is amazing and would help to kind of clarify some of the ark of the season where there has been. So much focus on the original monitor the less crew that they have been the most pronounced characters of the season outside of some of the people that we have come to know that are being shipped off to extinction. But it's really only now that we are starting to get a sense of who some of the individual commas X commas are, and maybe that makes some sense if they are all just sort of collateral damage having kind of imploded here at the merge where we lost Joe. And we lost Eric now we've lost. Julia. And I know we're going into a double booth this this week. I would not be surprised at all. If it's just a very, easy, comma, comma tap coming up where it's like Aurora who seems to be completely out of it and one other person from the original comment squad. Randy Bailey said he wanted to pa- gummy. And it's just surprising that this. These are the people who are were getting pa- gunned. And yeah, I don't know. I mean, I think. Having said that that probably means that we're in for complete opposite version of that. Right. Where we're probably in for some craziness, and it's going to be like an old monitor who's going to go home next. So who the hell knows? I mean, we we have some ingredients in place that are still fascinating. And we're on the edge of our seats. Waiting to see how this is going to play out with like Wentworth passer idol, Lauren has her idol if comma can rally together, and they're trying to come after one of those two or they're trying to come up come after one of the less, and if there is some sort of in alliance by necessity situation that's going on like could we see something insane. Where after the slight reparation of the relationship between when worth in dated, for instance, this week where they were able to forge something of a working relationship. This time around could we see something as crazy as everybody knows the vote is going towards David, for example, and Wentworth place in idol on him. Yeah. Knock somebody out that would be abuse. I I'm already bummed that. I'm missing out on the Philly KIA, but I would love to be in the house for something like that. So I do think that often the survivor God's tend to smile upon us as as fans of this show, and the very fact that you are going to be hosting alive. No at all with hundreds of survivor fans. Watching a double boot episode leads me to believe that it won't be a straightforward owning up. So I think you're going to have a lot to talk about be my hope, we can hope we can hope so the less suit tribe. Josh really, I think that we have to talk about in a historical context because they they're dysfunction was described and debated at that tribal council. But really is amazing. We have seen dysfunctional tribes in the history of survivor. But it's just so interesting that this dysfunctional fractured tribe. We have to talk about them as one. One of the more dysfunctional functional tribes in survivor history. And I think we have to go back to a Kasai tribe aback in a survivor, exile island. But it really is amazing that if they are able to run the table and wipeout, comma, what they could potentially be able to accomplish it would be crazy. It would be it would be madness if less who is able to run the table here if they're able to come back from this and knock out say Ron and Gavin this week or something like, I think Ron is good. I think that my my question is does a less superb. Go home before Ron or Julie. I think that Ron Julie somehow they Eric up line sided they were on the bottom and that they somehow they jumped ship away from comma. And now the people that voted out Eric are the people that are at the bottom. Yeah. Such a good moment when Ron's like, well, would you like to vote out Victoria, right in front of Victorio is one of my favorite moments of the season pretty easily? Yeah. It's just it's it's it could be a full on collapsed. It'd be who who would you would you give credit to to less who for victory in a situation like this or do you do you take points away from comma for blowing it like what's the balance on something like that just like in the whole narrative to this point or moving forward if that ends up being, oh, we are like if comma full on collapses except for Ron and Julie who I stay on. And that's the crew moving forward. And then like less starts turning inward. So is that is that props to less sue or is located it's complicated. And I think it's it's gone back and forth where the win comma voted out. Joe I give no credit to less sue they got played all were doing their own thing. They were the circular firing squad. Then the following week. We saw were David Reich up back on board. And then war dog is the one talking with. Julia and Gavin. Putting the poison in their ears, and then they vote on Eric. So I have to give the credit to less sue for making that move. And then my missing missing vote also. Yeah. Then this week. It was you know, kudos to comma for coming back together less sue again with getting played. But then comma screwed up unless you takes advantage there. So let's who keeps trying to vote each other out. They want to each other out of. But comma keeps getting in the way it's so funny. It really is. I mean, it's kind of a comedy of errors. Yeah. Like in a standoff and come keeps like running in the middle of the shootout. Yeah. I mean this post merge has really been very hard to predict which is fun. It's exciting. I think we got to the to the merge in. I think I I was certainly afraid that it was going to go Randy's way. And I thought that it was just going to be like a really kind of boring spray spree of episodes. And it's been you have no idea what's happening week to week this season. So that's good. That's a good thing. I think I'm happy that it's been unpredictable as it's been. I just I it does. I don't know what the balance is on is this like tip of the hat to great gameplay. Or is this like, ooh. Thanks for thanks for for messing it up guys. Because it's highly entertaining. But is it more like credit to the train wreck Agnes? If it I still don't really know. I do think you have to you have to be really impressed, by the way that Devon's was able to kind of expose a clear crack in the moment. And to really widen this rift that was playing out in front of him. I think also Juliette and Aurora do themselves no favors there. But just kind of talking themselves in circles, and again, you really have to I think Wardag needs to start gaining some appreciation around these parts because he's a connector in this moment. He you know, he's the flight attendant. You really is. He's the one who's who's coming to a lot of these people in saying he goes Julia like whoever you want. We'll do it. We'll make it happen. And so I think that there's been strong play on certain sides of the aisle. And then just like absolute disaster on on the other side. Just like kind of like a. A little bit. It was a little bit outmatched this week, but with really fun results. Okay. Josh anything else about this week's episode where we stand in survivor edge of extinction that you want to get off your chest. I can't tell if the Eric seen means he's the winner or if he's going to quit, and I feel like to quote, sir. See Lancaster, I don't know how much middle ground. There is you know, I feel like either he wins or he died. I think you're off base on this. I think that they need stuff to show on the edge of extinction. There cannot be any happy story on the edge of extinction that they're never gonna show you a moment. Whereas like today was a good day. It's always got to be like, I'm at my lowest low, and whoever is is having that moment this week, preferably the person who just got voted off. That's what you're going to see on the edge of extinction. And then and then it ends up turning around where we saw Keith in Reema earlier this season, we're we're having that. And then Chris came back with a big state with big fish. Then this time Eric's having a low moment Chris comes back with a big Stingray. I mean, I think that that is sort of like the beginning middle and end of these edge of extinction stores. So I wouldn't read too much into Eric. I would love to see a scene at edge of extinction in coming up. That's just like straight up beach party. Yeah. Let's just say today was a great day. So much fun. We don't want this to and nobody was even went near that mass today. So there had to be one right there had to be a day. That was pretty good. We were like, wow, this is so much fun working on. Edge of extinction cornhole like, I don't know all sorts of beach games. What what's the Boston? Rob king for a day played Kingsford day. And it's awesome. It was not lame everything sucks on on the edge of extinction. So you're you're gonna hear who. Julia is gonna tell us this week. Like, wow, I didn't know it was going to suck this much. And that's that's what we get. I wouldn't read anything into it. I was happy that I felt the balanced shifting this week of this is one of the first times that I felt like the edge of extinction. Storyline was less compelling than main islands because nobody's fighting there. Now once all the calm of people are going to start the flood the edge of extinction. Now when Julia gets there, and Eric is like you blew it. Why didn't you why did you vote me off? Like, he's such a passenger, Eric. I think we need to get the fight. It was a lot of fighting when we had like a lot of people from the original monitor there. Now, we're going to start getting people from comma there to fight. So they're going to bring comma is going to bring the drama. Yeah. I think there's also going to be like so many people there too though that wake naturally people on. On the edge of extinction, especially as people who are now starting to come in have never interacted with Reema, Chris or those people before like people were just go like naturally pair off and find their friends, and I feel like we may like lose a little bit of drama on edge of extinction. Honestly, like, I feel like some of that stuff might just be too boring to show to us. So I think I ultimately dig that's a very good thing. I've been intrigued by by the edge stuff for for much of the season. And I think that those characters have been some of the most pronounced characters of the season. But I'm dying for that to shift. So I hope that this this episode was Representative of sort of the direction that will go in for the rest of the season. Yeah. It seems like that. It was Chris and Keith that would fight and then ream would be very defensive about Keith. So we need somebody to be new foil there either for ream or to then get into it with Chris because I think that that is going to be what sets the edge of extinction. When it was the most fun. Yeah. All right. That's all I got. I think okay. All right. We're gonna get into this week's wand off. But first, let me thank our sponsor for this episode of the podcast, and those are friends who make the hunter killer subscription box game. You can go ahead and get twenty percent off the first box that hunter killer dot com slash rob. Josh this is a game and believing this game is getting played by a lot of people who love escape rooms and murder mysteries. And you are dreaming. If you think that it's not going to be fun for either by your lonesome on a date night with Emilie or with a group of friends. I have been playing a lot of board games recently with groups of friends and we've been playing pandemic legacy recently. And let me tell you. It's going Orly. 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For twenty percent off your first box at hunter, killer dot com slash rob. See if you have what it takes to get into the mind of a serial killer and solve the mystery. That would be a great game just to dump off on extinction island the edge of extinction. Yeah. I'd be very scared about them playing a game called hunter killer like the the rudimentary rock weapons. They would create. Killing anybody. You're looking for the killer. Yeah. But you've created a Lord of the flies type of situation out. Shame. We know how quickly that escalated. Yup. You think that really gonna kill somebody out here? I don't know. I think it's entire. Entire. Good. Josh. I thought you were cool. You are. You are lame, bro. Reema killer. Just as men. And you need to you can leave your lipid, Nikki happy restaurant. The rest of the circle. Then just eight you're. You could. Happy. Danger. Here. One baby episode number nine at the edge of extinction. We're going to get ready to wand off. And here we go Josh pumped up. I am. I miss Bryce that was a lot of fun last week where the purple pants bed. Ask Bryce Isaiah joined us for the wand off last week of various special guest. Visit we've ever had a guests come in just for the wand off. No when we introduced the one thirty five we had we had a couple of people who sat through the wand off with us. But they also had sat through the dire. It's been a long time. And we've had people along we've had Nick my Raanan involved. And my good, buddy. Kevin my day. Oh has been on on one of them. I think he was getting bored, though, definitely. He was absolutely. I was there, and I can promise that was what was happening. I it had been. In so long that I've gotten so used to our to our rhythm that I loved having Bryce here. But I felt like I was caught like playing with my action figures as as a fifteen year old who shouldn't be playing elaborate roleplaying games with my GI Joes anymore. And that's that's what it felt like where I definitely felt like a little bit of shame. But I think that the podcast result was was alternately worth it. Right. Also, we got a lot of feedback last week where Casey Kasem who the very beleaguered host of the wand off screwed up again on last week's one off where Casey Kasem them did not know that the original artist of a one of the one-off was actually the cardigan, Casey Kasem. And I never want to hear about that ever again. It wasn't enough that I knew from Romeo and Juliet I'm sorry. A lot's going Casey Kasem them. That he has made several mistakes. So far this season included several inappropriate of one offs when we have young listeners of this podcast. And I think that this might be Casey's last season hosting the wand off. No, stop that. Absolutely. Not if ks. So hard on this podcast. And then I'm working hard and getting everything right? All week long. Casey Kasem didn't here for twenty minutes and everything's going to hell a Handbasket, dude. You're going to have a serious problem. If Casey walks away from the wand off because I'm out of the network at that point, you'll you'll lose your out. It's you and Hyun case finally to rider die. Yeah. Yeah. I I'm not I'm not saying Casey's gone. So whatever you gotta do to work things out with him, you better work it out. All right. Well, we will you're jumping ship. Yeah. I really do have to say that nothing is worse than when we get a song wrong because and we do just get like a hundred tweets about it. Like, I honestly probably like without exaggeration got twenty different cardigan tweets in a single day. And it was atrocious awful. And it's one of my least favorite things on the planet. So we can never get anything wrong ever again. All of our takes must be completely, correct. Or we just have to figure out a way to shut down Twitter the way that Facebook and Instagram were shutdown fairly recently. Okay. All right. So let's talk about last week on the wand off we talked about Casey Kasem mistakes. But let's talk about the winners from last week in the wand off, and this one was a not as close as some of the recent wand off raises in third place. It was a Curie and Alex with twelve point eight seven percent of the vote for eighty six Devon's. Okay. Okay. This is something that this person may be unfamiliar with a second place finish for Mr. Alex g Lauren's down for real with twenty eight point nine percent of the vote. Got three hats, Alex, g nothing to hang your head about get greedy. Don't agree. I don't get greedy. All right. And the winner of this past week's one-off with forty one point fourteen percent of the vote. He is a former wand off champion, and he is back in the winter circle. It is Tyler Jacob Jones with his song cheering on Aurora. Million. Cheers victorian. I'm crying tears because on this. And. On the show. What rhoda? Yeah. Okay. So congratulations to Mr. Tyler Jacob Jones for that one. Yeah. He's he's he's angling for that coat. He wants the jacket MSA Jackie's back in the hunt. All right. So without further ado, let's bring in the host of the one of the late great, Casey Kasem, rob, it's a pleasure. Jimmy back here hosting the wand off once again, and I'm back where I belong behind the microphone with you. As the passenger and me as the pilot as it should be. You know, I did just sing your praises, Casey. But I am afraid of you flying plane considering you do not have a physical body with which to maneuver. A wheel buttons some sure gears to a plane or know how plane works you fly. Josh can you fly it? Bulls up and put your seat into the upright position. This is about to be a bumpy ride. Okay. I'm in strategists get into this week's Arbel mentions and first up is a man who's no stranger to escape rooms. It's will from America evidently thought it was going to be Kirk Clark absolutely going to be Twiss Twiss alumnis, not the tabulated. Mark who puts together where you can vote every single week on the top five wombat songs in the country at rob is a website dot com slash VO Wanda. Here's will from America. Talking about a little known fact that the survivor castaways love to remind people about on social media. There's only forty two. Just show us everything that and then the game. Before you decide to go through. It might be few could show some restraint these players on twin freaking press con for you know, there are postgame interviews so before you stretch your fame firm on fifteen minutes. Here's so this question while Eunson look inside hating. Digging. Nobody. Beautiful job there from will from America. Josh, did you know that a survivor episode is only forty two minutes long. But there's actually a lot more footage that they shoot for every single episode. Even if it's only one day on the island like this past week is that true, they actually shoot oh out of footage and a lot of it never makes it to. I know that they just like stopped and started recording had like a really good gauge for what was interesting, and it was all like continuous sometimes they shoot for hours and hours, and you don't see a second of that footage. Wow. Cowards release the tapes. After that wild drbble council are young eleven year old resident one offer. The amazing maisy was inspired to talk about what she just saw. That child. It was worth the wait. Neil sharks and minnows even David to tying. Julius laughing noticed. Present their hair. Good starts. She goes on, and blah, blah, blah. Loosen up blindside when you get to get together and the minute new play. Don't call them. You you just be. You can't emend. Eating the old. Julia. Too much. You too. That was from the artist who's just a friend of Stephen fish BAC. Liz marquis. I'm sure that would work worked good. That's really funny. Unexpected nice to light surprise rhymes. Well, ticks all the boxes. That's good. Good stuff. Probably people who don't understand why. That is funny as it is. But to me it was perfect. That's all that matters up. You're the best to let rob oh, you you're doing the Lord's work. Next up. We've got Audrey s from Dallas. And she's back to talk about Julie at tribal. Road side of the site. Last tribal is. Not a good feeling. So I felt like my whole game got down because I don't trust anyone in this. So Julie broke out of control. She was out of last come flit. Eric's throw Julie broke jumped ship. I'm ready to shit when you her to flip, but you'll still to with less. We're getting missing motion. That was from my EP. Good. Josh now, even though rob told me on a short leash that there's a section of honorable mentions that I'd have to call this honor roll bench. No. And they have to all do with one specific subject brought up at tribal council by David Wright. And by Rick Devon's I wonder so if this is something that you or anyone in earshot might not be interested in hearing about then this is your opportunity to skip ahead for these next couple of honorable mentions. Okay. Sounds like we're getting into a sticky situation. And with that, I say take it away shut up, Tim. No. No, no, no. No. Poop poop poop. Poop poop. Papu david. In the. Papu awkward. I quit. Poop poop poop poop. Poop. Poop poop. Picks up. That was sung that's an air who were from your worm dead top-five baby shark. Well, how have we not gotten lawn shirk churches? You're gotta happen still. That's my ringtone. Next up. Here is one from Karen from Canada. Having. That was the family friendly part of that song. Oh, gosh. Where did he over there on this? From the artist wiz Khalifa Keefer. That's good. Now, let's bring in some more of our international wand off contestants. Here comes Sarah and Lindell from Australia. David. How from Abba, Maria supercharge. Oh, man. I know Abby is fund of the number four. I wonder how she feels about the number two now that was Sarah and Lindell from Australia. But Josh, would you believe that we also have one from Lando from Tasmania? I would believe it. Yes. And I do believe it. Here's Lindo from Tasmania, not the same person as Lindo from Australia, but they have a similar sensibility. Okay. Ring. This JP. Julia good. Now, we both. There's no. On me. That was such beautiful number from not the Boston Red Sox though, Whitney Houston Astros, baby. Now, we have who singing to us the food has been present. If I'd in the form of Whitney Houston, are we sure that it might not actually just be Rick Devon's, I might be the pope. You might be. Josh it's time to count down the top five songs. Eight all of wombats nation. Of course, you could hear all thirty nine tracks available. Not our soundcloud playlist compile by that great ready new poll, the greatest Randy NewCo that is of course, if you're a patron of rob as a podcast, and if you're not you can go to rob is a website dot com slash patron to find out more information about what my boss is doing. Okay. I up here we have one from Irene. And Irene is now going by big Irene. Right. I'm into it and big I reign. Who sent in that song that I now know was from the card against now. This is another car too. Is in the top five and she's ready to talk about this week's tribal council. I don't think the plan I've been told. Passenger on their plan. I might be the. Go tax scheme. Biggest. One ask a question. When we're asking if we're still good. Because there's seven of us were here. He's. Kelly said. What was the plan tonight? It's time to. Shut up. Shut up. There was a dance number by the great artists. Diana Dalton Ross. Disco king. That's right. He is that you know. I. Running onto David slap soak. Okay. I mean, really were somebody micro-moments gold whole. Hi, remember me? So great. Next up. We've got the number two song eight all of one that's nation. Once again in the top five in a quest for the allusive wombats hat. Here comes Becky and Taylor about Rick Devon's. You are a bit upset. Because let's sue. Without you. Those idle pieces. Has. Who gets custody of our kids? Times with David rekindle, the manse you would pull the kid because the common thread. Debut. And now this. Travels. Gene. Shut up. And he. Buddy. David. We are. We are that was. Classic. Hey from EDNA Madonna. Donna next up. Trio of Nick Fishman and Aaron Robertson goodbye, grandma. And here is Taylor again. About this tribal council from this week. Wow. Double shot. Not to shut down. Again. Over. Now. No one in this. Less. Check, Laura just what is up with that thing. But she is crazy. She's just the free agent. Just like. With. Stay down. Played with these wasn't the tree. Yup. Two. Neidl jury shot. You see Julie Dow games about this. The most my tribal ever had ever been poop never. At me. That was from the nineties band, Christina Chambal. Yeah. This really wonder where you're gonna go at it. That's a hard one to do how much time. Did you spend on that one? Casey, not that much. Oh came. I don't know if you should be proud of it. But second place was jumble. One balut. Tough one. It's no pretty spheres. But next up our number four song in all of combat nation and real quick. I highly encourage anybody who's checking out the sound cloud playlist to check out Aaron Robertson's original song for this week. Both were probably worthy of being in consideration for the top five. How many songs that Aaron this week? I have to in my excel she put together by Randy new poll threes in -able. The barely that. It's reasonable. Next up. We've got Adam be returning to the Wanda off. He's in the top five, and he's got a song about the mayor of extinction island. Streams into the. Because we don't want you at the end. But I'm like, dude, you know, what? Okay with this is from stone. But didn't get the best of me. The and they will see that. I am. Did your Kim next to me three look? This is real. Yes. Why? Marine. Play that over her eventual winner montage and will be satisfied survivor fan. That was what them from the greatest show men new. Not less SU. Well, I by sung by Hugh Jackman knew. Sure. All right. I don't I don't know gray showman. I know isn't it? I heard Chris has a huge Akman. Come on. Knock it off. Next up is the number five song and all of wombats nation, and it comes to us from a collaboration between two of the wand off greats. Here's Karen from Canada with Corey be talking about how stuff. Strategy. The the shark that are. Back. It's kind of. Thinking. But. I might be the poop. I cannot wait. What comes? Aches. That was from the team sensation, Katie Hanson. That's right. I'd hate for Katie Hanson to lose the wand off. Kind of represent Alibaba. Great. If Kelly ball could. It's so bad. That was real. A friend who's very like loosely starting to get into survivor, but as a big Mets fan that Jeff Kent was on survivor lost his much if can't wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire. Josh. That I have the survivor read it open right now on the sidebar is Jonathan Penner, and Jeff Kent, and I'll screen shot this standard can't if you ask me screen shot and send it to you. Rob said that you know that I'm not Pedder. Petr? We we have a wand off we need to finish. Sorry. Sorry, guys. All right. Josh wigley. We actually have a top six saw in wombat nation this week you have a plane to catch we do. But sometimes you gotta. Get the best stuff in there. Yeah. We could not sacrifice. Okay. Because this week's reigning champ is back to talk to us about Victoria. Here is Tyler Jacob Jones, your number six sewn in combat's nation. Go in. What is the plan? I'm standing up to Strath. I'm David math brains, but really should use. Sometimes. Two. I heard that. Oh. No. It's not that hard to keep you to Spain. But some times. I've never seen anything like it. Stand on. Give back. And that was sandy Bergen show. Not piss no absolutely not the opposite food. And there you have it. Josh Wigley the top six here in one bats nation, though. One of artists really bringing it after that crazy tribal council. Wow. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. Of course, you could listen to all thirty nine trucks. Rob as a podcast patron? Soundcloud available at rob has a website dot com slash patron DeShaun. Thanks again to Randy new pool behind the scenes putting everything up to the cloud and Jason Curtis rather era for making all of the videos for the wand off top five or six sometimes or sometimes even seven but not today. Joshua. No, no man squad in the business, though. Josh if you have a minute, can I ask you all of my questions about game of thrones? Of course, absolutely do. Face it. We are on a time crunch today. All right. All right. Don't wanna make the boss mad again. You know, we don't we don't see ghost on the show, and we can't even talk to ago about game of thrones. Now. Unbelievable. I guess not all right on till next time. Josh keep your feet on the ground and keep your hands off the table. All right. Thank you. Casey. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Casey. Thank you. Okay. All right. Josh what a wand off this week helluva job by wombat nation. Really really fun stuff to listen to the vocal talent in the wand off. Incredible. It's remarkable. And it's just insane. All right before remarkable humanize hope people don't have a baby shark stuck too much in their head either. It does make more sense. Now, why you were humming. Baby shark before we got on the podcast together, which is reeling that absolutely happy where we started real real worm bed that gets stuck in your. Head are in bed. All right. It's crazy that that exists. I had night. I'll see the video. All right. I don't wanna see. All right. Josh wig ler. You can hear him with me and just a little bit on post show. Recaps when we games runs feedback show coming up in just a little bit later on tonight. So that should be up in your podcast feeds sometime on Tuesday have been look at that. But in the meantime, checkout everything that Josh Wigley is doing over at T H R four the game of thrones T, HR dot com slash game of thrones is the hub for all of the game of thrones things that I am writing recording. Otherwise, creating a lot of content. If you're a game of thrones fan, I would love to check that stuff out. And if you are not a game of thrones fan, you don't have to. Okay. All right. So I am now going to be on my way to Philadelphia. For the live and know it alls they're on a Wednesday night. It is my goal to be able to stream that live. But in the chance that we are not technically able to that. We will certainly have a recording of both the audio and the video, and we will bring that to you shortly thereafter, so apologies if we're not able to get the video stream going or if it's choppy, sometimes it could be chick could be my be my Bill a little choppy. Okay to don't do too much of like the pre apology until you have something to really apologize. I know it's a little bit of a, you know, I haven't been there. It's a little hard to you know, work out the logistics of these things from across the country. So. No, you don't know until you get there. It's really not worth even feeling bad about something that you might not ever have to feel bad about. Don't don't don't hurt. Your Twitter mentioned. Josh Joni seven is our technical correspondent for all things. Tech related Robbins podcast. All right. Josh wig ler. So that's going to do it for us here today, and it's gonna be a fun week survivor. Double episode to come anything else. Anything else, theoretically allegedly? I'm supposed to have. I'm may have a little survivor something in the next the next twenty four hours or so if I don't have it in the next twenty four hours, and it's just not gonna happen there may or may not be thing at T H R dot com slash survive in the next twenty four hours all at round Howard to make sure thing or not. And I'm sorry, whatever Josh tweets just feel like is is this the thing. Oh, hey, what about that? Hasn't it for timing? There will be a thing thing thing will exist. The thing will exist. The thing will be up on HR dot com. Com slash survivor. I would say very likely by the time you're listening to this unless you're one of the wiggle room. Listeners who listens to it as soon as it drops. That's like it's like a late night Monday, sometimes situation ad say, you're comfortable comfortably reading this arriver thing at around Tuesday at wealthy m eastern ish. I would say is a good bit. Okay. For the thing. All right. So good stuff as usual, Josh Wigley. Thanks, everybody. For listening hope to see a bunch of you out in Philadelphia. Take care. Good one. Why? Kevin million. Cheers, Victoria glow. I'm crying to million tears because I'm missing Joe. Oh and by saying. This saying, no. On the show of Rhoda falen sweaty. And I'm gasping foot Tom to make a deal, wait Lawrence. What I don't know. Bobby saying go roller this saying? Promo 'cause Lauren's on the Laura. Stepped. Makeup on. Of. Oh, hey. The Joe I want so say step down then. Could turn to. Sees. Janson debt? Beasely and give this chick. Two. Cling. Time.

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Survivor 38 Episode 3 Wiggle Room with Josh Wigler

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Survivor 38 Episode 3 Wiggle Room with Josh Wigler

"Josh. Learn. Learn. Lor-? Learn. Yes. Josh wiggle or how are you? Happy birthday to you, not not to me. Oh. Johny fair play. He has the same birthday as you. That's right. Yeah. How about that? For some survive. What a week for Jonny fairplay clearing on his podcast turning the big five zero this week. Congratulations. Happy birthday to Jonny fairplay and fifty five. No, I think you're jumping the gun a little bit there. And of course, do you know what else today is what's today today is that the very special day when we commemorate how four years ago today, Nina Porsche was voted out of survivor apart? Own live know it alls at Gotham comedy club four years ago today, March eleventh of twenty fifteen. Yeah. And don't forget the very historic March eleventh of nineteen ninety five. Yes. Subject of a recent episode of Robin. Akiva. So many amazing things happen. And so many amazing things happened on this very day, oddly. I can't recall what I was doing on March eleventh nineteen ninety five which is a shame. And of course, of course, the top story at this hour. It is the birthday of my great friend. Josh wig ler. Josh happy damn birthday, bro. Thanks, dude. No dishes for me today. Which is which is a great thing. Plenty of pizza in the future. Thanks for those who have checked in to make sure that that would be the case it is indeed going to be the case and on top of all of that. I'm so lucky that my birthday falls on a Monday this year 'cause I get to listen to participate in the wand off on my birthday, it's spectacular. This is truly going to be the greatest day of my entire life. And I just want to hope that it will be very. Happy birthday party. We bonded so well together, and I feel like it's birthday party that your mom kinda makes your go-to. Right. And you don't like the kid whose birthday party. It is. Yeah. Oh god. I hope that no one's like feeling like they're forced to celebrate my birthday today. The happy birthday party. I don't wanna put that on anybody. Let's talk survivor and said, so we can get out feeling very self conscious. So here we are into the third week here of survivor edge of extinction. And I thought this was the best episode of the season. Josh bast episode of the season. Why? Now, I mean, it's only three episodes one of the three best episode of the season. I mean a lot happened. It was it was a very of vengeful episode where you're starting off on the edge of extinction. We now have two people out there on edge of extinction. I guess by the end of it. We now have three people on the edge of extinction. But we're getting to see ream interacting with somebody else in this episode. There's two challenges. There's a lot of action on both each's lots of action happening still with this rising tide against the returning players. One plan is botched. Another of the returning players is able to find some protection in the form of a historic first immunity idol for Aubrey Bronco many seasons in the making, and then it ends with an actual real genuine blindside Chris getting voted out. So, you know, I think the actual I blind side of the season occurred. This week best episode of the season. I think I liked the second one. Tiny bit more hangar. Yeah. But that being said, I mean did just kind of just like a plated balloon pretty quickly. And I didn't love that. There's nothing from Keith in this episode being like man that was a hard choice. I was thinking about so many different things. I don't know if I even wanted to come out here. So does make me wonder if the whole deliberation that was happening that we saw at the end of episode two was that just like ten seconds. And then he just went it. It wasn't really that big of choice for him. So good is a little bit of LeicesteR in retrospect for me, though, I still enjoy survivor taking some swings in terms of the format of an episode, but I still like up just a smidge better. But I think that this was a good episode as well, let's talk a little bit about the player. We saw voted out of the game. I feel that he's been lost in the shuffle. A little bit this week with everything going on. With Wendy chickens where Chris ends up being the target of. This blindside. Josh, I know the story in the book are not closed on Chris. He will go to extinction island. But this was a little bit of an unceremonious departure for Chris from the game. Yeah. So survivor Twitter exploded when when Wendy's talking about wanting to free the chickens, and everyone has the same take the money. It's the money play. And for whatever reason that never. Survivor twitter. Yeah. It just it. Didn't it didn't hit me. But of course, like, that's very funny. A lot of people had the Burton Roberts reaction to Chris getting voted out. Like, all it's the burn Roberts prophecy. Reborn. And that one I felt like that that track for me where it's like, it's the it's the young tough alpha guy who usually makes it decently far seemingly playing clean game makes a misstep makes an overreach and gets knocked out Burton is voted out fourth. So he's he's one spot shy and given the format of the season. The fact that people who get out this early are gonna have a chance to come back into the game of the three people there much as I as I love re daily and Keith is is wonderful as well. You got to believe that Chris Underwood is the favourite to return. I'm excited about his arc right now. I think that this is this is something that could be really fun television moving yard odds on favorite to return to the game. After this wakeup call. Call what I'd like to do Josh in. It's always fun. We get to do. This is I want to go back to have a flashback to your time with Chris back out there in Fiji as was profiled in first one out. So I if we may let's go back to the beach to eavesdrop a little bit on your meeting with Chris Underwood wig. Oh my goodness. Oh my God. Bringing the theme music over here. Oh, man that hey, listen. I wanna wiggle hat. You wanna wombat? All right. So I will vary. Happily deputize you as the official one bet of this. Oh, boy, thank steaks. Or may come full circle. Though. We've come full circle. Denied doomed him was that a curse? Well, we'll see. Thank you. I know this is always came out here. Like, the whole thing has been just to get that hat, and it would be my great privilege. Can I be honest with you? Yes, I've been waiting for this all day. Spend seven hours and not talking to anyone not doing anything. Just bullshit. My way to this very point got them honored touch to tell you this. God. To tell you this dude, you cursed me. Did curse him? Well, if you go back to rob and you. Yeah. Devolution of strategy. Yes. Season twenty seven. Okay. Blood versus water. Doing for Monica. Yeah. Now every time I don't wanna go up to the bathroom or do something. Why doesn't he want to go to the bathroom? I always thought. It was weird the way he says do something. And it sounds like do them thing. Did you hear that? It just seems a little strange. Yeah. I'm like for Monica. Just like somehow like trips my mind to do whatever I wanna do everything that you've been doing since hearing that chapter has been for monitoring for Monica. So you're out here to win. I'm winning for money. That tell you. I'm I'm both like horrified by that. But also, deeply touched to know that I have invaded you're bringing deep way to go, man. Gosh. In granted outs. They can't a catchphrase in my life now. All right. So your mission. Now is you got to come up with the catchphrase that when we do the evolution of strategy. Thirty eight. We'll be able to impact your cat phrase into some other player the Kurds long reverse. That's I'm going to do it. Think of some like really good catchphrases that you can bust out this season. We'll we'll go with that. Okay. Health. Think about it. I think a lot about it yet. Well, unless we wanna go it screw those guys. So just. It's a funny clip. It was a funny being before the season. But you know, in listening back to that, you know, I kind of feel like that for Chris. I think that he kind of missed the core message of third persona. Well, what would you say is the is the core message? What did he snooze on? Well, where we made fun of Monica Culpepper back in survivor blood vs water constantly talking about how what's best for Monica doing it for Monica. I don't know if Chris was selfish enough as a player to think about he's doing it for Underwood. Yeah. I think that he did seem to have more of a tribe mentality. You know seemed to want to please a few different parties before looking out for his own interests, primarily I think you see that in David sitting him down and say, listen, if you tell the war dog what we're trying to do here. I really think it's going to blow up much like Twitter survivor Twitter will at the CEA jokes. And he goes and tells the war dog and it happens, and so maybe just like protected the plate a little more and not worry about like. Okay. My blindsiding the war dog in addition to blindsiding Wentworth by going after Wentworth, maybe it plays a little bit differently. I thought also Wardag had an interesting comment. I think on Twitter where he said, yeah, he had a lot. I know. But one one of the things he said that I caught was how does this play? If Chris comes to ward argon says this is what David and Rick or thinking rather than saying, I think we should go. After went worth the war dog says it plays differently. So So Chris trying to protect the secret of David and Rick as well that probably didn't help him either. So yeah, he should have been listening to third persona co a little bit more. He should have just been doing it for her aka for him. I really feel like that the move for Chris would have been. Been to vote out Kelly at the second tribal council where he goes back, and then is talked into keeping Kelly around by war dog. And then now is seen as somebody who I think is a little bit of caught in the middle by David rides. Ultimately going to say, okay, let's just cut this guy loose because he's not a reliable number. And he had Keith where Keith says to him like I vote in your pocket in the same way that David Wright looks at Wendy's is on the never get rid of Wendy. Wendy is great. I keep her around. Like Chris had the opportunity that same thing with Keith could've put him right there in his pocket. Not sure if there would have been enough room to keep Keith in there to Menendez. He had him, and he could have been part of this five personal lions. Kelly Wentworth is out of the game. Sure may be war dog and Lauren not thrilled. But I think that that's what's best for Underwood. Yeah. I Chris is a fascinating guy. He was the last person. I spoke to in the preseason. He really was very amped up. I think I may have told this story already when we spoke in the first wiggle room. That like he's the last person that I'm talking to in. Everybody's waiting for me to finish up. The interviews. And this one ends up being I think the longest one by good few minutes. And he's he's a big fan of the show. He's obviously listening to podcasts and everything he's got the aesthetics of somebody who's going to do really well in this game with this know-how disguised. You know, this is not the type of person you look at. And you think that guy's a superfan. But on top of all of that. And he was the one who fess up to it in speaking with me, he talked about how he was starting to feel like really kind of overwhelmed by the moment of being out there actually being out there on the cusp of playing survivor a dream that he had had for a very long time. And how he has been putting so much pressure on himself to have like this perfect experience that he wants to be out there, and he just wants. To have the absolute best experience that you could possibly have to play the very best game one could ever play. And I think that he had pressure. I think he had I think he put a lot of pressure on himself to perform to a point where he he missed a few things. And I know you and Stephen talked it through in his point Steven's point was that there wasn't much that Chris did wrong. And I don't disagree with him. Like, I don't think that there was much that Chris did wrong. But he just missed like some key attributes in judging some of these people, I think that what we're seeing in this tribe dynamic so far is a lot of people who have like locked into other individuals where you've got Rick and David seem like they are very tight Kelly Lawrence berry tight Wardag person. Maybe Chris thought that's who his person was Warnock's person seems to be more Kelly. And I think that Kristen tie anyone. I really think that the chickens might have tip the scales in favor of Wentworth in terms of being more dogs number one person. Yeah. I like that take that take two. It's crazy though that Chris gets voted out on a week where you have Wendy threatening to release the chickens. She has stolen the Flint, and it looks like her ankle has been shattered into oblivion down. She still survives past. Chris Underwood is wild. Well, I really think that this is a great exhibit in the way that I look at survivor now where I think that the worse, you are the things that would have gotten you voted out way back when are the exact things that keep you safe? So if you go on survivor get hurt in the first challenge destroy the camp of don't be in alliance. All these things that we tell you to do when you first get there that is all the opposite of what you should do. Chris is much more. Traditionally the way that you should go out there and try to play the game. He's voted out Wendy done everything wrong. There's this nothing that she's done that the survivor handbook would tell you to do. And she is safe. We've. Yeah. But you got imagine that her time is coming up. I really be surprised if if she's not one of the next two or three voted out like I feel like Wendy is the Natalie of the season like the really big bream urged narrowly. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know when he would give her the jacket. I'm sure she would give up the chickens, but I feel like it's a similar person a similar like they're very different characters. They're very different people. But I think that they're occupying similar spaces in. This is a seismic force at this stage of the story. But how far can it go especially when she's injured when she's injured when she is scheming to to release the chickens. She stealing stuff from camp that can't fly for too much longer. Right. I would be really surprised if we see Wendy at the merge portion of the game in any capacity other than extinction. Well, we'll see it'll depend a lot on where she ends up and how many people from her old tribe. Those she end up with and I think that she could be a person that if she ends up on a tribe with somebody from her old group like Lauren or Wentworth or war dog. She could be the person's like, yeah, I'd vote them out like all turn against the fellow Manu per. Listen, if that's how it goes. And just a little bit of a tease for what's coming up. Josh. And I will do our draft at the swap. So we'll see where Wendy goes in terms of who will be the first player voted out at the swap draft coming up later on this show back to Wendy. Josh in terms of her stealing the Flint and to release the chickens. Did you have any thoughts on a Wendy's of threat? Well, I was it was a delight to watch this come together on the show. I wish I had pulled the audio. But I wasn't able to do that. But in the preseason, it didn't make it in into the first one out stuff. I didn't see it anywhere else. I didn't look closely enough. But when he was talking about this pre-game, this is something that she wanted to do. This was her master plan coming into the season. This wasn't like some spur of the moment thing that happened when she saw that her tribe had one. In the chickens that she couldn't abide the fact that they were gonna get killed. And so she was going to have to try and do something about it. She's been wanting to do this since the preseason. It's what she spoke to me about. So to see her talking about it on the show was was both. Not a shock. But also a shock that it was actually kind of coming together. And now, I'm on the edge of my seat to see how this is going to play out. I if she does this it looks like the trailer. She does right. It's gonna be a nightmare. How does she survive that? There's just no way well tribe. Swap would help those things the lease Manu check ins, and then ends up on different people. But was somebody else under the sandy Bergen bus? Right. I guess what? What did she say to you in the you said if we get chickens I'm gonna let them out? Yeah. That's exactly what she said. What was your follow up? My father was like why why do you wanna do? 'cause I don't like it when they eat the chickens on the show. And it's something I wanna do. I think it'd be really great. And that was it that that was the idea that was the pitch, and it was all sort of part of just like the world wind of a twenty minute conversation with Wendy has like, wow. This is this person is unlike anyone I have seen on survivor before integrate way where this is this is this is remarkable. This is the type of person I get that was happening, and I was out there. And I was playing. I would be very upset with anything like that. But as a TV viewer who has no real skin in the game, remarkable, remarkable stuff and cheese. Great casting because she somebody that comes into the game with a very different world view, and like view of the game board than anybody else there. And as we've talked about a lot in the strategy. This is really fun for other players to have to navigate around that where you have a player like David Wright. Oh, this is perfect. I need to keep this person around and the other people like the war dog saying like, no absolutely not this person is ruining everything we need to get rid of this person. So it is a very fun time bomb that has to be disarmed in the game. Yeah. And you know, how I feel about bombs on survivor like the we've talked about this before looking at. Talked about it. A couple minutes ago the wounds of the world, the Keith nails, the people that are kind of strategy bombs that you have to figure out how you're going to navigate those people. I enjoy that on survivor as long as it's not the majority of the casting, and as long as people are also really fun characters. I don't think that this is like a mean-spirited thing that Wendy is coming up with. I think it is just like part of Wendy. This is something that she wants to do. And I'm curious to see how plays out and what the fallout is going to be also I'm recording this week from home rather than my office. So as often happens when I'm recording from home. My wife can hear everything that I'm saying, I'm recording this podcast. Emily FOX who raised chickens when she was when she was a teenager. She has hurt us talking about the chickens, and she says depending on how domesticated the chickens are. They might just wander back over if they're used to being fed and chilling in the same area. So her prediction, I guess is if the. Chickens are very domesticated chickens. They may just wander back to mono Cam. Even if Wendy releases them the tide had done a lot of letting the chickens out like I think he had them on a leash kept him around. But I'm sure that Emily FOX is standing big Wendy and her stance on the chickens. I well, she's not watching survivor also. But if she did you tell her about her the other things she said, it's also possible that they will be horribly eaten by any number of predators in the wild before is the other option for the chicken. So yeah, I mean, Wendy releasing the chickens. She may be just releasing them. Too much grislier death than what they would get. Twins. Go wrong. Go wrong away. Yeah. This monster emerges nyah weights. Chickens. Yeah. What what would happen would see take? Wendy's prize money is that how that would work. She she she take all Wendy's money that she was to earn on survivor and maybe redistribute that somewhere else. I'm not sure what the just I think about this because we talked about this on this weekend. Survivor basically, every survivor alumni had the same tak- like up doing it for the money. If you are a famous person, and you end up having your name somehow associated with survivor that I think that you come to be like a scourge on the survivor fan community of the you just like our unpopular figure among the people like oh you ruining the show famous nursing. I don't know why you're picking a fight with Mike white right now. You should let this lie. I don't know. Keep sia. Yeah. You like her music. Yeah. Yeah. Chandelier. Yeah. Yeah. Really banking on the fact that he's not still listening to the podcast. Am I? I don't know. I I would love to have Mike white as a guess on the pond. Yes, that'd be great. That'd be fantastic. I I thought about emailing him recently to be on. But then I thought that like the response we like what is wrong with you? What was the response again? What's the worst? That happens. He says what's wrong with you? Ask them. Okay. I guess so as well, right? Yeah. Why not car pay DM? Right. I still haven't delighted carpet friend request. About their Facebook friend request or carry over from. Until we record strategy. Yeah. You're years away from having to send a friend request to Mike white. I don't even know if he's on Facebook doubt it I don't think. So. All right. Josh, then let's talk a little bit about our friend Aubrey Bracha real down back week for Aubrey. That was exciting. That was really awesome to see our rebroadcast, get immunity idol, and I really enjoyed seeing like the flashback of her out on her first seasons. Looking. Survivor. You guys got the tapes you've got the receipts. They've got that archive footage that we haven't seen on the show before. Then pulling from that material. I thought was was really really cool indices Opry get that. That was great like I mean, this is this weird type of season where art of me is really rooting for the rookies to do what has not been done before. And just like sees the game back from the returnees in this type of format, but I also really liked the returning players. And I want good things to happen to them as well. So the Aubrey get that idol, I was very happy for her. I was I was thrilled to see that happen. And I think it could not have happened at a better time, especially as we're staring down the barrel of the swap and the atmosphere of this season being so decidedly against the returning players. It is a great thing that she has this this weapon in her arsenal. Moving forward. I'm thrilled about it. I think it's a fantastic development. So I feel like that for Aubrey that her. Story is very unclear for me because I really don't know where it's going in terms of that she has not really been able to make the social bonds that we're used to seeing her make in some of her previous stints out there on survivor, but she does have the idol. She's almost on like the old school Kelly win worth trajectory. That's fun. I like that. That's cool. I think for Aubrey like if she is able to seize the momentum of this moment of finding an idol maybe getting like a lucky break on the swap and finding some some strong people and being able to make it further into the game. Almost like Sirri and game changers. Not that she found the idol. But that she swapped, well and got herself into a position where she didn't have to worry about getting votes against her for a while in her threat level minimized like if Audrey is able to ride like a wave to the merge, you can imagine the scenario where maybe. She is able to play in like a very gifted way where she is using the idol is able to forge some bonds some of the people who are little down on their luck. Maybe she's able to flip to the Minu crew. Maybe she's able to turn someone like Wendy into a disciple to to recruit her in the way that she's done in the past with like Thai. Maybe she is able to ride this thing out in after yet. Another rocky start get to the finals and this time win at all. I think of the the returning players that we have back this season. She's you know, she's still like in a little bit of a dangerous spot with the way that people have talked about her game. But I think from a story perspective the story of Joe has been like he's kind of aloof in doesn't even know that people are plotting against him when they're doing it in front of him in the story of David and Kelly has been Kelly doesn't even know that David is coming after her, and she's just being attacked at all these different fronts without even knowing it and David is just so dead set on coming after Kelly. Early. But obvious the one of these attorneys that actually has like a winner story. I think so far that she has this low moment. And now she's having this bounce back. And I think that you can imagine the scenario where she's able to push that forward to completing the job. Unlike what happened her I I'm at final tribal council. So I'm excited about I think it's a has the makings of being a really cool story swop is going to determine so much this. I think this really fascinating dynamics. And especially in terms of the returning players in terms of what that could look like if they end up on the same tribes together like what is David and Joe on the same tribe. Look like, you know, what the Kellyanne Aubrey look like will will Kelly and Joe app to work together on the same tribe if they end up together. So I think that there are some really fun stuff. So Josh, let's let's do our swap draft. Yeah. I wanna do that. So here's what we'll do is that we'll each draft a tribe of. Five of we are looking for the player most likely to be voted out if they end up going in this week's episode. And so it's a tricky thing to do we have a whole tribe that has never been to a tribal council. But ultimately, we're looking for people that we think are the most ripe that potentially get screwed over by the swap as once happened to Kelly Wentworth herself in her very first time out on survivor. Okay. Josh, I don't remember exactly how this works last time. But I'm willing to give you since it is your birthday, the choice of either you can have the first pick overall or you could have the second and third pick overall. In our snake? And. Draft. I think I'll take the second third spots. I will also just say I cannot believe that we are swapping down to three tribes while edge of extinction is also in play very very nervous about episode for how much survivor can we handle like is it just going to be too much? Or are we going to be really blown away by how they're able to handle all the story content. I think that this is a real stress test that we're moving into this next episode very curious to see it, and I'm not super optimistic. So I'm at the edge of my seat waiting to see how edge of extinction handles retry, plus a orth of outcasts just some programming notes overall in terms of survivor. So it's March eleventh today as we've discussed the season ends two months from Friday. This is going to be a season. I think that is going to move very quickly. It seems like that the total Runtime of the season seems to be one week shorter. CBS has announced that the finale is going to be coming up on may fifteenth Wednesday night may fifteenth. So we are, you know, really careening towards both the merge, and then I really think that the season is going to end up flying by when all is said and done one week from Wednesday on March twentieth. We have our double episode this season. So we're going to get episode number four coming up this week. And then we're gonna get episodes five and six coming up on the night of the twentieth. And so we may have the merge of two weeks from Wednesday night on the twenty seven if they merge in some episode this season is going so whiffed -ly. Yes. So it is going by quick. So all right. Josh. So I have the number one pick overall and. I don't want to outsmart myself that I do think that probably the chalk pick. Here has to be big Wendy. I think that there are a lot of ways that she does stay in the game. We have seen her to be somebody who is actually very strong in the challenges when they are in the water and even the challenges on land outside of her of her ankle. And it's a question of how bad that remains to be that. I think that she somebody that could certainly pull her weight enough in these challenges. And also, you know, a sixty six percent chance she doesn't go to a tribal council each time out. So I will say that. I'm bullish for big Wendy overall. But I think that you have to take the number one pick in the who's likely to get voted out draft. Yeah. I think so too. I think that that makes a lot of sense. I thought that one of the things that may have been a reason for war dog, you know, basically selling. Chris out going to win worth and saying we gotta turn this thing on Chris. When Wendy seems like such the obvious decision at this last tribal council because of tribe harmony because of her injury, it may it occurred to me that maybe in war dog's mind Wendy's days are numbered anyway because of the injury and that that is kinda just going to resolve itself anyway fairly soon, and that's another number off the board without having to think about it too hard moving forward. So I think I think that Wendy's probably toast here pretty soon if not in this next episode then in the two hour one is the week after right? I don't think that she I don't think that she's still on the island other than edge of extinction. But then flipped on its head though. Josh because if if at at nine A one pm ten to one PM eastern time on March twentieth. Then she went to the game. If she doesn't win the game. But she gets picked by the person who wins the final four immunity challenge as the person to go. At the end. So she's in the final three she gets zero or one or two votes from like Keith unreal. And that's that's it. So basically, there's like a very two very divergent outcomes for big Wendy. I mean, I would love to see Wendy at the vinyl tribal council. It'd be rooting for that pretty hard. I think that'd be a lot of fun. So if that outcome comes to pass, I will be very happy for her in and be I will I will probably be happy for the season. Because I think the more Wendy that we've got the the more electric. It's going to be okay at the council when she takes the Flint out of her pocket. Like, hey, guys. Remember the flame? It like. Incredible incredible. That's so can't believe she took the Flint. Like the palpable drew Christie flashbacks just so as ING speaking of which I'll take Wentworth I'll take. I will take Wentworth here. And I'll take David Wright. I'm gonna take the two returning players on mono as my as my first two picks in the draft board because they're returning players. The the mood in the air about returning players this season kind of on both sides of the aisle. Joe has a lot more that he seems to he's an insane challenge beast, and he's probably not going to be going to tribal council whichever tribe. He winds up on. So I don't imagine that he is going to be in as much danger as went worth and David and Aubrey even though there's been a lot of talk about her over at the comet tribe. She has the now I feel decent about her shot. David already coming after Wentworth Wentworth has just been targeted at every single tribal council. She's gone to so far. So she sealing the heat. She's been screwed by the swap in the past history could repeat itself here and David who I adore. I adore both of these players. David. I think could be somebody if he's swapped unluckily with a bunch of common people, and they already have their knives out for returning players. You could be very easy person to to pick off unless he's able to do something very clever, which we shouldn't put pass David. Right. I just think of all the people that are on the board. I don't love the way that things have gone for mono, anyway, so far and the way that things seem to be training for returning players, and some blood has to be spilled in that regard fairly soon. So give me Kelly. I give me David second. Okay. All right. Doubling down on the returning players. Okay. So I think I'm going to split the difference here. So I'm gonna go with a new player, and I'm going to say war dog at number four, and I'm just going to play the math here where that chances are wherever he goes. He's going to be in the minority in terms of Kama versus MMA new, and if you're saying like, hey, let's take out one of their strong players. Let's go to the tribal council. So maybe strewed by the swap war dog. And then as. As you pointed out with these returning players. You know, the target is really big could Aubrey potentially go out on the swap, maybe blindsided doesn't play her idol potentially. I will go with Aubrey man. I mean, I'm gonna take Joe right now. Just because I want to have as many of these returning players on my side as possible because I think that we gotta lose one relatively soon. So why not at this walk? Aubrey. I got such a good read on on people even. Tough her getting voted out not playing the idol. Now, it suck. I'd be bummed about that. But you know, that would be a real testament to the power of these new players who I imagine ones orchestrating that so TV I would just hate it at the expense of Aubrey. All right. So I'll take Joe for my for my first spot here, and then sticking with the theme of people of returning players being endanger, even though all four returnees are off the board. How about somebody who has been who has been beating drum of going for returning players. And what if somebody is to go after Aubrey not knowing that Aubrey has an idol, and it backfires on this person specifically on so give me the firemen. Eric eighth Eric I didn't I'm gonna go for I'm gonna take Eric eighthman as as my fourth Vic here who could who could be coming after the returning players. Could be coming after Aubrey as he has said in the past. And maybe that was on there because he's going to get idled out. Maybe he will be the Andrew savage to aubrey's Kelly Wentworth. Okay. I will go at number eight I will go with Aurora here as somebody who is a odd person out on the comet tribe, and if they end up in some sort of a tribe swap where maybe there's somebody from Monu that they wanna keep around. Hey, let's vote out Aurora. She's working with the returning players anyway. So I could see her potentially being the victim of getting swap screwed. And then I'm also gonna take another new player from the comet tribe and gimme Victoria, just because she's been probably tied with Ron Clark as being the most visible of the new players over on, comma. And so. Oh, maybe we're seeing a lot of her because it's about to be the end of her. Yeah. Yeah. I could see that. In that same spirit, or I guess the the opposite end of that spirit. I'm tempted to take Julia as my last pick because we haven't seen any Julia. And I just wonder if like that's the kind of person that kinda gets buried with sort of an Unser Omonia departure coming up here soon. Got imagine that there's more story for for Julia than just getting knocked out at the swap so sticking with the theme of picking Eric all just pick Eric's right hand, man. I'm gonna get Gavin here. Having take Gavin Ismael aspic and say that this this coming for Aubrey Bronco move would would backfire on either Eric or on Gavin depending on where those votes that's my fan fiction. And that leaves me with Kelly went worth David Wright. Joey amazing, Eric Eighthmen and Gavin the lover of fried pickles. Okay. On my end that I have a big Wendy Ward dog Aubrey Aurora and Victoria, and that leaves the undrafted team is Devon's. Julia, Julie, Ron and who's the other person who's the other person that went on draft. We didn't say Lauren, I think Loren Loren Loren went undrafted. Yeah. That would be something to be Kelly Wentworth protege and ultimately suffer the same. Of the idol. Tough to see her get screwed over by the swamp. Hopefully, she digs it up before. They have the go to the. Yeah. I wonder what the rules on that would be like if she didn't would survivor the production. Would they dig up the idol and bring it to her the good question to ask if you ever get the opportunity? Yeah. All right. Josh before we head to the wand off real quick three things that nobody else's talking about. He got anything here that you may have some stuff. Okay. Yet, people started emailing some things prefer it this way. I think it's gonna it's going to be a you guys throw out the things that we're not talking about the known song about the respond. I think that's a better deal. I respond to magazine on Twitter that that she thought that you were going to mention these satin sheets that were covering the chickens twist is a great new podcast, by the way. If you're having a lot of fun this. It's a very good show. That's having a lot of times dynamite podcast. Okay. Mic. See road into say the way the confessionals on the edge are being cut is super refreshing. They had multiple cameras on ream when she was talking about Mount Everest and cutting different shots of her talk. Being rather than a single static shot confessional that there have been for thirty seven seasons. I guess it's because they have a bunch of production people on the island. But there aren't too many people to keep eyes on. Yeah. Yeah. I love doing the edge of extinction. Are you? I am Reme. I am. I don't wanna see it all the time. But it's era right now. So I'm enjoying it. While while it's here glass half full kind of guy. I like how it has this quality like sort of this Punchdrunk quality of like you're out there, and you're really depleted, and like you're fading in and out of consciousness with the with the way that hitting hitting the way things are cut together. That's so funny that you bring up Penner do the Penner impression. Nobody's talking about this. But I had a dream last night. That Michael Sarah was a big fan of what we do here on rob has a podcast, and he was listening to the evolution of strategy. I was finding this out from an acquaintance, but he had to stop listening because he hated the Penner impressions like, Malcolm. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. That's a real story about Malcolm, Michael Sarah in my dream. I guess anyway. Yeah. I enjoyed this about the edge of extinction. The food supplies situation on Nejib extinction. Really sucks. That's that's horrible as well. Just give up on eating. Don't even bother going for the rice. Okay. Forty five minutes up. That's terrible. All right. Let me give you another thing from another one of our listeners. Terry wants to know how do they make the decision to kill the rooster? When the rooster is the one that ensures that chickens lay the eggs. Tomato question. Yeah. I mean, I could bring Emily in here. And we could we could ask her because I've got no I've got no real smart answer to have that works with the chickens and everything I think she is she's clarified to that in the past before them. So just dig back into the wiggle remark. Ives? I'll say I'll give you number three that. I like to point out when the returning player mentors are running off on their men TS. Here is David right back in millennials versus gen-x crap. And then here is a Devon's here in season thirty eight oh crap. That's good rubbing. The one thing that I was gonna say that nobody is talking about this week is Vitas Bush CASAs. Yes. I think you are right almost nobody is talking about Vitas Bush gaskets this. We so many people talking about artists or a lot of talk about honest on the on the podcast. I believe Megan's Z mentioned Vitas when she came onto the podcast for twist this week. So can't exactly say nobody's talking about fetus. Okay. All right. Josh before we get into this week's one off. Let me take a moment. And thank our sponsors podcast, and those are friends over at clip and quip is a better electric toothbrush created by dentists and designers. Look these people out there on the edge of extinction. 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Like the way that you do add reads so passionate like it's so clear that you actually love the product. Like, it's just that was amazing. That was one of the best average. I've ever heard in my wife loan from you. I'm not lying. I love. I do. I do love the quip tooth. I what's what's toothbrush use? Josh. I use a real basic. Just as. You need to. Leave your lipid naked. Happy. Just. Could. Your turn. Yeah. That's fine. Right. Bird day wand off for Josh wig ler needed quip. And yes quip? All right. Josh quip quip quip cramp. Okay. All right. The the Troy's. Yeah. Troy's in he's back. He's very topical. Again. These many ways in so many ways so many so many different survivors embodying the characteristics. Into two specific members of the monitor and think of Josh we've got a lot to get to. We got a stacked group of honorable mentions here today in the wand off and then the top five, but first we've got to get to the old business who won last week's one of it was tight. It was a barn burner where it was super close the tabulated. Kirk Clark has verified these results we told you in week one that it was a landslide for Bob with two Bs, but just to resolve that quip hanger, by the way, we'll just we'll send him the the Rucker half. Okay. Good handle that cliffhanger with gravitas survivor handled the cliffhanger. Yeah. This fast episode less than three percentage points divide the top three finishers and that. Fractions of a percentage point between number one and number two this week. Okay. So let's get to it in third place this past week. It was the full Murphy with the play or go twenty one point eight three percent of the vote in second place. That was good with twenty three point three nine percent of the vote to say, it's hard luck, losers, Jordan Kayla and Aaron Robertson so close to their first right there Batts had ever. It's going to happen this. This statistic are on Aaron side at the very least. I believe that Aaron Robertson is at ten times in the finals never having won the wombat keep fighting. I want you in wombat nation. This is going to happen for you. Keep going. Okay. All right. And so the winner of the second one off of the season with twenty four point two eight percent of the vote against second place at twenty three point three nine percent of the vote. It was Alex g with Clark likes to dance. Run. Gee. With strategizing. All right -gratulations to Alex off to a real hot start the season. Don't forget that Alex g had the hands off the table, which we in the top by because did not really about the first survivor, but Alex g shut out of a cannon here again in season thirty eight. Okay. Josh. And the man gets the black trucker hat. Yes. Yes. So graduations to Alex Jeeves for his win in week number two. Of course, let's bring in the host of the wand off the late great, Casey Kasem, rob, it's a pleasure to be here. And I let me give a long distance dedication to the special birthday. Boy. And is name is Josh Wigley. Oh, oh tasty. That's really sweet. So nice. It's really nice. If you saw the very I've never encountered this take in the wild. And I'm I don't remember who tweeted it. But I finally encountered the take from somebody who listens to the wiggle room enjoys the wiggle room listens to the wand off enjoys the wand off doesn't care for Casey Kasem. Josh the Casey case of aspect washed from the Wanda, which I don't understand. But okay, if you're gonna have lovers, you're also gonna have haters. It's just never found that before. Wow. Haters. You can. You know, what we have kids? It was those podcast. I'm not gonna say when I was about to say. Casey. Don't come for Casey. Okay. Let's get to this week's are more mentions. And we're going to start off talking about a subject that a lot of wand off nation wanted to talk about this week. We are going to kick things off talking about poultry here is M C clearly Maria Gomez. Classic from Verner Thomas. Starring you off survivor, South Africa. The chicken dance came out to play. I hope you're ready for more talk about the chickens us. Here comes Jillian from Tucson. How? So she. That was from a new band that we just discovered here on the podcast recently called the Beatles. Larvae? Man. Josh, I hope you're not tired yet. Hearing about the chickens Boca's. Here comes Chad from San Diego. Here's these to see me from this Katie to free me from the shackles and still toward on. I'm stuck in captive chicken inside this jail. But mine rightful thanks to win. Saving this skin. Classic from it artist. That goes by a lot of names, Johnny blaze, Johnny Spade. Johnny nitro John Morrison Johnny moved on Johnny ultra Johnny cash. Very good. Very good. Very very good. We've talked about the chickens, but we haven't talked about how they weren't able to get cooked. Here comes a finalist from last week, full Murphy. Tree. Winner. Windy as feeding future. And show based in at the. Wow. That was sung by TV legend, Fred Flintstone e baloney. Oh, man banana Laffy taffy sounds good right about now. Josh I've been issued a memo that we have not given equal time to the comma tribe this week. So let's talk about some of the shenanigans going over at the comet trimbe. It's. But you want to strata. Make sure there's no one around. We're standing right beside you. Unto your. Feel me. Four. Doesn't even. To us. That was a beautiful ballot from Elton. Johnny blazed. Johnny spe Johnny nitro John wars in Johnny Moondog, Johnny ultra mayor of slam town. That's gonna work just about every time for me. That's good. That's good. All right. We've got a little bit more about the comma tribe, and we have a celebration of the group from DJ Burke, west Dhaka hush. That's the Oscar award winning group. Queen stays Queen. Audios? Josh we have barely touched on what's happening over on extinction island. And so that's where we're about to go. Courtesy of token chiens Ryan. Sure. Cheese explored a no, she's fine. This two two. He gets. Who's you have? And so. Was the. Soon. Two two. That was a ballot from Led Zeppelin Spillman. And I love Keith. I'm so glad that he went to extinction island. I mean, there's that. It's. Is so good. But also wonderful where he just. Ream. I love the way he screams. If I could just jump India. Mike bloom on the the BNB with the Keith the Z's impression. I haven't listed in be. That's beijing. Yes. Absolutely. I feel like educate extinction has the makings of turning into parks and rec out on survivor, and it's going to be fantastic. I guess ream daily probably a little too cynical to play the, Leslie. Nope. Character. Maybe it could just be like a really angry, Leslie. Nope. Who hasn't gotten her waffles yet? So funny, so good. Well, Josh you're in luck because we're staying on extinction island because we're about to hear from Sheldon from LA. Anyone can see? Be quiet. Him thinking. Queen kids. Dreams they seem into. Fizzy? That was the group fast Dave ball. And to be honest. It probably wasn't going to be in the honorable mentions until I heard a loss Joe. And in honor of Josh's birthday. Karen arable? Nice nice. You listen lost reference is a quick way to my heart. But don't pander and make all lost wand off because it won't end up getting in the honorable mentions. It'll just be on the soundcloud unless it's really good. It's really good. If if it's really good, we'll play it as an honorable mention. But it won't be in the top five if it has nothing to do with survivor. Save it for the lost one for the for the loss podcast that is at some point off in the future. It's coming your way. Give it some time. We'll do the lost one. What's the lost one called the Walter? Getting huge. Yes, too. Big. Josh next up is a superstar from the one off that we were introduced to last week. It's eleven year old amazing maisy back busy. Major. Now. Charge on. On. He's. He will. Arching? That was the eleven year old amazing maisy and that was Tanna the ants joy. Wow. It's been a long time thought advance. It's been a minute. Josh, wonderful work. We've got one more one for you this week, and it's from Graham from the bay. Chris. There was a way. Was. With. Wrong entry from Graham from the bay, Casey Kasem, not was not and Graham, that's a red card. That's a red card for you Graham, from the rob really sorry. I saw Graham from the bay. I didn't realize that he had sent in two songs. I apologize. Here is the correct song from Graham run the bay. Free. And get that money from c. She's. As with wheel. Shades. Ronnie and Drewnowski a-. And that was the correct song from Graham from the bay. That was from the artist spanned do bell AK. Australian survivor. Rob. I'm really sorry about mixing up this. Casey, DOE, deposits prop Duquette. Casey. He does. So. Josh, I you know, how hard I worked to cut all of the clips for this that I just wanna make sure that we're playing eight the talent it is eleven year olds listen to this podcast. Edit this part out because this is Eric dirty laundry. Like this on the on the podcast and let everybody know how much conflict there is in the one team national. Josh, I have to accept full responsibility. I'm supposed to be a pro of been doing this for over sixty years at this, Casey. I don't like this feels like emotional abuse against Casey. And I'm just not here for an into my birthday. And I'm obsessed and my birthday has been ruined by Rob's behavior. Josh we need to focus on the top five songs and one bat nation for the week. All right. If you're ready to carry on and so my Josh. Consummate professional, and this is what I do. And here is the top five songs in the wombats nation coming at you. Here we go you can vote always long. Go to rob has a website dot com slash vote Wanda to vote in this week's Wanda. And of course, the patrons of rob as podcast can listen to all the songs on our weekly soundcloud playlist, which is uploaded every week by the great Randy new poll, and this is the biggest soundcloud playlist of the season so far well over thirty five songs and counting for man. Number three. The wand of. We're going to start things off with one of our newer artists. Danny with one end talking about Aubrey and her search for the idol. Faced with. Reports and. Gate and things too. Listings been through some by on. Fire big in with few sticks. Everything in this game would seem that. Team. Looking ten holds. Digging tree male. St. g looked just wanted as the. Thanks. On these new things that they got the numbers without another goal news and over that time travel Michaud beat me beg. But I'd be like. When you see next around loan search. Search. Live in entry. Turnings readiness. If do you want you can check it with with Kim changes of us. You get. Now was hit song for the artists are Reimi. Ana grunt. Ramana 'grande. Van great Aubrey anthem. I mean, you know, the best obvious, but it's good second-best. Josh if you're into Aubrey anthems, you're in luck because we've got another song all about Aubrey Bronco here from Wanda. Staples, J, D, N Leah. Thang reser Lucia plays out onto prising. Tried to trade notes in chain. Guarding the same speech. You remind me making the Santa. Toria? There. There's an. Two. That was polka rearrangement of a great song from the Julie cranberries. Poca zombie. I never knew it was a thing that could happen. What a day up wonderful. Josh next up the number three song and warm bat nation comes to us from Nick Fishman and Aaron Robertson. Aired you got a shot here. Still. It's all about the fire situation at them. Try. Aaron robertson. Of it is. Time. Which new finally one and beg. Wendy was crushed beans. Bierens literally one of the chicken spree and need it. But Herber perc- won't help the Steve been. Three dim that wag. No. Was there target for what Steve would steal. She steal observed. That was a great number from the artist and Rickenbacker Lacy's. Place. See? The number four song in combat's nation for you to vote on in this week's Wanda off comes to us from the champ fraud survivor, David versus Goliath, it's Matt from Waterloo talking about everybody's favorite blue haired survivor, totally thought he meant Nick Wilson was sending get one. One. All the Manu tribe struggling to survive allow me to dive into this poultry issue Goldie less season was in the states growing up at the war challenge, man. Who finally didn't to the reborn challenge way? Chickens. Yuck. What the club blue hair don't care flair for the dramatic what the flock train the million three chicks and big. She's from she's truth play. Vegetarian. Stephen just for eighteen Jacobson night should be machete. The shed. Uncle Jonathan that was a classic number from the artist. Notorious B I g c aka big Papa bear. Great. It's real. And then the number five song in all of one bats nation. It comes to us from this week's returning champion. Can't he go back to back as he's talking about big Wendy's eating habits? Here's Alex g. Is the thing. It was stay sev- and one the reward but hurt my let. Yeah. Yeah. We got some chick. Chicken coop. Contemplated? When to stray was the star to cry. Yeah. Yeah. Kill the. See is watching by game. Hypocrites. True. Guests to change my ways that Terry. Last time crew to or. Stoyan? Kim won. Screw you. Still. Stole your. On this show, stole your guess. Now, you're. Now, you're. Terry. Thicke Wendy's of. Terry. At this point. I don't think chicken dinners and wants my. That was a great job by artists. Kelly, Ron Clarkson. Josh wake ler there. You have the top five songs in all of one bats nation this week on the wand off short of vote all week long. As the tabulated is counting down all of the votes at rob has a website dot com slash vote. One voting goes on through Friday each and every week special. Thanks again to Randy new poll for uploading all the songs to our soundcloud playlist and to Jason Curtis Rivera who puts together all of the music videos for the whole one week after week. Yeah. Did you guys are the best? We've got the best crew in the biz crew and the survivor parody music. This can touch. Yeah. Yeah. Say more. But it's it's my birthday. I don't wanna spill the teeth today. Famous catch famous catchphrase spill the t-, Josh Wigley. I hope you have a very happy birthday. And remember to everybody out there and wombats nation to keep your feet on the ground and keep your hands off the table. Okay. All right. Pretty good job. I Casey Kasem this Ron only one big. Bye, Casey Kasem, the winner of the weekly one does receive the winklers wombats hat where a returning champion will receive the black one bats hat which happens to be on the stairs up to my office and was affectionately nicknamed the by my younger, son. He saw the wombat tat and he calls it that. That's poop hat, dad. That's bad. It's a long story in terms of the way that his mind works where wig lers wombats is what the hat says a one that that the one piece of information, my kids know about a wombat is that has pooped that is square and so the hat that says one that's on. It has now been reduced down to the poop hat. I think it's a fair alternate way of describing the one bats at we've got our own line of poop hats that were slinging. Yeah. I'm fine with that. They that they are not shading the hat the kids want the hats. But they do know that I want that does have square poop. Man that is that is delightful. That's that's tremendous. And I like the way that their heads work raising. Great children. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Josh. Claire, okay. Josh Winkler is off to a night of pizza and God knows what else. Hope you. Enjoy it buddy. Thanks, man. I'm excited. I think it's going to be. I think it's going to be a treat. Okay. We can only hope so. All right. So Josh anything else that we want to set up? Of course, you wanna check out HR dot com slash survivor for everything that Josh is putting related to the UBS reality TV series. Yes. And I will say I would I would recommend for something that has not yet happened for survivor edge of extinction to maybe go to HR dot com slash survivor on Wednesday morning at ten AM eastern. That's what I would say. Okay. Do that. I think that's something that you would be happy to do HR dot com slash arriver Wednesday at ten AM eastern Wednesday hang out there. Okay. All right hander. That's one thing. The I had a question for people who listen to this podcast and get this far into the podcast to those of you who are listening right now. Do you have any questions for the survivor? God's do. You have anything. I you anybody who's listening to this right now. Do you have a question for the survivor God's because I would love to hear it. I would love to hear the question that you have for the survivor God's if you had the option the opportunity to sit face to face with the survivor. God's ask them anything about survivor the way that it gets made any twists that you like that you don't like that. You'd be curious to see more of something new, especially if you've got a sinked way of putting these questions the shorter the better, I'd love to hear them wiggle room at rob has website dot com. And I'd love to hear them by it's called Friday afternoon. Okay. Now, it'd be woefully. Okay. So Josh wig ler is asking for questions that you would like to have answered by the survivor gods. Yes. That's what I'm asking. Okay. Ball if you'd like no pressure either way. But I think it'd be a fun thing to compile some of the questions from the people from the streets. See if there's anything to be done with that some point in the future. Okay. Then speaking of the future this next upcoming episode of the wiggle room that very sad to say that Josh will not be with us because of this world wind birthday week that he is having right now, we're giving him some time off for the wiggle room next week. So I will be joined by Jessica lease one week from today as a we listen to all of the wand offs and talk about everything that's going on in the survivor season. After the swap with Jessica lease coming up in the week four wiggle room. One week from today that spectacular I'm excited to hear Justice takes on this season of survivor. Hear her takes on next week's one off. Jessica lease a champion here in combat nation. I would say the captain of the one bats guard, Jessica, so I'm thrilled to hear what she has to say about edge of extinction. Of course, Jessica lease. And I talk about the Walking Dead every week on post show recap. So be sure to check out our latest recap where we talk about the hijinks walking for people that don't know the Walking Dead is a show all about the hijinks of a sixteen year old boy in the NBA. And follows what what what this what this young boy in the is in pursuit for love in a world populated by Dombi. That's what that's what that show is about. That's what the show has certainly become. You can hear all about that. With Jessica lease over on post show, recaps myself, and of course, Josh. And I are in the middle of our rewatch of at the end of our rewatch, but we're in the middle of season seven of game of thrones as we will tackle season seven episode five over on post show recaps as well. Yeah, eastwood. Okay. All right. So that's all coming up. 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Game of Thrones Series Finale Feedback | Season 8, Ep #6: The Iron Throne

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Game of Thrones Series Finale Feedback | Season 8, Ep #6: The Iron Throne

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You said it. Right. It just doesn't sound correct. Yeah. That game of thrones is done. And it's like I feel the way that apparently you feel or you experience when you die. According to John snow, I feel nothing. You feel night they'll empty it's it's wild game. There is over. You and I have been talking about this show weekly non-stop for a pretty close to two years. I mean, because we started we started doing the road to west coast before season seven so that was probably late June of twenty seventeen. Yep. We've had a couple of breaks here and there, but we've been mostly uninterrupted since then we've been podcasting about it since even longer than that years that you and I have podcast he yeah, so I mean, we're, you know, we're not totally this isn't the end end you and I still we need to we need to sidebar about exactly how we're gonna. Thrown her this thing, which is certainly something that we will do, we will we will have a series wrap up. And I'm sure there may even be some stray game of thrones podcast, sitting your feed at some point over the next few weeks. So, so keeping your out for that, but this is the this is our first time you and I talking about the series finale of game of thrones. And this'll probably be our deepest of the deep dives for one last ride. It's just wild to me. It's just crazy. Josh, of course. I know everybody is checking out your stuff over at HR dot com slash game of thrones. But if for some reason, people were not able to access the internet since Sunday night, that your take on the game of thrones finale. Yes. Sure, I mean, I've been I've been doing a lot of writing and a lot of that has been, there's been a decent amount of editing work as as well. There's this really great guest column that we. He posted at HR dot com slash game of thrones written by Isaac Hempstead Wright, the king himself, brand, the broken wrote a really great column about his experience, going through game of thrones and his interpretation of the ending and everything like that. And that was something that, that I had set into motion months ago, thinking that it'd be really fun to have a column from somebody who has been part of the game of thrones cast since the beginning or at least close to it, if I couldn't get someone from the beginning, and ideally, one of the kids, considering that they grew up on this show, they grew up before our eyes. But this was part of their lives all the way through. And I'd had like some report with is it comes to right from interviews over the years and knew that he was a very intelligent guy and really was probably going to do a really excellent job of, of writing something like this. And by the, by the time the finale was, you know, getting close to like a half hour from finished or twenty minutes from finish or whatever it was. And brand is. Crowned. The king is a part of me going. Wow. That was a coup that was very exciting. So you were basically like the Tyrian Lancaster of that, basically the powers that be were like, well, we need somebody, and you stood up and said, well brand without Isaac Hempstead Wright. He, he has the best, the best story out of every, yeah. Well, he's got a great story at the very least he's a great storyteller. So it yeah. It was like why do you think I came down here? Yeah. Why do you think I wrote all these words so that it was just amazing to me when that was happening? So I, I had a level of kind of meta joy watching the game of thrones Bonaly, that felt like a really fun. Culmination of, of my experience, getting to cover the show since in some way, shape, or form since the very beginning so that felt like a really fun, cool personal victory. And if you haven't, if you haven't read the column, I really recommend that you do. Do is it rights, so well about his experience on game of thrones? And as I tweeted out, he is an editor's dream. He submitted the article with, like flawless, formatting grammatically perfect required very minimal at its, I've edited, a lot of freelancers over the years. And I would I would rank it comes at right? Really high in the bull. So if the king thing doesn't work out he could come for my job. And I would I would probably give it to him happily. So, so there was that, as far as the episode itself in my, my reaction to the episode itself. I think. I was fine. Fine. It was totally fine. I think it was mostly totally fine. I wasn't I wasn't enamored with it. I wasn't infuriated by it. I didn't feel. I didn't feel much one way or the other. Which is, you know, maybe an indictment of the final season or perhaps a reflection of my own earn out with game of thrones. Which by my own admission is very much a factor in a lot of my head space these days. But there were, there were a lot of things that happened in the finale that much like the rest of the season, I wonder more about the execution of some of these moments and some of these twists and turns versus the outcomes of these interns. I'm mostly really good with as sickly every single outcome. I mostly really happy with who's on the throne such as the throne exists. We'll talk about that with debate that I'm mostly pretty happy with John snow going back north going into the true north. I love aria surviving going to see what's west of west rose. I love Sansa stark Queen in the north. That's very exciting. But the condemned format of the final season all of the rushing of it. All I think somewhere around episode three or four his where it really started to hit me that, like this is just too fast and it's happening at, at such. Speed that it's going to be very hard to feel well in fully satisfied by by the end. So I kind of felt that coming and kind of felt like this was a head space. I had been in before with a show that I loved, and cared about a lot more than I love and care about game of thrones I e lost about a decade ago. And so, I felt he's sort of feelings and the fact that I felt more. Less personally invested in it and more professionally invested in it or more invested in it from this very different vantage point of rather than just this being something that I, I love purely to love it. I really enjoy it and I enjoy talking about it, and I had joy like digging into the themes, but for me that's also work, so there was like a clinical level that I was able to get to ours is like, this is kind of fascinating to me the way that this is all wrapping up both from the story, perspective and sort of the behind the scenes the aspects of it, that I'm able to like, I'm able to cherry pick, what I enjoyed about it and really clean onto that stuff and really enjoy it. And then the stuff that I don't like that much. I can identify that and not be that upset with it. So I'm alternate -ly alternately, fine. My life will go on. And I am. I'm really excited to dig into a lot of these things you very much. I wonder did the game of thrones fan base in a lot of ways us up a lot of backlash. On the way to this point. And I feel like that a lot of the reactions to the finale itself were a little bit blunted as opposed to the reactions to earlier episodes, specifically last week's episode. Yeah. I think I think the bells was really the indicator of the kind of the tone in which this show was that was after after watching deniro star, Gary and ravaged king's landing, you had a real sense of like the taste that game of thrones just going to leave in your mouth. And it happens to taste a lot like ask for some people, the joy turning to ashes Tyrian ones warned and I think by the time that you got to the Bonaly and through the finale, once we saw exactly where everything was going to land. There wasn't really much that was going to push us. One way or the other away from. However, we reacted to the penultimate episode much like the way game of thrones often has played over the years where the penalty. Episode of a season really gives you that final punctuation Mark of, of the ideas behind a season and then that season finale lets you kind of wallow in it a little bit more before you go into the long offseason of wallowing further. So I feel like the that sort of that rhythm was recaptured here in the finale, and certainly going through the feedback that we've gotten for this episode, there's some people who actively disliked it, but not like not like in any kind of massively intense way. At least I mean hard to hard to divine tone from from written emails, but it seems a lot more of people who are either shrugging their shoulders, or people who are just like kind of exhausted by how they feel about the show if they're feeling negatively about it. So I think that there is some level of resignation coming into the finale for the people who were not enjoying the final season. So that by the time that the final episode aired and if you didn't like it at that. You you're kind of you're kind of braced for that. You were kind of expecting it. Okay. We're going to get into answering your feedback questions here today. But first, let me take a moment, and thank one of our sponsors. 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And you don't have to clog up your house with all the with all of the various single issues, which can really stack up as, as I have learned over the years, the digital archives are really, really helpful environmentally friendly environmentally friendly and you're able to sneak your comic book reading habit on decide if you don't want anybody else to know about it. So, yeah. I'm I'm on comics allergy every Wednesday. When I have my new subscriptions for like, Walking Dead comes in a lot of my man, Brian cave von. He's got paper girls that's about to be wrapping up pretty soon. But I wasn't aware of a game of thrones comic book and now I am and I'm doing some light research into it. And it seems it's pretty exciting. I'm very happy about this. Yeah. Comics allergy is an app for your smart devices. They've got the website too. Here's how it works. You buy from their selection of over one hundred thousand comics graphic novels and Mangga. Am I saying that right? 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Well, I mean, just just to kind of get into some of the reactions to the finale like this was one of the harshest reactions to the finale that I am countered by going through the feedback we received it's from Andrew from Minneapolis who's sites. Another podcast or in the RHA family Andrew from Andrew from Minneapolis writes, no offense to Taryn Armstrong, but was this, the plain yogurt version of the finale after seven plus seasons of fantastic way reform moments this Bonaly was just okay. Kinda like lane yogurt even though I am not a big brother person. I am aware of Taron loving the plain yogurt being a big fan of a yogurt with nothing mixed in. Which is, which is, you know, that's the thing I the city's rob, which is the Icelandic yogurt. And I get the kind what has I get the kind that has just a touch of home? It's the skull Figgis cities. Yeah. Say geeze or, or as I like to pronounce it around my household cigarettes. It's s I s. Is very good. It's very creamy. It's got some great mouth field the yogurt. It's a very reliable breakfast in the morning. And I, I sometimes we'll get the fruit flavored cigarettes or cities. However, you'd prefer to pronounce it. They would love this in the north German giant Spain would be a huge fan if this yogurt commercial, this is not. No, no sponsor. No, no roots. Chris advertising here either. But I gave it like I get the kind that has a touch of Honey. And it is just like barely flavorful. And I feel like that was kind of that was kind of I would add, I would add a pinch of Honey to this plain yogurt finale. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I get that. I mean the generis being killed the headline is evocative, but I think that most of us kind of presumed that this had to happen based on events from last week. I enjoyed the first half of the episode more and then brand becoming the king was definitely a bit of a blindside, except if you follow the Vegas or the offshore betting that was on. Yeah. Would sit on the iron throne which kind of picking up some heat in the last couple of weeks leading up to this, too. And I was like, what's that, all about a year ago that they were podcast talking about how this is weird brand is such a that's, that's wacky. No way that's happening. And then and then the ending very happy ending for game of thrones in Ramsay Bolton once upon time said, oh, you don't think this is going to have a happy ending do you and it certainly didn't for deniers, it didn't for the people of king's landing, but I mean for the, the rest of the other heroes. You know, pretty pretty happy ending for Tyrian Starks. Yeah. Well, we'll test that we'll test that notion the deeper. We get into the into the feedback. I wanted to I wanted to pull out one of the takes that we got we got a lot of people who wrote in just with, like, long sprawling commentary about what they liked what they didn't like him at the finale. I really appreciate you guys sending that in which can't read all of it. On the air. But I thought that this one was was an appropriate length and really speaks at least a two how I'm mostly feeling about the finale. I'll gauge your reaction to this after. I read it, rob. This is from the great, Derek, blaze, who wrote in Derek wrote in and said, I wanted to write in, because I feel like my take isn't represented much in the masses. I'm not mad at how the show ended and I'm not over the top thrilled either the way, I would describe it after reflection is I'm at peace with how the show has ended. I wish we would have had a full season to truly finish this show off. Right. But other than that, I don't really have any qualms with how things ended. Yes, some of the characters were sped up a lot. But the arts overall feel pretty earned to me. I honestly enjoy the ending for how stark a great deal because aria brand Sansa and John have had such different journeys, and they were all apart for most of the series. So is it really that far fetched that they would all be apart again at the end, this is what they know it's being on their own journey? And while Johns may upset people the most at the end of the day John never really wanted to rule. John started the show is someone cast aside in his family, and while they love him and while they love him more now than ever, it's fitting for his journey to come full circle, and that he'd be on his own again. Not ruling anything and just hanging out with dormant beyond the wall and some buddy cop adventure. So I guess at the end, I'm not really asking much of anything. I'm just writing mainly to say, I think it's okay to be at peace with this ending, and then I hope you both and anyone else out there can reach this same place. Even if it takes people a little longer, that's from Derek, lays what say, you rob of house Esther Nino? Rob the broken are you are you feeling are you feeling I think I'm probably more of the broken of the two of us these days. How are you feeling peaceful about game of thrones? Are you are you able to reach that place yet? Or will that come later? Yeah. I think I'm definitely at peace about the. The game of thrones finale, I was looking forward to getting to this point, because it was a fun ride to get here that, then the, the final season certainly you've raised some some problems that we have discussed at length. But you know that. You know, I, I don't think that this was a finale that you end up being, you know, angry with her upset with. I think it was just some of the bumps along the way. Yeah. I think I think so. I mean, well, I think it really depends on, like how firmly of an issue, you took with the Darris turn, like, if that was like an unforgivable sin, then I think you're gonna loathe the finale, and I think that game of thrones is going to end up leaving a really sour taste in your mouth. And I and I understand that because I think it does alternately make some sense, and I and I get what they were going for with the deniers turn. I think that there's a lot in there that they could have done a lot better to really get you on board with that and more, so and it's a new headline that we can talk about this week. And we'll, we'll talk about it the further on. We get into this is, is brand ending the show as the king of the not seven, but now, six kingdoms is that one really feels like it comes out of nowhere to me that tracks a lot better from the perspective of the books and tracts fairly terribly from the perspective of the show is as much as I love Isaac Hempstead Wright, don't get married. Guy guy, solid guy, solid guy. But but, but I think that the show could have done. A lot better of a job at getting us on board with that ending. And I think that there is a fascinating amount of innards to pull out of the beasts that storytelling decision. I think there's a lot, and then we get into that. Sure. Let's see, I'm gonna have to reformat, by the way that I have the feedback organized, but I'm happy to get into that right now. -absolutely. Yeah. Okay. Can I give you the I don't know? We have this as a feedback question, but let me mention do it. Yeah. For sure. Is it this? What was the point of drogue on melting the iron throne if but ten minutes later brand is going to be named the king. Right. So we did get a version of that question. We got this from Jordan Smith. Who said what's the purpose of the iron throne being melted? Obviously it had some huge symbolism. I'll be at way, too, on the nose, but they go ahead and just elect a new king right after. Who cares? If the throne is gone, if there's still a king it reminds you that the last Jedi, when we had so much built up to the Jedi temple being destroyed and finally getting rid of the old ways just to find out race stole the books. They subverted themselves. Yeah. I know that Danny wanting to break the wheel you felt like okay we'll drogue on drugs, like, well you know what? Drove on his so smart because drug on says, look that denarius is dead. And if it was because of this infernal thrown, I'm taking it out on youth thrown. Even though I was the one that actually torch the entire city was actually me drogue on, and I feel badly about, but the throne made me do it take this wrong with you. Right. I, I love the people who there is a great cartoon that I saw making the rounds online of what drogue on imagined. It looked like when did ARIS died because he's not there. He doesn't witness it happening in the cartoon like posits, like an angry sentient iron throne stabbed her because it has all of the pointy sharp aspects of it. It's a drug on things like you couldn't have been John. Yeah. Shit. Yeah. He's guy smells good in this spiky chair. That's it. That's a solid interpretation. I think one of the things that for me what will make me feel like more at peace with, with an when I am counter in episode of TV that I've had a lot emotionally invested in and it just doesn't go the way that I want it to go if it leaves me any room for an alternate interpretation. I'll always scoop that up. Like if you're really mad or baffled by y drogue on would melt the iron throne. I love that interpretation of that just like in his drug on drag and brain is like, oh you iron thrown killed, my mother. He gets instant vengeance. So at least he doesn't have to go off on some quests like plotting his revenge. He's already gotten it. Now, he just has to mourn, his mother or bring deniro to a red priest bring her back to life. But back to brand, the new ruler of west roasts after the iron throne is is gone. So there was there was an article that was posted to the ringer dot com and it's by Danny hyphen, it's and it's called evil or incompetent the brand stark edition, and I guess this to interpretations of the brand stark of becoming the king was he? Either a an evil genius a true, little finger who ended up becoming the king and taking advantage of the chaos that unfolded that he had to of known about based on our understanding of his powers or be was he blisteringly incompetent where then he didn't really think this through how this was all going to play out. And this was just like a Forrest Gump type series of events that ultimately left him in this very powerful position. Yeah. We got a lot on that as well. This is from Aaron the air of house, Brooks Sirs Zack's, younger brother, Aaron wrote in and said, I just refuse to accept the conclusion is, as happy as it appears on the surface, I think brand was not on the. Throne, but rather, the three eyed raven was you keep saying, I'm not brand anymore with the prequel series already being announced as the long night, could it be possible that the big reveal is that the three eyed raven is actually evil and reconnect July's is how view the ending of the main series? Maybe each reveal brand made into whom was his way of rigging the game and ending up in control from telling theon. He's a good guy, but he just needed the under by them, a little more time to tell Sam to the smirk at the end. Ramsey said it best. If you think this story has a happy ending, you have paying attention, and my way off your brother says that's giving DND too much credit but it's just feels to clean into happy as you say rob, you're pointing to the ringer article as sir Aaron is writing into us, and as many others have had their takes on yawn. Internet's your bronze yon internet's there. Seems to be a lot of people. Who are fielding the possibility that this was a dark ending? And it's like an evil king and brand like saw this coming all the way through. And I mean, he does have that line to Tyrian when Tyrian says, I know you don't want it. But if we give it to you, you take it and ran says, why do you think I came out this way? And that certainly we've questioned along the way can brands see the future or not, unless he was just like very intuitive. He saw adrenaline sign over winter fell in one of his prophecies. He saw over case Landy. Yeah. So you get the sense that he probably sees things kinds of probably saw himself on the iron throne. And so maybe there's just like an element of this is just the way it's supposed to go, and I can't change anything. And that's the lesson. He earns from the Hoed or thing I don't know. I think that the show. Did a very very bad job with the brand storyline. Yeah. The for a wide variety of reasons, so so Georgia are Martin wrote a blog post over the past couple of days talking about how game of thrones is over and Zoema God, I can't believe it. You know, it seems like it wasn't wasn't. But yesterday that I was taking lunch with, David Dan, and they told me who they thought Johnston's mother was, and I gave them to know that. I mean you couldn't tell this story without any without any other way. And he's he was just like kind of reminiscent. And then he said as for me, I'm still I'm still working on the books still happening. I know better than to tell you, when they're coming, but they're coming, and he says, and people were asking me is that how it's going to end. And the answer is yes. And no. And yes, and no. And yes and no some version of that I'm not reading from the blog. But I'm pretty sure I read it, though. And so with that in mind, like there's certain things that happened here in, in the show's telling events that I am sure are going to happen in the books, telling events, I think that there are certain ways in which characters storylines wrap up that will be. We'll be very very, very close. If not exact denarius sacking king's landing, and very violent fashion. I am certain that that is what George Martin is building toward, including the immediate aftermath of that being her death, whether that's at Jon snow's hands or not it feels like it would probably have to go to John snow because that's such a big character note for John as well. But those two characters have yet to cross over in the book, so who really knows? John is actually still dead in the book. So who knows what they're going to do with John snow Johnson being an exile in some capacity that makes them sense to me, Santa Queen of the north that makes sense to me, Arias story makes a lot of sense to me, as far as where that's going to go. And brand's story makes a ton of sense to me from the perspective of George Martin, who has said when he created a game of thrones in nine hundred ninety six and he started dreaming about it a couple of years earlier at the first scene that he envisioned involve a young boy, in this fantasy world watching his father execute this man for the. Kings Justice and then finding dire wolves in the woods shortly thereafter. That was the first scene at popped into George r r Martin's head. And I'm sure that the part that he has left unsaid, the part that he is a mid from that initial vision is end of that boy would become king day. You can you could imagine. If you're reading his books, that this is the story of a man of young young boy who breaks who falls who loses everything and goes on this meteoric improbable rise to becoming the most powerful and important and good person in all the land. And I think that, that would lay really, really well in his version of events, we missed an into higher seasonal with brands stark may left about for a whole freaking season. We got Dohrn in season vibe, and we could have had like three eyed raven tree, a visions with brand learning about what it meant to rule in west rose. Seeing tar Garin history, providing a, some roadmap for, for the madness of tar guarantees, and getting giving us a story line that could have not only fueled brands eventual worthiness to rule. But also could've you old the, the eventual final turn of generis tar Garin, but there's even stuff beyond that, that just never really worked with brand. I remember back our first ever thrown which if you're a newish listener to the game of thrones podcasts, we do here on Poche recaps is the season ending award ceremony that, Robin, I will do at the end of any given season of game of thrones. And we had I forget the name of the award off the top of my head. But one of the awards was which story line are you most looking forward to in the next season? And this was before we knew that brand would not be in the next season, and brand story line tracked, dead last, and so that was at the point that he had reached the cave of the three eyed raven. So at that point, the show already just was with being fairly. Hard with their adaptation of brand, you get to season six when he finally comes back. He's, he's gleaning all this information all of these powers from the three eyed raven. It's supercharging his body at supercharging his brain by the end of the season. He gets that reveal that Jon snow was born of Liana stark. And when he has that final moment when Benjamin leaves and they're really close to the wall. And he's still with Mira and Meera saying, hey, are you sure you really want to Jack into the where would tree right now and brands like I'm the three eyed raven now at God to do it? And it's he says it would like the same emotion of himself being brand start. And this is after he's already gotten the supreme download the next time we see brand in the season seven premiere he's like a completely different person like he's a lot more robotic at that point. This is when the when the series has has made the active decision both between the creators, and is a comes at right that he's going to play him with a lot less emotion. He's going to be playing him as though he's not really brand stark any. More. But why would you lead us down that path? If the ultimate story is that brand stark is going to be the king of the realm. We have to be able to invest in that guy. You're, you're actively asking us not to invest in the three eyed raven beyond the fact that he's a plot device. And that's what you're gonna install on the iron throne. It's just a terrible idea, and it's it's terribly terribly executed. And I think that speaks to my big issue with the final seasons. I don't mind where a lot of these characters have landed. But the way in which we got to some of these landings is really mind boggling in some cases, and really spectacularly mind boggling these brand is the king, the only thing that would make sense, is that brand had nefarious intentions that there's a game. I like the play where I try to imagine what is the worst possible motive that somebody could have, what are their worst intentions? And then I ask myself, did their action. Make sense. If that was their motivation. And in the case of brand, I'm forced to say, yes. Yeah. I mean you can view it that way. Certainly, if it makes you sleep better at night. I think the real answers that they just done screwed up. I think that, that is not what they intended. I think that this alternate interpretation ends up making things make a lot more sense of, like you know why, why didn't brands stop the expedition to go north of the wall to bring back a Walker to bring it to sir writers, these not is it on board with this operation, she's tricking them, and they end up spending a lot of manpower. We lose we lose a dragon in this whole thing. I mean other than if brand needed the denarius to ultimately lose to dragons, and so she would be able to be closer to being defeated, and then ultimately were John is able to take her out. I think that the show just did a really sloppy job of explaining brands powers. So we don't really know like because he can see the future. Is that predestined stuff and he can't change any of it? So I if he sees beyond great joy die. Can he not stop the? Andre joy from dying if you sees John and everybody going north of the wall, and the night, king kills the dragon, can they not stop killing the dragon, and I it, would it would help explain why brand is so spectacularly zen throughout so much of this stuff, because he just knows that this is what's going to happen anyway. And so, maybe like he when he talks to Tyrian by the fireside and says, I mostly live in the past now, maybe that's because he's like 'cause I see the spoilers for the future. Like I gotta stop seeing that stuff because like, I'm just like, I'm just I have to reconcile with the fact that I'm a pretty bad guy for letting off this stuff adding. But I think that the show just did a pretty poor job of setting us up and explaining what a lot of that stuff was. And I just think that there's a lot of masters behind that bad decision, like I think that there's, you know, I think it's principally the writing of the show. But I think that this is also another side effect of not having the books being available and. Being able to follow that road map to you gotta late that at the feet of Georgia are Martin. So yeah, there's there's there's just a lot a lot there. And I think that in the context of the show, you know, there's. Aaron Rodgers who even who who's a name now that I know. Who's out on on Twitter giving like the press conference and saying, like, was that a satisfying ending? No, no, no. Because I was be. You know, it was it was hysterical of from the, from the context of the show viewer from the context of the person who hasn't read the book, of course, brand being the king isn't going to make sense. As Aaron Rodgers list out, every other character had a better story. So interior is giving the speech about what, what brings people together stories stories do. And then he lays it at brand, broken, which is such an insulting name to begin with that, everyone just seems to be on board with it feels like it comes out of nowhere. And this would have been one of those moments where like maybe zig where game where we're Georgia are Martin is planning zag, like, maybe go, a totally different route, except I think that George Martin has this has this feeling where like he doesn't want the show to beat him, which is obviously, it's already done at this point was, but was inevitable at a certain point doesn't want the show to beat him in the telling of his tail but also does. Doesn't like it. When they like veer, too wildly from what it is. He's planning. So if his plan is that brand stark is going to be the king, even though experience of just watching game of thrones and putting a song of ice. And fire completely aside, leaves you with a really weird reaction to brand being the guy to be the king. That's the story that he's telling so I feel like there's just a lot of fudgy nece behind the curtain on this call, and it or is out in this way that just washes over people in kind of fairly, stinky fat guy, Josh. Let's, let's do the rewrite. Okay. So. Benny often Weiss bring us into a punch-up that final half hour. Okay. And now we have the ability if it's not brand who ultimately rules, west roasts, Sansa stark with a boat Sanson, easy fees from the north. However, she wants to do it. She doesn't know she, she becomes the ruler of west rose from king's landing. She's the Queen of the realm. The seven kingdoms there's none of this. Well we're going to split off now. Winter fell chief. They'll figure that out. You can you can you can leave brand there or however you want to figure it out. But Sansa has the best story of anyone to rule that's literally been her entire story line. It's why they break the north off as its own separate kingdom so they can have this Queen in the north thing. Maybe they can move the capital of the kingdom to winter fell if they want to do that, because king's landing is in disrepair, at this point anyway, if you want to do it that way, that's totally fine. But Santa's entire arc was building to her learning how to how to rule and what it really means to be in that position. And that's how they end her character anyway, and she has an incredibly compelling story to do that, with all the people that, are there at that small council. At the end or, or the great cat council. She's definitely the pick. It's totally. That was hysterical. I cannot believe that they dedicated a full minute and a half of the finale de Dolly is amazing. Uncle sit down has become a mean that was so great. Yeah. That was so funny. That was really, really great. There's it's, it's like things like that, which is why I can't be like laterally mad at the finale, because there is still like, really funny punch lines, there's tremendous acting across the board in just about every single performer. That was sit down was one when they're when they're voting for brand, and they get to Davos goes, I'm not sure if I have, but I was unbelievable that killed me. Sansa rightly who else who else is it, it's not brand? I didn't understand why Sansa and the north had to succeed. If brand is the king. Yeah. It's like I won't be able to sell this to the people in winter fell well, because they need to end the series with her as we get that, that's why that's why like way you want a stark to be king, and your seceding. Yeah. To bring it back to some feedback. This was from Caitlyn ash, who wrote in and said, Santa, declaring that the north needs to be independent is great and all the rest of the sing the six kingdoms be mad about that. You're telling me that you are a great joy in the new king of Dorn, and everyone else is fine being ruled over by someone else who also happens to be a stark, and they don't also want to be independent. They all said I before they knew independence was on the table. Isn't this part of the argument that kicked this whole show, everyone rebels against the king's landing, and the crown, and we have a million kids running around all over west roast the wheel is back. Back intact. Yeah. Great point. I mean, the sexy sleepy new king of Dohrn. Like I can't believe he, he must be just like on milk at the poppy in that council. Otherwise, he would have just like shot up and be like, yeah. No. That can like if she is leaving, we're leaving to join never even wanted to be part of west rose. They were they were the, the lone holdout for a very long time. So for Santa to like, get the nod of approval to leave the realm and Dohrn not to immediately stand up and be like, hey, hey, that's not cool, and we're going to want that same deal, just like it, doesn't, you know, when you pull it that thread, the whole thing comes apart. Yeah. Making sense. You mean I am in Kendra is probably not going anywhere. Yeah, he's fine. These just like I'm just hoping that nobody remembers that it was didn't Harris who made the Lord of storms in one seems to really cool his deal honored. Yeah, I know. But gets you just like everyone's being really cool. But just let me keep doing this. So I'm just going to a mouth shut and everything was Braun at that meeting. No, he wasn't there, even though he was a Lord of the reach not yet, I think he needed Tyrian Tyrian to be reinforced. Ganji would have been a better story, Kendra was a better story than brand in the books in the books brand is going to be a phenomenal person for this job just to just to put that hat back on some of my some of my very favorite chapters in all of a song of ice and fire are from the perspective of brand my very favorite chapter in office on the bison. Fires from the perspective ran, it's going to be great. That's going to be fantastic in the books that will never exist, the case of the show. Oh, you know, for, for the sake for the sake of the HBO television product, God, man, like they've really, there was just a lot of work that they needed to infuse into that character. And they just didn't do it. And I wonder too, like, when, when they finally had that sit down because it sounds like there was like an inevitable sit down between Benny often Weiss and George Martin. At some point in the last couple of years, when it became clear that the shows are going to wrap up before the books, ended, and was it in that meeting that they found out that brand was going to end up being the king. And if that's the case they reached a point where they're like, oh, God. We've done a bad job with brand. Like how do we fix this? And maybe they just look at each other. And we don't we just keep going. Maybe ends the way that it ends. So I don't know. That's why you know, cut that Tonton open and sleep in it. I feel like there's a lot in here. There's a lot is that because they're making Star Wars. Movies. Yes. Yes. That would also at Aaron Rodgers. Of his press conference. It's like I don't know. I guess he also had a cameo him. I didn't even know that. But he says, at the is like I think I was very happy that they let me onset for gave a throat. So I think. Right. Or a Star Wars that they wanted to make instead God, that was a deeply honest confession from that, man. That was hysterical. Anyway, we could talk about Brian forever. I just very quickly from Steve Davis. The prolific Steve Davis says my biggest question is everybody criticises, Robert and Joffrey for never attending a small council meeting, and then they elected this nuking brand, and he shows up for thirty seconds, only to duck out to look for a dragon, don't they have an entire city and kingdom to rebuild. So already rob. All that was before shall be again. Yeah. History is repeating itself with this really just like the ultimate power play by Tyrian to have a brand who is like more than fifty percent checked out of this job before he even gets it as the king. And really that this is now Tyrian Lancaster running the seven kingdoms. Maybe maybe I mean, though it sounded like he really didn't want to do it. He sounds like he really didn't want to do this job so Tyrians seeking to do loves this job. He does love this stuff. He does you see seems to be into it. Seem like he was really suffering when he was going back to the brothel jokes to close out the show. Yeah, I can't believe it didn't get the punch line. What bummer? Definitely a bummer. Definitely a bummer. All right. Let me go ahead. And thank our other sponsor for this episode of the game of thrones feedback show and they've been with us all season long for season a blue diamond almonds, if we watch game of thrones and we were tired of the same boring snacks. So let me tell you winter was here, and so is the perfect snack. It's blue diamond almonds, whether you were going to work bored, at work, or leaving work these almonds are and where the perfect snack for this entire season. Eight Honey roasted flavored almonds, Saracho flavored almonds with Sabi and soy sauce, flavored almonds, Josh. Why keep snacking on boring chips years? It'd be the three I raven to know that blue diamond almonds of the way to go. You can go to the store and pick up some blue diamond almonds right now did brand no, the whole time that blue diamond. With the perfect snack. Why do you think I ate all these them? Yeah. Whatever the moment blue diamond almonds is the perfect snack. Don't deny your cravings go pick up some great flavors right now and eat them blue diamond almonds crave. Victoriously and thanks to blue diamond almonds for being a sponsor with us all through season. Eight of game of thrones. Okay. Josh what's next? What's next, let's wrap up the branding really quickly. I want I want to just to devil's advocate it. And just like this is like in principle. Why I'm not mad at brand as, as the king, especially in the context of where it could eventually go if it ever goes in Georgia Martin's material, but from the column that is it comes dead. Right. I just wanna I wanna shout out his Hempstead wrote. Yes. I said wrote the following words defending the ending. He says, at the beginning of the show brand is a disabled ten-year-old with slim chances of surviving in this harsh universe. You will never be the warrior who comes in on horseback and saves the day. But he is resilient. He survives attempted murder more times than I can count. He journeys with only a handful of other people to one of the most dangerous in northerly points on the map, and he returns, one of the most powerful characters in west rose. I find it an extraordinary character arc to see him go from vulnerable. Character totally dependent on others. To the one person who holds all the keys to understanding the world. Brand becoming king is a victory for the still and considered people of this world. Who too often get sidelined by the commotion of those who are louder and more reactionary? He doesn't shout to make himself heard, but instead weights, and chooses his words and actions, very carefully in that I think brand presents a valuable reminder to all of us in this day and age where sensationalism is rife and anybody can voice an opinion to millions to sit and consider things a little more carefully in terms of the messaging that, like that, like that. A lot sure thing that I think that the show could have sat and considered how they were going to sell off this a little bit better. I don't mind like the point. I don't mind what they're saying the medically, I think all of that is fantastic, which you're making a show here. And there are some there was some, some work there that needed to be done. Yeah. Anyway, anyway, sorry. Sorry, john. And let's talk. Let's talk a little bit about about John and deniro's Inessa, an Esa had written. And she posited, something that could have been could have been fun to see in the finale and Esa rights. They should've had Danny's dying words be cars and had drogue on torch John and have a few people watch as witnesses as John is impervious to flames, which knowledge is he's ATar, Garin, and all these witnesses start to kneel, like, oh, he's our Kane, and then have them recused himself to the night's watch like Maistre Ayman did as a way to break the wheel, at least half the secret come out so people know make it meaningful in half. Say no it's not about bloodlines. Let's break the wheel something like that. What do you think rob did, we need something like that, to pay off, John as Turk, Gary into truly rake, the wheel van that would've been really cool? I like. Like that. He has been burned in the past as part of the problem. One grabbed a hot thing when the whites were trying to kill Lord commander bore Mont earned his hand hot thing. And again, seems came and thrones. This forgotten some stuff along the way we've had Dario Horace looking completely different from one season to the next. I think we could we could have ignored the hand on the mug in him, just like getting a whiff of dragon fire to the face. When I would've I could have been fine. Write our own AJ mass. A great friend of all things post show, recaps that he also had a different pitch about how that he would have liked to have seen Danny also stab, Jon snow. Yeah. And that would be the end of John's. No, what happens to dinars. How do we are that out? This is what he had tweeted the other day that he wanted to have Danny be the one who stabbed John killing him. And then the he'll turn was fully complete. And then aria could emerge from the shadows to kill Danny's. Well, saving the world as she does. I, I feel like that John. Are you can't just keep emerging for the shadows to kill everyone? That's what she does. He just use that, shrink every single time someone needs to be killed. Yeah. Once is enough once works. Yeah. You know what's the season? I just, I don't know how John is able to get away from killing generis and live. Yeah. Dr Mike was really hung up on that. You saw it will use it. Oh, gee game of thrones fan, he's a huge fan, a song of ice and fire from from long ago. One of the very first things he and I ever talked about on a Jian beach long ago, I missed Fiji for this serious. Okay. Anyway, anyway, this is from Maistre Mike who wrote on Twitter. It's bothering me. How did any? It starts like that. It's bothering me. How did anyone know John stab, Danny? How did he not get promptly executed for this who arrested him? How did it go down? Did the north men fight the unsullied or death Raqi? Hashtag game of thrones at Ron Howard. Mike is bothered. He's bothered by this it. I mean, I have a hard time wrapping my head around how I mean. So grey worm is out there just slitting throats of Lancaster soldiers, and then I guess it gets brought to his attention, so Jon snow, apparently, has the SAS native generis and grey worms. Like, all right. Lock them up. Yeah. Throw them in with Tyrian. Well, you seem pretty emotionally balanced the last, we had seen grey worm. So I felt like a very measured response. You pull these threads there. Slitting throats in the street. All right. Well throw jail was, we have to wait for the town soul to make decision on this? We had one of my favorite pieces that's on HR dot com slash game of thrones. Right now is one that I had nothing to do with in. It is by a guy named Chris broher or brower. Perhaps it was a friend of one of the editors at the Hollywood reporter who had previously written. He had never seen a marvel movie before. And he went and saw vendors endgame and wrote of review of vendors endgame from the respective of somebody who had no idea what was going on. And he did the same thing or the game of thrones series finale, which is it was tremendous for some reason he decided Arias Starks name was Kate, and had a lot of other fund misspellings. And confusions like thinking slavers bay was called flavors bay. And the best take I thought that he had was he didn't understand why Tyrian, Lancaster and John snow were being imprisoned in these very large rooms so much fancy. Pottery. Go back and you look there's a lot of fancy pottery in their jail cells. Yeah. Okay. I don't know. And as you go look that up if you just like. The perspective of influence. He black cells took a lot of damage. Van took a hit hit p g had written in and said, okay, admittedly, I'm not a writer and shouldn't be criticizing game of thrones writers. But which I'll just interrupt to say you don't have to be a writer to criticize writer. You're interacting with the story. Let, let us know anything PG writes in and says, I think they missed the Mark by not having John and grey worm fight Raigmore could've attacked John at the docks. Ario could swooped in wearing another base and saved John last forty five minutes needed some action. Maybe they were setting up spinoffs the middle ages were violent time in this series ended with a whimper you feel like the series finale was missing an action scene, rob. Whether it was what Pete is sketching out, which I feel like that feels a little too Hollywood for me that grey worm shows up in the last twenty minutes to, to come in and have a big fight with John feels. Like you're giving too much power to grey worm in that moment. But is there something that could have happened earlier in the episode may be? Or is there something that you could have seen even late in the episode that would have worked well for you? Like some sort of super flash forward to the very end of John snow's life beyond the wall, and he encounters of bear in the woods, and he fights it, and there's some narrative about how the bad killed him in those woods beyond the wall. And it's like legends of the fall and Jon snow is Brad Pitt? And this is me spoiling the end of legends of the fall. I kind of thought that John snow was going to be like, assassinated as they were moving him through, like I kind of felt like that, there would be some like the grey worm was never gonna let him get away. And go to this witness protection program or roemer this get to the wall. So I was surprised I wouldn't say that it was it was missing it. But I was surprised that there was nothing else action related in this epilogue. How about this spur Johnson? This is from Richard Jones, who writes in, and says, do you think that John was leaving castle black for good in the end to move beyond the wall, like manse, raider, did, and was he telling Tyrian his plans, when he said, I suppose this is the last time we'll see each other. Do you think that John was just going for a stroll in ranging with all these other people at the wall? Or do you think he was leaving the wall for what, what? Do you think because that I thought that when I watched it on Sunday night that he was just ranging? But I do think that, you know, my reputation has changed to now say that he's like what what night's watch? There's no night's watch. Right. Like I'm out of here and wasn't going to get involved with that. But what was it open ended? Or do you feel like that? There was a ended but it's open ended but my interpretation is that John is leaving for he's leaving west rose forever and he is going to the true north. The real north is torment said to him a couple episodes, back, just like the one place where he where he felt truly alive. Even when he was lying to everybody else. It's where he fell in love with the grid. You know, he, he really felt that that power of that place. And like you even go back and watch some of those scenes in beyond the wall of the good stuff from the on the wall in season. Seven the pre crazy action in just a lot of those conversations. And. Like even they're like the scene were John is walking with Barrick. And there's just like kind of like they're talking about really heavy stuff. There's just a way in which aid that the realm beyond the Wallace shot that makes it look other worldly that makes it look, so beautiful and makes you understand why torment and the rest of the free folk loved it there when they weren't being terrorized by white walkers. And there's just even like a look of calm on kit Harrington as he's playing Jon snow like kind of like the sense of being home and one of the things that I really like about where they landed with John is by by nature by birth. He is the heir to the iron throne. He is both stark and tar Garin but he has no point of reference for what it means to be a target area. And what it means to be the ruler of west rose, that is that is, like, eleventh-hour information. And that's even probably not as late as it comes. It's really last minute stuff. This is. Not anything that he ever ever wanted her ever, even imagined for himself by, by nurture and even partly by nature because of his mother, he's a northerner, and I think that he is somebody who didn't who didn't want any of this stuff, but he does earn something along the way. And what he earns along the way is, you know, he's not only, you know, he doesn't know whether or not he saved all west rose. He's still debating it with Tyrian by the end of the show saying was it, right? What we did. It doesn't feel right. So he doesn't even feel great about what he did killing generis, but there is no doubt in his mind that what he did bringing the Wilding south and saving them. And giving them a safe home while the white walkers were trying to kill everybody, and even though he doesn't kill the night, king. He creates the circumstances that allow the right people to be in the right place at the right time to defeat the night, King John, at least ends up saving this entire kingdom beyond the wall. And we know that the way that the free. Folk work is they select their king. They, they picked their roar. You know, it's not somebody who just was born into it at somebody who earns the respect of people, and so that final shot of John ranging out into the unknown with a nation at his side is really powerful. And in that way, I think, John snow does end the series as a king. He ends as the king beyond the wall. And it's the crown that he earned it's not the crown he was born with. And I think that's really cool. I think that they in the in the final minutes of the show, I think that they did a really good job. John snow? Why was torments still at castle? Black waiting for his bro. You knew but did like Sansa backchannel with him. He's he said it in episode four when he was about to leave. He's like we're all gonna we're gonna go chill, a castle black once the winter calms down a little bit, then we're going to go back north, but we're gonna we're gonna take a breath because that was also crazy. So we're just try to gather our wits before we go out. So by the time John's back maybe winters chilling. Out a little bit. And I mean, you do get that, at the very end of the of the show, and he's going beyond the wall, you see very close to the wall. There's a little, there's a little tuft of grass or there's a little plant that's starting to grow out from the snow. So the winter is starting to be a little less severe as they are, as they are ranging to the great unknown. I like that. I thought that was good. I hear. Arya stark. We have questions at aria. We have a nessa once again saying, are you could have just asked? You're on Yara or any of the iron born. What's west of west rose? I'm sure Arias is not the first person house on a book. On a year is she's the I probably could have ask brand as well. Zack brook said written in and said, was Arias, ending a flashing neon sign for the aria spinoff show. And would you prefer that we call it west of Westworld or aria, the explorer, neither those cute? We're also not going to get the show, the great Lesley Goldberg, my editor at the Hollywood order, had an interview with Casey blows HBO programming president in which you very severely, thumbs down to the notion of any game of thrones, sequels, still all in on the prequel side of everything. And apparently the reasoning being that he, he wants to, to let this lie this, this piece of art David benefa- in. You don't mess with, you know, don't mess. Don't mess with perfection. Right. The exact quote is. Leslie asks him to three successor shows are all prequels in the finale, aria goes on to explore what's west of west rose. Have you considered exploring sequels, specifically are stark, as she travels west of west rose, and Casey boys responded by saying, Nope? Nope, Nope, no. Art of it is I do want this show. This game of thrones Dan, and David's show to be its own thing. I don't wanna take characters from this world that they did beautifully and put them off into another world with someone else creating it. I want to let it be this artistic piece that they've got. That's one of the reasons why I'm not trying to do the same show over George as a massive massive world. There's so many ways in that's why we're trying to do things that feel distinct end to not try and redo the same show. That's probably one of the reasons why right now a sequel or picking up any of the other characters doesn't make sense for us. So gave it there. Instead end. Rob, in a way, that was a lot more open ended for many of these characters than I think I or many other people exp. Effected do you take this line as gospel that we will never see a sequel set in the world of game of thrones bottling? Some of the characters who survived these events thing never is a very long time Josh, I don't know if we will see aria stark a pirate explorer ever, as, as a show. But I cannot imagine that with this IP that we will never see any game of thrones that ever takes place after the events of this finale. Yeah. We, we once thought that, you know, we were going to we're going to end with jar jar Binks, bringing about the collapse of the intergalactic, whatever the hell it was called, you know, like, we thought that he was going to be the guy that was responsible for creating the circumstances that led to the original Star Wars trilogy. And revenge of the cynth- was going to be the end and then Disney bought Lucasfilm. And we are on the verge of. Of closing out the new trilogy of Star Wars, never, as you say is a very long time. A lot of the people who are main characters here one game is HBO. They're going to buy everything man, and eventually, they are going to have game of thrones to develop, and they will create more. I mean, the more pressing questions like will we be here as a human species by the time that game of thrones would be ready for the sequel. I think there's some debate about that. But I think assuming that we are still here. There's some of the actors involved in this we are still so young early twenties for for many of them that like some story picks up, when they're forty even like that's that feels very possible to me. It feels very, very possible to me, we might have to wait for it. I'm please. I'm thrilled to wait for it. I would love nothing more than to put this on pause for a little while. That'd be great. That'd be great. Thrones. The dragon awakens. Yes. Yes has been an awakening. Ed be fine with that. That'd be fine with that wasn't my Lord is coming. Was it worth? It wasn't worth. It is the. Kylo Ren Lee's. Good. Was it worth? It is the gist of the same question. We got from a few people along the way. Singly from Matt from Newfoundland, who says was your series rewatch worth it Sammy from a Thousand Oaks. I think it's just Thousand Oaks right? Yeah Avezzano don't know very well. Sammy writes in and says given that this season story. And character development have seemed rushed at times. How do you think the series will play in a rewatch now that we know what happens and where all the characters and up if you had done your game of thrones rewatch after season eight, how do you think that would have influenced your views on the characters plotlines and events of seasons one through seven so rob, you and I we re watched the entirety of game of thrones on weekly basis in about a year and a half from the end of season seven to the start of season, eight, and we didn't have the benefit of knowing that deniro's would go insane and slaughter, a whole bunch of people. So we weren't really watching that along the way we talked about every once in a while. I'm sure but probably not too seriously. Did we do the rewatch wrong? Do we have to do it again? Then we don't have to do it again. Thank you again. Thank you. Thank you. You did. We do it wrong. No, I don't think so that there was a ton of hype coming into season eight we timed it perfectly to be set up for this. And I think that maybe there might be some temptation now to say she'll be back. She'll be back in watch all them. And maybe it'll make more sense, but we already did that. And I do think that on a rewatch I do think that you probably would end up spending more time on some of The Danny stuff in terms of the lessons that Danny learns a along the way, I think that that's probably the number one thing that you might end up paying more attention to. But I think that the might also be more things that really are more glaring on the rewatch. I would be tempted to do like a Danny rewatch. Of going through a lot at the did Narus material again. If not for the fact that I'd have to go through season two and I won't do it. Yeah, not going back to cars. I'm not saying I'm not looking those warlocks their blue raspberry mouth lips. Ever again. Yeah. Refuse refuse all just have to have to take the shows word for it that they really did a great job at setting everything up. The same question brought one of our listeners to a different question. I think is a good segue. We're starting to look towards the end of this show, Bucko physicians wrote in and said, hey guys, I've been with winter was here since the very beginning rewatching every episode week by week with y'all aside from the twice-yearly marathon and tracking all the things we now know were swept under the rug hope I'm not too late to maybe make the show. Guess what? You're here, buckles question. He says my question to you was going to be something like are you disappointed to have gone through the whole series? So laboriously only for the show leaves so many of our burning questions and answered, but that's lame and mostly rhetorical. As I'm sure there's no regrets on your end sits your gig and all, but this is a. Train of thought that had led me to something better to say, which is what if we don't actually want tidy granular, explanations to the Zora, high, prophecy, the Lord of light, the volun- car at cetera, etc. But we just think we do after all we've been here before DO want Midi, chlorine 's because that's how you get Midi chlorine, how much merit. Do you put in the idea that some things are better left mysterious? Yes. I think that that was explored a quite a bit with the leftovers and let the mystery be. So I do think that you don't necessarily need an answer to all of the prophecy, but where game of thrones. I think really let people down was that we you and I talked about this in, in one of the pike as we did to preview the season of that it's going to be about the character that, that's where the shows that have have succeeded have paid off their, their characters more so than their mystery and prophesy, and we're game of thrones. Really let people down and sees an aide was that they in many people's regards, colossally, let down the character of dinars journey that we were on with her over the course of eight seasons and meeting, some interviews it sounded like. That even a Amelia Clark didn't know exactly where this was going in terms of like the sound design of how this was all treated of all of the scenes where Damaris is burning people. Previously was did. Ev was everybody on board with this because they feel like that. Maybe that the way that those things were presented in the first place, and maybe our expectations were always meant to be subverted. But that I don't know if everybody had the same roadmap for this. Right. Right. And this is something that I had I had wondered about a little bit that I hadn't seen the take anywhere. But the a lot of the music that's associated with generis in the past like, when you get to the end of me in season, three, the season three finale, and she is like being swept up in the masses of all the people at you can KYW and like, they're all celebrating her and they're all. So excited to have been liberated by her, and it was like a very like I it made the rounds that's like a kind of really problematic scene of like the white savior coming in here and like just being like worship like that. And there's this heroin music that is swirling underneath the moment. And I, I don't know if that changes if, if it's something that, like you can do with, with, with the score. That's associated with Danny a lot of like those moments that now in retrospect, are like a little scarier like her killing all of the broth rocky back in season six, it's presented as a very heroic moment. But this is what's presented to us in the finale, Tyrian is basically saying, what the recap IRS were all saying in the week between the bells and the finale of, like, yeah. Well, she killed the broth rocky, and everyone was fine with it because they were evil. But, like, there's like a heroism involved in the presentation of some of that stuff that maybe that could have been curbed a little bit. The point being, you know, meandering as my want is, is that I feel like. People probably weren't exactly on the same page about a lot of this stuff from the writers to the performers to the composer to the sound design people, and that it's just such a juggernaut to herculean task to put game of thrones together that to sync up of these things for what is certainly a very top secret storyline pivot, at the end must have been very, very difficult to the point that it wasn't achieved quite successfully enough for at least a vocal minority, if not a majority of people. I think nessa who obviously had a lot of issues with this final episode in this final season had another piece of feedback that she had written in that I will just read the gist of Jared up shoes. She was very fired up in her her sentiment was essentially at foreshadowing is not character development. And I would agree with that, that just because there's foreshadowing that you can go back and say, oh, well, her reaction to this era's should should tell us that she's a little bit off in that. She has the capacity to really go off on king's landing. There's still the matter of characterization, and that's where, you know, character development lies and I'm broken fricken record about this. The record is broken wheel. Yes. But it's a timing thing that you need you need to have more of a sense of the construction of television television episode, and what that unit means and what you can express in that period of time. And how many of those units, you're going to need in order to adequately express your characters that? Was not adequately explored here in the final season. And maybe tracks with there's a lot of people in the peak TV era. And a lot of the tour's behind some of these, these great shows will often talk about how they're show is actually one very long sprawling movie like game at thrones was was not as Seventy-three episode television series. It was a seventy three ish hour film, which is a horrible way to look at the construction of the show. Don't be ashamed of the fact that you're making television show embrace that you're making a television show in the final season when you look back on it feels like the like we don't see, we don't have the blueprints in front of us. We can't see them, but you can imagine the thought behind them that this is a series of a couple of final movies is the final season. And Benny often Weiss had talked about that in the past that they thought about the final season. It's kind of like a couple of like one and a half. Our chunked movies rather than shows, and they didn't alternately go that way. But in the writing it's like the kind of did. And I think that explains some of the fast forwarding that we got in the final season, Josh, any other feedback questions or thoughts about the game of thrones finale before we wrap up here, today, we had the question from Spencer. Why who says although the last two seasons at the show likely pushed game of thrones off the mount Rushmore of all time TV programs? Is it still safely and firmly? Cemented in the top ten despite how things ended or did seasons seven and eight create a lot more reputational and quality damage than anticipated to push it out of the top ten I recall, Josh mentioning on asking to the podcast that he doesn't even place game thrones among his personal top ten which at the time a really hot take. But now with the show fully unveiled for what it is does that hot take not seeing that hot. And that was not your top ten rankings of all time greatest shows like that does not match up with your top. Ten favorite shows. I don't have one. I've not really sketched that out. But I think what I had said was like my instinct is when I think about, like my top ten favorite shows. I don't think game of thrones is in there. So in terms of the top shows of all time, and some people say that ranking these things is our treasury reductive. So I think that what you cannot ever take away from game of thrones. No matter no matter how you come down on this final season is that in terms of the success of the show in terms of the scope of the show. It's the biggest television show that was ever made in terms of the resources that were used to put it together. The, the people that watch this show on HBO the way that it United the audience, not necessarily in terms of reaction to the show. But in terms of. People that were looking forward to the show. I think it's the last of the great unifying shows in terms of people watching thing at the same time, not on streaming platform on, you watch it on HBO go. But you know what I mean? So in those regards game of thrones will always be a historic juggernaut. So in terms of like was it, one of the all-time, ten best shows, I think that your mileage may vary. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I agree with all that. I think one of the things that this that the final season really cemented for me is. That I have issues with, with some of the writing, and the adaptation process. And I think that the final season of game of thrones highlights and of a cautionary tale in building out TV that you can have the most spectacular effects, the most spectacular acting in the most spectacular production value on the planet. And if you're writing is an airtight, you're going to be in trouble. And like to say that our incident have great writing along the way is, is not fair to game of thrones. There are some scenes even in the final season. But certainly, there are scenes there are, there are full frigging episodes of game of thrones energy, just like pure magic that are just truly truly truly majestic funny, touching awful to watch, but in a in a great way, there's, there's so much of that found throughout the show. I do think that there is a degree of of, of control that the top names on, on the call sheet on the writer side really exercised over game. Owns that. I think that you, you relinquish a little bit. I mean it's funny because I think kind of one of the points that they're expressing in the NF game of thrones is like, the, the need to grab power is what destroys you. That's what happens to deniro's everything for the throne. She's willing to sacrifice everything for the throne. And that's what basically gets killed. And I think that Benny often wise, not loosening up the writer's room a little bit. Not not allowing more voices into that process was probably pretty damaging for the last couple of seasons feeling like they were ready to wrap this thing up when I think that the series really could have benefited from at least an additional seven episodes. If not a little more than that, I think it was a mistake. So those are the biggest issues for this is interesting. This is a fun analogy. So in this analogy the show, creators, been if in Weiss are denarius. Yeah. Is sort of like some like HBO executive like where is the secession plan? What should happen that comes out, no secession few months from now? Yes. Why are you trying to take over from me? No, no. I just wanted to know right? Yeah. I feel like let it go a little let it go a little bit. And I sorry for missing your secession. Yeah. No. It's okay. I'm looking forward to that coming back. Joe Sloan had written in with no body to the to the Email in just a headline. That said, can you use the game of thrones Spinelli to talk about how great the lost Bonaly really was thanks? That was the subject that we got on that Email, which I enjoyed and it took me of very long time to appreciate the loss, Bonaly. I didn't like it very much as I've said numerous times on numerous podcasts. And I recently did a full rewatch the whole show. And I loved it. I loved the final season. I was very happy with everything. So when Tyrian says asked me again in ten years, maybe let's check back with the game of thrones Bonaly and ten years, and maybe it'll it'll improve who is with time. But one of the things you know co creator of lost and one of the. One of really the very key voices creatively, associated with lost his Damon Lindelof who then went on and created the leftovers, which is another one of my very favorite shows and one of the best H B O shows of all time. Just one of the best shows of all time and it starts off. Very, very rocky starts off on shaky ground and somewhere along the way in the first season like midway through that season it starts like really coalesce. And the second season is sublime the third season's tremendous, and that's all the show amounts to an Lindelof. Ed said in interviews that he, he would write the scripts with a vast robust writer's room. And then the actors directors producers consultant producers on sets the editors they would go, and then adapt his scripts, and he wouldn't really see the episodes until they were very close to locked, and that is a tremendous amount of control to relinquish and that requires a lot of risks. And I think that takes somebody who knows what it's like to really cling onto the. Story of something with all your might and refuse to have other outside voices interfere with your process, or at least be welcomed into your process to maybe tell you maybe people aren't going to love this last sorry, you're doing over here. But no, that's your idea, and you're not letting anyone you know, parrot into your ear inn and talk you off the ledge on that. And to have the kind of reaction it happened to show lost you come back on the other side of that. Maybe the lesson learned is to, to let go a little bit more, which is ironically enough the lesson of lost as well. So I think that they're, you know, people are like petitioning and boycotting, and trying to make it so that David Benny off, and Dan wise. Never write a thing ever again, which is his. I mean there's, there's a level of vitriol towards those guys where there are people like, please don't mess up Star Wars. You're gonna kill everything like all of their goodwill seems to have been zapped in a certain corner of the phantom in the same way as happened with. Lindelof. Certainly, and I think that's an insanely extreme reaction. I think that they should take vacation. I think that they should take a meaningful amount of time to just like reenergize and plug back in, and I think that they should learn some lessons from this. I think it would be a real tragedy to not examine some of the reaction to the final season. They can stand by out of the story in a lot of the production craft as much as they want. But I think that they really ought to for the for the benefit of their future projects. I think that they need to examine the reaction a little bit and do a little bit of a postmortem of what they got. Right. And what they got wrong because they absolutely got a lot, right? And they absolutely got stuff wrong. But to say that game of thrones is a wash in that the final season tarnishes the whole experience, really cheapens so much of what was exceptional about this show. Thematically of course, and that's a lot due to writing, but production value and just outstanding acting and outstanding casting just a lot that went so well, and just always always an. Enjoyable thing to discuss and like the friends and the family that you've accumulated along the nearly decade-long adventure of being a part of game of thrones. If you were with it from the very beginning, this doesn't ruin any of that. At least it doesn't for me. And I hope it doesn't you back back to Derek play-set. I hope that you can find peace with it. If you're somebody who is not at peace with this ending, okay. And I think that, that's a good note to start to wrap this up. Final update on the death draft is we tied in the death draft. We both got two people. Right. We both got two people wrong or outstanding deaths heading into the finale. We're John snow and Arya stark. Both of them survive you lost a point on who will on. Who will survive you? You thought deniro's was going to survive the season. She's the only person to die in the final episode. I thought deniro would rule at the end of game of thrones. I was wrong. You said that there would be no iron thrown. I'm gonna all ward you at the point. Technically. You're right. Yeah. Yeah, you're technically correct. Even if brand is in charge. And so we break even so the death draft of the draft is broken. And, and it's a tie dye. Nobody wins. Everyone's unhappy. It's a fair compromise. All right. What about our big bang theory of finding? I'm looking forward to our yon Sheldon. Recaps. All right. Josh wig, ler. Great job, very cathartic, talk with you today about everything for sure very fun. Okay. Of course, you could follow the everything that Josh is doing over a T, HR dot com slash game of thrones. Including Josh wheelers updated every episode of game of thrones ranked. Yeah. That's that's that's up there. Go give that give that a look still doing the occasional interview here and there with people involved in game of thrones half my final chat, at least about the character of Sam. Well, tar with John Bradley that has been posted nice nice to talk to him. One last time we've got that column with Isaac comes at. Right. Recommend that as promised in a previous podcast or threatened, perhaps I did rank all of the major deaths from the final season and just to spoil it. Of course, Maistre Khyber n- takes the top spot. Got it. Got to give them the top spot. There's no better death. Plenty of other stuff, plenty of other stuff in terms of how cool they were. I ranked them just in terms of like how, how good they were, you know, as it was a was it a great death? Was it was it a great end to the character, arc? The parameters are loose. This really more like a feel thing. Like Ray gall, dying was the worst. That was so stupid. It made no sense is clearly just there to move the story along as really, really dumb. And then Harry stricken from the golden company is next because cared about the golden company. Terrible should brought elephants all that hype for nothing awful people, and so on. And so is Harry Strickland, the least game of thrones name of anybody in the series. Harry is a pretty Harry is like the name of a beat detective dot not the leader of a cell sort company. Every like that. Never rent sell swords from Harry Strickland. That's Dexter is dad. That's not the, the head of the golden company. Yeah. All right. There you have it. Of course, thanks to everybody who stayed with us along this journey. Oh, we're gonna throw. We're going to throw it up at some point. Yes. We're going to do to throw owners. We'll have some that sooner or later, I, I need a minute. I would love to take a week off from game of thrones. If that's all right. With everybody. I'd like to just take a step away. At some point in June. We will absolutely have to throw owners. All right, sounds great. Thanks, everybody. So much for listening. Follow Josh wig ler on Twitter. He's at round Howard. I'm at rob sister. You know, take care of any of a good one. I. This episode of post show, recaps was sponsored by our friends over at true car. Every car comes with its share of stories like that thing in your bumper. When you nervously picked up a first date that luxury package, you got after a big promotion or the mileage you say by riding your bike all summer long. 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Survivor 38 Episodes 5 & 6 Wiggle Room with Josh Wigler

Rob Has a Podcast

1:44:28 hr | 1 year ago

Survivor 38 Episodes 5 & 6 Wiggle Room with Josh Wigler

"Take. Josh. Learn. Laura. Ler ler. Yeah. We are back with Josh Wigley in the wiggle room. I found out we could do. That the fifth. One voted out is our Brock. Why? Why? Aubrey, bro. Just fell increase would probably do a mournful version of the typically happy holiday road cover. The unhappy. The. The holidays over. Holiday hangover, so sad to come back to the wiggle room and aubrey's on the edge of extinction. Oh my God. Come on God come on God. But she is out there on the edge. But Josh wig is back with us after a one week is from the wiggle room. Thanks again to Jessica lease for doing a great job in for Josh last week voiding any sort of JT style embarrassment with doing such a great job here. Filling in for you last week. I love Jessica, she did a fantastic job. And I could not be happier. With just as the one of the first made of the good ship. Wanda is definitely something. I am happy with. But. Yeah, back I've like. We've got like three weeks of survivor. It feels like to talk about. It's technically just two weeks. But I miss the episode before. And this was a double header. So it's a lot to catch up on you. And I have not talked since the swap in fact, the last time that we talked we did a post swap who will be the booth draft. And neither of us drafted Rick Devon's in that draft. So it goes to show you how much we have on the with. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We tend to be better when we know the results like on the evolution of strategy. And then we could sound really smart. Like, we knew what we were talking the entire time. We we. What did have prognosticate what will as evidenced by our second chances predictions from the pollution strategy? That being said, Josh so nice to have you back here with us to talk about everything. That's happened. The last three votes. Unbelievable. Yeah. I had a had a spectacular vacation. Really great vacation. This is neither the time nor place to talk to you about it some day, perhaps we shall get into all of that. But I'm thrilled to get back into the edge of extinction. After a double header that. I really thought was was a high point for what has been very strange season. So far continues to be strange to me. But I think definitely pretty easily the best two hours of the show. So far, I agree. So we saw Aubrey go out in the first hour as you mentioned any thoughts on Aubrey going out at this point sad about it, obviously very bummed about it. I love Aubrey. I think she's fantastic. I think she's tremendous player. I think she's an even better person. And so to see her go v was sad. One of those moments where you were happy that the edge of extinction exists because it means more Aubrey on our screens, and she goes home with the idol. She goes home with the extra vote. You can imagine why she wants to hang onto that stuff if she's feeling safe and secure. And I think the only world in which she hangs onto that stuff is the world in which she feels very safe and secure. And that of berry easy vote is coming down the line with getting rid of Wendy, which means I think you really got a tip your cap your beanie as it were primarily Victoria with an assist from Eric and Gavin as well. But especially Victoria, who emerges from this episode as a really strong contender. Somebody who is a really sharp survivor player, and that's really exciting to see. So if somebody is going to take Aubrey out I'm excited that it's it's done in a way that is such a slam dunk blindside because she's such a great player. In order to really catcher unaware with loaded weapons in her pocket. Must mean that you're pretty good survivor player as well. So Victoria, Victoria beyond one to watch for sure is that hey you pronounce it. I have no idea. It's really dog. There's two as and they're together. I don't know how you're bomb on that Obama. And no, I'm not sure how to go. I'll go until corrected otherwise, we'll see. We'll see if we get the correct pronunciation at some point in time. Okay. So then we'll said the return of the combined tribal council you and I spoke at length during game changers about the combined tribal council if I recall correctly, you were pro combined tribal council at that point. So where you pumped up to see it return. I don't know if I would say pumped up to see it return, not mad to see return. I think survivor, you know. No, you're you're this bar in. I don't mind survivor. Taking swings that aren't like radically altering the landscape of the game. Which is why like him a little bit dicey on edge of extinction. Like, this is a radical change of the landscape. If it's a one use only I'm not so mad at it. And it has paid off with some with some compelling new narrative structures this season, which I have enjoyed I think that the edge of extinction stuff again. I think a fairly cold take has been the most enjoyable stuff of the season, so far so combined tribal comeback. I'm not mad at that. Especially because he got to imagine that the lesson for those guys were probably going back to tribal council. No matter what. So you know to see them have to pick off one of their own yet. Again, just means comma has an even easier shot going into the merge, when they already seem like, you know, the great fear is that this could be just a full pa- Goggin coming into the merge, I'm not that excited about but with the combined tribal there's a. Shot to shake things up a little bit into to do something. Interesting and sad to see the acts ball on on Wendy who. I know. You thought was the biggest threat of the season by far and away. Right. I believe that's correct. Take is I believe that. She was definitely going to the final three if let's in the game. So a smart move on a lot of people's parts to make sure that she was not going to be a part of that merge. I thought it was fun to see some of these people who these people who had just taken Aubrey out now in a way that they were very confident probably coming out of that vote. They pulled off a high level blindside. And now they're going to a tribal council. They're going to have to contend against two more returning players who they've never met before in their entire lives outside if the challenges and a quick, hi, how are you at the marooning, and they didn't really even get that. They just got to lay eyes on them. So now, they're going to this tribal council and they're going in. And they are you know, they're they're riding the high of having just knocked Aubrey out of the game. And they feel so confident that they've got this plan that these returning players aren't gonna want to go to rocks. It's going into that tribal council. And if you're somebody who's been watching survivor for any real amount of time, you got to know that these people they're playing stupid. They're logic is one much like the game. According to Russell hands. That you're gonna come back for your second or third time and just go out on Iraq. Dra? I don't think so said the person who just got on survivor for the very first time, you're the one who's gonna go to rocks. So it was it was fun to watch the Fijian standoff in this. I thought that it played played very very well. Okay. So Josh on this podcast. We try to take a look at the big picture. Take a look at the story where we've been where we might go to you right now coming into the merge. A what do you see as the major story line? We're following heading into the merge, there's a couple, but I think primarily it seems to be still I think like old com versus old mono is probably the obvious one. You know, the combined forces of the new mono who are old comma, plus the current comma, which is also old comma versus less sue, which is the only four people. That are still actively in the game from the original mono, and you gotta be worried about their shot. I know that some people I'm trying to I'm trying to remember who exactly I feel like Mike bloom has talked about this. If you've talked about, maybe referencing Mike about this being like, maybe a, you know, a fo overturn like a return of that kind of dynamic of the fo four from Samoa, do they have a shot as sort of like these survivor insurgents of taking down comma from within you gotta hope so otherwise it's just going to be rather boring. And I think that the secret weapon that they could potentially have up their sleeves. In addition to the fact that two of those four have idols in their pockets is whoever comes back from extinction. Can they do that person, you know, working against them as the fact that most of those people are people that they voted out themselves. Are they going to be able to win that person back over or if it's Aubrey they'll be? Able to get Aubrey rather quickly. You would think at Arbor you would think would be able to help Kelly went through has relationship with Joe poll Joe back over and then we've got a really fascinating situation. Joe also connected to Aurora. I think he has talked about as well. So that would be ideal. I love aubrey's. I'd love to see Aubrey coming back in this in this next boat. But I think that that's really the thing is like what happens with this extinction person. Does that tip the scales and whatever war we're about to get into or is common just gonna continue their frogmarch or their comedy? It's all over the game. And if that's the case, I'm going to be pretty bored. I'm gonna be pretty bored with that. Well last season we got so much with the David versus Goliath of you know, who were the underdogs and what is the adversity that? They're facing and anybody who is a student of reality TV knows that you know, we are usually as an audience siding with the underdogs is this very unusual circumstance now though where it might end up being that the underdogs in this season moving forward could be the returning players. It's almost like like kin the returning players hold their own against this group of starts which wants to knock them all out of the game. Yeah. Totally because I think we've seen it all season long. It's been at the very least the secondary narrative if not the primary one has been this rising tide against returning players from the people who are just playing survivor for the very first time, and they took their first. Shot at Aubrey and that worked out whether or not Aubrey is able to return to the game. You gotta think that went worth and David should be shaking in their boots. Because they're part of the minority now in they should be fairly obvious people for comedy, go after of commerce sticking together. But Joey amazing should also be nervous. We have seen people from his own tribe. Talking about how they want to get rid of Joe. And they're just haven't done it yet. Because why throw a challenge I think this was from this last episode wide throw a challenge when Joe is making camp life. So great why when he's shouldering the burden and making sure we don't have to go to tribal council, but that is going to end they're about to go to the merge, and we have said for years, you know, certainly during second chances something we were talking about a lot like the moment that Joe is not immune you go after Joe, right? Like, I really thought that Joe would be taken out before the merge in second chance in Cambodia. And maybe he would've if not for the fact that he never had to worry about it. So he's somebody who should be who should be very nervous. And I'm very excited to see what happens to him in Wentworth link-up because this is a moment for for Joe to show. These learned a thing or two from his first times out on survivor in the years that he's had to process those two games when he played the second time he had half a year at at that. If that to really think about how he had played the first time now he's had a couple of years since he's been out there. It Joe is you know, if Joe is the player, he hopes he is I think he's probably best served by moving away from comma and starting to make some moves coming up because I think that any one of those three returning players still left in the game went worth David Joe. I'm very very worried for any of their chances coming into this next episode. Yeah, I think that Joe is really the most interesting person in the game at the merge coming into this because he really has three paths in front of him. One is the comic strong of. Hey, I gotta show these people that I'm loyal. Maybe this is how I get to the end that if I if I get these people far enough if we just take the four or five easy votes and knock out what's left of the original Monu than that's my ticket to the end. And then if I can get to seven, and I can just win the immunities from there. He could flip and work with the returnees and take a Rura and potentially the person that comes back from extinction island, and they would have a majority against the remaining players from comma or Joe could just do the obi-wan-kenobi the the and say, oh, there's a whole island where I could just hang out there can't get voted out. Okay. So what I'm going to try to win every challenge. If you vote me out vote me out, but guess what? I'll be back right powerful. Oil then before. Yeah, he's going to help somebody shoot down the death star with his his this embodied force goes voice. Yeah. I think so and I'm curious to see which track it takes. And I do think that was a lot of the initial fear of education extinction. Is this is just a twist that's designed for someone like Joe to get knocked out comeback in and just conquer the game. And I don't think that that would be very exciting. I think that that would be rather boring. So amazing. Wait was going to be like this yet, bro. Okay. More like, Joey lame. Yeah. Joy the name as ING. Yeah. Right. This. I'm not I'm not about Joey mazing. I want this guy want him here. No. Yeah. Man. I mean to see Joe on the edge of extinction with three MS obviously, a delight. I just hope that Rima's not the person who comes back into the game. I just I just wanted to see ream on the edge of extinction for the rest of time. And that is with all due respect to remove who remains the best character of the season. As far as I'm concerned. What I would really like to see I'd like to see Joe turn it on. I'd like to see different Joey amazing. I'd like to see a Joe who plays that game that he that. He really ought to play. I'd like to see Joe who knows that his time is up with the comic bolts, and he should go with somebody who can actually at least read to a degree in Kelly Wentworth who he's played with before both on survivor and on candy, Crowley, what's. And you know, they've already one together. Once why not flip the script. I feel like that is. Take Aurora with you talk to whoever comes back from with from extinction. If it's Aubrey it's an easy conversation. If it's one of these other people, hopefully, it's not a terribly hard conversation of being like, look these people are titan. They're going to be coming for all of us. And we don't make a move right now. If you can't settle your beef with these people who voted you out, we're all going to have a big problem. We can deal with that later. I would love to see that side of Joe am I thinking that? That's what we'll see not really. I mean, what we have seen from Joe on the show has been to people on his tribe conspiring openly literally right in front of him. And then him giving us a confessional saying like, I don't know where they stand. They just told you where they stand so make or break moments coming up for Joe here at the top of the merge, and I think that's going to be very exciting to see how it plays out in either direction just as far as like Joe watches concerned. Yeah. But he's going to do it foresee. Sarah. Yeah. Work with Chris Chris the game. Sierra. Okay. So speaking of who's gonna come back into the game. There are six people who are vying for a spot to return to the game Wednesday night. We don't know who it's going to be. But one of these six people is coming back, and since we did so well, our who is out at the swap draft. Josh. And I thought it would be fun. If we went ahead and did our who is coming back from the edge draft. Yeah. We edge in. Nope. No, no, no. We're not. We're not we're now. All right. Guest. Yes. Okay. Okay. Oh, sorry. I'm sorry to these days. All right edge of extinction draft. So who was closer with the nobody had Devon's with closing. No. I believe and I don't think that anyone had Lauren either. Right. And those are the only two shots in the gun. So this kind of we were drawn dead that night. Yeah. Yeah. We'll do a little better. I mean, they're six people left on the edge of the guy had Aubrey. I think I drafted Aubrey in the who's out at the swap draft. So I guess that would probably be closest close ish. Yes, I had to have Wendy. No. Or did you have Wendy? No. I think he took Wendy was number one pick. So people that got voted out after the swap. Okay. All right. So you get to pick you get to pick. If you wanna go first, or if you wanna if you wanna get the the two-three. Heavy snake drafting do the heavy snake draft. That's one heavy snake? So I will give you the first pick. And I'll go to three because I don't have a chalk favorite. Okay. I'll go Aubrey. I'll stick to my power Bracha that I think Aubrey will be the person who comes back from the edge of extinction. I think of the returning players I still maintain. I think she has the best winner story. That's potentially only enhanced by the fact that she got motored out on a season. Like this that you know, she you know, when when when she hits her lows, that's when she's ready to go on the upswing. She's the one who gets that line at the end of the episode. It's time for some payback. She's wearing like the die jerks band in. I think they're all wearing the Dieter spin Danna right now. But I think that she's she's got that. She's got that ferocity about her. And besides that she of everybody else has the most experience in survivor challenges she's gotten immunity win under her belt. I feel like she has the the practice of trying to calm your nerves your steadiness going into challenges when things are, you know, make or break moments. So why not why not take Aubrey? I think I think Aubrey is as good a first pick as as any of these people. Okay. I'll bring. Put their so she's not quite as malnourished as everybody else is quite as crazy as everybody else. I'll take Aubrey. Okay. All right. So I got two in a row here. And let me think about how this is going to go. I will say that. I will take Philip people feel very good about this person potentially returning. I'll take Devon's at number two. He is not done a lot, challenge wise. So it's hard to get a good read on how he would be able to function is. But he seems capable enough. Seems like he knew what he was doing with the map and can solve a problem or puzzle. If that's part of what they do. So I think Devon's number two. Yeah. I mean, he does like he has been in the in the four episodes that he was actively involved. He was such a big character. You know, he was one of the new players that really popped the most. And it was a real shock. I mean, we didn't even get to talk about that. It was a real shock when he got voted out think a lot of people have been getting like that winner vibe from Rick Devon's. And I wasn't sure if I was getting quite the winner vibe, but certainly like big character vibe so to see him go. Yeah. To see the Kool aid man, go down. Fourth was a was a real shock to me. And you gotta feel like there's a little more life left in that guy. But it could just be that. He's like. The the news anchor of extinction. You know that he is you know, he's just gonna be like an expert narrator out in the sub game is not an impossibility. It's hard for me to picture him conquering challenge compared to to some of the other people really who I assume you're going to pick next versus Aubrey are the are the two that I that I'd be it'd be really hard for me to see how how best those people, and I say that with all due respect as a fellow dad Bader myself as DJ Lebel client pointed out stale. I heard you graduated. I'm working on it. I'm working on it. But I would love to. I would love for you to be right. It'd be sad. I would be sad for me to be wrong. But I would love for you to be to be right. That Devon's is able to get back in here. Talking about a lack of dad Bod. Oh, I would love for that to be correct doom. I say I'm working on it. All right. Okay. So number three, I'm going to take somebody who could be a little nodded up on with this Wednesday night. But maybe he will be able to overcome. I will go with Mr Chris Underwood. Yeah. He come on come on come on. There will be no garlic knots involved in this challenge. Unfortunately. Yeah. I think Chris would be the odds on favourite if not for the nuts, and that is that is the big hangup for me versus Aubrey like you went Devon second. I would have said Chris would have been would have been the second one up. Between him and Aubrey. This guy was was a killer on that that slingshot challenge is by far and away the most capable physical challenge performer on the original mono is real surprise. When he went home. There's a destiny quality about it. Right. Like if he is Burton Roberts reborn then this would be his chance to to get back into the game. So yeah, I not mad at the pick at all. I mean for him to be top three. I think is a is a no brainer. Okay. All right. I also think that that survivor, you know, that they could give him something that's going to slow him down. But I don't think that they're going to give him punishment that will take him out of commission something that could slow him down a little bit. But I don't think it's going to be completely debilitating. I wonder I wonder how that will balance out where he's got. He's got the practice. Right. He's got the thing. He could practice on. And he's probably gonna get knotted up by Keith will that cancel each other out, and we'll just be like on like an even keel with everybody else. And if he's on it even kill everybody else, you still pretty deadly. Okay. Josh you will pick two out of the last three people left on extinction, and I will have the last person left. Yes. So I mean, if if Chris coming back would be the fulfillment of the Bert Roberts reborn prophecy than who's our scoutmaster Lil who's. Who is the closest we have to that? I mean, really nobody right. There's no one as legendary as the great Lillian Lillian Morris cousin of Steve chicken Morris. But in in the spirit of chicken Morris, why not call it for big Wendy. She's. She's she's just getting to the edge of extinction. She is the the first she's she's the last person there before this challenge. Can't imagine. She is spending more than a night two nights. Max in this land of depletion? She's got. She's been surprisingly strong in challenges. If it's going to require a big race. She might be in trouble though. She's like she's been pretty good on her feet. I actually don't direly understand what happened with every Yankel. I don't know exactly what the challenge is going to include. But hopefully, it won't involve a sense of direction. Closer to Wendy Joe in that moment as she was infamously lost in the Nicaragua graveyard. Yeah. I think I think Wendy, I'm not I'm not expecting it. But she's been the biggest new player of the season actively in the game up until this past week. So there may be more life to her yet. I don't think it will probably be one of the three we had discussed before this. But then. I hope that she's not so offended that I didn't pick her already because I will take rim daily here. I will I will take daily as you know, what? It's fine. Thanks. Thanks rian. Because I love you as I've said like, I think the best character this season number I'm including every single person who's on the season attorneys, even the attorneys, even pro post. Chickens. I think I think remake daily superstar and. She's she is she is the the light of our lives this year, and I kind of want her to just be the mother of extinction forever because I think that would be tremendous. But I also love the idea of her getting back just giving everybody earful and then probably getting sent right back to the extinction shortly after that. So I'll take ream here to to leave you with with Keith, right? For key. Does seem hopeless. Imagine that scenario where the like what the challenge could be that. It comes up that it's going to be in Keats wheelhouse. Yeah. I can't. I mean, if it requires like running away from everybody without them noticing getting like a real start on the challenge while they're not watching, you know, maybe he that. I don't even think I would begrudge Keith if he went to go raise the mast as like, what is what are they doing here? No, no. He's. Let's just go. You know, you get a fun time. And then just raise rhythm. There's raise the roof. Yeah. Yeah. He's got to stay there for thirty nine. He's going to beat like ten people. Then then when when get back in the game. Yeah. I mean, he he went out there. Right. He went out to the edge of extinct. Yeah. He he made the choice. He settled the cliffhanger. He made the right decision. He's been out there for a long time. Now, he knows what it's like if he's to be defeated. And if he is to head back out there than yeah. I could I could understand that. But if he, you know, if if the news comes in our in its challenge day, and there's even reporting live from challenge day, and if he doesn't even compete in the challenge if you're saying like, you raises the mast pre channel they'll go to challenge go to the challenge. And then, you know, especially if Chris goes in that could put him over the edge. Let me just say that I will not be one of these survivor alumni on Twitter raking Keith over the coals. Of how could you how could you raise the man? I'll be like he had a good run. I think it'd be hard to be mad at anybody who who raised the mast, honestly, because I I really think it's really bleak out there. It's it's very bleak out there on the edge of extinction when you're bleak, you're bleak. You know, and you didn't choose to you know, you didn't choose the twist that essentially 'cause you a quitter you the the twist shows you, and I think if you choose to to not engage with the twist any further after having at least dabbled with the twist, I think I wouldn't be so mad about it. But yeah, I I have a hard time imagining Keith winning this challenge. I think that'd be really exciting story. If he did I think it'd be very I think it'd be a really fun story if he did. And the thing that's making me think about it. A little more is how much how much narrative emphasis was on him like making that choice. Whether or not even go out to the edge of extinction that it was such a hard decision for him and the ultimate we went out there. Why emphasize that it was a hard decision for him? If not for the fact that maybe it's going to pay off that maybe he is going to get his way back into the game. So. Boy thing about the the more. I can picture Keith returning to the game. It's just hard to imagine that the, you know, the victory over some of these other people it'd be a real David versus Goliath right of him being able to tie tie Chris down and then get past them. Gulliver's travels now. Keep it in the survivor university. Right. You're Davis is still in the universe. But covers travels is definitely better metaphor. Yeah. I do think Chris wins the challenge on Wednesday. You'll see me at church on Sunday. Yeah. I think so. Yeah. It's like, wow. This come on. God stuff is really a working working. It's work. All right, Joshua. There's going to be no insurance for any of these players in the -sarily a get back into the game. But you and the listeners can save a lot of money on your car insurance with our friends over at a I s the auto insurance specialists now people most of the time don't even know what they're paying for their car insurance. Got set it up to auto pay. And that's just how the insurance companies like it. 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We need to talk about who's leaving the game as well. Yes. Someone's going to give voted out someone's about to get knocked out of survivor edge of extinction, at least for a little while, you know, who knows who knows what's going to happen for this person afterwards. We're at merge boot territory, baby. Let's let's draft that out as well. Yeah. Is it worthwhile to just stop down and talk about the current state of the merge boot on survivor because you know, this ends up being thing where we think it's one thing. But lately the merge boot, it seems like is more often than not who is the outlier who is the people who's the person that the consensus can just knock out of the game here, you know, the merge Buddhists, the new I one out where often the first person voted out of survivor. It's not necessarily because they did anything wrong. It's not necessarily because of like any one thing often. It's the Sandra thing of anybody. But me writing like often. Just like I don't want to be the first one out. And I think that there's some. Some measure of that that has been true of merge boots recently where like Kris noble fairly easy person for everybody. Yeah. Let's just get rid of Kris noble here. He's he's causing problems. And he's ridiculous. And let's just let's just knock that guy out. You would think of him kind of that more traditional merge because he's a challenge threat. I think it could be just as much about the fact that I that's just something that we can all agree to eliminate. I think you could say a similar thing for Jessica Johnston, the recently, married. Congratulations johnson. I would actually tell me what you think about this. I think she's the one outlier here in the thirties in terms of these merge boots. I think that all the other merge boots are actually like pretty much straightforward in terms of. I mean at least since second chances where it was cast. Then yet a medical evacuation in thirty two and then thirty three it was shell Michelle. Okay. The different 'em name Michelle and yet Haley Ford, and then you had Jessica I think is the one outlier where it was really the two sides in a face off of who were they going to put the votes on. And then you had then with Elizabeth and with Kris noble as as we mentioned. So I think it's a lot of like easy votes at the merge. And Jessica was like the one it wasn't like that. She was unpleasant to be around at all. It was just like, okay. Well, we're going to target one of the healers. So let's just put on the one who's the least likely to have the idol. Yeah. But I think that that's not far away from my Haley was voted out. Like, I think that it's similar. I think it's kind of like this is somebody who we can reasonably feel safe about getting rid of right now. So I do think that that's like the new defining trait of the modern merge. Boot is it's. It's less about who's going to dominate the game moving forward who is a huge threat to you know, to rock the challenges moving forward, and it seems to be more about like who can we all get on board with or who can the majority of us get on board with just as somebody not even necessarily because they're unpleasant to be around or anything like that. But because like this is just a fairly easy straightforward decision. And the irony was Kris noble had an idol when he got voted out of the game. Okay. All right. So josh. Okay. So would you like the first pick again here in the in the merge, the well, we'll do three in three again? Sure. And we talked before we got onto the podcast that whoever comes back from the edge of extinction is just that's the person that's draftable person rather than like saying Aubrey is is eligible here specifically arenas eligible here specifically or whoever it's the extinction. Returnee is the is the person you could draft just like the blanket extinction attorney. Okay. All right. Yeah. It makes sense. That makes sense makes sense. Okay. All right with my first pick. I'll take the extinction returning. The in the Boston rob rule book. Right. Like, you know, this is this is the person that you, you know, they showed up you send them right back. Why not easy consensus choice this person shouldn't still be into game? Anyway, let's just send them right back where they belong. See? I don't think that whoever comes back from the edge will go right back out of the game boomerang style. I really don't think that we'll see a Matt Elrod slash Wyatt. Nash situation on Wednesday night because I feel like that who does that serve other than like there being some sort of consensus and operates Koumba ya survivor. If it's Aubrey, you know, then you would think that she'd be voting with the returning players they could pull over Joe. And if it's one of these other first time players, then what's what support like why big Wendy again because then for comet they still don't have to really draw. Against each other yet, you know, they can they can still keep that Kuhn by. A big threat that is from the original Mah new and not big Wendy. Yeah. Maybe you know, maybe maybe that's it. But maybe it's like what's gives some of these new mono or original mono, more of a chance because of venture -ly you're gonna want one or two of those numbers. So you know, I mean a chance. When you have one of these other people like say, it's Reema or Chris maybe Devon's I could see if when he if he goes right back to his original group. But I think that there's like some wiggle room here where like if Chris comes back that maybe there that Christmas coming back, east salty. And that comma feels like okay. Well, this is another vote on our side that we could keep around and now pick off the less slash mono people. I feel like I feel like I've made a huge mistake here. Made a big mistake. I feel like I'm I'm trying to think about this the old way. And this season is bearing out that the old way isn't necessarily the way forward anymore that these new players are resisting the narrative that when you get a couple of returnees on a season. That's mostly newbies. They just do the coach thing and frogmarched to the end and either get to the end or they win. And it seems like these rookies they know that narrative, and they don't like that narrative and there. Resisting that narrative, so maybe the why Nash thing won't repeat itself. And maybe I've just catastrophically screwed up my own draft. They'll be yourself up too much. I feel horrible about it. I feel terrible about it. I just feel really bad about it. All right. So the the edge of extinction return is the number one pick to go home at the merge. I'll stick with. Okay. Stick with it. All right. I have two picks in a row, I will say that. I will take war dog here as the number two pick off the board. Noble. Ask you know, and anti knowable in other respects. I e softball for right? Not so much on the fast pitch guy as very funny. Here's my thinking here with a war dog that if they are going to target a number from the less sue slash monocytes that they might look at him as a physical threat in terms of not the results don't necessarily bear out. But if you're saying like who are we worried about that is going to win challenges out of Kelly, Lauren David side that may be war dog comes in. He could. Rub. Some people the wrong way as we've seen in this new paradigm shift of who's not making a ton of friends at the merge, potentially. And I could see him being name that gets thrown out. There word is the biggest challenge threat of those four. I think that if you are getting there to the merge, and you're looking at that group who you targeting as the challenge threat Warren, it's possible. But I think they're looking at at you know. War dog. He's a strong guy. I think that that's still part of the mindset of the survivors. And maybe he is sort of a a loud presence at the camp. And so he's top of mind for people to target at the merge. Yeah. I could absolutely see it. You know? You know, as as Wentworth yourself puts that there is like there's a Tony wlac shows esque quality to him that, you know, maybe at this point win his tribe is already so down in numbers. And if any of these super fans are also in their minds thinking that there's boa VO upside to the original mono that maybe we want to get rid of the guy who looks the most like Russell hands. I think it's it's not impossible to see that. Yeah. I mean, I could see I could totally see it. I don't think that I would pick him as the second. But I can see where you're alright I'm gonna go with a pick here. That's going to be a little off the board. Okay. All right. I'm going to go with Eric Haith, man. Wow. Now, that's a that's a classic merge boot. Yeah. Got Nick Stanbury upside written all over him. Okay. Let me just talk through my thinking there that if they if the less Sumani people can can pull over Joe pullover Aurora and the extinction island person. I think that they would target one of the people that is from the new Monu nut somebody that Joe has ties with from the second version of calm. I feel like Joe would not be. Up to vote out one of those people. But maybe Joe could be talked into voting out one of the common people who expose themselves as being one of the people that voted out. Aubrey was not somebody that Joe seemed close with based on what we've seen and of the three some of, you know, Gavin, Victoria, and Eric the biggest traditional merge threat in terms of winning the challenges. So I'll take Eric in a wild one. Yeah. I'm not mad at that. Because it's consistent with where I'll go with my next two picks where I'm gonna I'm gonna put some faith in the less for I'm gonna put some faith in the fact that they've got to idols on their side. And they've got a proven crazy thinker in in the form of David Wright, and a budding crazy thinker in the form of Dan, the war dog to Silva, and I'm gonna I'm gonna put some stock in some. Some foe hopes here. If for no other reason than. Yeah. Man. I don't want this to be a calmest on all over everybody. I think that would just so boring all due respect to two people from from comma, those who we have heard much from those who we have barely heard from. I'm sure you're all wonderful people with with great journeys in in your own hearts and minds. Right. I think for the sake of the show, it'd be it'd be better for this to be a little more exciting than what seems to be obvious. I'm gonna I'm gonna pick to comma people here and the mechanism by which I think that these people would be getting knocked out would either be by pulling in Joe and Aurora. For to bring them, plus whoever comes back from extinction into those numbers, and they're finally able to turn it on Kama or or or maybe or maybe Joe doesn't budge and he's somebody that's worth targeting. The first personal is Ron Clark. I think that Ron seems to be the most outside of Eric. I think he seems to be an even more than Eric. He's the guy who's really beating the comma pride drum. He's the guy who is who is really about going against returning players keeping his group loyal. He's seems to be a really deadly dangerous strong player that now would not be a bad time to go after someone like Ron, especially if you're Wentworth or Lauren, and you can't turn the numbers over to your side. And now is the time to use an immunity idol, I can really easily scenario where Wentworth is able to savage out Ron Clark. So I'll take run as as my first pick here. Okay. Clark gets Eitel doubt. Hall is where you have to like call your shot off like the Bank shot. No. I mean, Ron goes out in any other way. I'm still going to do. I'll still do my own comma dance, you know, do do my own way. We'll dance. Yeah. So I'll say Ron. And I only got one other pick. Right. That's it. Right. I feel like I I mean, the odds are he's probably gonna win immunity. But if he doesn't I gotta take Joe because I think of Joe doesn't win. I think Joe doesn't win immunity at the very least we are going to see some kind of narrative heading into tribal council like maybe now's the time to get rid of Joe, and they wouldn't be wrong. Now would be the time to get rid of Joe. So I feel like at the various I just have to have them because I think the rest are a little bit of shots in the dark. Although I would maybe I'm giving you a free one here like I would be tempted to take David here as well. As somebody that they could just all come after right now. Right. David wright. Yeah. I think I have to take him. He doesn't have an idol. He is of a thorough. He's vulnerable. So I will take David Ryan. I just don't want to underestimate David right now. David Wright, I've oh, we believe in him. But we also believe that other people see what we see. And he definitely could be somebody that they go after and also believe that Joey mazing will be immune for the next seven episodes. So you don't have to believe in your picks to make them. Okay. All right. Josh anything else? You wanna say about the you get that was your okay? So. Yeah. So Josh going with the returning edge of extinction player Ron Clark, Joe. And I have wore dog, Eric and David. So we feel like a lot of men are going to be vulnerable at the merge. A lot of people left on the on the cutting room floor as is survivor edge of extinctions want. Okay. Josh we are now through the pre merge on the edge of extinction. This would be probably the end of in a -lution of strategy and was go that the edge Lucien of strategy. It'd be the name of a chapter could be could be but probably it'd be named something like, bro. This is lame. Yeah. Remember that Mark that Denmark town here we are at the edge of the end of the pre merge. Josh any thoughts. Just in terms of these six episodes of survivor, we watch as a whole. Yeah. I think that the edge of extinction itself has been the most exciting part of the season by far which is maybe a surprise coming into the season. I also would say maybe an indictment of the season. The the fact that this is the best stuff of the season. I don't think that that speaks necessarily very highly of the health of the season. I think that listen, I'm still here for survivor to do something a little wonky and a little wacky to really, you know, to take a big swing like this. When you're at season thirty eight why not you're still on the air. I've really have no issue at this point with with them, you know, taking some swings and getting creative and trying to shake things up. But I think that there's just it's just a lot. You know? It's forget a double stuff Dory. Yo this is like a quadruple stuff Oreo. It's just too much. There's just there's such a thing as too much stuffing in the Oreo cookie. I know that some people won't agree. But I think you want you want things to be a little slimmer. You want things to be a little leaner change the flavor a little bit. But stuffing is just too much. To go. We haven't really had the chance to talk about something that we had thrown out there. The last time you and I were on the wiggle room together, which we're going to go from two to three tribes plus the edge of extinction. It's so much to do with only forty three minutes of airtime. Even as they're starting to sacrifice certain things to to help tell the story like we're not seeing Probst anymore at the end of tribal council talking about whatever, you know, philosophical message. He wants to leave everybody with the end credits are changing as well the previously on our shorter and even with with those sacrifices it still took us until the double episode to hear from. Julia still took we still barely know Aurora who I know is is a stitch is a riot. We're not seeing much from from Gavin who is really funny in person is really having this week. I mean, he was in the in the first hour the double episode. I think we saw it'll be fair amount of Gavin a little bit. But I think on the week to week. This season's just not really lighting up my buttons buttons are to be lighted. I don't know. That's what you're supposed to do with buttons. Or not pleasant. Yeah. I don't know if it's just because the afterglow of top-five baby season, David versus Goliath or what? Or if it's stuff that's inherent with this season inspiration. It's survivor. So I'm enjoying it. You know, I will enjoy the worst season of survivor, but it is this is not the worst season of survivor, but it's it's an outlier season of survivor, and I maintain what I said early on that I wonder if this will be a more enjoyable season as a binge I think that the way that the story has been structured and formatted maybe more fun when you can like really sit down and chew on it like a book, but as far as the week to week the fact that like the edge of extinction step is more exciting to me than what's happening on the beach where you really have four fairly defined characters in the less who for versus sort of like a massive comma is not great just my just my two cents. Yeah. I'm. I'm not as down on the season overall as as you sound I feel like that. Pleasantly surprised overall with the season. I feel like that the one sort of clunker was the Rick Devon's tribal council and just in terms of I thought that was so boring in terms of just voting out that, you know, the one person we're big family, and like that because that felt the most personal you know, it felt personal to me. So I I actually had some stake involved in these characters like I felt like actually knew who these people were. So I didn't mind that I don't know. I not say like a full thumbs down on this. I'm still in wait and see mode, though, I can't make like a strong evaluation of this season until I've seen more where I was at the end of episode four or five Davor squads was the best season ever. Don't at me saying I'm not saying worse. These tweeted the other night that edge of extinction is not the worst season of survivor ever at me. Yeah. I agree. I would say. That's true. You can add me on that. I don't think this is the worst season ever. I think it's got a ways to go before becomes that? But I think it's a it's a bit of an asterisk of season so far, and I don't know if that will ever change. We'll see. Okay. And I had made a bet with Stephen fishbach earlier in the season. How many people would tap out from the edge of extinction? I feel like that feeling good about the under on the number of tap outs. This season. I like I mean, did you have zero like one and a half? Yeah. Yeah. Steven felt like there would be six people tapping out from the edge of extinction is knowing as no at all on the line. Or can we not the mass Tim caveats with that? All right. So Josh before we get to this week's double episode, a one-off, and that this is unfortunate that you feel this way about things that are double stuffed because. Sponsorship. No, no wand off. The one off this week is sponsored by our friends over at ship. The new dating app for people that could use a little help from their closest friends weather. 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I set him up with somebody once upon a time, and they dated for two years, and it was an unmitigated disaster. Just as men, and if you need to you can say leave your lipid make happy rest of my life. If you'd shut the circle and just take your. You could. The one. Did you miss the wand off when you were on vacation? Josh my wife on the other hand is really good at setting people up. She's responsible. Decrease is responsible for the creation of four lives. That's more. They may to people married and two two babies per couple. So if you want if you if that's what you're looking for give at mlive a shout show help you ship shipping. All right. Josh you missed week four we on the one though. Oh, I know. And I meant to have one deliver them sort of 'paparazzi apology for it. And we just we couldn't get our act together. But I was so re to this. We re okay. All right. Bye. We're alive we're alive. Okay. As chicken so far here week number five, though the double episode really throws things off because now it's week six. But now we say it's like episode seven. It's it's tricky the plight of a survival, prominence aid. This is this is this is one of our the Baynes of our existence. I know it, and I know I just I just I referred to them as weeks instead of episodes as my solution. So are you on week six now or are you on episode seven for Wednesday? I think I don't I don't think about it as episode seven. I think about it as week six of survivor edge of extinction. Okay. Easier to think about it that way for me. All right here. We are. Josh. We gotta talk about. Our top three from last week and this. This was a compelling stakes coming into this big stakes and watched by a lot of people, most notably. The first lady of podcasting who had two black hats boxed up for Alex g wow, sitting on my counter all week long and every single day. My wife asked me. Who did who won the won off this week who won the won this week because I need to send these hats out. I said hold on. You have to hold on. We're watching to see if we have to send Alex g a third black hat in the box for the first ever one off three P. Let's get to the results. We've had people win three one Inc. Right. But just never in a row. Guess we need like a American idol results music here for the wand off top three. And he's. While I want to all right in third place with thirteen point nine five percent of the vote. The tabulates is reporting Rebecca from Seattle ahead. Rebecca from Seattle killer killer in the newcomers of the of the Wanda, I hope to hear more from her time. Very sad to hear about the story that that rob dot jihadists case, screw that up. Yeah. Stupid. Casey. Okay. All right. All right. Second place was thirty two point six five percent of the vote. First place was thirty five point five or percent of the vote. So to four e big runaways this week in second place. It was DJ La Belle Klein for funny guy with the dad Bod. And do you think he got dinged from first place because he said I have. Bad Baden turns out, maybe not so much anymore. DJ Lebel Klein is this part of the lyrics. Shame to me. So. So a sexy picture of you came out, and then he referred to you as part of the dad Bod crew, and Billy I vote for this anymore. It's fake news fake news. That's that's my theory. I'm sticking to all right? And the winner of this week for e one off. Wand off history has. GP? A G I want everybody to stop what they think. They. Now, if you know your with somebody that you send the hotel bream tonight, make some. Oh my God. Yeah. Repeat in the one dollars. Tell them the coal to get out. The the box cutter the real put another black hat in that box dangerous things happen when box cutters are broken out. Alex g three peat regular Colby. Donaldson here of of the Wanda going. Yes. Okay. And I will tell you. Spoiler alert that Alex gene may have burnt himself out because we have we will have a new one off champion this week. You can show for a bit buddy. Entry this week. You can you can let people you can let some other people some black the literal hat trick for Alex g graduate edible incredible. What's he gonna do with three wombat three three black hats, clear out of black hats? Yeah. We did. It didn't make isn't that? What he said the other night? She is like it's like I'm like Alex g and I found my black hats and sometimes. No it all and Africa. Dad, hope coat hotel lame. Oh, man, hocus pocus reference. I'm still waiting for survivor contestant named Thackery some point in the future. Hold on. Hold on. We'll see with with with Thackery. Yeah. All right. Let's bring in a man who knows a thing or two about hocus pocus and the. Otherworldly things. The one of the great Casey case. Robin. Josh, it's a pleasure to be back here in the studio with you for the other week of the Wanda off great to be with you again. Casey. Sorry. I said you suck before. Obviously. I don't mean it, and I know is actually boy twenty-seven fall. That's right. But that you'll be hearing from attorney. Josh we've got a jam packed honorable mentions here. So let's get right to it. Of course, you could hear all these songs on the rob has a podcast patron soundcloud account of eligible to all the patrons of rob has a podcast. Let's get things started here by a man who wants to talk about what's going on at the edge of extinction. Got a few edge edges here at the start of the honorable mentions. Here's Brad black and gold to explain why ream couldn't get this week's advantage. That was from the great artists and see dumber than a bag of hammers are C hammer would be good to okay. Next up. We're going to talk to one of the people that showed up on the edge this week. Here's a song from dibs on the gets down to station. His second chance. He was in a bind after a blindside, and it stopped games. Advanced. He came upon that island feeling sad mad at hot then jumped up on a hickory, stump. But said man, let me tell you, what do you already know this? But we're glad to see you here. You voted us out? You've got no clout. The first out player jeered. Now you played a pretty good game. Rick, but give your track meets their do. I bet a pretty tall stack of Shannon greenback. The player going back game you the man said, I'm Rick Devon's. And in my be a long shot. But I take that you're going to regret because I'm vying for that spot on showing up on that they're being Windies now to help focus on our or no one knows what to do. And if you win you get back in this game if good he split, and if you lose to reach. That was oh, great jam by the Charlie Daniels rendering ban. Wow. I can't believe it's take in so many different interational of the wand off to finally hear the survivor devil went down to Georgia. Here. We are love that song. Loons? Doubt doubt doubt don't to Casey. I need a word with you to sit in my offers. Always data. Enjoy janis. Tune is is pretty good. But clearly, the survivor devil. Should've should've always win that the devil part devil went under Georgia's just so much better, the survivor devil is no friend of mine. Believe you me. Okay. Next up. We've got a song from coltie and she's talking about what's going on over on the edge. Kidding up. Okay. That was an anthem from the neat lady Gaga as a great cover, Victoria Bama nd. Nope. That was from Nicole p got it. Okay. Nicole p came up with that one. Josh wig ler. Okay. We will also say that it's a miracle. It took five weeks for us to get the edge of extinction song and now for season thirty eight we're done. Fair enough next up. We're talking more about the edge. Here's Audrey s from Dallas. Now. We gonna go some. Even more. Three screwed thin. Keep who want to come on. God come on Underwood. Thank you. The holiday and blunt. News. Two. Trouble. In Bill comes close describable. Big wendy. Chickens loan. Six. Pete. For. Don't worry. We will. It's true. That was a great one from Katie Collins Perry. True. They'll want off creators are really enjoying the extinction island and Claire from New York wants to really show her appreciation to the man who came up with the idea. Wrong here television. She is a super on pleasant person. Just. That was the song. Thank you. Jeff by Boston. Rob Mariana 'Grande. Keep your name mouth Casey sorry about that. Domain to offend special. Shout out to all of our listeners in Boston, Massachusetts, very good. Very good. I don't know. Why are you? 'grande one's always killed me. Great named blond off too. Josh wig ler. It was only a couple of weeks ago that we got a wand off from the spouse of one of the edge of extinction players this week were about to make history in the wiggle room. Once again, okay has this week we received a Wanda off from an offspring of one of the F of extinction contestants. Wow this week. We've got a song from thirteen year old Jake Rosenberg as the slippery slope gets even more slippery week after week, man. The rain is down on that eight frame. Here's Jake with song about extinction. Game play was somewhat say get you. To same nickname. Now. I have a choice if a water walkaway. But I just stay and remain keet say descended crazy. Sure, chickens. That you were you were. Game taken choose a one. Easy to lose. You're still game wonderful. Wonderful song from dean, gentleness. Man, we're getting close to being able to like franchise this ad as one junior. That's awesome. Can't wait for that day. Jay great job. That was awesome. Awesome. Roseburg's are surprising me this season. This wonderful. They've got a whole social media. Amazing. Josh it's time to talk a little bit about Mr. Joseph amazing here. All the way from Australia is Lindo the talk about Joe's efforts so far. I love it. You follow a young person with Lindell who is probably gonna say something that Jake should not listen to. So that that he. Goshen. He makes. Danna may try. Carrying. Message be employed. Joke of every. Seem hand buddy. Nothing can faze Joe. Message to the team and these. He's got an incentive Sierra. On Atra every day as a free stash. Fund, white is. Threes. All dreams, come true. My time. In fish in. Because. That was the theme song, a classic TV show, Rodney level and Shirley. Josh. The reason I included that was like one of the reasons, but I really just wanted to shade. Rob sister Nino because he still hasn't gotten out the Robin Akiba need up odd cast episode of the TV theme song. Casey. I I have a million things going on with the wiggle room. Okay. Don't you dare throw me under- the bus for this? Rob. We are all waiting for that five and a half hour podcast. And there is no excuse no excuse it normally comes out on Sunday and Monday afternoon, and it's still not feed. It's honestly, it's just ridiculous polling for W K, R P and Cincinnati and affiliate of Casey's top forty. Yes. Together, come on next up is Michael. And Kimberly they've got a song. That's also about Mr. Joey amazing. On some cook. On the. Right through. But as. And he may just think and then. Do. Dreams. Joe maze? That was from a boy band b new win sink. I like it. I like that a lot next. We've got a couple of songs all about character named award. Here is an original song from Bob with two Bs which it says here in my notes. This is the theme from the war dog colon and original story of a super villain side. Kick. Common. Which quit or box. Retuning toes? Juggernaut, bro. Year, meek and mild all student silver. Robert Phya radio active sits dangerous. Seductive. Just scream. Degree this super villain aside cake. Obsolete. Things. Rogaine would be sweet. Runs on pure Lupi. Begs five feet. At original from Bob with two Bs. Very good. Very good dog anthem. It's here. It's a rive. We've got some more war dog anthem here from swaggie, Jay. You do. Nothing. Sure. One from Edwin all star. Larry. I find the word. I highly entertaining with that is just Casey Kasem. Huge fan. I get blocked, but that was grand. Here's one more on ward from DJ best panda. That was classic from Kelley went word Clarkson, amazing. Last couple of honorable mentions here, Josh Wigley. Okay. Casey Cason next up its Nate Dogg. And Dr Amanda they made one Wanda last week. And now they're hooked here. They are talking about the saga of this season's veteran players. Players. We came back to the game to win this time and Dame. Good too. Can't be no Keith on the beach. You got to be ready to flip your vote. If you know what? I mean earn your seat. Tribal night. A single tribe stains strong time to. The go-to box ain't blow this thing. Don't boating blind. Joe strike, big windy. That's gets then. School free flip. A vote five three or you. Newbies. That was one from Warren. Featuring Nate Dogg. I mean, the Nate Dogg part genuinely sounded like Wardag listing. That's. Actually said like the. DO double G. Which is a wonderful next up. Josh we've got Lara and Noah and they're talking about how the women are taking control of this game. Crap. That was a great one from Nayan say. I like it. I love that happened. I love that. I went whereas an idol Lawrence over went home with and that she got it more like this, please. Okay. Next up. Josh we're going to close out our mentions with some said songs for Aubrey. Here is our great friend who puts together all the music videos behind the one of here is Jason Curtis for there. Sweet. Sure. Breaker. That was from Lindsey Richter Buckingham. And finally, Josh we close out this week's honorable mentions with another song for Aubrey Brocco. And her loss is being felt by last year's winner. Although wand off Matt from Waterloo. Epic that was at symphony from the composer. Julie Wolfgang Amadeus. Mozart? That's good. Sad. It's sad. It's so sad. We will go from our our will mentions to this week's top five. And Josh as we countdown the top five songs and one bat nation, we remind you you could vote all week long by going to rob has a website dot com slash vote. Wanda where the tabulates is standing by to give us the results every single week. We come out of that from Waterloo and go right back in with men from Waterloo. And song. Narran for one bad nation. Here is talking about some of the talents of the grey Wardag. Carey. That was all rock anthem from the group van Halen Ford. Yeah. I also really did like it. When dog jumped into the ocean was really good. All right. Number two this week. All one-off nation comes to us from as far as I can tell first time entrant into the one of here is frail Mary with a remix of. Ticks that's already been in the one off. Here's frail Mary. Fuller now. Finally, got your. Lasted. Mayor. All these. Doing trying to cause all the scenes old poultry free goes here if go till Eric. You don't go survivor waiting, but I'm making. You're signed stroll down left. Maybe lost not good with pass it, folks. Folks, twelve hundred y'all will miss big winter now. Now, they're giving us no pets Kula -ccomplish -ment. I was here for like one day. But now, it's time. Try this time. Two. I wanted to. The last. Wow. Gosh, we are way far down the rabbit hole as one dolph. Participants are remixing previous Wanda offs soci- yellow about that. Like, what am I supposed to do? I think you just enjoy it. Yeah. I I'm not gonna young just too happy civically. My role is like I'm supposed to be thumbs down the remix. But this was. There was a point where I believe that. I heard Riemann that song. And I couldn't be sure if it was a remake like an actual remote or bream. The two are beginning to blend together. I also did enjoy Jeff finally calling Wendy big, Wendy, great joy that almost as much as I enjoyed when Jeff was like aren't necessarily get out of here. The past excuse me. Casey. Let me. Your story of the context of her asking to be big Wendy on the opening marooning. And Jeff saying, no, no, we're not. All right out of the way, podcast Oye. We're back. I was frail Mary. Mary number three. And all of one bats nation comes to us from a man who is no stranger to the one off here is Mr Michael Clarke five baby this exciting with a song about the life of David Wright. Three. Apparent. Food. David. What's the peace situation? Is. His boy. Could use. Just sad song from Eric car. Then. Josh how's your DVD shelf? To do something about it. And I too loud because past Michelle. I don't wanna offend it. I heard what happened with you. I don't want to repeat it. I'm trying to speak quietly about the subject, but it's time to clean the team. It really is really really is. Man. That's always makes me think of clueless, which is a happy memory because it's a Lisa SilverStone, saying the words, wait a minute. I love Josh. I'm totally but crazy in love with Josh. And let me tell you who is watching clueless was very excited about. Little behind the curtain. They're very exciting times. The number four so here in combat nation comes to us from tandem. That's no stranger to the top five. But are Robertson has never won. The won off will see if this is his weak back with Jordan Kayla to talk about a big moment in the show's run for one of the contestants. She had to fish. Winning that reward just showed us once again, Tommy tribes force to be reckoned with in the scam. We are completely dominated. And we're on this winning streak. However, it is in the back of my mind that Joe's biggest threat in this game. I would rather get him out of the steam sooner. Rather than? When you start. Say that. People see me. My name. To emerge. Having. Some things. Beautiful song. James lin-manuel Miranda. Man. I can't believe that Aaron was able to get Spencer. Offer them. It's so great Spencer's, really everywhere. Still. It's so good. He's everywhere. Only one wand off song here today marathon, one off after the double episode. Josh are you ready to hear five in all of wombats nation? Yeah. It's a collaboration between two legends of the one off for the very first time together DJ LaBelle Klein and Corey. Collaborated about something going on on extinction island. This way, we think. You too. Green. Undo. Was now. Wolfing? Joking. The. Maybe. About two. Mount beams. Green. Written. Something. Multi spend with. To fill. Great. Breen. Functional family I've ever met. That was a great shove from Randy maneuver. I like it. Five songs in all of bats nation. You can call or online at rob has a website dot com. Don't call website dot com slash VO Wanda and tabulated. Let us know on our first wiggle room after the survivor merge next week, man. Good luck voting people. Geez. Top five. Was a long morning going through the want us. Good times, though. Wow. That's so much fun. Josh, it's so nice stab you back here with us in the wiggle room. Until next time. Remember Cape your feet on the floor and keep your hands off the table case. Great job. Good case. Make fun of me for not having one of the podcasts out yet. It's kind of funny too, though, that was still Eiffel. Yes, of course, one again. Thank you. Randy new poll for all of your work getting everything onto the sound cloud as currently stands. I think we have thirty eight tracks uploaded to the sound cloud for this week vailable on Monday nights to the patrons of rob has podcast. 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Game of Thrones Re-Watch | Season 7, Ep #6: Beyond the Wall

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Game of Thrones Re-Watch | Season 7, Ep #6: Beyond the Wall

"Winter was here. But we are just getting started with our rewatch of the game of thrones season seven episode six beyond the wall. And now here the two guys who never get tired of wind djing. I am a rob cicirino here with Josh Wigley. Josh our you though in gene of winter. Yeah. It's all that. I've done since. I don't know. What did you and I start podcasting together like twenty thirteen twenty twelve just been whingeing percents? Yes. But artfully so. Sometimes. Yeah. Is just outright whingeing. You know? I don't wanna I wanna try and Rosie this thing up Rosie. I there is an art to it. And I feel like that you and I find find the ballots. We're pretty good. I mean, I don't think that we are quite as precise with our winching the night king is with an Icelandic. But it's close. Yeah. I have a lot to say about this episode, and I didn't joy on the rewatching, and we talked about this was two weeks ago that we last talked about this, and that you were not super excited about this one coming back in how did the rewatch hold up for you? Josh, I don't remember if I had said at the time or not. But I think it's better on rewatch. The episode plays better in retrospect, and I think it plays better. When it is like watched swiftly with the rest of the season. When I when I did my first rewatch of season seven before you and I started doing the weekly rewatch of season seven. I I really I the issues that I typically have with this episode or season general, which is a lot of. The flight times and all those logistics that can be a little weird in wonky didn't bother me quite as much. I think that beyond the wall is a very strong episode for much of it that the Santa and aria stuff is really awesome per week really week. Some of the some of the fight stuff is is a little whatever they really do Benjamin pretty dirty. I think in this episode. He really gets kind of a raw deal poor Benjamin. But there's there's a lot in here that I think is deserves a better deal benches. Yes, the very least a slightly deal. Then what was in to the Soad's? He's a stark. He's Ned Stark's brother on our have more to complain about them Benjamin stark, but Benjamin stark was cooler than a lot of Stark's. I mean, he was ranger burst ranger of the night's watch. This guy goes missing for so long. He becomes half. Zombie half dude, and he saves brand. And it's very cool. And then he shows back up for all five seconds where timing where John literally says uncle Ben gin and uncle Benjamin says get on the horse and John says come with me and uncle benjy says there's no time, and then he's ripped to bits, and that's it for this. And that is the that is the resolution to the young-chol Benjamin storyline. So I do think he got dirty. I'm fine. I'm good with Benji. I got a million other things to worry about with game of thrones. And uncle engine, man. Remember when we talked about uncle Benjamin in the in the context of bone, thugs and harmony earlier in the season. Yeah. Great pipe gassing woman as really good. Okay. All right. So let's go back through this episode. This is the penultimate of our rewatch episodes next time out we will discuss the most recent episode of game of thrones. Josh crazy, crazy crazies only it's almost upon us. While it's wild even consider that. Okay. All right. So the episode begins with everybody heading north out from east watch. And Josh I feel like there's so many of these little vignettes that are that are so fun. These character moments at the start of this episode, and I very hard to watch this and not have a big smile on your face off. This stuff is great. The character interactions are fantastic where people are dunking on Genry because he's a little dumb tormented being really funny with the hound the whole moment of like, you know, like this. There's a lot. There's a lot of fun stuff here. Seeing these character interactions is great Baruch who has so much Bravo toss. His conversations with John snow about the great enemy and the shared bond. These two guys have from having been killed before. But only temporarily it's great. It's super fun to see, you know, this like sort of Kerala seven together. It's really fun. Yeah. Anything strike you as a super important from these conversations other than all of the stuff. That's fun. Yeah. I mean, I think that there's you know, I think a lot of is just kind of character ability. You know, I think it's it's it's not so much. There's anything here that I think is going to be massively important for the future. I think the fact that John snow and barrack are going to have that conversation about the sort of the nature of death. And why they're still here. I still feel like something has to pay off with that. And I don't think that this episode satisfies that. Yeah. I think also the scene with John and Giora as they're walking where they have the discussion. Of out of the Lord commander Mormon and John tries to give long claw over to surge aura, and he refuses it. He wanted you to have it. He says to John snow may serve you will and your children after you, which I think is interesting considering you know, that I don't know if we have a confirmed conception with John, and Danny, but I think that's what we're leaning towards the end of next week's episode. Right. Have I said, I mean, they have. As berry Lincoln might tell you that we know never talk about the sex on the game of thrones. Is I said people don't say that. We don't talk enough about berry Lincoln on this five cast. But here you go, sir. You know, they certainly do of course. Absolutely. That happens and the bowl, right? I in Lincoln. Deniro's? We are we've been led to believe cannot conceive children based on the myrie master of it, all, and I think that it's fair to at least speculate that that that may not be the case for ever, and that Jon snow could be the father of deniro eventual unborn child and master. Yeah. She's a liar. Yes. She why do we take everything she says it phase? She also said that she was going to a fix call Drago. That was a lie. Yeah. She I mean, she made sure he lived I guess like a lot of stayed that way. Trickster? She is a trickster. So yeah, I think she's I think today will probably eventually be pregnant with John's child. There's three heads of the dragon that would track. And I do think that Jon snow will die again permanently before game of thrones is over I do more and more things that Dinares will be the Queen of west rose when this is all said and done. And so I think that there's there's something compelling about the idea that Jon snow heir to the iron throne child of radar. Tar Gary and won't be around by the end of this thing, but maybe his offspring will. And maybe that is the prince who is promised. Okay. All right. So I like it could work we go back to winner fell. We're gonna go back fourth to winner fell for a lot of aria and Sansa standoff and lot of tension there and aria is gonna monologue a little bit here. Josh. Yeah. And she was like, oh, remember when I was shooting, bow and arrow here, and it was super cool and brand was terrible at it. But I was really good at it. In case. You haven't watched the first episode. Oda longtime and remember how of these people who are still alive for watching like our dad. He was here. He was smiling. Because he knew that me being good at archery was cool. Even if the rule said that it was unin cool. He knew it was great, man. I miss that guy's dead. And it's because you did it you did it Sansa you have to kill him. Yeah. Dances. Yes. Yes. So she has this note and Santa tries to explain that was written under duress. I was a kid. I did I did what I had to do. I thought that they told me it was gonna save rob and Arias like, oh, did they put you on the rack? Did they torture you to day because I would never do something like this for the Lancasters? For instance, if I had to be Taiwian Lancaster's servant and Cup bearer. I would never do something like that for. Berg. They would have to kill me about that about that. Yeah. I know aria seems a little inconsistent with your own story. Oh, yeah. Well, how could I be hypocrite? If that doesn't happen in the books where you wearing a different face that day. All right now, I mean aria is being a so stubborn about this. I don't know if there's any kind of Rican textiles ation of this arc that will make it better. I've yet to find it. I think I think the idea that aria is having a hard time fitting back into winter fell. I think that's compelling. I think certainly considering the journey she's been on through. Six going on seven full seasons of game of thrones. At the point of this episode that that would make it hard for her to reactivate. Yeah. Noble life and being somebody who is part of a very important family rather than just being like a road warrior the way that she has been I think that there's a lot of incredible drama to mind from that. And I think that the way that they choose to drill into it is just baffling when it feels like there's gotta be like an ocean of oil beneath the surface of that. And they just choose to drill until like cement wall. It's going to yield nothing is fair. It's very odd. I think you just pointed out one of the flaws in the argument with the Cup bearer stuff. If it all that aria had a shot at time with my answer didn't take it. So why would she say like I would have let them kill me before. I betrayed my family. Doesn't make sense. I do I do love the juxtaposition of Santa what she has survived versus what aria has survived. I still just really don't like the way that it comes across here in this scene. Yeah. I mean, look if Sansa did have alterior motives of that she was plotting some sort of a power play in winter fell. Then maybe it's a different story where maybe you know, aria is a right to have these suspicions. But as far as we understand, right? I mean is Sansa considering some things some like underhand against John. No, she's not. She's not. And that's like the whole moral of the story. Is that the moment she realizes what little finger is trying to do. She kills little things. Right. She she has a Mexican it. There's no coup. That's developing in Santa's mind, there are thoughts from Santa like, I don't think that John's making the right calls here. And I think that you know, I have a better vision for what? Going on. And how do I explain that? And how do I defend his positions that doesn't make correct trader surro- freethinking, adult Santa? I also feel like behaves like a guilty party in this episode. Yeah. Definitely. It's just it's it's on the whole thing is I'd and I think that the presentation of it is really inelegant, and does does the viewer no favors in terms of being able to like cleanly clearly read it the way that I think it's intended to be read like could you imagine if you know way back when in like the second season, we were like, yo, hey, Josh, great news that aria and are finally going to get back together in season seven like, oh, that's going to be so awesome. And they're going to fight with each other over how winter fell is being run. Yeah. I think it's I don't know. I think that it may be. Sign that they are running out of things to do with these characters you know, as as are looking ahead at the final season. I wonder what that says about what they're planning for Sansa and aria I think that they need to get Santa and aria back on the same page. But in a way where their bond is is really strong. I think that they are much stronger by the end of the season. I think maybe that's going to help matters if they are to be working in unison, or if they are to be cruelly ripped away from each other at someone which is what I'm seeing which is what I think is going to happen. But they just do it in a way. That's just kind of a wet fart honest. Also, creepy brand could have really helped this situation. I think not so bold prediction is that the winter fell story line of the final season will be a lot better than the winter fell story line of the penultimate good. All right. Let's get back to the stuff going on beyond the w-. Wall. We touched on the conversation between torment and the hound about. How torment tells us at least for the first time that he wants to get with Brie and wants to have monstrous children with her that will rule the world. Yeah. He's he also caused him. You're the one they call it the dog, that's one of my favorite lines in game of thrones. Yeah. And you mentioned the conversation between Barrick and John about what you know. What's the point of us coming back and Barrick tells John snow the fighting or any king or a guide he's fighting for life. Yeah. We're soldiers in the fight for life death is the enemy the first enemy and the last John says we all die in barrack says the enemy always wins. But we still need to fight him. That's all I know you, and I won't find much joy while we're here, but we can keep others alive, and we can defend those who can't defend themselves. And I do think that what Barrick is describing here is not just barracks own arc. But also John's alternate arc that that feels very true to what we've gotten to know from. John snow over the course of several seasons. Now from the jump really EMA. John snow used to be a joke. But I think that there is some truth to the fact that John is a guy whose fate is consigned to some level of misery, but hopefully to the benefit of others. I don't think that John will know much joy in life. Even though he hails from the tower of joy, I think that perhaps that is that is part of the great irony of this man, you know. Okay. So they ultimately will reach the point that the hound recognizes from his vision. That's the Arrowhead that I saw in the fire. So we must be here. So we'll come back to these guys. We'll check in with Dani and Tyrian, and Danny is telling tearing how much she likes him because you know, what I like you. You are not a hero. She's kind of really unintentionally mean to Tyrian certain points of a roast, and it's and it's not a very funny roast either. Yeah. So like a comedy, central roast. Yeah. So why shading the comedy central roast? But not great. Seiner checks. Yeah. Yeah. By she's like, you know, you are not hero. And it's about you. Because you know, what heroes do that they go off and do stupid things. And then they die they die. And that's it. She also make a height joke. Yes. Well, when we get to talking about John snow because then she like rattles off all of these heroes who went off to do stupid things and died like like, call drogue. Oh, for instance. And then we have John snow in this category. Is another person who does stupid things and dies and Tyrian says. Yeah. And they all fall in love with you. She's Jon snow is not in love with me. Guess what wrong you're wrong? Yes. And then she had a nowhere comes out with. Oh, he's too little for me. John snow and like, oh, cool. Yeah. Thanks, okay. Expand that now, I know a kit Harrington is not exactly Shaquille O'Neal in terms of the height department. But I feel like that John snow's height has never been mentioned in the show before has it. It doesn't have to be mentioned in the show for it to be a thing. Yeah. But I feel I that spy eight five five eight. Yeah. Harrington's Harrington's five eight. He's kinda shortcut. I'd say this. Yeah. You know, so. So all right. Danny is not into. How tall are you by the way of five ten? Yeah. So you're you're taller than snow. Jon snow is sitting right in the middle of us. Literally right now, he's here is prefers not to speak on the podcast. Yeah. And so Jon snow is not in love with Dante. According to Danny tune it. It's like come on come on stop it. Let's let's not let's not beat around the Bush. But, but this is you know, Tyrian wants to get a couple of lines into Tyrian. And he's ready to talk Turkey or talk baby dragons as it were. And he wants to talk to you know, he wants to get more of a sense of generis like, what are you planning? Where is this going to go where where we what are we thinking about like dynastically? Are you going to are you are you gonna marry somebody or you can have babies and she's like what's not talk line of succession right now. That's a different show too. Good show. But that is it's got nothing to do with west rose, except it's also on HBO. Yeah. So she's not even have this conversation. And in fact, she's insulted. She feels like we why worry about aligning. Oh, who do you want me to name as the ruler? In case. I die. You. I mean, I don't know you're going to somebody or somebody else that you can get in there to conspire against me. Yeah. Listen, if I was there the battlefield there were aero is being shot at you. And you drag almost fell and died, and if you had died, this whole thing ends, so can we, you know, figure out some sort of solution where we don't have to worry about that. So hard to please. Yeah. Okay. So about it. She's shutting it down. We end of conversation. What do you? What do you think too narrow plan would be in this moment, if she were to speak, honestly and not be so offended by Tyrian? What do you think our plan for is like the dragon gonna rule dragons and charge? I don't know who's next in line. After the narrative, I think if she kind of had her pick probably misunder, I think that that would probably be her. VP Queen misunder. Yeah. Not does the hands takeover. If there's some sort of like, I mean didn't. I mean, isn't there already a secession plan? So as Tyrian in charge. I I mean, I guess the king dies like the hand of the king doesn't take over. But sort of like isn't like the hand of the king like functioned in the king's absence. Look the truth is generis dies. Then search probably stays in shark. Right. There's no claim. But once once in power, I'm not sure exactly how this works in a situation where there is no next of kin either way. She's just not here to talk about it at all. Yeah. So why are we talking about this come on? That's not going to happen in the next six that's for some sort of future game of thrones project. Oh game of thrones Butuan like that's ounce fun. Like do game of thrones show that set like five thousand years in the future and they've got fly. Cars to go there flying dragons. Yes. Yes. Let's see what happens. Things really progress in the US rose time line, and it's a cool idea. Okay. All right. We're going to really get some action going on here because we spot something in the distance. What is that is that a dog? The dog. The now, it's it's a blue eyed bear. Yeah. Yeah. It's a blue eyed bear, and it's it's angry careful Mackie's angry. He's angry. This is pretty terrifying. Zombie polar bears are attacking zombie. Bear is definitely screwed up. I feel like this is probably not the scariest zombie thing that we will meet by the end of the show, but up to this point. It's it's up there. Yeah. Pretty scary is mauling and killing red shirts things. There's a couple of them two of them. Yeah. This is one of the things too that I think that this episode gets knocked for a little bit is, you know, there's so much focus on the main characters who are on this expedition thorough is going to die, but like kind of like chump, and then a bunch of red shirts who you don't even really realize are even on the trip. Yeah, they really stay to themselves. You know, these I think they're just like random free full who just like get massively murdered. Real reason here I suicide mission of they're they're just a chum the waters for the whites a little bit. Because like you can't like go through this without losing some lives. It wouldn't be a realistic. But we can't afford to lose anybody important. Yeah. We've still got six episodes left to go. It's really critical that Joe Mormon still around for all of that. Now thorough ends up getting mauled pretty bad here. But he does make kind of a miraculous recovery for a bit. I always remember the way that thorough screams when he gets hit by the. Is very very messed up in barracks. Go uses flaming sword to cauterize the wound which like straight out in the Jack Bauer playbook. Yeah. But no thorough should have just been dead there. I don't like he did not go on to have like some other poignant moment in the episode, right? I mean, he has this moment with Giora where he's talking about the pike. And this is the reason why thorough says kind of been a legendary character in west rose that he was part of this. Yes, he was part of the quelling the rebellion at the iron islands. He light burst through pike with wild abandon and fought. Like, no one had ever seen before. And throws. It's not quite humble pie. Maybe it's like humble ale that he is drinking. Whereas like, I was just very drunk. Just just me. Just just me. For him before I feel like that. We've already gotten that story. I don't know. I mean, we heard this story before of him fighting, but I don't remember Thoresen himself ever. Like, really like, you know, commenting on it himself gotten story. Oh, he's a legendary drinker and was drunk, and then how you can. Sure. Sure. Sure you put two together. But I like I like hearing it from him. And then I think the thing that you do get from thorough later on is when they're kind of sending him off. It's sort of a little bit of a solidification of everybody like understanding like the weight of undertake undertaking. It's real it's real real thorough. Yeah. All right. So we go back to Sanson little finger. And this is like saying like, oh my God. What do we do? She knows little finger. Oh my God. Oh my God. What are we going to do now and on its own going Golding? Yes. Yes. And we didn't really talk this through but aria is talking through what Santa is scared of. And it's not that John is going to find out because John's and understanding guy. But what about these northern lords? How are they going to react if they read this? No and Santa's trying to say, oh, I was just a little girl. Like oh. Are you going to tell that to lady Mormon who's younger now than you were when you wrote that letter you think she's going to buy that? So you're gonna lose this whole army, and that's what you're afraid of which I don't know why REO would be trying to force that issue either to get all of the northern lords to leave winter fell. Yeah. And I think that Santa this a little bit much ado about nothing first of all yon, Royce is going nowhere as much as we'd like him to know. He's locked in. He's team Santa all the way. So she expresses this news. He's. Gonna be like listen you were a kid. We're here. Now, we're locked in. We've already made the moves like we didn't go through the battle of the bastards for nothing. I think that the rest of the northerners who've already agreed to fight beside wild. Things are going to be like look that sucks that that happened. You were a kid. You're not a kid anymore. You're clearly team stark these days, you're clearly fighting against the Lancasters and fighting for the living. I wish that hadn't happened, but we're like nine years removed from that point, you know, this is move on. So the whole thing is just a a little bit hollow. And obviously will not stay now is little finger trying to set up here that hey, maybe Bryanne could be an ally for aria best to figure out some Erin to send Bryanne on because aria could go to Bryanne, and then Bryanne coud be somebody in Arias corner, where she has nobody else all of this stuff from little finger really just speaks to how much he's terrible at all this like he talks about chaos being a ladder and everything. But in this case like chaos is a sawed ladder like Kevin McAllister, sawed the ladder, and I stay Kevin. Mr. sawed the ladder? And it's just it's gonna fall apart lake has to have been a straighter shot here. Then like coming up with the letter reproducing the letter getting Santa to be mad at Ariaria mad at Sansa. And we got us send Brienne away because she could be a problem. There's just there's no better way to take care of the aria deal than the way you're going about it. But he underestimates the Starks undoing. So I don't know. It's all it's all kind of dumb, honest to be honest. It's just a little dumb. All right. So Giora and thorough. So that when they had their conversation as they are, you know, hiking up to the place where they are going to see a few of these sold white soldiers walking around. Yeah, they find the white Walker and they fight the white Walker, and they fight the whites and John taking a page straight out of hard home. He's able to shatter one of the white walkers into oblivion with one swing of long claw, which I think is instructive towards the future. Right. And we're going to get later on in the episode to barracks. Like, maybe just got to kill the night king, and everyone will drop it's like, okay? So now, I know games thrones is gonna end kill the night king and the white walkers wall be deceased like that, you know, take that to the Bank bet big money on that that's going to happen. That's how that's how they're going to deal with the white walkers. Eventually they got to kill the night. King Nike dies. This problem goes. Away. Good to know. But they also they're able to bag one of the whites are able to to put a hood on on the on the whiten lock them up and bind him, but they didn't gag him in time because this thing is screaming to high heaven and everybody else can hear John kills the one white Walker, and then all of the whites around collapse except for this one. This was like the one like rogue stray that this particular white Walker didn't turn I guess very lucky. Yes. Okay. So he was one of these things was not like the others. And I mean, I think that's a little strange how how hard could it have been to just like have all of the the whites here? Get killed the battle. The commotion is enough to draw what happens out anyway, and they wind up in the frozen ice lake and at some point in that battle they can't like hot. Tie a white. Maybe that would have been better matter. No, don't don't ask me to show. I should not should not be in charge of these. So. Yeah. That bad as the one that they capture start shrieking like tries to cover. It's mouth and bites. Yeah, it's not Walking Dead rules because so far that has not turned. He is not turned. And we start hearing big noise. Sounds almost like an avalanche is coming. But no it is the army of the dead. Yeah. They're on the way, and it's bad news. And they really need. They're gonna need an assist. They're going to need to get word out to deniro's. And so they send Ganji on on the Aaron because he's he's the fastest. Yeah. Gandhari run for it. And leave that hammer leave that war hammer with us torment just really wants the hammer you really wants it. It really was. Yeah. I know a lot woods made at the time about the Genry running back to east watch didn't bother me that much here. It doesn't bother me that much ITO life is hard. There's a lot to be miserable about I'm choosing not to be miserable about Genry getting to east watch really really fast, sending raven really really quickly deniro's receiving the raven having enough time to like sued up until like very elaborate snowsuit and fly her dragons from dragging stone, which is basically king's landing. All the way beyond the wall. All within the span of what do you want to call it forty eight hours, seventy two forty one. I think is is generous. I mean, I think the show presented as like maybe they are on the ice patch like overnight, maybe like ten or twelve hours. They don't give you enough information. I think never turns dark, but it might be like one of these Alaska situations where you know, you're you're so far north that may be it stays sunlight, they're shooting in Iceland, man. And I'll tell you, that's that's what happens in those winter months in is lend you get like, or I guess the summer months, rather is where it's like, you know, these Saudi out Pacino movie, that's not Iceland. But it was daily the whole flip and time Robin Williams was a psychopath. So these guys are lucky, Robin Williams isn't around. Yeah. I I actually bought Genry running for two or three hours. You know, got back to. I don't know how long they were on the March from maybe they didn't get that far away from east watch. They were walking the whole time if he's running if he's by himself. Maybe he just knows a shortcut that didn't bother me. But they get the rave into Danny? And then to get Danny up that does seem like that would take more time. Look, I mean, I'm not gonna defend it. I don't think that there's much of a defense injury running Shusha Shishir. I'm not coming after us all active. Everything's gonna be fine. Everyone's going to be okay. I think that. People. Some people are going to be pretty poor off by the end of this thing. It's just I can't I cannot be mad about it. If I Lau myself to be mad about it. I will be mad about it. And my life will have source of agony that it does not need. So I don't think it's great I do maintain. I think that this is just like going through. It's like this or the dance of dragons season. Five is the worst penultimate episode of the show, and I give dance with dragons a bit of a pass because heart home comes before it. And I think that that has the energy of ultimate. So I think that this is the weakest, and I think that this is part of the reason why is that there are some logistical loopholes that don't fully make sense. And I think that you could make the argument if you squint that sure they're out there for a week in their super hungry, and they're really really cold in the night king and all people are just standing there watching for wing to do. I guess they're not even like sending one of their like thousands of expendable whites to like field tests, the lake. Yeah, they have to wait to see a rata. How to throw a rock, you know? All right. Well. If you allow yourself to get mad. I'm I'm really trying not to but it's I find myself being tested. Okay. So this is actually pretty cool when they're surrounded. They're sort of the end up going out on this sheet of ice. And then the army of whites is surrounding them and they start walking. But then it ends up turning into like a moat of that the ISIS cracking all around them. So they're on sort of like this very small island of ice kind of has like a rock protruding from it. And they're just set up there. They're stuck. Yeah. They're stuck there on the rock. Is a much smaller rock than the one featured in the film, but it's enough for them to camp out on for a little while, and it will be the last piece of solid ground throws of MIR shall ever touch. Yeah. So Gandhari he ends up. He's running running running. He makes it to east watch. It looks kind of like he dies. He's like a right in front of east watch. Yeah. I think that's the end of Ganji for the season. If I'm remembering right? Okay. That's a wrap on Gandhari. Make get to see him for a hot second in the financial hot Pijesak and coming up in the season finale will watch for that next week. All right, Gandhi says a raven. So they do get that raven out out the door. Hurry, spicy. Simply this is when we would be benefiting from future game of thrones. They had cell phones. Text the text is all made sense. It would be really easy and then over on ice island the hound he's bored. He's like he's he kicking the white. Yeah. He's like beating it up. You know, it's like, hey, how the whole mission was to get this thing. Back in one piece like let's not like hands off the merchandise. He's very very antsy. Very frenetic guys indoor clicking I prefer netted guy. So they see thorough now. He's gone. He's dead. He's dead. We'd better light them up. Because if they don't and he's gonna come back, and we don't want that bear gets to come back with Orestis not the hand says here of a say, it's one of the better ways to go to be mauled by Arezzo freeze to death, which one. I mean, I guess like the bears on memorable. Yeah. It wasn't any consolation for the hound when he showed up at that house. That was with the people that were outside of. Where the river run people. Oh, well, that's the way to go free. Yeah. Maybe he's just like trying to rewrite the narrative because he feels bad. Yeah. Okay. So they're realizing the free soon. But wait hold on. There is one other chance if deniro doesn't get to them. Somebody could kill the night king this barracks theory. That's the guy. Yeah. We got we we've killed a bunch of we killed a white Walker all design as dropped if we kill the night king. Maybe they all drop, and you know, a, yes, right? I mean dowry on the same page make sense. And that's like that's going to happen. Right. Like, you're gonna see the night king get like like dragon glass in the nose or whatever. And then we go super wide shot for like from above like, shh. And like all these other people have like they're in their corner near death situations and suddenly there, okay? Is the Nikes dead. And all of his peeps are dead. That's happening. Some some version of that is happening. So yes, be I still just don't get like how everyone knows so much about the night king. That's the night came who told you that. Who said night came back on their into a tour. One time of beyond the wall may. Episode. Okay. I know you've posted about run times for season six. Josh wig ler game owns expert. Or t HR what? A series. I gonna go with the penultimate fab sewed five. Yeah. I think I think the finale will be some sort of like may twelve I think the finale will be like some sort of extended epilogue type of deal. Okay. Where that'll be why characterize Aleutian in west resolution, and I still feel like I can imagine the white Walker thing getting dealt with. And then seriously being like, I think you're right. I agree. You guys suck. You guys suck. You should've been worried about me in tired. And here I am. I got the golden company and you're screwed. There's no motion stakes to the night king. None that we really have yet. You know, maybe that'll change the actor did give an interview to James Hibberd of Entertainment Weekly and said like we'll find out a little more about the night king. And now he's got like an enemy in his mind. There's someone is after so there's like some motivation for this. Yeah. He does. Something something smoke. Yeah. So we'll see who his ops is. I would assume it's brand. Because if it's John or it's generis in this episode Nike has like the clearest shot at both goals. Look at their. So. Yeah. So we're going to go back to when fell we have seen with Sansa, and with Bryanne, and Santa has got an invitation to appear before sir c and she tells Bryanne she wants her to go do it and Bryanne is like, oh, but didn't they do this for you last season radical running errand the river run? She's like do it again, kicked out of my sight Bryanne. Yeah. It's really means a Bryanne Santa's Bong right into little fingers little trap at this morning. Yes. I guess I guess she has no other explanation. I go to at this point. Yeah. I think at this point she's buying go to plan is this just so Bryanne can be there when everybody is in king's landing next week. I think it's kick out Brienza. For the show's perspective of we just want Bryanne to be there when everybody else's there. I think that they should have allowed Brienne to go on this mission north of the law. I think it'd been fun all that sexual tension with torment would've melted that ice sheet. Yeah. But then she could've just kick the crap out of him, and it would have been like very very satisfying. And funny. But whatever I mean, I think that would have been an easier way than to have to go through this whole aria Sansa rigmarole. Going through Tyrian is with Danny. He is imploring her to not go and do this quite a reversal from Danny who is bemoaning earlier in the episode about all of these guys who are heroes. They go out. And they they do dumb stuff, and they lose their lives have trying to be a hero and save the day. And now here's Dani being put in that very situ same situation, and she is the one going out and Tyrian is like, no, no, no don't do. This is crazy. Yeah. But it turns out that Danny. She is John snow fan zones. She's gotta go go. Save her. Boy, gotta go get her. Boy. Okay. All right. Tearing says if you're lost will all die. Yeah. Elusive? Okay. Meanwhile, time has passed an hour a day a week who knows seven thousand years past the hound is getting so bored. That he is throwing rocks. Some. Somehow are rocks here on this frozen lake there on a giant rock. So be rocks on the boulder, I guess so older moments. And so the hound is just going to start throwing rocks. Does a a really good job? Got a great arm here on this. I throw noble really war dogs the second throw and. Are you dog? The one they call it. The wall dog and comes up way short and then the rock slides across to the white who then with deductive reasonings. Oh, if this rock can slide across the ice. Maybe I can I do I do feel myself getting a little worked up like why didn't you just send some of these people who cares? I'm trying don't get hung up on the just like this. Well, I reverse oil does feel a little bit that way. Just kind of dumb dumb. It's not even just that. It's like what -gistically week and weird. It's just like narrative a little done. There wasn't a better way of telling the story. I don't know. I'm trying not to get mad trying to the fighting. Here. Here's I guess where I'm not getting hung up that this whole thing is a cool set-piece. It's interesting setup. I haven't seen this before in a show or movie where people are trapped on and, you know, people are trying to get get through like, the ISIS gonna crack I feel like that. This was a unique setup there stranded there. And I enjoy the presentation. Sure, sure, okay. Now things are really going to heat up. Because now everybody's coming across the ice fit hits the Shan is it is battle battle royale time where there's all sorts of fighting happening and. Like Andries hammer is being used and Giora who is a master swordsman for some reason is using these two dinky dragon glass daggers, but it kind of looks cool in his hands. John, Scott, long claw. There's all sorts of so many shirts or dying their dying. Johnstone gets one of them straight up killed accidentally knocks into one of these oops, drums, so celery. And then the guy falls red shirt ripped to bits bits. Lerman getting almost. Was going to go out there. I think in the in the real time, I thought torments going to die. Yeah. And I think I certainly I've written this into the torment final path that I am going to be posting at some point in the next couple of weeks on HR. If not have said this on the podcast, if I haven't said on the podcast torment is like the safest person in game of thrones. Now, like, I feel like if torment didn't die in this moment where he would have had one of the most memorable deaths of any character. He would have been like the frigging Noah of game of thrones. That I was the guy's name, right? Revolving door, dude. Yeah. You know, but that was a member of we gross death. That's almost what they gave to torment like they almost gave him the private Hudson from 'Lions treatment, which is a really memorable death net movie. Sorry spoiler Raelians if you haven't seen aliens, but it's early good five. I know I didn't specify Walking Dead. But you just did. They could have done that. And they didn't do that. And then he's at the wall at the end of the season when the walls, but the trailer straight up shows torments still kicking. So if I didn't die here. And if he doesn't fall in the wall torments never gonna die. And he's also the only wild Ling that we know anymore. And if there was so much ado about getting the wild things out of beyond the wall and into the realm. And if there is this undercurrent of an argument in favor of putting aside, your enmities and fighting for the living and not being so uniformly afraid of the concept of refugee in the form of the Wilding story line. I can't kill the only Wilding you know, tournament is my safest pick for game of thrones. Okay. All right. Do you think about that? I think it's a it's a really good one. I think that we should add to a potential death draft of season seven we have to do a safe. Raft. Yeah. We've got we've got prediction podcast coming up at some point in the next couple weeks. We've got time. Okay. All right. Then we are going to see things really slowdown things are getting bleak. We're going we're going slow. Mo are we at sixty frames per second. I wasn't counting but things are really slowing down. And this is how you know things are getting tents in any action movie. The slower things are going. That means there's a lot happening. Yeah. And it's the perfect time for day sex dragon. Leave. Fire. Whoa. What was that? It was the dread that was drogue on fire. Give drogue on standby that was. Whoa. You feel the dragon breath on your face from the side of the Mike. I'll chew some gum before the next podcast Dabbagh to please do. Meli? Okay. The dragon fire is coming across. And like, luckily doesn't just completely melt the ice. They're standing on ice, meet fire fire meet, and you know. I'm I've been fairly cynical in this stage of the episode, but this fricken cool. It's very cool to see dragons versus white walkers. That's that's what we've been waiting for for so long. I think it's going to it's going to continue to be awesome. Every time we see this this clash, but the night gang. He ain't scurred. No, he's not. And so he sort of like, you know. Loosening up his arm in the bullpen. He's got his ice javelin, and we see in the shot and the camera is like behind the night king, and he's kind of like the easiest shot on drogue on. Yeah. Drug is just sitting there. They're getting they're like loading in drogue on everybody's looking for a place to put their carry on drug on. He's right there drug on his right there night king instead is going to go and hit the moving target Besir. Ian, who's flying around in the sky, the Nike just showing off here? Josh what's happening axing? It's a flex weird flex, but. Okay. Yeah. He's flexing. I mean, this is the guy who just like threw up his arms at hard homes. Come at me, bro. Gonna come for John snow there to the way that this guy is able to just like with pinpoint accuracy shoot a dragon out of the sky. He clearly could have done that to Jon snow back in the day. Didn't didn't care to he's going to kill the Syrian here. Because he can I think it's just a display of dominance. And I think it's a full disregard for the threat level of everybody else or it's like you guys could stay alive. That's fine. I'll I'll kill you soon. This is this is easy. Yeah. It's too easy to to kill you Moi fast seal as one of the cousins would say. You know, I feel you know, just like just just shoot the guy. Don't go for the axe. Yeah. Evil of the night. Yeah. Baby. You wanted to drag with the fricken laser beam on its head. Sara let let me give the night king some credit here is it possible. He needed a dragon. But for whatever reason the night kings, purpose he needed John and Danny to get out of there with drug on. Yeah. Maybe maybe there's there's. Greater idea that he has that involves John Danny I suppose hard to see what that would be. But not off the table by more likely. This has been an episode that has a little wobbly and weird. And so this is just like kind of another like wobbly and weird move and no one likes viscera, so no one likes Bassiri on. And so that's the dragging. You can stand to lose here. Always the one that translates most easily to becoming an evil drug. So very sad Syrian he's crazy rip down from the sky ends up crash landing into the water sinks down into the ice. Like, you know, blood gushing out super set moment in this episode, really, really sad. It's a very intense scene. It's done very well shot very, well, but the Lance and at the scene, and the horror is palpable in terms of the impact on the characters the impact on the viewer like really helps to stress the idea that like, wow. Take on the white walkers is going to be that's going to be tricky. That's going to be a deal. Yeah. It's good. It's a really good seat. But Jon snow. He feels like he has a straight shot for the night king and similar to Jamie Lancaster a couple of sodas ago. When drogue on was a sitting duck sitting. Wagon. Like, I mean, like he is absolutely right now at this moment. Yeah. That John snowfields like, hey, I can end the war right now. I could end the war, and he is going to make a beeline for the night king. But similar Jamie who ends up getting knocked out of the way by Braun, then to redshirt whites and white shirts, just like tackle John documents of ice. News in the lake mode Lamotte's. No, yeah. Lake effect snow lake affects DOE off. God Dido with some of that at school. Right. It's. As all the rage and Cirque us. Yeah. Josh. So Jon snow. He says Danny before you go going me outta here. Leave bench and will be here for five seconds. I'll be fine. Don't worry. Okay. So Danny takes him up. She leaves. She gets the hell out of there. Giora almost falls off drogue on Nike almost throws thing at drug on. But they're able to GTO. So it's all good. Yeah. Such clear shot before. Off flex. But I mean like he could he could have also thrown that at drogue on. And then thrown like a bunch of mini lances at each individual on drogue on that also have been impressive and would have killed more people. So if he was gonna flex that may have been the most impressive flexi could've done. Okay. So Jon snow somehow gets out of the incredibly cold water and like long claws out on the thing. And then when he splashes up looks like long claw opens his eye, and me and all the other John snow conspirists conspiratory A-List spirit conspirators was the word. That's the word. I'm an English major. I swear everyone's like what does that mean? But it's just water getting on the eye, and it makes it look like the white Rangers soared from power injures, which is kind of funny. Yeah. John gets up. And here comes all on coop engine. And he says uncle engine and uncle vengeance. Is. Up and go von time, invented the can't talk to you about that get out of here, and John snow is like oh my God. It is so crazy that you're here. Because one time I got killed. He told me like that you were here. Kind of there's some resentment with Benjamin I died for you. All right. I'm gonna die for you. Go get out of here. Yeah. It's even John Webber believed that uncle Benjamin is dead. Even after all this. All right. So John is going to get on the horse, and he's gonna ride for east watch. And uncle Benjamin with his swinging flaming fire thing is gonna guess he's get mobbed by all of these things. That's it. That's just the end. That's fine. That's enough pension. I guess it. Just it does just like worry me that like sometimes like the do do David Benny often, Dan ways feel like they just have to kind of like solve a game of thrones thing because they feel like compulsion to solve it. And is it just going to be done as kind of just haphazardly as the as the bench and resolution? Yeah, I think you might be more invested in local engine from the books. I think that's likely, but I think one of the little to no investment on your engine. Sure. But I think that it's one of those lingering cliffhangers that a lot of people who did read the books variance student knowing what the resolution to that is. Going to be I imagine it'll be different from what we got here. If we're lucky, even if we're not then I guess that's different resolution is the lack of one it just makes me wonder about the the the creative thinking behind other resolutions still to come. Okay. All right. So we go back to east watch. There's another really funny line. You're where. Barrack said, Stu. We'll meet again Klay gain. And the has. I hope not. I hope not love the hand the one they call it. The dog. Okay. Interesting. We say this foreshadowing all these dragons flying over Eastwood here in this the exteriors for this. Sure could say that what state because we are one episode away from another dragging flying by east watch. Yeah. Yeah. Also, we've been saying the podcast leading up to it. But the gigantic crossbow obviously foreshadowing the ice Lance that the night king is able to use to take down Massereene. So good job game of thrones. You did it. Giora is trying to get denarius. Like, all right. Come on Danny time to go. I mean, I don't know what hope she had the John snow was going to make it out. I mean, it's the miracle of all miracles that they saw him fall in the water. Right. But she herself has phone quite hard for the king of the north not ready to give up just maybe she has some sort of like a sixth sense out there that I feel like my nephew is alive. Oh my God. Barter? Yeah. But they did a lot more than just like the kiss in the half medic bang. So awkward very awkward. John snow is going to end up somehow not falling off this magical horse and ends up making it to the gate shades of the season four finale of game of thrones. Yeah. That's right, less EROs in him. This time Jon rides bash castle blower EROs. He's back. He's fine. He's okay. Get him on the boat and on the boat time. He is injured from his love interest here riding back to his love interest. How that? Because he does know something. So they get them on the ship. Take off his shirt, why wouldn't you and? Type of thermal shirt back on my God. Look at this thing. He's got the scar. In his chest. I'm pretty sure that when he said he got stabbed in the heart. It wasn't a joke. Pretty sure that's legit. Okay. All right. Hey, meanwhile, to go back to Santa aria. So okay, Santa is snooping through Arias stuff for she wants to get the hard copy of that letter back. Yeah. Okay. She's already seen it. I mean, what is going to? But okay. So she's gonna break into the Watergate hotel into get these documents back now from aria. And instead, she finds a what's this mission impossible masks are issues. Like, I see my face jacomb faces. Sarai your Doug Ray Scott over there. Offer Bagga faces. And then I had I got chills when Arias said so Sansa do you wanna play the game of faces like, no? Oh my God. This is like you merging the shadows the death star to just like rage. Lightsaber this storyline guide consume you. Oh, became of faces if you will play their game basis than perhaps she will. So Arias students a lot of monologue. Ing in this episode again when remember Sansa when we were younger, we both wanted to be other people now, I can what would it be like to be you? What would it be like to wear your face like, all right psycho? It's definitely weird facing is I. I. Face. Yeah. Oh, God, very very Hannibal Lecter junior right here. But then aria takes that cat's paw dagger. And like she's like holding it like immense thing way, and she just hands. It's this answer. Do it. Whatever. It's like, nah, I'm just gonna let you think about how creepy all this is never never make me play the game faces. Yeah. Okay. All right. Let's go back to John. And Danny and John is saying I'm sorry. He says I'm sorry. I wish I wish we never did this. And that did get me thinking like this plan was dumb. Why did they do this? This was all to go north of the wall all this loss of life. We lost the Syrian all all to get a white Walker to bring to sir. See so sir c will agree to the armistice that you're gonna blow. Anyway, like it wasn't even like. To win the war or to kill the night. King. I forgot that. This was all just to get the thing to go to bring sir see as exhibit A. So that they can have an arm insist when they could just go and destroy, sir. See with the dragons. Yeah. Just destroyed. Yeah. Yeah. So you know, I had to see it. If I didn't see I wouldn't have known. Now I've seen it now. I know she's taking it rather. Well, to be honest. Yeah. So I think this was really interesting though, that denarius talks about how the dragons are my children and the children that I'm ever going to have. And I started thinking about this because there's so much talking game. Thrones about sir c and the break that she has Wayne she loses her children and much like Dinara, sir. See also had three children, and I feel like that really the start of, sir. Sees major harm Seidel psychotic break. I think starts to really take shape when she loses Joffrey. And I think that she's more and more income. Sola bottle and more and more out of control as she loses more of her children. And I wonder is it possible. Now that Danny has lost vissarion. Could she lose a second dragon and could this push Danny more in the mad king slash C Lancaster direction. Or would she be the opposite example right of like she's able to kind of rise above the grief and rise above the tragedy. And it's like through these fires that she demonstrates why she actually is where the for the iron throne. I would I'd be more inclined to think that's the direction we're going with the nurse. I think to Narus is hero with an occasional mean streak rather than some hero who's going to careen towards full villain. I just don't I don't see that for her in the following episode next week. I don't think that she is really like all on tilt after. The loss. She's like fairly, you know, she takes it reasonably well. I mean, she's obviously upset here. But she's she's like straight business. She's less emotional than John John who's going to make this like I have to stick to my morals decision deniers like hit my drag diet. So that we could do this. Up. She's she's the one who's like all about staying. The course. So now going back to the conversation that they're having that John is telling a denarius that she is his Queen. He would Bendini if he could get out of this bed. You know, it's like a real like grandpa, Joe if if I get out of this bed. There's so many things I could do I never thought that. I would find night king is white walkers. Suddenly I can't kneel because I've been giving hypothermia got the golden company I've got Valerian tick. So he's been the knee. If I could she's like. Would you? So nice near such a good guy. And it's all because he's embarrassed that he said, Dan, he's like, oh, no one called her, Dan. I got to think of something really good to make up for that. Yes. Shakoor mcqueen. Yeah. But going back to earlier in the there's a moment where John is talking to torment and John talks about how that he would not been the knee in torment talked about how you spend too much time with the free folk you don't like bending the knee. He's manse Reiter was a great, man. A proud man the king beyond the wall never been the knee. How many of his people died for his pride? And I think that that stuck with John. Yeah. Look at torment spouting out the wisdom. I think it's term in like setting the stage for for run at the book. Yeah. The matter at the thrown, but he's like I really wanna be king three folk early. I really would like that spot. I would like it for it's not just be ceremonial. Yeah. I also like this little self serving when he talks about like, oh, Finally, I can breathe again crass. Gravel. Master in. Ninety nine votes for term and. So is like. I can't breathe in the south John. It's like you've never been to the south. You you've been so winner films the north to south to me. It's this after him. Yeah. Him. Anyway, deniro sells them get some rest. You got a busy episode next week. Yeah. We're gonna have time time. All right. Meanwhile, meanwile. See this big moment here at the end of the episode which makes up for a lot here in this episode of somehow the whites got these Maistre chains going we don't know where they came from. But they got them and as in drag vissarion out of the cold in icy waters and the Nikes like all right? You're Magaya now in vissarion wakes up, and it's like cool. I'm your guy. I believe those are exact quotes from the end of this episode of game of thrones. We've got we've got an undead dragging on our hands. Rob. And some scary stuff. Okay. All right. And the Syrian is Seraing. Be true chilling moment. No pun intended. It's cool. I it's definitely qua- that shot of his areas. I opening and it's just like white Walker. Blue is definitely a cool moment. It's like great. The Nike really needs another leg up. This is good. Yeah. Okay. So we'll see we'll see what happens that season seven. It's a little bit of like The Empire Strikes back of seasons where the bad guys really get a foothold between, sir. C consolidating all of her power the night. King really knocks down the wall. Good guys are on the ropes. Yeah. That's kind of game of thrones though. I think even thrones mostly Empire Strikes Back with the occasional e walkout burst. Yeah. Typically, bad bad news pretty much. Everyone's always frozen in carbonite. We'll see especially north of the wall. Okay. Josh next time out. We will record the final episode of the winter was here saga. Are we gonna banned in the winter was here branding when we get to the final season. I feel like so don't we want to be completion est? A couple years. We can go back and watch these new episodes. All right. Well, maybe you guys tell us. I like I like it when you started episode, and you say winter was here and. I'm gonna miss say game of throne. Eights premier is over. Okay. All right. Okay. Yeah. All right. I'm sure it'll sound fine. All right. Josh wig ler is pumping out. All the game of thrones information that you need to know over at HR dot com slash game of thrones. So much happening over there. What's what's the latest and greatest? So the latest is the most recent final path column, which is the weekly columns. I've been doing that have been looking back at the main characters game of thrones. And giving final predictions for where I hope and think they may be going in the final season. I wrote about the dog sand Orkla gain as my most recent addition of final path Sunday, you're going to be you're going to be getting my takes on Brienne of tar again that those post at nine forty five AM east coast time on Sundays. But then rob this weekly column is going to transform much like this Zarian. Turning into an ice dragon. These weekly columns are gonna become daily. What's resort? We have so many characters to get through with final path that. Dude. Get out of here. I will not starting with the Brienne final path this coming Sunday every day from then until the Friday before the premiere will be a new final path. So I've been writing fast and furiously much like the movie franchise that torment giants pain briefly appears in about these game thrones characters, and I invite you to to check it all out and then next week, rob. We'll have one more episode of game of thrones season seven to talk about and we will officially be in the full ramp up for the final season of this majestic television series. All right. So I'll happening here on post show. Recaps check out our Walking Dead recap as well with Jessica lease myself all at post show. Recaps dot com to everybody have a good one by.

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Survivor Wiggle Room: S37 Episode 6 with Josh Wigler

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Survivor Wiggle Room: S37 Episode 6 with Josh Wigler

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When you sign up a place that order of twenty dollars or more. That's Ed grove dot CO slash rob. That's grow dot CO. Not dot com dot CO slash rob. Josh. Learn. Learn. Learn learn. Yeah. That's right. Josh wig ler. I'm so cold in my apartment right now that I am actually wearing a jacket is why I am glad that I'm not on the islands of survivor here. I have the luxury of wearing a coat I'm wearing like a park Natalie. Yeah. She didn't lend me her code. I have my own. Okay. Thank God by raising wiggle room. Here this week. Why is it so cold in New York? It's very cold. It's very cold right now. The temperatures have been have been switching back and forth where some days you're looking at like highs of seventy two today we're in. We're firmly in the fifties category on the heat in the apartment, it's not working. Rob the Heat's out. He's not worked out eats out eats out. And even if the news out, even if the heat was on he was ethan's on. I would have to keep it off because you'd hear it in the bow podcast. But at least I would have been able to warm up the room. I go like a pre bake like pre reheat premium ever, that's your process before the podcasts are prebaked. No not anymore now for about a year. Now been I've been way. Okay. All right. Josh wig layer. So very excited to be talking with you here at the survivor merge. It's them merge. Baby were some of the merge. Mama say oh my God. Yes. The pre merge of survivor. David versus Goliath is in the books, and it is the best pre merger survivor history. Don't at me. Okay. Well, you've been saying all season long the best of best season ever Donut me most. So. Cetera. As is the best player to ever be eliminated in the sixth episode of a season Donut me. Wow. I was Mike blooms obviously, not true. Yeah. Okay. All right. Well, you'd have to say, obviously. Notice respectively. I like your purple hair. Real napalm Wigley move. Excuse me. I don't have any napalm. I don't know what what the equivalent of my napalm would be. It's like wimpering Wigley. That's what I've got. All right. Well, we're going to talk through everything that happened here in episodes, not everything, but a little look through a bunch of things that happened here in episode six, and then we will look ahead to the survivor merge. And just like we did after the swap very unsuccessfully later on. We will do our who's getting voted out at the merge draft coming up. So we will continue that way. That'll go poorly. That's probably not getting we can't with nearly as bad as we did with the who's getting voted out at the swap merge. Well, that's because we're going into the merging literally everybody is going to be at that tribal council. So at the very least, whoever we draft will be in attendance. Whereas if you recall to the people who are listening, we drafted people for who will be the swap boot. And we did not draft a single person who is at tribal council that week. Right. Right. So badge up. Look how we supposed to predict who's going to lose the challenge. I mean, that's but yeah. But this kind of thing is kind of our job, right? We get a little closer on that. Speaking of losing the challenge. So we got the see the very interesting. Challenge. I did really like that the tribe with Nick and Mike who we heard a wand off all about how Nick and Mike or cats carried a giant saucer? But it should have been filled with milk now. I believe I saw Mike bloom. Tweet much the same thing on the night of. Episode and then connected with me right away. And I saw that from him. And I died I laughed so hard that I literally died and had to be resuscitated. What a what a great treat. I mean. Sometimes you do have to magin maybe one or two of these wiggle room. Plug ins the show may maybe it's somebody winking and nodding in our direction. The know it all thing quite likely as well. But if anyone who is working on survivor is putting in a cat saucer challenges specifically because they know that one day we are going to be comparing Mike white and Nick Wilson to humanoid cats. Then I believe that the timeline true. He is broken. And none of us are safe. And there is no port in the storm that will provide sanctuary. The apocalypse is here clips that was a cool challenge. I did really like that. I that was very inventive. And I think that the challenge department. I think it's easy to fall into the trap. So of like, you know, this like different versions of the same old stuff of the okay? Run out. Grab this put this puzzle together. But I thought that this was so great because like, okay, let's do something that is like totally awkward of go out and grab like a giant satellite dish filled. Yeah. I think you're absolutely right. I think among the reasons why I'm really enjoying the season. I think one of the underrated reasons why the challenges have been very compelling and the challenge design has been rather inventive. This one included. I'm thinking back to either was it last week or the week before where there was this element where you had to like you had to climb up. The rope ladder, and you have to like hop across like a gap between platforms and lower abridge. And then everyone's going to run over the bridge that no unique as well. And everything feels like there is some combination of brains and brawn involved, and like the Braun quality is the seems like some very physically strenuous stuff that is being put to the test here in these challenges, certainly the genie tribe, not really feeling up to the task as they got their their butts whipped here their asks as they were as they were smoked by the other tribes. It was clearly very physically demanding for for those guys. But I think that that's that's baked into the theme in this may be one area where you can scoff at the themes, but this may be one area where I think the theme is shining through is in the challenge design where there's that like brutish quality that Goliath brings to the table. But there's also a cleverness that is traditionally associated with David archetype such as it exists. So I re- I really enjoyed this challenge. I've been enjoying the challenges all season long and uncertainly the guy who on the rewatch is just like fast bars through the challenges. But these have all been very riveting. Okay. Now, Josh you mentioned the beanie tribe and probably the person who got a lot of credit for the move believe. Also got the fishy. This week was Mr. Mike white. Mr. Mike, white, Mr. Mike. Yeah. No great times had by Mike this week. I'm sure he's thrilled with that fishy. I'm sure he's placing that on his trophy shelf off the other accolades that he is earned along the way probably clearing a central place on his mantle for the fishy. Yes, Josh word is that we may be hearing from my quite this week. Breaking news are happening now. Yes. This is correct. I have I have gained access to Mike white for these active player interviews that I've been doing here along the way up on HR is posting at nine in the morning eastern time on Tuesday. So check that out HR dot com. So I'll set my alarm survivor. Yes. Please do west coast. Yes. So seiger just kidding. My kids wake up way before that. I was gonna say you're like four in the. Morning, which is which sounds like hell sounds like a nightmare. Are you're literally up at like four in the morning every day. Well, as like daylight savings time it didn't help in not help T H R dot com slash survivor, nine AM eastern time on Tuesdays where you will find a really fun interview with Mike white which really crawls all over the season. Thus far Mike's the first Goliath, I've gotten a chance to speak to in one of these so far I've talked to I've spoken with Christian Elizabeth and Lisa and now I am getting my first Goliath in Mike my first glad not in bloom. This glide in Mike, and he's got some really funny things to say I'm not allowed to talk about what he has said. Because I am under embargo right now. Even though as you are listening to this. I am sure that the interview is up, but it is it is a fun one. I strongly recommended if you've been enjoying reading these these signposts along the way from the the players who are still actively in the game. I think that this this. This is really fun. I think Mike white proving his his way with words here is he's describing some of his fellow competitors. Some that he has kind words to say than for others. I think it'll be a fundraiser for you. Okay. All right. Looking forward to that on Tuesday of this week as we head towards the merge. Josh. So I know we'd like to follow the characters in the story here on this podcast. And you know, we have this giant narrow no, no pun intended narrative of theme of the David's and the Goliath, and I think it's very interesting that we come into this season at the merge where it did look like the goliaths had a big advantage at one point. And it sort of has been even out a little bit over these last couple of weeks where it's now just a seven six advantage for the goal is how do you think that the theme of David versus Goliath is going to play into what's going on at the merge eating the players will ultimately forget it or do you think that's going to be something? In the minds of the players because it's been talked about so much. Well, I think it's going to be in the minds of the players in so far as they they made it through the first three eliminations of the game on these two distinct tribes, and they had several days with which to really solidify those bonds to to really make the connections with the people who they started the game outwith. I think it's very likely that we are going to see at least some players probably not all, but some people who are really going to be sticking to that tried and true line of we're Glaive strong where we're staying. The course I think the David tribe, honestly, especially that's the group that I'm really looking at is as a group that's going to want to stay together. I think that they were really thrown into the into the fire very early on this season with the evacuation of Pat their battle-tested with that I vote against Jessica, I think that the fact that they enter the game positioned as. As underdogs by the theme by master Probst himself. Happy birthday, by the way, Jeff belatedly. I think that these these players are really going to feel incentivized to to keep that moving forward. I think with the glides I think that you will see some people who are feeling like we gotta stay strong. We gotta stay quiet strong. But you've also seen people willingly navigate away from that. Like Alec who who bombed Natalia when he had absolutely no reason to. I think that there could there could be some fractures to explore there. But I think the fact that Mike ends up voting out Lisa instead of Angelina here. And because one of the stated reasons that he gives on this show is I can't show up at the merge with the blood of two goliaths on my hands. Like, that's just not something. I can do makes you think that going into the merge with seven goliaths versus six David's that it's it's at the very least going to be positioned to us as viewers as that's going to be the line in the sand at the very start of the merge if not deeper into it. But do you think that's alternately? What is going to play out as we get into this merge? Episode this week. I hope not I hope not I really don't think. So I hope it's I hope it's more interesting. Then I don't think so as well, I think I just kind of have faith in the momentum of the season that the that the season has delivered surprise at every turn, you know, this past. Week was probably the least action packed week of the show. I think I think again, you know, kudos to to Mike Blum with the great tweets this week. He had he had asked people to what their rankings of the episodes of the versus quiet. So far would be in heap placed this past episode at the at the bottom of the list. And I think that that's fair. But I still think that this past week while it wasn't like as dazzling or conic as jacket gate, which was really just a stud of an episode. I still think that this was a very strategically interesting episode. I thought that the whole conversation about you know, I know that you joked about this a little bit. But this is the most Bamenda vote of the season thus far. I think it was certainly a very important vote. It was definitely an inflection point as we're heading into the merge. And even though is a little bit straight down the line. I still think that there was elements of surprise in elements of intrigue that we were seeing in this one that I really do hope and believe will carry into this next episode. But I still think David could go, and it could be compelling. I think it just if it's as straightforward and clean as Goliath or just like we're gonna begun all of you David's, and it's going to be over for you. Right quick. And that's just the narrative of the episode. And it takes like almost like a Stephanie Johnson quality about it. We're all the David's are fatalistic about the fact that they're going to get picked off one by one that's going to be a bummer, but I really don't expect that that's where we're gonna go. Okay. Can I make some hyperbolic conclusions based on an extremely small sample size? Yes. I am the person who authorizes you to do such things. So I really think that this is the best dynamic for a season the format that that we've seen here in this season where we start with two tribes of new people to tribes of ten new people, which then we break into groups of three and then from three we go back to one because. That's what we saw in millennials versus gen X. And when we got to the merge and millennials versus genetics. It really wasn't like that the gen Xers were saying, hey, we're only gonna work with the genetic serves and the millennials were only going to work with the millennials because there was enough time for both of those tribes to have fractures in their bigger groups of ten and then when the players got to the swap they went out and pursued new relationships, and then when they got to the merge, it was a nice hodgepodge for whatever reason the returning players in this scenario, they wanted to go back to the stasis which was ultimately going to be who did I start with that was more interesting for them in other seasons that we've seen where we start with tribes of its start with three tribes. And then we swap it seems like that the players wanted to get back to their original starting group of okay? There was like it was a small enough number that there was some comfort there. With a big group that has fractures in it. I think people are more likely to pursue different alliances posts swap and that creates more chaos at the March. So you are positing something similar to the numbers preferred by Sirri fields, not a three to one. But you like the two three one you like the two tribes to three tribes to one tribe. You think that that's the magic numbers for survivor? I think the the four eight fifteen sixteen twenty three forty two of survivor. Sure, I think that might be the best way to do the new players season. And of course, you want to mix things up and keep people on their toes. But I think there were certainly, you know, conflicts in the Goliath tribe. Not everybody liked one another ended up being nine to one vote. But I think that there were still some fractures there and people rubbed each other the wrong way, you know, there were feelings that were hurt one way or the other between is it going to be Jeremy's going. Gonna be Natalie. And then they were also obviously fractures in that first vote with the David's going to tribal council. So I don't think it's going to necessarily be a party line. I mean, especially on the David side. I know they're in the minority, but not every single David loves everybody from the original David tribe. Sure. Absolutely. I mean, we've sep- just this past week. We saw we saw that struggle between Carlin Davey like having it up to here with Elizabeth and a little bit vice versa, which I thought was like the first scene that had really deemed Elizabeth's character where through these episodes, so far I've thought that she's been a really strong candidate to to win. It all potentially. I still feel really good about her shot. But it was just it was a very interesting moment that she was just I rubbed so wrong. I really loved sort of the rawness of that. But I think you're right. I think like when you when you think about one of the things that I do enjoy about a season that starts at three tribes. And maybe maybe this is almost. More myth than reality. Like in my own mind. Like, if you really stop to examine it, maybe it's just it's BS. And it's not even true is I think with with tribes that have smaller numbers of people like when you've got three tribes of six people each there's really kind of nowhere to hide in in terms of the storytelling where you're probably going to get a handle on who each of those people on those tribes are even saying that out loud. I think that that's not totally right. I mean, you don't have to look any further than heroes, healers Hustler's and Katrina is the first one out of the season and she gets one confessional right away. Like, I think that even there people can can get lost. I think the bigger issue there. So if you're if you're even setting aside, the fact that like it's better for story, which seems maybe not totally true with the three tribe format. I think the bigger problem is when it comes to the theme these three tribes seasons, like the whatever versus whatever says, whatever wait, there's always like that one. That just like that's kind of the head scratcher like heroes, healers hustlers. Like, I think you could say like the healers tribe lake is like that's just kind of funky like, you could imagine like the match up between heroes and hustlers a little easier. The whole thing is kind of set it on fire, but you can at least imagine that a little bit more. I think with worlds apart the no collar, try was a head scratcher. I think with the brains bronze and beauty. I think the beauty tribe tends to be a head scratcher. Whereas when you've got like strong tribe theme versus strong tribe theme and whether or not David versus Goliath, really works. Your mild mileage will vary for me it works decently. Well, I think that there's a little more pronounced it gives you a tighter story that you're following two options rather than three options. I think is a little cleaner. Yeah. I'm not. I'm not mad at it. I think that that that second swap that we saw in second chance and we saw in game changers as well. I think that really muddies up the storytelling. Me. That's what it really becomes very difficult to track where everybody is. I really don't like that. I think maybe just like the one of the. Yeah, I think that that is that is the right move. And then the other piece of it that I think is underrated in this is I think the fact that these starting tribes were allowed to be with each other through at least three eliminations. So you know, that they're going to make it to at least two full weeks of the show. I think is a is a really strong move in terms of keeping the narrative pretty clean second chance. I think was able to pull that off. But the game changers premier you lose Sierra and Tony in that first episode, and then the very next week is the first tribe. Swap the second week of the show and as we came to see throughout that season. Nuku strong was such an important factor in how that show shaped up, and we had no real sense for why the new people loved each other so much. So I think like at least buying the first two weeks. Ideally, at least the first three weeks of the show to really let those dynamic settle in. I think is is a really really good call. And I don't even know if that group from game changes really loved each other. It just was that they didn't go to tribal council. So it was like okay their safety here. And nobody really knew where the fault lines were. Yeah. And I think also that the playbook on that season was a little bit easier to to see like, I think at that point. Second chance really was able to shake things up by that was the first time they went from two to three by the time game changers. Rolls around. That's something that you can predict a little bit more. I bet that they're anticipating that at that. I was like, okay. If we're if we're getting swapped to tomorrow, we're staying Nuku strong. We're staying Nukus strong. But you just never see any of that on the show. So I don't know we're kind of all over the map. You're right now. But I do think the I think you're right. I think that the two to three two one it's got it's got strong potential. I'm excited about it. Worked really well for me and millennials versus gen X and this season so far. I've got no reason to doubt that it's going to be anything, but a really fun merge. Right. I mean, they're certainly could be times you could do that. And it will be a bus. But I think that we have a lot of reason to believe that we will be in for an exciting merge. Much like we were two years ago at this time in survivor millennials verses gen-x? All right. Josh as we look ahead towards the merge ready. Do you want to get into our pick for who will be the boot at the merge, and ultimately give our reasons why do you think that whoever gets booted at the merge is going to be medevac for eating too much beef at the merge feast, oh amended back at the merge is really the worst. That is probably on the list of your least favorite survivor things. I would say, you know, 'cause you're all excited about here we go baby merge yet baby. And then. Nothing. And then Joe Dowdell blows out his knee or or Neil has an infection in his knee or Julie McGee quits. It's not fun. Why is it always either your knee or McGee? I don't know. It's the rule the role. Well, we already got the knee out of the way this season. So I think that probably going to be okay here. So I think this is a pick pick a person and why they're going to get voted out. Let me also quickly. A rejected idea was who is going to be sponsoring the merge. Feasts this season. We don't have anybody on standby to plug right now. That was one that we that. We don't have a sponsor for the segment sponsor. Yeah. No, no guests here Josh arby's at the merge. No, no. Do you think that they got? I don't know if you've covered this on the podcast earlier this week. I'm a little behind do you think that they got rid of the beef in the skewers reward this week because of Joe del Campo? And then what they came to find out about Bradley clogging getting staked up. Yeah. I mean, it was we did this feedback show unappetizing reward. Let me show you what you play. I try to finish. Can you tenses? Herbs and spices ten vegetable kebabs second Jeff lead with cooking utensils. He even knew like the not going to be excited about going to be thrilled about that. No one's going to be happy about that. I think I saw Davey tweet that like you can see him do like a lean in like in squint his is at the reward because he was looking at being like, there's no meat the. I think that's great. That's great. Like, even like, these starving starving human beings f that way as maybe they faith faith. Yeah. Okay. All right. Josh. So we're going to do how many people you want to pick. I mean, we've got thirteen people coming into the marriage. You want to pick three and three four and four that's six and six six one person goes did six and six one person goes undrafted. Let's get let's get the full squad minus one how about that. All right now in my recent podcast with AJ mess. I drafted four winner. Pigs basically for the drip. This is the opposite of that. This is a who is going to be most likely to be taken out of the game by a vote here in the seventh episode of the season. So very different exercise. Oh, gosh. All right. And you know, how I feel about exercise. But I'm I'm ready to do it. I'm here for this going. What would you like the first pick? Or would you like the second and third pick? I would like the second and third pick. I would like you to go. I I would like for you to set the tone tone, wlac goes. Oh, okay. All right. So this is going to be really interesting because. We have this group. We have the Davids we had the goliaths we have seven goliaths who could it be? I have felt like that this person is ripe for a blindside. I will take Dan with the first pick Dan with the double idols Dan entering the merge with two idols to his name. And he's going to be the first round draft pick here in in the merge tribe vote, and let me tell you what that looks like how tank okay? So it's like this is like the Colonel mustard in the conservatory when the candlestick we saw Gabby, and Dr Alison talk last week about the broad shot show stuff and how we need to blindside, Dan. And Dr Allison talked about how he has an idol. So maybe just maybe maybe Dr Alison not feeling great about not being part of that Goliath core to start. Maybe Dr Alison flipside is going to work with Gabby going to work with Christian and the rest of the David. And then a blind side of a guy that they know has won idol. But next reality has to okay, that's a nice segue into my first pick who was actually going to be my second pick. But since you're talking about her and no disrespect to doctor in doctor Howson is my fischel winner pick of the season from the preseason big Dr Alison fan. It's literally just we have seen. No, Dr Alison, there's a great read. It boasts this past week that was re framing the scene between Allison Gabby as Alison saying the Gabby. I'm really glad you came to be. I could really use the airtime. She got up in here. At all. And we did see her, you know, very, suddenly we saw her role in the TV dynamics, and it was almost like she popped up. And it's like, oh, yeah. Dr Allison's on the season. And that is the only person in this cast that I feel that way about it feel like everybody else. I have at least a handle of who they are where they are. Alison, I really wouldn't if not for the fact that I got to know her in the preseason. So I'm just I'm gonna I'm gonna say that if Goliath is going to go and Alison feels like maybe she's a little bit on the outs of the Guaira tribe. And maybe she is going to start preemptively organizing some kind of move with Gabby maybe try to bring in Christian maybe want to blindside a guy like, Dan because she has that knowledge but Christian feeling loyalty to the, bro. Chacho? He is Haas after all. Maybe that's gonna blow up in Allison's space. So I I wonder if we're just being set up for a quick Alison booed at the merge. She can go on vacation with Lisa and Natalie and all of those crazy people who are who are currently shacking up together at Ponderosa. So I'm gonna take outs in this. My first pick here. Okay. Atlas in laws Bill. I definitely could see that as a scenario that ends up happening. Okay. All right. I got an I got a second pick here. I mean, I don't think that she would be the the likeliest target for that to happen. I feel like that's a likely scenario. But I mean, I think we've seen crazier things by far one thing. Also, she's very athletic. She's very intelligent. I think that she could potentially be a challenge threat here in the merge. I think that those are additional reasons that good possibly see the vote turning against her. I would have picked her second. The first person who I would have picked the person who I'm going to mention now, but you were talking about Allison I was gonna take her second. Anyway. So so if you want to if you want to reverse the order, the person who I was going to take I I think classic merge boot type is somebody who is like athletic is traditionally like, the jockey or guy type of character. I could see this being the end here for Alec. Orlean? Oh, I think him him turning on in Italia. And being the first person to the first Goliath to go against Goliath and spill purple blood on the battlefield. I think unless he has a really good explanation for why that had to happen once they get to the merge. I think that there are a lot of reasons to take out. He has been a stood in the challenges. He has really brought it in the challenges this season. You always see him out in front and really kicking butt. So I think for for that reason alone people would be afraid of him. And if Goliath wants to stay alive, strong, they're concerned that could be a mole. I'm always on mole patrol. I think that could be somebody that they would come after really early on. And I also think that CARA could be actively trying to throw him under the bus, and especially because that he is tight with the David's that I think that that would be somebody who would make some sense to target. Numerically? I wonder about the goliaths making that move. Yes. If he if he has flipped then it is the classic like Boston. Rob Matt Elrod move of voting out the the swing that has flipped to the other side. But I don't know if it's exactly the same as that. But. You know, he did that like, well, he wasn't sure if which side he was on. So he just took out the unstable element there at the merge. So I think maybe if there is some question about whether he's with the day is whether he's with goliaths, and you know, carrot is trying to you know, really force the issue. Yeah. I could see that as a possibility. I think that that's a more likely scenario than the doctor, Alison, I agree. I think that that's that's I completely completely stand. But I think also just if you're going based on what we see in the preview, it seems like Alec is really into like David versus Goliath is over. So it just makes me makes me concerned makes me concern for this guy safety in the game. Okay. All right here we go fourth pick overall. I'm going to go with Angelina. Oh, I would've picked Angelina next. Probably. Yeah. This one is this is an easy second round pick for. Okay. I'm going Angelina based on what we're seeing in the preview, she seems to be pushing. Targeting Christian as the heart of the David's. And I just wonder you know, we have seen her push for things in this early season. And I just wonder could she potentially be too bold in early going. And then have this thing come back around where word gets out. Hey, Angelina once you gone what oh we got to target Angelina. And if you know if Alec is a seventh vote with the David's that that could be an easy person that they pinned the vote on this week. All right. Additional prediction opportunity for you. If Angelina is the merge boot, and she's boated out here. Does she give up her ankle length sweater? And if so who does she bequeathed to? I think that she pays it forward. And does not give a sweater to anyone. Wow. Dark. What a what a terrible thing. That would be you got to give up your sweater. You're making all this fuss about the jackets then you gotta you gotta give up your own jacket now Corum decorum survivor decorum. Okay. All right. So actions, I think that sounds plausible. I could absolutely see that happening. All right now. I'm running out of, you know, easy people to get rid of this week here at the merge, I will say how about this. We've seen there be some strife between the David's. I don't know if this is the likeliest scenario, but could potentially Elizabeth be the target here at the merge, where that you know, who is the most likely David to go home. You know, we have only six David's the goliaths have the majority if they're going to go after one of the David's I'd say the David has rubbed the most. David's the wrong way is probably Elizabeth, and you know, maybe could Karl Davey throw in with the goliaths for a vote and go after Elizabeth of the merge. Yeah. I could see that as well. I really have been loving Lisbeth. So that would break my heart. But we did have this very weird seeing this week of her being really upset about the bamboo in the shelter and needing the sleep better and everything that was going on with her back. And you wonder why that's in there is that in there because it's setting up some kind of imminent conflict between her and Carlin Davey, if not other members of the David tribe, or is this like a low point that we're going to look back on when Elizabeth goes forward and wins the million dollars. And I mean, that's that's such a long way away that if it was like gun to my head of one of those two like this is either setting her up for an imminent fall or a meteoric rise, probably go with the first one in terms of head, but heart would say that she is going to make it really deep. Into this game. I don't think it's a bad pick. If you're looking at the David's on the board to to see Elizabeth as one of the top candidates to go. But she's also she's just been such a surprise. And like, you know, she has she has survived really difficult odds before where you know, whether it was the Jessica vote where it looked like her best friend in the game was about to get voted out. And so she found some way to course. Correct. That or this this second tribal council that she attended where she looked like it was going to be her again, and she's able to get out from under that. So I I feel like to underestimate Elizabeth would be a mistake so air own peril. Opening you're wrong. But I could see it. I could see it. Okay. All right. Josh you've got to interro. I do I should take David. Maybe it'll take to David's your end the first David because you just mentioned him that I will take and also because you've got the person on the battlefield with two idols in his pocket. Why don't I take the other person with an? Title in his possession. And I will take Davey Rickenbacker. Who in reality is enjoying a great week considering the Walking Dead shenanigans big Walking Dead fan Davies a very happy guy. Rick runs. This hero is hero. It says hero. So that's the good news the bad. Do this. See it going home. You think this could be his final episode is what you're saying. Yeah. I could maybe he's gonna get. I hope he doesn't get bit backed by helicopter that would be awful. No, I think that I could imagine Davey going where there does to me feel like there's been this setup where Davy has an idol in his pocket. He is not telling anybody about the idol in his pocket. He was even when he was at a pretty scary numerical disadvantage a few votes ago. He's still sat on it. And I could see Davey being the type that like it's an imperfect comparison, but Kris noble it and just like sit on the idol when real you ought to play the idol if everyone's like, we got to go after gave and David I'm going to be fine. And he just goes home with an idol in his pocket. I could imagine that scenario. I think that that's an area is laws -able and just to take take all the idols. Make sure that they don't all fall in your hands. I we'll take one guy with the idol here. Okay. All right. So that's David. You got one more picking a row? One more picking a row, and I don't I don't feel great about any of these pictures to that. I'm debating between and. I think I'm going to take Christian Friis chins, I'm gonna take Haas the Haas of the broach chose. I think it's a terrible pick here at seven tell me why you like it. I think because you go into the merge looking to knock out somebody who is going to be a an agreeable threat to take out at this point. And I think that Christian did unmasks himself in the very beginning of the game. It's really hard to stress is. I mean, it's impossible to convey just how incredible that puzzle performance was he's been very smart in a lot of these challenges and capable in these challenges ever since two episodes ago, I think it was where he does like the levers thing, and that looks really great, and he's a member of the broach arches and those guys love him. His social game is very strong. We've already gotten that scene from him this past week episode of like people like. Me now. And like, maybe that's the win. Maybe that's enough. I think that in his own right Christian is potentially deadliest person in the game. And I think to to knock him out here at this opportunity while David is at a numbers disadvantage makes a lot of strategic sense. I think that there's been a lot of story invested in Christian. I feel like there's a lot more still to come from him. I don't feel like his stories over, but I can envision this Inara in which it is prematurely ended here. And I think it is a testament to the people on the field that are still left over that. We have not picked yet that there aren't a lot of great picks right now. I think it's it's you can you can make cases for everybody. But it's also hard to see a lot of these people and how they would go or at least be heartbreaking to to see what these people go. Okay. I'm gonna go at number eight with somebody that if you would've asked me before the season who is the merge boot. I think I would have had this person as the number one pick, and it's a testament to how well they've done this season that they have slip. This far, but I have to take the mayor of slam town here, Mr John Morrison? I mean, I think that he really is the appear to me of somebody. You would typically look to vote out at the survivor merge. A big physical presence seen as a leader. I would imagine. And somebody who I think is going to be a huge target at the merge and really should hope to keep the Goliath numbers because he's not hiding anywhere that he really could use a pa- gong of the David. I think if you are the mayor of slam town. Yeah, I agree. And he was who I would have picked if I didn't pick Christian. It was really, you know, flip a coin. One of these two is going to be the person that I picked, and I think. Yeah. Going into the season. It's almost the surprise that he has lasted this long. That is the type of person that you would imagine going out post swap. But that's what that's what tribe TV was very very. Strong tribe. And I think even within that tribe. He was in no risk of going anywhere. But I think now where we are like if Goliath becomes a really unstable group if David can hold together, very strong. If one of these weird permutations of people come together to turn it against John. I could I could imagine the scenario in which he goes home here. Okay. I'm going to go with pick number nine. I'm going to go with somebody who this is a little outside the box, but I'm gonna go with CARA here. Oh, took my pick. I was going with care next. Okay. And the scenario I think we're CARA goes home this week is where the word that CARA is trying to turn the votes against Alec gets back to Alec. And so if Alec ends up flipping, we're sort of like shades of John where Cascos to Trish, tell me the name who's the person from the other side that you would want to get rid of. And so or vice versa where Trish goes to cast and says, tell me the person from your side that you want to get rid of than Alex says get rid of CARA, right? Yeah. I think so. And like if you're if you're sketching out the scenario where like Alec becomes a double triple quadruple agent. Whatever it would be at that point if he's under fire from Goliath, who's going to be the one selling amount, you can imagine Carol being that person. You can imagine the script being flipped on her. Yeah. Or if I if Dan catches heat and then CARA gets torched by extension, Allah coal. Jessica thing. I feel like that writes itself. Okay. Josh Wigley two picks to one more and somebody's not getting picked to pick. So who's who's left on the? So let me reset. Let me reset for everybody who is still on the board. Available to be picked. Okay. That would be Gabby is available. Nick is available. Mike white is available and Carl is available man. I don't see any of them going this week. To be honest. They really does. No dad picks in v tenth and eleventh pick who's going home this week draft. Right. Right. Right. I mean, I think of those four the likeliest to me is Carl, you know, he's got the no of fire, and you've got to imagine that that is going to be implemented before he goes. Or at least you would hope it's going to be implemented before he goes. And if he goes on with it unplayed, you would imagine that it's going to be religion. But I just think of those four he's probably the person who would make the most sense to me to be targeted. Now, similar for the reasons that you picked Elizabeth like maybe the tables are turned against Karl if he tries so like really push hard for Elizabeth that there's some sort of fracture. There. If Carl goes if he if he doesn't like some of the know it all that he meets over from the Goliath tribe. If there's just in Brixton exactly the Grimes prophecy needs to be fulfilled on so I guess I'll pick Carl. I don't feel great about it. I don't think Carl is gonna go here. I think Carl's probably gonna make it through the week. Do you see a scenario in which Carl goes home this week? It would be hard to triangulate. Exactly how that happens. Right. And I don't feel good about any of Gabby, Mike or Nick either. I'd be like, Nick, Nick and Mike linked right now. I think they seem really tight they seem like they're probably protected by Angelina who is in good with Goliath. Maybe if there is some sort of like Angelina overplays her hand and people are like I'm done with and I don't wanna play with Angelina. But it's dangerous to go after Angelina right now for whatever reason. So it's cut one of the people that she's coming here from Jack Benny whizzed, maybe then it's Mike or Nick. Well, you know, it so I have Mike white as my t h r q in a this week. And if you were trying to predict it ethically than you would think that means he's not going to go home this week. But I had but I had an excuse me. I had Lisa as. Excuse me. I have Lear says my QNA last week that she got voted out like days later and went on the exit interview Tor so that rule no longer applies, and I'm gonna I'm gonna go ahead and say that that rule is gonna go to weeks in a row. Mike weight's going to be talking to me on HR tomorrow. And you're going to be three a trend. They later factually, the why not gun to my head. Let's just take my k- the Mike why at the merge unless he asked to be voted out. I can't I can't see it. But it just to go back to Karl that I do think that there's a little bit of you know, I think the door is open slightly just because if we're looking at the David's, and we're looking at you know, what relationships do David's have with the goliaths. I think Carl is the one David that you could put a circle around that from what we've seen on the show has no relationship with a Goliath where we've seen Alec. You know, he's he's talking to Davy. He's talking to. Elizabeth? Cara is talking to David talking Elizabeth that Carl came back from exile. And then we didn't really see him interact with a, you know, either of the goliaths on the show, and maybe you know, through Davey he has a relationship with with Alec now. But if the glides get together, and they say, okay. Well, I want to protect my person I want to protect my person. Maybe there's no Goliath. That's vouching for Carl good that works wherever it we're gonna try to come up with a theory of how it happened. So I had the last pick. I have to go with either. So you picked Mike white and decide between Nick or Gabby. I'll take Nick let's let let Gabby go be safe and go be off on exile island. But I said with Steven, you know, I thought that there was a chance that that Nick could be the merge vote just simply that he is coming into the merge, and he sort of fits the profile of sort of, you know, young athletic guy at the merge in in the minority of the numbers. If the Goliath stick together, and they have to pick a person, maybe there's only you know, Angelina and Mike vouching for hey nut, Nick. And maybe they don't have enough clout where there's more people from the other tribes that are saying, hey, we got to keep the the David's that we came with so much has been invested in his relationship building, though, you know, whether it's see or the thoroughbreds. Yeah. Like, I just I think that there's more for Nick to do that being said men named Nick don't do well at the top of the merge. There's. If you wanted to be the stand berries or the Myra knows of the world, Nick, join those guys. They could form a band. Right. So get ready for the mayo jar on this week's feedback show. Oh, how about that? He'll be here in studio with me on Friday coming up make sure to give him the hat or else. Something weird. Would that gerbil maker? Stem careful all right before we end up switching gears to this week's wand off, let me take a moment. And thank our sponsor for this week's a wand off competition and those are friends over at legacy box. Ooh. Twenty four legacy box. No, no legacy. Well, unless you have the entire collection of twenty four on VHS or some other media that you would like to have digitize I have several of the early seasons of twenty four that are loved to digitize. Just skip the DVD and Blu Ray purchasing part of it. And just get this on the to be on. Its I I'm pretty sure that they're not going to get involved with copyrighted media to be phys because this legacy box is something that's much better. Josh Wigley legacy box. What they are going to do is. They will take your old home media, whatever format you have. And they will digitize it so that it can be viewed by you here in twenty eighteen twenty nineteen and beyond because we've all got a ton of old movies old home movies that are really inaccessible to all of us. And there's so many people in our families. Especially with the holidays coming up thanksgiving all of the Christmas. Hanukkah you name it all coming up. This is the greatest gift that you could give to your family to digitize these movies that have been forgotten. Josh that sounds like a great plan. I should talk to my mother about this. She has lots of great sizzling video of your wiggly, truly. Yes. Maybe some of that stuff. You would not like to have digitized. Right. 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Visit legacy box dot com today to get started. They've got a great offer for our listeners with a exclusive discount. Go to legacybox dot com slash rob. To get forty percents off your first order or percent. Oh my goodness. Yeah. Or save up to two hundred dollars on the largest legacy box kit. Go to legacybox dot com slash rob to save forty percent today. Get started preserving your pass, and I wonder. If I was even older would they make an even bigger discount along the way. Now, Josh tell me we did hear recently that you're not supposed to get any older than you've gotten. So chefs can't be locked in at forty if he can now again, Josh that you have I'm sure a bunch of home movies. Well, what do you have those on Betamax? Now, I'm going to hang up the phone on you much like a podcast guest earlier in the week. His his mom. Remind me. You're making happy the rest of my mind. Chuckle shock. Just eat your. You could. The rest of you. Rob. You know, I was thinking that the next time. You have Randy back on the pie can feel comeback on. But yeah. Well, he'll come back. He always comes back up does when he does you should hang up on him. Well, what will you here? If you're listening to the podcast hang up on ran does. He he gets surly gets angry gets ready to hang up on you. And you get the jump on ran does the pot guest end. Or Randy ends the podcast. It ends. It goes straight into the voice mails without Lascher last year again for continuity, see. Okay. All right. Well, let me think about lots thing about if you want a veggie kebabs see what see what it tastes like. Okay. Disrespected the great man debate hours. I would love to have a beer with him. Okay. Fun week on the podcast between Randy and Allie sounds like a lot of people. Enjoy the podcast for the most part this week. So always happy to hear that as we are headed into the. Merge here of rob as podcast last week. Josh wig ler. Let's talk about what happened in the wand off. Of course, Kirk Clark, the great tabulate or looks at all of this stuff and has compiled the results for a week number five here in the wand off. Okay. So we have our top three. Did we settle on a jacket design for the winner of this year's wombats competition? I I have yet to see any. I don't think that you, and I have come to official conclusive consensus on what we want the jacket to be. I have seen an overwhelming amount of support for the fact that probably ought to be a members only jacket in whatever is only jacket O'Connor of his jacket that being said, I did look around to see what would need to be done to customize a members only jacket, and I'm striking out. Like, I was hoping that somebody would send this design a prototype that hasn't happened. So. So get to that people. You'll get he obviously get away with wombat tat if you design the the wand off, Jack, you don't get a jacket unless the actual jacket design Accu let's not be crazy here have your jacket maker or something like that. Yeah. But you'll get the wombats at for sure. So submit those designs wiggle room at Rama's, website dot com. Place to send those in. Okay. All right. So we have here in third place. Here we had a tie. It was a tie with thirteen point that we've never had this before a tie for third place. Josh. Very exciting. You guys get nothing. Yes. A tie for third place. It was mad from Waterloo with his song about Giambi and Becky and Taylor with my jacket that was a tie for thirty planes for birthday one. That is a that is off the menu. Okay. And then it was tight for the race for first place. The winner had thirty three point five percent second-place at twenty nine point six seven percent in second place. It was Graham from the bay with I'm keeping this jacket. And I place it was somebody who for the second time in three weeks as one Winkler's wombats hat and has won the wand off again, I'm happy to say that is Karen from Canada. They drink saucers of mouth. Now, I gotta say deep regret, and I will spoil the embargo here. I did not ask Mike white. What it feels like to be a humanoid cat. That was a mistake on my part. So it'd be nice to know if he was like, I have no idea what you're talking about. Or he's like, oh, yeah. That's funny. No, no. I don't think I ever want to broach the subject, I don't wanna know one way or the other. I want this to live on the fantasy in my heart and mind, forever either way. Congratulations Karen from Canada. Yeah. All right. So let's go ahead. And let's bring in the host of the wand off the late. Great Casey case is back here again, rob. It's a pleasure today back here with you. And Josh here for another week of the lawn of Casey how many birthday wand offs. Did. We get for Jeff Probst this week thousand. We got so many. But we just don't have time to play them all here on this show. Okay. Maybe Anna soundcloud. This is rob. I don't know. I don't know if we if we have access to all the Jeff Probst birthday one at they were all recorded on VHS and our en route to legacy box to get digitize. So we'll get in touch with everybody wants that's done. And since you last Josh all of my home movies are indeed on data max air on data. Max dawson. All right. Josh Wigley where about to get into this week's honorable mentions. But I think it is worth repeating here as we get into the Armagh mansions and ultimately into the top five one of for the week. We get a lot of entries, and it's a difficult decision. Every week to decide who gets into the honorable mentions and who gets into the top five, and I just wanted to say before we begin this segment with peace and love peace and love that it is a very difficult decision. And I hope that everyone respects the decisions that get made come this fide Kath. It's a lot of work to get to this point. Somebody was the victim of a robot apocalypse, it would sound like I k c k some and K C k similar loan take full responsibility for any songs that should get into the top. Five that down. And I would really appreciate it. If people don't give rob sister NATO that hard of a time is a good guy. I worked with him for many years. And if you have thank you, Casey. I appreciate that tweet at pineapple boy twenties, and we've opened up hey account for you to send all of your Wanda of negative feedback to he's on Twitter and as pineapple boy twenty seven. That goes directly to the Wanda. I'll home office. History Twitter that being said it was obviously a high profile snap last week. Is it is with the robot? Army? Josh, we're losing you. Listen, we're losing your connection. Come back back back back back back returned. All right. We'll start off this week's honorable mentions with a special message from one of our longtime listeners to last week's feedback show guests here is there great Lindell from Australia with a special dedication that goes out to Bradley Clyde wants. What's? Twenty. Lindo from Austria was very concerned about Bradley needing to be meta vac from pre Jerry trip. Let me get this straight. So you're beginning. What's the problem? This week of the one is a beginning with a song about a different season of survivor completely different season of survivor. That's right. And it's also focused entirely on poop. This is how we're starting one this week K's. And all your complaints to the direct inbox for the one off at pineapple boy twenty-seven on Twitter. Old business. Always take care of the old business. And then we get to new business. You don't have to share everything that comes in from Landau who I like a lot. Why are you singing about poop and Bradley, Clyde? It's David versus was a beautiful song. Something that came up on the podcasts in the last seven days. It was a great song. But that wasn't even this last week of guests. It was to the other way. In the last eight days on the. That's. Now, turning our attention to this week on survivor. What is happened day and Doug are here. They're in the one Arbel mentions, and they've got us on about some of the struggles that the beanie tribe had this week's immunity challenge. Paul. Trying to. That was a classic jam from Devaux Pinto. Correct. That whip. Her rash whip. Can't think of that song without thinking about Smithers next up. Josh we've got us song all about what's been going on outside of the game over at Ponderosa from our good friend. Eric h have you ever met a woman on survivor who treated you like, you're her job? Or let me tell you story if you will caper with the woman who CEO of newspapers data there wasn't traps with that's what we saw in the game on new hitch for this game that is she was waiting for my jacket. That was from the great artist, Bismarck cases. Of course that works. That's great gosh, we got a lot to get to and Michael Clark is here as well. Yes. He's got a song about this week's candidates to go home from the genie. Tried. Two. That was from a very talented artist g. Aka arsia. Just see is going to work. We're talking about the survivor pantheon. An established character. I guess friend of Cochran CEA. That up. We wanna talk a little about Elizabeth and her as us with the shelter. Here is Lyndal from Tasmania. No sleep on this bad. Back say. Key play. Can oh I can't get no sleep on this. We. Anx lee. From the artist the weekends. Stafford. I have all the cans who had kids Stafford. That's a good Paul a good poll. How many lintels are there in this week on? Off. It's unclear whether Linda from Tasmania is actually just a parody account of Linda from Australia Chrysler on infinite lintels as a Kurd in the same way that. TJ Takahashi something else Burke was Staka. She is a parody of DJ Lebel, CLYDE. We don't know. We haven't heard from Burke west gosh, quite some time. Okay. Next up. We're still talking about Elizabeth and her issues with her lumbar support. That was great and talented artists. Napalm Natalie Imbruglia. I can't remember if we've had torn on here before if not I'm surprised that it's taken so long. I think it's probably I think we've got it before. Okay. Glasses song. Love the saw recently at certainly not this week. Okay. Tim didn't get. Next up. Josh we've got one with Becky n Taylor who've collaborated with Aaron Robertson. Wow. Power trio brew. You. Never. So. Much attention. Business. That was moving ballad from the great band. The Bradley Clete goals. And there's nothing interview rhymes with eagles. Trust me. I spent the entire afternoon working on it. I understand if you how quickly you forget, though, I understand why forgot desperado was featured here not too long ago during the birthday wind upset you would what did you say Casey come up with she -ation or the beautiful things that people do for you. It was the eagles had flown. The coop. Much like the. Yeah. Also, a reach also indeed the Brad legals is definitely better. That's incredible. And that should be on T shirt. We're not gonna give away during the one. But if someone wants to take that idea and run with Jonny fairplay, if you're listening. I think that's a good idea. Lindo from Australia might already be working on. The Bradley cly Australian tour God the logo on the shirt. I'd I dare not see it. That's. That that next up. We've got another duo. It's Alex and Emma are and they too are talking about Christians acceptance into a new group of broS such a broad shot show. Broach. Joe? God the votes excuse me. Elizabeth's back his bro emerge calming March Z's in after. That was a jam from Konya Westman and featuring little aqua pump. Akademik evocative Vakhidov week here on the wand off with imagery coursing through your brain canals with all the ferocity of the worst stomach aches Darnell Hamilton Dame. Dame, not good next up. Honorable mentions. It's another Wanda off staple filty is here. And he's talking about some of the outerwear. You might see Ponderosa. Hundred thousand. Ponderosa split. Now got enough coast to get a fetish. So many nerds. The game. And cried if you can then you play just like. These expensive. Probably by jacket from the nearest. That was a great jam by Jimmy TI. I like it. I like that quite a lot. All right. And Josh here to close out the Oural mentions that I have to include another song here from Aaron Robertson. Aaron Robertson has been hard at work all week long. Aaron Robertson loves the wand off he wants nothing more than to be included in the wand off honorable mentions and even the top five Aaron Robertson submitted four different tracks this way. My god. Aaron keep keep doing it. You're gonna make it you're getting there, you're close. Here's Aaron Robertson. Talking about the janey trod. Travesty the challenge this week. Come on. Anyone on this? You know what I should gone higher? Let me let me let me join this. Let me let me join this. We made. I know. All right. That's all. I had to say. I know I'm like the Nick Wilson the Wanda at this point. But it was really good good. That off my chest. So much better. Now. Was so lean Dietz on one of the four one offs from Aaron Robertson. This week Aaron Robertson doing his part to boost the number up to four hundred one off submitted a week. Erin. I love you can send in. One in four one what you don't need to send in for one offs for rob who will not be able to help himself together. One day, you're going to make them remix songs. It's not gonna be good. He needs to live life. You need to live your life. Need to live your life. Don't you dare after the Walking Dead already? Did this? Rick rolled. Fair. The foreign. What's happening on my? All right. Let's get to top five songs in the country. Of course, we sung I should say. Voice. You can vote all week long early. Voting is open. Go to rob website dot com slash vote. Want to vote all week for this week's wound up for the winner from week six, of course, big shout out to Randy new ple who has uploaded everything to our weekly Wanda playlist available to patrons of rob. As a podcast, the cloud. You'll get a link and we've also got it in the robs a podcast patron group and also be on the lookout for music videos of all of the finalists coming to you from Jason Curtis. We're there. All right. Let's get to this week's top five. Of course. Peace and love love any feedback about the top five can be sent to us on Twitter at pineapple boy twenty seven. We're going to start things off with Becky and Taylor who have a song. They submitted multiple. Seconds. They've got us on anthem for this week's loaded out. Good test in Larisa. Comic book. That was a great rock anthem from Ramona grace. Joey, Ramone was real favorite of mine. That was great so bit just that one submit your strong wand off the top five more the one that's strong, the strong Wanda that was a strong one. What's up? Like that song. And you did a great job with it. Next up. Our number two one this week comes to us from the raining season winning champ of the wand off and that would be Tyler Jacob Jones. Goddess song all about the sad feelings that Gabby has towards ally. Christian. Now, he's. He's. Three. These friends. Why is he? He's. Is really a strategy. Maybe want to align with me. Was beautiful song from Dina Bennett Menzel. Oh my God. I loved defense of the crime, we stand crying Queen here on the wa. It's fine. It's fine able cry on survivor all the time all the time. That was great back. Our sometimes people cry after podcasts. Casts. Next up happened next up. I'm proud to announce a new collaboration from a brand new Wanda off artists. They're calling themselves Sammy and the shower man, featuring Corey and all about Christian and his new found proficiency for going into the ocean and getting food. Christian. Fishing show. Approach. Yes. Come with. Thing. Don't do this. Not really sure if this job is essential. Big. Spiel with? Certainly. Eight. David. Opponents. I think he's are the steps. Two. That. That was instructive song from Brenda lonely. Very clever Fisher the Haas's a clever play on the actual title of. That's all right. Shell not. Knickebocker would also work. Nick Wilson finds himself in a box season. Next up. Josh we have our number four Wanda of the week. And this one comes to us from Nick, Fishman Robertson. Wow. This is the one to sending you're in the top. Trying to kill us. And trying to kill us. Nick. And Erin have a song about what Christian has learned about the spear. Hi, my name is Aaron and I approve this one. My best. Everyone wants. Physic-? Physical that we have to dump pick any I'm bond Nedim on the molecule about emerge with three come on the beach and spill some we had been blindsided see is people trying to control the they'd be asking me was that illegal nuclear school cues is braided in the the. Camman commence the science tonight prepared to be informed. What is right now in the Merced boot now wanted to be Crist succumb in the robot? Man, my hypothesis. That was another snappy number from the B B, B Anderson. Honestly, very very good. I also just received a text message from my wife. Ooh, just heard me screaming in the other room. And it says one word and the word is Abe. Okay. Cut it out or w t f it was just text message that my one of my many wives sent me on numerous occasion. I'm moving into an office building soon, and I'm very nervous for doing the wiggle room podcast in like a public space. I'm gonna make many enemies, I'm gonna have to document, the I'll keep you suppose. I want my wife to watch my back anymore. And this is probably saved my life on more times than I can count. Right. Not to get arrested for disturbing the peace. If I do I hear that. There is a public defender on survivor right now who occasionally listens to the podcast. So nick. Call me and then last but not least no top six this week. Because the we have rounded out the top five with a man who's no stranger to making it this far given week of the wand off is it Aaron. There is one. There is one Aaron Roberts in Wanda. That's on accounted for which you can hear on the sound cloud. And trust me. It's quite good. It's not in the top five. That being said we will go to one of the resin wand off stars DJ Lebel Klein he's back talking about what's been going on outside of the game at the Potter. Josh called this the. Might be right. We need one more thing to put it. So what is happening? I think us on. Not on. Ten. What? Probably. Macho? W. We don't know anybody. Send them to. Russa? Really? Wrong song. All. Next. Very reminiscent of the season thirty five winning one. From the La Belle Klein strong effort from DJ about line. I am I'm tickled tickled. Especially the beginning of that song. Sounds like the Junan theme from final fantasy seven for those. Who know what I'm talking about? That's probably ten to twelve people would be my bet. Best bet. I think that's. Liberal estimate. We hope your favorites made the top five this week. And if not as always direct your attention and your feedback to pineapple boy seven on Twitter. Can vote all week long. Rob has a website dot com slash vote Wanda special. Thanks again took heard Clark, Josh Wigley. Oh, you can hear all the songs all your favorites? Even the ones that didn't get picked to go in this sound cloud, robs a website dot com slash patron signing off for the week. This is Casey could genius. What a great job on the one. Work Casey Jason puts in. I think this week broke me. Okay. This week broke me. Broken. All right. Suddenly it's hot in the room. Started off it was cold in the room. And now it's hot. Jacket off. My parka is off the jacket is off. I'm willing to give it to anyone who is cold because hot Haas hot. All right hoc- there. You'll be okay. And one programming note before we start to wrap up the show next week. Joshua. And I are going to be recording the wand off on Sunday evening usually recorded on Monday afternoon. So Aaron Robertson pay attention. Sunday night. We have a busy Monday. A lot of stuff going on is my son Anthony's birthday as well. So that have to go to a dinner party for a student's thesis. Yes. Okay. So we're going to be recording on Sunday night. Josh we're gonna have a big Sunday night plan because we have the oh the wiggle room coming up, and then we're going to be back together on the Walking Dead recap for the first time in a minute. We're going to have all of that coming up one day of fun filled podcast and coming up on Sunday. So just says a note to all the wand off artists that get your wand off in by Sunday afternoon. Okay. So a little bit of a quick turnaround this week on the wand off so get procrastinating out of the way early and then they get pen to paper. On your week number seven one offs or your strong number seven podcasts. Or your strong number seven one. Those are. Okay. All right. So get your emerged one in a day early. All right. We've got so much going on here. Of course, if you haven't heard it yet, I talked about the thirteen archetypes with AJ mass that's up in the podcast feed. I also checked in with the coal. Did he did he say was the Aaron Robertson survivor? David versus. The basics at architecturally good offseason. Podcasts. AJ mask is the thirteen archetypes of the law and off. That's an incredible. Who's the fresh meat whose captain loophole? Who's the marriage of convenience too many? There's a lot. Yeah. Who's the diplomat? Find out coming this off season to rob as podcast. We'll do that. Okay. And then I also check him with the first lady of podcasting as well. On that podcast to get cold thoughts at the merge, what isn't a call. We haven't talked to Nicole on the podcast about survivor since the preseason who is Nicole liking not liking. That's all in one podcast. And then of course, we've got a lot a lot still coming up. And of course, we'll be back with a live survivor node halls after the episode this Wednesday night, and then we will also have kellyn Bechtold on the recap. Mayo of slam town here on this week's feedback show. We'll get back together for the wiggle room. In one week's time, that's incredibly exciting. My survivor ghost island winter pick, and my least favorite survivor player of all time on the podcast in the same. That's all in one week. And of course, if you haven't heard it yet, we invite you to check out the RHA BNB Mike in Liana caught up with Nick yet danza. And then of course, a why Lear lost with David Bloomberg. And Jessica Lewis also up in our survivor feed and our ups feed amazing. There you go. Wow. The content here on RH not to mention we have got a lot of positive feedback about the recap of this week's Walking Dead. But I did Jessica. I seem to enjoy it. Kid. Also, Josh wiggle get together with Jessica lease at some point also to talk about Walking Dead as well. That is correct. I'm looking forward to that. That's happening in an hour and a half from the time that we finished recording post show recap that I'm Poche. Poche mention I have also been covering the final season of house of cards on post show recap. So I've gotten back together with Zach Brooks to cover the final eight episodes of house of cards every single episode of that show since season two. And so we're time we're gonna we're gonna put the showdown, eight episodes. Yeah. Put it down. And so the first of those with Zach brook that's up on postal recap. So we will have the rest of the slate coming out in November on post show recap. So a lot of also may have a bonus arriver podcast a second bonus over this week. Oh, any tease anything? This is news. I don't like to say what it is. If these things fall through. Tell me when we finish. Sure. Sure. Sure. It's not going to be too much game talk. But. Working on something else for you guys as well. So so much stuff going on. I am having a great time so much podcasting. I'm doing almost nothing else. But this is I'm feeling I'm back to my roots. Josh what's new, you know, this is this is a classic day in the life of me in front of this microphone. It's my favorite happy. You're happy, man. All right. Well, you're at the top of your game, bro. Chacho killed this week. And you may have killed me. I hope you're okay. Hope your wife isn't too concerned about you. Response. Of course, four everything we have going on with the rob has a podcast. Hey tree on program. You get access to all of the Wanda tracks for the week the patron five for five the monthly patron cast, happe- sewed so much more. Go to rob dot com slash patron. For more information follow Josh Wigley on Twitter is at round Howard and have a wonderful day. Everybody. Take care have a good one. Bye weirds me out about the Rockstars is when they're doing guitar twang there. Meowing? The cats. Rebranding? My the cats. If we want to dig deeper into that my. My.

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Survivor Wiggle Room: S37 Episode 8 with Josh Wigler

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Survivor Wiggle Room: S37 Episode 8 with Josh Wigler

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Ed, grays dot com with promo code, rob. To get your free box of healthy. And delicious snacks. Josh. Learn. Learn. Lurk ler. Josh Wigley you've been slammed the best season. I don't. When three Dave's team together to blindside, the mayor George Bush e of to she it's the best season of. Donut. And that was this year's holiday one. That's it. No more. Okay. So we knocked out. All right. Oh my God. That's out of the way. That's all right mic wig ler. How are you buddy? I am so thrilled to be here. I have honestly this has been the hardest wait between a survivor episode ending and the wiggle room beginning that I have experienced since the formation of the wiggle room. Why I have just been so excited to talk about this app. You you're giddy. I am giddy. I am thrilled. I rob. I don't think that I've ever enjoyed survivor more since I started covering survivor. I was trying to think about this the other day. I started like actively covering the show on a regular basis the one world notwithstanding and then doing some blogging for you. But like the full on doing interviews with everybody that started for me, probably the finale of cock? Theon and that was one of the great great experiences of my life. But the week to week episode by episode coverage of survivor, I have not enjoyed it. More than here on David versus Goliath, whether or not this is the best season of all time Donut me or not. This has just been the most fun. I have had with survivor since I have been on the ground reporting about it. I'm just having a blast this tremendous. It was so good so much fun. This is ridiculous. What are ridiculous week of survivor? I feel like that Kagi on was that for me. I'm trying to remember where we having fun during second chances. I mean, personally speaking not to pull the curtain back too much. I was kind of a horrible time. It was terrifying. I you were to gut it too much invested in everybody know, I was filling in for fish back on the know, it alls, and I had to see how horrible I was doing every single week in the comments section, and it was a nightmare a nightmare. That was terrible. That wasn't great. That'd being said, I was just rewatching Cambodia for thing that I was doing. And it's the first time I had rewatch it since all of that went down. And that's going to be a very fun chapter of the evolution of strategy. Let me say thing you were doing with not the strategy. Just to be clear. Yes. That's correct. That's correct. It was not the evolution of strategy. We are not touching that for lis lis. May. We're not even starts at until after season forties over. But if you want to start at thanksgiving holiday or whatever evolution strategy dot com for that thirty seasons of survivor available. This holiday present. Absolutely for. Yes. Yes. Okay. All right. So Josh lot to get to. I guess a why don't we start off with this big tribal council where the mayor of slam town ends up being the one to go home in this truly epic blindside. It was amazing. I mean, and I thought that Johnny impact was fantastic on the show, and it's sad to lose him. And all of that. I mean, he he was really honestly, I think he was better for podcasting perhaps as a hot take then he was for sheer entertainment value on the show. I think the surprising thing you've talked about this on the podcast already about John was that you expect him to be like this big brash John rocker type or, you know, just like some major shit talker. And that was not the case that just was not the guy that we got on this show, the guy we got on the show was a pretty genuine guy seemed like a really nice guy was liked by everybody. It seemed like both by. The players and fans alike. And so to see him go down in this way. It's brutal because this was someone who you really really enjoyed as a human being. And I think somebody who was a real Wednesday night delight of a surprise of a human being. And he goes out this way, but it feeds into this incredible slingshot moment here on David versus Goliath that I thought was just so much fun to watch. And I think it's also just a testament to the fact that we're at this point where there's very few people that you actively we want to see go home at this point. So there's this great but talked about him. It was fantastic. Josh if we're going to project out the rest of the season, and hypothetically, if the mayor of slam town made it hypothetically, you want to say either Angelina goes home at this trial counsel or Christian goes home at the travel council. What is the outcome of the season? What what how does the rest of the season play out if John survived that night? Well, I think that the easier way to chart. That course would be if Christian where to go home in this in this spot or another David because I think once Christian goes home here or another David goes home here. I think it becomes a really difficult path for David's to to rebound like maybe one or two gets dragged towards the end as just like those spare votes along the way, maybe one of them can pull out like some sort of Vanuatu Chris type of move and ninja past the rest of the goliaths. But let's just say Christian goes home, David goes home here. I think it would be mostly a frogmarch for the guy. It's and you would see a mostly Goliath, heavy final seven if not entirely Goliath -i in the final seven. And I think that's one of the reasons why it was really wise to take out John of all the people here to go back to talking about Cambodia for a second. It really reminded me in a lot of ways of the move where the three witches get savage outta that game where they knock him out. And they take out this guy who is really the number one cheerleader of bio. On strong and making sure that everybody from his original harmonious family sticks together. And once he is unplug. The game becomes a lot more volatile all the site in where suddenly you're in this place, where we're Sierra should be going home next for sure, and she is able to sneak by a few more votes and only gets voted out of the game by the good graces of Jeremy playing an idol for fish. There's there's a lot of similarities to that moment for me here, at least in terms of what the potential of getting rid of somebody like John is because I think of John had stayed in the game. I think if John and hung around. I imagine Goliath stays pretty tight and John's probably in a really good spot. Once they get down to basically, just goliaths. Do you think that there's anything to this where we're looking at this from here on out where such a big move happens at the final twelve do you think that other people want to make equally big moves or will? Try to replicate some of the fireworks that just sort of anecdote only, you think is that a thing for the future of survivor for this seat of the rest of the season where where a big move was made idols were played for other people you feel like that other people were really try to follow suit. Or do you think that things will get more conservative after this? I mean, I hope that it's the first thing I hope that we're in fireworks territory. I think that we're in a really exciting spot in the season right now. And I think you you go back to last week's wiggle room. Somebody called me out on this on Twitter. I think that I had said that we were probably due for like a really straightforward boring tribal council this past week to eulogize that hot take. Nope. That was not the case. That was definitely not what went down. So I guess maybe I should say that we're going to be in for a really boring remainder of the season with the hopes that I'm going to be proved so. That's a real snooze fest is what we are looking for for the rest. What do you do you think? Do you think it's going to be big and bombastic moving forward or what I mean, not speaking from experience as you could have a really great season. At the end starts to get really boring when like people have like sort of a stranglehold on sort of end game. But we I think we are still pretty far away from that was that a thinly-veiled help. Nope. Sunglasses down shading of ghost island by any of definitely not. But in terms of the mayor of slam town, he he did bring a lot to the show. But in terms of where the game was going with him in it. I do think that that was more of a straight shot as opposed to a scenario where he's really bouncing around with the different alliances. Yeah. I think we got what we I think we got everything that we needed to get out of John Hannigan on survivor. I don't know if that's all do respect. Exactly. Like, I mean, I think that he was he was really fun. The whole the confessional where he lists out off his nicknames was absolutely tremendous. I always loved seeing how like he was this gigantic guy who also felt like he could be vulnerable enough to say how I he gets socially awkward. He feels anxious. Sometimes I thought that that was a really cool thing to have this huge muscle, man. Like this man whose made of granite just talking about how inside like he's a little bit of a of a week guy. And he wants to express that a little bit more. I thought that that was cool. I I really. Enjoyed that. I just don't know how much more we were going to be getting out of him compared to some of the people that are left behind here. But frankly, all three of the names that came up at tribal council Angelina, John and Christian in a perfect world. I didn't want to see any one of them go. But I think of those three I think the one that I will I will be happiest about to lose is John just because I think the sources of drama that Christian and Angelina brings to the table. I think are a lot greater. Okay. All right. So Josh you today or on Monday had a great interview that dropped with the host of survivor about everything that's going on. Can you tell us about your interview with Mr. Jeff ropes? Yes. So I've been doing these active player interviews along the way here on HR dot com slash survivor for David versus Goliath, and we took a brief pause on that not cat pause. Like actual time out on that for this week where I sat down. With the provost with the most to get his take on how David versus Goliath is rolling the Spar, which was nice because I haven't actually had that check in with him since the preseason about this. And we used to do the weekly thing. And we haven't been doing the weekly thing on HR this season anymore. So it was nice to have a real. Sit down of just like chewing the fat on everything that happened in this past episode. We really kind of drilled down specifically into this vote and the key players involved with some casting stories about John and Nick and Christian and Davey. I think it's a it's a good read. I I'm very proud of it. I'm I'm very happy without turned out. Yeah. You can read the whole thing at t- HR dot com slash survivor. So Josh could you give us a couple of nuggets of for people? What were some of your big takeaways from your lengthy conversation with Jeff there was a lot. There is a lot in there that I that I really enjoyed getting his take on. I thought that one of the one of the most compelling things was actually at the very end when we I asked him to kind of forecast. What's coming down the pike? What's what are we looking for in terms of the future of the season without getting into spoilers or anything? But in terms of the trajectory, and what he had said was in terms of what's. Come this season. It's similar to win. We're tracking the path of a storm. That is projected to hit us oftentimes, those storms end up veering off their path and die in the ocean. But some storms never deviate from their path. That's what happened with the cyclone that forced the evacuation earlier in the season. It was projected to hit us. And it did that's how I feel about this season the path. It's on right now is the path that stays on. I think it finishes strong, and I hope fans feel the same way. So that's encouraging. Right. Like that sounds like. Ooh. Like, I wanna I wanna see that season. I wanna see this season continue down the path. It's on a like the path. It's on. Yeah. That's encouraging certainly more encouraging than if Jeff said the opposite. He's not gonna come on your say sorry the rest of the season suck. Yeah. Yeah. So so that's. Take it with a grain of salt. But encouraging to hear you didn't change the subject though, he didn't change the subject. But I also asked him if he could share any insight into what he's thinking in terms of how this is all gonna wrap up with the live finale and the reunion show, and if there were any format tweaks he's mowing over so I'd be curious to get your take on this, rob, you know, a little bit a little bit circular. But I think at the very least I think it breaks down how Jeff views the final episode of given season of survivor. So this is what Jeff says for the live show. I'm always torn about how best to produce that show. I'm open to ideas. Personally. I view our three hour finale night as just that three hours of survivor. The question becomes how best to spend the time. Not simply what will garner the best rating? But also what best serves the show. It starts with our final episode, which is scheduled for two hours. But because we have that third hour reserved for the reunion show. We don't worry if we go bit long. We have the time. The second layer. Is the live feel you want to create on finale night you want it to be an event night. So that the fans get excited, and if someone new comes across the finale, they might be excited at check us out, and we might gain new fan. Then the final piece is the reunion show where we reflect with the players about the season. That's how I prioritize it spend as much time as you need to make sure the finale is great make it feel like a big night. And then spend the remaining time talking with the players, but the network sells the show to advertisers in a certain way, and we obviously have to respect that because without advertisers. We don't have a show. So it's a bit of a puzzle each season, and you try to determine the best way to serve the show the audience, and of course, the network while getting the highest rating, we're very lucky to have a great relationship with CBS. We literally just get on the phone and talk about it and figure it out. I don't think it could be any easier or more mutually respectful. I've heard from friends that it's not always this way on other shows an ominous note to to end that on that's Jeff that's Jeff talking about the. The live show and how he's producing the live show, which I know the live show has been getting its fair share of knocks in recent survivor history, though, I think really like probably for most of survivor. I don't think that you know, how many times in the evolution of strategy man that was an incredible region. Reunion show is the worst show ever. So let me try to decipher what I think Jeff is saying here. Okay. So let me and maybe maybe I'm right? Maybe I'm wrong. I'm not the Jeff whisper. But I think what that what Jeff is saying is look we have three hours. It's not a one hour reunion show. We're going to probably go to about ten twenty five ten thirty on the finale night. We have six people usually at the end. And so we're already cutting the reunion short, then sometimes they make us talk about TKO. That's not my call. I I have to do it. We have a great great thing with CBS. Sometimes Mark Burnett or CBS has a show they wanna promote. That's not my call. Don't ask me. Yes. Yeah. I read that the same way versity I read that the same way. And I'm not mad at it. I'm not mad. I think you know, in monitoring some of the responses to the article and the section about the reunion show in particular. I do think that there's something to be said for the fact that a lot of what you are. You know, you used to be expecting traditionally hoping from the reunion show that Jeff is going to get a chance to talk to everybody, and you're gonna get to hear some kind of update on how everybody's doing or get some insight into what happened in the game. I think a lot of that territory gets covered these days in exit press or in podcast with you or other long-form interviews or whatever that personally, I think that for me if the move becomes a longer finale to comedy the story of six different players that are going to have their fates decided in one episode that's typically. Two hours. But now maybe closer to pushing two and a half. I'm good with that. That sounds fun to me. I would certainly prefer that than have like a rushed to our finale, and then one hour of stuff that's probably going to be kind of redundant a little repetitive. I'm happy with that that works for me. And I could do it at the TKO stuff. But there's there's a business to be run here. It's fine. I mean, I personally would wish that they would start the finale with five people instead of six because I think that we're getting a lot of great final six stuff that probably deserves its own episode. I think that the final six is one of the most exciting votes of the season certainly has demonstrated last season in second chances. And so I do think that that gets yada yada a bit where I think that a week to sort of digest everything that happens out of the final six would be nice. And then the finale because I feel that the finale can be dizzying where it's like immunity challenge tribal council immunity challenge. Tribal council immunity challenge. Fire making challenge, we're just like, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. So much stuff going. I'm going to have one extra immunity challenge in there. But it's a lot. It's a lot. And I think you, and I have talked about this quite a bit of this idea of survivor the movie like it's the it's the movie version of survivor on finale night. And that's kind of what it's become where it is this big action packed odyssey. Or if you prefer where you know, you're you're on this journey to find out who the winner is all of these different hoops that everybody has to go through in order to get there. And I think that final six vote typically as you say it is an exciting vote. And so I can understand it from survivors perspective. It's like, well, let's start with our best foot forward. That's a really exciting tribal council. What start there? Let's have that be the, you know, the tone setter for the finale, and I think it does often make for a really exciting finale. So I don't I don't mind it personally. I do think from like a a podcasting perspective or like the. Online fan engagement of like, I really want to live with an episode for a week to really think about all the possible ramifications for where it can go next. I understand wanting to have that that final six episode on its own. But I also think that there's this quality about the end of the game right now that is so propulsion with that final six final final four final three just like winnowing down so fast over the course of like a big major event every single day that I think it'd be pretty fun. Anyway, I don't know. It's a lot to absorb. I mean in terms of like I- podcast about the show, and it's very hard for me to think back to even last season of like, so I think that Wendell won the six and five immunity. I think the Dominic one the four. But if I can't even recall it right away. Like, I feel like that. It's just like such a blur. Yeah. But I also think and now we're a little bit in the weeds. I think like you I can certainly say this for me like we're in the position of like we now have to immediately like very closely track the very next season. And for me like all of this stuff becomes much until I revisit it. That's just how my brain works. So I don't I don't know what you're going to do about any of that. It's just too much of a free for all. I prefer to you know, I like to sip in saver more than just like. Gorge I like to chug and get blackout drunk. So this works for me. Okay. Let me give you a question that we got from one of our listeners. This is a question from one of our listeners, Richard says, Robin. Josh did you bring up in any of your recent podcasts? Alec mouthing word for word. Jeff Probst challenged speech in episode eight. I thought it was pretty hilarious and really exposed Alec as a superfan us. Now. I did not notice this in my first viewing. But I did see people talking about it on Twitter. Have you seen any of this? No, this is this is brand new news to me. And I just watched the episode five minutes before we got on here. So there's there's no sound clip to play. But where Jeff is talking about. All right. First things first gimme that immunity necklace. He's doing his little spiel before the challenge. Alec is like mouthing the words almost like the teacher is talking and he's pretending like the words are coming out of his mouth. They like it's very funny and unusual never seen anything like that. Wow. Between that and Mike white telling probes to shove it got nothing for you. Jeff is like Jeff's really getting Nogi to pretty hard by the survivors this week. There was this moment. We've got nothing for you. Either. Finally, somebody says what people have been wanting to say. Yes. The cat claps back. Yeah. Jeff did take that very well. Right. Did he did take it? Well, I think if it had come from almost anybody else he would have been like turn off the cameras. I got to see it would be just ripped ripped in half. But Mike white. He can take it from Mike white. That's like getting mocked by Penner. I think it's the power of the fidora by s. Yes. Yes. Josh, we do at least say that. We cover the story and the characters here in the wiggle room. And you touch on this quite a bit in your interview with Jeff about the theme David versus Goliath, and and how well it played out. Do you think that we will see moving forward more themes that are sort of like around a narrative because I have seen a lot of people be very complimentary of the theme not just you in talking with Jeff Probst, but I've seen that a lot of places this week people are actually like a really come around on how well. David versus Goliath is executed. Do you think that we will see this in different forms, or do you think that we will go back to some version of three adjectives that with the same letter? You mean like survivor rocky versus Drako? I mean that would be a natural tie in with creed to survivor. Rick versus Neagh in rocky versus creed versus Drago. I think that. The creed drive is gonna get decimated real fast. It's going to be a real heartbreaker. Yeah. I I don't know. I hope so I think so I think that that would be that'd be the way that I would want to see it go right now. I think that the classification into first about look where I would really like to see it. Go is other locations around the world in my heart of hearts, I think that that is that is something that I do miss from from the show, and I think that that would make things easier especially in this this game that is played of having to figure out. What is the theme every single season? I wish that we could or even if we just like said, no theme, and it's just now survivor thirty nine survivor, forty whatever, you know. I think I would probably ultimately advocate for that in some way, shape or form. But if themes are going to be the the way of it here on here on out moving forward. I think something that kind of frames thing things with this more epic quality than certainly than heroes healers. And hustlers. Did I think that goes island had had a compelling idea? That because of all the various game mechanics that were built into that concept made it really really complicated to follow. But I like this idea of maybe something a little cleaner, and maybe a little more mythological in nature than doing like the third ration- of brains. Beauty Braun all due respect to both of those seasons, which are fantastic seasons. And maybe not the best examples to knock in terms of him. Do you think it's more likely that we see David versus Goliath to coming soon? More some different spin on David versus Goliath, where it's little MAC versus piston Honda. Versus glass Joe versus super. Mario man. Yeah. I don't think. So I don't think so I think when when millennials versus gen X happened, and that was such a that was a really fun season as well. I really enjoyed watching that season. I loved how how they slugged it out on that one. I really expected that we were going to see either millennials gen-x to or millennial island even potentially and survivor did not go back to that. Well, or that wall that will wall, but I don't expect that they're going to do the same thing here with with David versus Goliath. I don't think that they're going to do David versus Goliath too. I think that they're going to want to do a post mortem on what worked well with this theme. What can we divine from that? And how can we apply that to a new idea? I think one of the things that's characteristic of survivor in its thirties is and this is not without exceptions to the rule. What I'm about to say is that they're not looking back quite as much. I think that they really are moving forward. Maybe at a at a pace that is alarming for many people which brought us to advantage. Get in in game changers. Exceptions to the rule being the fact that goes island is literally built on looking back and game changers is a thin pale imitation of Cambodia. But I think that you see where like rather than have several seasons in a row where the only new advantage. That's been thrown into the game is an extra vote survivor immediately in the very next season of to that idea into the vote steel, there's this idea that there's there's things that are just constantly being added in terms of the different elements within the game that I think that that speaks to the fact to me that they're probably not going to want to spin their wheels on the same theme. Whether or not they end up coming up with a really good compelling theme. That's a worthy successor of what they've come up with this season, which. It's not like the most, you know, ultra shut it down, slam dunk genius theme of all time. But it's a genius. It's it's it's it's clean. You know? It's a clean theme where I think that you understand whether or not you can quibble with who will end up on David and who wound up on Goliath. I think that you can you can get your head around the idea that this tribe is supposed to be filled with underdogs in this tribe is must filled with people who have it a little bit easier and watch them go to work like it's just a a much straighter idea than some of the things we've seen in the past. I just think that survivor kind of has this idea of just like a shark like a shark. Rob. Oh, always always move in got to be moving moving forward and all times you and I hear in the wiggle room. We do try to always keep moving forward and looking ahead to what's to come this Wednesday night thanksgiving eve, we'll get our ninth episode of survivor David versus Goliath, we had this huge shakeup in the game this week. Josh, how do you think the dust will settle coming into Wednesday night? I think Davey Rickenbacker is going to eat. Everybody alive is what I think is going to happen. That's what I think is going to happen next. You can't we cannot. We can no longer discount. Devilish davey. I think devilish Davies just going to annihilate everybody who is currently on the beach. Okay. Why is this your new winner pick? No. It's not my new winter pick. I can't I can't deviate away from Dr Alison I made Dr Alison my pick. I'm riding Dr Alison as my winner pick till till the end of time or until the end of her time in the game at the very least now I just love Davey. I thought David was fantastic this week. And it was super amazing. And I really enjoyed watching what David did. And it's crazy to me that Davey wasn't even supposed to be there. And then he's out there and his name is Dave and he slaves. The most Goliath the Goliath is just it's remarkable. It's just great stuff. I just wanna I just wanna watch Davey as the David just completely sleigh. Everybody at least for a little while that would be very very fun for me. Okay. I hear that. He was doing the Morgan stick twirls. Yeah. Well, this is dream to be in. The Walking Dead. You know me being out here. Already feel like I'm a part of an apocalypse, which is my other dream. Who dreams that? They're they want to be in an apocalypse. I mean, I understand that being like, a recurring nightmare. Yeah. It's weird thing say. Yes. John with this final eleven. Okay. So you're you're you're high on Davey. But what does it look like in terms of the vote? Do you think that we will see the goliaths scatter like the breaking a rack in the opening up a pool game? I think that the yeah, I think that that's right metaphor, not a pool guy. You gotta ask my uncle, Phil. I think I know from Canada. What do you do that? By the way, Phil Phil from BelAir. I think I expected the David's are going to stick together. I don't know if the goliaths are going to are going to ban together store, they're going to move apart. But if I'm the David's, and I'm that five I use that three of them already know about the steel of right? Like, they already know about the votes deal. This is your time to just yank that away from one of the goliaths and take Goliath out. I would be here we go again. So Dave it's going to go home. I would be very surprised if if Goliath doesn't go home next that would be that would be my thinking coming into this. I think it just makes so much sense to us this vote steal right here right now when the numbers are as close as they are when it's six to five Goliath against David, and you can very very swiftly just yanked that away and make a move on Goliath. Now, I'd be surprised if that doesn't happen in this week's episode. Do you want to call your shot on which Goliath it could be oh? That's a good question. I don't know. I agree with you. I do agree with you. I do feel like that. The David's even though they don't have the numbers. Do have the edge with the vote steel and potentially with Alec being the flipper with Dan having just played his idol. I could see them thinking that that's a little bit of a hot stove to place all of your eggs in that jacket. So I could see them wanting to go against somebody who is like decisively close to dance. I could see being CARA CARA could be somebody that we see go home in this week's episode. I'm hoping it's not Angelina because she's so much fun. And I don't wanna lose Angelina yet. Here's this. Okay. Josh let's try a new game. Okay. I've got a big Goliath pumpkin pie. Okay. Let's assign percentages to what slice of the Goliath pie. Are we going to serve up on thanksgiving eve? All right. Are you gonna keep track of I'll keep track? It's going to end up to one hundred. We're not gonna have Kayla math here. Okay. Okay. All right CARA. Cara gets a huge chunk of pie for me. I think that care advice. I think Kerry gets big slice of pie. So we're talking about six people here. I don't want to give her too much. I don't want to I want to. Withhold pie from everybody else. How would I start with somebody? Who who I don't think know be how about we? Go. We go there, and I feel decently good about Alec because our has been shown to want to work with the David's before I could see him after our move like the one that happened in this past week being like, yeah. Cool. You guys really are are the people I want to work with. Let's let's just let's just do this. I could see getting a like a five percent slice of by percent. Okay. Yeah. Sliver. And I think that five percent looks like, hey, this guy screwed us over last week. Let's let's owed him out. And they somehow have a maybe whether it's a David coming on. So okay. Five percent of very sliver, Alex. Like, let's get a taste. Instead, I already regret that. Because I think you just articulated good reason for why out. Well, I mean, I don't think he'll ADL happen. Like numerically? I'm not sure that makes a ton of sense. Or like if Alex somehow pisses off, the David's also there, let's just get rid of that guy. Votes steel at the next vote where we're almost like getting a free vote. But can we trust them? So I think that that is the one where potentially it could go home. So I'm I'm torn now on on the next BIC of Mike or I was always going to say Dr Mike. He no Dr. We. We've been away from Dr bike for a little while micro. Dr Alison was what I was going to say about talking about. I haven't heard from him in in months. Have you really not heard from Dr Mike in months, it's been a very long time. I wonder if he's out Dr Mike, and I were texting the other day. I will assure you that that Mike is is still alive and out there and doing just fine. In fact, he hadn't heard from him in a good long while and then he texted be something absolutely ridiculous. But is not going to be super entertaining for five casting purposes while I was wearing Z urology shirt just by chance. So the the forest ghost of Dr Mike the Astro means project. And so I so it's not since my birthday have I so it'll be a one month. Exactly since you've been when you're listening to this not not to go on too much of a distraction. Okay. So I agree with you, Mike white, and Dr Alison I feel like comfortable giving them almost. Zero percent of the potty see. But that's why I want to give them a little bit more than I would give Alex is because I think that these could potentially be safe people to to go after like, if you're worried about another idol being out there. If you're worried that an idol could be played on somebody that is whether whether Dan has an idol or if Dan has an I don't he's willing to play it on on CARA. I think that you can't imagine that Mike are are really going to be, you know, the people who are going to be why thought to be protected in a moment like that. So I could imagine both of them being in a little bit of danger just as like an outside the box pick. But we're giving away too much pie. We're going to get to like Angelina and realize that we've got like a quarter of the pie left for her. And I think that we should then take the same sort of sliver that we gave Alec and cut it in into really. That's it. That's all the pie. We're gonna give. What's the tell me? What would you do it? You you you you've got the knife. You've got. A pie carved up. Let's do it. Like, what are we seeing on Wednesday night where Mike white is getting voted out? I mean, he's not he's not a super likely pick. Alec is probably a like we are picked because he is the challenge God that he has been and maybe you could see people backfiring on him. And then you could see all the Dave is being like, I think that the wind is just blowing an ex direction. So maybe even though he was showing that he was willing to work with us. We could just shave down the Goliath by one. So maybe boost Alex pie portion up to ten and you give five and five to Allison. And Mike how about that guy? Now, we got twenty percent of the pie is taking care. You're wasting a lot of pie. But I'll I'll buy, you know, I don't want to argue over dessert I'm trying to trying to divide the pie in a way that leaves us with options. And now we've got eighty percent of the pie. I am reading dessert eater. Josh. I watch what my kids are eating like, they're wasting it. I could've been I could've been eating this desert. But I like pumpkin pie. I don't love pumpkin pie. So I'm happy to give away. I'm happy to share the wealth because I don't need any for myself. All right. It was apple crisp. We'd be talking different game. Okay. Now, there is also the possibility that a David could go home. We're not figuring that out. That's a different pie that only different pie. That's an apple pie. And that we're not gonna talk about that today. No. That's that's a different pie. A raspberry. Pi is something that is not on this island. So let's let's keep talking pumpkin pie. All right. So that leaves us with three and how Christian is familiar with the raspberry pi? However, you want a sign it out. I think that I would rank it this way, I think that CARA would be my number one pick. Then I think that I would put Dan than Angelina. I think is the way that I would go in terms of the biggest to least amount of pie. I think I would start with Angelina because I think that we have already established Angelina does not have an idol. So if you were going to take a shot on her I think that people don't know that Dan has a second of which might be. Okay. Well, let's take the shot on, Dan. And knows he has the idol. So there's you know, they may get a shot in on, Dan. But Dan, may he actually may be able to thwart it with an idol and that could be where bounces off. And then something crazy happens a lot. I would give Angelina the biggest slice of the pie. I just think that Angelina has been so high profile, and I mean, I guess the argument there would be that since she. Is so high profile everybody wants to just do what they can to make sure she goes on. Maybe she's an agreeable person to vote out next. But I think that like from the David's perspective the person that you want to get rid of. Now, I think is somebody that is in the mold of John Hanoch in somebody who is like uniformly liked across the game. Or at least somebody who was like uniform Lee, really really tight gung ho glass, Goliath, Goliath, all the way it gets Angelina falls under that category that she has been beating the Goliath strong drum. But she's also been shown to be like really shut down by some of the people that she's been playing with. I feel like the unplugged that person from the game when you could go after somebody who's like a little bit more of a a decisively valued member of that alliance. I think that's probably the person that I would want to target if I'm Dave. And that's why I would go with CARA or Dan over Angelina personally. I think there's also a possibility that Dan and Angelina who have had friction are also poisoning the well against each other. Right. Like, if they suspect there could be something coming, although it wouldn't necessarily know about the votes steel, but of Alec looks as though he's going to be joining forces with David like, I just. I don't know who's leading the charge for CARA. I think the reason to go after someone like Caras similar to the logic of why you go after Jessica in triple h when when you wanna if you wanna week in coal, you go after Jessica if you want to weaken, Dan, maybe you go after care. I think CARA has also been shown in the past to be somebody who is very social and very good at making friends with people everybody in the game seems to really like CARA, and I think that that to me is a compelling person to remove from the game right now because that would just further send Goliath into a tailspin to get rid of CARA who I think in many respects of the three people were talking about. I think is possibly the strongest of those three the strongest player of those three. Okay. So yeah, you have eighty percent of this guy to give out at this desert table who who is do you think CARA should get the biggest slice of this pot? I don't know, man. I hate this. This is terrible. This is math. I told you last week. I didn't want to do that. Orioles. And then you blindsided me with more. Matt didn't come into your thinking. It'd be math. I think it's fun to actually, you know, put our name on something that we are come. We're gonna come away from this podcast. And then this is the person we think is the most likely to go home, the second most likely third most likely but pie percentages are reductive at arbitrary. They all say the same the same thing about people want us to have some concrete like put ourselves out there if we can't then who. All right. I'm gonna give. I'm gonna give. Geez. Gosh. No. This is terrible. Podcasting. I'm going to give thirty percent of the pie to CARA. Okay. You've fifty left. I'm going to get thirty percent of the pie to Dan. Okay. Twenty two Angelique. I'm gonna give twenty percents Angelina. I'm going to say that I think that care or Dan will go this week. I think if they're gonna they're gonna do something, and it's going to be like, really risky and crazy. They'll go after Dan if they want a more conservative play, they'll go after CARA, and I just don't think that Angelina story and here, I think that there's more Angelina for us. And and I think she's the wrong person to go after right now about is. I think like if things get crazier and crazier with Goliath. I think that Angelinos potentially somebody that you wanna have still around because if the Goliath start flailing, and they need to like a stopgap everything that's going on like stop, the bleeding. They'll want to go after somebody who they could agree with on the David's with David's that maybe they could all be on the same page and got rid of Angelina. So I think Angela is gonna make it through the thanksgiving episode. And I think that it's going to be one of Dan or care, but I can't pick which one if you really want me to do thirty one to one and twenty nine of the other. That's why you can make it the same. Do you look it's a pie chart you can give them the same. So Josh wig layers saying that thirty percent of the pie is going to care. Thirty percent of the pie is going to Dan twenty percent of the pie is going to Angelina. And then the last twenty percent five is going to Allison five is going to Mike in ten is going to Alec. My I feel like it's you know, it's I brought my own pie. And I'm going to cut it up this way. I might be really lost people lost unless you unless you I basically I'd give almost nothing to. I'd give crumb to Mike white into Allison five percent to Alec. And then I have bought back a lot of the lot of the pie here. And I think I would end up with what whatever's left I go about maybe forty two Angelina. Thirty two Dan twenty five to care and then five to Alec and then crumbs to the other people. I think that's right. All right. Let's see five we'll hear about it. If it's not like we're going to hear about it. Either way. This is the worst segment wiggle room history. It is that's the worst. I think it's pretty up there. I'd love to see what some of the other contenders are Q the avalanche of Wanda haters who say it's the one. Oh, okay. All right. So Josh anything else? I'm sure that we will. We will. We will. We will find anything else on the pizza that pizza the pizza. I imagined Nicole was not thrilled at the sight of the pineapple pizza. Didn't bother me. I would have been thrilled to have a bite of that pizza in that moment. It looks. Good pizza looked good pretty good. They had so much pizza to pizzas. Bautista an insane amount of pizza and on top of that the garlic bread. Oh my God. Don't don't make out with any of those people after that meal. Good. What did you think about this hot take from Alec? I don't wanna cross, bro. I would've taken the cross. I thought that there was like the moment. We're like oh, save some for the end. Don't eat it all before the last person. I thought Dan who was the last person to eat any of the pizza looked like he had the sweetest bite of them. All he. No, he was he was left with the final bite. And there was like a decent amount of like crust sauce and cheese. And there they must have like all been like taking like real like baby bird bites. And then they they gave him like a real. Well, I don't think anybody wants to be outed as well. You took the big bite. Maybe you want like final bite is. Maybe maybe that's what Tyson's move was gonna pick last. Okay. Yeah. All right. Josh anything else before we get into the wand off. No, I just I loved it. I thought that the whole thing with the, you know, in the beginning of the episode and finding the votes deal was so much fun. I'm excited for your shirts. I'm excited for Stephen fish Bax shirt that already existed. Explain what you're talking about. There's an episode of survivor Cambodia which again, I was rewatching. And then I watched this episode of David versus Goliath where Nick is talking about. How this multicolored insignia the the advantage clue looks like it would be awesome on a shirt. I've got the clip here, Nick symbol. I remember from the merge looks like a cool eighties. Bizarre. I can put on a t-shirt. Yeah. And then I was like, wait a minute. I just saw that shirt. And I went to watch the episode of survivor came buddy that I had just been watching. We're Stevens on the jury. He's wearing that design as like as like a Tommy Bahama like it's just incredible. The inspiration for go ahead and check out. Josh. We lose Twitter for the visual on that. And if you want to take a look at our merge feast clue inspired a t shirt and original design from Brian Molloy. Check that out along with all of our other R H A P apparel, ad RHA store dot com. All right. Josh before we get into the wand up. Let me go ahead. And thank a sponsor, those our friends over at legacy box. Now holidays are coming up. And I think this is such a great gift idea for anybody in your family. 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I have so many home videos of me dancing, like a fool at the elementary school lip sync where I flipped off the whole auditorium. I need I need that to be digital like Elizabeth Olsen. Yeah. Except except this one I meant I really meant. Then I want that immortalized forever. You can't scrub it off the internet. You could become the family hero this holiday season. When you bring back lost memories. Forever. Ready to watch and see again, just go ahead. Send your legacy box filled with your old, home, movies and pictures Vale do the rest professionally digitizing your moment's onto a thumb drive. Digital download or DVD with easy to follow instructions safety bar codes included on every single item over four hundred and fifty thousand families have trusted legacy box over a decade of experience. And all the work is done my hand right here in the USA. And they've got a great offer for our listeners has never been a better time to digitally, preserve your memories. Visit legacy box dot com today to get started. Plus for a limited time, they're offering our listeners, an exclusive discount. Go to legacy box dot com slash rob. Forty percent off your first order or save up to two hundred dollars on the largest legacy box. Kid, go to legacybox dot com slash rob. And say forty percent today. Get started preserving your past. Now, Josh when we were talking about the goliaths, and we were splitting up the pumpkin pie. I feel like you were you were you were losing interest have been more interesting for you. If we were cutting up a pineapple pizza pot. Yeah. Definitely I would have taken the least by Napoli bid out of solidarity with Nicole. But I would have eaten I would have beaten whatever just give me the pizza. There you go any. Remind me to leave your happy rest of my mind. Then just eat your. You could trade. The rest of you. Wanda few things the pineapple pizza was more pandering to RH AP because it was time. So well with the recent birth of pineapple boy twenty-seven, yes, I think so I think they really wiggle room. I one out pineapple boy twenty-seven, that's the way that's the way. Yes, I'm excited to get into the wand off today. I saw that. There was some recent debate about how you spell wand off. I didn't realize this was controversial. But I saw this in the rob has a patron Facebook group. And there was some question about it and just to clear it up. I I'd seen some people wonder if it was Wanda like hyphenated W A N D hyphen o f f I just spell it. Wanda just W A N F F hyphen. No. I just go one word. It's not like Spiderman where you have to hyphenate the spider and the man is just wander off. I I like Steve Chung had a great suggestion that it was one dollars off where it's a man named one last name doff DOS. I thought that was great. And if there's anybody named one who listens to the wand off, I will if you could verify that you are truly this person. I will give you a wombat. Wow. Imagine very like verifiably like this cannot be like a like a fake thing. If you're actually wand off, I want to know, you imagine Josh close your eyes. They'll tell you face story of you're sitting on the beach season, thirty nine Fiji man, sits the table in front of you you say to him. Okay. Tell me about yourself. He says my name is Wanda off. Yes. Instant winner pick immediate winner Fiqh and likely I went out. I am waiting for you to play survivor. We all we all are. Okay. All right last week and the wiggle room a week seven one off third place with seventeen point five three percent of the vote as tabulated by the tackle later, Kurt Clark. Who's back from his voyage at sea third place last week. Scott, you pack, Aaron Robertson in third place with the song that was all about the factory hills educational song, very educational, okay? In second place last week with eighteen point six three percent of the vote. I believe this is the first time to the top three four mad from Waterloo with cry. Nice dot Gabby. Wow. No tears at second place. That's really good. No tears. But it was a bit of a runaway this week. You would say the winner got. The lion's share of pumpkin pie. Huge share of pumpkin pie may have a stomach ache with forty six point eight five percent of the vote almost half of the whole darn pie. And it was Alex g with Elizabeth's feud symphony. Stupid dispatches inside your lie through crew crew new do now you do do do do. Liz. Angelina few. Yeah. Congratulations to Alex g going back to this season's final wand off. Of course, that will take place the week before the finale episode. So look for the final wand off to take place mid December of this year. Oh my God. We're getting close we're getting very close. I also really liked that song from Alex g because when he starts repeating the word feud feud feud over and over again, I hear it as if you few few like I'm entering a few state, and I'm not going to be held accountable for my actions while listening to the rest of the song. Okay. A man who also is never held accountable for his actions. Let's bring in the host of the wand of and it is Mr. K C k som, rob. It's a pleasure. The back here countdown though Wanda of hits for a week number eight, Josh happy thanksgiving. Thank you. Casey, happy thanksgiving. To you. How much pumpkin pie should we have reserved for you? I couldn't believe how terrible the pumpkin pie segment was. It wasn't guys. You guys hit a new low? Rob should do one less podcast a week. Wow. Come up with new material. I mean, I don't disagree personally. But I shouldn't say any more than that. Because then we're going to get very rude or self sabotaging. All right. All right. Let's get this week's honorable mentions. So many great songs over forty Wanda. Tracks are on the soundcloud playlist for week number eight of survivor, David versus Goliath. Oh my God. It's a lot. We still haven't quite cracked four hundred one. I feel like I cared Aaron away. Josh before we get to the honorable mentions next time, you talked to Jeff probes wanted to pitch you on a new survivor theme idea. Do what is it? It's called survivor Casey at the bat. So is it is it just like you. There's a team of Casey's and a team of people playing against mud Ville. Okay. I like it. Everybody is a Casey or the pitchers trying to strike out. Okay. I'm here for it. Let's get this week's are mansion jam packed week of survivor. David versus Goliath this week. We've got a honorable mention from one of our listeners named mad pay who wants to talk about the trail that went on when Mr. Mike white decided to vote against his buddy from the Rockstars in. Nick wilson. I don't know what's going on with. I thought we were on the same page. What else what's the media? Like, we were moms. John's. Too. That was from hit musical cats, Edison. Nice as I don't believe it or not. I don't know cats. Very well. Even though I do love Andrew, Lloyd Webber. But I do know the character who I was hoping you would credit as Mr. missed awfully see when eras. Coming soon to off Broadway theater near you. Oh my gosh. They're making the movie everybody is going to be in this movie. Making the cats movie. It yourself is going to be in it rebel will did by Mike white. I would hope that he's in. I hope that Nick Wilson Mr. Stafa lease. This is what I want out of life. If nothing else, this is it. Bye. Every single one just to fake it happen. Next up is Mr. era Verson, and he's back together with his cO collaborator, Nick Fishman. And they're here to talk about what Davey was up to Nick was looking for the advantage. The wisconsin. Suba? Strip. They found could cost. Just gotta use it with time. Three. They say. Complicated. The common with the skit with. That was a song from the artist Carl Boudreau Douglas. Oh, man. I can't say enough for how much I enjoyed Davey doing the full Star Wars kid. To distract everybody on that beach. It was just unbelievably fantastic anybody put a lightsaber on the stick that Davey was holding. Wow. I have not seen it. And that is rising. And I certainly hope by end of day on Tuesday November twentieth. We do get that. That's something. We deserve in our lives. Davy The Empire Strikes Rickenbacker. Oh my God. I mean, we definitely have that chapter is named The Empire Strikes. Rickenbacker is is already set. We've we already have The Empire Strikes back. If it makes sense for us to have The Empire Strikes Rickenbacker. Next up. We've got another one of our listeners Jason who was very fixated on Davies diversion. This. Classic from Phil Aaron Collins. Wow, remarkable true. It's really wonderful mesmerizing. Next up. We had a lot of people that wanted to talk about that epic private counsel here. Sammy and this hour, man. What do you wanna mess? Watch. Good light. There's gonna fall slingshot him in the head. The one that got us. Stop in the middle of the song showing our have. When are have. Haters, the haters, go talk to see post merger seasons only getting greater don't at me. Weightless said, it's the greatest leave seeing all that about a be Knicks clue looks like. This is fresh. And the beach and the bird and the tree and all this drawing. It's awesome. Yes. Yes. But we gotta talk about Nick invaders. Nick and Davey. Did. It. That was a classic jammed from will Susie Smith. I like that to hear from Susie this week. We had epic blindside that the tribal Council Mr John Morrison as he said goodbye to is fellow cast mates from survivor. David versus Goliath. This is controlling the job. You really? Green. Them mostly glad data's day. This is John, bro. Gracious. And you voted most kick you. But the job is yours if you could start today. Okay. Was beautiful classic from David Bowie versus Goliath. A great visual. I have to admit I was temporarily. Confused listening to that song at first when I thought that it was an ode to the mayo jar mayor, John as like what the hell does Nick out to do it. You got the wrong guy. It started to make more sense after the fact. Trouble with Nick earlier this week. I don't want to rehash it. But it was bad. Not great. It was not great. It's the worst. I have felt on social media in a long time. Don't Abby abbey. Don't nobody's done. This is major. Crowd control to mayo jar. Yet. Not yet. All right. All right next up. We've got one more song to our fallen mayor. Here's Ryan Hudson. Now, this is all about the game of sad death would like to take a minute with his idol flip flip the game on the Lam town mayor. Over there. Bam. Bam. Bam. Bam South Carolina born and raised in Kamikamica dispense most of these days nerd, women, hiking biking, fishing, basically, any outdoor activity that involves us win a couple of conscious. We're up to no good Christian fear that it was him who would vote it out. But it'll spin that's David flip the game on the Lam town. I'm ready to go. Palm trees coming out of the on the whatever the thing. Told up to the tribal out seven or eight votes cast against Chris Johns. Look did as Dave with player game on the slam. Bam. Bam. Bam. Bam. Bam. Bam. Bam. That was a great one from fresh print. Cisco so much brush Brinton this week's wiggle room. And he gets a monkey there. Yeah. We'll Susie Smith. What a great time. What a time to be deceased. Josh you're next up. We're going to talk a little bit about Angelina and her reaction to needing. And then usually idol. Here's a newcomer. Here's Audrey from Dallas. Name. About playing playing come in strong. Team. Scheme to his. Tease. John. Yeah. I was a great one from Destiny's golden child. Ooh. See your game changer. Next up from the neck that sucks with Becky and Taylor. This here. No, then not that. Nick that sucks with Becky Taylor. Talk about the strategy of working with Angelina. Really? And that according to my notes from Josh wig ler is original composition from Nick that sucks with Becky and Taylor. Yeah. I spend a lot of time trying to figure out the original source for them using it. I just couldn't. So I have to do that must be a completely original wrote it themselves entirely, the instrumentation everything all done just regionally for for Wanda off at last. But not least we've got one more song about a woman that had the idol played on her. And it comes to us from a man who goes by many names, he was at once a man by the name of Phil t. Then he changed his name to fill from Canada four then getting a new name of oncogene, Phil. Here. He is. Thought all about Angelina. Sites. Decide aside. I'm going to go to. To leave. Today. Wow. Walk. By the way, mentioned I hate underlying. What a catchy dance them there from Brenda. Los del Rio's. Wow. Rob. I can't believe you don't know how to dance the Angelina, by the way. I'm sorry. Casey, hogging the. Sure, he is. I I know how to do it very tepid Angelina though. You look really confused senior face. All right. Let's get into this week wand off finalists here jam packed week on the one and before we get into it. I c k sim want to accept full responsibility for what got in or did not get in top five songs this week. I just wanna make sure that nobody at rob sister. Nino even pineapple boy twenty-seven. Wow, I c k Kasem made the final call on all of these. Wow. By boy twenty sevens. Whole utility is already been retired. That was fast that was really really record time. Well, you see Josh sometimes people at pineapple boy twenty-seven and at rob sister. No in one tweet, which really defeats the purpose of there being pineapple boy twenty-seven Twitter account. Wow. All right P, pineapple boy twenty seven died November nineteen twenty dying just reminding people to not include at rob sister. Nino in the negative tweets to add pineapple boy, seven or doesn't work. The complaint is not lodge. First up this week. We've got a song about a man that we've talked almost nothing about today, which is a rarity for this season on the wiggle room. We've got a song about Christian here from Shannon and a new co collaborator. Just steam. At times. Everybody favorite guy. Checkpoint. Got it. Darrelle cheering you at home who Dicky. When you say. Sean. Calling. Biggie. That was a catchy. Tune by the artist Tony bass, the Kwan. And it was not a scoop. No, it was a little skirt. Yeah. We didn't talk about Christian at all the moment where my breaks down the fourth wall and says people were either rooting for him or yelling at us to do. Why haven't we started targeting that was that was that was that was great that is the commentary from somebody who understands what it's like to be screaming at your TV when people are doing stupid things on survivor, very very fun to see that on the show. Josh we've got a real treat for you here with our number two entry into this week's wand off is a man that we've already heard from wants this week, and he's been really on fire areas. Fill t slash Phil from Canada slash uncle Phil slash he submitted this as pineapple boy twenty-seven featuring Phil from Canada. Oh, man. Exciting. Beck city. L? City. More down to. No two trees stalling. Care. Out here where? Coming. Johny display slam town. We need a fig. Accident back-back city free. City free magazine back-back city free. Trap. Back-back? Back back. Back-back? A little talking. No, wait, real cute. Creatures back. Two. About this. Backer. Becker. For keffer. That was a from Tiga Trang. Twenty seven featuring Phil from Canada as the song was going on. I was thinking that I'd be here at the end saying it was really more Phil from Canada, featuring apple twenty seven has no ego. Then find apple boy showed right up. Phil has lost his mind, we got pool shark again. Bill piece James Avery. You want me to put him on? Wait. What what next up our third track of the week? Just got that. Just got that. Here is. Talking about Davies distraction core EBay. Follow your. You too. So. Screen. The advantage. We. Give. Dany makes. I. Jay bell. This. That one is actually my wedding. So. From big Ted sharing. Love big Ted share and one of the most romantic guys around. What a what a beautiful beautiful song. I wanna just grind right up against it. I loved that song. And I did love that DJ Lebel Kline was vindicated with the correct theory score another one for the one. We've got another breakout artists coming to the top. I've this week on the lawn off his name is mad pay. We heard from him earlier tonight here he is singing about Mr. Davie Rickenbacker. Yes. Dady? Have you? And the ad of. Scales? Guess you're. Let's. Then this blue. Now. The. Screens. That was hit single from just in J start Bieber. Yeah. Yeah. Love the b is I'm a belieber at our believe it. The monkey accept it. Didn't seem like it was totally cool at the monkey you can catch him on his new reality series x on the Bieber. Next up. We've got another one from an artist that's picking up so much steam Tyler Jacob Jones fans will be thrilled to hear another tough five entry for the ghost island champ. Here's Tyler Jacob Jones. Ten. That was a oldie, but a goody from the excite Earls. I was listening to that song last night was that my mother-in-law's house, and she was making chicken Jesus heat is. By problem today for Geeta. A dragon ball z reference. What is happening? That's where they make all of the survivor Mexican food. From. Josh it was jam packed week that we couldn't fit everything into top five. And we've got a top six this week. The top rope brother off the top rope in Dade and we've got perhaps the hottest breakout. Wanda off artists of survivor, David versus Goliath. She's got to wombats hats and is for third Karen from Canada along with some guy named singing, Jim, Jim. Two three. The on the shore. King. Don't know what he's dancing. By the name. Two. Dick's carl. Heart. One. Nine or ten idols. David flynn. The mayors. Charleston reminder might still. No, no. What song? The band merge Feist. I said I was looking into this week's Reuben credit. That was shut up. Coordinates courting, Tim. I know sing, Jim. No, no, no shut him on track. The top sakes. This is terrible news photo. Get this one. Do not let shut up Tim a walk. I'm by the scale, take it off. Okay. Vote all week long. When you go to rob as a website dot com slash vote. Wanda cast your vote for the week eight one off, of course, you can hear all forty plus entries that we got into the wand off on our soundcloud playlist available to all patrons of rob has a podcast special. Thanks Randy new pull who keeps Casey Kasem quite sane every single week by adding all your entries to the soundcloud play list and Jason Curtis Rivera who makes the amazing want off music videos week after week. You guys. You guys are great guys. Good. The only thing that's happening right now are those guys. Josh hope you have a great thanksgiving. And rob I hope that you have all of the pie that you want and stop talking about it on the podcast. Thanks, guys. All right. All right. Jason defend you. Casey kasem. Podcast fantastic. Sometimes it's hit. Sometimes it's miss. I looked KC already a pile down. We got it. You guys didn't lie. Didn't like that. Same overfeed on three hundred hours of podcast together. Some of them are not gonna win. It's all right. All right. Josh way. Glenn, I take as much responsible. I take a big piece of pie on the Pye bit failing. Yes. I'll take a solid like sixty percent of that. I'll even take the Machar sixty percents. Yes. I couldn't follow along. I couldn't do the math best. If I was I was Cueva counting. It wasn't. Good says at least sixty percent mine. I put you put you in a bad spot where you had to give a, you know, do quick math a great episode of survivor in a fine episode. All right. Josh anything else? So you wanna talk about from this week as we head towards thanksgiving. And the ninth episode of David versus Goliath. It's really no surprise that. We haven't heard nickname for his alliance with Davy on the show. Right. Not a shock. That's not. That's not a shock. I guess that's the only thing that we didn't talk about social in the social Meads. He's revealed with that name is really not as a prize that that name didn't make it on the show. Yeah. Well, that name we've talked about that on the feedback show is a portmanteau of Davey and Nick combined it to dick. Can't be the Dick's no on survivor. It's a family show. It's not gonna work. Although on big, brother. I thought they was shut that down on survivor. They're just like, well, we we just want to include that in the. Yeah. As your. Your move. You're did you see also that Nick reveal the alliance with Alec is? He was the surfin turf. Oh, I like that one that was one of the better. That's my favorite nickname other than the cats. Cats is still number one. But surfin turf is good next week. We will rank the top Nick Wilson nicknames of the season on wiggle room and much more. Of course, I was asked to give out the information. If people want to send in a Wanda, you can send them into wiggle room at rob has come or one-off at rob has website dot com, and you can get those into us until Monday morning and keep sending in your jacket, design submissions. We've been getting a ton of them. I don't know what to do with them. Okay. Well, let's let's talk about them. Let's see what we can come on. All right. Josh anything else? No. That's it. Check out the Probst interview. If you haven't HR dot com slash survivor. It's there it's my pin. Tweet at round Howard to read tell me what you think. And. Yeah, it's good stuff and happy thanksgiving. Everybody who is celebrate. Rating. Okay. All filled with all the delicious treats that you want even if that's not pumpkin pie. Okay. All right. Great job, Josh way. Glare. We've got a lot of great stuff coming up this week. We are going to be back live with the know it alls on thanksgiving eve, and then I will have on Friday. I will be no exit interviews until Monday of this week CBS is going to be closed because or the publicity department is going to be off because of the thanksgiving holiday. We usually interviews on Thursday. So we will do our exit press on Monday after the long holiday weekend. We will have my recap podcasts. I will be recording it on Friday with the Queen of survivor. The Queen stays Queen Sandra DS twine is back. Can you ask her what she thinks of Amy twine houses work? You know, what I don't think I will be asking throwing any curve balls. We'll be very very straight laced down the middle. This is like a like an easy going podcast to sucker her in for future appearances, you want her to you want her to be wooed. Welcome hall returning. Yes. Yes. I like it. And then on the feedback show over the weekend. I am going to be catching up with another survivor winner. I will be checking in with Sophie Clark. Awesome. Sophie on the feedback show. That's going to be fun. Yeah. That'd be a lot of fun as well. I actually I talked to Sofia last thanksgiving eve or thanksgiving weekend tradition in the making tradition in the making. If you do it next year the three three in a row, we gotta keep that going forever. Wait to hear what sofi has to say as well about the season. So lots of great stuff. Of course, we greatly. Appreciate all the support from the patrons of rob. As a podcast. Hope you are enjoying this season as much as we. We're having a lot of fun. Rob's website com slash hatred for the wand off soundcloud playlist and much more at Robins. Websit a com slash patron. Josh wig ler. I will talk to you next week to everybody a good one by Liz bit Jelena's few. She told the true Eliza bit, then Dina's feud or boy view wants to save you. She made her deliver Arabia's smooth tried to sue Gabby sought through. Sorry. The goliaths have concluded that it's you wish it weren't true. She said I can't lie you the jury start very soon. Blow it up tribal. That's always a bit Angelenos views. Stupid people. Wins. Right. Stupid dispatchers inside your crew crew crew thought you knew knew now you do do do do Liz Angelina feud, you'd proves proves. Mike wide web's chairs on you Christian. What's facing? 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Survivor 38 Episode 8 Wiggle Room with Josh Wigler

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Survivor 38 Episode 8 Wiggle Room with Josh Wigler

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And now here he is my co host here in the wiggle room from the Hollywood reporter the great Josh way. Glare is this. The first episode of the season in case in case anybody's just jumping in today. Where am I I mean, you know, before we got on the on the phone like I'm like a little bit fried today. Okay. So I if if ever there was a day for you to trick me into thinking that I've time traveled today is the day. So like right now, I'm a little bit on on edge on the edge of wondering whether or not I have slipped back to to mid February twenty nineteen so we have Josh league. Lawyer here who is himself on the edge of extinction. Maybe not literally but figuratively as a we are just days away from a life altering event for Josh wig litter, the return of the final season of game of thrones. And that is something that is going to really be occupying. A lot of Joshua goes attention for not only just the upcoming six weeks. But basically every moment of his waking. Yeah. Basically the entire I may as well just like be living in west roast rather than than planet earth. I'm I'm barely hear anymore. I'm I'm mostly white Walker at this point winter is already here in in my home. And somehow I have to pretend like I care about survivor still. So I'm going to try I'm going to do my best impression of really excited survivor fan. For the remainder of this podcast. Okay. Well, I do think that the final stretch here of game of thrones is an interesting backdrop of which to view this long battle. That's being fought out in Fiji on the edge of extinction because I night king. Who is the Knight king? I mean. Nineteen game of thrones. But he's basically he's out there beyond the wall. And he's coming. He's coming. He's an army dead and stuff on his head. Yeah. So, but I think that both of these shows interestingly enough are think are also wrapping up within days of each other. So it'll be an interesting March to the finish line for both. I feel like reams gotta be the night Queen. I do I feel like we have to bestow that title upon her that she is the Queen of the army of the dead at the edge of extinction. Winter's coming bro noted notice game at thrown span rim daily, we have we have to make her the Nike. No, that's funny because I mean, the whole premise of game of thrones for the five people who don't know what game of thrones is is we are at this point where everybody is on the edge of their seat waiting to see if they're going to survive this war. Against an undead army and the if they don't win. If they get killed. They may come back as this like zombie fide version of selves, and that could happen here on on the edge of extinction. It's already happening. The army of the dead. It's just accumulating more and more. Maybe right before we get to the wand off. Maybe we could spend like five minutes on casting game of thrones with the edge of extinction. Charac-? All right. We'll we'll come back to another. You have to give Josh talking about game of thrones is yes. Okay. So Josh here we are after the week after the big comma break-up and so- Josh, I think that the survivor world very divided about this where do you stand in terms of what we saw happen this past week? This is this is probably the most entertaining episode of the season. Right. I mean, I'm so grateful that it happened. I'm so grateful for the comic break-up. I'm sure Randy is furious. He wanted he wanted to put gun being it does. Look like that's going to be the case unless this is just a speed bump in everyone's going to get back to I love comma in the in the next episode, although the previews for this episode seems to make it look like everything's about to go even more haywire. So who knows exactly where we're going to go in the in the near future. So from an entertainment perspective, I could not be happier with the move. You know? You know, it was it was the best move imaginable for television purposes. Yes. Okay. But was it a good move? Did you think that this was the right survivor play as someone who has done a three hundred hour audio book on the evolution of survivor strategy? Josh way glare. What did you think of the move? It's probably not great is my answer like I've gone back and forth with this. 'cause I've I've been listening to the podcast as much as I as I possibly can. I mean, literally for the for the last week and a half I've been doing nothing but game at their own stuff with my waking existence like truly just that's just that work has been consuming me is just the coverage. So where where I can I've been I've been trying to pay attention to sort of the survivor communities take on this episode. And I know that you in Stephen disagreed with it. He was pretty firmly in the camp of this is just horrible move. It's big move Itis you less. Sure, not just in terms of is this. Big move Itis. But seems like you just wanna hold out a little bit. You wanna you wanna wait and see whether this was a good move or bad moving that, you didn't really feel like it was decisively one way or the other. But in the end, I believe with Dr Mike you said gun to your head. You would say it was a good move. So so I've thought about it in terms of a lot of different things and seeing a lot of different different pros and cons. We only see so much of the show. We don't know exactly. The nitty gritty dynamics of who everybody is close with. We only get the edited portrayal. So there may be reasons where it makes more sense than it than it appears on television. But from that television perspective, which is really all we got to go on except for that. And ward odds exit interviews with himself on Twitter, we really don't have much else. And from the show. I mean Gavin and Eric seemed really tight so it just it doesn't make sense for me from Gavin's perspective hard to say if it makes a ton of sense for Julia from. Julius perspective considering we've barely just, you know, we're really just starting to get to know. Julia. She is an alleged a super threat as per Joe angle of you episodes back and now she has finally struck and made her move. But it's just hard the show itself. So far hadn't really justified for me the need for comedy break up this early. And I do think it's really early. We have we have so many tribal councils still to go that's a break-up common. Now in a one of the things I was things like do it knowing that the edge of extinction is out there, and you want to start currying favor with the people who are out there on extinction. Do you wanna be like voting in that way? Do you want to be like voting to please the jury already? And if that's the case the jury as it stands so far are largely like X, Monica people, right? Oregon's it's really just Riemann Chris at this point where the ex-monaco I sing like does it make sense then to be sending? People like Wardag and Lauren and Wentworth over to them as like tributes bike here. We have slayed your enemies now torture them on the edge of extinction. Like, that's another reason why you would just stick to commerce strong. So the more and more. I think about it. They've blown a lead, you know, comedy that have been able to just like March this thing for several votes. Now, they should have just been able to put gone the less people the original Mah new people pretty thoroughly pretty easily. And it does feel to me like it's just based on what we've been presented with it. Does feel to me like big move Itis like it, doesn't it doesn't seem to me like a move that makes a ton of sense other than we need to start scoring some resume points right now. Otherwise, it's just going to be the Ron Clark show all the way through to the finish line. And it's show is good. They made a movie about it. It was a great apparently allegedly. Great move. I'd like to see it some time. I'm sure it's no emoji movie. But potentially it is close in level of steam. Yeah. I just think it's early. It's really early to be doing that on day. Twenty two eighth person going, you know, going out of the game. Like that just feels really early to be inverting on KOMO unless it was such a mess when you had just pulled over such a great fast one on those people why not capitalize on that old little bit longer. So I think that that you you can imagine the arguments in this scenario is where it makes a lot of sense for for Julia and Gavin to of executed this move. But again in the spirit of you having chosen gun to your head. You said good move. I'll say gun to my head. I think a bad move. Okay. Josh rate for entertainment, and I'm thrilled that they did it. They did it. I want to talk a little bit about Rick Devon's who you have said many times the season some of the you're really enjoying watching the play out there getting he's not getting played. But he is playing out there. What did you think about salty Rick this week? Larry. This is great the scene that you that you believe have gotten great enjoyment out of as well where he's with were dog. And he's walking and talking with ward. Yeah. Man. I can't wait to get back together with less. Ooh. Now that like, I know how much I should trust you guys. It's so good. And he's just like except except the exact opposite of that. Like told me that's not what I mean at all. It was hysterical was hilarious the scene with him and David talking by the well, and this analogy of one of us is drunk, and I don't know who it is that that's one of the most fascinating scenes between two really tight strategic partners that I've seen on survivor in quite a while. And I and I really loved that. And I do think of those two I do believe RIC Devon's is the drunk one. But he's a fun drunk. You know, he's a dated I've played with Brett Lebel. So he knows when he is drunk out there on survivor, but limit let's explore that for a second. And this is that conversation one of us is right now. And I don't know which one I think I'm the silver one. And I might argue that Rick Devon's might be the sober one here because based on a what we're hearing that there is talk about wron, and Eric then making the move on comma. And then the taking Devon's and David. And if that's the case, I can understand why Devon's is feeling like I'm going to stick with comma. Because I have a a better path to four or five with this group as opposed to my old group who voted me out when there was five that's fair. That's very fair. He has been voted out of the game. By these people. He has returned to the game only to find that they wanted to vote him out again. I yeah. Hard to argue that he Devon's it seemed like I wasn't on. I wasn't on social media. The night of the episode airing. I had to catch up. But when I caught back up, it seemed like key got raked over the coals by people people seem to be plenty relegated. Yeah. People seem to he pretty frustrated with his rigidity in that position of not wanting to to work with the list. It's hard to be a survivor contestant. And we're talking like this on the weekend survivor podcast. Of what must laurel be thinking watching all day? So laurel gets killed don't make a move these people make a move work. We're killing them. But in the case of Rick Devon's Rick Devon's that he I think it was painted as somebody who made an emotional decision. And God forbid anybody ever plays emotionally. But then what happens? Also, if you're seen as somebody who doesn't play emotional game bought up your game. But so it is very hard to find that sweet spot with the people that talked to you on Twitter when you are a survivor player. I think for for Devon's like I get where he's coming from. I get where he's coming from with. You know, this this group of people they've shown their cards to him twice. Now. You voted for me twice? And he doesn't really want to. He doesn't wanna play ball at that. I wish that he had handled the war dog conversational. A little bit better. I suppose I feel I feel like for him to feel that way. But to maybe feel that way in a more closed up way. So he can continue to get information from the war dogs, the went where it's the Lawrence of the world would have would have been nice. But I I think that this is much like Abby Maria, this is a supercharge season. Right. Like, this is this is the show E S C. Yeah. It's just it's it's it's a very it's a very different version of survivor that we're dealing with which is another part of the calculus as to whether or not this was a good move to send Eric home this week because the edge of extinction complicates everything. Now that they know about it do they want to send people who can go in battle. Joe do they want to send people that's gonna make that reentry opportunity? A little more challenging so that, you know, it's not just a slam dunk. Joe comes back, and then foils everybody's playing is is that part of the calculus on on a move like this as as well for. For Devon's wear. You know, this is a man who should not be playing survivor anymore. You know, this is not somebody who should actively be in the game. I love him on thrilled for him. If somebody had to come back into the game. Obviously, I was rooting for Aubrey. But you know, if it wasn't hovering. I'm thrilled that it's Rick Devon's. He seems like an incredible dude and very funny and really great on camera. And has it seems like a lot of really interesting strategic ideas. But he shouldn't be there. And so the fact that he had gotten assassinated on survivor and sorry, I'm still thinking in game of thrones terms. They got the Lord of light bestowed him new life young. He is ready is brought back into the game. You know, forgive him for not wanting to make peace with the mutineers who want to stab him again. So I think the motions obviously come in this arriver on a good season on on a season that is playing by the standard survivor rules season. Like this. I really do think all bets are up in terms of the idea of sending somebody out of the game of who. Could be Joe, and we sort of like, maybe anecdotally have some maybe that's the reason why it was Iraq that was sent out of the game. Instead of Ron doesn't matter who comes back into the game. Whether it's Joe or if it's not because it's somebody that's good enough to beat Joe in the challenge to get back into the game. Aren't they inherently a bigger threat than Joe who since one can beat Joe in a challenge in two wouldn't be a returning player? Who that I would think that there are more people not returning players on the jury incredible that Dr Mike came onto the podcast with with so many great takes this week and one of them being this idea that his supposition, right? Was like these the new players probably have talked and they're like, it doesn't matter. What a returning does get to the end. We're not voting for him. That's that's just not something that we're going to do. I did think that he's probably right on that. I just they're just there seems to be this feeling this season. Like, I cannot imagine the scenario where any one of the four returning players wins this season. It's it's really hard for me to picture. There's there seems to be such an overwhelming tide against that notion that this really is our time, and almost doesn't matter how well any of these people play that they wouldn't support that. So I think you're right in if somebody can defeat Joey amazing and get past him in return to the game. And then somehow make it to the final three and foil people's plans that way that person is a very dangerous person at the final tribal council because so much of the jury at that point we'll have been comprised of people who spent at least time out on the edge of extinction. If not significant time on the edge of extinction. See I think that that's I did that's a really good point to the point that like, maybe. Almost want Joey mazing to come back into the game. You know, the worst option. He might be a really good option. Doing know. If Joe is going to be great in front of the jury. I would not bet on it. You know, I don't I don't I don't know that Joe would be able to to convert a jury victory with a jury that is mostly going to be new people that are not going to be super incentivized to vote for returning player. Anyway, I just don't know that Joe has that appeal to the people that would that would work in something like that. I could see I could see Aubrey making that case I could see Wentworth and David maybe making that case it's a little harder for me to pick her Joe making the case with all due respect to Joe. Okay. So I think that this is an intriguing thing to discuss because this is the season without a front runner, and it's wide open. A we have a sixteen people that are still in contention with we are closing into about six weeks away from the finale of this season. So. I thought it might be fun. We've done a couple of drafts this season. Let's do our edge of extinction winner draft. Wow. So we're not behold into our preseason winner picks, which would be difficult for you. And I anyway, we would have to split Joe angelman half like an immunity idol between Naven and Devon's. Yeah. Do you might I'm gonna keep my half. Joe? That's an a little uncomfortable for me. I don't like the idea of just like hanging onto Joe's torso and up while you have the rest of him King Solomon style. Yeah. He's split at the waist or like down the middle. I figured it was at the waist like bishops Romanians. Yeah. Okay. All right. So Josh would you like the first pick in the winner take all draft or of the second and third pick in the U. That's one heavy snake drafts. And that one heavy snakes. I mean, I don't know man, you know, before we even start. I don't know what it says about this season that there are sixteen people in contention to win, and I have no idea who's going to win this series. Evacuating? That's good. I think I think it is too degree. I don't know that I love being however many weeks into a season of survivor with sixteen possible contenders to win and you could make people that's a lot of people. It's too much. It's just too much, man. So I'll just say that upfront. I'll just pick. I'll just pick. I'll pick one I'll pick one to to get out of the way here. And I'll I'll kick things off with as I said on the podcast very recently that this was someone who I really underestimated during the preseason. This is somebody who I really didn't think was going to do much in the game wasn't going to pop on TV. And even if they were on the wrong side of the vote this past week. I really think that they've played strong. And I think that they are somebody who who has popped on television in a way that I really did not expect and somebody who I think is being infused with enough story material that I could see a victory. Give me New York City's very own Julie Rosenberg as my as my number one pick here in the winter draft. Yeah, that's a good pick. I mean, she's really just had one episode where she was really shown in spotlight that was that merge episode. But you know, she has. Had you know moments here, and there she really was kind of invisible going into this week's vote. So we'll see what the future holds for her. But I think that that is a great pick. And that if you weren't going to take her I was gonna probably take her here with one of my two picks, so far she's the common person that doesn't seem like she's like infuriated anybody, right? Like, she has the least blood on her hands right now. She didn't turn on airi'q. She's as guilty as the other coms in voting out Joe she had nothing to do with Aubrey. She had nothing to do with anybody else's currently on the edge of extinction. And like no matter where she votes from here on out. She's like fully justified in any votes because she's not the person who turned the corner on her tribe. So I really liked Jewish proven herself to be very capable in the challenges. Again, I feel like she's somebody who we have seen a good amount of and for the most part, I feel like we know the extinction. People more than we know the active players, see I like Julia for a lot of reasons, I think that. Also like people out there like Julie. So I like Jewish chance to win. Gimme join number one. Okay. All right. I've got two in three back to back, and I am going to wipe the board clean of our returning players in the game. I will take Kelly, and I will take David. Okay. Talk me through it. Well, they're returning players. We've seen so much from them that I think that if we're going to try to talk about the story the season, I think the star really has been about these returning players coming back so much of what we've seen has been through the lens of talking about them. And somehow they're still here. And now all of a sudden they have some momentum coming out of this vote. So Kelly still with an idol and David does not seem like he's going to be going home anytime soon as they? Get closer and closer to the end. This is very dangerous, especially David Wright can make the fire. So if they're still out there. I think this is a good call Kelly Wentworth and David Wright, take him half. I love them both. I don't love this season for him. All right. So I get to picture. I will I will go with my survivor d'appel ganger. The man we have discussed already on this podcast. I will take Rick Devon's Rick the war dog Evans. Yes. I will. I will take Mr. Devon's as both somebody who I really enjoy on my TV screen and seems like a fantastic person. I would be thrilled for this man to win. And also as somebody who seems like he is at this point kind of emblematic of the season. He had been voted out early. He won his way back in. Now. He's shaking things up where he's voted. He's he's voted with the comma people, it seems like he is in a position where he is like setup as an antagonistic the to the new lesser. But who knows where we're going to go this week with everything so shaken up so I feel like if Devon's can can push through the game. He's got that idol half an idol with David if they can reunite if they can figure out what to do with that. There could be some real danger coming from Rick Devon's I think if he gets to the final tribal council he's got an amazing story for the season. And it would be depending on who he's up against. I think you'd be hard pressed to vote against him. So I like, Rick Devon's. And I think that he is another. Person who has been really front of mind this season. I think that he is somebody who has been really. One of the characters that his has popped off the screen Kool aid man style more than just about anybody else. I'll take Devon's as my second pick really like the pick liked it more last week. I think he is in a tough spot. But I don't know if he's necessarily going to be the next one to go out of the game. I think he'll be here for a little while at the very least, and obviously proved himself to at least be competent enough in challenges to win his way back in, you know, so I feel like Devon's being able to turn that back on when he needs to. I feel decent about that. My third pick. I will take I still I still can't pronounce Victoria's last name is it. I know that we'd been we'd been contacted by seems a member of the family. But I I'm not even going to try Victoria, be I'll take Vic I'll take Vic as my third pick. Who I do think has been really fun to watch and somebody who clearly really wants to play and is often being portrayed as like a voice of reason in an often unreasonable game where she's the one who is really credited with pulling the wool over aubrey's. Is she is the person she does she just like puts it on people's heads. Just like shoves it down. So no one can see it's a really clever finishing move. It's her finishing move mortal combat style, Victoria is also the person when everyone was talking about going to rock. She's the what it's like, I don't want to go to rocks. We got that from her. She was the one who saying like, I don't know about Eric. I feel like this is a little early which kind of alliance with my feelings on the Eric move as well. So I think Victoria has off. And been shown as somebody who is who is on the right side of logic. And is often not often is always very self interested in this game was a was a beast in this immunity challenge. Even if she lost she really hung in there for for quite a while. But I don't think that she walks away from that as somebody having like that immunity stigma psych folk there's a lot of heat behind Victoria right now. And I really like her, and I think that she's one of the players is playing the best game right now. Victoria. All right back to me. I've got two in a row, and we're getting down to it. I'm going to take Joe angle them. Okay. First person who is on the edge of extinction. But I kind of feel like that he's right where we should be. I made in my winner pick. I mean, we are pretty much, you know, on the trajectory that I imagined where maybe he'd make it a couple of votes into the merge, but he's going to go to the edge. And you know, he's got you know, as good of a shot as anybody to get back in the game. And if he can do it. I don't think it's going to be a stigma about going to the edge of extinction. Like there was say in survivor, redemption island where that yes, everybody went through redemption island. But I feel like that the edge of extinction is such a part of the identity of so many people that are going to be on the jury that I don't think it's going to be stigmatized if somebody has gone there and then come back into the game in one. Away. I can't see the jurors saying like, hey, like that's messed up that you went to the edge of extinction and got back in the game. That's not fair right now. I think everybody at this point, you know, this is the season. So they just have to factor edge of extinction. And virtually all of them are gonna wind up there at some point or another except for like five like five people four or five people. So I I agree with that. I think that that's I think it's more. The returning player thing is a stigma, and I think that that's going to be hard for Joe David Kelly, Aubrey I take all of them. We're gonna have a hard time with that. Then I'll take my first person who is not returning player, and it could easily go home this week. But I will take Ron Clark. Okay. Third time we through Ron Clark as somebody who could who could win the game. Because I still think that we could still see more Ron for a little while even though I would be inclined to think that this is probably his week coming up just based on how that all shook out with with Eric. What's the winner upside for Ron Clark? What's the Ron Clark story as far as him being a champion so wrong could well be the person who goes home, but I just found him to be so crafty during his time on survivor, and then I feel like that everything that he does every conversation that he has is calculated and I can't sleep on that. And if he is able to somehow get to the end, you know, that he's going to have a great speech. The guy is a professional public speaker. And I think that if if you could figure a way out of this if he can get through the next vote. Or two. I mean, the people don't look at him as a physical threat. So if he can hang in there. I would love to see a Ron get to the end of this game. It'd be fun. It'd be fun because I think that he's got a real clever mind for survivor. You know? And I really did enjoy that they brought the loved ones strategy into the show 'cause I imagined that that has been a part of the fabric of survivor in like an invisible way to us. Yeah. Her a good little while. And so I appreciate it. That was kind of like a fourth wall breaking type of deal. Now. Like this thing that I'm sure gets said with some frequency by players on the island of let's just hang tight no-one. Do anything crazy until we get to the family? Visit don't you want to see your loved ones and to see that brought up on the show and to use that if not in reality, then at least like narrative, we as the reason to drive to drive the firetruck over Eric this week as a means of like. You know, maybe moving people like future players away from leaning on that as a strategy guide of this public deterrent. I appreciate it. Because I think that's an annoying unifying factor on this show. I don't like it. I like me out on this does survivor need to get rid of the loved ones. Visit yet the auctions broken. I think the loved ones visit as much worse. The loved ones visit has not been impactful in a very long time. It is sort of a showcase. All right. Come on. Let's see like it's the same thing every season that maybe pick a pick or rock out of the bag in heroes, healers Hustler's at least with like a little bit of a twist on it. But we have not done anything exciting with the loved ones visit in I think in the entire thirties, and we got to a point where survivor cog, John, and then we had the blood versus water seasons where they didn't have it. And then again in survivor worlds apart. It was at the final five and we were doing good. But then we got back the second chance, and we brought it back, and it's been pretty much exactly maybe didn't have one if I'm recalling correctly. But basically since millennials versus genetics. Same exact thing would bring in a million people's loved ones out. It's at the final eight and then people at Ponderosa getting their loved ones. Visit so half the loved ones are there anyway. And it's the kind of thing where we see this more. They don't like the big brother in the wiggle room. But no, I don't hate it. As on big, brother. You know, they have like these giant juries and like the first five weeks of the game. Hey, let's just all make the jury. Let's make a big alliance. Like, the, you know, a huge alliance in the house, and let's all let's all make it to Jerry and does inhibit the game play. So hopefully, what happened at least organically this week ends up being a thing that sort of like pokes a hole in. In the hey, let's all of those just play for the loved ones. Visit. But I think survivor needs to either mess with these players need not do it a couple of seasons or mix up when they're doing it because it's very predictable. Yes. To all of that. Absolutely. I again, like if the auction is broken, then this is far worse that being said bring on farm guys sixty nine in two weeks. But I mean just think about think about the loved ones visit for this season, it there's already so much happening on this season of survivor that we're going to have like an episode that the first twenty minutes is going to be the loved ones like that's going to be such a it's such time episode in like the reason that I still maintain that rocks out of a bag was a good challenge was because it was done in five minutes. It was done so fast. So at the very least it happened quickly. If there's a big, you know, no disrespect to the incredible challenge team of survivor who do amazing amazing work to have like a huge sprawling odyssey of a challenge on top of everything that you have to track on TV and what it's taking away from airtime. Wise even as we've seen this season with the elimination of a previously on I still think like a season of edge of extinction and also I'll just plant the flag on this. Now got imagine it every single person who's in the game is going to see their loved one in some. Capacity rising edge of extinction people so Lutely one hundred percent one hundred percent a hundred percent. So it'd be I will be blown away if the people who are on the edge of extinction right now, don't at least get to like wave at their family from a barge or something like that. Just like, this is how close you are, blah, blah, blah. Like, you could just see that. Like there are so many people still in the hunt through this million. Let ones are coming. Yes. Are they secretly like playing their own season on another island in Fiji? Oh my God. Yeah. They're banking that for years. No one's playing their own survive perceives it. Yeah. Season forty-three. It's the they're going to have a returning player. That's going to be on your season with Abby Maria watch out for for for reams left when they're coming for ya. Vengeance for all the rim takes. So I don't know. I think I'm I'm with you completely and everybody, obviously, not the left one stuff. It's it's great for everybody. Personally. What an incredible experience for everybody who gets to be involved in that. And it just makes the experience so much more special for the players, and that's fantastic. And not to take away from that at all. But I think that it's having an actual impact on the game in a negative way. And I loved that. It was highlighted this week. I was very happy to see that. All right. Josh to more picks. And then I have one more, okay? To more picks and six hundred okay. I'm going to take the war dog boy dog I want the war dog. I want the war dog on my squad is getting hot. You know, what I think that the war dog is a is a better player than he has been given credit for I think that the war dog at the very least if he's not a better player than he's being given credit for at the very least. I think that the war dog is playing the game. Exactly the way he wanted to play this game from the jump. I think if you haven't in a while. And I'm sure people have in a while if they have at all if you haven't in a while gone gone back and listened to the interview that I did with with Dan the Wardag dasilva in the preseason. I think that this man is playing the game. Exactly the way he had outlined for himself. He was the person who sat down across Romy and said, I know exactly what I look like, I know exactly the vibe that I give off. I'm tony. I'm. I'm a I'm a New York guy. I've got the Dom quality to me he knew that he had this stigma. He knew he got a little bit of the Joe MENA thing as well. There's this trend of people if my type that is very front of mind for what's an archetype that is very front of mind for people that this is the schemer. This is the guy who's going to run off into the jungle and make them billion alliances and try at least a fine as many idols as he possibly can. And instead what Wardag wanted to do was in his words. He wanted to gesture himself up. He wanted to be somebody who is a little bit of a clown. Somebody who you don't have to take super super seriously somebody who you know, where he stands that. He he works around camp. He's fairly visible during the day. He's not running off. He's pretty center in the action. And you know, exactly where he is. We're seeing him often like taking meetings in the exact same spot. I can imagine that Wardag plant is flag in one spot on that beach and stays there for like fifteen hours of the day is is the impression. That I get from the from the way that his story has been conveyed on television. So I think if nothing else he's played exactly the way that he wanted. He didn't wanna give off those Tony vibes. He wanted to dispel that very very quickly. He has often on with the exception of the of the Joe vote. He's been on the right side of every vote. Isn't that? Right. I think I'm pretty sure he is he's voted correctly every single time except for that Jovo, and he has been shown to be very clever. He is also one of the most recognizable characters of the season by foreign away. When you look at this huge mass of people that are playing survivor edge of extinction. Ward is not a person that you are forgetting. And I think that if he is able to build some momentum on the comical apps if that is what we're in for if they can't get their act together. And if he can if he can if he can drive forward with Lauren and Wentworth at his side, if he can get an ear full of their idols and find some way to be smart about. How those go off. I think that Wardag could get to the end and make a very compelling case in front of a jury when he sat down across from me, I was instantly compelled by the way he was talking about survivor. So I don't think that I've been on here during the season giving Wardag the credit that I do think he deserves as a player. I think that he is playing a game. That is exactly the way that he designed it whether or not that's going to work out for him is another story entirely. And it took a lot of the antiwar dog sentiments to have to come from the fact that he's got this terrible. Terrible bullshit social media presence. He's getting better at I think he's getting better. He's very he's very funny. But I mean like just like just tie a tiny pit would be great. But I think on the show I think he's I think he's doing exactly what he wants to do. So I think he's been very much a victim of his circumstances where that he has had to go to so many tribal councils, and he is a guy who we have seen somebody who is crunching the numbers thinking of plans upon plans upon plans, and I think that just by the sheer fact of having to go to so many tribal councils with the same smaller and smaller group of people that I think that most of the perspective we get front about him are from people that have been kind of worn down by him. And now there are more people out there. And so it's not just Kelly and David Wright and Lauren talking about him. And he saw this week that fresh ears. So kind of perked up. I'm like, oh, we're dogs making sense. Okay. So yeah, I do. That he has life moving forward. Yeah. I think so. And I think people don't take him that seriously. And then like, suddenly it's like, oh, he said something that like unlocked something for me. Like, it's perfect idea of like, he's in septic somebody, you know, and they don't and they don't realize that. I think is a lot of what went down with this boat against Eric. So I'm I'm impressed, by the way that he's playing. I think it's not going to do many favorites seems to not be so fantastic at these challenges. And eventually he's going to probably need to turn that on to somebody on Twitter. Josh is war dog throwing all these challenges. Maybe maybe it's not impossible. It's not impossible. I think that he's done a lot of work to minimize his threat level and to hide himself behind people who are much more threatening than him. The fact that David Wright is still in the game. The fact that Kelly went with is still in the game. These returning players with legendary legacies. That Lauren is still here, and she is an immunity beast, and she's passing out on challenges because she wants it so bad that of this tight lesku group. Rick Devon's has the has the better story than he does right now Wardag has a few people in line in front of him that he should be able to hide behind. I'm impressed with the way war dogs playing impressive. All right. So I got I get to pick one more person in one more. More person. Okay. You should take somebody who is currently at the edge of extinction. Because I think that anybody who comes back from the edge of extinction. Really all they gotta do is just win those challenges get to the end, and I feel like they've got a really good shot at this. And I'm tempted to pick Aubrey because I do think of the returning players. I still think that she has the best story, and I really loved that moment with her out on out on the edge of. Yeah. And getting that challenge getting test that out. But I think I'm just gonna take him row K. Yes. Josh wig. There is my guy. Gotta take Reema because cream somehow is able to get back into the game. And if Reema somehow then able to challenge her way in to the final tribal council, I would I would automatically have to vote for ream. And I got to imagine that other people would feel similarly. Yeah. I just I was dying watching the rim stuff this week. Far game still at stake is their stake somewhere near the rock. Yeah. So good good. It's good. If ream the first one out of survivor edge of extinction goes on to be the sole survivor of edge of extinction than this is an upper echelon season as it stands. This is like a very much the back the back of the room for me. Very much. Perfectly Frank, but if can win then this is going to be an elite season of survivor for sure. Okay. All right. So I just have to I just have to do my part to willing that into existence. I've got one pickle. Left. Aubrey is still out there on the board just to just to rattle through the remaining players. So Aubrey is still out there. Lauren is still out there. Still have Gavin. Julia and Aurora of those right? I like that. I I'd like to pick Aubrey. But I feel like I need to do some. I said that they made a good move. So I should pick one of those three, and I will say of the three I'll take a Rura of those three as the person who can come out of this common divorce. She is the divorce attorney. She is the divorce attorney she she can maybe figure out her way through it. She is the person who is really not either old comma or less sue and so she can play the middle. She says she's going to go with the numbers are she's got the extra vote. And so may. Maybe this is the beginning of auroras rise. Is it did you pick a Royal just because I threw off by picking ream? No, no. It's it's not the same thing that you would have picked him. I do think that Aubrey I can talk myself into Aubrey having a shot. I think Aubrey of the of the four attorneys is is still the person who I would I would lean advantage. Yeah. Yeah. And she's been out of the game long enough that I think that she is now more extinction. Avatar then returning player avatar like I feel like that is that is more her story then and like if she were to come back into the game and make her way past the next couple of challenges, and if she has to make fire, and she does that we know that she can do that in a final four situation that has proven already and she sits in front of a jury and can like really wonderfully articulate what it meant to have the experience of the edge of extinction. I could see her converting a jury win. So Aubrey going on drafted is is surprising. Because I think I think that she's I think she's got the best out of the returnees for. Sure. Okay. All right. Josh I said that we would compare the edge of extinction players to the game of thrones cowards. But we do that. You to get to the Awan Dopp coming up here. But if people want to send us on Twitter your picks for the edge of extinction to game of thrones characters that maybe when a Josh. And I do our game of thrones season a preview this week on post show recaps we can take a look at a couple of those that are making us chuckle. Yeah. I would be totally down for that. So feedback at Poche. Recaps dot com is a good way to do that GIO t at Poche show recap on Twitter, we're on Twitter to characters and that'll keep you from doing like eight hundred two hundred forty characters is game of thrones season eight oh my God. Yes. So much so much. Okay. All right much. We've got the wand off coming up. Josh this past week David Wright talked about it was the pilots versus the passengers. And of course, that so many of us are just on autopilot when it comes to. Our car insurance. But that's not such a great way. Just like David Wright says you want to be in control of your destiny. 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It's the easiest thing you'll do today that could save you a lot of a money a love dot com. Oh, I love dot com. There you go. And being you need to leave your lipid making something. Happy the rest of my life. Ben just ate your damn. You could. Goodness. Yes. The one is here for episode number eight edge of extinction. And Josh we've got another jam-packed one for you. And the listeners today man, this is the one is routinely the highlight of my week, but I don't know that I can adequately conveyed just how much I'm going to be needing the wand off on weekly basis for the next several weeks. This very important thing in my life. Well, we have you covered. Of course listeners every week. They can vote at rob has web. So that comes vote Wanda where the tabulated is standing by to count all the votes every single week. And of course, week number seven was no exception. And it was our closest one off in some time. John half percentage points up rates this week's first place from. Second place in third place. I can tell you with eighteen point seven eight percent of it was filthy with Julie gang. Yeah. And the separate shout out, which I'm still blown away by I guess to your Neff seven guy more of an eight guy than if seven I respect that respect that it's the wrong choice. But I respect it. Okay. Now, Josh the battle for first place was a close one. We had a mere half percentage point separating are two finalists. We had our winner had twenty two point four percent of the vote. Second place had twenty one point seven five G sent of the votes, and I can tell you that with second place this week. It was Karen from Canada. Connick, and we have a brand new one-off champion here for weeks oven. Wow. This is exciting. This exciting to. All right. Our first first time winner of the edge of extinction. And also, I believe our youngest one today the amazing maze. In the back. Ching challenge. Congratulations to maisy. Oh my God. Do you think that's maisy Williams aka aria stark is the mazing maisy contributor to the wand off then she's lying about her because she's not eleven. Yes. As faceless men, though, you never know maisy. Congratulations. Welcome officially to law that nation. All right. Josh. So are you ready for us to bring in host of the one dog? Hold on this somebody here at the doors. Somebody at the usually case, I hope it's not Tim tebow. Let me go in who's who's here. Doorbell robber. Right. Hear knock knock. Yes. Bryce, Isaiah is here as a special guest Lor this one-off. Now, I I'm certain that I'm hallucinating again because I feel like I'm back on ghost island seeing the ghost of the purple pants bad. This can't be so Josh usually we talked to Bryce later on in the season. And I said to Bryce Bryce jest weight because we are going to get to the family visit together. Anything crazy family? Visit is coming and a couple of weeks. We'll get to hall. I do I do feel like Bryce you are HP nations. Loved one for our elective loved ones. She 'cause you know, I make birds. So, you know, I don't know what that feels. It's so good. You know, so I'm your loved one. Josh gear, man. Of course, my love come on. Come on guy. Yeah. All over whatever, I can do to get you back on the island anything in my power that is to make you my loved one. Then it is. I'm honor bound to do it. Okay. All right. So Bryce is here. And it's no coincidence that he is here for this week's wand off because a Bryce us much like all of the wand off artists have a new track that you dropped this wing come over. But yes, I got a new track for the children. Okay. Tell us about your new hit single. Yes. I've also excited are you? Oh, the Holy Ghost. He's ever. I'm I'm biting my tongue 'cause tongues wanna come out. But not said, yes, rob is. I didn't text Nicole for the address on Uber over because I'm so excited. I have a new single out called which looking for fell excited. If Chris chance that says, I'm looking for the idol of Chris onto whoa. Guided? Maybe he does. I think you do. And I'm and I'm not idle find so we'll we'll see give me off topic. That's just getting that think about onto. Thank you. Steve E S and just a little side note. No, more swimming trunks. Keep them in aware. Back to business. I'm sorry. Yes. I'm here. I have a new bus single call Wichita looking for is the buzz single ahead of my highly anticipated EP that will be dropping this summer. So I'm so excited. So yes, it's call what you're looking for and it's available on major platforms. If you got Seidel, you could get it. If you got axons, you could get it. If you got Amazon, you could get it you got Spotify. If you get if you broke like me, and it's not a pay we go on YouTube and listen to it too. I got you covered. So of so excited can't believe I have a single out all major platforms the so amazing. Okay. All right. So we're gonna hear a little bit of this. And then Bright's is going to sit in with us on this week's Wanda off so excited. This is amazing. Here is one of our favorite artists. Grand new track. Called what you're looking for from Bryce. She. Got this. Lucasville, got that trip. I got us on the kitchen float. Engine curve Mondo -cation as remote pitched currently damp, anywhere optical with at the peak fact, never been won the follow head of the worst that the Winston life. You got it shit. No blueprints at a month. Gotta make this ship. Got the heat. I got this spoke which I've got the heat. I've got the heat. I got this smoke which looked I got this look. Look. You look we're not going to give the whole thing away here. People gotta go by the rest of the song. Brian. I love it. So you're gonna make the instrumental track of bailable so that future one competitors can write and record their own versions sample at. We're absolutely absolutely. Will be available on us down cloud shortly. Okay. All right rice. Are you ready to hear this week's one-off as a ready around? Okay. All right. And this is so great because as a musical artist. Way in on. What is what you're hearing? From the wand off this week down guy with a real judges panel going right now is very very intense in a few minutes. I just feel like this bearcat how I don't wanna be Randy. I'm like all at a night. Or could be Mariah. Maybe mariah. Maybe Paula give one of them's. I'll know who to judge now. No. You know? I'm Paula Paula tonight. Go classic classic. Okay. All right. Let's bring in the host of the wand off the great, Casey Kasem them, rob. It's a pleasure to be here with an all star panel, including the purple pants bad ass, Bryce Isaiah. Wow. Well, welcome Casey to it's already historic one Bryce Yar lane is on the astral projection of the ghost of Casey Kasem for the first time is on you. Good. This is we used to take road trips back in the day. And like Casey case with the two hundred guys. This is the on the Casey case, oh say is well Chile. The case what you're looking for come on case come on Casey, Kate. All right. Let's kick off this week's honorable mentions. First up is an artist that goes by the name dibs on the Gibbs talking about Lauren this week's immunity challenge. On phone. Loria? Him there? It's. That was a great head from leash keys Calloway. Nice. Nice. Can't believe what? Warrior, Lauren O'Connell, the true wonder woman survivor to compete at that level to pass out. And it was like nothing for her. She was just mortified, but she was okay. You think that's the true warrior because I see a little different. I thought grow all Rura. Impressive. Impressive was true. Morea by. Negotiating over. Lauren's like not quite dead. Body was also. She was she was still blue in the face. So she. Roar figure she had a little bit five people about all it to happen before. It was like totally taboo to be as good sticking on the subject of Laurens valiant effort in the unity challenge. Here's one from Audrey s from Dallas. There's still a. Com. Sure. This game. He's. Deal. Is game. That was a head from Katy Gallagher Perry. Or if I may Katie Matthew Perry playing Ron Clark Ron Clark starred so dumb. So the. Stupid. And these are just two honorable mentions. These are just honorable mention. This strap it we're going to be here for a bit. I hope you didn't have a recording session. In casey. I got a coffee. Don't tell these month. That's weird. Checking on what's going on over on the edge of extinction with a brand new Wanda of artist force of will. David and come ready. With send to reap. But you you Scrooge gab into let's try to scheme in runs free every now mode it, but if he. People that. Getting. That was classic from the pointer Rob's sisters. That was from big Wendy. Jesus. Next up. We're gonna take a look at how Kelly went worth gets into the water. Here's Nick Fishman with Aaron Robertson. Now, you got. There's. Don't hold your. You. Seriously, asked a lifeguard about this it works that was a special request from Randy Bailey performed by Michael Jackson, day, Burke, whist well, soon to be bringing MJ back into this. I feel like come all the vocals and the ad. I was living for that one Michael Jackson's been gone way longer than I have Josh. Still. Little dicey. But. Don't don't leave Neverland. Let's get back to the comma six and here's Irene talking about the game plan for comma. Sure. Say. Still me. Dry. What the class there that was and original composition? There's no band for that. Com. Is that is that Spice Girls AA? When me rob is not just on don't bring Spice Girls into this. That's Bice girls. Now, the Romeo and Juliet soundtrack. I don't know. Who's the artists originally? But I remember my Romeo plus Juliet vividly. Let's go with Jessica Pete layer Q xio is rocking out to that. My man, Harold Perrineau. Getting it all out on the on the dance for what it's from. It's great moment in the movie next up. Let's check in with people that made the big flip for. Here's Jason Lee. Scheme jews? Plight indies. That was computer full song from Billy Garcia, Joe. I'm loving the classics. Okay, notice not Greece. But I felt like I was in Greece rope with. That's got to be the first longest time. We've had on the one I want to say it's the second. It's been a long time since last longest time. Josh, did you know that earlier this season we passed one thousand all-time one offs? It is true. We're closing on eleven hundred and how many of them are from Aaron Robertson only nine hundred seventy two. The most popular topic from the wand off artist this week was Rick Devon's and his voting strategy. There's week here all the way from Australia. Here's Sara and Lindo. Stories. Tribe with. Devoted the sun. Try Connie boomlet with Dave Reid. They need to live with rain now. Visit. Are you all with mass you pay? We should put more dog. Oh god. Not the don't look we had we had to cut it short because I'm already on thin ice with rob sister Nino. And there's a bunch of words that are bleeped coming up in that song, which you could listen to tired on the soundcloud. We're just about to suggest euthanizing the ward. Certainly not something that I or robs us. You know, would suggest that we love pets. Oh, I've heard otherwise recently. But we don't need to get it all that next up. Here's Isaac from Wisconsin wants to talk about Rick Devon's. Hey, less. I don't think you like way. No way a mild trod Nate come. Let me under your. You're getting. Jumping to your own. Koeppen Neidl, please, David. That was the great artists. Averell lemme know. It sounded Blake Devon's that sounded like Devon's himself was singing that song is Rick Devon's actually Isaac from Wisconsin. And it's a good alias from the sap Shak. Next up its last week's eleven year old Wanda off winter. She's back and here in the honorable mentions. Here is the amazing maisy talking about Rick Devon's now jaded, I'm good. Give you a by patient. Comes in Durham. Well, they can't slavery. Agreed. Big is this story. He says don't venture don't bark or taco fast. Gotta be you. You're getting played. Spill gets give me. Dem did a one. Population. She's reading Rhonda. That was the artist Andy grim. Erica. Not an easy one to do. Right. We have a Levin year olds who contribute to the wand off eleven year old. Or they kilted that was surprised to these are the honorable mentions. These are just little mansion. Shaffi talking. Finance you. Please be more specific. I am a radio legend. Long time since we've done a wand off with with a fourth person in the booth. There's usually just the three of us, rob, Casey. And I and Tibo and mad. Great. Can you gotta be careful that you might you might pull a Lawrence. I'm needing to jail. 'cause I'll Dr Mike here. The only way I know how to get CPR as not your mouth. So. Oh, no. Visit cut spicy. We've got one less Arbel mention from this week, and this is a collaboration between Tyler and Megan and Michael j Clarke, and it is definitely not two separate entries that ended up getting mashed up. This was Tyler in Meghan collaborating with Michael j Clarke similarly to how Michael j Clarke collaborated with Karen from Canada this feeler assigned in the Dr Mike podcast. I can elaborate dot to songs that are mashed together a ruse. Remember when you all done my name, less on extinction. Pretty they 'cause like hadn't played together in a week. You said around again and say Evans, you're playing with your heart. Just use your brain trust us. Remember how you voted yesterday? I say, yeah. Accepted trust you guys at all. Your dogs curry you return you. Never ever ever win. Bye. Julie with green, but is never ever ever done of. Oh with what were. That was a beautiful duet from figgy and Taylor swift. Wow. Good to see them back together. You know? So what say they were never ever getting back together. Mended fences. It's good Bryce are you ready to hear the top five songs all of wombats nation. Bring it on bring it out on first up is a man who's no stranger to the wombats top-five here. He is. Bob with two Bs talking about everybody's favorite pineapple shirt. Castaway? Your outfit slamming. With pine pattern. We need to examine you'd gone from head to. So please. If you've made. With your nudist should new crew socks imports combination. Winston with sun. They say you just like Nick will. A southern on a mission. But he was rocking cupboard and fruita Jerry subsitute on our screens. We had no idea. On your pizza. Imagine that the vitamin c would help stave be just like being because you don't need to be versatile chipping in style. Lawsuit. Beiber acquire your entire tire attributed shop. Makes me wanna big up us we yucca. As if I need an excuse to produce the truth is your screens. Because you can't take off your lineup. Winson gather with zone. That was the Arctic howler monkeys. Komo get. That was good. I want pineapple now. Hungary dinnertime, and it's like past dinnertime. You could always tweet at pineapple boy twenty seven fine apple to spare next up. We are going to hear from duo. That's new to the top five here is Kyrie and Alex. And they're here to talk about Mr. Rick Devon's, I'm done. Kim. You terry. You need to come back to. But that was. You. Now Jones past losing. For number. Put. Devon's. Now, he's on comms. Now. Now he thinks too. It's yours. Four four four four. Extinction. Dr. A great song from Tommy to Tony wlac. Oh. Bryce were you excited that there were some indeed dot com? Resumes. Mentioned on this week's survivor with an address at the top. I loved it. I'm here for come on. At tribal council gave it right made. An impassioned plea for the members of comma to switch sides, and here is X. Bree talking about David rights speech. My name's David and. I started off inspirers kind of neurotic ball. And then by the end of the game day thirty eight I was like this huge threat that everybody wanted to vote out. And unfortunately, they did. Just want to say. Maffei castaway. Get to play day nine. Tried to. A sad kind of cracks. What if mind? Pilots. Cheetah? Remain kind and professor, no. Matab? That was the band pilot or passenger. When this low ones, come all. Airy slow jam. David writes, slow jams? I wonder what his slowdowns playlist would be. Bedroom bedroom apartment with them. That's on David rights record shelf. His DVD's reported the record shelf. DVD show. Get so much play. We're not talking enough about Dave read slow gyms. I'm really glad residing light on it. Next up. We've got the number for song in all of wombats nation. And it comes to us from a man who's three-time wand off winner here on the edge of extinction. As he goes to become the first four time winner this season. Here's Alex g featuring Emma, Alex. It's you, and I I was the only one that didn't get while tap already. Once we black hats if you want me to trust you they come on. Josh saying go out Steve no-one said go aura. Go Aurora skinny girls know, you came here to skein. But can way Laurean Cam freeze. Know what you're trying to do. I know that you don't want to lose Lawrence down. Medical. Medical Aurora lawn. Down at twirl medical hit the ground a shake. She's like an blocksize to the skelly. And you'll love these. Toting up their cabinet. Julia. Winning the vote up of a master thinks. He knows what's up that. He's over here. Looking like a puff or I p is coming over. We'll see who's going to take it over weight Lawrence. Dizzy, hold up. Tizzy on. No, it came scheme the same time 'cause Lauren camper. I know what you try to do. She gets water and some help from the group is Lauren's down. Aurora on for geez. Going down. Going up quicker. Catrine doesn't want to Dr Joe helps her get fluids pulled a coal matters. How did you do do that? Dr mike. Nascent puts your hats. It's the wand up just wig lers laughing his hat off while more south single black hat trick double black cat trick. If you bring it in the one you'll get triple. Tuck listeners called me exchan- the number of black asset I've one St.. We do know what came headed to the open after Lauren polls through because Lauren's down. Aurora wants to. This want us down for. Yeah. That was hardest Flo. Rida various. That was tortured to that with that was. Like, Abby Maria. That death a hit right there. Let go. That was the number four four four four song in the wiggle room. This lucky number lucky number next up. We have our fifth and final wombats song in the country. Here. He is the winner of the season. Thirty six want off. It is the great Tyler Jacob Jones. Will he's back for Aurora. Million. Cheers, victoria. Crying 'cause I'm missing. The saying, no. And I'm gasping foot Tom to make a deal, wait Lawrence. What I don't know body saying Goba role. They're saying world. Provable run because Lauren's on the Laura. Makeup. Of. If the Joel want so say. Step down. Me. Turn to. Debt? Two. Time. Was beautiful song from lady Gaga Lou. Those are your top five songs in one bats nation here for episode number eight of the edge of extinction. You can vote all week long. When you go to rob has a website dot com slash vote Wanda. And of course, the patrons of rob has a podcast and hear all thirty two songs from this week that were submitted on our soundcloud playlist at rob has a website dot com slash patron. Well, oh my God. Bryce, it's been a pleasure to talk with you here today on this week's one. Josh I'll see your butt back here next week. Why are you looking at my? But. Casey, a married. Also, I was asked to pass along a message to the Wanda of artists to try to keep the one offs to under two minutes. Requested. Casey. I think we have good. They're fine though. They're fine. No. That's that is in the rules. Try to keep them under two minutes. So for Casey Kasem special, thanks to Randi new pool for putting together this cloud playlist and Jason Curtis Rivera for making all the videos, keep your feet on the floor and keep your hands off the table. Casey Gatien everybody. You did it again, just see. Oh, Mike, another another historic wand off in the in the books, so many great slow jams as requested by the great, Bryce. Yeah. David rights record shelf. Yeah. A lot of a lot of play. Okay. Bryce, do you think that we will hear a lot of Celo jams in Philadelphia in but a week and a half. Oh, yeah. I don't know. We listen we go hit the slow jabs hit some ranch sauce here some country songs, but yes, I'm so excited for the Bryson win presents karaoke official rap karaoke party, which is next Tuesday, which is a week from today. But God, I can't believe we bring to Philly now been all rat long long on it all. Rabbiting Phillies that we can't do it. It's not enough and look. Come on craw. We know. For the live Keiya and the bright the whimpered since Carrie, okay? So we got a lot of great people come out to the rat, Kia and the care of you. Okay. So you wanna make sure you get your tickets now at a dent, bright dot com. Lincoln my bio or windows bio, get your secrets near because we got some just cleared that the tickets for the key part that you and Wendell or are setting up. Tickets are available on the link. You're going to get out. Yes, come on come on moderator, guys. I just wanted to be clear because people are also asking me for tickets for the actual note alls event and a very sad to say those tickets are saying. Go out keep an eye out that if we have any if we have an evil abilities opening up, I will I will let people know on on social media, there might be an opportunity to get tickets at the door potentially. But as of right now that those tickets are sold out and sir booking. A second locations, which are to bigger a simulcast bigger location Sarda. Yes, I'm fat. Away got out the window, and I are so excited that from this core of rob has a podcast rod and all of the patriots for life. Supporting this that we've got some. I mean this ankle and be your regular old karaoke party. You know, anything Isaiah puts his name too has to be fabulous has to be amazing. So we have so many prizes that we just can't wait to life for you guys to see, but we have one particular prize for the arap patriot only that we just wanna make sure that we give away. So we couldn't figure out what how to decide how we're going to do it. So I figure you're not just released a new single which you looking for. So if you are awry has a podcast patriots. And you are coming to Philly and going to be at the rant of it. And the karaoke event, I need you to enter into this amazing contest the win this special surprise that. We have for you. So I need for you suppose, either on sweater or Instagram or Facebook of video. Fifteen second video of you listening to my new song which are looking for with the hashtag which you're looking for ramp. And you'll be inserted in a special prize. That will be given out at the Bryson win presents every yoki and Phillies. Ooh, that's a lie. Goes a lot. A lot of a lot of rules. Let's recap the goals. They're get together for. So you have to be O'Brien podcast patron. I'm not sure how you're gonna confirm that. But I'll I'll let you know, you tell me and then video listening to the the new hit single what you looking for dating featuring e Berrios thing, and then you were going to use the hashtag thing. What what you looking for are HP, ding. Just that that that hashtag the hashtag W H A C H U L O K I N G F O R P. Ding, ding. Randomly select the person that will do. Very come. This is like the extinction. You still in the game. Now. How much better would the edge of extinction? Be if they had karaoke. Yeah. There. Why are we not getting to see like remake daily just rocking out some slow? Do you not even do carry? Okay. This ain't no this ain't no price and win. Artie. How does get ready to take a nap? That's gonna take. And now every singing. Is the special prize that people are going to win from this competition? Bryce, it's gonna be you and Wendell popping out of a cake at the karaoke party. So it was going to be that. But, you know, this is the case over us was a lot. I kinda wanna tell you what the prizes, but I don't know. Like, I feel like so you think I should tell them what the prizes robber. No keeping low surprise. Could you make a hint? Okay. Good. Good. Good. Okay. So this this. Surprise is sponsored by international. Okay. Did you see that during survivor the other night, commercial internationals or life? I mean, I've been watching the maybe they have a sponsor for years. And I haven't noticed it. But all of a sudden after everything with you, all the international blade. Hey, we should buy time during survivor come in my voice who Jesus come on. God, listen international, delight your, I know you're listening 'cause I know you are listening. Okay. Listen, y'all got put in there. Come in. Gun ho door, you need to call me. I'm not play which all I drink the coffee by now ever since new incidents that had been with the coffee club where we talk about that. Now, we're talking when I wonder if he'd been show. But yeah. My shoe. So I was watching it, and I'm like in my trip like, and then you my phone started blowing up 'cause you know robber tweeted God. Yes, it Gus in the national delay. Let me ask John Jay. Josh wig ler is a entertainment industry insider. Indeed. Josh, what do you make of this is a coincidence? I think that the people in Bryce office. Mad time. Yes. And you need to be a little careful at work Bryce, I feel like. Laissez story that I got. But you don't think that there's some guy like in some like needing like our market research indicates that the audience that really enjoy tweets the most about international delight seems to be survivor fans for some reason. So I think. Possible during the TV show survivor. I think we'll have a three hundred percent Harket grow. Yeah. Look they were right. You know, it goes a good gamble on their Barton. That's like the whoever figured that out ever. Got that stat should get a raise for sure get Jerry. Thank you, Jerry. That was Jerry. For some reason. They also seem to really prefer the southern pecan. Brian. You heard what's up, Jeff? Okay. All right. Yeah. Bryce isaiah. Here. You could hear him on title on YouTube on tunes on everywhere music is heard what is there a link for for the for the album for the for the new track. So yes at the link, I can give it to you can put it in the bio below. But or you could just you know, type embrace on title on apple music on Spotify. Just. Not on back page. The different price. Isaiah. Okay. All right. Of course. And you could follow Bryce I say on social media for more updates about singles about the karaoke party. And so he's going to be a really fun event next week. So really looking forward to seeing you in person Bryce, yes side, you come in the Philly the home of brotherly love, rob the Accu wait smell the pollution in the air. We major city, you know, working on me. But I'm really really excited for next week though, Robert so, but thank you so much like deciding to come the Philly because then just blessed my little heart. I just I still can't believe that. I don't have the drive six hours to go to rapid. I you want we owe you once we have to come about the Philly. I'm the cited Josh wig ler is working his butt off getting ready for everything game of thrones. You want about him on Twitter? He is at round Howard. You could check out everything that he's writing for t- HR, go to HR dot com slash game of thrones. He and I are going to be doing is gonna win the game of thrones. Who will be on the run don't even get Zion? My right because you have no party. But I don't know either. Is your the hostile? Yes. Because I'm having a little game of thrones pot who we're not going to your costume party. I mean, that's true. Will you know, come? You know, mother always comes to slay. Okay, dragging or not. So that's your head who I'm going to be you ever donaire tug area. I mean, I normally use it at night when people come over. But I mean, yeah, you know, the mother drag is off. But so who I think though row quick though? I really think that the neighbors. John snow like together combined somewhere they're gonna get together have a baby. But as long as the never address. No, I'm happy. Okay. Anybody else we will have problem? There you go. All right. Josh L A you wanna say tonight. No, this is I've laughed so hard. I don't know where I am anymore. It's a great thing. It's a great feeling who needs box y when you've got plans. All right. We have got a jam packed week. Coming up, a Bryce your friend and mine t-bird is going to be our guest on the recap this week. So looking forward to catching up with her they? Yep. And then of course, Eric Stein is going to be my guest on the feedback show this week. And then we'll talk with the tabulated who most recently ended up podcasting about the show million dollar mile and put a real Clark Kerr special on it. And now it's no longer on TV. He did it. He really lived up to the to the reputation. Yeah. Job. Well done. Did you watch the million dollar mile DVR did? Yeah. You weren't alone. Okay. All right. So that's coming up this week full sand. Cloudplayer's available to the patrons of Roberts podcasts at rob has a website dot com slash patron. They make all of this nonsense possible over on Robin Akita pike season three episode seven of Beverly Hills nine oh, two one. Oh and cleaned out the wheel waiting room, if that is something you might be interested in, and of course, if you miss any of our podcasts from this week, the know it alls, Abby Maria, Dr Mike Jenny autumn on this week, inspired. Check those out at rob has dot com. Plus Brent on the B B and why Eric lost with David. 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The History of RHAP: Rob Cesternino on 10 years of Rob Has a Podcast

Rob Has a Podcast

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The History of RHAP: Rob Cesternino on 10 years of Rob Has a Podcast

"From my apartment rob has a podcast and Here's the guy who still has the same lame came up winning and the music for ten years running. I am rob sister. Nino love everybody. Welcome mm to this very special edition of Rob has a podcast where we are going to be talking about. Ten Years of Rob Rob has a podcast. This is not necessarily going to be a clip show of clips from ten years of the PODCASTS. Although we will hear here some clips along the way this was basically my idea of how in the world did we get here from where we started ten years ago. Of course Most listeners. I think might know that. In addition to Wednesday night being the survivor forty premier. It is also going to be the ten year anniversary of a rob has a podcast on February twelve. Twenty twenty that the the first episode of the PODCAST was actually on February twelfth. Twenty ten. So we're going to be celebrating our ten year anniversary. We have a lot of stuff going on this week to celebrate that including on Wednesday night we're going to have our big Premiere Party and ten year anniversary celebration here in in Los Angeles we have a whole big show plan. We'll be bringing you all of those Celebrations as well during the week this Wednesday night that we are going to have this really big party. There's going to be a a celebration. There of the ten years of rob has a podcast. We'll be doing about forty five minutes show before we have the west coast viewing of the episode. So that is going to hit your podcast feed video you later on this week. And we'll have red carpet interviews with everybody that's going to be there. That's going to also be available on our youtube channel. So be on the look for that and then we will. We'll have our live no at all with everybody. That is there at the celebration. That's going to be after the west coast airing so you gotta stay up late. If if you're on the East Coast for the alive otherwise everything will be available for you in the podcast and on video. Of course we really appreciate you. Subscribe driving to the podcast making sure you're subscribed here at the start of the saviour season rob has website dot com slash. itunes greatly appreciate that here at the start of the survivor overseas. In and of course to celebrate the ten year anniversary of ROB has a podcast. So don't normally have podcast her block before attending to do a show so a lot of the shows okay. I know exactly what it's going to be before I get to the studio but this is one that I really went back and forth a bunch of different times about how he's going to do the show. Because originally originally I started with the idea of like okay. Well maybe maybe it should be a best of ten year clip show and maybe it should be. Okay well what about one or two moments per year a year and ultimately ended up deciding on was that I really wanted to focus on the the why in the how we got here as opposed to the the what and we did so many clip shows over the years between all of the best of and then also Best of one thousand best of two thousand. This is actually episode. Two thousand nine hundred forty six of rob has a podcast. WE'RE PROBABLY NOT GONNA stop down for a a best of three thousand anytime soon. But I'M GONNA link to all of those here in the show notes for this one you can go to rob has a website website dot com slash R. H. A. P. Tan for this. If you want to go ahead and listen to this at a later date eight or if you want to recommend to somebody who's new or just see all the links Robin's website com slash rha P ten for this episode of the podcast. But I really wanted to just focus on you know everything that led up to this point and ultimately why I have this podcast and and how how it was created because this podcast is really. I think it's an important part of survivor history. At this point I mean survivor survivors celebrating. Its twenty year anniversary. Robs a podcast has now existed in covered survivor for more than half of the existence of survivor. I and when I step even further away produce a podcast has been over twenty five percent of my entire life at this point so it such such a big part of me and I think it's become a really big part of survivor and I just really wanted to take this time to talk about an I appreciate you listening to you. Wherever this is gonNA end up going in the origins of rob has a podcast that there was no sort of like a great vision about where this was going or what this was going to turn out to be really what ultimately ended up happening? I I have to go back to right around the time when I got off of playing survivor where I loved survivor. So much ended up on the show. I got got to have a great run in survivor. The Amazon I also appeared on survivor all stars but I was in one of is to kind of dark places that I've had over the course of my life. Maybe maybe more maybe more But to that I can really I remember distinctly and I didn't know what I was going to do after survivor. I worked in the Insurance Office that I had gotten a job at at my mom actually worked at. It was fine but it was very it was very safe. It was very boring and I didn't go back to working there after I got on with survivor. The Amazon because I knew I was going to go play on all stars and then I went to go play all stars and it did not go great. It was a huge. Would you let down for me and then there was like nothing else. There was no opportunity that I had been so desperately hoping for after after my year plus a playing survivor that I thought that maybe somebody would say like. Hey like we would love to give you a John. I would've done anything I really. I was not looking for like being a celebrity but I really I would have like gone. You know and worked anywhere in the city in terms of like you know being like an intern at like a TV station. or or or whatever. And finally I was in a very dark place I I didn't know what to do. The only really positive causative thing in my life in that time was that had just started dating Nicole and that was all really great and but I was pretty. Did you know just depressed about like what am I doing. We're where's this going and I just envisioned myself back where I started where I was going to have to. So you know you know crawl back to my old job and go back there and I actually was approached by a producer who was working working out in Los Angeles at a company that they were trying to do stuff with former reality TV people. The theory was that you I know that these networks make reality TV stars and they're they make them famous and then they throw them away and it's sort of like well. Could you do something with these people. After the fact act in and it turns out not really But that was that was the idea and he wanted me to come out there and ultimately start to work with them and I was working remotely for for a while and eventually that this was in late. September two thousand fourteen two thousand four and they this person's at the me like hey I want you to come out here and move to Los Angeles and I didn't think about it too much. I was like okay. Yeah Yeah I think I should do this. This and boy Nicole was not happy about that. She said that this was it that I was picking this job over her. And I said Said No. I don't think so. I don't see that way. Like I think we can do both and she said basically if I pick that we were breaking up and that was it and and I said let's let's give it a chance. Let's give chance that she was very very down on the idea the the whole time. She did not have any sort of faith that it was going to workout workout and I said I think we can do this and it was. It was a very difficult situation to be in. And and you know I. I really empathize with how she felt. Because I mean what what business did I have saying like okay. Well like blue beyond hold and let me let me go pursue this thing that I really want to go do but th- that is ultimately what I did in October of two thousand and four four. I made the move and I went to Los Angeles and Nicole and I were long distance and we would see each other and you know maybe like every month or maybe every other month you know she would come back and forth and I ended up working with This production company and I was working on something that would they called the fishbowl at the time. Now I'm a few ping pong balls short of fishbowl. But that was what the because you look at reality. TV people. And it's it's like a fishbowl. And so that's what it was and I would do like interviews with reality. TV people. And and I would you know recap cap episodes of survivor and I used to do that. With Gentle Lewis at the time back in two thousand and four and you would have called it a podcast. You know had podcasting been invented at that time it was really just like an Internet radio show and I love getting to do it. It wasn't the only thing that I did but it was is one of the things I got to do it. That job and I really loved getting to do that. Ultimately that company was going to go out of business and I was not going going to be doing that for chew much longer maybe baby two years or so. I ended up doing those types of Internet radio shows with the fish bowl and then that ended up going away and we the guys that I was working with was now a new company and we started like developing a lot of content for the Webb Youtube videos and shows that we had Developed for different clients and it was a great experience for me learning learning like all the different aspects of video production and directing videos and writing videos and editing and marketing and so there were a lot of skills calls that I learned along the way over the years from two thousand and five through two thousand nine but after there was the big crash in the economy in two thousand eight in that economy and I was out of work basically we had. We had no funding so we were. We had this company and then nobody was giving us any money to make any more videos and so basically I was just ah out of work and had nothing going on and I just didn't know what I was going to do. I had no idea where what my next the job was going to be. And this was probably around by like April of two thousand and nine I think was when I think I was officially like You know not not working and I was just like completely lost. I didn't know what I was going to do. I knew that I I had enjoyed what I was doing of writing and working on web videos but for the most part you know especially like in web video production like people just make their own does not allow ton of people like. Hey I wanNA hire somebody to make videos for me for for Youtube and I then I really tried to start to focus eventually on like marketing. Those those videos I mean actually. I'm skipping ahead. A little bit really when I was at work. Okay well maybe. I'm GONNA write for a Sitcom Tom. Maybe that maybe that's what I'll do you know. Hey I always wanted to do that. And I started to attempt to do writing for Sitcoms and I took doc some classes and I said okay. Ask Them Downtime. But that really never ended up going anywhere. I I really found myself. Having you know I've mentioned podcast or block but that I really get writer's block. I have a hard time just sitting down and putting a typing and not getting distracted and going to other other places. This is for whatever reason that I couldn't podcast podcasts. To get done I go in there and get the podcast on and I've been very regimented. In terms of getting podcasts out writing I just have never been able to have the discipline to be able to do that and it just was not a fit for me but I was. You know getting a little distressed about okay. Well this writing eating thing is not really panning out. I need to find work. I need to have a job and I was unemployed. I was I I I had been getting unemployment at this time in two thousand nine and Nicole was thank goodness You know Nicole who was my fiance. At that time. You know. She was working and she had a job and she was bringing in an income at at that point and she was so wonderfully supportive of me where I think that a lot of other couples that one one spouse is out of work and or one one member of the relationship is out of work and the other one is like Seemingly not doing anything that I think that the other person would say like. Hey what's going on. It was like why am I the only person that has a job around here but she never said that she always believed within me and when I was doing and she had really no reason to I mean I had nothing going on at this point in time and so one one of the things that I started thinking about was like hey I need to have some sort of a presentation piece. I I need to be able to like. I'm going to go on job interviews going for like marketing jobs of trying to get into doing social media and what I was looking for or was something where you know they could like. Hey do our twitter do our facebook. Just try to you know. Help us on social media because it was new at the time and I figured that it would help like if I had something that I could show people like. Well why do you have any sort of like experience doing this. And so I was like well L. Like I'm going to start a blog. I'll start a blog and I'll start blogging about things and so I I got the domain name rob has a website is I sat for like a day like trying to brainstorm names for what what the website would be to rob has website because nobody can spell or say my last name name so rob rob has a website dot com. Okay Great I got that and now I just need things to blog it out. I had like a tumbler page. That would point into at rob has a website dot com and I was thinking in addition to the blog. I don't know where exactly I got the idea. India two. Oh like what if there was a podcast also. I loved Talk Radio. I really enjoy listening to podcasts. US At at the time. And you know there were podcasts. That were going on since the middle of that decade. I used to. You know I'd but listen to the Bill Simmons the B. S. report was the earlier version of his podcast. And then I would listen to a lot. Hi podcast about lost also J.. In Jack podcast was another one. I listened to a lot of WFAN interviews. And I still do that were ah you know sent out by podcast and so I said well what if it was sort of like very much was like in the model of the more old Bill Simmons. podcast like what. What if the PODCAST is? I could just like talk to people and there was like no subject matter. It was just okay. This is just the you know that I that I can make make the podcasts and talk to people and so in the summer of two thousand nine I got a second hand used microphone. That really did not work. I think I also had the other microphone that I had was the microphone from garage band. which which the had for playstation three I think and So I kind of figured out how to do that. And so in this bedroom bedroom in the apartment that we had I said I had this setup to do a podcast and I would podcast with iced. I tried to make a podcast with some with Nicole. Just talked about whatever was going on. I called a couple of different friends and talked about you know whatever was going on John in the late summer of two thousand nine and eventually I got bored with it. I think I did one in October. Of Two thousand nine nine and then there was a long period months where I didn't do anything with it. And you know I still you had you had all the setup to podcast was like uninspired and had nothing going on and with the the spring or the you know the coming twenty ten. There started to be a few things that ended up causing me to go back and revisit this the idea of making podcast and one of them was that the show lost starting to wrap up they were going to have their final stretch. custodes in twenty ten and a friend of Mine Ryan Papa who has appeared on the podcasts on a number of occasions and he's younger than me. He ended up being a person who played in my fantasy football league with us and still does for or twelve or thirteen years. And he's like. Hey I really want to. You know. Talk to you about lost final season. And we're getting the podcast going. Okay sure yeah. Whatever and the other thing that was happening was that survivor was going to be having this? Heroes versus villain season and there was a lot of stuff going on in the survivor world with the ten year anniversary of survivor. which it's wild to me that at the time the podcast August starting we were celebrating the ten year anniversary of survivor? And now here. We are celebrating the ten year anniversary of our AGP with the twenty year anniversary of survivor survivor. But there was a there was a big party and there was a ten year anniversary party and there was a ton of alumni that were there and it was that it was really exciting but another big part of it was I had watched survivor. Samoa and I kind of had been checked out survivor for a while but I had seen all the advertising about survivor Samoa and about Russell Hansen. How wh- The season was going to be like in your comes survivors ultimate bad guy and I? I was very interested in. I followed survivor. Samoa actually Very closely and I ended up going a to I went to a There was like a get together that was had towards the end of survivor. Samoa like right before the finale the and Jenn Lyon was from survivor Palau. She you know had a breast cancer and things weren't going great eight and there were a bunch of fans had gotten together and they were like having like survivor. Viewing Party at a nice hotel in in Hollywood and I I went. I went to that. I didn't have a lot going on and I thought that I thought that Jan was a great person and I wanted to you. Go out there and I was invited to go and go to that thing I went. I went out there and you know I met a bunch of the fans and I talked with John. I met Russell hance there for the very first time and I had run into survivor podcasters Joanne in and Stacey. And you know there are wonderful people and they are you know still podcasting away and they had said to me like hey we wanna interview view on our podcast and that was also another thing where I started like Kinda. Got The bug back of like talking about survivor in talking talking with them and for whatever reason I just said okay well when the survivor comes back on I'm going to let me start the podcast backup and I you know God knows I have time on my hands. I still wasn't working still with no prospects of working I. I was going to be getting married later on in twenty ten but had nothing but downtime in the beginning of twenty twenty me ten so I said okay. Well maybe the podcasts should be more Not just random stuff like let's let's try to focus the podcast more are about TV. And that's really where ROB has. A podcast ended up being born on February twelfth. Twenty ten and I want to play you a little bit of that. Introduction from the first episode of ROB has a podcast officially on February twelfth. Twenty ten the survivor heroes vs billions for me. I welcome back. Everybody raw has my past. I'm rob go back to the other podcast task for you guys because people are demanding it and I. I don't know if that's if that's the case here this week with one of the favourite all time I'm guests on rob has a podcast. The call Palmeri. My beautiful fiancee knew everybody in the coal is back people like like it when Nicole is on a here that people come to me on the street and say Hey Nicole we love it when the coal is on the podcast when you walking down the street people. When I'm walking down the street with somebody see that I know and I'm talking about the podcast? They I've I've heard that okay. I didn't do the big fancy opening this week. What do you think of that? I I liked the opening making entrance. I'm not sure how I feel about the opening. Try One opening opening lists open. So we're GONNA try one that way out an opening opening and see how that goes I'm playing a F ing with the format a little bit. I think I've stumbled onto. What the format for this this podcast is going to be named broke owes? I got estimates. Yeah I think the podcast is just going to be going to watch TV every week. Okay step one watch which we already do. And now I'm just GonNa talk about I watched on TV that we which you already do. And I'm just GonNa tape it though that's okay. That's that's going to be the podcast at the end of the week. Get get people on talk about a lot of TV and that was it. That was how we got off to to a start here on Roberts again the audio is So rough that really. It's it took a while. Took a while until we ended up perfecting over. It's going to be years and years until we get it sounding at least remotely professional channel but again we are two people in small room. Somebody is using a microphone. That is for a video game. I'm using a used microphone that I ended up by getting off of like some you know auction site and it was a mess but we were there. We were there and I don't know how many people were. You're listening to the first one hundred than that was a lot because it was not it was the survivor. Community was not as focused as it is now there. There were people that were on survivor sucks but things were in like there was no survivor. Twitter like there were people that were on twitter. Twitter was young. Facebook was a vote was young and innocent as well and there was. You know not like where we're things would go viral like they were. They were a lot of blogs. It really wasn't the same and it and it's very hard to describe The the way that it was basically if you were a facebook friend of mine then you would see on my facebook page that I was doing a podcast and I was going to be talking about the episode. Nobody in the survivor world. uh-huh almost very few of these players either knew who I was or barely remembered me so it really wasn't like like I was coming in with a ton of notoriety from survivor. You know there were people who were longtime survivor. Fans who were were you know friends had found me on on facebook and you know I accepted their friend requests but like that. That was the extent of the audience. Four War ROB has a podcast and in this first episode. I listened to it recently. We we talk about survivor. Talk about lost. We talk about American American idol. I think we talk about Jersey Shore. We're sort of like all over the place of like. Hey these are these are all the different shows that we're watching on television right now and EH. That's sort of like what the idea was going to be of what we're going to talk about on a weekly episode of Rob has a podcast. Eventually things are going to get a little bit more focused. There's going to be less sort of like Like Hey we're just talking about a bunch of different stuff and we're going to really we start to hone into talking about survivor and talking about lost and my vision was I would talk to Nicole. I didn't really envisioned that. We would have guests on the podcast too often but Nicole schedule you know. She's always had her own stuff going on and again she had a job. I didn't and so I needed to like Do the PODCASTS. Whether or not Nicole was around and so I ended up reaching out and booking guests and I ended up reaching out to more and more survivors. That I that I had known and I hit started booking getting people on the podcasts and what was great about that with that they were able to tell their followings and I started with people that I had known personally and then started to so you know the the people that I was reaching out to and you know all sorts of guests and we had a ton of great guests in the very first season rob has a podcast and we had a very fun engaged for small but very very engaged and excited about what we were doing and I really think that the secret sauce of rob has a podcast has been that we really thrive on on the interactivity with the audience. Where the stuff that I think has always resonated? The best is when we come up with something on the podcast us and we put it out there for the audience and then the people who are listening then take that and turn it into something else and give it back to us. Whether it's you you know all these different things like photo shopped images to you. Know what we have in the Wanda for ideas for the wheel. I think that that has always been. What has it's been so wonderful about this community and what has really helped us grow and become the kind of fun experience? It's that I've always wanted right as a pod to be been that interactivity with the listeners and so rob podcast would continue i. I had nothing nothing else going on. I I ended up putting all of my time into this and and in this way I say that I really was blessed that I ended up being at work at the time that I was because I looked at it as the great failure of my life that I was going going to be thirty or whether already was already thirty at that at that point in time trying to do the math and yeah I was I was already thirty and and I was out of work and I just felt like I was such a loser that I remember being very sad I went back and visited my parents and I looked at a picture. Sure of myself as as a kid and I just remember like wow this kid and I was happy and I grew up to be a loser and I have no job and like nothing. Nothing is has turned out right because I thought I was going to be a successful person thin and I'm not and this like why am I even. I was on Long Island and I go. You know why am I even going back to California. I've nothing going on. There is no prospects I have no. I have no job and in hindsight again it really was a great thing that I was able to new focus so much on this thing. That was a passion of mine to be able to do not just survivor but to the able to make the shows was something that I just love getting to do and it was so hands on and I had to wear every every single hat that there was to be able to make the podcast where I needed to learn how to do everything in terms of the the the audio and edit and make the website and market and booked the shows and an every single and get into you know Google analytics addicts and all all the different things and there's a ton of the great resources that were available on Youtube and people that teach you about how the podcast hod cast. But I had to still take the time to learn all of these different skills but I really really enjoyed enjoyed getting to to do all of that but at the same time liquor still had no job but the good thing was that I had lots of time to still podcast and podcast all about lost and then we started doing a weekly podcast about the celebrity apprentice. which was? There's a lot of fun to do at that time. And we ended up getting into podcasting about the Jersey Shore. All in twenty ten when big brother came we said. Hey I should podcast about big brother and I didn't do this as early every single week that we ended up doing we had a lot a lot going on in the summer of twenty ten that we were getting ready to get married that my wedding date was going to be on August first of two thousand ten and that is to take a little bit of a break from from all of the podcasting to go back to New York in the Colon I got married and coal still married me. We had very long engagement but Nicole still married me even though I had nothing going on except the podcasting hobby and she still walk down the aisle and said I do This is not the only ten year anniversary that I have. This year is also going to be my a ten year wedding anniversary coming up in August and so I was married now I had a podcast but basically no no jobs. No prospects But we kept going and we were going to have another season of survivor. Coming at the end of of twenty ten and it was survivor Nicaragua and again it was. It was exciting to podcast about survivor survivor. Heroes vs villains. There was height. There was buzz. You just like how it is now of like. Oh I can't believe the heroes and villains back. This is so exciting then came survivor Nicaragua. And there wasn't as much hype and it wasn't as much buzz in. There was certainly not a ton of momentum about survivor Nicaragua. And it's not regarded as one of the all-time time great seasons. But we kept going because I had nothing going on and people seem to enjoy it. I've always gotten a ton of positive feedback from the listeners. Who Seem to always enjoy what we were doing? We got to exit interviews for the very first time I'm in survivor. Nicaragua and I did my very first interview with Windy. Joe Back in September are of two thousand ten on our survivor exit interview podcast which was really just a favor. That was done for me that that I was sort of like the last exit interview that anybody would do on the international press day and sort of like at the very oriented. Everything else is like okay. Well let's let's do a podcast okay. After they've talked to all the different international media outlets so we were doing exit interviews on Tuesday out of basically like the next survivor. The next episode was going to be on the next day but that was when we were doing our exit interviews news and eventually somebody said like hey why why are you so far. Why are you doing you? You're you're in American. Why are you doing along your exit interviews on the International Press Day and eventually they moved us up to like a normal spot on the day after the shelves but it was in that very first season season of survivor Nicaragua that we ended up having one of our most famous exit interview moments? So let me take you back back to December twentieth twenty ten when I was doing a joint exit interview Nicole and I were talking with Holly Hoffman men along with Dan Limbo on their exit interview. The morning after the survivor. Nicaragua Finale So I I don't really know what would happen. I just hope that they would realize that I did something good and voted for me. But in this case you you just absolutely don't know and that's probably what I would have used and probably would use the fact of you know not quitting not giving up and just keep going forward so that would've probably probably would plead my case or miss my plane yellen to me gotta go. Yeah but I mean These ingredients like mandatory. Like I duNNo. Jimmy Johnson didn't do all of them. Yeah I I don't think he did all of you wrap it up. You guys have any. Is there anything on the Internet that you guys have a twitter facebook group or to use them. I've got a hundred today. Wow owns that's pretty good. That's wonderful uh-huh oh what are the great orange. EP moments. Dan Limbo is this interview mandatory. Sorry really could be a catchphrase for the entire. Ten Years of rob guests. Is this mandatory. No not really the So congratulations to Dan Limbo. On all of these twits and girlfriends and a very funny moment from Survivor Nicaragua's forever Nicaragua had some milestones milestones. We had our very first Tyson. podcast I it was also the season that we had the coach famous treadmill podcast odd cast in two thousand ten and so that was survivor Nicaragua. So we made it a year on rob podcast. Eventually in October of that year I was going to end up going back to work at least on a part time basis and that was a good thing and I still was able to have some time to be able to work on the PODCAST. I mean the thing about the podcast was that I really enjoy doing it. But you know if anybody had given me a job at some point in time I I had no idea what the podcast would have looked like if I didn't have as much time on the side but I always really prioritize doing the podcast and so I was able to now have some income coming in but then also was able to continue. Can you to work on rob has a podcast and so we were a year in it. We got to twenty eleven was exciting that we had our season of survivor. Redemption Island was on the Horizon Rob and Russell were going to come back. We had a new twist that was going to be a part of the game. I'm for Redemption Islands. People complain about the the edge of extinction look how quaint redemption island seems right now just to have only to people out of the game vying to get back in and it was a fun. Time for ROB has a podcast because they a we had a you know everything that was going on with the survivor podcasts and we also had a lot of room to just sort of be ed fun and crazy we we had no stakes nothing to lose and so we had a lot of fun and in addition to getting to podcast about you know everything that was going with survivor. We also said that. Hey well we have lots of fun talking about survivor could we. Could we just talk about anything anything that comes up and we said okay. If there's ever anything that we felt like it was worthy of a podcast we would be able to also do that with this format and that was the case when we ended up getting into things like the first appearance of Eric Stein talking about saved by the bell back all the way back in twenty eleven. Very long friendship that Eric Stein and I've had on the podcast but the one that from this time period that really gets it's remembered is when the Great Nicole Sister Nino and I talked about a hit. Some some people say maybe the song of the Decade Gate on March Twenty First Twenty. Eleven Nicole and I broke down the viral hit sensation of Rebecca Black's Friday. And I want to play you a little bit of that. Discussion from March Twenty First Twenty eleven and Friday morning. I mean it's a school school day. Assume that that's why she's up that early. She's not in business waking up at seven o'clock in the morning. So Rebecca black is. She sees her friends and they're driving to school decisions decision really decision. We're all faced with so sit in the front seat. It kicking in the front seat or sitting in the back seat now Nicole. which do you prefer so you? Would you rather kick in the front seat or sit in the back seat kick in the front seat I think. Yeah it doesn't really. We seem like much of a contest. I mean nobody is ever decided like you. Don't ever hear anybody call backseat. Yeah you hear people you'll shotgun. I guess they don't say shotgun anymore. But now here's the problem there. Is Somebody already in the front seat now. The now does I guess now. If this was really happening I think a lot of people would give up up their spot in the front seat to Rebecca Black. Well now you have to. You know you have to but I wonder if anybody would ever take a rosa parks like stand stand against Rebecca Black. Excuse me Rebecca Black. I have called this see. I've been signed sitting shotgun. You don't have a choice whether to kick Ossie you need to go sit in the backseat interesting and know what Rebecca black chooses. She not only chooses to you. Sit in the back seat. She chooses to sit in. Backseat middle the worst. See your car chooses to sit bitch. She doesn't choose to drive. She doesn't shotgun. You're getting ahead of yourself here. Okay I'm just saying that. This is going spoiler alert. All right gotTA GOTTA get down on Friday Friday. She mean by get down on Friday. You're thirteen that's a good question because these are some hard partying eighth graders. Yes she doesn't mention anything about the rigors of school that they need a break or anything it's all about the partying that goes on in eighth grade right now I don't know about you My eighth grade wasn't that much fun. Well I'm the wrong person and probably are I still hear from. I'm a bunch of people that they listened to that podcast. I just feel like that. That's so emblematic of its twenty eleven. We have almost no cares ears in the world that we're talking about Rebecca Black Friday. And there's a bunch of podcasts. From this time some call it the frigging five era era because that there is a lot of podcasts of myself and Nicole never again in the history of rob as a podcast. Are we going to have that much time together. Where we're GONNA be able to just podcast about just so much nonsense and that's the kind of place that we're at a history of the podcast in twenty eleven live in? We've got a group of people. It's getting larger. That are listening to the podcast. And it's just a lot of back and forth. The facebook group is very active. And I actually I misspoke It's a facebook page that we had where a lot of the interactivity on the podcast broadcast is coming from the facebook page where it used to be where the facebook page that you could go ahead and anybody could just post anything and there was a ton of engagement on all the post and then as facebook grew they made it. Where if you're a page only the page can post make post that people can interact with and that really lead then hurt the interactivity that we had on the facebook page for ROB podcasts? But that's really where a lot of the community that we have now. Starting starting to coalesce around the podcast in survivor South Pacific. We have this season where Cochran makes his first appearance in coaches back. We had to fill up just played in the season earlier. So ton of fun stuff to talk about on the survivor podcast. And in addition to that we start playing around with things like video for the first time where Nicole and I were doing a separate video cast. That wasn't about survivor. Where that was the the for the first time we connected a camera and broad video into everything that we were doing and we had like a standing weekly Eh podcast? which was the great name? Rob Has a web show which we started doing in November of twenty eleven. But everything really changed for me at the end of two thousand eleven December twenty eleven because That was was when my dad passed away and there were a lot of things surrounding the death of my father that I feel like really really changed me moving forward but in the immediacy of When my dad passed away that there was the Something about the conversation that I ended up having with my dad which really has always stayed with me since then and if you're a newer listener and you don't know this story I want to flash back to a time that I talked about this. Of course my dad died in December of of twenty eleven and ended up writing a a longer blog about it on father's day the following year and then a little while later I ended up talking about it on podcast for people who had never read the blog. And so what I WANNA do is flash back to when I was was talking about this. This is from a podcast in twenty fourteen and it I'm describing the final conversation that I ever Had with my dad before he passed away the I would. I would call my dad and told him on the weekends but we talk about the mets and talk about the jets and we we really. We never ever had like a real conversation between us. And I always don't like a you know for whatever reason like he just would never go there with me and and so at school and so I felt like I wanted to. I wanted to call him and tell him that. You Know I. I feel like you know I had this this thing. That's it's bothering me. And I and I wanted to talk about it with him and I was like so stressed out and you know I had no reason to believe this is going to be the last time I ever talked to my dad and my dad did not have Any any sort of sickness. My Dad was my dad was overweight and I always was. I was concerned about about his health. But you know it was. My Dad was sixty one years old and we had no reason. He wasn't there or anything like that. We have no reason to think that you know he was going to be. You know imminently passing away and so I called up. My Dad This one day I was going to like I put it off and I and I was like Maybe I shouldn't do it today. Maybe I'll do it just do when I go home. And in two weeks and so I called him and he was like in the middle of doing something he was like. Maybe like make dinner Before my mom came home from work and he was like making dinner and he just like like dealing with the radio is on John and I like it was really hard spice garden or something. He wasn't he was like he had like a there. They had like a Brussel sprout plan and he was like taking like Brussel so sprouts off of the the plan and doing something so he was like distracted and I was like Dad. You're going to have something that I really WanNa talk to you about. And he's like what is it an and I and I just feel like that. We can't really did. He say wait till you get to Kansas. Wait two weeks. Are you coming home. Only go down. I WanNa talk about it now and so I was like you know I just feel like you know that I have this thing where I feel like you know. I can't really talk to you the way I WanNa talk to you And and he was like you know rob you and your brother. You guys are both sensitive like when I was growing up like we didn't have like my dad was there were you know. Wouldn't get like hugs and and stuff like that and you know and and he was talking about how you know he sees other people that are that are that are like that and that's just that's just not the way that that you know. His his dad was and he. Just you know didn't really ever talk about his feelings but you know he. He was telling me how you know that he is like He. You know he he was telling me that you know when when I go to bed at night like I always always like say a prayer for my for my kids and he really started to open up their about like a lot of different different things that I had never really gotten to To talk to him about and as we continue to go on we were on the phone for like at least like forty five minutes or or an hour and I talked about a bunch of things where I was like. There was like a point where like I always felt felt bad about something that there was a point where I thought I feel bad about like one specific conversation that that we had had and I said to him about Out You know I always felt bad about the time my dad had been in a car accident one time and and like He said to me when he came home from the hospital almost got rid of me and I said like yeah almost but I was like I I would not being like. I was saying it sarcastically. Like it but I always felt like he he's brought. I don't even remember that. And this thing that I was like like I always felt bad out. That happened like he didn't even remember the happened. And and she said to me like you know the only time that you ever made me really upset was I heard heard you on the phone talking to somebody and and and and you were saying that the person on the phone like yeah I hate my father and I had never known own that he had that that had happened and I had I honestly I had no idea what the context of that was and I and I don't know if it was around the time like I was like you know going through casting like the time period. Sounds where maybe I might have been like going through casting for and as you know Nicole I am a loud talker. Yes okay so I was brought up for all. I know I might have been on the phone talking to somebody from casting and they might have been and ask like. Oh what do you think you're trouble. And maybe maybe maybe I was blown off steam. Whatever but he said that that he said I really had heard him go and he was really? That was the only thing I had ever said. That really bothered him and he never ever told me about it. Yeah and it was done. I had no idea that that was something that I had done and it's not. That's not true and I started to talk to him about you. Know You know my grandfather. My Dad's let's dad had died very suddenly at a he was. I think he was. Somebody's wedding and he had a heart attack and he died like very he died very suddenly and I remember being being with my family was on like a camping trip and we were not like camper cabins. We had gotten we had have gotten a phone call and I know that my dad had never gotten to say goodbye to his dad. His Dad just died and bothered him. I don't know if it did and I know I. I'm sure I'm sure it was not you know I'm sure I would have liked to have that opportunity and and I got into this conversation with him. Doubt I just like my my biggest fear. Is that you know. Someday something might happen to you. And I won't get the chance to tell you how much I love you. And you know he said to me. You know rob like I'm I. I Love Your my oldest son I love you. I'm proud of you. I remember I will. Yeah I remember when you were a little kid and taking you to the pope to the park and and basically you know oh he opened up to me in a way that he never ever did and you know we said a few things and he was like a sort of like you know all right. Are you done in jazz and I was so I was so happy and I called my mom and I called my brother and I called my sister and I was so oh happy accident because you're so happy I did. I was like so I was so I was like on cloud nine for for a couple days later accident. Sort of like was like when When I my car like kissed like another car like on a side swiping because I I was leaving a message on the phone with my sister like Oh my God Lisa? I had this conversation in with daddy was like everything is going to be like. Everything is going to be so different and we opened up to me and I never talked to him again and three days later I got a phone call voicemail from a family friend and You know if I ever get am I ever get a call from a weird your number. I'm always still like and it was. I got a call from a family friend. That was like rob. It's really important. Call me back. And it was like a voicemail all my God and Like I knew who is something was wrong and then my mom got on the phone with me and she said to me. Do you remember that amazing conversation that you had with your father mark and she just told me he was gone. And that was it and now's last time I ever I ever got talk and so the re one this this no matter whatever happens to me. This is the most amazing coincidence or anything you want to call it. That's ever happened to me. This is that there's no I've I've talked to my dad hundreds thousands of times. I never had a conversation station like that before and this was was would be the last time era I ever talked to him and I'll never I was given a gift by the the universe and I don't think there's such thing as a quick sentence that was meant to happen. I I remember the day that it had that happened. I it's like I'm so lucky because I got to have this. This could happen to week ago and I would have not gotten to have that the conversation or you could have waited like you wanted to. I wanted to wait. I wanted I wanted to put it off and so the point of me telling this story story is really that you know. It's it's father's Day. Make sure you tell you. Tell Your Dad you know if there's anything you want to say and not just to your dad to your to your wife to your to your mother father. You know your friend or somebody that you have animosity with you know just just suck it up and live life. Not everybody will be look. You'll be happy that you even though it's hard to do. There'll be a time when you'll be happy happy that you did it and You know that's something I always think about on father's day and if you wanted to if you want to read the whole the whole story of of this you can go to let me give short length of this Go to rob has a website Dot Com Slash Rob's dad so as we're talking about the ten year history of Rob podcast that it's not so much to me that Oh my God. What an amazing show moment for for me but it is a very important message that I've wanted to share with people that one? I had this incredible experience variance where I was compelled to call. My Dad had been you know I try to do a lot of self help and I had gone. I primarily. Listen to audio books but this was a time when I had actually gone to a workshop and one of the things that the workshop was. Hey GonNa call your parents. Thank them for things and I was like. Hey whatever but I ended up sort of being compelled that I had this uneasy uncomfortable bowl relationship with my dad not like we were feuding. We just like only talked about sports and I honestly dad like we really have not missed much in the ways ways especially of the jets and a lot of that stuff has not really been great but that being said I wanted to just really clear the air until my dad. How much how much I I loved him and it really made the world of difference because that was the last time that I ever got to talk to him? And it's just Sir this gift that I have gotten and I I do. Try to just pass along that message to people who I. I've heard from so many of you over the years that you know that my relationship with my dad was not uncommon in so many people have relationships with with parents that are standoffish. For whatever reason and it's it's you know it's very hard to be brave and to an indigo. Oh there with with people but you know for the people that I've heard from that have done. This has been a really amazing thing and people have changed the relationships because of that but in the context of why I'm talking about this now in the history of rob has a podcast this this. This was a very important thing to happen because the podcast was. You know a fun hobby at this point but after my dad died I really was overcome with the. Hey would like what are you. What are you doing not in the same way a that? I was where I I was unemployed before I started the podcast but I was just like this is not a future in this. You're having fun. But now it's time to be a grownup. It's time like no more fooling around. I wasn't going to stop doing the podcast but I really. It felt like that I needed to get serious about a career at this point and I started. I started taking online seminars in trying to build up my portfolio in terms of being somebody who was I I forget what exactly it was Some sort of online marketing where I was going to be you know getting my social media certifications and stuff like that where then I could get a normal job and then be able to focus on that and maybe I could podcast on the weekend but you know that my father. He was a police officer. He worked for twenty seven years in the NYPD. He took care of his family he provided for his family when he sacrificed for his family. And I'm married now. I want to have a family with Nicole and I just felt like that. I really needed to start to get serious. And that's where my head was at going into twenty twelve and it may not seen gene that way because we're going to go right into twenty twelve and we do the first ever miss survivor competition where poverty shallow. Oh became the first ever missed survivor. Edging Out Jennifer Aska and we ended up that turned into a whole thing but I the same day that we done missed survivor. I had driven like you know forty five minutes to go on a job interview and there was a couple of times where I I really thought position. And it's like okay. Well that was going to be. It may be like on a Saturday. I would do a podcast here or there and then it just never ended up coming up and I just kept doing the podcast because it was the only thing that I had had Going on and so I just kept working on the podcast and we were talking about survivor. One world at the time during during that season we had our first ever guest with us in the studio on April. Twenty six twenty twelve. John fincher became came. The first person who ever came to the apartment to do the podcast and we have a clip and I will throw to this one one. Courtesy of the ouray archives twitter account. Here is John Fincher in the apartment. Being the first live live guest on April twenty. Six twenty twelve talking about that night's episode of survivor where they had the challenge. Where you talk talk about like a witch person is this person is Christina? Shaw was opposed her and that resonated with John Venture came up during the challenge. They ask who is who is the biggest poser. I'd have I didn't know people were used to using the term but the John Interested interested actually jeff probst is still using the term. Yeah he he. He called me a poser in the youtube. Like the five minutes like cast introduction. Does he gives you his take on. One time I later found out why he had such negative things to say about. It was ridiculous. He was like we have the clip of that. The insurance can find it My Wax Denim. I don't think I don't think he knew that about me. Maybe but he had said like if you just go like survivor Samoa casts interview or casts. What does he call it your assessment? That's what he calls it. You'll find it. But he's like fincher John Venture Finisher. Pincher is a poser privledge. Or if he's just always find a way to make privilege work for him. which what we've given so no one really got it anyway but whatever prosise threatened I'm if I can If I could bring this up real quick the problem is by my autocorrect keeps turning throats into provos. Oh right right. You haven't had you haven't hit the X.. Gotten enough on that if I can beat you with my let me see real real quick. If we have Assessment I go to Youtube here. We go planets. I bet he's played quite John's censure. Oppose the guy is so good looking for so many years we area leader used to having things serve as opposed John. fincher is a poser. Yeah that's what Jeff. probst trump said and the fincher was a regular back in twenty twelve. That he would talk about the his dating show the fincher he said the poverty. It'd be on it. She said no she would not ever date a survivor. They're married they have a kid. The world is weird. So that's what happens anyway. Anyway twenty. We're going along. We're still doing things on video. We did coverage of the the amazing race. Twenty during that time Brendon and Rachel appeared on that. There was a young woman named Jessica lease. She called in wanted wanted to talk to us and blue shoes on her lunch break from work we started talking and she started blogging about the amazing race season. Later we would be podcasting about the amazing race. Also during survivor one world was when I was approached by a journalist over her at MTV news who wanted to write a weekly column about survivor with somebody who was a survivor -vivor expert. That young man's name was Josh Wig Ler but more on him later by the summer of that year ear till June. Two thousand twelve that I was going to end up making a trip back home to New York that I was approached by a guy named Daryl. Harald Darnell Daryl's Arnelle is a fellow. podcast her he was somebody who was also nominated. We were nominated for the very first time in in December of that year for a TV and film podcasting podcast award at the People's choice podcast awards awards and honestly. I don't even know exactly what the process was that we got nominated. I think we might ask people to nominate us and we got nominated did and we asked people vote for us. We did not win that award which we found out in December of that year but Darryl role and his podcast was honestly I forget if he had won the award previously or if he was just nominated but he was tasked with putting together a panel at blog world in New York City which was a conference that you know at least existed ended in Pie in podcasting at that time and he asked me to be a part of that panel. I flew to New York to speak on the panel. The first time ever ever speaking as a podcast her and I met a bunch of other podcasters. There and I went to a few other conferences. This is at new media. Expo also was on the same panel with Jay and Jack who I mentioned earlier. who were lost podcasters that I was you know really early starstruck to meet podcasters that I had listened to for the first time and it doesn't sound like it? was that exciting being but it really was kind of a transformative experience for me because going back to what I was saying about how after my dad passed away that I really felt like okay. Well you know time time to forget the hobby and get serious areas about what. I'm going to be what I'm GonNa do with my life. It's time to be grown up and I attended one of one of the seminars. There was somebody that was talking about the The book Napoleon Hill's Thinking grow rich and I like is known about it from from a while back but I never really ended up. You know focusing on it too much but I I ended up saying into myself. You know you know. Could I really start to focus on podcasting. You know. Could I start to concentrate on the podcast and take it serious like it was going to be something that I could potentially potentially do and I always try to guess is a hobby. It's not this is not my main thing is just something I do for fun. It's something that I'm doing to showcase piece is just we know we're we're just having fun but this was a really important time for me in terms of trying to take take this seriously and what what what could I do if I really started to focus and so I had gone back and I really. We listened to the audio books for thinking grow rich and I really focused on my goal setting and I had a a goal that I that I wrote down about. You know that I wanted to start to be focused on turning the podcast into something that I could be making money from Raum and taking it seriously and I was going to work at it every day and I used to look at the goal that I wrote over and over again and that really was a turning point for me where I was taking it more seriously and think that really started to show up in that summer when then we got into while the glasshouse was a thing that that happened in two thousand twelve but when we got to big brother fourteen I started to combine in the elements that we were working on of doing the video show and for the first time going live after an episode of the show. And we do that that with glass house but we also did it with big brother fourteen and the thing that we started to add to that. In addition to recapping recapping episodes of big brother live after they aired. Then we also started to talk about the big brother live feeds for the first time wherein big brother twelve and big brother thirteen. We didn't end up doing anything with live as we were so really just focus on the TV show like hey that's spoilers. Hey we're not gonNA talk talk about anything from the live feeds and honestly at that point in time the the live feeds were not as predominant as they are now. Social media has just made things happen but on a live feeds. Almost everybody knows about it from the light. It wasn't like that then. We you know the big brother community was not as connected or toxic as it is now and and so you could. You could sort of function on twitter and not really know the or beyond like facebook and not be spoiled on things as they happen on the lifebeat at this point in time so we started to. What if we were going to cover that on the podcast and in big brother fourteen? There ended up being a season. which I I I ended up coming up with a with a interesting way to sort of approach this because there were coaches that I thought that it might be an interesting way to cover the live feeds where then I was inspired sort of like the way that like? ESPN had like specific like team reporters. At that point they might have had like like Like bloggers that covered like specific division like AFC east blogger like NFC west blogger and so I had four people that I had found sounds to cover the live feeds based on following the coaches and the players that were drafted by those players and they turned out to be that I had for team Brittany a man by the name of Bill Methylene for team. Dan We had a guy named Matt Forsyth. who went onto flip coins with Adam Klein and beyond survivor prices? Right and then four team journal. We had a woman named Natalie Kujic and four team team buggy. We had a man by the name of Brian Lynch who went on to report about the live feeds with me for a few more seasons after that and it felt like that. Oh this we have something here we. I Bet I'll talk about the show and then we'll have people watching the live feeds and then we can get it. Reports from the live feeds. What a concept that this could be of live feed reporters covering big brother and that was something thing that came out of big brother? Fourteen in the fall of twenty twelve that survivor Philippines ended up coming up and I wanted to take this idea that I had of that. The live element the interactive secret sauce. Of Hey hey we all just watch something together now. Let's let's talk about it right after it happened. And I wanted to try to see if I could combine mind that with survivor which had been the biggest focal point of my podcasts coverage and so I had an idea for a way to to cover the survivor episodes immediately after they aired and so I reached out to a friend of mine stephen even Fischbach who I had been podcasting with from time to time and I came to him with an idea for a live survivor. Recap after the episode and the idea of it was that it would be called the survivor. Know it alls and that was the name that was tongue tongue in cheek and we would beyond right after the episode and then we could talk about the survivor episode. Right after it happens and he was very interested interested in the idea he loved the name. And I'll take you back to September twenty six two thousand twelve for the first edition of the survivor survivor. No one else coveney. You live live from our respective apartments. It's the survivor. Know it all and now here the guys who know everything about survivor except how to win the game. It's Bruce St Stephen Fish Back Stephen I am ecstatic to talking to you. Thank you for signing on to do this with us every Wednesday night after the show barring that if you have a life at any point during the survivor season well. There's one thing I know Robin. That's the paddle survivor. While dairy well. Well yes so. We're going to watch seventeen more people lose survivor this season. And we're going to tell them exactly what they did wrong. Because we are the experts we are the two people we know everything that the survivors could have done. Should have done what we would have done if we were there. We have no it backwards and forwards except that one small thing about getting people to vote for us to actually win the game but somehow it has alluded us both Burnett. I never win. Sort myself was the smartest survivor. Who Will Win the game eventual okay? Well that's good. I would much prefer prefer that. That's very good so we're GonNa talk about everything that happened. We had sort of break it down Monday morning quarterback or Wednesday night quarterback this whole thing. Talk about what the survivors should have done and for those guys joining us here tonight. It's a if you're listening to this in the archives it's nine fifteen on the east coast and we. We have just seen a roxie. Become the latest person voted out of the Very sad sack Russell. Swan Matt Sing tribe. It it seems like with these tribes drives somebody always gets off to the BAT. Start and momentum. Is Everything survivor. So that's two in a row now down to four people. The Matt Sing tribe and that was how the survivor know it. alls I kicked off. In September of two thousand twelve. Philippines was a a real real exciting survivor season. We had really gone through the pure the real doldrums rob podcast got started with heroes vs villains and and then we came out of heroes vs villains. Okay great we got a survivor podcast. And then we had survivor Nicaragua in survivor. Redemption Island and survivor South Pacific and survivor. One world considered to be maybe until now the dryest stretch of survivor history and somehow we made it through through and we made it through survivor Philippines which was a very fun season to cover the only time that I got my winner. Pick correctly as denise stapley is is now ready to see maybe if she can go to for to Allen Survivor winners war but Philippines was a huge season for the podcast that we really started getting a lot of momentum and people paying attention to the show and we got some big interviews that season. Here's here's one from October. Twenty Fourth Twenty twelve when Rob Maryono was my guest here for the very first first time on the podcast. Here is a little bit of that conversation with Rob Marianna. Here's here's one where Somebody wants wants to know Brian Whitehead wants to know we all know sister. Nina is often mistaken for you. Have you ever been mistaken for him. Now I don't know if you know this but I go through my life going places and people say oh Rob From survivor is here and people say Oh Boston rob like no no audited. It's true and a and a lot of times. People will just think that I of Really Boston Rob Really let himself go or could be Boston. Rob could really use a tan these days like you play along and like yeah. I don't I don't do you always hear that I would do that next time. Somebody does that. Then you should do that. Well lived uh-huh on twitter. Also people like sometimes. I'll get a twitter from people like. Oh Hey we love you. We Love YOU BOSTON. Rob How how's amber doing I will. I'll go along with say You know type back We just got back from Justin bieber concert. You know something something once in a while. How really wondering what does that? What this conversation is going why? Where Justin Bieber while you don't you don't have beeper fever? I think he's a little young for me So yeah and and then I've also been called the ROB. That sucks also. Yes it's true. I used to write the blog. I I used to write the blog on. CBS DOT COM and people would come in on it and a Lotta Times. People would comment like Oh Boston. Rob You did such a great job in yours and your season and somebody buddy. 'cause somebody corrected on. Hey this. Isn't Boston Rob. This is the rob. That sucks Oh my God. Don't don't describe any of that. You're right in my book. Oh thank you So magnanimous Rob Maryono there on October. Twenty Fourth Twenty twelve. It was my birthday that week so it must have been extra nice to me and yeah. That's a ways back. It's wild that was going to be seven and a half years years ago anyway November twenty twelve and turned out to be you know the hits kept on coming because it was shortly after after talking to Boston Rob on November nineteenth twenty twelve. I had an interview with Jeff. probst where where we talked about how people get on him about some of his high personally about an upcoming season here is is that interview with Jeff probst from November nineteenth twenty twelve. Let's talk about this season. Jeff I think this has been the probably the best season since heroes versus villains. You said before this season this is going to be a good one and people were like alright probes. You're the boy who cried wolf with s we but this time have you. Weren't I mean to say let me just say I honestly believe what I say. I I won't say like Fiji. I did not ever say one of our greatest greatest seasons ever. I know I didn't I might have said it's a good season because I do believe that we can week out. It's hard to find storytelling telling in the kind of show we're doing better than survivor. It just consistently great storytelling but agreed last year. Fortunately for Kim Kim unfortunately for the show she just ran she ran the game and it became really predictable. But I don't quite I try and I'm not trying to cry right wolf it. I hate that. I've lost credibility because I I only care about the people who like the show. Even the people who loved hate the show. I still like that. They love to hate it. So I don't like losing my credibility and I feel I'm feeling redeemed and going on out on a limb to say next season we'll be as good or dare say at. The risk of being ridiculed battery center of history was kind to that prediction. I think that the generally survivor Philippines regarded as a better season than survivor came. I think it depends on you know just how much you love Cochran. If you love. Cochran Jeff's does Then maybe maybe care mon better season than Philippines. Do you think that generally people consider Philippines to be the better of those all seasons but so that was that was back in November. Twenty twelve where we talked to Jeff probst so let's go to two thousand. Thirteen twenty. Thirteen was a year where we had been nominated for the People's else choice podcast award in the previous year and we tried to really get a campaign going to to try to get people to vote for us at the People's choice podcast awards and so what I had offered to do was does that. If people voted for me. I was going to shave my head. I threw that out there. You're on a podcast. And the First Lady of podcasting with was not happy at all to hear this. She's not like this idea. She was very very up. She's very upset about it. We got into a big fight and people said Oh well you guys are just you know that that's just for. It was not just for the shelf. She said that I had a a misshapen head that my hair wasn't going to grow back. If this was going to be a major problem why did I. What did I say this she? She felt like which has been a consistent source of tension over the years that I was putting the podcast ahead ahead of our relationship and she didn't like that and I think that the fact that then there was friction people all kind of wanted to see me get in trouble and then sleep on the couch and have my wife be mad at me and so we went doubt to Vegas in January of twenty thirteen and I did indeed win the TV and film category at the People's choice podcast awards and it stands behind me. I do have a shelf with a bunch of podcasting awards on it and that was the the first one that we won in January of twenty thirteen and we came home and she had said to me like a like later on that night. We'll so you're not really going to shave your head are you and I said well I I have to. I said I was going to and then it was the worst car ride on the way home from Las Vegas that she wasn't talking to me. It was it was not great but I knew she you would come around and the podcast award was going to stay and I did shave my head and then she made me wear hatch was like I can't look at you with that bald head and you have to wear I don't like Captain Picard. And she's like that. I I hate your bald head. Had you have to wear a hat and go to the store and buy a baseball hat. I wish I could wear that But it was. It was worth it and I was so proud of the podcast award of the very first podcast award that we had one and I was very excited about that. We came into survivor. Care Moen that fall or the spring which was very exciting? Because that there had been a lot out of the people that we had known through the podcast like Cochran and Andrea. I'm Karen we're all going to be back on a season of the show. Turn out to be okay. There were there were highs lows dawn with somebody else that we had known going back for the season in Carimo Komo in. We also started covering big brother Canada with something that launched in two thousand thirteen twenty thirteen was a wild year for the podcast because there was a lot going on in terms of the shows that we were covering and covering survivor Cara Mohan but there was also a lot going on on behind the scenes so survivor was getting ready to cast a blood verses water season and so there was a lot of rumors circulating in swirling around about who we're going to be the people cast on survivor blood vs water and Nicole and I I did get a phone call in the early stages of two thousand thirteen but we could not we. We're not we're not Able to participate because Nicole at that point in time was pregnant that we were going to be having a baby in in two thousand thirteen and the world didn't know that yet but we were making preparations on our end for us. We were going to be bringing bringing a baby into this world and so the we had an apartment where we had our bedroom and then the other bedroom was does the for podcasting. And I didn't want to necessarily share the baby's room with the podcast. We needed to find find a different place to live so we were going to be moving at the end of June for removing the June. First so it was like right after the season and so I stayed on a podcast that Nicole and I had move coming up at the end to the month which which happened to coincide with when the survivors were leaving for blood versus water and the rumor mill all was circulating and people were convinced. Okay Robin call are going to be on survivor. Blood vs water. That that's happening bening. Robin Nicole are leaving for survivors of water. And I would get like angry messages from people about. Hey I know you're going to say good luck and I. I hope you do well Rebecca like. I'm not I'm really. I'm not going on survivor. And then I would get back a message like you are a liar and I your urine A-hole A-hole stop lying to unlike I'm really not lying. I had gone to a certain message board that talks about this kind of thing and somebody Eddie was like Hey make sure you vote rob I. Because he's friends with Tyson and he's friends with ours and he has a pregame alliance alliance so make sure you vote him out. I I was. I couldn't people were convinced that we were going to go onto the the show and so the very soon after they were they were leaving for survivor. Blood vs water within like a day or two of the finale of of survivor Teramo in i-it-it's that we had an announcement coming up and a major announcement we would deliver. Here are the closing minutes of we know it alls react to the winner after the survivor. Finales from May twelfth twenty thirteen. Well well You know Stephen a lot. A lot of people have been enquiring. I have to thank everybody in the community of the podcast has been has been so great because I announced recently how I wanted to take a little bit of time off with the with all the podcasting Recently and part of that was how Nicole and I are going to be moving and a couple of weeks and I wanNA thank the audience because we have gotten so much support from people about our upcoming move people how all over have been good luck. Good luck with everything. I mean. It's not that big a deal. I mean I is moving is worse. It's the word deal. Yeah it's it's long and it's it lasts a long time it never and it's so hard to get back to number. Thank you so much to everybody. Who's been so supportive supportive to us? Since we've even announced that we're going to be moving the other day. Yes yeah we're GONNA find a box big enough for your whiteboard. I don't know but I the I can give you guys a little bit more information about this movie. That's coming up in the next in the next couple of weeks There's actually a a good reason why we're moving. We're going to be moving to an apartment. That has three bedrooms Stephen. Because the ROB has a podcast world is is expanding Stephen. What if the head moving in? Yeah I don't know you're you're not moving in and Brenda is not going to have the baby in these survivor. World Yes yes Stephen. Nicole and I are are very Are Very soon this fall will be welcoming a new addition to the Ron Ron. So it's a congratulations Cochran. We had we had a great time. Subscribe to the Youtube Channel. And that's a that's a shell everybody. We'll talk the Cochran in the morning. Have a great great night everybody drop the MIC and the birth announcement or I was a baby announcement. Expecting we're expecting on on Stephen Verge Stevens Shriek like that before. So that was how we broke the news to the world that baby dominic would be still a few months away we would move. We would end up in another apartment to podcast from for for me to come to you. Live from and boy the summer of two thousand thirteen at a lot going on. Of course we would then bring you something that I had filmed in earlier in the spring reality game masters was something that I did was the first time that I had ever worked on doing a kickstarter for production that one of our listeners. Great Alex forced in Haeusler had reached out to me about the idea of reality stars. Playing risk We had Stephen and Sofi and Cockren with Eric. Stein and Matt Hoffman Mini and Terry playing a game of risk myself and Dalton. Ross were there to talk about it. there are still up on Youtube. If you wanted to check that out that aired in the June of twenty thirteen like right after the season had ended and then we got into you everything with big brother that summer but I think that the really memorable thing from the summer of two thousand thirteen was a little show also known as who done it that Kurt Clark and I would podcast about in Giles and we talked about a show where a lot of people seem to be under the impression that they were murdering people right in front of our eyes every week on. ABC television another thing that was going going on during that summer of twenty thirteen as big brother. Fifteen raged on picked a winner of the big brother season. We'll stop stop down for a second dimension but we don't have to spend a lot of time on big brother fifteen but in August of that year the homestretch homestretch of breaking bad would air and I reached out to one of our listeners Antonio Massaro who I had actually started hearted to chat with because he was one of the people who that on the kickstarter he had pledged to donate some money for for the kickstarter for reality game masters in one of the things I did was. I had made phone calls to people that had donated four for the ten phone. Call that I did with people who were donors to reality Gay Masters and I ended up starting talking about Antonio and and we were striking up a friendship and I said hey big peak. TV Guy do you want a podcast. The final eight episodes of breaking bad on rob has a podcast. And we did that. I had been podcasting about loss but I had not podcast about a scripted. Did show on the regular really since then and something start something that started to percolate a little bit there with Antonio of love maybe that there would be a call to do some more scripted podcasting and in the aftermath of that. I got a phone call from Josh twitter. WHO said Hey I really like what you're doing with Antonio and breaking talking bad I feel like the maybe we should do that for the walking dead? Maybe we should do a weekly podcast. Now you've got a lot going on with the baby and everything and everything with survivor. But I said Hey I'm I'm a crazy person. Why don't we do that? And that Fall Joshua learn I would podcast about the first half of season. Four of the walking talking dead on rob has a podcast in two thousand thirteen blood versus water would come on that fall and that was the season. We're very excited. Of course that we knew a number of people are colluding our friends Tyson. RS among others coming back to play on survivor blood versus water. We would take a little bit of a break from the podcast because on September. Twenty ninth of two thousand thirteen baby. Dominic would make lake his arrival and we were very blessed to have dominic now part of our family and it was truly eh amazing moment in my life. Did miss the breaking bad finale or sort of like a little worn out a long day of for me but right Luckily Antonio Stephen Fishbach we're able to recap that and also dominic was came into the world on a Sunday so oh I think that we're able to avoid missing too much survivor along the way that was good. I think that actually Malcolm filled in for me on the know. It alls that week with Stephen Fish back and then I was back in the mix for exit interview the following day so everything everything was good. Everything was great with the birth of Dominic and twenty thirteen. There was one highlight though from the end and of twenty thirteen. That is still one of the most talked about highlights in the history of rob has a podcast. I started the year before four in two thousand twelve these survivor Philippines. Finale I think had been early on in December and I really had no content towards the second half of December and so I started doing annual Ra- happy holidays special nowadays the survivor overseas. It ends December twentieth. There's really like ends so close to when it's Christmas is almost like no time for anything else after the survivor season but back then that some seasons ended earlier and we had a little bit more time to play with and I would work on a big holiday special official and in December of twenty thirteen. I ended up Working on one of the most ambitious things that we'd ever done in the history of rob podcasts. With the help of legendary prankster Randy Bailey. And the the idea and honestly I don't remember you wear exactly this came from. I think I was talking with Randy about. Should we do something with the holiday. Today's special and I think that he was the person that You know I think that he was the person the that came up with. Most most of this idea the idea of a contest where a listener was able to call and contact attacked any survivor. They wanted and that listener was going to contact randy. And that Randy was going to be very mean into this person that one Christmas gift the miracle on perhaps street of that they were going to get get the chance to talk to any survivor that they wanted hailey strong not yet podcasting about the bachelor was someone who had I had a a group of people we call them interns eventually we call it a writer's room of people that were helping me come up with ideas and things to talk about and research for the show. Oh and we needed somebody to be the caller who was going to win the contest. We reached out the Haley. She was up for for it and this was the most talked about thing that happened on. Rob Has a podcast to this point and then for sometime time after from Happy Holidays to on December twenty first twenty thirteen well. I'm glad that can help us. What's your question? Okay so my first question You've played survivor twice. both bone. And here's versus villains What would you say is the hardest? Listen you've ever had to go through in these events all right Let's see the bugs. There was a lot of I cut my head and capone. That was pretty tough but actually Haley I would I would have to say it's the fans It's up on this show. They annoy the elements out there. Nothing compared to I've got a couple of stalkers. And now this frigging phone calls in the middle of the night Yeah it's it's the fans ready this is this is your. This is your number number one supporter on the line. I heard her. She said I was one of her favorites. If I was her favourite she would have said I was her favorite. Say That who who who. Who's WHO's part of you know her? Who's the other one? Is it sugar ray or to sugar and crystal stocks. I know actually you rob since you gave me the opportunity to talk to randy okay. So you're talking to favorites. I will continue. Can you if it was either of those other two This phone call would have been over advice. Go ahead how many questions just one she has. This guy was like can I ask a question. Randy deaths change any Christmas cards or anything with the other survivors from Gavin. You know Y- all that stuff you hear about you know. We share this experience among friends for life. It's I I haven't spoken to. You're the fire I wouldn't have spoken to in in probably over two years And I've last one. I talked to was Charlie because I owed him money money Charlie money anyway all right. Let's go with question number number two number two two of five for Randy on the miracle on St Survivor. Fancy contests all right. My second question. your former try bates hyphen played on this season. fled versus water. What did you think of his game play was he? He was heroes vs sources villains Look I think his game play in heroes versus bill outlasted. Me must've been excellent But I didn't watch this season. They cut my cable off like a month ago. So Andy I you couldn't. We'll go online that you didn't even WanNa see all this season I've you know I've played it a scene. I used to be a huge fan but no I I didn't have any interest it's it's fantasy. You know you might as well be watching. You know Saturday morning cartoons interesting. Are you happy for Tyson. ooh What would you came play good or something or why would it be handy. Tonight's Nice Guy He's funny smart any win. Yeah he's the winner well good for him Yeah it's yeah. I mean good job Tyson yeah. I haven't talked to a few years ago but I didn't even I'm shocked. Did you have any idea when you were out there. And here's versus villains who you were with such such successful great survivor players. Since you've played with with these people now Boston rob came back. He won a season coach. Came back. He made it to the finals. He ca he almost WANNA season Tyson in came back and he wanted to season you playing with some of the greatest players of all time. What is just a spectator that these are? What are are you saying that I'm nick? I think so. You might be the next humid ninety the next survivor winner. Randy Haley Haley. How many questions is that? That was true. I I saw extreme order move. Keep going okay. I may third question If you ever had the opportunity to play survivor again which survivor. Where would you most want to play with? And Weiss the male or female anyone okay before my first season season or after he interest good person he's ever played survive. Eh I have to go with nine. Nine Year olds convinced this rob quick colony and Luther King's number it are you there I think we i. I think we lost. We lost randy hung up on us. Oh I Haley. I'm very very sorry there. You have it none. Your Business that was from Ra happy holidays too do and that was a moment where we add a ton of questions was that for real did randy is is randy. Really that mean that poor girl. My Christmas is ruined. People were very upset about Randy Bailey. Hang up on Haley strong and that was a iconic moment. That happened in the early days of rob as a podcast. So that was that was twenty thirteen. That was the end of twenty thirteen. That's what was going on on the podcast in December of two thousand thirteen and my personal life that I was once again in transition Starting back in the fall of twenty twelve that my work life had really started to to pick up once again. I'd like to say that I you know I'm able to be employed by a whole number of people but that I had just you know the the same people that I would continually work with. And when they you know found work they would hire me and then when they We're out of work. Then I would end up being at work too so back in two thousand twelve than the producer who had initially brought brought me all the way out to Los Angeles to work with him that he started up a new new company that he was trying to you get funding in and I was. I was working for him. And you know that things were starting to build up build up and I was working more and more or but also still you know very focused on making the podcasting work. There was a moment in two thousand thirteen in where I started doing. podcasts with Teo Owens and I was it was a little bit of a conflict flicked because I said hey I I have this great opportunity to podcast with Teo. And they're like well. Yeah you work for us and I was like well. We a a comeback. My hours that and so I ended up taking a a lesser position at the company. So I would have more time time to be able to work on the PODCAST and it was. You know a wild one season run of podcasting with Tarallo ends ends and Alonzo on time out with Te'o for a now defunct podcast network. But that's a story for another time and so but by the end of two thousand thirteen this company was going to end up being defunct and I was going to be laid eight off once again and I was really in this. You know tenuous position where the podcast was making some money. We were you know we had. Some sponsors of people would use our link for Amazon Dot Com and so the puck is making some money but not enough for me to like have like a you know a family married and I have a child now and so I was really sort of. I felt like caught in the middle of. Hey I've got the podcast and it's going great and people really love. I actually was able to put a lot of time into the podcast since I really started taking it seriously over these last couple of years but I it's not it's not enough enough to be able to support myself so I I don't know what to do but in terms of like if even if I could find a job who's going to hire me if I have all these other things going on on the side and so I ended up sort of making a decision with Nicole to say in the beginning of two thousand fourteen of okay. Let's let's go all in on doing the podcast asked. And I think I have an idea of how we're going to be able to do this and I'm going to do rob has a podcast full-time and and here's my plan. And I laid this out on the podcast for the first time in a episode of the podcast called Twenty five questions from the rob has a podcast community. Part Three on January third twenty fourteen. Twenty fourteen is a huge year in the history of rob has a podcast. Here is a clip from that episode about fifteen minutes and that leads me to so These two things are connected Before I found out about being Let go at my day job again. Not for performance performance of the route. That sucks was department. I guy that yes okay I had been in contact with a company called Patriae on and it's. Pat Are and what they are are a company that does it's like kickstarter but the difference between in them and kickstarter is that kick started like what we do with reality. Game Masters was crowd funding for projects. And basically if you had a project like reality Game Masters Sisters. Hey we need whatever to do. This Patriot is for content. Creators like podcasters like web video creators like musicians and artists and stuff like that who have a fan base. Who if they want to support them they can make a contribution based on per episode so and so The guys patriotic talked me through exactly how it would work and I went ahead and we are now setup on rob as podcast four. You're patriots so what we are asking for is if you'd like to contribute to rob has a podcast and you know help keep The the pipe working and going and help make it happen. I would love it if you would go into the link Rob Has has website dot com slash. A Patriot I did a four minute video. Basically laying all of this out and what the contribution we're looking for is if you want to contribute attribute a quarter a podcast twenty five cents to podcasts couch cushions. I do about four podcasts. A week it's about it's a dollar a week. Okay if you're if you're you were into that if you'd like to help make a contribution we very much would appreciate it if you don't want to make a contribution or you don't financially. It's not something something that is interesting to you right now. That's cool to nothing will change. Everything is going to be exactly the same. We're just offering the opportunity I used to be able. I used to Make a big deal more about People wanted to send a contribution via pay pal but People would send people a Mug. But it's it's really very difficult. The shipping is really a pain and he's a one man show over into one man show it's really It it turns out to be a lot of work this ship out a lot of mugs so I patriot. I have some incentives on there. I'm not going to spend a lot of time on it now. But if you WANNA check it out go to Rob as a website dot com slash patriot. If you can't spell that you could also rob has has a website dot com slash patron and. There's a banner in the SIDEBAR. So if you want to check that out we we appreciate it. Okay big big stop. Nicole fulltime I'm podcasters feels weird to say that very scary so if you wanna go on survivor again. You're occupation would be cast. That's right that's right and maybe I'll ask if they can give you a link Hashtag R. J. P. Your twitter. Sure so I'd like to think we fine tuned the pitch a little little bit since then and would that was very short. Lived where we were getting into like quarters per podcast because people were like. Hey just like just make make it be the same every month so I don't I don't WanNa be charged like three seventy five one month and then six twenty five the next month so pair pair. We ended up going with a flat rate by the month shortly thereafter. But that was it that was I. put it out into the world fulltime podcast. Or you know. Let's keep this thing going and I was overwhelmed by the response then and I continue to be overwhelmed. The response to this day that this amazing community has when when you know when it was a time when I was the the future of the podcast was very much uncertain that people answered the call and said Yeah that this means a lot to me. I WANNA make sure I want to do what I can and to help. Keep it going. And the ROB has a podcast patron community was born and it blew my mind then and still continues to blow my mind because the the patron community especially the patron thanks book community which we started the facebook group. At that time in I think it was in Ja- inr surely thereafter within been like a week of that podcast in January of twenty fourteen and the the facebook group became a place where people got to to really know each other and that it's sort of like really crystallized to me. You know what rob has a podcast is you know it's it's it's nonsense and it's talking about shows but hopefully there is a shared passion and a sensibility and there are so many people that listen to this podcast because they all really enjoy watching talking about the same shows in so many view that I've talked to over these years that you may not have anybody that or maybe only one or two people that are in your life in your real life that you can talk to and nerd out about this kind of thing with and we have this whole community of people built built around this shared idea of you know fun around these types of shows and so we're we're able to bring all these people together and I really been very fortunate with the community that we've built with because I I've said this before you know I didn't go out and recruit these people that The people found me and I'm very lucky that very nice people found this community and I think that we have been able to have a shared. Message passage of positivity and not being terrible to one another and it's been very inspiring for me to be around all of these people in our facebook groups and facebook. I found that you know from when we started the podcast. Twenty he ten to twenty twenty. I found facebook and social media. Be a very different place and I feel like that we have done for the most part art a good job of where the only reason I ever really look at my facebook is to do anything with the robins podcasts the Patriot community. And I think that we've kept it from being not toxic place as opposed to much of the rest of your timeline can be on facebook and I think that you know it is very exciting for me to see people. Oh you know getting along and and we're excited about the same things because as people who are fans of these shows like if we if we can't get along what chance does the rest of the world have so I've been so proud of the community that we've built over the podcast and especially in the a patron world over these last six years strong going back to when I made that first initial pitch back in twenty fourteen and and you know it makes me so happy as well that we've brought all these people together. There's a patron baby there's There are patron the wedding in the works. There are a lot of patron couples and there are just countless friendships of people all around around the world who have been brought together and it's not just only on on Patriots on tap on social media but it's just been so incredible incredible for me to see how many people lean have come together around this podcast of me for the most part just talking by myself self in a room that there have been connections formed around this. which is I think just You know we talk about dumb stuff on this show but it makes me really happy that there has been a real things that happened outside of this room that have have been in some way put into motion by talking about nonsense on on this podcast and that is A really big thrill of what I get to do but twenty fourteen two thousand fourteen year. What a year for rob has a podcast took the opposite worlds. Got To talk about that if you don't know what that is that that's that's worth a google opposite worlds. We also at this point in time. Remember I talked about Antonio and Josh and we said Hey you know what let's let's break this whole scripted thing off. This should be its own thing and post show. RECAPS was born and so for for the spring season of the walking dead and four spring season. Four of game of thrones post show. recaps was born the scripted TV arm of ROB has a podcast from Rob Cicirino and Josh wiggins and continues to thrive to this day. Yea But twenty fourteen. The story of twenty four team would not be complete without the inclusion of survivor. Cocky on what what is an important Korten season for the history of rob has a podcast for For a number of different reasons one spencer blood cell was on the podcasts which I do believe other than the people that had played in that I think was the first person who was a listener of the podcast. who was somebody who went out on the show? It was such a great cast. It was such a great season and we got to meet for the very first time Mr Tony Vlachos and Tony is returning to survivor here of coming in winners at war and so I could do you know easily. Five great moments from rob has a podcast all about Tony but let me just jump ahead to one one in particular which happens to come from. Probably I would think kids. You've never done any sort of poll like this from. Maybe the greatest episode of Rob has a podcast in its history from May fifth. Twenty twenty fourteen Cochran was the recap guest on. The podcast came to my house. We talked about the WLAC Goes Sitcom about the number of things The winners of John Cochran sat in a previous apartment and talked about things. Cochran would would would come back in two thousand seventeen and he said to me that day. Okay I'll do the once every three years every three years. I'll come. I'm on the podcast to talk about. That was in twenty seventeen in two thousand seventeen. You said every every three years I will join you for a recap podcast. Last said back in twenty seventeen as we approach. We are kicking off our podcasting here in twenty twenty every time Tony only plays. I think that's when we hear from Cochran but I will actually play for you from the second part of the podcast now a for new listeners. who used to recap podcast? And then you get separate podcasts. That's the feedback show. I used to do it all in one one long podcast and I would talk with. Maybe maybe two guests in the same podcast and it would be very long very lengthy podcast. The we ended up splitting that up for millennials versus Gen X.. I'm not sure I I gotta look when exactly. We split the podcast into to but at the time of John It was it was all one and so- Nicole Sister Nino was the guest for the feedback and we talked about Tony. lakos learning to speak Llama. Let me play for you from. Perhaps the greatest episode arrives podcast of All Time May fifth twenty fourteen. Here is the first lady a podcast. This is inappropriate quote or anything like that but I I wanted to talk Lama. So let's let me just. I don't play some clips for you so last night. Here was Tony Tony and he gave us this sound clip. I'm sorry I don't Lamma. I'm supposed to be ZAC back. Was it to camels back or the lambs back. What's Lamma Rama? Emma you want me to talk Lambeth Guy. Oh my God I think I almost my pants last night when I was watching that you loved it I did. I loved it loved it. I don't understand why he picked Lamma. Yeah I know it's too late in the day for this but I really wish that we could've done a song a song today. What does the Lamma say? ooh That is the best thing. You've done all season. Terrible right so then tribal council. Then we were talking about this a- and Tony what happened back at camp and he said this so hyped. Talk to like I'm an animal. Suicide is actually my favorite little punctuate everything it should you know we did Tony Ringtone. I think I WANNA make by text heck's messages and hopefully a please so I think I won't do that I'm GonNa say I will set my phone to that all right. We'll we'll we'll get that up on Robin's website dot com slash. Tony the Tony Message notification go. We had Aniko on the ropes. That day with the Tony Sound Effects. I'll tell somebody great soundbites from Tony in that season and of course the one that got a ton of play also also was the of course this one from Tony. I needed this. Oh from the Premiere Episode of Survivor. John Tony gave us so much he he would go on to win that season. And what a what a first season to kick off the ROB has a guess Patriae on we had had so much going on in the spring of twenty fourteen as well I would begin. podcasting thing about a show called last comic standing with Mr Mike Bloom the first time I would do a weekly podcast with Mike Bloom about anything on the network Shortly after I was also I was also podcasting about Whatever the latest the final Kiefer Sutherland version of twenty four with Josh Wig Ler and I was podcasting so much about scripted? Shows shows with Josh wigger at that point in time that we decided to. Hey I have done. A couple of these audiobooks works with Stephen. Fishbach is closing in on the thirtieth season of survivor. And I'd like to go back and rewatch every we season of survivor. And turn that into an audio book to track. How the strategy of survivor has evolved from season? One all all the way through season forty or thirty at that point and even though it's only season twenty eight and I want to go back and watch all of these seasons and I'd ask Joe Mr Joshua Glare if he would be up for that sort of thing and he said absolutely he's the only person that was crazy enough that would begin a journey like like that. The journey of thousand miles began with a with a single step and that was rewatch of survivor. Borneo and so oh it was a top secret project. Nobody knew we were doing it. But back in towards the end of June of twenty fourteen Josh and I also began again recording the evolution of strategy and also I told you two thousand fourteen was one one hell of a year. I had gotten an any mail from a man by the name of keep away in occur in two thousand fourteen and he wrote to me and he said Hey. I see that you started started a website podcast about scripted TV. And I want to propose a podcast. A rewatch of the TV show Seinfeld. And I said I think that's crazy. Maybe let's let's just some maybe just the best episodes because you know there's a lot but there's a lot of a lot of not great takes a long time to build up and we talked about what we were going to do and we said okay. Let's maybe podcast. I guess the first season to warm up and you know that's how these things go we start. And then it's hard to stop and in June June of two thousand fourteen. Also the Seinfeld post show recap was born as well and in the summer of twenty fourteen. There was another huge milestone. That ended up happening that we for the very first time launched a network of reality. TV podcasts casts that were not hosted by rob sister Nina. Now we had already started post show recaps which was going to be scripted. PODCASTS that were sometimes times hosted by me but a lot of other times hosted by other people but we had an idea for a podcast network to cover shows that I would not personally watching that would also cater to the rob has a podcast audience and so we ended up launching a network which would end up having to new shows coming up in that summer of two thousand fourteen and I ended up launching this with Scott saint-pierre who has been with me since twenty twelve. Who reached out to me? who was a listener? WHO said Hey I would love to see if there are any ways that I can help you out behind the scenes on on that and Scott has done so many great things behind the scenes to be able to make so many of these different podcasts? Happen and we ended ended up Partnering Together to Bring Reality. TV Rahat POPs into the world. We ended up launching to wrap OPS that summer we ended up starting the bachelor and Bachelorette Ra- happe- podcast with Haley. Strong fresh off of her appearance with Randy Handy and amy and then we launch the challenge. PERHAP- up with Allie last year and Brian Cohen. And those two shows with those zig. Same exact have continued on on reality. TV perhaps to this day the summer of two thousand fourteen also involved podcasting about big brother. Sixteen we also were podcasting about a show called the quest with Kirk Clark which believe you've amazingly is going to defy the Clark curse and then is going to be returning to on Disney plus for a reboot. I don't know if that counts as the second and season but maybe could defy the Clark curse if anybody could do it. It was Those those magical people from the quest but in the fall of two thousand fourteen. We're GONNA have another survivor season to talk about and this would be survivor. San Juan del Sur season that on the heels heels of survivor blood vs water. They love the blood versus water format so much they said Hey. Let's try it with New People. Although they were not all new to us there were a pair of twins that Jessica lease and I had talked about. What's about nine the twenties who earlier in two thousand fourteen I believe had flamed? Flamed out on the All Star edition of the amazing race but they were back and we were ready for a fun ride in in survivor. San Juan del Sur survivors San. Juan del Sur was the first season where I was able to use the soundboard word software and we had a ton of clips from survivor. San Juan del Sur that we ended up playing a lot such as so basically. I'm a bad ass and we heard this. I'm on me collector and we heard a lot from Baylor and her mom which was shut your mouth hummy from MRI. I heard. What is Martin? Think though there's Muffin and of course I heard a lot about the hit. Single from Baylor Wilson. Aw Yeah Roger that of course That also Baylor Wilson and we're known for they were GONNA do a contest. where if you had a birthday party they were show? Yeah that's right so a ton of great stuff that came aim at of survivor. San Juan del Sur. And maybe we'll even get a chance to use this one for season forty aseren survivor. San Juan del Sur also is important for a couple of other reasons that in October of twenty twenty four teen. We'd been doing the survivor. Know it alls for a couple of seasons but for the very first time we decided to attempt to do the survivor. Know it alls live. And that is what Stephen and fish back attempted. I flew to New York and we got together in the basement of the Gotham comedy club. In front of a capacity crowd of seventy five people in the basement of of the Gotham Comedy Club. Here is the first ever live know-it-alls from October second twenty twenty fourteen as we are introduced by the Great Randy Rice guys super breaking down like the game a million times. What actually they didn't really really win the game at all survived knowing knowing annoying of ood dot the game of me out the know it all the? Oh my God randy rights give it up. One more time we hold on hold on Steven wants to have a microphone that you can hear him on now. This was not into contract first off. What's up Gotham Comedy Club? Welcome to our live survivor. Know it all here with Steven Fish back and we hear him yet. Hello hello all right thank you. We had a capacity crowd here tonight so very excited we just finished watching survivor. -Vivor about four minutes ago. I have no idea what happened to you. Guys have any idea what we just saw here. Something's yes it wasn't even the volume I I really don't even understand what happens steven now. Show up in my town rob walk. We walk me through this negotiation standpoint wraps up in New York podcast. Yeah my life is fine right right. Oh my God okay so we got so much to get through a crazy crazy night. It's a a lot of people here cheering for John. rocker right. No my God. Oh my God. Yeah that's right that's right no heckling no heckling during the show. Please John John Rocker's like the Crystal Barnes of this season. He can't win anything except like rock paper scissors. That's right rock paper scissors. Yeah all right so we're gonNA talk through everything. We had a crazy tribal council at Tivat. Also all sorts of shenanigans crazy play on the part of Val crazier replay on the part of John Rocker. So a lot to do here on know it alls era in front of you guys in a few surprises to along the way but I love Stephen. How's everything good? I'm great. This is so cool. I thank you for doing. This is so exciting. Thank you all for everyone. WHO's here like I'm incredibly touched and move excited and for everyone? Who's listening at home afterwards? I'm really disappointed. A lot of people wanted V. here but this is the select few that we're able to get in the show sold out real quick and these are the people that were early. Movers fast moving. I know it all on October. Second Twenty fourteen. It was the season I in survivor. San Juan del Sur. Because a rob's podcasts institution was born born and that came when we got the chance to talk with Mr Bryce Isaiah for the first time time on a Pike I did it exit interview with him but then price Isaiah join me for the feedback show which was on my birthday October twentieth twenty fourteen gene. And what a great birthday to me because Bryce I got to be I got to ask a question that I would ask him. Many daytimes over the years back on October. Twentieth Twenty Fourteen. Let's say one last voicemail. This is one is from Austin fine question for Bryce so brace. WHO's the freak freak of this season dot dot DOT CA agree with A? That's not me either to your fans are calling in and play and play in your song over the phone. They are playing a free day gift. Freaky they're getting freaky. We Are we cooling in Freaky freaky the season so but I don't know that that's a hard one I might have to go with my boy day tale. Why because his twitter handle is act farmboys sixty fifty nine listen? SF freaky twitter and okay. The freaky started day. You never know you never for you. Dale shout Out To say you'd never know the day. Oh you never know break. Classes are getting topic. Yeah he's going to break his glasses all week all week and as a Hammond B me. Okay okay I don't even have to see. Oh my God who was it because his twitter is farmboys that really. You'RE GONNA say why I mean I when I saw that I pretty. Yeah Oh my God oh wait hold. On bryce I have I have a correction. Dale's twitter is not farm boy sixty nine. That is that wrong. I have that wrong. It is farm guy sixty nine nine farm guy fee. Now shout out. My nine came back and just like that. The freaky EST freak was born shoutout. Tau Farm guys sixty nine. The inaugural freaky is freak back on October twentieth. Twenty fourteen it was a historic orrick. Season on rob has a podcast. There was a double episode of survivor episodes number. I believe eleven and twelve of survivors. San Juan del Sur Tyson. Apostol join us for that episode of the podcast and it was a historic episode of the PODCAST. Because it was a rob as a podcast record that still stands to this day four hours eleven minutes and thirty four seconds ends with Tyson Apostle it is not the post show recaps record. It is not the Patriot guys record and it is not the reality. TV perhaps Schreker. But it is the ROB has a podcast record. That Tyson Apostle holds on the longest podcast of all time time and I do not want to just turn over that right well. I'm not really crazy to another. You know this could be though. Look at my watch. We're closing in. But now Tyson's record four eleven thirty four Tyson overload on a San Juan del Sur double episode Recap App in addition to everything that was going on with survivor. San Juan del Sur. And Ultimately Natalie Anderson going on to win that season and very excited to see her return to the show here in winners at war. We had a lot more going on in the fall of twenty fourteen. In addition to the one one thousand episode of Rob as a podcast on November Fourth of twenty fourteen. We also spent a lot of time or not as much time as we would've liked talking about a show known as Utopia with Kirk Clark and the Clark curse would strike again in the highlights from two thousand episode. We went back and listen to. Where are the bees jake? I highly recommend that that clip. I'm trying to fight the impulse to go back and turn this into a full on clip show at this point but let me just very quickly as as we're talking about Utopia let's make one last brand new start with the Utopia theme song. Yeah shout out to For the brand new START UTOPIA POPA shoutout to do poly-amorous Decker and read and the Doomsday. Prep for lady and Jake Jake and the bees and of course Kirk Clark. What a year twenty fourteen was on rob has podcast one of the one of the great ones but as the calendar would turn to twenty fifteen a lot of stuff wou