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The Good Fight
"josh foley" Discussed on The Good Fight
"Flare. the is and it's very hard to recognize the perspective of somebody who disdains him. But that's both a sense of humor. A kind of alaska atmosphere and oddly joyous nece in his public persona is of bitterness and anger as well but but the is a sense of sort of the fund the joy of challenging the structures that be having one of the things that's missing and his imitators bat. it's sort of all of the nastiness without the sort of joy that he gives his supporters even as he ripe horrifies everybody else his rallies to me you're like you know professional wrestling event and it's not an accident because he comes from that kind of world of entertainment and has participated in a lot of world wrestling events. And so he's the perfect. He'll who fans still adore and that's halt trope in american professional wrestling and another podcast earlier. This year. I said you know there's no amount of pork rinds. That are gonna turn ted cruz. You know who went to princeton and harvard or josh foley who went to stanford and yale into authentic populace they themselves are elitists who are masquerading as populace. So i do think it makes a difference whether trump actually runs again in right. Now it's looking to me like he will run and so a lot will depend on legal system. Does he get indicted. How tied up in litigation as he in defending both criminal and civil cases and you know does that cause him to trim sale somewhat or not but if he runs you know the polling suggests he'll be formidable he'll win the nation wide you think about this prospects in general election and does bad depend on his sons in his appeal or does that depend in part on. The food is opponent with joe biden. Oh somebody else. And how many successes democrats have shown themselves will help me. Mistakes ago to make the news. Yeah what my fear is. Is that by twenty four There might be about inflation that could be very damaging president biden's prospects reelection or cameras man. I think effectively. it's either gonna be biden's harris. I don't think there's much chance at another democrat would emerge. If biden doesn't mind. It would be incredibly hot for anybody to win a primary election against come in the house. I agree and so. I've been having this debate with my son. Actually who's twenty seven and using i. It doesn't matter. And i said no. You only think that because you've never actually lived through a period of inflation and we've had very low inflation in the united states for forty years and it can be extremely corrosive. I think would be very corrosive that i would be very concerned about. Trump's chances right now. His polling nationally doesn't look very good minutes being like sixty six percent saying they don't want him to run again nationally not republicans obviously but a lot can change and when you're governing. You're alienating voters that's just the nature of the beast so my concern is it's not even whether trump could win the popular vote. I think he would almost certainly lose it but the question is by how much in in what states i mean that's one thing we've seen. Republicans ought to be very concerned by the fact that they haven't won the popular vote for president since nineteen eighty eight saved once in two thousand four when george w bush was reelected and then it was still pretty close. Think he went by three million votes. That's remarkable is somehow hadn't folded on the fact that they haven't won the popular would since nineteen eighty. Eight will be exception of two thousand four. That's remarkable about politics. I want to shift a little bit to some of the stakes for democracy. The united states around the world one thing. I'm still struggling to make sense of this. How much damage. Donald trump did ultimately do to democracy around the world. I think his actions were horrifying. The fact that he was clearly on the side of overtime popular psychic all bond in hungary is very close to render promoting india was damaging the certain circumstantial evidence bet democracy has been impacted by now the deepest democratic recession. Twenty twenty was worse than be as before. But i guess how much at this point doesn't matter who. The president of the united states is full. The fate of democracy around the world and how different would was four or five years have looked in countries like hungary like india or for that matter in turkey. We will embassador in the past. If we'd ended up with president clinton in two thousand sixteen so interesting counterfactual. I've not quite sure whether it would or wouldn't have been very different. I mean i think one thing would have been different. Which is there would have been at least somewhat. More of an emphasis on both uman rights violations in places will certainly like turkey but also more support in general for the rule of law and for institutions like central european university. A place like hungary which played an important role not just in hungary but in central europe more. Broadly is i think there would have been certainly some differences whether those differences would have only been marginal or whether they would have amounted to something that changed the trajectory of the democratic recession. As you were saying. I think is a much harder question to answer because i think the democratic recession is rooted in a lot of structural causes that it's not very easy for one president to reverse or change. I be interested in your reaction but to me this global democratic recession. There's some things that you and some of your co-authors of pointed to with regard to the general decline in appreciation globally of the importance of things like free speech and other formal elements of democracy. I'm not quite sure why that is. It may be the success of democracy which then gets taken for granted. I haven't been able to figure out how slain that. But i think there are other factors that run a little bit deeper. There are the unequal distribution of economic gains from globalization which is certainly occurred here in the united states but also in various other societies. It has fueled in some sense some understandable economic resentments. Although i think the economic resentments have not been the real driver of this. It's been more. I think the cultural elements here which have been brought to the fore by things like greater global immigration some of which has been brought about by in the eu different institutional changes were made to facilitate the at but also because of conflicts around the world and climate change which driven waves of immigration from sub saharan africa but also from conflict regions in the middle east from afghanistan all the.
The Good Fight
"josh foley" Discussed on The Good Fight
"Who seemed to want this politics of grievance that seems to dominate today. I don't think that's dominant in the republican conference. For instance in either the senate or the house but there are unfortunately all too many members and both the house and senate who will maintain a judicious silence in the face of this vociferous element of the party which i would say probably is in the vicinity of maybe forty percent of republican voters. So it's not trivial. So i like to think of myself as not being illusions about how easy this will be and i think it will be a long struggle. I don't think it's going to get resolved in one election cycle or two election cycles. I do think it will be a decade at least before the party can exercise itself of these sources. I think in the first instance what has to happen. Is that republicans like liz. Cheney and adam. Kim zinger need to win their primaries and get reelected to office. There has to be a successful descent wing of the party upon which those of us who want to move past trumpism can build. That's not a given for both of them and others then. I think one of the things that probably has to happen is republicans have to go through some cycles. Losing elections to me one of the worst things would be if they go into the twenty two cycle and they win the house and the senate while denying that what happened on january. Six thousand insurrection against democracy and not really addressing the major issues in front of the country. But purely on. Dr seuss mr potato head and the other symbolic grievances issues. That performance of politics of grievance that. They've embraced if that's seen as a winning formula than it's going to make this process longer and harder to win. I mean the other possibility. I think is at some point. The party fractures men. And if you look at american political history which is something i actually in my misspent youth and graduate school spent a lot of time doing and have recently gone back to studying the eighteen forty to eighteen sixty period at which doesn't have a happy ending as you know you know it took about a decade for the whig party to fragment and the republican party and the democratic party to fragment into a free soil wing which then coalesced into the modern republican party that elected abraham lincoln the problem with that scenario which in some ways might be the most attractive scenario is that our policy is not as malleable as it was in the eighteen forties. Seventy years after the country was established. It's much more routinization bureaucratized. Now and the two parties really have a monopoly. On the political system as you said the obstacles and terms of ballot access et cetera are really considerable. But if it were to happen you would have to have. I think a large group of current republican officeholders. Who would want to break away and probably some on the democratic side as well who were concerned about some of the things i've mentioned earlier. The kind of joe manchin kristen cinema types who might then coalesce to create another party. But again i think there are considerable obstacles to that happening and i think it's less likely yeah. I think it's hard to prove that. Scenario one points favor perhaps that we've seen similar surprising transformations in other countries. I mean certainly parties with assistance proportional representation where two parties used to get eighty eighty five percents of the vote between them. Those are now down to fifty forty. Sometimes fifty percent of good between them and in a country like france which should be swiss presidential elections had a kind of two party system some more institutional way to get third candidate through. Because of second round run-off you had the rise of like minor mccollum who compete the obliterated traditional party system. So the some evidence that does something about fluidity of social media and visiting ideological realignments are going on at the moment. Did nothing but loss of sociological base off traditional political parties. But i suppose makes it seemed like a more realistic. Possibly ben would have been for much of american history. But i agree by remains very unlikely. The you know much more about this yashar than i do. And you've written so much about the democratic recession than some of these phenomena that we're talking about. I do know a little bit about france and a little bit about italy because i actually wrote my doctoral dissertation on. Us italian relations. So i have some outing with in politics but is it really the case in france. Let's just use that as an example that for the french the way they voted in the election was as much a part of their identity as it appears to be in polling in the united states. I mean if you look at some of the polling that pew has done over the last several years in which people say things like. I'd rather have my son or daughter. Marry someone from another religion than another political party that strikes me as somewhat different than my friends and colleagues in france who might have voted for the past but vote for macron now or someone who might have voted for christian democrats in italy but then voted for fourth italia berlusconi ran or something. It doesn't seem to me to be quite as much a part of identity in europe as it does appear to have become in the united states. I don't think it will always. I think that's a good question implicitly. point i guess i would save it. But it was a moment in european history. That was the case but bets went. Political pod is much much sociologically. Based so i think even in germany which is never as deeply divided society in the postwar era whether you voted for the social democrats christian democrats did come from deep set of identity. Marcus of whether you're walking class of bourgeois nod. We'll giftedness motown or a big town. Those extra collisions by always a little bit mecom than they seem Always for example Sort of liberal bourgeoisie. Who voted for democrats in those always. Conservative welker who voted for christian democrats. But nevertheless i think it was a deep question of identity back that is old eroded and of course i was in certain ways to true in the united states in the past. But if you're an irish on italian emmett would vote for. The democratic party is a medal of course. And if you sort so small businessman businessman in small town in america. You would republican party as a matter. Of course those realities have also dissolved. But you're right. That american politics is in the forefront of a reporter reservation where suddenly you have an equally strong even deeper loyalty to one political party but it is not based on the same kind of sociological. Took the same kind of class things as it was in poznan. I guess one of the questions as is this positive partisanship or negative partisanship. And perhaps a third party might have away in as if it was just hatred of yavapai. Perhaps it will verticals party if it's positive partnership as well if it's no. I actually have a deep density as a democrat progressive democrat. Who as a trump republican. Ben third party. Is that in the water so i don't know how you feel about that. That's an interesting question. It's probably needs some actual research as you were speaking. I was thinking of course. Communist party identity was very strong. That was not just a go to the ballotbox in cast a ballot. That was a lifestyle choice in a lot of ways. And that's why the french communist party was always regarded as a party not like the others because it was very much wrapped up in its own alternative culture really at all sorts of festivals that people went to and the same in italy infested looney taught. Which was you know when i started going to invalid. Ninety s still a big thing right so it's an interesting question because i can argue at round or flat. I suspect that at least for the trump kind of vote a lot of it is negative. Partisanship it's why you see so much of you know. The boning lives kind of performance stuff on social media along politicians. Like ted cruz and josh foley who are vying for the mantle of trumpism. I guess the thing that i think is it. Oh if trump really is ultimately removed and this is one reason why i really wish he had been successfully convicted in the second impeachment because that would have barred him from running for office. And i do worry now that there is a reasonable chance you might make some kind of comeback and we might want to talk about what happens if he does. Because i think the twenty four election if he's running in is going to be way more dangerous than twenty election for a whole variety of reasons. We can talk about but if he was excluded from it. I think that all of these wannabes for the most part in the republican party the people vying for the mantle of trumpism are not going to be able to pull it off. I mean i do think trump is sort of sui generous in that sense in part as much as i despise him. He actually has a stick and he makes it entertaining. None of ted cruz. Josh hawley might on peyot tom. Cotton none of these guys have.